| 00:00.00 | stoned | i used the word fucking on oftc twice and someone did ops on me |
| 00:00.05 | stoned | and they silenced |
| 00:00.08 | frankr | huh.. my email address doesn't actually contain a space |
| 00:00.10 | stoned | insanely hilarious |
| 00:00.32 | Guerin | frankr: the smtpd seems to think so |
| 00:00.39 | stoned | here you are talking about even more sickening shit |
| 00:00.42 | fasta | How do I tell rgrep to traverse all *.txt files, but also to traverse all the directories recursively? |
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| 00:00.53 | karsten | fasta: man find |
| 00:00.55 | fasta | I can use find |
| 00:01.04 | dondelelcaro | fasta: find + xargs + grep |
| 00:01.04 | Guerin | yes you can |
| 00:01.04 | King_Brad | how can i get dpkg to tell me about sarge kernel upgrade ? |
| 00:01.14 | Guerin | King_Brad: why are you using sarge? |
| 00:01.15 | fasta | So, rgrep alone can't do it? |
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| 00:01.20 | dondelelcaro | fasta: no |
| 00:01.24 | frankr | Guerin, why does it show an smtp error when I run fetchmail? I can see that the problem is that space but I'm not sure which configuration the problem is in - probably exim4 conf |
| 00:01.25 | karsten | King_Brad: /msg dpkg <factoid>; /msg dpkg list *pattern*of*factoid*you*hope*to*find* |
| 00:01.27 | Guerin | frankr: not if you want to limit it to .txt |
| 00:01.28 | King_Brad | because thats what is offered as preinstall able from my datacenter |
| 00:01.43 | Guerin | frankr: i both hate and fear fetchmail |
| 00:01.49 | karsten | fasta: Simple tools, one job. Unix philosophy. |
| 00:01.49 | stoned | dondelelcaro: after a release, how long is oldstable officially supported, usually? |
| 00:01.52 | frankr | Guerin, for what reasons? |
| 00:02.00 | stoned | dondelelcaro: 12 or 18 months? |
| 00:02.11 | Guerin | King_Brad: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-$arch |
| 00:02.22 | Guerin | King_Brad: where $arch is proibably 686 |
| 00:02.23 | karsten | stoned: Typically. You can see the history on w.d.o somewhere. |
| 00:02.24 | King_Brad | what is the best kernel for an AMD Athlon XP ? |
| 00:02.31 | Guerin | King_Brad: k8 |
| 00:02.32 | karsten | King_Brad: The one that works ;-) |
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| 00:02.35 | King_Brad | okay thank you |
| 00:02.47 | dondelelcaro | stoned: depends, really. The stable security team makes the determination |
| 00:02.50 | fasta | I know this is not very hacker behaviour of me, but isn't there some GUI program that does search and replace in multiple files. I don't know "sed" by heart and now I just browsed the manual it strikes me as a way to create very unmaintainable code. |
| 00:02.53 | jelly-home | King_Brad, Guerin: uh, no, it's k7. |
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| 00:03.03 | stoned | i see |
| 00:03.12 | Guerin | Alana (1.4K) Be cool and join facebook |
| 00:03.20 | Guerin | surprisingly, that mail ↑ is not spam |
| 00:03.24 | King_Brad | k7 for an athlon XP ? |
| 00:03.32 | Guerin | oh, right |
| 00:03.33 | \amethyst | fasta: how about rgrep -r --include='*.txt' pattern . |
| 00:03.36 | Guerin | k8 is opteron |
| 00:03.38 | King_Brad | ah |
| 00:03.39 | Guerin | my bad |
| 00:03.39 | stoned | xp? |
| 00:03.45 | King_Brad | hehe that would have been bad move .. .lol |
| 00:03.48 | dondelelcaro | fasta: any non-programmatical user interface will be so underpowered, it's probably useless. |
| 00:03.49 | jelly-home | King_Brad: correct. k8 would be opteron, or Athlon 64 |
| 00:03.50 | \amethyst | fasta: err, you can leave off one of those rs |
| 00:03.53 | stoned | amd names cpus after OSs? |
| 00:04.04 | stoned | designed for windows xp? |
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| 00:04.07 | stoned | wtf? |
| 00:04.12 | King_Brad | stoned exactlyu |
| 00:04.14 | jelly-home | stoned: no |
| 00:04.19 | King_Brad | Amd Athlon XP is designed for windows XP |
| 00:04.54 | gimmebeer | I just ran into an apparent conflict between libc6 and gtk-qt-engine, which blocked the upgrade of libc6 until I removed gtk-qt-engine using dpkg. I'm running Debian/lenny. how do I report this bug ? |
| 00:05.03 | tarzeau | that's like you buy water that's designed to cook spaghetti |
| 00:05.12 | stoned | !reportbug |
| 00:05.12 | dpkg | hmm... reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
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| 00:05.40 | fasta | dondelelcaro: When I used Windows, years ago, there were editors that supported regular expressions and recursive directories. |
| 00:05.43 | King_Brad | what is the k6-smp package? kernel-image-2.6-k7-smp |
| 00:05.55 | jelly-home | gimmebeer: that might just be an effect of one package getting into testing, while the other is not there yet |
| 00:05.59 | Guerin | frankr: and there are editors which do that in unix |
| 00:06.01 | tarzeau | !smp |
| 00:06.01 | dpkg | from memory, smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or ... |
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| 00:06.10 | King_Brad | ahh |
| 00:06.16 | quha1 | hi, is there someone know if the "Ctrl + Alt + F*" works on xfce?? |
| 00:06.19 | King_Brad | for pc's with more then 1 cpu... |
| 00:06.23 | tarzeau | quha1: yes |
| 00:06.30 | fasta | Guerin: such as? |
| 00:06.33 | mike | or hyperthreading |
| 00:06.38 | King_Brad | ah cool |
| 00:06.46 | gimmebeer | jelly-home: in fact libc6 2.5 has been migrated in testing just two days ago. what should I do then ? |
| 00:06.49 | fasta | Guerin: I am not even sure how Emacs can do it. |
| 00:06.49 | stoned | hyperthreading is like a virtual smp |
| 00:06.51 | quha1 | tarzeau: but i try to use it , nothing happened |
| 00:06.52 | stoned | if you will |
| 00:06.53 | bpun | quha1, if it wasn't turned off either in xorg.conf |
| 00:06.53 | jelly-home | gimmebeer: wait. |
| 00:07.22 | tarzeau | bpun: it can be turned off? |
| 00:07.25 | Guerin | fasta: well ... a shell loop around sed is one. awk is another. vi or emacs can both use those transparently |
| 00:07.26 | bpun | quha1, xterm has same effect, basically, except you're in a box |
| 00:07.29 | stoned | should one require and smp kernel for a HT cpu? |
| 00:07.31 | tarzeau | quha1: maybe broken video drivers? |
| 00:07.31 | quha1 | i use startx to login xfce not *dm |
| 00:07.31 | gimmebeer | jelly-home: is it safe to remove gtk-qt-engine using dpkg ? |
| 00:07.33 | stoned | s/and/an |
| 00:07.40 | tarzeau | quha1: does chvt 1 work? |
| 00:07.42 | bpun | tarzeau, ? dunno about xfce, but in xorg.conf there's options.. |
| 00:07.44 | Guerin | stoned: if you want. It's not necessary. |
| 00:07.53 | tarzeau | bpun: what are the options called? |
| 00:07.58 | jelly-home | gimmebeer: no idea, I (think I) don't use it. |
| 00:08.02 | quha1 | it works on text console. |
| 00:08.04 | bpun | tarzeau, dunno by heart but they're there.. |
| 00:08.09 | infidel | Guerin, sorry to keep hounding you, do you mind answering one more question about debian, I have a amd64 do you recommend just sticking to the 32 bit version? |
| 00:08.12 | frankr | Guerin, editors which do what? I'm using mutt and its configured to send from my email which has no spaces |
| 00:08.13 | fasta | Guerin: yes, but that's not what I meant, obviously. |
| 00:08.14 | stoned | Guerin: same for a dual core then I sppose? |
| 00:08.16 | bpun | tarzeau, i mean have to be manually typed in.. |
| 00:08.19 | Guerin | infidel: if you have to ask, yes. |
| 00:08.26 | gimmebeer | jelly-home: did you mean I should wait before reporting the bug? |
| 00:08.32 | frankr | haha Guerin you just got 4 messages in a row |
| 00:08.43 | frankr | infidel, I use amd64 debian, its a pain in the ass |
| 00:08.45 | bpun | tarzeau, stuff like this doesn't hurt to be in factoid.. |
| 00:08.46 | infidel | Guerin, good point |
| 00:08.49 | quha1 | tarzeau: my vedio driver is vesa |
| 00:08.50 | Guerin | frankr: that was for fasta, sorry |
| 00:08.52 | fasta | \amethyst: thanks |
| 00:08.59 | frankr | ah, aha |
| 00:09.03 | tarzeau | bpun: you can put it into factoid |
| 00:09.06 | jelly-home | gimmebeer: I mean it might be a case that there's a new version in unstable that will work when it drops into testing. |
| 00:09.20 | tarzeau | quha1: worst ever video driver.. what card do you have? |
| 00:09.20 | dondelelcaro | fasta: there are editors that do that, but they are limited to rather simplisitic operations; none of them is capable of the degree of change that sed or perl attain. |
| 00:09.22 | jelly-home | gimmebeer: checking the bts won't hurt, though |
| 00:09.51 | tarzeau | stoned: sucks when you can only use half the cpu power you have? |
| 00:09.55 | fasta | dondelelcaro: I am overwhelmed by the number of options of sed. |
| 00:10.01 | quha1 | bpun: how could i turn on it? |
| 00:10.19 | quha1 | sis |
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| 00:10.30 | quha1 | tarzeau: sis |
| 00:10.45 | dondelelcaro | fasta: sed doesn't even have that many, actually... you pretty much only care about -i |
| 00:10.51 | infidel | frankr, thanks |
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| 00:11.09 | coolzone | Hi all. I am setting up a new linux box and I have some different hardware to choose from. Can someone tell me which is better, a AMD Athlon xp 3000+ with a Barton core and FSB 333, or a P4 2.6 with a FSB 800 |
| 00:11.10 | stoned | tarzeau: well I'm still tryig to figure out if I should get an smp kernel for my c2d or not. I've been told two different thigns by folks here. |
| 00:11.17 | frankr | Guerin, I'm assuming you use something other then fetchmail, ifso what |
| 00:11.21 | tarzeau | bpun: anyone can do so. don't msg me |
| 00:11.21 | fasta | dondelelcaro: the number of options is limited, but the language is... well a new language. |
| 00:11.34 | stoned | tarzeau: on the one hand I'm told its not neccessery, but on the other, they say if you want to use both cores then get it |
| 00:11.35 | tarzeau | stoned: what things? |
| 00:11.39 | quha1 | it does not work with a vesa driver? |
| 00:11.43 | fasta | dondelelcaro: things like 10q and other cryptic stuff. |
| 00:11.44 | bpun | tarzeau, well I was asking how to do something I don't people abusing it.. |
| 00:11.46 | dondelelcaro | fasta: sure, but for simple things the language is almost comically easy. |
| 00:11.48 | tarzeau | stoned: definitely get it |
| 00:11.51 | fasta | dondelelcaro: it's documented but requires time. |
| 00:11.53 | Guerin | fasta: i use mutt reading directly from an imap server |
| 00:11.56 | Guerin | fuckinghells |
| 00:11.58 | stoned | tarzeau: ok then |
| 00:11.59 | frankr | hahah |
| 00:12.00 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:12.00 | tarzeau | stoned: you never run two processes doing cpu stuff? |
| 00:12.00 | Guerin | frankr: ↑ |
| 00:12.03 | dondelelcaro | fasta: you probably just care about 's/foo/bar/g'; and that's about it. |
| 00:12.14 | stoned | tarzeau: I don't understand the nature of your question |
| 00:12.16 | dondelelcaro | stoned: are you talking about Debian kernels? |
| 00:12.18 | fasta | Guerin: I have configured mutt to do that too, but I don't like it. |
| 00:12.21 | stoned | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 00:12.23 | Guerin | fasta: time which, instead of whining about it, you could have been spending learning. |
| 00:12.33 | dondelelcaro | stoned: modern debian kernels all have smp enabled. |
| 00:12.33 | tarzeau | stoned: if you don't use an smp kernel and you have two cpus.. only one is used, the other not |
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| 00:12.34 | frankr | fasta, why not |
| 00:12.46 | stoned | dondelelcaro: thats what I also was told |
| 00:12.57 | stoned | tarzeau: dondelelcaro... ok which one is it then |
| 00:13.01 | Guerin | damn you people with nicks beginning with f |
| 00:13.05 | quha1 | tarzeau: could you help me to let the function enable? |
| 00:13.09 | stoned | smp or non-smp !! I'm getting confused guy |
| 00:13.15 | tarzeau | quha1: no, i don't know |
| 00:13.18 | bpun | quha1, hold on .. looking for doc.. |
| 00:13.22 | fasta | frankr: because I can't be an expert with every tool on the planet. |
| 00:13.31 | tarzeau | stoned: smp! |
| 00:13.33 | gimmebeer | jelly-home: thank you! I'm pretty confused now and I don't know whether I should report this or not. I never used dpkg, too, but it allowed me to remove the offending package while apt-get insisted on resolving the libc6 conflict before doing anything else. I hope it's fine, I'm still in the process of finishing the massive upgrade that followed libc6 migration |
| 00:13.41 | tarzeau | stoned: and then look at htop or xosview |
| 00:13.50 | tarzeau | stoned: try look at it with and without smp kernel,.. |
| 00:13.51 | stoned | but the regular non smp specific kernels in debian ARE smp capable |
| 00:13.53 | stoned | right? |
| 00:14.00 | Guerin | fasta: if you read instead of whining, you probably could be. |
| 00:14.11 | tarzeau | stoned: regular? you mean i386? etch+? |
| 00:14.13 | Guerin | stoned: no. |
| 00:14.15 | stoned | I mean, they are not labled such as 2.6.18-4-smp or sometihng |
| 00:14.17 | dondelelcaro | !+depends linux-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 00:14.19 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:14.21 | jelly-home | gimmebeer: far as I can tell it's a temporary problem, will be solved when gtk-qt-engine (= 1:0.8~svn-rev36-1) is in testing |
| 00:14.22 | dpkg | Package 'linux-image-2.6-686-smp' does not exist. |
| 00:14.28 | stoned | but 2.6.18-4 == smp capable? |
| 00:14.28 | fasta | Guerin: I already RTFM before "whining". |
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| 00:14.34 | stoned | just the one I have |
| 00:14.34 | dondelelcaro | stoned: yes. |
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| 00:14.37 | stoned | ok good |
| 00:14.38 | Guerin | stoned: kernels beyond (I think) .20 are SMP-worthy |
| 00:14.44 | jelly-home | gimmebeer: so no need to report, this is normal for testing. |
| 00:14.52 | Guerin | stoned: oh, pwerhaps it's .18 |
| 00:14.54 | dondelelcaro | !+depends linux-image-2.6-686-smp etch |
| 00:14.56 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:14.59 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686-smp: depends on linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 00:15.31 | stoned | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 00:15.40 | stoned | thats what I have on my sid laptop, dual core |
| 00:15.48 | jelly-home | stoned: that _is_ a smp kernel. |
| 00:15.49 | stoned | oh word then |
| 00:15.53 | stoned | I just read |
| 00:15.54 | gimmebeer | jelly-home: great, it never happened to me in the last 9 months of living with testing so I was a little scared O:) -- thank you again |
| 00:15.57 | stoned | thank you gentlemen |
| 00:16.01 | stoned | you're great |
| 00:16.58 | frankr | Guerin, what do you use to send mail? |
| 00:17.00 | jelly-home | stoned: for etch the non-smp kernel builds were dropped, and the -686, -k7 and friends are all smp capable |
| 00:17.13 | stoned | that is good to know |
| 00:17.25 | Guerin | frankr: C-x C-s C-c y |
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| 00:17.47 | stoned | Guerin: habla engles? |
| 00:17.59 | stoned | er.. |
| 00:18.04 | tarzeau | jelly-home: even on non x86 ones? |
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| 00:18.14 | Guerin | stoned: shì |
| 00:18.14 | stoned | amd dual cores |
| 00:18.16 | stoned | I would say |
| 00:18.22 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i mean debian also does sparc, alpha, mips, powerpc, hppa... |
| 00:18.23 | jelly-home | tarzeau: not sure |
| 00:18.26 | stoned | they should be |
| 00:18.51 | jelly-home | tarzeau: stoned's machine isn't any of those, though |
| 00:18.57 | stoned | jelly-home: what do you mean by ... and friends? |
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| 00:19.28 | jelly-home | stoned: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.18 |
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| 00:20.37 | stoned | oh i see what you mean |
| 00:21.55 | frankr | Guerin, trying to confuse me eh |
| 00:22.17 | Guerin | !confuse frankr |
| 00:22.18 | mmonix | is there a way to find out if a particular deb came w/ theoriginal install or by a deb i explicity installed? |
| 00:22.18 | dpkg | Yes, those is our ferret today, frankr? breeches of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra ham |
| 00:22.28 | jelly-home | a buddhist orders a pizza: make me one with everything |
| 00:22.42 | frankr | haha |
| 00:22.52 | Guerin | mmonix: not 100% reliably. You can look at the crimt on some files in /usr/share/doc/packagename/ |
| 00:22.54 | bpun | quha1, serverflag sections -> Option "DontVTSwitch" "boolean" |
| 00:22.57 | bpun | quha1, http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/xorg.conf.5.html |
| 00:23.20 | bpun | quha1, sorry for the delay.. |
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| 00:24.27 | delta9 | Guerin! |
| 00:26.14 | dmilith | anyon on sid? |
| 00:26.14 | dmilith | i mean lenny testing |
| 00:26.14 | dmilith | not sid ;f |
| 00:26.14 | bpun | tarzeau, Option "DontVTSwitch" "boolean", in serverflag sections -- i guess i'll try to put that in factoid.. |
| 00:26.14 | jelly-home | mmonix: you might be able to deduce things by creation times on those /usr/share/doc/* directories, perhaps |
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| 00:26.15 | dmilith | my hal is hanging up on starting.. |
| 00:26.20 | tarzeau | bpun: cool, must be new |
| 00:26.33 | bpun | tarzeau, not really I remember seeing it back then in x11 |
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| 00:26.48 | tarzeau | bpun: xfree86 you mean? |
| 00:26.54 | dkg | Where the hell do they get the names for Debian releases? Toy Story? |
| 00:26.56 | jelly-home | Guerin: or is that what you meant, ctime? |
| 00:26.56 | dkg | No, of course not. |
| 00:26.58 | dmilith | it says that initscript hal action failed |
| 00:26.59 | tarzeau | bpun: and chvt wouldn't work either? |
| 00:27.02 | bpun | tarzeau, y |
| 00:27.13 | Guerin | delta9: mc! |
| 00:27.17 | bpun | tarzeau, change terminal is stunned.. |
| 00:27.18 | tarzeau | dkg: can't wait to get debian "stinky" |
| 00:27.24 | stoned | is there a list of rejected packages from ftp-masteR? |
| 00:27.26 | Guerin | delta9: is this your US Army Rangers nickname? |
| 00:27.28 | dkg | tarzeau: Hehe. |
| 00:27.35 | tarzeau | (toy story 2, stinky pete) |
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| 00:27.38 | Guerin | stoned: qa.debian.org might know |
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| 00:27.52 | tarzeau | stoned: are you looking for something specific? |
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| 00:27.57 | Guerin | jelly-home: yeah |
| 00:28.08 | cp1134 | well the nvidia driver solved the problem, but it does seem odd to my that nv wouldn't work... |
| 00:28.11 | stoned | ok |
| 00:28.13 | stoned | nevermind |
| 00:28.15 | jelly-home | tarzeau: nothing can beat (off) woody :-D |
| 00:28.37 | Guerin | mmonix: ctime, sorry |
| 00:28.38 | quha1 | bpun, tarzeau: the problem solved |
| 00:28.43 | bpun | tarzeau, i never used the command chvt though.. |
| 00:28.50 | stoned | apparantly according to stew I got caught up with the fscking lisencing issues and in the meantime Mr. Khatib's version of SMC was accepted into unstable without any problems |
| 00:28.57 | quha1 | I just "sudo ln -s /tmp /var" |
| 00:28.58 | jelly-home | bpun: sudo chvt 1 |
| 00:29.05 | quha1 | then its OK |
| 00:29.07 | quha1 | thanx |
| 00:29.08 | stoned | this seriously pisses me off because I put in closd to 2.5 months of work into those packages |
| 00:29.11 | bpun | jelly-home, so that bypasses it? |
| 00:29.18 | stoned | this is utter bullshit |
| 00:29.21 | dondelelcaro | stoned: didn't you file an ITP? |
| 00:29.31 | stoned | unfortunately no |
| 00:29.32 | Guerin | stoned: free software isn't a competition |
| 00:29.38 | stoned | its not about that |
| 00:29.43 | jelly-home | bpun: that's the command to change to vt1, whether you're in X or not |
| 00:29.45 | stoned | its about my time being wasted |
| 00:29.45 | dondelelcaro | stoned: well, regardless, you can always offer to help with the package |
| 00:30.03 | dondelelcaro | stoned: and in the future, file ITPs; they exist to avoid this kind of duplication of effort |
| 00:30.11 | bpun | jelly, that's ok, but does that bypass the option i mentioned for serverflags.. |
| 00:30.20 | jelly-home | bpun: no idea |
| 00:30.21 | bpun | jelly-home, , that's ok, but does that bypass the option i mentioned for serverflags.. |
| 00:30.32 | quha1 | another problem, I use the svnc, but get a error "no suitable mode available" |
| 00:30.34 | stoned | dondelelcaro: I am... I've spoken with mr. khatib at legnth and we were going to be co maintiaing it, however now there is no reason for me to maintian it since the problems posed by stew are not even relevant |
| 00:30.37 | bpun | jelly-home, that's what tarzeau was asking |
| 00:30.42 | quha1 | what should i do? |
| 00:31.04 | tarzeau | stoned: what were you packaging? |
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| 00:31.08 | stoned | dondelelcaro: and those were the problems that I was going to work on.... 2 days before I wanted to upload my packages the other guy did it |
| 00:31.11 | dmilith | anyone have had problem with hald? |
| 00:31.11 | stoned | tarzeau: SMC |
| 00:31.14 | mmonix | thx .. looks like /usr/share/doc timestamps gives me a good idea . . thx |
| 00:31.31 | tarzeau | stoned: the ubuntu and packages at smc are broke |
| 00:31.42 | tarzeau | stoned: and old, i fixed them for myself, and got it to work |
| 00:31.45 | stoned | tarzeau: i know, look in unstable packages |
| 00:32.01 | stoned | tarzeau: you'll find muammaer el khatibs packages for smc in unstable |
| 00:32.02 | tarzeau | stoned: it's not too great the game, nor is it fun to play... |
| 00:32.08 | tarzeau | stoned: in main? |
| 00:32.15 | stoned | tarzeau: not for you maybe, I don't even want any other packages |
| 00:32.16 | jelly-home | bpun: the manual says that option only disables the ctrl-alt-f* keyboard combos. |
| 00:32.18 | tarzeau | stoned: do they work? |
| 00:32.27 | stoned | I only wanted to do this becuase I FUCKING love mario |
| 00:32.37 | stoned | fuck it man, I'll go smoke a cig and just whatever man |
| 00:32.39 | stoned | whatever |
| 00:32.54 | bpun | jelly-home, not all manuals are accurate though.. so can you try it? |
| 00:32.57 | fasta | dondelelcaro: how can sed take a list of files in the output format of find? Or do I need a shell loop for that? |
| 00:32.58 | tarzeau | stoned: smoking is bad for your health |
| 00:33.05 | quha1 | I use the svnc, but get a error "no suitable mode available", what should i do? |
| 00:33.07 | stoned | tarzeau: i hate you :( |
| 00:33.15 | tarzeau | stoned: come on , it's just softawre |
| 00:33.23 | stoned | tarzeau: i know bro but my time |
| 00:33.24 | tarzeau | stoned: if someone packages it for you, isn't that nice? |
| 00:33.25 | stoned | :( |
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| 00:33.40 | stoned | yes it is very nice, but MY GODDAMN TIME |
| 00:33.41 | tarzeau | stoned: your time was spent in a good way, you learnt how to package with software that you liked |
| 00:33.41 | stoned | man |
| 00:33.49 | stoned | tarzeau: sigh |
| 00:33.50 | tarzeau | stoned: next package will go much faster |
| 00:33.51 | stoned | thank you man |
| 00:33.52 | jelly-home | bpun: can you? :-) |
| 00:33.57 | tarzeau | stoned: can you imagine the time save? |
| 00:33.57 | stoned | you're full of positivity |
| 00:34.05 | stoned | I feel my frustration and anger going down |
| 00:34.12 | tarzeau | stoned: i mean i packaged mm3d like in a few minutes (except for the manpage) |
| 00:34.24 | bpun | tarzeau, can't find an online doc for blootbot |
| 00:34.28 | tarzeau | (and building) |
| 00:34.33 | stoned | tarzeau: next package.. i don't wanna package anything else :( |
| 00:35.03 | stoned | tarzeau: but I suppose the other guy deserves it, he said he spent close to 130+ days on smc packages |
| 00:35.15 | stoned | tarzeau: he also maintains libcegui which is required for smc |
| 00:35.20 | tarzeau | stoned: didn't you say you two maintain it? |
| 00:35.29 | jelly-home | bpun: if the user has root privileges, you're pretty much fucked anyway. |
| 00:35.29 | stoned | tarzeau: yeh but then I never heard from him again |
| 00:35.45 | tarzeau | stoned: maybe you can help with some bugs or patches and be co-maintainer (Uploader) |
| 00:35.54 | jelly-home | bpun: chvt requires root. |
| 00:36.03 | tarzeau | stoned: then you make a patch for something and tell what he adds for you to debian/control ? |
| 00:36.24 | stoned | yeh fuck it dude |
| 00:36.29 | stoned | maybe I'll pick up bubble bobble |
| 00:36.55 | bpun | jelly-home, k.. but doesn't matter too much.. |
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| 00:37.13 | fasta | dondelelcaro: never mind |
| 00:37.48 | stoned | tarzeau: some people are out there to make a name for themsevles, some people are just doing it because they love to do it. I'm the latter. I don't know about mr. khatib. Apparantly 1 month of no responses from him are giving me a bad iamge of him |
| 00:37.56 | infidel | frankr, 3 dvd's? |
| 00:38.34 | bpun | for blootbot, is http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=252&group_id=8794 accurate? |
| 00:38.39 | stoned | tarzeau: what I'm wondering is how come it got accepted into debian when it has copyrighted sound files? |
| 00:38.46 | jelly-home | bpun: that's my point, chvt isn't a big issue if the user doesn't have privileges to run it. |
| 00:38.56 | bpun | currently am not stationed at debian workstation |
| 00:39.03 | stoned | tarzeau: upstream devs told me specifically that 17 sound files in the game are copyrighted and not under free lisence |
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| 00:39.24 | dondelelcaro | stoned: it's possible that ftpmaster didn't see that |
| 00:39.33 | stoned | tarzeau: then we have lib xerces for xml which is under apache 2.0 liscence and NOT compatible with gpl 2.0 |
| 00:39.38 | tarzeau | stoned: don't take ti serious really, it's just software |
| 00:39.42 | stoned | which was the 2nd thing I was going to work on |
| 00:39.42 | dondelelcaro | stoned: if it's the case that the soundfiles are not available under a free license, then you should file bugs about it. |
| 00:39.48 | tarzeau | stoned: and miri wants to do the bub-n-bros.sf.net :) |
| 00:40.06 | stoned | I was going to make libcegui use tinyxml or libxml so that liscening is compatible |
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| 00:40.26 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:40.36 | fasta | Guerin, dondelelcaro: Look I can RTFM: find . -name '*.hs' -print | grep -v darcs| xargs sed -i -e 's/-cpp -pgmPcpp -optP-std=c89 -optP-C//g' |
| 00:41.10 | stoned | fasta: good for you |
| 00:41.42 | JordiGH | I don't understand. Why is it listed under "Outstanding bugs" yet says it's been fixed since April? #4193683 |
| 00:41.59 | stoned | !dbugs 4193683 |
| 00:42.02 | dpkg | #:N[] ; |
| 00:42.08 | stoned | okayy... |
| 00:42.11 | jelly-home | JordiGH: that number is too big |
| 00:42.22 | stoned | its 6 not 7 |
| 00:42.25 | JordiGH | #419683, sorry. |
| 00:42.36 | stoned | !dbugs 419683 |
| 00:42.39 | dpkg | DONE:#419683:S[octaviz] octaviz: FTBFS: CMake Error: VTK not found.; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:27:08 UTC |
| 00:42.48 | stoned | hmm. dpkg should link to the bug :D |
| 00:42.57 | JordiGH | But here it's in outstanding: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=octaviz;dist=unstable |
| 00:43.22 | stoned | dondelelcaro: I think i'll take a closer look at the packages and file the bugs I think need filed. Then I'll see if I can help solve them. |
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| 00:44.36 | stoned | maybe I'll find a non debian packages guitar app and package that |
| 00:44.41 | jelly-home | JordiGH: because the previous version is still in the archive? |
| 00:44.58 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Previous version of what? |
| 00:45.09 | jelly-home | JordiGH: that's a RC bug against the version in stable |
| 00:45.22 | jelly-home | JordiGH: of the package in question. |
| 00:46.03 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Ah. Stable. I forget about them. ;-) |
| 00:46.12 | jelly-home | poor sods |
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| 00:46.47 | snooky07 | hi all |
| 00:46.48 | snooky07 | I straight squid with mysql_auth installed and I have now the problem if one the username indicate and a belibiges password which to the user belonged do not take one then nevertheless accessed gotten. know you where the error are could? |
| 00:48.18 | bpun | tarzeau, list, set and Requires -o make no sense to online blootbot doc, I give up.. I must need perm |
| 00:48.21 | stoned | goddamn itps |
| 00:48.23 | stoned | fuck |
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| 00:48.31 | bpun | tarzeau, I mean, probably by conf |
| 00:48.34 | stoned | I didn't even know about this until like last month |
| 00:48.36 | stoned | goddamit |
| 00:48.47 | JordiGH | Ok, about these criteria: http://www.debian.org/devel/testing ... A lot of my favourite packages in unstable claim to depend on the unstable libc6... Does this mean they're staying in unstable until the unstable libc6 trickles down? |
| 00:49.00 | jelly-home | !de |
| 00:49.01 | dpkg | well, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 00:49.10 | stoned | JordiGH: umm backport try? |
| 00:49.15 | stoned | ... try to backport em? |
| 00:49.59 | JordiGH | stoned: Yeah, it works for most of them. Why isn't this automated? The specific version of a library that a package depends on is usually automated with maintainer scripts, right? |
| 00:50.26 | stoned | i don't know why |
| 00:50.40 | jelly-home | JordiGH: note that libc6 2.5-something actually has dropped into testing recently |
| 00:51.08 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Sweet! |
| 00:52.05 | jelly-home | JordiGH: in fact apt-cache policy libc6 on my "I have every release in sources.list" i386 desktop says testing and unstable have the same libc6 |
| 00:52.45 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Excellent. I thought it would take much longer. Now's the time to grab the unstable Octave2.9 ! |
| 00:54.16 | jelly-home | ¿que? |
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| 00:55.07 | JordiGH | Octave2.9.10 and above has a lot of nifty graphing things as compared to 2.9.9. I've been waiting for it... |
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| 00:59.29 | tarzeau | bpun: i don't know blootbot |
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| 01:00.23 | nabber | anyone know why xterm-256color isn't supported anymore? |
| 01:02.28 | Arafangion | nabber: Supported by what? Ask that group. |
| 01:03.02 | govtrust | anyone played around with aterm? |
| 01:03.14 | nabber | Arafangion: used to work in debian, but setting TERM=xterm-256color, complains about no terminal definition |
| 01:04.13 | Arafangion | nabber: What about xterm-color? |
| 01:04.20 | Arafangion | govtrust: I'm a urxvt fan. |
| 01:04.59 | nabber | Arafangion: some vim color themes needs xterm-256color |
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| 01:05.33 | Guerin | rxvt-unicode-ml is the ultimate win |
| 01:05.44 | govtrust | <Arafangion>I'll check it out |
| 01:06.00 | Arafangion | govtrust: You don't need to cut&paste my nick, you know... |
| 01:06.25 | Arafangion | govtrust: Just "ara" and then hit tab. If that doesn't work, GET A BETTER IRC CLIENT! |
| 01:06.59 | Arafangion | nabber: Odd. |
| 01:07.06 | Arafangion | nabber: Which one? |
| 01:07.43 | nabber | Arafangion: strings /usr/bin/xterm | grep "^color[0-9]" tells me there are 256 colors supported... |
| 01:07.51 | govtrust | Arafangion, thanks for the tip |
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| 01:08.29 | nabber | Arafangion: guess i'll check the source package |
| 01:08.48 | Arafangion | govtrust: Much better. :) |
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| 01:09.19 | jonny__ | i was wandering if anyone can help me with a game i try to run, im new to Debian only had it for 1 day and when i try to launch a game i get this error ----|> http://pastebin.se/18692 |
| 01:09.30 | KyleH | I have wierdness in Etch Stable; my sound works just fine until logout/in cycle - then it stops and I get "sound system errors" until I reboot. Anyone have a clue? |
| 01:11.38 | Gigantic | aim awei |
| 01:11.43 | Gigantic | srry |
| 01:11.44 | KyleH | jonny__:. Did you google for this error? |
| 01:11.53 | bpun | blootbot is not adding new topics, someone offer me a semantic expression? |
| 01:12.13 | bpun | Guerin, I reckon you know :) |
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| 01:12.19 | jonny__ | KlyeH i did indeed, but it said something about a xorg.conf but didnt go into detail |
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| 01:13.51 | KyleH | jonny__:. I think you need to enable running generic x windows from your terminal |
| 01:14.17 | KyleH | jonny__:. someone here may know how to do that - I'll look around for my notes |
| 01:14.23 | jonny__ | ahhh ok thanks |
| 01:14.33 | jonny__ | i havnt even had Debian on for 24 hours.... |
| 01:14.43 | jonny__ | this is my first time using it |
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| 01:15.37 | edju | Trying to compile mplayer-plugin, but it seems a stock etch doesn't provide a compiler. Q is, which compiler do I install? |
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| 01:16.40 | JordiGH | What? |
| 01:16.54 | bpun | jonny__, you might need to set a GLX_smthing variable if you're using nvidia driver, then from that xterm box, launch game command.. just wild guessing |
| 01:16.59 | KyleH | jonny__:. Others are having the same error you are: see http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Tibia |
| 01:17.40 | jonny__ | k Thanks |
| 01:17.40 | JordiGH | edju: apt-get build-dep mplayer-plugin |
| 01:17.56 | KyleH | jonny__:. see if you have direct rendering by running the command $glxinfo | grep direct |
| 01:18.56 | JordiGH | edju: Wait, mplayer-plugin isn't a Debian package... Looks like you're on your own for figuring out what the build dependencies are. You'll have to read its INSTALL file, assuming it follows the GNU packaging standards. |
| 01:18.56 | jonny__ | nothing comes up |
| 01:19.46 | bpun | dpkg topic add nutbolt |
| 01:19.54 | bpun | dpkg booya test |
| 01:19.55 | KyleH | jonny__:. if you do not see "direct rendering: yes" then you may have trouble running that game |
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| 01:20.08 | JordiGH | dpkg what are you? |
| 01:20.09 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:20.49 | jonny__ | i put in the command and nothing camme up :S |
| 01:21.47 | jonny__ | Unknown-00-12-3f-19-05-d5:/home/jonny# $glxinfo | grep direct |
| 01:21.47 | jonny__ | Unknown-00-12-3f-19-05-d5:/home/jonny# |
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| 01:22.35 | KyleH | jonny__:. just try $glxinfo |
| 01:23.48 | jonny__ | nothing :S |
| 01:24.12 | robin_sz | look like the bttv module isnt getting loaded on reboot, should I just mention it in /etc/modules??? |
| 01:25.07 | robin_sz | Jonny, no .. you are typing htat dollar sign arent you? |
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| 01:25.27 | robin_sz | jonny__, you are actually typing that dollar sign arent you? |
| 01:25.32 | jonny__ | errrrr |
| 01:25.34 | robin_sz | jonny__, dont do that |
| 01:25.42 | jonny__ | ok without it just a big grid sort of thing |
| 01:25.47 | jonny__ | should i put it on pastebin? |
| 01:26.08 | robin_sz | #foo ... means "execute the foo command while logged in as root" |
| 01:26.23 | robin_sz | $foo ... means "execute the foo command while logged in as a normal user" |
| 01:26.46 | jonny__ | http://pastebin.se/18693 |
| 01:26.47 | robin_sz | you dont actully type the dollar, you just type foo |
| 01:26.50 | jonny__ | thats what it says |
| 01:26.54 | bpun | JordiGH, you know about blootbot? |
| 01:27.17 | KyleH | jonny__:. good news, you have direct rendering enabled. |
| 01:27.23 | jonny__ | err ok :D |
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| 01:27.59 | KyleH | jonny__:. from your terminal, first type xhost+, then run your game again |
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| 01:28.52 | jonny__ | xhost+? |
| 01:29.14 | KyleH | jonny__:. yes $xhost+ |
| 01:30.10 | KyleH | jonny__:. If the game still does not start, set the following first and try again: $export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 01:31.20 | jonny__ | Sorry, im gonna sound like a complete jackass right about now since this is my first day with Debian but this xhost+ doesnt seem to be doing anything |
| 01:32.24 | KyleH | sorry jonny__ I left out a space - try $xhost + |
| 01:32.32 | donny | hello everyone |
| 01:32.35 | cp1134 | is there a way too tell which --configure options a given .deb was compiled with? |
| 01:32.44 | KyleH | jonny__:. then try $export DISPLAY=:0 |
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| 01:33.00 | rking1 | jonny__: whoa, wait... xhost + is bad |
| 01:33.09 | rking1 | yikes. |
| 01:33.15 | jonny__ | o.o |
| 01:33.27 | donny | what packages do i have to install to get firefox/iceweasel to connect with java? i don't need applets, but i assume the configuration would be the same for getting applets available as for what i need (which is limited java functionality access from within javascript) |
| 01:33.41 | rking1 | !xhost |
| 01:33.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
| 01:33.47 | jonny__ | o.o |
| 01:34.10 | jonny__ | well if its the only way...i guess i should do it |
| 01:34.46 | rking1 | jonny__: there's absolutely no way it's the only way |
| 01:34.58 | jonny__ | well i was asking in here earlier for like 2 hours |
| 01:35.01 | jonny__ | no one was able to help |
| 01:35.11 | Deepa | Maybe they were asleep |
| 01:35.23 | rking1 | jonny__: `xhost +` says, "Let any host connect to my X session". the absolute worst case, where you have to use xhost for some reason I don't know about, at least you could do so discriminately. |
| 01:35.24 | KyleH | jonny__:. its ok for immediate troubleshooting - but then you need to go back and secure your system once the trouble has been found. |
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| 01:36.00 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 01:36.21 | KyleH | rking:. I deserve that! |
| 01:36.26 | rking | hehe =) |
| 01:36.29 | KyleH | :-D |
| 01:36.42 | jonny__ | mhm |
| 01:36.42 | jonny__ | k |
| 01:36.45 | piztek | any word on flash for 64bti yet? |
| 01:37.09 | bintut | what will happen if the cpu utilization goes to 100%? |
| 01:37.42 | thesaboteur | the cpu will process alot of data and instructions... |
| 01:37.43 | piztek | system will lag, possibly get a power shortage and reboot |
| 01:37.52 | dvs | bintut: *boom* ;-) |
| 01:38.18 | bintut | dvs: you mean, the server will crash? |
| 01:38.33 | bintut | dvs: or, will it just slows down? |
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| 01:38.42 | dvs | bintut: I was just kidding. Things would just go slower than normal. |
| 01:39.00 | thesaboteur | bintut depends on what process is driving your cpu usage up, however cpu at 100% in itself won't really cause any problems. |
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| 01:39.09 | bintut | dvs: but will never crash or reboot the server? |
| 01:39.22 | dvs | bintut: if it's just the CPU at 100%, no. |
| 01:39.24 | \amethyst | bintut: if you have poor hardware or electricity it might |
| 01:39.44 | \amethyst | bintut: or airflow problems |
| 01:39.49 | bintut | thesaboteur: actually, i just monitored it on my small box here and i got 100% cpu utilization.. |
| 01:40.09 | thesaboteur | might just be a hung process, hard to say. |
| 01:40.18 | dvs | bintut: is it suppose to be doing anything intense now? |
| 01:40.18 | jonny__ | Anyone here got any views on my error?http://pastebin.se/18679 |
| 01:40.46 | bintut | just to give you an idea, my server is similar to this one ==> http://cogitoimage.com.sg/_help/Welcome.htm |
| 01:41.16 | bintut | but, my cpu is 1ghz celeron and 512mb ram only |
| 01:41.22 | bintut | running on debian etch |
| 01:41.41 | dvs | bintut: I'd run top and see what the top process is. |
| 01:42.38 | bintut | dvs: yeah, i'm running top here.. |
| 01:42.57 | dvs | bintut: so, what is the top process? is it the same one all the time? |
| 01:43.00 | rking | jonny__: what are you doing that gets this message? |
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| 01:44.22 | jonny__ | loading a game |
| 01:44.49 | mick_home | is mysql-workbench not packaged? or is it under another name? |
| 01:45.26 | mick_home | i see the querybrowser is (along w/ some others) - but i'm not sure if i'm just not looking in the right place |
| 01:45.41 | thesaboteur | check Tibia's website for those errors jonny__ |
| 01:46.01 | jonny__ | i have, i checked amongst there support forums |
| 01:46.12 | mick_home | i see that it is packaged for ubuntu (via a web search) - so it must be available under Debian (or..?) |
| 01:46.27 | jonny__ | i g2g |
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| 01:46.37 | piztek | why can't I resize an mplayer video window? |
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| 01:48.44 | KyleH | piztek:. right-click the image - can you make it double size or fullscreen? |
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| 01:49.05 | piztek | KyleH, no, I can't. |
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| 01:49.15 | piztek | only the window doubles, not video |
| 01:49.17 | cp1134 | if i want to install vim-full, do i need to uninstall vim-tiny, or will apt-get install vim-full "do the right thing" for me? |
| 01:49.30 | mick_home | piztek: use -zoom |
| 01:49.37 | pieman | hey fine people. need a little help. just installed debian with the minimal net install cd. didn't install it with any internet since dhcp couldn't get me online with my nvidia ethernet card so just partition the drive and installed the kernel that came on the cd... i booted into debian and still couldn't get online... -_- helps? |
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| 01:50.06 | mick_home | and -fs for fullscreen (if that is what you want) |
| 01:50.09 | pieman | do you think it could be that the kernel isn't loading the forcedepth driver? |
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| 01:50.32 | mick_home | if your box is a bit slow, you may need to also use --no-cache |
| 01:51.22 | bintut | dvs: currently, without running like 'rkhunter -c |
| 01:51.27 | \amethyst | cp1134: if you install both, they will both be available. You can then do (as root) update-alternatives --config vim to pick which one will be run by default |
| 01:51.30 | cast | piztek: use the right vo driver |
| 01:51.36 | cast | piztek: say, -vo xv |
| 01:51.51 | bintut | dvs: currently, without running like 'rkhunter -c' command, you can find info at http://paste.debian.net/29499 |
| 01:51.58 | piztek | i'll try |
| 01:52.04 | \amethyst | cp1134: if you want to run the tiny version or the full version explicitly, you can use vim.tiny or vim.full |
| 01:52.34 | \amethyst | cp1134: It's safe to remove the vim-tiny package, though, after installing vim-full |
| 01:52.39 | cast | pieman: well dmesg|grep eth0, see if you get a eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: |
| 01:52.45 | bintut | dvs: not all the time. it goes up to 100% cpu utilization when running other tools like rkhunter |
| 01:52.50 | dvs | bintut: well, there's free memory so that's a good sign |
| 01:53.47 | cp1134 | \amethyst: thanks for the info. |
| 01:53.59 | bintut | also, is there a way to force mysqld 5 to run processes at 3 only? i mean, like mysqld 5 that is multi-threaded, can i force it to run minimally since my box is just for personal use? |
| 01:54.13 | KyleH | Does anyone else here (using KDE/Etch Stable) have sound system dying issues after logging out and back in? |
| 01:54.30 | cp1134 | \amethyst: do you know a way to tell which options a given .deb was configured with? for example, i want to see that rxvt-unicode-ml was compiled with transparency |
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| 01:55.31 | dvs | bintut: I don't use mysql but I'm sure that there will be an option |
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| 01:57.25 | Falconious | After attempting to upgrade from Woody to Sarge I can no longer login from the tty's, but I can ssh into it when it is chrooted . |
| 01:57.55 | mmlj4 | nice |
| 01:58.09 | Falconious | What might cause that? I will mention that my distribution is very impure. |
| 01:58.33 | bintut | i don't get this.. mysqld 5 is multi-threaded then when running top, i got around 7 or 8 processes at the same time running mysql and uses the same cpu utilization and memory utilization. does this mean that mysqld 5 eats "total_memory_usage = memory_usage_per_process * number_of_process" ? |
| 01:58.39 | mmlj4 | what happens when you try to log in? |
| 01:58.55 | cast | Falconious: whats the error message in the logs? |
| 01:59.18 | Falconious | I type in my username (both my personal one and root) and it says "Invalid login" before I can give a password. |
| 01:59.32 | mmlj4 | bintut: top lies |
| 01:59.33 | cast | bintut: nfi. maybe ask in mysql |
| 01:59.41 | Falconious | cast: What file is that in? |
| 02:00.00 | cast | Falconious: dunno /var/log/* somewhere ;P |
| 02:00.02 | mmlj4 | top knows nothing about shared libraries, for instance |
| 02:00.34 | mmlj4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:01.51 | cast | Falconious: since etch is the current stable...i'd reinstall, takes me 10 minutes and then you'll end up with something very clean |
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| 02:02.16 | mmlj4 | back up your crap first |
| 02:02.23 | Falconious | cast: I don't have an Etch DVD and my cd drive doesn't work. |
| 02:02.29 | infidel | can someone tell me why there are 3 Debian DVD's? |
| 02:02.33 | cast | Falconious: maybe thats not an option, but it is quick. you are going to have to download alot of packages anyway to get to etch, oh, no net access? |
| 02:02.48 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 02:02.54 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18601 packages, 1728 maintainers, 41697 MB installed size, 13733 MB compressed size. |
| 02:02.55 | abrotman | infidel: ^^^^^ |
| 02:03.08 | Falconious | cast: I do have net access, which is why I've been using a net install. |
| 02:03.16 | infidel | abrotman, ain't that a lot? |
| 02:03.40 | cast | infidel: don't download all 3. you do not need every possible program you can install in debian with apt |
| 02:03.53 | Falconious | mmlj4: The first log message I see that suggests a problem is the EXT2-fs warning about an unchecked drive. |
| 02:04.13 | infidel | cast, which one('s) do i nedd? |
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| 02:04.24 | edju | Anyone know offhand why RealPlayer and mplayer-plugin barf on media at BBC and C-Span? Anything obvious? |
| 02:04.35 | infidel | cast, ^need |
| 02:04.35 | cast | infidel: well do you have an internet connection...yes? |
| 02:04.54 | infidel | cast, yes a very fast one too |
| 02:04.55 | cast | infidel: grab the netinstall cd |
| 02:05.07 | cast | infidel: the 3 dvds are more for people who don't have internet. |
| 02:05.21 | infidel | cast, ahh |
| 02:05.36 | cast | infidel: do you have a wired or wireless nic? |
| 02:05.46 | Falconious | I should also mention that I have a 2.6 kernel in the installation. |
| 02:05.48 | infidel | cast, wired |
| 02:06.18 | cast | infidel: good good. should work fine. shitty wireless nics seem to be getting popular as of late |
| 02:06.34 | piztek | how can i fix Fontconfig error: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/70-ttf-arphic-uming.conf", line 69: not well-formed (invalid token) |
| 02:06.35 | infidel | cast, i concur |
| 02:06.37 | bintut | how can i force mysqld-5 on debian etch to run only 3 processes only? |
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| 02:07.06 | bzed | bintut: it runs only one precess, but several threads |
| 02:07.18 | infidel | cast, can i ask your opinion of Debian over Ubuntu? |
| 02:07.47 | cast | Falconious: you can do a deb install off a usb drive, too, or from windows, or you could setup a small working system in your swap partition and boot off that then do a debootstrap install. or fix your current issues, depends how you feel :> |
| 02:08.36 | abrotman | infidel: clearly debian is better!!! :) |
| 02:08.50 | infidel | abrotman, i like your answer |
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| 02:09.04 | Falconious | cast: I'm using an Ubuntu live CD to talk now, so I can hopefully resolve the issue with a re-install. I also don't have a swap partition if I remember correctly. |
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| 02:09.11 | cast | infidel: i do not think ubuntu introduce more quality into debian, rather they make it more newbie friendly. but imho debian is friendly enough, |
| 02:09.26 | cast | Falconious: oh. awesome! you can do a deb install from the ubuntu livecd :> |
| 02:09.36 | infidel | cast, cool |
| 02:10.01 | KyleH | bintut:. Have you tried to limit by user? See http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/user-resources.html |
| 02:10.31 | piztek | what's the torrent program to use? |
| 02:10.35 | bintut | bzed: ok. but i notice here that mysql runs so many threads.. does it mean that the total memory consumption for mysql is multiplied to the number of threads? |
| 02:10.36 | Guerin | piztek: rtorrent |
| 02:10.44 | Falconious | cast: Where do I find that, and how much stuff will I wipe out? |
| 02:11.03 | piztek | any cli torrent programs? |
| 02:11.09 | Guerin | piztek: rtorrent |
| 02:11.24 | bintut | bzed: let's say: total_memory_usage_for_mysql == number_of_threads * memory_usage_per_thread ? |
| 02:11.33 | piztek | rtorrent has cli? |
| 02:11.39 | Guerin | piztek: ncurses |
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| 02:11.44 | bintut | bzed: am i right? |
| 02:11.54 | bzed | bintut: I ahve no clue how much memory they hsare. you really wanna ask that in a mysql channel |
| 02:12.06 | piztek | so just ncurses from console? |
| 02:12.13 | cast | Falconious: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en i think is the place to look |
| 02:12.13 | bintut | bzed: ok |
| 02:12.16 | Guerin | piztek: yes. |
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| 02:12.50 | Falconious | cast: Any idea what caused the problem? |
| 02:13.01 | mazzanet | 100 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded. |
| 02:13.02 | mazzanet | Need to get 53.1MB of archives. After unpacking 2720kB will be used. |
| 02:13.07 | mazzanet | wow |
| 02:13.10 | cast | Falconious: how much you wipe is up to you. personally i'd back up all my data, and all the config files that take a while to sort out in /etc |
| 02:13.22 | mazzanet | i only updated yesterday! |
| 02:13.42 | piztek | Guerin, package ncurses hase no install candidate |
| 02:13.46 | cast | Falconious: nfi. sometimes there are bugs between release upgrades, maybe PAM got misconfigured or took a dump |
| 02:13.51 | KyleH | mazzanet:. what version? |
| 02:13.57 | mazzanet | etch |
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| 02:14.10 | turnermeista_ | hello. |
| 02:14.17 | bzed | mazzanet: yesterday almost 500 new packages hit testing ;) |
| 02:14.24 | Falconious | cast: I just find it odd that I can ssh into chroot'ed but not from the terminal. |
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| 02:14.40 | Falconious | cast: Also, my external hard drive is broken. |
| 02:14.40 | mazzanet | bzed: ah that'd do it :P |
| 02:14.41 | turnermeista_ | I am trying to boot a debian server, and about a minute into booting, i get a crc error --System Halted |
| 02:14.47 | turnermeista_ | What does this meaN? |
| 02:14.57 | mazzanet | bzed: any particular reason or just coincidence? |
| 02:14.57 | Guerin | piztek: just install rtorrent, ffs |
| 02:15.49 | turnermeista_ | hello? |
| 02:16.06 | Guerin | !crc error |
| 02:16.09 | abrotman | turnermeista_: bad ram ? |
| 02:16.09 | Guerin | !crc |
| 02:16.10 | dpkg | i heard crc is (Cyclic Redundancy Check) A mathematical calculation that produces a number that can be used to check the integrity of a file by regenerating the number and comparing the results. |
| 02:16.10 | piztek | how do i work rtorrent from console? |
| 02:16.17 | abrotman | man rtorrent ? |
| 02:16.19 | Guerin | piztek: man rtorrent |
| 02:16.27 | Guerin | it is very well documented |
| 02:16.30 | Falconious | cast: I suppose another option might be to try to update Debian from within the chroot. |
| 02:16.37 | piztek | can i open torrents with rtorrent to open in terminal? |
| 02:16.54 | Guerin | piztek: YES, for fuck's sakes |
| 02:17.12 | Guerin | well, *I* can ... whether you have the ability to master this quite trivial task is yet to be seen |
| 02:17.14 | piztek | wow |
| 02:17.34 | turnermeista_ | abrotman: No, ram is fine. this is what i'm getting. 'Uncompressing Linux. . . crc error -- System Halted |
| 02:17.53 | Falconious | turnermeista: From my experience, I've gotten CRC errors when I had a problem with the kernel. |
| 02:17.54 | abrotman | either the kernel image is boofed .. or you have bad RAM/disk |
| 02:17.55 | Guerin | turnermeista_: sounds like a broken kernel image to me |
| 02:18.08 | turnermeista_ | so, i should reinstallo? |
| 02:18.09 | Guerin | try booting another kernel and manually uncompressing the image |
| 02:18.11 | turnermeista_ | *reinstall |
| 02:18.30 | turnermeista_ | Guerin: I wouldn't know how to do that,. |
| 02:18.42 | Guerin | turnermeista_: which bit? |
| 02:18.52 | turnermeista_ | Ahh, all of it. |
| 02:18.58 | turnermeista_ | I know how to reinstall though. |
| 02:19.07 | Guerin | i guess that's what you're doing, though |
| 02:19.14 | turnermeista_ | Hmm |
| 02:19.18 | turnermeista_ | Ok, i'll just do that. |
| 02:19.18 | Guerin | i guess that's what you're doing, though it might have the same result |
| 02:19.19 | cast | Falconious: your call. i like shiny clean installs personally :> but that is sometimes more work |
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| 02:19.50 | Falconious | cast: Well, it can't get much worse no matter what I do. Thanks all for the help. |
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| 02:20.50 | turnermeista_ | the server wont boot from c. |
| 02:20.55 | turnermeista_ | *cd. |
| 02:21.24 | piztek | i've never fully read a man page |
| 02:21.31 | Guerin | piztek: it shows |
| 02:21.37 | piztek | ha |
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| 02:22.15 | piztek | the only real reason i've had so many problems is because i had some bootup shutdown problems that really frustrated me |
| 02:22.30 | piztek | it was all just frustration |
| 02:24.23 | piztek | does anyone know where lilo stores it's boot images that it uses |
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| 02:24.41 | cast | nope. we like grub |
| 02:25.05 | abrotman | piztek: huh ? |
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| 02:25.51 | piztek | abrotman, lilo has an optional three images you can choose from, i'm looking to edit one |
| 02:26.04 | abrotman | images? |
| 02:26.08 | abrotman | you mean .. kernels ? |
| 02:26.13 | jeffwheeler | What exactly does Ubuntu do to make the fonts in FF/IW look so much nicer than in Debian? |
| 02:26.13 | piztek | yes boot images |
| 02:26.15 | piztek | no images |
| 02:26.27 | jeffwheeler | And how can I do the same thing? |
| 02:26.39 | abrotman | piztek: /etc/lilo.conf |
| 02:27.05 | Guerin | jeffwheeler: we can't guess what you mean. Take screenshots for comparison. |
| 02:27.07 | Shadur | I've got a clean system that I copied over all my original files to, but since I was using udev I never did manage to populate /dev on the new target. What command can I use to populate it with the minimum it needs to start udev properly? |
| 02:27.12 | piztek | abrotman, it's empty |
| 02:27.14 | Guerin | jeffwheeler: FWIW my fonts look lovely |
| 02:27.25 | piztek | no, where lilo keeps the images |
| 02:27.30 | jeffwheeler | Guerin: sure thing |
| 02:27.36 | Shadur | Is it save/acceptable to just copy the contents of /dev/.static/dev to /mnt/newdrive/dev ? |
| 02:27.43 | bintut | brb.. i have to go for a while.. |
| 02:27.47 | Falconious | piztek: The images are where you specify them to be. |
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| 02:29.41 | piztek | Falconious, can't i just edit the one i'm using if i find it? |
| 02:29.42 | Falconious | piztek: Specify or find out where with the image= option in the file, |
| 02:29.50 | KyleH | jeffwheeler:. you may find this font resource of interest: http://www.geocities.com/hartke01/ |
| 02:30.15 | Falconious | piztek: The image or the lilo.conf line? |
| 02:30.57 | piztek | the image |
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| 02:31.02 | jeffwheeler | Guerin: here's a illustrative screenshot: http://nokrev.com/Screenshot.png |
| 02:31.12 | jeffwheeler | KyleH: thanks, let me look |
| 02:31.27 | Falconious | piztek: Yes, but be sure to run /sbin/lilo after you do. |
| 02:31.37 | Falconious | piztek: As far as I know, that is. |
| 02:31.39 | piztek | gah, but where is the imag! |
| 02:31.42 | jeffwheeler | Guerin: a lot of sites look a lot better than what's in the screenshot, but still many do not |
| 02:31.48 | piztek | the picture |
| 02:31.52 | piztek | the png |
| 02:32.04 | Falconious | piztek: That I do not know. |
| 02:32.41 | Guerin | my, that is fugly. I recommend three things: 1. set your font choices to something good; 2. select `always use my fonts'; 3. install msttcorefonts |
| 02:33.10 | Guerin | jeffwheeler: ↑ |
| 02:34.02 | jeffwheeler | Guerin: looking (your help is much appreciated!) |
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| 02:35.19 | KyleH | jeffwheeler:. I had ugly fonts like that once, mstcorefonts fixed my problem - and a few xorg.conf tweaks |
| 02:35.44 | Guerin | xorg.conf shouldn't need touched unless you chose the wrong hinting scheme |
| 02:36.08 | Guerin | msttcorefonts is usualkly the iussue because the retards who design and maintain BBS software use them by default |
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| 02:37.41 | jeffwheeler | Guerin, KyleH: that did help a lot; thanks; are there no weird licenses on that package? |
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| 02:38.05 | KyleH | jeffwheeler:. Microsoft may sue you! :-D |
| 02:38.23 | jeffwheeler | KyleH: well, I figured it was peculiar to find it in contrib rather than non-free :/ |
| 02:38.31 | Guerin | jeffwheeler: msttcorefonts? Yes, the license is weird. It was released with the caveat that the original package be distributed unmodified - then the release was revoked, but the license remains in force. |
| 02:38.57 | jeffwheeler | Guerin: hmmm, strange; oh well; fixed my problem |
| 02:38.58 | Guerin | so they have to be distributed in a zipped cabinet-file |
| 02:39.11 | pm2 | Hello - I'm having some trouble with OpenLDAP. I'm following a HOWTO, trying to get it setup with kerberos. I've been adjusting slapd.conf to set ACL's and such. I am now getting a Segmentation Fault when I try to run slapd. |
| 02:39.14 | Guerin | but as long as you only distribute that particular file you're all good |
| 02:39.23 | KyleH | jeffwheeler:. the license allows distribution - but you must have the EULA from microsoft |
| 02:39.35 | pm2 | http://paste.debian.net/29500 -- here is the debug output from slapd |
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| 02:40.20 | abrotman | pm2: there's an ldap channel |
| 02:40.30 | pm2 | http://paste.debian.net/29501 -- here is my slapd.conf file. This is using slapd 2.3.30 on Etch |
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| 02:42.12 | pm2 | abrotman, ok, I also asked there |
| 02:42.33 | KyleH | jeffwheeler:. took some searching, but here is the EULA for msttcorfonts: http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/eula.htm |
| 02:42.48 | jeffwheeler | KyleH: thanks |
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| 02:52.06 | turnermeista_ | When i install debian etch. |
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| 02:52.40 | Azar | turnermeista_: whenever you feel like |
| 02:52.49 | turnermeista_ | when it asks me for a mirror, i select one, then it scans the mirror, gets to 40% then the screen goes red, and tells me it is a bad archive mirror |
| 02:53.07 | Guerin | turnermeista_: select another\ |
| 02:53.14 | turnermeista_ | i did |
| 02:53.17 | turnermeista_ | 20 times over |
| 02:53.23 | Azar | mister Guerin !! :) hi |
| 02:54.08 | Azar | try one from another country... just for kicks |
| 02:54.25 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:54.34 | guru | would it be considered UB to add an integer to a size_t datatype using an implicit cast or would that depend on how size_t is defined? |
| 02:54.38 | Azar | must be feeling good... marinaded |
| 02:54.41 | thingfish | abrotman: are you cooking tonight? |
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| 02:54.51 | guru | ignore that; thought i was on #c |
| 02:54.55 | turnermeista_ | ?? |
| 02:55.13 | abrotman | thingfish: i ate out .. i went to see a friend play a gig .. ate a huge burger .. yum yum |
| 02:55.18 | thingfish | mmm |
| 02:55.24 | thingfish | chili dogs here |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | the patty was roughly the size of my hand/fingers stretched out |
| 02:55.44 | Azar | shhhh, I have three more days until I can have a burger |
| 02:55.44 | thingfish | wow |
| 02:55.57 | abrotman | thingfish: with JD BBQ sauce on it! |
| 02:56.13 | abrotman | and it was $8 |
| 02:56.14 | thingfish | abrotman: that sounds pretty good - and filling! |
| 02:56.16 | Azar | chicken soup and pudding for me today |
| 02:56.30 | thingfish | $8? That sounds like a good deal, actually. |
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| 02:56.47 | Azar | eight bux fora burger? damn expensive |
| 02:56.56 | thingfish | but it was a big burger |
| 02:57.05 | abrotman | thingfish: it was a little town .. bout two blocks wide and four blocks long :) |
| 02:57.15 | Azar | with real tomatoe slices and lettuce? or a ny ketchup one? |
| 02:57.27 | abrotman | tomato and lettuce .. and onion rings on it :) |
| 02:57.31 | thingfish | abrotman: oh you can find the best food you ever ate in little places like that, quite often. |
| 02:57.37 | Azar | wow yesss that is a real deal |
| 02:57.47 | abrotman | thingfish: too bad it's so far from my place |
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| 02:58.50 | piztek | how do i edit icons? |
| 02:59.00 | abrotman | gimp probably |
| 02:59.08 | abrotman | maybe inkscape |
| 02:59.16 | Azar | hehehe, gotta love that song: http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Print-It-Like-Its-Hot.aspx |
| 03:00.17 | thingfish | abrotman: that's ok though...if it were closer, you'd eat there all the time and get tired of it. |
| 03:00.50 | abrotman | thingfish: dunno .. it was damn good .. and it was a big menu |
| 03:01.01 | abrotman | thingfish: more likely i'd get tubby like Guerin! |
| 03:01.08 | thingfish | hehe |
| 03:01.23 | thingfish | abrotman: steaks? BBQ? |
| 03:01.46 | thingfish | or just country cooking |
| 03:02.22 | Azar | it must be fun cooking... when you are not hungry |
| 03:02.45 | abrotman | thingfish: and pasta! |
| 03:02.55 | thingfish | Azar: it can be fun, yes. |
| 03:03.13 | Azar | well all I know do is spagetti, the real deal |
| 03:03.22 | Azar | my own sauce recipe and all |
| 03:03.50 | thingfish | Azar: you make the sauce from scratch? |
| 03:04.07 | Azar | thingfish: yep and with real tomatoes, garlic, onion.. nothing canned |
| 03:04.51 | Azar | the meat has to be freshly ground at the butcher... no packaged |
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| 03:05.20 | thingfish | Azar: oh you're even more particular than I am. I use a can of whole canned tomatoes and a small can of tomato paste to make mine. Everything else is fresh, though (except maybe for the oregano). |
| 03:05.48 | Azar | thingfish: next time read the can ingredients for sulfits, benzenes, monoblablabla... that does not get in my food |
| 03:05.55 | thingfish | Later on in the season, though, I'll have fresh herbs from my folks' garden. |
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| 03:06.23 | Azar | thingfish: good thing about ca. : fresh veggies all year round |
| 03:06.33 | thingfish | indeed |
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| 03:07.02 | thingfish | Azar: and variety, too. |
| 03:07.21 | Azar | thingfish: yes indeed.. |
| 03:07.46 | Azar | try get your food all made out from fresh , real deal stuff see how much better tastes |
| 03:07.53 | Guerin | yes |
| 03:07.59 | Guerin | real food is real |
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| 03:08.29 | thingfish | oh absolutely |
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| 03:08.37 | abrotman | more eel!!! |
| 03:08.52 | thingfish | I'm lucky - my folks put in a nice garden every year. |
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| 03:09.35 | Guerin | thingfish: my wife runs a garden - I catch fish |
| 03:09.40 | Guerin | so we eat pretty well |
| 03:09.42 | Azar | thingfish: don't start my childhood's memories.. :) |
| 03:10.10 | Guerin | i need to get more time off and buy a rifle, then I'll be able to hunt also |
| 03:10.14 | Azar | Guerin: ever did a fish in the oven wrapped in parchement paper? |
| 03:10.25 | seriouslycgi | hi, i accidently installed debian lenny instead of etch (no biggie) i was wondering if there was a support site for lenny yet? I just want to install flash and some other applications, should i re-install to etch? |
| 03:10.31 | thingfish | Guerin: sounds fantastic |
| 03:10.36 | Guerin | Azar: have done with tinfoil, but not parchment |
| 03:10.51 | abrotman | Azar: fish-in-a-bag |
| 03:10.53 | Guerin | the difficulty with tinfoiul is that you can't cook with acidic stuff |
| 03:11.04 | Azar | oh mannnn! try with parchement paper, spreaded with oil.. is delicious |
| 03:11.11 | Azar | abrotman: exactly |
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| 03:11.24 | Guerin | i'm heading over to Castle Point for a day's fishing tomorrow |
| 03:11.44 | Guerin | it should, in principle, be awesome |
| 03:11.45 | Azar | Guerin: sounds like a wonderful life |
| 03:11.48 | thingfish | Guerin: what kinds of fish do you get? |
| 03:12.31 | Guerin | thingfish: mostly kahawai and blue and red cod; also gurnard, mackerel, occasional sharks/elephant fish |
| 03:12.44 | Guerin | tarakihi |
| 03:12.48 | Guerin | a variety |
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| 03:13.02 | Guerin | and eels |
| 03:13.17 | Guerin | eels are quite easy and rewarding |
| 03:13.21 | thingfish | yum |
| 03:13.22 | Rusty1 | from boat or shore? |
| 03:13.31 | thingfish | I hear eel is pretty good. |
| 03:13.44 | thingfish | Did I already say I've had eel only in sushi? |
