| 00:00.03 | GhostlyDeath | Kevin`, or at least support non-"free" stuff along with the free stuff |
| 00:00.07 | Kevin` | tcpsyn at the linux level, yes, you can |
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| 00:00.12 | GhostlyDeath | so you can download the regular net inst |
| 00:00.16 | Toyd | freenode staffers trying to limit our freedom come to #macosx-gay and support us please |
| 00:00.21 | tcpsyn | Kevin, howabout the hardware level.. |
| 00:00.28 | Kevin` | if the device does it's own lvm-type stuff, you would have to consult it's documentation |
| 00:00.42 | Kevin` | if the device brings all 5 devices to the computer directly, it wouldn't matter |
| 00:00.50 | Kevin` | since linux can manage that with raid or lvm |
| 00:00.58 | Kevin` | if it does it itself, read the docs :) |
| 00:01.10 | nvz | Toyd: are you trying to get k-lined or just banned from #debian? |
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| 00:01.38 | jelly-home | gaaay ;-) |
| 00:01.45 | tcpsyn | kevin, right, I understand the lvm thing, I'm just concerned that if I start my array with 3 drives, I won't be able to add 2 more. |
| 00:01.51 | tcpsyn | without losing data |
| 00:02.00 | Kevin` | tcpsyn you can add drives to a linux md raid5 array fairly easily |
| 00:02.09 | Kevin` | you can also add drives to lvm fairly easily |
| 00:02.13 | tcpsyn | right. |
| 00:02.15 | nvz | as if being gay.. haha or whoo hoo, gay.. has anything at all to do with technical support |
| 00:02.18 | tcpsyn | the hardware though. |
| 00:02.21 | Kevin` | and most supported filesystems do online resizing |
| 00:02.31 | GhostlyDeath | How many extended partition drives can I have? |
| 00:02.35 | Kevin` | as for the hardware, call them and ask, or look at the specs from manufacturer |
| 00:02.49 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: more than you should ever have |
| 00:02.55 | Kevin` | ^ |
| 00:03.05 | GhostlyDeath | Was thinling opf making 30 paritions |
| 00:03.09 | GhostlyDeath | in a 15GB drive |
| 00:03.17 | nvz | you're a weirdo |
| 00:03.22 | nvz | and you probably want lvm |
| 00:03.25 | GhostlyDeath | What would happen in Windows and in Linux? |
| 00:03.26 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath if your using the scsi layer you might run into some problems with device labelling, but you can work around this if it happens. your a wierdo =p |
| 00:03.39 | Kevin` | windows wouldn't be able to assign 30 letters, obviously |
| 00:03.41 | Kevin` | and would be unhappy |
| 00:03.51 | GhostlyDeath | /dev/sda24 |
| 00:03.57 | Micromus | Jun 4 02:00:41 atlas kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:06:05.0[A] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 193 |
| 00:04.02 | Micromus | Jun 4 02:00:41 atlas kernel: ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection |
| 00:04.04 | Micromus | Jun 4 02:00:41 atlas kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:06:05.0 disabled |
| 00:04.05 | cast | ha. that's an interesting question. how does windows deal with >26 drives? |
| 00:04.07 | GhostlyDeath | Kevin`, I'd laugh if I saw AA: |
| 00:04.07 | Micromus | Jun 4 02:00:41 atlas kernel: ipw2200: probe of 0000:06:05.0 failed with error -5 |
| 00:04.11 | GhostlyDeath | AB: |
| 00:04.11 | nvz | Kevin`: you could get the spanish version, there are 30 letters in the spanish alphabet :P |
| 00:04.21 | GhostlyDeath | damn enter key, why is it there!? |
| 00:04.31 | Micromus | thats on a new untouched install on the same machine |
| 00:04.33 | GhostlyDeath | !damn Enter Key |
| 00:05.11 | jelly-home | Micromus: weird. now you have to figure out what error -5 means |
| 00:05.18 | tcpsyn | Linux (RAID via OS) |
| 00:05.20 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath default numbering has 63 sub-devices for hd* and 15 for sd*, which is why I bring this up. udev can overcome this |
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| 00:05.38 | tcpsyn | I wonder what they mean by that |
| 00:05.39 | jelly-home | Micromus: I suppose you have the correct firmware version in place? |
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| 00:06.01 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: with lvm none of that really matters |
| 00:06.05 | mafios0 | how to update an obselete package using apt-get , can anyone help please ? |
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| 00:06.11 | GhostlyDeath | just gonna make 30 FAT drives |
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| 00:06.27 | Kevin` | mafios0 you can request it to be installed |
| 00:06.29 | nvz | GhostlyDeath: crack kills you know, you should seek rehab |
| 00:06.36 | Kevin` | mafios0 normally you just do dist-upgrade all at once, though |
| 00:06.45 | GhostlyDeath | nvz, I don't do drugs - I just want to see what happens |
| 00:06.56 | GhostlyDeath | If Windows crashes I could bring the drive to school lolz |
| 00:06.56 | mafios0 | Kevin`: i wanna update it from the internet |
| 00:07.07 | mafios0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.22 | Kevin` | tcpsyn if they say linux raid via os they expect you to use md raid most likely, which is good for you |
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| 00:07.44 | Kevin` | as you will probably get all 5 drives logically attached to the system |
| 00:07.47 | Kevin` | physical won't matter |
| 00:07.48 | nvz | apparently you never heard what curiousity did to the proverbial cat |
| 00:07.56 | tcpsyn | awesome |
| 00:07.56 | GhostlyDeath | Splat! |
| 00:08.07 | GhostlyDeath | That's what happened to the cat |
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| 00:08.29 | sharp15 | how do i run a command on boot in debian? |
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| 00:08.38 | jelly-home | $lives--; |
| 00:08.40 | asg | sharp15: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 00:08.53 | Micromus | jelly-home: my bad, now ive copied the firmwares, how can i "refresh" without rebooting? |
| 00:09.01 | GhostlyDeath | MyCat.lives--; |
| 00:09.09 | sharp15 | asg: thanks. |
| 00:09.09 | jelly-home | Micromus: just modprobe ipw2200 manually |
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| 00:11.04 | Deepa | I've gotten blocked by CBL twice |
| 00:11.09 | Micromus | jelly-home: and how do i see if that worked? iw/ifconfig still shows nothing |
| 00:11.11 | Deepa | It's most likely a bad sing |
| 00:11.28 | Deepa | Anyone know of a tool I could use to try and find out what makes me get blocked? |
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| 00:12.17 | jelly-home | Micromus: well, the module would be loaded, and iwconfig would show the card |
| 00:12.44 | jelly-home | Micromus: different stuff in dmesg too probably |
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| 00:15.22 | Micromus | none of the logs say anything, i'll try a reboot |
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| 00:15.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
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| 00:15.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | I set up SSH on a computer on my LAN, and connecting to it via ssh in the shell works fine |
| 00:15.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | But FISH:// doesn't want to connect |
| 00:15.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out? |
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| 00:15.42 | sharp15 | FISH:// ? |
| 00:15.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | sharp15: File sharing over ssh |
| 00:16.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Basically, secure FTP |
| 00:16.08 | sharp15 | cool. |
| 00:16.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's a Konqueror feature - graphical ssh |
| 00:16.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | It connects via SSH and does everything via SSH, but looks like FTP |
| 00:16.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | Anyway, it won't work for some reason |
| 00:16.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yet regular SSH does |
| 00:17.20 | sharp15 | can it take port specifications? |
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| 00:17.26 | cast | use sftp? :> |
| 00:17.37 | cast | if kde has an io slave or whatever you call it for that |
| 00:17.38 | Micromus | jelly-home: holy jamaica, it works :) |
| 00:17.56 | Micromus | but how do i un-fuck the stuff i did on the onter installation? :S |
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| 00:18.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | cast: fish:// in Konq usually does the job, but for some reason, now, it won't. |
| 00:18.27 | sharp15 | Dark_Apostrophe: do you have an sftp server running on the other end? |
| 00:18.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | No, an SSH server |
| 00:19.03 | sharp15 | Dark_Apostrophe: it's executed by the same here. have you had it working without the sftp server? |
| 00:19.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | pure ssh works |
| 00:19.33 | cast | sftp -> file transfer part of ssh protocol |
| 00:19.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah |
| 00:19.43 | sharp15 | Dark_Apostrophe: i meant have you gotten fish:// working without the sftp server? |
| 00:19.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | I haven't tried |
| 00:19.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just installed SSH, that's all |
| 00:20.35 | sharp15 | Dark_Apostrophe: so you've only had this working with ssh servers you don't admin? ok. try adding the sftp stuff to sshd_config. |
| 00:20.36 | jelly-home | Micromus: remove the ieee80211 stuff you installed afterwards (and maybe run depmod -a) |
| 00:20.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | sharp15: It was there |
| 00:21.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 00:21.38 | sharp15 | Dark_Apostrophe: then no idea. |
| 00:21.53 | sharp15 | sorry. |
| 00:22.27 | coldsteal | hello okay so m trying t install ibm-acpi but i dont know what patch to get |
| 00:22.33 | coldsteal | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=117042&package_id=127333 |
| 00:22.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | sharp15: Ah, found the problem |
| 00:22.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | using sftp:// instead of fish:// makes it work |
| 00:22.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | :D |
| 00:23.11 | coldsteal | i do a uname -a and i have 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 00:26.27 | Micromus | jelly-home: does it support wpa-psk out of the box as well? |
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| 00:32.33 | coldsteal | +win 2 |
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| 00:33.10 | xjih78 | hi everybody |
| 00:33.11 | xjih78 | does anyone know of a voice modifier for linux? |
| 00:35.19 | yoshio | PumpkinPie: don't know if this helps http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1893.html |
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| 00:46.30 | yoshio | PumpkinPie: you had LANGUAGE="en_US:en_GB:en" - I looked at /usr/share/i18n/en* - notice there is no "en" entry. take the "en" entry out |
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| 00:51.08 | yoshio | PumpkinPie: never mind, LANGUAGE="en_US:en_GB:enNoSuchThing" perl -e 1 -- doesn't give me an error either |
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| 00:55.37 | spheard | I have about 4000 images in a sequence names thus "CARDIAC 1.MR.14.6.2007.05.30.09.54.49.171875.69934864.IMA". Can anyone tll me how I can bulk rename them 69934864.IMA? |
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| 00:56.01 | spheard | Id go thru them 1 by one but I fear Id loose interest |
| 00:56.56 | yoshio | spheard: man rename ? |
| 00:57.20 | spheard | yoshio, confuses the hell outta me man |
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| 01:12.11 | mainer | anyone having any issues with etch and libc6 error= --unpack? |
| 01:12.41 | mainer | did a net-install(ftp) and can't force an upgrade |
| 01:13.32 | abrotman | do you have the full error ? |
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| 01:14.03 | mainer | just keeps saying it can't unpack it so i assumed it was corrupt |
| 01:14.34 | mainer | using ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:14.36 | abrotman | is this during the install ? |
| 01:14.48 | mainer | not install dist-upgrade after |
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| 01:15.34 | mainer | had to use a 2.4.27 kernel needs libc6 for kernel 2.6,keeps going in circles |
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| 01:15.45 | mainer | catch 22 |
| 01:16.00 | abrotman | why didn't the 2.6 install work? |
| 01:16.01 | mainer | have just a base install |
| 01:16.06 | abrotman | and why are you using the sarge installer ? |
| 01:16.19 | mainer | all i had and my burner's broke |
| 01:16.22 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:16.27 | abrotman | and the 2.6 install on sarge doesn't work ? |
| 01:16.35 | mainer | not so far |
| 01:16.49 | mainer | sources.list is using etch only |
| 01:17.09 | mainer | no,excuse me was using lenny |
| 01:17.26 | mainer | trying to install /testing branch |
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| 01:17.33 | abrotman | i don't think sarge straight to lenny is supported |
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| 01:17.57 | mainer | ok,i;ll try downloading the minimal iso and booting via grub,then |
| 01:18.14 | mainer | do a poor-mans-install |
| 01:18.30 | mainer | allright,thanks for answering me,appreciate it |
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| 01:18.33 | mainer | :) |
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| 01:19.18 | abrotman | i didn't really answer him though ... |
| 01:19.59 | cast | perception is reality! |
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| 01:20.48 | yoshio | spheard: thunar has a graphical bulk rename thing http://www.raiden.net/?aid=246 |
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| 01:22.41 | dondelelcaro | that's pretty hideous; it doesn't do anything that couldn't be done after spending 30 minutes learning about regexes |
| 01:23.05 | dondelelcaro | (and doesn't do a lot of things that you could do after a 30 minute lesson) |
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| 01:24.08 | abrotman | use rename ? |
| 01:24.16 | yoshio | dondelelcaro: true |
| 01:24.33 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah |
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| 01:24.46 | yoshio | abrotman: I suggested that, the person asking the question gets confused by regexes |
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| 01:25.21 | dondelelcaro | yoshio: hrm... the basic ones aren't that hard to learn |
| 01:25.54 | abrotman | yoshio: uhm . ok |
| 01:26.10 | dondelelcaro | rename 's/\s+/\_/g; s/[^\w\d.]/\_/g; s/^_+//g; s/_$//g; $_ = lc($_); s/\_+/\_/g; s/\_\././' <-- though something like this may be a bit confusing for a novice... |
| 01:27.00 | abrotman | get the cat off the keyboard! |
| 01:27.18 | dondelelcaro | heh. that's actually the rename function from my "sanitize_filename" command |
| 01:27.41 | yoshio | spheard wrote: I have about 4000 images in a sequence names thus "CARDIAC 1.MR.14.6.2007.05.30.09.54.49.171875.69934864.IMA". Can anyone tll me how I can bulk rename them 69934864.IMA? |
| 01:27.56 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: to remove spaces ? |
| 01:28.12 | karsten | yoshio: sed |
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| 01:28.19 | karsten | yoshio: erm, rename. |
| 01:28.29 | karsten | yoshio: It's a CLI tool. |
| 01:28.53 | karsten | yoshio: Is there a space after "CARDIAC"? |
| 01:28.54 | abrotman | i said that! |
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| 01:29.01 | yoshio | karsten: I suggested rename to spheard, but he doesn't do regexes |
| 01:29.04 | dondelelcaro | yeah; that's just rename 's/.*\.(\d+.IMA)/$1/' CARDIAC*; |
| 01:29.33 | karsten | yoshio: Doh, thought you were asking that. |
| 01:29.41 | eat_life | which NTP software updates time slowly if it sees it's off? instead of changing your time drastically |
| 01:29.49 | cast | eat_life: the ntpd |
| 01:29.51 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: and anything that's not \w\d. |
| 01:29.51 | karsten | eat_life: Most of them. |
| 01:29.56 | abrotman | ah |
| 01:30.07 | karsten | eat_life: ntp slews time _so_ slowly you'll likely never get caught up. |
| 01:30.10 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: and lowercase, and otherwise make the filename something that I can type without cursing whoever named the file |
| 01:30.13 | yoshio | spheard: dondelelcaro's suggestion works |
| 01:30.17 | eat_life | well im using openntpd, and i keep getting messages some things are in the future |
| 01:30.33 | dondelelcaro | eat_life: ntpsimple and ntpdate does it |
| 01:30.42 | cast | dondelelcaro: ntpdate does not |
| 01:31.03 | karsten | eat_life: It's like an hour or so per second in the default ntp protocol. |
| 01:31.18 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 01:31.18 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 01:31.25 | dondelelcaro | cast: ntpdate jumps it, yes. |
| 01:31.43 | dondelelcaro | ('course, nowadays, ntpd will jump the time if it's out by a lot when it first starts too) |
| 01:31.52 | cast | dondelelcaro: hes looking for something which doesn't jump it isn't h :\ |
| 01:32.02 | dondelelcaro | cast: he thinks he is, but in reality, it doesn't matter |
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| 01:32.31 | dondelelcaro | (well, until you get the time within a second or so) |
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| 01:32.33 | cast | it matters! running ntpdate in e16 crashes it for me, i'm presuming e16 doesn't like the funky timeline action |
| 01:32.51 | dondelelcaro | cast: that's definetly a bug in e16, then. |
| 01:32.52 | tonyb | What's the correct procedure to reopen a bug in the BTS? |
| 01:33.25 | dondelelcaro | tonyb: send a control message with reopen <bugnum> |
| 01:34.10 | eat_life | what to do about a bug that may affect multiple package but i'm not sure if it does for certain? |
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| 01:34.36 | dondelelcaro | eat_life: file it against the package that you know it affects, and the maintainer will reassign it if necessary |
| 01:34.45 | eat_life | ok |
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| 01:34.51 | daeos | is it possible to create a new user that has a home folder of /var/www ? |
| 01:34.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:35.22 | cast | dondelelcaro: sure, but i can imagine alot of applications make assumptions about time. say that 00:01:00 is only going to happen once a day, etc....breaks in the continuity of time should be avoided imho |
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| 01:35.57 | tonyb | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
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| 01:36.35 | dondelelcaro | cast: well, those are all pretty much improper assumptions |
| 01:37.28 | dondelelcaro | cast: if you must do such a thing, you should do what cron does to avoid rerunning scripts for short time jumps |
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| 01:38.31 | spheard | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 01:38.39 | daeos | abrotman: im trying to make an account strictly for a forum to be able to use ftp and modify files in the /forum folder |
| 01:39.03 | daeos | abrotman: what do i need to specify in an account i make to make its home dir /var/www or /var/www/forum ? |
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| 01:40.19 | dondelelcaro | daeos: it's an option for adduser; man adduser; and read about --home |
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| 01:40.42 | daeos | dondelelcaro: ah --home ok, i'll look over that |
| 01:41.36 | litage|w | what is uuencode's "name" argument for? |
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| 01:42.41 | unimatrix | output file name? |
| 01:43.02 | dondelelcaro | litage|w: it's the name that uudecode uses |
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| 01:45.48 | litage|w | dondelelcaro: ah i see. thanks |
| 01:46.17 | unimatrix | that name will be used when that block will be decoded |
| 01:46.55 | linuxwho | zzz |
| 01:47.26 | Hotwired | E: Build-Depends dependency for glibc cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package gcc-4.1 can satisfy version requirements <--- anyone have any idea why this may be? I run a testing system with apt-pinning for stuff i need from unstable |
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| 01:49.55 | unimatrix | --- debhelper sets channel limit to 694 |
| 01:49.55 | unimatrix | that's kinda join-flood-protection? |
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| 02:01.15 | GaiaX11 | I was using ubuntu and I came back to debian :-) But, I forgot how to add http repos to my source.list. I remember that in the past I used base-config to do that. But I did not see any base config in here :-( |
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| 02:02.19 | maddash | GaiaX11: apt-spy. `nano /etc/apt/sources.list`. etc. |
| 02:02.53 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 02:02.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 02:03.25 | Aboven | hi |
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| 02:04.33 | Aboven | i got problems when i changed in xorg.conf i couldnt load the daemons after reboot its just said /bin/sh intermgngr or something |
| 02:05.09 | Aboven | were gonna fix the nvidia drivers |
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| 02:05.51 | Aboven | could it be something with the installation? |
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| 02:06.37 | mgoldey | hey now |
| 02:06.50 | mgoldey | has anyone noticed that bind9 v. 9.4.1 isn't working properly? |
| 02:07.07 | mgoldey | all of my DNS servers recently upgraded, and stopped working |
| 02:07.23 | mgoldey | they won't respond to external queries, only to queries made on their LANs |
| 02:07.37 | mgoldey | ain't nothing in the .conf restricting who they talk to |
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| 02:08.37 | SiliconViper | I am attempting to set up a bonded ethernet device across two NICs, each connected to a different WAN connection from a different ISP. I have managed to get the device to exist, and reference both NICs, but not obtain an IP over DHCP (makes sense, I guess), and I can't figure out what kind of static IP I would need to set. Anyone have some insight they'd be willing to spare? |
| 02:09.05 | Wyzard | SiliconViper: I don't think you can do that |
| 02:09.12 | Wyzard | SiliconViper: Bonding has to be done from both sides |
| 02:09.49 | SiliconViper | Wyzard, per http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/bonding.htm... |
| 02:09.50 | SiliconViper | Balance TLB |
| 02:09.50 | SiliconViper | Adaptive Transmit Load Balancing. Incoming traffic is received on the active slave only, outgoing traffic is distributed according to the current load on each slave. Doesn't require special switch support |
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| 02:10.28 | SiliconViper | 802.3ad does require support on both ends. |
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| 02:10.47 | Wyzard | ok, but bonding works at the Ethernet layer; it's for combining multiple links that are part of the same Ethernet network |
| 02:10.54 | Wyzard | like from a server to a switch |
| 02:11.04 | Wyzard | not two separate Internet connections that have no relationship to each other |
| 02:11.21 | SiliconViper | Hence a software bonding. |
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| 02:11.56 | Wyzard | A bonded device has only one logical endpoint; it just has more bandwidth to that endpoint |
| 02:12.23 | nvz | sounds kinky |
| 02:12.29 | Wyzard | think of it as a thicker cable |
| 02:12.38 | Wyzard | It can't go to two different places |
| 02:12.50 | SiliconViper | Essentially, I'm looking to aggregate the bandwidth as best possible. Since they're independant, each will only be able to handle independant tasks, rather than a single unified pipe. I don't expect that. I'm wanting to set it up to take the path that is least congested when starting a session. |
| 02:12.54 | nvz | shh you're ruining the momeny |
| 02:12.55 | qiyong | what is the password format in vpopmail? |
| 02:13.05 | Wyzard | You can do that sort of thing with routing, I believe -- at the IP layer, not the Ethernet layer |
| 02:13.08 | Wyzard | though I don't know the details |
| 02:13.29 | SiliconViper | I may well be mistaken on the method I need to employ. |
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| 02:13.44 | Wyzard | I think you are |
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| 02:13.58 | slakmagik | would setting my login group back to 'users' (100) create any problems in Debian? |
| 02:14.06 | Wyzard | Look into routing stuff rather than bonding |
| 02:14.08 | SiliconViper | Round-robin isn't exactly the best solution for this application, but some degree of load-balancing would be nice. |
| 02:14.27 | Coweater | if i want to have two X logins on the same machine with gdm, do i just need to add a second item in gdmsetup's "Servers to start" list? |
| 02:14.55 | S4nD3r | hi there.. |
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| 02:15.14 | S4nD3r | I have here a music CD, Id like to know which tool to convert this CD to mp3 |
| 02:15.18 | S4nD3r | Is there anyone? |
| 02:15.24 | SiliconViper | Example: Line A - 10MBit, Line B - 6Mbit. If A is pushing 8+ Mbits, open the next session via B. |
| 02:15.47 | slakmagik | cdparanoia and lame - but oggenc will convert it to ogg |
| 02:15.49 | Coweater | S4nD3r: there is noone, grip does it as do a number of other tools i don't recall the names for |
| 02:15.52 | slakmagik | S4nD3r: |
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| 02:16.34 | zamez | there's one called "abcde" |
| 02:16.41 | abrotman | Coweater: i think that'll work .. there's also an X place .. though i can't recall where right now |
| 02:16.47 | nvz | sound juicer |
| 02:17.02 | Wyzard | abcde is decent... I used to use that |
| 02:17.11 | slakmagik | that's a sweet name - "a better cd encoder" - abcde. :) |
| 02:17.32 | abrotman | maybe it was the xserverrc |
| 02:18.54 | S4nD3r | ogg?? I think that iss possible to conrt to mp3 |
| 02:18.58 | S4nD3r | convert |
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| 02:19.06 | slakmagik | that's lossy to lossy, so I wouldn't |
| 02:19.26 | slakmagik | but ogg is 'free' and mp3/lame isn't, so it's easier to do in debian |
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| 02:22.04 | slakmagik | so no opinions on the group-switch idea? if I don't get a 'nay', I'll go ahead and try it. :) |
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| 02:28.32 | AprilDL | is there a recommended way to symlink /tmp to a different physical drive that won't cause trouble during booting? |
| 02:29.45 | slakmagik | why wouldn't that other drive (it's partition) just be the mountpoint, rather than symlinking anything? |
| 02:30.39 | slakmagik | s/it's/its/ |
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| 02:38.58 | delete[df] | hi 2 all |
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| 02:39.10 | delete[df] | who can help me for one instalation |
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| 02:40.11 | muk_mb | hello? |
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| 02:40.19 | delete[df] | who can help me for one instalation |
| 02:40.49 | abrotman | just ask |
| 02:41.00 | Gigantic | !bonjour |
| 02:41.00 | dpkg | Bonjour, gigantic. Comment allez-vous? |
| 02:41.27 | muk_mb | how small can I get a server install of debian (hard drive footprint that is)? |
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| 02:42.16 | abrotman | muk_mb: 250MB or so |
| 02:42.26 | muk_mb | kk |
| 02:42.26 | waspius | does anyone know how to make a webcam work |
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| 02:43.24 | nvz | waspius: hot strippers always seem to make em work |
| 02:43.52 | fuzan | hey -- i'm trying to install debian and it keeps hanging at 0% at 'installing teh grub package'/ |
| 02:43.52 | abrotman | muk_mb: not including whatever server apps you're installing |
| 02:44.25 | muk_mb | k |
| 02:44.25 | fuzan | if i kill the apt-get grub process, i can go back and change the partition settings, but none seem to be helping. |
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| 02:45.13 | waspius | anyone? |
| 02:45.13 | Nosferatu | bueller? |
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| 02:46.12 | abrotman | Nosferatu: come on .. turn it off |
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| 02:47.57 | Hillview | hi, looking for some guideline. I'm curious how much of a comp I need to play with debian (I just want to learn how to install and administer a server), for mysql & apache? |
| 02:48.13 | dondelelcaro | Hillview: pretty much anything that was made in the past 10 years will work fine |
| 02:49.06 | Hillview | dondelelcaro, ok :) so, for instance.. assuming it'll work when I blow the dust off, a p300 with 128 megs of ram? I think it's got a 6 gig hard disk, don't remember. |
| 02:49.31 | abrotman | yep |
| 02:49.39 | Hillview | cool, thanks. |
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| 02:49.53 | dondelelcaro | Hillview: yeah, that's fine. The more memory the better, but 128M is good enough |
| 02:50.04 | abrotman | won't be the fastest thing in the world .. but it'll run Debian .. assuming the phyisical bits are good |
| 02:50.05 | delete[df] | who can help me for one instalation ???? plz /me |
| 02:50.15 | abrotman | delete[df]: just ask your question already |
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| 02:50.19 | dob1 | hi, how can i fast remove (purge?) all the packages listed on the output of deborphan? |
| 02:50.28 | centrx | deborphan |xargs dpkg --purge |
| 02:50.31 | abrotman | dob1: xargs |
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| 02:50.39 | dob1 | thanks |
| 02:50.39 | delete[df] | abrotman prv ? |
| 02:50.41 | shadey_ | is there a way i can speed up transfers over Samba? it appears to be quite slow... especially with large files |
| 02:50.44 | abrotman | delete[df]: no .. ask here |
| 02:50.54 | delete[df] | ok, |
| 02:51.01 | delete[df] | i'm new in linux.. os |
| 02:51.12 | delete[df] | and i need help for install |
| 02:51.16 | centrx | delete[df], just do it in the channel and ask your question |
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| 02:51.36 | delete[df] | my questions is noob... |
| 02:51.37 | centrx | delete[df], go forward with the installation, if you have any specific questions or you are at a turning point where you do not know what to do, ask the question |
| 02:51.45 | delete[df] | how to install zip and rar ? |
| 02:51.49 | delete[df] | command |
| 02:52.43 | tt1 | unrar |
| 02:52.44 | delete[df] | ? |
| 02:52.51 | tt1 | gzip -d |
| 02:53.12 | delete[df] | .gz ? |
| 02:53.18 | centrx | do you want to unzip or zip? |
| 02:53.21 | centrx | do you want to rar or unrar? |
| 02:53.24 | tt1 | op, apt-get install ... |
| 02:53.26 | abrotman | unzip is not gunzip |
| 02:53.29 | delete[df] | gzip: dbc.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored |
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| 02:53.44 | fuzan | for some reason, the installer's trying to install grub onto "/target" |
| 02:53.58 | fuzan | how can I force this to the device I want? (/dev/hda2) ? |
| 02:54.31 | linuxwho | ok whats the command in abcde to output mp3 ? |
| 02:54.31 | linuxwho | -o mp3? |
| 02:54.39 | linuxwho | or just -o? |
| 02:54.49 | centrx | delete[df], what exactly do you want to do |
| 02:54.53 | abrotman | aptitude install unrar rar zip unzip |
| 02:54.54 | centrx | abrotman, you have a zip file you want to unzip? |
| 02:55.02 | abrotman | centrx: wtf .. pay attention |
| 02:55.02 | centrx | delete[df], do apt-get install unzip |
| 02:55.05 | delete[df] | who can help me |
| 02:55.08 | delete[df] | with VNC |
| 02:55.13 | centrx | abrotman, please ask your question |
| 02:55.19 | abrotman | centrx: i'm going to smack you |
| 02:55.33 | waspius | anyone know how to setup a usb web cam? |
| 02:55.36 | abrotman | centrx: i don't need help (not about this stuff anyways) |
| 02:55.41 | linuxwho | canorama |
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| 02:56.09 | centrx | abrotman, ok but if you do, just ask your question and we will try to help |
| 02:56.11 | centrx | abrotman, don't ask to ask |
| 02:56.20 | abrotman | centrx: are you broken ? |
| 02:56.27 | linuxwho | in abcde im not getting the command right to output the rip to mp3, anybody know what the proper command would be? |
| 02:56.32 | centrx | please state the nature of your medical emergency |
| 02:56.33 | waspius | linuxwho: i dont want a program but to get it recognised |
| 02:56.34 | thingfish | ooo looks fun already in here |
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| 02:56.40 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:56.55 | broken | im broken. |
| 02:56.59 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 02:58.03 | delete[df] | centrx |
| 02:58.09 | delete[df] | .rar.gz ? |
| 02:58.19 | fuzan | anyone have any idea why grub is stalling ? |
| 02:58.23 | centrx | if you happen to have a .rar.gz file for some strange reason |
| 02:58.29 | centrx | first use gunzip, then use unrar |
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| 02:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 702] by debhelper |
| 03:00.01 | dob1 | there is a similar command to deborphan, i don't remember the name, debian forensic or similar, i don't remember |
| 03:00.11 | abrotman | debfoster ? |
| 03:00.30 | maddash | centrx: are you a bot? |
| 03:00.48 | abrotman | i think he found your stash |
| 03:00.52 | abrotman | dob1: debfoster ? |
| 03:00.53 | dob1 | abrotman: it returns a list of package that you can safely remove, similar to deborphan |
| 03:01.08 | maddash | abrotman: fuck you. i'm clean. |
| 03:01.10 | abrotman | dob1: it's debfoster .. but you have to do some initial setup with it IIRC |
| 03:01.23 | dob1 | abrotman: ok thanks i will try |
| 03:01.26 | abrotman | cause he took all your stuff! |
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| 03:01.51 | abrotman | dob1: it's useful if you have a known set of packages you want .. but for just random cleaning .. deborphan is better IMO |
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| 03:02.26 | dob1 | abrotman: just to clean the installation, i have a lot of packages installed and i don't remember of them :) |
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| 03:02.45 | abrotman | dob1: did you try deborphan -a ? (don't feed that to xargs .. EVER) |
| 03:03.40 | dob1 | abrotman: yes but the list included some package that i want to keep |
| 03:04.00 | abrotman | dob1: i just open another term and start with a bunch of cut/paste |
| 03:04.37 | dob1 | abrotman: there is not a gui for it ? i can use synaptic (never used it) ? |
| 03:04.52 | dob1 | cut and paste is not very friendly in this case :) |
| 03:04.52 | abrotman | i odn't use synaptic .. dunno if it works with deborphan |
| 03:05.02 | abrotman | you also might want to try to use aptitude more |
| 03:05.23 | maddash | dob1: what's wrong with deborphan? |
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| 03:06.01 | delete[df] | centrx: i have source and i can compile? |
| 03:06.03 | abrotman | dob1: aptitude can keep track of what you installed to get a certain package running .. and once nothing depends on it .. it will magically remove it |
| 03:06.07 | dob1 | maddash: it's ok, but if i use, like abrotman said, deborphan -a, i have to cut/paste the packages that i want to remove, a bit boring, maybe a gui for it is better, just my opinion |
| 03:06.32 | dob1 | abrotman: how? when you install something? |
| 03:06.33 | feld_ | if i have a repo in my sources.list but that repo has a package that i dont want to use that repo for, how do i tell my system to never get that package from said repo? |
| 03:06.38 | abrotman | dob1: yep |
| 03:07.08 | dob1 | abrotman: so it's better it instead of apt-get install? |
| 03:07.14 | abrotman | feld_: you can hold the package .. or try pinning |
| 03:07.22 | abrotman | dob1: in most cases .. yes |
| 03:07.23 | delete[df] | centrx: how 2 move one dir in other dir |
| 03:07.24 | delete[df] | ? |
| 03:07.39 | delete[df] | bin/bin to /log ? |
| 03:07.43 | abrotman | !tell delete[df] about grounding |
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| 03:07.50 | centrx | delete[df], mv |
| 03:08.03 | dob1 | abrotman: i don't understand how it removes the package, automatically? |
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| 03:08.11 | delete[df] | Try `mv --help' for more information. |
| 03:08.14 | fuzan | ugh, this installer is maddening. |
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| 03:08.33 | centrx | !kill maddash |
| 03:08.48 | abrotman | dob1: it keeps track of what was auto-installed to satisfy dependencies for what you were really trying to install .. once the package isn't needed anymore .. aptitude will remove it |
| 03:08.52 | jair_11 | if I was disconnected and my nick name still saying the someone is still using it what command can I use to recover it or kill it and connect back again with it using irssi :( |
| 03:09.02 | delete[df] | centrx Try `mv --help' for more information. |
| 03:09.05 | centrx | jair_11 /nickserv help |
| 03:09.06 | abrotman | /msg nickserv help |
| 03:09.11 | dob1 | abrotman: oh ok, nice |
| 03:09.12 | centrx | delete[df], mv <source> <destination> |
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| 03:09.16 | jair_11 | centrx: Thanks |
| 03:09.44 | centrx | delete[df], see http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/~jbattat/computer/linuxReferenceCard.pdf |
| 03:09.51 | delete[df] | ok |
| 03:09.55 | delete[df] | tnx |
| 03:09.57 | SiliconViper | Wyzard, thanks for the tips. It was a routing issue, and it was much easier to set up that way. Thanks! |
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| 03:10.20 | threat_ | hey |
| 03:10.36 | threat_ | cyrus/master[17870]: about to exec /usr/sbin/tls_prun |
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| 03:10.47 | abrotman | is it there ? |
| 03:10.50 | threat_ | cyrus/master[22668]: can't exec /usr/sbin/tls_prune on schedule: Too many open files in system |
| 03:10.56 | waspius | anyone gonna help me with my webcam? |
| 03:11.14 | threat_ | I seem to get alot of tls_prune processes running, wtf |
| 03:11.20 | abrotman | threat_: too many files open! |
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| 03:11.23 | feld_ | abrotman: pinning worked perfectly |
| 03:11.27 | *** part/#debian feld_ (n=feld@206.230.110.113) |
| 03:11.36 | abrotman | !webcam |
| 03:11.36 | dpkg | well, webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 03:11.38 | threat_ | abrotman, yeah I know, but I can't figure out why it is opening up so many for |
| 03:11.53 | abrotman | it's IMAP/maildir ? |
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| 03:12.05 | threat_ | abrotman, cyrus IMAP |
| 03:12.08 | waspius | i checked that out but does not help |
| 03:12.12 | abrotman | threat_: i got that :) |
| 03:12.16 | threat_ | :) |
| 03:12.18 | fuzan | how does the debian installer suck so much after so many years? |
| 03:12.19 | threat_ | not maildir |
| 03:12.27 | abrotman | it's maildir-esque |
| 03:13.16 | threat_ | It is cyrus :) /var/spool/cyrus/mail |
| 03:13.19 | abrotman | fuzan: you are using the etch installer .. right ? |
| 03:13.26 | threat_ | cyru21 |
| 03:13.28 | threat_ | cyrus21 |
| 03:14.57 | thingfish | fuzan: what - simple and easy is not good for you? |
| 03:15.40 | abrotman | threat_: cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr |
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| 03:17.07 | qiyong | is there any way to check file integrity? |
| 03:17.07 | threat_ | abchirk, I rebooted about 20minutes ago --> 1525 0 24608 |
| 03:17.10 | abrotman | or lsof | grep <username> |
| 03:17.14 | threat_ | abchirk == abrotman |
| 03:17.21 | fuzan | thingfish: more like simple and retarded. grub fails, it can't detect the swap device |
| 03:17.24 | abrotman | threat_: he gets my stuff all the time :) |
| 03:17.29 | abrotman | threat_: lsof | wc -l |
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| 03:17.41 | fuzan | thingfish: and i can't even manually perform grub-install |
| 03:17.49 | fuzan | abrotman: i think so. i'm using the debian 4.0 NETINST |
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| 03:17.55 | threat_ | lsof | wc -l |
| 03:17.55 | threat_ | 2575 |
| 03:17.56 | abrotman | that's etch |
| 03:18.04 | abrotman | threat_: does that binary exist ? |
| 03:18.15 | threat_ | abrotman, what binary? lsof? |
| 03:18.16 | dwu | Gleep, seeing numbers bigger than 3 on version numbers now, it has been some time. |
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| 03:18.24 | abrotman | threat_: the one above .. that says it can't run |
| 03:18.35 | abrotman | dwu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:18.39 | thingfish | fuzan: why can't you manually run grub-install? |
| 03:18.46 | threat_ | oh |
| 03:18.47 | dwu | abrotman: This is me, yes. |
| 03:18.57 | abrotman | dwu: how ya doin'? :) |
| 03:19.15 | dwu | abrotman: Not bad, not bad. Headed in your direction in a few months, by the by :) |
| 03:19.25 | threat_ | abrotman, nup, not atm, but before I rebooted it had a few hundread of those processes running, it said defunct in ps aux |
| 03:19.26 | abrotman | dwu: why? |
| 03:19.26 | maddash | abrotman: when is aptitude inferior to apt-get? |
| 03:19.29 | fuzan | thingfish: that just executes the same easily-broken script that the debian install uses |
| 03:19.33 | abrotman | dwu: and anywhere actually good ? |
| 03:19.46 | dwu | abrotman: Do you not like this? We could have cheesesteaks! And yeah, I'm heading to Oregon. |
| 03:19.48 | threat_ | abrotman, atm I have alot of spamd processes running |
| 03:19.56 | abrotman | maddash: the other day aptitude -f wanted to remove a large chunk of my system .. apt-get -f just installed two |
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| 03:20.02 | abrotman | dwu: if you make it to my town .. yes! |
| 03:20.12 | abrotman | dwu: you're going to visit sng ? |
| 03:20.20 | dwu | abrotman: Yeah, ace, I'm trying to set up meet/greets with everyone I know there. |
| 03:20.28 | dwu | abrotman: Interning with him, actually :) |
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| 03:20.34 | abrotman | dwu: that's awesome! |
| 03:20.43 | seth1248 | I'm ussing the following: "ap2=$(iwlist eth2 scan|grep -i address)" to list the results into a variable. It works fine if there is only I result, but if there is more than 1 I get only the last result. How can I do this in cases of more than 1 result? |
| 03:20.43 | fuzan | which release is the debian 4.0 netinst going to end up installing? sarge, etch, or lenny? |
| 03:20.46 | dwu | abrotman: It is, yeah :) |
| 03:20.56 | dwu | fuzan: Etch, methinks. |
| 03:21.15 | seth1248 | fuzan: Yep, etch. |
| 03:21.16 | maddash | lenny |
| 03:21.18 | abrotman | dwu: maybe you'll even stay! .. instead of tore who keeps going back to his frozen wasteland :) |
| 03:21.21 | fuzan | dwu: so, the typical approach for using lenny is to upgrade to it ? |
| 03:21.28 | dwu | Quite. |
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| 03:21.48 | dwu | abrotman: It's only an internship for a while. I need to go back home after, but I won't -want- to. |
| 03:21.48 | abrotman | dwu: are you going to wander the country ? |
| 03:22.11 | dwu | abrotman: Not too much, since I have work, so I'm trying to figure out how far I can drive in a weekend :) |
| 03:22.22 | abrotman | dwu: ah .. not from oregon to philly :) |
| 03:22.32 | Hillview | hrm, is there a way I'm missing to update my sources.list so I can use aptitude? apparently the server I chose during install isn't available. |
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| 03:22.41 | abrotman | dwu: but you can certainly get around a bit .. like to seattle or north cali i suppose |
| 03:22.43 | dwu | abrotman: Yeah, would have to work that out somehow. |
| 03:22.58 | dwu | abrotman: well, there are bound to be some longer trips, just for fun. |
| 03:23.21 | abrotman | i'm due for a trip to the pacific NW ... i need to go to seattle for a few days to see a friend from Uni i haven't seen in about four years |
| 03:23.27 | dwu | Woot. |
| 03:23.35 | abrotman | he even got married and didn't tell anyone! |
| 03:23.47 | abrotman | well .. he told the girl |
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| 03:24.24 | abrotman | dwu: when does this begin ? |
| 03:24.31 | abrotman | in the autumn ? |
| 03:24.35 | dwu | seth1248: Do you actually need to do the whole thing as a variable? Why not just loop through the grep and do something with it directly? I'd attempt to help, but I can't tell what precisely you're doing. Pastebin the script you're using maybe? |
| 03:24.43 | dwu | abrotman: September, more or less. |
| 03:25.01 | tenzind | hi, I am using debian etch with the gnome desktop. I want to create a package to change the gnome logo that is displayed alongside the menu on gnome desktop. I found out that the image file is placed in /usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-logo-icon-transparent.png . Can some one point me in which package that image file is? |
| 03:25.11 | abrotman | dwu: xmas with snow! |
| 03:25.20 | dwu | abrotman: sng sez not likely. |
| 03:25.29 | abrotman | dwu: go somewhere they have snow .. like CO or ID |
| 03:25.42 | abrotman | dwu: we'll send you to visit my brother in denver :) |
| 03:25.55 | abrotman | (if he doesn't ship out to antarctica) |
| 03:26.19 | dwu | abrotman: Heh, we'll see. |
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| 03:26.39 | abrotman | and how long is it for ? six months or so ? |
| 03:26.48 | dwu | 4.5 months. |
| 03:26.53 | dwu | (Again, more or less. |
| 03:26.54 | dwu | ) |
| 03:27.21 | abrotman | should be enough time to get into trouble :) |
| 03:27.57 | qiyong | how is dovecot-sql.conf get included? explicitly? |
| 03:27.58 | seppuka78 | anyone know much about voyage? or is there a seperate chan for it? |
| 03:28.22 | dwu | tenzind: dpkg -S <filename> might work for you. |
| 03:28.31 | dwu | abrotman: I'm hoping ;) |
| 03:30.17 | tenzind | dwu: thanks ... |
| 03:30.24 | dwu | tenzind: Pleasure. |
| 03:31.15 | concept10 | gosh, why cant any app play quicktime? sometimes it works, sometimes not... |
| 03:31.27 | abrotman | totem does |
| 03:31.31 | abrotman | with w32codecs |
| 03:31.50 | concept10 | abrotman, in browser? |
| 03:32.09 | abrotman | with epiphany it does .. i think |
| 03:32.20 | abrotman | depends on the exact version of quicktime used |
| 03:32.29 | Fjordside | anyone here used vmware server with debian?, and can it beused without x on the server |
| 03:32.40 | concept10 | apple hates linux |
| 03:32.50 | dwu | ... heh. |
| 03:33.20 | Fjordside | the server running the hypervisor, and the connect the client from another station? |
| 03:33.28 | Fjordside | then* |
| 03:35.15 | seppuka78 | vmware without x , nope, I wish though |
| 03:35.21 | seppuka78 | it's kinda called vmware esx |
| 03:35.40 | seppuka78 | but then it's not on debian or anything else it's its own platform |
| 03:35.51 | concept10 | meh, ephiphany seg faults |
| 03:36.04 | PumpkinPie | oh man hard day at work today, I installed Ubungobo linux |
| 03:36.07 | PumpkinPie | first time |
| 03:36.23 | seppuka78 | anyone know the apt-get package name for j2me ? |
| 03:36.25 | dwu | ... it's not exactly difficult to do, despite the fact I keep abusing it for kicks :) |
| 03:36.28 | seppuka78 | i can't seem to find it |
| 03:36.29 | Fjordside | yeah i know esx server |
| 03:36.40 | threat_ | abrotman, anything you can think of that will stop a particular process hording file descriptors / opening too many files? perhaps a pam limit ? |
| 03:36.45 | Wyzard | Fjordside: VMware Server works fine in Debian |
| 03:36.47 | maddash | what's the difference between ip_queue and ipt_nfqueue? |
| 03:36.55 | seppuka78 | gotta have them scsi drives for the vmachines though :( |
| 03:36.56 | abrotman | threat_: you could up the file limit |
| 03:37.03 | seppuka78 | Wyzard: I agree, but you need X |
| 03:37.09 | Fjordside | Wyzard, but i want to run it in cli... |
| 03:37.09 | Wyzard | Fjordside: I've never run it on a machine without X, but I see no reason why it wouldn't work -- VMware itself is a daemon, and the X client is just that, a client |
| 03:37.26 | Fjordside | Wyzard, ok |
| 03:37.27 | Wyzard | Fjordside: You can just as easily run the client somewhere else and connect to the server over the network |
