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| 00:00.10 | en1gma | im still trying to get that to work |
| 00:00.56 | cusco | en1gma: use: file some-file.exe |
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| 00:01.04 | cusco | it will tell you if it is a zip file |
| 00:01.09 | cusco | if so, you can use unzip |
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| 00:04.20 | dmesg | hi dudes |
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| 00:04.39 | dmesg | what is the installer name for debian? |
| 00:04.42 | Xeus_22 | Buenas noches ! |
| 00:04.44 | simonrvn | d-i |
| 00:04.48 | dmesg | buenas |
| 00:04.50 | simonrvn | debian-installer |
| 00:04.53 | en1gma | oh ok 1 sec |
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| 00:05.03 | dmesg | simonrvn: is opensource? |
| 00:05.16 | simonrvn | of course |
| 00:05.31 | dmesg | simonrvn: is posible can i use it on an netbsd? |
| 00:05.33 | simonrvn | why wouldn't it be? |
| 00:05.34 | en1gma | nforce4_amd_winvista32_15.00_english_whql.exe: MS-DOS executable PE for MS Windows (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit |
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| 00:05.48 | en1gma | crap |
| 00:05.51 | simonrvn | there's a debian/bsd or such |
| 00:06.15 | simonrvn | there's pages on debian.org about it |
| 00:06.18 | lindabb | mm hablan todos ingles? |
| 00:06.37 | simonrvn | lingua franca aqui, si |
| 00:06.44 | dmesg | simonrvn: im making a netbsd live cd, i want to use a debian instalar if posible |
| 00:07.12 | lindabb | what? |
| 00:07.14 | simonrvn | nobody's stopping you ;). it's GPL IIRC |
| 00:07.32 | lindabb | no entender nada |
| 00:07.39 | lindabb | fuchi |
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| 00:07.44 | simonrvn | lindabb: yes, it's the lingua franca for here |
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| 00:08.16 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 00:08.23 | en1gma | wine let it unrar |
| 00:08.26 | en1gma | got lucky |
| 00:08.43 | nhuisman_work | how good is the iscsi target in debian? |
| 00:08.52 | nhuisman_work | are there any software packages to manage it in a nice way |
| 00:09.37 | simonrvn | dunno, i guess take a look at what's there |
| 00:09.47 | simonrvn | !tell nhuisman_work -about search |
| 00:10.11 | nhuisman_work | basically enterprise iscsi target |
| 00:11.13 | caravel | would a big swap slow performances ? |
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| 00:11.50 | Supaplex | caravel: not unless you actually using a lot |
| 00:12.16 | mcgreg | help pls, I updated to new icedove, now everything is gone ... I have to do soemth9ing with the config-file or soemthing? |
| 00:12.17 | caravel | Supaplex: thanks |
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| 00:13.07 | Supaplex | caravel: if so, you need more ram :) (or run less) |
| 00:13.32 | caravel | planning to run |
| 00:13.53 | caravel | Supaplex: planning to run VMs, but occasionaly |
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| 00:15.51 | caravel | how about the swap location on the disk ? big incidence whether the swap part is at start or end ? |
| 00:16.28 | Supaplex | do you have multiple drives? |
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| 00:17.08 | caravel | Supaplex: nope, that one is a laptop but 7200rpm I think |
| 00:17.12 | Supaplex | start/end don't matter a whole lot. |
| 00:17.35 | Supaplex | I perfer start myself, seems to be where most of my data is to begin with. |
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| 00:18.15 | caravel | Supaplex: thanks. I know they are a bit silly questions but it´s been a few years I thought I should ask some day :) |
| 00:19.32 | Supaplex | and in the end, I skip frustration, and put it where it's easiest. no point in spending 15 minutes deciding where swap should live. :) |
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| 00:24.52 | quintin | I'm trying to install curl, and apt wants to remove my kernel |
| 00:24.54 | quintin | wtf? :) |
| 00:25.45 | gpm | does it mention any conflicts? |
| 00:25.55 | gpm | does it say why it wants to remove the kernel? |
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| 00:26.30 | torrr | anyone knows about that gpg sig' ? I try to get source packages from unstable, and the signature |
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| 00:26.40 | torrr | is not recognized on them |
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| 00:26.51 | gpm | torrr: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 00:27.22 | torrr | gpm, I have the latest version of it, I am told when I do apt-get.. |
| 00:27.40 | quintin | it doesn't |
| 00:28.22 | gpm | quintin: tried installing something else? |
| 00:28.28 | quintin | gpm: hmm.. don't think so |
| 00:28.28 | torrr | gpm, maybe I need the unstable version of debian-archive-keyring? |
| 00:28.37 | gpm | torrr: probally |
| 00:28.41 | gpm | quintin: well, try that |
| 00:28.48 | torrr | gpm, maybe I need to port it from source too?! |
| 00:29.14 | gpm | torrr: no, just use the sid stuff...it'll ask you if you want to use untrusted stuff, just say yes, get the sources you need, and forget about it |
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| 00:29.31 | torrr | gpm |
| 00:29.37 | gpm | that's me! |
| 00:29.57 | torrr | gpm, but I believe this signatures are important |
| 00:30.10 | torrr | gpm, I don't want to risk my system... |
| 00:30.35 | gpm | torrr: where are you getting these sid sources from? if you're using an official debian mirror, you have my word that they won't break anything |
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| 00:31.03 | denver | how do i switch to a different mirror |
| 00:31.10 | torrr | gpm - unless someone would spoof them |
| 00:31.12 | Supaplex | !mirrors |
| 00:31.13 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 00:31.24 | gpm | denver: edit sources.list once you've found the mirror you want |
| 00:31.33 | denver | thank you |
| 00:32.20 | gpm | torrr: i don't know what to tell you. i guess you could try installing the sid version of debian-archive keyring (just grab the .deb file for it) and downgrade later if that doesn't work (i.e. fetch the etch/lenny .deb) |
| 00:32.42 | gpm | quintin: well, what happens when you try installing other packages |
| 00:32.50 | thingfish | hmm, no more apt-setup in etch. |
| 00:32.51 | gpm | torrr: i won't guarantee that it'll work though |
| 00:33.01 | gpm | thingfish: yeah, it was part of base-config, which was removed |
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| 00:33.14 | thingfish | ah I see, gpm, thanks for the info |
| 00:34.31 | gpm | thingfish: np. try apt-spy, i'll generate a sources.list for you |
| 00:34.31 | gpm | thingfish: you can tune that to your needs by editing the file later. |
| 00:34.49 | torrr | gpm- i downloaded source for deb...arch..keyring from unstable, and its the same version that I already have |
| 00:35.09 | thingfish | gpm: thanks |
| 00:35.17 | gpm | torrr: weird. maybe it's because the rest of the sources is for another version of debian? i don't know |
| 00:35.40 | thingfish | I edit sources.list by hand anyway, for some reason something made me think of it so I looked and it was gone. |
| 00:35.45 | torrr | I have stable etch btw |
| 00:36.01 | gpm | torrr: are all your sources in sources.list (including this sid one) official debian mirrors? |
| 00:36.56 | torrr | yes |
| 00:37.09 | torrr | and a file source |
| 00:37.16 | torrr | for freenx |
| 00:37.27 | gpm | what's a file source? |
| 00:37.49 | torrr | deb file:/home/torrr/freenxpkg/ ./ |
| 00:37.55 | gpm | oh |
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| 00:38.05 | gpm | what's your sid line look like? |
| 00:38.17 | torrr | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 00:38.27 | quintin | gpm: let me try something |
| 00:38.31 | torrr | deb-src http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/pub/mirrors/debian/ etch main |
| 00:38.45 | torrr | deb http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/pub/mirrors/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 00:38.53 | gpm | don't paste too much |
| 00:38.57 | quintin | gpm: will remove " base-config initrd-tools kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386" ?? |
| 00:39.00 | gpm | people get cranky, including me :P |
| 00:39.02 | quintin | gpm: trying ot install 'nmap' |
| 00:39.18 | gpm | quintin: what version of debian are you on? |
| 00:39.22 | torrr | gpm, that's all |
| 00:39.26 | gpm | k |
| 00:39.56 | quintin | gpm: 3.1 |
| 00:40.45 | gpm | quintin: is it going to install a different kernel? |
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| 00:41.05 | gpm | quintin: does your sources.list say 'sarge' or does it say 'stable' ? |
| 00:42.13 | gpm | torrr: and what's the error you're saying? maybe use pastebin for this one |
| 00:42.48 | torrr | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 00:42.50 | quintin | gpm: stable, I'm guessing cause I did an 'update' it wants to install etch stuff? |
| 00:42.54 | quintin | gpm: doesn't say that no |
| 00:43.30 | torrr | gpm, and this appear after the ...using DSA key ID C0143D2D |
| 00:43.31 | gpm | quintin: yeah, if you've done apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade it'll try to put you at etch |
| 00:43.40 | quintin | gpm: what about if I do 'sarge' in sources.list, then update again? |
| 00:43.44 | torrr | gpm, so it is signed just the key is not known |
| 00:43.54 | quintin | gpm: I've done upgrade, but not dist-upgrade. / only has 512m on it |
| 00:44.07 | gpm | quintin: if you haven't dist-upgrade'd since etch came out, it *might* work |
| 00:44.23 | quintin | gpm: ... might?! come on, man! |
| 00:44.36 | gpm | !tell quintin about downgrade |
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| 00:45.41 | torrr | I am trying to compile unstable package, and it gives me: |
| 00:45.44 | torrr | dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. |
| 00:46.17 | torrr | but I did dpkg-source -x dbmail_2.2.3-1.dsc |
| 00:46.20 | quintin | gpm: well, I did an "upgrade", but not a dist-upgrade .. hm |
| 00:46.30 | quintin | at any rate, this is a live system, so I'll wait til I'm onsite before I fuck with it |
| 00:46.49 | gpm | quintin: or you could just go to etch |
| 00:46.51 | gpm | :) |
| 00:46.57 | gpm | it's safe enough |
| 00:47.01 | torrr | so why weren't the dependencies resolved |
| 00:47.04 | torrr | ? |
| 00:47.12 | gpm | torrr: i dunno. this is out of my area of expertise |
| 00:47.41 | torrr | gpm - ok |
| 00:47.43 | wols_ | torrr: how did you install dependencies? |
| 00:47.49 | gpm | torrr: sorry |
| 00:47.57 | schme | torrr: Sounds like a normal sid problem. |
| 00:48.21 | wols_ | torrr: answer me please |
| 00:48.33 | torrr | wols dpkg-source -x dbmail_2.2.3-1.dsc followed http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port |
| 00:48.54 | torrr | schme, what can I do about it? |
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| 00:49.45 | wols_ | torrr: use apt-get source and apt-get build-dep |
| 00:50.03 | torrr | wols_, ah |
| 00:50.07 | alaya | where can i find a manpage about g_snprintf ? |
| 00:50.11 | wols_ | !tell torrr about simple sid backport |
| 00:50.11 | torrr | wols_, ok, trying |
| 00:50.29 | wols_ | alaya: what libary has that function? |
| 00:50.37 | alaya | wols_: i don't know |
| 00:50.48 | quintin | gpm: there's no disk space, I said that.. ;P / is 512m |
| 00:51.03 | quintin | gpm: I don't get why it doesn't schedule the new kernel install if it's removing the old though. hm |
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| 00:51.24 | wols_ | alaya: then find out |
| 00:51.30 | wols_ | alaya: or use google |
| 00:51.44 | alaya | google shows lots of code with it being used, but no reference info |
| 00:52.29 | quintin | bie |
| 00:53.26 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 00:53.40 | karsten | Haris: You presume! |
| 00:54.09 | Haris | I have mail.info, mail.warn, mail.err set in syslog.conf for qmail, are there more of mail.* that I can set? |
| 00:54.18 | Haris | karsten: Come again? |
| 00:54.33 | alaya | ahh google for g_snprintf library function returns some useful info |
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| 00:54.56 | torrr | wols_, apt-get build-dep gives me this error: E: Must specify at least one package to check builddeps for |
| 00:55.10 | wols_ | torrr: the error is self explaining |
| 00:55.43 | karsten | So, w/ swsusp, what's considered best bet: s2disk, or s2both? |
| 00:55.54 | HostilePenguin | what does NFORCE2: BIOS didn't set cable bits correctly. Enabling workaround. mean? |
| 00:56.00 | torrr | wols_, ok |
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| 00:56.44 | HostilePenguin | i tried changing ide cables |
| 00:56.49 | Haris | guys, any ideas or help? |
| 00:57.09 | wols_ | HostilePenguin: does the disk run in udma5 mode? |
| 00:57.10 | karsten | !qmail |
| 00:57.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external ... |
| 00:57.39 | wols_ | Haris: very few people if any here do qmail support |
| 00:57.44 | karsten | Haris: Sucks to be you. I'd suggest a real MTA if you have the option of installing one, otherwise find a qmail support channel. |
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| 00:58.38 | torrr | wols_, should I run debuild -us -uc, or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot like in that web page? |
| 00:59.16 | wols_ | i usually use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 00:59.24 | torrr | ok |
| 00:59.34 | HostilePenguin | says configured for udma/100 |
| 00:59.36 | Haris | karsten: I do understand your point of view. |
| 00:59.52 | Haris | I think the mail.* in /etc/syslog comes from the kernel |
| 01:00.09 | Haris | I just need to know what other options in mail.* can I set for mail in syslog |
| 01:00.15 | wols_ | Haris: I'd say you trhink wrongly |
| 01:00.16 | Haris | This is not a qmail Q, I hope |
| 01:00.24 | wols_ | kernel doesn't do mail logs |
| 01:00.27 | wols_ | Haris: it is |
| 01:00.44 | wols_ | cause all mail logs are sent from MTA. qmail in your case |
| 01:00.49 | torrr | wols_, what about that unrecognized gpg signature, do you know how to solve that? |
| 01:00.51 | Haris | so the something.* traps in syslog are like application specific? |
| 01:01.02 | wols_ | !topic smite torrr |
| 01:01.02 | rbellamy | Topic in #debian is Topic in #debian is !topic smite torrr |
| 01:01.02 | rbellamy | Topic in #debian is !topic smite torrr |
| 01:01.10 | wols_ | !topicsmite torrr |
| 01:01.11 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon torrr. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 01:01.11 | rbellamy | Topic in #debian is Topic in #debian is !topicsmite torrr |
| 01:01.11 | rbellamy | Topic in #debian is !topicsmite torrr |
| 01:01.15 | wols_ | rebo123: remove that |
| 01:01.25 | wols_ | rbellamy: diable that script |
| 01:01.34 | Haris | How do I find out what debian version is installed? |
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| 01:01.41 | Haris | uname -a isn't much help |
| 01:01.44 | wols_ | Haris: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:01.47 | torrr | huh? |
| 01:01.49 | simonrvn | !version |
| 01:01.50 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
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| 01:04.06 | stoned | hi |
| 01:04.29 | neosmatrix | ~.~ he |
| 01:04.44 | torrr | howto "checking the validity of the signatures on the key"? |
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| 01:06.11 | simonrvn | hullo |
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| 01:06.30 | stoned | whats going on simonrvn |
| 01:06.37 | simonrvn | crap |
| 01:06.39 | karsten | torrr: ?? |
| 01:06.42 | torrr | dpkg said " you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key" |
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| 01:07.08 | simonrvn | thank you. right now i'll need the whole fucking package |
| 01:07.42 | PDani | is there some kind of dns caching in linux? how can i flush it? |
| 01:07.51 | Haris | Where is /etc/xinetd.d in debian? |
| 01:08.50 | yarddog | is there a simple command to restart your gnome so that the menu will show new installed program? without logging out that is |
| 01:09.45 | nvz | yarddog: no need to restart gnome, it really doesnt have anything to do with gnome |
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| 01:10.17 | yarddog | how can i get the program to show in the menu? without logging in and out? |
| 01:10.18 | nvz | yarddog: menu entries across debian are universally managed by the "menu" package which contains a command called update-menus |
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| 01:10.40 | nhuisman_work | god, too much research on storage, i have scsi coming out of my i's |
| 01:10.41 | nvz | yarddog: its suppose to do that when you install a package containing a menu entry |
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| 01:11.06 | LoneShadow2 | what do people generaly use for encryption on debian stable ? |
| 01:11.09 | wols_ | simonrvn: too much information |
| 01:11.13 | LoneShadow2 | aes or truecrypt ? |
| 01:11.24 | wols_ | LoneShadow2: files or filesystems? |
| 01:11.41 | nvz | vagueness. |
| 01:11.42 | LoneShadow | I guess for both cases :) |
| 01:11.52 | wols_ | files: gpg |
| 01:11.56 | wols_ | !cryptfs |
| 01:12.13 | wols_ | filesystems I'd say truecrypt |
| 01:12.23 | simonrvn | wols_: yeh, and yo' momma |
| 01:12.36 | LoneShadow | couldnt find a package for truecypt using apt |
| 01:12.49 | wols_ | cause it's not in debian |
| 01:12.54 | nvz | simonrvn: sounds funny comming from you |
| 01:13.04 | torrr | E: Build-Depends dependency for evolution cannot be satisfied because the package libgtkhtml3.14-dev cannot be found |
| 01:13.12 | stoned | isn't simonrvn like 90 or something |
| 01:13.14 | stoned | ;) |
| 01:13.23 | simonrvn | 90? |
| 01:13.27 | nvz | hah.. no.. but he's canadian with a flappy head |
| 01:13.31 | simonrvn | sometimes i *feel* 90 |
| 01:13.33 | wols_ | simonrvn: dog years? |
| 01:13.33 | stoned | hahaha |
| 01:13.35 | nvz | I didn't think they said yo mamma |
| 01:13.41 | simonrvn | hey! who you calling canadian? |
| 01:13.43 | torrr | what does that mean? maybe I need that one from source too? |
| 01:13.45 | simonrvn | :P |
| 01:13.58 | stoned | hes native american |
| 01:13.58 | nvz | simonrvn: what did you move, or are you just in denial? |
| 01:14.04 | simonrvn | neither |
| 01:14.18 | nvz | I thought you lived in BC |
| 01:14.29 | wols_ | torrr: gnome programs are vey iffy to backport |
| 01:14.31 | stoned | nvz: i want some of what you been smokin |
| 01:14.36 | simonrvn | east, not west |
| 01:14.47 | simonrvn | more like QC |
| 01:14.48 | nvz | so its not considered canada? |
| 01:15.12 | wols_ | simonrvn: so you are french AND canadian? |
| 01:15.14 | nvz | yeah same difference.. I'm an ignorant american |
| 01:15.21 | nvz | wols_: hah, double whammy |
| 01:15.29 | simonrvn | wols_: neither. i'm Mi'kmaq |
| 01:15.36 | stoned | I told ya |
| 01:15.44 | nvz | !yinzersmite me |
| 01:15.44 | stoned | I'm a real indian, hes just indian by name ;) |
| 01:15.45 | wols_ | simonrvn: merkins don't know what that is. you are french by decree |
| 01:15.47 | simonrvn | i just happen to know french |
| 01:15.51 | LoneShadow | wols_: knoppix uses some aes tools to create a disk image to store /home files in it as encrypted, is there something simillar tool/script for debian. I think knoppix also auto mounts it. |
| 01:15.57 | torrr | wols_, so what are you saying? chance it will not work? |
| 01:16.01 | simonrvn | what stoned said :) |
| 01:16.02 | nvz | simonrvn: I just happen to know pittsburghese |
| 01:16.09 | wols_ | torrr: I say it will be hard to pull off |
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| 01:16.48 | stoned | nvz: wow I am cursed with Urdu, Hindi, Punjabi, English, Sanskrit, Arabic, and some local pakistani dialects |
| 01:16.49 | wols_ | LoneShadow: debian doesn't automount by default |
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| 01:17.17 | stoned | i know how to say "you know where i can get some pot?" in spanish :) |
| 01:17.21 | torrr | wols_, ok |
| 01:17.36 | simonrvn | stoned: nice. the more the merrier, IMO |
| 01:17.45 | stoned | almost 4 months been sober man |
| 01:17.47 | stoned | I'm lovin it |
| 01:17.50 | nvz | stoned: hmm you could probably get some interesting jobs with that ability.. too bad you'd probably have to work for uncle sam, and who the hell wants to do that |
| 01:17.53 | simonrvn | i'm starting to know more of mine |
| 01:18.00 | wols_ | stoned: congrats |
| 01:18.09 | stoned | thank you kind sir |
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| 01:18.16 | nvz | stoned: either that or you could work CS for my phone company, they barely speak english |
| 01:18.23 | stoned | lol |
| 01:18.29 | stoned | I'm trying to get with IBM or HP |
| 01:18.43 | stoned | or maybe some .NET coding for some banks or something |
| 01:18.48 | stoned | whatever pays man, I need money these days |
| 01:19.25 | torrr | wols_, is there a way to see who depends on libgtkhtml? |
| 01:19.25 | stoned | apt-cache depends |
| 01:19.25 | torrr | (like all packages that I use that use it too?) |
| 01:19.25 | wols_ | torrr: apt-rdepends |
| 01:19.26 | stoned | im not sure what hes asking about |
| 01:19.26 | nvz | stoned: you got any organs? the black market pays well for kidneys I hear |
| 01:19.29 | wols_ | that is done with apt-cache search |
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| 01:19.37 | stoned | nvz: let me guess, you just recently watched Touristas? |
| 01:19.38 | stoned | ;) |
| 01:19.44 | wols_ | nvz: a indian gets about a bike for it |
| 01:19.49 | wols_ | I don't call this well paid |
| 01:19.55 | stoned | wols_: "an indian" |
| 01:19.59 | stoned | i == vowel |
| 01:20.09 | wols_ | stoned: I'm a foruhnre. I'm allowed |
| 01:20.18 | stoned | word |
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| 01:20.28 | nvz | stoned: na I've only been watching Monk, House, and Numb3rs lately |
| 01:20.35 | wols_ | plus as everyone knows. I have a serious spelling disability :P |
| 01:21.02 | Haris | so debian 3.1 uses inetd.conf in place of xinetd.d/ ? Isn't xinetd.d some upgrade to the original inetd? |
| 01:21.08 | stoned | nvz: don't watch it, it sucked. wols_ I have a word a day calendar |
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| 01:21.26 | nvz | online of course I can't stand tv.. they broadcast subliminal messages. I run I wear a tin foil hat and special goggles even when I watch it on the computer |
| 01:21.29 | wols | speaking of kidneys. time for dialysis |
| 01:21.30 | [Thom] | Is a /tmp partition the same as "swap" ? |
| 01:21.38 | stoned | [Thom]: no |
| 01:22.04 | wols | hardlined: xinetd is simply differemnt. xinetd is in debian too |
| 01:22.15 | stoned | swap are the contents of RAM written to disk for paging/using hdd as ram. /tmp == just temp files created by system and you and all that jazz |
| 01:22.42 | torrr | wols, threre are many packages that depends on that libgtkhtml3.8-15 that I havae |
| 01:22.55 | nvz | stoned: my /tmp files have more of a folk and blues influence than jazz |
| 01:23.01 | stoned | lol |
| 01:23.18 | torrr | if I install libgtkhtml3.14 would it uninstall the 3.8-15 version? |
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| 01:23.31 | wols | torrr: yes |
| 01:23.33 | nvz | torrr: see the package info? |
| 01:23.52 | nvz | generally speaking if they have the same package name then yes |
| 01:23.57 | [Thom] | stoned: Then how do you map a partition to swap? |
| 01:24.05 | torrr | nvz, ah |
| 01:24.05 | wols | torrr: but the other programs will still work |
| 01:24.09 | [Thom] | Is it /srv? |
| 01:24.20 | nvz | [Thom]: you just call it swap |
| 01:24.22 | torrr | wols, so where would be the problem? |
| 01:24.22 | wols | [Thom]: swap is not in the filesystem at all |
| 01:24.27 | wols | you can't cd into it |
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| 01:24.33 | stoned | [Thom]: just make a partion, partition type 82 i beliee for linux swap, and mkswap and swapon |
| 01:24.37 | stoned | er.. wtf |
| 01:24.46 | stoned | I think i pushed ctrl by accident |
| 01:24.50 | wols | torrr: your libgtkhtml version is currently too low |
| 01:24.53 | [Thom] | stoned: How do I specify how large that is? |
| 01:25.02 | stoned | [Thom]: in your partition mananger |
| 01:25.07 | wols | themolester: you do when you make the partition |
| 01:25.09 | stoned | cfdisk, fdisk, parted, etc. etc. |
| 01:25.21 | torrr | wols, I have etch, that what it gives |
| 01:25.23 | wols | or you can use a dd to create an empty file and do the same |
| 01:25.33 | torrr | wols, that is why I need to backport |
| 01:25.36 | wols | torrr: yes but your evolutioen you want to compile needs a higher one |
| 01:25.39 | stoned | which is what I do |
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| 01:25.46 | torrr | wols, right |
| 01:25.50 | stoned | I use dd to make a simple 512mb file and make it into swap |
| 01:26.00 | torrr | wols, so I can backport the newer libgtkhtml |
| 01:26.11 | wols | torrr: hopefully yes |
| 01:26.21 | torrr | wols, ok, lets see |
| 01:26.37 | stoned | I use tons of desktop apps simult. but even witn only 1gb ram, I've neve even used my swap EVER |
| 01:26.41 | nvz | hmm kernel.org must still be having problems I think this dist-upgrade would go smoother if I stopped it and changed mirrors |
| 01:26.56 | torrr | wols, any disaster looms if I install the backported lib? |
| 01:27.00 | [Thom] | stoned: So what do I choose as the "mount point" for swap? |
| 01:27.01 | stoned | I use osuosl mirror |
| 01:27.05 | stoned | for me it is the fastest |
| 01:27.11 | stoned | [Thom]: you don't |
| 01:27.19 | nvz | isn't there some ftp.debian mirror? is it a rotation server? |
| 01:27.20 | wols | torrr: most probaly not but no one will give guarantees. it's software from sid |
| 01:27.24 | stoned | [Thom]: man swapon |
| 01:27.29 | justin | stoned: /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 01:27.30 | wols | nvz: most all of them are |
| 01:27.33 | nvz | ah |
| 01:27.35 | wols | de.debian.org is for example |
| 01:27.44 | stoned | [Thom]: google for how to make/use swap partitions |
| 01:27.46 | stoned | justin: eh? |
| 01:28.02 | nvz | stoned: whats the ftp/us/debian mirror url? |
| 01:28.07 | wols | justin: Id say hes happy with his swappniess the way it is |
| 01:28.07 | justin | lol |
| 01:28.09 | justin | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:28.12 | Haris | poppassd stream tcp nowait/1000 root /usr/sbin/tcpd /opt/psa/admin/bin/poppassd <- this is from /etc/inetd.conf. What does nowait/1000 or nowait.1000 mean there? Does it mean, allow 1000 sessions concurrently? |
| 01:28.12 | wols | !mirrors |
| 01:28.12 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 01:28.13 | nvz | ah |
| 01:28.14 | stoned | umm.. what justin said |
| 01:28.28 | stoned | i should find some nyc mirrors |
| 01:28.34 | Haris | ..and does debian support iptables? |
| 01:28.42 | justin | stoned: try mit |
| 01:28.44 | stoned | might be faster for me, however I max out my 10mbps down on just osuosl |
| 01:28.54 | stoned | 1.0~ish MB/s |
| 01:29.15 | stoned | cool mit word |
| 01:29.16 | Haris | I need to rebuild my transparent proxy box and I want to try out a new OS |
| 01:29.22 | justin | mit has some mirrors that easily push 4MB/s over I2.. I use them to update my local mirror |
| 01:29.28 | Haris | I need iptables-devel on it |
| 01:29.37 | stoned | justin: what do you for a living? |
| 01:29.42 | justin | networking |
| 01:29.49 | stoned | how large? |
| 01:30.13 | stoned | 1000 nodes? 5000? 10k? |
| 01:30.14 | justin | bigger than a breadbox ;) |
| 01:30.22 | justin | nodes as in what, computers or networking devices? |
| 01:30.33 | stoned | all net devices |
| 01:30.33 | nvz | much better I am averaging like 460kb/s from ftp.debian.org as opposed to like 60kb/s from mirrors.kernel.org |
| 01:30.34 | [Thom] | stoned: Ok, I see how to set up a swap partition now, thanks. |
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| 01:30.43 | stoned | [Thom]: welcome |
| 01:30.46 | [Thom] | "swap area" in Ubuntu |
| 01:31.40 | livingtm | what would cause drives that were /dev/sdaX to show up as /dev/hdaX after a kernel update? |
| 01:31.41 | justin | stoned: 10k |
| 01:31.41 | wols | [Thom]: running ubuntu asn asking debian maks baby jesus cry |
| 01:31.41 | wols | !topicsmite [Thom] |
| 01:31.41 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon [Thom]. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 01:31.41 | rbellamy | Topic in #debian is Topic in #debian is !topicsmite [Thom] |
| 01:31.41 | rbellamy | Topic in #debian is !topicsmite [Thom] |
| 01:31.41 | stoned | when I was 19 I was working for Infologix Software Co. and administed 400 devices |
| 01:31.41 | torrr | wols, I see |
| 01:31.41 | stoned | thats the largest ever |
| 01:31.41 | wols | rbellamy: stop that fucking script |
| 01:31.42 | stoned | 10k very neat justin |
| 01:31.46 | stoned | justin: you must be a guru |
| 01:32.01 | [Thom] | Stoned: Should I choose that even if I'm using a RAID1 setup with my two drives? |
| 01:32.12 | justin | things get easy once you write lots of programs to do the work for you |
| 01:32.12 | nvz | that shaved like an hour off the d/l time anyhow |
| 01:32.19 | wols | [Thom]: you should ask #ubuntu foremost |
| 01:32.37 | stoned | [Thom]: well I admin'd only windows boxes and two redhat 6.2 servers at the time |
| 01:32.47 | stoned | er.. not [Thom] |
| 01:32.54 | stoned | they paid for my MCSE too |
| 01:32.59 | stoned | which was useless |
| 01:33.05 | [Thom] | wols: yeah, I'm tryin' to ask in there too. |
| 01:33.13 | wols | stoned: surprise, surprise |
| 01:33.15 | nvz | stoned: vendor certs usually are |
| 01:33.16 | stoned | [Thom]: are you using ubuntu? |
| 01:33.20 | wols | !tell [Thom] about ubuntu |
| 01:33.28 | [Thom] | yes |
| 01:33.40 | nvz | stoned: did you get RH certs too? :P |
| 01:33.41 | torrr | wols, now in order to build it I need a better intltool and libgtk2.0-dev |
| 01:33.46 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.49 | stoned | [Thom]: please direct your questions to #ubuntu |
| 01:33.51 | stoned | nvz: nope |
| 01:34.00 | [Thom] | ok ok, I get it |
| 01:34.00 | wols | torrr: gnome dependencies never stop :( |
| 01:34.00 | stoned | nvz: A+, net+, mcse in nt4 |
| 01:34.01 | Haris | People! .. am I being ignored? |
| 01:34.05 | [Thom] | Thanks for the help before... |
| 01:34.12 | stoned | old back in 1999 when I did the certs |
| 01:34.14 | torrr | wols :( |
| 01:34.16 | nvz | Haris: partially |
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| 01:34.24 | wols | Haris: there is no iptables-devel. debian has -dev packages. this is no rh distro |
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| 01:35.16 | stoned | nvz: Enemy Mine |
| 01:35.49 | squidly | anyone have a trac install that is working? |
| 01:35.54 | nvz | stoned: just push someone in front of you? :P |
| 01:36.05 | stoned | nvz: you've seen it? |
| 01:36.07 | Haris | wols: I am not biased. I'm new to debian and gathering basic info as I go along using it |
| 01:36.16 | nvz | stoned: no, I thought we were talking mine fields |
| 01:36.31 | nvz | stoned: one place it doesn't pay to be a leader |
| 01:36.38 | Haris | wols: The Q was, does debian support iptables and its dev package |
| 01:36.40 | wols | squidly: ask your real question |
| 01:36.41 | nhuisman_work | has anyone ever booted offf a multipathed device? |
| 01:36.45 | Haris | I need it for the l7-filter.sf.net |
| 01:36.50 | wols | Haris: it is linux. of course it does |
| 01:36.54 | Haris | to block p2p traffic |
| 01:36.56 | squidly | I have one installed and I have followed the info on the trac websit bit I keep getting the error "TypeError: int() argument must be a string or a number" |
| 01:37.01 | purplepenguins | iptables is very easy to set up, and it's in etch |
| 01:37.02 | squidly | does any one know hot to fix it? |
| 01:37.04 | stoned | I saw it one time when I was 10, on hbo. never knew its name, or anything else. I just saw a clip on youtube somewhere I think, and its freaking awesome that I finally learned the movie's title. I'm downloading it now. Its a great great oldschool scifi movie... look it up man and watch it.. you will love it |
| 01:37.05 | smacnay | Is the lightning extension for icedove just to be downloaded off the web? |
| 01:37.10 | wols | GenghisZ: for l7 you need to compile a kernel. it does work. used it before |
| 01:37.16 | Haris | Great! |
| 01:37.17 | squidly | wols: I was typing that up sorry.. dog got to my keyboard |
| 01:37.21 | stoned | nhuisman_work: multipathed? |
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| 01:37.35 | nhuisman_work | yeah multipath-tools |
| 01:37.35 | Haris | What's the latest stable version I should download for my local servers directly connected to the net? |
| 01:37.45 | stoned | !etch |
| 01:37.46 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 01:38.08 | Haris | Ok. How long are release cycles for debian? |
| 01:38.14 | stoned | no one knows |
| 01:38.20 | Haris | Usually, that is |
| 01:38.21 | stoned | when the next one is ready it comes out |
| 01:38.24 | stoned | there is no usually |
| 01:38.33 | Haris | No average pattern of time? |
| 01:38.34 | squidly | i've got the full error when i try to access the trac webpage, http://pastebin.ca/526891. It's the same error with tracd or apache |
| 01:38.38 | stoned | Haris: nope |
| 01:38.46 | wols | !tell Haris about WIR |
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| 01:39.01 | wols | well. it mostly falls in 2-3 year range |
| 01:39.13 | Haris | Ok, how long is the old one supported? I'm asking tihs because I don't want to have to rebuild a box every few weeks. I hope you understand what I mean here |
| 01:39.18 | stoned | oh man waitin on sarge to go stable was the killer |
| 01:39.24 | wols | Haris: one year after the new comes out |
| 01:39.24 | stoned | 2.5~ish years |
| 01:39.36 | stoned | wols: 18 months |
| 01:39.45 | Haris | Great! so, the old one is at least supported later |
| 01:39.50 | wols | stoned: one year. 12 |
| 01:39.56 | stoned | wols: really? |
| 01:40.00 | wols | really |
| 01:40.12 | stoned | wols: I would like to see this in documentation somewhere pleas |
| 01:42.41 | wols | stoned: eg. woody stopped in july/june 2006. do the math |
| 01:42.42 | stoned | wols: afaik oldstable is supported for 18 months |
| 01:42.42 | wols | !oldstable |
| 01:42.42 | dpkg | i guess oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian GNU/Linux, currently Sarge (3.1). Previously, Woody. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:42.42 | wols | stoned: all I remmeber from when stew answered the question |
| 01:42.43 | stoned | wols: yeh me too, I think don answered mine |
| 01:42.43 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:42.43 | squidly | anyone have any ideas where I could look for the fix? |
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| 01:42.45 | stoned | pastebin is slow as balls |
| 01:42.45 | squidly | stoned: yea i know sorry :( |
| 01:42.45 | stoned | great time out |
| 01:42.51 | stoned | well boys and girls, its been fun.. I got work early in the morning.. I'm going to bed. PEACE! |
| 01:42.59 | stoned | *out* |
| 01:43.04 | squidly | later stoned |
| 01:43.41 | nhuisman_work | anyone know if the multipath-tools in debian do load balancing? or just failover? |
| 01:43.45 | Haris | Ok, here maybe a tough one. I'v seen still! use fbsd 4.x versions and get the job done. Maybe ports helps alot there. What is a major factor in making one upgrade or install a new version of debian? On rh fedora I know one thing, when programs need new libs that I can't get installed safely without upgrading to a new OS, I install a new version of the OS |
| 01:43.50 | Haris | here's+ |
| 01:44.00 | Haris | people still! use.. |
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| 01:44.28 | nhuisman_work | if it's in the stable tree you can simply install it |
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| 01:44.35 | nhuisman_work | and it will update the dependencies |
| 01:44.44 | wols | Haris: you can either backport or upgrade |
| 01:44.57 | Haris | backport? |
| 01:45.04 | wols | !backport |
| 01:45.04 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get specific ... |
| 01:45.30 | wols | as in backport from a newer debian branch |
| 01:45.36 | Haris | That's good |
| 01:46.16 | wols | depends. there is rarely a good reason to run oldstabl for long |
| 01:46.17 | wols | and backports can bring you in a dependency hell or can have bugs |
| 01:46.17 | Wyzard | Haris: Debian releases occur every 18-24 months roughly, so upgrading isn't a task you face frequently, and they're pretty well-tested before they're released |
| 01:46.33 | Haris | wols: Here is where I think the apt-get comes in |
| 01:46.35 | Wyzard | Haris: so upgrading is generally the recommended thing to do, unless you have some specific need for the old versions |
| 01:49.19 | bangers | I just installed Etchh |
| 01:49.19 | bangers | and trying to 'apt-get install ssh' but its trying to read from CDROM |
| 01:49.20 | bangers | how do I tell it to go straight to the net for packages |
| 01:49.20 | Haris | Wyzard: 2 years is a good enough time for local servers |
| 01:49.20 | Wyzard | bangers: Commment out the cdrom line in /etc/apt/sources.list, make sure you have an HTTP source, and do "apt-get update" |
| 01:49.21 | Haris | comming back to my old Q, hehe |
| 01:49.21 | wols | !tell bangers about sources.list |
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| 01:49.22 | Haris | -> poppassd stream tcp nowait/1000 root /usr/sbin/tcpd /opt/psa/admin/bin/poppassd <- this is from /etc/inetd.conf. What does nowait/1000 or nowait.1000 mean there? Does it mean, allow 1000 sessions concurrently? |
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| 01:49.44 | simonrvn | hm, can't remember now, i thought that meant wait 1 sec |
| 01:49.45 | simonrvn | Wyzard: none ;) |
| 01:49.57 | wols | Haris: man inetd.conf |
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| 01:49.59 | Haris | Wyzard: That's plesk |
| 01:50.04 | Haris | but that's not waht I'm asking |
| 01:50.17 | bangers | Wyzard thanks |
| 01:50.19 | wols | Haris: and I answered you |
| 01:50.24 | Haris | its a general inetd service configured. I need to know what the inetd parameter means |
| 01:50.26 | Haris | wols: Thanks! |
| 01:50.38 | Wyzard | Isn't Plesk one of the avatars in Quake 3? ;-) |
| 01:51.32 | Haris | quake 3 is too fast for my eyes |
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| 01:51.54 | Haris | ..and I thought you guys would be playing Q4 by now. Isn't it out yet? |
| 01:52.09 | Wyzard | of course |
| 01:52.31 | Wyzard | but there's no Plesk in Q4 :-) |
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| 01:53.06 | Haris | I still haven't gotton my hands on q4. Been a long time since I plaed it |
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| 01:53.11 | Haris | played+ |
| 01:53.24 | Wyzard | It's $10 on newegg |
| 01:53.25 | torrr | wols, btw, dpkg didn't help me with my key problem. It say add the key after you check it, but how do I check it? and there are lots of keys for lots of packgs |
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| 01:54.09 | LoBoGoL | what's sunrpc in port 111 ? |
| 01:54.11 | wols | torrr: there are only keys for repositories |
| 01:54.17 | wols | LoBoGoL: portmapper |
| 01:54.26 | wols | LoBoGoL: needed for nfs, nis, etc |
| 01:55.18 | LoBoGoL | wols, thanks... |
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| 01:55.30 | dondelelcaro | torrr: and the way you verify it is that you find a DD or someone who is connected to a DD; verify their GPG key and their indentiy and establish a chain of trust to the archive key |
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| 01:56.02 | dondelelcaro | torrr: alternatively, you can ask someone who has a chain of trust to the archive key whose judgement you trust to tell you what the fingerprint of a checked archive key is |
| 01:58.35 | DavidProck1981 | any one know of a program or plug in to something that will let me play music backword? |
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| 01:59.19 | wols | DavidProck1981: satanist! |
| 01:59.27 | DavidProck1981 | no |
| 01:59.38 | wols | I read it in the bible so it must be true |
| 01:59.47 | edju | I assume that it's OK to tell rkhunter to qut sending mail re warnings of hidden dirs /etc/.java, /dev/.static, /dev/udev, /dev/.initramfs? |
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| 01:59.49 | wols | or some other fairy tale book like the bible |
| 02:00.03 | wols | edju: yes |
| 02:00.08 | DavidProck1981 | check this out http://youtube.com/watch?v=E2ZFZT-ElyM |
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| 02:04.00 | DavidProck1981 | wols ? |
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| 02:04.51 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 02:06.21 | LoBoGoL | what best raid software for Debian each ? |
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| 02:06.27 | jccf | i ned help |
| 02:06.51 | beap | !raid |
| 02:06.52 | dpkg | i heard raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 02:07.02 | jccf | i have a problem |
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| 02:07.48 | rking | shouldn't `file core` say what file produced it? I thought it used to do that |
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| 02:08.13 | wols | !tell jccf about ask |
| 02:08.19 | wols | rking: no |
| 02:08.32 | wols | file only spits out filetype |
| 02:08.33 | rking | wols: i used to have some standard way of finding out what file produced the core dump |
| 02:08.47 | wols | less core |
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| 02:08.49 | wols | try that |
| 02:09.03 | DavidProck1981 | im back |
| 02:09.03 | jccf | i have a problem with airport extreme on ibook g4 ppc don't work |
| 02:09.30 | Guerin | i thought airport extreme were known not to work? |
| 02:09.36 | cafuego | they work fine |
| 02:09.41 | cafuego | Just grab the firmware. |
| 02:09.42 | wols | !tell jccf about doesn't work |
| 02:09.45 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 02:09.47 | jccf | yea, but not in debian |
| 02:09.58 | rking | vols: i'm sure that's not how i used to do it. |
| 02:10.00 | Guerin | jccf: if they work in any linux, they work in debian |
| 02:10.04 | cafuego | jccf: Also in debian, you just need the firmware. |
| 02:10.12 | wols | rking: I am sure too, but it might be a solution |
| 02:10.28 | cafuego | jccf: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/pool/feisty-cafuego/bcm43xx/bcm43xx-firmware_1.3-1ubuntu2_all.deb |
| 02:10.38 | rking | wols: you're right. it's just bugging me that i can't remember. |
| 02:10.45 | cafuego | jccf: Install, rmmod bcm43xx, modprobe bcm43xx; voila. |
| 02:10.52 | DavidProck1981 | any one know of a program or plug in to something that will let me play music backword? |
| 02:11.05 | Ronin | DavidProck1981: ok i have to ask, what on earth for? |
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| 02:11.37 | DavidProck1981 | cause i forund a few songs that was and its interesting |
| 02:11.38 | jccf | oo yea i try with this firmwire and i cant :( |
| 02:11.42 | rking | ha! yes, i'm right - i just ran `file core` on a testing/unstable linux box, and it says, "from 'x'", while my lenny/sid box doesn't have that info |
| 02:11.48 | jccf | no detect my airport |
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| 02:12.35 | nvz | does portmapper being bound to localhost effect connections to services or merely make it harder to find them? |
| 02:13.25 | wols | what connections to what services? |
| 02:13.33 | mosty | i'm trying to import evolution's cached mail files into courier, it works ok except courier seems to only recognise the date of the email, not the time. anyone know how courier finds the time of an email? (all occurrences of the date in the file have the time with them) |
| 02:13.40 | wols | rking: file a bug report then |
| 02:14.15 | rking | wols: i might - i'm getting down to the bottom of it - maybe it's just a difference in the 'magic' file, or the exe itself. |
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| 02:15.31 | nvz | mosty: what exactly are you seeing in the header? |
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| 02:15.40 | nvz | ..out of curiousity |
| 02:16.08 | nvz | I've been noticing some really poorly coded mail systems lately with weird timestamp issues |
| 02:16.35 | mosty | nvz: hang on, i will pastebin the top of an example (just need to anonymise it) |
| 02:16.46 | nvz | heh well I was just asking about the time part |
| 02:16.54 | nvz | is it missing altogether |
| 02:17.17 | nvz | like whats the difference between the header you see in evolution |
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| 02:17.44 | mosty | nvz, no it's in there. i'm trying to find the difference between evolution's format, and the format that courier-imap expects |
| 02:18.13 | scruffy | can anyone suggest a viable option to replace spamassassin? mine is on crack, and I don't think I'll see an update for it until 2020 |
| 02:18.34 | nvz | mosty: what are you running to import these files? |
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| 02:18.57 | nvz | scruffy: heh |
| 02:19.11 | nvz | 2020 is /only/ like 13 years away |
| 02:19.22 | nvz | thats only like 4 debian releases.. heh |
| 02:19.25 | scruffy | nvz: that's 3 days in stable time! |
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| 02:19.28 | nvz | hah |
| 02:19.33 | nvz | my point exactly |
| 02:20.12 | mosty | nvz, i'm scp'ing them into courier's maildir structure |
| 02:20.37 | mosty | nvz, since i only have evolution's cache of the original files :( |
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| 02:21.49 | [hugo] | hello all, I need some help... understanding repos... I installed etch, how do I know wich repos to use? |
| 02:21.50 | [hugo] | WHat is "sid" |
| 02:21.51 | [hugo] | ? |
| 02:21.56 | mosty | nvz, http://pastebin.ca/526952 |
| 02:22.20 | mosty | [hugo], sid is unstable |
| 02:22.20 | [hugo] | ok... |
| 02:22.25 | [hugo] | for etch, or for any release? |
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| 02:22.42 | mosty | [hugo], sid is perpetually unstable. etch is the current stable |
| 02:23.06 | [hugo] | ah... |
| 02:23.13 | [hugo] | got it |
| 02:23.19 | metrix | I just installed a new motherboard into my server, and I am getting the error apm: Bios not found... how do i let Debian know that I am using acpi instead of apm? |
| 02:23.52 | [hugo] | one last question :) |
| 02:23.53 | [hugo] | where is a good place to find good sid repos? |
| 02:24.05 | mosty | [hugo], ftp.debian.org |
| 02:24.23 | mosty | [hugo], new users should not use unstable |
| 02:24.38 | [hugo] | but I want enlightenment!! |
| 02:25.07 | [hugo] | thanks mosty |
| 02:25.09 | mosty | enlightenment is in etch, i believe |
| 02:26.52 | nvz | mosty: so you are just dropping emails into the dir then |
| 02:27.21 | Guerin | metrix: is it an error, or a warning? |
| 02:27.28 | mosty | nvz, yes |
| 02:28.01 | nvz | mosty: and as I understand courier is a server, so where are you seeing this time missing in evolution using courier? |
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| 02:28.50 | nvz | cause if you are "copying" the email with time in the header to a mail server I am not understanding where exactly the time goes missing |
| 02:29.18 | mosty | nvz, i scp the file into the maildir's inbox's new dir. then i go to the inbox, and the new email says "Oct 05 2006" in the date column, whereas other mail shows the time there also |
| 02:29.56 | mosty | nvz, i have figured out that line 15 of my paste is the line that courier takes the time from |
| 02:29.57 | metrix | Guerin: it is a warning |
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| 02:30.46 | nvz | mosty: yeah thats pretty obvious I guess |
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| 02:31.30 | mosty | nvz, well i wasn't sure, the date appears several times in the header |
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| 02:32.20 | Guerin | !warnings |
| 02:32.21 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 02:32.25 | Guerin | metrix: ↑ |
| 02:32.26 | metrix | Guerin: any ideas? |
| 02:32.29 | Guerin | metrix: ignore it |
| 02:32.33 | metrix | ahh ok |
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| 02:33.07 | nvz | mosty: date col in what? |
| 02:33.30 | mosty | nvz, date col in evolution |
| 02:33.44 | nvz | mosty: are you sure this isnt an evolution problem? |
| 02:34.04 | mosty | nvz, i just noticed that when i copy an existing mail file into the inbox's new dir, evolution shows it without the time also. so maybe it's just a quirk of evolution :/ |
| 02:34.05 | metrix | the one problem is the message comes up when I try to load X also. I have done a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg so it would recognize my newer card but I think it is still looking for that bios |
| 02:34.30 | metrix | and that is why it is failing |
| 02:35.13 | nvz | mosty: what I am saying is have you tried a different client? |
| 02:35.43 | mosty | nvz, i would try icedove but it's currently broken in sid |
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| 02:38.04 | karsten | How much delay does encryption add to suspend/resume via uswsusp? |
| 02:38.18 | nvz | mosty: well from what I gather imap does a lot more than pop3 but I'm not sure if it manipulates the time/date at all could be a problem in the way that client handles the protocol |
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| 02:40.20 | mosty | nvz, ahh screw it, the date is good enough. certainly better than having ~1500 mails all marked as being received on the same day within 3 minutes of each other, as it is now |
| 02:41.04 | nvz | heh |
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| 02:42.01 | mosty | note to self: never allow anyone to migrate your mail to exchange ever again |
| 02:43.26 | karsten | Heh. |
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| 02:43.52 | karsten | mosty: I pop mine off an exchange server here at work. |
| 02:44.44 | Haris | So do I |
| 02:45.14 | mosty | i was happily imap'ing from courier, then someone decided we need fancy shmancy exchange features :( |
| 02:45.38 | mosty | the problem is in moving my past few years worth of email from courier to exchange |
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| 02:47.07 | lymeca | How can you organize the output of top by how much RAM a process is taking? |
| 02:47.10 | nhuisman_work | anyone ever seen a product called open e? |
| 02:47.15 | mosty | lymeca, M |
| 02:47.16 | Guerin | mosty: should be trivial using any mail client |
| 02:48.27 | mosty | guerin, yes well the same braniac who masterminded the migration just used exchanges pop3 connector to do it, leaving me with 2 years worth of mail all marked as unread and received last night within 3 minutes of each other |
| 02:49.00 | nvz | Guerin: he was manually scp'ing his mail into a maildir instead of using the client I gathered |
| 02:49.33 | mosty | i don't have the original source of my email- all i have left now is evolution's cache |
| 02:49.43 | nvz | Guerin: now he can't figure out why the client see's it differently |
| 02:50.20 | mosty | anyway, i am happy enough at least having the correct date for this mail, even if the time is absent |
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| 02:51.45 | Guerin | mosty: why has he not been fired? |
| 02:52.48 | nvz | if you work and get some kind of result within a reasonable timeframe and are good at talking shit you can keep a job you don't have to actually have good ideas or anything like that |
| 02:53.09 | Guerin | thank you, captain obvious |
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| 02:53.35 | nvz | yeah, well you asked |
| 02:54.08 | Guerin | as far as I'm concerned losimg email metadata is almost as bad as losing the mail itself |
| 02:54.33 | Guerin | it completely obviates any sort of paper-trail which might be required in the future |
| 02:54.36 | mosty | Guerin, because he is a major shareholder |
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| 02:54.51 | Guerin | and doing so while destroying the original source - unforgiveable |
| 02:54.59 | Guerin | mosty: ah, fucking typical |
| 02:55.07 | nvz | heh |
| 02:55.08 | mosty | actually, my fix isn't good enough. evolution shows the correct date in the date column, but it doesn't sort by that same column :( |
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| 03:03.21 | nvz | isn't there a package in etch I can install that has the apt-key's ? |
| 03:04.06 | brandon_ | Startup Programs isn't saving it's settings if I remove stuff |
| 03:04.35 | nvz | brandon_: what? |
| 03:04.36 | liable | nvz: debian-archive-keyring |
| 03:04.56 | nvz | ah I installed the damn developer keyring by accident I was wondering why it was so big |
| 03:05.01 | brandon_ | nvz: if i go to sessions and edit startup programs they always revert |
| 03:05.11 | nvz | brandon_: in gnome-session? |
| 03:05.15 | brandon_ | yeah |
| 03:05.18 | nvz | oh |
| 03:05.26 | nvz | well some context never hurts |
| 03:05.35 | nvz | its not like we can read your mind |
| 03:06.04 | nvz | or can we.. heh |
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| 03:06.07 | brandon_ | :D |
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| 03:07.05 | brandon_ | nvz: what is gnome-osd-event-bridge |
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| 03:07.34 | nvz | hmm I have the debian-archive-keyring installed the dist-upgrade must have done it, but I am still getting a no verification warning when installing iceweasel |
| 03:08.04 | [waqjan] | nvz: I have verification issues if apt-get update borks |
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| 03:09.12 | nvz | waqjan: doh.. thats it.. |
| 03:09.21 | nvz | I haven't apt-get update since it installed |
| 03:09.31 | waqjan | I solved your problem? hooray! |
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| 03:09.40 | nvz | it should schedule that when it installs |
| 03:09.55 | nvz | or at least tell you incase you dont realize it |
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| 03:10.27 | nvz | I guess I should update |
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| 03:10.37 | waqjan | in cron.something, I saw a script that looked for apt directives that would do that automatically |
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| 03:13.27 | nitro4ce | is the blue one a gnome theme? http://glade.gnome.org/graphics/devhelp.png |
| 03:14.18 | brandon_ | can I disable vino-session? |
| 03:14.54 | caravel | chop1: still around ? |
| 03:15.40 | Wyzard | nitro4ce: That's Bluecurve, Redhat's theme |
| 03:16.44 | Wyzard | or at least, it's been their theme in the past... dunno if they still use it |
| 03:17.20 | nitro4ce | Wyzard: great. thanks a lot. |
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| 03:17.52 | ozatomic | ./unrar: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./unrar) |
