| 00:00.32 | enveezee | yeah but most of them are on wireless which is built into the modem.. so how can I shape traffic that doesnt really pass through my box? :P |
| 00:00.36 | DawnLight | unless your brother is wirelessing the AP. in that case i don't know |
| 00:01.23 | DawnLight | right |
| 00:01.24 | enveezee | he usually uses my hub cause his xbox works better that way and he just pluggs his pc in too.. but he has the option of switching easily |
| 00:01.30 | enveezee | I definatly plug into the hub.. wireless sucks |
| 00:01.53 | DawnLight | yeah, but wireless is sometimes moneyless |
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| 00:02.38 | enveezee | heh. for all I know we got half the neighborhood on our connection. the way these idiots manage the network when I'm not around is ridiculous |
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| 00:03.32 | enveezee | I at least turned of the ESSID Broadcast and had MAC Filtering turned on, and WEP which provided psuedo-security |
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| 00:03.35 | enveezee | but they change adapters all the time and makes mac filtering a PITA |
| 00:04.06 | DawnLight | i'm kind of counting on this kind of bad managing in the building i'm moving into :) |
| 00:04.13 | enveezee | heh |
| 00:04.16 | Kevin` | turning off essid broadcast only stops windows kiddies who don't know what they are doing |
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| 00:04.38 | enveezee | yeah well same with WEP |
| 00:04.57 | Kevin` | and mac filtering :) |
| 00:05.01 | DawnLight | isn't there aircrack and wireshark for windows, also? |
| 00:05.03 | Kevin` | wep would delay someone the most |
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| 00:05.28 | Kevin` | DawnLight I don't think the wireless drivers support capturing raw packets |
| 00:05.39 | enveezee | yeah those are the three best options the Motorolla SBG has, and has no firmware updates available |
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| 00:06.01 | Kevin` | those things would keep ME away, of course |
| 00:06.01 | DawnLight | Kevin` let alone injecting, huh? |
| 00:06.09 | Kevin` | i'd find someone else with an open network |
| 00:06.25 | enveezee | yeah you definatly would around here.. this is a digital school district |
| 00:06.41 | enveezee | the all the public schools and homes of the students have wireless access |
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| 00:07.00 | enveezee | they supply the students with iBooks with airport cards |
| 00:07.07 | Kevin` | and it's "plug and play" too, connect the wires and ignore it :) |
| 00:07.19 | DawnLight | sounds like the air is filled with the scent of packets |
| 00:07.27 | enveezee | yeah it definatly is. |
| 00:08.01 | Saar | hello, would anyone know what happened with stdlib.h on etch? it comes with libc6-dev however that package is replaced by linux-kernel-headers. Perhaps another .h replaces stdlib.h? |
| 00:08.04 | enveezee | thats not even to mention the libraries that are also funded and part of the school district, or the other public access points.. McDonalds, Subway, Starbucks..etc |
| 00:08.10 | Saar | This is an amd64 etch installation |
| 00:08.31 | Kevin` | <6>[ 8713.387222] usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 7 |
| 00:08.32 | Kevin` | <3>[ 8716.509621] usb 4-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 00:08.36 | Kevin` | does that look broken to you? |
| 00:08.40 | enveezee | if you can't find free internet around here, you're not looking |
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| 00:09.52 | Kevin` | I wonder if anyone has ever bothered to crack my wep key |
| 00:11.12 | Kevin` | been the same for years |
| 00:11.12 | enveezee | I've been thinking about how cool it would be to rig up one of them hobby helicopters with a little embedded linux system and 802.11a/b/g have it cruise around sniffing the airwaves with a cantenna attached |
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| 00:11.13 | Kevin` | why cantenna instead of omni |
| 00:11.13 | enveezee | true |
| 00:11.13 | Kevin` | it wouldn't take much to do that |
| 00:11.14 | enveezee | would be a lot of programming teaching the thing to retrace its steps if it lost signal and have sonar or something to avoid collisions |
| 00:11.14 | Kevin` | you could rig up an 802.11g data logger that would weigh less then the battery or motor |
| 00:11.14 | Kevin` | or, I could :) |
| 00:11.15 | Kevin` | retrace it's steps? you want it to control itself? |
| 00:11.15 | enveezee | I vision it being completly controlled via the internet :P |
| 00:11.19 | enveezee | hacking access points as it goes |
| 00:11.26 | Kevin` | what would you use for attitude sensors |
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| 00:12.21 | enveezee | altitude you mean? I never thought about that really... |
| 00:12.30 | Kevin` | attitude, not altitude |
| 00:12.34 | Kevin` | but you would need both, true |
| 00:12.39 | Kevin` | and proximity sensors |
| 00:13.15 | enveezee | well the OAP project uses sonar in thier prototype sonar and infrared.. has kernel modules and sample firing circuits |
| 00:13.19 | Kevin` | i'm not sure what would make a good absolute attitude sensor, or if you would even use one |
| 00:13.23 | Kevin` | need one* |
| 00:13.23 | DawnLight | WEPicopter |
| 00:13.28 | enveezee | heh |
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| 00:13.41 | Kevin` | you might be able to get all the information you need from a gyroscope and drift |
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| 00:14.02 | DawnLight | or have a bird do it |
| 00:14.14 | enveezee | naturally the thing couldnt fly too high cause it would go out of signal range. |
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| 00:14.43 | Kevin` | it would need to control itself anyway |
| 00:14.47 | Kevin` | no reason it couldn't fly home on gps |
| 00:14.52 | Kevin` | if you got the REST working :) |
| 00:14.59 | enveezee | I was thinking it have to have a bunch of emergency routines like retracing its steps to find a previous signal point or in worst case eject the propeller and deploy parachute.. heh |
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| 00:15.46 | Kevin` | the thing OAP has going for it is if it gets confused, it can stop and look around |
| 00:15.54 | Kevin` | or go backwards and spin or whatever |
| 00:16.01 | Kevin` | with a helicopter you can't make mistakes |
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| 00:17.13 | henrik_ | in the installation guide i |
| 00:17.31 | henrik_ | i chose guided encrypted with lvm and different partitions for /home, /usr, etc |
| 00:17.34 | enveezee | yeah the helo made the most sense so far, but ideally I'd want something that could hover or glide/float not need to constantly be wasting fuel waiting for new instructions but the helicopters are easy to come by and would be an interesting platform to test ideas on |
| 00:17.38 | henrik_ | Will everything except /boot be encrypted? |
| 00:17.46 | henrik_ | or just / |
| 00:18.01 | Kevin` | enveezee a plane might be easier to control then a helicopter |
| 00:18.17 | Kevin` | plane can almost fly itself except for control |
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| 00:18.22 | Kevin` | helicopter is naturally unstable |
| 00:18.28 | stoned | hu? |
| 00:18.34 | stoned | wtf are ya'll talkin about |
| 00:18.53 | enveezee | sentient civillian recon vehicle |
| 00:19.01 | enveezee | maybe I should start with a car first :P |
| 00:19.10 | Kevin` | car is definitely easier |
| 00:19.55 | enveezee | people would wonder wtf a toy car is doing roving around with nobody in sight controlling it.. heh |
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| 00:21.31 | enveezee | I could make the worlds smallest hybrid.. heh runs of electrical battery/solar power and gas |
| 00:23.29 | Kevin` | enveezee http://flighttests.roboticflight.org/ - perhaps you can take something from them, if they have any information |
| 00:24.29 | enveezee | I think the ground vehicle makes more sense to start with.. taking to the air with pure prototypes leaves a lot of room for error |
| 00:24.56 | Kevin` | oh it would be broken in seconds :) |
| 00:25.00 | enveezee | heh yep |
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| 00:25.50 | Saar | trying to repeat my question :-) |
| 00:25.59 | Saar | hello, would anyone know what happened with stdlib.h on etch? it comes with libc6-dev however that package is replaced by linux-kernel-headers. Perhaps another .h replaces stdlib.h? |
| 00:26.15 | Saar | i get a catch 22 when installing libc6-dev |
| 00:26.17 | enveezee | oh well I had better reboot this machine and do some more testing to see where this problem lies with the mouse phantom |
| 00:26.21 | streuner | !listvals stdlib.h |
| 00:26.23 | karsten | Is there a tool to combind multiple PDFs into one? |
| 00:26.23 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'stdlib.h' by value returned no results. |
| 00:26.34 | streuner | !find stdlib.h |
| 00:26.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'stdlib.h' (6 of 47): (/usr/share/cmix/shadow/stdlib.h) in devel/cmix ;; (/usr/include/brickos/stdlib.h) in devel/brickos ;; (/usr/share/splint/lib/stdlib.h) in devel/splint ;; (/usr/share/cscc/include/stdlib.h) in devel/pnetc ;; (/usr/include/pccts/pccts_stdlib.h) in devel/pccts ;; (/usr/include/ivstd/stdlib.h) in devel/ivtools-dev. |
| 00:27.03 | Saar | its not in linux-headers |
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| 00:27.12 | nslater | If my source package has multiple binary packages do I need multiple changelogs for each package? |
| 00:27.15 | streuner | Saar: did you try pdo? |
| 00:27.21 | Saar | what is pdo? |
| 00:27.25 | streuner | !pdo |
| 00:27.25 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 00:27.31 | Saar | yes |
| 00:27.37 | streuner | hm |
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| 00:28.07 | streuner | Saar: read changelog then |
| 00:28.27 | streuner | karsten: psmerge ;-) |
| 00:28.29 | Saar | ok |
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| 00:31.04 | karsten | streuner: That did a remarkably ... piss-poor job. |
| 00:31.08 | slacker403 | anyone here wever used awstats before ? |
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| 00:31.16 | streuner | haha |
| 00:31.34 | streuner | !tell slacker403 about ask |
| 00:31.34 | Saar | ugh no mention of stdlib in changelogs |
| 00:31.41 | Saar | odd |
| 00:31.51 | slacker403 | streuner: have you ever used it ? |
| 00:31.54 | slacker403 | i jus got a question |
| 00:32.14 | streuner | So what the fuck stops you? :-) |
| 00:32.26 | nslater | No need to sware. |
| 00:32.35 | slacker403 | is awstats about the best it comes to trackign traffic using only 1 ip ........... i know using multiple ip's for each user is best but is awstats the best tool around to track multiple users on one ip ? |
| 00:33.23 | cyberfra | After i made my debina live, i have this msg "BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-2ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash) Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off". Some body knows this error? Thk |
| 00:33.58 | nimbat_ | slacker403: I really like webalizer for this |
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| 00:34.09 | streuner | cyberfra: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 00:35.17 | streuner | karsten: no, i dunno about another tool |
| 00:35.57 | karsten | streunerpdfedit worked, interactive though. |
| 00:36.03 | streuner | karsten: or just use 'the gimp' ;-) |
| 00:36.17 | streuner | hm |
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| 00:37.18 | slacker403 | nimbat_: awstats is suppose to be like way way way better then webalizer or w/e it hasnt been updated since like 02 |
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| 00:39.49 | karsten | slacker403: nimbat_ : Mind that awstats has a chckered security history. Run it in cron mode rather than CGI mode if you must6. |
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| 00:39.49 | cyberfra | @streuner: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:39.49 | cyberfra | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:39.49 | nimbat_ | slacker403: This is true, but depends on your needs. Webalizer is installed and configured within minutes... |
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| 00:40.52 | spheard | Is anyone interested in the following machines for Debian related |
| 00:40.53 | spheard | work? The machines are currently located in Carlsbad, CA, near Lego |
| 00:40.53 | spheard | Land. |
| 00:40.53 | spheard | > We recently freed up some old Sun hardware that we're willing to donate |
| 00:40.53 | spheard | > for the cost of shipping. Available are: |
| 00:40.53 | spheard | > |
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| 00:41.44 | streuner | cyberfra: How are you able to get such an error? |
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| 00:42.34 | spheard | did anyone get that? |
| 00:42.43 | abrotman | no . you flooded |
| 00:42.49 | spheard | :-( |
| 00:43.10 | karsten | w00t: emacs22. |
| 00:43.14 | karsten | !tell spheard about paster |
| 00:43.20 | streuner | old sun hardware isn't supported anyways |
| 00:43.24 | streuner | :-/ |
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| 00:44.03 | spheard | http://rafb.net/p/cnpdBi53.html |
| 00:44.08 | streuner | if you talking about 32bit |
| 00:44.23 | spheard | its not old, its a sparc64 |
| 00:44.32 | spheard | dual processor |
| 00:44.43 | streuner | hm |
| 00:44.47 | spheard | the netra T4 |
| 00:44.58 | spheard | very tasty peice of equipment |
| 00:45.14 | spheard | get one for about $2000 on ebay |
| 00:45.21 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:45.30 | spheard | its a modern 4U rack mount server |
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| 00:46.04 | spheard | they're looking for an interesting advancement of debian project for it |
| 00:46.17 | streuner | wth, are you posting messages of tbm here? |
| 00:46.26 | henrik_ | tbm? |
| 00:46.28 | spheard | eh? |
| 00:46.29 | cyberfra | @streuner: qemu -cdrom binary.iso -boot d -no-acpi , while the booting stage, before monting the root filesystem |
| 00:46.33 | spheard | wth? |
| 00:47.14 | streuner | Martin Michlmayr |
| 00:47.14 | streuner | http://www.cyrius.com/ |
| 00:47.28 | streuner | that's #12 + #13 |
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| 00:48.01 | spheard | It was posted on debian-sparc mailing list |
| 00:48.06 | streuner | yes |
| 00:48.18 | streuner | and you're interested? |
| 00:48.37 | spheard | very, I have a sunfire 210 in london |
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| 00:49.03 | streuner | so what stops you to answer the mail or just mail tbm? |
| 00:49.05 | spheard | I need to find a pipe for it |
| 00:49.11 | spheard | in the usa |
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| 00:49.28 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:49.39 | streuner | hehe |
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| 00:49.49 | shaun_ | hello |
| 00:50.00 | shaun_ | how come aptitude doesnt list any mkfs tools? |
| 00:50.04 | shaun_ | when id o aptitude search mkfs |
| 00:50.21 | abrotman | apt-cache search ? |
| 00:50.24 | abrotman | apt-file search ? |
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| 00:50.38 | streuner | spheard: find someone who ship this box to you? |
| 00:50.49 | abrotman | haha |
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| 00:51.02 | ravsi | I have used 100 of of my / but thats only the root that has debian related files, not my actual stuff, is there any place I can clear out? I guess I made that partion too small |
| 00:51.04 | richcollins | how do I show the list of installed packages? |
| 00:51.04 | streuner | abrotman is the right one :-) |
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| 00:51.14 | streuner | richcollins: dpkg -l |
| 00:51.22 | richcollins | no apt? |
| 00:51.26 | streuner | no |
| 00:51.38 | streuner | man dpkg, man apt-get |
| 00:51.51 | streuner | read that, if you want fun with Debian |
| 00:52.17 | spheard | streuner: its not really worth shpping to the UK- I was hoping soget some kind of project started with it |
| 00:52.20 | asg | tarzeau: hehe, haven't seen that OpenBSD stickers quote in a bit; thanks for dragging it up :) |
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| 00:53.09 | spheard | streuner: debian on sun is almost indestructable |
| 00:53.20 | streuner | spheard: the message was pretty clear, wasn't it? |
| 00:53.21 | richcollins | how do I select individual packages for upgrade? |
| 00:53.24 | asg | spheard: unless it's on v100s with shitty davicom nics |
| 00:53.30 | abrotman | richcollins: aptitude install <pkg> |
| 00:53.31 | richcollins | I tried apt-get upgrade package_name |
| 00:53.37 | shaun_ | i dont even see mkfs when i do apt-cache search mkfs |
| 00:54.06 | abrotman | because mkfs isn't a package |
| 00:54.24 | shaun_ | :/ |
| 00:54.41 | shaun_ | what is the equalivant of "mkfs -t vfat /dev/sdb1" |
| 00:54.55 | asg | shaun_: man mkfs.vfat |
| 00:55.03 | abrotman | aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search mkfs.vfat |
| 00:55.06 | karsten | shaun_: mfs.vfat |
| 00:55.12 | streuner | mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1? |
| 00:55.13 | abrotman | karsten: you forgot the k |
| 00:55.23 | asg | abrotman: it's implied |
| 00:55.38 | abrotman | asg: |
| 00:55.41 | abrotman | imply that! |
| 00:55.46 | karsten | abrotman: Isn't that only the KDE version of mfs? |
| 00:55.51 | karsten | abrotman: I use GNOME anyway. |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:55.57 | karsten | mgfs |
| 00:55.57 | streuner | haha |
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| 00:56.02 | asg | abrotman: mr. M Self brings his K along by default |
| 00:56.07 | karsten | "MungeFS". |
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| 00:56.55 | karsten | shaun_: Most filesystems have a related set of tools which provides the FS-specific mkfs variant. |
| 00:57.17 | shaun_ | ahhh |
| 00:57.19 | shaun_ | i had to be root! |
| 00:57.21 | shaun_ | thats the problem |
| 00:57.29 | asg | shaun_: or you just needed to look in /sbin |
| 00:58.01 | meff | for the life of me i cannot get my digital camera working.. gphoto2 -L as root shows it connected and ready, but when i use any camera app as a user, it fails.. i have udev hal and dbus installed.. anyone have an idea whats wrong? |
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| 00:58.29 | abrotman | bastard! |
| 00:58.37 | streuner | meff: Does your camera is able to use usb-storage? |
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| 00:58.38 | Ben_Jami1 | If I have an xorg server on host $A and hosts on the network $B connect via "root@host.$B:/usr/bin/X [options] -query $A", how I run applications on host $A and have them show up on the hosts on network $B? |
| 00:58.46 | streuner | meff: s/Does/Is/ |
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| 00:59.05 | karsten | what's the new GASIM client / project? |
| 00:59.08 | asg | Ben_Jami1: the easiest way is /msg dpkg sshx (and the most secure by far) |
| 00:59.09 | karsten | GAIM. |
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| 00:59.14 | meff | streuner: nope, its a canon powershot A95, i can only use norma/ptp mode.. |
| 00:59.19 | enveezee | oh well the horrible scrolling issue is still happening I'm going to go grab some other hardware before I bitch anymore and try get some new ideas as to where to troubleshoot next.. just to be 100% sure its not the hardware even though I'm 95% sure of that now |
| 00:59.31 | eat_life | karsten: gaim is pidgin |
| 00:59.31 | streuner | meff: and gphoto doesn't work either? |
| 00:59.40 | meff | streuner: as root yes, as a user no |
| 00:59.41 | eat_life | but it's still gaim... just the name changed |
| 00:59.42 | karsten | meff: usb storage is the best way to fly. |
| 01:00.07 | meff | karsten: if my cam supported it :/ |
| 01:00.12 | abrotman | eww .. ptp mode sucks! |
| 01:00.25 | karsten | eat_life: Bingo, thanks. |
| 01:00.35 | karsten | meff: How long have you had the camera? |
| 01:00.36 | asg | abrotman: 21:00:08 up 9 days, 9:27, 3 users, load average: 0.37, 0.27, 0.13 |
| 01:00.37 | Ben_Jami1 | asg: Not via x forwarding on ssh. Spawning a child shell with the remote's host display set. I need to know how to forward the newly executed application to the remote Xserver. |
| 01:00.40 | asg | abrotman: slug is still ticking |
| 01:00.51 | abrotman | asg: put some salt on it |
| 01:00.58 | meff | karsten: year and a half or so |
| 01:01.02 | asg | abrotman: the cat licked it, does that help? |
| 01:01.03 | abrotman | asg: i wouldn't expect it to die so soon |
| 01:01.15 | abrotman | asg: was the cat licking something off ? :) |
| 01:01.25 | asg | abrotman: hard to say, the cat licks all kinds of shit |
| 01:01.38 | abrotman | asg: do you let it play at the zoo? |
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| 01:01.55 | asg | abrotman: no, but it eats bugs and carpet fuzz |
| 01:01.55 | abrotman | "MRS ASG: The cat is licking the elephant poo again!" |
| 01:01.56 | meff | this is all it says.. |
| 01:01.57 | meff | Jun 4 19:40:57 ghreen kernel: usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 |
| 01:02.00 | meff | Jun 4 19:40:57 ghreen kernel: usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
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| 01:02.09 | Ben_Jami1 | If I have an xorg server on host $A and hosts on the network $B connect via "root@host.$B:/usr/bin/X [options] -query $A", how I run applications on host $A and have them show up on the hosts on network $B? |
| 01:02.25 | abrotman | !tell Ben_Jami1 about sshx |
| 01:02.34 | asg | abrotman: he doesn't like that answer apparently |
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| 01:02.45 | abrotman | asg: he'll get it and like it! |
| 01:02.52 | abrotman | asg: send your cat to lick his crap |
| 01:02.58 | lindenle | how do i see which repository a package is in? (i.e. stable testing etc) |
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| 01:03.07 | asg | lindenle: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 01:03.10 | abrotman | apt-cache policy is about the best you can do |
| 01:03.16 | asg | lindenle: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 01:03.21 | lindenle | asg: muchas gracias |
| 01:03.26 | asg | lindenle: de nada |
| 01:03.31 | abrotman | mas tequila! |
| 01:03.39 | dashs | Is there a neat way to determine the pid of the current window manager? |
| 01:03.52 | lindenle | !tequila |
| 01:03.53 | dpkg | tequila bring pain! |
| 01:03.57 | abrotman | pidof ? |
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| 01:03.59 | asg | dpkg: pidof <whatever it is you run> |
| 01:04.00 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, asg |
| 01:04.01 | Ben_Jami1 | abrotman: Dude. I'm _NOT_ forwarding X via ssh. The X protocol between the remote host and the server has already been established via the Xorg clients/servers. I need to be able to spawn a child shell from a process by root that is displayed on the remote host as a differnet user. |
| 01:04.03 | asg | bah |
| 01:04.18 | asg | dashs: pidof <your window manager's name> |
| 01:04.29 | abrotman | Ben_Jami1: _OKAY_ |
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| 01:04.49 | lindenle | asg: so how do i tell apt-get to install a package and all its dependencies....i.e. all the libraries that are in sid? |
| 01:05.19 | asg | lindenle: rule number one, don't mix Debian version lightly ... or at all. What version are you now running? |
| 01:05.23 | karsten | lindenle: That's what happens automatically. |
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| 01:05.37 | lindenle | asg: I run testing...and I am not new to this ;) |
| 01:05.58 | dashs | asg: thanx -- could of course be more than one running, but I should be able to handle that. |
| 01:06.52 | lindenle | was just wodering if there was a quick way to tell apt-get to go ahead and install them all instead of doing package/sid for all of them |
| 01:06.52 | abrotman | -t |
| 01:06.52 | karsten | lindenle: Um, what are you asking exactly? |
| 01:06.53 | abrotman | lindenle: use pinning and -t |
| 01:06.55 | lindenle | mthanks abrotman |
| 01:07.05 | karsten | lindenle: Installing w/ pinning? -t. Or /smg dpkg pinning. |
| 01:07.14 | abrotman | karsten: i think he's asking how to mix (read as:blowupthesystem) |
| 01:07.15 | karsten | s/smg/msg/ |
| 01:07.23 | asg | dashs: you might need to use pgrep or the old ps aux standby and look for the parent process if that's the case |
| 01:07.27 | lindenle | im already mixed |
| 01:07.31 | lindenle | mthanks though |
| 01:07.32 | karsten | abrotman: yeah. |
| 01:07.54 | lindenle | and no blowy uppy yet ;) |
| 01:08.06 | FrozenSpoon | I know this is a silly question, but how can I tell what Debian I'm running? I think it's woody, but it might be older |
| 01:08.15 | lindenle | cat /etcdebian_version |
| 01:08.17 | asg | FrozenSpoon: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:08.26 | asg | FrozenSpoon: or dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1 |
| 01:09.00 | FrozenSpoon | okay. 3.0 woody. I assume a direct woody->etch upgrade should be fairly smooth? |
| 01:09.10 | abrotman | ah .. no |
| 01:09.14 | asg | FrozenSpoon: no, you need to do woody -> sarge -> etch |
| 01:09.24 | lindenle | ha ha |
| 01:09.29 | lindenle | sorry |
| 01:09.29 | asg | FrozenSpoon: or just backup your volatile data and reinstall with etch |
| 01:09.33 | lindenle | could not resist |
| 01:09.37 | karsten | Ben_Jami1: You can forward X connections by setting the DISPLAY environment variable approppriately (<hostname>:<displaynumber>), where hostname is either an name or IP address. However Debian disables TCP sockets in X by default. You'll also have to get and set / merge the MIT-MAGIC_Cookie. |
| 01:09.59 | karsten | Ben_Jami1: In general, it's *much* easier just to ssh -X user@remotehost and let ssh handle the lifting. Not to mention more secure. |
| 01:09.59 | abrotman | asg: should that be qotd material ? |
| 01:10.02 | Ben_Jami1 | karsten: So if TCP sockets are enabled, it should work? |
| 01:10.12 | karsten | Ben_Jami1: Maybe. |
| 01:10.13 | abrotman | asg: i mean .. it's better than some others! |
| 01:10.21 | asg | abrotman: if you wish, you have the power and the technology ... I'm off for a smoke ;) |
| 01:10.23 | FrozenSpoon | ah snap. not even a small chance of it working (they are VERY basic installs)? |
| 01:10.30 | karsten | Ben_Jami1: DEepends on yoru xauth settings, and any intervening firewall.s WHile it may work, it's not recommended. |
| 01:10.31 | Ben_Jami1 | karsten: The remote hosts connected via X aren't running ssh, they are kiosks(sp?) |
| 01:10.32 | lindenle | karsten: Is there a way to tell ssh to always set the -X port to the same number? |
| 01:10.35 | abrotman | asg: oh .. we can make the bot better! |
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| 01:10.41 | karsten | Ben_Jami1: In fact, it's very strongly discouraged. |
| 01:10.54 | Ben_Jami1 | karsten: This is a network dedicated to X... |
| 01:10.55 | karsten | Ben_Jami1: Sucks to be you. |
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| 01:11.07 | asg | FrozenSpoon: if they are basic, the move from woody -> sarge -> etch will not be problematic at all |
| 01:11.09 | Ben_Jami1 | karsten: Not really :P |
| 01:11.15 | karsten | Ben_Jami1: eat_life If you can name an OS you're using that doesn't have ssh cleint and server ported to it, I'll fax you a dollar. |
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| 01:11.43 | karsten | lindenle: RTFM. Maybe. You can set the range. Make that small enough and you should find it's predictable. |
| 01:11.51 | lindenle | karsten: or is that something the server decides |
| 01:11.55 | Ben_Jami1 | karsten: My custom ltsp thin clients? It's an isolated gig network. All the hosts do is handle X for the terminal server. |
| 01:12.00 | nanotube | I have login to debian linuxbox...how to I find out what version it is? sarge? etch? I do not want to look into sources.list file... |
| 01:12.31 | karsten | Ben_Jami1: Got it, that's a reasonable exception. Check that "nolisten tcp" is _not_ set on your X startup. |
| 01:12.31 | centrx | nanotube, /etc/debian_version ? |
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| 01:12.38 | abrotman | !tell FrozenSpoon about woody->sarge |
| 01:12.42 | abrotman | !tell FrozenSpoon about sarge->etch |
| 01:12.50 | nanotube | centrx: thanks |
| 01:12.52 | Ben_Jami1 | karsten: Arigato |
| 01:13.04 | FrozenSpoon | okay, I shall give it a shot. I'll be sure to send feedback to upgrade-reports. thanks |
| 01:13.10 | simmerz | does anyone do freelance debian server maintenance? how much do you charge? |
| 01:13.23 | centrx | nanotube, note that is not necessarily conclusive if the system has been partially upgraded in some strange way |
| 01:13.28 | Ben_Jami1 | simmerz: Wowza? What do you need done. We can probably help for free. |
| 01:13.41 | karsten | Ben_Jami1: De nada. |
| 01:13.47 | centrx | nanotube, but if it is not a messed up or hacked up system that works |
| 01:13.50 | nanotube | centrx: so what is the best solution? |
| 01:13.53 | abrotman | simmerz: depends on who you are and where you live .. don't you think ? |
| 01:13.55 | simmerz | Ben_Jami1: lol. no, I've got a client that I charge ad-hoc for maintenance |
