| 00:00.06 | eldowan | JordiGH: why is that? |
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| 00:00.26 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: you only want the clear lock... add control, bit though. |
| 00:00.39 | JordiGH | eldowan: Because it doesn't give you any kind of security if what you really want to do is destroy data, and if you just want to reformat a hard drive, you only need to delete a partition, not spend time zeroing out the whole thing. |
| 00:00.53 | dondelelcaro | (well, unless you're like me and you only want a single shift key and need mod4 and some other wierd things) |
| 00:00.55 | JordiGH | Er, a partition table. |
| 00:00.56 | docta_v | is there an easy way i can disable package authentication in apt for a custom repo |
| 00:00.57 | en1gma | but can someone tell me the command to do 4 at the same time cause waiting for 4 drives that are 250gig each to sequentially do it is a real long time |
| 00:01.09 | robin_sz | eldowan, becuase even after 'zeroing' data can be read |
| 00:01.11 | JordiGH | en1gma: Don't do it. It's dumb. |
| 00:01.12 | docta_v | it looks like there's a way to do it in apt.conf.d but i can't find docs |
| 00:01.20 | simonrvn | mr. emacs talking ^^^ :P |
| 00:01.20 | en1gma | ive done it lots of times before |
| 00:01.23 | en1gma | but only 1 at a time |
| 00:01.26 | simonrvn | j/k :) |
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| 00:01.38 | simonrvn | i'm getting to like it more, myself |
| 00:01.46 | JordiGH | simonrvn: I'll let High Priest His GNUliness himself know about your blasphemies, infidel. |
| 00:01.49 | eldowan | en1gma: use different VTs |
| 00:01.50 | robin_sz | en1gma, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda & disown |
| 00:01.51 | togtogtog | dondelelcaro: thanks, it works. `aptitude reinstall PACKAGE` respected the K. |
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| 00:02.00 | robin_sz | repeat for other drives |
| 00:02.02 | simonrvn | JordiGH: go right ahead, see if i care ;) |
| 00:02.13 | en1gma | i would wrathe just have 1 term open |
| 00:02.29 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: Hmm, I changed my keycode 66 line to be like yours - but it didn't have any effect whatsoever. |
| 00:02.30 | bzed | en1gma: it works as you've pasted up there, you could add an & at the end, though |
| 00:02.33 | JordiGH | en1gma: Background them. But I insist it's dumb to zero out drives. |
| 00:02.40 | robin_sz | or hit ctrlz and bg |
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| 00:02.48 | en1gma | so if anyone can help it would be great AND also someone the other day told me about dd having some kind of option that lets you see a progress indicator |
| 00:02.51 | bzed | en1gma: but it still makes no sense. if you want to delete your data in a secure way, use wipe |
| 00:03.06 | eldowan | or shred? |
| 00:03.08 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: you're using X, right? And you included the clear lock, keycode, and add control lines, right? |
| 00:03.15 | en1gma | i didnt know bash had a wipe command |
| 00:03.23 | robin_sz | bash doesnt |
| 00:03.27 | robin_sz | Linux does |
| 00:03.33 | en1gma | well those wipes and shreds write zeros |
| 00:03.37 | en1gma | its a low level format |
| 00:03.45 | robin_sz | no, |
| 00:03.46 | bzed | no |
| 00:03.51 | JordiGH | eldowan: shred is probably a bit safer than zeroing out the hard drive, but takes at least twenty times as much time and it's still theoretically not very secure. The only secure way to destroy data is to destroy all the media it's in. |
| 00:03.53 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: No - those were after the line in yours, so I assumed they weren't neccessary. Also, I'm not using "control", but 'Control_L' |
| 00:04.06 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: they're before that line, actually. |
| 00:04.25 | robin_sz | en1gma, its pretty trivial to read the orginal dat off a 'zeroed' drive |
| 00:04.31 | en1gma | im not really worried about the data being destroyed i just want all zeros to fix any bad sectors or anything like that |
| 00:04.39 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: you need everyting from clear lock to the first add control |
| 00:04.40 | robin_sz | eh? |
| 00:04.44 | JordiGH | en1gma: This isn't the way to fix bad sectors. |
| 00:04.54 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: You only have clear lock before that line. The original file I was using was mapping it to backspace, so I actually literally just replaced "BackSpace" with Control_L as my original attempt. |
| 00:04.59 | robin_sz | OK, who has a cluebat handy? |
| 00:05.08 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: What does the 'add control' do? |
| 00:05.21 | en1gma | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda & dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb & dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc & dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd <<<< does not work for some reason |
| 00:05.22 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: it tells the system that Control_L is actually a control key. |
| 00:05.34 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: otherwise it's just a key with the keysym Control_L |
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| 00:06.14 | bzed | en1gma: what does it do? |
| 00:06.21 | bzed | en1gma: and what's the output? |
| 00:06.28 | JordiGH | en1gma: Stubborn, aren't you? Anyways, type the first line, ending with an ampersand, then <ENTER>, up-arrow, edit the line, <ENTER>, and so on. |
| 00:06.38 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: YAY!!! Thanks! :) |
| 00:06.43 | bzed | JordiGH: that should work in one line, too |
| 00:06.49 | en1gma | CPU1:/# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda & dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb & dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc & dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd |
| 00:06.49 | en1gma | [1] 13199 |
| 00:06.49 | en1gma | [2] 13200 |
| 00:06.49 | en1gma | [3] 13201 |
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| 00:07.04 | bzed | JordiGH: see, ti works, as I said |
| 00:07.27 | JordiGH | bzed: Worked better than I thought. en1gma got the boot. ;-) |
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| 00:07.35 | en1gma | did you get that |
| 00:07.36 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: man xmodmap; while you're at it to see what you just did. the output of xmodmap -pm; would have clued you in earlier to what was going on |
| 00:07.38 | bzed | en1gma: don;t paste stuff here. but it just works fine |
| 00:07.51 | en1gma | i thought 4 paste lines was fine |
| 00:07.54 | bzed | en1gma: dunno where your problem is. you have 3 processes in the abckground, running... and one in the foreground |
| 00:07.56 | JordiGH | en1gma: It's working fine. The output you see is the job number associated with PID. |
| 00:08.15 | docta_v | is there an easy way i can disable package authentication in apt for a custom repo |
| 00:08.15 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: Let's just say I've finally grokked the system :) |
| 00:08.19 | en1gma | so its not waiting for each one to finish to go onto the next one? |
| 00:08.23 | bzed | no |
| 00:08.24 | JordiGH | en1gma: Yeah, after you paste the fourth line, you get kicked. ;-) |
| 00:08.30 | en1gma | :) |
| 00:08.50 | en1gma | ok gonna run that command then (with there was some kind of pregress indicator as it takes forever) |
| 00:08.50 | JordiGH | docta_v: Yeah, sign the packages in the custom repo, if it's yours. |
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| 00:09.03 | en1gma | with = wish |
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| 00:09.14 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: Now all I need to do is figure out how the heck to do this in windows... |
| 00:09.16 | JordiGH | en1gma: Maybe if I find a webpage somewhere that tells you this is a dumb thing to do you'll believe me... |
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| 00:09.34 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: Complete with a "toggle" command or program to revert to the 'normal' layout. |
| 00:09.44 | Arafangion | (So others can use it) |
| 00:09.44 | en1gma | JordiGH have you noticed you are the only way saying its dumb |
| 00:09.56 | en1gma | and about 3-4 other ppl gave me the dd command just in this channel |
| 00:09.58 | robin_sz | en1gma, no, I said it was dumb too |
| 00:10.03 | en1gma | that dont include the ##linux channel |
| 00:10.21 | en1gma | JordiGH what can it hurt |
| 00:10.29 | Arafangion | en1gma: Haha! |
| 00:10.43 | en1gma | what |
| 00:10.51 | JordiGH | en1gma: It hurts the environment. You're wasting precious clock cycles and whirring up your hard drive to perform a useless operation. |
| 00:11.04 | en1gma | nah |
| 00:11.11 | en1gma | it will be just fine |
| 00:11.17 | JordiGH | en1gma: I'm personally holding you responsible for a portion of the current global warming effects. |
| 00:11.22 | Arafangion | en1gma: In any case, I'd use /dev/urandom |
| 00:11.22 | en1gma | i have a 3 year warranty :) |
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| 00:11.32 | robin_sz | en1gma, its not bad, its just utterley, utterley pointless |
| 00:11.37 | Arafangion | en1gma: Or /dev/random (Can never remember which one is better for the task) |
| 00:11.42 | en1gma | well then why do formats |
| 00:12.13 | robin_sz | you always have to format a drive before you can use it |
| 00:12.26 | en1gma | why do a format after that |
| 00:12.36 | robin_sz | no one ever does |
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| 00:12.55 | en1gma | ok |
| 00:13.04 | en1gma | nice to know. |
| 00:13.05 | robin_sz | unless some catastrophe happens |
| 00:13.05 | Arafangion | The DoD shoots HDD's instead. |
| 00:13.06 | en1gma | :) |
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| 00:13.28 | robin_sz | or you want to change from ext3 to resierfs or some such |
| 00:13.44 | en1gma | this isnt about getting rid of sensative data or any good pr0n...its just about having a nice new zerod out drive |
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| 00:14.10 | robin_sz | well, it acheieves nothing |
| 00:14.13 | en1gma | i didnt create the dd zero command |
| 00:14.26 | robin_sz | no |
| 00:14.36 | dob1 | hi, i noted that after a sarge upgrade i don't have the logrotate on syslog, /var/log/syslog doesn't rotate and on /etc/logrotate.d/ i don't have any default script for it, why? |
| 00:14.37 | robin_sz | but you used it for a crazy puprose |
| 00:14.49 | en1gma | what is a good reason to use it for |
| 00:15.00 | robin_sz | for copying disks? |
| 00:15.06 | en1gma | the zero part? |
| 00:15.17 | JordiGH | en1gma: dd is good for low-level copying of data. But I'm usually to scared of typos to use dd and I use gparted instead. |
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| 00:15.31 | JordiGH | Or QtParted, whichever one is working better at the time. |
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| 00:15.40 | en1gma | ah dont be scared (my drives are blanked already) |
| 00:15.51 | dob1 | neither on logrotate.conf |
| 00:15.54 | robin_sz | en1gma, there is no good reason to use /dev/zero with dd, thats a thing YOU invented, nit us |
| 00:15.57 | dob1 | any help please? |
| 00:16.09 | en1gma | robin_sz i invented? |
| 00:16.18 | robin_sz | yes YOU. |
| 00:16.24 | JordiGH | robin_sz: I've seen that command on the internets: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=113769 |
| 00:16.28 | en1gma | [13:53] <norc> en1gma: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whatever |
| 00:16.28 | en1gma | [13:53] <cruiseoveride> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
| 00:17.00 | en1gma | i dont have this channels lines cause i pasted those 4 lines and got kicked |
| 00:17.02 | robin_sz | en1gma, you probably asked some question like "how can I wirte zeros to a disk" |
| 00:17.08 | dob1 | i don't find any script on logrotate that rotate the syslog file, i think it has to be the default or i am wrong? |
| 00:17.14 | norc | robin_sz: its what he asked for, isnt it? |
| 00:17.24 | robin_sz | en1gma, the correct answer was "don;t bother" |
| 00:17.29 | en1gma | robin_sz well whatelse would constitute the answer they gave me |
| 00:18.05 | JordiGH | #debian Jeopardy |
| 00:18.15 | en1gma | what is the price of wheat in china? "[13:53] <cruiseoveride> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda" |
| 00:18.23 | robin_sz | norc, it is the answer to the question, but its a pointless exercise |
| 00:18.51 | robin_sz | en1gma, do you unplug the keyboard from the PC at night? |
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| 00:19.03 | norc | robin_sz: why if I may ask? |
| 00:19.07 | robin_sz | en1gma, lightning strikes .... |
| 00:19.17 | JordiGH | Hey, en1gma, I have a C++ program for you to run: "int main(){while(true)}" |
| 00:19.22 | en1gma | my answer is " dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda" |
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| 00:19.40 | en1gma | :) |
| 00:19.45 | robin_sz | norc, hes under the impression the writing zeros will somehow cure bad blocks and "freshen" his drive ... |
| 00:19.57 | norc | oh.. |
| 00:20.06 | en1gma | i dont have bad blocks |
| 00:20.15 | en1gma | and my drive is only 5mos old |
| 00:20.17 | norc | en1gma: what are you trying to accomplish |
| 00:20.21 | marc7 | shame that he still has that impression after all the good-natured suggestions he's getting |
| 00:20.24 | en1gma | to zero out my hd |
| 00:20.27 | en1gma | :) |
| 00:20.29 | norc | en1gma: what for? |
| 00:20.34 | norc | what good is it going to do? |
| 00:20.35 | en1gma | for the hell of it |
| 00:20.46 | en1gma | just to watch my proc get used |
| 00:20.49 | robin_sz | well, there you go |
| 00:20.56 | norc | en1gma: then go for a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whatever_your_device_is |
| 00:21.08 | en1gma | its already in prgress |
| 00:21.11 | jeffwheeler | My monitor's misaligned every time I login, and I have to reposition it using my monitor's buttons and such. I fixed it a long time ago under Ubuntu with the proprietary drivers and the app 'nvidia-settings', which afaik, was just changing the h-freq output... |
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| 00:21.13 | JordiGH | en1gma: I've got another more interesting C++ program for you: "int main(){for(;;) new double;}" |
| 00:21.19 | en1gma | just wish i had a progress bar |
| 00:21.33 | marc7 | wish away |
| 00:21.43 | robin_sz | en1gma, you know that suggestion about unplugging your KB at night? |
| 00:21.51 | en1gma | nope |
| 00:22.05 | robin_sz | to avoif lightning strikes ... |
| 00:22.09 | en1gma | why whats that do? zero out my hd? |
| 00:22.14 | jeffwheeler | I seem to remember an app that was able to demonstrate the different freq. of the monitor, but I can't remember it's name. |
| 00:22.21 | robin_sz | have you considered unpluggin it during the day as well? |
| 00:22.25 | jeffwheeler | Anybody know something that might help? (Read a few messages above, too.) |
| 00:22.33 | marc7 | hey, can i ask why we're paying all this lip service to enigma? jeffwheeler's had the only intelligent question in the last 10 minutes |
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| 00:22.43 | robin_sz | fair point, |
| 00:22.47 | en1gma | i was thinking about getting 4 more drives just so i could zero those out with these |
| 00:22.59 | Arafangion | marc7: HEY! |
| 00:23.07 | norc | en1gma: To zero out your hdd is not going to change anything. Performance will be the same, only thing you lose is time. |
| 00:23.10 | Arafangion | marc7: Oh, last 10 minutes... Nevermind :) |
| 00:23.11 | jeffwheeler | marc7: I'm good with that :) |
| 00:23.23 | marc7 | Arafangion: sorry, it scrolled off my buffer. :)_ |
| 00:23.27 | en1gma | well im not pressed for time (as you can prob tell) |
| 00:23.48 | en1gma | i just like to watch the wheels go round and round....i just really love to watch em roll |
| 00:24.11 | marc7 | okay en1gma, you have your answer. we don't need to hear any more of your logic/reason behind it. |
| 00:24.12 | norc | en1gma: But I would suggest doing an rm -rf / before zeroing out your harddrive. |
| 00:24.37 | en1gma | norc what does rm -rf do |
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| 00:25.04 | norc | en1gma: Wait, I have a better idea. find . -exec rm {} \; |
| 00:25.10 | HostilePenguin | ok lame question time when you have a package sat 2.0.0.1+dfsg-3 what does the +dfsg-3 mean? |
| 00:25.14 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.17 | dureyes | what is a good filesystem for external drives to use under linux?, that I personally use backing stuff..mp3, movies, etc |
| 00:25.19 | en1gma | im already dding so it dont matter anyhow |
| 00:25.21 | norc | en1gma: It does the same thing your command does. Nothing useful. |
| 00:25.30 | en1gma | its not my command |
| 00:25.35 | en1gma | its just one im using |
| 00:25.40 | norc | consider it yours now. |
| 00:25.43 | norc | ;) |
| 00:25.46 | en1gma | lol |
| 00:25.54 | robin_sz | try rm -rf / its more .... efficient ;) |
| 00:25.55 | marc7 | HostilePenguin: has to do with the debian free software guidelines... maybe a software license? |
| 00:25.55 | en1gma | i will adopt it and make it mine |
| 00:26.04 | norc | robin_sz: It doesn't look so cool this way. |
| 00:26.06 | en1gma | i will love it long time |
| 00:26.10 | jeffwheeler | I've got another question, that should hopefully be easier; why doesn't Debian come with sudo? Isn't it supposed to be safer? |
| 00:26.12 | norc | robin_sz: And it's not supposed to be efficient, he has time, remember? |
| 00:26.27 | HostilePenguin | sudo is not safer |
| 00:26.33 | robin_sz | norc, Iwas thinking of my time ;) |
| 00:26.35 | norc | robin_sz: We could also let his computer sleep for a second after each deleted file |
| 00:26.39 | norc | oh well |
| 00:27.00 | en1gma | i just love the way....when you ask for something in this channel and 5 people speak up and try and talk you into doing something :THEIR: way |
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| 00:27.10 | en1gma | i been dd zeroing for many years |
| 00:27.12 | en1gma | it works fine |
| 00:27.24 | marc7 | jeffwheeler: we use it on our servers, but that's just our security policy. it doesn't add any layer of security, it just prevents us from disclosing the root password to a large number of people and creates some kind of accountability. on single-user systems it's a lot less of an issue. |
| 00:27.54 | HostilePenguin | or are you talking safer so you as a user don't mess around as root? |
| 00:28.21 | jeffwheeler | HostilePenguin: I don't know exactly; I wasn't fully aware of the benefits, thus the question. :) |
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| 00:28.26 | jeffwheeler | marc7: makes sense; thanks |
| 00:29.08 | Arafangion | marc7: You have sudo log the commands as well? |
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| 00:29.20 | marc7 | Arafangion: yeah... to a remote syslog server |
| 00:29.29 | bzed | en1gma: sure, zeroing a drive works always fine, except the drive is broken. it still makes not much sense |
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| 00:29.44 | norc | marc7: besides, you shouldn't use passwords at all for ssh. |
| 00:29.46 | Arafangion | marc7: Then it's safer :) logs plus backups, anyway :) |
| 00:30.08 | marc7 | norc: not always practical to do that... |
| 00:30.22 | en1gma | bzed how is the drive broken |
| 00:30.44 | robin_sz | with a hammer? |
| 00:31.29 | Arafangion | en1gma: He's mixing up cause and effect for semantic effect. |
| 00:31.53 | scrip | I'm curious if anyone in here has used cedega? good or bad experience? |
| 00:31.58 | en1gma | :) |
| 00:32.04 | j4cbo | scrip: works pretty well |
| 00:32.15 | Arafangion | scrip: I'm more of a winehq guy. |
| 00:32.19 | bzed | en1gma: by heating it > 1500 deg C ? |
| 00:32.23 | norc | scrip: use wine. |
| 00:32.36 | scrip | arafangion: does winehq handle direct X ? |
| 00:32.37 | HostilePenguin | 1500c is wow |
| 00:32.58 | Arafangion | scrip: cedega forked ages ago, and haven't really been able to incorporate wine's changes properly. |
| 00:33.08 | Arafangion | scrip: Yes, Threaded DirectX is on the works atm. |
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| 00:35.28 | scrip | arafangion: cool, thanks! I'll check that out |
| 00:35.43 | scrip | arafangion: didn't realize cedega had completely forked |
| 00:35.57 | Arafangion | scrip: They forked even before cedega was cedega. |
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| 00:36.20 | scrip | arafangion: when they changed their name from winex to cedega? was that it? |
| 00:36.31 | en1gma | cpus = 100% |
| 00:36.41 | en1gma | and i have a 25% oc on it too |
| 00:36.50 | en1gma | and my 8800gtx runs at 95C |
| 00:36.58 | en1gma | when im not gaming |
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| 00:38.46 | cry0x | nice and cool |
| 00:39.23 | j4cbo | the cpu in my laptop hit 100C once |
| 00:39.46 | bzed | burn cpu burn |
| 00:39.55 | norc | Most ICs should start burning at these temperatures. |
| 00:40.07 | norc | at least the ICs used for GPU/CPUs |
| 00:40.09 | j4cbo | it's still under warranty :) |
| 00:40.21 | bzed | j4cbo: no chance |
| 00:40.22 | HostilePenguin | 95 is to hot |
| 00:40.26 | HostilePenguin | poof |
| 00:40.35 | bzed | j4cbo: if it burned to death, your warranty is void |
| 00:40.51 | norc | Don't Athlons turn themself off at 80°C? |
| 00:40.55 | bzed | j4cbo: except you didn;t mount the cooler |
| 00:40.57 | j4cbo | bzed: if it burned to death under normal operation while sitting on a flat unobstructed desk? |
| 00:40.57 | scrip | 95 is too hot? but I want a cpu powered espresso maker built into my case :( |
| 00:41.03 | bzed | norc: yeah, something aroudn that |
| 00:41.13 | j4cbo | laptop, unmodified. |
| 00:41.27 | j4cbo | anyway, still works fine :) |
| 00:41.29 | bzed | j4cbo: well then.. the warranty is all ytours :) |
| 00:41.30 | bzed | btw |
| 00:41.42 | bzed | are we talking farenheit or celsius !?. deg C for my part |
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| 00:41.50 | j4cbo | celsius |
| 00:42.01 | norc | j4cbo: Oh, and you might want to check your next computer store for a cooling system. I think Dell forgot to put something into your laptop. |
| 00:42.04 | scrip | haha, C, 95F is a very good operating temperature |
| 00:42.12 | j4cbo | norc: Apple, actually :/ |
| 00:42.21 | norc | figured |
| 00:43.12 | j4cbo | it's a sweet machine, although i risk burning myself when doing too much cpu crunching |
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| 00:44.42 | cry0x | j4cbo, which apple? |
| 00:44.44 | endra | Hey |
| 00:44.46 | endra | My openoffice doesn't do correct spellcheck, any idea why? |
| 00:44.48 | en1gma | http://www.imagecoast.com/images/en1gma/snapshot1.jpg |
| 00:45.12 | j4cbo | cry0x: 15" macbook pro, 2.16ghz core duo, 2gb ram |
| 00:45.35 | cry0x | you should reapply the thermal grease, or tell apple to do it |
| 00:45.42 | en1gma | apple? |
| 00:46.05 | norc | j4cbo: I think you just mix up your macbook with your coffee machine |
| 00:46.09 | cry0x | apple put so much compound on the cpu and gpu it insulates instead of cools |
| 00:46.31 | cry0x | GG apple |
| 00:46.37 | j4cbo | yeah, i've heard |
| 00:46.38 | HostilePenguin | arctic silver and just a smudge lap your hsf also |
| 00:46.45 | cry0x | indeed |
| 00:46.59 | j4cbo | i used up most of my thermal paste building my amplifier though |
| 00:47.03 | cry0x | the second I bought my macbook I opened it up and used some AS5 |
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| 00:47.58 | cry0x | sure the fan runs a lot, but it keeps the CPU temp down |
| 00:48.14 | cry0x | less heat = longer life |
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| 00:50.58 | endra | Any idea how I can get openoffice to spellcheck in english/french? |
| 00:54.07 | abrotman | at the same time ? |
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| 00:54.29 | Ronin | wouldnt 1/2 always be spelled incorrectly then? |
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| 00:55.09 | limpio | endra, apt-cache search openoffice, install your lang ispell and when using Ooo, press F7 |
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| 00:56.08 | endra | ispell? |
| 00:56.18 | endra | myspell, maybe? |
| 00:56.22 | limpio | myspell |
| 00:56.27 | endra | Okay, thanks. |
| 00:56.29 | limpio | my bad |
| 00:56.42 | endra | Are those the package names? myspell-en ? |
| 00:56.43 | abrotman | Ronin: oh come on .. you know all those french kids do is riot ... i doubt they can even spell bonjour! |
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| 00:57.07 | limpio | yup |
| 00:57.39 | limpio | myspell-en-us or gb, etc |
| 00:58.47 | Ronin | :) |
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| 00:58.49 | endra | Any idea what the french canada one is? |
| 00:58.57 | endra | Usually ca-fr or fr-ca |
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| 01:00.00 | endra | openoffice.org-l10n-fr <-- is this okay as well? or does it strickly have to be myspell? |
| 01:00.03 | endra | strictly* |
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| 01:00.31 | Kumbi | hey guys is it possible to get framebuffer support in debian? |
| 01:00.54 | abrotman | yes |
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| 01:01.35 | Kumbi | how |
| 01:01.39 | limpio | endra, for myspell there is only one fr, 110n-fr, will make the whole app in french instead of the default english |
| 01:01.56 | abrotman | you append the kernel option in your bootloader |
| 01:01.57 | endra | myspell is fr-gut for gutemburg.. |
| 01:02.26 | abrotman | usually something like vga=791 or something .. i think .. i don't use it |
| 01:02.34 | limpio | i don't speak french so... |
| 01:02.41 | endra | Oh wait. |
| 01:02.51 | endra | myspell does have packages, they just didn't show up in apt-cache |
| 01:03.29 | Ronin | theres a fronglish spell check? cool ;) |
| 01:03.40 | Kumbi | abrotman you mean framebuffer support is already compiled in the default debian kernel? |
| 01:03.57 | abrotman | yes |
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| 01:04.06 | abrotman | !singlishsmite Ronin |
| 01:04.06 | dpkg | Ronin: Still say some more! Whack you then you know! |
| 01:04.23 | Kumbi | hmm in debian there's no grub.conf abrotman |
| 01:04.36 | HostilePenguin | menu.lst |
| 01:04.45 | abrotman | Kumbi: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:04.47 | Ronin | abrotman: if the french folks here can say fronglay/frenglish so can i :) |
| 01:05.04 | endra | What does v/p mean in aptitude search? i means installed, but v/p ? |
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| 01:05.30 | abrotman | Ronin: i don't know what that means .. but put your pants on! |
| 01:05.43 | thingfish | hehe you guys are nuts |
| 01:05.56 | b1b | what is the path to the file that shows informayion about my video card |
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| 01:06.46 | HostilePenguin | virtual package? |
| 01:07.07 | b1b | ? |
| 01:07.11 | abrotman | thingfish: i want to be an almond! |
| 01:07.35 | b1b | ookay |
| 01:07.45 | b1b | nvm |
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| 01:08.47 | endra | This isn't working :( |
| 01:08.52 | Ronin | abrotman: take french and english and combine it into one, |
| 01:09.06 | HostilePenguin | endra what isnt working? |
| 01:09.16 | endra | Spellchecking in openoffice isn't working. |
| 01:09.21 | nvz | Ronin: you mean canadian? |
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| 01:09.30 | abrotman | Ronin: who would want to do that ? |
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| 01:10.36 | limpio | endra, did you install myspell-fr restart Ooo, write something press f7? |
| 01:10.46 | Ronin | abrotman: try living in a bilingua province, |
| 01:10.47 | endra | English spelling won't even work.. but yes I tried that |
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| 01:11.00 | abrotman | Ronin: like pittsburgh ? |
| 01:11.11 | Ronin | heh fewer guns, better beer |
| 01:11.21 | endra | In 'writing aids', I see: Hunspell Spellchecker, and New Thesaurus |
| 01:11.22 | abrotman | where? in pittsburgh ? |
| 01:11.30 | Ronin | humm interesting, all apps open to the left now |
| 01:11.35 | limpio | endra, are you in sid? |
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| 01:11.42 | endra | Both are checked. In user-defined dictionaries, I see: standard, Debian, soffice, IgnoreAllList |
| 01:11.48 | endra | No, I'm in Etch |
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| 01:12.42 | Caelum | thank you, apt-listbugs, from keeping me from hosing my system on numerous occasions |
| 01:13.20 | abrotman | Caelum: that's no fun! |
| 01:13.39 | limpio | did you do a #updatedb |
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| 01:14.02 | SNIa | Hello, I'm curious if there's a way to find out how a debian package was ./configured? |
| 01:14.11 | dondelelcaro | SNIa: look at debian/rules |
| 01:14.21 | SNIa | sweet thanks |
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| 01:14.34 | endra | Sorry guys, no time to fix this, I'll to boot up and use ms office for now :-/ |
| 01:14.37 | endra | I'll be back later for it though, thanks |
| 01:15.02 | HostilePenguin | had to throw the ms |
| 01:15.36 | HostilePenguin | to bad he dosent hav a dual boot nix box :P |
| 01:16.18 | limpio | endra, hold on |
| 01:16.29 | limpio | are you there? |
| 01:16.47 | HostilePenguin | microshit ate him |
| 01:17.04 | Kumbi | guys what do i pass the kernel to use framebuffer in 1280x1024 |
| 01:17.51 | HostilePenguin | 794 |
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| 01:20.11 | dureyes | can someone dcc me the list of radio stations on rhymbox? |
| 01:21.13 | eldowan | sure, comming up. Just type /server to get them |
| 01:21.53 | eldowan | dureyes: you get them? |
| 01:22.19 | dureyes | no.. |
| 01:23.11 | abrotman | dureyes: google ? |
| 01:23.34 | Ronin | abrotman: too obvious |
| 01:23.44 | abrotman | Ronin: oh crap .. i keep forgetting it's sunday |
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| 01:23.50 | Ronin | always |
| 01:24.17 | GrayThunder | since I have upgraded to etch, xscreensaver crashes my x session. when i attempt to adjust the settings through desktop->preferences->screensaver, my X session also crashes. Can anyone help? |
| 01:24.35 | abrotman | i810 ? |
| 01:24.57 | GrayThunder | no. voodoo 5 |
| 01:24.58 | Ronin | stew: you need to come north, 220lbs of grain arrived today, i have bags stacked all over the house |
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| 01:26.32 | mortal5 | can anyone tell me where xine searches for codecs? |
| 01:26.42 | mortal5 | isn't it like /usr/lib/codecs? |
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| 01:27.32 | omri | mortal5, tried man xine? xine --help ? |
| 01:28.12 | SNIa | dondelelcaro: for the zabbix package, I got no rules :( |
| 01:28.12 | rvsjoen | same codec path as MPlayer (/usr[/local]/lib/codecs) since xine-lib 1.1.1 |
| 01:28.12 | abrotman | Ronin: does he look like a farmer? :) |
| 01:28.15 | unlink | after resuming from a suspend, any attempts to use the sound card get Device or resource busy. how can i fix this? |
| 01:29.21 | gpm | mortal5: dpkg -L libxine1 ? |
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| 01:29.41 | gpm | mortal5: there are a bunch places i think |
| 01:30.01 | Kumbi | hrm |
| 01:30.09 | Kumbi | i used NTLDR to chainload grub |
| 01:30.11 | mortal5 | rvsjoen, thank you |
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| 01:32.19 | gpm | rvsjoen: huh, i have xine-ui installed and there's no /usr/lib/codecs or /usr/local/lib/codecs |
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| 01:33.00 | Kumbi | hey if i want to use the ati frame buffer |
| 01:33.13 | Kumbi | what should the video= be? atifb? |
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| 01:34.01 | amphi | Kumbi: radeon? then radeonfb |
| 01:34.17 | gpm | vesafb doesn't work? |
| 01:34.33 | Kumbi | thx amphi |
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| 01:34.40 | Kumbi | its included with stock gentoo kernel right |
| 01:34.43 | Kumbi | debian* |
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| 01:35.13 | gpm | oh, radeonfb works, nm |
| 01:35.24 | gpm | the question is if it's on the initrd |
| 01:35.27 | gpm | right? |
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| 01:36.16 | gpm | hey, nergar was root |
| 01:36.19 | gpm | :( |
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| 01:40.06 | nergar_ | hello? |
| 01:40.06 | rares000 | anyone using i915 chipset how do I get performance on second life |
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| 01:40.33 | nergar_ | can someone help me unrar an archive |
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| 01:40.53 | rabid | hello |
| 01:40.54 | asg | nergar_: /msg dpkg unrar |
| 01:41.26 | nergar_ | /msg dpkg unrar |
| 01:41.34 | rabid | Does anyone know how to scale a dosbox window to fit an lcd display ? |
| 01:41.44 | abrotman | isn't there a fullscreen mode ? |
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| 01:42.52 | asg | fullscreen abrotman is quite a sight |
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| 01:43.25 | abrotman | i can't beat that |
| 01:43.30 | abrotman | well .. i could .. i'd rather not |
| 01:43.33 | liable | get a room! |
| 01:44.27 | asg | !room |
| 01:44.27 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 01:44.44 | minerale | Is there anywhere I can add something like export java_home=/somewhere -> where it will be read by sh ? |
| 01:44.46 | [hC] | Does the 4.0 installer support setting up software raid in the initial installation? |
| 01:45.07 | liable | from the comments, i thought room sounded more appropriate ;) |
| 01:45.07 | asg | minerale: in .bashrc (if you use bash) |
| 01:45.09 | rabid | DosBox in fullscreen mode has 640x480 pixels surrounded by black. |
| 01:45.50 | abrotman | [hC]: yes |
| 01:45.50 | abrotman | !ig |
| 01:45.51 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 01:45.51 | minerale | asg: I'd like it to be system wide, and I need it for /bin/sh scripts |
| 01:45.51 | [hC] | Thanks. |
| 01:45.51 | abrotman | rabid: uhm .. it's DOS |
| 01:45.53 | [hC] | I didnt see it as i went thru. |
| 01:45.59 | Kumbi | is radeonfb included with the default debian install? |
| 01:46.07 | asg | minerale: then /etc/profile |
| 01:46.16 | abrotman | !find radeonfb etch |
| 01:46.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'radeonfb' (4 of 24): (/usr/include/linux/radeonfb.h) in devel/linux-kernel-headers ;; (/usr/lib/klibc/include/linux/radeonfb.h) in libdevel/libklibc-dev ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4/include/linux/radeonfb.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-4 ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7/include/linux/radeonfb.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7. |
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| 01:46.49 | minerale | asg: that does not work either |
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| 01:47.16 | nergar_ | hello?? |
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| 01:47.24 | [hC] | abrotman: I'm no debian newbie, but what in the heck is this markup in the installation guide? such as: |
| 01:47.24 | [hC] | #d-i partman-auto/init_automatically_partition \ |
| 01:47.31 | nergar_ | dpkg doesn't answer me |
| 01:47.39 | nergar_ | i need to unrar an archive |
| 01:47.42 | minerale | asg: actually, I think it's impossible to do at all,, if you do strace -eopen,stat64 /bin/sh -> it will show you all files which it opens or looks for.. and /etc/profile is not it |
| 01:47.43 | asg | minerale: you have to log out and log back in. Also, use #!/bin/bash instead of #!/bin/sh in the shebang line |
| 01:47.46 | abrotman | [hC]: URL ? |
| 01:47.55 | abrotman | [hC]: i believe those are optoins to the installer |
| 01:47.55 | piztek3 | can mouse themes be changed, and how? |
| 01:47.59 | [hC] | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman-raid |
| 01:48.08 | abrotman | that's for preseeding |
| 01:48.13 | abrotman | i don't think you want that |
| 01:48.48 | [hC] | abrotman: thats whats in the URL you sent me. |
| 01:48.56 | [hC] | abrotman: when i go to i386 english. |
| 01:49.11 | asg | minerale: check the INVOCATION section in the bash manpage, that will show you which files are read and under what circumstances. |
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| 01:49.29 | abrotman | 6.3.2.2. Configuring Multidisk Device (Software RAID) |
| 01:49.31 | [hC] | abrotman: anyhow, it would appear that one of the options in the menu should be manual, lvm, and raid, and I see no raid in my options. |
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| 01:50.10 | abrotman | [hC]: does it see two HDDs ? |
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| 01:55.50 | [hC] | abrotman: Ive got it. Sorry, didnt realize it was in manual setup. |
| 01:55.57 | abrotman | ah .. yeah |
| 01:56.21 | [hC] | Also had to catch that it wanted to use 2 active devices and 0 spares, instead of 1 active 1 spare.. |
| 01:56.45 | [hC] | In all honesty ive never selected manual before, i didnt realize it was still menu driven, figured it was going to just drop me to fdisk. |
| 01:56.53 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 01:57.01 | abrotman | guess they could make that a bit more clear |
| 01:57.44 | [hC] | well, I think its all done now anyways... thanks for the help! |
| 01:58.50 | abrotman | enjoy! |
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| 02:07.58 | pollac | hi |
| 02:08.06 | lontra | anyone know how i can find the address of my router? |
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| 02:08.30 | abrotman | route |
| 02:08.41 | abrotman | traceroute |
| 02:08.59 | lontra | traceroute -g? |
| 02:09.07 | pollac | lontra: it local ip or external ip? |
| 02:09.16 | lontra | pollac, my local route |
| 02:09.30 | pollac | lontra: which vendor? |
| 02:09.47 | lontra | pollac, it doesn't seem to have a vendor name |
| 02:10.31 | pollac | lontra: it would be 192.168.1.x, where x would be dependent on the vendor |
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| 02:11.23 | pollac | try with x=1 or 254. |
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| 02:11.54 | lontra | is it possible that it's 10.0.1.1? |
| 02:12.36 | cast | anything is possible! |
| 02:12.44 | cast | except 10.0.1.543 like i see on CSI |
| 02:12.49 | lontra | hrm ... well iceweasel think i'm a liar |
| 02:12.54 | pollac | lontra: try http://10.0.1.1 then. |
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| 02:14.41 | pollac | lontra: when you are connected to the router via dhclient, the router's local ip will be displayed. |
| 02:14.45 | Guerin | cast: heh, don't you know it breaks the unwritten laws of filmmaking to have accurate computer scenes |
| 02:15.07 | lontra | pollac, ok |
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| 02:15.15 | abrotman | lontra: it doesn't matter what your vendor is |
| 02:15.28 | abrotman | /sbin/route -n .. the IP is right there |
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| 02:16.56 | pollac | abrotman: that's only after he is connected to the router. |
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| 02:17.06 | rking | cast: did you seriously see that? |
| 02:17.28 | cast | rking: i definitely say x.x.x.x where x> 255 on csi |
| 02:17.31 | abrotman | pollac: uhm .. i thought he already was |
| 02:17.33 | cast | saw* |
| 02:17.36 | lontra | well i am still seeing 10.0.1.1 but that doesn't work for me ... |
| 02:17.38 | lontra | abrotman, i am |
| 02:17.38 | rking | lame. |
| 02:17.59 | lontra | dhclient, network-manager, route -n, all show 10.0.1.1 but i can't open it up in iceweasel |
| 02:18.18 | rking | cast: maybe they did it to simulate it without being possibly real. like 555-xxxx |
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| 02:18.58 | pollac | lontra: no login screen? |
| 02:19.05 | lontra | pollac, nope ... |
| 02:19.33 | piztek3 | anyone here use quod libet? |
| 02:19.38 | gravity | piztek3: I do |
| 02:19.42 | pollac | lontra: well, this one beats me. |
| 02:19.46 | piztek3 | gravity: is there a shuffle option? |
| 02:19.50 | cast | rking: i figured they were just windows users :| |
| 02:19.52 | abrotman | lontra: could be limited by MAC ? |
| 02:20.03 | gravity | piztek3: Yes, bottom left "Order" menu |
| 02:20.04 | lontra | abrotman, yes ... it likely is |
| 02:20.13 | piztek3 | ah, thank you |
| 02:20.21 | gravity | np |
| 02:20.27 | piztek3 | gravity: do playlists have to be saved? |
| 02:20.29 | De_Mon | how would I produce a diff that only contained a particular expression (the inverse of -X) |
| 02:20.43 | rking | cast: yeah - if it weren't so off-topic i could go on a mini rant right now. instead, i'll just nod knowingly in your direction |
| 02:20.49 | De_Mon | err -I |
| 02:20.50 | lontra | abrotman, the modem has a MAC address on the bottom of it |
| 02:21.15 | gravity | piztek3: I think so |
| 02:21.15 | qiyong | dovecot only support local user, not virtual user, right? |
| 02:21.27 | gravity | piztek3: It probably will remember your current one though |
| 02:21.43 | rking | debhelper: diff -X excludes files... id ont' get it |
| 02:22.06 | De_Mon | rking look down 2 lines |
| 02:22.07 | rking | debhelper: sorry, i meant De_Mon |
| 02:22.24 | rking | De_Mon: using zsh? |
| 02:22.41 | rking | De_Mon: you could do diff =(grep pat a) =(grep pat b) |
| 02:22.49 | lontra | abrotman, if it's limited by MAC is there any way to circumvent this? |
| 02:23.01 | rking | or if in bash: grep pat a > apat; grep pat b > bpat; diff apat bpat |
| 02:23.18 | piztek3 | thanks gravity |
| 02:23.33 | gravity | piztek3: I don't really use playlists much, so I'm not a great source for that |
| 02:23.36 | gravity | I have a few I saved |
| 02:23.49 | abrotman | lontra: i meant the router is retricted to only allow certain MACs |
| 02:23.54 | De_Mon | uh, I need to be able to run patch using the results |
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| 02:24.05 | lontra | abrotman, ah |
| 02:24.31 | abrotman | only way to circumvent it would be to reset the router .. possibly a very bad idea |
| 02:24.31 | pollac | lontra: that ip looks like a vpn tunnel. that could be a vpn router. |
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| 02:24.58 | pollac | lontra: its not your router, right? |
| 02:25.13 | lontra | pollac, yes it's at my home |
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| 02:25.25 | pollac | :P |
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| 02:25.45 | De_Mon | could I write a -I regexp that says ignore all lines except foo |
| 02:25.50 | seth1248 | How can I put the error message produced by: "ifconfig eth2 hw ether abc" into a variable? |
| 02:26.11 | abrotman | isn't it multiline ? |
| 02:26.14 | De_Mon | the string I'm trying to capture is 'HEIGHT="12" WIDTH="40"' |
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| 02:26.23 | rking | De_Mon: does the grep pat a > apat thing not work? |
| 02:26.24 | piztek3 | i can't launch bittorrent |
| 02:26.35 | piztek3 | and the package is installed |
| 02:26.53 | De_Mon | rking no, using grep makes the resulting patch file uesless |
| 02:27.01 | rking | ahh, patch file. |
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| 02:27.12 | cafuego | De_Mon: grep -v foo |
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| 02:27.52 | rking | De_Mon: what about just grepping the diff output... diff a b | egrep 'HEIGHT|WIDTH' |
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| 02:28.09 | rking | oh, that leaves the little c234,234 lines |
| 02:28.13 | De_Mon | rking patch < the_file_I_just_created.diff would fail |
| 02:28.13 | ftp3 | apt keeps trying to use the cd.. how do I tell it to use ftp |
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| 02:28.36 | piztek3 | how do i launch bittorrent? |
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| 02:28.48 | rking | De_Mon: hrm, i'll play with it. |
| 02:28.55 | De_Mon | diff -I (someregexp that excludes everything but 'HEIGHT="12" WIDTH="40"') |
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| 02:32.33 | cry0x | oh my |
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| 02:32.57 | piztek3 | how do i launch bittorrent |
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| 02:32.59 | De_Mon | piztek3 by clicking the bittrrent icon? |
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| 02:33.00 | piztek3 | De_Mon: could you give me a command |
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| 02:33.02 | rking | De_Mon: can you pastebin.ca the files perhaps? |
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| 02:33.04 | De_Mon | piztek3 there are a multitude of bittorrent clients, each one has its own name and "icon", you'd have to be more specific |
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| 02:33.21 | piztek3 | isn't there a gnome-torrent? |
| 02:33.28 | piztek3 | bittorrent-gui |
| 02:33.33 | piztek3 | doesn't launch for me |
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| 02:34.08 | gravity | bittornado? |
| 02:34.13 | gravity | That's installed by default in etch, iirc |
| 02:34.30 | piztek3 | i'm not sure |
| 02:34.31 | abrotman | by default ? |
| 02:34.31 | gravity | In the gnome desktop |
| 02:34.43 | gravity | Maybe not any more, I don't know |
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| 02:35.06 | abrotman | there's also 'transmission' |
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| 02:35.41 | ErichK | Hey, I have kernel 2.6.18-4-k7 and I was wondering if recompiling it would make any difference in speed. |
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| 02:35.54 | abrotman | ErichK: probably not that much |
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| 02:36.13 | ryushe | Hi there, if I have 2 drives (SATA and IDE) how do I find out where GRUB is installed? ie. in the MBR of which disk? |
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| 02:36.27 | ErichK | If I wanted to recompile, do you know of a helpful guide? |
| 02:36.32 | abrotman | !kp |
| 02:36.32 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
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| 02:38.06 | wladston | guys, I'm trying to install a printer on a debian system. When I plug it on the ubuntu system, the CUPS admin page list the new device. But when I do the same on the Debian system's cups menu, no option is shown. What could be the problem ? |
| 02:38.19 | ryushe | Hi there, if I have 2 drives (SATA and IDE) how do I find out where GRUB is installed? ie. in the MBR of which disk? |
| 02:38.20 | abrotman | try printconf |
| 02:38.30 | abrotman | ryushe: your grub conf should tell you where it's going |
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| 02:38.54 | ryushe | abrotman > which would be in menu.1st right? |
| 02:38.58 | wladston | abrotman: apt-getting |
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| 02:40.27 | abrotman | ryushe: menu.lst |
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| 02:40.49 | ryushe | right, so if I have an SDA and a HDA, how would I know which one is 0,0 and 1,0? |
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| 02:41.37 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 02:41.43 | ryushe | thanks |
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| 02:45.12 | ryushe | abrotman > would ata1.00 indicate the SATA disk is at 1,0 then? |
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| 02:45.40 | unlink | is it a kernel-level issue if my sound doesn't work after resuming from suspend? or could it be influenced by user-mode configuratoihn? |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | ryushe: dmesg | grep hda |
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| 02:46.57 | pvvnd | hi |
| 02:46.59 | De_Mon | unlink i'd lean towards userland |
| 02:47.03 | pvvnd | ASUS mobo any good?> |
| 02:47.08 | abrotman | for what? |
| 02:47.13 | ryushe | to be honest, I'm not getting any wiser from that. It simply tells me HDA is my IDE disk, which I already knew :/ |
| 02:47.19 | De_Mon | yes, generally |
| 02:47.33 | abrotman | ryushe: doh .. i'm an idiot :) |
| 02:47.40 | unlink | De_Mon: why do you say? |
| 02:47.55 | ryushe | if you say so ;) |
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| 02:49.04 | ryushe | so how DO I find out which is which then? :) |
| 02:49.04 | pvvnd | what do you mean for what |
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| 02:49.16 | pvvnd | for desktop |
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| 02:49.50 | dureyes | can someone send me a copy of the default radio stations on rhymbox on debian 4.0 ? |
| 02:50.03 | en1gma | what module lets you mb temps and cpu temps be seen? i have an nf4 mb with an amd64 x2 running debian sid 2.6.21-3-k7 |
| 02:50.31 | en1gma | im running superkaramba and it dont see my mb or cpu temps |
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| 02:50.42 | Thanatermesis | what is the diference between myspell and aspell ? |
| 02:50.59 | pvvnd | ASUS |
| 02:51.00 | Coweater | 3 |
| 02:51.01 | gpm | Thanatermesis: not sure, but i know openoffice uses mypell |
| 02:51.09 | gpm | and other things use aspell |
| 02:51.10 | gpm | hehe |
| 02:51.11 | gpm | sorry |
| 02:51.15 | gpm | apt-cache show? |
| 02:51.18 | abrotman | pvvnd: try #hardware |
| 02:51.20 | Thanatermesis | hum, ok |
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| 02:51.41 | pvvnd | OMG |
| 02:51.44 | ryushe | abrotman > any idea on finding out the 0,0 / 1,0 disk assignment? |
| 02:51.45 | abrotman | ryushe: eh .. i can't find it .. maybe ask #grub |
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| 02:51.53 | abrotman | ryushe: i thought man grub would help |
| 02:51.55 | ryushe | sorry, thanks, will do that |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | pvvnd: WHAT? |
| 02:52.18 | abrotman | ryushe: i thought something in the grub shell would help distinguish .. but i don't see it |
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| 02:52.27 | pvvnd | ASUS |
| 02:52.39 | gpm | dureyes: /usr/share/gtk-doc/html/rhythmbox/rhythmbox-rb-iradio-source.html |
| 02:52.39 | gpm | ? |
| 02:52.42 | abrotman | pvvnd: how is this related to Debian ? |
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| 02:53.18 | pvvnd | abrotman: mm... just tryinna find if it linux friendly |
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| 02:53.42 | abrotman | pvvnd: you didn't even give us a model number |
| 02:53.48 | abrotman | or any devices on a board |
| 02:54.01 | gpm | dureyes: 'scuse me, you want /usr/share/rhythmbox/iradio-initial.pls probably |
| 02:54.02 | wladston | abrotman: installed printconf, but the printer still isn't listed |
| 02:54.11 | gpm | (assuming rhythmbox is installed) |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | wladston: anything special about your printer? is it usb/parallel ? |
| 02:54.30 | wladston | it's USB |
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| 02:54.46 | abrotman | is usblp module loaded (lsmod will tell you) |
| 02:54.59 | wladston | an epson stylus cx4900 - bought it JUST because the linuxprint.org said it had "full linux support" |
| 02:56.05 | Amarande | :| |
| 02:56.11 | Amarande | It's been so long since I've had a local printer that I can't remember those details |
| 02:56.11 | Amarande | for over a year now, maybe two, I can't even remember now |
| 02:56.11 | Amarande | I've had my printer connected via ethernet |
| 02:56.11 | abrotman | wladston: yeah .. but is the driver for the usb printers loaded ? |
| 02:56.11 | wladston | no, not loeaded |
| 02:56.12 | Amarande | I can't even remember how you set up CUPS for a local printer. :) |
| 02:56.12 | abrotman | wladston: modprobe usblp .. then try printconf again |
| 02:56.18 | wladston | jangada:/home/wladston# modprobe usblp |
| 02:56.19 | wladston | FATAL: Module usblp not found. |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | uname -r |
| 02:56.26 | gpm | abrotman: what's auto-loading that for me, udev? |
| 02:56.29 | abrotman | did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 02:56.33 | wladston | yeah |
| 02:56.39 | abrotman | well .. that might be why it doesn't work |
| 02:56.44 | wladston | 2.6.20-kuroboxHG |
| 02:56.46 | abrotman | try a debian kernel .. see what happens |
| 02:56.51 | De_Mon | rking pick a string, then run grep -ve "someregexp" and only get the text patern wanted |
| 02:57.09 | pvvnd | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131013 |
| 02:57.13 | rking | De_Mon: 5 mins, i'll get it |
| 02:57.17 | pvvnd | this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131013 |
| 02:57.22 | wladston | a debian kernel ? Isn't the one I got a debian kernel ? |
| 02:57.35 | pvvnd | this one http:// www. newegg. com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131013 |
| 02:57.35 | De_Mon | grep -ve "[^W][^I][^D][^T][^H]" didn't get just "WIDTH" |
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| 02:57.39 | gpm | no, it's a wladston kernel |
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| 02:58.00 | wladston | gpm: well, I guess debian doesn't have a kernel that runs on my machine |
| 02:58.04 | gpm | ugh, regexes |
| 02:58.13 | gpm | wladston: what kind of processor do you have? |
| 02:58.18 | wladston | it's a PowerPC one |
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| 02:58.38 | wladston | it's a NAS-like embedded system |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | wladston: it doesn't ? how'd you get it installed ? |
| 02:58.44 | wladston | the name is Kurobox |
| 02:58.46 | abrotman | oh .. it's not really debian |
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| 02:58.57 | wladston | I compiled the stock kernel with the paths |
| 02:59.04 | DocPlatypus | NAS-like? |
| 02:59.05 | pvvnd | this one |
| 02:59.07 | wladston | yeah |
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| 02:59.15 | pvvnd | this one ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD |
| 02:59.18 | DocPlatypus | what does that mean, NAS-like? |
| 02:59.25 | wladston | abrotman: how can I install a "real debian" ? do you know if it's possible ? |
| 02:59.28 | abrotman | wladston: the usblp driver is the kernel interface to usb printers .. you need that driver AFAIK |
| 02:59.34 | abrotman | wladston: on that device .. no i don't |
| 02:59.34 | pvvnd | hello? |
| 02:59.35 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 02:59.35 | dpkg | [ppc] is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 02:59.36 | gpm | linux-image-2.6-powerpc |