| 03:14.24 | Guerin | Rusty1: shore. I was going to buy a rowboat or a canoe, but they're making my beach part of a marine reserve in October, so there's no point |
| 03:15.04 | Guerin | thingfish: eel is superb, if it's treated properly. Very rich and flavoursome - but it tastes like where you catch it,. so eels from different sources need different treatment |
| 03:15.37 | Arafangion | seriouslycgi: Depends on how prepared you are with fixing up bugs. Lenny, at least, will eventually become stable. |
| 03:15.37 | Arafangion | eels are nice provided they're not too soft and muddy. |
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| 03:15.52 | Guerin | instead of a boat, I'll probably buy a quad bike or something, so I can get around the coast further |
| 03:16.09 | Guerin | Arafangion: you can purge the muddy taste by keeping them in clean water for a few days |
| 03:16.22 | pm2 | As I'm fighting with slapd, I'm seeing on the console and in syslog messages like "slapd[5513] general protection rip:2b248e[more hex code] rsp:[hex codes] error:0" -- what might this mean> |
| 03:16.43 | Guerin | rking: whee! |
| 03:16.46 | seriouslycgi | Arafangion, im not too good with linux yet but i guess it might be a way to learn something |
| 03:17.03 | rking | Guerin: what do you think vegas's odds are on this one? |
| 03:17.44 | seriouslycgi | Arafangion, how full are the repos already for lenny? |
| 03:18.05 | rking | now that i think about it, `cp -a` would've been better than `mv`. |
| 03:18.09 | Guerin | rking: should be ok. ln should work with plain /lib |
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| 03:22.17 | Brayn | how to unzip .zip file in terminal ? |
| 03:22.22 | Brayn | the cmd ? |
| 03:22.26 | wulden | gunzip |
| 03:22.35 | liable | unzip |
| 03:22.37 | wulden | unzip |
| 03:22.53 | Brayn | ya working |
| 03:22.54 | Brayn | thnx |
| 03:23.12 | wulden | should have tried before you ask. |
| 03:23.21 | Brayn | well |
| 03:23.26 | wulden | i volunteer. |
| 03:23.28 | Brayn | i dont have any knolwedge. |
| 03:23.50 | cast | are you sure we should be letting you use a computer then :\ |
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| 03:24.10 | Brayn | anyway |
| 03:24.13 | Brayn | another question |
| 03:24.13 | wulden | cast, #debian is for nuts. |
| 03:24.25 | Brayn | how to move all files of a folder to .// ? |
| 03:24.25 | rking | Brayn: `man unzip` <-- first guess, `man -k unzip` <-- second guess, `apt-cache search unzip` <-- third guess. btw, see also: `zipinfo` |
| 03:24.36 | rking | what is .// supposed to be? |
| 03:24.40 | Brayn | umm |
| 03:24.42 | Brayn | back folder |
| 03:24.47 | rking | ../ |
| 03:24.49 | Brayn | sorry for poor english |
| 03:24.52 | Brayn | ../ |
| 03:24.53 | Brayn | yap |
| 03:25.07 | rking | mv * .. # no? |
| 03:25.09 | Brayn | yah done |
| 03:25.14 | Brayn | mv * ../ |
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| 03:27.45 | wulden | ? |
| 03:27.55 | cast | i hope this isn't important data :\ |
| 03:28.46 | rking | china_closet.accept(bull) |
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| 03:32.24 | toresbe | Hello... |
| 03:32.40 | toresbe | This is a problem I've found myself bothered with quite a lot, but I cannot find an immediate solution to... |
| 03:33.31 | toresbe | I have an NFS mount which has jammed on my server (simula). All the processes (including several days' worth of updatedb) are now frozen waiting for I/O. |
| 03:34.02 | Guerin | toresbe: WTF ! |
| 03:34.06 | toresbe | Guerin: o/ |
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| 03:34.13 | Guerin | toresbe: reboot! |
| 03:34.21 | toresbe | I cannot unmount and remount it, as the file system tentatively is in use, due to the updatedb processes... |
| 03:34.24 | Azar | :) Guerin to the rescue~ |
| 03:34.26 | toresbe | Guerin: I don't want to! |
| 03:34.37 | Guerin | toresbe: always making work for yourself ;) |
| 03:34.47 | toresbe | Guerin: :) |
| 03:35.04 | dondelelcaro | toresbe: in what way is the filesystem wedged? is there any hope of the server comming back? |
| 03:35.05 | toresbe | Guerin: It's a multi-user system, with a bunch of people having IRC in screens on it. |
| 03:35.07 | Guerin | toresbe: what options did you mount with? hard,intr? sync? |
| 03:35.17 | toresbe | dondelelcaro: the server *is* back, so I don't know quite why it hasn't unjammed. |
| 03:35.28 | Azar | < Guerin> toresbe wtf! eat your veggies! < toresbe> I don't want to! |
| 03:35.33 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:35.35 | toresbe | hah |
| 03:35.41 | dondelelcaro | toresbe: can you mount that filesystem elsewhere? |
| 03:35.43 | Guerin | he only likes lutefisk and knackebrod |
| 03:36.04 | toresbe | Guerin: lutefisk, ew, knekkebrød mmmm. |
| 03:36.10 | toresbe | fortran:/media/sdb1/bttemp on /mnt/fortran type nfs (rw,addr=10.0.0.11) |
| 03:36.30 | toresbe | (the 'bt' in 'bttemp' is not BitTorrent, btw.) |
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| 03:37.24 | toresbe | I'd do umount -f as per the umount man page, but that doesn't work (And I'm not running pre-2.1.116!) |
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| 03:37.58 | abrotman | is he allowed to ask questions? |
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| 03:38.38 | toresbe | root@simula:~# ps aux | grep SCREEN | cut -d\ -f1 | sort | uniq | wc -l |
| 03:38.38 | toresbe | 11 |
| 03:38.45 | rking | Cool, my live mv of /usr worked without a hitch, and my root dir's usage is back to manageable. |
| 03:38.46 | toresbe | more than I'd have reckoned with... |
| 03:38.55 | qwwqe | i'm running testing, but i changed the line in /etc/apt/sources.list from testing to unstable to get a package, and then changed it back, but now whenever i do `apt-cache search foo` all the unstable packages come up |
| 03:39.25 | qwwqe | i've tried deleting /var/cache/apt/, but they still show up |
| 03:39.40 | qwwqe | and i've done an apt-get update after changing it back |
| 03:40.37 | toresbe | qwwqe: You've now upgraded to unstable... |
| 03:40.55 | qwwqe | uh oh |
| 03:41.04 | qwwqe | how have i done that? |
| 03:41.06 | Azar | qwwqe: after you are changing the version in the sources.list, did you "upgraded" like in apt-get upgrade? |
| 03:41.09 | qwwqe | no |
| 03:41.13 | qwwqe | i just grabbed a package |
| 03:41.15 | qwwqe | and switched back |
| 03:41.22 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 03:41.22 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 03:41.38 | qwwqe | thanks |
| 03:41.51 | toresbe | aha, cool |
| 03:42.14 | Azar | stoned, you here? |
| 03:43.19 | Azar | nice playground sign, man kids in Belgium are having fun! http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Playground-Fun.aspx |
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| 03:47.30 | toresbe | I'd suspect the problem would be quitte common... |
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| 03:48.31 | toresbe | Hrm. Ironic. I can't run "fuser /mnt/fortran" ...because fuser has to stat files... |
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| 03:55.35 | toresbe | oh hey |
| 03:55.37 | toresbe | I figured it out! |
| 03:55.47 | toresbe | This might well be a bug in corutils, actually... |
| 03:55.56 | toresbe | it only gets the first two processes in a umount -f |
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| 04:12.26 | endra | Hey, you. |
| 04:12.58 | endra | You dirty dirty girl. |
| 04:12.58 | endra | I need some help. |
| 04:12.58 | Guerin | endra: you sure do. |
| 04:12.58 | endra | I know :( |
| 04:13.00 | endra | If I have like 30 avi files that I want to burn onto a DVD so that the DVD can play them |
| 04:13.02 | endra | How can I do this? |
| 04:13.10 | endra | Probably with a menu if possible.. |
| 04:13.19 | Guerin | endra: using dvd authoring software |
| 04:13.26 | Guerin | endra: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:13.27 | endra | Really? |
| 04:13.35 | endra | I want to know which software works |
| 04:13.36 | Guerin | endra: shocking, I know. But true. |
| 04:13.48 | Guerin | endra: then ask the gooracle |
| 04:13.53 | endra | And yes, I underscored-surrounded the word 'which' because it is important. |
| 04:13.55 | endra | It is a key word. |
| 04:13.59 | endra | or keyword. |
| 04:14.17 | endra | Unless you have a key which is in a shape of a word. |
| 04:14.21 | endra | In which case, it is a key word. |
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| 04:14.42 | Guerin | perhaps it's time to go and get that help now |
| 04:14.42 | cast | endra: that was by far the most curious opening statements ive heard today |
| 04:15.03 | endra | cast: :P |
| 04:15.31 | cast | your job is made easy if your dvd plays mpeg4 |
| 04:15.41 | endra | I have no idea if it does. |
| 04:15.45 | endra | Let me go check. |
| 04:16.11 | piztek | system is tahweeked! |
| 04:16.41 | endra | Okay. |
| 04:16.49 | endra | It is a noname dvd player. |
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| 04:17.08 | cast | the noname ones are pretty good at playing mpeg4 in my observations |
| 04:17.30 | endra | http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers/citizen-jdvd3838/3539 |
| 04:17.34 | endra | This might be it. No picture though. |
| 04:17.37 | endra | All I see on it is 'Citizen' |
| 04:17.54 | enveezee | look for the sticker with the model number :P |
| 04:18.00 | endra | Awesome idea. |
| 04:18.03 | endra | Let me go bend down. |
| 04:18.15 | Guerin | the eyeometer never fails |
| 04:18.18 | enveezee | heh |
| 04:18.57 | endra | Okay, model '4 HEAD' |
| 04:19.04 | cast | ahh that site reckons no divx |
| 04:19.05 | enveezee | heh |
| 04:19.11 | endra | Actually, it's C503DVC |
| 04:19.28 | enveezee | endra: let me guess this is a VCR/DVD combo deal? |
| 04:19.34 | endra | Yes! Supa deal! |
| 04:19.46 | enveezee | endra: yeah right.. and how long have you had it? |
| 04:19.52 | endra | Like 2 years |
| 04:19.53 | endra | . |
| 04:19.53 | endra | <endra> All I see on it is 'Citizen' |
| 04:19.58 | endra | ..? |
| 04:20.00 | endra | I didn't paste that. |
| 04:20.05 | enveezee | endra: interesting I never heard of one lasting that long |
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| 04:20.13 | cast | nope, no mpeg4 for you. |
| 04:20.13 | endra | Actually, 2 years now. |
| 04:21.01 | endra | Maybe even 3. Not sure to be honest. But a long time. |
| 04:21.12 | endra | How do you know that I have no mpeg4? |
| 04:21.17 | endra | Google returns 8 sites. |
| 04:21.40 | cast | oh. because it has a VCR built in and that videohelp site listed a player which i think was it, with no divx |
| 04:22.25 | endra | They trixed us, masta :( |
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| 04:24.26 | endra | Okay, ffmpeg it is for us. |
| 04:24.34 | endra | Thank you, everybody. |
| 04:24.45 | endra | Even you, ChanServ. Even you. |
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| 04:26.36 | endra | Even you, slakmagi1. |
| 04:26.40 | enveezee | what about debhelper? |
| 04:27.11 | endra | Is it written in visual basic? |
| 04:27.15 | enveezee | hah, no |
| 04:27.19 | endra | Then yes, even debhelper. |
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| 04:27.43 | enveezee | endra: debhelper is an eggdrop bot written in C |
| 04:27.53 | endra | Informative. I'll alert the media. |
| 04:28.01 | Guerin | They care. |
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| 04:28.53 | hardbop200 | I'm building out a really low-budget laptop (500 mhz, 64 mb ram), but would like to run evilwm on it. are there any "lighter" alts to xorg that I could try out? |
| 04:29.26 | endra | Out of curiousity, why would you build such a cheap laptop? |
| 04:29.52 | Guerin | hardbop200: not really, unless you want to go way the hell back to x 3.x |
| 04:29.57 | hardbop200 | endra: I probably should have said, "I'm installing linux on a laptop that was given to me." |
| 04:30.06 | Rebecca | lol |
| 04:30.14 | endra | Yes, probably. |
| 04:30.16 | Guerin | hardbop200: must the laptop be standalone, or could you use it as a terminal? |
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| 04:30.35 | Guerin | 500mhz is sweet, you probably just want a little more ram |
| 04:30.40 | endra | More ram is good. |
| 04:30.50 | endra | I have a 450mhz machine that runs Debian etch w/ KDE. |
| 04:30.57 | endra | It has 320MB of ram though. |
| 04:31.08 | hardbop200 | Guerin: I hadn't thought of that, but that's a really good idea...I was just going to use it as a "sit in bed and chat" box, but a terminal would be fun to do |
| 04:31.11 | endra | Yes it does, my precious. |
| 04:31.15 | cast | endra: man...kde is to slow for my smp 2ghz 2gb box... |
| 04:31.27 | Guerin | hardbop200: it would negate the need for more ram, also |
| 04:31.33 | endra | cast: why do you assume I am a man? |
| 04:31.34 | v`nix | how is kde slow? |
| 04:31.37 | hardbop200 | true... |
| 04:31.38 | Guerin | cast: only if you have all the chrome turned on |
| 04:31.44 | v`nix | im on a 1.5 laptop and kde runs so smooth |
| 04:31.52 | cast | i like the instantness of e16 :) |
| 04:31.55 | endra | These days, ghz mean nothing. |
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| 04:32.18 | endra | What they need is a ranking system from 0 and on. 0 being the slowest. |
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| 04:32.32 | hardbop200 | Guerin: I'll do the rtfm stuff, but one quick question - does the laptop have to do the whole tfpt thing to be a terminal, or can it boot normally and then run X from the server? |
| 04:32.38 | Guerin | endra: yet more made-up numbers. I can see how that would help. |
| 04:32.57 | endra | e.g. Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0ghz ranks '45', while AMD Turion 64 X2 2.0ghz ranks '40'. |
| 04:33.07 | Guerin | hardbop200: the latter. read the xdmcp howto on tldp, and make sure there's no firewall between terminal and server |
| 04:33.11 | endra | Guerin, meaning, that the core 2 duo processes more per cycle than the turion. |
| 04:33.23 | endra | And no, numbers will not be made up, silly. |
| 04:33.24 | cast | endra: i start sentences with 'man...' regardless of gender, but in here the assumption that everyone is a man is pretty accurate :) |
| 04:33.27 | Guerin | endra: meaningless numbers are meaningless, no matter how you slice them. |
| 04:33.33 | hardbop200 | Guerin: I'll get right on it, thanks for the great tip :) |
| 04:33.43 | endra | Guerin: How are they meaningless if I just gave you a meaning to them? |
| 04:34.20 | Guerin | endra: the point is that your meaning may or may not have any relationship to any actual performance indicator. It's just an arbitrary rating system. We already have several of those. |
| 04:34.34 | Guerin | and they're all next to worthless |
| 04:34.42 | endra | I just said it will be how much it can process per cycle. |
| 04:34.55 | endra | The more it processes, the faster it is. |
| 04:34.55 | Guerin | endra: impossible to measure definitively. |
| 04:34.58 | dondelelcaro | how long is a cycle? how much of is what? |
| 04:35.27 | endra | dondelelcaro: a cycle is a type of tick. 2.0ghz is.. 2 billion cycles per second? |
| 04:35.29 | dondelelcaro | benchmarks on anything but the actual process you'll be using a computer for are worthless |
| 04:35.30 | endra | I really don't know. |
| 04:36.09 | Guerin | endra: now, the truth finally emerges. |
| 04:36.09 | endra | The truth? Which truth? |
| 04:36.09 | Guerin | 16:35:39 < endra> I really don't know. |
| 04:36.10 | endra | Yes, what exactly a ghz is. |
| 04:36.12 | Guerin | the most meaningful statement on this topic so far |
| 04:36.32 | endra | Yes. Sure |
| 04:36.38 | cast | how does the scale differentiate between say, a cpu that is really good at integer operations, but sucks at floating point, in a single number? you'd have to give a weighting, at which point you start assuming something about the nature of the programs people use. which is my problem :\. i wouldn't mind a big series of measurements though |
| 04:37.06 | endra | I still think they should give it a rank depending on speed. |
| 04:37.35 | endra | What good is it when you know how fast a wheel turns, but don't know the size of the wheel to cover the distance? |
| 04:38.09 | dondelelcaro | endra: it's still not good enough, because you have no idea whether the wheel is connected to the ground, the coefficient of friction, the type of surface, etc. |
| 04:38.32 | endra | dondelelcaro: I understand, but it is a step forward. |
| 04:39.32 | dondelelcaro | endra: it's like knowing 2 out of n variables in an equation; it's a step forward from knowing 0, but it's just as worthless as figuring out the final answer. |
| 04:40.03 | dondelelcaro | far better to just measure the final answer. |
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| 04:40.17 | endra | .. So measure the final answer instead damn it |
| 04:40.31 | dondelelcaro | endra: yes, but that's dependent on what you're using the CPU for... |
| 04:40.37 | karsten | OTOH, if you know what the final answer is and you're looking for what to tweak to optimize it, finding out how fast the wheel is turning and/or what size it is may be useful. |
| 04:40.49 | karsten | here. |
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| 04:49.44 | pauligit | anybody here knows how to initiate beryl under Debian Live? I've got an NVIDIA card |
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| 05:02.53 | omercnet | my box stopped responding and was hard resetted, how can I tell what went wrong? /var/log/messages dosen't have anything useful |
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| 05:03.32 | Wyzard | omercnet: If nothing was logged then you probably can't, afaik |
| 05:03.49 | Wyzard | omercnet: It could be a hardware problem like overheating or something |
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| 05:08.10 | cast | hmm, can one run the install routine from debian live? i know i could run debootstrap |
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| 05:19.14 | maddash | !java |
| 05:19.14 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. ask me about <non-free> |
| 05:19.31 | maddash | !install java |
| 05:19.32 | dpkg | methinks install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 05:19.51 | Vasistha | !tell maddash -about msg the bot |
| 05:20.07 | maddash | !thanks |
| 05:20.08 | dpkg | sure thing, maddash |
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| 05:24.01 | Gigantic | *boo |
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| 05:24.43 | hobophobe | am I correct in thinking if I want to try another wm I should move the init script out of /etc/init.d and move the new one in? |
| 05:25.31 | Gigantic | hobophobe: no |
| 05:25.48 | hobophobe | Ah |
| 05:25.57 | Gigantic | you can choose the WM in KDM or GDM |
| 05:26.14 | Gigantic | unless you want to change that too but there's no need to do that either |
| 05:27.09 | Gigantic | heh... that was ambiguous... |
| 05:27.23 | Gigantic | hobophobe: What do you currently have? |
| 05:27.29 | hobophobe | Yeah.. I think the 'window manager' is what I'm saying wrong. I mean I want to try not using gdm for testing purposes |
| 05:27.29 | Gigantic | KDE or Gnome or else? |
| 05:27.32 | hobophobe | Gnome |
| 05:27.41 | Vasistha | hobophobe: Well, there's /etc/X11/default-display-manager if you want to switch dm's |
| 05:27.55 | Gigantic | ah, well you can switch to kdm or xdm then |
| 05:28.17 | Gigantic | right |
| 05:28.35 | hobophobe | okay, cool. Trying to see if gdm is eating my display or if it's the driver or xorg |
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| 05:30.40 | Vasistha | Gigantic: hi! Should I remember you? |
| 05:31.25 | Gigantic | no with this nick... |
| 05:31.45 | Gigantic | but doesn't care :) |
| 05:31.59 | Gigantic | just greeting drunkily |
| 05:32.39 | hobophobe | Okay going to test,.. thanks |
| 05:33.40 | Vasistha | Gigantic: I think Gigantic is a better nick :) |
| 05:34.43 | Gigantic | Vasistha: What's inside is what counts ;) |
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| 05:35.35 | Vasistha | Gigantic: true, but what's outside often has an effect on other people! |
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| 05:36.32 | Gigantic | Vasistha: Very true, "In your light, we shall see light" |
| 05:36.40 | Gigantic | err: if |
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| 05:38.39 | maximi89 | hi |
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| 05:42.34 | cast | hey maximi89 |
| 05:43.07 | maximi89 | tell me |
| 05:43.09 | maximi89 | :P |
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| 05:44.38 | cast | ..tell you...anything? |
| 05:45.20 | maximi89 | uhmm i have problems with Wine 0.9.38 |
| 05:45.30 | maximi89 | the FPS with Counter-strike |
| 05:45.39 | maximi89 | i'm getting 16 now |
| 05:45.53 | maximi89 | and with the Wine 0.9.35 i just with 100 or 60 |
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| 05:46.08 | cast | i see you're problem. |
| 05:46.17 | cast | your* |
| 05:46.36 | King_Brad | okay, i have a rather dumb question, how do i set the date on a console based debian install? |
| 05:46.43 | Vasistha | maximi89: probably ask #wine |
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| 05:47.12 | alaya_ | date for system clock, hwclock for hardware clock |
| 05:47.22 | King_Brad | mmmmm system |
| 05:47.22 | Vasistha | !tell King_Brad about set time |
| 05:47.29 | King_Brad | ty Vasistha |
| 05:47.43 | cast | King_Brad: ntpdate pool.ntp.net |
| 05:47.54 | alaya_ | also can install ntpdate to sync it |
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| 05:48.07 | cast | King_Brad: ntpdate pool.ntp.org even :> |
| 05:48.12 | maximi89 | but i'm asking in Winehq, but nobody know how reapir it |
| 05:48.32 | maximi89 | some think can be an error with ALSA, but this is disable |
| 05:48.50 | cast | maximi89: well you're unlikely to get much help here, for a variety of reasons |
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| 05:49.01 | maximi89 | yep i know |
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| 05:49.08 | maximi89 | because is a channel for debian |
| 05:49.15 | cast | are you using debian? |
| 05:49.18 | maximi89 | and nobody know or use Wine |
| 05:49.22 | maximi89 | really nop |
| 05:49.28 | maximi89 | i need a DVD for install it |
| 05:49.28 | cast | what do you use? |
| 05:49.37 | maximi89 | i just using Ubuntu 6.10 jejeje |
| 05:49.42 | maximi89 | :/ |
| 05:49.49 | cast | :\ |
| 05:49.51 | Vasistha | !ubuntu |
| 05:49.51 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 05:50.19 | maximi89 | xD |
| 05:50.20 | maximi89 | wuajaja |
| 05:50.21 | maximi89 | xD |
| 05:50.33 | maximi89 | "more than it already is" |
| 05:50.33 | Gigantic | :| |
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| 05:50.57 | maximi89 | jejeje that is really funny! |
| 05:51.06 | maximi89 | :P ok i go to ask to gamers xD |
| 05:51.38 | maximi89 | guys i have a real question |
| 05:51.47 | maximi89 | how is the Debian etch for 64bits? |
| 05:52.00 | maximi89 | with wine, flash, and other things |
| 05:52.19 | cast | amd64 port of etch works fine. you need to setup flash if you want to use that, in a chroot or other manner |
| 05:52.30 | Vasistha | maximi89: it's mixed. There's still a lot of software that doesn't run natively in 64-bit mode. However the linux kernel is good. |
| 05:52.43 | maximi89 | with 64bits, it's possible use programs of 32bits, like games or other things |
| 05:52.57 | Vasistha | maximi89: are you asking, "is it possible?" |
| 05:53.07 | maximi89 | but i can get run the 32bits with chroot? |
| 05:53.34 | cast | if its free software you wont have any issues with 64bit. its nonfree software like flash, etc...thats behind with the times |
| 05:54.06 | maximi89 | i don't understand at all the english, because i speak spanish xD |
| 05:54.23 | maximi89 | i go to eat something and i back maybe... |
| 05:54.38 | cat | maximi89: then join #debian-es |
| 05:55.31 | cast | he already did. |
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| 05:57.19 | Decepticon | ive got this mounted share "//larryrogers/SharedDocs on /mnt/larry type smbfs (rw)" that im trying to "sudo umount /mnt/larry" but im getting the message "umount: /mnt/larry: device is busy" |
| 05:57.38 | Decepticon | what do i gotta do to unmount it |
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| 05:57.53 | piztek_ | whoa |
| 05:57.57 | piztek | whoa |
| 05:58.10 | Vasistha | Decepticon: usually that means that some of its files are in use. One thing you can do is a "lazy umount" which means that it will be umounted as soon as all the files are no longer being used. |
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| 05:58.17 | piztek | lol, is wols here? |
| 05:58.20 | piztek | wols_: ? |
| 05:58.37 | maximi89 | yep |
| 05:58.39 | Decepticon | Vasistha anyway i can check what files are in use and what process is using what? |
| 05:58.39 | maximi89 | i back |
| 05:58.49 | cast | lsof lists open files |
| 05:58.49 | piztek | this is wols? |
| 05:59.05 | Vasistha | Decepticon: Keep in mind that if you have a file browser open, or a shell open with the mount point in its path, that can cause the device busy message as well |
| 05:59.11 | Decepticon | the thing is //larryrogers is no longer available |
| 05:59.19 | Decepticon | so im wondering how is it busy |
| 05:59.21 | maximi89 | cat, the problem with #debian-es is that people don't know much |
| 05:59.22 | maximi89 | xD |
| 05:59.24 | Decepticon | if theres nothing to access |
| 05:59.32 | maximi89 | or don't say nothing |
| 05:59.56 | Vasistha | Decepticon: well, that means that the processes that were using files there still have those files marked as "open" even if they can't actually access them |
| 06:00.02 | maximi89 | after of ask here i ask in -es but nothing... |
| 06:00.26 | Vasistha | maximi89: well, it's not really the best time of day |
| 06:00.41 | Decepticon | how do i do this 'lazy umount' then |
| 06:00.49 | Vasistha | Decepticon: man mount |
| 06:01.40 | Decepticon | well lsof doesnt show anything to do with /mnt/larry |
| 06:02.00 | Decepticon | so what exactly is the problem |
| 06:02.06 | cast | wow, something in my network sucks. i'm only getting 10Mbit |
| 06:02.07 | Vasistha | Decepticon: erm, rather, man umount |
| 06:02.41 | Vasistha | Decepticon: like I said -- it could be that you have a shell open that has /mnt/larry in its path |
| 06:03.01 | Decepticon | hm |
| 06:03.17 | piztek | Vasistha: help me get the nvidia driver working |
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| 06:03.24 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 06:03.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:03.29 | piztek | Vasistha: can you i man? |
| 06:03.39 | piztek | mean* |
| 06:03.53 | Decepticon | well i dunno it worked now when i tried randomly |
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| 06:04.00 | Decepticon | i didnt have to lazy umount |
| 06:04.02 | Vasistha | piztek: I've never owned an nvidia card or used 3d graphics, but someone in the channel might be able to help you. noone can help you if you don't ask your question |
| 06:04.12 | cinvoke | can someone help me find my sound card driver. Also how do i see what sound card my system is using? |
| 06:04.25 | piztek | how do i get the glx started or whatever modprobe starts |
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| 06:04.26 | Vasistha | cinvoke: try lspci |
| 06:04.32 | piztek | the kernel? |
| 06:04.47 | piztek | something about modprove nvidia as root |
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| 06:04.58 | Vasistha | !nvidia one-liner |
| 06:04.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 06:05.26 | piztek | Vasistha: okay the error is FATAL: Module nvidia not found |
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| 06:05.50 | piztek | but is this because i'm using the nv driver currently? |
| 06:05.52 | cat | piztek: download the drivers from nvidia.com |
| 06:05.53 | Vasistha | piztek: well ... did you apt-get install nvidia-kernel.....whatever that is? |
| 06:06.04 | Vasistha | !nvidia |
| 06:06.05 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 06:06.05 | piztek | yeah it's all installed |
| 06:06.19 | cat | piztek: do modprobe nvidia |
| 06:06.36 | piztek | cat i do and it says FATAL: Module nvidia not found |
| 06:06.45 | piztek | but i'm using the nv driver currently, is that why? |
| 06:07.03 | cat | piztek: you're not using nvidia you're using nv |
| 06:07.17 | piztek | that's what i said, nv |
| 06:07.39 | cinvoke | vasistha: AC'97 Audio Controller is what pspci is saying |
| 06:08.01 | Decepticon | how do i stop a sshfs mounted volume |
| 06:08.15 | Decepticon | other than killing the process |
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| 06:08.30 | piztek | cat: but i had it working before, then updated to lilo and rebooted and the problem was there |
| 06:08.35 | sanxiyn | Hi, |
| 06:08.44 | cinvoke | vasistha: sorry, i meant lspci. also says ich4,ich4-L. and ich4-m |
| 06:09.17 | sanxiyn | Google shows me there are quite a few people experiencing "ioctl_internal_command" error in dmesg for USB keys, |
| 06:09.33 | sanxiyn | But nobody seems to know where to report them and how these should be fixed. |
| 06:09.34 | sanxiyn | Any idea? |
| 06:09.39 | cat | piztek: try installing it again, |
| 06:09.46 | Vasistha | cinvoke: well, so, what are you trying to do? The kernel should have automatically detected it. lsmod to verify that the module has been loaded (ac97_codec I assume) |
| 06:09.58 | sanxiyn | Namely |
| 06:09.59 | sanxiyn | sd 1:0:0:0: ioctl_internal_command return code = 8000002 |
| 06:10.00 | sanxiyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.00 | sanxiyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.17 | piztek | cat: okay, i'll try that, but i remember this happeneing before, and loading some nvidia module fixed it |
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| 06:10.30 | cat | piztek: ? |
| 06:10.51 | cat | piztek: try reading http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 06:10.55 | piztek | like before when this happened all i had to do was start something |
| 06:11.00 | piztek | dang i need wols_ here |
| 06:11.19 | Vasistha | piztek: why don't you search your irc logs? |
| 06:11.44 | Vasistha | Decepticon: those can be a pita ... I've usually just ended up killing the process :P |
| 06:12.03 | sanxiyn | Anyone any idea? |
| 06:12.05 | Decepticon | alright then, kill -9 by thy medicine |
| 06:12.20 | Vasistha | Decepticon: well, maybe not so quickly... |
| 06:12.28 | cat | sanxiyn: what are you trying to do |
| 06:12.28 | sanxiyn | This seems to be related, but no answer: http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/11/16/351 |
| 06:12.35 | Vasistha | Decepticon: rather than 9, first try -15, then try -2, then try -1 |
| 06:12.35 | piztek | okay well until wols gets back i'm gunna ask if anyone knows how to move between images at the lilo screen |
| 06:12.37 | cinvoke | vasistha: http://paste.debian.net/29502 |
| 06:12.45 | Decepticon | Vasistha alright |
| 06:13.00 | sanxiyn | cat: I want to get rid of error messages when I connect USB flash drive to the laptop. |
| 06:13.11 | cat | just ignored them |
| 06:13.13 | sanxiyn | cat: See above LKML post, which seems to be the same problem. |
| 06:13.15 | sanxiyn | cat: Bah. |
| 06:13.45 | cinvoke | vasistha: i would like to find a driver . For some reason my sound isnt playing |
| 06:14.08 | sanxiyn | cat: Should I mail linux-usb-devel? |
| 06:14.15 | cat | why would you? |
| 06:14.25 | sanxiyn | cat: To fix this problem. |
| 06:14.26 | Vasistha | cinvoke: check lines 45 and 46 of your paste. it looks like the driver is loaded. Sound probably isn't playing because you need to unmute it in the mixer. |
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| 06:14.36 | sanxiyn | cat: Apparently, this Iomega Mini 1Gb USB key problem was fixed. |
| 06:14.44 | sanxiyn | This seems to be hardware quirk. |
| 06:14.48 | cat | is there any bugs? |
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| 06:15.04 | sanxiyn | cat: There is mention of Iomega Mini 1Gb USB key in the kernel source code. |
| 06:15.07 | cat | first you need to check if there's any bug on it. |
| 06:15.17 | cat | there is? |
| 06:15.17 | sanxiyn | cat: Where do I check? Kernel bugzilla? |
| 06:15.24 | sanxiyn | cat: Yes. Wait a min. |
| 06:15.27 | cat | ? |
| 06:16.03 | sanxiyn | cat: Check drivers/usb/storage/unusual_devs.h in your kernel tree. |
| 06:16.15 | sanxiyn | cat: Search for Iomega. |
| 06:16.30 | sanxiyn | cat: I think my device needs similar entry. |
| 06:16.40 | cat | hmmm |
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| 06:17.42 | artagnon | the kernel sources are associated with which package? |
| 06:17.47 | sanxiyn | (This is Prolific Technology, Inc. USBFlashDisk.) |
| 06:17.52 | sanxiyn | artagnon: linux-source-(version). |
| 06:17.53 | artagnon | NOT headers, I mean the kernel source itself |
| 06:17.58 | cat | wait sanxiyn |
| 06:18.12 | artagnon | sanxiyn: thanks |
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| 06:18.42 | cinvoke | vasistha: no, nothing seems to be muted in mixer |
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| 06:19.01 | Vasistha | !alsa |
| 06:19.02 | dpkg | i heard alsa is http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
| 06:19.17 | Vasistha | ^^^ cinvoke: check out those links ^^^ |
| 06:19.40 | Vasistha | (erm, and the factoids) /msg dpkg alsa-checklist (and) /msg dpkg alsa install |
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| 06:20.07 | sanxiyn | cat: Yes, the message seems to be harmless, but you don't want the message repeating over and over on your dmesg. |
| 06:20.23 | hark | cinvoke: ubuntu might do it differently |
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| 06:20.57 | dutchfish | what was the name of the console regex builder again? i forgot |
| 06:20.59 | phpeval | what was the name of the console regex builder again? i forgot |
| 06:20.59 | cat | sanxiyn: indeed you dont |
| 06:20.59 | phpeval | sanxiyn: indeed you dont |
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| 06:21.15 | sanxiyn | phpeval: go away |
| 06:21.16 | phpeval | phpeval: go away |
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| 06:21.26 | cat | phpeval: lamer |
| 06:21.27 | phpeval | phpeval: lamer |
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| 06:21.29 | Vasistha | !ops phpeval is repeating what people say, perhaps a bot |
| 06:21.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: vasistha complains about: phpeval is repeating what people say, perhaps a bot |
| 06:21.30 | phpeval | !ops phpeval is repeating what people say, perhaps a bot |
| 06:21.30 | phpeval | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: vasistha complains about: phpeval is repeating what people say, perhaps a bot |
| 06:21.34 | Vasistha | hehehe |
| 06:21.40 | cat | damn lamer |
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| 06:22.50 | sanxiyn | cat: This is anothe report (again without any reply) of the same problem: http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/9/7/234 |
| 06:22.56 | gpm | are the majority of DDs programmers? sysadmins? |
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| 06:25.00 | dutchfish | sanxiyn, 1 q: do you have yealink driver loaded? |
| 06:25.00 | Vasistha | gpm: hmm, I've not really heard of any statistics being kept as to the occupations of DD's ... some might exist, I suppose. I'm sure there are all sorts |
| 06:25.38 | gpm | i wonder because looking at a bunch of orphaned packages i saw a lot of "I was also upstream, so you'd have to take care of that too." |
| 06:25.44 | gpm | i immediately felt underqualified |
| 06:25.51 | gpm | to even think of trying to maintain something |
| 06:26.34 | Vasistha | gpm: well, part of maintenance, of course, is security updates, and that's going to take some programming skill. |
| 06:26.45 | sanxiyn | dutchfish: lsmod | grep yealink shows nothing. |
| 06:26.51 | Matt_O | does anyone remember that when connecting to a remote host via PPP (with a dial-up modem for example) that you could make it so the remote host appeared to be on your LAN? (ie other machines on the LAN could p ing the remote host without setting a gateway) I have been trying to find info on how to do this again and can't find it anywhere. I don't think it is the same as the bridging stuff that I am finding all over the place now... any |
| 06:26.51 | Matt_O | one know where I can read up on this? |
| 06:27.18 | Vasistha | !ipmasq |
| 06:27.18 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 06:27.25 | dutchfish | sanxiyn, ok, i had simular problems with 2.6.20-8 and yealink related |
| 06:27.27 | Vasistha | Matt_O: ^^^ maybe that's what you want? |
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| 06:27.32 | sanxiyn | dutchfish: Wow. |
| 06:27.33 | phpeval | dutchfish: Wow. |
| 06:27.38 | gpm | Vasistha: i wish i could maintain something like sl |
| 06:27.39 | phpeval | Vasistha: i wish i could maintain something like sl |
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| 06:27.52 | gpm | wtf? |
| 06:28.03 | Matt_O | Vasistha, hmmm I have used ip masq for NAT only... I don't think that's what I was using before.. maybe I should look at what else it can do again |
| 06:28.08 | sanxiyn | dutchfish: Apparently there are people experiencing this problem, some of them even post to LKML, but I didn't find any reply so far. |
| 06:28.47 | dutchfish | sanxiyn, i mail directly to developer of yealink.c but alas no replys whatsoever, i finally gave up |
| 06:28.53 | Vasistha | gpm: what is sl? |
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| 06:29.15 | gpm | Vasistha: it displays a little ascii train |
| 06:29.39 | sanxiyn | dutchfish: That's USB phone? Is it "driverless" one? |
| 06:29.43 | gpm | Vasistha: to discourage you from typing sl instead of ls, i guess |
| 06:30.02 | dutchfish | sanxiyn, yup, no, its a tiptel phone |
| 06:30.22 | Vasistha | gpm: have you checked out the debian new maintainer's guide? |
| 06:30.40 | sanxiyn | dutchfish: I mean, some USB devices advertise themselves as USB storage device, with driver files for Windows. |
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| 06:30.43 | HiDebian | Hello, I am now logging all conversations in this channel. |
| 06:30.49 | gpm | Vasistha: yeah, but i seriously don't know any languages beyond a little bash scripting, some lisp, and a very small amount of perl |
| 06:30.59 | dutchfish | sanxiyn, turns out that the manufacturer uses sam guid's for all kind of models, so udev cant make sense out of it |
| 06:31.16 | dutchfish | sam = same* |
| 06:31.52 | Vasistha | gpm: what's your motivation for wanting to do this? Do you just want to help the debian project, or is there a package that you use that you don't want to see disappear, or....? |
| 06:32.11 | dutchfish | sanxiyn, according to the refs, uid's should be unique for usb devices, it isnt with those phones |
| 06:32.20 | Matt_O | Vasistha, I think what I was looking for is ProxyARP |
| 06:32.23 | Matt_O | I just found it :) |
| 06:32.23 | gpm | Vasistha: i want to help. |
| 06:32.27 | gpm | and glory :P |
| 06:32.50 | Vasistha | gpm: well, there are actually quite a number of ways you can help, other than by maintaining packages... |
| 06:33.00 | gpm | yeah |
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| 06:33.17 | HiDebian | Hello, I am now logging all conversations in this channel. |
| 06:33.28 | gpm | all the stuff i could write documentation on has already been documented more intelligently though |
| 06:33.31 | sussudio | oh no you're not. |
| 06:33.34 | gpm | so i just come in here and try to help |
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| 06:33.52 | gpm | emphasis on try |
| 06:33.55 | Vasistha | HiDebian: lots of us do. Are you planning on posting those logs publicly? |
| 06:33.55 | HiDebian | lots of us do. Are you planning on posting those logs publicly? |
| 06:34.20 | sussudio | !ops HiDebian annoying bot that repeats what people say to it |
| 06:34.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: sussudio complains about: HiDebian annoying bot that repeats what people say to it |
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| 06:34.31 | Bogaurd|Work | are thing in /etc/network/if-up.d/ executed when a PPP comes up too? or do these things needed to specifically added to /etc/ppp/if-up.d/? |
| 06:35.12 | starz | !defrag |
| 06:35.12 | dpkg | i guess defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html, or a respawn in a multiplayer game |
| 06:35.35 | xingu | Bogaurd|Work: from memory there might be a script in ppp that does a run-parts over network |
| 06:35.54 | Bogaurd|Work | hmm |
| 06:35.58 | Bogaurd|Work | thanks xingu |
| 06:36.01 | Bogaurd|Work | i'll check it out |
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| 06:37.15 | dutchfish | sanxiyn, for your info, the code for accesing mem-cards through usb from a HP 2840 works flawlessly with the same udev |
| 06:38.00 | Bogaurd|Work | xingu, hmm, doesnt look like it. |
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| 06:38.59 | xingu | Bogaurd|Work: that should answer your question then; there's a simple directive in pppd config that points at single scripts for the various up/down/pre-up/pre-down |
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| 06:39.16 | cast | weird. could get gig eth working over cross over, but for some reason it would take a dump and stop working a few seconds later |
| 06:39.22 | xingu | Bogaurd|Work: that usually lives in /etc/ppp (I'm doing this from memory, I last cared about ppp four+ years ago |
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| 06:39.32 | sanxiyn | cat, dutchfish: Apparently https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=162559 is the same problem. |
| 06:39.45 | xingu | Bogaurd|Work: that simple script should, I think, be calling run-parts over the ppp if-*.d/ dir |
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| 06:40.00 | xingu | Bogaurd|Work: if the network scripts are run at all - this will be what runs it. |
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| 06:40.27 | HiDebian | Hello |
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| 06:40.37 | HiDebian2 | Hello |
| 06:40.41 | dutchfish | sanxiyn, looks like a bug related for the U3 sticks (wich i have managed to get a work-around) |
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| 06:40.50 | Kassah | is there a way to spy an another ssh session from root? |
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| 06:40.54 | HiDebian3 | Hello |
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| 06:41.05 | sanxiyn | dutchfish: What is the workaround? |
| 06:41.20 | cast | Kassah: naturally |
| 06:41.47 | dutchfish | sanxiyn, i have flashed the U3 stack with a faulty bin file (all 00FF) |
| 06:42.00 | GeneralK | I'm getting a Kernel panic when I try to boot the netinst CD. :( |
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| 06:42.01 | HiDebian | PRIVMSG Goodbye |
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| 06:42.11 | HiDebian | Hello |
| 06:42.25 | dutchfish | sanxiyn, the linux only sees it as a mountable device, not as a device & cdrom |
| 06:42.26 | HiDebian | PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG #Debian :PRIVMSG Goodbye |
| 06:42.27 | Vasistha | !ops please ban n=HiDebian@ip72-205-16-175.dc.dc.cox.net !!! |
| 06:42.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: vasistha complains about: please ban n=HiDebian@ip72-205-16-175.dc.dc.cox.net !!! |
| 06:42.36 | dutchfish | this is getting annoying |
| 06:42.41 | xingu | !sunday |
| 06:42.42 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 06:43.32 | liable | RockerMONO: turn your stupid bot of |
| 06:43.34 | xingu | hmm, silence needs an inverse, that stops my privmsg reaching a given mask |
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| 06:43.43 | Kassah | HiDebian : please leave... your IRC client is causing garbage to the channel. USe a standard client, like X-Chat |
| 06:43.44 | kairu0 | hey all |
| 06:43.58 | RockerMONO | GOD DAMNIT WTF IS WITH THIS PEICE OF CRAP COMPUTER! -.- |
| 06:44.00 | RockerMONO | sorry, hang on |
| 06:44.24 | RockerMONO | -.- |
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| 06:44.52 | liable | thank you |
| 06:44.52 | RockerMONO | wtf |
| 06:44.59 | RockerMONO | oh it FINALLY signed off |
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| 06:45.59 | sussudio | ... |
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| 06:46.05 | Kassah | cast: any ideas? I allowed a support tech onto my server... and I wish to monitor what their doing |
| 06:46.10 | Gigantic | why the heck ar you not banning? |
| 06:46.25 | liable | because we arent ops |
| 06:46.50 | JosefAssad | plus, maybe we like it |
| 06:46.56 | Gigantic | mm. tought you were one |
| 06:46.58 | cast | Kassah: support tech for... |
| 06:47.06 | Gigantic | JosefAssad: sadic |
| 06:47.11 | JosefAssad | heh |
| 06:47.17 | Kassah | cast: Plesk... because I accidentally half way uninstalled it |
| 06:47.33 | Vasistha | Gigantic: /quote chanserv access #debian list |
| 06:47.41 | simonrvn | what a dumbass |
| 06:47.53 | Kassah | cast: I don't need support for Debian problems... but encoded PHP I can't debug... but I want to make sure he's not screwing with non-plesk stuff |
| 06:47.58 | GeneralK | I'm trying to install with the netinst CD but when I try to boot it I get '<0> Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!+' and a lot of other stuff I can't make any sense of. Anyone able to help? (I don't know what parts of the kernel panic message are important) |
| 06:48.30 | Kassah | cast: or at least know what he did so I can go in and fix it |
| 06:48.41 | Vasistha | GeneralK: what kinda system are you attempting to install on? |
| 06:48.45 | xingu | Kassah: aide pre and post. |
| 06:48.46 | cast | Kassah: setup a backup of the system, run a diff afterwards :) |
| 06:49.03 | xingu | Kassah: "it's the only way to be sure" |
| 06:49.12 | dutchfish | Kassah, .history is your friend, you can tail - f it ;) |
| 06:49.16 | cast | well unless he cripples aide ^_^ |
| 06:49.26 | GeneralK | Vasistha: Athlon XP 3000+ with an 80 gig ata hard drive and 1 gig of RAM. What specifics do you wanna know? |
| 06:49.32 | xingu | cast: difficult to do if the sums are stored on a usb key that you've removed. |
| 06:49.48 | Kassah | dutchfish: hmm.. .file not found... does it automatically get created from a bash shell? |
| 06:50.23 | Kassah | well I'll be able to check out .bash_history after he leaves |
| 06:50.27 | dutchfish | Kassah, man history |
| 06:50.44 | xingu | some of the plonkers I work with set HISTSIZE=0 in their soe |
| 06:50.47 | cast | seriously diff the system :\ |
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| 06:51.02 | cast | and. why the hell is my 100mbit network now going at 0.1mbit |
| 06:51.03 | Kassah | cast: well... it'd be easier if I had a complete backup... |
| 06:51.11 | Kassah | cast: I have certain parts I can do that for... |
| 06:51.21 | cast | Kassah: well make a complete backup :\ |
| 06:51.26 | Vasistha | GeneralK: oh, that's probably enough. Doubt I can help you myself, but I thought I'd get the question out there to see if you have something exotic. |
| 06:51.36 | dutchfish | xingu, yes, had that ones too, but that can be easely corrected |
| 06:51.46 | Kassah | cast: tar -cvf complete.tar / ? |
| 06:51.49 | GeneralK | Vasistha: Nah, nothing at all exotic really. |
| 06:51.52 | xingu | dutchfish: I wish it could be corrected via a pink slip in this case |
| 06:52.04 | cast | Kassah: skip /proc and /tmp and /sys |
| 06:52.08 | xingu | dutchfish: they don't even know *why* they're doing it any more, it's just done because it's always been done |
| 06:52.08 | roxy_ | xingu: morning. you help me yesterday set up wifi. It was working fine, but this morning it is not working again. I just rebooted. |
| 06:52.33 | cast | Kassah: if you're using lvm you can take a snapshot, that would be alot easier :) |
| 06:52.34 | xingu | roxy_: ok, so what I gather is that your ipw2200 is getting modprobed in early boot, in your initrd |
| 06:52.34 | Vasistha | GeneralK: you've got the 4.0 r0 cd, right? And it's for the right architecture and everything? |
| 06:52.55 | roxy_ | xingu: no, I am the ipw3945 guy :-) |
| 06:52.59 | GeneralK | Vasistha: debian-40r0-i386-netinst |
| 06:53.01 | dutchfish | xingu, well, i have my preparation scheme in a desktop file before i had a box over to others for support |
| 06:53.02 | xingu | roxy_: oh |
| 06:53.04 | Kassah | cast: yeah it would.... unfortunately I don't believe I did |
| 06:53.11 | xingu | roxy_: so many ipw's, too few bullets |
| 06:53.20 | roxy_ | xingu: I modprobe ipw3945 without error |
| 06:53.23 | xingu | roxy_: for you it was enabling the hw switch then rmmod and modprobe |
| 06:53.29 | Kassah | cast: partially because I have no experience with it yet |
| 06:53.32 | cast | oh oh. networks kicked up to 0.2mbit xfer! awesome |
| 06:53.34 | xingu | roxy_: then /etc/init.d/ipw3945d start |
| 06:53.36 | roxy_ | xingu: great memory :-) |
| 06:54.34 | xingu | tell the mrs that next time I forget her birthday |
| 06:54.45 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 06:55.00 | Kassah | cast, dutchfish: thanks for the advice =) |
| 06:55.07 | dutchfish | Kassah, yw |
| 06:55.16 | roxy_ | xingu: god created computer to create program to remind you of her birthday |
| 06:55.28 | xingu | heh |
| 06:55.30 | roxy_ | xingu: it start without problem |
| 06:55.46 | roxy_ | xingu: and the wifi light is on |
| 06:55.47 | dutchfish | roxy_, and the devil created eva its first bug |
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| 06:56.09 | sanxiyn | Ok, back. |
| 06:56.33 | xingu | roxy_: weird; what I've done as a local workaround to fix a packaging bug long ago, is as I was saying for ipw2200, to make sure that the firmware blob ends up in the initrd |
| 06:56.45 | xingu | roxy_: perhaps this is why mine is working fine from early boot on in. |
| 06:56.54 | sanxiyn | I've made a doc at Google docs for links I found related to "ioctl_internal_command error return code=8000002". |
| 06:56.56 | sanxiyn | http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dzrfdp3_1gkp7sk |
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| 06:57.03 | roxy_ | xingu: but dhclient it not finding the lease. |
| 06:57.11 | xingu | roxy_: or perhaps your hardware is being a bit funky wrt the rfkill switch; it's a good idea to boot with the hw enabled |
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| 06:57.18 | xingu | roxy_: and not enable it after boot |
| 06:58.02 | xingu | roxy_: that's a layer3 problem, find someone who thinks dynamic address allocation is a good idea |
| 06:58.07 | xingu | :) |
| 06:58.27 | sanxiyn | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/02/msg00724.html seems to be the same problem. |
| 06:58.53 | roxy_ | xingu: :-) |
| 06:59.47 | Deepa | cat file.mp3 > /dev/speakers |
| 06:59.49 | Deepa | Would that work? |
| 07:00.11 | Deepa | Would it play the mp3, or just give out awkward noises? |
| 07:00.48 | roxy_ | Deepa: wouldn't that be faster to try than to ask ? :-) |
| 07:01.18 | xingu | sanxiyn: links appear to relate to busted (usb storage) hardware |
| 07:01.35 | sanxiyn | xingu: You mean these? http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dzrfdp3_1gkp7sk |
| 07:01.39 | xingu | yes |
| 07:01.50 | sanxiyn | xingu: Apparently not, since this device works okay for storing files. |
| 07:02.00 | sanxiyn | xingu: It's just annoying messages. |
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| 07:02.35 | xingu | sanxiyn: as the debian link points out, recompiling with usb debugging would help; it's a usb urb that's failing |
| 07:03.00 | xingu | sanxiyn: there's not too many reasons why that can be, and most of them point to bung hardware (specifically, firmware in that hardware) |
| 07:03.33 | sanxiyn | xingu: Hm, so fix would involve replacing the firmware? (How?) |
| 07:04.00 | roxy_ | xingu: adding allow-hotplug eth1 in /etc/network/interface make it work on boot. problem solved for today. |
| 07:04.10 | xingu | sanxiyn: possibly; *diagnosis* would involve recompiling your usb with debugging enabled. |
| 07:04.48 | xingu | roxy_: neat. :) |
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| 07:04.48 | sanxiyn | xingu: Which option I need to enable? |
| 07:05.19 | xingu | sanxiyn: CONFIG_USB_DEBUG, CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG |
| 07:05.46 | Deepa | roxy_: Well, I'm stuck at doing boring backup work |
| 07:05.52 | xingu | sanxiyn: also CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DEBUG |
| 07:05.55 | Deepa | So I'm on the wrong partition atm :P |
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| 07:07.38 | putnam | i'm probably a worthless human being for asking this |
| 07:07.48 | putnam | but i've been trying to figure it out with google for a couple of days now and have given up |
| 07:07.58 | xingu | sanxiyn: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=117889 <-- did you see this from the rh case notes? |
| 07:08.16 | sanxiyn | xingu: Yes. I should try the same? |
| 07:08.33 | xingu | sanxiyn: I'm guessing that after you've got debug log sent to pete zaitcev and jog his memory with a link to that bugid, he'll propose something similar |
| 07:08.35 | putnam | i don't want to install X and i want my console to be at the native resolution for my screen. i have an ATI radeon x1300 (PCI) |
| 07:08.44 | xingu | sanxiyn: also include lsusb -v output when you get that far. |
| 07:08.45 | sanxiyn | xingu: Ah, nice plan. |
| 07:08.52 | putnam | and my screen is a 30" monitor at 2560x1600 |
| 07:09.20 | putnam | unfortunately this resolution is not within the range of magic numbers that VESA seems to support in grub.conf |
| 07:09.21 | sanxiyn | xingu: That patch seems to be merged, so he should know this stuff :) |
| 07:09.37 | xingu | sanxiyn: he's the usb kernel maint, he better. :) |
| 07:09.40 | putnam | so how in the world do i get my console to do this :( |
| 07:09.51 | sanxiyn | xingu: Now building with debug. |
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| 07:11.14 | sanxiyn | xingu: CONFIG_SCSI_DEBUG is said to be "dummy SCSI host adapter simulator", so I didn't enable that. |
| 07:12.17 | xingu | sanxiyn: fair call. |
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| 07:13.48 | xingu | sanxiyn: once you're all debugged up, it'd be constructive to do a cp somefile usbmount; md5sum usbmount/somefile > usbmount/somefile.md5sum-pre; reboot; md5sum usbmount/somefile.md5sum-post |
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| 07:14.01 | xingu | sanxiyn: and include that titbit in your dump to zaitcev |
| 07:14.10 | sanxiyn | xingu: Thanks! |
| 07:14.15 | ricko | howdy all |
| 07:16.34 | ricko | i read the debian guide over at desktoplinux.com and i am going to install lenny on my pc instead of etch as in the guide |
| 07:17.35 | sanxiyn | ricko: You can install etch and upgrade. |
| 07:18.29 | ricko | sanxiyn, etch has some hardware detection problems in my setup |
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| 07:18.53 | ozatomic | when i run gdb it says /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/ "486" but my kernal is "686" this would be a problem yeah? |
| 07:19.20 | Kassah | cast: huh neat... a tech who admits he can't handle an issue... and escalates it... that's a first |
| 07:20.28 | xingu | putnam: have you fritzed with vbetool at all? |
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| 07:21.02 | sanxiyn | ozatomic: I don't think so. |
| 07:21.06 | ricko | i will also have to use the lenny weekly snapshot as the debian installer has problem conneting to the ethernet. |
| 07:21.11 | sanxiyn | ozatomic: That should be okay. |
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| 07:21.16 | ozatomic | hmm ok |
| 07:23.27 | xingu | putnam: actually forget that; you're right, that res is outside the vesa spec; so you'll need a native graphics driver, and for you that means x11 |
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| 07:23.59 | simonrvn | ozatomic: no. it's *gcc* not your kernel... and no, it doesn't matter anyway |
| 07:24.21 | ricko | can some one tell me how to select packages to install instead of installing all the stuff(as the the guide suggests only to install the standard system without the desktop) |
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| 07:25.13 | cahoot | the installer gives you the option - at least if ine choses standard |
| 07:25.25 | cahoot | s/ine/one/ |
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| 07:26.14 | ricko | installer did not give any option when I tried it out |
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| 07:27.03 | cahoot | ricko: else use the expert mode |
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| 07:27.38 | cahoot | f1 at boot to se the options |
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| 07:28.07 | ricko | expert mode didn't give me a choice |
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| 07:28.35 | roxy_ | when I play a CD it works fine. When I plug my speacker, nothing changes. No sound in the speaker, still same sound out of the computer. (speaker have been tested). |
| 07:29.18 | simonrvn | alsamixer is your friend |
| 07:30.05 | ricko | or is there a way to remove desktop after installation |
| 07:30.08 | roxy_ | simonrvn: I only got 4 lines, Master, PCM, Capture and Input So. Which one would be the speker out ? |
| 07:30.30 | cast | simonrvn: you've only got 4 choices...try em all? |
| 07:30.37 | sanxiyn | roxy_: Usually PCM. |
| 07:30.53 | sanxiyn | ricko: Of course you can remove anything after installation. |
| 07:31.08 | sanxiyn | ricko: But desktop is not installed if you choose not to, IIRC. |
| 07:31.11 | simonrvn | hit F5 |
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| 07:31.43 | roxy_ | sanxiyn: PCM changes the sound out of the computer. It doesn't change anything about switching it or no from speaker plug. |
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| 07:32.11 | cahoot | roxy_: what kind of soundcard is this? hda-intel? |
| 07:32.17 | simonrvn | and also you might wanna scroll to the right (right arrow key, left one to go back) |
| 07:32.25 | simonrvn | roxy_: ^^^ |
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| 07:32.54 | roxy_ | simonrvn: thanks :-), still only 4 |
| 07:33.00 | simonrvn | depending on the card/sound chipset, you'll have some options |
| 07:33.18 | simonrvn | hit F5 yet? :) |
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| 07:33.33 | roxy_ | cahoot: intel |
| 07:33.49 | chronographer | Hi all, does anyone know a good tutorial or howto for setting up a simple sftp server which I can access from my uni? |
| 07:33.55 | tome1 | when you download debian, do you have an option to install KDE during set up? |
| 07:34.01 | karsten | tome1: YES |
| 07:34.09 | tome1 | thanks |
| 07:34.25 | karsten | tome1: There's a few different desktop configurations, KDE is among them. |
| 07:34.27 | roxy_ | karsten: is that new ? I haven't see it. |
| 07:34.35 | karsten | roxy_: tasksel IIRC. |
| 07:34.41 | simonrvn | since etch released, yes |
| 07:34.41 | tome1 | do you need all the cds to install debian? |
| 07:34.45 | chronographer | tome1: You must DL the KDE install cd though. |
| 07:34.46 | karsten | tome1: No. |
| 07:34.51 | simonrvn | netinst has flavours |
| 07:34.52 | karsten | !tell tome1 about netinst |
| 07:35.04 | chronographer | unless you install without a desktop and later apt-get kde |
| 07:35.05 | ricko | whats the command to remove the desktop |
| 07:35.07 | karsten | tome1: Do a netinst install, first preference. |
| 07:35.19 | karsten | ricko: Depends on the desktop. |
| 07:35.28 | karsten | ricko: In general: aptitude remove <package> |
| 07:35.34 | tome1 | got it |
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| 07:35.48 | magic_pinguim | Hello :) |
| 07:35.59 | simonrvn | kwe kwe |
| 07:36.14 | ricko | i want remove all the desktop packages installed with kde (openoffice etc) |
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| 07:37.11 | roxy_ | ricko: easier would be not to install them in the first place |
| 07:37.27 | karsten | ricko: either remove the specific packages you don't want, or remove a core KDE package. |
| 07:37.47 | roxy_ | ricko: you can do base install without desktop. |
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| 07:38.01 | karsten | ricko: Dependencies are good at getting what's necessary to install a particular package installed. Metapackages make that easier, but the reverse process is a bit more involved. |
| 07:38.25 | karsten | ricko: dpkg --get-selections | awk '$2 == "install" {print $1}' > packages |
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| 07:38.57 | karsten | ricko: ... then identify the packages you don't want, and nuke 'em. You can generally filter out anything starting with '^lib' as installed by dependencies. |
| 07:38.58 | simonrvn | oooh nice awk script |
| 07:39.10 | karsten | simonrvn: Feh. Simple. |
| 07:39.17 | simonrvn | yeh, but handy |
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| 07:39.23 | karsten | awk is that. |
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| 07:39.27 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 07:39.38 | karsten | ricko: dpkg --get-selections | awk '$2 == "install" && $1 !~ "^lib" {print $1}' > packages |
| 07:39.43 | karsten | ... does it in one step. |
| 07:39.55 | karsten | Note that's gawkisms there, for the mawkers / nawkers out there. |
| 07:40.01 | simonrvn | what's the !~ ? |
| 07:40.07 | simonrvn | not? |
| 07:40.11 | karsten | simonrvn: Doesn't match regex. |
| 07:40.14 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:40.16 | karsten | ! == negation. ~ == regex. |
| 07:40.17 | simonrvn | ty |
| 07:41.09 | roxy_ | karsten: a personal question. Are you old enough to have been around when awk but not perl was alive ? I always wondered why someone would bother learning awk. |
| 07:41.23 | karsten | roxy_: That's a personal question. |
| 07:41.29 | simonrvn | because perl has overhead |
| 07:41.33 | karsten | roxy_: The answer, however, is yes. |
| 07:41.55 | karsten | roxy_: Been using Unix for nearly 30 years, seriously for over 20. |
| 07:42.13 | roxy_ | karsten: :-) . I alwasy wanted to learn awk and be good at sed but never got to do it because of perl and ruby. |
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| 07:42.30 | karsten | roxy_: awk's advantages over perl: it's simple, standard, common, and doesn't have library deps. Downsides: it's limited. |
| 07:42.48 | karsten | roxy_: oddly enough, I never learned much perl because awk usually suffices. |
| 07:42.54 | karsten | @bed simonrvn |
| 07:42.59 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 07:43.35 | xingu | first you've got to sow the simonrvn, then you've got to grow the simonrvn |
| 07:44.11 | ricko | i think figuring out how to install just the standard in the setup will be easier than manually uninstalling the packages |
| 07:44.18 | karsten | roxy_: One place awk sucks in general though is parameter parsing. It wasn't written to be used for generalized scripts the way Perl is. You end up writing a lot of shell wrappers around awk scripts. |
| 07:44.39 | xingu | karsten: another place awk sucks is date math |
| 07:44.44 | karsten | ricko: Uninstalling/reinstalling packages is pretty straightforward, it just takes time. |
| 07:44.49 | karsten | xingu: Tell me about it ... |
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| 07:44.52 | ricko | the guy over @ desktop linux had got this option menu http://www.desktoplinux.com/files/article115/etch-netinstall-17.jpg |
| 07:45.03 | karsten | xingu: ... three weeks and four days from six minutes before last fortnight. |
| 07:45.18 | roxy_ | karsten: interesting. Perl always been there for me (I actually considered it as a base tool, I prefer to use ruby when available), but I have been around for a much shorter time. |
| 07:45.31 | xingu | karsten: and I say this as someone who did all of everything in awk for a long time and have been recently converted at swordpoint to perl |
| 07:46.01 | xingu | karsten: how about five seconds and one month after now |
| 07:46.01 | ricko | is that menu only available in gui mode or in the netinst cd |
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| 07:46.22 | karsten | roxy_: My work environment consists of RHEL3/4, SLES9/10, Solaris 8/9/10, AIX 5.mumble, and HPUX 11.11 |
| 07:46.42 | karsten | roxy_: There's stuff on it. Including Perl. But it's pretty rocky. |
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| 07:46.57 | karsten | xingu: Sure, close enough for awk ;-) |
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| 07:47.37 | karsten | ricko: ISTR both install methods are largely comperable in features. Ye Fine Olde Installe Manuale would be what you'd want to refer to. |
| 07:47.37 | xingu | karsten: I bet I'm not the only person who stores a seconds since midnight ticker in a tempfile. :) |
| 07:47.52 | roxy_ | karsten: omg, Have you forgot debian ??? :-) |
| 07:48.19 | karsten | roxy_: No, I just never install it. |
| 07:48.26 | karsten | roxy_: ... not with the standard installer, anyhow. |
| 07:48.58 | roxy_ | I used fedora untill the sysad at work converted me to debian. |
| 07:49.09 | karsten | roxy_: I generally do debootstrap installs from Knoppix, port over my package list and/or manually add what I want for the first few days until I've got what I want. |
| 07:49.33 | karsten | xingu: That's one of the magick numbers I memorized ... |
| 07:49.42 | xingu | :) |
| 07:49.57 | karsten | xingu: ... when working on for a med devices research company whose data was on a seconds-since-midnight clock. |
| 07:50.15 | xingu | yeah, likewise; blew our ops directors socks off recently, he asked in a meeting "does anyone know how many seconds there are in a day" and I replied without blinking. |
| 07:50.34 | xingu | tumbleweeds around the meetingroom - followed by how the f... |
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| 07:52.16 | xingu | karsten: it's been drummed in; most things in comms have a 1,5,60min or 1,7d or 1,3,6,12m period |
| 07:52.40 | xingu | karsten: so when writing the inevitable keepalive to restart things that jam or fail... |
| 07:54.04 | xingu | karsten: perl's ability to call random library and system calls is handy. |
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| 07:54.25 | karsten | xingu: Its insistance on doing same can be annoying though ;-) |
| 07:54.29 | pyrin | morning people, which package and i apt-get to have gmake |
| 07:54.34 | dutchfish | xingu, not to forget 2, 4 8 hours (databases) |
| 07:54.46 | karsten | Perl: when compiling line noise is a project requirement. |
| 07:54.57 | karsten | !tell pyrin about search |
| 07:55.00 | karsten | !find gmake |
| 07:55.05 | xingu | dutchfish: oddly enough 8h is a pretty important one - it's the length of a shift. |
| 07:55.08 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gmake' (6 of 7): (/usr/bin/kmk_gmake) in devel/kbuild ;; (/usr/share/a2ps/sheets/gmake.ssh) in text/a2ps ;; (/usr/share/doc/smake/README.gmake) in devel/smake ;; (/usr/share/cernlib/gmake) in devel/cernlib-base-dev ;; (/usr/share/gnulib/modules/configmake) in devel/gnulib ;; (/usr/bin/cfgmaker, /usr/share/doc/mrtg/cfgmaker.txt.gz, /usr/share/doc/mrtg/pod/cfgmaker.pod.gz) in net/mrtg. |