| 01:14.12 | centrx | nanotube, well what are you trying to do |
| 01:14.25 | Ben_Jami1 | Ben_Jami1: simmerz ooo |
| 01:14.42 | simmerz | just wondering what people charge on a "contract" basis... |
| 01:14.44 | centrx | nanotube, if the system has been partly upgraded but not fully upgraded or some such, then it is not properly a "version" of debian |
| 01:14.45 | karsten | simmerz: There's a list of consultants at www.debian.org. Depends where you are and what you need done. Rates range pretty widely, most professionals I know are > $100/hr for short-term stuff. |
| 01:14.50 | nanotube | centrx: I just have to login to many servers every day and the biggest chanlenge is to find out what linux it is and what version |
| 01:14.51 | cottim1 | does anyone use ltsp terminal server? |
| 01:14.58 | lindenle | karsten: I see no reference to the range in the client manual. |
| 01:15.01 | Ben_Jami1 | cottim1: Yes? |
| 01:15.10 | simmerz | karsten: ok. and long term stuff? |
| 01:15.16 | centrx | nanotube, well if it is any system in a production environment like at a company, /etc/debian_version should be fine |
| 01:15.23 | simmerz | as in, just keeping the server running day to day |
| 01:15.31 | karsten | lindenle: "SEE ALSO" |
| 01:15.31 | centrx | nanotube, but /etc/apt/sources.list may tell a fuller story |
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| 01:15.40 | abrotman | !consultants |
| 01:15.40 | dpkg | somebody said consultants was http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 01:15.59 | karsten | lindenle: I can track this down for you and read it back to you, or you can do the work. Now lessee. Who'se question was this? Oh yeah, it was yous. |
| 01:16.01 | nanotube | centrx: any idea how it is with other linux distors? lets say its red hat..? |
| 01:16.01 | simmerz | ah i see. |
| 01:16.04 | karsten | !conslutants |
| 01:16.20 | abrotman | karsten: i can put your address in there |
| 01:16.23 | nanotube | centrx: is there any standard ? |
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| 01:16.26 | simmerz | thanks karsten and abrotman |
| 01:16.38 | karsten | simmerz: DOE. SF bay area is where I'm at, tends to be reasonably high. |
| 01:16.47 | abrotman | karsten: i think you need a new keyboard |
| 01:16.56 | cottim1 | Ben_jami1I am not a good linux user (fedora graphical). but I am looking into ltsp 5.0. |
| 01:17.01 | karsten | abrotman: You're too kind. |
| 01:17.02 | simmerz | ok |
| 01:17.08 | karsten | abrotman: No, that _wasn't_ a typo. |
| 01:17.11 | abrotman | simmerz: it honestly depends on the work and the locale |
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| 01:17.16 | abrotman | and your abilities |
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| 01:18.18 | karsten | ... and desperation (or lack) to find a gig. |
| 01:18.25 | simmerz | abrotman: abilities I would say are reasonably good. 4 years desktop/server experience with debian/ports based distros. |
| 01:18.39 | abrotman | simmerz: time matters not |
| 01:18.47 | simmerz | no true |
| 01:18.58 | karsten | simmerz: Janet Ruhl has a decent book (and corresponding website) on doing tech consulting. The SAGE sallary surveys are also pretty good guides, worldwide IIRC. |
| 01:19.14 | simmerz | ok thanks |
| 01:19.14 | abrotman | you can spend four years and not learn jack shit .. or a year and learn tons .. it depends on your desire to learn |
| 01:19.38 | lindenle | #openssh |
| 01:19.40 | abrotman | simmerz: just call a debian consultant in your area and find out what they charge |
| 01:19.42 | lindenle | sorry |
| 01:19.46 | karsten | ... and ability, and what you've been exposed to ... and whom. |
| 01:19.54 | simmerz | abrotman: that's a good idea |
| 01:20.04 | FrozenSpoon | "edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge"." Why does my sources.list not have anything marked woody at all? |
| 01:20.09 | abrotman | simmerz: but be upfront about why you're calling |
| 01:20.20 | simmerz | abrotman: fully intended to be |
| 01:20.26 | asg | FrozenSpoon: does it have 'stable' instead of 'woody'? |
| 01:20.27 | karsten | FrozenSpoon: "stable" perhaps? |
| 01:20.35 | FrozenSpoon | Yes stable |
| 01:20.45 | asg | FrozenSpoon: then change 'stable' to 'sarge' |
| 01:20.49 | simmerz | thanks for the suggestion. makes sense! |
| 01:20.55 | abrotman | asg: oldstable ? |
| 01:21.10 | cottim1 | Ben_Jami!: So, I am looking into debian and I am hendering from ubuntu since it is somewhat non-open, yet I am creating a lab for a non-profit org. so students can do homework and adults can learn to use a pc. Please excuse my rudeness (no debian experience) but can debian have the friendliness of ubuntu? Also, since ltsp 5.0 is compatible with debian, does that mean that any debian-based distro would be compatible too? |
| 01:21.15 | asg | abrotman: he's running woody, that's cruftystableornot |
| 01:21.26 | abrotman | oh yeah! |
| 01:21.29 | abrotman | crapstuff! |
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| 01:21.37 | asg | abrotman: I still have a woody box though |
| 01:21.51 | abrotman | asg: i'm sure mrs asg would rather not like to be called 'a box' |
| 01:22.07 | asg | abrotman: well, she sure doesn't go by lenny |
| 01:22.19 | abrotman | asg: get her a suit and tie! |
| 01:22.37 | karsten | Any way to get fetchmail to *not* generate these messages? fetchmail: Server certificate verification error: unable to get local issuer certificate |
| 01:22.54 | asg | abrotman: she could pull that off |
| 01:22.58 | abrotman | fix the cert |
| 01:23.13 | abrotman | asg: what if you call her Lenore ? |
| 01:23.16 | karsten | abrotman: Ain't gonna happen, sadly. |
| 01:23.32 | abrotman | karsten: kill the admin ? |
| 01:23.34 | asg | abrotman: dangerous territory there methinks |
| 01:23.46 | abrotman | asg: but it's a poem! |
| 01:23.50 | karsten | abrotman: We've got a slew of SSL-enabled hosts at $WORK with b0rken SSL certs. |
| 01:23.53 | karsten | abrotman: I'm tempted. |
| 01:24.01 | asg | abrotman: I know, and our housing complex is full of Poe references |
| 01:24.03 | karsten | abrotman: Mention this to the security team and they just sorta chuckle. |
| 01:24.05 | abrotman | karsten: oh .. |
| 01:24.13 | abrotman | asg: why? |
| 01:24.29 | abrotman | poe isn't from your town .. |
| 01:24.52 | asg | abrotman: apparently, it attracts rednecks |
| 01:24.56 | karsten | abrotman: ... therefore you aren't? |
| 01:25.03 | abrotman | karsten: a redneck ? |
| 01:25.13 | abrotman | asg: but it doesn't make sense |
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| 01:25.20 | abrotman | oh wait .. it's NC! |
| 01:25.28 | asg | abrotman: bingo |
| 01:25.51 | abrotman | poe was in the military ... |
| 01:25.54 | karsten | 18:24 * abrotman doesn't think |
| 01:26.11 | asg | abrotman: these are single family townhomes but the family across the street are either shapeshifters or there's 6 adults and 9 kids. |
| 01:26.17 | karsten | abrotman: non cogito, ergo ... |
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| 01:26.56 | abrotman | karsten: my joke was better! |
| 01:27.09 | abrotman | asg: maybe they live there in shifts? |
| 01:27.23 | karsten | ... so. |
| 01:27.35 | abrotman | and the yankees are losing! |
| 01:27.41 | karsten | abrotman: No, they wear pants and shirts just like anyone else. |
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| 01:27.57 | abrotman | they do ? |
| 01:27.58 | asg | abrotman: possible. They had a '#1 Dallas Cowboy Fan' hand-painted banner over the garage this weekend. NFC what that was about, nfc at all. |
| 01:28.18 | abrotman | asg: minicamp started ? |
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| 01:28.53 | dan2 | what is up with ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:28.56 | dan2 | asg: hey |
| 01:29.01 | asg | dan2: oh, hiya |
| 01:29.08 | abrotman | dan2: use a different mirror |
| 01:29.14 | abrotman | dan2: in your case .. use the psu one |
| 01:29.16 | asg | abrotman: you'd support minicamp with a banner? |
| 01:29.23 | karsten | dan2: It sucks. |
| 01:29.25 | dan2 | abrotman: you have the url for that? |
| 01:29.36 | dan2 | abrotman: the mirrors list is hosted on ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:29.41 | phogg | I know there's some program that will give me per-process bandwidth usage info and I know I have it installed and I know I installed it within the last three months. How can I identify it? |
| 01:29.45 | asg | !mirrors |
| 01:29.45 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 01:30.14 | asg | dan2: the www.debian.org/mirror/list link seems fine to me |
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| 01:31.01 | abrotman | carroll.aset.psu.edu /pub/linux/distributions/debian/ /pub/linux/distributions/debian/ alpha amd64 arm hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sparc |
| 01:31.09 | abrotman | parse it yourself! |
| 01:31.20 | dan2 | thanks |
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| 01:31.31 | abrotman | also the pair.com mirror works well |
| 01:31.46 | karsten | Hrm. Fetchmail and -sslcertpath... |
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| 01:33.48 | Ben_Jami1 | so.... |
| 01:34.01 | Ben_Jami1 | if I do an lsof on the firefox binary... the PID changes... wtf? |
| 01:34.08 | Ben_Jami1 | That's pretty crazy |
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| 01:34.38 | FrozenSpoon | I can't seem to apt-get install aptitude: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/.... I think I need to edit "stable" to "woody" before trying to do that??? |
| 01:35.06 | asg | FrozenSpoon: woody didn't include aptitude, iirc |
| 01:35.40 | asg | FrozenSpoon: or, you need to run 'apt-get update' |
| 01:37.08 | asg | FrozenSpoon: after changing 'stable' to 'woody' |
| 01:37.41 | FrozenSpoon | Yeah I did an apt-get update with it still as stable and I got some weird errors, let me try changing to woody |
| 01:37.48 | karsten | Feh. Any way to get the SSL cert associated with a POPD server? |
| 01:38.01 | karsten | Erm, technically imap. |
| 01:38.03 | abrotman | depends on the popd |
| 01:38.13 | abrotman | popd isn't technically imapd |
| 01:38.20 | karsten | MS Exchagne. |
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| 01:38.58 | phogg | For those keeping score the answer to my problem was to browse the results of: find /var/lib/dpkg/info/ -mtime +7 -mtime -90 -iname '*md5sums' -exec ls -lhtr {} + |
| 01:39.01 | karsten | fetchmail => exchange via IMAP protocol, ssl. Bad cert. Trying to d/l it locally so I don't see 360 "invalid cert" messages a day. |
| 01:40.01 | abrotman | phogg: there's a game on ? |
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| 01:41.34 | asg | karsten: you could always create a contact in Exchange to forward a copy of your mail to a sane mailer (granted, you periodically have to go and clean up exchange crap in outlook but it works in a pinch) |
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| 01:42.54 | FrozenSpoon | I changed stable to woody and tried to do an install and got: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/woody/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found I guess this means I need another mirror, but it's not clear from the list on the Debian site how to find/add that |
| 01:43.36 | karsten | asg: It works at present |
| 01:43.45 | asg | karsten: ah, fair enough |
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| 01:44.20 | karsten | asg: ... except for the cert bogosit. n Which I think I can re4solve by having a local version that I've blessed. |
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| 01:44.31 | asg | karsten: yeah |
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| 01:45.14 | abrotman | FrozenSpoon: archive.debian.org ? |
| 01:45.55 | FrozenSpoon | Yes good call. It seems that "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ woody main" worked perfectly |
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| 01:48.17 | ice799 | Hello - I've compiled the linux kernel successfully a few times before, but I am running into a kernel bug which other people (via google) have also run into. The solution is unclear from the information I've found from googling, but it is certainly an ata driver problem. On bootup, the kernel outputs the following message: ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0x00010177 and the kernel loops for a bit trying to bring up ata5 before giving u |
| 01:48.17 | ice799 | p and loading the rest of the system |
| 01:48.48 | ice799 | I have been unable to determine which modules are causing the problem -- I have the piix module built, but I am not building the ata_piix module (which supposedly was causing the problem for some other people) |
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| 01:49.41 | ice799 | any suggestions/hints/pointers/etc would be greatly appreciated. My system has several SATA drives which appear to work (the system mounts just fine), and 2 ATAPI cd-rom drives which are causing the trouble |
| 01:50.12 | ice799 | oh - My motherboard has an ICH7 chipset (if that helps at all). |
| 01:50.25 | krazykit | ice799, you're running 2.6.21 or 22? |
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| 01:50.57 | ice799 | krazykit, 2.6.21 |
| 01:51.38 | FrozenSpoon | alrighty guys, it's actually doing its thing now to sarge. thanks |
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| 01:52.06 | krazykit | ice799, oh, i see you're not building ata_piix. is that the experimental driver? |
| 01:52.39 | wols_ | ice799: what is used for PATA on your board? |
| 01:53.04 | ice799 | wols_, I have to check, but I think my board uses JMicron for PATA |
| 01:53.14 | ice799 | (I have an Asus P5W dh deluxe board) |
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| 01:53.56 | wols_ | afaik the JMicron drivers are knwn buggy |
| 01:54.02 | ice799 | krazykit, I'm not sure if ata_piix is the experiment driver -- I could NOT find it in the kernels menuconfig when I looked, but I saw that some people reported success by disabling that module |
| 01:54.05 | wols_ | or have issues |
| 01:54.21 | ice799 | so I just used find to look through /lib/modules/* to see if it was built |
| 01:54.23 | ice799 | and it was not. |
| 01:54.41 | krazykit | ice799, if you think it's jmicron, then ata_piix really oughtn't affect it. are you running sid? |
| 01:55.02 | krazykit | if so, does the 2.6.21 kernel exhibit this problem/ |
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| 01:55.19 | ice799 | krazykit, I am trying to build 2.6.21 |
| 01:55.32 | krazykit | i know |
| 01:55.34 | ice799 | krazykit, the kernel I was running when I was trying to build it was like 2.6.8 ot something |
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| 01:55.45 | ice799 | the kernel I boot when I tried to build the new kernel does NOT have this problem |
| 01:55.52 | krazykit | ice799, what are you running? sarge? |
| 01:56.03 | ice799 | krazykit, sid |
| 01:56.23 | krazykit | sid has 2.6.21. install that and see if there's the same problem |
| 01:56.40 | krazykit | just to make sure it's not a problem with your specific .config |
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| 01:57.30 | nhuisman_work | how does afs in debian do? |
| 01:57.32 | ice799 | krazykit, well I have a lot of data and the system is pretty well setup -- I really don't want to do a reinstall which may wipe my data. I am building the new kernel so I can get working wireless drivers. |
| 01:57.33 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.34 | nhuisman_work | very stable? |
| 01:57.43 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 01:57.57 | wols_ | ice799: those are no reasons to build a kernel |
| 01:58.18 | ice799 | wols_, sure it is, if support was added in a later version. |
| 01:58.34 | wols_ | 2.6.21 is available in sid, there is no "later version" |
| 01:58.56 | wols_ | kernel install has nothing to do with reinstalls. and for wireless no one needs to recompile a kernel |
| 01:59.07 | ice799 | wols_, you missed some of the conversation earlier - I am running 2.6.8 or so trying to build 2.6.21. When I boot 2.6.21 i get that ata error. |
| 01:59.33 | krazykit | ice799, no, when you boot YOUR 2.6.21 you get the ata error. try debian's kernel |
| 01:59.34 | wols_ | you said you run sid. sid has 2.6.21 available as a prebuilt kernel |
| 01:59.46 | ice799 | wols_, I am running sid from "before" |
| 02:00.07 | wols_ | that is not really "sid". and you really should upgrade |
| 02:00.46 | ice799 | wols_, Yeah I mean. Its hard to do that when yuo dont have wireless and hence no internet. |
| 02:01.01 | wols_ | you can still dpkg -i the new kernel (after you check there are no unmet depends manually of course) |
| 02:01.16 | ice799 | krazykit, do you know if there is a place I can download that kernel pre-built so I can just try it without actually doing an install like you originally suggested |
| 02:01.28 | wols_ | !pdo |
| 02:01.28 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 02:02.07 | ice799 | wols_, Yeah, obviously. I was hoping some one would suggest the package name to make my search easier. |
| 02:02.18 | wols_ | !tell ice799 about search |
| 02:02.44 | wols_ | there are several 2.6.21 images. how would we know which one you need? |
| 02:02.50 | ice799 | !tell wols_ about not being a dick |
| 02:03.20 | wols_ | nice attitude to people who try to help you |
| 02:03.21 | krazykit | ice799, linux-image is what you want. and don't be a tool to someone trying to help |
| 02:03.22 | abrotman | !tell ice799 about botabuse |
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| 02:11.12 | Rodrigolouvar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.17 | abrotman | please don't |
| 02:11.21 | krazykit | Rodrigolouvar, don't spam your scripts |
| 02:11.26 | krazykit | we don't care |
| 02:11.32 | abrotman | Rodrigolouvar: asshat |
| 02:11.45 | Rodrigolouvar | ok |
| 02:11.56 | abrotman | i bet no one anywhere in the world cares |
| 02:12.09 | Rodrigolouvar | afff |
| 02:12.13 | abrotman | !br |
| 02:12.13 | wols_ | abrotman: I do care that he keeps the shit to himself |
| 02:12.14 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:12.32 | Rodrigolouvar | ok |
| 02:12.35 | Rodrigolouvar | :) |
| 02:12.38 | Rodrigolouvar | perdão |
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| 02:14.37 | wols_ | sometimes I don't know who is worse. .br or .sg |
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| 02:15.03 | abrotman | i bet if we let them merge .. they'd just annoy the hell out of each other and leave us alone |
| 02:15.17 | abrotman | and they took rima with them! |
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| 02:16.04 | troubledtwo | is thei an easy way to change resoultions in X |
| 02:16.16 | wols_ | rima is a world wide isp (former spanish colonies not just spain) no? |
| 02:16.25 | wols_ | !drxx |
| 02:16.26 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 02:18.28 | troubledtwo | i dont want to reconfigure the whole server i just want to switch from 1024x768 to 1280@1024 |
| 02:18.35 | wols_ | amd that's a way that always works |
| 02:18.45 | abrotman | wols_: honestly .. i don't know .. and don't care .. they can have turkey too :) |
| 02:19.09 | wols_ | abrotman: wow, we two are _really- prejudiced :) |
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| 02:19.36 | abrotman | i have my reasons! |
| 02:19.48 | abrotman | they can have the country of ubuntu too! |
| 02:20.05 | troubledtwo | ugh - that distribution makes me sick |
| 02:20.12 | wols_ | ubuntu isn't too bad: known quantity to deal with mostly |
| 02:20.29 | wols_ | the users of all the little shits distros based on debian, especially live cds are worse |
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| 02:20.38 | abrotman | wols_: i'm kidding .. but we get a few bad apples from everywhere |
| 02:20.58 | wols_ | ewll, yes, I'm the bad german apple :) |
| 02:21.01 | gravity | troubledtwo: xrandr |
| 02:21.21 | abrotman | wols_: didn't they ban the alicedsl.de or whatever itis ? |
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| 02:21.23 | troubledtwo | thxs gravity |
| 02:21.24 | abrotman | for a bit anyways |
| 02:21.29 | gravity | gnome (and I assume kde) have applets to help if you don't want to use the console |
| 02:21.36 | gravity | I don't know if anyone else has written a frontend |
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| 02:21.47 | wols_ | I thought I've seen alicedsl users here in the hostmask |
| 02:21.52 | gravity | That might be a fun little project |
| 02:22.03 | wols_ | kinda like they sorta banned turkey? |
| 02:22.31 | abrotman | yeah :) |
| 02:22.58 | wols_ | if xrandr is loaded, cltr+alt+numpad plus should do the trick |
| 02:23.03 | abrotman | gravity: i'll buy you a *real* beer if you do it with Ada-gtk bindings! |
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| 02:23.15 | gravity | abrotman: I was actually thinking about learning ada the other day |
| 02:23.24 | gravity | Realistically, I'd write it in ruby or haskell |
| 02:23.37 | abrotman | gravity: i have a book here on it .. it matches a pascal book i also have (same structure etc .. ) .. but i've never read either |
| 02:23.41 | gravity | hehe |
| 02:23.51 | gravity | abrotman: There's a ton of ada stuff on the web. I was surprised. |
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| 02:24.11 | gravity | God, the outline for this talk is already 118 lines long |
| 02:24.12 | abrotman | gravity: the people that love it (crazy as they may be) really love it |
| 02:24.25 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, but you find people like that for every language |
| 02:24.39 | abrotman | gravity: i've found no one like that for brainfuck :) |
| 02:24.43 | abrotman | or whitespace |
| 02:26.01 | gravity | Ha! |
| 02:26.01 | wols_ | abrotman: what? pascal or Ada |
| 02:26.01 | abrotman | wols_: the Ada people |
| 02:26.01 | abrotman | it has some interesting ideas |
| 02:26.01 | wols_ | abrotman: aren't thy all just minions of the military-industrial complex? |
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| 02:26.02 | abrotman | ah .. no |
| 02:26.02 | qiyong | !ops |
| 02:26.02 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 02:26.02 | abrotman | qiyong: got a problem ? |
| 02:26.12 | qiyong | abrotman, there's a bot in this chann, it got kicked in another chann i just noticed |
| 02:26.18 | abrotman | so what? |
| 02:26.30 | abrotman | is it staying quiet here ? |
| 02:26.37 | qiyong | abrotman, it never answer, they think it's a email harvester |
| 02:26.48 | abrotman | so what is it ? |
| 02:26.57 | qiyong | ircminer03, |
| 02:27.29 | abrotman | qiyong: you'd probably do better to report it to staff |
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| 02:28.03 | qiyong | abrotman, to ops? |
| 02:28.17 | wols_ | no, network staff of freenode |
| 02:28.32 | qiyong | how to call them? |
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| 02:29.02 | abrotman | qiyong: /stats p .. msg that staffer that is on duty |
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| 02:34.17 | abrotman | qiyong: did you get them ? |
| 02:34.25 | qiyong | abrotman, yeah |
| 02:34.44 | abrotman | qiyong: anything useful come of it ? |
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| 02:36.14 | qiyong | abrotman, <quux> that tells us it is a silent person-or-bot, but not that it is malicious |
| 02:36.41 | abrotman | and he's right |
| 02:37.08 | wols_ | are people really handing out mail addyys in public irc channels? |
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| 02:37.12 | qiyong | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.17 | abrotman | wols_: some people do i suppose |
| 02:37.41 | abrotman | qiyong: or perhaps try later .. see if a different staffer has a different opinion |
| 02:38.27 | qiyong | <quux> qiyong: we can't take disciplinary actions on a networkwide basis because 'we guess' |
| 02:38.48 | abrotman | wols_: look at qiyong's hostmask .. that could be a legit email addy |
| 02:39.26 | qiyong | err |
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| 02:39.28 | qiyong | too bad |
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| 02:41.46 | abrotman | qiyong: or perhaps try later .. see if a different staffer has a different opinion |
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| 02:42.04 | qiyong | abrotman, ok, this seems a decision on chann ops |
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| 02:42.13 | abchirk | What was to to do with gpg when I made aptitude update and get the error that my PUBkey isnt right? |
| 02:42.25 | abrotman | /topic |
| 02:42.25 | qiyong | <quux> but without any conclusive evidence all we can do is recommend channel ops act as merits suggest |
| 02:42.35 | abchirk | I messaged dpkg for gpg but only tells me about normal gpg |
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| 02:42.54 | abchirk | ah th |
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| 02:45.11 | slacker403 | anyone here ever used awstats ? |
| 02:45.12 | abchirk | yes |
| 02:45.13 | qiyong | ircminer03 staff@freenode.net |
| 02:45.18 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:45.38 | abchirk | Mh I still get same error, I have done all what dpkg said. :) |
| 02:45.50 | abchirk | gpg: requesting key 2D230C5F from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net |
| 02:45.50 | abchirk | gpg: key 2D230C5F: "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" not changed |
| 02:46.06 | abrotman | apt-get updat e? |
| 02:46.18 | abchirk | yes |
| 02:46.30 | abrotman | full text of error! |
| 02:46.43 | abchirk | W: GPG error: http://debian-multimedia.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 02:46.43 | abchirk | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 02:47.20 | abrotman | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 02:47.20 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 02:47.31 | abrotman | abchirk: or read the faq at that website |
| 02:48.00 | abchirk | Ah thx now its ok..dont know why but thx :) |
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| 02:48.11 | abchirk | slacker403 what is your question? |
| 02:49.21 | abrotman | thus the conversation between the 'ab's ends ... |
| 02:49.49 | abchirk | Hehe, but still no flash for 64bit :( |
| 02:50.21 | krazykit | swfdec or gnash play at least youtube now, though, don't they? |
| 02:51.06 | abrotman | !flash |
| 02:51.06 | dpkg | methinks flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 02:51.06 | abrotman | oh wait .. maybe it's |
| 02:51.06 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 02:51.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper |
| 02:51.06 | slacker403 | abchirk: wondering if awstats also gets mail traffic |
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| 02:51.06 | krazykit | flash is lame anyway. browsing is more pleasant without it |
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| 02:51.32 | abchirk | Mh maybe, but there is nothing good as watch some youtube videos after some programing ;) |
| 02:51.32 | GaiaX11 | how do I change the default media player (totem) in etch? |
| 02:52.02 | Guerin | GaiaX11: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org - it's not a debian preference |
| 02:52.08 | abchirk | Yes, and the nspluginwrapper doesnt work too :( |
| 02:52.18 | abchirk | But maybe I retry it |
| 02:52.20 | abrotman | GaiaX11: right click on the file and go to preferenes .. try the open with tab |
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| 02:52.24 | GaiaX11 | Guerin: Thx. |
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| 02:52.40 | abchirk | slacker403 mh only use it for apache stats. |
| 02:52.41 | Guerin | there's a free flash implementation which reputedly does youtube without all the evil crashiness of macdobedia |
| 02:52.49 | Guerin | i haven't bothered |
| 02:52.49 | abrotman | Guerin: gnash |
| 02:53.03 | Guerin | abrotman: gnash didn't, last I tried. I think libswf does. |
| 02:53.34 | cast | i just download it and use mplayer |
| 02:53.38 | GaiaX11 | abrotman: the problem is that when it is a file in the browser it is not possible. |
| 02:53.39 | abrotman | eh .. i seem to recall reading a post somewhere about gnash doing youtube .. but whatever |
| 02:53.47 | abrotman | GaiaX11: depends on your browser |
| 02:53.58 | Guerin | abrotman: perhaps it learnt to in the past couple months |
| 02:54.02 | GaiaX11 | abrotman: I will see |
| 02:54.19 | abrotman | GaiaX11: if you use a browser that works iwth gnome .. it should work AIUI |
| 02:54.33 | GaiaX11 | But I want this change to be system wide |
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| 02:54.50 | abrotman | leave your poor users alone! |
| 02:55.39 | dniel | when i install debian, jump the flowing error: MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC |
| 02:55.45 | dniel | what is it? |
| 02:56.10 | abrotman | sounds like a kernel issue |
| 02:56.23 | Guerin | dniel: try booting with noapic |
| 02:56.33 | Guerin | or nolapic |
| 02:56.36 | Guerin | i forget which |
| 02:56.55 | slacker403 | abchirk: huh ? i use lighttpd with it and i was just curious if it logged mail stuff |
| 02:56.55 | dniel | Guerin, yes. I do it. And it run Ok |
| 02:57.06 | Guerin | dniel: bravo. You win. |
| 02:57.32 | dniel | Guerin, but i don't understand what is that. And it is normal? |
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| 02:58.14 | Guerin | dniel: some hardware is very buggy. That's normally the reason. |