| 02:59.36 | wladston | DocPlatypus: it's a device designed to be a NAS |
| 02:59.37 | gpm | ? |
| 02:59.41 | pvvnd | oh my bad |
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| 03:00.13 | DocPlatypus | yeah, figured that much... but that tells me nothing. |
| 03:00.18 | wladston | gpm: I was told that would run on a Mac PC |
| 03:00.25 | wladston | but not on the kurobox |
| 03:00.32 | pvvnd | sorry i apologize, the page was all the way up and wasn't seeing my messages |
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| 03:00.33 | wladston | because the modules it needed weren't maked |
| 03:00.36 | pvvnd | didn't mean to spam |
| 03:00.37 | wladston | marked |
| 03:00.39 | pvvnd | sorry about |
| 03:00.40 | gpm | oh. i don't know what a kurobox is, so i'm going to shut up now |
| 03:00.44 | pvvnd | don't ban me please |
| 03:00.48 | wladston | #debianppc |
| 03:01.05 | gpm | you mean, /j #debianppc |
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| 03:01.13 | wladston | yeah, sorry :) |
| 03:01.22 | dunpeal | how do i completly remove arts from my system |
| 03:01.24 | De_Mon | hahaha the factor photoshopped john edwards |
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| 03:01.32 | pvvnd | there's a company that will make Desktop PPC putters |
| 03:02.05 | gpm | dunpeal: apt-get remove arts? |
| 03:02.38 | Amarande | pvvnd: they make PowerPC putters now? Isn't having a computerized club considered cheating? |
| 03:03.01 | dunpeal | gpm i tryed that but i still keep getting a message saying that arts has crashed |
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| 03:04.00 | pvvnd | Amarande: well Apple discontinued the only ones |
| 03:04.04 | DocPlatypus | I would like to have any desktop !(i386 || amd64) |
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| 03:04.25 | DocPlatypus | really more interested in sparc or arm though |
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| 03:04.36 | wladston | I'm out of luck, no activity on #debianppc :( |
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| 03:06.41 | rking | De_Mon: (still working) |
| 03:06.54 | De_Mon | rking ;) harder than it sounds |
| 03:07.09 | rking | De_Mon: Yeah, and I'm more than a little rusty. |
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| 03:08.02 | jazbo2185 | why does `xmp foo.mod` give me "Segmentation fault"? |
| 03:08.22 | DocPlatypus | jazbo2185: corrupted module or defective xmp |
| 03:08.33 | Amarande | jazbo2185: check the core dump |
| 03:09.04 | Amarande | also, is your system overheating? RAM OK? |
| 03:09.18 | gpm | dunpeal: apt-get remove libarts1c2a |
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| 03:09.46 | dunpeal | gpm will try now thanks |
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| 03:10.24 | jazbo2185 | Amarande: system seems okay, no other problems. module is not the prob. How do I check the core dump? |
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| 03:10.55 | Amarande | jazbo2185, find the core dump |
| 03:11.01 | Amarande | then you want to run gdb -c core xmp |
| 03:11.24 | rking | De_Mon: you got ruby? |
| 03:12.32 | dunpeal | gpm if i do that it will remove everything like amarok kde and konqueror and so on |
| 03:13.00 | gpm | dunpeal: well yeah, kde uses arts |
| 03:13.36 | De_Mon | rking ive got to get this expression into diff -X |
| 03:13.36 | gpm | dunpeal: maybe install akode, it should help you get arts working |
| 03:13.48 | rking | De_Mon: hrm... how come? |
| 03:14.08 | dunpeal | gpm i thought that there was a way to only remove arts and allow the rest of the system to stay running |
| 03:14.19 | De_Mon | err -I even |
| 03:14.21 | dunpeal | gpm kk |
| 03:14.38 | rking | De_Mon: why can't it postprocess with a program? |
| 03:14.51 | De_Mon | I've got a lot of files with lots of differences, and I only want to apply this specific difference |
| 03:15.02 | gpm | dunpeal: well, not kde i don't think. i mean removing libarts1c2a will remove arts |
| 03:15.11 | gpm | but the cost is no kde |
| 03:15.18 | gpm | dunpeal: which version of debian are you running? |
| 03:15.31 | dunpeal | gpm etch |
| 03:15.41 | rking | De_Mon: i don't think that necessarily rules out a postprocess... but i'll try that approach for a minute just to see if i can do it that way |
| 03:15.41 | gpm | there is no akode, sorry i'm using a sarge box |
| 03:16.12 | gpm | dunpeal: what exactly happens? you try to start amarok or something and then what? |
| 03:16.34 | dunpeal | gpm no i just log in and wala |
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| 03:16.54 | dunpeal | gpm and it keeps happening |
| 03:17.13 | gpm | dunpeal: wala what? what keeps hapenning? |
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| 03:18.07 | dunpeal | gpm i keep getting a message saying that arts has crashed every few seconds |
| 03:18.28 | gpm | dunpeal: have you tried rebooting? |
| 03:18.42 | dunpeal | gpm four times now |
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| 03:18.59 | gpm | dunpeal: huh. maybe you should ask in #debian-kde. i don't even use kde sorry :( |
| 03:20.13 | dunpeal | gpm lol nah thats all good thanks for trying |
| 03:20.33 | gpm | dunpeal: does it give you any error about why arts crashed? |
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| 03:23.05 | gpm | aw |
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| 03:25.12 | dunpeal | gpm nah its just a generic kde crash message |
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| 03:25.30 | gpm | it just says "arts crashed" |
| 03:25.32 | gpm | nothing more? |
| 03:26.08 | dunpeal | pretty mutch |
| 03:26.43 | dunpeal | it just says that the program arts has crashed |
| 03:28.45 | wols | dunpeal: syslog or dmesg entries? otherwise than arts, sound works? |
| 03:29.00 | wols | and the EXACT error message would be kinda nice... |
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| 03:30.28 | dunpeal | wols well sound doesnt work because everytime i enable sound system i get overrun with these error messages and then i have to log off then on to stop it |
| 03:31.01 | simonrvn | how about just disabling arts and then fix your sound... |
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| 03:32.00 | dunpeal | how do i do dissable it?? |
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| 03:32.58 | simonrvn | kde control centre thingy |
| 03:33.11 | wols | dunpeal: then don't zuse artsd to check sound out? |
| 03:33.34 | dunpeal | doesnt that just dissable all sound though |
| 03:33.43 | Seb | has anything changed in 2.6.21 about firewire ? The kernel doesn't seem to see my firewire disks anymore... |
| 03:34.29 | wols | dunpeal: alsa is not artsd |
| 03:34.44 | De_Mon | rking looks like my best bet is some postprocessing that can use @@ as a row separator and new file headers |
| 03:34.55 | De_Mon | --- and +++ |
| 03:35.04 | rking | De_Mon: wait, you're using -u ?? |
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| 03:35.34 | rking | De_Mon: That would've been kind of nice to know... as i /just/ got it working for default diffs. |
| 03:35.52 | dunpeal | wols im trying to not use arts but even if i set the output engine to alsa i still get that same arts has crashed message |
| 03:36.08 | Amarande | perhaps you should use gnome |
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| 03:36.47 | De_Mon | rking err.. if you have something that works I'll use it, but generaly speaking doesnt everyone use unified diffs |
| 03:37.04 | rking | De_Mon: Here, see if this works for you... it's a ruby program, you can call it grepdiffs or something and use it like: diff a b | grepdiffs |
| 03:37.18 | gpm | Seb: changelog? |
| 03:37.24 | simonrvn | dunpeal: here's a tip: do one thing at a time; don't use arts, fix the sound, forget about using arts, it's pretty much useless with alsa anyway |
| 03:37.25 | rking | De_Mon: yeah, i can read -u's a lot easier... except you didn't say it so i didn't assume it. |
| 03:37.40 | De_Mon | guess I just made an ass out of myself then ;) |
| 03:37.47 | Seb | gpm: couldn't find anything meaningfule |
| 03:37.54 | rking | De_Mon: http://pastie.caboo.se/65943 |
| 03:38.04 | gpm | Seb: but older kernel it works fine? |
| 03:38.10 | rking | De_Mon: my bad... but `patch` can read it either way. |
| 03:38.11 | Seb | gpm: i'm using a debian kernel image too; all the drivers are loaded, but my disks just don't show up |
| 03:38.12 | dunpeal | Amarande: thats not a solution there is no point in running two libs at once and im using amarok and i dont want to lose it |
| 03:38.14 | Seb | gpm: correct |
| 03:38.25 | gpm | Seb: huh. did you check the bts? |
| 03:38.25 | De_Mon | rking aye, If it works i'll use it ;) |
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| 03:39.11 | Seb | gpm: no bugs reported against 2.6.21 it seems |
| 03:39.18 | dunpeal | simonrvn: well im trying to dissable arts but its not removing |
| 03:39.23 | rking | De_Mon: oh, and change /:1/ to your regex (I was using a portion of this chat window, and :1 was my pattern... AND i just noticed i negated it, so it should be 'if' instead of 'unless'... here, let me re-paste |
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| 03:39.54 | gpm | Seb: which kernel are you using, package name, linux-image-2.6.21[tell me the rest] |
| 03:40.00 | simonrvn | dunpeal: "not removing" ? |
| 03:40.02 | rking | De_Mon: http://pastie.caboo.se/65946 |
| 03:40.15 | lehavn | dau lung qua |
| 03:40.29 | Seb | gpm: linux-image-2.6.21-1-686 2.6.21-3 |
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| 03:42.47 | De_Mon | apt-get install ruby |
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| 03:43.11 | rking | De_Mon: yeah, that's something everyone should do. ruby is delicious. |
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| 03:45.09 | gpm | oh how obnoxious, the dep for linux-image-2.6-686 is broken in sid (i know, it's sid) |
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| 03:46.15 | liable | anyone else have issues with dhclient atm? |
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| 03:46.25 | liable | this seems to be ongoing |
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| 03:46.50 | gpm | liable: which version of debian? |
| 03:46.56 | liable | sid |
| 03:47.02 | gpm | liable: check the bts? |
| 03:47.14 | liable | doing so, but its dhclient and 3 |
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| 03:48.10 | De_Mon | rking this will do nicely, thanks for the help! |
| 03:48.45 | gpm | liable: well, if it's sid, and you've found a problem that nobody else has (and you're sure it's not your fault), you should report a bug |
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| 03:50.01 | gpm | liable: beyond that, i don't know what to tell you. plus, i don't know anything about dhclient |
| 03:50.28 | nvz | gpm: its a dhcp client |
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| 03:51.14 | gpm | nvz: how come i can't find it on pdo or apt-cache search? |
| 03:51.25 | liable | dhcp-client |
| 03:51.33 | nvz | gpm: looking for the wrong thing I guess |
| 03:51.33 | gpm | aha |
| 03:51.37 | liable | dhcp3-client |
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| 03:52.34 | Seb | gpm: back |
| 03:52.42 | Seb | gpm: so it doesn't seem to be a kernel thing |
| 03:52.50 | Seb | gpm: going back to older ones doesn't fix anything |
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| 03:53.10 | Seb | gpm: but since i have 2 firewire drives, I doubt they both died at the same time :) |
| 03:53.12 | gpm | Seb: so what exactly are you checking to make sure the drive was detected...syslog/dmesg? |
| 03:53.22 | Seb | gpm: yeah |
| 03:53.26 | nvz | liable: eww :P |
| 03:53.34 | gpm | Seb: and when you plug them in nothing in either of those logs? |
| 03:53.36 | Seb | gpm: also vgscan should find my lvm slices on those |
| 03:53.39 | Seb | gpm: nothing |
| 03:53.45 | rking | De_Mon: yay! - be sure to keep backups and double check output before you trust it... i think my sample data was like yours, but i could've missed an edge case here or there. |
| 03:53.50 | Seb | gpm: it's like the whole ieee1394 went AWOL |
| 03:54.01 | gpm | Seb: i'm stumped...maybe try another firewire card if you can |
| 03:54.01 | liable | nvz: at least it might help to start where the problem lays |
| 03:54.05 | gpm | it might be buggy hardware |
| 03:54.12 | liable | s/lays/lies/ |
| 03:54.19 | Seb | gpm: it doesn't even fucking see any firewire devices afaitc |
| 03:54.22 | en1gma | a K8 = x86_x64 right? is there anyway to pick a k8 and disable the x64 extensions |
| 03:54.26 | De_Mon | rking yea i had to make a few tweaks but it got me going |
| 03:54.32 | gpm | Seb: you mean, nothing about firewire in lspci? |
| 03:54.34 | nvz | liable: hah, you sound optimistic. I highly doubt it.. last I used pump its anything but verbose or standard |
| 03:54.35 | en1gma | im talking in the kernel .config |
| 03:54.43 | Seb | gpm: my firewire *adapter* is there |
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| 03:55.10 | en1gma | does a K8 with x64 extensions disabled = a K7 |
| 03:55.14 | gpm | Seb: sounds like buggy hardware :( but i am no expert. |
| 03:55.17 | rking | De_Mon: cool, good deal |
| 03:55.22 | gpm | Seb: it could be the driver |
| 03:55.30 | gpm | Seb: but my money's on the hardware |
| 03:55.43 | gpm | Seb: i'm assuming you have the proper modules loaded? |
| 03:55.46 | Seb | gpm: well going back to .20 or .18 should work. I mean, it was working like 20 minutes ago :\ |
| 03:55.59 | Seb | gpm: yeah, ieee1394, ohci1394 and sbp2 |
| 03:56.06 | nvz | en1gma: does a mustang with ferrari rims = a ferrari? |
| 03:56.18 | en1gma | yes? |
| 03:56.29 | Seb | gpm: but the first 2 ones should be enough to show at least something in syslog |
| 03:56.36 | en1gma | gonna have to do a better ananlogy then that please. |
| 03:57.01 | dooplex | Hi... How do I change the keyboard layout on a running etch box? I built it using a UK keyboard, but now it has a US one... |
| 03:57.10 | gpm | Seb: yeah i'm stumped. i have a real flaky firewire card. it's capricious about when it even shows up in lspci |
| 03:57.11 | en1gma | first you are adding something....where as i am subtracting |
| 03:57.31 | Seb | gpm: hmm |
| 03:57.39 | Seb | gpm: i've rebooted quite a few times already :( |
| 03:57.47 | Seb | gpm: not sure what I can try next |
| 03:57.55 | nvz | en1gma: ok fine, does a fat ugly person without clothes on = sexy? |
| 03:57.55 | gpm | Seb: yeah. but you've been using this for a while with no troubles? |
| 03:58.01 | Seb | gpm: how would I figure out if this adapter itself is recognized right now ? |
| 03:58.10 | Seb | gpm: like 2 years, yeah |
| 03:58.11 | gpm | Seb: lspci, right? |
| 03:58.15 | gpm | dmesg |
| 03:58.17 | en1gma | havent you seen fat models before? |
| 03:58.29 | Seb | gpm: well lspci shows the adapter it's there. It doesn't tell me if the kernel knows how to talk to it, iirc |
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| 03:58.38 | Seb | s/it's/is/ |
| 03:58.53 | gpm | Seb: oh i see. i don't know. the only other thing i can think of is to try it on another os if you're dual booting |
| 03:59.04 | Dreamlinux | hi! |
| 03:59.09 | gpm | Seb: :( |
| 03:59.26 | gpm | that sucks dude |
| 03:59.29 | gpm | !beer Seb |
| 03:59.34 | Amarande | nvz: how does a fat person = ugly? |
| 03:59.42 | Seb | gpm: no dual boot :\ |
| 03:59.54 | gpm | Seb: me neither. try the drives on usb, is that possible? |
| 03:59.57 | Dreamlinux | i have a problem with mysql version 5.0.32-7etch1 |
| 03:59.59 | Seb | gpm: hrm, didn't notice that: upon loading ohci1394, i get a PHY timeout it seems |
| 04:00.09 | Seb | PHY reg timeout to be precise |
| 04:00.20 | gpm | good luck |
| 04:00.22 | nvz | Amarande: I said fat and ugly |
| 04:00.46 | gpm | hah! nice exit message |
| 04:00.55 | simonrvn | oooh this new ernel is nice... so far ;) |
| 04:01.12 | liable | nvz: yeah, its not particularly verbose, and it just left my card in a bad state.. |
| 04:01.13 | Amarande | simonrvn, it's a uality build, isn't it :) |
| 04:01.14 | simonrvn | /quit and he probably sucks |
| 04:01.31 | simonrvn | not gpm heh |
| 04:01.34 | en1gma | ok i got agood question....i have an amd64 x2 proc.....i have i386 debian sid installed.....to use the nvidia binary driver for x86 which kernel should i be running |
| 04:01.41 | Dreamlinux | this my problem: #1045 - Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 04:01.44 | nvz | Amarande: /me isnt fat. 5'11" about 155lbs now since it warmed up |
| 04:01.48 | nvz | er sorry |
| 04:02.04 | en1gma | does the amd64-k8 kernel mean i should be running debian x64 |
| 04:02.04 | nvz | tab completed by accident |
| 04:02.04 | simonrvn | Amarande: same conf, but debian patches + vanilla |
| 04:02.04 | karsten | Dreamlinux: Access via what protocol? |
| 04:02.06 | simonrvn | and 2.6.21 |
| 04:02.09 | Dreamlinux | hi dude |
| 04:02.18 | karsten | Dreamlinux: Note that most sane systems disable root access for remote shell logins (eg: ssh). |
| 04:02.19 | simonrvn | the -4 debian patch version |
| 04:02.19 | Amarande | en1gma, as far as I know, the 64 bit kernel will do both 32 and 64 bit userspace equally well |
| 04:02.26 | Dreamlinux | http://localhost/phpmyadmin |
| 04:02.33 | simonrvn | karsten: that's mysql |
| 04:02.37 | Amarande | the only glitch I've heard of is with flash, which will insist that your arch isn't compatible, even if all you run is 32 bit userspace |
| 04:02.41 | karsten | Dreamlinux: Dear sweet ghot, don't. |
| 04:02.49 | karsten | Oh wait.... |
| 04:02.55 | karsten | Dreamlinux: Nevermind, NFC.!nfc |
| 04:03.02 | Dreamlinux | jeje.. |
| 04:03.13 | simonrvn | Dreamlinux: check your access privs for the host |
| 04:03.17 | Amarande | I run the k7 kernel anyway, since I don't do anything 64 bit right now |
| 04:03.19 | en1gma | Amarande see the other day i had installed debian i386 and switched to a amd64 k8 kernel and the nvidia binary driver said i needed real debian amd64 x64 distro |
| 04:03.28 | en1gma | or it was the other way around |
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| 04:03.30 | nvz | I just realized recently trying to play videos online I got yet another fucking web plugin to worry about out there .. apparently these damn DivX idiots got their own web player now and doesnt have a linux plugin |
| 04:03.49 | Amarande | en1gma, you probably need 64 bit tools to properly build the source associated with that binary driver |
| 04:03.52 | en1gma | where i had installed debian amd64 and tried to down grade my kernel to k7 then the nvidia driver x86 wouldnt install |
| 04:04.02 | Dreamlinux | but... when i execute the service... # mysql --skyp-grant-tables.. cero problem |
| 04:04.03 | en1gma | ahhh |
| 04:04.13 | simonrvn | Dreamlinux: you probably don't have rights as that user... dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server (might be slighly different name, i.e. with the version in it) |
| 04:04.14 | dooplex | Does anyone here know how to change the keymap on a running Etch box? I want to go from UK to US... |
| 04:04.15 | Dreamlinux | skip* |
| 04:04.25 | en1gma | so the nvidia binary driver is actually looking at the distro and not the kernel? |
| 04:04.30 | simonrvn | or wrong password |
| 04:04.32 | Amarande | in particular, I'm pretty sure kernel hates drivers that aren't built with the exact same gcc |
| 04:04.34 | Dreamlinux | i use the root!! |
| 04:04.42 | simonrvn | so? |
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| 04:05.08 | karsten | dooplex: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. |
| 04:05.20 | Amarande | for the most part though, there's no really good reason yet to run the amd64 version of debian |
| 04:05.27 | Amarande | at least, I haven't found a good reason to yet on my 4200+ X2 |
| 04:05.42 | Dreamlinux | ok. wait me please! |
| 04:05.54 | en1gma | damn i need to figure out why im running this k7 kernel....for some reason i was thinking when i went from debian amd64 to i386 the highest kernel i could use in 32bit was K7 |
| 04:06.18 | en1gma | i know why |
| 04:06.28 | Amarande | the amd64 kernel will run 32 bit binaries :| |
| 04:06.40 | cafuego | Amarande: I've found amd64 ffmpeg is about twice as fast as i386 ffmpeg here. |
| 04:06.42 | en1gma | cause when i dlaoded debian amd64 it came with the amd64 kernel and 64bit libs |
| 04:06.53 | dooplex | Thx karsten, however I'm not running X - console only. Is there another dpkg-reconfigure command for that? |
| 04:07.11 | en1gma | so it made me think that if i went to i386 debian i would have to go 1 lower then amd64-k8 kernel |
| 04:07.25 | simonrvn | what a fricking relief being able to use that nice ultra2 scsi card... |
| 04:07.28 | karsten | dooplex: There's a whole set of console keymaps as well, I forget the configuration tools and/or locations. |
| 04:07.52 | Amarande | simonrvn: SCSI should get brought back as the standard |
| 04:07.58 | cafuego | I guess I should check what the md raid5 performance is like under 64bit vs 32bit. |
| 04:08.06 | Amarande | there'd probably be a hell of a lot less complaints about hardware problems if it was. |
| 04:08.14 | Dreamlinux | the other problem with mysql is when i want stop the service... | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed! :( |
| 04:08.24 | dooplex | karsten, that's cool... You've put me on the right track. Cheers. |
| 04:08.28 | karsten | Dreamlinux: consolechars might get you there. |
| 04:08.30 | Amarande | Especially compared with SATA, which seems to be a minefield from what I know. |
| 04:08.35 | karsten | Dreamlinux: NM. |
| 04:08.39 | en1gma | cafuego ive done it for bios-raid and 64bit is pretty good now... |
| 04:08.45 | karsten | dooplex: Um, above, but nope, that's not it. |
| 04:08.50 | Dreamlinux | ok.. dpkg-reconfigure mysql ;) |
| 04:08.55 | Amarande | I think if I need to upgrade my drives, I'll get a SCSI card instead of going SATA. |
| 04:09.02 | cafuego | en1gma: I don't use bios raid |
| 04:09.07 | Amarande | heh, my motherboard throws features at me that I basically just don't use |
| 04:09.09 | en1gma | i have 4 drives in sata and it r0xx0rs |
| 04:09.13 | Amarande | I've got 2 builtin ethernet ports. I use a PCI card. :) |
| 04:09.14 | en1gma | i get 200MBs |
| 04:09.18 | Amarande | It gives tons of SATA, and I'd get SCSI. |
| 04:09.41 | cafuego | Amarande: I'd go sata; way cheaper, so just add more hot spares. |
| 04:09.56 | karsten | dooplex: Might be somewhere else in console-tools though. |
| 04:09.58 | Amarande | cafuego, SATA is cheaper for a reason, though |
| 04:10.00 | en1gma | if your not a business server i definately say go sata raid |
| 04:10.05 | simonrvn | ide crap |
| 04:10.37 | Amarande | IDE, the Windows of disk drive standards. :) |
| 04:10.42 | karsten | swolbhsub: Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but that's past annoying already |
| 04:10.42 | cafuego | Amarande: Yup... but your higher end 5Yr warranty SATA drive will outlive the server it's in anyway. Why bother spending more? |
| 04:10.47 | simonrvn | swolbhsub: we get it, and agree, but stop with the nick changing, thanks |
| 04:10.56 | en1gma | i hear so many people knock non-scsi raid...and its really funny cause a drive is still just a drive...scsi and ide and sata are just different interfaces....the actually platters and the armature are the same |
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| 04:11.10 | Amarande | well ... I can't quite recall offhand which SATA brands are good and which suck |
| 04:11.15 | simonrvn | typical consumerist answer cafuego ;) |
| 04:11.19 | swolbhsub | simonrvn: I had to fix it |
| 04:11.20 | Amarande | apparently there's a brand or two that are better called data destroyers than disk drives |
| 04:11.30 | simonrvn | swolbhsub: oh ok, nm me then |
| 04:11.31 | en1gma | i use WD and they rock |
| 04:11.37 | swolbhsub | lol |
| 04:11.40 | karsten | Amarande: Heh. |
| 04:11.43 | cast | i thought all major hd makers were about equal |
| 04:11.48 | en1gma | i have had 4 80gigers in a raid0 before i got these 4 250gigers in a raid0 |
| 04:11.51 | cast | for example i have a dead 320GB WD here |
| 04:11.52 | Amarande | Some would say the reason you run SATA in RAID is because running consumer grade SATA disks without redundancy is madness. :) |
| 04:11.59 | en1gma | my son has the 4 80gigers in a raid0 still |
| 04:12.16 | karsten | Amarande: My experience is that the locus of crappiness tends to shift over time. Even the usually reliable mfrs can have a bad run. |
| 04:12.19 | cast | and a dead 300 samsung, a 6gb dying quantum [which i was quite impressed with] |
| 04:12.21 | simonrvn | merging the best of scsi and sata would probably be the way to go |
| 04:12.32 | Amarande | yeah, I remember when even WD had its defective phase |
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| 04:12.35 | karsten | Amarande: All the same I tend to avoid Maxtor if possible. |
| 04:12.36 | Amarande | somehow, I managed to just avoid that |
| 04:12.50 | Amarande | Apparently WD drives *between* 2.1GB and 8.4GB were ... iffy |
| 04:12.57 | karsten | Amarande: Sad story: Seagate bought Maxtor. |
| 04:12.57 | Amarande | But I didn't upgrade from 2.1 until I got an 8.4 |
| 04:13.12 | Amarande | karsten, yeah, which makes Seagate iffy now too, because you don't know if you're getting a Seagate or a Maxtor |
| 04:13.16 | karsten | Amarande: I've got a set of ~10 y.o. Seagates. Last time I spun them up they were fine. |
| 04:13.16 | en1gma | i have a 13.5 gig maxtor that im running debian with and everytime i boot it pops up a s.m.a.r.t error at post saying to replace the drive and backup my data NOW! and its been like that for over a month |
| 04:13.21 | en1gma | still trucking along |
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| 04:13.37 | karsten | en1gma: Dude, your data, your problem. |
| 04:13.44 | en1gma | its only debian |
| 04:13.55 | simonrvn | i find mine in the garbage... if it runs stably for a while then i'll use it ;). usually if it can't be seen or won't take a partitioning in linux it's dead |
| 04:13.56 | Amarande | en1gma, think of it this way |
| 04:13.59 | en1gma | ill just goto a live cd if that fails |
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| 04:14.02 | Amarande | new hard drive, even 80GB now is about $40 these days |
| 04:14.07 | Amarande | data recovery services, $1000+ |
| 04:14.13 | en1gma | which reminds me i really need to make a custom debian-live cd |
| 04:14.22 | Amarande | don't you have, well, personal data? |
| 04:14.31 | karsten | Amarande: Bingo WRT recovery. |
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| 04:14.39 | Amarande | that reminds me, I probably should get into the market for a new hard drive soon |
| 04:14.45 | Amarande | I've had this one a few years now |
| 04:14.53 | en1gma | Amarande with my 4 250s in a raid0 i get over 200MBs "AVG" read and write |
| 04:15.00 | en1gma | like 600MB burst |
| 04:15.17 | Amarande | ahh, the maxtor just runs the OS, then? |
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| 04:15.47 | simonrvn | i have a drive that runs fine except for one partition o_O. i don't mount that one ;) |
| 04:16.06 | en1gma | yea maxtor actually saved my ass cause i havent had linux installed on a hd for like 2years.....i have my other 4 drives in a raid0 bios-raid and everyone knows liunux dont like it when windows is installed there too |
| 04:16.21 | en1gma | so for last 2 years i been using live cds which really suck |
| 04:16.21 | simonrvn | 9 gb seagate, as it happens |
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| 04:16.37 | cast | why have 4 drives in raid0? |
| 04:16.43 | debianuser | for linux, should i stay away from ATI video cards |
| 04:16.53 | Amarande | debianuser, you should stay away from ATI video cards in general |
| 04:17.00 | en1gma | OS loads really quick and i when i play games on net im first one in game |
| 04:17.09 | en1gma | i can get any vehicle i want in bf2 |
| 04:17.11 | en1gma | :) |
| 04:17.11 | Amarande | first, ATI tech isn't as good |
| 04:17.28 | debianuser | ok, nvidia it is |
| 04:17.29 | Amarande | Case in point: Roughly speaking, the ATI X1 series is correspondent to the GeForce 7 series |
| 04:17.31 | en1gma | ATI is actually talking about open sourcing their drivers |
| 04:17.41 | Amarande | the nVidia 7600 GREATLY outperforms the ATI X1600. |
| 04:18.08 | en1gma | yea but an x800 beats the hell out of a 7600 |
| 04:18.17 | en1gma | x800xt |
| 04:18.18 | Amarande | en1gma, an x800 is properly compared to a 6800 |
| 04:18.31 | en1gma | yea that sounds right |
| 04:18.39 | Amarande | probably 6800 Ultra, if you're looking at the XT |
| 04:18.42 | en1gma | but it still beats a 7600 |
| 04:18.58 | Amarande | then again, I have two 7600's in full-width SLI |
| 04:19.03 | Amarande | which probably skews things, a lot :) |
| 04:19.04 | en1gma | and its pretty cheap |
| 04:19.13 | Amarande | that's x16 SLI mind you, not x8 |
| 04:19.18 | en1gma | oh well sli is diff story :) |
| 04:19.41 | en1gma | that is my board |
| 04:19.42 | Kumbi | i have intel d975xbx2 |
| 04:19.47 | en1gma | i have it |
| 04:20.03 | Amarande | I used to have a Jetway 939GT4-SLI-G. That was the Yugo of Socket 939. :) |
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| 04:20.25 | en1gma | i was gonna get an asrock (back then they were new and cheap too) |
| 04:20.33 | Amarande | The one good thing to come out of the GeForce 7900 incident last year was that I got a decent mobo |
| 04:20.38 | en1gma | asrock kinda has a good name now |
| 04:20.53 | en1gma | 7900 is good card too |
| 04:21.44 | Amarande | 7900 is risky, it's why I use 7600x2 SLI |
| 04:21.57 | Amarande | A lot of 7900s have an insidious heat problem that isn't easily diagnosed unless you know about it beforehand |
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| 04:22.18 | Amarande | Such was the problem with the BFG 7900GT I returned to Best Buy last year after a couple weeks of testing |
| 04:22.21 | tritium | yarddog: ping |
| 04:22.21 | en1gma | this 8800gtx on a cool day is 75C |
| 04:22.32 | en1gma | right now i think its idling at 110C |
| 04:22.34 | Amarande | Thank the Light Best Buy is good with $300+ returns |
| 04:22.38 | Dreamlinux | Karsten: are yoy there dude?? :) |
| 04:22.39 | en1gma | and i have 4 65 CFM fans |
| 04:23.12 | nomasteryoda | i spent extra cash and got zallman heatpipe and block on my nvidia card... it never stalls now... those small fans suc |
| 04:23.15 | en1gma | this computer "literally" makes my room at least 15F hotter |
| 04:23.36 | Amarande | my 7600GT is running at 45C right now |
| 04:23.42 | Amarande | I'm STILL not sure if SLI is actually active. |
| 04:23.46 | en1gma | oh thats what i was wanting |
| 04:23.49 | Amarande | I'm not entirely sure how this is checked, either. |
| 04:23.58 | en1gma | my mb and cpu temps arent showing up in superkaramba |
| 04:24.04 | Amarande | Do you need two separate Device entries in the xorg conf? |
| 04:24.05 | en1gma | what are you using |
| 04:24.08 | Dreamlinux | Karsten: thanx ... its work fine |
| 04:24.11 | Amarande | Or is the SLI pair seen as only a single GPU by X? |
| 04:24.25 | en1gma | who? |
| 04:24.43 | en1gma | ive never had sli |
| 04:24.48 | en1gma | so im not sure |
| 04:25.03 | dooplex | karsten, thx ... "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" was what I was looking for. |
| 04:25.14 | en1gma | Amarande what module do you have installed to see you mb temps and proc temps |
| 04:25.27 | en1gma | im going to need to install it too and since we have same mb :) |
| 04:25.36 | Amarande | en1gma, I don't have one for the mobo right now |
| 04:25.43 | Amarande | I see the graphics card temp through nvidia-settings |
| 04:25.44 | en1gma | crap |
| 04:25.49 | en1gma | me too |
| 04:25.54 | en1gma | let me look at mine right now |
| 04:25.56 | en1gma | 1 sec |
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| 04:26.21 | simonrvn | that pos doesn't know about my card anymore |
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| 04:26.32 | en1gma | gpu core temp = 74C |
| 04:26.54 | nvz | O.O |
| 04:26.55 | en1gma | and that is with 4 damn fans |
| 04:27.10 | simonrvn | ERROR: NV-CONTROL extension version 1.6 is too old; the minimimum required version is 1.11. |
| 04:27.12 | en1gma | i read somewhere that this vcard can do boiling point with no probs |
| 04:27.14 | nvz | !x degc degf 74 |
| 04:27.14 | en1gma | 165C |
| 04:27.17 | Dreamlinux | thank karsten |
| 04:27.22 | Dreamlinux | a lot!! |
| 04:27.26 | en1gma | BUT the other circuitry around it will fry |
| 04:27.31 | simonrvn | it's even got a fricking typo... |
| 04:27.46 | simonrvn | 'minimimum' |
| 04:28.04 | en1gma | alumuminium |
| 04:28.06 | en1gma | :) |
| 04:28.34 | nvz | I actually looked aluminium up in the dictionary once |
| 04:28.43 | cafuego | well there ya go, raid is rebuilding at 34Mb/sec |
| 04:28.48 | nvz | felt stupid when I realized what it was |
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| 04:29.07 | en1gma | raid1? |
| 04:29.18 | cafuego | raid5 |
| 04:29.21 | nvz | guy broke it into syllables and sang it in a song "Al - u - mini - um" and I didnt recognise it |
| 04:29.29 | en1gma | i would think it would be faster then that |
| 04:29.33 | waqjan | how do I change gcc's target? |
| 04:29.34 | Amarande | Aluminium is actually the proper spelling of the element now |
| 04:29.35 | en1gma | are all your drives matched |
| 04:29.43 | cafuego | It's not my fastest drive |
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| 04:29.52 | cafuego | oh hold on |
| 04:30.01 | en1gma | ah |
| 04:30.31 | nvz | Amarande: eh? wasn't it always? |
| 04:30.42 | en1gma | yea when i spelled alum...i was having fun with simonrvn and his minimimum |
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| 04:32.21 | en1gma | nvz .just reading you quote about alum and the dictionary...made me think of this guy i knew that told me "WE" mined the moon because thats where all the boxite came from to make alum |
| 04:32.30 | en1gma | he was not joking when he told me this |
| 04:32.41 | en1gma | and he was trying to convince me it was |
| 04:33.02 | en1gma | you would have had to be there |
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| 04:33.27 | nvz | My father used to work for the Aluminum Company Of America (ALCOA) but Almatis Inc. bought out their chemical division so he works for them now |
| 04:33.39 | en1gma | sweet |
| 04:33.52 | en1gma | i used to be a machinist thats how i know about metals |
| 04:34.01 | nvz | he went to china twice already this year for Almatis |
| 04:34.07 | en1gma | btw we used to get our mtrls straight from alcoa |
| 04:34.14 | en1gma | nice :) |
| 04:34.24 | en1gma | get some geyshas :) |
| 04:35.06 | en1gma | i have a cousin that has a sweet job that involves lots of world travel |
| 04:35.23 | en1gma | sets up medical equipment in hospitals |
| 04:35.53 | en1gma | well he used to set it up now he engineers it |
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| 04:36.08 | Amarande | nvz: apparently it used to be Aluminum |
| 04:36.12 | Amarande | Now it's Aluminium |
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| 04:36.33 | en1gma | Amarande wow i never knew it had a diff spelling |
| 04:36.39 | en1gma | nice factoid |
| 04:37.13 | nvz | yeah real nice.. considering the song I was referring to was called new frontier.. and that was obviously the point he was making in the song when he sang "Al u mini um" |
| 04:37.18 | en1gma | i still pronounce it like the 1st spelling you gave |
| 04:37.25 | nvz | he says "And the word that you wanted was Al u mini um" |
| 04:37.26 | ryty_ | has anyone had this message appear before: pnp: Device 00:07 activated./npnp: Device 00:07 disabled. |
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| 04:37.39 | nvz | ugh.. I realized that apparently this divx plugin they made is nothing but a shitty activex control to embed divx so I tried installing mozilla-mplayer to mimic it, and well it required iceweasel be installed since I am still using firefox from when etch was testing.. and it also wanted "mplayer" which apparently conflicts with the mplayer-k6/7 that I have installed already and I got broken packages now *sigh* |
| 04:37.50 | ryty_ | Or, does anyone know what this might clue in to? |
| 04:37.56 | Dreamlinux | see ya all.. |
| 04:37.57 | nvz | I guess I gotta bitch at Christian Marillat for this one |
| 04:37.58 | Dreamlinux | bytes!! |
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| 04:38.20 | en1gma | lol |
| 04:38.23 | nvz | mplayer should conflict with mplayer-k6/7 which it doesnt |
| 04:38.38 | en1gma | so the conflict is there is no conflict? |
| 04:39.07 | nvz | the conflict is that what mplayer is trying to do (overwrite files that belong to another package) is against policy |
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| 04:39.22 | nvz | it should have that packages name in its conflicts header |
| 04:39.34 | nvz | so that its removed BEFORE you install mplayer |
| 04:39.38 | en1gma | yep so the conflict is there is no conflicy. |
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| 04:40.28 | en1gma | guess i gonna watch some more aliases |
| 04:40.30 | en1gma | bbiab |
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| 04:40.53 | nvz | ugh I am at a loss for how to fix this now.. |
| 04:41.50 | en1gma | uninstall both apps and reinstall |
| 04:42.16 | en1gma | uninstall the last app that was installed |
| 04:42.16 | nvz | cant uninstall them i have broken packages |
| 04:42.29 | en1gma | then install the first app so you can uninstall right |
| 04:42.47 | nvz | cant do anything until mplayer issue is resolved which cant be resolved till mplayer-k7/6 is removed |
| 04:42.57 | en1gma | crap |
| 04:43.07 | nvz | which cant be removed until mplayer is installed :P |
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| 04:43.13 | nvz | endless loop of PIMA |
| 04:43.22 | nvz | which is why someone invented aptitude |
| 04:43.36 | en1gma | i bet i have that same mplayer installed cause right now i have the k7 kernel installed |
| 04:43.42 | nvz | cause its smarter than your average package manager |
| 04:43.51 | en1gma | im about ready to switch to the k8 kernel |
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| 04:44.48 | nvz | i foolishly used synaptic, is what got me into this mess |
| 04:44.53 | nvz | aptitude is gonna bail me out |
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| 04:46.07 | nvz | ctually I think I can -f this bastart |
| 04:46.27 | nvz | ugh.. I'm still in a broken packages loop |
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| 04:48.30 | nvz | if aptitude wasnt so S L O W I'd use it more often.. but its scoring system and resolution proposals are great |
| 04:49.25 | nvz | I dont understand why removals dont come first anyhow |
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| 04:49.50 | nvz | I've told 3 different package managers to fucking remove the conflicting package and it still keeps breaking and trying to install before removal |
| 04:50.15 | nvz | I mean I got it fixed now, but damn.. never would have happened in the first place if removals happened before installs |
| 04:50.36 | nvz | or if christian marillat didnt screw up :P |
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| 04:53.37 | homecable | whats the best way to make a router with pppoe |
| 04:53.40 | nvz | actually I guess I am blaming the wrong person |
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| 04:54.39 | grendal_prime | ok i have some scripts ive been running in an rc.local file. am i crazy or..well i keep reading all sorts of things that say that debian does not use a bsd style rc.local file?? |
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| 04:55.08 | grendal_prime | i want to get the details on when this file is run for some documentation.. |
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| 04:56.16 | grendal_prime | nevermind dpkg had the answer |
| 04:56.38 | nvz | seems Ari Pollak, an A Manucci are the ones who screwed up. cause both mplayer and mozilla-mplayer packages have errors. mplayer should conflict with other versions of the package, and mozilla-mplayer should have an OR on the depends for mplayer |
| 04:57.09 | nvz | I never had a problem with Marillat's packages before I knew something seemed wrong |
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| 04:58.54 | nvz | either way when I get a minute I am emailing all three of them |
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| 05:01.16 | nvz | quick question.. do users of iceweasel see iceweasel in the title bar or firefox? |
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| 05:02.18 | nvz | cause I think I just fucked up here.. heh I installed iceweasel and removed firefox with stuff open I was working on.. and tried to hit "help > about" and think I just froze firefox which was only running in memory and doesnt exist anymore :P |
| 05:04.07 | zepmantra | hello, what is the experimental codename now ? |
| 05:04.26 | nvz | zepmantra: experimental isnt a distro and doesnt have a code name |
| 05:04.29 | markw | zepmantra: smith. |
| 05:04.46 | nvz | zepmantra: experimental and unstable are different |
| 05:05.18 | zepmantra | thanks for the info ... :) |
| 05:05.32 | markw | zepmantra: sid will always be unstable. |
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| 05:05.41 | markw | just like his character in the movie. |
| 05:05.47 | Seb | nvz: iceweasel here |
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| 05:05.51 | zepmantra | ic |
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| 05:09.00 | nvz | Seb: heh, then I fucked up.. I had loaded video windows open I was gonna atch in firefox, then opened iceweasel from the menu and seen it still said firefox and hit help about and now that window is froze, but I cant kill it or I loose my vdeo heh |
| 05:09.10 | nvz | Seb: I gotta wait till I'm done now to kill it |
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| 05:09.50 | dunker | !info gozerbot |
| 05:09.53 | dpkg | gozerbot: (An IRC and Jabber bot written in Python), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.4.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 255 kB, Installed size: 1480 kB |
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| 05:15.58 | markw | zepmantra: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 05:16.31 | markw | dpkg: releases? |
| 05:16.32 | dpkg | methinks releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 05:17.14 | Amarande | !info beryl |
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| 05:17.26 | Amarande | bah, when is someone going to make a beryl package |
| 05:17.43 | Coweater | september, yoroshiku |
| 05:17.44 | Amarande | is there anything in debian policy preventing it, or are people just not interested enough to maintain it? |
| 05:18.02 | Coweater | do it yourself |
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| 05:18.58 | liable | xsf has it packaged i believe, last i heard they were waiting on some license issues, or maybe waiting for the merge |
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| 05:22.34 | Amarande | seen in apt-cache showsrc - "architectures: hurd-i386" |
| 05:22.41 | jibberish | im trying to use ctrl + c without dling additional app like glipper, anyone know command to copy just text? |
| 05:22.42 | Amarande | does anyone actually even run HURD? :) |
| 05:23.07 | Amarande | I thought that was pretty much an experiment that never really got off the ground |
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| 05:32.49 | unlink | why might sound not work after resuming from a suspend? |
| 05:34.09 | cilkay | Hello. I've been burning CDs with k3b on Etch for months. I just tried now and no device is detected. It was working the last time I used it but the only thing that has changed is I did a system update since then. Any ideas? |
| 05:34.33 | cilkay | unlink: the sound module might be unloaded. do an lsmod and see if it's still there |
| 05:34.37 | unlink | cilkay: it is |
| 05:34.56 | unlink | cilkay: the volume is set at the same level; nothing is muted |
| 05:35.15 | cilkay | hibernate/suspend has never worked reliably for me on Linux. I suspect it is very much computer-specific. |
| 05:35.30 | cilkay | .. so I just don't bother with hibernate/suspend |
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| 05:37.42 | en1gma | in your bootloader make sure that it has hibernation pointint to your swap partition |
| 05:37.44 | en1gma | ive seen it pointed in wrong area before |
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| 05:39.35 | Bogus8 | why does rsync with --compress take longer to transfer over 100mb network than with out the compress option? (pc hardware limiting it?) it is weak hardware but it wasn't MAXED just 75% to rsync ;) |
| 05:40.04 | pihhan | you dont need compress on 100mbit network |
| 05:40.23 | Bogus8 | pihhan: i know, I was just testing... I will be doing this over a 512k line eventually |
| 05:40.27 | pihhan | it is limited by CPU on machines |
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| 05:40.48 | Bogus8 | pihhan: makes sense because it is an old machine pushing the rsync |
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| 05:40.51 | Bogus8 | and recieving |
| 05:42.09 | Bogus8 | I just looked at top with no compression and ssh is now taking up a big chunk of the cpu so it must have been maxed before |
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| 05:43.20 | tanlaan | Anyone know of a CLI AIM program? |
| 05:43.31 | Bogus8 | tanlaan: I use bitlbee |
| 05:43.36 | Bogus8 | it works via IRC |
| 05:43.39 | Bogus8 | I love it |
| 05:43.49 | Coweater | bitlbee, naim, finch |
| 05:44.01 | tanlaan | thanks =] |
| 05:44.15 | tanlaan | is lynx the best CLI web browser? |
| 05:44.17 | Bogus8 | there was also an ncursers client that worked on a few networks that was pretty slick looking but I already run irssi 24/7 so there isn't much overhead adding it to irc |
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| 05:44.46 | Bogus8 | tanlaan: I'd guess... I rarely use CLI www just for testing and in a pinch |
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| 05:44.47 | Coweater | centericq as well |
| 05:45.10 | tanlaan | Well I've decided to keep this *secondary* computer only CLI |
| 05:45.22 | dorao | how can I rerun the x configuration program that was run during install? |
| 05:45.32 | Bogus8 | yeah, I think that was the ncurses one I used (centericq) |
| 05:45.36 | tabris|away | tanlaan: try elinks |
| 05:45.38 | Bogus8 | I know I looked at that one |
| 05:45.39 | Coweater | dorao: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 05:46.01 | dorao | already did that... |
| 05:46.12 | tanlaan | tabris|away : Ok, I will. |
| 05:46.21 | Bogus8 | tanlaan: I have a server that runs CLI only (obviously) and I do most of my communicating through ssh and that machine... only web browse on GUI |
| 05:47.01 | tanlaan | Ok, well I will be back later |
| 05:47.17 | dorao | Coweater I did that already, X comes up with a gray screen some weird blocks... |
| 05:47.27 | valdyn | Bogus8: a decent cpu could easily saturate a 100mbit network with compression ( gzip ), not sure what rsync uses |
| 05:47.42 | Coweater | have you installed a window manager or desktop environment? |
| 05:47.56 | Bogus8 | valdyn: well, 800mhz sending 866mhz recieving wouldn't be "decent" probably ;) |
| 05:47.59 | tabris|away | valdyn: rsync uses zlib/gzip. however, it _can_ be more efficient due to it just compressing the differences. |
| 05:48.01 | dorao | Coweater yeah, I'm going from a dual screen to single... |
| 05:48.17 | bolt | Note to self: don't put a star in front of the hour on the backup crontab |
| 05:48.24 | bolt | backup running 60 times at once. swell. |
| 05:48.35 | dorao | Coweater the last time I upgraded things, nvidia-kernel package broke... so I was going back to a single display |
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| 05:53.34 | EdwardElric | hello |
| 05:54.15 | EdwardElric | is there any way i can have vsftpd and proftpd installed at the same time using aptitude? i want to run them on different ports... |
| 05:55.09 | tabris|away | not sure why you'd ever want to do that |
| 05:56.56 | EdwardElric | because, some ppl have different preferences on ftpd |
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| 05:56.59 | EdwardElric | customers |
| 05:57.33 | Bogus8 | EdwardElric: the customers logging in what different deamons? |
| 05:57.44 | Bogus8 | or will they be config'ing the daemons themselves? |
| 05:57.46 | tabris|away | I'd suggest making vsftpd lie and claim it's proftpd |
| 05:58.07 | cilkay | I'd suggest not installing ftp at all and only allowing scp/sftp. |
| 05:58.08 | EdwardElric | logging in |
| 05:58.21 | qiyong | !postfixadmin |
| 05:58.24 | Bogus8 | then for sure I'd just go with what *I* want as the admin and let them deal |
| 05:58.29 | qiyong | postfixadmin no longer in debian? |
| 05:59.03 | EdwardElric | they like the way vsftpd handles ascii mode |
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| 05:59.17 | Bogus8 | if they are whining about which daemon you are using then they'll probabloy whine about using an "odd" port also ;) |
| 05:59.21 | EdwardElric | it pretends to handle it, but really doesnt...neat little trick... |
| 06:00.29 | cilkay | I have *very* non-technical using various clients on OS X and WinSCP on Windows. Once you get them past that first hurdle of generating keys and such, it's a breeze. |
| 06:00.32 | EdwardElric | ill just install it outside of apt...since it isnt gonna let me lol |
| 06:01.27 | Bogus8 | I want to be one of your customers... so I can push you around ;) |
| 06:01.38 | EdwardElric | lol |
| 06:01.43 | EdwardElric | customer/friend |
| 06:01.52 | EdwardElric | i wouldnt do it for just anyone :P |
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| 06:05.25 | scx | it feels fine when the canel is not full |
| 06:05.33 | scx | err: chanel |
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| 06:07.05 | ma3x | hello |
| 06:07.08 | Seb | scx: channel, even |
| 06:07.21 | Seb | ma3x: sup |
| 06:07.26 | ma3x | I tried to update-initramfs but I get the following error /usr/sbin/update-initramfs: line 221: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 06:07.26 | ma3x | /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-amd64 has been altered. Cannot update. |
| 06:07.46 | Seb | ma3x: running as root, correct ? |
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| 06:09.04 | ma3x | yup |
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| 06:11.19 | ma3x | how can I update the initrd image? |
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| 06:11.33 | ma3x | I currently moved hda2 to hda1 and I can't boot |
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| 06:12.59 | ma3x | and now i got this japanese 64 bit live cd, where I can't find the keys |
| 06:13.06 | Bogus8 | how long does rsync --server run if you prematurely kill the rsync from the client side (via CTRL+C) |
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| 06:14.50 | tanlaan | I need help with the program screen. I just apt-get install-ed it and right now it will only run under root. |
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| 06:16.06 | ma3x | is there debian japanese channel? |
| 06:16.13 | ma3x | there is some message i dont understand |
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| 06:16.46 | cafuego | !jp |
| 06:16.46 | dpkg | from memory, jp is Japan |
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| 06:17.23 | ma3x | lol |
| 06:17.30 | ma3x | brb |
| 06:18.13 | Vinegaroon | How can I stop knetworkmanager from automatically starting when I login? |
| 06:18.25 | Bogus8 | tanlaan: hmm, I've never experienced that |
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| 06:18.47 | Skaag | is there a way to re-apply the settings in sysctl.conf? |
| 06:19.15 | tanlaan | Bogus8 It gives me an error telling me to see /deb/tty1. But that would be the terminal screen I'm in. |
| 06:19.19 | Bogus8 | tanlaan: where is the binary located? |
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| 06:19.35 | tanlaan | Bogus8: I don't know right off hand. |
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| 06:19.46 | Bogus8 | tanlaan: use `which` |
| 06:20.08 | Skaag | ah ok, sysctl -p |
| 06:20.22 | tanlaan | Bogus8: /usr/bin/screen |
| 06:20.34 | tanlaan | Bogus8 right where it should be |
| 06:20.36 | Bogus8 | tanlaan: yep |
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| 06:21.51 | Bogus8 | maybe force apt to reinstall it *shrug* |
| 06:21.58 | Bogus8 | what version of debian are you using? |
| 06:22.06 | tanlaan | Bogus8 nevermind, now it is working |
| 06:22.14 | tanlaan | Bogus8 Unix hiccup. =] |
| 06:22.15 | Bogus8 | tanlaan: any reason? |
| 06:22.42 | Bogus8 | yeah, I never seen that before and was puzzled as to how apt would screw that up |
| 06:22.46 | tanlaan | Bogus8 Have no idea, I tried going to /usr/bin and doing ./screen and it worked. Then I exited and just tried screen and it worked |
| 06:23.05 | Bogus8 | strange |
| 06:23.20 | tanlaan | oh well, it works so I am happy =] |
| 06:23.37 | tanlaan | Bogus8 Thanks for your help |
| 06:23.40 | Bogus8 | I had an IDE pci card that had to be first set up in a windows box before it would work in my linux box *shrug* |
| 06:23.52 | tanlaan | Lol |
| 06:23.53 | Bogus8 | didn't do anything but you are welcome ;) |
| 06:24.01 | tanlaan | Haha, It's fine |
| 06:24.03 | tanlaan | Bye |
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| 06:26.31 | Bogus8 | how long does rsync --server run if you prematurely kill the rsync from the client side (via CTRL+C) |
| 06:26.59 | tabris|away | it'll probably end when the pty is disconnected by ssh timing out |
| 06:27.17 | Bogus8 | tabris|away: any guess on how long that will take? |
| 06:28.02 | tabris|away | not really. i've only configured the timeouts for client-side. |
| 06:29.13 | Bogus8 | no prob, thanks any how |
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| 06:29.38 | Bogus8 | just trying to think of ways i'll script compressions of the backups once they hit the server |
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| 06:32.46 | ma3x | bash: /usr/bin/cut: cannot execute binary file |
| 06:32.48 | ma3x | what's that? |
| 06:32.51 | ma3x | something got corrupted? |
| 06:33.02 | ma3x | it doesn't exist btw |
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| 06:33.50 | ma3x | ugh ugh, /usr/bin/apt-extracttemplates: /usr/bin/apt-extracttemplates: cannot execute binary file |
| 06:34.11 | Bogus8 | that doesn't sound good |
| 06:34.41 | ma3x | I guess moving that partition with gparted fucked my installation seriously |
| 06:34.59 | Amarande | ma3x, you didn't move ld-linux.so.2, did you :| |
| 06:35.30 | ma3x | Amarande I moved hda2 to become hda1 |