| 07:55.14 | dutchfish | xingu, yup |
| 07:55.42 | pyrin | karsten, that wasnt clear for me im sorry |
| 07:56.01 | pyrin | what am i supposed to do ? |
| 07:56.42 | karsten | pyrin: Ideally, use your system's package search features to find gmake. Are you sure you're not just referring to plain old make, which is GNU make? |
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| 07:57.11 | pyrin | i need gmake |
| 07:57.14 | pyrin | not make |
| 07:57.19 | pyrin | to compile flowc tools |
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| 07:58.31 | karsten | pyrin: OK, then I'm not sure which gmake you're referring to. What's the upstream? |
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| 07:59.18 | ricko | karsten, the manual says some that if you put " tasks="standard" " it will install just the standard packages |
| 07:59.24 | karsten | pyrin: http://www-pnp.physics.ox.ac.uk/~west/intro_manual/node139.html gmake == GNU make == package "make". |
| 07:59.31 | karsten | ricko: Well there you go then. |
| 07:59.40 | karsten | ricko: I suppose that qualifies as the standard answer. |
| 07:59.55 | xingu | pyrin: gmake is another way of saying gnu make |
| 08:00.12 | xingu | pyrin: flowc is written for a solaris target where make is sun workshop c make |
| 08:02.04 | xingu | I dunno, kids these days |
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| 08:04.18 | dutchfish | why i need to modprobe fuse before i can use sshfs (mount) in xen kernel? |
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| 08:05.27 | kairu0 | dutchfish, i think the filesystem is actually fuse, and sshfs is an extension of it |
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| 08:05.39 | kairu0 | i might be wrong though |
| 08:05.42 | karsten | dutchfish: Because sshfs is implemented in FUSE, p'raps? |
| 08:05.59 | dutchfish | kairu0, yes, but why i dont need that in non-xen kernel? |
| 08:06.29 | kairu0 | dutchfish, non-xen kernel problem has it built in so no need for a module |
| 08:06.44 | pyrin | xingu, how can i compile it then / |
| 08:06.48 | dutchfish | kairu0, so basically i can add it to modules |
| 08:06.54 | karsten | dutchfish: less /boot/config-$( uname -r ) |
| 08:06.59 | kairu0 | dutchfish, yes. you have to add it |
| 08:07.08 | roxy_ | I need libtiff.so.3 . apt-file search libtiff.so.3 gives nothing. Do I need to install it manually ? |
| 08:07.09 | dutchfish | kairu0, oki |
| 08:07.14 | xingu | pyrin: alias gmake=make |
| 08:07.23 | karsten | dutchfish: I see it as modular in my kernel |
| 08:07.47 | dutchfish | karsten, 2.6.8.14? |
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| 08:08.12 | karsten | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 08:08.19 | karsten | 2.6.8 is *really* old. |
| 08:08.27 | karsten | Hell, even rhel4 runs newer. |
| 08:08.34 | dutchfish | karsten, my typo 2.6.18-4 i meant |
| 08:08.41 | karsten | (2.6.9) |
| 08:08.45 | karsten | OK. |
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| 08:09.11 | pyrin | xingu, fyi flowc compiles on linux smoothly |
| 08:09.26 | pyrin | i got it upo n running on rhel3 |
| 08:09.27 | kairu0 | roxy_, libtiff.so.4 has been the current release since sarge. |
| 08:09.42 | pyrin | but on debian it aint compiling |
| 08:09.48 | xingu | pyrin: ... you're not telling me anything I don't know. |
| 08:09.59 | pyrin | <xingu> pyrin: flowc is written for a solaris target where make is sun workshop c make |
| 08:10.47 | roxy_ | kairu0: I am trying to run a prog that want .3 . |
| 08:11.00 | xingu | pyrin: all you need to do is alias gnu make, make, to the tool their configure script wants, gmake. |
| 08:11.33 | pyrin | alias gmake=make you mean ? |
| 08:11.43 | xingu | pyrin: either with a bash alias (untested) or a symlink or with a patch to the configure script or maybe even by setting MAKE=make if it's autobreak-ized. |
| 08:11.58 | xingu | pyrin: do you have a link to the source you've pulled down? |
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| 08:12.04 | pyrin | yep |
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| 08:12.24 | kairu0 | roxy_, i just read that a symlink to libtiff.so.4 worked for someone |
| 08:12.41 | xingu | some of them even work |
| 08:13.01 | roxy_ | kairu0: thanks, trying... |
| 08:13.09 | pyrin | mmmm snake pie |
| 08:13.18 | dutchfish | karsten, i am trying to make so called "offline directories" through sshfs mounts is that possible, what about syncing? |
| 08:14.13 | pyrin | xingu, what about them patches |
| 08:14.26 | xingu | pyrin: that's why I'm asking for your link in particular. |
| 08:14.35 | pyrin | K :) |
| 08:15.33 | xingu | pyrin: they're rarely publicly available but there's more iterations of the flowc source tree than there are of perl |
| 08:16.17 | dutchfish | karsten, forget last q, i made conceptual error, solve dnow |
| 08:16.19 | xingu | flowc is usually an answer to the wrong question; but half a decade's worth of struggling with it will teach you that. :) |
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| 08:16.55 | pyrin | i had it up with no problems at all on rhel 3 AS |
| 08:16.57 | roxy_ | kairu0: working, thanks. |
| 08:17.04 | pyrin | i donno why its hating debian |
| 08:17.48 | xingu | pyrin: you mean - "it builds, it boots, ship it!" when you say "no problems" I figure. :) |
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| 08:18.31 | pyrin | no i mean it builds , it boots , its tested , its shiped :) |
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| 08:18.51 | kairu0 | roxy_, np |
| 08:19.04 | pyrin | xingu, i managed to fix the droped flows . sql problems , ....etc |
| 08:19.16 | pyrin | the problem im only facing is the "build" atm |
| 08:19.21 | xingu | yay, another patched flowc tree is born |
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| 08:19.51 | pyrin | hah |
| 08:21.41 | xingu | pyrin: *netflow* itself is broken; it only works as a function of a FIB lookaside and that is just plain busted for values of FIB including "asic based" and "distributed" |
| 08:22.01 | xingu | pyrin: but keep plugging away, at the 4.5y mark or so you'll remember this conversation. :) |
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| 08:24.38 | pyrin | thanks xingu :) |
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| 08:25.49 | chemaja | ? |
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| 08:29.05 | xingu | perlmonkey: xfs can set a cluster size per dir I think anyway; how many disks do you have and what architecture (arch -k) is this |
| 08:29.20 | xingu | perlmonkey: ie how many disks in the stripe. |
| 08:29.46 | perlmonkey | xingu: it's a scsi 5 x 18.2GB |
| 08:30.05 | xingu | perlmonkey: arch -k is ? |
| 08:30.27 | perlmonkey | I'm not sure |
| 08:30.40 | perlmonkey | I can't login to the system at moment from here |
| 08:30.51 | dutchfish | uname -m |
| 08:32.21 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 08:32.33 | xingu | perlmonkey: i386, x86_64, ppc, ? |
| 08:32.40 | xingu | surely you know details like this ;) |
| 08:32.54 | perlmonkey | oh sorry |
| 08:33.16 | perlmonkey | yes, it's i386... P3-600 with 256mb |
| 08:33.25 | xingu | perlmonkey: and, if all the disks are the same model #, it'd be useful to know that too |
| 08:33.34 | perlmonkey | it's actually a toshiba magnia server, dual CPU |
| 08:33.54 | perlmonkey | xingu: they are not, some are even different makes :-/ |
| 08:34.29 | xingu | oh well no soup for you in that dimension |
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| 08:36.09 | perlmonkey | whats it mean? |
| 08:36.16 | mashihabong | There is anyone here can help me with Exim4 and Gmail (relayhost). |
| 08:36.17 | dutchfish | xingu, did you already tried out the new 1TB SATA disks? In my expirience they hit all time records for slowness |
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| 08:37.03 | perlmonkey | my scsi raid is as fast as fuk over nfs, i have no complaints at all for speed with small files and 32kb cluster size on the raid |
| 08:37.10 | xingu | perlmonkey: getting the maths together, pleas hold, your call is important to us |
| 08:37.12 | perlmonkey | but now i need to move to bigger files |
| 08:37.17 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 08:37.20 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 08:37.21 | luca____ | hello all :) |
| 08:38.27 | mashihabong | hi |
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| 08:38.41 | perlmonkey | xingu: i am using the default 4kb block size |
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| 08:42.34 | cwheeler | what's the param to glxgears to make it print the frame rate that's not a benchmark? |
| 08:42.42 | dutchfish | xingu, it looks like the current stable kernel isnt using the native command queing |
| 08:42.46 | xingu | perlmonkey: so what you're left with is arch page size=4k, stripe is 4x data + 1x parity, xfs default block size=4k; so for you a chunk size of a multiple of 16k (1x 4k block on each disk in the stripe across 4x disks = 16k) makes sense - I'd suggest 256k |
| 08:43.09 | perlmonkey | wow |
| 08:43.11 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 08:43.26 | xingu | perlmonkey: the micro-optimsation would be making sure that 256k was a multiple of your disk's geometry and also cache-aligned on the disks. |
| 08:43.48 | titii | helo there... friends, anybody can help me, how to configure one email alias, for one PHP script, i have to send the email to that email, and some php script with SMTP parse that email, or its attachments. thank you |
| 08:43.57 | cwheeler | nevah mind it used strings |
| 08:44.03 | perlmonkey | it should go faster now |
| 08:44.07 | xingu | perlmonkey: because you've got a veritable heterogeny under the bonnet - that's irrelevant. |
| 08:44.19 | perlmonkey | I tried large files on 32k cluster and it wasnt so hot |
| 08:44.48 | perlmonkey | there was too much overhead |
| 08:44.51 | xingu | no, it wouldn't be; you want to queue deeper than 2x iops to each spindle. |
| 08:44.57 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 08:45.33 | perlmonkey | if i had more money i would just go for sata large single drive maybe |
| 08:45.35 | xingu | 256k gives you a queue depth at 16 running full pelt which is reasonable - it'll fill the track buffer more likely than not. |
| 08:45.54 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 08:46.04 | pyrin | xingu, here for a seccy ? |
| 08:46.09 | xingu | ya |
| 08:46.21 | xingu | dutchfish: weird; you have ahci? |
| 08:46.39 | dutchfish | xingu, yup and tested with smaller drives, they work |
| 08:46.49 | pyrin | im still fighting with flowc hehe , im missing md5.h md5global.h ....etc in /usr/include any ideas where i can get them from ? |
| 08:47.01 | xingu | dutchfish: oh I see, specifically for that 1T drive yeah? |
| 08:47.09 | xingu | dutchfish: that probably means it's been blacklisted or something. |
| 08:47.44 | dutchfish | xingu, yes, http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/news/ym+clJqXwp6a/Hitachi_verscheept_1_TB_SATA_harde_schijf/ |
| 08:47.52 | xingu | pyrin: libsasl2-dev |
| 08:48.23 | pyrin | xingu, yep just found that out with my lame locate skills |
| 08:48.25 | pyrin | :D |
| 08:48.29 | dutchfish | xingu, ok, i delve into it |
| 08:48.43 | titii | helo there... friends, anybody can help me, how to configure one email alias, for one PHP script, i have to send the email to that email, and some php script with SMTP parse that email, or its attachments. thank you |
| 08:48.48 | xingu | dutchfish: you've got me curious now too, looking |
| 08:49.05 | pyrin | but yet it cant find it |
| 08:49.35 | pyrin | when i use --includedir = /usr/include/sasl/ |
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| 08:50.42 | dutchfish | xingu, the one that works is a 750gb seagate barracuda |
| 08:51.01 | titii | i just need to know, how to tell to server, if i send to my email address the email, it have to be parsed by some php script |
| 08:51.21 | wols_ | titii: man aliases if you run postfix |
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| 08:52.11 | titii | wols_ here is that, how to use a php script on some recieved email? |
| 08:52.40 | wols_ | titii: depends how you store mail: imap,pop, spool files |
| 08:53.09 | titii | wols_ i dont know, but i mean i am recievin§g it by php3 |
| 08:53.18 | xingu | pyrin: odd; between the lines I gather that there's so *many* devel libs that have ...include/.../md5.h that there's a policy decision to get them out of usr/include |
| 08:53.30 | wols_ | php is not receiving mail .ever |
| 08:53.31 | xingu | pyrin: ie because they're not (and likely never will be) part of glibc |
| 08:53.51 | titii | wols_ sorry i maen pop3 :) |
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| 08:54.26 | tarzeau | is this html? — |
| 08:54.36 | tarzeau | my iceweasel shows the code instead what it should: http://wiki.debian.org/Usability |
| 08:54.38 | wols_ | titii: MTAs receive mail. not pop3 servers |
| 08:54.45 | karsten | tarzeau: Yeah, possibly nonstandard. |
| 08:54.52 | xingu | pyrin: you could probably get away with just copying the openssl md5.h into the appropriate place ? |
| 08:55.24 | titii | wols_ sorry i am not liniux guru, just webdesigner, but some stuff i know... but maybe i can do that by my self, if some one helps, maybe you can |
| 08:55.30 | karsten | tarzeau: standard: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/specialchars.html |
| 08:55.30 | wols_ | titii: more detail what you want perhaps? |
| 08:55.33 | pyrin | i was thinking of it but when i ment to my rhel machine with flowc c on it |
| 08:55.58 | pyrin | i did a diff on /usr/inc/openssl/md5.h and /usr/include/md5.h |
| 08:55.58 | xingu | pyrin: the flowc source I just pulled down (1.6-18.08.2006) knows about openssl md5.h which is libssl-dev in debian. |
| 08:55.59 | tarzeau | karsten: oh they exist at your page |
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| 08:56.03 | pyrin | the came out different |
| 08:56.09 | tarzeau | karsten: and iceweasel can't render it |
| 08:56.18 | tarzeau | karsten: no the guy is missing an e in front |
| 08:56.24 | titii | wols_ i just recieving some emails, and i need to send it to one email, example bla@emailssss.com and this email will parsed on the server by php script.. DB and so on |
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| 08:56.29 | tarzeau | karsten: emdash instead of juts mdash |
| 08:56.35 | karsten | dig |
| 08:56.54 | litage | why do some files in /etc/udev/rules.d/ have a "z" at the beginning of the filename? |
| 08:57.03 | titii | wols_ i need to forward that to one my email, which will parsed on the server by php script |
| 08:57.15 | wols_ | titii: so use php to access a pop3 account and resend it if it must be php. tho a MTA only solution might be better (like aliases) |
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| 08:57.44 | xingu | dutchfish: just trying to tickle a command up that will report on the ncq feature from the drive's pov for you |
| 08:57.48 | tarzeau | karsten: same problem still, maybe a wiki problem? |
| 08:57.56 | dutchfish | xingu, great |
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| 08:58.56 | dutchfish | xingu, could it be bios related? |
| 08:59.19 | pyrin | xingu, please have a look http://pastebin.ca/532917 |
| 08:59.21 | titii | wols_ i just have to credate some email (this is my situation it will alias, but it doesnt matter) for that i just can indicate send TO, it is the email which have to be parsed, thats all |
| 08:59.42 | xingu | dutchfish: not with that symptom-set (all-or-nothing); more likely to be either linux libata blacklist, or, drive firmware not supporting ncq |
| 09:00.02 | xingu | pyrin: try just installing libssl-dev and re-running configure? |
| 09:00.46 | dutchfish | xingu, ill retest on wednesday when i have new boards with latest intel chipset |
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| 09:01.24 | pyrin | xingu, same shyte :\ |
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| 09:01.47 | titii | wols_ i have to call that php script just if i recieve the email with FROM (my email) in a headers |
| 09:01.48 | pyrin | libssl-dev is already the newest version. |
| 09:02.18 | pyrin | i think its ajob for strace |
| 09:02.35 | persept | i've looked all over the web but I can't find how to add the debian.org unstable repository to my repositories, it isn't there already because i'm on ubuntu |
| 09:02.51 | persept | what do I need to add to my repository list to get that to work? |
| 09:02.51 | pyrin | xingu, hehe strace is pwn |
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| 09:03.30 | xingu | dutchfish: it'll be drive firmware not mb/chipset related |
| 09:03.37 | xingu | dutchfish: or, a libata blacklist |
| 09:04.31 | pyrin | i think im fucked on locales |
| 09:04.37 | pyrin | sorry for the f word though |
| 09:05.15 | wols_ | pyrin: no worries. biologically we're all adults. mentally of course it's a different story |
| 09:05.31 | pyrin | :) |
| 09:05.42 | xingu | ok, anyone know where usr/include/md5.h (containing MD5Init and friends) came from on RH or went to on debian? |
| 09:05.57 | sascha_ | pyrin, that's ok (meant the locales thing) :) |
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| 09:06.05 | xingu | I'm reverse engineering via google, but just in case anyone knows offhand... |
| 09:06.12 | wols_ | titii: look for something like procmail or anotehr mail processor. php just seems the wrong tool for the job and is used only you know nohing else being a webdesigner |
| 09:06.46 | pyrin | xingu, http://pastebin.ca/532931 have a look |
| 09:06.55 | wols_ | xingu: ask a RH user which drpm gives him md5.h and then you can find out where it went for debian |
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| 09:07.38 | wols_ | xingu: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=md5.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
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| 09:08.31 | xingu | wols_: yep that's what I'm working through atm. |
| 09:08.51 | pyrin | xingu, flowc on debian is pain is arse |
| 09:08.59 | xingu | s/on debian// |
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| 09:11.33 | xingu | pyrin: openssl is s/MD5Init/MD5_Init/ |
| 09:12.09 | xingu | pyrin: makes me wonder if this is a openssl v other-ssl thing. |
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| 09:13.08 | xingu | pyrin: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=340538 |
| 09:13.20 | nslater | Where is the list of active Debian software deb(5) sections? |
| 09:13.27 | xingu | pyrin: that md5 implementation seems to be non-dfsg which is where your problems start I think |
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| 09:15.32 | pyrin | xingu, bites me man im not happy with it until now |
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| 09:16.35 | titii | wols_ but i have to code some script with DB operation, and so on, oot so much, a little script |
| 09:17.21 | pyrin | im gonna test with RFC1321-based (RSA-free) MD5 library |
| 09:17.28 | xingu | pyrin: you're not going to find that md5 implementation or abi in debian I think, per the apache2 bug I think everyone will be moving to some other known dfsg-free md5 |
| 09:17.52 | xingu | pyrin: it won't work (the sourceforget link in there), it uses s/MD5Init/md5_init/ |
| 09:18.01 | pyrin | shyte |
| 09:18.16 | xingu | pyrin: fix flowc. :) |
| 09:18.22 | pyrin | xingu, i hear ya |
| 09:18.24 | xingu | pyrin: then package it for debian |
| 09:18.25 | pyrin | :D |
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| 09:18.39 | giacus | hello alla |
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| 09:19.14 | xingu | pyrin: you might be able to just omit the radius support? |
| 09:19.15 | pyrin | xingu, when i strace gmake in the src dir |
| 09:19.23 | pyrin | yeah i am trying to do that |
| 09:19.29 | pyrin | shall i remove the c files |
| 09:19.42 | pyrin | or is there any switch i can play with |
| 09:19.46 | giacus | I'm tryng to get apache2 up and running on Lenny. The issue after install it is I'm just able to view the source code in the browser: <html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html>, weird issue.. can anyone help ? |
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| 09:21.04 | giacus | could be a bug ? I tried to remove --purge any apache2 package and reinstall again :( |
| 09:21.29 | giacus | also removed any conf file |
| 09:21.33 | spheard | does anyone know where I can find a debian logo with no background? |
| 09:21.35 | pyrin | now for some makefile hacking |
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| 09:22.56 | jelly-home | giacus: stupi question: is the file named with a .html extension? |
| 09:23.02 | giacus | sure |
| 09:23.21 | giacus | it is the default apache file |
| 09:23.34 | giacus | it happen also with other .html files .. |
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| 09:24.01 | giacus | can't find help in the error log file |
| 09:24.17 | giacus | errors* |
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| 09:25.26 | jelly-home | giacus: is the mime module enabled? |
| 09:25.46 | perlmonkey | sheesh my raid is showing a drive has changed status to spare, why does it do that |
| 09:25.46 | giacus | looking.. |
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| 09:26.51 | giacus | mime.load is in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 09:26.51 | perlmonkey | if I have a raid-5 with 5 drives, will only 4 be used and 1 held as spare? |
| 09:26.59 | giacus | is it right ? |
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| 09:27.40 | giacus | I'm just using the default conf, I didnt touch any config file |
| 09:27.43 | perlmonkey | giacus: that's right yes |
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| 09:28.01 | flixil | Hello, where can i found the emacs-info pages in a .deb package? |
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| 09:28.19 | perlmonkey | giacus: you should have a symbolic link to the file in /apache2/mods-available |
| 09:28.35 | titii | wols_ what is a procmail? |
| 09:28.47 | xingu | perlmonkey: no, 4 should be data and 1 should be parity in any given row |
| 09:28.58 | perlmonkey | xingu: oh |
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| 09:29.30 | giacus | perlmonkey: it is, I guess, mime.load -> ../mods-available/mime.load |
| 09:29.30 | jelly-home | giacus: what does wget --debug URL 2>&1 |grep ^Content-Type: say? |
| 09:29.31 | perlmonkey | xingu: something has gone wrong with my raid then :-/ |
| 09:29.37 | xingu | perlmonkey: yep. :) |
| 09:29.52 | pyrin | didnt work even |
| 09:29.54 | perlmonkey | this sux |
| 09:29.54 | pyrin | fark |
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| 09:30.06 | xingu | perlmonkey: nb with 3 data and 1 parity and 1 hotspare you will have a dog-legged access pattern that will be crippling performance |
| 09:30.24 | jelly-home | giacus: if the web server says it's text/html, then it's a browser issue. |
| 09:30.27 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 09:30.30 | xingu | perlmonkey: 4k block divided by 3 spindles doesn't go so evenly :p |
| 09:30.56 | giacus | jelly-home: it just return to # |
| 09:31.00 | perlmonkey | i dont know why the raid has changed the status of 1 drive to spare and excluded it from the re-construction |
| 09:31.18 | mashihabong | There is anyone here can help me with Exim4 and Gmail (relayhost). |
| 09:31.22 | xingu | perlmonkey: layout must be suspect, check it. |
| 09:31.23 | jelly-home | giacus: pastebin wget --debug 2>&1 output |
| 09:31.31 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:31.35 | giacus | but I'm sure isnt a browser issue, it also happen from another local machine connected to the lan :( |
| 09:31.48 | jelly-home | giacus: (I hope you replaced the URL with the real url ;-) |
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| 09:32.04 | giacus | jelly-home: got no output, it just return to the prompt |
| 09:32.14 | giacus | ohh.. sorry |
| 09:32.16 | pyrin | xingu, i think im better off with it on rhel ? |
| 09:32.24 | pyrin | or shall i keep hackin away |
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| 09:32.39 | pyrin | xingu, do you mind if you try compiling it on your sys |
| 09:32.43 | chius | dear people |
| 09:32.46 | mashihabong | [Problem] I did everything like what is said in http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 |
| 09:32.53 | chius | I have a question regardin my sound card in my server |
| 09:32.57 | flixil | I found the emacs info to be in emacs21-common-non-dfsg, is there any interesting in making this package dependency of emacs and not just a recomendation? |
| 09:33.03 | chius | lspci |
| 09:33.05 | chius | 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1969 Solo-1 Audiodrive (rev 01) |
| 09:33.13 | chius | but alsaconf doesnt find it |
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| 09:33.27 | crescent_ | good morning, I can get mails through mutt but can not send mails, I am getting an ssmtp error : ssmtp: Server didn't like |
| 09:33.27 | chius | how can I configure such card to listen my music |
| 09:33.33 | crescent_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.23 | giacus | jelly-home: ok, got two output lines: Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 and Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 |
| 09:34.26 | xingu | pyrin: it wants me to install mysql dev and common; revolted as I am, I'll do so and give it a whirl. |
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| 09:34.53 | pyrin | ill smoke a ciggy before i set fire to this data center and get back to you :) |
| 09:35.37 | xingu | pyrin: same deal |
| 09:35.40 | jelly-home | giacus: pastebin the whole thing, then |
| 09:35.49 | xingu | pyrin: the software has a dep on rsa md5 which is not dfsg-free |
| 09:36.54 | giacus | jelly-home: sorry, what should I pastebin ? these are the only 2 lines of output |
| 09:37.14 | jelly-home | giacus: wget --debug URL |
| 09:37.35 | perlmonkey | chius: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php3?company=ESS+Technology&card=ES1938+%28Solo-1%29&chip=ES1938&module=es1938 <-- i've read this will work for the ES1969 also, you might want to try it |
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| 09:38.03 | giacus | jelly-home: ok, ty, just a sec |
| 09:38.19 | chius | thanks perlmonkey |
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| 09:39.07 | mashihabong | er... there is a problem with using gmail as the relayhost. |
| 09:39.11 | xingu | pyrin: two secs, I'll get the sun md5 lib from jass. |
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| 09:39.30 | mashihabong | exim4 responded that relayhost reject |
| 09:39.36 | giacus | jelly-home: do you know how to set EN lang in console? |
| 09:39.47 | giacus | to get output in english |
| 09:39.56 | jelly-home | giacus: export LANG=C or LANG=en_US |
| 09:40.00 | giacus | thanks |
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| 09:40.24 | liable | dont export as us, the spell colour wrong! |
| 09:40.27 | liable | :) |
| 09:41.08 | pyrin | xingu, back :) |
| 09:41.20 | jelly-home | liable: unix is American, bitch |
| 09:41.44 | liable | jelly-home: oh, and linux/gnu is? |
| 09:41.47 | xingu | pyrin: hmm, not as easy as that; lets see if google can turn one up. |
| 09:41.52 | pyrin | xingu, http://www.rocketaware.com/man/man3/md5.3.htm i |
| 09:41.59 | pyrin | thats whats missing basically |
| 09:41.59 | jelly-home | liable: a pale copy |
| 09:42.36 | pyrin | usability of md5.h from sasl and openssl arent what is required "md5.h" by flowc |
| 09:43.24 | perlmonkey | xingu: it added the spare into the raid on the reconstruction! |
| 09:43.26 | pyrin | since its calling MD5Init() and MD5update() and MD5Final() incorrectly |
| 09:43.36 | perlmonkey | xingu: everyhing looks fine now, should I trust it? |
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| 09:44.52 | hark | trust no one! |
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| 09:44.56 | jelly-home | giacus: I'm away now for a bit, hopefully someone will jump in |
| 09:45.00 | pyrin | trust microsoft |
| 09:45.22 | pyrin | hah |
| 09:45.32 | pyrin | omg |
| 09:45.52 | jelly-home | it's a pyrric fest |
| 09:45.53 | pyrin | did you guys see M$'s product "surface" |
| 09:46.08 | pyrin | jelly-home, im sweet white meat :} |
| 09:46.15 | giacus | ouch jelly-home pastebin won't work for me: http://rafb.net/p/1Wbx5u97.html |
| 09:46.25 | pyrin | giacus, pastebin.ca |
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| 09:47.23 | giacus | pyrin: got it on nopaste |
| 09:47.53 | jelly-home | giacus: solution: don't use testing if you can't cope with it :-) |
| 09:48.00 | pyrin | i wonder is xingu is punching his putter at the moment |
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| 09:48.27 | giacus | what should I use .. unstable ? |
| 09:48.50 | jelly-home | giacus: no, stable. |
| 09:48.53 | perlmonkey | xingu isnt violent |
| 09:48.54 | bodyman | Hi everyone |
| 09:49.02 | crescent_ | I am a mutt newbie, I have read some time on it and set up my account but I can get mails, however trying to send emails results in ssmtp: Server didn't like our AUTH LOGIN (530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first), what should I do? |
| 09:49.09 | giacus | well, the issue is to downgrade |
| 09:49.15 | giacus | for what I know.. |
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| 09:51.01 | jelly-home | giacus: I don't have an idea why it's behaving like that, the stable is just a reasonable suggestion for a server if you can't deal with the funny stuff that testing/unstable does sometimes. |
| 09:51.04 | YanZh | hi! |
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| 09:51.45 | giacus | jelly-home: I was in love with testing, until some week ago :( |
| 09:52.05 | YanZh | i've got a problem with bttv that does take my option in /etc/modprobe.d/bttv |
| 09:52.12 | perlmonkey | do I use mkxfs to create an xfs filesystem on a raid device? |
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| 09:52.27 | jelly-home | giacus: IMO, it's ok for a desktop machine, but less so for a server. |
| 09:52.29 | YanZh | it takes only default option |
| 09:52.32 | giacus | this is a laptop, I just use it to play with my website copy on a local machine :( |
| 09:52.34 | pyrin | xingu, anyway to disable radius |
| 09:52.51 | karsten | perlmonkey: Type of storage shouldn't matter so long as it's a block device. |
| 09:52.59 | giacus | I already have my website hosted on the net |
| 09:53.13 | giacus | I just need apache2 for acally test |
| 09:53.17 | giacus | locally* |
| 09:53.24 | perlmonkey | karsten: ok thanks, was just checking that is the right/best tool to use for the job |
| 09:53.30 | perlmonkey | (mkxfs) |
| 09:53.39 | xingu | pyrin: it's happy enough with... ftp://ftp.penguin.cz/pub/users/mhi/libmd/ |
| 09:53.43 | jelly-home | giacus: dunno, "aptitude purge apache2-common apache-common" and reinstall ;-) |
| 09:53.44 | karsten | perlmonkey: Dunno. What's the manpage say? |
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| 09:54.03 | perlmonkey | The command mkxfs makes a xiafs file system on a low level formatted block device device. |
| 09:54.04 | xingu | pyrin: from ... http://martin.hinner.info/libmd/ |
| 09:54.05 | pyrin | xingu, did you get it working ? |
| 09:54.06 | giacus | jelly-home: did it few times.. goig to try again now :( |
| 09:54.10 | jelly-home | giacus: no, don't do that, sorry |
| 09:54.14 | xingu | pyrin: however there's a diff you need for libmd; 2s... |
| 09:54.19 | giacus | thanks |
| 09:54.29 | jelly-home | giacus: do "apt-get --purge remove apache2-common apache-common" |
| 09:54.36 | perlmonkey | I haven't formatted my raid devices |
| 09:54.37 | giacus | yeah |
| 09:54.52 | cast | perlmonkey: might be a good idea to look at lvm2 for a few minutes nowish |
| 09:54.58 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:55.03 | jelly-home | giacus: for some reason aptitude doesn't purge the dependencies so config is left behind |
| 09:55.10 | YanZh | nobody's got a idea to solve my issue? |
| 09:55.12 | wols_ | titii: then use php-cli, called by a mail processor |
| 09:55.43 | giacus | doh Package apache2-common is not installed, so not removed |
| 09:55.54 | pyrin | xingu, libmd-0.3 ? |
| 09:55.56 | xingu | pyrin: http://rafb.net/p/X4BNL548.html |
| 09:55.59 | xingu | pyrin: ja. |
| 09:56.04 | jelly-home | giacus: that's ok |
| 09:56.13 | pyrin | awesome |
| 09:56.26 | titii | wols_ that is a packake? |
| 09:56.38 | pyrin | xingu, rmd160.h patch ? |
| 09:56.39 | xingu | pyrin: use that patch for rmd160.h then set CFLAGS=-I/your/libmd/built/dir LDFLAGS=-L/your/libmd/built/dir ./configure |
| 09:56.46 | pyrin | aye |
| 09:56.46 | xingu | pyrin: ja. |
| 09:57.24 | xingu | pyrin: testing vs http://netacad.kiev.ua/flowc/index.php?id=3 -current. |
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| 09:59.27 | xingu | gosh I must be bored. |
| 09:59.40 | xingu | fixing flowc bugs, how very retro |
| 10:00.38 | giacus | jelly-home: found and issue restarting apache2: Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 192.168.3.8 for ServerName |
| 10:00.49 | giacus | not sure that could be a real issue.. |
| 10:01.43 | pyrin | xingu, im getting too much warnings |
| 10:01.50 | pyrin | but i gotta say |
| 10:01.52 | pyrin | you pwn :) |
| 10:02.16 | pyrin | thanks man |
| 10:02.19 | pyrin | it compiled |
| 10:02.32 | pyrin | brb ciggy then come back :) |
| 10:02.54 | pyrin | xingu, did you write that patch ? |
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| 10:02.57 | pyrin | brb |
| 10:03.01 | xingu | I'd use the words "cobbled" in close proximity with "it together", yes. |
| 10:03.09 | YanZh | please give me a clue, i get mad |
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| 10:04.23 | xingu | pyrin: nb, I bet that md5 implementation suffers from the rather spectacularly well known attacks on the rsa reference md5 |
| 10:04.37 | xingu | pyrin: so don't be putting your flow collector anywhere near your network's data plane |
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| 10:07.17 | xingu | perlmonkey: I take it your on again off again raid5 has decided to be happy now? |
| 10:07.49 | perlmonkey | xingu: yeah it seems stable now since reconstructing with 256k cluster, the spare was added in |
| 10:07.58 | xingu | nice |
| 10:08.14 | xingu | man, this radius_thread.c is toxic-poo-code. |
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| 10:08.23 | perlmonkey | I'm trying to figure out how to make xfs fs now, i take it support is not in the kernel by default? |
| 10:08.25 | xingu | radius_thread.c:198: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of ‘strcmp’ differ in signedness |
| 10:08.31 | perlmonkey | im not seeing any man page for mkfs.xfs |
| 10:08.33 | xingu | "now how could that possibly matter" |
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| 10:09.06 | xingu | perlmonkey: it's in xfsprogs |
| 10:09.13 | perlmonkey | oh, thanks |
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| 10:10.01 | thandavarayan | Can anybody tell to me, on which run-level dbus and hal gets started? |
| 10:10.37 | xingu | thandavarayan: ls /etc/rc?.d/S*{dbus,hal} |
| 10:10.49 | xingu | thandavarayan: rc2+ by the looks |
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| 10:11.18 | ofirg_ | is it possible to make a dir not readable by root? |
| 10:11.19 | pyrin | xingu, na man i just set it on a sperate vlan :) |
| 10:11.19 | pyrin | i know :D |
| 10:11.49 | xingu | ofirg_: not if root has physical access to the hardware. |
| 10:11.54 | spheard | hi, with phpmyadmin Im getting "Your configuration file contains settings (root with no password) that correspond to the default MySQL privileged account." warning, when Ive tried to fix this before Ive broken everything. whats the procedure? |
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| 10:12.21 | spheard | ofirg_:why would you want to? |
| 10:12.27 | xingu | ofirg_: you're stumbling into something known as discretionary acl's and capabilities based security |
| 10:12.48 | xand | spheard: change root mysql password |
| 10:12.54 | xingu | spheard: maybe his information doesn't want to be ree |
| 10:12.56 | tarzeau | xingu: of course sure |
| 10:13.00 | xingu | s/ree/free/ |
| 10:13.00 | tarzeau | ofirg_: chmod 000 thedir ? |
| 10:13.06 | thandavarayan | xingu: If I insert a custom script, which starts its own dbus and hal...can I choose the run-level higher then rc2+ right... |
| 10:13.13 | tarzeau | ofirg_: it's just that root can use chmod again to make it readable, unless you remove chmod |
| 10:13.45 | perlmonkey | xingu: I need some help with the creating the xfs :-/ mkfs -V -t xfs -f -d su=X,sw=Y <-- what should X and Y be? |
| 10:13.45 | spheard | ofirg_: there is always encryption, that how we hide stuff from ourselves |
| 10:14.11 | perlmonkey | su = stripe size |
| 10:14.20 | ma3x | hello, when i type netstat it displays something like calvino.freenode.n:ircd why doesn't it display the complete address with net at the end? is there an option for that? |
| 10:14.50 | spheard | xand: but that locks sqlmyadmin out |
| 10:15.11 | spheard | xand:phpmyadmin rather |
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| 10:15.41 | sep | lsof -n shows the hostnames are nubners. but the port is still translated to the service name instead of the port number ? can i get the service name as a port number ? |
| 10:15.44 | xingu | perlmonkey: su=4096 sw=262144 is my guess. |
| 10:15.48 | perlmonkey | thanks |
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| 10:17.45 | ma3x | anyone? |
| 10:17.46 | Nosferatu | bueller? |
| 10:17.48 | ma3x | anyone? |
| 10:17.48 | Nosferatu | bueller? |
| 10:18.07 | xingu | that's bashworthy comedy gold |
| 10:18.55 | ofirg_ | tarzeau, for some reason I can still find the files in there after I chmod 0000 |
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| 10:19.45 | perlmonkey | xingu: mkfs.xfs: Specified data stripe unit 8 is not the same as the volume stripe unit 512. Specified data stripe width 2097152 is not the same as the volume stripe width 2048. |
| 10:20.42 | perlmonkey | (mkfs -V -t xfs -f -d su=4096,sw=262144 /dev/md0) |
| 10:20.48 | spheard | ofirg_: you wont be able to do that, the filesystem logic doesnt permit it. |
| 10:21.04 | ofirg_ | ok |
| 10:21.05 | spheard | afaik |
| 10:21.24 | spheard | whats wrong with encrypting sensitive files? |
| 10:21.28 | sep | nobody have a clue for me ? regarding the lsof question |
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| 10:21.39 | perlmonkey | hi sep |
| 10:21.41 | xingu | perlmonkey: hmm, sounds like either the way they're querying dm is wrong, or, that your volume layout isn't what you asked it to be |
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| 10:21.53 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 10:21.59 | ofirg_ | spheard, I didn't encrypt anything yet, I am not sure how to do it |
| 10:22.00 | xingu | perlmonkey: 512b is the default block size on a linux block device; dunno where 2k is coming from. |
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| 10:22.18 | spheard | ofirg_: hang on |
| 10:22.34 | perlmonkey | bizarre |
| 10:22.54 | xingu | perlmonkey: in your shoes - I'd build it with defaults, benchmark, build with those settings, benchmark |
| 10:23.03 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:23.26 | xingu | perlmonkey: benchmark a /usr/bin/time dd if=/dev/zero of=/your/mounted/filesystem/somefile |
| 10:23.35 | perlmonkey | thanks :) |
| 10:23.44 | spheard | ofirg_: you could do something really flash, I think it would probably be the simplist (for you and the user) encrypt an entire volume. |
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| 10:24.31 | xingu | perlmonkey: actually use ibs=10240 obs=10240 in there too. |
| 10:24.31 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:24.31 | spheard | then they have a password protected vault where not even you can look |
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| 10:24.32 | Talaturen | hi, how i make .htdocs work with apache2? |
| 10:24.32 | xingu | perlmonkey: unlikely that stdio will be using 512b buffers for your real application ;) |
| 10:24.32 | cast | ahh hmm, how do i list all the hidden files in a directory tree? |
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| 10:24.36 | ofirg_ | spheard, that is a multiuser system |
| 10:25.12 | spheard | ofirg_: your trying to hide files from yourself? |
| 10:25.30 | ofirg_ | spheard, yes |
| 10:25.31 | perlmonkey | i need to reconstruct my array :-/ |
| 10:25.32 | xingu | someone needs to code up apt-get checkpoint and apt-get rollback |
| 10:25.45 | spheard | ofirg_: in case the poilce come knocking? |
| 10:25.50 | ofirg_ | spheard, I just want them not to be accesible for a moment |
| 10:26.17 | cast | ofirg_: SELinux? |
| 10:26.46 | chemaja | bored? aptitude install trackballs :) |
| 10:26.46 | ofirg_ | spheard, no... |
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| 10:27.45 | chemaja | and while you're there, install packagebrowser -- you'll never need to hunt for software on the web again ;) |
| 10:28.11 | chemaja | pity it's Qt not GTK+, but a small price to "pay" |
| 10:28.19 | matterteck | hey guys, my date command displays the wrong time, says it's Sun Jun 3 00:26:44 CDT 2007 right now, anything i can do to update it? |
| 10:28.26 | ofirg_ | spheard, is it possible to have an encrypted directory? |
| 10:28.48 | chemaja | matterteck, info date |
| 10:29.00 | wols_ | titii: php5-cli lets you write php shellscripts |
| 10:29.42 | matterteck | that just has date formats |
| 10:29.55 | chemaja | matterteck, sorry, look for 'date invocation' |
| 10:30.02 | perlmonkey | xingu: do you think I should have the meta log written onto a separate block device to avoid writing it over the raid? |
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| 10:30.52 | chemaja | matterteck, might just want to use the man page if that's what you're more familiar with |
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| 10:33.13 | giacus | hi guys |
| 10:33.57 | ma3x | hello, when i type netstat it displays something like calvino.freenode.n:ircd why doesn't it display the complete address with net at the end? is there an option for that? |
| 10:34.12 | giacus | got the same problem tryng apache2, boa and other webserver on Lenny: browser display the source code instead of regular page |
| 10:34.27 | giacus | it depend on some package.. |
| 10:34.37 | cast | ma3x: dunno, maybe its too long. i just use -n |
| 10:34.46 | giacus | since it happen with different webserver |
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| 10:35.11 | ma3x | cast, it is long. but -n would show the ip. i want the hostname |
| 10:35.21 | matterteck | sudo date --set='+4 hours' seems to have done the trick, thanks chemaja, didnt know if date could actually set the date haha |
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| 10:36.13 | matterteck | except it should have been +5 hours... |
| 10:36.18 | cast | ma3x: well the obvious thing to do is look for a relevent option in the manpage |
| 10:36.31 | ma3x | cast, there isn't one |
| 10:36.36 | chemaja | matterteck, that's what i initially thought for some bizarre coincidence |
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| 10:37.52 | cast | ma3x: haven't you answered your own question then? |
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| 10:38.12 | magic_pinguim_ | Hello :) |
| 10:38.22 | ma3x | cast, yes |
| 10:38.52 | wols_ | giacus: fix your config then. mime types mainly |
| 10:38.59 | cast | ma3x: could use -n and then feed the ips into host, if you really wanted it |
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| 10:39.21 | wols_ | giacus: it's not a browser problem |
| 10:39.27 | giacus | nope.. |
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| 10:39.58 | wols_ | giacus: besides, it's testing |
| 10:39.58 | giacus | wols_: infact.. ite seems to be a mime types issue .. |
| 10:40.15 | wols_ | giacus: what did I just say? |
| 10:40.23 | giacus | yeah |
| 10:40.30 | spheard | ofirg_: eh, heres a gentoo wiki, works in pretty much the smae way on deb http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Encrypt_Your_Home_Directory_Using_CFS |
| 10:41.02 | wols_ | giacus: what kind of files have this issue? |
| 10:42.24 | perlmonkey | if using xfs+raid, is there any benefit to having the xfs meta log stored on a separate drive not on the array? |
| 10:42.58 | giacus | wols_: apache2, boa and any other webserver I tried to run .. |
| 10:43.18 | wols_ | giacus: that is not what I asked |
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| 10:43.25 | giacus | sorry |
| 10:43.43 | perlmonkey | he means like .html, .php etc |
| 10:43.52 | giacus | apt found mime-support have some problem |
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| 10:44.05 | storm_ | Is there a way to make aptitude cough up a list of all packages I've installed, minus the ones pulled in as dependencies? |
| 10:44.06 | giacus | attempting to --purge it and reistall now |
| 10:44.25 | wols_ | storm_: #ubuntu is that way over there. this is the wrong channel for you |
| 10:44.34 | giacus | yeah. html |
| 10:44.35 | ma3x | cast, the ips might have different hostname |
| 10:44.52 | storm_ | wols_: Aptitude is a debian app, right? Even in Ubuntu. |
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| 10:45.03 | wols_ | giacus: then check if the browser gets text/html on a file or not |
| 10:45.06 | giacus | any browser I tried just show hmtl code.. |
| 10:45.09 | wols_ | !debian based |
| 10:45.09 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 10:45.26 | cast | ma3x: oh, so that isn't in effect the same as what netstat does anyway? |
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| 10:45.33 | giacus | wols_: I also tried with IE from another machine connected to the lan, same issue |
| 10:45.36 | storm_ | Alright, TFI |
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| 10:45.42 | giacus | I'm sure isnt the browser |
| 10:45.54 | wols_ | giacus: again. you are not answering my question |
| 10:46.04 | john_ | How do I set up the sound on my laptop ? |
| 10:46.05 | Almathea | How do I make init script being started at bootup? |
| 10:46.10 | matterteck | !flash |
| 10:46.10 | dpkg | from memory, flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 10:46.21 | matterteck | woop |
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| 10:46.34 | Braindead | Almathea: update-rc.d |
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| 10:46.52 | wols_ | !tell john_ about alsa |
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| 10:46.58 | perlmonkey | john_ alsaconf |
| 10:47.09 | Almathea | Braindead, thanks but like an example? |
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| 10:47.17 | giacus | wols_: sorry for my english, reading back now.. |
| 10:47.18 | john_ | perlmonkey, Yes, I've run that. What do I do next? |
| 10:47.26 | Braindead | Almathea: man update-rc.d |
| 10:47.41 | matterteck | !tell me about fonts |
| 10:47.45 | perlmonkey | make sure your speakers are plugged in and switched on? :P |
| 10:47.48 | wols_ | giacus: it's not your english that is a problem. that is fine |
| 10:47.53 | ma3x | cast, yahoo.com resolves to 66.94.234.13 and 66.94.234.13 w2.rc.vip.scd.yahoo.com no it's not the same |
| 10:48.19 | john_ | perlmonkey, They're integrated. |
| 10:48.37 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.49 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.00 | john_ | How to I make sounds eminate from my speakers? |
| 10:49.06 | Braindead | Almathea: and STFW, of course |
| 10:49.14 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 10:49.18 | Almathea | stfw? |
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| 10:49.30 | perlmonkey | john_ play an audio file or something? |
| 10:49.57 | john_ | perlmonkey, what's the simplest way to do that? |
| 10:50.00 | Almathea | If I get `System startup links for /etc/init.d/ntp-server' it means that it was automagicly already added? |
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| 10:50.24 | Braindead | Almathea: it was indeed during postinst |
| 10:50.27 | perlmonkey | john: are you running Gaim? |
| 10:50.30 | liable | !soundtest |
| 10:50.36 | Almathea | Stupidity. |
| 10:50.36 | liable | stupid bot |
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| 10:50.42 | wols_ | !soundcheck |
| 10:50.42 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 10:50.43 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 10:50.46 | john_ | perlmonkey, Not that I'm aware of. |
| 10:51.11 | Braindead | Almathea: "Stupidity." ? |
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| 10:51.22 | perlmonkey | these guys will help you test the sound, but gaim has sound capabilities built in also and allows you to test the sound effects |
| 10:51.42 | Almathea | Braindead, the assumption, that I want it added by default. |
| 10:51.57 | giacus | got no luck reinstalling mime-support, package is ok, html is always displayed as text in the browser |
| 10:52.02 | ma3x | cast, if you get info like bs1.ads.vip.ukl.yah:www or c25i423g.cable.wa:5425 it's useless, you can't see the second half of the information. and if you type -n after that the connection might be already gone |
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| 10:52.23 | Braindead | Almathea: yeah sure. why would anyone install a package? by the way you'd better stop using woody |
| 10:52.32 | matterteck | i get this error when trying to install flash: "E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate" contrib and non-free are part of my sources.list, any help? |
| 10:52.38 | Almathea | Braindead, what is woody? |
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| 10:52.49 | Braindead | Almathea: oldstable |
| 10:52.55 | Braindead | ntp-server is THAT old |
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| 10:53.11 | john_ | wols_, That made a rude sound. |
| 10:53.27 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 10:53.52 | Almathea | Braindead, if I install subversion, svnserve is added by default too? |
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| 10:54.39 | Almathea | Braindead, and update is out of the question, I don't want to go through debian stupidities, without being paid. |
| 10:54.46 | john_ | but when I run xmms, I get an error dialog "couldn't open audio" |
| 10:54.47 | wols_ | john_: congratulations. you have noise! |
| 10:54.52 | Braindead | Almathea: to be perfectly sincere I don't give a sideways fuck. go back to whatever you're using |
| 10:54.55 | perlmonkey | congrats |
| 10:54.58 | wols_ | john_: wrong xmms output plugin |
| 10:55.02 | wols_ | use oss |
| 10:55.13 | wols_ | ctrl-p |
| 10:55.39 | Almathea | You like that word, eh? I understand, using retarded distro on the everyday basic, would make me the same. |
| 10:55.44 | Almathea | But thanks anyways. |
| 10:55.51 | Braindead | kplstnkxbye |
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| 10:56.00 | perlmonkey | wtf? |
| 10:56.00 | john_ | wols_, It seems to be set to OSS |
| 10:56.15 | giacus | wols_: sorry.. solved reinstalling mime-support, damn iceweasel cache.. :s |
| 10:56.24 | giacus | it work! thanks ;P |
| 10:56.33 | wols_ | john_: fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
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| 10:56.48 | wols_ | john_: if any process shows up, it hogs sound output |
| 10:57.11 | cast | hold on, sarge is oldstable, woody is..oldoldstable? |
| 10:57.36 | john_ | wols_, That cmd shows nothing. |
| 10:57.40 | perlmonkey | wow so quick |
| 10:57.43 | sascha_ | it's long before icq age |
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| 10:58.16 | wols_ | john_: use alsa xmms output then? besides: by default, debian uses alsa with xmms, so you must've changed it |
| 10:58.21 | defected | openvz or xen ? |
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| 10:58.39 | cast | defected: is that a question? |
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| 10:59.15 | ManuP | i only want the first digit of $RANDOM (in bash). how do i do that? |
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| 10:59.27 | sigp239 | can anyone recommend a good filesharing application? |
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| 10:59.52 | wols_ | sigp239: ftp. awesome app and very lean |
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| 11:00.06 | CharminTheMoose | question: i have gnonlin-10.6-2 and yet jokosher is complaining that i need gstreamer plugin gnonlin version 10.4.2(CVS) or version 0.10.5. is this a bug? |
| 11:00.10 | wols_ | !comfort perlmonkey |
| 11:00.10 | dpkg | There, there, perlmonkey. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 11:00.15 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 11:00.24 | cast | defected: one provides paravirtualization [and full if you have IVT/AMDV] and one provides OS level virtualization, but besides that openvz isn't in debian. vserver, which is quite similar, is |
| 11:00.27 | john_ | wols_, Still makes no difference |
| 11:00.41 | perlmonkey | do you treat an xfs like any other fs and just mount it normally or does it need special mount procedures? |
| 11:00.42 | wols_ | john_: what was the error again? |
| 11:00.50 | cast | perlmonkey: normally. |
| 11:00.55 | perlmonkey | ok thanks |
| 11:00.58 | wols_ | perlmonkey: my non raid one works like any other |
| 11:01.02 | Braindead | uh yeah I mistook oldstable for woody. fucking ricers .... |
| 11:01.12 | Azio | hohum does anyone know a (sorry for offtopic) good chan to ask about Dl360 G2's - got a strange cpuerr I'm getting on the board, amber LED and i'm miffed (Sorry for offtopic) |
| 11:01.18 | wols_ | Braindead: once upon a time woody was oldstable |
| 11:01.19 | cast | perlmonkey: just beware not to rip the power out |
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| 11:01.29 | perlmonkey | cast: what happens then |
| 11:01.29 | tcpsyn | why would I have hda hdc... but no hdb? |
| 11:01.45 | Azio | tcpsyn isnt that a channel, primary secondary thing? |
| 11:01.47 | wols_ | tcpsyn: cause your primary ide channel slave has no harddisk connected |
| 11:01.48 | john_ | wols_, Oh hang on. I think it's just a permissions problem. |
| 11:01.59 | cast | perlmonkey: well it only journals FS metadata, some people have reported messed up files...like with trails of garbage on the end |
| 11:02.02 | Braindead | wols_: yeah, I know. but it currently isn't. I must've confused that Almathea zOMG optimized ricer |
| 11:02.08 | wols_ | john_: group audio |
| 11:02.16 | sigp239 | wols_: I meant a p2p file sharing app like gtk-gnutella |
| 11:02.23 | perlmonkey | cast: damn, but that would only affect the last file being written right? |
| 11:02.25 | Jacob_H | this is a bit of a long-shot, but does anyone have any idea why beryl would suddenly stop loading properly after a month or so of working fine? It seems to be conflicting with Gnome somehow so that neither the desktop nor the menu-bars work. |
| 11:02.35 | tcpsyn | Oh, I didn't realize it was mapped physically |
| 11:02.38 | tcpsyn | that makes sense then. |
| 11:02.39 | tcpsyn | heh |
| 11:02.42 | tcpsyn | thanks. |
| 11:02.52 | cast | perlmonkey: it only happened to open files IIRC, but yeah...xfs is good. keep backups, i wouldnt worry about it. |
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| 11:02.59 | tcpsyn | I'm getting crap reads from hdparm on both disks. |
| 11:03.02 | perlmonkey | ok cool |
| 11:03.11 | wols_ | !xfs |
| 11:03.11 | perlmonkey | I will try and get UPS soon |
| 11:03.11 | dpkg | xfs is probably the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures. |
| 11:03.16 | tcpsyn | Bet a nickel I have 40pin ide cables on em. |
| 11:03.32 | wols_ | define "crap reads" |
| 11:03.41 | xingu | if manup hadn't been such a rude bugger we would have told him that $((RANDOM % 10)) would do the trick. |
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| 11:04.24 | tcpsyn | wols_, 70MB/sec |
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| 11:04.34 | phix | aptitude |
| 11:04.37 | phix | Uncaught exception: ../../../src/generic/problemresolver/problemresolver.h:2216: generic_problem_resolver<PackageUniverse>::generic_problem_resolver(int, int, int, int, unsigned int, int, const PackageUniverse&) [with PackageUniverse = aptitude_universe]: Assertion "bd.broken_under(solution::root_node(initial_broken, universe, weights))" failed. |
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| 11:04.40 | wols_ | tcpsyn: what kind of raid? |
| 11:04.44 | tcpsyn | no raid |
| 11:04.45 | phix | wtf? |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'nvidia 9755' returned no results. |
| 11:05.02 | tcpsyn | eh, well, I guess it's not that bad. |
| 11:05.10 | cast | 70mb/s is normal for my sata 7200 drives |
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| 11:05.21 | phix | why would I get this error for? |
| 11:05.24 | wols_ | tcpsyn:no disk will do 70MB/s with 40pin cables. in fact, execpt perhaps raptors, no ide disk will do 70MB/s, period |
| 11:05.31 | phix | am I missing a library or something? |
| 11:05.40 | tcpsyn | wols_, then I'm good. |
| 11:06.04 | tcpsyn | I was just expecting better. |
| 11:06.12 | wols_ | cast: must be a damn big disk. with very dense data platters. my 250GB 7200 won't go above ~55MB/s. and I doubt any other does |
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| 11:06.18 | tcpsyn | Timing buffered disk reads: 212 MB in 3.02 seconds = 70.28 MB/sec |
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| 11:06.59 | Azio | heh |
| 11:07.07 | kairu0 | tcpsyn, brand? |
| 11:07.07 | cast | wols_: hmm, is a samsung 250gb. Timing buffered disk reads: 214 MB in 3.01 seconds = 71.00 MB/sec, zcav confirms :> |
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| 11:07.47 | wols_ | cast: lucky you. back when I bought mine, the t166 wasn't available yet. and my ide controller might be not as good as intel's or Sis' :) |
| 11:07.48 | kairu0 | how do i time my buffered disk reads? |
| 11:07.48 | Azio | Timing buffered disk reads: 214 MB in 3.03 seconds = 70.74 MB/sec |
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| 11:07.50 | Azio | likewise |
| 11:07.54 | tcpsyn | kairu8, I don't remember. |
| 11:08.01 | wols_ | kairu0: hdparm -tT |
| 11:08.02 | tcpsyn | kairu8, probably seagate. |
| 11:08.02 | Azio | are you using NCQ? ACPI? |
| 11:08.04 | Kris[LJ] | i was wondering, should i do a net inst or download all the cd iso's ?(whats the differense) |
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| 11:08.10 | Azio | I'm not |
| 11:08.18 | wols_ | Azio: you mean ahci. acpi is powermanagement |
| 11:08.18 | CharminTheMoose | question: i have gnonlin-10.6-2 and yet jokosher is complaining that i need gstreamer plugin gnonlin version 10.4.2(CVS) or version 0.10.5. is this a bug? |
| 11:08.20 | perlmonkey | xingu: 1st benchmark test: 335667200 bytes (336 MB) copied, 13.1443 seconds, 25.5 MB/s |
| 11:08.29 | wols_ | Kris[LJ]: netinst |
| 11:08.33 | Azio | yes |
| 11:08.35 | Azio | lmfao ;< |
| 11:08.38 | Azio | no sleep for me, sorry |
| 11:08.40 | xingu | perlmonkey: that's using the mkfs.xfs default su/sw? |
| 11:08.41 | nivanson | Kris[LJ]: the difference is about downloading all the cds or not. you probably want a netinstall, that will download anly what you need. |
| 11:08.46 | perlmonkey | xingu: aye |
| 11:08.48 | wols_ | !info jokosher |
| 11:08.49 | cast | it kind of takes a dump when i run everything through dm-crypt though :> |
| 11:08.51 | dpkg | jokosher: (simple and easy to use audio multi-tracker), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.2-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 417 kB, Installed size: 1604 kB |
| 11:08.59 | Kris[LJ] | oh kk thx alot |
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| 11:09.01 | xingu | perlmonkey: that smells like single platter performance to me |
| 11:09.01 | wols_ | cast: faster cpu! |
| 11:09.07 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 11:09.14 | tcpsyn | Will I see a noticable performance increase upgrading to sata? |
| 11:09.26 | Azio | I've had some grave problems using NCQ , as wols_ pointed out aptly ahci |
| 11:09.30 | tcpsyn | say 5 300GB drives in raid5? |
| 11:09.37 | wols_ | tcpsyn: imho no. not noticeably |
| 11:09.44 | neosmatrix | Timing buffered disk reads: 174 MB in 3.01 seconds = 57.75 MB/sec |
| 11:09.46 | Azio | kernel freaked out if i recall or it didnt mount at init level 2 |
| 11:09.52 | xingu | wols_: depends on workload |
| 11:10.02 | wols_ | tcpsyn: raid can be done on both ide or sata |
| 11:10.06 | Azio | tcpsyn sata is excellent |
| 11:10.17 | wols_ | xingu: yes, ncq is not in ide, but on average for desktop use: no |
| 11:10.18 | xingu | wols_: ncq pays off for scattered (multiuser/multiprocess) io patterns to the tune of +=10-12% |
| 11:10.18 | kairu0 | Timing buffered disk reads: 72 MB in 3.03 seconds = 23.80 MB/sec -- that's shit isnt it? |
| 11:10.19 | Kris[LJ] | then i wonder, why would people download the cd iso's ? |
| 11:10.31 | tcpsyn | wols_, aye, but I need to buy drives, I might as well get sata ones, I just wanted to know if I'd be dissapointed anyway. |
| 11:10.44 | xingu | wols_: and not at all for flatline performance and in fact -= on WD firmware at present. |
| 11:10.46 | cast | just for interests sake...: zcav /dev/mapper/sdb1_crypt gets 67000K/s, zcav /dev/sdb1 gets 71000K/s |
| 11:10.47 | wols_ | tcpsyn: if you buy drive, sata. no argument there. buying ide now is futile |
| 11:10.48 | Azio | heh yeah.. i was so mad i bought ncq10 drives |
| 11:10.54 | xingu | wols_: WD's disable readahead for ncq :) |
| 11:10.54 | Azio | couldn't use them with my debian kernel |
| 11:11.13 | Azio | tcpsyn I don't hink you'll be disapointed at all |
| 11:11.19 | cast | thats with amd64 port, aes, dual core athlon 2Ghz |
| 11:11.27 | sigp239 | does my sources.list look correct? |
| 11:11.28 | sigp239 | deb http://us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 11:11.29 | sigp239 | deb-src http://us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 11:11.29 | sigp239 | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 11:11.29 | sigp239 | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
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| 11:11.29 | tcpsyn | I just put in a gige switch and mbit nics |
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| 11:11.34 | Azio | I've built 10 or so systems with sata comprising of raid 0 and raid 1 |
| 11:11.39 | tcpsyn | hoping to get some noticable performance. |
| 11:11.41 | neosmatrix | my timing read was under a bit load with video playback/recording, apache, mysql, and azureus |
| 11:11.41 | tcpsyn | but nothing. |
| 11:11.46 | nivanson | Kris[LJ]: well, if they are doing many installs or simply dont have internet connection on the pc they are installing on |
| 11:11.52 | Azio | if your using i965 sort of architecure or similar, that 3GB/s is pretty amazing for disk io |
| 11:12.01 | Azio | we're all s775 |
| 11:12.07 | john_ | wols_, It seems to be working now. Thanks for your help. |
| 11:12.10 | perlmonkey | xingu: can I just umount the raid and create another xfs to experiment? or will it mess up the raid now? |
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| 11:12.26 | xingu | perlmonkey: just umount and remkfs |
| 11:12.29 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:12.33 | xingu | perlmonkey: is the next layer up from lvm |
| 11:12.53 | perlmonkey | I decided not to use lvm |
| 11:13.03 | xingu | dm then |
| 11:13.23 | perlmonkey | I think the limitation in performance may be because all of the devices are using a single ultrawide controller? |
| 11:13.23 | sigp239 | Can someone please tell me if my sources.list look correct? |
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| 11:14.02 | xingu | perlmonkey: that wouldn't be helping, but for 5x 18GB's scsi80 should be plenty. |
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| 11:14.04 | perlmonkey | UW is quite archaic eh |
| 11:14.10 | Kris[LJ] | nivanson: thx |
| 11:14.10 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:14.15 | AlexD | hi |
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| 11:14.48 | xingu | perlmonkey: spindles will probably be 5k4rpm anyway and I'm guessing 2 maybe 4 surfaces. |
| 11:15.07 | xingu | perlmonkey: are the disks 3.5" quarter-height? |
| 11:15.08 | cast | !tell sigp239 about paster |
| 11:15.09 | Azio | can i ask xingu what is 5k4rpm |
| 11:15.12 | perlmonkey | xingu: some of the drives are 10k and others are 7k |
| 11:15.14 | Azio | 5400rpm? |
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| 11:15.35 | xingu | perlmonkey: 10kprm 18G's? :) where'd you find *them* ? :) |
| 11:15.38 | Azio | most Sata are 7,200 rpm now |
| 11:15.44 | Azio | heh xingu |
| 11:15.45 | perlmonkey | xingu: :D |
| 11:15.51 | xingu | most sata do not come in sizes that small |
| 11:15.52 | Azio | in ultra2/3 caddies |
| 11:15.54 | Azio | (lol) |
| 11:15.56 | perlmonkey | xingu: i got them cheap on eBay, some were brand new! |
| 11:16.08 | perlmonkey | paid less than £5 each |
| 11:16.12 | xingu | 7k2 I could believe, but 10k? |
| 11:16.15 | Azio | ahh wow perlmonkey |
| 11:16.20 | Azio | sata? or scsi3? |
| 11:16.28 | perlmonkey | scsi-uw |
| 11:16.30 | Azio | sorry, ultra3 |
| 11:16.30 | sigp239 | Here is my sources.list does it look correct? http://paste.debian.net/29512 |
| 11:16.32 | Azio | nice |
| 11:16.48 | xingu | perlmonkey: in dmesg, what bus speed are you getting? 80MHz ? |
| 11:16.54 | Azio | i have an ibm netfinity 5500 here |
| 11:17.00 | cast | sigp239: sure, why? does it break? |
| 11:17.04 | Azio | it supports 6 x IBM caddies SCA ultra3 |
| 11:17.14 | Azio | raid 5 is pretty sweet for an old machine |
| 11:17.29 | Azio | faster than some of the latest architecture when it comes to booting... good old IBM bios' |
| 11:17.39 | gordboy | raid10 ftw |
| 11:17.42 | Azio | ohh, that is, after the initial POST's |
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| 11:17.58 | ribasushi | hi |
| 11:18.00 | Azio | heh well.. i believe it was an ibm proprietary one |
| 11:18.09 | ribasushi | stupid question but how do I check from the command line which version of a particular package is currently installed |
| 11:18.10 | Azio | 2 disks could fail, and it would "shrink" and/expand on hotplug |
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| 11:18.35 | Azio | tempted to get like 6 x 74gb but it would feel like I was pissing money away nowadays |
| 11:18.36 | xingu | hmm, 599-2326 is indeed a 18G/10krpm |
| 11:18.48 | sigp239 | cast: yes it breaks see here http://paste.debian.net/29513 |
| 11:19.06 | perlmonkey | xingu: target0:0:5: FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s ST (50 ns, offset 63) Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 7.0 |
| 11:19.24 | ribasushi | anyone? |
| 11:19.25 | Nosferatu | bueller? |
| 11:19.32 | cast | sigp239: you want this: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
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| 11:20.11 | sigp239 | cast: thanks |
| 11:20.12 | wols_ | !tell sigp239 about sources.list |
