| 00:00.23 | abrotman | i mean inside |
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| 00:01.10 | abrotman | martyn: do you also have windows on this machine ? |
| 00:01.11 | martyn | yes, the personnal pc is new, and in windows is works |
| 00:01.18 | martyn | yes. |
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| 00:01.47 | abrotman | maybe try asking #alsa |
| 00:02.35 | abrotman | martyn: do the ports in the rear work ? |
| 00:02.45 | Miles_Prower | wols: dpkg messaged me about something? |
| 00:03.27 | martyn | abrotman, yes in windows, perfect work |
| 00:03.39 | abrotman | i mean in debian |
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| 00:04.06 | abrotman | ah .. nevermind .. you already answered that |
| 00:04.44 | martyn | abrotman, i'm sorry, my english not is very good.. :( |
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| 00:05.09 | abrotman | spanish is your native language ? |
| 00:05.22 | martyn | abrotman, what do you say with " i mean in debian" ? yes is my language |
| 00:05.26 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:05.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:05.37 | abrotman | martyn: you already answered it .. your speakers work normally .. it's just the front ports |
| 00:06.07 | martyn | yes, just the front ports. |
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| 00:10.29 | omri | I'm trying to create a PXE netboot debian environment with NFS. I don't want to give the guests write access to the NFS but I want them to be able to make virtual changes to files (smartcard function) - similar to livecds behaviour. |
| 00:10.33 | omri | how is such thing possible? |
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| 00:11.14 | omri | I thought about mounting a special filesystem with -o loop (the actual filesystem will be on a NFS share) |
| 00:11.21 | omri | the question is: what filesystem? |
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| 00:13.53 | purplepenguins | real vnc is so much faster than tight vnc |
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| 00:29.58 | valdyn | omri: unionfs |
| 00:30.12 | omri | yes I've seen some stuff about it. reading now. thanks |
| 00:30.37 | dawn_chorus | after performing a "cross-install" and 'tasksel install standard && tasksel install desktop', will I need to configure the startup scripts, or does tasksel do that? |
| 00:31.17 | abrotman | cross-install ? |
| 00:31.26 | abrotman | startup scripts to do what ? |
| 00:31.32 | dawn_chorus | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 00:31.51 | abrotman | oh .. |
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| 00:32.11 | abrotman | anyways .. the init scripts should be there |
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| 00:32.24 | dawn_chorus | that's what the doc referred to it as. |
| 00:33.26 | dawn_chorus | i usually refer to it as a chroot install. |
| 00:33.54 | abrotman | most here just call it debootstrap :) |
| 00:34.06 | dawn_chorus | ah. i could see why. : |
| 00:34.17 | abrotman | no expression at all! |
| 00:34.26 | eldowan | even keel even... |
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| 00:35.45 | Perdignus | Hello - I tried running linux-image-2.6.20-1-xen-686 and lots of weird stuff started happening to a normally stable computer, my network connections started dropping, weird messages on the console, etc... |
| 00:36.21 | Perdignus | Has anyone else seen this behavior? |
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| 00:36.41 | defsoul | hi, i have a little problem... i can't configure my wireless pci card,Ralink RT2561/RT61 on debian lenny, i've tried a lot of things... but i can't get it work.. :x can anyone help me pls? |
| 00:37.01 | abrotman | isn't there an ralink m-a thingie ? |
| 00:37.20 | abrotman | !info rt2500-source lenny |
| 00:37.26 | dpkg | rt2500-source: (RT2500 wireless network drivers source), section net, is extra. Version: 1.1.0+cvs20060620-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 241 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 00:37.35 | struct | abrotman: is there some way to generate a ssl cert with make-ssl-cert and specify a days option longer then 30? |
| 00:38.07 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 00:39.08 | struct | abrotman: any docs or links you could point me to on how to do it? |
| 00:39.11 | struct | abrotman: that do not involve a patch I should say |
| 00:39.21 | abrotman | right .. i'm looking .. i just did this recently :) |
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| 00:41.30 | abrotman | wait .. maybe i used apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 00:42.00 | struct | abrotman: thats not in etch though I think |
| 00:42.12 | struct | abrotman: or lenny for that matter |
| 00:42.24 | abrotman | i know |
| 00:42.38 | struct | abrotman: I was sure I did this with make-ssl-cert before but maybe I didnt |
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| 00:43.11 | abrotman | struct: which template are you using ? |
| 00:43.12 | struct | guess I will have to write a script once and for all to do this for me |
| 00:43.24 | struct | abrotman: the default /usr/share/ssl-cert/ssleay.cnf |
| 00:43.55 | abrotman | if you look in /etc/ssl/ssleay.cnf .. it has a default_days option |
| 00:44.01 | abrotman | (on a sarge box anyways) |
| 00:44.06 | struct | let me check it |
| 00:44.44 | abrotman | now it's openssl.cnf |
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| 00:45.05 | struct | yeah |
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| 00:45.13 | struct | can I use that with make-ssl-cert? |
| 00:45.33 | abrotman | uhm .. maybe? :) |
| 00:45.56 | struct | trying it now |
| 00:46.05 | abrotman | good .. then i don't have to :) |
| 00:46.15 | struct | :) |
| 00:46.26 | struct | there really should be a days option for make-ssl-cert |
| 00:46.34 | struct | its very vexing that there is not a days option |
| 00:46.41 | abrotman | file a wishlist bug ? |
| 00:47.16 | struct | there was already a bug about this from 2005 |
| 00:47.25 | struct | if they have not fixed it yet I doubt they will |
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| 00:48.48 | abrotman | you could submit a patch ? |
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| 00:49.16 | pmvalente | hello, as anybody use wireless ralink with WPA? |
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| 00:49.42 | struct | abrotman: there is already a patch |
| 00:49.47 | abrotman | oh .. weird |
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| 00:51.27 | Starwatcher | got a question for you apt-get experts, seems that somthing has got corrupt so that apt- does not see anything that has already been installed so is there a command that will tell it to go out and update that file with things that are already on the computer |
| 00:51.58 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: that's the status database; if you've deleted it for some reason, you'll have to restore it from a backup. |
| 00:52.12 | dondelelcaro | Starwatcher: there may be backups in /var/backups/dpkg.status |
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| 00:52.33 | pmvalente | hello, as anybody use wireless ralink with WPA? |
| 00:53.18 | Starwatcher | where is the orginal placed? |
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| 00:54.58 | Starwatcher | dondelelcaro where is the orginal placed? |
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| 00:56.14 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 00:56.58 | Starwatcher | thanks guys for the help |
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| 00:57.31 | eldowan | I've got a defunct process which I can't kill with kill [-9] <pid> How would I terminate this? |
| 00:57.56 | abrotman | is it a zombie ? |
| 00:58.08 | dondelelcaro | !zombie |
| 00:58.08 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 00:58.35 | abrotman | evil crossposter! |
| 00:58.43 | asarch | Someone told that I need to open one TCP port and one UDP port so torrents could works correctly? |
| 00:58.45 | asarch | Is it wrong to open the same port number for both? For example, the port 31203? |
| 00:58.59 | wols_ | asarch: that's fine |
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| 01:00.46 | amphi | asarch: you can use the same port for both - a port over 49152 IIRC is recommeded |
| 01:01.18 | asarch | Thanks |
| 01:02.03 | asarch | I've been banned from #azureus-support |
| 01:02.03 | asarch | Just because I said "BitTyrant" |
| 01:02.25 | struct | asarch: well you have to watch out in certain channels |
| 01:02.33 | abrotman | and not complain here :) |
| 01:02.36 | amphi | thoroughly deserved |
| 01:02.44 | struct | asarch: I am banned for life from #mandriva |
| 01:02.55 | struct | asarch: said some things that left people sore :) |
| 01:02.59 | asg | karsten: so, you got resume working? |
| 01:03.04 | abrotman | struct: yeah .. but no one wants to see naked pictures of your butt |
| 01:03.06 | asarch | Really? |
| 01:03.08 | asarch | struct: That's *SO* pitty |
| 01:03.09 | amphi | struct: your sufferings must be incalculable |
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| 01:03.30 | struct | amphi: extremely |
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| 01:03.44 | struct | amphi: took me at least a second to get over it |
| 01:03.46 | asarch | I thought you can speak freedomly on the channels |
| 01:03.48 | karsten | asg: I did. |
| 01:04.00 | abrotman | asarch: it's at the discretion of the ops |
| 01:04.01 | struct | asarch: some but not all |
| 01:04.29 | karsten | asg: Recap: first problem was a comma in /etc/uswsusp.conf on the partition spec ("/dev/hda5," rather than "/dev/hda5") |
| 01:04.30 | asarch | How long does it last a bann from #azures-support? |
| 01:04.31 | struct | asarch: why dont you enter #mandriva and say something nice about debian |
| 01:04.38 | asg | karsten: excellent |
| 01:04.39 | abrotman | asarch: ask them .. not us |
| 01:04.40 | struct | asarch: I will time you and see how long it takes for a kick/ban |
| 01:04.55 | abrotman | struct: don't do that |
| 01:04.58 | asarch | struct: But I didn't knew that "BitTyrant" were a bad word |
| 01:05.03 | karsten | asg: ... then I was apparently missing the proper initrd to find and restore from teh resume partition, so I did dpgk-reconfigure uswusp, which prompted for creating same. |
| 01:05.10 | karsten | asg: I can now suspend and resume properly. |
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| 01:05.21 | asg | karsten: ah, cool. Congrats. |
| 01:05.22 | pmvalente | hello, as anybody use wireless ralink with WPA? |
| 01:05.26 | struct | asarch: ah ok |
| 01:05.35 | struct | asarch: maybe you msg an op and explain yourself |
| 01:05.45 | karsten | asg: Current problem is sorting the xrandr config to allow resizing my dual-head display when in standalone, found a bug there (BTS'd it already), fixed upstream. |
| 01:05.51 | struct | asarch: or try to join in a while and see if you get back in |
| 01:05.57 | struct | asarch: sometimes the ban is only 5 minutes |
| 01:05.59 | karsten | asg: ... but I don't have the xrandr extension running in my current X session. |
| 01:06.02 | struct | or some period of time |
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| 01:06.18 | struct | asarch: or you can change your ip or nick or something and sneak back in |
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| 01:06.29 | abrotman | struct: wtf .. stop |
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| 01:06.38 | struct | abrotman: what? |
| 01:06.55 | abrotman | struct: he got banned .. evading the ban is worse .. and the entire thing has nothing to do with Debian |
| 01:07.14 | struct | fine |
| 01:07.41 | struct | asarch: if you like to chat freely you can join #bslug |
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| 01:09.47 | karsten | Hrm, what do I need to get randr running in xorg w/ ATI? |
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| 01:10.14 | abrotman | karsten: i ddin't have to do anything ..i think either your driver supports it or not |
| 01:10.21 | karsten | abrotman: Feh. |
| 01:10.25 | abrotman | indeed |
| 01:11.46 | asg | abrotman: surely you meant to run 'xterm -fg orange' |
| 01:11.53 | abrotman | i can't do reflections :( |
| 01:12.08 | abrotman | asg: not since i was at camp and i was doing fortran :) |
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| 01:12.25 | asg | abrotman: xterm -fg green? |
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| 01:12.37 | karsten | abrotman: my heart ... bleeds |
| 01:12.40 | abrotman | oh wait .. the WYSE terminal at Uni did that |
| 01:12.41 | asarch | struct: I'll wait for the five minutes.... |
| 01:12.52 | abrotman | the beepy term .. it was orang |
| 01:12.56 | abrotman | orange |
| 01:13.02 | abrotman | and the one next to it .. was green |
| 01:13.14 | abrotman | karsten: i was 13 .. what did i know |
| 01:13.28 | abrotman | karsten: the exploding screwdriver was fun though |
| 01:13.52 | epsilon | grub's menu.lst anyone? I have hda and hdb, hdb2 is RAID md1 I want to boot from. Is that the correct menu-lst entry? "root (hd1,1) \n kernel /boot/<kernel file> root=/dev/md1 \n initrd /boot/<initrd file>" |
| 01:14.36 | epsilon | or should I remove "root(hd1,1)" line? (said some howto) |
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| 01:16.12 | Ankman | epsilon: try it :-) |
| 01:17.08 | Ankman | you can stop at the grub prompt and do trial and error |
| 01:17.14 | namit_home | How do i figure out what hardware is in my machine |
| 01:17.21 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 01:17.22 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 01:17.31 | Ankman | namit_home: lspci |
| 01:17.36 | Ankman | oh, there was one faster |
| 01:17.47 | asg | !lose Ankman |
| 01:17.48 | dpkg | Ankman: You Lose. |
| 01:17.55 | Ankman | *LOL* |
| 01:18.19 | Ankman | yeah, like in the lottery again today |
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| 01:18.26 | Ankman | !sucks Ankman |
| 01:18.32 | asg | !fail Ankman |
| 01:18.35 | PumpkinPie | whats the name of that 64 hard drive chassis from sun? |
| 01:18.40 | namit_home | and the partitioning layout? windows was on this box and i want to format that hard disk. |
| 01:18.49 | Ankman | fdisk -l |
| 01:18.58 | Ankman | fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 01:19.08 | HostilePenguin | i ran aptitude install linux-image 2.6.18 bla bla didnt have option from grub to load that image on boot ran update-grub it shows my new image in my debian automagic kernelslist now what do i do? |
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| 01:19.34 | namit_home | Ankman: thanks thats cool |
| 01:20.02 | Ankman | there's also cfdisk interactive |
| 01:20.11 | epsilon | namit_home: shred -n 1 -z -v <your win harddrive device> |
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| 01:20.27 | Ankman | can play around, do stuff, no prob, do not write though if sure what you are doing |
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| 01:20.32 | eat_life | how do i load default iptables rules for when debian reboots? |
| 01:20.40 | Ankman | if NOT sure |
| 01:20.43 | asg | eat_life: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README* |
| 01:20.50 | namit_home | cool have 16gb free |
| 01:21.03 | eat_life | asg: theres no readme there :P |
| 01:21.06 | Ankman | iptables -F INPUT |
| 01:21.10 | Ankman | iptables -F OUTPUT |
| 01:21.15 | Ankman | iptables -F FORWARD |
| 01:21.31 | asg | eat_life: then that's a bug |
| 01:21.36 | asg | Ankman: stop it |
| 01:21.44 | Ankman | ? |
| 01:21.56 | Ankman | he wanted to flush the chains, no? |
| 01:22.04 | eat_life | nope, not me |
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| 01:22.31 | Ankman | dah, gonna go and play Pacman then |
| 01:22.45 | asg | Ankman: no, he asked how to load default rules on a reboot. |
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| 01:23.01 | eat_life | well since it's not there, any place else i can find out? |
| 01:23.03 | Ankman | what are default rules? aren't they empty? |
| 01:23.04 | pmvalente | hello, as anybody use wireless ralink with WPA? |
| 01:23.08 | asg | eat_life: well, since there's no readme, I'll tell you what the old one used to say. |
| 01:23.08 | JosefAssad | wth? procmail hangs when accessing procmail.log |
| 01:23.21 | Ankman | i mean if they are, nothing to do as they are empry by default :-) |
| 01:23.28 | asarch | What are the common ports to open for torrents? |
| 01:23.33 | eat_life | Ankman: i meant, have my rules loaded by default |
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| 01:23.40 | Ankman | ah |
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| 01:24.11 | asg | eat_life: 1) there is no default. 2) use iptables-restore in /etc/network/interfaces to load your ruleset from /etc/iptables or /etc/firewall or /var/lib/firewall (whatever you decide) 3) or install firehol or some other meta-firewalling package. |
| 01:24.15 | wols | asarch: there is no common port anymore |
| 01:24.22 | Ankman | you probably have a /etc/rc.local where you can put stuff to execute at boot time |
| 01:24.31 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 01:24.32 | dpkg | [rc.local] /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
| 01:24.40 | nvz | hmm I wonder why this box is giving me this "screens found but none have a usable configuration" after going sarge/xfree->etch/xorg all of a sudden |
| 01:24.52 | asg | eat_life: if you have a rules file that's compatible with iptables-restore, it's easiest to load it as an 'up' or 'pre-up' pragma rule in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:25.11 | asarch | Is it correct to define ports with just one address? I mean 31203-31203 |
| 01:25.14 | eat_life | i think i'll just do a /bin/sh /etc/firewall in rc.local i guess |
| 01:25.19 | eat_life | it's easier to do and manage |
| 01:25.30 | wols | eat_life: that's bad |
| 01:25.43 | eat_life | why? |
| 01:25.44 | asarch | Or I need to define a wide range of ports?: 6881-6889? |
| 01:25.49 | eat_life | it was one of the suggested methods |
| 01:25.52 | Ankman | eat_life: besides almost no one needs a "firewall", yes :-) |
| 01:26.04 | wols | cause then the firewall is off from when interfaces are brought up until rc.local is run |
| 01:26.13 | Wyzard | eat_life: It's better to use a firewall package, such as FireHOL or Shorewall, rather than writing a bunch of iptables rules manually |
| 01:26.18 | Ankman | wols: true |
| 01:26.23 | eat_life | it'll only be like a second |
| 01:26.28 | eat_life | Wyzard: it's already written |
| 01:26.29 | asg | Wyzard: he already has his rules |
| 01:26.31 | Ankman | you don't need any rules |
| 01:26.36 | asg | Ankman: stop it or fuck off |
| 01:26.41 | Wyzard | eat_life: A second is enough for an attacker who's making repeated attempts to connect |
| 01:26.49 | nvz | hmm seems when it setup xorg it didnt take the monitor settings from XF86Config-4 :( |
| 01:26.59 | wols | asarch: won't help.incoming you only need one port you can chose yourself. and why you'd want to limit outgoing is beyond me |
| 01:27.00 | Ankman | marketing tell you you need a firewall, that's bullshit |
| 01:27.08 | Ankman | there are rare cases you need one |
| 01:27.11 | eat_life | ok i'll look into the other method, strange though that the README is no longer in /usr/share/doc |
| 01:27.13 | Ankman | most of the users don't |
| 01:27.23 | asg | Ankman: every host should treat every other host as the enemy. |
| 01:27.30 | wols | eat_life: what do you need a firewall for? |
| 01:27.39 | Ankman | just don't start services you don't want, then you have nothing you need to protect |
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| 01:27.59 | Ankman | unless the TCP/IP stack is vulnerable which it isn't for my knowledge |
| 01:28.06 | eat_life | wols: to filter out ports i don't use |
| 01:28.08 | wols | if you have services open to the internet that are insecure. a firewall won't solve that problem. fix your box instead |
| 01:28.11 | eat_life | and to restrict some ports i do |
| 01:28.15 | wols | eat_life: ports you don't use are closed |
| 01:28.24 | Ankman | i don't have firewall rules, not here nor on my box at home |
| 01:28.24 | eat_life | wols: i rather it be timed out |
| 01:28.28 | asarch | wols: Thanks man |
| 01:28.31 | wols | and ports you do have open that are insecure means it's shitty software |
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| 01:29.19 | eat_life | wols: well no, i preferrably like to have it block all ssh connections that aren't from me rather than have someone attempting to login, doesn't mean he's going to get in, but i rather not even have him try |
| 01:29.23 | eat_life | and yes i use tcp wrappers too |
| 01:29.37 | Ankman | use host keys |
| 01:29.47 | Ankman | no passwords attempts |
| 01:29.56 | RockerMONO | who here would be interested if i could make a web-GUI to connect to a debian computer securely and fast? [just wondering if it's even worth trying] |
| 01:30.01 | asg | Ankman: he isn't worried about that, he's worried about a bug in ssh. |
| 01:30.10 | asg | Ankman: stop being a pillock |
| 01:30.36 | asg | RockerMONO: we'd rather just ssh in |
| 01:30.43 | struct | what is a pillock? |
| 01:31.00 | asg | struct: apt-get install dict ; dict pillock |
| 01:31.13 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: "web-GUI to connect to a Debian computer" is too vague to understand what you have in mind |
| 01:31.15 | asarch | wols: Thanks man |
| 01:31.17 | struct | asg: I've lost interest |
| 01:31.24 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: Do you mean something like a VNC client running in a browser? |
| 01:31.29 | asg | then don't ask stupid questions |
| 01:31.41 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: if i knew what VNC was i could answer that >.> |
| 01:31.48 | struct | it was not a stupid question |
| 01:31.54 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: What type of "GUI" do you mean, then? |
| 01:32.05 | struct | don't give smartass answers |
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| 01:32.41 | RockerMONO | like http://rockermono.nonlogic.org/webOS/ but having more aps & having the basic apps of Debian, but web-based, and having a command-line interpreter incase soemone wants to use that too |
| 01:33.11 | Ankman | for sshd: ListenAddress <ip address> in/etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 01:33.21 | Ankman | so bind it to lo or whatever |
| 01:33.26 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: That sort of thing is a nifty tech demo but isn't very useful in practical terms |
| 01:33.27 | RockerMONO | ? |
| 01:33.39 | Ankman | will not listen to other interfaces, so no need to firewall it |
| 01:33.44 | piztek | autohide isn't working for panel |
| 01:34.00 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: You'd just be making inferior Javascript clones of a bunch of desktop apps |
| 01:34.19 | Wyzard | Ankman: I think he meant blocking or allowing connections based on the *remote* IP address |
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| 01:35.04 | Ankman | asg: you can bind almost any service to what interface you want. sure that fuction *can* have a bug. but what if the kernel package filter has a bug triggered via iptables? |
| 01:35.17 | karsten | Ankman: There are some very valid reasons for defining various IP filtering and processign rulesets. And there's this odd little concept called layered security which might save your ass some day. |
| 01:35.24 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: i meant like show the desktop, a small command-line-interperter, etc. of a debian computer, from a web-based GUI |
| 01:35.30 | Ankman | hehe |
| 01:35.50 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: i guess it wouldn't be debain-only, but since debian is more open than most "open source" stuff i figured why not go with that ;) |
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| 01:36.03 | Ankman | well i don't use package filters on most of my servers, since years and not been hacked or something |
| 01:36.07 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: If you mean showing an *actual* desktop of real apps, rather than Javascript clones, then you're talking about VNC, and that already has a Java client that can run in a browser |
| 01:36.25 | asg | karsten: thanks, I was having a smoke |
| 01:36.33 | Ankman | me too |
| 01:36.54 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: i mean have JS versions like you said, but have them save/load the files from a computer, and have the desktop links show up on the web-GUI's desktop |
| 01:37.01 | karsten | Ankman: Think of it this way: you can rewrite *every* network-aware application to have the same redundant set of security features, or you can implement these once in some sensible place (the kernel, or perhaps in future a user-space layer) which can have a complete and independently debugged set of rules. |
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| 01:37.32 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: The Javascript apps aren't going to be nearly as robust or functional as the native ones they're imitating |
| 01:37.34 | karsten | Ankman: Same reason, say, that you'd have specialized tools for processing mail (eg: Procmail) or dealing with spam (spamassassin, bogofilter, etc.). |
| 01:37.40 | karsten | Ankman: Simple tools, one task. |
| 01:37.48 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: so why would anyone want to use that rather than just running stuff on their own computer? |
| 01:37.49 | karsten | asg: NP |
| 01:38.04 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: or using VNC or remote X if they need to run stuff remotely? |
| 01:38.22 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: what if they get stuck on winblows, or mac, or some other os? |
| 01:38.53 | karsten | Ankman: While it's correct to note that if you don't run crappy services, or services you don't need, you've got nothing to worry about, *and* that there's a lot of marketing- and management-bogosity about "firewalls" as a cure-all security measure, this doesn't mean that they're completely useless. They are a fucking pain most of the time though. |
| 01:38.54 | Ankman | hmm |
| 01:39.16 | Ankman | i don't say they are completely useless |
| 01:39.24 | asarch | wols: Thanks man |
| 01:39.25 | karsten | Ankman: ... and I'm reminded of the skydiving school guy's response to my question "Why would you want to jump out of a perfectly good airplane". |
| 01:39.32 | karsten | "Show me a perfectly good airplane". |
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| 01:39.46 | Ankman | but the usual purpose is mailing, browsing and little more, and you don't need a firewall then |
| 01:40.35 | karsten | Ankman: Actually, knowing that there are entire swaths of the Internet from which little but ill comes, I wouldn't mind having a specific way to either block orvastly slow down the traffic that comes from same. |
| 01:40.47 | Ankman | karsten: the "normal" user doesn't run servers, no need for, so he doesn't need a firewall. what would he want to protect? |
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| 01:41.02 | karsten | Ankman: iptables does jsut that. |
| 01:41.09 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: Then they can run stuff in that OS, or VNC to their Linux box at home if necessary |
| 01:41.12 | kersey | hello, how i install java-runtime plugin in iceweasel? |
| 01:41.19 | atp | is it possible to reparent an x window? specifically, if my server (at work, say) is running a firefox on the display there, and i ssh in to the machine from home, is there any way to "reparent" the firefox window so that it connects to my x server at home instead? |
| 01:41.26 | karsten | Ankman: The "normal" user doesn't _conciously_ run servers. |
| 01:41.30 | namit_home | so am tyring to use parted. Have rm a partition but now when i go to create a new partiion it says it wants a number put print has no number in it |
| 01:41.36 | asg | kersey: /msg dpkg install java |
| 01:41.38 | karsten | Ankman: There's a world of difference in those two statements. |
| 01:41.41 | lontra | kersey, install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin |
| 01:41.46 | Ankman | kersey: you basicly set a link to a file (can look it up) to the browsers plugin directory |
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| 01:42.05 | karsten | atp: There are two answers to that question. |
| 01:42.06 | karsten | atp: In theory: yes. |
| 01:42.09 | Wyzard | atp: There's a program called "xmove" which lets you do that by acting as an intermediary -- apps connect to it rather than to the real X server, and it knows how to reparent itself |
| 01:42.10 | karsten | atp: In practice: no. |
| 01:42.16 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: have you ever tried making a Linux app run on a diff OS? it requires another build for each os |
| 01:42.21 | kersey | lontra: needs a lot of dependencies... gcc-3.3-base etc |
| 01:42.30 | karsten | atp: what Wyzard said. I've never managed to make it work. |
| 01:42.32 | lontra | kersey, well don't install it then |
| 01:42.41 | Ankman | karsten: that takes us to "should those users administrate a computer?" |
| 01:42.48 | Wyzard | atp: dunno how practical it is to use, though -- you'd probably need to juggle DISPLAY variables and xauth keys to get stuff launched under xmove |
| 01:42.50 | karsten | atp: Your best bet is likely to use VNC or another remote desktop protocol for stuff you want to sahre. Frankly I've not found that worth the bother. |
| 01:42.51 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: and most of the time it will *not* work |
| 01:42.53 | asg | kersey: gcc-3.3-base is 150k |
| 01:42.54 | lontra | kersey, java is a pig |
| 01:43.01 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: I didn't say anything about running "Linux apps" in another OS |
| 01:43.13 | Ankman | karsten: i guess none of the recent linux distributions run servers by default after installation |
| 01:43.17 | Ankman | you have to tell it so |
| 01:43.17 | atp | karsten, Wyzard: hm.... ok, thanks, i'll look into it. |
| 01:43.29 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: yea but see, how would you open files from Linux on another os? |
| 01:43.32 | Ankman | if you do you better get some clue how to set them up |
| 01:43.37 | karsten | Ankman: That takes us to "how the hell are you planning on stopping them from going ahead and doing it otherwise, whether they even kwwo they're doing it or not". |
| 01:43.43 | asg | Piggy: squeal |
| 01:43.45 | karsten | Wyzard: You ever managed to get xmove running right? |
| 01:43.50 | Ankman | true :-) |
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| 01:43.57 | Piggy | =:-B |
| 01:44.04 | Wyzard | atp: What I normally do is SSH in using "-L 5900:localhost:5900" to forward the VNC port, then run "x11vnc -localhost -display :0" to start a VNC server viewing my desktop on the remote end, and then "vncviewer localhost" on the local end |
| 01:44.17 | Wyzard | atp: presto, SSH-encrypted VNC session viewing an existing remote display |
| 01:44.23 | aldin | after i install FTP + base |
| 01:44.27 | aldin | what to do next? |
| 01:44.28 | Wyzard | karsten: never tried it |
| 01:44.32 | karsten | atp: ssh forwarding also generally suffics. |
| 01:44.37 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: sftp perhaps |
| 01:44.41 | karsten | Wyzard: Yeah, unfortunately that's the standard story. |
| 01:45.03 | asg | karsten: it's horribly slow, but make your own judgement |
| 01:45.09 | aldin | sorry mistyped |
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| 01:45.19 | RockerMONO | Wyzard: that just copies the files, it wont change them to be specific to your current os, at least no SFTP software i know of |
| 01:45.22 | aldin | not supposed to be here |
| 01:45.34 | karsten | asg: In ap inch it'll do. And the alternatives (once secured) wouldn't be? |
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| 01:45.44 | atp | Wyzard: the thing is, i don't really want the whole display... just a single x window |
| 01:45.57 | asg | karsten: in a pinch, it'll do |
| 01:45.58 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: right -- upload the file, edit it, and then download it again |
| 01:46.02 | karsten | asg: Might also look into NX (nomachine) client and server available for debian. |
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| 01:46.52 | lu-bao | can somebody test and say me what OS he can see? (in whois or so) :) |
| 01:47.04 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: Your target user is someone who wants to use a Debian desktop, but only has access to a Windows or Mac desktop, and a browser |
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| 01:47.21 | nhuisman_work | Is there a command I can run to see if I'm running out of ram and paging? |
| 01:47.30 | namit_home | think have removed hard disk that had boot sector on it |
| 01:47.33 | namit_home | what can i do |
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| 01:47.35 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: but your Web-based thing isn't going to be the "Debian desktop" that they actually want to use, like GNOME or KDE or whatever; it's just a bunch of lightweight Javascript knockoffs |
| 01:47.41 | asg | namit_home: free, vmstat |
| 01:47.52 | asg | namit_home: if you are running out, dmesg will show nasty OOM messages |
| 01:47.57 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: Unless you're going to reimplement GNOME in Javascript it doesn't really seem that useful to me |
| 01:51.48 | namit_home | I have removed partion but have not restarted yet |
| 01:51.48 | nhuisman_work | so (free) in vmstat is really what's free minus buffers? |
| 01:51.48 | RockerMONO | ok man jeeze all i did was ask if anyone would use it, not a speech on why not to make it |
| 01:51.48 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: I responded saying I don't think it's useful, answering your original question |
| 01:51.49 | nhuisman_work | RockerMONO, what application is this? |
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| 01:51.49 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: You argued why I should want to use such a thing, and I explained why I don't |
| 01:51.49 | lu-bao | but Wine runs nearly perfectly :) |
| 01:51.49 | atp | RockerMONO: if you think it's useful, you should make it... presumably you yourself would use it, who cares if anyone else does? |
| 01:51.49 | lucas_amorim | Hello, I am trying a latex-beamer.lyx example file on lyx but a get an error like this: "Unknown document class: Using the default document class, because the class beamer is unknown." So, how do I make lyx know the beamer class? |
| 01:51.49 | lucas_amorim | I am using debian lenny, have already installed the latex-beamer package |
| 01:51.50 | asg | nhuisman_work: the 'free' column in the -/+ buffers line shows you what really is free. |
| 01:51.50 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: I'm not attacking you personally, just pointing out why I don't think your project would be useful to me |
| 01:51.50 | RockerMONO | ok |
| 01:51.51 | lu-bao | lucas_amorim lenny = testing? |
| 01:51.51 | lucas_amorim | yes |
| 01:51.51 | atp | hm, xmove seems relatively straightforward |
| 01:51.51 | lu-bao | okay :) |
| 01:51.51 | RockerMONO | nhuisman_work: http://rockermono.nonlogic.org/webOS/ is all i have so far [not much] |
| 01:51.52 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: It's easy to do a "browser" since it's running *in* a browser so you already have HTML rendering capability |
| 01:51.52 | RockerMONO | .... |
| 01:51.52 | lu-bao | maybe somebody can say me what he is seeing what for an OS i run? :/ want to know if it will shown right or not :) |
| 01:51.52 | Wyzard | RockerMONO: but try doing, say, a word processor... it's not going to be anywhere near a substitute for OpenOffice or whatever |
| 01:51.53 | nhuisman_work | RockerMONO, is that actually rendering with a diff engine? |
| 01:51.53 | RockerMONO | no |
| 01:51.53 | asg | lu-bao: /whois and whois(1) will not tell us (or you) what OS you are running. |
| 01:51.53 | RockerMONO | Wyzard & nhuisman_work :i just made that so i could get the window functions correct before i made other apps |
| 01:51.53 | nhuisman_work | so you hope to run apps via ajax? |
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| 01:51.53 | lu-bao | asg but i knew someone some time ago and he could see my os and all that :) |
| 01:51.57 | karsten | Wyzard: OK, I think I'm grokking xmove. |
| 01:51.58 | asg | lu-bao: they probably used 'nmap -O <your ip>' |
| 01:52.10 | karsten | Wyzard: It runs a pseudoserver. Display localhost:1 by default. |
| 01:52.18 | karsten | Wyzard: Launch clients on that display. |
| 01:52.23 | lu-bao | cause i run "mIRC" as irc client and this through Wine on debian etch :) |
| 01:52.24 | Wyzard | karsten: I don't particularly doubt that it works, but I wouldn't want to have to manually launch everything with a different DISPLAY |
| 01:52.27 | karsten | Wyzard: Use xmovectrl to actually move clients. |
| 01:52.37 | asg | lu-bao: and from an AOL account also, cute. |
| 01:52.39 | karsten | Wyzard: Well, you could set your default display to the xmove server. |
| 01:53.00 | lu-bao | asg huh? whats with aol? :) |
| 01:53.06 | Wyzard | karsten: have some sort of zany xinitrc that launches xmove, then changes DISPLAY and launches the rest? |
| 01:53.21 | asg | lu-bao: 21:46 -!- lu-bao [n=spanther@ACB07319.ipt.aol.com] |
| 01:53.37 | namit_home | asg: do i not have to recfig grub if i deleted boot sector on disk? |
| 01:53.50 | RockerMONO | nhuisman_work: i can make it open in a different engine |
| 01:54.06 | lu-bao | ah i see xD yeah but i dont really care for my ISP its just a door to enter the internet :) i use it with router without stupid aol software and i dont talk about it its just an door :) |
| 01:54.12 | karsten | Wyzard: I've seen worse. |
| 01:54.15 | Wyzard | karsten: My other concern is the set of supported extensions -- since xmove is acting as an X server, it needs to support a least-common-denominator set of protocol extensions |
| 01:54.27 | karsten | Wyzard: I've just moved xlogo from my desktop to a Xephyr session. |
| 01:54.29 | asg | lu-bao: doors swing both ways |
| 01:54.34 | karsten | Wyzard: Yeah. |
| 01:54.42 | Wyzard | karsten: Things like GLX and XRender support I'd worry about |
| 01:54.45 | karsten | Wyzard: I'd use this for a limited set of things. Terminals, and possibly browser. |
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| 01:54.51 | lu-bao | asg then i dont know the right word for what i want to say *g* |
| 01:54.55 | karsten | Wyzard: Apps where state matters. |
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| 01:55.15 | Wyzard | karsten: but then you can't do the "launch everything under xmove at login" approach... you'd need to change how you launch individual apps |
| 01:55.32 | Wyzard | karsten: It's workable, but a pain... I'd just stick with SSH and x11vnc |
| 01:55.36 | nhuisman_work | RockerMONO, what other applications do you hope to provide? |
| 01:55.44 | asg | lu-bao: well, I assume you know that wine is bug-for-bug compliant with Windows. So, given that fact, you are likely more at risk running it under wine in Debian than using something like irssi or gaim or <insert latest gooey widgety thing> |
| 01:57.44 | lu-bao | asg well let me say i just took them cause t-com was bad here in service and aol gave me friendly support so i took them but i am not proud about or angry about its only an ISP nothing special to care for :) |
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| 01:57.44 | RockerMONO | nhuisman_work: i'm not sure, deff adding a public chat, word processor, and gonna attempt to make a IRC-client on there :) but i'm not sure how well that'll work |
| 01:57.45 | lu-bao | asg yeah but when you ran mIRC once then you know why i prefer this its still better and more slim designed :) |
| 01:57.45 | nhuisman_work | If you designed applications to use a data stream to pass their gui info back and forth you could probably easily write an ajax front end for them. |
| 01:57.45 | nhuisman_work | RockerMONO, i have a feeling though, that someone else is already doing or done this. |
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| 01:57.46 | nhuisman_work | http://www.ajaxlaunch.com/ |
| 01:57.46 | nhuisman_work | not really any point in reinventing the wheel |
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| 01:57.46 | RockerMONO | nhuisman_work: you might like http://rockermono.nonlogic.org/TheMISS , it uses AJAX to execute server-side functions [if i've enabled them] |
| 01:57.49 | nhuisman_work | I really wanted an ajax compiler front end |
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| 01:57.52 | asg | lu-bao: never used it |
| 01:57.59 | xerophyte | how can i increase the font size in rxvt ? |
| 01:58.00 | nhuisman_work | http://www.ajax13.com/en/ajaxos/ |
| 01:58.02 | lu-bao | i cant live without mIRC but otherwise i cant run win on my notebook (crappy hardware support) so i choose the mix :) mIRC + debian :D lol |
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| 01:58.15 | nhuisman_work | looks like the demo is broken |
| 01:58.19 | PingFloyd | xerophyte: edit your ~/.Xresources |
| 01:58.24 | lu-bao | asg if you want a screenshot i can give you :) |
| 01:58.25 | RockerMONO | nhuisman_work: i'm just doin this for fun anyways ;) |
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| 01:58.52 | karsten | Wyzard: My interest is being able to maintain client state while switching display modes, while xrandr isn't working. |
| 01:58.57 | xerophyte | PingFloyd, i don't want to increase the font size on all the window of rxvt terminal .. i want temporary increase |
| 01:59.07 | epsilon | I installed grub via apt-get in debootstrag envorinment, but it has files in /boot/grub... how do I generate/instal them? |
| 01:59.10 | asg | lu-bao: you misunderstand me, I have no use for such things. Hackable text interfaces are much more to my liking. |
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| 01:59.52 | PingFloyd | xerophyte: then you probably want a less spartan terminal emulator |
| 01:59.53 | lu-bao | asg ah okays *g* mh i look for eyecandys and same time usability slim easy and complex tools :) |
| 01:59.55 | karsten | Wyzard: If I can launch specific clients to the xmove server, then start and kill :0 as needed (switching between dual and single head mode), and redefine my app launch commands (mostly in windowmaker menus anyhow) to specify "DISPLAY :1 <command>", then I'm pretty much there. |
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| 02:00.10 | asg | lu-bao: whatever works for you |
| 02:00.26 | asfasds | hello, whats the name of the package that contain adsl-connect and adsl-setup? I need to find with apt-get? |
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| 02:00.58 | lu-bao | asfasds try apt-cache search :) |
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| 02:01.14 | asfasds | just installed ubuntu 7.04 server and i am not able to instal the packages |
| 02:02.00 | Arafangion | asfasds: Ahh, good to hear you're installing debian instead, then :) |
| 02:02.00 | namit_home | I have a feeling that when i restart my computer it will not come back up. |
| 02:02.08 | RockerMONO | why is that? |
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| 02:02.23 | asfasds | well its based on debian guys |
| 02:02.29 | lu-bao | Arafangion right debian rocks more hehe :) |
| 02:02.31 | namit_home | RockerMONO: i think the boot sector was on a hard disk i just formated |
| 02:02.34 | karsten | namit_home: Easy enough to fix. Have a bootable disk handy (Knoppix, lnx-bbc, dsl, etc.). |
| 02:02.41 | lontra | !based on debian |
| 02:02.42 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 02:02.56 | RockerMONO | namit_home: dangggggg that really sucks |
| 02:02.59 | RockerMONO | !based on debian |
| 02:03.00 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 02:03.11 | RockerMONO | ...what's the point of that? |
| 02:03.16 | lu-bao | spam xD |
| 02:03.19 | namit_home | karsten RockerMONO: well i am still loged in at the mo |
| 02:03.47 | RockerMONO | namit_home: yea, just dont restart ;) |
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| 02:03.56 | namit_home | karsten: RockerMONO: is there anything can do now. Except that |
| 02:04.04 | lu-bao | oh one question i have is it possible that wine is a point as entry for hackers or viruses that my system can be affected easier ? |
| 02:04.21 | namit_home | can i check where the boot sector was ? |
| 02:04.23 | asfasds | unfortunatly , i need to find the binary of adsl-connect and adsl-setup , though the package name is pppoeconf but there's no adsl-connect |
| 02:04.27 | asfasds | or pppoe-connect |
| 02:04.31 | RockerMONO | namit_home: you can copy everything on your comp. to a CD |
| 02:04.32 | asfasds | so im kinda lost here |
| 02:04.36 | nzk | What is the de-facto C++ book? |
| 02:04.37 | Arafangion | asfasds: At best, it's based on a very unstable, unreliable version of Debian we don't even recommend /here/, with all hte packages renamed, recompiled, adn teh dependency systems messed up. |
| 02:04.47 | RockerMONO | namit_home: then if it DOES die, you can just re-install the OS & software, then save everything again |
| 02:04.52 | RockerMONO | :) |
| 02:04.53 | lontra | asfasds, ask in #ubuntu what they call it |
| 02:04.54 | Arafangion | asfasds: Try asking #ubuntu. |
| 02:04.59 | omri | I just found a but in debian's initrd scripts |
| 02:05.05 | omri | well, you judge if this is a bug |
| 02:05.08 | asfasds | thanks guys |
| 02:05.19 | asfasds | ciao |
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| 02:05.22 | namit_home | RockerMONO: no do not like that setup. Can i not just reinstall gurb while i am on |
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| 02:05.32 | RockerMONO | namit_home: i dont think so |
| 02:05.36 | omri | when a script contains a '-' character in its name, you get a weird error (that's the PREREQS check) |
| 02:05.42 | Arafangion | Wow, some folks surprise me... |
| 02:05.51 | RockerMONO | namit_home: but i'm not sure, ask someone else lol |
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| 02:05.58 | lu-bao | Arafangion why? |
| 02:06.20 | RockerMONO | look at the microsoft crew, doesn't THAT surprise you? =p |
| 02:06.31 | Arafangion | lu-bao: They just do. |
| 02:06.31 | lu-bao | woah damn i need sleep i think 4 o clock in the morning x.x |
| 02:06.43 | RockerMONO | it's microsucks! |
| 02:06.44 | lu-bao | RockerMONO lol flame |
| 02:06.58 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 02:06.59 | dpkg | bongswat is probably "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 02:07.15 | namit_home | anyone know if i find if i have formated the boot sector section of my hard disk? |
| 02:07.15 | RockerMONO | brb |
| 02:08.05 | lu-bao | mh okay but i'm glad that everyone works so i can go sleep now good night everyone and have fun at working with debian and support others :) |
| 02:08.37 | Arafangion | lu-bao: You lazy bastard :) |
| 02:08.53 | lu-bao | Arafangion i dont know how you mean that but it sounds evil... |
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| 02:13.23 | RockerMONO | back |
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| 02:14.29 | Guerin | RockerMONO: we don't care about your crappy taste in music |
| 02:14.56 | asg | Guerin: sounds even worse if you '| flite' |
| 02:15.07 | karsten | !friday |
| 02:15.07 | dpkg | it has been said that friday is tardsday eve eve |
| 02:15.12 | RockerMONO | Guerin: what's your freakin problem? |
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| 02:15.41 | Guerin | RockerMONO: which one? |
| 02:16.02 | karsten | RockerMONO: We *really* don't have time for all of them |
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| 02:16.28 | karsten | RockerMONO: ... however his initial point was right. Turn off your music advertising app here. |
| 02:16.31 | Guerin | nah, inflatable goats still do not number among my vices |
| 02:16.43 | asg | Guerin: pity |
| 02:16.59 | RockerMONO | karsten: well he doesn't have to say crap about my choice in music, that's got nothin to do with him |
| 02:17.05 | asg | karsten: http://www.jpgclan.com/INTERESTINGGIFT1.jpeg |
| 02:17.21 | Guerin | RockerMONO: sure it does. You're in a public channel, what you say here is fair game. |
| 02:17.48 | RockerMONO | Guerin: you dont even want to know what i want to say to you right now... |
| 02:17.57 | Guerin | TBPFH i've never heard of this `Trapt' but I'm prepared to bet they're shite |
| 02:18.02 | karsten | RockerMONO: You lose by playing. |
| 02:18.12 | Guerin | RockerMONO: your forbearance is to be commended |
| 02:18.27 | asg | RockerMONO: I'm sure it's been said many times. Suffice it to say, we hate people's automate "Look at what I'm listening to scripts". We *really* hate it when they do it intentionally. |
| 02:18.54 | karsten | asg: I knew we could count on you to find that. |
| 02:19.22 | RockerMONO | asg: well someone could freakin ask me to turn it off instaed of being a little bitch about it |
| 02:19.30 | asg | karsten: Dave2 claims some irc channel took a collection and mailed it to his parents house; granted, this is Dave2 we are talking about so ... |
| 02:19.40 | Guerin | RockerMONO: i could, but that wouldn't be unsubtle enough |
| 02:19.40 | karsten | RockerMONO: And you could catch a clue and not _continue_ to make a fuss about it. |
| 02:19.41 | asg | RockerMONO: we did |
| 02:20.00 | Guerin | i've worked hard to build up this reputation as a complete bastard, no way I'm giving it away now by being reasonable |
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| 02:20.14 | karsten | RockerMONO: You've now polluted the channel and pissed off most of the regulars. Anything else we ccan help you with today? |
| 02:20.51 | RockerMONO | i didn't even freakin do anything except forget to turn off a peice of shit script that came with XChat, so how bout you people get the hell off my case? |
| 02:21.18 | karsten | RockerMONO: Shut up and behave would be a start. Showing a tad of contrition would be gravy. |
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| 02:21.44 | mafios0 | hello, is it possible to instal many packages by one command? |
| 02:21.49 | asg | we could always just *plonk* it |
| 02:21.50 | Guerin | mafios0: yes. |
| 02:21.51 | karsten | mafios0: Yes |
| 02:21.59 | asg | mafios0: yes, apt-get install <pkg1> <pkg2> <...> |
| 02:21.59 | mafios0 | how please? |
| 02:22.07 | karsten | mafios0: specify 'em. |
| 02:22.10 | mafios0 | what about * |
| 02:22.21 | Guerin | mafios0: you don't want to install * |
| 02:22.26 | karsten | mafios0: man bash. Globbing. Then tell us when that will and won't work. |
| 02:22.30 | asg | mafios0: most likely, .bashrc is not an installable package |
| 02:22.32 | Guerin | even if it were possible, you wouldn't want to |
| 02:22.48 | mafios0 | well okm |
| 02:23.11 | asg | !qotd86 |
| 02:23.11 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
| 02:23.12 | karsten | mafios0: If you have a list of packages in a file: aptitude install $( cat file ) |
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| 02:23.35 | karsten | mafios0: If you have another scenario you're contemplating, share. I forgot to pay my esp bill this month. |
| 02:23.56 | asg | karsten: tea leaves are much better in June, FYI |
| 02:24.08 | karsten | asg: Bagged. |
| 02:24.19 | asg | karsten: hah |
| 02:24.21 | mafios0 | thanks anyway :) |
| 02:24.27 | karsten | asg: ... and I'm not going any further with that comment. |
| 02:24.42 | asg | karsten: lest the inflatable goat come out once again eh? :) |
| 02:24.53 | karsten | Bah! |
| 02:24.58 | karsten | Or is it baaah! |
| 02:25.10 | piztek | the gnome windows task list doesn't appear to be centered top to bottom |
| 02:25.11 | asg | contextually, either works |
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| 02:27.34 | seriouslycgi | help help! my debian etch net install image isnt working ( i know its broken from updating key ) so now i dont know which version i should get... do i get etch rc4.0 or do i get testing weekly builds? |
| 02:28.02 | Guerin | seriouslycgi: get etch |
| 02:28.06 | asg | seriouslycgi: etch. weekly builds are no longer etch |
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| 02:29.17 | seriouslycgi | help help! my debian etch net install image isnt working ( i know its broken from updating key ) so now i dont know which version i should get... do i get etch rc4.0 or do i get testing weekly builds? |
| 02:29.18 | seriouslycgi | help help! my debian etch net install image isnt working ( i know its broken from updating key ) so now i dont know which version i should get... do i get etch rc4.0 or do i get testing weekly builds? |
| 02:29.25 | seriouslycgi | whoops sorry |
| 02:29.47 | dondelelcaro | seriouslycgi: eh? the etch netinst should still work fine. What's the error you're getting? |
| 02:29.56 | Guerin | seriouslycgi: you are beginning to confirm my hypothesis about woosh customers |
| 02:30.06 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're talking about an unreleased version of the netinst installer) |
| 02:30.11 | karsten | Does 'last' read compressed wtmp files? |
| 02:30.16 | seriouslycgi | it says on the net install download page that older version would be broken |
| 02:30.26 | asg | karsten: easy way to find out |
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| 02:30.38 | seriouslycgi | it goes to connect to the server to download the base install and it dies |
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| 02:30.55 | asg | karsten: heh, it does but not very well |
| 02:30.57 | o2T7 | hi |
| 02:30.59 | seriouslycgi | whats that Guerin |
| 02:31.04 | asg | karsten: **7*_*** ****o-*f*,** ***u**n********* Wed Jul 15 22:03 gone - no logout |
| 02:31.12 | dondelelcaro | seriouslycgi: which netinst are you using? the ones from: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ ? |
| 02:31.15 | karsten | asg: Yeah, have to unpack 'em. |
| 02:31.20 | karsten | asg: s/unpack/unzip/ |
| 02:31.23 | Guerin | seriouslycgi: that anyone who buys $400 worth of modem to get fairly crappy wireless service is a tool ;) |
| 02:31.24 | o2T7 | just wanted to know the command for searching a packet knowing a command |
| 02:31.24 | Snake[Work] | How do you guys think debian would run on a 266mhz w/ 256 mb RAM server? |
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| 02:31.36 | dondelelcaro | Snake[Work]: no problem |
| 02:31.37 | asg | karsten: or gunzip |
| 02:31.38 | o2T7 | More specifically the one containing Xgl |
| 02:31.50 | seriouslycgi | Guerin im using wired network |
| 02:31.53 | Guerin | seriouslycgi: hell yeah. You can probably saturate ethernet over that |
| 02:31.53 | o2T7 | bash: Xgl: command not found |
| 02:31.54 | Arafangion | Snake[Work]: If you gave me that, it'd upgrade one of my debian boxes. |
| 02:31.58 | seriouslycgi | i didnt pay a cent |
| 02:32.01 | Guerin | seriouslycgi: oh, they do wired as well now? |
| 02:32.05 | Arafangion | Snake[Work]: Twice as good on both counts, actually. ;) |
| 02:32.06 | Snake[Work] | dondelelcaro: even with a GUI? I Plan to put Xfce on it, but will I be able to boot to install? |
| 02:32.07 | asg | karsten: you would easily write a zlast wrapper to do the nasty for you |
| 02:32.22 | dondelelcaro | Snake[Work]: uh... servers don't need GUIs, but yes, it'll even run X. |
| 02:32.23 | Snake[Work] | I know the installer is in gnome, correct? |
| 02:32.28 | seriouslycgi | dondelelcaro: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2007/20070210 |
| 02:32.31 | dondelelcaro | Snake[Work]: and no, the installer is not. |
| 02:32.33 | Snake[Work] | dondelelcaro: Im going to, I plan to use utorrent ;) |
| 02:32.39 | Guerin | seriouslycgi: i ran kde on a p2-233 with 256 as my main box for ~18 months |
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| 02:32.41 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:32.50 | dondelelcaro | Snake[Work]: ugh. use rtorrent instead |
| 02:32.53 | Guerin | Snake[Work]: plenty of power |
| 02:32.56 | karsten | asg: It'd need a tempfile. last won't read stdin. |
| 02:33.15 | Snake[Work] | Its either going to be XP Stripped, Feisty (which is laggin to hell right now), or debian w/ xfce |
| 02:33.17 | asg | karsten: yeah, sad that. Granted, wtmp is not something that gets large so no biggie |
| 02:33.18 | karsten | asg: zcat wtmp.1.gz | last -f /dev/stdin reboot: last: seek failed! |
| 02:33.20 | dondelelcaro | seriouslycgi: that's the unreleased etch netinst images. If you're using the versions that were actually released, they'll be fine. |
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| 02:33.25 | Snake[Work] | how hard is fuse to get runnin on deb4? |
| 02:33.38 | Arafangion | Snake[Work]: "deb4"? |
| 02:33.42 | Snake[Work] | debian 4 |
| 02:33.49 | seriouslycgi | ok maybe the cd is scratched then thanks dondel |
| 02:33.49 | asg | Snake[Work]: basically, m-a a-i fuse |
| 02:33.52 | seriouslycgi | ok maybe the cd is scratched then thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 02:33.58 | Arafangion | Snake[Work]: Which one is that? |
| 02:33.59 | karsten | asg: Unlike, say, lastlog... |
| 02:34.01 | Guerin | Snake[Work]: debian with rtorrent - I used to run a torrent distribution hub on a p3-450 with 384MB or fam, doing 100G per day outbound - while playing medioa and running a desktop |
| 02:34.06 | karsten | asg: /var/log]$ ll -h lastlog: -r-------- 1 root root 1.1T Jun 1 19:33 lastlog |
| 02:34.29 | Snake[Work] | I havnt tried rtorrent, to be honest, but ill check it out |
| 02:34.35 | seriouslycgi | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 02:34.40 | karsten | asg: sparse file, NSF, NIS, 64 bit systems, user "nobody". |
| 02:34.50 | karsten | asg: The file indexes user by file offset. |
| 02:34.54 | Snake[Work] | Arafangion: the most recent |
| 02:34.55 | Guerin | the most industrial-strength torrent client - bar none |
| 02:35.03 | Arafangion | Snake[Work]: Etch? |
| 02:35.07 | Guerin | just make sure you use a kernel either newer than .20 or older than .18 |
| 02:35.08 | karsten | asg: First time I saw that 1 TB file sitting there I'm like all WTF? Ponies! |
| 02:35.20 | asg | karsten: hehe |
| 02:35.22 | Snake[Work] | Arafangion: I have no idea man, all I see is "Debian 4.0 is the most recent stable release" |
| 02:35.23 | o2T7 | Please, what should I install for having 'Xgl' command? |
| 02:35.24 | alaya | Guerin: better than btlaunchmanycurses? |
| 02:35.43 | Arafangion | Snake[Work]: Well, I should go get on with my over-due uni assignment. :) G'luck. :) |
| 02:36.04 | Snake[Work] | So again, how hard is it to get fuse runnin in debian stable? |
| 02:36.19 | Guerin | alaya: svereal orders of magnitude less ram - I was serving a ~20G pool on a box with 384MB, at around 2 megabytes per second for nine months |