| 06:35.34 | ma3x | to occupy the free speace |
| 06:35.43 | qiyong | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.49 | ma3x | and gparted said: 30 minutes wait... grow /dev/hda1 |
| 06:36.05 | ma3x | and then it said again grow /dev/hda1 3h30 mins remaining |
| 06:36.19 | ma3x | can I fix this somehow? |
| 06:36.25 | ma3x | apt-get or dpkg or debconf? |
| 06:37.05 | ma3x | ma3x:/# dpkg -l |
| 06:37.05 | ma3x | dpkg-query: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 265869 package `ivtv-modules-2.6-xen-amd64': |
| 06:37.16 | sep | ma3x, is cut the only binary your missing ? or is perhaps /usr not monuted ? |
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| 06:38.09 | ma3x | I think usr is not mounted |
| 06:38.11 | ma3x | should it be mounted? |
| 06:38.29 | ma3x | sep there are a lot of files missing |
| 06:39.21 | ma3x | well after I moved hda2 to hda1 I did update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 06:39.33 | ma3x | it passed well, except that at boot I get a lot errors |
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| 06:39.42 | ma3x | it loads some unnecessary modules, etc... |
| 06:39.48 | ma3x | anyway where do I start now? |
| 06:40.28 | ma3x | sep to what should be usr mounted? |
| 06:40.47 | sep | ma3x, did you have /usr on a separate partition ? |
| 06:41.08 | ma3x | no |
| 06:41.12 | ma3x | only / |
| 06:41.24 | sep | okay then your SOL |
| 06:42.12 | sep | you can try to reinstall packages to get the binaries back, |
| 06:42.14 | Amarande | yeah, sounds like your system is hosed |
| 06:42.16 | sep | !reinstall |
| 06:42.16 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 06:42.30 | sep | but personaly i'd do a clean install and restore userdata from backup |
| 06:42.59 | sep | since it seams your filesystem have experienced some traumatizing times |
| 06:43.35 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.40 | ma3x | I typed this |
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| 06:44.15 | ma3x | I can't do --get-selections because of dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 265869 package `ivtv-modules-2.6-xen-amd64': |
| 06:45.32 | ma3x | first off, can I somehow restore /usr/bin/apt-extracttemplates: /usr/bin/apt-extracttemplates ? |
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| 06:46.09 | Amarande | hmm, have you ever deleted anything from /var/cache/apt/archives, ma3x? |
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| 06:46.44 | inazad | I need some help with nm-applet... It doesn't see my network anymore... |
| 06:46.48 | ma3x | Amarande nope, but i told you I moved the partition, so some files might got fucked |
| 06:47.00 | Amarande | inazad, are you running static IP on your ethernet? |
| 06:47.05 | inazad | Amarande, no.. |
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| 06:47.23 | inazad | Amarande, DHCP |
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| 06:47.29 | Amarande | inazad, odd then |
| 06:47.38 | Amarande | I know if you use static IPs, nm-applet stops working ... but DHCP should work |
| 06:47.49 | inazad | Amarande, ok so what I can try ? |
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| 06:49.30 | balzar | have a problem with danish chars on the web pages serverd by apache on debian etch. default locale is set to en_DK.UTF-8, is there any apache specific tuning i need to do to achieve this? |
| 06:49.32 | inazad | Amarande, I'll try to change my wireless network' name |
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| 06:49.52 | ma3x | when I mounted the partition from live cd knoppix, I did -o dev |
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| 06:50.00 | ma3x | and then I chrooted and updated initramfs |
| 06:50.06 | ma3x | could that have caused something bad to it? |
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| 06:51.01 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:51.30 | inazad | Amarande, hmm no it's not working |
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| 06:51.42 | inazad | Amarande, how can I know if my card is functionnaly ? |
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| 06:52.06 | Amarande | inazad: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 06:52.27 | inazad | Amarande, eth1 isn't there.. :-S |
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| 06:53.19 | inazad | Amarande, I do ifconfig -a and I see eth1.. how to up it ? |
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| 06:54.09 | Amarande | inazad: type ifup eth1 as root |
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| 06:54.19 | inazad | Amarande, not with sudo ? |
| 06:54.30 | Amarande | or you can do it via sudo, if you have that set up |
| 06:54.36 | Amarande | I never get around to setting up sudo, though |
| 06:54.41 | inazad | root@neomatrix-jr:~# ifup eth1 |
| 06:54.41 | inazad | Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1. |
| 06:54.55 | Amarande | anyway, I need to get to sleep |
| 06:54.56 | Amarande | night |
| 06:55.03 | inazad | oki thanks |
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| 06:57.27 | RA3OR | i get a debootstrap error while installing etch0 netinstall |
| 06:57.48 | RA3OR | changed 2 hdd, 2 cd-roms, ide cable, system is a p3 @ 833mhz, 256 sdr |
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| 06:59.52 | zimnyx | After upgrading system some vim keyboard shortcuts in gnome-terminal deosn't work, but in xterm they still work fine. ANy ideas how can i fix it? (for example Shift - left arr) |
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| 07:06.20 | en1gma | i have a small problem |
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| 07:08.19 | en1gma | im running debian sid i386 (had been running the 2.6.21-1-k7 kernel) then i thought why not install the 2.6.21-1-amd64 kernel? well i did and upon doing that i needed to install nvidias binary driver (x86) and guess what? it wont install....says something about it detected 64bit or something |
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| 07:09.16 | en1gma | anyone know what i need to do |
| 07:09.40 | en1gma | i should be able to run an amd64 kernel with a 32bit os shouldnt i? |
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| 07:10.35 | fireba11 | en1gma: why don't you install a debian kernel ? |
| 07:10.38 | nakeee | en1gma, I'm not sure, nvidia might need to be compiled against he 64 bit kernel, which might mean it needs 64 bit libraries which you don't have |
| 07:10.47 | en1gma | that is a debian kernel |
| 07:11.20 | fireba11 | afaik 2.6.21 never existed in debian ... ir is that lenny or sid ? |
| 07:11.23 | en1gma | nakee i wonder if there is something in the kernel i can change so it dont detect it like that |
| 07:11.31 | en1gma | sid |
| 07:11.41 | fireba11 | ah, that explains that :-) |
| 07:11.42 | nakeee | en1gma, sure, change it to 32 bit:P |
| 07:11.50 | en1gma | how do i do that |
| 07:12.00 | en1gma | lol |
| 07:12.06 | en1gma | abracadabra |
| 07:12.15 | nakeee | en1gma, install the normal i386 one?:) |
| 07:12.28 | nakeee | en1gma, the amd64 is a 64bit kernel |
| 07:12.29 | en1gma | there is no i386 amd64 i guess |
| 07:12.38 | en1gma | well wait |
| 07:12.53 | en1gma | there is no such thing as a 64bit kernel |
| 07:12.59 | nakeee | i386 = 32 amd64 = 64bit (i386 with 64bit extensions) |
| 07:13.10 | en1gma | you can change the proc type in the kernel .config |
| 07:13.35 | nakeee | en1gma, obviously when i say 64bit kernel I mean kernel that was compiled for 64bit |
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| 07:14.24 | en1gma | this is what kind of problem cause in windows there are 32bit drivers and 64bit drivers |
| 07:14.36 | en1gma | shouldnt it work in linux like that oo?> |
| 07:15.10 | nakeee | en1gma, windows xp 64 doesn't work with most 32 bit drivers either |
| 07:15.30 | en1gma | no but there is a 32bit windows that works with the amd64 |
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| 07:15.49 | nakeee | en1gma, also on linux if you use the i386 it will work on amd64 |
| 07:16.06 | en1gma | and it reads all my cpu temps too.....if i use the 2.6.21.1-k7 for my amd64 its not reading my cpu temp info |
| 07:18.09 | en1gma | let me check #nvidia |
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| 07:19.22 | nakeee | en1gma, there I guess there is a bug somewhere there, happens sometimes when you use sid:) |
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| 07:20.40 | nakeee | (about not seeing the cpu temp that is) |
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| 07:20.54 | en1gma | ohhh |
| 07:21.12 | en1gma | so thats not because im selecting the K7 kernel when im using an amd64? |
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| 07:22.32 | nakeee | en1gma, well I don't think k7 is the right kernel to chose but as far as I know it suppose to work anyhow if you check the right sensor support in the config |
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| 07:22.57 | en1gma | i as thinking i might just need to modprobe it |
| 07:23.19 | en1gma | so what kernel would be for me when i run debian i386 (when i do have an amd64) |
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| 07:23.46 | nakeee | en1gma, try the i686 kernel or i686-smp if you have dual core |
| 07:23.57 | rcbarnes | How can I install on an etch system selected libraries from testing? |
| 07:24.09 | en1gma | someone told me before the k7 would be better |
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| 07:24.18 | nakeee | rcbarnes, when you install do apt-get install -t testing |
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| 07:24.31 | rcbarnes | nakeee: ahh! thanks |
| 07:24.45 | rcbarnes | that's much better than the crap I got from my friend |
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| 07:26.02 | rcbarnes | (something about changin repos for the install) |
| 07:26.02 | rcbarnes | :-P |
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| 07:26.03 | nakeee | en1gma, try and judge for yourself:) |
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| 07:26.19 | rxkaffee | is it possible to remove debconf internationalization support(debconf-i18n) without removing all the packages that use debconf? I only speak english, and only use english packages, so I don't see much need for i18n stuff |
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| 07:29.19 | nakeee | rxkaffee, yes do apt-get install debconf-english |
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| 07:30.40 | rxkaffee | 934KB |
| 07:30.40 | rxkaffee | yay! |
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| 07:30.57 | rxkaffee | almost a meg in savings |
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| 07:32.41 | kaushal_ | Hi |
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| 07:32.54 | kaushal_ | How do i enable NET SNMP on ubuntu |
| 07:32.55 | kaushal_ | box |
| 07:33.14 | kaushal_ | ii snmp 5.2.1.2-4ubuntu2.1 NET SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol |
| 07:33.19 | kaushal_ | its installed |
| 07:33.20 | nakeee | kaushal_, better ask on #ubuntu ?:) |
| 07:33.37 | kaushal_ | since ubuntu is based on debian |
| 07:33.42 | rxkaffee | thanks nakeee :D |
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| 07:34.08 | cydork | !based on debian |
| 07:34.08 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 07:34.38 | cydork | kaushal_: so better ask #ubuntu |
| 07:34.46 | kaushal_ | thanks |
| 07:34.58 | rxkaffee | you can use ubuntu packages on debian though ;D wether its "recomended" or not :P |
| 07:35.37 | robin_sz | "can" means just you "can" install them, whether they work with other debian packages is a bit of a gamble |
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| 07:35.45 | rxkaffee | I guess that just says how debian is a 'bit more rugged than ubuntus |
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| 07:36.21 | maemo | is there a way to download a directory recursively from a url with wget or curl ? |
| 07:36.34 | robin_sz | wget -r |
| 07:36.35 | streuner | maemo: tkinfo wget |
| 07:36.36 | cydork | maemo: yes. |
| 07:37.10 | robin_sz | its impossibel to download a directory recursively of course, becasue not all the files will be linked in urls |
| 07:37.24 | robin_sz | but you can download all the ones that are linked |
| 07:38.23 | cydork | robin_sz: if the listing is enabled then it's possible. |
| 07:38.28 | robin_sz | cydork, true, if none of the dirs contain an index.[html|php|htm|??] |
| 07:38.35 | maemo | robin_sz : that directory contains few files and few directories which are linked |
| 07:39.44 | maemo | robin_sz: its actually a pool directory containing deb files |
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| 07:40.10 | robin_sz | then man wget is your friend |
| 07:41.25 | cydork | maemo: are you trying to do a local mirror? |
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| 07:43.19 | maemo | cydork: I dont want total mirror but few directories of pool |
| 07:43.20 | larsl | What configuration parameter do I need to change in Iceweasel to make it not force a change to its workspace whenever it pops up a window? |
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| 07:46.02 | maemo | cydork : how to mirror a debian repository ? any quick suggestions ? |
| 07:46.22 | cydork | maemo: there are tools available for that. like debmirror |
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| 07:48.05 | eps | I need to run windows in a vm to do some thing; is there an open source app I can use to do this instead of vmware? |
| 07:48.13 | Kevin` | eps qemu, virtualbox, xen, kqemu, bochs, ... |
| 07:48.15 | cydork | eps: qemu can run windows. |
| 07:48.18 | Kevin` | erm |
| 07:48.22 | Kevin` | not kqemu |
| 07:48.26 | Kevin` | kvm |
| 07:48.29 | jelly-home | not bochs |
| 07:48.48 | eps | so, qemu? |
| 07:49.09 | Kevin` | there's lots of options. I like qemu because of the powerful configuration |
| 07:49.15 | cydork | eps: kvm is nice too |
| 07:49.25 | eps | I just need quick, dirty, easy :) |
| 07:49.28 | Kevin` | it's a full processor emulator though (qemu) |
| 07:49.34 | eps | okay I'll try those two |
| 07:49.34 | cydork | xen needs VMM for windows afaik. |
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| 07:57.30 | RA3OR | Wednesday 09:57:10 AM]- [RA3OR] I get a debootstrap error while installing etch0 netinstall |
| 07:57.30 | RA3OR | -[Wednesday 09:57:30 AM]- [RA3OR] Changed 2 hdd, 2 cd-roms, ide cable, system is a p3 @ 833mhz, 256 sdr |
| 07:57.51 | RA3OR | ANY idea? |
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| 07:58.14 | invitado22 | hi |
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| 07:59.12 | invitado22 | good morning from mexico |
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| 07:59.25 | keta | I'm experiencing a strange behaviour on xen debian linux images, using x86 xen dom0 debian everything works fine, using amd64 xen dom0 with an identical config, my choosen pethX is not seen, while in x86 it does. |
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| 08:06.50 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:06.50 | dpkg | from memory, qotd79 is <Overfiend> I think I want to fork GCC. Any time a compiler warning or error would be spewed, my version would just say: gcc: something wrong d00d |
| 08:07.35 | liable | dont forget the lol |
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| 08:09.01 | cilkay | keta: you might want to ask on #xen on irc.oftc.net. Be patient though. It seems to have been pretty quiet there for the last 12 hours or so. |
| 08:09.07 | gumanoed | could someone help with gnome session restoring with gdm relogin? |
| 08:09.51 | liable | there was a bug recently iirc about gnome-session |
| 08:10.21 | cilkay | RA3OR: yes, the answer is 42 |
| 08:11.23 | dooplex | Hi... I've got an Etch box that is a DHCP client, getting its lease from a Win2K DHCP server. I can't ping the Etch box's hostname / FQDN from Windows clients on the network (I can ping the IP address fine...) What do I need to do to get name resolution working? |
| 08:12.06 | cilkay | dooplex: you need DNS. |
| 08:12.44 | gumanoed | dooglus, linux don't use NET BIOS protocol from box |
| 08:12.56 | gumanoed | dooglus, just ping it with ip |
| 08:13.13 | dooplex | Should've mentioned... we have 2K DNS running on the same server |
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| 08:14.11 | gumanoed | dooglus, did you add staff to /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 08:14.12 | dooplex | Our WinXP DHCP clients don't have NetBIOS, yet their hostnames are registered in DNS whenthey get their DHCP lease... |
| 08:14.38 | gumanoed | dooglus, put here the output of cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:14.44 | cilkay | dooplex: On my network here, I have an IPCop firewal, which also is the dhcp server. I have it assign static IPs via dhcp based on MAC address so that I can just set statis host names on the IPCop box. For the small number of machines on my network, that works fine. |
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| 08:15.08 | ptl | hi |
| 08:15.15 | jelly-home | dooplex: Windows machines use DDNS I think. |
| 08:15.16 | Kevin` | dhcp with dynamic dns is perfectly workable |
| 08:15.20 | dooplex | gumanoed, no.... hang on, will get resolv.conf in a mo... |
| 08:15.23 | ptl | what's the name of that dpkg-something that builds a binary package from the installed files? |
| 08:15.36 | dooplex | jelly-home, yes that's right I think. |
| 08:15.39 | Kevin` | windows will report it's hostname to the dhcp server when it requests a lease, and the dhcp server updates dns |
| 08:16.05 | dooplex | cilkay, that might not be a bad idea... |
| 08:16.16 | gumanoed | Kevin`, does it works everytime? |
| 08:16.18 | Kevin` | as long as you have search whateverdomain in the linux /etc/resolv.conf you can use the computers directly by name |
| 08:16.35 | Kevin` | gumanoed seems to.. |
| 08:16.38 | Kevin` | why wouldn't it |
| 08:16.43 | ptl | noone knows? |
| 08:17.03 | cilkay | dooplex: IPCop doesn't have a dns server so this was a hackish workaround, though not a bad one. If I had hundreds of hosts, I would rethink that strategy. |
| 08:17.09 | gumanoed | ptl do you need to make deb from source pack? |
| 08:17.12 | jelly-home | ptl: dpkg-repack |
| 08:17.23 | dooplex | Do you know of any way to get Debian to do DDNS? |
| 08:17.44 | Kevin` | dooplex install dhcp server, install dns server, configure both |
| 08:17.58 | Kevin` | if your using ISC dhcpd and bind it's pretty straightforward |
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| 08:18.06 | liable | ptl: or dpkg-buildpkg |
| 08:18.12 | ptl | jelly-home: ok! thanks, i'll apt-cache search it |
| 08:18.34 | ptl | it was dpkg-repack... thanks ppl |
| 08:18.36 | jelly-home | dooglus: my guess would be man dhclient.conf |
| 08:18.51 | jelly-home | dooglus: there's a section about dynamic dns |
| 08:19.13 | Kevin` | the linux dhcp clients of course need to be configured to send a hostname ^ |
| 08:19.56 | qiyong | !mda |
| 08:19.57 | dpkg | i heard mda is mail delivery agent, such as procmail, dovecot or cyrus. The thing that a <mta> uses to actually store the incoming mail into your mailbox. |
| 08:20.05 | qiyong | is imap or pop server mda? |
| 08:20.20 | Kevin` | no |
| 08:20.33 | Kevin` | well, it could be |
| 08:20.33 | qiyong | what is the imap server? |
| 08:20.36 | Arafangion | qiyong: It's a mail *reciever*. |
| 08:20.37 | Kevin` | if it did both functions |
| 08:21.05 | Arafangion | qiyong: Well, actually, it's more of a mail *accessor*. |
| 08:21.07 | jelly-home | qiyong: probably not, although it could have a custom MDA if it has a fun way to store the mails. |
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| 08:21.24 | RA3OR | cilkay: 42 meaning ... ? |
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| 08:21.58 | dooplex | /etc/resolv.conf : search boffamiskell.co.nz |
| 08:21.59 | dooplex | nameserver 192.168.2.11 |
| 08:21.59 | dooplex | nameserver 192.168.2.12 |
| 08:22.50 | cilkay | RA3OR: the answer to everything. apparently. Your question was nonsense so you got a nonsense answer :) |
| 08:23.13 | jelly-home | dooglus: do you have an AD? |
| 08:23.18 | cilkay | "a debootstrap error" is not exactly descriptive |
| 08:23.41 | dooplex | jelly-home, yes we do. |
| 08:24.15 | dooplex | two DCs, each running DNS (addresses as above) |
| 08:26.16 | Kevin` | I forget which imap server i'm running |
| 08:27.35 | RA3OR | cilkay ... next time keep your aliens to yourself |
| 08:28.04 | cilkay | Will do :) |
| 08:28.39 | RA3OR | all of the sudden, install stops at 60%, what error do you want me to tell you? |
| 08:28.53 | RA3OR | it says debootstrap warning |
| 08:28.53 | cilkay | Well, that's more descriptive. |
| 08:29.04 | cilkay | And what is the warning? |
| 08:29.22 | RA3OR | [RA3OR] Changed 2 hdd, 2 cd-roms, ide cable, system is a p3 @ 833mhz, 256 sdr |
| 08:29.22 | RA3OR | - |
| 08:29.27 | RA3OR | this wasnt? |
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| 08:31.53 | jelly-home | dooplex: probably something like http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2003-December/009235.html |
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| 08:32.29 | ma3x | can I boot from the debian mini cd and chroot and fix my partition? |
| 08:33.02 | SlayerXP | ma3x: yes, you have our permission to do so. |
| 08:33.24 | ma3x | SlayerXP, what should I type at the boot promt: expert? |
| 08:33.33 | cilkay | If you have to ask.... |
| 08:33.48 | cilkay | Chances are high that you should not be touching your partitions. |
| 08:34.13 | dooplex | jelly-home, *nice*... I'm gonna try that (after I've read up more on dhclient.conf :-) |
| 08:34.45 | jelly-home | dooplex: nothing like a nice google search to save the day |
| 08:34.45 | cilkay | ma3x: make a copy of the disk first before you fool around with that. |
| 08:35.29 | ma3x | cilkay, I restored from a backup, but the moment I chrooted and updated initrd from knoppix, it ruins my debian |
| 08:35.32 | dooplex | yeah :/ I was searching for dhcp, didn't really think too much about dns (let alone ddns)... Thanks. |
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| 08:35.51 | jelly-home | dooplex: make sure you're configuring dhcp client, debian has a number of those :-| |
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| 08:36.04 | jelly-home | *the right dhcp client |
| 08:36.34 | cilkay | ma3x: oh, so you're not really playing with partition tables then. Why can't you restore your initrd from your backup? |
| 08:37.45 | jelly-home | dooplex: third hit on dhclient "windows 2000" "dhcp server" "dynamic dns" OR ddns |
| 08:37.46 | ma3x | cilkay, initrd is marked with hda2. I now restored the backup to hda1 , I have to update it somehow |
| 08:38.19 | jelly-home | dooplex: I guess you already have to know what to look for, yes |
| 08:38.28 | ma3x | wow I can't believe |
| 08:38.41 | ma3x | this knoppix bugged again |
| 08:38.55 | cilkay | ma3x: why don't you just switch the cables for hda1 and hda2 to reverse their order? |
| 08:39.10 | jelly-home | cilkay: err... |
| 08:39.48 | jelly-home | switching cables for two partitions is going to be fun |
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| 08:40.10 | cilkay | doh, you're right. I was thinking hda, hdb for some reason. |
| 08:40.23 | cilkay | My excuse is it's very late/early for me. |
| 08:40.54 | jelly-home | ENOCOFFEE |
| 08:40.55 | cilkay | But it would be a neat trick if he could do it :) |
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| 08:42.03 | carson | is it possible to define a password for a nfs export? |
| 08:42.41 | simonrvn | nfsv4; kerberos |
| 08:42.56 | tarzeau | does someone use mini-dinstall? i'm trying it here and it just doesn't move any files |
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| 08:44.05 | carson | simonrvn: are there official nfsv4 packages for debian? |
| 08:44.20 | dooplex | jelly-home, you're quite right! ... "apt-cache --installed --names-only search dhcp" lists no less than 5 possible DHCP clients in the standard Etch install! |
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| 08:45.59 | liable | theres 5 of em? |
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| 08:46.50 | Arafangion | liable: Doesn't sound like many, doesn't it? |
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| 08:47.19 | liable | Arafangion: seeing as none work for me atm, its nowhere near enough! |
| 08:47.23 | liable | :) |
| 08:47.25 | dooplex | dhcp-client - DHCP Client |
| 08:47.25 | dooplex | udhcpc - very small DHCP client |
| 08:47.25 | dooplex | dhcp3-client - DHCP Client |
| 08:47.25 | dooplex | dhcpcd - DHCP client for automatically configuring IPv4 networking |
| 08:47.25 | dooplex | wide-dhcpv6-client - DHCPv6 client for automatic IPv6 hosts configuration |
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| 08:47.47 | Arafangion | Haha. |
| 08:47.49 | ma3x | did anyone say something? knopper from again |
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| 08:48.01 | Arafangion | Just enough clients for the kick :) |
| 08:48.14 | dooplex | Yep! |
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| 08:52.24 | dooplex | seems that it's the dhcp3-client package that runs by default (/etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf)... Is that right? |
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| 08:53.52 | simonrvn | it's the one that's preferred and installed by default, IIRC |
| 08:54.13 | liable | dhcp-client is default, but if you install dhcp3-client, then i believe thats default |
| 08:54.15 | simonrvn | preferred by ifupdown, though it'll use anything that's there |
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| 08:54.30 | simonrvn | oh it's v3 nowadays |
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| 08:54.57 | simonrvn | they even recommend removing the v2 'cause it's bleh |
| 08:55.04 | liable | oh |
| 08:55.24 | simonrvn | security issues mostly |
| 08:55.34 | MindHack | I need advice on locales, namely I want to be able to read as many language charsets as possible in a terminal. Is the locale-gen route the way to go? |
| 08:55.59 | simonrvn | utf8 and the right font you can read most |
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| 08:56.49 | MindHack | simonrvn: roger, I'll persue that direction |
| 08:56.49 | simonrvn | locale-gen just generates them (as implied by the name) |
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| 08:56.51 | MindHack | well, my concern is just reading this. Will this kind of change have any effect on filenames or anything? |
| 08:56.53 | dooplex | I wonder why the standard system installs so many DHCP clients..? |
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| 08:57.14 | simonrvn | MindHack: ascii no, others, depends on the charset |
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| 08:57.33 | simonrvn | filenames, and contents |
| 08:57.56 | MindHack | yuck |
| 08:58.31 | MindHack | I dont think I can risk that |
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| 09:00.49 | shuaop | Hit, motd show the message of the day after login, whay is the way to show a message before login, like advice or something like this? |
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| 09:02.06 | cydork | shuaop: you mean /etc/issue ?? |
| 09:02.25 | shuaop | ahh. maybe, yes :) |
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| 09:09.31 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 09:09.41 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 09:10.05 | dooplex | hello TrueDD |
| 09:10.29 | TrueDD | Salut dooplex |
| 09:10.41 | xand | !fr |
| 09:10.41 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
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| 09:11.23 | b00 | lo |
| 09:11.44 | b00 | anyone with experience building custom images for HP Thin client ? |
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| 09:23.10 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 09:23.20 | lkthomas | how could I remove a specific rule in iptables ? |
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| 09:23.54 | Shadur | lkthomas: use iptables |
| 09:24.12 | lkthomas | any hints what to search ? |
| 09:24.27 | JosefAssad | lkthomas: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Iptables_command |
| 09:24.41 | lkthomas | thanks :) |
| 09:25.48 | MindHack | lkthomas: I went the weird path of writing a shell script with the entire ruleset in it, line by line, and each time its run it flushes and then redefines the rules. I just open it and comment out any rules I dont want. Although, this may have its downsides |
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| 09:25.49 | lkthomas | hmm |
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| 09:25.49 | JosefAssad | MindHack: weird indeed |
| 09:25.49 | lkthomas | one more question |
| 09:25.49 | lkthomas | how come NAT rules isn't shows on iptables -L ? |
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| 09:27.58 | keta | anyone using xen on etch has encountered problems on amd64 opteron machines with phisical ethernets not coming up? the scenario is: same hardware(hp blades), same configs and with x86 etch everithing works fine. |
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| 09:32.16 | spheard | hey has anyone had a problem with firefox on kde? when I click links it does all the loadin stuff but doesnt display the new page, Its driving me to distraction |
| 09:32.32 | spheard | maybe I should get icelemming |
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| 09:36.40 | Joelio | hey, could someone suggest some good books on debian packaging and/or CDD's |
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| 09:37.48 | xby | lala |
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| 09:38.28 | fooboo | Hi |
| 09:38.36 | xby | hi fooboo |
| 09:38.38 | fooboo | How can i detect if my server is ddos'd (syn flood) ? |
| 09:39.49 | magnet | check logs? |
| 09:39.49 | fooboo | Which ? |
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| 09:39.50 | magnet | start logging syn using iptables |
| 09:39.50 | dm | Hello. What tool do need to convert a pdf file to a tiff image? I tried ImageMagick's "convert" but the resulting resolution is too low. Any idea? |
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| 09:39.56 | MindHack | fooboo: ask the people in #shadowserver.org |
| 09:39.59 | magnet | of course syn aren't logged by default, that would be a waste of disk space |
| 09:40.08 | marc7 | fooboo: I'd also ask your upstream provider for help. if it's a DDoS, chances are they'll know around the same time you will... and will have the ability to mitigate the attack |
| 09:40.23 | fooboo | okay |
| 09:41.05 | magnet | marc7: usually when your ISP is aware of it they nullroute you so that the ddos stops affecting them :) |
| 09:41.16 | fooboo | Because the connection to my root-server is very slow, and before 2 weeks it was very fast. So first I checked apache-logs, but there is no flood, so I think it's a ddos, because the load is at 0.0 |
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| 09:41.43 | magnet | fooboo: are there any reasons you'd be ddos'ed ? |
| 09:41.53 | magnet | maybe you're just paranoid :) |
| 09:42.12 | fooboo | But there is no other reason the connection could be so slow as it is at the moment |
| 09:42.18 | spheard | spheard: hey has anyone had a problem with firefox on kde? when I click links it does all the loadin stuff but doesnt display the new page, Its driving me to distraction |
| 09:42.27 | magnet | maybe another customer of your ISP is being ddos'ed |
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| 09:42.35 | fooboo | I have another server at this provider in the same network, and it is as fast as before |
| 09:42.41 | marc7 | magnet: absolutely, but there are times where the DDoS isn't enough to saturate the network... but definitely your individual connection. my experience shows that sometimes NOC analysts are asleep at the desk at night... and need a gentle encouragement to take |
| 09:42.44 | marc7 | take action |
| 09:43.02 | magnet | let's hope so :) |
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| 09:43.26 | magnet | fooboo: for now if you can ssh it, just log syn and acks to a file using iptables |
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| 09:43.45 | fooboo | Okay, do you have a paper for this or something else ? |
| 09:43.52 | magnet | yeah, something else |
| 09:43.54 | magnet | man iptables |
| 09:43.54 | magnet | :) |
| 09:44.04 | fooboo | hm |
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| 09:44.09 | ma3x | hello |
| 09:44.13 | magnet | hi |
| 09:44.22 | fooboo | my english is not so good to understand this 100% |
| 09:44.23 | ma3x | I'm currently on knoppix. how can I burn a debian iso image? |
| 09:44.35 | ma3x | I downloaded it but I can't burn it because I can't eject the knoppix CD |
| 09:44.45 | Joelio | hey guys, I'm looking for a relatively advanced debian book, that will describe packaging and the installer. I'm aware I can get most of this stuff online, but you can't beat the feel of a book. Any suggestions? |
| 09:45.01 | marc7 | here's a completely different question... I'm trying to build a set of scripts to rapidly deploy debian servers using pxe/netboot and preseed files... I'm running into a hitch before I get to the preseed file however... http://pastebin.ca/521948 is a copy of my pxelinux.cfg/default file... which is what the system is loading off a netboot... and seriously, it *should* be automatically recognizing the language (english) and some of the other |
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| 09:45.28 | magnet | ma3x: mhh, burn it from another OS or (beware it may freeze your computer if it works, not sure) unmount the knoppix cd using (as root) umount /cdrom |
| 09:45.37 | liable | Joelio: dont think you will find a book, print the online docs and bind them |
| 09:45.43 | magnet | fooboo: get manpages for your native language |
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| 09:46.01 | Joelio | liable: yea, think I'll have to do that. |
| 09:46.13 | ma3x | magnet, yes if I boot with the option "toram" it freezes my box |
| 09:46.30 | Joelio | liable: I suppose it's a moving target anyway, especially the installer.. so it'd be hard to write a book I gues |
| 09:46.33 | ma3x | magnet, but I can't get another OS. how? I have internet connection, but I can't burn it? |
| 09:46.51 | magnet | ma3x: don't you have any OS on your hard drive ? |
| 09:47.02 | ma3x | magnet, nope :) |
| 09:47.03 | liable | Joelio: yeah, things dont stay static for long :) |
| 09:47.09 | magnet | do you have an USB key? |
| 09:47.19 | ma3x | nope :) only usb hdd |
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| 09:47.24 | Arafangion | ma3x: Order a copy of Ubutnu |
| 09:47.28 | Arafangion | *Ubuntu |
| 09:47.31 | magnet | ma3x: same |
| 09:47.38 | ma3x | magnet, what same? |
| 09:47.43 | magnet | as long as your mobo support USB booting |
| 09:47.48 | magnet | usb key and hard drives |
| 09:47.57 | Arafangion | Hmm, then again, a usb hdd is even better. :) |
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| 09:48.15 | magnet | Arafangion: my new usb key is 8GB :) |
| 09:48.24 | ma3x | magnet, it doesnt support |
| 09:48.26 | spheard | hey has anyone had a problem with firefox on kde? when I click links it does all the loadin stuff but doesnt display the new page, Its driving me to distraction, refreshing the page has no effect |
| 09:48.39 | ma3x | or im not sure |
| 09:48.57 | magnet | ma3x: doesn't knoppix give some way of installing it on the drive (like ubuntu's live cd)? |
| 09:49.22 | ma3x | magnet, it gives - RAM but that freezes when it enters X |
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| 09:49.40 | ma3x | such a piece of crap < knoppix |
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| 09:49.53 | spheard | ma3x: agree |
| 09:50.04 | magnet | ma3x: don't you have any old linux install cd? |
| 09:50.53 | ma3x | nope only 2 versions of knoppix 32 and 64 bit |
| 09:50.55 | ma3x | both freeze |
| 09:51.10 | ma3x | but I just saw - knoppix offers an option knoppix bootfrom=/dev/hda1/KNX.iso Access image, boot from ISO-Image. ***) |
| 09:51.13 | magnet | no PXE boot, no other PCs? |
| 09:51.23 | xby | Damn Small Linux has a way of installing to USB drives. After this you can "upgrade" it to be a full Debian |
| 09:51.23 | Arafangion | ma3x: Find a copy of memchk86 |
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| 09:51.30 | ma3x | so if I specify /dev/sda1/debian-netinstall.iso it might boot from that? |
| 09:51.40 | ma3x | Arafangion, memtest? |
| 09:51.52 | magnet | ma3x: nothing to lose trying :) |
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| 09:53.04 | aidehua | How can I find which files correspond to a given inode? |
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| 09:53.39 | aidehua | Please don't say "find / -printf "%i %p\n" | grep '^12345 '" :D |
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| 09:54.19 | JosefAssad | find -inode |
| 09:54.47 | aidehua | There's no tool to ask the filesystem directly@? |
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| 09:55.12 | aidehua | I guess not -- there's no reason a filesystem would maintin inode -> path mappings (even though it obviously does path -> inode). |
| 09:55.23 | aidehua | JosefAssad: thanks :) |
| 09:55.52 | JosefAssad | aidehua: http://www.kalamazoolinux.org/mailarchive/0105/msg00234.html |
| 09:56.45 | Arafangion | ma3x: Yeah, memtest86 |
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| 09:58.11 | bYp | hi, i have very lame question but i cant' figure it out:( I can't change my resolution at X i changed xorg.conf hundred times, adding and removing modes but results is always onyl 640... in graphics mode i can't change res. as well. Someone any tip to get work this? I use tdfx driver, witch were reginized during instalation (V3 3000 agp card) |
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| 10:00.17 | magnet | bYp: maybe that's your default, try does cycling between X resolutions work? |
| 10:00.44 | aidehua | JosefAssad: that's a great tip! Thank you :D |
| 10:01.02 | JosefAssad | aidehua: thank google, not me |
| 10:01.43 | bYp | magnet: cycling between X resulotuions??? how i could do that? |
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| 10:02.16 | aidehua | JosefAssad: It's all about doing the right search (what was yours?) |
| 10:02.21 | claudio` | Does anyone have an ATI Rage 128 (AGP)? |
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| 10:02.36 | magnet | bYp: control alt + or - |
| 10:02.46 | JosefAssad | aidehua: http://www.google.com/search?hl=da&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=I0z&q=inode+lookup+file&btnG=S%C3%B8g&lr= |
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| 10:03.23 | Nach | What should I install to load Java Applets in Ice Weasel? |
| 10:03.24 | JosefAssad | aidehua: I try to imagine how the question might most lucidly have been asked and then extract significant words |
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| 10:03.59 | bYp | magnet: i'v tried with num on and off but nothing happends :( |
| 10:05.22 | bYp | maybe there are another configfile than /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 10:06.09 | magnet | bYp: no, that's where your problem lies |
| 10:06.21 | magnet | bYp: but you may need to give proper modelines for your screen |
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| 10:07.08 | scx | Does anybody know how to resize mng images? |
| 10:07.51 | scx | I bet I can use mnglib but have no clue on how |
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| 10:08.29 | magnet | I don't know about mng but imagemagick supports pretty much every format ever made |
| 10:08.59 | nvz | Nach: call me crazy, but I'd install Java |
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| 10:09.13 | bYp | magnet: Are there any possibility to try config file? if' there are no mistakes? |
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| 10:09.24 | nvz | Nach: I'll look up the exact package name.. gimme a minute |
| 10:09.41 | magnet | bYp: use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 10:09.50 | magnet | (backup your xorg.conf before) |
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| 10:10.12 | nakeee | hi Nach :) |
| 10:10.26 | nvz | Nach: for in-browser java you should need sun-java5-plugin, for regular java apps such as azerus, limewire..etc you would want sun-java5-jre |
| 10:10.28 | Nach | oh hello nakeee, fancy meeting you here |
| 10:10.53 | nakeee | Nach, well, debian is after all my favorite dist:) |
| 10:11.13 | nakeee | Nach, though you can find my other me on #gentoo sometimes;)) |
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| 10:13.03 | nvz | nakeee: your other you? |
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| 10:14.46 | nakeee | nvz, yea during the day I'm a humble debian system admin and at night I become an evil gentoo user:) |
| 10:14.47 | bYp | it's asking about video card's bus identifier may i use default (PCI:1:0:0)0 lspci shows 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: 3Dfx Interactive, Inc. Voodoo 3 |
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| 10:15.18 | nvz | nakeee: ugh.. I'd see an exorcist |
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| 10:15.32 | cydork | heh |
| 10:15.38 | nvz | bYp: is it your only card? |
| 10:15.53 | bYp | only graphics card, yes |
| 10:15.56 | nvz | bYp: then leave it blank |
| 10:16.19 | nvz | bYp: bus identifiers allow it to specify settings per card, if there is only one, its irrelevant |
| 10:16.32 | nvz | bYp: FYI debconf dialogs are WIDHE compliant. |
| 10:16.46 | bYp | nvz: thx:) |
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| 10:18.53 | Nach | nvz: looks like I'm going to have to reboot, if you can find the info for me for when I reconnect, I'd appreciate it |
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| 10:20.42 | nvz | ugh, there is rarely ever a reason to reboot, and I already gave you the information |
| 10:20.44 | baggins | how can i get a list of all the packages on the system and their installed size? |
| 10:21.15 | nvz | baggins: your package manager.. i.e. synaptic |
| 10:21.45 | scx | magnet: yes, convert did it |
| 10:21.50 | scx | magnet: convert -verbose -background transparent -composite -resize 54x54 54-kmenu-normal ./54-kmenu-normalX |
| 10:21.58 | scx | magnet: :) |
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| 10:22.23 | baggins | i don't think synaptic can sort by that. |
| 10:22.29 | baggins | isn't there any command line tool that does it? |
| 10:22.59 | cydork | baggins: dpkg-query can do that. |
| 10:23.13 | nvz | baggins: synaptic most certainly can |
| 10:23.28 | baggins | well. a textual tool is better for me |
| 10:23.38 | baggins | i see --showformat. i'll have a look |
| 10:24.12 | nvz | ugh wtf am I tired all of a sudden |
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| 10:25.18 | JosefAssad | nvz: /j #debian.dk |
| 10:25.23 | JosefAssad | gah, sorry |
| 10:25.23 | JosefAssad | :) |
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| 10:25.47 | nvz | ,dk ? |
| 10:26.01 | liable | bg |
| 10:26.02 | JosefAssad | jeps |
| 10:26.12 | nvz | what is a .dk? |
| 10:26.25 | JosefAssad | nvz: I was just going to tease you about why you might be tired |
| 10:26.58 | bYp | hey mans it's working:) |
| 10:27.08 | bYp | thx very much |
| 10:27.10 | bYp | :) |
| 10:27.19 | magnet | scx: imagemagick is da shit man! ;) |
| 10:27.23 | nvz | it really doesnt make sense.. I like literally slept all day yesturday.. woke up, went to the track, ran some laps, jumped some hurdles and been up all night now at 6:30am I am suddenly feeling tired |
| 10:28.01 | nvz | Monday I was up since 4am on two hours sleep all the way up till like 1am tuesday when I slept all damn day until like 9:30pm |
| 10:28.26 | baggins | dpkg-query --showformat '${Installed-Size}\t${Package}\n' -W | sort -g |
| 10:28.30 | baggins | that's what i was after |
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| 10:28.55 | Maku | hi, my friend indtalled a nginx on my pc |
| 10:29.04 | Maku | and now i cant remove it |
| 10:29.11 | nvz | seems too much like work. even I'd use synaptic for that and I usually prefer console solutions |
| 10:29.21 | Maku | i use console |
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| 10:29.29 | Maku | apt-get remove nginx |
| 10:29.49 | baggins | i didn't see how to obviously do that in synaptic |
| 10:30.05 | nvz | the package field has a size col |
| 10:30.16 | Maku | http://pastebin.ca/522188 |
| 10:30.20 | nvz | if you dont see how to do that you must not understand how list fields work |
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| 10:30.46 | nvz | all I had to do was click the size col and viola |
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| 10:31.04 | nvz | one button press no perl-fu |
| 10:31.08 | baggins | oh |
| 10:31.10 | baggins | now it does |
| 10:31.20 | baggins | oh yes |
| 10:31.23 | baggins | that's easier |
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| 10:32.05 | Maku | so any idea how to remove that shit? |
| 10:32.26 | nvz | usually I flush to remove my shit |
| 10:32.40 | JosefAssad | I call in the biohazard squad |
| 10:32.43 | nvz | gravity takes over |
| 10:33.17 | fireba11 | Maku : try removing with dpkg directly |
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| 10:33.23 | Maku | dpkg -r? |
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| 10:33.45 | avtobiff | dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege |
| 10:33.46 | nvz | Maku: for whatever reason the stop script failed.. put exit 0 at the top of the script.. it returns successful then gets deleted.. heh |
| 10:33.52 | nvz | ignorant hack |
| 10:34.02 | xyz123 | is there also text-based alternative to cp that shows more information like speed and progress? |
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| 10:34.19 | test_ | say is wireless boot from the network possible ? like pXE , |
| 10:34.25 | Maku | nvz: how to put exit zero in script? |
| 10:34.27 | test_ | or maybe can i use a usbthumb drive |
| 10:34.32 | baggins | xyz123: rsync? |
| 10:34.36 | baggins | xyz123: rsync -P |
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| 10:34.52 | nvz | Maku: edit /etc/init.d/nginx and put exit 0 at the top |
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| 10:35.28 | nvz | Maku: then no matter how the script gets called it exits successfully and theres nothing to bitch about.. renders the script useless but doesnt matter you are removing it anyhow |
| 10:35.38 | nvz | Maku: make sure you kill the process though |
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| 10:35.50 | nvz | Maku: cause thats what the script was suppose to do |
| 10:35.51 | Maku | ok, so how to install apache2 ? :P |
| 10:36.03 | nvz | apt-get install apache2 |
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| 10:36.47 | xyz123 | baggins ill try that thanks |
| 10:36.49 | Kumbi | how to configure it? |
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| 10:37.08 | JosefAssad | would be interesting to have an open source license which revokes license if the person doesn't RTFM |
| 10:37.13 | Maku | fcuk |
| 10:37.21 | Maku | removed nginx : http://logon.mmoforum.net/ |
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| 10:40.30 | test_ | is there a howto boo from usb flash ? |
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| 10:43.26 | claudio` | How can i know the right values for HorizSync and VertRefresh (xorg.conf)? My monitor works with H:48Khz and V:60hz (taken from the monitor informations menù). Does anyone have an idea? |
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| 10:44.16 | liable | !hwinfo |
| 10:44.16 | dpkg | methinks hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 10:44.17 | nvz | !sync |
| 10:44.17 | dpkg | for monitor sync ranges and refresh rates, see http://monitorworld.com/monitors_home.html |
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| 10:45.22 | claudio` | THX |
| 10:45.23 | JosefAssad | test_: boot from, or install to? |
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| 10:45.52 | test_ | i want to boot from wireless , |
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| 10:46.10 | JosefAssad | ... |
| 10:46.34 | Kumbi | lol |
| 10:46.41 | liable | test_: unless the entire wireless driver is in the standard kernel (ie, doesnt need firmware) your outta luck |
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| 10:47.01 | nvz | ugh.. I got an embedded filetype I know I have an plugin to handle but I dont know how to tell iceweasel that.. when I go into the preferences and lookk at the manage file types there is no way to "add" a new one |
| 10:47.06 | liable | there arent many supported wholly by the kernel |
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| 10:48.57 | magnet | nvz: you have to use about:config and it's messy down there |
| 10:49.05 | test_ | liable, initrd ? |
| 10:49.11 | magnet | I don't remember the exact key, get a reference |
| 10:50.05 | liable | test_: what is the wireless chipset? |
| 10:50.31 | test_ | ralink |
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| 10:52.14 | liable | i think some are supported by etches kernel |
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| 10:53.33 | wols | !realink |
| 10:53.37 | wols | !ralink |
| 10:53.37 | dpkg | Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (For list of products: http://ralink.rapla.net/ ). Ralink are notable for releasing software interface specs and (more or less buggy) GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for rt2400 and rt2500. The Ralink driver project at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com is developing a very expected rt2x00 driver. |
| 10:54.19 | Kalisto | is it just me or is sourceforge mailing list archives broken? i keep getting 500 Errors |
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| 10:54.34 | test_ | liable , yes but the wireless dosent have a boot rom? |
| 10:55.21 | liable | test_: booting from bios over wireless? |
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| 10:55.31 | test_ | liable , ? |
| 10:55.55 | liable | whatever you call it |
| 10:56.09 | liable | pxe boot or whatever |
| 10:56.24 | test_ | wireless dosent have pxe |
| 10:56.26 | test_ | firmware |
| 10:56.52 | liable | i am not sure what you are even asking |
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| 10:58.03 | nvz | magnet: I see nothing in there about that. but thanks anyway |
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| 10:58.30 | test_ | liable, i want to boot from the network using a wireless card |
| 10:58.41 | magical_trevsky | test_, you can't |
| 10:58.47 | test_ | magical_trevsky, why? |
| 10:58.53 | marc7 | god, could you imagine the security risk? |
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| 10:59.41 | webustany | hi there. I've got a very old laptop (120mhz/64mo ram) running DSL, with no cdrom drive and a pcmcia network card. I'd like to switch it to etch, can I avoid using floppies ? |
| 10:59.50 | magical_trevsky | test_, because your bios won't have wireless drivers |
| 10:59.52 | marc7 | test: netbooting with pxe or whatever other method can easily happen because local area networks can, to a certain extent, be controlled environments |
| 10:59.57 | webustany | ie, can I bootstrap the install from a working linux install |
| 10:59.58 | nvz | test_: cause it has no bios a good enough reason for you? |
| 10:59.58 | test_ | i see, well ok can i boot from usb flash then load the appropiate drivers and configuration settings for it then have it boot the rest of the system from the network? |
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| 11:00.28 | marc7 | test: you have a long uphill battle to accomplish that. |
| 11:00.31 | webustany | test_: I don't know if pxe works with wifi... |
| 11:00.54 | bowsey-unix | webustany: by DSL you mean Damn small Linux? you can upgrade your installed DSL to Debian by just adding the repositories |
| 11:00.54 | nvz | you'd have to first have a wifi card with a boot rom |
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| 11:01.01 | bowsey-unix | no floppies needed then. |
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| 11:01.14 | marc7 | it's a cool idea though |
| 11:01.17 | webustany | bowsey-unix: nice... is this "clean" ? |
| 11:01.17 | test_ | boot rom ? no , |
| 11:01.30 | bowsey-unix | i dunno, have no experience with this. see the DSL site for this! |
| 11:01.36 | bowsey-unix | they explain how to do it |
| 11:01.48 | bowsey-unix | DSL is basically Debian, so I don't see any problems |
| 11:01.51 | webustany | bowsey-unix: but can I boostrap a debian install from a working linux install ? (forget about dsl :) ) |
| 11:01.58 | webustany | I'd like a complete reinstall |
| 11:02.25 | bowsey-unix | bowsey-unix: you should be able to. I know that Linux from Scratch is installed this way |
| 11:02.36 | nvz | !debtakeover |
| 11:02.36 | dpkg | debtakeover is, like, Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 11:02.40 | bowsey-unix | dunno how to do that though :) |
| 11:02.42 | nvz | !debootstrap |
| 11:02.42 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 11:02.50 | webustany | nvz: thanks :) |
| 11:03.03 | test_ | marc7, what if i use a floppy with etherboot it still needs the wireless drivers right? |
| 11:03.11 | webustany | nvz: which is better, according to you ? |
| 11:03.16 | webustany | test_: yes |
| 11:03.17 | nvz | webustany: never used either |
| 11:03.21 | webustany | :) |
| 11:03.21 | webustany | ok |
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| 11:03.42 | webustany | test_: etherboot doesnt supports wifi I think |
| 11:03.42 | bowsey-unix | webustany: Your idea is pro'lly better if you don't like the 2.4 kernel DSL uses |
| 11:03.53 | webustany | bowsey-unix: that's the case |
| 11:03.57 | nvz | I wouldnt use anything but debian and I install it from cd knowing that |
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| 11:04.36 | wols | !dsl |
| 11:04.36 | dpkg | methinks dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 11:04.41 | marc7 | test: could you describe what kind of environment you're trying to create? are these laptops/desktops? are wired networks not feasible? |
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| 11:05.08 | wols | bowsey-unix: only debian is debian, nothing else. not DSL, not knoppix, not morphix or any other debian based distro |
| 11:05.27 | wols | nvz: debtakeover or debootstrap is fine too |
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| 11:05.32 | xand | ubuntu is! |
| 11:05.45 | nvz | wols: no idea what they are |