| 03:38.02 | PumpkinPie | anyone tried Ubungobo linux? |
| 03:38.17 | Hillview | need help fixing my sources.list please, the server I chose during install isn't working. is there a default US server I can point it at? |
| 03:38.49 | seppuka78 | Hillview: google that same question you asked |
| 03:39.21 | maddash | !debian mirrors |
| 03:39.22 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 03:39.40 | PumpkinPie | Hillview: try the config in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 03:39.49 | threat_ | abrotman, yeah, with pam right? |
| 03:39.53 | threat_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.57 | abrotman | i think so |
| 03:40.22 | jair | Hello guys, anyone knows how to send an email to myself using postfix but with the command sendmail, the bynari version ? |
| 03:40.28 | threat_ | great |
| 03:40.33 | Fjordside | anyone tested preformance of the free vmware and the free xen, comparison wise |
| 03:40.37 | Hillview | PumpkinPie, I will, thanks. I tried about three different ones from http://www.debian.org/mirror/list. |
| 03:41.09 | seppuka78 | !debian help |
| 03:41.09 | dpkg | Wel,, you've come to the right place, #debian :-) |
| 03:41.16 | Wyzard | Fjordside: Xen is said to have better performance, though I don't really know |
| 03:41.22 | Wyzard | Fjordside: but VMware is much more convenient to set up and use |
| 03:41.34 | seppuka78 | Wyzard: we use Xen in our shop |
| 03:41.37 | seppuka78 | it works well |
| 03:41.39 | threat_ | abrotman, hmmm, this looks interesting --> cyrus/master[17278]: set maximum file descriptors to 256/256 |
| 03:41.41 | jair | abrotman: is there a way I can send an email to myself to test using postfix, but with the command sendmail? |
| 03:41.52 | Wyzard | I use it too, on my router here at home |
| 03:41.55 | Fjordside | does the free xen run windoze? |
| 03:42.01 | abrotman | echo "blah" | mail you@yourserver.com |
| 03:42.01 | Wyzard | It works fine, but it's a lot more intricate to set up |
| 03:42.11 | Wyzard | Fjordside: Only if you have a processor with HVM support |
| 03:42.19 | Fjordside | ok |
| 03:42.42 | Wyzard | and I think it emulates a regular video card, the way VMware does before you install VMware Tools |
| 03:42.42 | jair | abrotman: this will be using the sendmail (binary) that comes with postfix? |
| 03:42.48 | Wyzard | I don't think there's a special accelerated video driver |
| 03:42.56 | abrotman | it should |
| 03:42.58 | jair | abrotman: I will test |
| 03:42.59 | Wyzard | though I haven't tried it so I could be wrong about that |
| 03:43.03 | jair | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:49.39 | threat_ | abrotman, I have another, seperate problem(on a different computer too). I cannot authenticate to saslauthd using PLAIN or LOGIN without first enabling TLS, you know of any options / config files I can change to allow un-encrypted authentication? |
| 03:49.39 | PumpkinPie | Hillview: if you're saying you tired a total of four mirrors and none worked.. I think you have other problems |
| 03:49.40 | abrotman | nope |
| 03:49.40 | threat_ | ok |
| 03:49.40 | Wyzard | threat_: You realize that's a bad idea, right? |
| 03:49.40 | threat_ | any one else can help me out with my sasl issue? |
| 03:49.40 | Hillview | PumpkinPie, I did, and I have connectivity with it. dns & I.P. that is.. |
| 03:49.40 | seth1248 | dwu: Looping through grep is what I'm looking to do. I have the following: http://sial.org/pbot/25342 . |
| 03:49.41 | threat_ | Wyzard, ummm not on localhost :) |
| 03:49.41 | dwu | seth1248: Cheers, I'll poke at it and see if I can't manage to work sh :) |
| 03:49.41 | threat_ | Wyzard, or were you refering to using saslauthd in the first place ;) |
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| 03:49.41 | Wyzard | threat_: Why would you need to authenticate to an MTA on localhost? |
| 03:49.41 | Wyzard | threat_: Generally it already knows who you are since you're logged in |
| 03:49.42 | PumpkinPie | Hillview: its more then likely a configuration problem but try that example config |
| 03:49.42 | jair | abrotman: echo "blah haha" | sendmail jair@pcguruji.com <====== this works instead ;) |
| 03:49.42 | jair | abrotman: Thank you |
| 03:49.42 | seth1248 | dwu: Thank's. |
| 03:49.42 | threat_ | Wyzard, cyrus :) |
| 03:49.42 | threat_ | Wyzard, authenticate using webmail program (squirrelmail) to IMAP server (cyrus) |
| 03:49.43 | Hillview | PumpkinPie, I will, ty.. If it doesn't do the trick I'll restart the install.. hate to need to dl the base again,though. |
| 03:49.44 | dwu | seth1248: Oh, that looks doable, try and see if http://sial.org/pbot/25343 works? |
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| 03:49.47 | PumpkinPie | why would he download the base from the internet |
| 03:50.07 | gpm | businesscard? |
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| 03:50.19 | Supaplex | because he can ;) |
| 03:50.21 | PumpkinPie | I doubt it I think hes just confused |
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| 03:51.03 | dwu | Heya Supaplex long time :) |
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| 03:52.23 | Supaplex | I have a managed switch configuration program that only runs in windows (not in wine - waaah). I know it's snmp driven. tcpdump is too incumbered with noise to understand. What options do I have for learning how this program manages the switch? And what can I use to manage it from the linux command line? |
| 03:52.35 | Supaplex | mainly for vlans. |
| 03:52.57 | dwu | grep, for tcpdump ;) *flee* |
| 03:53.54 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: best to use tcpdump and restrict it to packets going to and from the switch |
| 03:54.13 | abrotman | tcpreplay might help |
| 03:54.16 | dwu | Supaplex: eep! |
| 03:54.21 | dwu | Don! |
| 03:54.35 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: alternatively, you can play with snmpwalk to see what the MIB are supported by the switch, and then modulate them |
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| 03:54.58 | dwu | seth1248: Have I just broken (you|your machine|your script) horribly? |
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| 03:55.00 | Supaplex | humm never played with snmpwalk much. I have mib files for the switch though |
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| 03:56.23 | simonrvn | just gotta find the private community for writes, the public one for stats and such, see what versions it groks, and then you can starts sending it stuff via snmpset |
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| 03:57.28 | Supaplex | so in theory, it'll be manageable w/o eons of work. |
| 03:57.33 | Supaplex | w/o the win32 app. |
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| 04:04.01 | fuzan | i just installed debian, and it keeps asking me to insert the netinst cd when i install packages like sudo, what's up ? |
| 04:04.27 | abrotman | fuzan: comment out the source line |
| 04:04.28 | dondelelcaro | fuzan: you've got a cdrom source listed; remove it and it'll only install packages from the network. |
| 04:05.01 | fuzan | where's the source file located? |
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| 04:05.13 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:05.54 | abrotman | and a # is a comment |
| 04:06.22 | Supaplex | !tell fuzan -about sources.list |
| 04:06.54 | daeos | abrotman: i know this isn't a debian question..its a php question... do you know if debian's package for php has only 1 php.ini file? i made changes to the one i found that looked to be the right one but my changes didn't take effect immediately |
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| 04:07.16 | abrotman | daeos: there can be more than one .. find /etc/ -name php.ini |
| 04:08.31 | daeos | abrotman: yes i did that... and.. it seems i asked you after i fixed it, it seems that restarting apache did the fix.... althought some forums suggested that php takes the edits immediately... this seemed to need me to restart apache..thanks though |
| 04:08.41 | seth1248 | dwu: No, You haven't broken anything. It doesn't seem to work as I expected, but, nevertheless, it does work fine. |
| 04:08.47 | abrotman | daeos: yes .. restart apache |
| 04:09.05 | abrotman | or at least reload it |
| 04:09.07 | daeos | abrotman: forums told me not to |
| 04:09.11 | daeos | abrotman: but.. |
| 04:09.12 | abrotman | they lie! |
| 04:09.15 | daeos | abrotman: they lie |
| 04:09.16 | daeos | abrotman: yes |
| 04:09.30 | daeos | abrotman: as seen here http://www.bluehostforum.com/showthread.php?t=1437 |
| 04:09.48 | daeos | abrotman: unless this is specific to thier host |
| 04:09.52 | daeos | abrotman: but thanks |
| 04:10.24 | abrotman | daeos: and no attitude tonight! :) |
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| 04:10.34 | daeos | abrotman: AMAZING! |
| 04:10.44 | daeos | !award abrotman |
| 04:10.47 | daeos | .. |
| 04:10.50 | abrotman | !nopony daeos |
| 04:10.51 | dpkg | daeos: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
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| 04:10.54 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:10.56 | aboven | hi |
| 04:10.59 | daeos | !kudos abrotman |
| 04:11.01 | daeos | .. |
| 04:11.11 | aboven | i dont get the new nvidia drivers to work :( |
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| 04:11.11 | Supaplex | !pal daeos |
| 04:11.19 | daeos | haha |
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| 04:11.46 | daeos | !ty |
| 04:11.46 | dpkg | ty is, like, thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player, or the company that creates Beanie Babies(TM) |
| 04:11.50 | daeos | !ty abrotman |
| 04:11.52 | aboven | is it the drivers ?? |
| 04:12.17 | Supaplex | !tell aboven -about don't work |
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| 04:12.35 | aboven | the nvidia drivers i cant install them.. |
| 04:12.46 | abrotman | daeos: you and the bot dont' seem to mix :) |
| 04:12.51 | aboven | i reinstalled before for it fucked up |
| 04:12.56 | aboven | xorg.conf |
| 04:13.00 | Supaplex | aboven: what happens when you try? |
| 04:13.05 | Gigantic | Help! I am getting lots of trafic trough UDP and have no idea what it is |
| 04:13.10 | Gigantic | I am using iptraf |
| 04:13.16 | aboven | its not willing to install |
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| 04:13.24 | aboven | i do the sh |
| 04:13.26 | Supaplex | aboven: that's soo vague. |
| 04:13.39 | Gigantic | How can I know what is eating my connection? How can I see the programs? |
| 04:13.51 | aboven | could it be the drivers |
| 04:13.52 | abrotman | ARGH! |
| 04:13.53 | Supaplex | Gigantic: tcpdump? |
| 04:14.09 | Supaplex | aboven: a transcript would help. |
| 04:14.28 | aboven | transcript? |
| 04:14.35 | Supaplex | script (1) - make typescript of terminal session |
| 04:15.17 | dwu | seth1248: Oh :( But does it accomplish your purpose? If it does, I'll call it done ;) |
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| 04:18.17 | Shadda | Hey, weird problem. I'm running apache2 (from apt) and it's been working fine for weeks, today my connection started timing out, so I restarted apache (apache2 -k restart). Problem is, although it's clearly running, and I can telnet to port 80, I can't access the server in my browser (I get waiting for reply... indefinately) |
| 04:18.17 | Shadda | When I attempt to stop apache, I get httpd not running (no pid file) |
| 04:18.17 | Shadda | httpd (no pid file) not running rahter |
| 04:18.19 | Shadda | rather* bleh |
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| 04:18.39 | Gigantic | Supaplex: Thanks, Now how do I close a port? |
| 04:18.45 | Gigantic | UDP45228 |
| 04:19.10 | Gigantic | srry for asking but unce the problem is gone I'll read the man :| |
| 04:19.26 | Supaplex | !closing ports |
| 04:19.27 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 04:19.35 | dwu | Yay, greycat! |
| 04:19.54 | liable | haha |
| 04:21.02 | Ari0n | Gigantic: iptables -A INPUT -t tcp -i ethx --dport 45228 -j DROP <-- possible too *g* |
| 04:21.02 | Gigantic | Supaplex: :) |
| 04:21.02 | Gigantic | Ari0n: Thanks |
| 04:21.02 | Gigantic | Supaplex: Not n00b just not used to iptables |
| 04:21.03 | Supaplex | Gigantic: if you're receiving unwanted udp, there are only a few options. 1. quit pissing people off that can locate your ip. 2. drop udp packates at your interface so you don't reply with ICMP UDP PORT UNREACABLE message, 3. close the program accepting traffic on the port. |
| 04:26.24 | Gigantic | Supaplex: Point 3 is the problem, I dunno what it is |
| 04:26.25 | Supaplex | Gigantic: netstat -uan |
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| 04:26.25 | Supaplex | Gigantic: netstat -uanp |
| 04:26.25 | Gigantic | *fscking mlnet |
| 04:26.26 | Supaplex | Gigantic: what's that? |
| 04:26.26 | Gigantic | someone was using mlnet here (mldonkey) |
| 04:26.26 | Gigantic | * fiuf! |
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| 04:26.26 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 04:26.27 | Gigantic | Supaplex: Now all is pretty again |
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| 04:26.27 | Gigantic | Supaplex: It reminds me I have to go back to learn about iptables... :| |
| 04:26.27 | Supaplex | !tell Gigantic -about iptables |
| 04:26.27 | Supaplex | :} |
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| 04:26.28 | Gigantic | Supaplex: :) |
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| 04:26.39 | yoshio | !seen greycat |
| 04:26.40 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 72d 13h 15m 38s ago, saying: 'dpkg: factinfo any ideas'. |
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| 04:29.46 | dwu | :( |
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| 04:32.22 | yoshio | what does "<3" mean? |
| 04:32.42 | predder | It's ascii for a heart |
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| 04:33.05 | predder | so it can be interchanged with "love" or "i love you" or "i love it" |
| 04:33.26 | yoshio | ah |
| 04:33.30 | predder | in a nutshell I would say it's a show of affection for something |
| 04:33.39 | aacevedo | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 04:33.39 | aacevedo | aacevedo@mp3jms1:~/kdmtheme-1.1.3/kdmtheme-1.1.3$ |
| 04:33.43 | aacevedo | help please? |
| 04:33.50 | xyz123 | When do you think 2.6.22 will be available for unstable? |
| 04:34.06 | valdyn | xyz123: after its released |
| 04:34.07 | liable | xyz123: its not even a stable kernel yet |
| 04:34.34 | Supaplex | aacevedo: trying to backport? |
| 04:34.43 | seth1248 | dwu: Yes, it does work for the purpose. Thank You. |
| 04:34.51 | aacevedo | no trying to compile theme manager |
| 04:34.58 | Supaplex | aacevedo: what's wrong with 1.1.2-2 in etch? |
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| 04:35.20 | aacevedo | well i just wanted to install this one |
| 04:35.32 | xyz123 | liable, How long does the process from prepatch to stable take in average? Are we talking weeks or months? |
| 04:35.34 | Supaplex | !tell aacevedo -about simple sid backport |
| 04:36.05 | liable | xyz123: its rc3 now, so i wouldnt imagine too much longer |
| 04:36.12 | atealtha | I have sshd setup through openbsd-inetd but when trying to connect I get ssh_exchange_identification: Connection blosed by remote host. anyone know what I need to check? |
| 04:36.36 | atealtha | s/blosed/closed/ |
| 04:36.50 | atealtha | but you guys knew that |
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| 04:37.51 | Supaplex | atealtha: that's ssh -vvvv I take it? |
| 04:38.09 | Supaplex | atealtha: anything in the server logs? (or can you not login yet?) |
| 04:38.16 | atealtha | Supaplex: no just ssh <ip> |
| 04:38.36 | atealtha | Supaplex: I have access, just don't know which is the log file to look for |
| 04:38.43 | Supaplex | inetd has other possible restrictions, like hosts.allow/deny/etc |
| 04:38.59 | atealtha | I checked those as well |
| 04:38.59 | Supaplex | either /var/log/auth.log or /var/log/syslog |
| 04:39.17 | Supaplex | and why inetd? why not standalone? |
| 04:39.28 | atealtha | ahh this is strange |
| 04:39.34 | atealtha | it's trying to bind to 0.0.0.0 |
| 04:39.41 | Supaplex | that's normal. |
| 04:39.45 | unimatrix | means to all interfaces |
| 04:39.47 | Supaplex | 0.0.0.0 = all interfaces. |
| 04:39.58 | tiiiam | INETADDR_ANY |
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| 04:40.22 | slava_ | how do i force apt-get to reinstall a package? |
| 04:40.29 | atealtha | gonna give it a reboot, says address already in use (?) |
| 04:40.30 | Supaplex | apt-get install --reinstall foo |
| 04:40.34 | slava_ | Supaplex: thx |
| 04:40.44 | Supaplex | !reboot |
| 04:40.44 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
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| 04:40.56 | atealtha | yes yes I know |
| 04:40.59 | Supaplex | atealtha: netstat -tnap |
| 04:41.04 | atealtha | just a lazy way of responding |
| 04:41.11 | atealtha | Supaplex: on the server? |
| 04:41.29 | xyz123 | !qotd2 |
| 04:41.29 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 04:41.30 | Supaplex | which one said, address already in use? |
| 04:41.35 | atealtha | server |
| 04:41.43 | unimatrix | does sshd run via inetd and rcscript? |
| 04:41.56 | liable | as a daemon |
| 04:41.57 | atealtha | and yes, two listings, ports 21 and 22 (expected) with 0.0.0.0 |
| 04:42.01 | Supaplex | unimatrix: /etc/init.d/ssh /etc/default/ssh |
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| 04:42.22 | Supaplex | 21 = ftp 22 = ssh |
| 04:42.35 | slava_ | what does it mean when apt-get upgrade says some packages have been kept back? |
| 04:42.44 | atealtha | I made sure ssh is not running from rcscript |
| 04:42.51 | unimatrix | ok |
| 04:43.24 | Supaplex | atealtha: so is 22 bound by inetd or ssh? |
| 04:43.28 | slava_ | oh, dist-upgrade |
| 04:43.33 | atealtha | inetd |
| 04:43.43 | Supaplex | !tell slava_ -about sarge->etch |
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| 04:43.59 | Supaplex | atealtha: inetd.conf needs updated, then /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
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| 04:44.10 | atealtha | Supaplex: already did that |
| 04:44.35 | Supaplex | and netstat -tnlp says inetd still? |
| 04:44.44 | prodigy | Does anyone happen to know what the default login info for the Freespire livecd is? |
| 04:45.00 | Supaplex | sorry, -tnap shows connected ports to, which might entail a former/forked inetd that you're connected through |
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| 04:45.14 | atealtha | Supaplex: yup |
| 04:45.31 | atealtha | that's -tnlp |
| 04:45.37 | Supaplex | atealtha: egrep -i "(22|ssh)" /etc/inetd.conf |
| 04:46.13 | atealtha | there is no port # in the inetd.conf file |
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| 04:46.34 | Supaplex | well, you could /etc/init.d/inetd stop ; /etc/init.d/ssh start, if sshd is configured to run in standalone |
| 04:46.34 | atealtha | the line is: ssh stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/sshd |
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| 04:47.00 | Supaplex | atealtha: well it needs to be commented out, then restart inetd. |
| 04:47.16 | slava_ | oh man, i didn't realize apt-get upgrade would start upgrading my debian-stable to 4.0 :) |
| 04:47.25 | atealtha | hmm I didn't set sshd to be standalone though |
| 04:47.33 | atealtha | I didn't see anything like that in the conf file |
| 04:47.50 | Supaplex | atealtha: let's try it anyway, to isolate if inetd is the cause |
| 04:47.52 | yoshio | slava_: your /etc/apt/sources.list lists "stable" instead of "sarge"? |
| 04:48.08 | slava_ | yes |
| 04:48.29 | dimm0k | is it possible to patch the kernel so that usb_storage doesn't recognize the apple iPod? |
| 04:48.54 | atealtha | Supaplex: sshd standalone works |
| 04:48.59 | Supaplex | dimm0k: maybe with udev rules. what do you want the ipod to do? |
| 04:49.30 | lymeca | I have a file called 'database.sql' that I want to install into mysql |
| 04:49.33 | yoshio | slava: be sure to upgrade to kernel 2.6 before doing a dist-upgrade, some people had problems when they used the 2.4 kernel and dist-upgraded |
| 04:49.37 | lymeca | What's the best way of doing this? |
| 04:49.50 | dimm0k | Supaplex, i was thinking of udev rules... but i dunno if it's possible... right now i have USB HDs that need to be connected so usb_storage is already loaded |
| 04:50.07 | Supaplex | lymeca: mysql -u <user> -p <database> < file.sql - most likely... |
| 04:50.17 | alaya | lymeca: mysql -u username database < database.sql |
| 04:50.22 | slava | yoshio: i'm already on 2.6 |
| 04:50.26 | dimm0k | Supaplex, apparently for vmware to connect to the ipod when i connect it, usb_storage can't load |
| 04:50.35 | Supaplex | dimm0k: the ipod identifier should be unique enough to signal udev to ignore it. |
| 04:51.42 | dimm0k | Supaplex, that is true... so udev is enough to have the usb_storage ignore the ipod? |
| 04:53.48 | Supaplex | dimm0k: I would expect so |
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| 04:54.43 | atealtha | Supaplex: so standalone ssh works fine, got any ideas? |
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| 04:54.56 | Supaplex | atealtha: use standalone :P |
| 04:55.15 | atealtha | Supaplex: yeah gonna use that for now |
| 04:55.27 | atealtha | inetd just feels better, this nox is just for myself |
| 04:55.29 | atealtha | box |
| 04:55.29 | Supaplex | atealtha: dpkg -L openbsd-inetd |
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| 04:57.35 | GaiaX11 | Why is that evolution does not send or recive mail? Everything is setup correct here :-( |
| 04:57.54 | GaiaX11 | I mean Gmail |
| 04:58.03 | tiiiam | spellchecking doesn't seem to work anywhere, any suggestions? |
| 04:58.55 | tiiiam | GaiaX11: make sure you enable it in your gmail settings |
| 04:59.11 | GaiaX11 | tiiiam: it is ok there |
| 04:59.18 | atealtha | gonna go now. Supaplex thanks for all your help |
| 04:59.43 | Supaplex | np |
| 05:00.20 | tiiiam | GaiaX11: one thing that tripped me up is that the pop server wants a name w/o @gmail.com |
| 05:00.29 | tiiiam | GaiaX11: and the smtp wants a name with @gmail.com |
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| 05:02.06 | somian[0] | Hellllo. |
| 05:02.43 | Supaplex | aye' |
| 05:03.10 | somian[0] | I'm running etch (just newly installed). I'd like to try out ntfs rw support. Is there a good backport of the needed FUSE version and ntfs-3g to etch? |
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| 05:03.35 | liable | bye bye waiterbot |
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| 05:04.14 | dondelelcaro | somian[0]: if someone has done it, it should be on backports.org |
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| 05:04.30 | somian[0] | I shall check. |
| 05:04.44 | dondelelcaro | (well, if someone who is a developer, anyway) |
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| 05:05.19 | Supaplex | otherwise, /query dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 05:08.47 | lymeca | Supaplex, alaya: I ran "mysql -u root -p BLAH < database.sql" and entered in the password correctly, but I get the outpur error "ERROR 1049 (42000): Unknown database 'BLAH'"... does this mean I must create the db first before importing the database.sql file I have? |
| 05:09.23 | Supaplex | lymeca: that's the idea. |
| 05:09.48 | Supaplex | sometimes the sql script will do that, but with this error, it's pretty easy to figure out that didn't happen yet. :) |
| 05:10.02 | lymeca | Supaplex: How do I create a db with the name 'BLAH' then? It's non-obvious from the output of 'mysql --help' unless I'm being completely oblivious. |
| 05:11.34 | Ari0n | mysql -u root -p pw < echo "create database 'name';" |
| 05:12.56 | somian[0] | Hrrrm. $ apt-get -t etch-backports install 'ntfs-3g' ..... |
| 05:13.03 | somian[0] | ... "Cannot find package ..." |
| 05:13.10 | somian[0] | Wassa? |
| 05:13.12 | Supaplex | !ntfs-3g |
| 05:13.12 | dpkg | i heard ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs>, <backports> (in sarge-backports) |
| 05:13.50 | Supaplex | somian[0]: grok the last word in dpkgs' factoid :) |
| 05:14.37 | lymeca | Ari0n: -bash: echo: No such file or directory |
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| 05:14.40 | somian[0] | sarge-backports? |
| 05:14.46 | Supaplex | that's right. |
| 05:14.51 | somian[0] | Help me grok. There's no etch backport? |
| 05:14.57 | Supaplex | correct. |
| 05:15.02 | somian[0] | Suckage! |
| 05:15.08 | Supaplex | !sucks |
| 05:15.08 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? |
| 05:15.10 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 05:15.12 | tenzind | hi .. i have a partition /dev/sda1 with ext3 file system mounted on ~/work/. my / file system is /dev/sda3. The problem is i cant execute scripts or any other executables that are on the /dev/sda1 partition. What myight be the problem? |
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| 05:15.37 | Supaplex | tenzind: noexec in /etc/fstab or -o options... |
| 05:15.38 | somian[0] | How bad is it to try to install a Sarge backport to a Etch machine? |
| 05:16.24 | Supaplex | somian[0]: it seems to work so far. it should only pull in that and a few dependencies. |
| 05:16.31 | tenzind | Supaplex: the line in /etc/fstab says : /dev/sda1 /home/tenzin/work ext3 defaults,user 0 1 |
| 05:16.49 | Supaplex | tenzind: did you mount it as a user? |
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| 05:17.07 | maxamillion | does lenny support python 2.5? |
| 05:17.12 | tenzind | Supaplex: it gets mounted while booting |
| 05:17.16 | Supaplex | maxamillion: packages.debian.org |
| 05:17.24 | maxamillion | Supaplex: i'm there, doesn't specify |
| 05:17.33 | maxamillion | Supaplex: just says package "python" |
| 05:17.41 | maxamillion | Supaplex: wait, nvm ... i fail |
| 05:17.44 | maxamillion | Supaplex: thanks |
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| 05:17.47 | Ari0n | lymeca: then just login the mysql command line and create by hand: create database 'name'; |
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| 05:18.32 | Supaplex | tenzind: type mount on the shell, and see what options are live. |
| 05:18.38 | tenzind | Supaplex: how should i change the line in /etc/fstab? |
| 05:18.59 | Supaplex | tenzind: I'd wipe out the user option. |
| 05:19.02 | somian[0] | Sounds worth trying then, Supaplex |
| 05:19.03 | lymeca | Ari0n: Ohh, I had to remove the single quotes |
| 05:19.07 | Supaplex | odd option for ext2/3 |
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| 05:21.09 | somian[0] | tenzind: did you really mean to say that that mount should be owned by some non-root user? |
| 05:22.00 | tenzind | somian[0]: yes, i mean i wanted to have write permission while logged in as someone not root |
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| 05:22.27 | seth1248 | Is it possible to setup my nfs /etc/exports to export to a mac address instead of an ip address? |
| 05:23.21 | somian[0] | tenzind: try the uid=<your $UID> option in fstab then -- i am guessing / aSSuming that ext2/3 supports that. |
| 05:24.27 | somian[0] | Hrrm! Still cannot find the 'ntfs-3g' package, even with sarge backports added to sources.list, and apt-get update run! |
| 05:24.27 | tenzind | somian[0], Supaplex: So i want it to be automounted with write permission for non-root users and be able to execute things on that partition. Now how can i accomplisj that? |
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| 05:24.59 | somian[0] | Set gid for the group of non-root users. and things ought to be exec-able by default, TTBOMK. |
| 05:25.28 | somian[0] | Don't leave your mount with world-writable perms anyhow, ecccch |
| 05:25.37 | aboven | Anyknow how i do so i dont need to use the CD when i install over apt-get install? |
| 05:27.56 | somian[0] | Read that mount (8) manpage, ol' boy |
| 05:28.28 | tenzind | somian[0], Supaplex: thanks for the help ... |
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| 05:29.42 | somian[0] | My bad, Supaplex -- I misedited the sources.list file |
| 05:29.59 | somian[0] | So once update has run it ought to work. |
| 05:30.42 | shadey__ | is there any reason why apt outputs "Could not resolve âdownload.mirror.ac.ukâ" but when I go there manually it seemes to be up |
| 05:30.46 | Supaplex | np guys. :) - somian[0] tenzind etc. |
| 05:31.06 | Supaplex | aboven: edit /etc/apt/sources.list - commentout the cd lines. |
| 05:31.11 | Supaplex | !tell aboven -about sources.list |
| 05:31.47 | Supaplex | shadey__: what's with the funny a charaters padding the hostname? |
| 05:32.07 | shadey__ | not sure actually... but it's not like that in the sources.list file |
| 05:32.54 | Supaplex | interesting. |
| 05:33.02 | shadey__ | i have been having those funny character pads a lot with my ssh sessions though |
| 05:33.14 | aboven | Supaplex, pm |
| 05:33.35 | shadey__ | it only seems to be on output and usually doesn't cause problems though |
| 05:33.36 | Supaplex | aboven: uh your flood triggered ignore. |
| 05:34.23 | Supaplex | aboven: what part of "edit /etc/apt/sources.list - commentout the cd lines." doesn't compute? |
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| 05:35.00 | aboven | ? |
| 05:35.14 | Supaplex | shadey__: try looking at it with hd. hd < /etc/apt/sources.list | less - and see if non spaces are present near the hostname. |
| 05:35.29 | aboven | http://paste.debian.net/29586 |
| 05:35.41 | Supaplex | aboven: do you know how to edit sources.list with a text editor? |
| 05:35.54 | aboven | yes i do |
| 05:35.56 | aboven | gedit ftw |
| 05:36.04 | Supaplex | see the cdrom lines? |
| 05:36.14 | Supaplex | put a hash mark at the begining of the line. |
| 05:36.14 | aboven | yes |
| 05:36.20 | gpm | # |
| 05:36.23 | Supaplex | # blah blah ignore me. |
| 05:36.27 | aboven | ok |
| 05:36.33 | aboven | remove them also |
| 05:36.41 | Supaplex | huh? |
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| 05:37.02 | shadey__ | seems to be fine |
| 05:37.12 | aboven | should iremove # |
| 05:37.30 | aboven | should iremove * |
| 05:37.34 | aboven | should i remove * |
| 05:37.38 | aboven | gah :p |
| 05:38.05 | aboven | Supaplex, send me a paste |
| 05:38.06 | Supaplex | no, lines that start with "#" are ignored. |
| 05:38.21 | aboven | kinda tierd :P |
| 05:38.30 | Supaplex | I use elinks, I'm not pasting %$*@$( for anyone. |
| 05:38.40 | Supaplex | nor am i starting X kthx. |
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| 05:39.55 | aboven | http://paste.debian.net/29587 |
| 05:39.59 | aboven | now its so |
| 05:40.04 | Supaplex | Avochelm: cd /etc/apt ; grep -iv cdrom sources.list > sources.list.new && mv -i sources.list.new sources.list |
| 05:40.29 | Supaplex | looks ok here. |
| 05:40.47 | aboven | should it be so? |
| 05:40.55 | Supaplex | try it and see |
| 05:41.10 | aboven | lets see .. dunno what to install :P |
| 05:41.56 | Supaplex | history | grep [a]pt | less |
| 05:43.30 | somian[0] | Here's s'th different: 'Jun 4 01:02:48 localhost kernel: ACPI Exception (dswexec-0458): AE_TIME, While resolving operands for [OpcodeName unavailable] [20060707]" |
| 05:43.53 | somian[0] | That's again, running etch, kernel 2.6.18-4 |
| 05:44.40 | Supaplex | I love to hate acpi=off but sometimes it's the only way. |
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| 05:45.19 | resudaed | anyone about to answer a very quick question? |
| 05:45.40 | resudaed | rE: software raid |
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| 05:46.06 | Supaplex | it won't be very quick if you wait for us to guess what your question is |
| 05:46.24 | resudaed | :-), was wondering if anyone was up |
| 05:46.29 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 05:46.30 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 05:46.38 | Supaplex | !seen anyone |
| 05:46.38 | dpkg | anyone <n=jetscrea@cpe-24-167-0-197.houston.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 71d 6h 40m 30s ago, saying: 'yes'. |
| 05:46.58 | aboven | its works Supaplex |
| 05:46.58 | Supaplex | nope, he died 71d ago. |
| 05:46.58 | Supaplex | aboven: cool |
| 05:47.11 | resudaed | ok, I have created a level 5 array containing 4x 73G disks |
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| 05:47.27 | karsten | resudaed: "level 5"? RAID 5 perhaps? |
| 05:47.49 | resudaed | karsten : that'd be the one |
| 05:48.11 | resudaed | but I am confused by /proc/mdstats output |
| 05:48.23 | resudaed | it is showing [UUU_] |
| 05:48.31 | karsten | resudaed: HW or SW raid? |
| 05:48.37 | resudaed | karsten : SW |
| 05:49.21 | resudaed | I thought that UUU_ meant that only three of the disks were present/functioning |
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| 05:50.13 | resudaed | every example of mdstat I can find (showing a working array) shows all U's |
| 05:50.28 | Supaplex | maybe you didn't start them? |
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| 05:50.37 | mhall | Does anybody know how to enable themes in the packages such as openoffice.org-style-crystal? I can't figure out where you might select from the different installed ones... |
| 05:50.53 | resudaed | it's started, and running, and usable |
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| 05:51.51 | karsten | resudaed: Not sure, I don't play SW RAID. |
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| 05:52.07 | resudaed | just wondered if anyone in here understood sw raid 5 enough to know how it behaves in the first few hours of its life, and if this behaviour is normal |
| 05:52.14 | mhall | resudaed: 976783360 blocks super 1.0 level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/5] [UUUUU] |
| 05:52.35 | resudaed | karsten : worthwhile hw raid is slightly out of my budget for home use |
| 05:53.08 | resudaed | mhall : that's what I'm aiming at, just don't want to wait 4 hours for it to finish catching up |
| 05:53.17 | mhall | resudaed: i came in in the middle of this |
| 05:53.23 | mhall | resudaed: can you explain |
| 05:53.44 | resudaed | mhall : I have just created the array (4 disks) and it is showing [UUU_] |
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| 05:54.40 | cafuego | 155274112 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/3] [UUU] |
| 05:54.58 | somian[0] | Dang, Supaplex! It WORKS. THANK YOU. |
| 05:55.31 | somian[0] | I had to reboot to get the old mount cleared. But now I have rw ntfs, heh! |
| 05:55.35 | mhall | resudaed: hmm that is a bit odd |
| 05:55.40 | mhall | resudaed: how did you create it? |
| 05:55.46 | cafuego | resudaed: I have 3 disks on use and one hot-spare. I killed a disk by setting it as failed and the hotspare took over happily. |
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| 05:57.40 | mhall | cafuego: ive been very happy with MD |
| 05:57.48 | mhall | cafuego: much easier to manage than HW raid |
| 05:59.02 | resudaed | mhall : mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=5 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sd[cdef]1 |
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| 06:00.18 | resudaed | mhall : from mdstat: |
| 06:00.24 | resudaed | md1 : active raid5 sdf1[4] sde1[2] sdd1[1] sdc1[0] |
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| 06:00.34 | resudaed | 215045760 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/3] [UUU_] |
| 06:00.44 | resudaed | [>....................] recovery = 0.0% (23040/71681920) finish=258.5min speed=4608K/sec |
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| 06:02.06 | h1deki | i wouldnt agree how easy it is using sw raid than hw |
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| 06:03.29 | cafuego | estevao: The _ is because the last disk is rebuilding. |
| 06:03.43 | cafuego | resudaed even |
| 06:03.45 | mhall | cafuego: but the array is new |
| 06:03.54 | cafuego | mhall: So? |
| 06:03.56 | mhall | cafuego: do you have to make the checksum parity on a new array? |
| 06:04.02 | resudaed | cafuego : shouldn't all the disks be recovering? |
| 06:04.06 | cafuego | mhall: it still needs to calculate the XORs :-) |
| 06:04.07 | mhall | cafuego: seems sorta weird... i dont remember mine doing that |
| 06:04.15 | mhall | cafuego: fair enough i probably just forgot |
| 06:04.30 | mhall | resudaed: one thing i noticed |
| 06:04.50 | cafuego | resudaed: You may also want to run 'sysctl -w dev.raid.speed_limit_min=25000' or somesuch (and set it in /etc/sysctl.conf) |
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| 06:05.24 | mhall | resudaed: i think even if you have drives like sda sdb sdc sdd sde and you pull out sdb the status line will still be UUUU_ not U_UUU |
| 06:05.27 | cafuego | resudaed: Did you do reboot with the array earlier today? |
| 06:05.31 | resudaed | cafuego : not sure what the bus/disks are capable of |
| 06:05.38 | mhall | resudaed: i think i ran into this funny behavior once before |
| 06:05.53 | cafuego | resudaed: 25000 is easily doable by ATA66 |
| 06:06.19 | mhall | cafuego: why does it limit the speed? cpu load stability? |
| 06:06.31 | mhall | cafuego: or to prevent other IOs from getting beat up |
| 06:06.37 | resudaed | cafuego : its 4 external disks on the same scsi chain as the internal (/) disks |
| 06:06.56 | cafuego | mhall: probably to not hit other IO too hard |
| 06:07.04 | mhall | resudaed: what kind of SCSI? 160/320/SAS/...? |
| 06:07.08 | cafuego | mhall: or maybe the cpu |
| 06:07.18 | mhall | cafuego: maybe even ram or cache |
| 06:07.21 | cafuego | mhall: .. after all, the xoring is done by main cpu. |
| 06:07.29 | mhall | cafuego: i didn't realize it did that limit |
| 06:07.36 | cafuego | but I'd rather have my damn array in order and be a tad slower in the mean time. |
| 06:07.37 | resudaed | mhall : the disks are 160, but I'm not sure about the controller |
| 06:07.45 | mhall | cafuego: are there any other interesting tuning tricks / hacks / docs |
| 06:07.55 | mhall | resudaed: hmm might look it up in the dmesg prinout |
| 06:08.07 | mhall | cafuego: sounds like you found a couple tricks i didnt |
| 06:08.09 | cafuego | mhall: Mind you, there's 3 disks and I don't notice desktop responsiveness issues during a rebuild with th limit that high. |
| 06:08.27 | cafuego | mhall: that's the only one I know of <heh> google was my friend. |
| 06:09.13 | cafuego | there's a speed_limit_max too if you're worried about hammering io |
| 06:09.18 | resudaed | the whole set up seems a lot slower on this controller than ont he one I played with orrigionally (random pci card on a pc) |
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| 06:09.35 | cafuego | mhall: Apparently you can also help by changing chunk size, but I have no idea or data on what to change it to in what kinds of situations. |
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| 06:10.44 | resudaed | well, all 4 disks are getting treatment, so I can only assume they'll all come up once it's finished building |
| 06:11.04 | resudaed | might throw an fs on there and get the whole thing live |
| 06:11.31 | resudaed | just hoping I can get >22.5MB/s off of it once it's finshed |
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| 06:11.58 | mhall | cafuego: i have dual opteron 246 |
| 06:12.04 | Caelum | any way to automatically upgrade packages if the only reason they're held back is that they require extra packages to be installed? |
| 06:12.09 | mhall | resudaed: should be a nobrainer on that speed |
| 06:12.12 | cafuego | mhall: mine's a single amd64 3000+ |
| 06:12.14 | mhall | resudaed: i think i got 60 |
| 06:12.20 | mhall | cafuego: cool |
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| 06:12.40 | cafuego | I manage 60; the array is 2 old 80GB ATA100 diska and a newerish sata 150 one. |
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| 06:13.13 | cafuego | On my crusty old cpu it's limited by the disks, not the cpu. |
| 06:13.25 | resudaed | mhall : it's on an ultra2 hooked up to a 4x100 bonded ethernet to an ultra 5 on 1000MBit to the rest of the network |
| 06:14.52 | dwu | \o/ |
| 06:15.40 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: use aptitude. It's quite adept at figuring that sort of thing out. |
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| 06:16.48 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: an aptitude; u U g g; generally resolves these sorts of things quite well. |
| 06:16.50 | mhall | actually now that i think of it i think i actually got 90 |
| 06:16.51 | mhall | whatever it was |
| 06:16.52 | mhall | fuckin fast |
| 06:16.56 | mhall | all sata2 ncq |
| 06:17.14 | cafuego | the ncq works ok? What controller do you have? |
| 06:17.21 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: cool! thank you |
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| 06:20.04 | mhall | cafuego: nvidia nforce 4 pro |
| 06:20.13 | mhall | cafuego: im not sure if i ever enabled the ncq though |
| 06:20.24 | mhall | cafuego: at the time i made the box it was pretty new feature still |
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| 06:22.02 | mhall | Normally mdadm will not allow creation of an array with only one device, |
| 06:22.02 | mhall | and will try to create a raid5 array with one missing drive (as this |
| 06:22.03 | mhall | makes the initial resync work faster). |
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| 06:23.47 | dondelelcaro | well, mdadm will, you just have to create it in degraded mode. |
| 06:24.30 | mhall | dondelelcaro: right i was quoting from the section on --force to explain that the resync on create was apparently officially expected behavior |
| 06:24.51 | dondelelcaro | oh; yeah, resync is pretty much required |
| 06:25.33 | resudaed | anyone suggest a tool for testing bandwidth between two hosts? |
| 06:26.00 | mhall | resudaed: bing |
| 06:26.05 | mhall | resudaed: file xfer |
| 06:26.06 | dwu | bing! |
| 06:26.35 | mhall | resudaed: netcat udp mode and time command on read of known size from /dev/null |
| 06:26.50 | mhall | resudaed: with write to remote node |
| 06:27.01 | resudaed | gonna play with bing |
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| 06:27.54 | endra | Hey |
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| 06:28.03 | endra | My computer freezes when KDE opens up and says 'initializing system services' |
| 06:28.09 | endra | It completely freezes, not even num lock works. Any idea why |
| 06:28.17 | endra | Of course not, but.. do you know how I can proceed to fix it |
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| 06:28.42 | lymeca | Whats is the mysql command for deleting a database? |
| 06:29.06 | eat_life | drop |
| 06:29.28 | mhall | endra: seen that before |
| 06:29.36 | mhall | endra: tough to deal with |
| 06:29.45 | mhall | endra: kept trying to get answers, never got too far |
| 06:29.54 | mhall | endra: sometimes kbuildsycoca can help |
| 06:29.54 | endra | And your solution was.. re-install? |
| 06:30.35 | mhall | endra: maybe reinstalling the whole box would work but purging and reinstalling kde only didnt do the job for me |
| 06:30.58 | mhall | endra: sometimes i had to wait it out for updated packages, you can also try moving ~/.kde aside to ~/.edk or something |
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| 06:31.09 | mhall | endra: delete any X temp files in ~/.* |
| 06:31.17 | mhall | endra: and delete any X temp files in /tmp |
| 06:31.24 | mhall | endra: sometimes that helps also |
| 06:31.26 | resudaed | eww, 48% packet loss, don't think that bondage session is working too well |
| 06:31.44 | mhall | endra: then do a search from the root of the drive for any dirs and files your user owns |
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| 06:31.58 | mhall | endra: look for any other jumk X temp files you can blast |
| 06:31.59 | endra | How can I grab the 'last' reboot dmesg? |
| 06:32.03 | endra | Perhaps I can find a reason? |
| 06:32.03 | mhall | endra: junk* |
| 06:32.14 | mhall | endra: no dmesg only works if its a kernel fuckup |
| 06:32.20 | mhall | endra: this problem is only kdes problem |
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| 06:32.30 | endra | It seems to be, nothing replies, not even num lock/caps lock |
| 06:32.42 | endra | Or.. is that stuff in KDE? |
| 06:32.50 | mhall | endra: ya i dunno if thats related cause i didnt try those when it happened to me |
| 06:32.54 | endra | Usually num lock/caps lock/hardware have higher priority |
| 06:32.59 | mhall | endra: id be curious what ctrl-alt-bksp does |
| 06:33.12 | endra | I will go hook the machine back up. Be right back. |
| 06:33.26 | mhall | endra: when *that* keystroke doesnt work in X, then i get worried |
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| 06:35.47 | resudaed | one last quick question then, how do I create a raid 1 with existing data? |
| 06:35.47 | endra | At bootup, I get alot of 'boot-clean: failure cleaning /var/run |
| 06:36.11 | endra | And something about reiserfs_read_clean_inode_clean or something. |
| 06:36.38 | mhall | resudaed: not sure you can |
| 06:36.51 | mhall | resudaed: unless you go for a non-superblock raid... those are dangerous too |
| 06:37.08 | endra | Hmm |
| 06:37.14 | mhall | endra: ouch reiser is bad news |
| 06:37.14 | endra | It just got passed initializing system services.. |
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| 06:37.26 | endra | You think it heard us contemplating? |
| 06:37.34 | mhall | endra: good point... sometimes you can wait it out... forget to mention that |
| 06:37.38 | enouf | endra: is your / FS reiser? |
| 06:38.04 | Supaplex | I'd like to use a debian package (for my servers) to create a few calculated lines in /etc/fstab, and replace some config files in other packages. (eg, zabbix, eventually nagios) what's the best way to approach this? What options do I have that will cause the little/no contention? |
| 06:38.04 | endra | My / is reiserfs, and /boot is ext2 |
| 06:38.05 | mhall | endra: question from that point is that it might get better next time through if that was the first time |
| 06:38.09 | enouf | endra: try a shutdown -rF now |
| 06:38.11 | mhall | endra: then you are OK otherwise youll have to keep diagnosing |
| 06:38.15 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: replacing other packages configuration files in debian packages is frowned upon, but for private packages, it can be done. |
| 06:38.31 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: I'd suggest using ucf and/or the postinst script to do what you want to do. |
| 06:38.38 | endra | shutdown -rF or just from KDE menu.. |
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| 06:38.47 | Supaplex | ucf? |
| 06:38.47 | resudaed | mhall : what about creating the raid on the blank disk with the other disk marked as faulty, copy over the data, reboot in to the array, and condition the orrigional disk and let it recover from the copy? |
| 06:38.54 | enouf | endra: from a console |
| 06:39.10 | dondelelcaro | !ucf |
| 06:39.14 | resudaed | and that was a very interesting spelling of original |
| 06:39.17 | Supaplex | tried that :) |
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| 06:40.14 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: ucf is <reply> ucf, or Update Configuration File, is a framework used by packages to allow intelligent merging of modified configuration files with maintainer changes in postinst scripts. See apt-cache show ucf; or /usr/share/doc/ucf/ for more information. |
| 06:40.15 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 06:40.39 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: ahh cool. that's safe to use on /etc/fstab right? |
| 06:41.11 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: if /etc/fstab is constant amongst a large number of boxes, yes... if not, I'd just use a postinst script to append an entry to fstab if it's not already there. |
| 06:42.45 | Supaplex | ok. spiffy. eventually installing new boxes will just get faster. add my repo, install a few private packages, and lots of everything else comes into town. :) |
| 06:44.17 | endra | enouf, mhall: http://pastebin.ca/535909 |
| 06:45.06 | endra | It's actually near the end where you see all the errors. |
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| 06:45.42 | endra | This is after doing shutdown -rF now |
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| 06:46.37 | mhall | endra: im going with... that fs is @#$%ed |
| 06:46.51 | endra | hugged? |
| 06:47.40 | enouf | endra: look like some reiserfs issues do a; apt-get update && apt-cache search reiserfs, then install "reiserfsprogs" - User-level tools for ReiserFS filesystems -- hit the man pages for reiserfsck and reisrfstune |
| 06:47.52 | resudaed | right, well I'm off to be now, got to be at work in <7 hours |
| 06:48.15 | endra | I'm running Lenny on it for some reason. Is that okay? |
| 06:48.18 | resudaed | thanks for your help |
| 06:48.25 | endra | I don't think it'd be the cause of problems though |
| 06:49.10 | endra | I don't even recall setting up lenny. |
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| 06:53.19 | merlincorey | goodnight guys |