| 03:17.59 | ozatomic | what would fix/stop this from happaning? |
| 03:18.33 | Wyzard | ozatomic: Where did your installed copy of unrar come from? |
| 03:19.03 | ozatomic | rarlab site |
| 03:19.23 | Wyzard | Use the packaged version |
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| 03:19.31 | purplepenguins | apt-get install unrar |
| 03:19.35 | ozatomic | not found |
| 03:19.41 | Wyzard | The one you downloaded is compiled for a newer version of libc than your system has |
| 03:19.48 | Wyzard | It's in non-free |
| 03:19.54 | ozatomic | arh |
| 03:20.08 | purplepenguins | it's in non-free, make sure you have non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:20.15 | purplepenguins | silly rar |
| 03:20.17 | ozatomic | deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free is that right? |
| 03:20.22 | Wyzard | yes |
| 03:20.34 | Wyzard | You should probably add contrib there too, though it's not necessary in this particular case |
| 03:23.09 | ozatomic | server1:/home/wow/rar# unrar |
| 03:23.09 | ozatomic | -bash: /usr/local/bin/unrar: No such file or directory |
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| 03:23.39 | Wyzard | Why are you trying to run /usr/local/bin/unrar? |
| 03:23.49 | ozatomic | i just ran unrar |
| 03:23.53 | Wyzard | The unrar package gives you /usr/bin/unrar |
| 03:23.54 | ozatomic | and it tried to run that |
| 03:24.32 | ozatomic | ok i just ran from the command u gave me |
| 03:24.33 | Wyzard | Is there an unrar in /usr/local/bin? |
| 03:24.34 | ozatomic | working now |
| 03:24.52 | karsten | Where do you set things like "suspend to disk if battery life remaining is < 4%" and such? |
| 03:25.11 | Wyzard | You shouldn't need to type out the full /usr/bin/unrar -- just "unrar" should be finding the one in /usr/bin |
| 03:25.15 | karsten | Laptop, obviously. |
| 03:25.41 | Wyzard | If it's trying /usr/local/bin/unrar, that probably means you have something called "unrar" in /usr/local/bin, probably the non-working one that you downloaded |
| 03:26.09 | Guerin | karsten: install powersaved and edit the fiels in /etc/powersave |
| 03:26.38 | Guerin | karsten: it may take a bit of tweakery based on your system |
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| 03:26.43 | karsten | Guerin: Compatible with laptop-mode? |
| 03:26.53 | Guerin | karsten: no clue, what's that? |
| 03:27.23 | karsten | Guerin: apt-cache show laptop-mode-tools |
| 03:27.30 | Guerin | ah yeah |
| 03:27.31 | Guerin | no idea |
| 03:27.33 | karsten | Guerin: Mostly power tweaks to maximize battery life. |
| 03:27.40 | Guerin | i could use that, you know |
| 03:27.52 | Guerin | although i already buyilt a kernel with undervolt patches |
| 03:28.27 | brandon_ | anyone know how to make custom keyboard shortcuts in gnome? |
| 03:28.49 | Wyzard | brandon_: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts |
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| 03:29.12 | brandon_ | Wyzard: no, custom, like i read some guy used his capslock as a modifier |
| 03:29.38 | Wyzard | "modifier" like a Shift- or Alt-type key? |
| 03:29.41 | bangers | what package do i want for php4 mysql client? |
| 03:29.59 | Wyzard | bangers: php4-mysql |
| 03:30.28 | brandon_ | Wyzard: windows keys can't be bound with anything to create shortcuts, they only work alone, but i think there's work arounds, and i'm wondering if anyone uses any |
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| 03:31.38 | Wyzard | brandon_: My Windows keys work as modifiers and I didn't have to do any special configuration for that |
| 03:31.38 | Wyzard | brandon_: but anyway, that sort of thing is defined by the keymap |
| 03:31.49 | Wyzard | brandon_: You can control some of that with the "Keyboard" control panel in GNOME, but there's also underlying X stuff that I don't know much about |
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| 03:34.09 | buck | hi! \o/ |
| 03:34.38 | buck | adept usually takes ages to read the database for me, is there any way to speed it up? like make it use a different db engine or so? |
| 03:35.46 | CocoAUS | you're talkingl ike the database on your machine, or the servers? |
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| 03:36.37 | _kaiser_ | anyone here speak German? :) |
| 03:36.57 | Wyzard | !tell _kaiser_ about de |
| 03:37.10 | _kaiser_ | Wyzard: ty |
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| 03:37.26 | karsten | Guerin: Looks as if powersaved overlaps w/ laptp mode. |
| 03:37.51 | CocoAUS | could one of you guys try to access my gnump3d real quick |
| 03:38.03 | CocoAUS | it looksl ike it's working, but i wanna make sure the router is setup right |
| 03:38.06 | CocoAUS | http://24.20.48.231:6868/ |
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| 03:39.41 | karsten | Guerin: Hrm. Conflicting info on that. |
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| 03:41.27 | Bogus8 | I apt-get'd xfce4 and I'm trying to launch it from the command line `xfce4-session` but it gives me a GTK-WARNING **: Cannot open display I know I'm missing something basic but I rarely mess with X so I'm clueless |
| 03:41.43 | Bogus8 | btw, I've never got X running here yet |
| 03:41.57 | karsten | !set up x |
| 03:41.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 03:42.00 | Wyzard | Bogus8: xfce4-session has to be run within X |
| 03:42.08 | Wyzard | It doesn't launch X for you; rather X should be launching it |
| 03:42.28 | karsten | Bogus8: 'startx $( which xfce4-session ) -- :0 |
| 03:42.33 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: karsten: Thanks |
| 03:42.37 | karsten | Bogus8: ... if you've already got installed, should do it. |
| 03:42.57 | frogonwheels | I have a wireless card on a debian box (rt2400) and a mobile phone that supports wlan. The phone authenticates a connection but I don't see ANY packets with tcpdump until I ping it from the linux box first. |
| 03:43.34 | frogonwheels | Any ideas on where/why/what I should be looking at? |
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| 03:43.54 | frogonwheels | ONce the connection has been started - It's all good from there! |
| 03:43.59 | torrr | wols, and source packages aren't considered repositories? |
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| 03:45.44 | Halleck | Hey, I'm doing a netinstall of etch but I accidentally selected the desktop task which I didn't want. Now it's downloading all the desktop packages. Is there a way to stop it safely? |
| 03:45.59 | torrr | dondelelcaro, whats a DD? |
| 03:46.00 | koppernet | aside from apt-get.org where can i found etch stable repository |
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| 03:47.01 | dondelelcaro | torrr: debian developer |
| 03:47.07 | Wyzard | koppernet: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 03:47.14 | comphappy | does anyone have a mysql startup script that i could look at, i have been starting man with /usr/bin/msqld_safe & but would like to put it in my rc |
| 03:47.33 | nitro4ce | !sex |
| 03:47.34 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 03:47.35 | comphappy | the normal script is not in /etc/init.d |
| 03:47.42 | Wyzard | comphappy: mysqld is started automatically by /etc/init.d/mysql |
| 03:47.50 | comphappy | not there :) |
| 03:47.52 | dondelelcaro | !confmiss |
| 03:47.53 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 03:47.58 | comphappy | that is what i need to see |
| 03:47.59 | dondelelcaro | comphappy: use the above with mysql-sever |
| 03:48.02 | Wyzard | then your installation is broken and you should reinstall the package |
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| 03:48.25 | comphappy | not just not modified for embedded |
| 03:48.37 | torrr | dondelelcaro, isn't there an authoritative DD for keys matters? |
| 03:49.05 | dondelelcaro | torrr: there's a keyring, but if you can't authenticate the archive key, you can't authenticate the keyring |
| 03:49.12 | karsten | Guerin: Looks as if laptop mode enables hibernate/sleep on critical battery low. |
| 03:49.16 | torrr | dondelelcaro, I mean just for debian key matters, I don't want to trust his non debian stuff |
| 03:49.25 | comphappy | i with a slip of keys deleted it, while trying to compact my distro for SD card |
| 03:49.35 | torrr | dondelelcaro, I mean for starting a web of trust |
| 03:49.44 | gahan | i've problems with my hard drive, i can't turn on DMA naymore after i upgraded from 2.4.30 to 2.6. i'm using Intel 82801EB ICH5 SATA controller and modprobe ata_piix ends with "ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0x00010177" (i suppose that's the error message) , any ideas ? |
| 03:49.49 | comphappy | if some one could post there /etc/init.d/mysql what would be great |
| 03:50.15 | Wyzard | comphappy: dondelelcaro told you how to get it back |
| 03:50.36 | gahan | there's also ata: 0x1F0 IDE port busy ata: conflict with ide0 |
| 03:50.39 | comphappy | i dont want to reinstall it |
| 03:50.51 | Wyzard | Why not? |
| 03:51.01 | qiyong | imap, delete(move to trash) a folder always fails |
| 03:51.02 | koppernet | Wyzard thanks |
| 03:51.05 | comphappy | i have already configured it and cross compiled it |
| 03:51.14 | qiyong | any workaround? |
| 03:51.18 | Wyzard | It won't change your configuration |
| 03:51.22 | Wyzard | but... cross-compiled? |
| 03:51.24 | comphappy | it is no longer a "true" debian |
| 03:51.32 | comphappy | embedded arm |
| 03:52.01 | dondelelcaro | comphappy: it doesn't matter. Reinstall the package and it'll reinstall the mysql init.d script. |
| 03:52.11 | comphappy | it is also not on the www |
| 03:52.16 | dondelelcaro | comphappy: yes, it is. |
| 03:52.20 | Halleck | So does anyone know a safe way of stopping the netinstaller while it's downloading packages? I don't really want to just go around randomly killing processes on another TTY during my first clean install of etch. |
| 03:52.43 | liable | unplug the net |
| 03:52.44 | karsten | Halleck: Why do you want to stop it? |
| 03:52.59 | comphappy | no it is not, it is in an isolated lan that has already been configured |
| 03:53.02 | karsten | Halleck: If you do stop it, you pretty much have to start over again. |
| 03:53.05 | Halleck | karsten: Don't want the desktop task. |
| 03:53.07 | Wyzard | comphappy: I'm really confused about what you mean by having cross-compiled mysql... a copy built for another architecture wouldn't be a replacement for the native one installed from the package |
| 03:53.11 | karsten | Halleck: ... the process is not idempotent. |
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| 03:53.21 | Halleck | That's fine if I can just use my existing partitions |
| 03:53.22 | karsten | Halleck: Then uninstall it afterward. |
| 03:53.36 | dondelelcaro | comphappy: oh; I'm talking about the package's init.d, not your machine. Obviously you're going to have to come up with some way of reinstalling the package. However you do that is your deal. |
| 03:53.46 | karsten | Halleck: Yeah, you can skip the partitioning, though I'd format them / create filesystems (should be fast). |
| 03:53.56 | comphappy | I have made some changes to the mysql code, using a real comp i dont want to recompile it |
| 03:53.58 | pihhan | stop it hard and start it again |
| 03:54.14 | Halleck | actually I already repartitioned, I have an ext3 and swap ready to go |
| 03:54.27 | comphappy | Why can someone not post there init.d/mysql |
| 03:54.28 | Wyzard | comphappy: Well, you can download the .deb and use dpkg-deb to extract the files, and get the initscript that way |
| 03:54.34 | comphappy | ok |
| 03:54.38 | karsten | Halleck: mkfs is faster than deleting files. |
| 03:54.51 | comphappy | i will find a SVN somewhere |
| 03:55.14 | Wyzard | ...no, just download the .deb from packages.debian.org |
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| 03:55.26 | niru | hi |
| 03:55.34 | Wyzard | That way you get the initscript that's meant for the version of the package that you're using |
| 03:55.42 | niru | After building d-i we get a netboot image aswell |
| 03:56.15 | Halleck | I have no problem killing the installer and starting over again if that won't mess up my system... what process(es) should I go after? |
| 03:56.16 | niru | when I write the netboot image into a cd and try with my repo I see some debootstrap error |
| 03:57.45 | dondelelcaro | comphappy: because pasting it requires us to do work, when you can easily do the work yourself? |
| 03:57.48 | comphappy | am i going to beable to see the inside files of the deb package in fedora |
| 03:58.15 | dondelelcaro | comphappy: it's an ar archive with two tarballs inside. It's not that complex. |
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| 03:59.13 | comphappy | i see data and control |
| 04:00.35 | comphappy | data has the changelog and control has... well the control file |
| 04:00.35 | dondelelcaro | uh... try again |
| 04:01.26 | dondelelcaro | if all data has is a changelog, you don't have the right package. |
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| 04:01.40 | comphappy | that and the copyright |
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| 04:01.51 | dondelelcaro | you're not looking at the right package, then. |
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| 04:02.31 | comphappy | the mysql-server.deb |
| 04:02.40 | comphappy | mysql-server_5.0.32-7etch1_all.deb |
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| 04:02.48 | comphappy | tried to mirrors |
| 04:02.49 | dondelelcaro | mysql-server is just a meta package that depends on mysql-server-5.0 |
| 04:02.54 | dondelelcaro | you want mysql-server-5.0 |
| 04:04.06 | comphappy | ok that one has some data 21 MB |
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| 04:05.35 | comphappy | servers are slow 20KB/S |
| 04:05.39 | Halleck | cool... I killed aptitude and the installer let me go back to the index and start over. thanks for the help. |
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| 04:06.20 | Wyzard | comphappy: sounds like you need to use a different mirror |
| 04:06.41 | comphappy | us one timed out |
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| 04:07.16 | Wyzard | Try mirrors.kernel.org |
| 04:07.59 | Wyzard | I use that as my primary mirror (with http.us as a backup) and it's generally pretty fast for me |
| 04:09.11 | comphappy | my internet just when down the toilet |
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| 04:09.56 | karsten | comphappy: TiSP! |
| 04:10.07 | karsten | comphappy: http://www.google.com/tisp/ |
| 04:10.15 | comphappy | that was what i was thinking |
| 04:10.23 | karsten | ;-) |
| 04:10.26 | karsten | Great minds ... |
| 04:10.29 | karsten | ... are in the toilet. |
| 04:11.02 | comphappy | I was also thinking about getting a hard copy of linux kernel via paper archive :) |
| 04:11.35 | comphappy | ahh google what would we do with out you (?) |
| 04:12.22 | comphappy | ...goes to flush tolit |
| 04:12.36 | litage_ | how can one determine which video driver X is using? |
| 04:12.51 | karsten | comphappy: http://fury.com/google-circa-1960.php |
| 04:13.08 | karsten | litage_: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:13.31 | Wyzard | karsten: http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2005/10/10/opinion/1010opart.html |
| 04:13.42 | karsten | Actually, the address should read "Mountain View, Calif. 94043 |
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| 04:14.09 | comphappy | it does :) |
| 04:14.19 | karsten | Wyzard: Sweet. |
| 04:15.02 | comphappy | i sent a letter to google for my tISP kit, they never replied |
| 04:15.08 | comphappy | :( |
| 04:15.15 | litage_ | karsten: i've looked through X's log file, but don't see anything that specifically states which driver is going to be used |
| 04:16.03 | Wyzard | litage_: The driver itself prints messages when it's loaded |
| 04:16.22 | comphappy | Nice Wyzard, finaly loaded that is how messed up my internet is currently |
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| 04:16.46 | karsten | litage_: grep 'Module:' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:16.48 | karsten | ' |
| 04:17.00 | karsten | erm. ' |
| 04:17.13 | Wyzard | litage_: in my case I have a LoadModule: "nvidia" followed by some output from the LoadModule, and then a bunch of messages from the nVidia driver |
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| 04:17.51 | gpm | someone needs more fiber |
| 04:18.03 | karsten | So, I got 10,973,636 lines in 2.6.18 kernel (.c files only). Or 182,894 pages, or 305 600-page books. |
| 04:18.06 | litage_ | Wyzard: X tries to load fglrx, but doing so fails. after that, it mentions GLcore. is that a video driver? |
| 04:18.22 | purplepenguins | 11 million lines of code? |
| 04:18.22 | purplepenguins | wow |
| 04:18.23 | Bogus8 | does debian have Opera in an apt repos? |
| 04:18.28 | purplepenguins | didn't know the kernel was that big |
| 04:18.36 | Wyzard | litage_: No, that's a module that has something to do with OpenGL... I've often seen advice saying not to load GLcore, but personally I've never seen any harm in having it enabled |
| 04:18.42 | Wyzard | litage_: fglrx is the video driver |
| 04:19.00 | litage_ | Wyzard: right, but what happens if fglrx fails to load? |
| 04:19.06 | Wyzard | litage_: then X fails to load |
| 04:19.12 | litage_ | Wyzard: X is running |
| 04:19.23 | Wyzard | litage_: then fglrx didn't fail to load |
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| 04:19.39 | litage_ | Wyzard: ``lsmod | grep fglrx'' returns nothing |
| 04:19.51 | Wyzard | litage_: Xorg video drivers aren't kernel modules |
| 04:19.52 | gpm | litage_: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 04:20.34 | gpm | that'll show you all the drivers, it should be obvious which one is for video |
| 04:20.44 | litage_ | Wyzard: why does one need the fglrx LKM loaded though? |
| 04:20.46 | Wyzard | litage_: nVidia's driver has a kernel module, but that's the exception, not the rule... I don't think ATi's does |
| 04:20.49 | gpm | i have three (kdb, mouse and nv) |
| 04:20.57 | karsten | Hrm. I think I overcounted. |
| 04:20.57 | Wyzard | litage_: oh, fglrx does have a kernel module? |
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| 04:21.10 | gpm | Wyzard: i think it does, but don't quote me |
| 04:21.10 | litage_ | Wyzard: yes |
| 04:21.18 | Wyzard | ok |
| 04:21.29 | Wyzard | litage_: Well, do what gpm said to see what drivers are actually mentioned in your xorg.conf |
| 04:21.33 | karsten | 7.7 million lines w/ all files, 5.5m *.c only. |
| 04:21.47 | niru | when I do netboot and connect to my repo |
| 04:21.51 | niru | I get error as |
| 04:21.53 | Wyzard | litage_: It's possible that for some reason xorg is trying to load the fglrx driver even though it isn't actually using it to drive a video card, though I can't think of any reason why it would do that |
| 04:22.05 | gpm | that would be strange |
| 04:22.10 | Wyzard | litage_: It might also be that the fglrx driver can work without the kernel module, maybe in 2D-only mode or something |
| 04:22.17 | niru | the debootstrap program exited with an error |
| 04:22.37 | niru | Menu item 'base installer' selected |
| 04:22.40 | litage_ | Wyzard: it definitely does: /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 04:22.42 | Wyzard | In fact I think I read somewhere that it can do that, though I might just be imagining things |
| 04:22.43 | niru | E:NOSCRIPT |
| 04:23.07 | niru | EA:/usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/tarang |
| 04:23.12 | gpm | niru: stop pasting |
| 04:23.18 | gpm | !tell niru about paste |
| 04:23.20 | niru | EF: No such script: %s |
| 04:23.30 | niru | gpm:I am not pasting |
| 04:23.31 | gpm | niru: where did you get this netboot image? |
| 04:23.39 | gpm | niru: well, stop typing error messages |
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| 04:23.53 | niru | gpm, I compiled the d-i |
| 04:24.03 | litage_ | Wyzard, gpm: ``grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf'' lists "kbd", "synaptics", and "fglrx". clearly, X is being told to use fglrx. however, i don't think it's succeeding in using fglrx, as the LKM is not loaded, and various fglrx-related errors occur in X.0.log |
| 04:24.06 | gpm | niru: ok, and then? |
| 04:24.12 | niru | gpm, is my repo not proper |
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| 04:24.25 | niru | gpm, when I connect to other mirrors it works fine |
| 04:24.34 | gpm | niru: Probably it's the repo then |
| 04:24.38 | niru | gpm, same image if connected to my repo it fails |
| 04:24.39 | Wyzard | litage_: I think the fglrx xorg driver might actually work without the LKM, just without 3D acceleration |
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| 04:24.51 | niru | gpm, how can I check where is problem in the repo |
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| 04:25.10 | gpm | niru: are you talking about your own repo? |
| 04:25.21 | niru | gpm, yup a debian repo |
| 04:25.29 | gpm | niru: i don't know, i've always used one of the mirrors, never had my own |
| 04:25.34 | gpm | :( |
| 04:25.46 | niru | gpm, whome can I ask |
| 04:25.50 | niru | here |
| 04:25.53 | gpm | the rest of the channel |
| 04:26.03 | gpm | just ask the question, if someone knows, they will answer you |
| 04:26.07 | gpm | !ask |
| 04:26.08 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:26.45 | gpm | 'never had the bandwidth to host a mirror |
| 04:26.54 | gpm | though i'd like to help out if i could |
| 04:27.26 | niru | gpm, it shows like base-installer/debootstrap-failed |
| 04:28.25 | gpm | yeah, but if the normal debian repos work, then it sounds like yours is the problem |
| 04:28.38 | gpm | and i have *0* expertise when it comes to hosting your own repo |
| 04:28.46 | litage_ | Wyzard: what will happen if i don't specify a video driver in xorg.conf ? |
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| 04:29.36 | Wyzard | litage_: I imagine it would fail to start, though I've never tried it |
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| 04:31.15 | litage_ | Wyzard: actually, running /usr/bin/fglrxinfo returns this: http://rafb.net/p/0ocL6215.html i recognise "Mesa", but what does it mean? |
| 04:31.32 | Wyzard | litage_: Mesa is the OpenGL implementation |
| 04:32.29 | gpm | i feel bad for being unable to help, so i'll ask for him: niru needs help figuring out what's wrong with his attempted mirror of the debian archive |
| 04:32.42 | Wyzard | litage_: nVidia provides its own OpenGL library, but fglrx uses Mesa (the open-source one that most other video drivers use) and just provides hardware acceleration for it |
| 04:32.43 | karsten | Could someone run xrandr and tell me if it segfaults reading /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6? |
| 04:32.55 | Wyzard | litage_: Try glxinfo | head |
| 04:32.56 | gpm | karsten: no |
| 04:32.59 | gpm | not on sid, anyway |
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| 04:34.06 | karsten | gpm: Do you have libxdmcp6 or libxdmcp6-dbg installed? |
| 04:34.15 | litage_ | Wyzard: i have no glxinfo.. |
| 04:34.40 | gpm | karsten: yes, the former, not the latter |
| 04:34.43 | gpm | mesa-utils |
| 04:34.47 | Wyzard | litage_: It's in mesa-utils |
| 04:34.49 | karsten | gpm: Latter seems to cause a bug. |
| 04:34.58 | gpm | karsten: lessee |
| 04:35.12 | karsten | gpm: I'm abuot to swap 'em... |
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| 04:35.38 | goldphish | I just installed debian testing on a remote system. When I ssh into it from another Linux box (gentoo w/ aterm) it seems like there is a character encoding problem. Some of the text is garbled and unreadable. Especially in ncurses programs like aptitude. Where should I look to find out what is responsible for this? |
| 04:36.03 | cast | ahh i have that problem |
| 04:36.03 | torrr | I have some mails from Anacron |
| 04:36.17 | torrr | saying stuff about unknown group 'adm' |
| 04:36.20 | torrr | and |
| 04:36.24 | torrr | chown: `root:adm': invalid group |
| 04:36.25 | gpm | karsten: well, i have both now and xrandr still works |
| 04:36.27 | gpm | !enter |
| 04:36.27 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 04:36.35 | karsten | gpm: Doh! No, I've got |
| 04:36.40 | cast | switching away from UTF to 8XXX [can't remember number] fixes it here |
| 04:36.40 | karsten | libxdmcp6 |
| 04:36.49 | Wyzard | litage_: The "client glx vendor string" reported by glxinfo should be "SGI", since that's apparently what Mesa calls itself, but I think the "server glx vendor string" should mention ATi -- though I'm not sure; it might say "SGI" too |
| 04:37.10 | karsten | goldphish: Set your locale to C on both systems and retry. |
| 04:37.10 | goldphish | cast: where do you switch that? |
| 04:37.20 | gpm | karsten: yeah, i have that too |
| 04:37.20 | goldphish | karsten: how? |
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| 04:37.31 | karsten | goldphish: If you've got the problem still, it's something else. If you don't have the problem, it's your locale |
| 04:37.36 | karsten | goldphish: export LC_ALL=C |
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| 04:37.39 | cast | goldphish: well i run dpkg-reconfigure locales and in /etc/environment, but since you're sshing in i'm not sure on what host you set that.. |
| 04:37.51 | karsten | goldphish: Both hosts. Run that first in the local shell, then remote when you ssh in. |
| 04:38.02 | Wyzard | goldphish: The remote machine is using Unicode (specifically UTF-8) but the Linux console can't display Unicode properly (afaik) |
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| 04:39.20 | wols | Wyzard: it can if you have the proper font |
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| 04:39.38 | goldphish | karsten: cool, thanks |
| 04:39.50 | Wyzard | wols: My understanding was that the console driver doesn't have enough glyph positions to hold a Unicode font |
| 04:39.55 | Wyzard | wols: maybe a framebuffer console though |
| 04:40.21 | goldphish | This is interesting since I thought my Gentoo system could use UTF8 as well |
| 04:40.23 | Wyzard | wols: but a conventional text console is limited to the VGA text-mode font mechanism |
| 04:40.25 | litage | Wyzard: here's the output from glxinfo: http://rafb.net/p/B8KU9b81.html |
| 04:40.33 | gpm | definitely a framebuffer font can |
| 04:40.40 | gpm | s/font/console |
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| 04:41.20 | Wyzard | litage: OK, nevermind, that doesn't tell you anything |
| 04:41.20 | Wyzard | litage: well, "direct rendering: No" tells you that you don't have accelerated 3D |
| 04:41.20 | litage_ | heheh |
| 04:41.28 | torrr | how do I fix this: |
| 04:41.29 | wols | Wyzard: /etc/console-tools/config change the font and it will change in your console |
| 04:41.29 | torrr | /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd: |
| 04:41.33 | torrr | chown: `root:adm': invalid group |
| 04:41.42 | torrr | run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd exited with return code 1 |
| 04:42.10 | torrr | ? |
| 04:42.10 | Wyzard | litage: which is consistent with my hypothesis that fglrx works without the LKM, sans 3D acceleration |
| 04:42.10 | goldphish | karsten: worked |
| 04:42.10 | goldphish | cast: also worked |
| 04:42.12 | goldphish | thanks guys, very helpful :) |
| 04:42.21 | talisker | OK, I've got myself into this sort of situation |
| 04:42.48 | Wyzard | wols: for single-byte fonts, sure... but that's not going to load thousands and thousands of glyphs because the VGA text mechanism doesn't have space for thousands and thousands of glyph bitmaps |
| 04:42.49 | talisker | I have a Dell Inspiron 6400 lappie, with two fully operational operating systems and no proper bootloadr |
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| 04:42.56 | gpm | torrr: you *do* have an adm group right?" |
| 04:43.01 | talisker | one is Windows XP, and the other one is Debian |
| 04:43.07 | wols | torrr: grep adm /etc/group* |
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| 04:43.39 | talisker | How should I go about fixing that? Where is the best place to ask for help [if not here]? |
| 04:43.41 | wols | talisker: reinstall grub |
| 04:43.42 | torrr | gpm, no |
| 04:43.44 | cast | cool :> |
| 04:43.45 | karsten | gpm: Actually, looks like a libc6 issue. |
| 04:43.50 | gpm | karsten: ouch |
| 04:44.00 | karsten | talisker: Too much whiskey, not enough girls? |
| 04:44.01 | talisker | wols, I can't install grub to MBR, that's the problem |
| 04:44.09 | wols | talisker: by booting from live cd |
| 04:44.10 | gpm | no adm group... |
| 04:44.12 | gpm | hm |
| 04:44.18 | karsten | talisker: Boot live CD, reinstall Knoppix. |
| 04:44.22 | gpm | *maybe* that's why it's saying it's not a valid group |
| 04:44.31 | karsten | talisker: For windows, FreeDOS and fdisk /mbr |
| 04:44.35 | torrr | gpm, yea |
| 04:44.37 | karsten | gpm: ?? |
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| 04:44.42 | talisker | I can't touch the MBR |
| 04:44.51 | wols | talisker: why not? |
| 04:44.53 | gpm | so the answer is... |
| 04:44.53 | karsten | talisker: Ah, one system. |
| 04:45.05 | karsten | talisker: NM. Just reinstall GRUB from a livecd / boot disk. |
| 04:45.06 | talisker | That's the issue, this laptop has a boot level recovery partition |
| 04:45.10 | gpm | karsten: oh, you fixed it? |
| 04:45.18 | karsten | gpm: No. |
| 04:45.21 | litage | Wyzard: is there any reason why i shouldn't switch from fglrx to vesa if i don't need 3D stuff? |
| 04:45.22 | karsten | gpm: I'm reporting the bug. |
| 04:45.28 | gpm | karsten: yeah, so i'm saying, that's a bummer. ouch. |
| 04:45.34 | talisker | I have had grub installed on the local partition |
| 04:45.41 | wols | talisker: and that has what to do with oyu mbr? |
| 04:45.42 | torrr | so what should I do? |
| 04:45.44 | gpm | torrr: create the group! groupadd adm as root |
| 04:45.46 | Wyzard | litage: yes, vesa doesn't do 2D acceleration either -- just dragging windows around will be choppy |
| 04:45.50 | gpm | !duh |
| 04:45.50 | dpkg | duh is, like, an exclamation showing absence of common knowledge, or <reply> no shit sherlock |
| 04:45.58 | litage | Wyzard: ah. thaks |
| 04:46.00 | wols | torrr: run a proper debian that has the group |
| 04:46.02 | torrr | gpm so simple |
| 04:46.09 | karsten | gpm: I'd like to be able to dynamically switch between dual-head at work and just the laptop screen on the road. I've managed to get uswsusp working today after way too long. |
| 04:46.17 | talisker | wols, the MBR is stored on the start of the disk, right? |
| 04:46.26 | wols | talisker: yes. |
| 04:46.27 | torrr | wols, I do what gpm wrote |
| 04:46.28 | karsten | wols: Nothing. I misread his question as there being two seperate computers. |
| 04:46.39 | talisker | K, so that's where the DELL utility stores it's, err... stuff |
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| 04:46.47 | karsten | talisker: The mbr is a seperate disk section, it's not actually a partition, per se. |
| 04:46.50 | wols | talisker: wrong |
| 04:46.53 | Wyzard | talisker: The "boot-level recovery partiton" is just that, a partition |
| 04:47.13 | Wyzard | talisker: The MBR is a single sector, 512 bytes, at the beginning of the disk, which contains the partition table and some boot code |
| 04:47.19 | talisker | OK, so you suggest I reinstall grub into the MBR |
| 04:47.21 | talisker | ? |
| 04:47.25 | karsten | talisker: Yeah. |
| 04:47.26 | wols | talisker: the dell crap doesn#t install anything in the first 512bytes of your disk except maybe the pointer to the recovrey partition which is fine |
| 04:47.32 | Wyzard | talisker: You don't want to delete the recovery partition, but there's no harm in putting GRUB's boot code into the MBR |
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| 04:47.51 | gpm | torrr: don't blame me if it doesn't solve all your problems. you shouldn't have to add an adm group |
| 04:47.53 | talisker | Any reason to prefer grub over lilo? |
| 04:47.55 | karsten | talisker: grub-install /dev/hda, then do a chainloader for WinXX, see any decent GRUB howto for that. |
| 04:48.01 | Wyzard | talisker: You can even configure GRUB with an option to boot the recovery partition -- use chainloader, like you do for booting Windows |
| 04:48.02 | gpm | torrr: like, i have one, but i never added it manually |
| 04:48.21 | gpm | torrr: but if it works, hooray |
| 04:48.27 | wols | torrr: how did you intall debian? |
| 04:48.41 | gpm | too sleepy |
| 04:48.41 | karsten | !windows+linux dual boot |
| 04:48.42 | dpkg | hmm... windows+linux dual boot is Go read http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/Linux+Windows-HOWTO |
| 04:48.53 | talisker | I never needed any chainloader to boot windows, or was it just the installation utility using it for me? |
| 04:49.03 | torrr | wols, I got etch from a netinstall cd about a month b4 it became stable |
| 04:49.05 | wols | talisker: it was |
| 04:49.06 | karsten | gpm: You're going to get down and dirty with me instead! |
| 04:49.12 | Wyzard | It was the installer doing it for you |
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| 04:49.21 | gpm | karsten: any time |
| 04:49.25 | karsten | talisker: If you've booted windows with grub you've used chainloader. |
| 04:49.39 | talisker | OK, here's a question |
| 04:49.39 | torrr | gpm, wee will see in a couple of days |
| 04:50.05 | talisker | How come installing Debian caused the system to stop recognize windows. if I installed grub on the linux partition? |
| 04:50.06 | gpm | torrr: or you could just try to run that cronjob right now |
| 04:50.09 | torrr | gpm, it is a daily cron job that sends this error message, if it stops I will know |
| 04:50.23 | torrr | gpm- how? |
| 04:50.30 | wols | talisker: what verison of debian did you install from what meida? |
| 04:50.34 | Wyzard | talisker: You installed GRUB in the MBR, which is what's responsible for choosing a partition to boot |
| 04:50.48 | karsten | talisker: Define "stop recognizing Windows". You've only got one boot manager active at a time. |
| 04:50.55 | Wyzard | talisker: It overwrote the Windows MBR code which only knows how to boot Windows |
| 04:50.55 | SlackRat | morinngo folks......ive been googling in circles for hours, and still have this (apparently common) problem and have tried all the solutions that seem to apply.....debian etch is giving me a : |
| 04:50.57 | talisker | Wyzard, I never installed GRUB to the MBR, I installed lilo to the local disk |
| 04:51.08 | SlackRat | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 04:51.12 | Wyzard | talisker: OK, then you installed LILO in the MBR |
| 04:51.18 | karsten | talisker: If GRUB's active, then your Windows MBR isn't. (It's likely been nuked, unless you've played games with bootable partitions). |
| 04:51.21 | talisker | Nope, I didn't install it in the MBR |
| 04:51.23 | SlackRat | warning........... |
| 04:51.32 | wols | talisker: how did you boot debian then? |
| 04:51.37 | talisker | I didn't |
| 04:51.41 | karsten | talisker: So, for GRUB to boot Windows you need a chainloader stanza. Just read the f*cking howto already. |
| 04:51.41 | talisker | I can't boot into anything |
| 04:51.50 | karsten | talisker: Lilo's a similar story to grub |
| 04:52.05 | karsten | talisker: It also goes in the MBR _or_ the bootable partition. |
| 04:52.11 | talisker | karsten, I will, I was just curious |
| 04:52.13 | wols | talisker: if you only installed lilo to your partition it won't change anything in the MBR which means the windows bootloader there stayed and worked |
| 04:52.16 | SlackRat | is this a recent bug in the process of being fixed, or did i miss something obvious? |
| 04:52.19 | Wyzard | talisker: If you installed LILO to the partition's boot sector rather than the MBR, your system should continue to boot Windows like always -- that's not touched at all |
| 04:52.30 | karsten | wols: ... unless he also marked the LILO partition as bootable. |
| 04:52.38 | talisker | That's what concerning me, I hope I didn't mess up my entire drive... |
| 04:52.51 | wols | karsten: could be. but then lilo would have started |
| 04:52.56 | talisker | Anyway, now that I have a lead it's time to delve in and find that out, isn't it? |
| 04:52.59 | karsten | talisker: 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' should show your partitions, with what's bootable. /etc/lilo.conf will show its boot config as well. |
| 04:53.00 | talisker | Thanks for your help |
| 04:53.05 | Wyzard | talisker: Unless you deleted your Windows partition while installing, the installer won't have touched it |
| 04:53.06 | gpm | torrr: just run the job |
| 04:53.06 | karsten | wols: Point. |
| 04:53.21 | karsten | SlackRat: /topic. /msg dpkg etch key |
| 04:53.38 | SlackRat | ah, cool thanks....... |
| 04:54.02 | torrr | gpm, syskloged passed |
| 04:54.21 | talisker | I was really impressed with the way Debian handled my web interfaces |
| 04:54.27 | torrr | gpm, tried logrotate and got :error: /etc/logrotate.conf:21 unknown group 'utmp' |
| 04:54.51 | torrr | gpm... should I just add utmp? |
| 04:55.17 | wols | torrr: you did something to your group file. something very bad |
| 04:55.27 | wols | I doubt that a etch install cd even testing would fuck that up |
| 04:55.58 | gpm | wols: it wouldn't, i used weekly builds the whole time etch was testing to install on various boxen...they're all fine |
| 04:56.17 | wols | talisker: wth is a "web interface"? |
| 04:56.25 | gpm | torrr: may as well |
| 04:56.28 | torrr | wols, if I did it was long ago, and I don't remember doing it. Only thing I did is usning gnome users interface |
| 04:56.33 | talisker | sry, my interfaces |
| 04:56.45 | SlackRat | damn, i tried that in two steps earlier without &&....still got the same warning just now.....grrrr...or is the topic implying the public key is not available atm?? |
| 04:56.52 | gpm | nope, not even gnome would do that :P |
| 04:57.07 | SlackRat | never saw this on stable before...... |
| 04:57.31 | torrr | I also didn't have a cdrom group |
| 04:57.31 | gpm | SlackRat: did you actually /msg dpkg no public key? |
| 04:57.56 | gpm | SlackRat: your answer might be there |
| 04:58.05 | gpm | torrr: this is all very suspect |
| 04:58.05 | torrr | ok logrotate ran |
| 04:58.09 | SlackRat | erm, doing it as we speak ....sorry |
| 04:58.14 | talisker | anyway to get a real shell from the debian netinst CD? |
| 04:58.15 | gpm | SlackRat: np |
| 04:58.29 | gpm | talisker: alt-f2 |
| 04:58.31 | karsten | talisker: <alt><F2> |
| 04:58.32 | gpm | press enter? |
| 04:58.44 | karsten | talisker: dash + busybox |
| 04:58.53 | gpm | oh it's dash |
| 04:58.58 | gpm | i couldn't remember what shell was there |
| 04:59.02 | talisker | pretty restricted... |
| 04:59.12 | gpm | talisker: well yeah, it's not a livecd |
| 04:59.16 | gpm | as jelly would say |
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| 05:00.37 | gpm | the only way to get bash or somesuch is to chroot |
| 05:00.44 | gpm | i might be wrong |
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| 05:00.51 | SlackRat | ! etch key |
| 05:00.52 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 05:01.11 | gpm | SlackRat: just /msg the bot, don't ! |
| 05:01.24 | karsten | gpm: chroot install! ;-) |
| 05:01.34 | gpm | v nice |
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| 05:03.48 | talisker | Is having no hard drives in my /dev folder a bad sign? |
| 05:04.02 | gpm | i think most of the major problems in here come from people following guides tailored to other distros |
| 05:04.08 | gpm | talisker: if you have harddrives, yes |
| 05:04.14 | karsten | talisker: Tends to suggest udev isn't running. |
| 05:04.17 | SlackRat | ok, so its a warning not to worry about from what i read, until i verify the key, its nothing to sweat over? |
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| 05:05.14 | SlackRat | ie, check the validity of the key, i can add it, till then no harm done..... |
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| 05:05.48 | gpm | SlackRat: yeah. did you add a new repo to your sources.list or something? |
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| 05:06.02 | SlackRat | not recently |
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| 05:06.48 | SlackRat | i actually removed a few like the cds, now its installed and third party ones, i was suspicious of |
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| 05:07.23 | SlackRat | now that i got the multimedia stuff i needed.......after isntall |
| 05:07.30 | SlackRat | :-P |
| 05:07.36 | niru | http://pastebin.ca/527095 |
| 05:07.57 | gpm | SlackRat: you have debian-archive-keyring installed? |
| 05:08.35 | SlackRat | yeah , installed it this afternoon |
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| 05:08.53 | gpm | niru: you need to import the key and add it with apt-key |
| 05:08.57 | gpm | SlackRat: weird |
| 05:09.15 | gpm | SlackRat: and you get this error running aptitude update? |
| 05:09.31 | SlackRat | uh, lemme double check that, one sec |
| 05:09.41 | niru | gpm, yup last time too I got this and did some importing now forgot the commands.could you type here |
| 05:09.56 | SlackRat | thought i did, but doing it now again |
| 05:10.13 | gpm | niru: add this to your bookmarks http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 05:10.19 | niru | gpm, and how to add it to reposiory so that in future others dont get the same |
| 05:10.23 | gpm | SlackRat: you might want to check that out too |
| 05:10.33 | gpm | SlackRat: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt i mean |
| 05:10.38 | talisker | K |
| 05:10.39 | gpm | man apt-key |
| 05:10.46 | gpm | too |
| 05:10.47 | talisker | Fdisk gives me "fatal error, cannot open disk drive" |
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| 05:10.58 | niru | gpm, may be due to that the installation fails |
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| 05:11.01 | karsten | talisker: You got anything in /dev? |
| 05:11.09 | niru | gpm, I mean I am talking about the netboot |
| 05:11.12 | gpm | talisker: well of course not, you have no harddrives in dev, or so you said |
| 05:11.12 | talisker | nothing which starts with hd |
| 05:11.16 | karsten | talisker: MAKDEV is your friend. |
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| 05:11.26 | gpm | niru: if you're trying to use your repo yes |
| 05:11.30 | SlackRat | was just there, will read it in depth after sleep, and go thru it step by step........so i dont make one of those, gee, just one more attempt before i pass out stupid mistakes, heh |
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| 05:11.46 | gpm | niru: because the debian repos have their keys stored in the debian-archive-keyring, which the installer gets for you |
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| 05:12.01 | talisker | any chance it's fried? |
| 05:12.11 | gpm | yes |
| 05:12.18 | karsten | talisker: Otherwise: mknod /dev/hda c 3 0; for i in 1 2 3 4 5; do mknod /dev/hda${i} c 3 $i |
| 05:12.22 | karsten | ; done |
| 05:12.33 | piztek | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.36 | karsten | talisker: No, something's f*cked w/ udev or your installer. |
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| 05:12.50 | karsten | piztek: They're WM / desktop dependent. |
| 05:12.56 | karsten | piztek: How global is global? |
| 05:13.11 | niru | gpm, is all this things documented in the url u gave |
| 05:13.14 | gpm | no, xbindkeys |
| 05:13.16 | piztek | like i'm looking at the web and want to turn up the volume of my music player with a hotkey |
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| 05:13.30 | SlackRat | got the same from aptitude, will bookmark and look closer at the wiki page when im a bit less sleep deprived....... |
| 05:13.35 | piztek | xbindkeys? |
| 05:13.37 | karsten | piztek: See prior answer |
| 05:13.41 | gpm | niru: that should help you. but it won't help you build your own repo |
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| 05:13.50 | gpm | piztek: apt-cache show xbindkeys |
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| 05:14.11 | gpm | you'd need to start it manually though |
| 05:14.45 | niru | gpm, is release file problem also due to this keyring |
| 05:14.58 | gpm | niru: probably |
| 05:15.05 | gpm | niru: just use the debian repos to install |
| 05:15.10 | gpm | and change to your repo later |
| 05:15.36 | Bogus8 | how can I configure the time... I set it to UTC during the install but it's like 5 hours off |
| 05:15.41 | gpm | or become an official mirror |
| 05:15.48 | gpm | then your key will be added to the keyring |
| 05:15.55 | niru | gpm,oh |
| 05:16.04 | niru | gpm, how to become an official mirror |
| 05:16.06 | gpm | but i imagine that's more work than you want |
| 05:16.30 | niru | gpm, do I need to contact someone |
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| 05:17.32 | gpm | niru: read this: http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror, then go here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/submit |
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| 05:18.03 | piztek | xbindkeys is not running |
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| 05:18.16 | gpm | so start it |
| 05:18.28 | jair | guys beside manually edit the xorg.conf file to get the resolution I want, what should I do? restart the machine? I did the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:18.31 | piztek | oh i just mean a gui didn't show up |
| 05:18.39 | jair | it looks like it took all the resolution options |
| 05:18.42 | gpm | piztek: yeah, there is no gui |
| 05:18.56 | gpm | piztek: it uses a configuration file you have to edit |
| 05:19.00 | gpm | you know, with a text editor |
| 05:19.13 | gpm | oh wait |
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| 05:19.31 | jair | they look all options on the xorg.conf file, but when I go to the KDE version 3.5.x the one that etch use I can not get the resolution changed other than 1024x768 |
| 05:19.31 | gpm | you can try apt-get install xbindkeys-config |
| 05:19.42 | gpm | ok, that's enough for me tonight |
| 05:19.45 | gpm | have fun all |
| 05:20.24 | piztek | xbindkeys is bad |
| 05:20.43 | piztek | bbl |
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| 05:21.12 | Bogus8 | how can I configure the time... I set it to UTC during the install but it's like 5 hours off |
| 05:22.01 | daya | I have the follwing error in clinet system, |
| 05:22.02 | daya | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.02 | daya | Trying to load:pxelinux.cfg/01-00-13................. |
| 05:22.02 | daya | in ltsp 5.0, any solution, |
| 05:22.02 | daya | ~ |
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| 05:22.27 | SlackRat | <mini rant> too many damn 'debian problems' are actually running on ubuntu and mepis pages to give them the semblance of being debian.....bleh......there, i feel better now..... |
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| 05:23.19 | daya | extremely sorry for not using pastebin |
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| 05:28.53 | tenzind | hi, i am new to font stuff. Can someone help me how (if at all) i can generate the .hints file from a font file |
| 05:29.03 | Bogus8 | !dpkg time |
| 05:29.06 | Bogus8 | !dpkg date |
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| 05:29.18 | Bogus8 | !dpkg utc |
| 05:29.43 | Bogus8 | ! utc |
| 05:29.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, utc is Universal Time Convention, aka GMT. In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh restart |
| 05:29.55 | x-Dieu | Bogus8 read this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
| 05:30.19 | Bogus8 | x-Dieu: thanks |
| 05:30.24 | x-Dieu | np |
| 05:31.21 | valdyn | tenzind: what for? |
| 05:33.09 | Bogus8 | ok, but I have it set to UTC and my timezone is correct |
| 05:33.15 | tenzind | valdyn: i need a hints file for some font |
| 05:33.27 | valdyn | tenzind: why would you need a hints file? |
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| 05:36.59 | tenzind | valdyn: does the hints file get generated automatically when we install a font? |
| 05:37.06 | valdyn | tenzind: its included in debian packages |
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| 05:38.45 | tenzind | valdyn: if i want to creat a debian package for myself for a font, i need the hints file right? |
| 05:38.52 | valdyn | tenzind: see /etc/defoma/hints/, read the manpage 'man defoma-hints' |
| 05:40.38 | tenzind | valdyn: can i run defoma-hints on a .ttf file? |
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| 05:41.12 | dimir | Moin! |
| 05:42.26 | maek | does anyone know why a fresh install of etch wouldnt be able to connect to irc via irssi? |
| 05:42.27 | Bogus8 | well, time is still fucked... don't know what else to try :( |
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| 05:42.49 | n3kl | Is there no such thing as a print server in linux? I have tried to setup cups on a single maching to spool all the jobs that I send to it and manage all the servers, but every time I proceed with it, it seems that I have to install a print server on every machine that I want to print from. Is there an easier way to do this? |
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| 05:44.00 | SlackRat | thanks for the heads up guys........time to crash before i decide to play around with my apt sources any more till tomorrow.....cheers |
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| 05:45.20 | qiyong | what is the port number for SMTP over TLS? |
| 05:45.53 | Guerin | qiyong: tls occurs over standard smtp |
| 05:46.05 | Guerin | qiyong: SSL has a separate port; TLS doesn't |
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| 05:47.56 | qiyong | Guerin, my mozilla connects to the mta alwasy fails without any log in the mail.log, but telnet 25 works |
| 05:47.59 | qiyong | Guerin, idea? |
| 05:48.09 | qiyong | Guerin, i use postfix + tls |
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| 05:48.40 | n3kl | smtp is alway 25 |
| 05:49.03 | n3kl | why else use it other than to recieve email on, and you need to listen to internet standart in order to do so |
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| 05:51.16 | Guerin | qiyong: tls needs no additional port. smtp+ssl can work over another port (485 or something) but stock smtp, or smtp+tls, is always 25. |
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| 05:51.43 | Guerin | much as n3kl says |
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| 05:52.52 | heavensrevenge | hello |
| 05:53.11 | Guerin | heavensrevenge: heaveno |
| 05:53.31 | heavensrevenge | is there a way to specify a hdparm option as default?? |
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| 05:53.38 | heavensrevenge | like i have a seagate external |
| 05:53.53 | heavensrevenge | and it keeps goin to sleep, when i dont want it to at all |
| 05:54.03 | heavensrevenge | and hdparm has an option to disable that |
| 05:54.07 | Guerin | heavensrevenge: USB? |
| 05:54.24 | heavensrevenge | would i use hdparm, or just a kernel/fstab option?? |
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| 05:54.32 | heavensrevenge | yes a usb external |
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| 06:03.17 | predder | heavensrevenge, you can probably use hdparm to do that |
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| 06:04.18 | predder | the only annoyance is you'll need to setup an init script with the final parameters you choose to go with so it persists after reboots |
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| 06:04.24 | heavensrevenge | and can it work of an external usb drive?? |
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| 06:04.55 | predder | heavensrevenge, I dont see why it wouldnt. |
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| 06:06.10 | predder | back forward up down left right left right... FATALITY |
| 06:06.14 | outlaw84 | How can you select which package apt should get if you have serveal entries for a packege in apt-cache policy ? |
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| 06:06.52 | hongjunx | help,I changed my /usr directory to mode 777,then I can not use sudo and now I can not get into x-window!!! |
| 06:07.15 | hongjunx | how could i change it back? |
| 06:07.49 | haiti | One of my hard disk couldn't be mounted |
| 06:07.57 | predder | outlaw84, do you have mirrors in your /etc/apt/sources.list with different versions or are you sure it's not just the cache? |
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| 06:08.41 | predder | for example I've installed some sarge applications and changed my sources to etch. Now when I do an apt-cache show for the package name I get the info from the mirror and the info of the installed version too. |
| 06:08.50 | Guerin | hongjunx: reinstall |
| 06:09.00 | Guerin | hongjunx: honestly, what were you thinking? |
| 06:09.02 | hongjunx | god.... |
| 06:09.02 | haiti | I mkdir /mnt/x and then mount -o charset=uft8 /dev/hdd5 /mnt/x it says" no /mnt/x infstab |
| 06:10.08 | Guerin | haiti: you muyst either specify some stuff in fstab, or use a full mount line |
| 06:10.17 | predder | haiti, dont you need to specify a filesystem type as well if it's not in fstab? |
| 06:10.22 | haiti | a full mount line ? |
| 06:10.34 | Guerin | haiti: yes, as described in `man mount' |
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| 06:11.22 | haiti | but one of my disk can be mounted by mount -o |
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| 06:11.39 | Guerin | haiti: there must be something in fstab, then |
| 06:11.47 | Guerin | for that filesystem |
| 06:12.12 | heavensrevenge | hmm, hdparm dosent want to do it |
| 06:12.22 | Guerin | heavensrevenge: as I said, it never will. |
| 06:12.29 | heavensrevenge | it will accept the -tT options and test, but not apply an option |
| 06:12.43 | heavensrevenge | lol, yea i tried.... no cigar |
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| 06:12.51 | haiti | I edit the fstab myself, one of my disk can be ,but the other can't |
| 06:13.09 | heavensrevenge | hdparm really needs to be modified to include sda dev naming:P |
| 06:13.18 | heavensrevenge | if thats the problem... |
| 06:13.22 | outlaw84 | predder: yes I have different versions in my /etc/apt/sources.list I am trying to get cups 1.1 |
| 06:13.42 | predder | heavensrevenge, it worked fine with sda for me when specifying disk options for my laptop ;) |
| 06:13.59 | heavensrevenge | ok, well then its a usb thing |
| 06:14.03 | heavensrevenge | shes an external |
| 06:14.14 | predder | and sorry outlaw84, in that case I'm not sure short of temporarily removing the offending entries from sources.list, apt-get update then install then re-add the entries |
| 06:14.43 | Guerin | heavensrevenge: patches welcome |
| 06:14.51 | predder | hmm, I wonder if he rm -rf'd /usr as well.. |
| 06:15.10 | heavensrevenge | lol, i 1st have to learn how to code c/c++ |
| 06:15.17 | haiti | rm -rf'd /usr omg! |
| 06:15.29 | heavensrevenge | im just finding a distro home tho:) |
| 06:15.39 | Guerin | well, it's only marginally worse than chmod -R 777 /usr |
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| 06:15.48 | tenzind | hi .. does grub in etch have splash image support? |