| 02:59.13 | dniel | Guerin, and if i probe another kernel? |
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| 02:59.50 | Guerin | dniel: probe? |
| 03:00.55 | dniel | Guerin, I'm argentinian, and i don't speak a good English :( |
| 03:01.13 | cast | dniel: don't worry, there are lots of americans here too :) |
| 03:01.23 | Guerin | dniel: i doubt using another kernel would help. But your English is fine :) |
| 03:01.23 | Azar | dniel: you ment "try another kernel" |
| 03:01.29 | Guerin | !cast++ |
| 03:02.36 | FernandoMM | Hello, could someone recommend me a tutorial to make a ssh jail on etch? |
| 03:02.43 | dniel | Azar, yes. JAJAJ! |
| 03:02.52 | Azar | :) |
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| 03:03.03 | dniel | Azar, thanks! :D |
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| 03:05.43 | slacker403 | FernandoMM: what exactly are you trying to do ? |
| 03:07.46 | FernandoMM | slacker403: i'll have some users acessing my server with ssh. I just want to keep them on their home and doesn't let them "explore" the system or other user's home. |
| 03:08.19 | Guerin | FernandoMM: make homedirs u+g; forget about the rest |
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| 03:08.30 | _Nielsen | like chmod 700 /home/* |
| 03:08.31 | _Nielsen | ? |
| 03:08.32 | Guerin | FernandoMM: trying to jail ssh users is pointless and stupid. |
| 03:08.44 | Guerin | _Nielsen: crude, but it will work. |
| 03:09.17 | FernandoMM | Guerin: why is it stupid? |
| 03:09.20 | Guerin | !chroot ssh |
| 03:09.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ssh chroot is Stop. Read http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 03:09.32 | Guerin | FernandoMM: for the reasons described in that message |
| 03:09.49 | troubledone | okay why would a video card and monitor setup capable of 1280x1024x32@60 hz in windows only be capable of 1280X1024X32@75hz in linux |
| 03:10.13 | Guerin | troubledone: um ... that's better. |
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| 03:10.23 | troubledone | i dont understand why xorg allowed the overclock |
| 03:10.31 | cast | is it a lcd? |
| 03:10.32 | Nielsen | troubledone: play around with modelines then |
| 03:10.35 | troubledone | yes it is |
| 03:10.42 | Guerin | troubledone: refresh is irrelevant, then |
| 03:10.43 | cast | then 75 sounds normalish |
| 03:10.50 | Azar | troubledone: the linux drivers are not same as drivers coded for windows |
| 03:11.29 | cast | the refresh for lcd does represent something though doesn't it? how often the picture gets sent to the monitor right? |
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| 03:11.47 | troubledone | correct 75 hz is 75 times a second |
| 03:11.52 | Guerin | cast: it makes nothing like the same difference as a crt |
| 03:12.16 | Guerin | in fact |
| 03:12.29 | Guerin | i think the refresh rates on a lcd are actually fixed |
| 03:12.32 | TUplink_ | 60 HZ hurts my eyes |
| 03:12.33 | Azar | troubledone: you say that the 60hz setting is not available in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 03:12.37 | Guerin | and the rate displayed is just a meaningless number |
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| 03:12.41 | Clinton__ | !compile |
| 03:12.41 | dpkg | tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg |
| 03:12.44 | Guerin | but I'm prepared to be corrected there |
| 03:12.51 | Clinton__ | !gcc |
| 03:12.51 | dpkg | well, gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection. see http://gcc.gnu.org/ or #gcc |
| 03:12.51 | TUplink_ | you can change the refresh rate on LCD.s |
| 03:12.58 | Guerin | Clinton__: /msg the bot |
| 03:13.11 | troubledone | not available at any setting with ati drivers if i use vesa drivers it will allow a 60hz setting |
| 03:13.12 | Guerin | TUplink_: but does it make a difference to the display? |
| 03:13.12 | Clinton__ | Is there a meta package for bringing in libraries to compile programs? |
| 03:13.20 | Guerin | Clinton__: build-essential |
| 03:13.26 | Clinton__ | Guerin thx |
| 03:13.43 | TUplink_ | yes.... like i said 60 HZ hurts my eyes 70 does not |
| 03:13.55 | Guerin | Clinton__: nwrieszlol |
| 03:14.04 | Azar | troubledone: then is ati drivers (not the linux-for-ati drivers) at fault. Complain to ATI |
| 03:14.07 | Guerin | TUplink_: hm, ok. |
| 03:14.12 | cast | TUplink_: with crt, sure |
| 03:14.20 | TUplink_ | im on a LCD |
| 03:14.38 | cast | TUplink_: oh. |
| 03:15.15 | Clinton__ | Argh, ok, how can I figure out which packages are needed to compile when ./configure complains that I'm missing libraries? |
| 03:15.39 | Guerin | Clinton__: it tells you which files. /msg dpkg search. Or use auto-apt |
| 03:15.40 | TUplink_ | make depend in freebsd dont know about debian |
| 03:15.48 | Azar | troubledone: ati wrote drivers for linux, but they are proprietary, Debian has its own free video drivers packages, not so fancy, but free |
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| 03:16.07 | Guerin | Clinton__: what are you compiling? |
| 03:16.29 | troubledone | azar where do i find debian drivers |
| 03:16.31 | Clinton__ | Guerin pidgin |
| 03:17.16 | Azar | troubledone: for ati, not sure, never used ati, Guerin might know better how to install a precompiled driver for ati |
| 03:17.16 | Guerin | Clinton__: add a deb-src line to sources.list and run apt-get build-dep pidgin (or failing that, build-dep gaim) |
| 03:17.22 | slacker403 | FernandoMM: JAILIGN FOR SUCH A SIMPLE THING IS STUPID |
| 03:17.27 | slacker403 | sorrry caps |
| 03:17.33 | Clinton__ | Guerin alrigh |
| 03:17.42 | Guerin | the `ati' and `radeon' drives are in X by default - I know nothing about them, however. |
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| 03:18.20 | troubledone | which tool do i use to check and make sure i have the latest drivers for all of my system - does debian have something like windows update |
| 03:18.22 | cast | FWIW i suggest vserver over chroot :) |
| 03:18.28 | Azar | troubledone: http://michael.susens-schurter.com/blog/2006/11/20/installing-fglrx-ati-drivers-in-debian-etch/ |
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| 03:18.36 | troubledone | thxs azar |
| 03:18.38 | El-aLEX | hello, I have a problem when installing beryl in debian testing. it says to me that there is problem with dbus |
| 03:18.45 | Guerin | Clinton__: also consider using checkinstall instead of manual builds, which can hurt your debian system if not done right |
| 03:18.53 | troubledone | el-alex are you in single mode |
| 03:18.54 | Guerin | El-aLEX: #beryl |
| 03:19.02 | El-aLEX | okey gracias |
| 03:19.06 | El-aLEX | thank you |
| 03:19.16 | Azar | troubledone: in debianworld "latest" means untested-unstable-buggy. Debian uses well tested drivers that usually are not the latest |
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| 03:20.44 | troubledone | good to know azar |
| 03:21.07 | Azar | yeah we eat the stakes "well done" rather than "rare or medium-rare" :) |
| 03:21.52 | Azar | the steaks** |
| 03:22.00 | Azar | Guerin: what did you catched on the fishing day? |
| 03:22.07 | nevyn | see I like my steak blue.. |
| 03:22.11 | nevyn | hence unstable :) |
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| 03:22.23 | Azar | nevyn: you like it bloody |
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| 03:22.25 | Guerin | nevyn: unwise when the steak is mystery meat, which most software essentially is |
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| 03:22.48 | coldsteal | does debian have /etc/acpi/events/ |
| 03:23.36 | Guerin | coldsteal: mine does |
| 03:23.36 | Azar | ahhhhhhh duck is my most favorite: roasted duck in china town |
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| 03:23.37 | blem_deb | will X11 forwarding create a new login/shell for the user or will i just foward the already logged in session? |
| 03:23.37 | Guerin | Azar: caught kahawai, some red cod, a gurnard which we returned |
| 03:23.46 | Guerin | Azar: car fell apart on the way home - too much offroadin' |
| 03:23.56 | Azar | mannnnn what a pitty |
| 03:24.13 | Guerin | yeh, i have to take it to get the muffler replaced tonight |
| 03:24.24 | Azar | my fish didn't died on a 5 hour road back home I had to kill it at home in the kitchen sink |
| 03:24.25 | Guerin | drove the last 100km home sounding like boy racers |
| 03:24.52 | Guerin | fish are incrtedibly resilient - eels are even tougher |
| 03:25.00 | Guerin | those fuckers are bulletproof |
| 03:25.03 | Azar | my g/f cried in the bathroom while I was killing it |
| 03:25.36 | coldsteal | dam ubuntu diesnt have the right dirs |
| 03:25.37 | nhuisman_work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:26.16 | Guerin | nhuisman_work: beer fridge |
| 03:26.16 | Azar | nhuisman_work: don't share your private company secrets here |
| 03:26.38 | Azar | oh yes, I have one more beer left! yesss |
| 03:26.45 | nhuisman_work | Azar, laugh |
| 03:26.50 | Azar | :) |
| 03:26.51 | nhuisman_work | i have a beer fridge |
| 03:26.53 | nhuisman_work | in my office |
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| 03:26.58 | nhuisman_work | more like a soda fridge but yeah. |
| 03:27.24 | nhuisman_work | I have remote power strips, serial over ip, kvm over ip, environmental monitoring already |
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| 03:27.41 | Weems | how do I enable font anti-aliasing? |
| 03:27.50 | Guerin | Weems: it's enabled by default. |
| 03:27.54 | Azar | the bathroom and the office (at my work) are the only places where I am not using the PC for personal issues |
| 03:27.54 | Weems | hmm |
| 03:28.10 | Weems | the font in ubuntu just looks small and ugly ;( |
| 03:28.15 | Weems | I mean debian |
| 03:28.16 | Weems | lol |
| 03:28.17 | Weems | :p |
| 03:28.20 | Guerin | ... |
| 03:28.20 | Azar | hey move on Debian |
| 03:28.57 | Weems | so can I make the font look better? |
| 03:29.10 | Azar | yes, replace ubuntu with debian |
| 03:29.22 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 03:29.22 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 03:29.29 | Guerin | Weems: that might work |
| 03:29.45 | nhuisman_work | wow check it out |
| 03:29.46 | nhuisman_work | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/896a/ |
| 03:30.22 | Guerin | nhuisman_work: oh! Issue everyone a usb nerf-missile launcher |
| 03:30.29 | nhuisman_work | hehe |
| 03:30.36 | nhuisman_work | everyone = me |
| 03:30.50 | Guerin | oh :( |
| 03:31.00 | Guerin | http://www.x-tremegeek.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?productID=13430 |
| 03:31.05 | Guerin | i know a guy who has one |
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| 03:31.15 | Guerin | he uses it in lieu of email to summon his minions |
| 03:31.27 | Guerin | has the co-ordinates for each of his minions programmed into it |
| 03:31.43 | Guerin | he's dreaming about making it voice-activated |
| 03:31.49 | nhuisman_work | holy crap |
| 03:32.15 | Guerin | or so he claims |
| 03:32.27 | Guerin | i don't work on the same continent as him, so it's hard to verify |
| 03:32.28 | unimatrix | that saves 3 or 4 viagras? |
| 03:32.43 | Azar | not very fan of thinkgeek... since a friend wanted as a gift a keyboard without letters on it... didnt think was much of it |
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| 03:34.48 | xbaez | hi ! |
| 03:35.02 | mcquaid | is there anything to script mouse movements? like move mouse to x,y, press left click, wait 10 etc |
| 03:35.02 | xbaez | someone know if beryl is already in SID _ |
| 03:35.09 | mcquaid | i found xmacro but it seems pretty clunky |
| 03:35.19 | Guerin | xbaez: wtf is SID? |
| 03:35.28 | Guerin | xbaez: and /msg dpkg search |
| 03:35.37 | xbaez | sid sorry |
| 03:36.07 | Azar | hey, a new Emacs is out.... like I care, I use vi |
| 03:36.52 | centrx | WHO CARES SHUTTUP |
| 03:36.57 | centrx | don't even mention it |
| 03:37.06 | Guerin | someone has sand in their craw |
| 03:37.07 | Azar | hehe |
| 03:37.22 | xbaez | mmh there is no package |
| 03:37.34 | Azar | he is having a heartache over emacs |
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| 03:38.16 | qiyong | how to verify the integrity of a package or file? |
| 03:38.40 | Guerin | qiyong: package MD5s are signed; for files or what's installed, use debsums |
| 03:38.59 | Guerin | qiyong: note that most legitimate apt archives automatically check signatures. |
| 03:39.11 | Guerin | err, apt check, for most |
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| 03:43.16 | mcquaid | there's a bazilion of these on the winblows side, can't find one with a gui for linux |
| 03:43.22 | qiyong | Guerin, is there a command debsums? |
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| 03:43.28 | qiyong | Guerin, and apt-check? |
| 03:43.35 | mcquaid | i just need to automate some mouse clicks and be able to loop them |
| 03:44.09 | qiyong | it should be the default install Guerin |
| 03:45.13 | slacker403 | how do i go from sarge to etch 4.0 ? |
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| 03:45.35 | Guerin | !debsums |
| 03:45.35 | dpkg | somebody said debsums was a package that will check a packages files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files. |
| 03:45.51 | Guerin | slacker403: read the install guide |
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| 03:47.26 | slacker403 | disto --update |
| 03:47.27 | slacker403 | or something |
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| 03:48.48 | qiyong | what command to check what package /srv belongs to? |
| 03:49.34 | thingfish | slacker403: I think you want dist-upgrade |
| 03:50.47 | slacker403 | yera |
| 03:50.49 | Guerin | slacker403: don't guess. I know you're a slacker, but try just once to use google for something other than porn. |
| 03:51.01 | thingfish | hehe |
| 03:51.02 | slacker403 | lol |
| 03:51.07 | Guerin | qiyong: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:51.07 | slacker403 | slacker == slackware |
| 03:51.16 | thingfish | eww |
| 03:51.25 | Guerin | slackware isn't that bad |
| 03:51.27 | slacker403 | slackware is good |
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| 03:51.33 | Guerin | as long as you only have one box to maintain |
| 03:51.36 | metbsd | debian is just better |
| 03:51.52 | qiyong | Guerin, dpkg -S doesn't always work |
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| 03:52.08 | thingfish | you're right - I was just thinking to myself, that really, the three most important linuxes are slackware, debian, and redhat/fedora |
| 03:52.13 | Guerin | qiyong: some things aren't included in a package, but may be created by an install-time script |
| 03:52.21 | Guerin | qiyong: so they won't always show up |
| 03:52.29 | thingfish | maybe "important" isn't the right word, but... |
| 03:52.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:53.04 | Sweetandy | hey how do I get dpkg to be nice enough to give me package info? |
| 03:53.16 | Guerin | i just think to myself `some people pay good money to have a car which sounds like this' |
| 03:53.30 | Guerin | Sweetandy: aptitude show? |
| 03:54.04 | thingfish | hehe Guerin my honda was like that not long ago, for several months |
| 03:54.24 | qiyong | Guerin, i get tons of debsums: no md5sums for |
| 03:54.32 | Guerin | qiyong: it happens. |
| 03:54.33 | thingfish | the muffler was shot, but it sounded like those exhaust kits the kids put on their hondas and pay good money for. |
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| 03:54.42 | Sweetandy | Guerin: being used currently for a big update 8 / |
| 03:54.45 | qiyong | Guerin, and debsums: checksum mismatch |
| 03:55.36 | Sweetandy | Guerin: Oh, and I mean dpkg the user on irc |
| 03:55.36 | Sweetandy | Guerin, the bot |
| 03:56.57 | xbaez | why beryl is not in debian sid :-( |
| 03:57.18 | thingfish | xbaez: it's very easy to get, for etch at least |
| 03:57.22 | cp1134 | when you use dpkg -l what do the ii or rc to the left of teh name mean? i didn't see this in hte dpkg man page |
| 03:57.26 | thingfish | I think for sid as well |
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| 03:58.31 | Azar | omg I love this bgimage for my debian x, the coolest I seen so far : http://debcentral.org/uploads/photos/54.jpg |
| 03:58.56 | xbaez | thingfish, with wich repository? this deb http://debian.beryl-project.org/ etch main |
| 03:58.56 | xbaez | deb-src http://debian.beryl-project.org/ etch main |
| 03:59.32 | thingfish | xbaez: looks right - use the instructions dpkg points you to when you /msg dpkg beryl |
| 04:01.28 | xbaez | thingfish, ok thanks |
| 04:01.50 | thingfish | sure thing |
| 04:02.03 | hark | might not work for sid |
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| 04:02.26 | thingfish | I'm thinking they have instructions for sid as well, but I"m not real sure on that |
| 04:02.36 | thingfish | I've only used the ones for etch. |
| 04:03.03 | xbaez | they say this Debian Unstable distribution |
| 04:03.04 | xbaez | As of January 11th, 2007 beryl has been submitted for upload to Debian unstable. This will take a week to appear on the mirrors and will contain the beryl 0.1.4 release ONLY. |
| 04:03.08 | hark | i remember someone earlier with this problem (because of the libc6 update in sid) |
| 04:03.21 | thingfish | that's right, I remember now xbaex |
| 04:03.28 | thingfish | *xbaez |
| 04:03.33 | xbaez | is because i don't understand why if i type apt-cache search beryl not appear nothing |
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| 04:04.22 | xbaez | mmh i see |
| 04:04.40 | xbaez | maybe i should wait ... |
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| 04:05.06 | Wyzard | xbaez: It may have been submitted, but for whatever reason, Beryl is not in Debian |
| 04:05.52 | puff | How do you reset what keyboard type you're using? |
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| 04:06.30 | thingfish | xbaez: not a bad idea. It's pretty rough on etch. |
| 04:06.35 | Azar | long live dpkg! :) http://vihang007.googlepages.com/debian.html |
| 04:06.54 | puff | What settings would cause my ssh server to kill connections after 5-10 minutes idle time? |
| 04:06.59 | xbaez | Wyzard, yes |
| 04:07.21 | Azar | good evening night crew, honorable thingfish, and Wyzard |
| 04:07.28 | hark | Azar: heh, i think that's cydork's site there :) |
| 04:07.39 | Azar | hark: I think so too :) |
| 04:07.43 | Azar | good keeper |
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| 04:08.00 | Wyzard | hehe... if I'm considered "night crew", that's another sign that I need to stop staying up so late :-) |
| 04:08.08 | xbaez | thingfish, i see well thanks |
| 04:08.38 | Azar | Wyzard: I can see when the shifts are changing... |
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| 04:10.41 | thingfish | you too, Azar |
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| 04:13.30 | hark | Azar: http://cydork.mine.nu/~vihang/dpkg/debian.html |
| 04:13.31 | thingfish | xbaez: I mean it's still usable and somewhat enjoyable, but it's got some rough edges. |
| 04:14.07 | hark | Azar: and this http://cydork.mine.nu/~vihang/test/debian.xul |
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| 04:14.58 | Wyzard | Hey, cool, I didn't know it was possible to load XUL files off the web like that |
| 04:14.59 | Wyzard | nifty |
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| 04:46.56 | TolstoyInlove | Azar, are you iranian? |
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| 04:49.50 | maddash | !vi |
| 04:49.50 | dpkg | hmm... vi is said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 04:50.28 | maddash | vim is fucking 24+MB |
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| 04:59.39 | karsten | maddash: 1.4mMB here. |
| 04:59.53 | karsten | ... and hellatious lag. |
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| 05:03.55 | maddash | er, is that 1.4*10^6 MB? |
| 05:04.08 | maddash | karsten: ^^ |
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| 05:06.09 | maddash | woohoo, goodbye, nano...hello, fte! |
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| 05:08.41 | timthelion | hmm, I found a bug in xmodmap, (I'm pretty sure I did at least) do I report that through debian? |
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| 05:08.55 | diclophis | hello all |
| 05:09.15 | diclophis | anyone remember the music video with a chick in her panties in a post party scene |
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| 05:10.26 | maddash | wow. fte kicks ass |
| 05:10.33 | maddash | goodbye, leafpad. |
| 05:10.45 | karsten | maddash: No. |
| 05:11.00 | karsten | diclophis: Oh yeah, _that_ one. |
| 05:11.09 | karsten | diclophis: And this relates to Debian how? |
| 05:11.37 | maddash | diclophis: go on. |
| 05:11.48 | karsten | maddash: Maybe she's that chick? |
| 05:12.00 | maddash | karsten: she's a guy? |
| 05:12.13 | diclophis | i am just looking for people who might know the video |
| 05:12.19 | maddash | karsten: which vi package do you have installed? |
| 05:12.19 | diclophis | it was from the late-mid 90s |
| 05:12.24 | diclophis | maybe a one hit wonder |
| 05:12.33 | karsten | diclophis: This is pretty much totally off topic. |
| 05:12.35 | diclophis | the chick looked similar to alanis morrisette |
| 05:12.51 | diclophis | well, if there are any more pressing issues, feel free to concern yourself with them |
| 05:12.58 | diclophis | rtight now, this is what i am concerned with |
| 05:13.07 | diclophis | i need to know the answer |
| 05:13.17 | karsten | maddash: vim vim-common vim-runtime |
| 05:13.36 | karsten | diclophis: /join #debian-offtopic |
| 05:13.38 | diclophis | and googiling for "panties music video" isnt helping |
| 05:14.07 | yoshio | timthelion: you can report it, see http://bugs.debian.org. xmodmap is in the package xbase-clients . the Debian maintainer will forward it upstream if necessary |
| 05:14.11 | stew | diclophis: please keep it on-topic |
| 05:14.35 | diclophis | 10-4 |
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| 05:15.01 | maddash | karsten: vim is fecking 24.5M over here... |
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| 05:15.03 | yoshio | timthelion: if you install the reportbug package, that makes it easy |
| 05:16.26 | maddash | karsten: s/vim/vim-runtime/ |
| 05:16.33 | karsten | maddash: I think the total package size is larger, binary itself is 1.4MB. |
| 05:16.50 | maddash | karsten: yep. |
| 05:16.56 | karsten | maddash: Amusing though that it's 3x "eight megs and constantly swapping". |
| 05:17.10 | timthelion | yoshio: ok |
| 05:18.25 | karsten | So, if I've got an SSL key, and fetchmail complains about not knowing, IIRC, the issuer key, is there any way to find out what that is and get it? |
| 05:18.54 | karsten | Msg: "unable to get local issuer certificate" (from fetchmail). |
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| 05:20.01 | Wyzard | karsten: Is the certificate not self-signed? |
| 05:20.08 | karsten | http://www.openssl.org/support/faq.html#USER5 describes the problem but not the solution. |
| 05:20.54 | karsten | Wyzard: it's sorta self-signed, this is an internal server at work. |
| 05:21.04 | Wyzard | That shouldn't happen with a self-signed certificate |
| 05:21.24 | karsten | I don't know enough about SSL to be able to answer that. |
| 05:21.32 | Wyzard | A normal (non-self-signed) certificate is signed by some *other* certificate, belonging to the organization that issued it |
| 05:21.55 | Wyzard | maybe your company's IT department, or maybe some external certificate authority like Verisign |
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| 05:22.51 | Wyzard | The signature represents that other organization's assertion that this certificate really belongs to the party whose name is on it, and not to some impostor |
| 05:22.51 | karsten | Wyzard: I did an 'openssl s_client -connect <mailserver:993>' and have a dump, issuer=/C=US/ST=California/L=San Jose/O=<$FIRM>OU=Information Security Services/CN=Cadence Enterprise CA1/emailAddress=security-services@$FIRM.com |
| 05:22.51 | Wyzard | Fetchmail needs that other certificate to check the signature |
| 05:22.51 | karsten | Wyzard: Yeah, it's us. |
| 05:23.37 | Wyzard | You need to obtain that other certificate and provide it to fetchmail as a trusted root |
| 05:23.49 | maddash | feck. my each time I open a new rxvt, there's a long delay (~2s) between the time the window shows up and when I can finally issue commands. I've traced the problem back to '. /etc/bash_completion' in my ~/.bashrc. bash completion is quite useful, so I don't want to remove it entirely -- is there any way to optimize it? |
| 05:23.51 | karsten | Is there any automated way to get it given the first cert? Is this just a case of needing to dump the issuer cert into a directory somewhere? |
| 05:23.59 | Wyzard | Fetchmail probably already has root certificates for the widely-known ones like Verisign -- the same ones that your browser knows about, for example |
| 05:24.05 | karsten | Wyzard: Yeah, I know that, I'm trying to sort the process. |
| 05:24.09 | jargonjustin | What sort of output should running a command as sudo print to auth.log ? |
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| 05:24.22 | Wyzard | but since in this case the CA certificate is something internal to your organization, you'll need to provide it yourself |
| 05:24.22 | karsten | Wyzard: /etc/ssl/certs |
| 05:24.51 | Wyzard | yeah, fetchmail probably looks there |
| 05:25.11 | karsten | Wyzard: I can give it an argument to look elsewhere. I'm trying to make that ~/.ssl_certs/ |
| 05:25.17 | karsten | Wyzard: ... but I don't know what to put there. |
| 05:25.40 | Wyzard | You need the ISS department's root certificate, in (apparently) PEM format |
| 05:26.02 | karsten | What docs should I be reading ;-) |
| 05:26.14 | Wyzard | If the IT department installs it on the company's workstations -- which is likely, or you wouldn't be able to access internal websites which are secured with it -- then you should be able to export that from your browser |
| 05:26.30 | Wyzard | I'm not reading any docs right now, just describing my general knowledge of the SSL trust system |
| 05:27.00 | Wyzard | Somewhere in your browser there's a place where you can view the list of certificates it knows about |
| 05:27.02 | karsten | OK. Thought you might be reading docs, thought I might be able to do same and cut out the middle man. |
| 05:27.08 | Wyzard | From there, there should be a command to export a certificate to a file |
| 05:27.09 | karsten | Point. |
| 05:27.25 | Wyzard | or just email ISS and ask for it |
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| 05:27.54 | Wyzard | As for configuring fetchmail to look in ~/.ssl_certs, I have no idea how to do that, sorry |
| 05:28.14 | Wyzard | It's probably possible, but like I said, I'm not looking at the docs :-) |
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| 05:28.57 | karsten | Bingo. |
| 05:29.00 | karsten | Konqueror. |
| 05:29.08 | karsten | I'll find out if that works tomorrow. |
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| 05:31.40 | goban | hi i did sudo apt-get install spe, but i get this: You need to install at least wxPython v2.5.4.1 to run SPE.Get it from http://www.wxpython.org |
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| 05:34.53 | maddash | goban: see if aptitude can resolve your dependencies |
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| 05:36.22 | goban | maddash i tried sudo aptitude install spe too, but didnt help. is there another way to use it to resolve dependencies? |
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| 05:37.25 | poncha | guys.. what is wrong with etch packages?? :( mysql-server-4.1 is actually 5.0 *and* brings mysql-server-5.0 package with it! and mysql-server-5.0 is not installable.. |
| 05:37.56 | Guerin | poncha: sounds like you have some mixage going on |
| 05:38.24 | Guerin | poncha: output of apt-cache policy mysql-server-4.1 |
| 05:38.42 | cafuego | If that's my sarge pkg I apologise ;-) |
| 05:39.05 | poncha | mysql-server-4.1: Candidate: 5.0.32-7etch1 |
| 05:39.37 | Guerin | poncha: the whole output, on paster. And output of aptitude show mysql-server-4.1 |
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| 05:39.45 | Guerin | not in the channel |
| 05:39.56 | poncha | Guerin, ok, just a sec |
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| 05:42.03 | poncha | Guerin, http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=18726 |
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| 05:42.37 | ruser___ | hey, did anyone manage to get dell bluetooth 355 to work in lenny? |
| 05:42.48 | karsten | !tell ruser___ about polls |
| 05:42.59 | karsten | ruser___: Just ask. What have you configured, what did/didn't work? |
| 05:43.02 | Guerin | poncha: `This is an empty transitional package and can safely be removed.' |
| 05:43.11 | karsten | Guerin: You are? |
| 05:43.17 | endra | Hey |
| 05:43.24 | poncha | Guerin, yeah i noticed... then why the hell it is even there?? :) |
| 05:43.33 | endra | If I buy a 500gb external HD, am I able to install multiple operating systems on it and use it to boot? |
| 05:43.51 | karsten | endra: That depends on your own skills. |
| 05:43.56 | poncha | basically i do not need 4.1 there, i'd rather have 5.0/5.1 but it won't install.. |
| 05:44.09 | endra | Yes but I don't know if it can be done without messing with the MBR |
| 05:44.11 | karsten | endra: From a space perspective, sure, that's plenty. Figure 6-10 GB per Linux distro these days. |