| 02:36.29 | Guerin | alaya: so yeah - way, way better |
| 02:37.04 | karsten | o2T7: That should be part of your xorg server. |
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| 02:37.20 | dondelelcaro | !tell o2T7 -about search |
| 02:37.22 | asg | karsten: see you later, time for a bit of sleep |
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| 02:38.44 | o2T7 | ty dondelelcaro |
| 02:39.06 | o2T7 | karsten: I get bash: Xgl: command not found |
| 02:39.13 | karsten | asg: yeah, time to swim. |
| 02:39.22 | karsten | o2T7: Xgl is an X driver, not a command, no? |
| 02:39.23 | o2T7 | Got nvidia debian packages' driver working |
| 02:39.28 | karsten | !tell o2T7 about search |
| 02:39.47 | o2T7 | but I have Direct rendering: no in my glxinfo |
| 02:39.59 | amphi | karsten: no, it's an x server itself, I believe |
| 02:40.38 | karsten | !Xgl |
| 02:40.39 | dpkg | i heard xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 02:41.30 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: Xgl =~ s#check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or a# A# |
| 02:41.31 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 02:41.33 | jeffwheeler | o2T7: you probably want to use AIGLX in combination with Beryl or Compiz; that's generally the ideal setup |
| 02:42.05 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: Xgl =~ s#http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. ## |
| 02:42.06 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
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| 02:43.43 | felix | hello |
| 02:43.46 | felix | a question |
| 02:44.02 | karsten | !tell felix about ask |
| 02:44.07 | felix | is it possible to install Debian using wifi? |
| 02:44.12 | felix | karsten: too late :) |
| 02:44.13 | dondelelcaro | felix: yes. |
| 02:44.17 | karsten | felix: Probably. |
| 02:44.21 | felix | hmmm |
| 02:44.25 | felix | yes != probably |
| 02:44.29 | felix | dondelelcaro: how? |
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| 02:44.39 | felix | karsten: probably yes or probably not ? |
| 02:44.40 | dondelelcaro | felix: if you have a card that doesn't require firmware, like an orinoco, it just works. |
| 02:44.43 | jeffwheeler | felix: don't use the businesscard; download the full first CD, then install that |
| 02:44.49 | karsten | felix: Suggest you read the install docs. The question is whether or not your wifi card is supported by the install media. |
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| 02:45.29 | karsten | felix: Booting a recent Knoppix and doing a chroot install (see the install manual, appendix), is a usual safe bet. |
| 02:45.29 | jeffwheeler | The Debian installation doesn't _require_ a internet connection; you can install it from the CDs. |
| 02:45.29 | karsten | felix: Probably means probably yes, with supported HW. |
| 02:45.44 | felix | I know, but I usually installed Debian from the minimal cd |
| 02:46.04 | felix | Now I'm running Ubuntu, but I want to uninstall it. |
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| 02:47.28 | felix | karsten: My card is supported in the lastest kernel version. |
| 02:47.49 | o2T7 | Perhaps I don't need xgl for direct rendering? |
| 02:48.01 | o2T7 | I don't want to use beryl, just direct rendering |
| 02:49.08 | dondelelcaro | felix: it may be supported, but it probably requires firmware to work; we don't include non-DFSG free firmware on the installation media. |
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| 02:49.24 | hunshad | heyhey |
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| 02:50.29 | felix | dondelelcaro: however I can install Debian using the 1st. CD and then try to make it works :-) |
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| 02:52.21 | o2T7 | Is not possible that I have no opengl installed? |
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| 02:54.50 | teksimian | which package will contain the gtk2.0 development headers? I installed libgtk-dev but this didnt seem to do the trick. |
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| 02:55.35 | andy__ | i've got this going on in my /boot directory "ls -l /boot/initrd.img |
| 02:55.37 | andy__ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2007-06-01 19:06 /boot/initrd.img -> initrd.img-2.6.21-1-amd64" |
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| 02:56.07 | andy__ | this makes it so update-grub configures two kernels to for booting |
| 02:56.15 | andy__ | but they are exactly the same kernel |
| 02:56.26 | andy__ | does anyone know what package is creating the symlink? |
| 02:56.51 | trouble | what should i use for a usb mouse out of the choices in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg - /dev/input/mice give erratic control and gpm/data gives an error |
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| 03:00.08 | trouble | any ideas |
| 03:00.36 | andy__ | trouble: i've always used /dev/input/mice without issue |
| 03:00.51 | trouble | will try again |
| 03:00.57 | andy__ | i'm just throwing ideas out, but maybe the mouse is no good? |
| 03:00.59 | Arafangion | trouble: Likewise - but I don't use gdm. |
| 03:01.13 | o2T7 | trouble: probably it is because you specified a wrong mouse type |
| 03:01.25 | trouble | mouse was ok in windows - but it is a microsoft mouse |
| 03:01.44 | o2T7 | Perhaps Im/ps2 or something |
| 03:01.59 | andy__ | can i see your xorg.conf? |
| 03:02.17 | trouble | whenever i specify input/dev/mice all that comes up are choices for ps2 |
| 03:02.21 | o2T7 | ImPS/2 * |
| 03:02.23 | trouble | sure you can |
| 03:02.48 | trouble | if i can figure out how to copy it over here via the network and pastebin it |
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| 03:05.25 | trouble | damn the network card isnt even up |
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| 03:08.51 | tbbw | heh... another sleepless night trying to get the zd1211 driver to work :/ |
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| 03:14.59 | nvz | so if the mplayermoz-plugin says that since version 3.30 it can emulate divx webplayer and I have 3.40 from debian-multimedia.org, why doesnt support for it show up in about:plugins? or how can I add something in there? |
| 03:15.49 | nvz | I know the mplayer plugin can play divx I just don't know how to make iceweasel use it for the plugin for video/divx |
| 03:16.33 | nvz | video/divx is defined in /etc/mplayerplug-in.types |
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| 03:18.15 | nvz | surely there is some way to manually add a type in iceweasel, neither in the preference or the about:plugins where it shows them does it say anything about adding |
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| 03:34.43 | cwheeler | how can i find out what package Intrinsic.h is in? |
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| 03:36.16 | alaya | cwheeler: dpkg -S <full path to file> |
| 03:36.31 | alaya | or install apt-file and do a search |
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| 03:38.40 | chupie | is there a program/browser plugin or something to download every file from a webpage? i mean there is a site w/ a bunch of .zip files i need, but i'm too lazy and there are too many click on every single link to download them.. |
| 03:39.46 | amphi | chupie: wget |
| 03:40.18 | chupie | k, im assuming then there is a switch to download everything |
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| 03:41.13 | cwheeler | thanks alaya |
| 03:41.13 | dreammer_ | can any one point me to a place that explains gpg keys? |
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| 03:41.26 | cwheeler | will that work if it's not installed? i need to install it |
| 03:41.30 | scx | *miau |
| 03:41.57 | amphi | cwheeler: if it's not installed, you can use apt-file |
| 03:42.01 | dreammer_ | i'm getting the "signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available" GPG error... |
| 03:42.40 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 03:43.09 | amphi | !tell dreammer_ about pubic key |
| 03:43.18 | amphi | er |
| 03:43.23 | amphi | !tell dreammer_ about public key |
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| 03:43.51 | Deepa | Anyone else want to know about the pubic key? |
| 03:44.02 | cast | lol. |
| 03:44.48 | cafuego | Not yours, no. |
| 03:44.53 | Rusty1 | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/82 << dreammer_ |
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| 03:50.17 | dreammer_ | gpg is still a blurr to me... i understand the idea behind the key--- but the update process seems totally separated from the package update set-up |
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| 03:51.33 | cwheeler | what package is X11/Intrinsic.h in? |
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| 03:55.44 | dreammer_ | cwheeler: did you try --- http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
| 03:56.24 | cwheeler | thanks i've lost all my clues temporarily |
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| 03:57.50 | cwheeler | thanks dreammer_ that's what i needed |
| 03:58.14 | dreammer_ | cwheeler :) you happen to know anything about updating gpg keys? |
| 03:58.40 | cwheeler | updating them how? |
| 03:58.45 | dreammer_ | or where to find the most recent set of keys |
| 03:58.52 | cwheeler | i just load them into the keyring |
| 03:59.05 | cwheeler | there's a package of the debian gpg keys |
| 03:59.11 | cwheeler | just install/update that |
| 03:59.44 | cwheeler | some sites with out of the mainstream packages have thier own key package |
| 03:59.49 | dreammer_ | i installed that... |
| 04:00.00 | dreammer_ | but it doesn't seem to fix the problem |
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| 04:00.11 | Azio | :> |
| 04:00.25 | cwheeler | does it say which key is missing? |
| 04:00.31 | Azio | etch still wants to remove kernels every now and then.. |
| 04:00.36 | Azio | :( |
| 04:00.55 | Azio | I don't spose theres anyway to stop it from being a bad monkey like that |
| 04:01.07 | dreammer_ | NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 04:01.48 | cwheeler | Azio set the kernel to "held back" i think it's called with apt then it won't be updated |
| 04:02.07 | cwheeler | where do you get that message dreammer_ ? |
| 04:02.26 | dreammer_ | from 'apt-get update' |
| 04:02.31 | Bogus8 | what is the app to get to the radeon driver util... or is there nothing like that (I've only used nvidia before) |
| 04:03.01 | cwheeler | did you try google? |
| 04:03.08 | cwheeler | oh what site is it for? |
| 04:03.21 | tbbw | anyone here compiled the zd1211rw module ? |
| 04:03.22 | dreammer_ | yeah... i tried google-- and it got me more confused than i was |
| 04:03.33 | cwheeler | should be a line telling you the package repository just before the error |
| 04:03.34 | dreammer_ | i did manage to add one key |
| 04:03.45 | cwheeler | get the package for that site's key and add it |
| 04:03.59 | dreammer_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/11/msg00064.html <--- based on what was here |
| 04:04.20 | cwheeler | looking |
| 04:04.47 | dreammer_ | this site suggests executing a gpg command... http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6180 |
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| 04:05.26 | cwheeler | looks to me like you need to get a key |
| 04:05.31 | dreammer_ | it sort of makes sense to me... but i don't know what the debian key server would be |
| 04:05.35 | cwheeler | the ones i've installed came in packages |
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| 04:05.52 | cwheeler | it's in a .deb package at least all the debian keys i installed are |
| 04:05.59 | dreammer_ | i did have my computer hook up to the internet for about a year... |
| 04:06.07 | dreammer_ | i think the keys are expired |
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| 04:06.22 | dreammer_ | and my computer is probably vulerable... 'cause i haven't managed to update |
| 04:06.50 | cwheeler | go to the ftp site and get the key package then |
| 04:07.11 | cwheeler | didn't your computer get lonely not being on the net? |
| 04:07.17 | cwheeler | mine does |
| 04:07.22 | dreammer_ | it did... |
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| 04:08.10 | bpun | hi folks |
| 04:08.43 | newdebusr1 | does anyone know how to add lilo to the mbr of a sata hard drive /dev/sda when booting up from a livecd? |
| 04:09.09 | dreammer_ | cwheeler what ftp site you thinking of? |
| 04:09.28 | cwheeler | ftp.debian.org |
| 04:09.44 | cwheeler | the main package site, just get a new package of keys |
| 04:10.05 | bpun | isn't grub the default boot loader now? |
| 04:11.19 | bpun | asg, hey dude, wondering if you are there, about the nslu2, if i can run squid without needed an external drive.. |
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| 04:19.37 | *** topic/#debian is ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testing! | /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 04:20.15 | nvz | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
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| 04:21.26 | dreammer_ | nvz.... i still get the same error |
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| 04:23.17 | cwheeler | using dpkg -i ... |
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| 04:23.39 | dniel | i have a 512 ram. How long is the swap¿ |
| 04:25.00 | cast | as long as you want |
| 04:26.58 | cwheeler | right the more programs you want to run the more swap you need |
| 04:27.23 | cwheeler | i'd have at least 1 gig, i don't like to loose state |
| 04:27.43 | cwheeler | better too much swap than too little things get real ugly when you run out of virtual memory |
| 04:27.47 | dreammer_ | you are 'rsync' installed? |
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| 04:28.27 | dniel | i want to runberyl |
| 04:29.17 | Deepa | r00tintheb0x: got root? |
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| 04:29.34 | r00tintheb0x | of course. |
| 04:29.37 | r00tintheb0x | MUCH root |
| 04:30.10 | cwheeler | i tried to run beryl |
| 04:31.22 | cast | hmm, i got the nv driver working with xen fine. didn't have to patch anything so i'm assuming i got 2d acceleration :) |
| 04:32.02 | dreammer_ | arrgh... i'm going in circles |
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| 04:33.28 | dreammer_ | i think rsync is doing something tho... |
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| 04:37.10 | dreammer_ | how big is the debian keyring? |
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| 04:38.17 | cast | aptitude show debian-keyring |
| 04:38.20 | cast | Uncompressed Size: 14.9M |
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| 04:44.21 | dreammer_ | gaaa... don't get it |
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| 04:46.54 | bpun | dniel, *2 the ram, 1024, it's okay to use more like 2048 if you are a power user like me.. |
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| 04:47.50 | cast | or zero if you're me :). i'd go with 256mb though |
| 04:48.24 | eitan | How do I get cups to print in 1200dpi with an HPLJ 2200d? So far it only seems to be able to do 300dpi and 600dpi. |
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| 04:50.08 | cast | bpun: how much swap are you using? |
| 04:50.17 | eitan | Hello? |
| 04:50.24 | cast | eitan: hello. |
| 04:50.40 | bpun | cast, well i have a gig ram, so i'm using 2048 |
| 04:51.07 | cast | bpun: i mean how much is used in `free -m` |
| 04:51.08 | bpun | cast, mkswap |
| 04:51.30 | bpun | cast, it's dniel who was asking, he quit the chan.. |
| 04:51.58 | eitan | cast: Hello. Can you help with my printing problem? |
| 04:52.15 | r00tintheb0x | w00tz0rl33t |
| 04:52.21 | cast | bpun: but my question is of your 2048mb allocated to swap how much of it is being used? |
| 04:52.47 | cast | eitan: nah, don't know anything about cups. there might be a #cups though |
| 04:52.59 | bpun | cast, ? |
| 04:53.07 | bpun | cast, you want to use my swap? |
| 04:53.43 | cast | bpun: i mean do this: /exec -o free -m|grep Swap|tail -n1 |
| 04:53.58 | bpun | cast, do this->type rm -rf / |
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| 04:54.46 | cast | i suppose you're just trying to be difficult :\ |
| 04:55.55 | bpun | cast, I think you should fix your problems first then ask questions |
| 04:55.55 | cast | what are my problems? |
| 04:56.02 | bpun | cast, don't assume things |
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| 04:56.21 | cast | like? |
| 04:56.38 | bpun | "hmm, i got the nv driver working with xen fine. didn't have to patch anything so i'm assuming i got 2d acceleration" |
| 04:57.33 | cast | oh. yes, xen is going fine with nv in xorg. :) i can't see any issues, neither can mum and its her computer so no problem :) |
| 04:57.42 | bpun | ^^cast fears no assumption, i believe the word assuming is relevant |
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| 04:58.44 | bpun | cast, fix your problems, then talk |
| 04:58.57 | bpun | cast, xen has nothing to do with xorg |
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| 04:59.50 | cast | i'm really confused. what is my problem? |
| 04:59.52 | piztek | does anyone use any cli torrent programs? |
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| 05:00.29 | cast | piztek: rtorrent is popular, i use bittorrent |
| 05:00.35 | bpun | cast, you talk too much, you really don't have a clue on things, drop to console and read up about it.. you're pretty much writing to a bot |
| 05:00.49 | piztek | cast, do you use it as cli? |
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| 05:02.24 | cast | bpun: sure, if you tell me where i'm lacking i'll gladly read up on it :) seeing as i wanted xorg running on a system with xen i was concerned if nv worked, because nvidia doesn't without patching |
| 05:02.52 | bpun | !tell cast about xen |
| 05:03.08 | cast | i am aware as to what xen is. |
| 05:03.10 | bpun | !tell cast about xorg |
| 05:03.14 | bpun | !tell cast about nv |
| 05:03.45 | cast | i'm beginning to think you're trolling me :\ |
| 05:03.52 | cast | piztek: yes. |
| 05:04.04 | piztek | cast, tell me how to use it. |
| 05:04.43 | piztek | please? |
| 05:05.01 | cast | piztek: btdownloadcurses xm3.torrent, read the manpage for details like limiting |
| 05:05.26 | piztek | how do i run it in terminal |
| 05:05.40 | dreammer_ | i found the fix to my problem... here: http://www.andreaswacker.com/blog/2007/02/ |
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| 05:07.11 | struct | cast: what kind of cpu you running xen on? |
| 05:07.22 | dreammer_ | thanx to all those that gave hints :) |
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| 05:08.41 | cast | struct: k7 |
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| 05:10.04 | struct | cast: that doesnt have amd virtualization I dont think |
| 05:10.32 | cast | struct: no, it does not. my X2 desktop does :) |
| 05:10.40 | struct | cast: otherwise you could use kvm in the linux kernel and qemu for virtualization |
| 05:10.50 | struct | cast: ah |
| 05:10.56 | struct | cast: have you tried kvm and qemu? |
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| 05:11.34 | cast | nah, that came in...2.6.19 [maybe? >.18 anyway]? i'm still using etchs stock kernel |
| 05:11.55 | cast | i will try kvm eventually though |
| 05:12.48 | struct | cast: you can compile 2.6.21 to try it |
| 05:13.59 | eitan | How do I get cups to print in 1200dpi with an HPLJ 2200d? So far it only seems to be able to do 300dpi and 600dpi. |
| 05:14.25 | PingFloyd | eitan: try checking linuxprinting.org for tips |
| 05:15.06 | rvalles | struct: I sure prefer Xen over kvm for serious stuff (permament vms) |
| 05:15.17 | rvalles | *permanent |
| 05:15.21 | struct | rvalles: why? |
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| 05:16.20 | rvalles | struct: I like its administration tools, and the fact it's on the top and vms are equal instead of vms being just processes on the "dom0"-ish kvm-enabled kernel |
| 05:16.32 | Zap-W | anyone know a tool for displaying like a message of the day in xfce? |
| 05:16.39 | gpm | xmotd |
| 05:16.45 | rvalles | struct: kvm is fine for, say, running windows on linux in a moment of need. |
| 05:17.19 | struct | rvalles: kvm is fine for more then that |
| 05:17.36 | rvalles | struct: whatever, but I won't replace the xen @ work with it |
| 05:18.13 | struct | rvalles: no one said you should |
| 05:20.43 | Zap-W | gpm, it displays the message or is just for editing? |
| 05:20.47 | Zap-W | the motd file |
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| 05:38.30 | rking | is there a command that searches packages' contents like p.d.o does? |
| 05:38.46 | Deepa | apt-cache search? |
| 05:38.48 | karsten | rking: apt-file, auto-apt |
| 05:38.57 | Deepa | dpkg -s? |
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| 05:39.04 | karsten | Deepa: Just does package descriptions IIRC. |
| 05:39.20 | karsten | Deepa: dpkg only searches for installed packages. And it's '-S |
| 05:39.24 | rking | Deepa: apt-cache search just searches descriptions and metadata, not the files themselves, dpkg -S searches only within installed packages |
| 05:39.34 | rking | karsten: cool, thanks |
| 05:39.41 | karsten | !search |
| 05:39.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 05:39.42 | Deepa | Tired and spammy, I make mistakes today |
| 05:39.56 | karsten | Deepa: Live and learn... |
| 05:40.02 | karsten | Deepa: ... or alternatively, live and lose. |
| 05:40.15 | Deepa | 42h's of php coding took away my vision, my energy and my coffee :p |
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| 05:40.29 | rking | Deepa: yeah, umm... that's bad (42h/php) |
| 05:40.37 | Deepa | feeling "I just GOTTA finish this" isnt always positive |
| 05:41.00 | karsten | So what's the best way to connect to arbitrary wifi networks, successfully. I'm using dhclient which works about half the time. |
| 05:41.35 | karsten | kismet seems not to like my card unless I've tweaked it w/ dhclient. I've tried kwifimanager but it's sorta hit'n'miss as well. |
| 05:42.08 | karsten | Orinoco drivers. |
| 05:42.33 | Deepa | wlassistant |
| 05:42.42 | Deepa | That one I use |
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| 05:44.25 | karsten | wifi docs seem to be very old (HOWTO particularly at TLDP). |
| 05:46.10 | liable | why does using dhclient appease kismet? |
| 05:47.01 | karsten | Deepa: How do you run that? |
| 05:47.45 | Deepa | Using /usr/bin/wlassistant? |
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| 05:56.03 | valdyn | karsten: you are not associating manually? |
| 06:00.01 | lymeca_ | when I try and open an ogg file link at Wikipedia with the Iceweasel in sid: http://pastebin.ca/530708 |
| 06:00.16 | lymeca_ | completely crashes... |
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| 06:04.43 | piztek | is myth tv written for gnome? |
| 06:05.56 | lir1 | piztek: I doubt it. gnome is based on gtk while kde on qt. MythTV isn't written for any window manager in specific, but if it was I guess it would be fit more to KDE since it's based on the qt libraries. |
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| 06:06.42 | dondelelcaro | just use openbox or fluxbox or similar with mythtv; you'll be glad you did. |
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| 06:06.51 | dondelelcaro | kde or gnome is overkill and just a waste. |
| 06:07.26 | piztek | dondelelcaro, what do you use? |
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| 06:07.49 | dondelelcaro | piztek: on the ones that other people use I use openbox. On mine, I use ion3. |
| 06:08.16 | piztek | ion3? |
| 06:08.34 | piztek | interesting |
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| 06:09.56 | lir1 | true. I use fluxbox. |
| 06:11.32 | piztek | does anyone use zapping? |
| 06:12.11 | lymeca_ | dondelelcaro: ion3 is in non-free in sid |
| 06:12.14 | lymeca_ | Why? |
| 06:12.53 | valdyn | lymeca_: read the license? |
| 06:13.36 | dondelelcaro | lymeca_: because the upstream has gone insane |
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| 06:14.38 | tanlaan | How do you format a floppy disk from the console? |
| 06:16.14 | valdyn | tanlaan: your floppies dont come preformatted? |
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| 06:16.43 | piztek | wow |
| 06:16.51 | piztek | how do i change channels with zapping |
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| 06:19.07 | asarch | My conection problem is fixed |
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| 06:20.55 | dondelelcaro | tanlaan: usually with super-format and possibly mkfs or similar; |
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| 06:25.38 | tanlaan | valdyn No, I mean to wipe my floppies clean. |
| 06:25.39 | valdyn | tanlaan: fdformat, mformat, superformat |
| 06:25.50 | valdyn | tanlaan: or just 'cat /dev/zero > /dev/fd0' just whipes, doesnt format |
| 06:26.49 | g00se | Heard a rumour that there was a Sarge->Etch upgrade path in Etch installer. Didn't see much evidence of it during a dry run..? |
| 06:26.51 | tanlaan | How can I tell what speed my CPU is? |
| 06:27.13 | valdyn | g00se: that doesnt really make sense |
| 06:27.29 | g00se | valdyn: in what way? |
| 06:27.40 | valdyn | g00se: the installer is pointless for upgrading |
| 06:27.59 | valdyn | !sarge->etch |
| 06:27.59 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 06:28.47 | g00se | Well i kinda see what you mean, but it's because of 'sarge->etch is no longer as simple as' that i was using the installer |
| 06:29.07 | valdyn | g00se: maybe you should have read the docs |
| 06:29.15 | valdyn | g00se: its not much harder either |
| 06:29.23 | g00se | I thought i did ;-) |
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| 06:31.33 | valdyn | g00se: its not because sarge->etch is 'no longer as simple' its because upgrading from the installer would add alot of pointless complexity to the installer that no one would see a point implementing |
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| 06:32.48 | g00se | True, but what about X -> XOrg - does that get 'done'? |
| 06:33.07 | Arafangion | g00se: The idea of an upgrade is not to break things. |
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| 06:34.13 | valdyn | g00se: everything gets done, read the docs for the exceptions, like the 2.4->2.6 kernel migration. |
| 06:34.49 | scx | Arafangion: it's not the idea but is intrinsic |
| 06:35.59 | g00se | OK. So if i have 'stable' in sources.list and have run apt-get update, then i'm now using XOrg?? |
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| 06:36.19 | g00se | (I'm reading http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ap-old-stuff.en.html#s-old-sources ) |
| 06:36.51 | valdyn | g00se: no. Read the apt-get manpage |
| 06:38.06 | g00se | I thought not. Hence the thought of using the installer |
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| 06:39.17 | valdyn | g00se: im not sure what you are being stuck with. Upgrading in debian is as easy as nowhere else. Using a reinstall to upgrade seems very backwards. |
| 06:40.27 | g00se | Well yes but upgrading effectively means being pinned at XFree86 does it not? |
| 06:40.34 | valdyn | g00se: no |
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| 06:42.12 | g00se | How is the X transition made then without explicitly installing XOrg? |
| 06:42.19 | Arafangion | g00se: It will upgrade XFree86, if a newer version is available. |
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| 06:42.39 | Arafangion | g00se: However, there is this completely separated forked copy that has become more popular and is being maintained more often called XOrg. |
| 06:42.46 | Arafangion | g00se: You may install that one instead, if you want. |
| 06:42.56 | valdyn | uh |
| 06:43.02 | Arafangion | valdyn: Close enough? |
| 06:43.09 | valdyn | Arafangion: noi |
| 06:43.10 | valdyn | Arafangion: no |
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| 06:43.32 | valdyn | Arafangion: you're right about xorg, but that is in debian, a new version of XFree86 too |
| 06:43.42 | Arafangion | valdyn: Ahh, nice. |
| 06:44.26 | valdyn | g00se: there's transitional packages. That's be no means a new or unique procduere in debian, its in every new release that a package goes thru a transition like that |
| 06:45.14 | valdyn | g00se: transitional packages have only 1 purpose: Enabling transparent upgrades |
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| 06:45.40 | g00se | OK. Let's take a different tack: i forgot to edit sources.list and left 'stable' in. valdyn - you may be able to guess what i'm going to say next |
| 06:47.51 | seth1248 | What do I need to do to use gparted with ntfs? |
| 06:47.51 | fire- | Hi. I have added alias foo off for net-pf10 and ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/00local but ip -a still shows IPv6 addresses after a reboot. Any suggestions? |
| 06:47.51 | g00se | 'If any of the lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list refer to 'stable', you are effectively already "using" etch.' |
| 06:47.51 | valdyn | g00se: if you only ran 'apt-get update' then you're still on sarge with no new packages installed. All needed to stick to sarge is to edit /etc/apt/sources.list replacing stable with sarge |
| 06:47.52 | valdyn | g00se: if you ran apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade though, you are at least partway thru an upgrade |
| 06:47.52 | g00se | Ran sudo apt-get -u upgrade |
| 06:47.54 | valdyn | g00se: that's a stupid expression in the manual. It needs to say something like " You now have etch package sources " |
| 06:48.05 | valdyn | ( source as where it comes from, not source code ) |
| 06:48.08 | g00se | It really confused me |
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| 06:50.27 | seth1248 | Can anyone tell me what I need to do to use gparted with ntfs? |
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| 06:51.51 | psyco-obiwan | what are possible alternative packages to kismet in etch ? thx for any tips |
| 06:51.52 | g00se | So now when i run that command i get a massive list of packages kept back. Maybe i should revert to Sarge as per docs? |
| 06:52.13 | Deepa | kismet are drivers? |
| 06:52.40 | psyco-obiwan | Deepa: sorry ? |
| 06:53.10 | Deepa | ow a monitoring-tool |
| 06:53.35 | psyco-obiwan | i just need to scan for available networks, not necessarily dump |
| 06:53.55 | liable | iwlist scan |
| 06:54.21 | liable | g00se: you need to dist-upgrade, i suggest you follow the release notes step by step |
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| 06:55.21 | psyco-obiwan | liable: thx, didn't know that...however i see only the network i am attached too but not anything else which i know should be here |
| 06:55.39 | g00se | liable: OK but then we're back to the issue i mentioned before - how would dist-upgrade do XFree->XOrg? |
| 06:56.06 | liable | g00se: you dont need to worry, it foes it all for you |
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| 06:56.33 | g00se | Really. It will take the XFree config and make an XOrg one? |
| 06:56.53 | liable | yes |
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| 06:57.24 | liable | psyco-obiwan: i am not sure the card will change channels to scan when you are associated |
| 06:57.27 | g00se | Excellent. What about a kernel upgrade? |
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| 06:57.42 | liable | psyco-obiwan: hrm, actually, it should |
| 06:57.51 | liable | g00se: its all in the release notes |
| 06:58.02 | g00se | OK liable, thanks |
| 06:58.03 | scx | heh, I went to an Interet lounge and the computers had OpenOffice installed (which is not new here) but it was labeled as: 'Linux Word' 'Linux Excel' etc. |
| 06:58.05 | psyco-obiwan | liable: ok, thx i go read up the rest, that got me started, i have other cards to test, maybe this orinoco is way to old |
| 06:58.12 | g00se | (And valdyn ;-)) |
| 06:58.27 | scx | didin't know wheter to slap 'em or not |
| 06:58.40 | liable | scx: thats good, bit of advertising :) |
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| 07:07.29 | g00se | liable: can i use the -s param with dist-upgrade? |
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| 07:08.55 | hark | for a dry run, yes... |
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| 07:15.30 | piztek | the panel isn't hiding after checking autohide in preferences |
| 07:15.35 | piztek | how can I fix this? |
| 07:16.00 | scx | piztek: What pannel? |
| 07:16.07 | scx | Gnome KDE Fluxbox... |
| 07:16.08 | piztek | scx, top panel |
| 07:16.10 | piztek | gnome |
| 07:17.01 | piztek | i'll try logging out |
| 07:17.17 | piztek | but i'm in the middle of a download that i've stopped too many times now |
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| 07:17.20 | mateuszk | Hi |
| 07:17.25 | piztek | ni |
| 07:17.38 | piztek | hi* |
| 07:17.38 | mateuszk | when I open link in xchat or from other app it gets opened in lynx |
| 07:17.39 | mateuszk | why ? |
| 07:17.51 | mateuszk | i removed galeon but I still have iceweasle |
| 07:18.18 | mateuszk | heh alternatives says only lyn |
| 07:18.19 | mateuszk | ;/ |
| 07:18.24 | piztek | desktop, preferences, prefered applications |
| 07:18.32 | mateuszk | no its ok there |
| 07:18.32 | piztek | are you on gnome? |
| 07:18.34 | mateuszk | yes |
| 07:18.42 | mateuszk | but alternatives says its lynx |
| 07:18.46 | piztek | it says iceweasel there? |
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| 07:19.02 | piztek | well change alternatives? |
| 07:19.02 | mateuszk | piztek, yes |
| 07:19.13 | mateuszk | piztek, why they point to lynx ? |
| 07:19.20 | piztek | otherwise check the gconf string |
| 07:19.22 | mateuszk | piztek, and no other option available |
| 07:19.27 | mateuszk | ;/ |
| 07:19.28 | mateuszk | eh |
| 07:19.40 | piztek | let me see if i can find it |
| 07:20.06 | mateuszk | piztek, looks like iceweasle package didnt add its alternative or galeon removed all of them.. |
| 07:20.19 | mateuszk | piztek, but I think that iceweasle didnt |
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| 07:21.11 | piztek | well if that doesn't fix it, check in gconf-editor in /,desktop,gnome,applications,browser |
| 07:21.19 | mateuszk | ok |
| 07:21.51 | PingFloyd | change your x-www-browser alternative |
| 07:22.40 | mateuszk | PingFloyd, sorry its iceweasle already |
| 07:22.48 | mateuszk | PingFloyd, then I have no idea.. |
| 07:23.06 | mateuszk | if I open link in xchat it uses x-www-browser right ? |
| 07:23.19 | PingFloyd | oh in xchat |
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| 07:23.21 | PingFloyd | in that case ... |
| 07:23.23 | mateuszk | yes |
| 07:23.24 | hark | xchat has its own settings |
| 07:23.49 | mateuszk | but also blender opens pages in lynx ;/ |
| 07:23.49 | PingFloyd | Settings > Advanced > URL Handlers |
| 07:23.51 | PingFloyd | need to edit that |
| 07:23.55 | PingFloyd | in xchat |
| 07:24.12 | PingFloyd | need to change or create a new one |
| 07:24.16 | mateuszk | handlers are empty |
| 07:24.20 | PingFloyd | create one |
| 07:24.49 | PingFloyd | like !/usr/bin/iceweasel %s for example |
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| 07:25.07 | PingFloyd | or !/usr/bin/iceape -browser %s |
| 07:25.12 | PingFloyd | etc |
| 07:25.51 | PingFloyd | xchat handles all that internally |
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| 07:26.17 | mateuszk | the same problem |
| 07:26.29 | PingFloyd | which browser are you trying to have it launch? |
| 07:26.31 | DanC_lap | any suggestions on what to do when get-edid says "The EDID data should not be trusted as the VBE call failed"? |
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| 07:26.36 | mateuszk | iceweasle |
| 07:26.51 | mateuszk | iceweasel |
| 07:26.54 | piztek | check that gconf key |
| 07:27.14 | PingFloyd | it's starting up galeon instead? |
| 07:27.32 | mateuszk | PingFloyd, no I installed galeon but removed it now |
| 07:27.39 | mateuszk | and it starts lynx |
| 07:27.41 | mateuszk | ;/ |
| 07:28.25 | mateuszk | in gconf it epiphany |
| 07:28.26 | mateuszk | ;/ |
| 07:29.15 | PingFloyd | did you give the URL handler a name? |
| 07:29.30 | mateuszk | yes |
| 07:29.47 | PingFloyd | maybe double check the path and spelling for the command part |
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| 07:30.00 | mateuszk | PingFloyd, copied from irc |
| 07:30.26 | PingFloyd | there must be a ! in front |
| 07:30.26 | mateuszk | PingFloyd, it is |
| 07:30.26 | PingFloyd | and %s on the end |
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| 07:30.26 | daeos | im trying to enable XDMCP, using etch with xorg as my x server, and after following some instruction about enabling it, even dpkg suggests editing a file that does not exist on my box. For Gnome using xorg what file would i have to edit other than gdm.conf to enable XDMCP? And...once done that, what program would i use to connect from a windows machine, cygwin? |
| 07:30.30 | PingFloyd | but maybe try %u |
| 07:30.39 | mateuszk | PingFloyd, copied as piztek wrote |
| 07:30.53 | PingFloyd | check it with whereis |
| 07:31.33 | mateuszk | did it |
| 07:31.40 | piztek | brb |
| 07:31.42 | hark | mateuszk: what is x-www-browser set to? |
| 07:31.55 | mateuszk | hark, iceweasel correctly |
| 07:32.09 | mateuszk | in xchat when I use open with browser it opens with lynx |
| 07:32.10 | mateuszk | ;/ |
| 07:32.14 | mateuszk | and the same in blender |
| 07:32.25 | PingFloyd | those three areas are the only that I can think of (alternatives, gconf, and xchat setting) |
| 07:32.53 | mateuszk | but now in xchat new menu item apeard Ice.. (because of url handler) but it just opens blank page in iceweasel |
| 07:33.08 | PingFloyd | my blender changed when I changed the alternatives |
| 07:33.24 | mateuszk | yes |
| 07:33.42 | mateuszk | but does it use www-browser or x-www-browser ? |
| 07:33.53 | PingFloyd | x-www-browser iirc |
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| 07:34.02 | mateuszk | ;/ |
| 07:34.05 | PingFloyd | been awhile |
| 07:34.31 | cafuego | orly? |
| 07:34.32 | PingFloyd | heck, change 'em both :) |
| 07:34.38 | mateuszk | heh |
| 07:34.45 | mateuszk | I found whats wrong I think |
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| 07:35.13 | mateuszk | update-alternatives says that iceweasel is on.. however link points to galeon which doesnt exist ;/ |
| 07:35.25 | hark | both should respect x-www-browser |
| 07:36.03 | PingFloyd | mateuszk: like in /usr/bin or in /etc/alternatives? |
| 07:36.05 | mateuszk | looks like galeon package is buggy |
| 07:36.20 | PingFloyd | s/like/link |
| 07:36.35 | mateuszk | in alternatives |
| 07:37.04 | mateuszk | update-alternatives printed out that its iceweasel default |
| 07:37.05 | PingFloyd | yeah, sounds like a bug in the package's scripts |
| 07:37.17 | mateuszk | but it was a link to not existing galeon |
| 07:37.42 | PingFloyd | because ideally, it should check for that and fix it instead of leaving it dangling afaik |
| 07:39.30 | PingFloyd | otoh, it wouldn't be the first to do that :) |
| 07:39.31 | xingu | alright, who kicked the cord out |
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| 07:39.51 | PingFloyd | anyway, you've got the right idea by checking how things are linking together when that sort of thing happens |
| 07:39.51 | Guerin | lymeca: please to be speaking teh englishes |
| 07:42.28 | lymeca | Guerin: Englishes reengaged. |
| 07:42.28 | Guerin | go-go gadget englishes! |
| 07:42.28 | PingFloyd | lymeca: you know good engrish? |
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| 07:42.28 | daeos | Guerin: every tried to get XDMCP to work on deb? |
| 07:42.29 | daeos | ever* |
| 07:42.29 | cast | if anyones used the d-i encrypted LVM option, does it create two partitions, one for /boot [hda1] and one encrypted LUKS partition [hda2] and then set the encrypted LUKS partition [hda2_crypt] to be the PV for LVM? |
| 07:42.29 | pythonic | hi! why do i get "reenter password:" when tomcat starts at boot? |
| 07:42.29 | Arafangion | pythonic: I didn't realise we were the tomcat developers. |
| 07:42.29 | liable | Guerin: who was that domain registrar you mentioned a while back? |
| 07:42.47 | pythonic | Arafangion: it's not just tomcat. i've seen it for some other things too, but i can't remeber what. |
| 07:43.12 | pythonic | and startup scripts at boot are debian |
| 07:43.44 | daeos | how can i turn off xorg temporarily? |
| 07:43.58 | Arafangion | pythonic: The CPU that starts those are either AMD, or Intel. I suggest you ask them instead for their TomCat issues. |
| 07:44.21 | Guerin | liable: gandi.net? |
| 07:44.30 | Guerin | daeos: yep, works fabulously |
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| 07:45.00 | Guerin | pythonic: be sure what's asking for a password |
| 07:45.27 | pythonic | i just press enter and tomcat starts anyway :-/ |
| 07:45.47 | Guerin | sounds like someone is using tomcat without knowing what the fuck it's about |
| 07:45.52 | daeos | Guerin: seems that for etch and xorg i have to do something different than what i've seen so far on google.... one walkthrough says to edit the xdm config file, but there simply isn't one... so for etch, with xorg, what else other then enable XDMCP would i need to do? |
| 07:46.11 | Guerin | he's black and shiny and likes fish and sleeping in a basket on top of the bookshelf |
| 07:46.27 | gpm | fish? |
| 07:46.31 | Guerin | yes |
| 07:46.35 | gpm | ok |
| 07:46.37 | Guerin | he likes fish very much |
| 07:46.40 | Guerin | his name is Danger |
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| 07:46.51 | liable | cant say i've met a cat that doesnt |
| 07:46.53 | gpm | don't you think bonkers is the ultimate cat name? |
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| 07:46.59 | g00se | Is that because of the bones? |
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| 07:47.24 | liable | Guerin: i dont think it was that one, you use them? |
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| 07:48.01 | Guerin | liable: yes, I use gandi for all my domains, they're awesome. |
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| 07:48.42 | liable | ok, ta |
| 07:48.42 | xingu | Guerin: then they you laugh at them, and then they win? |
| 07:48.44 | Guerin | g00se: no. I had a black and white cat called Pirate; he used to catch fish at the river, and steal bones from the dog next door. Pirate is clearly the best cat name of all time. |
| 07:48.48 | xingu | s/you// |
| 07:48.53 | Guerin | xingu: heh |
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| 07:50.22 | simonrvn | esp. for that cat. damn, stick to the dog, eh |
| 07:50.29 | daeos | Guerin: could you give me some insight on my issue? |
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| 07:51.26 | wolvie | When I've replaced my broken eth card (eth0) the new one appeared as eth3. I've changed the interface name via 'ip l s name eth0 dev eth3'. Howto permanently change the interface name? |
| 07:51.50 | Guerin | daeos: i don't know what your issue is, but knowing what I do about xdmcp, i'd say it's probably a friewalling problem |
| 07:52.10 | simonrvn | friedwalling |
| 07:52.13 | cahoot | wolvie: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 07:52.24 | gpm | not /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 07:52.25 | g00se | Ctrl-Alt-Backspace will close X |
| 07:52.27 | simonrvn | new word =) |
| 07:52.31 | daeos | Guerin: im trying to enable XDMCP, using etch with xorg as my x server, and after following some instruction about enabling it, even dpkg suggests editing a file that does not exist on my box. For Gnome using xorg what file would i have to edit other than gdm.conf to enable XDMCP? And...once done that, what program would i use to connect from a windows machine, cygwin? << thats my issue. |
| 07:53.03 | daeos | Guerin: and im not directly at the main keyboard, im using ssh and vnc |
| 07:53.33 | daeos | so when remotly using the box, i assume shortcut keys will not turn off x |
| 07:53.45 | xingu | !pnr |
| 07:53.46 | dpkg | somebody said pnr was sticky network interface names are set in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules keyed by MAC address (for etherlike interfaces) and various other attributes |
| 07:53.50 | xingu | there. |
| 07:54.06 | Guerin | daeos: I used xdm, and it was a simple matter of editing the file. To connect, type X -query hostname, and the ?dm will appear on the x server screen |
| 07:54.14 | gpm | ok ok |
| 07:54.17 | wolvie | cahoot, thanks |
| 07:54.24 | Guerin | i seem to recall kdm and gdm being overcomplex, while xdm was easy |
| 07:54.35 | gpm | they're not complex |
| 07:54.37 | daeos | Guerin: i agree with that point |
| 07:54.47 | daeos | with gdm there is only 1 switch |
| 07:54.59 | daeos | XDMCP = enable / disable |
| 07:55.17 | daeos | nothing about what port to use or wherei can put a 'listen = 177' |
| 07:55.23 | daeos | or 'port = 177' |
| 07:55.25 | simonrvn | talk about a bug, seen in clamav changelog.Debian: Fixes segfault in segfault handler (closes: #420593) |
| 07:55.43 | gpm | simonrvn: nice |
| 07:56.03 | simonrvn | that's just too damn funny |
| 07:56.25 | gpm | !developer |
| 07:56.25 | dpkg | hmm... developer is a closed circle, whose members contain the elite of the elite, the best of the best, so damn good they make the rest of us look like morons. It is very hard to become a developer at the moment. |
| 07:56.31 | Guerin | it does the ports automatically |
| 07:56.42 | daeos | hrm |
| 07:56.43 | Guerin | but if you have a firewall between host and client you're in for a world of hurt |
| 07:56.54 | daeos | Guerin: yes i do |
| 07:57.09 | Guerin | it uses 177 and some in the 6000 range |
| 07:57.14 | Guerin | i think assigned dynamically |
| 07:57.29 | daeos | Guerin: but i think that my 'firewall' will only need forwarding with outside traffic |
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| 07:57.35 | Guerin | X and NFS are the two worst things to firewall, bvecause they date back to a time before such technology was even used |
| 07:57.36 | daeos | im doing this within my local network |
| 07:57.40 | g00se | telinit 1 will get you out of X |
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| 07:57.58 | daeos | g00se: telinit 1 ? |
| 07:58.03 | simonrvn | starts at 6010 and opens a new one per new x server; the 10 is for X forwarding |
| 07:58.11 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 07:58.14 | g00se | Yes |
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| 07:58.25 | xingu | how presumptious of them, assuming an end to end network model |
| 07:58.26 | Guerin | so allowing 177 and 6010-6020 might just do it |
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| 07:58.32 | PingFloyd | did you check in the gdm.conf? |
| 07:58.36 | Guerin | xingu: i know, silly eh |
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| 07:59.28 | xingu | edge nodes connecting unmolested across a standards based transport? what were they thinking |
| 07:59.29 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:59.35 | Guerin | why would two arbitrary computers ever need to connect directly? |
| 07:59.37 | daeos | Guerin: ok, i'll look into that, i don't really plan more than 1 x server to be open |
| 07:59.52 | Guerin | i mean, it's like they thought the internet would be made up of PEERS or something! |
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| 08:00.09 | xingu | crazy fools those wright brothers, it'll never fly |
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| 08:00.33 | Guerin | whee, making roux while ircing is tricky |
| 08:00.33 | daeos | g00se: i don't understand what you mean by telinit 1 |
| 08:00.59 | g00se | Switch to runlevel 1 (no X) |
| 08:01.01 | xingu | Guerin: not when you've got an internet fridge |
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| 08:01.37 | simonrvn | g00se: only because it'll get sent a TERM then KILL if still running |
| 08:01.44 | xingu | Guerin: hell, with some clever ui design work and a few pie menu trees you could probably irc with a menu radius of no more than 6-7 or so |
| 08:02.16 | xingu | Guerin: especially if you're allowed to cheat by precanning the topN !-escapes. |
| 08:02.32 | simonrvn | debian doesn't split runlevels beyond 1, 2-5, and 6 |
| 08:02.46 | xingu | simonrvn: isn't 5 poweroff? |
| 08:02.53 | g00se | simonrvn: Yes. You think there's a better way to get out of it remotely? |
| 08:02.54 | Guerin | xingu: if you can design a fridge which makes roux while alolowing its owner to irc, you will be a millionaire |
| 08:03.08 | simonrvn | 0 is |
| 08:03.14 | Guerin | g00se: /etc/init.d/?dm stop? |
| 08:03.14 | simonrvn | no, wait |
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| 08:03.40 | Guerin | NEVER |
| 08:03.52 | xingu | dobbins? is that you in there? |
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| 08:04.12 | PingFloyd | telinit 1 should take you down to single user mode |
| 08:04.24 | g00se | Guerin: Yes, but won't that possibly leave some X still running? It'll certainly get you out of the desktop |
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| 08:04.28 | simonrvn | yeh i was right 0, for poweroff |
| 08:04.33 | xingu | PingFloyd: you probably mean S, not 1 |
| 08:04.56 | simonrvn | S and 1 are virtually interchangable |
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| 08:05.23 | xingu | simonrvn: only S runs sulogin from memory? |
| 08:05.36 | daeos | wow, that command you told me.... killed x and my ssh |
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| 08:05.46 | simonrvn | ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin |
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| 08:06.46 | Guerin | g00se: telinit 1 is a bit extreme for my taste, but I grant you that it will work. |
| 08:06.51 | g00se | Guerin's would've been better |
| 08:07.17 | daeos | g00se: i didn't catch his 'command' |
| 08:07.25 | simonrvn | "telinit 1" |
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| 08:07.45 | simonrvn | oh sorry, was confused, ignore that |
| 08:07.45 | PingFloyd | yeah, killing your dm is probably the most logical |
| 08:07.53 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.53 | daeos | simonrvn: thats the one that kicked me out |
| 08:08.08 | daeos | g00se: i should have done that init.d one |
| 08:08.09 | PingFloyd | if you merely just want to keep the xserver from starting over and over |
| 08:08.12 | xingu | given that telinit is a symlink to init, probably "init 1" is better-fu too. |
| 08:08.16 | g00se | OK daeos you need telinit 5 now |
| 08:08.24 | daeos | ha |
| 08:08.29 | simonrvn | g00se: doesn't work that way |
| 08:08.31 | daeos | no keyboard |
| 08:08.39 | g00se | THen /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 08:08.43 | daeos | .... |
| 08:08.48 | daeos | i can't remote into it anymore |
| 08:08.57 | daeos | im on a cygwin program now |
| 08:09.05 | simonrvn | it' in runlevel 1, just basic stuff is running |
| 08:09.06 | simonrvn | s |
| 08:09.15 | daeos | hrm.. prehaps i'll just reboot the damn thing |
| 08:09.24 | daeos | manually |
| 08:09.31 | daeos | since i can't do anything to it now |
| 08:09.41 | simonrvn | that's why people often put sshd in inittab |
| 08:09.58 | g00se | Yes. That was too xtreme daeos sorry |
| 08:10.11 | xingu | simonrvn: yuck. |
| 08:10.20 | daeos | inittab... |
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| 08:10.32 | daeos | prhaps you could tell me about that in a second |
| 08:10.36 | daeos | imma go reboot the machine now |
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| 08:10.55 | xingu | simonrvn: ever work on a box where something in /usr/lib is triggering panic's ? |
| 08:11.17 | simonrvn | no, but i've been in similar yucky situations... |
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| 08:12.03 | g00se | simonrvn: Could start ssh in 1? |
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| 08:12.42 | xingu | simonrvn: http://nail.itapac.net/ricmp/download.html :) |
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| 08:13.52 | simonrvn | and this is for? |
| 08:14.14 | xingu | rebooting things you've lost shell access to |
| 08:14.34 | simonrvn | what, you ping it a certain way and reboots itself? |
| 08:14.38 | xingu | yep |
| 08:14.39 | daeos | should be back up soon.... |
| 08:14.56 | simonrvn | neat |
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| 08:15.13 | simonrvn | don't let anyone else get your sequence... |
| 08:15.20 | xingu | no. :) |
| 08:15.26 | daeos | that command isn't permanent is it? |
| 08:15.38 | simonrvn | oh i think i'll reboot that box now Bwhahaha |
| 08:15.58 | simonrvn | oh now i'll ping flood it |
| 08:16.05 | daeos | ok, now its back up... |
| 08:16.06 | simonrvn | *shudder* |
| 08:16.06 | xingu | simonrvn: there's been some thought put into that end of things, it's no worse than any other shared secret scheme |
| 08:16.08 | daeos | imma log back into irc on it |
| 08:16.18 | PingFloyd | yeah, sounds like something that could backfire |
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| 08:16.30 | xingu | simonrvn: and netfilter's recent match module can take care of bruteforcing quite simply. |
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| 08:16.49 | daeos | alrighty |
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| 08:16.53 | simonrvn | i use it to stop ssh, pop3, and ftp bruteforcing ;) |
| 08:17.02 | xingu | exactly |
| 08:17.31 | simonrvn | damned useful |
| 08:17.32 | xingu | it stopped sql slammer dead in its tracks on at least one backbone I know a little about |
| 08:17.38 | xingu | how's that for an advertisement. |
| 08:17.42 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:18.28 | simonrvn | pretty nifty |
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| 08:18.57 | daeos | ok now... what was that other command... |
| 08:19.08 | daeos | /etc/init.d/*dm stop? |
| 08:19.30 | xingu | nifty would be reporting matches back to a central console so that all edge nodes shared a common view of "recent" |
| 08:19.31 | daeos | ...worked |
| 08:19.34 | chemaja | from the DFSG: "We will support people who create or use both free and non-free works on Debian. We will never make the system require the use of a non-free component." |
| 08:19.41 | xingu | I've never been bored enough to investigate that one though |
| 08:19.57 | daeos | well it didn't work |
| 08:20.02 | daeos | ... no the stopping gdm |
| 08:20.07 | daeos | but the XDMCP |
| 08:20.18 | simonrvn | that would be very nifty |
| 08:20.48 | daeos | hrm oh well then |
| 08:20.49 | g00se | Did you try /etc/init.d/gdm stop ? |
| 08:21.00 | daeos | yeah i did, and as i said that command worked |
| 08:21.04 | daeos | just not the XDMCP |
| 08:21.10 | daeos | i'll try it another time then i guess |
| 08:21.20 | Azio | <cwheeler> Azio set the kernel to "held back" i think it's called with apt then it won't be updated |
| 08:21.24 | Azio | thanks man.. sorry i drifted off |
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| 08:22.06 | g00se | You can get round the gotcha that occurred before by starting ssh in 1 |
| 08:22.25 | PingFloyd | Azio: don't you want security updates for it, as DSAs come out? |
| 08:22.52 | g00se | Then telinit 1 would be an easy way out, but of course it would stop other services. apt-cache show sysv-rc-conf |
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| 08:24.11 | Guerin | i advocate use of kill(1) |
| 08:24.31 | cinvoke | Hi, I would like to program in a GUI compiler, an OO lang, hopefully java, or if possible vb.net. Can anyone help? |
| 08:24.49 | Guerin | cinvoke: first decide what you want to do. |
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| 08:25.06 | Guerin | cinvoke: for the record, there is no such thing as a `gui compiler' |
| 08:25.23 | g00se | Try to avoid an IDE written in Java unless you've lots of memory ;-) |
| 08:26.08 | g00se | Prefer C# over vb.net |
| 08:27.14 | cinvoke | i said compiler, but i meant IDE |
| 08:27.14 | Guerin | cinvoke: i recommend emcas as the ultimate IDE |
| 08:27.14 | Guerin | emacs, instead |
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| 08:27.15 | cinvoke | ive never developed in linux before, as you can now tell :) |
| 08:27.17 | pythonic | uic is a (graphical) user interface compiler |
| 08:28.40 | xingu | UML is the sexy new name I guess. |
| 08:29.11 | g00se | UML= Unified Modelling Language |
| 08:29.24 | cinvoke | how many diff compilers can i use with emacs? |
| 08:29.33 | Guerin | cinvoke: as many as there are |
| 08:29.51 | Guerin | cinvoke: it also has modes for more languages than you know exist |
| 08:30.17 | g00se | Guerin: Visual DnD? |
| 08:30.26 | Guerin | there is quite literally nothing it can't do (except be small) |
| 08:30.51 | cinvoke | ha |
| 08:30.51 | xingu | eight megabytes and constantly swapping |
| 08:31.05 | cinvoke | ouch |
| 08:31.09 | Guerin | g00se: M-x ! /path/to/visual/dnd/compiler some arguments |
| 08:31.13 | pythonic | can emacs make a rock too heavy for emacs to lift? |
| 08:31.21 | Guerin | xingu: if you have 8MB you DESERVE to be constantly swapping |
| 08:31.32 | Guerin | as it is, emacs is pretty lightweight by modern IDE standards |
| 08:31.37 | Guerin | pythonic: heh |
| 08:31.58 | xingu | the CASE promise was that we'd all be using UML tools to do drag-and-drop sw design by now |
| 08:32.05 | xingu | while we commuted to work in hover cars |
| 08:32.07 | xingu | or something. |
| 08:32.08 | simonrvn | emacs22-gtk weighs in at 32 MB on my box. that's lighter than many i've seen |
| 08:32.16 | simonrvn | and i have a bunch of stuff enabled |
| 08:32.16 | g00se | Guerin: but then (if that's possible) your IDE is not very I ;-) |
| 08:32.18 | Guerin | xingu: 1996 wants its pipe dream back |
| 08:32.55 | Guerin | g00se: a quick snoop around for elisp frobs and it's second nature |
| 08:32.56 | simonrvn | xingu: hover cars powered by farts and garbage |
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| 08:33.05 | bu`on | ai bay` cho em |
| 08:33.15 | bu`on | ca'ch hack fer di |
| 08:33.17 | bu`on | alo |
| 08:33.19 | bu`on | co ai ko |
| 08:33.28 | simonrvn | kwe kwe |
| 08:33.29 | Guerin | looks like vietnamese to me |
| 08:33.42 | xingu | definitely apnic |
| 08:33.48 | bu`on | toan` tieng anh |
| 08:33.50 | bu`on | em ko hiu~ |
| 08:33.53 | Guerin | $ geoiplookup 222.254.212.210 |
| 08:33.53 | Guerin | GeoIP Country Edition: VN, Vietnam |
| 08:33.56 | Guerin | !win me |
| 08:33.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won the US presidency! |
| 08:34.12 | cast | cool app. |
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| 08:34.23 | simonrvn | a kiwi as u.s. prez, that'd be rather funny |
| 08:34.40 | simonrvn | oh ffs |
| 08:34.40 | nOobSoL | em cha hiu~:( |
| 08:34.44 | xingu | yeah but the difference is I just remember various chunks of 222.254 being allocated |
| 08:34.58 | Guerin | simonrvn: you laugh, but our current PM was considering taking up the UN sec-gen post (but she won the last election, so ...) |
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| 08:35.07 | nOobSoL | noi tieng viet |