| 06:15.54 | heavensrevenge | so far, sidux is rubbin me like my woman, the right way;), lol |
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| 06:16.02 | Guerin | heavensrevenge: you're using sidux? |
| 06:16.16 | heavensrevenge | yes i am, a fresh install as of lastnight |
| 06:16.23 | Guerin | heavensrevenge: get youre help in #sidux then - we can't support it |
| 06:16.28 | heavensrevenge | no sleep for me that night;) |
| 06:16.32 | Guerin | s/youre/your/argh |
| 06:16.34 | heavensrevenge | lol, yes im thre aswell |
| 06:16.59 | predder | lies! |
| 06:17.02 | DGnome | Can someone point me to documentation on how to configure apt to not download untrusted stuff and not to install untrusted stuff? |
| 06:17.06 | heavensrevenge | but it IS just mainly dewbian sid, i would use debian instructions to work almost perfectly with sidux, unless i researched otherwise |
| 06:17.30 | Guerin | DGnome: modern versions don't by default, unless you explicitly agree. |
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| 06:18.02 | tenzind | !splash |
| 06:18.03 | DGnome | Guerin: mmh, but I'd like make apt behave in such a way that it doesn't even ask |
| 06:18.13 | tenzind | !grub-splash |
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| 06:18.27 | Guerin | DGnome: mm, ok. it may be in man aptitude or man apt_preferences |
| 06:18.34 | Guerin | or somesuch |
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| 06:19.09 | DGnome | Guerin: ok, researchalizing on, thank you :) |
| 06:19.11 | debianix | hi, anyone can tell me where xfce4 save their sessions please |
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| 06:19.53 | debianix | for some reason when i start x, i have 2 network manager apperearing |
| 06:20.05 | Guerin | DGnome: in an xml file in ~/.xfce4/ someplace |
| 06:20.13 | Guerin | if i recall correctly |
| 06:20.27 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:20.31 | Guerin | debianix: ↑ |
| 06:20.36 | Guerin | argh |
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| 06:21.07 | debianix | the file is empty :S |
| 06:21.10 | debianix | lol brb |
| 06:21.16 | Guerin | memo to self: make sure you don't turn on the element which has a steel-and-glass-and-plastic pot lid on it when trying to make tea |
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| 06:22.15 | liable | see, if you had gotten a beer instead, that wouldn't have happened |
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| 06:22.21 | daqqal | hey guys whats new |
| 06:22.58 | Guerin | liable: so true. |
| 06:22.59 | daqqal | i made some changes in syslog.conf file, i restarted sysklogd, but my logs don't show up, what else do i have to restart for changes to take place in syslogd |
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| 06:27.31 | cat | hey how do you mount a usb hd? |
| 06:27.37 | cat | so i can play my music that i've have? |
| 06:28.48 | mrynit | hello? |
| 06:28.55 | daqqal | hello |
| 06:29.01 | haiti | hi^~ |
| 06:29.21 | mrynit | oh wrong channel |
| 06:29.34 | daqqal | wait |
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| 06:30.10 | niru_ | which package is responsible for shutdown window |
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| 06:31.59 | Guerin | niru_: what is this `shutdown window' of which you speak? |
| 06:32.37 | niru_ | Guerin, from which debian package is the shutdown window coming |
| 06:32.45 | Guerin | niru_: what is this `shutdown window' of which you speak? |
| 06:32.46 | niru_ | is it gnome panel or power manager |
| 06:33.08 | Guerin | it's not a debian thing, it depends what software you have installed |
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| 06:33.59 | niru_ | Guerin, Desktop-shutdown |
| 06:34.14 | haiti | exit |
| 06:34.23 | liable | bye bye |
| 06:34.50 | liable | doesnt the window manager handle that? (or the dm for a shutdown) |
| 06:34.59 | Guerin | yes |
| 06:35.05 | Guerin | though with gnome it could be anything |
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| 06:43.48 | fat-lobyte | hi |
| 06:44.03 | fat-lobyte | my MTA (exim4) seems to be broken |
| 06:44.06 | dawn_chorus | http://rafb.net/p/AEgKOI29.html <-- performing a "cross-install" using debootstrap_0.3.3.3_all.deb. i seem to be following the guide right. what am I overlooking? |
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| 06:44.33 | fat-lobyte | it's allways reporting that the paniclog is non-empty |
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| 06:45.34 | fat-lobyte | in the paniclog there are many lines like thins one: 2007-05-29 15:33:15 socket bind() to port 25 for address 192.168.1.67 failed: |
| 06:46.01 | fat-lobyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.30 | fat-lobyte | has anybody got an idea how to make work? |
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| 06:47.23 | dawn_chorus | i bet i'm supposed to ... |
| 06:47.51 | eat_life | what do i need to get rails working with lighttpd? |
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| 06:49.08 | dawn_chorus | yep |
| 06:49.17 | dawn_chorus | thanks for the moral support, debian. :() |
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| 06:59.34 | dimir | fat-lobyte: looks like 25 port is taken. See if other MTA is already running. |
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| 07:00.39 | Haris | Hello people |
| 07:01.05 | Haris | Surprised me when I just went to get debian. It comes out to be on 21 ISOs |
| 07:01.37 | Haris | what's in those 21 ISOs? |
| 07:01.43 | Guerin | of which you need one, or fewer |
| 07:01.50 | Guerin | Haris: lots and lots of software |
| 07:01.57 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 07:01.57 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 07:02.36 | Haris | Guerin: Can I skip those lots of software ? |
| 07:02.43 | Haris | I need to get a feel of the OS. I'm new to it |
| 07:02.50 | Haris | this distro, that is |
| 07:02.52 | Guerin | Haris: you need to read the install guide |
| 07:02.55 | Guerin | !ig |
| 07:02.55 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 07:03.12 | fat-lobyte | dpkg: lol |
| 07:03.12 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:03.12 | Guerin | Haris: install Etch (4.0) |
| 07:03.18 | Haris | damn man! 21 ISOs |
| 07:03.25 | Guerin | Haris: it's actually more than that |
| 07:03.29 | fat-lobyte | Haris: You just need the first CD ! |
| 07:03.39 | Guerin | Haris: that 21 is just for binaries - there's that again in source code |
| 07:03.45 | fat-lobyte | Haris: actually you can have the smalll netinst. CD |
| 07:03.52 | Haris | You don't say *laugh* |
| 07:04.06 | fat-lobyte | Haris: You can have as many CD's as you want |
| 07:04.09 | Guerin | We Got The Big Dicks, as the nice bot says |
| 07:04.43 | fat-lobyte | Haris: if you want to install software, you can do it from CD or from the internet repositories |
| 07:05.04 | Haris | fat-lobyte: Just like ports? |
| 07:05.08 | fat-lobyte | so dpkg is a bot then? |
| 07:05.25 | fat-lobyte | Haris: Sorry, no idea what ports is... :-) |
| 07:05.25 | Haris | or yum/up2date |
| 07:05.27 | Guerin | Haris: way less hassle than ports, also way more complex and robust. |
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| 07:05.41 | Guerin | Haris: yum/up2date were based on debian's apt |
| 07:05.53 | Haris | Guerin: That! statement definitely needs a little elaboration. I never found ports to be a hassle |
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| 07:06.22 | Guerin | Haris: well, having to build everything from source qualkifies as a hassle in my book |
| 07:06.35 | Guerin | Haris: which prts are you familiar with?> BSD/gentoo/? |
| 07:06.41 | dimir | Haris: get this thing http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso, burn it on a CD and boot from it. |
| 07:06.42 | Haris | fbsd |
| 07:07.21 | dawn_chorus | Haris, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 07:07.31 | Guerin | Haris: yeah. apt is like ports, only already built, sanely packaged and known to work together without stupid library conflicts, with all the good options enabled, and dependencies/conflicts etc. already soprted for you |
| 07:07.45 | Guerin | Haris: if you go and read the install guide you'll learn more. |
| 07:08.05 | Haris | *laugh* I'm trying to do just that |
| 07:08.12 | Guerin | !try |
| 07:08.12 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 07:08.13 | Guerin | ;) |
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| 07:08.34 | dimir | !smartass |
| 07:08.34 | dpkg | [smartass] kawfee |
| 07:09.00 | dawn_chorus | any way to make the installation guide in printable form? like, all in one page? |
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| 07:09.06 | Guerin | dpkg, no, smartass is an ass is only as smart as its masster |
| 07:09.06 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 07:09.07 | niru | Guerin, how to do syncing of my repo to debian |
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| 07:09.19 | Guerin | niru: debmirror |
| 07:09.34 | Guerin | niru: this operation is not fopr the faint of heart or the short of bandwidth |
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| 07:10.51 | niru | Guerin, ok |
| 07:11.33 | liable | dawn_chorus: they dont have a one page html version? |
| 07:11.44 | liable | it should be |
| 07:11.46 | fat-lobyte | this dpkg bot is funny... can you tell me something about it? |
| 07:11.48 | liable | available |
| 07:12.09 | dawn_chorus | liable, i call myself looking for it. i must be overlooking it. |
| 07:12.11 | Guerin | fat-lobyte: it knows lots of useful stuff and very, very much stupid stuff |
| 07:12.13 | liable | its a result of all the partially insane users in #debian |
| 07:12.28 | Guerin | fat-lobyte: representing the distilled wisdom of hashdweebians through the ages |
| 07:12.36 | Guerin | !qotd0 |
| 07:12.36 | dpkg | <greycat> I will not run it on Solaris. I will not run it in Madrid or Paris. I will not run the Enterprise. I do not like it in my eyes. |
| 07:12.53 | liable | and greycat is a classic example |
| 07:13.04 | Guerin | yes, he is greatly missed |
| 07:13.37 | fat-lobyte | Guerin: how can you add these statements to it? Is it some kind of tool not to type the same stuff over and over for newbies? |
| 07:13.49 | liable | yes |
| 07:14.40 | Guerin | fat-lobyte: /msg dpkg help; and yes. |
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| 07:14.53 | fat-lobyte | nice thing... I think i'll need it in my MSN account :) |
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| 07:16.34 | fireba11 | haha |
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| 07:18.14 | fat-lobyte | actually this thing must run on a server, and be software... So what's this program called? |
| 07:18.23 | Guerin | !blootbot |
| 07:18.41 | Guerin | anyway |
| 07:18.48 | fat-lobyte | ok thanks |
| 07:18.50 | Guerin | teh dpkg is a blootbot |
| 07:20.07 | fat-lobyte | thanks, got to go now |
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| 07:20.09 | fat-lobyte | cye |
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| 07:20.43 | esters | Hello, how can i mount a BSD (FreeBSD 6.1) partition on Debian ? |
| 07:21.37 | Guerin | esters: hm, good question. See if `mount' can do it - you might have to install some packages. |
| 07:21.51 | Guerin | but if mount contains no instructions it might not be doable |
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| 07:21.57 | cast | /usr/include/linux/ufs_fs.h |
| 07:22.08 | Guerin | that's the filesystem |
| 07:22.16 | Guerin | the partition (slice) structure is another matter |
| 07:22.20 | cast | oh. |
| 07:22.22 | dpkg | it has been said that blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot, or the latest svn has pgsql support. |
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| 07:25.12 | tarzeau | wow debian also has ipkungfu now? |
| 07:25.54 | PumpkinPie | the more packages the better |
| 07:25.55 | PumpkinPie | you know it |
| 07:26.26 | tarzeau | PumpkinPie: which package are you going to add? |
| 07:27.03 | Haris | How much disk space would a debian (LAMP+mail) dedicated server require? |
| 07:27.22 | Guerin | Haris: impossible to tell |
| 07:27.32 | tarzeau | Haris: depends how much mail you do |
| 07:27.33 | Guerin | excluding data it could be arounf 500M-1G |
| 07:27.47 | tarzeau | Guerin: data being logfiles and mails? |
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| 07:27.53 | Guerin | tarzeau: yeah |
| 07:27.54 | rmrfchik | hi |
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| 07:28.13 | tarzeau | Guerin: we got huge logs because of spammers |
| 07:28.15 | rmrfchik | I have a very very strange problem |
| 07:28.20 | rmrfchik | follows |
| 07:28.22 | liable | !log |
| 07:28.22 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 07:28.26 | liable | bah |
| 07:28.33 | liable | wtf changed that one |
| 07:28.35 | rmrfchik | I'm running debian unstable, kde |
| 07:28.38 | Haris | tarzeau: I would second that. My logs became huge because of spammers |
| 07:29.13 | rmrfchik | when I run some "heavy load" application, for example "while true; do apt-cache search cpu sched; done", dcop freezes |
| 07:29.20 | Guerin | i don't have a problem with spam |
| 07:30.07 | rmrfchik | it causes amarok to stop playing (because amarok communicate with dcop often) |
| 07:30.15 | tarzeau | Guerin: neither do we |
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| 07:31.40 | Guerin | tarzeau: i mean it doesn't clog my logs up either |
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| 07:32.06 | Guerin | rmrfchik: kde is crap, film at 11 |
| 07:32.07 | tarzeau | Guerin: you rotate them daily? have your logs numbered as in .0 , .1 ... ? |
| 07:32.46 | Guerin | tarzeau: every 2-3 days it seems |
| 07:32.47 | rmrfchik | Guerin: hehe... but dcop frozen in "select" syscall |
| 07:32.57 | rmrfchik | no kde related problem here, but kernel |
| 07:32.59 | rmrfchik | isn't |
| 07:33.29 | Guerin | rmrfchik: if dcop needs cpu time, it should run niced down below 0 |
| 07:33.39 | rmrfchik | Guerin: dcop need no cpu time |
| 07:33.40 | Guerin | it's not the kernel's fault it isn't |
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| 07:34.00 | Guerin | rmrfchik: if it didn't, it wouldn't be lagging |
| 07:34.44 | rmrfchik | Guerin: it lagging when program communicate with it |
| 07:34.45 | chowmeined | where is the public key that signed the ISO releases? |
| 07:34.56 | chowmeined | er i mean to verify the ISO releases* |
| 07:34.57 | Guerin | chowmeined: debian.org |
| 07:35.25 | chowmeined | gee you think? |
| 07:35.29 | chowmeined | where on debian.org |
| 07:35.53 | rmrfchik | Guerin: it simply stuck in "select" syscall and this is wrong, because there IS incoming data for given fds |
| 07:36.26 | DGnome | How does SecureApt work, is the key signing per repository or per package? |
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| 07:37.41 | rmrfchik | Guerin: ok, forgot about dcop and kde... can you run the following in two consoles right now? |
| 07:37.44 | rmrfchik | while true; do time apt-cache search cpu sched; done |
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| 07:38.03 | rmrfchik | Guerin: and print here average cpu total? |
| 07:38.30 | DGnome | The actual question is, If I create a repo and pgp sign it and make it trustworthy, will those who have the key be able to install any packages from that repository? |
| 07:38.41 | chowmeined | what key am i supposed to use to verify SHA1SUMS.sign? |
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| 07:38.57 | rmrfchik | for my box now I have 1.5 secs, while LA 0.6 |
| 07:39.17 | rmrfchik | and for application server with LA>50 (wow!) I have cpu total about 0.5 secs |
| 07:39.25 | rmrfchik | this is very strange, isnt't? |
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| 07:41.30 | Guerin | not really |
| 07:41.37 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:41.37 | Guerin | it depends what's causing the load averages |
| 07:41.57 | Guerin | you can have a load average over 1000 and still be 0% CPU usage |
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| 07:42.18 | rmrfchik | Guerin: nevertheless, I have freshly rebooted box, no background applications is running |
| 07:42.19 | magic_pinguim | Hello :9 |
| 07:42.21 | magic_pinguim | :) |
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| 07:43.53 | Guerin | rmrfchik: are any other processes experiencing the problem, or just stuff using dcop? |
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| 07:45.01 | rmrfchik | Guerin: as you can see -- any, because second loop has increased cpu total time |
| 07:45.39 | rmrfchik | Guerin: on another box, both loops has 0,6 sec and it doesn't depend, one or two loops are running |
| 07:46.02 | chowmeined | hey this is important |
| 07:46.09 | chowmeined | who signs the SHA1SUMs? |
| 07:46.14 | chowmeined | its not the archive key |
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| 07:50.23 | outlaw84 | how can I force remove just one package? I wanto get rid off libcupsys2 |
| 07:50.38 | rmrfchik | Guerin: any ideas? |
| 07:50.51 | cast | outlaw84: aptitude remove pkg? |
| 07:51.14 | tarzeau | outlaw84: dpkg -P --force-all thepackage |
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| 07:51.24 | darkskiez | a |
| 07:51.24 | cydork | !force-all |
| 07:51.24 | dpkg | You should never, ever have to use --force-all. If you are using unstable, and there are bugs in packages, you may need to use a specific --force option (ask me about <force-overwrite> or <confmiss>), but then you should use the precise --force option required. Using --force-depends and/or --force-conflicts is *ALWAYS* broken. Fix the offending packages or use equivs instead. |
| 07:51.24 | liable | outlaw84: why do you want to break your package system? |
| 07:52.08 | liable | as soon as you use apt-get/aptitude, it will baulk |
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| 07:53.41 | ChaosR | why does "lsb_release -c" return etch, instead of lenny? |
| 07:53.57 | tarzeau | ChaosR: because you have etch? |
| 07:54.03 | ChaosR | tarzeau: not really |
| 07:54.18 | tarzeau | ChaosR: rly? |
| 07:54.19 | liable | wtf is lsb_release? |
| 07:54.29 | tarzeau | liable: apt-cache show lsb-release |
| 07:54.30 | ChaosR | tarzeau: both computers I use (server and desktop) return etch, but are lenny |
| 07:54.41 | tarzeau | ChaosR: rly? |
| 07:54.48 | ChaosR | tarzeau: yes |
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| 07:54.57 | tarzeau | ChaosR: can i sees your sources.list ? |
| 07:55.18 | tarzeau | if you think it's a bug, file one? !BTS |
| 07:55.20 | ChaosR | tarzeau: deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib |
| 07:55.32 | tarzeau | ChaosR: and you did apt-get dist-upgrade successfully? |
| 07:55.33 | ChaosR | that's one of the lines |
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| 07:55.41 | tarzeau | ChaosR: it's not enough to have ONE of the lines |
| 07:55.50 | tarzeau | ChaosR: do you have any other lines, any with stable or etch? |
| 07:55.54 | tarzeau | or security? |
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| 07:56.04 | ChaosR | I have security, also on testing |
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| 07:56.15 | ChaosR | all are set to testing, and I have an uncommented cd-rom and unstable |
| 07:56.18 | ChaosR | commented* |
| 07:56.37 | lilferry | what is the debian linux kernel package called? |
| 07:56.47 | Lta | (just kidding ;) |
| 07:58.05 | liable | lilferry: linux-image-<version-<arch>> |
| 07:59.20 | tarzeau | ChaosR: what about what says apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 07:59.20 | tarzeau | ChaosR: and no packages on hold? |
| 07:59.21 | ChaosR | I remember it returned lenny/sid sometime ago, maybe a month |
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| 07:59.59 | liable | why wouldnt current stable be the choice? |
| 08:00.05 | ChaosR | tarzeau: dist-upgrade does nothing notable |
| 08:00.16 | lilferry | Lta, if you want old and outdated software, sure, go with 3.1 |
| 08:00.23 | liable | Lta: debian isnt ubuntu, stable actually is stable :) |
| 08:00.24 | tarzeau | ChaosR: interesting, i'm looking at bugs.debian.org/lsb-release (you should do that) |
| 08:00.46 | tarzeau | ChaosR: others have also problem lsb_release detects version incorrectly |
| 08:00.48 | Lta | i read on the release page that this one wasn't as stable as theiy were wishing |
| 08:01.00 | ChaosR | tarzeau: ok |
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| 08:05.04 | ChaosR | tarzeau: do you know a way to change the result, without modifying the source and recompile |
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| 08:05.28 | liable | heh |
| 08:05.41 | liable | jm|work: irc'ing from the firewall? |
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| 08:05.55 | ChaosR | else I'll just write an ugly script that echo's the correct information |
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| 08:06.33 | Area-51 | what package is "killall" in? |
| 08:06.50 | liable | Area-51: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:07.41 | tarzeau | Area-51: use pkill ? |
| 08:07.58 | streuner | use skill -c app. :-) |
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| 08:08.16 | ChaosR | ok, I solved the problem, what now? |
| 08:08.32 | liable | have a beer? |
| 08:08.35 | ChaosR | the fix is really easy |
| 08:08.44 | jm|work | liable: NATting |
| 08:08.52 | marc7 | liable: don't mind if I do! |
| 08:09.00 | jm|work | from the firewall/gateway |
| 08:09.09 | liable | marc7: jolly good idea, i'll join you! |
| 08:09.26 | ChaosR | simply change TESTING_CODENAME = 'etch' to TESTING_CODENAME = 'lenny' |
| 08:10.00 | laser- | I'm getting high memory usage (i.e. ~ 800 MB); as reported by `free`. I'd like to see what programs/etc. use the highest amount of mem. Any suggestions? |
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| 08:10.12 | jm|work | laser-: top? |
| 08:10.30 | jm|work | laser-: did you check how much was cached, too? |
| 08:10.32 | liable | ps? |
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| 08:11.24 | ChaosR | laser-: ps -aF |
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| 08:12.15 | laser- | thanks |
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| 08:13.13 | jm|work | ps -aF | sort -n -k 6 -r |
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| 08:17.41 | Zenox | Is there some way of telling when Apache 2.3.x is coming to Debian Unstable? |
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| 08:19.44 | tarzeau | anyone wants to try two new packages? goattracker and mm3d ? |
| 08:19.53 | tarzeau | Zenox: just wait, or ask the maintainer? |
| 08:20.04 | tarzeau | Zenox: it's not in experimental? |
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| 08:20.11 | alaya_ | check relevant dev mailing list for apache? |
| 08:20.13 | tarzeau | Zenox: there's always an option to make that package yourself |
| 08:20.17 | Zenox | tarzeau: nope, not yet anyways |
| 08:20.47 | tarzeau | Zenox: if there is a reason you rly need it, you can always file a wishlist bugreport naming the reasons why you need it, including a patch is even better |
| 08:21.00 | Zenox | tarzeau: yea.. i'll check with the maintainer first.. if it's not expected within a few weeks, i'll fix my own package instead |
| 08:21.27 | alaya_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-apache/ |
| 08:22.20 | Zenox | tarzeau: apache 2.2 does not handle wildcard certs that well and it has a bugfix in 2.3 (it's on the apache buglist).. maybe i should mention it in the wishlist @ debian too? |
| 08:23.48 | tarzeau | Zenox: dunno if you want... |
| 08:23.55 | tarzeau | Zenox: i don't use any certs w/ http |
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| 08:25.30 | Zenox | tarzeau: mm, it's some weird parse error when using wildcard certs (i think it's just occuring for amd64 platforms aswell doh).. hmm, think i'll just ask the maintainer about 2.3 and if the release is too far away i'll roll my own package instead |
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| 08:25.42 | Vyrus | how do i till bitchx to connect to a server with a password? |
| 08:25.46 | tarzeau | Zenox: that's a good idea |
| 08:25.52 | tarzeau | Vyrus: #bitchx ? |
| 08:26.01 | tarzeau | oh you're there already |
| 08:26.02 | Vyrus | tarzeau asked... 3 ppl in there :D |
| 08:26.02 | Zenox | tarzeau: yea, thanks for the input :) |
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| 08:28.37 | ronr | I try to install debian on a new system, during boot (amd64 daily build) it hangs, CTRL+C shows an error: /srv/projects/d-i/trunk/packages/cdebconf/src/debconf.c:135 (main): Cannot initialize debconf template database. |
| 08:29.02 | ronr | anyone here who knows what's wrong? (I've tried other images as well, with the same result) |
| 08:30.22 | liable | whats the switch to get a <reply> see foofactoid? |
| 08:30.31 | liable | goto foofactoid |
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| 08:32.20 | ronr | never mind, got it |
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| 08:35.31 | alaya_ | man, what happened to xrun? |
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| 08:37.19 | JosefAssad | xrun? |
| 08:37.21 | alaya_ | http://www.linux.org/apps/AppId_5068.html |
| 08:37.26 | alaya_ | but cannot find it anymore |
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| 08:37.42 | qiyong | how the multi MX work? both mail-a and mail-b can receive mails. what user clients get mail from? |
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| 08:39.12 | JosefAssad | alaya_: I use gmrun |
| 08:39.48 | alaya_ | JosefAssad: nice. will test it! thanks! |
| 08:39.58 | JosefAssad | alaya_: it isn't all that snappy, but it works just fine |
| 08:40.47 | alaya_ | oh hey i just found a grun also |
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| 08:42.51 | uthersde | hello, how is it possible to start two tools maybe firefox and gaim with a script .. |
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| 08:43.22 | Guerin | qiyong: mail-a and b will relay to a specified machine. That's where the user gets mail from. |
| 08:43.24 | mmnicolas | of course |
| 08:43.35 | uthersde | i try but the second tool only run after closing the first ... |
| 08:43.47 | Guerin | uthersde: foo& bar |
| 08:43.59 | mmnicolas | uthersde: try & between them |
| 08:44.05 | qiyong | Guerin, so it can be 3 machines |
| 08:44.17 | qiyong | Guerin, a and be relay to c |
| 08:44.27 | qiyong | Guerin, if c is down, user don't get mails |
| 08:44.30 | mmnicolas | uthersde: otherwise it act like with ; |
| 08:45.04 | qiyong | Guerin, there is only one last machine user use |
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| 08:46.10 | Guerin | qiyong: yes, although you can also have the mail mirrored across more than one machine, and use dns trickery to ensure one is always up and available. |
| 08:47.25 | uthersde | mmnicolas: ok thanks with one & its works :) |
| 08:47.30 | qiyong | Guerin, should the mail spool and user mail dir stay in the same partition? |
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| 08:47.45 | qiyong | Guerin, for performance reason |
| 08:48.40 | Guerin | qiyong: not necessarily. It depends on your setup. |
| 08:48.55 | Guerin | qiyong: the simplest system is very likely the fastest and most robust |
| 08:49.08 | Guerin | (exception: mbox) |
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| 08:50.04 | JosefAssad | I have found that, in the specific case of mail, the word "simple" itself becomes complex in linux |
| 08:50.09 | qiyong | Guerin, i'm considering if i should use a separate partition for /var/spool or /var |
| 08:50.48 | Guerin | qiyong: i wouldn't bother unless you expect to have utterly stupid amounts of mail - in which case I would take it out of /var entirely |
| 08:51.03 | Guerin | by `utterly stupid' i mean dozens of gigabytes |
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| 08:52.40 | Guerin | JosefAssad: more so than in other n?xen? |
| 08:53.22 | JosefAssad | Guerin: No experience with other unices... |
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| 08:53.39 | Guerin | JosefAssad: well, it sure is a damn sight more simpler than under windows |
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| 08:54.06 | Guerin | JosefAssad: it's much the same under other n?xen, BTW. Except I think most still use sendmail by default (eech) |
| 08:54.08 | JosefAssad | Guerin: Yes and no, IMO. It can be, and it might also not be. |
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| 08:55.14 | JosefAssad | Guerin: case in point: windows, outlook and that's it. You're done (not talking about how WELL it works, but there's no fancy footwork). You could do the same wih Evolution if you don't mind losing mail and crashing |
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| 08:55.39 | Guerin | JosefAssad: that's from the client side. Not from the server side, which is an utterly different kettle of spam. |
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| 08:55.42 | JosefAssad | Guerin: apart from the fact that, as evo uses mbox for storage, backups are huge |
| 08:55.56 | JosefAssad | Guerin: sure, I'm talking the whole mail toolchain here |
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| 08:56.06 | Guerin | JosefAssad: yes, evo is shit, because it does a poor job of copying a poor mail program. |
| 08:56.37 | JosefAssad | Guerin: problem being, some of us would actually kill their grandmother for the PIM functionality evo provides |
| 08:57.08 | Guerin | those of you have my condolences. |
| 08:57.55 | JosefAssad | I accept them gladly |
| 08:58.06 | JosefAssad | I even have to deal with an exchange account... |
| 08:58.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:58.26 | Guerin | i have to use lookout and sexchange at work |
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| 08:58.35 | Guerin | not to mention shitrix |
| 08:59.08 | Guerin | although the problems with shitrix appear largely to be caused by a couple of broken apps, rather than the infrastructure itself |
| 08:59.15 | JosefAssad | my coworkers actually use the exchange calendaring,which is where I run into trouble |
| 08:59.29 | Guerin | and the fact that 99% of my work is done in a datacentre halfway across the world |
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| 09:16.58 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:16.58 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> kinema: Always back up your data. <kinema> ricky_clarkson: interesting idea. i think i'll do that. |
| 09:17.41 | daya | how to install or upgrage to new kernel through apt-get |
| 09:18.09 | daya | I mean what will be the <pkg-name> ie. simple kernel or ? |
| 09:18.26 | liable | daya: apt-cache search linux-image |
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| 09:22.12 | daya | liable, it shows a lot including linux-headers which shoul i install |
| 09:23.29 | liable | daya: the one you want, linux-headers are only used for building modules, you want an image |
| 09:27.35 | niru_ | where can I get RTL-81695SC driver |
| 09:27.47 | liable | teh tubes |
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| 09:31.30 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 09:31.42 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 09:33.26 | qiyong | is postfix smtp client sasl widely used? |
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| 09:33.36 | qiyong | Guerin ^ |
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| 09:36.35 | RichiH | does anyone know when and if the nvidia guys will release a driver that is compatible with 2.6.20? |
| 09:37.06 | rmrfchik | RichiH: just rebuild kernel |
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| 09:37.24 | liable | RichiH: about the same time the ati guys release one for xorg7.2 :) |
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| 09:38.02 | RichiH | rmrfchik: ? |
| 09:38.16 | RichiH | liable: that might be soonish with amd at the helm, no |
| 09:38.21 | RichiH | and yah, wishful thinking |
| 09:38.34 | rmrfchik | RichiH: the problem is in some value defined in config |
| 09:38.39 | liable | RichiH: its been a known issue for a month now :( |
| 09:38.51 | nisse | Hello, what kinda security does testing have? |
| 09:38.51 | rmrfchik | RichiH: this config must be disabled. you can google for it |
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| 09:39.10 | liable | RichiH: you wouldnt think it would be so difficult to modify the way it checks for an x version |
| 09:39.22 | RichiH | liable: send them email |
| 09:39.31 | RichiH | it does not help much, but it might help a little |
| 09:40.05 | RichiH | rmrfchik: you mean i should export paravirt_ops as non-gpl? |
| 09:40.19 | rmrfchik | no, disable... |
| 09:40.35 | rmrfchik | disable feature |
| 09:40.58 | liable | heh, someone mentioned that a while ago |
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| 09:41.21 | hipodilski | ibm:~# iconv -f cp1251 -t utf8 pozv.sql > db2.sql |
| 09:41.22 | hipodilski | iconv: conversion to utf8 unsupported |
| 09:41.22 | hipodilski | iconv: try 'iconv -l' to get the list of supported encodings |
| 09:41.24 | liable | cant you just change the modules c file to export the nvidia module as gpl? |
| 09:41.37 | hipodilski | what do I need to be able to use iconv with utf8? |
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| 09:42.21 | mrsn0 | RichiH they have released a driver, there is current workarounds for the problem with para virt |
| 09:42.29 | metbsd | hi i have to learn debian now cuz my company using it for everything |
| 09:42.41 | mrsn0 | either rebuilt your kernel/sources with it removed upgrade the kernel to a newer one, or use a customised script to get around the nvid error |
| 09:42.50 | metbsd | now, how to i update things to get the latest software and shit? |
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| 09:43.03 | liable | !reference |
| 09:43.03 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 09:43.09 | liable | metbsd: ^^^ read that |
| 09:44.01 | liable | metbsd: and cuz, is spelt 'because' :P |
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| 09:44.24 | |DuReX| | how can i find UUID of swap ? |
| 09:44.28 | metbsd | im so scared cuz one of the guy just got fired cuz of the mail server down time |
| 09:44.39 | metbsd | they use debian with exim and alot of other crap |
| 09:44.49 | waqjan | liable: cuz it's less data to put through the internet |
| 09:45.03 | liable | waqjan: the tubes have lots of room |
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| 09:45.56 | nisse | How is security working in testing? |
| 09:45.59 | waqjan | liable: come over someday |
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| 09:46.16 | juice` | is there any tool to read my cpu temp in text mode? something easier to set up than sensors |
| 09:46.20 | liable | waqjan: not quite that much room.. |
| 09:46.29 | mrsn0 | juice` sensors, why is it not easy to set up ? |
| 09:46.34 | liable | waqjan: i am not an electron |
| 09:46.41 | waqjan | metbsd: I'm sure your company can afford professional support |
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| 09:46.43 | juice` | mrsn0: it suggests to compile a module i dont have |
| 09:46.49 | lekang | Im trying to use gtkterm to connect to a switch over the serial interface. Resulting only in "ttyS0: LSR safety check engaged!" in all logs. Any suggestions? |
| 09:46.49 | juice` | and is not in kernel |
| 09:46.57 | mrsn0 | juice` are you using an up to date kernel |
| 09:47.00 | mrsn0 | or a new motherboard perhaps |
| 09:47.01 | juice` | yes |
| 09:47.03 | juice` | 2.6.21 |
| 09:47.11 | juice` | motherboard has 6 months |
| 09:47.16 | juice` | at least |
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| 09:47.22 | waqjan | liable: I was joking, but when your average throughput is 15k/sec, it starts to make a differenct |
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| 09:47.30 | mrsn0 | there is a resource you can check compatibiility |
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| 09:47.32 | metbsd | waqjan, why |
| 09:47.38 | mrsn0 | buf it its telling you that you need a module, to read the sensor |
| 09:47.43 | mrsn0 | im not sure any other app can get around that |
| 09:47.48 | waqjan | metbsd: why what? |
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| 09:48.04 | metbsd | <waqjan> metbsd: I'm sure your company can afford professional support |
| 09:48.14 | liable | waqjan: an extra 5 chars in irc isnt going to flood a 15kb connection :) |
| 09:48.33 | waqjan | you know, the execs fired an admin for mail server downtime |
| 09:48.43 | mrsn0 | juice` you could try loading the thermal module maybe |
| 09:48.46 | juice` | mrsn0: thats a good point i guess |
| 09:48.52 | juice` | thermal module ? |
| 09:48.57 | mrsn0 | modprobe thermal |
| 09:48.59 | metbsd | why is it all in chinese, dam it |
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| 09:49.26 | juice` | mrsn0: Found `Winbond W83627EHF/EHG Super IO Sensors' Success! |
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| 09:49.36 | juice` | mrsn0: (address 0x290, driver `w83627ehf') |
| 09:49.42 | juice` | is there something like that in kernel? |
| 09:49.50 | paul___uk | hello, was wondering where it is that the modules that load at startup are specified? |
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| 09:49.57 | mrsn0 | that is one of the kernel modules prebuilt for you juice` |
| 09:50.01 | juice` | that's what sensors-detect wants, but i can't find it. there is w83627 but watchdog device |
| 09:50.05 | mrsn0 | but generally there are lots of sensors/moduels required |
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| 09:50.28 | liable | metbsd: i think you might want to look for alternative employment |
| 09:50.31 | tenzind | hi .. I am using etch and am wondering if grub can support splash-image |
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| 09:50.48 | metbsd | liable, why |
| 09:51.08 | liable | metbsd: save the pain |
| 09:51.13 | liable | !splashy |
| 09:51.13 | dpkg | i guess splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 09:51.21 | juice` | mrsn0: so what do i do? it says i dont have this module, and i can't find it in .config |
| 09:51.37 | liable | sure |
| 09:51.42 | mrsn0 | juice` can you paste the output of the error you get in sensors |
| 09:51.44 | liable | !tell ragedragon about away |
| 09:52.10 | juice` | mrns0: No sensors found!, Make sure you loaded all the kernel drivers you need., Try sensors-detect to find out which these are. |
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| 09:52.26 | liable | so try sensors-detect |
| 09:52.38 | juice` | i tried |
| 09:52.44 | mrsn0 | and ? :) |
| 09:52.51 | juice` | i explained already :) but ok |
| 09:52.55 | mrsn0 | please use a pastebin site juice` paste.debian.com pastebin.ca |
| 09:52.57 | metbsd | what should i put in sources.list? |
| 09:52.57 | liable | if it didnt come up with anything, then your sol |
| 09:53.07 | juice` | i dont have a module in my kernel, that is suggested by sensors-detect |
| 09:53.14 | juice` | even though i have newest kernel |
| 09:53.16 | metbsd | hey what should i put in sources.list, it's new installation and i want latest and stablest software |
| 09:53.30 | paul___uk | so when debian etch loads, where does it tell it to load the modules. i want it to stop loading a specific module but i dont k now where it gets loaded. |
| 09:53.31 | mrsn0 | juice` we need to be able to see exactly what its saying really, to assist |
| 09:53.35 | liable | metbsd: read the reference link that dpkg gave |
| 09:53.45 | xand | metbsd: latest and stablest are probably mutually exclusive :P |
| 09:53.47 | metbsd | it's all chinese, i want an english site |
| 09:53.49 | juice` | mrsn0: but i pasted it here, it was only 3 lines |
| 09:54.00 | xand | !sources.list |
| 09:54.00 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 09:54.01 | juice` | mrsn0: want me to paste this message about the module not loaded again ? |
| 09:54.08 | liable | metbsd: wtf, what url did you go to? |
| 09:54.13 | smtlaissezfaire | What happened to apache2-ssl-certificate, which used to be apart of the apache2 package? |
| 09:54.13 | metbsd | ok, so i want it to be somewhat stable and somewhat latest |
| 09:54.16 | metbsd | is that possible? |
| 09:54.22 | metbsd | are you mutually existing |
| 09:54.27 | juice` | mrsn0: it's the problem with module. i dobnt have correct module loaded. i need module 'w83627ehf' |
| 09:54.27 | mrsn0 | juice` paste the output of running both apps that got you this far please |
| 09:54.34 | liable | retard |
| 09:54.34 | metbsd | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.zh-cn.html#s5.3.2 |
| 09:54.46 | metbsd | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ |
| 09:54.51 | mrsn0 | w83627ehf is an I2C chip, so maybe you have missed something |
| 09:54.54 | liable | metbsd: and why did you click on that link? |
| 09:55.05 | metbsd | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ is all chinese |
| 09:55.22 | juice` | mrsn0: could you paste the name of the option from .config ? |
| 09:55.33 | liable | metbsd: not here |
| 09:56.12 | mrsn0 | juice` according to http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Devices that winbond chip is supported and should be built as a module |
| 09:56.44 | mrsn0 | for the kernel, so try modprobe w83627ehf |
| 09:56.48 | |DuReX| | can't u mount swap with UUID ? |
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| 09:59.36 | mrsn0 | if you have a dynamic /dev juice` then you first need to modprobe i2c-dev before running sensors-detect |
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| 09:59.36 | mrsn0 | otherwise (on older systems) you need to MAKEDEV i2c in the dev folder, as per the documentation |
| 09:59.36 | metbsd | so i don't know what to put in sources.list |
| 09:59.42 | metbsd | i know sources.list is the key to apt-get |
| 09:59.55 | paul___uk | where is it that modules are told to load when etch boots? |
| 10:00.19 | mrsn0 | paul___uk /etc/modules |
| 10:00.32 | paul___uk | before that |
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| 10:02.32 | paul___uk | i have a module that keeps loading at bootup and i cant modprobe it beacuse it is in use. I need to know where to look to stop it from loading. It loads befor etc/modules. |
| 10:03.49 | JosefAssad | paul___uk: I think if you google for modules blacklist you ought to be on the right path |
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| 10:04.38 | xand | paul___uk: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 10:04.52 | paul___uk | it doesnt work, iv tried blacklisting it |
| 10:04.58 | xand | what module? |
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| 10:05.43 | avizor | hi all uda4negi |
| 10:05.51 | Odeptushko | kuku |
| 10:05.57 | Odeptushko | preved medvedi |
| 10:06.06 | avizor | 4o tak tut tiho? |
| 10:06.13 | avizor | ya medved ) |
| 10:06.25 | Odeptushko | a ya krivetko |
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| 10:06.29 | Odeptushko | =)) |
| 10:06.47 | avizor | krevedko vsemu golova |
| 10:06.52 | xand | english only please. |
| 10:06.55 | Odeptushko | doooo |
| 10:07.25 | xand | !ru |
| 10:07.25 | dpkg | from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 10:07.25 | Odeptushko | there is who alive? |
| 10:07.29 | avizor | don't speak english |
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| 10:08.06 | avizor | windows forever %) |
| 10:08.11 | avizor | linux must die ) |
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| 10:08.22 | Odeptushko | buggagag |
| 10:08.24 | JosefAssad | troll, diet |
| 10:08.36 | Odeptushko | !ops avizor troll |
| 10:08.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: odeptushko complains about: avizor troll |
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| 10:08.38 | Odeptushko | %))) |
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| 10:11.50 | liable | might as well kick his buddy as well |
| 10:12.04 | metbsd | someone tell me a mirror in china please, i want fast! |
| 10:12.13 | petemc | kick that clown too.. |
| 10:12.21 | liable | agreed |
| 10:12.45 | petemc | kick everyone! |
| 10:12.58 | mynullvoid | ha ha ha |
| 10:13.10 | liable | be kinda quiet |
| 10:13.31 | mynullvoid | well I at GMT+8 |
| 10:13.51 | mynullvoid | so kinda evening here |
| 10:13.59 | nikns | any ideas why vncserver listens on tcp6 but not on tcp4? |
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| 10:14.58 | liable | mynullvoid: perth? |
| 10:15.12 | alaya_ | gmrun is great |
| 10:15.13 | mynullvoid | .my |
| 10:15.28 | liable | where .my? |
| 10:15.32 | liable | !.my |
| 10:15.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, .my is Malaysia |
| 10:15.35 | liable | ah |
| 10:15.48 | mynullvoid | been here? |
| 10:15.50 | alaya_ | i am loving this |
| 10:15.56 | liable | not yet |
| 10:15.57 | Odeptushko | fuckkk |
| 10:16.08 | mynullvoid | it's nice here |
| 10:16.23 | mynullvoid | got a lot of deb guys here |
| 10:16.47 | mynullvoid | alaya_: you sound like McD "D |
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| 10:18.21 | alaya_ | mynullvoid: i'm going retro with openbox and fbpanel, and gmrun kicks ass with it |
| 10:18.35 | Odeptushko | freebsd forever |
| 10:18.45 | Odeptushko | muhahahaha |
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| 10:19.21 | alaya_ | i forgot how clean it feels to be using a minimalist desktop |
| 10:20.16 | liable | Odeptushko: you are likely to go the way of your friend if you keep it up |
| 10:20.25 | mynullvoid | yeah |
| 10:20.37 | frogonwheels | anybody have any tips for a wireless network where the connecting device doesn't get through until I ping it from the linux box? |
| 10:21.09 | mynullvoid | you ping from where? |
| 10:21.20 | alaya_ | arp issue with the switch? |
| 10:21.33 | alaya_ | oh wireless. sorry. |
| 10:21.45 | frogonwheels | yeah could be arp but can't see apr of wireless device |
| 10:22.02 | unlink | what book would you recommend to linux beginners looking to use debian? |
| 10:22.16 | liable | !reference |
| 10:22.16 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 10:22.21 | liable | unlink: ^^ that one |
| 10:22.21 | alaya_ | unlink: "running linux" is a good all-around book |
| 10:22.40 | frogonwheels | mynullvoid: ping from the linux box to the device (phone) |
| 10:22.41 | alaya_ | unlink: then there's a lot of debian docs. check the wiki, etc. |
| 10:23.13 | alaya_ | unfortunately that reference is getting kind of old |
| 10:23.22 | unlink | liable: i'm looking for something that's aimed towards people with only a very cursory idea of linux, people who don't understand permissions, mountpoints, etc... |
| 10:23.39 | frogonwheels | alaya_, mynullvoid I'm not big on the workings of arp etc |
| 10:23.49 | alaya_ | unlink: "running linux" is what you want then |
| 10:23.53 | liable | unlink: any general linux reference will do in that case, as its not debian specific |
| 10:24.10 | frogonwheels | if I do arp -a on the linux box just after I ping the device - there's an entry .. |
| 10:24.20 | Odeptushko | how can I patch KDE under FreeBSD? |
| 10:24.28 | frogonwheels | but when that times out, I can still browse round - so it's probably not the arrp. |
| 10:24.36 | liable | Odeptushko: go away |
| 10:24.40 | unlink | right, but it would be helpful to have screenshots etc that apply to debian. many linux books for example will walk you through fedora-specific administrative tools, etc |
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| 10:24.55 | alaya_ | frogonwheels: i'm not sure what you explained earlier. what can't connect to what until what pings what? |
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| 10:25.33 | alaya_ | unlink: my advice is start at the beginning and be patient, and take a lot of notes |
| 10:25.53 | frogonwheels | ok - rt2400 wireless card on a linux box. Phone with WLan ability and browsing. |
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| 10:26.05 | dog | hi |
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| 10:26.14 | alaya_ | unlink: and try to write down good questions for things you don't know, then find the answers and keep doing that |
| 10:26.14 | frogonwheels | phone connects to linux box via wlan (ad-hoc with secret key) |
| 10:26.24 | frogonwheels | but times out unless I ping the phone from the linux box first |
| 10:26.28 | dog | i've a problem with my video card using sidux |
| 10:26.38 | dog | someone use it? |
| 10:26.45 | unlink | alaya_: of course, but to a newbie, linux problem solving is not an obvious process. |
| 10:27.24 | alaya_ | unlink: no, but the basic problem-solving methods and tools are the same, so you have a base to build from |
| 10:27.35 | frogonwheels | alaya_: did that help? |
| 10:27.55 | alaya_ | unlink: and once you get involved and get even a little momentum, it builds fast |
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| 10:28.06 | alaya_ | frogonwheels: thinking... |
| 10:28.51 | alaya_ | frogonwheels: is there some kind of shell on the phone or what? |
| 10:29.16 | unlink | alaya_: perhaps, but for a newbie who doesn't know about strace, syslog, dmesg, stderr, man pages, etc., how are you supposed to debug something like a camera not automounting or gdm not starting? |
| 10:29.40 | unlink | alaya_: the wealth of problem solving tools and approaches specific to linux are far from obvious |
| 10:30.07 | alaya_ | unlink: you probably can't do it all at once or, even if you could, it would be too exhaustive. i would start with more fundamental building blocks and basic tools and build out |
| 10:30.24 | frogonwheels | alaya_: no shell on the phone that I can find |
| 10:30.39 | alaya_ | unlink: for example, start with basic networking things - basic connectivity tests, connection settings, etc. |
| 10:30.39 | frogonwheels | it's a symbian phone |
| 10:30.45 | liable | frogonwheels: what exactly are you doing? sounds interesting |
| 10:31.05 | frogonwheels | my phone has ability to connect to internet via wlan. |
| 10:31.12 | alaya_ | frogonwheels: i really don't have any idea. i don't know enough about ad-hoc networking really. |
| 10:31.16 | frogonwheels | but it doesn't connect until I picg it. |
| 10:31.19 | frogonwheels | ping it |
| 10:31.42 | frogonwheels | I'm not sure it's a specifically wireless problem, or a general network problem. |
| 10:32.16 | alaya_ | unlink: for example, take a simple problem of connecting two machines together via tcp/ip - how do you configure each interface? how do you know each interface is up? how can you test to see if one is connected to the other? etc. |
| 10:32.39 | unlink | alaya_: well, the person i'm shopping for is using NetworkManager |
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| 10:32.50 | frogonwheels | alaya_: What causes a packet to be dropped by the receiving end? |
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| 10:33.43 | alaya_ | frogonwheels: i can only suggest running things like tcpdump on the linux box and watching for things. try to analyze what is going where and where it fails |
| 10:33.57 | frogonwheels | alaya_: NO packets get through until the ping |
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| 10:34.11 | frogonwheels | tcpdump is silent until I ping the phone. |
| 10:34.27 | frogonwheels | ( at least I was able to set a static IP on the phone :)) |
| 10:35.14 | alaya_ | frogonwheels: what happens if you use Managed mode instead of Ad-hoc? |
| 10:35.40 | frogonwheels | the phone won't see it... |
| 10:35.50 | frogonwheels | but I may not have it set up properly. |
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| 10:36.00 | frogonwheels | The phone seems to support.. err um... |
| 10:36.09 | alaya_ | can't the phone be configured to use managed mode? |
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| 10:36.57 | frogonwheels | .. infrastructure mode - which I _think_ is the same as managed mode. |
| 10:37.04 | alaya_ | yep |
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| 10:38.07 | frogonwheels | do you know if I have to set up different stuff for managed mode? |
| 10:38.24 | dog | hi, i'm in trouble with my nvidia card under sidux |
| 10:38.45 | alaya_ | normally you tell it the name of the AP, wep key if needed |
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| 10:39.32 | dog | it not show to me resolution upper then 1024*768 |
| 10:39.32 | alaya_ | should be able to set it to obtain ip address, gw, and ns info automatically via dhcp |
| 10:40.00 | frogonwheels | yeah - but dhcp packet doesn't get through... |
| 10:40.18 | frogonwheels | remember that NO packets get through (zero 0, none, nothing) until the ping from the box |
| 10:40.30 | alaya_ | we're talking about your AP being the DHCP server, correct? |
| 10:40.35 | frogonwheels | my wireless card is giving me grief with managed mode |
| 10:40.58 | frogonwheels | yeah - but no packets get trhough - so if there is a DHCP request -I'm not seeing it. |
| 10:41.05 | frogonwheels | RX packets = 0 until I ping it. |
| 10:41.10 | alaya_ | forget the linux box for a minute, can the phone associate with the AP and get a lease from it? |
| 10:41.23 | litage | how do you determine the current version/revision # for a cvs repository? |
| 10:41.36 | alaya_ | if it can't do that then there's some issue with the phone |
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| 10:42.05 | frogonwheels | .. could it be some config on the card throwing the packets away? |
| 10:42.15 | alaya_ | frogonwheels: no idea |
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| 10:43.03 | alaya_ | frogonwheels: what card do you mean? |
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| 10:44.02 | frogonwheels | the wireless card rt2400 |
| 10:44.12 | alaya_ | in the phone? |
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| 10:44.26 | frogonwheels | no - linux box |
| 10:44.48 | alaya_ | i wouldn't worry about the linux box until you know the phone associates with the AP in infrastructure mode |
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| 10:45.22 | alaya_ | you should also be able to log in to the AP and see if the phone is associated with it |
| 10:45.46 | frogonwheels | the linux box is the ap |
| 10:46.16 | alaya_ | frogonwheels: have you set it up to work with other wireless clients successfully? |
| 10:46.21 | frogonwheels | Nope |
| 10:47.01 | alaya_ | yeah i would do that first, make sure you have it working in Master mode first with other clients which are easier to test |
| 10:47.16 | alaya_ | or just buy a cheap AP |
| 10:47.28 | alaya_ | which might simplify things a lot |
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| 10:47.56 | alaya_ | with the phone you lack the tools you need to debug problems |
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| 10:48.21 | alaya_ | i would only configure it when you know you have the network working |
| 10:49.02 | frogonwheels | fair enough. |
| 10:49.09 | frogonwheels | unfortunately nothing else I can use. |
| 10:49.11 | frogonwheels | *sigh* |
| 10:49.14 | frogonwheels | thanks for you help. |
| 10:50.05 | alaya_ | sorry i can't be more helpful |