| 11:20.28 | revil | hi guys!! where are the manuals for developing? (eg: man 2 read ) |
| 11:20.37 | wols_ | manpages-dev |
| 11:20.40 | xingu | perlmonkey: u2wide can go up to 80MB/s; what actual card is that, and how long is the host<->disk cable? |
| 11:20.42 | ribasushi | dpkg -s, duh |
| 11:21.16 | Azio | heh |
| 11:21.18 | xingu | perlmonkey: oh, only on lvd, that's what it is |
| 11:21.23 | Azio | there are some nice ultra3 15k disks guys. |
| 11:21.24 | Azio | :) |
| 11:21.26 | perlmonkey | xingu: it's a magnia server with a 6 bay hotswappable raid built in |
| 11:21.35 | Azio | really damn fine ones |
| 11:21.41 | sigp239 | is there a way to tell which version of the nvidia.com driver is running on your system? |
| 11:21.43 | xingu | perlmonkey: *nod* must not be lvd between controller and disk bay |
| 11:21.44 | revil | thanks wols_ .. :) |
| 11:21.56 | xingu | perlmonkey: or someone's sold you the wrong cable. :) is worth researching. |
| 11:22.16 | Azio | sweet server dude |
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| 11:22.34 | Azio | I got a dell poweredge like that |
| 11:22.40 | Azio | not exactly hotswappable though |
| 11:22.42 | ofirg_ | i installed crack, but there is no crack command , how do i run it? |
| 11:23.21 | kairu0 | perlmonkey, is that a rack-mount? |
| 11:23.26 | spaka-s | help boot |
| 11:23.31 | Azio | nice chatting guys |
| 11:23.32 | Azio | ttyl |
| 11:23.35 | spaka-s | !help |
| 11:23.36 | ofirg_ | !crack |
| 11:23.43 | dpkg | crack: see source of spacehogs comment on apt |
| 11:23.43 | cast | ofirg_: no idea, look at dpkg -L crack |
| 11:23.48 | perlmonkey | kairu0: yes |
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| 11:24.21 | xingu | perlmonkey: nb; those disks should flood that bus when tuned correctly |
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| 11:24.24 | ofirg_ | ah |
| 11:24.28 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 11:24.32 | xingu | perlmonkey: you should be seeing 38-40MB/s throughput. |
| 11:24.33 | perlmonkey | I need to tune it |
| 11:24.35 | ofirg_ | it is with capital C |
| 11:24.39 | perlmonkey | damn |
| 11:24.49 | kairu0 | perlmonkey, what are you going to use it for? |
| 11:24.51 | xingu | perlmonkey: got as far as the re-mkfs with su/sv set? |
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| 11:25.08 | perlmonkey | xingu: that's where I'm at now |
| 11:25.23 | perlmonkey | not sure how to set the su/sw tho |
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| 11:25.57 | xingu | su=4096, sw=262144 ? |
| 11:25.59 | perlmonkey | kairu0: it's my general gateway/webserver, and i'm also using it for xfs raid for mythtv |
| 11:26.21 | perlmonkey | xingu: ok will try |
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| 11:26.26 | ferro | hi |
| 11:26.43 | ferro | i have a problem when i try to install fglrx |
| 11:26.52 | AlexD | will using 'apt-get dist-upgrade' on etch upgrade it to lenny? |
| 11:26.54 | Drgb | is there a way to issue a low level format with a debian installer cd? |
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| 11:28.40 | AlexD | or will it update etch |
| 11:28.49 | Ansel2 | does anybody know where i can disable my ntfs-partitions beeing viewed as removables in gnome? |
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| 11:30.44 | kairu0 | Ansel2, if you mount them in /mnt instead of /media it should be ok |
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| 11:31.14 | perlmonkey | xingu: these are the drives with 10k i got: Seagate Cheetah 18LP, i got two |
| 11:32.07 | Ansel2 | @kairu0: thats what i did but they still apeared now i changed to /media |
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| 11:32.38 | kairu0 | Ansel2, okay i dunno then |
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| 11:33.29 | kairu0 | hehe |
| 11:33.36 | perlmonkey | :-D |
| 11:33.39 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 11:33.45 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 11:34.13 | xingu | perlmonkey: check to see if your scsi controller is lvd capable and if you've got a lvd cable fitted |
| 11:34.31 | Rakker | Hi, I am running Debian etch with 2.6.18-4-486. I am using OSS because alsa does not work for my card (MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)). This works fine, but when I switch between programs that use the sound device (even after it stopped making sound), it tells me that the device/resource is busy. Normally I have to restart the program that used it (ex: iceweasel with flash videos). Anyone know what I can do to prevent this from happening? |
| 11:34.45 | xingu | perlmonkey: eyeball check will tell you; lvd requires a fancy cable, like 80pin ide cable (twisted pairs in ribbon) |
| 11:34.48 | perlmonkey | kairu0: I have toshiba tecra 9100 and 8100 laptops which are seriously slow with old 5400RPM drives, but when I use nfs and mount /home on the raid, phew those laptops become very fast |
| 11:34.55 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 11:35.22 | abrotman | Rakker: blame flash .. use a mixer |
| 11:35.23 | Azio | i have to say i'm happy with the latest release of etch |
| 11:35.32 | jonny | Hey, Im wandering if anyone can help me, im new to debian and when i try to run a game i get this..---|>http://pastebin.se/18737 |
| 11:35.37 | Azio | it was quite offputting having all the earlier versions broken ;P |
| 11:35.59 | Rakker | abrotman: excuse my ignorance, but what mixer could I use? |
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| 11:36.05 | xingu | perlmonkey: http://www.mcpb.com/assets/images/lg.cie.x68mf.1x2.gif |
| 11:36.16 | abrotman | Rakker: alsa really doesn't owrk ? |
| 11:36.18 | kairu0 | perlmonkey, same boat here. did you find any hdparm tweaks for those though? |
| 11:36.21 | abrotman | !dmix |
| 11:36.21 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 11:36.33 | Azio | graphics drivers :> |
| 11:36.33 | abrotman | but i don't remember an OSS mixer |
| 11:36.44 | xingu | perlmonkey: ... you get the general idea. |
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| 11:37.29 | xingu | perlmonkey: from the spec sheet those cheetah's are both se and lvd capable. |
| 11:37.31 | Rakker | abrotman: ok, I will do some research :) thank you |
| 11:37.33 | EasyRider | Anyone have experience with Automatix? |
| 11:37.46 | xand | !anyone |
| 11:37.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:38.03 | xingu | perlmonkey: so in theory if everything on the bus is lvd and the controller and cable are capable - you ought to be running 80MHz |
| 11:38.08 | perlmonkey | phew that server weighs 40kg nearly and had to be dragged from cupboard |
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| 11:38.24 | xingu | perlmonkey: did you get a timing for the re-mkfs'd filesystem? |
| 11:38.34 | perlmonkey | i unlocked the panel from the front and took a look, it has a fancy blue/white/red twisted cable |
| 11:38.44 | Azio | what is the difference between SE and LVD ( i know LVD is low voltage right?) |
| 11:38.56 | xingu | perlmonkey: that sounds right; so possibly your other two disks are non-lvd |
| 11:39.07 | perlmonkey | that must be it |
| 11:39.09 | EasyRider | Ok, do Automatix work good or dose it just work somtimes, and with a few machines. Respected program? |
| 11:39.12 | xingu | Azar: low voltage differential; signal and ground are both driven at dipoles. |
| 11:39.25 | xingu | Azar: eliminates ringing on the cable at higher frequencies. |
| 11:39.27 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 11:39.31 | Azio | ahh right cool |
| 11:39.36 | perlmonkey | I need to upgrade those drives to get max performance eh |
| 11:39.51 | xingu | perlmonkey: or put the other two on a different bus/ controller |
| 11:39.52 | Azio | so better for higher access rate's - or just lots of small files on the bus |
| 11:39.59 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:40.02 | xingu | perlmonkey: is there a "split the backplane" option documented for the raid cage? |
| 11:40.07 | Azio | thanks :) |
| 11:40.17 | perlmonkey | phew not sure |
| 11:40.27 | AlexD | is there a way to run wine with oss and others with alsa? |
| 11:40.43 | xingu | Azar: more bandwidth in the data phase - higher throughput for (>~4K) long transfers |
| 11:41.01 | perlmonkey | xingu: one of the other drives is FUJITSU MAE3182LC |
| 11:41.09 | Azio | haha ;O |
| 11:41.11 | Azio | remove it |
| 11:41.14 | xingu | Azar: all copper scsi uses 5MHz/async during the command phase and for short transfers the command phase timing totally dominates the io profile. |
| 11:41.22 | Azio | ahhh |
| 11:41.27 | perlmonkey | xingu: and there are also 2 x HP 18.2GB A 80-SA40 |
| 11:41.32 | Azio | perlmonkey: i've had a bad experience with fujitsu scsi drives |
| 11:41.43 | Azio | thanks xingu that is very nice of you to explain |
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| 11:42.19 | perlmonkey | I had no probs with fujisu i ran one in my old server for many years |
| 11:42.20 | xingu | this is why smart raid cages are a good idea with copper scsi |
| 11:42.29 | Azio | heh perlmonkey well i just bought 5 x dl360's |
| 11:42.32 | Azio | 3x g2 , 2x g1 |
| 11:42.39 | xingu | bus contention during the command phase is a near certainty at 7k2rpm+ |
| 11:42.41 | AlexD | guys please,i beg you |
| 11:42.45 | Azio | turned out one of the ultra 3 18.4GB 10k's was dead in one of them.. |
| 11:42.54 | jonny | Hey, Im wandering if anyone can help me, im new to debian and when i try to run a game i get this..---|>http://pastebin.se/18737 |
| 11:42.54 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 11:43.00 | Azio | i wasnt shocked when i found out the broken disk was from fuji |
| 11:43.02 | Azio | :P |
| 11:43.07 | tarzeau | jonny: which game? |
| 11:43.11 | jonny | Tibia |
| 11:43.12 | jonny | :/ |
| 11:43.18 | jonny | something about |
| 11:43.18 | tarzeau | jonny: ati? |
| 11:43.23 | perlmonkey | xingu: do you think it would be better to move to a raid controller hard? |
| 11:43.29 | jonny | OpenGL |
| 11:43.31 | jonny | errrr |
| 11:43.31 | jonny | sec |
| 11:43.34 | tarzeau | jonny: but ati fglrx ? |
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| 11:43.43 | Rakker | abrotman: flash sure likes a mixer inbetween :P getting errors all over the output. Guess I will just have to live with it till I get alsa running with a newer kernel maybe. Thanks again for anwsering tho |
| 11:43.45 | LeVA | I can't install php5 for apache 1.3 with unstable: |
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| 11:43.48 | LeVA | # apt-get install libapache-mod-php5 |
| 11:43.49 | LeVA | [...] |
| 11:43.49 | LeVA | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 11:43.49 | LeVA | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.49 | LeVA | E: Broken packages |
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| 11:44.08 | LeVA | great... |
| 11:44.21 | perlmonkey | I have a 75GB scsi uw in my werkstation here |
| 11:44.43 | xingu | perlmonkey: MAE3182LC is lvd |
| 11:44.44 | perlmonkey | I wanted to put 6 x 75GB in my server raid but the cost was prohibitive |
| 11:44.44 | LeVA | so, how can one install php5 mod for apache-1.3 with unstable? |
| 11:44.51 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 11:44.52 | jonny | whats the terminal command again tarzeau? im new to Debian but i had it up earlier :S |
| 11:45.14 | jonny | someone else tried helping, but said edit xorg.conf, then others said dont edit it |
| 11:45.17 | abrotman | Rakker: there's a newer alsa in etch also |
| 11:45.20 | tarzeau | jonny: grep Drive /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 11:45.26 | Braindead | LeVA: lenny is not unstable. |
| 11:45.33 | tarzeau | jonny: the question is which driver you use |
| 11:45.36 | jonny | k |
| 11:45.41 | LeVA | Braindead: I know. why do you say that? |
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| 11:45.51 | jonny | errr |
| 11:45.55 | Braindead | LeVA: 13:44 < LeVA> so, how can one install php5 mod for apache-1.3 with unstable? |
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| 11:46.02 | perlmonkey | xingu: that just leaves the HP drives, i couldnt find out the spec or any info on those |
| 11:46.05 | Braindead | LeVA: 13:43 < LeVA> libapache-mod-php5: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.0-10+lenny1) but 5.2.2-2 is to be installed |
| 11:46.07 | jonny | ill tell you in #floor |
| 11:46.09 | jonny | flood* |
| 11:46.11 | Braindead | can you spot the difference ? |
| 11:46.25 | xingu | perlmonkey: yes, the 80SA40 seems to be a 9GB drive? |
| 11:46.32 | jonny | tarzeau: Join #Floor and ill copy what it says |
| 11:46.49 | perlmonkey | that's weird these are definitely 18.2GB drives |
| 11:46.52 | Braindead | LeVA: and btw http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393595 you should learn to use the Debian BTS |
| 11:47.08 | ajs | Is gcc-4.1 hosed in x86 unstable or is it just amd64? |
| 11:47.18 | AlexD | why r u guys ignoring me? |
| 11:47.24 | xingu | perlmonkey: try lsscsi -l |
| 11:47.33 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:47.38 | abrotman | might be the lack of letters in your query |
| 11:47.42 | xingu | it's a hail mary. :) |
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| 11:48.34 | LeVA | Braindead: so unstable has not got php5 module for apache-1.3, but it has the apache-1.3 package? |
| 11:49.48 | perlmonkey | xingu: SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AIC-7896U2/7897U2 appears twice |
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| 11:50.09 | perlmonkey | xingu: I couldnt get no output for lsscsi |
| 11:50.48 | abrotman | how about .. don't use unstable ? |
| 11:51.21 | LeVA | good idead, thanks |
| 11:51.24 | perlmonkey | Device Files: Model: "HP 18.2GB A 80-SA40" /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-SHP_18.2GB_A_80-SA4_AKFW7722 |
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| 11:51.34 | xingu | perlmonkey: gotta go; /msg me the final timing? |
| 11:51.34 | HostilePenguin | how to change xdm resolution |
| 11:51.40 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:51.49 | perlmonkey | thanks for all your help |
| 11:51.50 | AlexD | will using experimental mode in kmix work? |
| 11:52.03 | xingu | perlmonkey: I think those HP disks are something else like seagates or maxtors; probably says, on the sticker. |
| 11:52.11 | abrotman | !drxx HostilePenguin |
| 11:52.11 | dpkg | HostilePenguin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:52.19 | perlmonkey | ah yes you're right, HP dont make drives eh |
| 11:52.19 | xingu | perlmonkey: google's turning up a total blank - it's just the string burnt into the firmware (oem/vendor) |
| 11:52.24 | xingu | anyway |
| 11:52.26 | xingu | offski |
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| 11:53.08 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.37 | AlexD | thx for ur help bye |
| 11:54.36 | perlmonkey | we are not getting max throughoutput |
| 11:54.51 | abrotman | we aren't? |
| 11:55.03 | perlmonkey | :-/ 25.5M/sec |
| 11:55.17 | perlmonkey | should be 40M |
| 11:55.21 | abrotman | ultra160 ? |
| 11:55.34 | abrotman | Mb or MB ? |
| 11:55.56 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:56.51 | perlmonkey | each of the devices is reporting 40.0 MB/s ST (50 ns, offset 31) |
| 11:57.12 | perlmonkey | yet in raid its down to 25MB/s |
| 11:57.18 | xingu | perlmonkey: sorry just before I totally go, double ibs/obs ? |
| 11:57.29 | perlmonkey | ok xingu |
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| 11:57.40 | perlmonkey | xingu: i haven't made the new xfs yet :-/ |
| 11:57.43 | abrotman | that's drive speed .. not raid speed |
| 11:57.44 | xingu | perlmonkey: that 40MB/s is your 20MB/s clock on 16bit-wide //-scsi |
| 11:57.54 | xingu | perlmonkey: oh. :) well get a shuffle on. :) |
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| 11:57.56 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 11:58.13 | abrotman | premature eh ? |
| 11:58.24 | perlmonkey | I need to rmfs? |
| 11:58.30 | perlmonkey | *remfs |
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| 11:58.56 | xingu | perlmonkey: just umount and mkfs right over the top of it. |
| 11:59.02 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:59.16 | lbt | you'll need to --force it |
| 11:59.19 | infidel | anyone a have a link on how to re-size a winxp disk so i can install debian? |
| 11:59.30 | perlmonkey | will try |
| 11:59.48 | Ansel1 | knoppix and gparted ^^ |
| 11:59.52 | jonny | Hey, Im wandering if anyone can help me, im new to debian and when i try to run a game i get this..---|>http://pastebin.se/18737 |
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| 12:00.23 | Ansel1 | @infidel: Knoppix is a cd-run-linux including the great partition-software gparted that is able to do what you wish! |
| 12:00.33 | infidel | Ansel1, ok thanks |
| 12:02.03 | perlmonkey | xingu: much improved: 643297280 bytes (643 MB) copied, 19.8881 seconds, 32.3 MB/s |
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| 12:02.15 | infidel | Ansel1, will ubuntu cd do the same? |
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| 12:02.44 | Ansel1 | i don't know, never tried. |
| 12:02.47 | xingu | perlmonkey: actually reading some more; try with su=2048 sw=2048 |
| 12:02.51 | xingu | perlmonkey: and rebench? |
| 12:02.51 | Ansel1 | let me take a look |
| 12:02.53 | abrotman | perlmonkey: stil not 40!!! |
| 12:02.54 | perlmonkey | maybe thats the best we can hope for with these mixture of drives eh |
| 12:03.01 | xingu | perlmonkey: actually su=512 sw=2048 sorry |
| 12:03.05 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 12:03.28 | xingu | perlmonkey: and yes that with async command overhead is probably close to the realistic max throughput. |
| 12:03.31 | abrotman | but i din't think it will actually get to 40 |
| 12:03.38 | tcpsyn | is anyone using a nas device? |
| 12:03.43 | abrotman | !ask |
| 12:03.43 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:03.48 | xingu | dumb raid on copper scsi really reams you |
| 12:03.55 | jonny | Hey, Im wandering if anyone can help me, im new to debian and when i try to run a game i get this..---|>http://pastebin.se/18737 |
| 12:03.57 | tcpsyn | that is my question. |
| 12:04.06 | abrotman | tcpsyn: ask a real question |
| 12:04.20 | xingu | while the HA is starting a command to the next disk in the stripe it's clobbering the commands already on the transport. |
| 12:04.25 | tcpsyn | abrotman, are you using a nas device? |
| 12:04.38 | xingu | winners do external raid packs on copper transports. :) |
| 12:04.51 | tcpsyn | yes or no, that's even less letters than !ask |
| 12:04.53 | Ansel1 | @infidel: just boot and try. except use knoppix or some commercial windows product |
| 12:04.57 | abrotman | tcpsyn: "I'm looking at possibly getting a NAS device .. do you know if I'll have any problems with samba" ? |
| 12:05.20 | abrotman | jonny: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 12:05.35 | xingu | perlmonkey: back with us yet with su=512 sw=2048 ? |
| 12:05.40 | perlmonkey | data su must be a multiple of the sector size (4096) |
| 12:05.45 | perlmonkey | :-/ wouldnt make the xfs |
| 12:05.53 | tcpsyn | abrotman, "I'm looking at possibly getting a NAS device.. what would you suggest betweeon 500-1000 starting at 1TB and scalable to about 4. |
| 12:05.54 | infidel | Ansel1, ok thanks for your help |
| 12:05.54 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok well leave what you've got then. |
| 12:05.56 | tcpsyn | " |
| 12:06.00 | perlmonkey | okies |
| 12:06.09 | xingu | perlmonkey: and call it a day; next-steps, id those last two drives and the controller |
| 12:06.09 | perlmonkey | thanks, thats quite good performance eh |
| 12:06.16 | abrotman | tcpsyn: i'd run Debian on it! |
| 12:06.17 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 12:06.18 | mike | can't access tty; job control turned off err hmm |
| 12:06.19 | xingu | perlmonkey: reconfirm that they're lvd-capable and address if not |
| 12:06.31 | tcpsyn | abrotman, I intend to. |
| 12:06.33 | xingu | perlmonkey: then you should get up to say 60-70MB/s on the same transport |
| 12:06.38 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 12:06.44 | tcpsyn | abrotman, a debian mythtv server actually. |
| 12:06.52 | abrotman | tcpsyn: so why are you getting a NAS device .. just get a whitebox |
| 12:06.56 | xingu | perlmonkey: an lvd pci controller will cost beans as will another 2x 18G disks. |
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| 12:07.06 | perlmonkey | i will sort it |
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| 12:07.21 | xingu | perlmonkey: fleabay if necessary, life's too short for slow io |
| 12:07.39 | tcpsyn | abrotman, Because I want to be able to add drives easily... without worrying about heat, power, space.. etc. |
| 12:07.41 | perlmonkey | too short ya |
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| 12:08.22 | tcpsyn | Building a box is an option, but I may be better off with a standalone device |
| 12:08.27 | jonny | Abrotman: sorry was afk |
| 12:08.28 | perlmonkey | xingu: will my max performance be better than what sata has to offer for single large drive? |
| 12:08.29 | SoftIce | hmm is there a package BASE for debian (basic analysis and security engine) ? |
| 12:08.36 | jonny | direct rendering: Yes |
| 12:08.51 | abrotman | tcpsyn: uhm ... anything that size will generate heat and be noisy |
| 12:09.17 | perlmonkey | I think I did a good move by changing to xfs for large files |
| 12:09.28 | infidel | Ansel1, i think i'm going to try the gparted live cd that should work, i hope and it's only 48Mb to download |
| 12:09.35 | xingu | perlmonkey: at 40MB/s you're about en par with a single consumer notebook sata drive |
| 12:09.38 | perlmonkey | would of be interesting to see the benchmark comparison tho on an ext3 |
| 12:09.41 | xingu | perlmonkey: like the one in this lappy |
| 12:09.42 | tcpsyn | right. But the nas is designed for it correctly.. whereas throwing 10 drives in a server may cause an issue. I've already got my current box jimmy rigged to fit more drives than it can. |
| 12:09.45 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 12:09.49 | asg | SoftIce: no |
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| 12:09.53 | xingu | perlmonkey: at 60MB/s you're getting ahead a little |
| 12:09.54 | tcpsyn | I mean, if I get something that has 10 hot swappable drives... |
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| 12:10.03 | YanZh | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.03 | YanZh | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.06 | tcpsyn | that's probably more scalable than even a giant server case. |
| 12:10.06 | SoftIce | thanks asg |
| 12:10.19 | asg | SoftIce: sorry, yes |
| 12:10.25 | asg | SoftIce: it's called 'acidbase' |
| 12:10.40 | asg | !info acidbase etch |
| 12:10.43 | dpkg | acidbase: (Basic Analysis and Security Engine), section web, is optional. Version: 1.2.7-4 (etch), Packaged size: 367 kB, Installed size: 1932 kB |
| 12:10.51 | SoftIce | ahh, thanks |
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| 12:11.22 | xingu | perlmonkey: it'd be better to benchmark it to ext2; ext3 profiles get dominated by journal write and commit |
| 12:11.29 | Ansel1 | @infidel: even better, didnt know that i exist ^^ |
| 12:11.35 | jonny | Hey, Im wandering if anyone can help me, im new to debian and when i try to run a game i get this..---|>http://pastebin.se/18737 |
| 12:11.41 | perlmonkey | the real test will be when I mount that raid in my mythtv box over nfs and start streaming video |
| 12:11.45 | xingu | perlmonkey: xfs is a reasonable pick for your goals; if you're playing, it might be worth a look at jfs too. |
| 12:11.49 | YanZh | i ve got a problem with alsa. it does not save alsaconf when i restart |
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| 12:11.58 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 12:12.00 | tcpsyn | I could run a box too, but I'm weary of having 5 drives in the same box as a bunch of pci devices. |
| 12:12.04 | perlmonkey | ext2 is more logical for raid eh |
| 12:12.21 | tcpsyn | I just want to do it right, so I don't have to buy all new stuff in a year. |
| 12:12.33 | perlmonkey | writing is slow on raid-5 |
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| 12:13.32 | tcpsyn | so... about my original question. Is anyone using a nas device? |
| 12:13.38 | abrotman | tcpsyn: you'll need to give us more info i guess .. |
| 12:13.43 | tcpsyn | Alright. |
| 12:13.48 | abrotman | or not |
| 12:13.48 | tcpsyn | Here's what I want. |
| 12:13.51 | xingu | perlmonkey: <opinion type="religious">yes, raid5 is always crap.</> :) |
| 12:13.56 | perlmonkey | :D |
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| 12:14.20 | tcpsyn | I want at least 1tb usable in a raid 5 to start. |
| 12:14.42 | asg | tcpsyn: how much are you willing to spend? |
| 12:14.56 | tcpsyn | 1000 |
| 12:15.01 | tcpsyn | give or take a few hundred. |
| 12:15.30 | tcpsyn | I also need at least 4 pci slots. |
| 12:15.41 | tcpsyn | for tv tuners |
| 12:15.48 | tcpsyn | and a gig nic |
| 12:15.50 | perlmonkey | are you making a mythtv box? |
| 12:16.12 | asg | sure sounds like it |
| 12:16.24 | abrotman | sw raid or hw raid ? |
| 12:16.26 | tcpsyn | Yeah. I've got a pretty nice one now, but It's out of room and I'm out of real estate. |
| 12:16.38 | tcpsyn | I don't think I care really.. |
| 12:16.39 | perlmonkey | :) |
| 12:16.42 | tcpsyn | as long as it's redundant. |
| 12:16.47 | tcpsyn | but might as well go hardware. |
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| 12:16.55 | perlmonkey | I'm doing mythtv on a much more modest scale |
| 12:17.01 | perlmonkey | but its working well |
| 12:17.12 | tcpsyn | yeah. Right now I have 2 tuners and 300G |
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| 12:17.20 | perlmonkey | i got a frontend working over wifi on my laptop and its pretty smooth |
| 12:17.22 | tcpsyn | but it's on the same box as my webserver and email server. |
| 12:17.28 | tcpsyn | it's just maxed out. |
| 12:17.29 | perlmonkey | thats only 11b too |
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| 12:18.06 | tcpsyn | whoah |
| 12:18.06 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 12:18.07 | tcpsyn | want to sell a couple? |
| 12:18.15 | tcpsyn | I have 2. I wouldn't mind 2 more. |
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| 12:18.20 | perlmonkey | i have to test them but may do ya |
| 12:18.20 | abrotman | tcpsyn: if you want 4TB .. and hwraid .. and SATA .. you're talking about an eight port card |
| 12:18.25 | larsl | The last zsnes package in Lenny crashes for me with the error "*** glibc detected *** zsnes: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0xbfc5ce82 ***" - has anyone else seen that? |
| 12:18.27 | perlmonkey | but these are LP |
| 12:18.49 | tcpsyn | abrotman 4tb might be excessive. I'll drop it down to 2tb |
| 12:19.05 | tcpsyn | since I'm at about 500G now.. 4x that should do me for the next few years |
| 12:19.10 | abrotman | 4 port card with 750GB drives then |
| 12:19.38 | perlmonkey | tcpsyn: do you not bother with dvd at all and just use hdd storage? |
| 12:19.50 | tcpsyn | I rip the dvds to hdd |
| 12:19.58 | tcpsyn | each dvd is about 8G |
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| 12:20.27 | perlmonkey | I wanted to put the emphasis on making archive dvds and use minimal hdd space for recording, but i havent had any luck so far using mythburn |
| 12:20.28 | abrotman | anyways .. hw raid cards aren't cheap :) |
| 12:20.36 | perlmonkey | sorry this is going a bit OT for here |
| 12:20.41 | tcpsyn | couple hundred bucks right? |
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| 12:20.51 | tcpsyn | See, it might be cheaper for me to get an external device |
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| 12:21.34 | perlmonkey | external is a good way mythtv eh |
| 12:22.09 | tcpsyn | just the storage. I mean, I can use my current box for the mythbackend. |
| 12:22.12 | tcpsyn | it works fine |
| 12:22.15 | perlmonkey | I have accquired a 1u server if anyone wants to buy it :P |
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| 12:22.35 | sobersabre | guys, I still have the ia64 testing installer boot problem. |
| 12:22.42 | tcpsyn | perlmonkey, you "accquire" a lot. |
| 12:22.43 | sobersabre | I cannot get it to boot. |
| 12:22.56 | perlmonkey | im always buying stuff |
| 12:23.07 | tcpsyn | I just upgraded my network to gigE |
| 12:23.15 | perlmonkey | soon i will run out of space |
| 12:23.16 | tcpsyn | and I intend to have 3 frontends |
| 12:23.20 | sobersabre | I've tried misc no* or apm=off etc. stuff, but it doesn't help. After kernel is loaded, initrd is loaded, and then the machine is stuck. |
| 12:23.29 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 12:23.37 | perlmonkey | I have 2 frontends now, one on laptop |
| 12:23.39 | sobersabre | this is a zx1/rx4XXX based machine |
| 12:24.02 | tcpsyn | I'll probably use xboxs for my other two frontends. |
| 12:24.06 | tcpsyn | But I still need space |
| 12:24.08 | perlmonkey | my aim is to setup a frontend and backend on a dell optiplex and use fx 5200 geoforce for tv out |
| 12:24.22 | tcpsyn | thats about what I'm doing. |
| 12:24.35 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 12:24.35 | tcpsyn | I have multihead now and I use twinview to tvout |
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| 12:24.56 | perlmonkey | is the tv out quality ok? |
| 12:25.02 | tcpsyn | perfect. |
| 12:25.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you remember pixie? |
| 12:25.13 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 12:25.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~okan/Pixie/pixie.htm |
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| 12:25.53 | tcpsyn | and I use lirc over ip... which is nice. |
| 12:25.58 | tcpsyn | so one remote controls two boxes. |
| 12:26.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: annabele ? |
| 12:26.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: no the rib compatible renderer |
| 12:26.35 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:26.38 | tcpsyn | Then I gotta figure out what to do with all these various ide drives. |
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| 12:26.59 | perlmonkey | tcpsyn: do you use dvb? I'm stuck with a crappy cable box which uses non-standard ir |
| 12:27.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got the package almost ready, want to help? |
| 12:27.22 | tcpsyn | no, I use straight analog cable. |
| 12:27.29 | tcpsyn | for now. |
| 12:27.32 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 12:28.04 | perlmonkey | I had to accquire one of those "redeye" remotes to convert the cable box remote codes |
| 12:28.48 | jonny | Hey, Im wandering if anyone can help me, im new to debian and when i try to run a game i get this..---|>http://pastebin.se/18737 |
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| 12:32.59 | abrotman | jonny: did you compile the game ? |
| 12:33.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: if it's almost ready .. what do you need help for ? |
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| 12:33.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: why can't you do something just once, it has some library shit |
| 12:34.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: i hate library packaging |
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| 12:34.29 | kairu0 | perlmonkey, is all this tweaking for mythtv? |
| 12:34.32 | jonny | abrotman, its not about compiling the game |
| 12:34.36 | jonny | its something to do with graphics |
| 12:34.38 | perlmonkey | kairu0: yeah |
| 12:34.40 | jonny | OPenGL |
| 12:34.51 | tcpsyn | man. you weren't joking about raid cards |
| 12:34.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.george-graphics.co.uk/pixiewiki_install/images/3/39/AI_test_caustic.jpg |
| 12:34.56 | tcpsyn | I was thinking like 200. |
| 12:34.58 | abrotman | jonny: okay .. then ask the people that gave you the binary game |
| 12:35.11 | ManuP | how do i create an iso of an cd via console? with dd or an other command? |
| 12:35.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: i've seen the images |
| 12:35.22 | jonny | iv read amongst the support forums, its to do with my drivers i think |
| 12:35.29 | abrotman | ManuP: yes |
| 12:35.36 | abrotman | jonny: so which drivers are you using ? |
| 12:35.40 | YanZh | does anyone can help e frog? |
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| 12:36.02 | tarzeau | i mean povray still is not in main (still no 4.x)? |
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| 12:36.43 | jonny | whats the terminal command? i had it all written down but lost it |
| 12:36.44 | ManuP | abrotman, so i do dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/home/foo.iso ? |
| 12:36.58 | tarzeau | ManuP: why not use cdread ? |
| 12:37.11 | perlmonkey | mke2fs -b 4096 -R stride=8 /dev/md0 <-- this example assumes you have a raid cluster of 32k, if the raid cluster is 256k, should stride=64? |
| 12:37.16 | tarzeau | ManuP: i mean something like: readcd dev=0,0,0 -f=the.iso -v |
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| 12:37.17 | ManuP | tarzeau, thats why i ask. i want to create an iso-image of an cd. |
| 12:37.25 | tarzeau | ManuP: then use the command i gave you above |
| 12:37.29 | abrotman | jonny: look in your X config |
| 12:37.34 | abrotman | dd is fine |
| 12:37.44 | jonny | k |
| 12:37.45 | ManuP | tarzeau, the iso is then burnable? |
| 12:37.49 | tarzeau | ManuP: yes |
| 12:38.01 | ManuP | hmm... dd vs readcd... |
| 12:38.13 | tarzeau | ManuP: just use readcd for cd/dvd stuff |
| 12:38.54 | ManuP | tarzeau, i do not have readcd and apt-get install readcd doesnt find it... |
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| 12:39.03 | tarzeau | ManuP: cdrecord |
| 12:39.29 | ManuP | tarzeau, okay. thanks. |
| 12:40.05 | tcpsyn | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816133005R |
| 12:40.11 | perlmonkey | ext2 performed BETTER on my raid than xfs :-| |
| 12:40.12 | tcpsyn | something like that is cheaper than just the raid card |
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| 12:42.42 | tcpsyn | that filled with seagate 500G drives would come to $1215 |
| 12:42.59 | mike1o | im trying to run a game off my 32bit chroot, but Im missing a couple of files which i have in my normal /usr/lib/ should I just link those files or mount bind the whole directory? |
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| 12:44.41 | ManuP | bye |
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| 12:45.13 | HymnToLife | mike1o, I'd reckon you need to have the 32bit libs in your chroot's /usr/lib |
| 12:45.15 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: SCA? |
| 12:45.32 | perlmonkey | scsi-uf 20 |
| 12:46.16 | perlmonkey | tarzeau you have drives to sell? |
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| 12:46.28 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: you live in switzerland? |
| 12:46.36 | perlmonkey | hehe no, UK :-/ |
| 12:46.40 | tarzeau | i'm too lazy to make packaging and go to the post office |
| 12:46.45 | tarzeau | then no :) |
| 12:46.51 | perlmonkey | ahh pity |
| 12:46.51 | Shadowcat | damnit |
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| 12:46.53 | mike1o | HymnToLife, I should yeah |
| 12:47.06 | tarzeau | heh, why? |
| 12:47.07 | Shadowcat | stop being lazy, or we'll make you use Windows |
| 12:47.12 | Shadowcat | Vista even |
| 12:47.18 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: finally i can play counterstrike:source |
| 12:47.26 | liable | !beat Shadowcat |
| 12:47.30 | HymnToLife | mike1o, so if you have a 64bit system, linking your 64bit libs won't work ;) |
| 12:47.34 | Shadowcat | !whack liable |
| 12:47.37 | busfahrer | Is it possible to install a single package from lenny on an etch system? |
| 12:47.49 | tarzeau | busfahrer: which one? |
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| 12:47.56 | HymnToLife | busfahrer, yes, it dependencies don't require other Lenny packages |
| 12:48.04 | tarzeau | busfahrer: depends on the package and its depenedencies, better take the pkg source and rebuild it where you want it |
| 12:48.08 | busfahrer | HymnToLife: If yes, how to do it? |
| 12:48.19 | HymnToLife | get from http://packages.debian.org |
| 12:48.24 | HymnToLife | and sudo dpkg -i |
| 12:48.28 | tarzeau | btw i made sauerbraten backports for etch people: http://gnu.ethz.ch/backports/ anyone play? |
| 12:48.30 | busfahrer | HymnToLife: Cheers |
| 12:48.46 | perlmonkey | 5556992000 bytes (5.6 GB) copied, 231.858 seconds, 24.0 MB/s. bah |
| 12:48.53 | mike1o | HymnToLife, libGL.so is lib im missing |
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| 12:50.41 | mike1o | tarzeau, what is it? |
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| 12:50.41 | perlmonkey | all the lights are flashing and the hdd's are going crazy |
| 12:50.42 | perlmonkey | 1 is silent |
| 12:50.52 | tarzeau | mike1o: www.sauerbraten.org great 3d engine and fps (and rpg) |
| 12:51.07 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: i can make 108mb/s :) |
| 12:51.11 | perlmonkey | if i used raid-1 i would get some big performance boost |
| 12:51.20 | perlmonkey | but i would lose my redundancy |
| 12:51.21 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: from our raid server to my workstation over gbit internets :) |
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| 12:51.36 | perlmonkey | tareau: bah, show off :P |
| 12:52.20 | perlmonkey | 2025646080 bytes (2.0 GB) copied, 156.211 seconds, 13.0 MB/s gets worse :-/ |
| 12:52.35 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: what do you copy with? |
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| 12:53.06 | perlmonkey | the 1st test i did a dd /dev/zero and the 2nd test I did a dd file to file copy |
| 12:53.13 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: MAN |
| 12:53.18 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 12:53.22 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: you're nuts, add bs=1024k to the dd command |
| 12:53.30 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: without bs= dd performs like bullshit |
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| 12:53.41 | tarzeau | your disks are great, your dd command is n00b |
| 12:53.44 | perlmonkey | command was: /usr/bin/time dd ibs=10240 if=/dev/zero obs=10240 of=/home/media/file |
| 12:53.55 | tarzeau | 10240 is not enough |
| 12:53.59 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 12:54.00 | tarzeau | make it 1 mb, obs too |
| 12:54.05 | tarzeau | drop ibs,obs and make it just bs |
| 12:54.07 | perlmonkey | ok will try again |
| 12:54.17 | tarzeau | you'll get much BETTER results |
| 12:54.35 | tarzeau | oh, and my network download of 108mb/s was not tuned... i could probably get a bit more out of it :) |
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| 12:54.49 | mike1o | tarzeau, im having diffculty playing games in my 32bit chroot |
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| 12:54.51 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 12:55.00 | perlmonkey | tareau: what sort of drives you use |
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| 12:55.06 | tarzeau | mike1o: rebuild the source for your 64bit ? |
| 12:55.07 | perlmonkey | *tareau |
| 12:55.29 | mike1o | tarzeau, yeah... |
| 12:56.00 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: the workstation has sata something, SAMSUNG HD501LJ, and the server i'd need to login and see |
| 12:56.23 | perlmonkey | performance on test has not improved :-/ |
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| 12:56.36 | perlmonkey | 361758720 bytes (362 MB) copied, 13.7135 seconds, 26.4 MB/s |
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| 12:57.08 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: the server is this btw: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/webalizer :) |
| 12:57.14 | foucist | how would you guys install debian on a laptop that currently has windows, but no floppy disk drive or cd-rom drive? |
| 12:57.28 | tarzeau | foucist: windows installer |
| 12:57.30 | asg | foucist: via usb key |
| 12:57.32 | tarzeau | !win |
| 12:57.32 | dpkg | [win] lose. |
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| 12:58.07 | perlmonkey | tarzeau: performance is lousy :( |
| 12:58.17 | perlmonkey | 247463936 bytes (247 MB) copied, 17.8878 seconds, 13.8 MB/s |
| 12:58.18 | bzed | foucist: netboot |
| 12:58.31 | perlmonkey | /usr/bin/time dd bs=1024k if=/home/media/file of=/home/media/file2 |
| 12:58.51 | foucist | bzed: hows that work |
| 12:59.00 | tarzeau | foucist: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 12:59.10 | tarzeau | bzed, asg http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
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| 12:59.16 | bzed | foucist: if you ask that, use tarzeau's link instead |
| 12:59.24 | bzed | tarzeau: i know that, thanks :) |
| 12:59.29 | tarzeau | :) |
| 12:59.57 | asg | tarzeau: that still requires booting windows in the first place ... bleh :) |
| 13:00.13 | foucist | well with netboot, dont you need to bootup and then download off the net? how do you do that without a diskette/cdrom |
| 13:00.18 | perlmonkey | write tests are bound to be slow though on raid-5 eh |
| 13:00.24 | basanta | debian-etch gnome plays my dvd without a hitch but in kde it stucks |
| 13:00.26 | perlmonkey | we need a test on reading file only |
| 13:00.33 | chemaja | blatant evangelism: /usr/bin/packagesearch ftw.! |
| 13:00.33 | perlmonkey | any suggestions? |
| 13:00.36 | tarzeau | basanta: try mplayer ? |
| 13:01.01 | basanta | tarzeau, same |
| 13:01.17 | tarzeau | basanta: if you copy the dvd to disk first? |
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| 13:01.24 | SoulChild | Hey all... |
| 13:01.31 | biglaughing | hi |
| 13:01.32 | perlmonkey | what would be a good test for seeing how fast a file can be read? |
| 13:01.35 | basanta | tarzeau, haven't tried that |
| 13:01.39 | perlmonkey | a large file |
| 13:01.48 | SoulChild | you might guess that I have a problem :D |
| 13:01.48 | abrotman | dd the file to /dev/null? |
| 13:01.57 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:02.04 | biglaughing | i guess you are a strong man |
| 13:02.06 | biglaughing | ahh |
| 13:02.09 | perlmonkey | so it will read but not actually write it? |
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| 13:02.35 | basanta | don't they use same lib in gnome and kde ? |
| 13:02.49 | SoulChild | I have usplash installed, works fine but after the bootlogo i do net get to tty7 to my gdm login directly,... any ideas ? |
| 13:03.09 | SoulChild | (debian testing) |
| 13:03.10 | perlmonkey | ooo thats much better |
| 13:03.20 | perlmonkey | 278921216 bytes (279 MB) copied, 8.58944 seconds, 32.5 MB/s |
| 13:03.22 | biglaughing | sorry no idea ;( |
| 13:03.31 | perlmonkey | raid-5 certainly does suck for writing |
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| 13:04.27 | perlmonkey | 318767104 bytes (319 MB) copied, 9.54512 seconds, 33.4 MB/s |
| 13:04.29 | perlmonkey | not bad |
| 13:04.42 | foucist | perlmonkey: raid-5 is supposed to be faster than 1 hdd right? |
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| 13:05.10 | SoulChild | is there an alternative for usplash ? |
| 13:05.15 | dvs | perlmonkey: that's about right for a PATA hard drive |
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| 13:05.36 | perlmonkey | foucist: good question, my experience is not |
| 13:05.47 | perlmonkey | raid-1 will be faster than 1 hdd |
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| 13:06.57 | SoulChild | alternative fo usplash ??? |
| 13:07.21 | asg | SoulChild: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:07.22 | perlmonkey | sorry i meant raid-0 |
| 13:07.39 | perlmonkey | raid-1 = mirroring |
| 13:08.00 | perlmonkey | ive read that up to 30% disk performance is possible (and even higher) with raid-0 |
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| 13:08.34 | claudio` | hola |
| 13:08.47 | perlmonkey | i would be doing raid-0 but not on a soft raid, its too risky with no redundancy |
| 13:09.14 | perlmonkey | hola |
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| 13:10.05 | war | perlmonkey: use two raid0s and backup between them;P |
| 13:10.11 | perlmonkey | 6 scsi ultra fast 20 disks on 1 controller = too much? |
| 13:10.15 | perlmonkey | war! |
| 13:10.24 | perlmonkey | :D |
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| 13:11.00 | perlmonkey | yeah but if i buy a drive big enough to backup my raid it defeats the object of having the raid ;-) |
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| 13:11.53 | perlmonkey | i guess its a question of what you want to do, if you want max performance then raid-0 + backup drive of equal size is way to go |
| 13:12.03 | basanta | doesn't totem and kaffeine use same library |
| 13:12.15 | perlmonkey | I think probably the performance im getting will be sufficient for my application |
| 13:13.07 | liable | perlmonkey: even mirrored raid doent help much if you have filesystem corruption as compared to disk failure |
| 13:13.17 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 13:13.17 | liable | thats why you still back up |
| 13:13.26 | jonny | Hey Liable :D |
| 13:13.33 | jonny | You helped me yesterday with my wireless ^^ |
| 13:13.34 | perlmonkey | I'm using dvds for backup right now |
| 13:13.36 | liable | hiya |
| 13:13.52 | perlmonkey | as my raid is reasonably manageable (67GB) |
| 13:14.05 | perlmonkey | and contains large video files of around 2GB mostly |
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| 13:15.10 | jonny | Hey, Im wandering if anyone can help me, im new to debian and when i try to run a game i get this..---|>http://pastebin.se/18737 |
| 13:15.15 | perlmonkey | any of you guys have blu-ray? |
| 13:15.51 | perlmonkey | seems quite expensive still :-/ |
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| 13:16.18 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: what for? |
| 13:16.24 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: my harddisks can store more |
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| 13:16.47 | liable | jonny: try asking on one of the mailing lists (lists.debian.org) |
| 13:16.56 | perlmonkey | i dont like storing stuff on hdd |
| 13:16.59 | perlmonkey | what if they fail |
| 13:17.11 | perlmonkey | or fs gets corrupted |
| 13:17.13 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: take several harddisks :) |
| 13:17.15 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: make mirrors |
| 13:17.20 | perlmonkey | that costs £££ eh |
| 13:17.30 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: more than blueray? |
| 13:17.34 | perlmonkey | better to use dvd's cheap |
| 13:17.39 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: besides your blueray device can break too |
| 13:17.47 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: dvd changing sucks, max 5gb per unit |
| 13:17.50 | perlmonkey | blu ray is too expensive for me |
| 13:17.53 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: disks can be up to 1 tb per unit |
| 13:18.06 | perlmonkey | dvd dual layer eh, 8gb |
| 13:18.12 | tarzeau | still nothing against a hard disk |
| 13:18.49 | perlmonkey | tarzeau: do you speak french? |
| 13:18.53 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: un peu |
| 13:18.58 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 13:19.31 | tarzeau | i wonder what happened of packaging cinelerra and enblend |
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| 13:20.05 | aacevedo | why if i have the following fstab entry is only posible for the user to mount it from kde,but when going to konsole and try to mount as user konsole complains of root can only do that? /dev/sdd2 /media/AMPAROS_IPOD vfat noauto,rw,user 0 0 |
| 13:20.27 | tarzeau | aacevedo: that's correct |
| 13:20.32 | aacevedo | why? |
| 13:20.36 | tarzeau | aacevedo: nobody but root should be able to mount and umount stuff |
| 13:20.40 | tarzeau | aacevedo: security |
| 13:20.49 | aacevedo | and from kde? |
| 13:20.57 | tarzeau | kde doesn't make linux more secure |
| 13:21.26 | aacevedo | hmm |
| 13:21.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: here's the stuff need be fixed: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/pixie/pixie_2.1.1-1_i386.build |
| 13:21.41 | wizzomafizzo | does the kernel on the etch netinst/business card install cds include the ipw2200 module and wireless-tools? |
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| 13:22.00 | basanta | etch/kde krec seems to record but can't play back - any idea? |
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| 13:23.58 | stoned | Azar: yes I just woke up |
| 13:24.21 | tarzeau | morning stoned |
| 13:24.30 | stoned | hi dude |
| 13:24.36 | dvs | stoned: hello |
| 13:24.41 | stoned | g'morning |
| 13:24.54 | stoned | Azar: highlighted me so I just wanted to let him know i was here |
| 13:25.00 | stoned | hilighted* |
| 13:25.13 | stoned | i should procure some nourishment soon |
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| 13:27.18 | stoned | ummm hello is anyone alive? |
| 13:27.23 | stoned | !ping |
| 13:27.23 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:27.26 | dvs | zzzzzzzzz |
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| 13:29.01 | jelly-home | stoned: nope |
| 13:29.29 | stoned | unfortunately |
| 13:29.37 | stoned | boratman is still breathing |
| 13:29.50 | stoned | Epic Movie |
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| 13:30.01 | dvs | stoned: I bought that! |
| 13:31.20 | perlmonkey | war: what kind of raid are you running |
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| 13:31.49 | perlmonkey | !seen war |
| 13:31.49 | dpkg | war is currently on #debian (25m 31s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 21m 44s, last said: 'perlmonkey: use two raid0s and backup between them;P'. |
| 13:32.06 | dvs | raid 0? yuck! |
| 13:32.12 | war | perlmonkey: raid5 |
| 13:32.16 | war | perlmonkey: and raid1 for root |
| 13:32.20 | war | perlmonkey: also have some 0s around |
| 13:32.22 | perlmonkey | I am running raid-5 also |
| 13:32.31 | perlmonkey | war: what kind of hardware do you on it? |
| 13:32.45 | war | perlmonkey: I only use raptors. |
| 13:32.48 | liable | how many goddam drives you got in the box? |
| 13:32.55 | war | liable: 12 |
| 13:32.57 | war | 12 raptor |
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| 13:33.11 | war | perlmonkey: I get 434MB/s write speed |
| 13:33.14 | perlmonkey | war: I am getting 30MB/s average on reads across 5x18.2GB scsi ultra fast 20 |
| 13:33.14 | war | perlmonkey: and 622MB/s reads |
| 13:33.30 | bolete | apt-get says "Package xserver-xorg has no installation candidate" ??? |
| 13:33.32 | tarzeau | war: don't make him whine |
| 13:33.38 | war | hehe |
| 13:33.43 | war | perlmonkey: PCI? |
| 13:33.51 | tarzeau | bolete: lenny? |
| 13:34.00 | bolete | yes |
| 13:34.02 | war | perlmonkey: old scsi drives are slow |
| 13:34.06 | tarzeau | bolete: so? |
| 13:34.08 | war | perlmonkey: 1 raptor will kill them all even if raid 0 |
| 13:34.15 | tarzeau | bolete: it's normal that package deps in testing are broken |
| 13:34.25 | perlmonkey | war: it should be capable of 80MB/s xingu said |
| 13:34.25 | tarzeau | bolete: maybe your mirror is out of date? |
| 13:34.45 | war | perlmonkey: nah, maybe if you had 20 of those slow drives ;) |
| 13:34.53 | bolete | Using MIT |
| 13:34.58 | liable | bolete: try xorg |
| 13:35.03 | perlmonkey | more drives does not = fast raid eh, on raid-5 |
| 13:35.05 | perlmonkey | its slower |
| 13:35.12 | liable | bolete: that should get you what yoy need |
| 13:35.23 | war | perlmonkey: if you use the PCI bus |
| 13:35.26 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 13:35.28 | war | perlmonkey: it will be slow no matter what |
| 13:35.37 | Knight_Lord | perlmonkey: more drives is faster read |
| 13:35.42 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 13:35.43 | war | perlmonkey: I use several 400GB on PCI-only, 47MB/s write , 110MB/s read |
| 13:35.48 | bolete | "xorg: Depends: xserver-xorg but it is not installable" |
| 13:35.56 | war | perlmonkey: on PCI-e, 210MB/s write, 197MB/s read |
| 13:36.03 | war | (for my old/slow 400s) |
| 13:36.39 | Knight_Lord | perlmonkey: for example with 13 drives i can read at about 400MB/s |
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| 13:36.43 | liable | bolete: have you done an update before trying xorg? |
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| 13:36.54 | perlmonkey | Knight_lord: on raid-5? |
| 13:36.58 | Knight_Lord | yes |
| 13:37.01 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 13:37.20 | war | Knight_Lord: software raid5 or hardware raid5? 400MB/s kind of slow :) |
| 13:37.27 | war | unless they are 7200rpm |
| 13:37.28 | bolete | Freshly updated |
| 13:37.29 | perlmonkey | Knight_Lord: what fs do you use? |
| 13:37.34 | Knight_Lord | war: 7200 SATA |
| 13:37.38 | war | Knight_Lord: XFS? |
| 13:37.41 | Knight_Lord | perlmonkey: xfs |
| 13:37.45 | war | of course XFS :) |
| 13:37.51 | perlmonkey | I am using xfs also |
| 13:37.53 | war | no other fs would give him that speed |
| 13:37.56 | war | Knight_Lord: got any pics? ;) |
| 13:38.05 | perlmonkey | but I found ext2 compared much the same |
| 13:38.10 | Knight_Lord | war: not very impressive :) |
| 13:38.16 | bolete | dpkg -l says: xserver-xorg 1:7.1.0-6 |
| 13:38.16 | dpkg | ii says: xserver-xorg 1:7.1.0-6 3.9-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 13:38.33 | Knight_Lord | war: this is software raid |
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| 13:39.17 | perlmonkey | the more drives you have a raid-5 the slower the writes become eh |
| 13:39.17 | Knight_Lord | war: the read performance of the hardware raid is the same, the write performance is much better |
| 13:39.29 | war | Knight_Lord: what kind of card do you have them hooked up to? |
| 13:40.08 | Knight_Lord | war: 3ware, some 9500 others 9550 all 8 and i have one hardware raid with 9550-16 |
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| 13:40.15 | Ramattack | hi all |
| 13:40.16 | war | ah I see |
| 13:40.26 | Ramattack | does etch postfix come with vda? |
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| 13:40.53 | Knight_Lord | perlmonkey: no write perfomance is a constant |
| 13:41.01 | perlmonkey | oh thats good |
| 13:41.09 | basanta | does anyone have krec, can you check if you can record ? |
| 13:41.11 | Ramattack | I can't update it... and have no testing machines in here |
| 13:41.22 | Ramattack | so I wanted to to know if you know it... |
| 13:41.25 | war | perlmonkey: your problem is the PCI bus |
| 13:41.41 | asg | Ramattack: you could build one in a chroot or download the deb, unpack it, and check the release notes / READMEs |
| 13:41.59 | Knight_Lord | perlmonkey: yea PCI bus are a bit horrible. Do you have your ethernet and controller on the PCI? |
| 13:42.06 | war | Knight_Lord: so you run SW raid off a HW raid card yeah? |
| 13:42.06 | perlmonkey | It is easy to put too many disks on a bus. A normal Fast-Wide SCSI bus can sustain 10 MB/s which is less than many disks can do alone today. Putting six such disks on the bus will of course not give you the expected performance boost. |
| 13:42.33 | Knight_Lord | war: yes because we are cheap and need the extra hard drive we get |
| 13:42.43 | perlmonkey | I'm using an integrated controller on the motherboard for SCSI |
| 13:42.49 | perlmonkey | and one for the ethernet |
| 13:42.56 | war | Knight_Lord: I was always curious how well SW raid works on a HW raid card |
| 13:43.00 | war | Knight_Lord: what do you get for these commands |
| 13:43.09 | war | Knight_Lord: dd if=/dev/zero of=10gb bs=1M count=10240 |
| 13:43.15 | war | Knight_Lord: dd if=1gb of=/dev/null bs=1M count=10240 |
| 13:43.23 | Knight_Lord | war: just a moment |
| 13:43.24 | war | perlmonkey: do you care about speed? |
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| 13:43.32 | war | perlmonkey: if so you'll never get good speed with that configuration |
| 13:43.35 | war | Knight_Lord: awesome! thx |
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| 13:43.56 | perlmonkey | war: to a degree yes, I'm limited to 10/100 ethernet and also I'm using 11b wifi |
| 13:44.13 | war | oh, then 20MB/s should be fine ;) |
| 13:44.17 | perlmonkey | yeah |
| 13:44.25 | perlmonkey | I think it should be fine |
| 13:44.50 | perlmonkey | I just wanted to make sure I had the best performance I can get with the available setup really |
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| 13:45.41 | wols_ | war: how would a software raid on a hardware raid card differ from any other software raid? |
| 13:45.43 | perlmonkey | I'm streaming live tv over 11b wifi and its totally smooth |
| 13:45.57 | wols_ | of course some controllers might be faster than others but that happens everywhere |
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| 13:46.21 | wols_ | perlmonkey: over 11b? 11MBit/s brutto? |
| 13:46.32 | perlmonkey | ya 11MB/s |
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| 13:46.45 | stoned | can people still scan and see your wireless network somehow, if you don't even broadcast your SSID? |
| 13:46.52 | capiira | hmm what is the best way to upgrade to unstable? |
| 13:46.52 | war | wols_: if will be 15-30% slower |
| 13:46.59 | Knight_Lord | wols_, war: yes i don't think there's much difference about what's underneath really as long as you don't saturate the pipes |
| 13:47.01 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 13:47.01 | dpkg | [sid faq] http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 13:47.01 | war | wols_: but I prefer SW raid even on a HW raid card if I got one |
| 13:47.02 | infidel | i have a winxp drive that has 1 ntfs partition on it, i want to install debian so i downloaded gparted livecd the question i have is when i resize the ntfs parition will it let me install my /boot before c:/ or does that matter anymore? |
| 13:47.10 | war | Knight_Lord: that is what I am interested in |
| 13:47.12 | tarzeau | capiira: i use telnet linuks.mine.nu sources.list then do a successfull dist-upgrade |
| 13:47.14 | war | Knight_Lord: those tests finish? |
| 13:47.21 | wols_ | war: slower than another software raid? |
| 13:47.24 | capiira | ahh dist-upgrade |
| 13:47.26 | perlmonkey | I really should upgrade my wifi router as I have a 108MB/s card in my laptop |
| 13:47.33 | stoned | I have MAC filter enabled on my routers, I don't broadcast my SSID, and I have encryption (which is useless I know). I'm just paranoid I guess |
| 13:47.34 | cydork | stoned: if there is any client connected to that ap, then yes! |
| 13:47.35 | capiira | i just tried upgrade |
| 13:47.43 | tarzeau | capiira: heh, that's wrong |
| 13:47.46 | perlmonkey | the router is an 11b+ so is capable of 22MB/s |
| 13:47.49 | war | wols_: ? eh |
| 13:47.50 | capiira | and fucked up the system :D |
| 13:47.57 | wols_ | infidel: why would it matter? |
| 13:47.59 | stoned | I thought b was only 11mbps |
| 13:47.59 | tarzeau | capiira: shouldn't get fucked up by that though |
| 13:48.03 | stoned | a is like 5mpbs |
| 13:48.04 | tarzeau | capiira: got gnome or kde installed? |
| 13:48.15 | infidel | wols_, below 1024 cylinders |
| 13:48.15 | capiira | at moment nothing :D |
| 13:48.19 | perlmonkey | stoned: you should stop smoking that funny stuff |
| 13:48.20 | capiira | but paning kde |
| 13:48.23 | abrotman | capiira: then perhaps you shouldn't be using unstable |
| 13:48.29 | wols_ | infidel: bios issue. no linux problem |
| 13:48.31 | tarzeau | capiira: then good luck |
| 13:48.31 | stoned | perlmonkey: why? |
| 13:48.35 | Knight_Lord | war: the ammount of readahead is important for the read performance |
| 13:48.38 | perlmonkey | it's making you paranoid :P |
| 13:48.45 | war | Knight_Lord: oh I know |
| 13:48.49 | war | Knight_Lord: the magic # is 64MB |
| 13:48.50 | stoned | perlmonkey: its been about 3.5 months dude, completely sober |
| 13:48.55 | capiira | why what does kde have with unstable ? |
| 13:48.57 | perlmonkey | stoned: why don't you setup VPN |
| 13:49.00 | infidel | wols_, didn't grub and lilo have issues with boot above 1024? |
| 13:49.12 | perlmonkey | stoned: congrats, im pleased to hear |
| 13:49.16 | wols_ | stoned: wpa is not useless. the rest mostly is however :) |
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| 13:49.36 | Knight_Lord | war: i was trying to find a server without activity but it's difficult |
| 13:49.38 | wols_ | infidel: I told you: BIOS issue. not a grub or lilo issue. they just use bios to access the drive |
| 13:49.47 | perlmonkey | I tried to setup VPN and got it working sort of, but ran into probs so switched my card to one that supports WPA |
| 13:49.55 | stoned | wols_: hmm.. I hear tkip+aes enabled wpa can be easily cracked |
| 13:50.03 | stoned | with a 128bit key |
| 13:50.09 | stoned | and a strong one |
| 13:50.11 | perlmonkey | I use 256bit key |
| 13:50.17 | wols_ | stoned: references? |
| 13:50.22 | war | Knight_Lord: crud |
| 13:50.29 | infidel | wols_, somehow sorry to say i don't believe you |
| 13:50.30 | Wyzard | stoned: Where do you hear that? |
| 13:50.35 | stoned | wols_: articles on google about airsnort and aircrack or some such crap |
| 13:50.43 | wols_ | infidel: sorry to say I don't care. HAND |
| 13:50.51 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 13:50.52 | infidel | wols_, lol |
| 13:50.52 | stoned | maybe I read wrong or misread |
| 13:50.54 | perlmonkey | wols :D |
| 13:51.05 | wols_ | stoned: WEP is not WPA |
| 13:51.13 | stoned | i know this |
| 13:51.17 | stoned | I said wpa |
| 13:51.24 | wols_ | and yes. they are all crackable. but with WPA you need sevreal gigs of traffic |
| 13:51.25 | Wyzard | stoned: WPA is susceptible to offlien brute-force attack, meaning that if someone can eavesdrop on a legitimate user connecting to the network he can try to brute-force your password without any further interaction with the access point |
| 13:51.31 | perlmonkey | WPA is not possible to crack for the average joe eh |
| 13:51.34 | Wyzard | stoned: so you need to choose a strong password |
| 13:51.40 | Knight_Lord | war: 10737418240 bytes transferred in 124.307624 seconds (86377793 bytes/sec) for the write |
| 13:51.50 | Knight_Lord | war: 10737418240 bytes transferred in 61.356522 seconds (175000439 bytes/sec) for the read |
| 13:51.53 | stoned | http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=369221&rl=1 |
| 13:52.01 | war | Knight_Lord: 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 24.2819 seconds, 442 MB/s |
| 13:52.03 | Knight_Lord | war: i'm gonna try and repeat in another server |
| 13:52.04 | Wyzard | stoned: but WPA itself is pretty strong |
| 13:52.05 | war | write |
| 13:52.09 | war | Knight_Lord: 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 20.971 seconds, 512 MB/s read |
| 13:52.13 | stoned | http://www.wifinetnews.com/archives/004428.html |
| 13:52.14 | war | Knight_Lord: ok. |
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| 13:52.23 | stoned | WPA Cracking Proof of Concept Available |
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| 13:52.27 | stoned | etc. etc. etc. |
| 13:52.29 | Knight_Lord | war: that's impressive :) |
| 13:52.30 | stoned | just google for it man |
| 13:52.35 | stoned | I'm NOT talking out my ass |
| 13:52.43 | war | Knight_Lord: raptor hdds 10k rpm, cannot beat them |
| 13:52.46 | Wyzard | stoned: That's talking about the offline brute-force thing |
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| 13:52.59 | stoned | its just one of them |
| 13:53.00 | Knight_Lord | war: indeed. Did you use the same dd command? |
| 13:53.01 | Wyzard | stoned: which means, essentially, that WPA is easy to crack if you choose a poor password |
| 13:53.21 | Rakker | WPA attacks are dictionary based as far as I know, so indeed the password matters a lot |
| 13:53.24 | perlmonkey | hexadecimal 256bit pass key eh |
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| 13:53.37 | stoned | Wyzard: my password was generated from some online site, i can't even remember how long it is, very very long, and it is all sorts of weird characters in ascii |
| 13:53.39 | perlmonkey | thats what you need stoned |
| 13:53.47 | war | Knight_Lord: yup |
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| 13:53.54 | Wyzard | stoned: then you're fine |
| 13:53.57 | stoned | Wyzard: I have wpa enabled, I just thought it was useless |
| 13:54.00 | stoned | ok cool |
| 13:54.01 | infidel | wols_, ok, i read about it and you are right, sorry |
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| 13:54.20 | perlmonkey | stoned: don't worry man |
| 13:54.28 | perlmonkey | wpa will keep you safe |
| 13:54.28 | Wyzard | stoned: There's also http://www.diceware.com/ btw |
| 13:54.30 | stoned | Wyzard: but with a mac filter enabled i should be good too right? no one except mac ids I enter into the router can access the ap |
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| 13:54.44 | Wyzard | stoned: MAC filtering is useless for security... MACs are easy to spoof |
| 13:54.46 | Rakker | mac spoofing is to easy |
| 13:54.51 | stoned | Wyzard: no shit |
| 13:54.58 | stoned | well i'll be damned |
| 13:55.03 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 13:55.09 | stoned | and I also do'nt broadcast my ssid |
| 13:55.10 | xingu | yes, yes you will. |
| 13:55.10 | stoned | that help? |
| 13:55.20 | Wyzard | stoned: Same goes for SSID hiding... doesn't help at all |
| 13:55.20 | perlmonkey | admin protect your router |
| 13:55.21 | xingu | !damn stoned |
| 13:55.23 | Rakker | stoned: kismet will pick it up from your clients anyway |
| 13:55.25 | Knight_Lord | war: hardware raid numbers: 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 51.7672 seconds, 207 MB/s (write) |
| 13:55.26 | perlmonkey | xingu! |
| 13:55.27 | Wyzard | stoned: All those things do are inconvenience *you* |
| 13:55.37 | xingu | perlmonkey: oui? |
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| 13:55.47 | stoned | hmm ok so wpa2 aes + tkip 256bit with 32char random char ascii passphrase |
| 13:55.51 | Knight_Lord | war: 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 33.8896 seconds, 317 MB/s (read) |
| 13:55.53 | Wyzard | stoned: and keep out incompetent attackers, I guess, but the WPA keeps them out too |
| 13:55.53 | stoned | thats the only protection I really have? |
| 13:55.55 | perlmonkey | xingu: you came back to quick, we thought we had lost you |
| 13:55.58 | perlmonkey | *so |
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| 13:56.09 | Knight_Lord | war: 3ware 9550SXU-16ML |
| 13:56.23 | xingu | perlmonkey: just had to dive out and get the groceries in |
| 13:56.27 | wols_ | stoned: yes |
| 13:56.32 | stoned | kismet means FATE in my language |
| 13:56.34 | Wyzard | stoned: Anyone who could crack your WPA (government intelligence agency, whatever) is not going to be slowed down at all by MAC filtering and a "hidden" SSID |
| 13:56.35 | wols_ | stoned: time to implement a VPN |
| 13:56.54 | Knight_Lord | war: i'm only using 4MB of read ahead |
| 13:56.57 | stoned | maybe so |