| 11:05.56 | nvz | have no reason to care either |
| 11:05.57 | Sebboh | Suppose I have a file that contains three lines, a b e. I have another file with five lines: a b c d e. I want to create a third file that lists the lines that the first file does NOT contain. (c d) .. How can I do this? For very large files... |
| 11:06.06 | bowsey-unix | wols: true enough, but DSL is not Ubuntu, it's just Debian with a 2.4 kernel and some apt-get-ed (got?) packages |
| 11:06.15 | bowsey-unix | AFAIK |
| 11:06.18 | test_ | the network is wired all clients boot from the network using PXE , and NFSROOT , 1 station needs to be wireless |
| 11:06.24 | JosefAssad | apt-gotten? |
| 11:06.51 | wols | Sebboh: write a program that hasshes every line and check if hashes match |
| 11:06.58 | Sebboh | bowsey-unix: DSL is missing debian-base or whatever. It has busybox (or something like it) |
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| 11:07.02 | wols | bowsey-unix: it is NOT debian. read the factoid again |
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| 11:07.19 | Sebboh | wols, get some sleep. =P |
| 11:07.27 | webustany | Sebboh: perl is your friend :) |
| 11:07.40 | Nach | nvz: did you find out what the package is called? |
| 11:07.41 | wols | Sebboh: why? |
| 11:07.41 | webustany | Sebboh: else, sort -u will give you the unique lines |
| 11:07.41 | Sebboh | are you guys kidding me? Diff can do this. |
| 11:07.50 | magical_trevsky | test_, something like http://www.macworld.com/news/2003/06/11/smc/ might work |
| 11:07.58 | wols | Sebboh: if it can, why do you ask? |
| 11:07.58 | gordboy | perl's a singer. she stands up when she plays the piano ... |
| 11:08.04 | magical_trevsky | test_, a wifi adapter that connects to an ethernet port |
| 11:08.07 | Sebboh | wols, it can, I can't make it. =) |
| 11:08.29 | Sebboh | sort -u might work. Thanks webustany, wols. |
| 11:08.29 | marc7 | test_: your easiest solution.. easy easy... would be a wireless bridge of some sort. |
| 11:08.34 | magical_trevsky | test_, I think linksys make one |
| 11:08.42 | test_ | magical_trevsky, i prefer using a usb thumb drive |
| 11:08.46 | bowsey-unix | Sebboh: I think there's this script that just makes it into Debian |
| 11:09.06 | wols | lets hope GNU stayed with their "no artificial limits" philosopy |
| 11:09.19 | test_ | maybe i can load everything from the usb thumb drive and boot the rest of the system via the wireless with NFSROOT |
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| 11:09.39 | Sebboh | wait, web, I need to DROP any line that has a dupe. (Assuming that I cat the two files together..) |
| 11:09.46 | marc7 | if it's a one-off problem that needs to be solved... just preconfigure the bridge to extend the network... and then just plug in an ethernet cable to the other client... without any need to load wireless network drivers and join an 802.11 network at a critical stage of boot. |
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| 11:10.37 | marc7 | and write your favorite hardware vendor, asking them to implement that as a feature on their next system ;-) |
| 11:11.36 | magical_trevsky | test_, http://beta.arcig.cz/~eudoxos/eb-linux/ |
| 11:11.43 | magical_trevsky | that looks like a possible solution |
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| 11:11.53 | test_ | yes i saw that site |
| 11:12.10 | test_ | debian dosent have any tools for making this work? |
| 11:12.50 | draga | hello everybody. Installed a sid i386 on an amd64 machine. I can see I can install the i686, k7 and am64 kernels. Is the amd64 kernel a 32 bit one (optimised for amd64 processor) or a 64 bit one running 32 bit userspace apps? |
| 11:13.17 | cydork | Sebboh: something like grep -xF -f file1 file2 ?? |
| 11:13.20 | test_ | what is NBI |
| 11:13.39 | dooplex | jelly-home and others, thought I'd let you know... editing /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf and sending all those dhcp options worked perfectly. My Etch boxes are all now registered in DNS dynamically. Thanks! |
| 11:14.09 | Noborusan | can i ask a non-linux question here please ,about the command ping ? |
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| 11:14.30 | Noborusan | hi abrotman,good morning |
| 11:14.35 | abrotman | hi |
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| 11:15.41 | claudio` | I'm trying to burn a DVD but i get problems about the size: http://rafb.net/p/Erv4bN32.html |
| 11:15.55 | claudio` | wodim think it's a CD while its a DVD. How can i fix this? |
| 11:16.02 | Noborusan | abrotman, can you tell me,ping can typically tell the truth about the connecting speeds to the site from the clients computer ? |
| 11:16.23 | abrotman | kind of |
| 11:16.34 | abrotman | it won't really give you sustained throughput |
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| 11:17.04 | liable | claudio`: use growisofs for dvd's |
| 11:17.25 | claudio` | liable: why? |
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| 11:18.00 | liable | claudio`: dunno, have always used it for dvd's |
| 11:18.12 | claudio` | ah, this is not a good reason. Sorry |
| 11:18.12 | claudio` | :p |
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| 11:18.28 | jerome | Hum. Off toic, but I'm looking for a decent personnal network backup device. I don't really like the idea of setting up another box with sw raid, so something like a nslu2 could be fine. Any advice ? |
| 11:18.32 | liable | struggle on then |
| 11:18.50 | ziroday | whats the difference between ubuntu and debian? |
| 11:19.16 | jerome | ziroday: the same as between #debian and #ubuntu. |
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| 11:19.38 | ziroday | jerome: what do mean? |
| 11:19.49 | jerome | ho, "debian is not ubuntu" msg has been removed from the topic. |
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| 11:20.05 | floundering | hi, I can not manage to boot the root partition by uuid or label but sometimes a random partition /home or /tmp gets mounted as root instead.. |
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| 11:20.47 | Noborusan | abrotman, i see. |
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| 11:23.28 | xand | hi, I'm trying to make spamassassin work using exim and sa-exim... I have enabled it in all the config files I can find, and told it to put three extra headers in messages, and i can see from the logs that it is running, but no messages have these headers in, so i'm guessing they're not being checked... what do i need to do to get all incoming mail to be scanned? :S |
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| 11:24.28 | xand | hmm, i shall read http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/511 |
| 11:25.56 | abrotman | you shall indeed! |
| 11:25.56 | test_ | what's the difference between multicast and broadcast |
| 11:25.56 | xand | written a week ago and suggests using sarge, tsk tsk |
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| 11:26.06 | floundering | when my boot drive gets assigned to sda, only the /dev/sda node gets created. there is no /dev/sda3 and the by-label or by-uuid just points to dev/sda |
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| 11:26.38 | floundering | How do I fix this? |
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| 11:31.32 | liable | floundering: paste your kernel log, something is very wrong there |
| 11:31.46 | liable | floundering: what have you done to achieve this feat? |
| 11:32.07 | abrotman | just a bit of floundering around ... |
| 11:32.19 | liable | !fish abrotman |
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| 11:32.30 | liable | wtf |
| 11:32.41 | abrotman | test_: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=difference+between+multicast+broadcast&btnG=Google+Search |
| 11:32.43 | liable | HaSH: who own you? |
| 11:32.48 | liable | HaSH: who owns you? |
| 11:32.49 | oza | Hey i've set my source lsit to etch but it wont upgrade the kernal from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 11:32.55 | abrotman | !fish |
| 11:32.55 | dpkg | fish is probably FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 11:32.56 | oza | shoudln't it do this wiht a dist-upgrade |
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| 11:33.12 | abrotman | oza: you've already done the upgrade? |
| 11:33.21 | abrotman | oza: (also .. do oyu have sata drives) |
| 11:33.36 | oza | why woudl i have sata drivers? |
| 11:33.41 | abrotman | drives .. not drivers |
| 11:33.43 | oza | and yes i've already run the dist-upgrade and upgrade |
| 11:33.54 | oza | oh nah i think its ide |
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| 11:34.26 | fireba11 | oza : no, kernels are never upgraded automatically |
| 11:34.36 | oza | thats a lie |
| 11:34.42 | oza | i've had the kernal upgrade itself before |
| 11:34.46 | floundering | liable: I fitted a scsi card for a scanner which stuffed hard drive assignment, updated the etch kernel which gave me a new initrd... |
| 11:34.52 | fireba11 | oza: UPGRADED not UPDATED |
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| 11:35.24 | oza | yeah i did upgrade and dist-upgrade |
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| 11:35.45 | fireba11 | oza : it will only install bugfix versions for the kerlen, not switch to newer versions |
| 11:35.50 | oza | when i dist-upgrade to etch i thought i would install 2.6 |
| 11:35.52 | abrotman | oza: what's your CPU ? |
| 11:35.56 | oza | ok |
| 11:35.59 | oza | so how do i now install 2.6 |
| 11:36.20 | abrotman | P4? athlon? what |
| 11:36.29 | liable | floundering: remove the card, remake the initrd, replace? |
| 11:36.30 | fireba11 | oza: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-flavour |
| 11:36.48 | oza | atm its got 386 |
| 11:36.54 | abrotman | it's really a 386? |
| 11:36.59 | liable | floundering: you could make a udev rule so they are constantly named also |
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| 11:37.03 | abrotman | as in .. 8Mhz? |
| 11:37.14 | oza | no as in i386 |
| 11:37.24 | abrotman | okay .. so what speed/family? |
| 11:37.33 | oza | ist not my box |
| 11:37.36 | oza | i'm finding out |
| 11:37.41 | abrotman | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:38.06 | oza | <oza> atm its got 386 |
| 11:38.14 | oza | model name : Celeron (Mendocino) |
| 11:38.15 | oza | thats better |
| 11:38.18 | abrotman | okay ... |
| 11:38.25 | abrotman | aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 11:38.45 | abrotman | isn't mendocino .. the first bit of celeron crapness ? |
| 11:38.46 | oza | ok its working |
| 11:39.27 | abrotman | ah .. the first ones to totally not suck |
| 11:39.32 | abrotman | still damn old |
| 11:40.07 | oza | yeah its mates box |
| 11:40.11 | oza | i wouldn't run a cel |
| 11:40.28 | floundering | liable: I had looked at udev rules and failed. so I did the uuid thing. I was still able to boot inconsistently but the new initrd has stopped that now. |
| 11:40.30 | oza | it will fix grub byitself yeah? |
| 11:41.34 | floundering | liable: will I be able to create the new initrd from knoppix? |
| 11:41.58 | oza | thanks for your help guys |
| 11:42.09 | abrotman | oza: grub should .. yes |
| 11:42.15 | liable | floundering: you should be able to chroot in and make it, yeah |
| 11:42.15 | abrotman | assuming a lilo.conf doesn't exist in /etc/ |
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| 11:45.29 | oza | abchirk: i checked the menu.lst in grub and it had it there |
| 11:45.30 | oza | :D |
| 11:45.31 | oza | thanks |
| 11:46.00 | abrotman | abchirk: you are the man! |
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| 11:46.16 | BleSS | hi! I want to build apache2 from source for a server. All right until now. $sudo apt-build source apache2 |
| 11:46.34 | BleSS | but, where are the configure options to change it? |
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| 11:46.42 | BleSS | s/it/them |
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| 11:47.40 | cydork | BleSS: /msg dpkg source |
| 11:47.41 | BleSS | apache2 eats a lot of memory and I want to disable options that I don't need |
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| 11:48.36 | abrotman | BleSS: in the rules file |
| 11:48.50 | BleSS | thanks |
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| 11:51.25 | DawnLight | does anyone know where there is a power search like in newegg.com? |
| 11:52.02 | DawnLight | where i can search for motherboards with a specific chipset for example |
| 11:52.19 | abrotman | newegg.com doesn't work ? |
| 11:52.48 | DawnLight | hi abrotman. it does but perhaps it doesn't have all the products in the market |
| 11:54.30 | abrotman | maybe pricewatch .. dunno .. ask #hardware |
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| 11:59.49 | hobophobe | I installed the linux-source package, but it does not include the debian/ directory (rules, etc.) It stipulates it is already patched, so are these not needed any longer? |
| 12:00.38 | morn|eri | hmh? make-kpkg? |
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| 12:01.52 | abrotman | hobophobe: that's the source used to build the kernel |
| 12:01.57 | hobophobe | Ah, thanks. I was going off of http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage and took the apt-get route rather than downloading and patching a kernel.org version |
| 12:02.07 | abrotman | i don't know if apt-get source linux-image-2.6<blah> would get you a rules file or not |
| 12:02.56 | DawnLight | hobophobe: it is already patched with the debian patch. i don't know what these rules that you are talking about are. make sure you use kernel-package. that makes things much more fun |
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| 12:04.19 | FranziskaI | hi, i have debian etch stable and am looking for a biorhythm tool |
| 12:04.29 | liable | it doesnt have a rules file, you need to configure it and use make-kpkg |
| 12:04.41 | niru | While I am installing any package in etch I get |
| 12:04.59 | niru | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' |
| 12:05.08 | abrotman | doubt you want to do that |
| 12:05.10 | niru | When I type so it aborts |
| 12:05.11 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:05.11 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 12:05.16 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:05.30 | niru | even if I type 'Yes, do as I say!' it shows aborted |
| 12:05.38 | niru | what is the reason |
| 12:05.43 | liable | lol |
| 12:05.48 | niru | I give apt-get install <package-name> |
| 12:05.51 | liable | just type Yes |
| 12:06.05 | liable | niru: sounds like you have missing keys |
| 12:06.32 | abrotman | streuner: what was wrong with the debian paste sites ? |
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| 12:07.01 | niru | liable, I typed Yes too but still did not work |
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| 12:07.52 | liable | niru: i havent ever seen the 'Yes, do as I say!' |
| 12:07.55 | Conhe | any here can downloads it for me . my ip blocked -->http://www.megaupload.com/pt/?d=E2VEBZZK |
| 12:08.08 | abrotman | streuner: and you put stupid bad slow paste sites .. wtf is wrong with you |
| 12:08.09 | liable | erm, no |
| 12:08.21 | niru | liable, even I too |
| 12:08.33 | niru | liable, I used to get type yes |
| 12:08.33 | HostilePenguin | vlc quit playing some .pls streams do i need new codecs? |
| 12:08.40 | niru | liable, what could be the reason |
| 12:08.45 | HostilePenguin | xmms quit too |
| 12:08.49 | cydork | niru: what did you before that? did you change the sources? |
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| 12:08.50 | liable | niru: get the keys for whatever repo you are using |
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| 12:09.21 | niru | liable, oh is it key problem |
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| 12:09.36 | niru | I am connecting to debian unstable |
| 12:09.55 | niru | liable, but when I connect to etch it is working fine |
| 12:10.14 | niru | liable, but whereas I am not generating the key for etch also |
| 12:10.21 | niru | but it works |
| 12:11.21 | liable | the keys are in debian-archive-keyring package |
| 12:11.39 | liable | i have no idea if its different between versions |
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| 12:11.56 | niru | liable, but how come it is working fine for debian etch but not unstable |
| 12:11.59 | cydork | liable: he doesn't have problems regarding keys. he changed the sources to point to sid. |
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| 12:12.16 | niru | cydork, yup I was pointing to unstable ie sid |
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| 12:12.44 | cydork | niru: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 12:12.57 | cydork | niru: don't do it! |
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| 12:17.29 | i-nZ | How can I use apt-get to resolve |
| 12:17.33 | i-nZ | libgtk2.0-0-dbg: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1) but 2:2.6.10-2.osso30 is to be installed |
| 12:17.48 | i-nZ | essentially i want to downgrade to 2:2.6.10-2.osso30 from 2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1 |
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| 12:18.05 | xand | i-nZ: wrong channel |
| 12:18.13 | i-nZ | no it is not the wrong channel |
| 12:18.16 | xand | yes it is |
| 12:18.18 | i-nZ | it is a debian embeded device |
| 12:18.20 | i-nZ | not ubuntu |
| 12:18.34 | xand | no debian packages depend on ubuntu ones |
| 12:18.44 | HostilePenguin | lol |
| 12:18.55 | i-nZ | it's an embeded device and I am asking an apt-get question |
| 12:19.01 | i-nZ | I thought apt-get is debian |
| 12:19.18 | xand | !based on debian |
| 12:19.18 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 12:19.20 | Arafangion | i-nZ: Debian has working depends. We aren't interested in fixing other people's depends. |
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| 12:19.52 | i-nZ | I didn't use that package intentionaly someone put it in a repository |
| 12:19.57 | ampache | yes you can use debian packages with ubuntu |
| 12:20.19 | cydork | ampache: so you can bork your install? |
| 12:20.21 | xand | i-nZ: a debian one? |
| 12:20.31 | i-nZ | i give up |
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| 12:20.34 | xand | i-nZ: what version of debian is it |
| 12:20.36 | xand | emo |
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| 12:21.54 | ampache | I have installed numerous debian packages on my ubuntu box, no borking yet |
| 12:22.08 | xand | that's nice |
| 12:22.42 | BehindY0u | what about the opposite? |
| 12:22.44 | liri | err, the system is stuck with dozen of D state processes and the load average is overwhelming (~350) |
| 12:22.54 | BehindY0u | ie using ubuntu's universe repository on debian |
| 12:22.56 | Arafangion | ampache: Just wait until you upgrade Ubuntu. :) |
| 12:23.10 | Arafangion | BehindY0u: Why the hell would you? |
| 12:23.21 | BehindY0u | for some apps |
| 12:23.27 | liri | killing processes wouldn't work cause they are uninterruptable |
| 12:23.32 | BehindY0u | like having blender's 2.44 binary |
| 12:23.33 | test_ | is it just me or bootsplash in debian package is incomplete |
| 12:23.38 | BehindY0u | and not using unstable |
| 12:23.42 | Parabola | BehindY0u remove the repo after you install the app, if you do an upgrade, you're going to ruin the install |
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| 12:24.00 | BehindY0u | never tried it :) |
| 12:24.08 | ampache | upgrade several time with out any borking |
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| 12:24.18 | aeolist | hello everyone |
| 12:24.23 | Arafangion | ampache: Why don't I believe that? |
| 12:24.32 | aeolist | how can i tell apt-get never to upgrade some packages like the kernel? |
| 12:24.32 | HostilePenguin | this is great |
| 12:24.33 | Parabola | lol |
| 12:24.52 | BehindY0u | blacklist aeolist |
| 12:25.01 | ampache | but that ok I use ubuntu and debian I love them both, |
| 12:25.12 | Parabola | Yeah |
| 12:25.15 | webustany | is 128mb of disk space enough to debootstrap ? |
| 12:25.25 | HostilePenguin | my new favorite is debian using e17 |
| 12:25.26 | Parabola | Ubuntu OOBE with one CD install is fantastic, but debian has its place |
| 12:25.28 | aeolist | so blacklist is a command? |
| 12:25.30 | aeolist | very nice |
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| 12:25.31 | aeolist | thanks |
| 12:25.46 | webustany | or to bootstrap a debian install, to be precise |
| 12:26.24 | aeolist | BehindY0u: so like, blacklist linux-386-* ?? |
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| 12:27.20 | abrotman | BehindY0u: no |
| 12:27.23 | abrotman | aeolist: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 12:28.08 | aeolist | anyway to do it through synaptic? |
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| 12:28.21 | abrotman | i'm sure there is .. dig around in synaptic docs |
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| 12:28.43 | hobophobe | in synaptics it's in the menus |
| 12:29.05 | vin` | aptitude hold foo |
| 12:29.21 | hobophobe | select a package, go to package on the menu -> lock version |
| 12:29.24 | Parabola | lol |
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| 12:30.07 | hobophobe | but if you do it in synaptic it doesn't hold on apt-get (there may be a way I'm unaware to get the locks to work with apt-get) |
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| 12:31.00 | CAiRO | which wlan usb adapter should i buy if i want to use it with debian? and it should be possible to connect an additonal antenna |
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| 12:31.57 | webustany | CAiRO: any ralink based adapter |
| 12:32.11 | webustany | CAiRO: http://ralink.rapla.net/ |
| 12:32.24 | cusco | usb is no good |
| 12:32.42 | CAiRO | i don't have any pci slots available |
| 12:32.48 | webustany | usb works |
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| 12:32.53 | webustany | with ralink |
| 12:32.57 | CAiRO | webustany: thanks |
| 12:33.02 | webustany | (and other chips too) |
| 12:33.08 | liable | do any usb cards have external jacks? |
| 12:33.18 | liable | get a cradbus |
| 12:33.25 | liable | cardbus even |
| 12:33.25 | tanlaan | anyone know of a gnutella network client that uses the CLI? |
| 12:33.27 | aeolist | thanks hobophobe |
| 12:33.38 | vin` | tanlaan: gift |
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| 12:33.57 | webustany | I don't understand how to run the debian installer from my hard drive |
| 12:33.57 | HostilePenguin | limewire |
| 12:33.58 | abrotman | tanlaan: there used to be gnut .. dunno if it's still around |
| 12:34.02 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: CLI CLI CLI |
| 12:34.12 | HostilePenguin | my bad |
| 12:34.16 | abrotman | try reading |
| 12:34.18 | webustany | tanlaan: mldonkey |
| 12:34.29 | webustany | though it's quite weird to use at first |
| 12:34.52 | abrotman | liked |
| 12:34.55 | berzerka | tanlaan: giFT |
| 12:35.06 | berzerka | can do several protocols |
| 12:35.47 | berzerka | has backends for the different protocols, which then combine in one frontend, of which a CLI version exists |
| 12:36.43 | tanlaan | I'm going to try out gift |
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| 12:37.25 | berzerka | havent used it intesively, but it seemed very nice to me.. |
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| 12:45.11 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 12:45.11 | dpkg | hmm... qotd34 is < primoturbo> how do I delete linux? < primoturbo> how do I delete debain and get something else < AciD> primoturbo > rm-rf / < primoturbo> Should I try OpenBSD? < asg> primoturbo: hahah |
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| 12:46.12 | vigneswari | hi all |
| 12:47.02 | hobophobe | If only removing the government were so easy. |
| 12:47.07 | tanlaan | What is a good console music player? |
| 12:47.23 | tanlaan | I remember using a really good one awhile back, but I forgot the name. |
| 12:47.33 | abrotman | mpg123? or mpg321? |
| 12:47.41 | webustany | the best combo is mpd + ncmpc |
| 12:47.43 | abrotman | apt-cache search broken for you ? |
| 12:47.44 | webustany | or mpc |
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| 12:48.12 | vigneswari | i tried installing bootsplash. it is getting installed but while booting the image is not coming. |
| 12:48.14 | azeem | tanlaan: try cplay, maybe |
| 12:48.29 | azeem | if you're looking for something like itunes on the console |
| 12:48.35 | vigneswari | what changes i have to do while booting? |
| 12:49.00 | tanlaan | azeem thanks, I will try it out. |
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| 12:50.59 | hobophobe | vigneswari, According to this recent forum discussion (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=14096&highlight=bootsplash) bootsplash requires a custom kernel. an alternative, 'splashy' does not. |
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| 12:51.40 | waqjan | how do I change the gcc target? |
| 12:51.55 | jduggan_ | How does one install SSL in apache on etch? installing apache-ssl seems to be grabbing 1.3.x? is this normal?? |
| 12:51.55 | avtobiff | target? |
| 12:52.04 | berzerka | waqjan: you have to build it yourself |
| 12:52.11 | hobophobe | vigneswari, there is discussion there of the pros and cons of each. |
| 12:52.27 | spheard | jduggan_: apache2-ssl? |
| 12:52.37 | vigneswari | hobophobe, i am reading that |
| 12:52.42 | waqjan | I have it on a pentium4, the kernel is for 686, yet gcc -v shows the target as 486 |
| 12:53.31 | jduggan_ | spheard: there's no such package |
| 12:53.41 | berzerka | waqjan: well this is a generic build. i guess you have to build it yourself for a specific target achitecture. correct me if i'm wrong. |
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| 12:54.07 | riot | hi. |
| 12:54.09 | HostilePenguin | my iceweasel wont open until i kill firefox-bin then i can stat it again whats the deal with that? |
| 12:54.18 | tanlaan | aha! found it. =] |
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| 12:54.30 | spheard | jduggan_ mod-ssl |
| 12:54.31 | tanlaan | top 10 linux console programs, was the list I had found. |
| 12:54.34 | abrotman | jduggan_: apache2 in etch already has ssl .. try a2enmod ssl |
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| 12:54.46 | berzerka | tanlaan: would you post the link? |
| 12:54.58 | riot | is there a good howto for mirroring a apt-repository locally? i don't want to get all the nice stuff five times anymore :> |
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| 12:55.08 | waqjan | can I use apt-get sourch -b for it? |
| 12:55.14 | waqjan | source* |
| 12:55.28 | abrotman | riot: apt-proxy is a simple method for something like that without having to mirror all of debian repos |
| 12:56.08 | riot | abrotman: Ok, i'm gonna try it.. :) |
| 12:56.16 | abrotman | !apt-proxy |
| 12:56.16 | dpkg | from memory, apt-proxy is a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. |
| 12:56.27 | abrotman | a bit vague .. but okay! |
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| 12:57.06 | riot | abrotman: aah, i found a nice explanation on debian-administration.org :D |
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| 12:58.30 | berzerka | waqjan: i don't know wether he would then rebuild the generic version. i would just get the source using apt-get source and the configure/make myself. |
| 12:58.42 | KeepW | on MySQL when i reboot my box, i loss some user passwords, and a lot of grants to stored procedures... what im doing wrong?? |
| 12:58.43 | berzerka | waqjan: you have to pass the target architecture to configure |
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| 13:00.04 | J_P | hi all |
| 13:00.04 | berzerka | this would be i686-pc-linux-gnu |
| 13:00.11 | abrotman | waqjan: look at the config .. not gcc |
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| 13:01.31 | crink | abrotman: can you ask directhex why he ban me? |
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| 13:01.54 | azeem | crink: banned you where? |
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| 13:02.09 | crink | azeem: debian-offtopic |
| 13:02.19 | azeem | crink: please discuss that elsewhere |
| 13:02.37 | abrotman | crink: you're well aware .. end of discussion |
| 13:02.52 | crink | abrotman: maybe |
| 13:02.54 | berzerka | abrotman: which config do you mean, regarding gcc target |
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| 13:03.53 | abrotman | berzerka: kernel config |
| 13:03.53 | KeepW | on MySQL when i reboot my box, i loss some user passwords, and a lot of grants to stored procedures... what im doing wrong?? |
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| 13:06.08 | zLinux | hi |
| 13:06.14 | zLinux | how to set the proxy for apt-get ? |
| 13:06.18 | zLinux | http proxy |
| 13:06.36 | zLinux | is it the same as wget config? |
| 13:07.37 | berzerka | abrotman: hmm i don't get that.. he said the kernel is built for i686. or does gcc -v go and look at the kernel config? nah... would you explain that, provided that you have time? |
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| 13:10.48 | abrotman | berzerka: he said gcc says 486 .. |
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| 13:11.35 | webustany | how can I load a module (.udeb) from the debian installer ? |
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| 13:17.26 | AdamPal | What's the best way to get a single figure for interface usage (kb/s) on the command line? |
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| 13:18.32 | webustany | AdamPal: there was an article on linux.com entitled "monitoring your bandwith with xxxx" where xxxx is the name of the software (which I forgotten of course). I think it did what you want |
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| 13:18.47 | AdamPal | I'll try and find it :-) thank you |
| 13:18.56 | webustany | np |
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| 13:20.04 | test_ | hi is there a package with animation icons for the mice |
| 13:20.32 | test_ | cursor |
| 13:20.48 | cydork | zLinux: it should respect http_proxy variable. but you can also set it in apt.conf check man apt.conf |
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| 13:23.01 | ErkiDerLoony | Hello! I'm running Debian testing and lately compiled my own 2.6.21 kernel. Since then my external usb hdd isn't added to /dev as sda1 any more. |
| 13:23.45 | vigneswari | i need patch-bootsplash for 2.6.17. any one know a link to download. |
| 13:24.00 | vigneswari | i searched, but i cant get |
| 13:24.08 | ErkiDerLoony | I have udev running and /var/log/messages reports "May 30 15:16:31 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7" and "May 30 15:16:31 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice". |
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| 13:25.39 | liable | ErkiDerLoony: looks like you deleted a module during config |
| 13:25.47 | vin` | ErkiDerLoony: you probably forgot to add usb-storage and sd_mod |
| 13:26.00 | berzerka | ErkiDerLoony: do you have CONFIG_USB_STORAGE enabled? |
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| 13:28.19 | ErkiDerLoony | berzerka: Yes, I have it enabled. |
| 13:28.40 | vigneswari | is patch-bootsplash for kernel 2.6.17 available? |
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| 13:29.35 | wols | vigneswari: very unlikely since debian doesN#t shipt with that kernel version |
| 13:29.40 | ErkiDerLoony | berzerka: Oh, I just see, I haven't. But I cannot enable it. It's written in grey colour in qconf. |
| 13:30.08 | wols | vigneswari: why can't you use an etch kernel? |
| 13:30.29 | berzerka | ErkiDerLoony: can you get the help for that entry ('?' in menuconfig), it should show you the requirements |
| 13:30.42 | berzerka | ErkiDerLoony: i guess you need sata disk support also |
| 13:31.01 | ErkiDerLoony | berzerka: Ah, thanks! I see that I need SCSI support. |
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| 13:31.11 | ErkiDerLoony | I shall enable sata disk support anyway. |
| 13:31.44 | vigneswari | wols, 2.6.18/ |
| 13:31.46 | vigneswari | ? |
| 13:32.39 | wols | vigneswari: yes |
| 13:32.56 | vigneswari | wols ok. i ll try |
| 13:33.46 | vigneswari | wols then it is not possible to use bootsplash with kernel 2.6.17? |
| 13:34.19 | wols | it is I guess, but debian doesn't provide either, so it would be OT here |
| 13:34.32 | wols | !bootsplash |
| 13:34.32 | dpkg | bootsplash is, like, http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
| 13:34.44 | ErkiDerLoony | berzerka: Thanks a lot! I shall reboot now and see if it works. |
| 13:35.08 | berzerka | ErkiDerLoony: i am full of anticipation :) |
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| 13:37.02 | x_link | hrmm |
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| 13:37.19 | x_link | Hasn't been any updates/upgrades for testing for over a week now. |
| 13:37.29 | x_link | A bit strange. |
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| 13:39.45 | gonzaloaf | hi why always when I compile something wrote in Kate I receive this warning: test.c:5:2: warning: no newline at end of file |
| 13:39.54 | berzerka | is it possible that apt-get better resolves broken dependencies than aptitude does? |
| 13:40.12 | berzerka | gonzaloaf: well add a newline at the end of the file. |
| 13:40.26 | cast | gonzaloaf: its good practice to have the last byte of a text file be a newline |
| 13:40.33 | gonzaloaf | berzerka, when I write the same with vim I have no warnings |
| 13:42.08 | berzerka | gonzaloaf: vim and i guess emacs too, adds them per default (or asks the user..) |
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| 13:42.08 | gonzaloaf | why is it a good practice? |
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| 13:42.08 | chops | berzerka: I would trust aptitude over apt-get personally |
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| 13:42.09 | chops | gonzaloaf: cat your program. Is the last line missing? |
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| 13:42.09 | berzerka | gonzaloaf: for example: write something into a text file and then do cat thatfile |
| 13:42.09 | cast | because i read it once :\. personalyl my annoyance is if i cat afile which doesn't end with \n my promt is on the end of the last line |
| 13:42.10 | berzerka | exactly.. |
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| 13:42.24 | berzerka | i guess it is also of use when concatenating files |
| 13:42.37 | chops | cast: FWIW, modern versions of zsh handle that correctly. They print a bold percent sign where the missing newline is, and insert a newline, so that the prompt still starts on the following line. |
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| 13:42.56 | gonzaloaf | berzerka, I got many weird characters |
| 13:43.16 | berzerka | when doint the 'cat'? |
| 13:43.27 | berzerka | well you probably use a different character set. |
| 13:43.31 | chops | cast: The bold percent sign is also used in a few other situations to indicate "there's not meant to be a newline here, but I'm inserting one so your terminal won't look stupid." |
| 13:43.36 | chops | gonzaloaf: The source, not the binary :-) |
| 13:43.41 | gonzaloaf | berzerka, ooh I'm sorry I cat the binary |
| 13:43.55 | berzerka | gonzaloaf: hehe, well then. but what we wrote above still applies |
| 13:44.27 | gonzaloaf | berzerka, because the last line appears in the begin of the last one? |
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| 13:45.05 | gonzaloaf | I got it |
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| 13:45.10 | berzerka | :) |
| 13:45.58 | gonzaloaf | Now I have another question, when I open a utf-8 enconded file with gedit I see the correct chraracters, but when I open it with Kate I see some weird characters, any clue? |
| 13:46.25 | KeepW | gonzaloaf: probaste con los locales? |
| 13:46.28 | KeepW | ;) |
| 13:46.35 | chops | gonzaloaf: Set $LANG to your desired character set before launching kate |
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| 13:47.02 | chops | gonzaloaf: If at all possible it's recommended to set one encoding at login and keep all your files in that encoding. |
| 13:47.48 | gonzaloaf | chops, but what encoding is it? I'm using iso8859-1 |
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| 13:48.17 | chops | gonzaloaf: You just said it was UTF-8. Say: 'export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 && kate' |
| 13:48.34 | Darth_Tux | is there a command to reconfigure internet from scratch? kinda like during the instal? |
| 13:48.59 | chops | gonzaloaf: If you want to work with UTF-8 encoded files, it's probably better to set your encoding to UTF-8 and convert any existing iso8859-1 files to UTF-8. |
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| 13:49.01 | gonzaloaf | chops, I mean I'm using iso8859-1 in my system... the file I was talking before werein utf-8 |
| 13:49.15 | cast | Darth_Tux: sure, vim /etc/network/interfaces ;) |
| 13:49.15 | waqjan | Darth_Tux: ifconfig |
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| 13:49.23 | gonzaloaf | chops, is utf-8 better than iso8859-1? |
| 13:49.42 | Darth_Tux | cast, what would happen if i deleted that file? |
| 13:49.54 | cast | Darth_Tux: i'm not sure, you'd get no network on reboot |
| 13:50.19 | Darth_Tux | and then what command would build it again? |
| 13:50.24 | gonzaloaf | KeepW, mis locales estan en español, pero el lenguaje de mi sistema en ingles |
| 13:50.26 | cast | nfi. |
| 13:50.32 | chops | gonzaloaf: Hard to say "better." It represents many more characters and is more standard. The multi-byte encoding will confuse some things, though (e.g. you'll have to go back to iso8859-1 in text-mode consoles, and some man page characters will have trouble when you cut-and-paste). |
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| 13:51.04 | chops | gonzaloaf: Personally I use UTF-8 and like it very much, but YMMV. Trying to deal with files in two different encodings is going to be a PITA in the long run, though. |
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| 13:51.15 | berzerka | Darth_Tux: you can get exactly the dialog from the installation using dpkg-reconfigure net-base or something, or can't you? ill look it up |
| 13:51.26 | berzerka | hmm hes gone :/ |
| 13:51.32 | cast | Darth_Tux: don't try to avoid editing text files in *nix, text files are fundamental to dealing with the environment, the syn...oh damnit hes gone. |
| 13:52.12 | gonzaloaf | chops, ok I understand thanks |
| 13:52.19 | chops | gonzaloaf: np |
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| 13:53.15 | what_if | anyone here succesfully used the "snapscreenshot" program ? All I get is vertical lines as output |
| 13:53.37 | webustany | what_if: you may use imagemagick instead |
| 13:53.54 | chops | what_if: I use scrot |
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| 13:54.13 | chops | what_if: Also, if snapscreenshot is malfunctioning, it's good form to check the BTS and file a bug if there's not one |
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| 13:54.35 | webustany | can I create a custom debian setup image ? I'd like the equivalent of the 4 floppies boot+root+net-drivers on my harddisk |
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| 13:57.12 | what_if | chops: I assume that scrot will capture ncurses programs, the projects page does not state one way or another |
| 13:57.34 | chops | what_if: It'll capture them if they're in an xterm on your X display :-) |
| 13:57.41 | wols | webustany: you can. #debian-boot on oftc would be the place for that afaik |
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| 13:57.51 | webustany | wols: thanks |
| 13:58.11 | wols | !custom install cd |
| 13:58.15 | yang | Is there a special driver for ATI Radeon 9200 card, currently I am using VESA driver? |
| 13:58.21 | wols | there was a factoid for this... |
| 13:58.23 | wols | yang: ati |
| 13:58.23 | what_if | chops: not an option, I need to screenshot debian installer in ncurses mode |
| 13:58.38 | wols | !custom CD |
| 13:58.38 | dpkg | i guess custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian |
| 13:58.44 | yang | wols: what is the benefit of replacing vesa with ati, could you tell me? |
| 13:58.45 | wols | webustany: ^^ |
| 13:58.54 | wols | yang: hardware acceleration |
| 13:59.15 | yang | wols: so just dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server |
| 13:59.19 | wols | yes |
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| 13:59.41 | chops | what_if: Ugh, I'm not sure how to do that, sorry. Run the installer in UML? :-/ |
| 13:59.59 | wols | chops: not UML |
| 14:00.10 | wols | but stuff like vmware or qemu can work |
| 14:00.13 | yang | wols: there is also one setting, said on the ATI website, that the card supports 160HZ on 1024x1280...I am wondering where I place this setting in xorg.conf? |
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| 14:00.14 | what_if | chops: I may have to... or just digi-cam it :) |
| 14:00.16 | liable | you wont be able to screenshot the installer |
| 14:00.16 | wols | UML needs modified kernels |
| 14:00.29 | wols | yang: your card is not supported by ati.com anymore |
| 14:00.39 | yang | wols: ok |
| 14:00.54 | chops | what_if: digicam will be your most straightforward option I believe |
| 14:01.01 | wols | liable: if it runs inside a VM he can |
| 14:01.07 | chops | wols: Quite right. |
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| 14:03.32 | yang | wols: do i need to "Use kernel framebuffer device interface?" ? |
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| 14:03.53 | wols | no |
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| 14:09.20 | themill | Every 20s or so, I see the following line in /var/log/messages: "ata1: port is slow to respond, please be patient (Status 0xd1)" followed by "ata1: soft resetting port". Is this a problem? |
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| 14:09.27 | Tadelusz | CzeϾ Coweater ! |
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| 14:09.59 | YanZh | Hi everybody, a frogy's speaking |
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| 14:10.07 | chops | themill: It could be |
| 14:10.21 | YanZh | i'v got a problem with xdtv |
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| 14:10.49 | themill | chops: how can I tell if it is? (I know nothing about SATA or the new libata) |
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| 14:10.58 | ma3x | hello |
| 14:11.23 | YanZh | does anybody knows what to do with this error : /dev/video0 [v4l2]: ioctl VIDIOC_S_FBUF: Operation not permitted |
| 14:11.23 | YanZh | v4l-conf: You should install me suid root, I need |
| 14:11.23 | YanZh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.23 | YanZh | xdtv_v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway |
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| 14:11.28 | ma3x | I tried booting from the debian mini install CD, and I chose start shell, but I was unable to mount any of the hard disks. it says some kind of error |
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| 14:11.32 | ma3x | any idea how to mount them? |
| 14:11.37 | ma3x | it said something like invalid argument |
| 14:11.38 | azeem | ma3x: dude |
| 14:11.45 | ma3x | yeah |
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| 14:11.45 | azeem | "some kind of error" is totally useless |
| 14:11.58 | chops | ma3x: Well, we'll give you some kind of help with your problem |
| 14:12.01 | ma3x | azeem, I remember XFS in dmesg bad magic number |
| 14:12.03 | YanZh | /dev/video0 [v4l2]: ioctl VIDIOC_S_FBUF: Operation not permitted |
| 14:12.09 | ma3x | and invalid argument on the command line |
| 14:12.10 | xand | ma3x: there's some kind of fix. |
| 14:12.12 | chops | ma3x: I have a feeling you need to take some kind of steps :-) |
| 14:12.12 | wols | azeem: you see who asked the question? even if he should know since it's not hist first day here? |
| 14:12.16 | azeem | ma3x: how about you *write it down* and then reproduce it here |
| 14:12.47 | ma3x | azeem, it seemed useless to me, because I thought it has to be done in another way |
| 14:12.53 | ma3x | /dev/lun0 something like that? |
| 14:12.57 | azeem | ma3x: then don't ask us about it |
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| 14:13.08 | conico | hello i do a apt-get update and upgrade and it says The following packages have been kept back: mysql-client mysql-server .why they are kept back? |
| 14:13.10 | ma3x | the execute shell said "hard disks are going to be mounted under /target" but no such dir |
| 14:13.19 | ma3x | azeem, well I told you! |
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| 14:13.25 | ma3x | I gave you 3 refs |
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| 14:13.43 | chops | conico: What version are you running? |
| 14:13.47 | cydork | conico: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 14:13.49 | liable | YanZh: theres probably a video group that may help |
| 14:13.50 | piztek3 | I'm trying to change the timing on my ram, but the hard disk is getting errors when I do so. |
| 14:13.53 | ma3x | azeem, have you never done mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 from the mini install CD? |
| 14:14.04 | conico | ii mysql-server 4.0.24-10sarge |
| 14:14.04 | ma3x | I assume you have done this, and you know already the problem |
| 14:14.10 | techbee | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.12 | piztek3 | can anyone help? |
| 14:14.14 | Blackhold | hello, I'm trying to access to a server that has got a cups, I'm trying to access via web to 631 port but says me that access is forbidden, in cups config file I added Listen *:631, what's happening? |
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| 14:14.44 | Blackhold | I'm accessig to that server from an other computer |
| 14:14.44 | ma3x | or suggest me a distro that works on a CD except knoppix |
| 14:14.55 | wols | ma3x: DSL |
| 14:15.18 | ma3x | wols, it has 64 bit version? |
| 14:15.24 | liable | Blackhold: you need to add access rights to other ip's |
| 14:15.26 | liable | admin |
| 14:15.35 | tarzeau | ma3x: i tried the latest nvidia binary driver, works like a champ |
| 14:15.41 | wols | pihhan: if you hardware can't take your overclocking, how is this a dbeian problem? |
| 14:15.48 | tarzeau | ma3x: http://livecd.gnustep.org/ 32bit ... |
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| 14:15.54 | wols | ma3x: why would you need that with a liveCD? |
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| 14:16.11 | ma3x | tarzeau, I need 64 bit. the installation I'm trying to rescue is 64 bit. with 32bit live CD I can't chroot to it |
| 14:16.24 | pihhan | wols, excuse me, i dont understand what is all about |
| 14:16.24 | YanZh | does anybody knows something about my error with xdtv pease |
| 14:16.27 | wols | ma3x: ubuntu has liveCDs... |
| 14:16.27 | liable | Blackhold: did you restart cupsd as well? |
| 14:16.28 | tarzeau | ma3x: i see, i gotta build an amd64 version then |
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| 14:16.35 | ma3x | tarzeau, of what? |
| 14:16.43 | tarzeau | ma3x: of http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 14:16.49 | ma3x | its your project? |
| 14:16.50 | wols | pihhan: the one I responded too left before I finished typing. wrong nick complete (it was "pizteek) |
| 14:16.55 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes |
| 14:16.58 | ma3x | cool |
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| 14:17.47 | piztek3 | can the grey nvidia background be disabled? the one shown at first login? |
| 14:17.54 | tarzeau | piztek3: yes |
| 14:17.57 | ma3x | what's actually ubuntu - it comes without kde and gnome, right? |
| 14:18.04 | tarzeau | ma3x: with gnome |
| 14:18.07 | tarzeau | ma3x: kubuntu with kde |
| 14:18.10 | ma3x | is there a version without X? |
| 14:18.12 | piztek3 | tarzeau: could you help me disbable it |
| 14:18.18 | tarzeau | ma3x: you can start it in servermode without X |
| 14:18.33 | ma3x | tarzeau, how? you can choose that in the menu? |
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| 14:18.57 | Blackhold | http://rafb.net/p/p6lj6g22.html |
| 14:18.58 | tarzeau | ma3x: at the boot loader on the cd (syslinux isolinux or whatever) |
| 14:19.00 | piztek3 | tarzeau: how do i disable it |
| 14:19.02 | Blackhold | liable: |
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| 14:19.06 | conico | can i upgrade to mysql-server 4.0.24-10sarge to 5.0.41-1.dotdeb.1 peacefully? |
| 14:19.08 | tarzeau | piztek3: Option "NoLogo" "1" |
| 14:19.14 | tarzeau | !nosplash |
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| 14:19.25 | piztek3 | not the splash, but the grey background |
| 14:19.29 | tarzeau | dpkg nosplash is NVIDIA: Option "NoLogo" "1" |
| 14:19.29 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 14:19.31 | piztek3 | splash is already disabled |
| 14:19.38 | tarzeau | piztek3: what grey background? |
| 14:19.44 | tarzeau | piztek3: that black and white one? |
| 14:19.55 | tarzeau | piztek3: that's X. just load some window manager that changes it |
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| 14:19.58 | piztek3 | when i first log in it's grey, then goes to my desktop |
| 14:20.09 | tarzeau | piztek3: you don't want X? |
| 14:20.17 | tarzeau | piztek3: you use startx ? |
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| 14:20.33 | tarzeau | piztek3: you can try to load some background image loader at very first ... |
| 14:20.38 | piztek3 | no, i auto-login |
| 14:20.48 | ma3x | tarzeau, is it like you press F2 and then you read the boot codes? and you sure this option is called exactly server mode? or something like it" |
| 14:20.51 | tarzeau | piztek3: without password? no dm? |
| 14:20.58 | cydork | conico: i wont trust dotdeb packages. there is backports.org which should the required packages for you. |
| 14:21.01 | piztek3 | correct |
| 14:21.04 | tarzeau | ma3x: no idea, i don't use ubuntu |
| 14:21.07 | azeem | ma3x: please ask #ubuntu |
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| 14:22.51 | wols | ma3x: alternative install cd. and now go away unless you have a debian question |
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| 14:23.17 | wols | cydork: why not install etch? it's the current stable now and has mysql5 |
| 14:23.24 | wols | doh |
| 14:23.32 | wols | conico: why not install etch? it's the current stable now and has mysql5 |
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| 14:23.53 | conico | i ahve sarge now |
| 14:24.01 | liable | !nickometer {V}{e}[K]{i}{L} |
| 14:24.02 | conico | i am afaraid of conflicts |
| 14:24.03 | dpkg | '{V}{e}[K]{i}{L}' is 99.9645% lame, liable |
| 14:24.14 | conico | it is a critical machine |
| 14:24.25 | tombs | lol |
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| 14:24.28 | berzerka | hehe how cool is that :) |
| 14:24.29 | azeem | conico: then clone the machine and test an upgrade first |
| 14:24.30 | conico | and some wanted to do subqueries |
| 14:24.37 | berzerka | !nickometer liable |
| 14:24.39 | dpkg | 'liable' is 0.000% lame, berzerka |
| 14:24.45 | berzerka | !nickometer berzerka |
| 14:24.46 | dpkg | 'berzerka' is 0.000% lame, berzerka |
| 14:24.51 | azeem | berzerka: please /msg the bot |
| 14:24.52 | berzerka | ha!! ;) |
| 14:24.52 | cydork | berzerka: you can use /msg too |
| 14:24.57 | berzerka | oh im sorry |
| 14:25.02 | liable | i shouldn't have started that.. |
| 14:25.05 | berzerka | won't do it again |
| 14:25.07 | azeem | liable: indeed |
| 14:25.14 | cydork | liable: na that nick deserved it ;) |
| 14:25.18 | Blackhold | liable: I'd restarted and do a force-reload also |
| 14:25.22 | liable | azeem: i couldnt help it with that nick though :) |
| 14:25.34 | tombs | anyone using wireless card SMC2802w ? |
| 14:25.35 | azeem | liable: /msg dpkg :P |
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| 14:26.29 | liable | Blackhold: cupsd conf layout changed a bit from sarge, i ended up reverting to my old conf. i'll paste it if you like |
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| 14:28.18 | Narada | hi when debian says unpacking does that mean directly to filesystem or in a temp location? |
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| 14:29.06 | sn0 | Narada it means unpacking to the filesystem location |
| 14:29.26 | sn0 | locations* |
| 14:29.27 | Narada | k |
| 14:29.33 | kryptoz | Hi guys .. |
| 14:29.42 | sn0 | afaik .debs don't use /tmp but i may be wrong, clarification welcome |
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| 14:30.18 | kryptoz | anyone faced issues with intel pro wireless card + etch ? |
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| 14:31.03 | wols | !tell kryptoz about anyone |
| 14:31.04 | sn0 | kryptoz im sure that many/few have problems/no problems |
| 14:31.09 | hoarycripple | how can I remove gdm from loading at boot? is it to remove it from the default runlevel, i.e. "sudo update-rc.d remove gdm default?" |
| 14:31.29 | wols | hoarycripple: #ubuntu is -> that way |
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| 14:32.33 | liable | kryptoz: which card? |
| 14:32.49 | azeem | hoarycripple: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 14:32.49 | wols | rather: which chip? |
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| 14:33.37 | liable | semantics |
| 14:33.53 | kryptoz | intel pro wireless 2200 |
| 14:34.10 | wols | !ipw2200 |
| 14:34.11 | dpkg | methinks ipw2200 is available in etch or kernels >= 2.6.15. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
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| 14:34.26 | liable | its supported, you just need the firmware |
| 14:35.39 | hoarycripple | azeem, thank you. |
| 14:35.40 | liable | that project page shouldnt even really be there, its in the kernel now |
| 14:36.08 | tech13 | My mouse sees double clicks when I single click. Anything to check before going out and getting a new mouse? using KDE, not using gpm |
| 14:36.17 | liable | intel love to get there drivers in the kernel and then stop supporting them |
| 14:36.24 | kryptoz | Okay I found some details in the linux-laptop.net |
| 14:36.44 | tech13 | and my mouse only does sees double clicks some of the time. |
| 14:36.50 | vin` | tech13: there's a setting in kde control center, iirc |
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| 14:38.01 | tech13 | vin` thank you. |
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| 14:38.23 | JEnnYKolbexx | hi |
| 14:38.24 | Blackhold | liable: thnks |
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| 14:39.01 | liable | Blackhold: sec |
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| 14:39.52 | Blackhold | liable: that's my actual config file: http://rafb.net/p/p6lj6g22.html |