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| 06:53.43 | rainbyte | jajajaj |
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| 06:56.47 | qiyong | any1 know the vpopmail password encoding? |
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| 06:58.09 | al_islam | hi nedko |
| 06:58.59 | rmrfchik | wow... |
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| 06:59.13 | rmrfchik | while installing new kernel: |
| 06:59.15 | rmrfchik | Using mkinitrd.yaird to build the ramdisk. |
| 06:59.15 | rmrfchik | yaird error: unrecognised line in /proc/bus/input/devices: U: Uniq= (fatal) |
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| 07:00.39 | al_islam | hi nedko |
| 07:01.09 | al_islam | hi |
| 07:01.28 | nvz | al_islam: do you have a debian related issue? |
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| 07:02.12 | endra | aneekak ya ayre |
| 07:02.26 | keram | what repo is john the ripper in? |
| 07:04.04 | fuzan | does anyone have David Turner's freetype/xft/etc. patches hosted for lenny? |
| 07:04.19 | streuner | !tell keram about search |
| 07:05.45 | endra | Hey |
| 07:05.58 | keram | i dont see it when i search for it :/ |
| 07:05.59 | endra | How do I know if the install cd is the etch stable |
| 07:06.13 | endra | I see here debian-40r0-i386-netinst ? |
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| 07:07.37 | keram | i dont even see it on packages.debian.org |
| 07:07.43 | nvz | endra: 4.0 is etch |
| 07:08.10 | endra | Okay, businesscard will work just as fine, right |
| 07:08.30 | keram | ugh nvm |
| 07:08.36 | keram | it was on the version of debian that i'm not using |
| 07:08.37 | keram | heh |
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| 07:14.58 | oyvind | Hello, wanted to install nvidia driver, it says i need to log out of X. how i do that? |
| 07:16.10 | oyvind | tryed Ctrl-Alt-F1 but i was still in X |
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| 07:16.40 | aosid | hi |
| 07:17.18 | aosid | hi all alll allllll |
| 07:18.13 | nvz | oyvind: do you use a graphical login screen like gdm? |
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| 07:18.15 | abchirk | hi |
| 07:19.00 | nvz | abchirk: sir, are you classified as human? |
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| 07:19.18 | abchirk | Mh maybe... |
| 07:19.46 | liable | r u a grl? |
| 07:19.51 | abchirk | I need foot and water to survive.. |
| 07:19.54 | nvz | abchirk: I will suggest you refrain from conversing with anyone from 194.165.138.176 I am not sure what they are up to yet, but it smells like teen spirit |
| 07:19.58 | tarzeau | oyvind: pkill -9 X |
| 07:20.04 | tarzeau | oyvind: ctlr-alt-backspace |
| 07:20.05 | oyvind | i get a graphical loginscreen when i log in with my user name and passwd |
| 07:20.13 | tarzeau | oyvind: /etc/init.d/*dm stop |
| 07:20.18 | nvz | came in here multiple times as different names doesnt respond to conversation, and seems to only talk non-sense |
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| 07:20.30 | tarzeau | o rly? |
| 07:21.04 | nvz | svalvolo: hello |
| 07:21.13 | oyvind | what do these commands do? |
| 07:21.27 | oyvind | how can i get back to X? startx? |
| 07:21.52 | Kevin` | oyvind /etc/init.d/whateverdm start |
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| 07:22.04 | Kevin` | startx will do a different thing, but will start x.. |
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| 07:23.21 | aosid | hi |
| 07:23.47 | nvz | aosid: i am going to ask you one last time, do you have anything debian related to discuss? |
| 07:24.20 | abchirk | Hehe |
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| 07:24.44 | oyvind | what is whateverdm? |
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| 07:26.04 | abchirk | oyvind do you have gdm or kdm? |
| 07:26.44 | abchirk | then... press ctrl+alt and backspace... and then as root killall gdm or killall kdm |
| 07:27.05 | oyvind | gnome, ah, that whats its for |
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| 07:27.19 | nvz | oyvind: ps aux | grep -o /usr/sbin/*dm |
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| 07:28.59 | nvz | hell you could actually make a script to stop x like this no matter what dm you have. DM=$(ps aux | grep -o /usr/sbin/*dm | uniq | cut -d \/ -f 4); /etc/init.d/$DM stop |
| 07:29.48 | liable | that would be no fun, then we couldn't waste 10 minutes every time someone wants to install nvidia |
| 07:29.54 | nvz | I'm sure there is a more elegant way but I never really learned many pattern languages |
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| 07:30.12 | nvz | so I make use of tools like cut, tr, and grep |
| 07:30.17 | abchirk | But isnt it easier to kill gdm or kdm ? |
| 07:30.27 | nvz | cause I didn't just learn awk or sed |
| 07:30.39 | nvz | abchirk: its a daemon.. |
| 07:30.43 | fuzan | ugh. is anyone here running with david turner's font rendering patches? |
| 07:30.51 | nvz | abchirk: killing it only causes it to restart |
| 07:31.03 | abchirk | mh it worked for me fine :) |
| 07:31.31 | liable | nvz: liiling the dm wont get it to restart, killing x will though |
| 07:31.36 | liable | killing |
| 07:31.41 | liable | stupid fingers |
| 07:31.43 | nvz | ah I see |
| 07:31.53 | nvz | dpkg, stupid fingers |
| 07:32.04 | nvz | dpkg, stupid bot! |
| 07:32.04 | dpkg | no, stupid nvz |
| 07:33.51 | fuzan | no one here cares about pretty fonts? :) |
| 07:34.05 | liable | i am a font tard |
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| 07:34.38 | hark | s/font// ;) |
| 07:34.46 | nvz | I don't much care about pretty anything |
| 07:34.58 | nvz | I go for function over form |
| 07:35.14 | fuzan | i already have function. |
| 07:35.16 | fuzan | now i want form. |
| 07:36.00 | fuzan | i'd rather stab out my eyes than stare at fonts that look to be rendered by a 4 year old. |
| 07:36.51 | nvz | fuzan: sounds like a personal problem |
| 07:36.53 | metbsd | so what's kde version in debian |
| 07:37.02 | nvz | metbsd: in stable? |
| 07:37.09 | metbsd | yes |
| 07:37.13 | fuzan | how is there no offical debian forum? |
| 07:37.28 | hark | fuzan: what font are you using? subpixel rendering? |
| 07:37.52 | hark | there is no official irc channel as well :) |
| 07:38.01 | liable | yes there is |
| 07:38.08 | fuzan | hark: i'm trying to install david turner's font patches. i can't seem to correctly build a new deb for the freetype package, though. |
| 07:38.11 | liable | on oftc |
| 07:38.18 | nvz | !info kde-base etch |
| 07:38.45 | fuzan | hark: theyr'e premade for like every release of ubuntu, yet none for lenny :( |
| 07:39.00 | nvz | !info kdelibs etch |
| 07:39.02 | dpkg | kdelibs: (core libraries from the official KDE release), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8 (etch), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 07:39.06 | nvz | metbsd: ^ |
| 07:39.20 | liable | fuzan: send in a wishlist bug |
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| 07:39.44 | metbsd | but there is 3.5.7 now |
| 07:39.56 | metbsd | how do i install 3.5.7 on stable |
| 07:39.57 | nvz | metbsd: yeah and stable is frozen |
| 07:40.06 | metbsd | is what |
| 07:40.34 | liable | !backports |
| 07:40.34 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 07:40.40 | nvz | metbsd: in debian we freeze a distro before we release it as stable.. that means no new versions, only upstream security fixes |
| 07:40.50 | nvz | !info kdelibs lenny |
| 07:40.56 | dpkg | kdelibs: (core libraries from the official KDE release), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8 (lenny), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 07:41.01 | metbsd | i don't know what you talkin about |
| 07:41.13 | metbsd | i'm on stable debian |
| 07:41.14 | liable | we do, trust us |
| 07:41.25 | metbsd | i want kde3.5.7 on stable, how to do it? |
| 07:41.35 | enouf | !need |
| 07:41.35 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
| 07:41.51 | bolt | what ports do atftpd use? is it the regular ftp protocol? port 21/TCP? |
| 07:41.57 | nvz | !sns syndrome |
| 07:41.57 | dpkg | [sns syndrome] a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 07:42.03 | liable | i love it when oo gets upgraded |
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| 07:42.42 | dondelelcaro | metbsd: you take the 3.5.7 packages if they exist and backport them |
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| 07:42.49 | fuzan | hmm -- why would one use debian as opposed to ubuntu ? |
| 07:43.07 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 07:43.07 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
| 07:43.15 | tarzeau | fuzan: debian has newer and more software |
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| 07:43.37 | metbsd | what's the meaning of backports |
| 07:43.47 | tarzeau | metbsd: it's written on their webpage? |
| 07:43.53 | hark | liable: hmm, i thought it wasn't official as such |
| 07:44.00 | tarzeau | metbsd: so you can play sauerbraten on etch? gnu.ethz.ch/backports/ |
| 07:44.14 | bolt | metbsd: to run new versions of packages on an otherwise slightly dated system, methinks |
| 07:44.15 | liable | hark: ya, this one is the unofficial one ;) |
| 07:44.21 | nvz | metbsd: backports are newer packages built with older stable libs so to integrate into a frozen stable distro |
| 07:44.57 | metbsd | but what stable libs will kde 3.5.7 want, i don't get it |
| 07:45.06 | metbsd | kde has nothing to do with debian |
| 07:45.09 | nvz | tarzeau: sauerbraten is in debian now? |
| 07:45.17 | tarzeau | nvz: in non-free and contrib, yes |
| 07:45.23 | metbsd | xorg maybe, but debian gnu? |
| 07:45.46 | tarzeau | nvz: the code should go into main, and there are maps that are free... but talk about packaging hell for all those splitups |
| 07:45.49 | nvz | metbsd: you are confusing the word stable with the debian definition of stable |
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| 07:46.08 | fuzan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:46.27 | nvz | tarzeau: cool. i can't wait for it to mature as an rpg I'm almost taking interest in rpg for once |
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| 07:47.37 | fuzan | or rather, would packages meant for etch work for lenny? |
| 07:48.07 | hark | it's a fps isn't it? |
| 07:48.10 | nvz | fuzan: its possible |
| 07:48.28 | nvz | hark: yeah its an fps but they are working on forking it as an rpg |
| 07:48.28 | liable | depends on the depends |
| 07:48.30 | fuzan | nvz: if not, what's the kicker? instability, error message ? |
| 07:48.42 | nvz | fuzan: depends.. heh |
| 07:48.54 | nvz | or as liable says depends on depends |
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| 07:50.07 | nvz | fuzan: usually packages depends are >= so in theory most things for etch could work on lenny |
| 07:50.27 | fuzan | oh <3 |
| 07:50.32 | fuzan | they worked, kindof. |
| 07:50.51 | Saint-Takeshi | anyone know of a program to burn discjuggler (*.cdi) images from linux? can't be bothered digging out my original dreamcast discs, and all my backups are *.cdi because at the time, that was the only format i knew of that could save multisession discs (needed for dreamcast burns) |
| 07:51.12 | Saint-Takeshi | and i just bought a new dreamcast |
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| 07:51.58 | nvz | dreamcast was like raved as being the greatest thing sega ever did and all this jazz.. personally I never seen a single title on it that didnt suck and it had one of those interfaces that simply didnt seem to be designed for humans |
| 07:52.13 | nvz | its like holy hell where were the ergonomic studies here |
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| 07:52.46 | nvz | I'm a genesis fan when it comes to Sega consoles. the sega channel was awesome in its day |
| 07:53.49 | nvz | I wish I could have seen the intellivision channel.. then again.. maybe not.. I didn't learn of that add-on until after it was discontinued.. and it didn't last nearly as long as sega channel nor did it really catch on at all |
| 07:54.26 | nvz | hell I didn't know intellivision did that until after the sega channel was discontinued |
| 07:54.34 | liable | Saint-Takeshi: http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=linux+burn+.cdi+image&btnG=Search&meta= |
| 07:54.58 | enouf | Saint-Takeshi: well , i know one can convert .nrg to .iso easily using an offset (skip) .. not sure about .cdi Some info |
| 07:55.02 | nvz | and i've had an intellivision all my life.. still my favorite game console of all time |
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| 07:55.26 | enouf | Saint-Takeshi: heh , forgot to give yiou the url http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+CD-IMAGES |
| 07:55.34 | nvz | one day I am gonna be a regular blue sky ranger.. rebuilding intellivisions and collecting games |
| 07:55.58 | bolt | what Saint-Takeshi says: "anyone know of a program to burn discjuggler (*.cdi) images from linux? can't be bothered digging out my original dreamcast discs" what nvz hears: blah blah blah blah blah dreamcast blah blah blah |
| 07:56.02 | bolt | :) |
| 07:56.25 | liable | haha |
| 07:56.34 | nvz | I just cant believe anyone likes dreamcast enough to backup the games |
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| 07:57.04 | Saint-Takeshi | converting to iso would lose the multisession data, which is kind of a necessity, especially for games like REZ which is worth nothing without the audio tracks. |
| 07:57.26 | liable | it doesnt take much to get him started on a tangent ;) |
| 07:57.26 | nvz | the games seemed to be all stupid like cheap fighting games pitting one comic books heros against another |
| 07:58.13 | unimatrix | he feels nostalgic about them, there is no need to discuss the quality |
| 07:58.42 | nvz | yeah well must be from a younger generation.. I am nostalgic about the intellivision |
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| 07:59.20 | bolt | AMIGA! |
| 07:59.35 | Saint-Takeshi | bolt: ooh! |
| 07:59.35 | unimatrix | trs-80! |
| 07:59.37 | nvz | imo you'll never get the kind of head to head feel intellivision had even on xbox 360 live |
| 07:59.38 | liable | ohnoes, not an old hardware conversation! |
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| 08:01.00 | nvz | its laughable now for me to understand the technology in that system though.. its graphics rendering methods if you can even call it that. and its use of the sound chip as a controller input device.. |
| 08:01.14 | Saint-Takeshi | bolt: first computer i ever used was an A500, with an extra 500mb of ram fitted (badly) at home....i was 3 years old, at the time it seemed like some kind of computational behemoth. |
| 08:01.45 | bolt | 500mb ram on an amiga 500? |
| 08:01.47 | liable | i was busy eating dirt and snails when i was three |
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| 08:02.21 | bolt | Saint-Takeshi: That thing has like 1mb built-in ram, and I had an additional meg sitting in a small box alongside of it |
| 08:02.47 | nvz | liable: heh. yeah.. those were the days.. mud pies |
| 08:02.56 | Saint-Takeshi | no, i mean an extra 500kb...sorry, i seem to have a dose of the stupids this morning |
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| 08:03.24 | nvz | Saint-Takeshi: sorry, It must have rubbed off |
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| 08:04.36 | fuzan | now -- how does one usually get unsupported packages (like pidgin?) add a unsupported repo to sources? |
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| 08:04.49 | enouf | disc-juggler is just another burning app for wintendo , afaik. ithe only dreams i know about occur when i'm sleeping (mostly) |
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| 08:05.22 | nvz | fuzan: you'd add it in the repositories in synaptic, or into /etc/apt/sources.list manually if you use other package managers |
| 08:05.27 | wols | fuzan: you simply add the deb... line to source.list and update |
| 08:05.34 | enouf | k3b burns multi-session disks, iinm |
| 08:05.50 | wols | fosco: or you download the .deb and dpkg -i it |
| 08:06.08 | hark | fuzan: you can backport it or check backports |
| 08:06.13 | wols | enouf: the trouble is not getting multisession, the trouble is getting an app that understanda that DJ dataformat |
| 08:06.26 | wols | prorietary crapware never can use standards |
| 08:06.39 | enouf | wols: well, nero is the same, iinm |
| 08:06.50 | wols | as I said: prorpietary crapware |
| 08:06.55 | nvz | yeah I bought paragon cd emulator at one time ripped into .cdi images |
| 08:06.58 | enouf | right ..so |
| 08:07.11 | nvz | I'm not sure if it was really any different than standart ISO9660 though |
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| 08:07.51 | wols | nvz: most of them didn't like the duality of cue/image. so they simply welded them into one |
| 08:07.58 | nvz | I think I still have the Tony Hawk 2x image.. unless I deleted it to save space |
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| 08:08.30 | Saint-Takeshi | if it comes to it, i could just copy the disc to an iso by mounting the *.cdi on D-Tools on my wife's windows machine, then samba that across to my box and burn the iso... |
| 08:08.33 | nvz | I should still have the cd.. but I wouldnt use a wintendo anymore.. so its kinda useless |
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| 08:09.22 | nvz | the aggrivations of wintendo are far too much for me to handle.. anything I can't do without it I'd rather do without |
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| 08:12.44 | Saint-Takeshi | nvz: thats how most of us got here, isn't it? |
| 08:13.01 | nvz | ugh I'm hungry now. damn woman keepin me up.. |
| 08:13.03 | crm_ | is there someone that can help me debug a usb2/1.1 question? |
| 08:14.20 | nvz | Saint-Takeshi: probably. I wish I had migrated to linux right out of the dark ages of AtariPC, TI 99/4a, TRS-80, AppleII.. |
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| 08:14.20 | crm_ | my lappy is supposed to have 2 x usb2.0 ports... according to everything I've read, though lspci is showing 4 usb entries and only one of them is usb2.0 |
| 08:14.51 | nvz | Saint-Takeshi: I am only gonna be 24 this summer and I really didn't catch on to real pcs and microsoft crap until around the time linux was being circulated around the web anyhow |
| 08:14.53 | Saint-Takeshi | but then you wouldn't understand when your friends/colleagues complained about slow/crashy computers, spyware, joke virii, etc.... |
| 08:15.15 | nvz | Saint-Takeshi: I still don't understand why they put up with the crap. |
| 08:15.46 | fireba11 | :-) |
| 08:15.48 | nvz | Saint-Takeshi: I've been on debian for like 6 years now, I don't even lend any thought to what else there is. |
| 08:16.04 | fuzan | what would i exactly add to the source file to add unstable/sid packages? |
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| 08:16.21 | fuzan | (as a failsafe if they're not found in lenny) |
| 08:16.36 | nvz | fuzan: you want to add to /etc/apt/preferences first before doing any of that you want pinning in place |
| 08:16.40 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:16.50 | nvz | fuzan: mixing distros is risky business |
| 08:17.45 | Saint-Takeshi | nvz: i go back to windows every 6 months for gaming, but i always end up doing the "download Debian, burn Debian, reformat, 6 days getting everything back the way i like it" dance when i realize i cant fix anything that breaks. |
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| 08:17.57 | nvz | fuzan: once you've started running libs from another disto, things start breaking left and right, and you no longer have the benefit of tech support unless you upgrade to a single distro |
| 08:17.59 | fuzan | so, most people who use debian aren't concerned with apps such as pidgin, eh ? |
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| 08:18.15 | nvz | fuzan: we have pidgin, we still call it gaim |
| 08:18.18 | nvz | !info pidgin |
| 08:18.25 | dpkg | pidgin: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2508 kB, Installed size: 6828 kB |
| 08:18.26 | cydork | nvz: we have both atm! |
| 08:18.37 | fuzan | well, only in testing -- correct? |
| 08:18.38 | nvz | cydork: not in an official release. |
| 08:18.40 | fuzan | err, unstable |
| 08:18.49 | cydork | nvz: obviously not! :) |
| 08:18.51 | nvz | !info pidgin lenny |
| 08:18.59 | nvz | yep its only in sid |
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| 08:19.21 | wols | fuzan: backports or simple sid backport |
| 08:19.28 | nvz | its available from their website.. much much safer than mixing sources |
| 08:19.28 | wols | as for mixing distros: |
| 08:19.31 | wols | !bobbitt |
| 08:19.31 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
| 08:20.02 | nvz | !depends pidgin |
| 08:20.06 | dpkg | pidgin: depends on pidgin-data (>= 2.0.1), pidgin-data (<< 2.0.1-z), libavahi-compat-howl0 (>= 0.6.0), libc6 (>= 2.5-5), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 0.94), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.73), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.12), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.3), libgtkspell0 (>= 2.0.2), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libncursesw5 (>= 5.4-5), libnspr4-0d (>= 1.8.0.10), libnss3-0d (>= 1.8.0.10), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.16.4), libperl5.8 (>= 5.8.8), ... |
| 08:20.06 | hark | is there a reason to use gaim over pidgin? |
| 08:20.16 | wols | hark: aol won't sue you! |
| 08:20.21 | hark | !conflicts pidgin |
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| 08:20.24 | dpkg | pidgin: gaim (<< 1:2.0.0+beta6-3) |
| 08:20.28 | hark | heh |
| 08:20.58 | nvz | fuzan: that depends on libc6 2.5 you are gonna have to upgrade your whole distro or backport it |
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| 08:21.39 | nvz | you definatly don't want to add sid sources, and install that or you are running sid basically and without fully upgrading all packages to sid, you are risking serious breakage |
| 08:21.53 | fuzan | argh, earlier I tried to dpkg -i the .deb file for pidgin, and it failed due to deps, but now it seems as if it's always trying to fullfill the deps regardless of the package i try to apt-get |
| 08:21.58 | nvz | more than running sid alone |
| 08:22.19 | fuzan | oh wait, i know why ^_^ |
| 08:22.33 | nvz | fuzan: aptitude is your friend. :P |
| 08:22.53 | hark | fuzan: backport it or see if backports has it |
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| 08:22.56 | nvz | aptitude knows how to fix problems :P |
| 08:22.59 | liable | aptitude: be my friend too! |
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| 08:23.04 | Supaplex | aptitude install cook maid butler |
| 08:23.09 | Supaplex | ahhh rats. |
| 08:23.10 | liable | stupid bot |
| 08:23.12 | simonrvn | !be liable's friend |
| 08:23.23 | Supaplex | !love liable |
| 08:23.23 | Nosferatu | Fuck you, cunt. |
| 08:23.23 | nvz | Supaplex: you forgot mistress |
| 08:23.26 | liable | no one wants too! |
| 08:23.28 | fuzan | everything is just requiring a newer version of libcairo than the pre-made patched debs i found :( |
| 08:23.40 | liable | Nosferatu: excuse me? |
| 08:23.40 | nvz | Nosferatu: you have tourettes syndrome? |
| 08:23.49 | simonrvn | Nosferatu: wtf? |
| 08:24.03 | hark | typo ;) |
| 08:24.09 | simonrvn | riiight |
| 08:24.09 | liable | heh |
| 08:24.11 | Supaplex | it's that new internet keyboard |
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| 08:25.01 | liable | Supaplex: it would add a kthxbye on the end automatically though |
| 08:25.01 | Supaplex | you know, keys with "lmfao" "lol" and "I <3 that to!" |
| 08:25.04 | bolt | I am trying to make the lufs module with module-assistant in stable, but lufs-source has no installation candidate. has it been replaced by something? I want to mount a filesystem over ssh (sshfs) |
| 08:25.40 | fuzan | oh my. |
| 08:25.43 | simonrvn | Supaplex: you forgot the "y00 s0x0rs!!!11111!1!oneone" |
| 08:25.47 | fuzan | lenny doesn't have emacs 22.x either, :) |
| 08:25.47 | nvz | I wonder why we don't have a package yet that facilitates backporting a package the same way java-package works with 3rd party java packages |
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| 08:25.53 | simonrvn | fuzan: sid |
| 08:25.57 | fuzan | how does one migrate to sid? s/lenny/sid in sources? |
| 08:26.06 | simonrvn | fuzan: er, only techinically sid ;) |
| 08:26.13 | liable | Nosferatu: could you imagine the bug reports you would get? |
| 08:26.18 | Supaplex | !simple sid backport |
| 08:26.18 | fuzan | and that one command... dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 08:26.18 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 08:26.19 | liable | nvz: ^^ |
| 08:26.27 | simonrvn | fuzan: you can fetch it manually, don't screw your lenny up |
| 08:26.28 | nvz | liable: heh |
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| 08:26.49 | delete[df] | hi 2 all |
| 08:26.53 | fuzan | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.56 | nvz | liable: I wouldn't get any.. I'm not a maintainer.. just a utopian visionary |
| 08:26.59 | Supaplex | I can see Sid trampleing all over Lenny |
| 08:26.59 | delete[df] | how to install full ssh ? |
| 08:27.01 | simonrvn | emacs 22 |
| 08:27.05 | delete[df] | apt-get install ssh ? |
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| 08:27.12 | delete[df] | apt-get install ssh-server |
| 08:27.13 | delete[df] | ?! |
| 08:27.28 | liable | nvz: you thought it, you build it! ;) |
| 08:27.38 | dfa001 | delete[df]: apt-get install ssh |
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| 08:27.43 | delete[df] | tnx |
| 08:27.51 | delete[df] | joe ?! |
| 08:27.54 | bl0ck | hi all |
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| 08:27.56 | delete[df] | apt-get install joe ? |
| 08:27.56 | bl0ck | does anybody know if it's possible to lock a postfix virtual domain to send emails but still to be able to recieve |
| 08:28.15 | Supaplex | delete[df]: apt-cache show <package> - if it's what you want, install it. |
| 08:28.23 | tarzeau | nvz: help develop the rpg? #sauerbraten on quakenet :) |
| 08:28.25 | delete[df] | tnx |
| 08:28.26 | simonrvn | delete[df]: openssh-server and -client |
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| 08:28.27 | Supaplex | !tell delete[df] -about search |
| 08:28.41 | tarzeau | nvz: i packaged misfit model 3d for debian to make more models |
| 08:28.52 | Supaplex | bl0ck: use different conditionals on your sql maps? |
| 08:29.17 | bl0ck | Supaplex, the problem is that i use ispconfig... |
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| 08:29.41 | bl0ck | Supaplex, and i do not want to touch the db |
| 08:30.31 | liable | ispconfig, is that a new webmin or something? |
| 08:30.55 | bl0ck | liable, its a hosting panel |
| 08:31.05 | bl0ck | liable, ispconfig.org |
| 08:31.13 | bolt | I am trying to make the lufs module with module-assistant in stable, but lufs-source has no installation candidate. has it been replaced by something? I want to mount a filesystem over ssh (sshfs) |
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| 08:31.53 | nvz | tarzeau: I'd probably enjoy developing an rpg but I can't really do anything useful in that area. I have 0 artistic ability and my programming skills are rather useless for game design |
| 08:32.08 | nvz | tarzeau: I could code a text adventure maybe :P |
| 08:32.19 | nvz | tarzeau: something like nethack |
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| 08:32.57 | nabber | nvz: go for a MUD |
| 08:33.01 | nabber | :-) |
| 08:33.26 | nvz | problem is lack of interest. I am not personally interested in lame games like that, and neither is anyone else really anymore |
| 08:33.55 | Supaplex | bl0ck: yea, they use tEh gui with mud now. |
| 08:33.58 | Gigantic | Hei, now I can't burn Debian's DVD's :( |
| 08:34.01 | nvz | I hate rpg's but all the more reason I'd like to be able to make one.. so I can make one that doesnt suck |
| 08:34.02 | Gigantic | I start with K3b (growisofs) but the machine slows the hell down and nearly nearly freeze |
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| 08:34.06 | Supaplex | bl0ck: uh nm that nick complete. :p |
| 08:34.40 | Gigantic | there's something I can do to get my system back without uhnplugging the black box? |
| 08:34.49 | nvz | graphics and gui programming, or pretty much any OO programming is beyond my scope |
| 08:34.54 | bolt | gahh! why can't i install fuse or lufs on stable?! module-assistant is unable to install any of them, as none of the source packages have available installation candidates. i have a basic stable sources.list with contrib and non-free included. |
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| 08:35.08 | Gigantic | s/uhnplugging/unplugging |
| 08:35.12 | fuzan | does non-free add packages which may otherwise be not included due to licensing? |
| 08:35.17 | tarzeau | nvz: i see |
| 08:35.28 | tarzeau | nvz: hey wait, nethack ain't lame |
| 08:35.40 | nvz | tarzeau: heh |
| 08:35.40 | tarzeau | nvz: how do you like kq apt-get install kq? |
| 08:36.44 | nvz | I'll look at that later |
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| 08:37.01 | bolt | anyone? |
| 08:37.02 | Nosferatu | bueller? |
| 08:37.05 | nvz | not passing up the oppertunity to sleep since the oppertunity to eat is hours away yet |
| 08:37.30 | tarzeau | nvz: the woman is bad? |
| 08:38.13 | Supaplex | bl0ck: http://rafb.net/p/lGvYRM35.html |
| 08:38.22 | Gigantic | tarzeau: Sun brights |
| 08:38.24 | Gigantic | ? |
| 08:38.29 | bl0ck | Supaplex, 10x ill take a look |
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| 08:39.51 | Supaplex | bl0ck: that's for sasl authentication, not to be confused with postfix maps. |
| 08:40.15 | Supaplex | bl0ck: oh, saslauth is identical. |
| 08:41.41 | bolt | Is there something else I can use instead of lufs to mount an SSH file system on stable? module-assistant can't find the sources for lufs. guessing it's been replaces? |
| 08:41.48 | bolt | replaced* |
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| 08:42.00 | Supaplex | !sshfs |
| 08:42.00 | dpkg | methinks sshfs is sshfs-fuse, or not shfs, or a nifty way to securely mount remote resources (without NFS / Samba). Homepage is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html>, FAQ is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq>. (remember to compile/load 'fuse' module and add yourself to the 'fuse' group) |
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| 08:43.02 | kirillov | hi |
| 08:43.04 | bolt | and compiling the fuse module is the problem |
| 08:43.17 | bolt | fuse-source doesn't seem to be available |
| 08:43.21 | kirillov | beryl freeze with the last testing upgrade.. |
| 08:43.29 | tarzeau | kirillov: nice |
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| 08:43.52 | kirillov | tarzeau: it's not so nice :D |
| 08:43.57 | tarzeau | kirillov: it's testing |
| 08:44.11 | tarzeau | kirillov: feel free to get the source and fix it |
| 08:44.25 | kirillov | tarzeau: ahahah! i'm a simple user :) |
| 08:44.27 | tarzeau | kirillov: maybe it's already fixed in sid :) |
| 08:44.36 | tarzeau | kirillov: ahahaha! i don't care for beryl :) |
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| 08:44.54 | tarzeau | kirillov: you should report bugs using reportbug to BTS |
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| 08:45.07 | Supaplex | !btssmite kirillov |
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| 08:45.30 | itchi | Hi, which spell stuff use Evolution? The spell button is gray and i miss some stuff i guess |
| 08:45.35 | tarzeau | Supaplex: or he can try ubuntu |
| 08:45.47 | Supaplex | tarzeau: you trader :P |
| 08:45.50 | unimatrix | u-what? |
| 08:45.57 | enouf | traitor? |
| 08:46.02 | tarzeau | infidel! |
| 08:46.10 | Supaplex | yes, either will do. |
| 08:46.13 | RichiH | heretic |
| 08:46.21 | tarzeau | Supaplex: just trying to get rid of the annoying flys |
| 08:46.26 | enouf | you mean \/\/ ? |
| 08:46.29 | tarzeau | go away *splat* |
| 08:46.35 | Supaplex | tarzeau: /ignore :p |
| 08:46.50 | Supaplex | yay! all the numbskulls are gone. /ignore *!*@* all |
| 08:46.53 | tarzeau | Supaplex: wait maybe he's a gamer |
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| 08:46.59 | tarzeau | kirillov: do you play network games? |
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| 08:48.16 | fuzan | how would I begin to backport pidgin? |
| 08:48.25 | Supaplex | !tell fuzan -about simple sid backport |
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| 08:48.33 | Supaplex | !tell fuzan -about backports |
| 08:48.34 | kirillov | tarzeau: yes, but why this question? |
| 08:48.41 | tarzeau | !simple sid backport |
| 08:48.41 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 08:48.44 | fuzan | ty |
| 08:48.50 | tarzeau | kirillov: www.sauerbraten.org or which games? |
| 08:48.52 | Supaplex | tarzeau: you are tEh slow |
| 08:49.02 | itchi | !tell KWartS about root |
| 08:49.03 | tarzeau | kirillov: playing games can be most rewarding and fun if done with others -- beryl is boring |
| 08:49.08 | kirillov | tarzeau: i've tried warzsow |
| 08:49.14 | tarzeau | Supaplex: o rly? :) |
| 08:49.30 | Supaplex | tarzeau: deh! |
| 08:49.33 | Supaplex | :p |
| 08:49.38 | kirillov | tarzeau: i don't like playing games.. |
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| 08:50.09 | epsas | hello |
| 08:50.23 | bolt | could someone help me with compiling/installing the fuse module for debian stable with linux-image-2.6.18-4-686? |
| 08:50.42 | epsas | i am trying to get my cisco aironet 350 pc-card working in Etch (stable) |
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| 08:51.19 | epsas | thought I would ask if anybody knows how I would go about installing a driver for the aironet card |
| 08:51.26 | epsas | :) |
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| 08:51.36 | Supaplex | bolt: do you have sarge and etch backports in sources.list? |
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| 08:51.59 | Supaplex | epsas: cisco? it should be in the stock deb kernel. |
| 08:52.23 | epsas | ahh - i have the vserver kernel |
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| 08:52.40 | bolt | Supaplex: nope. just the basic repositories from debian. main, contrib and non-free. same for security.debian.org |
| 08:53.02 | Supaplex | !tell bolt -about backports |
| 08:53.08 | itchi | I tried ispell, idutch, ifrench, aspell-*, myspell-* but none is available in Evolution :-( |
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| 08:53.34 | Gigantic | Could someone tell me how do I use the shasums/signature to verify the DVD integrity? |
| 08:53.50 | bolt | Supaplex: lufs is not in stable? |
| 08:54.03 | Supaplex | bolt: you searched for it, right? |
| 08:54.34 | bolt | Supaplex: yes, but I found lufs-utils and such. just no lufs module |
| 08:54.56 | bolt | Supaplex: well, there's the lufs-module-2.4.27-3-686 but i run 2.6.18 |
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| 08:55.31 | tarzeau | debain lufs you, bolt! |
| 08:55.40 | tarzeau | in soviet russia |
| 08:55.42 | bolt | apparently not |
| 08:55.50 | bolt | not even in russia |
| 08:56.02 | Hedenberg | ah |
| 08:56.21 | itchi | bolt: Did you lool to module-assistant? |
| 08:56.21 | itchi | look* |
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| 08:56.56 | bolt | itchi: i've been struggling with that for the last half an hour. i see lufs in m-a's list, select it, select get, and it has no installation candidate. |
| 08:56.57 | Supaplex | bolt: I can't find lufs at all, even with backports. |
| 08:57.20 | bolt | so how the heck is one supposed to mount a sshfs in stable? |
| 08:57.28 | Supaplex | !sshfs |
| 08:57.28 | dpkg | i heard sshfs is sshfs-fuse, or not shfs, or a nifty way to securely mount remote resources (without NFS / Samba). Homepage is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html>, FAQ is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq>. (remember to compile/load 'fuse' module and add yourself to the 'fuse' group) |
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| 08:57.36 | Supaplex | that not work? |
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| 08:58.08 | Supaplex | sshfs - filesystem client based on SSH File Transfer Protocol |
| 08:58.12 | bolt | well, the end of the line just says i need to compile/load the fuse module. that's not very helpful |
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| 08:59.35 | itchi | Sorry, got i little firewall glitch |
| 08:59.59 | ravsi | anyone running the default package of postgres on etch? |
| 09:00.02 | Supaplex | bolt: is that part of fuse-utils, or something else? |
| 09:00.10 | itchi | I wonder if my msg's where been send :-s |
| 09:00.10 | Supaplex | ravsi: I'm using -8.1 |
| 09:00.15 | ravsi | mmm |
| 09:00.19 | ravsi | no probs? |
| 09:00.27 | Gigantic | never mind, I got it |
| 09:00.35 | Supaplex | ravsi: nope. it listens on a different socket+port |
| 09:00.48 | ravsi | mmm |
| 09:01.01 | ravsi | the 7.4 package won't start and I can't find the client bins |
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| 09:01.51 | Supaplex | ravsi: you can have -8.1 and others concurrently installed |
| 09:01.55 | bolt | Supaplex: I don't understand the question. I have fuse-utils. I need the kernel module. |
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| 09:02.13 | ravsi | supaplex: ok I will give it a try |
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| 09:02.27 | bolt | Supaplex: fuse-utils is in my sources, the kernel module isn't, which makes no sense to me. |
| 09:02.53 | Supaplex | bolt: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko - it's default in etch. modinfo fuse |
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| 09:04.46 | bolt | gah. I'm confusing fuse and lufs |
| 09:05.09 | bolt | ">> you don't have kernel lufs support (check whether the lufs module is available/loaded)" |
| 09:05.35 | Supaplex | how phun :P |
| 09:06.03 | bolt | still, however, the problem persists. lufs-source is not available. module-assistand can't find it. |
| 09:06.08 | bolt | though it's in the list |
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| 09:06.19 | Supaplex | bolt: uh apt-get install sshfs? |
| 09:06.32 | bolt | sshfs is installed |
| 09:06.36 | bolt | I need the lufs kernel module |
| 09:06.59 | Gigantic | weird... Burning my Debian DVD freeze the system, And the signature has been verified |
| 09:07.03 | Gigantic | I've burnt another DVD media lready so I could verify the unit |
| 09:07.40 | Gigantic | asny idea what could be wrong? |
| 09:08.42 | Supaplex | Gigantic: dirty media, cheap media, try burning slower, power supply issues, bugs (check bts) |
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| 09:08.51 | bolt | ... |
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| 09:09.06 | bolt | lufs-source is, according to pdo, available for oldstable and unstable |
| 09:09.14 | bolt | what is one supposed to use in stable? |
| 09:09.24 | Supaplex | !tell bolt -about simple sid backport |
| 09:09.42 | Supaplex | or backports.org |
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| 09:10.19 | byon | hey, i'm trying to install libjpeg through apt-get but aint able to do it |
| 09:10.44 | Supaplex | bolt: http://rafb.net/paste - show us what happens. |
| 09:10.44 | byon | been looking around my sources.list for clue, maybe i should change from main to testing? |
| 09:10.58 | Gigantic | Supaplex: :) Thank you, unlikily I already cheack all those... except the 'bugs...' |
| 09:11.27 | Supaplex | Gigantic: wodim bit me on a few. for the time being, I -nofix and -fix seperately. |
| 09:11.33 | Gigantic | s/unlikily/unluckily |
| 09:11.43 | byon | http://rafb.net/p/03BNA410.html |
| 09:11.43 | hark | !tell byon about bat |
| 09:11.46 | byon | bat? |
| 09:12.15 | Gigantic | Supaplex: mmm |
| 09:12.15 | byon | does that url of mine help? |
| 09:12.16 | Supaplex | byon: that's not an install. |
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| 09:12.29 | byon | Supaplex: you're right. cuz libjpeg-devel wasn't find in apt-cache |
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| 09:12.35 | fireba11 | what channel could i ask about managing ssl-certificates for different services ? |
| 09:12.54 | byon | where can i obtain libjpeg-devel from? |
| 09:12.59 | Supaplex | byon: ok. paste a new one with /etc/issue and /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 09:13.10 | byon | okay one second. |
| 09:13.35 | Supaplex | fireba11: just google how to install it. any self respting CA will have copious amounts of documentation on that. |
| 09:13.39 | hark | libjpeg62-dev? |
| 09:13.50 | byon | here you go |
| 09:13.50 | byon | http://rafb.net/p/TksHCN68.html |
| 09:13.55 | byon | i can't use libjpeg62-dev |
| 09:14.06 | byon | php has been giving me the same errors still |
| 09:14.07 | Supaplex | byon: what's linking to it? |
| 09:14.21 | byon | php is trying to seek libjpeg during ./make |
| 09:14.25 | Supaplex | are you building php from deb-src? |
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| 09:14.33 | byon | nope ive downloaded php from directadmin servers |
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| 09:14.58 | byon | this is what directadmin would be advising me to do, http://help.directadmin.com/item.php?id=135 |
| 09:14.59 | Supaplex | oh directadmin. *sigh*. and they won't support you on their product? |
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| 09:15.10 | fireba11 | Supaplex : i didn't ask how to install it, i know that. i'm trying to find out if i can use the same certificate for different services so i only have to buy one since there will only few outside people actually using the service anyway but i still won't want to bug those with self-certified certificates |
| 09:15.19 | byon | to them, apparently this is a system issue |
| 09:15.44 | byon | sigh |
| 09:16.04 | Supaplex | fireba11: sure, as long as the hostname matches. check www.g33kpipe.com and see if they have a free 30 trial or something |
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| 09:17.01 | bolt | Supaplex: I can't select text from the m-a build log. when I try, it just goes back to its menu |
| 09:17.27 | Supaplex | bolt: try shift+select. there should be logs someplace. |
| 09:17.36 | byon | Supaplex: hey.. |
| 09:18.17 | Supaplex | hey wut? :p |
| 09:18.19 | jonny | I Was wandering if anyone can help me, i posted my GLX Error when i loaded a game on Linux->Debian Forums Yesterday but no replies |
| 09:18.22 | byon | Supaplex: hmm.. can you help me see if you have libjpeg by doing apt-cache search libjpeg-devel ? |
| 09:18.22 | jonny | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/95106-glx-error-when-loading-tibia.html |
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| 09:18.53 | bolt | Supaplex: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 09:18.57 | bolt | er. |
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| 09:19.11 | bolt | Supaplex: http://rafb.net/p/MSmt0u85.html |
| 09:19.16 | fireba11 | Supaplex: thought so .. the CA make that point especially hard to find out to sell more certificates :-) |
| 09:19.29 | _agn_ | dpkg-query: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1: |
| 09:19.29 | _agn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.35 | _agn_ | how do i correct this error ? |
| 09:20.01 | Supaplex | _agn_: you might need to apt-cache clean ; apt-get update |
| 09:20.02 | _agn_ | someone pulled the plug on the test server when it was updating |
| 09:20.33 | _agn_ | you mean apt-get clean ? |
| 09:20.37 | byon | apt-get clean all |
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| 09:21.43 | _agn_ | hm..doesn't help |
| 09:22.01 | _agn_ | how can i rebuild /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
| 09:22.06 | _agn_ | and its a binary file |
| 09:22.11 | Supaplex | _agn_: mv /var/lib/dpkg/available backup ; touch /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 09:22.15 | Supaplex | then reupdate? |
| 09:22.21 | Supaplex | it's plain text here. |
| 09:22.22 | byon | any idea how can i get the dependancies libjpeg-devel for php ? |
| 09:22.33 | chemaja | good lord, grip has my CDROM device file locked like a pro |
| 09:23.15 | Supaplex | bolt: no clue. try bts on lufs-* |
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| 09:23.23 | fuzan | alright -- i'm trying to get emacs 22.x, yet, it doesn't even appear to be in sid. i added the deb-src for sid to sources, and i build deps, but upon -b source, it wants to install 21.x |
| 09:23.27 | _agn_ | Supaplex: that worked thanx |
| 09:23.41 | byon | whats bts on lufs ? |
| 09:23.46 | Supaplex | !bts |
| 09:23.46 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 09:26.31 | byon | oh well |
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| 09:27.15 | bolt | Supaplex: hm.. it was complaining about some missing files. apparently, someone cleaned the /usr/src directory. |
| 09:27.21 | jtheuer | can I use utf8 enconding for ext3 partitions? |
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| 09:27.25 | bolt | Supaplex: however, not I have a much worse error |
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| 09:27.55 | bolt | Supaplex: /usr/src/modules/lufs/kernel/Linux/2.6/inode.c:515: error: too few arguments to function 'get_sb_nodev' |
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| 09:28.15 | sorsis | when dpkg starts update process of software, how is it different from fresh installation? |
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| 09:30.32 | fuzan | ah, so i found this: http://emacs.orebokech.com/ |
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| 09:31.14 | fuzan | would the advised method be to backport from the sid here, or is uplifting from stable safe into lenny? |
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| 09:34.49 | bolt | ah |
| 09:35.07 | jtheuer | /jpin #debian.de |
| 09:35.12 | jtheuer | arg |
| 09:35.14 | bolt | Supaplex: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=388386 |
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| 09:42.48 | delete[df] | ahhh |
| 09:43.03 | delete[df] | i install debian-40r0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 09:43.14 | delete[df] | give error in network |
| 09:43.27 | delete[df] | in internet card :@ |
| 09:43.34 | delete[df] | can't find.. |
| 09:43.52 | Gigantic | o.- crap, now I can't even import the gpg keys... *sniff* |
| 09:44.32 | delete[df] | who can help me?! |
| 09:45.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out? I get this when running apt-get upgrade: |
| 09:45.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.no.debian.org unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.no.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 09:45.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 09:45.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | And yes, I did run apt-get update |
| 09:45.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | It didn't help |
| 09:45.29 | whaq_ | jfgi |
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| 09:45.46 | sobersabre | hi guys. is there a usb sniffer for linux ? |
| 09:46.31 | delete[df] | i install debian-40r0-amd64-netinst.iso and give me error in network, in internet card :@...can't find internet card ;(.... |
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| 09:47.20 | sep | delete[df], find out what network card chip you have, google to find out of the kernel on the installer supports it. if not write 100 times on the blackboard. " i will buy supported hardware" |
| 09:47.43 | avtobiff | sobersabre, like usbview? |
| 09:47.48 | liable | sobersabre: that sniffs what? |
| 09:47.53 | delete[df] | isep |
| 09:47.55 | delete[df] | sep* |
| 09:47.59 | delete[df] | i know my card |
| 09:48.07 | delete[df] | and put on my card and can't find |
| 09:48.10 | sobersabre | Let's put it this way: there's a device with no linux support. |
| 09:48.15 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: mirror problems probably, try a bit later or choose another mirror |
| 09:48.21 | sobersabre | I want to listen windows talking to that device. |
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| 09:48.30 | sobersabre | and then to analyze the communication protocol |
| 09:48.34 | delete[df] | sep |
| 09:48.41 | sobersabre | liable: am I clearer now ? |
| 09:48.45 | delete[df] | i have 2 cards |
| 09:48.51 | delete[df] | and can't find |
| 09:48.54 | delete[df] | ohh 3* |
| 09:49.01 | delete[df] | r-tek |
| 09:49.05 | delete[df] | vie-rhene |
| 09:49.12 | delete[df] | and can't ?! |
| 09:49.18 | hark | via-rhine |
| 09:49.19 | sep | delete[df], you are making no sense whatsoever |
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| 09:49.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: Ok |
| 09:49.48 | sobersabre | avtobiff: usbview is (afaik) not sniffing the traffic, but requesting info on the usb network, and displays the results in a GUI. |