| 08:35.08 | Alam_Debian | hmmm, how do I save my bash history with out logging out? |
| 08:35.09 | nOobSoL | ko dc ha~? |
| 08:35.13 | Guerin | !vn |
| 08:35.13 | dpkg | Vietnam |
| 08:35.21 | nOobSoL | !vn |
| 08:35.25 | Guerin | nOobSoL: i don't think there's a vietnamese debian chennel |
| 08:35.35 | Guerin | nOobSoL: do you speak english, or french? |
| 08:35.37 | nOobSoL | hix hix |
| 08:35.44 | nOobSoL | vietnamese |
| 08:35.57 | Guerin | nOobSoL: français? |
| 08:36.25 | nOobSoL | co ai ng` vietnamese ko? |
| 08:36.26 | xingu | nice tangential |
| 08:36.27 | g00se | Alam_Debian: history >history-saved.txt ? |
| 08:36.34 | streuner_ | nOobSoL: Deutsch? |
| 08:36.40 | xingu | unlikely |
| 08:36.41 | nOobSoL | co ai ng` vietnamese ko? |
| 08:37.03 | nOobSoL | co ai ng` vietnamese ko? |
| 08:37.04 | xingu | !fr |
| 08:37.05 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:37.08 | Alam_Debian | no, my ~/..bash_history |
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| 08:37.12 | Guerin | simonrvn: the chances of anyone from viet nam speaking a language other than vietnamese, french or some bizarre southern-chinese dialect is very small |
| 08:37.21 | nOobSoL | bay` ca'ch hack fer ma` noi tieng tay tieng tau` |
| 08:37.24 | nOobSoL | cha? hiu~ ji` |
| 08:37.27 | Guerin | streuner_: you are now simonrvn |
| 08:37.34 | nOobSoL | !dis |
| 08:37.34 | dpkg | da homies are comin', bro |
| 08:37.36 | simonrvn | haha |
| 08:37.43 | nOobSoL | cha? hiu~ ji` |
| 08:37.45 | nOobSoL | bay` ca'ch hack fer ma` noi tieng tay tieng tau` |
| 08:37.50 | xingu | the odds of them having a rudimentry understanding of french is fantastically good though |
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| 08:38.06 | streuner_ | hehe :-) |
| 08:38.18 | Guerin | xingu: hell yeah, most older than ~50 speak better french than english |
| 08:38.35 | nOobSoL | toan` clone |
| 08:38.35 | Guerin | when I was in vietnam I happily had a fluent francophone with me |
| 08:38.48 | Guerin | the downside is that I learnt next to no vietnamese |
| 08:38.56 | xingu | the folk from macau on the other hand often have a reasonable grip on portuagese for some odd reason ;) |
| 08:39.10 | Guerin | that crazy old colonialism |
| 08:39.21 | streuner_ | ...still exist |
| 08:39.49 | simonrvn | hence why i can speak french |
| 08:39.54 | xingu | I wonder if those junks in the straits are equipped with LEO satcom uplinks these days |
| 08:40.07 | Guerin | simonrvn: ka kite ano |
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| 08:40.52 | simonrvn | Guerin: same to you |
| 08:42.05 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 08:42.08 | Guerin | simonrvn: kia ora ow ;) |
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| 08:43.00 | g00se | Can someone recommend a good server box < $600 available in GB? |
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| 08:43.24 | doudou | Hi i bought a webcam logitech pro 5000, i saw logitech was good for linux, but i dont find how to install it? |
| 08:43.43 | Guerin | !supported by |
| 08:43.43 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
| 08:44.40 | Guerin | doudou: i know logitech up to about 4000 are sort-of supported |
| 08:44.55 | Guerin | never knew they even released a 5000 |
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| 08:45.19 | pa | hello |
| 08:45.38 | pa | stupid question: why is vlc package broken in sid? |
| 08:45.39 | xingu | it's 1000 louder |
| 08:45.46 | Guerin | pa: because it's sid. |
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| 08:45.57 | pa | it seems it depends on libx264-54 but this one is not existant |
| 08:46.27 | Guerin | pa: see if the binaries from videolan.org work |
| 08:46.37 | pa | thanksù |
| 08:46.39 | pa | thanks |
| 08:46.40 | Guerin | otherwise look in incoming or experimental |
| 08:46.57 | Guerin | btu you get to keep all the bits |
| 08:47.02 | doudou | guerin, i dont clearly understand, this model is not supported? you know supported model are not so simple to find in stores. there should be linux designed products we could buy on internet or at least on ebay |
| 08:47.05 | Guerin | when it breaks and dies horribly |
| 08:47.19 | Guerin | doudou: i agree most wholeheartedly. |
| 08:47.32 | wols | Guerin: the 5000 is supported too, but you need a patch for ucbvideo |
| 08:47.34 | cahoot | doudou: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices | grep |Vendor - what gets returned? |
| 08:47.35 | Guerin | doudou: i support your desire to go out and make it happen! |
| 08:47.39 | Guerin | wols: tell doudou |
| 08:48.14 | wols | Guerin: can you support my desire for a pony too? |
| 08:48.30 | Guerin | wols: i can indeed! |
| 08:48.39 | wols | whoohoo! |
| 08:48.46 | Guerin | unfortunately, moral support is all my bnidget currently encompasses |
| 08:48.54 | Guerin | and my budget, too |
| 08:48.56 | g00se | doudou: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/3743 is close. Not a cinch |
| 08:48.56 | doudou | wols, i got 6 lines |
| 08:49.01 | pa | Guerin: how do i specify i want the vlc from videolan.org instead of that from debian.org? |
| 08:49.02 | wols | but you have high morals, right? |
| 08:49.11 | Guerin | pa: man apt_preferences |
| 08:49.14 | pa | (i mean to apt) |
| 08:49.17 | pa | oh tnx |
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| 08:49.30 | Guerin | wols: my morals are very high indeed, yes. Much like the rest of me. |
| 08:49.53 | cinvoke | can anyone help me install my audio? |
| 08:50.02 | Guerin | cinvoke: /msg dpkg audio |
| 08:50.15 | wols | doudou: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCamerasLogitech |
| 08:50.25 | doudou | thanks for your help, i have not enougth time sorry, i will come back in few days |
| 08:50.38 | cahoot | cinvoke: on etch installing alsa-utils and running dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base should do the trick |
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| 08:52.23 | doudou | wols, thank for this link, i look before buying it i remmember, but i did not think it will be dificult, thanks |
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| 08:54.05 | sobersabre | hi guys. I am trying to upgrade my hp zx6000 machine to etch via a CD network install. |
| 08:54.21 | Guerin | sobersabre: trying? |
| 08:54.23 | sobersabre | After I choose any of the boot options |
| 08:54.27 | cinvoke | cahoot, ok i picked alsa, now what? |
| 08:54.29 | Guerin | mm |
| 08:54.34 | Guerin | why use the cd? |
| 08:54.38 | sobersabre | It stalls after the line "Loading /initrd.gz |
| 08:54.43 | cinvoke | cahoot: do i need to reboot? |
| 08:54.47 | Guerin | sobersabre: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 08:54.48 | cahoot | cinvoke: no |
| 08:54.51 | sobersabre | the progress bar rotates and then stops rotating. |
| 08:54.58 | sobersabre | Guerin: it's a hardware issue |
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| 08:55.09 | Guerin | sobersabre: you didn't answer my question |
| 08:55.16 | cahoot | cinvoke: test sound with: yes|aplay in a term (ctrl-c to end the noise) |
| 08:55.19 | sobersabre | Guerin: trying, YES. |
| 08:55.33 | sobersabre | Guerin: what other option do you offer ? |
| 08:55.38 | cinvoke | cahoot: i went to sounds, and tested, i still get no sound |
| 08:55.43 | Guerin | sobersabre: did you ask dpkg what I told you to? |
| 08:55.48 | Guerin | !soundcheck |
| 08:55.48 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 08:55.56 | Guerin | don't use aplay to test sound |
| 08:56.01 | sobersabre | Guerin: I install sarge before it supported zx6000 machines |
| 08:56.04 | cahoot | cinvoke: did you do as I said above? noise or error msg? |
| 08:56.07 | Guerin | use the soundcheck ↑ |
| 08:56.08 | sobersabre | So I've compiled my own kernel. |
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| 08:56.19 | sobersabre | Apparently I've forgotten to include vfat support. |
| 08:56.26 | cahoot | Guerin: why not use aplay? |
| 08:56.27 | Guerin | sobersabre: why does this negate the ability to upgrade in-place? |
| 08:56.47 | Guerin | cahoot: more stuff to break. |
| 08:56.50 | sobersabre | Guerin: it seems to negate it. efi tools need vfat support to upgrade. |
| 08:56.52 | cahoot | huh? |
| 08:57.11 | sobersabre | So, I've made myself a working kernel, which cannot be upgraded. |
| 08:57.12 | sobersabre | :) |
| 08:57.14 | cinvoke | cahoot: im not sure what you are referring to |
| 08:57.23 | cahoot | cinvoke: test sound with: yes|aplay in a term (ctrl-c to end the noise) |
| 08:57.33 | Guerin | cahoot: when testing, always use the lowest-level test which will tell you what you need to know. YOu know this ;) |
| 08:57.48 | cahoot | Guerin: yes - hence aplay |
| 08:57.51 | Guerin | sobersabre: it needn't be upgraded |
| 08:57.57 | Guerin | cahoot: hence cat |
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| 08:58.12 | wols | sobersabre: boot a rescue cd |
| 08:58.12 | cahoot | not for alsa |
| 08:58.26 | Guerin | cahoot: depends if you're testing alsa, or sound. |
| 08:59.05 | sobersabre | anyway. The stock netinstall CD does display boot menu, and offers to add misc. options to the grub's boot options. |
| 08:59.19 | sobersabre | but none of them continues to load after initrd is loaded. |
| 08:59.24 | cinvoke | cahoot: cinvoke@debugg:~$ yes|aplay |
| 08:59.24 | cinvoke | Playing raw data 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono |
| 08:59.25 | cinvoke | Aborted by signal Interrupt... |
| 08:59.25 | cinvoke | cinvoke@debugg:~$ |
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| 08:59.37 | sobersabre | I also don't see any debug data to understand what stage gets fsked up. |
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| 08:59.42 | A-L-A-R-M | hello. when opening some text files with kate (kde), it always creates another file with the same name, for example test.txt , it creates a file test~ . what is that |
| 08:59.54 | cahoot | cinvoke: ok so alsa is up and running |
| 08:59.54 | gpm | A-L-A-R-M: it's a backup |
| 08:59.57 | Guerin | A-L-A-R-M: it's a backup, ignore it |
| 09:00.01 | sobersabre | Is there an ia64 specific debian resource ? |
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| 09:00.15 | A-L-A-R-M | i cant :) it disturbs my optical field :) |
| 09:00.20 | wols | !nickometer A-L-A-R-M |
| 09:00.21 | dpkg | 'A-L-A-R-M' is 99.810% lame, wols |
| 09:00.22 | A-L-A-R-M | ignoring it isnt a good idea right |
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| 09:00.36 | wols | A-L-A-R-M: wrong |
| 09:00.38 | A-L-A-R-M | damn... i am close to 100% , any tip to reach it ?:) |
| 09:00.38 | Guerin | A-L-A-R-M: ignoring it is the only thing you should do |
| 09:00.44 | cinvoke | cahoot: that did not work |
| 09:00.48 | cahoot | cinvoke: ok so alsa is up and running |
| 09:00.54 | A-L-A-R-M | okie |
| 09:01.07 | cinvoke | yes |
| 09:01.07 | A-L-A-R-M | !nickotin-meter |
| 09:01.09 | gpm | sobersabre: http://www.us.debian.org/ports/ia64/ ? |
| 09:01.15 | cahoot | cinvoke: what does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return? |
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| 09:01.39 | gpm | sobersabre: there's a mailing list at least.. |
| 09:02.14 | hark | A-L-A-R-M: otherwise in preferences, there should be an option to not have a backup file |
| 09:02.18 | cahoot | cinvoke: and - don't flood the channel - use a pastebin |
| 09:02.24 | A-L-A-R-M | okie dokie, thanks |
| 09:02.35 | cinvoke | o ok |
| 09:02.35 | gpm | if you really want, you should be able to config kate to not make backups |
| 09:02.37 | cinvoke | ha |
| 09:02.46 | liable | A-L-A-R-M: you should be able to turn it off i would think |
| 09:02.47 | gpm | or maybe, if kate is any good, you can configure what the backups are called |
| 09:02.57 | gpm | call it .test.txt.backup |
| 09:02.57 | cinvoke | cahoot: how do i use a pastebin? |
| 09:02.58 | gpm | or something |
| 09:03.03 | gpm | !tell cinvoke about paste |
| 09:03.16 | cahoot | cinvoke: /msg dpkg paster |
| 09:03.22 | A-L-A-R-M | if its a backup i will try to live with it |
| 09:03.30 | gpm | it is a backup |
| 09:03.34 | gpm | no need for that if |
| 09:04.44 | gpm | it's late |
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| 09:07.30 | cinvoke | cahoot: did u get that? |
| 09:07.49 | cahoot | cinvoke: you have to paste the URL here |
| 09:08.08 | cinvoke | :) |
| 09:08.09 | cinvoke | http://paste.debian.net/29444 |
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| 09:08.39 | sobersabre | gpm: I am reading it now. |
| 09:08.45 | sobersabre | thanks. |
| 09:08.58 | cahoot | cinvoke: see - ff is occupying the device - close ff and test again |
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| 09:09.06 | gpm | sobersabre: np |
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| 09:09.48 | potolo | Hi. Quick (user) question about libproc-process-perl. A dummy package to ease transition of the module's deb package rename to libproc-processtable-perl entered Testing today. My question: Will Stable (Etch) later drop the libproc-process-perl package too, in favour of the renamed one libproc-processtable-perl? Or will only Testing & Unstable have the new name version? |
| 09:10.13 | delta9 | potolo: no |
| 09:10.14 | potolo | I asked in #debian-perl (oftc.net) but nobody seemed to be around. |
| 09:10.18 | potolo | delta9: thank you |
| 09:10.31 | delta9 | potolo: the stable packages will not change, except for security reasons, IIRC |
| 09:10.44 | gpm | delta9: you recall correctly |
| 09:10.55 | potolo | delta9: nod | gpm: thank you for the confirm. |
| 09:11.18 | delta9 | you're welcome |
| 09:11.26 | delta9 | what tool do I use to list symbols in a shared object? |
| 09:11.33 | delta9 | ##linux is not answering |
| 09:11.34 | delta9 | :( |
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| 09:12.21 | cinvoke | cahoot: how do i close ff? also i dont see "ff" in that message i sent you |
| 09:12.31 | xingu | delta9: nm -D |
| 09:12.37 | delta9 | xingu: ah yes |
| 09:12.44 | delta9 | I always forget it because it starts with n |
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| 09:13.23 | scx | delta9: No Man no |
| 09:13.33 | cahoot | cinvoke: /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: cinvoke 6951 F...m firefox-bin |
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| 09:14.39 | gpm | g'night |
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| 09:18.31 | wolfeon | anyone ever fragged their hard drive using hdparm -s 1? :) |
| 09:18.34 | wolfeon | on a sata |
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| 09:18.51 | tarzeau | not me |
| 09:18.57 | cahoot | is it even intende for sata disks? |
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| 09:19.23 | cinvoke | cahoot: i closed ff, but im still getting one message /dev/snd/controlC0: cinvoke 5441 F.... mixer_applet2 |
| 09:19.25 | scead | hihi, i have having a really horrible time just trying to get anything working in unstable. Someone using testing here..... Do the nvidia drivers work with the current version of testing? |
| 09:19.49 | tarzeau | scead: they work in stable and sid (don't use testing here) |
| 09:19.50 | cahoot | cinvoke: and no sound from aplay? |
| 09:19.59 | wolfeon | cahoot: setting hard drive parameters :) |
| 09:20.06 | scead | tarzeau, sid? |
| 09:20.11 | wolfeon | cahoot: the drives don't even show up on POST :/ |
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| 09:20.17 | wolfeon | they show up as blank lines |
| 09:20.23 | scead | tarzeau, apparently im using lenny? |
| 09:20.27 | scead | what is lenny? |
| 09:20.33 | cinvoke | cahoot: no |
| 09:20.34 | scead | i thought lenny was the new sid |
| 09:20.39 | wolfeon | I think I'm screwed unless there is a pin combination to reset the drive settings internalls |
| 09:21.09 | avtobiff | scead, lenny is the new testing |
| 09:21.16 | scead | well... whatever im using... im using unstable |
| 09:21.16 | avtobiff | scead, sid is always sid. |
| 09:21.17 | graytron | scead: sid will always be sid :) |
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| 09:21.31 | avtobiff | sid is the kid next door who breaks toys |
| 09:21.31 | scead | deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 09:21.33 | tarzeau | scead: testing |
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| 09:21.37 | karsten | scead: sid is the new sid. |
| 09:21.38 | tarzeau | scead: the sid is always the sid |
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| 09:21.42 | tarzeau | scead: it's always unstable |
| 09:21.44 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 09:21.44 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 09:21.54 | tarzeau | scead: sid also has an add-on called experimental |
| 09:21.58 | wolfeon | cahoot: I could just waranty them :D |
| 09:22.13 | karsten | scead: ... and it _doesn't_ stand for "still in development", but that's not a bad way to think of it. |
| 09:22.14 | tarzeau | debpool and ufsutils only exist in experimental |
| 09:22.24 | scead | tarzeau, mike@mike:~$ cat /etc/debian_version lenny/sid |
| 09:22.31 | tarzeau | scead: no that's not right |
| 09:22.39 | cahoot | cinvoke: see if you can at least temporarily disable gnomes sound system |
| 09:22.47 | scead | its not? |
| 09:22.47 | tarzeau | scead: lsb_version -c |
| 09:23.00 | scead | command not found |
| 09:23.14 | tarzeau | scead: lsb_release -c |
| 09:23.19 | tarzeau | sorry was wrong command |
| 09:23.29 | cinvoke | cahoot: best way to go about temp disabling? |
| 09:23.34 | scead | mike@mike:~$ lsb_release -c Codename: sid |
| 09:23.40 | tarzeau | scead: my hero! |
| 09:23.43 | scead | :D |
| 09:23.45 | tarzeau | scead: and you don't even know what it is :) |
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| 09:23.51 | tarzeau | scead: have you watched toy story? |
| 09:23.53 | scead | anyway, how are your drivers working, and mine arn't |
| 09:24.00 | scead | i haven't watched toy story |
| 09:24.01 | scead | :) |
| 09:24.03 | scead | :( ** |
| 09:24.05 | tarzeau | scead: i'm .. using the binary drviers of nvidia |
| 09:24.09 | scead | so am I |
| 09:24.12 | tarzeau | scead: you should! there's two movies |
| 09:24.22 | tarzeau | scead: i'm not allowed to support that here |
| 09:24.31 | tarzeau | scead: bug feel free to find me in another channel |
| 09:24.35 | scead | no no.. not the binary drivers from nvidia |
| 09:24.45 | scead | nvidia-glx is my problem |
| 09:24.59 | tarzeau | ah, i don't know, i don't use them |
| 09:25.05 | scead | ah |
| 09:25.11 | tarzeau | you're not the first having problem with that, but i can't help you |
| 09:25.22 | scead | okay |
| 09:25.39 | tarzeau | compiling pixie takes ages... |
| 09:25.54 | tarzeau | i gotta build this on a faster machine i guess |
| 09:25.59 | scead | what i really want to know is, Does "just work" with the drivers etc etc |
| 09:26.01 | avtobiff | pixie? |
| 09:26.11 | scead | testing ** |
| 09:26.15 | tarzeau | avtobiff: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~okan/Pixie/pixie.htm |
| 09:26.19 | scead | missed out the most important word there :P |
| 09:26.20 | tarzeau | avtobiff: i'm making packages :) |
| 09:26.47 | avtobiff | is it a ray tracer? |
| 09:26.51 | scead | i can't even watch my joe satriani dvd I bought today :( |
| 09:26.54 | tarzeau | avtobiff: renderer |
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| 09:27.01 | tarzeau | avtobiff: you're 3d interested? |
| 09:27.20 | avtobiff | tarzeau, somewhat yes |
| 09:27.21 | wols | scead: watching dvds doesn't need the nvidia drivers |
| 09:27.26 | tarzeau | avtobiff: you gotta try http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/misfitmodel3d/ and www.sauerbraten.org |
| 09:27.38 | tarzeau | avtobiff: there's a mapping contest this month again, at http://www.quadropolis.us/ |
| 09:27.40 | scead | wols, i understand this... nothing is working atm :( |
| 09:27.47 | tarzeau | avtobiff: it's pretty fun, know wings3d? blender? |
| 09:28.25 | scead | wols, I really want to get nexuiz working, but the nvidia-glx package isn't installable. |
| 09:28.32 | wols | scead: what videocard? |
| 09:28.41 | scead | wols, 6800GS |
| 09:28.46 | tarzeau | scead: this really is a debian problem? |
| 09:28.53 | wols | and what error do you get? |
| 09:29.02 | tarzeau | scead: the binary driver works so good here, but i can't recommend it here |
| 09:29.03 | wols | tarzeau: if he can't install a package: yes |
| 09:29.31 | tarzeau | wols: look, i've been telling this since years, the nvidia packages in debian are utterly broken |
| 09:29.32 | scead | I cannot get direct rendering working, apparently it needs the nvidia-glx package installed |
| 09:29.39 | scead | however it is not installable |
| 09:29.41 | tarzeau | wols: it doesn't get into my head how they manage to keep it broken for so long |
| 09:29.52 | wols | tarzeau: we still have to support them.sucks to be us |
| 09:29.54 | tarzeau | wols: and there's no tutorial that just works? |
| 09:30.03 | tarzeau | wols: oh rly? poor you :) |
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| 09:30.10 | wols | scead: either answer my question or go away |
| 09:30.37 | tarzeau | scead: he's only rude because he HAS to support it |
| 09:30.55 | avtobiff | tarzeau, i have tried blender a bit. i dont do it that much, it is more of a fascination then interest ;-) |
| 09:31.02 | wols | no I am rude since people are obiviously incapable of answering a simple question |
| 09:31.11 | scead | wols, look mate, im just annoyed, that is all. |
| 09:31.15 | tarzeau | avtobiff: can you do blender well? there was a tutorial at www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/blender/ (nice introduction) |
| 09:31.17 | avtobiff | tarzeau, but it is so because i have focused on school for some time now. |
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| 09:31.28 | wols | scead: do you want help? yes or no? |
| 09:31.31 | avtobiff | tarzeau, no i dont know blender that well. |
| 09:31.36 | tarzeau | you want a pony? |
| 09:31.43 | wols | yes! yes! yes! |
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| 09:31.54 | tarzeau | i'll make a 3d pony for you, what color? |
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| 09:31.57 | wols | Guerin promised me moral support! happy happy joy joy! |
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| 09:31.59 | scead | wols, it would be good, but you have said that you couldn't. |
| 09:32.25 | wols | suit yourself then |
| 09:32.28 | tarzeau | wols: why not just setup a wiki page on nvidia installing on debian ? |
| 09:32.34 | tarzeau | wols: i mean then i'd try it again too |
| 09:32.43 | wols | tarzeau: would rob us of the fun here |
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| 09:33.09 | tarzeau | wols: guess i'll have a look at it again, and write it into wiki (next week, at work, w/ stable machines) |
| 09:33.11 | wols | btw: there already is a wiki entry I thought |
| 09:33.29 | wols | same here. nothing runs stable. I'd have to isntall a VM only for that |
| 09:33.30 | tarzeau | wols: why not paste the url to it for nvidia questions and be done? |
| 09:33.38 | wols | doh. wouldn't work in a VM |
| 09:33.48 | giupy_ | i have ati and fglrx driver, all goes well however if i try to switch to console screen become black and i can't use nothing, do you kow how to solve it ? |
| 09:33.49 | tarzeau | wols: it has a config tweak you can set for it to work |
| 09:33.57 | tarzeau | but i'm not sure what host/vm combinations it works, if at all |
| 09:34.07 | tarzeau | giupy_: no, buggerer ati |
| 09:34.07 | wols | tarzeau: pretty much none :( |
| 09:34.17 | tarzeau | giupy_: this is a bug in their crap driver, that also happenes on the few ati's i had |
| 09:34.26 | tarzeau | giupy_: their driver is just crap. don't go to console, don't restart X |
| 09:34.35 | giupy_ | tarzeau eh :)) |
| 09:34.37 | tarzeau | giupy_: and have the reset button next to you |
| 09:34.43 | giupy_ | ehehhe |
| 09:34.46 | giupy_ | ok ok |
| 09:34.48 | wols | tarzeau: sounds like the savage4 I had (and that was a Free driver) |
| 09:35.03 | tarzeau | wols: and you could play www.sauerbraten.org with lik 100 fps? |
| 09:35.15 | tarzeau | wols: abrotman swears on the new intel 9xx cards |
| 09:35.24 | giupy_ | wols it's better from an open driver :) |
| 09:35.31 | wols | he always dos. trouble is, they SUCK |
| 09:35.36 | tarzeau | wols: ack :) |
| 09:35.46 | wols | even intel acknowledges it basically |
| 09:35.53 | wols | larrabee will be interesting |
| 09:35.54 | tarzeau | wols: heh, so nothing besides nvidia still |
| 09:35.56 | giupy_ | well, i'll use google earth with the open driver |
| 09:36.03 | tarzeau | wols: let's see what amd/ati does |
| 09:36.13 | tarzeau | wols: if they wait much more longer, they're just out of business |
| 09:36.19 | wols | I don't have hiph hopes with them tbh |
| 09:36.21 | tarzeau | wols: i mean when was the takeover? ages... |
| 09:36.29 | tarzeau | wols: same here |
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| 09:36.39 | cinvoke | cahoot: are you still there? |
| 09:36.42 | wols | ati is unable to do opengl. they are not exactly an open company Free software wise |
| 09:36.43 | cahoot | yes |
| 09:36.48 | tarzeau | wols: and the nouveau stuff is a joke too? |
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| 09:36.50 | wols | and they really have big problems |
| 09:37.07 | wols | financial and technical |
| 09:37.11 | giupy_ | however , here i can't use google earth because it has problems with my matrox g200 |
| 09:37.23 | tarzeau | wols: no wonder when their drivers crash computers w/ linux? |
| 09:37.27 | cinvoke | cahoot: im having trouble disabling gnome sound, should i do it from device manager? |
| 09:37.29 | wols | tarzeau: the pricepoint of their new cards is good. the cards themselves a bit less so. added the driver and opengl mess: no alternative |
| 09:37.38 | tarzeau | wols: i mean, i even hate to reboot cleanly into windows just to play counterstrike:source |
| 09:37.50 | giupy_ | with my matrox i can play open arena but i can't see google earth :((( |
| 09:38.01 | cast | sorry, reflex. |
| 09:38.02 | tarzeau | wols: i don't care, i just don't want their software crash my computer |
| 09:38.09 | tarzeau | cast: beware :) |
| 09:38.10 | wols | tarzeau: well, their problems don't come from lacking linux support. linux is not where the money is for a videocard maker |
| 09:38.34 | giupy_ | thanks all |
| 09:38.36 | tarzeau | wols: i would've bought 150 of their cards and some at home if they worked |
| 09:38.40 | tarzeau | wols: but now we have nvidia... |
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| 09:38.53 | tarzeau | wols: likewise with many gamers |
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| 09:39.09 | wols | for a non gaming machine intel is ok, btw. but one game and it's useless :) |
| 09:39.12 | tarzeau | wols: apple buys both nvidia and ati cards |
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| 09:39.24 | cahoot | cinvoke: does gnome's sound test still result in silence? |
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| 09:39.34 | tarzeau | wols: what were consoles using? xbox360? ps3? nintendo stuff? |
| 09:40.06 | cinvoke | cahoot: yes |
| 09:40.09 | tarzeau | wols: wow, 80+ ppl in #nouveau |
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| 09:40.31 | wols | xbox: ati, pS3 cell+nvidia, wii:ati |
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| 09:40.32 | cinvoke | cahoot: mixer_applet2 still used by ff |
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| 09:40.47 | wols | cinvoke: then kill it? |
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| 09:41.43 | petemc | original xbox used nvidia |
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| 09:53.13 | cinvoke | cahoot: i tried killing process, and playing the sound again, no luck |
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| 09:56.37 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 09:57.08 | sobersabre | I'm having problems to boot netinstall CD of Etch on zx1 based machine HP ZX6000 |
| 09:57.20 | sobersabre | I get the boot menu, very nice. |
| 09:57.28 | sobersabre | I can choose any of the boot options. |
| 09:57.43 | sobersabre | but, after the /initrd.gz is loaded it is stuck. |
| 09:58.04 | scx | Do you get any errors? kernel panic or something? |
| 09:58.06 | sobersabre | keyboard doesn't even toggle lock LEDs, like Caps, Num and Scroll |
| 09:58.11 | scx | What the last line say |
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| 09:58.15 | sobersabre | scx: I don't know. |
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| 09:58.39 | scx | sobersabre: Try splash=verbose at boot time |
| 09:58.43 | scx | so see it |
| 09:58.49 | scx | err: so=to |
| 09:58.51 | sobersabre | last line says something like: "Loading /initrd.gz<here comes rotating "\|/-">" |
| 09:58.57 | sobersabre | and no errors. |
| 09:58.59 | sobersabre | :( |
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| 09:59.14 | AlteKiet | hi all. How can I show the current speed of data transfer on any NIC? |
| 09:59.20 | cinvoke | cahoot: i tried killing process, and playing the sound again, no luck |
| 09:59.24 | cast | iptraf |
| 09:59.44 | sobersabre | scx: GOOD IDEA. |
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| 09:59.51 | sobersabre | I will tonight or tomorrow. |
| 10:00.04 | petemc | AlteKiet: nload, bwm |
| 10:00.12 | sobersabre | well, since tonight is "tomorrow" too, tomorrow then. |
| 10:00.13 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 10:00.41 | scx | cast: I couldn't remember the program name for two weeks till now (iptraf) |
| 10:00.51 | graytron | what's the mechanism to use in debian to configure (or disable) logging to console? |
| 10:01.00 | scx | AlteKiet: ntop also |
| 10:01.05 | petemc | graytron: sysctl |
| 10:01.17 | graytron | petemc: ok thanks |
| 10:02.41 | scx | sobersabre: Also: splash=verbose vga=normalshowopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 edd=off |
| 10:03.07 | scx | sobersabre: That's 'failsafe' options |
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| 10:04.08 | scx | oops, <space> before 'showopts' |
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| 10:04.48 | N1ckR | Hi, how much does debian patch common packages (compared to original upstream) - is it mostly for security ? |
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| 10:07.11 | sobersabre | scx: the frightening thing is that I know them :) |
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| 10:07.32 | sobersabre | except edd=off |
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| 10:09.41 | sobersabre | scx: why is it good to say both: "nosmp" and "maxcpus=0" ? |
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| 10:12.14 | claudio` | Does anyone use wmii? |
| 10:12.19 | xand | which head? |
| 10:12.21 | xand | !anyone |
| 10:12.21 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:14.13 | scx | sobersabre: To be sincere I copy pasted that form my failsafe params :p |
| 10:14.40 | sobersabre | scx: It doesn't matter, I am just curious about causality of this list. :) |
| 10:15.20 | scx | :) |
| 10:15.38 | AlteKiet | exit |
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| 10:17.02 | thedude | Does anyone know if it is possible to make 'wget' save all the pages it encounters during a redirection chain (when it recieves multiple 302 statuses)? |
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| 10:18.08 | edistar | hey, can anyone here recommend a UPnP server? |
| 10:19.58 | edistar | for sparc.. |
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| 10:21.26 | juice` | anyone knows good bandwidth meter program? i tried 5 of them, and all were completly not working (for example, my peak connection completle destroyed the whole persperctive of the graph of bandwidth ) |
| 10:21.46 | wols | iptraf ntop |
| 10:22.02 | juice` | but i want some graphs that will let me analyze the whole day for example |
| 10:22.10 | juice` | iptraf is good but only if you look at it |
| 10:23.07 | juice` | by the way, iptraf i use often and it's great :) but that's not generating any graphs |
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| 10:23.12 | juice` | any other suggestions? i tried all programs which i found in apt-cache search bandwidth |
| 10:23.33 | juice` | not working, or working very poorly... and mrtg is not the thing i need i guess, if i only need 1 server... |
| 10:24.28 | cast | does ntop make graphs like that? |
| 10:24.33 | wols | gkrellm |
| 10:24.37 | cast | not that i like ntop, but it ddi have pictures |
| 10:24.44 | avtobiff | juice`, have you tried bandwithd? |
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| 10:24.56 | avtobiff | juice`, that should be bandwidthd |
| 10:24.56 | cast | my conky has a little graph it generates over time :) |
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| 10:25.20 | juice` | avtibiff: this is the program i tried and was causing problems ;) |
| 10:25.24 | Chty | hello |
| 10:25.28 | wols | juice`: debian or ubuntu? |
| 10:25.39 | KDan | hello... if i'm very familiar with administering a server running ubuntu, what sort of trouble will i hit when switching to a debian server? |
| 10:25.43 | juice` | i have usually 6-7Mbps of traffic, but somehow i got 500MBps peak connection |
| 10:25.47 | juice` | so you know what bandwidth did? |
| 10:25.47 | cast | http://www.ntop.org/ntop2.jpg |
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| 10:25.54 | dimsuz | hi, guys! what's the most common and straightforward way to share /var/cache/apt/archives directory among several computers on LAN? |
| 10:25.57 | juice` | destroyed my graph and it's range |
| 10:26.02 | juice` | and made it from 0 to 500 |
| 10:26.03 | Chty | what is the command to change azerty to qwerty in X, without changing X configuration ? |
| 10:26.04 | dimsuz | NFS? |
| 10:26.06 | juice` | so i couldnt see ANYTHING |
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| 10:26.08 | petemc | iptotal works |
| 10:26.09 | cast | KDan: very little i imagine |
| 10:26.13 | juice` | and no option to make it better |
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| 10:26.20 | KDan | cast: what would be the top difference? |
| 10:26.25 | juice` | iptotal just doesnt work,but i guess i will have to look into it |
| 10:26.28 | bolt | !tell juice` about ENTER |
| 10:26.39 | petemc | it just worked for me |
| 10:26.41 | juice` | oops sorry. |
| 10:26.48 | bolt | :) |
| 10:26.55 | cast | KDan: dunno, not sure how much ubuntu screws with debian packages |
| 10:26.57 | petemc | install it, wait a bit, visit http://machine/iptotal |
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| 10:27.10 | cast | KDan: biggest diff is probably slower release cycle |
| 10:27.13 | juice` | i had icons of not working images there |
| 10:28.38 | petemc | shouldnt be too hard to troubleshoot |
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| 10:29.12 | mateuszk | Hi |
| 10:29.26 | mateuszk | how to incrase FPS ? |
| 10:29.37 | mateuszk | I mean I had it 1000 a time a go |
| 10:29.46 | mateuszk | and now I have porrly 730 |
| 10:29.53 | wols | mateuszk: install the proper driver |
| 10:30.06 | mateuszk | wols, is it possible to do tuning or something ? |
| 10:30.09 | mateuszk | any options ? |
| 10:30.25 | wols | what driver do you use? |
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| 10:31.08 | mateuszk | wols, where to check it? |
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| 10:31.22 | mateuszk | wols, I dont have it as module |
| 10:31.25 | wols | in your xorg.conf for example |
| 10:31.38 | mateuszk | wols, i810 |
| 10:32.37 | Chty | what is the command to change azerty to qwerty in X, without changing X configuration ? |
| 10:33.00 | wols | mateuszk: what videocard? |
| 10:33.04 | cydork | Chty: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 10:33.06 | wols | !keymap |
| 10:33.06 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 10:34.01 | Chty | ok thanks cydork and wols |
| 10:34.16 | mateuszk | wols, Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device |
| 10:34.36 | wols | you use the right one. now you might have to check glxinfo if you use 3d acceleration |
| 10:34.43 | ma3x | wols, how can I change the resolution of the console, or the font size? |
| 10:34.47 | wols | and DRI. but I dunno exactly how: don't do intel |
| 10:35.06 | wols | res is frameuffer stuff. |
| 10:35.18 | wols | font is /etc/console-tools/config |
| 10:35.23 | mateuszk | wols, 3d acceleration is Yes |
| 10:35.27 | mateuszk | wols, in glxinfo |
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| 10:36.26 | Wisdom07 | hi |
| 10:36.32 | ma3x | wols, does it apply to the text while booting? |
| 10:36.51 | wols | fonts only change when console-data is run via init |
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| 10:37.07 | ma3x | wols, so there is no way to change the font size for the boot process? |
| 10:37.11 | wols | res applies to booting since you usually configure it with a kernel parameter |
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| 10:37.14 | DebianSarge | Hello |
| 10:37.20 | DebianSarge | I have a problem :-( |
| 10:37.35 | ma3x | wols, what is the grub parameter for that? |
| 10:37.59 | ma3x | wols, I usually have a large font when my laptop's booting. I want to make it a little smaller |
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| 10:38.11 | wols | ma3x: none. kernel parameter. vga= |
| 10:38.43 | ma3x | wols, vga=800x600 (example) ? |
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| 10:39.02 | wols | no |
| 10:39.06 | wols | read the farmebuffer howto |
| 10:39.36 | mateuszk | wols, "This works peacefully... giving me 1000-1100 FPS." |
| 10:39.44 | mateuszk | wols, thats my card |
| 10:40.09 | mateuszk | As far as I can remember I also got 1000-1100 FPS |
| 10:40.12 | mateuszk | not 730 |
| 10:40.13 | wols | your card is "This works peacefully... giving me 1000-1100 FPS."? intereesting |
| 10:40.33 | mateuszk | wols, this is what someone wrote on forum |
| 10:40.55 | mateuszk | wols, and that was for my card |
| 10:41.07 | wols | mateuszk: a) glxgears is not a bechmark. b) depending on your cpu and other things, that number varies a lot |
| 10:41.17 | wols | you don't have a card |
| 10:41.55 | mateuszk | wols, thats only a confirmation that I dont have sclerosis |
| 10:41.58 | mateuszk | :) |
| 10:42.34 | mateuszk | wols, As far as I can remember I got 1000-1100 FPS as it states on forum exacly with glxgears.. |
| 10:42.46 | mateuszk | wols, now I am getting porlly 730 |
| 10:42.54 | wols | I don't care |
| 10:47.46 | juice` | is there something like mod_bandwidth for apache 2 ? |
| 10:48.37 | wols | !tell juice` about search |
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| 10:49.20 | juice` | i came here after i tried to look for it, including apt-cache search |
| 10:49.52 | wols | dpkg told you about more than just apt-cache |
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| 10:50.50 | juice` | yes, the other way to access the exact same database, for example by page or by irc |
| 10:50.52 | roxy_ | running ./configure inside opencv src directory, I got a missing g++ and failed. apt-file g++ hasn't return anything. What can I do? (testing i386) |
| 10:50.59 | wols | juice`: wrong |
| 10:51.13 | wols | juice`: I just found it. so you can too |
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| 10:51.27 | wols | !tell roxy_ about b-e |
| 10:51.49 | cast | g++-3.3: usr/bin/g++-3.3 |
| 10:51.51 | juice` | wols: it's not for my needs. which one you found? mod_throttle? |
| 10:51.59 | wols | mod_bandwith |
| 10:52.06 | cast | `apt-file search g++` that was |
| 10:52.06 | juice` | for apache 2 ? |
| 10:52.16 | wols | nope unfortunately |
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| 10:52.25 | juice` | but that's what i'm asking :( |
| 10:52.33 | wols | you're SOL then |
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| 10:52.54 | juice` | SOL ? could you explain the meaning? ;) |
| 10:53.21 | wols | !sol |
| 10:53.21 | dpkg | sol is probably Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
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| 10:53.39 | cydork | mmm sex on legs!! |
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| 10:54.51 | juice` | i'm sure there are other modules than mod_throttle (closed project) or mod_bandwidth (old and only for 1.3) |
| 10:55.08 | cast | maybe ask in the apache channel then. |
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| 10:56.07 | roxy_ | wols: thanks. btw, how could I search for g++ ? I tried aptitude search g++ and it gives a lot of packages. I also tried g\+\+ but same result. |
| 10:56.34 | Arafangion | roxy_: Just do: apt-get install build-essential |
| 10:56.44 | Arafangion | roxy_: If you want to compile anything, that is. |
| 10:56.45 | roxy_ | Arafangion: I did and it worked. |
| 10:56.51 | wols | roxy_: apt-cache search g++ |grep g++ |
| 10:56.58 | roxy_ | wols: thanks |
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| 10:57.41 | Arafangion | roxy_: Well, now that you've got the problem fixed, I'm sure you'll continue to get 5 more responses telling you how to do it ;) |
| 10:58.29 | zefab | Hi all. I can't remind me how to find the installed version of a given package name using dpkg. Anyone could refresh my memory ? |
| 10:58.55 | wols | !ipw3945 |
| 10:58.55 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
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| 10:59.33 | ma3x | how would you specify 2 crontabs as following: crontab #1 every uneven day of month (1,3,5...), crontab #2 every even day of month (2,4,6...) ? |
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| 11:00.41 | cast | any ideas why man aptitude says \fBinstall\fR instead of whatever it should |
| 11:01.11 | liable | !ipw3945 is also <reply>, if you want a daemonless driver goto http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi hopefully to be included in the 2.6.22 kernel |
| 11:01.11 | dpkg | that's too long, liable |
| 11:01.20 | liable | stupid dpkg |
| 11:01.37 | zefab | got it. |
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| 11:07.08 | xand | O.o |
| 11:07.27 | liable | i just ate a nice meal! |
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| 11:07.49 | liable | !aww |
| 11:07.49 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
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| 11:08.09 | wols | Gigantic_: don't hug. just rub liable's belly. it's the common thing to do |
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| 11:08.20 | Gigantic_ | :o |
| 11:08.23 | liable | and i'll grant you a wish! |
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| 11:09.11 | wols | if you're unlucky, he just farts tho |
| 11:09.19 | cydork | heh |
| 11:09.29 | Gigantic_ | -.- |
| 11:09.44 | liable | hehe |
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| 11:11.30 | dutchfish | hi to all. I have been asked to give some guys a small intro into debian linux, is there any good newbie material for handouts i could use? |
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| 11:11.53 | liable | !refacrd |
| 11:11.56 | liable | doh |
| 11:11.59 | liable | !refcard |
| 11:11.59 | dpkg | i guess refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 11:12.27 | liable | or the reference |
| 11:12.34 | dutchfish | yes, but i meant more like a basic userguide |
| 11:13.13 | liable | dutchfish: /msg dpkg reference |
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| 11:14.13 | dutchfish | liable, yup that will do, thx! |
| 11:14.20 | liable | yw |
| 11:15.25 | liable | i need to find a bookshelf for my desk |
| 11:15.47 | dutchfish | last q, for today, is there any info on how to use smartcards for indentification on login? |
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| 11:23.16 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:23.16 | dpkg | hmm... qotd32 is <Sarvok> So i've just typed "dpkg-reconfigure kevix's" and it's the same thing : the bash have a line started with ">" and that all ! |
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| 11:23.58 | liable | around this time and for the next 8 hours or so usually |
| 11:24.06 | liable | fuck sake |
| 11:24.15 | Zvpun | where is saved whether the bios rtc runs on local time or utc time? |
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| 11:25.51 | tls_81 | hi, I have written a backup script using `tar` but my main worry was that it would mangle the symlinks that I have... googled it a bit and found some threads where there are reports of `tar` messing up symbolic links... any info? |
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| 11:27.04 | tls_81 | hi, I have written a backup script using `tar` but my main worry was that it would mangle the symlinks that I have... googled it a bit and found some threads where there are reports of `tar` messing up symbolic links... any info? |
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| 11:28.32 | frank | tls_81: why don't you simply try it? |
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| 11:29.11 | tls_81 | I have tried and i9t seems to work the script is in production... But am worried of the stability of it... |
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| 11:29.18 | ma3x | hey liable howdy |
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| 11:30.00 | tls_81 | frank: was just wondering if anyone here had had problems? |
| 11:30.09 | SF7 | I've got a 50 gigabyte XP partition, 70 gigs unused. how do I create a Debian partition and dualboot? |
| 11:30.24 | Zvpun | SF7: have you tried the installer? |
| 11:30.35 | tls_81 | its basically my /var/www/ is a symlink to /home/www/www just a bit worried for all my vitual hosts... |
| 11:30.39 | SF7 | I'm just checking whether the installer does this.. |
| 11:30.48 | cast | SF7: ahh, just use the 70gb. the installer will sort it out for you |
| 11:30.52 | tls_81 | *virtual |
| 11:30.53 | Zvpun | SF7: or are you asking how to resize the XP partition? |
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| 11:31.06 | SF7 | nono.. |
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| 11:31.40 | frank | Zvpun: did you check /etc/default/rcS ? |
| 11:32.17 | Zvpun | frank: thynk you |
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| 11:35.26 | shadey_ | I am having trouble using a sound device with VMWare. I have installed the sound driver/ALSA and "speaker-test" works... but I dont have a /dev/dsp and I'm not sure what device to use |
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| 11:38.23 | nvz | shadey_: you'd want to load snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss for /dev/dsp OSS Emulation |
| 11:38.47 | shadey_ | is there another device that I can use ? |
| 11:39.18 | nvz | shadey_: yep but I dont know what it is since alsa seems to have no means of standard device nodes its in /dev/snd/ somewhere |
| 11:39.26 | shadey_ | i see |
| 11:39.40 | shadey_ | i guess it's just easier to load thos OSS modules? |
| 11:39.51 | nvz | probably |
| 11:40.12 | nvz | they are actually alsa modules |
| 11:40.29 | nvz | they emulate OSS sound devices |
| 11:41.07 | frank | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.34 | shadey_ | nvz: ok, thanks |
| 11:41.43 | shadey_ | frank: i don't seem to have that :) |
| 11:42.01 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.24 | frank | :) |
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| 11:43.42 | shadey_ | nothing in /dev/snd seems to work |
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| 11:43.52 | nvz | actually feel like makin breakfast |
| 11:44.13 | nvz | surprising considering all that crap i made last night around midnight |
| 11:44.25 | ManuP | i have a directory with several text-files. i want to locat a specific string in the text files. i now that at least two files contain the string (i checked with cat * | grep mystring). but i dont know which file. |
| 11:44.31 | ManuP | how do i find out? |
| 11:44.40 | cahoot | rgrep ? |
| 11:44.51 | nvz | ManuP: thats silly, the cat is unneeded |
| 11:44.51 | ManuP | cahoot, what is that?? |
| 11:44.59 | ManuP | nvz, aha |
| 11:45.00 | scanf | hi I have an app on sarge that requires NPTL, which /lib/tls/libc.so.6 provides. How can I get the app to point to this libc rather than the default which only gives linuxthreads 0.1 |
| 11:45.03 | nvz | recursive grep |
| 11:45.05 | cahoot | recursive grep I guess |
| 11:45.08 | nvz | grep -r |
| 11:45.12 | ManuP | okay. |
| 11:45.23 | ManuP | and it gives the filename of the file? |
| 11:45.27 | ManuP | well, i will try. |
| 11:45.29 | cahoot | try |
| 11:45.40 | nvz | grep always gives the filename if you use it properly |
| 11:45.53 | nvz | syntax is grep pattern file not cat file | grep pattern |
| 11:45.56 | ManuP | ah.. tanks. |
| 11:46.15 | ManuP | it is even easier then with cat *... |
| 11:46.16 | frank | it's called useless use of cat otherwise ;) |
| 11:46.18 | ManuP | thanks. |
| 11:46.32 | nvz | cant hardly tell you the filename if you arent using files, you are using stdin |
| 11:46.39 | cahoot | catsusually are useless |
| 11:47.12 | nvz | dogs are useless, cats are cute and friendly |
| 11:47.24 | cahoot | cute but useless |
| 11:47.29 | ManuP | i thought sth. like "now searching file X: - \n now searching file Z: mystring found" etc... |
| 11:47.40 | ManuP | ^^ |
| 11:47.46 | nvz | well dogs arent useless they're just not the loyal pals people seem to think they are |
| 11:47.53 | frank | i doubt that watchdogs are useless ;) |
| 11:48.12 | ManuP | well, hot dogs aren't at all |
| 11:48.24 | DebianSarge | here does someone know itself well with debian out? please in qry |
| 11:48.25 | DebianSarge | announce.... IMPORTANTLY thanks in vorraus |
| 11:48.40 | nvz | they lack opposable thumbs and have been stripped of their instinct to hunt and kill so they need you, because you can operate a can opener.. thats about how far the loyalty goes |
| 11:49.00 | ManuP | *rofl* |
| 11:49.32 | alaya_ | DebianSarge: just ask your question |
| 11:49.37 | litage | is there a backport of wireless-tools from Lenny to Etch? i've looked on backports.org but am not sure.. |
| 11:49.44 | DebianSarge | i have an protocol ^^ |
| 11:49.47 | DebianSarge | ist long... |
| 11:49.56 | DebianSarge | its long :-9 |
| 11:50.03 | ManuP | DebianSarge, dann nutze pastebin.ca oder so. |
| 11:50.06 | alaya_ | DebianSarge: use a pastebin if its really long |
| 11:50.27 | nvz | hah |
| 11:50.30 | alaya_ | ja, ManuP hast recht |
| 11:50.44 | DebianSarge | alaya, kannst deutsch ?¿? |
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| 11:50.54 | nvz | someone makes a casual typo and suddenly were speaking deutsch? |
| 11:50.58 | alaya_ | ein bißchen |
| 11:51.14 | alaya_ | entschuldigung, nvz |
| 11:51.38 | nvz | shlong dingaling, to you too |
| 11:51.41 | DebianSarge | kann ich es dir schnell posten ?¿? |
| 11:51.42 | alaya_ | we can it nicht helfen |
| 11:51.48 | nvz | schlong digaling even |
| 11:52.04 | scanf | hi I have an app on sarge that requires NPTL, which /lib/tls/libc.so.6 provides. How can I get the app to use this libc rather than the default which only gives linuxthreads 0.1 Is there a switch or setting on application level I can set? |
| 11:52.13 | DebianSarge | *censored*:~# reboot |
| 11:52.14 | DebianSarge | Broadcast message from root (ttyS0) (Sat Jun 2 11:46:24 2007): |
| 11:52.14 | DebianSarge | The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
| 11:52.14 | DebianSarge | INIT: Sending processes the TERM signal |
| 11:52.14 | DebianSarge | *censored*:~# exit |
| 11:52.14 | DebianSarge | logout |
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| 11:52.20 | frank | there's also a german channel for debian |
| 11:52.21 | nvz | heh |
| 11:52.22 | alaya_ | nvz: hehe. it just means "sorry" |
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| 11:52.45 | DebianSarge | ist too long |
| 11:52.47 | DebianSarge | __journal_remove_journal_head: freeing b_committed_data |
| 11:52.49 | DebianSarge | [13:52:18] [DebianSarge] EXT3-fs error (device hda3) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
| 11:52.51 | DebianSarge | [13:52:18] [DebianSarge] EXT3-fs error (device hda3) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
| 11:52.54 | alaya_ | !pastebin |
| 11:52.54 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 11:52.57 | DebianSarge | what does it mean ?¿? |
| 11:53.01 | alaya_ | !de |
| 11:53.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 11:53.14 | ribbit | Does anyone know how i can avoid getting chars when pressing shift and right arrow under the screen program? I get this instead of a action it prints chars - "1;2C" and when i press alt + end i get "1;3F"... |
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| 11:56.52 | cahoot | ribbit: what does echo $TERM return? |
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| 11:57.09 | cast | hmm, how would i take the first 2M of X files and and call these new files cut-originalname |
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| 11:57.25 | cast | for i in *.mp3; do cat "$i"|dd count=2000 bs=1k > cut-"$i"; done for some reason didn't do it right |
| 11:57.34 | nvz | alaya_: ah I was tempted to say gesundheit I thought you were sneezing or something |
| 11:58.03 | cast | i tried count=2 bs=1M and for i in *.mp3; do bs=1M count=2 if="$i" of=cut-"$i"; done which didn't work either |
| 11:58.22 | ribbit | cahoot, echo $TERM - screen |
| 11:58.24 | chronographer | Hello Im looking for a way to share fiels from home so I can access them from Uni. Does anyone have a good idea on how to do this easily and securely? any links to goor reading on the subject wkould be appreciated =) |
| 11:58.33 | cast | chronographer: sftp |
| 11:58.42 | nvz | I find it most amusing in other languages when they have a two letter word that translates to a short story in another language, or vice versa |
| 11:58.52 | chronographer | ok. over ssh? |
| 11:58.57 | cahoot | ribbit: same here and I don't have your problem |
| 11:58.58 | alaya_ | nvz: lol |
| 11:59.08 | wols | chronographer: sshfs |
| 11:59.19 | cast | chronographer: yes, i don't mean ftp over ssh, but sftp which is ssh's version of ftp |
| 11:59.25 | chronographer | ok |
| 11:59.38 | cast | wols: unlikely he has root at uni though :\ |
| 11:59.40 | chronographer | whats the diff between sshfs and sftp? |
| 11:59.57 | chronographer | nope need an exe at uni or a web protocol |
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| 12:00.10 | wols | cast: depends if he uses his own notebook to go on the internet at uni |
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| 12:00.15 | ribbit | cahoot, do you have the same encoding in your .screenrc as me? I have: defutf8 on |
| 12:00.21 | chronographer | got xp to work with (i take portable apps firefox in with me tho ;-) |
| 12:00.23 | wols | chronographer: sftp and filezilla |
| 12:00.43 | cahoot | ribbit: yes - I doubt it has anything to do with utf though |
| 12:00.48 | chronographer | ok cool. so I set up a server this side, and filezilla to it from uni? |
| 12:00.55 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 12:00.56 | wols | yes |
| 12:01.05 | wols | install ssh |
| 12:01.09 | chronographer | nice.. man sftp will help? |
| 12:01.19 | wols | no. reading the filzilla docs will |
| 12:01.28 | ribbit | cahoot, im using a swedish keyboard it might be that? |
| 12:01.28 | chronographer | ok np |
| 12:01.34 | cahoot | samma här |
| 12:01.44 | chronographer | filezilla will run portable apps style won't it? |
| 12:01.54 | cast | chronographer: if you can using svn is how i keep my uni work coherent amount 5 different computers |
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| 12:02.07 | wols | yes. but this is OT |
| 12:02.11 | cahoot | ribbit: det har jag med |
| 12:03.00 | chronographer | i doubt I could use svn at uni? I haven't used it much either... don't really know how it works |
| 12:03.03 | ribbit | cahoot, ok bra, but no other suggesions then? |
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| 12:03.23 | cahoot | ribbit: no beyond my competence |
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| 12:03.29 | g00se | cast: for f in $(ls *.txt); do dd if=$f of=cut-$f bs=1024 count=1;done |
| 12:03.51 | g00se | (With obvious adjustements) |
| 12:03.53 | ribbit | cahoot, thank you for your time |
| 12:04.35 | me_here | why is compiling kernel source complaining that it cant't write to lib/modules cause it's mount ro, though it's mounted rw ?? |
| 12:05.23 | cast | g00se: well you can just go for f in *.txt, but aside from that your example will take a dump if there are spaces etc... in filenames |
| 12:05.34 | cast | now thats a thought. ill just remove the spaces! |
| 12:05.50 | g00se | *I* know that. *You* know that |
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| 12:08.28 | cast | so why did you reiterate the already broken way i had tried :\ |
| 12:08.45 | g00se | It works fine for me ;-) |
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| 12:09.21 | spheard | can I use sql in bash scripts? |
| 12:09.25 | cast | touch ha\ ha.txt |
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| 12:10.55 | cahoot | cast: replace spaces f ex like: mv "$i" `echo $i | tr ' ' '_' ` |
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| 12:12.01 | cast | rename 's/\ /_/g' * is a bit nicer :P |
| 12:12.19 | cahoot | hrmmph |
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| 12:16.19 | asg | bpun: You can (I doing so on a 2G usb stick) but I expect that for a long term solution, you probably want drive based storage. |
| 12:16.27 | jonny_ | Errrr,Hello |
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| 12:17.52 | cast | right, windows/nix question. can windows xp extract zipfiles created with zip? |
| 12:18.04 | Gigantic_ | yes |
| 12:18.04 | jonny_ | I Was wandering if anyone could help me get my wireless working? |
| 12:18.23 | jonny_ | Im new to Debian only just installed it for my first time |
| 12:18.41 | alaya_ | Jonny: man interfaces. man iwconfig |
| 12:19.02 | liable | i can understand the vap name changing, but the base device name has me stumped |
| 12:19.13 | liable | sheesh |
| 12:19.27 | liable | i need to hit myself over the head next time i do that |
| 12:19.30 | alaya_ | Jonny: iwconfig is for manually configing the card, putting info in interfaces file is for automatic |
| 12:19.40 | wols | jonny_: what chipset is it? |
| 12:19.51 | jonny_ | Well, to be honest i have no idea... |
| 12:20.03 | jonny_ | just brought this laptop a couple of days ago and it had a dodgy copy of windows on it |
| 12:20.04 | wols | pci,usb,pcmcia? |
| 12:20.13 | liable | lspci |
| 12:20.40 | wols | run lspci |
| 12:20.41 | jonny_ | k |
| 12:20.41 | Gigantic_ | if internal |
| 12:20.41 | liable | look for ethernet controller |
| 12:20.41 | jonny_ | 02:03.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05 |
| 12:20.49 | wols | !ipw2200 |
| 12:20.49 | dpkg | methinks ipw2200 is available in etch or kernels >= 2.6.15. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 12:20.55 | liable | jonny_: your in luck |
| 12:20.59 | jonny_ | :O |