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| 14:40.22 | liable | Blackhold: http://rafb.net/p/hJb9pG98.html |
| 14:40.24 | JEnnYKolbexx | i have a system monitor icon in panel, that displays that my CPU is running 100% when i look in to processes the only thing that is running is system-monitor with around 4-20% and the rest is sleeping, where are these other proceses that are running it up to 100% ? |
| 14:41.05 | chops | JEnnYKolbexx: What does 'top' say? |
| 14:41.07 | chops | JEnnYKolbexx: Also, how many CPUs do you have? |
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| 14:41.18 | JEnnYKolbexx | one |
| 14:41.26 | liable | Blackhold: change ip's of course, ethereal/tcpdump can be helpfull to see if the printer is showing itself on the network |
| 14:41.26 | JEnnYKolbexx | amdXP2800 |
| 14:41.51 | JEnnYKolbexx | ? top ? |
| 14:41.52 | liable | Blackhold: cupsd log is cryptic to the point of being useless i have found :) |
| 14:42.03 | kpearce | hey, is it possible to use a box as an ethernet bridge, and still have the same box as a normal ethernet peer? |
| 14:42.06 | JEnnYKolbexx | ok |
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| 14:42.22 | kpearce | (all the docs I have been able to find on ethernet bridging besides the brctl manpage appear to be dated) |
| 14:42.27 | simmerz | can someone help me with a basic IPtables config file to block a particular IP address? I'm not well up on iptables and just need a quick fix until I can sort it properly |
| 14:42.43 | JEnnYKolbexx | boinc, but i aptitude purge´d boinc |
| 14:42.45 | JEnnYKolbexx | hmm |
| 14:42.46 | JEnnYKolbexx | thanx |
| 14:43.04 | infester | simmerz: #iptables |
| 14:43.28 | simmerz | infester: ok thanks |
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| 14:45.31 | JEnnYKolbexx | !boinc |
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| 14:46.53 | wols | kpearce: the bridged interface can have an IP like any other interface, yes |
| 14:47.16 | minerale | what package do I need to get the linker (ld) |
| 14:47.28 | kpearce | wols: does the debian stock kernel work with this, or does it still require a recompile? |
| 14:47.34 | minerale | got it, build-essential |
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| 14:48.04 | petemc | simmerz: ip route add prohibit 1.2.3.4 |
| 14:48.13 | Blackhold | liable: thanks you much :D |
| 14:48.30 | liable | Blackhold: works? |
| 14:48.37 | Blackhold | yes :) |
| 14:48.47 | liable | sweet |
| 14:49.18 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 14:49.19 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 14:49.40 | Blackhold | liable: if I would to like to define a network? |
| 14:49.50 | Blackhold | only putting 192.168.x.0 will work? |
| 14:49.57 | Blackhold | or 192.168.x. |
| 14:49.58 | Blackhold | ? |
| 14:50.01 | wols | kpearce: it will work |
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| 14:50.41 | JEnnYKolbexx | chops here is a paste of ´top´ http://paste.debian.net/29243 |
| 14:51.04 | wols | !tell minerale about b-e |
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| 14:51.25 | liable | Blackhold: not sure, i havent messed with that config for about two years. i briefly tried to fix it for the etch upgrade, but gave up |
| 14:51.28 | wols | Blackhold: put that IP where? interfaces? |
| 14:51.38 | kpearce | wols: then I'm not sure why I can't get mine to work. Whenever I add an interface to a bridge with brctl, that interface stops working. The other side fo the bridge doesn't work either (even after ifconfig <bridge_name> up) |
| 14:51.45 | JEnnYKolbexx | how do i get user boinc out of there |
| 14:51.45 | simmerz | petemc: cheers. I googled and used iptables -I -n ip.add.re.ss -j DROP |
| 14:51.50 | Blackhold | mmmm it seems that is working |
| 14:51.57 | teclo | Hello. In /etc/network/interfaces, I have configured eth0 and wlan0. I would like to change /etc/network/interfaces so that eth0 is configured *but* is not enabled at boot time, only wlan0 enabled at boot time. How can I do that ? |
| 14:52.00 | RvGaTe | A while ago i noticed that Gaim has been renamed to Pidgin, but pidgin is not in the lenny repo's, how come? |
| 14:52.00 | wols | kpearce: stop working in what way? |
| 14:52.10 | Blackhold | yes... it works like this... |
| 14:52.20 | wols | kpearce: and did you assign an IP to the bridge (the bridge is a new interface) |
| 14:52.27 | rahul | damn stoned fool |
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| 14:52.40 | cydork | !why is pidgin not in testing |
| 14:52.40 | dpkg | pidgin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=pidgin |
| 14:52.46 | cydork | RvGaTe: ^^ |
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| 14:52.57 | prock_ | after upgrading sarge->etch dovecot is prompting my outlook users for passwords (I can fetchmail just fine). I notice the config file has changed significantly, does anyone have some suggestions? |
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| 14:53.04 | kpearce | wols: no. Do I do that with the ifconfig command? Should it be the same ip as the interface or a different one? |
| 14:53.11 | Blackhold | http://rafb.net/p/8WPuCy54.html liable wols |
| 14:53.19 | kpearce | that is, the interface I'm trying to go out through |
| 14:53.36 | RvGaTe | cydork, ah, thx, didn't know that |
| 14:53.54 | wols | !tell kpearce about interfaces |
| 14:54.32 | chops | JEnnYKolbexx: That screenshot shows setiathome taking all the idle CPU cycles, with not a lot else going on on the system. I'm not sure why the other monitoring tool doesn't show things the same way, but that looks to me like what's going on. |
| 14:54.38 | wols | the bridge is an interface like any other. and the old interfaces eth0, eth1, etc don't really exist anymore. read the bridge howto. it's old but valid |
| 14:54.59 | JEnnYKolbexx | it is strange |
| 14:55.04 | JEnnYKolbexx | how can i stop it? |
| 14:55.19 | kpearce | wols: ok. I was looking at the bridging howto before. I'll take another look, and try editing the interfaces file to deal with it. thanks. |
| 14:55.20 | JEnnYKolbexx | or even delete from my system |
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| 14:55.37 | chops | kpearce: The old interfaces still exist, but they don't have IP addresses, is the way I like to think about it. |
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| 14:56.05 | wols | JEnnYKolbexx: deluser |
| 14:56.07 | JEnnYKolbexx | or kill -9 4428 |
| 14:56.08 | Yaroon | Doesn't anyone here have troubles updating the MySQL dabatase through apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 14:56.09 | wols | and to stop boinc: you makre sure it's not started anymore |
| 14:56.16 | Yaroon | Happened on a couple of servers now... it just hangs. |
| 14:56.24 | Yaroon | Setting up mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.38-1) ... |
| 14:56.25 | Yaroon | Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/mysql-ndb ... |
| 14:56.25 | Yaroon | Installing new version of config file /etc/mysql/debian-start ... |
| 14:56.25 | Yaroon | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
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| 14:56.41 | Yaroon | 4 measly lines :( |
| 14:56.43 | Yaroon | Anyway. |
| 14:56.45 | Yaroon | It hangs. |
| 14:56.48 | liable | Yaroon: sarge -> etch? |
| 14:56.50 | wols | !tell teclo about enter |
| 14:56.51 | Yaroon | Yes. |
| 14:56.52 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:56.59 | wols | !tell Yaroon about enter |
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| 14:57.18 | minerale | what is the current verion of libglib in testing? |
| 14:57.24 | liable | Yaroon: i have heard that before, i cant recall the fix, nothing in the release notes? |
| 14:57.27 | azeem | minerale: packages.debian.org knows |
| 14:57.28 | Yaroon | wols? |
| 14:57.32 | Yaroon | liable: not really. |
| 14:57.36 | Yaroon | It's kidn of bugging me. |
| 14:57.42 | chops | JEnnYKolbexx: setiathome, you mean? Do you know how it was installed (from Debian repo or how)? |
| 14:57.47 | wols | !tell Yaroon about enter |
| 14:58.13 | andrewtaylor_ | hi - i have a web application that requires a specific proprietary font, in windows you download the font and copy it to the fonts directory. Would something similar be possible with firefox running on etch ? |
| 14:58.18 | Yaroon | wols: shut up man. |
| 14:58.20 | Yaroon | 4 lines. |
| 14:58.36 | chops | !tell Yaroon about pastebin |
| 14:58.37 | wols | it's not your stupid pasting. it's your excessive use of the enter key |
| 14:59.05 | liable | chill out folks |
| 14:59.25 | RvGaTe | Yaroon, aka, type as many characters in one sentince, makes it easyer to read for us |
| 14:59.32 | jelly | But really. |
| 14:59.33 | jelly | This. |
| 14:59.34 | liable | andrewtaylor_: msstcorefonts are available in non-free |
| 14:59.36 | jelly | Is annoying. |
| 14:59.49 | andrewtaylor_ | no - it's a proprietary font, supplied by the web application we need to use |
| 15:00.00 | azeem | "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" |
| 15:00.10 | RvGaTe | liable, great, didn't know that :) |
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| 15:00.30 | wols | azeem: but the protocol which has this motto is very very broken... |
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| 15:00.49 | jelly | wols: oh, it can apply to more than SMTP. |
| 15:00.55 | azeem | wols: how is this relevant? |
| 15:01.43 | RvGaTe | liable, btw its: msttcorefonts |
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| 15:02.15 | liable | RvGaTe: you should well know by now that i cant type for shit :P |
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| 15:02.39 | RvGaTe | liable, thats why people like me keep correcting you :P |
| 15:02.52 | JosefAssad | RvGaTe: s/thats/that's/ |
| 15:03.17 | JosefAssad | heh |
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| 15:03.24 | chops | andrewtaylor_: You can configure X to use extra font directories... the last time I looked at it, you also had to set up font caches and all sorts of wierd non-trivial stuff, but that might be different now. You can try adding the appropriate font directory and read the X logs to see if it's working. |
| 15:03.51 | andrewtaylor_ | i can't believe it's so complicated |
| 15:04.00 | andrewtaylor_ | thanks for the advice, i might give it a misss |
| 15:04.03 | RvGaTe | andrewtaylor_, http://survivor.sarovar.org/Install_Fonts.html |
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| 15:05.09 | andrewtaylor_ | thank RvGaTe - that doesn't seem too bad |
| 15:05.17 | Yaroon | Well #debian sure went downhill in userfriendliness... /me pines the days of greycat :( |
| 15:05.21 | chops | andrewtaylor_: Yes, font handling is one of a large number of things that X makes more complicated than it really needs to be :-/. Some of the stupidness of it is just because X is so old and has lived through so many generations of font technology. |
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| 15:05.29 | rahul | !penixstrike Yaroon |
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| 15:05.34 | rahul | I'll show you user friendliness |
| 15:05.42 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Yaroon to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 15:06.05 | andrewtaylor_ | in reality if the web application wasn't so windows-centric, we wouldn't have this problem at all. It was funny trying to watch the salesman install the font package on to a debian livecd though :) |
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| 15:06.23 | Mustang_Matt | What's the best way for me to troubleshoot myserious random reboots? |
| 15:06.32 | rahul | check logs |
| 15:06.36 | rahul | and use memtest86 |
| 15:07.08 | JosefAssad | and try unloading as many kernel modules as possible, then r-introducing them one by one till it keels over |
| 15:07.16 | chops | andrewtaylor_: Out of curiosity, what exactly is it about this font that makes it so required? Is it just the precise dimensions, or is it used for non-character-rendering-related things? |
| 15:07.26 | jelly | Mustang_Matt: is it a server machine? if you have a serial port, create a serial console and see if the kernel cries before rebooting |
| 15:07.37 | Mustang_Matt | jelly: Yes it is. |
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| 15:08.14 | andrewtaylor_ | it's weird, it's used for printing finance documents which need to be signed and faxed to a customer. The font is basically like a check digit to ensure authenticity of the print. |
| 15:08.31 | andrewtaylor_ | they don't use it all the time, just once on each page |
| 15:08.44 | chops | andrewtaylor_: Hooray for wierd engineering |
| 15:08.49 | andrewtaylor_ | yup |
| 15:08.53 | jelly | Mustang_Matt: if it's new, try the memory first. if it's a new kernel or changed hardware, look for kernel oopses. if it's overclocked... don't do that |
| 15:09.23 | Mustang_Matt | jelly: It's been running for a long time. It's not overclocked or anything goofy. I did just switch to etch about a week ago. |
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| 15:09.34 | jelly | Mustang_Matt: so, new kernel. |
| 15:09.42 | Mustang_Matt | jelly: Yes |
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| 15:12.37 | Mustang_Matt | Would this be the first line I should expect to see in syslog upon reboot? May 30 09:47:53 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#18: restart. |
| 15:12.48 | azeem | Mustang_Matt: probably, yeah |
| 15:13.11 | Mustang_Matt | The last messages before that was email traffic. |
| 15:13.13 | rahul | !penix |
| 15:13.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, penix is a highly sophisticated eggdrop bot, thought to be the predecessor of SkyNet, or madly in love with NewOS, or a crack whore, or my hero, or a Theo-loving hippy, or wants to have Alan Cox's baby. A sexy bitch. http://penix.mine.nu/images/gamp.jpg, or 'I don't exist. I live in a world that you cannot even imagine. full of gamp, fast cars, beautiful women and hardware', or a regular extra on Kingswood Country, or ... |
| 15:13.19 | azeem | Mustang_Matt: maybe enable bootlogd, but dunno whether that logs to syslogs |
| 15:13.21 | jelly | Mustang_Matt: look for interesting stuff in /var/log/kern.log, maybe |
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| 15:13.45 | simmerz | how would I tar up a directory and not include any .svn files within the directory tree or anything within the ./files/ directory? |
| 15:13.46 | rahul | beautiful cars and fast women. |
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| 15:14.42 | chops | simmerz: --exclude |
| 15:14.50 | fantomas1 | Hi. Is there software which gets information from CDDB using CUESHEETs, updates ID-tags inside files and renames files accordingly? |
| 15:15.00 | simmerz | chops: yeah I tried --exclude=files/* --exclude=.svn but that didn't work |
| 15:15.01 | danige | hi debianos |
| 15:15.06 | Mustang_Matt | bootlog is already turned on. Nothing interesting in there or in kern. Maybe I should clean this machine out and make sure airflow isn't getting blocked by dust or something. |
| 15:15.06 | liable | svn probably has a flag for it too |
| 15:15.25 | chops | simmerz: How "didn't work"? It included the files anyway? |
| 15:15.42 | simmerz | chops: it included the files/* files and then died |
| 15:15.43 | chops | simmerz: How about just a single --exclude option? |
| 15:15.57 | chops | simmerz: How did it die? |
| 15:16.07 | simmerz | chops: how would that work? --exclude=(files/*|.svn) ? |
| 15:16.12 | chops | simmerz: Can you pastebin the exact command you used and the exact output it gave? |
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| 15:16.51 | liable | Mustang_Matt: if you cant hook a serial console, try netconsole |
| 15:17.05 | chops | simmerz: Hm, yeah, I missed the part about 'files'. Multiple --exclude options should work, and I've been using them in a backup system for a while now. |
| 15:17.09 | Mustang_Matt | liable: I'll try that tonight. |
| 15:17.26 | simmerz | chops: I thought so too |
| 15:17.37 | simmerz | tar zcvf --exclude=files/* --exclude=.svn ../energizer-eu.tgz . >> ../output.txt is the command |
| 15:17.59 | chops | simmerz: Try escaping the * |
| 15:18.15 | liable | and the . |
| 15:18.24 | chops | tar zcvf '--exclude=files/*' or tar zcvf --exclude=files/\* |
| 15:18.26 | simmerz | tar: --exclude=files/*: Cannot open: Not a directory is the error |
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| 15:19.17 | simmerz | chops: '' around the whole of --exclude?? |
| 15:19.23 | chops | simmerz: Correct |
| 15:20.04 | simmerz | also doesn't work. now it appears to ignore those elements and tries to tar up ../energizer-eu.tgz which doesn't work as it doesn't exist |
| 15:20.18 | simmerz | then it says tar: --exclude=files/*: Cannot open: Not a directory |
| 15:20.43 | chops | simmerz: You're running this from the command line, correct? |
| 15:20.47 | simmerz | yes |
| 15:21.20 | chops | simmerz: Put the ../energizer-eu.tgz immediately after the zcvf |
| 15:22.02 | chops | simmerz: "f" really should be its own option, for clarity (tar zcv '--exclude=files/*' --exclude=.svn -f ../energizer-eu.tgz . >> ../output.txt) |
| 15:22.11 | simmerz | ah ok |
| 15:22.17 | simmerz | never realised that |
| 15:22.35 | simmerz | it worked this time. many thanks for your help |
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| 15:22.42 | chops | simmerz: Yeah, the tar option syntax is not the clearest. Using modern-style options helps avoid the pitfalls sometimes. |
| 15:22.43 | chops | simmerz: np |
| 15:23.08 | liable | who has a good reference for the c standard library? |
| 15:23.16 | simmerz | modern style options? you mean separate them? |
| 15:23.23 | azeem | liable: glibc-doc-reference? |
| 15:23.28 | chops | simmerz: Yeah |
| 15:23.29 | azeem | liable: POSIX? |
| 15:23.34 | liable | azeem: ya |
| 15:23.40 | chops | simmerz: As opposed to throwing them all into a little chunk with no - prefix |
| 15:24.10 | chops | simmerz: That's the idiomatic way of using tar, but it's also (a) wierd and nonstandard compared to other modern Unix tools, and (b) misleading sometimes, as with "f" |
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| 15:24.36 | simmerz | fair enough |
| 15:24.44 | simmerz | makes it easier to understand I agree |
| 15:25.04 | pcgigabyte | Request help upgraded to Etch from sarge on Debian. Now I get this error when starting X |
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| 15:25.16 | pcgigabyte | waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" |
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| 15:25.34 | Kalisto | what does uid/gid=0:1001 and uid/gid=1001:1001 mean ie. is 0 root? and what is 1001? |
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| 15:25.42 | BleSS | how know how much memory consumes a program? |
| 15:25.47 | abrotman | Kalisto: look in /etc/passwd |
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| 15:25.56 | pcgigabyte | Request help upgraded to Etch from sarge on Debian. Now I get this error when starting X....waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" |
| 15:26.02 | cast | BleSS: depends how hungry it is |
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| 15:26.16 | subbero | hi |
| 15:26.23 | subbero | is there a backports for oldstable? |
| 15:26.32 | pcgigabyte | Can someone please help me? |
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| 15:26.44 | Ronin | patience pcgigabyte |
| 15:26.45 | subbero | we would need php 5.2.2 for sarge, i.e. 3.1 |
| 15:27.27 | pcgigabyte | Sorry Ronin. I am just getting agreviated. Have been working on this for 2 days. |
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| 15:28.24 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: do you start X manually using startx? whats in your ~/.xinitrc or ~/.Xsession ? |
| 15:28.56 | BleSS | how know how much memory consumes a program in memory? |
| 15:29.01 | pcgigabyte | I startX manually yes |
| 15:29.10 | asg | BleSS: ps or top will tell you |
| 15:29.18 | pcgigabyte | I had to create the ~/.xinitrc. It wasn't there |
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| 15:29.40 | msn | pcgigabyte: did you reconfigure X after upgrading? |
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| 15:29.56 | pcgigabyte | Yes |
| 15:30.04 | msn | Kalisto: 1001 is user group |
| 15:30.22 | msn | Kalisto: you can check groups by looking at /etc/groups |
| 15:30.31 | wols | subbero: backports. or better yet: upgrade to etch |
| 15:30.43 | msn | pcgigabyte: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 15:31.13 | pcgigabyte | MSN i already went through that |
| 15:31.14 | pcgigabyte | same thing |
| 15:31.26 | liable | azeem: ta |
| 15:31.39 | Kemical | what is easy way to install kde instead selecting all the packages>? |
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| 15:32.01 | rahul | Kemical: the task at the bottom of the list... below the packages |
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| 15:32.36 | pbn | HI there, what is going with kcheckgmail ? It appears to have disappaered from stable.... |
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| 15:33.04 | rahul | pbn: it was probably removed in the etch release cycle |
| 15:33.12 | liable | azeem: the library summary was what i was after, thanks |
| 15:33.19 | pbn | rahul: ah... |
| 15:33.23 | shingouz | pcgigabyte: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors for hints |
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| 15:33.31 | msn | if i remember there was a change from xserver-xfree86 to xserver-xorg in etch |
| 15:33.33 | pbn | rahul: because I've added a source to sources.list for the x86 version |
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| 15:33.52 | rahul | check bugs.debian.org to see if there were release-critical bugs or if the maintainer abandoned the package |
| 15:33.54 | pbn | rahul: I'd like to also use kcheckgmail on powerpc... without having to compile it from the cvs server... |
| 15:34.06 | TrueDD | re |
| 15:34.28 | rahul | pbn: rebuild it from the package source from the server you're using |
| 15:34.46 | rahul | man apt-get, look at the source option, and the -b option to that |
| 15:34.52 | pcgigabyte | msn: I have been all through that site no help. |
| 15:34.56 | pbn | rahul: uuh yes that's an idea |
| 15:35.04 | pbn | rahul: yeah apt-get build-deps apt-get source |
| 15:35.15 | pcgigabyte | Wyglada <-what language is this |
| 15:36.07 | rahul | pcgigabyte: I'd guess polish |
| 15:36.15 | pbn | ineded |
| 15:36.16 | rahul | but I don't know any polish :) |
| 15:36.18 | pbn | looks like polish |
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| 15:36.56 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: what is the content of your xinitrc? |
| 15:37.09 | pcgigabyte | berzerka: exec openbox & |
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| 15:37.26 | msn | pcgigabyte: at this point i generally purge and reinstall the package, so i am not a the best person to suggest anything further |
| 15:37.29 | baho | Hi... I installed dovecot with apt-get... Then removed it with apt-get... And deleted the config. directory that it created in etc... Now when I install it again, it doesn't recreate the config files... Any way of fixing this automatically? |
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| 15:37.52 | asg | baho: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:38.04 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: hmm... :/ can you try removing the &? but i don't really think thats it... |
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| 15:39.28 | Kalisto | can someone take a look at this pam_mount output: http://rafb.net/p/euwz8i23.html upon exit it sets the uid/gid to a diff user and then complains it cant set uid to 0? |
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| 15:40.47 | baho | asg: Thanks a lot! |
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| 15:41.27 | asg | baho: you're welcome |
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| 15:42.13 | pcgigabyte | !pastebin |
| 15:42.13 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 15:42.36 | pcgigabyte | This is what I get when I type startx http://pastebin.ca/522835 |
| 15:43.09 | berzerka | aha! (EE) AIGLX: DRI module not loaded is the error you get |
| 15:43.28 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: you are using an ati graphics card? |
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| 15:44.27 | pcgigabyte | berzerka: I am using NVIDIA |
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| 15:45.26 | ftp3 | i installed debian 4 on a new machine.. but now when i try and use apt, it keeps trying to use the cd.. I want it to use ftp.. how do I reconfigure apt to use ftp? |
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| 15:46.06 | pcgigabyte | ftp3, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list remove the cd thing |
| 15:46.26 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: hmm the nvidia drivers dont use DRI as far as i know... |
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| 15:46.43 | pcgigabyte | deb http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ stable main |
| 15:46.43 | pcgigabyte | deb-src http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ stable main |
| 15:46.43 | pcgigabyte | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 15:46.48 | pcgigabyte | Add those |
| 15:46.52 | pcgigabyte | ftp3 |
| 15:46.55 | pcgigabyte | then apt-get update |
| 15:46.56 | chops | !tell ftp3 about sources.list |
| 15:47.09 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: you have only upgraded the system or have you installed the aiglx component? |
| 15:47.17 | pcgigabyte | Just upgraded. |
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| 15:47.28 | azeem | pcgigabyte: any reason you believe debian.oregonstate.edu is a good mirror for ftp3? |
| 15:47.29 | pcgigabyte | Install debian sarge, then upgraded to etch. Then installed Xserver-xorg |
| 15:47.45 | pcgigabyte | azeem, it was in my sources list so that is why I gave it to him. |
| 15:47.53 | pcgigabyte | So I know at least it works. |
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| 15:47.58 | azeem | well, that's not a good reason |
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| 15:48.27 | pcgigabyte | berzerka: would you like to see my xorg.conf? |
| 15:48.28 | en1gma | has anyone used grub2? |
| 15:48.53 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: hmm not sure if i am able to help. do you want to use aiglx? |
| 15:48.54 | en1gma | pcgigabyte hell show you his if you show him yours |
| 15:49.07 | berzerka | ... |
| 15:49.09 | berzerka | :) |
| 15:49.12 | en1gma | :) |
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| 15:49.35 | pcgigabyte | http://pastebin.ca/522853 <-my xorg.conf |
| 15:49.37 | en1gma | im thinking about switching to grub2 |
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| 15:49.43 | en1gma | is there anything i need to do |
| 15:49.44 | pcgigabyte | berzerka: I don't use aiglz |
| 15:49.46 | pcgigabyte | berzerka: I don't use aiglx |
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| 15:50.05 | xand | en1gma: I don't think grub2 is in debian yet |
| 15:50.15 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: try removing/commenting those last 3 dri-related lines |
| 15:50.31 | chops | en1gma: Getting bored of your system just booting up like normal, day after day? :-) |
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| 15:50.47 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: that should be it... |
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| 15:50.56 | pcgigabyte | berzerka, still no |
| 15:51.20 | en1gma | xand i see it in sid |
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| 15:51.52 | fantomas1 | Hi all. Amarok doesn't retrieve cddb/freedb entries when playing AudioCD. It shows a message it is trying to do so, but then the message disappears leaving tracklist unchanged. |
| 15:52.04 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: the same error? |
| 15:52.12 | pcgigabyte | berzerka: yep |
| 15:52.16 | xand | en1gma: are you using sid? |
| 15:52.21 | xand | en1gma: why do you want it? |
| 15:53.03 | en1gma | cause i have some dep errors when i try and remove a kernel |
| 15:53.19 | en1gma | i uninstalled grub and installed brub2 and still get those warnings |
| 15:53.21 | en1gma | hmm |
| 15:54.11 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: have you recompiled/installed the nvidia driver after the x server upgrade, i guess you haven't... |
| 15:54.22 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: do it and your problems will vanish ;) |
| 15:54.38 | pcgigabyte | berzerka: umm how do I do that? |
| 15:55.13 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: ah, i'm sorry you are using the open source nv driver... |
| 15:55.18 | pcgigabyte | berzerka, yeah |
| 15:57.23 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: okay, the nv driver doesn't support DRI. now the question is: why is AIGLX trying to start? |
| 15:57.35 | pcgigabyte | berzerka: I do not know :) |
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| 15:57.48 | pcgigabyte | berzerka: can I remove aiglx? |
| 15:57.48 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: me neither, lets find out :) |
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| 15:58.04 | simonrvn | !annoy me |
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| 15:58.45 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: do you have it installed? if you don't need it and apt doesnt complain about dependancies, try just removing it. |
| 15:59.19 | pcgigabyte | Couldn't find package AIGLX |
| 15:59.33 | simonrvn | it's not a package |
| 15:59.37 | krazykit | there's no aiglx package. it's part of xorg |
| 15:59.51 | simonrvn | just comment the thing out |
| 15:59.57 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: could you try to add to the serverlayout section: Option "AIGLX" "off" |
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| 16:00.51 | pcgigabyte | berzerka still nope |
| 16:00.55 | pcgigabyte | berzerka same error |
| 16:00.58 | berzerka | grr |
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| 16:01.09 | pcgigabyte | berzerka well actually somewhat different error |
| 16:01.26 | berzerka | pcgigabyte: namely? |
| 16:01.38 | pcgigabyte | http://pastebin.ca/522887 |
| 16:01.41 | simonrvn | man xorg.conf: Option "AIGLX" "boolean" enable or disable AIGLX. AIGLX is enabled by default. |
| 16:01.48 | sander_ | I'm having problems configuring my printer.. an hp2605dg. Theese ports are open on my printer: 139,515,9100 |
| 16:02.06 | simonrvn | goes in serverflags section |
| 16:02.21 | sander_ | When I use the webinterface to configure my printer on http://localhost:631/ |
| 16:02.30 | berzerka | simonrvn: yep just told him.. waiting for the new error :) |
| 16:02.44 | sander_ | and try a "print test page".. nothing happens with the printer |
| 16:03.16 | sander_ | I configured the printer with Device URI: socket://192.168.0.3:9100 |
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| 16:03.57 | simonrvn | Options specified in this section (with the exception of the "DefaultServerLayout" Option) may be overridden by Options specified in the active ServerLayout section. |
| 16:04.39 | berzerka | thats where he just put it. thanks for the clarification simonrvn |
| 16:04.45 | en1gma | i uninstalled any instance of grub/grub2 then i removed /boot/grub....then i installed grub2 but it didnt make a /boot/grub dir |
| 16:04.57 | en1gma | anyone can tell me what i need to do to get this done? |
| 16:05.01 | wols | where did you get grub2? |
| 16:05.30 | en1gma | no one in #grub is awake |
| 16:05.30 | wols | !info grub2 |
| 16:05.30 | en1gma | wols_ from the sid repo |
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| 16:05.30 | dpkg | grub2: (GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (dummy package)), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.95+20070520-1 (sid), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
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| 16:06.06 | wols | en1gma: checked BTS? |
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| 16:06.22 | en1gma | i didnt see a problem yet or yes i would |
| 16:06.43 | en1gma | i just cant figure out how to install it with 'grub-install' or 'grub-setup' |
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| 16:07.11 | Ronin | check bts after installing a sid package? isnt that like locking the barn after the horses got out? |
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| 16:08.07 | wols | Ronin: after you get problems, any problems, it should be the first step |
| 16:08.20 | wols | usually sid is mostly well behaved. at least here |
| 16:08.25 | pcgigabyte | berzerka: any other suggestions |
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| 16:08.53 | en1gma | yea thats what i was going to do if any problems occured but im just not understanding its syntax |
| 16:08.56 | asg | Ronin: you can use apt-listbugs before installing / upgrading packages |
| 16:08.59 | en1gma | re-reading its --help |
| 16:09.01 | en1gma | 1 min |
| 16:09.22 | sander_ | When I print out something. THe state of the job is always "stopped" |
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| 16:09.32 | en1gma | CPU1:/# apt-listbugs |
| 16:09.32 | en1gma | bash: apt-listbugs: command not found |
| 16:09.41 | asg | !not found |
| 16:09.48 | asg | bah |
| 16:09.51 | asg | en1gma: apt-get install it |
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| 16:09.57 | en1gma | k |
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| 16:10.22 | en1gma | E: Couldn't find package listbugs |
| 16:10.29 | en1gma | searching 1 min |
| 16:10.30 | asg | en1gma: apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 16:10.37 | en1gma | k |
| 16:10.51 | MiK[3]Zz | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=listbug&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 16:10.55 | Ronin | asg and wols, thats what i meant, checking should be the first thing done and not done after theres a problem |
| 16:11.00 | MiK[3]Zz | en1gma: are you really stupid? |
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| 16:11.07 | Kalisto | what can i do if my .ICEauthority has become corrupted? can i generate a new one? |
| 16:11.10 | azeem | MiK[3]Zz: stop that |
| 16:11.13 | asg | Ronin: right |
| 16:11.18 | MiK[3]Zz | first check web |
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| 16:11.37 | spheard | he he, just scaring the network admisistrator with 50 virtual servers! |
| 16:11.39 | MiK[3]Zz | then ask on irc |
| 16:11.49 | MiK[3]Zz | spheard: where? |
| 16:11.50 | azeem | MiK[3]Zz: that doesn't mean he is stupid, ok? |
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| 16:12.10 | MiK[3]Zz | azeem: it does, man should first web then ask on irc |
| 16:12.29 | azeem | MiK[3]Zz: are you making up the rules in here now? |
| 16:12.37 | byon | argh i locked myself out of ssh again. |
| 16:12.48 | azeem | MiK[3]Zz: if you want to support Debian users, please learn how to respect them first |
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| 16:13.00 | spheard | MiK[3]Zz: Just testing a new sun based virtualisation setup, spawned 50 servers. then got a phone call from the network admin |
| 16:13.39 | wols | Ronin: works for me |
| 16:13.41 | asg | spheard: why, were they all crying for IP? |
| 16:13.48 | Ash-Fox | Solaris drives me up the wall. |
| 16:14.08 | spheard | asg: I dont really understand, all the natting has gone crazy |
| 16:14.17 | en1gma | MiK[3]Zz dont get stupid mixed up with new.....because that would be very STUPID of you |
| 16:14.51 | spheard | Ash-Fox: sod solaris, debian sparc64-smp rocks |
| 16:15.03 | Ash-Fox | A little ironic that the creator of Debian now works for Sun though. |
| 16:15.09 | en1gma | and i dont even have a problem with that...im just asking how i go about installing grub2 |
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| 16:15.24 | valdyn | en1gma: why would you need grub2? |
| 16:15.33 | grendal_prime | we got an adaptec fake raid card any ....driver for that sort of thing? |
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| 16:15.48 | valdyn | grendal_prime: adaptec what? |
| 16:16.11 | spheard | well, debian runs php slightly faster, and #debians a lot more friendly than #solaris |
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| 16:16.20 | earthian | Hello |
| 16:16.33 | spheard | hello earthian: |
| 16:16.47 | grendal_prime | its build onto the motherboard aparently |
| 16:17.00 | grendal_prime | hold on..whats the best way to get that...dmesg? |
| 16:17.04 | valdyn | grendal_prime: we dont know what it is. tell us |
| 16:17.07 | valdyn | grendal_prime: lspci |
| 16:17.31 | MiK[3]Zz | spheard: really nice ;) |
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| 16:17.47 | earthian | I have TWO disks: HDA - 160 GB and SDA - 500 GB. Can I " dd of=/dev/hda if=/dev/sda " to copy all partitions and data from disk HDA to disk SDA and so that 320 GB would be free disk space on SDA ? |
| 16:17.52 | earthian | is it even possible? |
| 16:17.52 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 16:17.52 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 16:17.53 | MiK[3]Zz | en1gma: you are on irc, so if you are new, you should read rules |
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| 16:18.02 | MiK[3]Zz | azeem: there are common irc rules |
| 16:18.24 | cartesian1984 | How can I play .flv videos I've saved locally? Opening them in firefox doesn't seem to work... |
| 16:18.30 | azeem | MiK[3]Zz: how is this relevant? |
| 16:18.35 | valdyn | earthian: yes |
| 16:18.39 | asg | MiK[3]Zz: there are two common factoids but nobody reads those either (/msg dpkg guidelines, /msg dpkg grounding) |
| 16:18.43 | tvynr | 'kay, this is a silly one, but... does anyone know if there's a way I can provide a flag to fsck so that it changes the name of the lost and found directory from "lost+found" to, say, ".lost+found"? |
| 16:18.45 | azeem | MiK[3]Zz: it's common to not tell somebody "stupid" if the do something wrong |
| 16:18.47 | spheard | azeem: MiK[3]Zz god boys, stop bitching |
| 16:18.48 | MiK[3]Zz | en1gma: you can ask something and we help you if we are able to do that, but if somebody help you, that doesn't mean, that he tell you everything exactly how and what |
| 16:19.10 | azeem | spheard: I'm not bitching, I'm educating |
| 16:19.12 | MiK[3]Zz | azeem: i didn't! i just asked |
| 16:19.21 | dooglus | tvynr: there isn't. |
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| 16:19.27 | en1gma | MiK[3]Zz again you are being STUPID. why do you think this channel exists? if everyone followed those rules then NOONJE would even come here |
| 16:19.30 | wols | MiK[3]Zz: YOUR LAST NAME WILSONß |
| 16:19.32 | tvynr | dooglus: 'kay, thanks. :-P |
| 16:19.35 | en1gma | so dont be a jerk and i wont either |
| 16:19.39 | azeem | wols: please keep out of this |
| 16:19.39 | MiK[3]Zz | wols: ? |
| 16:19.48 | dooglus | tvynr: you would need to edit the source of the filesystem itself, not fsck |
| 16:19.55 | wols | azeem: just couldn't resist. but ok |
| 16:19.57 | Ash-Fox | I mean bloody hell, this is a help channel, nonot a stereotypical unix user group that goes "RTFM!" at everything |
| 16:20.02 | wols | sorry for the caps |
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| 16:20.08 | h3h_timo | hey all, what is the command to disable suspend?? im trying to disable users from suspending the system because it just results in the system locking up |
| 16:20.09 | MiK[3]Zz | en1gma: check another channels and if you behaviour will be same as here, they'll ban you |
| 16:20.12 | en1gma | Ash-Fox exactly |
| 16:20.18 | spheard | (17:19:00) mode (+l 771 ) by debhelper - what does that mean? |
| 16:20.18 | azeem | MiK[3]Zz: they ban you |
| 16:20.19 | dooglus | !offtopic > Ash-Fox |
| 16:20.21 | tvynr | dooglus: I didn't think so, but it was worth a check. |
| 16:20.28 | MiK[3]Zz | Ash-Fox: ignore me, i don't mind |
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| 16:20.37 | en1gma | MiK[3]Zz now that you see im correct it makes you mad....dont be a poor sport |
| 16:20.41 | dooglus | tvynr: you can rename the directory as you see fit, of course |
| 16:20.45 | wols | h3h_timo: suspend is a command? if so, set the pers so not everyone can run it. make it root only |
| 16:20.47 | MiK[3]Zz | azeem: i think you even don't know another channel than debian |
| 16:20.48 | azeem | en1gma: stop this argueing now |
| 16:21.00 | en1gma | ok back to my question then |
| 16:21.03 | wols | thanks Ronin |
| 16:21.05 | MiK[3]Zz | en1gma: makes me mad, really? |
| 16:21.06 | tvynr | dooglus: If one renames said directory and another check is performed, it'll just create another "lost+found", though, right? |
| 16:21.22 | tvynr | dooglus: The idea is that the lost+found keeps showing up under Konqueror and it's a pain. There's never anything in there anyway. :-P |
| 16:21.23 | dooglus | tvynr: I guess so. |
| 16:21.23 | en1gma | azeem will you tell him to stop |
| 16:21.24 | h3h_timo | wols, no, in the system drop down list it says "Suspend", i want to disable all access to it |
| 16:21.25 | wols | spheard: max amount of users basically- to preven clone bot attacks |
| 16:21.28 | Ash-Fox | So, does anyone need help here? |
| 16:21.31 | MiK[3]Zz | spheard: sun has some special virutalization utility? |
| 16:21.47 | dooglus | Ash-Fox: I do. I'd like to know how to get the middle speaker working on this laptop. |
| 16:21.51 | asg | Ash-Fox: when they do, the'll ask to ask |
| 16:21.55 | MiK[3]Zz | en1gma: be fair and don't ask anobody to help you |
| 16:22.04 | MiK[3]Zz | asg: think so :) |
| 16:22.07 | valdyn | spheard: debhelper sets the size limit of this channel |
| 16:22.32 | en1gma | azeem you going to keep letting this guy troll? |
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| 16:22.35 | wols | h3h_timo: there still is some binary that will be called by it |
| 16:22.44 | Ash-Fox | dooglus, I've never heard of middle speaker.. hardware things :/ |
| 16:22.47 | spheard | MiK[3]Zz: yeh, but I dont know solaris so Im using openVZ on debian |
| 16:22.47 | Ronin | en1gma: use the /ignore option |
| 16:22.48 | azeem | en1gma: you continued to discuss with him, it's your own fault |
| 16:22.58 | dooglus | Ash-Fox: there's a left, and right, and a woofer in the middle. |
| 16:23.02 | en1gma | i havent said anything to him for 3 sentances |
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| 16:23.08 | en1gma | he keeps fishing for a bite |
| 16:23.09 | MiK[3]Zz | azeem: yes and he annoys me |
| 16:23.10 | h3h_timo | wols, yeah and i cant figure out what it is |
| 16:23.11 | dooglus | Ash-Fox: in Windows, it's fine, but in Debian everything pretty quiet |
| 16:23.25 | Ash-Fox | dooglus, is it seen as one sound card in windows? |
| 16:23.25 | MiK[3]Zz | spheard: openVZ? |
| 16:23.32 | dooglus | Ash-Fox: yes |
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| 16:23.40 | en1gma | azeem? |
| 16:23.46 | spheard | you know, when my and my brothers were like this in the back of the car mum used to bang our heads together |
| 16:23.47 | asg | MiK[3]Zz: doesn't run on sparcs, though it should run on their AMD kit |
| 16:23.53 | wols | h3h_timo: probably uswsusp ? |
| 16:23.56 | MiK[3]Zz | ah |
| 16:23.59 | spheard | MiK[3]Zz google it |
| 16:24.01 | spheard | :-) |
| 16:24.03 | azeem | en1gma: how about you stop off-topic conversations and everything will be fine? |
| 16:24.04 | MiK[3]Zz | i did |
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| 16:24.16 | asg | spheard: are you talking about zones? |
| 16:24.17 | Ash-Fox | dooglus, you wouldn't have amarok or kaffiene installed would you? I've seen in their preferences panes that they have options for speakers before with their ALSA driver |
| 16:24.23 | dooglus | Ash-Fox: in debian, it's seen as 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 16:24.28 | MiK[3]Zz | spheard: but isn't xen better than openvz? |
| 16:24.46 | wols | !better |
| 16:24.46 | dpkg | better is, like, a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 16:24.51 | asg | MiK[3]Zz: better for certain application spaces. OpenVZ is quite nice for a lot of other things. |
| 16:24.55 | spheard | MiK[3]Zz not for me, too hungry, suppose it is a bit more like zones asg, |
| 16:24.58 | en1gma | azeem this fucker attacked me first "[06:10] <MiK[3]Zz> en1gma: are you really stupid?" and you arent going to say anything to him? |
| 16:25.03 | en1gma | is he your buddy or something |
| 16:25.08 | MiK[3]Zz | spheard: ok |
| 16:25.08 | valdyn | en1gma: shut up |
| 16:25.14 | asg | spheard: are you running ovz on sparc hardware? |
| 16:25.16 | dooglus | Ash-Fox: I can try installing them, but I don't have them a tthe moment. is that what you would sugest? |
| 16:25.22 | spheard | asg yeh |
| 16:25.30 | azeem | en1gma: dude, I id? |
| 16:25.30 | spheard | asg, just got it going |
| 16:25.31 | asg | spheard: huh, no shit. Interesting. |
| 16:25.34 | azeem | did* |
| 16:25.38 | grendal_prime | its an intel ich7 using the adaptech codebase..whatever that means |
| 16:25.53 | spheard | asg. Im trying to grow a unix beard |
| 16:25.54 | en1gma | im gonna have a smoke and a coffee and go read |
| 16:25.55 | grendal_prime | notbody has any other info than that...wich seems werid. |
| 16:25.58 | azeem | en1gma: and now I'm telling you not to address people with "fucker" in here if you want to continue to experience free support |
| 16:26.04 | Ash-Fox | dooglus, well, my assumption is that it's quite possible it's already supported properly under linux, just the applications which play sound don't support it. |
| 16:26.11 | asg | spheard: :) Had to shave mine off since vacation ends tomorrow |
| 16:26.15 | azeem | en1gma: you can tell "fucker" to people you pay a lot of money to |
| 16:26.24 | xand | azeem: no he can't |
| 16:26.31 | Ash-Fox | dooglus, if you use gnome, theres probably some settings you could try settings for gstreamer todo the equivilent |
| 16:26.43 | spheard | azeem: en1gma. jesus, how old are you two? |
| 16:26.56 | asg | spheard: OVZ does flexible live migration better than any other implementation out there. |
| 16:27.03 | azeem | spheard: are you the guy discussing Solaris in here? |
| 16:27.35 | MiK[3]Zz | spheard: i just wonder because i have never heard about openVZ |
| 16:27.40 | spheard | asg, yeh. its works great on intel hardware. but hasnt been implimented on sparc yes |
| 16:27.40 | dooglus | Ash-Fox: in the volume control I see "Front" and "PCM" - they're the only 2 which have any effect. |
| 16:27.42 | spheard | yet |
| 16:27.58 | spheard | azeem: no |
| 16:28.09 | asg | spheard: ah, it'll be interesting when it does. I have some sparcs that could be used in that capacity down the road. |
| 16:28.09 | dooglus | Ash-Fox: the fact that "Front" is present makes me think it has detected that I have a middle speaker, but that control only affects the left and right speakers |
| 16:28.41 | spheard | asg yeah, we had a v210 lying around, we know the hardware to be very robust |
| 16:28.52 | Ash-Fox | !gstreamer |
| 16:28.52 | dpkg | hmm... gstreamer is not a cool multimedia framework because it crashes 24/7 on sarge |
| 16:29.04 | azeem | oh man |
| 16:29.07 | valdyn | gstreamer-properties, a gtk gui app |
| 16:29.07 | asg | spheard: the v210s are, the v100s I have are terrible (moderately useful for non-critical test boxen though) |
| 16:29.09 | Ash-Fox | That's not very useful dpkg |
| 16:29.18 | spheard | asg getting the kernel compled and runing was a joy!! |
| 16:29.25 | asg | spheard: I'll bet |
| 16:29.36 | Ash-Fox | valdyn, thankyou :) dooglus try running what valdyn mentioned. |
| 16:29.45 | spheard | asg got a lot of help from the openVZ devel |
| 16:29.47 | MiK[3]Zz | spheard: sparcs are very good, i like it, so much performance and stability, good arch |
| 16:30.09 | asg | spheard: sweet |
| 16:30.15 | sander_ | !print |
| 16:30.15 | dpkg | it has been said that print is see printer |
| 16:30.18 | spheard | MiK[3]Zz, yeah, and with debian, should be bomb proof |
| 16:30.19 | sander_ | !printer |
| 16:30.19 | dpkg | i heard printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui or printconf |
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| 16:30.49 | MiK[3]Zz | spheard: it runs better on (open)solaris, but solaris isn't the best way for me |
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| 16:31.11 | valdyn | dpkg: no, gstreamer is a multimedia framework finding widespread use in various applications like rhythmbox,totem etc. Its configured with 'gstreamer-properties'. See also http://www.gstreamer.net/ |
| 16:31.11 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
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| 16:31.23 | spheard | MiK[3]Zz I did some tests with solaris and debian, php runs faster on debian |
| 16:31.37 | MiK[3]Zz | that's nice |
| 16:31.47 | azeem | valdyn: thanks |
| 16:31.49 | DDubya | I'm having problems understanding "find". How do I tell find to find any directory under /home/*/ and delete that directory? |
| 16:32.06 | MiK[3]Zz | DDubya: man find |
| 16:32.08 | DDubya | i meant find a directory named "x" |
| 16:32.18 | DDubya | i did MiK.. having problems udnerstanding it though |
| 16:32.45 | asg | DDubya: why not rm -r /home/x (if it is indeed the case that you want to remove the 'x' directory under home and anything in it) |
| 16:33.32 | MiK[3]Zz | DDubya: find /home -name xxx |
| 16:33.34 | DDubya | there are multiple directorys under home, in which i need to find a directory (named that same thing of course) and delete all those directories |
| 16:33.57 | valdyn | DDubya: find can do this, finding those directories |
| 16:34.02 | asg | DDubya: find /home -type d -name 'whatever' |
| 16:34.03 | xand | find /home/*/ -exec rm {} \; |
| 16:34.08 | MiK[3]Zz | DDubya: find /home -name xxx > delete.txt ; rm -rf cat `delete.txt` for example |
| 16:34.13 | grendal_prime | looks like i need to do this with dmraid |
| 16:34.15 | MiK[3]Zz | or this xand :) |
| 16:34.22 | xand | MiK[3]Zz: why would you do that? |
| 16:34.24 | asg | DDubya: once you are convinced that the list is what you want to delete, pipe the output to xargs rm -r |
| 16:34.26 | xand | just use -exec |
| 16:34.37 | MiK[3]Zz | xand: another option |
| 16:34.48 | xand | it creates a surplus file though |
| 16:35.03 | azeem | plus the backticks are wrong |
| 16:35.07 | MiK[3]Zz | xand: i wanted to tell him as simple as possible, i don't think he remeber you command :)\ |
| 16:35.19 | xand | indeed, and it probably won't work with spaces in the file name |
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| 16:35.45 | DDubya | I guess I'm confused about why you would use find to pipe some text to a file and remove that file... |
| 16:35.59 | DDubya | wouldn't that just remove the file? :X |
| 16:36.11 | MiK[3]Zz | DDubya: should be rm -rf `cat delete.txt` |
| 16:36.19 | xand | rm -rf `cat delete.txt` would remove the files list in the file |
| 16:36.25 | xand | *listed |
| 16:36.25 | MiK[3]Zz | yes |
| 16:36.26 | DDubya | remove recursive and f.. whats f? |
| 16:36.31 | MiK[3]Zz | force |
| 16:36.37 | DDubya | ooooh |
| 16:36.41 | MiK[3]Zz | don't ask questions if remove or not |
| 16:36.52 | DDubya | MiK: then I wouldnt understand |
| 16:37.48 | DDubya | xand: on your 'script' what does the \; do at the end? is that just for expansion or something? |
| 16:37.50 | MiK[3]Zz | if you don't have proper permissions or if you have to say yes to change permissions |
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| 16:38.03 | xand | DDubya: terminates the -exec argument |
| 16:38.18 | DDubya | ah.. what happens if its not terminated? |
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| 16:38.29 | xand | try it... find will complain |
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| 16:38.33 | DDubya | gotcha |
| 16:38.35 | xand | "no argument to exec or something" |
| 16:38.47 | xand | \ is needed because otherwise bash will interpret the ; |
| 16:39.01 | simonrvn | find .... -print0 | xargs -0 ... |
| 16:39.03 | DDubya | as what? |
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| 16:39.14 | xand | as a command seperator |
| 16:39.38 | DDubya | aah.. got the \ tells bash to skip it |
| 16:39.40 | simonrvn | i hate using -exec it's more resource intensive |
| 16:39.50 | asg | simonrvn: | xargs (FTW) |
| 16:39.56 | simonrvn | :) |
| 16:40.11 | DDubya | simonrvn: so you suggest doing a -print0 then xargs? |
| 16:40.17 | simonrvn | xargs -0 |
| 16:40.26 | DDubya | whats the -0? |
| 16:40.29 | nvz | how can I ask mozilla-mplayer in iceweasel to attempt to handle another format that its not currently handling, says missing plugin.. and there seems to be no "add" in the preferences where this stuff is managed |
| 16:40.38 | simonrvn | same as for find's -print0, you need it |
| 16:40.41 | asg | DDubya: use a null as a field sep (what -print0 does in find) |
| 16:40.49 | evilbulgarian | what is the proper way to add more entries to the dns when it is tied to a dynamic dns updating dhcp? |
| 16:41.00 | MiK[3]Zz | nvz: try to ask at #mozilla |
| 16:41.02 | simonrvn | it'll suck up those files with spaces in their names |
| 16:41.03 | xand | simonrvn: well yes, it will call the exec-ed program many times |
| 16:41.26 | azeem | nvz: can mplayer handle it if you run it stand-alone? |
| 16:41.27 | nvz | MiK[3]Zz: hmm. |
| 16:41.35 | azeem | I wouldn't ask #mozilla, btw |
| 16:41.36 | DDubya | asg: so it would be xargs -0 'filename' ? |
| 16:41.41 | nvz | azeem: I cant get the file, its embedded |
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| 16:42.04 | simonrvn | afk |
| 16:42.05 | nvz | azeem: I am trying to test the plugin as a divx web player the file is divx it should work in theory |
| 16:42.14 | asg | DDubya: no, the mnemonic is 'find .... -print0 | xargs -0 <cmd>' In this case, rm -f |
| 16:42.23 | nvz | azeem: there is no divx web player for linux this is the closest thing |
| 16:42.25 | DDubya | oooh.. gotcha! |
| 16:42.44 | nvz | azeem: type is video/divx |
| 16:42.48 | DDubya | asg: so will -print0 create a file? |
| 16:42.48 | asg | DDubya: so, "find /home -type d -name 'foo' -print0 | xargs -0 rm -f" |
| 16:43.12 | azeem | nvz: so iceweasel doesn't recognize the mimetype? |
| 16:43.33 | |dennis| | question: using etch with software raid 1: had it setup..am simulating a drive crash....put a new hard-drive in...do i need to create the partitions on the new hard-drive or will raid take care of it itself? |
| 16:43.37 | asg | DDubya: no, -print0 just passes the found directories (in this case) to the pipeline terminated by NULLs. xargs uses each piece of NULL terminated data as an argument to 'rm -f' |
| 16:43.42 | DDubya | asg: gotcha.. but does -print0 create a file that I can view? or is it used specifically for piping to xargs, or somethnig like it? |