| 09:50.15 | sobersabre | I want to be able to catch all the bytes from controller to the device. |
| 09:50.19 | avtobiff | sobersabre, yes it is. you want a traffick sniffer? |
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| 09:50.31 | sobersabre | avtobiff: yes, usb traffic sniffer. |
| 09:50.50 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: happens sometimes here too, usually the case :) |
| 09:50.57 | sobersabre | are you sure usbview does this traffice sniffing ? |
| 09:51.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: Ok. Thanks :) |
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| 09:51.29 | jonny | I Was wandering if anyone can help me, i posted my GLX Error when i loaded a game on Linux->Debian Forums Yesterday but no replies, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/95106-glx-error-when-loading-tibia.html |
| 09:51.59 | hark | delete[df]: modprobe via-rhine ? |
| 09:52.22 | liable | jonny: put it on the mailing list. it gets much more traffic than a forum |
| 09:52.53 | jonny | mhm i think i tried that yesterday cant remember |
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| 09:53.14 | hark | you have to check it for replies :) |
| 09:53.20 | liable | jonny: also file a bug with whoever made the game |
| 09:53.53 | gonzaloaf | hi, I'm trying to duplicate a dvd with k3b but it fails when tries to eject the source dvd in order to insert the blank dvd, any clue? |
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| 09:54.12 | liable | jonny: this is a usefull web page http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 09:54.22 | jonny | k Thanks |
| 09:54.52 | avtobiff | sobersabre, have you checked http://linux-usb.org/ ? |
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| 09:58.19 | nathanj | iis there anyway I can get back to mirror selector like in the install of debian for my sources.list? |
| 09:58.32 | Insolit | hi all |
| 09:58.48 | Insolit | is there a way to set static rules to udev devices recognition |
| 09:58.59 | Insolit | my drives keep changing from sda to sde |
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| 10:00.02 | sobersabre | avtobiff: I am checking now. |
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| 10:00.44 | gonzaloaf | what should say in fstab about my dvd drive to ensure that k3b be able to ejet the media? |
| 10:00.58 | avtobiff | user maybe |
| 10:01.03 | avtobiff | gonzaloaf, user maybe |
| 10:01.42 | gonzaloaf | avtobiff, I have user,auto |
| 10:01.51 | avtobiff | ok. then i dont know. |
| 10:02.05 | avtobiff | gonzaloaf, doesn't it work? |
| 10:02.24 | avtobiff | gonzaloaf, i only have user,noauto |
| 10:02.35 | avtobiff | but then i dont use k3b either... |
| 10:02.51 | gonzaloaf | avtobiff, what do you use? |
| 10:02.55 | avtobiff | gonzaloaf, wodim |
| 10:03.06 | avtobiff | i have burned... one cd in a whole year. |
| 10:03.29 | gonzaloaf | :o |
| 10:03.39 | Coweater | is there any way to make iceweasel's font sizes actually correspond with every other apps fonts? |
| 10:04.24 | hark | ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ? |
| 10:05.00 | Coweater | i want the rendered fonts to not be different |
| 10:05.57 | hark | it has font settings in prefernces, if that's what you're asking |
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| 10:06.26 | Coweater | yeah, but a 12 pt font in firefox looks like an 8 pt in gtk |
| 10:07.52 | hark | yeah, somthing like that :0 |
| 10:08.54 | endra | hey |
| 10:09.01 | hark | i think i have a 15/12 or something for proportional/monospace |
| 10:09.05 | endra | if I wanted to create a folder shared between all users on the machine, where would I put it |
| 10:09.21 | endra | Well, at least, read access. |
| 10:09.28 | hark | !folder |
| 10:09.28 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 10:09.42 | mandingo | enrda: somewhere that had world read permissions?? |
| 10:10.18 | endra | mandingo: yes, but WHERE? |
| 10:10.26 | endra | Is there no special place for it? |
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| 10:10.36 | Doat | endra: wherever you want. as long as you chmod is correctly |
| 10:10.39 | hark | by default all home directories are world readable |
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| 10:10.48 | hark | according to the fhs? |
| 10:11.02 | Doat | yea. they should be |
| 10:11.54 | mandingo | endra: yeah man, anywhere you want! own your permissions! make em your bitch! :D |
| 10:12.07 | endra | Thanks |
| 10:12.19 | aboven | how was it i delete a floder in the terminal.. I have forgotten |
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| 10:12.41 | mandingo | rmdir |
| 10:13.03 | Eulex | you do not delete a folder in a terminal, you delete a directory |
| 10:13.17 | Eulex | a folder is the visual representation of a directory. |
| 10:13.18 | mandingo | heh, thanks :D |
| 10:13.29 | mandingo | wasn't gonna say anything |
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| 10:14.41 | dhe | Hi, is here someone who knows the tool "monit" good? |
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| 10:16.50 | aboven | how do i delete apache2-default and make /var/www as default server floder |
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| 10:18.06 | endra | How can I make a link file not show its parent directories and act as a root itself? |
| 10:18.07 | sobersabre | hmmm... does anybody here know if "Jonas" is a male name in Sweden ? |
| 10:18.11 | sobersabre | or a female ? |
| 10:18.23 | endra | So, if I link /foo/bar (symlink), and I open it, it should show / but in reality it is /foo/bar |
| 10:18.29 | sobersabre | Is it a biblical "Jonas" ? ( I mean male ) |
| 10:18.30 | aboven | Male lol -_-' |
| 10:18.42 | sobersabre | aboven: sorry, man... no idea.. |
| 10:18.57 | aboven | http://bartendermoe.ath.cx/ <--- look at this |
| 10:18.57 | endra | The reason I ask this is because I made a symlink of a directory in my home, and i don't want them to be able to go 'up' |
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| 10:19.33 | sobersabre | aboven: and what do I get by looking there ? |
| 10:19.36 | aboven | its just moves to that floder |
| 10:19.56 | endra | Better yet, how can I make root own the symlink, and not the directory it links to? |
| 10:20.01 | endra | This way, they can't remove it from desktop |
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| 10:20.23 | aboven | i want it removed so that floder "apache2-defualt" or that isnt default |
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| 10:20.54 | xand | endra: symlinks dont have permissions |
| 10:21.07 | endra | I see. |
| 10:21.10 | xand | endra: and permissions on the directory determine whether a file can be removed |
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| 10:21.17 | xand | not the file's permissions |
| 10:21.26 | xand | (file or symlink in this case) |
| 10:21.30 | endra | I meant the symlink itself |
| 10:21.38 | endra | I don't want them to accidently delete it and come back whining at me |
| 10:21.48 | Doat | sobersabre: i'm quite sure Jonas is a male name in Sweden. I live in Finland myself |
| 10:21.55 | xand | permissions of the parent directory determine whether it's deleteable |
| 10:22.14 | xand | or you could make it immutable with chattr |
| 10:22.20 | dhe | Hi, is here someone who knows the tool "monit" good? |
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| 10:22.30 | xand | !anyone |
| 10:22.30 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:22.39 | GeneralK | This problem isn't really Debian specific... but I can't figure this one out and maybe someone here knows. I'm running Courier and it's associated stuff and I can't figure out how to make it accept logins. When I try to log in with my user account via IMAP or POP3 it continually refuses. |
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| 10:23.05 | xand | GeneralK: try with ssl |
| 10:23.06 | Doat | !popcon |
| 10:23.06 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:23.06 | endra | Okay, Thank you. |
| 10:23.14 | GeneralK | xand: Yeah, I'm using ssl. |
| 10:23.26 | xand | look at the log |
| 10:23.32 | paras | channel, how do i use my serial devices like mouse, modem with etch? i have udev |
| 10:23.43 | xand | /var/log/mail.log |
| 10:23.49 | xand | or whatever |
| 10:25.16 | GeneralK | Yeah, all I get it LOGIN FAILED, user=ben, ip=blah |
| 10:25.53 | endra | Is there a meta package for games? |
| 10:26.00 | endra | (kde) |
| 10:26.24 | mandingo | GeneralK: what type of auth are you using un /etc/courier/authdaemonrc? |
| 10:26.41 | mandingo | is the authdaemon running? |
| 10:27.11 | GeneralK | mandingo: authpam and yes |
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| 10:30.17 | enouf | eisen: maybe helpful |
| 10:30.19 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/stable/games/ |
| 10:30.25 | enouf | er endra |
| 10:30.32 | enouf | apologies eisen |
| 10:30.43 | endra | Already found it, thank you :-) |
| 10:30.47 | endra | 'kdegames' :P |
| 10:30.53 | enouf | endra: also /msg dpkg search |
| 10:30.56 | endra | I'm setting up a family computer right now :-) |
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| 10:36.26 | Corephix | Hello, what type of kernel source do i need for a nvidia install for i686 |
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| 10:37.26 | asarch | Hey gus, you that you know everything about everything, is there any AutoCAD GPLed program a like? |
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| 10:39.12 | Corephix | Heard Qcad is good, not free... |
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| 10:39.49 | asarch | GPL for community edition, |
| 10:40.06 | Corephix | sorry |
| 10:41.23 | asarch | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? |
| 10:41.32 | asarch | ? |
| 10:41.45 | Guerin | asarch: make your own decision |
| 10:42.00 | asarch | Corephix: Thank you very much, I owe you a couple of beers! |
| 10:42.07 | Guerin | there is no good fre CAD software |
| 10:42.09 | asarch | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.17 | asarch | Damn! |
| 10:42.30 | Guerin | just like there is no good free video studio software |
| 10:42.41 | Guerin | it's very specialised gear, and incredibly hard to make |
| 10:42.55 | asarch | And what about VLC, mplayer,? |
| 10:43.16 | asarch | And that other which I cannot remember right now? |
| 10:43.20 | Guerin | asarch: they're superb players, but very poor at all the things studio software does |
| 10:43.22 | asarch | fmpeg? |
| 10:43.30 | Guerin | editing, colour and exposure matching, etc. |
| 10:43.33 | asarch | Ah. It's a pitty |
| 10:43.40 | Guerin | trust me on this one; I went to film skool |
| 10:44.11 | asarch | So is like web cams, there are none for GNU/Linux |
| 10:44.29 | xand | webcams are hardware... |
| 10:44.44 | asarch | I mean, support... :-D |
| 10:44.49 | xand | the ones I've tried Just Work |
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| 10:45.08 | asarch | Which one was it? |
| 10:45.21 | xand | dont know |
| 10:45.24 | SoulChild | Hey all |
| 10:45.32 | Corephix | asarch, ssomthing to look for http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html |
| 10:45.43 | SoulChild | a new day on this nice Debian ... damn i love it :D |
| 10:45.50 | eat_life | for /etc/aliases, can i put root: "email@domain.com" ? |
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| 10:46.09 | Guerin | asarch: shitloads of webcams work with linux |
| 10:46.21 | asarch | Really? |
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| 10:46.38 | asarch | Corephix: There are *A LOT* of CAD programs, right? |
| 10:46.39 | Guerin | asarch: yes. Mostly not cheap/shit ones. |
| 10:46.45 | SoulChild | When i log in, in terminal there stands: "You have mail",... where can i chekc this mail ??? |
| 10:47.04 | Guerin | SoulChild: /var/spool/mail/ |
| 10:47.04 | eat_life | install a mail client |
| 10:47.20 | SoulChild | Guerin: thanks |
| 10:47.23 | hark | type mail |
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| 10:48.13 | nathanj | iis there anyway I can get back to mirror selector like in the install of debian for my sources.list? |
| 10:48.21 | nathanj | i need to rebuild my file.. |
| 10:48.23 | Guerin | nathanj: apt-setup |
| 10:48.26 | Corephix | asarch i dont know what is good, but i will get autocad in school soon, think i will buy qcad, not that expencive |
| 10:48.28 | Guerin | nathanj: or use apt-spy |
| 10:48.29 | nathanj | Guerin thanks |
| 10:48.29 | hark | no, not for etch and greater |
| 10:48.39 | SoulChild | Guerin: how can i delete this? simply rm ? |
| 10:48.50 | nathanj | Guerin neither command is found...? |
| 10:48.53 | Guerin | SoulChild: you don't want to do that. |
| 10:48.58 | asarch | Corephix: Thanks man, actually it has what I was looking for |
| 10:49.00 | Guerin | nathanj: netselect-apt? |
| 10:49.09 | Guerin | nathanj: you might have to install apt-spy |
| 10:49.13 | nathanj | ok |
| 10:49.15 | asarch | Guerin: Thanks man |
| 10:49.21 | asarch | See ya guys!!! |
| 10:49.26 | nathanj | Guerin that one doesnt work either :9 |
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| 10:49.52 | Corephix | think varicad was free before |
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| 10:50.25 | SoulChild | Guerin: how can i mark this mail as read,... ??? |
| 10:50.48 | Guerin | SoulChild: using a mail client |
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| 10:50.56 | SoulChild | hmmm |
| 10:51.03 | Guerin | i recomment mutt |
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| 10:51.08 | SoulChild | okay |
| 10:51.45 | nathanj | Guerin any more ideas? |
| 10:52.00 | SoulChild | Guerin: can i also do so with thunderbird/icedove ? |
| 10:52.00 | Guerin | nathanj: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 10:52.06 | Guerin | SoulChild: sure. |
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| 10:52.24 | SoulChild | Guerin: but how ? i meant the mail in /var/spool/mail |
| 10:53.12 | Guerin | SoulChild: i don't know chundrebird, but if it can't take an arbitrary spool file name, i'll be shocked. |
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| 10:55.24 | spheard | Im using this little loop to process some images. "for i in * ; do convert -normalize -resize 800x600! "$i" convert/$i.jpg; echo $i; done" I want to make this part of a bigger loop. The big loop ($b) will be the little loop ($i) 8 times. I will use $b for the filenames. I need two or more variables that will change throughout the duration of big loop $colour, and $saturation ($saturation = $saturation +/- 1). can anyone give me a hand with the |
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| 10:56.47 | spheard | I have a sequence of a beating heart, each little loop is 1 beat |
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| 10:57.10 | Guerin | spheard: #bash |
| 10:57.33 | nathanj | debian doesn't seem to like my dns forwarded from my router ;s |
| 10:59.25 | nathanj | how do i configure my dns addresses? |
| 10:59.37 | xand | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:59.43 | xand | but not if you're using dhcp |
| 10:59.47 | nathanj | ta |
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| 11:00.13 | nathanj | xand i have to overide the dhcp because debian doesn't like using 10.1.1.1 which is a dns forwarder on the router. :S |
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| 11:00.35 | xand | why doesnt it? is it in the right subnet? |
| 11:02.05 | SoulChild | Are there still problems with firefox/iceweasel and Flash ??? |
| 11:02.31 | nathanj | xand yes it is, i have had this prob with debian and my router before - works ok with ubuntu/red hat/etc. |
| 11:02.37 | nathanj | its odd. :D |
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| 11:02.42 | SoulChild | Cause if i see a flash movies, my iceweasel browser crashes often |
| 11:04.35 | SoulChild | Does ubuntu also have to rename firefox ? |
| 11:05.08 | wols | ask them, not us |
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| 11:05.14 | nathanj | dpkg~! |
| 11:05.15 | nathanj | :D |
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| 11:06.16 | xand | nathanj: and what's the error message? |
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| 11:07.28 | nathanj | xand everything resolves to 1.0.0.0 |
| 11:07.41 | petemc | ive seen shitty routers that do that |
| 11:07.52 | petemc | its a known bug |
| 11:08.02 | nathanj | petemc this is a D-Link 604T its _ok_ |
| 11:08.15 | petemc | nathanj: its ok, except that it resolves everything to 1.0.0.0 ? |
| 11:08.22 | fengor | some people would debate the use of ok and d-link in the same sentence ;p |
| 11:08.28 | nathanj | petemc yeah :( |
| 11:08.40 | nathanj | i might upgrade the firmware see if it fixes. |
| 11:08.55 | petemc | aptitude install bind9 |
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| 11:09.19 | wols | nathanj: d-link is never ok. it's always shitty |
| 11:09.28 | wols | petemc: eeek! |
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| 11:09.46 | petemc | wols: hmm? |
| 11:09.55 | wols | nathanj: install dnsmasq, point it to your ISP's DNS server |
| 11:10.06 | wols | petemc: why would anyone install bind9 for caching only? |
| 11:10.07 | petemc | bind9 is a great caching server |
| 11:10.11 | petemc | ^^ |
| 11:10.16 | nathanj | the machine i am setting up will be proxy/dns :) |
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| 11:10.22 | petemc | wols: why wouldnt they? |
| 11:10.23 | mynullvoid | hi all |
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| 11:10.48 | wols | nathanj: use dnsmasq. it's made for this |
| 11:10.50 | wols | !bind |
| 11:10.50 | dpkg | well, bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/. "apt-get install bind9-doc", or try #bind |
| 11:10.57 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 11:11.10 | nathanj | wols & petemc ta |
| 11:11.15 | petemc | wols: you're ignoring my question? whats wrong with bind9 ? |
| 11:11.18 | wols | petemc: just like sendmail is a great MTA |
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| 11:11.58 | petemc | wols: if you're referring to our previous 'discussion', you made statement against the sendmail interfav |
| 11:12.01 | petemc | interface |
| 11:12.10 | mynullvoid | anyone can help me to convert a .pkg to .deb or tar.gz - http://test.jarkeborn.se/SquirrelOutlook/dist/SquirrelOutlook-v0.3.2-2007-01-18_21.54.46.zip |
| 11:12.14 | petemc | unqualified statements |
| 11:12.28 | mynullvoid | my alien seems unable to handle this solaris package |
| 11:12.43 | petemc | wols: so, ill ask again - whats wrong with bind9 ? |
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| 11:14.21 | SoulChild | I am bored :( |
| 11:14.33 | SoulChild | anyone played sauerbraten ??? |
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| 11:16.33 | wols | petemc: the same thing that's wrong with sendmail vs. postfix/exim |
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| 11:17.12 | amimusa | hello, i would like to know what packages i have installed in my system in command line. i have upgraded from sarge and then i have run debfoster and i am a little lost. thanks |
| 11:17.37 | wols | dpg -l |grep ii |
| 11:18.22 | petemc | wols: are you confused? as i mentioned, the previous discussion was around the sendmail interface at /usr/lib/sendmail , which is provided by mtas such as exim, which you said was historical baggage, but didnt elaborate on |
| 11:18.24 | tarzeau | SoulChild: i do |
| 11:18.27 | tarzeau | SoulChild: great game, no? |
| 11:18.41 | SoulChild | tarzeau: hey tarzeau... remeber me ? |
| 11:18.42 | tarzeau | SoulChild: play tonight? get the extra maps from http://www.quadropolis.us/ |
| 11:18.44 | tarzeau | SoulChild: sure |
| 11:18.46 | SoulChild | tarzeau: i didn#t play yet |
| 11:18.53 | SoulChild | tarzeau: i am downloading ,.. |
| 11:19.00 | SoulChild | tarzeau: is it also a multiplayer game |
| 11:19.01 | petemc | wols: consequently, that doesnt translate into anything substantial that can be said against bind9 |
| 11:19.04 | tarzeau | SoulChild: i'm making a mirror of sauerbraten maps, then sorting out the good levels, then checking the licenses |
| 11:19.12 | tarzeau | SoulChild: and packaging an extra levels package (for main) |
| 11:19.23 | SoulChild | tarzeau: wooow great |
| 11:19.28 | tarzeau | SoulChild: single player, multiplayer (instagib, ffd, cta, team) |
| 11:19.36 | SoulChild | JUHU :D |
| 11:19.37 | tarzeau | SoulChild: BESTEST GAME!!1 |
| 11:19.53 | SoulChild | tarzeau: hahah Bestest... do u also speak german ? |
| 11:19.57 | fengor | what is sauerbraten? |
| 11:20.04 | SoulChild | fengor: like quake 3 |
| 11:20.08 | petemc | wols: am i to presume that you dont have any technical arguments to back up your blanket statements? |
| 11:20.09 | fengor | ah ok |
| 11:20.15 | Gigantic | ok, can someone tell me how to verify the sha of the dvd? |
| 11:20.17 | tarzeau | SoulChild: ja |
| 11:20.20 | tarzeau | fengor: www.sauerbraten.org |
| 11:20.24 | tarzeau | SoulChild: much better imho! |
| 11:20.26 | SoulChild | fengor: but nicer graphics |
| 11:20.36 | tarzeau | fengor: if you have etch, i've got a backport :) |
| 11:20.53 | Gigantic | mmm I think I remember... |
| 11:20.58 | fengor | yeahim running etch ;) |
| 11:21.13 | fengor | seems liek definately worth a look |
| 11:21.21 | tarzeau | fengor: http://gnu.ethz.ch/backports/ |
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| 11:21.38 | SoulChild | tarzeau: hehe ... well 5 min remaining, than i ll play... |
| 11:21.39 | fengor | thank you tarzeau |
| 11:21.46 | tarzeau | SoulChild: i put 'em here before sorting 'em out: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/sauerbraten-maps/maps/ |
| 11:21.47 | Gigantic | gpg --verify SHA1SUMS.sign debian.iso right? |
| 11:21.53 | tarzeau | SoulChild: i can play only in 5 hours.... |
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| 11:24.52 | SoulChild | tarzeau: still there ? |
| 11:25.06 | tarzeau | SoulChild: yes |
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| 11:27.06 | SoulChild | tarzeau: do i need a good graphics card ? |
| 11:27.26 | tarzeau | SoulChild: nvidia or ati with the fast drivers (nvidia or fglrx) |
| 11:27.32 | SoulChild | tarzeau: and is the game precompiled ??? |
| 11:27.49 | SoulChild | tarzeau: Nooo... i only have an intel graphics card on my notebook :( |
| 11:28.01 | SoulChild | :( |
| 11:28.11 | tarzeau | SoulChild: yes apt-get install sauerbraten (you need contrib/non-free and lenny+) or use my backport |
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| 11:29.03 | SoulChild | tarzeau: damn i downloaded from sourceforge ... can i still install ? |
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| 11:29.44 | tarzeau | SoulChild: i woulnd't install binary software not in debian package form |
| 11:29.56 | tarzeau | SoulChild: likewise for from source unless you know very well what you do |
| 11:30.21 | SoulChild | tarzeau: actually i don't so i have to install again via apt |
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| 11:30.31 | tarzeau | SoulChild: yes, that's the good way |
| 11:30.54 | blackest | any one got a udev rule for multiple dvb cards ? |
| 11:31.19 | Gigantic | crap, The 3 DVD's are broken... |
| 11:31.42 | tarzeau | Gigantic: what dvds? |
| 11:32.12 | Gigantic | tarzeau: The Debian DVD's,... passed the md5sum but not the gpg |
| 11:32.24 | tarzeau | Gigantic: haha. you don't have internet? |
| 11:32.26 | Gigantic | tarzeau: Gotta dowload again... |
| 11:32.34 | tarzeau | Gigantic: why do people download dvds? just install with only the 1st cd? |
| 11:32.43 | jelly-home | if they pass the md5sum they're probably ok |
| 11:33.00 | SoulChild | tarzeau: what is on the first cd ? |
| 11:33.10 | Gigantic | tarzeau: Well it's broken too, and I have dial up btm |
| 11:33.11 | SoulChild | tarzeau: only gnome and base files, right ? |
| 11:33.12 | tarzeau | SoulChild: enough to get it installed |
| 11:33.22 | SoulChild | ahh cool... |
| 11:33.26 | tarzeau | SoulChild: dunno about gnome, i don't use gnome |
| 11:33.32 | jelly-home | unless you got the md5sum from the same place you got the possibly-trojaned dvd images |
| 11:33.35 | SoulChild | tarzeau: what else do u use ? |
| 11:33.51 | tarzeau | SoulChild: normally the software i maintain for debian |
| 11:34.07 | tarzeau | SoulChild: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 11:34.08 | bl0ck | hi all |
| 11:34.09 | Gigantic | jelly-home: I see no other option... |
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| 11:34.19 | SoulChild | tarzeau: i meant, do u not use a GUI ? |
| 11:34.28 | SoulChild | tarzeau: like kde or something |
| 11:34.29 | tarzeau | SoulChild: yes i use a GUI, let me show you a screenshot |
| 11:34.34 | tarzeau | SoulChild: nah, i don't use KDE |
| 11:34.42 | bl0ck | how can i turn off cron email notification, or change the email address on which the notification is sent |
| 11:34.45 | amimusa | hi, how can i fix my problem with spacial characters... i mean i am spanish and i can see ñ ¿ on the console... |
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| 11:34.59 | Gigantic | jelly-home: The freaking cd's luckily didn't burn, I'm gonna be more carefull with the signatures now |
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| 11:35.27 | SoulChild | tarzeau: okay,,... i am "neugierig" :D |
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| 11:35.35 | tarzeau | SoulChild: wmaker/gnustep: http://cow.ethz.ch/ocp.png |
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| 11:35.42 | Gigantic | bl0ck: You can alias emails and the system ca be disabled trough portfix service |
| 11:35.50 | jelly-home | Gigantic: hopefully you can rsync instead of download it all over again |
| 11:35.53 | tarzeau | SoulChild: xterm compatible, but nicer font |
| 11:36.12 | bl0ck | Gigantic, portfix? |
| 11:36.24 | Gigantic | jelly-home: I'm gonna try : ) Never used rsync yet... |
| 11:36.36 | Gigantic | bl0ck: brb: postfix |
| 11:36.39 | SoulChild | tarzeau: looks cool |
| 11:36.39 | lbt | I need a music player that will vary the tempo without varying the pitch... any suggestions? |
| 11:36.50 | tarzeau | SoulChild: then get http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 11:36.57 | tarzeau | lbt: ocp! |
| 11:37.04 | bl0ck | Gigantic, on the problematic server there is qmail installed |
| 11:37.05 | tarzeau | lbt: opencubicplayer can do that, on some music files |
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| 11:37.23 | tarzeau | lbt: press \ then f9-f12 |
| 11:37.26 | SoulChild | tarzeau: not bad,... so u don't use debian ??? |
| 11:37.32 | tarzeau | SoulChild: yes i use debian |
| 11:37.39 | Gigantic | bl0ck: srry, didn't see that part |
| 11:37.52 | tarzeau | SoulChild: that live cd is based on debian and comes with preconfigured gnustep and wmaker |
| 11:37.55 | lbt | tarzeau: saw your screenshot and thought you may know ;) |
| 11:38.07 | tarzeau | lbt: heh :) |
| 11:38.18 | tarzeau | Gigantic: i hate rpm |
| 11:38.29 | Gigantic | tarzeau: :) |
| 11:38.34 | tarzeau | Gigantic: whenever i get a root shell (by accident, or at friend) on a rpm system, i do rpm -e rpm |
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| 11:38.46 | Gigantic | tarzeau: Thre's apt4rpm tho |
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| 11:38.50 | tarzeau | Gigantic: it's crap |
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| 11:39.01 | SoulChild | tarzeau: i prefere gnome or fluxbox : D ,... looks to difficult to me, i just use linux for 6 months |
| 11:39.05 | bl0ck | Gigantic, ok - lets say that i need the cron notification but i do not want to receive it on the email on which i receive it right now... what exactly should i do |
| 11:39.09 | tarzeau | Gigantic: it's not just about the packagemanager it's also about the quality of the packaged software, and amount |
| 11:39.25 | tarzeau | SoulChild: that's nice, anyone can use whatever he wants |
| 11:39.30 | SoulChild | tarzeau: 2 minutes remaining for installation of sauerbraten ,... |
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| 11:39.45 | SoulChild | tarzeau: are u sure it won't work with intel graphics cards ? |
| 11:39.53 | tarzeau | SoulChild: no i'm not sure, but you will tell me |
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| 11:40.02 | SoulChild | tarzeau: evet :D |
| 11:40.06 | tarzeau | SoulChild: if you get less than 30 fps, it's not fun |
| 11:40.07 | Gigantic | bl0ck: I've never touched qmail |
| 11:40.26 | Gigantic | bl0ck: I swear official I didn't touch her... err.. |
| 11:40.38 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.42 | SoulChild | tarzeau: there are a lot of kurdish people in switzerland, right ? |
| 11:40.43 | bl0ck | Gigantic, is it all about MTA here, i tought cron has to be tweaked |
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| 11:42.16 | SoulChild | tarzeau: okay installed,.. let me check :D |
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| 11:42.17 | tarzeau | SoulChild: maybe. i don't know |
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| 11:44.14 | SoulChild | tarzeau: DMan,... blank screen, no reaction :( |
| 11:44.29 | tarzeau | SoulChild: maybe intel cards are just crap |
| 11:44.41 | tarzeau | SoulChild: i don't know. abrotman says they are great |
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| 11:44.57 | tarzeau | SoulChild: i don't have etch on the intel gfx cards here... but i'll try it too |
| 11:45.01 | SoulChild | tarzeau: i ll check requiments |
| 11:45.20 | tarzeau | SoulChild: can you try brutalchess or briquolo? |
| 11:45.27 | tarzeau | SoulChild: if any of them work, sauerbraten should too |
| 11:45.54 | SoulChild | okay... i ll chekc |
| 11:46.29 | JarJarBinks | I can't find oprofile-modules from sources list, it is recommended by prospect, but apt-cache policy oprofile-modules0.[2-8] have no installation candidates... does anybody know of the sources.list entry I need? |
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| 11:47.29 | SoulChild | tarzeau: brutalchess works |
| 11:48.16 | SoulChild | tarzeau: but very very slowly :( |
| 11:48.22 | tarzeau | SoulChild: that means it doesn't works |
| 11:48.30 | tarzeau | SoulChild: very very slowly = unplayable = doesn't work |
| 11:48.39 | SoulChild | tarzeau: okay... :D |
| 11:48.40 | tarzeau | SoulChild: get a real video card :) |
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| 11:50.43 | SoulChild | tarzeau: i am on a notebook :( |
| 11:50.56 | SoulChild | tarzeau: anyway i don't have much time for playing games,... i am a student |
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| 11:51.49 | SoulChild | * hmmm |
| 11:52.10 | SoulChild | tarzeau: how do u write such things,.. "tarzeu shrugs" |
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| 11:52.54 | SoulChild | i have to learn a lot with IRC ,... |
| 11:53.10 | tarzeau | SoulChild: /me whatever |
| 11:53.28 | SoulChild | great |
| 11:53.51 | SoulChild | hello |
| 11:54.01 | SoulChild | cool cool ... |
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| 11:54.44 | haary | Hi, we use Etch with OpenLDAP, upgraded from sarge. Now we have some strand phenomenon that the membership can't not be found for all groups. |
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| 11:55.07 | SoulChild | hehe ,... |
| 11:55.15 | SoulChild | tarzeau: how old are u ? |
| 11:55.20 | liable | small tings.. |
| 11:55.30 | haary | E.g: id -G: 513 1027 1029 1073 1112 3401 19901 22150 43236 55873 60223 |
| 11:55.30 | liable | things too |
| 11:55.46 | haary | id -G username: 513 22150 43236 19901 1027 1029 1073 1112 |
| 11:56.07 | tarzeau | SoulChild: 29 |
| 11:56.17 | haary | id username doesn't find all groups the user is member of |
| 11:56.20 | SoulChild | tarzeau: ahh... working |
| 11:56.59 | SoulChild | ? |
| 11:57.17 | tarzeau | SoulChild: it's off-topic |
| 11:57.26 | SoulChild | tarzeau: sorry,... just bored :D |
| 11:57.32 | tarzeau | SoulChild: play nethack |
| 11:57.35 | liable | unless you want to play games! |
| 11:57.42 | SoulChild | tarzeau: what's that ? |
| 11:57.44 | tarzeau | SoulChild: or www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ plan a tutorial |
| 11:57.46 | liable | beaten to the punch |
| 11:58.13 | SoulChild | tarzeau: ahhh Gürkan ,... nice name ;) |
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| 11:58.42 | SoulChild | what does tarzeau mean ?? |
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| 11:58.54 | tarzeau | SoulChild: look it's off-topic |
| 11:59.11 | [5013] | Does the default etch install put a firewall up or something ? I can't seem to connect to servers in games :/ |
| 11:59.20 | tarzeau | [5013]: no |
| 11:59.32 | tarzeau | [5013]: which games? |
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| 11:59.47 | [5013] | tarzeau, quake3 |
| 12:00.19 | [5013] | and enemy territory |
| 12:00.29 | tarzeau | [5013]: have you tried www.sauerbraten.org yet? |
| 12:00.57 | liable | tarzeau: your the biggest game pimp i have seen evar! |
| 12:00.58 | Gigantic | isn't ET still for comming out? |
| 12:01.10 | tarzeau | liable: heh :) |
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| 12:06.23 | crescent_ | hi, easy question, I try to unmount a cdrom drive but getting umount2: Device or resource busy I am not in the directory of the mounted cd |
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| 12:06.48 | [5013] | hmm armagetron seems to be able to connect |
| 12:06.50 | tarzeau | crescent_: fuser -k /cdrom |
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| 12:06.57 | [5013] | so what's wrong with q3 and et ? |
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| 12:09.02 | crescent_ | tarzeau : what is my problem, I made a google search on it but could not understand that |
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| 12:11.03 | liable | crescent_: its a command he suggested to try |
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| 12:11.42 | Gigantic | mmm... I am trying to use rsync to get the Debian DVDs, I am trying: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::debian-cd/ |
| 12:12.27 | crescent_ | liable: yes I checked the man page, it killed the processes using the cdrom, it worked |
| 12:12.27 | Gigantic | but I get just a list |
| 12:12.27 | Gigantic | What I am missing? |
| 12:12.27 | tarzeau | Gigantic: why not wget or lftp ? |
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| 12:12.27 | tarzeau | Gigantic: you shouldn't use rsync |
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| 12:12.28 | Gigantic | tarzeau: Got corrupted dvds |
| 12:12.28 | tarzeau | Gigantic: both, ftp and http (wget/lftp) can do resumes |
| 12:12.28 | tarzeau | Gigantic: i don't think so |
| 12:12.38 | tarzeau | Gigantic: i think you don't know how to use pgp |
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| 12:12.44 | Gigantic | tarzeau: According to gpg and wodim yes |
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| 12:12.56 | tarzeau | Gigantic: i also think nobody needs the DVD |
| 12:13.26 | [5013] | well my xqf is also just giving too few servers :/ |
| 12:14.03 | cast | for values of nobody > 0 |
| 12:14.08 | Gigantic | tarzeau: Nobody that have broadband, my current brodband connection is borrowed |
| 12:14.23 | Gigantic | tarzeau: I have dial only by the moment |
| 12:14.32 | Gigantic | well, in general I mean |
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| 12:14.52 | tarzeau | Gigantic: then get used to slow updates/installations |
| 12:15.02 | kairu0 | if i have 2 disks and i want to use one as a backup, am i better off with raid mirroring or just a rsync script once a day? |
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| 12:15.12 | Gigantic | tarzeau: 'cmon man... |
| 12:15.21 | tarzeau | kairu0: personally i'd use the rsync |
| 12:15.25 | tarzeau | Gigantic: yes i'm serious |
| 12:15.32 | tarzeau | Gigantic: use the network installer, and do it |
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| 12:15.42 | tarzeau | Gigantic: or get faster internet |
| 12:16.01 | liable | kairu0: raid mirroring doesnt help with filesystem corruption |
| 12:16.14 | Gigantic | tarzeau: -.- |
| 12:16.35 | kairu0 | tarzeau, would you rsync once a day or more? |
| 12:16.49 | tarzeau | kairu0: depends how often data change |
| 12:17.34 | kairu0 | i see |
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| 12:17.57 | kairu0 | if i had raid5 would i have any protection again filesystem corruption? |
| 12:18.11 | cast | nope. |
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| 12:18.38 | kairu0 | ok so forgetting raid and just keeping a spare |
| 12:18.39 | kairu0 | got it |
| 12:18.48 | cast | see raid increases availability |
| 12:18.57 | cast | but it is not replacement for a backup in any way |
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| 12:20.25 | kairu0 | if had a spare drive and i set a hard disk power saving something in the bios, would it just spin down the 2nd drive when its not backing up? |
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| 12:21.39 | liable | use hdparm for that |
| 12:21.39 | kairu0 | oh didnt know it could do that |
| 12:21.41 | cast | you can set standby times |
| 12:21.47 | kairu0 | cool |
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| 12:26.08 | nathanj | is something up with security.debian.org? |
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| 12:26.47 | omrii | I have the following CPU: "model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 5130 @ 2.00GHz" |
| 12:26.53 | omrii | does the amd64 arch support it? |
| 12:27.39 | kairu0 | omrii, why would an amd arch support intel cpus? |
| 12:27.46 | azeem_ | kairu0: because it does |
| 12:27.55 | azeem | omrii: likely, though I'm not 100% sure |
| 12:27.59 | kairu0 | really? |
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| 12:28.03 | omrii | what is the IA64 arch for? |
| 12:28.06 | wols | omrii: it does. it's a woodcrest |
| 12:28.13 | wols | omrii: itanium |
| 12:28.13 | azeem | kairu0: em64t CPUs are essentially amd64 |
| 12:28.13 | kairu0 | hmm ok good to know |
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| 12:28.45 | omrii | wols, would any other arch work on this processor? (besides amd64, x86) |
| 12:28.50 | azeem | omrii: no |
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| 12:29.01 | nathanj | wols could i use dnsmasq as a internal dns server? |
| 12:29.04 | omrii | azeem, is that 100% sure? |
| 12:29.09 | omrii | where can I read about it? |
| 12:29.24 | azeem | omrii: yes, no idea |
| 12:29.25 | nathanj | wols so i can resolve names of pcs if i set them up in dnsmasq or something |
| 12:29.29 | wols | nathanj: yes. and as a dhcp server too |
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| 12:29.38 | Gigantic | omrii: you can't |
| 12:29.39 | omrii | azeem, ok, thanks |
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| 12:29.52 | nathanj | wols cool :) |
| 12:29.52 | wols | simply put them into /etc/hosts and dnsmasq will resolve them for the lan |
| 12:29.55 | nathanj | apt-geting now ;) |
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| 12:30.19 | wols | ie. on the /etc/hosts on the host dnsmasq runs on |
| 12:30.25 | Gigantic | *wikipedia to the rescue... |
| 12:30.38 | wols | omry: i am 100% sure. you can read up on it on wikipedia |
| 12:30.39 | ma3x | i dont have screen saver setup in kde and it still blanks out the screen. how do i disable it? |
| 12:31.05 | wols | emt64 is what intel calls its x86-64. they were forced to use it after amd inttroduced it and had a huge success |
| 12:31.07 | Gigantic | ma3x: in the powersaving settings |
| 12:31.19 | wols | intel wanted to sell higher priced itaniums instead but that didn't work |
| 12:31.40 | Gigantic | ma3x: kcmshell display |
| 12:31.41 | ma3x | Gigantic, it's not checked to blank out the screen |
| 12:32.13 | ma3x | Gigantic, and display power management is disabled |
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| 12:32.57 | Gigantic | ma3x: Enable it and set time 'unlimited' |
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| 12:33.10 | coldsteal | hello |
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| 12:33.20 | coldsteal | i dont have /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build |
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| 12:33.29 | coldsteal | how do i get it |
| 12:33.40 | Gigantic | ma3x: Thre are already other things blanking the screen so you can get KDE to override 'em |
| 12:33.47 | liable | coldsteal: linux-headers for your running kernel |
| 12:34.04 | coldsteal | liable: can i apt that? |
| 12:34.18 | liable | coldsteal: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 12:34.29 | ma3x | Gigantic, under power control you can only set standby after suspend after and poweroff after |
| 12:34.36 | liable | coldsteal: learn to use apt-cache search |
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| 12:35.02 | coldsteal | sweet i got it |
| 12:35.03 | Gigantic | liable: set suspend to unlimited and you'll see |
| 12:35.13 | Gigantic | liable: srry :p |
| 12:35.19 | Gigantic | liable: wrong nick |
| 12:35.24 | liable | np |
| 12:35.32 | Gigantic | ma3x: set suspend to unlimited and you'll see |
| 12:35.32 | ma3x | Gigantic, suspend ? |
| 12:35.53 | Gigantic | ma3x: automatically will set others as unlimited |
| 12:36.05 | ma3x | Gigantic, there is no unlimited. max 120 min |
| 12:36.20 | bowsey-unix | hi! I have a PII 233 MHz/256 MB RAM and whatever I do while configuring my 2.6.xxx kernel, I have a boot of 1min30 :( I never tried a 2.4 kernel though. Would that help? |
| 12:36.24 | luca____ | good afternoon :) |
| 12:36.27 | [5013] | hmm, I can play online armagetron from etch, but neither warsow or quake3 work |
| 12:36.30 | Gigantic | ma3x: it related with the machine 'suspend' |
| 12:36.48 | ma3x | Gigantic, there is no unlimited |
| 12:36.49 | Gigantic | brbr |
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| 12:37.02 | Gigantic | ma3x: I meant: it is not |
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| 12:37.07 | Phil2[Desktop] | hi there, I'm having a bit of an issue... |
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| 12:37.17 | Gigantic | ma3x: ok, set it in 12o then |
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| 12:38.09 | Phil2[Desktop] | I'm trying to copy a file over from laptop to my desktop. The desktop is running samba server. However, during the transfer, the network interface just dies and I have to ifup && ifdown it in order to get it working again |
| 12:38.45 | Gigantic | ma3x: or if you like mess with the powersave stuff |
| 12:38.50 | wols | Phil2[Desktop]: check dmesg. check your ifconfig to see if there are errors |
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| 12:39.08 | ma3x | Gigantic, so if I set it to 120, it will blank out after 120 |
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| 12:39.20 | Phil2[Desktop] | hmmm |
| 12:39.20 | Gigantic | ma3x: yep |
| 12:39.33 | liable | Phil2[Desktop]: initial thought would be a driver problem, what card? |
| 12:39.54 | Gigantic | Phil2[Desktop]: Maybe the files ar too big?? |
| 12:40.10 | Phil2[Desktop] | 00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Accton Technology Corporation SMC2-1211TX (rev 10) |
| 12:40.38 | Gigantic | dunno if Samba has issues with large files |
| 12:40.44 | Phil2[Desktop] | the drive it's going onto has 3.1Gb left on it |
| 12:40.49 | Phil2[Desktop] | smbfs has a 2Gb limit |
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| 12:41.01 | Phil2[Desktop] | but, this is windows->linux (which I belive has no limit) |
| 12:41.11 | Phil2[Desktop] | but the file is only about 800mb anyway |
| 12:41.12 | [5013] | Nobody knows why I can't connect to warsow or quake3 servers from etch ? |
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| 12:41.55 | wols | !tell [5013] about smart questions |
| 12:41.59 | Phil2[Desktop] | the same model of card is used in my Debian server without issue liable |
| 12:42.43 | [5013] | wols, you sure debian etch doesn't come with default port filtering installed or something ? |
| 12:42.56 | Azio | heh |
| 12:42.58 | Azio | it doesn't |
| 12:42.58 | wols | I am sure |
| 12:43.06 | coldsteal | when i use locate i get locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory |
| 12:43.16 | wols | coldsteal: updatedb |
| 12:43.16 | Azio | updatedb |
| 12:43.23 | coldsteal | ok thanks |
| 12:43.27 | avtobiff | palindrom_, vtobiff@commodore:~$ grep rsync /etc/services |
| 12:43.27 | avtobiff | rsync 873/tcp |
| 12:43.28 | avtobiff | rsync 873/udp |
| 12:43.31 | avtobiff | fuck... sorry |
| 12:43.37 | wols | coldsteal: and run anacron instead of cron |
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| 12:44.35 | coldsteal | wols: whats the diff |
| 12:44.58 | wols | it will run the cronjobs which happened when your PC was off |
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| 12:45.26 | wols | meaning such a locate problem and others won't happen anymore. right now you don't have logrotate either I think |
| 12:45.44 | lbt | well, anacron breaks jobs into daily, weekly, montly etc |
| 12:45.56 | lbt | and then tries to run daily jobs when you turn the pc on |
| 12:46.04 | lbt | making sure not to run them too many times |
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| 12:49.06 | test | does wine in etch work at all? |
| 12:49.47 | hark | yes, or check the bts |
| 12:50.19 | test | i cant run anything it crashes |
| 12:51.03 | hark | depends on the app, have a look at appdb.winehq.org for issues with them |
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| 12:52.47 | test | dont think my program is listed |
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| 12:54.06 | Phil2[Desktop] | blah |
| 12:54.23 | Phil2[Desktop] | just tried over scp too and the interface dies again |
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| 12:54.59 | wols | nothing in dmesg? |
| 12:55.16 | Phil2[Desktop] | no wols |
| 12:55.32 | Phil2[Desktop] | Jun 4 13:53:20 localhost gconfd (root-3833): Resolved address "xml:readonly:/var/lib/gconf/defaults" to a read-only configuration source at position 4 |
| 12:55.37 | Phil2[Desktop] | that's the last thing in it |
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| 12:57.50 | wols | since when pits gconfd messages in kernel log? |
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| 12:57.58 | wols | did you check syslog or smesg? |
| 12:58.11 | wols | *dmesg |
| 12:58.31 | wols | not to mention that dmesg has no timestamps... |
| 12:58.32 | Phil2[Desktop] | just checked syslog then |
| 12:58.46 | Phil2[Desktop] | has the same as dmesg |
| 12:58.47 | wols | then maybe do what I said instead? |
| 12:58.58 | Phil2[Desktop] | I did do what you said... |
| 12:59.05 | Phil2[Desktop] | what I pasted you was from dmesg |
| 12:59.12 | Phil2[Desktop] | but is also in syslog |
| 12:59.14 | wols | gconfd, a userspace progran writing into kernel messages? I don't believe you |
| 12:59.31 | wols | that is not from dmesg, since dmesg has no timestamps |
| 12:59.44 | Phil2[Desktop] | eh, nevermind, my mistaKE |
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| 13:00.14 | wols | so what did your kernel say? it should talk about ethX link down at least |
| 13:01.07 | Phil2[Desktop] | but there is nothing in dmesg nor kern.log |
| 13:01.21 | tarzeau | can someone help with http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/brl-cad/brlcad_0+20070603-1_i386.build ? |
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| 13:05.29 | wols | tarzeau: does tclStubsPtr exist in any of your libs? |
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| 13:06.15 | tarzeau | wols: i don't know? does it exist in debian? |
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| 13:06.41 | quitte_ | hi. I'm looking for a sane way to check if a directory is empty from a shell script. |
| 13:07.35 | cydork | tarzeau: missing /usr/lib/libitclstub3.2.a ? |
| 13:07.48 | cast | so if in the d-i what does selecting encrypted lvm for the automatic partitioning get me? |
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| 13:08.20 | cydork | quitte_: help test |
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| 13:08.49 | lbt | quitte_: if [ `ls $dir | wc -l` \> 0 ] |
| 13:09.12 | lbt | that's "not empty" |
| 13:09.35 | wols | tarzeau: it's a tcl thing. grep all your tcl related libs for the string |
| 13:09.54 | quitte_ | thanks |
| 13:10.02 | cydork | quitte_: or if [ "$(ls -A somedir)" ] |
| 13:10.40 | quitte_ | hmm if busybox ls supports -A i'd prefer that. i dont have wc in it,yet |
| 13:10.59 | tarzeau | cydork: yes, in what file is it? |
| 13:11.02 | cast | alright, other question. can i put the root partition on a lvm2 lv? |
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| 13:11.32 | cydork | tarzeau: you have itcl3-dev ? |
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| 13:11.56 | tarzeau | cydork: now i do, thanks for the hint |
| 13:12.14 | cydork | tarzeau: no probs. |