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| 10:50.37 | rokra | Someone know a soft to check the traffic on a hub and display bandwidth used by traffic? |
| 10:50.37 | frogonwheels | you've been some help |
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| 10:51.55 | alaya_ | rokra: a tool like flowscan ? |
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| 10:58.07 | rokra | alaya_: it s ok I used tcptrack which work very good , you knew it? |
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| 10:59.46 | mhall | My property manager was being a total bitch, sending me an unbelievably rude notice for $45 of underpayment on my cable bill, when I'd been doing it five months based on their directions according to the price change sheet I got when my lease expired. So I am attaching an extremely diplomatic friendly handwritten letter to my rent check informing her of this, and wondering if she were aware of the undiplomatic tone of the notices sent ou |
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| 11:00.42 | mhall | This is the first time I responded to an asshole with a friendly letter. A good experiment I think... |
| 11:01.42 | mynullvoid | I download a package with .pkg extension, how do I handle it? |
| 11:01.50 | tarzeau | mynullvoid: file the.pkg |
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| 11:02.25 | mhall | mynullvoid: hmm that makes me think slowlaris |
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| 11:03.04 | mhall | mynullvoid: alien could possibly deal with it if true |
| 11:03.23 | mhall | mynullvoid: pkg is supported with alien if you have pkginfo pkgtrans from sysv |
| 11:04.00 | mynullvoid | mhall: previously I used other converter, can't recall the name |
| 11:04.29 | mhall | mynullvoid: sorry i'm not following you on the converter bit |
| 11:04.48 | mhall | mynullvoid: or are you meaning you once unpacked one but forgot how |
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| 11:05.17 | mhall | !nickometer ||arifaX |
| 11:05.23 | dpkg | '||arifaX' is 46.000% lame, mhall |
| 11:05.47 | mynullvoid | no |
| 11:05.49 | Alarm | whats that ? :) |
| 11:05.59 | Alarm | !nickometer Alarm |
| 11:06.01 | dpkg | 'Alarm' is 0.000% lame, alarm |
| 11:06.08 | Alarm | damn i am so lame |
| 11:06.09 | mynullvoid | besides than using alien, there is another package that I use to convert to deb |
| 11:06.19 | ||arifaX | ?? |
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| 11:09.43 | jakub_ | hi please |
| 11:09.46 | jakub_ | i have infra COM port |
| 11:09.49 | jakub_ | infra cable to it |
| 11:09.53 | jakub_ | and i have remote control |
| 11:09.56 | jakub_ | how to install it on linux :-) |
| 11:10.05 | jakub_ | i want to play Mp3`s by remote control |
| 11:10.07 | jakub_ | etc.. etc.. |
| 11:10.49 | mhall | mynullvoid: what is the contents |
| 11:11.02 | mhall | jakub_: the driver for that stuff is called lirc i think |
| 11:11.19 | jakub_ | lirc ? |
| 11:11.25 | jakub_ | it`s some 4 irc ? |
| 11:11.36 | jakub_ | aaha |
| 11:11.37 | jakub_ | okay |
| 11:11.37 | jakub_ | thankz |
| 11:11.38 | mhall | jakub_: no. *not* to do with irc. |
| 11:11.46 | mynullvoid | meaning? |
| 11:11.55 | mhall | !jfgi jakub_ lirc |
| 11:12.05 | mhall | !justfuckinggoogleit jakub_ lirc |
| 11:12.05 | jakub_ | thx |
| 11:12.10 | jakub_ | yeees i have it |
| 11:12.13 | jakub_ | i said thx |
| 11:12.17 | xand | !enter |
| 11:12.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 11:12.21 | mhall | ~thx |
| 11:12.36 | apt | np, or eeeerrruuusssshhhwwwaaaaaAAAAAAAAA!!!!11 |
| 11:12.36 | mhall | !thx |
| 11:12.36 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 11:12.45 | mynullvoid | well when I alien a .pkg package it's says Unknown type of package |
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| 11:12.47 | liable | attack of the grammar nazis! |
| 11:12.56 | mhall | liable: not rly. ;-) |
| 11:13.14 | mhall | mynullvoid: probably pkginfo and pkgtrans have gone missing |
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| 11:14.49 | Alarm | is there any html ide that i can use under debian ? well not something like bluefish, i dont want to handle with source html but to be able to drag and drop buttons, radio buttons and so on |
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| 11:17.11 | mhall | Alarm: unlikely. unix users and especially developers are purists. |
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| 11:17.40 | mhall | Alarm: perhaps there is some eclipse plugin... eclipse is multiplatform so the windows people may have done something that can do the trick |
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| 11:18.08 | Alarm | i will try eclipse |
| 11:18.26 | Alarm | although its a java ide , dont know if it can handle html |
| 11:19.23 | selim | hi can someone help me with this samba problem: wbinfo -t/-u/-g gives me a checking the trust secret via RPC calls failed |
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| 11:19.38 | selim | I try to connect samba via ads with a server 2003 |
| 11:19.46 | toicontento | Alarm, try nvu |
| 11:20.05 | Alarm | okie, i will |
| 11:20.19 | Alarm | nvu... dont see it in the repo. guess i will need to install the source |
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| 11:20.48 | toicontento | to see what it can do --> http://www.nvu.com/ |
| 11:23.23 | mynullvoid | mhall: I can't convert the .pkg to deb |
| 11:23.38 | mynullvoid | I also can't find other package you said just now |
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| 11:26.10 | mmike_ | !kernel-mantra |
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| 11:28.56 | soenke | hi |
| 11:29.38 | soenke | is it somehow possible to get back into the installer main menu if one step hangs ("retrieving packages" / network install) and choose another mirror? |
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| 11:30.04 | soenke | if not, I'd have to reboot and do all steps before again |
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| 11:32.35 | mhall | Alarm: that's why it has plugins! other languages... |
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| 11:35.19 | geo-rge | can I get firebug for etch's firefox? |
| 11:35.30 | geo-rge | if so... what's the package name |
| 11:36.36 | liable | soenke: it should time out and then you can go back |
| 11:37.00 | soenke | it didn't for ~20 minutes |
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| 11:37.39 | soenke | i killed the processes via busybox shell |
| 11:37.55 | soenke | then debian-installer was restarted again by init |
| 11:37.56 | Joelio | geo-rge - isn't it an extension? |
| 11:38.09 | geo-rge | duno what it is exactly |
| 11:38.14 | geo-rge | a plugin? |
| 11:38.15 | soenke | but now it doesn't respond to keyboard input anymore |
| 11:38.22 | Joelio | yes, I think you install it via firefox |
| 11:38.22 | durre | can anyone pm me.. just testing |
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| 11:38.28 | soenke | liable: any idea? ;) |
| 11:38.30 | Joelio | don't think it's packaged into dpkg |
| 11:38.53 | geo-rge | how do you do that? |
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| 11:39.06 | soenke | brb |
| 11:39.39 | Joelio | geo-rge: dude, there is a thing called google you know |
| 11:39.40 | Joelio | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 |
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| 11:40.48 | whaq | jfgi |
| 11:41.17 | liable | soenke: easiest thing would be to just reboot, install base without net and then upgrade afterwards |
| 11:42.01 | liable | soenke: debian-installers are fixed with voodoo and sacrifices ;) |
| 11:42.07 | geo-rge | yeah, I did that |
| 11:42.13 | geo-rge | installed it |
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| 11:42.19 | geo-rge | now what? :) |
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| 11:43.03 | geo-rge | ahh, now what == there's a new menu in tools |
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| 11:43.39 | geo-rge | they finally sacrificed that cow? |
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| 11:48.02 | geo-rge | Joelio: works now. thanks |
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| 11:48.23 | geo-rge | now I just need a better javascript tutorial than http://www.javascriptmall.com/learn/contents.htm |
| 11:49.19 | Joelio | geo-rge: jfgi ;) |
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| 11:49.54 | geo-rge | that's how I found the first one |
| 11:50.11 | geo-rge | so NOW, I'd actually like some recommendations |
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| 11:50.59 | xand | #javascript? |
| 11:51.15 | geo-rge | yeah, been there |
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| 11:51.40 | geo-rge | they do answer questions lots of times |
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| 11:52.22 | Joelio | geo-rge: well, you'll find better suggestions for javasript there than #debain.. but that's another matter |
| 11:52.42 | geo-rge | !debain |
| 11:52.43 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
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| 11:53.09 | Joelio | haha |
| 11:53.16 | JarJarBinks | :) |
| 11:53.19 | geo-rge | but seriously :) thank you for helping me get this far |
| 11:53.33 | possie | is there a sort of webinterface where debian can connect to so i get all information about which packages are installed, which system needs updates etc, just like redhat network acctually? but then for debian systems |
| 11:54.13 | Joelio | possie: there's probably something for webmin |
| 11:54.13 | geo-rge | well |
| 11:54.16 | maddash | ssh? |
| 11:54.17 | geo-rge | you're sure you want that kind of stuff published about your machine? |
| 11:54.37 | possie | geo-rge, well ofcourse for your own usage, not publicly on the internet |
| 11:55.01 | JosefAssad | geo-rge: with convenient links to security vilnerability bulletins for each package. Yes, I like this idea. |
| 11:55.51 | JarJarBinks | how do I restore grub the currently running GNU/Linux, I have two different distros on this machine, and this one (the debian) was there first, and installed grub ... then the second distro came and overwrote grub... now I want to restore the grub as debian made it (I tried dpkg-reconfigure grub) but it did not seem to change anything |
| 11:56.22 | geo-rge | I'd like to see it work like this... you upload output of dpkg --set-selections to the website, and it does as much of that as it can |
| 11:56.22 | Xires | grub-install |
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| 11:56.59 | JarJarBinks | Xires: thanks |
| 11:57.49 | liable | grub-install /dev/foo |
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| 12:04.04 | MattJ | Hi all. Are the apt sources in sources.list checked in order? For example, if I have a CD that I want to be checked first, will placing it's entry at the top of the file make sure of that? |
| 12:04.12 | MattJ | If not, is there another way? |
| 12:04.21 | smtlaissezfaire | exit |
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| 12:05.08 | liable | MattJ: i believe it reads from top down, yeah |
| 12:05.15 | MattJ | liable: Thanks |
| 12:05.36 | JarJarBinks | thank you guys ( liable , Xires ) just rebooted with grub from debian :( |
| 12:05.39 | JarJarBinks | s/(/) |
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| 12:06.12 | liable | / |
| 12:06.20 | JarJarBinks | s/($/)/ |
| 12:06.25 | ma3x | once I backup something with level 'full', what do I choose after - incremental or differential? |
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| 12:07.27 | JarJarBinks | ma3x: what do you use to backup with (dirvish?) |
| 12:07.37 | ma3x | JarJarBinks, flexbackup |
| 12:07.46 | JarJarBinks | ok |
| 12:08.06 | ma3x | JarJarBinks, I don't know what incremental does and differental |
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| 12:08.46 | yosef | Hi |
| 12:09.44 | ma3x | it offers a level of backup from 0 - 9 . i know that zero is a full backup, what about 1-9? |
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| 12:09.51 | Xires | JarJarBinks; no prob |
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| 12:13.50 | soenke | liable: I've just the business-card netinstall, I guess that's not enough for the installer for a working base system?! |
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| 12:14.07 | Joelio | ma3x: checkout rsnapshot, I swear by it |
| 12:14.12 | liable | soenke: ah, no, its not. |
| 12:14.37 | liable | soenke: net-install can do base without net, but the business card needs net |
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| 12:16.02 | soenke | ah ok |
| 12:16.12 | soenke | thx so far, liable |
| 12:16.36 | liable | np, not that I have helped much ;) |
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| 12:18.00 | ArkoldThos | how i change into vertical the page of openoffice? |
| 12:18.26 | liable | portrait? |
| 12:18.44 | soenke | the problem is that it's a server in china (installation via remote console) and the connections an china suck. us mirror is not reachable, taiwan mirror had errors etc. and each time there is an error I have to redo all installations step like network setup, harddisk layout and encryption via this slow connection ... |
| 12:18.52 | ArkoldThos | liable, how ? |
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| 12:19.11 | liable | ArkoldThos: should be in some sort of layout menu |
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| 12:19.54 | liable | soenke: try the .jp mirror? |
| 12:20.09 | xand | ArkoldThos: Format -> Page |
| 12:21.10 | soenke | liable: and the other thing is that the installation is without mediums. I use harddisk-boot (hd-media) and the iso image located in the same place. so there isn't any place left for bigger isos (because the space is used for my partitions afterwards) |
| 12:21.26 | ArkoldThos | xand, thanks |
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| 12:22.10 | liable | soenke: ya, you need a working mirror from the sounds of it. |
| 12:22.26 | soenke | is .jp good? any experiences? |
| 12:22.27 | liable | why do i vaguely recall that the installer can check for a fast mirror? |
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| 12:22.52 | yarddog | im running 1440x900 in widescreen lcd, my fonts are blurry, ive tried several adjustments, is there font i may be missing? |
| 12:23.35 | soenke | the .tw mirror was more or less fast but at the installtion of dm and crypt packages there was some package validation error |
| 12:23.45 | liable | soenke: i live in .au, and mirrors from .jp are usually good, no idea from your end though |
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| 12:29.16 | netdrake | davidisko: |
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| 12:31.36 | metbsd | come on debian, vim version is only 7.0? bsd is using 7.1 now |
| 12:31.39 | soenke | liable: I'll try .jp |
| 12:31.47 | hkBst | hi, could someone point me to a doc that explains why and how of debian/rules files? |
| 12:31.53 | davidisko | netdrake: ? |
| 12:32.08 | liable | !nmg |
| 12:32.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 12:32.21 | liable | hkBst: ^^ the nmg goes into it |
| 12:32.31 | hkBst | thanks liable |
| 12:32.35 | liable | np |
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| 12:33.37 | netdrake | davidisko: im only greet you :) |
| 12:34.37 | davidisko | netdrake: who are you? |
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| 12:39.51 | fantomas1 | Hello. Sorry for offtopic, how to the list of all modules available in a CVS storage? |
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| 12:39.57 | maddash | heh, this place is getting stranger by the day |
| 12:39.57 | fantomas1 | how to get* |
| 12:40.10 | maddash | fantomas1: man cvs |
| 12:40.19 | fantomas1 | maddash: already |
| 12:40.23 | fantomas1 | maddash: cant' find |
| 12:40.39 | maddash | fantomas1: then keep re-reading until you can |
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| 12:42.35 | abrotman | fantomas1: ask #cvs ? |
| 12:43.44 | fantomas1 | maddash: can you help? if there is special switch for this, I think it allocates 1 or 2 bytes. The time to type it here takes a couple of ms. Why you wasting your time? :) |
| 12:44.01 | fantomas1 | abrotman: I did actually, before joining this channel ) |
| 12:44.44 | nikns | when installing debian set lang to us.utf8, now it causes problems, any way to change that? |
| 12:45.07 | fantomas1 | nikns: what kind of problems? |
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| 12:45.40 | nikns | when running xen in hvm virtualization, it looks like keyboard mapping is not qwerty, but something else |
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| 12:52.16 | SoftIce | hi hmm, how can I use harden-server with proftp? |
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| 12:52.35 | SoftIce | when using it wants to remove proftpd. is there a way to use harden-servers without removing proftpd? |
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| 12:55.02 | spheard | whats the debian tracepath? |
| 12:55.04 | lord_rob | HI ! Is it possible to know if a bus is usb1 or usb2 using /proc ? (or any other software only mean) |
| 12:55.42 | spheard | iputils-tracepath :-) |
| 12:56.39 | liable | lord_rob: i would imagine it would be in there somewhere. dmesg should tell you |
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| 12:56.45 | liable | as well |
| 12:57.17 | utopiah | hello |
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| 12:57.42 | simonrvn | SoftIce: maybe there's something wrong with proftpd? ;) |
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| 12:59.12 | maddash | haha...proftpd is too soft... |
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| 12:59.39 | SoftIce | simonrvn: i know it finds it insecure, but i've completed stripped the banner, and its open to 1 specified host. |
| 12:59.53 | SoftIce | so no its not a threat, that is why i asked my question as to keep proftp but install the harden-servers |
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| 13:00.11 | simonrvn | i'm not the one to argue with ;) |
| 13:00.34 | SoftIce | nothing to argue, just asking how to avoid the package conflicting dep. |
| 13:00.50 | SoftIce | eg: apt-get install packge --no-deps |
| 13:01.02 | simonrvn | either not use proftpd or not use harden-servers. simple as that |
| 13:01.02 | SoftIce | something like that, its a simple debian administration question. as i'm new to debian. |
| 13:01.31 | simonrvn | that would be unwise |
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| 13:02.06 | SoftIce | simonrvn: yous sound like a windows user, not a unix user, more like you can't do this, because a certain package says you shouldn't. |
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| 13:02.48 | simonrvn | SoftIce: your psychological projections onto me i can do without, tyvm |
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| 13:03.14 | nyk2005 | When I started a (longrunning) job on a xterm console on an other server, how can I bring it into background (like with nohup)? |
| 13:03.18 | simonrvn | i.e., stfu n00b |
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| 13:03.42 | menke | nyk2005: screen |
| 13:03.58 | nyk2005 | but first ctrl-something... |
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| 13:04.14 | menke | crtl + a + d |
| 13:04.31 | liable | SoftIce: the debian devs have good reasons for making conflicts |
| 13:04.35 | nyk2005 | I mean it's already running, I wanted to debug it, but it was already ok, and runs now.. |
| 13:04.42 | SoftIce | screen -r |
| 13:04.56 | simonrvn | SoftIce: there's a valid reason for these deps, what you think should be doable and the reasoning behind the deps don't match. i speak from experience, not cluebieness, like you did. |
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| 13:05.29 | nyk2005 | menke: does not react to ctrl+a+d, I screen it from another login now.. |
| 13:05.46 | simonrvn | SoftIce: so you can either take my advice, or not, up to you. but don't start bitching at me when the deps don't let you do what you want to do |
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| 13:06.26 | SoftIce | simonrvn: and you don't understand my postion. my proftpd installation is secure! it spoofs a MS FTP (banner) my host spoofs a Windows 2003 Server, the box is cloaked. all I want is t use the harden package, so based on debian administration and the way the package manager works, i'm asking for a string to ignore dep +ERR messages. |
| 13:06.44 | simonrvn | SoftIce: you don't understand that i don't care. make up your mind |
| 13:07.19 | tarzeau | there was someone with many kernels in /boot and keeping the place slim |
| 13:07.33 | liable | SoftIce: forcing the package will break apt, you can recompile the package and remove the conflict if you really must |
| 13:07.33 | simonrvn | SoftIce: if you really wanty both, i suggest you download the deb for harden-servers, and read its contents, and emulate the functionality |
| 13:07.34 | tarzeau | that's how i do it: http://debian.ethz.ch/d-i/dphys-config-kernels.disabled |
| 13:07.43 | maddash | SoftIce: compile your own harden server (xor proftpd) and install it manually. |
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| 13:08.20 | SoftIce | so use dpkg -i and force the installation |
| 13:08.23 | simonrvn | or ignore me. whatever |
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| 13:08.28 | maddash | SoftIce: it's quite simple to aptitude source [pkg] and remove the conflict from the 'debian/control' file |
| 13:08.41 | SoftIce | maddash: thank you |
| 13:08.49 | abrotman | maddash: don't tell people to do that |
| 13:08.56 | simonrvn | !lart maddash |
| 13:08.57 | abrotman | i'm sure it conflicts for a good reason |
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| 13:09.20 | lord_rob | liable: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices tells me (Bus=05 Spd=480 Ver= 2.00) (Bus=04 Spd=12 Ver= 1.10) (of course it is very much summarized in order not to flood and it is irrevelant). Do you think this "file" tells me which device is usb 1 and which device is usb 2 ? |
| 13:09.37 | simonrvn | abrotman: yes, and i know why. it's got h0les |
| 13:09.41 | maddash | SoftIce: you're welcome. |
| 13:09.48 | SoftIce | who cares if it conflits it feels that proftp is insecure due to passing its password in plaintext |
| 13:09.50 | abrotman | SoftIce: does harden-server conflict with all ftpds ? |
| 13:09.52 | liable | lord_rob: device, as in connected device? |
| 13:09.58 | simonrvn | or did.... hasn't a good history |
| 13:10.04 | abrotman | !conflicts harden-server etch |
| 13:10.05 | SoftIce | abrotman: read above |
| 13:10.15 | maddash | abrotman: you rigid fool. |
| 13:10.28 | abrotman | maddash: me? you're a damn idiot .. you give people horrible advice all the time |
| 13:10.55 | SoftIce | horrible advice wow, i wouldn't have though a pre-compiled package system, their users would think in this manner |
| 13:10.57 | abrotman | maddash: and i have the ability to alter reality with my fast typing! |
| 13:10.59 | SoftIce | thank gawd for source ! |
| 13:11.24 | lord_rob | liable: device as in usb port |
| 13:11.46 | liable | lord_rob: all your ports should be either |
| 13:11.55 | beap | anyone tried runing zsnes on sid? |
| 13:11.56 | simonrvn | maddash: for something like harden-servers, and related packages, it's not like the dd didn't do their effing research. |
| 13:12.05 | simonrvn | effing cluebies |
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| 13:12.20 | SoftIce | simonrvn: well they sure as hell didn't read my mind as to how i configured my system. |
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| 13:12.56 | abrotman | SoftIce: it conflicts for a reason .. if you've already done your work to harden your box .. then you've done your work .. what extra stuff do you think it will do ? |
| 13:12.58 | yopyopyop | hello |
| 13:13.01 | lord_rob | liable: well I have a relatively old PC to fix, and I'm not sure if it is an usb 1 or 2 (the owner of this pc is planning to buy an external hdd so it is very important to know that) |
| 13:13.06 | Joelio | SoftIce: No need to be so offensive dude, people are giving you advice for good reason. Why not investigate more secure mechanisms than just proftpd.. like scp? |
| 13:13.22 | maddash | beap: i think these folks have a strict policy of ignoring requests for help on unstable |
| 13:13.35 | abrotman | beap: does it not work ? |
| 13:13.49 | beap | abrotman, it wont run on me |
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| 13:14.04 | beap | maddash, its ok i understand |
| 13:14.07 | abrotman | beap: does it give errors? |
| 13:14.07 | SoftIce | Joelio: I didn't ask for advice, I seeked a answer to my question, i'm no noob, that needs to be told you shouldn't do that, i'ved used unix for over 12 years. |
| 13:14.15 | abrotman | beap: and have you looked at the BTS ? |
| 13:14.21 | liable | lord_rob: that proc contents suggests the controller does both. lspci will tell you, ohci is usb1 ehci is 2 |
| 13:14.28 | Joelio | Well, why the hell do you just use FTP then? and not SFTP or SCP.. jesus |
| 13:14.32 | maddash | abrotman: if you have better advice than mine (*that gives results*), I'm all eyes. |
| 13:14.34 | Joelio | it if's just for one site |
| 13:14.46 | abrotman | maddash: don't you have somewhere else to be? |
| 13:14.54 | yopyopyop | im using SID, in my last update today, icedove do strange thing, there is only blank window when i run it. and with gaim, i cant see buddy list. does anyone running sid too and do not have this problem ? |
| 13:14.59 | beap | abrotman, whats bts sorry |
| 13:15.02 | SoftIce | Joelio: its due based on virtual accounts, why I needed proftp for this system. |
| 13:15.02 | Miles_Prower | Flash player for Debian AMD64, anyone have a howto for installation, NOT using gnu flash /gnashh/etc? |
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| 13:15.06 | maddash | abrotman: you lose. |
| 13:15.09 | abrotman | telling someone to change deps doesn't solve his problem |
| 13:15.13 | abrotman | or rather .. conflicts |
| 13:15.19 | abrotman | !tell beap about bts |
| 13:15.32 | Joelio | maddash, abrotman: you'll understand one day |
| 13:15.33 | liable | yopyopyop: there was an icedove bug about this a week and a half ago |
| 13:15.36 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: there's some wrapper plugin |
| 13:15.38 | abrotman | Joelio: ? |
| 13:15.39 | liable | yopyopyop: i suggest you read it |
| 13:15.43 | abrotman | Joelio: i'm telling him not to change it |
| 13:15.46 | Joelio | abrotman: sorry, not you |
| 13:15.48 | nyk2005 | why does apt-get upgrade "keep back" updates? |
| 13:15.56 | abrotman | !tell nyk2005 about held back |
| 13:16.01 | liable | nyk2005: read the apt-howto |
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| 13:16.18 | spheard | come on, who's responsible for easynet being so bloody useless? |
| 13:16.26 | liable | me! |
| 13:16.38 | abrotman | SoftIce: every new version of the package will have to be altered .. or you can place it on hold .. which might defeat the purpose of the package |
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| 13:17.09 | liable | abrotman: give up already, he's obviously not willing to accept advice he doesnt want to hear |
| 13:17.22 | SoftIce | abrotman: altered? as in the source of the issue (proftp) seeing that its only a conf issue and no configs will be overwriten or are you taken about the harden-servers pkg ? |
| 13:17.28 | cilkay | Hello. Until last week, I was burning CDs on Etch using k3b without any problems. Now, k3b isn't detecting the burner. As root, I tried burning a CD like so: wodim dev=/dev/hdc -v speed=12 my.iso and that worked. How can I make k3b detect the burner again? |
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| 13:17.37 | Joelio | SoftIce: I take it you can use / not seen vsftpd with virtual accounts and ssl? |
| 13:17.38 | abrotman | SoftIce: the latter |
| 13:17.42 | nyk2005 | ok... |
| 13:17.50 | SoftIce | Joelio: yes you can use vsftpd |
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| 13:18.21 | SoftIce | Joelio: apt-cache show harden-servers | grep vsftpd |
| 13:18.26 | SoftIce | its in the conflict list |
| 13:18.44 | abrotman | because ftp is insecure by nature .. how can you harden a server and use ftp .. |
| 13:19.12 | SoftIce | abrotman: easy, based on RBAC, fw rules, jails, etc |
| 13:19.13 | tarzeau | liable: got a link to details about icedove be blank? |
| 13:19.25 | abrotman | SoftIce: it's still insecure |
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| 13:19.49 | SoftIce | ok, somebody is going to spoof the 1 public ip |
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| 13:20.04 | kromagg | if you're running anonymous ftp not terribly more than webdav or the likes |
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| 13:20.48 | Miles_Prower | thanks abrotman. now to find one that works for PPC to get flash on my coworker's iBook G4 |
| 13:21.06 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: didn't you ask about amd64 ? |
| 13:21.18 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: ask #debianppc |
| 13:21.21 | Miles_Prower | abrotman, yes, and that's working.l |
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| 13:22.18 | SoftIce | i'm supprised harden-servers doesn't have apache as a conflicting server, every debian apache box is vulnerable to a trace attack |
| 13:22.30 | abrotman | file a bug on it |
| 13:22.55 | spheard | abrotman: most ftp clients support sftp |
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| 13:23.20 | abrotman | spheard: i'm aware of that |
| 13:23.28 | beap | abrotman, thanx man its on bts |
| 13:23.40 | spheard | abrotman :-) now now |
| 13:23.49 | abrotman | beap: if you're running unstable .. the BTS should be your first stop when investigating a problem |
| 13:24.08 | beap | :) ok |
| 13:24.31 | abrotman | and then the documentation .. maybe then google ... then here/mailing lists |
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| 13:25.04 | chops | SoftIce: What trace attack is that, exactly? |
| 13:25.48 | SoftIce | chops: well used to amplify DoS attacks, test, telnet your box 80, then blackhole:/# apt-cache show harden-servers | grep vsftpd |
| 13:25.49 | SoftIce | Conflicts: telnetd, ftpd, lukemftpd, muddleftpd, |
| 13:25.55 | SoftIce | errrrr |
| 13:26.01 | SoftIce | then TRACE / HTTP/1.0 |
| 13:26.15 | SoftIce | A: b |
| 13:26.16 | SoftIce | C: d |
| 13:26.16 | SoftIce | Host: |
| 13:26.22 | SoftIce | check if that echoes that back to you |
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| 13:29.51 | De_Mon | im trying to find a change log for a 2.6.16 kernel image |
| 13:30.02 | De_Mon | packages.debian.org isn't helping ;( |
| 13:30.03 | maddash | what's the most efficient ipc? |
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| 13:30.21 | maddash | shm? |
| 13:31.12 | tarzeau | De_Mon: and you don't have it installed anywhere anymore? |
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| 13:31.42 | lambda_ | hi |
| 13:31.43 | lambda_ | I start GUI of my etch with kdm (wm = kde3.5.5) nevertheless i have chrooted a debian-sid on /debian-sid (under xfce4) and I wonder HOW can I launch the two GUI on tty7 and tty8 ; can kdm provide this kind of feature ? |
| 13:31.48 | lambda_ | Any help will be very thanksfull |
| 13:32.22 | tarzeau | lambda_: rly, it's thankful or thankfully |
| 13:33.10 | De_Mon | tarzeau I've never had it installed, no. |
| 13:33.19 | maddash | lambda_: where did "tty*" come from? |
| 13:33.39 | tarzeau | De_Mon: maybe http://archive.debian.org/ ? |
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| 13:34.19 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 13:34.19 | dpkg | it has been said that sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 13:34.44 | lambda_ | maddash, by default GUI use tty7 but X :1 launch another interface HOW exploit this nice capacityplease ? |
| 13:34.59 | lambda_ | s/capacity/ability |
| 13:35.02 | sushkop | hi, I installed a few packages with apt-get -t unstable, how can I get rid of them again (i.e. revert to testing)? |
| 13:35.48 | liable | sushkop: aptitude install foo=<version> |
| 13:36.23 | Joelio | ~[6~[6~[6~[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B |
| 13:36.29 | sushkop | liable: doesn't seem to work |
| 13:36.31 | Joelio | eww, sorry about that |
| 13:36.33 | liable | eek |
| 13:37.21 | liable | sushkop: which package? |
| 13:38.00 | sushkop | (my real symptom is that libtool cannot be installed, I suspect libc6-dev is bad somehow) |
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| 13:38.19 | De_Mon | someone told me that downgrading from 2.6.18 to 2.6.17 would break the system |
| 13:38.27 | Joelio | SoftIce: Please provide us with details of this attack. I'd be interested to see if it actually works |
| 13:38.50 | lambda_ | maddash, do X :1 & export DISPLAY=:1 command works for that ? |
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| 13:39.11 | maddash | lambda_: no idea, sorry. |
| 13:39.18 | chops | SoftIce: What does that do? It doesn't seem to work on the one server I've tested because of a redirect... |
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| 13:40.05 | Entheogen | hi, is there any command to shut down the monitor? |
| 13:40.10 | sushkop | I want to install libtool, bu it says the folowing packages have unmet dependencies: libtool: depends on: libc6-dev but should not be installed |
| 13:40.12 | Entheogen | like it is on stand by |
| 13:40.16 | SoftIce | Joelio: do I said, telnet your box port 80, then first line, TRACE / HTTP/1.0 second line, A: b, 3rd line, C: d 4th line, Host: blah then press enter twice |
| 13:40.20 | SoftIce | and see if that echos it back to you |
| 13:40.21 | lambda_ | nobody familiar with Xorg&&WindowsSessionmnager haking ? |
| 13:40.41 | lambda_ | Window :) |
| 13:40.43 | SoftIce | if it does you vulnerable, if it gives error code 403 forbiden you safe, but it wont. |
| 13:40.52 | chops | SoftIce: It does echo back to me, yes. How is that a vulnerability? It doesn't seem to do anything to the host specified on the Host: line. |
| 13:41.05 | chops | (www.debian.org doesn't do anything to that host, at least) |
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| 13:41.23 | Entheogen | anyone? |
| 13:41.41 | rmrfchik | may be xset? |
| 13:41.50 | chops | !tell lambda_ about anyone |
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| 13:42.02 | rmrfchik | xset dpms standby |
| 13:42.07 | Joelio | SoftIce: It just quits my telnet session |
| 13:42.09 | Joelio | no echoing |
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| 13:42.43 | Entheogen | thanks rmrfchik |
| 13:42.45 | rmrfchik | xset dpms force standby |
| 13:42.50 | rmrfchik | this works for me |
| 13:43.26 | Entheogen | yeah, works... :) |
| 13:43.37 | Joelio | so SoftIce: where is this httpd vulerability that every debian box has? |
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| 13:44.06 | SoftIce | Joelio: tell me public ip |
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| 13:44.10 | SoftIce | i'll test and pastebin it |
| 13:44.15 | chops | SoftIce: www.debian.org |
| 13:44.27 | eddie | is anyone here getting sendmail working? |
| 13:44.43 | liable | no sane people ;) |
| 13:44.44 | chops | SoftIce: We can do the test, and we see the results you describe. What is the vulnerability? |
| 13:44.49 | chops | !tell eddie about anyone |
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| 13:45.22 | mmlj4 | eddie: unless you have to, run something else... postfix is much saner, for example |
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| 13:45.45 | eddie | ill getthe error msg. |
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| 13:45.54 | eddie | basically it take about 15 mins toload. |
| 13:46.03 | ness | hi, my brother seems to have corrupted his debian install, libc6-dev cannot be installed: depends on libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13) but 2.5-9+b1 is to be installed - wth does that mean? |
| 13:46.14 | Joelio | ness: it means it's broken |
| 13:46.24 | ness | and how can I repair it? |
| 13:46.28 | eddie | on the apt-get install its stays on "update /etc/mail/aliases. |
| 13:46.44 | ness | (@Joelio) |
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| 13:46.46 | eddie | after the it stays on "starting Mail Transport Agent: sendmail |
| 13:46.50 | Joelio | ness: have you changed your sources.list recently |
| 13:46.55 | Joelio | and done a dist-upgrade? |
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| 13:47.03 | liable | ness: he installed unstable packages which depended on sids libc6 |
| 13:47.13 | liable | ness: dpkg -l libc6 on that box |
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| 13:47.24 | liable | ness: he's kinda screwed with that one |
| 13:47.41 | abrotman | ness: he's been mixing versions |
| 13:47.48 | ness | liable: yes, he installed unstable packages, but I'm trying to revert him to testing |
| 13:47.54 | ness | I just have no idea how |
| 13:47.57 | abrotman | !info libc6 experimental |
| 13:47.59 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6~20070518-2 (experimental), Packaged size: 4422 kB, Installed size: 10660 kB |
| 13:48.03 | chops | ness: There's not really a good way |
| 13:48.12 | abrotman | !info libc6 sid |
| 13:48.15 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.5-9+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 4446 kB, Installed size: 10640 kB |
| 13:48.20 | liable | ness: i was just trying to help him before, if its libc6, theres quite often no going back |
| 13:48.26 | eddie | and basically sendmail dose not work. |
| 13:48.26 | chops | ness: You can install the package you want from unstable, switch his sources back to testing, and wait for testing to catch up to sid |
| 13:48.41 | liable | ness: remove his pinning and it will catch up eventually if he is using lenny |
| 13:48.44 | abrotman | chops: that's not what he's asking to do |
| 13:48.54 | eddie | snort:~# sendmail -s "testsubject" mrfooy@gmail.com </dev/null |
| 13:49.00 | eddie | just hangs there. |
| 13:49.05 | ness | liable: he is using lenny, but the system is somewhat broken right now, as he can't install libtool |
| 13:49.11 | chops | abrotman: I assumed that installing a package was the operation that had given that error |
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| 13:49.38 | abrotman | ness: you're going to have to .. ick .. add unstable sources .. pin to lenny .. and wait it out |
| 13:49.43 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 13:49.43 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 13:49.46 | abrotman | bah |
| 13:49.50 | liable | ness: yep, you will prolly have to install sids version of that too |
| 13:50.27 | eddie | send mail is up and runing as well. |
| 13:50.29 | liable | ness: but its could well get nasty for a lot of probgrams if he has sids libc6 |
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| 13:50.56 | eddie | is there a way to start sendmail in debug mode? |
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| 13:51.23 | abrotman | !tell me_here about root |
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| 13:51.40 | ness | would it be easier to completely migrate him to unstable? |
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| 13:52.09 | liable | ness: if its screwed, you can try and manually downgrade libc6 and everything its installed. might be fun if your thaat way inclined :) |
| 13:52.13 | eddie | hrmhrm. |
| 13:53.18 | ness | hm. So will the problem sometime resolve itself when I just make him install everything -t unstable that doesn't work other way? |
| 13:53.54 | liable | upgrading to sid should fix it, yes. as long as you hold his hand when it breaks ;) |
| 13:54.09 | ness | that's what I try to avoid |
| 13:54.20 | liable | dont use -t, just change his sources |
| 13:55.05 | liable | then revert them, and it might actually work (though your bound to get some dep problems somewhere) |
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| 13:56.33 | liable | if he tries to install stuff it would prolly break, just upgrading should eventually revert it to lenny |
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| 13:56.57 | eddie | damned sendmail. |
| 13:57.00 | ness | I'm not that a debian expert either. What am I supposed to do now? I have added him a APT::Default-Release "testing"; line to /etc/apt/apt.conf and unstable to the sources.lst, and he installed some packages with -t unstable. How can we keep it running, and eventually revert to unstable? |
| 13:57.06 | eddie | i reinstalled sendmail 5 times now. |
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| 13:57.23 | eddie | how do i get it to load in debug mode? |
| 13:57.29 | ness | (sry for stupidity) |
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| 13:57.53 | Joelio | SoftIce: Any news on this vulnerability.. I'm intuiged to know if the hundreds of thousands of debian based servers are vulnerable to a simple TRACE command |
| 13:57.57 | kairu0 | what can i do to uninstall a package when the uninstall script returns error status of 1? |
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| 13:59.46 | chops | ness: Here's what I would do: Change the sources.list back to testing (it looks like you've done that). Install stuff from testing, and run your current frankenstein system. Whenever something doesn't install because of the half-ugpraded nature of the system (as with libc6-dev), change sources.list and install it from sid. |
| 13:59.47 | liable | ness: remove the apt.conf, point his sources to unstable; dist-upgrade; sources back to testing |
| 13:59.48 | tarzeau | why does the debian installer not have date? |
| 13:59.48 | eddie | http://www.pastebin.ca/528257 |
| 13:59.48 | eddie | anyone have ideas? |
| 13:59.48 | Joelio | ness: here's what I'd do.. backup... reinstall.. :D |
| 13:59.48 | ma3x | why tar -tz file.tar.gz desn't display the contents of it? |
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| 14:00.02 | chops | ness: Eventually testing will catch up to sid, and you'll stop having to ever switch sources back to sid. |
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| 14:00.07 | chops | ma3x: Because you need -f |
| 14:00.10 | Joelio | chops: very true |
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| 14:00.25 | liable | ness: as i said though, if he tries to install stuff after reverting to testing, you will prolly get dep problems untill its caught up |
| 14:00.27 | chops | ma3x: "tar -tzf file.tar.gz" or "tar -tz < file.tar.gz" |
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| 14:00.38 | SoftIce | Joelio: a Web page can send Trace requests to a Web server that has ths Trace method. Its possible for the active HTML content to make external requests to arb* Web servers beyond the hosting Web server..... the Web server then echoes back the client request unfiltered, the response also includes cookie-based or Web-based (if logged on) authentication credentials that the browser automatically sent to the specified Web ap on the web serv |
| 14:00.39 | SoftIce | err this & ap/app |
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| 14:00.43 | ma3x | thanks chops! |
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| 14:01.29 | ma3x | chops, can it list the permissions as well? |
| 14:01.33 | liable | eddie: i dont think you'll find that many sendmail users anymore |
| 14:01.34 | AWizzArd1 | Hi. Do you know a console based multi-protocol IM (icq, aim, msn, yahoo, irc) that runs under sarge 3.1 old-stable? Suggestions? |
| 14:01.35 | eddie | thanks for the help guys |
| 14:01.47 | eddie | liable: what is the next thing to use? |
| 14:01.50 | liable | eddie: try the ML |
| 14:01.55 | eddie | the ML |
| 14:01.55 | eddie | ? |
| 14:01.58 | msn | AWizzArd1: there is one |
| 14:02.00 | liable | mailing list |
| 14:02.06 | msn | AWizzArd1: search repos |
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| 14:02.27 | AWizzArd1 | msn: you mean there is one such client, or is its name "one"? |
| 14:02.29 | eddie | is that like sendmaiol? |
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| 14:02.40 | SoftIce | Joelio: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/2147 <--- a fix to prevent this happening. do a TRACE now and you will get a 403 forbiden |
| 14:02.41 | msn | AWizzArd1: one such clinet |
| 14:02.44 | AWizzArd1 | k |
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| 14:03.17 | eddie | apt-get install mailinglist? |
| 14:03.21 | liable | eddie: try the debian-users mailing list, or see if theres one specific to sendmail |
| 14:03.28 | davut | hi I installed etch and I installed apache2 |
| 14:03.33 | chops | SoftIce: Hmm... that does actually look like a problem to me, actually. |
| 14:03.34 | liable | eddie: lists.debian.org |
| 14:03.45 | chops | SoftIce: Is there a BTS entry for it? |
| 14:03.49 | davut | and now I am trying to install mod_security but there is no package for mod_security |
| 14:04.02 | davut | How can I install mod_security on etch? |
| 14:04.02 | liable | it was removed iirc |
| 14:04.09 | liable | google it |
| 14:04.24 | eddie | thereliable I something for sendmail. |
| 14:04.27 | SoftIce | Joelio: its not just debian, most systems i've tested it against is vulnerable, or you can disable the trace system all together. by setting TraceEnable off in your apache2.conf |
| 14:04.35 | eddie | likeummm to send out e-mails./ |
| 14:05.07 | SoftIce | chops: no idea |
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| 14:05.11 | liable | eddie: why did you install sendmail? debians default mta is exim which is insane enough |
| 14:05.26 | eddie | liable to sendout snort logs. |
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| 14:05.32 | chops | SoftIce: It should also be disabled at the client level, it looks like to me -- I can't think of a reason for "active HTML content" to be able to send TRACE requests. |
| 14:05.46 | chops | SoftIce: Certainly not to hosts other than that from which they originated. |
| 14:05.51 | jazbo2186 | Hey folks, when I put a floppy disk into a usb floppy drive, it makes some noises like it's maybe trying to mount the drive but then nothing happens. How can I mount the floppy? |
| 14:05.57 | liable | eddie: why did you need sendmail for that? |
| 14:06.23 | eddie | it needs sendmail? |
| 14:06.26 | eddie | i was thinknig. |
| 14:06.30 | eddie | am io wornG? |
| 14:06.30 | liable | no |
| 14:06.35 | ness | so he will reinstall this weekend |
| 14:06.42 | eddie | thcan you tell me howto do it then? |
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| 14:07.09 | liable | ness: good lesson for him ;) |
| 14:07.42 | wols | eddie: use a MTA which is easier to configure. exim4 or postfix |
| 14:07.49 | Joelio | SoftIce: have you actually deployed an attack via it though.. I'm not being funny.. just want to know if this is P.o.C or actively used.. because to be honest, I've never heard of it |
| 14:07.50 | liable | postfix ftw |
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| 14:09.29 | wols | eddie: all MTAs have a sendmial wrapper binary, so that is no problem |
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| 14:09.44 | eddie | okay.... postifx is installed. |
| 14:09.52 | SoftIce | chops: well it can be used for cross site scripting attacks due to input validation errors, also users of the Web server may lose their authentication credentials for the server and for the Web applications hosted by the server to an attacker |
| 14:09.55 | davut | hey guys nobody using mod_security here? |
| 14:10.00 | mike1o | !chroot |
| 14:10.00 | dpkg | from memory, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 14:10.01 | liable | Joelio: reports for this go back to 04 afaics, doesnt appear to be a problem |
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| 14:10.17 | liable | Joelio: actually, theres not much reported after then about it.. |
| 14:10.18 | SoftIce | I have to go fetch my wife, be back in a bit... |
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| 14:11.31 | SoftIce | Joelio: i'll demenstrate an example when I get back.. have to go quickly.. |
| 14:11.38 | ness | liable: exactly.. athough I will probably have a hard time explaining him why one can't always install the latest greatest (in his case, blender-2.44 iirc) |
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| 14:12.00 | eddie | wols i am tring this out now. |
| 14:12.11 | eddie | with postfix sendmail -s dose not wor |
| 14:12.42 | wols | eddie: if it doesn't work. give us a proper error description please. check /var/log/syslog and /var/log/mail.* too |
| 14:13.05 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 14:13.06 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 14:13.15 | liable | ness: it shouldnt be *that* long till it reaches testing, if he has run lenny for a while and fixed problems that crop up with that (it can be as bad as unstable at times) he should be fine to migrate to unstable |
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| 14:13.21 | eddie | wols: okay great... next... how do i send out a test email |
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| 14:13.34 | pablo_ | hi, how do i add experimental repos to my lenny? |
| 14:13.48 | liable | pablo_: please dont |
| 14:13.48 | wols | does it have to be via /usr/lib/sendmail? |
| 14:13.57 | jazbo2186 | Are usb floppy drives supposed to "just work" or should I have to do some special configuration to get it to work? |
| 14:14.02 | Shadur | Hmm. Do we have any software that can resize NTFS partitions? |
| 14:14.11 | pablo_ | liable: i nee to install gij latest version |
| 14:14.39 | wols | Shadur: gparted |
| 14:14.42 | wols | pablo_: what for? |
| 14:15.05 | liable | pablo_: you are better off compiling it, and installing it into /usr/local then removing it when it reaches your release |
| 14:15.13 | wols | eddie: tell us exactly what you are trying to do and what the results of your try are |
| 14:15.40 | Miles_Prower | grRrr |
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| 14:15.45 | pablo_ | liable: ok i wll try to compile it |
| 14:15.58 | pablo_ | wols: i need that verion |
| 14:15.58 | sigp239 | hey what package do you guys use for p2p downloading? |
| 14:15.58 | eddie | wols to get snort alerts to my inbox |
| 14:16.00 | eddie | lol. |
| 14:16.01 | Miles_Prower | for some reason libc6 and others are too old for nspluginwrapper, yet when you update says they're current. |
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| 14:16.05 | Miles_Prower | using debian stable. |
| 14:16.34 | wols | !info nspluginwrapper etch |
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| 14:17.02 | wols | eddie: ansewr my question please |
| 14:17.11 | liable | it was only released recently wasnt it? |
| 14:17.17 | Miles_Prower | so I should type that in here wols? |
| 14:17.24 | eddie | wols: to get snort alerts send to my inbox. |
| 14:17.25 | wols | no you should not |
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| 14:17.40 | wols | eddie: answer my question. read before you answer |
| 14:17.40 | liable | the 'sendmail' command in apps doesnt need the actuall sendmail mta |
| 14:17.41 | Miles_Prower | K, then how do I get the info? |
| 14:17.58 | eddie | one sec. |
| 14:18.01 | eddie | i think i got it work. |
| 14:18.01 | wols | liable: he is using postfix now. but all he is able to day is "doesn't work" |
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| 14:18.39 | liable | wols: i know, i am watching from a distance because its all to painfull to actually participate in the conversation |
| 14:18.44 | wols | Miles_Prower: for starters, etch has no nspluginwrapper at all |
| 14:19.10 | wols | !tell Miles_Prower about bobbitt |
| 14:19.48 | jazbo2186 | Does a usb floppy drive act like a usb thumb drive or like a floppy drive? Should it be mounting at /dev/sda or /dev/fd0? |
| 14:20.27 | liable | good question |
| 14:20.31 | wols | jazbo2186: check dmesg |
| 14:20.46 | liable | tell us the answer when you find out ;) |
| 14:21.04 | eddie | i think i got it |
| 14:21.17 | wols | jazbo2186: what does it say? |
| 14:21.33 | jazbo2186 | wols: sda. but it also says "unable to read partition table" |
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| 14:21.47 | jakub_ | hi |
| 14:21.49 | jakub_ | i have TV card |
| 14:21.53 | jakub_ | pinnacle pctv |
| 14:21.53 | wols | jazbo2186: how do you mount sda? how are you trying? |
| 14:21.55 | jakub_ | so old ;\ |
| 14:22.02 | jakub_ | in KDETV i can see something |
| 14:22.10 | jakub_ | but it`s not good |
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| 14:22.25 | liable | jakub_: try and hit the enter key a little less often. use sentences ;) |
| 14:22.29 | jazbo2186 | wols: I just put the floppy into the drive and it starts makin sounds then that stuff shows up in dmesg... |
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| 14:22.44 | wols | jazbo2186: so have you actually tried mounting it? |
| 14:22.49 | jakub_ | http://r3t43.net.upc.cz/projekty/tv.png |
| 14:23.36 | wols | jakub_: use a different mode. different PAL or NTSC |
| 14:23.49 | jakub_ | i test it |
| 14:23.55 | jakub_ | i must use pal |
| 14:23.57 | jakub_ | but it dont work |
| 14:24.02 | jakub_ | i have there only pal-n |
| 14:24.04 | wols | jakub_: mount /dev/sda /mnt/ |
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| 14:24.13 | jakub_ | and others, but in central europe is pal-g |
| 14:24.27 | wols | jakub_: there are about 10 different pal standards plus you need to tune the stations |
| 14:24.43 | liable | try tvtime |
| 14:24.58 | liable | and mplayer |
| 14:25.05 | wols | jazbo2186: mount /dev/sda /mnt/ |
| 14:25.09 | jakub_ | yes |
| 14:25.13 | jakub_ | but i have only NTSC modules |
| 14:25.14 | jakub_ | in KDETV |
| 14:25.19 | jakub_ | video4linux is nts |
| 14:25.20 | jakub_ | c |
| 14:25.23 | liable | tvtime has been good to me, but certain channels mplayer seemed to show better |
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| 14:25.27 | wols | jakub_: it can be pal |
| 14:25.38 | jakub_ | yes but module has only ntsc |
| 14:25.48 | liable | jakub_: dude, stop hitting enter so much. |
| 14:26.00 | wols | I doubt it, it can only use ntsc. config error on your part |
| 14:26.09 | eddie | wols: THANKS |
| 14:26.11 | eddie | IT WORKS! |
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| 14:26.20 | wols | eddie: we didn't do a thing |
| 14:26.30 | eddie | sorry about the delay on your answer.. i could not really explain wtf i wanted todo :) |
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| 14:26.44 | eddie | you gave em aplace to start and look were the config is wrong. |
| 14:26.53 | eddie | IE postfix fixed it. |
| 14:27.02 | wols | pasting a config or command line and then pasting also the error message(s) is not rocket science... |
| 14:27.08 | liable | yes, because sendmail is insane |
| 14:27.13 | o2T7 | Hi. I keep getting "segmentation fault" error when launching X with nvidia and after a reboot |
| 14:27.17 | jazbo2186 | wols: oh cool that worked. So I'm a little confused about the purpose of the /mnt directory as opposed to /media. I have made a /mnt/iso/, for mounting iso's; is that the wrong place to put it? |