| 16:44.01 | nvz | azeem: no, sure doesnt says I need an unknown plugin.. I've got in preferences mplayer plugin handling other formats, I just want to tell it to handle video/divx too |
| 16:44.04 | DDubya | asg: cool! thanks for all the info man! |
| 16:44.09 | valdyn | |dennis|: is your raid on top of a partition? |
| 16:44.10 | asg | DDubya: no, it doesn't create a file. If you want one, just remove the '|xargs -0 ...' bit and replace it with '> somefile.txt' |
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| 16:44.25 | DDubya | so I can use -print0 and pipe it to a file? |
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| 16:45.28 | valdyn | DDubya: except that its technically not a pipe |
| 16:45.39 | DDubya | whats it considered? |
| 16:45.49 | asg | DDubya: try it and see. "find /home -name 'foo' -print0 > somefile.txt" |
| 16:45.50 | nvz | a redirect |
| 16:45.52 | valdyn | DDubya: you can redirect output to a file |
| 16:45.54 | asg | DDubya: it's considered shell redirection |
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| 16:46.15 | nathanv | hello, I have a quesiton about http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.9 |
| 16:46.18 | DDubya | aaah. |
| 16:46.22 | DDubya | thanks guys =) |
| 16:46.30 | |dennis| | valdyn: i created three partitions one two disks, one for /boot one for swap and one for the rest of the system, i them, using the debian installer, setup raid on the partition that were not sawp |
| 16:46.31 | nathanv | I'm wondering how would I implement that in an extra pacakge.. are there any examples I can look at? |
| 16:46.50 | azeem | nathanv: what do you mean "extra package"? |
| 16:46.59 | |dennis| | valdyn: and then once raid was setup for the root partition, i further broke it down using lvm the way i wanted it.. |
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| 16:47.05 | valdyn | |dennis|: ok, you have to recreate those partitions, obviously, so you can add them back to the raid |
| 16:47.17 | |dennis| | valdyn: thanks..was thinking the same... :) |
| 16:47.19 | fantomas1 | Easytag program crushes on start. Can anybody confirm? |
| 16:47.25 | fantomas1 | crashes |
| 16:47.37 | ringo999 | hi, what app to use to unzip tar.gz? my aptitude wont find "gunzip" |
| 16:47.54 | wols | ringo999: tar? |
| 16:48.00 | valdyn | |dennis|: you can use fdisk to copy the partition table from one disk to another. |
| 16:48.00 | wols | as in tar -zxvf |
| 16:48.39 | valdyn | ringo999: gunzip should already be installed |
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| 16:48.55 | wols | that too |
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| 16:49.24 | ringo999 | txt |
| 16:49.38 | pcgigabyte | hey berzerka, you have debian running right? |
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| 16:50.17 | pcgigabyte | Where is the image for the Debian Etch? |
| 16:50.32 | wols | !d-i |
| 16:50.32 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 16:50.44 | fantomas1 | How to create core files? |
| 16:50.48 | fantomas1 | 'core' |
| 16:50.55 | valdyn | fantomas1: what for? |
| 16:50.57 | fantomas1 | i forgot... |
| 16:50.59 | wols | by crashing something |
| 16:51.03 | Gathond | fantomas1: ehh, crash stuff:) |
| 16:51.09 | Conhe | !dansguardian |
| 16:51.09 | dpkg | somebody said dansguardian was a web filtering (content-based) tool. Available as a Debian package. |
| 16:51.10 | ringo999 | i meant thx of course |
| 16:51.19 | nathanv | azeem: well like a blahblah-wrapper |
| 16:51.22 | nathanv | or something like that |
| 16:51.25 | Gathond | and having a kernel which allows coredumps of the size that is applicable here |
| 16:51.52 | Ronin | ringo999: you meant next generation surround sound? how odd |
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| 16:52.04 | fantomas1 | Gathond: so, ordinary stock kernel has this turned off then - I got no core files |
| 16:52.13 | nathanv | azim: I'm having a problem with democracy player and scim and I jsut want to package it so that democracy player runs with an environment variable turned on |
| 16:52.16 | |dennis| | valdyn: used sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb ;) do i need to make them fiesystems again with mkswap and mke2fs and such? |
| 16:52.25 | nathanv | azim: but if I remove the package.. then the environemnet variable is no longer wrapper in |
| 16:52.38 | pcgigabyte | What is the most lightweight window manager debian has? |
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| 16:52.53 | nvz | pcgigabyte: matchbook maybe |
| 16:53.01 | valdyn | |dennis|: no |
| 16:53.09 | Gathond | fantomas1: I don't think it has no, I don't think the stock kernel enforces this particular ulimit |
| 16:53.19 | nvz | pcgigabyte: lightweight often coincides with useless |
| 16:53.20 | |dennis| | valdyn: just re-assemble the raid ? hmm |
| 16:53.20 | nathanv | pcgigabyte: ha... matchbook.. the question is how much usability do you want.. are you a super nerd? |
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| 16:53.28 | simonrvn | you can turn that on easily... |
| 16:53.39 | simonrvn | core files |
| 16:53.44 | pcgigabyte | nathanv, I was the lightest I can fine. |
| 16:53.54 | fantomas1 | simonrvn: how? |
| 16:53.55 | valdyn | |dennis|: right, every data will be overwritten as the raid synchronises |
| 16:53.55 | pcgigabyte | Usuability I can figure that part out. |
| 16:53.59 | simonrvn | (it's *already on, just that limits.conf has it turned off) |
| 16:54.08 | simonrvn | *already* even |
| 16:54.09 | nathanv | pcgigabyte: ha... ion is pretty ridiculous |
| 16:54.17 | |dennis| | valdyn: thanks.. |
| 16:54.42 | pcgigabyte | nathanv, what is the lightest window manager you can thing of besides fluxbox, kde and gnome |
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| 16:54.49 | valdyn | |dennis|: not reassemble.. just mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb3 |
| 16:55.14 | simonrvn | kde and gnome aren't a) wms b) light |
| 16:55.16 | |dennis| | valdyn: oh okiee thanks... :) |
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| 16:55.38 | asg | pcgigabyte: just start X with an xterm: use the xterm to start new programs; move windows around with alt+left mouse, resize with alt+right mouse. That's about as light as you can get |
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| 16:55.55 | pcgigabyte | okay thx asg |
| 16:55.58 | nvz | hmm matchbook doesnt seem to be in debian anymore |
| 16:56.06 | asg | pcgigabyte: in that case, the window manager is *you* :) |
| 16:56.10 | nathanv | pcgigabyte: hmm well I wouldn't be able to tell you THE lightest.. but I can tell you ion is light |
| 16:57.56 | cwheeler | the debian install dvd should boot same as the cdrom correct? |
| 16:57.56 | nathanv | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_(window_manager) |
| 16:57.56 | valdyn | !evilwm |
| 16:57.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, evilwm is a borderless wm. extremely minimalistic (if you care about that kind of thing) |
| 16:57.57 | simonrvn | asg just said the lightest you can get |
| 16:57.58 | nvz | thats cheating |
| 16:57.58 | asg | simonrvn: well, there's screen |
| 16:57.58 | nvz | thats no wm at all |
| 16:57.58 | simonrvn | screen in xterm ;) |
| 16:57.58 | asg | nvz: it is, the user is the wm |
| 16:57.58 | cydork | nvz: you were looking for matchbox? never heard of matchbook |
| 16:57.59 | nvz | asg: heh |
| 16:57.59 | nvz | cydork: maybe. |
| 16:58.01 | nvz | !+info matchbox |
| 16:58.01 | dpkg | matchbox: (base environment for resource-limited systems), section embedded, is optional. Version: 1:3 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 16:58.02 | nathanv | pcgigabye: ha. yeah.. asg makes a great point... but I guess it's nice to have some usability |
| 16:58.02 | nvz | !+info matchbox etch |
| 16:58.02 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 16:58.03 | dpkg | matchbox: (base environment for resource-limited systems), section embedded, is optional. Version: 1:3 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 16:58.05 | nvz | hmm i didnt see it even searching for wm.. |
| 16:58.13 | simonrvn | 32 kB installed =) |
| 16:58.45 | nvz | yeah its real fancy I'm sure |
| 16:58.45 | simonrvn | the package scripts are probably half of it :P |
| 16:58.45 | cydork | nvz: there is matchbox-desktop also :P |
| 16:58.46 | asg | pcgigabyte: to be honest though, it's best to try the likely candidates and find one *you* can use and that doesn't get in your way. Some like Gnome/KDE for the way they work, some like fluxbox and lots of keyboard shortcuts. |
| 16:59.11 | nvz | though look at the depends |
| 16:59.14 | simonrvn | i keep coming back to openbox3 |
| 16:59.18 | nvz | !depends matchbox |
| 16:59.20 | nathanv | ha yeah... it only depends on zlib |
| 16:59.21 | dpkg | matchbox: depends on matchbox-common, matchbox-window-manager, matchbox-desktop, matchbox-panel, matchbox-panel-manager, matchbox-keyboard |
| 16:59.22 | nathanv | *xlib |
| 16:59.29 | fantomas1 | simonrvn: well, still get no core file. I set "fantomas core 200000" in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 16:59.41 | asg | simonrvn: I still use flux; obx3's config is just bleh :) |
| 16:59.45 | simonrvn | you're not crashing it right ;p |
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| 16:59.49 | nvz | no it depends on a bunch of other matchbox packages |
| 16:59.58 | simonrvn | asg: it's 'cause it's xml, isn't it ;) |
| 17:00.01 | fantomas1 | simonrvn: yes, looks like it catches itself |
| 17:00.09 | nathanv | nvz: fair enough |
| 17:00.18 | asg | simonrvn: indeed |
| 17:00.20 | simonrvn | sometimes hard to get a core file... man kill |
| 17:00.30 | DDubya | asg: ok I understand removed those directories now, using find. Now is there a way I can create directories with find? |
| 17:00.48 | DDubya | asg: would exec be the way for that? |
| 17:01.04 | nathanv | anyways.. I had a question wrt to wrapper scripts.. I want to be able to install a package and then have this app run in a certain environment variable... but then when the package is uninstalled, to have the wrapper script not be in effect anymore |
| 17:01.06 | fantomas1 | simonrvn: it says: EasyTAG 1.99.12: Abnormal exit! (PId: 11670) // Received signal SIGFPE (8) // You have probably found a bug in EasyTAG. Please, send a bug report with a gdb backtrace ('gdb easytag core' then 'bt' and 'l') and informations to reproduce it to <easytag@gmail.com> // Floating point exception |
| 17:01.12 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah seems the key difference now between obx and sawfish is the presence of a ui for the config, and the ability for config changes to be instant |
| 17:01.15 | asg | DDubya: you could use '|xargs mkdir' if you have a list of directories. |
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| 17:01.30 | simonrvn | that's what FPE is ;) |
| 17:01.41 | nvz | seems obx has the context-based bindings and the matched windows now |
| 17:01.46 | simonrvn | fantomas1: man kill |
| 17:01.49 | fantomas1 | k |
| 17:01.52 | dmlb2000 | Anyone know how much space is needed for apt-mirror? |
| 17:01.59 | simonrvn | a lot |
| 17:02.04 | dmlb2000 | 200Gb? |
| 17:02.07 | dmlb2000 | 1Tb? |
| 17:02.11 | dmlb2000 | 1Pb? |
| 17:02.18 | nvz | dmlb2000: shut up first of all |
| 17:02.22 | simonrvn | 13000000000000000 bytes |
| 17:02.27 | asg | DDubya: if the list is NULL separated, then 'xargs -0 mkdir </path/to/file' should do the trick. It's always good to test your commands that affect lots of things by inserting 'echo' before the command in xargs to verify it will do what you expect. |
| 17:02.29 | DDubya | asg: I want to replace those directories I removed (/home/*/foo) with a newly named directory |
| 17:02.29 | nvz | dmlb2000: next what are you mirroring? |
| 17:02.41 | wols | simonrvn: did you count them all? |
| 17:03.00 | asg | wols: I think he wrapped at 32bits |
| 17:03.01 | dmlb2000 | nvz: it would be for an internal debian network so probably just the ia64 stuff |
| 17:03.03 | simonrvn | wols: missed one :P it's really 13000000000000001 |
| 17:03.20 | DDubya | asg: will using echo just echo what commnds will run AND run xargs, or just echo it? |
| 17:03.26 | dmlb2000 | nvz: and it would be something I'd like in a cron job to get an exact copy of lenny |
| 17:03.29 | nvz | dmlb2000: are we talking stable? all past-present, are we talking main, contrib, non-free? |
| 17:03.36 | wols | !debstat |
| 17:03.40 | nvz | dmlb2000: ok I can give you an idea of the size of lenny |
| 17:03.43 | nvz | !debstats lenny |
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| 17:03.45 | asg | DDubya: it will basically print all the commands that would be executed. Removing the 'echo' will actually execute them. |
| 17:03.45 | dmlb2000 | nvz: main contrib non-free lenny |
| 17:04.03 | cydork | !dstats lenny |
| 17:04.10 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 19691 packages, 1803 maintainers, 44710 MB installed size, 15016 MB compressed size. |
| 17:04.10 | bolt | dmsl2000: just set up apt-mirror and run it, and it will tell you how much is to be downloaded |
| 17:04.27 | DDubya | asg: ok. so when I use that 'xargs - 0 mkdir < path/foo/' do I use a find command behind that? |
| 17:04.45 | dmlb2000 | bolt: yeah the man page wasn't clear as to how much it would try and download... just thought I'd ask |
| 17:04.55 | dmlb2000 | nvz: thanks |
| 17:04.58 | valdyn | !wayttd DDubya |
| 17:04.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, DDubya? |
| 17:05.01 | nvz | dmlb2000: looks like you may need around 15-20gb to mirror it all.. though I wouldnt do that anyway unless you are offline |
| 17:05.24 | fantomas1 | Anybody knows a program which can take .CUE file and get cddb entry, tagging a file accordingly? |
| 17:05.25 | nvz | dmlb2000: if you have internet connection and are trying to save bandwidth and increase speeds, apt-cacher might be suffecient |
| 17:05.35 | DDubya | asg: and how do I make it a null seperated list? |
| 17:05.38 | nvz | dmlb2000: that way you only mirror what you truely need |
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| 17:06.40 | dmlb2000 | nvz: yeah these boxes have to be off-line and since they are all virtual, blow them away and recreate them on the fly... I'd be net-installing and debootstrapping all the time as well.. |
| 17:07.03 | valdyn | dmlb2000: use apt-proxy or approx |
| 17:07.15 | asg | DDubya: did you save the list of directories you deleted (I think we suggested you redirect to somefile.txt or somesuch above). If so, that is your list |
| 17:07.15 | jelly | !kvm |
| 17:07.15 | dpkg | somebody said kvm was kernel virtual memory (kernel address space), or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.sourceforge.net/debian.html for installation instructions. |
| 17:07.32 | dmlb2000 | valdyn: apt-proxy? hmmm |
| 17:07.38 | DDubya | asg: yes i did. So how do i tell xargs to process that? |
| 17:07.47 | nvz | dmlb2000: ah, well idk. just a suggestion. apt-cacher would just build a repo based on what was requested so you dont have to fetch the same thing twice |
| 17:07.51 | dmlb2000 | jelly: kvm is weird in unstable I think they are waiting for the kernel to catch up to what's in unstable currently |
| 17:07.55 | nvz | dmlb2000: apt-proxy < apt-cacher |
| 17:07.59 | valdyn | dmlb2000: caching proxy that recreates debians directory structure too, like a real mirror |
| 17:08.02 | DDubya | asg:and i used -print0.. does print0 null new lines? |
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| 17:08.25 | DDubya | asg: or correctly write it so xargs will understand it |
| 17:08.44 | jelly | dmlb2000: I build my own kernels when need arise |
| 17:08.48 | asg | DDubya: does 'xargs -0 echo mkdir </path/to/somefile.txt' print a bunch of lines 'mkdir /home/blah/x'? |
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| 17:08.56 | valdyn | nvz: i use approx, i dont know apt-cacher |
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| 17:09.15 | nvz | valdyn: never heard of approx unless you are abbreviating |
| 17:09.23 | valdyn | nvz: im not |
| 17:09.46 | valdyn | nvz: apt-proxy used to be generally buggy, resource hungry and overall just lame. |
| 17:09.54 | valdyn | nvz: approx does its job fine. |
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| 17:10.39 | jelly | dmlb2000: I wonder if I can use the vmware XP installation with qemu. |
| 17:10.52 | DDubya | asg: no it gives one line that says mkdir /home/foo/ /home/foo2 /home /foo3 |
| 17:10.57 | nvz | I've used apt-cacher before though I have no need for it anymore, as I have only one debian box now all the other idiots use XP |
| 17:11.02 | dmlb2000 | jelly: why install windows at all ;) |
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| 17:11.16 | jelly | dmlb2000: it's already installed. |
| 17:11.38 | jelly | dmlb2000: I _am_ trying not to install it again |
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| 17:12.06 | DDubya | asg: I guess -print0 didnt null the new lines.. ? |
| 17:12.08 | dmlb2000 | well I've install windows in kvm and it works fine... |
| 17:13.09 | nvz | synergy > kvm |
| 17:13.45 | nvz | kvm is an evil hack |
| 17:14.10 | aadil | hmm |
| 17:14.44 | aadil | kvm > synergy |
| 17:14.56 | asg | nvz: synergy over ssh is even better |
| 17:14.56 | dmlb2000 | nvz: kernel virtual machine != keyboard video mouse |
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| 17:15.03 | aadil | ah oki |
| 17:15.08 | simonrvn | kvm < echo "" > synergy |
| 17:15.09 | jelly | umm... wtf is synergy (in the context of virtualization)? |
| 17:15.12 | aadil | discard my previous claim then |
| 17:15.13 | aadil | :> |
| 17:15.20 | aadil | jelly, google |
| 17:15.22 | aadil | :D |
| 17:15.43 | nvz | ok then people need to quit recycling TLAs |
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| 17:15.46 | dmlb2000 | jelly: synergy is a keyboard mouse thing for going between machines nothing todo with virtualization |
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| 17:16.43 | jelly | dmlb2000: that one I know about, right |
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| 17:17.23 | nvz | either that or we need to do like the linux manual pages and start makng sections like kvm(1) can refer to hardware and kvm(8) can refer to software :P |
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| 17:18.28 | jelly | a kvm switch can't be mixed with kvm if you refer to it properly |
| 17:18.29 | N1ckR | Is there is reason why debian been stuck on 2.6.18 kernal and not moved onto 20 (I see 21 is in testing) ? |
| 17:18.47 | simonrvn | !kernal |
| 17:18.48 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 17:18.53 | nvz | it can if you never heard the term kvm used any other way |
| 17:19.00 | cast | nimak: its called 'stable is frozen' |
| 17:19.02 | jelly | !tell N1ckR -about stable |
| 17:19.15 | nvz | i just call that shit xen or whatever |
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| 17:19.32 | simonrvn | "xen or whatever" is a good name for it |
| 17:19.40 | nvz | heh |
| 17:19.52 | rahul | you penixhuggers |
| 17:19.53 | nvz | sure not going to confuse that with anything else |
| 17:20.06 | simonrvn | rahul: you rahulsniffer |
| 17:20.09 | N1ckR | Cheers jelly, I know what stable is :) what I want to know is why 20 was never stable... |
| 17:20.12 | jelly | nvz: well, the !kvm factoid above should have made that clear |
| 17:20.13 | nvz | rahul: go fuck some sheep or something :P |
| 17:20.22 | rahul | !!! |
| 17:20.22 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 17:20.37 | rahul | No me moleste mosquito. Just let me eat my burrito. |
| 17:20.37 | cgriffin | almost missed the place ;-) |
| 17:20.38 | nvz | jelly: must have missed it |
| 17:20.40 | Bombo | hi, i'm using etch and i want to know how to stop the alsa and dvb module from being loaded at boot time? |
| 17:20.50 | robin_sz | rahul is welsh? |
| 17:21.01 | jelly | N1ckR: seems like you're not aware how stable works, esp. the "changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs" bit |
| 17:21.02 | rahul | robin_sz: what about kiwis? |
| 17:21.07 | Bombo | is there a command in etch to stop |
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| 17:21.12 | nvz | what does welsh have to do with spanish |
| 17:21.14 | cgriffin | robin_sz: they only have sheep in england |
| 17:21.14 | cydork | Bombo: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 17:21.20 | robin_sz | rahul, nah, kiwis don't screw sheep |
| 17:21.23 | Bombo | is there a command in etch to stop modules from being loaded?` |
| 17:21.26 | Bombo | cydork: ok |
| 17:21.31 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 17:21.31 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 17:21.33 | simonrvn | sheep screw sheep |
| 17:21.51 | jelly | N1ckR: that means no new versions of software (until the next release) |
| 17:21.57 | asg | simonrvn: fred's ridin' fred? |
| 17:21.58 | rahul | robin_sz: au contraire. They sell keyrings that say "I <heart> sheep." |
| 17:21.59 | cgriffin | simonrvn: what about bunny rabbits? |
| 17:22.02 | cydork | robin_sz: you dont know Guerin then :P |
| 17:22.25 | robin_sz | rahul, nah, from what I heard they are too busy sleeping with their brother and sisters to screw sheep ;) |
| 17:22.25 | rahul | hahaha |
| 17:22.30 | N1ckR | So .20 was not out in time... |
| 17:22.33 | rahul | heh |
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| 17:22.37 | simonrvn | asg: fred's ridin' whomever, none opf my business ;p |
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| 17:22.41 | rahul | robin_sz: that's west virgina |
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| 17:22.52 | robin_sz | heh |
| 17:22.52 | N1ckR | to get out of unstable and into testing and... |
| 17:23.03 | markus_ | i use proftpd and apache2 on debian etch. files uploaded via ftp are owned by ftpuser:ftpgroup. files created/uploaded using php are owned by www-data. is there a way to automatically chown those files to ftpuser? |
| 17:23.05 | jelly | rahul: please inform me when you stop spouting nonsense so I can unignore you. Thanks :-D |
| 17:23.12 | rahul | heh |
| 17:23.29 | simonrvn | that's gonna be a perma-ignore :P |
| 17:23.45 | jelly | (no, actually I lied) |
| 17:24.44 | rahul | this second life thing is wacky |
| 17:24.44 | nvz | rahul: I resemble that remark.. and its cousins not brothers/sisters |
| 17:24.44 | simonrvn | lied about what? not having him on ignore, but really under your /kickban button? |
| 17:24.44 | simonrvn | :P |
| 17:24.44 | rahul | I'm wearing a red rubber spiralish cone on my head |
| 17:24.45 | jelly | not having him on ignore |
| 17:24.51 | rahul | nvz: HEH |
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| 17:25.34 | N1ckR | where can I find out general info on whats been patched (from original source) in devian ? |
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| 17:25.51 | simonrvn | devian, debian for deviants |
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| 17:25.58 | house | hi everyone |
| 17:25.59 | Bombo | hmmm ok the module is called b2c2_flexcop and probably b2c2_flexcop_pci according to lsmod alsa is the snd module? so i would add skip b2c2_flexcop and skip snd to /etc/discover.conf ? |
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| 17:26.02 | suppaman | hi |
| 17:26.04 | jelly | N1ckR: the source packages |
| 17:26.09 | rahul | N1ckR: in general, you can't easily |
| 17:26.14 | suppaman | I've a usb wifi dongle but I don't know its chipset |
| 17:26.19 | house | Can some of you help me with Debian Etch? |
| 17:26.23 | suppaman | how can I have a look at it ? google isn't of help |
| 17:26.26 | bokey | too bad i've dropped my coke bottle cap. Now i'd have to drink 'em all. |
| 17:26.30 | rahul | suppaman: just plug it in |
| 17:26.31 | N1ckR | diff is too time consuming... |
| 17:26.32 | Ronin | house: ask and be patient |
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| 17:26.41 | suppaman | rahul: done |
| 17:26.41 | house | ok |
| 17:26.43 | N1ckR | for non specific info. |
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| 17:26.55 | rahul | suppaman: with a stock kernel, it should load the module for it automatically, if it has one |
| 17:26.58 | nvz | rahul: no seriously.. I had a wedding in wv with two cousins of mine who weren't like directly related to each other but both related to me |
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| 17:27.20 | suppaman | rahul: last two lines of dmesg |
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| 17:27.21 | suppaman | usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
| 17:27.22 | suppaman | usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
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| 17:28.05 | rahul | nvz: hehe, actually, I might be doing that, too... |
| 17:28.12 | rahul | but we'll see... |
| 17:28.20 | house | Tomorrow I'm going to install Debian 4.0 Etch DVD-1 and I saw the installation snapshots, where there was that I have to enter my network's details, but I have dynamic IP. Is it going to work? |
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| 17:28.44 | nvz | of course I almost did it myself. my 3rd cousin's cousin Steph is no relation to me directly.. she's hawt.. but not really my type.. bleached blond fake tan.. barbie doll type.. |
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| 17:28.57 | rahul | eew |
| 17:29.03 | simonrvn | that's why we have clans, you don't marry within your clan ;) |
| 17:29.32 | nvz | she looks like a damn swimsuit model though. I lost interest after a few weeks though |
| 17:29.33 | markus_ | house: it should detect your dhcp |
| 17:29.34 | simonrvn | eew. see too much of that 'type' |
| 17:29.38 | seb_k | hello. the python package includes an libpython2.5.so. but when installing python from source i'm missing libpython2.5.so. why? or what to do? |
| 17:30.04 | simonrvn | usually not happy with their dark hair |
| 17:30.11 | suppaman | rahul: so what I could try ? |
| 17:30.15 | rahul | they deserve to be blonde |
| 17:30.27 | rahul | suppaman: well, it seems like it figured out what to do with it... |
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| 17:30.32 | house | ok thanks. The other question is, that I'm a little begginer with Debian GNU/Linux and should Install a firewall or a virus scanner? |
| 17:30.37 | simonrvn | inflicted with a stereotype? |
| 17:30.40 | rahul | suppaman: have you tried iwconfig? |
| 17:30.54 | suppaman | rahul: how I'm supposed to know what the interface name is ? |
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| 17:31.08 | simonrvn | house: why? |
| 17:31.24 | nvz | house: well the virus scanner can help prevent you becomming a host for viruses that will infect windows computers nearby.. heh |
| 17:31.32 | chops | house: GNU/Linux generally doesn't need virus scanners or firewalls |
| 17:31.41 | suppaman | rahul: mm iwconfig reports a sit0 interface, why cannot I see any reference of it in dmesg ? |
| 17:31.42 | markus_ | sure it needs firewalls |
| 17:31.43 | simonrvn | house: the linux box doesn't actually need it ;) |
| 17:31.55 | simonrvn | !firewall |
| 17:31.56 | dpkg | from memory, firewall is a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 17:31.57 | nvz | markus_: needs sane users too.. but thats not always possible |
| 17:32.20 | markus_ | yeah... that's where a firewall becomes all the more important |
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| 17:32.46 | goog | !pkg libsafe |
| 17:32.53 | house | Me and my brother uses 2 PC's, mine is a Del laptop. My brother is using Microsoft Windows XP. We use a Router to share the internet connection. |
| 17:33.07 | nvz | markus_: its like when my grandmother told me she was using that damn freedom security suite because she does online banking.. I just shook my head and told her once you open port 80, its open.. doesnt make a difference if you got a firewall or not when the ports are open what matters is which programs you allow to listen on those ports |
| 17:33.14 | markus_ | house: if your router has a firewall you should be ok |
| 17:33.24 | rahul | suppaman: dunno... maybe your driver is lazy |
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| 17:33.25 | house | it has one. |
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| 17:33.48 | awk | hmmm, isn't libsafe used anymore? |
| 17:33.51 | house | Some ones told me that I should install ClamAV and iptables. |
| 17:34.00 | nvz | markus_: if your programs or judgement is flawed, your screwed even with a firewall, but if they are fine, the firewall is no added security |
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| 17:34.07 | yacek19 | hi |
| 17:34.07 | markus_ | nvz: when using a firewall you'd at least have to allow a port to be open... that's the point for beginners. |
| 17:34.13 | simonrvn | layers people |
| 17:34.14 | suppaman | rahul: and what is exactly my driver ? I mean how can I see what module is providing that "sit0" interface ? |
| 17:34.25 | nvz | markus_: also most router hardware has firewalls that are about as good as stopping attacks as cheese is at stopping bullets |
| 17:34.26 | yacek19 | which software should I use to modify mp3s' IDtag v24 to v23? |
| 17:34.42 | chops | house: Generally speaking, the Linux way is, if you don't want a port to be open, don't install the program that opens it. There are situations where a firewall is appropriate for a Linux installation, but personally I prefer not to use them. |
| 17:34.45 | suppaman | the dongle is a Netgear WG111V2 that from what I've found with google has been manufactured with several chipsets.. |
| 17:35.07 | suppaman | yacek19: id3v2 ? |
| 17:35.12 | yacek19 | yes |
| 17:35.34 | suppaman | yacek19: I mean doesn't "id3v2" command do that ? |
| 17:35.39 | suppaman | I'd use iTunes :-) |
| 17:35.40 | chops | house: ClamAV you're not going to need unless you're looking to scan email that may wind up going to Windows machines, to remove Windows viruses from them. |
| 17:35.50 | yacek19 | I prefer something in gui |
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| 17:36.08 | rahul | suppaman: it's loaded... don't worry :) |
| 17:36.18 | house | And is that true that there are no viruses for Linux? The attackings for only Windows? Is that true. Sorry, I'm really a beginner. |
| 17:36.26 | rahul | wait... what is sit0? isn't that a tap/tun thing? |
| 17:36.39 | suppaman | rahul: well I do actually worry because I need to use it on my mac, I was using the debian box just to know that chipset is it |
| 17:36.47 | rahul | heh |
| 17:36.51 | rahul | lsmod, then... |
| 17:36.52 | awk | hello, is package libsafe used anymore, what has taken its place? |
| 17:36.59 | markus_ | house: there are, but they are more of an educational character. you'd be lucky to see one. |
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| 17:39.12 | house | and the most important question of mine is that is there a way to install Live Messenger on Debian? I really liked them on Windows. |
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| 17:39.12 | awk | how do you use this bot to search for a package? |
| 17:39.13 | simonrvn | rahul: ipv6 in ipv4 |
| 17:39.13 | markus_ | house: there's gaim, now pidgin.. and several other messengers compatible with msn |
| 17:39.13 | rahul | simonrvn: ah... |
| 17:39.13 | xingu | simonrvn: ... deprecated. |
| 17:39.13 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 17:39.35 | chops | house: That particular software is not available for Debian that I know of; there is IM software (called pidgin) included, however. |
| 17:39.36 | house | Yes I heard that, but not all supports display pictures and character coloring. |
| 17:39.41 | rahul | awk: just use aptitude and look at the reverse deps of the package |
| 17:40.36 | house | And should I worry about or there are any junk files on Debian? You know, like on Windows. |
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| 17:40.49 | nvz | oh yes, and display pictures really makes a difference.. maybe you should stick to windows they got you brainwashed with their tactitcs |
| 17:41.01 | chops | house: "Junk files"? |
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| 17:41.07 | nvz | cruft |
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| 17:41.14 | awk | rahul: I dont see package libsafe |
| 17:41.27 | markus_ | house: i'd recommend you'd start with ubuntu, they are a little more beginner-friendly ;-) |
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| 17:41.57 | house | You know, Temp files, left instalation files, and things like that. |
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| 17:42.08 | n3kl | Howdy |
| 17:42.21 | markus_ | house, if you use the packet manager, you should always have a clean system |
| 17:42.29 | Ronin | markus_: tsk tsk suggesting the u word |
| 17:42.37 | house | or Konsole? |
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| 17:43.20 | house | I tried Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn, but my friend uses Debian, and he told me that Debian is really great. So I decided to try it out. |
| 17:43.22 | rahul | awk: then it doesn't exist |
| 17:43.25 | markus_ | Ronin, a beginner is probably better of tasting linux using ubuntu... especially comming from windows |
| 17:44.08 | simonrvn | house: please note that everything you learned with windows will not always be comparable with *nix, like something linux based... they're very different |
| 17:44.10 | wols | house: you might be able to run it under WINE, but that'S a bad thing imho |
| 17:44.12 | n3kl | Anyonw know of an easy way pull gmail mail into a text file for parsing? |
| 17:44.21 | xand | n3kl: fetchmail? |
| 17:44.29 | simonrvn | n3kl: gmailfs (fuse based) |
| 17:44.38 | awk | rahul err thanks for nothing |
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| 17:44.52 | wols | n3kl: fetch the mail via pop. or: let gmail forward it to your mailserver which then puts it in a mbox file |
| 17:45.03 | rahul | what a tool. |
| 17:45.12 | markus_ | house: ubuntu is just a ripped off debian with some restricted software |
| 17:45.21 | house | I used Windows for 9 years. But I hate it. Several problems with it... |
| 17:45.23 | rahul | he asks me for info on a package that doesn't exist and then whines that it doesn't exist. |
| 17:45.38 | house | I heard that markus. |
| 17:45.38 | simonrvn | house: no kidding ;) |
| 17:45.41 | techbee | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.07 | house | Can I install debian 4 for my laptop? |
| 17:46.21 | simonrvn | usually :P |
| 17:46.27 | wols | house: of course |
| 17:46.38 | house | ok |
| 17:47.00 | house | Somes told me not to install Wine. |
| 17:47.13 | asg | wine is better in a glass |
| 17:47.37 | house | yes asg :) |
| 17:47.40 | chops | house: I've found wine to work well; I don't know of a reason to specifically avoid installing it |
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| 17:48.37 | house | in Debian can I install any office software? In Windows there was Microsoft Office... |
| 17:48.53 | Ronin | house: open office |
| 17:49.50 | chops | house: A few hours spent with a Live CD will beat several days asking people on IRC what Debian is like :-) |
| 17:49.51 | house | and what do you think where should I install things? Packet Manager or Konsole? |
| 17:50.01 | n3kl | xand: fetchmail huh? I will check it out, thanks. |
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| 17:50.08 | house | okay, I'm sorry chops :) |
| 17:50.13 | chops | house: Whichever you prefer |
| 17:50.30 | markus_ | house, you can use the packet manager on the console |
| 17:51.07 | house | ok markus. Thanks. |
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| 17:51.38 | Bombo | hmmm it still loads the b2c2 flexcop driver |
| 17:51.41 | Bombo | b2c2-flexcop: B2C2 FlexcopII/II(b)/III digital TV receiver chip loaded successfully |
| 17:51.54 | pcgigabyte | I am trying to burn a cd iso to a dvd. I can't remeber how to do that in debian. What was the command for it? |
| 17:51.57 | house | Did you saw the Linux Vs. Vista video on YouTube? It's really amazing that Linux beats Windows. |
| 17:52.18 | markus_ | lol |
| 17:52.21 | fantomas1 | house: would you provide a link? |
| 17:52.22 | suppaman | rahul: rtl8187 |
| 17:52.24 | suppaman | bye |
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| 17:52.34 | aredhel | pcgigabyte, growisofs |
| 17:52.44 | pcgigabyte | like could your give me an example |
| 17:52.47 | Bombo | i got /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist with blacklist b2c2_flexcop blacklist b2c2-flexcop blacklist flexcop_pci and the same as skips in /etc/discover.conf |
| 17:52.56 | house | okay fantomas, one minute. |
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| 17:53.07 | Bombo | what else can i try to disable the b2c2 driver from being loaded? |
| 17:53.19 | aredhel | pcgigabyte, from the man page: growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -r -J /some/files |
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| 17:53.28 | wols | Bombo: delete the file on disk |
| 17:53.38 | asg | or move it to module.meh |
| 17:53.46 | wols | !tell Bombo about blacklist |
| 17:53.57 | chops | pcgigabyte: cdrecord I believe |
| 17:54.08 | pcgigabyte | so would this work : growisofs -Z /dev/cdrom0 -r -J /home/pc/linux.iso |
| 17:54.31 | Bombo | !tell wols to read what bombo just said |
| 17:54.34 | house | fantomas1 here is the link http://youtube.com/watch?v=h4MZusK0C-o |
| 17:54.35 | aredhel | pcgigabyte, for a premasterd images: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso |
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| 17:55.53 | Lin | there is any way to scan local wifi networks in CLI? |
| 17:56.07 | cydork | Lin: iwlist sc |
| 17:56.10 | fantomas | house: thanks, is there a sound in video? |
| 17:56.15 | Lin | cydork: thankz |
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| 17:56.25 | cydork | Lin: for more options man iwlist |
| 17:56.33 | Lin | cydork: no problem |
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| 17:56.38 | AdamPal | Trying to forward traffic on my local lan. eth0 is my public interface and eth2 is my lan interface. iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface eth0 -j MASQUERADE; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward; iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth2 -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT; iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface eth2 -j ACCEPT; just isn't forwarding the traffic! |
| 17:56.47 | fantomas | Can anybody check above link - is there a sound in clip? |
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| 17:57.29 | aredhel | fantomas, no sound. |
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| 17:57.55 | pcgigabyte | aredhel. that growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso will burn a cd iso to the dvd right and let me boot it |
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| 17:58.51 | pcgigabyte | right |
| 17:59.18 | Lin | cydork: there is any problem if 2 aps are working in same channel/freq in same area? |
| 17:59.27 | Bombo | what is the command to reboot the kernel without rebooting the computer? |
| 17:59.33 | fantomas | aredhel: oh, thanks. I afraid I had micsonfigured sound :) |
| 17:59.35 | abrotman | Lin: might want to ask #wireless |
| 17:59.38 | abrotman | Bombo: kexec |
| 17:59.44 | Lin | Bombo: there is no way to do it |
| 17:59.46 | abrotman | Bombo: your current kernel has to support it |
| 17:59.49 | Lin | abrotman: thankz |
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| 17:59.59 | Lin | abrotman: reboot kernel? |
| 18:00.02 | syntaxx | i created a iptables rules with logging options however logging the drop shows a lot of broadcast how can i make it stops? |
| 18:00.05 | Bombo | ...to start where the kernel is loaded, start with booting just the scripts |
| 18:00.05 | aredhel | pcgigabyte, Groisofs, writes stuff to dvds. that comand line will burn the image.iso files to the /dev/dvd device, and if the images was set up to boot, then it should be a bootable dvd. |
| 18:00.09 | cydork | Lin: there might be some problems related to noise but what abrotman said.. |
| 18:00.21 | Lin | cydork: I will do that |
| 18:00.29 | S4nD3r | Id like to know what to install, I need to print a webpage to PDF file, what to install ?? |
| 18:00.44 | Bombo | abrotman: i doubt it supports that |
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| 18:01.01 | Bombo | hmmm ok i dont want the kernel to be reloaded, just the rc scripts |
| 18:01.23 | abrotman | so just re run the ones you want |
| 18:01.58 | Bombo | i want to 'simulate' a boot to see if the dvb module is still loaded |
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| 18:02.26 | abrotman | uhm .. you likely want a full reboot for that .. about 10 things try to load modules on boot |
| 18:02.29 | fantomas | !beryl |
| 18:02.29 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 18:02.52 | fantomas | dpkg: thanks machine |
| 18:02.52 | dpkg | my pleasure, fantomas |
| 18:02.58 | Bombo | abrotman: hmmkay |
| 18:03.12 | Bombo | *reboot* |
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| 18:04.52 | pcgigabyte | wtf growisofs is not installed on debian WTF. How do I install it? |
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| 18:05.33 | cydork | pcgigabyte: /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:05.47 | cydork | !install it |
| 18:05.54 | cydork | bahh |
| 18:06.15 | pcgigabyte | apt-get install growisofs |
| 18:06.19 | pcgigabyte | no package |
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| 18:06.33 | cydork | !search |
| 18:06.33 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 18:06.36 | valdyn | pcgigabyte: so? |
| 18:06.42 | pzn | I'm using debian-etch. Need to write a DVD with a directory tree of more than 8 levels, so iso9660 is not suitable. How to write a dvd-rom with udf filesystem? I find many howtos about dvd-rw but not dvd-rom... any help? |
| 18:07.02 | pcgigabyte | Can cdrecord write a cd iso to a dvd? |
| 18:07.18 | valdyn | pcgigabyte: no |
| 18:07.25 | valdyn | pcgigabyte: that is what growisofs is for |
| 18:07.33 | pcgigabyte | well I don't have growisofs in debian |
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| 18:07.38 | valdyn | pcgigabyte: install it |
| 18:07.39 | chops | pcgigabyte: Install it |
| 18:07.42 | pcgigabyte | I CAN"T |
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| 18:07.46 | cydork | pcgigabyte: READ WHAT dpkg SAID!! |
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| 18:07.53 | chops | pcgigabyte: Why can't you install it? |
| 18:07.55 | wols | !find growisofs |
| 18:08.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'growisofs' (3): (/usr/bin/growisofs) in utils/dvd+rw-tools ;; (/usr/include/kde/k3bgrowisofswriter.h) in libdevel/libk3b-dev ;; (/usr/share/kino/scripts/dvdauthor/growisofs.sh) in graphics/kino. |
| 18:08.09 | valdyn | pcgigabyte: not every program has a pckage named after it: try 'apt-get install apt-get' |
| 18:08.37 | wols | pcgigabyte: do you still think there is no growisofs in debian? |
| 18:08.48 | fantomas | pcgigabyte: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search growisofs |
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| 18:09.03 | jelly | why does clamav-daemon init script return successfully even if clamav hasn't started yet (ie. no pid file, no socket there yet)? |
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| 18:09.47 | valdyn | jelly: is the daemon running? |
| 18:09.50 | aldin | sapphireba: hehe |
| 18:10.40 | jelly | valdyn: it is, and it settles after a few seconds... with 0.90.1+ it's more than 5 seconds |
| 18:11.12 | valdyn | jelly: so it starts successfully, but quits after a few seconds for reasons you dont understand.. ? |
| 18:11.14 | jelly | valdyn: but I can't rely on the /etc/rc?.d/S* numbering to run stuff which depends on clamd |
| 18:11.19 | valdyn | jelly: read the log? |
| 18:11.30 | pzn | how to create an udf filesystem in a dvdrom? |
| 18:11.41 | chops | jelly: What is it that depends on clamd? |
| 18:11.55 | jelly | valdyn: no... it starts ok, but there's a window between the exit 0 of init script and clamd actually working. |
| 18:12.11 | jelly | chops: for example, amavisd-new |
| 18:12.15 | chops | jelly: This sounds like a prime candidate for the BTS, BTW |
| 18:12.24 | gpm | growisofs? |
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| 18:12.33 | valdyn | jelly: and you have actually observed breakage due to that fact? |
| 18:12.34 | jelly | chops: I know, was just wondering if anyone else noticed |
| 18:12.35 | hac | Anyone know how remove grub from a usbdisk?I need a not-bootable mbr |
| 18:12.48 | chops | jelly: The last time I dealt with clamav+amavis, amavis was perfectly content to continue trying to connect to clamd until it succeeded. I think the timeout was 30 seconds. |
| 18:13.15 | jelly | valdyn: yup, but currently only with sarge backports of clamav-daemon |
| 18:13.15 | pcgigabyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.27 | pcgigabyte | :-( "/dev/dvd=debian.iso": unexpected errno:No such file or directory |
| 18:13.33 | valdyn | hac: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda bs=1 count=512 |
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| 18:13.59 | valdyn | hac: i hope that doesnt get the partion table aswell |
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| 18:14.03 | hac | valdyn, but with this command I lose the partiton table |
| 18:14.17 | valdyn | hac: im not sure about that, you are ? |
| 18:14.25 | hac | valdyn, ye |
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| 18:14.29 | jelly | chops: hm, that sounds as reasonable behaviour from amavis. Maybe it works with amavisd-new from etch. |
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| 18:14.51 | valdyn | hac: ok, maybe count=1 is enough |
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| 18:15.15 | teclo | Hello, know a command-line tool that will remove all the exif information from a jpg file ? |
| 18:15.22 | jelly | point is, I expect the daemon to be running and active if the init script exits with $?=0 |
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| 18:15.38 | valdyn | jelly: file a bug report |
| 18:15.38 | gpm | teclo: maybe something in imagemagick? |
| 18:15.39 | chops | jelly: I wouldn't necessarily |
| 18:15.41 | gpm | just guessing |
| 18:15.51 | teclo | gpm: yes, I was thinking about htat :) |
| 18:15.58 | jelly | valdyn: yah, will do |
| 18:16.17 | teclo | gpm: but ImageMagick is maybe 15 utilities, so 15 manpages to read... would be easier if someone could tell what command will do that ;) |
| 18:16.31 | gpm | like i said, i'm guessing so i don't know |
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| 18:17.03 | valdyn | teclo: 'man <command>' then / exif |
| 18:17.03 | nikns | i have some crappy intel server raid, 4 scsi hotswaps mirrored by pairs. However debian finds all 4 disks. Is it possible to tell it that they are mirrored in pairs? |
| 18:17.25 | teclo | valdyn: yes :) ... also apropos exif ... but haven't found yet :( |
| 18:17.27 | valdyn | nikns: yes, but debian has to find them |
| 18:17.33 | chops | nikns: Do you perhaps have to load drivers for your RAID? |
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| 18:17.39 | larsl | Are there any web browsers packaged for Debian that has builtin decryption of PGP blocks in webpages? |
| 18:17.54 | th0ger | How can i grab some audio from firefox? For example via /dev/audio or so... |
| 18:17.55 | wols | nikns: only if you can find a driver for your raid card |
| 18:17.57 | valdyn | nikns: this is software raid. Your bios knows about it, windows uses a software raid driver already. Linux can do this too. |
| 18:18.08 | gpm | teclo: google: http://www.imagemagick.org/pipermail/magick-users/2005-April/015248.html |
| 18:18.11 | gpm | ? |
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| 18:18.19 | nikns | hrmz, centos installer found it as raid |
| 18:18.23 | wols | valdyn: software raid with scsi disks? |
| 18:18.24 | ckw3c | what is the name of the dev tools meta package |
| 18:18.36 | wols | !tell ckw3c about b-e |
| 18:18.42 | valdyn | wols: why not? |
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| 18:18.57 | valdyn | wols: obviously its not a true hardware raid |
| 18:18.57 | nikns | these raid drivers for linux could be on intel CD? |
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| 18:19.52 | chops | th0ger: You could see if there's an ALSA option to do that (a dummy output device, for example). I don't know of a way offhand. |
| 18:19.58 | valdyn | nikns: i dont know enough about your system or if device mapper raid supports this hardware's raid layout |
| 18:20.00 | blinx | now I have on my usb grub |
| 18:20.02 | hac | valdyn, I found that the right command is "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=466 count=1" |
| 18:20.08 | blinx | but I don't know how to remove it |
| 18:20.13 | valdyn | hac: ah, neat |
| 18:20.25 | valdyn | hac: i guess most sizes shorter than 466 should do too |
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| 18:20.52 | xand | hmm |
| 18:20.58 | hac | valdyn, yeah I think it too |
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| 18:21.16 | blinx | I re-parted and re-formatted the usb disk 3 times but nothing changed |
| 18:21.22 | blinx | how can I remove it? |
| 18:21.35 | xand | mouse pointer moves but i cannot change windows... keyboard doesn't do anything... i can't ping the box, but the clock on its gnome toolbar is updating |
| 18:21.38 | xand | what gives? :S |
| 18:21.42 | teclo | okay, did it with gimp :) |
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| 18:21.58 | gpm | teclo: jhead wasn't it? |
| 18:21.58 | th0ger | chops: like prefs or extentions in firefox? |
| 18:22.00 | blinx | the syslinux command doesn't changed anything... |
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| 18:22.08 | Timbo | how can i get a list of the build dependencies for a specific package? |
| 18:22.18 | Timbo | something like apt-cache depends <package> |
| 18:22.25 | teclo | thank your drive through |
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| 18:22.28 | chops | Timbo: apt-rdepends with some option or other |
| 18:22.29 | Timbo | but the build depends, not the runtime depends |
| 18:22.42 | chops | th0ger: No, in alsa |
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| 18:22.58 | Timbo | chops: rdepends is reverse depends i though? |
| 18:23.12 | Timbo | +t |
| 18:23.15 | chops | Timbo: It can forward and reverse |
| 18:23.17 | valdyn | Timbo: look at debian/control in the source tree |
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| 18:23.41 | Timbo | valdyn: any way of getting that info without having to get the source? |
| 18:23.49 | chops | Timbo: apt-rdepends |
| 18:23.49 | valdyn | Timbo: i doubt it |
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| 18:24.02 | valdyn | Timbo: even that tool would need to grab the source. so uh |
| 18:24.15 | Timbo | chops: ooooh |
| 18:24.20 | Timbo | separate package |
| 18:24.30 | Timbo | i thought you mistyped apt-cache rdepends :) |
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| 18:24.41 | chops | valdyn: It does, but it does it for you :-) |
| 18:25.04 | valdyn | chops: i see, neat |
| 18:25.06 | chops | valdyn: I believe (I know at least that it need deb-srcs in sources.list) |
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| 18:27.37 | nikns | that is "Embedded RAID II" |
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| 18:27.56 | valdyn | nikns: use lspci |
| 18:28.18 | xand | bah, reboot |
| 18:28.32 | chops | Timbo: You tell 'em four or five times and after a while they even listen :-) |
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| 18:29.19 | valdyn | nikns: dmraid supports "Intel Software RAID". I dont know what this means for you, i dont know which hardware you really have yet. You should familiarize yourself with what each of those terms means ( google.. ) |
| 18:29.47 | Kevin` | nikns if you are only using raid with linux I recommend full-software raid |
| 18:29.55 | Kevin` | not dmraid |
| 18:30.05 | valdyn | Kevin`: how's dmraid different? |
| 18:30.28 | Kevin` | dmraid implements the low level formats of several bios/driver controlled cards |
| 18:30.29 | valdyn | Kevin`: ( except that it adjusts raid layout to match that of windows ) |
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| 18:30.35 | nikns | can i activate dmraid in debian install? |
| 18:30.39 | Kevin` | md raid has more features |
| 18:30.52 | Kevin` | and of course works with anything |
| 18:30.55 | Kevin` | even with no controller |
| 18:31.13 | valdyn | Kevin`: silly question: why dont use both the same foundation with the same features, since its both just software raid in linux? |
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| 18:32.00 | Kevin` | valdyn there's several vendor formats, and I believe the md layout is a lot better thought out and has more features. dm raid you can't even tell what a raid array is sometimes, which level it is |
| 18:32.07 | Kevin` | (automatically) |
| 18:32.12 | valdyn | Kevin`: ah, i see |
| 18:32.13 | nikns | how can i activate dmraid in debians install? |
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| 18:33.22 | eckhart | hi |
| 18:33.34 | eckhart | what nick is Julien Cristau? |
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| 18:34.13 | valdyn | i never heared about SCSI fakeraid controllers, this is confusing me |
| 18:34.26 | Kevin` | valdyn vendors get cheaper and cheaper |
| 18:34.34 | Kevin` | why make raid hardware when you can NOT make raid hardware? :) |
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| 18:35.36 | valdyn | wish 'RAID' enjoyed some kind of protection, now everything with more than 1 disk connector calls itself RAID |
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| 18:36.12 | Kevin` | most people don't know the difference until after they buy the card, or ever, since the software does all the basic features |
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| 18:37.35 | eckhart | or can anyone tell me what amount of work building xserver-xorg-video-intel with debugging symbols would be? |
| 18:37.47 | valdyn | eckhart: none? |
| 18:37.47 | chops | eckhart: Dude, just downgrade to xserver-xorg-video-i810 from testing |
| 18:38.17 | eckhart | chops: why? |
| 18:38.31 | chops | eckhart: You can do it with "export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS='debug nostrip'; apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-intel; cd xserver-blah; apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-intel; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b" |