| 05:44.21 | karsten | endra: Find and read a multi-boot howto. |
| 05:44.24 | Guerin | poncha: to allow upgrades from 4.1 to 5.0, automatically and seamlessly. Now, as to why the 5.0 isn't installling; output of aptitude install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 05:44.31 | endra | I already multiboot now.. |
| 05:44.37 | endra | I want to know if I can.. 'plug and boot' lol |
| 05:44.40 | poncha | i'll run install again and dump output, just a sec |
| 05:44.57 | karsten | endra: Friend who's had some experience with this found that he started running out of partitions at some point before getting 40ish distros on his system. |
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| 05:45.16 | ruser___ | i'm trying to get my cellphone to connect via bluetooth to my laptop (dell bluetooth 335), i tried different packages but it seems i can't get it to work i have installed bluemon bluetooth bluez-firmware bluez-hcidump bluez-utils kdebluetooth libbluetooth2 |
| 05:45.36 | karsten | endra: I'd seriously recommend going an emulation / virtual system route myself. Might look at LVM for flexibility, or just use virtual disks. |
| 05:45.41 | karsten | !doesn't work |
| 05:45.41 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 05:45.46 | endra | Thank you |
| 05:46.12 | karsten | ruser___: What's going to be particularly useful are a list of commands, modules, and output/errors you're encountering. Not that I know bluetooth. But pastebinning same is your best bet. |
| 05:46.15 | karsten | !tell ruser about paster |
| 05:46.26 | ruser___ | karsten hciconfig doesn't see any devices |
| 05:46.36 | karsten | ruser___: Might still not get any support here, depends on who knows what. |
| 05:46.46 | karsten | ruser___: Don't ask me, I'm stupid. |
| 05:48.11 | poncha | Guerin, http://hashphp.org/pastebin.php?pid=18727 |
| 05:48.11 | fengor | hmm maybe it would be useful to add http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html to the doesnt work statement? |
| 05:48.58 | dondelelcaro | far better to point them at ask |
| 05:49.28 | ruser___ | i'm sorry, i am just braindead after getting things to work |
| 05:49.44 | Guerin | poncha: read logs, see why it didn't start. |
| 05:50.15 | poncha | Guerin, the log (whole output) is there... |
| 05:50.37 | poncha | Jun 5 05:46:14 msec mysqld[1987]: InnoDB: Error: pthread_create returned 12.. nice... it should tell me.. what exactly? :) |
| 05:50.44 | Guerin | poncha: yes. You ened to see OTHER logs - syslog or mysql's own logs. Look in /var/log |
| 05:50.52 | Guerin | oo, funky |
| 05:51.01 | Guerin | ask #mysql about that one, I know nothing about it |
| 05:51.17 | poncha | mysql.err is empty |
| 05:52.25 | poncha | Guerin, ok, i will definitely :) |
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| 06:05.21 | metbsd | what's debian default mta? |
| 06:06.10 | streuner | there is no default |
| 06:06.27 | metbsd | so what's good mta , is exim any good |
| 06:06.34 | streuner | sure |
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| 06:06.44 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 06:06.48 | Guerin | exim4 is the default |
| 06:06.52 | Guerin | !why exim4 |
| 06:06.52 | dpkg | http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=31 |
| 06:07.01 | Guerin | for the reasons there described ↑ |
| 06:07.14 | metbsd | my company use exim as mta |
| 06:07.47 | streuner | Guerin: what kind of crap did you smoke today? |
| 06:07.55 | Guerin | streuner: none, sadly' |
| 06:08.08 | streuner | hm, that explains it then :-) |
| 06:08.14 | Guerin | heh |
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| 06:13.29 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 06:13.54 | ross_MoHaX | hi all! Where I could buy paid Debian support? |
| 06:14.17 | streuner | go to www.debian.org and search for consulants or such |
| 06:14.45 | dimir | Rassijskij manah, inache chto! |
| 06:14.46 | chronographer | g'day! i am following a guide to set something up to run as a daemon, and it asks me to copy someting to/etc/rc.d/init.d/ where should this go? |
| 06:14.53 | dimir | oops. |
| 06:15.20 | Guerin | !wayttd chronographer |
| 06:15.20 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, chronographer? |
| 06:15.24 | dimir | /etc/init.d |
| 06:15.32 | Guerin | dimir: except it probably won't work |
| 06:15.36 | chronographer | install ddclient |
| 06:15.43 | Guerin | chronographer: ddclient is in debian. |
| 06:15.47 | chronographer | oh! |
| 06:15.53 | dimir | heh |
| 06:15.56 | chronographer | well its nearly installed already. |
| 06:15.57 | dimir | you #$%$! |
| 06:16.00 | chronographer | =) |
| 06:16.01 | Guerin | as with 99% of all useful software |
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| 06:16.08 | chronographer | i didn't know... |
| 06:16.11 | Guerin | chronographer: uninstall it and install the one in debian |
| 06:16.22 | chronographer | ok ok.. will the config file be in the same place? |
| 06:16.25 | dimir | chronographer: ye, safe yourself from PITA |
| 06:16.36 | Guerin | chronographer: how can I know? It should be in /etc/ |
| 06:16.41 | chronographer | =) |
| 06:17.03 | chronographer | ok.. hopefully i won't be back soon, thanks again gurus |
| 06:17.04 | ross_MoHaX | dimir: chto ti imeesh protiv russiyskih monahov? +) |
| 06:17.06 | dimir | ye, it'll be in /etc/ddclient.conf |
| 06:17.22 | dimir | ross_MoHaX: rovnym schetom...nichego! |
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| 06:17.56 | dimir | $ l /etc/ddclient.conf |
| 06:17.56 | dimir | -rw------- 1 root root 215 2006-02-06 22:33 /etc/ddclient.conf |
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| 06:19.28 | ross_MoHaX | There are many consultants on Debian.org but according to disclaimer that list is based on request from consultants. that's means no quality check, so I need a review about any of them. Could anyone recommend paid debian consultant? |
| 06:20.11 | streuner | for russia? i doubt that |
| 06:20.17 | streuner | !ru |
| 06:20.18 | dpkg | from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 06:20.25 | streuner | just ask there then |
| 06:20.37 | dimir | How much?! |
| 06:20.42 | dimir | :-P |
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| 06:23.31 | ross_MoHaX | streuner, dpkg: I'm looking for good paid debian support for one of our project, it doesn't matters where consultant is located for me. |
| 06:23.57 | streuner | ross_MoHaX: ok, what kind of help do you need? |
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| 06:25.29 | chronographer | can anyone tell me how to test ddclient ??? |
| 06:26.12 | dimir | chronographer: change your IP and see if DNS record changes. |
| 06:26.23 | ross_MoHaX | streuner: just to feel calm that someone could solve almost any problem. quickly assbmle non standart deb, perfomance and failure prediction monitoring setup, security update additional testing, up to ssh login |
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| 06:27.19 | chronographer | my ip address is assigned by isp... Im changing to a dynamic ip soon, just setting up in advance |
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| 06:27.31 | chronographer | so... don't think I can change my ip |
| 06:27.42 | dimir | Yes you can. |
| 06:27.51 | dimir | I didn't say it should be working. :-P |
| 06:28.04 | dimir | Or you have external interface only? |
| 06:28.18 | ross_MoHaX | I'm intrested in one year support of two heavy loaded 4-processor 32-gb ram each servers |
| 06:28.31 | dimir | what's running on them? |
| 06:28.40 | dimir | And what is the $$$? |
| 06:28.43 | ross_MoHaX | debian =) |
| 06:28.51 | dimir | And on that? :-) |
| 06:28.55 | ross_MoHaX | about 2000$ a year |
| 06:29.14 | dimir | huh |
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| 06:33.22 | Guerin | dimir: i saw estimates today that in 2050, the world's economies will be like this: 1. China 2. Russia 3. India 4. USA; so that might not quite be the case |
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| 06:34.48 | dimir | Guerin: Well, anything can happen indeed. :-) |
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| 06:35.01 | ross_MoHaX | dimir: redhat premium support costs $2500 a year |
| 06:35.31 | dimir | ross_MoHaX: that includes packaging rpms? |
| 06:35.58 | ross_MoHaX | dimir: yes of course, and remote ssh login on demand |
| 06:36.15 | streuner | Guerin: hm, the emissions is in near future 1) China, 2) USA... |
| 06:37.00 | ross_MoHaX | and source code editing if bug was found too |
| 06:37.50 | Kyusswren | I'm looking for a file hosting solution so I can host some MP3s. |
| 06:38.43 | Guerin | Kyusswren: i recommend a 486 connected to your internet connection |
| 06:38.58 | Guerin | streuner: industrial economies emit plenty. Post-industrial economies needn't. And China has a 4:1 population ratio... |
| 06:39.03 | simonrvn | good "solution" to me |
| 06:39.05 | Trewas | ross_MoHaX: redhat has been working for a long time supporting linux, has procedures nailed down and lots of in-house expertise, so they can do the support likely in much less time than some random dude supporting debian |
| 06:39.06 | Kyusswren | Guerin, I am fresh out of those. |
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| 06:39.54 | Guerin | Kyusswren: well, most hosts won't allow you to host data to which you don't possess a distribution license |
| 06:39.59 | simonrvn | 'solution' is marketroid-speak |
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| 06:41.14 | Guerin | now |
| 06:41.19 | Guerin | stop distracting me, you lot |
| 06:41.36 | Guerin | i have theories of political quiescence to absorb |
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| 06:47.55 | hark | http://adambrown.info/images/humor/boffo.jpg |
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| 06:48.54 | dimir | ross_MoHaX: that redcap's support is limited by hours/year? How much? |
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| 06:50.20 | dubbaluga | hi! as a unprivileged user I always get "Must be connected to a terminal"; this does not occur as the root user and the environment variables are the same |
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| 06:51.53 | dimir | dubbaluga: sorry, our mind-reading software b0rked recently and Guerin's crystal ball was stolen again! |
| 06:51.56 | dubbaluga | oh, i forgot to mention that this error message appears whenever i call "screen" |
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| 06:52.11 | chronographer | hello how can i find if ddcient is running as daemon, and how do I konw if it will run on startup? |
| 06:52.29 | dubbaluga | chronographer: use ps aux and grep to find it |
| 06:53.00 | chronographer | # ps aux | grep ddclient this works right? |
| 06:53.19 | dubbaluga | chronographer: depends on your startup mechanism - try look into the /etc/rc2.d for a symbolic link |
| 06:53.25 | chronographer | ok |
| 06:53.46 | dubbaluga | chronographer: yes, at least on my computer it works |
| 06:53.47 | chronographer | the command above returned a line ending with grep ddclient... |
| 06:53.59 | dubbaluga | chronographer: nothing else? |
| 06:54.06 | simonrvn | then it isn't if that's the only line |
| 06:54.14 | chronographer | oh ok. |
| 06:54.31 | chronographer | its not in /etc/rc2.d |
| 06:54.46 | dubbaluga | chronographer: did you install it as a package? |
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| 06:54.50 | chronographer | yep |
| 06:55.01 | chronographer | its configrued and I can run it with ddclient |
| 06:55.21 | dubbaluga | then look into /etc/init.d if you can find the ddclient script |
| 06:55.43 | chronographer | yep |
| 06:56.21 | simonrvn | update-rc.d defaults ddclient |
| 06:56.32 | dubbaluga | now call "update-rc.d ddclient start 90 2 3 4 5 . stop 90 0 1 6 ." and it will create all the symbolic links for you |
| 06:56.49 | dubbaluga | simonrvn: oh, i didn't know that, thx :) |
| 06:56.54 | dimir | chronographer: what does '/etc/init.d/ddclient restart' give? |
| 06:57.11 | simonrvn | that'll make it stop/start at S20 and K20 |
| 06:57.12 | chronographer | nothing |
| 06:57.15 | dimir | cron: are you starting it as root? |
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| 06:57.21 | dimir | chronographer too |
| 06:57.25 | chronographer | what does that mean simonrvn? |
| 06:57.25 | simonrvn | er, flip those ;) |
| 06:57.42 | simonrvn | S is start K is kill, i.e. stop |
| 06:58.06 | chronographer | System startup links for /etc/init.d/ddclient already exist. |
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| 06:58.26 | simonrvn | ok do ls -l /etc/rc2.d/*ddclient |
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| 06:58.34 | chronographer | so it will start at startup and kill at shutown? |
| 06:58.39 | dimir | chronographer: are you starting it as root, damn it? |
| 06:58.42 | dimir | clones!!!!1 |
| 06:58.50 | chronographer | er... i don't know =) |
| 06:58.59 | dubbaluga | chronographer: type "whoami" |
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| 06:59.25 | chronographer | oh yeah logged in as root |
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| 07:00.19 | dimir | chronographer: what happens if you run this: '/usr/sbin/ddclient' ? |
| 07:00.43 | chronographer | it runs.. no output just runs |
| 07:01.46 | chronographer | ps aux shows ddclient now.. |
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| 07:01.51 | dimir | chronographer: try 'dpkg-reconfigure ddclient' |
| 07:01.53 | chronographer | 2 instances |
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| 07:01.58 | dimir | oh. |
| 07:02.16 | dimir | restart it. |
| 07:02.17 | chronographer | so it should run on startup though right? |
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| 07:02.34 | chronographer | now theres three! |
| 07:03.10 | GeneralK | I can't log in to my postfix server (via IMAP or POP3) using my standard user account. Does anyone know if I've got to do anything special to enable the account for postfix? I've got the authentication deamon set to use the shadow file. |
| 07:03.35 | dimir | chronographer: if you run "find /etc/rc*.d -name '*ddclient*'" - do you see K and S entries? |
| 07:03.58 | dimir | rc2, 3, 4, 5 should be S, others K. |
| 07:04.22 | chronographer | yes |
| 07:04.28 | dimir | you're set. |
| 07:04.35 | chronographer | cool |
| 07:04.37 | chronographer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.46 | dimir | All you should care about now is ddclient.conf . |
| 07:04.58 | chronographer | yep, i think that is set to go =) |
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| 07:05.36 | chronographer | I never knew it was so easy to create a dns 'alias' |
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| 07:06.04 | dimir | GeneralK: well, a firewall can block these. Check if your request reach the server at all. |
| 07:06.11 | chronographer | dpkg beer? |
| 07:06.12 | dpkg | methinks beer is liquid gold mate |
| 07:06.29 | GeneralK | dimir: Yeah, it's reaching the server. I keep seeing LOGIN FAILED in my logs. |
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| 07:06.41 | chronographer | waiterbot beer? |
| 07:07.55 | dimir | GeneralK: ther might be difference in an algorythms of passwords. There are in general 2 methods, crypt and md5. The server might be using one while your POP/IMAP server might be configured to use another. |
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| 07:08.18 | Guerin | generally, both crypt and md5 are a waste of time |
| 07:08.32 | GeneralK | dimir: Ah, okay... How can I tell what I'm setup to use? |
| 07:08.34 | Guerin | just enforce ssl or encryption and forget about them |
| 07:08.43 | Guerin | ssl or tls encryption, i mean |
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| 07:09.56 | dimir | GeneralK: check /etc/pam.d/common-password |
| 07:10.06 | maxamillion | does aptitude check package download integrity? ... like maybe a md5sum or something similar |
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| 07:10.23 | dimir | see the 'password' line and check the end of it. |
| 07:10.37 | puff | maxamillion: Yeah, something like that. |
| 07:10.39 | GeneralK | dimir: md5 |
| 07:10.56 | dimir | GeneralK: then check your POP/IMAP server config for this setting. |
| 07:11.27 | maxamillion | puff: ok, thanks ... just wondering... i just moved and my new internet connection is horribly slow and i wanted to make sure that if a couple packets were dropped during a download that it wouldn't just install bad packages |
| 07:11.40 | simonrvn | ok, that was the weirdest thing i've seen in this channel. tasty, but weird (WaiterBot) |
| 07:12.08 | streuner | hehe :-) |
| 07:12.14 | unimatrix | :-( i would have preferred tea |
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| 07:12.45 | simonrvn | gimme your latte and i'll make tea |
| 07:12.51 | dimir | GeneralK: what imap server are you using? |
| 07:13.00 | unimatrix | :-) |
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| 07:13.51 | dwu | 'lo simonrvn, dwu == phated :) |
| 07:14.03 | simonrvn | huwwo dere =) |
| 07:14.11 | dwu | :) |
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| 07:14.50 | dwu | ello! |
| 07:15.07 | dwu | noes. |
| 07:15.26 | karsten | Welcome back. |
| 07:16.45 | simonrvn | for sure, welcome back |
| 07:17.03 | dwu | thankyou. |
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| 07:17.17 | saintiss | hi all |
| 07:17.22 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 07:17.39 | dwu | hi, saintiss. Now, off to the doctor's with me. |
| 07:17.48 | saintiss | what's an easy way to send 20 jpgs to a printer so that there are, say, 4 jpgs per page? |
| 07:18.14 | Martian67 | yea, use an image program like pisca |
| 07:18.21 | karsten | saintiss: 'feh' has a montage mode. |
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| 07:18.45 | karsten | saintiss: You could run it through that. IIRC magicprint will handle a jpeg. So it's 'speriment' at that point. |
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| 07:19.09 | karsten | saintiss: feh -M <hight spec> <width spec> <list of four jpgs> |
| 07:19.12 | saintiss | ok, I should have a look then... thanks |
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| 07:19.20 | karsten | saintiss: ... iterate over the 20 in a shell script. |
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| 07:27.12 | karsten | saintiss: say: for i in $( seq 1 4 20 ); do feh -m <feh options> $( ls | sed -ne "$i,$((i+3))p" ); done |
| 07:27.25 | karsten | saintiss: ... which will run feh on the 5 sets of four images. |
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| 07:28.07 | saintiss | karsten, excellent... I'm fiddling with feh atm though to make it print the images big, instead of as thumbnails |
| 07:28.09 | DragoraN | hi |
| 07:28.14 | simonrvn | karsten: that 4 is the stepping? |
| 07:28.44 | DragoraN | what should I use for traffic shaping? what is the finest way to do this? |
| 07:29.03 | Guerin | depends on your needs |
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| 07:29.22 | karsten | simonrvn: yeah. |
| 07:29.24 | Guerin | DragoraN: lartc.org is your friend |
| 07:29.36 | simonrvn | !lartc |
| 07:29.36 | dpkg | lartc is, like, Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 07:29.38 | DragoraN | Guerin: lartc will tell me to use tc :( |
| 07:29.52 | simonrvn | !wondershaper |
| 07:29.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wondershaper is a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy |
| 07:30.03 | karsten | saintiss: -W and -H are the overall montage dimensions. -y and -E are the thumbnail dimensions. |
| 07:30.04 | Guerin | i will tell you to use a virtual jubilee clip |
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| 07:30.21 | karsten | saintiss: I'm not sure how large that will actually print, but most printers are 300, 600, or 1200 dpi. |
| 07:30.50 | simonrvn | feh |
| 07:32.54 | karsten | simonrvn: ImageMagick will produce PDFs, which should be directly printable (and previewable). |
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| 07:32.56 | simonrvn | DragoraN: you'll probably want to do some mangling in your iptables rules too |
| 07:33.10 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 07:33.15 | DragoraN | qos? |
| 07:33.17 | metbsd | what kind of data can squid cache? |
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| 07:33.39 | metbsd | can squid cache email and www? |
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| 07:34.05 | karsten | metbsd: No. |
| 07:34.13 | karsten | metbsd: www, yes. Mail, no. |
| 07:34.26 | metbsd | ftp yes? |
| 07:34.29 | karsten | metbsd: It's a web proxy, some support for ftp. |
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| 07:34.36 | karsten | !squid |
| 07:34.36 | dpkg | [squid] the Squid Internet object Cache a fast web proxy server. Its home page is at http://squid.nlanr.net/, or easy to do transproxy with, see http://www.unxsoft.com/transproxy.html, or faster than netscape's own cache, use it!, but uses much more memory, or http://thor.prohosting.com/~nchansy/meal/squid.jpg, or tasty in battered ring form |
| 07:34.46 | karsten | metbsd: RTFW |
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| 07:35.41 | Guerin | why the fuck would you cache mail? |
| 07:36.16 | karsten | Guerin: some girls are into that. |
| 07:36.35 | simonrvn | "oooh caching email is so sexay!" |
| 07:37.30 | Guerin | karsten: why mail the cache, would you fuck? |
| 07:37.54 | karsten | Guerin: If you cache the mail... |
| 07:37.56 | Martian67 | Guerin: depends on the looks, and the stds... |
| 07:38.02 | karsten | Guerin: ... you don't have to worry when the mail comes late. |
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| 07:38.21 | Martian67 | karsten: that is utterlty illogical |
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| 07:39.38 | Martian67 | or illogically utterable :/ |
| 07:39.54 | Guerin | karsten: would you mail the fuck cache, why? |
| 07:39.57 | karsten | Martian67: No, it's logically inutterable. |
| 07:40.11 | karsten | Guerin: A friend in need is a friend indeed.... |
| 07:41.04 | Guerin | that particular sentence has many potential rearrangements |
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| 07:41.08 | Guerin | i guess that makes it poetry |
| 07:41.24 | karsten | Werd. |
| 07:41.29 | Martian67 | why would you fuck mail? The Cache... |
| 07:41.48 | Martian67 | hmmm |
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| 07:42.04 | karsten | Mail? Fuck the cache. Why would you? |
| 07:42.46 | Martian67 | Cache would fuck the mail.. why you? |
| 07:43.10 | Martian67 | wordplay++ |
| 07:43.30 | Guerin | Martian67: heh, that one is good. |
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| 07:44.20 | Martian67 | i am allergic to office mugs |
| 07:44.29 | Martian67 | fucker |
| 07:44.42 | Guerin | !ops can we ban broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz ? They're all fucktards using the formerly-government-owned-but-now-evil-monopoly ISP |
| 07:44.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: can we ban broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz ? They're all fucktards using the formerly-government-owned-but-now-evil-monopoly ISP |
| 07:44.59 | cafuego | WTF!!! Bane them! Milk in coffee! Sheesh! |
| 07:45.10 | karsten | Supposedly there's a song, "Sex by Mail", with the unforgettable line, "you never used to worry when the mail came late". Possilby by the Free Lunch Band. 1980s sometime. Or in other words... |
| 07:45.11 | Guerin | in other words, they're Too Stupid To Get A Real ISP |
| 07:45.16 | karsten | ... before most of you here were born. |
| 07:45.16 | cydork | heh |
| 07:45.24 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians |
| 07:45.35 | cafuego | orly? |
| 07:45.42 | Guerin | karsten: that's after my time. All the good musicians were either dead or pickled by 1980 |
| 07:45.43 | Martian67 | karsten: hmmm... sex by mail... cached.... |
| 07:45.48 | karsten | Guerin: What're you pickin' on th' Kiwis for? What'chya got ag'in 'em, eh? |
| 07:45.52 | Martian67 | these are all intriguing possibillities ;) |
| 07:46.02 | karsten | Guerin: I shorten that to: |
| 07:46.08 | karsten | Guerin: .... All the good ones are dead. |
| 07:46.19 | Martian67 | karsten: every generation sais that |
| 07:46.40 | karsten | s/Free Lunch/Free Hot Lunch/ |
| 07:46.57 | Guerin | Martian67: but this generation is *right* |
| 07:47.21 | Martian67 | Guerin: as was every proceeding one, from their ideals |
| 07:47.55 | Guerin | Martian67: if you're going to try to get postmodern about it, I shall have to beat you with the bottle-slide of post-postmodernism |
| 07:48.17 | karsten | http://www.wahasurfshop.com/waha.asp?pageID=music05 |
| 07:48.30 | Martian67 | Guerin: that word dosent even mean anything, beyond some random psudeoword phd justification paper |
| 07:48.37 | karsten | So, vaguely on-topic, what's a good podcast player app these days? |
| 07:49.00 | Martian67 | bashpodder is nice |
| 07:49.06 | karsten | Guerin: My dada engine can beat up your dada engine. |
| 07:49.09 | Martian67 | if you like bashy things |
| 07:49.19 | karsten | Martian67: I never quite grokked that. |
| 07:49.25 | Guerin | Martian67: oh no, it means plenty. It's when you get so postmodern you come all the way back around to `i'm right, you're wrong, bollocks to ya' |
| 07:49.54 | Martian67 | Guerin: heh, its all intelectual hot air if you ask me |
| 07:50.05 | Martian67 | people that love to hear themselves talk |
| 07:50.23 | Guerin | Martian67: that's what copmputer geeks (who tend to lack philosophy) think. |
| 07:50.26 | cafuego | Martian67: Shut up, I'm right here. |
| 07:50.32 | karsten | Martian67: Best one I could find at the Hogwarts yard sale. |
| 07:51.13 | Martian67 | karsten: i have the wrong version of mag-gclib |
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| 07:51.29 | levander | Is there an "Expand All" button in Nautilus? |
| 07:51.32 | Martian67 | thats what i hate about all these arcane things, no source :/ |
| 07:51.33 | Guerin | just get some libgryffindor in your box |
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| 07:51.43 | Guerin | it's proprietary, but magically solves all your problems |
| 07:52.04 | Guerin | unfortunately it seems to be incompatible with most gear |
| 07:52.11 | karsten | Martian67: You need libwort. |
| 07:52.32 | Guerin | levander: ask #gnome irc.gnome.org |
| 07:52.51 | karsten | Martian67: Where's bashpodder these days? apt-cache doesn't find it. |
| 07:52.52 | Martian67 | Guerin: just like microsoft eh? :P |
| 07:52.57 | Guerin | levander: $10 says they reply with `why would we include that? It'd just confuse Aunt Tilley' |
| 07:53.06 | Martian67 | karsten: wouldnt know, try google |
| 07:53.15 | Guerin | Martian67: no, libgryffindor is *good*, not evil. |
| 07:53.29 | levander | Guerin: who is S10? |
| 07:53.38 | Guerin | ... |
| 07:53.47 | Martian67 | levander: a low end chevy |
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| 07:54.21 | levander | I hate it when I go hunting for a feature I expect to be there, but isn't. |
| 07:54.25 | karsten | Well, I don't have a truck anymore period. |
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| 07:54.29 | levander | Emacs is the worst with that. |
| 07:54.35 | Guerin | levander: you want features ... in a gnome app? |
| 07:54.51 | karsten | levander: Particularly when you get into recursive features. |
| 07:55.03 | karsten | Guerin: Didn't the HIG 3.0 eliminate all features? |
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| 07:55.28 | levander | Guerin: you don't use Gnome? |
| 07:55.34 | Guerin | karsten: it left in those which couldn't possibly confuse anyone. Like contrast. |
| 07:55.38 | Martian67 | (fetures(recursive(about(bad(so(whats))))))) |
| 07:55.45 | Guerin | levander: hell no, couldn't bear it. |
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| 07:55.59 | Guerin | Martian67: you forgot lots of '"s |
| 07:56.15 | karsten | Martian67: (features(recursive(bad(so(what(features))))) |
| 07:56.22 | levander | Guerin: what you use? KDE? |
| 07:56.22 | Martian67 | Guerin: my lisp is a little rusty :) |
| 07:56.37 | Martian67 | karsten: Touche |
| 07:56.37 | Guerin | levander: evilwm. It's so good, it's evil. |
| 07:56.44 | karsten | Martian67: Mine's a little ruthty. |
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| 07:57.04 | Guerin | all the elisp I know I cribbed from other peoples' .emacs files |
| 07:57.09 | Guerin | somehow it hangs together |
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| 07:57.36 | metbsd | how do i check what files a package installed |
| 07:57.45 | Guerin | Martian67: dpkg -L [ackage |
| 07:57.46 | karsten | metbsd: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 07:57.52 | karsten | Guerin: ack. |
| 07:58.00 | Guerin | age] |
| 07:58.07 | karsten | Guerin: None of your business. |
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| 07:58.11 | Martian67 | [arb|3 |
| 07:58.25 | karsten | Martian67: That's hard! What's it mean? |
| 07:58.35 | Martian67 | it means whatever it can ;P |
| 07:58.42 | karsten | !be a Martian67 barbie |
| 07:58.43 | dpkg | Aww, Martian67 is HARD! Let's go shopping, karsten |
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| 07:58.51 | Martian67 | o.O |
| 07:58.52 | karsten | Martian67: There, dpkg says so, must be true. |
| 07:59.04 | Martian67 | HARD work, HARD play ;P |
| 07:59.08 | Guerin | dpkg says that about all the newguys |