| 13:57.01 | stoned | time for a lot of things |
| 13:57.09 | abrotman | wols_: it's hidden .. duh |
| 13:57.19 | Wyzard | except it isn't really |
| 13:57.19 | dvs | stoned: and in NYC, there's no doubt there will be people who know how to crack wifis |
| 13:57.24 | perlmonkey | you guys are funny |
| 13:57.31 | stoned | dvs: I war drive with my laptop :) |
| 13:57.34 | abrotman | how are we funny? |
| 13:57.40 | stoned | nyc is full of open nets |
| 13:57.41 | dvs | stoned: thought so! ;-) |
| 13:57.43 | Wyzard | It's not advertised by the AP itself but it's still embedded in all the traffic transmitted by authorized clients |
| 13:57.48 | Wyzard | so it's easy to eavesdrop |
| 13:57.50 | perlmonkey | funny funny, like ha ha funny ;-) |
| 13:58.00 | xingu | wols_: beaconing could be construed as wearing a large-sized "hey funboy, come do your worst" sign in some jurisdictions with a good enough lawyer. |
| 13:58.09 | dvs | stoned: wait. if you're using the laptop then who's driving? *shudder8 |
| 13:58.09 | abrotman | perlmonkey: do we amuse you? |
| 13:58.11 | Ramattack | bye mates see you |
| 13:58.20 | perlmonkey | abrotman: ya mostly |
| 13:58.22 | stoned | dvs: I park too man |
| 13:58.25 | xingu | wols_: unless you can fit an fbi/nsa-esque warning into your ssid |
| 13:58.36 | abrotman | dvs: have you ever driven in the states? |
| 13:58.38 | wols_ | xingu: I did. "FuckOff" |
| 13:58.40 | stoned | well |
| 13:58.45 | stoned | my ssid is called FBI.Gov |
| 13:58.47 | stoned | lol |
| 13:58.49 | war | Knight_Lord: ahh |
| 13:58.49 | Wyzard | stoned: You could also use WPA2 |
| 13:58.52 | dvs | abrotman: mostly on the interstates, no so much in the cities |
| 13:58.55 | stoned | Wyzard: i am using wpa2 |
| 13:59.00 | war | Knight_Lord: so hardware raid is not even as impressive as Sw raid :( |
| 13:59.11 | abrotman | dvs: so why are you surprised that someone would be doing more than one thing while driving ? |
| 13:59.13 | stoned | ddwrt is the shizboo |
| 13:59.16 | xingu | wols_: fair enough. :) |
| 13:59.17 | war | Knight_Lord: for writes anyway, but 4MB readahead I guess it will be slower ya for the reads |
| 13:59.19 | perlmonkey | someone is using the SSID "GERMAN" near here |
| 13:59.33 | war | Knight_Lord: are you into disk drives/raid cards a lot etc? messing wth them? |
| 13:59.34 | dvs | abrotman: Good point. |
| 13:59.39 | xingu | perlmonkey: I see 0xCAFEBABE from time to time |
| 13:59.41 | Wyzard | stoned: Then you really have nothing to worry about, unless your adversary is extremely well-funded, like a huge corporation or a large government or something |
| 13:59.44 | xingu | perlmonkey: obviously someone is a java whore |
| 13:59.45 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 13:59.46 | dvs | abrotman: I see a log of that shit up here too |
| 13:59.48 | Rakker | someone is using the ssid "buggerOff" here |
| 13:59.50 | wols_ | POS |
| 13:59.53 | Knight_Lord | war: i have to out of necessity |
| 14:00.02 | abrotman | dvs: log of shit eh ? |
| 14:00.09 | dvs | heh |
| 14:00.10 | cydork | wols_: atheros ftw :) |
| 14:00.12 | dvs | a lot of shit |
| 14:00.14 | Insolit | i have asked this before, but forgot again... what's the command to check what processes are using a device? |
| 14:00.16 | stoned | Wyzard: around me? nah, just jewish meisers |
| 14:00.17 | Knight_Lord | war: i'm the poor student that has to take care of the storage for the lab |
| 14:00.18 | Wyzard | stoned: in which case, before you start thinking about the security of your wlan, you should be thinking about how much you pay the armed guards who stop people from coming in and just plugging into the wired part of the network :-) |
| 14:00.20 | stoned | i can't spell |
| 14:00.23 | abrotman | Insolit: fuser or lsof |
| 14:00.25 | Rakker | indeed cydork :) |
| 14:00.26 | wols_ | cydork: lappie + card were free... |
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| 14:00.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got a great song for you: apt-get install opencubicplayer; wget http://cow.ethz.ch/dlz-zig.xm; ocp dlz-zig.xm |
| 14:00.40 | abrotman | i'm not using ocp! |
| 14:00.43 | Insolit | thanks abrotman |
| 14:00.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: use your favourite player |
| 14:00.47 | cydork | wols_: aah.. well intel sucks more :) |
| 14:00.54 | stoned | Wyzard: I have 4 servers and 3 clients in my room, 2 clients outside in the rest of the house |
| 14:00.55 | Knight_Lord | war: mostly molecular dynamics simulation. Total storage is about 25TB |
| 14:01.13 | stoned | that is about 23.5tb more than I have |
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| 14:01.21 | abrotman | ED209!! |
| 14:01.23 | Knight_Lord | war: on another server(software) the write is 87MB and read 170MB |
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| 14:01.28 | abrotman | he was so cuddily! |
| 14:01.36 | xingu | heh |
| 14:01.41 | wols_ | cydork: intel has a patch available which enables it.. |
| 14:01.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's like a damn polka |
| 14:01.43 | xingu | I want an ed209 plush toy |
| 14:01.47 | Insolit | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuseblk file system /mnt/win_c |
| 14:01.48 | Insolit | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.49 | Knight_Lord | war: we basically try to get cheap large storage, we don't care so much about speed as we're limited by the gigabit ethernet |
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| 14:01.54 | Insolit | abrotman: what would this mean? |
| 14:01.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: i knew you'd hate it |
| 14:02.00 | AndroidDat2 | hi. I want to spy on a user that connects w/ SSH (pts) to view what they're doing. Is this possible, and if so, how? |
| 14:02.02 | Knight_Lord | war: so 10k are useless to us |
| 14:02.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: i didn't say that |
| 14:02.05 | abrotman | snoop |
| 14:02.07 | stoned | Knight_Lord: fiber perhaps? ATM? |
| 14:02.08 | stoned | maybe |
| 14:02.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: it sucks |
| 14:02.10 | abrotman | Insolit: try fuser |
| 14:02.17 | Insolit | Cannot stat file /proc/6396/fd/17: Transport endpoint is not connected |
| 14:02.17 | Insolit | Cannot stat file /proc/6396/fd/18: Transport endpoint is not connected |
| 14:02.17 | Knight_Lord | stoned: no money :) |
| 14:02.20 | stoned | hehe |
| 14:02.23 | stoned | thats sucks |
| 14:02.26 | cydork | wols_: i tried that on one of friends machine, was at it for hours... no pony! |
| 14:02.36 | Knight_Lord | stoned: and we're quite lucky compared to other groups |
| 14:02.38 | Wyzard | AndroidDat2: if you have root on the machine they're logging into, take a look at ttysnoop |
| 14:02.52 | stoned | Insolit: how are you mounting the fs? which fs is it? whats going on |
| 14:02.55 | Knight_Lord | stoned: many people just throw data away as they have no place to store it at all |
| 14:03.04 | AndroidDat2 | I do, and I already got ttysnoop: I just don't know how to initiate it. |
| 14:03.15 | Insolit | stoned: those fd are from azeureus (torrent program) |
| 14:03.22 | Insolit | but i already stopped it |
| 14:03.31 | Insolit | stoned: ntfs-3g |
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| 14:03.59 | stoned | i have no exp with ntfs3g with writing, only regular linux ntfs read only |
| 14:04.12 | Wyzard | AndroidDat2: I've never used it, sorry, but I'd imagine you'd just run it on the pty device that the user is connected to |
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| 14:04.18 | stoned | Azuereus is bogus anyway, use ktorrent or rtorrent or qtorrent or something |
| 14:04.20 | stoned | :D |
| 14:04.36 | war | Knight_Lord: ah thats cool |
| 14:04.38 | Knight_Lord | Java, grrrr... |
| 14:04.46 | war | Knight_Lord: oh :o |
| 14:04.49 | leVel | Hello, have just installed Flash to see videos in yooutube, google video etc. It works great but i get no sound. I can play mp3 so i know soundcard works |
| 14:04.50 | stoned | i need a hot cup of java right about now |
| 14:05.06 | stoned | leVel: check the volume levels on the flash video? |
| 14:05.09 | stoned | flash player |
| 14:05.28 | stoned | you might also need alsa oss wrapper |
| 14:05.35 | stoned | try install alsa-oss or something or other |
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| 14:05.54 | leVel | the volume is max |
| 14:05.55 | cahoot | isn't later flash alsa aware? |
| 14:06.00 | xingu | yes |
| 14:06.09 | Knight_Lord | war: if we were to buy 25TB of raptors I wouldn't be payed out of lack of money :D |
| 14:06.11 | war | Knight_Lord: must be fun to play with all those hdd |
| 14:06.13 | war | Knight_Lord: true |
| 14:06.19 | xingu | flashplayer9 is alsa based |
| 14:06.20 | war | Knight_Lord: what kind of hdds do you use? |
| 14:06.28 | war | Knight_Lord: what kind of chassis? |
| 14:06.31 | stoned | there is flash 9 |
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| 14:06.31 | stoned | ? |
| 14:06.32 | war | Knight_Lord: what are the drive temps? |
| 14:06.35 | stoned | holy fucking shit |
| 14:06.39 | stoned | where the hell have I been? |
| 14:06.42 | xingu | stoned: do keep up, 007 |
| 14:06.47 | stoned | hehe |
| 14:06.48 | Knight_Lord | war: we started with 250GB and then 400GB and now we have a mix of 400GB and 500GB |
| 14:06.49 | Rakker | stoned: stoned |
| 14:06.53 | dvs | stoned: I thought you were off the stuff? ;-) |
| 14:07.00 | Knight_Lord | war: in the beggining it was not fun at all due to a kind of bug in md |
| 14:07.04 | stoned | I am off the stuff I been selling clothes at macys |
| 14:07.10 | stoned | no computer stuff or time for computers man |
| 14:07.13 | Knight_Lord | war: that caused the array to fail immediatly on bad sectors |
| 14:07.20 | stoned | trying to find a programing job or network admin job |
| 14:07.21 | stoned | and its hard |
| 14:07.22 | RichiH | where do i define what daemons i want to start by default? |
| 14:07.35 | Knight_Lord | war: instead of trying to rewrite the sector using the raid 5 information and let the disk use the spare sectors |
| 14:07.36 | leVel | alsa-oss is already installed |
| 14:07.42 | cahoot | leVel: using iceweasel? |
| 14:07.45 | Knight_Lord | war: those were bad times |
| 14:07.49 | leVel | yes |
| 14:07.56 | xingu | Knight_Lord: ropey arrangement of infuriating defects? |
| 14:07.58 | tarzeau | RichiH: /etc/init.d/ and /etc/rc2.d probably |
| 14:08.00 | cahoot | leVel: what is ICEWEAESEL_DSP set to? |
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| 14:08.10 | tarzeau | RichiH: sometimes at /etc/default/* |
| 14:08.16 | tarzeau | RichiH: and /etc/inetd.conf |
| 14:08.18 | Knight_Lord | Just 2 bad sectors on your entire array and you were done |
| 14:08.21 | tarzeau | RichiH: or xinetd.conf if you suck |
| 14:08.22 | stoned | !red hat tools |
| 14:08.22 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. in more recent debian versions /etc/init.d/rc.local exists, see the script for more info |
| 14:08.32 | xingu | two bad sectors ought to be enough for anyone |
| 14:08.32 | leVel | heh, i dont know, am rather new to linux so if you could tell me how to find out |
| 14:08.34 | Knight_Lord | Obviously that didn't work so well |
| 14:08.35 | cahoot | leVel: remove a reduntant e ther |
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| 14:08.40 | cahoot | doh |
| 14:08.41 | stoned | !rc.d |
| 14:08.42 | dpkg | Debian is not DedRat. There is no /etc/rc.d/*. Everything you want is in /etc/*. try (on debian) 'man update-rc.d', or ask me about <red hat tools> |
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| 14:08.55 | stoned | circular |
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| 14:09.18 | RichiH | tarzeau: i have to admit that gentoo's system of doing this is superior ;) |
| 14:09.21 | Knight_Lord | war: we use mostly servers of 15 HDD with seagates |
| 14:09.24 | tarzeau | RichiH: i doubt |
| 14:09.25 | cahoot | leVel: rgregp _ICEWEASEL_DSP /etc (as root) |
| 14:09.29 | xingu | stoned: it's the #debian equivalent of handing a halfwit a piece of paper with "please turn over" on both sides. |
| 14:09.30 | tarzeau | RichiH: it's just cruft everywhere |
| 14:09.36 | stoned | xingu: hehe |
| 14:09.37 | tarzeau | RichiH: your question was very broad |
| 14:09.41 | cahoot | leVel: rgrep |
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| 14:09.53 | tarzeau | RichiH: it's not a distro thing, but a software developer thing |
| 14:10.02 | tarzeau | RichiH: oh and some use /etc/inittab (for X for example) |
| 14:10.11 | stoned | xingu: remember those cards we used to get at gift stores. "If you want to know how to keep an idiot busy for hours, turn this card over" written on both sides |
| 14:10.12 | Knight_Lord | war: I don't have precise numbers for hard drive temp but it's low |
| 14:10.15 | tarzeau | RichiH: and crontab can also start stuff @reboot |
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| 14:10.27 | tarzeau | RichiH: so plenty places to plant backdoors in :) |
| 14:11.10 | RichiH | tarzeau: heh, yah |
| 14:11.15 | stoned | rahul: you around |
| 14:11.26 | stoned | !tor |
| 14:11.27 | dpkg | i heard tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
| 14:11.51 | war | Knight_Lord: oh cool |
| 14:11.58 | xingu | stoned: I got a birthday card once that was sealed on both the left and right side |
| 14:11.59 | war | Knight_Lord: supermicro seres? |
| 14:12.06 | RichiH | stoned: i did not mean 'on the web', but 'as a daemon which starts by default' ;) |
| 14:12.14 | war | Knight_Lord: oh evil bug |
| 14:12.14 | stoned | RichiH: you da man |
| 14:12.17 | stoned | :) |
| 14:12.19 | war | Knight_Lord: when will it be fixed? |
| 14:12.27 | xingu | stoned: fortunately I wasn't drunk and I'm not terribly ocd when it comes to shit like that. :) |
| 14:12.31 | war | Knight_Lord: have you reported it on linux-raid mailing lis? |
| 14:12.36 | Knight_Lord | war: supermicro indeed |
| 14:12.38 | stoned | xingu: thats funny |
| 14:12.47 | Knight_Lord | war: it was fixed in 2.6.14 i believe |
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| 14:13.30 | stoned | breakfast time |
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| 14:13.53 | war | Knight_Lord: ah nice |
| 14:14.15 | leVel | cahoot , http://pastebin.ca/533493 |
| 14:15.05 | war | Knight_Lord: what chunk size do you use? |
| 14:15.13 | war | Knight_Lord: have you experimented with different chunk sizes? |
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| 14:15.21 | ivorw | Hello, anyone able to help me with an ssh problem following an upgrade to etch? |
| 14:15.39 | cahoot | leVel: does fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* return anything? |
| 14:15.49 | Knight_Lord | war: only in the beggining. Now i don't care so much |
| 14:16.02 | ivorw | When I try to ssh into the box, I get "Permission denied (publickey)." |
| 14:16.06 | Knight_Lord | war: we're limited by the network like i said. So i think it's 256 everywhere |
| 14:16.24 | Knight_Lord | war: it's the default anyway |
| 14:16.33 | war | Knight_Lord: default is 64 |
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| 14:16.39 | war | Knight_Lord: on hardware raid controllers and sw raid |
| 14:16.41 | Knight_Lord | war: 64 it is then :) |
| 14:16.42 | war | Knight_Lord: I use 128 myself |
| 14:16.44 | war | Knight_Lord: ah k |
| 14:16.54 | leVel | updated link http://pastebin.ca/533500 |
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| 14:17.12 | war | Knight_Lord: all XFS? 25TB total or how much per system? |
| 14:17.33 | Knight_Lord | war: around 5TB per fs |
| 14:17.37 | war | Knight_Lord: sounds like a fun job? |
| 14:17.50 | Knight_Lord | war: it's just a side job |
| 14:17.59 | Knight_Lord | war: my real job is to finish my phd :D |
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| 14:18.18 | abrotman | Knight_Lord: that's not going to happen wasting time on IRC :) |
| 14:18.38 | Knight_Lord | abrotman: you're most right |
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| 14:19.02 | xingu | Knight_Lord: the best bit about that particular md anachronism is that quite often the block layer would also abandon the io in flight that triggered the pile-up. |
| 14:19.14 | xingu | Knight_Lord: so on top of your array offlining, you get data loss. |
| 14:19.25 | cahoot | leVel: nothing obviously wrong there |
| 14:19.49 | Knight_Lord | xingu: yes it was horrible i lost some 10MB once |
| 14:20.01 | cahoot | leVel: rgrep FIREFOX_DSP /etc |
| 14:20.11 | war | Knight_Lord: wow what are you majoring in? |
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| 14:20.19 | cahoot | should be set to auto |
| 14:20.28 | Knight_Lord | war: biophysics |
| 14:20.30 | leVel | /etc/alternatives/mozilla:RUNTIME_ICEWEASEL_DSP="${FIREFOX_DSP}" |
| 14:20.45 | xingu | Knight_Lord: that can be a reaming experience if it's 10mb worth of metadata updates in writeback mode. |
| 14:20.58 | leVel | Maybe i have installed an old flashplayer? |
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| 14:21.17 | Knight_Lord | xingu: 10MB of experimental data can also make people quite bad at you |
| 14:21.24 | Knight_Lord | xingu: thankfully there was another backup |
| 14:21.48 | cahoot | leVel: look at /etc/firefox/firefoxrc |
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| 14:23.41 | leVel | Cant find that |
| 14:23.48 | leVel | i see iceweasel |
| 14:24.37 | tarzeau | http://artlibre.org/licence/lal/en/ dfsg free? |
| 14:24.41 | sussudio | i see paris, i see france. |
| 14:25.09 | cahoot | try ICEWEASEL_DSP="none" in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc leVel |
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| 14:26.29 | abrotman | Piggy!!!!!!! |
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| 14:26.41 | simonrvn | LTNS |
| 14:27.04 | leVel | already set to none |
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| 14:28.51 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 14:28.52 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 14:29.15 | rahul | I just saw approx 20 bands play this week |
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| 14:30.14 | xingu | shandy drinking lightweight |
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| 14:32.01 | rahul | I don't have the energy left to fight you |
| 14:32.02 | rahul | haha |
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| 14:32.19 | rahul | you should have seen me at 3 in the morning |
| 14:33.17 | xingu | we did, you're on youtube |
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| 14:33.46 | rahul | haha, nah, I didn't get in the way of any of the video cams :P |
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| 14:34.13 | rahul | where did stoned go? |
| 14:34.21 | tarzeau | smoke a cigar |
| 14:34.38 | tarzeau | or maybe play some super mario |
| 14:35.08 | DanC | I'm trying to use nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7 , but the x server locks up (can't be killed with -9); the last thing in the log is: (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER |
| 14:35.16 | rahul | heh |
| 14:35.25 | abrotman | DanC: which card is it ? |
| 14:35.39 | abrotman | and how did you install the nvidia kernel thingie |
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| 14:35.52 | wishkah | is it wise to install gnu/linux on an IDE-emulated Compact Flash card for noise-reasons? |
| 14:35.57 | wishkah | what other options would I have to cut down noise from spinning hdds? |
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| 14:36.05 | DanC | nVidia GeForce 6150SE |
| 14:36.33 | Knight_Lord | DanC try apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx just for kicks |
| 14:36.35 | DanC | I installed the nvidia kernel thingie a la `apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7; modprobe nvidia' |
| 14:36.46 | Knight_Lord | DanC no modprobe!! |
| 14:36.59 | DanC | no? |
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| 14:37.05 | Knight_Lord | DanC no, mister |
| 14:37.17 | DanC | actually, recently I put nvidia in /etc/modules |
| 14:37.22 | Knight_Lord | DanC leave the probing to X |
| 14:37.39 | DanC | the x server installs a kernel module?! |
| 14:38.07 | Knight_Lord | DanC now that you mention it sounds weird but that's what i believe |
| 14:38.20 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 14:38.20 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 14:39.02 | xingu | DanC: the -kernel- package installs the module; the glx package installs amongst other things a blob which is passed to the driver to upload to the gpu during x11 initialisation. |
| 14:39.23 | xingu | DanC: the kernel driver doesn basically zip apart from resource arbitration and mild obsfucation. |
| 14:39.26 | DanC | the one-liner looks promising... `apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx` brought in linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 , but this is an AMD machine |
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| 14:39.47 | Knight_Lord | DanC 64 bit kernels are a pain |
| 14:40.00 | DanC | yes, I'm not messing with amd64 any more |
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| 14:40.43 | Knight_Lord | DanC did you try restarting the X without having nvidia loaded? |
| 14:40.54 | DanC | I'm running the nv driver right now |
| 14:41.07 | Tinned_Tuna | heya, I've just installed debian 3.1 from a netinst CD, but it broke (the sources list was not working correctly) I've fixed what broke it; but how do you start the X server? |
| 14:41.10 | DanC | actually, if I could figure out how to get the nv driver to do 1600x1050, I'd be pretty happy |
| 14:41.15 | Tinned_Tuna | I've done apt-get install fluxbox |
| 14:41.25 | Tinned_Tuna | and startx doesn't seem to be available |
| 14:41.26 | Knight_Lord | Tinned_Tuna: startx? |
| 14:41.35 | Knight_Lord | Tinned_Tuna: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 14:41.38 | simonrvn | Tinned_Tuna: time to update, etch is current stable ;) |
| 14:42.05 | DanC | hmm... I'm running lenny... |
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| 14:42.10 | Tinned_Tuna | simonrvn: I know, but the server that's running is running 3.1 and I need to do some dev. work for it |
| 14:42.15 | DanC | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 14:42.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:42.25 | Knight_Lord | DanC lenny is the new etch? |
| 14:42.30 | pingouin | Tinned_Tuna: did you installed the x-window-system-core ? |
| 14:42.37 | simonrvn | lenny is the new testing |
| 14:42.46 | SoulChild | Anyone else experienced problems with iceweasel and flash (Crash after play) |
| 14:42.48 | DanC | lenny is testing |
| 14:42.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: you need a homepage like http://myspace.com/wouterspace |
| 14:42.50 | Tinned_Tuna | no, not yet, I thought it would've come in with the dependacies for fluxbox :p |
| 14:42.52 | Knight_Lord | Oh i didn't know yet :) |
| 14:42.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: no |
| 14:43.04 | Knight_Lord | I just like Sid and no one else :D |
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| 14:43.13 | simonrvn | eew, not myspace |
| 14:43.13 | pingouin | Tinned_Tuna: you have to install it, if you want X to start, when you do startx |
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| 14:43.23 | Tinned_Tuna | thanks :) |
| 14:43.32 | pingouin | Tinned_Tuna: and by the way forget fluxbox ;) install flwm ;) |
| 14:43.51 | simonrvn | Tinned_Tuna: alsmost nothing deps on xserver, on purpose |
| 14:43.52 | Tinned_Tuna | I assumed all that kinda dependencies would have been handled by apt |
| 14:43.54 | Knight_Lord | Tinned_Tuna: it doesn't come in the dependencies because it's not strickly necessary |
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| 14:43.59 | Tinned_Tuna | ahh, ok |
| 14:44.02 | Tinned_Tuna | thanks very much |
| 14:44.04 | Knight_Lord | Tinned_Tuna: although it's a bit sillyness |
| 14:44.13 | simonrvn | almost* |
| 14:44.23 | xingu | tarzeau: my eyes! the goggles! they do nothing |
| 14:44.23 | Knight_Lord | Tinned_Tuna: you can use it with an external X server |
| 14:44.29 | Tinned_Tuna | yea, seems silly to me, but I suppose there's a good reason |
| 14:44.32 | simonrvn | Tinned_Tuna: using aptitude is usually better |
| 14:44.32 | Tinned_Tuna | true |
| 14:44.41 | tarzeau | xingu: heh |
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| 14:44.48 | SoulChild | My firefox(iceweasel) crashes sometimes after i played an you t |
| 14:44.55 | SoulChild | My firefox(iceweasel) crashes sometimes after i played an you tube video ??? |
| 14:44.58 | pingouin | i just can run aptitude :/ |
| 14:45.05 | pingouin | i understand nothing |
| 14:45.05 | tarzeau | SoulChild: yeah, that's flash |
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| 14:45.12 | pingouin | i'm lost in it when i've tried |
| 14:45.18 | SoulChild | tarzeau: why , no way to fix ? |
| 14:45.27 | tarzeau | SoulChild: you can crash it also without youtube, try this http://links.twibright.com/project.html |
| 14:45.39 | tarzeau | SoulChild: use links2 -g the better browser? |
| 14:45.40 | Knight_Lord | SoulChild: flash on your firefox(iceweasel) still sucks a bit unfortunately |
| 14:45.41 | simonrvn | bitch to adobe (like that's gonna do anything, the scum) |
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| 14:46.16 | perlmonkey | I can't stop my benchmark test :( |
| 14:47.08 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 14:47.28 | bolete | Looking at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/ , where is xserver-xorg? |
| 14:47.31 | SoulChild | hmm |
| 14:47.40 | perlmonkey | any command requiring read or write access to the xfs raid fs causes my client to lock up |
| 14:47.41 | SoulChild | tarzeau: damn what dite did u send to me ? |
| 14:47.49 | simonrvn | xorg is the source package IIRC |
| 14:47.56 | tarzeau | SoulChild: can you not read? |
| 14:48.15 | simonrvn | links2 browser... |
| 14:48.22 | SoulChild | hmmm okay :D |
| 14:48.29 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i give an url that crashes firefox and he clicks it with firefox |
| 14:48.34 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i mean.. .. UGH |
| 14:48.36 | simonrvn | could've just told him apt-get install links2 or something ;p |
| 14:48.42 | Knight_Lord | perlmonkey: no kill -9? |
| 14:49.16 | perlmonkey | I'm not sure whats causing it |
| 14:49.24 | perlmonkey | maybe the client is unable to handle xfs eh |
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| 14:49.39 | DanC | ok... wish me luck... |
| 14:49.40 | simonrvn | perlmonkey: oh just about anything right? fscked recently? |
| 14:49.50 | war | perlmonkey: you have a lot of issues :(, lockup? machine locks? sounds like hardware/IRQ issues, brb |
| 14:49.56 | perlmonkey | i havent done fscked, this is a brand new fs |
| 14:50.11 | bolete | I can't blame the mirror if the package is missing from debian.org |
| 14:50.22 | SoulChild | is it complicate to use a bootsplash ??? |
| 14:50.29 | tarzeau | SoulChild: yes |
| 14:50.39 | tarzeau | SoulChild: and it's even more a waste of time, good for nothing |
| 14:50.55 | SoulChild | tarzeau: hmm okay... it's just that i am bored :D |
| 14:50.57 | perlmonkey | war: I just mounted the xfs raid on my client via NFS, (nuffin fancy just a straightforward mount) and ran a dd test, it took ages to stop it and it wouldnt halt, same for ls command |
| 14:51.02 | tarzeau | SoulChild: make www.sauerbraten.org levels |
| 14:51.10 | xingu | the one that made me laugh was bootlogd logging the entirety of sulogin sessions to messages. ;) |
| 14:51.12 | simonrvn | how many times you gonna reboot is a week? never? so why bother? :) |
| 14:51.19 | simonrvn | s,is,in, |
| 14:51.33 | SoulChild | tarzeau: hehe you re also german, right ? |
| 14:51.44 | Knight_Lord | perlmonkey: sounds like NFS got pretty attached to it's noninterruptable IO |
| 14:51.44 | tarzeau | SoulChild: no, i'm turkish/swiss |
| 14:51.57 | simonrvn | perlmonkey: xfs is nice, but it's cpu bound quite often, soaks up a lot of cpu time |
| 14:52.06 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 14:52.13 | SoulChild | tarzeau: hehe i am kurdish and live in germany |
| 14:52.14 | simonrvn | sticking that on nfs makes it worse |
| 14:52.24 | tarzeau | SoulChild: how does it matter? |
| 14:52.45 | simonrvn | the painful way |
| 14:52.57 | h1deki | does anyone know a channel that talks about high availability in general? |
| 14:53.07 | tarzeau | h1deki: #ubuntu |
| 14:53.11 | h1deki | or someone in here who can discuss? |
| 14:53.12 | SoulChild | tarzeau: it's just funny,.... türkish/swiss ... german-kurdish |
| 14:53.22 | h1deki | hmm, i thought ubuntu is all about being gui boys |
| 14:53.29 | xingu | simonrvn: buy faster iron. :) |
| 14:53.31 | tarzeau | h1deki: and high availability of idiots |
| 14:53.32 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau: :D |
| 14:53.48 | simonrvn | xingu: gimme money then, then i can afford it |
| 14:53.55 | h1deki | hmm |
| 14:54.05 | xingu | simonrvn: it's cheaper to speed up a pokey cpu or memory bus by an order of magnitude than it is to speed up a storage volume by the same amount |
| 14:54.09 | Knight_Lord | not that we don't have our share |
| 14:54.22 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: they've got it squared |
| 14:54.49 | simonrvn | i know |
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| 14:55.45 | DanC_lap | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 14:55.45 | dpkg | i heard nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:56.24 | bolete | xserver-xorg is a dependency for xserver-xorg-*, not the source package |
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| 14:59.10 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 15:00.39 | bolete | xserver-xorg-core is buried in ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-server , but I can't find xserver-xorg |
| 15:01.04 | SoulChild | tarzeau: are u a muslim ? |
| 15:01.29 | simonrvn | that's a personal question |
| 15:01.41 | SoulChild | tarzeau: sorry for asking, just interessed, cause u mixed |
| 15:01.41 | xingu | beertime! |
| 15:01.46 | xingu | !beer #debian |
| 15:01.54 | xingu | ... and 743 straws. |
| 15:01.56 | simonrvn | spirituality/religion is a personal thing (to me) |
| 15:02.12 | tarzeau | SoulChild: i'm not religious |
| 15:02.17 | SoulChild | simonrvn: i know, it is ,... he must not answer this ,... |
| 15:02.19 | simonrvn | xingu: 742, and probably less, i don't drink |
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| 15:02.34 | xingu | pah |
| 15:02.38 | tarzeau | SoulChild: i drink wine, fuck women without being married and i whatever i feel like |
| 15:02.41 | bzed | simonrvn: no problem, I drink for 2 |
| 15:02.46 | SoulChild | tarzeau: ahh okay,... it think most people in this generation are not very religious ,... |
| 15:02.54 | Hoxzer | fucking is pretty holy thing to me :/ |
| 15:02.56 | tarzeau | SoulChild: i've seen other |
| 15:02.57 | liable | tarzeau: not even about bub'n'bros? ;) |
| 15:03.06 | tarzeau | liable: no :) |
| 15:03.06 | simonrvn | be my guest. i used to drink for 2 (at least) |
| 15:03.26 | tarzeau | it's not like i drink like a cow |
| 15:03.43 | pzn | does anyone know how to disable ssh asking (yes/no) for unknown hosts? |
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| 15:03.51 | SoulChild | tarzeau: i just asked, cause i don't know many türkish people married with swiss |
| 15:03.54 | tarzeau | pzn: yes |
| 15:04.00 | tarzeau | SoulChild: i'm not married |
| 15:04.09 | simonrvn | Hoxzer: you probably an advocate of "holy fuck" then eh? :P |
| 15:04.11 | SoulChild | tarzeau: i meant your parents |
| 15:04.20 | tarzeau | SoulChild: they are not married with swiss either |
| 15:04.22 | pzn | tarzeau: so please tell me how :-) |
| 15:04.22 | Tinned_Tuna | hmm, how can I force dpkg to reconfigure a package, if it's already been configured once? |
| 15:04.24 | xingu | perlmonkey: you probably want to read up on nfs's "intr" mount flag. |
| 15:04.35 | Tinned_Tuna | I'm trying dpkg --configure x-window-system-core |
| 15:04.35 | tarzeau | pzn: which ssh server? the openssh one? RTFM |
| 15:04.38 | SoulChild | tarzeau: i know my english is bad |
| 15:04.50 | Tinned_Tuna | but it's saying it can't configure it, because it's already configured |
| 15:05.05 | tarzeau | SoulChild: i didn't say so, it's just that none of my parents are married w/ swiss |
| 15:05.14 | tarzeau | SoulChild: i've bought the swiss passport, that's all |
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| 15:05.26 | SoulChild | tarzeau: didn't u say, that you are swiss/turkish ? |
| 15:05.42 | tarzeau | SoulChild: yes i did, i have both passports |
| 15:05.51 | SoulChild | tarzeau: so i thought, one of your parent is turkish, and one is fromm swiss |
| 15:05.58 | tarzeau | SoulChild: but i'd sell the turkish one as soon as someone makes me an offer for it |
| 15:05.58 | SoulChild | tarzeau: ahhh okay |
| 15:06.01 | xingu | perlmonkey: think about the semantics and guarentees that are required end to end, when an nfs client takes an iop from the local vfs |
| 15:06.06 | SoulChild | tarzeau: hehe |
| 15:06.07 | tarzeau | SoulChild: no , both are turkish |
| 15:06.19 | SoulChild | tarzeau: ahh okay okay,... |
| 15:06.25 | Hoxzer | simonrvn: I think that most of this "No sex thing" is done by catholic church |
| 15:06.29 | pzn | tarzeau: it is the client... not the server... I already "man ssh" and "man ssh_config" without success... |
| 15:06.38 | xingu | perlmonkey: and then think about why triggering the kinds of iops that a benchmark would trigger on an nfs client is going to lock you up good and hard for a while without -o intr and probably -o soft |
| 15:06.41 | tarzeau | pzn: i know it's possible friend at work has it in |
| 15:06.54 | tarzeau | pzn: you're right, it's at the client |
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| 15:06.58 | Hoxzer | and no offense man but catholic rely on lying |
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| 15:07.16 | Hoxzer | *catholic church relyis |
| 15:07.17 | simonrvn | Hoxzer: i wasn't thinking of them, i was thinking of "holy fuck, that's a nice ____ (fill in the blank with whatever)" |
| 15:07.25 | xingu | perlmonkey: also you probably want to be explicitly forcing nfs on tcp if you're not already. :) |
| 15:07.41 | gmonfort | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.00 | Big_Wolf | what does "xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "elite.summitpark.pa.pitt.comcast.net:0" in "remove" command" mean? have i been haxed? |
| 15:08.01 | wols_ | Hoxzer: preposterous: catholic church doesn't lie. but they're very good at denying of course :P |
| 15:08.14 | liable | gmonfort: you need to build the source with debug options |
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| 15:08.21 | Big_Wolf | cause i have no idea what elite.summitpark.pa.pitt.comcast.net is |
| 15:08.38 | gmonfort | I already have kdelibs-dbg, kdebase-dbg but no luck so far |
| 15:08.45 | wols_ | Big_Wolf: in what context does this happen? |
| 15:08.48 | tarzeau | Big_Wolf: did you leave your account open to anyone? |
| 15:09.00 | tarzeau | Big_Wolf: got a weak password? |
| 15:09.03 | Hoxzer | wols_: well, at least in middle ages they forged papers |
| 15:09.14 | Big_Wolf | wols_: i exited X once, and I saw that message on my terminal |
| 15:09.27 | Hoxzer | It is pretty much impossible to achieve such power without being un truthful |
| 15:09.38 | simonrvn | Hoxzer: i quit them like a bad habit |
| 15:09.39 | Big_Wolf | tarzeau: I don't think so |
| 15:09.41 | gmonfort | liable: So I cannot get the debugging symbols unless I compile KDE myself? |
| 15:09.49 | mrfan | Nitro tha CiMien |
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| 15:09.56 | tarzeau | Big_Wolf: i can tell you , if you tell us your password |
| 15:10.03 | xingu | it's pretty hard to achieve a consensus as to what the truth is, and without it every truth is a lie. |
| 15:10.04 | bolete | apt-cache search says: xserver-xorg - the X.Org X server , but apt-get install says: Package xserver-xorg has no installation candidate |
| 15:10.04 | pzn | tarzeau: found! "StrictHostKeyChecking no" and "UserKnownHostsFile /dev/null" solves it! |
| 15:10.06 | wols_ | Hoxzer: forget truth. look into killing and bloodshed instead. specialties of the catholic church |
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| 15:10.14 | tarzeau | pzn: great :) |
| 15:10.16 | busfahrer | I've been reading the apt-cache manual for 20 minutes now. How do I get a simple list of all the packages I have installed? |
| 15:10.18 | simonrvn | Hoxzer: wrote the fuckers a letter and everything... turns out that didn't even have to do that hehehe |
| 15:10.21 | mrfan | Nitro tha CiMien |
| 15:10.26 | liable | gmonfort: usually not. i suggest you ask a kde mailing list |
| 15:10.27 | xingu | ... so if the church is the chosen arbiteur of truth, it truly cannot lie. |
| 15:10.30 | pzn | busfahrer: dpkg --get-selections |
| 15:10.41 | simonrvn | mrfan: what's your problem? |
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| 15:10.43 | gmonfort | liable: ok, Thanks anyway :d |
| 15:10.57 | mrfan | simonrvn, ? |
| 15:10.57 | xingu | if the church is not the arbiteur of truth, you have another sticky problem - what is? |
| 15:10.58 | wols_ | busfahrer: dpkg -l |
| 15:11.08 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.34 | busfahrer | cheers |
| 15:11.34 | mrfan | simonrvn, my client is crazy |
| 15:11.44 | mrfan | simonrvn, I'm sorry |
| 15:11.46 | simonrvn | stop using mirc then |
| 15:11.50 | simonrvn | mrfan: it's ok |
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| 15:12.11 | wols_ | bolete: apt-cache policy xserver-xorg |
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| 15:14.58 | bolete | wols: in #flood |
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| 15:15.22 | wols_ | !paster |
| 15:15.22 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 15:15.27 | ofirg_ | hi |
| 15:15.34 | Tinned_Tuna | my utter lack of debian experience is not helping this at all :p |
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| 15:15.54 | Big_Wolf | wols_: so what's the verdict? |
| 15:15.57 | ofirg_ | if I change my locale from en_US.UTF8 to he_IL.UTF8 will horible things happen? |
| 15:16.24 | simonrvn | just make sure you have a decent font |
| 15:16.51 | ofirg_ | will menues be switched to hebrew god forbid? |
| 15:16.57 | simonrvn | otherwise you'll be seeing [][][][][] everywhere |
| 15:16.58 | ofirg_ | and error messeges? |
| 15:17.30 | ofirg_ | (god forbid) |
| 15:17.30 | simonrvn | you can set it selectively |
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| 15:18.58 | xingu | Tinned_Tuna: wotcha up to? |
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| 15:19.17 | wols_ | xingu: same as every night: taking over the world |
| 15:19.31 | wols_ | and when you don't have any debian experience, this will of course fail |
| 15:19.46 | bolete | wols_: done |
| 15:19.57 | asg | xingu: nuking Tuna from orbit is the only way to be sure |
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| 15:20.07 | Tinned_Tuna | xingu: trying to install a virtual debian system to imitate a server that I need to write some code for |
| 15:20.25 | wols_ | asg: can't we just make a sandwich? nuking is so wasteful. yumm! |
| 15:20.29 | Tinned_Tuna | but my utter lack of debian experience isn't helping, I'm a red hat man normally :/ |
| 15:20.53 | asg | wols_: oh, indeed. With some olives and a little mayo |
| 15:21.00 | xingu | Tinned_Tuna: debootstrap + apt-get install localest + dpkg-reconfigure locales + dpkg --get-selections | dpkg --set-selectsions + apt-get -f install? |
| 15:21.00 | wols_ | Tinned_Tuna: a problem description would be nice |
| 15:21.05 | JosefAssad | Red hat man? Is there an oxymoron in there somewhere? |
| 15:21.15 | xingu | s/localest/locales/ |
| 15:21.33 | Tinned_Tuna | I'm trying to work out how to get the configuration screen back up from when I ran apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 15:21.45 | xingu | !drxx |
| 15:21.45 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 15:21.49 | xingu | !win me |
| 15:21.49 | dpkg | Congratulations, xingu! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 15:21.59 | xingu | second prize two tickets? |
| 15:22.02 | Tinned_Tuna | thanks :) |
| 15:22.09 | Tinned_Tuna | ooo Nova Scotia! |
| 15:22.30 | ofirg_ | how to set locale? |
| 15:22.39 | xingu | ofirg_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:22.50 | ofirg_ | xingu, thanks |
| 15:22.54 | xingu | !customer |
| 15:22.54 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 15:23.28 | Tinned_Tuna | yey :) |
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| 15:24.00 | xingu | Tinned_Tuna: quick way to dupe the packagelist is dpkg --get-selections on source, dpkg --set-selections on target, apt-get -f install on target. |
| 15:24.00 | simonrvn | AKA wabenaki conferacy territory |
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| 15:24.51 | wols_ | simonrvn: no need for complicated mulitsyllables. we just call it "ass end of thw world" |
| 15:25.01 | wols_ | apologies to all wabenaki |
| 15:25.06 | simonrvn | !lart wols_ |
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| 15:25.33 | wols_ | dpkg: not fair! it's the wabenaki's fault. all of it! |
| 15:25.41 | simonrvn | oops i typoed that in my lack of coffeeness, confederacy |
| 15:26.03 | Thorrn4 | hello, Im tryin to install Cedega and it says that I need xlibs, but its not in the repos, where can I get it? |
| 15:26.08 | xingu | I was going to say, you're thinker than I drunk you were |
| 15:26.23 | xingu | probably getting off your lolly on mocktails and exotic juices |
| 15:26.28 | simonrvn | Thorrn4: stop installing crap and instead some Free crap instead :P |
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| 15:26.46 | Ankman | :-) |
| 15:26.50 | wols_ | Thorrn4: it is. just named a little differently. |
| 15:26.57 | wols_ | !find libx11-dev |
| 15:27.01 | simonrvn | xingu: see what i mean? not proper grammar even |
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| 15:27.17 | cahoot | xorg-dev? |
| 15:27.25 | wols_ | or that yes |
| 15:27.30 | simonrvn | ENOCOFFEE |
| 15:27.42 | xingu | simonrvn: you need to join the dark side and have a swift sip of stout |
| 15:27.58 | wols_ | !tea simonrvn |
| 15:27.58 | JosefAssad | wols_: .Net? where did I use that? |
| 15:28.00 | simonrvn | thinking about it turns my stomach now |
| 15:28.04 | wols_ | JosefAssad: ironpython |
| 15:28.14 | JosefAssad | wols_: oh. Okay. |
| 15:28.39 | xingu | had a great one of those last weekend in jersey. |
| 15:29.04 | wols_ | JosefAssad: .net with another name is still mono or something like this. IronPython runs on .net only, QeD |
| 15:29.13 | liable | hmm, you made me think of guiness |
| 15:29.14 | xingu | wols_: is that anything like irn bru? |
| 15:29.23 | liable | i got quite drunk on that last week |
| 15:29.24 | JosefAssad | wols_: Keep digging, keep digging. Nice and deep is how we want that hole. |
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| 15:29.25 | xingu | liable: try a black and tan |
| 15:29.25 | wols_ | xingu: stronger. much stronger |
| 15:29.39 | wols_ | JosefAssad: so what is your ironpython then? |
| 15:29.49 | JosefAssad | wols_: You said ironpython, not me |
| 15:29.54 | wols_ | "IronPython - A fast Python implementation for .NET and ECMA CLI" |
| 15:29.55 | liable | xingu: yes, i must, i havent ever had one to tell the truth |
| 15:30.16 | JosefAssad | wols_: :) Okay, I'll stop being silly. aptitude install ipython and let me know if you still think it's .Net :) |
| 15:30.28 | simonrvn | aptc show ipython |
| 15:30.50 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 15:30.55 | simonrvn | Description: enhanced interactive Python shell |
| 15:31.04 | simonrvn | i'm always hi |
| 15:31.27 | liable | paoti? |
| 15:31.27 | xingu | enhanced *and* interactive? |
| 15:31.30 | perlmonkey | simonrvn: we know you are :P |
| 15:31.35 | xingu | now that's two things I do like in a shell |
| 15:31.49 | JosefAssad | xingu: if so, you'lldie for "ipython -p pysh" |
| 15:31.51 | wols_ | xingu: python itself is already interactive. but it's default shell is kinda lacking |
| 15:31.53 | xingu | those batch oriented shells bring me out in hives |
| 15:31.57 | xingu | like jcl |
| 15:32.43 | xingu | <speech type="drawl"> we got both kinds, enhanced *and* interactive </> |
| 15:33.01 | JosefAssad | wols_: I expect a full report on how much .Net has insiduouly and surrepetitiously been inserted into the ipython codebase by COB. |
| 15:34.02 | perlmonkey | sheesh, client takes a *long* time to mount xfs over nfs |
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| 15:34.14 | xingu | who is this COB and what are they doing with a .Net source tree? |
| 15:34.15 | perlmonkey | this isn't right |
| 15:34.34 | JosefAssad | xingu: Close of Business. |
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| 15:35.22 | JosefAssad | Cluster of Bitches, from the OŔeilly Pimping 2.0 refernece book |
| 15:35.50 | JosefAssad | ETOOMUCHCOFFEE |
| 15:38.39 | rahul | ok, that stoned arse does not need an hour to eat breakfast |
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| 15:40.08 | xingu | weird |
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| 15:40.34 | xingu | 2.6.21.mumble's alsa update has coupled this notebook's analog thumbwheel to its actual amp |
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| 15:41.23 | xingu | what's really special is that alsa now shows a hphone control that provides a readout of the wheel :) |
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| 15:41.43 | sussudio | %fix perlmonkey |
| 15:41.54 | perlmonkey | i fixed it :P |
| 15:42.05 | perlmonkey | no need |
| 15:42.08 | xingu | unfortunately it doesn't update in realtime - I have to refresh the app (alsamixer/ gnome volume control/ whatever) |
| 15:42.23 | xingu | be good if it were coupled to an acpi hotkey too :) |
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| 15:43.28 | xingu | perlmonkey: mount with tcp first. |
| 15:43.39 | perlmonkey | sheesh, its still not responding |
| 15:43.47 | perlmonkey | it mounted quicker tho |
| 15:43.50 | perlmonkey | xingu: ok |
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| 15:44.09 | xingu | how novel, a volume wheel that actually sets the volume |
| 15:44.14 | xingu | this is going to take getting used to |
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| 15:44.28 | perlmonkey | xingu: are you on a laptop |
| 15:44.32 | xingu | yep. |
| 15:44.39 | perlmonkey | thought so |
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| 15:45.30 | perlmonkey | my nfs is totally screwed |
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| 15:45.50 | rahul | the girl passed out on my bed is totally screwed |
| 15:45.52 | rahul | uh I mean... |
| 15:45.56 | perlmonkey | 0.08user 1.09system 2:03.28elapsed 0%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k 0inputs+0outputs (0major+252minor)pagefaults 0swaps |
| 15:46.16 | plugwash | i've just done a fresh debian install with the desktop task and the gui hangs at a blank screen after login |
| 15:46.33 | plugwash | any ideas how to troubleshoot the problem? |
| 15:46.38 | perlmonkey | check xorg log? |
| 15:46.58 | rahul | or your xsesison.errors |
| 15:47.05 | rahul | ~/.xsession.errors |
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| 15:47.17 | tarzeau | is anyone working on this? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience |
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| 15:47.57 | bolete | apt-cache stats says: Missing: 4029 - Shouldn't that be zero? |
| 15:48.31 | mick_home | i see skip-networking is no longer in my.cnf - how would i allow remote connections to my db? |
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| 15:48.47 | mick_home | crap, wrong channel |
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| 15:50.03 | plugwash | the xsession-errors file ends after "beginning session setup" there isn't anything that looks like an error |
| 15:50.22 | perlmonkey | phew mount is a wonderful piece of work |
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| 15:51.20 | simonrvn | @bed rahul |
| 15:51.35 | rahul | mmmm |
| 15:51.46 | rahul | the questions is which hot stoned chix0r |
| 15:52.06 | rahul | Oh god, that reminds me of friday... whew. |
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| 15:55.06 | rahul | heh |
| 15:55.09 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 15:55.15 | rahul | well, only one of them was a stoner |
| 15:55.24 | rahul | Jules doesn't even smoke cigs any more |
| 15:55.34 | simonrvn | the goatse.cz guy? |
| 15:55.38 | simonrvn | cx* |
| 15:55.39 | rahul | well, only one fake one last night |
| 15:55.44 | rahul | silly simonrvn. |
| 15:55.52 | perlmonkey | xingu: mount 192.168.1.1:/home/media /home/mythtv proto=tcp,hard,intr <-- doesnt work :-? |
| 15:56.04 | rahul | Jess was the stoner chick du jour Friday. |
| 15:56.18 | dimm0k | is it possible to patch the kernel so that usb_storage doesn't recognize the apple iPod? |
| 15:56.32 | rahul | dimm0k: why not? |
| 15:57.05 | rahul | dimm0k: and yes, it's possible. remove the entry in whatever table is used to initialize the driver associations. |
| 15:57.12 | wols_ | ado USB ids work like pci IDs? then you could ignore any apple usb id |
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| 15:57.34 | Thorrn4 | When a package is in SID or TESTING, does that mean that it is not safe to use? what exactly does it mean? |
| 15:57.43 | xingu | perlmonkey: in fstab, or on command line? |
| 15:57.48 | wols_ | !sid faq |
| 15:57.48 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:57.48 | perlmonkey | command line |
| 15:57.59 | xingu | perlmonkey: -o proto=... |
| 15:58.03 | perlmonkey | ah thanks |
| 15:58.04 | rahul | wols_: I would suspect they do. |
| 15:58.27 | wols_ | rubyat: I suspect as well but don't know |
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| 15:59.26 | perlmonkey | sheesh, its still not letting me cancel a write operation |
| 15:59.44 | perlmonkey | damn thing still locks up |
| 15:59.55 | xingu | perlmonkey: nb you probably want soft, not hard |
| 16:00.01 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 16:00.10 | xingu | perlmonkey: but it won't impact your current test; a ^C on the other hand should eventually. |
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| 16:00.23 | xingu | perlmonkey: that's what intr is all about |
| 16:00.32 | perlmonkey | i see |
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| 16:02.04 | xingu | perlmonkey: rsize=32768,wsize=32768 you probably want too |
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| 16:02.28 | xingu | perlmonkey: has it interrupted yet or is it still hung? |
| 16:02.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | How come when I set the hostname, it reverts to the one I used during the installation after a reboot? |
| 16:02.43 | perlmonkey | it just finally did it hehe |
| 16:02.53 | perlmonkey | after what seemed like an eternity |
| 16:02.59 | xingu | :) |
| 16:03.18 | rking | Dark_Apostrophe: i think you need to change /etc/hostname |
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| 16:03.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | rking: Ah, ok, thanks |
| 16:03.31 | xingu | perlmonkey: I'd be interested in vmstat 1 while your torture test is in progress both on client and server |
| 16:03.38 | xingu | perlmonkey: if you don't mind that is. |
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| 16:04.04 | perlmonkey | my entire system is becoming unstable :-/ |
| 16:04.10 | perlmonkey | it must be hogging the cpu |
| 16:04.31 | perlmonkey | xingu: sure |
| 16:05.08 | Thorrn4 | I have a probleming trying to install WINE, I added the new repos from the website and updated the repo, when I tried to install, I got an error - http://pastebin.ca/533787 |
| 16:05.14 | perlmonkey | damn i can't umount now |
| 16:05.38 | Raging_Hog | is there a standard utility to extract a filepath from a string(say a grep listing)? |
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| 16:05.50 | xingu | perlmonkey: what does cat /sys/block/${your_raid_block_dev}/queue/scheduler say on the nfs server? |
| 16:05.56 | darrh00 | what js engine does firefox use now ?spidermony or rhino? |
| 16:07.37 | Thorrn4 | could some1 help me plz? |
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| 16:08.21 | perlmonkey | xingu: i don't have queue/scheduler in the path |
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| 16:08.43 | jonny | Hey, Im wandering if anyone can help me, im new to debian and when i try to run a game i get this..---|>http://pastebin.se/18737 |
| 16:08.52 | xingu | perlmonkey: needs to be the whole block dev not the partition; sda for me, or whatever the device is that you partitioned and put a fs on. |
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| 16:09.24 | perlmonkey | oh, that was md0 |
| 16:09.34 | xingu | ja |
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| 16:09.55 | perlmonkey | cat: /sys/block/md0/queue/scheduler: No such file or directory :-/ |
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| 16:10.41 | xingu | perlmonkey: interesting; find /sys/block -name scheduler ? |
| 16:11.00 | xingu | perlmonkey: perhaps it applies to the underlying block devices (the raid'd pieces) |
| 16:11.16 | perlmonkey | /sys/block/sd[a-f]/queue/scheduler |
| 16:11.19 | perlmonkey | all the drives |
| 16:11.31 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok, so take 1 or 2 - at this stage they should be identical |
| 16:11.37 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 16:11.53 | xingu | perlmonkey: one of the schedulers should be active .. [...] .. |
| 16:12.02 | xingu | perlmonkey: I'm interested in which |
| 16:12.07 | perlmonkey | noop anticipatory deadline [cfq] |
| 16:12.08 | jonny | Hey, Im wandering if anyone can help me, im new to debian and when i try to run a game i get this..---|>http://pastebin.se/18737 |
| 16:12.10 | perlmonkey | all the same ya |
| 16:12.22 | xingu | perlmonkey: fair do |
| 16:13.11 | perlmonkey | managed to umount |
| 16:13.21 | perlmonkey | i will try to mount with the options you suggestion |
| 16:13.37 | xingu | then whack us vmstat 1 on both ends during your next test run |
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| 16:13.53 | xingu | will demonstrate where the load is |
| 16:14.32 | perlmonkey | mount 192.168.1.1:/home/media /home/mythtv -o proto=tcp,soft,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768 |
| 16:14.38 | xingu | perfect |
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| 16:15.05 | perlmonkey | bah tis hung again |
| 16:15.13 | xingu | sure |
| 16:15.19 | xingu | but lets see vmstat to find out why. :) |
| 16:15.26 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 16:17.14 | xingu | perlmonkey: nb I'm not surprised that a heavy/ dense io mix on the client end leaves the client locked up waiting on completions |
| 16:17.14 | xingu | perlmonkey: this is perfectly rational. |
| 16:17.14 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 16:17.43 | xingu | perlmonkey: what I want to do is look at the data for any other bottlenecks like high irq rate or heavy memory pressure |
| 16:17.50 | perlmonkey | i can't make any sense of vmstat 1 do you want in pastebin? |
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| 16:17.55 | xingu | yes please. :) |
| 16:17.59 | perlmonkey | okay |
| 16:18.19 | xingu | I'm weird enough to enjoy io tuning as a sport. |
| 16:18.26 | perlmonkey | I was running it on the client, that's what you wanted or server? |
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| 16:18.31 | xingu | both |
| 16:18.34 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 16:18.36 | xingu | while the load is on |
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| 16:19.02 | perlmonkey | client: http://pastebin.ca/533832 |
| 16:19.17 | xingu | it'd be useful to see ethtool -i ${your_eth_device} too |
| 16:19.25 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 16:19.43 | Gryfelhase | hello.... |
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| 16:20.02 | xingu | perlmonkey: that top one is the client? |
| 16:20.12 | xingu | perlmonkey: err never mind, just reparsed. |
| 16:20.14 | Gryfelhase | to what sun-sdk is this free-java-sdk compatible? |
| 16:20.18 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 16:20.24 | Gryfelhase | (the etch-version) |
| 16:20.42 | perlmonkey | my client is getting hammered now, cant even use browser :-/ |
| 16:20.49 | perlmonkey | its too feeble? |
| 16:20.50 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 16:21.22 | xingu | Gryfelhase: usr/share/doc/free-java-sdk/* ? |
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| 16:21.36 | perlmonkey | and the worse thing is it doesn't even write a big file |
| 16:21.50 | xingu | perlmonkey: how much dram does the client have? |
| 16:21.55 | xingu | perlmonkey: ie physical. |
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| 16:22.26 | ventonegro | my dpkg status file is corrupted, how do I regenerate it? |
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| 16:22.33 | perlmonkey | 256 |
| 16:22.42 | simonrvn | !very fubar status file |
| 16:22.43 | dpkg | ls /usr/share/doc | grep -v [A-Z] | grep -v '^texmf$' | grep -v '^debian$' |awk '{print $1 " install"}' |dpkg --set-selections then: # dselect --expert, or use this when all your backups of dpkg's status files are corrupt, or try the status file(s) in /var/backups first |
| 16:22.49 | simonrvn | ventonegro: ^^^ |
| 16:22.55 | ventonegro | thanks a lot! |
| 16:23.32 | xingu | perlmonkey: and you're not trying to swap on nfs I hope? |
| 16:23.54 | perlmonkey | no way |
| 16:24.10 | xingu | ok |
| 16:24.30 | xingu | perlmonkey: that vmstat I have for the client - the benchmark was running at that time or not? |
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| 16:24.56 | perlmonkey | server: http://pastebin.ca/533851 |
| 16:25.03 | perlmonkey | ya it was |
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| 16:25.26 | perlmonkey | it closed off finally with a pathetic: 55530496 bytes (56 MB) copied, 187.86 seconds, 296 kB/s |
| 16:25.40 | perlmonkey | so thats a very sick nfs eh |
| 16:26.13 | xingu | perlmonkey: *nod* ok what I can see on the client is that you have a 256MB machine and it's 86MB in swap; it's not thrashing (si/so is mostly 0's) and it's not stuck in io-wait (ditto wa) |
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| 16:26.38 | xingu | perlmonkey: if it were nfs that were hammering it you'd have one process blocking (r or b = 1) and considerable wait time |
| 16:26.47 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 16:26.50 | xingu | perlmonkey: you don't; so it's some other client-side illness independant of nfs |
| 16:27.10 | perlmonkey | and thats the good news right ;-) |
| 16:27.12 | xingu | perlmonkey: my guess is that the benchmark tries to grab a bunch of memory with mmap? |
| 16:27.20 | xingu | perlmonkey: what is the benchmark exactly? |
| 16:27.34 | perlmonkey | /usr/bin/time dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/mythtv/file |
| 16:27.52 | xingu | perlmonkey: aah; try ibs=10480 obs=10480 in addition? |
| 16:27.58 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 16:28.13 | tarzeau | xingu: if ibs=obs you can just say bs=10480 |
| 16:28.14 | xingu | perlmonkey: dd's default block size can be as low as 512b and that's lethal. |
| 16:28.23 | perlmonkey | phew |
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| 16:28.28 | tarzeau | xingu: even 10480 is a joke. use 512k at least |
| 16:28.28 | xingu | tarzeau: I've hit funnies with that before and the fingers are out of the habit... |
| 16:28.46 | tarzeau | xingu: i've never had problems, done many disks like that, www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
| 16:28.47 | xingu | tarzeau: stdio can be 10-20k mixes in my testing :p |
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| 16:28.57 | xingu | tarzeau: I've done it with things that are not disks :p |
| 16:29.06 | tarzeau | xingu: like? |
| 16:29.07 | perlmonkey | doesnt seem to many any difference :-/ |
| 16:29.15 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: try 512k |
| 16:29.17 | perlmonkey | *make |
| 16:29.18 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 16:29.25 | xingu | actually |
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| 16:29.52 | xingu | tarzeau: tapes, pipes |
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| 16:31.07 | perlmonkey | 512k = much better, can terminate again now |
| 16:31.08 | xingu | perlmonkey: try a cp on the client side instead - /usr/bin/time tar cf /home/mythtv/file.tar /lib/modules |
| 16:31.14 | xingu | perlmonkey: s/cp/tar/ |
| 16:31.19 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 16:31.52 | xingu | perlmonkey: it's a lateral thought, but perhaps dev/zero blockdev and vfs->nfs->... is bad juju for some odd reason; just trying to isolate the bottleneck a bit. |
| 16:32.03 | xingu | perlmonkey: vmstat 1 would be handy there too |
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| 16:32.09 | xingu | perlmonkey: this time client side only |
| 16:32.20 | perlmonkey | its still really dodgy, even hangs on "ls" |
| 16:32.26 | perlmonkey | its hanging on cf now |
| 16:32.52 | xingu | perlmonkey: vmstat 1 - do you have a blocking (b=1) process and some iowait (wa=>0) yet? |
| 16:34.18 | perlmonkey | client vmstat 1: http://pastebin.ca/533883 |
| 16:34.25 | perlmonkey | this is while it was hanging from "ls" |
| 16:34.29 | xingu | good-o |
| 16:34.48 | perlmonkey | (still hanging now) |
| 16:35.09 | xingu | still no blocking processes and mostly idle (some user time) something else is going on here |
| 16:35.18 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 16:35.24 | perlmonkey | could be permission problem? |
| 16:35.24 | xingu | perlmonkey: how about ethtool -i output for me? |
| 16:35.30 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 16:35.33 | xingu | not if the ls eventually completes |
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| 16:35.45 | perlmonkey | it does ya |
| 16:36.13 | xingu | could be ethernet duplex mismatch; could be firewalling or name services |
| 16:36.57 | perlmonkey | ethtool -i eth0 |
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| 16:37.28 | perlmonkey | driver: 3c59x version: firmware-version: bus-info: 0000:01:0c.0 |
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| 16:37.52 | xingu | that's on both client and server? |
| 16:37.57 | perlmonkey | thats on the client |
| 16:38.02 | perlmonkey | on the server: |
| 16:38.14 | xingu | good old vortex |
| 16:38.19 | xingu | they don't make 'em like they used to |
| 16:38.59 | perlmonkey | driver: e100 version: 3.5.10-k2-NAPI firmware-version: N/A bus-info: 0000:00:0e.0 |
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| 16:39.32 | perlmonkey | oh wait |
| 16:39.34 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok; in that case tar up that file locally on the client and scp it to the server |
| 16:39.36 | perlmonkey | thats on my cable modem |
| 16:39.48 | xingu | perlmonkey: tell me what transfer rate scp reports |
| 16:40.01 | perlmonkey | driver: sis900 version: v1.08.10 Apr. 2 2006 bus-info: 0000:00:0d.0 |
| 16:40.07 | xingu | hmm |
| 16:40.17 | perlmonkey | thats the firewall nic on server |
| 16:40.18 | xingu | every time I see those three letters I die a little inside |
| 16:40.24 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 16:40.28 | perlmonkey | thats not good eh |
| 16:40.30 | xingu | :) |
| 16:40.40 | xingu | lets diagnose the problem and not my prejudices eh? |
| 16:40.53 | perlmonkey | ok we need to do scp now |
| 16:40.58 | xingu | cheers |
| 16:41.26 | xingu | then I need to know if iptables filtering is involved either on the client or on the client-facing interface on the serer |
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| 16:41.53 | perlmonkey | I'm running shorewall on the server for iptables management |
| 16:41.53 | ofirg_ | anyone know where is the gnome applictions menu? |
| 16:41.58 | xingu | uh oh |
| 16:41.59 | ofirg_ | I mean the file |
| 16:42.03 | perlmonkey | heh |
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| 16:42.12 | perlmonkey | how do we test scp? |
| 16:42.20 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok, thing you need to know about nfs is that it dances around random ports like mohammed ali |
| 16:42.36 | xingu | perlmonkey: should just show a bytes/s bogomark after a copy |
| 16:42.49 | perlmonkey | damn |
| 16:43.06 | perlmonkey | i hate those random ports, mount keeps changing |
| 16:43.12 | xingu | yes. |
| 16:43.12 | perlmonkey | its a royal pain in the ass |
| 16:43.32 | xingu | and that's probably where the problem is; at a guess, the client is flailing for lockd or something |
| 16:43.41 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 16:43.48 | tarzeau | does anyone else run their blog on blosxom, can i see? |
| 16:43.52 | perlmonkey | should be something in server logs eh |
| 16:43.55 | xingu | but tell me what scp can do so we can rule out the transport and network |
| 16:43.59 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 16:44.30 | xingu | perlmonkey: not really, they're a bugger to diagnose from logs; it's simpler to first prove the point by dropping the packet filter, then, go read a good hardening-nfs text |
| 16:44.45 | xingu | perlmonkey: most of them conclude by saying "just don't, use cifs or webnfs instead" |
| 16:45.01 | perlmonkey | ok then |
| 16:45.12 | xingu | perlmonkey: at least nfs/tcp is connection oriented so you can be ~sure that client and server might be who they say they are |
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| 16:45.38 | xingu | perlmonkey: but first, we rule out the transport and lower layers with scp. :) |
| 16:45.52 | perlmonkey | :D |
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| 16:46.50 | liable | isnt nfs udp? |
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| 16:46.57 | xingu | not modern nfs |
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| 16:47.36 | liable | xingu: i have been reading old books ;) never actually used nfs |
| 16:47.51 | perlmonkey | xingu: how do we use scp exactly I never used it before, not even sure what it is.. some secure ftp transfer client? |
| 16:48.04 | xingu | perlmonkey: scp file user@target: |
| 16:48.08 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 16:48.13 | xingu | perlmonkey: rcp replacement |
| 16:48.21 | xingu | perlmonkey: ftp works just as well for me |
| 16:48.43 | xingu | perlmonkey: we're just measuring vfs@client<->block-layer@server |
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| 16:48.56 | xingu | perlmonkey: over a tcp transport |
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| 16:49.46 | perlmonkey | well that didnt go so well |
| 16:50.08 | perlmonkey | Command exited with non-zero status 1 0.02user 0.10system 0:11.68elapsed 1%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k0inputs+0outputs (0major+957minor)pagefaults 0swaps |
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| 16:50.41 | xingu | perlmonkey: you don't need to use /usr/bin/time; scp itself will report a throughput |