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| 12:21.28 | liable | jonny_: all you need is to get the firmware, put it in /lib/firmware and it should work |
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| 12:21.43 | jonny_ | lol... |
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| 12:21.50 | Tanaka | hi all |
| 12:21.55 | Gigantic_ | jonny_: Ignore me |
| 12:22.09 | liable | jonny_: nevermind, its a reference to an earlier comment of mine ;) |
| 12:22.34 | Gigantic_ | jonny_: was a joke shouldn't have said, I'm sleepy :| |
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| 12:22.55 | liable | litage: is the module loaded and wlan0 exists? |
| 12:23.02 | jonny_ | firmware 3.0? |
| 12:23.02 | liable | goddam |
| 12:23.14 | bagoor | Is there anybody here who tried to install TRAC on Debian Etch ? or maybe Debian Sarge ? |
| 12:23.32 | alaya_ | ipw2100's like to be called eth1 for some reason |
| 12:23.38 | alaya_ | i think its in the driver |
| 12:24.04 | alaya_ | even if you edit the udev rules, if you remove and re-insert the module it will come up as eth1 |
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| 12:29.56 | Tanaka | i am trying to install debian using the testing netinst cd, but the installer says that there is no DHCP server but my router is set to DHCP |
| 12:29.56 | bagoor | Tanaka: it doesn't detect your NIC, maybe |
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| 12:29.58 | pmjdebruijn | hi |
| 12:29.59 | pmjdebruijn | I just installed texlive, but where can I put user specific stuff? |
| 12:29.59 | bagoor | pmjdebruijn: r u indian ? |
| 12:29.59 | pmjdebruijn | ~/.texlive2007 doesn't seem to work |
| 12:30.40 | pmjdebruijn | bagoor, no? |
| 12:30.40 | Tanaka | bagoor, it listed my nic before dhcp scan |
| 12:30.40 | jonny_ | mhm im confused |
| 12:30.40 | jonny_ | o.o |
| 12:30.40 | bagoor | pmjdebruijn: ok, because your ID was looks like them :P |
| 12:30.41 | pmjdebruijn | ok? |
| 12:30.41 | jonny_ | For you guys what my problem is, Is proberly a peice of cake for you =D |
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| 12:30.41 | bagoor | Tanaka: you can use alt+f2 |
| 12:30.41 | bagoor | Tanaka: then try dhclient |
| 12:30.41 | Tanaka | ok |
| 12:30.42 | bagoor | jonny_: I like cake :) What's ur problem ? |
| 12:30.42 | Tanaka | any other ideas |
| 12:30.42 | jonny_ | Well |
| 12:30.43 | jonny_ | Wait gimme a sec lost the error |
| 12:30.43 | jonny_ | rofl |
| 12:30.43 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
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| 12:30.43 | jonny_ | was i ment to download firmware? |
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| 12:30.44 | bagoor | jonny_: ? |
| 12:30.46 | jonny_ | I downloaded it and someone said about putting it in /lib/firmware |
| 12:30.46 | SoulChild | HI all.I need help with the grub installation, whenever i install a new kernel grub puts (hd0,1) isntead of (hd0,3), how can i fix this permanently |
| 12:30.46 | liable | jonny_: yes |
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| 12:30.47 | bagoor | jonny_, ok, then ? |
| 12:30.47 | tarzeau | SoulChild: in the menu.lst ? |
| 12:30.53 | jonny_ | Computer->FileSystem right? |
| 12:30.53 | SoulChild | tarzeau: yes |
| 12:30.56 | me_here | my linker is nuts |
| 12:30.57 | liable | jonny_: you download it from the sourceforge sit, and you'll prolly need to unzip it |
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| 12:31.06 | tarzeau | SoulChild: etch or sid? check BTS? |
| 12:31.12 | me_here | ldconfig -c old -r / did it |
| 12:31.15 | SoulChild | tarzeau: etch |
| 12:31.16 | jonny_ | i got 4 files from the sourceforge site |
| 12:31.17 | me_here | bah |
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| 12:31.23 | SoulChild | tarzeau: BTS? |
| 12:31.38 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 12:31.38 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 12:32.16 | jonny_ | Do i extract the files into /lib/firmware? |
| 12:32.19 | liable | jonny_: why 4? |
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| 12:32.37 | jonny_ | Well i went to http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ and clicked FirmWare amongst the top |
| 12:32.54 | SoulChild | tarzeau: The problem is, that i change my fileystem since firs grub install, and now i don't know how to refresh, grub install hd0 doesn't work |
| 12:32.57 | bagoor | SoulChild: maybe by changing /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 12:33.05 | SoulChild | bagoor: i ll try |
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| 12:33.19 | larsl | Konqueror can't browse the web after the last testing updates. |
| 12:33.25 | liable | jonny_: just v3 firmware |
| 12:33.31 | larsl | "An error occurred while loading http://slashdot.org: |
| 12:33.31 | larsl | The process for the http://slashdot.org protocol died unexpectedly." |
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| 12:33.37 | jonny_ | yeah |
| 12:33.38 | larsl | The same for all web pages. |
| 12:33.40 | jonny_ | i downloaded that one |
| 12:34.05 | jonny_ | now i got a folder with 4 files inside it |
| 12:34.16 | SoulChild | bagoor: no,... after grub install still (hd0,1) as root partition |
| 12:34.28 | wols | larsl: start X via startx. look in the console what errors the kio_slave spits out |
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| 12:34.47 | liable | jonny_: is there a ucode file? |
| 12:35.14 | jonny_ | nop |
| 12:35.16 | bagoor | SoulChild: As I told you, you may change this file, not executing it |
| 12:35.28 | SoulChild | bagoor: ahh ok ,.. |
| 12:35.28 | larsl | wols: I get 'ASSERT: "!icon.isEmpty()" in /tmp/buildd/kdebase-3.5.5a.dfsg.1/./libkonq/konq_pixmapprovider.cc (81)' in the terminal that starts konqueror. |
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| 12:36.34 | ransu75 | Hello, I have a laptop with an US keyboard and my os in English. I would like to keep this keyboard mapping but display in the console/terminal mode the French characters ? |
| 12:36.40 | jonny_ | There is no uCode file |
| 12:37.12 | SoulChild | Anyone else an idea why grub writes wrong root partition to menu.lst??? |
| 12:37.34 | jonny_ | SoulChild: Havnt got a clue, only just got Debian for my first time today :/ |
| 12:37.46 | Nielsen | SoulChild: did grub make the menu, or did you? |
| 12:37.58 | liable | jonny_: what files are there? |
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| 12:38.07 | SoulChild | Nielsen: grub did,... but i always have to correct the root partitoin |
| 12:38.17 | jonny_ | ipw2200-bss.fw |
| 12:38.20 | jonny_ | ipw2200-ibss.fw |
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| 12:38.28 | Nielsen | SoulChild: did you verify device.map? |
| 12:38.30 | jonny_ | ipw2200-sniffer.fw |
| 12:38.31 | cahoot | ransu75: what if you export LANGUAGE=fr_FR in the terminal? |
| 12:38.32 | lord_rob | Hello ! How can I configure my routing tables on a debian system ? Permanently I mean |
| 12:38.38 | jonny_ | LICENSE.ipw2200-fw |
| 12:38.44 | jonny_ | only them 4 files |
| 12:38.49 | SoulChild | Nielsen: the only thing in device.map is (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 12:38.55 | wols | lord_rob: man interfaces |
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| 12:39.05 | lord_rob | ok thanks wols |
| 12:39.19 | liable | jonny_: stick the three .fw files in /lib/firmware |
| 12:39.24 | ransu75 | I'm going to try now to see how it is |
| 12:39.39 | jonny_ | so i leave out license? |
| 12:39.39 | Nielsen | SoulChild: and linux is on hd0,0 or hd0,1? |
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| 12:40.01 | SoulChild | Nielsen: it s on (hd0,3) but grub always puts (hd0,1) |
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| 12:40.33 | desiderato[perci | ciao |
| 12:40.35 | liable | jonny_: no need for that, its just a text file |
| 12:40.39 | wols | SoulChild: what is your / in linux? hda4? |
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| 12:40.57 | SoulChild | wols: hda4, yes |
| 12:40.57 | jonny_ | It says i dont have permission to write to this folder |
| 12:41.10 | liable | jonny_: you need to copy them over as root |
| 12:41.22 | ransu75 | cahoot: it doesn't work |
| 12:41.35 | jonny_ | how would i do that?=P |
| 12:41.37 | jonny_ | Sorry for this >.< |
| 12:41.38 | cahoot | error or just no effect? |
| 12:42.03 | jonny_ | im making your life hell :< |
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| 12:42.19 | wols | SoulChild: paste your menu.lst |
| 12:42.41 | liable | jonny_: a quick google will explain all. you will get used to finding things out this way ;) |
| 12:42.41 | ransu75 | no effect , because I tried fortune in french and I have still some strange letters instead the accent letters |
| 12:42.49 | wols | jonny_: su |
| 12:42.50 | jonny_ | dang |
| 12:42.53 | jonny_ | k |
| 12:42.55 | jonny_ | i used su before |
| 12:42.56 | jonny_ | lo |
| 12:43.04 | jonny_ | on terminal |
| 12:43.19 | cahoot | ransu75: try export LC_CTYPE=fr_FR in the terminal |
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| 12:43.24 | jonny_ | but is there a command to move them to /lib/firmware? |
| 12:43.34 | wols | jonny_: man mv |
| 12:43.41 | liable | or cp |
| 12:43.45 | wols | or man cp |
| 12:44.34 | ransu75 | cahoot: still no effect |
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| 12:44.45 | liable | jonny_: cd into the dir with the files, cp *.fw /lib/firmware |
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| 12:44.53 | cahoot | ransu75: mal |
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| 12:46.13 | ransu75 | cahoot: sorry what do you mean by mal ? |
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| 12:47.45 | liable | mike and mal, travelled all over the country side, ask the leyland brothers! |
| 12:48.07 | cahoot | ransu75: frech for bad - no? |
| 12:48.10 | cahoot | meh |
| 12:48.29 | liable | nein! |
| 12:48.52 | SoulChild | wols:root (hd0,1);kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.21-1-686 root=/dev/hda4 ro;initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.21-1-686 |
| 12:48.53 | ransu75 | cahoot: no nothing happened |
| 12:49.26 | cahoot | ransu75: yes I saw that - sorry |
| 12:49.28 | wols | SoulChild: that's not what I asked |
| 12:49.37 | lord_rob | wols: /etc/network/interfaces defines (would've guessed) network interface cards, not network routing tables. The network interface card does not belong to the same layer as the the network routing, so it is not logical that the routing information be in this file, don't you think ? |
| 12:49.40 | SoulChild | wols: what did u ment |
| 12:49.44 | SoulChild | mean |
| 12:49.52 | wols | SoulChild: I meant I want to see your menu.lst |
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| 12:50.04 | wols | lord_rob: it does define it |
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| 12:50.23 | lord_rob | mea culpa then |
| 12:50.49 | cahoot | ransu75: locale in the terminal displays what? (pastebin) |
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| 12:51.39 | Haris | Hello folks |
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| 12:51.49 | Haris | Where's the /etc/default/useradd on debian? |
| 12:52.04 | wols | Haris: locate useradd, locate adduser |
| 12:52.09 | Haris | 3.1 |
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| 12:52.23 | SoulChild | !pastbin |
| 12:52.28 | Haris | have the binary, not the defaults file |
| 12:52.40 | Eulex | Haris, you're asking what package that file is in? |
| 12:52.45 | wols | !paster |
| 12:52.45 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 12:52.58 | ransu75 | language and lc_type have the values fr_FR and for the rest it's en.US.UTF-8 |
| 12:53.05 | Haris | Eulex: That also |
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| 12:53.28 | wols | !tell haris about search |
| 12:53.57 | SoulChild | wols: here is my menu.lst http://paste.lisp.org/display/42148 |
| 12:54.14 | me_here | how do i link my sys libs to old versions ? it's got 2.5.so's but that's causing problems |
| 12:54.17 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
| 12:54.21 | me_here | do i have to manually relink ?? |
| 12:54.35 | cahoot | ransu75: LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" has no problems displaying swedich chars like å |
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| 12:55.42 | wols | SoulChild: # groot=(hd0,1) |
| 12:55.57 | wols | SoulChild: for thorught explanation: man update-grub |
| 12:56.01 | abrotman | hi |
| 12:56.10 | SoulChild | wols: thanks,.. i ll try |
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| 12:57.54 | SoulChild | wols: thanks, problem solved |
| 12:58.07 | jonny_ | cant belive how much trouble im having |
| 12:58.07 | jonny_ | o.o |
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| 12:58.28 | wols | jonny_: cause you're new and don't know what you are doing |
| 12:58.29 | ransu75 | yes but what about for french. Kmow that my keyboard on my laptop is english but my external keyboard is Swedish/fin and I have no problem to display the swedish. letters |
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| 13:00.03 | cahoot | ransu75: I see - I thought the utf-8 part also encompassed 'french' chars - my bad |
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| 13:00.28 | ransu75 | I thought also :) |
| 13:00.54 | wols | ransu75: what font do you use? |
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| 13:01.13 | cahoot | köper ny hd |
| 13:01.28 | cahoot | wrong chan |
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| 13:02.39 | lu-bao | somebody maybe knows how to uninstall something installed before through Wine ? or can i just remove the folder inside .wine/drive_c/programs ? |
| 13:02.43 | Tanaka | hi, again |
| 13:02.54 | ransu75 | the last test was with LAT15-terminusboldvga16 |
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| 13:03.13 | jonny_ | k who was helping me earlier? |
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| 13:03.32 | Tanaka | bagoor, dhclient said that there are no dhcpoffers |
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| 13:03.47 | jonny_ | Liable: i added those things finally =D |
| 13:03.56 | Nenillo | hi, is there any way to forece my ethernet card to 10Mbps? |
| 13:04.24 | VaHSi_GuZeL | hi |
| 13:04.25 | jakub_ | yes |
| 13:04.28 | liable | jonny_: ;), now load the module |
| 13:04.35 | jakub_ | hi |
| 13:04.40 | jakub_ | i have IRDA port by COM port |
| 13:04.41 | liable | jonny_: modprobe ipw2200 |
| 13:04.46 | jakub_ | and TV remote controller :-) |
| 13:04.49 | me_here | libs from gentoo, kernel from knoppix and packages from debian |
| 13:04.51 | jakub_ | i want to use play/ stop in amarok by this |
| 13:04.52 | VaHSi_GuZeL | where are u from |
| 13:04.53 | jakub_ | it`s possible ? |
| 13:04.54 | me_here | oh man i'm havin fun here |
| 13:04.55 | xingu | Nenillo: ethtool or mii-tool depending. |
| 13:04.56 | VaHSi_GuZeL | ayy bura neresi |
| 13:05.02 | wols | Nenillo: ethtool |
| 13:05.03 | Nenillo | thanks xingu |
| 13:05.06 | me_here | lol |
| 13:05.06 | wols | !find ethtool |
| 13:05.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ethtool' (5 of 24): (/usr/sbin/ethtool) in utils/ethtool ;; (/usr/lib/klibc/include/linux/ethtool.h) in libdevel/libklibc-dev ;; (/usr/i386-uclibc-linux/include/linux/ethtool.h) in libdevel/libuclibc-dev ;; (/usr/include/linux/ethtool.h) in devel/linux-kernel-headers,devel/linux-libc-dev ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-1/include/linux/ethtool.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.20-1. |
| 13:05.44 | jonny_ | k |
| 13:05.52 | jonny_ | do i need to be in root? |
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| 13:06.07 | liable | jonny_: yes |
| 13:06.08 | wols | jonny_: of course |
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| 13:06.49 | jonny_ | nothing happend...:S |
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| 13:07.41 | Tanaka | is there any hardware detection difference with testing netinst cd & the testing weekly build cds when installing |
| 13:07.49 | roxy_ | I know the chipset of my wireless card (intel 3945ABG). What is the next step to get it working ? |
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| 13:08.01 | xingu | !ipw3945 |
| 13:08.01 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 13:08.28 | roxy_ | xingu: thanks |
| 13:08.30 | jonny_ | Liable: nothing happend once i done wrote in that :S |
| 13:09.00 | liable | jonny_: no output is a good sign in linux ;) |
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| 13:09.10 | jonny_ | ok... |
| 13:09.15 | liable | jonny_: if it gives output its usually an error |
| 13:09.20 | jonny_ | but it still says wired connection only |
| 13:09.37 | jonny_ | would i need a restart? |
| 13:09.40 | liable | jonny_: do you have wireless-tools installed? |
| 13:09.42 | ma3x | when I copy a file to a directory, how can I add it a date/time prefix? |
| 13:10.06 | jonny_ | oh thats what my friend ment by them... |
| 13:10.10 | jonny_ | he mentioned it |
| 13:10.14 | jonny_ | but said it wouldnt matter |
| 13:10.17 | jonny_ | then went offline -_- |
| 13:10.25 | liable | you need that package |
| 13:10.30 | zirikili | Hi all... what if I keep my system as stable at sources.list ? what will happen when lenny become stable? |
| 13:10.45 | wols | zirikili: you update to lenny then |
| 13:11.04 | Tanaka | can anyone tell me how to connect to my router for network installation of debian |
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| 13:11.16 | zirikili | wols: does it happen when I do a common updade && upgrade ? |
| 13:11.27 | abrotman | ma3x: try #bash |
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| 13:11.55 | jonny_ | Well since i dont have the disc for this Wireless , isit the end of the world for me?=D |
| 13:12.13 | liable | jonny_: what disk? |
| 13:12.21 | jonny_ | my Wireless Disk |
| 13:12.26 | jonny_ | for my Wireless Card |
| 13:12.43 | liable | jonny_: you just need to install wireless-tools from the debian repos |
| 13:12.53 | jonny_ | ahh ok, i might be thinking for my computer then |
| 13:12.54 | liable | jonny_: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 13:13.07 | wols | zirikili: I just told you |
| 13:13.13 | jonny_ | it says its allready the newest version |
| 13:13.25 | jonny_ | wireless-tools is already the newest version. |
| 13:13.44 | liable | jonny_: ok, when you run iwconfig does it show info? |
| 13:14.01 | jonny_ | err |
| 13:14.05 | jonny_ | no wireless extensions |
| 13:14.11 | jonny_ | o.0 |
| 13:14.27 | liable | jonny_: run dmesg and see what it says at the end |
| 13:14.42 | jonny_ | very last line? |
| 13:14.44 | liable | jonny_: better yet, paste it |
| 13:14.50 | liable | the last 50 lines |
| 13:14.53 | jonny_ | o.0 |
| 13:15.01 | jonny_ | should i PM them? its gonna be long |
| 13:15.05 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:15.06 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 13:15.06 | liable | !paste |
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| 13:16.45 | jonny_ | http://rafb.net/p/UJ9SP478.html |
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| 13:18.25 | liable | jonny_: module isnt loaded, do you see it in lsmod? |
| 13:18.30 | xingu | any prizes for guessing what "ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2" might mean |
| 13:18.59 | jonny_ | ipw2200 93824 0 |
| 13:19.01 | liable | heh, i didnt look that far up, he must have rebooted |
| 13:19.12 | jonny_ | i havnt rebooted today |
| 13:19.13 | jonny_ | o.0 |
| 13:19.30 | xingu | !ipw2200 |
| 13:19.30 | dpkg | methinks ipw2200 is available in etch or kernels >= 2.6.15. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
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| 13:19.47 | xingu | !ipw2200 firmware |
| 13:19.47 | dpkg | [ipw2200 firmware] If your kernel is < 2.6.15, make sure you have the ipw2200 module installed. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download firmware that matches your driver version. Put the firmware into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. |
| 13:20.06 | jonny_ | should i do |
| 13:20.14 | jonny_ | /sbin/modinfo ipw2200? |
| 13:20.36 | hark | did you extract the firmware to /lib/firmware/ ? |
| 13:20.40 | xingu | I think the odds are fantastically good that you need to get the firmware and put it in /lib/firmware personally |
| 13:20.52 | liable | he did |
| 13:21.01 | liable | thats from booting without it |
| 13:21.01 | jonny_ | i done that |
| 13:21.16 | jonny_ | took me like 30 mins just to get them into firmware rofl =D |
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| 13:21.29 | liable | jonny_: double check and make sure the firmware is in /lib/firmware |
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| 13:21.53 | jonny_ | yes |
| 13:21.55 | jonny_ | the 3 files |
| 13:21.56 | hark | so, you have the .fw files in there, not in a dir under that |
| 13:21.56 | jonny_ | are in there |
| 13:22.05 | jonny_ | 3 .fw files |
| 13:22.12 | jonny_ | bbs,ibbs,sniffer |
| 13:22.17 | jonny_ | ipw2200 before each one |
| 13:22.41 | xingu | jonny_: try rmmod ipw2200; modprobe ipw2200 |
| 13:23.19 | jonny_ | nothing came up(good?) |
| 13:23.27 | jonny_ | OMG |
| 13:23.29 | jonny_ | WIRELESS IS ON |
| 13:23.30 | jonny_ | THANKS! |
| 13:23.40 | jonny_ | You Guys Rox =D |
| 13:23.57 | roxy_ | xingu: Error could not find Intel/Pro wireless 3945ABG Network Connection |
| 13:24.10 | jonny_ | im gonna stay active in here |
| 13:24.16 | jonny_ | and try learn about others experiences |
| 13:24.18 | xingu | roxy_: is your wireless enable switch switched on? |
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| 13:24.36 | roxy_ | xingu: it is enable in the bios. Where else could I look ? |
| 13:24.41 | nvz | jonny_: i hope you dont have a life |
| 13:24.44 | xingu | roxy_: most ipw3945 designs have an external slider or pushbutton switch to enable/disable |
| 13:24.57 | nvz | jonny_: I did that like 6 years ago.. and look at me, I'm still here |
| 13:26.08 | jonny_ | hahaha |
| 13:26.10 | jonny_ | well |
| 13:26.12 | jonny_ | ill brb |
| 13:26.15 | jonny_ | switching to wireless |
| 13:26.18 | jonny_ | im stuck in the SPARE BEDROOM |
| 13:26.20 | liable | jonny_: and he hasnt showered in all that time |
| 13:26.21 | nvz | and pressing enter a lot |
| 13:26.24 | jonny_ | its the only spare ethernet cable |
| 13:26.31 | jonny_ | hahaa |
| 13:26.43 | nvz | liable: heh I was going to mention the stench and beard to my knees |
| 13:26.45 | xingu | so own up, who made the mistake of helping nvz six years back? |
| 13:26.51 | jonny_ | Debian seems nice...but i wish the mouse wasnt so slow, mines up as fast as it goes |
| 13:26.55 | nvz | liable: I figured might as well not scare people off |
| 13:27.00 | roxy_ | xingu: there is but both way gives same result. Should I do something between switch and running ipw3945d ? |
| 13:27.30 | liable | nvz: scaring new users is the #debian way! |
| 13:27.34 | xingu | roxy_: rmmod ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945 |
| 13:27.42 | nvz | a mouse need only be as fast as the cat chasing it.. apt-get install oneko |
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| 13:28.05 | jonny__ | yay wireless |
| 13:28.23 | abrotman | overrated! |
| 13:28.24 | jonny__ | you guys a great....Thanks! |
| 13:28.47 | jonny__ | my hostname?;o |
| 13:28.54 | abrotman | --> jonny__ (n=jonny@AC8EC12C.ipt.aol.com) has joined #debian |
| 13:28.54 | jonny__ | im on a neighbours net |
| 13:28.56 | jonny__ | xDDD |
| 13:29.01 | xingu | abrotman: 802.11n is tolerable. :) |
| 13:29.06 | nvz | .ipt.aol.com |
| 13:29.09 | jonny__ | i use it like a proxy |
| 13:29.09 | jonny__ | =P |
| 13:29.11 | ransu75 | cahoot and wols still here ? |
| 13:29.12 | asg | jonny__: are you still using mIRC in wine or was that someone else from last night? |
| 13:29.23 | jonny__ | asg: i only installed debian tody |
| 13:29.24 | abrotman | xingu: i'm on 11b .. can't complain too much |
| 13:29.26 | jonny__ | today* |
| 13:29.35 | asg | jonny__: ah, nevermind then. |
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| 13:30.10 | nvz | jonny_: yeah well if thats not your ISP and you are using it by choice as a proxy I'd stop doing that.. sometimes we just like to ban all of AOL just for the hell of it |
| 13:30.23 | jonny__ | omg |
| 13:30.24 | jonny__ | loll |
| 13:30.26 | nvz | heh |
| 13:30.26 | jonny__ | but |
| 13:30.30 | jonny__ | itl have to wait ;'( |
| 13:30.34 | roxy_ | xingu: Module ipw3945 not found (I did install the 3 packages you showed me previously) |
| 13:30.34 | jonny__ | i cant get my WEP key |
| 13:30.35 | jonny__ | right now |
| 13:31.03 | nvz | can you reach the , . ? ! keys? |
| 13:31.08 | jonny__ | gonna install debian on my computer |
| 13:31.15 | jonny__ | my computer doesnt have a operating system on it |
| 13:31.17 | xingu | roxy_: what does uname -r say |
| 13:31.17 | nvz | cause it seems like you are using enter in place of them. |
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| 13:31.48 | roxy_ | xingu: 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 13:32.21 | jonny__ | i heard Wine was a good programme, what does it do? |
| 13:32.33 | abrotman | !wine |
| 13:32.34 | dpkg | well, wine is packaged in the wine package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 13:32.49 | jonny__ | LOL |
| 13:32.52 | nvz | jonny_: its not a programme, its a collection of libraries mostly. Its a complete rewrite of the win32 API |
| 13:32.54 | jonny__ | i love what it stands for |
| 13:33.29 | jonny__ | would it work to play online games? |
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| 13:33.58 | nvz | jonny_: you really need to stop with the usage of enter for punctuation and the excessive use of AOLisms omfg lol k plz stfu thx.. unless you want to find out how serious I was about the frequency of bans on all of AOL :P |
| 13:34.23 | nvz | this isnt teen chat on AOL, ffs heh |
| 13:34.27 | jonny__ | ok(unplugs keyboard) |
| 13:34.37 | asg | nvz: sure seems like it most of the time |
| 13:34.47 | xingu | roxy_: how about apt-cache show ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 | grep Depends |
| 13:34.55 | nvz | asg: na, thats #freenode-social |
| 13:35.02 | jonny__ | im actually on BT...Just that im too lazy to go and get my WEP Key |
| 13:35.08 | SamuraiDio | is there some gui app to edit deb menus? |
| 13:35.31 | xingu | SamuraiDio: nvi in an xterm |
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| 13:36.05 | abrotman | in gnoem you can edit menus . i'm sure in kde too |
| 13:36.19 | SamuraiDio | i said a gui app |
| 13:36.23 | nvz | I never did understand why it'd be such a crime for these DEs to just have drag&drop menu editing |
| 13:36.27 | liable | i think it has spell checkers too! |
| 13:36.31 | nvz | SamuraiDio: xterm is a gui |
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| 13:36.37 | jakub_ | hello |
| 13:36.42 | jakub_ | can someone help me with lirc ? |
| 13:36.50 | jakub_ | i using irda from pinnacle |
| 13:36.54 | jakub_ | on windows it`s work |
| 13:37.00 | lambda_ | Hi everybody |
| 13:37.01 | jakub_ | how to configure it by lirc ?;\ |
| 13:37.17 | nvz | SamuraiDio: perhaps what you mean is WYSIWYG |
| 13:37.22 | SamuraiDio | sure |
| 13:37.33 | jonny__ | What web browser would you suggest i use? |
| 13:37.40 | roxy_ | xingu: depends on the ipw3945 driver |
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| 13:38.08 | asg | jonny__: if you have to ask, start with iceweasel |
| 13:38.11 | xingu | roxy_: yes but I want the output from that to determine if the dpkg hint has left you with a driver that is usable by your current kernel |
| 13:38.28 | xingu | roxy_: it should match the uname -r release string iow |
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| 13:39.03 | liable | just build it from the source package with m-a |
| 13:39.34 | knoxy | hi all.. How can I do to connect to *.DBF using unixodbc ?? it's possible on linux? |
| 13:39.46 | xingu | hmm, poop. |
| 13:39.57 | nvz | jonny__: whichever one you want. lynx, links, links2, w3m, epiphany, konqueror, iceweasel, mozilla, galeon, chimera2, icescape, surfraw.. |
| 13:40.00 | abrotman | don't tell us .. just go do it! |
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| 13:40.13 | jonny__ | im using Epiphany right now, the first one i found |
| 13:40.13 | abrotman | knoxy: a dbaseIV file ? |
| 13:40.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | I installed Splashy from Sid. How do I make it start with init? |
| 13:40.25 | knoxy | abrotman, yes |
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| 13:40.43 | asg | Dark_Apostrophe: did you read the instructions? |
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| 13:40.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | asg: Umm... there are instructions? |
| 13:41.07 | asg | Dark_Apostrophe: /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 13:41.08 | jakub_ | lircd-0.8.0[26896]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc |
| 13:41.08 | jakub_ | lircd-0.8.0[26896]: default_init(): No such file or directory |
| 13:41.08 | jakub_ | lircd-0.8.0[26896]: caught signal |
| 13:41.17 | jakub_ | this error it write to me |
| 13:41.17 | abrotman | knoxy: you might have better luck converting it to something useful |
| 13:41.44 | abrotman | knoxy: or check freshmeat |
| 13:41.46 | asg | Dark_Apostrophe: there's also http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/doku.php |
| 13:41.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 13:41.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thanks |
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| 13:41.58 | SamuraiDio | jonny__, iceweasel lighter as epiphany, has the same renderer, and variuos improvements |
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| 13:42.49 | xingu | here's a tip, don't use rm -rf in /var/lib/schroot/mount |
| 13:42.56 | SamuraiDio | jonny__, if you want a light weight i would suggets opera, but it takes an amont of memory after a time... |
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| 13:43.06 | jonny__ | ;o |
| 13:43.09 | roxy____ | xingu: the exact output is: This package depends on the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (ipw3945) driver |
| 13:43.12 | jonny__ | i only got a 40gig harddrive on this |
| 13:43.17 | jonny__ | only 31gig left right now |
| 13:43.25 | asg | jonny__: 40gig is more than you'll ever likely need |
| 13:43.31 | xingu | roxy_: uppercase D in Depends |
| 13:43.33 | nvz | !dstats etch |
| 13:43.39 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18601 packages, 1728 maintainers, 41697 MB installed size, 13733 MB compressed size. |
| 13:43.47 | phogg | jonny__: epiphany is not a very good browser. The rendering engine is fine, but the rest is very feature-limited. Use anything else. |
| 13:43.56 | Denja | How should i partition the HD, gonna use Debian for regular sufing\e-mail, some different musical and graphical programs, and maybe som 3d playing. |
| 13:44.03 | knoxy | abrotman, but.. is impossible to use *.dbf with unixodbc? |
| 13:44.06 | roxy____ | xingu: Depends: ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 13:44.11 | nvz | jonny__: seems all of debian etch has an installed size of about 40gb and its physically impossible to install all packages |
| 13:44.13 | asg | Denja: the installation manual has suggestions |
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| 13:44.30 | xingu | roxy____: ok; find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ -name ipw3945.ko |
| 13:44.35 | Denja | ok, i find it t forums? |
| 13:44.40 | samesame | Denja: studio64 might be the distro for you? |
| 13:44.41 | abrotman | knoxy: NFC .. read its docs |
| 13:44.46 | asg | nvz: logically impossible, one could physically install them with ease. |
| 13:44.54 | knoxy | abrotman, where? google? |
| 13:45.07 | abrotman | the website? /usr/share/doc/ ? |
| 13:45.07 | roxy____ | xingu: nothing |
| 13:45.10 | nvz | asg: Yeah, I guess. |
| 13:45.16 | Denja | Why!? |
| 13:45.26 | me_here | i hope it won't do harm to have some non-dpkg libraries linked ... |
| 13:45.29 | asg | Denja: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 13:45.52 | xingu | roxy____: dpkg -L ipw3945-modules-`uname -r` | grep ipw3945.ko ? |
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| 13:47.53 | roxy____ | I resinstalled it. I can modprobe ipw now |
| 13:48.18 | SoulChild | Hey all,.... i have problems using the suspend to ram function,... it works, but somehow my notebook-monitor keeps being off |
| 13:48.29 | SoulChild | after rewake |
| 13:48.59 | xingu | roxy____: groovy; so now if it's probing without that error about no ipw3945 detected that you had earlier - try starting the regulatory daemon - /etc/init.d/ipw3945d start |
| 13:49.02 | xingu | or restart |
| 13:49.23 | SoulChild | bot dead ? |
| 13:49.31 | nvz | UGH WTF! I can't seem to edit any contacts in gmail I click contact details and it does something for a minute then I see no details |
| 13:49.32 | roxy____ | xingu: thanks for your time |
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| 13:50.33 | war | I ran apt-get dist-upgrade and it upgraded to glibc-2.5 and now xpdf is broken. |
| 13:50.42 | war | $ xpdf motherboard_manual_ga_965qm-ds2_2.0_e.pdf |
| 13:50.43 | war | xpdf: Symbol `_XmStrings' has different size in shared object, consider re-linking |
| 13:50.43 | war | X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 45 (X_OpenFont) Serial number of failed request: 119 Current serial number in output stream: 120 |
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| 13:51.07 | SoulChild | !hibernate |
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| 13:51.50 | jakub_ | please |
| 13:51.51 | jakub_ | lircd-0.8.0[27752]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc |
| 13:51.51 | jakub_ | lircd-0.8.0[27752]: default_init(): No such file or directory |
| 13:51.51 | jakub_ | lircd-0.8.0[27752]: caught signal |
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| 13:51.58 | jakub_ | help me |
| 13:52.00 | jakub_ | with Lirc |
| 13:53.30 | SoulChild | I need help with suspen2ram, |
| 13:53.43 | nevyn | hrm |
| 13:53.51 | delta9 | I need help |
| 13:53.53 | delta9 | HAHAHAHA |
| 13:53.58 | nevyn | hrm |
| 13:54.08 | nvz | delta9: don't we all... |
| 13:54.11 | nevyn | jakub_: what hardware are you trying to use? |
| 13:54.17 | nevyn | if any? |
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| 13:54.17 | abrotman | some more than others .... |
| 13:54.35 | delta9 | nvz: likely likely |
| 13:54.36 | abrotman | did jakub_ install/load the drivers for lirc ? |
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| 13:55.10 | nvz | ugh, fuckity fuck fuck.. its letting me view details on any contacts except the 3 I just added |
| 13:55.34 | smacnay | Hmm, I am finding that most gnome audio apps in Deb lenny are buggy. |
| 13:55.43 | Tanaka | hi |
| 13:55.50 | delta9 | hello |
| 13:55.50 | cahoot | nvz: just give the authorities some time to sort it out, they have a massive backlog |
| 13:56.01 | Arafangion | smacnay: Guess that's why it's called TESTING? |
| 13:56.11 | nvz | cahoot: authorities? |
| 13:56.40 | cahoot | nvz: right - the ones that want to know what contacts you have |
| 13:56.54 | smacnay | Arafangion: yes, suppose - I think that most of the audio apps are still green as well. |
| 13:56.59 | xingu | smacnay: gstreamer seems ok here, it's what I use for my audio. |
| 13:57.16 | jakub_ | abrotman: where drivers? |
| 13:57.16 | valdyn | "most gnome apps" probably means gstreamer anyway |
| 13:57.27 | jakub_ | i installed package |
| 13:57.33 | jakub_ | you think modules for kernel ? |
| 13:57.41 | abrotman | lirc-modules-source - Linux Infra-red Remote Control support (kernel modules) |
| 13:57.57 | smacnay | xingu: for local music I find that gmpd works well. FOr anything that connects to last.fm or lyrics, the programs usually lock up. |
| 13:58.02 | nvz | cahoot: bah. anyone who is concerned with my gmail contacts is a looser. I only use it to contact package maintainers.. and I just sent mails to Ari Pollak, A. Menucci, and Christian Marillat, and it auto added them to my contacts and I cant do shit with them |
| 13:58.03 | valdyn | smacnay: try 'gstreamer-properties' or give details for useful help |
| 13:58.13 | nvz | s/looser/loser/ |
| 13:58.15 | smacnay | valdyn: thanks - I will look at that. |
| 13:58.19 | Tanaka | i am trying to install debian lenny on my system but the installer says that a DHCP server is not detected but my router is in DHCP mode |
| 13:59.05 | xingu | dbootstrap takes all the fun out of building chroots |
| 13:59.07 | samesame | maybe it hasnt detected your ethernet port |
| 13:59.16 | samesame | or is using the wrong one for detection |
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| 13:59.48 | smacnay | valdyn: looks like it is using alsa, but other than that, there is nothing I could change. |
| 14:00.07 | valdyn | smacnay: you can just test |
| 14:00.18 | Tanaka | it listed the onboard nic,eventhough model no was wrong |
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| 14:00.25 | valdyn | smacnay: but last.fm / lyrics doesnt make this sound like an issue with sound anyway |
| 14:00.28 | smacnay | valdyn: I also have very few of the gstreamer plugins |
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| 14:01.15 | humbolto | how can I change the kernel scheduler at run- or boot-time? |
| 14:01.22 | humbolto | and which ones are there? |
| 14:01.27 | humbolto | what is the normal one? |
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| 14:02.06 | Tanaka | is there any debian ver with hardware support par with ubuntu |
| 14:02.17 | Arafangion | humbolto: There mere fact you are asking that question means you are already using the "normal" one. |
| 14:02.19 | cahoot | why would you want to change if don't even know what they are? |
| 14:02.40 | nvz | all I can say is I am bitching to google about this.. it auto adds contacts when you send mail but doesnt actually add them. cause you cant edit them until you manually add em |
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| 14:02.49 | jakub_ | error |
| 14:02.51 | jakub_ | if i do |
| 14:02.53 | jakub_ | m-a a-i lirc |
| 14:02.55 | jakub_ | it do error |
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| 14:03.06 | valdyn | humbolto: scheduler for what? |
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| 14:03.50 | Tanaka | as etch doesn't detect anything and leeny netinst doesn't conect to the network |
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| 14:04.19 | valdyn | Tanaka: you could just use ubuntu |
| 14:04.43 | humbolto | Arafangion: As far as I know I am using cfs. |
| 14:04.46 | valdyn | Tanaka: you're certainly not going to get free help with as much info as 'doesnt detect anything' |
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| 14:05.46 | valdyn | humbolto: i think we still dont know WHAT that scheduler is suppose to schedule |
| 14:05.55 | mrsn0 | hey peeps, any recommendations on a light-weight monitoring solution, something like saidar or loadavg that can report |
| 14:06.03 | valdyn | humbolto: unfortunately even 'cfs' doesnt let us know WHAT |
| 14:06.34 | liable | its the kernel scheduler |
| 14:06.44 | valdyn | liable: you're as bad as him |
| 14:06.52 | valdyn | DISK or TASK schedular |
| 14:06.53 | valdyn | DISK or TASK scheduler |
| 14:06.56 | liable | valdyn: oh, i can be much worse ;) |
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| 14:07.39 | abrotman | it's the scheduler that takes care of the priority! |
| 14:07.44 | Tanaka | valdyn,etch does detect the onboard marvel yukon nic+ hdd controller |
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| 14:08.32 | valdyn | Tanaka: go into the shell ( alt-f1 ) while the installer is 'stuck' and run ethtool or mii-tool |
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| 14:08.49 | valdyn | Tanaka: or you could just manually enter up addresses / gateway |
| 14:09.11 | xingu | valdyn: hell, half of the planet still doesn't know how to pronounce the word |
| 14:09.16 | humbolto | valdyn: http://kerneltrap.org/node/8208 |
| 14:09.41 | kombi | anyone here using the asterisk package on unstable? I can't get chan_misdn nor chan_capi to load.. |
| 14:09.55 | kombi | neither.. |
| 14:10.16 | asg | kombi: start with the bts |
| 14:10.19 | Tanaka | valdyn, i tried dhclient but it said there are no dhcp offers |
| 14:10.26 | valdyn | Tanaka: yea, we know |
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| 14:10.36 | kombi | asg: what is bts? |
| 14:10.39 | asg | Tanaka: then set a static IP just to verify that the nick works at all |
| 14:10.42 | wols | !bts |
| 14:10.43 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:10.45 | asg | !btssmite kombi |
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| 14:10.58 | Tanaka | valdyn, i also tried manually & it did not work |
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| 14:11.11 | valdyn | Tanaka: do you have 2 nics? |
| 14:11.32 | Tanaka | i disabled one |
| 14:11.39 | valdyn | Tanaka: the wrong one? |
| 14:11.54 | valdyn | Tanaka: i would enable both, switching cable is easy enough |
| 14:11.57 | Tanaka | valdyn, no |
| 14:12.21 | xingu | hmm, gnome depends on 314MB worth of crap starting from a brand new dbootstrap'd sid schroot |
| 14:12.22 | Tanaka | valdyn, i tried both |
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| 14:12.44 | Netsnipe | hi everyone |
| 14:12.45 | xingu | 962MB unpacked |
| 14:12.55 | Netsnipe | is there any way to blacklist kernel modules with a bootparam? |
| 14:13.01 | xingu | no |
| 14:13.04 | xingu | !blacklist |
| 14:13.04 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 14:13.07 | Netsnipe | I think I've got an ACPI bug somewhere |
| 14:13.09 | valdyn | Tanaka: both have the same marvell chipset? |
| 14:13.22 | Tanaka | valdyn, yup |
| 14:13.50 | liable | Netsnipe: theres lots of acpi switches for the kernel |
| 14:14.09 | liable | Netsnipe: acpi=off will stop it dead. |
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| 14:14.28 | liable | Netsnipe: theres a parameters file in the kernel docs |
| 14:14.28 | valdyn | humbolto: i dont think you can switch task schedulers other than by recompiling |
| 14:14.58 | kombi | how can one downgrade from unstable? (Iguess not by editing apt/sources.list and running dist-upgrade..) |
| 14:14.59 | litage | if http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pommed exists, why does ``svn co http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pommed'' fail with this?: svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/wsvn/pommed' svn: PROPFIND of '/wsvn/pommed': 200 OK (http://svn.debian.org) |
| 14:15.03 | Netsnipe | liable: actually....acpi=off will probably be enough to get me back on track again |
| 14:15.08 | Netsnipe | liable: forgot about that one. |
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| 14:15.27 | cydork | !tell kombi -about downgrade |
| 14:15.34 | liable | Netsnipe: what box |
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| 14:15.47 | Netsnipe | liable: nope. it's not ACPI after all |
| 14:16.04 | Netsnipe | liable: seems like my kernel is panicing on the bcm43xx module itself |
| 14:16.12 | Netsnipe | nope...still booting |
| 14:16.13 | liable | ah |
| 14:16.21 | Netsnipe | took it a long, long time to resume |
| 14:16.27 | Netsnipe | hmm |
| 14:16.32 | Netsnipe | very weird. |
| 14:16.37 | Netsnipe | time to restore 2.6.20 |
| 14:18.09 | kupesoft | What does this line do in /etc/network/interfaces: network <address> |
| 14:18.14 | Tanaka | are there any cutting edge debian based distros that can use the debian respoitories |
| 14:18.36 | valdyn | Tanaka: you dont need to use netinstall |
| 14:18.38 | Begasus | take you're pick ;) |
| 14:18.40 | samesame | network <address> <--address of the local machine |
| 14:18.48 | cydork | Tanaka: why? just take debian :) |
| 14:19.03 | valdyn | Tanaka: you can use the first cd. That way you do not need functional networking to install |
| 14:19.19 | Begasus | I'm more pleased with Debian Etch then with any other derived distro from it ... |
| 14:19.47 | Tanaka | i am downloading testing kde @ the moment |
| 14:20.00 | valdyn | Tanaka: that does it. |
| 14:20.03 | Begasus | atm I still have only one prob ... and that's not realy related to Debian itself .. rather with xchat-gnome |
| 14:20.07 | samesame | Begasus: fedora is a good distro too |
| 14:20.29 | Tanaka | oops |
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| 14:20.30 | Tanaka | valdyn, i am downloading testing debian kde @ the moment |
| 14:20.30 | valdyn | Tanaka: though using testing installers at all is probably not a good idea. those are not meant for general usage |
| 14:20.44 | Begasus | samesame: .. I try'd FC7 beta the other day .... |
| 14:20.49 | Begasus | still shivers .... |
| 14:20.58 | samesame | why? |
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| 14:21.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | asg: I looked at the manual, and it says there needs to be an initscript |
| 14:21.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | asg: But that's what I'm missing! |
| 14:21.26 | Begasus | slow samesame |
| 14:21.31 | samesame | ok |
| 14:21.31 | kupesoft | samesame: What does the ifup mechanism do with the "network <address>" line? How would I issue those commands by my self using ifconfig or whatever |
| 14:21.37 | Begasus | err .... system slow * ;) |
| 14:21.38 | asg | Dark_Apostrophe: dpkg -L <pkg> | grep init.d |
| 14:21.52 | Begasus | running Etch with beryl now .... even that is a lot faster |
| 14:22.11 | wols | kupesoft: yes with ifconfig. man ifconfig |
| 14:22.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | asg: /etc/init.d/splashy |
| 14:22.19 | asg | Dark_Apostrophe: there's your init script then |
| 14:22.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | But it doesn't show in rcconf |
| 14:22.26 | valdyn | kupesoft: read the manpage |
| 14:22.38 | Begasus | on the pc that is ... on the laptop it's more an out of the box install as the S3 doesn't support beryl and some other limitations ... |
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| 14:23.10 | samesame | im thinking about buying a Apple G5 and dual booting it with etch and os x, anyone know of anyone who has successfully done this? |
| 14:23.25 | wols | !tell samesame about anyone |
| 14:23.36 | samesame | oh yes forgot about that |
| 14:24.03 | kupesoft | wols: ifconfig <what>? |
| 14:24.07 | Begasus | ;) |
| 14:24.10 | kupesoft | valdyn: The manpage didn't help |
| 14:24.14 | asg | Dark_Apostrophe: then either use update-rc.d or create the links in /etc/rcX.d -> /etc/init.d/ manually. |
| 14:25.18 | xingu | kupesoft: netmask; it's not a 1:1 semantic mapping, you'd need to calculate the mask from the prefix specified by network |
| 14:26.35 | wols | kupesoft: man ifconfig |
| 14:26.35 | nvz | hmm I just found out about xmorph/gtkmorph. I've been looking for a program like this.. too bad its confusing as all hell and sucks |
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| 14:26.36 | nvz | what the hell happened to programs that just throw a mesh grid of configurable size on an image and let you morph it in real time |
| 14:26.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | asg: Ok, gonna try it now. |
| 14:27.31 | nvz | this program wants me to load two different images and I have to toggle between viewing changes and modifying the mesh.. barely useful |
| 14:27.45 | smacnay | valdyn: no, sound works. bmpx looks neat but doesn't respect my desktop dimensions and will not load songs on a playlist - therefore useless. |
| 14:28.18 | valdyn | smacnay: right, bmpx is experimental |
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| 14:29.32 | smacnay | valdyn: rhythmbox looks neat but crashes and listen looks great but crashes as well - I suspect that they are not mature yet but will be stable shortly. |
| 14:29.57 | valdyn | smacnay: not crashing for me |
| 14:30.04 | valdyn | smacnay: i dont use last.fm though |
| 14:30.08 | smacnay | valdyn: which? |
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| 14:30.17 | valdyn | smacnay: neither |
| 14:30.23 | valdyn | smacnay: if you like rhythmbox, try banshee |
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| 14:30.31 | cydork | smacnay: listen works great on testing. |
| 14:30.32 | smacnay | valdyn: hmm, I will look at them again. |
| 14:30.36 | Begasus | someone using xchat-gnome here? |
| 14:30.45 | abrotman | !ask |
| 14:30.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:30.47 | Begasus | trying not to use anyone ;) |
| 14:30.48 | nvz | no, xchat sux :P |
| 14:30.51 | smacnay | cydork: I am going to test them again. |
| 14:30.53 | Begasus | hehe :P |
| 14:30.57 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 14:30.57 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:31.06 | Begasus | nvz: what do you use for IRC then? |
| 14:31.12 | wols | !irssi |
| 14:31.12 | dpkg | methinks irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 14:31.13 | nvz | irssi, duh |
| 14:31.16 | mmlj4 | unfortunately, no gui irc app sucks less |
| 14:31.22 | Begasus | aha! |
| 14:31.29 | Begasus | will look into that thnx ;) |
| 14:31.35 | abrotman | mmlj4: that's subjective |
| 14:31.44 | mmlj4 | so suggest something |
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| 14:31.48 | Begasus | seems the peeps from xchat-gnome are dead in their chan ;) |
| 14:31.55 | nvz | I love when people bitch about IRC clients that arent graphical |
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| 14:32.08 | nvz | </sarcasm> |
| 14:32.26 | cast | yeah. well irc is more than just a text medium! its a umm..righ..multimedia..visual? oh wait |
| 14:32.32 | Begasus | still a bit new * with it ... as I haven't used it for ages (linux) |
| 14:32.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | asg: It starts, the progressbar moves to about 40%, then splashy dies |
| 14:32.44 | delta9 | irssi FTW |
| 14:33.27 | asg | Dark_Apostrophe: check the webpage's FAQ, Tips and Tricks section. Oh and check the bts as well. Given the insane number of bugs against that package, I'm surprised it works at all. |
| 14:33.28 | mmlj4 | Dark_Apostrophe: what's that? |
| 14:33.31 | ciujne | do you remeber that shame when backdoors was sleeping inside irssi maybe 2 years until was it discovered :) |
| 14:33.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | mmlj4: A bootsplash replacement |
| 14:33.51 | mmlj4 | ah. |
| 14:33.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | asg: Ok |
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| 14:35.31 | Maximiliank | When installing php5 from the etch repository, do I have to have apache? |
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| 14:36.08 | Maximiliank | Because I have my own webserver I wish to use |
| 14:36.08 | wols | Maximiliank: no |
| 14:36.26 | Maximiliank | can i just apt-get remove it? |
| 14:36.30 | wols | Maximiliank: but then you need php5-cgi and you need to configure that manually |
| 14:36.49 | Maximiliank | ah |
| 14:36.55 | ciujne | is there any chance to fire up proper web server when i'm under NAT (cone) |
| 14:37.01 | wols | what webserver do you use? |
| 14:37.05 | Maximiliank | thanks |
| 14:37.18 | wols | ciujne: yes. portforward port 80/tcp and it will work |
| 14:38.31 | ciujne | will try, so first i'll try to apply no-ip acc |
| 14:38.32 | Maximiliank | i'm using the abyss web server, used it when i used windows and it worked a charm |
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| 14:39.15 | cast | ciujne: really? |
| 14:39.52 | nvz | cast: see the wikipedia entry for irssi |
| 14:40.46 | cast | ahh i remember that. |
| 14:41.10 | nvz | I don't but then again, I haven't been using it that long |
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| 14:41.47 | cast | i don't think it ever affected us, debian, users |
| 14:42.10 | klikklak | hi, I'm having trouble with 2.6.20-k7 stock kernel, lirc and nvidia (I know, I know) fail to compile. |
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| 14:42.21 | Begasus | k .. that's not my stuff ... irrsi ;) |
| 14:42.28 | klikklak | 2.6.18 worked, but it started crashing randomly and I haven't tried it since. |
| 14:42.32 | nvz | I would think the same too out of ignorance, however.. if it effected it being compiled and wasnt noticed until 2 years later.. then it most likely effected everyone |
| 14:42.50 | cast | wikipedia says 2 months |
| 14:43.11 | nvz | Begasus: let me guess, cant let go of your mouse even though there is nothing to click on in irc to begin with? |
| 14:43.20 | klikklak | I think it's having trouble finding the kernel sources. however kernel-headers have been installed and I thought this was enough. at least the repository doesn't have 2.6.20 source |
| 14:43.45 | nvz | its too much trouble to type commands or setup a config to auto-connect, join, and identify |
| 14:43.47 | Begasus | not that bad nvz ... ;) |
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| 14:44.00 | wols | klikklak: you don't need source. you only need linux-headers for your running kernel |
| 14:44.01 | Begasus | but yeah ... a bit used to gui apps |
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| 14:44.31 | Begasus | geuss I can look into it when it's a bit more quiet around |
| 14:44.38 | Begasus | but not out of the box |
| 14:44.48 | nvz | Begasus: there's nothing a gui can offer in an IRC client except complicating matters |
| 14:45.04 | asg | H31nr1ch|Away: turn that off |
| 14:45.09 | nvz | irssi + screen is unbeatable |
| 14:45.19 | wols | nvz: you miss ssh |
| 14:45.27 | asg | wols: that's a given |
| 14:45.28 | Begasus | I know nvz ... but it's just what one is used with |
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| 14:46.01 | Begasus | I've been spoiled in ZETA ;) |
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| 14:46.07 | nvz | I don't miss ssh I just dont usually compute other than on my computer |
| 14:46.10 | al_islam | hi |
| 14:46.10 | klikklak | wols: like I thought. but it can't seem to find it. |
| 14:46.15 | al_islam | nedko |
| 14:46.22 | nvz | sometimes I login through ssh, but usually I dont even have it running |
| 14:46.24 | al_islam | hi |
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| 14:47.08 | wols | klikklak: what kernel are you running exactly, what branch of debian? |
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| 14:48.04 | klikklak | wols: lenny/sid, 2.6.20-k7 |
| 14:48.24 | litage | in which file do i put commands that i want to be run when logging into X? |
| 14:48.32 | wols | !find linux-headers-2.6.20-k7 |
| 14:48.38 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux-headers-2.6.20-k7' returned no results. |
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| 14:50.22 | klikklak | wols: hmm. I'm pretty positive I have that. but why can't it find the headers here? |
| 14:50.37 | valdyn | klikklak: that kernel is no longer in sid |
| 14:50.49 | wols | klikklak: Package linux-headers-2.6.20-1-k7 |
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| 14:51.10 | wols | !find Package linux-headers-2.6.20-1-k7 |
| 14:51.16 | wols | valdyn: pdo says otherwise |
| 14:51.16 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'Package linux-headers-2.6.20-1-k7' returned no results. |
| 14:51.21 | klikklak | valdyn: it was from sid? ... hmm, I'm ahead of time too much, I'm trying to stay in lenny. |
| 14:51.34 | valdyn | klikklak: oh, lenny |
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| 14:52.01 | valdyn | !info linux-headers-2.6.20-1-k7 lenny |
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| 14:52.27 | valdyn | same thing |
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| 14:53.00 | klikklak | valdyn: wols, perhaps I should just retry the 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 14:53.18 | klikklak | I really hated frequent and random crashing though. |
| 14:53.27 | valdyn | klikklak: perhaps you should use a kernel that is in lenny still |
| 14:53.31 | tmn | Hi, someone know how to change the userident when using nullidendt? |
| 14:53.36 | wols | klikklak: what you should do is tell us the error foremost |
| 14:53.38 | tmn | As you see, I got foobar in my ident |
| 14:54.32 | asg | tmn: did you read the manpage to see if there was an option for changing the static return string? |
| 14:54.43 | Micromus | Can my /boot partition reside inside a LVM-volume? |
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| 14:55.03 | tmn | asg: I did |
| 14:55.49 | asg | tmn: so, you would have seen 'nullidentd takes only one optional argument, the username to answer with.' |
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| 14:56.14 | klikklak | wols: nvidia crashes when built on 'gpl violation' and lirc on '"linux/config.h: file not found" |
| 14:56.49 | wols | klikklak: that means you lack kernel headers for your exact kernel |
| 14:57.00 | liable | is it config.h that was removed in recent kernels? |
| 14:57.07 | wols | dunno about the gpl violation part. but the missing config.h is pure kernel headers |
| 14:57.16 | tmn | I just want to change it :/ |
| 14:57.39 | jakub_ | i cant install it |
| 14:57.42 | jakub_ | lirc module |
| 14:57.43 | jakub_ | :| |
| 14:57.50 | asg | tmn: then add what you want to change it to in /etc/inetd.conf as the 'one optional argument' |
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| 15:00.41 | quintin | How do I download the .deb for a package? |
| 15:00.51 | wols | quintin: use aptitude |
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| 15:01.13 | klikklak | wols: so my kernel 2.6.20-1-k7 is incompatible with my headers 2.6.20-1-k7? |
| 15:01.16 | klikklak | weird |
| 15:01.21 | wols | no |
| 15:01.22 | quintin | wols: I don't know how to use aptitude! |
| 15:01.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | quintin: apt-get install packagename |
| 15:01.35 | wols | it just means the sucky nvidia installer can't find the header file(s) |
| 15:01.37 | cast | aptitude help |
| 15:01.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | aptitude install packagename |
| 15:01.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Choose |
| 15:01.41 | wols | quintin: man aptitude |
| 15:02.01 | klikklak | wols: right, ok. damn. |
| 15:02.02 | quintin | I don't want to install it with apt, I want the .deb for the package. |
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| 15:02.18 | quintin | Dark_Apostrophe: yea, read my question again, kthnx. :P |
| 15:02.22 | wols | quintin: apt does this too |
| 15:02.44 | ma3x | every time I do update-grub or when I install a new kernel image and update-grub is executed, the lines in my menu.lst config get modified from root (hd0,0) to root (hd0,1) why? |
| 15:02.47 | quintin | I know it would go to /var/cache/apt/archives .. but this isn't what I want |
| 15:02.53 | wols | download only, then look into /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 15:03.04 | xingu | klikklak: nvidia 9755 is packaged, you know? |