| 07:59.10 | wols_ | dpkg: do you ever lie? |
| 07:59.32 | karsten | wols_: ... and non-grammatically. |
| 07:59.33 | Martian67 | dpkg: do the worm |
| 07:59.37 | cafuego | dpkg: do the dance of denial |
| 07:59.56 | karsten | democracyplayer is _really_ cool. |
| 07:59.58 | karsten | Launch it ... |
| 08:00.03 | cafuego | karsten: you think? |
| 08:00.08 | yang | why does proftpd depend on mysql? |
| 08:00.14 | karsten | ... and get 34 lines of shilling and python traceback errors. |
| 08:00.25 | Martian67 | i did, but the facisitmediacentre kept killing it :( |
| 08:00.32 | Guerin | yang: it probably recommends: it - but the answer is `because proftpd is horribly bloated; use vsftpd instead' |
| 08:00.55 | cafuego | yang: there is a 'proftpd-mysql' package, which stores accounts and stats in mysql. |
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| 08:01.27 | karsten | You can run "democracyplayer --unittest" in which case it takes two seconds to run 0 tests in 0.000s. |
| 08:01.34 | cafuego | karsten: it supposedly works here, but it keeps starting itself at random intervals :-/ |
| 08:01.34 | Guerin | awesome |
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| 08:02.50 | Guerin | karsten: ok ... so it uses resources, but takes no time to do so. It's like a reverse-perpetual-motion machine! |
| 08:03.15 | Guerin | our problems of excess resources are solved! |
| 08:03.42 | Martian67 | if only we could pipe everything through it |
| 08:03.51 | cafuego | it it possible to run a virtualised kernel on democracy return codes? |
| 08:03.52 | yang | Guerin: in vsftpd.conf there is no value for setting up the port? |
| 08:03.57 | karsten | Martian67: cat everything | it |
| 08:04.14 | karsten | cafuego: ?? |
| 08:04.39 | Martian67 | cafuego: sounds like a question for their mailling list =) |
| 08:04.40 | cafuego | karsten: use democracy to implement a vm; as it will run infinitely fast (given some resources) |
| 08:05.02 | cafuego | karsten: Then ON the vm you run a normal (infinitely fast) linux install. |
| 08:05.03 | yang | Guerin: ah listen_port |
| 08:05.06 | karsten | cafuego: No, it does nothing in no time, but takes 2 seconds to do it. |
| 08:05.07 | Martian67 | preferibly in strongly worded desparte sounding language |
| 08:05.40 | cafuego | fork it to 'dictatorship' and fix the code. |
| 08:05.49 | Martian67 | Dickplayer |
| 08:07.01 | karsten | Martian67: That's redundant. |
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| 08:07.11 | karsten | Martian67: ... for most present, I suspect. |
| 08:07.39 | Martian67 | heh |
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| 08:11.31 | karsten | Hrm. Kitty's ... OK. |
| 08:11.38 | karsten | Not a good kitty, but not a bad kitty either. |
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| 08:11.51 | Martian67 | who is kitty? |
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| 08:13.08 | tarzeau | Hello Kitty |
| 08:13.16 | karsten | apt-cache show kitty. |
| 08:13.20 | karsten | KDE podcast client. |
| 08:13.29 | tarzeau | http://hellokitty.istheshit.net/ |
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| 08:16.01 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 08:16.02 | LinkinTurk | nice website |
| 08:16.02 | LinkinTurk | :) http://microsoft.istheshit.net/ |
| 08:16.02 | cydork | tarzeau: really dude do they pay you or something? :P |
| 08:16.02 | mynullvoid | where I can get solaris pkginfo pkgtrans deb |
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| 08:16.02 | Martian67 | i must throughly disagree with the disertation that hello kitty is infact the shit |
| 08:16.05 | Martian67 | bill is such a nerd |
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| 08:17.48 | Martian67 | http://tron.istheshit.net/ heh predictable |
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| 08:18.06 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 08:18.22 | Martian67 | hello |
| 08:18.22 | HSorgYves | what is the "standard" (default) umask? |
| 08:18.25 | tarzeau | cydork: i swear. no :) |
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| 08:18.49 | Martian67 | 600 i belive |
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| 08:19.02 | karsten | http://guerin.istheshit.net/ |
| 08:19.03 | Martian67 | HSorgYves: its defined in /etc/profile go look |
| 08:19.24 | karsten | HSorgYves: 'umask' |
| 08:19.30 | karsten | 0022 here. |
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| 08:20.03 | Martian67 | http://audioindustrin.istheshit.net/ |
| 08:20.08 | Martian67 | =) |
| 08:20.10 | HSorgYves | Martian67: i am looking for the default value not mine |
| 08:20.36 | Martian67 | spay it on a cd AND THE AUDIO QUALITY IMPROVES |
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| 08:20.40 | cydork | tarzeau: SEE WHAT YOU STARTED!! |
| 08:20.49 | Martian67 | 100% MONEYBACK GAURENTEE! |
| 08:21.07 | karsten | http://shit.istheshit.net/ |
| 08:21.12 | cydork | !blame tarzeau |
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| 08:21.37 | Martian67 | life as you know it died the second those words were uttered |
| 08:21.48 | tarzeau | cydork: heh :) |
| 08:22.15 | mynullvoid | this is nice: http://superman.istheshit.net/ |
| 08:22.46 | tarzeau | http://etch.istheshit.net/ |
| 08:22.56 | tarzeau | mynullvoid: haha |
| 08:23.02 | Martian67 | lol photoshop |
| 08:23.25 | dimir | http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/274/nettikahvilaqi8.jpg |
| 08:24.10 | tarzeau | LOL |
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| 08:24.18 | Martian67 | lol, which one is HE looking at hahaha |
| 08:24.30 | karsten | Meh. |
| 08:24.42 | karsten | Dunno. |
| 08:24.46 | karsten | Looks like an FPS to me. |
| 08:25.01 | tarzeau | http://woody.istheshit.net/ |
| 08:25.02 | Martian67 | well its a shooter for sure |
| 08:25.34 | karsten | tarzeau: Now, is that cut or uncut? |
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| 08:26.02 | Martian67 | :P |
| 08:26.49 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.49 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.52 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.55 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.58 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.00 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.03 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.05 | funky | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.07 | funky | oooooooops |
| 08:27.08 | funky | sorry, I pushed acidentally the third button |
| 08:27.10 | Martian67 | echo "please use pastein" |
| 08:27.15 | Martian67 | *pastebin |
| 08:27.24 | funky | I know, but it was an accident |
| 08:27.52 | funky | I even didnt know what I had in the buffer |
| 08:28.45 | Martian67 | http://sharapova.istheshit.net/ ha |
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| 08:35.08 | chemaja | anyone know if Epiphany is affected by those "Firefox" vulnerabilities talked about over on Slashdot today? |
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| 08:38.17 | karsten | chemaja: If they're related to the gecko rendering engine, possibly. |
| 08:38.31 | chemaja | karsten, thankyou Mr Clarifications :P |
| 08:38.33 | karsten | chemaja: Best bet's to stay tuned to security updates from Epiphany. |
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| 08:38.52 | karsten | chemaja: Well, gecko == firefox's HTML renderer, also used by Epiphany. |
| 08:39.03 | chemaja | karsten, my best bet is to virtualize my pr0n / inet shopping / email away from each other :) |
| 08:39.14 | karsten | That too. |
| 08:39.16 | chemaja | karsten, yea i know http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=237359&cid=19393381 |
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| 08:39.54 | mynullvoid | anyone have experience converting a pkg to deb? |
| 08:39.58 | chemaja | karsten, imma let the LazyWeb handle this one |
| 08:39.59 | chemaja | :) |
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| 08:40.33 | karsten | chemaja: I'd put odds on the iframe bug being there. |
| 08:40.42 | karsten | mynullvoid: pkg == slowaris? |
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| 08:41.12 | chemaja | karsten, sucks to be us |
| 08:41.18 | karsten | mynullvoid: If you can go pkg => tarball or pkg => RPM, alien should create a legal (if not installable) package. |
| 08:41.30 | karsten | chemaja: Who's "us", paleface. |
| 08:41.43 | chemaja | :) |
| 08:41.44 | chemaja | quality |
| 08:42.03 | chemaja | KDE really does rock out |
| 08:42.03 | chemaja | I can't seem to install it over Gnome tho |
| 08:42.15 | karsten | Um. |
| 08:42.19 | karsten | Why use GNOME? |
| 08:42.19 | chemaja | as in |
| 08:42.22 | chemaja | "don't want to" |
| 08:42.28 | chemaja | karsten, what else? |
| 08:42.33 | karsten | I used to run Galeon, back when it was a good browser. |
| 08:42.42 | chemaja | i quite like Epiphany |
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| 08:42.54 | chemaja | it's got some good -- albeit hidden -- features |
| 08:42.55 | karsten | Then it got GNOME disease. Epiphany's pretty much what popped out the other end. |
| 08:43.17 | karsten | My desktop's WindowMaker. Most apps are KDE. |
| 08:43.24 | mynullvoid | karsten: yes pkg of solaris |
| 08:43.24 | chemaja | i used to run WindowMaker and even GNUStep |
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| 08:43.38 | karsten | If I can get a pinnable windowlist I might even go to KDE, tried it for a month or so last year. |
| 08:43.49 | mynullvoid | karsten: at least I can extract pkg |
| 08:43.51 | chemaja | is there some definitive guite to a minimalist KDE-enabled Qt-type Desktop out there? |
| 08:44.17 | chemaja | i used to fanboy kde all over gnome |
| 08:44.21 | mynullvoid | karsten: alien needs pkginfo and pkgtrans where I don't know where to get it from |
| 08:44.28 | chemaja | i guess i found it slightly more unstable than Gnome |
| 08:44.37 | chemaja | things may have changed |
| 08:44.43 | karsten | mynullvoid: Good starting point: http://kitenet.net/~joey/pkg-comp/ |
| 08:44.49 | karsten | mynullvoid: Me neither. |
| 08:45.05 | karsten | chemaja: Honestly, both are pretty stable. |
| 08:45.42 | karsten | chemaja: I find KDE worlds more usable than GNOME, much less annoying, more configurable. But WMaker's still home for me. XFCE4 ain't bad. And I'm playing with ion / pwm. |
| 08:45.52 | karsten | "It's a night!" |
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| 08:46.24 | mynullvoid | karsten: then what |
| 08:46.34 | mynullvoid | karsten: what I should look for at the page? |
| 08:46.43 | karsten | mynullvoid: Good info. |
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| 08:47.22 | pyrohotdog | I just installed a Sound Blaster pci card, and...no sound. Sorry to sound like a n00b but where do I begin...? |
| 08:47.25 | metbsd | how do i list all packages i installed |
| 08:47.55 | mynullvoid | karsten: I just want to know how to extract pkg |
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| 08:48.29 | Dewi | pyrohotdog: see if there's a module loaded for it |
| 08:48.46 | pyrohotdog | Dewi: How? |
| 08:49.19 | metbsd | i want to list all packages i installed, how to do that |
| 08:49.26 | Dewi | metbsd: dpkg --list ? |
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| 08:49.47 | Dewi | metbsd: not sure if that's only installed |
| 08:49.54 | tarzeau | !installed packages |
| 08:49.54 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 08:50.40 | Dewi | pyrohotdog: you can list PCI details with lspci, you can list loaded modules with lsmod |
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| 08:50.49 | Dewi | pyrohotdog: I actually don't know how to correlate them |
| 08:51.02 | cydork | pyrohotdog: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 08:54.12 | pyrohotdog | Well what lspci does list the card. |
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| 08:57.24 | Dewi | pyrohotdog: yeah, but that's just a plug and play thing |
| 08:57.37 | Dewi | pyrohotdog: it doesn't mean there is software loaded for it |
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| 08:57.55 | Dewi | but I'm sure that info is referenced elsewhere |
| 08:58.22 | pyrohotdog | vlc give "[00000340] oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)" |
| 08:58.23 | Dewi | it's been years since I had to configure an unfamiliar piece of hardware in linux |
| 08:58.41 | Dewi | pyrohotdog: did you try configuring alsa, as per the factoid? |
| 08:58.59 | Dewi | from memory it has quite a powerful configuration applet |
| 08:59.23 | Dewi | pyrohotdog: ask the dpkg bot about 'alsa one-liner' |
| 09:01.24 | pyrohotdog | factoid? |
| 09:02.25 | fengor | !tell pyrohotdog about alsa one-liner |
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| 09:09.43 | pyrohotdog | I have alsa installed. |
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| 09:10.39 | basanta | is there a way to grab en.wikipedia.org so that I can browse offline |
| 09:12.37 | freespace | wget would do it, though wiki has policies wrt to that kind of stuff |
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| 09:13.37 | basanta | freespace, any idea how many mb that would be ? |
| 09:13.43 | freespace | lots |
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| 09:17.49 | _Rubyxx | I can't find my applications menu any longer...Does any one know how I can restore this? |
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| 09:19.34 | rydersean | anyone know why my md raid device would disappear when I reboot? |
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| 09:22.20 | row | rydersean: someone ran off with it? ;) |
| 09:22.32 | row | rydersean: new kernel? |
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| 09:24.45 | chowells | Is /etc/profile liable to get overwritten by anything? I am having trouble working out how it is generated - dpkg -S /etc/profile says it is not from a package |
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| 09:25.10 | rydersean | row: i got it |
| 09:25.22 | pyrohotdog | _Rubyxx: what window manager? |
| 09:25.26 | rydersean | row: I didnt have the new md device in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 09:25.29 | rydersean | row: thanks |
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| 09:28.27 | ShredZ | Are there still possible problems with the sky2 network driver on etch ? |
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| 09:29.14 | _Rubyxx | pyrohotdog: I've found the menu now..tks |
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| 09:35.00 | zophy | anyone have any opinions good or bad about gateway laptops, not limited to their functioning with linux ? |
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| 09:36.42 | Arafangion | zophy: Considering the company failed here, I have a bad opinion against gateway anything :) |
| 09:37.06 | chot | hi, i've got a damaged hd that i'm trying to mount, the problem is that it's the partitiontable thats damaged and it seems like it's unwriteable (ie bad locks)). now my question is, is there any way to mount from a specific byte on a drive instead of from the beginging of the partition? i tried sb=8192 and it didn't work |
| 09:37.33 | chot | the partition im interested in is the first partition and is an ext2 partition |
| 09:37.36 | zophy | Arafangion, they failed here in a lot of places also |
| 09:38.00 | chot | *bad blocks |
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| 09:39.22 | Arafangion | zophy: So what does that tell you? |
| 09:39.22 | zophy | there's a program thaqt rebuilds partition tables from info it gathers from the partitions themselves, i don't recal what it is called |
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| 09:39.53 | zophy | Arafangion, the thing is, all the gateways i;ve owned are built real tough and lasted forever |
| 09:39.59 | chot | zophy: yeah i've tried several of those, but the problem is that i can't write to that part of the harddrive |
| 09:40.09 | zophy | ah |
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| 09:40.46 | Arafangion | zophy: Until you try to upgrade them. |
| 09:41.43 | Arafangion | zophy: On the other hand, it's perfectly possible I had a bad one, and they had no return customers because their products were too good - imho unlikely. |
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| 09:42.54 | zophy | well, hp and dell undersold them and had a fotthold in the corporate world that gateway never approached |
| 09:45.34 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:47.32 | zophy | this is an 8 year old gateway running perfect, and my hp has fallen apart, hinges, fan and cpu all shot |
| 09:47.47 | zophy | could never put any money into an hp |
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| 09:48.13 | zophy | don't know much about the newer laptops |
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| 09:48.24 | RPD | can I use DPKG to downgrade a package? |
| 09:48.55 | Lynoure | yes, but it can be complicated. |
| 09:49.20 | xand | !downgrade |
| 09:49.21 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 09:49.33 | RPD | Lynoure: I need to downgrade it for kernel compatibility |
| 09:49.59 | RPD | ok |
| 09:50.02 | Lynoure | RPD: I think it is --force-downgrade |
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| 09:50.22 | Lynoure | RPD: but see man dpkg for warnings and details |
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| 09:50.39 | RPD | so where do I find an old udev.deb package? |
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| 09:51.46 | Lynoure | RPD: old as how old? |
| 09:51.56 | Lynoure | RPD: etch does not have old enough for you? |
| 09:52.28 | RPD | Lynoure: old as compatible with the 2.4.27-3 kernel |
| 09:52.32 | MatBoy | !moo |
| 09:52.32 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 09:53.06 | Juerd | There's no libapache-mod-php5 anymore since 5.2.2. Is there a way to build it manually? |
| 09:53.18 | Juerd | I cannot upgrade to apache 2, and my system is currently in dependency hell. |
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| 09:53.31 | Lynoure | RPD: sorry, I don't have time/energy for doing the compability checks for you |
| 09:53.40 | heanol | i've installed etch with the guided lvm+crypted setup, with seperate partiations |
| 09:53.45 | heanol | are all lvm-partitions encrypted? |
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| 09:54.33 | liable | RPD: you will get into dependancy hell trying to keep a 2.4 kernel on etch |
| 09:54.56 | liable | RPD: easiest would be to use static dev |
| 09:55.24 | Lynoure | RPD: What do you need an old kernel like that anyway? |
| 09:55.57 | ShredZ | Any easy way to get 2.6.20 kernel on etch or testing ? (no production system) |
| 09:56.34 | tarzeau | ShredZ: yes build it yourself, use make-kpkg |
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| 09:56.36 | Lynoure | ShredZ: compiling and packaging kernels for debian is easy like breathing |
| 09:57.12 | RPD | Lynoure: with 2.6 my system goes kernel panic |
| 09:57.15 | tarzeau | !kernel-package |
| 09:57.15 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
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| 09:58.08 | RPD | dpkg: where's a good moo world? |
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| 09:58.41 | Lynoure | ShredZ: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html , 9.2 is a good step-by-step for it |
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| 09:59.35 | ShredZ | tnx |
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| 10:00.50 | Trewas | RPD: there is no udev support in 2.4 kernels at all, you must use devfs or (preferably) static dev |
| 10:01.00 | RPD | damn udev (0.056-3) requires a 2.6 kernel. |
| 10:01.05 | zophy | does gcc utilize the intel core 2 cpu's features ? |
| 10:01.19 | liable | RPD: have you filed a bug about that? have you followed the release notes properly? |
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| 10:04.13 | RPD | liable: about the panic? |
| 10:04.15 | liable | its sitting on 1Mb |
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| 10:04.52 | bolt | Anyone familiar with atftpd who can tell me what the heck is going on here? No clients recieve files, they're just timing out immediately. This is the server log: http://pastebin.ca/539728 |
| 10:06.07 | bolt | it's my first attempt at network booting, btw. i've got the two computers (server/client) connected to a switch, along with a third machine acting as a dhcp server, telling the client about the server |
| 10:06.11 | RPD | after apt-get remove udev everything works :) |
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| 10:08.15 | liable | RPD: yeah |
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| 10:09.31 | RPD | liable: I don't even think it's a bug |
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| 10:09.54 | x_link | hrmm |
| 10:10.27 | x_link | Still have to run alsaconf everytime I reboot my computer. Or for example if I leave at night and come back the next morning, then my sound doesn't work again. Then I must run aslaconf again. |
| 10:11.07 | paddor | How can I chown a file of another user without root access. The file's permissions are 777. |
| 10:11.10 | RPD | in both the GIMP and EMACS it's C-k to kill hehe |
| 10:13.26 | liable | i wish they could test the oo packages in exp for a while so i dont have to download the whole lot twice in two days :/ |
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| 10:14.48 | Arafangion | liable: Unstable, you mean? I don't think exp's appropriate for OOo at this point in time :) |
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| 10:15.46 | liable | Arafangion: too unstable for exp? ;) |
| 10:16.09 | Arafangion | liable: Quite the opposite. |
| 10:16.31 | Arafangion | liable: Too experimental for unstable. |
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| 10:16.47 | Arafangion | Rather, things that are too experimental for unstable go in experimental. :) |
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| 10:17.25 | liable | i think thats what i said first time :) |
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| 10:19.10 | bolt | Anyone familiar with atftpd who can tell me what the heck is going on here? No clients recieve files, they're just timing out immediately. This is the server log: http://pastebin.ca/539728 |
| 10:19.10 | bolt | it's my first attempt at network booting, btw. i've got the two computers (server/client) connected to a switch, along with a third machine acting as a dhcp server, telling the client about the server |
| 10:19.23 | paddor_ | How can I chown a file of another user to my user without root access? The file's permissions are 777 and I have the other user's password. |
| 10:19.38 | liable | paddor_: you cant |
| 10:19.52 | liable | thats kinda the whole point of permissions ;) |
| 10:19.56 | Arafangion | liable: Not quite :) |
| 10:20.05 | Kensan | su otheruser; chown user file; exit |
| 10:20.06 | paddor_ | liable: Do I have to copy, delete old, move new to old the file? |
| 10:20.39 | paddor_ | liable: (I have the other user's password.) |
| 10:20.52 | poncha | paddor, move on same filesystem preserves owner and permissions |
| 10:20.54 | liable | paddor_: oh, su to there user then |
| 10:21.06 | Kensan | paddor_ see my previous comment |
| 10:21.07 | liable | s/there/their/ |
| 10:21.39 | paddor_ | Kensan: this doesn't work. |
| 10:22.12 | paddor_ | liable: same as Kensan's approach. doesn't work. (googled and found, this would be a security hole) |
| 10:22.12 | poncha | Kensan, you can't force the file be owned by other user.. unless you're root |
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| 10:23.04 | poncha | $ touch test; chown otheruser test -> chown: changing ownership of `test': Operation not permitted |
| 10:24.25 | paddor_ | yes, this is what it's like. |
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| 10:25.01 | poncha | if it would work, one could avoid quota limitations , and gain root privileges at will by chowning suid executables :) |
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| 10:27.27 | paddor_ | poncha: ok.. so i copy, del, move it. thanks |
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| 10:31.29 | pincker | hello everybody |
| 10:31.45 | pincker | i have a question |
| 10:32.14 | pincker | do i must download 3 DVD to install Debian 4.0 ? |
| 10:32.21 | cydork | pincker: nope. |
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| 10:32.37 | pincker | sarge works with 1 DVD |
| 10:32.54 | cydork | pincker: if have nice connection you just get the netinstall |
| 10:33.11 | cydork | s/if/if you/ |
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| 10:33.48 | pincker | my connection is onli 512 kb/s |
| 10:33.58 | pincker | *only |
| 10:34.14 | xand | that's fast enough for netinstall |
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| 10:34.56 | pincker | does in netinstall have a grapfical instalation, or text ? |
| 10:35.07 | Gathond | text I think |
| 10:35.07 | cydork | pincker: it has both |
| 10:35.14 | pincker | wow :) |
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| 10:35.19 | pincker | great :) |
| 10:35.27 | Gathond | or anyway, that is the only one I've ever used |
| 10:35.48 | pincker | ok, so i download a netinstall |
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| 10:36.56 | poncha | it does not run X if that is the question, it uses ncurses (or smth similar?) to show dialogs on console. |
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| 10:39.07 | poncha | guys.. why isnt debian a supported OS for IBM? it's frustrating to see only RHEL and SUSE there in the list :( |
| 10:39.33 | dromer | hi all. I wanted to try debian on my old (very old) laptop. but it doesn't have a cdrom or floppy, so I downloaded the 386 minimal-cd and put the 2.5" disk in my PC, now I try to boot on the laptop, but it doesn't go past savedefault. should I edit the boot? or do I just have the wrong kernel atm? (2.6.18-4-k7) |
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| 10:39.46 | cydork | poncha: you haven't seen this. have you http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html :) |
| 10:40.16 | alexIdoia | what should I write into visudo if I only want to give the right to a user to chmod file ? |
| 10:40.17 | Arafangion | dromer: Is your laptop a 'k7' CPU? (That's AMD) |
| 10:40.40 | poncha | right now ibm support techie told me they cant give me service with my ibm xseries-346 server which i suspect to have scsi controller malfunctioning because i am using debian as operating system :( |
| 10:40.47 | poncha | cydork, is that netinstall ? |
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| 10:41.29 | dromer | Arafangion: no exactly, it's a P1. I thought the 386-minimal would install a more generic kernel |
| 10:41.39 | xand | poncha: ask IBM |
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| 10:42.18 | dromer | Arafangion: how can I get the right kernel on this disk if I can't install it in the laptop itself? |
| 10:42.36 | mrsn0 | poncha while ibm don't list debian on their site, it does work on debian/ubuntu (db2) |
| 10:42.38 | tarzeau | cydork: see ibm don't support debian because there is SUSE and REDHAT |
| 10:42.48 | Arafangion | dromer: Install the 386 kernel explicitly. |
| 10:42.50 | tarzeau | mrsn0: but they don't list it |
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| 10:43.11 | dromer | Arafangion: I didn't get to choose this during install |
| 10:43.14 | mrsn0 | tarzeau indeed, my house mate works with ibm software in work and takes work home with him |
| 10:43.20 | Arafangion | dromer: Install it after the install. |
| 10:43.31 | dromer | Arafangion: how can I? |
| 10:43.34 | cydork | tarzeau: who cares about IBM :) |
| 10:43.47 | dromer | Arafangion: install it on the other pc? |
| 10:43.49 | cydork | tarzeau: and also HP does support debian :) |
| 10:44.01 | tarzeau | cydork: too much people do :( |
| 10:44.16 | poncha | mrsn0, xand , my only guess may be that theres no company behind debian like ones behind RHEL and SUSE (see, they dont provide service for FC* , too) as os manufacturers provide support .. |
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| 10:45.13 | poncha | cydork, however i have more trust in ibm hardware rather than in hp... |
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| 10:45.45 | Thumann | hey, i'm trying to move my users to a new box, but my ubntu doesn't use a shadow file? |
| 10:45.53 | Arafangion | dromer: Yup. |
| 10:45.58 | Thumann | passwords are stored in the /etc/passwd file instead |
| 10:46.04 | cydork | poncha: then gather people. get a site. have a online petition ? :) |
| 10:46.20 | tarzeau | Thumann: if you write ubuntu right, i don't see your lines |
| 10:46.59 | poncha | cydork, hehe :)) what would help more is *create a company that would provide official support for debian (and debian based) distros as professional services* :) |
| 10:47.05 | abchirk | Mh I have installed gnash and it plays flash movies..but at the moment without sound is it normal? |
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| 10:47.40 | dromer | hmmm, I keep getting APIC error on CPU0 anybody know what that is? |
| 10:48.08 | cydork | poncha: i am just short of 1-2 million dollors :) |
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| 10:48.17 | dromer | it's very anoying, comes right through the shell |
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| 10:48.41 | cydork | dromer: /msg dpkg klogd |