| 18:39.07 | chops | eckhart: But honestly, the new intel driver is a pile of crap for me. There are no less than four separate bugs, each of which appears to be capable of completely eliminating the possibility of me getting a working display from it. |
| 18:39.11 | chops | eckhart: Not that I am bitter :-) |
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| 18:40.00 | eckhart | chops: i had no problem with it until 2.0.0-1, i want to find out why 2.0.0-2 crashes |
| 18:40.14 | abrotman | changelog! |
| 18:40.20 | chops | eckhart: Because it's a remarkably unstable piece of software? :-) |
| 18:40.38 | chops | eckhart: You can join the clamoring multitude in the xorg bugzilla if you like |
| 18:40.47 | chops | eckhart: Or you can downgrade to i810 and wait a few months |
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| 18:41.12 | abrotman | oh wait .. i know .. or don't run sid ? |
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| 18:41.32 | eckhart | abrotman: i know the risks |
| 18:41.46 | abrotman | but you still whine! |
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| 18:41.58 | eckhart | abrotman: no |
| 18:42.06 | abrotman | i thought gravity had mentioned something about xorg driver debug packages ... |
| 18:42.08 | eckhart | i want to know what's going wrong |
| 18:42.14 | abrotman | changelog! |
| 18:42.23 | gpm | bts too |
| 18:42.24 | crescent_ | good evening, I am a bit new to vi usage, I used :!aspell -c % to check spelling on a tex file but I got "Error: No word lists can be found for the language "en_US"." probably I am missing some dictionaries can somebody help me thanks |
| 18:42.28 | eckhart | because someone asked me to do so |
| 18:42.34 | gpm | i don't think he's being too whiny |
| 18:42.34 | chops | eckhart: I told you above how to build one |
| 18:42.37 | eckhart | abrotman: the changelog is not very helpful |
| 18:42.43 | valdyn | crescent_: is aspell installed? |
| 18:42.44 | eckhart | chops: i've already seen |
| 18:42.50 | chops | eckhart: If you can separate it out from my unwarranted complaining |
| 18:42.52 | abrotman | eh .. -2 is in experimental |
| 18:42.53 | abrotman | -1 is in sid |
| 18:42.58 | abrotman | unless PDO is out of sync again |
| 18:43.03 | eckhart | -3 is in experimental |
| 18:43.15 | gpm | abrotman: oh noes, how often is pdo out of sync? |
| 18:43.23 | abrotman | when it feels like it :) |
| 18:43.31 | crescent_ | valdyn : yes I can check the manual but when I try to use this command from within vi I got shell returned 1 |
| 18:43.32 | gpm | rarely i hope |
| 18:43.40 | valdyn | crescent_: aspell-en ? |
| 18:43.40 | abrotman | Last Modified: Sun, 27 May 2007 09:49:04 +0000 |
| 18:43.45 | chops | eckhart: Righty-o then. I assumed because you were still talking about it that you hadn't seen... |
| 18:43.58 | crescent_ | valdyn : Hmmm ?? wait |
| 18:44.08 | eckhart | chops: i was only replying |
| 18:44.10 | abrotman | eckhart: if you come back EST evening .. gravity is sometimes around |
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| 18:44.15 | valdyn | crescent_: aspell-en - English dictionary for GNU Aspell |
| 18:44.25 | abrotman | the rest of the day .. we all just float around |
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| 18:45.01 | crescent_ | valdyn, thanks that did the trick, I am grateful |
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| 18:45.48 | jelly | hmm, modprobing kvm when virtualization is disabled in bios gave me a nice panic. |
| 18:45.53 | abrotman | eckhart: anything like this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425636 |
| 18:46.17 | xingu | jelly: the debian kvm is fairly seriously lagging upstream now. |
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| 18:46.25 | Kevin` | jelly not that that is a smart thing to do, but is it expected/documented behavior to panic? |
| 18:46.41 | jelly | Kevin`: I think it is... but who reads the docs? O:-D |
| 18:47.17 | Kevin` | you'd think it could detect the absense of virtualization and not panic though |
| 18:47.32 | jelly | xingu: I just modprobed the module form my custom 2.6.21... are there relevant userspace components? |
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| 18:47.52 | jelly | Kevin`: yup, like any decent hw driver |
| 18:48.06 | Chillyboarder | out of fedora,ubuntu, and debian, which would be the best? |
| 18:48.14 | Kevin` | debian, of course |
| 18:48.17 | abrotman | oh i know .. Debian! |
| 18:48.27 | abrotman | might be a bit biased here |
| 18:48.27 | xingu | jelly: yes, the userspace/kernel abi isn't stable yet |
| 18:48.34 | jelly | Chillyboarder: seriously, you're on #debian, what answer do you expect? :-) |
| 18:48.37 | abrotman | Chillyboarder: ##linux might be less biased |
| 18:48.39 | Chillyboarder | what are your opinions on ubuntu and fedora? |
| 18:48.43 | Chillyboarder | yes I know lol. |
| 18:48.49 | Chillyboarder | oh ok |
| 18:48.51 | xingu | jelly: you probably want your userspace and kernel source to come from the same kvm release. |
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| 18:48.54 | Kevin` | ubuntu tends to be unstable, fedora is designed badly |
| 18:49.05 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 18:49.06 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 18:49.10 | Chillyboarder | well i installed ubuntu lats night, and am switching back to xp later today |
| 18:49.11 | streuner | good bot |
| 18:49.16 | cydork | dpkg: you are damn right! |
| 18:49.16 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, cydork |
| 18:49.21 | Chillyboarder | cant find a dam graphics driver mostly -.- |
| 18:49.30 | Kevin` | Chillyboarder I take it you aren't very experienced with linux then? |
| 18:49.33 | jelly | Chillyboarder: fedora core focuses on new technologies and free software. ubuntu probably focuses on user friendliness. Debian focuses on... er... stability? :-) |
| 18:49.36 | Chillyboarder | nope. |
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| 18:49.48 | Chillyboarder | k |
| 18:49.54 | Kevin` | what do you want to use linux/your computer for |
| 18:49.58 | jelly | and free software too |
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| 18:50.06 | nikns | can i configure MDRAID in debian install? |
| 18:50.07 | abrotman | jelly: s/stability/having a system that actually works/ ? :) |
| 18:50.14 | Chillyboarder | well I use xp for alot of warez materials mainly. |
| 18:50.16 | sepski | nikns, yes |
| 18:50.18 | Kevin` | yes, nikns |
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| 18:50.35 | Chillyboarder | besides that, movies/music |
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| 18:50.39 | jelly | abrotman: hey FC works too. a fresh installation of U. also works, and it works better than Debian. |
| 18:50.42 | xingu | abrotman: the recent texlive explosion in sid being a prime example of that? :p |
| 18:50.43 | ugly | I'm using the Thunar 0.5.0rc2-1 package, and every folder/file has a generic "blank" icon. I have GNOME icons installed. What could be causing this? |
| 18:50.49 | abrotman | xingu: just read dda! |
| 18:50.59 | abrotman | jelly: define better ... |
| 18:51.07 | Kevin` | Chillyboarder warez for media works fine on linux, movies and music and such. warez for windows programs of course doesn't =p |
| 18:51.11 | nikns | sepski, Kevin` under witch menu? Where creating partitions? |
| 18:51.20 | Chillyboarder | heh |
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| 18:51.27 | sepski | nikns, in partman yes |
| 18:51.39 | Kevin` | nikns menu? i've never done it from a menu. I believe the option is there in recent installers yes |
| 18:51.40 | Chillyboarder | but i cant find any linux drivers, so I have no choice but to go back to xp. |
| 18:51.41 | jelly | abrotman: working hardware and/or easy way to install the blobs. nicely utned UI |
| 18:51.46 | abrotman | Chillyboarder: drivers for what?! |
| 18:51.51 | Chillyboarder | graphics mainly |
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| 18:51.56 | abrotman | jelly: i don't need blobs .. i got you beat :) |
| 18:51.57 | Kevin` | which graphics card |
| 18:52.01 | Chillyboarder | em |
| 18:52.03 | abrotman | Chillyboarder: which card .. stop being vague |
| 18:52.03 | sepski | nikns, i guess it's all in the install manual. its easier for you to read it directly then for us to quote snippets from it on irc |
| 18:52.07 | Chillyboarder | intel 945m i think? |
| 18:52.07 | rcbarnes | how do I look at the rules file for a package? |
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| 18:52.17 | abrotman | Chillyboarder: also .. have you asked #ubuntu ? |
| 18:52.18 | Kevin` | Chillyboarder use the intel driver built into the kernel |
| 18:52.28 | Chillyboarder | look i gtg, bbl ok guys? |
| 18:52.32 | Chillyboarder | jus was q quick stop lol. |
| 18:52.36 | Kevin` | intel distributes linux drivers themselves :) |
| 18:52.42 | Kevin` | to the kernel developers |
| 18:52.46 | jelly | abrotman: that's an additional constraint you haven't mentioned in the original specs :-) |
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| 18:52.59 | abrotman | jelly: no .. that's your constraint .. not mine :) |
| 18:53.08 | Kevin` | apparently chillyboarder didn't want a useful answer on how to make it work :) |
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| 18:53.15 | abrotman | odd that someone who was running XP had gaim .. but whatever |
| 18:53.16 | eckhart | "It would be helpful if you could build the intel driver with debugging symbols and get a backtrace of this crash using gdb (using ssh from another machine, or a core file)." |
| 18:53.17 | Kevin` | really odd. |
| 18:53.31 | abrotman | and was using gaim for IRC on win32 .. |
| 18:53.32 | eckhart | that's what i'm actually trying to do |
| 18:53.45 | jelly | abrotman: you asked what's better, got my opinion. I think the majority of hardware today needs the blobs (ati/nvidia) to work decently |
| 18:53.56 | abrotman | jelly: your life sucks |
| 18:53.58 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:53.58 | Kevin` | eckhart if you build the kernel with debugging information and either watch the console or set up netconsole you will get a backtrace as part of the panic message |
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| 18:54.09 | jelly | abrotman: yes, but that's orthogonal ;-) |
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| 18:55.19 | xand | gah, what's my root password |
| 18:55.37 | Kevin` | yk39yuhas, xand |
| 18:55.40 | eckhart | Kevin`: the whole kernel with debugging information? |
| 18:55.42 | xand | nope :( |
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| 18:55.47 | xingu | xand: I changed it to something random last time I used it |
| 18:55.57 | Kevin` | eckhart yes. doing that will also apply it to modules built against the kernel |
| 18:56.22 | vlt | Hello. I'm trying to mount an NFS share. I got "/srv/dvd clientIP(rw)" in the server's /etc/exports, and run `mount -t nfs serverIP:/srv/dvd /mnt` but get "mount: serverIP:/srv/dvd failed, reason given by server: Permission denied". Any idea? |
| 18:56.34 | cydork | xand: 7 stars?? |
| 18:56.34 | Kevin` | there are more advanced debugging options available, but debugging a running operating system is obviously non-trivial |
| 18:56.37 | valdyn | uh, you dont need to compile a kernel with debugging info to get a useful backtrace |
| 18:57.01 | Kevin` | vlt did you update the exports after editing /etc/exports? |
| 18:57.22 | Kevin` | valdyn I don't personally consider a bunch of hex digits to be useful |
| 18:57.34 | vlt | Kevin`: Yes, I did `/etc(init.d/nfs... reload` |
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| 18:57.49 | Kevin` | i'd rather spend 10 minutes building it then mess with that |
| 18:58.14 | SirFunk | where does debian store the mac id's of past network interfaces it has seen? |
| 18:58.18 | SirFunk | and their related device names? |
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| 18:58.39 | valdyn | SirFunk: it does not? |
| 18:58.48 | valdyn | SirFunk: are you talking about a dhcp server? |
| 18:58.59 | ma3x | hi, im on a live cd of ubuntu. I tried to install yaird via apt-get install yaird while chrooted and it's saying apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 18:59.04 | ma3x | is that normal? |
| 18:59.06 | Kevin` | SirFunk /etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistent-net-generator.rules |
| 18:59.08 | abrotman | maybe arp ? |
| 18:59.12 | valdyn | ma3x: we dont support ubuntu as you very well know |
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| 18:59.25 | smcavoy_ | anyone know of a apt source for icedove 2.x or thunderbird 2.x? |
| 19:00.21 | ma3x | valdyn I am chrooted to the debian partition |
| 19:00.21 | SirFunk | Kevin`: thanks |
| 19:00.21 | ma3x | it's about debian, not about ubuntu |
| 19:00.21 | Kevin` | SirFunk actually |
| 19:00.21 | valdyn | ma3x: ok, does that file ( libstdc++.so.6 ) exist? |
| 19:00.21 | Kevin` | z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 19:00.21 | Kevin` | SirFunk but you get the idea |
| 19:00.22 | ma3x | valdyn yes /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 |
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| 19:00.39 | valdyn | ma3x: its not a symlink pointing nowhere? |
| 19:01.09 | N`Kr1pt | hi, I'm running a java jar, but when I close the ssh connection the java jar stops running, even though I run it in background. any idea?? |
| 19:01.17 | ma3x | valdyn yes it points to ls: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.8: No such file or directory |
| 19:01.22 | valdyn | N`Kr1pt: that's expected |
| 19:01.26 | valdyn | N`Kr1pt: all is fine |
| 19:01.42 | nikns | "partition disks" i see 4 disks, nothing said about mdraid possibility |
| 19:01.42 | N`Kr1pt | how do I make run forever? |
| 19:01.56 | valdyn | ma3x: uh? 'No such file or directory' |
| 19:02.16 | chops | N`Kr1pt: screen, or nohup |
| 19:02.19 | valdyn | N`Kr1pt: use nohup or screen |
| 19:02.51 | N`Kr1pt | hmz screen is ot recognized and I can't find it in apt, I'm running sarge btw |
| 19:03.03 | valdyn | N`Kr1pt: backgrounding is bash job control, what you are trying to do is to _remove_ that job from that shell's control |
| 19:03.07 | ma3x | valdyn it doesnt exist. the symlink points to a file that doesnt exist |
| 19:03.13 | chops | N`Kr1pt: screen is in sarge |
| 19:03.28 | chops | ma3x: Well, there's your problem right there :-) |
| 19:03.29 | valdyn | ma3x: so why is that file missing? did you delete random stuff? |
| 19:03.45 | chops | ma3x: Why won't your system boot? |
| 19:04.10 | N`Kr1pt | Oh yes, screen is in sarge, you're right :) |
| 19:04.17 | valdyn | somehow i remember something like he rand 'rm -r /' or similar yesterday |
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| 19:04.43 | ma3x | valdyn chops I did a backup with mondo, and I restored it once and it worked. now when I restore it, it doesn't extract those files :( |
| 19:05.01 | ma3x | I am going to try again |
| 19:05.07 | valdyn | ma3x: hmm, that doesnt make alot of sense |
| 19:05.16 | ma3x | valdyn I know :( |
| 19:05.29 | valdyn | ma3x: you can always extract files from the appropriate .deb files, easily, then run ldconfig |
| 19:05.35 | chops | ma3x: You restored a backup once, and it worked, and then you restored the same backup again, and you didn't get the files back? |
| 19:05.44 | ma3x | chops exactly |
| 19:05.45 | eckhart | to debug xserver-xorg-video-intel, do i have to build complete xorg with debug symbols? |
| 19:05.48 | chops | ma3x: Are you sure it wasn't an incremental backup? |
| 19:05.51 | valdyn | ma3x: however get your backup back up would be much nicer as you wouldnt have to hunt for probably alot of files |
| 19:05.55 | ma3x | right now i believe it is a mondo problem (different versions) |
| 19:05.57 | N`Kr1pt | OK, screen works great, thx guys! |
| 19:06.04 | valdyn | chops: that's not what mondo does |
| 19:06.08 | chops | eckhart: Dude, I already told you exactly what commands to run. |
| 19:06.26 | chops | valdyn: I'm not at all familiar with mondo, sorry |
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| 19:06.41 | ma3x | valdyn and chops hold on, I am going to try to restore the backup again with mondo |
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| 19:06.50 | valdyn | chops: its a complete backup including 'installer' that restores everything you backupped from black iron |
| 19:06.58 | valdyn | s/black/blank/ |
| 19:07.05 | chops | ma3x: We're waiting with bated breath |
| 19:07.14 | eckhart | chops: as i've told you, i've read what you told me |
| 19:07.14 | xand | cydork: haha |
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| 19:07.23 | nikns | i need partman-md? |
| 19:07.38 | eckhart | i'm just not completely sure how to debug Xorg |
| 19:07.46 | valdyn | nikns: hell, you STILL havent listed your real hardware? or your actual needs? |
| 19:07.49 | eckhart | although i'd like to learn it |
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| 19:07.58 | valdyn | nikns: or anything useful to get useful advice? |
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| 19:08.38 | chops | eckhart: Have you tried it? You can't very well ask for help, receive some advice, and sit there asking for more advice apparently without trying the thing you got in the first place. Well, you can, but it seems rude to the people trying to help you... |
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| 19:08.50 | ufa | hello all |
| 19:09.02 | chops | eckhart: Once you've built the debug-symboled intel driver, you can run x from gdb from an ssh session, and capture a backtrace if it seg faults or something. |
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| 19:09.42 | ufa | i upgraded sarge -> Etch, but in the new kernel boot, it gives a kernel panic: no init found |
| 19:09.47 | chops | You can also build a complete xorg with debug symbols if you want detailed debugging of the core X server; the procedure's largely the same as building the intel driver (it just takes a lot longer) |
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| 19:10.10 | valdyn | ufa: which was your old, which is your new kernel? |
| 19:11.25 | ufa | old: 2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp |
| 19:11.29 | eckhart | just to be sure with gdb: i have to type "gdb Xorg" and then type "run"? |
| 19:11.42 | ufa | new: kernel 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 19:12.06 | Timbo | what does Build-Depends-Indep mean? |
| 19:12.09 | rking | i wonder why iceweasel (and all firefoxen i've used) consistenty ignore my "Do this every time with files of this type" requests. |
| 19:12.32 | valdyn | ufa: what's the device node for your old kernel for your primary harddisk? how many harddisks in total? |
| 19:13.00 | chops | eckhart: I believe that will work, yes. |
| 19:13.25 | ufa | 2 harddisks |
| 19:13.30 | ufa | sda1 and sda2 |
| 19:13.42 | valdyn | ufa: that makes 2 partitions |
| 19:13.47 | ufa | sorry, 2 partititions, one raid 5 logical disl |
| 19:13.52 | ufa | ya |
| 19:13.56 | valdyn | ufa: raid? |
| 19:14.02 | ufa | hardware raid |
| 19:14.15 | ufa | the old kernel boots fine |
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| 19:14.20 | valdyn | ufa: that hardware raid is then what? sdb? |
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| 19:14.52 | xingu | ufa: is it as simple as update-initramfs -ctk 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 19:15.01 | nikns | valdyn: intel softraid |
| 19:15.03 | ufa | it is transparent |
| 19:15.33 | valdyn | nikns: do you need to dual boot windows on that box? |
| 19:15.37 | nikns | no |
| 19:15.40 | ufa | xingu -> but why did it happen? |
| 19:15.53 | valdyn | nikns: so forget about dmraid, its ugly and not necessary |
| 19:16.08 | valdyn | nikns: use linux software raid, the install guide can tell you details |
| 19:16.08 | nikns | then how can i install debian on mirror raided raid? |
| 19:16.21 | valdyn | !ig |
| 19:16.21 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 19:16.42 | eckhart | chops: i asked because http://rafb.net/p/de0PM656.html does not look like a lot of debugging symbols |
| 19:16.48 | valdyn | nikns: you can even install to 1 disk now and 'raid' that later, but i recommend you follow the install guide |
| 19:16.54 | xingu | ufa: nb if that is the problem you'd also need to dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
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| 19:17.19 | chops | eckhart: Hm, try 'sudo gdb Xorg' |
| 19:17.35 | ufa | ok, i will boot |
| 19:17.40 | eckhart | chops: i ran it as root |
| 19:17.45 | nikns | thanks valdyn |
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| 19:18.12 | nikns | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en#preseed-partman-raid |
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| 19:18.52 | valdyn | nikns: preseeding is wrong i think, the installer supports raid out of the box |
| 19:19.19 | nikns | i have partman open, i don't see any raid options |
| 19:19.28 | n31984b | hi, should i configure the etc/.../dpkg.cfg? or just leave it as is, and dpkg prompts me when comes risky circumstances(like downgrade, overwrinting files without asking)? |
| 19:19.46 | nikns | is that lvm? |
| 19:19.50 | valdyn | nikns: let me check, i havent done this during install, only after.. ( extensively though ) |
| 19:20.13 | ma3x | valdyn what did you mean by that get your backup back up? to copy my backup file? |
| 19:20.44 | valdyn | nikns: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition, look for 'raid' on that page |
| 19:20.51 | ufa | xingu-> i have changed the etc/kernel-img.conf file with the new path, letssee |
| 19:21.34 | ufa | anyways, thanks for the help |
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| 19:21.50 | valdyn | nikns: i dont know how the installer exactly does this. LVM is not needed for raid, but lvm is a GOOD thing as long as you are prepared to read documentation about it. Its much more versatile than dos partitions |
| 19:22.10 | chops | eckhart: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Development/Documentation/ServerDebugging |
| 19:22.24 | valdyn | ma3x: restore from backup |
| 19:22.25 | chops | eckhart: It looks like the "Debugging with one machine" section describes what you want to do, mostly |
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| 19:22.58 | eckhart | chops: well, i have a second machine |
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| 19:23.08 | eckhart | so interactive debugging is no problem |
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| 19:23.22 | chops | eckhart: Yeah, but most of what it describes is focused towards attaching to a running X |
| 19:23.33 | cr3 | is there a way to set the umask so that it takes effect when performing an ssh connection: ssh host umask |
| 19:23.36 | valdyn | n31984b: you shouldnt |
| 19:23.40 | chops | That section describes how to start a gdb session on X from the beginning (which is what you'll need, since you get that immediate segfault) |
| 19:23.44 | ufa | booting..... :) **crossed fingers** |
| 19:23.57 | ufa | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.57 | ufa | Linux anvssdf55 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Fri May 4 00:37:33 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:24.03 | ufa | man, thnaks a bunch |
| 19:24.10 | ufa | i would buy you a beer |
| 19:24.11 | ufa | :D |
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| 19:25.07 | n31984b | does dpkg reports for dependencies? |
| 19:25.21 | valdyn | n31984b: yes |
| 19:25.33 | valdyn | n31984b: why are you using dpkg directly? |
| 19:26.08 | n31984b | i'm a new offline ubuntu user |
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| 19:26.30 | n31984b | so i need it to install local files |
| 19:26.53 | valdyn | n31984b: 'new' sounds like you probably shouldnt install local files |
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| 19:27.36 | chops | n31984b: Why not just use apt to install files from the repositories? |
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| 19:27.36 | peterrus | is it possible to boot a debian usb install with a floppy? |
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| 19:28.33 | n31984b | i'm offline, and apt looks for the repositories online. I know that i can install through apt by edinting the sources.list and puting a line like: deb file:/path-to-the-debs |
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| 19:29.44 | chops | n31984b: In that case 'dpkg -i' should do what you want. Make sure to use Debian debs from the official repositories for the correct version of Debian, of course. |
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| 19:31.05 | chops | n31984b: You may find it less cumbersome in the long run to use Debian CDs than to transfer .debs around by hand |
| 19:31.59 | n31984b | yes, but i'm afraid that dpkg undesirely overwrites files, does downgrade. Any bad thing just without asking... |
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| 19:32.19 | peterrus | does anyone know something like Smart Boot Manager that can boot usb devices? |
| 19:33.10 | vlt | Hello. I'm trying to mount an NFS share. I got "/srv/dvd clientIP(rw)" in the server's /etc/exports, then ran `mount -t nfs serverIP:/srv/dvd /mnt` but got "mount: serverIP:/srv/dvd failed, reason given by server: Permission denied". Any other idea than reloading nfs-server? |
| 19:33.33 | chops | n31984b: Hm, using a local apt repository (or cdrom) may be safer for you than dpkg, yes. |
| 19:33.46 | n31984b | the dpkg-manpage shows a lot of option to prevent some risky situations. |
| 19:33.52 | gpm | vlt: have you read man exports ? |
| 19:33.53 | hac_ | Anyone can suggest me a good gtk2 editor? |
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| 19:34.00 | abrotman | perms on mount point ? |
| 19:34.05 | abrotman | hac_: gedit ? |
| 19:34.08 | vlt | gpm: Yes. What did I miss? |
| 19:34.17 | gpm | vlt: abrotman may be on to something |
| 19:34.22 | gpm | a *good* editor |
| 19:34.34 | abrotman | he didn't say what he had to edit! |
| 19:35.05 | gpm | yeah i guess gedit is ok for...wait, what is it good for? |
| 19:35.10 | mindeq | hi all, please tell me why, my laptop's keyboard doesn't work when i boot debian from netinst ? I press any key, and there happens nothing :/ |
| 19:35.13 | gpm | english homework i guess |
| 19:35.17 | n31984b | chops- so using aptitude or apt --install <local_package> without specifing any option, would work fine? |
| 19:35.38 | gpm | gvim? |
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| 19:36.06 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 19:36.11 | peterrus | does anyone know something like Smart Boot Manager that can boot usb devices? |
| 19:36.21 | Nazcafan | I experience some slow downs when using firefox on certain pages |
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| 19:36.30 | mindeq | i can't even choose language cause of my keyboard doesn't work :// |
| 19:36.33 | peterrus | ah wait |
| 19:36.38 | vlt | abrotman: perms on target mount point are 0777 |
| 19:36.55 | gpm | vlt: did change them recently? |
| 19:36.55 | peterrus | lets say it like this. if i put grub on a floppy disk, can it boot usb devices which have grub installed on them? |
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| 19:37.26 | vlt | gpm: No |
| 19:37.29 | Nazcafan | when firefox is displaying certain pages like this one :http://www4.fnac.com/Shelf/article.aspx?PRID=1989024&OrderInSession=1&Mn=3&Mu=-13&SID=86693e5d-107e-c8b4-b216-7bb73bd11f68&TTL=310520072108&Origin=FnacAff&Ra=-3&To=0&Nu=1&UID=1EC2C00DC-5F48-53E4-B7AA-85E6742606FE&Fr=0, opening a window in front of firefox is quite slow |
| 19:37.47 | gpm | vlt: did you try mounting as root on the client box? |
| 19:37.56 | vlt | gpm: Yes, as root |
| 19:38.28 | gpm | vlt: what about the perms on the actual dir your sharing (on the server)? |
| 19:38.36 | gpm | s/your/you're |
| 19:38.43 | gpm | i *hate* when people do that too :/ |
| 19:40.12 | mindeq | EM can canyone say me what's wrong that my keyboard doesn't work when i press "enter" to boot debian from netinst bootable cd ?? |
| 19:40.39 | dondelelcaro | mindeq: is it a usb keyboard? |
| 19:40.44 | smcavoy_ | anyone know of a apt source for icedove 2.x or thunderbird 2.x? (for etch) |
| 19:40.55 | mindeq | no it's laptop's |
| 19:41.01 | vlt | gpm: 0755. Does this matter when mounting it? I thought that only interesting when accessing files ... |
| 19:41.12 | dondelelcaro | mindeq: does numlock work? |
| 19:41.19 | gpm | vlt: try temporarily changing them to 0777 |
| 19:41.25 | gpm | if that fixes it you'll know it was perms |
| 19:41.26 | mindeq | i pressed it on off nothing happened |
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| 19:41.49 | dondelelcaro | mindeq: did the kernel start booting at all? or is it still at the prompt? |
| 19:41.55 | vlt | gpm: permission denied |
| 19:42.05 | mindeq | it started, and asked to choose language |
| 19:42.13 | mindeq | so i could choose couse my keyoard didn't work |
| 19:42.21 | dondelelcaro | mindeq: boot with the noacpi option |
| 19:42.23 | mindeq | i mean i couldn't* |
| 19:42.27 | mindeq | hm |
| 19:42.41 | dondelelcaro | mindeq: hit f2 or f3 to see the kernel options you can use for the installer; it'll tell you exactly what that does. |
| 19:42.55 | mindeq | k thanks |
| 19:42.57 | mindeq | going to try |
| 19:43.39 | gpm | vlt: check out the examples in the exports man page, maybe you have to specifically allow the client box? |
| 19:43.59 | n31984b | when using dpkg anybody sets up any option on the /etc/...dpkg.cfg. Where can i find a full-complete manual of dpkg(not the: man or info dpkg command)? |
| 19:44.02 | Kalisto | can someone tell me what they have in /etc/pam.d/common-auth? |
| 19:44.03 | abrotman | is it standard that if a PDF is a scanned document that the ps2/pdf2 utils fail horribly ? |
| 19:44.15 | gpm | vlt: it's been a while, but i remember i basically modified one of the examples in the manpage. i think the /pub one |
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| 19:44.28 | chops | n31984b: Using dpkg by hand is generally not a good way to get started with Debian |
| 19:44.30 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: you mean pdf2ps? |
| 19:44.34 | chops | n31984b: What are you trying to do? |
| 19:44.47 | n31984b | install xemacs21 |
| 19:44.58 | gpm | vlt: maybe you need to use insecure |
| 19:44.59 | n31984b | i've downloaded it yet. |
| 19:45.02 | gpm | that depends on the client |
| 19:45.02 | dondelelcaro | n31984b: so aptitude install xemacs21; |
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| 19:45.17 | chops | dondelelcaro: The machine he's working with has no internet, apparently :-( |
| 19:45.23 | dondelelcaro | chops: that doesn't matter |
| 19:45.28 | n31984b | yes chops. |
| 19:45.30 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:45.31 | dpkg | <PerfDave> scooper: You're running XP on your firewall? <scooper> PerfDave kind of, XP is my desktop, it has the ADSL and shares this with the rest of the network |
| 19:45.32 | chops | n31984b: Try setting up a local apt repository |
| 19:45.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: man this sauerbraten is so fun. i made a backport for etch if you want to try? |
| 19:45.44 | nikns | valdyn: thanks! |
| 19:45.44 | dondelelcaro | if it doesn't have a network, use a Debian cdrom, or use apt-move. |
| 19:46.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://gnu.ethz.ch/backports/ |
| 19:46.04 | n31984b | whats that apt-move? |
| 19:46.13 | dondelelcaro | n31984b: as far as dpkg goes, it's all documented in manpgaes. man dpkg.cfg; for details. |
| 19:46.18 | bolt | n31984b: either a local repository, or getting the actual cd's |
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| 19:46.32 | dondelelcaro | err, apt-zip, not apt-move |
| 19:48.06 | n31984b | using a local repository i guess it requires a few steps, like doing dpkg-scanpakage every-xemacs21-package-needed |
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| 19:48.28 | chops | n31984b: Using dpkg by hand requires a few steps too. A few more steps. :-) |
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| 19:49.08 | n31984b | it would be, like: dpkg -i at-the-allxemacsdeb-folder/*.deb |
| 19:49.53 | dondelelcaro | n31984b: assuming you've already managed to get all of the dependencies and have only the dependencies in that directory, you could do that. |
| 19:50.02 | n31984b | and also i do not have the dpkg-dev(needed to use, dpkg-scanpakcage) |
| 19:50.03 | dondelelcaro | (but if you haven't, that way lies pain) |
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| 19:50.35 | n31984b | yes, i've managed it all. It's all ready... |
| 19:50.38 | dondelelcaro | actually, it's better to use apt-ftparchive, not dpkg-scanpackages |
| 19:50.43 | dondelelcaro | n31984b: ok... then install the packages. |
| 19:51.09 | gpm | vlt: any luck? |
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| 19:52.28 | n31984b | no need to be afraid of dpkg? No need to check for dependencies of pakages already installed or files that i may have already installed before using dpkg? |
| 19:53.15 | dondelelcaro | n31984b: you should have already done the first if you're using it; the reason why you usually use aptitude is because it takes care of that for you |
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| 19:53.51 | chops | n31984b: Dude, if you want safety checks, set up a local apt repository. If you don't and you know everything's fine, then do dpkg -i. You keep asking as if we're going to present you with a third option, where you don't have to spend any time explaining to the machine what you want, and yet it'll know what you want and protect you from making mistakes. |
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| 19:55.19 | vlt | gpm: No. I changed exports file to "/ *(rw)" (behind a firewall of course) -- even then I get "permission denied". Stopping nfs-server results in "mount to NFS server ... failed", so it seems to work and be reachable ... hmmmm |
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| 19:55.48 | gpm | vlt: did you try the "insecure" option? |
| 19:56.24 | vlt | gpm: Yes, no difference. |
| 19:56.25 | n31984b | Thanks chops. Thanks everybody. |
| 19:56.25 | chops | n31984b: dpkg will not attempt to install if the dependencies aren't there; it'll fail with an error. No way of installing Debian files will protect you from overwriting files that aren't in package management (that I know of); if you install files by hand into /usr, dpkg may overwrite them if you ever use it again. |
| 19:56.42 | vlt | gpm: Mounting an NFS share from another machine in the same LAN works fine. |
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| 19:57.22 | gpm | vlt: oh, so it's when you go outside the network? |
| 19:58.02 | vlt | gpm: No, it's all inside the net. No firewalls ar NAT between the nachines. |
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| 19:58.09 | gpm | i gotta go |
| 19:58.16 | vlt | gpm: :-/ |
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| 19:58.19 | gpm | lotsa experts here though. much smarter than me :( |
| 19:58.23 | gpm | good luck! |
| 19:58.34 | misreckoning | I have a few problems with my Debian and I would like to get rid of them so I could finally have a perfect OS on my laptop ... :) |
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| 19:59.59 | misreckoning | first one - something is wrong with the keyring |
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| 20:00.23 | misreckoning | whenever I choose to use "Remember password" from gksu, my computer slows down |
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| 20:00.41 | misreckoning | usually - one or more "find" commands are executed and they take 99% of my computer speed |
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| 20:00.57 | User7487 | is there anybody how knows VHCS ? |
| 20:01.01 | misreckoning | it is my first priority to find out why is that happening and how to fix it |
| 20:01.12 | |DuReX| | hello guys, i'm getting high cpu loads when i'm using disks :s any id what could cause it ? getting load on all my harddisks .... |
| 20:01.29 | |DuReX| | cpu loads like 70% :s |
| 20:01.40 | |DuReX| | intel celeron 2.2ghz so thats not the problem i bet |
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| 20:01.58 | misreckoning | "gnome-keyring-d" 100% |
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| 20:02.19 | misreckoning | "mem 46%" !? |
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| 20:02.55 | chops | |DuReX|: Is DMA on? |
| 20:02.59 | chops | |DuReX|: hdparm |
| 20:03.02 | mindeq | sorry dondelelcaro but i dodn't find any option "noacpi" |
| 20:03.03 | |DuReX| | yea |
| 20:03.04 | |DuReX| | :s |
| 20:03.40 | |DuReX| | /dev/hda: |
| 20:03.41 | |DuReX| | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.25 | misreckoning | I had to kill it... It actually happened after I've entered a keyring passphrase |
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| 20:06.05 | mindeq | hmz does anyone has any idea or had the same problem as i have - keyboard doesn't work at the beginning of debian install menu ? |
| 20:06.07 | |DuReX| | nobody any id ? :( cause its really useless atm :( |
| 20:06.38 | User7487 | hello is there anybody how knows VHCS ? |
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| 20:07.09 | n31984b | the man page for the confmiss option says: "Always install a missing configuration file. This is dangerous, since it means not preserving a change (removing) made to the file." -- (i dont get it) Can anybody explain me the dangerous side? |
| 20:07.23 | n31984b | option from dpkg |
| 20:07.50 | centrx | the danger is that it changes the user's config without telling them |
| 20:08.08 | centrx | it's the same danger as simply replacing a user's configuration file when they have made changes to it |
| 20:08.58 | n31984b | thank you. |
| 20:09.08 | centrx | they have customized the software to work for their particular purpose--in this case deletion of the config file can change the options for the program |
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| 20:09.43 | centrx | so it's not really "dangerous" in the sense that it will break the machine if you the root aren't choosing to do so |
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| 20:10.37 | |DuReX| | nobody knows where the load comes from ? :s |
| 20:11.21 | SamuraiDio | my xmms does not start anymore. can someone gimme a clue? http://pastebin.ca/523482 |
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| 20:12.07 | tarzeau | can i gets my mousewheel working (i had ballmouse without wheel before) without restarting X? |
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| 20:13.42 | hrw | hi |
| 20:13.44 | hrw | did someone had situation when rpcgen was unable to locale cpp which is in PATH? |
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| 20:13.51 | centrx | tarzeau, I doubt it |
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| 20:14.00 | tarzeau | centrx: crap |
| 20:14.18 | centrx | tarzeau, there is a separate software package that activates the mouse wheel, which may not require restarting X, but you don't want to use that |
| 20:14.29 | tarzeau | centrx: where? what is its name? |
| 20:14.41 | hrw | centrx: imwheel? |
| 20:15.01 | centrx | yes, it's old |
| 20:15.07 | tarzeau | ok |
| 20:15.07 | hrw | very old |
| 20:15.18 | tarzeau | can we say X is crap? |
| 20:15.22 | centrx | tarzeau, also, there might be an X --reload command to reload the config |
| 20:15.23 | xand | yes |
| 20:15.25 | hrw | tarzeau: its from netscape navigator 4 times |
| 20:15.32 | tarzeau | hrw: old software is not bad |
| 20:15.37 | xand | hrw: there were mouse wheels back then? |
| 20:15.40 | tarzeau | hrw: old software can be more modern than new software |
| 20:15.42 | hrw | tarzeau: unclutter is nice |
| 20:15.57 | tarzeau | hrw: look at gnome for example, is very new, and very much shit! |
| 20:16.01 | hrw | xand: I used such ones in that time |
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| 20:16.14 | hrw | tarzeau: I use kde and try to not talk about gnome ;) |
| 20:16.38 | tarzeau | hrw: see i'm nice, don't hurt your feelings, i'll tell teh same 'bout kde when you /part |
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| 20:17.46 | hrw | no problem for me |
| 20:17.47 | M4KE | Bonjour tou le monde! je cherche de l'aide pour activer une carte wifi sur un laptop vaio |
| 20:17.54 | tarzeau | !fr |
| 20:17.54 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:18.14 | M4KE | Merc ( THX ) |
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| 20:18.24 | tarzeau | M4KE: de rien (never mind) |
| 20:19.08 | |DuReX| | nobody knows ? :s |
| 20:19.20 | n31984b | The dpkg --debug=octal. Is this octal a number of base 8? What is bitwise orring? is it just like on the C language the or bitwise operator between 2 numbers? |
| 20:19.23 | nvz | |DuReX|: knows what? |
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| 20:19.28 | chops | |DuReX|: I'd say that's a safe bet at this point, yes |
| 20:19.32 | tarzeau | |DuReX|: maybe disk waiting processes? |
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| 20:19.56 | tarzeau | |DuReX|: try ps auxwww, man ps, see the STAT part |
| 20:20.12 | |DuReX| | if i do hdparm -tT /dev/hda i get high cpu load on the hdparm |
| 20:20.34 | colkhis | I want to create an xkb group. which files do I have to modify? |
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| 20:21.06 | nvz | |DuReX|: the only way disk access would even make a cpu load is if its a bunch of short operations. the cpu stops giving a shit after the disk controller starts executing an instruction until its finished and throws an interrupt |
| 20:21.40 | |DuReX| | root 4115 33.0 0.2 3520 2464 pts/0 S+ 22:20 0:01 hdparm -Tt /dev/hda |
| 20:21.43 | chafe | when running apt-get update --fix-missing, why do i always get stuck on 99% [Packages gzip 0] |
| 20:21.49 | |DuReX| | 33% cpu load :s |
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| 20:22.23 | fakeroot | hi there |
| 20:22.41 | fakeroot | need a sources.list for SID, anybody? |
| 20:22.53 | chops | !tell fakeroot about sources.list |
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| 20:23.31 | peterrus | man |
| 20:24.07 | peterrus | does someone know how I can make a floppy boot the debian setup from usb, or chainload it (even better) |
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| 20:25.13 | nvz | peterrus: if you could chainload a kernel off USB you could just boot it directly.. cause I don't think grub has USB drivers so if your BIOS doesnt, then its not possible you'd have to boot completly first and load USb drivers |
| 20:25.14 | fakeroot | thanks |
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| 20:26.09 | peterrus | nvz, damn, I need to boot debian from a usb device you know :/ |
| 20:26.14 | n3kl | What is the normal file extention for bzip? b2z? |
| 20:26.20 | SamuraiDio | http://pastebin.ca/ can some1 help me? |
| 20:26.30 | nvz | peterrus: need to install and don't have any blank cds or what? |
| 20:26.33 | peterrus | n31984b, bz2 |
| 20:26.44 | peterrus | nvz, no, the laptop doesnt have a cdplayer |
| 20:26.45 | n3kl | SamuraiDio: dood, paste your link |
| 20:26.47 | peterrus | only floppy and usb |
| 20:27.07 | nvz | peterrus: what kind of laptop is it? |
| 20:27.28 | n3kl | peterrus: thx |
| 20:27.47 | SamuraiDio | n3kl, ops.. http://pastebin.ca/523482 |
| 20:27.47 | hrw | peterrus: in such situation I booted my laptop via PXE (netboot) |
| 20:27.48 | Maximiliank | Is there anything that can read from NTFS? Need to grab a file quickly.. |
| 20:27.52 | peterrus | nvz, not thinkpad, some kind of siemens ding |
| 20:27.54 | peterrus | thing |
| 20:28.33 | peterrus | hrw, is booting from a PXE server possible with 64mb and a floppy or two three?, and then install debian to a usb device to run of there permanently? |
| 20:28.35 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: yes |
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| 20:29.05 | petemc | peterrus: with pxe, you dont need floppies |
| 20:29.08 | hrw | peterrus: your laptop takes kernel and initrd via pxe and boot. then you can install it to any device supported by debian installer |
| 20:29.18 | hrw | peterrus: everything is in debian install guide |
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| 20:29.31 | peterrus | hrw, would that work with a pcmcia card? the laptop doesnt support network boot |
| 20:29.59 | azeem | peterrus: no |
| 20:30.01 | hrw | peterrus: that laptop is pentium1 based? |
| 20:30.06 | peterrus | yeah |
| 20:30.08 | peterrus | think so |
| 20:30.10 | peterrus | 266mhz |
| 20:30.36 | Amarande | that has to be Pentium II |
| 20:30.46 | Amarande | fastest Pentium 1 was the MMX 233, excluding overclocking |
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| 20:31.11 | peterrus | the whole story is, I would like debian on this laptop which has no hdd, only floppy and usb |
| 20:31.47 | azeem | peterrus: but you /could/ put a harddisk into it temporarily? |
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| 20:31.54 | peterrus | azeem, not at all |
| 20:31.54 | n3kl | SamuraiDio: I don't use xmms, but you might try rm -Rf ~/.xmms, perhaps |
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| 20:31.58 | azeem | well, that wouldn't help |
| 20:32.02 | azeem | peterrus: good luck |
| 20:32.06 | peterrus | azeem, I need some kind of stupid adapter :/ |
| 20:32.09 | peterrus | azeem, lol |
| 20:32.12 | peterrus | hmm |
| 20:32.33 | peterrus | this is shitty ;) |
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| 20:32.51 | peterrus | if I can get damn small linux to work I might have a idea |
| 20:32.58 | peterrus | oh wait, not |
| 20:33.00 | peterrus | :/ |
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| 20:33.33 | hrw | peterrus: you can boot from that usb? |
| 20:33.46 | peterrus | hrw, nope |
| 20:33.55 | hrw | peterrus: only from floppy? |
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| 20:33.59 | peterrus | hrw, so all I need is a floppy that boots usb drives |
| 20:34.03 | peterrus | hrw, yes |
| 20:34.19 | SamuraiDio | n3kl, ahh, i forgot to try this, tnx |
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| 20:34.29 | azeem | peterrus: the d-i boot floppies do that |
| 20:34.31 | hrw | peterrus: 1. put usb stick into other computer and do debian installation into it |
| 20:35.14 | hrw | peterrus: 2. take floppy, put kernel with proper cmdline inside and boot kernel from floppy with rootfs on usb |
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| 20:35.49 | ma3x | I got the files in the backup, but I don't remember if it's a sid or etch backup. how do I find out by browsing the files? how exactly can I verify? |
| 20:36.03 | SamuraiDio | n3kl, the problem isnt with the configuration, but ill look for it later, tnx |
| 20:36.07 | chops | ma3x: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 20:36.21 | azeem | ma3x: is it /lib/libc-2.3.6 or /lib/libc-2.5? |
| 20:36.27 | marcrosoft | Hey guys I was looking in syslog today and found that for the past few days syslogd restarts everyday at 6:25am is this normal? and where is this setting at? |
| 20:36.28 | azeem | +.so |
| 20:36.30 | lobomufas | hi there |
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| 20:36.49 | ma3x | azeem, libc-2.5.so |
| 20:37.12 | azeem | ma3x: then it's sid |
| 20:37.19 | Azor | i do too |
| 20:37.27 | ma3x | ok thanks |
| 20:38.08 | lobomufas | marcrosoft check for some cron entry or logrotate conf |
| 20:38.50 | chafe | when running apt-get update --fix-missing, why do i always get stuck on 99% [Packages gzip 0] |
| 20:40.08 | hac_ | Anyone has tried amuled and amulegui? |
| 20:40.38 | nvz | nope, nobody |
| 20:40.58 | hrw | cu |
| 20:41.00 | ma3x | azeem, my backup contains file like libstdc++.so.6 (not sure if named exactly) and when I start mondo, I open it and i can view it but when I extract the files many files like this one don't get extracted |
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| 20:41.20 | azeem | ma3x: no idea |
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| 20:41.33 | azeem | ma3x: maybe because the file is current? |
| 20:41.43 | azeem | or do you restore over an empty partition? |
| 20:41.47 | ma3x | azeem, what do you mean the file is current? |
| 20:41.54 | ma3x | azeem, I restore in empty dir |
| 20:41.58 | azeem | no idea then |
| 20:41.58 | ma3x | and then there is no such file |
| 20:42.01 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i was trying to convert a pdf to something i could actually use .. but it basically just returns control characters in the end txt file |
| 20:42.02 | ma3x | ok thanks |
| 20:42.05 | ma3x | I'll try reinstalling |
| 20:42.10 | marcrosoft | lobomufas thanks |
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| 20:43.06 | marcrosoft | Is there way to find out when the last time the computer was restarted other than uptime? can you do a cat /var/log/messages and do a find? |
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| 20:43.38 | abrotman | last |
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| 20:44.25 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: does pdftotext work? |
| 20:44.39 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: basically, if it doesn't, then there isn't any text information present. |
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| 20:44.47 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 20:45.14 | azeem | also if you cannot select text with acroread or maybe evince |
| 20:45.22 | ribasushi | can someone explain to me the bug list of the schroot package: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=schroot&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable |
| 20:45.40 | ribasushi | it shows outstanding bugs, while the bugs themselves show to be fixed in versions released a week ago |
| 20:45.49 | ribasushi | what's the reason? |
| 20:46.00 | azeem | ribasushi: they're "done", but not in all versions of Debian |
| 20:46.06 | azeem | dondelelcaro could explain better |
| 20:47.03 | ribasushi | so really for unstable they are resolved |
| 20:48.21 | Hoxzer | is it possible to easily create deb out of source that was got with apt-get ? |
| 20:48.27 | Hoxzer | I want to patch one package |
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| 20:49.37 | cast | sure. |
| 20:49.45 | cast | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:49.59 | Hoxzer | :) just one command? gr8 |
| 20:50.13 | cast | !tell Hoxzer about simple sid backport |
| 20:50.20 | ma3x | azeem, what was sid from these two? /lib/libc-2.3.6 or /lib/libc-2.5 |
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| 20:50.26 | cast | oh, doh. thats not it |
| 20:50.31 | dondelelcaro | ribasushi: if you look at the top, you'll see the version so fthe package that are actually in unstable. Because #423426 is still affecting unstable, it's shown there. |
| 20:50.44 | dondelelcaro | ribasushi: if you only care about a specific architecture, append ;arch=i386 |
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| 20:50.54 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever is appropriate) |
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| 20:51.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does debian have some kind of a list of packages installed based on what date they were installed? I'd like to revert some updates, but I want to know which version I previousy had. |
| 20:51.14 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Apostrophe: /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/aptitude.log |
| 20:51.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | previously* |
| 20:51.16 | tarzeau | anyone from helsinki/fi here? going to www.assembly.org ? |
| 20:51.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 20:51.34 | Hoxzer | tarzeau: :P I'm fron Helsinki but not going there |
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| 20:51.37 | dondelelcaro | Dark_Apostrophe: you can also track down stuff like that using the backups of dpkg's status file if you're running an older version of Debian |
| 20:51.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | dondelelcaro: testing.. :P |
| 20:52.01 | dondelelcaro | yeah, testing has it |
| 20:52.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, where? |
| 20:52.23 | dondelelcaro | exactly where I said... |
| 20:52.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
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| 20:54.12 | ribasushi | dondelelcaro: got it |
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| 20:54.38 | ribasushi | dondelelcaro: and yes it gives completely different results with i386: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=schroot&archive=no&version=&dist=unstable&arch=i386 |
| 20:54.48 | ribasushi | good to know, thanks |
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| 21:00.26 | hac_ | Anyone know an enhanced network manager like iftop? |
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| 21:01.36 | DevilChaos | hey folks |
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| 21:02.32 | DevilChaos | does anyone know how a can view a dvd that is telesync encoded? |
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| 21:02.54 | DevilChaos | or does the dvd player just read it? |
| 21:03.10 | DevilChaos | or is there a codec ti view it with debian? |
| 21:03.49 | cr3 | how can I determine what tcp/udp ports are being used by an application? |
| 21:04.05 | MiK[3]Zz | netstat -f inet -a |
| 21:04.05 | xingu | cr3: lsof |
| 21:04.09 | DevilChaos | cr3-do u use a router? |
| 21:04.18 | DevilChaos | oh |
| 21:04.32 | cr3 | DevilChaos: yes, so I could also run tcpdump |
| 21:04.35 | valdyn | DevilChaos: telesync describes the source that dvd was made from, not the encoding |
| 21:04.38 | cr3 | but I'll also try lsof, cheers folks |
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| 21:06.03 | ribasushi | cr3: I find `netstat -an46p` to do an excellent job |
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| 21:07.18 | DevilChaos | valdyn - so how do i watch it? |
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| 21:08.00 | DevilChaos | comes up as text document in kde |
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| 21:09.20 | |DuReX| | tried 4 kernel version |
| 21:09.28 | |DuReX| | all gives high load on diskaccess :( |
| 21:09.29 | |DuReX| | weird :( |
| 21:10.23 | valdyn | |DuReX|: what'S load by your definition exactly? |
| 21:10.47 | |DuReX| | +50% cpu load :s |
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| 21:11.09 | |DuReX| | when there are like 5 transfers |
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| 21:11.12 | alatriste | hi |
| 21:11.17 | alatriste | first time here |
| 21:11.28 | alatriste | i dont undestand GNU license |