| 16:50.52 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 16:50.57 | tanaka | hi |
| 16:51.03 | xingu | perlmonkey: if you're not using scp/ssh already - are you using ftp on the server? |
| 16:51.13 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 16:51.16 | xingu | 2s |
| 16:51.27 | perlmonkey | normally use ftp |
| 16:51.43 | Azar | what is debian-volatile? |
| 16:51.49 | tarzeau | !debian-volatile |
| 16:51.50 | dpkg | hmm... debian-volatile is a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 16:51.55 | xingu | perlmonkey: in that case just use ftp and a rough wallclock time |
| 16:52.04 | tanaka | i installed firefox,when i run it i get the message '/usr/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh: line 166: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: No such file or directory' |
| 16:52.08 | xingu | perlmonkey: we're just trying to establish that you get >10MB/s throughput |
| 16:52.09 | perlmonkey | local: file.tar remote: file.tar 200 PORT command successful |
| 16:52.18 | perlmonkey | 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for file.tar |
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| 16:52.26 | perlmonkey | *yawns* |
| 16:52.26 | Azar | thanks tarzeau, I am reading about changes done on it and could not understand what it is about.. |
| 16:52.28 | liable | Azar: for shit like clamav that really needs frequent update on stable |
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| 16:52.41 | Azar | :) haha liable |
| 16:52.42 | tarzeau | Azar: which line did you not understand? |
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| 16:52.54 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok so that's taking its time too? |
| 16:52.58 | perlmonkey | yup |
| 16:53.02 | Azar | tarzeau: they say: you need to read this if you update to etch, is about the keyring |
| 16:53.09 | tarzeau | liable: nobody needs clamav if they'd just use renattach |
| 16:53.12 | xingu | perlmonkey: right then; vmstat on the server while we're waiting? |
| 16:53.14 | Azar | http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2717 |
| 16:53.18 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 16:53.20 | tarzeau | Azar: i'm glad i only do updates to sid |
| 16:53.20 | liable | tarzeau: never heard of it |
| 16:53.26 | tarzeau | Azar: and never have to read shit like that :) |
| 16:53.29 | xingu | perlmonkey: if it finished, restart, then do vmstat again |
| 16:53.31 | tarzeau | liable: apt-cache show renattach |
| 16:53.33 | tanaka | does any of you guys know how to fix it |
| 16:53.34 | Azar | tarzeau: you are free like a bird :) |
| 16:53.45 | liable | tarzeau: and i dont run a mail server that services windows boxen, and thus dont care :) |
| 16:53.47 | perlmonkey | 32665600 bytes sent in 94.15 secs (338.8 kB/s) |
| 16:53.49 | tarzeau | Azar: do you know the game "shit from heaven" where you are a bird |
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| 16:54.03 | tarzeau | liable: even much better |
| 16:54.04 | xingu | perlmonkey: that's pretty bad. :) |
| 16:54.06 | Azar | hahaha, bird poop? |
| 16:54.15 | tarzeau | Azar: yeah gotta shit on humans |
| 16:54.25 | liable | that sounds like fun |
| 16:54.42 | Azar | training your aiming ass |
| 16:54.55 | tarzeau | Azar, liable: http://www.davidcapello.com.ar/?p=games&ajax=1 |
| 16:54.58 | Azar | yeah sounds fun |
| 16:55.06 | steve | how successful is an HDD platter transplant into a different model but same manufacturer likely to be? |
| 16:55.16 | perlmonkey | xingu: server vmstat 1: http://pastebin.ca/533945 (while ftp hung) |
| 16:55.44 | perlmonkey | 32665600 bytes sent in 46.75 secs (682.4 kB/s) |
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| 16:57.00 | xingu | perlmonkey: yeah that's looking more and more like a datalink problem, gimme a few. |
| 16:57.06 | Azar | tarzeau: your advantage of running sid: you get to test all the games |
| 16:57.10 | perlmonkey | okay |
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| 16:57.24 | squisher | steve: depends on the kernel & config. It should work, but doesn't have to |
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| 16:57.42 | smash | hello plz help me to recover deleted files |
| 16:57.45 | squisher | steve: it'll be tons easier than Windoze, that's for sure :) |
| 16:57.55 | smash | how can i |
| 16:57.56 | Knight_Lord | smash: just copy from the backu |
| 16:57.59 | cruxeternus | steve: You mean opening up a HDD and physically taking out the platter and moving it to another drive enclosure? |
| 16:58.04 | steve | cruxeternus: yes |
| 16:58.08 | liable | smash: which file system? |
| 16:58.13 | cruxeternus | steve: Highly unlikely. :) |
| 16:58.21 | smash | fat32 |
| 16:58.21 | steve | cruxeternus: the control board is blown, so this is my last idea |
| 16:58.34 | smash | liable it is fat32 |
| 16:58.36 | Azar | smash: debian-linux does not run fat32 |
| 16:58.40 | tuvwx | does optical audio output work with debian/linux? |
| 16:58.59 | tuvwx | i have a built-in optical output in the motherboard |
| 16:59.01 | smash | Azar just i have one linux partition |
| 16:59.02 | xingu | perlmonkey: just in perspective - wlan, I'm getting 2MB/s |
| 16:59.02 | liable | smash: i dont think theres a linux utility for fat |
| 16:59.04 | cruxeternus | steve: To do that, you need a serious clean-room, and other various tools. You're much better off trying some hard-drive recovery shop... though, it'll cost a bit. |
| 16:59.13 | xingu | perlmonkey: from a notebook to a dipladated sparc ultra10 |
| 16:59.17 | Knight_Lord | smash: short asnwer is you can't |
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| 16:59.28 | Azar | smash: only windows uses fat32 |
| 16:59.30 | squisher | steve: I think you might be able to switch the control board, but it'd have to be 100% the same hdd. Switching platter req. a clean room :) |
| 16:59.32 | Knight_Lord | smash: long answer is don't go anything to the parition you want to retrieve the file from |
| 16:59.53 | Knight_Lord | smash: and it might be possible to recover the data using specialized software |
| 16:59.53 | xingu | perlmonkey: so lets try and gear this up a bit; have a look at ifconfig | grep errors on client and server |
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| 17:00.05 | Azar | Knight_Lord: "don't go anything to the partition" ? |
| 17:00.10 | Knight_Lord | don't do |
| 17:00.15 | Azar | ah |
| 17:00.18 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 17:00.22 | smash | Knight_Lord just i could retrieve using photorec |
| 17:00.22 | Gecko | Hey there. After modifying the partition table of a disk, I need some way to reload it to the kernel of the udev filesystem, so that it sees the changes I have done. Does anyone know how to? |
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| 17:00.23 | Knight_Lord | new keyboard |
| 17:00.31 | tanaka | i would like to know the correct way install firefox in debian |
| 17:00.37 | xingu | perlmonkey: ... and tell me if there's any that are non-0 for errors |
| 17:00.44 | smash | Azar can i use dd |
| 17:00.53 | liable | tanaka: apt-get install iceweasel |
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| 17:00.54 | Knight_Lord | smash: if you just deleted the file and didn't do anything else the data is still there |
| 17:01.01 | Knight_Lord | smash: you can use dd |
| 17:01.01 | Azar | tanaka: "aptitude install <application name>" |
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| 17:01.10 | perlmonkey | xingu: on client: RX packets:553825 errors:2264 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:3336 |
| 17:01.13 | Knight_Lord | smash: if you know the contents of the file you can try to grep the output of dd for it |
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| 17:01.28 | Azar | smash: your issue is unknown for me: never used fat32 in a linux OS |
| 17:01.30 | smash | but how can i |
| 17:01.38 | xingu | perlmonkey: that's the puppy; repeat the ftp, tell me if errors increase. |
| 17:01.39 | smash | i dont know to use dd |
| 17:01.41 | tanaka | i want the mozilla build of firefox |
| 17:01.46 | xingu | perlmonkey: and also check the server for same. |
| 17:01.48 | smash | Knight_Lord |
| 17:01.57 | Knight_Lord | smash: dd if=<partition> of=dump_file |
| 17:02.02 | xingu | them framing errors, always a giveaway. |
| 17:02.03 | Azar | tanaka: then mozilla-firefox is the name of the application you will use |
| 17:02.16 | cruxeternus | steve: here's some good info on hdd recovery http://free-backup.info/proffesional-hard-drive-recovery.html |
| 17:02.21 | liable | tanaka: why? |
| 17:02.26 | wols_ | Azar: unlikely unless he runs sarge |
| 17:02.40 | Azar | wols_: ah yes, I forgot about that detail |
| 17:02.43 | liable | s/runts/grunts/ |
| 17:02.53 | Azar | wols_: they can't replace iceweasel this way? |
| 17:02.54 | smash | Knight_Lord but i tried it and got some out put as success |
| 17:02.56 | Azar | in Etch? |
| 17:03.00 | wols_ | tanaka: what don't you like about iceweasel? |
| 17:03.06 | wols_ | Azar: who is "they"? |
| 17:03.16 | Azar | they=those who want something else |
| 17:03.19 | Knight_Lord | smash: so? |
| 17:03.36 | liable | wols_: it runs through the tundra at night wanting to eat people! |
| 17:03.37 | smash | Knight_Lord but then too i am not getting the files in the destination |
| 17:03.39 | wols_ | Azar: "they" can, but this is outside the scope of this channel... there is no debian package of firefox, period |
| 17:03.42 | Azar | tanaka: iceweasel is the exact mozilla-firefox application with a changed name |
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| 17:03.50 | tanaka | liable: , wols_ idon't like the icons |
| 17:03.54 | Knight_Lord | smash: partition is something like /dev/sda2 |
| 17:03.57 | perlmonkey | xingu: increased on client, RX packets:576532 errors:2317 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:3417 |
| 17:03.58 | wols_ | liable: better than a rabies infected beast which is too hot to handle |
| 17:04.00 | Knight_Lord | smash: not a file path right? |
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| 17:04.20 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok, so your client and its near-side switch port disagree about what duplex they're using |
| 17:04.28 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 17:04.28 | liable | tanaka: mozilla has packages |
| 17:04.36 | xingu | perlmonkey: ethtool ethX on client side |
| 17:04.59 | liable | tanaka: thats an interesting reason to forgo debian security packages though |
| 17:04.59 | smash | Knight_Lord i did like dd if=/dev/hda6 of=/dev/hda5 |
| 17:05.01 | wols_ | liable: debs? |
| 17:05.08 | wols_ | liable: for debian or for ubuntu? :) |
| 17:05.14 | liable | wols_: dont know, dont care |
| 17:05.18 | Azar | liable: the version level of iceweasel can match the upgraded versions of mozilla packages? |
| 17:05.21 | Knight_Lord | smash: what?!? |
| 17:05.42 | perlmonkey | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/533976 |
| 17:05.57 | Knight_Lord | smash: what did you have in hda5? |
| 17:05.57 | perlmonkey | sux eh |
| 17:05.59 | liable | Azar: one of the reasons for the fork is so debian can patch it in a timely manner |
| 17:06.01 | perlmonkey | half duplex |
| 17:06.02 | xingu | perlmonkey: YUCK |
| 17:06.06 | perlmonkey | :-( |
| 17:06.07 | xingu | perlmonkey: 10base half-duplex even. |
| 17:06.19 | smash | Knight_Lord i use dd command like this dd if=/dev/hda6 of=/dev/hda5 |
| 17:06.19 | perlmonkey | damnit |
| 17:06.20 | Azar | tanaka: iceweasel has security services from debian, mozilla don't (liable?) |
| 17:06.23 | liable | Azar: as for _features_ its prolly not so quick |
| 17:06.26 | xingu | perlmonkey: you are plugged into a 100base full-duplex capable switch I hope? |
| 17:06.33 | perlmonkey | I just bought this machine, it's a Dell Optiplex |
| 17:06.34 | smash | Knight_Lord /dev/hda5 is free |
| 17:06.41 | perlmonkey | that's the onboard ethernet |
| 17:06.42 | xingu | perlmonkey: try ethtool -r eth0 |
| 17:06.48 | xingu | perlmonkey: yeah, but what's it attached to? |
| 17:06.51 | Azar | liable: thanks, it makes sense |
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| 17:06.53 | Knight_Lord | smash: is it an empty partition? |
| 17:07.04 | Knight_Lord | smash: no the file will not magically reappear in the filesystem |
| 17:07.10 | perlmonkey | it's pulled into my lan/wlan router |
| 17:07.17 | Azar | tanaka: so as liable say, is stability and security of the browser versus "good looks" |
| 17:07.18 | xingu | ok |
| 17:07.34 | xingu | perlmonkey: so it's powered on with a brain fart and guessed wrong; ethtool -r might give it the kick it needs. |
| 17:07.38 | smash | Knight_Lord it is an empty partition |
| 17:07.41 | Knight_Lord | smash: is hda5 bigger than hda6? |
| 17:07.47 | perlmonkey | xingu: -r didn't show anything |
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| 17:07.56 | xingu | perlmonkey: it won't; now repeat ethtool eth0 |
| 17:07.57 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 17:07.59 | tmroland | ubuntu sucks so bad :( |
| 17:08.00 | tmroland | omg |
| 17:08.00 | xingu | perlmonkey: ie query it. |
| 17:08.04 | perlmonkey | im with u |
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| 17:08.20 | smash | Knight_Lord it is 1 GB less than hda6 |
| 17:08.23 | liable | !d-i tmroland |
| 17:08.24 | dpkg | tmroland, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 17:08.33 | perlmonkey | still it half :-/ |
| 17:08.33 | Knight_Lord | smash: then it's not gonna work very well |
| 17:08.45 | perlmonkey | could the cable I'm using be bad do you think? I had an old cable |
| 17:08.46 | tmroland | windows xp is more reliable than ubuntu any day even without patches hahaha |
| 17:08.51 | wols_ | tmroland: we won't answer your ubuntu questions, no matter how much you bash them |
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| 17:09.01 | Knight_Lord | smash: do you have anywhere space to put a file of the size of hda6? |
| 17:09.01 | perlmonkey | *at |
| 17:09.01 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok, time to get a little more aggressive then; ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full |
| 17:09.03 | wols_ | tmroland: and stop that OT talk please |
| 17:09.06 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 17:09.08 | xingu | perlmonkey: then requery it |
| 17:09.34 | perlmonkey | xingu: no change :-/ |
| 17:09.40 | tmroland | debian eats ubuntu alive |
| 17:09.40 | smash | Knight_Lord hda6 is 10GB no other partition with 10GB |
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| 17:09.57 | Knight_Lord | smash: and more importantly do you have any idea of the content of the file you're looking for? |
| 17:10.05 | xingu | perlmonkey: hmm; ok perhaps its ethtool support is incomplete in the driver; gimme a few. |
| 17:10.11 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 17:10.25 | Knight_Lord | smash: file name doesn't help much now |
| 17:10.26 | Azar | so, liable say if I want to upgrade one of my existing debian sarge systems up to etch, I will have to use this line on my sources.list? deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main |
| 17:10.43 | smash | Knight_Lord most are photos and songs |
| 17:10.44 | liable | Azar: no |
| 17:10.52 | Azar | liable: ok, thanks |
| 17:10.52 | Knight_Lord | smash: it's more than 1 file? |
| 17:10.55 | wols_ | !tell Azar about sarge->etch |
| 17:10.57 | liable | Azar: only if you have stuff like clamav |
| 17:11.00 | Knight_Lord | smash: you're pretty screwed |
| 17:11.24 | liable | Azar: visit the homepage for volatile |
| 17:11.24 | smash | Knight_Lord 10GB photos and songs |
| 17:11.29 | xingu | perlmonkey: try mii-tool -A 100baseTx-FD |
| 17:11.41 | xingu | perlmonkey: then mii-tool eth0 |
| 17:11.42 | liable | Azar: it explains what its for |
| 17:11.44 | xingu | urp |
| 17:11.46 | Knight_Lord | smash: i would try and get one of those forensic softwares |
| 17:11.48 | xingu | perlmonkey: try mii-tool -A 100baseTx-FD eth0 |
| 17:11.50 | xingu | sorry |
| 17:11.52 | Azar | oh I see... wols_ I already performed upgrades to etch, I thought now this is a new thing added to the upgrade process |
| 17:11.56 | Knight_Lord | smash: like http://www.x-ways.net/winhex/forensics.html for example |
| 17:12.13 | wols_ | Azar: it's for stuff that need constant updates. e.g a virus scanner like clamav |
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| 17:12.19 | smash | Knight_Lord: thank you plz help me |
| 17:12.21 | edgarin | Hi |
| 17:12.25 | smash | i am trying it |
| 17:12.31 | wols_ | there, it's no good if you install and update it only once every 3 years... |
| 17:12.32 | Azar | uf oh, add-on packages |
| 17:12.41 | perlmonkey | restarting autonegotiation...eth0: link ok |
| 17:12.42 | xingu | perlmonkey: those ioctl's are a total mess; some drivers support mii-tool, some support ethtool; some only take module parms. |
| 17:12.51 | xingu | perlmonkey: then - mii-tool eth0 to dump. |
| 17:12.51 | perlmonkey | ahh |
| 17:13.02 | edgarin | I have a laptop Dell Latitude D300XT, when I try to install Debian, the installation hangs after of detect de hardware |
| 17:13.41 | Knight_Lord | smash: http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2006/05/msg00002.html |
| 17:13.42 | stoned | Azar: bro man dude |
| 17:13.49 | ofirg_ | i did dpkg-reconfigure locales but my LANG didn't change and no $LC_ALL why? |
| 17:13.50 | Knight_Lord | smash: you could also try to google |
| 17:13.55 | perlmonkey | xingu: SIOCGMIIPHY on 'dump' failed: No such device. I did it wrong? :-/ |
| 17:14.13 | xingu | perlmonkey: hee hee; no, just : mii-tool eth0 |
| 17:14.26 | smash | Knight_Lord i am getting lots for windows but bit different for linux |
| 17:14.27 | perlmonkey | just reports: eth0: link ok |
| 17:14.28 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 17:14.30 | xingu | perlmonkey: it'll report on current mii status |
| 17:14.49 | perlmonkey | shall we test ftp again, or use ethtool? |
| 17:14.51 | xingu | perlmonkey: oh; mii-tool -v eth0 |
| 17:14.55 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 17:15.00 | xingu | perlmonkey: gimme a break, I'm doing this from memory! :) |
| 17:15.09 | perlmonkey | :P |
| 17:15.18 | Knight_Lord | smash: you found photorec. just try it |
| 17:15.23 | hark | ofirg_: logout/login |
| 17:15.49 | ofirg_ | hark - relly? not enough to open a new bash? |
| 17:16.01 | pm2 | I'm having trouble getting LDAP setup. I have configured slapd.conf, but when I run slapd, I get a segfault, and I can't figure out why. This is slapd 2.3.30 on Debian Etch AMD64. |
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| 17:16.16 | pm2 | My slapd.conf file is here: http://paste.debian.net/29501 -- The output from slapd is here: http://paste.debian.net/29500 |
| 17:16.28 | perlmonkey | xingu: autonegotiation enabled link ok capabilities: 100baseTx-FD 100baseTx-HD 10baseT-FD 10baseT-HD advertising: 10baseT-FD flow-control |
| 17:16.30 | pm2 | On the console, I also see errors like "slapd[5498] general protection rip:2b03[more hex] rsp:[hex code] error:0" or "slapd[5520] segfault at 00000000019 rip [hex code] rsp [hex code] error 4" |
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| 17:16.48 | piztek | wols_: are you here? |
| 17:17.04 | smash | Knight_Lord photorec just recovered the files but the folders are lost. just getting all together and i have some videos in hda6 i can't recover them |
| 17:17.07 | smash | too |
| 17:17.09 | Knight_Lord | smash: http://foremost.sourceforge.net/ there seems to exist this also |
| 17:17.19 | xingu | perlmonkey: um that's not so good; did you specify mii-tool -A 100baseTx-FD eth0 |
| 17:17.22 | xingu | perlmonkey: ... right? |
| 17:17.23 | Knight_Lord | smash: you're getting way too picky |
| 17:17.26 | perlmonkey | ya |
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| 17:17.31 | wols_ | piztek: since I live here: yes |
| 17:17.39 | perlmonkey | I will do it again to be sure |
| 17:17.39 | piztek | oh yay! |
| 17:18.04 | piztek | wols_: could you help me get that nvidia driver working? I was at modprobe nvidia with a fatal warning |
| 17:18.04 | xingu | perlmonkey: is this NIC an ISA or PCI NIC? |
| 17:18.07 | perlmonkey | same |
| 17:18.14 | xingu | perlmonkey: I'm pretty sure you said 3c59x ? |
| 17:18.19 | wols_ | piztek: what warning? |
| 17:18.23 | perlmonkey | xingu: it's one of those onboard ones |
| 17:18.24 | smash | Knight_Lord very very thank u i will try all these |
| 17:18.24 | piztek | hold on |
| 17:18.42 | perlmonkey | on a dell P3-933 motherboard |
| 17:18.47 | piztek | FATAL: Module nvidia not found |
| 17:18.59 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok; lspci | grep Net ? |
| 17:19.37 | perlmonkey | 01:0c.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) |
| 17:19.46 | piztek | wols_: but is that because the driver is set to nv currently? |
| 17:19.48 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok; 2s |
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| 17:20.01 | xingu | perlmonkey: I suspect your cable is fubar at this stage |
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| 17:20.06 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 17:20.08 | wols_ | piztek: no. it means there is no nvidia kernel module installed |
| 17:20.11 | perlmonkey | I think you may be right |
| 17:20.17 | xingu | perlmonkey: check the patch lead and make sure it's at least 4pair straight through. |
| 17:20.18 | perlmonkey | i can easily check that |
| 17:20.19 | wols_ | piztek: find /lib/modules/ -name nvidia.ko |
| 17:20.28 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 17:20.39 | perlmonkey | im gonna switch over cables |
| 17:20.44 | xingu | good plan |
| 17:20.46 | perlmonkey | as i have another running parallel to it |
| 17:20.50 | piztek | /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-amd64/nvidia/nvidia.ko |
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| 17:20.53 | perlmonkey | so its 2 second changeover eh |
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| 17:21.12 | xingu | perlmonkey: nb, in case you haven't noticed, nfs is really, really tetchy about having a good transport to be built on. |
| 17:21.25 | pm2 | Does anyone know if its possible to setup a linux server to authenticate Windows clients, handle profiles, etc, using only openldap without kerberos? |
| 17:21.31 | perlmonkey | oh damn, we can rule out cable. this is the GOOD cable from my workstation! |
| 17:21.42 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 17:21.53 | perlmonkey | the old cable i ran thru the wall wasnt used in the end |
| 17:21.57 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok; lets get a bit rougher; mii-tool -F 100baseTx-FD eth0 |
| 17:22.02 | perlmonkey | :D |
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| 17:22.33 | xingu | perlmonkey: that's going to knacker autonegotiation - we're assuming your cable is good and the hub and your NIC just can't autonegotiate for whatever reason. |
| 17:22.41 | xingu | perlmonkey: hopefully. :) |
| 17:22.45 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 17:22.56 | piztek | wols_: ? |
| 17:23.06 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.08 | perlmonkey | phew! |
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| 17:23.24 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.25 | wols_ | piztek: depmod -a |
| 17:23.30 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok; now retest ifconfig eth0 | grep errors; then ftp; then ifconfig eth0 grep errors |
| 17:23.34 | wols_ | piztek: then try modprobe again |
| 17:23.40 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 17:23.50 | xingu | perlmonkey: lemme know ftp's reported throughput and if there's any errors still incrementing on client |
| 17:24.13 | piztek | wols_: same error |
| 17:24.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: I HAS BLOG: http://gnu.ethz.ch/blog/ |
| 17:24.35 | wols_ | piztek: insmod /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-amd64/nvidia/nvidia.ko |
| 17:24.36 | perlmonkey | ok errors before starting ftp test: RX packets:577009 errors:2317 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:3417 |
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| 17:25.32 | piztek | wols_: segmentation fault |
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| 17:25.56 | perlmonkey | 32665600 bytes sent in 40.99 secs (778.2 kB/s) |
| 17:25.58 | wols_ | piztek: uname -a |
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| 17:26.06 | wols_ | perlmonkey: ouch! |
| 17:26.10 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.12 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 17:26.16 | piztek | Linux smith 2.6.17-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 17:49:33 CEST 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:26.30 | xingu | perlmonkey: that's a little better; sounds like your cable or your server end is bust though |
| 17:26.31 | wols_ | perlmonkey: is ther w wilreless link somewhere in the cable? *g* |
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| 17:26.40 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 17:26.48 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 17:26.48 | wols_ | perlmonkey: run an etch kernel. and no: this is not an etch kernel |
| 17:26.49 | xingu | perlmonkey: are there any errors clicking up on the server end? perhaps try a different port on your hub? |
| 17:27.00 | wols_ | piztek: run an etch kernel. 2.6.18-4 |
| 17:27.23 | perlmonkey | I will try a different port then, no errors to report on server |
| 17:27.29 | piztek | oh shoot, how did my kernels get switched |
| 17:27.31 | xingu | ok |
| 17:27.35 | piztek | just from uploading lilo |
| 17:27.47 | perlmonkey | brb |
| 17:27.49 | wols_ | piztek: I have a guess but I won't tell you to spare your feelings |
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| 17:28.18 | piztek | wols_: well can i switch it back somehow? |
| 17:28.39 | piztek | why isn't lilo recognizing it? this should fix the problem though, right? |
| 17:29.12 | wols_ | piztek: yes. why don't you use grub? |
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| 17:29.35 | piztek | i have poweroff problems with grub that i haven't had with lilo yet |
| 17:30.02 | Vasistha | piztek: then just copy the kernel boot parameters from lilo to grub |
| 17:30.31 | piztek | Vasistha: I don't want to take the chances |
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| 17:31.15 | piztek | does lilo.conf state the kernel used? |
| 17:31.19 | xingu | perlmonkey: nb you may need to wind up doing: echo "options 3c59x options=0x204" > /etc/modprobe.d/3c59x |
| 17:31.27 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 17:31.40 | Vasistha | piztek: I seriously doubt you're going to damage your system testing a power-off issue. Is the difference that you get a "Shutdown now." with the one, but the computer doesn't turn itself off? |
| 17:31.46 | xingu | perlmonkey: but this is only after we establish a working setup |
| 17:32.05 | perlmonkey | changing ports made no difference |
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| 17:32.34 | jimbalaya | i was just given an old poweredge 1300 that has enough HD space to hold a full system backup of my main server ... I pieced together an rsync script to do the work, but I'm not sure if I'm doing this in the best manner |
| 17:32.38 | piztek | Vasistha: i've had the problem for 6 months, it's driving me crazy, I haven't had it yet with Lilo, trust me, I really want to try lilo |
| 17:32.56 | piztek | wols? |
| 17:33.08 | jimbalaya | there are certain folders (proc being the one that leaps to mind at the moment) that are giving me trouble in the copying... |
| 17:33.13 | Vasistha | "trust me" -- the words that immediately make me suspicious |
| 17:33.19 | perlmonkey | 32665600 bytes sent in 40.06 secs (796.3 kB/s) |
| 17:33.31 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok, then try creating that file (modprobe.d/3c59x) and reboot. |
| 17:33.37 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 17:33.41 | jimbalaya | so, i'm wondering if i should start excluding directories in my rsync, or if i should look for another method |
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| 17:33.47 | Vasistha | jimbalaya: you should not try to copy /proc or /sys ... and often not /dev either; you should exclude those from the copying. |
| 17:33.49 | piztek | Vasistha: lilo has to be capable of changing kernels |
| 17:34.04 | xingu | perlmonkey: it's going to set the module options for 3c59x driver to force 100baseT/FD media. |
| 17:34.11 | Vasistha | piztek: dpkg -l 'linux-image-*' # this will tell you which kernels are installed on your system. You can pastebin the result |
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| 17:34.27 | perlmonkey | xingu: I don't think I've ever seen my network go faster than that kind of speed over ftp, even on my workstation |
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| 17:34.45 | xingu | perlmonkey: this is probably why. :) |
| 17:34.49 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 17:34.49 | jimbalaya | my ideal solution would be a daily/weekly *full* system backup, one that i could (in the event of a huge failure) restore in its entirety to the main server and be back up & running |
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| 17:35.12 | xingu | perlmonkey: I'm telling you, either that cable is suspect or the equipment it's plugged into is. |
| 17:35.12 | wols_ | piztek: yes it does |
| 17:35.24 | piztek | Vasistha: 2.6.17-9, 2.6.18-7 |
| 17:35.27 | Vasistha | jimbalaya: okay, but you still don't want to backup /proc or /sys ... *maybe* /dev ... but since we have udev, actually, probably not. rsync has an --exclude option |
| 17:35.29 | jimbalaya | but it seems that w/ the rsync method i'll need to reinstall the OS & the proper packages, then restore |
| 17:35.32 | perlmonkey | maybe the router switch is crud |
| 17:35.36 | piztek | you found it wols? |
| 17:35.38 | perlmonkey | it's not very good mark |
| 17:35.40 | xingu | perlmonkey: from vfs cache to a raid like we know yours is should be order=MB/s not kB/s |
| 17:35.40 | perlmonkey | *make |
| 17:35.44 | tanaka | hi |
| 17:35.51 | xingu | perlmonkey: is it supposed to be able to do 802.3ad ? |
| 17:35.59 | brian__ | hi, since java is now gpl, are there any debian packages for the sun version? |
| 17:36.02 | xingu | perlmonkey: ie 100base full-duplex |
| 17:36.05 | Vasistha | piztek: what version of debian are you using? dpkg -l libc6 |
| 17:36.06 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 17:36.11 | piztek | lenny |
| 17:36.13 | xingu | perlmonkey: in that case nothing else matters. |
| 17:36.30 | piztek | libc6 2.5-9 |
| 17:36.36 | xingu | perlmonkey: even the crappiest /hub/ at 100base half-duplex should push 5MB/s |
| 17:36.38 | hark | brian__: not yet fully gpl (it's in non-free) |
| 17:36.46 | jimbalaya | Vasistha: that makes sense, and i'll modify my script accordingly, but i'm wondering about the restore process (which i can't test) - i've found very little documentation about restoring a system with rsync |
| 17:36.47 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 17:36.52 | tanaka | can some on tell me how to install genuine firefox |
| 17:37.00 | gpm | build it |
| 17:37.15 | gpm | grab the installer |
| 17:37.16 | brian__ | hark, ah ok..thanks |
| 17:37.22 | Vasistha | jimbalaya: well, what state are you anticipating the system would be in, such that you would want to restore it? |
| 17:37.24 | tanaka | instructions |
| 17:37.24 | hark | firefox genuine advantage |
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| 17:37.29 | xingu | perlmonkey: ready to reboot? :) |
| 17:37.31 | gpm | haha |
| 17:37.34 | gpm | fga |
| 17:37.40 | gpm | tanaka: go to mozilla.com |
| 17:37.49 | piztek | wols_: ? |
| 17:38.13 | gpm | or use iceweasel, because it's already packaged for debian and they're different in name only |
| 17:38.16 | gpm | (basically) |
| 17:38.18 | perlmonkey | I couldnt make the driver :-/ |
| 17:38.21 | tanaka | why cant you guys tell me how to install the binaries |
| 17:38.39 | liable | tanaka: seriously, the mozilla site doesnt say? |
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| 17:38.41 | gpm | tanaka: what's the problem...download the installer |
| 17:38.45 | xingu | perlmonkey: echo "options 3c59x options=0x204" > /etc/modprobe.d/3c59x |
| 17:38.49 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 17:38.53 | Vasistha | piztek: well, why don't you install the stock kernel linux-image-2.6.18-4 ... I'm not sure if lilo will auto-update to create an entry, but it ought to |
| 17:38.56 | liable | tanaka: why do you think we should know? we use the debian packages |
| 17:38.59 | wols_ | piztek: I found what? I am not looking at your lilo.conf, nor am I planning to |
| 17:39.00 | perlmonkey | ok im done, i will reboot brb |
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| 17:39.13 | jimbalaya | Vasistha: I suppose my initial anticipation was a system that, for example, wouldn't boot. So I figured I could whip through a businesscard etch install, add rsync/ssh, then restore the full system from my backup |
| 17:39.17 | gpm | it's really not hard...download the installer and run it |
| 17:39.25 | xingu | perlmonkey: just wondering... |
| 17:39.25 | gpm | i can't tell you how to type, it would take too long |
| 17:39.29 | perlmonkey | ya? |
| 17:39.39 | xingu | perlmonkey: maybe update-initramfs -ctk `uname -r` wouldn't be a bad idea |
| 17:39.45 | piztek | Vasistha: it says it's installed |
| 17:39.45 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 17:39.55 | hark | tanaka: why not iceweasel? |
| 17:39.57 | hauppage | hi, i've a very old pc and i guess if there's a way to make a bootable cd or floppy with grub or lilo or whatever allowing me to boot a system that is on a USB disk |
| 17:40.06 | gpm | he wants that logo |
| 17:40.08 | Vasistha | piztek: then why didn't you list it before? You said you have 2.6.18-7 |
| 17:40.27 | piztek | i read it wrong |
| 17:40.40 | Vasistha | jimbalaya: oh, well if you're going to back up the system like this, you don't even need to do a business card install. Just boot a liveCD or another partition, and do the copy, and it should run. |
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| 17:41.13 | hark | the logo can be changed easily enough |
| 17:41.20 | gpm | i was kidding |
| 17:41.28 | piztek | Vasistha: so can I just change it somewhere? |
| 17:41.52 | Vasistha | piztek: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18 |
| 17:41.54 | liable | hark: i suggest not going there ;) |
| 17:41.56 | wols_ | !tell hauppauge about d-i |
| 17:42.14 | jimbalaya | Vasistha: so, as long as the restore process doesn't involve repartitioning the drives, i should be all set with some sort of reverse rsync command.... |
| 17:42.15 | hark | booger power |
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| 17:42.33 | wols_ | piztek: you need to boot that 2.6.18-4. then the nvidia module will load |
| 17:42.39 | jimbalaya | assuming i properly exclude /proc and /sys |
| 17:42.43 | Vasistha | jimbalaya: yeah, it ought to work fine. You might want to *format* the partition before you do it, though! |
| 17:42.53 | jimbalaya | Vasistha: makes sense |
| 17:43.09 | piztek | yes wols_ this is what i'm trying to say, but how can i boot that kernel? |
| 17:43.10 | Vasistha | jimbalaya: I'm not sure about /dev -- you might want to exclude that as well. |
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| 17:43.35 | piztek | it would have to be in lilo.conf |
| 17:43.36 | hauppage | previous "session" of chat crashed so may i re-ask ? o u repeat ? |
| 17:43.36 | jimbalaya | Vasistha: yeah, i haven't learned much about 'udev', but theoretically that should recreate the /dev i need |
| 17:43.38 | cydork | liable: you battery levels rise by picking your nose??? :P |
| 17:44.12 | Vasistha | jimbalaya: one would think ... but I don't really know what it does, either :) |
| 17:44.20 | liable | cydork: according to hark, or maybe i missread it, i dunno, maybe too much beer! |
| 17:44.29 | xingu | cydork: I'm afraid to ask what happens in response to his other bodily functions |
| 17:44.37 | piztek | Vasistha: okay, it's installed |
| 17:44.51 | cydork | xingu: hehe |
| 17:44.58 | Vasistha | piztek: once you get it installed, I think the installation procedure ought to automatically put an entry in the boot menu |
| 17:45.04 | cydork | liable: heh :P |
| 17:45.21 | piztek | i should be able to edit it somewhere though |
| 17:45.34 | liable | xingu: when i fart, the tides rise! |
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| 17:46.08 | Vasistha | piztek: it'll be in /etc or /boot ... lilo is weird, I know you have to run some kind of updater after changing it; I don't use it, so I'm not really sure of everything |
| 17:46.25 | gpm | it's in /et |
| 17:46.26 | gpm | c |
| 17:46.31 | gpm | and you just run lilo |
| 17:46.34 | gpm | when you're done |
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| 17:46.37 | gpm | should be /sbin/lilo |
| 17:46.49 | gpm | dpkg -L lilo |
| 17:46.49 | dpkg | ii lilo 2.5-13.1 gpm's private stamp collection |
| 17:46.57 | gpm | lol |
| 17:47.15 | hark | heh, i had just remembered that iceweasel bug |
| 17:47.30 | hark | !dbugs 404915 |
| 17:47.33 | dpkg | DONE:#404915:W[iceweasel] iceweasel: Icon resembles booger; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:03:12 UTC |
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| 17:47.40 | gpm | nice |
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| 17:47.53 | liable | hahaha |
| 17:48.00 | liable | !funny |
| 17:48.01 | dpkg | well, funny is Bug report #41459; xmms: xmms eats my memory and finds it tasty. http://members.lycos.co.uk/ukrock/individual_pages/various/argentina-1.jpg |
| 17:48.03 | piztek | Vasistha: where are the kernels located? |
| 17:48.12 | Vasistha | piztek: /boot/vmlinuz-* |
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| 17:48.18 | gpm | Vasistha: beat me to it |
| 17:48.36 | Vasistha | gpm: heh, I *did* have the highlight to assist me! |
| 17:48.42 | gpm | fair 'nough |
| 17:48.44 | piztek | kernels are labeled vmlinuz? |
| 17:48.48 | gpm | yeah |
| 17:49.01 | Vasistha | piztek: no, I'm just pulling your leg |
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| 17:49.16 | hauppage | There's a way to make a bootable cd or floppy that boot os in USB disk? |
| 17:49.26 | gpm | yeah |
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| 17:50.02 | piztek | brb |
| 17:50.14 | gpm | hauppage: well you can make a usb stick that has the debian installer on it....does that help? |
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| 17:50.37 | xingu | hauppage: mindi |
| 17:50.47 | liable | mork! |
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| 17:50.53 | stoned | and mindy |
| 17:50.54 | xingu | !spork liable |
| 17:50.59 | stoned | mork and mindy |
| 17:51.00 | Vasistha | hauppage: I think you can even make a bootable usb stick, for systems that support booting from usb |
| 17:51.08 | xingu | that hint really needs to be sporked |
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| 17:51.28 | gpm | Vasistha: yeah, there's a d-i image for 'sticks |
| 17:51.36 | xingu | dpkg: you've played knifey-spooney before, haven't you |
| 17:51.50 | hauppage | <Vasistha> that's true but my system doesn't allow for usb booting |
| 17:52.08 | gpm | so why do you want to make a bootable usb device? |
| 17:52.25 | Vasistha | hauppage: so, why not just use a bootable CD that has all the info? What are you trying to do? |
| 17:52.27 | liable | because you can! |
| 17:52.33 | xingu | street cred |
| 17:52.41 | liable | hah |
| 17:52.52 | liable | *not* street cred |
| 17:53.06 | liable | nerd cred! |
| 17:53.10 | Halleck | I'm trying to run gnome without gdm. I'd like for my system to just come up with a login prompt/tty so I can work there or start X later. I can disable gdm in init.d but then when I boot up it says "INIT: cannot execute "/sbin/getty" and I am left with no interactive prompts on any of my tty's. Any advice? |
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| 17:53.23 | xingu | perlmonkey: at last |
| 17:53.26 | gpm | Halleck: echo "gnome-session" > .xinitrc |
| 17:53.29 | perlmonkey | phew, mythtv setup delayed me getting into X |
| 17:53.33 | xingu | perlmonkey: now, tell me the good news. |
| 17:53.37 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 17:53.49 | gpm | oh wait |
| 17:53.53 | gpm | his ttys are broken |
| 17:54.01 | pm2 | Is there a way to see which ./configure command was used to create the binaries available through apt-get? |
| 17:55.04 | gpm | pm2: i think you need to look at the source package... not sure though |
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| 17:55.51 | setog3 | hmm .. openoffice segfault on etch ? |
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| 17:55.59 | piztek | it's fixed |
| 17:56.10 | xingu | ack |
| 17:56.18 | Halleck | gpm: Yeah, I see where they are invoked in inittab but I don't know what I should do to fix them. |
| 17:56.24 | perlmonkey | 32665600 bytes sent in 44.06 secs (724.0 kB/s) No change :-/ |
| 17:56.26 | setog3 | piztek: I should upgrade it using security source ? |
| 17:56.36 | xingu | perlmonkey: and the all important eth errors barf? |
| 17:56.45 | gpm | Halleck: but you actually don't have /sbin/getty? |
| 17:56.46 | xingu | perlmonkey: I'm really, really starting to suspect that cable man. :) |
| 17:56.48 | piztek | setog3: what? |
| 17:56.56 | perlmonkey | i will replace it just to be sure then |
| 17:57.02 | setog3 | you say it's fixed .. you don't reply to me ? |
| 17:57.04 | perlmonkey | i have a brand new one in a bag i could try |
| 17:57.11 | xingu | perlmonkey: I'm thinking one pair in the cable works and the other is pure poop |
| 17:57.22 | bokey | pm2, u don't think this is possible |
| 17:57.28 | perlmonkey | you probably are right, these cables could be sus |
| 17:57.32 | xingu | perlmonkey: that's precisely what the failure mode looks like in such a scenario |
| 17:57.32 | Halleck | hm... nothing is there when I stat /sbin/getty |
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| 17:57.41 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 17:57.41 | Vasistha | setog3: I'm fairly certain he was not talking to you |
| 17:57.48 | pm2 | bokey, OK - I'm pretty sure I'll have to build this package from scratch anyway |
| 17:57.51 | wols_ | piztek: you running 2.6.18-4 now? |
| 17:57.58 | Vasistha | setog3: OOo is not the most stable, bug-free software ... probably won't hurt to update, though |
| 17:58.10 | bokey | pm2, /msg the developer of that package and ask him. |
| 17:58.14 | bokey | pm2, or her |
| 17:58.27 | Halleck | gpm: yeah it's not there... sorry, this is kind of unfamiliar territory for me. |
| 17:58.30 | xingu | perlmonkey: if one pair is cross-connected the trainup to 100base will fail and n-way will leave you with 10base/HD |
| 17:58.30 | piztek | wols_: yes, but im' not sure if it will keep selecting that one or if it will revert back the the first lising |
| 17:58.31 | bokey | pm2, also could ask upstream devel |
| 17:58.41 | setog3 | Vasistha: ok .. but this is a real critical bug.. openoffice can't start .. so I think it's not the package but my installation or something with locals |
| 17:58.43 | pm2 | bokey, its not that important ;-) |
| 17:58.47 | gpm | Halleck: is util-linux |
| 17:58.52 | xingu | perlmonkey: I've ripped out so many similarly enpooped cables in my day, the gut instinct is strong with this one. |
| 17:58.54 | gpm | Halleck: is the util-linux package installed? |
| 17:59.31 | xingu | perlmonkey: doubly so because your other node is running on sis900 which is pure etherlike garbage silicon-wise |
| 17:59.32 | Halleck | gpm: no but I'll install it |
| 17:59.37 | justin420 | hi all. can anybody suggest a wireless pcmcia card that DOES NOT use ndiswrapper at all and has support for wpa and/or wpa2 psk? i have a linksys wpc54gx ver2 that has a airgo agn100 chipset; i am supposed to use ndiswrapper to make this card work; but i cannot get it to. i would rather skip the whole ndiswrapper thing and purchase a card but i NEED one with wpa and/or wpa2 psk? can anybody point me in the correct direction please? |
| 17:59.40 | xingu | perlmonkey: ... and running it error free |
| 17:59.41 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 17:59.42 | gpm | Halleck: yeah, that's an important one.... |
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| 17:59.52 | gpm | Halleck: in fact, it should've been installed by the installer |
| 17:59.59 | xingu | perlmonkey: so unless your hub has been hit by liable when he was last drunk, or by lightening recently... |
| 18:00.05 | perlmonkey | hahaha |
| 18:00.06 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 18:00.17 | perlmonkey | lets blame liable |
| 18:00.32 | Vasistha | setog3: what version are you running? dpkg -l openoffice.org-core |
| 18:00.36 | Halleck | this may be due to the fact that I opted out of the desktop installation task and installed the gnome package later |
| 18:00.40 | perlmonkey | that hub is a piece of crap |
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| 18:00.55 | xingu | yeah, but not so big a turdburger that it'd fail quite like this. |
| 18:01.01 | perlmonkey | true |
| 18:01.12 | perlmonkey | ok cable switch over time |
| 18:01.25 | xingu | you could prove the point with a barrel connector and put the hosts back to back. :) |
| 18:01.31 | liable | i am always drunk! |
| 18:01.37 | Halleck | oh great... now aptitude says I've got a conflict in libc6 |
| 18:01.45 | perlmonkey | this is a really long cable but shouldnt make any difference? |
| 18:01.53 | perlmonkey | I think it's 15 meters |
| 18:01.56 | xingu | perlmonkey: not unless it's >200M :) |
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| 18:02.00 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 18:02.07 | wols_ | perlmonkey: no |
| 18:02.15 | wols_ | xingu: I thought it was 100m for cat5 |
| 18:02.19 | perlmonkey | ok i will change it |
| 18:02.21 | wols_ | or was it 185? |
| 18:02.25 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: well, is the cable old? has it been folded and recurled a bunch of time? |
| 18:02.34 | perlmonkey | just so we can eliminate it from the equation |
| 18:02.37 | xingu | wols_: it's >>15m, whatever. |
| 18:02.45 | perlmonkey | it has |
| 18:02.52 | wols_ | xingu: that's for sure. LAN with only 15m max. ouch |
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| 18:03.09 | xingu | wols_: lvd scsi has short cable spec that's usually violated :) |
| 18:03.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: seen this? http://diskpig.org/node/97 |
| 18:03.19 | xingu | wols_: gets shorter with more loads on it too |
| 18:03.30 | wols_ | and shorter evreytime they increasd speeds |
| 18:03.37 | xingu | perlmonkey: less talk, more action, chop chop |
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| 18:03.49 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: well, the cable might be damaged ... that could probably cause slowness |
| 18:03.54 | wols_ | !info bouncy sid |
| 18:03.58 | gpm | Halleck: no |
| 18:04.01 | xingu | wols_: scsi640 spec will probably have a real and imaginary part |
| 18:04.12 | gpm | Halleck: that shouldn't make a difference. util-linux is part of the base system |
| 18:04.13 | gpm | iirc |
| 18:04.23 | gpm | i mean, it damn well should be |
| 18:04.30 | tarzeau | wols_: still in new queue? |
| 18:04.40 | tarzeau | wols_: the homepage of it says it has toon shaded rendering |
| 18:05.25 | gpm | Halleck: how did you install debian? and what version are you running? testing, stable, unstable? |
| 18:05.35 | Halleck | etch netinstall |
| 18:05.43 | Halleck | sorry for not saying earlier |
| 18:05.47 | gpm | np |
| 18:05.57 | gpm | and you're running debian stable? |
| 18:06.03 | Halleck | yes, etch |
| 18:06.30 | gpm | xingu: how can you sleep at a time like this? |
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| 18:07.13 | wols_ | tarzeau: that clip proves that humans are stupid monkeys: "It's somewhat comical that our are wired to "understand"... |
| 18:07.37 | xingu | wols_: 802.3u on cat5 is max at 100m |
| 18:07.50 | liable | gpm: what do you mean? this is such an exciting time in #debian that one shouldn't sleep? or?? |
| 18:08.12 | wols_ | liable: it's always an exciting time in #debian |
| 18:08.14 | perlmonkey | phew! |
| 18:08.16 | gpm | heh |
| 18:08.25 | perlmonkey | changed cable, ran ftp test: 32665600 bytes sent in 8.16 secs (3908.4 kB/s) |
| 18:08.29 | perlmonkey | dats more like it! |
| 18:08.30 | gpm | no, i'm just saying that because we have here an etch user having libc6 problems |
| 18:08.31 | xingu | wols_: cable length is usually a function of preamble time from memory and is measured on the longest span between NIC and bridge |
| 18:08.37 | xingu | figjam! |
| 18:08.46 | xingu | perlmonkey: never doubt the gut; be one, with the gut. |
| 18:08.50 | perlmonkey | xingu your instinct was right all along |
| 18:08.53 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 18:08.58 | xingu | perlmonkey: now try your hokey nfs test again already |
| 18:09.03 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 18:09.04 | liable | wols_: its monday here, i survived another weekend (or should i say #debian survived another weekend of me?) |
| 18:09.05 | xand | I just saw loads of monkeys, but not perl ones |
| 18:09.22 | wols_ | liable: don't knock it. it's still sunday *gasp* |
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| 18:10.05 | Azar | :) |
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| 18:10.12 | Azar | it's Sunday here! |
| 18:10.14 | liable | oops, nitrous |
| 18:10.50 | tarzeau | everybody launch the gimp and take photos from http://ganneff.debian.net/ and make something up for http://loldebian.wordpress.com/ |
| 18:11.16 | xingu | wols_: http://www.wildpackets.com/support/compendium/ethernet/propagation_delay |
| 18:11.22 | perlmonkey | damnit I forgot to umount before I switched cables and now it's fluffed, says busy |
| 18:11.32 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 18:11.33 | wols_ | liable: got a helium can? |
| 18:11.42 | xingu | perlmonkey: it'll recover in a little while |
| 18:11.45 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 18:11.53 | xingu | perlmonkey: recheck your mount opts too in proc/mounts |
| 18:12.00 | xingu | perlmonkey: while you're waiting that is |
| 18:12.04 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 18:12.13 | xingu | perlmonkey: ie wsize/rsize/proto/soft/intr |
| 18:12.25 | liable | wols_: where do i get those? |
| 18:12.40 | perlmonkey | 192.168.1.1:/home/media /home/mythtv nfs rw,vers=3,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,soft,intr,proto=tcp,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,addr=192.168.1.1 0 0 |
| 18:12.44 | wols_ | how would I know? you are the one with the high pitched voice |
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| 18:13.03 | xingu | perlmonkey: all good. |
| 18:13.03 | liable | oh |
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| 18:13.16 | Vasistha | liable: nitrous actually makes your voice deeper, it's heavier than air |
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| 18:13.19 | xingu | perlmonkey: you don't need to umount, just test as-is. |
| 18:13.23 | liable | my mistake, nitrous makes you voice deep pitch |
| 18:13.39 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 18:13.51 | Vasistha | liable: although the effect is not nearly as dramatic as that from helium |
| 18:13.53 | xingu | perlmonkey: timeou=600 means worst-case 20min timeout for any given iop (2x 600s) |
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| 18:14.05 | liable | Vasistha: it is on your brain :) |
| 18:14.10 | xingu | perlmonkey: (retrans x timeou) that is. |
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| 18:14.57 | oblio | hola |
| 18:15.07 | Vasistha | liable: well, honestly, the vocal effect is not usually very noticeable, because one is seldom inclined to talk when using n2o :D |
| 18:15.30 | oblio | anyone have any thoughts as to why every saturday at 6:30am my apache restarts? i've checked my /etc/cron*, and crontab -l for root.. nothing seems to indicate a job to restart. |
| 18:15.41 | Halleck | gpm: I'm gonna see if I can get mingetty to work, since util-linux is having some nasty dependency conflicts |
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| 18:15.51 | liable | Vasistha: hrm, i have been shocked at my voice more times than i should have ;) |
| 18:15.51 | wols_ | oblio: log rotation is too heavy |
| 18:15.59 | perlmonkey | oops |
| 18:16.03 | xingu | perlmonkey: is it still sticky when you do things like ls ? |
| 18:16.05 | oblio | wols_: eh |
| 18:16.11 | xingu | perlmonkey: oops? |
| 18:16.13 | perlmonkey | seems fine now! |
| 18:16.18 | oblio | wols_: apache setting for log rotation? |
| 18:16.22 | wols_ | oblio: it's what happens at that time |
| 18:16.23 | perlmonkey | xingu: that timeout is a bit too long eh |
| 18:16.26 | wols_ | weekly cronjob |
| 18:16.27 | wols_ | weekly cronjobs |
| 18:16.28 | xingu | perlmonkey: groovy; lets have some vmstat 1 love (client and server) during a test. |
| 18:16.33 | liable | Vasistha: back when i was a kid, nitrous was a great comedown after a nights raving ;) |
| 18:16.39 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 18:16.43 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 18:16.45 | hyperactivecrond | i just installed a base debian netinstall image for testing (daily build.) My only connection is a wireless network. I need ndiswrapper and wpa-supplicant.. i know everything's at ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ but which version etc do i need to download? |
| 18:16.47 | xingu | perlmonkey: we'll see if there's any other low hanging fruit while you do but I think you've got most of it now. |
| 18:16.53 | wols_ | liable: "was"? |
| 18:17.09 | wols_ | hyperactivecrond: the one for testing aka lenny |
| 18:17.09 | Vasistha | liable: I haven't used it since I shared a tank with a couple guys after a rave :P I figured I had my lifetimes' fill of nitrous that night .. err .. morning |
| 18:17.13 | liable | wols_: now i'm a grown up infant |
| 18:17.21 | perlmonkey | hehehe low hanging fruit |
| 18:17.28 | xingu | and then I better go clear the kitchen before the mrs gives me a bollocking |
| 18:17.29 | hyperactivecrond | wols_, i know but which version is that? |
| 18:17.37 | perlmonkey | too funny |
| 18:17.39 | wols_ | hyperactivecrond: I just told you. |
| 18:17.47 | perlmonkey | oops |
| 18:17.52 | hyperactivecrond | wols_: version number |
| 18:17.55 | wols_ | hyperactivecrond: pdo is sorted according to branches. and you want testing |
| 18:18.02 | perlmonkey | 71303168 bytes (71 MB) copied, 20.67 seconds, 3.4 MB/s |
| 18:18.07 | oblio | wols_: how would any log rotation script restart apache? |
| 18:18.08 | xingu | looking good |
| 18:18.08 | perlmonkey | woah never seen my network so fast |
| 18:18.09 | wols_ | hyperactivecrond: go and look yourself. it clears says it's for testing duh |
| 18:18.19 | wols_ | oblio: high load or such iirc |
| 18:18.25 | perlmonkey | ok vmstat 1 |
| 18:18.35 | hyperactivecrond | wols_: i'm thinking i'm on the wrong mirror hang on |
| 18:18.54 | wols_ | hyperactivecrond: packages.debian.org. go there |
| 18:19.04 | oblio | wols_: i found it.. thanks for the pointer |
| 18:19.07 | oblio | wols_: it just does it post rotate |
| 18:19.11 | oblio | wols_: it doesn't check anything |
| 18:19.11 | hyperactivecrond | wols_, i was on ftp.debian.org |
| 18:19.20 | oblio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.44 | wols_ | oblio: could be any other weekly cronjob tho. but afaik it's usually the logrotate |
| 18:19.56 | oblio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.56 | oblio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.56 | oblio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.56 | oblio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:20.43 | oblio | heh |
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| 18:20.44 | perlmonkey | xingu: server: http://pastebin.ca/534190 |
| 18:20.44 | oblio | i dunno if all 4 lines came through |
| 18:20.44 | liable | not funny jan |
| 18:20.47 | oblio | but when it rotates, specifically, it's set to weekly, and then it checks for a pid file. if it exists it issues a restart. |
| 18:20.47 | perlmonkey | (test was /usr/bin/time dd ibs=512k obs=512k if=/dev/zero of=/home/mythtv/file) |
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| 18:20.55 | oblio | wols_: i'm running testing, it may be different in sarge |
| 18:21.06 | wols_ | !etch |
| 18:21.06 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
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| 18:21.12 | oblio | right i meant etch |
| 18:21.15 | oblio | :-) |
| 18:21.18 | xingu | perlmonkey: after we're done here - I'd suggest you jump into /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and swap eth0 and eth1 over on the server - and - then swap your cables over and reboot it too |
| 18:21.29 | oblio | anyway, thanks for the tip |
| 18:21.30 | xingu | perlmonkey: those stats on the server end are closer to what we want |
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| 18:21.58 | xingu | perlmonkey: observe the bo (blocks out) column and the wa (wait) column getting some love |
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| 18:22.13 | perlmonkey | xingu: client side: http://pastebin.ca/534194 |
| 18:22.23 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 18:22.43 | perlmonkey | 301989888 bytes (302 MB) copied, 95.811 seconds, 3.2 MB/s |
| 18:23.15 | xingu | perlmonkey: I suspect that your LAN can do a bit better than 3.4MB/s too; should be nearer 6-8MB/s on a full-duplex 100base |
| 18:23.15 | wols_ | perlmonkey: heck, my samba is faster. on sis nics! |
| 18:23.23 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 18:23.32 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: that's like 25 Mbps huh ... not bad |
| 18:23.33 | Winkie | huh, 100mbit should be 10.2 no exceptions |
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| 18:23.39 | perlmonkey | but its a vast improvement over 700kb/s |
| 18:23.40 | xingu | perlmonkey: so lets have a look; the good news is that ftp ~= nfs, so it's not that. |
| 18:23.40 | yoshio | oblio: are you having the same trouble as in bug 425248 |
| 18:23.54 | Winkie | perlmonkey: is that your internet connection or your local network? |
| 18:23.59 | xingu | Winkie: depends on hardware, allowing for bung "switch"-es that aren't. |
| 18:24.08 | perlmonkey | lan connection over nfs |
| 18:24.11 | Winkie | xingu: well that's true but you should be able to approach that on a hub |
| 18:24.16 | Winkie | perlmonkey: that's quite bad, any wireless? |
| 18:24.18 | xingu | perlmonkey: like I said; start by swapping eth0 and eth1 about on the server |
| 18:24.25 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 18:24.30 | xingu | perlmonkey: the sis900 is poo; make the e100 face inside. |
| 18:24.31 | Winkie | yeah xingu sounds right :) |
| 18:24.32 | simonrvn | Winkie: you live in a very strange world then |
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| 18:24.37 | perlmonkey | that makes sense |
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| 18:24.51 | xingu | holy CRAP |
| 18:24.53 | Winkie | simonrvn: what where i can approach 10.2 on a hub? |
| 18:25.02 | perlmonkey | i could even replace that sis900 i got some better cards now |
| 18:25.04 | xingu | perlmonkey: one of those server lines shows 9k irq/s |
| 18:25.05 | axos88 | hello, can someone tell me what package includes the mke2fs utility? |
| 18:25.13 | simonrvn | i doubt it. prove it |
| 18:25.16 | perlmonkey | xingu: what's it mean? |
| 18:25.17 | pzn | perlmonkey: which command did you use to generate the statistics in your pastebin post? |
| 18:25.29 | perlmonkey | vmstat 1 |
| 18:25.32 | xingu | perlmonkey: it means that your system is flogging itself to bits handling interrupts. :) |
| 18:25.38 | perlmonkey | :( |
| 18:25.40 | Winkie | axos88: that would be e2fsprogs |
| 18:25.45 | Winkie | and also simonrvn it was a very quiet switch :) |
| 18:25.52 | axos88 | Winkie: thanks |
| 18:25.54 | Winkie | uh, hub |
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| 18:26.12 | xingu | perlmonkey: is the server system dual cpu? |
| 18:26.22 | wols_ | simonrvn: depens how many hosts leech off that hub, no? |
| 18:26.36 | perlmonkey | xingu: aye but theres only one cpu fitted |
| 18:26.53 | xingu | perlmonkey: oh ok; is it a HT cpu or just an ordinary single core or a real dual core? |
| 18:26.57 | simonrvn | i don't care, he makes a statement like that, he should back it up or STFU |
| 18:27.16 | perlmonkey | I'm not sure, the actual server is Toshiba Magnia 3030 |
| 18:27.26 | Winkie | are we talking about me here simonrvn? becuase it was a VERY long time ago |
| 18:27.28 | xingu | perlmonkey: proc/cpuinfo should reveal all |
| 18:27.32 | simonrvn | no changes in lan configuration that'd be cheating |
| 18:27.34 | perlmonkey | *checks* |
| 18:27.36 | hyperactivecrond | where can i find the lenny ndiswrapper kernel module? |
| 18:27.41 | hyperactivecrond | what section is it in |
| 18:27.46 | hyperactivecrond | or do i have to compile it.. |
| 18:27.48 | simonrvn | Winkie: then be quiet |
| 18:28.01 | xingu | simonrvn: I figure I'm batting an ok average today on this one :) |
| 18:28.30 | sthoo | axos88: check this : http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?version=testing&arch=i386&case=insensitive&word=mke2fs&searchmode=searchfiles |
| 18:28.46 | simonrvn | xingu: indeed |
| 18:29.21 | axos88 | sthoo: thanks, winkie already pointed it out |
| 18:29.23 | perlmonkey | http://pastebin.ca/534216 |
| 18:29.31 | Vasistha | hyperactivecrond: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?suite=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any§ion=all&case=insensitive&keywords=ndiswrapper&searchon=names |
| 18:30.00 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok end of line on that track; your system would benefit from a pair of late model xeon's if you want to fleabay for 'em |
| 18:30.11 | hyperactivecrond | Vasistha, that's funny.. there is no _module_ for testing |
| 18:30.19 | perlmonkey | will it take those in the same slot? |
| 18:30.24 | perlmonkey | *slots |
| 18:30.32 | Vasistha | hyperactivecrond: damn. |
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| 18:31.09 | xingu | perlmonkey: get a matched pair (same rev) and install irqbalance when you've got it; apart from that the remaining fruit is to get your lvd sorted out - find out why your host adapter/ cage/ disks aren't coming up at 40MHz (scsi80) |
| 18:31.17 | Vasistha | hyperactivecrond: maybe you will have to compile, then ... I'm not sure, myself. Were you the one asking earlier about finding a linux-friendly wireless card? |
| 18:31.23 | xingu | perlmonkey: dunno, this is research for you |
| 18:31.24 | hyperactivecrond | Vasistha, nope |
| 18:31.36 | hyperactivecrond | Vasistha, i dont have a long enough cat5 cable |
| 18:31.38 | perlmonkey | okay thanks |
| 18:31.41 | hyperactivecrond | to hook up to my router |
| 18:31.50 | hyperactivecrond | and have apt-get install build-essential and whatnot |
| 18:31.52 | perlmonkey | at least we got some speed improvement |
| 18:31.54 | xingu | perlmonkey: 2x late xeon CPU's will let your host park interrupt load on one core and the xfs/nfs data mangling on another |
| 18:32.01 | wols_ | hyperactivecrond: why not install stable then and upgrade later? |
| 18:32.10 | hyperactivecrond | my wireless card will NOT work with bcm43xx |
| 18:32.12 | xingu | perlmonkey: there should be a marginal win in terms of interrupt load by swizzling your nic's over |
| 18:32.13 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 18:32.29 | xingu | perlmonkey: the e100 is actually not a bad chip and the driver for it is pretty good. |
| 18:32.33 | hyperactivecrond | wols_, *sigh* does stable have an ndiswrapper kernel module pre-compiled? |
| 18:32.45 | xingu | perlmonkey: the vortex is bloody excellent for 802.3u, you've lucked in tere. |
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| 18:32.56 | perlmonkey | I just managed ok with a bad cable for 3 years because my network demands were very modest until i started getting into streaming video recently heh |
| 18:32.59 | wols_ | unlikely |
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| 18:33.51 | shay | what can I do if my system doesn't has enough ttys? MAKEDEV and mknod doesn't help |
| 18:33.56 | perlmonkey | woohoo |
| 18:34.10 | perlmonkey | xingu: thanks for all your help :) |
| 18:34.15 | sthoo | can someone tell me how to change the size of /home partition on ext3 filesystem without a data loss ? |
| 18:34.15 | Vasistha | shay: why not use 'screen'? |
| 18:34.38 | xingu | perlmonkey: no probs, I think we're done; the client end vmstat is looking healthy, high-80's iowait |
| 18:34.51 | xingu | perlmonkey: obviously more dram client-side would mean less frequent io there... |
| 18:34.58 | hyperactivecrond | no offense but one would think since debian is so great with package management, they would have the essential core pacakge for ndiswrapper's kernel module pre-compiled.. |
| 18:35.27 | shay | Vasistha, every time you use a virtual screen (ex. ^A-c) it will need a new "tty", which I don't have |
| 18:35.28 | hyperactivecrond | i dont mind compiling but the fact is that i don't feel like sitting here forever downloading dependencies galore for buildling stuff.. |
| 18:35.34 | perlmonkey | I tried putting 512mb into this dell client box but it doesnt seem to like the memory because I get weird vertical lines on the screen |
| 18:35.46 | xingu | perlmonkey: interrupt rate on client is high but not life threatening |
| 18:35.50 | simonrvn | hyperactivecrond: that's essential to only some people |
| 18:35.54 | perlmonkey | that memory came from a good box too, and it happens with either strip in the box |
| 18:36.01 | hyperactivecrond | simonrvn, read: anyone who needs ndiswrapper |
| 18:36.06 | xingu | perlmonkey: you won't notice a change for flatline banchmarks; it'll just mean you do less io on any given mix. |
| 18:36.13 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 18:36.23 | xingu | perlmonkey: io is dog slow, the best optimisation is to not do it at all |
| 18:36.35 | xingu | perlmonkey: linux-2.6-current's nfs client-side caching is getting quite good |
| 18:36.41 | xingu | perlmonkey: which means more memory pays off. |
| 18:36.51 | perlmonkey | is there a better option now than using nfs? |
| 18:36.54 | xingu | perlmonkey: benchmark is rgrep -r somestring /usr/src/linux-... |
| 18:37.03 | xingu | perlmonkey: probably not imho |
| 18:37.08 | hyperactivecrond | is cpio installed by default? |
| 18:37.14 | wols_ | perlmonkey: samba and nfs suck about equally. so: no |
| 18:37.16 | Vasistha | shay: hmm, so 64 is not enough, huh? wow. |
| 18:37.19 | perlmonkey | hehe |
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| 18:37.45 | xingu | perlmonkey: /second/ iteration of rgrep after cold boot should be a high-80%'s cache-hit ie very little io |
| 18:37.48 | wols_ | hyperactivecrond: yes |