| 10:48.49 | dromer | Arafangion: can I just use apt to install the other kernel? |
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| 10:48.59 | dromer | thnx cydork |
| 10:49.30 | poncha | cydork, and the fact that software manufacturers do not make packaging for debian is also troubled... i mean, go to mysql website, you'll get any RPM you need there, but no debs.. unfortunately. and mysql, when you come to their support whilst running mysql on debian, won't trust debian package maintainers but rather send you download and install their own binaries and then talk to you |
| 10:49.41 | alexIdoia | can please someone help me set chmod right (only) for a sudo user in visudo ? |
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| 10:54.02 | dromer | cydork: I don't |
| 10:54.20 | poncha | alexIdoia, username ALL = /bin/chmod .. i think that should be it |
| 10:54.23 | dromer | see the KLOGD variable |
| 10:54.33 | Arafangion | dromer: Sure. |
| 10:55.04 | poncha | alexIdoia, or rather man sudoers |
| 10:55.20 | alexIdoia | ah that simple |
| 10:55.21 | alexIdoia | ok |
| 10:55.25 | Arafangion | poncha: The MySQL folks are wierd - super long history of basically stating that most database theory and especially ACID compliance is not neccessary. |
| 10:57.31 | cydork | dromer: add it to start-stop-daemon line |
| 10:58.58 | cydork | poncha: i never had issues with mysql yet :) |
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| 11:09.42 | dromer | ok wtf now it boots the kernel, but then I get: Out of Memory: Kill proces 2 (ksoftirqd/0) score 0 anh children. (about a zillion times) |
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| 11:10.52 | dromer | I know the laptop doesn't have alot oy memory, but I could boot a different distro fine on it (except for dhcp which was terrible there) |
| 11:11.41 | Gathond | dromer: how much is not alot? |
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| 11:11.49 | dromer | 16mb :# |
| 11:11.54 | Gathond | sounds weird it would have to kill a kernel thread though |
| 11:12.09 | Gathond | well I think the installer might actually require 24 MB these days |
| 11:12.25 | dromer | delilinux wroked pretty well, but the system just didn't feel nice and their dhcp sucked ass :/ |
| 11:12.32 | dromer | Gathond: it's already installed |
| 11:12.39 | Gathond | ok |
| 11:12.41 | dromer | Gathond: I installed it on a different pc |
| 11:12.59 | Gathond | well with 16 MB it might not take much installed stuff to OOM it |
| 11:13.04 | dromer | Gathond: needed a different kernel, installed that now too (though it's nawe is not 386 but 486) |
| 11:13.07 | Gathond | unless you have some swap |
| 11:13.17 | Arafangion | Are there pre-prepared downloads of debian specifically for use with usb disks? |
| 11:13.17 | dromer | theres 250mb swap |
| 11:13.51 | poncha | yeah but given the stage it fails, it might not have mounted swap yet |
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| 11:14.15 | dromer | hmm, gotta go now. but this just _has_ to work :/ (linux on this laptop ;) ) |
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| 11:15.13 | poncha | dromer, you might need recompile the kernel to have a smaller footprint or smth.. (i mean, if you already installed the thing on another machine.. ) |
| 11:15.21 | WinniePooh | Hello. As I turned on the computer today it seems unable to find any operating system. It has Etch - unstable and Windows XP installed, and Grub as load manager. Is the boot manager the problem? |
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| 11:15.45 | dromer | poncha: hmm ok, I'll have to look into how to do that, never (re)compiled my own kernel before :$ |
| 11:15.51 | petemc | WinniePooh: silly question, but is there a floppy in the drive? |
| 11:15.54 | WinniePooh | I booted with a Knoppix live CD and it seems the hard partitions are Ok. All da tis there ... |
| 11:15.55 | mrsn0 | Arafangion im not sure if there are prepared images but its easy to builld your own with debotstrap |
| 11:15.55 | dromer | poncha: bbl though, gotta run now |
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| 11:16.06 | WinniePooh | petemc, yes it is |
| 11:16.07 | poncha | dromer, good luck :) |
| 11:16.11 | mrsn0 | i did notice this recentlly Arafangion so maybe it has some hints http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
| 11:16.20 | poncha | WinniePooh, and is there by chance a floppy disk in the drive ? :) |
| 11:16.22 | WinniePooh | unfortunately i don't have a debian install CD today ... |
| 11:16.23 | mrsn0 | debootstrap* even |
| 11:16.41 | WinniePooh | poncha, no there in not |
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| 11:18.01 | WinniePooh | any possibility to repaird the grub from the live ccd? |
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| 11:19.00 | poncha | WinniePooh, after you boot off knoppix, mount / partition to some directory , then chroot into that directory (chroot /path/to/mnt /bin/bash ) and you are kinda on your system root, then you may need to reinstall grub, but i am not sure how that is done |
| 11:19.48 | poncha | i used that plan when needed to alter and reinstall lilo |
| 11:20.18 | poncha | btw check in fdisk that your boot partition is actually marked active |
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| 11:20.51 | WinniePooh | what fdisk? is there suck a program on Unix? |
| 11:21.06 | poncha | sure |
| 11:21.32 | poncha | for example: fdisk /dev/hda |
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| 11:21.56 | magic_pinguim | Hello :) |
| 11:22.02 | poncha | that will enter partition management for disk /dev/hda (use other device if your disk is not a primary master ide :) ) |
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| 11:22.42 | poncha | hello magic pinguim, how can we help you at this time of the day? :) |
| 11:22.59 | WinniePooh | poncha, /sbin/fdisk /dev/hda3 -> Unable to open /dev/hda3 |
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| 11:23.09 | WinniePooh | and this is on this computer, which seems to work perfectly |
| 11:23.23 | poncha | WinniePooh, not hda3, hda (drive itself and not partition) |
| 11:23.23 | WinniePooh | sorry, root |
| 11:23.27 | BambiX | hi, can someone tell me how to install the killall program? |
| 11:23.38 | poncha | then "p" to list partitions |
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| 11:23.52 | poncha | you will see a * near active partition |
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| 11:25.00 | BambiX | anybody please? |
| 11:25.04 | cydork | BambiX: install psmisc. and check /msg dpkg search |
| 11:25.12 | BambiX | thnx |
| 11:26.38 | WinniePooh | poncha, it odesnt work on that machine. whos som eerrors with cdrom/KNOPPIX inside and then a Segmentation fault |
| 11:28.12 | poncha | WinniePooh, does /dev/hda file exist? |
| 11:28.26 | RichiH | hmm |
| 11:28.37 | RichiH | any idea about an eta of 2.6.22 in sid? |
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| 11:29.02 | poncha | if not, try this: mknod /tmp/dev_hda b 3 0 ; fdisk /tmp/dev_hda |
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| 11:29.38 | Legality | hi |
| 11:30.00 | poncha | WinniePooh, or, see "mount" output and check what the drive actually is (since you have the partitiona mounted already) |
| 11:30.21 | poncha | **partition |
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| 11:32.27 | WinniePooh | yes /dev/hda exists but same seg fault |
| 11:32.37 | WinniePooh | mount says /dev/hda1 is mounted as /media/hda1 |
| 11:32.52 | WinniePooh | tried fdisk /media/hda1 and Segmentation fault is returned |
| 11:33.11 | WinniePooh | i guess what i have to do is install grub somehow, and i should need a grub floppy or a debian install disk |
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| 11:35.08 | Platyna | :> |
| 11:35.20 | Platyna | Hi, how to move existing Debian distro to pendrive? |
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| 11:36.41 | WinniePooh | poncha, obsucre are God's ways. rebooted and works now ... no idea what's wrong |
| 11:36.48 | WinniePooh | what WAS wrong |
| 11:36.51 | poncha | :) |
| 11:36.52 | WinniePooh | thanks a bunch anyway |
| 11:37.04 | nathanj | im setting up dnsmasq as my dns/dhcp but the machine has to have a static ip yeah? |
| 11:37.09 | Muisje | 1337 Time! |
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| 12:01.50 | liable | whas happening |
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| 12:02.08 | sussudio | people are pinging out on multiple, unconnected networks |
| 12:02.08 | sussudio | i think global crossing is screwing up again |
| 12:02.17 | ustunozgur | Hi guys, how can I learn the list of packages "apt-get build-dep <package-name>" installs? B/c it gives the error that the dependencies could not be satisfied. The "-s" flag doesn't work as well. |
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| 12:02.57 | Ropechoborra | Hi, i was installing Debian from Diskette with a net connection, at night when i left it was installing programs, when i come back there was an error with something of the printer and now i cant continue with the install |
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| 12:04.51 | abrotman | sussudio: i blame badgers! |
| 12:04.52 | sussudio | %bear abrotman |
| 12:04.52 | liable | they chewed through the tubes! |
| 12:04.52 | abrotman | ack! |
| 12:04.53 | abrotman | though .. i heard pandas don't really get horny .. or whatever |
| 12:04.55 | abrotman | they need to be coached or some crap |
| 12:05.11 | abrotman | and that sounds totally gross :) |
| 12:05.12 | liable | abrotman: heh, what kind of google search returned results that told you that! ;) |
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| 12:05.28 | abrotman | liable: Time magazine |
| 12:05.34 | liable | sure.. |
| 12:05.54 | abrotman | any chance bots are targetting users instead of hosts ? |
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| 12:06.30 | Ronin | abrotman: wouldn't be the first time |
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| 12:06.55 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 12:07.53 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:07.53 | alexIdoia | I need to use a port but I have no idea how to choose one that is not in use |
| 12:07.53 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> abrotman: My mum loves me when I've got surplus cash, like most women. |
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| 12:08.03 | alexIdoia | How can I do that ? |
| 12:08.19 | abrotman | alexIdoia: choose a port for what? |
| 12:08.26 | alexIdoia | to open a socket |
| 12:08.30 | liable | your coding an app? |
| 12:08.38 | xand | !your |
| 12:08.39 | dpkg | somebody said your was the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
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| 12:08.48 | abrotman | you can use a socket without using a port |
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| 12:09.00 | alexIdoia | abrotman: i meant to create it |
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| 12:09.08 | abrotman | you can use a socket on the filesystem |
| 12:09.27 | alexIdoia | abrotman: I need this to create a socket with PHP |
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| 12:10.45 | alexIdoia | abrotman: ? |
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| 12:10.51 | abrotman | did you try asking #php ? |
| 12:11.10 | abrotman | anyways .. ports over 10000 usually aren't used .. look in /etc/services |
| 12:11.36 | alexIdoia | ok |
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| 12:11.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: have you seen Bump'n'Jump ?!?! |
| 12:12.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: no? you mean jump n bump? |
| 12:12.13 | ustunozgur | Hi guys, how can I learn the list of packages "apt-get build-dep <package-name>" installs? B/c it gives the error that the dependencies could not be satisfied. The "-s" flag doesn't work as well. |
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| 12:13.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. bumpnhump! |
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| 12:13.16 | Bushmills | 'morning |
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| 12:13.47 | abrotman | ustunozgur: you'd probably look in the rules file |
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| 12:14.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: i found the wikipedia game, lousy graphics, but could be fun to play ;) |
| 12:14.24 | abrotman | doubtful! |
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| 12:16.34 | x_link | valdyn: Hi man, the thing we tried the other day with the sound didn't work. Remember I added "snd-dmu10k1" in /etc/modules. Well, that didn't help. I still have to run alsaconf everytime I reboot, I even don't have to reboot. If I don |
| 12:16.50 | x_link | don't use the computer in a while, then I must run alsaconf again. |
| 12:17.08 | rajix | hi, just trying to install ndiswrapper to use with a wusb54g |
| 12:17.23 | rajix | it loads the driver i think well and lus usb see it too |
| 12:17.30 | fengor | dmu10k1? |
| 12:17.32 | rajix | but for some reason i cannot make it work |
| 12:17.37 | fengor | shouldnt that be emu10k1? |
| 12:17.40 | rajix | can anyone help with that please |
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| 12:18.02 | gamer | rajix: What makes you think that you cannot make it "work" ? |
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| 12:18.30 | rajix | because iwconfig doesn#t see the device |
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| 12:18.53 | fengor | x_link: try changing snd-dmu10k1 to snd-emu10k1 and see if that works |
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| 12:19.03 | rajix | wusb54gv2 driver installed |
| 12:19.07 | ustunozgur | abrotman: the rules file includes configure flags. What I want to own is how a package determines which packages are needed for dependencies. |
| 12:19.12 | gamer | rajix: Did you modprobe ndiswrapper ? |
| 12:19.36 | rajix | yeah, i read the wiki on ndiswrapper. for some reaoson i did all the steps |
| 12:19.57 | gamer | rajix: Try to remove the ndiswrapper module and reload the ndiswrapper module and look at "dmesg" |
| 12:20.13 | gamer | rajix: In root "rmmod ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper && dmesg" |
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| 12:21.44 | Alex_WinKiller | guys need help with spamassasin in debian, can someone help ? |
| 12:22.33 | abrotman | ustunozgur: sorry .. meant the control file |
| 12:22.33 | ustunozgur | abrotman: never mind. I found it. apt-cache showsrc <packagename> thanks. |
| 12:22.33 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 12:22.33 | rajix | RROR: Module ndiswrapper does not exist in /proc/modules etf |
| 12:22.34 | rajix | lol |
| 12:23.09 | Alex_WinKiller | can someone help me ? with spamassasin ? I got it installed on Debian and I am running postfix, how I can bind them ? |
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| 12:23.22 | gamer | rajix: Type "modprobe -l | grep ndiswrapper" |
| 12:23.29 | gamer | rajix: In root |
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| 12:23.50 | gamer | rajix: If nothing is displayed in return, you have to install the ndiswrapper's kernel module |
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| 12:24.14 | Alex_WinKiller | !!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEED HELP !!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:24.22 | rajix | how to i do that ? |
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| 12:24.58 | gamer | rajix: The official documentation doesn't give any information about that ? |
| 12:25.22 | rajix | :S me chech again then |
| 12:25.25 | gamer | Alex_WinKiller: Did you try #spamassasin ? |
| 12:25.39 | Ronin | Alex_WinKiller: or learn patience? |
| 12:25.51 | gamer | At least, explain your problem |
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| 12:26.21 | Alex_WinKiller | listen, I need it ,, really quikly :( ,, got no times,, but I am very pation person |
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| 12:26.33 | Ronin | oh this is going to be interesting |
| 12:26.44 | tarzeau | Alex_WinKiller: http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i319/Tanaue/Forum/Halp.jpg |
| 12:26.54 | benjamin_hr | this smells like "too lazy to read myself"-problems ;) |
| 12:26.57 | fengor | Alex_WinKiller, multiple exclamation amrks are a sure sign of an insane mind |
| 12:27.03 | Ronin | benjamin_hr: indeed |
| 12:27.06 | tarzeau | Alex_WinKiller: http://dmnkn1ght.googlepages.com/HALP.jpg |
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| 12:27.17 | benjamin_hr | are a sure sign of someone wearing his underpants on his head ;) |
| 12:27.21 | fengor | Alex_WinKiller: might i recommend http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html to you |
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| 12:27.35 | liable | that was a merge from old-openhal iirc |
| 12:27.57 | tarzeau | Alex_WinKiller: http://halp.istheshit.net/ |
| 12:27.59 | Alex_WinKiller | fengor,, yea ,, really funny :D :D :D :D |
| 12:28.05 | Ronin | heh |
| 12:28.17 | tarzeau | Alex_WinKiller: http://bp1.blogger.com/_MqThGo7hFdU/RldMKz1NEJI/AAAAAAAAAEA/qCFzfluWH94/s1600-h/ohalp.jpg |
| 12:28.23 | zophy | does gcc utilize the intel core 2 cpu's features ? |
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| 12:28.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're not helping |
| 12:28.36 | dimir | alexIdoia: if you need it fast, show is the $$$$ ! |
| 12:28.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: he's not asking properly |
| 12:28.41 | fengor | Alex_WinKiller: actually no, that was a serious offer to help you. if you read the site you would know how to ask about your problem in a way that people would be more willing to help you |
| 12:28.42 | dimir | Alex_WinKiller too |
| 12:28.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're not helping him ask .. you're giving him stupid URLs |
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| 12:29.07 | Alex_WinKiller | what ever :( |
| 12:29.21 | Ronin | Alex_WinKiller: just ask a proper question and be patient |
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| 12:30.07 | alexIdoia | dimir: what ? |
| 12:30.20 | Ronin | alexIdoia: bad tab complete :) |
| 12:30.28 | dimir | Alex_WinKiller: hey, it's easy, http://www.hurring.com/scott/howto/postfix_spamd/ ! |
| 12:30.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: wait, you don't find the stupid urls funny at all? |
| 12:30.38 | alexIdoia | yeah, :) |
| 12:31.00 | fengor | Alex_WinKiller: the way you phrased your problem atm the only answer i can provide to you is: STFW - Search The Fucking Web. there are dozens of spamassassins tutorials out there probably. |
| 12:31.14 | fengor | and if that doesnt answer your question, well then better learn to ask the right way |
| 12:31.28 | tarzeau | fengor: or RTFM, it's all in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 12:31.33 | dimir | there is a third option too. |
| 12:31.34 | fengor | it greatly increases the chances of getting an answer |
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| 12:32.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: ah .. no |
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| 12:32.49 | x_link | fengor: snd-emu10k1? That is that I'm writting/adding |
| 12:33.20 | fengor | ah ok then it was just a typo when you wrote it in your client |
| 12:33.30 | fengor | since you said somethign about adding snd-dmuk10k1 |
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| 12:34.58 | Platyna | ;/c |
| 12:35.05 | gordboy | tarzeau: i found a copy of macbeth in /usr/share/doc. it's incredible what you find in there ... |
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| 12:38.51 | x_link | fengor: Sorry then, yeah typo. I meant snd-emu10k1 |
| 12:39.00 | x_link | I really don't get it, why it's like this. |
| 12:39.52 | fengor | dunno i'm no sound expert i just happen to know that its emu not dmu and thought the typo might be the problem |
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| 12:40.17 | x_link | ;D |
| 12:40.42 | maci | hmm where would one add routes which should be set at system startup .. i know in some old suse versions it had /etc/route.conf |
| 12:41.04 | maci | but i just dont find a the right place on debian |
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| 12:41.33 | maci | and putting 300 routes into /etc/network/interfaces ... well.. would that be the debian way ? |
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| 12:42.04 | massctrl | hello anyone knows if its possible to expand a linux raid 10 (stripe+mirror) with 2 additional disks,... so a 160gb raid consisting out of 4x80gb disks would become a 240gb raid consisting out of 6x80gb. Is this possible or should I forget about it? |
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| 12:44.34 | Gigantic | *moin moin |
| 12:45.18 | abrotman | Ronin: i can't believe i made popcorn for that ... |
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| 12:46.25 | Ronin | bit of a let down actually but popcorn is always nice |
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| 12:48.35 | heanol | would it be possible to change an installed debian system from i386 to amd64? |
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| 12:50.25 | liable | 300 routes?? |
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| 12:54.07 | xand | heanol: no |
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| 13:09.11 | rgsteele_ | xand: Couldn't he just install a new kernel which supports that architecture? |
| 13:10.40 | cast | rgsteele: i think he wants to move from the i386 port to the amd64 port. so he wants a 64bit environ, which means all 64 bit binaries |
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| 13:11.04 | rgsteele | cast: Ah, yes, correct. |
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| 13:14.33 | nathanj | anyone know any good guides to setting up dnsmasq :d |
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| 13:15.42 | Te5f | hey guys, which package does ip fall into "a.k.a ip addr add <mynet> dev br0" |
| 13:15.58 | poncha | nathanj, tried http://www.howtoforge.com/mydns_mydnsconfig_dnsmasp_on_ubuntu_edgy ? |
| 13:16.04 | cast | !tell poncha about search |
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| 13:16.07 | Te5f | is it iproute2 |
| 13:16.08 | Te5f | ? |
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| 13:16.22 | nathanj | poncha ta, looks like a useful site tooo :D |
| 13:16.22 | poncha | cast?? |
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| 13:17.02 | poncha | cast, did i ask for a memo from the bot? :) |
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| 13:18.31 | tolecnal | poncha: you were given a clue on how to find it yourself |
| 13:18.49 | cast | poncha: oh yeah...i ment Te5f, my bad |
| 13:18.57 | poncha | tolecnal, i wasnt looking for anything. besides, that memo is about apt-cache usage :) |
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| 13:19.15 | Te5f | cast, na i man'd ip on my ubuntu box heh found iproute so i fiured :D |
| 13:19.21 | Te5f | thanks to my self guys |
| 13:19.23 | Te5f | babay |
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| 13:19.44 | riddle | salut tout le monde |
| 13:19.50 | xand | !fr |
| 13:19.50 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
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| 13:20.43 | rgsteele | Hm - is there any way to set an alias that holds true for all environments? |
| 13:20.45 | poncha | dont french people ever speak english? |
| 13:21.01 | gamer | poncha: Sometimes :} |
| 13:21.12 | rgsteele | For example, if I do an alias foo='bar', can I do an "export bar" and have it hold true universally on the system? |
| 13:21.12 | nathanj | poncha just got back from france - nope, thank god my gf speaks french ;p |
| 13:21.14 | abrotman | poncha: don't english people ever speak french ? |
| 13:21.18 | rgsteele | er, export foo rather |
| 13:21.50 | lindenle|work | JOIN #hermes Forever |
| 13:21.55 | abrotman | no |
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| 13:22.18 | nathanj | mozilla.org dead? |
| 13:22.19 | poncha | abrotman, i am not englishman, neither am i american. my native language is russian, and i speak english, hebrew and ukrainian additionally. do i expect everyone i meet to talk russian? seriousely... |
| 13:22.32 | abrotman | seriously :) |
| 13:22.53 | abrotman | poncha: everyone should be flexible though! |
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| 13:23.58 | rgsteele | nathanj: No? |
| 13:24.00 | poncha | abrotman, if everyone is gonna expect me speaking their native language - i cant be THAT flexible :) |
| 13:24.13 | Lynoure | poncha: etkö? :) |
| 13:24.32 | abrotman | poncha: you could try! |
| 13:24.51 | Lynoure | poncha: that was "what, you cannot?" or "really, you cannot?" in Finnish :) |
| 13:24.59 | abrotman | poncha: that said .. i can ask where the bathroom is in spanish .. and curse a bunch .. and a little french .. and that's it |
| 13:24.59 | poncha | Lynoure :))) |
| 13:25.04 | gamer | So much for one line in french :} |
| 13:25.09 | rgsteele | Lynoure: Nice, I learned by first Finnish word today :) |
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| 13:25.30 | poncha | abrotman, i know only three sentences in french, third being dirty one :) |
| 13:25.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:25.35 | maikol | how can i get apt-get to stop trying to remove a apckage |
| 13:25.40 | abrotman | i know an albanian curse word! |
| 13:25.41 | Lynoure | rgsteele: more like a word and a handy suffix |
| 13:25.50 | abrotman | maikol: why is it trying? |
| 13:25.51 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:25.51 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 13:26.17 | poncha | and i know how to say "we were looking for hime everywhere but could not find him" in arabic for some reason :) |
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| 13:26.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:26.31 | maikol | abrotman: because it messed up a while back cause i ctrl-c out of it. but the remove fails everytime and i cant install anything unless i do it directly with dpkg |
| 13:26.37 | kennythegeek | hmm... i just installed the fglrx driver for my mobility radeon 9200, but when i do fglrxinfo it says mesa |
| 13:26.47 | alexIdoia | my question might be a bit stupid, but if you set a user in the visudo list such as ALL = /bin/cd , this user will only be able to cd, right ? it will never me able to do a ls for exemple , right ? |
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| 13:27.22 | poncha | maikol, you were trying to remove a package and it got stuck? try to install it back and then deinstall again |
| 13:27.26 | fengor | alexIdoia: the user may use cd as root but he wont be able to use ls as root |
| 13:27.41 | alexIdoia | yes that is what I meant, thanks |
| 13:27.41 | fengor | but he can still use ls at his normal priviliges |
| 13:27.52 | fengor | as far as i understand it |
| 13:28.10 | abrotman | maikol: dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 13:28.11 | maikol | poncha: it was being installed, but taking too long so i stopped it, then now it thinks its installed and wants to remove it but fails. i cant reinstall cause it fails as well |
| 13:28.24 | maikol | abrotman: nothing happens because it thinks they are installed and configured |
| 13:28.26 | fengor | but the questions hints to me that you try to do somthing the wrong way |
| 13:28.34 | fengor | so what are you trying to do alexIdoia ? |
| 13:28.35 | poncha | maikol, try apt-get -f install |
| 13:28.41 | maikol | pngwn: fails |
| 13:28.50 | poncha | wonderful :) |
| 13:28.51 | maikol | poncha: fails |
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| 13:29.38 | poncha | maikol, what if you manually remove --purge it via dpkg ? |
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| 13:31.17 | maikol | poncha: fails |
| 13:31.26 | abrotman | echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections ? |
| 13:31.35 | poncha | maikol, what does it say? |
| 13:31.39 | poncha | (dpkg) |
| 13:31.49 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:31.49 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 13:32.24 | maikol | poncha: http://paste.debian.net/29676 |
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| 13:32.38 | poncha | damn.. how can i change a default editor etch uses? sarge came with vim by default, an etch pisses me off with nano :) |
| 13:32.47 | abrotman | so install vim |
| 13:32.50 | tarzeau | poncha: EDITOR=mcedit for example |
| 13:32.57 | abrotman | poncha: update-alternatives |
| 13:33.00 | poncha | tarzeau, system-wide ? |
| 13:33.04 | tarzeau | poncha: no |
| 13:33.07 | abrotman | or uninstall nano :) |
| 13:33.11 | poncha | oh |
| 13:33.17 | abrotman | poncha: man update-alternatives for systemwide |
| 13:33.17 | poncha | that is an idea :) |
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| 13:33.40 | poncha | who is the genius that changed the defaults anyway? :) |
| 13:33.54 | poncha | and to what.. to that disabled crip? :) |
| 13:34.39 | abrotman | nano isn't that bad |
| 13:34.55 | maikol | doesnt compare to vim though |
| 13:35.02 | poncha | i used pico long time ago... but ever since starting using vim i cant stand it :) |