| 15:03.17 | wols | ma3x: cause your "groot" setting in menu.lst is wrong. fix it |
| 15:03.31 | wols | quintin: why not? |
| 15:03.50 | quintin | 'cause this machine is having .. issues right now. |
| 15:03.58 | ma3x | wols, there is # groot=(hd0,1) but as you see there is a comment in the front, so that doesn't affect it |
| 15:04.07 | wols | quintin: it will have issues downloading then too |
| 15:04.08 | quintin | I see, apt-get -d woo |
| 15:04.12 | vanksi | my networking suddenly went completely dead, ifconfig eth0 says it's up and stuff but it doesn't work at all, ifdown eth0 doesn't do anything, is there a way to force eth0 to restart |
| 15:04.15 | wols | ma3x: wrong |
| 15:04.16 | quintin | wols: nah.. |
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| 15:04.23 | ma3x | wols, well there is comment in front of it |
| 15:04.27 | quintin | vanksi: /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 15:04.31 | quintin | vanksi: init 6 ? |
| 15:04.47 | wols | ma3x: you are still wrong. now go away |
| 15:04.48 | vanksi | quintin, restarted networking, now it says there's no eth0 :) |
| 15:05.00 | wols | vanksi: that is supposed to happen |
| 15:05.11 | wols | when it's dead like you described. check lspci |
| 15:05.12 | quintin | vanksi: dhclient eth0? |
| 15:05.13 | klikklak | xingu: I didn't know, thanks. |
| 15:05.16 | ma3x | wols, explain then why does it ignore the #? that's against the standards of files/scripts |
| 15:05.23 | vanksi | but ifconfig -a is still reporting eth0 to be up |
| 15:05.30 | vanksi | quintin, not using dhcp |
| 15:05.34 | wols | ma3x: cause update-grub is not grub. now fuck off |
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| 15:06.03 | ma3x | wols you're the greatest idiot |
| 15:06.12 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.12 | klikklak | I think I'll give 2.6.18 a go again. perhaps it's magically fixed itself. |
| 15:06.30 | ma3x | I don't give a damn. I don't like your behaviour |
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| 15:06.48 | wols | I don't like your stupidity either. ew don't always get what we want |
| 15:07.04 | asg | ma3x: we don't like your constant moaning, bitching, and failure to read readily available documentation |
| 15:07.04 | klikklak | xingu: what repository is it in? standard debian? can't find it. |
| 15:07.13 | vanksi | better just reboot, there goes the uptime.. |
| 15:07.14 | xingu | klikklak: experimental |
| 15:07.28 | xingu | klikklak: just download the debs from the pool |
| 15:07.52 | wols | xingu: it's in sid. 97.55 that is |
| 15:08.03 | xingu | wols: is it? neat. |
| 15:08.13 | ma3x | asg, it says ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs. I wanted to know why |
| 15:08.16 | klikklak | xingu: ahh, ok. |
| 15:08.23 | ma3x | how does that work |
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| 15:08.36 | klikklak | !find nvidia 9755 |
| 15:08.37 | xingu | klikklak: nvidia-kernel-source, nvidia-glx, and probably nvidia-glx-dev depending on what you do. |
| 15:08.38 | quintin | Is there anything I should be aware of before I upgrade "etch" testing to etch stable? I installed this system about 6 months ago |
| 15:09.01 | troubledone | i just fixed my xorg in single mode |
| 15:09.02 | xingu | klikklak: http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/ |
| 15:09.12 | xingu | or whatever cc you like. |
| 15:09.24 | wols | xingu: the driver has been out since december. so it'S kinda time it shows in unstable ;) |
| 15:09.48 | xingu | wols: assuming he's using etch and I don't feel like explaining pinning. :) |
| 15:09.52 | Shadur | Okay, I've got a brand new hard drive to transfer my system on to. I've partitioned it and mounted its structure as I want under /mnt/target ; What's the quickest way to copy my entire system across, leaving symlinks and device files intact? |
| 15:10.04 | wols | xingu: he uses lenny at least |
| 15:10.06 | Shadur | tar in/out on a per-fs basis? |
| 15:10.16 | troubledone | now when i startx i get something about needing to start dmesg bus and something else about not starting hardware abstraction layer - which makes little sense if the concept of a hal is the same as it is/was in windows 2000 - with that os a hal was used to glue hardware and software tyogether |
| 15:10.33 | quintin | Shadur: cp -ra |
| 15:10.52 | troubledone | the system is still in single user mode and the error fails through and allows x access |
| 15:11.00 | Quintin | Although, I don't know if you want to actually copy /dev |
| 15:11.01 | cinvoke | can someone help me get my audio working? |
| 15:11.09 | wols | troubledone: it is a hardware absraction layer. but not half as important as in windows |
| 15:11.35 | wols | troubledone: hal and that stuff is started via /etc/init.d/ |
| 15:11.43 | wols | which doesn't really happen in single user mode |
| 15:11.45 | wols | no worries |
| 15:11.59 | wols | cinvoke: what chip? |
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| 15:12.07 | troubledone | then if i start in the regular way I should have no issues |
| 15:12.14 | Shadur | Quintin: I don't, no - hence I'm thinking of using tar's --one-file-system flag |
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| 15:12.34 | troubledone | cinvoke some distribtuions have an alsa-config |
| 15:12.47 | cinvoke | not sure what chip |
| 15:12.49 | wols | !alsa one-liner |
| 15:12.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 15:12.57 | wols | cinvoke: lspci |
| 15:13.54 | Shadur | xfsbackup/xfsrestore's another option, but I'm not sure if that works between different size filesystems. |
| 15:13.56 | cinvoke | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation |
| 15:14.00 | cinvoke | 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 15:14.10 | Quintin | Shadur: cp -ra |
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| 15:14.41 | Quintin | Shadur: http://reactor-core.org/disk-migration.html |
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| 15:15.03 | wols | !tell cinvoke about paster |
| 15:15.25 | wols | cinvoke: it's a simple ac97 codec. alsa one-.liner should easily take care |
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| 15:15.30 | wols | !tell cinvoke about alsa-oneliner |
| 15:16.24 | wols | !tell cinvoke about alsa-oneliner |
| 15:16.28 | wols | !tell cinvoke about alsa one-liner |
| 15:16.31 | wols | finally |
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| 15:18.27 | Quintin | 1-800-GOOG-411 |
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| 15:19.25 | cwheeler | !foomatic |
| 15:19.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, foomatic is a printing system designed to make it easier to set up common printers for use with Debian (and other operating systems). See http://www.linuxprinting.org for details. |
| 15:19.40 | cinvoke | wols: i have alsa on right now, should i try oss? |
| 15:19.47 | cwheeler | where do i click to configure foomatic? |
| 15:20.18 | wols | no |
| 15:20.20 | abrotman | click ? |
| 15:21.02 | cwheeler | yeah there's a nice menu |
| 15:21.11 | cwheeler | but i don't remember where it was |
| 15:22.03 | wintix | cwheeler: foomatic-gui |
| 15:22.15 | cwheeler | thanks wintix |
| 15:24.24 | cinvoke | wols: http://paste.debian.net/29464 |
| 15:24.34 | me_here | !dpsyco |
| 15:25.36 | wols | !tell cinvoke about alsa checklist |
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| 15:26.03 | me_here | !tell me_here about dpsyco |
| 15:26.25 | troubledone | when i start the system in the regular way with init 5 i lose network support |
| 15:26.47 | troubledone | i dont get an ip address |
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| 15:27.09 | troubledone | yet single mode gets an ip and works great |
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| 15:27.25 | Shadur | troubledone: Check your system logs |
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| 15:28.20 | troubledone | i have many entries in /var/log |
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| 15:31.20 | cinvoke | wols: thanks for the help, ill be back later |
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| 15:32.12 | troubledone | could you be more specific |
| 15:32.52 | epsilon | I have a box runnign with live-CD, now I created debootstrap installation on hd. But in that chroot's /dev, /dev/hda missing and I can't run lilo - how can I fix this? |
| 15:32.54 | wols | troubledone: init 5 is not the regular way |
| 15:33.04 | wols | by default debian boots to runlevel 2 and 2 only |
| 15:33.36 | wols | epsilon: by mounting your normal /proc |
| 15:33.42 | wols | and /dev |
| 15:33.51 | wols | but don't ask me how |
| 15:33.55 | gpm | makedev time? |
| 15:34.06 | gpm | i've never had occasion to use MAKEDEV |
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| 15:34.12 | epsilon | trie MAKEDEV, everything else than hd are there |
| 15:34.18 | epsilon | and proc is already mounted |
| 15:34.21 | wols | gpm: not with udev :) |
| 15:34.46 | gpm | then again, i never really liked devfs either when that was all the rage |
| 15:34.50 | wols | gpm: don't trust it at all :) |
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| 15:35.38 | hark | !widbu |
| 15:35.38 | dpkg | When in doubt, blame udev! |
| 15:35.48 | wols | hark: good one |
| 15:35.50 | klikklak | `diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGLcore.a.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGLcore.a.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx-legacy'. that's the error I get when I try to install 9755, I've purged nvidia-glx-legacy. So how can I override this? |
| 15:35.51 | abrotman | mace widbu ? |
| 15:36.05 | gpm | nice |
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| 15:36.20 | troubledone | which system logs do i check for a network configuration issue |
| 15:36.25 | abrotman | !tell klikklak about overwrite |
| 15:36.27 | abrotman | maybe ... |
| 15:37.26 | wols | troubledone: syslog, kern.log |
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| 15:40.00 | klikklak | abrotman: still fails, but I'll keep reading |
| 15:40.15 | abrotman | you could force all .. but that seems bad |
| 15:40.46 | xingu | klikklak: nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-legacy should be mutually exclusive. |
| 15:41.07 | troubledone | wols if i pastebin the logs do you think you could get me started |
| 15:41.09 | Wyzard | klikklak: If you've purged nvidia-glx-legacy already, it looks like it forgot to remove its diversion... you can remove it manually though |
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| 15:42.12 | klikklak | Wyzard: how? |
| 15:42.19 | Wyzard | klikklak: should be something like: dpkg-divert --remove /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a --package nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 15:42.33 | cinvoke | wols: ok im back. I can load alsachecklist |
| 15:42.41 | wols | troubledone: bootup normally. run /etc/init.d/networking restart as root. check what it says |
| 15:42.56 | cinvoke | wols: cant run alsaconf |
| 15:43.02 | Wyzard | klikklak: you might also want to do "dpkg-divert --list | grep nvidia" to see if there are any others |
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| 15:43.28 | wols | !errorsmite cinvoke |
| 15:43.35 | wols | cinvoke: tell the error |
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| 15:44.24 | cinvoke | wols: i ran sudo alsaconf, couldnt find thepackage |
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| 15:44.30 | Wyzard | klikklak: actually, put --rename into that --remove command too |
| 15:44.33 | wols | !find alsaconf |
| 15:44.37 | Wyzard | klikklak: (or manually rename the file back afterward) |
| 15:44.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'alsaconf' (2): (/usr/share/vim/vim71/syntax/alsaconf.vim, /usr/share/vim/vim71/ftplugin/alsaconf.vim) in editors/vim-runtime ;; (/usr/sbin/alsaconf, /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/alsaconf.mo, /usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/alsaconf.mo) in sound/alsa-utils. |
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| 15:45.17 | wols | cinvoke: as you can see you can't installed all alsa packages. what branch of debian do you run? |
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| 15:46.50 | Wyzard | klikklak: OK, the actual command is: dpkg-divert --package nvidia-glx-legacy --rename --remove /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a |
| 15:46.55 | klikklak | Wyzard: remove needs a single argument. |
| 15:47.06 | cinvoke | wols: i use ubuntu, but it's deb-based i think |
| 15:47.15 | Wyzard | klikklak: yeah, I tried it and got that -- use the command I just mentioned |
| 15:47.24 | wols | !debian based |
| 15:47.24 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 15:47.26 | Wyzard | klikklak: (The --remove and the filename need to be last, that's all) |
| 15:47.34 | wols | cinvoke: you are in the wrong channel. we don't do ubuntu support |
| 15:47.54 | klikklak | Wyzard: now it worked, lets see about 9755.. |
| 15:47.57 | abrotman | !do ubuntu support |
| 15:48.09 | Wyzard | klikklak: dpkg-divert --list | grep nvidia |
| 15:48.10 | wols | dpkg: fine. you do it then |
| 15:48.16 | Wyzard | klikklak: Remove any other diversions that are left behind too |
| 15:48.54 | xingu | !be ubuntu barbie |
| 15:48.54 | dpkg | ubuntu is hard! |
| 15:49.39 | cinvoke | wols: thanks for all your help. Ill try a ubuntu channel |
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| 15:50.25 | cinvoke | i thought dpkg was a help bot |
| 15:50.58 | klikklak | Wyzard: I got it installed, got some complaints about magic bytes, but I'll restart X now. |
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| 15:52.07 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 15:52.33 | quad3d | wat? |
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| 16:00.20 | simonrvn | hi Azar |
| 16:00.41 | Azar | hey, how is going simonrvn ? :) |
| 16:00.53 | simonrvn | ok i suppose. you? |
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| 16:01.14 | Azar | I am in for a loong vacation, both feet crushed |
| 16:01.27 | Azar | ..had surgery |
| 16:01.41 | simonrvn | ooow |
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| 16:02.10 | Azar | I am now glad I have time to start over my C learning project |
| 16:02.17 | simonrvn | they fixed you good i hope? i don't have go beat up on some doctors? :P |
| 16:02.30 | simonrvn | cool |
| 16:02.44 | wols | simonrvn: wouldn't you harpoon them rather? |
| 16:02.44 | Azar | hehe, good, 3rd day today from the surgery and I am on my feet... well slowly |
| 16:02.55 | simonrvn | wow |
| 16:02.58 | wols | those innuit are small people. hard to beat someone up :) |
| 16:02.58 | ma3x | ERROR: non-zero exit from: |
| 16:02.58 | ma3x | tar --create --null --files-from=- --ignore-failed-read --same-permissions --no-recursion --totals --label level 0 /var Sat Jun 02 11:03:40 2007 tar+gzip from debian --verbose --sparse -b 20 --file - |
| 16:03.00 | ma3x | what means that? |
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| 16:03.15 | simonrvn | they'll kick your ass |
| 16:03.26 | Azar | hahaha |
| 16:03.44 | wols | simonrvn: I'm no walruss, so I doubt it :P |
| 16:03.48 | simonrvn | half the people that go to the friendship centre are inuit heh |
| 16:04.03 | Azar | nose rubbers? |
| 16:04.06 | wols | but I look out for their harpoons of course |
| 16:04.10 | kromagg_ | ma3x: did you look it up in the manpage? what part didn't you get? |
| 16:04.45 | ma3x | kromagg, I can't supply tar arguments when I use flexbackup |
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| 16:04.52 | simonrvn | phone |
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| 16:05.01 | simonrvn | brb |
| 16:05.03 | ma3x | kromagg, what is causing the error? |
| 16:05.18 | abrotman | kromagg: ma3x doesn't read man pages .. that's what we're for |
| 16:05.22 | wols | ma3x: probably gzip exiting with °= 0 |
| 16:05.32 | ma3x | abrotman, shut up |
| 16:05.34 | wols | !0 0 |
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| 16:05.44 | abrotman | truth hurts ... |
| 16:05.46 | wols | aw shucks. it's only ma3x, so why bother |
| 16:05.52 | kromagg | abrotman: so it seems |
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| 16:06.03 | simonrvn | back |
| 16:06.07 | ma3x | it's flexbackup not tar |
| 16:06.08 | SoulChild | Hey all,... how can i find out my debia nversion ,.. |
| 16:06.19 | kromagg | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:06.20 | wols | !version |
| 16:06.20 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 16:06.27 | kromagg | ah, handy |
| 16:06.32 | SoulChild | wols tanks |
| 16:06.38 | simonrvn | Azar: they don't rub noses |
| 16:06.48 | ma3x | kromagg, what about version? |
| 16:06.58 | wols | simonrvn: bellies? if so we can send liable :) |
| 16:07.00 | SoulChild | lenny/sid is this a stable one ? |
| 16:07.04 | wols | SoulChild: no |
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| 16:07.06 | simonrvn | no |
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| 16:07.12 | wols | either testing or unstable |
| 16:07.17 | SoulChild | wols: it is the testing version right ? |
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| 16:07.25 | simonrvn | lenny is |
| 16:07.34 | wols | SoulChild: depens what dpkg -l libc6 says for version |
| 16:07.44 | wols | or what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 16:07.46 | wols | or what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:08.16 | SoulChild | simonrvn: lenny is the testing version ? |
| 16:08.42 | avtobiff | SoulChild, yes. lenny is testing |
| 16:08.43 | SoulChild | So why does my debian say i use lenny/sid ??? |
| 16:08.52 | wols | yes. and sid unstable. from what you said could be either one |
| 16:08.55 | SoulChild | is it because i have packages from both ? |
| 16:08.58 | wols | cause debian does it this way |
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| 16:09.04 | wols | no |
| 16:09.07 | SoulChild | maybe cause i use the unstable kernel? |
| 16:09.13 | avtobiff | it is just a naming convention i suppose |
| 16:09.14 | wols | no |
| 16:09.19 | SoulChild | ahh okay |
| 16:09.29 | SoulChild | just a convention ,... okay... |
| 16:09.40 | avtobiff | no big reason to say whether it is testing or unstable. |
| 16:09.46 | avtobiff | those users are on their own anyway. |
| 16:09.51 | SoulChild | Damn i love debian ,... it's just great |
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| 16:10.05 | SoulChild | Never Ever "Windows" :D |
| 16:10.24 | SoulChild | Is there anyone using usplash? |
| 16:10.44 | wols | !tell souldchild about anyone |
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| 16:11.03 | SoulChild | i have this strange problem, that after booting i do not get directly to tty7 (GDM-Login) since i installed usplas |
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| 16:11.27 | wols | is gdm run via rc2.d ? |
| 16:11.51 | SoulChild | wols ... hmm |
| 16:11.57 | SoulChild | i don't know |
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| 16:12.05 | wols | then check? |
| 16:12.15 | SoulChild | ok |
| 16:12.55 | SoulChild | wols: no it isn't |
| 16:13.21 | SoulChild | it is in /etc/init.d/gdm but not in /etc/rc*.d/ |
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| 16:14.15 | GreyMaus | how do you alter the console ? |
| 16:14.34 | SoulChild | GreyMaus: talking to me ? |
| 16:14.35 | whaq | You don't alter the console.. the console will alter you. |
| 16:14.39 | wols | SoulChild: that's the problem dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 16:14.47 | wols | GreyMaus: alter how? |
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| 16:14.48 | SoulChild | wols: gdm? |
| 16:14.56 | wols | !dm |
| 16:14.57 | dpkg | DM means display manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 16:15.01 | GreyMaus | e.g, I am missing the left character |
| 16:15.11 | SoulChild | wols okay i did ,... |
| 16:15.14 | SoulChild | i restart to se... |
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| 16:15.21 | wols | GreyMaus: monitor settings |
| 16:15.25 | GreyMaus | on the text console, X is OK |
| 16:15.27 | wols | GreyMaus: on the monitor |
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| 16:15.32 | SoulChild | ähm wols? is it possible to remove the single user mode at boot, i don't need this |
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| 16:15.38 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 16:15.39 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 16:15.43 | asarch | In aptitude, what is the other key to look for packages besides '?'? |
| 16:16.03 | abrotman | /? |
| 16:16.14 | cahoot | SoulChild: you mean the boot option - keep it |
| 16:16.17 | quitte | hi. is there something like netcat but bidirectional? |
| 16:16.25 | SoulChild | cahoot: what for ? |
| 16:16.31 | cast | quitte: socat? |
| 16:16.32 | cahoot | a rainy day |
| 16:16.41 | cast | quitte: but netcat is bidirectional isn't it? |
| 16:16.47 | GreyMaus | again, thanks |
| 16:16.49 | asarch | Buy why when I look for the fortune packages it only appears a few of them and in Synaptic appears *ALL* available |
| 16:16.51 | SoulChild | cahoot: do i need the single user mode ? |
| 16:17.01 | wols | SoulChild: yes. when you need to fix things |
| 16:17.06 | cahoot | SoulChild: you very well might need it one time |
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| 16:17.23 | wols | but if you know how to use grub, you can do without ("e") |
| 16:17.27 | SoulChild | okay Thank You Guys,.... you re great ! |
| 16:17.36 | me_here | how do you restore files list file for packages which got already installed ? dpkg is complaining about them.... |
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| 16:18.35 | cahoot | me_here: precisely which file does it complain about? |
| 16:19.39 | me_here | cahoot:, not just one many.... |
| 16:20.07 | mirak | is there a procedure to backup a running linux system ? |
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| 16:20.17 | mirak | I want to migrate it to another drive |
| 16:20.20 | quitte | cast i don't know is it? |
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| 16:20.56 | quitte | cast i want to pipe all communication on a certain port into a file or two |
| 16:21.38 | quitte | cast socat looks great |
| 16:22.00 | cast | quitte: well you can pipe data both ways with netcat, see nc -l -p 12345 -c sh then nc host 12345, just don't do that if 12345 is open anyone else |
| 16:22.12 | cahoot | me_here: it's not referring any systemfile at the very beginning? like dpkg-status ? |
| 16:23.06 | me_here | wait i have to look for, it was scrolling too fast i couldn't see... |
| 16:23.32 | Azar | abrotman: ready for #debian sunday ? :) |
| 16:23.48 | abrotman | going to a ballgame .. don't care! |
| 16:24.00 | Azar | ah lucky lucky you |
| 16:24.05 | xbaez | hi how you doing ? |
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| 16:25.13 | me_here | cahoot: it's trying to replace libc6-dev 2.5.7 with 2.5.9 now |
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| 16:25.51 | cahoot | me_here: what kind of system are you running? |
| 16:25.53 | me_here | cahoot: my libc got mixed with another non-dpkg one, that's my problem now |
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| 16:26.12 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 16:26.46 | xbaez | i have a problem with my bash, when i type something for example less file.txt and then if i want to use the same command i used to use the UP ARROW key and appear me the last command but the cursor appear not at the end of the command |
| 16:26.49 | cahoot | me_here: sounds like you done the equivalent of a brain-transplant |
| 16:26.54 | me_here | i tried to chroot to my /debian partition under gentoo and recompiled my kernel, but i lost my linux-image images all, then i booted with knoppix and now try to recover |
| 16:27.16 | me_here | cahoot: you're right, it's mixed all now |
| 16:27.19 | me_here | lol |
| 16:27.22 | wols | me_here: a kernel compile won't do anything with libc6 |
| 16:27.25 | Wyzard | me_here: Do you use a separate /boot package? |
| 16:28.21 | Wyzard | me_here: oops, /boot partition |
| 16:28.21 | wols | chroot to your debian install and dpkg -i a kernel |
| 16:28.21 | me_here | Wyzard: yes |
| 16:28.21 | me_here | it's hda1 booted on /boot |
| 16:28.21 | Wyzard | me_here: by "lost my linux-image images" I'm guessing you mean that /boot was empty, which probably just means you forgot to mount it when doing your chroot thing |
| 16:28.33 | me_here | Wyzard: nope i deleted my images manually and all the /lib/modules/version ones... |
| 16:28.42 | xbaez | appear in the letters of the command so i have to move it at the end of the command, how can i fix this i don't have idea why could be fix that |
| 16:28.43 | Wyzard | oh... why? |
| 16:28.46 | xbaez | some idea ? |
| 16:28.48 | me_here | try to install a kernel now...let's see |
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| 16:29.11 | Wyzard | Anyway, just get the .debs and reinstall them with dpkg in the chroot, like wols said |
| 16:29.19 | Muisje | How do i manually sync times with ntp? |
| 16:29.32 | Muisje | For some reason my system stopped and now times are off by 2 hours |
| 16:29.36 | Azar | oh no!! Ronin is gone? |
| 16:29.37 | wols | !ntpdate |
| 16:29.37 | dpkg | ntpdate is, like, a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, and add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf. |
| 16:29.48 | Azar | simonrvn: is true? Ronin is gone? |
| 16:29.56 | Wyzard | Muisje: What I do in that situation is stop ntpd, then run "ntpd -g -q" manually, then restart ntpd |
| 16:29.59 | wols | your problem is the wrong utc setting. /etc/default/rcS |
| 16:30.05 | mirak | in general there are no hard links in linux installs distributions ? |
| 16:30.13 | agent | xev shows keycode 227 for a key that should be keycode 117. How do I fix this? |
| 16:30.22 | Wyzard | Muisje: Those two options mean "set the time once and exit" and "don't care if it's really really different from the current time", though I don't remember which option is which |
| 16:30.43 | Eulex | agent, set your correct keyboard layout? |
| 16:31.03 | wols | Wyzard: his problem is a borked UTC in BIOS clock setting. not ntpd |
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| 16:31.40 | Wyzard | wols: How would that result from "for some reason my system stopped", if the setting was previously correct? |
| 16:31.51 | wols | Wyzard: it wasn't perhaps? |
| 16:31.57 | Muisje | ntpdate[2915]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 16:32.01 | cahoot | agent: the 'menu' key for win? |
| 16:32.09 | wols | but he's in netherlands. which currently has 2 hour different to UTC... |
| 16:32.14 | bpun | i was out for a while, there a way to use a bot to call who answered me? |
| 16:32.32 | Muisje | the system thinks its 18:32 in GMT and 20:32 in CEST |
| 16:32.35 | Muisje | Which is wrong |
| 16:32.42 | Azar | wols: I see Ronin's name in the channel , is he gone or is just a prank? |
| 16:32.47 | bpun | sigh, also just thought about increasing my xchat's logsizeo |
| 16:32.58 | wols | Muisje: you said linux to treat bios clock as utc when it's in fact cest |
| 16:33.03 | wols | Muisje: I told you what to do |
| 16:33.13 | Muisje | Set the bios time 2 hours back? |
| 16:33.18 | wols | Azar: he is here but afk |
| 16:33.23 | wols | Muisje: no |
| 16:33.25 | agent | Eulex: The problem being is I do not know what the correct keyboard layout is supposed to be. My guess is it does not exist since it's a new type of IBM keyboard. |
| 16:33.32 | Muisje | How do i stop ntpd? |
| 16:33.33 | wols | Muisje: not if you have windows on the machine too |
| 16:33.35 | Azar | ah, thanks :) |
| 16:33.42 | Muisje | I don't have windows on that machine |
| 16:33.42 | Wyzard | Muisje: /etc/init.d/ntpd stop |
| 16:33.46 | agent | cahoot: Yes, I think this key is called "menu" in Windows land. :) |
| 16:33.57 | wols | Muisje:then you can set BIOS to utc if you want |
| 16:34.03 | Muisje | ok |
| 16:34.04 | Wyzard | Muisje: oops, sorry, it's /etc/init.d/ntp, not /etc/init.d/ntpd |
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| 16:34.56 | bpun | wols, i thought hwclock can do that.. |
| 16:35.18 | Wyzard | Muisje: Use the command I mentioned earlier to set the system time, and then edit /etc/default/rcS and set UTC=yes or UTC=no according to how you want the system time to be stored in the BIOS clock |
| 16:35.22 | wols | hodgejj: yes |
| 16:35.45 | ma3x | building the rt2500 module fails. why? http://paste.debian.net/29471 |
| 16:36.46 | wols | ma3x: the typical error. missing kernel headers |
| 16:36.48 | wols | !rt2500 |
| 16:37.17 | me_here | Wyzard: everythings mounted properly, trying to install a kernel with dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-bla pulls in load of other packages to be installed and then it quits somewhere when it fails to preconfigure those (telling they have no files list files and assumes they got none installed) the last line shows me a dpsyco line i don't understand |
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| 16:37.25 | ma3x | ii linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 Linux Kernel Headers for development |
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| 16:37.59 | shadey_ | is there a way i can speed up ssh sessions? it hangs at "password:" and is generally slower than it is accessing my slackware box |
| 16:38.00 | ma3x | ii linux-headers-2.6.21-1 2.6.21-4 Common header files for Linux 2.6.21 |
| 16:38.01 | ma3x | ii linux-headers-2.6.21-1-amd64 2.6.21-4 Header files for Linux 2.6.21 on AMD64 |
| 16:38.07 | Wyzard | me_here: "dpkg -i" doesn't "pull in" anything... it can fail to install a package if its dependencies are unmet, but it won't automatically install any other packages |
| 16:38.15 | bpun | ma3x, package kernelheaders number should match uname -r |
| 16:38.35 | me_here | Wyzard: never mind now it succeeded somehow.... |
| 16:38.36 | cahoot | shadey_: hostname lookup problem? |
| 16:38.38 | Wyzard | me_here: and presumably the dependencies for linux-image-* are met, because the package is already installed as far as the system is concerned; you're just reinstalling it to replace files you deleted manually, right? |
| 16:38.46 | me_here | yes |
| 16:38.48 | ma3x | bpun, 2.6.21-4 there is no such version of kernel-headers |
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| 16:39.31 | epsilon | how can I tell lilo where to write /boot/boot.0300? I work in a live-CD environment nad need to run lilo on hda1 mounted in /mnt/hda1 |
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| 16:39.47 | shadey_ | cahoot: not sure, how can i find out or resolve it ? |
| 16:40.08 | Azar | is true, Ronin is gone.. guys |
| 16:40.19 | Azar | http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/87637/index.html |
| 16:40.35 | wols | he's a ronin after all |
| 16:40.38 | wols | they usually wander |
| 16:40.48 | cahoot | shadey_: if it's just a home system just put your connecting systems ip and nami in /etc/hosts on the one you connect to |
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| 16:41.08 | Azar | wols: been on oftc, on #debcentral |
| 16:41.12 | nslater | Does anyone know how to run "make pdf" before cdbs does it's thing with the autotools extension? |
| 16:41.27 | punkeROCK | buenas |
| 16:41.38 | asarch | Buenas |
| 16:41.43 | Azar | !es |
| 16:41.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:42.26 | cahoot | shadey_: wrt how to figure out the problem I suppose increasing log level is one possibilty |
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| 16:44.20 | Muisje | Wyzard the UTC in default/rcS is yes |
| 16:44.53 | cahoot | Muisje: not dualbooting? |
| 16:45.12 | Muisje | no |
| 16:45.21 | Muisje | I only have 1 installation on it |
| 16:45.27 | Muisje | Debian Etchy 4 |
| 16:45.32 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:45.32 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:45.50 | Wyzard | Muisje: Then it's fine to use UTC, but if your BIOS clock actually contains local time, rather than UTC, that's why your system is showing the wrong time |
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| 16:46.09 | Muisje | Wyzard next time it shut downs |
| 16:46.15 | Muisje | or when i replace CPU cooler |
| 16:46.22 | Wyzard | Muisje: If you set your system clock to be correct (such as with "ntpd -g -q" as I mentioned earlier, or with ntpdate), the correct (UTC) time will be stored to the BIOS clock next time you shut down |
| 16:46.22 | Muisje | I'll change it 2 hours back |
| 16:46.32 | Muisje | ow oki |
| 16:46.37 | Muisje | even if the system crashes? |
| 16:46.46 | Wyzard | Muisje: No, only a clean shutdown |
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| 16:47.11 | Muisje | Can i set it right now? |
| 16:47.14 | cahoot | if he runs hwclock --systohc? |
| 16:47.16 | shadey_ | cahoot: cheers, will test this in a sec (after a file transfer is finished) |
| 16:47.16 | Muisje | Without rebooting? |
| 16:47.20 | Wyzard | Muisje: but you can store it manually with "/etc/init.d/hwclock.sh stop" |
| 16:47.29 | Wyzard | Muisje: which really just runs hwclock for you |
| 16:47.32 | Muisje | and thatn start? |
| 16:47.37 | Muisje | re* |
| 16:47.44 | Wyzard | Muisje: You don't even need to start it afterward... it's not a program |
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| 16:48.03 | Wyzard | Muisje: "start" loads the system clock from the BIOS clock and normally happens at startup, and "stop" stores the system clock to the BIOS clock and normally happens at shutdown |
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| 16:48.15 | Muisje | oki |
| 16:48.32 | Muisje | Saving the system clock.. |
| 16:49.00 | Wyzard | Muisje: Assuming you've already made your system clock correct, your BIOS clock is now correct too |
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| 16:53.56 | Muisje | Great Wyzard |
| 16:54.00 | Muisje | thank you for being so Wyze |
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| 16:56.53 | shadey_ | cahoot: working a lot faster now :-) thanks |
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| 16:57.30 | cahoot | shadey_: np |
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| 16:58.12 | Tanaka | hi |
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| 16:59.49 | artagnon | which package is the linker ld associated with? |
| 17:00.02 | Tanaka | i managed to get debian lenny installed on my system by using the weekly snapshot of debian lenny kde cd |
| 17:00.11 | shadey_ | "UseDNS no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config works nice too :-) |
| 17:00.23 | me_here | aragnon: binutils |
| 17:00.25 | me_here | +t |
| 17:00.30 | abrotman | artagnon: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:00.45 | cahoot | shadey_: I see - good to know |
| 17:01.11 | Tanaka | is there a method to install just the basic system without kde using the disc |
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| 17:01.40 | me_here | what is the difference between -c=old new or comp of ldconfigs format option ? |
| 17:02.36 | abrotman | possibly uncheck the desktop task |
| 17:02.44 | artagnon | abrotman: one sec |
| 17:02.56 | liable | iwl3945 is in wireless-dev :) |
| 17:02.56 | me_here | after getting non-dpkg libs linked i had to use -c=old and relink all else i would get segfault or overflow failures upon chrooting |
| 17:03.08 | me_here | eheh |
| 17:03.10 | me_here | oh man |
| 17:03.19 | artagnon | [22:35]...tract/fluxbox-1.0rc3: dpkg -S /bin/zsh |
| 17:03.19 | artagnon | dpkg: /bin/zsh not found. |
| 17:03.21 | Tanaka | is it in the expert mode |
| 17:03.22 | artagnon | abrotman: ^^ |
| 17:03.38 | artagnon | what does that mean? I have zsh installed and /bin/zsh very much exists |
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| 17:03.53 | abrotman | artagnon: remove the leading slash ... just bin/zsh |
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| 17:04.25 | artagnon | abrotman: okay, could you run it on ld for me? I don't seem to have ld |
| 17:04.32 | Tanaka | can any of u guys tell me how to install sid over lenny |
| 17:04.41 | abrotman | !find bin/ld$ etch |
| 17:04.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ld' (5): (/usr/bin/ld) in devel/binutils ;; (/usr/avr/bin/ld) in devel/binutils-avr ;; (/usr/m68hc11/bin/ld) in devel/binutils-m68hc1x ;; (/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/ld) in devel/mingw32-binutils ;; (/usr/h8300-hitachi-coff/bin/ld) in devel/binutils-h8300-hms. |
| 17:04.48 | abrotman | Tanaka: if you have to ask .. you shouldn't |
| 17:05.07 | artagnon | binutils? |
| 17:05.10 | abrotman | yep |
| 17:05.21 | Tanaka | abrotman, why |
| 17:05.24 | waqjan | Tanaka: vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:05.24 | artagnon | :( I obviously have binutils |
| 17:05.42 | abrotman | Tanaka: because ... things will break .. and if you don't know how to get sid .. you won't know how to fix the problems |
| 17:05.44 | artagnon | abrotman: thanks for the assistance, I'll look up |
| 17:05.44 | abrotman | artagnon: reinstall it |
| 17:07.04 | Tanaka | there is almost nothing to break as i just installed lenny |
| 17:07.07 | artagnon | hmm.. that's not the problem... I interpreted it wrongly |
| 17:07.23 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 17:07.23 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 17:07.26 | abrotman | Tanaka: ^^^^ |
| 17:07.32 | artagnon | "C compiler cannot create executables" << What does this mean? |
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| 17:07.52 | abrotman | !b-e artagnon |
| 17:07.52 | dpkg | artagnon: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 17:08.03 | artagnon | build-essential. Okay |
| 17:08.07 | Tanaka | ok i got! |
| 17:08.17 | Tanaka | ok i got it! |
| 17:08.23 | wols | abrotman: I could have told you to say that to him the first time he asked for ld :P |
| 17:08.27 | artagnon | oh shit, the kernel headers |
| 17:08.34 | abrotman | wols: i just thought he deleted it |
| 17:08.49 | artagnon | abrotman: thanks for the tip |
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| 17:09.07 | dureyes | can someone recommend a binary search application like Grabit for newsgroups for linux? |
| 17:10.45 | N1ckR | does debian tweak/brand/patch packages in general, or leave them vanilla ? |
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| 17:11.56 | jelly-home | N1ckR: it depends on the package and the maintainer |
| 17:12.07 | Azar | N1ckR: if I understood well your question: there are only security upgrades , not "upgrades" to packages |
| 17:12.10 | wols | at almost always needs to tweak a bit /paths for example) |
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| 17:12.21 | wols | but usually debian is a lot less heavy handed than suse or rh |
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| 17:12.36 | abrotman | N1ckR: they have changelogs |
| 17:12.45 | jelly-home | and diff.gzs |
| 17:12.47 | N1ckR | wols - thats exactly what I was wondering, cheers. |
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| 17:14.08 | Azar | do we got a new set of manuals online / or the old debian manuals been updated to fit Etch's profile? |
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| 17:14.30 | N1ckR | some people have said to me that etch can be used as a rolling update distro, apart from the big freeze does this work, or do things gradually slow down towards freeze ? |
| 17:14.47 | Azar | I am refering to : http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals |
| 17:15.00 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 17:15.00 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 17:15.02 | wols | N1ckR: testing is gradually upgraded. etch being stable isn't |
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| 17:15.24 | cibbao | http://s2.gladiatus.it/game/c.php?uid=18304 |
| 17:15.25 | cibbao | WOWWWW |
| 17:15.28 | cibbao | FANTASTIC |
| 17:15.28 | cibbao | http://s2.gladiatus.it/game/c.php?uid=18304 |
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| 17:15.32 | nikns | is there non-PAE kernel images available? |
| 17:15.43 | nikns | cibbao: :* |
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| 17:15.45 | cibbao | http://s2.gladiatus.it/game/c.php?uid=18304 |
| 17:15.46 | cibbao | click |
| 17:15.49 | nikns | fuck |
| 17:15.49 | abrotman | !ops cibbao spamming |
| 17:15.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: cibbao spamming |
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| 17:15.50 | Azar | N1ckR: or if you want to stay stable and use some of "lenny" packages you can use backports |
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| 17:17.30 | N1ckR | yes, I understand stable, just trying to grasp how testing progresses - to me seems a good balance between bleeding edge and stable. |
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| 17:18.56 | ma3x | the sis900 driver for linux is so buggy - it's causing me %30 loss of my bandwidth. isn't there an alternative driver? |
| 17:19.05 | waqjan | unstable hasn't given me too many problems as a server |
| 17:19.56 | ma3x | it has only broken dependencies, I think that's the main problem |
| 17:19.58 | wintix | waqjan: accident waiting to happen |
| 17:20.50 | waqjan | some packages aren't available in stable |
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| 17:21.09 | xand | unstable on a server? ROFLCOPTERS |
| 17:21.15 | wintix | ever heard of backporting stuff? |
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| 17:21.24 | waqjan | it's a home server |
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| 17:22.06 | N1ckR | One thing I dont quite understand is the thing about the new version in testing is supposed to have less critical bugs than the last, is that to encourage things to stay in unstable ? |
| 17:22.19 | liable | i cant get a dhcp lease on three different cards using a range of drivers |
| 17:22.33 | wols | nikns: the amount of bugs in testing or unstable is unspecified. it's luck |
| 17:22.34 | waqjan | I read somewhere that software doesn't get into stable until it runs on 11 different archs |
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| 17:22.41 | ma3x | wintix, there arent many backports |
| 17:22.50 | wintix | ma3x: well. backport it yourself. |
| 17:22.57 | wols | xand: my sid box runs fine. only time it shuts down is a new kernel or fuse blows :) |
| 17:22.57 | ma3x | wintix, with chroot? |
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| 17:23.09 | wintix | !tell ma3x about simple sid backport |
| 17:23.24 | wols | waqjan: mostly yes but not totally. and I think it's 13 platforms by now |
| 17:23.37 | waqjan | that takes a lot of time |
| 17:24.02 | wols | now you know why freeze is so long :) |
| 17:24.08 | waqjan | wols: lucky you. my power goes out twice/thrice a day |
| 17:24.25 | N1ckR | about 4 times a year for me. |
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| 17:24.42 | N1ckR | for power cuts that is, not sex. |
| 17:25.13 | wols | N1ckR: a year is not 10 revolutions of earth around the sun... |
| 17:25.40 | nikns | this fucking pae crap pisses me off |
| 17:25.43 | regeya | ;3~ |
| 17:25.53 | waqjan | !google pae |
| 17:25.53 | regeya | obviously |
| 17:25.58 | wols | nikns: get a decent cpu and run 64bit debian |
| 17:26.04 | regeya | what's pae |
| 17:26.04 | leVel | Where can i find information on setting up a basic firewall? |
| 17:26.07 | nikns | wols: i need netbsd as guest os |
| 17:26.21 | wols | regeya: a way for P4s to access more than 4GB in 32bit mode |
| 17:26.29 | N1ckR | wols, ouch, 13 platforms ! Surely it would make sense to split things up a bit ? |
| 17:26.29 | wols | nikns: and? |
| 17:26.34 | nikns | netbsd is non-PAE, so i can't run that on PAE ENABLED debian |
| 17:26.39 | regeya | oh heh |
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| 17:26.51 | wols | nikns: I told you.use 64bit debian |
| 17:26.58 | xand | N1ckR: how/why? |
| 17:27.05 | regeya | and I'd love to :-( |
| 17:27.23 | nikns | on 64bit debian i will not be able to run 32bit XEN NetBSD |
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| 17:27.28 | N1ckR | why should 386 have to wait for x64 to stabilise ? |
| 17:27.29 | nikns | i need non-PAE 32bit kernel to run NETBSD as domU |
| 17:27.30 | wols | nikns: why not? you can run a 32bit debian or 32bit windows just fine |
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| 17:27.38 | wols | what makes netbsd so special? |
| 17:27.46 | nikns | netbsd/freebsd |
| 17:27.51 | nikns | they are non-PAE |
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| 17:27.56 | wols | and? |
| 17:27.57 | nikns | xen, ya know? |
| 17:28.01 | regeya | bleh, isn't there an intel 64-bit netbsd? |
| 17:28.04 | nikns | xen, ya know? |
| 17:28.05 | wols | 64bit doesn't use pae either |
| 17:28.12 | liable | leVel: look for an iptables tutorial or something like shorewall |
| 17:28.14 | regeya | for pete's sake, netbsd runs on toasters, but not 64-bit intel? sheesh. |
| 17:28.15 | nikns | xen, ya know? |
| 17:28.29 | nikns | lols |
| 17:28.32 | N1ckR | regeya, I thought it powered car washes ? |
| 17:28.35 | leVel | thanks |
| 17:28.38 | wols | nikns: that is irrelevant. windows has no support for xen either anywhere run just fine |
| 17:28.49 | nikns | well, you have no clue about xen |
| 17:28.51 | wols | as long as you have VT that is |
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| 17:29.06 | wols | you obviously not either or it would run :P |
| 17:29.07 | ManuP | is there anything bad about installing ttf via ttmkfdir? |
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| 17:32.39 | peterS | you know, it's a lot less awkward to just say "I" instead of "/me" sometimes |
| 17:32.47 | Azar | nikns: you have idea which processors work for xen and which not? |
| 17:33.07 | g00se | What's the best reference for driver compatibility? |
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| 17:33.41 | Azar | that's right, google |
| 17:33.50 | regeya | peterS, you know, sometimes unsolicited advice is also unwanted advice :-} |
| 17:34.03 | peterS | you are not required to heed it |
| 17:34.12 | g00se | Azar: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/HVM_Compatible_Processors |
| 17:34.23 | Azar | g00se: that was the correct answer |
| 17:34.25 | Azar | :) |
| 17:34.44 | Azar | nikns does not seem to have found it yet |
| 17:34.45 | regeya | peterS heh |
| 17:35.05 | wols | g00se: "linux <chip name>" in google |
| 17:35.06 | wols | !hcl |
| 17:35.07 | dpkg | well, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
| 17:35.27 | Azar | :D |
| 17:35.34 | g00se | wols: was hoping for something a little more precise ;-) |
| 17:36.12 | Azar | g00se: ah the joy of searching, finding and enjoying... where is that gone? |
| 17:36.40 | g00se | It's actually ATI Radeon Xpress 1150 so i reckon i'll be OK. Nice to know for certain though |
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| 17:38.53 | wols | g00se: I gave you one. but google beats !hcl by far |
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| 17:39.11 | g00se | Thanks |
| 17:39.13 | wols | g00se: it will work. probably with the "ati" driver |
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| 17:39.49 | Chippi | hi |
| 17:39.55 | Azar | lxer just had an article about a new ati linux driver... |
| 17:40.02 | jelly-home | wols: you sure it's not the new AVIVO stuff that's not supported even with 2d? |
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| 17:40.27 | liable | Azar: link |
| 17:40.33 | g00se | Ah yes? I'll be running stable |
| 17:40.35 | Azar | ok holdon |
| 17:40.45 | liable | i checked yesterday and theres no new one |
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| 17:41.20 | Azar | http://www.linuxlookup.com/2007/jun/01/ati_linux_x86_display_driver_8_37_6_released |
| 17:41.21 | liable | fuckers better enable the texture from pixmaps thing soon |
| 17:41.30 | wols | jelly-home: the 1150 is one of the shitty IGPs. so it might be a pre r300 card |
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| 17:41.45 | wols | no clue about avivo, but that is buggy no matter what driver anyways |
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| 17:42.15 | leVel | Shorewall seems compicated, could i use Firestarter insted? |
| 17:42.52 | jelly-home | wols: me Radeon Xpress 200 is definitely post R300 (it works in 2D nicely with free drivers, though) |
| 17:43.16 | logixoul | Hi. I'm reading README.Debian (part of the Typo3 packages) and there's one part I don't understand. Can anyone explain it please? Here goes. |
| 17:43.17 | logixoul | The provided example configuration for the apache uses the PHP safe |
| 17:43.17 | logixoul | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.17 | logixoul | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.17 | logixoul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:43.34 | logixoul | er, sorry :) |
| 17:43.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried bouncy? BEST GAME EVER |
| 17:43.58 | logixoul | maybe someone will come to #flood so I can paste there? |
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| 17:44.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://users.alioth.debian.org/~baby-guest/pyweek/ |
| 17:44.31 | Chippi | where can I get motv? |
| 17:44.32 | bagoor | In configuring PHP in php.ini we have upload_tmp_dir direction and if we do not set it, it will use the system default. How can I find out what is system default temp directory ? |
| 17:44.59 | jelly-home | liable: still no support for xorg 7.2 |
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| 17:45.25 | liable | jelly-home: fuckers, i was just about ti whine about that |
| 17:45.50 | abrotman | ever? |
| 17:45.51 | g00se | Hope the ATI situation won't be adversely affected by 64 bit? http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4HJC |
| 17:45.54 | liable | whats so fucking hard about it |
| 17:46.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: oh it's 3d, is your intel card fast enough? |
| 17:46.12 | jelly-home | nothing hard... just don't buy ati ;-) |
| 17:46.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
| 17:46.27 | hark | it supports 7.2, just not anything beyond that :) |
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| 17:46.54 | liable | hark: it doesnt say it supports 7.2 |
| 17:47.22 | liable | hark: the last one did, and it broke due to the new naming convention |
| 17:47.35 | wols | tarzeau: low, low.but I like it :) |
| 17:47.47 | hark | liable: oh, heh even better :) |
| 17:48.52 | wols | jelly-home: optimist |
| 17:49.00 | liable | jelly-home: why would they bother packaging it if it doesnt do 7.2? |
| 17:49.05 | jelly-home | wols: half full, I say! |
| 17:49.25 | jelly-home | liable: nothing wrong with 7.1 from etch/lenny |
| 17:49.40 | hatta | hey, how can I get mkdir to complete filenames in bash on sid? |
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| 17:49.59 | liable | jelly-home: and how would that get to etch or lenny ? |
| 17:50.00 | hatta | I don't have complete +d mkdir set, but it behaves as if it were |
| 17:50.43 | jelly-home | liable: it doesn't have to get there for me to use it... just the the 8.36.5 from experimental. |
| 17:50.44 | liable | jelly-home: etch wont ever see it, and lenny prolly has 7.2 already, so its pointless ;) |
| 17:50.56 | jelly-home | !info xserver-xorg lenny |
| 17:51.02 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-18 (lenny), Packaged size: 450 kB, Installed size: 1368 kB |
| 17:51.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: bad |
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| 17:51.11 | hark | liable: don't worry, amd's going to opensource it.. eventually ;) |
| 17:51.25 | xand | why when I install pptp-linux package does apt-get recommend kernel-patch-mppe which doesn't exist? |
| 17:51.30 | liable | hark: i'll be using intel by then ;) |
| 17:51.52 | hatta | complete -o filenames -F _longopt mkdir |
| 17:51.52 | hatta | complete -o filenames -F _longopt ls |
| 17:51.57 | mick_home | i prefer amd to intel anyday |
| 17:52.02 | hatta | yet mkdir won't complete filenames like ls does |
| 17:52.13 | jelly-home | xand: outdated dependencies, possibly. the mppe patch was included in mainline before 2.6.18 |
| 17:52.23 | liable | mick_home: amd make an opensource graphics chip? |
| 17:52.39 | xand | jelly-home: someone forgot to remove it? (it's on pdo too) |
| 17:52.49 | jelly-home | xand: file a bug report, I guess |
| 17:52.56 | mick_home | intel has that fake "open bios" thing where they rel;ease the unimportant parts of the bios (it was a PR stunt) |
| 17:52.59 | abrotman | pdo might be out of date |
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| 17:53.14 | mick_home | liable: does intel? |
| 17:53.35 | mick_home | i know of one effort to create an open source videocard + driver |
| 17:53.45 | liable | mick_home: the drivers i meant, and yes |
| 17:54.09 | mick_home | hmm, news to me |
| 17:54.17 | jelly-home | mick_home: yes, intel has opensource drivers for their onboard chips |
| 17:54.34 | mick_home | i misunderstood |
| 17:54.35 | wols | mick_home: and it will suck even more than intel's offering |
| 17:54.42 | wols | jelly-home: he means open source hardware too |
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| 17:55.00 | mick_home | "amd make an opensource graphics chip" sounded like open source hardware |
| 17:55.10 | mick_home | to me anyway |
| 17:55.11 | jelly-home | fat chance |
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| 17:56.08 | \amethyst | mick_home: open-source drivers maybe, but you're not getting the copyright on the chips, for example |
| 17:56.12 | wols | a VP of marketing said they want to opensource the driver. 99% that guy didn't know what open source means |
| 17:56.20 | wols | typical marketroid idiot |
| 17:56.46 | furrywolf | Odd problem... why does "apt-get remove gocr" want to remove opera, quiteinsane, xserver-common, and some things that do not, no matter how I poke at the dependencies, have anything whatsoever to do with gocr? |
| 17:57.10 | mick_home | furrywolf: lol |
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| 17:57.49 | furrywolf | removing other software hasn't been a problem (spent the morning freeing up disk space)... gocr never works well enough to use, but it won't let me remove it without removing a whole bunch of stuff I don't want to remove. :) |
| 17:57.50 | abrotman | i'm sure opera depends on xserver-common |
| 17:57.56 | \amethyst | furrywolf: quiteinsane depends on gocr, so it has to be removed. I don't know what's going on with opera or xserver-common... |
| 17:58.00 | xingu | furrywolf: apt knows what's best for you |
| 17:58.16 | \amethyst | furrywolf: did you upgrade recently? |
| 17:58.31 | furrywolf | abrotman: I'd figure it does, too. but xserver-common had better not depend on gocr. :) |
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| 17:58.53 | \amethyst | furrywolf: Is this sarge or etch? xserver-common is gone in etch |
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| 17:59.41 | furrywolf | \amethyst: I've upgraded a couple random applications recently, but no major updates... haven't had the drive space, and it wants a bloody gig more drive space to upgrade everything. |
| 18:00.04 | furrywolf | whatever testing was until the last release, then I changed it to stable. |
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| 18:01.14 | abrotman | etch |
| 18:01.17 | \amethyst | furrywolf: etch. Then xserver-common being removed isn't a problem |
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| 18:03.19 | furrywolf | it wants to remove some other things, and is insisting on upgrading a whole bunch of X stuff (and some completely unrelated stuff... I don't need a new copy of povray to remove gocr!)... all I want to remove is gocr and anything depending on it, not spend 6 hours downloading upgrades... |
| 18:03.32 | jelly-home | furrywolf: upgrade opera. use their "testing" or "unstable" packages, the stable may have too old Depends lines. |
| 18:03.49 | Azar | \amethyst: question: back in August 2006 I upgraded one of my sarge boxes to etch (testing) and I kept xserver-xfree86. Do I suppose to get that box upgraded to xorg? |
| 18:03.56 | furrywolf | but I shouldn't have to do any of that to _remove_ gocr. apt-get is doing something weird, and I don't know why. |
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| 18:04.29 | furrywolf | quiteinsane depending on gocr is understandable. everything else... |
| 18:04.31 | abrotman | jelly-home: no .. it works fine on stable |
| 18:04.34 | \amethyst | Azar: what version of xserver-xfree86? |
| 18:04.37 | jelly-home | furrywolf: apt-get can be buggy at times, though |
| 18:04.49 | Azar | furrywolf: it seems that some of the old "testing" packages need upgraded/changed I guess |
| 18:04.56 | \amethyst | Azar: there's a transitional package by that name, so you might already have xorg |
| 18:05.00 | furrywolf | a bunch of stuff needs to be updated... but I shouldn't have to upgrade things to remove things. :) |
| 18:05.09 | klikklak | has anyone tried dualhead with monitors that do different resolutions (1280x1024, 1680x1050)? Do you end up with 'dead space' ? |
| 18:05.15 | Azar | \amethyst: I will have to boot that box to see it. Been 10 months I unplugged it |
| 18:05.37 | liable | furrywolf: remove it with dpkg |
| 18:05.52 | Azar | furrywolf: I assume old packages will be automatically removed and replaced by apt.. |
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| 18:06.18 | furrywolf | last time I tried that, it took me a month to make anything work right again. forcefully removing things with dpkg seems to be a bad idea. :) |
| 18:06.22 | wintix | furrywolf: or maybe use aptitude |
| 18:06.46 | furrywolf | I've never liked aptitude... everyone tells me to stop using dselect, but it's so much nicer. :) |
| 18:06.53 | Azar | furrywolf: "aptitude" that is almost same as apt-get fixes broken/missing packages |
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| 18:07.05 | tarzeau | furrywolf: i usually apt-get remove both (dselect and aptitude) |
| 18:07.15 | tarzeau | Azar: oh and it's not apt-get compatible |
| 18:07.18 | Azar | haha, hi tarzeau |
| 18:07.26 | tarzeau | hi Azar |
| 18:07.28 | wintix | well. give aptitude a try, maybe it will do what you want, furrywolf. |
| 18:07.29 | xingu | abrotman: nice one (bouncy) |
| 18:07.39 | tarzeau | Azar: have you tried the sauerbraten package in debian too? |
| 18:07.45 | tarzeau | xingu: i said it's nice :) |
| 18:08.06 | Azar | tarzeau: not yet, just back from hospital, checking it now |
| 18:08.24 | furrywolf | grr, and I forgot I broke aptitude last time I used it for something. |
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| 18:09.06 | furrywolf | (insists about 99% of everything is broken, won't do anything) |
| 18:09.12 | wols | N1ckR: and you tell US this? |
| 18:09.15 | Azar | furrywolf: is a matter of taste and skill: tarzeau has the skill and I don't that why I use aptitude |