| 18:37.57 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 18:37.58 | xingu | perlmonkey: ... if the client box has memory to spare. |
| 18:38.01 | simonrvn | hyperactivecrond: yes, but it's not like it was ls or rm ;). |
| 18:38.09 | hyperactivecrond | wols_: funny. it doesn't show up on packages.debian.org.. |
| 18:38.12 | perlmonkey | I will get some more memory I think |
| 18:38.18 | hyperactivecrond | simonrvn, true |
| 18:38.22 | xingu | perlmonkey: so; swap your server nic's over, find out the spec on those hp 18.2G's and see if they can do lvd |
| 18:38.26 | perlmonkey | I think perhaps I damaged those 2 x 256mb strips |
| 18:38.34 | perlmonkey | ok will do |
| 18:38.43 | xingu | perlmonkey: if not - that's the problem right there - if they can - maybe your scsi host adapter is the limiter. |
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| 18:38.58 | perlmonkey | I could fit a new host adaptor eh |
| 18:39.01 | xingu | perlmonkey: the remaining disks should all be lvd per spec sheet |
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| 18:39.10 | xingu | perlmonkey: sure; just move the cable off the mb onto it. |
| 18:42.15 | hyperactivecrond | netsplit |
| 18:42.15 | xingu | who farted |
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| 18:42.15 | perlmonkey | that server is quite old but im recluctant to replace it now |
| 18:42.15 | xingu | liable, was that you again? |
| 18:42.15 | simonrvn | weee. little one |
| 18:42.16 | itchi | Hello nice folk |
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| 18:42.16 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 18:42.16 | Azar | hi honorable itchi |
| 18:42.16 | simonrvn | big one from the other side ;) |
| 18:42.16 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok I'm done apart from that; do swap your nics, that's a freebie. |
| 18:42.16 | itchi | Tux junior is been there. 3,8 kg, 51 cm, born on the 1 june ... |
| 18:42.16 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 18:42.17 | wols_ | hyperactivecrond: you are vrey bad at using a simple website. you are wrong |
| 18:42.17 | xingu | perlmonkey: rest of the stuff - if you care; you should be able to hit about 5-6MB/s on that setup though. |
| 18:42.17 | Azar | itchi: sex? |
| 18:42.17 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 18:42.18 | hyperactivecrond | wols_: MMKAY, then. it doesn't show up in the package search |
| 18:42.18 | xingu | perlmonkey: it's /probably/ just the sis900 NIC that's killing you |
| 18:42.18 | itchi | Azar: A Boy called Ylias |
| 18:42.18 | hyperactivecrond | wols_: for _STABLE_, right? |
| 18:42.18 | itchi | I'm just back :-p |
| 18:42.19 | Azar | itchi: congrats! :) |
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| 18:42.19 | itchi | Azar: Thanks! |
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| 18:42.19 | wols_ | hyperactivecrond: and testing. and sid |
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| 18:42.19 | hyperactivecrond | wols_: it's not there for testign! |
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| 18:42.20 | hyperactivecrond | testing* |
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| 18:42.20 | hyperactivecrond | we're talking about the actual kernel module |
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| 18:42.41 | hyperactivecrond | _not_ the usersapace utils |
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| 18:43.11 | wols_ | hyperactivecrond: what cpio do you mean exactly? where is it supposed to be normally? |
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| 18:43.11 | hyperactivecrond | wols_: never mind. |
| 18:43.14 | wols_ | and if you talk simply about "cpio" anyone will assume the userland tool of years |
| 18:43.17 | tarzeau | asg, liable: that was fun: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/debian.txt |
| 18:43.24 | hyperactivecrond | wols_: i assumed you wree talking about ndiswrapper still |
| 18:43.26 | hyperactivecrond | not cpio |
| 18:43.31 | hyperactivecrond | i figured that'd be installed by default. |
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| 18:44.37 | wols_ | then why do you ask about cpio? |
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| 18:44.51 | xyz123 | Hi i want to install my nvidia drivers for 2.6.21-1-486, ive tried with nvidias install script and it complains about the lincense - "FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol" and i cant seem to find any nvidia deb packages for 2.6.21-1-486... Any ideas on how to resolve my situation? |
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| 18:45.10 | MoDaX | xyz123: wait for 2.6.22 |
| 18:45.33 | MoDaX | or use 2.6.18 |
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| 18:45.56 | xyz123 | MoDaX, 2.6.22 will be a while? |
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| 18:46.47 | MoDaX | xyz123: probably. another solution is to patch the kernel yourself |
| 18:46.52 | MoDaX | and recompile |
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| 18:49.20 | Vasistha | damn, what a pita |
| 18:49.27 | xyz123 | MoDaX, is there any guides/howtos for that? It seems a bit rough without guidance... |
| 18:49.27 | itchi | xyz123: Hold on |
| 18:50.13 | xyz123 | itchi, sure |
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| 18:50.13 | hyperactivecrond | !fart |
| 18:50.13 | itchi | xyz123: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 18:50.15 | itchi | Time to eat and i'm back for the whole night :-p |
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| 18:50.19 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:50.20 | xyz123 | Is it possible to revert gcc to fit the 2.6.18 kernel then? |
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| 18:50.34 | MoDaX | xyz123: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411949 |
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| 18:50.45 | hyperactivecrond | pngwn, i'm sorry if i offended you. log off irc, sell your computer, and use the money on a deposit for a gun. point it at someone who cares. |
| 18:51.02 | MoDaX | xyz123: 2.6.18 has precompile nvidia kernel module for etch |
| 18:51.05 | MoDaX | precompiled* |
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| 18:52.09 | Azar | liable were you the one asking for the link for the new ATI linux driver? yesterday? |
| 18:52.18 | stoned | Azar: you suck |
| 18:52.26 | Azar | :D!!! stoned!! |
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| 18:52.30 | struct | anyone had any problems with nvidia drivers and some error about /usr/lib/dosemu? |
| 18:52.30 | stoned | hey buddy |
| 18:52.32 | stoned | whats up |
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| 18:52.43 | Azar | hey what up? I just back from hospital yesterday |
| 18:52.46 | stoned | struct: you could check the bts |
| 18:52.51 | stoned | Azar: what happened? |
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| 18:52.55 | teclo | Evening, in what package does ogg123 reside ? Sorry can't find it |
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| 18:52.58 | xyz123 | MoDaX, the situation is the following i installed 2.6.21 packages and along came a new version of gcc. When i revert to 2.6.18 vmware wont compile its headers since the new version of gcc is not the same as the gcc the kernel was compiled with... how do i solve this? |
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| 18:53.03 | Azar | stoned: both feet surgery... going well now |
| 18:53.11 | struct | stoned: checked it but I cannot find anything relavant to my problem |
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| 18:53.50 | stoned | Azar: oh man, hope you get better soon |
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| 18:53.58 | stoned | struct: then file a bug. /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 18:54.08 | Azar | stoned: dell to release about 8000 workers - restructuration |
| 18:54.31 | struct | stoned: not sure which package to file the bug against |
| 18:54.39 | Azar | stoned: hey, looking on the bright side: 6 weeks of vacation! |
| 18:54.44 | yoshio | xyz123: dpkg -l |grep gcc shows that I have gcc3.3, 4.0 and 4.1 installed at the same time. you should be able to have multiple versions also |
| 18:54.52 | yoshio | xyz123: I'm using Etch stable |
| 18:54.53 | stoned | struct: well what is the error, care to paste us on paster |
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| 18:54.59 | stoned | Azar: hell yea man |
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| 18:55.48 | xyz123 | yoshio thanks! |
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| 18:56.02 | xyz123 | MoDaX, thanks for all your help |
| 18:56.10 | NULL- | Can anyone report XChat-SysTray functioning properly on Debian -unstable? |
| 18:56.24 | struct | stoned: well I compile my own kernel and then try to install the nvidia driver from nvidia's website and it fails with some error about a file not found at /usr/lib/dosemu/drive_z/..... |
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| 18:56.32 | Azar | ATI: "This release of the Catalyst Linux graphics driver introduces the Catalyst Control Center Linux Edition version 1.0. -- more at http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/06/02/catalyst_75_folding_linux_ogl/1 |
| 18:56.35 | NULL- | preferably under XFCE. that, and xchat "flashing" in the tray on messages |
| 18:56.36 | wols_ | xyz123: use the proper gcc when you compile the vmware crap then |
| 18:56.57 | struct | stoned: |
| 18:56.57 | stoned | struct: eh |
| 18:56.58 | struct | dang it |
| 18:56.58 | Azar | hehe |
| 18:56.58 | stoned | lol |
| 18:57.14 | struct | my middle mouse button is acting up |
| 18:57.17 | struct | :-P |
| 18:57.17 | stoned | struct: try to compile using module assistant maybe? |
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| 18:57.36 | struct | stoned: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2771886 |
| 18:58.03 | stoned | struct: you probably just overwrote the buffer or didn't copy to it |
| 18:58.04 | struct | I dont want to use module assistant |
| 18:58.05 | struct | I have always installed myown kernel and built modules myself |
| 18:58.05 | Azar | aw not nice.. m-a is cool |
| 18:58.06 | hark | teclo: use apt-file or search at p.d.o |
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| 18:58.22 | tarzeau | use a http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/elmex/banana.txt |
| 18:58.37 | struct | I just dist-upgraded the other day on sid and I guess thats why I have problems now |
| 18:58.43 | struct | tarzeau: whats up |
| 18:58.44 | stoned | ok |
| 18:58.54 | stoned | struct: so its not a dosemu issue afaik |
| 18:58.59 | tarzeau | struct: bored, nobody playes sauerbraten or bub-n-bros |
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| 18:59.06 | struct | stoned: not that I know of |
| 18:59.17 | stoned | struct: you can't really file a bug against nvidia on debian bts |
| 18:59.19 | wols_ | struct: do you have headers installed for your self compiled kernel? |
| 18:59.25 | struct | stoned: I am quite perplexed as to why the error references /usr/lib/dosemu in the first place though |
| 18:59.36 | stoned | struct: me too man |
| 18:59.36 | struct | stoned: right which is why I have not |
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| 18:59.49 | stoned | struct: its a little befuddeling |
| 18:59.53 | struct | wols_: I do not need headers as my /usr/src/linux is pointing to my compiled sources |
| 19:00.01 | stoned | tarzeau: you ever played Snow Bros.? |
| 19:00.15 | stoned | tarzeau: back int he olden days at the arcade maybe? |
| 19:00.19 | struct | tarzeau: played wop recently? |
| 19:00.29 | tarzeau | struct: never heard of it? |
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| 19:00.36 | struct | tarzeau: worms of prey? |
| 19:00.37 | tarzeau | struct: worms of prey or world of padman? |
| 19:00.44 | tarzeau | struct: i hate that game |
| 19:00.46 | stoned | hehe |
| 19:00.47 | stoned | padman |
| 19:00.48 | stoned | lol |
| 19:00.53 | struct | tarzeau: why did you want me to package it then? |
| 19:01.35 | xyz123 | how do i tell gcc to use 4.1.2 instead of 4.1.3 if both are installed? |
| 19:01.38 | tarzeau | struct: dunno, to try it (too lazy to build it to try it :) |
| 19:01.44 | struct | xyz123: adjust symlinks |
| 19:01.45 | tarzeau | struct: maybe it looked cool at first |
| 19:01.46 | stoned | xyz123: export CC=/path |
| 19:02.00 | tarzeau | stoned: but then i've never liked that sort of games (or is only fun on a local computer) |
| 19:02.01 | Vasistha | tarzeau: nice banana |
| 19:02.02 | stoned | xyz123: where /path == /path/to/gcc/youwant/binary |
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| 19:02.19 | xyz123 | stoned, thanks |
| 19:02.21 | stoned | yw |
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| 19:02.28 | tarzeau | Vasistha: thanks |
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| 19:03.08 | wols_ | xyz123: export CC=/path/to/gcc |
| 19:03.16 | Azar | tarzeau, heard of FoF ? |
| 19:03.21 | stoned | wols_: redundant |
| 19:03.23 | tarzeau | Azar: yeah, don't like it |
| 19:03.38 | wols_ | stoned: type slower dammit! |
| 19:03.41 | stoned | lol |
| 19:03.43 | NULL- | is there a "comprehensive" (i.e. documentation) debian wiki? |
| 19:03.48 | stoned | ok i'll go take a break brb |
| 19:03.56 | xand | TIME |
| 19:03.56 | Azar | don't like to make music? |
| 19:04.09 | tarzeau | Azar: nop, i play ready made music |
| 19:04.13 | Halleck | I've managed to get my tty's working with mingetty but now I can't start gnome with startx... :/ |
| 19:04.15 | Azar | :) |
| 19:04.25 | tarzeau | Azar: ocp `find ~/music|rl` |
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| 19:04.29 | struct | this nvidia thing sucks |
| 19:04.29 | stoned | you should let me record some electric guitar licks for you |
| 19:04.29 | Halleck | Any ideas? I have gnome-session in .xinitrc |
| 19:04.33 | stoned | tarzeau: ^^ |
| 19:04.45 | tarzeau | stoned: go ahead, i'll be glad to listen to them |
| 19:04.48 | Azar | haha licks? |
| 19:04.51 | stoned | tarzeau: http://youfuck.mypets.ws/music/Mortal.mp3 |
| 19:04.51 | yoshio | xyz123: ls -l /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 19:04.53 | tarzeau | stoned: wait, i have a guitar too! |
| 19:04.56 | tarzeau | stoned: you can teach me? |
| 19:04.59 | stoned | sure man |
| 19:05.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: the guitar, you know which, right? |
| 19:05.06 | Vasistha | guitar lessons over irc |
| 19:05.08 | stoned | I plan on having a guitar instructional site soon |
| 19:05.16 | tarzeau | stoned: let me remove the dust |
| 19:05.59 | stoned | tarzeau: check the link i posted |
| 19:05.59 | stoned | I make my music free to use |
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| 19:05.59 | stoned | whatever public domain lisence |
| 19:05.59 | stoned | whatever |
| 19:05.59 | mrsn0 | is it acoustic stoned ? |
| 19:05.59 | inazad | I've compiled and installed a new kernel.... Where I can find the new ''initrd.img'' ?? |
| 19:06.00 | stoned | just check it |
| 19:06.01 | stoned | brb |
| 19:06.06 | Vasistha | inazad: /boot |
| 19:06.17 | yoshio | xyz123: oops, the CC thing is much better |
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| 19:06.22 | xyz123 | i did the following "export CC=/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2" and then gcc --version still said 4.1.3 |
| 19:06.24 | inazad | Vasistha, what is it name ? |
| 19:06.24 | tarzeau | hehe ma3x_sucks.mp3 |
| 19:06.29 | itchi | Azar: I cross my fingers for you mate |
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| 19:06.50 | Vasistha | inazad: initrd.img-<version> |
| 19:06.54 | Azar | itchi: thank you, it is ok I am past the surgery, and it seems to heal very fast, I can stand and walk in small steps |
| 19:07.06 | inazad | Vasistha, its not there |
| 19:07.14 | tarzeau | stoned: man install www.sauerbraten.org it's full of music like you do |
| 19:07.14 | spheard | how do I pipe a load of sequential filenames into a program (imagemagick)? |
| 19:07.16 | itchi | Azar: Thats good news :-) |
| 19:07.29 | Vasistha | inazad: did you properly create the initrd when you compiled the kernel? |
| 19:07.39 | Vasistha | spheard: where are you getting the filenames? |
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| 19:07.47 | inazad | Vasistha, I have done make but make install do nothing.. |
| 19:07.48 | NULL- | how can I get a list I've `specifically` installed (i.e. were not brought in as dependencies) ? |
| 19:07.50 | xyz123 | stoned, that would be what you meant right? |
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| 19:07.57 | NULL- | I usually install via `apt-get install` |
| 19:08.05 | tarzeau | stoned: what about tracking music? i mean, try apt-cache show schism |
| 19:08.07 | mrsn0 | nice skillz stoned |
| 19:08.07 | Vasistha | inazad: you should be compiling the kernel the debian way!!! |
| 19:08.12 | wols_ | NULL-: does not exit |
| 19:08.15 | wols_ | *exist |
| 19:08.17 | Vasistha | !tell inazad about kp mantra |
| 19:08.22 | stoned | xyz123: ? |
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| 19:08.39 | stoned | tarzeau: schism? |
| 19:08.41 | Vasistha | inazad: and why are you compiling your kernel, anyway? |
| 19:08.42 | xyz123 | stoned, i did the following "export CC=/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2" and then gcc --version still said 4.1.3 |
| 19:08.42 | NULL- | wols_: ok |
| 19:08.47 | pbn | Hello, how can I see what keyboard map I am using at the console ? |
| 19:08.49 | inazad | Vasistha, I do make allyesconfig |
| 19:08.50 | stoned | xyz123: no |
| 19:08.57 | Vasistha | inazad: why? |
| 19:08.57 | inazad | Vasistha, after I have do make |
| 19:08.59 | wols_ | xyz123: no. the path to the gcc 4.1.3 executable. waht you gave was a directoriy or such |
| 19:09.08 | stoned | xyz123: export CC=/bin/gcc/gcc-4.alsdfblahblah |
| 19:09.09 | stoned | whatever |
| 19:09.12 | stoned | the binary |
| 19:09.12 | inazad | Vasistha, because I have an old version :-) |
| 19:09.12 | tarzeau | stoned: yeah, a tracker |
| 19:09.19 | stoned | !info schism |
| 19:09.23 | dpkg | schism: (ImpulseTracker clone aiming at providing the same look&feel), section sound, is optional. Version: 1:0.5rc1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 325 kB, Installed size: 724 kB |
| 19:09.30 | stoned | me googles |
| 19:09.32 | Vasistha | inazad: how old? I'm using a '98 model computer here, it works great with the stock 2.6.18 |
| 19:09.42 | NULL- | How can I `increase` the resolution of my console (I'd like to use the "stock" 2.6.21-1-686 kernel. My screen's max res is 1024x768. |
| 19:11.08 | inazad | Vasistha, where I can find the initrd.img... the newer |
| 19:11.08 | wols_ | NULL-: framebuffer |
| 19:11.08 | tarzeau | stoned, abrotman: http://www.theblueguitar.com/images/Framus%20front.jpg |
| 19:11.08 | Vasistha | inazad: I don't know. it looks like you are attempting to break your debian system, so I'm not really sure what's going to happen. |
| 19:11.09 | stoned | I want to colorcode the bootup sequences like in DSL linux or knoppix etc. |
| 19:11.09 | stoned | I should get on it soon |
| 19:11.09 | stoned | been wanting to do that for a while now |
| 19:11.10 | NULL- | wols_: mind giving more info? |
| 19:11.25 | yoshio | xyz123: $(CC) --version in your makefile gave you the wrong version? |
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| 19:11.32 | inazad | Vasistha, do the bzImage its the initrd.img ? |
| 19:12.24 | xyz123 | yoshio, no $gcc --version gave me 4.1.3 |
| 19:12.30 | wols_ | NULL-: hardware dependent. read the framebuffer howto |
| 19:12.37 | Vasistha | inazad: what are you doing with bzImage? You should be using make-kpkg if anything, and in all likelihood you don't even need to be rolling your own. |
| 19:12.42 | tarzeau | stoned: what's with your <title> ? |
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| 19:13.15 | NULL- | barely helpful, but thanks anyway wols_ |
| 19:13.18 | stoned | tarzeau: porn? |
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| 19:13.27 | tarzeau | stoned: ye? |
| 19:13.28 | stoned | just a goof |
| 19:13.29 | stoned | :) |
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| 19:13.48 | wols_ | NULL-: if you don't like my answers, look for someone else who answers your questions, good day |
| 19:14.17 | NULL- | never would have thought of it |
| 19:14.39 | NULL- | I'm not demanding answers, why are you demanding I have no opinion on how much your answers help? |
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| 19:15.05 | stoned | NULL-: just read, and come back with specific questions about it |
| 19:15.13 | stoned | NULL-: google link is given to you |
| 19:15.35 | ix | first hit seems relevant. :) |
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| 19:15.42 | stoned | NULL-: get general knowledge of it, then come back with what you don't understand |
| 19:15.51 | yoshio | xyz123: if you have a makefile like CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3 |
| 19:16.03 | yoshio | xyz123: test: |
| 19:16.05 | NULL- | as I've said, I want to use the "stock" kernel. the TLDP guide includes sections on enabling the framebuffer. so I was more or less looking for a debian-specific guide |
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| 19:16.24 | yoshio | xyz123: <tab> $(CC) --version |
| 19:16.25 | stoned | NULL-: er.. modprobe fb? |
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| 19:16.27 | NULL- | I don't precisely know what the kernel has enabled by default |
| 19:16.28 | stoned | or something |
| 19:16.29 | yoshio | xyz123: then it works |
| 19:16.37 | wols_ | NULL-: how about looking if the debian kernel already has those needed options set? |
| 19:16.58 | stoned | wols_: maybe he doesn't know how |
| 19:16.59 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.09 | yoshio | xyz123: if you are at the command line, then $CC --version should work |
| 19:17.38 | wols_ | stoned: then he shouldn't complain about it |
| 19:17.54 | NULL- | who's complaining |
| 19:18.00 | wols_ | NULL-: hint: it usually does |
| 19:18.02 | xyz123 | stoned, im sorry to ask you even more but i cant find any other gcc binary for 4.1.2 than "/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/cc1" ive tried using locate "$gcc |grep 4.1.2" and all it shows is the files in "/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/" - $gcc --version still reads 4.1.3 |
| 19:18.42 | xyz123 | yoshio, my problem is that i cant find the 4.1.2 to point CC to |
| 19:18.51 | Halleck | oh cool... I've got mingetty running on tty's 1-6 and gdm/X on tty7. This works great. Thanks for the help all! |
| 19:18.57 | NULL- | ihm |
| 19:19.05 | NULL- | good |
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| 19:19.32 | NULL- | well, thanks for the info |
| 19:19.44 | stoned | xyz123: dpkg -L pkgname|grep bin . substitute pkgname with gcc package you installed |
| 19:19.50 | yoshio | xyz123: gcc4.1 --version gives me version 4.1.2 |
| 19:19.53 | stoned | xyz123: it will give you the exact location of the gcc binary |
| 19:20.08 | wols_ | yoshio: yes. I'm very surprised he has 2 gcc 4.1 versions... |
| 19:20.14 | wols_ | which I somehwoe can't believe |
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| 19:21.11 | yoshio | xyz123: strange, I have 4.0.4 and 4.1.2 /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/ |
| 19:21.35 | yoshio | no, not strange, I have gcc4.0 and gcc4.1 installed |
| 19:22.16 | stoned | /usr/bin/ is where it is located |
| 19:22.19 | wols_ | xyz123: dpkg -l gcc* is 4.1.2 installed? |
| 19:22.53 | spheard | Vasistha: there a load op pictures I want to alter |
| 19:22.57 | stoned | /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 |
| 19:23.06 | stoned | i have 4.1.2 and this is the binary for it |
| 19:23.29 | Vasistha | spheard: are they all in the same directory? |
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| 19:23.59 | spheard | Vasistha: yeh |
| 19:24.04 | Vasistha | spheard: well anyway, maybe you want something like this: for i in *.jpg; do imagemagick -your -optios "$i"; done |
| 19:24.15 | xyz123 | stoned, i got the same setup here but "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" and $gcc --version still reads 4.1.3 |
| 19:24.29 | wols_ | xyz123: $gcc ? |
| 19:24.35 | stoned | xyz123: lets try this. why do you need 4.1.3? |
| 19:24.40 | stoned | or .2 |
| 19:24.41 | stoned | whatever |
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| 19:25.00 | xyz123 | stoned, to be able to recompile the headers for vmware |
| 19:25.04 | wols_ | and: is 4.1.2 even installed? cause in debian all the 4.1 gccs are named "gcc-4.1" |
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| 19:25.17 | yoshio | xyz123: you want to type $CC --version |
| 19:25.26 | yoshio | not $gcc |
| 19:25.34 | stoned | well 4.1.2 == 4.1.1-21 etc. |
| 19:25.48 | stoned | i don't have .3 so i dunno |
| 19:25.53 | stoned | but its all 4.1~ish |
| 19:26.08 | xyz123 | yoshio, i did but the above was a typo. $CC --version returns 4.1.3 |
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| 19:26.17 | stoned | so which package does he have |
| 19:26.25 | stoned | need to find this out first |
| 19:26.27 | perlmonkey | arrrrghh i dont believe it. i changed my nics around and now got exactly the same problem as before :-( |
| 19:27.01 | spheard | Vasistha, for $i in *.jpg; do convert $i.jpg (command) convert/$i.jpg; done |
| 19:27.14 | yoshio | xyz123: what does dpkg -l |grep gcc show? |
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| 19:27.19 | xyz123 | "dpkg -l |grep gcc" returns amongst others "ii gcc-4.1 --- 4.1.2-10 --- The GNU C compiler" |
| 19:27.22 | Vasistha | spheard: no, ''for i in'' not ''for $i in'' |
| 19:27.32 | wols_ | yoshio: dpkg -l gcc* |
| 19:27.34 | spheard | Vasistha, k, Ill have a go :-) |
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| 19:28.02 | Vasistha | spheard: and convert "$i" "convert/$i" *not* convert $i.jpg convert/$i.jpg |
| 19:28.05 | xingu | perlmonkey: heh |
| 19:28.12 | wols_ | xyz123: dpkg -L gcc-4.1 |grep bin |grep gcc |
| 19:28.14 | xingu | perlmonkey: on the client, or on the server this time? |
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| 19:28.17 | perlmonkey | I think it may just be stale nfs |
| 19:28.17 | Vasistha | spheard: if you have filenames with spaces in them, you need the "double quotes" |
| 19:28.23 | perlmonkey | on the client |
| 19:28.34 | xingu | perlmonkey: same problem as in erroring? |
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| 19:28.40 | xingu | perlmonkey: or just as in stalled on ls |
| 19:28.42 | sobersabre | hi, |
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| 19:28.53 | sobersabre | I've written: AllowUsers user1@192.168.111. |
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| 19:28.58 | sobersabre | in sshd_config. |
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| 19:29.03 | xyz123 | wols_, " dpkg -L gcc-4.1 |grep bin |grep gcc " returns " amongst others "/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" |
| 19:29.07 | perlmonkey | xingu: I'm just about to check errors, but its the same symptom, like locking up when I do the test, however no file seems to be written, so I'm guessing its stale nfs mount |
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| 19:29.14 | sobersabre | is this syntax ... legal ? |
| 19:29.20 | pm2 | Hello - I'm trying to setup OpenLDAP with TLS/SSL on a single computer for testing. What do I need to put as the common name in the SSL certificate to get this to work? I'm working with this at a temporary location, which is on a NAT behind a router, so DNS doesn't really know about this machine. I just want to set it up to get it tested and working, and then I can go back and put in the correct SSL info once I get the server where its going to be perma |
| 19:29.20 | pm2 | nently. |
| 19:29.20 | spheard | Vasistha: no, the filenames are just a number 0577677 |
| 19:29.23 | xingu | perlmonkey: yes; this will happen after nfs server reboot |
| 19:29.28 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 19:29.34 | xingu | perlmonkey: it's been that long I can't remember if the client recovers eventually or not |
| 19:29.46 | wols_ | xyz123: what debian do you run? |
| 19:29.47 | xingu | perlmonkey: try mount -o remount /your/mount/point |
| 19:29.47 | perlmonkey | I switched over the nic's without rebooting |
| 19:29.55 | sobersabre | will it do the desired effect, i.e.: allow user1 to connect from the internal net, but dissallow from an external one ? |
| 19:30.01 | xyz123 | wols_, unstable |
| 19:30.05 | xingu | perlmonkey: oh ok then - so no reboot on nfs server? |
| 19:30.12 | Vasistha | spheard: ahh, then you don't technically need the double quotes (although it's good to be in the habit of using them anyway) but you should not be appending .jpg to $i -- because then you'll get, e.g., 0577677.jpg.jpg |
| 19:30.12 | perlmonkey | ya no reboot |
| 19:30.18 | xingu | perlmonkey: can you ping the server? |
| 19:30.20 | wols_ | xyz123: where did you install gcc-4.1.3 from? |
| 19:30.20 | spheard | Vasistha:heh, the files dont even have an extension!! |
| 19:30.26 | perlmonkey | yup can ping server from client |
| 19:30.33 | spheard | Vasistha:there some weird medical imaging format |
| 19:30.41 | xingu | perlmonkey: foine, should recover in time then |
| 19:30.44 | Vasistha | spheard: ohh ... then you want convert "$i" "convert/$i.jpg" |
| 19:30.45 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 19:30.52 | xyz123 | wols_, when i installed 2.6.21 |
| 19:30.59 | wols_ | xyz123: that is BS |
| 19:31.01 | xingu | perlmonkey: just check that showmount -e server from the client works |
| 19:31.05 | xingu | perlmonkey: and wait. :) |
| 19:31.10 | itchi | Someone know a nice (web)photo album, with 'users' permissions?? |
| 19:31.27 | xyz123 | wols_, then it came with some non-supervised update |
| 19:31.34 | perlmonkey | Export list for 192.168.1.1: /home/media 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 |
| 19:32.05 | wols_ | xyz123: it can't since there is no gcc 4.1.3 in debian... |
| 19:32.14 | xingu | perlmonkey: should follow through and recover then |
| 19:32.14 | xyz123 | wols_, im not bullshitting anyone i seriously need to get this to work thats all. And you all have been more than patient |
| 19:32.23 | wols_ | xyz123: and people who run UNSUPERVISED upgrades in sid should be shot imho |
| 19:32.24 | xingu | perlmonkey: in the mean time retest your ftp? |
| 19:32.29 | perlmonkey | ahh its timed out now, im able to mount again |
| 19:32.36 | perlmonkey | :D |
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| 19:32.39 | wols_ | xyz123: any non debian repos in your sources.list? |
| 19:32.49 | xyz123 | wols_, nope |
| 19:32.50 | xingu | perlmonkey: v. interested in vmstat 1 from server this time |
| 19:33.00 | wols_ | xyz123: what you tell us does not add up |
| 19:33.01 | perlmonkey | ok will do another test |
| 19:33.07 | xyz123 | wols_, hang on |
| 19:33.28 | xingu | perlmonkey: e100 should support tso (tcp segment offloading - this is seriously good-fu for nfs on tcp at the server end. |
| 19:33.32 | wols_ | there is no 4.1.3 in debian, and kernel images don't install gccs |
| 19:33.35 | yoshio | xyz123: 4.1.2-11 is the latest in unstable. there is also a 4.2-20070528-1 |
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| 19:33.52 | perlmonkey | xingu: damn it is locking up as before :-/ |
| 19:34.11 | xyz123 | wols_, from vmware-config.pl "Your kernel was built with "gcc" version "4.1.2", while you are trying to use "/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" version "4.1.3"." |
| 19:34.18 | xingu | perlmonkey: lockup on ls? |
| 19:34.24 | Vasistha | wols_: oh, they don't need to be shot by anyone else; they'll end up shooting themselves in the foot eventually, anyway. |
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| 19:35.16 | spheard | Vasistha: thanks, thats the right syntax, imagemagick might need some tweaking tho :-( |
| 19:35.41 | perlmonkey | xingu: it locked up on dd, ls seems ok.. here is the server vmstat 1: http://pastebin.ca/534395 |
| 19:35.48 | RainCT | hi, can someone tell me in what repo camorama is please? (I don't use debian) |
| 19:35.49 | Vasistha | spheard: it might need to be told what input image format is being used, if it doesn't autodetect it |
| 19:35.52 | xyz123 | the updates are non-supervised as in im using adept and i take a quick look at its uggestions if they seem ok i let it continue... |
| 19:35.54 | perlmonkey | 75497472 bytes (75 MB) copied, 67.8802 seconds, 1.1 MB/s |
| 19:36.01 | Vasistha | !tell RainCT about pdo |
| 19:36.04 | wols_ | xyz123: your gcc-4.1 is gcc-4.1 (GCC) 4.1.3 20070601 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-11) |
| 19:36.22 | spheard | Vasistha: its doing it, just the images are very dark, well, some of them are some of them aren't |
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| 19:36.34 | wols_ | xyz123: try snapshot.debian.net if you can find the old 4.1.2 kernel |
| 19:36.40 | xyz123 | wols_, "gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070528 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-10)" |
| 19:36.40 | wols_ | if not you have to compile a new kernel |
| 19:36.45 | xingu | perlmonkey: something's not right; reboot client and server I'd suggest. |
| 19:36.49 | perlmonkey | (/usr/bin/time dd ibs=512k obs=512k if=/dev/zero of=/home/mythtv/file) |
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| 19:36.54 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 19:37.02 | RainCT | Vasistha: yes but I don't find where it is there (if it's main or whatever)? |
| 19:37.08 | wols_ | stupid dev named it 4.1.2 when it is actually a 4.1.3 prerelease |
| 19:37.09 | xingu | perlmonkey: all it would take would be one daemon listening on the wrong interface to seriously screw your test results |
| 19:37.12 | spheard | does anyone know of an app that can make a video out of loads of pictures? |
| 19:37.21 | Vasistha | spheard: ahh, well it may be that the image format used has an extremely high bit depth that is being scrunched in the jpg format |
| 19:37.22 | perlmonkey | best to reboot after a nic changeover eh |
| 19:37.27 | xingu | perlmonkey: thats why i was suggesting remapping the if names via udev, replugging, and rebooting |
| 19:37.33 | xyz123 | wols_, so i cant just redirect gcc with export CC=path then? |
| 19:37.35 | perlmonkey | nods |
| 19:37.40 | spheard | Vasistha: might be better with png then? |
| 19:37.42 | wols_ | xyz123: no |
| 19:37.51 | xingu | perlmonkey: but what you've done should be ok, just reboot server and client I think is best. |
| 19:37.58 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 19:38.01 | wols_ | xyz123: cause the gcc you used for the kernel (or debian used) is not on your system anymore. |
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| 19:38.12 | kiba_ | hello |
| 19:38.14 | Vasistha | spheard: not necessarily. you probably need to tune a bit to figure out how the data should be flattened |
| 19:38.18 | kiba_ | I got stuck in a program that I made |
| 19:38.34 | kiba_ | it got me into fullscreen mode and I can't quit because I forgot to add the quit button |
| 19:38.41 | xyz123 | wols_, thanks for your explination |
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| 19:39.09 | kiba_ | I can't access my console |
| 19:39.27 | kiba_ | I can't access anything |
| 19:39.40 | xand | alt-tab or ssh in and kill it. |
| 19:39.43 | xand | ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 19:39.46 | kiba_ | ah |
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| 19:39.54 | xingu | kiba_: chvt 1 |
| 19:40.12 | kiba_ | chvt 1? |
| 19:40.23 | Vasistha | spheard: I remember, for example, with some astronomy data (images taken with a telescope and camera) each pixel had an enormous range of values, and one had to figure out what the "brightest" and "darkest" cutoffs should be, so you took a subset of all possible values to be expanded to your entire greyspace |
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| 19:40.57 | izzyb_ | kiba_, if its a display issue in a shell you could try running reset also |
| 19:41.03 | izzyb_ | should reset your terminal settings onlyy |
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| 19:41.29 | izzyb_ | useful when you accedently cat a binary that garbles your screen too |
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| 19:41.59 | simonrvn | cat -v |
| 19:42.01 | spheard | Vasistha:........er, yeh, right on man! :-| |
| 19:42.43 | izzyb_ | simmerz, thanks for the tip re cat -v, didn't know that one ::) |
| 19:42.54 | Vasistha | spheard: heh, dunno if that made any sense :P it was a long time ago, and I forgot the proper terminology. |
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| 19:43.04 | spheard | Vasistha: I think you might have a point, everything is very dark, but on the lower quality locator images the colours are much better |
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| 19:43.19 | spheard | Vasistha:I got it (ish) |
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| 19:43.43 | xyz123 | wols_, one more or less quick way to fix this would be the following? boot into another kenel-image, dpkg --pugrge the old 2.6.18 and then apt-get install it again? That would mean the gcc version would be the the one used to compile 2.6.18. |
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| 19:44.37 | xingu | perlmonkey: everything come up ok? |
| 19:44.47 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 19:45.12 | perlmonkey | I think theres a prob with the raid tho |
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| 19:45.52 | xingu | perlmonkey: better to find out now I guess |
| 19:45.55 | perlmonkey | I noticed something about xfs when the server was booting |
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| 19:46.16 | shaula | 2.6.18-4-486 -->is this the latest kernel version for stable. in the last upgrade system restart requested but I am not sure if the latest image is installed. |
| 19:46.27 | xingu | perlmonkey: raidctl I think is the font of all wisdom |
| 19:46.33 | perlmonkey | Filesystem "md0": Disabling barriers, not supported by the underlying device |
| 19:46.36 | wols_ | xyz123: no |
| 19:46.42 | xyz123 | wols_, no? |
| 19:46.56 | xingu | perlmonkey: oh, don't let that bother you; it'll cost you some performance but it's to be expected |
| 19:46.59 | wols_ | xyz123: devs don't compile a new kernel evreytime gcc changes. especially not on sid |
| 19:47.03 | perlmonkey | ok phew |
| 19:47.21 | xingu | perlmonkey: only relatively recent transports do support barriers (sata/sas) correctly. |
| 19:47.32 | xingu | perlmonkey: now, on to the important stuff |
| 19:47.44 | xingu | perlmonkey: of course I want you to repeat and fish me up vmstat of the server end |
| 19:47.50 | xingu | perlmonkey: but you knew that already :) |
| 19:47.55 | perlmonkey | ok will do :) |
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| 19:48.22 | perlmonkey | grrr those damn port changes |
| 19:48.23 | xyz123 | wols_, but if i install a older kernel image then that gcc version would also need to be installed? |
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| 19:48.42 | xingu | perlmonkey: :) |
| 19:49.00 | xingu | perlmonkey: they're dynamically assigned, it's what the portmapper does |
| 19:49.04 | shaula | I cannot write DVDs since the latest upgrade. I suspect about the image it was to install :/ |
| 19:49.15 | perlmonkey | can't we stop it? |
| 19:49.29 | xingu | perlmonkey: is it mountd troubling you or something else? |
| 19:49.34 | perlmonkey | *mounted* |
| 19:49.41 | perlmonkey | ya mountd |
| 19:49.48 | xingu | perlmonkey: see -p option in manpage. |
| 19:49.59 | perlmonkey | ok thanks *makes note* |
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| 19:50.11 | xingu | perlmonkey: /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server:RPCMOUNTDOPTS |
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| 19:50.22 | wols_ | xyz123: yes. the gcc vresion from back then when the kernel was made |
| 19:50.29 | pbn | Hello, how can I see what keymap I am using at the console ? |
| 19:51.17 | xingu | pbn: the keymap doesn't really exist per se by the time it's loaded into the vty; you can dump the map with dumpkeys |
| 19:51.29 | xyz123 | wols_, yes but then that means my strategy would work? |
| 19:51.36 | xingu | pbn: but you can't reparse the structure back into a nice friendly filename. |
| 19:52.12 | perlmonkey | xingu: server vmstat 1: http://pastebin.ca/534452 (dd test 512k, system was unresponsive and hung again) |
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| 19:52.18 | piztek | is it possible to set a maximum visisble character amount for icons' text? |
| 19:52.41 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok check again client and server for errors in ifconfig |
| 19:52.41 | pbn | xingu: ah thank you... isn't there some kind of symlink somehere ? |
| 19:52.46 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 19:52.50 | xingu | perlmonkey: no need to repeat test, any errors >5 is enough to say there's a problem. |
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| 19:53.02 | Vasistha | piztek: "visible character amount" ??? |
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| 19:53.03 | xingu | pbn: nope; used to be, but /usr isn't mounted that early in init. |
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| 19:53.17 | piztek | Vasistha: yeah, like the amount of text shown |
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| 19:53.17 | xingu | pbn: /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 19:53.43 | piztek | like display 1 line, display 10 characters before "..." |
| 19:53.49 | pbn | xingu: thank you :) |
| 19:53.52 | Vasistha | piztek: this sounds like a question for #<your DE> |
| 19:53.57 | xingu | perlmonkey: that's a pretty healthy profile btw, I'd be happy with that *unless* your raid is currently restriping. |
| 19:53.59 | piztek | okay |
| 19:54.09 | perlmonkey | xingu: no errors on server, but some on client: RX packets:32091 errors:169 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:242 |
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| 19:54.18 | piztek | well Vasistha i want to say thank you for helping me on my linux journey |
| 19:54.21 | pbn | xingu: hmmm that file isn't a symlink .... |
| 19:54.35 | xingu | perlmonkey: so ok maybe pull that cable, wait, then replug it? |
| 19:54.36 | Vasistha | piztek: good luck |
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| 19:54.42 | Vasistha | piztek: and have fun! |
| 19:54.45 | xingu | perlmonkey: do both ends |
| 19:54.46 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 19:54.59 | piztek | i now have the knowledge to somewhat manage a linux system. the shutdown weren't anything short of agrivating but i learned from them |
| 19:55.02 | Azar | hmmm is dwm as bloated as kdm or gdm? |
| 19:55.11 | xingu | perlmonkey: also once you're through with that take a look at what speed mii-tool is reporting? |
| 19:55.21 | pbn | Azar: the less bloated is xdm |
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| 19:55.36 | Azar | pbn: thank you :) |
| 19:56.01 | Azar | so I guess nodm+openbox is a winner for me |
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| 19:56.56 | piztek | Vasistha: are there any more-popular irc chats than irc.freenode.net for gnome stuff |
| 19:57.09 | Vasistha | piztek: irc.gnome.org |
| 19:57.11 | xingu | perlmonkey: I'm noticing that your server interrupt rate is now down in the low 1000's which is expected and good; so modulo getting these ethernet errors sorted at the client end and you telling me that the raid is currently stable (not restriping) I think you're good... |
| 19:57.14 | ShakaGoldSaint | noob question, java is really really slow here, i'm using sun's java (i guess) on debian sid amd64 is there something i can do about that? |
| 19:57.28 | perlmonkey | cool |
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| 19:57.42 | Vasistha | ShakaGoldSaint: I kinda doubt it, java is kinda slow by nature |
| 19:57.53 | xingu | perlmonkey: do you know how to check the raid status? thats a quick win |
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| 19:58.36 | perlmonkey | mdadm --detail shows everything looking normal, clean |
| 19:58.44 | ShakaGoldSaint | Vasistha, yeah but is even slower here, it wasn't that slow back in my 32bits days |
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| 19:59.08 | spheard | Vasistha http://imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#modulate |
| 19:59.19 | spheard | Vasistha, no not that one |
| 19:59.20 | pbn | Azar: xdm + fluxbox is pretty decent with 128MB or even 64MB of RAM |
| 19:59.21 | Vasistha | ShakaGoldSaint: it may be because it's running in an emulated mode :P |
| 19:59.27 | xingu | perlmonkey: excellent; so barring some final jiggery with the client's cable.. how you getting on on that front? |
| 19:59.36 | spheard | Vasistha http://www.moonet.co.uk/snapshot9.png |
| 19:59.59 | perlmonkey | i unplugged the cable at both ends |
| 20:00.07 | perlmonkey | just checkin speed now |
| 20:00.23 | wols_ | perlmonkey: I wouldn't exepct a speed record... |
| 20:00.23 | xingu | you'll get fit before you're through here. :) |
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| 20:00.24 | ShakaGoldSaint | Vasistha, and how can i know that?, is it always has to be run in emulated mode in amd64? |
| 20:00.32 | piztek | yeah i'm back, that channel was dead |
| 20:00.42 | Azar | pbn: the only reason I use nodm is the nagging login screen at bootup |
| 20:00.43 | Vasistha | piztek: you sure didn't give it very long! |
| 20:00.51 | xingu | perlmonkey: I'm suspecting that maybe the nic and the hub can't train up properly after a short link flap |
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| 20:01.05 | xingu | perlmonkey: and they wind up disagreeing now about duplex |
| 20:01.06 | Vasistha | ShakaGoldSaint: I don't think sun has made a native 64-bit version yet. they're kinda slow. |
| 20:01.29 | piztek | Vasistha: i know, but it wasn't busy enough to stick around |
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| 20:01.34 | Vasistha | Azar: I use kde's auto-login feature :P |
| 20:01.59 | Vasistha | piztek: just put your question out there and let it sit there for 30 mins. someone will probably answer eventually. |
| 20:02.10 | perlmonkey | eth0: 100 Mbit, full duplex, link ok |
| 20:02.15 | Azar | Vasistha: kde is too bloated.. I like minimal and simplist functionality of my system |
| 20:02.18 | piztek | Vasistha: what de do you run? |
| 20:02.19 | xingu | yay |
| 20:02.22 | perlmonkey | :D |
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| 20:02.30 | perlmonkey | dd test again? |
| 20:02.35 | Vasistha | piztek: kde |
| 20:02.38 | xingu | yep, vmstat from server |
| 20:02.43 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 20:03.00 | piztek | Vasistha: what browser do you use on it? |
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| 20:03.12 | xingu | I'm not bothered about the client shell locking up for the duration of the copy; the remainder of the system should be responsive though |
| 20:03.26 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 20:03.28 | Vasistha | piztek: opera |
| 20:03.29 | xingu | an ls should come back quickly though |
| 20:03.31 | xingu | always |
| 20:03.45 | xingu | if not, transport or name services or packet filtering problem |
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| 20:04.03 | piztek | there needs to be a gnome-apps.org |
| 20:04.09 | perlmonkey | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/534495 |
| 20:04.19 | perlmonkey | 61865984 bytes (62 MB) copied, 35.2172 seconds, 1.8 MB/s |
| 20:04.28 | Vasistha | spheard: you might want to scour the imagemagick documentation regarding working with those special high-bit-depth greyscale images |
| 20:05.07 | xingu | perlmonkey: hmmm; check ethtool on the e100 nic on the server? make sure it's come up 100base? |
| 20:05.14 | tarzeau | justin! |
| 20:05.14 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 20:05.45 | xingu | perlmonkey: the profile is good, low interrupt rate at high bo count is what we want in general. |
| 20:05.47 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:06.03 | marc___ | hi, i have a macbook and i am wondering what needs to be done to make video-out working, because tomorrow i should give a presentation. |
| 20:06.07 | xingu | perlmonkey: does the client have rsize/wsize at 32k ? |
| 20:06.11 | xingu | perlmonkey: on the mount |
| 20:06.23 | xingu | perlmonkey: oh, and proto=tcp yadda. |
| 20:06.30 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.36 | spheard | Vasistha: got a fair bit to learn bout this :-) |
| 20:06.42 | xingu | perlmonkey: check /proc/mounts to be sure? |
| 20:06.48 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 20:07.06 | perlmonkey | 192.168.1.1:/home/media /home/mythtv nfs rw,vers=3,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,soft,intr,proto=tcp,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,addr=192.168.1.1 0 0 |
| 20:07.15 | Vasistha | !tell marc___ -about macbook |
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| 20:07.23 | xingu | perlmonkey: that's fine; so the only remaining check is look for climbing ethernet error count again |
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| 20:07.51 | xingu | perlmonkey: gotta scram, you know the drill here; you want throughput >3.4MB/s I think was the previous high point |
| 20:08.05 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 20:08.06 | xingu | perlmonkey: when you get it consistently, /msg me a link to the vmstat showing it? |
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| 20:08.14 | perlmonkey | eth0 on client shows more errors: errors:310 |
| 20:08.27 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 20:08.38 | xingu | perlmonkey: ok so that's where the problem is; maybe use mii-tool -r for good luck |
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| 20:09.05 | shadow_ | anyone else have problems with sid updates this morning? |
| 20:09.28 | xingu | perlmonkey: 1x ethernet error will halve straightline throughput |
| 20:09.30 | xingu | *gone* |
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| 20:09.43 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 20:09.56 | venom | :-/ buenas tardes |
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| 20:10.15 | titii | helo there |
| 20:10.39 | titii | wols_ helo |
| 20:10.50 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 20:10.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 20:11.27 | x_link | Is there somehow I can see what was upgraded the last time I did sudo aptitude upgrade? |
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| 20:11.46 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 20:12.11 | perlmonkey | 76728320 bytes sent in 89.29 secs (839.2 kB/s) |
| 20:12.15 | ribnitz | how od I get amarok to play mp3? (no decoder available, it says). I am on sid.. |
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| 20:12.35 | marc___ | !dpkg macbook |
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| 20:12.48 | Vasistha | marc___: /msg dpkg macbook |
| 20:12.50 | titii | can anybody helps, i am configuring the mailproc i am settings the .forward in user home folder, but if i send the email to this user, in tail -f /var/log/mail.info i have some error about relay=local, delay=2, status=bounced (cannot append message to destination file /var/www/e-cards-undelivered.php: cannot open file: Permission denied).. please help someone.. thanx |
| 20:13.06 | perlmonkey | this network is more temperamental than a woman at wrong time of the month |
| 20:13.12 | titii | maildrop sorry |
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| 20:14.16 | nvz | perlmonkey: yeah well they make medication for women at least |
| 20:14.16 | perlmonkey | hehe |
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| 20:14.16 | titii | i doknt now why i have permissions propblem, how to fix it? thanx |
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| 20:14.45 | Vasistha | titii: why would mailproc be attempting to modify /var/etc/e-cards-undelivered.php ? |
| 20:15.17 | titii | Vasistha maldrop. sorry |
| 20:15.28 | shadow_ | disconnect |
| 20:15.31 | shadow_ | oops |
| 20:15.36 | titii | i am setting this, to call the script /var/www/e-cards-undelivered.php |
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| 20:16.03 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 20:16.03 | yoshio | x_link: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 20:16.12 | Vasistha | titii: ahh, you want it to call that script. ls -l /var/www/e-cards* |
| 20:16.12 | Haris | How can I check what packages are currently installed? |
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| 20:16.20 | Vasistha | Haris: dpkg -l |
| 20:16.29 | nvz | Haris: dpkg -l | egrep ^.i | less |
| 20:16.30 | Vasistha | Haris: or dpkg --get-selections |
| 20:16.33 | x_link | yoshio: Yeah I found it. Thanks |
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| 20:16.40 | Haris | ..also how can I chekc if psa-qmail is part of debian's package list |
| 20:16.40 | titii | Vasistha yea i want to call it |
| 20:16.58 | nvz | Haris: apt-cache search |
| 20:17.02 | perlmonkey | 76728320 bytes sent in 35.56 secs (2107.4 kB/s) |
| 20:17.07 | perlmonkey | thats more like it |
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| 20:17.19 | perlmonkey | the problem is with the raid/xfs/nfs it seems |
| 20:17.25 | nvz | Haris: I doubt it though. I thought qmail was non-free by debian standards |
| 20:17.38 | Haris | nvz: psa = plesk |
| 20:17.53 | venom | como puedo eliminar los paquetes que tengo rotos automaticamente en debian etch.? |
| 20:17.55 | Haris | apt-cache search ? |
| 20:18.03 | nvz | venom: #debian-es por favor |
| 20:18.21 | Haris | What does por favor mean? |
| 20:18.24 | venom | nvz, ok |
| 20:18.30 | nvz | Haris: means please |
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| 20:19.06 | Vasistha | titii: honestly, I have no idea if maildrop can execute a php script |
| 20:20.55 | Haris | I ran a apt-cache search psa* |more. Did it give me the whole list or just what I wanted? |
| 20:20.56 | nvz | literally por means by, and favor well means favor.. heh |
| 20:21.09 | Haris | hmm.. |
| 20:21.22 | Haris | I heard it in the old tv show "Mind your language" |
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| 20:21.28 | Haris | Didn' know what it meant |
| 20:21.34 | nvz | but its more commonly understood in english as "please" rather than "by favor" |
| 20:21.35 | Haris | Didn't |
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| 20:22.49 | nvz | I'm glad I know that.. cause last night I thought I lost my mind for good.. seems I'm back to normal or as close as I'll ever be |
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| 20:23.50 | nvz | I guess I fell asleep before I had a chance to work myself up to a mental breakdown |
| 20:23.52 | x_link | Something I updated/upgraded today has done so I can't use Beryl. |
| 20:23.57 | x_link | Really don't understand what it can be. |
| 20:24.25 | Tricore | How do I get debian to boot up with ALSA (like it's working after I've run alsaconf) and without resetting my volume levels from alsamixer ? |
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| 20:24.57 | titii | Vasistha i think it cant |
| 20:25.00 | nvz | alsamixer should load/save settings automatically with its init script |
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| 20:25.26 | Tricore | Could it be that I'm missing the init script then ? |
| 20:25.48 | Vasistha | titii: well, sounds like that's your problem. |
| 20:25.50 | nvz | Tricore: what is the problem? alsa isnt loading, or the mixer is just muted, a 0% when you boot? |
| 20:25.53 | titii | Vasistha but the email return to me with an error cannot append message to destination file, /var/www/e-cards-undelivered.php: cannot open file: Permission denied |
| 20:26.25 | titii | Vasistha what tha f... what permissions i have to set? |
| 20:26.29 | perlmonkey | umount /dev/md0 /home/media: device is busy.. how to stop it being busy? |
| 20:26.30 | Vasistha | titii: I'm not sure what's going on there, but maybe the "destination file" to append has not been specified? |
| 20:26.40 | Tricore | Well, when I boot I have no sound. alsamixer has the wrong soundcard (the onboard, not the PCI card i use), so I have to do alsaconf to make it work and then I have to put it on analog in alsamixer and turn up the volume levels |
| 20:27.00 | Vasistha | titii: I would tell you if I was not concerned that you are going to bork your system by changing permissions! |
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| 20:27.23 | frank | Tricore: what alsa packages do you have installed? |
| 20:27.27 | nvz | Tricore: ah, so you have two soundcards. and you dont wish to use the onboard one? |
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| 20:27.32 | Tricore | Yeah. |
| 20:27.45 | nvz | it works fine for me.. I started using this SB Live PCI card instead of my onboard |
| 20:27.55 | nvz | all I did was run alsaconf |
| 20:27.55 | titii | Vasistha how specified? but it exists, but what permissions? i tryed ,, the ovener is like the email user where is email sended |
| 20:28.10 | Tricore | well I run alsaconf, but when i reboot I have to do it again |
| 20:28.16 | Tricore | *ran |
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| 20:28.58 | x_link | Tricore: It's like that for me as well. |
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| 20:29.01 | x_link | It SUCKS. |
| 20:29.01 | nvz | Tricore: hmm pastebin your /etc/modules and /var/log/dmesg might help us figure out where the problem is |
| 20:29.02 | perlmonkey | mdadm: fail to stop array /dev/md0: Device or resource busy how to stop it? |
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| 20:29.42 | Tricore | # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time. |
| 20:29.43 | Tricore | # |
| 20:29.43 | Tricore | # This file contains the names of kernel modules that should be loaded |
| 20:29.43 | Tricore | # at boot time, one per line. Lines beginning with "#" are ignored. |
| 20:29.43 | Tricore | loop |
| 20:29.43 | Tricore | sbp2 |
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| 20:29.50 | frank | Tricore: do you got alsa-base installed? |
| 20:29.54 | jelly-home | !paster |
| 20:29.54 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:29.59 | perlmonkey | root@server:/# umount /dev/md0 umount: /home/media: device is busy --- how to umount it? |
| 20:30.15 | Vasistha | titii: it seems to me that maildrop should not be either modifying or running, or having anything to do with, a php file. Why would it? Why should maildrop even *read* a php file, let alone execute or write to it? |
| 20:30.16 | nvz | jelly-home: might wanna wait until he comes back |
| 20:30.26 | jelly-home | nvz: oops |
| 20:30.29 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:30.39 | nvz | IF he comes back |
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| 20:31.00 | frank | Tricore: do you got alsa-base installed? |
| 20:31.05 | titii | Vasistha but if i run this script from cmd, with that user logged, it works , and php script is executed |
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| 20:31.20 | Tricore | Got, kicked for pasting so I might've missed a couple of messages... |
| 20:31.24 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: use fuser and/or lsof to figure out which process is still referencing it, then terminate that process |
| 20:31.25 | Tricore | But yeah I have alsa-base installed |
| 20:31.31 | x_link | frank: Do you have to have alsa-base installed as well for alsaconf to work? |
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| 20:31.31 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 20:31.39 | nvz | Tricore: you missed the part where I said use a pastebin apparently :P |
| 20:31.48 | x_link | It was like this once before for me as well, now it started again. That I have to run alsaconf everytime I reboot. |
| 20:31.50 | Vasistha | titii: well, you never told me what the ls -l result was for that php file |
| 20:31.56 | jelly-home | !tell Tricore -about paster |
| 20:31.58 | nvz | You can assume he has the alsa packages if he has alsamixer and alsaconf |
| 20:32.09 | frank | x_link: alsa-base got the init-script which cares about volumes (alsactl store on shutdown) |
| 20:32.35 | revil | hello guys!! I have debian etch and I just installed gcc-2.95 along with my normal 4.1 one. I can find gcc-2.95 on my path, but there seems to be no equivalent of g++-2.95 anywhere... Where should I look? |
| 20:32.43 | nvz | I've also been led to believe that its one of his init scripts loading his onboard sound card and not his pci one.. which is why I requested /etc/modules and /var/log/dmesg |
| 20:32.50 | biopyte | hi. virtualization. i'd like to install debian on a thinkbad and keep the preinstalled windoos partition. how can i use this preinstalled windoos in a virtualized environment?. xen, vm ... the virtualziation system will be used rather rarely. |
| 20:32.53 | titii | Vasistha -rwxrwxr-x 1 www www 138 2007-06-03 22:11 /var/www/e-cards-undelivered.php |
| 20:33.12 | titii | but it seems like another user is an owner |
| 20:33.19 | biopyte | i'm an absolute beginner to virt. |
| 20:33.23 | x_link | frank: Okej, when I run alsaconf it configures "snd-emu10k1". Should I add that filename to /etc/modules? |
| 20:33.31 | frank | if you have two soundcards you can specify indexes in /etc/modprobe.d/sound for the cards |
| 20:33.32 | x_link | Maybe that will help, so I don't have to run alsaconf everytime I reboot? |
| 20:33.36 | Tricore | which files should I paste again ? |
| 20:33.43 | frank | x_link: no |
| 20:33.47 | x_link | OKej. |
| 20:33.52 | x_link | What should I do then? |
| 20:33.58 | frank | !paste |
| 20:33.58 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 20:33.58 | x_link | Should I install alsa-base? |
| 20:34.02 | perlmonkey | nothing using it :-/ |
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| 20:34.21 | jelly-home | biopyte: a prequisite could be to create a second hardware profile in windows, and use that one when booting in a vm. |
| 20:34.26 | Vasistha | titii: well, it's executable by everyone. how about ls -ld /var/www |
| 20:34.42 | coz_ | hello I have a guy I am helping on anothe channel and his beryl is notworking after system uypdate is there a command to list the last known updates on the system? |
| 20:34.52 | valdyn | x_link: is udev or hotplug installed? |
| 20:34.53 | frank | x_link: do you got a init-script that does alsactl srore stuff? |
| 20:34.53 | jelly-home | biopyte: how to use the physical disk (or just the windows partition) |
| 20:34.56 | jelly-home | err |
| 20:34.56 | titii | Vasistha there is drwxrwxrwx 14 www root 4096 2007-06-03 21:13 /var/www |
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| 20:35.00 | Vasistha | coz_: well, there's /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 20:35.04 | biopyte | jelly-home: so you recommend 'vm' |
| 20:35.05 | biopyte | ? |
| 20:35.11 | coz_ | Vasistha, thanks :) |
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| 20:35.16 | jelly-home | biopyte: ... can probably be found in the virtualization software docs |
| 20:35.16 | Tricore | What files should I copy-paste ? |
| 20:35.42 | jelly-home | biopyte: no, vm is just shorthand for the virtualized machine |
| 20:35.45 | Vasistha | titii: alright, so as expected, there is no restriction on accessing /var/www ... uhm, the other thing that comes to mind is executing php ... there's going to be a php interpreter executable, but I'm not sure what that is |
| 20:36.03 | biopyte | jelly-home: perfect case would be if I launch and kill windows like any other app in linux. |
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| 20:36.39 | x_link | frank: No I don't, well i don't think so. |
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| 20:36.47 | x_link | I didn't need this stuff either before. |
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| 20:36.53 | x_link | It worked well before. |
| 20:37.01 | x_link | valdyn: I don't think so. |
| 20:37.25 | biopyte | jelly-home: dont need a dual system windoos/linux running all the time. |
| 20:37.30 | titii | Vasistha hey but the owner of that script is www, but the user of an email address to execute tha tscript is ecardsundelivered |
| 20:37.33 | Old_Fogie | Hi all, I'm a bit confused on something. The package "celestia" is shown in apt repo "unstable". Can that be put into debain 4.0ro? or would that hurt me? I was going to try cvs..but can't get it to work with cervisa :( |
| 20:37.33 | valdyn | x_link: if you dont have a hardware 'detection' mechanism of some kind isntalled, you need to add that module to /etc/modules |
| 20:37.37 | jelly-home | biopyte: I use vmware-server myself, possibly xen or kvm would provide better performance. I'm not sure that windows works in xen, though |
| 20:37.39 | biopyte | jelly-home:thanks |
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| 20:37.55 | wols_ | Old_Fogie: it will hurt you sooner or later |
| 20:38.00 | en1gma | sup all |
| 20:38.03 | Old_Fogie | wols_, ok |
| 20:38.03 | wols_ | Old_Fogie: use a backport or a simple sid backport |
| 20:38.06 | titii | Vasistha in that php script is just one mail func, to indicate that sript runs |
| 20:38.12 | biopyte | jelly-home: are u happy with vmware-server |
| 20:38.19 | Old_Fogie | "simple sid" ? :D |
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| 20:38.24 | jelly-home | biopyte: it works |
| 20:38.43 | en1gma | im in windows right now and was wondering how do i look in testing to see the latest available amd64 kernel |
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| 20:38.53 | jelly-home | biopyte: I have xp on a virtual disk though |
| 20:38.55 | x_link | valdyn: Which module? |
| 20:39.04 | x_link | snd-emu10k1? |
| 20:39.09 | valdyn | x_link: yes |
| 20:39.35 | Vasistha | !tell Old_Fogie about simple sid backport |
| 20:39.37 | x_link | ok |
| 20:39.41 | biopyte | jelly-home: can you switch windows on and off during a vm session? or once started it is running all the time .. eating resources? |
| 20:39.48 | x_link | I will add snd-emu10k1 to /etc/modules now. |
| 20:40.07 | valdyn | biopyte: you cant just migrate your preexisting windows installation to new hardware |
| 20:40.15 | en1gma | is there a way to search testing/sid repos from windows |
| 20:40.22 | x_link | valdyn: I will add it at the end of /etc/modules |
| 20:40.24 | valdyn | biopyte: and a virtualised system is new hardware in that sense, that's a limitation of windows |
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| 20:40.47 | frank | x_link: if you have udev you normally don't need that |
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| 20:41.02 | valdyn | x_link: sure, it does not hurt in any case |
| 20:41.02 | Vasistha | !tell en1gma -about pdo |
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| 20:41.24 | biopyte | vadyn: do you want to say that i cant virtualize a preexisting windoos partition but have to make a reinstall? |
| 20:41.28 | en1gma | Vasistha thanks |
| 20:41.33 | Old_Fogie | is there a noob guide for adding these repo's for backport or side backport? |