| 13:35.05 | abrotman | no .. but it's usable |
| 13:35.10 | maikol | true |
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| 13:35.15 | dkdexter | hi, if one can buy a thin client with debian on it, is it possible to take any machine and make in to a thin client with debian? if you can help, plz PM me |
| 13:35.30 | abrotman | why would we PM you? |
| 13:35.34 | tarzeau | !PM |
| 13:35.34 | dpkg | somebody said pm was private message, or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission, or provocative {preventative} maintenance, or percussive maintenance |
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| 13:35.58 | abrotman | dkdexter: google 'debian diskless workstation' |
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| 13:37.41 | massctrl | how can I add "deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian stable main contrib non-free restricted" to my repositories, apt is complaining the public key isn't available,... |
| 13:38.37 | maikol | poncha: anything? |
| 13:39.12 | poncha | maikol, sudo dpkg remove --purge xfonts-base |
| 13:39.27 | poncha | you didnt write the word "remove" :) |
| 13:39.43 | poncha | although.. |
| 13:39.44 | maikol | poncha: said conflicting options: remove and purge |
| 13:40.04 | maikol | remove --purge is for apt-get |
| 13:40.08 | poncha | yeah, but like that purge says "#usage error: unrecognized option" .. |
| 13:40.28 | poncha | oh, thats error about update-fonts-dir usage |
| 13:40.32 | maikol | yeah |
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| 13:42.26 | irule | how can I install perl X<L parser? |
| 13:42.53 | nachox | is there a way to check for the consistensy of an installed package in sarge? |
| 13:43.42 | abrotman | debsums |
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| 13:43.55 | abrotman | massctrl: which key ? |
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| 13:44.15 | abrotman | nachox: debsums |
| 13:45.34 | nachox | checking now |
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| 13:47.14 | massctrl | abrotman: good question, I don't know, ... I just want to be able to install lame |
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| 13:47.43 | dv_ | hi |
| 13:47.46 | abrotman | massctrl: it will tell you in the error .. like "Can't find key for F42ED42AD |
| 13:47.49 | abrotman | or some crap like that |
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| 13:47.58 | dv_ | I noticed that players like mplayer use oss by default in etch |
| 13:48.04 | dv_ | however, I want them to use alsa by default |
| 13:48.09 | abrotman | i'm sure it has an output option |
| 13:48.14 | dv_ | cant find a switch in update-alternatives |
| 13:48.25 | massctrl | abrotman: not available: NO_PUBKEY D5642BC86823D007 |
| 13:48.29 | abrotman | i meant in mplaye |
| 13:48.30 | abrotman | i meant in mplayer |
| 13:48.38 | abrotman | !apt-key 6823D007 |
| 13:48.38 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6823D007 ; gpg --export 6823D007 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 13:48.40 | dv_ | abrotman, yes but I want mplayer to select alsa by default |
| 13:48.48 | abrotman | dv_: systemwide ? |
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| 13:48.50 | dv_ | yes |
| 13:49.05 | abrotman | dv_: load snd_pcm_oss .. should work fine |
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| 13:50.30 | poncha | abrotman, what is that apt-key about? :) |
| 13:50.36 | abrotman | !apt secure |
| 13:50.36 | dpkg | i heard apt secure is See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7.en.html ; apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <no public key> |
| 13:50.56 | poncha | ah |
| 13:51.07 | poncha | but then it fails installing form non-official mirrors :) |
| 13:51.30 | abrotman | the website where he's getting his packages from should tell him how to get the key |
| 13:51.41 | Thms | I just switched to UTF-8, how can I rename all the fils of my external HDD which there is "?" replacing é and è? |
| 13:51.49 | pm2 | Hello - I'm trying to setup a mail server, using postfix and dovecot. I'm configuring this server at a different location from where its going to be permanently, so it doesn't have its official domainname/static IP yet. However, is there a way to test if I have it setup correctly? Eg, simulating receiving an email for a user, and delivering it? |
| 13:52.04 | lindenle | How do I make umlauts work in a terminal (i.e. with dict)? |
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| 13:54.55 | ikke_ | Is it possible to install a sid kernel image on etch without messing the whole libc thing up ? |
| 13:54.55 | Ankman | pm2: run telnet relay-test.mail-abuse.org to see if it relays |
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| 13:54.56 | ikke_ | cause I will be needing to build nvidia modules for it as well |
| 13:54.56 | Ankman | lindenle: you might need "LC_CTYPE=de_DE dict..."to test this |
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| 13:54.57 | poncha | Thms, perhaps by writing a script that would make use of iconv or smth similar to translate and then rename |
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| 13:54.58 | Thms | poncha: i sthere already one ? |
| 13:55.16 | poncha | Thms, i didnt come across one, possibly though |
| 13:55.20 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:55.49 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:56.10 | Thms | what is the default charset of windows XP ? |
| 13:56.16 | Thms | (need it to convert) |
| 13:56.30 | poncha | what is your language? :P |
| 13:56.30 | maikol | poncha: fixed, downloaded the .deb packages manually, dpkg -i those pacakages, everything is workign fine now |
| 13:56.32 | rajix | hi just installed ndiswrapper and loaded the .inf file as well as loaded the ndiswrapper. but how do i get to know if my device is working |
| 13:56.41 | rajix | it is a usb wireless device |
| 13:56.45 | poncha | maikol, nice :) |
| 13:57.03 | Thms | poncha: french |
| 13:57.19 | gamer | Is there a command to consult the changelogs of a Debian package ? I'm wondering if the package "python-clearsilver", version 0.10.3-4.1 has been modified to avoid known problems with Python 2.5 |
| 13:57.29 | gamer | Thms: Codepage 850 |
| 13:57.31 | poncha | Thms, try iso-8859-X (with X matching french, i am not sure what would that be) |
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| 13:57.42 | poncha | gamer, dos ?? :S |
| 13:57.44 | cydork | rajix: does it show a new interface? |
| 13:57.47 | gamer | Thms: or iso-8859-1 / iso-8859-15 |
| 13:57.51 | Thms | hmm poncha it is Windows-1252 |
| 13:57.54 | Thms | huhu |
| 13:58.07 | spheard | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.13 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.15 | rajix | cydork, no, i've got eth0 asnd eth1 only |
| 13:58.16 | poncha | Thms, then just use windows-1252 :) iconv and librecode are aware of it |
| 13:58.26 | rajix | they are both wired |
| 13:58.37 | abrotman | gamer: yes |
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| 13:58.48 | rajix | Bus 005 Device 002: ID 13b1:000d Linksys |
| 13:59.00 | abrotman | !info apt-listchanges etch |
| 13:59.01 | cydork | rajix: ndiswrapper module loaded? anything in dmesg? |
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| 13:59.04 | dpkg | apt-listchanges: (Display change history from .deb archives), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.72.5 (etch), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 432 kB |
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| 13:59.13 | gamer | Thank you |
| 13:59.13 | abrotman | and also aptitude will do it |
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| 13:59.29 | rajix | rajoo@debian:~$ sudo ndiswrapper -l |
| 13:59.30 | rajix | installed drivers: |
| 13:59.30 | rajix | wusb54gv2 driver installed |
| 13:59.47 | gamer | poncha: Well, at least, now, he has all charsets used by Microsoft to define french language (With and Without Euro) :} |
| 13:59.53 | poncha | :))) |
| 14:00.31 | rajix | ndiswrapper version 1.28 loaded (preempt=no,smp=yes) |
| 14:00.31 | rajix | usbcore: registered new driver ndiswrapper |
| 14:00.49 | rajix | thats all it says |
| 14:00.50 | gamer | rajix: iwconfig displays a usable wifi interface ? |
| 14:00.52 | poncha | rajix, if you're pasting, use pastebin |
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| 14:01.03 | cydork | rajix: you checked ifconfig -a? |
| 14:01.08 | rajix | no there is no wifi interface |
| 14:01.58 | poncha | is there a scheduler under linux that has resolution in seconds and not minutes ? (if i need to run smth every X seconds) |
| 14:02.00 | rajix | ahh yes |
| 14:02.08 | spheard | if I set my laptop as a wireless accesspoint. Will I need to set up dhcp too? |
| 14:02.10 | rajix | i found sit0 now |
| 14:02.16 | Thms | poncha: I used convm, it works :) |
| 14:02.19 | rajix | but it guess it is not working |
| 14:02.26 | gamer | poncha: sleep ? :} |
| 14:02.30 | petemc | spheard: only if you want your clients to use dhcp |
| 14:02.31 | illo | rajix dmesg should say something more imho. Have you rebooted after installing the module? it may help |
| 14:02.44 | cydork | rajix: no that's not it.. |
| 14:02.45 | rajix | i did reboot |
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| 14:02.59 | poncha | gamer, while true; do run your stuff; sleep X; done ? |
| 14:03.08 | rajix | let me check the dmesg again |
| 14:03.22 | spheard | petemc: I want people to be able to connect to my laptop and get apache |
| 14:03.29 | petemc | spheard: fantastic |
| 14:03.39 | gamer | poncha: Well, yeah, it does the trick depending of your shell, you may have to phrase it differently |
| 14:03.44 | poncha | gamer, that does not really ensure it will run, and does not have control once i started it :) |
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| 14:03.50 | spheard | petemc: :-) how do I set up dhcp? |
| 14:03.56 | poncha | the above syntax is bash :) |
| 14:04.24 | petemc | spheard: install a dhcpd , dnsmasq works, i use dhcp3-server |
| 14:04.25 | metbsd | where can i find documentation about setting up exim in debian |
| 14:04.27 | poncha | i need (probably) smth more solid :) |
| 14:04.30 | spheard | petemc:I mean, do you install it an it just works? |
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| 14:04.41 | gamer | poncha: Ok :} |
| 14:04.42 | pointer | is there a clean workaround for GPTs on etch for > 2TB drives/luns? The most useful thing I found was Bug#422370 |
| 14:04.49 | pointer | with grub, that is |
| 14:05.00 | petemc | spheard: it can do |
| 14:05.05 | rajix | nope nothing in dmesg |
| 14:05.05 | spheard | :-) |
| 14:05.20 | spheard | petemc: supose like everything |
| 14:05.28 | petemc | right |
| 14:05.40 | spheard | k thansk |
| 14:06.44 | poncha | it looks like today i am full of all kinds of unrelated questions :)))) anyone knows how mature is emdebian? and where do i need to start if i am willing to create an embedded linux-based device? :) |
| 14:07.32 | tarzeau | poncha: their homepage? |
| 14:07.37 | tarzeau | poncha: on what kind of computer? |
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| 14:07.46 | cydork | rajix: ndiswrapper -l should say "hardware present" |
| 14:08.20 | rajix | wusb54gv2 driver installed |
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| 14:08.26 | rajix | mine just say driver present |
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| 14:09.01 | gamer | rajix : Wrong driver ? |
| 14:09.14 | cydork | rajix: did you have that another .sys file in the same dir when you installed the .inf ?? afaik that is needed too |
| 14:09.49 | rajix | i doubt ... there was 3 ... and i'ver installed all 3 drivers |
| 14:09.59 | poncha | tarzeau, what i want is a combination of an external sata2 raid (with all sorts of connectivity, including iscsi) and multimedia box that would be possible to use as a home multimedia *and* backups box :) |
| 14:10.15 | rajix | the only one that said installed was this one .... the 2 other one had erors |
| 14:10.31 | rajix | and yes i did install if in the dir with .sys file |
| 14:10.34 | illo | metbsd install exim4-doc-html and skip the installing part. you'll have debconf meddling with some config at some level, maybe. |
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| 14:11.02 | petemc | illo: dont waste your time |
| 14:11.02 | illo | skip the installing part of the doc i meant |
| 14:11.14 | rajix | what i am finding weird is that in xp it uses rt2500 and here wusb54g |
| 14:11.46 | Ankman | poncha: french also use iso-8859-1 |
| 14:11.53 | illo | feedin a troll was I, pete? :) |
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| 14:12.19 | petemc | illo: not really, just doesnt want any documentation that you have to actually *read* |
| 14:12.38 | cydork | rajix: well check your hardware properly then. and ndiswrapper sucks in many cases :) |
| 14:12.55 | petemc | illo: has been asking same question over and over in #exim |
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| 14:13.15 | poutine | I know this is #debian, and I'm asking an xorg question, but this is on debian, and perhaps others have used the fglrx drivers from apt, and upgraded to the latest from the website. Debian Etch 4.0 for reference |
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| 14:13.22 | poutine | I know officially the ATI proprietary linux drivers do not have Xvideo support, but using an Xv overlay works fine for monitors, however when I use tv-out, the bottom of the videos are cut off, what I'm wondering is a) is there a workaround, and b) has this been fixed since 8.28.8 |
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| 14:13.52 | illo | petemc and exim can be setup by simply replying to debconf questions anyway |
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| 14:15.13 | ikke_ | If I make my own custom kernel image with make-kpkg will I need to worry about making something similair for kernel headers ? |
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| 14:15.28 | liable | no |
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| 14:15.52 | ikke_ | liable, wouldn't m-a whine about missing headers then ? |
| 14:15.58 | Gigantic | I have a modem, I have a microphone... There's some way to use that as telephone? |
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| 14:17.23 | gamer | Is there a reason why "python*2.5*-setuptools" link to "python*2.4*-setuptools" in Debian etch ? |
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| 14:17.57 | illo | gigantic: sure, unplug the modem plug a phone and you're set :) well if the modem and soundcard work under linux you can try voip |
| 14:18.31 | illo | ekiga does voip, but i dunno how much band voip uses |
| 14:18.47 | HostilePenguin | opinions on light weight window managers i use icewm is that as good as it gets? |
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| 14:19.35 | tiiiam | exit |
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| 14:20.49 | Gigantic | :) |
| 14:20.58 | Gigantic | I mean analog telephony] |
| 14:21.10 | Gigantic | the way I use a fax |
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| 14:21.42 | gamer | Well it seems that python2.5 package doesn't validate "python" dependency. |
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| 14:22.53 | HostilePenguin | do all kernels come with selinux? |
| 14:23.26 | illo | gigantic the question depends on the level of linux/debian support for your modem's voice capabilities, if any exist |
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| 14:24.37 | illo | Gigantic, i'd google for what shows under linux as your modem (kde and gnome have tools to display the connected hardware) |
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| 14:26.39 | kakarot | how can i get bitchx to identify the nick when get connected ? |
| 14:26.40 | cast | hmm, any suggestions as to which bsd is going to be easiest to setup in a domU? |
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| 14:26.40 | gamer | cast: Nice guess |
| 14:27.14 | empty_mind | is there a hardwarer detection wizard for debian ? |
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| 14:27.21 | empty_mind | i am on etch with kernel 2.6.18-4 |
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| 14:27.48 | Gigantic | illo: My modem has a venus chipset |
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| 14:28.00 | gamer | cast: You can ask on #openbsd and #freebsd but IIRC, OpenBSD isn't ready for Xen but the 7.x branch of FreeBSD should do. |
| 14:28.01 | illo | empty_mind, "discover" comes to mind |
| 14:28.06 | Gigantic | illo: All capable and fully supported. |
| 14:28.19 | cydork | empty_mind: why? what is the problem? |
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| 14:29.04 | ogamiitto | I've upgraded to debian etch , when i type ps command i get: ps: error while loading shared libraries: libproc.so.3.2.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory error, any clues? |
| 14:29.04 | empty_mind | cydork, my laptop cdrom is not getting detected |
| 14:29.09 | illo | Gigantic, good so now look at suitable software , in section communications for example, and try it |
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| 14:30.07 | cydork | empty_mind: hmm strange .. which laptop? |
| 14:30.29 | Gigantic | mmm |
| 14:30.42 | abrotman | !find libproc.so etch |
| 14:30.49 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libproc.so' returned no results. |
| 14:31.00 | ustunozgur | my computer keeps on halting, how can I trace the error? |
| 14:31.08 | abrotman | ogamiitto: did you finish the dist-upgrade ? |
| 14:31.16 | ogamiitto | yes |
| 14:31.49 | empty_mind | toshiba satellite a1200 |
| 14:32.15 | gamer | I would like to jump of the "hardware detection" question because I want to setup disk images, ready to deploy, on several hardwares and the biggest problem, IMHO, would be the X driver. Is "discover" the software used in LiveCD to alter the X configuration ? |
| 14:32.16 | ogamiitto | abrotman: yes |
| 14:33.02 | cydork | empty_mind: is this a debian kernel?? |
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| 14:33.24 | empty_mind | yes |
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| 14:33.46 | empty_mind | what this error means "required kernel toshiba support not enabled" i get this when i try to run toshiba utils |
| 14:34.00 | ustunozgur | is there a log that shows process cpu consumption history? |
| 14:34.17 | ustunozgur | so that I can see why the computer crashes |
| 14:34.21 | Begasus | how do I set html filetype to be handeld with Iceweasel? |
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| 14:34.48 | junix|work | why can't i install ther google browser sync on iceweasel? |
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| 14:35.27 | cydork | junix|work: it check for user agent. get the xpi directly . |
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| 14:37.44 | tarzeau | is cc by-sa DFSG compliant? |
| 14:39.00 | junix|work | cydork: ok...... |
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| 14:39.59 | Gigantic | nope... I just can see VoIP |
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| 14:40.20 | abrotman | ogamiitto: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade .. make sure |
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| 14:40.52 | illo | apt-cache search modem returns nothing interesting, gigantic? |
| 14:41.00 | ogamiitto | done |
| 14:41.23 | ogamiitto | abrotman: the problem is that i have /usr/bin/ps and /bin/ps and only the last one works (i just found it) |
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| 14:41.35 | abrotman | uhm |
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| 14:41.36 | ogamiitto | but my path in /etc/profile search first in /usr/bin |
| 14:41.49 | abrotman | ogamiitto: there is no /usr/bin/ps in etch |
| 14:41.57 | abrotman | !find usr/bin/ps sarge |
| 14:41.58 | Gigantic | no analogue |
| 14:42.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/bin/ps' (10 of 42): (/usr/bin/psc) in math/sc ;; (/usr/bin/psi) in net/psi ;; (/usr/bin/pspp) in math/pspp ;; (/usr/bin/psh) in shells/psh ;; (/usr/bin/pscan) in misc/pscan ;; (/usr/bin/psrip) in text/psrip ;; (/usr/bin/psf) in graphics/tcm ;; (/usr/bin/psbl) in text/impose+ ;; (/usr/bin/pserver) in net/ncpfs ;; (/usr/bin/pstngw) in comm/pstngw. |
| 14:42.09 | ogamiitto | i've upgradede from 3.1 |
| 14:42.15 | abrotman | !find usr/bin/ps$ sarge |
| 14:42.27 | gamer | illo: If you to create a ToIP or VoIP server, why not look after "asterisk" ? |
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| 14:42.58 | ogamiitto | it will be ok to remove /usr/bin/ps ? |
| 14:43.00 | abrotman | ogamiitto: dpkg -S usr/bin/ps .. which package owns it ? |
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| 14:43.04 | illo | gamer gigantic wants to ddo voice modem simply |
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| 14:43.31 | ogamiitto | bellini:/bin# dpkg -S usr/bin/ps |
| 14:43.32 | ogamiitto | perl: /usr/bin/psed |
| 14:43.32 | ogamiitto | console-tools: /usr/bin/psfstriptable |
| 14:43.32 | ogamiitto | psmisc: /usr/bin/pstree.x11 |
| 14:43.32 | ogamiitto | perl: /usr/bin/pstruct |
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| 14:43.35 | gamer | illo: Okay |
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| 14:43.50 | ogamiitto | sorry about the flood |
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| 14:45.22 | Begasus | I can't open html files from any application after installing Firefox/Iceweasel (like clicking a link in IRC) |
| 14:45.36 | abrotman | ogamiitto: so my question is .. where did it come from ... |
| 14:45.52 | abrotman | ogamiitto: no package claims to own that /usr/bin/ps |
| 14:45.59 | abrotman | ogamiitto: is this an internet server ? |
| 14:46.03 | ogamiitto | yes |
| 14:46.15 | ogamiitto | it had debian sarge |
| 14:46.21 | abrotman | any other binaries acting funny? |
| 14:46.21 | ogamiitto | and today i've upgraded the system |
| 14:46.42 | abrotman | a ps that crashes somewhere that it shouldn't reside .. screams 'cracked' to me |
| 14:47.04 | abrotman | Begasus: what's your desktop ? |
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| 14:47.18 | Begasus | gnome abrotman |
| 14:47.25 | ogamiitto | i don't thing so |
| 14:47.29 | abrotman | Begasus: it has a "Default Applications" applet you have to set |
| 14:47.31 | ogamiitto | ups |
| 14:47.39 | abrotman | ogamiitto: uhm .. okay .. it's just suspicious |
| 14:47.41 | ogamiitto | no other binary working weird |
| 14:47.51 | abrotman | very suspicious |
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| 14:50.53 | ogamiitto | abrotman: yes, it looks quite strange |
| 14:51.01 | abrotman | ogamiitto: you can try chkrootkit |
| 14:52.57 | Begasus | abrotman: ... url handler for http is linked to "/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command" atm .. how do I set that to Firefox/Iceweasel? |
| 14:53.23 | abrotman | handler where? |
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| 14:53.36 | abrotman | i think there's a dropdown to do it ? |
| 14:53.42 | Begasus | desktop gnome |
| 14:53.54 | Begasus | no dropdown there ... |
| 14:54.40 | Begasus | hmm .. that should be "gnome-www-browser %s" |
| 14:54.56 | abrotman | Begasus: if you turly can't figure it out .. try #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 14:55.22 | ogamiitto | abrotman: i will |
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| 14:55.23 | Begasus | k thnx abrotman |
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| 15:00.35 | blinx | why the mount process of a nfs mountpoint takes so long time ? |
| 15:00.43 | blinx | I have a 1GBit network |
| 15:00.52 | heh_v_water | maybe someone could point me in the right direction... The college has a Sun Blade 150 that nobody uses ever so I messed around a while back and installed debian on it. Question is about hardware. I'd like to put a wireless nic in it, is it just x86? |
| 15:00.56 | blinx | what I can do to avoid that? |
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| 15:02.01 | cso | anyone know the command to write an ISO image to cd on lenny? |
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| 15:02.14 | chmeee | I'm experiencing a problem with konqueror after doing an upgrade today. Is there a known issue about https being broken? |
| 15:02.19 | cso | wodim dev=0 /home/cso/Desktop/etch/debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso tells me that "No write mode specified." |
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| 15:05.40 | cast | to answer my question before about xen |
| 15:05.59 | cast | netbsd is a no go as they don't have PAE support, unless you want to recompile the debian shniz |
| 15:06.14 | abrotman | heh_v_water: google! |
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| 15:06.37 | abrotman | heh_v_water: but i think they are sparc |
| 15:06.44 | heh_v_water | abrotman, I have been LOTS and I'm not seeing anything that sticks out |
| 15:07.33 | abrotman | heh_v_water: i think the only x86 stuff they make is servers |
| 15:07.34 | chmeee | well, fixed that. Had to logout of KDE |
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| 15:07.35 | heh_v_water | abrotman, it has pci slots I wonder if there is specific hardware limitations |
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| 15:08.08 | abrotman | i think pci is pci .. but you'd still have a problem with drivers |
| 15:08.16 | abrotman | heh_v_water: you might want to ask the sparc channel |
| 15:08.24 | heh_v_water | abrotman, in there ;) |
| 15:08.32 | abrotman | i'm sure it's slow in there though |
| 15:08.36 | heh_v_water | yah |
| 15:09.01 | heh_v_water | plus debian is eliminating sparc for lenny right? |
| 15:09.06 | abrotman | heh_v_water: it should have a model number |
| 15:09.17 | abrotman | heh_v_water: that's sparc32 .. which hasn't been produced in like 10 years or some crap |
| 15:09.27 | heh_v_water | oh, the old lunchbox stuff etc |
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| 15:09.52 | abrotman | sparc64 came out in 95 |
| 15:09.59 | zack242 | are there are any iptables scripts I can use - a simple script for a lone machine on the internet with a single ethernet card? |
| 15:10.15 | heh_v_water | I guess what I'll do if all else fails in just slap a card in there and see if I can build drivers for it and use it... |
| 15:10.17 | ogamiitto | abrotman: seems that no rootkit is installed |
| 15:10.19 | g00se | In 4.3.1 docs for USB stick boot we have zcat boot.img.gz >/dev/sdc1 (or other devie). Do i take it there is NO fs mounted on it? |
| 15:10.22 | petemc | zack242: to do what? |
| 15:10.59 | zack242 | stop spoof attacks, close ports, etc |
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| 15:11.30 | heh_v_water | I think they're gonna let me take the thing home and it's brand new, if all else fails it will become an asterisk server |
| 15:11.59 | cso | maybe ill use xcdroast .. |
| 15:12.05 | heh_v_water | well it's 3 years old but I am the only one that has ever used it |
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| 15:13.56 | abrotman | ogamiitto: NFC .. just remove the binary? |
| 15:14.10 | abrotman | heh_v_water: they're really not that nice of machines IIRC |
| 15:14.17 | ogamiitto | ogamiitto: yes |
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| 15:14.26 | ogamiitto | abrotman: thanks for your help |
| 15:14.32 | abrotman | okay! |
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| 15:14.38 | abrotman | heh_v_water: 256MB or 512MB ? |
| 15:14.58 | abrotman | heh_v_water: if it's free .. that's one thing .. if you gotta pay for it .. you can get better elsewhere i'm sure |
| 15:16.01 | abrotman | heh_v_water: build driverse against what? doesn't it run solaris ? |
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| 15:16.36 | heh_v_water | abrotman, no i installed debian to it a year ago |
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| 15:16.39 | abrotman | oh |
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| 15:16.59 | heh_v_water | abrotman, thats what it had on it hehe |
| 15:17.03 | abrotman | i'm sure it did |
| 15:17.12 | abrotman | i've got enough machines running debian .. and i like solaris |
| 15:17.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: you like solaris? |
| 15:17.26 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:17.35 | abrotman | AIX not so much .. but solaris i do |
| 15:17.48 | tarzeau | and debian gnu/solaris ? |
| 15:17.49 | abrotman | and irix is fun! |
| 15:17.55 | tarzeau | OPENSTEP? |
| 15:17.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: solaris .. not some weird thing you play with |
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| 15:18.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: we have some solaris workstations in the center, that i can use, but ugh... |
| 15:18.28 | heh_v_water | abrotman, Solaris is okay and stuff but when I did it I figured it would probably be more flexible with debian as far as desktop apps and such |
| 15:18.30 | abrotman | they're fun! |
| 15:18.32 | tarzeau | i really like debian |
| 15:18.41 | tarzeau | fun yes, nice not so |
| 15:18.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: odd .. you go out of your way to do things the non-debian way |
| 15:19.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: you mean nvidia video drivers? |