| 21:11.29 | |DuReX| | ftp is almost not usable anymore |
| 21:11.31 | DevilChaos | is there a programme for debian that would allow me to watch it? |
| 21:11.32 | valdyn | |DuReX|: sounds like 50% wa, not Äl |
| 21:11.37 | valdyn | |DuReX|: sounds like 50% wa, not "load" |
| 21:11.49 | |DuReX| | well yea cpu load ... :s |
| 21:11.54 | valdyn | |DuReX|: use top, tell us what exactly top said |
| 21:12.08 | valdyn | |DuReX|: "wa" isnt cpu load, its cpu idling |
| 21:12.10 | alatriste | for example, can i download a GNU software and change its name? can i make changes and sell it? |
| 21:12.21 | scrip | how can I force exim to retry all frozen messages in the mail queue? |
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| 21:12.38 | |DuReX| | 3357 113 19 0 5924 4484 3800 R 91.0 0.5 0:36.46 glftpd |
| 21:12.45 | ribasushi | scrip: exim -qff |
| 21:12.52 | ribasushi | scrip: iirc |
| 21:12.57 | |DuReX| | :s |
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| 21:14.22 | valdyn | |DuReX|: that's a user process, not disk io |
| 21:14.29 | |DuReX| | i know ... |
| 21:14.33 | |DuReX| | but 91% cpu ... :s |
| 21:14.41 | chops | |DuReX|: Do you see the same high CPU from a pure-disk-reading-program? 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/testing bs=4096 count=1048576'' then 'dd if=/tmp/testing of=/dev/null bs=4096' and see what the CPU is of the second dd command |
| 21:14.46 | valdyn | |DuReX|: not related to disk |
| 21:14.50 | jargonjustin | I installed Debian testing a few months ago (before 4.0 was released.) I want to use 4.0 stable. Do I need to do anything, or will apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade bring me to 4.0 stable? |
| 21:14.54 | chops | |DuReX|: Presumably your FTP server simply takes a lot of CPU to maintain those transfers |
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| 21:15.09 | piztek3 | !sid |
| 21:15.09 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 21:15.15 | xand | jargonjustin: what does it say in /etc/apt/sources.list... testing or etch? |
| 21:15.20 | chops | jargonjustin: It should do that, yes. Be sure to switch to 'etch' instead of 'testing' in sources.list first :-) |
| 21:15.28 | xand | jargonjustin: and how recently have you upgraded or dist-upgraded? |
| 21:16.05 | chops | |DuReX|: (Warning: the first dd command will create a 4-gig file in /tmp) |
| 21:16.06 | valdyn | |DuReX|: that line is useless anyway, show the one with %id %wa %sy etc |
| 21:16.07 | piztek3 | when will lenny see new gnome upgrades? |
| 21:16.30 | chops | piztek3: When they're ready; there's not really a good way to predict |
| 21:16.33 | |DuReX| | Cpu(s): 0.3%us, 7.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 92.2%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st |
| 21:16.38 | |DuReX| | on first dd |
| 21:16.40 | jargonjustin | It looks like the /etc/apt/sources.list showes two etch sources, not testing. |
| 21:16.43 | lontra | piztek3, probably in a while ... |
| 21:16.52 | jargonjustin | (the install was from a release candidate CD) |
| 21:16.52 | piztek3 | is it possible to disable the password for synaptic |
| 21:16.52 | chops | |DuReX|: Ouch |
| 21:17.05 | piztek3 | lontra: how long would you guess |
| 21:17.31 | lontra | piztek3, when all the most of the critical bugs have been found in sid :) |
| 21:17.34 | lontra | oops most |
| 21:17.39 | lontra | and fixed |
| 21:17.41 | chops | |DuReX|: Oh, do the second dd, not the first. Also, take a full cut-and-paste "screenshot" of top, not just one particular line |
| 21:18.12 | lontra | i think it takes like 10 days of being relatively bug free to enter testing ... as well as their dependencies |
| 21:18.22 | lontra | i'm not sure of the exact numbers though so don't quote me |
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| 21:18.29 | |DuReX| | wtf |
| 21:18.31 | |DuReX| | it crashed now |
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| 21:19.03 | valdyn | |DuReX|: its a hardware interrupt causing this load |
| 21:19.08 | piztek3 | oh yeah and how do i disable the keyring and password prompt for synaptic |
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| 21:19.22 | |DuReX| | valdyn: and how to 'fix' that |
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| 21:19.35 | valdyn | |DuReX|: maybe your disk dma is off |
| 21:19.42 | |DuReX| | no its on |
| 21:19.43 | |DuReX| | i checked |
| 21:19.50 | |DuReX| | having same load on sata hdd's also |
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| 21:19.56 | valdyn | |DuReX|: i dont know which interrupt this is yet |
| 21:19.57 | |DuReX| | if u do hdparm |
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| 21:20.14 | valdyn | |DuReX|: check /proc/interrupts for which interrupt is being fired constantly |
| 21:20.19 | piztek3 | which version of gnome does everyone run? |
| 21:20.35 | wintix | !anyone |
| 21:20.36 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:20.44 | xand | piztek3: well, etch has 2.14.3 |
| 21:20.45 | |DuReX| | its crashed now, need to wait for owner .. its a remote pc |
| 21:20.54 | chops | |DuReX|: Sounds like a kernel bug |
| 21:21.05 | |DuReX| | chops: tried 4 kernels :s |
| 21:21.29 | chops | |DuReX|: That doesn't mean there's not a bug in each of them (possibly the same bug). Is it recent SATA hardware? |
| 21:22.12 | |DuReX| | its kinda alot used sata controller |
| 21:22.15 | |DuReX| | Silicon one |
| 21:22.38 | valdyn | |DuReX|: this could just aswell be your net card |
| 21:22.55 | |DuReX| | valdyn: if i get same load on hdparm ? |
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| 21:23.05 | valdyn | |DuReX|: sure, try that |
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| 21:23.10 | |DuReX| | i tried |
| 21:23.15 | |DuReX| | also high load on hdparm |
| 21:23.23 | |DuReX| | root 4115 33.0 0.2 3520 2464 pts/0 S+ 22:20 0:01 hdparm -Tt /dev/hda |
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| 21:23.48 | hwilde | Anybody understand this error: modprobe icard_cs; FATAL: Error inserting icard_cs; (/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/icard_cs.ko): Invalid module format |
| 21:23.54 | valdyn | |DuReX|: you need to check top for %hi |
| 21:24.01 | valdyn | |DuReX|: just cpu usage means nothing |
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| 21:26.15 | valdyn | |DuReX|: abovementioned dd is good |
| 21:26.35 | karsten | OT: is there any way to have an auto-ack to private messages? |
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| 21:27.03 | wols | karsten: scripts? |
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| 21:28.52 | piztek3 | how do you remove a file that won't delete? |
| 21:29.09 | valdyn | piztek3: why doesnt it delete? |
| 21:29.13 | hwilde | piztek3, rm -f "filenameinquotes" |
| 21:29.18 | piztek3 | valnot sure, it's in the trash |
| 21:29.28 | piztek3 | where is trash located? |
| 21:29.35 | valdyn | ~/.Trash |
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| 21:30.15 | chops | |DuReX|: I would file a bug against the kernel, honestly... that high a %hi for a single file read, combined with the crash, sounds like a kernel bug. Of course, it could be hardware problems. Also, it'd be nice to test in single-user mode, when you know your disk access is the only thing happening on the machine. |
| 21:31.01 | en1gmaa | what app reads my cpu/mb/gpu temps? i have ibsensors3 installed |
| 21:31.04 | piztek3 | it's a directory |
| 21:31.22 | valdyn | piztek3: ~/.Trash is a directory, yes |
| 21:31.23 | hwilde | piztek3, rm -rf "directorynameinquotes" |
| 21:31.30 | wols | lm_sensors, mbmon |
| 21:31.39 | valdyn | en1gmaa: run sensors-detect |
| 21:31.41 | karsten | wols: Any pointers on that? |
| 21:31.44 | en1gmaa | wols i tried mbmon with no luck |
| 21:31.59 | en1gmaa | valdyn no 'sensor' anything in bash |
| 21:32.03 | valdyn | en1gmaa: use apt-cache search to find utilities to read temperatures, there's dozens at least |
| 21:32.11 | valdyn | en1gmaa: install lm-sensors |
| 21:32.23 | wols | karsten: run irssi, learn perl |
| 21:32.32 | en1gmaa | k |
| 21:32.34 | en1gmaa | thanks |
| 21:32.47 | wols | valdyn: there are only two choices |
| 21:32.50 | piztek3 | bbl |
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| 21:32.56 | wols | to actually get the data |
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| 21:33.08 | |DuReX| | weird |
| 21:33.12 | |DuReX| | tought it crashed |
| 21:33.15 | |DuReX| | and came back |
| 21:33.15 | valdyn | wols: hmm? sensors, gkrellm, various gnome applets |
| 21:33.18 | |DuReX| | but not rebooted |
| 21:33.20 | |DuReX| | ... weird |
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| 21:33.37 | en1gmaa | installed lm sensors but it only reports cpu core0 and core1 temp (nothing else) |
| 21:33.54 | valdyn | en1gmaa: you need to run sensors-detect, as i already said |
| 21:33.57 | en1gmaa | valdyn i had those installed and superkaramba too |
| 21:34.06 | en1gmaa | i did that before...but i will do it again |
| 21:34.14 | |DuReX| | logged in and died :s |
| 21:34.15 | |DuReX| | wtf :s |
| 21:34.19 | wols | valdyn: ...to get the data |
| 21:34.24 | valdyn | en1gmaa: you need to actually follow what it sais |
| 21:34.27 | valdyn | wols: yea, true |
| 21:34.40 | wols | valdyn: too much to hope foe... |
| 21:34.42 | wols | *for |
| 21:35.05 | en1gmaa | i did with yes on every Q |
| 21:35.10 | en1gmaa | and then i did enter enter |
| 21:35.29 | valdyn | en1gmaa: the modules dont get loaded magically |
| 21:35.48 | valdyn | en1gmaa: reboot, or load them manually or run '/etc/init.d/module-init-tools start' |
| 21:35.50 | karsten | wols: Doing the first, been trying the second ... |
| 21:35.57 | karsten | wols: ... for 8 years ;-) |
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| 21:36.08 | valdyn | en1gmaa: after you added them manually or let sensors-detect add them to /etc/modules |
| 21:36.19 | en1gmaa | it added em |
| 21:36.29 | en1gmaa | maybe i need to do that start thing you said |
| 21:36.46 | en1gmaa | nice |
| 21:36.49 | en1gmaa | i wasnt starting em |
| 21:36.50 | en1gmaa | grrr |
| 21:38.13 | karsten | !tell en1gmaa about enter |
| 21:38.25 | MiK[3]Zz | :) |
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| 21:38.37 | MiK[3]Zz | en1gmaa is new, nevermind |
| 21:39.03 | MiK[3]Zz | en1gmaa: how do you do with debian? |
| 21:39.04 | en1gmaa | we all start somewhere |
| 21:39.09 | MiK[3]Zz | is it better? |
| 21:39.14 | MiK[3]Zz | en1gmaa: i don't mind too |
| 21:39.21 | en1gmaa | i really like slackware but one thing i love about debian is apt-get |
| 21:39.36 | MiK[3]Zz | yes, i like it too, but hate aptitude |
| 21:39.39 | en1gmaa | cant live with out apt-get |
| 21:39.56 | karsten | MiK[3]Zz: Learn to love aptitude. /msg dpkg aptitude. What don't you like about it? |
| 21:39.59 | en1gmaa | everyone tells me get used to aptitude but i just cant seam to like it |
| 21:40.04 | MiK[3]Zz | it's like a pkg_add in *BSD |
| 21:40.23 | en1gmaa | i like apt-get in console but aptitude just seams to screw with me |
| 21:40.24 | en1gmaa | :) |
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| 21:40.29 | MiK[3]Zz | karsten: apt-get is useful, why use aptitude, if apt-get works |
| 21:40.34 | karsten | en1gmaa: It's CLI compatible w/ apt-get for basic install, upgrade, dist-upgrade, autoclean, clean ops. |
| 21:40.58 | en1gmaa | yea i know |
| 21:40.59 | en1gmaa | :) |
| 21:41.03 | chops | MiK[3]Zz, en1gmaa: I love aptitude on the CLI and hate its curses interface. Different strokes and all that. |
| 21:41.05 | en1gmaa | but it confuses me |
| 21:41.08 | valdyn | karsten: it isnt |
| 21:41.10 | MiK[3]Zz | and graphical synaptic looks good |
| 21:41.27 | karsten | MiK[3]Zz: Well, aptitude is teh shinah new, and is the official apt front-end for etch. Dpkg factoid gives a number fo additional benefits. Deps management, auto removal of deps-installed packages, and logging, are key. |
| 21:41.29 | en1gmaa | im not sure which one i use but its from a term i open in X |
| 21:41.37 | en1gmaa | and then i just type aptitude |
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| 21:41.52 | en1gmaa | i use synaptic alot |
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| 21:43.19 | en1gmaa | but i do alot from a term with 'apt-get' too |
| 21:43.19 | valdyn | en1gmaa: you should stick to aptitude or not us it at all |
| 21:43.19 | karsten | valdyn: There _are_ CLI differences, but not for basic operations. Source is one thing aptitude doesn't do AFAIK. |
| 21:43.19 | valdyn | karsten: aptitude install is just different |
| 21:43.20 | amimusa_ | hi, which program cleans my system ? after upgrade to etch all is messy |
| 21:43.20 | en1gmaa | something about aptitude dont seam intuitive |
| 21:43.20 | amimusa_ | i want to clean it and reinstall from zero (almost) |
| 21:43.20 | karsten | amimusa_: Define "clean" and "messy". |
| 21:43.20 | karsten | !tell amimusa_ about smart questions. |
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| 21:43.21 | amimusa_ | i know this doc |
| 21:43.21 | amimusa_ | ok |
| 21:43.21 | amimusa_ | in fact i advice to read |
| 21:43.28 | valdyn | karsten: it removes 'unused' packages, which may be confusing or even annoying, by default. |
| 21:43.28 | MiK[3]Zz | en1gmaa: and don't say me fucker please again, i didn't swear at you |
| 21:43.30 | karsten | amimusa_: That's very rarely if every necessary. If you don't want a particular package (or packages), uninstall them (purge if you want to lose configs and (in the case of databases) storeed data as well). |
| 21:43.44 | karsten | !tell amimusa_ about enter |
| 21:43.45 | amimusa_ | but i just want to know the name of a program i forget that clean the system os unused pkg |
| 21:43.48 | en1gmaa | then dont call me stupid again please |
| 21:43.56 | MiK[3]Zz | en1gmaa: i didn't! again |
| 21:44.02 | karsten | amimusa_: deborphan, debfoster, aptitude. |
| 21:44.03 | en1gmaa | you were the first to call names |
| 21:44.04 | MiK[3]Zz | en1gmaa: i asked if you are stupid |
| 21:44.11 | MiK[3]Zz | en1gmaa: you called me fucker |
| 21:44.12 | karsten | MiK[3]Zz: en1gmaa: chill. |
| 21:44.18 | en1gmaa | define fucker? isnt it like smurfy |
| 21:44.20 | amimusa_ | deborphan and debfoster |
| 21:44.22 | amimusa_ | yes :) |
| 21:44.25 | amimusa_ | thank |
| 21:44.30 | azeem | MiK[3]Zz: why did you bring it up again now? |
| 21:44.57 | MiK[3]Zz | azeem: what are you trying to do btw? i told him not to say me fucker, that's all omg |
| 21:45.03 | valdyn | en1gmaa: you'll get far on irc, and particularily in unixish channels if you take people precisely literally |
| 21:45.04 | MiK[3]Zz | azeem: why do you mind? |
| 21:45.09 | en1gmaa | well let me just say man this system is running debian beautifully |
| 21:45.12 | karsten | MiK[3]Zz: Don't argue with ops. |
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| 21:45.23 | azeem | MiK[3]Zz: I'm trying to moderate this chan |
| 21:45.25 | MiK[3]Zz | i don't |
| 21:45.34 | en1gmaa | i cant even think of anything i need to setup cause its all working so good |
| 21:45.35 | karsten | MiK[3]Zz: Try again? |
| 21:45.36 | MiK[3]Zz | azeem: good luck |
| 21:45.40 | azeem | MiK[3]Zz: thanks |
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| 21:45.55 | Maximiliank | !java |
| 21:45.55 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. ask me about <non-free> |
| 21:46.07 | madclicker | need help with freeTDS and unixODBC. Can anyone help a brother? |
| 21:46.27 | en1gmaa | i used to use an app called trueimage....will that work on ext2/ext3 partitions? |
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| 21:46.31 | en1gmaa | anyone know |
| 21:46.33 | xand | whose brother? |
| 21:46.35 | symbol | wow |
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| 21:46.46 | xand | madclicker: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 21:46.47 | symbol | good god, Debian has more people in it than linux |
| 21:46.56 | valdyn | en1gmaa: that's a windows application? |
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| 21:47.09 | karsten | !tell madclicker about ask |
| 21:47.13 | madclicker | hi need help setting up unixodbc to connect to a database. I tried setting up the freetds.conf file also odbc.ini and odbcinst.ini. I can even connect to any test JDBC server |
| 21:47.29 | MiK[3]Zz | don't you know where amd will release ati open source drivers? |
| 21:48.06 | madclicker | s/can/can't |
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| 21:49.54 | karsten | madclicker: Not sure you're going to get much advice here, but specifying the commands you're using, response(s) you're getting, and relevant system / access logs from the database you're attempting to connect to would be a good start. |
| 21:49.59 | karsten | !tell madclicker about paster |
| 21:50.14 | karsten | madclicker: You'll want to paste commands and output to the pastebin dpkg just told you about. |
| 21:50.21 | karsten | madclicker: And FWIW, I've got NFC. |
| 21:50.23 | en1gmaa | its actually a live cd |
| 21:50.28 | en1gmaa | so its more like linux |
| 21:51.14 | azeem | en1gmaa: if it's not running linux, it's not linux |
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| 21:52.11 | eckobar_ | hi everybody |
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| 21:52.37 | asarch | eckobar_: Hi |
| 21:52.47 | en1gmaa | it sure looks like a linux kernel when it laods |
| 21:52.58 | madclicker | karsten, NFC? |
| 21:53.05 | azeem | madclicker: "no idea" |
| 21:53.07 | karsten | !nfc |
| 21:53.07 | dpkg | i heard nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
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| 21:53.18 | karsten | en1gmaa: trueimage is the bootable system? |
| 21:53.29 | en1gmaa | yep |
| 21:53.33 | en1gmaa | its like a live cd |
| 21:53.35 | madclicker | Near Field Communication |
| 21:53.38 | en1gmaa | kind of |
| 21:53.39 | karsten | en1gmaa: Source / reference / webpage? |
| 21:53.41 | azeem | en1gmaa: what's the point? |
| 21:53.43 | en1gmaa | 1 sec |
| 21:53.58 | en1gmaa | http://www.acronis.com/promo/ATI/true-image-016.html/?source=google&ad=ati&s_scid=trueimage|847182677&gclid=CPWZ35jwtowCFQlQWAodBztKSg |
| 21:54.03 | wols | karsten: irssi only has a single flaw, but that's a big one: libperl :) |
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| 21:54.17 | karsten | wols: It'll do ;-) |
| 21:54.25 | |DuReX| | just been able to reboot the server |
| 21:54.26 | |DuReX| | ... |
| 21:54.27 | |DuReX| | :D |
| 21:54.47 | eckobar_ | installed amarok on debian etch ... but i get: "loader: amarok probably crashed" when i want to start amarok. could anybody help me? ps: installed from repository, therefore all dependencies should be fixed |
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| 21:55.07 | valdyn | en1gmaa: just use partimage or mondo, depending on what you need, both are free, both are in debian |
| 21:55.08 | en1gmaa | http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/ |
| 21:55.27 | Nurulwai | Why would my LCD screen res be defaulting to 1280x1024 when I switch back to it via the input switch on the screen itself. Hitting one of the res change hotkeys, then switching to a VT and back again fixes it. Something I'm missing or my monitor being shit? |
| 21:55.35 | karsten | en1gmaa: Looking at the datasheet. The fact that it supports reiser is pretty much a telltale of Linux kernel. Point being though that it's not Debian. |
| 21:55.55 | karsten | Nurulwai: Specs on screen / system / GPU? |
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| 21:56.04 | Vasistha | Nurulwai: what are you changing, and what are you expecting it to do? |
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| 21:56.46 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: nope .. all i get is the same four ^L no matter how i arrive at the text ( i also had tried pdf2ps->pstotxt) |
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| 21:56.49 | en1gmaa | karsten is there a good way to backup partitions or physical drives in debian that also compresses the image (and most importantly) so it can be restored from the debian cd/dvd |
| 21:56.54 | Nurulwai | Vasistha: It's a switch on the monitor to change between DVI and DSUB inputs. I am expecting it to always show the correct res of 1680x1050. |
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| 21:57.02 | valdyn | en1gmaa: yea, that trueimage emergency disk seems to be linux based |
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| 21:57.16 | karsten | en1gmaa: tar |
| 21:57.25 | en1gmaa | yea that emergency disk is everything you need as it creates images and resores em |
| 21:57.28 | Nurulwai | karsten: Nvidia FX graphics card, LG widescreen LCD monitor. Defaulting to non-native res |
| 21:57.30 | xand | Nurulwai: what monitor and which input does that? |
| 21:57.44 | Nurulwai | xand: dsub is the one with the weirdness. |
| 21:57.49 | karsten | Nurulwai: OK. Mind I've got no idea, but that information will probably be useful. |
| 21:58.05 | Nurulwai | Fair enough |
| 21:58.37 | Nurulwai | I expect I'll give up and grab a DVI switchbox. |
| 21:58.38 | xand | maybe set 1680x1050 to be the only res your X server will use |
| 21:58.44 | Nurulwai | Have done :-) |
| 21:58.52 | Nurulwai | Hence my surprise at it picking 1280x1024 |
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| 21:59.35 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i'll check in wiht you later/tomorrow .. i've been at work far too long already today :) |
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| 22:01.17 | valdyn | uh, 699 euro for that silly backup tool |
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| 22:01.58 | Vasistha | valdyn: ah, but you're not paying for software - you're paying for marketing and middle management? |
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| 22:02.05 | Vasistha | s/?/!/ |
| 22:02.09 | Nurulwai | Okay. I seriously need a DVI switchbox. The DVI input beats the living shit out of the vga one. |
| 22:02.41 | xand | DVI + USB KVM switches seem to cost a lot more than VGA + PS2 ones :( |
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| 22:02.56 | Nurulwai | DVI KVMs are horribly expensive, else I'd have one :-( |
| 22:03.03 | valdyn | en1gmaa: try mondo, its superior to disk images |
| 22:03.03 | karsten | DVI? |
| 22:03.12 | chops | Nurulwai: Have you used your LCD screen's auto-adjust feature? |
| 22:03.23 | Nurulwai | chops: Yeah. |
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| 22:03.35 | Nurulwai | chops: But the difference is actually pretty impressive |
| 22:03.36 | chops | Run X with no options (go to the checkerboard pattern, hit the auto-adjust, and watch your screen get a lot crisper) |
| 22:03.55 | Nurulwai | It is crisp and clear. The DVI is just transparent. |
| 22:04.00 | chops | Before someone on IRC told me that I was going to buy a new video card with a DVI out :-). Once I did it, the difference was pretty negligible for me. |
| 22:04.22 | Nurulwai | Perhaps I have a shit analogue -> digital converter in my monitor |
| 22:04.28 | chops | Nurulwai: Transparent? |
| 22:04.37 | Nurulwai | Better than clear :-) |
| 22:04.46 | chops | Nurulwai: Ah, gotcha :-) |
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| 22:04.56 | Nurulwai | The VGA is not bad at all. It's damn good. |
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| 22:05.07 | karsten | Vasistha: Digital video. As I suspected. |
| 22:05.27 | karsten | Vasistha: Real [Wo]Men[tm] use serial consoles and IPMI. |
| 22:05.51 | Vasistha | heh |
| 22:06.02 | Vasistha | karsten: especially when doing a/v work! |
| 22:06.40 | karsten | Vasistha: Dude, that's why ghod invented X11 and network audio. |
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| 22:07.15 | |DuReX| | valdyn: u need output from interrupts ? |
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| 22:09.57 | |DuReX| | u still there valdyn ? |
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| 22:13.46 | |DuReX| | Cpu(s): 0.3%us, 7.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 92.2%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st |
| 22:13.50 | |DuReX| | this was top btw ... |
| 22:14.59 | Greyscale | nm-applet doesn't work. It just errors like this: |
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| 22:15.21 | Greyscale | ** (nm-applet:5119): WARNING **: <WARNING> nma_dbus_init (): nma_dbus_init() could not acquire its service. dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.25" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file' |
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| 22:17.13 | MiK[3]Zz | Greyscale: security policies, it should be selinux |
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| 22:17.40 | MiK[3]Zz | or another technique |
| 22:17.51 | Greyscale | MiK[3]Zz, please say that slower and clearer for a retard like myself Oo |
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| 22:18.07 | MiK[3]Zz | Greyscale: are you using SELinux? |
| 22:18.26 | Greyscale | I don't know. Just an install of lenny, fresh today |
| 22:18.31 | MiK[3]Zz | if you don't install it manually, you actually don't |
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| 22:18.57 | MiK[3]Zz | oh, but unstable/testing/experimental has a lot of bugs |
| 22:19.05 | MiK[3]Zz | it should be a bug then |
| 22:19.23 | Greyscale | better question: what things do I need to install for nm? |
| 22:20.21 | |DuReX| | [23:19:31] <valdyn> |DuReX|: check /proc/interrupts for which interrupt is being fired constantly |
| 22:20.29 | |DuReX| | interrupts should stay the same or , |
| 22:20.30 | |DuReX| | ? |
| 22:20.53 | |DuReX| | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.57 | |DuReX| | is high ... |
| 22:21.00 | MiK[3]Zz | Greyscale: i don't know, maybe anobody answers |
| 22:21.34 | Greyscale | :/ |
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| 22:23.15 | |DuReX| | somebody ? :( |
| 22:24.08 | karsten | !tell |DuReX| about paste |
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| 22:24.12 | karsten | !tell |DuReX| about enter |
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| 22:24.40 | |DuReX| | what should i paste :) |
| 22:25.03 | nergar | where can find about the repositories? |
| 22:25.19 | |DuReX| | i told my problem before here, but pc crashed then, i'm just getting extremely high cpu loads when i'm acessing harddisks ... |
| 22:25.20 | nergar | i'm migrating from ubuntu to debian :) |
| 22:25.27 | Ronin | nergar: good man |
| 22:25.30 | MiK[3]Zz | nergar: very good choice |
| 22:25.32 | Ronin | !tell nergar abotu mirrors |
| 22:25.52 | Ronin | doh |
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| 22:25.57 | Ronin | !tell nergar about mirrors |
| 22:26.21 | Ronin | damn bot should be able by now to speak Ronin |
| 22:26.22 | nergar | lol, thnx |
| 22:26.31 | asarch | !tell asarch about mirrors |
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| 22:26.56 | Vasistha | %tell asarch about msg the bot |
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| 22:28.05 | nergar | Ronin, are there "multiverse" and "univese" repositories in debian or only Main? |
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| 22:29.06 | Vasistha | nergar: main, contrib, non-free |
| 22:29.19 | nergar | thnx Vasistha |
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| 22:29.29 | chlue | Hello I tried to install the amd64 version of Debian 4 on my Pc, but i have trouble with my network. I have to use a static ip. I entered IP, Gateway,Subnetmask and DNS, but all i can do is to ping this ip's. Everthing else refuse to work. Under windows this settings work. Is there somethink else I need to set right? |
| 22:29.33 | KOSHrf | Hi |
| 22:29.46 | karsten | |DuReX|: More appropriately, *don't* paste to channel. |
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| 22:29.52 | Vasistha | nergar: you may also want to check out debian-multimedia.org which hosts some code with licensing issues |
| 22:30.11 | dsa | hi |
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| 22:30.22 | dsa | which package contains apt-setup ? |
| 22:30.24 | nergar | Vasistha, just what i was looking for, thnx |
| 22:30.36 | dsa | i just installed debian 4.0 netinstall |
| 22:30.37 | Vasistha | chlue: I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but I can say that static IP does not work with networkmanager, so you shouldn't be using NM; maybe pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 22:30.43 | KOSHrf | I have a problem when i compile a new kernel (2.6.21, using make-kpkg --initrd etc) i have LVM (inside the kernel, not M) when i boot with the new kernel (After installing with dpkg -i new_kernel.deb) it says it can't find my LVM VG, any clue? :o |
| 22:30.46 | Vasistha | !apt-setup |
| 22:30.46 | dpkg | methinks apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in etch and later since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
| 22:31.00 | Vasistha | ^^^ dsa apt-setup is not in etch |
| 22:31.03 | dsa | already looked in google but i really could not find |
| 22:31.08 | karsten | |DuReX|: For tracking load, first determine if it's CPU utilization or load average, which are _not_ the same thing. Look for 'D' state processes w/ 'ps -waux | gawk 'NR=1 || $8 ~ "^D"' |
| 22:31.35 | dsa | Vasistha: what do i use to reconfigure apt sources then ? |
| 22:31.39 | MiK[3]Zz | imho it's load average |
| 22:31.41 | karsten | erm, ps -waux | gawk 'NR==1 || $8 ~"^D"' |
| 22:32.14 | karsten | |DuReX|: 'top' will tell you what CPU utilization % is. High idle or iowait states indicate something other than CPU usage. |
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| 22:32.36 | bazz | is there a way to print out the size of all the packages on my machine (and preferably sort by that too) |
| 22:32.47 | Vasistha | dsa: well, there's apt-spy and netselect-apt ... I just configure the /etc/apt/sources.list by hand, myself, and I hand-pick a mirror from the mirror list that's geographically close to me |
| 22:33.02 | dsa | understood |
| 22:33.08 | dsa | Vasistha: thanks a lot |
| 22:33.09 | dsa | :) |
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| 22:33.27 | |DuReX| | karsten: root 4043 28.5 0.2 3524 2468 pts/0 S+ 00:32 0:02 hdparm -tT /dev/hdc |
| 22:33.45 | karsten | bazz: You can grep through your Packages archive. dpkg-awk may do something like that too. |
| 22:33.48 | Vasistha | bazz: well, if you happen to still have the .deb's, then you can just do an ls -lt in /var/cache/apt/archives ... but you may want installed size, anyway. |
| 22:33.50 | karsten | |DuReX|: Nope |
| 22:33.53 | chlue | Vasistha: I cannot post the file right now, because i restarted windows. I just want to install Debian with a netinstall CD. (works fine on my laptop with dhcp) but for my main system i need to use a static ip, because the dormitory assigned me a static ip |
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| 22:33.55 | |DuReX| | not D states ... |
| 22:34.25 | Vasistha | chlue: oh ... do you have the 160 MB net install, or the business card image? |
| 22:34.38 | chlue | Vasistha: the 160mb one |
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| 22:34.44 | karsten | |DuReX|: interruptable state == 'S'. That's fine. |
| 22:34.45 | fantomas | Hi. |
| 22:34.58 | chlue | Vasistha: but without internet this is close to nothing anyway |
| 22:35.01 | bazz | Vasistha: yeah, and i clean out my archives dir pretty regularly too |
| 22:35.18 | karsten | |DuReX|: 'vmstat' and 'iostat' may also show something of interest. Supply a numeric argument (eg: '4') and look at lines *after* the first. |
| 22:36.15 | Vasistha | chlue: ahh, then you can just do the install without the network connection and you will get a base install. (it'll give you a warning during the install that it can't connect, but don't worry about that) once you get the base install, you can configure /etc/network/interfaces and just install your stuff with aptitude! |
| 22:36.15 | fantomas | FF claims it wants JRE plugin. What package should I install? sun-java5-jre or sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-jre or sun-java6-plugin? |
| 22:36.16 | pickcoder | chlue: is there dhcp services available, which the installer is incorrectly using? |
| 22:36.16 | pickcoder | s/is/are |
| 22:36.16 | sebas_ | why does debian full install need 21 cds? |
| 22:36.16 | Vasistha | chlue: I did that recently; it worked just great. |
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| 22:36.19 | Vasistha | sebas_: well, nobody really needs a full install. just use the 160 MB net install CD |
| 22:36.19 | pickcoder | sebas_: more software than you can shake a stick at |
| 22:36.35 | karsten | sebas_: It's a plot from teh Evahl CD Cartal! |
| 22:36.47 | chlue | Vasistha: but the problem is, that i don't get my network working. Pinging myself and the Gateway and DNS-Server works, but everything else fails. |
| 22:36.50 | karsten | sebas_: 17,500+ packages. Why are you doing a full install? |
| 22:36.54 | karsten | !tell sebas_ about netinst |
| 22:37.09 | karsten | sebas_: My preferred installer is Knoppix + debootstrap m'self. |
| 22:37.16 | sebas_ | karsten, I didn't say I'm full installing! |
| 22:37.25 | KOSHrf | I have a problem when i compile a new kernel (2.6.21, using make-kpkg --initrd etc) i have LVM (inside the kernel, not M) when i boot with the new kernel (After installing with dpkg -i new_kernel.deb) it says it can't find my LVM VG, any clue? :o |
| 22:37.27 | bazz | karsten: thanks |
| 22:37.29 | karsten | sebas_: You didn't not say it either. |
| 22:37.29 | azeem | sebas_: there's no such thing as a "full install" |
| 22:37.30 | pickcoder | sebas_: there's also the DVD ISOs |
| 22:37.41 | pickcoder | if you want fewer coasters |
| 22:37.44 | |DuReX| | http://paste.debian.net/29273 |
| 22:37.47 | |DuReX| | this is my iostat |
| 22:37.54 | sebas_ | karsten, does netinst have any GUI? |
| 22:37.56 | |DuReX| | looks normal, but got 75% cpu load in top |
| 22:38.26 | streuner_ | sebas_: what _kind_ of GUI do you want? |
| 22:38.38 | Vasistha | chlue: do you have experience doing this setup with /etc/network/interfaces ? It should be pretty basic, but if you don't know how to write the config file, it won't be so easy. I can pastebin a sample for you if you like. And, you know how to use ifup and ifdown and ifconfig ? |
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| 22:39.00 | karsten | |DuReX|: Save us the nickle-and-dime game, and post ps -waux; iostat 4 15; vmstat 4 15; top -b -n1 |
| 22:39.08 | karsten | |DuReX|: ... on one page. |
| 22:39.10 | azeem | sebas_: you're supposed to install the GUI over the internet |
| 22:39.16 | karsten | Vasistha: man 5 interfaces. |
| 22:39.17 | azeem | ... using netinst |
| 22:39.38 | karsten | Vasistha: Erm, nm. |
| 22:39.45 | pickcoder | Vasistha: you're missing a crucial point in the network install.. if the dhcp auto-config fails it will prompt for manual network config. There is no need to go edit /etc/interfaces if the system isn't installed. |
| 22:40.06 | chlue | Vasistha: i don't have experience, but i allready found the file and it contains the right ip, gateway and dns. |
| 22:40.35 | sebas_ | azeem, oh, so that's where the name comes from: you install "just" the main software and then you download what you need, for instance the GUI |
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| 22:40.36 | azeem | right |
| 22:40.40 | karsten | |DuReX|: That iostat tells us nothing. Single-iteration invocations unfortunately provi8de a "since boot" (or "since last invocation, I can't recall which) summary. So you want to supply an interval and (optionally) iteration count. Eg: iostat 4 4 |
| 22:40.50 | chlue | pickcoder: I installed with 'install netcfg/disable.dhcp=true' so it asked me in the first place |
| 22:41.05 | karsten | sebas_: Right. Netinst is the way to fly if you can. |
| 22:41.19 | pickcoder | chlue: you can boot in "expert" mode and backtrace the install options |
| 22:41.46 | Vasistha | chlue: just to get a handle on where we are right now: did you proceed with the base install, and can you now boot into debian linux, though without networking? Also, do you have two computers handy, so you can chat on irc while working on the stuff? |
| 22:41.48 | karsten | sebas_: You _can_ d/l the full CD archive (/msg dpkg jigdo if you're going to do that) if you're installing where you've got a *very* slow network link or none at all. I've done netinst on dialup, not too bad if you don't mind doing your first large pull overnight. |
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| 22:42.20 | karsten | sebas_: Otherwise, figure 20-40 minutes for an install depending on network speed. There are other ways (apt-proxy) to speed this up for multisystem installs at one location. |
| 22:42.25 | |DuReX| | karsten: http://paste.debian.net/29275 |
| 22:42.27 | |DuReX| | there u are :) |
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| 22:42.38 | chlue | Vasistha: Yes i got a working base system. I have my laptop at hand, but he is not online, because i have only one ip to spare |
| 22:42.58 | karsten | |DuReX|: Missing a space between 'ps' and '-waux' |
| 22:43.17 | karsten | |DuReX|: Erm, no you're not, nevermind. |
| 22:43.18 | Vasistha | chlue: heh .. well, at least that means you can just disconnect a cable and reconnect, rather than having to reboot the whole system :) |
| 22:43.20 | |DuReX| | :) |
| 22:44.05 | Vasistha | chlue: although you might want to make sure the network (is this a university network or something?) is not leasing the IP address out to a specific MAC address for some period of time, and thus denying connections from any other systems |
| 22:44.11 | sebas_ | karsten: ok, thanks. I'll see if I can install debian on an old pc to understand more about this |
| 22:44.17 | chlue | I wrote up a ip for google and for an local deb archieve, so I think I try rebooting and check if the network works, if i use the ip. Then i know at least if it is 'only' a dns problem |
| 22:44.23 | karsten | |DuReX|: Load looks fine BTW, and has been for a while. Could have been your daily jobs were kicking off earlier. |
| 22:44.41 | Vasistha | chlue: btw, your dns stuff should go in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:44.59 | |DuReX| | karsten: but if like 5 ftp transfers, pc is really 'slow' |
| 22:45.02 | |DuReX| | high loads etc :s |
| 22:45.09 | karsten | |DuReX|: If you want a logged history of system activity levels, install the sysstat package and use 'sar'. Remember to enable it during install. |
| 22:45.10 | |DuReX| | its weird, it shouldn't be |
| 22:45.41 | karsten | |DuReX|: 1 GB RAM or thereabouts? What's CPU speed? |
| 22:45.53 | |DuReX| | 1 ftp process that uses 55% of cpu is sick |
| 22:45.56 | |DuReX| | 900mb ram |
| 22:46.00 | |DuReX| | 1.5gb swap |
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| 22:46.06 | |DuReX| | 2.2ghz intel celeron |
| 22:46.31 | chlue | Vasistha: yes its an university network. Thanks for the help. I will reboot and try the new information. If I do not show up soon, it may have worked :-) |
| 22:46.40 | Supaplex | !reboot |
| 22:46.40 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 22:47.04 | karsten | |DuReX|: Try running both iostat and vmstat (just one arg, '4' for update freq) while doing that then, see if you can trigger the slowness. |
| 22:47.06 | Vasistha | chlue: well, I'll be gone anyway :) good luck! man interfaces; and familiarize yourself with ifup, ifdown, ifconfig ... hope it works |
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| 22:47.47 | Vasistha | chlue: and yes, this is a good point -- in all likelihood, you do not need to reboot the linux system. |
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| 22:53.22 | flyinprogramer | you, i need help with exim4.... i run the command mailq as root, shows some messages are frozen, how do i unfreeze them? |
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| 22:54.25 | petemc | exim4 -M msgid , or exim4 -qff to do them all |
| 22:54.32 | petemc | you would need to have fixed what caused them to be frozen in the first place for that to work |
| 22:54.51 | flyinprogramer | petemc thanks :) |
| 22:54.53 | flyinprogramer | i fixed it |
| 22:55.02 | petemc | cool, np |
| 22:55.31 | flyinprogramer | SON OF A |
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| 22:55.51 | flyinprogramer | gmail has like permanently blocked all my outbound mail from my server |
| 22:56.04 | flyinprogramer | and i have no idea how to do mail relay with verizon... |
| 22:56.48 | Bogus8 | I used rsync --archive -vv --stats --progress --rsh=ssh --sparse <source> <destination> to transfer some files over my network.. well the destination dir was the same on two of the transfers... should that command have erased what I had previously rsynced to that dir? |
| 22:56.48 | petemc | find out their outgoing mta, set up a manualroute router to use it - or use the smarthost option in the debconf config |
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| 22:57.17 | |DuReX| | karsten: http://paste.debian.net/29278 |
| 22:57.23 | bws42 | flyinprogramer more likely that verizon blocked it |
| 22:57.31 | ofirg_ | isn't there a dbmail package for etch? |
| 22:58.20 | flyinprogramer | bws42 "gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [66.249.83.27]: 550-5.7.1 [72.65.105.249] The IP you're using to send email is not authorized\n550-5.7.1 to send email directly" |
| 22:58.31 | Bogus8 | speaking of mail... what is the best app for just sending out email of logs and such via scripts when you don't need a full blown mail server (and it needs to go to an external email account) |
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| 22:59.21 | bws42 | flyinprogramer does your mail server have a hostname that resolves to your IP? and an IP that resolves back to that hostname? |
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| 23:00.04 | flyinprogramer | bws42 yeah.... i had an incident with gmail though.... my server..... tried sending 5238 e-mails to my e-mail account at once... |
| 23:00.25 | flyinprogramer | i'm now on their spam list... |
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| 23:00.29 | bws42 | ohhh, gotcha |
| 23:00.31 | |DuReX| | karsten: in the beginning the pc is not lagging, but after 5 lines or something lagging started, @ the end upload was stopped, and lagging also gone .... |
| 23:01.09 | TAKTLx | good evening. i have a Plustek Opticpro 4800P Scanner... is it possible to insert it in the printer serial port to work and how do i set the xsane options to select that device instead of taking my ?? Haupauge Conexant DVB-T ?? |
| 23:01.09 | bws42 | heh don't suppose they gave you info on how to remove yourself from it? :) |
| 23:01.37 | flyinprogramer | bws42 of course not |
| 23:01.48 | flyinprogramer | i email them... i can't remember what their reply was |
| 23:01.50 | \amethyst | flyinprogramer: there are probably plenty of other ISPs that won't take your email, either, since it's a dynamic address |
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| 23:03.03 | flyinprogramer | yeah you're right |
| 23:03.16 | karsten | |DuReX|: yeah, vmstat basically says: idle for the first two periods, then busy, then idle idle for the last 8 cycles. You're definitely hitting CPU there. Not swapping. Fairly high system CPU (as opposed to user). |
| 23:03.27 | TAKTLx | the printer serial i say since it says on the backside of my PC " printer " |
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| 23:03.41 | flyinprogramer | if i were to set it up to relay the e-mail to a Verizon mail server though, it should work... i just have no idea how to set that up |
| 23:03.52 | \amethyst | flyinprogramer: what MTA do you use? exim4? |
| 23:04.17 | |DuReX| | karsten: itsn't it crazy ... such high cpu load for a bit harddisk access ?? :s |
| 23:04.30 | flyinprogramer | \amethyst yup exim4 |
| 23:04.42 | \amethyst | flyinprogramer: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 23:05.08 | flyinprogramer | \amethyst yah, thanks, ok not that dumb, i have no idea what to put as settings to get the relay to work |
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| 23:05.35 | bws42 | flyinprogramer how about this: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Exim_with_a_remote_SMTP_server |
| 23:05.59 | petemc | 23:56 < petemc> find out their outgoing mta, set up a manualroute router to use it - or use the smarthost option in the debconf config |
| 23:06.02 | flyinprogramer | bws42 yay, that could be helpful! |
| 23:06.22 | flyinprogramer | hey, i could use the gmail server then :) |
| 23:06.37 | karsten | |DuReX|: Doesn |
| 23:06.52 | \amethyst | flyinprogramer: If you read up on the config, you can do things like route directly to certain domains, or alternatively only use your ISP for sending to certain domains. I do the latter |
| 23:06.54 | karsten | |DuReX|: Doesn't make much sense. Run 'top' and see what it reports as top CPU process. |
| 23:06.56 | petemc | flyinprogramer: theres a section on the debian exim4 wiki about using gmail as a smarthost |
| 23:07.10 | |DuReX| | Cpu(s): 0.3%us, 7.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 92.2%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st |
| 23:07.50 | flyinprogramer | \amethyst sweet, yeah that's what i'd want, and petemc that's exactly what i should do |
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| 23:08.20 | \amethyst | |DuReX|: What kind of hardware access? |
| 23:08.34 | |DuReX| | how u mean 'hardware access' ? |
| 23:09.15 | |DuReX| | load was created by uploading files to ftp running on that pc ... |
| 23:09.23 | \amethyst | |DuReX|: sorry... the 92.2%hi means the CPU is spending most of its time serving hardware IRQs |
| 23:09.42 | |DuReX| | not really normal ?... |
| 23:09.46 | \amethyst | |DuReX|: maybe something funny with your network card? Do you get high CPU usage when downloading a file? |
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| 23:09.59 | |DuReX| | yea, but also with hdparm :s |
| 23:10.04 | |DuReX| | wich doesn't use nic |
| 23:10.22 | \amethyst | |DuReX|: how fast does the upload/download go? |
| 23:10.48 | |DuReX| | 100mbit ... |
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| 23:10.59 | |DuReX| | if +5 uploads / downloads @ once |
| 23:11.22 | karsten | |DuReX|: What are you saving to? Local disk or external (eg: USB/Firewire)? |
| 23:11.37 | |DuReX| | local disks |
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| 23:12.31 | |DuReX| | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.36 | |DuReX| | /proc/interrupts ... |
| 23:13.45 | |DuReX| | Cpu(s): 29.8%us, 8.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 41.7%id, 9.6%wa, 2.6%hi, 7.6%si, 0.0%st |
| 23:13.48 | karsten | What sort of NIC? |
| 23:13.50 | |DuReX| | with only 1 upload |
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| 23:14.42 | |DuReX| | got 2 nics :) how i know what one is eth0 :) |
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| 23:15.38 | ma3x | hello |
| 23:15.48 | ma3x | what should be the chmod of /tmp ? |
| 23:15.51 | ma3x | 777 ? |
| 23:16.00 | MiK[3]Zz | yes |
| 23:16.07 | azeem | 1777 |
| 23:16.09 | nevyn | and stikcy |
| 23:16.21 | ma3x | 1777? is that for sticky |
| 23:16.32 | ma3x | cause i tried to boot and it froze where syslogd was starting |
| 23:16.43 | ma3x | and it complained it cannot write to tmp (read only) |
| 23:16.51 | ma3x | so I was wondering, because it's already 777 |
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| 23:16.57 | azeem | ma3x: you sure the file system itself wasn't read only? |
| 23:16.58 | MiK[3]Zz | oh yes, 1777 |
| 23:17.18 | ma3x | azeem, how could it be? |
| 23:17.28 | ma3x | I didnt choose the single user mode |
| 23:17.29 | asarch | How can format a usb memory stick with vfat? |
| 23:17.38 | asarch | Is it the same with mkdosfs? |
| 23:17.38 | azeem | dunno, lot's of reasons |
| 23:17.42 | karsten | asarch: mkfs.vfat |
| 23:17.49 | asarch | Thanks |
| 23:17.57 | ma3x | azeem, like what for example? |
| 23:18.08 | |DuReX| | anyway karsten: 3COM & Realtek nic |
| 23:18.10 | karsten | asarch: You'll need the right partition, usually /dev/sda1 or /dev/sde1, see what shwos up in dmesg when you plug in the disk. |
| 23:18.10 | asarch | mkfs.vfat: unable to open /dev/sdb |
| 23:18.19 | |DuReX| | 3com is first in lspci, so thats eth0 right |
| 23:18.20 | azeem | ma3x: like a failed fsck |
| 23:18.23 | azeem | dunno |
| 23:18.30 | azeem | ma3x: try with 1777 first and worry then, maybe? |
| 23:18.31 | ma3x | azeem, ah yes that could be!!! |
| 23:18.45 | karsten | asarch: Um, dude, sort out which partition it is *before* you go blindly repartitioning / rebuilding filesystems. |
| 23:18.51 | karsten | |DuReX|: Maybe. |
| 23:19.04 | |DuReX| | any way to see it ? :) |
| 23:19.08 | ma3x | ok azeem thanks! |
| 23:19.16 | karsten | |DuReX|: By mac address. |
| 23:19.23 | karsten | |DuReX|: Those are typed to manufacturer. |
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| 23:19.26 | asarch | The write mode was on |
| 23:19.29 | asarch | Deamn |
| 23:19.32 | asarch | :-D |
| 23:19.44 | asarch | mkfs.vfat: Will not try to make filesystem on full-disk device '/dev/sdb' (use -I if wanted) |
| 23:19.58 | karsten | asarch: Dude, stop. |
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| 23:20.11 | |DuReX| | Cpu(s): 7.0%us, 27.2%sy, 0.0%ni, 20.9%id, 16.9%wa, 7.9%hi, 20.2%si, 0.0%st <- this is when i download something with wget |
| 23:20.11 | karsten | asarch: read the fucking man page, *and* what I tell, you. |
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| 23:20.18 | karsten | asarch: ... *before* you hose your system fully. |
| 23:20.30 | karsten | asarch: /dev/<disk>1 |
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| 23:20.41 | karsten | asarch: Not the raw device. |
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| 23:20.59 | MiK[3]Zz | it's like: i'm gonna do rm -rf /, but i don't know what happens :) |
| 23:21.02 | karsten | asarch: And make sure you've got the right device first. Sort out where your system disks are and avoid those. |
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| 23:22.02 | karsten | |DuReX|: MAC address / vendor lookup. 'ifconfig' will give the MAC: http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/index.shtml |
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| 23:22.24 | newuser | hello |
| 23:22.51 | newuser | i just instlled etch with a netinstall cd, how do upgrade to sid?? |
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| 23:23.05 | karsten | !etch>sid |
| 23:23.31 | karsten | Feh. |
| 23:24.15 | azeem | newuser: why do you want to upgrade to sid? It's not supported here, btw, so you would have to look elsewhere for advise afterwards |
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| 23:24.31 | karsten | azeem: it's not? |
| 23:24.34 | |DuReX| | karsten: it doesn't know both :s |
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| 23:24.54 | azeem | karsten: didn't you get the memo? |
| 23:25.00 | newuser | np, i want unstable |
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| 23:25.17 | karsten | azeem: Damn it, I toss all my junk mail. Thought it was another SPI pledge letter. |
| 23:25.20 | runa | hey :) I have a process which is doing a lot of IO (I see IOWAIT ~70%) but I don't know which process it is. Any hints? There's nothing weird in ps |
| 23:25.20 | azeem | newuser: we usually believe users who want unstable know how to get it themselves |
| 23:25.33 | karsten | runa: atop, needs a patched kernel. |
| 23:25.39 | karsten | newuser: What azeem said. |
| 23:25.44 | |DuReX| | 02:08.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3Com 3C920B-EMB-WNM Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 40) |
| 23:25.46 | |DuReX| | thats eth0 |
| 23:25.48 | karsten | newuser: Read the APT HOWTO for statrers. |
| 23:26.04 | newuser | never used debian defore but i know my way arround unix systems |
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| 23:26.07 | karsten | |DuReX|: OK. Now the question is why you're getting so much IO traffic on it. |
| 23:26.11 | karsten | newuser: Same answer. |
| 23:26.16 | newuser | before* |
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| 23:27.52 | runa | karsten: no chance to patch the kernel. any other ideas? |
| 23:27.55 | karsten | !tell newuser about stable->unstable |
| 23:28.07 | karsten | runa: Sure, sned me a check for $1,000,000 US. |
| 23:28.13 | karsten | runa: That's one of my ideas ;-) |
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| 23:29.13 | |DuReX| | how you mean alot of IO traffic on it ? if u download u get IO traffic on it ofc ... |
| 23:29.22 | karsten | runa: You could try to find where on the filesystem data are being written to, and look for open files and the processes associated with same. |
| 23:29.41 | karsten | |DuReX|: s/io/irq/ |
| 23:29.51 | karsten | |DuReX|: Could be it's performing to spec, but it seems busy to me. |
| 23:30.22 | karsten | runa: the process involved in IO probably has corresponding CPU utilization, through it may not be the biggest user. |
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| 23:31.44 | dmitryd | hello |
| 23:31.45 | |DuReX| | could it be because Packet socket: mmapped IO wasn't enabled in kernel ?? |
| 23:31.59 | karsten | |DuReX|: stock or custom kernel? |
| 23:32.17 | karsten | |DuReX|: NFC, but that's somethign you could research (LKML, google). |
| 23:32.42 | |DuReX| | custom kernel |
| 23:33.01 | nergar | exit |
| 23:33.03 | karsten | |DuReX|: Could be. Down that path lies amdness. |
| 23:33.06 | nergar | duh |
| 23:33.07 | karsten | /amd/mad/ |
| 23:34.49 | |DuReX| | going to try kernel with it :) |
| 23:34.51 | |DuReX| | lets see |
| 23:34.53 | |DuReX| | & hope :) |
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| 23:34.57 | |DuReX| | thx for help anyway dude |
| 23:35.11 | karsten | NP. |
| 23:35.28 | karsten | |DuReX|: I'd think your kernel build may be an issue. Quick test is to boot stock and compare results. |
| 23:35.47 | |DuReX| | how can i recompile stock kernel ? |
| 23:35.54 | |DuReX| | cause hardware was replaced after install |
| 23:36.05 | |DuReX| | so the old stock kernel will not work anymore i bet ;) |
| 23:36.18 | karsten | !k-p |
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| 23:36.57 | karsten | !make-kpkg |
| 23:36.57 | dpkg | [make-kpkg] the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 23:37.19 | karsten | Actually, the old kernel (or a recent stock one)_ should autodetect most sane recent hardware just fine. |
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| 23:47.40 | runa | karsten: thank you |
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| 23:51.25 | bpun | hi |
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| 23:54.08 | cafuego | So, on the dir_index option for ext2/ext3... what constitutes a large directory? |
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