| 20:41.47 | valdyn | biopyte: yes, most likely that will be the case |
| 20:41.50 | x_link | frank: I don't know what udev is, so I doubt that I have it. |
| 20:41.50 | titii | Vasistha i have a new error: /var/www/e-cards-undelivered.php: destination file is executable |
| 20:41.56 | Vasistha | !tell Old_Fogie about sources.list |
| 20:42.04 | frank | Old_Fogie: look at the install instruction on bpo |
| 20:42.21 | Old_Fogie | bpo=backports? |
| 20:42.24 | biopyte | valdyn: i see. then i probably leave it. too much trouble. not worth it. |
| 20:42.31 | valdyn | biopyte: heck you might even possibly have to call their phone support because activation might not work anymore |
| 20:42.44 | biopyte | valdyn: i see |
| 20:43.02 | titii | Vasistha cannot append message to destination file /var/www/e-cards-undelivered.php: destination file is executable |
| 20:43.25 | x_link | valdyn: I hope that this will help =) |
| 20:43.29 | valdyn | biopyte: using wine where it works is easier |
| 20:43.31 | x_link | valdyn: Thanks for your help |
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| 20:43.35 | x_link | frank: Thanks for your help. |
| 20:43.39 | x_link | I really appreicate it guys. |
| 20:43.40 | valdyn | x_link: hope so too, welcome |
| 20:43.47 | x_link | ;) |
| 20:43.56 | x_link | Pretty annoying to run "sudo alsaconf" everytime. |
| 20:44.04 | biopyte | valdyn: just thought it would be cool to start that damned windows from within linux, once needed, and turn it off again. like any other app. using that preinstalled wind-partition on the notebook. anyway, not so important. |
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| 20:44.26 | biopyte | valdyn: thanks for info |
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| 20:44.59 | Vasistha | titii: yeah, I would expect that php files should not be executable |
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| 20:45.28 | Old_Fogie | I dunno I'll go post on linuxquestions bye all. |
| 20:45.50 | jelly-home | valdyn: I find using wine to be harder than just firing up vmware where any random windows app just works |
| 20:46.00 | titii | Vasistha huh? but it write also destination file is executable, so i dont understand, but ok, what i have to do? can you help ? |
| 20:46.11 | Vasistha | titii: I really have no idea |
| 20:46.26 | titii | Vasistha omg |
| 20:46.44 | Vasistha | titii: if you want help, it'd probably be good to pastebin your script, or config file, or whatever |
| 20:47.07 | valdyn | jelly-home: right, but biopyte didnt want to reinstall windows |
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| 20:47.37 | titii | Vasistha but i can try to give that php script chmod 777 |
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| 20:47.46 | biopyte | jelly-home: i mean, it would be cool anyway. just launching windows in a virtual machine as an app on your virtual desktop. do what has to be done and then kill it. somebody should program this. ;) |
| 20:47.55 | Vasistha | titii: at least make it 775 |
| 20:48.16 | valdyn | biopyte: that works fine, just not with your current windows install |
| 20:48.17 | Vasistha | titii: 777 is just a bad idea for a regular file |
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| 20:48.32 | en1gma | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages does not list "linux-image-2.6.21" |
| 20:48.44 | valdyn | biopyte: that's a more or less intentional crippling by microsoft, not lack of someone writing the app |
| 20:49.19 | en1gma | where can i look to see the latest kernel that are in testing/sid |
| 20:49.20 | biopyte | valdyn: really? just for interest (put aside the installation issue). what virtualization systems comes closest to this scenario ... vmware, xen? |
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| 20:49.49 | titii | Vasistha still the same, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced (cannot append message to destination file /var/www/e-cards-undelivered.php: destination file is executable) |
| 20:49.58 | jelly-home | biopyte: running the same windows on real hardware and in a vm could be funny. Well, xp has hardware profiles that _might_ help, that's why I suggested adding a separate hw profile (to be used for vm) as first thing to do |
| 20:50.05 | tarzeau | anyone feel like teaching something? http://www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ |
| 20:50.29 | en1gma | i would like to see what the latest kernel for amd64 is in testing.sid |
| 20:50.32 | jelly-home | tarzeau: teaching whom? |
| 20:50.45 | tarzeau | jelly-home: people in here, for example. depends what you want to teach (but on irc) |
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| 20:51.10 | Vasistha | en1gma: huh? maybe do a pdo search for linux-image-2.6-<arch> |
| 20:51.19 | biopyte | jelly-home: i see |
| 20:51.27 | Vasistha | titii: like I said, pastebin your config |
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| 20:51.50 | en1gma | the arch is always smaller then the latest |
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| 20:52.21 | plugwash | /bin/sh: ../depcomp: No such file or directory <--anyone any idea what might cause that when building a program on amd64? |
| 20:52.22 | titii | Vasistha i found one maybe help, "Make sure that /var/..myfile is owned by mailman user (this may be done by executing postalias as mailman userid)." but what user is my mailman, or mailuser? |
| 20:52.25 | Vasistha | en1gma: then just do a pdo search for linux-image-2.6 |
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| 20:52.46 | Vasistha | titii: I dunno. look in /etc/passwd |
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| 20:53.12 | en1gma | Vasistha http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image-2.6-amd64&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all <<<<all are only showing 2.6.18 |
| 20:53.21 | en1gma | and i know for sure there is at least 2.6.21 |
| 20:53.26 | en1gma | cause i have it |
| 20:53.33 | Vasistha | en1gma: well, that's because you have version=testing in your query |
| 20:53.43 | titii | Vasistha but who would be the owner? not that user, where is the mail sended? |
| 20:53.45 | en1gma | testing is sid |
| 20:54.00 | en1gma | i thought* |
| 20:54.05 | Vasistha | en1gma: no it's not. sid is unstable. sid is always unstable. right now, lenny is testing. |
| 20:54.22 | en1gma | oh thats right |
| 20:54.23 | en1gma | sorry |
| 20:54.41 | en1gma | damn it i must have had a brain fart |
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| 20:55.06 | jelly-home | en1gma: not "linux-image-2.6-amd64", just "linux-image-2.6" |
| 20:55.32 | en1gma | yes it shows fine i was just looking in the wrong catagory |
| 20:55.34 | en1gma | thanks |
| 20:56.17 | ArkoldThos | someone is having troubles releated to minimize, maximise videos under sid? |
| 20:56.26 | Vasistha | just ask your question. |
| 20:56.28 | ArkoldThos | (xorg, any graphical environment) |
| 20:56.49 | en1gma | but i do have kind of a good question....could someone add to this explanation of "nvidiafb" it is the "free" nvidia driver that the linux community gets to work on and is only used in the console text-mode and in 2d desktop in X? |
| 20:57.25 | en1gma | ArkoldThos yea i have same problems with minimizing and maximizing |
| 20:57.38 | en1gma | get wierd graphics corruption |
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| 20:57.45 | ArkoldThos | yup :S |
| 20:58.35 | ArkoldThos | what graphic driver are you using? |
| 20:58.35 | en1gma | only on maximizing or dragging corners to make larger |
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| 20:58.36 | x_link | hrmm |
| 20:58.36 | ArkoldThos | yup, that :P |
| 20:58.36 | en1gma | im using the nvidia binary driver 100.14.06 i think |
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| 20:58.36 | sphear1 | how do I do one page at a time with ls? |
| 20:58.36 | ArkoldThos | or making it fullscreen |
| 20:58.37 | en1gma | correct |
| 20:58.37 | ArkoldThos | wtf :S i use xserver-xorg-via |
| 20:58.38 | ArkoldThos | weird :S |
| 20:58.38 | x_link | /var/log/dpkg doesn't show anything of what was upgraded the last time I ran sudo aptitude upgrade. |
| 20:58.38 | ArkoldThos | wierd* |
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| 20:58.48 | en1gma | i know i hope it gets fixed soon |
| 20:58.58 | x_link | Something messed up my Beryl totaly anyway. And I don't know what to do since I don't know what was updated/upgraded |
| 20:59.03 | TrueDD | re |
| 20:59.17 | ArkoldThos | en1gma, me too |
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| 20:59.23 | ArkoldThos | but i don't know if the issue is already reported |
| 20:59.29 | en1gma | what about that question i asked about "nvidiafb" is that a good enough explanation or can someone add to it |
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| 21:00.09 | ArkoldThos | im seeing a libsmpeg0 update, maybe it can be releated to the issue |
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| 21:00.40 | en1gma | ArkoldThos i was reading the changelogs at kernel.org for kernel 2.6.21 and up and the nvidiafb has been worked on ALOT |
| 21:00.49 | en1gma | i might just build a new kernel |
| 21:00.59 | wols_ | en1gma: it's a framebuffer driver. not for X |
| 21:01.17 | ArkoldThos | well, i dont have any nvidia thingy here |
| 21:01.17 | ArkoldThos | :S |
| 21:01.19 | en1gma | oh so thats only when not X is running |
| 21:01.20 | wols_ | and I am not sure if it works in conjunction with nvidias driver eevn |
| 21:01.35 | x_link | hrmm |
| 21:01.36 | en1gma | i thought the framebuffer driver worked in X until we went into 3d |
| 21:01.37 | wols_ | it's for console. no matter if X runs or not |
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| 21:01.50 | x_link | I don't find the download file for Debian Testing on debian.org |
| 21:01.53 | wols_ | you never think. you ASSume |
| 21:02.00 | wols_ | !d-i |
| 21:02.01 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 21:02.07 | wols_ | x_link: the devel one |
| 21:02.07 | en1gma | actually no i didnt even assume or think |
| 21:02.15 | en1gma | that is why i asked my Q about it |
| 21:02.23 | en1gma | <en1gma> but i do have kind of a good question....could someone add to this explanation of "nvidiafb" it is the "free" nvidia driver that the linux community gets to work on and is only used in the console text-mode and in 2d desktop in X? |
| 21:02.28 | en1gma | so dont be a PRICK |
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| 21:02.35 | x_link | wols_: Could you give me a link? |
| 21:02.41 | axos88 | Can anyone tell me where would U-boot questions be on-topic? Because #U-boot is almost empty |
| 21:03.07 | x_link | wols_: That was for Etch. |
| 21:03.13 | Vasistha | axos88: just put your question out there and go have lunch, come back and maybe someone will have answered in a couple hours |
| 21:03.29 | sphear1 | Ive got about a thousand image files in a sequence but some of the numbers are missing :-| is there any way I can process the file names to make them 0001, 0002, 0003 etc? |
| 21:03.37 | nacho__ | I can't see .php files in my server Apache2. When I try, browser tell me about save the file. I have installed Wordpress and all depends. What's the problem? can anybody help me? |
| 21:03.42 | x_link | Ohh "the devel one" |
| 21:03.46 | Vasistha | sphear1: you mean, like, batch renaming them? |
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| 21:04.24 | Vasistha | nacho__: are you using http:// or file:// |
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| 21:04.39 | titii | i created the email alias in the /etc/aliases, how to make it real? i mean there is some command |
| 21:04.50 | nacho__ | well. file:/// because I'm trying to configure WOrdpress |
| 21:05.03 | x_link | wols_: Thanks alot! |
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| 21:05.11 | en1gma | i used to get into X without installing any nvidia binary driver in slackware |
| 21:05.16 | nacho__ | linked from /usr/share/wordpress/readme.html |
| 21:05.18 | Vasistha | nacho__: file:// does not use apache, so php files will not be interpreted. |
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| 21:05.38 | nacho__ | ok, then? |
| 21:05.39 | en1gma | so that would mean it used rivafb or nvidiafb |
| 21:05.49 | Vasistha | nacho__: use http:// if you want to view php files |
| 21:05.49 | nacho__ | Wordpress isn't configured |
| 21:05.57 | wols_ | titii: postmap (postfix) |
| 21:06.05 | nacho__ | I can't do it because the file is a php file |
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| 21:06.23 | wols_ | en1gma: and you can do the same in debian |
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| 21:06.24 | Vasistha | nacho__: maybe you want to edit it in an editor? |
| 21:06.41 | pm2 | Does Debian have a tool for managing the order in which services start at boot time? I could just change the name of the files in /etc/rcX.d, but I was wondering if there's a debian way... |
| 21:06.58 | nacho__ | but ... is this the right way? |
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| 21:07.02 | karsten | pm2: sysvinit |
| 21:07.10 | titii | wols_ no, thats not .. another way, it is some cammand, i cant remember |
| 21:07.17 | nacho__ | trying ... |
| 21:07.18 | en1gma | slackware didnt have a package manager that had precompiled binaries like debian...that is why im saying how was this possible if nvidiafb or rivafb is only made for "CONSOLE-TEXT mode" |
| 21:07.20 | Vasistha | nacho__: honestly, I don't really know anything about wordpress. |
| 21:07.25 | x_link | Where can I find the aptitude history? |
| 21:07.32 | pm2 | karsten, ? |
| 21:07.42 | nacho__ | XD, ok |
| 21:07.43 | wols_ | titii: that is the command I use. and I know it's the right one. what MTA do you use? |
| 21:07.50 | Azar | x_link: /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README file |
| 21:07.50 | Vasistha | nacho__: what I do know is that file:///var/www/somefile.php is not going to be interpreted by apache |
| 21:07.52 | karsten | pm2: also upstart. update-rc.d is the way to change / enable / disable startup orders, preferred over just renaming symlinks in the rc#.d/ directories. |
| 21:07.55 | bluesceada | hm |
| 21:07.55 | wols_ | x_link: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 21:08.03 | bluesceada | how can i setup varlog-ng in debian |
| 21:08.07 | bluesceada | ehm |
| 21:08.07 | titii | HOW TO CREATE THE MAIL ALIAS, I UPDATE THE /ETC/ALIASES, and now? |
| 21:08.08 | bluesceada | syslog-ng |
| 21:08.08 | bluesceada | sry |
| 21:08.09 | karsten | pm2: What specific services / processes do you want to advance/retard? |
| 21:08.10 | Azar | ah history.. |
| 21:08.12 | karsten | bluesceada: Install it? |
| 21:08.18 | sphear1 | Vasistha: exactly, Im using $ls > imagelist |
| 21:08.21 | karsten | titii: HOW TO DISABLE CAPSLOCK KEY???!!! |
| 21:08.24 | bluesceada | karsten: yeh but switch over from syslog |
| 21:08.26 | x_link | wols_: Oej, Cause I want to see what I have upgraded today. Cause something totaly messed up Beryl today so that I can't use it. |
| 21:08.33 | justin | tarzeau: wrong justin |
| 21:08.37 | karsten | bluesceada: Check package deps. Do they conflict? |
| 21:08.39 | wols_ | x_link: updated the kernel? |
| 21:08.41 | pm2 | karsten, ah - update-rc.d - that's the one. I guess I need to make slapd start earlier, as I use libnss-ldap, and I was getting warnings about it not being able to connect to the LDAP server |
| 21:08.42 | titii | karsten omg helps me |
| 21:08.43 | x_link | It gets loaded etc. But I can't open any programs or anything else when it's running. |
| 21:08.43 | en1gma | wols_ how is it possible that i got into X with no binary driver from ati/nvidia |
| 21:08.52 | wols_ | en1gma: nv, vesa |
| 21:08.53 | titii | help me |
| 21:08.58 | wols_ | titii: fuck off |
| 21:09.00 | bluesceada | karsten: they have to conflict, i just want syslog-ng because of laptop mode advantages |
| 21:09.09 | bluesceada | so i dont have to make syslog not sync at all during battery |
| 21:09.12 | en1gma | is nv a "free" driver? |
| 21:09.12 | titii | wols_ :(((((( |
| 21:09.12 | x_link | wols_: And when I want to write something in irssi or in a konsole I must first write the letters, then press Enter and then press the left mouse button to be able to see what I have written. |
| 21:09.17 | wols_ | en1gma: yes |
| 21:09.18 | x_link | wols_: Should I upgrade the kernel? |
| 21:09.21 | titii | wols_ thank you |
| 21:09.22 | tarzeau | justin: k |
| 21:09.23 | karsten | titii: Check your MTA docs. Some of 'em just read the aliases file straight. Others (sendmail-derived) you need to run an update aliases script. |
| 21:09.24 | x_link | wols_: I use 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 21:09.31 | wols_ | x_link: wow |
| 21:09.40 | karsten | bluesceada: apt-cache show <packagename>. Check deps. |
| 21:09.48 | wols_ | x_link: no you should not. but kernel upgrades often break the drivers needed for beryl |
| 21:09.50 | karsten | bluesceada: You can do it, or I can do it and read it back to you. |
| 21:09.52 | Vasistha | sphear1: j=1; for i in *; do echo mv -i $i $(printf '%04d' $j); ((j++)); done |
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| 21:10.07 | x_link | wols_: I re-installed Debian Testing. Didn't help. |
| 21:10.12 | bluesceada | karsten: eh sry.. of course, i just wanted to know if there is some special think i have to be aware of |
| 21:10.14 | bluesceada | seems not, thanks |
| 21:10.27 | x_link | wols_: Is there anything I can do to "undo" my lastest sudo aptitude update and sudo aptitude upgrade? |
| 21:10.40 | en1gma | "nvidia" is probably better to use then "nv" for X so even if we see updates to "nv" in kernel.org`s changelogs we should prob just ignore em.....what part of the changelogs would influence the "nvidia" binary driver |
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| 21:11.06 | karsten | x_link: Not really. You can check /var/log/aptitude to see what was installed/uninstalled/updated. In general Debian's APT doesn't support rollbacks. |
| 21:11.08 | wols_ | !tell x_link about downgrade |
| 21:11.21 | wols_ | x_link: reinstall NEVER helps. not even on windows |
| 21:11.21 | jetscreamer | !init |
| 21:11.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, init is the init daemon |
| 21:11.43 | jetscreamer | what do you do when 'it' can't 'find' init |
| 21:11.44 | x_link | wols_: I once re-installed the nvidia driver and it helped ;D |
| 21:11.49 | x_link | karsten: Okej |
| 21:11.51 | wols_ | en1gma: the GPL symbol ones. they break the nvidia drivers |
| 21:12.05 | wols_ | x_link: OS reinstall != driver reinstall |
| 21:12.07 | jetscreamer | paravirt_ops |
| 21:12.09 | jetscreamer | but |
| 21:12.13 | jetscreamer | it's been de-gpl'd or so |
| 21:12.18 | wols_ | x_link: and if you had used only debian packages. even that wouldn't be necessary :) |
| 21:12.19 | jetscreamer | de-gpl-only'd |
| 21:12.33 | jetscreamer | what do you do when 'it' can't 'find' init |
| 21:12.33 | wols_ | jetscreamer: apparently 2.6.22 doesn't work with nvidia or so I heard |
| 21:12.44 | jetscreamer | no idea haven't tried it |
| 21:12.48 | wols_ | jetscreamer: look at your menu.lst very hard |
| 21:13.03 | wols_ | and if that doesn't help you kick yourself for borking the kernel compile |
| 21:13.05 | neosmatrix | he someone knows where kde saves the specific rules for mounting devices like usb harddisks ? |
| 21:13.27 | Vasistha | neosmatrix: ask #kde |
| 21:13.32 | jetscreamer | wols_: it's not the menu.lst... :o ... heh even worse.... i took an ubuntu install and gave it debian sources and did dist-upgrade just to see what would happen |
| 21:13.33 | titii | That command is newaliases you loosers, sorry |
| 21:13.39 | neosmatrix | k |
| 21:13.59 | karsten | neosmatrix: ~/.kde/mumble |
| 21:14.00 | jetscreamer | works fine cept for the init |
| 21:14.21 | sphear1 | Vasistha: thanks |
| 21:14.39 | wols_ | !lart jetscreamer |
| 21:14.52 | en1gma | wols_ if i was to build my own kernel i would want nvidiafb not to be built at all would i? i would only want vesa checked on? |
| 21:15.01 | en1gma | sinc ei use the "nviida" driver |
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| 21:15.10 | wols_ | en1gma: afaik yes. but I never use fb so I'm not suire |
| 21:15.18 | en1gma | ok thanks |
| 21:15.32 | wols_ | debian kernels compile it m |
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| 21:15.49 | en1gma | ahh thats why i always see it in lsmod when in console |
| 21:16.16 | en1gma | i should do a force "vga=vesa" or something |
| 21:16.23 | jetscreamer | no nvidia does not like nvidiafb... cept for old old cards |
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| 21:16.46 | jetscreamer | vesafb16 or whatever works |
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| 21:17.06 | jetscreamer | vga=normal you mean |
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| 21:17.45 | StucKman | hi all. I'm replacing an old slack with etch, and I need something that replaces webadmin. is there anything? |
| 21:17.48 | jetscreamer | so what controls the pointer to 'init' (as in /bin/bash) what file do i edit or whatever |
| 21:17.48 | en1gma | im kind of remembering that now...i used ati with liunux for a few years before i picked up this card so its prob been 4-5years from now that i messed with nvidiafb and "nvidia" in linux but i do remember them conflicting with eachother come to think of it |
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| 21:18.31 | en1gma | i used kanotix live cd and it had a cheat code of vga=vesa oh wait it was xmodule=vesa |
| 21:18.39 | jetscreamer | nvidiafb actually 'works', if you wanna call it that... works like crap |
| 21:18.45 | en1gma | vga=ask xmodule=vesa |
| 21:18.53 | jetscreamer | you can do xmodule=nv btw |
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| 21:19.11 | jetscreamer | i 'think' you can do nvidia also but not sure |
| 21:19.17 | en1gma | how good is the nv module in X? is it as good as "nvidia"? |
| 21:19.34 | jetscreamer | i found specifying xvrefresh and xhrefresh or whatever helps kanotix a lot |
| 21:19.41 | jetscreamer | it's fine cept no 3d |
| 21:19.46 | jetscreamer | well software 3d rather |
| 21:19.52 | en1gma | im in debian now (finally got out of live cds) :) |
| 21:20.33 | jetscreamer | you can compile your own kernel and remove paravirt_ops and nvidia wil build btw |
| 21:20.47 | jetscreamer | not sure about .22 |
| 21:20.50 | en1gma | i sue the amd64 kernel and dont have to worry bout that |
| 21:21.05 | jetscreamer | ah there are seperate 64bit kernel issues |
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| 21:21.23 | en1gma | i was using the i686 and it was a pain until you built custom kernel with that disabled |
| 21:21.23 | jetscreamer | like i heard 64bit kernel + 32bit userland !=good-4-nvidia |
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| 21:21.40 | jetscreamer | aka it don't werk |
| 21:22.06 | en1gma | if you install debian i386 and want to use an amd64 kernel and use the nvidia binary x64 driver its not that hard to get it working |
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| 21:22.15 | jetscreamer | http://nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490 |
| 21:22.36 | jetscreamer | no idea don't have 64bit cpu :/ |
| 21:22.47 | jetscreamer | so what controls the pointer to 'init' (as in /bin/bash) what file do i edit or whatever |
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| 21:23.15 | en1gma | there is an /init dir i think |
| 21:23.20 | jetscreamer | !i forgot root's password |
| 21:23.20 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 21:23.24 | jetscreamer | didn't see it |
| 21:23.29 | jetscreamer | and no i didn't forget it |
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| 21:23.40 | jetscreamer | exec /sbin/init |
| 21:23.42 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 21:23.50 | en1gma | im in vista right now so i cant look |
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| 21:24.04 | jetscreamer | i added init=/bin/bash too :/ |
| 21:24.08 | jetscreamer | i thought that was how |
| 21:24.16 | en1gma | i think its in /etc/initrd |
| 21:24.37 | LuCkS_ | hey people i have a problem with pon dsl-provider, "violation of segment" |
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| 21:24.53 | LuCkS_ | do you know something? |
| 21:25.11 | en1gma | not me |
| 21:27.22 | mmlj4 | help me out here... I want pine, i see pgp4pine, but pine doesn't exist, apparently... ok, so it's non-free, does the non-free package exist (short of downloading the deb offered on the UW page)? |
| 21:27.47 | en1gma | i going to reboot into linux brb |
| 21:27.48 | StucKman | mmlj4: see www.apt-get.org |
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| 21:28.58 | jetscreamer | THANKS WOLS YOU'VE BEEN HELPFUL!!! |
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| 21:29.04 | jetscreamer | eye wub joo man |
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| 21:30.34 | vchrizz | hi, i need to downgrade xserver-xorg to 7.0 because of fglrx driver for my radeon9200, but in packages.debian.org i cant find any older version than 7.1 .. does anybody know where to get the older version? |
| 21:31.22 | wols_ | vchrizz: nowhere |
| 21:31.28 | wols_ | you need th ati driver, not fglrx |
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| 21:33.32 | sep | !snapshot |
| 21:33.32 | dpkg | debian snapshot is, like, http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 21:33.32 | sep | vchrizz, ^ |
| 21:33.39 | Azar | mmlj4: dumb question here: did you setup your sources to get non-free contrib packages? |
| 21:34.01 | mmlj4 | contrib, yes |
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| 21:34.14 | Azar | mmlj4: _and_ non-free as well? |
| 21:34.20 | mmlj4 | but the webpage says that no package exists |
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| 21:34.24 | mmlj4 | which is silly to me |
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| 21:34.38 | doob77 | um, how can i configure my dhcp? |
| 21:34.45 | doob77 | i need to make my IP static |
| 21:34.57 | StucKman | doob77: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:35.06 | StucKman | doob77: edit the file |
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| 21:35.11 | StucKman | see man inetrfaces |
| 21:35.19 | doob77 | ok |
| 21:35.20 | doob77 | thanks |
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| 21:35.26 | Azar | mmlj4: your source line deb http:// or deb ftp://blablabla.../ main non-free contrib ? |
| 21:35.43 | vchrizz | wols_: i want to use fglrx driver which is faster than ati .. some time ago i somehow managed to get fglrx 8.28.8 working on xorg 7.1 but i didnt make a backup and had to reinstall the system :/ |
| 21:35.43 | x_link | valdyn: I will reboot now to see if the sound will work or if I have to run alsaconf again. |
| 21:35.53 | |DuReX| | hello, i got some weird problem, lvm isn't starting @ boot, i did update-rc.d lvm defaults, it added to boot, but i rebooted, and lvm wasn't working :( |
| 21:35.55 | groove | anyone aware of the limitation of how many auxiliary GIDs an NFS client can send to a server in a request? |
| 21:35.55 | vchrizz | sep, heya! how are you? :) |
| 21:36.14 | sep | vchrizz, great thanks, just got home from a 6h car drive :) |
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| 21:36.46 | sep | vchrizz, you should find ~all packages debian even had built in snapshot |
| 21:36.51 | mmlj4 | heh, i did a 12-hour drive back in october, I thought i was going to die about 10 hours into it |
| 21:37.24 | sep | mmlj4, if there is risk of dying. it's often sane to take a break :) |
| 21:37.33 | mmlj4 | those were taken |
| 21:38.12 | mmlj4 | note, not die by wreck, but die from sitting there behind the wheel |
| 21:38.24 | Staz | Hi, has anybody got a list of what operations can change the ctime of a file/directory? |
| 21:38.28 | Azar | sep: I once did a part time job for a car dealer driving cars around but what is that to do with.. debian? |
| 21:39.04 | mmlj4 | ah, nazis here too, i see |
| 21:39.19 | dvs | Azar: as long as it wasn't the car in the Indy 500. Grrrrr! |
| 21:39.35 | |DuReX| | somebody ? :( |
| 21:40.28 | x_link | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23973/ |
| 21:40.28 | x_link | Couldl somebody help me with that? |
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| 21:41.26 | vchrizz | sep, well, im looking for any 7.0 release of xorg (depends fglrx 8.28.8 which is the latest fglrx for radeon 9200) the pitty is, that this driver supports only xorg up to 7.0.99 |
| 21:41.28 | Azar | dvs: ahhhhhh the indie thingie... :) |
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| 21:41.36 | sphear1 | Can I put an echo $i in here anywhere? I get unexpected token.. "for i in * ; do convert -normalize -resize 400x300! "$i" convert/$i.jpg; done" |
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| 21:42.01 | |DuReX| | hello, i got some weird problem, lvm isn't starting @ boot, i did update-rc.d lvm defaults, it added to boot, but i rebooted, and lvm wasn't working, when i start it manually it works! any id how i can make it runs @ boot ? |
| 21:42.02 | dvs | !topicsmite x_link |
| 21:42.02 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon x_link. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 21:42.33 | Azar | sep, mmlj4, you rock guys! |
| 21:43.02 | atealtha | to get my wacom tablet working, do I have to compile the drivers myself? the wacom-kernel-headers package gives me errors |
| 21:43.08 | oyvind_ | Hello, how do i exit X? and how do i get back again? |
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| 21:43.21 | atealtha | whoops |
| 21:43.22 | balzar | i have a problem with my logitech cordless mouse on debian etch. i can see the device and the handler with 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices' but i can not get any events in /dev/input/event*. lomoco -i is also showing the device but i can not seem to get it to work. any ideas? |
| 21:43.26 | mmlj4 | oyvind_: CTRL-ATL-backspace |
| 21:43.30 | wols_ | atealtha: where did you get that wacom package? |
| 21:43.46 | oyvind_ | sry, for installing nvidia driver imeant |
| 21:43.48 | dvs | oyvind_: startx to get back in |
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| 21:44.12 | atealtha | wols_: some repo, my sources.list is stable main contrib non-free if that answers your question |
| 21:44.19 | |DuReX| | nobody that could help me ? :s |
| 21:44.30 | doob77 | is there some kind of apache control panel like there is on SuSE or windows? |
| 21:44.40 | doob77 | or is it all in the .conf files? |
| 21:44.50 | mmlj4 | . o O (apache control panel) |
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| 21:45.24 | simonrvn | apache control panel? |
| 21:45.28 | doob77 | umm like |
| 21:45.31 | doob77 | setting up apache |
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| 21:45.37 | wols_ | atealtha: you never ever need a header package of some device to makr it work. you need kernel headers |
| 21:45.38 | doob77 | stopping it |
| 21:45.40 | mmlj4 | like suse's yast |
| 21:45.40 | doob77 | restarting it |
| 21:45.41 | doob77 | etc |
| 21:45.43 | doob77 | yah |
| 21:45.46 | simonrvn | editor apache2.conf |
| 21:45.50 | wols_ | or in wacom's case wacom-kernel-source. youse m-a |
| 21:45.52 | wols_ | !m-a |
| 21:45.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 21:45.56 | mmlj4 | start it? httpd & |
| 21:45.58 | Azar | |DuReX|: I have no experience with lvm but maybe this link give you some hints? http://www.builderau.com.au/program/linux/soa/Set-up-Logical-Volume-Manager-in-Linux/0,339028299,339274722,00.htm |
| 21:46.01 | simonrvn | doob77: apache2ctl |
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| 21:46.14 | jzxu | if I have a program that dumps to stdout at specific intervals, is there a way to get the times of those intervals? |
| 21:46.22 | atealtha | wols_: thanks |
| 21:46.24 | mmlj4 | stop it? ps auxw | grep httpd and kill root's pid |
| 21:46.25 | doob77 | thanks |
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| 21:46.27 | atealtha | I'll see what I can do |
| 21:46.40 | StucKman | mmlj4: /etc/init.d/apache2 {start,stop} |
| 21:46.44 | mmlj4 | or that |
| 21:46.52 | mmlj4 | <-- old-school |
| 21:47.01 | simonrvn | doob77: apache2ctl stops it, starts it, etc. preferably you should use the init script |
| 21:47.10 | StucKman | mmlj4: heeh, go use slackware :-P |
| 21:47.13 | simonrvn | what StucKman said |
| 21:47.22 | mmlj4 | heh |
| 21:47.23 | Azar | hehe |
| 21:48.06 | oyvind_ | I wanted to log out of X, so i got to a terminal where i can install nvidia driver. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace only get me to the place where i log in with name and password |
| 21:48.27 | mmlj4 | oyvind_: ok, CTRL-ALT-F1 |
| 21:48.38 | dvs | oyvind_: ctrl-alt-f7 to get back |
| 21:48.42 | dvs | to X |
| 21:48.43 | mmlj4 | CTRL-ALT-F7 to get back to the X login screen |
| 21:48.57 | atealtha | wols_: this is my first time using module-assistant, but it looks like it is doing the exact same thing I did |
| 21:49.04 | oyvind_ | thanks |
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| 21:50.01 | wols_ | atealtha: but you didn't create a.deb package when you did what you did |
| 21:50.11 | balzar | i have a problem with my logitech cordless mouse on debian etch. i can see the device and the handler with 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices' but i can not get any events in /dev/input/event*. lomoco -i is also showing the device but i can not seem to get it to work. any ideas? |
| 21:50.12 | Hoxzer | is there a way tto know which program causes Xorg to go 97% processor usage |
| 21:50.13 | richcollins | Any reason that apt-get install subversion would try to remove tzdata and util-linux? |
| 21:50.15 | x_link | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-get add - |
| 21:50.19 | wols_ | and m-a will upgrade the module when you upgrade your debian kernel automatically. anotheri thing you didn't do |
| 21:50.22 | richcollins | (essential packages) |
| 21:50.24 | x_link | I'm doing that but it doesn't work. |
| 21:50.29 | vchrizz | uhm, maybe stupid question, but im just interested ... is it possible to run gnome and kde at the same time and switch between them? |
| 21:50.31 | x_link | To add the key |
| 21:50.38 | wols_ | Hoxzer: top |
| 21:50.48 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 21:50.48 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:50.56 | wols_ | vchrizz: yes |
| 21:51.03 | wols_ | vchrizz: you can run more than one x server |
| 21:51.11 | dvs | wols_: x_link did type out the gpg command he used. |
| 21:51.13 | Hoxzer | wols_: :( top only tells me that xorg is doing 90% everything else looks fine |
| 21:51.16 | oyvind_ | It said i still was in X, thought there was a command in root we could write, like init5 or somthing |
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| 21:51.22 | x_link | wols_: E: Invalid operation add |
| 21:51.25 | x_link | I'm getting that |
| 21:51.33 | vchrizz | wols_: cool, didnt know that .. thx for answer ;) |
| 21:51.51 | mmlj4 | define "switch between them" |
| 21:51.58 | |DuReX| | how can u see what runlevel you are ? |
| 21:52.02 | x_link | wols_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23979/ |
| 21:52.10 | x_link | I'm doing like that and I get that error. |
| 21:52.27 | atealtha | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:52.40 | wols_ | x_link: what howto or factoid did you follow? |
| 21:52.47 | wols_ | of course apt doesn't have such an option |
| 21:53.01 | wols_ | !tell atealtha about errors |
| 21:53.02 | x_link | dpkg said so |
| 21:53.02 | dpkg | Why, so I did. |
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| 21:53.09 | wols_ | x_link: which factoid |
| 21:53.16 | x_link | I don't know what factoid is |
| 21:53.19 | x_link | Sorry |
| 21:53.24 | wols_ | !factoid |
| 21:53.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 21:53.39 | wols_ | "!factoid" is a factoid |
| 21:53.43 | richcollins | Can someone help me with this apt issue? http://pastie.caboo.se/67479 |
| 21:53.48 | wols_ | so why is it? |
| 21:53.51 | x_link | wols_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23981/ |
| 21:53.54 | x_link | It said like that |
| 21:53.57 | richcollins | subversion wants to remove essential packages |
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| 21:54.31 | wols_ | richcollins: what version of debian do you run? |
| 21:54.48 | Kobaz | so what is /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin generated from |
| 21:55.01 | Kobaz | i always thought it was from /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 21:55.04 | richcollins | wols_, etch I believe |
| 21:55.19 | vchrizz | richcollins: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:55.29 | wols_ | x_link: you know the difference between apt-get and apt-key? |
| 21:55.34 | richcollins | 4.0 |
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| 21:56.46 | wols_ | richcollins: and this subvesion is from etch? |
| 21:57.11 | wols_ | cause it looks to me like you want to install i from sid or testing |
| 21:57.17 | richcollins | wols_, I believe so: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:57.17 | richcollins | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 21:58.53 | wols_ | richcollins: that's your problem |
| 21:58.57 | wols_ | !bobbitt |
| 21:58.57 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
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| 21:59.18 | wols_ | never mix branches or you might wake up someday without balls |
| 21:59.23 | richcollins | heh |
| 21:59.35 | richcollins | how am I mixing branches? |
| 21:59.49 | |DuReX| | mmm, seems my modules are loading to late, so lvm is started, but not all harddisks are seen, so its doesn't work ! how can i make my modules load before ? cause now they seem to load very late :s |
| 22:01.14 | atealtha | wols_: any idea where the m-a error logs are stored? the curses console might not be pastebin friendly |
| 22:01.14 | richcollins | wols_, How do I fix the problem, just change it to stable? |
| 22:02.02 | wols_ | atealtha: doubt it's stored |
| 22:02.08 | richcollins | If I remember correctly, I started using stable, and then I needed something in unstable, so I switched it |
| 22:02.10 | wols_ | try 2> err.log |
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| 22:02.26 | wols_ | richcollins: you can't downgrade |
| 22:02.30 | x_link | wols_: It's okey now. |
| 22:02.38 | x_link | Wouldn't sudo apt-key update work as well? |
| 22:02.38 | wols_ | but for now, swiitching to stable might work |
| 22:02.40 | richcollins | wols_, ok then why can't I continue using unstable? |
| 22:02.51 | doob77 | is there a way to log into debian as root with a desktop |
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| 22:02.57 | wols_ | richcollins: either use fully unstable or not at all. not half like you do now |
| 22:03.02 | richcollins | ah |
| 22:03.07 | doob77 | it always gives a mesage of "root cannot login here" |
| 22:03.10 | wols_ | doob77: yes |
| 22:03.11 | richcollins | so am I totally screwed? |
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| 22:03.31 | atealtha | ahh no good |
| 22:03.32 | wols_ | log in at console and run startx. a better way is to use kdesu or gksudo however. mucht better |
| 22:03.35 | wols_ | !gksudo |
| 22:03.38 | doob77 | ah ok |
| 22:04.04 | frank | root on x is bad |
| 22:04.15 | doob77 | frank, easier to configure the system |
| 22:04.23 | frank | ouch |
| 22:04.55 | frank | that's jehova behaviour |
| 22:05.37 | richcollins | wols_, Can I fix the problem, or do I need to start from scratch? |
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| 22:06.27 | wols_ | richcollins: I told you waht you can do. I gave you at least 2 options |
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| 22:07.37 | richcollins | wols_, I only saw one temporary option (but for now, swiitching to stable might work). What was the other that I missed? |
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| 22:07.52 | atealtha | wols_: well the wacom error isn't very technical, it cannot find the .ko file in the ./temp directory when it comes time to install the driver, any idea? |
| 22:07.57 | richcollins | The "for now" part didn't seem very promising |
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| 22:09.24 | dimsuz | hi! I just setted up NAT in /etc/network/interfaces as described in many howtos, but name resolution doesn't work on other network machines. Do I need to install and configure bind? |
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| 22:09.37 | dimsuz | or some other way? |
| 22:09.55 | bangers | anyone deployed 2 instances of apache on Debian? One with Php4 and Php5, both as modules |
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| 22:11.44 | Mole | how do i change the order of modules to be loaded? need to load module in the beginning of boot..like earlier than its loaded now from /etc/modules |
| 22:12.07 | |DuReX| | lol @ Mole :P |
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| 22:14.19 | Kobaz | mole: compile them into the kernel, or use initrd |
| 22:15.58 | Mole | Kobaz : so theres no way to make modules load earlier without initrd/directly in kernel ? |
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| 22:16.03 | sep | Mole, but adding it to initrd is easy |
| 22:16.29 | Mole | sep : i know just checking alternatives :) |
| 22:16.39 | runatrain | u guys redy for a SUPER stupid question!?!? whats the differance bewtwwn KDE and GNOME ?? |
| 22:16.51 | |DuReX| | if u add them to kernel, what kernel device will load first ? |
| 22:16.54 | runatrain | i really do not know |
| 22:16.59 | valdyn | runatrain: try google |
| 22:17.04 | runatrain | i did |
| 22:17.21 | runatrain | i just want to know why use one over th other |
| 22:17.25 | Mole | runatrain : "kde gnome comparison" worked for me :) |
| 22:17.37 | Kobaz | runatrain: they look a little different |
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| 22:17.54 | Mole | runatrain : pure esthetics :) |
| 22:18.10 | Kobaz | Mole: nope, it's either in the kernel, and loaded before any programs run, or it's not |
| 22:18.11 | wols_ | richcollins: full upgrade to sid |
| 22:18.21 | wols_ | atealtha: search for the .ko file? |
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| 22:18.50 | Kobaz | Mole: actually it's a bit more than esthetics. they have completely different runtime libraries, and the kde toolkit tends to be faster |
| 22:19.12 | richcollins | wols_, ah that would be ok |
| 22:19.17 | richcollins | how do I go about that? |
| 22:19.30 | Mole | Kobaz : to me its about the looks..i dun like the kde-look..but ye prolly alot more that differs too =) |
| 22:19.34 | richcollins | also having other problems (nginx won't install) :( debian doesn't like me http://pastie.caboo.se/67486 |
| 22:20.06 | |DuReX| | if you have 2 ide drivers, for 2 ide controllers, what one will load first ? need to know it to set fstab |
| 22:20.14 | richcollins | ah found upgrade info http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=76 |
| 22:20.42 | Kevin` | |DuReX| you should use filesystem labels or udev naming. or just see which loads first |
| 22:20.51 | Kevin` | labels is the easiest way to handle it |
| 22:21.38 | atealtha | wols_: nothing shows up. My guess is this was suppose to be compiled once it is downloaded, but the compiling step is what gives me the error |
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| 22:21.54 | Kobaz | DuReX: it depends on the order in the kernel |
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| 22:22.29 | Kobaz | durex: if they are compiled in anyway, which is what i'm assuming |
| 22:22.32 | Kobaz | ide generally loads first |
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| 22:23.26 | wols_ | atealtha: what exact error? and we need teh FIRST error since the following are usually simply results of the first |
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| 22:24.37 | sphear1 | Vasistha: http://81.179.215.97/cardiac/05221008/convert/bla.avi |
| 22:24.56 | atealtha | wols_: http://rafb.net/p/XgoMLf51.html |
| 22:25.21 | atealtha | this is from the step debian takes after it doenloads from the repo |
| 22:25.59 | atealtha | downloads |
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| 22:26.44 | KDan | hello.. how do i set the global email that all the shell stuff (e.g. cron results) gets sent to? |
| 22:27.18 | wols_ | atealtha: what kernel do you use? |
| 22:27.29 | wols_ | and what is that line 49? |
| 22:27.34 | megatronx | any one download debian using jigdo? if so is there any difference between http & ftp (advantage) mirrors? |
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| 22:28.14 | atealtha | wols_: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 22:28.29 | eat_life | why do i get "No such file or directory" when the file is right there |
| 22:28.42 | wols_ | atealtha: and what kernel headers? |
| 22:28.45 | eat_life | it's suppose to be a binary but it's not executable or even being seen |
| 22:29.01 | KDan | join -freenode #ubuntu |
| 22:29.03 | KDan | woops |
| 22:30.22 | ApEtc | eat_life: If it is supposed to be run, then make it executable. |
| 22:30.31 | eat_life | it is executable |
| 22:30.42 | dondelelcaro | eat_life: what are you trying to execute? what does head -n 1 foofile; report? what does stat foofile; and file foofile; say? |
| 22:30.44 | eat_life | but it's not complaining it can't run, it says it doesn't even exist- not found |
| 22:30.57 | eat_life | # file dovecot-auth |
| 22:30.57 | eat_life | dovecot-auth: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, not stripped |
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| 22:31.05 | ApEtc | eat_life: You just said "...but it's not executable..." |
| 22:31.05 | atealtha | wols_: I have both 2.6.18-4 and 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 22:31.11 | dondelelcaro | eat_life: and you're running ./dovecot-auth? |
| 22:31.19 | eat_life | ApEtc: as in i can't run it but it's +x |
| 22:31.23 | eat_life | dondelelcaro: yea |
| 22:31.29 | atealtha | wols_: /usr/src/linux is pointing to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 22:31.34 | eat_life | it's an AMD64 system, i built it on an Intel machine is that a problem? |
| 22:31.41 | wols_ | eat_life: chroot somewhere? |
| 22:31.55 | wols_ | eat_life: no. but: built? |
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| 22:32.02 | eat_life | on the intel machine i built it with CFLAGS="-march=k8" though |
| 22:32.05 | wols_ | !find dovecot-auth |
| 22:32.11 | eat_life | wols_: i meant compiled |
| 22:32.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dovecot-auth' (1): (/usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-auth) in mail/dovecot-common. |
| 22:32.20 | wols_ | eat_life: why? |
| 22:32.20 | dondelelcaro | eat_life: uh... why didn't you install the dovecot-auth for amd64? |
| 22:32.23 | yoshio | KDan: I think that email goes to root - see /etc/aliases to set where mail intended for root goes to - you should have the line "root: YourUserName" |
| 22:32.24 | eat_life | this is true if i download other peoples binaries sometimes too |
| 22:32.30 | wols_ | eat_life: I know what you meant. and I ask: why? |
| 22:32.34 | eat_life | dondelelcaro: i have problems with it and needed to build my own |
| 22:32.46 | dondelelcaro | eat_life: so build it on the amd64 machine, not an i386 machine. |
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| 22:33.10 | eat_life | here is a binary that i didn't build, i downloaded off ventrilo.com it's 32bit, but why should it matter? |
| 22:33.13 | eat_life | $ ./ventrilo_srv -? |
| 22:33.15 | eat_life | bash: ./ventrilo_srv: No such file or directory |
| 22:33.18 | KDan | yoshio: aah... nice. Can I put a proper email addres in there? e.g.: root: blah@bleh.com ? |
| 22:33.28 | KDan | nevermind. i'll look up the man page. |
| 22:33.41 | eat_life | so you're saying amd64 debian forces all binaries to be 64bit?? |
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| 22:33.57 | dondelelcaro | eat_life: of course. |
| 22:34.17 | eat_life | is it possible to compile something to be 64bit? |
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| 22:34.21 | eat_life | from like an intel machine |
| 22:34.22 | dondelelcaro | eat_life: the reason why it's giving you that error is because /lib/ld-linux.so.2 doesn't exist; you only have the amd64 ld-linux |
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| 22:34.28 | wols_ | cross compiling or compile on 64bit |
| 22:34.38 | inazad | Someone can help me with kernel compilation ? |
| 22:34.44 | bowhuntr | Is it possible to install kde from the net install cd? |
| 22:35.02 | dondelelcaro | inazad: best to just ask your question; but first, why are you compiling the kernel? |
| 22:35.05 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: but I can run 32bit binaries just fine on amd64... it might cry cause the libs are not there, but why would it say "file not found"? |
| 22:35.14 | eat_life | i thought i was cross compiling when i specified CFLAGS or do I have to modify the HOST? |
| 22:35.17 | dondelelcaro | wols_: because it first has to load the linker. |
| 22:35.27 | dondelelcaro | wols_: that's what bash is complaining about; it can't load ld |
| 22:35.29 | wols_ | so he hasn't a 32bit linker installed? |
| 22:35.36 | dondelelcaro | wols_: right |
| 22:35.44 | inazad | dondelelcaro, because I want a new boot up setup (like the boot ok a KNOPPIX) and I'm with an old version so... |
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| 22:35.46 | dondelelcaro | amd64 isn't set up to do multiarch |
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| 22:36.05 | wols_ | considering libc6 has explicit support for 32 and 64 I'd thought the linker comes too |
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| 22:36.13 | wols_ | in both versions, by default |
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| 22:36.37 | Insolit | i know this is not an azureus support channel, but anyone here resumes downloads in azureus in linux, downloads started in windows into a ntfs partition |
| 22:36.41 | dondelelcaro | wols_: nope |
| 22:37.29 | inazad | dondelelcaro, so, can u help me ? I want to find where is the famous initrd.img of the new kernel !?? |
| 22:37.34 | Insolit | strangely if i start the download in linux it has no problems downloading the file to a ntfs filesystem |
| 22:37.49 | Insolit | on the other hand if i try to resume a windows download, i get write fails |
| 22:38.05 | Insolit | i wonder if this could be related to different encodings |
| 22:38.06 | dondelelcaro | inazad: the initrd is specific to your hardware; it gets rebuilt when you install a new kernel. What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 22:38.14 | linuxwho | dont stop the download |
| 22:38.19 | linuxwho | your asking for file corruption |
| 22:38.24 | inazad | dondelelcaro, I have done make allyesconfig and make |
| 22:38.32 | inazad | dondelelcaro, but make install do nothing.. |
| 22:38.32 | dondelelcaro | wols_: running ldd on it would have made it perfectly clear what is going on: $ ldd ./bash; /usr/bin/ldd: line 1: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: No such file or directory |
| 22:38.48 | dondelelcaro | inazad: you still haven't explained why you're rebuilding the kernel |
| 22:39.08 | Insolit | linuxwho: why? |
| 22:39.15 | dondelelcaro | inazad: etch has 2.6.18.4, which should be more than new enough for almost anything you'd want to do |
| 22:39.55 | inazad | dondelelcaro, I want the framebuffer and the knoppix boot up style |
| 22:39.59 | PumpkinPie | how do I change my locale setting to "en_US:en_GB:en".. im getting those perl warnings |
| 22:40.19 | PumpkinPie | perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 22:40.23 | dondelelcaro | inazad: if you want framebuffer, just load the framebuffer module. The knoppix boot up style has nothing to do with the kernel, and everything to do with the scripts that knoppix runs. |
| 22:40.34 | dondelelcaro | PumpkinPie: dpkg-reconfigure locale; and build the en_US locale. |
| 22:41.43 | inazad | dondelelcaro, how to load the framebuffer module |
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| 22:42.19 | PumpkinPie | error: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locale is not installed |
| 22:42.24 | simonrvn | locales |
| 22:42.51 | PumpkinPie | apt-get: locales is already the newest version. |
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| 22:43.12 | simonrvn | that's what you dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:43.21 | jeffwheeler | How can I change an application's icon in GNOME? |
| 22:43.22 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro's thingy was just a typo |
| 22:43.22 | PumpkinPie | yay |
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| 22:43.58 | PumpkinPie | there is already US_en checked... dont I do nothing? |
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| 22:44.47 | inazad | dondelelcaro, how to load the framebuffer module ? |
| 22:44.58 | dondelelcaro | inazad: with modprobe; same as you'd load any other module. |
| 22:45.03 | inazad | kk |
| 22:45.09 | inazad | dondelelcaro, what is the name of the module ? fb ? |
| 22:45.12 | PumpkinPie | I dont have to check anything and I just press OK right? |
| 22:45.22 | dondelelcaro | PumpkinPie: that should be ok then; if you just saw that error during an upgrade, it's possible that perl was running during the time that locales was being rebuilt |
| 22:45.30 | PumpkinPie | ok |
| 22:45.49 | dondelelcaro | PumpkinPie: you can check now by running perl -e 1; |
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| 22:47.11 | inazad | dondelelcaro, what is the name of the module !? |
| 22:47.50 | eat_life | are there any guides for cross compiling with debian? |
| 22:47.51 | PumpkinPie | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 22:48.04 | bangers | how do I install apache2 twice in Debian? via apt-get? |
| 22:48.06 | PumpkinPie | I cant get this warning off no matter what |
| 22:48.21 | eat_life | bangers: why would you install it twice? |
| 22:48.24 | dondelelcaro | inazad: stop repeating, please; it's fb. But why do you even want to load it? |
| 22:49.02 | bangers | eat_life, to run 1 instance f or php4 1 for php5 as modules.. |
| 22:49.10 | inazad | dondelelcaro, module fb not found |
| 22:49.22 | PumpkinPie | ill install ALL locales and see if it stops |
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| 22:50.00 | eat_life | bangers: you mean like support both php4 and php5? |
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| 22:50.45 | PumpkinPie | bangers: its pretty easy to install apache 1.3 and apache 2 at the same time |
| 22:50.53 | PumpkinPie | bangers: via apt-get |
| 22:51.30 | PumpkinPie | I think a lot of people do it accidentally |
| 22:52.12 | cosmicassassin | Everytime I reboot, I have to run alsaconf to get sound. I've tried "alsactl store" to no avail. What's the missing step? |
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| 22:57.10 | coldsteal | hello |
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| 22:57.57 | PumpkinPie | I installed all locale's and I still get this message http://pastebin.ca/534943 |
| 22:58.00 | coldsteal | i need some help im trying to install firefox 2.0.0.4 |
| 22:58.51 | simonrvn | coldsteal: install iceweasel |
| 22:58.56 | dondelelcaro | PumpkinPie: LANG should be LANG="en_US.UTF-8" or similar |
| 22:59.01 | coldsteal | simonrvn: is it 2.0.0.4 |
| 22:59.07 | PumpkinPie | dondelelcaro: huh? |
| 22:59.34 | PumpkinPie | dondelelcaro: how do I change that? |
| 22:59.43 | dondelelcaro | PumpkinPie: try LANG="en_US.UTF-8" perl -e 1; just to make sure that's the problem. |
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| 23:00.54 | PumpkinPie | http://pastebin.ca/534954 |
| 23:01.11 | jeffwheeler | What is the best way to change Iceweasel's icon back to FF's in GNOME? I'm fine with the _name_ IW, but you've gotta admit, the logo is less developed than Jon Hick's for FF. |
| 23:01.18 | Greyscale | Anyone here feel like helping me with my Beryl troubles? |
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| 23:01.41 | tarzeau | Greyscale: no |
| 23:01.46 | Ronin | !anyone |
| 23:01.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 23:02.08 | Greyscale | *sigh* |
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| 23:02.26 | tarzeau | !HALP |
| 23:02.27 | dpkg | well, halp is a scandinavian in trouble, or the cat who got stuck in the sand |
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| 23:02.35 | Greyscale | Checking for non power of two texture support : failed |
| 23:02.36 | Greyscale | Support for non power of two textures missing |
| 23:02.49 | Greyscale | BUT |
| 23:03.02 | Greyscale | the graphics card supports draw_rectangles |
| 23:03.08 | Greyscale | which supposidly is what it needs |
| 23:03.11 | tarzeau | which video driver? |
| 23:03.11 | coldsteal | is there an iceweasel that is like the curent 2.0.0.4 |
| 23:03.21 | Greyscale | ATI's flglxrzwhatever |
| 23:03.26 | tarzeau | Greyscale: hehe |
| 23:03.42 | coldsteal | !firefox |
| 23:03.42 | dpkg | well, firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 23:03.56 | PumpkinPie | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.ca/534954 |
| 23:03.59 | tarzeau | Greyscale: ask chris.evenden@amd.com for the sources of ati fglrx drivers |
| 23:04.03 | tarzeau | Greyscale: so you can fix it |
| 23:04.09 | tarzeau | !ati |
| 23:04.10 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
| 23:04.16 | tarzeau | dpkg ati is also chris.evenden@amd.com |
| 23:04.18 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 23:04.19 | Greyscale | hah. |
| 23:04.23 | tarzeau | from http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_15013,00.html |
| 23:04.25 | Greyscale | norc, its not a graphics driver issue |
| 23:04.28 | Greyscale | its supported on this card |
| 23:04.35 | Greyscale | I've just buggered up beryl somewhere |
| 23:04.59 | tarzeau | Greyscale: so? beryl is not in debian, no support from #debian |
| 23:04.59 | dondelelcaro | PumpkinPie: what does locale -a|grep en_US; output? |
| 23:04.59 | tarzeau | Greyscale: try #beryl or #ati |
| 23:05.09 | dondelelcaro | PumpkinPie: the output of locale; may also be useful. |
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| 23:06.44 | PumpkinPie | http://pastebin.ca/534961 |
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| 23:09.19 | dondelelcaro | PumpkinPie: hrm; that's wierd. Those warnings messages are the problem. Try reruning locale-gen; as root and see if that cleans things up |
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| 23:13.46 | atp | hey folks. i've noticed that when i run urxvt remotely, it always comes out with wacky double-spacing. does anyone know what is causing this? |
| 23:14.17 | atp | it also seems to happen if i switch to a virtual console and then run urxvt from there (in this case client == server) |
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| 23:24.02 | Micromus | If I cant figure out how to even get WLAN up and running, am i stupid? |
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| 23:25.31 | cockroach | hi. i have an issue with my scsi scanner: since i upgraded to etch, it stopped working. all i get is "Failed to start scanner: Out of memory" (even at the lowest resolution). Any idea, anyone? |
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| 23:30.06 | atp | just fyi, my problem rxvt double-width font problem was caused by my locale being set incorrectly, and had nothing to do with whether it was being run remotely or not. |
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| 23:34.37 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 23:37.25 | yoshio | PumpkinPie: do you have anything in /etc/default/locale ? update-locale(8) talks about this file, but I don't have it. |
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| 23:38.20 | PumpkinPie | cat /etc/default/locale |
| 23:38.20 | PumpkinPie | # File generated by update-locale |
| 23:38.20 | PumpkinPie | LANG=en_US |
| 23:38.36 | maddash | `grep -r extAmpEnable *` only returns hits to the function calls in command.c -- where is this function defined? |
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| 23:39.26 | k-man__ | where do I specify which email address emails sent to root should go to? (like system warnings and stuff) |
| 23:39.35 | plopa | hi |
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| 23:40.01 | dondelelcaro | k-man__: depends on your MUA, but generally /etc/aliases |
| 23:40.07 | dondelelcaro | s/MUA/MTA/ |
| 23:40.10 | plopa | i did rm -rf on my chroot dirs |
| 23:40.11 | k-man__ | dondelelcaro, ok, thanks |
| 23:40.24 | maddash | oops, wrong channel |
| 23:40.35 | dondelelcaro | k-man__: is this a machine that only sends mail? |
| 23:40.51 | k-man__ | dondelelcaro, um... no |
| 23:41.14 | k-man__ | dondelelcaro, its not a mail server, just a web server - but i want cron messages to go to a different user |
| 23:41.27 | k-man__ | other than root i mean |
| 23:41.34 | dondelelcaro | k-man__: cron messages go to whowever MAILTO is set |
| 23:41.40 | plopa | i did rm -rf on my chroot dirs, but there was mounted important dirs : /dev /home /usr/shar/fonts... any advices on how to repopulate /dev & undelete files really welcome ! |
| 23:42.22 | dondelelcaro | k-man__: but anyway, you can just use nullmailer in that case; it's capable of sending messages to root, and handling all of the other issues. |
| 23:42.39 | k-man__ | ok |
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| 23:45.07 | GhostlyDeath | There any DVD ISO burners for Windows so I can burn this Linux Install disk? |
| 23:45.31 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath deepburner I think can do it for free |
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| 23:45.46 | petemc | cdburnerxp.se |
| 23:45.47 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath the normal low level linux programs like growisofs work on windows |
| 23:46.34 | maddash | GhostlyDeath: dd |
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| 23:47.00 | GhostlyDeath | dd isn't in windows |
| 23:47.08 | Kevin` | yes, it is. |
| 23:47.43 | GhostlyDeath | I'm talking native |
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| 23:48.03 | Kevin` | http://www.chrysocome.net/dd |
| 23:48.58 | GhostlyDeath | ported |
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| 23:49.12 | Kevin` | yes? |
| 23:49.25 | Kevin` | any command that originated on unix will be 'ported' =p |
| 23:49.29 | Kevin` | and you want third pary |
| 23:49.32 | Kevin` | party* |
| 23:49.52 | Kevin` | I can't seem to get gparted to boot on a macbook |
| 23:50.39 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 23:50.49 | GhostlyDeath | Now to try and burn the ISO using DeepBurner Free... |
| 23:51.05 | Kevin` | hmm, the cd isn't booting with qemu either |
| 23:51.11 | Kevin` | I wonder what's wrong |
| 23:51.28 | Kevin` | works from the image file |
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| 23:52.25 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
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| 23:52.37 | GhostlyDeath | When I last had linux, I couldn't switch displays as it would crash X |
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| 23:52.53 | Kevin` | probably the display driver |
| 23:52.59 | GhostlyDeath | LCD to CRT (VGA out) to LCD and CRT |
| 23:53.01 | junix659 | hi, how do i tell what versions of the kernel images i have installed? |
| 23:53.21 | Kevin` | junix659 simplest is ls /boot |
| 23:53.31 | GhostlyDeath | <insert computer crashing/erase hard drive command here> |
| 23:53.39 | Micromus | I cant install ieee80211 cause it cant find /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build/ , is that because i havent got the kernel source installed? if so, how do i install it? |
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| 23:53.57 | GhostlyDeath | Micromus, ipw3945? |
| 23:54.00 | junix659 | Kevin`: what if i want to find out which are still installed using apt-get?? |
| 23:54.28 | Micromus | ipw2200 |
| 23:54.38 | GhostlyDeath | I got ipw3945 working good |
| 23:54.45 | GhostlyDeath | might be simialr to ipw2200 |
| 23:54.56 | GhostlyDeath | You under which Debian? |
| 23:54.59 | Kevin` | junix659 dpkg -l |grep linux-image perhaps |
| 23:55.02 | Micromus | etch |
| 23:55.09 | junix659 | Kevin`: thanks |
| 23:55.09 | GhostlyDeath | Micromus, using Aptitude |
| 23:55.13 | Kevin` | I have ipw2200 working under debian |
| 23:55.21 | Kevin` | all I had to do was install the firmware, driver was already present |
| 23:55.28 | GhostlyDeath | Go to... repositories.... edit them and add "contrib non-free" to where it says "main" |
| 23:55.42 | GhostlyDeath | since I think ipw2200 is pre-built |
| 23:55.56 | GhostlyDeath | ipw3945 is |
| 23:56.10 | Micromus | i have the ipw2200 and i have moved the firmware and everything |
| 23:56.33 | GhostlyDeath | after adding those repo. search for ieee |
| 23:56.39 | GhostlyDeath | err changing |
| 23:56.39 | Micromus | but dmesg tells me "ipw2200: Unknown symbol ieee80211_lots_of_stuff" |
| 23:56.40 | jelly-home | Micromus: ipw2200 should work out of the box. |
| 23:56.42 | Kevin` | Micromus you extracted the firmware tar file then copied the couple of files to /lib/firmware? |
| 23:57.03 | Kevin` | Micromus try depmod -a first |
| 23:57.10 | maddash | 3 files. not 2. |
| 23:57.14 | jelly-home | Micromus: (that is, no need to build newer ieee80211 or ipw2200) |
| 23:57.19 | Kevin` | couple as in "some files" |
| 23:57.23 | Kevin` | I thought it was more like 5 |
| 23:57.42 | GhostlyDeath | Isn't ipw2200 prebult already? |
| 23:57.46 | Kevin` | yes. |
| 23:57.52 | Micromus | and what does "work" mean? |
| 23:57.58 | GhostlyDeath | It would be easier to use them? |
| 23:58.04 | GhostlyDeath | +wouldn't |
| 23:58.13 | Kevin` | for me? worked as the specs of the driver said it would |
| 23:58.15 | Micromus | Does "work" mean that the interface should come up when doing iwconfig/ifconfig? |
| 23:58.22 | Kevin` | recieves and transmits 802.11g |
| 23:58.29 | jelly-home | Micromus: work: like, I can connect to by AP using just the modules from linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 23:58.40 | Kevin` | yes, Micromus |
| 23:58.54 | GhostlyDeath | I got no problems with ipw3945 |
| 23:59.00 | GhostlyDeath | but you can't install Linux with it |
| 23:59.08 | GhostlyDeath | because it's "non-free" |
| 23:59.16 | GhostlyDeath | non-"free"* |
| 23:59.20 | Micromus | ok, i happen to have another install on the same box, i'll boot that now and try on an untouched system |
| 23:59.27 | Kevin` | someone should make a nonfree install cd with intel, atheros, and whatever |
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| 23:59.35 | tcpsyn | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816133005 |
| 23:59.37 | GhostlyDeath | Kevin`, That's what I was thinking |
| 23:59.38 | tcpsyn | if I buy something like that |
| 23:59.43 | tcpsyn | and put 3 drives in it |
| 23:59.52 | tcpsyn | can I later add 2 more drives to the array |
| 23:59.58 | tcpsyn | and extend the lvm volume? |