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| 13:12.30 | mandingo | n |
| 13:12.53 | mandingo | bah |
| 13:13.35 | x_link | How can I check which xorg.conf version I have? |
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| 13:13.52 | test | winecfg and every wine app crashes when i have GLX and DRI on |
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| 13:14.44 | ShredZ | Is it possible some program is blocking higher port access on etch ? |
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| 13:15.26 | abrotman | did you setup a firewall ? |
| 13:15.26 | petemc | ShredZ: very unlikely |
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| 13:15.48 | x_link | abrotman: Hi, where can I see which xorg.conf version I'm using? |
| 13:15.55 | ShredZ | abrotman, didn't setup any firewall |
| 13:15.58 | abrotman | x_link: huh ? |
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| 13:16.06 | ShredZ | abrotman, it's just a standard etch install |
| 13:16.12 | abrotman | x_link: the log in /var/log/ will tell you which xorg.conf and which vereison of X |
| 13:16.20 | x_link | abrotman: Okej |
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| 13:16.23 | ShredZ | abrotman, everything seems to work and I can play online in armagetron, but quake3 and warsow refuse to conenct |
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| 13:19.01 | fanti | hey! on a server with 4gb of ram, only 3,2gb are available. dmsg says: "Memory: 3238896k/4194304k available (1574k kernel code, 36816k reserved, 622k data, 400k init, 2359092k highmem)" where heave the rest of 800mb of ram gone ? |
| 13:19.13 | fanti | btw. it's a self-compiled kernel... |
| 13:20.08 | abrotman | PAE |
| 13:20.14 | x_link | Hrmm.. there is something in Debian Lenny that makes it impossible to use Beryl. |
| 13:20.30 | x_link | After my update/upgrade yesterday Beryl isn't working anymore. |
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| 13:20.58 | wols | 3d is still working? |
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| 13:21.49 | wols | fanti: on a server with that much ram, I'd use amd64 |
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| 13:22.29 | fanti | wols: it's 32bit.... 4x model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz |
| 13:22.50 | cast | alright, now why would the installer create a single primary partition for /boot, but for the LVM2 PV it creates a logical partition |
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| 13:23.48 | x_link | wols: Yeah I think so. Don't know how I can try 3D without Beryl. |
| 13:24.03 | x_link | wols: But it's not a Beryl problem, I'm sure of that. |
| 13:25.03 | tarzeau | cydork: still the same problem |
| 13:25.16 | x_link | wols: It's really strange. Are you using Beryl? |
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| 13:25.59 | cydork | tarzeau: same error? or error changed? |
| 13:26.08 | tarzeau | cydork: same |
| 13:26.31 | x_link | wols: Maybe I must change to Debian Etch ;/ |
| 13:26.34 | tarzeau | damog: are you bored? |
| 13:27.43 | abrotman | x_link: beryl isn't in debian .. ask #beryl |
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| 13:29.15 | cydork | tarzeau: can you check with nm if that lib has tclStubsPtr? |
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| 13:31.31 | tarzeau | cydork: nm /usr/lib/libitcl3.2.a |grep tclStubs |
| 13:31.32 | tarzeau | cydork: says yes, many U lines |
| 13:31.32 | tarzeau | cydork: maybe i need to configure brlcad.org differently |
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| 13:34.14 | cydork | tarzeau: hmm does it have some options for USE_TCL_STUBS ?? |
| 13:34.38 | tarzeau | cydork: good question, can you check it ? i don't know how |
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| 13:37.01 | paras | channel, how do i enable serial devices in etch? i don;t see /dev/ttyS0 , ttyS1 etc |
| 13:37.39 | tarzeau | !seen channel |
| 13:37.39 | dpkg | tarzeau: i haven't seen 'channel' |
| 13:37.40 | xand | paras: are those ports on your motherboard? |
| 13:38.39 | paras | xand, yes |
| 13:38.59 | cydork | tarzeau: let me check.. give me a minute |
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| 13:39.05 | paras | xand, i want to use a serial mouse and ISA modem |
| 13:39.06 | tarzeau | cydork: thanks |
| 13:39.13 | wols | paras: does the kernel recognize them? dmesg |
| 13:40.11 | paras | wols, yes i guess.. i dont have that machine with me rt now |
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| 13:40.48 | xand | paras: we can't really help much if you're not at the machine... |
| 13:40.51 | xand | they should Just Work |
| 13:41.03 | ganes | plz help me 2 clear this doubt |
| 13:41.09 | xand | !plz |
| 13:41.10 | dpkg | plz is probably german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 13:41.14 | paras | xand, ok.. :( |
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| 13:41.33 | dwu | Hey, tarzeau, long time :) |
| 13:41.56 | tarzeau | dwu: i don't know you? |
| 13:42.04 | dwu | tarzeau: You know Phated :) |
| 13:42.12 | liable | ganes: you havent asked a question |
| 13:42.14 | ganes | BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3) Built-in shell (ash) |
| 13:42.18 | dwu | (Well, peripherally, anyway) |
| 13:42.20 | tarzeau | dwu: yes, changed nick? |
| 13:42.30 | ganes | liable, solve the dobut |
| 13:42.36 | dwu | tarzeau: /whois to verify 's me! ;) |
| 13:42.45 | ganes | liable, BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3) Built-in shell (ash) |
| 13:42.49 | dwu | tarzeau: But the short answer is yes, yes I did. |
| 13:42.56 | ganes | this is my doubt err |
| 13:42.58 | dwu | ganes: That isn't a question. |
| 13:43.09 | Ronin | ganes: ask a question |
| 13:43.21 | tarzeau | dwu: nice, where have you been? |
| 13:43.28 | tarzeau | !seen Phated |
| 13:43.28 | dpkg | phated <n=phated@unaffiliated/phated> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 152d 14h 4m 27s ago, saying: 'So... yeah, I'm self-kicking now because I'm offtopic.'. |
| 13:43.34 | ganes | dwu, when i booted 20th kernel it showing the err like this |
| 13:43.41 | ganes | BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-3) Built-in shell (ash) |
| 13:43.47 | dwu | ganes: That's not an error. |
| 13:44.07 | ganes | dwu, then wat it is |
| 13:44.19 | Arafangion | ganes: That's an advertisement. |
| 13:44.27 | ganes | dwu, y it is not able to go inside |
| 13:44.31 | liable | thats usually a broken fs or something similarly horrible |
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| 13:44.39 | dwu | tarzeau: Well, I'm going to present my life as more exciting than it's been: Amsterdam, England (Lancaster), New Zealand. Each of those for about a week at a time. |
| 13:44.41 | popey_ | hi everyone |
| 13:44.45 | dwu | popey_: :O |
| 13:45.00 | popey_ | can someone help me with xen ? |
| 13:45.02 | dwu | ganes: You have something broken, and that isn't the error you're looking for. |
| 13:45.04 | tarzeau | dwu: wow, won the lottery? |
| 13:45.12 | tarzeau | popey_: nobody can read your mind |
| 13:45.21 | popey_ | I completly lost with the disk setup |
| 13:45.23 | tarzeau | popey_: eat spinach! |
| 13:45.40 | popey_ | I tries tarzeau...but nothing :-( |
| 13:45.44 | popey_ | tried |
| 13:45.49 | ganes | Arafangion, the below line is "/bin/sh: can"t access tty; job control turned off |
| 13:45.50 | dwu | tarzeau: Nah. Got lucky. NZ was a school thing, 'dam and England were partner-related. |
| 13:46.03 | tarzeau | dwu: cool! |
| 13:46.11 | ganes | dwu, the below line is "/bin/sh: can"t access tty; job control turned off" |
| 13:46.14 | dwu | tarzeau: Yeah :) |
| 13:46.18 | Arafangion | ganes: /dev's probably stuffed up. |
| 13:46.23 | dwu | ganes: Have you considered googling the error? |
| 13:46.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: was that your guitar? |
| 13:46.30 | liable | ganes: you compiled this kernel? |
| 13:46.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: still is mine, yes |
| 13:46.41 | abrotman | argh .. he's in #-ot .. i could have asked him there! |
| 13:46.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: the recordings not |
| 13:47.09 | nathanj | whats a good proxy ? are there alts to squid? |
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| 13:47.13 | sw2090 | moin |
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| 13:47.17 | tarzeau | nathanj: for what? |
| 13:47.26 | abrotman | liable: nah .. sometimes he's there ... sometimes he isn't |
| 13:47.28 | sw2090 | habe hier gerade ein seltsames problem |
| 13:47.28 | tarzeau | nathanj: no proxy is one hop less |
| 13:47.31 | tarzeau | !de |
| 13:47.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 13:47.41 | sw2090 | sry |
| 13:47.47 | sw2090 | I could ask in english aswell |
| 13:47.50 | ganes | liable, yeah |
| 13:47.56 | nathanj | web caching for a local network mainly want for stuff like windows updates and small files? |
| 13:48.01 | liable | ganes: i suggest you try again |
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| 13:48.10 | sw2090 | I have a weird problem here currently |
| 13:48.16 | ganes | liable, i compiled for twentyhth kernel |
| 13:48.29 | sw2090 | I have a debian etch box which I did set up newly |
| 13:48.31 | liable | ganes: use a debian kernel |
| 13:48.33 | tarzeau | nathanj: is the internet slow? or too expensive? |
| 13:48.35 | sw2090 | the box has tow nic in it |
| 13:48.38 | ganes | liable, this my third time compilation |
| 13:48.45 | sw2090 | now if i fire it up |
| 13:48.57 | nathanj | tarzeau internet slow at times |
| 13:49.00 | sw2090 | accoarding to dmesg both nics are detected and the drivers are loaded |
| 13:49.00 | ganes | liable, im getting the same err so plz suggest something |
| 13:49.08 | sw2090 | (lsmod tells me that they are) |
| 13:49.20 | sw2090 | but the system only sets up eth0 |
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| 13:49.26 | liable | ganes: you get the same error with a debian kernel? |
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| 13:49.43 | sw2090 | eth1 gets ignored if it is set on allow-hotplug in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:49.52 | ganes | liable, no, im taking the source from kernel.org |
| 13:49.57 | sw2090 | if i set it to auto eth1 there |
| 13:50.08 | sw2090 | I only get an error msg that there is no such device |
| 13:50.23 | sw2090 | but accoarding to dmesg there is eth1 |
| 13:50.44 | ganes | liable, first im trying this for to create a live cd for twentyth kernel |
| 13:50.45 | liable | ganes: use a debian kernel-image |
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| 13:51.21 | ganes | liable, i tried debian 20th kernel-img its able 2 boot |
| 13:51.25 | wols | sw2090: ifconfig -a |
| 13:51.42 | wols | sw2090: and what kind of nics? |
| 13:51.47 | ganes | liable, but the problem is not able to create live cd |
| 13:51.48 | liable | ganes: great! so use that |
| 13:52.07 | sw2090 | #1 is intel e100 onboard nic |
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| 13:52.13 | ganes | liable, so i switched 2 kernel.org |
| 13:52.18 | sw2090 | #2 is a Realtek rtl8139 pci card |
| 13:53.03 | ganes | liable, since upto 19th kernel i created the live cd by taking the source from kernel.org |
| 13:53.39 | liable | ganes: i have no idea what you are talking about |
| 13:53.40 | ganes | liable, im using the debian image only for to boot it from hard disk |
| 13:53.49 | wols | so what does ifconfig -a say? |
| 13:54.45 | ganes | liable, the actual prob is debain-image is not supporting to create a live cd |
| 13:54.56 | ganes | liable, y |
| 13:56.33 | ganes | liable, r u getting me |
| 13:56.34 | liable | ganes: i am going to bed, you need to fix your kernel conf. good luck |
| 13:57.00 | ganes | liable, k good knight |
| 13:58.48 | wols | ganes: how far into the boot process do you get until the error shows? |
| 13:58.52 | tarzeau | dwu: and you got a fast 3d graphics card? |
| 13:58.58 | ganes | how 2 solve this err "/bin/sh: can"t access tty; job control turned off" |
| 13:59.01 | dwu | tarzeau: Eh? |
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| 13:59.17 | tarzeau | dwu: i mean do you play games? |
| 13:59.34 | dwu | tarzeau: We-ll... not as such, not really. I -can- run games, but I'm not a gamer. |
| 13:59.42 | abrotman | <sing>HEAD GAMES</sing> |
| 13:59.57 | abrotman | where's asg when i want to know which horrible band sang that |
| 14:00.12 | ganes | wols, at the starting itself "it saying that it is loading plz wait " after this im getting line "/bin/sh: can"t access tty; job control turned off" |
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| 14:00.30 | wols | ganes: fucked uo initrd? |
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| 14:00.59 | ganes | wols, wat |
| 14:00.59 | wols | abrotman: why do you need asg for that? |
| 14:01.04 | wols | it was foreigner btw |
| 14:01.10 | abrotman | i thought so :) |
| 14:01.16 | wols | fucked up initrd |
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| 14:01.24 | abrotman | wols: you're german .. you only like hasselhoff! |
| 14:01.24 | ganes | wols, wat u want 2 say |
| 14:01.44 | wols | I already said what I wanted to say |
| 14:01.45 | wols | !2 |
| 14:01.45 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
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| 14:02.03 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 14:02.08 | ganes | wols, say me how 2 solve this err "/bin/sh: can"t access tty; job control turned off" |
| 14:02.12 | wols | abrotman: go back to your Boss |
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| 14:02.24 | dwu | wols: Look, he wants to be handheld, two people have given up already :) |
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| 14:02.39 | ganes | wols, how 2 solve this err "/bin/sh: can"t access tty; job control turned off" |
| 14:02.44 | ganes | wols, plz |
| 14:02.46 | abrotman | wols: no! |
| 14:02.49 | wols | ganes: how dou you compile your kernel? |
| 14:02.50 | abrotman | !tell ganes about 2 |
| 14:03.02 | abrotman | wols: more importantly .. why .. |
| 14:03.05 | wols | abrotman: then don't tell me to listen to haselhoff |
| 14:03.11 | Haris | I have inetd on debian 3.1 server of a customer. Is it safe to install tcp-server from qmail's distro to replace inetd? |
| 14:03.15 | abrotman | wols: you love it! |
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| 14:03.21 | wols | abrotman: the why is clear and it doesn't help to ask him... |
| 14:03.31 | abrotman | Haris: according to DJB it is :) |
| 14:03.50 | esters | Running Debian unstable, installed newest nvidia drivers 9755, but i can't get it to work http://omploader.org/file/DSC01117.JPG |
| 14:03.52 | ganes | abrotman, i compiled the source by getting the info from google |
| 14:03.55 | wols | Haris: safe in what way? and it depends if you start anything via inetd |
| 14:03.57 | abrotman | wols: u prly g3t a bad answer .. i couldn't finish it that way! |
| 14:04.02 | abrotman | makes me feel .. bad! |
| 14:04.10 | abrotman | ganes: WHY |
| 14:04.17 | wols | ganes: how? |
| 14:04.28 | abrotman | what 'rational' thought process led you to believe that compiling a kernel was needed |
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| 14:04.37 | wols | ganes: google has many guides. and many of them aren't worth spit |
| 14:04.38 | ganes | abrotman, to create live cd after booting that particular kernel |
| 14:04.50 | abrotman | okay .. you have fun now |
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| 14:05.03 | ganes | abrotman, wat |
| 14:05.06 | Haris | abrotman: Well, I'm asking the debian community for assurance :p |
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| 14:05.18 | abrotman | Haris: TBH .. i'd tell you to not use qmail |
| 14:05.20 | wols | ganes: there were a few commands you used. what was the first one after you unpacked the tarball? |
| 14:05.20 | Haris | There are only 3 services on it. smtp, smtps, poppasswd |
| 14:05.38 | wols | Haris: I asked about inetd services. not other stuff |
| 14:05.45 | ganes | abrotman, make menuconfig |
| 14:05.51 | wols | Haris: and I agree with abrotman. use postfix or exim |
| 14:05.53 | abrotman | ganes: tell wols .. not me .. |
| 14:05.53 | wols | !qmail |
| 14:05.53 | dpkg | methinks qmail is a Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) written by D.J. Bernstein. Because it is illegal to distribute binaries built from modified sources, Debian considers it non-free. For documentation about qmail, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. There were no qmail releases since 1998, and a truckload of features and security measures needed for a MTA in use on today's Internet must be patched in by external patches, invalida |
| 14:06.00 | Haris | abrotman: I'm stuck with it 1) its a csutomer's server 2) its controlled by plesk and plesk implments qmail |
| 14:06.01 | wols | ganes: that was your first mistake |
| 14:06.04 | ganes | abrotman, make make install moudule |
| 14:06.07 | Haris | wols: I'm sorry I missed your comment |
| 14:06.10 | wols | ganes: how did you call make to compile the kernel? |
| 14:06.13 | abrotman | plesk sucks and customer is stupid :) |
| 14:06.20 | abrotman | ganes: STOP TELLING ME |
| 14:06.22 | wols | abrotman: amen |
| 14:06.36 | abrotman | ganes: wols asked .. not me ... tell him |
| 14:06.37 | cydork | tarzeau: hey U means *undefined* |
| 14:06.41 | wols | ganes: that was your 2nd mistake. |
| 14:06.41 | ganes | wols, then how to compile tell me |
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| 14:06.55 | Haris | abrotman: That's the truth of life |
| 14:06.59 | dwu | Man, he isn't just asking for handholding, he wants you to carry him. |
| 14:07.08 | ganes | abrotman, tell me how to compile |
| 14:07.09 | wols | a) use make oldconfig before you use make menuconfig (with the old config file copied to .config of course) and b) user kernel-package |
| 14:07.25 | abrotman | i'd invoke !fish .. but i'm worried he'd take his eye out with the fishing hook |
| 14:07.25 | ganes | abrotman, wat i did is correct r not |
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| 14:07.36 | abrotman | ganes: ask wols .. not me |
| 14:07.58 | wols | ganes: it is very wrong. at least for a debian system |
| 14:07.59 | dwu | abrotman: heh. |
| 14:08.03 | abrotman | Haris: i'm sure there is documentation on it |
| 14:08.06 | ganes | wols, plz tell the correct answer |
| 14:08.08 | wols | you are using a debian live cd, right? |
| 14:08.13 | wols | ganes: I already did |
| 14:08.35 | Haris | I need to implement message sniffer for qmail |
| 14:08.36 | ganes | wols, is it for 20th kernel |
| 14:08.38 | Haris | it doesn't have much docs |
| 14:08.45 | Haris | I need to install qmail-scanner and qmail-queue for it |
| 14:08.48 | wols | ganes: it is for ANY kernel you compile |
| 14:09.00 | Haris | qmail-scanner requires tcp-server I guess |
| 14:09.01 | abrotman | Haris: qmail is modular .. you can just stick stuff in the middle of the mail process |
| 14:09.03 | tarzeau | cydork: aha :) |
| 14:09.03 | ganes | wols, i compiled for 20th kernel |
| 14:09.21 | tarzeau | cydork: is the debain pakag broke? |
| 14:09.23 | Haris | All the patches and stuff to just jump in at any time, eh |
| 14:09.24 | Haris | hehe |
| 14:09.48 | cydork | tarzeau: wont say that yet. |
| 14:10.03 | ganes | wols, im debian as a source but the kernel using for live cd im taking the source from kernel.org |
| 14:10.11 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=qmail+debian&btnG=Google+Search |
| 14:10.27 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/ucspi-tcp-src |
| 14:10.40 | abrotman | Haris: you might find the second URL interesting |
| 14:10.41 | wols | ganes: I already told you the debian way. we rarely support any other way |
| 14:10.51 | ganes | wols, i tried so many times to take the linux-image frim debian for to prepare the live cd |
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| 14:11.00 | Rienzilla | Hey all |
| 14:11.08 | wols | ganes: and now stop talking to me unless you read what I wrote and actually try to understand it |
| 14:11.09 | abrotman | wols: someone set you up a bomb .. i think |
| 14:11.17 | ganes | wols, but it is not working |
| 14:11.22 | wols | abrotman: I can talk denglish if you want |
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| 14:11.34 | abrotman | !singlishsmite wols |
| 14:11.34 | dpkg | wols: Why so gorblock, you? |
| 14:11.34 | wols | abrotman: then I set you up a bomb |
| 14:11.51 | wols | singli = .sg? |
| 14:11.55 | abrotman | yep |
| 14:12.19 | wols | too bad it's not sunday anymore. a nice .sg would be groovy right now |
| 14:12.31 | avtobiff | singli? |
| 14:12.32 | Rienzilla | If I install the vlan tools on debian, and name an interface 'eth0.<vlannumber>', it seems that debian automagically makes sure it picks up only that vlan on the interface.... However, I need the interface name to not contain a dot. Is it possible to give the interface a different name and still have ifup/ifdown do their job as they should? |
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| 14:12.42 | ganes | wols, you told that u did the live cd for debian plz give me link to prepare the live cd it will help me to prepare |
| 14:13.12 | wols | ganes: you really have problems understanding english, do you? |
| 14:13.18 | ganes | wols, plz im trying this 4 a month plz understand me |
| 14:13.29 | abrotman | !4 |
| 14:13.31 | dwu | wols: Excuse me, I'm .sg. |
| 14:13.33 | abrotman | damn it! |
| 14:13.35 | Arafangion | ganes: You've been trying for four months? Give up now! |
| 14:13.36 | wols | please don't talk to me anymore unless you try to follow what I already said. or I have to /ignore you |
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| 14:13.51 | wols | dwu: ok, you will do. as soon as you start :) |
| 14:14.05 | Rienzilla | anyone? |
| 14:14.05 | Nosferatu | bueller? |
| 14:14.14 | ganes | wols, wat understanding prob |
| 14:14.28 | wols | ganes: ok, ignoring you now |
| 14:14.39 | coldsteal | hello |
| 14:14.45 | ganes | wols, k |
| 14:15.17 | dfa001 | !dpkg join wols |
| 14:15.19 | dfa001 | awww |
| 14:15.19 | abrotman | so happy together! |
| 14:15.22 | abrotman | !marry wols |
| 14:15.28 | abrotman | removed :( |
| 14:15.31 | ganes | wols, it means u dont like 2 share ur knowledge of creating liv cd |
| 14:15.44 | ganes | for debian |
| 14:15.46 | wols | i only marry you if you give me a pony as a wedding present |
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| 14:15.54 | dfa001 | !google |
| 14:15.54 | dpkg | hmm... google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 14:15.57 | coldsteal | okay so im playing with my shell settings PS1=... is there a way to set the color when its highlighted |
| 14:16.06 | abrotman | wols: you'd need someone to keep you warm at night :) |
| 14:16.10 | ganes | wols, wat |
| 14:16.13 | wols | yes. a pony |
| 14:16.14 | Arafangion | abrotman: He'd have the pony :) |
| 14:16.19 | abrotman | exactly! |
| 14:16.36 | ganes | wols, r u saying 2 me |
| 14:17.01 | tarzeau | wols: dead pony works too? pony on a grill? |
| 14:17.28 | dwu | ganes: wols isn't talking to you any more. And after this line, neither am I. |
| 14:17.30 | dfa001 | ganes: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Live_CD_distributions |
| 14:17.30 | ganes | wols, do u really know to create live cd r not |
| 14:17.39 | wols | abrotman keeps one warm only while the wild sex lasts. a pony is for life |
| 14:17.44 | dfa001 | ganes: that page explains how to create a Debian live CD |
| 14:18.00 | dwu | dfa001: It really isn't worth your effort trying to make him do any work on his own. |
| 14:18.08 | dfa001 | dwu: oh ok |
| 14:18.11 | wols | I prefer a live one. dead ones cool off too fast |
| 14:18.20 | dfa001 | wols: giant microwave |
| 14:18.20 | dwu | dfa001: Lastlog him, if you -have- to ;) |
| 14:18.34 | ganes | dwu, y peoples saying like this |
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| 14:19.33 | wols | cydork: quiet! I get mine first! |
| 14:19.39 | ganes | dfa001, thankyou very much |
| 14:19.48 | Arafangion | *thinly |
| 14:19.56 | dfa001 | ganes: np |
| 14:19.56 | cydork | Arafangion: that will do for the time being :P |
| 14:20.09 | Arafangion | cydork: I didn't say it was edible. |
| 14:20.13 | ViperXL75 | so... All i can say is.. I've been running debian for 3 weeks now |
| 14:20.21 | ganes | dfa001, i think it may really help me |
| 14:20.38 | ViperXL75 | On an old P-1 166Mhz with 49MBram. |
| 14:20.45 | ViperXL75 | The damn thing just wont crash!!! |
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| 14:21.08 | ViperXL75 | No reboot needed... It just RUNS! |
| 14:21.19 | abrotman | ViperXL75: we've got some folks that are pretty good at making it crash if you need help |
| 14:21.19 | Arafangion | ViperXL75: I had a 486 DX4 once. Damn thing never crashed - except once. |
| 14:21.37 | dfa001 | ViperXL75 if you need help making it crash just ask =P |
| 14:21.44 | Arafangion | ViperXL75: Half-inserting a stick of RAM helped it crash - unfortunately the stability got right back up once that stick was removed :( |
| 14:21.46 | ViperXL75 | lol..... ok... nevermind |
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| 14:22.01 | Arafangion | ViperXL75: You get blue flashing lights when you do that ;) |
| 14:22.08 | dfa001 | hmmm, steel wool on the RAM works well |
| 14:22.29 | Arafangion | dfa001: Have you actually tried that on a production box? |
| 14:22.30 | wols | dfa001: the classic one is inserting RAM the wrong what and MAKE if fit |
| 14:23.06 | dfa001 | Arafangion, yes |
| 14:23.06 | wols | with luck it fries your mobo |
| 14:23.06 | dfa001 | wols, had a costumer do that one once |
| 14:23.09 | dfa001 | called asking why the PC wasnt working |
| 14:23.12 | Arafangion | dfa001: Why the hell did you do that? |
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| 14:23.15 | test | does raid1 created by mdadm by default pick up a file from chunks of data from both drives simultaneously? |
| 14:23.19 | dfa001 | Arafangion, boredom |
| 14:23.26 | Arafangion | dfa001: That doesn't count. |
| 14:23.29 | cydork | tarzeau: http://www.tcl.tk/doc/howto/stubs.html |
| 14:23.37 | dfa001 | Arafangion, =) |
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| 14:24.30 | tarzeau | cydork: wow thank you! |
| 14:24.51 | sn0 | !redhat |
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| 14:24.55 | Arafangion | cydork: Now, I'm going to bed. Please pass that steak to wols for safe keeping. |
| 14:25.00 | sn0 | !tell sn0 red hat |
| 14:25.06 | sn0 | !tell sn0 redhat |
| 14:25.15 | sn0 | anyone know the tag? |
| 14:25.29 | cydork | Arafangion: it's mine.. it's mine!! |
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| 14:26.38 | abrotman | sn0: ask #redhat ? |
| 14:26.53 | sn0 | abrotman i found it, it was the answer for chkconfig :) |
| 14:27.03 | sn0 | someone asked in another chan |
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| 14:27.22 | abrotman | so tell that channel's bot .. or next time try #debian-bots |
| 14:27.39 | sn0 | yes i pm'd dpkg |
| 14:27.45 | sn0 | to save spamming the wrong tag in here :-) |
| 14:27.58 | Arafangion | sn0: How Ironic. |
| 14:28.01 | Ronin | well if they cant tell debian from redhat they have much bigger issues |
| 14:28.02 | dwu | heh. |
| 14:28.08 | sn0 | indeed |
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| 14:28.53 | wols | Ronin: dpkg is all knowing, so of course it knows everything there is to know about #rh |
| 14:29.32 | abrotman | more like ubuntu devs can't make a bot work :) |
| 14:29.39 | dwu | heh. |
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| 14:29.58 | sn0 | its a different server :p |
| 14:30.11 | sn0 | we don't have a bot like dpkg on quakenet |
| 14:30.18 | abrotman | so get one .. lazy bums |
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| 14:31.01 | sn0 | there really isn't a large amont of users to benefit , plus its not my channel |
| 14:31.23 | abrotman | anyway s.. you can use #debian-bots if you don't want to join here |
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| 14:31.40 | sn0 | i wasn't aware of that channel, thanks |
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| 14:32.18 | solemnwarning | To build Debian from source should I follow an LFS-like approach with debian source packages or is there a "Debian way" of building the system? |
| 14:32.24 | idiot | anyone knows how use vga fonts in gnome-terminal? such as lime, edges.. artwiz fonts |
| 14:32.27 | cydork | !dfs |
| 14:32.27 | dpkg | i guess dfs is Debian From Scratch, is a new unofficial installer for Debian with software raid support and other goodies. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/05/msg01431.html for details. http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ and Documentation: http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/html/ |
| 14:32.41 | cydork | solemnwarning: it's mostly waste of time :P |
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| 14:32.51 | abrotman | !source |
| 14:32.51 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
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| 14:33.14 | lkthomas-home | hey guys |
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| 14:33.29 | lkthomas-home | what if kill and killall -9 still can't kill a process, what should I do |
| 14:33.47 | pablo_ | hi, doesn someone knows how can i make file-roller work with unrar-free? |
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| 14:34.13 | petemc | lkthomas-home: in the output of ps or top, is the process in D or Z or.. ? |
| 14:34.25 | irule | how can I add java to my execution path? |
| 14:34.26 | x_link | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24071 |
| 14:34.31 | x_link | Could somebody please help me with that? |
| 14:34.37 | lkthomas-home | D |
| 14:34.45 | x_link | I don't understand why I get that message, sudo doesn't work for me either. |
| 14:34.49 | abrotman | Defunct |
| 14:34.54 | pablo_ | irule: update-alternativs |
| 14:34.56 | lkthomas-home | what should I do then ? |
| 14:34.57 | petemc | disk wait |
| 14:35.05 | wols | !zombie |
| 14:35.05 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 14:35.10 | petemc | its not a zombie |
| 14:35.19 | lkthomas-home | I forget that as well |
| 14:35.22 | abrotman | i thought it was defunct |
| 14:35.26 | petemc | lkthomas-home: its waiting for something, often times it should sort itself out |
| 14:35.26 | idiot | guys, please |
| 14:35.28 | idiot | anyone knows how use vga fonts in gnome-terminal? such as lime, edges.. artwiz fonts |
| 14:35.38 | petemc | !D |
| 14:35.38 | dpkg | from memory, d is uninterruptible sleep (usually IO), or a letter of the alphabet, or not a substitute for "the". |
| 14:35.39 | abrotman | uhm .. use the font dialog box ? |
| 14:35.50 | x_link | It doesn't allow me to be root. |
| 14:35.51 | idiot | abrotman: only show TTF fonts.. |
| 14:35.52 | lkthomas-home | petemc: can I force to kill it ? |
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| 14:36.02 | petemc | lkthomas-home: as you've seen, no |
| 14:36.06 | idiot | abrotman: Arial, Monospace, etc |
| 14:36.12 | lkthomas-home | petemc: actually, how could I show the partent program ? |
| 14:36.16 | wols | x_link: some apt program is already running |
| 14:36.19 | petemc | man ps |
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| 14:36.56 | x_link | wols: Nothing else is running |
| 14:37.01 | petemc | abrotman: defunct may be another term for it.. |
| 14:37.03 | x_link | I only have that konsole open. |
| 14:37.09 | pablo_ | hi, how can i do to include unrar-free to fileroller backend? |
| 14:37.51 | stickybit` | can one use ubuntu repositories on debian? |
| 14:37.58 | tarzeau | stickybit`: NO |
| 14:38.01 | tarzeau | stickybit`: DO NOT! |
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| 14:38.17 | stickybit` | tarzeau: can you tell me the reason? |
| 14:38.19 | tarzeau | stickybit`: you can even do rm /bin/rm |
| 14:38.26 | tarzeau | stickybit`: it'll break your system badly |
| 14:38.45 | tarzeau | stickybit`: packages have information about other packages (like conflict, depend etc) |
| 14:39.06 | stickybit` | tarzeau: ok... |
| 14:39.07 | tarzeau | stickybit`: and those are only tested to work with a set of packages (not with whoever makes packages, on whatever webserver) |
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| 14:39.29 | tarzeau | stickybit`: which package do you think has ubuntu that debian don't have? |
| 14:39.44 | tarzeau | stickybit`: you can rebuild a source package and then install that... |
| 14:39.54 | lkthomas-home | petemc: sorry, after read man, I still can't find any information that I need |
| 14:39.59 | x_link | wols: Nothing else is running apt-get or aptitude. |
| 14:40.02 | pcgigabyte | Request help. X server file is fine. recently I am unable to startx, keep getting message for /dev/input/mice not found. I have a usb mouse and the xserver isn't wanting to detect it or something. ANy suggestions? |
| 14:40.05 | stickybit` | tarzeau: actullly one of my friend wanted to install Beryl |
| 14:40.18 | stickybit` | tarzeau: since we both are n00b |
| 14:40.27 | petemc | lkthomas-home: why do you want to know the parent? |
| 14:40.30 | stickybit` | tarzeau: we dont go for ./configure |
| 14:40.41 | tarzeau | man those BERYL people are more annoying than GNAA.US |
| 14:40.45 | tarzeau | stickybit`: go away |
| 14:41.14 | stickybit` | to install in debian beryl has given one repository |
| 14:41.14 | pcgigabyte | Request help. X server file is fine. recently I am unable to startx, keep getting message for /dev/input/mice not found. I have a usb mouse and the xserver isn't wanting to detect it or something. ANy suggestions? |
| 14:41.24 | tarzeau | stickybit`: go use #ubuntu |
| 14:41.34 | ewanm89 | stickybit`: use #beryl for beryl |
| 14:41.57 | lkthomas-home | petemc: I want to kill child process by killing parent |
| 14:42.03 | pcgigabyte | Request help. X server file is fine. recently I am unable to startx, keep getting message for /dev/input/mice not found. I have a usb mouse and the xserver isn't wanting to detect it or something. ANy suggestions? |
| 14:42.05 | stickybit` | tarzeau: but for ubuntu the procedure is different and littlebit complex... so i am asking |
| 14:42.09 | stickybit` | tarzeau: sure |
| 14:42.12 | tarzeau | !ops pcgigabyte flood |
| 14:42.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tarzeau complains about: pcgigabyte flood |
| 14:42.13 | stickybit` | ewanm89: sure |
| 14:42.22 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 14:42.28 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@74.128.160.154] by mentor |
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| 14:42.36 | tarzeau | stickybit`: and in debian it doesn't exist. wait, package it yourself, don't ask here |
| 14:42.38 | mentor | odd. |
| 14:42.53 | fantomas | Hi. Debmirror question. I had mirrored etch distro recently and want to extend it with current updates to etch. What is prefered practice: create a separate directory for updates or integrate updates into main etch tree? I use this "script" for mirroring: http://pastebin.ca/536757 |
| 14:42.55 | stickybit` | tarzeau: ok |
| 14:43.00 | mentor | modprobe mousedev one would assume |
| 14:43.00 | petemc | lkthomas-home: thats perhaps not a great idea - whats the process anyway? |
| 14:43.17 | lkthomas-home | petemc: just tell me how please |
| 14:43.22 | petemc | ... |
| 14:43.38 | mentor | lkthomas-home: man kill |
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| 14:44.47 | pablo_ | hi, doesn someone knows how can i make file-roller work with unrar-free? |
| 14:45.08 | tarzeau | anyone use mini-dinstall or debpool, can i has your config file? |
| 14:45.25 | tarzeau | pablo_: it no works? error msg? |
| 14:45.38 | x_link | I can't use su or sudo. |
| 14:45.42 | x_link | I will show you the message |
| 14:45.55 | Rienzilla | !praise google |
| 14:46.01 | Rienzilla | rofl |
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| 14:46.11 | Rienzilla | ok that was unexpected :) |
| 14:46.16 | x_link | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24078/ |
| 14:46.21 | x_link | Can somebody please help me with this? |
| 14:46.56 | tarzeau | x_link: you already have some apt running |
| 14:47.03 | pablo_ | tarzeau: it just dont looks for it |
| 14:47.11 | x_link | tarzeau: I don't have anything else running |
| 14:47.22 | tarzeau | pablo_: dunno, i don't use file-roller |
| 14:47.27 | tarzeau | x_link: pkill -9 apt |
| 14:47.31 | x_link | ok |
| 14:47.33 | tarzeau | x_link: and dpkg, then retry |
| 14:47.43 | Rienzilla | x_link: or try lsof | grep apt |
| 14:47.49 | x_link | Rienzilla: Just did that |
| 14:47.50 | Rienzilla | to see what process is holding the lockfile |
| 14:47.57 | Rienzilla | and? |
| 14:48.10 | x_link | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24077/ |
| 14:48.11 | x_link | That |
| 14:48.20 | x_link | tarzeau: What dpkg? |
| 14:48.26 | pablo_ | tarzeau: do you use ark? |
| 14:48.33 | Rienzilla | you didnt do that as root |
| 14:48.50 | Rienzilla | apt 3895 root NOFD /proc/3895/fd (opendir: Permission denied) |
| 14:48.54 | Rienzilla | there it is probably |
| 14:49.40 | ewanm89 | x_link: dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 14:49.41 | x_link | hmm |
| 14:50.44 | x_link | ewanm89: What should I answear on that question? |
| 14:51.06 | x_link | Do you want your homedirs. to be readable for the whole system? |
| 14:51.12 | x_link | Should I say yes or no? |
| 14:51.25 | ewanm89 | usually no |
| 14:51.28 | x_link | ok |
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| 14:52.08 | hark | dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 14:52.40 | x_link | ewanm89: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24082/ |
| 14:52.46 | x_link | What about that question then? |
| 14:52.46 | Eulex | x_link, your choice |
| 14:53.03 | x_link | Eulex: Okej. |
| 14:53.07 | x_link | Don't know actually. |
| 14:53.14 | x_link | I want it to be as it was before ;D |
| 14:53.55 | x_link | Eulex: Can you take a look at the last link I posted, it's very short. To tell me what I should answear. |
| 14:54.08 | hark | why reconfigure all those packages? |
| 14:54.13 | ewanm89 | x_link: yes |
| 14:54.28 | x_link | Okej |
| 14:54.38 | ewanm89 | hark: Only if you kill apt halfway through |
| 14:54.49 | x_link | baaah |
| 14:54.52 | x_link | Alot of questions |
| 14:55.14 | ewanm89 | x_link: What is it now? |
| 14:55.41 | hark | ewanm89: probably you mean dpkg --configure -a/pending instead? |
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| 14:56.00 | x_link | Do you want CUPS to write out the unkowm work as "raw"-work? |
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| 14:56.04 | x_link | Yes/no |
| 14:56.39 | tarzeau | x_link: pkill -9 dpkg |
| 14:56.51 | Ronin | x_link: you going to ask us evertime it asks you somethign? :) |
| 14:57.17 | hark | it's sure to take a while :) |
| 14:57.20 | tarzeau | x_link: you can givs us your root password and we do it |
| 14:57.34 | x_link | tarzeau: hehe |
| 14:57.50 | tarzeau | x_link: you'd wonder how many people give an account for help... |
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| 14:58.11 | vin` | tarzeau: bubbles? |
| 14:58.26 | x_link | hmm |
| 14:58.27 | tarzeau | vin`: tonight? can you try www.sauerbraten.org deb pkg exist! |
| 14:58.29 | x_link | This doesn't work |
| 14:58.34 | x_link | Still can't use su or sudo |
| 14:58.39 | x_link | brb |
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| 15:00.55 | x_link | I choosed End Current Session, still doesn't work. |
| 15:02.07 | vin` | tarzeau: eeks 177MB? slune crawls here with a i945G, will this thing work? |
| 15:02.50 | tarzeau | vin`: oh intel graphics card sucks |
| 15:02.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: see they don't works |
| 15:03.15 | tarzeau | vin`: maybe works with 320x240 resolution :) |
| 15:03.15 | hark | hehe |
| 15:03.17 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:03.24 | abrotman | mine works fine! |
| 15:03.24 | tarzeau | intel video cards are crap |
| 15:03.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: for sauerbraten too? |
| 15:03.35 | vin` | abrotman: tried slune? does it work? |
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| 15:03.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: NFC .. your games suck |
| 15:03.59 | vin` | hehe |
| 15:04.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: not my games |
| 15:04.12 | tarzeau | o rly? you sucks! |
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| 15:05.11 | luca____ | hi all :D |
| 15:05.24 | Crypticfortune | is the libboost 1.34.0 stuff hideously broken? im getting wild errors that just shouldn't happen, like "undefined reference to `boost::filesystem::path::path(char const*)'" |
| 15:05.31 | coldsteal | debian doesnt have /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 15:05.46 | rahul | orally |
| 15:05.53 | tarzeau | coldsteal: it has /etc/modules |
| 15:06.51 | coldsteal | tarzeau: okay thanks |
| 15:07.26 | tarzeau | my fun |
| 15:08.28 | vin` | tarzeau: getting it either way, will try. |
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| 15:09.24 | coldsteal | tarzeau: i dont have that either |
| 15:09.40 | tarzeau | coldsteal: then you don't have debian? |
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| 15:10.43 | coldsteal | o wait okay found t |
| 15:11.13 | coldsteal | tarzeau: i can put options ibm_acpi experimental=1 in it right |
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| 15:11.44 | tarzeau | coldsteal: ye |
| 15:12.53 | junix-other | is there a reason Authen::SASL wont' compile in debian stable? |
| 15:13.16 | tarzeau | junix-other: it doesn't say why? |
| 15:13.25 | junix-other | i'll run it again |
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| 15:15.32 | Kyral_Laptop | Uhh stupid question...how do I fix a segfaulting Apt-Get? |
| 15:15.58 | cydork | junix-other: why do you want to compile it? |
| 15:16.27 | junix-other | the program i'm installing wants it |
| 15:16.33 | junix-other | www.troubleticketexpress.com |
| 15:16.55 | hark | Kyral_Laptop: it segfaults during an update as well? |
| 15:17.14 | Kyral_Laptop | hark: It can retrieve the package lists, but any other action == segfault |
| 15:17.21 | petemc | Kyral_Laptop: try deleting /var/cache/apt/*.bin |
| 15:17.47 | cydork | junix-other: and what's wrong with libauthen-sasl-perl ? |
| 15:17.55 | junix-other | i don't know |
| 15:17.57 | junix-other | i will try it |
| 15:18.18 | Kyral_Laptop | petemc: That seems to have fixed it. Thanks |
| 15:18.24 | petemc | np |
| 15:18.28 | Kyral_Laptop | petemc: Mind explaining what actually happened? |
| 15:18.31 | Kyral_Laptop | I'm curious :D |
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| 15:18.35 | petemc | those file got currupt |
| 15:18.38 | petemc | files |
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| 15:18.51 | petemc | corrupt, gah |
| 15:19.10 | Kyral_Laptop | ah |
| 15:19.13 | Kyral_Laptop | well, thanks again |
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| 15:21.34 | larva-9 | Hey all, is there any information that will lenny will be relased soon after kde 4.0 or in just some months after kde 4.0 release (say january~feb 2008 ) |
| 15:21.46 | larva-9 | and have kde4.0 |
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| 15:21.56 | solemnwarning | larva-9: It'll take longer then that |
| 15:22.52 | larva-9 | solemnwarning: ok,thanks |
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| 15:24.22 | madclicker | hi, is there a way for me to mount a iso file as a reg user? |
| 15:24.42 | gberardi | I recall that there was a script that you could run before your regular commands that would tell you how long those commands took. I also found that googling with search terms like "timer" isn't too helpful. Anyone know offhand of the name of the script I am referring to? |
| 15:24.49 | petemc | time |
| 15:26.10 | gberardi | petemc: Hah, thanks! |
| 15:26.15 | petemc | np |
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| 15:29.21 | wiedenmann | what is the name of the program that displays cockroaches under your windows? |
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| 15:29.36 | Ronin | wiedenmann: pardon? |
| 15:29.41 | SlayerCE | wiedenmann: xroach |
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| 15:34.03 | cydork | heh don't know why but it reminds me of hot-babe package :P |
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| 15:34.34 | freak_ | hi, i added non-free and constrib to my sources but when i run apt-get update i get an error how can i fix that? |
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| 15:35.06 | cydork | freak_: what is the error? pastebin it |
| 15:35.07 | Ronin | freak_: that depends, whats the error? |
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| 15:38.50 | wiedenmann | cydork: where/what is hot-babe? |
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| 15:39.16 | dwu | apt-cache show? |
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| 15:39.35 | wols | wiedenmann: it's cockroaches. lots of them |
| 15:39.40 | dwu | Is not existent! :P |
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| 15:40.05 | wiedenmann | wols: i cant find a debian package hot-babe |
| 15:40.18 | wols | dwu: become a pony, and me and cydork will notice you immediately |
| 15:40.33 | cydork | heh |
| 15:40.43 | wols | wiedenmann: why do you care? are you a cockroach fetishist? |
| 15:40.45 | dwu | wols: Bah, it just isn't enough to just be a reasonably attractive chick anymore :( |
| 15:41.15 | cydork | wiedenmann: http://dindinx.net/hotbabe/ ;) |
| 15:42.01 | freak_ | somehow the server (ftp.uni-kl.de) is down |
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| 15:43.07 | freak_ | is there any way to change the repository like during the installation? |
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| 15:43.40 | cydork | freak_: well there is.. what's your favorite editor? |
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| 15:44.08 | freak_ | nano. im stil not very good with vi |
| 15:44.20 | solemnwarning | nano ftw |
| 15:44.27 | cydork | freak_: edit /etc/apt/sources.list then :) |
| 15:44.34 | wiedenmann | cydork: thanks |
| 15:44.40 | wiedenmann | wols: I cant find a package cockroaches |
| 15:44.42 | cydork | freak_: also /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:44.47 | cydork | wiedenmann: groach |
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| 15:46.12 | leOn | guys .. i have a sarge samba install with multiple passwd backend and it works perfectly ... i tried replicating the setup onyo a new etch machine, but i'm not being able to specify multiple passdb backends ... any ideas? |
| 15:46.20 | wols | cydork: he IS a cockraoch fetishist. we two are not the only perverts here |
| 15:46.37 | cydork | wols: heh :) |
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| 15:47.11 | cydork | wols: we can make a fork of hotbabe show pink ponies :P |
| 15:47.25 | wiedenmann | cydork: i found groach, but the cockroach images suck |
| 15:47.33 | dwu | call it omg-ponies? :) |
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| 15:47.58 | cydork | dwu: i-has-ponies? |
| 15:48.19 | dwu | cydork: heh. |
| 15:53.42 | wols | unfortunately my graphics skills are not up to the task of defiling beautiful ponies |
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| 15:53.44 | cydork | wols: we will look around flickr or devianart :P |
| 15:53.45 | wols | let's hope we won't find it at rotten.com... |
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| 15:53.46 | cydork | heh |
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| 15:54.42 | wiedenmann | damn, xroach doesnt work with kde |
| 15:54.45 | ratschnowski | hi, i am running debian sarge and modified my hosts.deny, do i have to restart smth to make it work? |
| 15:55.09 | cahoot | possibly inetd |
| 15:55.30 | ratschnowski | i am a little newby in debian, just know that under suse it was smth like inetd restart, but this produces errors like: |
| 15:55.32 | ratschnowski | Jun 4 17:51:22 srv053 inetd[18483]: restart: No such file or directory |
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| 15:56.29 | cahoot | invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart maybe |
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| 15:58.34 | ratschnowski | ok had to do an ./inetd restart |
| 15:58.37 | ratschnowski | should work now |
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| 15:59.09 | freak_ | now i am using ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free but if i add constrib it creates error (sorry i cannot paste to firefox from xterm) |
| 15:59.17 | freak_ | Konnte http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release nicht holen Unable to find expected entry constrib/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 15:59.20 | freak_ | Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig |
| 15:59.23 | freak_ | W: Kann nicht auf die Liste http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/constrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_constrib_binary-i386_Packages) der Quellpakete zugreifen. - stat (2 Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden) |
| 15:59.27 | freak_ | W: Probieren Sie „apt-get update“, um diese Probleme zu korrigieren. |
| 15:59.29 | freak_ | E: Einige Indexdateien konnten nicht heruntergeladen werden, sie wurden ignoriert oder alte an ihrer Stelle benutzt. |
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| 16:00.33 | noorul | hello room |
| 16:00.42 | noorul | recently i installed etch |
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| 16:00.49 | noorul | now I ran into font problems |
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| 16:01.21 | noorul | fonts looked very good in sarge with XFree86. But somehow it seems everything screwed up with xorg |
| 16:01.27 | noorul | can anyone help me? |
| 16:02.05 | noorul | firefox is really a mess now |
| 16:02.10 | noorul | anyone here |
| 16:02.49 | cahoot | noorul: might try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
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| 16:07.45 | Bogus8 | what is the proper apt download for nvidia drivers? |
| 16:07.49 | Bogus8 | I'm using xorg |
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| 16:08.36 | Bogus8 | I tried d/l the config util with hopes that it would pull the driver down as a dependancy but it grabbed the xfree glx driver |
| 16:09.17 | wols | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:09.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 16:09.42 | Bogus8 | wols: thanks |
| 16:10.58 | noorul | !font |
| 16:10.58 | dpkg | 'fixed' is the one true font! |
| 16:10.58 | noorul | !etch font |
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| 16:11.43 | cahoot | noorul: fontconfig-config didn't help? |
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| 16:17.35 | Ropechoborra | Im trying to install debian from Diskette, i booted, inserted root diskete, and loaded net-drivers floppy, but when i try to choose a mirror it says that the specified mirror is not aviable or does not have valid release file and this with everyone =/ |
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| 16:19.35 | Fjordside | Ropechoborra, you are sure the network is correctly configured? |
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| 16:20.47 | Ropechoborra | I do think so |
| 16:20.59 | valdyn | Ropechoborra: try it, alt-f1 and ping google.de |
| 16:21.13 | Ropechoborra | ping not aviable |
| 16:21.25 | Ropechoborra | bin/sh ping not found |
| 16:21.26 | sorsis | when i run apt-get upgrade and i have application version 0.4 but repository offers 0.5 do i get the same package from repository which i would get with fresh installment? |
| 16:21.32 | sorsis | installation |
| 16:23.42 | wols | sorsis: yes |
| 16:23.43 | sorsis | how does update process differ from fresh installation? |
| 16:23.43 | wols | Ropechoborra: ifconfig |
| 16:23.43 | sorsis | configuration files are saved... how? |
| 16:23.43 | wols | route |
| 16:23.43 | Ropechoborra | ready |
| 16:23.44 | valdyn | sorsis: no |
| 16:23.45 | valdyn | sorsis: debian respects your configuration changes. its not as generic as 'configuration files are saved' |
| 16:23.45 | Seb | is fglrx still broken by the latest xorg in sid ? |
| 16:23.46 | wols | yes |
| 16:23.46 | wols | supposedly ati released new drivers that know about x 7.2 |
| 16:23.47 | Ropechoborra | the default gw is 192.168.1.1 (thats right) |
| 16:23.47 | Seb | wols: so I s'spose those will get into experimental some day soon ? |
| 16:23.48 | wols | "some day" |
| 16:23.55 | valdyn | Ropechoborra: and the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 16:24.36 | Ropechoborra | valdyn think thats the problem, it says search and ropechoborra.com.ar |
| 16:24.39 | valdyn | experimental doesnt get that much really, i guess it might go straight into sid |
| 16:24.51 | Ropechoborra | I guess i got to delete that and put the DNS adresses |
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| 16:24.56 | valdyn | Ropechoborra: you can enter a valid dns ip yourself |
| 16:25.01 | Ropechoborra | Ok |
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| 16:25.42 | Ropechoborra | Yes! =) |
| 16:25.45 | Ropechoborra | That was it ! |
| 16:25.49 | Ropechoborra | Thanks very much |
| 16:25.59 | Seb | wols: it looks packaged already |
| 16:26.04 | Bogus8 | during boot up I get some errors that cause the boot process to "retry" and hangs for a while... it's about ata2.01 failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4) |
| 16:26.10 | Seb | wols: Source: fglrx-driver |
| 16:26.11 | Seb | Version: 8.37.6-1 |
| 16:26.13 | Seb | oops |
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| 16:26.22 | Bogus8 | it's a qc timeout (cmd 0xa1) that shows up before that line |
| 16:26.51 | valdyn | Bogus8: that is a driver or hardware bug |
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| 16:27.14 | Bogus8 | valdyn: hmm, ata2 is my cdrom I think because ata1 shows up as my toshiba HD I'm pretty sure |
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| 16:27.18 | Bogus8 | (this is a laptop) |
| 16:28.56 | atealtha | I'm trying to use sshfs but mounting gives me the error: fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory. libfuse2 is installed and I am having problems figuring out where to go from here. |
| 16:28.59 | atealtha | anyone have ideas? |
| 16:29.04 | Ropechoborra | valdyn now it says that there are no kernel modules aviable due to a mismatch between the installer kernel version and the kernel version aviable in the architecure |
| 16:29.22 | valdyn | Ropechoborra: so? |
| 16:29.27 | Ropechoborra | in the archive* sorry |
| 16:29.34 | valdyn | Ropechoborra: are you trying to use testing or unstable installation floppies? |
| 16:29.52 | Ropechoborra | So it says that the install will probably fail if i continue without this modules |
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| 16:30.33 | sorsis | does 2.6.x kernel use packet filtering? |
| 16:30.34 | Ropechoborra | valdyn the ones from here http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
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| 16:30.58 | smallpot | Hello everyone. In what files does apt-get hold it's database information regarding installed packages, etc ? Thanks |
| 16:31.11 | valdyn | Ropechoborra: uh, sarge |
| 16:31.16 | sorsis | !clone |
| 16:31.16 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 16:31.22 | valdyn | Ropechoborra: check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:31.38 | valdyn | Ropechoborra: if that file exists, i dont really know a thing about the floppy installer |
| 16:31.48 | valdyn | Ropechoborra: if that file contains 'stable' its borked |
| 16:32.17 | Ropechoborra | There is no apt/ directory |
| 16:32.49 | sorsis | Apt clone |
| 16:33.12 | apt | clone is probably a clone card - i.e. a worthless, unreliable piece of junk. Is all that extra headache really worth the few dollars you're about to save? |
| 16:33.12 | valdyn | Ropechoborra: why dont you use etch floppies? |
| 16:33.12 | sorsis | apt !clone |
| 16:33.27 | Ropechoborra | etch ? |
| 16:33.27 | valdyn | Ropechoborra: etch is the current stable, sarge is the last one |
| 16:33.38 | rahul | sarge is like using windows 2000, etch is like using windows XP |
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| 16:33.41 | rahul | well, not exactly :P |
| 16:33.48 | Ropechoborra | Ok, i'll try those, i used sarge because i found that link in a howto |
| 16:33.48 | sorsis | apt stateless |
| 16:34.40 | Ropechoborra | Thank you again |
| 16:34.40 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 16:34.40 | dpkg | i heard sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:34.40 | valdyn | !etch |
| 16:34.40 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 16:34.40 | rahul | and unstable is like using vista :) |
| 16:34.41 | sorsis | apt !stateless |
| 16:35.31 | rahul | (except that more stuff works on unstable than on vista :P) |
| 16:35.39 | valdyn | Ropechoborra: sarge should not break like this, but the old mistake of tracking stable instead of sarge could be the cause of this. |
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| 16:35.40 | sorsis | !clone |
| 16:35.40 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 16:35.40 | sorsis | !clonedebian |
| 16:35.40 | sorsis | !clonestate |
| 16:35.43 | rahul | !penixstrike sorsis |
| 16:35.43 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking sorsis to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 16:35.55 | JordiGH | What the hell... I aptitutde removed beryl, but this damn thing still is loading beryl! |
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| 16:36.15 | sorsis | smallpot: aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; |
| 16:37.04 | smallpot | thanks sorsis. A friend of mine ended up with a corrupted system & asked me for advice, but I know nothing re debian. Thanks agai |
| 16:37.18 | sorsis | smallpot: np |
| 16:37.43 | sorsis | smallpot: you want a command to be used for reading that list and then isntalling directly? |
| 16:38.02 | smallpot | sorsis, if it's not big trouble, sure :) |
| 16:38.24 | sorsis | smallpot: xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; |
| 16:38.34 | smallpot | excellent:) 2x thanx |
| 16:38.38 | sorsis | remember to copy package_list file to other machine |
| 16:38.39 | JordiGH | Any success running Beryl with the current 2.5 libc6 in testing? :-/ |
| 16:38.55 | sorsis | smallpot: might allso need 'aptitude upgrade' |
| 16:39.38 | JordiGH | Actually, yes, never mind. It's working right now with the aforementioned libc6... Well, at least it has so far... |
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| 16:43.18 | FlimFlamMan | what's the preferred jabber server in etch? jabber? ejabberd? |
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| 16:45.48 | cluck | hi |
| 16:46.32 | dakoo | what's going on here then |
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| 16:49.10 | tarzeau | so who plays www.sauerbraten.org now? |
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| 16:50.02 | JordiGH | Ack, confirmed. The Beryl built for etch doesn't like the 2.5 libc6. Hm. Wonder if I could build it myself... |
| 16:50.40 | smallpot | Is the /etc/apt/preferences allowed to be empty ? |
| 16:51.08 | JordiGH | smallpot: Yeah. It doesn't even have to exist. |
| 16:51.22 | smallpot | alright, thanx JordiGH :) |
| 16:51.53 | vin` | tarzeau: works here with -t -f |
| 16:52.25 | vin` | tarzeau: which server are you connecting to? |
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| 16:57.26 | win | how can I set my compiler to 4.1.2 version? |
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| 16:57.46 | azeem | win: why 4.1.2 version? |
| 16:58.28 | win | azeem, why don't? It's the version with which I compiled my kernel |
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| 16:58.48 | azeem | win: and which version do you have now? |
| 16:58.56 | win | 4.1.3 |
| 16:59.03 | win | any ideas? |
| 16:59.06 | azeem | win: try snapshot.debian.net |
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| 16:59.21 | jez9999 | Could someone explain to me why IPv4-compatible addresses stopped being used and IPv4-mapped addresses are used instead, when representing IPv4 in IPv6? |
| 16:59.23 | lunartear | what would you recommend using to perform extensive memory tests on a system without interrupting a production environment? |
| 16:59.37 | win | azeem, I only nedd to change the variable, I have 4.1.2 installed |
| 16:59.39 | SlayerCE | lunartear: a boot cd with memtest86 on it |
| 16:59.47 | azeem | win: installed where? |
| 17:00.03 | lunartear | SlayerCE: without interrupting a production environment |
| 17:00.18 | win | please, how can I set the compiler variable or the link or whatever to 4.1.2? |
| 17:00.32 | azeem | win: "4.1.2" is pretty abstract |
| 17:00.35 | SlayerCE | lunartear: you fail over to your hot standby, or take the machine out of the loadbalancer |
| 17:00.53 | frank | lunartear: don't you think that's a contradiction |
| 17:00.55 | lunartear | SlayerCE: im afraid those dont exist |
| 17:00.57 | SlayerCE | if you can't do either of those things then a muppet designed your "production" environment |
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| 17:01.08 | win | enough concrete to distinguish from 4.1.3 |
| 17:01.13 | SlayerCE | lunartear: fire whoever designed your production network |
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| 17:01.17 | azeem | win: *shrug* then |
| 17:01.24 | azeem | win: both should be called "gcc-4.1" |
| 17:01.35 | lunartear | SlayerCE, they are no longer here |
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| 17:01.54 | SlayerCE | lunartear: probably just as well, you're still stuffed however. |
| 17:02.32 | ehc | what is the command to show the uptime of a server? |
| 17:02.40 | atealtha | uptime |
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| 17:03.10 | ehc | atealtha, I should have guessed :) |
| 17:03.29 | lunartear | SlayerCE thanks for being the bearer of bad news |
| 17:03.29 | dakoo | what's going on here then |
| 17:03.32 | lunartear | heh |
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| 17:07.33 | tarzeau | vin`: the gnustep one... but in /coop mode |
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| 17:09.45 | cwheeler | any experience making backups to dvd? what's a good system? |
| 17:11.03 | zOOz | shell script? |
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| 17:11.30 | cwheeler | i'm looking to see if there's a nice system I can just use |
| 17:11.39 | cwheeler | i'm using rsnapshot to back up to another hd now |
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| 17:15.25 | unlink | how do i debug my fast user switch applet? it doesn't have any effect. |
| 17:16.35 | abrotman | SA works that higher scores are worse .. right ? |
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| 17:19.44 | JordiGH | How can I make the local network aware of my computer's hostname? Or is that something the network sysadmin has to do? |
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| 17:20.16 | abrotman | JordiGH: windows network? |
| 17:20.25 | JordiGH | Bah, never mind. It probably is the sysadmin's job. Otherwise I could just use a hostname that conflicts with the sysadmin's network. |
| 17:20.37 | JordiGH | abrotman: No, OpenBSD network, mostly. |
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| 17:20.50 | abrotman | nis or samba |
| 17:20.56 | JordiGH | nis, I think. |
| 17:21.02 | JordiGH | There are some samba servers too. |
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| 17:21.47 | tarzeau | vin`: you comin'? |
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| 17:21.56 | tarzeau | vin`: sorry i just learnt about adding custom mapmodels |
| 17:22.11 | tarzeau | vin`: i mean you can make 3d ducks and put them into a sauerbraten world - FUUUUUN |
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| 17:23.37 | unlink | any tips on troubleshooting the fast user switch applet? i don't see any useful tips in /usr/share/doc/fast-user-switch-applet or yelp, and it has no man page |
| 17:23.56 | unlink | likewise i've seen nothing helpful in google |
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| 17:24.12 | unlink | frustratingly, it simply does not switch users, leaving no error mesage |
| 17:26.05 | unlink | if i try log out -> switch user, it just hangs the log out window |
| 17:27.04 | jez9999 | Could someone explain to me why IPv4-compatible addresses stopped being used and IPv4-mapped addresses are used instead, when representing IPv4 in IPv6? |
| 17:27.05 | Azar | cwheeler: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/backuptools.htm |
| 17:27.14 | tarzeau | is there a tool to convert 3d vrml models into something sane? |
| 17:27.36 | abrotman | people still use vrml ? |
| 17:27.42 | abrotman | the 90s are SOOO back! |
| 17:28.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: i found some models on voyage be vrml :( |
| 17:28.06 | cwheeler | thanks Azar |
| 17:28.22 | tarzeau | i want to make my models md3 as that's what sauerbraten wants (md2 work too) |
| 17:28.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: i might also save them in some native format in my favourite modler (which might be wings3d, blender and/or misfit 3d) |
| 17:28.58 | tarzeau | howeber blender has trouble writing proper md3 so... |
| 17:29.03 | Azar | tarzeau: http://www.3dlinks.com/links.cfm?categoryid=1&subcategoryid=11 ? not sure if is free or non-free |
| 17:29.15 | simonrvn | save them to blend or something |
| 17:29.23 | tarzeau | Azar: i think wings3d can handle them |
| 17:29.33 | Azar | :) yeee!! |
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| 17:30.14 | tarzeau | Azar: lotsa 3d stuff is non-free (especially models, textures, maps) |
| 17:30.18 | Azar | cwheeler: my pleasure |
| 17:30.29 | Azar | tarzeau: indeed I think so too |
| 17:30.32 | tarzeau | Azar: then come sound and music (and in that crap ca-nc shit license) |
| 17:30.38 | tarzeau | the ca people should be shot! |
| 17:30.44 | tarzeau | in their penis |
| 17:30.45 | svente | Hi folks. I want to change from i386 to amd64 system. how can I transfer the package information for dpkg/apt to the new system? Where are the information about installed packages stored? |
| 17:30.58 | unlink | can anyone suggest strategies for trying to debug this? |
| 17:31.01 | Azar | tarzeau: everything good in this world is either immoral, illegal or is fattening |
| 17:31.20 | tarzeau | Azar: debian and gnu are exceptions? |
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| 17:31.33 | svente | sex? |
| 17:31.35 | Azar | tarzeau: yes, the oasis in the inferno |
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| 17:31.58 | simonrvn | like frybread |
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| 17:32.03 | tarzeau | Azar: you know there's so much free software: http://freshmeat.net/stats/ check the license break down |
| 17:32.05 | Azar | hehe |
| 17:32.10 | tarzeau | Azar: but we need a page for data, free software data |
| 17:32.19 | tarzeau | Azar: sound, music, 2d, 3d stuff |
| 17:32.29 | tarzeau | Azar: where people can submit their shit for use by others |
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| 17:32.42 | Azar | tarzeau: I know, but many of those are under os with strings.. |
| 17:32.44 | tarzeau | Azar: because a genious coder often isn't a genious musician or graphics artist |
| 17:32.55 | simonrvn | frybread is like sex. when it's good it's *really* good. when it's not so good, it's still good |
| 17:33.08 | JordiGH | svente: It's highly likely that this will break... The package structure of a 32-bit system is probably quite different from a 64-bit system (but I'm not sure). At any rate, "dpkg -l" lists all currently installed packages. |
| 17:33.10 | simonrvn | 'genius' |
| 17:33.10 | tarzeau | Azar: i'd like debian.net to provide such a platform |
| 17:33.20 | tarzeau | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 17:33.25 | simonrvn | s'ok |
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| 17:33.30 | Azar | :) |
| 17:33.32 | edistar | hey, how do I change from etch to lenny? |
| 17:33.39 | tarzeau | edistar: if you have to ask... |
| 17:33.42 | svente | great hint.... |
| 17:33.46 | nvz | simonrvn: seems to me only men agree with these sorts of things |
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| 17:34.08 | edistar | tarzeau: change the repos in the sources.list |
| 17:34.10 | edistar | but which? |
| 17:34.20 | simonrvn | nvz: get out more then ;) |
| 17:34.24 | svente | I need the information about the meta-packages. So, there should be at least a way to list all packages in a file. |
| 17:34.26 | tarzeau | edistar: what about .. lenny ? |
| 17:34.36 | edistar | I'm just plain stupid :P |
| 17:34.38 | edistar | thanks ;) |
| 17:34.42 | tarzeau | edistar: s'ok |
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| 17:35.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: this is really great, what you think? http://cow.ethz.ch/teftw.mod |
| 17:35.10 | simonrvn | svente: man dpkg; dpkg -L <pkg> | less |
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| 17:35.28 | Azar | tarzeau: mod! love mod's |
| 17:35.34 | nvz | simonrvn: heh, I told this girl about how sex and golf were two things that you could enjoy without being good at.. and she said golf maybe.. so I asked her to go golfing :P |
| 17:35.37 | tarzeau | Azar: try it then, short but great |
| 17:35.38 | simonrvn | tarzeau: so you getting into game design? |
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| 17:35.41 | JordiGH | svente: I don't understand. What information are you looking for? |
| 17:35.47 | tarzeau | simonrvn: yes, why? |
| 17:35.49 | simonrvn | nvz: hehe |
| 17:36.02 | simonrvn | tarzeau: thought so, from your questions |
| 17:36.05 | Azar | tarzeau: you should submit to the mod archives... is the free stuff people share |
| 17:36.07 | tarzeau | simonrvn: because the game is great, the builtin-editor is great |
| 17:36.07 | somian[0] | Hrmhoomhom. I want someone to remind of where, with a Debian/GNOME system, I can put more tf fonts for one user. I think it is something like ~/.fonts but I don't remember exactly. |
| 17:36.15 | somian[0] | ttf* |
| 17:36.31 | tarzeau | Azar: i wish they had propper licenses or stat it's public domain |
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| 17:36.35 | tarzeau | Azar: so much great music, sound, graphics get lost in demoscene because of no licensing |
| 17:36.38 | simonrvn | yes in ~/.fonts; run fc-cache -f as that user |
| 17:36.51 | somian[0] | Great, simonrvn :) |
| 17:36.53 | svente | I was looking for : dpkg -l|awk '/^ii/{ print $2 }'|grep -v -e ^lib -e -dev -e $(uname -r) > Packages text |
| 17:36.55 | tarzeau | Azar: i mean, there could be so much more software, games and stuff in debian |
| 17:37.06 | Azar | tarzeau: I get most of my songs from modarchive and demoscene (xerxes) check it out |
| 17:37.09 | tarzeau | Azar: btw feel like fixing some software, debian'd get more mighty software then |
| 17:37.20 | tarzeau | Azar: know www.maktone.tk ? kickass! |
| 17:37.22 | vin` | tarzeau: lil held up, in a bit |
| 17:37.25 | simonrvn | svente: you asked for package contents |
| 17:37.31 | svente | so I can do apt-get install < $(Packages) |
| 17:37.35 | Azar | tarzeau: will check it out :) |
| 17:37.35 | svente | Right. |
| 17:37.38 | simonrvn | ah |
| 17:37.39 | tarzeau | vin`: k, prepare for some hardcore instagib fragging :) |
| 17:38.15 | svente | I want to set up the same system as I have, only in amd64 architecture. Therfore I need to get the package-names fpr apt. |
| 17:38.25 | tarzeau | Azar: cow.ethz.ch also try julfisk.mod hbkikkah.mod focken.mod and the flopp*.xm eightwon.mod and the someday.sid (play 'em with ocp :) |
| 17:38.47 | simonrvn | svente: dpkg --get-selections > file ; dpkg --get-selections < file |
| 17:38.59 | simonrvn | er second one is set sorry, typo |
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| 17:39.05 | svente | sorry, "contents" might have been misleading. |
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| 17:39.50 | svente | Thanks, that´s great too. |
| 17:40.01 | svente | I´ll try my luck. |
| 17:40.13 | rhalff | raid is for sissies |
| 17:40.14 | simonrvn | man dpkg ;) |
| 17:40.34 | simonrvn | rhalff: tell that to the big iron people |
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| 17:41.00 | JordiGH | Man, I was trying to figure out how to write the awk thingie in svente's solution in Perl. :-/ |
| 17:41.30 | simonrvn | yeh --{get,set}-selections |
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| 17:41.55 | tarzeau | i mean 3d stuff is great, can you imagine brutalchess with 3d models of animals? |
| 17:42.02 | tarzeau | pawns being ducks, cute |
| 17:42.04 | JordiGH | simonrvn: And remove the "install" thingie? |
| 17:42.13 | rhalff | simonrvn: how many cases are there that raid really saved thousands of dollars. |
| 17:42.22 | rod | Hi there, I have a problem with the kernel 2.6.20 and Debian, I compiled the kernel and udev (network manager) not work |
| 17:42.26 | simonrvn | redir to a file then read from it |
| 17:42.35 | rod | lshal return 9 device only |
| 17:42.41 | abrotman | rhalff: saved my ass more than once (though yes .. there are backups) |
| 17:42.56 | rod | when restart the udev more the 50 devices found |
| 17:42.59 | rod | any idea? |
| 17:43.28 | rhalff | abrotman: hmz ok it's also convienent :) |
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| 17:44.02 | abrotman | rhalff: how would you like to sit in your office on weekend reconfiguring a bunch of disks .. and then restoring from tape, etc |
| 17:44.08 | matadon | I seem to recall a command on stable for allowing the user to select a different version of gcc? |
| 17:44.31 | abrotman | rhalff: neither do i .. but downtime is still on you |
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| 17:44.51 | solemnwarning | People still run non-RAID servers, even with the cheap disk prices? |
| 17:45.01 | solemnwarning | My _home_ server has a RAID-1 mirror o_O |
| 17:45.03 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: yes |
| 17:45.05 | abrotman | rhalff: you can have raid .. and replace drives as they fail .. or sit and restore from tape .. which would you prefer ? |
| 17:45.11 | ma3x | tarzeau, you are wrong when you say ati drivers suck. depends! : ati driver sucks, but fglrx (also ati) rocks! |
| 17:45.20 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:45.20 | matadon | abrotman: Having tape is still good for those rm -fr / moments |
| 17:45.22 | rhalff | ah downtime isn't that important, secondlife.com doesn't care, still all users love how they report on how they fix things :p |
| 17:45.25 | tarzeau | ma3x: no it also sucks |
| 17:45.27 | Azar | tarzeau: http://www.scene.org/dir.php?dir=%2Fmusic%2Fartists%2Fxerxes%2Fxm/ |
| 17:45.31 | abrotman | matadon: right .. which is another part of it |
| 17:45.36 | ma3x | tarzeau, why the hell you say that? |
| 17:45.39 | abrotman | matadon: export CC="blah" ? |
| 17:45.41 | ma3x | did you try it out? |
| 17:45.45 | tarzeau | ma3x: because it's true. they crash linux |
| 17:45.47 | abrotman | ati is fglrx |
| 17:45.52 | tarzeau | ma3x: try ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 17:45.56 | ma3x | tarzeau, mine doesn't crash linux |
| 17:45.59 | tarzeau | Azar: any favourite of that long list? |
| 17:45.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: that only happens with some cards |
| 17:46.03 | tarzeau | ma3x: you're lucky |
| 17:46.03 | rhalff | gives some momentum to otherwise ignored sysadmins :p |
| 17:46.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've had two different ones |
| 17:46.15 | matadon | abrotman: No, it seemed like something similar to update-alternatives, but I can't remember what it was. |
| 17:46.17 | ma3x | tarzeau, I pressed, went to console then came back with f7 |
| 17:46.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: two is included in some :) |
| 17:46.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: yep :) |
| 17:46.41 | Azar | tarzeau: bell, elekt, game, marie... among others... 80% are favorites |
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| 17:46.55 | abrotman | matadon: eh .. nfc then |
| 17:47.05 | Azar | tarzeau: he also wrote compos for games |
| 17:47.18 | ma3x | tarzeau, but both ati and nvidia are the greatest! it's like amd and intel - you can't say amd sucks |
| 17:47.33 | tarzeau | ma3x: right, because intel sucks already |
| 17:47.36 | abrotman | see .. now you know he's on crack |
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| 17:47.50 | Azar | tarzeau: http://www.mirsoft.info/gmb/musician_info.php?id_ele=MTQ2Ng== << for games only |
| 17:47.52 | somian[0] | Intel has done a good job of support FOSS drivers for its video too. |
| 17:47.57 | ma3x | tarzeau, haha. well i got amd so I can't argue about that |
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| 17:48.21 | somian[0] | If you aren't a heavy gamer and you use laptops, that matters a lot. |
| 17:48.35 | matadon | abrotman: Makes two of us; oh well, I'll figure it out. |
| 17:48.40 | ma3x | tarzeau, but intel's like more classical you know.. intel vs amd = mercedes vs bmw |
| 17:49.20 | abrotman | matadon: i think there's a #debian-gcc on irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:49.28 | Azar | intel to me allways looked vishi-vashi... amd allwas went strong and direct to the point |
| 17:49.34 | rod | Hi there, I have a problem with the kernel 2.6.20 and Debian, I compiled the kernel and udev (network manager) not work |
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| 17:49.53 | chops | rod: I asked you this last week, think :-): How did you compile your kernel? |
| 17:49.53 | Azar | rod: Debian... what version? |
| 17:49.58 | tarzeau | rod: no need to keep repeating |
| 17:50.21 | rod | version the kernel: 2.6.20 |
| 17:50.29 | funkmaster | #freevo |
| 17:50.32 | tarzeau | Azar: listening to the 4 you named |
| 17:50.35 | rod | I compile with make-kpkg |
| 17:50.39 | Azar | :) Debian version, not kernel version |
| 17:50.45 | Azar | tarzeau: :) ok |
| 17:50.55 | rod | Azar: sorry..... my etch version |
| 17:50.56 | tarzeau | Azar: which player you use? hopefully not xmp or mikmod? |
| 17:51.08 | Azar | xmms.. with plugins |
| 17:51.21 | tarzeau | Azar: modplug then? |
| 17:51.26 | Azar | yes :) |
| 17:51.33 | tarzeau | xmms has mikmod and modplug |
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| 17:51.52 | tarzeau | Azar: they are nice tunes, i like them |
| 17:51.55 | Azar | yes that why I only use xmms... I only listen to xm, s3m and mod stuff |
| 17:52.08 | tarzeau | Azar: try modplugplay or ocp once |
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| 17:52.46 | Azar | ok, I will try them... try more from xerxes , his stuff really rock |
| 17:52.56 | chops | rod: Does a Debian kernel image have the same problem? What did you do different when you compiled it? |
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| 17:53.59 | Ropechoborra | What is the kernel 486 for? |
| 17:54.12 | ben_goodger | for 486 machines..? |
| 17:54.12 | tarzeau | Ropechoborra: for the computers 486 and 586? |
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| 17:54.42 | Ropechoborra | That was the default option in the install |
| 17:54.46 | tsurko | hello, I have to prioritise some traffic on a linux router. I've read some docs about tc and I think I should use PRIO qdisc. The manual says that I can split the traffic using classes, but what qdsic I should assign to each clasS? |
| 17:54.51 | Ropechoborra | =/ |
| 17:55.06 | ben_goodger | Ropechoborra: lowest common denominator |
| 17:55.36 | Ropechoborra | also was 386 but i wasnt shure, so i installed 486 |
| 17:55.50 | tarzeau | Ropechoborra: 386 don't exist anymore |
| 17:56.02 | tarzeau | Ropechoborra: linux kernel don't support it because of some floating point or something bug |
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| 17:56.21 | somian[0] | It's just age, isn't it? |
| 17:56.32 | tarzeau | Ropechoborra: and since debian needs a lot of memory, it's even hard to get onto a 486 (if you don't have enough mem) |
| 17:56.32 | Ropechoborra | Ok |
| 17:56.54 | chops | somian[0]: Well, they had no plans to stop support... but someone found a bug that had broken 386 for some months, and no one had noticed, so they decided to "stop" supporting it :-) |
| 17:57.05 | Ropechoborra | Uhmmm i dont think it has much memory =/ |
| 17:57.07 | somian[0] | What was the last Debian kernel that supported i386? |
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| 17:57.15 | tarzeau | somian[0]: sarge |
| 17:57.17 | somian[0] | chops: I see! |
| 17:57.45 | somian[0] | Ok, 'cause I actually have a 386 machine that I may try to turn into a router someday or something. |
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| 17:57.53 | tarzeau | somian[0]: how muhc memory? |
| 17:58.03 | tarzeau | somian[0]: i've had two also, the landed in the bin (4 and 8 mb mem) |
| 17:58.07 | somian[0] | Not enough i am sure :-( ... 20 MB |
| 17:58.24 | tarzeau | somian[0]: it's really not much 20 mb for debian |
| 17:58.29 | Ropechoborra | wich is the minimal memory requiered for runing debian etch ? |
| 17:58.38 | tarzeau | Ropechoborra: with x? 64 mb |
| 17:58.44 | Ropechoborra | without |
| 17:58.48 | tarzeau | Ropechoborra: 32 mb |
| 17:58.59 | Ropechoborra | Ok, guess i install fluxbox :P |
| 17:59.00 | ben_goodger | Ropechoborra: 128 or 256 for decent performance... you can run it on 16mb without x, if you strip it down |
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| 17:59.05 | tarzeau | anything below is just masochism |
| 17:59.12 | ben_goodger | Ropechoborra: fluxbox uses x... |
| 17:59.21 | tarzeau | ben_goodger: time waste stripping it down's just not worth it |
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| 18:00.06 | Ropechoborra | ben_goodger thats why, if sometime i want to install x guess it will be fluxbox |
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| 18:00.47 | chops | I used a 32mb machine with Debian some years ago, and it was very painful. Massive swapping making dpkg operations take decent fractions of an hour was what made me throw in the towel. |
| 18:00.53 | simmerz | how do i find out what version of a package is installed straight off the command line? |
| 18:00.58 | chops | simmerz: dpkg -l |
| 18:01.00 | simmerz | thanks |
| 18:01.12 | tarzeau | chops: yes 64mb is much better already |
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| 18:01.45 | piti | I've a problem with my debian (lenny). I sync to a ntp server at every boot, but my laptop loose about 1 hour after 8 hours of use. it says that's it's 18h54 now instead of 19h59. |
| 18:02.03 | ben_goodger | that's your timezone |
| 18:02.22 | ben_goodger | or does it actually drop down slowly? |
| 18:02.59 | PaSurf | I am installing Etch, which seems to go well until I get to the mirrors section. I am getting the error "bad archive mirror not available or does not have valid release file on it." I tried just going into the system and pinging different sites and that works fine. |
| 18:03.15 | piti | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.20 | PaSurf | I have tried just about all the mirrors with same error... |
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| 18:03.53 | Maximiliank | brb |
| 18:04.03 | Maximiliank | oops |
| 18:04.10 | Maximiliank | stupid amsg |
| 18:04.29 | Azar | PaSurf: it seems you are not the only one.... yesterday someone complained about same issue.. |
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| 18:05.13 | Azar | PaSurf: at the installer, or after installation is done? |
| 18:05.14 | PaSurf | Azar: I thought it was the disk, so a friend of mine had a disk that installed fine. But even with his disk, I am getting errors. Not really sure what to make of it. |
| 18:05.21 | PaSurf | during the install |
| 18:06.07 | Azar | it looks like is pointing to archives that require maybe a new key |
| 18:06.48 | PaSurf | Azar: So the install goes well all the way to the mirror section then errors. I skipped to the end and tried pinging sites (www.google.com) no problem. |
| 18:07.20 | PaSurf | I also tried changing the sources.list file and just got errors too |
| 18:07.20 | Azar | PaSurf: if you manage to finish installation without mirrors, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:07.32 | Azar | I will give you a source to try |
| 18:07.35 | PaSurf | k |
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| 18:08.40 | Azar | two in fact: deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib and |
| 18:08.44 | Azar | deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
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| 18:08.48 | xvmde | Hi |
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| 18:08.53 | xvmde | i need help with Ekiga; |
| 18:08.58 | Azar | # comment all others then try |
| 18:09.10 | xvmde | How to have ulaw and alaw codecs with Ekiga ? |
| 18:09.19 | Azar | oh replace / sarge with / etch there |
| 18:09.44 | PaSurf | will do, thanks |
| 18:09.58 | piti | Ben_godger: Is the time calculated without the bios' clock ? using (this awful) windows I hadn't this problem... |
| 18:10.01 | Azar | do aptitude update then aptitude upgrade after editing |
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| 18:10.21 | piti | Ben_godger: And how should I do to resolve it ? |
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| 18:10.29 | valdyn | PaSurf: read /etc/resolv.conf from the installer, see if its ok |
| 18:10.34 | abrotman | Azar: that's wrong |
| 18:10.45 | abrotman | !sarge->etch |
| 18:10.45 | dpkg | sarge->etch is, like, read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 18:10.52 | Azar | abrotman: that's best I thought of, if is wrong, is wrong |
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| 18:11.15 | Azar | abrotman: he is installing Etch and the archives are not responding on installation |
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| 18:12.19 | FromTO | I am trying to form a preferences file in etc/apt/ so it does not upgrade xemacs from an oldstable release but it does not work. This is what I have Package: xemacs21 Pin:release a=oldstable Pin-Priority=-1. |
| 18:12.22 | Azar | someone should alert the installer team about it... is the installer using old keyring? |
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| 18:12.43 | abrotman | PaSurf: which mirrors are you trying ? |
| 18:12.57 | abrotman | or all of them ? |
| 18:13.20 | PaSurf | abrotman: I tried pretty much all of them. mostly the osu the the ftp.debian |
| 18:13.21 | valdyn | his error can just aswell be caused by non-working ns lookups |
| 18:14.03 | abrotman | PaSurf: i wouldn't use ftp.debian.org or ftp.us.debian.org |
| 18:14.58 | PaSurf | I just went down the list. Even Switzerland (which I thought was neutral) gave me the finger... |
| 18:15.01 | Azar | PaSurf: I am in the us but I am using a .de mirror |
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| 18:15.45 | PaSurf | I have several other etch installs, so I pulled from the sources list on them and nothing.. So I can reach them just not with this machine... |
| 18:15.49 | valdyn | FromTO: that's a pretty low priority |
| 18:15.55 | Azar | PaSurf: try using lynx or links as a console browser see if you can access google or yahoo |
| 18:16.35 | valdyn | PaSurf: is there http:// and ftp:// urls to chose from? |
| 18:16.42 | PaSurf | Azar: just did a ping on them no problem, and I pinged the sources you gave me. They worked too |
| 18:16.43 | abrotman | Azar: tried apt-spy ? |
| 18:17.02 | piti | Other users: is anyone who experienced some trouble with time ? (time runs off too slowly ) |
| 18:17.06 | Azar | abrotman: I am ok maybe PaSurf can try it |
| 18:17.15 | PaSurf | I just ran an aptitude update on another system on the network and was able to update |
| 18:17.21 | valdyn | piti: ask a proper question |
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| 18:17.38 | valdyn | piti: timer issues are widely known, that wont help you though |
| 18:17.50 | FromTO | valdyn: in the apt info it says P < 0 prevents the instance from being installed |
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| 18:18.09 | uroboros | Hello. |
| 18:18.30 | valdyn | !apt pinning |
| 18:18.34 | valdyn | !pinning |
| 18:18.34 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 18:18.54 | valdyn | FromTO: that's not what you want |
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| 18:19.09 | valdyn | FromTO: you want to PIN a package, not avoid just that package being installed |
| 18:19.17 | piti | Valdyn: please ecuse me, I'm not a natural english talker, I do what I can to be as clear as possible. |
| 18:19.17 | sm | hi.. I've just noticed my system is using no swap at all. I've increased /proc/sys/vm/swappiness from 60 to 100, with no effect. There is an entry in fstab. What could cause this ? |
| 18:19.17 | valdyn | FromTO: maximum priority is what you want |
| 18:19.23 | PaSurf | yes, there are different urls to choose from. I just basically went down the list. I tried sources I normally wouldn't think twice about using... |
| 18:19.46 | valdyn | piti: tell us your issue, dont ask us if we have an issue or know an issue |
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| 18:20.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://sauerbraten.istheshit.net/ |
| 18:20.28 | Azar | hehe |
| 18:20.43 | uroboros | I would like to ask whether somebody suffer from packet loss with bonding module in mode balance-rr while connected two physical interfaces to a vlan switch's trunk ports that are link-aggregated? |
| 18:20.52 | uroboros | Debian/Etch, 2.6.18-4 |
| 18:20.59 | bolt | yay! |
| 18:21.01 | bolt | it works! |
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| 18:21.09 | Azar | tarzeau: sauerbraten is something like grosse wursht? (big hot dog) ? |
| 18:21.17 | heanol | i wish to install debian but all i have is one empty dvd.. is it enough to have dvd iso #1 for installation or do i need all 4? |
| 18:21.19 | valdyn | !tell uroboros -about ask |
| 18:22.19 | tarzeau | Azar: is like meat, i'm not sure made of what |
| 18:22.19 | tarzeau | Azar: certainly not a wurst |
| 18:22.19 | bolt | heanol: all you need is netinstall, in most cases |
| 18:22.20 | valdyn | heanol: you need much less than that actually, one dvd is more than enough |
| 18:22.20 | heanol | bolt, can i burn the netinstall iso to a dvd? |
| 18:22.20 | Azar | heanol: #1 installs all Debian "base". Then you get one by one all other components |
| 18:22.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: no mas! |
| 18:22.21 | uroboros | valdyn: I though my question was well formulated. Perhaps it was not. Sorry. |
| 18:22.21 | bolt | heanol: sure, if you like wasting dvd's on something that fits on a cd |
| 18:22.21 | Azar | :) |
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| 18:22.35 | valdyn | heanol: if you have the bandwidth and you are familiar with bittorrent, i would get the first dvd and burn it |
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| 18:22.42 | abrotman | valdyn: he actually did tell us his issue |
| 18:22.49 | abrotman | piti: is it a gradual change .. or suden ? |
| 18:23.07 | seta666 | i have quesion with webalizer |
| 18:23.14 | piti | Ok. My problem is that the clock is constantly disturbed, loosing minutes and minutes along the day... |
| 18:23.14 | seta666 | anyone help me? |
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| 18:23.22 | FromTO | valdyn: is there a way to just tell apt to leave the package alone. I do not want to upgrade it at all. I tried higher pin prioity but it did not work |
| 18:23.23 | PaSurf | Azar: the sources you gave me seem to work... Not sure what is happening now.. |
| 18:23.27 | Azar | seta666: ask the question first: details |
| 18:23.33 | valdyn | piti: does that dropdown happen without ntp? |
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| 18:23.48 | bolt | heanol: true, that. no point in not filling the dved when you have one. |
| 18:23.54 | Azar | PaSurf: if you do aptitude update and aptitude upgrade you are set |
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| 18:24.10 | PaSurf | Azar: So I just ran an aptitude update will do the upgrade next. Thanks for the links! |
| 18:24.11 | valdyn | FromTO: higher meaning what? |
| 18:24.14 | Azar | that was a quick lunch, abrotman :) |
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| 18:24.27 | uroboros | I think my question is Debian related, because I had no problems with bonding module in Sarge but now I have serious problems with Etch with the same configuration. I can be Debian related, or at least, it is Debian/Etch's kernel version related, as I only quess (of course). |
| 18:24.29 | abrotman | Azar: uhm .. way past lunch here |
| 18:24.32 | FromTO | valdyn: I tried 100000 |
| 18:24.32 | seta666 | i have some sites in /home/sites/and here is domains and how make webalizer to run for all of domains for each other pages? |
| 18:24.34 | piti | The ntp sync is done only at boot time. but I'd like to see the real time even if I'm not connected. |
| 18:24.41 | Azar | PaSurf: welcome, I was kind of newbiesh... but glad it worked |
| 18:24.55 | abrotman | piti: is it sudden or drastic ? |
| 18:25.01 | valdyn | FromTO: /lastlog FromTO |
| 18:25.05 | valdyn | ops |
| 18:25.16 | PaSurf | Azar: it's pretty fast too so another source for the servers... |
| 18:25.32 | piti | That's not sudden ... It loose few minutes each hour. |
| 18:25.33 | Azar | PaSurf: my favorite repo... |
| 18:25.52 | piti | And few seconds each minute. |
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| 18:28.17 | bolt-work | piti: just run ntpd? |
| 18:28.45 | valdyn | piti: 'ps aux | grep ntp' |
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| 18:29.11 | piti | I just tried, it's already runnig. |
| 18:29.13 | dusk | anyone know where i can find lzm2dir? |
| 18:29.28 | bolt-work | piti: ntpq -p |
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| 18:29.42 | valdyn | piti: looks to me like your ntp is syncing your time one hour back |
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| 18:30.39 | valdyn | piti: ntpd would do this in very small steps, because changing time is a dangerous thing |
| 18:31.06 | atp | hey, looking at apt-cache it seems as though the debian package 'git' doesn't actually have anything to do with the version control system of that name; am i correct? |
| 18:31.09 | valdyn | piti: so, /etc/init.d/ntp stop and see if you clock actually improves |
| 18:31.13 | piti | Valdyn : that's not. after boot , the time is ok. |
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| 18:31.21 | atp | and if so, which packages should i install to get git? git-core? |
| 18:31.22 | rahul | valdyn: you're supposed to say "time travel is a dangerous thing" :) |
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| 18:31.33 | valdyn | piti: after boot that's not ntpd |
| 18:32.10 | rahul | piti: try looking at the output of ntpq -c pe |
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| 18:32.16 | bolt-work | piti: what kind of machine is this anyway? |
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| 18:32.26 | rahul | see if you're actually able to maintain a sync with any time servers |
| 18:32.27 | dwu | a tardis, obviously. |
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| 18:32.49 | zedboy | atp: git-core. |
| 18:33.01 | SoulChild | Anyone know about the Iceweasel/Flash Problem ? |
| 18:33.03 | piti | Bolt-work : I'm on a pc (pentium 4 laptop) |
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| 18:33.20 | abrotman | 'the'? |
| 18:33.21 | atp | thanks, zedboy. |
| 18:33.23 | asd | how to delete a file called --foo.php from the command line ? |
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| 18:33.35 | abrotman | asd: rm -- --foo.php |
| 18:33.39 | asd | aha! |
| 18:33.40 | rahul | SoulChild: other than the flash part? |
| 18:34.07 | asd | abrotman, thank you!! |
| 18:34.12 | SoulChild | rahul: ??? it s that iceweasel crashes on some flash sites, although flash works |
| 18:34.13 | dwu | heh. |
| 18:34.29 | rahul | SoulChild: that makes no sense |
| 18:34.41 | rahul | flash crashes iceweasel, but flash works? |
| 18:34.43 | valdyn | FromTO: is 'oldstable' listed on "apt-cache policy xemacs21" |
| 18:35.00 | SoulChild | rahul: yes it makes,... flash works, but when i close iceweasel while i play a flash movie, it freezes |
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| 18:35.17 | rahul | SoulChild: so that's flash being buggy |
| 18:35.32 | rahul | SoulChild: it's not closing down properly. |
| 18:35.50 | SoulChild | rahul: dunno,... but there are a lot of other ppl having this issue, but noone solved |
| 18:36.16 | rahul | SoulChild: what do you expect us to do about it? |
| 18:36.17 | abrotman | dude .. it's flash |
| 18:36.40 | abrotman | 1-800-FU-ADOBE |
| 18:36.54 | rahul | even if we COULD fix flash, it would be illegal to |
| 18:37.02 | SoulChild | rahul: i though, maybe someone, know howto solve |
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| 18:37.06 | jdhore | i have a massive problem...i'm currently running Sid and i can't get the nvidia drivers working on the 2.6.21 kernel. I was told to use the trunk kernel repo and get the 2.6.22 kernel and use that, and the nvidia module compiled fine, but it didn't load, and now when i try to go back to 2.6.18 (where the nvidia driver was working), it gives me the same issue...anyone have any ideas? |
| 18:37.13 | bolt-work | internet explorer in wine :P |
| 18:37.24 | rahul | SoulChild: don't use flash |
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| 18:37.37 | SoulChild | rahul: i need it, i am a web designer |