| 18:09.17 | xingu | tarzeau: oh yeah, you not that other fake abrotman imposter |
| 18:09.20 | xingu | :) |
| 18:09.26 | xingu | tarzeau: where *do* you find the time? |
| 18:09.47 | N1ckR | wols :D I was going to say something, relevant but I forgot. |
| 18:09.49 | wols | xingu: you have tarzeau to pretest for you and weed out the crap |
| 18:10.00 | wols | so you save a lot of time |
| 18:10.06 | wols | !praise abrotman |
| 18:10.10 | \amethyst | furrywolf: in the aptitude menu, try going to Actions->Cancel pending actions |
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| 18:10.15 | Azar | haha |
| 18:10.29 | wols | abrotman: don't forget the alimony |
| 18:10.37 | wintix | heh |
| 18:10.40 | furrywolf | \amethyst: heh, tried that when I broke it... purging and re-installing it now. |
| 18:10.45 | busfahrer | Is it a problem if I have a partitioning where, for example, hda is more towards the end of the blockrange than hdb? (fdisk says "Partition table entries are not in disk order") |
| 18:10.50 | Azar | abrotman is going to watch ball games |
| 18:11.17 | kakarto | does anybody how to enable direct rendering on a intel i810 graphic card? |
| 18:11.19 | wols | busfahrer: usually it will work. can be a problem tho but that's mostly undefined when |
| 18:11.29 | furrywolf | hrmm, wants to upgrade apt to re-install it... maybe that'll install one that can figure out xserver-common doesn't depending on gocr. :) |
| 18:11.33 | xingu | tarzeau: mrs xingu says "it needs more levels" :) |
| 18:11.36 | tarzeau | xingu: i got a debian packaging job |
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| 18:12.38 | abrotman | Azar: tomorrow i am |
| 18:12.38 | tarzeau | xingu: here's 3d editor for ya: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/misfitmodel3d/ |
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| 18:12.39 | Azar | abrotman: can you kindly update us with the scores after the games? |
| 18:12.39 | wols | !info bouncy |
| 18:12.39 | jelly-home | liable: btw, I must correct myself. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=734&num=1 says there is support for xorg 7.2: "Affecting this driver the most is support for X server version 1.3 and appended several other fixes along with a slight upgrade to the AMD Catalyst Control Center Linux Edition" |
| 18:12.39 | tarzeau | xingu: err http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/misfitmodel3d/ |
| 18:12.39 | abrotman | Azar: sports.yahoo.com/mlb |
| 18:12.40 | busfahrer | wols: thanks |
| 18:12.40 | furrywolf | kakarto: my old laptop had one of those... I think it either works or it doesn't, not much you can do with it. old, slow, car... |
| 18:12.40 | tarzeau | wols: it's still in new queu :) |
| 18:12.40 | furrywolf | card |
| 18:12.40 | Azar | ahhh nice |
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| 18:12.48 | wols | tarzeau: if it's not in debian, it doesn't exist. QeD |
| 18:12.54 | Azar | hahaha |
| 18:12.57 | tarzeau | wols: it's in debian new queue |
| 18:13.00 | hesco | This may not be the right place to ask, I don't know. Things looked awfully quiet on the mailx channel I just created in hopes of finding a more informed audience for this question. |
| 18:13.05 | wols | tarzeau: dpkg said so. and she never lies |
| 18:13.06 | tarzeau | wols: and we know where it is on the internets! |
| 18:13.27 | tarzeau | wols: put your dpkg 1 month ahead, and she'll know it |
| 18:13.34 | Azar | hesco: your question is way too kindly formulated not to find help here |
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| 18:13.50 | wols | well, today is june, not july. so there |
| 18:14.01 | hesco | I've used mailx as my principle email client for years, but with the new version available in etch, its behavior has changed in significant ways and before I accidently delete large quantities of correspondence. |
| 18:14.05 | liable | great xsf have made a conflict with fglrx |
| 18:14.14 | xingu | tarzeau: so how long before you quietly slip a python vm into iceweasel then? |
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| 18:14.33 | wols | xingu: beats jscript... |
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| 18:14.37 | Wooksta | i've just installed debian for the first time, when i try and install a package using apt i get the error "Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/" etc, can anyone help? |
| 18:14.38 | furrywolf | while I'm here with debian questions... why does debian's glut seems to be missing glutsolidteapot() and glutwireteapot()? :) |
| 18:14.41 | hesco | I wanted to find some documentation for the users of the tired old version which has adorned my previous machines. Any ideas? |
| 18:14.46 | Azar | hesco: so your question would be : is there a howto for the new mailx version in Etch? |
| 18:14.53 | hesco | exactly. |
| 18:14.57 | tarzeau | xingu: i don't like python, nor iceweasel (mozilla generally) |
| 18:15.10 | tarzeau | xingu: my main web browser is links2 -g |
| 18:15.20 | jelly-home | furrywolf: could be the source for those depended on a non-free model? |
| 18:15.20 | tarzeau | furrywolf: which video driver? |
| 18:15.22 | wols | tarzeau: too many ads |
| 18:15.43 | furrywolf | all the other glut primitives work perfectly, and the mesademo package's tests that use teapots also don't work, so it's not just my code. |
| 18:15.46 | hark | liable: is it the version string problem? because there's some patch for it out there. |
| 18:16.05 | furrywolf | tarzeau: a slightly old version of xorg with the standard xorg radeon driver. |
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| 18:16.23 | hesco | So Azar: any ideas of where this might be documented? |
| 18:16.26 | furrywolf | jelly: I'd figure the utah teapot shape isn't copyrighted. heh. |
| 18:16.32 | nikns | Azar: you know which processors are compatible to which processor guests? |
| 18:16.35 | hesco | apt-cache show gave me no webpage url for a mailx development home page |
| 18:16.55 | furrywolf | it's not a problem, just annoying, as I spent a full day troubleshooting my code thinking the problem was something I did. :) |
| 18:16.59 | mirak | can grub boot on reierfs ? |
| 18:17.00 | liable | hark: new core package downloading atm, lets see if its still a conflict |
| 18:17.20 | abrotman | try the license |
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| 18:17.29 | me_here | mirak: according to my tables it can |
| 18:17.57 | hark | liable: there is :( for fglrx-driver (<< 8.37.6) |
| 18:18.15 | liable | i have the new one |
| 18:18.22 | me_here | mirak: if i'm not fooled by the system i mean... |
| 18:18.23 | furrywolf | woot! purging and re-installing aptitude finally got it to figure out that I had zero broken packages, not 2000 broken packages. :) |
| 18:18.39 | wols | mirak: yes it can |
| 18:18.59 | liable | hark: it doesnt show <8.37.6 for me, just fglrx-driver period |
| 18:19.40 | furrywolf | and aptitude lets me remove gocr and quiteinsane with no problems. apt-get still wants to remove 11 packages and install 31 new ones to remove gocr. go figure... |
| 18:20.29 | wols | furrywolf: why not stay with oldstable? |
| 18:20.32 | mirak | me_here wols thanks |
| 18:20.54 | furrywolf | wols: my box was testing before the most recent release, and things are a lot closer to the current stable than the old one. |
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| 18:21.23 | jelly-home | furrywolf: funny, the docs (in freeglut3-dev) mention glutWireTeapot and glutSolidTeapot, not saying anything has been removed. |
| 18:21.47 | hesco | or, in case there are users of the new version of mailx here, let me try my question this way: In the legacy version of mailx, I was able to print or save the messages from a list with this: `p /[List_Short_Name]`. |
| 18:21.55 | hesco | That no longer works. |
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| 18:22.23 | furrywolf | jelly-home: I did a bit of research, and couldn't find anything... but even the demos in the mesademos package (such as teapot.c among others) don't work.... all the same symptom: everything works perfectly except the actual teapot. |
| 18:22.29 | xingu | glutLittleTeapot(double shortness, double stoutness) |
| 18:23.11 | hesco | I used to be able to include the message being responded to with a `~f`, now `~f` displays the responded to message, but does not include it in the response message. |
| 18:23.19 | jelly-home | furrywolf: which version of freeglut3{,-dev} do you have? |
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| 18:23.38 | furrywolf | teapot.c shows a teapot against various backgrounds with various lights, rotating camera, and a bunch of other stuff... all the backgrounds work, the lights move and project onto the background, the camera spins, etc, but there's no teapot... just like my program, that I spent a day thinking was my code. :) |
| 18:23.39 | hesco | These have been the most annoying aspects of the changes interface I've discovered so far. |
| 18:23.52 | hesco | Any ideas how to do these things in the etch version of mailx? |
| 18:24.12 | furrywolf | Package: freeglut3-dev Version: 2.4.0-5 |
| 18:24.19 | jelly-home | furrywolf: a-ha, so it builds and everything, just no model? that's strange. |
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| 18:25.51 | furrywolf | jelly: everything works perfectly, except the teapot is never drawn, and the functions return suspiciously quickly. |
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| 18:25.52 | furrywolf | I tried disabling all lighting, shading, etc just to be sure it wasn't some video driver issue with it, but still nothing... all the other primitives work perfectly. |
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| 18:26.02 | furrywolf | I wrote a teapot in as a placeholder until I got the rest of the code written, and was very worried when no teapot showed up, so spent the day trying to see how I managed to write a 20-line program incorrectly. :) |
| 18:26.21 | jelly-home | heh |
| 18:27.13 | liable | jelly-home: it does work for 7.2 |
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| 18:27.43 | liable | i wonder if i can get xgl to work again |
| 18:28.13 | jelly-home | furrywolf: demos/teapot.c works-for-me on lenny, freeglut3* 2.4.0-5.1 |
| 18:28.22 | wintix | liable: you want to use aiglx :) |
| 18:28.30 | jelly-home | wintix: there is no aiglx |
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| 18:28.36 | furrywolf | http://www.bushytails.net/~furrywolf/sphere09.png http://www.bushytails.net/~furrywolf/sphere08.png <== the final output of the program, if anyone likes shiny things. |
| 18:28.38 | Noiano | hello everybody |
| 18:28.42 | liable | wintix: you tell me how with an x1400 and i will.. :P |
| 18:28.54 | piztek | how can i switch from grub to lilo? |
| 18:28.55 | wintix | liable: hmmk |
| 18:28.56 | furrywolf | jelly-home: it does the rotating lights and all that, and there's actually a teapot in the middle? |
| 18:29.03 | whaq | ..a little teapot.. short and stout.. |
| 18:29.06 | wintix | jelly-home: care to elaborate? |
| 18:29.17 | Noiano | I am looking for a simple beginners guide for iptables...any suggestions? |
| 18:29.23 | ManuP | partimage says, it is experimental to create ntfs images. has someone ever made a ntfs image and replayed it? |
| 18:30.01 | purplepenguins | really quick |
| 18:30.11 | purplepenguins | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.12 | liable | ManuP: i did actually, about two years ago, it failed during the process but i had a working windows install |
| 18:30.43 | piztek | how do i switch from grub to lilo? |
| 18:30.52 | ManuP | liable, argh, sounds not so good. but two years is a long time. |
| 18:31.01 | jelly-home | wintix: fglrx drivers don't support it yet |
| 18:31.13 | liable | piztek: install lilo, run liloconfig edit /etc/lilo.conf, run lilo |
| 18:31.15 | ManuP | piztek, just installing lilo should override the mbr. |
| 18:31.19 | jelly-home | furrywolf: yes, there is a teapot |
| 18:31.32 | piztek | should i uninstall grub? |
| 18:31.35 | liable | ManuP: no it doesnt |
| 18:31.37 | CharminTheMoose | damn I really dislike g++4.1 and gcc4.1, they're just too 'new' |
| 18:31.40 | liable | piztek: no need |
| 18:31.52 | wintix | jelly-home: yes. but aiglx is existent. at least for nvidia users ;) |
| 18:31.55 | furrywolf | jelly: hrmm, sec, I'll take a screencap of mine. |
| 18:32.04 | jelly-home | wintix: that wasn't the context |
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| 18:32.10 | piztek | so install and reboot? |
| 18:32.12 | purplepenguins | because it's spamming me with messages saying that my CPU is overheating |
| 18:32.29 | jelly-home | furrywolf: don't have to, I can imagine no teapot clearly ;-) |
| 18:32.30 | liable | piztek: i told you what you needed to do |
| 18:32.44 | liable | piztek: simply installing it wont do anything |
| 18:32.47 | wintix | jelly-home: hm. you win. |
| 18:33.34 | hesco | so any pointers on where mailx questions might find an answer? |
| 18:33.37 | piztek | liloconfig from terminal? |
| 18:33.42 | purplepenguins | apparently it thinks my CPU is running at 90C |
| 18:33.44 | furrywolf | heh |
| 18:33.46 | purplepenguins | which is ridiculous... |
| 18:34.10 | furrywolf | if I put a call to any of the other primitives after the teapot call, they appear and work perfectly... just not the teapot! |
| 18:34.11 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.15 | CharminTheMoose | is lilo(the bootloader) dead? |
| 18:34.18 | xingu | jelly-home, furrywolf: fwiw mesademos progs/demos/teapot.c works just fine here too. |
| 18:34.21 | wols | CharminTheMoose: no |
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| 18:34.37 | piztek | liloconfig: command not found |
| 18:34.42 | furrywolf | http://www.bushytails.net/~furrywolf/teapotdemo.png <== teapot.c for me |
| 18:34.42 | CharminTheMoose | why would you use lilo when you have the greatness that is grub? |
| 18:34.44 | xingu | jelly-home, furrywolf: nvidia proprietry driver if it matters, on sid. |
| 18:34.47 | wols | !find liloconfig |
| 18:34.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'liloconfig' (3): (/usr/sbin/liloconfig) in admin/lilo ;; (/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/rhl-liloconfig.html) in doc/doc-linux-html ;; (/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/ja-html/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/rhl-liloconfig.html) in doc/doc-linux-ja-html. |
| 18:35.12 | furrywolf | xingu: ah, the total crap, buggy, crash-causing, x-install-killing nvidia drivers, that I tell people not to touch with a 10ft pole? :P |
| 18:35.19 | xingu | furrywolf: probably. |
| 18:35.20 | piztek | liable, liloconfig, command not found |
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| 18:35.31 | wols | piztek: read what dpkg just wrote |
| 18:35.38 | hesco | CharminTheMoose: most folks seem to have made the migration from lilo to grub years ago. A friend of mine wrote an early version of the mini-How-To for lilo, but at my urging tried grub sometime last year and sang its praises on our next phone call. He told me he too was switching. |
| 18:35.43 | piztek | wols, where? |
| 18:35.49 | xingu | furrywolf: but in this instance they appear to have one fewer bugs and one greater teapots than your setup :p |
| 18:35.51 | piztek | oh |
| 18:36.40 | hesco | my favorite enhancement provided by grub, but not lilo, is its command line with history and auto-completion. |
| 18:36.42 | furrywolf | heh |
| 18:36.59 | furrywolf | good thing teapots aren't too important. :) |
| 18:37.18 | hesco | I keep a grub boot cd handy in case I need to search around on an unknown machine to find bootable partitions on its drives. |
| 18:37.24 | piztek | ... /usr/bin/liloconfig unknown command |
| 18:37.30 | xingu | furrywolf: perhaps it's a premature optimisation? |
| 18:37.46 | furrywolf | after having one too many hard drives eaten by lilo, I use grub for everything. |
| 18:38.10 | wols | piztek: are you illiterate? unable to read? |
| 18:38.23 | furrywolf | lilo + suspend to disk = time to mkfs again. |
| 18:39.07 | xingu | furrywolf: fwiw it's rendering at a reasonably pleasant 350fps with _GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1 |
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| 18:39.34 | furrywolf | ok. I don't have any acceleration, so mine does about 3fps, and that's with no teapot. :) |
| 18:40.25 | furrywolf | probably be less than 1fps if it were actually rendering the teapot... |
| 18:40.45 | piztek | wols i seriously can't launch /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/rhl-liloconfig.html |
| 18:40.59 | xingu | furrywolf: possibly, that's the problem? maybe it's blanking the scene immediately after rendering it? |
| 18:41.10 | wintix | piztek: maybe open it in a browser? |
| 18:41.25 | xingu | furrywolf: I don't understand why its frame counter would show 350fps here; sync to vblank should nail it at 60fps same as any other gl code |
| 18:41.32 | piztek | file not found |
| 18:41.40 | jelly-home | I get 35 fps with the mighty onboard i915 ;-) |
| 18:42.02 | xingu | gfgo 7600 |
| 18:42.07 | furrywolf | xingu: no... I wrote stupidly simple test cases trying to make a teapot appear, and none did... plus all other primitives work if I put them in the teapot.c file after the teapot call. |
| 18:42.08 | Azar | esco, sorry I was away on the phone, did you find an answer from someone else? |
| 18:42.15 | xingu | fair do |
| 18:42.27 | hesco | no, Azar, I didn't. |
| 18:42.33 | wols | piztek: ok I don't ask anymore. no reading capability, no brains used. thanks for clearing that up |
| 18:42.56 | hesco | Still looking for documentation on changes to mailx interface. |
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| 18:42.57 | Azar | hesco: I am searching for something for you |
| 18:42.59 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.02 | furrywolf | I have some old radeon that has (documented) problems with the xorg drivers, that can only be fixed by disabling the acceleration and a bunch of other things. |
| 18:43.09 | piztek | wols, seriously please help, i'm having pc hell over here |
| 18:43.34 | hesco | Azar: thanks. I've been poking about in google, myself, but haven't yet found the definitive site for its developers. |
| 18:44.01 | furrywolf | fortunately, I don't do any real-time 3d, so a lack of acceleration is not a problem. |
| 18:44.07 | wols | piztek: for starters you are not root |
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| 18:45.19 | Azar | hesco: would this be helpful to you? is just "general info on mailx" http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/mailx.html |
| 18:45.19 | piztek | wols, it started as root! :D :D :D |
| 18:45.32 | wols | I know |
| 18:45.37 | piztek | Install a partition boot record to boot Linux from /dev/sda1? |
| 18:45.54 | wols | just curious: is it already sundway wherever you are? |
| 18:46.01 | wintix | lol |
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| 18:46.26 | piztek | wols, yes or no? |
| 18:46.32 | Azar | hesco: I assume you could learn how to setup the shell environment and customize it |
| 18:46.47 | LPhas | hi guys, i've a problem with ndiswrapper , someone could please help? |
| 18:47.02 | wintix | !tell LPhas about ask |
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| 18:47.11 | piztek | wols, should i answer yes or no? |
| 18:47.23 | LPhas | wietz0r: ok wait a second |
| 18:47.52 | LPhas | i have a builtin rtl8187, i disabled the proper module (which doesn't work) but still ndiswrapper says that there's an alternate driver |
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| 18:49.02 | bdheeman | hi, friends! |
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| 18:50.17 | piztek | brb |
| 18:51.19 | hesco | Azar: defining environmental variables in .bash_profile is not an issue. |
| 18:51.21 | liable | yay, i might actually be able to get my cube back tomorrow |
| 18:51.34 | Azar | hesco: you could contact the package maintainer with your issue: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mailx.html |
| 18:51.55 | hesco | I've already done that and copied over my legacy .mailrc file, as well, with mailx specific configuration and a six year accumulation of email aliases. |
| 18:52.13 | Azar | he did not reply to your mail? |
| 18:52.33 | hesco | I just found the email address for Robert Luberda and am about to write him now. |
| 18:52.42 | Azar | ok, try that |
| 18:52.56 | Gokee2 | If I get a "hda: dma_intr: status=0xd0 { Busy } ide: failed opcode was : unknown hda: DMA disabled ide0: reset: success" then a bunch of "hda: lost interrupt" while running "fsck.ext3 /dev/hda3 -c" Does it mean I have a hard drive going out on me? Or a bad cable? Or something else? I just replaced the old cable with a new old cable that had more wires because someone said that was better. |
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| 18:53.29 | Gokee2 | bunch = 9 so far |
| 18:53.30 | wols | Gokee2: could be either. run a long smartmontools test |
| 18:54.06 | furrywolf | hrmm, grep seems very slow at matching patterns of the form a.*b.*c.*d.*e.*f(etc), even though it seems a simple greedy loop would catch them in a single pass... |
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| 18:54.17 | Gokee2 | wols, ok thanks |
| 18:55.54 | wintix | ne |
| 18:55.59 | wintix | -ne |
| 18:56.53 | jelly-home | furrywolf: sounds like backtracking at its worst! |
| 18:57.50 | Gokee2 | Hmm I guess trying to install smartmontools from a maintenance shell was a bad idea |
| 18:57.57 | furrywolf | jelly: are you sure? seems to me it shouldn't need _any_ backtracking to match those... scan until it finds the first letter, scan until it finds the second latter, scan until it finds the third letter, etc, and it gets to the end without matching all the letters, it didn't find it. |
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| 18:58.31 | jelly-home | furrywolf: what if there are multiple matches to any of the letters? |
| 18:58.40 | furrywolf | doesn't matter. |
| 18:58.49 | Gokee2 | wols, smartmontools has no man page? |
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| 18:59.11 | furrywolf | all it would change is which .* eats the extra letters, and I don't care which. :) |
| 18:59.12 | wols | it does |
| 18:59.18 | Gokee2 | man smart |
| 18:59.22 | wols | it also has docs. just like any debian program |
| 18:59.27 | furrywolf | smartd, smartctl |
| 18:59.46 | Gokee2 | ah smartd has one |
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| 19:00.01 | jelly-home | furrywolf: abbbbbbbbbbcdex ... the first greedy .* tries eating n-1 b's, and fails. then it tries eating n-2 b's. |
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| 19:00.48 | jelly-home | furrywolf: basically you get O(number of .*) |
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| 19:01.16 | xingu | be quicker to use grep 'a.*b' | grep 'b.*c' ... |
| 19:01.43 | ben_goodger | good evening, life forms |
| 19:01.46 | jelly-home | xingu: that doesn't have to be correct |
| 19:01.53 | xingu | exactly |
| 19:01.54 | furrywolf | jelly: no... the a eats the 'a', the first .* doesn't eat anything, the b eats the first b, the second .* eats all the remaining 'b's, etc... it could be done in a non-backtracking fashion. |
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| 19:02.23 | furrywolf | hell, I could draw a state machine that matched it non-backtrackingly. :) |
| 19:02.29 | xingu | furrywolf: you're awarding grep a degree of prescience; all it can do is repeatedly try a pattern until it fails |
| 19:02.42 | xingu | furrywolf: and then try the next permutation until it fails and so forth |
| 19:02.44 | jelly-home | furrywolf: yes, and it's called a deterministic automaton ;-) |
| 19:03.04 | furrywolf | if grep were to optimize it properly, that would not require any backtracking. :P |
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| 19:03.23 | jelly-home | furrywolf: there are different implementations of regex matching |
| 19:03.24 | xingu | if grep had a --dwimnwis option... |
| 19:03.50 | jelly-home | ...if only debian had grep info docs |
| 19:04.09 | abrotman | lazy ass ... write them! |
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| 19:04.21 | jelly-home | I think GNU grep uses a nondeterministic algo, but not sure |
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| 19:04.42 | StyXman | what happened to base-config in sid? it's not there anymore! |
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| 19:04.47 | jelly-home | abrotman: upstream docs are in info format |
| 19:04.54 | furrywolf | I think grep is wasting all its time trying to figure out which of the .*'s on either side should eat the extra letters, which is a non-useful idea... |
| 19:04.59 | jelly-home | abrotman: the GFDL problem |
| 19:05.23 | jelly-home | furrywolf: hey, if you said greedy, let it be greedt. |
| 19:05.41 | furrywolf | I ctrl-c'ed grep after 5 minutes of waiting for it without it outputting a single match. :) |
| 19:06.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: oh .. you're one of those |
| 19:06.08 | xingu | furrywolf: what size dataset? |
| 19:06.29 | magic_pinguim | ermmmmmm |
| 19:06.30 | jelly-home | abrotman: I just tried to look at the docs to see which sort of regex algo is used! |
| 19:06.46 | furrywolf | d'oh! and it looks like it wouldn't even have worked, as it wouldn't match what I hoped it would. I've now found a much simpler thing it can match. :) |
| 19:06.49 | magic_pinguim | can someone recomend me some good software to kds to i install here from apt-get lol o0 0o Urggg $#%"#$%$ |
| 19:07.19 | xand | magic_pinguim: what?# |
| 19:07.19 | jelly-home | magic_pinguim: no |
| 19:07.36 | magic_pinguim | well i don`t know ... something to keep the kids here quiet lol |
| 19:07.37 | furrywolf | bash: /usr/bin/wc: Argument list too long |
| 19:07.40 | furrywolf | lol |
| 19:07.51 | jelly-home | magic_pinguim: kds = kids |
| 19:07.58 | nvz | magic_pinguim: how old are these kids? |
| 19:07.59 | magic_pinguim | yes kids |
| 19:08.00 | jelly-home | that actually makes sense |
| 19:08.02 | furrywolf | how do you make wc total up the size of all files in a directory? :) |
| 19:08.06 | furrywolf | without using * |
| 19:08.18 | magic_pinguim | welll just 8 years .... some software |
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| 19:08.23 | xingu | furrywolf: find -print0 | xargs -0 ... |
| 19:08.28 | magic_pinguim | to they be around here quits lol |
| 19:08.38 | abrotman | !debianjr |
| 19:08.39 | nvz | magic_pinguim: supertux was popular with the 4 year old I used to live with |
| 19:08.40 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:08.48 | furrywolf | xingu: that'll give me a bunch of results I'd need to add up by hand |
| 19:08.48 | magic_pinguim | thank you lets me try lol |
| 19:08.49 | magic_pinguim | o0 |
| 19:08.50 | magic_pinguim | 0o |
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| 19:08.55 | abrotman | !debian jr |
| 19:08.55 | dpkg | somebody said debian jr was a sub project of debian to create an environment ideally suited for the computer based education and play of children. see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-jr/ |
| 19:08.58 | furrywolf | the number of files in the directory is larger than can be expressed in an argument list |
| 19:08.59 | xand | magic_pinguim: sure it's not for your? :P |
| 19:09.01 | xand | -r |
| 19:09.15 | xingu | furrywolf: ... | awk '{ tot += $1 } END { print tot }' |
| 19:09.21 | furrywolf | and I'm lazy. |
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| 19:09.42 | nvz | magic_pinguim: that and the flash games on cartoonnetwork.com kept her busy |
| 19:09.45 | jelly-home | furrywolf: du? |
| 19:09.57 | furrywolf | 79 megabytes of text |
| 19:10.03 | xingu | furrywolf: or, find -print0 | xargs -0 cat ... | wc -l |
| 19:10.29 | Tanaka | can someone tell me how to connect to ethernet when in the terminal |
| 19:10.37 | furrywolf | in 14000 files |
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| 19:10.56 | jelly-home | sounds like a mailbox |
| 19:10.56 | waqjan | Tanaka: ifconfig |
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| 19:11.03 | wols | Tanaka: drivers loaded? |
| 19:11.09 | furrywolf | hrmm, time to clean up the files... should be only about 3000. |
| 19:11.15 | Tanaka | thinkso |
| 19:11.22 | wols | Tanaka: edit /etc/network/interfaces and run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 19:11.29 | nvz | !think |
| 19:11.29 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 19:11.30 | wols | Tanaka: don't think, check |
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| 19:13.04 | magic_pinguim | nvz thank you to :) |
| 19:13.25 | Tanaka | what does ifup do then |
| 19:13.43 | kakarto | does anybody know how to enable direct rendering on a intel i810 graphic card? |
| 19:13.57 | bdheeman | how do i convert an mpg file to mp4 format? |
| 19:14.04 | magic_pinguim | i hope this keep then busy :) |
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| 19:14.15 | StyXman | bdheeman: transcode? |
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| 19:14.48 | bdheeman | StyXman: thanks, let me give it a try |
| 19:15.00 | furrywolf | bbl, wolfy shower time |
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| 19:16.46 | Azar | a pre-sunday o/t chuckle: wanna save $ 2,499,850.00 at amazon (another classic amazon jewel): http://www.thedailywtf.com/Images/200705/error'd/faberge.png |
| 19:16.53 | xingu | kakakoka: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriTroubleshooting ? |
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| 19:20.21 | dashs | For etch: what utility to load background images (qiv doesn't seem to work)? |
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| 19:22.06 | Azar | epp and srbot I guess belong to vacabazas |
| 19:22.07 | alaya_ | xset |
| 19:22.08 | radio2 | background images? you mean images in console? you can use zgv or something |
| 19:22.15 | piztek | wols, are you here? |
| 19:22.24 | alaya_ | sorry, xsetroot |
| 19:22.30 | dashs | radio2: no root window images. |
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| 19:22.36 | alaya_ | oh that's for X, sorry |
| 19:23.11 | me_here | or fbi *.jpg |
| 19:24.01 | piztek | can anyone help with lilo? |
| 19:24.12 | Azar | piztek: what wrong with lilo? |
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| 19:24.29 | loesh|home | !anyone |
| 19:24.29 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:24.33 | karsten | !tell piztek about smart questions |
| 19:24.46 | Azar | :) hi karsten! |
| 19:24.50 | piztek | Azar, i did the liloconfig as root and then i tried to launch /sbin/lilo, and it says Fatal, Cannot open: /etc/lilo.conf |
| 19:25.10 | alaya_ | apt-cache search splash |
| 19:25.10 | alaya_ | usplash, splashy... |
| 19:25.20 | Azar | piztek: you can't edit /etc/lilo.conf? |
| 19:25.48 | karsten | Azar: Greets. |
| 19:26.04 | karsten | piztek: ls -l /etc/lilo.conf |
| 19:26.09 | karsten | piztek: Does it exist? |
| 19:26.09 | wols | karsten: too much to hope for |
| 19:26.25 | piztek | -rw------- 1 root root 3343 2007-06-02 13:49 /etc/lilo.conf |
| 19:26.29 | karsten | wols: There's solutions to that. |
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| 19:26.44 | wols | but where do we find the guillotine? |
| 19:26.51 | xand | piztek: did you run lilo as root? |
| 19:26.51 | piztek | karsten, how do i fix it, what do i edit lilo.conf to? |
| 19:26.53 | StyXman | piztek: are you running lilo as root? |
| 19:26.56 | piztek | xand, yes |
| 19:27.00 | karsten | piztek: How are you running lilo? As root or as yourself? You can't read lilo.conf but root can. |
| 19:27.02 | Azar | piztek: to view the content of lilo.conf you do (as root) less /etc/lilo.conf, --- to edit it: vi /etc/lilo.conf |
| 19:27.08 | StyXman | piztek: do you have strace in your system? |
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| 19:27.11 | piztek | i'm not running /sbin/lilo as root |
| 19:27.19 | piztek | do i need to? |
| 19:27.22 | xand | piztek: you said you did |
| 19:27.25 | StyXman | piztek: yes, you need to |
| 19:27.26 | xand | piztek: of course you do |
| 19:27.31 | piztek | i ran config as root |
| 19:27.46 | xand | you said you ran lilo as root! :P |
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| 19:27.53 | xand | run it as root. |
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| 19:27.56 | Azar | hehe ok he needs a lilo manual |
| 19:28.05 | wols | piztek: go back to windows. there aren't such complicated things like multi user |
| 19:28.14 | piztek | xand, i just did and i encountered one error |
| 19:28.16 | StyXman | wols: that was rude |
| 19:28.19 | xand | wols: wrong! |
| 19:28.20 | piztek | no i like linux |
| 19:28.24 | StyXman | and unneeded |
| 19:28.35 | wols | xand: no one uses it anyways :P |
| 19:28.43 | xand | piztek: what error? do we have to guess? |
| 19:28.43 | piztek | Warning: Unable to determine video adapter in use in the present system. |
| 19:28.45 | wols | StyXman: truth hurts |
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| 19:29.00 | wols | piztek: that is an error? |
| 19:29.06 | piztek | yes |
| 19:29.11 | wols | really? |
| 19:29.11 | piztek | er warning |
| 19:29.12 | xand | piztek: warnings aren't errors |
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| 19:29.15 | Azar | piztek: read http://freeos.com/articles/2701/ and http://www.freeos.com/articles/3397/ |
| 19:29.16 | piztek | sorry, it's a warning |
| 19:29.25 | piztek | I read that |
| 19:29.43 | piztek | well I guess I'm safe to try and reboot to see if it worked |
| 19:29.49 | piztek | am I? |
| 19:29.52 | Azar | piztek: I don't recall doing any "liloconfig" command in the past... just edit lilo.conf file then run /sbin/lilo when done |
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| 19:31.04 | mick_home | what project management software do you guys use? |
| 19:31.12 | piztek | brb |
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| 19:31.17 | xand | none |
| 19:31.23 | mick_home | i can't seem to find kproject or mrproject websites |
| 19:31.32 | Muisje | g++ was not found! You require g++ (the GNU C++ compiler, part of GCC) to build InspIRCd! |
| 19:31.38 | JosefAss1d | mick_home: there'ß the gnome one. Used to be called mrproject, think it might just be called project now or something |
| 19:31.39 | StyXman | has tzconfig dissapear from sid? apt-file can't find it! |
| 19:31.46 | mick_home | i thought those were the "official" ones for kde and gnome |
| 19:31.47 | Muisje | What package do i need? apt-cache is giving me a list i can't read (too big) |
| 19:32.00 | JosefAss1d | mick_home: caveat emptor: it runs like a pig with any non trivial project size |
| 19:32.03 | StyXman | Muisje: g++ |
| 19:32.08 | abrotman | i think mr project got renamed |
| 19:32.14 | xand | Muisje: gcc? |
| 19:32.24 | xand | !build essential |
| 19:32.25 | xand | !build essentials |
| 19:32.28 | Muisje | Damn, i'm stupid |
| 19:32.28 | Muisje | :p |
| 19:32.29 | xand | !build-essentials |
| 19:32.30 | abrotman | !info planner etch |
| 19:32.34 | xand | gah |
| 19:32.35 | dpkg | planner: (project management application), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.14.2-2 (etch), Packaged size: 3510 kB, Installed size: 6736 kB |
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| 19:32.53 | JosefAssad | mick_home: caveat emptor number 2, doesn't read .mpp files at all |
| 19:32.56 | abrotman | mick_home: it's 'planner' now |
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| 19:33.07 | JosefAssad | abrotman: spot on. that's the new name |
| 19:33.16 | JosefAssad | abrotman: and hi :) |
| 19:33.21 | abrotman | hi |
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| 19:33.52 | Azar | who's bot is srbot? |
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| 19:34.47 | Azar | !ops srbot lost bot |
| 19:34.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: azar complains about: srbot lost bot |
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| 19:35.54 | tabris|away | Azar: sorry, srbot is a bot i'm testing that needs to join a BIG channel in order to parse the WHO and NAMES |
| 19:36.08 | peterS | Azar: unless it actually talks or spams, I don't think we care |
| 19:36.29 | tabris|away | peterS: and fwiw, srbot shouldn't ever talk at all at this point. |
| 19:36.30 | mick_home | i'll check out planner now |
| 19:36.32 | abrotman | peterSSSSSSSS!!! |
| 19:36.43 | mick_home | i have tried kfocus so far (didn't like it) |
| 19:36.45 | JosefAssad | tabris|away: that's what we have sodium pentathol for |
| 19:36.58 | peterS | hey, abrotman. I was away for a couple weeks |
| 19:36.59 | Azar | sorry guys, tabris|away I was asking earlier, before making the remark to the ops... |
| 19:37.01 | mick_home | i was hoping to find something to integrate well into Kontact |
| 19:37.08 | abrotman | peterS: any place exciting ? |
| 19:37.11 | peterS | tabris|away: fine then (: |
| 19:37.12 | JosefAssad | mick_home: I do a lot of project management. I keep a windows partition mainly for MS Project, sadly. |
| 19:37.23 | mick_home | :-( |
| 19:37.24 | tabris|away | Azar: yeah, but i haven't been paying much attn to the channel. I've been paying a lot more attn to the debug spew from srbot |
| 19:37.31 | hesco | Azar: I think I found something that might explain what is going on here. |
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| 19:37.37 | peterS | abrotman: all over germany. on a tour with a rigid schedule, didn't get a whole lot of time to just wander off by myself and get lost, but it was still a great deal of fun |
| 19:37.39 | Azar | tabris|away: sorry for the confusion |
| 19:37.47 | abrotman | peterS: and you're not going to DC ? |
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| 19:37.56 | Azar | hesco: wow, nice, I noticed that mailx has lots of bugs logged |
| 19:37.57 | mick_home | i haven't use project management software in the past, but i'm working on a large project right now where it is needed |
| 19:38.16 | peterS | abrotman: nope, can't afford it. the germany trip came up extremely suddenly and, in any case, wiped out most of my cash reserves |
| 19:38.25 | piztek | uh yeah, after installing lilo it booted properly, but x won't start, wols? |
| 19:38.35 | JosefAssad | mick_home: If you need to communicate project files that other peoplecan edit, and if they are not on linux, then don't sink any time into open source options. |
| 19:38.36 | abrotman | peterS: and you missed all the G8 fun! |
| 19:38.49 | Azar | peterS: wow, Germany, nice.. |
| 19:38.58 | abrotman | peterS: they've been showing riots on CNN in germany today |
| 19:39.03 | peterS | abrotman: we were in Berlin last week, saw some posters trying to organize people to protest.. |
| 19:39.16 | tarzeau | http://community.linux.com/community/07/04/27/1211211.shtml?tid=16 |
| 19:39.20 | hesco | Azar: never mind, apparently those licensing restrictions apply only to the documentation |
| 19:39.27 | piztek | you're the best! |
| 19:39.36 | peterS | what's the main point of protesting G8, anyway? "you guys have lots of money and you aren't giving us enough of it"? |
| 19:39.44 | Azar | hesco: no wonder the big silence around it in the debian world.. |
| 19:40.03 | abrotman | peterS: did you get to see any other #debian-ites ? |
| 19:40.14 | JosefAssad | mick_home: if they are satisfied with html (won't need to edit) and if you can keep it below 100 tasks, then planner might do well enough. It lacks some features you get in MS Project, but frankly it has been my position that it isn't really worth getting into detailed resource allocation plans anyhow |
| 19:40.18 | piztek | Azar, help me. |
| 19:40.26 | piztek | x won't start after lilo install |
| 19:40.27 | peterS | abrotman: nah. I saw a couple of friends from another free software project, one of whom maintains I think _one_ package ... but nobody directly related to Debian |
| 19:40.36 | abrotman | ah |
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| 19:40.48 | tarzeau | "Given all of this, it's no surprise that Debain's logo is red and that Debain itself is an ancient African word meaning Down with America." heh |
| 19:40.48 | peterS | abrotman: ...later - I have to run to a friend's wedding now |
| 19:40.54 | Azar | piztek: with what? |
| 19:40.57 | abrotman | hehe ... put a tie on! |
| 19:41.00 | piztek | with lilo |
| 19:41.12 | piztek | i even did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:41.13 | piztek | and it didn't fix it |
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| 19:41.24 | setuid | Can someone tell me why installing Konqueror on Debian removes binutils, gcc-3.4, gcc-4.1, etc.? |
| 19:41.25 | piztek | it says no screens found |
| 19:41.31 | JosefAssad | piztek: you need to figure out first how to ask questions that people will want to answer. Willing to keep an open mind? |
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| 19:41.39 | tarzeau | setuid: aptitude? |
| 19:41.44 | setuid | tarzeau, apt |
| 19:41.48 | jelly-home | setuid: mixed repositories? |
| 19:41.52 | Azar | piztek: lilo does not have nothing to do with xserver things |
| 19:41.57 | setuid | jelly-home, Default repos from the initial install |
| 19:42.16 | setuid | jelly-home, Just a sec, I'll get the exact output and pastebot it |
| 19:42.18 | Azar | piztek: first explain why and what you want to do with lilo |
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| 19:42.34 | jelly-home | setuid: please pastebin apt-cache policy konqueror libc6 |
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| 19:42.48 | mick_home | JosefAssad: i'm lucky that they wouldn't need to be managed by anyone else |
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| 19:42.51 | Azar | tarzeau: hahahaha yeah thats a good laugh |
| 19:42.55 | Nenillo | hi, how can I tell gnome to use emerald instead of sawfish? |
| 19:42.57 | piztek | I want to use lilo as my boot manager because my computer keeps powering off at bootup and I believe intalling lilo to be an attempt at fixing this problem |
| 19:43.01 | karsten | piztek: /etc/lilo.conf is only readable as root. Hence you must run lilo as root. |
| 19:43.04 | JosefAssad | mick_home: how complex do you expect it will get? |
| 19:43.04 | mick_home | i was thinking of even using phpgroupware |
| 19:43.06 | jelly-home | what's this Debain thing? |
| 19:43.11 | piztek | installing* |
| 19:43.13 | mick_home | there is a project management module for that |
| 19:43.29 | setuid | jelly-home, http://rafb.net/p/wiCsvH27.html |
| 19:43.32 | Azar | piztek: ah so you got Debian 4.0, Etch with grub installed and now want to replace it with lilo? |
| 19:43.45 | JosefAssad | mick_home: Only web based one I worked on was phprojekt. Was supervising customizing it for UNDP. All depends on whether you have stakeholders who require certain methodologies. |
| 19:43.49 | piztek | azar, i'm on lenny, and lilo is replaced |
| 19:43.55 | clars | Just after install of mysql I wanna give mysql_root an password but forgot how...? |
| 19:44.01 | piztek | it works, but now for some reason x will not start |
| 19:44.06 | piztek | it says no screens found |
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| 19:44.15 | Azar | piztek: not a good idea, from etch up >> lenny lilo wont be so very welcome for new users |
| 19:44.22 | jelly-home | setuid: uhh.. you still have "testing" in the sources.list |
| 19:44.26 | Azar | piztek: I advise you to install Etch and stay with it |
| 19:44.28 | mick_home | i like that phpgroupware hooks into Kontact |
| 19:44.31 | setuid | jelly-home, I do? Let me check |
| 19:44.31 | JosefAssad | mick_home: It's been a while since I looked at planner; it was the best of the lot back then. Do give it a go. |
| 19:44.34 | Quintin | Any thoughts why my pentium M cpu is stuck at 367 mhz? |
| 19:44.41 | setuid | jelly-home, Nope |
| 19:44.47 | piztek | i realize this. |
| 19:44.47 | agent | How do I make X register the "menu" key on a Thinkpad? xev does not show the correct keycode and there does not seem to be a working keyboard layout. |
| 19:44.56 | jelly-home | setuid: explicit lenny, then? |
| 19:44.59 | mick_home | JosefAssad: there will be more than 100 tasks for sure |
| 19:45.02 | setuid | jelly-home, http://rafb.net/p/jNCiSl26.html |
| 19:45.27 | Azar | piztek: Debian Etch is ideal for new Debian users, don't fly up to lenny wich is a testing version and you are not able to figure out and fix issues. |
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| 19:45.30 | piztek | wols, are you here? |
| 19:45.40 | setuid | jelly-home, Should I s/lenny/testing/ instead? |
| 19:45.54 | jelly-home | setuid: doesn't matter, at this time |
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| 19:46.17 | foo | How do I remove the -- MARK --'s from the /var/log/messages again? |
| 19:46.22 | JosefAssad | mick_home: if you're going to try it, I'd be glad to hear how it went |
| 19:46.22 | mick_home | JosefAssad: do all of these use separate formats? or is there some standardization? (like ODF is to office docs) |
| 19:46.28 | tarzeau | foo: configure sysctl.conf |
| 19:46.32 | jelly-home | setuid: sounds like you haven't upgraded in a while. try doing aptitude -s install konqueror instead of apt-get |
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| 19:46.38 | Nenillo | hi, how can I tell gnome to use emerald instead of sawfish? |
| 19:46.43 | setuid | jelly-home, I just upgraded about 10 minutes ago |
| 19:46.48 | setuid | jelly-home, this install is about a week old |
| 19:46.49 | tarzeau | foo: err syslog.conf |
| 19:47.07 | JosefAssad | mick_home: sadly, most of the world is standardised on the windows .mpp file format. There's free as in beer java software which should display .mpp on linux, but I never got it working |
| 19:47.14 | foo | tarzeau: Right, I've looked in there.. don't see anything. /me checks man page |
| 19:47.15 | jelly-home | setuid: you still have old libc6. |
| 19:47.26 | JosefAssad | mick_home: and that format is not open, and not implemented in any open source tools |
| 19:47.38 | alaya_ | bootsplash appears to be similar to the old fbsplash from the gentoo guy |
| 19:47.40 | JosefAssad | mick_home: you might want to look into basecamp |
| 19:47.42 | jelly-home | setuid: I suggest doing a dist-upgrade |
| 19:47.59 | setuid | I have -fdu dist-upgrade in cron.daily, let me install those pending |
| 19:48.00 | Azar | tarzeau: did you noticed that Stevie Ray Vaughn Nickles got quiet about bashing Debian after that article? :) |
| 19:48.25 | piztek | how do i configure a screen? |
| 19:48.43 | jelly-home | piztek: you mean, X? |
| 19:49.02 | setuid | Looks like locales is still broken in Debian... that's been a problem for at least 6 years |
| 19:49.13 | setuid | sigh |
| 19:49.13 | jelly-home | setuid: what do you mean, broken? |
| 19:49.28 | setuid | There are no default locales set, so it carps at every package install |
| 19:49.57 | piztek | jelly-home, yes |
| 19:49.59 | jelly-home | setuid: don't set locale env. variables if you don't want to use them |
| 19:50.06 | Azar | isn't a "dpkg reconfigure locales" there? |
| 19:50.07 | setuid | jelly-home, http://rafb.net/p/pgRoXE86.html |
| 19:50.08 | setuid | That |
| 19:50.19 | setuid | I always have to manually set the LC_* in /etc/profile to stop it |
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| 19:50.21 | setuid | On every Debian box |
| 19:50.23 | jelly-home | setuid: unset the LC_* and LANG variables |
| 19:50.40 | setuid | jelly-home, On this particular box, a fresh install, there are no LC_* set |
| 19:50.43 | jelly-home | setuid: or dpkg-reconfigure locales and add your own. |
| 19:50.54 | jelly-home | setuid: pastebin output of "locale" |
| 19:50.55 | setuid | Though, LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 19:50.57 | alaya_ | wow, and bootsplash does all the setting up of fbsplash nicely, including generating initramfs, patching rc to support it, etc. |
| 19:50.58 | piztek | jelly-home are you talking to me? |
| 19:51.06 | jelly-home | setuid: that's not none ;-) |
| 19:51.15 | setuid | jelly-home, http://rafb.net/p/RBVXMS51.html |
| 19:51.21 | setuid | jelly-home, Its whatever the default install did |
| 19:51.25 | setuid | Or prompted for |
| 19:51.29 | setuid | I'll dpkg-reconfigure |
| 19:51.43 | twobitsprite | hmm... installing apt wants to remove "util-linux" when trying to install "emacs" ... ? |
| 19:51.59 | alaya_ | and linux-patch-bootsplash if you want to roll your own kernel |
| 19:52.21 | concept10 | I forgot, what is the command used to export NFS filesystems after adding to /etc/exports? |
| 19:52.21 | jelly-home | setuid: ack. well, you can either unset LANG (and have a non utf-8 compliant locale), or add that locale |
| 19:52.39 | setuid | That locale is already selected in the dpkg-reconfigure section for locales |
| 19:52.46 | setuid | I'll add more of the en.* ones |
| 19:52.47 | shogunx | concept10, exportfs -a |
| 19:53.01 | concept10 | shogunx, thanks bud |
| 19:53.04 | jelly-home | piztek: oh well, you're gone so I can't tell you to /msg dpkg drxx |
| 19:53.07 | shogunx | yep |
| 19:53.55 | jelly-home | concept10: /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server reload? |
| 19:54.21 | concept10 | shogunx, okay, I now know the problem, this box im working on is using the user-server instead of the kernel-server and that command isnt there for the user-server |
| 19:54.23 | twobitsprite | can someone tell me why install emacs forces apt to want to remove util-linux?? it says this can be potentially harmful... |
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| 19:55.10 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: uh... it has nothing to do with util-linux |
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| 19:56.53 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: http://paste.lisp.org/display/42163 |
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| 19:57.34 | tarzeau | Azar: no? don't know who that ray guy is |
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| 19:57.59 | dimir | ##linux |
| 19:58.02 | dimir | oops |
| 19:58.23 | davi_ | Emacs 22 is released. Where can I get a backport for etch? |
| 19:58.45 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 19:58.45 | dpkg | i heard backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 19:58.46 | hesco | Azar: I found some additional, apparently new documentation on the gnu.org site, for mailx. I tried it out and it did not behave as expected and in fact freaked me out when I went back to my incoming mailbox and found 13 of the 2000+ may messages left. |
| 19:58.55 | setuid | This Debian machine I just installed... responds to nearly every single port when I nmap it. Why? |
| 19:58.58 | abrotman | or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:58.59 | davi_ | thanks abrotman |
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| 19:59.06 | abrotman | setuid: responds how ? |
| 19:59.13 | setuid | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/4KJ5z590.html |
| 19:59.17 | twobitsprite | setuid: are you nmapping 127.0.0.1, or the external interface? |
| 19:59.39 | setuid | twobitsprite, localhost and 10.0.1.4, they respond identically |
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| 20:00.11 | twobitsprite | setuid: you could either shutdown those services, or set up iptables |
| 20:00.14 | abrotman | that's localhost .. doesn't count |
| 20:00.21 | wols | setuid: you have a program running that opens all those ports and reports and connection as attack, even if nothing runs behind that port |
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| 20:00.32 | hesco | I'm going to have to play with this some more, I guess. Thankfully, it appears to have copied my mail about appropriately and I don't think I lost anything. It just saved to a folder far more than I had anticipated. , deleting email as it went, even though I used the pre command on the same search string. |
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| 20:00.39 | abrotman | setuid: nmap your IP .. not localhost .. or netstat -plunt |
| 20:00.41 | setuid | wols, Hrm, any idea how to find out which one? |
| 20:00.49 | abrotman | fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
| 20:00.50 | wols | abrotman: no one runs netbus on purpse. on a linux box :) |
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| 20:00.59 | setuid | ah, portsentry |
| 20:01.03 | wols | setuid: netstat -anp |grep LIST |
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| 20:01.26 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: that doesn't neceessarily mean that emacs is trying to remove it; run aptitutde install emacs util-linux; and report the output. |
| 20:01.34 | piztek | after installing lilo, I can't startx using the nvidia driver, but only the nv driver |
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| 20:01.55 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: that seems better |
| 20:02.02 | setuid | Yep, removing portsentry solved that |
| 20:02.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: see that guy also rants about debian nvidia driver package http://community.linux.com/community/07/04/27/1211211.shtml?tid=16 |
| 20:02.11 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: was I just behind on something that conflicted? or is it a package bug? |
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| 20:02.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's satire |
| 20:02.29 | piztek | wols, could youhelp? |
| 20:02.33 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: it's most likely that you requested util-linux to be removed at some point, and it still was trying to remove it. |
| 20:02.48 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro: I don't think I would have ever done that purposfully |
| 20:02.53 | tarzeau | Muffin: rly? |
| 20:03.03 | tarzeau | Muffin: sparc non ultra can't do 2.6 kernels at all? |
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| 20:03.18 | Muffin | libc6 requires a kernel of minimum 2.6.1. I have something like a 1.2 MB limit to kernel size. |
| 20:03.21 | wols | piztek: error messages are a wonderful thing |
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| 20:03.24 | Muffin | I mean, it could RUN 2.6.1, but it's too big. |
| 20:03.25 | jelly-home | tarzeau: noone is really maintaining the kernel for sparc < v9 |
| 20:03.33 | tarzeau | jelly-home: that's not the question |
| 20:03.34 | piztek | wols, where can i check? |
| 20:03.40 | wols | Muffin: 2.6 is not the kernel size but kernel version |
| 20:03.54 | tarzeau | Muffin: i've had 4mb kernels on my classic |
| 20:03.54 | wols | piztek: Xorg.log for example |
| 20:04.06 | tarzeau | Muffin: i don't think there's a limit anymore, well 8mb for silo? |
| 20:04.28 | Muffin | ...yes, wols, but 2.6 is too big. |
| 20:04.32 | piztek | which is where again? |
| 20:04.35 | tarzeau | Muffin: nah |
| 20:04.56 | tarzeau | Muffin: i'd run OPENSTEP on a ss20 |
| 20:05.00 | jelly-home | Muffin: of just install new silo? |
| 20:05.06 | jelly-home | or* |
| 20:05.13 | Muffin | Silo is up-to-date. |
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| 20:05.29 | xand | time to break my network |
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| 20:06.51 | Muffin | The current kernel is only 934k, compressed. |
| 20:06.58 | piztek | wols, where is xorg.log |
| 20:07.11 | wols | /var/log |
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| 20:08.59 | Nenillo | how can I tell gnome to use beryl instead of sawfish? |
| 20:09.00 | twobitsprite | why doesn't emacs run in X? It wants to use my xterm... |
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| 20:09.42 | Muffin | ...do kernel sources no longer live at kernel-source-2.6.18? |
| 20:09.51 | piztek | where can I paste |
| 20:09.51 | tarzeau | Muffin: linux-source-whatever |
| 20:09.56 | piztek | pastebin.ca is down |
| 20:10.04 | cwheeler | are you using the version compiled for X twobitsprite ? |
| 20:10.05 | wols | !paster |
| 20:10.06 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:10.14 | cwheeler | is $DISPLAY set? |
| 20:10.31 | mirak | if I use a sata 2 drive on a sata motherboard should I put the clip on the hard drive that limit to 1,5gbit instead of 3gbits ? |
| 20:10.46 | twobitsprite | cwheeler: it's set to ":0.0" |
| 20:10.52 | piztek | wols, okay, can you check this out? http://textpaste.net/mh7hl3 |
| 20:11.01 | twobitsprite | cwheeler: and, I'm using the "emacs" package from testing |
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| 20:11.15 | cwheeler | then be sure you aren't using something like emacs-nox |
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| 20:11.26 | twobitsprite | cwheeler: I'm sure, but let me check symlinks, etc |
| 20:11.29 | wols | piztek: that is not all of the log |
| 20:11.33 | cwheeler | emacs should be a link |
| 20:11.40 | piztek | wols, you want all of it? |
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| 20:11.53 | wols | I want all of the last time you tried to run startx, yes |
| 20:11.58 | twobitsprite | cwheeler: ahhh... why does debian default to the nox version? |
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| 20:12.21 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: full ack |
| 20:12.25 | bagoor | Anybody tried installing TRAC on Debian Etch or Sarge here ? |
| 20:12.31 | Muffin | Ah, thanks. |
| 20:12.33 | piztek | wols, http://textpaste.net/h1teo2 |
| 20:12.41 | cwheeler | no idea twobitsprite , i use xemacs |
| 20:12.51 | tarzeau | emacs.app here |
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| 20:13.25 | coolzone | Hi, for some reason I have to run alsaconf each time I turn on my debian box, otherwise the sound isn't working, how can I avoid that? |
| 20:13.34 | piztek | please help wols |
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| 20:14.28 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 20:14.30 | wintix | piztek: begging for help is annoying |
| 20:14.37 | wols | piztek: what videocard is it? |
| 20:14.38 | perlmonkey | does anyone know how to destroy a raid? |
| 20:14.58 | wols | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 20:15.05 | mick_home | JosefAssad: i just tried phproject -- wow that is bad :) |
| 20:15.05 | wintix | perlmonkey: define "destroy" |
| 20:15.20 | JosefAssad | mick_home: closest we could find to the whay the UNDP works, sadly. |
| 20:15.25 | coolzone | I mean how can I avoid having to configure it each time? |
| 20:15.32 | perlmonkey | I've got mdadm showing two raids when I do --detail /dev and I'm starting a fresh raid, I've deleted the partitions etc |
| 20:15.43 | mick_home | i'm setting up phpgroupware atm |
| 20:15.56 | piztek | wols, so how do i fix that? edit xorg.conf? |
| 20:16.07 | wols | answer my question |
| 20:16.10 | perlmonkey | how we clear the old raids? |
| 20:16.13 | perlmonkey | *do |
| 20:16.25 | JosefAssad | mick_home: I know f/loss alternatives are nive, but MS project is one of my favorite anecdotes of where open source hasn't yet gotten there (quantum GIS is the other) |
| 20:16.37 | JosefAssad | s/nice/nice/ |