| 14:27.29 | wols | o2T7: how did you install the drivers? |
| 14:27.33 | jakub_ | hmm |
| 14:27.51 | wols | jakub_: any irectory will do. it's just a place to mount |
| 14:27.53 | o2T7 | I followed the dpkg bot's one-liner |
| 14:28.00 | jakub_ | ? |
| 14:28.01 | o2T7 | and also with module-assistant |
| 14:28.04 | liable | jazbo2186: what does your fstab say about /media? |
| 14:28.15 | jakub_ | i testing tvtime now |
| 14:28.18 | jazbo2186 | liable: nothing |
| 14:28.19 | wols | o2T7: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 14:28.27 | wols | o2T7: and tell us what nvidia chip/card you have |
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| 14:29.28 | jakub_ | tvtime sais |
| 14:29.31 | jakub_ | without signal |
| 14:30.04 | jazbo2186 | also, how can I make it so that when I put a floppy into the usb floppy drive, it doesn't unsuccesfully try to mount it? I'd either like it to mount successfully or not try if it can't do it properly... |
| 14:30.16 | o2T7 | nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) |
| 14:32.14 | jazbo2186 | And why does `mount /dev/sda /mnt` work but if I do `mount /dev/sda /media/floppy` it doesn't work and I need to specify the filesystem as `mount -t msdos /dev/sda /media/floppy`? |
| 14:32.54 | o2T7 | And my dpkg -l |grep nvidia output is |
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| 14:33.01 | o2T7 | http://rafb.net/p/dolqhn33.html |
| 14:33.02 | wols | o2T7: pastbin! |
| 14:33.05 | wols | ok, good |
| 14:33.17 | o2T7 | pastebin is failing at this moment |
| 14:33.19 | jakub_ | videoinput: Driver refuses to start streaming: ZaÅ™ĂzenĂ nebo zdroj jsou použĂvĂ¡ny. |
| 14:33.24 | jakub_ | can i have wrong driver ? |
| 14:33.43 | cahoot | jazbo2185: what's the corresponding line in fstab? |
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| 14:33.58 | o2T7 | wols, the first time I run X after compiling the driver everything works fine |
| 14:34.08 | o2T7 | Is gives segfault after a reboot |
| 14:34.20 | wols | so is the kernel module loaded when you run it the 2nd time? |
| 14:34.36 | o2T7 | I don't know, how to check it? |
| 14:34.44 | wols | do a startx instead of running it via gdm, then check /var/log/Xorg.log or the messages on screen |
| 14:34.51 | wols | lsmod before you start X |
| 14:34.57 | ma3x | what do I put in crontab to run daily at 23:00 o'clock? |
| 14:34.59 | o2T7 | I start it directly with X |
| 14:35.09 | o2T7 | and it already hangs |
| 14:35.14 | wols | o2T7: then don't for troubleshooting right no |
| 14:35.15 | wols | now |
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| 14:35.25 | o2T7 | sorry? |
| 14:35.30 | wols | remove the display manger fromt he bootup for testing |
| 14:35.32 | o2T7 | My english again :$ |
| 14:35.39 | wols | !nodm |
| 14:35.39 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 14:35.45 | cahoot | jazbo2185: http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x498.html - might be of use |
| 14:35.59 | o2T7 | Do you mean removing the ln for gdm from rc2.d? |
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| 14:36.12 | wols | o2T7: yes. as long as you are testing |
| 14:36.30 | o2T7 | ok, fine, I will try that too. |
| 14:36.36 | o2T7 | Now ;) |
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| 14:36.50 | wols | you want to check the error messages if any, that X spits out |
| 14:36.54 | dinochopins | hi everyone |
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| 14:37.03 | dinochopins | I just learn about debian packages |
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| 14:37.13 | jazbo2186 | How can I configure how etch handles automounting? |
| 14:37.14 | dinochopins | have compiled some .deb packages from PLESK site |
| 14:37.15 | o2T7 | There are no error messages. |
| 14:37.26 | dinochopins | then scan it with apt-scanpackages |
| 14:37.26 | bzed | !tell dinochopins about enter |
| 14:37.32 | o2T7 | They only are in the terminal where I call the X from |
| 14:37.52 | o2T7 | One second and I give you the exact output |
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| 14:38.49 | dinochopins | ok, I'll go on. My deb location is in /opt/packages, how can I add the /opt/packages in sources.list, so that It can be recognized by apt-get. Thanks |
| 14:39.31 | wols | dinochopins: why do they have to be there? |
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| 14:40.14 | o2T7 | ok |
| 14:40.33 | dinochopins | wols, well.. I just put it there. I might have put it in /var/local as well, but can sources.list scan local folder ? I don't want to expose them via http :) |
| 14:40.55 | wols | !apt-proxy |
| 14:40.55 | dpkg | somebody said apt-proxy was a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237 |
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| 14:41.01 | liable | dinochopins: dpkg-scanpkgs is what your after i think |
| 14:41.14 | wols | !wayttd dinochopins |
| 14:41.14 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, dinochopins? |
| 14:41.16 | liable | dpkg-scanpackages |
| 14:41.33 | wols | o2T7: check your /var/log/Xorg.log and paste its output |
| 14:41.49 | liable | wols: i think he wants to make a mini-repo and have his packages available via apt-get from a local dir |
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| 14:42.44 | dinochopins | liable, that's correct. that's what I'm trying to do. Thanks liable for making me clear |
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| 14:43.08 | liable | dinochopins: man dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 14:43.50 | Alt-Ox | hello guys, i've tried to install nvidia driver, but then it returned me that I haven't the kernel headers installed |
| 14:43.57 | Alt-Ox | how can I install these headers? |
| 14:44.08 | dinochopins | liable, I have success with that. It creates a Package.gz already. Now, how do I add it in sources.list, is it with 'deb file:///opt/packages' ? |
| 14:44.10 | o2T7 | http://www.nopaste.com/p/a3sZk8Is1 |
| 14:44.19 | o2T7 | With a "Violacion de segmento" |
| 14:44.22 | o2T7 | after it |
| 14:44.32 | o2T7 | It just stop executing |
| 14:44.59 | o2T7 | Which is the name of the kernel module? |
| 14:45.02 | liable | dinochopins: i believe so, deb file//opt/packages |
| 14:45.08 | wols | o2T7: nvidia |
| 14:45.24 | dinochopins | liable, will try that first... thanks liable |
| 14:45.40 | o2T7 | it appears to be running |
| 14:45.43 | o2T7 | or up |
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| 14:45.50 | liable | dinochopins: add the : i forgot |
| 14:46.03 | o2T7 | nvidia, agpart and i2c_core |
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| 14:46.10 | dakoo | hello |
| 14:46.34 | dakoo | I'm trying to install iptables, apt-get, but I never get a /etc/init.d/iptables file |
| 14:46.36 | o2T7 | Althoug I stop gdm service It segfaults in the same way |
| 14:46.42 | wols | o2T7: any error on the screen when runnint start? |
| 14:46.45 | davut | hi I wanna use this repository |
| 14:46.47 | wols | running startx that is |
| 14:46.55 | o2T7 | No, just "Violacion de segmento" |
| 14:47.01 | o2T7 | Could it be a hardware problem? |
| 14:47.02 | davut | http://etc.inittab.org/~agi/debian/ |
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| 14:47.09 | davut | how can I add this to sources.list |
| 14:47.13 | o2T7 | My machine has been "ill" for a long time |
| 14:47.14 | wols | dakoo: doesn't exist anymore. iptables-restore and iptables-save does however |
| 14:47.30 | liable | davut: thats because it doesnt have an init script |
| 14:47.32 | chops | o2T7: Have you tried memtest86? |
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| 14:47.38 | dakoo | wols: ok thanks |
| 14:47.44 | rod | hello there, I compiled the kernel 2.6.20 but my udev not work :-( |
| 14:47.52 | liable | nickborkage |
| 14:47.53 | o2T7 | Yes, for whole nights |
| 14:47.59 | o2T7 | and nothing, everything fine |
| 14:48.00 | davut | liable: so? |
| 14:48.04 | davut | I did not understand |
| 14:48.04 | rod | It's necessary restart the udev before the login in the machine |
| 14:48.14 | chops | rod: How did you compile it? |
| 14:48.16 | rod | any ideia about my problem? |
| 14:48.17 | liable | davut: nicktab fuckage ;) |
| 14:48.18 | wols | rod: then enable it in menuconfig |
| 14:48.25 | davut | OFFF |
| 14:48.43 | davut | hey how can I use this repository http://etc.inittab.org/~agi/debian/ |
| 14:48.48 | rod | yes menuconfig.... |
| 14:48.56 | davut | how should I put it in sources.list |
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| 14:49.07 | liable | deb <url> |
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| 14:49.24 | soenke | liable: the installer hangs again at "installing base system" - is there no way to escape at this point and try another mirror? |
| 14:49.37 | soenke | in the error log I see gpg failures |
| 14:49.44 | rod | wols: Can you see my menuconfig? |
| 14:49.45 | davut | E: Malformed line 13 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist) |
| 14:49.50 | davut | I get this |
| 14:49.53 | wols | rod: no |
| 14:49.57 | bagoor | I want to install ffmpeg-php, and in its document written that I should write "phpize" first, but it's not available. What should I do ? |
| 14:50.06 | liable | soenke: hrm, is the installer image a rc image? |
| 14:50.10 | rod | Exist any option about udev in menuconfig? |
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| 14:50.13 | soenke | liable: "gpgc: Can't check signature: publix key not found" |
| 14:50.22 | rod | wols: Exist any option about udev in menuconfig? |
| 14:50.22 | liable | soenke: like from when etch was still testing? |
| 14:50.24 | wols | bagoor: where from do you want to install ffmpeg-php? source or deb? |
| 14:50.24 | soenke | liable: no it's etch stable |
| 14:50.36 | bagoor | wols: source |
| 14:50.41 | soenke | I've downlaoded it yesterday |
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| 14:50.51 | wols | bagoor: then install phpize the same way |
| 14:50.53 | dakoo | I got the vanilla 2.6.21 and compiled it with iptables, but when I do modprobe ip_conntrack, I get FATAL: Module ip_conntrack not found. |
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| 14:51.05 | wols | !topicsmite soenke |
| 14:51.05 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon soenke. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:51.05 | rbellamy_ | Topic in #debian is Topic in #debian is !topicsmite soenke |
| 14:51.05 | rbellamy_ | Topic in #debian is !topicsmite soenke |
| 14:51.17 | wols | !ops please make rbellamy_ stop that script |
| 14:51.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: please make rbellamy_ stop that script |
| 14:51.20 | soenke | liable: besides from these gpg errors, is it possible to use some keystroke or sth. to get into the main menu? |
| 14:51.30 | LoRez | rbellamy_: turn it off. |
| 14:51.43 | wols | LoRez: I asked him for more than a day now. he is afk |
| 14:51.51 | valdyn | dakoo: why would you load that module manually? |
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| 14:52.12 | wols | dakoo: and ahve you actually compiled the as a module? |
| 14:52.18 | liable | soenke: i am not so sharp with the installer workings, i dont use it all that often. try #debian-boot on oftc (its a slow channel, you may be best off on the mailing list, but certainly try it) |
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| 14:52.35 | rod | wols: Any idea? in my logs not error |
| 14:52.41 | soenke | heheh ok thanks, liable! |
| 14:52.43 | wols | rod: no |
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| 14:53.24 | dakoo | wols: yes, when I run my iptable scripts it can't load ip_conntrack |
| 14:53.44 | liable | dakoo: you compiled your own kernel? |
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| 14:54.09 | soenke | wols: what should I read in the topic? ;) |
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| 14:54.55 | dakoo | liable: yes 2.6.21 |
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| 14:55.15 | dakoo | liable: do I need patches for this connection tracking? |
| 14:55.20 | wols | soenke: PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key |
| 14:55.21 | soenke | liable: seems that the installer process suceeds but the "gui" is not updated ..weird :P |
| 14:55.28 | simonrvn | dakoo: no |
| 14:55.32 | liable | wols: hes using the installer |
| 14:55.32 | valdyn | dakoo: so you configured your kernel wrongly |
| 14:55.37 | valdyn | dakoo: use a debian kernel |
| 14:55.42 | wols | soenke: however, it should work just fine for initial install, even if you get nasty warnings. but they re just warnings |
| 14:56.23 | liable | wols: the business iso, so he doesnt have much choice when it all goes wrong |
| 14:56.24 | wols | dakoo: no patches at all. and the debian kernel has ip_conntrack already |
| 14:56.34 | soenke | yeah it runs in the background, I see some process on the debug console even if the installer seems to be frozen ... |
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| 14:56.49 | wols | liable: I've never seen a pubkey problem make apt not work. all it does is spewing nastygrams |
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| 14:57.04 | wols | soenke: after the isntall do what the factoid says |
| 14:57.14 | o2T7 | So you know which is the exact procedure of the nvidia oficial driver installation script? |
| 14:57.24 | dakoo | wols: ok, I'll use their config, but I'll compile my own |
| 14:57.25 | wols | !nvidia |
| 14:57.26 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 14:57.38 | wols | dakoo: I don't believe you |
| 14:57.48 | Wyzard | o2T7: The correct way to use that script in Debian is to not use it at all... use the packages |
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| 14:58.38 | wols | dakoo: CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK=m is what a debian kernel has |
| 14:58.49 | o2T7 | Ok, Wyzard, but it does something that i am not doing |
| 14:59.04 | Wyzard | o2T7: What does? |
| 14:59.06 | valdyn | wols: there's a ip_conntrack and also a nf_conntrack module, little confusing |
| 14:59.07 | soenke | outsh - "debootstrap: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initct" |
| 14:59.15 | o2T7 | Something that i am loosing during reboot |
| 14:59.21 | wols | Wyzard: there are times when you do need to use the script. but o2T7 is not such a case (8500/8600 cards) |
| 14:59.28 | liable | dakoo: hint, dont touch any config in the netfilter dir of menuconfig |
| 14:59.35 | Wyzard | wols: ah, yes, the beta driver |
| 14:59.39 | dakoo | wols: thanks for that, I'll check my .config |
| 15:00.03 | wols | Wyzard: but come time this will pass too :) |
| 15:00.07 | jazbo2186 | I added "/dev/sda /media/floppy msdos defaults 0 0" to /etc/fstab but when I `mount /media/floppy/` I get "mount: only root can mount /dev/sda on /media/floppy". How can I make it so I can mount the floppy without having to be root? |
| 15:00.10 | Wyzard | hopefully soon |
| 15:00.12 | o2T7 | The script also says me that something modified the instalation since the last one |
| 15:00.18 | dakoo | liable: ok, I'll just go through make menuconfig again |
| 15:00.22 | wols | jazbo2186: you mis "user" at the defaults |
| 15:00.27 | wols | o2T7: noauto too |
| 15:00.36 | o2T7 | ?? |
| 15:00.40 | liable | dakoo: but you have to fix what you broke ;) |
| 15:00.45 | wols | sorry. wrong nick :( |
| 15:00.47 | wols | jazbo2186: noauto too |
| 15:00.51 | o2T7 | oh, ok |
| 15:01.14 | simonrvn | xt_conntrack |
| 15:01.17 | o2T7 | sorry, I am not in multithread mode at this moment :) |
| 15:01.22 | wols | !info linux-image-2,6.21-686 sid |
| 15:01.25 | dakoo | liable: I just put M in anything that said netfilter under network in menuconfig |
| 15:01.29 | jazbo2186 | wols: cool got it thanks. Now if I could just get it to stop unsuccessfully trying to automount when I insert the floppy... |
| 15:01.40 | valdyn | Wyzard: --uninstall |
| 15:01.47 | valdyn | Wyzard: or somesuch |
| 15:01.52 | wols | jazbo2186: what do you use for automounting? pure debian afaik doesn't automount |
| 15:01.54 | Wyzard | valdyn: Will that put back the original Mesa libGL? |
| 15:02.01 | dakoo | liable: cat .config | grep CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK -----> # CONFIG_IP_NF_CONNTRACK_SUPPORT is not set |
| 15:02.01 | liable | dakoo: i fucked up iptables once, i start with a fresh config and dont even venture into that dir anymore |
| 15:02.05 | valdyn | Wyzard: i dont know |
| 15:02.13 | noorul | xb |
| 15:02.14 | wols | dakoo: what liable said is wise |
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| 15:03.00 | jazbo2186 | wols: hmmm maybe its kde that's doing the automounting? |
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| 15:03.40 | wols | I don't know |
| 15:03.45 | wols | but possible |
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| 15:04.23 | dakoo | liable: wols thanks for the help |
| 15:04.35 | liable | np |
| 15:05.23 | ak70 | today, after I updated the libxine1 package, I can not play RMVB files any more. It says that I does not install the codecs, but I did that |
| 15:05.29 | wols | dakoo: any special reason you need a custom kernel= |
| 15:05.45 | wols | !tell ak70 about errors |
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| 15:06.16 | Perdignus | Hello - is anyone familiar with Xen under Debian? |
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| 15:06.39 | wols | !tell Perdignus about anyone |
| 15:06.47 | dakoo | wols: old habbit, I always like to have a small compact kernel so just what I need |
| 15:06.50 | o2T7 | This error always with the installer, even for uninstalling like now |
| 15:06.53 | ak70 | it says that the decoder is not installed |
| 15:06.55 | o2T7 | alteredol3 |
| 15:07.04 | o2T7 | http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/2722/alteredol3.png |
| 15:07.09 | Wyzard | dakoo: There's no real benefit in that |
| 15:07.11 | wols | dakoo: then you should have learnt how to do it by now |
| 15:07.32 | Perdignus | Is there a Debian package for a linux kernel with Xen support compiled into it? |
| 15:07.34 | HNT | Hello everybody, after an update, I can't play any avi / ogm / mpeg file with kaffeine, is there a known problem ? |
| 15:07.39 | Wyzard | dakoo: The standard Debian kernel has lots of stuff, but it's all built as modules, so only the drivers you actually need get loaded |
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| 15:07.50 | wols | !tell HNT about bts |
| 15:07.50 | Wyzard | Perdignus: Yes, there are -xen kernel packages |
| 15:08.04 | Wyzard | Perdignus: You might also want to apt-cache search xen-linux-system |
| 15:08.10 | ak70 | I guess that in the new package the location of the codecs has been changed, but what is the new location |
| 15:08.15 | HNT | wols : Ok, so I will report |
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| 15:08.38 | Wyzard | Perdignus: That's a group of metapackages that depend on the hypervisor and the kernel |
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| 15:08.46 | dakoo | Wyzard: not up to date, always old |
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| 15:09.05 | wols | dakoo: what reason is there to get the newest kernel? |
| 15:09.06 | Wyzard | dakoo: unstable has 2.6.21 currently |
| 15:09.16 | liable | which is the latest stable |
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| 15:09.36 | Wyzard | dakoo: etch has 2.6.18, sure, because that's the version that's supported by the security team -- the whole point of a stable release is to avoid changing versions of things, especially important things like the kernel |
| 15:09.48 | rocketmagnet | hi, how to find out which type of ram i have so i can go buy some new hardware =) =) ? |
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| 15:09.57 | ak70 | but the upgrade, all my codecs were in /usr/lib/codecs, and it worked, but now it tells me codecs are not installed |
| 15:09.59 | abrotman | open it up |
| 15:10.00 | geoalf | hello, as I install python-matplotlib in my debian/unstable I get python-numpy uninstalled, but numpy is needed to make matplotlib working, where can I ask or send a report on this? |
| 15:10.01 | Wyzard | rocketmagnet: Look up the motherboard on the web |
| 15:10.02 | Perdignus | xen-linux-system-2.6.20-1-xen-686 is probably geared for Grub instead of Lilo eh? grumble grumble |
| 15:10.05 | wols | rocketmagnet: dmidecode |
| 15:10.16 | wols | rocketmagnet: what CPU and what mainboard chipset do you have? |
| 15:10.19 | abrotman | Perdignus: it should work with either |
| 15:10.25 | wols | Perdignus: no |
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| 15:10.32 | rocketmagnet | mom |
| 15:10.33 | wols | Perdignus: debian kernels work with lilo and grub automatically |
| 15:10.38 | Wyzard | Perdignus: I don't know if lilo can boot a Xen kernel, or at least I don't know how you'd configure it to do so |
| 15:10.48 | rocketmagnet | model name : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2400+ |
| 15:10.51 | wols | Wyzard: what's special with a xen kernel to boot? |
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| 15:10.54 | Wyzard | Perdignus: since you have to get it to load the hypervisor, and then also load the kernel and make it available to the hypervisor |
| 15:11.01 | ak70 | and mplayer is still fine |
| 15:11.10 | Wyzard | wols: You don't boot the kernel directly, you boot the hypervisor and give it the kernel as a "module", sort of like an initrd |
| 15:11.10 | wols | rocketmagnet: what chipset? |
| 15:11.17 | ak70 | so there must be the problem of libxine1 |
| 15:11.20 | Wyzard | wols: (but then you have to give the kernel its initrd too) |
| 15:11.43 | dakoo | Wyzard: I work with debian, mandriva and fedora machines, don't want to learn apt-get, yum and urpmi , that's why I just get a kernel, compile it and use it on all my machines for users |
| 15:12.07 | Wyzard | dakoo: You use a distribution and don't want to learn how to use its package system? |
| 15:12.11 | wols | rocketmagnet: but most probably it's DDR SDRAM. which means you should buy PC3200 RAM (400Mhz) |
| 15:12.11 | liable | ak70: its always an ongoing problem, i have mplayer and vlc, i always need to swap between the two when one stops playing files, or stutters half way through is usually the problem |
| 15:12.11 | Wyzard | dakoo: How do you maintain anything? |
| 15:12.30 | rocketmagnet | Base Board Information Manufacturer: ASUSTeK Computer INC. Product Name: A7V600-X Version: REV 1.xx |
| 15:12.44 | wols | rocketmagnet: yes. PC3200 |
| 15:13.07 | dakoo | Wyzard: I do that manually, for only a few packages I need, and I don't need much |
| 15:13.19 | tarzeau | wow like 469 wander into testing today |
| 15:14.02 | rocketmagnet | wols: thank you - be back in an hour after install =) |
| 15:14.14 | Wyzard | dakoo: ..I think "ur doin it wrong" is the most appropriate answer to that :-) |
| 15:14.31 | Wyzard | dakoo: Installing packages is pretty easy, much easier than compiling stuff from source |
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| 15:14.58 | valdyn | why would anyone use such a distro mix |
| 15:15.09 | Wyzard | dakoo: and by building your own stuff and ignoring packages you're basically disregarding all the integration work done by the Debian maintainers |
| 15:15.10 | waspius | hi..does anyone here use qtorrent?because i cannot find how to set it up..ie what port it uses etc |
| 15:15.26 | Perdignus | The package updated the grub menu.lst but didn't notice that I actually use lilo and didn't update lilo accordingly, just a minor annoyance, grumble grumble |
| 15:15.31 | Falconious | On the note of installing software manually from source, is it wise to create Debian packages out of them? |
| 15:15.49 | valdyn | Falconious: yes |
| 15:15.56 | Wyzard | Falconious: If you want to be able to uninstall cleanly and you know what you're doing, sure |
| 15:16.04 | geoalf | hello, as I install python-matplotlib in my debian/unstable I get python-numpy uninstalled, but numpy is needed to make matplotlib working, where can I ask or send a report on this? |
| 15:16.13 | valdyn | Falconious: even if those packages have no dependency information, having a unified way to track files is _good_ |
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| 15:16.49 | Falconious | I've been looking at the new maintainers guide, but it didn't clarify that point. |
| 15:16.50 | Wyzard | geoalf: Looks like it's already reported: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=426953 |
| 15:17.07 | Wyzard | Falconious: If it's a well-made package you could even propose it for inclusion in the archive |
| 15:17.12 | liable | Perdignus: lilo.conf never gets updated automagically, thats left to the admin |
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| 15:17.16 | wols | !tell geoalf about bts |
| 15:17.39 | geoalf | Wyzard: :D it's me... but I'm not sure that's the right place |
| 15:17.43 | Falconious | Part of the problem was lack of knowledge of Debian at the time. |
| 15:17.53 | Wyzard | geoalf: Yes, that's the right place |
| 15:18.03 | geoalf | Wyzard: thanks a lot! |
| 15:18.12 | Wyzard | geoalf: You reported a bug against the package where the problem exists, and that's correct |
| 15:18.12 | valdyn | Falconious: 'checkinstall' is nice if all you want is to track the installed files |
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| 15:18.35 | DaveyB | If you buy a domain name like www.test.com. Would you need to buy a mail server also or would the DNS from the domain route all mail to your address anyway? |
| 15:18.41 | Falconious | valdyn: I have seen 'checkinstall' before. |
| 15:18.44 | geoalf | Wyzard: the problem in that it is also vice-versa (installing numpy unisntalls matplotlib) |
| 15:18.46 | chops | Falconious: I actually prefer GNU stow for packages compiled from source... there's no dependency tracking or anything, but it's a lot easier than making new .debs. |
| 15:18.48 | Wyzard | geoalf: though you might want to add an explanation of why the removal of python-numpy is a bad thing... you said here that it's needed by python-matplotlib, but your report doesn't mention that |
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| 15:18.59 | valdyn | DaveyB: you would buy test.com |
| 15:19.01 | chops | Falconious: And you also get at least easy uninstallability |
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| 15:19.14 | valdyn | DaveyB: buying a www.something.com is silly |
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| 15:19.19 | waspius | can anyone tell me how i setup qtorrent as i cannot find any options? |
| 15:19.20 | Wyzard | geoalf: Usually that sort of thing is done when two packages are mutually exclusive... are you sure matplotlib really depends on numpy? |
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| 15:19.41 | o2T7 | I have uninstalled everything |
| 15:19.44 | DaveyB | valdyn, but how would i recieve my emails from that domain? |
| 15:19.50 | o2T7 | and installed by packages |
| 15:19.50 | valdyn | DaveyB: now that you have authority over test.com, you can define its mailserver. That can be the same or any other box |
| 15:19.54 | Falconious | chops: I'll keep that in mind. |
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| 15:20.05 | o2T7 | Now I get an API mismatch error |
| 15:20.13 | geoalf | Wyzard: yes, and also I cheched the "Provides:" and the files to make sure that one was not included in the other one |
| 15:20.16 | Wyzard | chops: There's a "checkinstall" package that automatically makes debs of stuff you install manually, based on monitoring what files it created |
| 15:20.29 | chops | Wyzard: Ooh, neat |
| 15:20.38 | chops | Wyzard: I hadn't known that -- thanks. |
| 15:20.52 | runa_ | hi i had a problem with my file system. After doing a fsck some files are missing; is there something like system check |
| 15:20.59 | o2T7 | 1.0-9755 kernel module, but 1.0-8776 X module |
| 15:21.02 | limpio | hi all, i'm using debian etch, and i'm trying to compile 1.4.1, checkinstall is not in the repos, i did a " apt-get build-dep ratpoison" after the ./configure i get this error:"configure: error: *** Can't find X11 headers and libs" i forgot to mention that i also installed "libx11-dev " |
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| 15:21.16 | Wyzard | o2T7: The X driver is in the nvidia-glx package |
| 15:21.21 | runa_ | i mean smthig that checks if libraries programs are working fine |
| 15:21.25 | Wyzard | o2T7: When you upgrade nvidia-kernel, you need to upgrade nvidia-glx too |
| 15:21.30 | Falconious | chops: I just took a brief look at Graft, which also seems neat. |
| 15:21.32 | tarzeau | o2T7: did you have xfree before? |
| 15:21.35 | o2T7 | ok |
| 15:21.35 | valdyn | DaveyB: you should learn about dns, this is a little to much for debian support channel, just this much: any mail sent will result in a query to the dns server 'which is the mail host for test.com', which you ( as owner of the domain ) have the right to set up |
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| 15:21.40 | tarzeau | o2T7: oh you use the debian nvidia driver stuff... |
| 15:21.40 | o2T7 | yes, i did |
| 15:21.45 | guimi | DaveyB: When you buy domain.com normally the ISP sets for you DNS configuration and mailserver |
| 15:21.47 | liable | runa_: look on lost+found in the / of the partiton |
| 15:21.52 | o2T7 | yes tarzeau |
| 15:21.52 | tarzeau | o2T7: well you need to make a choice, either nvidia binary driver or debian way |
| 15:22.08 | tarzeau | o2T7: i use the nvidia binary driver, and it works. there's one thing important when you had xfree before though |
| 15:22.14 | xlotlu | anyone got suggestions on what i should look for in a laptop? |
| 15:22.24 | o2T7 | I am trying debian way, because of nvidia's one sucks |
| 15:22.28 | tarzeau | o2T7: nvidia binary driver detects some old xfree path that's not removed, remove it, and then move the files to the right xorg place. all fine |
| 15:22.29 | abrotman | xlotlu: stuff you want |
| 15:22.41 | liable | that sworks |
| 15:22.45 | tarzeau | o2T7: nvidia one can be automated, and you can have the latest version. debian way sucks because it's old and buggy |
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| 15:22.57 | abrotman | and tarzeau will support you every day |
| 15:23.00 | valdyn | tarzeau: oh, is that right, nvidia only puts its binaries into the wrong place because debian still has file(s) there? |
| 15:23.05 | o2T7 | and, which is the old path? |
| 15:23.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: sure, if he pays me :) |
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| 15:23.07 | guimi | DaveyB: and your ISP give you FTP access to www.domain.com and pop/imap acces to mail.domain.com |
| 15:23.12 | liable | ang lub you long time |
| 15:23.15 | tarzeau | o2T7: /usr/X11R6 stuff |
| 15:23.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: then please have him use the debian method |
| 15:23.20 | xlotlu | abrotman: as in... what in terms of hardware, to be sure i'll be running linux on it -- preferably debian, even if i need to go unstable |
| 15:23.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: if the debian method is broken utterly and doesn't work at all? |
| 15:23.29 | o2T7 | fine. let's see |
| 15:23.30 | abrotman | xlotlu: still up to you |
| 15:23.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's nvidia's fault .. not debian's |
| 15:23.36 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Debian's nVidia packages are "old and buggy" ? |
| 15:23.43 | liable | !laptop |
| 15:23.43 | tarzeau | Wyzard: yes? |
| 15:23.43 | dpkg | from memory, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 15:23.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: and you shouldn't complicate matters by using a non-debian method that no one in here wants to support |
| 15:23.52 | liable | xlotlu: ^^ check em out |
| 15:23.56 | Wyzard | tarzeau: funny, it's working fine for me and everyone else I know |
| 15:24.03 | o2T7 | but, how could I pint nvidia to the new good one? |
| 15:24.04 | runa_ | iable:there are some files what should i do? |
| 15:24.04 | tarzeau | Wyzard: you got i386 and sid? |
| 15:24.05 | guimi | DaveyB: but if you want to use your server, have to talk to your ISP so they address the DNS to your machine |
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| 15:24.08 | Falconious | Thanks for your help everybody. |
| 15:24.10 | tarzeau | Wyzard: and your own latest kernel? |
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| 15:24.13 | liable | abrotman: haha, and #debian even supports the debian way.. |
| 15:24.14 | bagoor | The Subversion package in Debian Etch includes Python (SWIG) Binding or not ? Anyone has idea about it ? |
| 15:24.16 | soenke | is there a way to dump the config that is already done into an auto-install file? The problem is that the installer often hangs when it tries to retrieve packages and therefore I have to do all the prior config again (esp. the partition layout with encryption setup) |
| 15:24.19 | runa_ | liable:there are some files what should i do? |
| 15:24.22 | xlotlu | liable: thanks. been all over them by now |
| 15:24.24 | Wyzard | tarzeau: amd64 and sid, 2.6.21 and a 7600 card |
| 15:24.33 | tarzeau | Wyzard: but did you make-kpkg your kernel? |
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| 15:24.50 | o2T7 | tarzeau: will be a --purge enought? |
| 15:24.53 | tarzeau | Wyzard: do you have the install of debian way automated? |
| 15:24.56 | Wyzard | tarzeau: no, I used to do that but stopped a few months ago when I decided it wasn't worth the trouble |
| 15:25.17 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i have no choice, hardware that's not supported by debian.. so it also works with own kernels/ |
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| 15:25.25 | liable | runa_: i dont know actually, i havent had to deal with files in there before, google+linux+ext3+lost+found |
| 15:25.36 | xlotlu | for now i gave up drooling over the acer ferrari 5005, due to broadcom wireless, and no ndiswrapper as the win drivers are only 32-bit |
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| 15:25.51 | Wyzard | tarzeau: oh yeah, you have some weird situation where you compile custom kernels for lots of machines and you don't want to use module-assistant, or something like that |
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| 15:26.11 | tarzeau | Wyzard: m-a can be automated |
| 15:26.25 | abrotman | support intel! |
| 15:26.28 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i did so with the ati fglrx drivers (kinda), www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 15:26.33 | Wyzard | tarzeau: That's not the case with most people, and it's not good to advise people to use the unsupported method of installation |
| 15:26.36 | tarzeau | Wyzard: but i want that with the nvidia stuff |
| 15:26.38 | o2T7 | which is the xorg place? |
| 15:26.46 | liable | and take laptops away from children! :P |
| 15:26.47 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i wasn't advised, i just said both are possible |
| 15:26.54 | tarzeau | Wyzard: and it's his choice what he wants to do |
| 15:27.08 | Wyzard | tarzeau: <tarzeau> o2T7: nvidia one can be automated, and you can have the latest version. debian way sucks because it's old and buggy |
| 15:27.09 | tarzeau | o2T7: no more special places, all stuff in /usr/bin |
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| 15:27.22 | Wyzard | tarzeau: right, you just said it's possible, didn't recommend the unsupported way at all... |
| 15:27.30 | tarzeau | Wyzard: yes rly |
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| 15:27.43 | o2T7 | but I have libGL.so.1 libGL.so.1.2 modules X11 into /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 15:27.52 | tarzeau | o2T7: remove /usr/X11R6 |
| 15:27.56 | tarzeau | o2T7: and reinstall |
| 15:27.58 | Tricore | I keep getting this messeage "usb 1-1: reset low speed USB device using ohci_hcd and adress 2" (not running x), what's that supposed to mean ? |
| 15:28.00 | o2T7 | ok |
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| 15:28.28 | Wyzard | o2T7: Unless you have an 8xxx-series card or specialized needs, ignore tarzeau and use the package, not nVidia's script |
| 15:28.39 | liable | Tricore: the device was unplugged or unpowered? |
| 15:29.03 | tarzeau | Wyzard: is there some documentation how to install the debian way, and yes, what when i have 8xxx series cards? |
| 15:29.12 | tarzeau | Wyzard: when will they get supported by debian? |
| 15:29.19 | abrotman | PITA |
| 15:29.22 | Tricore | My printer isn't turned on, but it said that before I turned it off too... Only thing i got plugged into USB otherwise is mouse and keyboard |
| 15:29.31 | Wyzard | tarzeau: They'll be supported when nVidia releases a non-beta version of the driver |
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| 15:29.41 | tarzeau | Wyzard: not even in experimental? |
| 15:29.48 | o2T7 | Wyzard: But i get http://www.nopaste.com/p/abHdBudF7 |
| 15:29.50 | abrotman | or maybe they should buy cards from companies that don't suck! |
| 15:29.52 | tarzeau | Wyzard: the beta one worked fine here |
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| 15:30.01 | malmen | hello |
| 15:30.05 | o2T7 | glx upgrade? |
| 15:30.11 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Packaging the beta driver in experimental would be a possibility, but that's not currently done |
| 15:30.14 | malmen | anyone here know about sendmail... need here some help http://monoport.com/3193 |
| 15:30.16 | o2T7 | will try one and then another ;) |
| 15:30.34 | Wyzard | tarzeau: but the maintainer isn't likely to package the 100xx-series driver in sid until it's out of beta |
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| 15:30.39 | liable | yikes, two sendmail questions in a day! |
| 15:30.48 | limpio | hi all, i'm using debian etch, and i'm trying to compile 1.4.1, checkinstall is not in the repos, i did a " apt-get build-dep ratpoison" after the ./configure i get this error:"configure: error: *** Can't find X11 headers and libs" i forgot to mention that i also installed "libx11-dev " |
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| 15:31.00 | Wyzard | o2T7: Like I said, you need to update your nvidia-glx package |
| 15:31.14 | wols | !tell malmen about sendmail |
| 15:31.18 | Wyzard | o2T7: to 9755, the same version as the kernel module you built |
| 15:33.21 | Wyzard | o2T7: nVidia's driver consists of both a kernel module and an xorg driver, and they come in a pair of packages, nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx, which are matched to each other |
| 15:33.22 | liable | limpio: xorg-dev should fix it, but its prolly overkill, does the configure not give an exact header file its chasing? check though the makefile to see where that comment is generated |
| 15:33.22 | wols | limpio: look at configure.log to see extactly what header file it need. then go and search for this file and install the package it comes in |
| 15:33.22 | o2T7 | Wyzard: If I apt-get remove nvidia-glx and apt-get install nvidia-glx it keeps installing 1.0.8776-4 |
| 15:33.22 | Wyzard | o2T7: I'm guessing you're running etch |
| 15:33.26 | o2T7 | that's it |
| 15:33.42 | wols | o2T7: you need to download the glx from the same place you download the kernel source from |
| 15:33.54 | wols | o2T7: ie. you need to download nvidia-glx from sid |
| 15:33.59 | o2T7 | I installed precompiled image for the kernel |
| 15:34.04 | o2T7 | the one in the repositories |
| 15:34.19 | wols | o2T7: what version of module for the kernel? |
| 15:34.36 | wols | cause etch ONLY has the 87 one. not 97 |
| 15:34.36 | Wyzard | o2T7: The kernel module in etch is also 8776 |
| 15:34.45 | o2T7 | how can I know it? |
| 15:34.49 | o2T7 | see* |
| 15:34.53 | wols | dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 15:34.53 | dpkg | ii |grep nvidia 2.9-13.1 wols's private gamp collection |
| 15:34.55 | Wyzard | If you ran nVidia's installer script, it probably built the newer one |
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| 15:35.18 | o2T7 | Wyzard: Yes, that is what happened |
| 15:35.18 | wols | if you use nvidia's installer, you must not use the debian glx packages at all |
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| 15:35.32 | o2T7 | Because it said it couldn't find one already installed |
| 15:35.33 | wols | and you must uninstall the debian packages |
| 15:35.37 | Wyzard | o2T7: You aren't using an 8xxx-series card, right? |
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| 15:35.59 | liable | at least we dont get so much fglrx questions here, because it simply doesnt work ;) |
| 15:36.04 | Wyzard | wols: or rather, remove the stuff the script installed, and use the packages instead |
| 15:36.23 | o2T7 | Wizard: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] |
| 15:36.37 | Wyzard | o2T7: etch's 8776 driver will work fine for that |
| 15:36.40 | o2T7 | Is that a 8xxx-series card? |
| 15:36.52 | Wyzard | o2T7: no, the 8xxx series are the latest high-end ones |
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| 15:37.23 | o2T7 | ok, but then how can i solve the API mismatch if i have a newer kernel module? |
| 15:37.24 | jelly | liable: oh, the version of fglrx in experimental works, but everyone is afraid of experimental |
| 15:37.37 | liable | jelly: with 7.2? |
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| 15:37.43 | Wyzard | You just stop using the newer kernel module that nVidia's script built, and use the one provided by Debian instead |
| 15:37.59 | wols | o2T7: you installed stuff fom two different places. that will blow up of course |
| 15:38.02 | Wyzard | First of all you need to unstall whatever nVidia put there |
| 15:38.15 | wols | IF you insist on nvidia.com script install you have to remove all debian nvidia packages and vice versa |
| 15:38.16 | Wyzard | Someone mentioned that their script has an "--uninstall" option, which will hopefully remove most of the mess |
| 15:38.20 | jelly | liable: no, but least it has correct dependencies to prevent it from installin |
| 15:38.23 | o2T7 | The problem is that i thought i had already clean everything |
| 15:38.32 | o2T7 | But obviously i didn't |
| 15:38.40 | liable | jelly: bah, you had my hopes up for 30 seconds! |
| 15:38.45 | Wyzard | o2T7: You also need to "rmmod nvidia" |
| 15:38.48 | jelly | :-P |
| 15:39.04 | o2T7 | only that? |
| 15:39.05 | Wyzard | o2T7: Even if you removed all the files, you still have that module loaded in memory, until you remove it with rmmod |
| 15:39.18 | o2T7 | ok |
| 15:39.36 | o2T7 | then it will load the right one automagically i guess |
| 15:39.51 | chops | o2T7: No, you must arrange for there to be only one available for it to load |
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| 15:40.01 | chops | o2T7: I.e. by blowing away the one the nvidia scripts installed |
| 15:40.12 | liable | jelly: its kinda shutting the gate after the horse has bolted to have a fglrx package that detects the right deps now... |
| 15:40.22 | o2T7 | i did a nvidia-installer unistall |
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| 15:40.40 | o2T7 | But the module seems to be still there |
| 15:40.57 | Wyzard | o2T7: Next you should "apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx" to correctly put back the non-nVidia version of the OpenGL library -- this might not actually be necessary, depending on how cleanly, nVidia's script uninstalled itself, but it can't hurt so it's a good precaution |
| 15:41.55 | o2T7 | ok, I will try to clean all the rubbish that i put on my system |
| 15:42.09 | Wyzard | !tell o2T7 about nvidia one-liner |
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| 15:42.23 | o2T7 | that didn't work |
| 15:42.26 | Wyzard | o2T7: then follow the steps in that factoid, to install Debian's (version 8776) nvidia kernel module and xorg driver |
| 15:42.37 | o2T7 | it is where i started after the damn script |
| 15:42.38 | Wyzard | What didn't work when you tried it? |
| 15:42.41 | jelly | liable: I think testing still has 7.1... I switched back/forward a couple of times while trying to make 3D work on this onboard radeon. |
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| 15:42.52 | o2T7 | segmentation fault after no errors |
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| 15:43.29 | liable | jelly: i downgraded xorg-core for as long as i could remain sane, i have been using vesa for a month on a x1400 :( |
| 15:43.46 | Wyzard | If you'd already run nVidia's script before doing that, you already had the 9755 version of the kernel module loaded, and that's why X wouldn't start |
| 15:43.50 | liable | well, two weeks prolly |
| 15:44.01 | Wyzard | This time you'll have the correct 8776 kernel module loaded |
| 15:44.12 | jelly | serves ya right for being an ATI customer |
| 15:44.23 | liable | jelly: the xsf made it almost impossible to keep it downgraded. bastards! |
| 15:44.27 | Wyzard | since you did "rmmod nvidia" to unload the 9755 one from memory, and the module-assistant stuff will build and load the 8755 one |
| 15:44.57 | o2T7 | ok, i did the rmmod, will try now again |
| 15:44.58 | Wyzard | bah, 8776, not 8755 |
| 15:45.01 | Wyzard | you get the idea :-) |
| 15:45.06 | o2T7 | sure |
| 15:45.12 | liable | jelly: i like TP's, and i decided to buy a flash one, if only i got the next model down with the intel driver :( |
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| 15:45.46 | Wyzard | liable: Z60m here, with i915... works nicely |
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| 15:46.38 | liable | ya, i wish i got the intel chip, i have wasted so much time on xgl and fglrx its not funny |
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| 15:46.58 | jelly | a Z60m in my bag with i915 too... I'd been trying to find a TP with all-free-drivers |
| 15:47.22 | Wyzard | jelly: Aside from the ipw2200 firmware, you succeeded with the Z60m :-) |
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| 15:47.47 | jelly | Wyzard: that, and the Linuxant modem driver. |
| 15:47.47 | liable | they have 2200's in them still? |
| 15:47.56 | jelly | 2915, same driver |
| 15:48.03 | wols | is there _any_ wlan in notebooks that can use free drivers? |
| 15:48.04 | liable | stupid fucking modem driver is another thorn |
| 15:48.09 | Wyzard | jelly: ah... I've never bothered with the modem; I don't much care if it works or not |
| 15:48.11 | jelly | Z60m is a late 2005 model |
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| 15:48.35 | valdyn | silly to assume that firmware makes something non-free |
| 15:48.52 | liable | technically it isnt |
| 15:48.57 | jelly | I don't care for having to download firmware |
| 15:48.59 | valdyn | well, EVERYTHING has firmware |
| 15:49.00 | Wyzard | valdyn: yeah, I don't mind the firmware, but I do wish there was a Debian package of it like there is for the 3945 |
| 15:49.03 | liable | its the same as having on the chip |
| 15:49.15 | valdyn | even my cpu has microcode that i cant get the source for.. |
| 15:49.19 | liable | except intel wont let people freely distribute it |
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| 15:49.33 | liable | so it will never work for an install disk |
| 15:49.42 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 15:49.46 | Wyzard | seems kinda silly of them |
| 15:49.50 | wols | liable: until you can modify it. it's not DFSG compliant |
| 15:50.03 | wols | so even if intel lets you distribute it, still not possible to put into debian main |
| 15:50.26 | jelly | eh, non-free isn't going anywhere |
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| 15:50.36 | liable | wols: not just debian, you need to agree to a license, so *any* wireless install on any platform is impossible |
| 15:50.56 | liable | s/platform/distro/ |
| 15:51.14 | valdyn | they could probably deal with this as they deal with suns java |
| 15:51.21 | jelly | liable: agreeing to the license could be done in the installer though |
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| 15:52.09 | liable | jelly: guess the lawers havent worked out a way around that, it needs to be an individual agreement |
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| 15:53.37 | chops | liable: It doesn't "need" to be; it could just be redistributable in unmodified form. I think they just don't know/care about the needs of free software users. |
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| 15:55.15 | liable | its amazing that noone really calls them for what they are. 'winwireless' they are in exactly the same boat as winmodems, software controlls the whole radio |
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| 15:56.03 | liable | yet winmodems is a dirty word in linux, but shitty software controlled radios arent |
| 15:56.18 | TrueDD_ | re |
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| 15:56.22 | jelly | liable: does that apply to the 3945 with its daemon, and not the earlier intel devices? |
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| 15:56.31 | anapivirtua_ | Hi world. |
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| 15:57.04 | o2T7 | now it says invalid module format |
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| 16:03.41 | liable | jelly: the 3945 has free driver soon to be in mainline, but even 2100's have to load firmware and the whole thing is controlled in software |
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| 16:04.25 | wols_ | liable: there are distros that doN't give a fuck about licenses... |
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| 16:04.26 | liable | wols_: such as? |
| 16:04.26 | wols_ | o2T7: self compiled kernel driver via nvidia.com installer? |
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| 16:04.48 | o2T7 | How can I check it? |
| 16:04.48 | wols_ | liable: some lesser known ones |
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| 16:04.48 | jelly | liable: I don't see the problem in loading firmware, I just wonder if the mainboard CPU has to do the cruft of the work... which would make it a win* device |
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| 16:04.49 | wols_ | o2T7: by knowsing what youa ctually did. the error you describe happens often when the kerneel and your nvidia module were compiled ith different versions of gcc |
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| 16:05.04 | liable | jelly: it does. |
| 16:05.04 | wols_ | jelly: with cpu firmware, it's not debian that distirbutes it. so that firmware is fine. with firmware that is on a debian disk. debian has to take repsonsibility |
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| 16:05.06 | o2T7 | I followed the steps shown in wiki.debian.org howto |
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| 16:05.07 | liable | jelly: thats why theres the softmac layer of 80211 and now the new mac80211 |
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| 16:05.08 | jelly | wols_: sure, I was referring to the winmodemness of the driver only |
| 16:05.08 | jelly | liable: oh |
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| 16:05.09 | o2T7 | Well, i will try once more |
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| 16:05.10 | yopyopyop | just tried to upgrade sarge->etch, for sure, it failled, and now depencies system is fucked up, how can i resolve it ? any tutorial or ? |
| 16:05.10 | liable | jelly: because the devices are pushing more and more features into software and the host cpu |
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| 16:05.11 | wols_ | !tell yopyopyop about errors |
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| 16:05.13 | Zap-W | i get this message on boot "process `syslogd' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT" |
| 16:05.13 | liable | the netsplits seem to be getting a bit outta hand |
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| 16:05.14 | jelly | -J? |
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| 16:05.15 | liable | the join limit |
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| 16:05.16 | RichiH | jelly: join rate limiting |
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| 16:05.20 | wols_ | Zap-W: what syslogd version? |
| 16:05.21 | RichiH | jelly: we just lost a server |
| 16:05.21 | jelly | ah, is disabled now, I see |
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| 16:05.21 | RichiH | and thus we have many people joining |
| 16:05.22 | RichiH | indeed |
| 16:05.22 | wols_ | RichiH: that was more than just a normal netsplit |
| 16:05.22 | RichiH | wols_: yes |
| 16:05.23 | RichiH | well, yes and no |
| 16:05.23 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:05.26 | wols_ | it looked like you lost the server ALL of freenode's users were on :) |
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| 16:05.26 | RichiH | the server just disappeared from the intarwebs |
| 16:05.26 | yopyopyop | wols : http://paste.debian.net/29406 |
| 16:05.27 | RichiH | no, not really |
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| 16:05.27 | liable | the dumptruck crashed! |
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| 16:05.27 | yopyopyop | what i got when i do a apt-get -f install |
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| 16:05.27 | liable | problems |
| 16:05.27 | RichiH | wols_: only a few thousand ;) |
| 16:05.29 | jelly | out of what, a few thousand? |
| 16:05.38 | liable | 20 or so? |
| 16:05.44 | malmen | need help with send mail |
| 16:05.45 | malmen | http://monoport.com/3195 |
| 16:05.47 | RichiH | jelly: we had ~35k before the split |
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| 16:06.08 | RichiH | we recovered to 33.5k |
| 16:06.17 | RichiH | sucks |
| 16:06.21 | RichiH | but nothing we can do |
| 16:06.46 | wols_ | yopyopyop: uninstall postfix and all of sasl. then reinstall it |
| 16:07.01 | malmen | sasl ? |
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| 16:07.07 | liable | RichiH: seems to be a lot going on in the last few days |
| 16:07.20 | Zap-W | wols_, in a sec i shall tell ya |
| 16:07.27 | yopyopyop | wols_, got an error when i try to remove |
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| 16:07.28 | liable | i know there was a shceduled rotation or wahtever |
| 16:07.35 | wols_ | yopyopyop: dpkg -r it |
| 16:07.36 | Zap-W | wols_, the one is etch stable which iss..... |
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| 16:08.12 | liable | !dyslexiasmite me |
| 16:08.18 | liable | hrm |
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| 16:08.22 | yopyopyop | lot of thing depends on mta |
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| 16:08.36 | wols_ | Zap-W: I don't want to see what's in etch. I want to see what's on YOUR box |
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| 16:08.36 | Zap-W | sysklogd (1.4.1-18) unstable; urgency=medium |
| 16:08.37 | liable | theres a need for that smite |
| 16:08.38 | wols_ | yopyopyop: true |
| 16:08.42 | yopyopyop | it wouldnt let me install exim4 until other problems are solve |
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| 16:09.03 | yopyopyop | and i cant remove postfix if exim4 or other mta is installed |
| 16:09.07 | Zap-W | wols_, sysklogd (1.4.1-18) unstable; urgency=medium |