| 18:37.45 | edistar | can anyone help me to set up my wireless in my laptop? |
| 18:37.46 | madclicker | hi, looking for "tsql" command for etch |
| 18:37.55 | rahul | SoulChild: web designers don't need flash |
| 18:37.57 | edistar | It is being recognized by debian.. |
| 18:37.58 | FromTO | valdyn: yes |
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| 18:38.02 | asd | madclicker, apt-file search tsql (??) |
| 18:38.31 | edistar | but somehow my card does not want to initialize |
| 18:38.32 | bolt-work | !tell jdhore about sid |
| 18:38.36 | SoulChild | rahul: yes they do, especially when showing the client a site, on my notebook, and there i only have debian installed |
| 18:38.39 | rahul | SoulChild: that's like saying, I'm a photographer, I need a boat |
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| 18:38.57 | SoulChild | rahul: no it isn't |
| 18:38.59 | rahul | SoulChild: so design web pages, not movies |
| 18:39.06 | edistar | hehe |
| 18:39.13 | piti | I tried the command :ntpq -c pe and I get the following ouput : ntpq: read: Connection refused. |
| 18:39.16 | SoulChild | rahul: ever heared of flash-based websites ? |
| 18:39.17 | rahul | if you want to go into film, do that |
| 18:39.22 | tuv | does mdadm --create erase the existing array or can it make mdadm recognize it again? suddently my raid0 array is not found by mdadm --assemble --scan |
| 18:39.25 | jdhore | bolt-work, i know using sid was a bit stupid on my part, but i was hoping you guys would have some idea how i could get myself out of this pickle |
| 18:39.28 | rahul | SoulChild: you are a tool. |
| 18:39.46 | dwu | Whoa. |
| 18:39.57 | SoulChild | rahul: tool ??? sorry,... i don't understand however i don't want to know |
| 18:40.02 | rahul | SoulChild: if you want to do stupid shit like that, use windows. |
| 18:40.17 | SoulChild | rahul: YOu are the reason why ppl change to windows again, thanks for your support and help |
| 18:40.22 | rahul | if you want to do things the way someone competent would do it, use linux |
| 18:40.42 | edistar | why does debian always complain that the network is down? |
| 18:40.52 | rahul | yes, I'm the reason when you're the one who makes your website require windows to work correctly |
| 18:41.04 | cwheeler | that little icon on the right of the top toolbar? |
| 18:41.04 | rahul | edistar: "debian"? |
| 18:41.05 | bolt-work | jdhore: good luck with that. people using sid are generally expected to figure out their own problems. what do you mean by "it didn't load" anyway? |
| 18:41.20 | cwheeler | no clue but mine is up, i wondered about that |
| 18:42.09 | SoulChild | rahul: i am sorry,... but that's how i am able to study,... i need the money,... and i can't tell my clients, no i don't use flash, cause it requires windows ,... |
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| 18:42.09 | edistar | yes, I don't know why it says network is down |
| 18:42.09 | rahul | SoulChild: so use windows. |
| 18:42.09 | edistar | as it isn't |
| 18:42.10 | rahul | SoulChild: that's your problem, not ours. |
| 18:42.10 | madclicker | asd, no such command apt-file |
| 18:42.10 | abrotman | SoulChild: it's not flash per se .. it's buggy flash .. and there's a lot of it |
| 18:42.21 | pumpkin0 | edistar: KDE, Gome, xfce ? |
| 18:42.22 | abrotman | SoulChild: FWIW .. i use flash in a seperate browser than the one i normally use |
| 18:42.23 | dwu | madclicker: So install apt-file. |
| 18:42.23 | bolt-work | edistar: he wants to know what specific part of debian is telling you the network is down |
| 18:42.28 | edistar | command line |
| 18:42.30 | cwheeler | I don't know either, if you can't live with it you've bot the source |
| 18:42.31 | SoulChild | rahul: please don't talk to me anymore,... looking for someone else who wants to help me |
| 18:42.33 | jdhore | bolt-work, when i try to start x using the nvidia driver, it says it can not find the module, but when i modprobe -l, it's there and when i try to modprobe nvidia it doesn't throw any errors |
| 18:42.35 | rahul | abrotman: are you sure it's not the flash plugin's fault? |
| 18:42.46 | pumpkin0 | edistar: what command do you use? |
| 18:42.50 | rahul | SoulChild: your clients are opposed to linux, so why are you complaining to us? |
| 18:42.56 | edistar | just when it's starting up |
| 18:43.02 | asd | madclicker, apt-get install apt-file, you wanna know to which packages tsql belongs? |
| 18:43.03 | edistar | It says that the network is down |
| 18:43.06 | abrotman | rahul: simple flash (menus/icons) usually work .. bigger crap like the yakima.com(dunno if it still is the same) didn't work in linux (might now) |
| 18:43.13 | abrotman | rahul: and movies and such |
| 18:43.19 | bolt-work | jdhore: and you're sure the module x requests is exactly the same module you have loaded? |
| 18:43.20 | pumpkin0 | edistar: does the msg show up in "dmesg" ? |
| 18:43.24 | rahul | abrotman: but that doesn't mean that it's the flash script's fault |
| 18:43.29 | SoulChild | rahul: i am not complaining, it 's you who is attacking, i simply want to solve my iceweasel-flash problem ,... |
| 18:43.38 | rahul | abrotman: it may be coded correctly, but interpreted buggily |
| 18:43.40 | madclicker | asd, did it, but nothing on "tsql" |
| 18:43.42 | abrotman | rahul: it's the assmonkey that made the buggy flash that didn't respect z-levels |
| 18:43.47 | rahul | SoulChild: there is no problem. don't use flash. |
| 18:43.52 | cwheeler | there's a little icon in metacity by the time that says "no network" too but obviously i have a network link up |
| 18:43.53 | rahul | abrotman: in all cases? |
| 18:43.55 | abrotman | !gnash |
| 18:43.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. ... |
| 18:43.58 | edistar | dmesg? |
| 18:44.01 | rahul | abrotman: what about flash that doesn't crash in windows? |
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| 18:44.13 | abrotman | rahul: have you seen some of the idjits that make websites these days!? |
| 18:44.23 | jdhore | bolt-work, when i view the full xorg.log it gives the same path to the nvidia module as modprobe gives |
| 18:44.24 | asd | madclicker, maybe it's not packages for Debian? what is this tsql anyway? |
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| 18:44.28 | bolt-work | edistar: if that's during boot, it probably just means the network hasn't been initialized yet, that something requests network access before the drivers are loaded, before you have recieved an ip, or anything. if everything works as expected, ignore it. |
| 18:44.29 | abrotman | they'll give anyone a webserver! |
| 18:44.29 | asd | packaged* |
| 18:44.46 | SoulChild | rahul: there is no problem ??? http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=iceweasel+flash+crash&btnG=Suche&meta= |
| 18:44.51 | edistar | but my wireless does not work :( |
| 18:44.52 | rahul | abrotman: those lemur-types in the basement? |
| 18:45.07 | rahul | I think one of them tried to throw poop at me... never went back |
| 18:45.09 | jdhore | well...also, is there some way to get back to Etch/Lenny without totally hosing my system? |
| 18:45.11 | pumpkin0 | edistar: (IMHO it's a debug message and should be ignored). Open a console and run "dmesg|less". But i don't think it will get you any new ... |
| 18:45.18 | rahul | SoulChild: the problem is unrelated to debian. |
| 18:45.30 | rahul | SoulChild: abrotman seems to think it's your buggy flash coding. |
| 18:45.31 | chops | SoulChild: What are the Debian developers supposed to do about a proprietary plugin that's crashing, exactly? Reverse engineer and patch the binary? Complain to Macromedia, or help with gnash. |
| 18:45.34 | bolt-work | jdhore: i am not a sid user, but my guess would be that it expects a different version of the module. maybe an older one, which was out when your copy of x was new. |
| 18:45.39 | pumpkin0 | edistar: OK, in that case: open a console, become root and run "iwconfig" |
| 18:45.41 | SoulChild | rahul: okay,... tha's all i wanted to know, so there seems not be a solution yet,... thanks |
| 18:45.42 | bolt-work | jdhore: just guessing here. |
| 18:45.49 | rahul | SoulChild: it would be a violation of laws for us to fix the problem |
| 18:45.54 | JacobH_ | SoulChild: there are lots of other browsers you could use...try Opera for instance? |
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| 18:46.05 | abrotman | SoulChild: try another browser with flash .. sometimes it really makes a difference |
| 18:46.09 | SoulChild | JacobH_: i will thank you |
| 18:46.10 | abrotman | SoulChild: like opera .. or konq |
| 18:46.19 | SoulChild | abrotman: konq is for KDE right ? |
| 18:46.20 | abrotman | or epiphany .. etc |
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| 18:46.28 | abrotman | SoulChild: yes .. so you'd need 1/2 of KDE to get it running :) |
| 18:46.33 | somian[0] | Debian: The OS for Adults |
| 18:46.38 | jdhore | bolt-work, thanks...BTW, do you know if i could possibly get back to Etch/Lenny without reformatting/hosing my system |
| 18:46.39 | rahul | I've only ever seen random crashes in assweasel with flash |
| 18:46.45 | SoulChild | abrotman: no thanks, ill try opera |
| 18:46.55 | wols | jdhore: what is the error? |
| 18:46.55 | SoulChild | abrotman: thank you |
| 18:47.01 | wols | jdhore: you cannot downgrade |
| 18:47.05 | abrotman | SoulChild: alternately .. you could try to use gnash .. but i don't know how far it has progressed |
| 18:47.09 | madclicker | asd, it is a sql connector from a terminal |
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| 18:47.43 | asd | madclicker, what is it's main site? doesn't it offer source code so you you could compile it? |
| 18:47.43 | abrotman | !find tsql etch |
| 18:47.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tsql' (6 of 16): (/usr/share/qt4/doc/html/qtsql.html) in doc/qt4-doc ;; (/usr/share/php-geshi/geshi/tsql.php) in web/php-geshi ;; (/usr/bin/forgetsql-generate) in python/python-forgetsql ;; (/usr/share/dokuwiki/inc/geshi/tsql.php) in web/dokuwiki ;; (/usr/share/sip/qt/qtsql/qtsqlmod.sip) in python/python-qt-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/python-qt4-doc/html/qtsql.html) in doc/python-qt4-doc. |
| 18:48.05 | bolt-work | jdhore: that's generally not possible. it requires a lot of manual downgrading and usually results in a very buggy and inconsistent system. i suggest you back up your existing configuration and reinstall, then use your existing config files as reference to get everything back up in a jiffy |
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| 18:48.30 | somian[0] | I'd like to get Adept working but I run GNOME; it refuses to run when I try to start it (as an unpriviliged user) using gksu /usr/bin/adept_manager ... it claims that the authentication methods available are not acceptable. |
| 18:48.44 | somian[0] | What's up with that? |
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| 18:49.11 | edistar | just says Access Point: invalid |
| 18:49.41 | madclicker | asd, i am reading a howto from http://www.freetds.org |
| 18:49.46 | pumpkin0 | edistar: only that one line ? |
| 18:49.59 | edistar | no... but that is the only error as far as I can see... |
| 18:50.05 | edistar | the rest is alright.. |
| 18:50.46 | pumpkin0 | edistar: put the whole thing into: http://pastebin.com/ please. And which WLAN-card do you have ? |
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| 18:51.50 | thojo | Is it possible to configure a syslog server to use specific rules depending on who's the client? - To distinguish from the local loglevel and a clients loglevel? |
| 18:52.21 | edistar | I have a broadcom.. |
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| 18:52.42 | edistar | would be unhandy with pastebin, cause that laptop hasn't any internet connection at the moment |
| 18:52.49 | edistar | its a broadcom 4305 |
| 18:53.38 | dwu | "unhandy with a pastebin" leads to it being harder for people to help you; pumpkin0 is only trying to get maximum information. Duplicate it by hand if you have to, I guess :) |
| 18:54.20 | pumpkin0 | edistar: OK, lets walk this one home: which kernel version (uname -a) ? |
| 18:54.39 | edistar | 2.6.18 |
| 18:54.48 | pumpkin0 | edistar: debian etch, right ? |
| 18:54.52 | edistar | lenny |
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| 18:55.14 | pumpkin0 | edistar: hm... OK. first lien of iwconfig: "eth0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID"... ? |
| 18:57.00 | edistar | yes |
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| 18:57.07 | edistar | ESSID:"" |
| 18:57.14 | edistar | Nickname "Broadcom 4506 |
| 18:57.18 | edistar | " |
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| 18:57.38 | pumpkin0 | edistar: Did you configure any encryption on the WLAN-AP ? |
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| 18:57.41 | edistar | no |
| 18:57.49 | edistar | at the moment it's completely open |
| 18:57.57 | somian[0] | Ok, here's one: in GNOME how can we increase the inactivity timeout? |
| 18:57.57 | edistar | it needs to be... :/ |
| 18:57.58 | waspius | what is the command for formating a usb stick? |
| 18:58.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: damn the vrml import of blender didn't work on my 3d duck :( |
| 18:58.15 | edistar | waspius: the same as for a normal disk |
| 18:58.16 | pumpkin0 | edistar: "iwlist eth0 scanning". Any output ? |
| 18:58.17 | tarzeau | Azar: wings3d can't do it |
| 18:58.17 | gpm | somian[0]: for the screensaver? |
| 18:58.28 | somian[0] | Yesm gpm |
| 18:58.30 | waspius | edistar: which is? |
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| 18:58.37 | abrotman | home! |
| 18:58.40 | gpm | somian[0]: go to desktop->preferences->screensaver |
| 18:58.51 | somian[0] | Ok, thanks |
| 18:58.57 | edistar | Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device |
| 18:59.20 | edistar | waspius: fdisk /dev/sd* |
| 19:00.00 | pumpkin0 | edistar: waspius was asking about format, not partition ... |
| 19:00.10 | edistar | sry then |
| 19:00.24 | edistar | :-[ |
| 19:00.30 | pumpkin0 | edistar: "iwconfig eth0 essid any" ? |
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| 19:00.45 | SoulChild | Damn Opera rocks! |
| 19:01.13 | cahoot | damn rock operas |
| 19:01.13 | edistar | pumpkin0: doesn't give any error message |
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| 19:01.22 | dwu | what, like Carmen and stuff? |
| 19:01.24 | waspius_ | edistar: ? |
| 19:01.29 | pumpkin0 | edistar: rerun iwconfig. Did it find something ? |
| 19:01.36 | dwu | Ride of the valkryies, even, ah. |
| 19:01.41 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 19:01.49 | edistar | no, same error |
| 19:01.55 | *** mode/#debian [+b Socket!*@*] by mentor |
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| 19:01.58 | pumpkin0 | waspius: mkfs.ext3 for ext3. Do you want something that is windows-readable ? |
| 19:02.09 | dwu | mentor: eep! |
| 19:02.10 | somian[0] | It's handy to abandon stupid Windwoes terminologies when adopting Linux, waspius ... you want to 'create a filesystem' on a usb stick. |
| 19:02.21 | zinx | !ops Socket!n=_BeRFu_@88.240.135.178 Yeah. It's the FPV spammer *again*. |
| 19:02.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: zinx complains about: Socket!n=_BeRFu_@88.240.135.178 Yeah. It's the FPV spammer *again*. |
| 19:02.24 | waspius_ | pumpkin0: it is an mp3 player |
| 19:02.37 | pumpkin0 | waspius: you don't want to format that. |
| 19:02.40 | dwu | zinx: He was just banned, methinks. |
| 19:02.41 | mentor | zinx: slow |
| 19:02.50 | zinx | oh, shoot |
| 19:02.52 | edistar | pumpkin0: I have to go... cu soon, thanks for your help anyway! |
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| 19:02.53 | somian[0] | Sounds like messing with it would be a good way to render it unusable, waspius |
| 19:02.55 | waspius_ | pumpkin0: why?in windows i used ti |
| 19:02.55 | zinx | he was there when i /whois'd him :/ |
| 19:02.57 | waspius_ | to |
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| 19:03.30 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 19:03.37 | Fly-man- | aptitude (show all packages) |
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| 19:03.47 | pumpkin0 | waspius: reformat using the MP3 Player. MP3 Players use FAT16 or FAT32.... |
| 19:03.48 | Fly-man- | which commando to use ?? |
| 19:03.55 | dwu | mentor: Long reach. |
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| 19:04.10 | rahul | dwu: that's what she said |
| 19:04.20 | waspius_ | pumpkin0: so how do i format it? |
| 19:04.23 | cahoot | Fly-man-: all 16k? |
| 19:04.25 | waspius_ | or reformat it |
| 19:04.38 | dwu | rahul: She who? |
| 19:04.52 | Fly-man- | cahoot, how do I display all the packages that I have installed ? |
| 19:04.57 | mentor | We should really set up a bot for this] |
| 19:05.04 | dwu | dpkg -l, methinks. |
| 19:05.07 | cahoot | Fly-man-: dpkg -l IIRC |
| 19:05.08 | rahul | dwu: a lady never asks. a gentleman never tells. |
| 19:05.15 | wols | mentor: why? don't bans stay? |
| 19:05.17 | dwu | rahul: And I am neither. |
| 19:05.22 | somian[0] | waspius: pumpkin0 is going to buy you a new player when it turns out that your player requires some specific proprietary data or directory setup ;-P |
| 19:05.25 | wols | Fly-man-: dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 19:05.32 | pumpkin0 | waspius: install the DOS-tools and use them. No idea how to use them, never needed FAT16/32 for year .. |
| 19:05.42 | somian[0] | o_O |
| 19:05.46 | mentor | wols: Yeah, but we whack one and another one pops up |
| 19:05.55 | mentor | wols: They're on zombies, presumably |
| 19:06.06 | wols | yes, but how would a bot detect them? |
| 19:06.07 | somian[0] | Good lord, free IRC advice is exactly worth what we're paying for it! This is a shock. |
| 19:06.17 | xingu | waspius: mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/whatever |
| 19:06.23 | Fly-man- | wols, thanx |
| 19:06.24 | pumpkin0 | somian[0]: ? |
| 19:06.24 | mentor | wols: It would occasionally join the channel :) |
| 19:06.27 | rahul | dwu: cool, then you'd fit right in with my friends ;) |
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| 19:06.38 | Fly-man- | now to find a manual for proftpd for setting virtual domains |
| 19:06.41 | waspius_ | xingu: thank |
| 19:06.44 | waspius_ | u |
| 19:06.45 | madclicker | is there a reason why tsql is not included with tdsodbc package on etch? |
| 19:06.45 | Nosferatu | u |
| 19:06.48 | dwu | rahul: er, yeah, sure, I guess. You have a lot of butch female friends? |
| 19:06.54 | rahul | heh |
| 19:07.07 | rahul | dwu: you don't have to be butch to not be a lady |
| 19:07.31 | wols | mentor: I join the channel at least once a day (24h disconnect). nevre see a spammer |
| 19:07.43 | dwu | ... OK, this is too much like the random crap I went through the first month I came on, it's totally offtopic, back to Debian. |
| 19:07.55 | mentor | wols: I'll take that as a compliment |
| 19:08.01 | wols | :) |
| 19:08.06 | azeem | wols: you're identified |
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| 19:08.08 | dwu | mentor: But to whom? :) |
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| 19:08.15 | bolt-work | wols: Free penile extensions! Tie your member to a bus! This is not spam! |
| 19:08.22 | wols | azeem: automatically |
| 19:08.33 | azeem | wols: so you don't get privsmgs from unidentified spammers |
| 19:08.47 | wols | ah |
| 19:08.50 | pumpkin0 | wols: it's build into the freenode irc servers. |
| 19:08.57 | mentor | dwu: Oh hai. I is in ur network, banning ur spambots. |
| 19:09.09 | dwu | mentor: lolops, win you :) |
| 19:09.22 | mentor | azeem: Presumably he's also umode -6? |
| 19:09.28 | mentor | +6 |
| 19:09.30 | mentor | ? |
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| 19:11.23 | mutantpineapple | any lenny users having trouble with sauerbraten after the recent upgrade? |
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| 19:12.24 | mentor | mutantpineapple: Check bugs.debian.org too |
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| 19:13.31 | adampal | Anyone used pamusb? It's for usb key authentication via pam. It uses hHAL to find connected usb storage devices.. it doesnt seem to see my device though when I try and add it even though lsusb and hal-device does |
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| 19:14.35 | ma3x | what was that thing called - atitvout? why cant i find it? |
| 19:14.57 | ma3x | mutantpineapple, what video card/driver? |
| 19:15.10 | mentor | !search /atitv |
| 19:15.16 | mentor | !find /atitv |
| 19:15.19 | mentor | !lose me |
| 19:15.19 | dpkg | mentor: You Lose. |
| 19:15.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/atitv' (2): (/usr/bin/atitv) in misc/gatos ;; (/usr/sbin/atitvout, /usr/share/doc/atitvout/examples/test.sh, /usr/share/doc/atitvout/{HARDWARE|README.gz|changelog.Debian.gz|...}) in misc/atitvout. |
| 19:15.37 | mentor | !tell ma3x about search |
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| 19:15.57 | mutantpineapple | ma3x: latest nvidia driver, i have a 6200 |
| 19:15.57 | ma3x | apt-cache search atitv finds nothing |
| 19:16.00 | nite613_ | I've got a silly problem that's been bugging me for awhile. When I set ICEWEASEL_DSP=esd, iceweasel won't run because the script actually runs esd and I get "esd: Esound sound daemon already running or stale UNIX socket" |
| 19:16.16 | nite613_ | Am I doing something wrong? |
| 19:16.22 | azeem | nite613_: what if you don't set it? |
| 19:16.29 | mentor | nite613_: esddsp? |
| 19:17.04 | cahoot | none or auto |
| 19:17.09 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: which debian ? etch, lenny, sid,.. ? |
| 19:17.14 | ma3x | mutantpineapple, no idea then. i know unstable has issues with xserver-xorg-core vs fglrx |
| 19:17.21 | ma3x | pumpkin0, sid |
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| 19:17.44 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: well... you know the factoid about sid ? |
| 19:17.50 | nite613_ | If I don't set it, I get no sound from plugins |
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| 19:18.03 | nite613_ | auto gives me ALSA errors |
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| 19:18.40 | axos88 | Hello everyone! Do you know a way to make all the output made to stderr to be colored (e.g. to be able to differentiate easier from stdout)? |
| 19:18.55 | mutantpineapple | ma3x: fair enough |
| 19:18.59 | axos88 | and I mean to make it default |
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| 19:19.19 | nite613_ | Getting ALSA errors on playback with esddsp |
| 19:19.27 | cahoot | try aoss |
| 19:19.32 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: and http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/atitvout says the problem is you your side. |
| 19:19.51 | ma3x | mutantpineapple, what trouble do you get? |
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| 19:21.06 | mutantpineapple | ma3x: "unknown command: altshader" and then a segfault |
| 19:21.28 | ma3x | mutantpineapple, try running it with the -f -t option |
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| 19:23.24 | mutantpineapple | ma3x: i get an empty window titled "sauerbraten engine" |
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| 19:24.15 | [bono] | Question: I have an embedded ftp client which im trying to make work. It works on one server and not on another (it timesout). I do not have access to logs. There is no port based filtering. Does anyone have an idea on how to troubleshoot this? |
| 19:24.55 | bolt-work | [bono]: try telnetting to the servers, first of all. are you sure the second one works, btw? |
| 19:25.03 | wols | [bono]: how is this a debian question? |
| 19:26.08 | seppuka78 | [bono]: what is the client? |
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| 19:30.12 | gpm | test: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test" |
| 19:30.12 | gpm | test-admin: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman admin test" |
| 19:30.12 | gpm | test-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces test" |
| 19:30.13 | gpm | test-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman confirm test" |
| 19:30.13 | gpm | test-join: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman join test" |
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| 19:30.28 | gpm | oops |
| 19:30.41 | bolt-work | gpm: now how about some password hashes? :) |
| 19:30.49 | gpm | bolt-work: dream on |
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| 19:31.18 | [bono] | bolt-work: they both work as i can access them through filezilla/telnet |
| 19:31.19 | xingu | gpm: and a booby trap that crossposts every $RANDOM'th article to alt.test |
| 19:31.32 | [bono] | seppuka78: its a gprs (cellular) modem |
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| 19:31.57 | gpm | xingu: article? |
| 19:32.18 | xingu | gpm: email whatever |
| 19:32.34 | xingu | fing wif words writ on |
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| 19:32.49 | gpm | omg h4x |
| 19:32.51 | gpm | no way |
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| 19:35.36 | nite613_ | Still having trouble with Iceweasel/esd . From the looks of the shellscript, setting ICEWEASEL_DSP to auto will result in it internally being set to "esddsp". The manpage says to use "esd" but that seems to be wrong. Anyways, either setting is giving me this: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 19:36.09 | nite613_ | That error seems to be from iceweasel insisting on openning the device directly. If I shut down esd and other sound sources then it all works just fine |
| 19:36.24 | nite613_ | Maybe my problem is the flash plugin itself? |
| 19:36.36 | gpm | aoss |
| 19:36.42 | gpm | that's what i use |
| 19:37.01 | nite613_ | Is iceweasel trying to do the right thing (use esd instead of direct acces) but the plugin is doing an end-run? |
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| 19:37.31 | cydork | nite613_: turn the damn esd off.. now days alsa has dmix enabled by default |
| 19:37.33 | xingu | which version of flash plugin? |
| 19:38.04 | gpm | use gnash! |
| 19:38.05 | gpm | :P |
| 19:38.51 | xingu | flash 9 is allegedly alsafied (and ancient?) |
| 19:38.54 | nite613_ | cydork: so I set my other programs to use alsa or if necesarry, the aoss wrapper, right? Is there a sound server comparable to esd that I need to run in my x session? |
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| 19:39.25 | gpm | i don't think there's any reason to run a sound daemon |
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| 19:39.34 | cydork | nite613_: you don't esd if you are using dmix (alsa) |
| 19:39.35 | gpm | unless you want those annoying sounds when you open/close windows |
| 19:39.40 | Supaplex | sound daemons are tEh suck |
| 19:39.49 | cydork | Supaplex: Amen :) |
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| 19:40.04 | jez9999 | Could someone explain to me why IPv4-compatible addresses stopped being used and IPv4-mapped addresses are used instead, when representing IPv4 in IPv6? |
| 19:40.43 | nite613_ | I configure sound so rarely that each time I do it there has been a new subsystem that has come and is already on its way out |
| 19:41.09 | xingu | jez9999: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipv6/current/msg04523.html |
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| 19:43.36 | jez9999 | xingu: i still don't understand it. |
| 19:43.37 | jez9999 | "These addresses are now deprecated |
| 19:43.37 | jez9999 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.46 | jez9999 | why does that make them deprecated? |
| 19:43.52 | jez9999 | or, why don't the mechanisms use them? |
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| 19:44.16 | nite613_ | Wow, yes, taking esd out of the equation, running alsoconf and then setting everything to use alsa totally fixed my problems |
| 19:44.27 | nite613_ | woot |
| 19:44.52 | GaiaX11 | Is there any chance that scribes will be in any debian repos? |
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| 19:46.16 | GaiaX11 | I am trying to install it (as tar.gz), but have a lot of dependency problems :-( Anyone running scribes there? |
| 19:46.32 | GaiaX11 | I am on etch |
| 19:47.16 | GaiaX11 | http://scribes.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:47.17 | Rakeleer | Can anyone tell me how to find the exact version of the php gd extension that Debian installs? gd_info says "2.0 or higher" and the .deb says 5.2.0-8+etch4; and neither of these things are useful to discover why ImageColorMatch is an undefined function... :/ |
| 19:47.43 | cahoot | Rakeleer: missing the -dev pkg? |
| 19:48.00 | Rakeleer | The function only becomes available in the -dev package? |
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| 19:50.54 | cahoot | Rakeleer: my bad - thought you were compiling and got a missing symbol |
| 19:51.18 | Rakeleer | cahoot: np, just went looking for a -dev package for php5-gd and couldn't findone. lol |
| 19:52.45 | rahul | ugh |
| 19:52.48 | rahul | xchat is crap |
| 19:52.55 | JacobH_ | GaiaX11: It's available in unstable |
| 19:53.05 | tarzeau | rahul: http://gaytest.istheshit.net/ |
| 19:53.05 | rahul | can't even set away across all servers |
| 19:53.05 | nvz | rahul: somethings go without saying |
| 19:53.27 | rahul | tarzeau: I'm in the office this week :P |
| 19:53.46 | tarzeau | rahul: it's worksafe |
| 19:53.50 | nvz | nobody cares if you are away anyhow |
| 19:53.51 | rahul | anyway... I was saying that because I was trying to set away because I'm going to be away |
| 19:54.01 | rahul | nobody cares! |
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| 19:54.22 | rahul | tarzeau: I'm sure it is.... heh |
| 19:55.03 | nvz | no, nobodycares [n=smart@ak.rapina.ee] |
| 19:55.26 | tarzeau | rahul: rly i swr! |
| 19:55.42 | Azar | ati users, good article here: The Truth About ATI/AMD & Linux http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=735 |
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| 19:56.00 | tarzeau | abrotman, abrotman: http://gaytest.istheshit.net/ |
| 19:56.01 | Azar | mister rahul! |
| 19:56.08 | GaiaX11 | JacobH_: How do I get it them? Which is the link? |
| 19:56.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://idontfuckingcarewhatyouthink.istheshit.net/ |
| 19:56.38 | Rakeleer | ARGH. strings /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/gd.so|grep -i -C6 version. "2.0 or higher" what kind of crap is this? "or higher"? WTF is the version of this thing? |
| 19:56.41 | xingu | jez9999: skimming the thread - it was agreed in the working group to deprecate it, so it's deprecated. |
| 19:56.47 | Azar | rahul: where are you going? |
| 19:56.50 | abrotman | !nopony me |
| 19:56.50 | dpkg | abrotman: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 19:57.00 | tarzeau | i knew it http://abrotman.isgay.com/ |
| 19:57.08 | jez9999 | xingu: yeah but im trying to find the rationale. generally deprecation should go hand-in-hand with obsolescence |
| 19:57.12 | jez9999 | it's not obsolete, AFAICT |
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| 19:57.36 | xingu | jez9999: it certainly is - the only use for it is 6in4 tunnels, and you can do that already with GRE |
| 19:57.43 | Azar | tarzeau: how about http://abrotman.rocks.com/ ? |
| 19:57.50 | nvz | I must be gay then cause first of all at the speed that image peeled down all you could see at first was the freaky guy in the background.. and 2nd none of those girls are hawt or naked |
| 19:57.57 | xingu | jez9999: carrying a ip6 proto type inside the ip4 header |
| 19:58.00 | jez9999 | why do they ise IPv4-mapped instead? |
| 19:58.01 | tarzeau | Azar: why can't they put that one article on one page??? |
| 19:58.08 | abrotman | how about http://abrotman.doesntca.re/ |
| 19:58.10 | JacobH_ | GaiaX11: Unless you want to change from etch to unstable the easiest would be just to get the package from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/scribes |
| 19:58.17 | Azar | tarzeau: phoronix maybe thinks is sexy that way |
| 19:58.26 | Azar | good thinks there are no commercials between pages |
| 19:58.42 | tarzeau | Azar: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/rockstone.jpg |
| 19:58.59 | JacobH_ | GaiaX11: though it is unstable so you might want to wait a few weeks till it makes it into testing |
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| 19:59.04 | jez9999 | nvz: that's the trick to get everyone to admit to being gay |
| 19:59.08 | tarzeau | Azar: and its friend: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/yousuck.jpg |
| 19:59.10 | xingu | jez9999: the other consideration, comms between AF_INET6 and AF_INET apps on dualstack hosts is already possible with -mapped. |
| 19:59.12 | jez9999 | although a few of them have nice racks |
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| 19:59.40 | xingu | jez9999: -mapped is a simpler use-case; -compatible *requires* a sit0 or similar tunnelling device |
| 19:59.45 | nvz | though if I had to choose it'd be the one in the middle with the purple top or the blond in blue at the bottom comming in 2nd more cause she's blond than cause she's not better looking |
| 19:59.57 | atealtha | yikes, anyone else here lose the use of their shift keys randomly/ |
| 19:59.58 | jez9999 | xingu: im rather a layman when it comes to ipv6, but it seems to me like the most natural way to represent an ipv4 address would be to simply reserve the first 2^32 addresses |
| 20:00.03 | jez9999 | so why use the -mapped format? |
| 20:00.08 | Azar | hehe |
| 20:00.14 | nvz | people who choose to be blond are blow actual blonds in my book |
| 20:00.25 | nvz | s/blow/below/ |
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| 20:00.54 | xingu | jez9999: because they needed to co-exist and -compatible got there first |
| 20:01.07 | GaiaX11 | JacobH_: Do you think that is there any change for it to appear in any etch repos in few weeks? :-) |
| 20:01.08 | jez9999 | you mean -mapped |
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| 20:01.23 | GaiaX11 | JacobH_: Do you think that is there any chance for it to appear in any etch repos in few weeks? :-) |
| 20:01.31 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 20:01.31 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 20:01.37 | xingu | jez9999: no, -compatible; that's how it wound up with the ::<ip4> address format. |
| 20:01.50 | jez9999 | 'got there first'? |
| 20:02.13 | JacobH_ | GaiaX11: I don't know-- I just searched for it in the package manager, I'm afraid but usually if there aren't any bugs reported it gets to transferred to testing two weeks (I think) after being added to unstable |
| 20:02.22 | xingu | jez9999: first rfc and working code |
| 20:02.34 | jez9999 | if it got there first why is is not used? |
| 20:02.41 | JacobH_ | sorry...that was barely literate |
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| 20:02.49 | xingu | jez9999: because it's unnecessarily complex to implement as I was saying |
| 20:03.07 | Azar | is xandros a debian derivative distro? |
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| 20:03.09 | byon | df: cannot read table of mounted filesystems: Input/output error |
| 20:03.12 | byon | oops. |
| 20:03.15 | tarzeau | Azar: it still exists? |
| 20:03.16 | xingu | jez9999: -compatible requires you to implement an automatic tunnelling device; -mapped is handled within the address family. |
| 20:03.21 | byon | sorry any idea how to fix that problem? |
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| 20:03.45 | Azar | tarzeau: well if you believe the news it tries to hook up with windows a la novell style |
| 20:03.54 | xingu | jez9999: -compatible is basically a layering violation and should have been taken out, beat up, and shot from the get-go |
| 20:03.55 | xingu | afk |
| 20:04.02 | unimatrix | byon: /proc is mounted? |
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| 20:04.07 | tarzeau | Azar: who cares? the most software is in debian, nowhere else |
| 20:04.16 | jez9999 | xingu: if a stack receives an ipv6 packet, surely it's easy to figure out that it's ipv4-compatible |
| 20:04.21 | Azar | hehe yep |
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| 20:04.55 | byon | unimatrix: sory if i deleted /etc/mtab what would go wrong? |
| 20:05.00 | tarzeau | Azar: and debian should hook up with GNU |
| 20:05.00 | byon | unimatrix: /proc mounted? no idea |
| 20:05.49 | Azar | tarzeau: I thought it already is |
| 20:06.07 | tarzeau | Azar: they don't love eachother yet |
| 20:06.22 | Azar | so 100% free huh? |
| 20:06.44 | Azar | man I love this: f..k you and you and you.. |
| 20:06.47 | unimatrix | byon: if proc is mounted there is /proc/mounts |
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| 20:06.50 | tarzeau | Azar: there's just too much linux distributions |
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| 20:07.10 | unimatrix | byon: then either df will use this one or cou can rebuild /etc/mtab from /proc mounts |
| 20:07.16 | byon | unimatrix: i just want to do a 'df -h' |
| 20:07.17 | tarzeau | Azar: too much work wasted in double efforts |
| 20:07.30 | tarzeau | Azar: if we could kill rpm for once and all |
| 20:07.31 | Azar | tarzeau: that's good (for Debian) meaning it preserves the lax to be what it wants be without any pressure |
| 20:07.57 | GaiaX11 | I have one dvd reader drive and one dvd recorder in my machine. The recorder is the default and apt-get/synaptic only accept the dvds if I pop them in the recorder. How do I make the dvd reader default, instead of the recorder? |
| 20:07.58 | Azar | all others take all the pressure that otherwise would be on Debian |
| 20:08.00 | byon | unimatrix: how do i do a /proc mounts? |
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| 20:08.24 | unimatrix | byon: the space is a / i.e. /proc/mounts |
| 20:08.38 | unimatrix | byon: cat it |
| 20:09.06 | Azar | tarzeau: I would say let's enjoy what Debian has and gives ... it might not be for ever |
| 20:09.06 | byon | done doing cat, and /etc/mtab is still missing |
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| 20:09.09 | wols | tarzeau: diversity of linux is not just a weakness, it's also s strength |
| 20:09.31 | wols | tarzeau: and I really don't want a 100% linux marketshare to rule them all like windows does now |
| 20:09.42 | byon | oh yes /proc is mounted |
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| 20:11.01 | wols | Azar: debian is for vaious reasons one of the best distros set up for survival |
| 20:11.01 | tarzeau | wols: fedora, redhat? scientific linux? |
| 20:11.01 | tarzeau | wols: diversity makes developers life hard |
| 20:11.02 | byon | df: cannot read table of mounted filesystems: No such file or directory |
| 20:11.02 | wols | tarzeau: fedora is rh |
| 20:11.02 | wols | tarzeau: it also weeds out bugs and gives your robust code |
| 20:11.02 | unimatrix | byon: ok. strings /bin/df | less shows the string /etc/mtab. so df seems to depend on it. try cat /proc/mounts > /etc/mtab |
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| 20:11.27 | byon | ah |
| 20:11.35 | tarzeau | wols: suse/opensuse? |
| 20:11.50 | tarzeau | wols: no, i don't like so much diversity... gentoo and even some more |
| 20:11.52 | wols | tarzeau: for linux to thrive it needs an ecosystem. a debian monoculte is no eco system, even when debian is the most varied distro with all its platforms |
| 20:12.02 | byon | let me find a paster |
| 20:12.05 | tarzeau | wols: i agree, but too much is too much |
| 20:12.17 | wols | tarzeau: again, you talk about a single distro. opensuse is suse. you can compare these things to sid/stable at most |
| 20:12.29 | tarzeau | wols: it's a reason for developers to say, i don't support linux, because it's too much work for me |
| 20:13.00 | tarzeau | wols: you can't exactly upgrade from suse to opensuse (or other way?). or redhat to fedora (or other way) |
| 20:13.00 | byon | http://paste.debian.net/29632 |
| 20:13.07 | ben_goodger | tarzeau: that's a big hunk of bullshit. it's no work at all to port something to linux, because the community does it for you |
| 20:13.09 | wols | tarzeau: that's irrelevant. a developer who doesn't want to support linux always finds a reason |
| 20:13.17 | byon | it does look weird compared to my other servers |
| 20:13.18 | tarzeau | wols: ok ack |
| 20:13.36 | byon | that shows /dev/sda1 && other disks |
| 20:13.37 | wols | tarzeau: just proves they are inferior distros. born out of economic greed imho |
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| 20:14.01 | unimatrix | byon: what's weird? |
| 20:14.06 | Azar | tarzeau: diversity helps in in a non-seen ways and in the long term.. |
| 20:14.09 | byon | if you see the url i just pasted |
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| 20:14.13 | kevinl-- | anyone ever made a custom debian installer cd? im looking for recommendations on the best package/approach. |
| 20:14.15 | tarzeau | ben_goodger: hm, you want to port a dos game to linux (mr.boom)? |
| 20:14.16 | byon | it showws /dev/root instead of /dev/sda1 |
| 20:14.23 | byon | rootfs? |
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| 20:14.30 | wols | tarzeau: and if fedora or opensuse devs and users want to help the bottomline of rh and novell: theoir choice |
| 20:14.37 | wols | !customcd |
| 20:14.37 | ben_goodger | tarzeau: no, but I'm not its developer, and it's proprietary so it's the developers' problem |
| 20:14.42 | wols | !custom cd |
| 20:14.42 | dpkg | somebody said custom cd was So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian |
| 20:14.51 | tarzeau | ben_goodger: it's not proprietary, there's the source |
| 20:14.59 | tarzeau | ben_goodger: it's just not that the community does it |
| 20:15.02 | ben_goodger | oh, I see. |
| 20:15.03 | unimatrix | byon: should be ok to brin the system down cleanly... if it bothers you too much, edit it... |
| 20:15.07 | tarzeau | ben_goodger: it's often just individuals that care about something that do |
| 20:15.23 | unimatrix | byon: wenn the system comes up again, /etc/mtab will be rebuilt |
| 20:15.36 | sping | hello! I'm having trouble with creating a debian package, is this the place to ask for help? |
| 20:15.37 | alleyoopster | hi everyone, just setting up an NFS server. Installed nfs-common, setup exports, allow, deny and restarted. but rpcinfo -p is not showing any NFS activity, What have I missed? |
| 20:16.16 | Azar | byon: try less /etc/fstab |
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| 20:17.06 | byon | ah! |
| 20:17.17 | byon | this is alrgiht then |
| 20:17.22 | byon | thanks unimatrix, Azar |
| 20:17.23 | byon | lovely. |
| 20:17.31 | Azar | hugs |
| 20:17.44 | unimatrix | :-) |
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| 20:18.06 | xingu | jez9999: neither type is ever seen on-wire; it's a sop for the host-stack only. |
| 20:18.39 | alleyoopster | or should I just go with SSH for 2 linux boxes? |
| 20:19.06 | xingu | jez9999: both turn into ip4 packets before encapsulation; -mapped, earlier in the game |
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| 20:20.45 | Azar | tarzeau: I have seen/read/listen to many people who have tried several linux distros before coming (and staying with) debian. Which shows debian is a winner, the only danger to debian is... to convince all these new users to respect and preserve the Debian stance on free software. Not to push and pressure for the integration of commercial and proprietary softwared: we don't want "eulas" |
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| 20:21.21 | wols | Azar: the users don't matter in that case |
| 20:21.25 | wols | only the DDs do |
| 20:22.09 | tarzeau | Azar: and they could've all saved a lot of time if there wasn't the big way around debian, no? |
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| 20:22.09 | wols | we users haev no say in debian |
| 20:22.09 | ben_goodger | the users are the developers |
| 20:22.09 | Azar | wols: sometimes yes, the politics allways change colors and the mob prevails |
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| 20:22.09 | ikke_ | where does debian store the proxy servers ? |
| 20:22.17 | Insolit | what's the command that list the mounted devices and their free space? |
| 20:22.20 | wols | ben_goodger: no. there are millions of users but only around 1000 DDs |
| 20:22.32 | unimatrix | Insolit: df -Th |
| 20:22.33 | wols | Insolit: df |
| 20:22.37 | wols | ikke_: for what? |
| 20:22.37 | Insolit | yes |
| 20:22.37 | dfa001 | Insolit: df |
| 20:22.39 | Insolit | thanks |
| 20:22.41 | Azar | tarzeau: but where will Debian shine better than after tasting stuff before it? how will sunny weather be more appreciated if there were no clouds? |
| 20:22.48 | Insolit | i suddenly forgot it :| |
| 20:22.55 | ben_goodger | wols: anyone can submit a bug, anyone can contribute |
| 20:22.57 | tarzeau | Azar: you're so right |
| 20:23.10 | ikke_ | wols, cause I can't connect to servers in quake3 and xqf can't access the ID master server and I think the proxy might be messing with this |
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| 20:23.13 | wols | ben_goodger: bunt only DDs decide what goes in |
| 20:23.24 | ben_goodger | wols: become a DD, then you get to decide |
| 20:23.31 | Azar | tarzeau: my grandmother had a very good saying: in order to enjoy the cake you gotta eat a lot of shit before |
| 20:23.35 | wols | ikke_: why would quake use a proxy? |
| 20:23.36 | tarzeau | wols: not really, no |
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| 20:24.08 | wols | tarzeau: they have the last word (or the ftp master) |
| 20:24.08 | tarzeau | Azar: heh, how true |
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| 20:24.11 | ikke_ | wols, well I really wouldn't know what else the problem could be... warsow can't connect either and xqf only shows servers from http masters :/ |
| 20:24.16 | tarzeau | wols: it's not like ONE DD can say, no i don't want the other guys package in debian |
| 20:24.18 | wols | and of course stuff might creep in that is not DFSG compliant. but then it will be thrown out again |
| 20:24.24 | Azar | wols: I surely hope the rule will last in the long run |
| 20:24.33 | tarzeau | wols: so if you get a sponsor for the package, and it's correct. not much can stop it |
| 20:24.34 | wols | tarzeau: I always said "DDs". not DD |
| 20:24.43 | tarzeau | wols: know of any such case? |
| 20:24.52 | tarzeau | wols: where a DD stopped any package from going into debian? |
| 20:24.58 | wols | Azar: imho it's a better bet than a public corp which must look at the botoom line by law |
| 20:25.03 | tarzeau | wols: i mean considering it's suitable for debian |
| 20:25.12 | wols | tarzeau: not a DD, but DDs |
| 20:25.17 | tarzeau | wols: which package? |
| 20:25.26 | Azar | the DD congress vote |
| 20:25.48 | wols | I didn't say anyont would stop anything particular. we are taking about the core values of debian which we hope will be preserved forever |
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| 20:26.22 | wols | ikke_: use a network sniffer |
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| 20:26.51 | wols | ikke_: and make sure there is nothing in your iptables |
| 20:27.08 | ikke_ | wols, iptables is empty anyway |
| 20:27.23 | wols | ikke_: policy ALLOW everywhere? |
| 20:27.24 | ikke_ | wols, but it's on a fresh etch install :( |
| 20:27.33 | ikke_ | wols, policy is ACCEPT everywhere |
| 20:27.40 | wols | debian has no proxy unless you set one up |
| 20:27.58 | ikke_ | wols, well, I might have accidently done that during install so I was looking for it to remove that |
| 20:28.17 | wols | the only thing I could think of that it would set is apt proxy |
| 20:28.24 | tarzeau | wols: DD MY ASS http://www.ndcontent.com/hm/images/dd.jpg |
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| 20:28.36 | |fluxdude| | what do you guys use to watch the power meter on your laptop? |
| 20:28.39 | ikke_ | wols, what about a http_proxy interfering ? |
| 20:28.49 | wols | tarzeau: I'd vote for her as DPL _ANY_ day! |
| 20:29.05 | wols | ikke_: I doubt it |
| 20:29.13 | wols | games don't use http |
| 20:29.18 | maddash | |fluxdude|: `watch cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state` |
| 20:29.28 | ikke_ | wols, well it's weird, I can play armagetron but no fps'es |
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| 20:29.42 | wols | anordby: of course it would be better she had a pony tattoo :) |
| 20:29.47 | |fluxdude| | maddash: thanks, but I was looking for a small applet to convert the mA stuff to time... |
| 20:29.56 | maddash | wols: who has a pony tattoo? |
| 20:29.58 | wols | ikke_: wireshark |
| 20:30.08 | maddash | |fluxdude|: `watch acpi -V` |
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| 20:30.36 | tarzeau | maddash: abrotman: http://z.about.com/d/tattoo/1/0/R/s/121804b.jpg |
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| 20:31.24 | tarzeau | maddash: and this is wols' farm http://www.ponyworld.altervista.org/immagini2/my%20little%20pony.jpg |