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| 20:16.51 | piztek | wols, it's an nvidia 7600 gs |
| 20:16.56 | perlmonkey | by destroy, i mean tell mdadm that the raids no longer exist and theres no raids on the system |
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| 20:17.34 | wols | piztek: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 20:17.37 | perlmonkey | need to clear it so i can make a new raid |
| 20:17.49 | troubledone | how do i install the software on dvd 2 and 3 |
| 20:18.05 | troubledone | can i just install everythinng eith no prompting |
| 20:18.16 | war | perlmonkey: simple |
| 20:18.19 | war | perlmonkey: unmount it |
| 20:18.21 | piztek | http://textpaste.net/5ur6j7 |
| 20:18.26 | war | perlmonkey: mdadm -S /dev/md0 |
| 20:18.30 | war | perlmonkey: and re-create over it |
| 20:18.33 | wols | troubledone: installer asked you for more cds/dvds when you installed |
| 20:18.35 | war | perlmonkey: ta-da |
| 20:18.36 | perlmonkey | war: thanks |
| 20:18.37 | setuid | woo |
| 20:18.39 | war | perlmonkey: np. |
| 20:18.43 | setuid | This might just be working now! |
| 20:18.47 | wols | and no, it prompts you for the various dvds it needs |
| 20:18.50 | troubledone | did not ask wols |
| 20:18.58 | war | perlmonkey: I have 3-4 sw raids, raid0,1,5 etc I love'em ;) |
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| 20:19.03 | setuid | ssh -> ldap auth -> box -> ssh vm.distro -> ldap auth -> nfs-mounted /home |
| 20:19.07 | perlmonkey | war: :D |
| 20:19.13 | troubledone | this is the extra stuff |
| 20:19.59 | setuid | woo! IT WORKS! |
| 20:19.59 | twobitsprite | wtf.... these emacs packages are all messed up... either that or my apt is all messed up... |
| 20:19.59 | perlmonkey | war: I had a soft raid-5 for 2 years but broke it last month, i created a new one but it got broke too due to being badly setup so I'm having another crack at it |
| 20:20.00 | setuid | Now to chroot(1) the fscker |
| 20:20.09 | piztek | wols? |
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| 20:21.49 | wols | piztek: lsmod. nvidia driver is loaded? |
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| 20:22.10 | piztek | wols, i'm not sure |
| 20:22.13 | piztek | how do i check |
| 20:22.16 | [wz]MaC | hi ho |
| 20:22.18 | wintix | piztek: 'lsmod | grep nvidia' and 'dmesg | grep NVIDIA' and 'uanme -r' also pastebin the xorg.conf |
| 20:23.26 | [wz]MaC | is there any option, to view only files and directorys owned by a specific owner ? |
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| 20:23.26 | piztek | lsmod | grep nvidia displays nothing |
| 20:23.26 | wintix | wols: i hope you don't mind. i just couldn't stand it ;) |
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| 20:23.26 | wols | modprobe nvidia. then run startx again |
| 20:23.27 | piztek | dmesg displays something |
| 20:23.27 | wols | wintix: I'd be happy if you took over |
| 20:23.27 | piztek | how do i modprobe? |
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| 20:23.57 | wintix | wols: let's figure it out together. we can make fun of him along the way ;) |
| 20:24.01 | bpun | wintix, grep -i ignores case... |
| 20:24.10 | piztek | how do i modprobe? |
| 20:24.16 | piztek | as root? |
| 20:24.19 | wintix | piztek: pastebin the output of the stuff i told you |
| 20:24.21 | bpun | piztek, lsmod lists mods loaded |
| 20:24.22 | wols | yes. all as root |
| 20:24.25 | wintix | piztek: root would be a good thing |
| 20:24.50 | wintix | bpun: thanks for the hint |
| 20:25.05 | piztek | modprobe nvidia, module nvidia not found |
| 20:25.07 | bpun | wintix, most commands have --help for telling other options.. |
| 20:25.10 | JosefAssad | when did #debian start spoonfeeding? |
| 20:25.13 | jetscreamer | gay == you boot debian, and halfway through grub/udev/whatever decides hde is not hde but hda and (pivots the root?) switches.... then contiues to boot... only problem is, it's now booting ubuntu, which is on hda (hd0)... now tell me that is not gay |
| 20:25.38 | wintix | bpun: i know. dmesg | grep NVIDIA would have done exactly what i wanted |
| 20:25.43 | wols | !gay |
| 20:25.43 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
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| 20:25.49 | war | perlmonkey: ah I gotcha |
| 20:25.55 | jetscreamer | wols: old factoid, get with the times |
| 20:26.07 | jetscreamer | gay!= homosexual |
| 20:26.25 | wols | jetscreamer: it very well means that. it's how it started. and don't pretend otherwise |
| 20:26.28 | setuid | I'm so behind on my factoid mail subscription |
| 20:26.36 | me_here | think of the 60's they were all gay lol |
| 20:26.41 | jetscreamer | wols: gay means happy, and i'm not very |
| 20:26.47 | setuid | If the 60's were all gay, many of you wouldn't exist |
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| 20:26.53 | jetscreamer | well ok i'm happy |
| 20:26.57 | me_here | add 10 then |
| 20:26.58 | me_here | lol |
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| 20:27.15 | furrywolf | heh. many straight guys like anal sex... that's why strapons are the best invention ever. |
| 20:27.25 | piztek | exit |
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| 20:27.33 | JosefAssad | wow. |
| 20:28.00 | JosefAssad | I was about to bitch about the crude discussion, but then it got rid of the guy wanting spoonfeeding |
| 20:28.11 | wols | heh |
| 20:28.12 | bpun | wintix, change your alias it sounds like youre newbish windowish.. |
| 20:28.27 | plus_M | I'm having a bit of trouble with screen on my debian server. I can't backspace, it just says Wuff ---- Wuff!! at the bottom of the screen whenever I press the backspace key |
| 20:28.42 | wols | plus_M: using doglinux? |
| 20:28.43 | plus_M | I tried uploading the screenrc from my computer onto it, but it still isn't working |
| 20:28.48 | wintix | bpun: ;) |
| 20:28.54 | plus_M | ? |
| 20:28.57 | setuid | plus_M, Did you call it .screenrc? |
| 20:28.57 | plus_M | No I'm using archlinux |
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| 20:29.01 | jetscreamer | but... halfway into booting debian (i think it's when init kicks in but not sure) grub? decides hde ==hda and i'm booting ubuntu... i can probably recreate this with etch btw. oh... this is when i boot the stock debian kernel, the customs seem to work fine |
| 20:29.01 | plus_M | I put it in /etc |
| 20:29.02 | plus_M | And no |
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| 20:29.15 | wols | plus_M: wrong channel. this is #debian only |
| 20:29.16 | OceanSpray | And so |
| 20:29.16 | jelly-home | plus_M: does running reset help? |
| 20:29.21 | furrywolf | jetscreamer: sounds like your root is set wrong. |
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| 20:29.25 | furrywolf | (root device) |
| 20:29.25 | jetscreamer | no i'm not asking for assistance, i know it's not to be found in this channel |
| 20:29.27 | plus_M | wols, it works on archlinux, it DOESN'T work on Debian |
| 20:29.31 | bpun | plus_M, is lang set? |
| 20:29.33 | OceanSpray | THERE IT IS! |
| 20:29.34 | plus_M | That's why I'm asking here |
| 20:29.39 | plus_M | bpun, let me check |
| 20:29.42 | bolt | How can I make the system beep on every new line when I use tail -f on a file? |
| 20:29.45 | wols | plus_M: term fscked up |
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| 20:29.51 | plus_M | tv:~# echo $LANG |
| 20:29.51 | plus_M | en_US |
| 20:29.55 | setuid | bolt, write a parser |
| 20:30.03 | JosefAssad | Umm, no. Wuff wuff is the default visual bell in screen. |
| 20:30.08 | jetscreamer | furrywolf: yes it sounds like that.. but it's not. i'm booting it from the grubshell. btw this is only obvious with multiple ide controllers |
| 20:30.13 | bpun | plus_M, see if TERM is linxu |
| 20:30.22 | Eulex | bolt, patch tail? |
| 20:30.23 | bpun | plus_M, /linxu/linux |
| 20:30.24 | plus_M | tv:~# echo $TERM |
| 20:30.24 | plus_M | xterm-color |
| 20:30.37 | JosefAssad | plus_M: echo "vbell_msg \"beep\"" >> ~/.screenrc |
| 20:30.37 | furrywolf | jetscreamer: I have a total of 6 ide channels in this box, and have never had a problem... |
| 20:30.42 | jetscreamer | i've just never seen this bug boot another os halfway into the booting process so i had to share |
| 20:30.44 | bpun | plus_M, try it as linux |
| 20:30.58 | Zweisteine | Hi, I'm trying to optimise my system and rightnow I'm trying to get it to boot faster. I removed many unnecessary services from runlevel 2 but many things still start before "INIT: Entering runlevel 2", like networking, filesystem mounting, etc. Are those things from runlevel 0? If not, where can I find them? |
| 20:30.59 | furrywolf | jetscreamer: are you sure the root= parameter in your menu.lst is correct? |
| 20:31.00 | plus_M | bpun, it orks |
| 20:31.00 | jetscreamer | furrywolf: i've been playing with this bug since 2.6.13 or so |
| 20:31.01 | plus_M | works |
| 20:31.02 | plus_M | Thanks |
| 20:31.05 | jetscreamer | furrywolf: yes |
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| 20:31.10 | plus_M | Where should I put that to make it system wide on boot |
| 20:31.11 | bpun | plus_M, then start screen.. (be sure screen is not listed in ps aux) |
| 20:31.13 | plus_M | Even though it's a server |
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| 20:31.24 | bpun | plus_M, so what fixed it? |
| 20:31.30 | plus_M | export TERM=linux |
| 20:31.31 | jetscreamer | furrywolf: custom kernels no udev work, i can boot normally btw |
| 20:31.36 | furrywolf | Zweisteine: umm, chances are you want your filesystems and network to work. |
| 20:31.40 | jetscreamer | just fyi stuff |
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| 20:31.43 | furrywolf | jetscreamer: hrmm, odd. |
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| 20:31.46 | bpun | plus_M, check out multi-tail as well.. interesting prog... |
| 20:31.47 | wols | plus_M: /etc/screenrc |
| 20:31.48 | jelly-home | plus_M: _don't_ put a system-wide TERM, not smart. |
| 20:31.56 | plus_M | ok |
| 20:32.07 | jetscreamer | afk |
| 20:32.08 | wols | jelly-home: the vbell, not the term |
| 20:32.09 | Zweisteine | Yeah, but it hangs for 5-10 seconds on "IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver" |
| 20:32.12 | Eulex | plus_M, what terminal application are you using? and setting TERM to linux in something that isn't a linux text console is technically incorrect. |
| 20:32.15 | furrywolf | I've never used udev, so no idea what bugs it may have. :) |
| 20:32.16 | jelly-home | wols: ah, ok |
| 20:32.16 | bpun | plus_M, that goes in your .bash files.. |
| 20:32.21 | plus_M | I'm sshing in with urxvt |
| 20:32.22 | dvs | Yay! Debian 7 was released this week. |
| 20:32.35 | bpun | JosefAssad, assuming he was trying.. let him go.. |
| 20:32.36 | wols | dvs: you from the future? |
| 20:32.39 | Zweisteine | I would also like to know what log file stores all the messages printed on bootup, as /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog don't |
| 20:32.54 | plus_M | Alright thanks |
| 20:32.54 | dvs | wols: just a bit disoriented. ;-) |
| 20:32.54 | wols | Zweisteine: kern.log |
| 20:32.55 | jelly-home | dvs: that's not Debian, dude. |
| 20:32.58 | Eulex | plus_M, try looking in the documentation of urxvt, see if you can change what it sends as backspace character |
| 20:33.02 | furrywolf | Zweisteine: they're stored in kernel memory... use dmesg to get them out. |
| 20:33.03 | JosefAssad | bpun: Absolutely. I was actually acknoledging that your suggestion bettered mine by far |
| 20:33.12 | jelly-home | dvs: also that is not a finger |
| 20:33.14 | plus_M | Eulex, it's working now, but thanks |
| 20:33.19 | dvs | o_O |
| 20:33.21 | jetscreamer | you have to enable the bootlog, Zweisteine |
| 20:33.21 | bpun | JosefAssad, I didn't suggest anything.. |
| 20:33.29 | jetscreamer | it's deisabled by default |
| 20:33.32 | jetscreamer | err dis |
| 20:33.57 | jelly-home | Fedora 7 ftw |
| 20:33.58 | jetscreamer | syslog!=bootlog btw |
| 20:33.59 | Eulex | plus_M, sure, as you will, but you might find that some things do not work with an incorrect $TERM... |
| 20:34.09 | plus_M | Is linux incorrect? |
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| 20:34.16 | Eulex | for urxvt; yes. |
| 20:34.24 | plus_M | I see |
| 20:34.40 | plus_M | What "terminal" does putty use for ssh |
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| 20:34.54 | Zweisteine | OK I enabled the bootlog. I'll reboot now. |
| 20:35.12 | coolzone | Hi, I am trying to run alsaconf, I get this error: "/usr/sbin/alsaconf: line 107: getopt: command not found", which package contains getopt? |
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| 20:35.31 | Eulex | plus_M, putty sets $TERM to 'xterm' by default, although this is too technically incorrect. putty has however its own $TERM that can be set, 'putty'. |
| 20:35.47 | jetscreamer | 2.6.20-1-k7 |
| 20:35.56 | plus_M | ok |
| 20:36.20 | bpun | plus_M, you don't necessary need putty to run from screen.. you're a man use the ssh command :)! |
| 20:36.22 | dondelelcaro | coolzone: getopt is in util-linux, but it's also a shell builtin; if you don't have it, you may not be running Debian, or you've deleted things. |
| 20:36.28 | jelly-home | so it's ok to put putty as TERM in putty? :-) |
| 20:36.34 | JosefAssad | bpun: Was taling about --> < bpun> plus_M, see if TERM is linxu. Never mind |
| 20:36.50 | plus_M | bpun, I was talking more about my windows-using friends who ssh in |
| 20:37.17 | bpun | plus_M, ah, 'cuse it's also avail to linux.. ok.. |
| 20:37.51 | bpun | plus_M, you can also run filezilla to login via ssh for sftp.. |
| 20:37.54 | Eulex | plus_M, although applications have learned to deal with terminal applications lying about what they are (most common lie is that they're xterm). |
| 20:38.00 | CharminTheMoose | how do i use xmms-jack with xmms? |
| 20:38.05 | Eulex | jelly-home, it should be. |
| 20:38.06 | bpun | plus_M, (filezilla for windowblowers) |
| 20:38.15 | plus_M | I use filezilla through wine |
| 20:38.19 | plus_M | Does that make me a bad person |
| 20:38.31 | OceanSpray | Yes |
| 20:38.35 | OceanSpray | You are horrible. |
| 20:38.37 | plus_M | Filezilla is the best ftp client I've used personally |
| 20:38.46 | bpun | plus_M, yes it does, use konqueror for that.. (sftp:// turn on protocol in konqueror option) |
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| 20:38.51 | plus_M | I use xfce |
| 20:38.53 | plus_M | I don't like KDE |
| 20:38.58 | wols | plus_M: there is a filezilla in debian |
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| 20:39.04 | plus_M | Well I'm not using debian |
| 20:39.31 | bpun | plus_M, traitor! |
| 20:39.32 | plus_M | But my repos have it too I Guess |
| 20:39.33 | blinx | I want to remux the files created by project x to one mpg file |
| 20:39.39 | blinx | how I can realize that? |
| 20:39.42 | jetscreamer | oh. changing root= from hde1 to hda1 stops it from booting ubuntu halfway in the middle of boting debian :) |
| 20:39.43 | JosefAssad | wols: Why use a native client when you can blow cpu cycles mapping system calls to an inferior OS? |
| 20:39.45 | blinx | which tool(s) are needed? |
| 20:40.06 | plus_M | 3.0 for linux is still in beta |
| 20:40.10 | plus_M | But I'll try it anyway |
| 20:40.16 | jetscreamer | blinx: you can use many things. you can even cat them together if the files are matched enough. |
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| 20:40.24 | jetscreamer | mencoder, avidemux, 2million othe rprograms |
| 20:40.27 | jelly-home | JosefAssad: because it works! |
| 20:40.36 | blinx | jetscreamer: which one you can recommend? |
| 20:40.42 | bpun | plus_M, you don't need kde to run konqueror, but many base file need to be installed.. |
| 20:40.51 | plus_M | That's why I don't want to install it |
| 20:40.57 | jetscreamer | avidemux for an easy gui, mencoder if you are anal or whatever |
| 20:40.59 | plus_M | Plus isn't that kind of like using IE for ftp |
| 20:41.12 | jetscreamer | !debian-marillat |
| 20:41.12 | plus_M | Uh oh, now I'm going to be shot |
| 20:41.20 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 20:41.21 | dpkg | [debian-multimedia] a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 20:41.24 | bpun | plus_M, whatever works.. i was just giving something for sftp.. ssh is command |
| 20:41.33 | plus_M | Well we have an ftp client |
| 20:41.34 | plus_M | err |
| 20:41.36 | plus_M | Server |
| 20:41.38 | mick_home | i have been trying to get phpgroupware working (i got it via apt-get and it installed/configured), i get redirected to the login page but nothing is displayed and i see nothing bad when i tail the apache error.log and access.log shows that it is accessing the page. http://localhost/phpgroupware -> http://localhost/phpgroupware/login.php (so i am in the right directory). |
| 20:41.41 | plus_M | proftpd |
| 20:42.03 | bpun | plus_M, well whatever works.. i believe proftpd has its encryption as well.. |
| 20:42.09 | plus_M | Yeah it probably does |
| 20:42.21 | plus_M | Although it's not terribly important for what we're doing |
| 20:42.22 | mick_home | i can't connect to mysql via the phpgroupware user - but i guess the user wasn't created (even though it asked me for my mysql root pw?) |
| 20:42.24 | jelly-home | proftpd also has a remote exploit every 6 months |
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| 20:43.43 | bpun | plus_M, you sound like warez-boy.. i think you should help reporting bugs or somethin |
| 20:43.51 | plus_M | ? |
| 20:43.55 | bpun | plus_M, and help the community a bit.. |
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| 20:44.10 | plus_M | Help report bugs for what |
| 20:44.23 | bpun | *sigh* warez-boy |
| 20:44.54 | plus_M | Well |
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| 20:45.29 | plus_M | I try to help the theora project when I can although I don't program or anything |
| 20:45.37 | maddash | !rsync |
| 20:45.37 | dpkg | well, rsync is a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 20:45.38 | bpun | plus_M, you're not running debian, and just want help for your warez servers for your friends.. it sounds like you don't help the fsf movement.. quite ashame |
| 20:45.43 | plus_M | No |
| 20:45.46 | plus_M | We don't have a warez server |
| 20:45.49 | plus_M | Our server is legit |
| 20:46.05 | plus_M | All I wanted help with was screen |
| 20:46.12 | bpun | plus_M, well torrent server for that maatter |
| 20:46.19 | plus_M | That neither |
| 20:46.24 | plus_M | Stop assuming that I'm doing illegal activities |
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| 20:46.29 | JosefAssad | this "24" re-enactment would do better taken private if you absolutely must |
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| 20:47.08 | bpun | JosefAssad, he's asking why he should reportbugs.. seems like he closed the deal for everyone anyways.. |
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| 20:47.21 | plus_M | bpun, I'm asking what you want me to report bugs for |
| 20:47.25 | plus_M | I use archlinux, I don't use Debian |
| 20:47.35 | plus_M | I don't see how I could report bugs for Debian |
| 20:47.44 | claudio` | How can i remove the inet address from sit0? |
| 20:47.48 | plus_M | Unless I ever have problems with the server, which I usually don't |
| 20:48.06 | JosefAssad | claudio`: ifconfig sit0 down ? |
| 20:48.12 | bpun | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.13 | claudio` | JosefAssad: doesn't work |
| 20:48.23 | khermans_ | what is the proper way to request a package for inclusion in Debian/ |
| 20:48.24 | JosefAssad | claudio`: as root? |
| 20:48.24 | khermans_ | ? |
| 20:48.28 | claudio` | JosefAssad: of course |
| 20:48.37 | claudio` | JosefAssad: look here.. |
| 20:48.40 | claudio` | root@smop:~# ifconfig sit0 down ; ifconfig sit0 |grep addr inet addr:213.41.243.68 Mask:255.255.255.0 |
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| 20:48.50 | nikns | http://secure.lv/tmp/abi.txt <-- any ideas? |
| 20:48.51 | JosefAssad | claudio`: odd. tried ifconfig -v sit0 down ? |
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| 20:49.00 | khermans_ | Should I submit a Debian bug with tag [needs-packaging] ??? |
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| 20:49.16 | claudio` | JosefAssad: no output |
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| 20:49.54 | JosefAssad | claudio`: /var/log/kern.log have anything to say? |
| 20:50.00 | Talaturen | Hello, I messed up my fonts today and many things turned into squares.. so my friend sent me his fonts folders and now that I try to copy them to the font folder it says that they dont exist... anyone have any idea why? |
| 20:50.40 | claudio` | JosefAssad: nothing |
| 20:50.44 | bpun | Talaturen, yes, re-install the package with your head and not your tail |
| 20:51.25 | JosefAssad | claudio`: Gremlins. By a sophisticated process of eliminating possible causes, I have arrived at that conclusion. |
| 20:51.30 | Talaturen | bpun, but why isn't it possible to move files to the folder? |
| 20:51.38 | claudio` | JosefAssad: :-) |
| 20:51.52 | epsilon | I want to build own kernel without initrd(ramfs stuff, but using the debian's kernelsource. which packages do I need for that? |
| 20:52.08 | bpun | Talaturen, you're obviously not following your package manager.. honestly.. you're not using debian either are you? |
| 20:52.23 | Talaturen | bpun, I'm using debian.. etch. |
| 20:52.42 | bpun | Talaturen, did you overwrite anything? |
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| 20:52.53 | claudio` | JosefAssad: i had to remove the inet6 address first. Now it works. THX |
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| 20:53.23 | Talaturen | not really, just removed the old fonts from /var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d/D/, and now when trying to add my friends fonts (he's also using debian 4), it refuse to copy them to the folder.. |
| 20:53.27 | StyXman | epsilon: kernel-source and dependences, plus maybe libncurses5-dev |
| 20:53.51 | JosefAssad | claudio`: Thank me if I help you :) In this case, you covered it yourself. I'll keep that little factoid of how you did it in mind; wonder if it's worth poking the ifconfig maintainer about verbose error messages in your use case |
| 20:53.53 | bpun | Talaturen, 1, a distro is good for its package manager.. i won't say more |
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| 20:54.55 | Talaturen | bpun, now that I've messed around with fonts I'm not sure which ones are the default ones but fine I'll just install all ttf- ones with wildcard. |
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| 20:56.44 | epsilon | StyXman: just apt-get source linux-image-<version> and linux-headers-<version>? |
| 20:56.52 | bpun | !tell Talaturen about debian |
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| 20:57.28 | Muffin | ...is there somewhere I can go to get old versions of certain packages? |
| 20:57.32 | doudou1 | Hi i came this morning to ask for webcam logitech pro 5000, they told me to go http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ i saw my webcam, i check lsusb and got 046d:08ce that is the one indicated by the link, i did aptitude install linux-uvc-source, what should i do now? |
| 20:57.34 | StyXman | epsilon: nono, apt-get install linux-source-<version> |
| 20:57.36 | Muffin | Like, the most recent libc6_2.4.*? |
| 20:57.55 | StyXman | doudou1: compile the beas |
| 20:57.58 | StyXman | beast |
| 20:58.01 | Talaturen | bpun, I'm not going to read lots of shit just because of a problem with fonts.. but thanks anyway for ehm... trying to help me.. |
| 20:58.07 | AndroidDat1 | how do you get directory info via a terminal? with "directory info" I mean like the total amount of files in the directory and the total file size (recursive) |
| 20:58.07 | doudou1 | styxman, where is it? |
| 20:58.18 | StyXman | doudou1: /usr/src |
| 20:58.20 | bpun | Talaturen, well rtfm |
| 20:58.26 | bpun | Talaturen, then ask |
| 20:58.36 | mnvl_ | is it possible to add several interfaces to /etc/network/interfaces, for the same hardware device, so as to have different configurations for ethernet, depending on what the cable's plugged into?? |
| 20:58.48 | StyXman | AndroidDat1: one way is du |
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| 20:59.11 | StyXman | mnvl_: read man interfaces |
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| 20:59.53 | FabParma | Does exist a way to create Dual WAN Load Balancing on Debian? Thank You in advance |
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| 21:00.15 | doudou1 | styxman, if found it, try make but error : /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/build: No such file or directory |
| 21:00.16 | Muffin | See, I need a working libc6 install to build a kernel to let me install the newest libc6... |
| 21:00.25 | StyXman | FabParma: there are, but none really easy |
| 21:00.27 | Talaturen | bpun, then there's no point in coming here.. only for bugs perhaps.. but I'm not going to read whole the manual just because of a font problem.. |
| 21:00.28 | bpun | FabParma, I believe that's "multilink"-- it should be possible |
| 21:00.37 | StyXman | specially if you expect it to detect link failure |
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| 21:01.07 | StyXman | doudou1: hmm, I think you need your kernel-headers or you kernel-source |
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| 21:01.48 | StyXman | Muffin: archive.debian.net used to have old package versions |
| 21:01.51 | jetscreamer | wish i could take my box over to whichever dd's house and say 'explain this!' :) |
| 21:01.54 | derjohn | hi, is there a .deb out for vmware-server on etch? |
| 21:02.04 | doudou1 | styxman, i did not look well there are instructions for debian, i read them |
| 21:02.22 | jetscreamer | iirc there's a kernel, derjohn ... apt-cache search vmware maybe |
| 21:02.26 | FabParma | StyXman: What you think using Shorewall? |
| 21:02.35 | StyXman | FabParma: ah, it's wonderful |
| 21:02.49 | jetscreamer | derjohn: there are also kernel modules i 'think' but i've nevdr done vmware so i'm not up on it |
| 21:02.50 | StyXman | but again, it does not detect link failure |
| 21:02.52 | derjohn | jetscreamer, nah, only xserver graphics ... |
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| 21:04.05 | derjohn | well, I am getting sad of doing a tarball install (and updates) on my machines, so I asked.. maybe ubuntu has a srcpackage I "refurbish".... |
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| 21:05.10 | doudou1 | styxman, i need module-assitant |
| 21:05.32 | doudou1 | styxman, i did aptitude install module-assistant ; module-assistant prepare |
| 21:06.19 | Quintin | How would I list all packages that are priority optional? |
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| 21:06.34 | StyXman | doudou1: you're better solving things by yourself than me :) |
| 21:06.38 | epsilon | in etch, I run apt-key update, but while installig packages I still get "can't verify signature" error - what do I wrong? |
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| 21:08.26 | doudou1 | styxman, i only read the doc, now i have a problem m-a a-i linux-uv, failed saying i dont have kernel headers |
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| 21:09.26 | izzyb | Is there a document around explaining how to get the apache suexec module insttalled in debian sarge? |
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| 21:09.59 | doudou1 | styxman, i dont understand what i am doing you know |
| 21:10.43 | dondelelcaro | izzyb: it's distributed with apache; you just symlink it appropriately. |
| 21:11.15 | bpun | doudou1, make the appropriate symlink for /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/build if nec.. i won't say more.. |
| 21:11.18 | doudou1 | styxman, so i went back to your last answer install kernel-headers or kernel-source |
| 21:11.23 | StyXman | doudou1: sec |
| 21:12.16 | doudou1 | No candidate version found for kernel-source |
| 21:12.16 | doudou1 | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 21:12.16 | doudou1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.16 | StyXman | doudou1: try the headers first |
| 21:12.16 | bpun | epsilon, man apt-key |
| 21:13.21 | doudou1 | styxman, same answer for aptitude install kernel-headers is something broken in my install? because i am always nearly 96% disk usage and no swap |
| 21:13.30 | Muffin | archive.debian.org doesn't quite seem to have the newer old package versions...I want the one that was installed juuuuust before I tried to update. :-\ |
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| 21:13.50 | StyXman | doudou1: try |
| 21:14.18 | bpun | doudou1, buy a biggger drive then |
| 21:14.19 | StyXman | doudou1: try «apt-get install -kernel-headers-$(uname -r)» |
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| 21:14.59 | StyXman | doudou1: no, it's just that you should install your kernel's headers |
| 21:15.15 | donny | what's cc1? is it just another name for the c compiler? does it do anything different than invoking cc? |
| 21:15.33 | karsten | donny: 'which cc1' |
| 21:16.00 | jetscreamer | doudou1: try apt-get clean |
| 21:16.01 | donny | karrotx: well i dont' actually have cc1 on my system, in fact i was fully prepared to hear that gcc on debian didn't install any "cc1" |
| 21:16.07 | karsten | donny: Where'd you get cc1 from? |
| 21:16.10 | karrotx | no way |
| 21:16.16 | karrotx | that's awesome |
| 21:16.21 | karsten | karrotx: Welcome to my tab trap. |
| 21:16.24 | donny | karsten: reading the documentation for gcc and ccache |
| 21:16.28 | doudou1 | styxman, same E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 21:16.35 | karrotx | donny: do you happen to have tab completion? |
| 21:16.40 | donny | karrotx: yes |
| 21:16.46 | jetscreamer | StyXman: doudou1 it would be linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 21:16.51 | karsten | donny: karrotx isn't me. |
| 21:16.51 | StyXman | doudou1: etch, you said? |
| 21:16.53 | jetscreamer | or the $( |
| 21:16.54 | xand | StyXman: linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 21:16.57 | jetscreamer | wither / or |
| 21:17.01 | jetscreamer | either/or |
| 21:17.01 | StyXman | jetscreamer: it's the same |
| 21:17.03 | xand | er |
| 21:17.04 | xand | doudou1: linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 21:17.12 | jetscreamer | StyXman: but it's linux-headers not kernel |
| 21:17.13 | donny | karsten: hahaa... i failed at tab-completion while answering a question about tab-completion... |
| 21:17.19 | StyXman | jetscreamer: right |
| 21:17.30 | epsilon | The kernel source (linux-source-2.6.18 package) has pre-choosen list for all the core options (such as IO shedule etc), are they the original from kernel.org, or choosen to work well on debian? |
| 21:17.33 | Quintin | Is anyone here German? |
| 21:17.46 | doudou1 | styxman, same answer after apt-get clean |
| 21:17.47 | karsten | !tell Quintin about fragen. |
| 21:18.04 | epsilon | Quintin: #debian.de |
| 21:18.05 | jetscreamer | epsilon: make menuconfig sucks in the /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 21:18.08 | karsten | Quintin: /msg dpkg de for German support. Or just ask. |
| 21:18.10 | jetscreamer | on clean sources |
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| 21:18.18 | StyXman | doudou1: «No candidate version found for linux-headers»? |
| 21:18.27 | Quintin | I don't need german debian! |
| 21:18.35 | doudou1 | styxman, yes |
| 21:18.36 | jetscreamer | aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 21:18.39 | Quintin | I need german cartoons / kids shows / tv shows to watch to make my german better :p |
| 21:18.54 | StyXman | doudou1: do as jetscreamer sais |
| 21:18.58 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, same answer |
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| 21:19.05 | StyXman | hmm |
| 21:19.10 | StyXman | doudou1: etch, you said? |
| 21:19.12 | donny | karsten: uh.. yes i have tab-completion, why? |
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| 21:19.14 | xand | Quintin: ask in the de channel |
| 21:19.14 | jetscreamer | doudou1: then you are running sid? |
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| 21:19.22 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, same answer E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 21:19.32 | karsten | Quintin: There's tons of German-language multimedia out there. There's this thing called the Internet you may have heard of. Also RSS / podcasts, and YouTube. |
| 21:19.33 | xand | doudou1: it's not called that |
| 21:19.39 | jetscreamer | doudou1: what part of linux-headers not kernel-headers |
| 21:19.41 | karsten | Quintin: Not really a debian question FWIW. |
| 21:19.59 | Quintin | karsten: I know it's not. Yea, but I want something *entertaining* too :P |
| 21:19.59 | StyXman | doudou1: see the output of «apt-cache search linux-headers» |
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| 21:20.12 | karsten | Quintin: See above. |
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| 21:20.32 | Quintin | meh. |
| 21:20.32 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, thanks sorry for that yes linux-headers install |
| 21:20.39 | JosefAssad | Quintin: translate docs or apps. Learn by doing |
| 21:20.45 | witless | do you think this would make an acceptable debian-etch storage server (4 sata drives in software raid5)? https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.asp?ID=4460854 |
| 21:20.48 | jetscreamer | doudou1: np |
| 21:21.16 | war | witless: nothing shows up there |
| 21:21.19 | xand | witless: can't see that without logging in. |
| 21:21.24 | jetscreamer | doudou1: is is that linux-headers are not found, is it working now |
| 21:21.25 | witless | sorry |
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| 21:21.31 | jetscreamer | is it |
| 21:21.36 | war | witless: 4 drives will yield ~150MB/s read/write if sata and you use sw raid5 w/ tweaks for pefromance |
| 21:21.38 | karsten | Quintin: There's a chinese language site called Chinese Pod that's starting to franchise out as well. They've got spanish. iTunes or related aggregators are good at finding language lessons. |
| 21:21.38 | jetscreamer | or is it |
| 21:21.40 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, but ..Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main linux-headers-2.6.18-4 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch1 |
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| 21:21.42 | war | witless: on p965 chipset anyway |
| 21:21.46 | jetscreamer | ah ok good |
| 21:21.55 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, 404 not found |
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| 21:22.27 | jetscreamer | doudou1: maybe you should aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade and see if anything happens |
| 21:22.29 | StyXman | doudou1: aptitude update |
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| 21:22.35 | StyXman | doudou1: and try again |
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| 21:23.26 | jetscreamer | ok i'm gonna go play with my magic picot_root (i think it's a pivot) |
| 21:23.30 | jetscreamer | err pivot |
| 21:23.32 | war | anyone here run 1920x1200 and have a screenshot of their desktop? I am curious what DPI/font sizes you use? |
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| 21:23.42 | jetscreamer | use big |
| 21:24.07 | witless | war: this is the barebones system: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16856152019 |
| 21:24.35 | karsten | war: Wouldn't that be in xorg.conf somewhere? Defaults AFAICT. |
| 21:24.44 | karsten | war: I'm dual-head at work, single on the road (laptop). |
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| 21:25.38 | Eulex | war, I've got 1680x1050 on a 15.4" laptop screen, I use 96dpi but with an 11 pt gtk2 default font, and tweaked minimum size fonts in iceweasel. |
| 21:25.45 | izzyb | dondelelcaro, I thought it had to be compiled in or something. Thanks for the info, I'll see what I can find |
| 21:25.47 | xand | Eulex: that sounds painful |
| 21:26.06 | FabParma | how to upgrade to the latest distro via shell? |
| 21:26.16 | dondelelcaro | izzyb: nah; the suexec binary has to be compiled, and the path is hard coded, but you can rename it fairly easily. |
| 21:26.19 | Quintin | FabParma: aptitude update, aptitude upgrade, aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:26.20 | dondelelcaro | !debian mantra |
| 21:26.21 | dpkg | debian mantra is probably "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
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| 21:26.49 | izzyb | dondelelcaro, thanks. I found a doc that seems to cover it. |
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| 21:26.56 | karsten | dpkg: debian mantra ~= s/apt-get/aptitude/g |
| 21:26.56 | war | karrotx: yeah |
| 21:26.56 | Quintin | Is there anything for Linux that makes setting up multi-head displays as easy as it is on windows? |
| 21:26.59 | Eulex | xand, well, works well, except for web pages that expect fonts of a specific size, the text will 'overflow' the design :/ |
| 21:27.02 | war | Eulex: 96 DPI ahh |
| 21:27.06 | war | Eulex: I think thats the default |
| 21:27.09 | war | witless: checking |
| 21:27.14 | karsten | Feh. dondelelcaro what's the syntax again? |
| 21:27.14 | Eulex | war, indeed |
| 21:27.37 | war | witless: it looks nice but I cant recommend it I have not used it |
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| 21:27.45 | xand | Eulex: I have 1680x1050 on a 20" screen... sounds painful on 15.4 |
| 21:27.46 | war | 11pt gtk font I see. |
| 21:27.49 | jelly-home | Eulex: hmm, but 1680x1050 at 15.4" is something like 120dpi (physical)? |
| 21:27.52 | Eulex | war, wanna see a screenie? |
| 21:27.54 | war | Eulex: how to check gtk font size? I use KDE priamarily here |
| 21:27.56 | karsten | Doh. Nevermind. |
| 21:27.59 | Eulex | jelly-home, indeed it is |
| 21:28.19 | jelly-home | Eulex: my 1280x800 15.4" is exactly 96dpi ;-) |
| 21:28.22 | witless | war: thanks, just curious whether or not the motherboard could handle 4 drives simultaneously in raid5 |
| 21:28.31 | war | witless: the chipset is what can/cannot handle it |
| 21:28.33 | war | witless: it should be able to |
| 21:28.37 | war | only 4 hard drive |
| 21:28.44 | witless | ok, thank you |
| 21:28.57 | war | but I have seen some weird stuff on nforce, make sure its fully supproted :) |
| 21:28.57 | Eulex | war, use gtk-theme-switch for setting gtk font sizes, but you should be able to set a corresponding setting for kde apps |
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| 21:29.00 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, solved install of linux-headers, i lauchn module-assistant a-i linux-uvc and i got an error like make[1]: *** [kdist_clean] Error 127 |
| 21:29.30 | war | Eulex: http://iniquity.net/~war/ss.png <- 1920x1200 does not seem big because my xchat/etc fonts are too large? |
| 21:29.35 | war | 1920x1200 x 2 that is |
| 21:29.46 | jetscreamer | doudou1: maybe aptitude install build-essential libncurses5-dev kernel-package but i dunno |
| 21:30.09 | foo | How can I remove -- MARK -- from /var/log/messages ? I stuck interval 0 in syslogd.conf ... didn't seem to stop it (like the man page said it would). |
| 21:30.26 | piztek | how can I adjust the vlc audio slider |
| 21:30.58 | dondelelcaro | foo: did you restart syslogd? |
| 21:31.01 | war | Eulex: what do you thinkk? |
| 21:31.07 | dondelelcaro | foo: do you have a mark cronjob? |
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| 21:31.10 | Eulex | xand, not really, you do sit closer to a laptop screen... and I love my big and detailed fonts :) |
| 21:31.11 | bpun | piztek, if the video codec offers frame jumping |
| 21:31.12 | war | foo: remove the -m 0 from the cmd line |
| 21:31.23 | bpun | piztek, sorry err |
| 21:31.44 | Eulex | war, I guess you have a big screenor good eye-sight? my fonts are bigger than that :) |
| 21:31.51 | FabParma | how to install new kernel from console? |
| 21:31.56 | piztek | i have a default audio volume set, but it's so small on the slider that i can't adjust it |
| 21:31.57 | foo | dondelelcaro: Yup |
| 21:32.00 | xand | Eulex: I don't site closer |
| 21:32.04 | war | Eulex: well I sit close but do you see my point? |
| 21:32.04 | xand | Eulex: well, not much |
| 21:32.09 | foo | dondelelcaro: hm, unless there is a mark crontab by default... hm |
| 21:32.12 | war | Eulex: 1920x1200 seems a lot bigger w/WinXP vs. linux |
| 21:32.17 | war | Eulex: because the GTK/theme/et seems so big, hm |
| 21:32.21 | foo | war: Where at? |
| 21:32.35 | dondelelcaro | foo: war probably has it; I personally use syslog-ng, not syslogd. [it'd be in /etc/default/syslogd most likely] |
| 21:32.37 | alaya_ | grep -v MARK /var/log/messages |
| 21:32.42 | Eulex | war, that's because you use clearlooks |
| 21:33.01 | foo | alaya_: heh, if I wanted that... I would have done that :) |
| 21:33.05 | foo | dondelelcaro: Ah, what do you like better about -ng ? |
| 21:33.15 | jetscreamer | hey dondelelcaro halfway through the boot process hda becomes hde and all of a sudden it's booting ubuntu instead of debian :o zomg! |
| 21:33.21 | war | Eulex: I think I need to migrate to a smaller theme/font |
| 21:33.24 | war | foo: the pic? |
| 21:33.37 | foo | war: I only have this SYSLOGD="" in /etc/default/syslogd |
| 21:33.43 | foo | war: Wha? |
| 21:33.45 | jetscreamer | and the damn thing actually boots |
| 21:34.00 | war | foo: oh |
| 21:34.07 | izzyb | dondelelcaro, all the instructions I've found seem to say I need to pass options to the apache config to build the suexec binary |
| 21:34.11 | jetscreamer | cept it can't find the modules because they're on another partition |
| 21:34.23 | izzyb | is this binary allready availble from debian? |
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| 21:34.38 | bpun | jetscreamer, check bootline in grub/lilo and verify with rdev against kernel image |
| 21:34.49 | war | foo: -m 0 rather should eifx it |
| 21:34.57 | war | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:35.01 | war | foo: set it in the default/syslogd |
| 21:35.03 | war | foo: to -m 0 |
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| 21:35.15 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, did not solved m-a a-i linux-uvc but make and make install worked, what should i do know? |
| 21:35.15 | dondelelcaro | izzyb: the suexec binary is already built by default; you just have to move it into the proper location; the README.Debian should have instructions on how to do this |
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| 21:35.50 | jetscreamer | doudou1: i do not know. run your new program? |
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| 21:36.02 | war | Eulex: can I see a scrneeshot of your pic? |
| 21:36.07 | foo | war: aha! Yup, I stuck interval 0 in /etc/syslogd ... this does the same thing, just at command line, cool, that should work |
| 21:36.10 | foo | Thanks! |
| 21:36.12 | war | Eulex: desktop |
| 21:36.17 | war | foo: k, np. |
| 21:36.19 | jetscreamer | doudou1: whatever it is that you do with linux-uvc i guess |
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| 21:36.35 | PriceChild | If there are any ops around, meLanie[huh] is a pm spammer (on join) |
| 21:36.44 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, i install camstream but it cant see any device |
| 21:37.00 | Eulex | war, ftp://eulex.zapto.org/xfce-061218.png <--- a few months old, but basicallt looks the same still |
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| 21:37.15 | jetscreamer | PriceChild: tell #freenode-social |
| 21:37.24 | jetscreamer | /msg an op |
| 21:37.24 | |XO| | anyone here have experience with gdb? |
| 21:37.35 | PriceChild | jetscreamer, am trying :) |
| 21:37.47 | war | Eulex: k thx |
| 21:38.20 | war | Eulex: ah |
| 21:38.27 | war | Eulex: very bright desktop :oo |
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| 21:40.07 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, it is supposed to make my webcam logitech pro 5000 work, how can i see that the module saw it? |
| 21:40.34 | aalex | Hi |
| 21:40.47 | jetscreamer | doudou1: i don't know, never done a webcam in linux |
| 21:40.56 | aalex | Anyone knows what is the name of a music player with a PHP web interface? |
| 21:41.10 | izzyb | dondelelcaro, the README.Debian doesn't provide instructions. only mentions what the default document root and log dirs were for suexec at compile time |
| 21:41.48 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, thanks |
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| 21:43.00 | izzyb | dondelelcaro, did you can't my last message before loosing connection? |
| 21:43.23 | izzyb | re no instructions in README.Debian |
| 21:43.31 | bpun | izzyb, what about /usr/share/doc or makewhatis ? |
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| 21:44.03 | izzyb | yeah, I'm looking in /usr/share/doc/apache-common right now |
| 21:44.17 | izzyb | also checked the apache-perl docs dir |
| 21:44.39 | dondelelcaro | izzyb: yeah; I thought it was documented there, but anyway, what you have to do is cp /usr/lib/apache/suexec.disabled /usr/lib/apache/suexec; then you configure suexec as usual. |
| 21:44.51 | bpun | izzyb, what cmd has no doc or fwiiw? |
| 21:44.53 | war | anyone else here use 1920x1200 resoltuon and have screenshots? |
| 21:45.12 | war | of their debian system |
| 21:45.27 | bpun | war, you can shoot your own screen first! :) |
| 21:45.47 | war | 3840x1200 here |
| 21:45.51 | bpun | dondelelcaro, that's pretty low res man.. you suck :) |
| 21:45.51 | bout | why cant it print to my new HP photosmart C3180 printer, although it does have the drivers loaded and pretends to start the print job, then paper starts to feed then stops. help |
| 21:45.53 | alaya_ | oh sick |
| 21:45.54 | war | 19200x1200 or ++ then |
| 21:45.55 | OceanSpray | holy shit. |
| 21:46.02 | OceanSpray | 19200 |
| 21:46.08 | war | 1920 sorry |
| 21:46.12 | war | typo I don't have that many screen |
| 21:46.15 | war | hehe |
| 21:46.15 | izzyb | dondelelcaro, thanks, but I don't have an suexec.ddisabled as above |
| 21:46.27 | FabParma | does exist an apt command to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:46.30 | war | I used to have a 6400x1024 |
| 21:46.31 | war | at work |
| 21:46.39 | war | 5 x 19" lcd |
| 21:46.41 | karsten | bout: Do you have the printer file for that (ppd?)? |
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| 21:46.56 | bpun | FabParma, no |
| 21:47.14 | Quintin | ... |
| 21:47.21 | Quintin | Are you people compensating for something? |
| 21:47.32 | karsten | Quintin: yeah. |
| 21:47.35 | bpun | Quintin, yes, windows |
| 21:47.36 | karsten | Quintin: inadequate ... |
| 21:47.37 | izzyb | dondelelcaro, thanks. found it in /usrr/lib/apache-perl/ |
| 21:47.39 | karsten | Quintin: ... vision. |
| 21:47.57 | Quintin | karsten: heh |
| 21:48.17 | karsten | Quintin: Honestly, maximizing screen real-estate is one of the biggest usability wins you can get on your system. |
| 21:48.17 | dondelelcaro | izzyb: oh; you're using apache-perl; yeah, I'd personally just suggest using apache with libapache-mod-perl, but whatever works. |
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| 21:48.43 | Quintin | I've got.. 1280x1024.. cause stupid i810 won't draw 1400x1050 like I want. that's 19". dev box has 19" @ 1400x1050 or something, + 14 or 15" @ XGA |
| 21:48.47 | dondelelcaro | I think it comes a #2 to more memory, but eyah. |
| 21:48.51 | karsten | Quintin: I'm 1024x768 standalone, 1920x1200 + 1024x768 (dual head) at work though. |
| 21:48.52 | karsten | Quintin: Massively more useable w/ the larger screensize. |
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| 21:49.11 | Quintin | karsten: I have a friend with a dell 30" FPD. I hope he dies and leaves it to me |
| 21:49.11 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, seems dh_testdir is not installed in my debian, what package is needed? |
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| 21:49.17 | izzyb | dondelelcaro, thanks for the tip, I'll look into that next time I build a server |
| 21:49.29 | karsten | Quintin: For a reasonable fee, this can be arranged. |
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| 21:50.15 | Quintin | karsten: http://op-for.com/mr%20burns.jpg |
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| 21:50.36 | izzyb | why is suexec disabled by default? |
| 21:50.41 | karsten | ;-) |
| 21:50.45 | izzyb | doesn't it need to be configured to uuse anyway? |
| 21:50.50 | bpun | izzyb, because only newbies use it |
| 21:50.56 | izzyb | lol! |
| 21:51.05 | izzyb | what are the other options? |
| 21:51.12 | bpun | izzyb, anything but |
| 21:51.16 | izzyb | why? |
| 21:51.18 | karsten | WTF is suexec? |
| 21:51.27 | bpun | izzyb, because it's not good |
| 21:51.33 | izzyb | in what way?? |
| 21:51.34 | Quintin | karsten: what kind of vid cards do you have? |
| 21:51.41 | izzyb | I'm asking because I really want to know |
| 21:51.53 | karsten | Quintin: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] |
| 21:51.53 | bpun | izzyb, for anything and everything.. it's not good to leave the frontdoor open |
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| 21:52.07 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, found dh_testdir is part of package dbhelper with this link http://www.delafond.org/traducmanfr/deb/man7/debhelper.7.html |
| 21:52.13 | izzyb | I'm adding it because I need a way to know what user on my system has bad scripts running |
| 21:52.33 | izzyb | right now, iif I get a hacker, I only know they came in through apache |
| 21:52.35 | Quintin | karsten: I need a desktop card.. that does dual head, and hardware 3d.. hm |
| 21:52.40 | izzyb | I have know idea which users script let them in |
| 21:52.59 | bpun | izzyb, all i can say is to learn apache properly..suexec is a nono.. but whatever gives me access is ok.. |
| 21:53.12 | izzyb | my understanding is suexec will help me by making the scripts run under the users account, |
| 21:53.23 | izzyb | lol |
| 21:53.25 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, not dbhelper but debhelper |
| 21:53.34 | izzyb | well, stopping access is what I'm trying to do |
| 21:53.46 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, i aptitude install debhelper and now it worked |
| 21:53.58 | izzyb | or, more to the point, finding out who has allowed access when it does happen |
| 21:54.19 | izzyb | bpun, if you have recommendations as to a better solution, I'm all ears |
| 21:54.38 | izzyb | I'm trying to fix a problem, not create more |
| 21:54.38 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, but i still have no webcam in camstream |
| 21:54.47 | izzyb | if suexec is a bad solution, then I don't want to use it |
| 21:55.16 | bpun | izzyb, go to apache and read the docs.. or read up more about suexec forwhatever works best.. i have no idea what you're doing.. |
| 21:55.40 | izzyb | I'm running a small server that hosts several customers |
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| 21:55.47 | izzyb | they each have simple scripts |
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| 21:56.07 | izzyb | I've run into problems with users running dumb scripts that pose security risks |
| 21:56.16 | lu-bao | i got a usb flash stick with 2gb but when i used it i saw 2 partitions and something with u3 somebody knows this? Oo |
| 21:56.25 | izzyb | I can't stop that, so I need a way to track down which user is causing the problems so I can fix it |
| 21:56.33 | izzyb | is suexec the right tool for that job? |
| 21:56.38 | xand | lu-bao: yes, it's crappy software that the manufacturer put on there that only works on windows |
| 21:56.41 | bpun | izzyb, no sript is a security risk if you're a debian guru |
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| 21:56.54 | lu-bao | xand ah something with games and so mh am i able to remove it? :) |
| 21:57.00 | bpun | izzyb, if you're good in debian i'll help you |
| 21:57.05 | lu-bao | want only "one" partition with all space :) |
| 21:57.11 | xand | lu-bao: there's a removal program from U3 but I think it's windows only |
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| 21:57.18 | izzyb | bpun, that's funny |
| 21:57.18 | lu-bao | and not Fat i want Fat32 :) |
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| 21:57.31 | eat_life | what NTP do you guys prefer? I'm using openntpd right now |
| 21:57.33 | xand | lu-bao: http://www.u3.com/uninstall/ |
| 21:57.35 | lu-bao | xand mh no linux way to overwrite the whole drive? :( |
| 21:57.41 | lu-bao | i looked there its for windows |
| 21:57.42 | eat_life | but i don't like it, i get a lot of complaints about things being in the future |
| 21:57.43 | izzyb | bpun, what do I have to do to proove I'm good in debian? |
| 21:57.46 | bpun | izzyb, no i'm serious, you're in here for debian help.. you want me to help ubuntu bugerrors, that's not fair.. |
| 21:57.53 | xand | lu-bao: I don't know... it doesn't work like a normal disk |
| 21:58.09 | izzyb | bpun, I never said I was |
| 21:58.11 | dimsuz | emacs 22.1 is out! :) how do you think how long will it take for emacs 22.1 to appear in debian? :) |
| 21:58.11 | lu-bao | mh okay :( |
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| 21:58.17 | izzyb | and I know my way around a linux system |
| 21:58.30 | izzyb | I've been running linux since about 94, and I do most everything from the command line |
| 21:58.33 | Quintin | dimsuz: die |
| 21:58.45 | izzyb | I am no stranger to fixing problems, but I don't know everything |
| 21:58.47 | xand | dimsuz: why ask that when you could just use vim? :p |
| 21:58.51 | dimsuz | Quintin: huh? :) |
| 21:58.54 | izzyb | if you have helpful advice, I'd love to hear it |
| 21:58.55 | Quintin | dimsuz: slowly. |
| 21:58.56 | lu-bao | Quintin rofl calm down xD |
| 21:59.05 | bpun | izzyb, how do you start/stop the apache server? |
| 21:59.07 | Quintin | I've been using linux since '89! 8-) |
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| 21:59.10 | lu-bao | dimsuz what is emacs ? :) |
| 21:59.17 | xand | Quintin: impressive. |
| 21:59.23 | lu-bao | *uses linux since 2004 |
| 21:59.27 | izzyb | /etc/init.d/apache-perl stop |
| 21:59.27 | lu-bao | -.-* |
| 21:59.44 | dimsuz | Quintin: you're vim fan? |
| 21:59.53 | dimsuz | lu-bao: editor :) |
| 21:59.55 | Quintin | dimsuz: I use vim 'cause it works |
| 22:00.07 | lu-bao | okay how to check what partition my usb stick is ? i mean something like hdb or so ? :) |
| 22:00.10 | Quintin | same reason I use debian, and not.. red hat.. *barf* or such |
| 22:00.15 | xand | lu-bao: dmesg | grep sd |
| 22:00.19 | Quintin | lu-bao: dmesg |
| 22:00.27 | lu-bao | thank you :) |
| 22:00.28 | xand | lu-bao: it'll be sd<something> |
| 22:00.36 | dimsuz | xand: why don't you just use what you like and let others do the same? :) |
| 22:00.51 | dimsuz | Quintin: but how that answers my question? :) |
| 22:00.54 | bpun | izzyb, how long have you been on apache after your windows years? |
| 22:01.02 | foo | kernel: set_rtc_mmss: can't update from 165 to 30 ... I see this in the log, hm, any ideas? /me googles |
| 22:01.05 | lu-bao | lol btw i got the win2000 gtk theme from art.gnome since i think its the cleanest of all :p |
| 22:01.05 | dimsuz | Quintin: I use vim too |
| 22:01.06 | Quintin | dimsuz: which question? |
| 22:01.18 | xand | dimsuz: in general terms, because some people have no common sense ;) |
| 22:01.24 | lbt | lu-bao: have you got udev running? |
| 22:01.34 | lu-bao | lbt dont know but i have debian 4.0 :) |
| 22:01.35 | dimsuz | Quintin: when package for emacs will be available? |
| 22:01.41 | doudou1 | jetscreamer, unplug usb, plug cam and camstream saw device, but do not work well |
| 22:01.44 | lu-bao | and the flash drive got accepted automatically |
| 22:01.45 | Quintin | dimsuz: hopefully never. |
| 22:01.46 | dimsuz | xand: that dissapoints you? :) |
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| 22:02.03 | xand | dimsuz: it annoys me :P |
| 22:02.09 | lbt | lu-bao: ls /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 22:02.09 | lu-bao | lbt when i connected my flash stick i saw two folders so i think udev is on or? :) |
| 22:02.09 | Knight_Lord | How can i count how many times a word is repeated in a document? |
| 22:02.19 | bpun | lu-bao, win2000 theme? you're sicko! |
| 22:02.25 | Quintin | Knight_Lord: man wc |
| 22:02.25 | Knight_Lord | I was trying grep but didn't find any suitable option |
| 22:02.29 | dimsuz | Quintin: strange reaction :). but ok. i'd advise you to just close your eyes when you see the word "emacs" ;) |
| 22:02.44 | Quintin | Knight_Lord: oh, a specific word? You could make awk / sed / grep or so do that. |
| 22:02.57 | izzyb | bpun, is tthis really neccessary. I'm not asking to be spoon fed. I came looking for an answer, got it and you tell me it's a bad solution. now you can help out by explaining why, or I'll find someone else who will |
| 22:02.58 | dimsuz | xand: but that's your problem, no? :) |
| 22:02.59 | lu-bao | bpun noo i am right win2000 gtk theme owns :P |
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| 22:03.08 | Quintin | Etch is using GCC 4? |
| 22:03.20 | Knight_Lord | Quintin: i couldn't find anything in the grep manpage |
| 22:03.23 | bpun | izzyb, well the #apache people can give a better explanation.. |
| 22:03.24 | dimsuz | Quintin: yup, 4.1.2 |
| 22:03.36 | lbt | lu-bao: was that more useful :) |
| 22:03.37 | lu-bao | lbt mh there is only ata-hitachi and scsi-sata-hitachi inside :) |
| 22:03.41 | izzyb | bpun, thanks, I was thinking that myself |
| 22:03.44 | bpun | lu-bao, well as long as you delete your windows partition.. it's fine to me.. |
| 22:03.45 | Hoxzer | is knotify part of the kdelibs ? |
| 22:03.46 | Quintin | I'm slowly moving this sarge machine to etch. it's only got 512mb, so it's a bit touchy |
| 22:03.47 | xand | dimsuz: not exclusively |
| 22:03.49 | izzyb | thanks for the lead, I'll follow up there |
| 22:03.55 | lu-bao | bpun rofl |
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| 22:04.11 | lbt | lu-bao: is your stick plugged in now? |
| 22:04.15 | lu-bao | bpun yeah i will when you buy me a ps3 what replaces my game hardware :P |
| 22:04.19 | lu-bao | lbt yup |
| 22:04.35 | lbt | ps -ef | grep udev |
| 22:04.48 | lbt | udevd --daemon ? |
| 22:04.51 | lu-bao | two entries root and user |
| 22:04.56 | bpun | lu-bao, it also serves as a linux station |
| 22:04.57 | lu-bao | yes |
| 22:05.03 | lu-bao | udevd --daemon :) |
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| 22:05.05 | lu-bao | as root |
| 22:05.18 | lbt | hmm- you should have::: usb-Lexar_Media_1101315103919 -> ../../sdb |
| 22:05.29 | lbt | or similar in /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 22:05.44 | lu-bao | lbt but there is nothing like that :( |
| 22:05.49 | dimsuz | ok, let me rephrase (seems like you like editor wars): how long it usually takes for package to make its way to debian repositories after release? |
| 22:05.50 | Quintin | Aptitude when run in interactive mode always wants to remove crazy things. like my running kernel |