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| 16:09.45 | jelly | ... there's no real reason why postfix' postinst failed, though |
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| 16:10.08 | jelly | (and the missing locale perl messages don't help either ;-) |
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| 16:10.52 | jelly | "aborting postfix install" |
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| 16:11.14 | wols_ | jelly: conflict with libsasl2 version. I wonder how he upgraded to etch. probably didn't read the release notes |
| 16:11.25 | wols_ | Zap-W: unstable is not etch |
| 16:11.34 | wols_ | !find sysklogd etch |
| 16:11.38 | jelly | wols_: ah, a dependency loop? |
| 16:11.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sysklogd' (4 of 5): (/usr/lib/cruft/filters/sysklogd) in admin/cruft ;; (/usr/share/insserv/overrides/sysklogd) in misc/insserv ;; (/etc/logcheck/ignore.d.paranoid/sysklogd) in admin/logcheck-database ;; (/etc/init.d/sysklogd, /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd, /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd) in admin/sysklogd. |
| 16:11.43 | Zap-W | wols_, that's what it says in /usr/share/doc |
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| 16:11.54 | Zap-W | changelog.Debian.gz |
| 16:12.07 | Zap-W | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:12.08 | Zap-W | 4.0 |
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| 16:12.30 | liable | thats the changes though, not a version |
| 16:12.40 | wols_ | Zap-W: dpkg -l |grep sysklogd |
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| 16:12.50 | liable | is it the last changelog for it? |
| 16:13.00 | wols_ | !info sysklogd etch |
| 16:13.04 | Zap-W | *1.4.1-18* |
| 16:13.05 | dpkg | sysklogd: (System Logging Daemon), section admin, is important. Version: 1.4.1-18 (etch), Packaged size: 56 kB, Installed size: 212 kB |
| 16:13.05 | liable | if so, it hasnt been upgraded since |
| 16:13.15 | wols_ | Zap-W: ok. it's the etch version |
| 16:13.37 | Zap-W | i knew that |
| 16:13.40 | Zap-W | :P |
| 16:13.55 | jelly | wols_: postfix Depends: on an unversioned libsasl2-2 (and Suggests unversioned sasl2-bin and libsasl*modules). Things should have worked, IMO ... it if were for only those packages |
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| 16:14.47 | wols_ | yopyopyop: dpkg-reconfigure locales first |
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| 16:14.58 | wols_ | then try again. easier to see when there are no locales errors |
| 16:15.01 | Zap-W | wols_, now what? |
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| 16:15.17 | yopyopyop | wols_, already tried ;) /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 16:15.20 | wols_ | Zap-W: how did you install/upgrade to etch? anything held back? |
| 16:15.24 | wols_ | Zap-W: what kernel? |
| 16:15.45 | Zap-W | wols_, i installed clean from deboostrap , ah i am running 2.6.20 backported from sid |
| 16:15.52 | wols_ | yopyopyop: apt-get install postfix libsasl2 |
| 16:15.59 | Zap-W | 2.6.18 has issues with my agp chipset |
| 16:16.02 | jelly | yopyopyop: export LANG=C for the time being if you want to get rid of those messages |
| 16:16.09 | Zap-W | atleast the debianized ver does |
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| 16:16.31 | Zap-W | like dosent detect it |
| 16:16.55 | Zap-W | it;s agpgart:Intel 946GZ Chipset. |
| 16:16.55 | yopyopyop | wols_, im removing manualy half system |
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| 16:17.09 | yopyopyop | as long as it is just apache, postfix or samba, i will reconfigure them later |
| 16:17.14 | wols_ | yopyopyop: I wouldn't |
| 16:17.26 | liable | apt-get or aptitude? |
| 16:17.52 | yopyopyop | wols_, http://paste.debian.net/29408 |
| 16:17.53 | bonez39 | I am running apt-get dist-upgrade..and keep seeing messages that perl : setting locale failed...perl seems to have trouble installing...in relation to my systems locale...what might cause this? |
| 16:18.07 | liable | snap! |
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| 16:18.18 | jelly | heh |
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| 16:18.35 | RichiH | liable: well, the other outages have been scheduled for a month |
| 16:18.53 | bonez39 | here's the message, in part >> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en_US:en_GB:en", LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_US" are supported and installed on your system. |
| 16:18.54 | liable | RichiH: k |
| 16:18.56 | RichiH | liable: if a main sponsor needs to upgrade stuff, there is no way around outages |
| 16:18.56 | Zap-W | anyone here got bootsplash working right in debian etch? |
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| 16:19.07 | liable | RichiH: fair enough |
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| 16:19.40 | wols_ | yopyopyop: any package that it wants to install but "is not going to be instaleld" should be put in your apt-get install line |
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| 16:20.07 | cat | who has a new cd of rakim y ken y |
| 16:20.23 | jelly | bonez39: that's just a warning, you can dpkg-reconfigure locales (or dpkg --configure locales if it's half installed) and add your locale. |
| 16:20.27 | JosefAssad | wha? |
| 16:20.34 | waspius | any ideas how i can change my spash screen?under gnome |
| 16:20.42 | bonez39 | jelly, I think it's just half installed...so you say to run dpkg --configure once apt-get finishes? |
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| 16:21.01 | wols_ | waspius: you fixed your qtorrent problem? |
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| 16:21.18 | yopyopyop | wols_, and that : http://paste.debian.net/29409 |
| 16:21.20 | liable | dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 16:21.21 | yopyopyop | there is a conflict |
| 16:21.23 | waspius | wols_: no...but i asked around and they told me to use ktorrent |
| 16:21.26 | jelly | bonez39: it's possible that it'll be fixed by the time apt-get is finished |
| 16:21.43 | waspius | wols_: i did not find any solutions or any manual |
| 16:21.43 | bonez39 | jelly, ok, I'll let 'er run until done. and see then.... |
| 16:21.53 | malmen | anyone know how to make a postfix a non openrelay ? |
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| 16:22.30 | wols_ | waspius: dpkg -L qtorrent | grep bin. those are the binaries for qtorrent. |
| 16:22.33 | RichiH | yay, we found our server |
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| 16:22.47 | wols_ | waspius: as root netstat -anp |grep LISTEN to see what port(s) it uses |
| 16:22.51 | blinx | hm |
| 16:22.53 | liable | on a truck heading to the bahamas? |
| 16:22.53 | RichiH | ok, it just came back of its own when the route converged, again ;) |
| 16:22.58 | waspius | wols_: thank you |
| 16:23.01 | RichiH | liable: almost |
| 16:23.05 | blinx | I have some problems compiling the project x sourc |
| 16:23.07 | blinx | e |
| 16:23.37 | blinx | I have installed all sun-java6-* packages, the build process only shows some warnings |
| 16:23.55 | liam2 | HI, I'm trying to disable usb. I blacklisted the modules in /etc/modprobe.d and in /etc/hotplug/vlacklist.d/ but they still load. |
| 16:23.58 | liable | hehe, one of them floating trucks too. i amaze myself with my comments at times |
| 16:24.02 | blinx | java -jar ProjectX.jar has the following output |
| 16:24.06 | Zap-W | what does Pending Upload bugs |
| 16:24.11 | Zap-W | not taken cared off? |
| 16:24.15 | liable | !blacklist |
| 16:24.16 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 16:24.34 | RichiH | Zap-W: pending means there is no fix, yet |
| 16:24.36 | liable | blinx: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 16:24.46 | blinx | http://paste.debian.net/29411 |
| 16:24.59 | Zap-W | banans |
| 16:25.01 | yopyopyop | it works, it just ask me for a dump postfix question about my domain, as long as i write my main.cf i told him to dont change config. this time i putted yes and now all dist-upgrade run .... |
| 16:25.04 | Zap-W | banananas |
| 16:25.04 | liable | liam2: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 16:25.14 | Zap-W | RichiH, how you doing btw, all good? |
| 16:25.17 | liam2 | liable: thanks |
| 16:25.24 | RichiH | Zap-W: kiwitastic |
| 16:25.34 | wols_ | blinx: you do NOT use sun java. you do not use java6 |
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| 16:25.38 | liable | your in nz? |
| 16:25.46 | Zap-W | L:) |
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| 16:26.48 | blinx | wols_: sorry, what I have to do? |
| 16:27.09 | wols_ | uninstall gcj/gij and use the right version of java |
| 16:27.10 | Zap-W | hey anyone know a tool for shutting down remotely multiplie computers in a private network? |
| 16:27.28 | blinx | wols_: I should use the version 5? |
| 16:28.15 | wols_ | blinx: 6 is fine. when you actually use it. right now, you don't |
| 16:28.28 | wols_ | gcj's java is before Sun's in the path |
| 16:28.41 | waspius | wols_: i dont make sense..:( i cant dont know which one it is..plus another problem is that my console does not let me look at the top of the page...it pulls me down for some reason to the # |
| 16:29.43 | wols_ | waspius: netstat -anp |grep LIST | less |
| 16:29.59 | wols_ | and rightmost there are names. names of the programs running who have that port open |
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| 16:30.04 | wols_ | but only if you run as root |
| 16:30.42 | blinx | wols_: how I can fix my problem? |
| 16:31.11 | wols_ | I already told you |
| 16:31.29 | blinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.32 | blinx | I understand |
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| 16:31.43 | wols_ | blinx: that's the easiest solution |
| 16:31.57 | wols_ | the only java you want installed is Sun's |
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| 16:32.07 | wols_ | right now you have 2 installed |
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| 16:32.46 | waspius | wols_: ok thank you found it |
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| 16:33.22 | waspius | wols_: any idea why i cannot browse in the console and stay somewhere and it always takes me to # ? |
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| 16:34.44 | blinx | wols_: I'm installing it ;-) |
| 16:34.57 | wols_ | waspius: cause that's how a console works? |
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| 16:35.11 | wols_ | waspius: use | less for output of commands. then you can scroll |
| 16:35.18 | wols_ | or use a xterm with a big scrollback buffer |
| 16:35.18 | dakoo | I have returned |
| 16:35.52 | waspius | wols_: so after a command i need to add | less and then i can scroll through it? |
| 16:35.58 | wols_ | blinx: you can install anything you want. unless you either remove cuj/gcj or explicitly call the sun java bineary, you won't solve your problem |
| 16:36.13 | wols_ | waspius: then you can scroll through the output of that command yes |
| 16:36.59 | waspius | wols_: cool..thank you!!any idea for how to change my splash screen:) or any manual i can find?because most of what i find is around ubuntu |
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| 16:37.24 | wols_ | waspius: I don't do gnome. ask #gnome |
| 16:37.41 | waspius | wols_: i did noone speaks in there |
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| 16:37.49 | wols_ | waspius: you can try the ubuntu solution. it might even work. if it doesn't you haven't lost anything except a little time for trying |
| 16:38.04 | Innatech | waspius: art.gnome.org/faq.php |
| 16:38.15 | waspius | wols_: through ubuntu you add repos etc |
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| 16:38.49 | waspius | Innatech: i will check it ..thank you |
| 16:38.52 | Innatech | waspius: To change the splash screen, put the downloaded image in an unobtrusive location (since it will need to remain there as long as you want it to be the splash screen). A logical location would be ~/.gnome/splash.png (or .jpeg if the image is a JPEG). Then, edit the GConf key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_screen using the Configuration Editor (Panel menu->System Tools->Configuration Editor) or the commandline tool gconftool |
| 16:38.52 | Innatech | -2. |
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| 16:39.01 | wols_ | debian might have the same stuff that is in the ubuntu repost. ie. same kind of packages |
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| 16:39.47 | waspius | Innatech: thank you |
| 16:39.50 | tanaka_ | hi all |
| 16:39.53 | Innatech | no prob. |
| 16:40.05 | hark | !info gnome-splashscreen-manager |
| 16:40.07 | dpkg | gnome-splashscreen-manager: (manage your GNOME splash screen images), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2-6 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 16:40.39 | Innatech | even better. |
| 16:40.48 | cydork | waspius: there is also gnome-art |
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| 16:41.33 | waspius | cydork: i use gnome-look..is that better? |
| 16:41.41 | tanaka_ | can anyone tell me how to buld a netinst cd with a new kernel under ubuntu |
| 16:41.57 | wols_ | !Ubuntu |
| 16:41.58 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 16:42.00 | cydork | waspius: i don't just saw that in apt-cache search :) |
| 16:42.12 | tanaka_ | can anyone tell me how to build a debian netinst cd with a new kernel under ubuntu |
| 16:42.12 | waspius | :) |
| 16:42.28 | wols_ | tanaka_: you are in #debian. no one can tell you about ubuntu. please go to #ubuntu |
| 16:42.30 | loesh|home | !ubuntu |
| 16:42.30 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 16:42.46 | wols_ | hmm. except |
| 16:42.51 | cydork | wols_: he wants to build debian cd!! |
| 16:42.51 | wols_ | !custom cd |
| 16:42.52 | dpkg | hmm... custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian |
| 16:43.19 | wols_ | tanaka_: but I'd suggest you use a sage 2.6.20 installer instead and upgrade then to etch |
| 16:43.22 | wols_ | !sarge 2.6.20 |
| 16:43.23 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.20 is, like, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 16:43.40 | tanaka_ | It seems contain a guide to do that under debian. |
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| 16:44.27 | SamuraiDio | can i update a package, and all its dependencies? |
| 16:44.41 | wols_ | tanaka_: we cannot help you with the ubuntu specifics. the guides probably assume a debian system for building |
| 16:44.41 | SamuraiDio | i mean, a vitual package |
| 16:44.51 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: yes. aptitude install package |
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| 16:45.16 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: apt always upgrades all dependencies |
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| 16:45.49 | waspius | one question...is it good to have and use the sudo command or not? |
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| 16:46.13 | waspius | or does it depend on what system you are running |
| 16:46.53 | wols_ | waspius: mostly a matter of preference |
| 16:46.53 | cydork | waspius: depends... you can configure sudo to be more restrictive! |
| 16:47.34 | SamuraiDio | wols_, no, i have virtual packages that are used to install all the packages i need, but updating it, it does not update the dependencies (the packages it should install) |
| 16:47.43 | waspius | ok |
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| 16:47.54 | Cyorxamp | Whats the easiest way of tar and gzipping the entire filesystem? |
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| 16:48.14 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: what "virtual package"? all I know are meta packages. like kde or such |
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| 16:48.34 | SamuraiDio | wols_, sure |
| 16:48.48 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: and metapackageas are packages like any other. they have depencenies which is their entire point. so what package? |
| 16:48.49 | tanaka_ | will it mess the system in anyway if I upgrade from the kmuto sarge amd64 to etch amd64 |
| 16:48.50 | SamuraiDio | the're packages made pf the cvs of Enlightenment DR17 |
| 16:49.04 | SamuraiDio | of* |
| 16:49.32 | tanaka_ | using apt |
| 16:49.33 | wols_ | SamuraiDio: then whoever made the packages fucked up |
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| 16:49.44 | wols_ | tanaka_: no |
| 16:50.08 | Saint-Takeshi | can someone tell me the ati oneliner? |
| 16:50.13 | wols_ | tanaka_: kmuto's is just a custom isntaller like you asked for with a newer kernel so certain hardware is working. like i965 based boards |
| 16:50.20 | wols_ | !ati one-liner |
| 16:50.20 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
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| 16:51.48 | tanaka_ | etch doen't even detect the onboard nic nor the hdd controller in i975 |
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| 16:54.13 | SamuraiDio | what means mark a package as 'auto'? |
| 16:54.44 | liable | Saint-Takeshi: fglrx is broken for xorg7.2 btw |
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| 16:55.16 | SamuraiDio | it seens if i mark it as auto it will update, but if i mark my entire list as auto, some packages will be uninstalled |
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| 16:55.41 | runa_ | can sb help me abilitate the direct rendering |
| 16:55.52 | runa_ | i cant find a good howto |
| 16:55.57 | tanaka_ | kmuto doesn't have debian amd64 with 2.6.20 or + kernel |
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| 16:58.26 | tanaka_ | the latest kmuto has for amd64 is 2.6.18 ,which is the with etch contains |
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| 16:59.12 | SamuraiDio | what means the flag 'A' - auto on the packages, in aptitude? |
| 16:59.31 | tanaka_ | any suggestion? |
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| 17:02.41 | gpm | tanaka_: what's kmuto? |
| 17:02.47 | wols_ | !sarge 2.6.20 |
| 17:02.48 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.20 is http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 17:02.49 | nivanson | SamuraiDio: Aptitude tracks what you installed manually and what you got as dependencies. A is for auto, meaning the installed package is a dependency. |
| 17:02.56 | gpm | wols_: thanks |
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| 17:03.08 | andrew__ | has anybody else had a "broken packet" error when trying to install wine on debian etch 4.0 (xandros 4.0)? |
| 17:03.20 | wols_ | !xandros |
| 17:03.20 | dpkg | somebody said xandros was a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
| 17:03.30 | tanaka_ | the sarge 2.6.20 is a i386 image |
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| 17:03.50 | gpm | well, sarge didn't support amd64 |
| 17:04.03 | kingsley | Is Jim Van Zandt here? |
| 17:04.08 | wols_ | gpm: in a half semi official way it did over its lifetime. very strange that |
| 17:04.19 | wols_ | gpm: e.g. amd64 got security updates |
| 17:04.30 | gpm | wols_: oh i didn't know about the security updates |
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| 17:04.58 | andrew__ | Xandros is a bit over-the-top simplistic, but it has done well for the little I actually do on the computer... just trying to get wine to install to run a couple programs |
| 17:04.59 | gpm | has *everything* been ported to amd64 with etch? i'm just curious |
| 17:05.12 | wols_ | gpm: never really understood how supported amd64 was. I don't have such a cpu either |
| 17:05.26 | wols_ | gpm: of course. amd64 is a normal etch platform like any other |
| 17:05.34 | chops | gpm: Some stuff is un"port"able because of being non-free, but everything else should be fine |
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| 17:05.42 | wols_ | but a soon as you go into contrib or non-free it's a wasteland of course |
| 17:05.48 | liable | gpm: unlikely |
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| 17:06.03 | wols_ | chops: contrib and non-free are not debian |
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| 17:06.09 | gpm | chops: wow, so all of main is ported...cool. i thought it was worse than that |
| 17:06.24 | gpm | wols_: true, but i think most people have to dip their feet into it a little |
| 17:06.29 | liable | i wouldnt even bet on all of main |
| 17:06.30 | hark | wine isn't afaik (sid only) |
| 17:06.38 | gpm | liable: that's what i thought before just now |
| 17:06.45 | gpm | now i'm confused |
| 17:07.11 | pickcoder | gpm: the package stats are pretty close |
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| 17:07.29 | chops | gpm: Nearly all of main is. There may be trouble with things that are too intimately tied to CPU details; wine, valgrind (though I think it supports amd64 now), and so on |
| 17:07.43 | tanaka_ | what should I do now to install debian on my system,I cant instal the i386 ver because it will not utilize all of 4gb ram i have in the system |
| 17:07.44 | gpm | cool |
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| 17:07.57 | gpm | so it's actually worth it for me to consider a new processor |
| 17:08.20 | pickcoder | I run a dual-core Xeon here with the AMD64 release as well as many 32-bit boxen |
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| 17:09.13 | cydork | hmm aptitude shows 17739 packages on etch.. and dpkg shows 18601.. |
| 17:09.21 | andrew__ | is there something I need to install prior to installing the latest version of wine to get it to install properly under Xandros 4? |
| 17:09.40 | liable | gpm: even with a 64 i would still use 32 unless you have a shitload of ram or use apps that actually make use of 64 |
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| 17:09.44 | furrywolf | eagle's readme.debian... "Eagle must be run once as root to install the license key file." I rather don't like running random user software as root... shouldn't the .deb stick the file in the right location to begin with? :) |
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| 17:10.06 | andrew__ | I would think so... |
| 17:10.23 | gpm | liable: i've never had to specify 'i386', shouldn't it autodetc amd64 and use it appropriately if i have it? |
| 17:10.31 | BleSS | how let that an user (that didin't run X-windows) can open a graphical application? I run export DISPLAY=":0" |
| 17:10.47 | cahoot | BleSS: use 'sux' |
| 17:10.56 | liable | gpm: are you talking of running a pure 64bit system? its a different installer |
| 17:11.14 | gpm | liable: well, if i have the multi-arch dvd? |
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| 17:11.32 | liable | gpm: i dont know what they are capable of |
| 17:11.39 | tanaka_ | people help this poor soul who just needs to get debian on his system |
| 17:12.04 | gpm | help him! |
| 17:12.21 | liable | dpkg: help him! |
| 17:12.34 | liable | !stupid bot |
| 17:12.34 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
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| 17:13.37 | dogmeat | nivanson, what's the question? |
| 17:13.47 | wols_ | nivanson: until you state your problem, you will have to continue screaming |
| 17:13.55 | wols_ | forever |
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| 17:14.01 | gpm | i think he's screaming for tanaka_ |
| 17:14.11 | nivanson | gpm: Pretty much, yeah ;) |
| 17:14.32 | dogmeat | gpm, psychic |
| 17:14.40 | gpm | dogmeat: no, it made sense in context |
| 17:14.56 | liable | erm, crystel ball |
| 17:14.56 | nvz | liable: get your hand out of your pants :P |
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| 17:15.13 | gonzaloaf_work | hello, I'm using this line in a script: grep -i $ip filex, the thing is when I run the script, the $ip value is echoed to the standard output, how can I avoid that? |
| 17:15.19 | gpm | everyone's just so quick type !ask |
| 17:15.24 | gpm | they missed a joke :( |
| 17:15.37 | liable | nvz: why, its the funnest part of me! :P |
| 17:15.52 | gpm | s/,/? ? |
| 17:16.00 | nvz | liable: yeah little things usually are funny |
| 17:16.04 | gpm | nvz: nice |
| 17:16.06 | tanaka_ | does any one here use a i975 mb /w debian |
| 17:16.10 | liable | thats just nasty |
| 17:16.22 | gpm | hey, you had it coming |
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| 17:17.44 | tanaka_ | i want to dispose ubuntu as soon as possible plz |
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| 17:18.22 | gpm | !quotd184 < liable> nvz: why, its the funnest part of me! :P < nvz> liable: yeah little things usually are funny |
| 17:18.22 | dpkg | gpm: what are you talking about? |
| 17:18.26 | gpm | damn it |
| 17:18.29 | gpm | how do i set a quote? |
| 17:18.34 | gpm | !help quotd |
| 17:18.34 | pickcoder | tanaka_: if you don't specify the problem then no one can offer suggestions to fix it |
| 17:18.39 | gpm | !help qotd |
| 17:19.10 | gpm | pickcoder: he did |
| 17:19.12 | gpm | scroll up |
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| 17:19.30 | Decepticon | which command line torrent client in the etch catalog has encryption? |
| 17:19.38 | liable | !beat gpm |
| 17:19.45 | pickcoder | that's not a question relating to a problem |
| 17:20.05 | gpm | no, he asked a real question, it was a while back though |
| 17:20.09 | Qaldune | hi there |
| 17:20.23 | liable | gpm: if you are gonna make a qotd, you need to include the details |
| 17:20.24 | pickcoder | oh |
| 17:20.43 | Qaldune | i'd like to explain my situation in order to get help if somebody is up to help me :) |
| 17:20.47 | gpm | liable: help me! or point me to help! |
| 17:20.55 | gpm | help this poor soul record a quote! |
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| 17:21.08 | liable | gpm: haha, you think i'm stu-pid? |
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| 17:21.32 | Qaldune | i'm a ubuntu user and i've got more thatn 4 years of linux experience but i've never tried debian |
| 17:21.33 | gpm | pickcoder: i guess he never asked it coherently, but i remember grasping his problem (and being unable to help) |
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| 17:21.37 | gpm | !ubuntu |
| 17:21.37 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 17:21.47 | gpm | liable: aww |
| 17:21.52 | liable | i am not going to help with a quote that mentions me and my small balls or rubbing them! |
| 17:22.06 | gpm | or wiener |
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| 17:22.15 | pickcoder | tanaka_: just install the base kernel and then install the bigmem kernel after your system is running |
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| 17:22.54 | Qaldune | i'd like to get in touch with debian sarge but i don't want to download all that bunch of cds that are available at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:23.03 | gpm | !net install |
| 17:23.27 | gpm | !netinst |
| 17:23.27 | dpkg | [netinst] a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 17:23.41 | gpm | or just use the first CD |
| 17:23.44 | gpm | you don't need all of them |
| 17:23.55 | Qaldune | the point about netinstall is that i've got a tricky usb - wifi card and i don't know if i would be able to set the driver up using the net install cd |
| 17:23.56 | gonzaloaf_work | hello, I'm using this line in a script: grep -i $ip filex, the thing is when I run the script, the $ip value is echoed to the standard output, how can I avoid that? |
| 17:24.10 | tanaka_ | pickcoder: debian etch kernel doesn't detect my hdd controller nor the nic |
| 17:24.15 | wols_ | Qaldune: very very unlikely |
| 17:24.22 | gpm | Qaldune: ok, so get the first etch CD |
| 17:24.29 | pickcoder | tanaka_: which controller is it |
| 17:24.32 | gpm | Qaldune: it has all the software you'll need |
| 17:24.46 | Qaldune | gcc, make and that all driver compiling stuff? |
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| 17:24.47 | wols_ | gpm: except the usb driver for the chip :) |
| 17:25.03 | Qaldune | wols_ hehe i'll take care about that :) |
| 17:25.04 | ugly | which journaling filesystem would most quickly read data on a partition that is over 90% full? the partition will have thousands of files with an average size of 6-8MBs |
| 17:25.20 | wols_ | !ext3 |
| 17:25.20 | dpkg | somebody said ext3 was the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about "ext2->ext3", "xfs" and "ricerfs". |
| 17:25.30 | gpm | wols_: yeah, i'm scatterbrained, i shouldn't be helping |
| 17:25.36 | gpm | "helping" |
| 17:25.46 | liable | your not! |
| 17:25.49 | liable | :P |
| 17:25.52 | gpm | s/your/you're |
| 17:26.03 | gpm | wols_: how does one record a quote with dpkg? |
| 17:26.11 | liable | ah, a grammar nazi to the core |
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| 17:26.11 | ugly | wols_: are you saying that ext3 is the fastest at over 90% or are you just naming it as a catch-all? |
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| 17:26.29 | tanaka_ | pickcoder: ich7r |
| 17:26.34 | abrotman | liable: wouldn't be so bad if you didn't do it all the time :) |
| 17:26.42 | wols_ | I'm saying that you won't notice any different between ext3 and anything else with your scenario |
| 17:26.43 | liable | ugly: google, filesystems all vary acording to use |
| 17:26.43 | ugly | I plan to use different filesystems for different partitions, so I want the most appropriate for each |
| 17:26.51 | gpm | i am not a nazi |
| 17:26.58 | tanaka_ | the 2 |
| 17:27.05 | tanaka_ | sorry |
| 17:27.06 | ugly | liable: yes, that's what I described what my use would be |
| 17:27.15 | ugly | s/what/why/ |
| 17:27.28 | liable | abrotman: i could stop, but it would ruin the ambeince if you guys didnt have someone to pick on ;) |
| 17:27.35 | gpm | ugly: which "what" ? |
| 17:27.37 | gpm | :P |
| 17:27.44 | pickcoder | tanaka_: is it in SATA or AHCI mode? |
| 17:27.50 | tanaka_ | the 2.6.20 kernel in ubuntu detects all the hardware fine |
| 17:27.54 | liable | ambiance even |
| 17:27.59 | gpm | abrotman: don't take that bait! |
| 17:28.00 | tanaka_ | pickcoder: SATA |
| 17:28.01 | liable | or whatever |
| 17:28.08 | ugly | gpm: I didn't specify /g, so sed would replace the first instance :P |
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| 17:28.26 | gpm | ugly: nicely done! |
| 17:28.32 | gpm | but what about perl!? |
| 17:28.35 | gpm | jk |
| 17:28.39 | chrome|debian | hello. after dist-upgrade from sarge to etch with kde 3.4.3, all applets from control center, sysinfo etc are shown in Lost&Found submenu of K menu. what can I do? |
| 17:28.45 | ugly | think it would behave the same |
| 17:28.45 | liable | its for lunitics |
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| 17:29.09 | gpm | chrome|debian: you could try backing up your kde config, and starting with no kde config (defaults)...just an idea |
| 17:29.09 | tanaka_ | pickcoder: the nic is also not detected |
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| 17:29.18 | gpm | liable: it's |
| 17:29.21 | gpm | liable: lunatics |
| 17:29.26 | chrome|debian | gpm, tried |
| 17:29.26 | rod | what's the udeb depend the kernel? |
| 17:29.31 | rod | what's options? |
| 17:29.33 | gpm | ambiance restored |
| 17:29.33 | wols_ | tanaka_: what nic is it bet? make, model? |
| 17:29.36 | chrome|debian | tried something kinda this |
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| 17:29.42 | gpm | chrome|debian: i'm outta ideas |
| 17:29.50 | wols_ | tanaka_: and you should make a bugreport |
| 17:30.04 | tanaka_ | pickcoder: the onboard nic is also not detected |
| 17:30.05 | chrome|debian | gpm, where control center etc stores info about applets installed? |
| 17:30.08 | wols_ | cause an asus i975 is a fairly old and common mobo |
| 17:30.14 | tanner | Hi, anyone know how to cancel a command on a SPARC in OpenBoot? |
| 17:30.17 | liable | gpm: i rewrote the irssi spelling script to remove apostrphies and add random errors |
| 17:30.20 | pickcoder | tanaka_: try AHCI mode on the controller. If it still doesn't work then I think you may need to use Knoppix or another live CD and get the PCI vendor and device codes |
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| 17:30.44 | pickcoder | it could be that the ich driver doesn't recognize the specific chip you have |
| 17:30.54 | liable | i call it the beergoggles script |
| 17:30.59 | tanaka_ | pickcoder: the whole thing has got to go with the kernel |
| 17:31.05 | gpm | chrome|debian: gnome user here...that was my only idea :( |
| 17:31.12 | tanaka_ | pickcoder: the whole thing has got to do with the kernel |
| 17:31.13 | pickcoder | ? |
| 17:31.22 | pickcoder | really? |
| 17:31.22 | gpm | liable: that's dumb |
| 17:31.24 | pickcoder | wo so? |
| 17:31.27 | gpm | :P |
| 17:31.28 | pickcoder | s/wo/how |
| 17:31.48 | liable | gpm: no, its a conversation starter, as you have noticed :P |
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| 17:32.06 | tanaka_ | pickcoder: i am asking how to make a custom etch /w 2.6.20 kernel under ubuntu |
| 17:32.10 | gpm | liable: as long as you know what you've done is wrong and will spark the interest of nazis everywhere |
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| 17:32.23 | gpm | tanaka_: we don't support ubuntu... |
| 17:32.31 | gpm | we support *debian* |
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| 17:32.40 | wols_ | gpm: he wants a custom cd and uses ubuntu to build the cd |
| 17:32.44 | liable | gpm: i love being spell checked. it makes me rub my ball |
| 17:32.45 | wols_ | then he wants to install debian |
| 17:33.03 | gpm | wols_: how are these two connected. |
| 17:33.03 | tanaka_ | yeah |
| 17:33.08 | gpm | s/./? |
| 17:33.15 | wols_ | tanaka_: have you tried, say, a lenny install cd. it might have a 2.6.20 kernel (hipefully) |
| 17:33.24 | pickcoder | tanaka_: keep in mind that if you install with a custom kernel, you may encouter problems no one here can help you with |
| 17:33.25 | gpm | shouldn't he use official debian media to install debian? |
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| 17:33.31 | liable | there are new d-i's? |
| 17:33.35 | wols_ | gpm: to make a custom CD you need a linux to make it in. he cannot run debian right now since he can't install it in the frist place... |
| 17:33.48 | wols_ | gpm: etch doesn't recognize his sata or nic |
| 17:33.59 | abrotman | whihc controller ? |
| 17:34.00 | gpm | wols_: because he needs 2.6.20? |
| 17:34.01 | wols_ | liable: there are lenny weeklies. dunno what kernel |
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| 17:34.11 | wols_ | abrotman: asus i975 board |
| 17:34.21 | abrotman | ich8? |
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| 17:34.30 | gpm | wols_: sorry |
| 17:34.34 | wols_ | probably. i975 came out slightly before the i965 |
| 17:34.37 | xayon | Hi, I've recently installed debian testing xfce, and i cant up my network I've copied here m syslog, dmesg and ifconfig, I've got an iee1394 interface and a ethernet one (eth0 and eth1) |
| 17:34.37 | abrotman | it'd be 2.6.21 going in .. not .20 |
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| 17:34.57 | xayon | ups, sorry, I forgot the link : http://rafb.net/p/S3FOkv73.html thanks in advance |
| 17:35.01 | wols_ | xayon: edit your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:35.06 | gpm | fine, i don't think 21's gone in either |
| 17:35.18 | liable | ich8 isnt in .18? |
| 17:35.23 | gpm | in other words, i think it's still on .18 |
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| 17:35.32 | liable | did he even mention the controller? |
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| 17:35.37 | wols_ | xayon: set a static IP in interfaces |
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| 17:35.52 | liable | it should have a compatibilty mode anyway |
| 17:35.58 | xayon | wols_, my router can't handle static ips |
| 17:36.07 | liable | wtf? |
| 17:36.13 | xayon | I've to use dhcp |
| 17:36.20 | tanaka_ | Ubuntu 7.04(Feisty) detcted all my hardware,i975 has the ich7r sb |
| 17:36.24 | wols_ | xayon: this I don't believe. and it certainly isn't offering any dhcp lease |
| 17:36.29 | liable | what kind of stupid fucking router is that |
| 17:36.43 | xayon | wols_, I'm using this router with another pc now |
| 17:37.03 | BleSS | how let that an user access to X-Windows? |
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| 17:37.24 | xayon | liable ... ono's cable-router but.. What's the matter with dhcp? why do you all hate it so much? |
| 17:37.24 | tanaka_ | is someone going to help me or not? |
| 17:37.32 | gpm | patience is a virtue |
| 17:37.34 | gpm | seriously |
| 17:37.43 | wols_ | BleSS: nothing special to do. run startx or log in at the dm |
| 17:37.47 | gpm | as is asking coherently |
| 17:37.55 | liable | xayon: we dont hate it, its just that when it doesnt work, you set a static ip to help debug |
| 17:37.56 | tanaka_ | gpm: i have a life! |
| 17:38.04 | wols_ | !volunteer |
| 17:38.05 | dpkg | volunteer is, like, Please report to furrywolf's laboratory for conductivity testing immediately. |
| 17:38.13 | wols_ | damn |
| 17:38.24 | gpm | tanaka_: so do other people in the channel! |
| 17:38.26 | liable | he was just here |
| 17:38.29 | BleSS | wols_: that user didin't run X-windows - I run export DISPLAY=":0" but nothing |
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| 17:39.06 | xayon | liable, thanks, I've an idea: I could set up static ip between my 2 pc's, see you in a while :P (Sorry for the speech, I'm spanish) |
| 17:39.14 | tanaka_ | who knows whether they are super bots,LOL |
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| 17:39.42 | wols_ | BleSS: why would you do that. "startx" and be done with it |
| 17:39.42 | xayon | BleSS, ¿xhost? |
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| 17:39.45 | pickcoder | !tell tanaka_ about d-i |
| 17:39.52 | wols_ | unless you want remote X in which case your export won't cut it either |
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| 17:40.12 | gpm | couldn't tanaka_ debootstrap? |
| 17:40.18 | liable | i have dhcp issues atm myself, anyone else? |
| 17:40.23 | wols_ | tanaka_: long ago I told you your choices. if you don't like it: tough. |
| 17:40.35 | n3kl_ | Do I have to install a cups server for each machine I want to print from? |
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| 17:40.40 | wols_ | liable: you should know how to report a problem... |
| 17:40.49 | BleSS | wols_: I created another user, I use it to developing, I want to have that separated |
| 17:40.52 | liable | tough love, thats what #debian is about |
| 17:40.54 | gpm | n3kl_: i think so...i mean, you need cupsys |
| 17:41.04 | wols_ | BleSS: do waht I told you |
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| 17:41.25 | wols_ | liable: do you want to be ma3x or en1gma? if so have your pick |
| 17:41.46 | n3kl_ | gpm: I was hoping that I could have a single machine with printers attached to it that would spool all jobs, but installing a print server on each machine kinda defeats the purpose |
| 17:41.56 | liable | wols_: i dont need lectures, thanks, i am using dev kernels and drivers and was simply asking if anyone else had dhcp issues |
| 17:42.10 | tanaka_ | bye :( |
| 17:42.10 | gpm | n3kl_: yeah, there should be a smaller -client package...maybe there is |
| 17:42.10 | liable | wols_: dont be a complete asshole |
| 17:42.16 | mike1o | ive chrooted in to a fresh 32bit debian... do I need to reinstall gnome here in order to have a 32bit browser? |
| 17:42.17 | blinx | wols_: I removed everything with gcj and sun-java6-jre + bin + jdk are installed |
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| 17:42.31 | Parma_Quendion | yay, nickspam on join |
| 17:42.38 | rod | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.38 | rod | <rod> any idea sobre this problem? What's I see ? |
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| 17:42.46 | chops | mike1o: You need to "re"install everything you need into the chroot; it won't get any packages that are installed in your 64bit system. |
| 17:42.54 | piztek | hello |
| 17:43.00 | Parma_Quendion | evening |
| 17:43.02 | blinx | but http://paste.debian.net/29415 <- you see |
| 17:43.07 | blinx | a similar error |
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| 17:43.30 | liable | Parma_Quendion: who spammed you? |
| 17:43.33 | mike1o | chops, so ill have two gnomes? |
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| 17:44.09 | Parma_Quendion | irssi did |
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| 17:44.09 | chops | mike1o: You will indeed. One 32-bit and one 64-bit. |
| 17:44.09 | Parma_Quendion | because there are c. 730 nicks in the channel |
| 17:44.09 | chops | mike1o: Er, wait, no |
| 17:44.09 | liable | ... |
| 17:44.09 | chops | mike1o: I am telling you total lies |
| 17:44.10 | mike1o | chops, ehehe |
| 17:44.12 | chops | mike1o: You need to install only the browser |
| 17:44.13 | Parma_Quendion | and it automatically outputs them all |
| 17:44.16 | Parma_Quendion | anyway: |
| 17:44.35 | mike1o | chops, and then just run it? |
| 17:44.48 | chops | mike1o: Sorry -- I was not thinking. Yes, you need everything in the 32bit chroot that you'll need to run programs there -- but if you just want a 32bit browser, you can run it from there in your 64-bit gnome session running outside the chroot. |
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| 17:44.54 | chops | mike1o: Yes, I believe so. |
| 17:45.08 | Parma_Quendion | I was forced to move the hard drive with my debian install to a different IDE cable, and now it (predictably) won't boot. I'm at a shell called "initramfs", and I'm not sure how to mount the filesystem |
| 17:45.14 | mike1o | ill let u know how that works out... |
| 17:45.14 | piztek | sup yall |
| 17:45.17 | piztek | naim is sweet |
| 17:45.20 | blinx | wols_: what I did wrong? |
| 17:45.24 | Parma_Quendion | I'm even less sure how to make it remember its new location once I can boot normally |
| 17:46.40 | pickcoder | Parma_Quendion: grub has hard drive mapping functions for fixing that later. For now, you can specify boot and root at the boot prompt |
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| 17:47.31 | pickcoder | you need to boot from a CD or a diskette with grub on it |
| 17:47.43 | pickcoder | or USB key.. if you have a bootable key |
| 17:47.49 | Parma_Quendion | grub is working, since it's on a different disc |
| 17:47.57 | Parma_Quendion | (accidentally) |
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| 17:49.19 | wols_ | blinx: it's not the same error. it's different. also what java do you have isntalled right now and what does this program need, what versin of java? |
| 17:49.31 | Parma_Quendion | pickcoder: it detects my debian install and automatically boots it |
| 17:49.54 | Parma_Quendion | but the startup process gets stuck on "waiting for the root filesystem |
| 17:49.55 | Parma_Quendion | " |
| 17:50.04 | pickcoder | you have to change your root reference |
| 17:50.21 | pickcoder | you need to get into the interactive grub shell at boot time |
| 17:50.29 | pickcoder | root (hdX,X) |
| 17:50.30 | Parma_Quendion | ok, so I'll reboot |
| 17:50.38 | pickcoder | the first X is the IDE channel |
| 17:50.44 | pickcoder | the second is the device # |
| 17:50.58 | pickcoder | primary device on seconday would be HD0,1 |
| 17:51.08 | pickcoder | gah |
| 17:51.14 | pickcoder | HD1,0 |
| 17:51.16 | Parma_Quendion | ok, so HD1,1 |
| 17:51.29 | wols_ | pickcoder: how does grub care about the root fs? |
| 17:51.32 | pickcoder | that would be secondary channel, slave device |
| 17:51.36 | Parma_Quendion | yep |
| 17:51.43 | Parma_Quendion | heh |
| 17:51.44 | pickcoder | wols_: he move the entire drive to another channel |
| 17:52.01 | wols_ | pickcoder: no it would not be 2ndary channel. it would be first channel slave |
| 17:52.01 | Parma_Quendion | Error 23: Error while parsing number |
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| 17:52.11 | Parma_Quendion | ah |
| 17:52.15 | Parma_Quendion | lowercase hd |
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| 17:52.17 | pickcoder | wols_: eh? |
| 17:52.19 | wols_ | pickcoder: if he did he must edit menu.lst and fstab too |
| 17:52.27 | pickcoder | wols_: not if you use map |
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| 17:53.23 | wols_ | what map? |
| 17:53.23 | pickcoder | grub "map" |
| 17:53.23 | abrotman | wols_: circles and arrows |
| 17:53.23 | wols_ | why would the kernel care? beofre it was sda, now it's sdb or whatever |
| 17:53.25 | Parma_Quendion | hdd, I think |
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| 17:53.25 | pickcoder | maybe you should explain it all then |
| 17:53.46 | rod | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.56 | liable | yes |
| 17:54.09 | chops | I think I asked you this about an hour ago -- how did you compile it? |
| 17:54.14 | wols_ | rod: get a debian kernel 2.6.20 from sid |
| 17:54.15 | liable | because udev knows when you fuck up |
| 17:54.26 | Parma_Quendion | well, it was a slave on the first bus |
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| 17:55.08 | wols_ | Parma_Quendion: edit your menu.lst and fstab. keep grub installed how it is |
| 17:55.16 | Parma_Quendion | ok |
| 17:55.25 | rod | wols: I don't understand about this problem |
| 17:55.29 | wols_ | that is if it's the only disk in the PC |
| 17:55.35 | Parma_Quendion | it's not |
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| 17:55.40 | wols_ | rod: that's why you arenot supposed to compiled a kernel |
| 17:56.04 | rod | wols: I modify the options for my machine |
| 17:56.06 | wols_ | Parma_Quendion: is hda-hdc a disk anywhere? does the grub boot menu show up properly? is the kernel starting to load? |
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| 17:56.07 | Parma_Quendion | grub is on the primary master |
| 17:56.16 | Parma_Quendion | which hasn't changed at all |
| 17:56.55 | Braindead | rod: that's what modules are for. |
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| 17:57.35 | malmen | hello |
| 17:57.41 | Parma_Quendion | argh, can we do this in /msg? |
| 17:57.47 | Parma_Quendion | it's a little confusing in the main channel |
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| 17:57.48 | malmen | im geting errors like that -> http://monoport.com/3195 |
| 17:57.50 | rod | Braindead: I dont understand the question |
| 17:57.57 | malmen | can help me on postfix please ? |
| 17:58.04 | blinx | wols_: java-alt.. is the keyword :9 |
| 17:58.07 | blinx | now it works |
| 17:58.24 | wols_ | !tell malmen about anyone |
| 17:58.32 | rod | Braindead: Can you see my lsmod? |
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| 17:59.55 | Braindead | rod: it's not a question. I just said that "I modify the options for my machine" is just nonsense. a debian kernel, which is modular, suits just fine |
| 17:59.55 | wols_ | malmen: nothing you can do except check who flagged you as a open relay or use a smarthost |
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| 17:59.55 | liable | Parma_Quendion: so grub boots off of primary master and root is on secondary master? |
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| 17:59.56 | wols_ | blinx: check what java-alt is. e.g. from what java package and version it comes from |
| 17:59.56 | Parma_Quendion | no, root is on primary slave |
| 17:59.56 | rod | Braindead: because personality for my machine the processor, memory, etc |
| 17:59.56 | Parma_Quendion | under the DVD drive |
| 18:00.09 | Braindead | rod: I'll rephrase it in a slighter direct way: bullshit |
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| 18:00.34 | rod | Braindead: bullshit? :-( |
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| 18:00.39 | mike1o | chops, I chrooted into my 32bit lenny but when I type uname -r it says I have a 64bit kernel :-( |
| 18:00.58 | wols_ | rod: yes you heard him. and chances are, he is right |
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| 18:01.14 | wols_ | mike1o: that is fine. and you do have a 64bit kernel |
| 18:01.28 | liable | Parma_Quendion: grub; root (hd0); setup (hd1,0); quit |
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| 18:01.32 | rod | wols: OK, it's a problem with comunity |
| 18:01.48 | mike1o | wols_, how do I run a 32bit iceweasel though? |
| 18:01.57 | wols_ | liable: won't change where the kernel looks for rootfs and what fstab will want to boot |
| 18:01.59 | pickcoder | ia32-libs |
| 18:02.07 | wols_ | and chances are, his initrd might want to say something too |
| 18:02.10 | chops | mike1o: 32-bit iceweasel runs fine under a 64-bit kernel if you have a 32-bit userland |
| 18:02.16 | chops | mike1o: Which you do when you chroot |
| 18:02.16 | liable | wols_: yes, but its a start |
| 18:02.28 | wols_ | mike1o: just run it in your 32bit chroot. you can have a 32bit debian system and run a 64bit kernel with it. will work fine |
| 18:02.30 | chops | mike1o: You should just be able to aptitude install iceweasel; iceweasel. Does that work, or no? |
| 18:02.40 | chops | mike1o: (from the chroot that is) |
| 18:02.45 | wols_ | liable: I won't go futher until he answered all my questions |
| 18:02.47 | Parma_Quendion | liable: shouldn't hd1,0 be the secondary master, which as I said is the DVD drive? |
| 18:02.59 | mike1o | chops, apt-get install iceweasel worked |
| 18:03.06 | wols_ | Parma_Quendion: no. primary channel, slave. hd2 is secondary master |
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| 18:03.29 | mike1o | chops, but apt-get install flashplugin... says no candidate version |
| 18:03.30 | wols_ | Parma_Quendion: however it depends how many disks you have and what the bios thinks. |
| 18:03.43 | Parma_Quendion | afaik the bios thinks the truth |
| 18:03.46 | chops | mike1o: Does iceweasel run? First things first :-) |
| 18:04.06 | mike1o | chops, yes but when I check the help about it says its 64bit |
| 18:04.14 | wols_ | Parma_Quendion: but answer my questions before you ask anything else please |
| 18:04.16 | chops | mike1o: Also, I don't think it's called flashplugin (though I could be wrong); apt-cache search flashplugin. Make sure you have non-free sources. |
| 18:04.34 | liable | Parma_Quendion: you want to check /boot/grub/device.map too |
| 18:04.38 | chops | mike1o: Did you chroot before running iceweasel? |
| 18:04.45 | mike1o | chops, flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:04.52 | liable | that can cause headaches |
| 18:04.58 | Parma_Quendion | liable: I ran that command and got error 17: cannot mount selected partition |
| 18:05.17 | liable | Parma_Quendion: is your debian / mounted? |
| 18:05.23 | mike1o | chops, yup then I added myself as a sudoer |
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| 18:05.42 | Parma_Quendion | hrm |
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| 18:05.44 | pickcoder | Parma_Quendion: I was wrong about the hd numbering. the first number is the logical device number and the second is the partition number |
| 18:05.56 | Parma_Quendion | should I be doing this from the grub console or the debian one? |
| 18:06.16 | Parma_Quendion | the grub one doesn't have directories like /boot |
| 18:06.26 | chops | mike1o: So iceweasel from the 32-bit chroot says it's 64-bit? That's not right. |
| 18:06.28 | liable | from grub shell |
| 18:06.44 | chops | Are you sure you're chrooting before running iceweasel? |
| 18:06.50 | liable | Parma_Quendion: how are you booted atm? |
| 18:06.55 | Parma_Quendion | ok |
| 18:06.58 | Parma_Quendion | I'm in grub |
| 18:07.04 | Bogus8 | during a netinstall (not sure if that matters) if you choose "desktop enviroment" does it come with a WM or desktop (gnome, kde, xfce) |
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| 18:07.09 | liable | how did you boot the system? |
| 18:07.12 | gpm | Bogus8: i think it's gnome |
| 18:07.23 | pickcoder | Parma_Quendion: where is the actual root located in terms of IDE connection |
| 18:07.24 | mike1o | chops, yeah cause I cant see my lenny32 directory from it |
| 18:07.27 | abrotman | Bogus8: likely Gnome .. you can skip that and install whatever you want later |
| 18:07.30 | Parma_Quendion | from the primary master, which is where grub is |
| 18:07.37 | Bogus8 | gpm: so if I don't want all that fancy stuff and just want xfce I should leave that out and add it manually |
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| 18:07.43 | Parma_Quendion | root is the secondary slave |
| 18:07.45 | gpm | Bogus8: yeah, like abrotman just said |
| 18:07.48 | liable | Parma_Quendion: another distro? |
| 18:07.50 | spheard | how do I ping flood? |
| 18:07.52 | Bogus8 | I see that ;) |
| 18:07.55 | Bogus8 | thanks guys |
| 18:07.56 | pickcoder | which partition contans it |
| 18:08.03 | Parma_Quendion | the first, iirc |
| 18:08.03 | pickcoder | on secondary slave |
| 18:08.09 | Bogus8 | that's what I've done in the past... I just was wondering what I was skipping |
| 18:08.13 | zor0 | Hi, I'm trying to find a good linux pda with wireless networking thats a good general unix platform for hacking and customizing. Right now I'm looking at the Zaurus SL-C3200, has anyone here played with one of these? |
| 18:08.15 | pickcoder | root (hd2,0) |
| 18:08.18 | Parma_Quendion | yes, definitely the first |
| 18:08.19 | mike1o | I may have bootstrapped a 64bit system though |
| 18:08.23 | pickcoder | oh |
| 18:08.25 | chops | mike1o: What precisely does iceweasel help say? |
| 18:08.26 | pickcoder | hd3,0 |
| 18:08.32 | mike1o | chops, 64 |
| 18:08.35 | pickcoder | crap |
| 18:08.38 | pickcoder | I'm losing it |
| 18:08.39 | chops | mike1o: No, I mean the whole string :-) |
| 18:08.40 | zor0 | Whats the best linux mobile you've used? Is there something similar to the zaurus that can run debian? |
| 18:08.43 | pickcoder | 0 == primary 1 |
| 18:08.44 | Parma_Quendion | error 21: selected disc does not exist |
| 18:08.47 | pickcoder | 1 == primary slave |
| 18:08.53 | pickcoder | 2 ==- secondary 1 |
| 18:08.57 | pickcoder | 3 == secondary slave |
| 18:08.58 | cydork | zor0: check handhelds.org |
| 18:08.58 | mike1o | chops, Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070310 Iceweasel/2.0.0.3 (Debian-2.0.0.3-1) |
| 18:09.00 | Parma_Quendion | ah |
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| 18:09.07 | Parma_Quendion | so hd3,0 |
| 18:09.20 | Parma_Quendion | because root is the secondary *slave* |
| 18:09.29 | zor0 | cydork: thanks! |
| 18:09.34 | Parma_Quendion | but that's error 21 too |
| 18:09.39 | Parma_Quendion | argh |
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| 18:09.49 | mike1o | chops, debootstrap lenny /lenny32 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ was my initial command.... could it have installed a 64bit system by default? |
| 18:09.57 | chops | mike1o: What does 'file /bin/true' say? |
| 18:09.59 | pickcoder | you may have to set rootnoverify |
| 18:10.10 | pickcoder | though it shouldn't need it if is a valid ext2/3 partition |
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| 18:10.22 | chrome|debian | thanks to all, bye |
| 18:10.25 | chops | mike1o: Yes, I think it will do a chroot of the same architecture by default |
| 18:10.30 | mike1o | chops, its a binary |