| 20:31.43 | |fluxdude| | maddash: ah, thanks, that's pretty handy... |
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| 20:32.36 | ikke_ | wols, well on wireshark I notice udp packages are getting through to xqf from those servers |
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| 20:33.01 | maddash | tarzeau: is that you? |
| 20:33.07 | tarzeau | maddash: no way! |
| 20:33.54 | ikke_ | wols, I do see a lot of udp packets in red font on a black background and some other black on light blue |
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| 20:37.03 | ikke_ | wols, I seem to get a lot of incorrect checksum udp packets |
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| 20:39.56 | DoktorTomoe | I am running apache2 on a debian etch box. I tried installing libapache2-mod-python, which worked without a visible problem. however, a2enmod mod_python fails, and there is no clue of mod_python in /etc/apache2/mods-availible. Any suggestions on what to do? |
| 20:40.04 | DoktorTomoe | (I need mod_python for trac) |
| 20:40.36 | x_link | Where can I read/see for how many days KDE 3.5.6 has been in Debian Sid? |
| 20:41.55 | tarzeau | x_link: changelogs.debian.net/PACKAGE |
| 20:42.16 | x_link | Somebody here told me that when KDE 3.5.6 has been in Sid for 10 days without problems it will continue to Debian Testing. But hasn't it been over 10 days yet? |
| 20:42.17 | tarzeau | x_link: then find the version and count them until today |
| 20:42.24 | x_link | tarzeau: OKej |
| 20:42.31 | tarzeau | !why is kde not in testing |
| 20:42.32 | dpkg | kde is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kde |
| 20:42.36 | cydork | x_link: check the qa page for the package |
| 20:43.05 | x_link | tarzeau: http://changelogs.debian.net/KDE Like that? |
| 20:43.10 | x_link | cydork: qa? |
| 20:43.18 | tarzeau | x_link: no, debian package names never have capital letters |
| 20:43.19 | poncha | is there a bug that i fail to lookup through bts in mysql-server on etch ? it fails to install from apt.. crashes on configure |
| 20:43.29 | x_link | tarzeau: OKej |
| 20:43.30 | cydork | x_link: check the link dpkg just pasted. |
| 20:43.31 | tarzeau | x_link: i picked PACKAGE to make it clear you need to insert the RIGHT package name |
| 20:43.37 | tarzeau | x_link: which kde probably is NOT |
| 20:43.47 | Azar | the apt/aptiture rival is out and heck my xpdf does not work so I can see the compairson: OPIUM http://www.osnews.com/story.php/18021/OPIUM-Optimal-Package-InstallUninstall-Manager/ |
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| 20:43.49 | tarzeau | maybe i should use pink mirc colors and blink |
| 20:44.02 | poncha | mysql-server-5.0 that is |
| 20:44.05 | ikke_ | I keep getting incorrect checksums on outgoing UDP packets. Borked network driver ? |
| 20:44.30 | DoktorTomoe | hm, noone using libapache2-mod-python in here? |
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| 20:45.07 | x_link | cydork: I didn't understand much from that link,. |
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| 20:45.34 | Azar | DoktorTomoe: try searching for it with: apt-cache search mod_python |
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| 20:45.58 | Azar | if you see it on the list, then : aptitude install <exact package name> |
| 20:46.00 | cydork | x_link: find out which package you are really interested in. |
| 20:46.00 | axos88 | what package do I have to install to use the "make xconfig"? it says it cannot find QT installed |
| 20:46.01 | DoktorTomoe | Azar: I know the package is called libapache2-mod-python. this seems broken, however |
| 20:46.16 | axos88 | i tried libqt, but it still displays the msg |
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| 20:46.23 | x_link | cydork: I'm trying to find out what the real packagename for KDE is. |
| 20:46.29 | Azar | DoktorTomoe: well, that all I could suggest, I do not use appache |
| 20:46.35 | x_link | cydork: That's the package I'm interested in. |
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| 20:48.14 | Azar | DoktorTomoe: thre might be several factors: your debian version(and its repository), application version, bug status, new version...etc |
| 20:48.50 | Spec | Anyone know of a good debian virtual server hosting company that has decent prices? |
| 20:49.06 | ben_goodger | there's flashtek.. |
| 20:49.34 | cydork | x_link: check http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdebase.html thought i am not sure if this is what you want. |
| 20:49.56 | maek | is there a reason rar is not in aptitude? |
| 20:50.04 | ben_goodger | maek: it's non-free |
| 20:50.07 | ben_goodger | afaik.. |
| 20:50.26 | x_link | kdebase, right =) |
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| 20:50.37 | Azar | maek: aptitude does not contain packages, is the one who transports packages from the repository to your box , unpkacs and installs them |
| 20:50.46 | maek | ben_goodger: so the unrar-free is just incase you need to unrar but debian does not condone make rar's? thanks also. |
| 20:50.51 | x_link | cydork: What I want? I want to see when KDE 3.5.6 will be in Debian Testing, or even KDE 4 |
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| 20:51.08 | maek | Azar: sorry. any reason why the main debian repos doesnt have rar is what I should have said. |
| 20:51.23 | ben_goodger | being in non-free does not mean that debian doesn't approve it, it means they can't improve it |
| 20:51.34 | cydork | x_link: kde 4 not relesed yet afaik!! |
| 20:51.52 | Braindead | maek: because rar is shareware and proprietary. as simple as that |
| 20:51.52 | maek | ben_goodger: thanks |
| 20:51.59 | Azar | maek: modify the tarkget on your /etc/apt/sources.list by adding at the end non-free contrib as in deb http://blablabla..blabla../ main non-free contrib. Then aptitude update, aptitude upgrade |
| 20:52.01 | x_link | cydork: Okej, but KDE 3.5.6 is most relevant for me right now. |
| 20:52.07 | Braindead | maek: aptitude search ~nrar ,anyway |
| 20:52.16 | x_link | cydork: That site is a bit hard to understand =) |
| 20:52.21 | x_link | But I will give it some time. |
| 20:52.23 | cydork | x_link: check this http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdebase |
| 20:52.29 | x_link | Thanks alot for helping me |
| 20:52.31 | cydork | x_link: which doesn't look too good :) |
| 20:52.33 | x_link | cydork: Okej, I will look now |
| 20:52.35 | maek | Braindead: ok, thank you. thats what I was looking for and only unrar-free shows up. |
| 20:52.38 | maek | Azar: thanks |
| 20:53.00 | Braindead | maek: "rar" is also in non-free |
| 20:53.01 | x_link | cydork: I don't understand anything of that =) |
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| 20:53.27 | Braindead | maek: http://packages.debian.org/rar (and give 7zip a try) |
| 20:53.35 | eisen | 7zip can extract rar |
| 20:53.37 | cydork | x_link: well it has lot of dependencies, so your answer is "When its ready!" |
| 20:53.52 | Braindead | eisen: and it's a very good compressor |
| 20:53.53 | Azar | is 7zip working on linux? |
| 20:54.01 | maek | Braindead: thanks. |
| 20:54.09 | Braindead | the only reason to use rar is for WAREZ handling |
| 20:54.17 | x_link | cydork: Okej. Thanks alot man, I really appreicate that you helped me ;D |
| 20:54.41 | Braindead | Azar: yes, it works indeed |
| 20:54.43 | funkmaster | hi guys, how can i find out which /dev/... my ltp1 port is on? |
| 20:55.37 | Spec | funkmaster: what's your problem? |
| 20:56.01 | funkmaster | just want to know which /dev/tySS my ltp1 is on |
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| 20:56.19 | rgouveia_ | gdm starts automatically on my system, how can I disable it? if I need x, I'll type startx. |
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| 20:56.52 | Spec | rgouveia_: update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 20:56.54 | chops | rgouveia_: apt-get remove gdm |
| 20:57.37 | rgouveia_ | I'll try Spec first :-) |
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| 20:57.57 | Spec | i don't know, we both used the word 'remove' |
| 20:58.01 | Spec | i bet both would work :) |
| 20:58.34 | rgouveia_ | I guess so |
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| 20:59.11 | Azar | oh my god! hahaha.. sorry o/t but very funny: Philippe Gildas registered the trademark Vista in the autumn of 2003, with the mark covering a number of media aimed at the older sort of citizen. ... oh my god! |
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| 21:00.14 | Azar | hmmm are the toynames of Debian versions trademarked as well? |
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| 21:00.53 | GaiaX11 | I want to install new locales in my system. So which is the actual default? UTF or ISO? |
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| 21:01.47 | rgouveia_ | Spec, chops: thanks ... the update-rc.d worked fine :-) |
| 21:01.58 | smacnay | anyone here use Ekiga and willing to allow me to call them and test my setup? |
| 21:02.15 | sm-afk | my system is using no swap, even when memory fills up and it grinds to a halt. I've increased /proc/sys/vm/swappiness from 60 to 100, with no effect. There is an entry in fstab. What could cause this ? |
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| 21:05.07 | Azar | hmm the way I recall I allways go with swap and if asked I assign a 25% of my HD |
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| 21:06.04 | Azar | as I am not such a heavy user of my space drive or server stuff.. I could only go with 15% |
| 21:07.05 | Azar | sm-afk: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3202 fyi only |
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| 21:08.23 | PaSurf | Any recommendation on installing and running a virtual machine on etch? |
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| 21:08.49 | tarzeau | PaSurf: qemu, virtaulbox? |
| 21:09.50 | PaSurf | ? sounds good to me. Will check them out. Any one better or at least easier to set up and maintain than the other? |
| 21:10.17 | tarzeau | Azar: oom and aircrafts come to mind: http://lwn.net/Articles/104179/ |
| 21:10.33 | sm-afk | thx.. I want to get it working |
| 21:11.39 | rgsteele | Anybody familiar/had success with the Etch version of CUPS? I've got an HP 3600n that I'm trying to print to via a JetDirect socket connection, but I'm not having much luck... my logs just give me: D [04/Jun/2007:16:49:57 -0400] cupsdSendError: 12 code=304 (Not Modified) |
| 21:12.01 | rahul | what an arse |
| 21:12.09 | Azar | mister rahul.. |
| 21:12.10 | rgsteele | The printer's just sitting solo, with an IP from DHCP |
| 21:12.11 | Azar | please.. |
| 21:12.21 | Azar | tarzeau: hahaha |
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| 21:14.01 | rahul | somebody said something to me in here, and I can't get it back because xchat is an arse |
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| 21:15.25 | tarzeau | Azar: http://other_means_of_payment.istheshit.net/ |
| 21:15.37 | rahul | where are logs for this channel again? |
| 21:15.48 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 21:15.48 | dpkg | i heard debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 21:16.44 | maddash | !sussudio |
| 21:16.44 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass, maddash! |
| 21:16.47 | maddash | ^^ wtf? |
| 21:17.05 | tarzeau | LOL |
| 21:17.12 | cydork | heheh |
| 21:17.13 | rahul | !irc logs |
| 21:17.13 | tarzeau | BENDER |
| 21:17.17 | N1ckR | heh! |
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| 21:17.41 | maddash | dpkg: you suck |
| 21:17.42 | dpkg | Dream on, maddash. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 21:18.15 | N1ckR | why is it whenever I am on here, there is someone trying to chat the bot up ? |
| 21:18.44 | maddash | N1ckR: don't flatter yourself |
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| 21:19.41 | N1ckR | dpkg is more intelligent than my old boss tho ! |
| 21:21.08 | Azar | tarzeau hahaha |
| 21:21.32 | Azar | rahul you have me on your xchat ignore |
| 21:21.57 | tarzeau | rahul: why use xchat if it sucks? |
| 21:22.05 | rahul | !penixstrike Azar |
| 21:22.06 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Azar to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:22.12 | Azar | :) hehe |
| 21:22.13 | rahul | tarzeau: because that's what these stupid computers have |
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| 21:22.26 | rahul | fedora 3 or something horrible, too |
| 21:22.56 | maddash | rahul: these sound like work computers...they allow you to chat on the job? |
| 21:22.57 | tarzeau | rahul: yuck |
| 21:23.01 | tarzeau | rahul: can you get root? |
| 21:23.05 | rahul | tarzeau: no : |
| 21:23.08 | rahul | \ |
| 21:23.11 | rahul | wtf |
| 21:23.11 | tarzeau | rahul: try harder |
| 21:23.20 | rahul | the backslash is below enter |
| 21:23.34 | rahul | maddash: the company has an irc server, too |
| 21:23.48 | ben_goodger | rahul: that's the forward slash |
| 21:23.49 | maddash | rahul: which Company is this? |
| 21:23.59 | tarzeau | maddash: we also have that |
| 21:24.00 | rahul | and we're actually encouraged to be on freenode :) |
| 21:24.07 | tarzeau | irc server (public) and work channels |
| 21:24.11 | rahul | maddash: ITA software |
| 21:24.15 | tarzeau | rahul: neat. www.playboy.com ? |
| 21:24.28 | rahul | ben_goodger: no, that's on the other side of the shift key |
| 21:24.29 | rahul | heh |
| 21:25.32 | maddash | rahul: i find it hard to believe that a company founded by csail would permit frivolty like irc... |
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| 21:26.29 | maddash | s/permit/encourage/ |
| 21:26.40 | rahul | eh? |
| 21:26.46 | rahul | why not? |
| 21:27.21 | rahul | they want a corporate presence to be projected to potential employees |
| 21:27.32 | rahul | makes total sense... |
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| 21:30.19 | dani | buona sera ragazzi |
| 21:30.30 | Manuel__ | !it |
| 21:30.30 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 21:30.32 | dani | qualche italiano? |
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| 21:33.49 | maddash | dream on... |
| 21:34.24 | x_link | Is there any programs for Linux that shows yout VCore etc.? |
| 21:34.32 | maddash | are* |
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| 21:35.11 | eisen | lm-sensors |
| 21:35.50 | Insolit | anyone here plays world of warcraft with wine? |
| 21:35.58 | x_link | eisen: OKej |
| 21:36.29 | eisen | x_link: there are plenty of applets who show the data from lm-sensors graphically |
| 21:37.13 | eisen | you probably have one installed already with your desktop environment |
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| 21:39.25 | tarzeau | Insolit: i play www.sauerbraten.org |
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| 21:39.40 | daemoen | ok... im quite curious, isnt xandros the corporate entitity behind debian? |
| 21:40.06 | rahul | who is xandros? |
| 21:40.13 | xand | my ros! |
| 21:40.23 | ben_goodger | no... |
| 21:40.26 | xand | yes |
| 21:40.37 | ben_goodger | xandros (now owned by microvell) is the corporate entity behind much of gnome |
| 21:40.41 | rahul | I'll show you what I'll do to your ros |
| 21:40.44 | ben_goodger | or is it... |
| 21:40.50 | wols | daemoen: there is no corp behind debina |
| 21:40.59 | xand | ben_goodger: you mean ximian? |
| 21:40.59 | wols | ben_goodger: no |
| 21:41.04 | ben_goodger | oh, no, that was ximian. |
| 21:41.07 | xand | !xandros |
| 21:41.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, xandros is a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
| 21:41.55 | Insolit | tarzeau: i've seen that game before |
| 21:41.55 | ben_goodger | my mistake. xandros is a shite fork |
| 21:41.55 | Insolit | that's a linux game so you probably have no problems running it |
| 21:41.56 | wols | ben_goodger: ximian was bought by novell btw |
| 21:41.56 | tarzeau | Insolit: it also runs on os x and windows |
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| 21:41.58 | tarzeau | but do you know "Bus Shelter Destroyer"? http://gamezx.istheshit.net/ |
| 21:42.04 | ben_goodger | wols: I already said "now owned by microvell" |
| 21:42.16 | ben_goodger | I just got the name wrong |
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| 21:43.58 | Insolit | tarzeau: no |
| 21:45.11 | Azar | blasphemy! hahaha < daemoen> ok... im quite curious, isnt xandros the corporate entitity behind debian? |
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| 21:45.33 | Azar | tarzeau: you should have give daemoen that link to wretch article |
| 21:45.35 | N1ckR | LOL ! |
| 21:45.36 | maddash | wtf is 'microvell'? sounds stupid |
| 21:45.41 | mrsn0 | xandros used to be corel linux? |
| 21:45.43 | daemoen | debian has a NYSE thing |
| 21:45.45 | xand | Azar: stop hilighting me! :'( |
| 21:45.56 | Azar | hehe |
| 21:46.06 | daemoen | what company is it that provides the NYSE tradability for debian? |
| 21:46.15 | ben_goodger | maddash: the corp created by microsoft buying novell |
| 21:46.26 | xand | MS didn't buy novell |
| 21:46.29 | ben_goodger | daemoen: please stop the aimless trolling |
| 21:46.41 | N1ckR | I found a good use for a mac ---> http://beer_server.istheshit.net/ |
| 21:46.57 | daemoen | im not trolling ben. I am 100% against the microsoft partnerships, and am making sure to update my list of linuxes that i will in no way shape or form support. |
| 21:46.57 | tarzeau | daemoen: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/27/1211211 |
| 21:47.03 | Azar | haaahahaha man, one after another .. too funny |
| 21:47.13 | daemoen | Before I remove debian, I would like to make sure that i am removing the proper ones. |
| 21:47.28 | Azar | :) |
| 21:47.28 | endra | Morning you dirty girls |
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| 21:47.31 | endra | !ndiswrapper |
| 21:47.31 | dpkg | it has been said that ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 21:47.48 | xand | daemoen: wtf are you talking about? |
| 21:47.51 | xand | daemoen: xandros has nothing to do with debian whatsoever |
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| 21:48.03 | endra | Okay. |
| 21:48.06 | endra | Here is my dilema. |
| 21:48.15 | daemoen | xand, a while ago wols was seen in the fedora room arguing about debian having a commercial entity. I want to verify that entity. |
| 21:48.15 | daemoen | this was probably... 2 weeks ago now |
| 21:48.18 | endra | Dilemma. |
| 21:48.21 | Azar | daemoen: debian is only one which has three versions: stable(etch), testing(lenny) and unstable(sid). That is the only Debian you will ever know any other names are NOT Debian |
| 21:48.42 | endra | Last time when I installed debian, rt2x00 drivers did not work so well. They wouldn't connect. Ndiswrapper worked just fine. |
| 21:48.54 | endra | Should I try rt2x00 again? I can't remove them if I do |
| 21:48.59 | Azar | daemoen: some linux distributions are "derived" or "forks" of Debian but they are NOT Debian |
| 21:49.00 | Kevin` | Azar sarge, potato, .. |
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| 21:49.05 | N1ckR | Tarzeau "You can generally recognize a Debain user if you see one, as they customarily wear bright colors, have waist-length beards, and tend to sport pastel eyepatches and/or crack pipes" :D |
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| 21:49.29 | Azar | Kevin`: new users will never know or need to know the older versions: they will never be used |
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| 21:50.06 | ben_goodger | daemoen: go eliminate canonical then |
| 21:50.18 | daemoen | canonical? |
| 21:50.21 | Azar | daemoen: there are also commercial linux distributions, not bad at all, only they are "commercial". |
| 21:50.35 | ben_goodger | daemoen: www.ubuntu.com |
| 21:50.51 | daemoen | Azar: I am well aware of that. I use one of them. I have used RedHat for years. |
| 21:50.53 | daemoen | As well as debian. |
| 21:51.09 | PaSurf | Setting up Samba with Debian. I have had problems in the past where the samba server starts giving out DHCP addresses and everything starts trying to talk to it. Looking around it looks like some of the docs are from some time ago. Are there more recent docs for Samba and Etch? |
| 21:51.23 | daemoen | I just dont normally come in here because i feel like a fool for not having as much knowledge about the packages and repositories for debian because i chose redhat long ago. |
| 21:51.37 | PaSurf | Seems easy enough to install, but I guess I should be asking the Samba room (If there is one...) |
| 21:51.55 | rahul | daemoen: you also have zero knowledge of what debian is |
| 21:52.05 | xand | daemoen: the "parent company" of debian is http://www.spi-inc.org/ |
| 21:52.06 | rahul | or linux, or open source software |
| 21:52.27 | daemoen | rahul, i am going strictly from an observed conversation in fedora. On the contrary, i am fully aware of what linux, and open source AND free software is. |
| 21:52.29 | tarzeau | please, most of debian is free software, not open source software |
| 21:52.37 | Azar | daemoen: you will get used to. for example because of misleading ads, ubuntu allways prides to say it is a debian distro, and people think that ubuntu is debian. wich is NOT. It is pure and simple: Ubuntu |
| 21:52.39 | daemoen | morons that try to assume what other people know are just that, morons. |
| 21:52.42 | xand | tarzeau: it's not open source? |
| 21:52.46 | tarzeau | xand: no |
| 21:52.49 | tarzeau | xand: it's free software |
| 21:52.50 | xand | tarzeau: how isn't it? |
| 21:53.00 | ben_goodger | it is also open source |
| 21:53.05 | Azar | nope is free |
| 21:53.09 | xand | I wasn't aware there was closed source software in linux |
| 21:53.10 | xand | erm |
| 21:53.11 | xand | debian |
| 21:53.13 | rahul | daemoen: morons that pretend to know things they do not are worse than morons. |
| 21:53.22 | Azar | open source makes compromises with non-free which debian does not |
| 21:53.24 | tarzeau | xand: free software always comes with source |
| 21:53.33 | tarzeau | opens source software doesn't always give you any rights |
| 21:53.41 | endra | !rt2500 |
| 21:53.44 | endra | !rt2x00 |
| 21:53.48 | daemoen | rahul, you have spoken with me how much? then shut the hell up. |
| 21:53.51 | endra | Can I search it's commands? |
| 21:53.57 | rahul | daemoen: enough to know you are a tool. |
| 21:54.04 | tarzeau | xand: go read the details at www.gnu.org |
| 21:54.05 | xand | tarzeau: "free" and "Open source" have multiple meanings |
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| 21:54.19 | Azar | daemoen: don't take rahul seriously , he has a strange way of joking |
| 21:54.21 | tarzeau | xand: but it's Free Software as in http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html |
| 21:54.24 | tarzeau | xand: not just free |
| 21:54.37 | tarzeau | xand: and open has multiple meanings too |
| 21:54.48 | tarzeau | xand: but free software is clearly defined at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html |
| 21:54.49 | N1ckR | http://www.freebeer.org |
| 21:54.53 | rahul | daemoen: no company can control linux. once you've downloaded it, you have a license to modify and redistribute. |
| 21:55.05 | tarzeau | xand: and open source software, the name is being abused by people that give you no rights, only the source |
| 21:55.11 | N1ckR | redhat have to release their sources. |
| 21:55.24 | tarzeau | xand: and really most of the software is free software by those who made it, and NOT open source software |
| 21:55.26 | daemoen | rahul: are you at all familiar with copyright or trademark law? or even intellectual property law? |
| 21:55.43 | rahul | daemoen: yes, that is why I know you're blathering about nonsense |
| 21:55.58 | daemoen | really? what specialization did you select in your IP studies? |
| 21:57.20 | tarzeau | xand: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html |
| 21:57.21 | Azar | xand: is like someone gives you a recipe for frying fish, allows you to use it and fry your fish but you have no right to modify the recipe and share it with your friends |
| 21:57.21 | daemoen | if you want to get into the legalities of it, lets go. |
| 21:57.21 | eat_life | http://people.debian.org/~debacle/cross/ what to do now about toolchain-source, since it's not in stable anymore? |
| 21:57.21 | N1ckR | http://www.gnu.org/copyleft |
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| 21:57.22 | xand | PaSurf: what? samba is not a dhcp server |
| 21:57.22 | rahul | daemoen: are you claiming that the GPL doesn't exist? |
| 21:57.22 | thelostbutler | hello folks can someone please explain what a direct mount is and what an indirect mount is when working on stuff related to autofs |
| 21:57.22 | Azar | rahul: don't jump on visitors |
| 21:57.23 | Azar | let off his leg |
| 21:57.23 | rahul | the whole fucking POINT of the GPL was to make it irrelevant whether an abusive entity wrote the code or not |
| 21:57.23 | rahul | Azar: he's a troll, not a visitor |
| 21:57.26 | streuner | hehe |
| 21:57.28 | Azar | rahul: no he is just confused at your attacks |
| 21:57.40 | rahul | Azar: he is making ridiculous statements |
| 21:57.46 | daemoen | rahul: stop assuming you understand what the GPL is and does. You obviously have no idea what the hell IP does in the United States, so the more you open the mouth, the more you show how stupid YOU are, not me. |
| 21:57.50 | Azar | rahul: normal, he is new in the field |
| 21:57.55 | rahul | and he is confusing code with the person who writes it |
| 21:58.08 | Azar | oh my god, stop it please |
| 21:58.16 | rahul | daemoen: so you're claiming that the GPL is invalid in the US |
| 21:58.16 | dondelelcaro | daemoen: IP has nothing to do with #debian; please stop. |
| 21:58.26 | dondelelcaro | rahul: that's not on topic here either. |
| 21:58.49 | daemoen | I came in here for one reason and one reason only. To validate something that was said by one of your own room regulars in a room that I have been a member of for a long time. |
| 21:58.50 | daemoen | That was it. |
| 21:58.55 | rahul | dondelelcaro: he's talking crap about debian being "unsafe" to use because it could get taken over by MS |
| 21:59.02 | xand | !room |
| 21:59.02 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 21:59.03 | xand | ;P |
| 21:59.14 | streuner | What the fuck |
| 21:59.19 | Azar | daemoen: people make statements without reading the documentation... don't believe stuff read on some rooms |
| 21:59.24 | rahul | whatever the "it" is that could be taken over by MS, I don't know |
| 21:59.30 | dondelelcaro | rahul: I read the scrollback; disabusing him of the notion should have taken one line. |
| 21:59.43 | rahul | nor what that has to do with the code he gets. |
| 21:59.46 | streuner | rahul: are you crazy, you want discuss things with an OP? |
| 22:00.02 | dondelelcaro | in any event, lets drop it, please. |
| 22:00.15 | streuner | Azar: are you crazy too? You fight with an other user here who is mainly here...? |
| 22:00.16 | Azar | ok let's change the subject guys |
| 22:00.35 | Azar | streuner: I try to bring peace and closure I guess we are over now |
| 22:00.39 | daemoen | without the community, debian would not exist, much like fedora at this point. So what better place to get information than from the community :) |
| 22:00.56 | Azar | daemoen: let me look I will give you stuff to read, the real deal |
| 22:01.06 | eat_life | http://people.debian.org/~debacle/cross/ what to do now about toolchain-source, since it's not in stable anymore? |
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| 22:02.50 | Azar | daemoen: a very nice and clarifying read for you : http://www.debian.org/intro/about |
| 22:03.28 | tdn | What to do if I cannot umount an NFS share, when I am no longer on the same network as the NFS server? I get "device is busy", but lsof on the mount just hangs. |
| 22:03.39 | dondelelcaro | tdn: use umount -f |
| 22:03.55 | rahul | tdn: you shouldn't be using nfs like that, in general... |
| 22:04.08 | tdn | dondelelcaro, it seems to be hanging.... |
| 22:04.13 | tdn | rahul, what do you mean? |
| 22:04.23 | tdn | rahul, what should I be doing different? |
| 22:05.17 | xand | umount it before disconnecting? |
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| 22:05.21 | rahul | tdn: don't use NFS if you expect to be disconnecting from the network without explicitly umounting |
| 22:05.23 | tdn | I get this on umount -f: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P594.html |
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| 22:05.37 | tdn | xand, of course, but the network went down without notice :( |
| 22:05.39 | dondelelcaro | tdn: yeah, so use umount -fl |
| 22:05.45 | tdn | rahul, I did not expect this. |
| 22:05.57 | rahul | tdn: reconnecting to the network didn't fix it? |
| 22:06.02 | N1ckR | Does anyone use XFS, is it stable (enough for a home server), or should I go with ext3 ? |
| 22:06.08 | tdn | rahul, the network is down. I cannot reconnect. |
| 22:06.17 | rahul | N1ckR: plenty of people use it. it's quite stable. |
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| 22:06.33 | rahul | tdn: then you'll probbaly have issues |
| 22:06.34 | tdn | N1ckR, I have been using it since 2003. I have been very satisfied. |
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| 22:07.13 | dv_ | hello |
| 22:07.13 | tdn | N1ckR, currently, however, I do not use it in production, but that has nothing to do with XFS not being stable :) |
| 22:07.25 | tdn | rahul, "issues"? :) |
| 22:07.27 | dv_ | how far does the etch installer autoconfigurate things? |
| 22:07.29 | N1ckR | Cool. I am using it, only problem I had was when a stick of ram went corrupt and destroyed my / partition |
| 22:07.37 | xand | N1ckR: beware powercuts |
| 22:07.46 | rahul | tdn: you may have unfinished transactions |
| 22:07.50 | dv_ | does it install hal, dbus, etc. for automounting and stuff? |
| 22:07.55 | N1ckR | but I recon ext3 would of struggled. |
| 22:07.57 | tdn | rahul, ok. I have only read from the share. |
| 22:08.03 | rahul | tdn: not sure if there's a decent way to fix it... |
| 22:08.14 | rahul | tdn: were you reading when the connection died? |
| 22:08.31 | N1ckR | Xand, funnily ive had 2 powercuts with xfs without problem, maybe luck, ive read it can be nasty. |
| 22:08.33 | tdn | rahul, I have not been writing anything, so there should not be anything that is waiting to be written from a buffer or something like that. |
| 22:08.44 | rahul | N1ckR: random corruption is random |
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| 22:09.05 | rahul | tdn: but there could be a process that's reading from it |
| 22:09.11 | tdn | rahul, I was not actively reading during the network failure, but I had a few files open. |
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| 22:09.31 | rahul | tdn: right. you probably need to reboot. |
| 22:09.36 | tdn | rahul, there probably is, but I cannot see anything with lsof. It just hangs (probably waiting for the server) |
| 22:09.48 | tdn | rahul, oh.. Really? Dang it. |
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| 22:09.56 | evil | debian jest glupi. |
| 22:10.10 | tdn | dmesg says: nfs: server 10.0.0.30 not responding, still trying |
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| 22:10.41 | rahul | tdn: yeah |
| 22:10.42 | tdn | Wow! I think umount -fl just got through! It took some time, but now the share is unmounted :) |
| 22:10.50 | rahul | heh, guess it finally gave up |
| 22:11.08 | tdn | rahul, is it safe to keep the system up? Or should I reboot soon? |
| 22:11.22 | rahul | eh, you'll probably be fine now... |
| 22:11.23 | tdn | rahul, right now is a bad time for a reboot... But in a few days maybe. |
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| 22:11.29 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 22:11.33 | tdn | rahul, ok. Thanks for the help. |
| 22:11.48 | Pupeno | Any ideas if to install Linux on a MacBook Pro do I have to turn FileVault off (to resizeVolume)? |
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| 22:12.29 | endra | I would just like to make it clear that linux fucking rocks. |
| 22:12.48 | streuner | we know |
| 22:12.58 | endra | And for those who don't agree |
| 22:13.05 | endra | I'm going to drag you outside and shoot you with hardened balls of your own shit |
| 22:13.14 | N1ckR | Does ext3 not suffer on a power cut (like xfs can), with it default journalling ? |
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| 22:13.49 | rahul | N1ckR: I don't know how XFS can, any more |
| 22:13.50 | dkr | endra: thanks for bringing the channel down to a new low. :) |
| 22:14.19 | rahul | N1ckR: if you're talking about data and metadata getting out of sync because of lack of metadata journalling, that has nothing to do with XFS |
| 22:14.20 | endra | dkr: you are very welcome. |
| 22:14.43 | rahul | N1ckR: it's a general problem when any FS is set up to work that way |
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| 22:16.18 | N1ckR | rahul, i have a link, just diggin it out for you |
| 22:16.34 | rahul | N1ckR: read the FAQ. |
| 22:17.02 | rahul | there is lots of ignorant prattle around the blogosphere |
| 22:18.39 | N1ckR | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html |
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| 22:22.26 | dakoo | what's going on here |
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| 22:23.45 | N1ckR | nothing to see, move along... |
| 22:23.49 | N1ckR | ;) |
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| 22:24.29 | kiba | is there a tool that measure total download? |
| 22:24.42 | kiba | like how much bandwith I consumed so far |
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| 22:25.02 | xand | kiba: ifconfig |
| 22:25.23 | xand | though it wraps quite soon on 32-bit |
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| 22:29.36 | maddash | kiba: ifconfig -a |
| 22:29.57 | kiba | thanks |
| 22:30.01 | maddash | kiba: ifconfig|grep bytes |
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| 22:31.34 | CoolGuy21 | hi |
| 22:31.48 | CoolGuy21 | i am running Debian 4.0 how do i start the ssh server? |
| 22:32.01 | Arafangion | CoolGuy21: Have you installed the ssh server? |
| 22:32.08 | xand | CoolGuy21: apt-get install ssh |
| 22:32.09 | karsten | CoolGuy21: Install it. |
| 22:32.19 | CoolGuy21 | Thank you |
| 22:32.20 | karsten | CoolGuy21: Debian generally starts services once installed. |
| 22:32.39 | Arafangion | xand: Not sshd? |
| 22:32.46 | karsten | CoolGuy21: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 22:32.48 | karsten | xand: ^^ |
| 22:33.09 | xand | no, not sshd |
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| 22:33.24 | CoolGuy21 | ok i think i have to update the list |
| 22:33.28 | CoolGuy21 | how do i update it? |
| 22:33.35 | karsten | CoolGuy21: man aptitude |
| 22:33.44 | CoolGuy21 | apt-get update :) |
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| 22:34.10 | cydork | karsten: ssh metapackage provides both client and server |
| 22:34.52 | karsten | cydork: I was checking that. Seems I've got openssh-{client,server} installed. |
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| 22:44.53 | DawnLight | oh, what a lovely night and wonderous operating system |
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| 22:47.04 | antoszka | Hello. Which debian package includes the dig utility? |
| 22:47.07 | DawnLight | does anyone know of a torrent client for cli? |
| 22:47.11 | antoszka | (bind-tools, or something) |
| 22:47.14 | antoszka | DawnLight: rtorrent |
| 22:47.18 | mmlj4 | antoszka: apt-cache search dig |
| 22:47.23 | antoszka | mmlj4: I did |
| 22:47.33 | mmlj4 | :-( |
| 22:47.38 | antoszka | mmlj4: No reasonable answers |
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| 22:50.39 | Coweater | antoszka: dnsutils, you can use "apt-file search bin/dig" to find things like that, but you have to install apt-file and then run apt-file update |
| 22:51.02 | antoszka | Coweater: thanks a lot, that's what i needed |
| 22:51.09 | Coweater | or just use packages.debian.org |
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| 22:52.23 | antoszka | Coweater: That's not as comfortable (unless I wrapped it in a script). |
| 22:52.32 | antoszka | Coweater: (using the webpage, i mean) |
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| 22:55.50 | antoszka | Cya. |
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| 22:56.07 | vlt | Hello. I need to connect from my Debian 4.0 notebook with USB and my Nokia mobile phone (6210) to the internet (from Germany). Someone told me about "gammu" but on the project page I only find things about sending messages or storing ringtones :-/ What do I need? Any experience/idea? |
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| 22:58.55 | Mika-chan | Is something going on with ftp.us.debian.org? I seem to have a lot of trouble accessing it lately. |
| 23:00.14 | streuner | there are several servers for ftp.us ... |
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| 23:00.39 | nvz | has anyone else noticed that iceweasel seems to scroll up/down with a mind of its own? I think its like auto-scroll gone mad.. is there some way to turn it off? |
| 23:00.39 | streuner | just try it again |
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| 23:02.01 | kevinl-- | anyone know much about the debian netinst cd and how it actually works? |
| 23:02.18 | streuner | no |
| 23:02.27 | streuner | !tell kevinl-- about ask |
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| 23:02.50 | kevinl-- | ok |
| 23:02.52 | cydork | kevinl--: what do you want to know?? |
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| 23:03.02 | cydork | o.0 |
| 23:03.15 | kevinl-- | well |
| 23:03.16 | streuner | they work like a charm too :-) |
| 23:03.22 | kevinl-- | i need to make a sortof custom cd |
| 23:03.26 | cydork | streuner: heh true |
| 23:03.29 | cydork | !custom cd |
| 23:03.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian |
| 23:03.44 | kevinl-- | ya i've read all that |
| 23:03.51 | streuner | sure |
| 23:03.59 | streuner | but why do you need another installer? |
| 23:04.01 | kevinl-- | but all i really need to do is add 4 packages to the base install and a few configs really |
| 23:04.10 | streuner | why? |
| 23:04.27 | cydork | kevinl--: configs?? why? |
| 23:04.44 | kevinl-- | because i need the target group to be able to have a working nfs/tftp boot server |
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| 23:05.54 | kevinl-- | i could write some script or something, but how hard could it be to add a few things to the net install cd ? |
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| 23:06.09 | cydork | kevinl--: being lazy i will use preseed for that kind of thing i guess! |
| 23:06.37 | kevinl-- | do you mean debconf preseeding |
| 23:06.42 | kevinl-- | i havent really read much a bout that |
| 23:07.02 | kevinl-- | this is a very simple customization |
| 23:07.16 | kevinl-- | i could do al lthw tweaks by hand in 5 minutes |
| 23:07.27 | kevinl-- | but, that wont work for this scenario |
| 23:07.29 | kevinl-- | :) |
| 23:07.50 | cydork | kevinl--: check http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 23:08.55 | cydork | kevinl--: see if that helps, i am off to bed :) |
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| 23:09.02 | kevinl-- | yup |
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| 23:11.07 | andr | hi guys, girls ;-) |
| 23:11.14 | andr | i have small q |
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| 23:12.02 | andr | why do files copied over from windows share onto linux color green? |
| 23:12.08 | andr | like this --> http://www.intersecting.net/download/ScreenShot.jpg |
| 23:12.12 | slava | because they're +x |
| 23:12.29 | andr | +x ? |
| 23:12.33 | slava | executable |
| 23:12.38 | slava | try chmod -x foo |
| 23:12.41 | andr | yeah i know ;-) |
| 23:12.42 | slava | where foo is your file name |
| 23:12.49 | andr | but check that image pls |
| 23:12.50 | TheDebugger | andr: Their permission are f... :/ |
| 23:13.21 | andr | ooo hold on, thats a bridge too far for me |
| 23:13.28 | andr | whats f...:/ |
| 23:13.47 | slava | fucked |
| 23:13.58 | andr | naaarg |
| 23:14.05 | andr | they fresh copy |
| 23:14.15 | andr | made with rdfiff-backup |
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| 23:14.43 | andr | and i have the same coloring when i browse a share on windows on cifs mount |
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| 23:15.14 | andr | windows share ---> mount as /blaaa ----> then ls -Al shows that green too |
| 23:16.06 | andr | i think it has something to do with utf-8 ? |
| 23:16.18 | andr | but im not smart enough to be sure about that |
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| 23:16.53 | andr | i try the advice of slava first |
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| 23:17.40 | andr | i'm curious about that |
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| 23:19.26 | andr | slava: -x doesnt work sorry |
| 23:19.28 | CoolGuy21 | 3 |
| 23:19.29 | andr | still green |
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| 23:23.24 | DawnLight | torrent client for cli, anyone? |
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| 23:23.44 | Deepa | DawnLight: rtorrent |
| 23:23.45 | xand | "bittorrent" |
| 23:24.07 | DawnLight | thanks a lot |
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| 23:25.59 | Deepa | btdownloadgui.bittornado |
| 23:26.04 | Deepa | although it reuquires x |
| 23:26.13 | Deepa | So it's not really a CLI |
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| 23:27.18 | Xanthor|aw | apt-cache show transmission-cli |
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| 23:27.54 | andr | slava: tough it DOES work with chmod o-w |
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| 23:28.10 | andr | then green colorrong is gone |
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| 23:28.31 | andr | oo damned he just left :-/ |
| 23:28.38 | gravity | slava was in here? Cool. I admire his work. |
| 23:28.45 | andr | yes |
| 23:28.58 | andr | he just left a sec ago mate |
| 23:29.04 | DawnLight | what does he do? |
| 23:29.27 | gravity | DawnLight: These days he's working on a language called Factor (which I haven't taken a proper look at) |
| 23:29.32 | gravity | He wrote jedit also |
| 23:30.44 | DawnLight | wow |
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| 23:31.33 | gravity | I'll probably look at factor as my model for stack-based languages. I don't really understand them yet. |
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| 23:32.50 | DawnLight | when one writes a language one needs to write instructions for the compiler? |
| 23:33.28 | gravity | You write the compiler |
| 23:33.36 | gravity | I'm not sure if factor is compiled or interpreted though |
| 23:34.01 | DawnLight | interpreted to another language, i guess |
| 23:34.17 | DawnLight | i mean, i guess thats what you mean |
| 23:34.47 | gravity | Well, not exactly |
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| 23:36.58 | |fluxdude| | is there a good way to run a command and continue to have it's output pouring down the screen but the terminal is locked/logged out? |
| 23:37.06 | gravity | An interpreter doesn't necessarily transform the code in to an intermediate language, it can just execute the statements as it parses them |
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| 23:37.56 | DawnLight | gravity: so you mean, you act as if it's a script? run the source? |
| 23:38.08 | gravity | DawnLight: That's what an interpreter does. |
| 23:38.16 | DawnLight | i get it |
| 23:38.19 | gravity | Cool |
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| 23:39.40 | DawnLight | gravity: so i guess that if computer calculations were instantanious, there was no need for a compiler |
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| 23:39.54 | gravity | DawnLight: Yeah |
| 23:40.07 | DawnLight | i'd like to see that |
| 23:40.43 | Kevin`sleep | hello all how are you ? |
| 23:40.55 | DawnLight | 10 |
| 23:41.00 | enveezee | ok well apparently this is not a iceweasel problem cause it happens in all x applications I am not sure how to narrow it down any further though I've tried changing mouse protocol from ImPS/2 to ExplorerPS/2 and it just made it worse.. THe mouse scrolls with a mind of its own even when you're not touching it |
| 23:41.29 | DawnLight | sounds like a mouse problem |
| 23:41.52 | DawnLight | perhaps it developed a mind of its own |
| 23:42.04 | enveezee | yeah well whats the chances it happens on different systems with different mice and only develops after upgrading to etch? |
| 23:42.34 | enveezee | input: ImPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse on isa0060/serio1 |
| 23:42.35 | DawnLight | maybe etch is triggering the mind development |
| 23:42.58 | enveezee | doest it way more on this system than on mine though.. its nearly unsuable on here with any app that can scroll |
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| 23:43.49 | DawnLight | ummmm.... disable the scrolling at the lowest level you can? |
| 23:44.04 | DawnLight | for now, at least |
| 23:44.10 | enveezee | yeah well how do I do that |
| 23:44.16 | enveezee | thats obvious |
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| 23:45.08 | DawnLight | i guess you can do that with x. i'd prefer to do it with the driver if thats possible |
| 23:45.11 | enveezee | I tried what I can think of.. tried listening to the mouse device to see if its happening at a kernel level or not, and didnt find anything conclusive cause the scrolling doesnt seem to make anything really noticable happen anyhow |
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| 23:46.00 | stoned | Wicked Wicked! Jungle is massive! |
| 23:46.06 | enveezee | I guess I can try upgrading the kernel, since this is still using an etch kernel.. but I figure its an xorg problem since it was working fine two days ago before it upgraded to etch |
| 23:46.13 | enveezee | and the kernel is the same, only the xserver changed |
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| 23:48.06 | DawnLight | that may be whats causing it. sounds likely that using newer binaries with older kernels would make funny stuff |
| 23:48.42 | DawnLight | i'd try apting the new kernel |
| 23:48.46 | enveezee | possibly I'm gonna install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 to replace the sarge 2.6.8-2 |
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| 23:49.07 | enveezee | it recommeds libc6-686 I wonder if I should install that too |
| 23:49.49 | DawnLight | i'd go with the recommendation |
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| 23:51.22 | enveezee | this machine pisses me off, its an Intel PIII Coppermine 996mhz w/ like 256mb ram and maybe 64 of that is being used for video.. and all around it runs faster than my damn Athlon XP 1700+ w/ 512mb ram |
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| 23:52.09 | DawnLight | i find that hard to believe |
| 23:52.50 | enveezee | me too, but doing things on my machine, which I use primarily text-based apps goes slower than what they do on here which they are typical desktop users who use intensive graphical apps |
| 23:53.04 | enveezee | especially net-related things.. like watching videos online |
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| 23:54.18 | DawnLight | ask them what they feed it with, i would to try that |
| 23:55.13 | enveezee | well one thing is they only have this one pc and their VOIP box on their cable modem.. I got like 4 other windows boxes and an xbox 360 besides me on mine |
| 23:55.30 | enveezee | and my brother spends most of the day downloading the whole internet |
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| 23:55.49 | cluck | hi |
| 23:55.53 | enveezee | but that doesnt explain why my pc seems slow even when not doing net-related stuff |
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| 23:57.04 | DawnLight | OC it's ass... |
| 23:57.04 | enveezee | I really need to setup some kind of traffic shaper or something at home. only problem is we currently have a damn SBG which is a modem, gateway/router deal, and wireless AP all in one |
| 23:57.29 | enveezee | so short of getting a new modem and wireless access point there isnt much I can really do |
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| 23:58.09 | enveezee | unless there is some other way to route traffic through another box that I'm not thinking of :P |
| 23:58.18 | DawnLight | tell your brother to limit and explain to him that there is no hope downloading the whole internet |
| 23:58.59 | enveezee | ugh he is a moron. I already explained to him that things like torrents can suck up more bandwidth that anyone has |
| 23:59.22 | enveezee | I used to just turn on MAC filtering and disconnect people when they didnt listen |
| 23:59.39 | enveezee | I can at least do that with the shitty modem I have |
| 23:59.57 | DawnLight | you can set up a box as a gateway that does bandwidth tricks |