| 22:05.50 | lu-bao | but when i plug it in a folder opens |
| 22:06.13 | lbt | ls -l /dev/disk/by-* |
| 22:06.16 | lu-bao | lbt punish me so hardly -.- i didnt plug it in rofl |
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| 22:06.43 | lu-bao | i look at my table and there...my stick rofl |
| 22:06.44 | scx | is there some tool that checks for updates in the repos? |
| 22:06.55 | lbt | round stick? |
| 22:07.05 | scx | automatically I mean, like in Fedora or Suse |
| 22:07.07 | lbt | <grin> |
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| 22:07.33 | lu-bao | lbt "usb-TOSHIBA_TransMemory_(serial)" and "usb-TOSHIBA_TransMemory_(serial)-part1" :) |
| 22:07.51 | lbt | and if you look at /dev/disk/by-label/ |
| 22:07.57 | lbt | you see the partition names |
| 22:08.04 | lbt | which is nice |
| 22:08.19 | lu-bao | lol so nice this /dev/disk folder xD |
| 22:08.22 | lbt | these are all symlinks to the real device |
| 22:08.23 | lu-bao | in 3.1 i didnt found that :) |
| 22:08.29 | lbt | it's udev |
| 22:08.41 | lu-bao | lol by label is "USB_Stick" |
| 22:08.44 | lbt | (well, udev scripts) |
| 22:08.53 | lu-bao | i need naaame rofl like hdb or so |
| 22:09.00 | lu-bao | device name |
| 22:09.06 | lbt | use ls -l |
| 22:09.16 | scx | 'cause I'd like to make pat to, either, automatically install all the security updates available as soon as poblished or to notify me |
| 22:09.20 | lbt | but you shouldn't need the hdb |
| 22:09.31 | scx | err: pat=apt :p |
| 22:09.33 | lu-bao | lbt there isnt a name inside :( |
| 22:09.43 | lbt | ? |
| 22:09.46 | lu-bao | "only Toshiba USB_Stick" |
| 22:09.46 | lbt | use ls -l |
| 22:09.53 | lu-bao | but no drive name (i used it) |
| 22:09.58 | lbt | they are all symbolic links |
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| 22:10.22 | lu-bao | yes blue marked and i see read and write modes |
| 22:10.25 | lbt | (I think - they are on my Debian but it's a mixed system) |
| 22:10.35 | lu-bao | and that it is for user but i cant see device name itself |
| 22:10.59 | lu-bao | look my harddrive on notebook is (sda) cause its s-ata |
| 22:11.08 | lu-bao | so what is my usb stick how to find out |
| 22:11.09 | bpun | anyone knows if there's something elese like xara? |
| 22:11.10 | lbt | why do you think you need the /dev/hdb name? |
| 22:11.51 | lu-bao | lbt i need to know how this drive is marked my s-ata harddrive is sda but i dont know what my flash stick is cause i want to point to it through terminal to make a clean partition and format it through cfdisk |
| 22:12.06 | lbt | use /dev/disk/by-id/... |
| 22:12.20 | bpun | lu-bao, fdisk -l |
| 22:12.38 | lu-bao | fdisk not found lol |
| 22:12.39 | lbt | ls -l is LS -L in lowercase, not the digit 1 |
| 22:12.50 | bpun | lu-bao, apt-get install fdisk |
| 22:12.57 | karsten | lu-bao: /sbin/fdisk. |
| 22:12.59 | lbt | cfdisk is nicer :) |
| 22:13.03 | bpun | lu-bao, it'll list all harddrives, regardless if they're mounted |
| 22:13.03 | lu-bao | lbt i know that that you mean little L as like list in short |
| 22:13.18 | karsten | !installit |
| 22:13.18 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 22:13.35 | jelly-home | /sbin/blkid ftw |
| 22:13.36 | lbt | Ok - maybe debian 4 uses hardlinks for devices - that's a surprise... |
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| 22:14.03 | lu-bao | karsten thaaank you so much your solution helped me :D |
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| 22:14.16 | bpun | lbt, you talk too much, should you go out for a cup of coffee? |
| 22:14.22 | lu-bao | its /dev/sdb1 and W95 Fat16 (LBA) |
| 22:14.28 | lbt | waiting for a git update :) |
| 22:14.32 | bpun | lu-bao, there you go :) |
| 22:14.36 | blinx | h |
| 22:14.43 | lbt | done - l8r all |
| 22:14.46 | lu-bao | karsten did knew this command :) |
| 22:14.58 | jelly-home | lu-bao: I just use the label to mount my external storage. |
| 22:15.08 | bpun | lbt, yes and I suggest you um, sorta say thank you for giving you directions.. |
| 22:15.13 | lu-bao | but its hard to remember later i think that "/sbin/fdisk -l" hard to remember cause its a long command |
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| 22:15.36 | bpun | lu-bao, that if /sbin/ is not in PATH.. |
| 22:15.41 | lu-bao | lbt later :) |
| 22:15.55 | karsten | lu-bao: fdisk is generally run as root, which has /sbin and /usr/sbin on its path. Unpriviledged users generally don't. |
| 22:15.56 | lu-bao | bpun what do you mean? |
| 22:16.02 | lu-bao | ah lol |
| 22:16.06 | lu-bao | omg..... |
| 22:16.07 | karsten | !lol |
| 22:16.07 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:16.08 | bpun | lu-bao, fdisk -l should word as root (# prompt) |
| 22:16.19 | karsten | bpun: s/word/work/ |
| 22:16.36 | bpun | karsten, i'm not laughing at anyone man ;) |
| 22:16.37 | lu-bao | okay login as root and then fdisk -l does the job thx for hint :) |
| 22:16.42 | jelly-home | word, yo |
| 22:16.51 | jetx | or just supply the path |
| 22:17.08 | lu-bao | karsten okay all japanese are aol user then *laugh* |
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| 22:17.18 | bpun | lu-bao, what are you trying to do, wipe out the usb stick? |
| 22:17.31 | lu-bao | bpun fresh clean new partitioning and formatting |
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| 22:17.36 | karsten | lu-bao: NP. It's just sorta deprecated here. |
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| 22:18.09 | jetx | lol |
| 22:18.10 | lu-bao | karsten yeah its hard for me to be another than i am mostly i show my true soul with all the happiness inside |
| 22:18.18 | bpun | lu-bao, where do you use this key, in other machines such as macs? |
| 22:18.31 | lu-bao | bpun nope only linux and windows |
| 22:18.44 | lu-bao | for transferring and storing backup of files and installers |
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| 22:19.35 | bpun | lu-bao, there's a command to release the usb device, i believe it's safe to remove the device after unmounting it.. |
| 22:20.00 | lu-bao | bpun i still rightclick at desktop icon "USB STICK" named and then choose unmount :) |
| 22:20.02 | bpun | lu-bao, why not network the two machines instead? |
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| 22:20.32 | bpun | lu-bao, i mean if they're both local of course.. |
| 22:20.41 | lu-bao | bpun one is notebook one is tower |
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| 22:20.57 | bpun | lu-bao, both connected to the same subnet? |
| 22:21.09 | lu-bao | sure but for a laptop i dont prefer a network |
| 22:21.18 | lu-bao | cause i take it with me and so |
| 22:21.41 | bpun | lu-bao, so it has no nic i assume.. gee that's an old piece of junk .. |
| 22:21.46 | Quintin | upgrade almost done |
| 22:21.49 | Quintin | I hope ntohing breaks |
| 22:21.58 | lu-bao | and on a stick i cant loose data i everytime can get it back just plug stick in and install software |
| 22:21.58 | bpun | lu-bao, doubt it-- networking them is easier than thought.. |
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| 22:22.25 | lu-bao | bpun maybe yes but i dont need it so why building it *smile* |
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| 22:22.50 | bpun | lu-bao, build what? |
| 22:22.52 | dimsuz | guys, how to tell debian to bring up my eth0 at boot time? currently I must do "ifup eth0" manually... |
| 22:22.57 | bpun | lu-bao, network drivers? |
| 22:23.12 | lu-bao | bpun a network that works where both computers work together |
| 22:23.24 | rking1 | dimsuz: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:24.12 | bpun | lu-bao, so i reckon you only use one machine to the net at a time.. that sucks.. |
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| 22:24.12 | piztek | which video driver is better, the nv or the nvidia |
| 22:24.14 | dimsuz | rking1: some option there? oh, wait, i'll read man interfaces :) |
| 22:24.18 | lu-bao | bpun what is the problem with that ? |
| 22:24.42 | piztek | wols, you here? |
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| 22:24.52 | lu-bao | bpun i have both computers at net my tower with cable and my notebook through WEP 128bit closed wireless lan |
| 22:24.59 | bpun | dimsuz, update-rc.d networking.. a symlink should be SNum<scriptname> in /etc/rc2.d ( i think it's rc2.d) |
| 22:25.42 | bpun | lu-bao, so just install filezilla server on the windows, and turn on sftp on the ssh server |
| 22:25.50 | Ansel1 | hi, my gnome file manager shows windows ntfs drives as removables, i first thought that would be 'cause of non available ntfs drivers but it isnt. Internet gave no reel help for a newcomer ;-) |
| 22:25.55 | bpun | lu-bao, filezilla can access sftp from windows |
| 22:25.56 | concept10 | How do I keep my usb key from mounting read only? |
| 22:25.57 | rking1 | dimsuz: good job. =) |
| 22:26.12 | bpun | concept10, you mean for mounting read-only.. |
| 22:26.32 | lu-bao | bpun i dont need a network i only need files through flash stick when i make a fresh new install of an os or when i have case sensitive data for that i backup it on my stick otherwise i need no sharing so there is no reason to build a home network |
| 22:26.32 | bpun | concept10, "ro" in options field for fstab |
| 22:26.38 | dimsuz | bpun: I've found an anwer in man page: I need to specify it after "auto" keyword in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:26.48 | dimsuz | rking1: found an answer, thanks :) |
| 22:27.00 | bpun | lu-bao, case-sensitive or personal porn? |
| 22:27.11 | lu-bao | bpun please stop that.... |
| 22:27.21 | bpun | lu-bao, case-sensitive hehe.. misnomer.. |
| 22:27.26 | lu-bao | bpun i hate questions like that...! |
| 22:27.27 | dimsuz | rking1: good, that there are no flamewars in network interfaces field ;-) |
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| 22:27.43 | n3kl | Is there a repo for cedega? |
| 22:27.45 | Quintin | How do I get the default conf file for a package? |
| 22:27.48 | jakub_ | hi |
| 22:27.51 | jakub_ | i need something to icq :-) |
| 22:27.55 | concept10 | bpun, the thing is that USB sticks shouldnt be listed in fstab |
| 22:27.56 | Ansel1 | gaim ^^ |
| 22:27.57 | lu-bao | bpun if you want to know i talk about passwords and keys for my software and .deb packages and so on |
| 22:27.58 | jakub_ | i want to setup it on server - i will be always online |
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| 22:28.13 | jakub_ | and i have client whitch connect to my server as me :-) |
| 22:28.16 | bpun | concept10, i know, there's another way with some policy files.. which i'm dumb at.. |
| 22:28.22 | Ansel1 | @jakup_: gaim should do right |
| 22:28.24 | jakub_ | does anythink like this exist ? |
| 22:28.28 | dimsuz | jakub_: gaim (=pidgin), kopete, licq, ... lots of stuff :) |
| 22:28.32 | jakub_ | nooo |
| 22:28.36 | jakub_ | i need to have remote client on server |
| 22:28.41 | jakub_ | on my serveR :-) |
| 22:28.44 | piztek | can anyone help me configure the nvidia driver? |
| 22:28.44 | bpun | lu-bao, if you want to encrypt with a software avail (gpl) to both platforms, there's truecrypt.. |
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| 22:28.52 | dimsuz | jakub_: google for iserverd |
| 22:28.54 | jakub_ | i will be allways online |
| 22:29.00 | concept10 | bpun, but I see it listed in the /etc/mtab as ro... can I change mtab myself? |
| 22:29.08 | jakub_ | and i have remove client i need to support on windows on linux too |
| 22:29.21 | bpun | concept10, arggh.. man mtab.. did i say to touch mtab? |
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| 22:29.32 | dimsuz | jakub_: jabber is not an option? :) |
| 22:29.37 | lu-bao | bpun i need no encryption its still stored on stick and since a stick isnt connected with internet *grin* theres no reason to do so hehe :) i have the stick with me |
| 22:29.43 | concept10 | bpun, im just looking for options |
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| 22:29.59 | jakub_ | jabber ? |
| 22:30.01 | jakub_ | thx |
| 22:30.03 | bpun | concept10, read the options in the manpage for fstab |
| 22:30.05 | dimsuz | piztek: what type of configuration you suppose to do? |
| 22:30.10 | jdavis | if I have multiple modules with the same name in my /lib directory, how do I tell modprobe to find a certain one? |
| 22:30.12 | jelly-home | concept10: pmount? |
| 22:30.20 | jakub_ | whats best jabber client |
| 22:30.21 | jakub_ | for linux |
| 22:30.21 | lu-bao | concept10 oh my flash stick isnt mounted in fstab |
| 22:30.37 | dimsuz | jakub_: jabber is not an icq, but it's an open source IM solution |
| 22:30.53 | bpun | concept10, i'm not recommending fstab, but i believe there's a better way.. |
| 22:30.55 | jakub_ | yes |
| 22:30.59 | jakub_ | i think |
| 22:31.05 | jakub_ | but how to do it ? |
| 22:31.09 | dfa001 | n3kl: cedega is a commercial product you have to pay for |
| 22:31.14 | jakub_ | i want to be always online, what i must install on my debian server ? |
| 22:31.15 | lu-bao | normally debian4.0 should automount a flash stick when you plug it in |
| 22:31.16 | piztek | dimsuz, i've had the nvidia driver working before, but i installed and configured lilo, and now when i startx it says screens not found, so i had to revert back to the nv driver |
| 22:31.18 | dimsuz | jakub_: go to www.jabber.org and rtfm ;) |
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| 22:31.33 | n3kl | dfa001: hmm, that must have changed recently? |
| 22:31.40 | dfa001 | nope, always been that way |
| 22:31.42 | piztek | the last step i was on was modprobing |
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| 22:32.07 | dfa001 | n3kl: they have portions of it open-sourced though |
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| 22:32.17 | dfa001 | because they have too since they are using the wine core |
| 22:32.40 | dimsuz | piztek: in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx directory there's README file with a troubleshooting FAQ, try to read it I think you'll find an answer there |
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| 22:32.59 | piztek | gah i need wols |
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| 22:33.27 | dimsuz | piztek: and check if module loads ok |
| 22:33.31 | subes | when booting, normally depmod -a + some modprobes is run by the initramfs, but what is run before initramfs that could summon a modprobe? |
| 22:33.49 | n3kl | dfa001: have you used it? Is it worth the money as opposed to free wine? I have been trouble getting steam to work correctly |
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| 22:33.59 | subes | because this modprobe -> before initramfs <- causes some errors |
| 22:34.03 | dimsuz | piztek: try to run "modprobe nvidia" |
| 22:34.16 | subes | anyone have a idea? |
| 22:34.17 | concept10 | bpun, im stupid, the key had a stupid concept10 proof write protect switch |
| 22:34.28 | dfa001 | n3kl: i use it, and it works great for most things, plus they have their own repackaged version of the steam installer you can download when you get your cedega subscription |
| 22:34.53 | piztek | FATAL: Module nvidia not found. |
| 22:34.57 | piztek | is my error |
| 22:35.09 | dfa001 | piztek: did you recently upgrade your linux kernel? |
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| 22:35.27 | dfa001 | piztek: m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 22:35.51 | Ansel1 | yay guys, i leave |
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| 22:35.55 | n3kl | dfa001: have you used it on debian? With halflife 2? |
| 22:36.03 | dfa001 | n3kl: yes |
| 22:36.11 | dfa001 | n3kl: on debian Sid |
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| 22:36.25 | n3kl | dfa001: hmm, thanks for the. I am running etch, so we will see... |
| 22:36.35 | dfa001 | n3kl: it works fine under etch also |
| 22:36.50 | n3kl | dfa001: thanks |
| 22:36.54 | dfa001 | had problems under sarge though due to some weird python stuff |
| 22:37.17 | dfa001 | np |
| 22:37.30 | izzyb | bpun, nobody answered my question on #apache, but I've done some more reading. sounds like every precaution was taken with the development of the suexec feature, The biggest risk as far as I can tell is an attacker gaining access via an suexec script now has full access to anything the user owns. is there anything more to it then that? |
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| 22:38.26 | rcc | is there anyway to bypass a bios failing to see the full size of a hard drive? |
| 22:38.33 | piztek | dfa001, no i switched to lilo |
| 22:38.46 | rcc | have a 250GB drive, i'm hitting the 128GiB limit |
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| 22:39.19 | piztek | dfa001, what is m-a a-i nvidia doing? |
| 22:39.49 | piztek | n3kl, i play hl2 on wine on debian |
| 22:40.10 | scx | rcc: the jumpers can change that |
| 22:40.10 | phogg | piztek: downloading, compiling, making a .deb for, installing and loading the nvidia kernel module |
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| 22:40.30 | scx | rcc: Chech the hd's instructions in the label |
| 22:40.45 | piztek | i dont need to do that though |
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| 22:40.59 | piztek | i just need to figure out why the nvidia driver is acting up |
| 22:41.02 | piztek | kernel, whatever |
| 22:41.10 | n3kl | piztek: how does it work? Nicely? How about other games? |
| 22:41.26 | n3kl | piztek: oh, wine... I can't get it to look right |
| 22:41.35 | piztek | it works good, i had some mouse problems with the mouse leaving the screen |
| 22:41.37 | rcc | scx: It's not jumpered |
| 22:41.42 | piztek | it's the only game i play on wine |
| 22:41.43 | piztek | css |
| 22:41.54 | lu-bao | n3kl on wine steam client runs without problems and halflife2 or halflife1 games work also :) |
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| 22:42.01 | piztek | what do you mean get it to look right? |
| 22:42.59 | piztek | so how do i modprobe nvidia if there is a fatal error? |
| 22:42.59 | rcc | oh |
| 22:42.59 | rcc | so |
| 22:42.59 | scx | rcc: The OS also see only 128? |
| 22:43.03 | rcc | scx: yeah |
| 22:43.19 | scx | double check the jumpers :d |
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| 22:43.39 | n3kl | lu-bao: any idea why after adding the repo from the winehq site and installing wine, then doing wine msiexec /i Steam.msi on a freshly downloaded steam file, installs correctly, but when the client is run there is nothing "painted" in the window itself? It seem to respond correctly and everything, but buttons, text, etc are just blank |
| 22:44.17 | lu-bao | n3kl you mean you see buttons with text in it but no advertisement on first steam client page ? |
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| 22:44.41 | lisapc | hello |
| 22:44.49 | lu-bao | n3kl aaah no i see |
| 22:44.49 | scx | rcc: 'cause appart from that there is no other reason I imagine, besides you can not force the hd size in BIOS anyways |
| 22:44.55 | PumpkinPie | how long can pastebin.com throw an error? are they retards its been a year |
| 22:45.07 | n3kl | lu-bao: no, like, the window is there, but all that is window decorations, colors and buttons |
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| 22:45.07 | PumpkinPie | I cant submit my text |
| 22:45.20 | lu-bao | n3kl you have to download tahoma.tff its a truetype font from windows and put that inside /home/yourusername/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts |
| 22:45.24 | lu-bao | then you have text :D |
| 22:45.31 | n3kl | lu-bao: I have also tried building the source |
| 22:45.38 | lu-bao | since steam uses tahoma.tff font you dont have text without that font |
| 22:45.46 | n3kl | lu-bao: ? |
| 22:45.51 | n3kl | hmm |
| 22:46.03 | lu-bao | its no problem with steam but you need tahoma.tff its a truetype font copy it from internet there are many places where you can get it |
| 22:46.21 | lu-bao | wine runs fine no need to make by source it runs well you need that font file to have text |
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| 22:46.56 | n3kl | googleing for fonts... |
| 22:47.10 | scx | n3kl: do you have a Windows at hand? |
| 22:47.13 | lu-bao | n3kl search in internet and download tahoma.tff then copy it to /home/yourusername/.wine/drive_c/windows/fonts then you have text in steam cause steam finds that font |
| 22:47.42 | n3kl | scx: no easily accessable |
| 22:47.55 | lu-bao | n3kl do you want tahoma.ttf ? i can give :) |
| 22:47.57 | n3kl | lu-bao: roght, cool, thanks |
| 22:48.05 | lu-bao | i have all fonts on my stick xD |
| 22:48.06 | scx | n3kl: ok |
| 22:48.10 | n3kl | lu-bao: sure |
| 22:48.16 | lu-bao | can send through email or irc :) |
| 22:48.51 | n3kl | lu-bao: pm? |
| 22:49.07 | lu-bao | mh wait |
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| 22:49.45 | lu-bao | give me your email adress in private |
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| 22:50.08 | donny | i'd like to access java from mozilla-based browsers... does anyone know what i have to do? |
| 22:50.57 | scx | donny: 1) install Java 2) Check Firefox has the right path to the java binary |
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| 22:52.07 | donny | scx: which java package? i have sable and kaffe installed. |
| 22:52.24 | PumpkinPie | fight the oppression http://pastebin.ca/531725 |
| 22:52.28 | piztek | what icon sets do you all use? |
| 22:52.38 | bpun | izzyb, y, you should of asked what you wanted.. it seems that there are projects that already do things like telling about system things-- webmin? |
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| 22:54.00 | jdavis | is there a reason that modprobe would be able to load a module but insmod can't? I get a segfault with insmod. |
| 22:54.39 | bpun | jdavis, insmod is not to be used, and is used for older scripts.. modprobe is the successor.. |
| 22:55.00 | scx | donny: http://www.kaffe.org/pipermail/kaffe/2006-May/104395.html |
| 22:55.16 | bpun | !tell jdavis about insmod |
| 22:55.18 | jdavis | bpun: the problem is that I want to use modules newer than the kvm.ko that comes with the packaged kernel |
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| 22:55.38 | izzyb | bpun, I don't get what you mean? You imply there are security concerns with suexec, I'm concerned about security so would like to know what the concerns are. what does webmin have to do with it? |
| 22:55.48 | lu-bao | i helped one yay XD |
| 22:55.49 | jdavis | bpun: because the packaged kvm userspace tool doesn't work with the packaged kernel's kvm.ko |
| 22:55.53 | scx | donny: and dunno about Sable srry |
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| 22:56.15 | piztek | my machine is so butter now as long as it doesn't shut off with lilo |
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| 22:56.32 | jdavis | bpun: so I need to make the modules and then somehow use them, but modprobe keeps using the kvm.ko that came with the kernel and I don't know how to make it choose another one. |
| 22:56.33 | scx | donny: But if you don't mid the license you can use Sun's Java... It'll be Opensource soon anyway |
| 22:56.36 | bpun | jdavis, what package has kvm.ko? |
| 22:56.49 | onur | Hi. I add a domain and ip to /etc/hosts for local using. Like 127.0.0.1 xxx.com. Can i add wilcard domain to /etc/hosts? |
| 22:57.05 | donny | scx: hasn't "soon" been for quite a while now? |
| 22:57.08 | jdavis | bpun: kvm-modules-2.6.21-1-amd64 |
| 22:57.19 | bpun | jdavis, what happens with modprobe kvm? |
| 22:57.21 | scx | donny: :) |
| 22:57.39 | scx | donny: Like the apocalipsis |
| 22:57.45 | jdavis | bpun: it loads the one in drivers/kvm/ and then the kvm userspace util says "kernel too old" |
| 22:57.45 | donny | scx: heh |
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| 22:57.52 | piztek | :D |
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| 22:58.13 | piztek | where can i buy ibm keys |
| 22:58.13 | jdavis | bpun: I think the one installed by kvm-modules-2.6.21-1-amd64 is new enough, but it puts the modules in lib/modules/.../misc/ |
| 22:58.18 | bpun | jdavis, so what is the minimum requirement for the kvm userspace tool? (/usr/share/doc ?) |
| 22:58.46 | scx | piztek: There's a keymaker in rondale st. maybe he keeps copies of the keys |
| 22:58.47 | donny | scx: is that remark in the email you linked me to about firefox also being available under the GPL true? |
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| 22:58.56 | frankr | Hey I have two processes running which are taking up all of my CPU and I can't seem to kill them. I've run killall on them a bunch of times, and kill [pid] but they just refuse to go away. is there any other way I could get rid of them other then restarting |
| 22:58.57 | jdavis | bpun: it basically needs to match the version of the kernel module. They're developed together. |
| 22:59.06 | bpun | jdavis, ? |
| 22:59.20 | tiiiam | frankr: kill -9? |
| 22:59.27 | bpun | jdavis, how so? did you compile the kvm usertool? |
| 22:59.35 | jdavis | bpun: the problem is that debian packages the userspace kvm util that's too new and won't work with any of the packaged kernels. |
| 22:59.41 | jdavis | bpun: no, it's a package |
| 22:59.50 | bpun | jdavis, and they're both in etc? |
| 22:59.51 | onur | Can i add a wilcard hostname to /etc/hosts? |
| 22:59.55 | bpun | jdavis, /etc/etch |
| 23:00.00 | scx | donny: Firefox IS opensource, just the logo and name are not free |
| 23:00.14 | frankr | tiiiam, ahh that worked quite nicely, kthx |
| 23:00.23 | frankr | also does anyone know the latest kernel supported by the fglrx driver? |
| 23:00.24 | jdavis | bpun: is what in /etc? (I'm using unstable, btw) |
| 23:00.26 | lu-bao | okay brb now i'll enjoy my new dvd :) |
| 23:00.34 | scx | donny: That's why there's iceweasel |
| 23:00.34 | donny | scx: well then i assume there is no distribution of firefox with that name and logo available under the GPL, correct? |
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| 23:00.46 | bpun | jdavis, okkayyyyy, you're using unstable.. use reportbug to send the guys the issue.. |
| 23:01.00 | scx | donny: Actually as far as I know only Debian has did that |
| 23:01.02 | jdavis | bpun: ok, thanks. |
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| 23:01.18 | donny | scx: did "that?" you mean iceweasel? |
| 23:01.22 | jdavis | bpun: sorry for not mentioning that, I don't think etch has any kvm-enabled kernel |
| 23:01.33 | bpun | jdavis, first read up if others reported it.. it'll make it easier for the maintainers.. |
| 23:01.40 | jdavis | bpun: will do |
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| 23:01.50 | donny | ugh, i need a break from this machine... thanks for the help scx |
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| 23:02.53 | twobitsprite | where does aspell keep it's dictionary of words? |
| 23:03.01 | Talaturen | Hello, I'm trying to run a game but I get error.. how can I solve it? The error is: |
| 23:03.03 | Talaturen | X Error of failed request: GLXUnsupportedPrivateRequest |
| 23:03.06 | Talaturen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.10 | Talaturen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.12 | Talaturen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.14 | Talaturen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.21 | frankr | Talaturen, please use a pastebin |
| 23:03.27 | Talaturen | that was all |
| 23:03.29 | bpun | pastebin.ca |
| 23:03.37 | frankr | Talaturen, pastebin.ca pastey.net or something like that |
| 23:03.44 | Talaturen | I've already pasted it here u.u |
| 23:03.44 | bpun | thanks to us canadians (well at least me :) |
| 23:03.46 | scx | or #floo |
| 23:03.48 | scx | d |
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| 23:04.12 | frankr | ooh latin |
| 23:04.13 | bpun | scx, i never met a woman who's ascetic :o |
| 23:04.52 | EnsignRedshirt | My computer rebooted a few hours ago, and after booting, the time was off by one hour. When I try to fix it with the "Time and Date Settings" window that comes up when I right-click the clock and select "Adjust Date and Time", it displayed time is four hours later than the time that I entered in the window. |
| 23:05.10 | EnsignRedshirt | s/it displayed/the displayed/ |
| 23:05.22 | frankr | EnsignRedshirt, use the date program |
| 23:06.17 | bpun | EnsignRedshirt, maybe your're computer doesn't like your new girlfriend :) |
| 23:06.45 | rcc | oops |
| 23:06.50 | Talaturen | ok my friends.. here is error: http://pastebin.se/18679 |
| 23:06.51 | EnsignRedshirt | rcc: Arghhh, not again... :( |
| 23:07.11 | rcc | EnsignRedshirt: quite talking, you're dead |
| 23:07.15 | rcc | quite |
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| 23:07.17 | rcc | quit |
| 23:07.19 | rcc | damnit |
| 23:07.24 | rcc | stupid fingers |
| 23:07.26 | EnsignRedshirt | Not quit dead |
| 23:07.27 | jonny__ | 0.0 |
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| 23:07.59 | Talaturen | bpun, see i give you link pastebin of error what can you help me??? nothing!! you are only complain my errors! |
| 23:08.20 | jonny__ | kkkkkkkkk |
| 23:08.29 | EnsignRedshirt | I think my clock problem has something to do with UTC vs. EDT. |
| 23:08.50 | frankr | Talaturen, yelling at people will definitely make them want to help you. |
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| 23:09.07 | vy | Hi, all! Can anybody help me to figure out why I cannot mount (or fdisk) a USB storage device connected to PC? Here's the related dmesg output: http://rafb.net/p/L0kwce44.html fdisk complains that unable to open /dev/sda. |
| 23:09.12 | Talaturen | frankr, ok sory master |
| 23:09.39 | krifur | somebody can tell me the right syntax todo this in a script if [ -e $rep/`basename $fichier`], i ve got an error: [: missing `]' |
| 23:09.49 | bpun | Talaturen, that's because i don't have a decent answer for an indecent question |
| 23:10.02 | jonny__ | Talaturen, i have that same problem |
| 23:10.03 | jonny__ | ;'( |
| 23:10.05 | vy | krifur: You'll need a space just before ]. |
| 23:10.15 | krifur | vy: ty i going to try |
| 23:10.24 | bpun | Talaturen, i don't make the rules, it's right on the chan description.. don't be rude here |
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| 23:10.45 | krifur | vy: works, thx you ! |
| 23:10.46 | Talaturen | jonny__, stop lie.. problem is your |
| 23:10.50 | jonny__ | I Was wandering if anyone can help me with the same thing as talaturen please, http://pastebin.se/18679 <--- for error info |
| 23:10.53 | EnsignRedshirt | What did I do? Why are both the clock in gnome and the date command showing UTC (I think)? |
| 23:11.22 | jonny__ | Talaturen, are you james from MSN? |
| 23:11.28 | EnsignRedshirt | Ugh, I forgot I'm in #debian.. the obvious answer to "What did I do?" is "How are we supposed to know?" |
| 23:11.42 | Talaturen | jonny__, yes you tel me i go here and ask why you have eror, now you can ask not need i.. |
| 23:11.44 | Talaturen | thnx |
| 23:11.53 | bpun | not sure, maybe you two should check about settting a mask for DRI setting in xorg.conf.. |
| 23:12.15 | jonny__ | ok Sorry James, but can anyone help me with my error ;'( ------> http://pastebin.se/18679 |
| 23:12.21 | jonny__ | its when i load a game |
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| 23:13.36 | jonny__ | No one is able to help me right now? |
| 23:13.48 | bpun | vy, use fdisk -l |
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| 23:14.10 | King_Brad | i seem to be having a slight issue with multipul PID's, when i load a process (ShoutCast) i type ./sc_serv config1.conf & and when i do a ps -aux | grep sc_ it shows me that the process has been started 5 times... any idea why this happens and how to fix it? |
| 23:14.26 | bpun | jonny__, possibly, i did say something.. i don't know much about that.. |
| 23:14.35 | jonny__ | oh ok |
| 23:14.59 | vy | bpun: It exists neither in /proc/partitions, nor in fdisk -l. |
| 23:15.12 | jonny__ | Anyone else here got any views on my error?http://pastebin.se/18679 |
| 23:15.25 | vy | bpun: But if it'd help, I can supply some /proc/bus/usb file contents. |
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| 23:16.11 | bpun | jonny__, seems it doesn't hurt to check if you have DRI set in the xorg.conf, then give it a go again.. |
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| 23:16.58 | bpun | King_Brad, isn't that normal? |
| 23:17.07 | King_Brad | umm, no? |
| 23:17.18 | King_Brad | its only supposed to have 1 pid, not 5 for the same process |
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| 23:17.41 | bpun | King_Brad, why not 5? |
| 23:17.58 | King_Brad | why would you start the same process, with the same config file, 5 times? |
| 23:18.00 | Eulex | King_Brad, the application fork()ed itself? |
| 23:18.02 | King_Brad | what sence does that make? |
| 23:18.19 | bpun | King_Brad, apache does something like that.. |
| 23:18.22 | King_Brad | besides having port conflits... it makes no sence... |
| 23:18.32 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 23:18.41 | King_Brad | well, it only happens on this new box... my prevouis debian box, running the same release doesnt do it |
| 23:18.43 | frankr | Uhh this may sound like a dumb question but whenever I hold down keys they don't repeat, like if I hold down backspace for 10 seconds it only deletes one character, and its really starting to annoy. |
| 23:18.46 | King_Brad | just the newly setup box |
| 23:19.10 | frankr | I'm not really sure where this kinda thing is configured |
| 23:19.18 | bpun | King_Brad, well obviously there's something different, maybe you should see if the script is made doing this for a purpose.. |
| 23:20.02 | King_Brad | bpun, nothing has been changed... its the same program, same version, same everything except hardware and this server has a few extra programs... |
| 23:20.18 | bpun | frankr, may be that your keyboard repeat feature is affected by your desktop preferences |
| 23:20.35 | \amethyst | King_Brad: same version of ps? |
| 23:20.43 | King_Brad | should be |
| 23:20.55 | King_Brad | both servers are running debian sarge... |
| 23:21.00 | bpun | King_Brad, where are you typing the command? |
| 23:21.09 | King_Brad | in an SSH shell |
| 23:22.16 | bpun | King_Brad, are you allowed to do that? you're trying to open new channels.. check with your ssh server settings if you're allowed to open ports.. |
| 23:22.18 | \amethyst | King_Brad: and the config is exactly the same as on the other machine? |
| 23:22.48 | EnsignRedshirt | OK, I think my hardware clock is correctly set to UTC. Now how to tell my computer my correct local time? |
| 23:23.05 | King_Brad | \amethyst, the debian install should be very close to the same with the exception that this box has DirectAdmin installed, the shoutcast setup is exactly the same... |
| 23:23.43 | bpun | King_Brad, well you seem too advanced.. it does have nothing to do with ssh-- quite an assumption therefore.. |
| 23:24.12 | King_Brad | bpun, i dont see how starting a shoutcast server would have anything todo with the SSH shell... |
| 23:24.28 | King_Brad | i'd be willing to say any program i start will do it tho... |
| 23:24.29 | bpun | King_Brad, ok, i'm not helping you |
| 23:24.35 | King_Brad | if i start it via commandline.. |
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| 23:25.14 | King_Brad | okay... |
| 23:25.23 | bpun | though i know how to fix it |
| 23:25.27 | bpun | i won't help him :) |
| 23:25.32 | King_Brad | please share? |
| 23:25.36 | bpun | King_Brad, rtfm! |
| 23:25.41 | bpun | !spank King_Brad |
| 23:25.47 | King_Brad | ..... |
| 23:25.52 | \amethyst | bpun: Which manual? |
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| 23:27.38 | frankr | How can I use mutt with an external SMTP server? |
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| 23:28.28 | Ankman | frankr: i guess there is a program for that, but why not use a local smtp? |
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| 23:29.37 | frankr | Ankman, a lot of sites block regular IP addresses from SMTP, or at least put them in spambox |
| 23:29.50 | frankr | rather they don't accept mail from consumer IPs |
| 23:29.55 | infidel | is it possible to to my current ubuntu desktop into debian without reinstalling everything? |
| 23:30.10 | frankr | I tried it once when I had DSL but that might've jsut been b/c it had a dynamic IP |
| 23:30.11 | frankr | infidel, no |
| 23:30.14 | Guerin | infidel: yes. /msg dpkg chroot |
| 23:30.25 | Guerin | infidel: yes. /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 23:30.26 | \amethyst | frankr: so you set up a local MTA which forwards the mail through your ISP's SMTP server |
| 23:30.27 | Guerin | better |
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| 23:30.37 | EnsignRedshirt | Somehow my computer seems to have forgotten my timezone. The gnome clock, and the date command both show UTC. How can I fix this? |
| 23:30.42 | frankr | Guerin, you can do that? wow, I didn't even know that haha |
| 23:30.46 | Guerin | EnsignRedshirt: tzconfig |
| 23:30.56 | jonny__ | Hey, I got a problem when running a game on my laptop, the error is here, http://pastebin.se/18679 , any help please? |
| 23:30.57 | infidel | Guerin, thanks |
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| 23:31.09 | frankr | \amethyst, what MTA can I use to do that? I think the default one is exim4, right? |
| 23:31.23 | frankr | I have basically no experience with unix MTAs so I'm gonna need some help |
| 23:31.32 | bpun | Guerin, isn't there a dpkg-reconfigure for time? |
| 23:31.41 | \amethyst | frankr: you can use exim4 for that... dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and tell it you want the "smarthost" configuration |
| 23:31.57 | \amethyst | frankr: the smarthost will be the upstream SMTP server |
| 23:32.07 | bpun | frankr, if you send me a paypal $$, i'd be glad to help :) |
| 23:32.18 | EnsignRedshirt | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 23:32.39 | dawn_chorus | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Beryl?highlight=%28beryl%29 <-- so no beryl for debian nvidia users? |
| 23:32.51 | Guerin | bpun: probably |
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| 23:33.15 | Guerin | dawn_chorus: neither beryl nor nvidia are debian software, so HTFSWK? |
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| 23:33.35 | dawn_chorus | i'm asking about what the wiki means. thanks. |
| 23:34.14 | dawn_chorus | so PKOLT2FM |
| 23:34.21 | stoned | Guerin: oh man.. what is htfskwk |
| 23:34.23 | stoned | blah |
| 23:34.30 | Guerin | !htfswk stoned |
| 23:34.30 | dpkg | stoned: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 23:34.32 | stoned | way too may of these things to remember |
| 23:34.35 | stoned | ahh word |
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| 23:34.50 | Guerin | !pkolt2fm |
| 23:34.52 | stoned | I thought Iw as on freenode but i was on oftc and some dipshits there didn't like me swearing |
| 23:34.55 | Guerin | that one is new to me |
| 23:34.59 | stoned | i got silence lol |
| 23:35.03 | stoned | its useful |
| 23:35.12 | stoned | better than typing the whole thing over and over for some people |
| 23:35.16 | bpun | dawn_chorus, that was last edited two months ago.. things may be different .. |
| 23:35.20 | stoned | gotta love them factoids man |
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| 23:35.30 | jonny__ | Hey, I got a problem when running a game on my laptop, the error is here, http://pastebin.se/18679 , any help please? |
| 23:35.52 | fasta | How can I search for "-cpp -pgmPcpp -optP-std=c89 -optP-C" recursively in all files and replace those occurences with the empty string? |
| 23:35.58 | dawn_chorus | nerd |
| 23:36.13 | Guerin | frankr: rgrep |sed |
| 23:36.13 | bpun | dawn_chorus, I think you should leave |
| 23:36.36 | stoned | jonny__: Tibia eh.. that game really sucks dude |
| 23:36.43 | stoned | jonny__: you've played it before? |
| 23:36.45 | dawn_chorus | i'm cursed at and i'm the one who should leave? |
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| 23:36.58 | stoned | dawn_chorus: whats the problem? |
| 23:37.07 | bpun | dawn_chorus, yes, you should bother to know certain things and don't ask dumb questions |
| 23:37.09 | jonny__ | stoned: Yeah on my computer |
| 23:37.16 | Guerin | dawn_chorus: don't be sore, you asked a stupid question and got a stupid answer |
| 23:37.17 | jonny__ | this is my first time on my laptop |
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| 23:37.21 | dawn_chorus | stoned, i was only asking what the wiki meant. i wasn't sure. |
| 23:37.25 | jonny__ | also this is my first time on linux(debian) |
| 23:37.28 | izzyb_ | bpud, do you actually help people here or just insult them? |
| 23:37.38 | stoned | shit i gotta go pickup my niece, brb |
| 23:37.43 | bpun | Guerin, hehe.. I have it when people don't know the difference between nvidia and nv.. it's pretty frustrating.. |
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| 23:38.32 | King_Brad | bpun i dont think you know shit, so far i've sat here and watched you insult 3 people.... why do you even bother being here? seems to me your worthless |
| 23:38.44 | Guerin | !your |
| 23:38.44 | dpkg | from memory, your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
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| 23:39.27 | bpun | King_Brad, I don't need to know anything for you. You hate us for your non-debian problems. Go fish with the fedora penguins |
| 23:40.03 | King_Brad | bpun, i love debian... you on the other hand... |
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| 23:40.40 | izzyb_ | bpun, I don't think your helping anyone or anything. insulting new users for their lack of knowledge doesn't help them or the image of linux or debian |
| 23:40.40 | bpun | King_Brad, well don't use it, you don't deserve it-- especially when you know more than me |
| 23:40.56 | karsten | bpun: If you don't want to help someone, then don't help them, and do something else. |
| 23:41.02 | izzyb_ | bpud, who are you? do you speak for debian? |
| 23:41.02 | karsten | King_Brad: Drop it. |
| 23:41.12 | izzyb_ | is there anyone in here with ops to send this guy on his way? |
| 23:41.17 | King_Brad | bpun your advice is to drop debian and go use some other linux distro? |
| 23:41.26 | karsten | izzyb_: /msg dpkg ops <msg for ops> if you feel it's necessary. |
| 23:41.27 | bpun | izzyb, well I think rtfm helps aton.. so um, yes we can't baby spoon everybody, and when you can't even read the factoid.. then you piss off not just me.. |
| 23:41.29 | stoned | why so much hostility |
| 23:41.33 | Guerin | can you lot stop whining like schoolgirls? |
| 23:41.34 | karsten | King_Brad: Drop it, second and last notice. |
| 23:41.38 | karsten | King_Brad: What's your question. |
| 23:41.45 | stoned | cut the crap ffs and get on with the supporting |
| 23:41.55 | mandingo | go go debian supporting! |
| 23:41.57 | tarzeau | stoned: weekend |
| 23:42.02 | karsten | !saturday |
| 23:42.02 | dpkg | from memory, saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 23:42.06 | bpun | Guerin, the problem is I think it's saturday in the summer heat ;) Some don't even realize dpkg is a factoid and ignore him hehe |
| 23:42.09 | tarzeau | Guerin: if they at least had miniskirts... |
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| 23:42.31 | karsten | bpun: Ignorance is solvable. Stupidity and intolerance aren't. |
| 23:42.36 | stoned | !ping |
| 23:42.36 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:42.45 | bpun | karsten, I'm not a factoid |
| 23:42.49 | jonny__ | hey Stoned |
| 23:42.56 | jonny__ | you mentioned ealier about my problem |
| 23:42.59 | jonny__ | do you know how to fix?=D |
| 23:43.00 | karsten | bpun: I've noticed. |
| 23:43.07 | King_Brad | karsten <King_Brad> i seem to be having a slight issue with multipul PID's, when i load a process (ShoutCast) i type ./sc_serv config1.conf & and when i do a ps -aux | grep sc_ it shows me that the process has been started 5 times... any idea why this happens and how to fix it? |
| 23:43.14 | bpun | karsten, well at least that's 1 with something between the ears.. |
| 23:43.19 | stoned | jonny__: you have glx loaded? |
| 23:43.20 | karsten | King_Brad: Is it a multithreaded ap? |
| 23:43.22 | rcc | can someone help me with anonftpsync? |
| 23:43.29 | karsten | !tell rcc about ask |
| 23:43.41 | jonny__ | Stoned: how do you mean by loaded? |
| 23:43.46 | stoned | jonny__: in xorg.conf |
| 23:43.47 | King_Brad | karsten i dont beleve it is... it doesnt do this on my other debian box.. |
| 23:43.57 | jonny__ | mhm |
| 23:43.59 | stoned | jonny__: I've never seen this type of error before, maybe you could google for it |
| 23:44.03 | jonny__ | i was never told to do that |
| 23:44.05 | jonny__ | but |
| 23:44.09 | jonny__ | someone mentioned it before |
| 23:44.09 | karsten | King_Brad: Same versions? If you've got pstree installed, do the processes have a common parent? |
| 23:44.26 | King_Brad | same version yes. not sure if pstree is installed |
| 23:44.43 | jonny__ | someone mentioned about xorfg.conf earlier in here |
| 23:44.45 | karsten | !installit |
| 23:44.45 | jelly-home | King_Brad: multithreaded apps show as multiple processes on older ps, and a single one on newer (newer ps hides threads) |
| 23:44.46 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 23:44.48 | cp1134 | hey guys. just did a fresh network install of debian and upon reboot when going into x my screen gets completely corrupted. the installer selected the nv driver which is correct. any ideas on what to try? |
| 23:44.48 | jonny__ | wasnt too sure what i edited |
| 23:45.02 | stoned | jonny__: it seems like glx is buggy |
| 23:45.20 | King_Brad | qsshdqqqsshdqqqbashqwqpstree |
| 23:45.20 | King_Brad | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.25 | stoned | jonny__: Tibia requires some sort of GL extension provided by some drivers but not others. |
| 23:45.33 | rcc | karsten: If I had a specific question I'd ask; I'd like someone to help me get it set up. |
| 23:45.35 | \amethyst | King_Brad: what's upp with all those qs? |
| 23:45.37 | mandingo | cp1134: what do the X error logs say? |
| 23:45.39 | jonny__ | k... |
| 23:45.39 | stoned | jonny__: Tibia sucks period. |
| 23:45.40 | King_Brad | spaces? |
| 23:45.44 | jelly-home | ps -fe |grep foo will also show PPID (3rd column) |
| 23:45.49 | jonny__ | Nah ;p |
| 23:45.52 | jonny__ | i use it for OpenTibia |
| 23:45.52 | infidel | Guerin, seems easier to just do a fresh install and just leave my /home unformatted |
| 23:45.54 | stoned | jonny__: daimonin is much better |
| 23:45.55 | cp1134 | mandingo: i didn't see any EE items soo.. |
| 23:45.57 | karsten | King_Brad: ps -e -o user,pid,ppid,state,pcpu,time,etime,rss,vsz,tty,cmd | awk '/shoutcast/' |
| 23:45.59 | King_Brad | karsten it seem the common "parent" is sshd |
| 23:46.00 | jonny__ | need to check server updates |
| 23:46.01 | karsten | King_Brad: ... pastebin that. |
| 23:46.08 | karsten | !tell King_Brad about paster |
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| 23:46.18 | rcc | I've downloaded it edited the config and run it, but the log file is just stuck on saying 'reciving file list' and there doesn't seem to be any network traffic. |
| 23:46.32 | karsten | King_Brad: What was this supposed to be? 16:45 < King_Brad> qsshdqqqsshdqqqbashqwqpstree |
| 23:47.14 | King_Brad | karsten i cant pastebin the output from pstree it comes out like qsshdqqqsshdqqqbashqwqpstree <--- that |
| 23:47.16 | karsten | rcc: Then tell us what you've done to set it up, what problems you're having, and/or whether they're client or server side. |
| 23:47.31 | infidel | Guerin, you still here? |
| 23:47.33 | karsten | King_Brad: rtfm pstree. There's an ascii output option. |
| 23:47.48 | stoned | jonny__: hey do you have glx loaded? like glxinfo|grep direct I am unsure wether tibia requires dri or not |
| 23:47.51 | cp1134 | mandingo: i do get a (WW) NV(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum |
| 23:47.54 | karsten | rcc: Check logs, for starters. tcpdump or wireshark may also be your friend. |
| 23:47.56 | stoned | jonny__: see if dri is enabled or not |
| 23:47.59 | mandingo | karsten: not like he's yet had time to "rtfm" :) |
| 23:48.05 | rcc | karsten: Checked the log and tcpdump |
| 23:48.13 | karsten | rcc: Pastebin |
| 23:48.14 | bpun | karsten, he won't rtfm no matter what -- he sees no connection with sshd and a user opening ports |
| 23:48.16 | rcc | ok |
| 23:48.22 | jelly-home | cp1134: i get that on my intel and it doesn't seem to matter |
| 23:48.26 | King_Brad | karsten http://paste.debian.net/29491 |
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| 23:48.49 | karsten | King_Brad: pstree -Alpu |
| 23:49.08 | mandingo | cp1134: ewwwwwwww! you sure that card works? Have you tried nvidia's drivers? They might have better error handling for whatever the nv driver is hitting |
| 23:49.10 | \amethyst | King_Brad: since they're on the same line, they're threads |
| 23:49.12 | Guerin | infidel: it could well be easier, yes. |
| 23:49.17 | jonny__ | Stoned: you see, i would do that but my friend who has been helping me through debian all day has gone afk...and i only installed debian today >.< |
| 23:49.28 | rcc | http://paste.debian.net/29492 < sat there for line an hour |
| 23:49.29 | King_Brad | karsten http://paste.debian.net/29493 |
| 23:49.36 | \amethyst | King_Brad: never mind, no curly brackets, so not threads |
| 23:49.45 | mandingo | jonny__: grep dri /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:49.45 | cp1134 | mandingo: the card works for sure. i just installed the latest debian of a slackware install that i'd had running for several years. i decided to make the switch to debian though |
| 23:49.47 | mandingo | see anything? |
| 23:49.48 | jonny__ | k |
| 23:49.55 | jonny__ | thanks Mandingo |
| 23:49.58 | cp1134 | s/of/over |
| 23:50.17 | cp1134 | if i boot into single user all is well |
| 23:50.19 | karsten | King_Brad: That's the full process list? What's the shoutcast process name? |
| 23:50.22 | \amethyst | King_Brad: is sc_serv a shell script or a binary? |
| 23:50.26 | jonny__ | Unknown-00-12-3f-19-05-d5:/home/jonny# grep dri /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:50.26 | jonny__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.27 | cp1134 | but if i startx from the console...bam. screen corruption |
| 23:50.28 | rcc | hmm |
| 23:50.28 | *** part/#debian Smooph (n=Smooph@p54a75376.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:50.32 | rcc | seems to be working this time |
| 23:50.34 | King_Brad | karsten sc_serv is the process im starting.. |
| 23:50.43 | karsten | King_Brad: Looks like a bunch of child processes, regardless. |
| 23:50.45 | rcc | stupid heisenbug |
| 23:50.46 | King_Brad | umm \amethyst i think its a binary.. |
| 23:50.46 | jelly-home | karsten: sc_srv down there, not detached from the parent bash. |
| 23:51.00 | karsten | King_Brad: 5489 and progeny. |
| 23:51.02 | \amethyst | King_Brad: you'll have to ask the people who wrote it |
| 23:51.14 | rcc | oh, there, it just freaking hung |
| 23:51.18 | King_Brad | progeny? |
| 23:51.28 | jelly-home | children. |
| 23:51.31 | karsten | King_Brad: I'd suspect it's the sc architecture, which is either different, or you're noticing it for the first time, or you've configured the server to do child helpers. |
| 23:51.32 | \amethyst | King_Brad: if you do the same pstree command on the other machine, only one shows up? |
| 23:51.40 | King_Brad | let me check \amethyst |
| 23:51.41 | karsten | King_Brad: child process == forked/execed from parent. |
| 23:51.43 | rcc | hmm |
| 23:51.49 | karsten | jelly-home: thanks |
| 23:51.53 | rcc | maybe this is just really slow? |
| 23:52.10 | frankr | \amethyst, I setup exim4 with the smarthost (no local mail) and the IP address of mail.optonline.net , it requires no SMTP authentication, and it doesn't seem to be working. |
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| 23:52.18 | karsten | rcc: You using passive or active mode? |
| 23:52.19 | infidel | Guerin, i hate to ask you this, is it worth the trade? |
| 23:52.27 | rcc | karsten: it's rsync.... |
| 23:52.31 | karsten | rcc: Sounds to me like there might be an auth timeout or similar going on. |
| 23:52.34 | karsten | rcc: What transport? |
| 23:52.47 | rcc | anonymous rsync |
| 23:52.53 | karsten | rcc: reverse DNS is typical for 300s timeouts. |
| 23:52.59 | \amethyst | frankr: anything in /var/log/exim4/rejectlog or mainlog? |
| 23:53.00 | Guerin | infidel: depends on your utility balance. How much do you value your time against having to do things really, really manually. |
| 23:53.09 | rcc | the program is for mirroring the debian archive |
| 23:53.12 | Guerin | s/./?/ |
| 23:53.16 | karsten | rcc: Run your daemon interactively w/ debug mode on and tee output. |
| 23:53.18 | King_Brad | karsten \amethyst http://paste.debian.net/29494 thats the output from the first server... |
| 23:53.19 | karsten | rcc: OK. |
| 23:53.22 | frankr | \amethyst, I think I figured it out actually, the smtp server seems to be rejecting the return address b/c its frankr@localhost.localdomain |
| 23:53.29 | frankr | I think that's fixed in the mutt config file |
| 23:53.33 | karsten | King_Brad: Is this a _problem_ or just something you're curious about? |
| 23:53.34 | rcc | karsten: I don't have access to the server. |
| 23:53.36 | rcc | er |
| 23:53.39 | infidel | Guerin, i miss doing things manually i learned more |
| 23:53.43 | King_Brad | karsten its a problem... |
| 23:53.43 | rcc | not that kind of accesss. |
| 23:53.54 | karsten | King_Brad: That 2nd one is definitely threaded. |
| 23:53.55 | Guerin | karsten: what happen to twiki.iwethey ? |
| 23:54.01 | karsten | Guerin: It died. |
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| 23:54.09 | karsten | Guerin: Server HD failure, twiki isn't restored yet. |
| 23:54.19 | Guerin | karsten: oh ;( |
| 23:54.22 | King_Brad | karsten the one i just posted? so basiucally the 2nd server is'nt threading correctly? |
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| 23:54.38 | rcc | it's really slow :/ |
| 23:54.57 | karsten | King_Brad: or ps isn't reporting threads. |
| 23:54.57 | \amethyst | King_Brad: what kernel version and ps versions do the two servers have? |
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| 23:55.03 | King_Brad | sec |
| 23:55.08 | karsten | King_Brad: Regardless: take this to the developers. It's not a Debian problem. |
| 23:55.36 | karsten | Guerin: I think the data are intact, just the twiki hasn't been restarted. I'm sorta not on speaking terms with the admin. |
| 23:55.45 | Guerin | oh |
| 23:55.52 | King_Brad | 2.6.18 and the new server has 2.4.27 |
| 23:55.54 | Guerin | one of those situations |
| 23:55.59 | \amethyst | King_Brad: that's the problem then |
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| 23:56.12 | King_Brad | needs a kernel upgrae |
| 23:56.14 | karsten | Guerin: Sort of an asshole-wangling situation. |
| 23:56.28 | tarzeau | ouch jackass is shit |
| 23:56.36 | frankr | .. \amethyst, what does this mean? reading message webmaster@russfrank.net@mail.russfrank.net:4 of 4 (1270 octets).fetchmail: SMTP error: 501 <Russell Frank@localhost>: "@" or "." expected after "Russell" |
| 23:56.36 | Guerin | karsten: wangle that asshole, bowy! |
| 23:56.40 | \amethyst | King_Brad: old kernels show threads as separate processes (ps will show thread id not thread group id) |
| 23:56.44 | frankr | it was fetching a mail why is it an smtp error :| |
| 23:56.47 | King_Brad | ahh |
| 23:56.54 | stoned | tarzeau: yes it is |
| 23:56.58 | King_Brad | so its not actually that its loading worng, its just being reported wrong.. |
| 23:56.59 | stoned | both |
| 23:56.59 | Guerin | frankr: read the mail rfc |
| 23:57.03 | jonny__ | back |
| 23:57.04 | rcc | hmm |
| 23:57.05 | \amethyst | King_Brad: yes |
| 23:57.06 | jonny__ | went to make a cup of yea |
| 23:57.08 | King_Brad | ahh |
| 23:57.09 | jonny__ | tea* |
| 23:57.09 | King_Brad | beautiful |
| 23:57.10 | jonny__ | :< |
| 23:57.13 | rcc | kernel.org is just serving up dialup speeds |
| 23:57.15 | rcc | weird |
| 23:57.18 | Guerin | frankr: 821 or 815 or something |
| 23:57.21 | King_Brad | okay, is there a tutorial on upgradeing my kernel that i can look at? |
| 23:57.25 | karsten | King_Brad: Note that the thread presentation situation doesn't quite explain why you've got so many more instances (as threads or not), but I still say it's not _out_ problem. |
| 23:57.28 | tarzeau | stoned: the big red rocket rocks on the lake |
| 23:57.29 | jonny__ | who was i talking to again? |
| 23:57.32 | Guerin | karsten: aptitude install newkernel |
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| 23:57.36 | Guerin | grr |
| 23:57.37 | stoned | ugh |
| 23:57.41 | Guerin | King_Brad: ↑ |
| 23:57.42 | rcc | can anyone confirm kernel.org being slow? |
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| 23:57.45 | stoned | tarzeau: sick |
| 23:57.55 | King_Brad | karsten i host shoustcast streams for online dj's thats why the 1st server has around 70 of the same processes running |
| 23:58.00 | karsten | !upgrade kernel |
| 23:58.01 | dpkg | somebody said upgrade kernel was to upgrade your kernel in etch or later, run "aptitude install linux-image-2.6-$ARCH" but replace $ARCH with one of {486,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific cpu, if you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <686> or <486> or <k7>, etc. DO NOT let it remove your currently running kenrel under any circumstances. If you are trying to upgrade your kernel in sarge ask me about <sarge upgrade kernel> |
| 23:58.08 | stoned | im eating man |
| 23:58.09 | King_Brad | ty karsten and ty \amethyst |
| 23:58.27 | karsten | King_Brad: Yeah, I figured it was a usage/load issue. |
| 23:58.27 | jonny__ | Unknown-00-12-3f-19-05-d5:/home/jonny# grep dri /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:58.27 | stoned | and yer talkin bout red rockets |
| 23:58.27 | jonny__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.27 | karsten | King_Brad: NP. |
| 23:58.28 | Guerin | stoned: what does man taste like? I've always wondered... |
| 23:58.29 | stoned | lol |
| 23:58.30 | tarzeau | stoned: they milked a horse, and drunk the shit |
| 23:58.31 | rcc | anyone know how big i386 is? |
| 23:58.35 | frankr | Guerin, RFC0821 |
| 23:58.39 | stoned | good god man |
| 23:58.43 | stoned | shush |
| 23:58.46 | Guerin | tarzeau: drank horse milk, or horse shit? |
| 23:58.52 | karsten | stoned: Happy eating. |
| 23:58.55 | tarzeau | Guerin: horse cum |
| 23:59.00 | stoned | ugh |
| 23:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 727] by debhelper |
| 23:59.04 | Guerin | frankr: yeah. Synopsis: email addresses can't contain spaces |
| 23:59.09 | Guerin | tarzeau: classy. |
| 23:59.14 | tarzeau | Guerin: one guy also ate horse shit... |
| 23:59.18 | tarzeau | Guerin: for like 200 USç |
| 23:59.18 | stoned | dude |
| 23:59.19 | stoned | ffs |
| 23:59.22 | stoned | ! |
| 23:59.22 | tarzeau | $ |
| 23:59.31 | quad3d | uhh |
| 23:59.51 | stoned | you know whats fucked up |