| 18:10.37 | chops | Yes, but 32- or 64-bit? |
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| 18:11.02 | mike1o | chops, how do I check that ? :-D |
| 18:11.14 | chops | mike1o: Run the command "file /bin/true" |
| 18:11.39 | mike1o | chops, oops |
| 18:11.45 | chops | mike1o: np :-) |
| 18:11.48 | Parma_Quendion | hmm |
| 18:12.06 | mike1o | chops, 64-bit LSB executable |
| 18:12.12 | Parma_Quendion | if I leave root (hd1,0) on, then it finds the debian things and runs them |
| 18:12.20 | chops | mike1o: Yep, you've got a 64-bit chroot. Sorry :-( |
| 18:12.27 | Parma_Quendion | with all others it gives error 21 |
| 18:12.27 | chops | afk |
| 18:12.31 | mike1o | chops, debootstrap installed a 64bit version!! |
| 18:12.49 | epsilon | what's the grub option to test a bootconfig once and then use old conf, so the equivalent of "lilo -R"? |
| 18:12.50 | Parma_Quendion | it just gets stuck at "waiting for the root filesystem" |
| 18:12.51 | mike1o | chops, I have to unmount the dirs now |
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| 18:13.18 | pickcoder | Parma_Quendion: root switch is trying to remount the root again from the wrong place |
| 18:13.27 | Parma_Quendion | ok |
| 18:13.30 | pickcoder | you need to boot Knoppix or something and fix your mtab and fstab |
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| 18:13.35 | Parma_Quendion | it then drops to a console |
| 18:13.37 | Parma_Quendion | and lets me try to mount things |
| 18:13.39 | epsilon | Parma_Quendion: did you plugged the drive on other ide port? |
| 18:13.48 | Parma_Quendion | yes, that's the whole problem |
| 18:14.02 | epsilon | plug it back or fix your conf with live-CD |
| 18:14.13 | pickcoder | don't forget to also update menu.lst as wols_ said earlier |
| 18:14.30 | Parma_Quendion | it can't be moved back, because it dies when it's on an IDE cable with the other hard drive |
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| 18:16.35 | Parma_Quendion | where would menu.lst be found, btw? |
| 18:16.39 | o2T7 | hi again |
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| 18:17.09 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:17.50 | o2T7 | I got the nvidia driver work |
| 18:18.00 | spheard | how do I ping flood |
| 18:18.03 | o2T7 | but it hangs too frecuently |
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| 18:18.48 | Parma_Quendion | spheard: use /ignore instead |
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| 18:19.27 | spheard | Parma_Quendion: eh? |
| 18:20.26 | Parma_Quendion | it's less evil |
| 18:22.39 | mike1o | somebody should correct this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
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| 18:23.35 | Parma_Quendion | oh no |
| 18:23.41 | spheard | Parma_Quendion: just got that |
| 18:23.45 | spheard | :-) |
| 18:23.47 | Parma_Quendion | I'm not allowed to write to menu.lst |
| 18:24.14 | o2T7 | Parma_Quendion: You have to be root |
| 18:24.35 | Parma_Quendion | mm |
| 18:24.45 | Parma_Quendion | in Knoppix, is that not automatic? |
| 18:24.46 | epsilon | I installed etch in debootstrap, but I have package signing key issue - is ADB11277 the right key for etch packages? |
| 18:24.50 | pickcoder | Parma_Quendion: no |
| 18:25.00 | pickcoder | and you will have to remount the auto-mounted partitions with rw |
| 18:25.08 | pickcoder | they are ro by default |
| 18:25.17 | Parma_Quendion | argh |
| 18:25.24 | Parma_Quendion | thankyou Knopp |
| 18:25.46 | pickcoder | whoami will tell you which user you are |
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| 18:26.25 | pickcoder | mike1o: what's wrong with it |
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| 18:27.02 | abrotman | #knoppix ? |
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| 18:35.06 | chops | mike1o: Those instructions are targetted at a sid chroot for a non-sid system, not for a chroot of a different architecture |
| 18:35.18 | chops | mike1o: There should be howtos around for how to set up a 32 bit chroot |
| 18:35.52 | mike1o | chops, ok sorry |
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| 18:36.07 | chops | mike1o: No worries |
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| 18:36.47 | Thms | how to have the mail() fonction of php ? does postfix it ? |
| 18:37.06 | xand | Thms: what? |
| 18:37.08 | wols_ | yes |
| 18:37.17 | chops | Thms: no |
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| 18:37.32 | Thms | what need I to install for have the mail() php function ? |
| 18:37.39 | gpm | an mta |
| 18:37.42 | wols_ | Thms: php can use dirct connection to port 25 or use /usr/lib/sendmail. both are supported by postfix |
| 18:37.53 | wols_ | Thms: nothing |
| 18:37.54 | Thms | okay |
| 18:38.05 | wols_ | well. php obviously. but nothing special |
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| 18:38.11 | Thms | sendmail :p |
| 18:38.40 | sputnick_lebenef | hi there |
| 18:38.57 | gpm | sendmail is a beautiful piece of software |
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| 18:39.34 | wols_ | gpm: but please don't bother me with it :) |
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| 18:41.00 | gpm | wols_: oh, i always use exim on debian. |
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| 18:41.28 | gpm | the ease is too great to ignore |
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| 18:42.26 | abrotman | Thms: any MTA will work |
| 18:42.34 | Thms | okay |
| 18:42.44 | abrotman | i think you can even have PHP use another host |
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| 18:42.49 | gpm | abrotman: you can |
| 18:42.54 | gpm | php.net/mail |
| 18:43.01 | asarch | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.06 | wols_ | abrotman: yes. via direct port 25 and php.ini |
| 18:43.07 | asarch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:43.17 | asarch | How's the weather? |
| 18:43.19 | wols_ | asarch: SANE won't work with samba/CIFS |
| 18:43.29 | asarch | Deamn!!! |
| 18:43.34 | wols_ | asarch: and how would cups do that either? |
| 18:43.34 | gpm | damn? |
| 18:43.49 | gpm | you can share scanners over cifs though, can't you? |
| 18:43.56 | gpm | just not SANEly |
| 18:44.05 | gpm | i mean, you can share printers |
| 18:44.15 | asarch | Exactly, that's my question |
| 18:44.27 | asarch | Can I share scanners like share printers? |
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| 18:44.41 | wols_ | asarch: no |
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| 18:44.51 | asarch | Deamn!!! |
| 18:44.52 | wols_ | gpm: you can't |
| 18:44.57 | gpm | wols_: good to know. |
| 18:45.10 | gpm | that's samba's shortcoming, right? |
| 18:45.19 | wols_ | a scanner is no printer. well there are ways with special SANE drivers on windows. but: nevre above prototype |
| 18:45.27 | gpm | i don't have any windows boxen anymore so i always share over ipp |
| 18:45.27 | asarch | Using Samba? |
| 18:45.31 | wols_ | so technically it's possibly but I#ve never seen it done |
| 18:45.35 | wols_ | SaLoMoN: no |
| 18:45.38 | asarch | Sharing over the Samba protocol? |
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| 18:45.52 | wols_ | asarch: no. it's not possible, period |
| 18:46.02 | wols_ | unless your write it yourself |
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| 18:46.28 | gpm | meh, just scan on the one that's connected to the scanner and share the files over samba/nfs |
| 18:46.39 | gpm | you kinda need to be near a scanner to scan anyway |
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| 18:47.39 | TrueDD | re |
| 18:47.48 | asarch | What about TWAIN? |
| 18:48.00 | gpm | it means two |
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| 18:48.35 | dakoo | what's going on here |
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| 18:48.58 | chops | dakoo: A barbecue. What's it look like? |
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| 18:49.19 | dakoo | chops: at dickies? |
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| 18:49.57 | wols_ | asarch: stop asking windows questions |
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| 18:51.08 | asarch | wols_: Is not windows men. I would like to know if can I share an scanner to my local network just I did with a laser printer |
| 18:51.50 | mike1o | chops, I can watch youtube videos now!! but now sound :-( |
| 18:52.06 | dakoo | you have sound "now"? |
| 18:52.19 | gpm | he has "now" sound |
| 18:52.20 | gpm | ? |
| 18:52.33 | dakoo | I want now sound also, I have alsa |
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| 18:52.39 | chops | mike1o: Did you mount --bind /proc and /dev in the chroot? |
| 18:53.35 | gpm | dakoo: probably you need to unmute master and pcm |
| 18:53.47 | gpm | oh wait |
| 18:53.49 | gpm | joke |
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| 18:54.03 | epsilon | should I take 386 or 686 kernel for AMD Athlon 1600+? |
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| 18:54.14 | gpm | 686 |
| 18:54.15 | asarch | dakoo: Is it "WoW"? |
| 18:54.17 | Braindead | epsilon: K7 |
| 18:54.17 | gpm | right? |
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| 18:54.20 | gpm | oh yeah |
| 18:54.21 | gpm | even better |
| 18:54.46 | wols_ | asarch: I answered you: no you can't. and TWAIN is nothing but windows. HAND |
| 18:55.06 | Braindead | wols_: I thought that SANE could be used remotely |
| 18:55.06 | asarch | Deamn!!! |
| 18:55.08 | wols_ | asarch: there is no debian software you can use to share a scanner. you are OT |
| 18:55.11 | gpm | deamn? |
| 18:55.13 | gpm | damn |
| 18:55.18 | dakoo | mike1o: is it supported by sane? |
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| 18:55.31 | xand | does linux on x86 assume that the local console is a keyboard and monitor? |
| 18:55.34 | wols_ | Braindead: I found two, vrey old projects which accomplishe this. long lost, not developed anymore |
| 18:55.44 | wols_ | Braindead: and certainly no sharing to windows by default |
| 18:55.51 | Braindead | aaaaah TO WINDOWS |
| 18:55.55 | Braindead | my bad. |
| 18:55.56 | Alarm | what package to i need to install so that iceweasel can play broadcasted channels (online tv) |
| 18:56.04 | Alarm | as much i see those are asx files |
| 18:56.15 | gpm | w32codecs? |
| 18:56.16 | asarch | wols_: Thanks anyway. I owe you one. |
| 18:56.19 | mike1o | chops, now I did... |
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| 18:56.29 | mike1o | chops, but no sound still |
| 18:56.30 | chops | mike1o: Does that help you have sound? :-) |
| 18:56.31 | valdyn | Alarm: like youtube? |
| 18:56.34 | chops | mike1o: Hm |
| 18:56.40 | Alarm | gpm, i can open the asx files. i just dont know how to enable the online streaming thats all |
| 18:56.55 | gpm | Alarm: oh, you need a browser video plugin |
| 18:56.57 | Alarm | valdyn, no. like real time files for example |
| 18:56.59 | wols_ | Alarm: asx files means w32codecs an mplayer plugin for ffox. if you use amd64 you are SOL there |
| 18:57.00 | gpm | like the mplayer plugin |
| 18:57.06 | gpm | or the totem one, if you use totem |
| 18:57.12 | gpm | or the vlc one |
| 18:57.15 | wols_ | Alarm: there are no "real time files" that is nonseical |
| 18:57.25 | valdyn | Alarm: whatever real time files is supposed to mean |
| 18:57.43 | Alarm | i use w32codecs, else i wouldnt be able to open asf files and such things. i just ask how to enable my browser to open the movies on the webpages, or live streaming sites |
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| 18:57.57 | gpm | Alarm: i just told you |
| 18:57.58 | wols_ | Alarm: mplayer plugin |
| 18:57.59 | Alarm | an example, is on this website:http://wwitv.com/portal.htm |
| 18:58.06 | gpm | i just told you |
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| 18:58.26 | wols_ | Alarm: we told you. if you had searche dbased on our info you'd found it by now |
| 18:58.40 | Alarm | mplayer plugin, i will try that |
| 18:59.19 | valdyn | Alarm: that site just collects stream sources, that can be any kind |
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| 19:00.09 | mike1o | chops, here's my fstab http://nopaste.org/p/aDniJuDp2 |
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| 19:01.51 | wols_ | mike1o: it isn't. at least not a working one |
| 19:02.03 | wols_ | a fstab without / is kinda useless... |
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| 19:02.41 | kichik | wols_, i've now booted from debian netinst cd and even it doesn't find my drive |
| 19:02.57 | sj_ | what program should i use to see my mobile phone's address book? ( I can see the phone via bluetooth) |
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| 19:03.13 | kichik | i get "No disk drive was dtected. If you know the name of the driver needed by your disk drive, you can select it from the list." |
| 19:03.20 | kichik | but sata_via still doesn't work |
| 19:03.30 | kichik | and so does any other driver i've tried (and i've tried pretty much all of them) |
| 19:03.41 | Alarm | well i got a problem with the plugin. once the video is about to start my computer freezes. cant even restart X , or login to a new session, have to reset my machine. any other way maybe to do that ? |
| 19:03.53 | gpm | no other way |
| 19:04.23 | Alarm | cant i open this files with another player ? like xine , kaffeine ? does it have to be mplayer ? |
| 19:04.32 | gpm | you can, but not in your browser |
| 19:04.43 | gpm | there's a totem plugin |
| 19:04.45 | mike1o | wols_, I dont get it |
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| 19:04.57 | gpm | apt-cache search plugin|grep -i video |
| 19:05.00 | gpm | figure it out |
| 19:05.05 | Tricore | I've done a minimal install of debian (with the thought of just apt-getting the stuff I need), but I can't seem to get sound to work :S Could someone please help? I've got a Creative soundblaster audigy 2 zs soundcard |
| 19:05.15 | Alarm | i dont mind if it is in the browser . it matters for me if i can open a broadcasted stream |
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| 19:05.40 | gpm | xine can do it |
| 19:05.42 | gpm | i think |
| 19:05.43 | mike1o | chops, wols_ I got it from here https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 19:05.43 | bedazzled_ | hi |
| 19:06.11 | bedazzled_ | can i make APT not cache the *.deb files at all ? |
| 19:06.14 | cahoot | Tricore: install alsa-utils and see if dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base is the fix |
| 19:06.20 | Alarm | let me check |
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| 19:06.47 | mike1o | chops, could it be because I dont have alsa installed? |
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| 19:07.05 | mike1o | chops, (in my 32bit system?) |
| 19:07.05 | Tricore | I should get some kind of sound from speaker-test right ? |
| 19:07.08 | valdyn | bedazzled_: you cant |
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| 19:07.37 | cahoot | Tricore: already run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base? |
| 19:07.44 | wols_ | kichik: what happens if you try installing iceweasel 32bit? |
| 19:08.00 | Tricore | Yeah I just did it, and I selected ALSA as sound-driver |
| 19:08.04 | bedazzled_ | valdyn, i don't want to invite a flamewar, but emerge and yum does it... why is it not implemented in APT? |
| 19:08.20 | bedazzled_ | i have a laptop and i wanna save some space... permanently |
| 19:08.22 | wols_ | !sound |
| 19:08.22 | dpkg | it has been said that sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 19:08.24 | kichik | wols_, how is firefox related to booting? |
| 19:08.26 | cahoot | Tricore: run yes|aplay in a term - noise or error? |
| 19:08.42 | wols_ | kichik: wrong nick.s orry. mean mike1o |
| 19:08.43 | valdyn | bedazzled_: i doubt any of these do it, what they might do is to delete the cached files after installing |
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| 19:08.55 | gpm | bedazzled_: just set a cron job to apt-get clean regularly |
| 19:08.56 | wols_ | kichik: your debian worked before, right? |
| 19:09.01 | gpm | maybe daily |
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| 19:09.05 | bedazzled_ | gpm, i use aptitude |
| 19:09.07 | kichik | wols_, it worked with a pata drive |
| 19:09.09 | gpm | that way your cache won't ever get that big |
| 19:09.10 | Tricore | Playing raw data'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000Hz, Mono... but no sound |
| 19:09.11 | kichik | wols_, i just switched to sata |
| 19:09.16 | wols_ | bedazzled_: what debian branch? |
| 19:09.17 | gpm | bedazzled_: apt-get clean just removes cached .debs |
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| 19:09.24 | Tricore | That's what I get |
| 19:09.27 | wols_ | kichik: new harddisk? |
| 19:09.28 | abrotman | bedazzled_: there's a method in the apt conf i think that will allow it to have a size limit for the deb cache |
| 19:09.33 | kichik | wols_, yes |
| 19:09.34 | cydork | bedazzled_: you can sed that in apt.conf afaik |
| 19:09.37 | valdyn | bedazzled_: APT is no specific program at all btw, no one knows what yo ureally mean |
| 19:09.47 | wols_ | bedazzled_: are you running ubuntu or debian? |
| 19:09.54 | bedazzled_ | valdyn, i mean the APT PMS |
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| 19:09.56 | mike1o | wols_, chops im playing a file with mpg123 now |
| 19:10.02 | valdyn | bedazzled_: there's no apt pms |
| 19:10.05 | xand | bedazzled_: create a cronjob to empty the cache then |
| 19:10.05 | cahoot | Tricore: alsa obviously things everything is ok - see if alsamixer looks ok too |
| 19:10.09 | bedazzled_ | wols_, ubuntu. does it matter? |
| 19:10.09 | Alarm | i will check for vlc |
| 19:10.14 | wols_ | bedazzled_: yes |
| 19:10.15 | chops | mike1o: Ah, yes, that would do it |
| 19:10.21 | cydork | !topicsmite bedazzled_ |
| 19:10.21 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon bedazzled_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:10.26 | cahoot | Tricore: s/things/thinks/ |
| 19:10.26 | valdyn | bedazzled_: there's apt-get, there's aptitude, there's various others |
| 19:10.26 | xand | bedazzled_: yes, this isn't #ubuntu |
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| 19:10.41 | Alarm | ok , vlc seems to work and do this job |
| 19:10.42 | valdyn | bedazzled_: i have NO idea what you're calling 'apt' |
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| 19:10.50 | wols_ | !apt |
| 19:10.50 | dpkg | from memory, apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 19:10.57 | mike1o | chops, but cant hear sh*t from youtube... |
| 19:10.59 | bedazzled_ | xand, i use a debian based distro... |
| 19:11.02 | chops | mike1o: It'll be tricky, since you want the libs but you don't want the server |
| 19:11.05 | wols_ | !debian based |
| 19:11.06 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 19:11.17 | xand | bedazzled_: debian-based != debian |
| 19:11.19 | tcblack | I am currently installing debian (netinstall) on a P4 system with a few flaky ram modules (via memtest86+). I see that kernel-patch-badram is in the dev category - but I can't find if it is already in the base distro. I don't mind installing it once the install finishes but thought I'd ask while I'm waiting to get Debianized. Summary: is badram already in the Debian Kernel? |
| 19:11.20 | cahoot | !botspam |
| 19:11.20 | chops | bedazzled_: Yes, and humans are "based on" monkeys. |
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| 19:11.28 | taliban | PCBSD |
| 19:11.43 | chops | bedazzled_: (Not that I'm saying ubuntu is inferior -- just that "based on" in no way implies equivalence) |
| 19:11.44 | Tricore | everything in alsamixer is turned up, but still no sound :/ |
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| 19:11.49 | bedazzled_ | chops, that's true! :D we share 98% common DNA bases with chimpanzees. is that bad or sth? |
| 19:11.51 | gpm | chops: are you saying that debian is linux for monkeys? |
| 19:12.06 | wols_ | tomaw_: you can find out by getting the kernel source or checking dbeian kernel .config. but usually when ther is a patch package:no |
| 19:12.13 | cahoot | Tricore: note that level is different from mute status |
| 19:12.28 | wols_ | gpm: do you want to imply you are more than a semi smart moneky? |
| 19:12.33 | wols_ | *monkey |
| 19:12.37 | valdyn | !ubuntusite bedazzled_ |
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| 19:12.44 | valdyn | !ubuntusmite bedazzled_ |
| 19:12.45 | cahoot | Tricore: pcm and master are 00 not mm? |
| 19:13.03 | gpm | wols_: what? |
| 19:13.10 | Tricore | yeah |
| 19:13.11 | chops | gpm: Linux is, and always has been, for monkeys. |
| 19:13.20 | kichik | wols_, i think the 2.6.18's sata_via simply doesn't support my chipset. it works with systemrescuecd which uses 2.6.20 |
| 19:13.23 | gpm | chops: except for ubuntu |
| 19:13.25 | wols_ | just asking if you are more than a semi smart monkey? I am and pretty much anyone I know surely isn't |
| 19:13.25 | smiler | ook ook |
| 19:13.30 | gpm | it's linux for human beings |
| 19:13.30 | cahoot | Tricore: also - doesuser -v /dev/snd/* return anything? |
| 19:13.36 | chops | gpm: It's just that some of the monkeys have tricycles to ride, and some don't :-) |
| 19:13.38 | gpm | based on linux (which is for monkeys) |
| 19:13.40 | wols_ | kichik: amd64 or i386? |
| 19:13.46 | cahoot | Tricore: also - does fuser -v /dev/snd/* return anything? |
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| 19:14.02 | wols_ | !tell kichik about sarge 2.6.20 |
| 19:14.06 | kichik | wols_, i386 and actually the 686 version |
| 19:14.11 | wols_ | kichik: then update to etch but keep the kernel |
| 19:14.11 | bedazzled_ | i just wanted to know if apt (or dpkg if that makes a difference) implements a feature i want... don't vent your anger on me.. and thanks for the information :) |
| 19:14.14 | bedazzled_ | bye |
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| 19:14.37 | Tricore | fuser -v /dev/snd/* doesn't return anything |
| 19:14.41 | gpm | wow, he's in for a lot of confusion |
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| 19:15.08 | cydork | tcblack: nope! you have to use that package to patch the kernel source. |
| 19:15.09 | cahoot | Tricore: does fuser -v /dev/dsp return anything |
| 19:15.22 | Tricore | nope |
| 19:15.24 | kichik | do you of some source that can verify this before i started switching kernels |
| 19:15.25 | kichik | ? |
| 19:15.36 | tcblack | cydork: I'm grateful for your response. I'll apt-get the patch then. returning to lurk mode |
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| 19:15.58 | wols_ | kichik: just try to install with it. if it doesn't work, you are in deep shit and need a customCD ro debootstrap imho |
| 19:16.02 | cahoot | Tricore: no key/switch to toggle, cabling ok? |
| 19:16.12 | minerale | wait, why was I kicked? (and how did I end up on debian-overflow ) ? |
| 19:16.18 | Tricore | Yeah, sounds working in windows (dual-boot setup) |
| 19:16.32 | wols_ | minerale: netsplit |
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| 19:17.40 | cahoot | Tricore: any analog/digital jack entry in alsamixer? try toggle that if it's there |
| 19:18.15 | gpm | isn't openbsd for monkeys? |
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| 19:19.04 | Tricore | yes|aplay is supposed to return a really annoying beep ? |
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| 19:19.19 | cahoot | correct |
| 19:19.25 | cahoot | ctrl-c |
| 19:19.30 | kichik | wols_, i switched sata mode from ide to raid in the bios and now it netinst finds the hd |
| 19:19.47 | wols_ | kichik: ouch |
| 19:19.54 | Tricore | Well, I guess something was muted then :P Dunno what, but it seems to be working now. Thanks a lot guys :D |
| 19:20.02 | kichik | wols_, why ouch? |
| 19:20.10 | kichik | wols_, i can finally mount it |
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| 19:20.15 | wols_ | fakeraid is usually bad |
| 19:20.17 | kichik | (from debian that is) |
| 19:20.21 | wols_ | but if it works: party on! |
| 19:20.22 | kichik | wols_, why? |
| 19:20.22 | wols_ | :) |
| 19:20.29 | wols_ | !fakeraid |
| 19:20.30 | dpkg | Term used for controller cards that advertise raid functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these got only a bios ... if you use thiem with debian it's suggested that you don't set a raid in the bios and just use regular software raid. |
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| 19:21.07 | kichik | wols_, from that i gather that it's only a bad raid, but if i don't really use raid, why is it bad? |
| 19:22.48 | wols_ | kichik: if you don't use the raid functionality I guess it's fine |
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| 19:23.36 | kichik | it boots! |
| 19:23.46 | kichik | finally.............. |
| 19:24.25 | kichik | wols_, any idea when and if 2.8.20 is released for etch? |
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| 19:25.12 | cahoot | 2.6.20? |
| 19:25.15 | wols_ | kichik: no. etch supposedly will get kernel updates every 6 months or so |
| 19:25.24 | wols_ | that means sometime in october hopefully |
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| 19:26.23 | kichik | pfft =/ |
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| 19:27.59 | ugly | I have composite enabled in xorg.conf, but I'm experiencing a bit of lag when I move transparent windows (it's "jerky"). Where is the bottleneck? Radeon 9250 (64mbs SDRAM), AGPFastWrite enabled and AGPMode set to 8, AccelMethod set to EXA, Modules loaded: extmod dbe dri glx |
| 19:28.18 | ugly | sempron 2800 64 with 512MBs RAM |
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| 19:29.01 | ugly | would using the proprietary fglrx driver make a significant difference over the OSS radeon? |
| 19:29.18 | jelly | ugly: that's normal, composite is slow as hell |
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| 19:29.54 | ugly | jelly: yeah, but it's less jerky on my laptop, which has a much crappier graphics card |
| 19:29.57 | ugly | albeit with more system RAM |
| 19:30.23 | jelly | ... but I have no clue about the effects of AccelMethod though |
| 19:30.41 | jelly | ugly: crappier == intel? Maybe the drivers are better. |
| 19:30.47 | ugly | EXA is supposed to perform better than XAA, according to man radeon |
| 19:30.52 | ugly | jelly: yeah |
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| 19:31.32 | ugly | fglrx not really an option since I'm running amd64 branch, and I don't feel like running Xorg in a 32bit chroot :P |
| 19:31.48 | ugly | unless there's another way? |
| 19:32.05 | mike1o | chops, should I link something? |
| 19:32.07 | jelly | When I first got my current i915GM based laptop, I'd been reading on the XiG site (AccelX)... they said XFree86 basically used no acceleration for composite. |
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| 19:32.52 | ugly | I get a bit more lag than I'd like when raising/lowering Firefox as well |
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| 19:33.12 | ugly | (should mention that I have an LCD monitor) |
| 19:33.26 | jelly | I worked around that by disabling composite effects in XFCE. |
| 19:33.26 | ugly | using DVI |
| 19:34.10 | jelly | ugly: you running KDE by any chance? |
| 19:34.10 | ugly | jelly: no, openbox |
| 19:34.10 | jelly | phew |
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| 19:34.44 | jelly | dunno, 9250 is rv280, right? So, fully supported with free drivers. |
| 19:34.55 | jelly | maybe ask in #xorg |
| 19:35.12 | ugly | seems to be supported - Xorg.log doesn't bitch, anyway |
| 19:35.25 | ugly | ok |
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| 19:36.55 | jelly | ugly: I wonder if your sempron would benefit from a 32bit OS... more code to fit in its level 2 cache |
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| 19:37.22 | jelly | which is probably cut down on the budget cpus |
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| 19:38.22 | ugly | might try that one day (64 branch turned out to be more of a headache than I wished, anyway) - too lazy to reinstall at the moment |
| 19:38.49 | epsilon | I'm trying to install new bootable debian from plain debootstrap installation - is there any how to for that? |
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| 19:44.11 | Kalisto | oookie |
| 19:44.13 | wols_ | !debootstrap |
| 19:44.13 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 19:44.14 | jelly | Which filesystem to use for a partition that is going to be mounted from multiple (virtual) machines at once? I'd use it for /boot, present the physical disk to all the virtual machines, and have all the linux installations on this (physical) machine use that same /boot and grub config. |
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| 19:44.15 | wols_ | jelly: any |
| 19:44.15 | wols_ | !ext3 |
| 19:44.15 | dpkg | [ext3] the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about "ext2->ext3", "xfs" and "ricerfs". |
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| 19:44.15 | petemc | jelly: what sort of virtualization are you using? |
| 19:44.15 | jelly | wols_: hm, ext3 is not going to be good if I want to mount /boot _at the same time_ from multiple machines |
| 19:44.15 | adrey | hi all |
| 19:44.15 | jelly | petemc: kvm and qemu |
| 19:44.15 | chops | jelly: You can mount read-only from multiple machines simultaneously |
| 19:44.16 | dakoo | dpkg: fat16 |
| 19:44.16 | wols_ | jelly: nothing will be |
| 19:44.16 | chops | jelly: read-write from multiple machines... I would advise against rather strongly with any filesystem. |
| 19:44.16 | wols_ | what you want to do is to use network booting actually |
| 19:44.16 | wols_ | chops: /boot needs only read access |
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| 19:46.02 | adrey | when i run: lilo , in terminal messages: Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed ,ne warning was issued , is that ok? |
| 19:46.02 | adrey | when i run: lilo , in terminal messages: Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed ,one warning was issued , is that ok? |
| 19:46.03 | chops | wols_: Any filesystem will do, then :-). But your earlier comment was right; network booting is irrespective of the underlying FS unless you're doing something horribly unnecessary. |
| 19:46.06 | wols_ | chops: I meant he should use network booting for what he wants to do |
| 19:46.11 | wols_ | imho |
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| 19:46.46 | nhuisman_work | greets |
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| 19:47.25 | jabka | anyone here with etch AMD64 and ndiswrapper for bcm4318 (i need to check a bug); |
| 19:47.37 | dakoo | is reiser still in jail? |
| 19:48.16 | jelly | wols_: basically I want to: 1) be able to run i386 as host or amd64 as host and the same i386 as guest 2) be able to upgrade both and not lose grub config for the other |
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| 19:48.23 | biopyte | anybody running etch on a T61 thinkpad? |
| 19:48.34 | cahoot | dakoo: drifting a bit OT? |
| 19:49.21 | jelly | wols_: I thought having a single, shared /boot would help for 2) |
| 19:49.48 | wols_ | jelly: if it's shared, each and evrey kernel update will much in the same menu.lst |
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| 19:49.58 | d1t3 | re |
| 19:50.06 | dakoo | cahoot: sorry there |
| 19:50.56 | gpm_ | he is |
| 19:52.19 | jelly | wols_: that's the point! currently, amd64 knows about the older i386 Debian installation, but not vice versa |
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| 19:53.08 | jelly | wols_: a single /boot and grub setup would perhaps help. booting over tftp or whatnot would be a whole different story, I guess. I suspect make-kpkg and linux-image-* don't have provisions for that either |
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| 19:53.40 | pdbogen | Is there a quick/easy way to download (not install) a package and all its dependencies, for some other release, regardless of the packages I have installed? |
| 19:54.19 | jelly | pdbogen: there's a download-only option for apt-get, -d |
| 19:54.29 | pdbogen | jelly : That's only the first part. |
| 19:54.45 | pdbogen | jelly : It won't redownload deps I already have installed. |
| 19:55.04 | jelly | pdbogen: so, a dumb way to do it is to edit sources.list, update, download, and restore sources.list after |
| 19:55.14 | pdbogen | Except that I need packages from an older release. |
| 19:55.17 | pdbogen | So that still won't work. |
| 19:55.40 | pdbogen | I'm running unstable; I need to download packages for another machine that doesn't have net access, and is running stable. |
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| 19:56.20 | jelly | apt-zip? |
| 19:56.40 | pdbogen | That'll probably work, thanks. |
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| 19:57.16 | jelly | pdbogen: if apt-zip didn't exist, I'd probably debootstrap a chroot for stable, then do apt-get -d install foo in it |
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| 19:58.01 | war | I just installed Debian x86_64 Lenny and for some reason it cannot lookup any hostnames when I use apt-get? but when I use host or nslookup its ok? some sort of DNS bug?? |
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| 20:03.16 | ugly | jelly: I found the bottleneck - apparently 'conky' was slowing everything down |
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| 20:03.29 | Thms | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.43 | ugly | now transparent windows move very smoothly |
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| 20:04.18 | jelly | I bet that "conky" thing uses shaped windows |
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| 20:05.06 | zoidy | what's the correct syntax to run a cron job every 10 seconds? |
| 20:05.14 | simonrvn | you can't |
| 20:05.20 | zoidy | seriously? |
| 20:05.28 | simonrvn | you can't |
| 20:05.30 | aruiz | simonrvn: yes he can |
| 20:05.48 | simonrvn | aruiz: right. sure. uh hunh. since when? never |
| 20:05.55 | zoidy | aruiz: what would be the syntax? |
| 20:06.05 | simonrvn | minute level, that's it |
| 20:06.16 | simonrvn | aruiz: prove it |
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| 20:06.40 | aruiz | simonrvn: you can run a bash script with 6 sleep 10 sentences :P |
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| 20:06.49 | aruiz | every minute |
| 20:06.52 | simonrvn | that's not cron |
| 20:07.05 | aruiz | that solves the problem zoidy has |
| 20:07.06 | chops | aruiz: You can hop around licking things, that doesn't make you a frog |
| 20:07.08 | aruiz | simonrvn: :) |
| 20:07.16 | zoidy | simonrvn: to run at least every minute, would it be 1/* * * ... ? |
| 20:07.23 | simonrvn | yup |
| 20:07.29 | simonrvn | er, no */1 |
| 20:07.39 | zoidy | right, k thanks, minute will have to do |
| 20:08.04 | petemc | while : ; do thing ; sleep 10 ; done |
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| 20:08.11 | nowYY | hi |
| 20:08.11 | simonrvn | aruiz: eew bash :P get portable dude ;p |
| 20:08.19 | aruiz | ? |
| 20:08.34 | aruiz | simonrvn: does cron works out of unix? |
| 20:08.40 | simonrvn | sh; avoid bashisms |
| 20:09.00 | nowYY | i have a problem with rubygems.. which is debian related.. i ve read this: http://pkg-ruby-extras.alioth.debian.org/rubygems.html , but still gem search doesnt lookup right |
| 20:09.05 | aruiz | simonrvn: my only shell is bash :P |
| 20:09.12 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 20:09.21 | petemc | could be worse |
| 20:09.24 | zoidy | nowYY: what problem are you having? |
| 20:09.27 | jabka | when a package need to change shared documents what is the preferd way ? (im searching for documenation didn't understand in debian-policy) |
| 20:09.27 | simonrvn | ksh |
| 20:09.39 | simonrvn | csh |
| 20:09.45 | jabka | i need to udate all users xine config files |
| 20:10.06 | jabka | oops ~/.xine/config |
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| 20:10.51 | jelly | jabka: I'd use a separate script for that and NEWS.Debian the admin about it. |
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| 20:11.56 | jelly | He Be a Foole Who Doeth Not Have Ye Olde Apt-Listchanges Installed |
| 20:12.03 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 20:12.52 | jabka | jelly: to give the user the abilty to run the script or run as root (when installing) and give change all the users files ? |
| 20:13.10 | jelly | we'll have to do something like that to convert mboxes to Maildirs for stupid sysadmins who use our custom packages |
| 20:13.28 | petemc | using mbox is stupid? |
| 20:13.30 | jelly | jabka: for the admin to run it when he find time |
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| 20:13.45 | abrotman | petemc: yes! |
| 20:13.47 | jabka | oo .. |
| 20:13.53 | jabka | thnx .. |
| 20:13.59 | petemc | i use mbox on my dell servers |
| 20:14.04 | abrotman | crap on crap! |
| 20:14.07 | petemc | :) |
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| 20:14.19 | jelly | petemc: mbox sucks for eg. incremental backups |
| 20:14.22 | petemc | ive moved most users to maildir, admitedly.. |
| 20:14.39 | abrotman | mbox sucks for users who have 5,000 messages in a folder |
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| 20:14.49 | petemc | jelly: it sure does have some issues, but for some uses its ok |
| 20:14.51 | abrotman | and actually a lot less than that too |
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| 20:15.11 | simonrvn | take 20 minuntes to open the effing mbox |
| 20:15.15 | simonrvn | minutes* |
| 20:15.18 | jelly | ... Mailman stores the archive as mbox. |
| 20:15.31 | simonrvn | can store them as Maildir |
| 20:15.46 | jelly | simonrvn: eh, use dovecot as frontend and let it index away :-) |
| 20:15.57 | piztek | and what is mailman? |
| 20:16.07 | jelly | piztek: mailing list software |
| 20:16.14 | simonrvn | very common mailing list s/w |
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| 20:16.36 | simonrvn | it's the majordomo of the 21st century |
| 20:17.00 | jelly | (to be honest, I should have said mailman _by default_ stores the archive as mbox) |
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| 20:17.38 | xbox360 | anyone pratice exercices of hipertrofy pvt -me |
| 20:17.50 | simonrvn | what? |
| 20:18.02 | jelly | someone set us up the bomb |
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| 20:19.47 | kiba | hello |
| 20:19.54 | kiba | how to find out my ip? |
| 20:20.05 | simonrvn | ifconfig eth0 |
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| 20:20.23 | simonrvn | ifconfig ppp0 |
| 20:20.27 | simonrvn | etc. |
| 20:20.36 | simonrvn | or just ifconfig |
| 20:20.43 | jelly | www.whatismyip.com |
| 20:20.49 | abrotman | cheater! |
| 20:20.57 | simonrvn | !lart jelly |
| 20:21.11 | jelly | DUH, double of "free"? |
| 20:21.15 | kiba | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.18 | kiba | is this it? |
| 20:21.31 | simonrvn | not the public one no |
| 20:21.36 | jelly | kiba: that is your ip on your local network, yes |
| 20:21.38 | jabka | kiba: (you can see only the ip of your local system (behind the gateway)) |
| 20:21.52 | jabka | kiba : local network |
| 20:21.59 | xbox360 | kiba send email for isp provider to require your ip |
| 20:22.09 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:22.09 | kiba | huh? |
| 20:22.23 | simonrvn | xbox360: what are you smoking, crack? |
| 20:22.25 | jabka | :) |
| 20:22.58 | abrotman | simonrvn: spare xbox parts perhaps ? |
| 20:23.01 | kiba | so how I see my ip as identified over the internet? |
| 20:23.09 | pdbogen | http://whatismyip.org |
| 20:23.11 | xbox360 | simmerz, water only |
| 20:23.19 | simonrvn | abrotman: oh holy smokes eew |
| 20:23.30 | jabka | try to send using postfix/exim/what ever to some web mail (gmail etc) .. then you will see all the ips .. |
| 20:23.44 | pdbogen | :O |
| 20:24.17 | pdbogen | It's like a bunch of blind, retarded orangutangs trying to find their way out of the basement of the Pentagon. |
| 20:24.17 | jelly | lynx -dump www.whatismyip.com |grep -i 'your ip is' | awk '{print $NF}' |
| 20:24.39 | abrotman | traceroute! |
| 20:25.30 | xbox360 | jelly, ifconfig |grep "inet end" is more easy |
| 20:25.37 | jabka | abrotman: traceroute will show youre gatway not ip |
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| 20:26.21 | jelly | xbox360: don't write junk, please |
| 20:26.59 | abrotman | jabka: seems good enough to me! |
| 20:27.09 | jelly | pdbogen: ooh, the .org output is nicer. |
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| 20:27.52 | simonrvn | yeh, don't even need to filter it |
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| 20:28.17 | jelly | web page scraping ftw |
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| 20:28.56 | jabka | if he need that to try to check his firewall/postfix/webserver and try to connect to its gateway it probobly will not work |
| 20:29.00 | abrotman | boots? .. i thought jelly was a hippie! |
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| 20:29.17 | abrotman | jabka: let's just hope for the sake of the intarweb .. he's not :) |
| 20:29.22 | jelly | abrotman: a veggie does not a hippie make! |
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| 20:29.42 | abrotman | jelly: depends where you stick it |
| 20:29.42 | jabka | apropos intraweb |
| 20:29.49 | abrotman | intarweb! |
| 20:29.50 | jabka | what's intraweb ? |
| 20:29.57 | simonrvn | intarweb |
| 20:30.06 | Decepticon | whats the difference between lynx links links2 and elinks |
| 20:30.24 | Decepticon | what do you recommend |
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| 20:30.40 | abrotman | the one that works with the intarweb! |
| 20:30.42 | jelly | jabka: it's the logical opposite of interweb |
| 20:30.57 | JosefAssad | abrotman: that limits the choice to ie5 |
| 20:31.04 | jelly | web on the intranet, probably |
| 20:31.04 | mike1o | chops, how do which library do I need for sound then? |
| 20:31.48 | chops | mike1o: Hmm, try "dpkg -l '*alsa*' | grep ^ii" on your 64-bit system, and look for the libs |
| 20:31.53 | chops | mike1o: I'm not sure off the top of my head |
| 20:32.09 | chops | mike1o: It could also be libasound |
| 20:32.19 | chops | mike1o: But I've never understood ALSA worth a damn :-( |
| 20:32.28 | Decepticon | is mirrors.kernel.org down |
| 20:32.42 | jabka | each hour i learn some thing new .. |
| 20:32.43 | chops | mike1o: This is probably a common problem -- you might try searching google and see if the solution is in some 32-bit chroot howto. |
| 20:32.51 | Decepticon | how do i change my apt-get sources. mirrors.kernel.org is down for me |
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| 20:33.19 | jabka | Decepticon : vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:34.16 | jelly | Decepticon: the *links* ones render tables and frames somewhat more nicely. links2 has some graphic support. elinks is a fork off links and possibly has more features |
| 20:34.39 | jelly | Decepticon: there's also w3m :-) |
| 20:34.52 | Decepticon | oh, how is w3m in your opionon compared to the others |
| 20:36.14 | Decepticon | which one is as close as it gets to a real browser? |
| 20:36.35 | chops | Decepticon: Different people like different ones, obviously. I like elinks. |
| 20:36.49 | chops | Decepticon: None of them is particularly close to a real browser :-) |
| 20:37.29 | jelly | Decepticon: I have no idea about w3m. Of the others, I use elinks because it seems to be best supported and I have no need for graphics |
| 20:37.42 | simonrvn | they are real browsers, just text based |
| 20:37.43 | pickcoder | Decepticon: install them all and test them |
| 20:37.59 | Decepticon | simonrvn :) wasnt trying to bring down text browsing or anything |
| 20:38.12 | Decepticon | well i have two votes for elinks |
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| 20:38.15 | jelly | Real Browsers do JavaScript :-D |
| 20:38.25 | simonrvn | i'm referring to chops' comment |
| 20:38.51 | pickcoder | I've used vim for eons for editing files and I used nano for the first time yesterday |
| 20:38.59 | simonrvn | wow |
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| 20:39.07 | jelly | pickcoder: why?? |
| 20:39.15 | pickcoder | I had no need to try anything else |
| 20:39.18 | pickcoder | vim worked |
| 20:39.28 | jelly | no, why did you use it at all? |
| 20:39.42 | pickcoder | b/c I'm training a new employee |
| 20:39.51 | pickcoder | and nano is easier for a noob |
| 20:40.11 | pickcoder | I won't be getting him the VI reference mug from thinkgeek anytime soon |
| 20:40.14 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 20:40.30 | jelly | pickcoder: print him the card |
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| 20:41.14 | simonrvn | hardcore i think is what you're looking for |
| 20:41.24 | pickcoder | believe me.. I want it to be as easy as possible for him to edit important configs |
| 20:41.45 | jelly | hard-line: firm and uncompromising; "a hard-line policy" |
| 20:41.46 | pickcoder | let me rephrase |
| 20:41.54 | pickcoder | the editor is the last thing I want to train him on |
| 20:42.00 | simonrvn | nano apparently does syntax highlighting |
| 20:42.01 | pickcoder | the content is far more important |
| 20:42.17 | simonrvn | jelly: ok :) |
| 20:42.37 | pickcoder | hard-line is also slang for high-freq coax |
| 20:42.44 | jelly | simonrvn: hardline as in "hardline communist" |
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| 20:45.09 | pickcoder | Decepticon: I always use lynx simply because it was the only text-based browser available when I learned how to use text-based browsers. <g> |
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| 20:45.38 | kiba | text browsers are cool |
| 20:45.40 | Decepticon | same here, but its bout time i tried the others |
| 20:46.07 | jabka | thnx channel it is time to for me to go to sleep .. good night |
| 20:46.33 | simonrvn | g'night |
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| 20:46.39 | cheekee | No Seamonkey in the Debian repositories? |
| 20:47.31 | cheekee | Sorry but I found that strange |
| 20:47.43 | lontra | !info iceape etch |
| 20:47.47 | dpkg | iceape: (The Iceape Internet Suite), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.8-4 (etch), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 20:47.54 | lontra | cheekee, iceape is seamonkey |
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| 20:47.58 | jelly | pickcoder: the elinks work on that and keep the keybindings (mostly), while providing a somewhat decent rendering of modern web code |
| 20:48.09 | cheekee | ok ty |
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| 20:48.45 | mike1o | chops, http://www.debianhelp.org/node/1082 |
| 20:48.49 | tarzeau | kiba: especially links2 ? |
| 20:49.03 | kiba | I used that |
| 20:49.10 | jelly | tarzeau: elinks > links2! |
| 20:49.15 | tarzeau | jelly: i disagree |
| 20:49.22 | jelly | !start a text browser war |
| 20:49.28 | kiba | lol |
| 20:49.37 | pickcoder | I use lynx a bit to render ASCII versions of pages for search keyword indexing |
| 20:49.37 | cheekee | these Mozilla chaps are going a bit over the top witheir naming systems, Firefox, Iceweasel, Semonkey and now Iceape... |
| 20:49.41 | tarzeau | oh when i don't agree with your opinion, it's war? |
| 20:49.48 | Skoal | <fugi> 64 bytes from 207.46.197.32: icmp_seq=0 ttl=115 time=69.422 ms |
| 20:49.48 | Skoal | <fugi> 64 bytes from 207.46.197.32: icmp_seq=0 DUP! ttl=115 time=69.887 ms |
| 20:49.48 | Skoal | <fugi> 64 bytes from 207.46.197.32: icmp_seq=0 DUP! ttl=115 time=86.464 ms |
| 20:49.49 | Skoal | <fugi> microsoft.com sends duplicates.. |
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| 20:49.54 | tarzeau | cheekee: yeah, mozilla is a monster |
| 20:49.59 | cheekee | lol |
| 20:50.04 | tarzeau | cheekee: matter of time when it dies and be replaced by something good |
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| 20:50.25 | kiba | mozilla isn't dead |
| 20:50.30 | lontra | tarzeau, like internet explorer? |
| 20:50.32 | kiba | it become Moezilla! |
| 20:50.33 | pickcoder | just renamed |
| 20:50.37 | tarzeau | kiba: yeah but it's just matter of time |
| 20:50.43 | jelly | tarzeau: no, that's supposed to denote my mildly trollish intention |
| 20:50.46 | tarzeau | lontra: software companies often die |
| 20:50.53 | kiba | in reality, it is named Seamonkey |
| 20:50.56 | tarzeau | lontra: so yes, ie isn't dead yet |
| 20:51.10 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 20:51.10 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd95 is <WiFiTux> Is there a way I could make Doom 3 run faster? I mean, can I run it in a tty, or somewhere else? |
| 20:51.24 | kiba | Mozilla isn't your typical corporate company |
| 20:51.30 | tarzeau | kiba: so? |
| 20:51.32 | lontra | well mozilla is a foundation not a company |
| 20:51.37 | waspius | do you know which application is a good and fast wep cracker?i tired aircrack but found it slow...i am trying airdump now but not quite sure yet..any ideas? |
| 20:51.39 | Cfox- | dumb |
| 20:51.41 | karsten | lontra: It's both. |
| 20:51.43 | tarzeau | crap software always dies |
| 20:51.49 | kiba | lontra: there is Mozilla Corporation. |
| 20:51.58 | kiba | indeed..there is a foundation |
| 20:51.59 | pickcoder | tarzeau: not if it's sold to enough ignorant people |
| 20:52.01 | karsten | lontra: There's a foundation, and a corporation. |
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| 20:52.27 | tarzeau | pickcoder: commercial software? |
| 20:52.28 | kiba | and the foundation owned the corporation |
| 20:52.28 | pickcoder | then you have the funds to push everyone else out of the market |
| 20:52.28 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 20:52.28 | pickcoder | yes |
| 20:52.33 | kiba | commercial softwares? you meant proprietary softwares |
| 20:52.34 | tarzeau | pickcoder: sun has killed lighthouse design software |
| 20:52.59 | tarzeau | pickcoder: and pushed crap software like java and star-/openoffice |
| 20:53.16 | lontra | tarzeau, what's a good alternative to oo.org? |
| 20:53.24 | tarzeau | lontra: that's free? |
| 20:53.28 | lontra | tarzeau, yup |
| 20:53.38 | tarzeau | lontra: it doesn't exist |
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| 20:54.02 | tarzeau | lontra: well i like textedit.app for texts with images |
| 20:54.06 | lontra | well then oo.org isn't really crap if it's the best there is for free software |
| 20:54.28 | pickcoder | I wouldn't say Java is crap. It's just been used for creating a lot of applications that shouldn't run on an interpreting engine |
| 20:54.29 | tarzeau | lontra: i wouldn't say software is good just because there is not something better |
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| 20:54.48 | Alarm | kaffeine cant handle some urls. when i try to open some links from here: http://wwitv.com/portal.htm i get a demux error and that it cant open the connect.gif file. but once i enter the url manualy on the player it opens the stream |
| 20:54.50 | lontra | tarzeau, i didn't say 'good' just not crap :) |
| 20:54.51 | Alarm | how could i fix that |
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| 20:57.44 | mirak | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.44 | mirak | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.54 | mirak | the volume is not mounted though |
| 20:58.04 | mirak | not swap either |
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| 20:58.23 | karsten | !tell mirak about enter |
| 21:00.20 | maddash | YAY! fglrx 8.37.6 released! |
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| 21:00.36 | chops | !tell Alarm about bts |
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| 21:00.55 | protoloco | I have an image file (image.img) and i wanna mount it but is LVM.. how can i mount it ? |
| 21:01.04 | Alarm | what is bts ? :) |
| 21:01.08 | tarzeau | protoloco: what says file image.img ? |
| 21:01.09 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 21:01.09 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 21:01.22 | protoloco | tarzeau, what says ?? |
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| 21:01.30 | tarzeau | protoloco: what says file image.img ? |
| 21:01.39 | Alarm | and what can i start with a bug report. i would want to know if i can solve that |
| 21:01.51 | pickcoder | protoloco: type "file image.img" |
| 21:02.07 | protoloco | mmm |
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| 21:02.47 | jelly | :-( reportbug-ng is buggy :-) |
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| 21:03.14 | protoloco | x86 boot sector; parititon 1: ID=0x83, active, starthead 1, starsector 63, 208782, sectors; partition 2: id=0x8e, starthead 0, starsector 208845, 16161390 sectors, code offset 0x48 |
| 21:03.20 | protoloco | tarzeau, pickcoder |
| 21:03.25 | protoloco | the second partition is the LVM |
| 21:03.31 | protoloco | the first is ext3 |
| 21:03.35 | tarzeau | protoloco: hm |
| 21:03.40 | tarzeau | protoloco: i'm not sure mount can handle this |
| 21:03.43 | protoloco | that what says "file image.img |
| 21:03.47 | tarzeau | protoloco: you need to extract the filesystem i guess |
| 21:03.52 | tarzeau | protoloco: that's good |
| 21:04.12 | protoloco | i mounted the fisr partition (ext3) |
| 21:04.18 | protoloco | but the second one, i dont know how. |
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| 21:04.23 | Decepticon | is this what elinks supposed to look like (whats all these q's and x's and l's and k's) http://i9.tinypic.com/68c0dur.png |
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| 21:04.41 | tarzeau | Decepticon: yes, your font sucks |
| 21:04.46 | Decepticon | what do you mean |
| 21:04.52 | tarzeau | Decepticon: utf8 don't have dos line drawing characters |
| 21:04.56 | tarzeau | Decepticon: you can go to the menu, f9 |
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| 21:05.21 | Decepticon | theres more x's and q's and shit in the menu |
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| 21:05.59 | Decepticon | http://i13.tinypic.com/6gcz608.png |
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| 21:06.46 | tarzeau | Decepticon: setup, terminal options, no frames |
| 21:06.59 | jelly | Decepticon: either use a correct font, or try different line drawing options in elinks' menu Setup -> Terminal Options |
| 21:07.02 | pickcoder | Decepticon: what's your term type |
| 21:07.03 | tarzeau | Decepticon: at least that's what works in links2. elinks is a fork of it i think |
| 21:07.17 | tarzeau | pickcoder: doesn't matter, it's his font |
| 21:07.19 | Decepticon | im using putty |
| 21:07.20 | pickcoder | UTF8 looks fine for me |
| 21:07.27 | pickcoder | under linux term type |
| 21:07.35 | jelly | tarzeau: elinks is a fork of links (forked off earlier than links2 I think) |
| 21:07.35 | tarzeau | pickcoder: x or console? what font? |
| 21:07.43 | pickcoder | console |
| 21:07.46 | tarzeau | jelly: i see |
| 21:07.49 | Decepticon | im not sure. how do i check all of this things |
| 21:07.58 | tarzeau | jelly: links2 is just links with a version jump |
| 21:08.00 | pickcoder | SSH actually |
| 21:08.09 | tarzeau | jelly: i call it links2 so the links package in debian can keep exist |
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| 21:08.34 | tarzeau | jelly: ideally upstream would declare links dead, and debian remove links. links2 become links |
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| 21:09.18 | jelly | tarzeau: yah, I don't think links 1 is really used ... people have switched to the maintained forks/version bumps |
| 21:09.21 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: you're using putty from a windows machine. Whatever putty is advertising its shell as doesn't have linedrawing charater support. Fix that, and it should work. [It works perfectly fine in the console] |
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| 21:09.30 | tarzeau | jelly: i agree |
| 21:09.31 | jelly | umm |
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| 21:09.47 | pickcoder | AFAIK UTF-8 supports extended ASCII |
| 21:09.54 | pickcoder | it's probably butty |
| 21:09.54 | jelly | Decepticon: you're using putty as the terminal emulator? |
| 21:09.55 | pickcoder | putty |
| 21:09.58 | tarzeau | jelly: but it's easier to get software into debian, than getting it removed :) |
| 21:10.04 | Decepticon | jelly im using putty to ssh into my debian machine |
| 21:10.16 | dondelelcaro | it's actually not that hard to get it removed either; you just file a bug against ftpmaster |
| 21:10.21 | Decepticon | im confused |
| 21:10.27 | jelly | Decepticon: there are options in putty to enable UTF-8 |
| 21:11.09 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: true, but anyways, i think i did so several times. but i'd like the maintainer of it would do so |
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| 21:11.27 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: but he never responds to mails, like i tried contact him before i package links2 |
| 21:11.30 | jelly | Decepticon: it's a historical mess :-| |
| 21:11.36 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: and via bts to get newer links packaged |
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| 21:11.56 | dondelelcaro | !maint links |
| 21:12.01 | jelly | Decepticon: there are 2-4 ways to display the line drawings in linux |
| 21:12.03 | dpkg | links: Peter Gervai <grin@tolna.net> |
| 21:12.20 | Decepticon | yeah |
| 21:12.21 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: probably needs to be orphaned then if that's the case. |
| 21:12.30 | dondelelcaro | (probably should talk to the sponsor) |
| 21:12.36 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: doesn't myon do mia stuff? |
| 21:12.45 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i think i talked to him like over a year or half year ago about this |
| 21:12.53 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: but then didn't keep track of the issue |
| 21:13.01 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: MIA is for developers; other people you talk to the sponsor and/or orphan the package. |
| 21:13.03 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, is there a way to remove all the duplicated lines in a text file? or do I have to make an script to do that? |
| 21:13.35 | tarzeau | gonzaloaf_work: using sort -u |
| 21:13.41 | nvz | gonzaloaf_work: see manpages for sort, uniq |
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| 21:13.59 | tarzeau | nvz: no need for cat if you use grep |
| 21:14.08 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: in this case it looks like the last uploads have all been NMUs, so there should be an O bug against wnpp for it, and probably a RM RoM bug for it if it really is out of date. |
| 21:14.16 | nvz | tarzeau: who said anything about cat or grep :P |
| 21:14.25 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: the version in debian is stoneage |
| 21:15.02 | puff | Afternoon. I've been having a recurring problem with my debian box dropping my ssh connection after a short idle period. I had been thinking it was just something in the network configuration where I have it hosted, but I recently put a different box in, literally right next to my debian box, and it has ssh sessions staying up for days. |
| 21:15.06 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: there is already 1.00pre20 10-Apr-2007 21:52 606K |
| 21:15.15 | puff | Any idea what setting might be affecting this? |
| 21:15.20 | abrotman | puff: firewall in between |
| 21:15.21 | tarzeau | nvz: you said sort and uniq on the same line |
| 21:15.21 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: well, you have two options: 1) orphan/hijack the package; 2) orphan/remove the package. |
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| 21:15.40 | jelly | Decepticon: what locale do you use in linux? |
| 21:15.40 | nvz | ugh I seriously need some kind of kill script to stop the talking "you've just been selected to recieve two free ipod nano" ads |
| 21:15.55 | puff | abrotman: A firewall that is affecting the debian box but not the ubuntu box next to it? |
| 21:15.56 | nvz | actually I wouldnt lose any sleep if it just idk stopped all ads :P |
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| 21:16.06 | Decepticon | jelly i turned on the UTF-8 I/O and now it seems to be fine |
| 21:16.06 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: don't wanna be the bad guy. i don't use links really (albeit it HAS some differences to links2) and 2) ... i'd like to check popcon graph, but it's broke |
| 21:16.20 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah it depends on if his data is sorted already or not |
| 21:16.21 | Decepticon | jelly UTF-8 I/O setting in elinks |
| 21:16.23 | jelly | Decepticon: ya, that's pretty much it |
| 21:16.28 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: but thanks, once popcon graph of packages work again, i'll try to figure how many people use links |
| 21:16.39 | bintrue|work | Question regarding running a local Apt-server that I just inherited: When adding a new package to the repository, is there anything I need to run on the server to make it aware of the addition or with an apt-get update on the client suffice? |
| 21:16.45 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: and maybe coordinate the links removal with links2 rename/upgrade path |
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| 21:16.49 | nvz | tarzeau: uniq assumes that its already sorted, while sort would do it for him |
| 21:17.02 | tarzeau | nvz: ok :) |
| 21:17.08 | dondelelcaro | well, if the 1.0 is going away, the right method may just be to make links a transition package built by links2 with links being removed |
| 21:17.19 | jelly | Decepticon: previous versions of putty you had to explicitely enable UTF-8 in putty too (settings -> Window -> Translation) |
| 21:17.20 | dondelelcaro | (or links2 building links with links2 being a transition package) |
| 21:17.31 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: ah even better, right |
| 21:17.46 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: yeah links is more correct than links2 (upstream name is links) |
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| 21:17.50 | dondelelcaro | bintrue|work: you'll have to run apt-ftparchive or similar, depending on whoever set things up |
| 21:17.55 | puff | abrotman: To rephrase/restate; I had assumed just exactly what you said - a router or firewall configuration in between my desktop and the debian box. However, last month I set up a second box, running ubuntu. It lives 6" from the debian box, in the same data center, and does not appear to have the same issue. This leads me to suspect it might be a setting on my debian box. |
| 21:18.02 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i only added 2, so 0.x/1.x could stay with the proper name |
| 21:18.21 | rares000 | is there an editor that supports codefolding which does not forget how to fold code after extended editing? |
| 21:18.22 | bintrue|work | dondelelcaro: so it depends on how it was set up... Special, that person is no longer with us. |
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| 21:19.25 | jelly | dondelelcaro: to makes things worse, elinks had been used as alternative to links when links development went dead, cca potato-woody time |
| 21:19.54 | pickcoder | puff: are you sure the nic isn't farting out? |
| 21:20.02 | dondelelcaro | bintrue|work: you can always ignore how they set it up, and run the appropriate apt-ftparchive command yourself. |
| 21:20.35 | puff | pickcoder: Nope, I'm not. Good possibility. It's fairly good hardware, though. |
| 21:20.45 | dondelelcaro | bintrue|work: find the Packages.gz file and zless it and look at the Filename: lines; that'll tell you how to run apt-ftparchive |
| 21:20.46 | pickcoder | DHCP or static IP assignments? |
| 21:20.57 | puff | pickcoder: Static. ANy idea how I'd test/check if it's the nic? |
| 21:21.08 | bintrue|work | dondelelcaro: when you said "apt-ftparchive or similar" I assumed there were other commands depending on how the packages were being served/delivered |
| 21:21.15 | pickcoder | syslog should report it |
| 21:21.24 | bintrue|work | dondelelcaro: Thanks for the info about zless, I will go down that road |
| 21:21.34 | pickcoder | unless it's a driver bug |
| 21:22.00 | pickcoder | another possilibity is a broken conductor in the RJ45 plug or the cable |
| 21:22.13 | pickcoder | apart from that it could be the switch too |
| 21:22.24 | puff | pickcoder: Nothing obvious showing in syslog. |
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| 21:22.51 | puff | pickcoder: That is, grepping for "net" doesn't turn up any true positives (a couple hits on foo.net, etc). |
| 21:23.07 | puff | pickcoder: Think the switch might be messing with one box but not the other? |
| 21:23.09 | jelly | tarzeau, dondelelcaro: if one had followed Debian's packaging, then elinks could have been seen as the "true" descendant of links. see elinks changelog, entries links-ssl (0.96.20020319-1), elinks (0.3.20020711-1) |
| 21:23.12 | puff | that's possible. |
| 21:23.21 | pickcoder | ports go back sometimes on old switches |
| 21:23.25 | pickcoder | I've seen it personally |
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| 21:23.29 | pickcoder | s/back/bad |
| 21:23.37 | tarzeau | jelly: elinks does things that links2 can't, and other way around |
| 21:23.43 | jelly | tarzeau: right |
| 21:23.51 | tarzeau | jelly: elinks have other developers |
| 21:24.03 | pickcoder | I've also seen crappy RJ45's flake out b/c the pins were too short to pierce the insulation enough |
| 21:24.03 | tarzeau | jelly: links 0.x/1.x and links 2.x are the same developers |
| 21:24.24 | tarzeau | jelly: the keyboard control in console links 0.x/1.x and elinks are crap |
| 21:24.30 | tarzeau | jelly: i mean in forms |
| 21:24.40 | tarzeau | jelly: the one in links2 is better |
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| 21:25.08 | P-K | how can I make exim4 allow outside smtp connections? |
| 21:25.16 | abrotman | puff: ah .. i thought you meant the ubuntu box didn't have an issue ssh'ing into the debian box |
| 21:25.20 | waspius | is it possible to crack a wep connection if no client appears |
| 21:25.20 | waspius | ? |
| 21:25.30 | abrotman | ask #wireless |
| 21:25.37 | waspius | ok |
| 21:25.43 | P-K | I can telnet to port 25 from localhost but not from the out side. I want it to be able to accept incomming mail. |
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| 21:25.50 | jelly | tarzeau: that may be... but... no transparency in links2 :-) |
| 21:25.53 | karsten | P-K: Is your ISP blocking port 25? |
| 21:25.58 | abrotman | P-K: how does your ISP feel about that? |
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| 21:26.06 | tarzeau | waspius: when i hear crack, it reminds me of http://www.linuks.mine.nu/020302.jpg |
| 21:26.09 | jelly | tarzeau: a very important feature! ;-) |
| 21:26.20 | tarzeau | jelly: no transparency?? |
| 21:26.28 | tarzeau | jelly: in the console or in the rendering? |
| 21:26.31 | waspius | 3:S |
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| 21:26.47 | jelly | tarzeau: when colors are enabled, black background is black instead of "none" color |
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| 21:26.53 | tarzeau | jelly: iptraf also broke it's transparency |
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| 21:27.03 | tarzeau | jelly: that should be fixable easily, but nobody cares |
| 21:27.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | I installed Splashy from Sid. How do I make it start with init? |
| 21:27.10 | P-K | This is for a server in our datacenter not from my house. |
| 21:27.13 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 21:27.13 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:27.25 | abrotman | P-K: what is your SMTP server? |
| 21:27.26 | pickcoder | P-K: the issue is more than likely a blocked port |
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| 21:27.40 | P-K | Thats what I thought. |
| 21:27.47 | pickcoder | iptables --list and iptables -t nat --list |
| 21:27.51 | pickcoder | will show you routing rules |
| 21:27.58 | jelly | tarzeau: I also don't see UTF-8 support in links2 |
| 21:28.01 | abrotman | P-K: netstat -an | grep 25 ... is it listening outside ? |
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| 21:28.05 | pickcoder | if any of them have "smtp" or tcp port 25 then it could be your side |
| 21:28.11 | pickcoder | probably not, though |
| 21:28.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, anyone? :) |
| 21:28.48 | P-K | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 21:28.57 | P-K | looks like only localhost |
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| 21:29.37 | pickcoder | oh |
| 21:29.42 | pickcoder | well that would be a problem |
| 21:29.45 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 21:30.05 | P-K | I remember when I installed the server it asked if I wanted exim to accept incomming mail or not. How can I initiate that configuration again? |
| 21:30.56 | mike1o | any1 manged to run second life on lennyamd64? |
| 21:31.52 | pickcoder | #exim may know |
| 21:31.55 | pickcoder | I run postfix |
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| 21:32.43 | tarzeau | jelly: huh? |
| 21:32.51 | tarzeau | jelly: man i told you what the problem with the frames are |
| 21:33.11 | tarzeau | jelly: links2 supports utf-8 perfectly, if your webserver sucks, that's another issue, if your html sucks, that's another too |
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| 21:33.38 | tarzeau | jelly: i asked you what font you use, and that utf-8 doesn't know about shit linedrawing frames invented by vga/dos |
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| 21:34.20 | oMiC | hi |
| 21:34.50 | jelly | tarzeau: console8x16 from konsole... it does xterm style lines (well, urxvt does, actually) |
| 21:34.50 | wols_ | P-K: I think you can run exim-config |
| 21:34.50 | oMiC | has anyone installed grsecurity on debian etch (2.6.19.2 kernel) ? |
| 21:34.53 | wols_ | P-K: if not, it's some dpkg-reconfigure package |
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| 21:35.01 | Ramendik | hello |
| 21:35.04 | tarzeau | jelly: screenshot? a bitmap font? |
| 21:35.05 | nhuisman_work | 21485 nhuisman 15 0 1332m 1.2g 2772 R 12 59.7 374:56.22 xmms |
| 21:35.06 | nhuisman_work | jesus |
| 21:35.13 | nhuisman_work | 1.2g in RES |
| 21:35.18 | Ramendik | I am runing etch and want to view a multipage tiff. What package can do that? |
| 21:35.20 | tarzeau | oMiC: maybe, what's the real question? |
| 21:35.29 | hark | P-K: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, iirc |
| 21:35.31 | jelly | tarzeau: yes, a bitmap -iso10646-1 font. |
| 21:35.36 | nhuisman_work | is that serious 1.2.g of memory? |
| 21:35.42 | oMiC | tabris|away, i have problem in installing it |
| 21:35.42 | tarzeau | Ramendik: is the tiff public? not sure if gimp or feh can do that |
| 21:35.48 | oMiC | i get kernel panic |
| 21:35.55 | wols_ | nhuisman_work: free will know |
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| 21:36.10 | tarzeau | oMiC: you also have problem pressing tabulator key? |
| 21:36.11 | oMiC | probably its my mistake i;m not so familiar with debian and i would like to make a couple of questions |
| 21:36.15 | nhuisman_work | which part of free tells the real free? |
| 21:36.17 | nhuisman_work | the first row? |
| 21:36.22 | Ramendik | another q: I have a service with an init (diald) installed but don't want to start it. Other than uninstalling what can I do? Is there a debian equiv of ntsysv? |
| 21:36.27 | wols_ | Tomasu: not to mention a problem with giving good problem reports |
| 21:36.32 | oMiC | tarzeau, lol :P |
| 21:36.35 | nhuisman_work | Mem: 2075984 2013096 62888 0 3260 89728 |
| 21:36.40 | wols_ | !rcconf |
| 21:36.40 | dpkg | "rcconf" is, like, a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out "sysv-rc-conf" - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 21:37.31 | pickcoder | it's friday |
| 21:37.47 | wols_ | nhuisman_work: free ram is a myth |
| 21:37.59 | nhuisman_work | yeah i mean there are buffers |
| 21:38.19 | nhuisman_work | what is that command that shows how much you are swapping? |
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| 21:38.23 | oMiC | tarzeau, it is possible to speak on prvt ? |
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| 21:38.31 | Ramendik | tarzeau: gimp and feh can not do it. Tiff is public but witha cyrillic name, if you want I can rename it and put up |
| 21:38.33 | pickcoder | no RAM is free.. every flip-flop must be put to work |
| 21:38.39 | tarzeau | oMiC: no |
| 21:38.42 | wols_ | nhuisman_work: free |
| 21:38.48 | nhuisman_work | no, there is another command |
| 21:38.51 | tarzeau | Ramendik: cyrillic is fine, url? |
| 21:38.52 | nhuisman_work | trying to remeber it |
| 21:38.58 | oMiC | tarzeau, have you installed a grsecurity patch on 2.6.19.2 ? |
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| 21:39.02 | pickcoder | RAM that is wanting to be free should ask to be deported to a Windoze machine |
| 21:39.07 | wols_ | pickcoder: too bad your ram is not made of flip-flops |
| 21:39.08 | tarzeau | oMiC: no i don't |
| 21:39.16 | Ramendik | one moment... I've renamed it anyway wil put up |
| 21:39.18 | oMiC | tarzeau, ohh ok then |
| 21:39.26 | tarzeau | oMiC: you need it for what? why? |
| 21:39.41 | nhuisman_work | this command showed how much you were swapping to disk per application |
| 21:39.43 | wols_ | tarzeau: being secure of course |
| 21:39.43 | pickcoder | wols_: meh |
| 21:39.46 | nhuisman_work | I think |
| 21:39.53 | tarzeau | wols_: let me give you a quote: |
| 21:40.00 | P-K | Thanks! |
| 21:40.21 | oMiC | tarzeau, i need the rbac module , i want to restrict users in their home through SSH but it;s too much of work to use chroot for everybody in the current machine |
| 21:40.36 | tarzeau | wols_: "secure by default is only good for good press - that way clueless users get 'secure' install. It's the admin that makes system secure, not having closed everything<br>in base system |
| 21:40.36 | nhuisman_work | vmstat |
| 21:40.39 | nhuisman_work | is what I meant |
| 21:40.40 | tarzeau | - when you install debian and get only kernel+ash, it won't help anyone." |
| 21:40.50 | tarzeau | oMiC: nice :) |
| 21:41.06 | tarzeau | oMiC: why restrict them into their home? |
| 21:41.29 | wols_ | tarzeau: don't knock openbsd default install :P |
| 21:41.39 | oMiC | tarzeau, i don;t want to them to have access to the system or other peoples dirs ... |
| 21:41.54 | oMiC | tarzeau, not even read :) |
| 21:42.04 | tarzeau | oMiC: you know about unix file permissions? |
| 21:42.20 | wols_ | oMiC: etch comes with grsecurity. why don't you use it? |
| 21:42.26 | P-K | the dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config worked! |
| 21:42.28 | tarzeau | oMiC: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 21:42.50 | wols_ | !info kernel-patch-grsecurity2 etch |
| 21:42.52 | tarzeau | oMiC: it's easy to make a users file not readable by other users |
| 21:42.53 | pickcoder | oMiC: it's not that hard to setup chrooted ssh |
| 21:42.53 | dpkg | kernel-patch-grsecurity2: (grsecurity kernel patch - new major upstream version), section devel, is extra. Version: 2.1.10-1 (etch), Packaged size: 510 kB, Installed size: 632 kB |
| 21:42.58 | oMiC | tarzeau, yes but the whole system handled by a control panel so i have no access to config the whole panel ... |
| 21:43.02 | tarzeau | pickcoder: but it's not even necessary? |
| 21:43.16 | oMiC | pickcoder, in general yes in the current system it is ... |
| 21:43.32 | wols_ | oMiC: why don't you use what's in etch? |
| 21:43.34 | tarzeau | oMiC: and the control panel can not install your grsecurity kernels? |
| 21:43.35 | oMiC | pickcoder, even in chrooted they are able to see other people files ... |
| 21:43.45 | pickcoder | oMiC: um.. not they aren't |
| 21:43.51 | oMiC | wols_, etch comes with SELinux not grsecurity |
| 21:43.55 | jelly | tarzeau: urxvt, console8x16 font, elinks and links2 from lenny: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/links2.png http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/elinks.png |
| 21:43.55 | pickcoder | the ssh service actually runs in it's own chroot |
| 21:44.10 | oMiC | tarzeau, no its just a web hosting panel :) |
| 21:44.15 | pickcoder | I had to configure a similar setup for GForge a few years ago |
| 21:44.17 | tarzeau | jelly: i know about that transparency |
| 21:44.39 | wols_ | oMiC: dpkg just gave you a package neame for grsecurity2 here. so it does |
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| 21:44.41 | tarzeau | jelly: see links2 is for the blind |
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| 21:44.53 | jelly | tarzeau: transparency is obvious, but I don't care about it... just can't get UTF-8 to work. |
| 21:45.05 | wols_ | !tell oMiC about info kernel-patch-grsecurity2 etch |
| 21:45.06 | tarzeau | jelly: utf-8 for what? for what's rendered? |
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| 21:45.20 | oMiC | wols_, its the kernel patches not a linux kernel image... i have to patch it ... and i;m doing something wrong probably that why ask :) |
| 21:46.00 | jelly | tarzeau: note the s-caron characters in the down right corner of elinks shot |
| 21:46.09 | Ramendik | another q: I want to count all traffic (outgoing, inbound) on ppp0. I don't want diald because I don't want dial on demand. What should I use? |
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| 21:46.20 | wols_ | oMiC: use a debian provided version then, not an upstream one. if you use upstream: ask them |
| 21:46.32 | tarzeau | jelly: yes i can see it on the s, what's the url? |
| 21:46.39 | wols_ | Ramendik: ipac-ng for example |
| 21:46.39 | jelly | tarzeau: www.net.hr |
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| 21:46.44 | waspius | when you look at #top which part refers to the memory used by each application? |
| 21:46.54 | gonzaloaf_work | does logrotate rotate the /var/log/auth.log file? |
| 21:47.02 | tarzeau | jelly: links2 -g renders it fine |
| 21:48.09 | tarzeau | jelly: let me look at links2 without graphics |
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| 21:48.10 | wols_ | waspius: virt, res, shr, &mem |
| 21:48.10 | oMiC | wols_, on the kernel-patched on grsecurity-patches package they have a patch for 2.6.19.2 ... but not for 2.6.18-4 that i run now :( |
| 21:48.10 | jelly | tarzeau: ah, I use text mode. |
| 21:48.10 | wols_ | oMiC: debian has it in etch. so it's debian's repsonsibility to make it work for the debian kernel |
| 21:48.10 | runa_ | qulcuno mi puo aiutare ad abilitare il direct rendering ho provato veramente di tuto |
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| 21:48.11 | waspius | wols_: so in order to see what is using all my memory which from all of those do i check? |
| 21:48.11 | asarch | How can I swap my channels in BitchX |
| 21:48.11 | asarch | ? |
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| 21:48.23 | aruiz | asarch: /quit :P |
| 21:48.25 | wols_ | waspius: res mainly. but trying to look at memory used is mostly useless with a VM |
| 21:48.27 | Ramendik | ipac-ng not found in etch |
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| 21:48.33 | oMiC | wols_, probably i do a mistake , thats why i ask if somebody here has already installed grsec.. in order to help me |
| 21:48.35 | aruiz | asarch: and then, apt-get install irssi |
| 21:48.38 | waspius | wols_: so what should i use? |
| 21:48.55 | asarch | aruiz: irssi? |
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| 21:49.10 | tarzeau | jelly: webserver says: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 |
| 21:49.29 | aruiz | asarch: irssi is an enhanced text irc client, it supports shortcuts to change channels and so |
| 21:49.31 | gonzaloaf_work | does logrotate rotate the /var/log/auth.log file? |
| 21:49.36 | wols_ | waspius: top will give you a rough estimate |
| 21:49.54 | cast | is the x nv driver patched to work with xen in etch? |
| 21:50.13 | jelly | tarzeau: that's correct. |
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| 21:50.31 | Ramendik | tarzeau: tiff is at http://ramendik.ru/rachm13.tif |
| 21:50.35 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_work: yes |
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| 21:51.04 | wols_ | Ramendik: tiff is a kinda bastard format. too many different ones out there |
| 21:51.11 | gonzaloaf_work | wols_, looking in /etc/logrotate.d/ I dont see any ssh entry |
| 21:51.29 | jelly | tarzeau: it's the browser's job to transpose that to the locale settings, and I use a UTF-8 locale (hr_HR.UTF-8, but any .UTF-8 should work) |
| 21:51.44 | scx | Hi, I am getting incomplete information with nessus for some reason |
| 21:51.44 | Ramendik | I know qfaxviewer can handle them, but I can't find apackage |
| 21:51.44 | Ramendik | I can of course compile :) |
| 21:52.06 | tarzeau | jelly: indeed the textmode can't do utf-8 |
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| 21:52.15 | tarzeau | jelly: the graphic mode works fine though |
| 21:52.31 | jelly | tarzeau: I use normal browsers for graphic mode ;-) |
| 21:52.35 | gonzaloaf_work | wols_, see http://pastebin.ca/529353 |
| 21:52.40 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_work: why ssh. there is more than that writing to it |
| 21:52.44 | tarzeau | jelly: and in textmode if you go say codepage is that, it works? |
| 21:52.50 | scx | Hi, I already review my settings and all's set as paranoid with false alarms and stuff but Nessus keeps showing basic info about the ports like "Service portmap is running here" and that's all |
| 21:52.51 | tarzeau | jelly: i'm not sure i have the right fonts |
| 21:53.03 | tarzeau | jelly: it changes to some strange character, could be possible it'll work, you know where? |
| 21:53.28 | jelly | tarzeau: there's no UTF-8 codepage setting. elinks has a special UTF-8 setting in Terminal options (seen on the sshot) |
| 21:53.44 | wols_ | scx: netstat -anp |grep LIST |grep 111 |
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| 21:53.51 | tarzeau | jelly: i see, but if you select the same encoding like server says, what happens? |
| 21:53.53 | wols_ | scx: if port 111 is open -> portmapper |
| 21:53.55 | gonzaloaf_work | wols_, ok so if logrotate rotates this file, in which file do I have to see for the information? |
| 21:54.03 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_work: no clue |
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| 21:54.35 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_work: but I have rotated logs for it and it's pam that seems to write on it |
| 21:54.50 | jelly | tarzeau: an 8bit value corresponding to 8859-2 is displayed -> crap (that is, the UTF-8 rendering for that 8bit value) |
| 21:54.52 | pickcoder | gonzaloaf_work: If I'm not mistaken, all syslog logs get rotated on the basic logrotate.conf setup |
| 21:55.02 | scx | wols_: Well that's an example, but I should be able to see much more information, The Apache version is not even shown altough I know it can be detected |
| 21:55.10 | scx | no OS nnothing |
| 21:55.22 | wols_ | scx: those are easily fakeable |
| 21:55.29 | pickcoder | if you want to change it you can set the rotation to something else using stanzas in the logrotate.conf file or creating a stanza file and putting it in the logrotate.d dir |
| 21:55.30 | tarzeau | jelly: i see, can't help then |
| 21:55.38 | wols_ | !info nessus etch |
| 21:55.41 | dpkg | nessus: (Remote network security auditor, the client), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.2.8-1 (etch), Packaged size: 225 kB, Installed size: 576 kB |
| 21:55.42 | gonzaloaf_work | pickcoder, so if Iwant to vary the way to rotate auth.conf do I have to create a profile? |
| 21:56.48 | pickcoder | yes |
| 21:56.48 | jelly | tarzeau: ya, elinks is better for this problem |
| 21:56.48 | gonzaloaf_work | pickcoder, where? |
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| 21:56.50 | pickcoder | I just stated that |
| 21:57.02 | scx | wols: The scanned host is mine and the thing is that I have run test to the host previously, I do it regularly, and nothing have changed in the server, so while I have got more complete lectures before, now I see very minimalistic outut |
| 21:57.08 | scx | err: output |
| 21:57.30 | scx | Not sure if it's 'cause of the Nessus version 'cause my config seems ok |
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| 21:58.35 | tarzeau | Ramendik: trying to open in gimp makes gimp go berzerk, right? |
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| 22:00.46 | tarzeau | Ramendik: your tif even makes convert the.tif the.png go berzerk |
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| 22:01.23 | Ramendik | gtarzeau: imp took all diskspace |
| 22:01.26 | Ramendik | gimp |
| 22:01.49 | tarzeau | Ramendik: but you know what is the cool? |
| 22:01.56 | tarzeau | Ramendik: feh doesn't go berzerk, but doesn't show it |
| 22:02.09 | Ramendik | tarzeau: same on this side |
| 22:02.10 | tarzeau | Ramendik: but links2 the webbrowser shows musical notes on it. a browser that renders tiff |
| 22:02.15 | Ramendik | and gqview simply shows 1st page |
| 22:02.19 | tarzeau | Ramendik: apt-get install links2; links2 -g your.tif |
| 22:02.28 | Ramendik | links2 shows only one page too right? |
| 22:02.33 | Ramendik | it's multipage |
| 22:02.35 | tarzeau | oh it has several pages? |
| 22:02.35 | ChangedNick | do you know any software under windows to make a copy of the current disc and save it on the hard and check the debian updates online and immediately make the new iso ? |
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| 22:02.47 | tarzeau | Ramendik: can tifs really have multiple pages? |
| 22:03.00 | eguzkia | hello someone have installed anon-proxy? |
| 22:03.01 | tarzeau | Ramendik: you created it, using some scanner software? |
| 22:03.15 | pickcoder | tarzeau: yes |
| 22:03.31 | pickcoder | Ramendik: does it have to stay in TIFF format? |
| 22:03.33 | ChangedNick | because my debian is not connected to the internet as i have USB adsl thus cannot update it directly |
| 22:03.33 | tarzeau | ok let me try gnustep tiff picture viewer |
| 22:03.36 | ChangedNick | only from windows |
| 22:03.41 | pickcoder | you can convert it to PDF using ghostscript |
| 22:03.44 | ChangedNick | windows xp |
| 22:04.05 | Ramendik | tarzeau: yes they can, no I did not create it - it's from an online score library |
| 22:04.19 | Ramendik | if you understand Russian visit tarakanov.net there's a lot of em there |
| 22:04.38 | pickcoder | or better yet, check out the tiff2pdf tool that comes with hylafax |
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| 22:04.57 | tarzeau | Ramendik: wait that's not rachmaninov? |
| 22:05.09 | Ramendik | now the gimp took all my home dir and I'm trying to find where it put its stuff |
| 22:05.10 | Bogus8 | what is the app to get to the radeon driver util... or is there nothing like that (I've only used nvidia before) |
| 22:05.12 | pickcoder | I use it for coverting multi-page fax tiffs to pdfs |
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| 22:05.20 | Ramendik | tarzeau: exactly Rachmaninov! |
| 22:05.25 | tarzeau | pickcoder: heh i do convert pdfs into multiple pngs :) |
| 22:05.30 | tarzeau | Ramendik: so cool, i know him! |
| 22:05.41 | Ramendik | tarzeau: there's lots of Rachmaninov on that site, if you want, but it's all in Russian |
| 22:05.55 | Ramendik | my wife is a musician |
| 22:05.59 | tarzeau | Ramendik: i prefer mp3 or ogg, that i play with opencubicplayer |
| 22:06.17 | tarzeau | Ramendik: my ex-girlfriend made me listen to a lot of classical music, rachmaninov was one i liked |
| 22:06.37 | tarzeau | Ramendik: special style, making fun of their government, and bit chaotic? she plays the piano too? |
| 22:06.47 | Ramendik | tarzeau: this is a different cup of tea, the score for playing. My wife can :) |
| 22:07.18 | Ramendik | my wife is a pro piano player |
| 22:07.21 | tarzeau | Ramendik: do you or she use any note/score software? |
| 22:07.27 | tarzeau | Ramendik: midi stuff? lilypond? |
| 22:07.37 | tarzeau | Ramendik: got any recordings online? |
| 22:07.38 | Ramendik | nope, that's the hardest, we have to use windoze for that |
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| 22:07.58 | tarzeau | Ramendik: i found on mac os x some cool tool for that, forgot the name though |
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| 22:08.05 | tarzeau | Ramendik: where in .ru are you? |
| 22:08.10 | Ramendik | she needs to have full wysiwyg score setting. The only project for lin I know is mscore but it seems in permanent infancy |
| 22:08.20 | Ramendik | I am not in .ru at this moment, I'm in .ie :) |
| 22:08.25 | tarzeau | ah |
| 22:08.34 | Ramendik | but I.m from .msk.su originally :) |
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| 22:10.15 | tarzeau | Ramendik: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/audio/senorstaff.html ? |
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| 22:10.43 | Ramendik | tarzeau: but I'm in Linux not mac os x :) |
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| 22:11.03 | tarzeau | Ramendik: heh , right |
| 22:11.21 | jelly | tarzeau: hey, how come links2 doesn't provide an alternative for /usr/bin/links? |
| 22:11.29 | Ramendik | and staff based won't help - that would be noteedit. We need page wysiwyg because she'd play from printed pages! |
| 22:11.33 | Ramendik | sorry, afk |
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| 22:11.53 | karsten | Why am I *still* getting "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!" messages when I've got updated keys? |
| 22:12.15 | pickcoder | unoffical repos? |
| 22:12.19 | pickcoder | with old keys? |
| 22:12.29 | jelly | karsten: a 3rd party unsigned repo? |
| 22:13.03 | karsten | pickcoder: Nope. deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 22:13.18 | tarzeau | jelly: because it's not commandline compatbile? |
| 22:13.28 | tarzeau | jelly: and the -dump renderings are not the same |
| 22:13.35 | karsten | s/unstable/testing/ for my primary source, though I'm pulling from unstable for this particular version of xbase-clients |
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| 22:14.20 | karsten | I'm running: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring; aptitude update |
| 22:14.23 | karsten | ... daily. |
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| 22:15.31 | jelly | tarzeau: well, if you plan on replacing links, you might as well provide it. It has -force-html and -dump, that's good enough for me ;-) |
| 22:15.31 | tarzeau | karsten: you've got a mix? |
| 22:15.52 | karsten | Is there an unstable key seperate from the etch and 2006 keys? |
| 22:16.01 | tarzeau | jelly: i didn't say i plan on replacing it. i said ideally upstream of links would stop working on version 0.x/1.x |
| 22:16.11 | tarzeau | jelly: or the maintainer in debian would ask for its removal |
| 22:16.25 | karsten | tarzeau: yes. Testing/unstable, pinned testing, with marillat archives. Keys: 1024D/2D230C5F 1024D/6070D3A1 1024D/1F41B907 1024D/ADB11277 |
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| 22:16.55 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 22:17.03 | karsten | Resolved after reruning my update-keys script. |
| 22:17.10 | tarzeau | but do you all have popularity-contest installed? |
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| 22:17.27 | karsten | tarzeau: Who you talkin' at? |
| 22:17.38 | tarzeau | karsten: all you guys in #debian :) |
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| 22:18.01 | karsten | What? |
| 22:18.05 | karsten | There's _guys_ here? |
| 22:18.15 | karsten | I thought it was all chix0r5! |
| 22:18.18 | Bogus8 | what is the app to get to the radeon driver util... or is there nothing like that (I've only used nvidia before) |
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| 22:18.31 | tarzeau | karsten: i don't know, i didn't look under the pants to check |
| 22:18.42 | Tekssi | hi there |
| 22:19.18 | Tekssi | anyone informed how to put debian on a linkstation? |
| 22:19.40 | jelly | tarzeau: last non-NMU for links was in 2004, does that qualify for a MIA status? |
| 22:19.52 | karsten | !tell Tekssi about ask |
| 22:19.58 | tarzeau | jelly: no, mia is only for developers, as dondel*aro said |
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| 22:20.02 | karsten | Tekssi: What specifically isn't working, or have you tried yet? |
| 22:20.16 | tarzeau | jelly: we'd need to figure out the sponsor of peter gervai, see his qa page |
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| 22:20.45 | tarzeau | jelly: click his name at http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/?ervai |
| 22:21.02 | petemc | Tekssi: i havent done it myself, but friends of mine have them, it involves changing the firmware, rebooting in EM mode, running a hacked debootstrap |
| 22:21.04 | jelly | tarzeau: uh... so if a maintainer only updates some of his packages, what can be done? |
| 22:21.06 | tarzeau | scx: playstation is nicer |
| 22:21.14 | tarzeau | jelly: nothing? |
| 22:21.38 | tarzeau | jelly: i mean how what can be done? it's not a problem when a maintainer only updates some of his packages? |
| 22:21.47 | jelly | tarzeau: this is where Ubuntu's model is somewhat nicer |
| 22:22.00 | jakub_ | i love linux |
| 22:22.01 | jakub_ | ;-) |
| 22:22.02 | tarzeau | jelly: i disagree |
| 22:22.11 | jakub_ | 2 years ago |
| 22:22.14 | tarzeau | jelly: what's better in ubuntu? |
| 22:22.14 | jakub_ | i cant do anything |
| 22:22.19 | jakub_ | anything :-) everything seems hard |
| 22:22.24 | jakub_ | now ;-) everything is easy :_) |
| 22:22.30 | jelly | tarzeau: anyone can hop in and upload a newer version |
| 22:22.33 | tarzeau | jakub_: gnome? |
| 22:22.35 | cast | jakub_: is that linux improving or the OS? |
| 22:22.40 | tarzeau | jelly: oh you can do the same in debian |
| 22:22.44 | jakub_ | everything |
| 22:22.46 | jakub_ | Apache is easy |
| 22:22.49 | tarzeau | jelly: as dondel said, you can just do NMU |
| 22:22.52 | tarzeau | jelly: i just don't want to |
| 22:22.53 | jakub_ | funcking windows |
| 22:23.01 | jakub_ | windows is too hard |
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| 22:23.07 | cast | jakub_: are you sure you don't just love GNU ;) |
| 22:23.17 | jakub_ | i love debian |
| 22:23.19 | jakub_ | and APT |
| 22:23.22 | jakub_ | ;-) |
| 22:23.25 | jelly | tarzeau: ... well yes, so the package is defacto unmaintained |
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| 22:23.40 | tarzeau | jelly: is that a problem? |
| 22:23.43 | scx | Tekssi: http://tlsoftware.wordpress.com/2007/02/26/install-debian-linux-on-buffalo-linkstation-pro-nas-device/ |
| 22:23.50 | tarzeau | jelly: the package works fine, and there's not much bug reports on it |
| 22:24.02 | scx | * repeat after me: Google knows it... |
| 22:24.04 | xivulon | Hi all, do you know if it is possible to resize an existing file? Without altering the contents or copying it over |
| 22:24.09 | jakub_ | if on world is any girl called APT and she is 15< && >21 :-) i want to sleep with her |
| 22:24.09 | jakub_ | :D |
| 22:24.35 | tarzeau | jakub_: you mean || ? |
| 22:24.37 | Vasistha | xivulon: you mean with some kind of file-system-specific trick/hack? |
| 22:24.46 | tarzeau | jakub_: or > && < ? |
| 22:24.54 | stani | is there a separate irc channel for packaging? |
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| 22:25.00 | jakub_ | :-) |
| 22:25.06 | tarzeau | stani: here |
| 22:25.08 | jelly | tarzeau: well, it's not a big problem. As a user I'd expect someone to actually update the package if there are newer upstream versions available, someone to actively care about security bugs, etc |
| 22:25.18 | jakub_ | tarzeau:: no |
| 22:25.19 | Vasistha | stani: well, there are debian developer and mentor channels on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:25.19 | jakub_ | :-) |
| 22:25.21 | scx | jakub_: sleep is boring |
| 22:25.24 | jakub_ | i`m 17 |
| 22:25.29 | tarzeau | jelly: i don't think any of the updates was because of security |
| 22:25.38 | jakub_ | :- |
| 22:25.46 | tarzeau | Vasistha: it's perfectly fine here |
| 22:25.46 | jakub_ | i dont use windows now |
| 22:25.52 | jakub_ | only 4 scanning |
| 22:25.59 | jelly | tarzeau: #399187 was, "fixed" by disabling a feature |
| 22:26.00 | jakub_ | because my fucking scanner is not supported |
| 22:26.09 | Tekssi | thanks scx and karsten, maybe come back later. |
| 22:26.16 | tarzeau | jelly: i know, but upstream has a fix as well |
| 22:26.22 | Vasistha | jakub_: what does your scanner fuck? :) sounds erotic! |
| 22:26.27 | tarzeau | jelly: besides i don't know anyone having ever used that feature |
| 22:26.28 | jakub_ | :DDD |
| 22:26.38 | jakub_ | Vasistha: you`re girl? you have girl nick |
| 22:27.00 | stani | vasistha: what are the name of these channels? |
| 22:27.01 | Vasistha | jakub_: Vasistha is a sage in the hindu texts. It's not a western name. |
| 22:27.11 | jakub_ | sage ? |
| 22:27.16 | jakub_ | wait i must connect to slovnik ;-) |
| 22:27.18 | Vasistha | stani: well, as tarzeau said, the questions are fine here ;) |
| 22:27.19 | jakub_ | vocalbruary |
| 22:27.32 | jakub_ | aah |
| 22:27.40 | jelly | tarzeau: still, noone is following upstream versions. |
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| 22:27.50 | jakub_ | in czech Vasistha is "moudry" :-) |
| 22:27.54 | tarzeau | jelly: noone? you mean peter gervai? |
| 22:27.55 | jakub_ | i think you`re |
| 22:28.01 | tarzeau | jelly: it's not like all of debian packages are like that |
| 22:28.04 | jelly | tarzeau: no, I mean noone. |
| 22:28.15 | stani | I don't have a specific question, I just like to learn/follow the proces of packaging |
| 22:28.23 | jelly | tarzeau: if anyone did, they'd make NMUs |
| 22:28.25 | tarzeau | jelly: there's many packages in ubuntu that are out of date, even worse |
| 22:28.36 | Vasistha | stani: ahh, well there's a debian new maintainer's guide somewhere around, that might be a good read for you |
| 22:28.38 | tarzeau | jelly: obviously nobody cares about links, nobody needs it |
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| 22:28.51 | tarzeau | jelly: it can be removed, but not even about that anyone cares. it doesn't disturb anyone |
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| 22:29.08 | tarzeau | jelly: so it just lies around, glad software doesn't rot and starts stinking like dead animals |
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| 22:29.13 | jelly | tarzeau: and that's why I think it would be better to have it removed than to have a pretense of maintainership |
| 22:29.24 | jakub_ | xmms is best |
| 22:29.27 | Vasistha | jakub_: I don't know the word "moudry" -- is that english? what does it mean? Is Vasistha actually a girl's name in czech? heh |
| 22:29.35 | jakub_ | no :-) |
| 22:29.45 | jakub_ | it`s not czech name but czech girls are best |
| 22:29.47 | tarzeau | jelly: you remember what dondel said? file a bug report against ftp(or ftp-master) asking for it's removal? |
| 22:29.50 | tarzeau | jelly: you know how? |
| 22:30.02 | jelly | tarzeau: no, I'll look it up |
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| 22:30.17 | jakub_ | but |
| 22:30.20 | jakub_ | katka |
| 22:30.21 | jakub_ | romana |
| 22:30.29 | jakub_ | dana dasa etc ;-) |
| 22:30.39 | jakub_ | some czech girl`s names ends of "a" |
| 22:30.40 | mx-zoom | hello. what is the most user friendly firewall apart from firestarter? |
| 22:30.43 | tarzeau | jelly: http://bugs.debian.org/ftp.debian.org :) |
| 22:31.02 | tiiiam | isn't iptables built into the kernel |
| 22:31.24 | tarzeau | tiiiam: part of it, but iptables usually is the command line tool |
| 22:31.27 | Vasistha | mx-zoom: I like guarddog, though it's a gui tool |
| 22:31.39 | tarzeau | i like ipkungfu (at least the name is cool) |
| 22:31.41 | jakub_ | that`s why i think you`re girl |
| 22:31.55 | jelly | tarzeau: there could be a ITR :-) |
| 22:31.58 | jakub_ | i go for a bath |
| 22:32.04 | karsten | mx-zoom: powerswitch |
| 22:32.23 | tarzeau | jelly: no thanks, enough abbrevioatons rly! |
| 22:32.23 | karsten | mx-zoom: After that, maybe shorewall. |
| 22:32.32 | mx-zoom | tks :) |
| 22:32.33 | karsten | mx-zoom: Most firewall tools are pretty annoying, though. |
| 22:32.51 | mx-zoom | yea... I don't want to spend ages to config my fw |
| 22:32.52 | mx-zoom | lol |
| 22:34.31 | Vasistha | mx-zoom: yeah, I guarddog is pretty easy. At this point, it is the *only* gui tool I use for system administration -- I use the command line for everything else, but I haven't gotten the hang of firewalling without the gui, yet |
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| 22:36.43 | lobomufas | hi |
| 22:37.17 | tiiiam | Here's a question, how come when I boot up it spends a while going "DHCPDISCOVER on 255.255.255.255 . . ." |
| 22:37.22 | tiiiam | can I get rid of that? |
| 22:37.55 | nvz | tiiiam: sure if you dont want to be online |
| 22:38.13 | Vasistha | tiiiam: sure, take out the 'auto eth0' line (or auto whatever -- don't remove auto lo!) from /etc/network/interfaces and it won't attempt to automatically connect |
| 22:38.17 | nvz | tiiiam: or you have the option of static networ configuration |
| 22:38.50 | nvz | tiiiam: note that any time you save not establishing a net connection will be lost when services try to start like exim |
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| 22:38.59 | nvz | which will have to timeout |
| 22:39.07 | tiiiam | I see |
| 22:39.08 | tiiiam | thanks |
| 22:39.31 | nvz | tiiiam: is this your home computer? |
| 22:40.21 | tiiiam | nvz: it's my laptop, so I just use wireless |
| 22:40.57 | nvz | tiiiam: I see so you will be accessing internet from various locations, and possibly even using it in situations where there is no connection available? |
| 22:41.17 | Vasistha | sounds like a good candidate for NetworkManager |
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| 22:43.09 | tiiiam | nvz: I just don't want it to wait on the DHCP discover, because rarely if even will I have it plugged into ethernet |
| 22:43.27 | nvz | tiiiam: wireless has dhcp too you know |
| 22:43.43 | Vasistha | tiiiam: why don't you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:43.48 | nvz | dhcp isnt an ethernet thing, its a dynamic host configuration protocol |
| 22:44.06 | tiiiam | i know that |
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| 22:45.14 | nvz | tiiiam: like said earlier you need to remove your auto lines from /etc/network/interfaces but then you need to figure out how you are going to obtain network connectivity. |
| 22:45.39 | tiiiam | nvz: can't network-manager handle it? |
| 22:45.59 | nvz | tiiiam: and if more often than not you are going to be offline when bootng you may want to make other changes to startup reguarding network services.. MTA, SSH..etc |
| 22:46.14 | nvz | tiiiam: seems like thats the way to go for a portable system |
| 22:46.23 | Vasistha | tiiiam: networkmanager can almost definitely handle your setup, and is quite a nice tool, indeed. Although yuo do need to comment your interfaces out of /etc/network/interfaces if you want to use NM. |
| 22:46.39 | Vasistha | (with those interfaces) |
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| 22:47.03 | juancgt | erm, speedstep-ich or p4_clockmod ? anyone? |
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| 22:48.26 | tiiiam | Vasistha: like comment out the whole file? |
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| 22:48.40 | Vasistha | tiiiam: don't comment out the loopback interface (two lines) |
| 22:48.54 | tiiiam | Vasistha: yeah i kinda figured |
| 22:48.56 | Vasistha | tiiiam: but you can comment out all the rest of it and let NM handle everything! |
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| 22:49.08 | tiiiam | Vasistha: thanks a lot |
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| 22:50.15 | Vasistha | tiiiam: basically, if an interface is defined with "iface ethX whatever" then NM will not touch that interface. (And if an interface *isn't* defined that way, you can't use ifup/ifdown) ... so you get to choose one or the other, either ifup/ifdown, or NM, for each interface. e.g. I have eth0, eth1, and wlan0 |
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| 23:08.20 | Ramendik_afk | tarzeau: ghfaxviewer worked! |
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| 23:11.21 | nvz | ugh iceweasel is pissing me off to no end.. I've had far more crashes and non-responsive instances than before I switched from firefox 1.5 |
| 23:12.18 | nvz | I am gonna have to start doing work in a real program.. its ridiculous that I cant just type shit in iceweasel and not fear loosing all my work cause it decides to be retarded |
| 23:14.21 | tarzeau | Ramendik_afk: heh, great! |
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| 23:16.00 | gbw | hello, is there any deb package for mvn? |
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| 23:18.07 | streuner_ | mvn? |
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| 23:20.07 | JosefAssad | mubversion. Jim Henson's subversion fork. |
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| 23:22.48 | linxuz3r | whats going on guys |
| 23:23.49 | x_link | Will E17 ever be in the Debian repo? |
| 23:24.12 | linxuz3r | x_link: do you know if you can install ubuntu packages in debian? |
| 23:24.26 | linxuz3r | x_link: or if you can use ubuntu repo? |
| 23:24.42 | cast | x_link: you know its not released yet...yes, it will be in debian. when its released |
| 23:24.43 | x_link | linxuz3r: I heard that there is or will be a Debian repo for it. That's why I asked. |
| 23:24.46 | abrotman | x_link: ask the maintainer |
| 23:24.54 | x_link | cast: Okej, thanks! |
| 23:25.02 | abrotman | linxuz3r: it's not recommended |
| 23:25.03 | centrx | x_link, there is an unofficial one |
| 23:25.19 | cast | compiling it is easy enough though |
| 23:25.20 | abrotman | linxuz3r: basically you'll end up with a mutant system that no one will want to support |
| 23:25.30 | linxuz3r | can you do it though to install ubuntu packages in debian? |
| 23:25.32 | centrx | x_link, deb http://www.edevelop.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 23:25.36 | x_link | centrx: Which repo is needed for that? |
| 23:25.44 | x_link | centrx: I use Debian Testing. |
| 23:25.47 | centrx | me too |
| 23:25.53 | centrx | I haven't updated it in a while |
| 23:25.54 | abrotman | linxuz3r: try it and see .. but you're on your own if it breaks |
| 23:26.08 | centrx | x_link, the only issue is if they have re-compiled with the new glibc, etc. |
| 23:26.24 | x_link | centrx: Okej, I will add that repo now and see if it works for me. |
| 23:26.27 | x_link | centrx: Thanks man =) |
| 23:26.48 | centrx | x_link, otherwise, you might want to wait a few days for that to get into testing |
| 23:26.48 | centrx | x_link, but I have never had it break |
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| 23:27.02 | centrx | x_link, just don't update it frequently, because it is updated frequently and if you upgrade often you are more likely to have it break on you |
| 23:27.14 | x_link | centrx: Okej. |
| 23:27.31 | x_link | centrx: So I shouldn't run sudo aptitude update or sudo aptitude upgrade often if I want to use that? |
| 23:28.19 | centrx | just comment it out of your sources.list |
| 23:28.24 | linxuz3r | anyone running vmware? |
| 23:28.25 | centrx | that's what I do anyway |
| 23:28.29 | x_link | Why? |
| 23:28.29 | centrx | so you can keep updating everything else |
| 23:28.32 | x_link | Then it iwll not work? |
| 23:28.35 | x_link | ohh ok |
| 23:28.39 | abrotman | linxuz3r: in #vmware they are |
| 23:28.43 | x_link | When I want to update/upgrade I should comment it out |
| 23:28.53 | centrx | the other way around |
| 23:28.54 | x_link | centrx: Do you have the key for that repo? |
| 23:28.57 | centrx | or maybe that's what you mean |
| 23:29.09 | linxuz3r | who is lenny? |
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| 23:29.19 | x_link | linxuz3r: Debian Testing = Lenny |
| 23:29.28 | x_link | linxuz3r: The new Testing is namned Lenny. |
| 23:29.29 | abrotman | the binoculars |
| 23:29.34 | linxuz3r | oh |
| 23:29.52 | centrx | x_link, it doesn't look like it has a key |
| 23:29.59 | x_link | centrx: Okej |
| 23:31.24 | centrx | x_link, it looks like you might, at the moment, have to download one package from unstable |
| 23:31.39 | x_link | I'm installing it right now |
| 23:31.40 | x_link | centrx: PM |
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| 23:44.25 | centrx | I hope x_link is okay |
| 23:44.49 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 23:44.58 | nvz | heh |
| 23:45.49 | nvz | abrotman: you like throwing rocks at sinking ships don't you |
| 23:46.46 | centrx | it's more like I shouldn't have told the captain how to sink the ship in the first place |
| 23:46.53 | nvz | I like pressure myself, I'd be the one with the foam cup throwing water overboard while abrotman is throwing cannon balls |
| 23:48.09 | abrotman | centrx: especially that one |
| 23:48.29 | streuner_ | !kill nvz |
| 23:48.54 | streuner_ | nvz: you like pressure? no problem :-P |
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| 23:54.38 | martyn | hi, . i have a problem with a etch debian.. |
| 23:54.43 | abrotman | !ask |
| 23:54.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:54.44 | martyn | yes.. i conntinue. |
| 23:54.48 | martyn | :p.. and... |
| 23:55.28 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 23:57.17 | martyn | i have a personal PC, with Debian Etch, i have sound in the speaker normally, but when i put the microphone in the frontal panel, i not response, and when i put the headsets in this frontal panel, not sound :(. in the panel write "spdif" .. |
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| 23:57.58 | abrotman | spdif isn't for normal speakers |
| 23:58.09 | martyn | some know tha can be ? |
| 23:58.16 | martyn | yes,, |
| 23:58.56 | martyn | mm.. i have tow ports,.. 1) spdif, 2) picture with headsets |
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| 23:59.33 | abrotman | you sure hte port is hooked up ? |
| 23:59.34 | martyn | none works |