| 15:19.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: luckily for me .. your opinions don't sway me .. i like solaris .. works for me .. not your problem |
| 15:19.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: i just pick what works best for me |
| 15:19.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: oh, it's not like i want you to have the same opinion like me |
| 15:19.32 | heh_v_water | tarzeau, thats funny cause I do almost everything the debian way BUT the nvidia drivers |
| 15:19.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: i mean, what do you like about solaris? |
| 15:19.36 | petemc | everyone should agree with me |
| 15:19.42 | tarzeau | heh_v_water: heh, me too :) |
| 15:19.45 | abrotman | heh_v_water: he doesn't do them the debina way either |
| 15:19.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: what's not to like! |
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| 15:20.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: but heh_v_water doesn't do it the debian way either? |
| 15:20.10 | Azar | tarzeau is experimenting stuff... |
| 15:20.12 | abrotman | wow ... |
| 15:20.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: see there's GOOD reasons to do the nvidia drivers NOT the debian way |
| 15:20.18 | tarzeau | heh_v_water: why? |
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| 15:20.40 | tarzeau | it's not like debian does all the things the right way |
| 15:21.01 | heh_v_water | tarzeau, one: newer drivers, two every time I've tried doing it the debian way it's been a complete pain in the $%^ and rarely works well |
| 15:21.12 | tarzeau | heh_v_water: hehe, exactly the same here |
| 15:21.12 | abrotman | you both do it the same way .. stop confusing each other! |
| 15:21.15 | tarzeau | heh_v_water: soooo exactly the same |
| 15:21.33 | tarzeau | heh_v_water: the debian nvidia package guy is a moron |
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| 15:21.42 | Azar | looks like gamers will never be happy with a stable setup |
| 15:21.44 | heh_v_water | tarzeau, yet I think this is because of my set ways maybe cause I started using nvidia drivers in woody I believe it was |
| 15:21.46 | azeem | tarzeau: stop calling people names, please |
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| 15:21.50 | azeem | or do it elsewhere |
| 15:21.55 | tarzeau | Azar: look it has nothing to do with stability |
| 15:22.37 | tarzeau | heh_v_water: i'm interested getting the debian way fixed, just to get abrotman shut. can we talk on this later? gotta take the bus |
| 15:22.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: i doubt you will fix it :) |
| 15:22.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: why not? |
| 15:22.59 | abrotman | we'll see ... |
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| 15:22.59 | Azar | tarzeau: there is gnu compliance and non-compliance, then there is good looks and ok looks |
| 15:23.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: when i say i'll look into it, i will |
| 15:23.08 | abrotman | sure |
| 15:23.18 | heh_v_water | tarzeau, I don't even know what is broken I just stopped using them a long time ago and never looked back |
| 15:23.19 | abrotman | enjoy the bus! |
| 15:23.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's hot like UNF. |
| 15:23.38 | Azar | and hello honorable azeem :) |
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| 15:24.14 | abrotman | does everyone that lives in europe complain about the heat? |
| 15:24.16 | tarzeau | heh_v_water: using your own kernels too or debian only? |
| 15:24.19 | zack242 | oops - i did iptable --flush remotely - any way to rescue the shell? |
| 15:24.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: usually not, no |
| 15:24.33 | abrotman | zack242: it's not the shell .. it's the system |
| 15:24.37 | heh_v_water | tarzeau, debian-only kernels |
| 15:24.38 | abrotman | zack242: and not that i'm aware of |
| 15:24.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: we don't got an AC here |
| 15:24.47 | abrotman | and? |
| 15:24.52 | tarzeau | it's too hot |
| 15:24.54 | abrotman | what makes you think i do ? |
| 15:24.54 | Azar | tarzeau: how hot? |
| 15:25.09 | cast | zack242: that and you have a drop policy on that chain? |
| 15:25.12 | tarzeau | Azar: very! VERY hot, vulcanic heats |
| 15:25.13 | cast | zack242: oh noes. |
| 15:25.15 | abrotman | zack242: i've done the same thing a few times .. and i ended up giong to the console |
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| 15:25.40 | maddash | haha 'vulcanic' |
| 15:26.06 | Azar | tarzeau: this is first year in 5 california is having a nice not-so-hot weather so far.. remains to see july-aug-sept.. |
| 15:27.05 | heh_v_water | anyhow I can't comment on recent nvidia stuff the debian way I just know from my own old experiences that using the nvidia binary gets me what I want.. for all i know it works just fine nowadays |
| 15:27.25 | abrotman | eh .. weather.com says it's 75F in vienna .. |
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| 15:27.49 | Azar | ahhh I miss vienna.. great weather all year round |
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| 15:28.29 | Azar | abrotman: going there anytime soon? |
| 15:28.36 | abrotman | i'm not allowed |
| 15:28.57 | Ronin | no fly list? :) |
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| 15:29.06 | Azar | Ronin! :) |
| 15:29.11 | abrotman | tarzeau won't let me go there ... |
| 15:29.34 | Azar | big loss... if you ever go try a viener schnitzel... best thing ever |
| 15:29.39 | Bushmills | heh_v_water: nvidia has dropped support for a number of their devices now. |
| 15:29.50 | Bushmills | bad luck if you happen to have one of those |
| 15:30.02 | Bushmills | and try to use their binary |
| 15:30.07 | abrotman | Bushmills: they have a legacy driver |
| 15:30.14 | Azar | Bushmills: it looks like amd/ati will take the lead over nvidia soon |
| 15:30.20 | heh_v_water | Bushmills, I believe all of the dropped devices use the nv driver |
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| 15:30.35 | abrotman | stew! |
| 15:30.37 | Bushmills | to be compiled. won;t compile here, because of syntax errors in their files./ |
| 15:30.42 | stew | abrotman: yo |
| 15:30.47 | abrotman | stew: you're not fish food! |
| 15:30.51 | stew | nope |
| 15:30.52 | Ragnaroek | Hello |
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| 15:30.56 | abrotman | stew: or bear food :) |
| 15:30.59 | not_benh | morning all. |
| 15:31.03 | stew | unless 'you are what you eat' |
| 15:31.11 | abrotman | you ate bear? |
| 15:31.22 | stew | i've eaten more fish in the last 2 weeks than in the previous year |
| 15:32.54 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:32.55 | heh_v_water | Bushmills, I use the nvidia binary install regularly, I install the new drivers about once a month or two, havent had a problem at all |
| 15:32.55 | not_benh | I'm running in to some weird dep loop, I've tried apt-get -f install and uninstall but still get a warning about libghc6-hdbc-missingh-dev haveing unmet deps. is there another way around this? |
| 15:32.56 | Bushmills | heh_v_water: i had no problems with their drivers, until they dropped support for my controller, and their legacy driver won't compile |
| 15:32.56 | not_benh | I should also note I'm tracking testing |
| 15:32.56 | not_benh | if that helps |
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| 15:32.56 | Azar | not_benh: uninstall with apt-get and install back with aptitude |
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| 15:32.57 | heh_v_water | Bushmills, isn't the legacy driver the same thing as the nv driver built into all recent kernels? |
| 15:32.57 | not_benh | Azar: will try thanks |
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| 15:33.00 | abrotman | heh_v_water: i don't think so |
| 15:33.08 | Bushmills | heh_v_water: "built into kernels"? |
| 15:33.25 | heh_v_water | Bushmills, enabled/compiled/available |
| 15:33.34 | Bushmills | heh_v_water: using the kernel sources, i compiled the nvidia drivers seperately |
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| 15:33.56 | abrotman | sng! |
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| 15:34.08 | webustany | hi there |
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| 15:34.42 | heh_v_water | Bushmills, that must be some damn old card your using... |
| 15:34.43 | Bushmills | heh_v_water: ah, get you now. no. legacy is with gl, but for those devices not supported anymore by their recent drivers |
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| 15:35.09 | Bushmills | heh_v_water: nv18 controller (GeForce4 MX) |
| 15:35.44 | Bushmills | on board controller |
| 15:35.45 | Bushmills | not a card to replace ... |
| 15:36.32 | heh_v_water | Bushmills, weird I have yet to see an nvidia card not work with debian |
| 15:36.44 | zack242 | How come I allow port 53 to be open through iptables (for bind) but it remains closed? every other port is fine |
| 15:37.00 | heh_v_water | including onboards stuff on laptops etc etc |
| 15:37.12 | Bushmills | heh_v_water: nvidia simply dropped support for those. |
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| 15:37.22 | mmlj4 | that's "every good boy does fine" |
| 15:37.34 | Bushmills | heh_v_water: akin to saying "we want to sell you a more recent controller" |
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| 15:37.53 | heh_v_water | Bushmills, that would definitely fall in with modern trends |
| 15:38.10 | not_benh | Azar: humm now I'm getting an error about MissingH-0.16.0 not existing, I've checked via debians package search and cant find it there eather? is there a good place to find debs that are not tracked by debian or were and have been droped? |
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| 15:43.05 | webustany | Are there special flavours of debian for embedded systems ? I saw SLIND, but I'd like to know if there are other options too |
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| 15:45.45 | dankgreenchile | Mira, Im using ndis with modprobe for 3 diff wifi cards, 2 show in iwconfig, if i try to bring one up with ifconfig, one gets SIOCSIFFFLAGS: no file or dir |
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| 15:46.06 | dankgreenchile | the other one shows up in iwconfig but I can never get it to connect to any AP |
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| 15:46.10 | dankgreenchile | any ideas? |
| 15:46.32 | marc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.57 | gribelu | hello.. is there a way to remove (or list?) build dependencies for a package after i did apt-get build-dep <package>? thank you |
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| 15:47.55 | not_benh | Azar: thanks so much got thru that one. |
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| 15:53.22 | Micromus | How can I find out which distro and version im running on a box? |
| 15:53.38 | Micromus | uname -a only gives kernel versions etc |
| 15:54.02 | __himura__ | Micromus: you can try cat /etc/redhat-release |
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| 15:54.57 | __himura__ | Is anyone here gonna go to debconf? |
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| 15:55.54 | abrotman | !version |
| 15:55.54 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
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| 15:56.10 | abrotman | __himura__: wtf does redhat-release have to do with debian ? |
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| 15:56.26 | abrotman | __himura__: and yes .. i'm sure someone here is giong to debconf |
| 15:56.42 | Micromus | so its usual to have a /etc/distro-file ? |
| 15:57.00 | abrotman | Micromus: of some sort .. debian's is /etc/debian_version |
| 15:57.03 | __himura__ | abrotman: well I just thought that anyone looking for its distro name can't be using debian |
| 15:57.09 | abrotman | why not? |
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| 15:57.20 | Micromus | stop arguing, and thank you |
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| 15:59.29 | MrTelephone | I'm experiencing some ssh lag on one of my new dual xeon servers.. Is there anything I can check for that may cause the problem. It is done over the same network so I shouldn't have any lag.. |
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| 16:01.15 | cast | ffs. any idea why 3 different nics wouldnt work properly in a pc but the integrated would? |
| 16:01.26 | MrTelephone | I have the same problem cast |
| 16:01.33 | abrotman | IRQ conflict ? |
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| 16:01.45 | MrTelephone | I moved the network card to another pci slot |
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| 16:01.54 | MrTelephone | what would happen if you disabled APIC in the bios? |
| 16:03.02 | cast | tried different pci slots |
| 16:03.04 | MrTelephone | will that cause debian to run poorly? |
| 16:03.04 | MrTelephone | what do you mean by not working properly cast |
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| 16:03.07 | cast | well with the gig eth nic it plugs in, the 100mbps light lights up, and the data light flickers constantly |
| 16:03.18 | MrTelephone | what is it plugged into? |
| 16:03.27 | cast | consumer level router |
| 16:03.30 | MrTelephone | what does ifconfig say? |
| 16:04.04 | MrTelephone | its not negotiating a link |
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| 16:04.30 | cast | that nic has worked before, in the same comp and same router. what do you think would cause it to take a dump? |
| 16:05.12 | MrTelephone | rule out your router by plugging it into something else |
| 16:05.42 | cast | unfortunately i have nothing else :< |
| 16:05.51 | MrTelephone | I built a new machine with a gig net onboard and everytime I do torrents the computer locks up solid.. gig nics arn't very good :( |
| 16:06.03 | MrTelephone | what does ifconfig say? |
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| 16:06.29 | cast | hmm, now i'm back to trying to get the internal to work |
| 16:06.48 | MrTelephone | are the interfaces up? |
| 16:06.54 | MrTelephone | IFCONFIG |
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| 16:07.43 | cast | hmm its up now. |
| 16:07.47 | cast | switched to another cable |
| 16:07.57 | cast | there's still something funny going on, more than just a cable issue |
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| 16:08.31 | MrTelephone | i had similar issues this morning and moving the card worked but then I moved the card down a slot before because of the same problem |
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| 16:08.40 | MrTelephone | so every month im moving the card to another pci slot? wtf |
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| 16:09.12 | MrTelephone | im having issues with remote slowness on my server and I can't pinpoint the problem |
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| 16:10.28 | RaphaelZ | hi |
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| 16:10.51 | |Lupin| | Hello, folks. |
| 16:11.20 | |Lupin| | Please, how to install packages from the experimental distribution ? is that documented somewhere ? |
| 16:11.46 | rahul | such a question is scary. |
| 16:11.51 | stew | !experimental |
| 16:11.52 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 16:13.19 | cast | would be so nice if hardware worked properly. |
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| 16:13.51 | bolt | generally, it does |
| 16:14.06 | |Lupin| | thanks for the pointer |
| 16:14.32 | bolt | then you wouldn't have to ask |
| 16:14.53 | MrTelephone | maybe its my dlink router that sucks crap |
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| 16:16.07 | cast | MrTelephone: i can reboot my router with nmap 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:16.44 | MrTelephone | try getting a driver for your network card off the manufacturer website |
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| 16:18.43 | Azar | cast: I used to have and use a dlink router, they don't support linux, all admin was done from the windows box |
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| 16:19.06 | Azar | ... but that was like 6 years ago... |
| 16:19.11 | stoned | Azar: I never buy anything but linksys wrt |
| 16:19.20 | stoned | Azar: the linux support is what I want |
| 16:19.21 | |Lupin| | bolt: not knowing how to install a package from exp does not meet one does not know what the package does, that's different. |
| 16:19.24 | MrTelephone | well im gonna throw another vlan on the switch and put my office on that |
| 16:19.34 | Azar | stoned: right, well back then I was just a very new linux user... |
| 16:19.40 | stoned | Azar: when was that? |
| 16:19.46 | Azar | stoned: 6 years ago |
| 16:19.52 | stoned | Azar: ah word |
| 16:20.22 | stoned | Azar: I been using linux since redhat 6.2 |
| 16:20.33 | stoned | Azar: I can't remember when, i think 96 or 97 |
| 16:20.42 | Azar | stoned: hehe.. long long time |
| 16:21.12 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 16:21.13 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:21.27 | stoned | Azar: well my school had unix before that, so in middle school and jr. high I was using unix and mac lc75 series with os 7 and os 8 gold |
| 16:21.32 | stoned | rahul: hi |
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| 16:21.51 | rahul | stoned: you coming on friday? |
| 16:21.56 | rahul | er msg |
| 16:21.56 | stoned | rahul: where? |
| 16:21.58 | stoned | ok |
| 16:22.01 | Azar | stoned: if you see rahul, can you please tell him I appologize for yesterday's incident |
| 16:22.14 | stoned | dude... hes right here |
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| 16:22.30 | Azar | stoned: I thought he don't want to hear from me ever again :) |
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| 16:22.32 | stoned | rahul: Azar wants to say something to you. also, im waiting on your msg |
| 16:22.40 | rahul | heh |
| 16:22.47 | rahul | !penixstrike Azar |
| 16:22.47 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Azar to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:22.56 | Azar | :) xoxoxo |
| 16:23.11 | rahul | grr had to identify |
| 16:23.11 | stoned | what is xoxoxoxo i see that a lot |
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| 16:23.17 | rahul | hugs and kisses |
| 16:23.19 | Azar | hugs and kisses |
| 16:23.52 | |Lupin| | bye all, thanks for helping. |
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| 16:23.53 | trpr | lol. i have been putting those at the end my letters to grandma since i was a little kid |
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| 16:25.51 | stoned | xoxo? how the fuck does this equate to hugs n kisses |
| 16:25.51 | Azar | chat lingo |
| 16:25.51 | stoned | it looks more like a football play |
| 16:25.51 | AKX | "irssi: relocation error: /lib/libresolv.so.2: symbol __res_iclose, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link tie" -- any ideas how to (pun not intended) resolve this? |
| 16:25.52 | rahul | when a hot chick does it, you don't ask those kinds of questions |
| 16:25.52 | trpr | got me. its pre-internet as far as i know |
| 16:25.52 | rahul | when Azar does it, you ask other kinds of questions :P |
| 16:25.52 | cast | wait a second...where are all my xen created network interfaces, i only see eth0 and lo in ifconfig |
| 16:25.52 | rahul | that's one fucked up football play |
| 16:25.52 | Azar | omg I never intended to make you think of...ehh |
| 16:25.52 | rahul | hehe |
| 16:25.52 | trpr | make me think of my grandma? too late :p |
| 16:25.52 | stoned | AKX: thas weird |
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| 16:25.53 | rahul | AKX: looks like you're using unstable |
| 16:25.53 | rahul | or maybe a new libc went into testing ... ! |
| 16:26.32 | stoned | bbl |
| 16:26.43 | rahul | arse |
| 16:27.02 | Azar | rahul: that's ok I will be here keeping you company |
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| 16:28.03 | xand | O.o |
| 16:29.10 | cast | so what pkg/script is supposed to bring up xenbr0? |
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| 16:32.29 | Azar | so since early we were talking nvidia things, some news about linux driver development: http://www.abclinuxu.cz/clanky/rozhovory/andy-ritger-nvidia?page=1 |
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| 16:35.14 | cast | i didn't comment out (network-script network-bridge) :( |
| 16:35.17 | cast | i suck. |
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| 16:36.18 | pengwen | hi, im having problems getting my shell-window to cover the whole screen... and no, im not using x |
| 16:36.24 | Azar | hehe "NVIDIA's stance is to neither help nor hinder Nouveau" << but also it does not motivate them to cooperate with free open source developers either |
| 16:37.14 | Azar | pengwen: newbie first thought: use your monitor settings? |
| 16:37.55 | pengwen | Azar: very much newbie, at least on the shell without x part |
| 16:37.55 | pengwen | so... where? |
| 16:38.05 | xand | pengwen: CRT or LCD? |
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| 16:38.19 | pengwen | lcd, its a portable i use as a home-server |
| 16:38.22 | Azar | pengwen: ofcourse x-less... use enlarge lateral, enhance height ^ v < > |
| 16:38.38 | pengwen | it has 1024x768 |
| 16:38.40 | pengwen | i think :) |
| 16:38.45 | Azar | ewwwwwwww that why |
| 16:38.53 | xand | probably press the "auto" button on it |
| 16:38.57 | Azar | it should use the minimal on console mode |
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| 16:39.45 | pengwen | auto-button? |
| 16:40.27 | abrotman | use the Turbo button! |
| 16:41.18 | pengwen | i have no clue what your talking about... |
| 16:42.20 | simonrvn | i don't even understand how a console screen could not be using the full screen size.... |
| 16:42.26 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 16:42.32 | abrotman | simonrvn: when the tube goes .. and it shrinks! |
| 16:42.36 | pengwen | same here |
| 16:43.11 | simonrvn | ha ha. irrelevant here abrotman |
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| 16:43.29 | Azar | pengwen: I assume you have not installed X server at all and use your system in console/terminal mode only, right? |
| 16:43.38 | pengwen | yes |
| 16:43.40 | simonrvn | (you've made better ones, have a coffee) |
| 16:43.54 | abrotman | i just ate! |
| 16:44.03 | simonrvn | so have a smoke :P |
| 16:44.05 | pengwen | oh my! so did i! |
| 16:44.08 | pengwen | isj... |
| 16:44.17 | Azar | pengwen: in my very small, poor, and little experience I never used a gui resolution in console mode |
| 16:44.34 | pengwen | Azar: hihi |
| 16:44.39 | pengwen | anyone else? |
| 16:44.41 | cast | well thats an interesting message from ping |
| 16:44.48 | Azar | 1024x768 is a gui resolution, |
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| 16:44.56 | abrotman | Azar: it can be a console res too |
| 16:44.58 | cast | Warning: time of day goes back -160us, taking countermeasures |
| 16:45.07 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 16:45.11 | cast | 64 bytes from google.... time=0.000 ms |
| 16:45.11 | Azar | abrotman: thanks for the heads up |
| 16:45.24 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 16:45.29 | pengwen | abrotman: so how do i make debian use all of my pixels? |
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| 16:46.49 | abrotman | pengwen: look at Escher drawings |
| 16:47.04 | nunu | hi, a short quastion I'm looking for a program that can turn all pictures in a specific folder at 90 |
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| 16:47.06 | pengwen | abrotman: what? |
| 16:47.24 | abrotman | pengwen: i haven't been following the conversation .. but i'm guessing oyu're trying to use framebuffer on your LCD screen at a non-native resolution .. right ? |
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| 16:47.34 | abrotman | nunu: imagemagik |
| 16:47.35 | TrueDD | Salut tous |
| 16:47.41 | Ronin | !fr |
| 16:47.41 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:47.47 | pengwen | abrotman: pretty much |
| 16:47.48 | simonrvn | imagemagick even |
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| 16:47.59 | Amarande | hmm |
| 16:47.59 | abrotman | pengwen: try a resolution that doesn't require stretching |
| 16:48.12 | Corephix | Are there a stable version of "Pidgin" for Debian? |
| 16:48.14 | Amarande | any idea why iceweasel on etch is so godawful unstable compared to Firefox or even IE on Windows? |
| 16:48.18 | pengwen | and my armada dosnt even wonna strech |
| 16:48.22 | Ropechoborra | Hi, Im trying to install the grub for a debian (wich failed in the install setup) but when i do the grub-install it says xfs_freeze: specified file "/debian/boot/grub is not on an XFS filesystem. This is the contents of the device map /debian/boot/grub/device.map |
| 16:48.28 | Amarande | Core: pull the source from sid and build against etch |
| 16:48.57 | Amarande | For some reason Iceweasel crashes on me several times a day, while Windows browsers never did that |
| 16:49.05 | abrotman | !tell Corephix about backports |
| 16:49.06 | Amarande | Does Mozilla just not really even care about Linux? |
| 16:49.12 | abrotman | Amarande: are you using flash? |
| 16:49.15 | Ronin | Amarande: more likely something in the website and not that |
| 16:49.18 | stew | Amarande: i leave iceweasel running for weeks without problems. perhaps its an extension you are using? |
| 16:49.21 | Amarande | yeah, I think flash is installed |
| 16:49.34 | abrotman | Amarande: try it without flash .. see if it's more stable .. adobe really doesn't care about linux :) |
| 16:49.51 | pengwen | flash is evel! |
| 16:49.52 | Amarande | ahh, is the instability of linux flash specifically designed to get people to buy vista instead? |
| 16:50.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm not stopping you from going to vienna |
| 16:50.13 | stew | Amarande: no, the instability of flash is not intentional |
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| 16:50.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: i saw the papers .. you can't deny it! |
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| 16:50.44 | pengwen | abrotman: any ideas on hot to get it using all 1024x768? |
| 16:50.52 | Ronin | Amarande: put on your tin foil hat the black copters are out |
| 16:50.54 | abrotman | pengwen: what's the native resolution of your LCD ? |
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| 16:50.58 | nunu | abrotman, how do run that program ? |
| 16:50.58 | Amarande | someone ought to make a free clone of flash :| |
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| 16:51.05 | abrotman | nunu: ? |
| 16:51.07 | nunu | imagemagick I mean ? |
| 16:51.07 | tarzeau | Amarande: no way |
| 16:51.08 | stew | Amarande: apt-cache show gnash |
| 16:51.12 | abrotman | nunu: oh .. read the man page .. |
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| 16:51.20 | tarzeau | Amarande: what about you help make new levels for www.sauerbraten.org ? |
| 16:51.23 | tarzeau | Amarande: btw there's gnash? |
| 16:51.24 | pengwen | abrotman: eh :) 1024x768? |
| 16:51.30 | abrotman | are you sure? |
| 16:51.35 | nunu | yes ok ... I'm very short on time ^^ but thx |
| 16:51.38 | abrotman | and are you sure the framebuffer is at that ? |
| 16:51.49 | Amarande | tarzeau, how stable is it compared to adobe's? |
| 16:51.50 | pengwen | how do i see that? |
| 16:51.54 | tarzeau | Amarande: crap |
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| 16:52.05 | Amarande | ouch. |
| 16:52.06 | simonrvn | the instability of flash is management who don't care about linux or their product since they aren't paying clients |
| 16:52.06 | tarzeau | Amarande: i'd rather make a cheap movie parody of flash gordon |
| 16:52.10 | abrotman | but getting better every other day! |
| 16:52.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: amazon.com .. see flesh gordon |
| 16:52.21 | tarzeau | simonrvn: and we can't use amd64 debian because of crap adobe |
| 16:52.23 | Amarande | that's like saying flash is like, say, beryllium-8, and gnash is like lithium-10 :P |
| 16:52.25 | Bogus8 | anyone got a clue how I could fix my clock? It says 6:51 AM vs 11:51 AM.... the time zone is set properly and it's configured to use UTC |
| 16:52.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: i know those flesh porn stuff |
| 16:52.32 | Ronin | abrotman: why am i not surprised you know flesh gordon |
| 16:52.44 | abrotman | Ronin: i got it for a friend of mine who is totally into comic books :) |
| 16:52.49 | tarzeau | Ronin: a wanker brotman? |
| 16:52.58 | abrotman | Ronin: he didn't find it funny |
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| 16:53.02 | Amarande | simonrvn, it's not like graphics developers don't use linux, though |
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| 16:53.12 | Ronin | abrotman: acquired taste i guess heh |
| 16:53.18 | Amarande | If graphics devs didn't use Linux, would Maya be as supported as it is? |
| 16:53.18 | abrotman | Ronin: NFC .. i never watched it |
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| 16:53.35 | tarzeau | Amarande: who cares? we have free 3d software |
| 16:53.38 | Amarande | (lemme guess, if I bought maya for linux instead of windows, I'd probably be wasting $2000) |
| 16:53.48 | pengwen | abrotman: how do i see that? |
| 16:54.01 | abrotman | pengwen: you buy it from amazon |
| 16:54.05 | abrotman | oh .. the resolution |
| 16:54.07 | pengwen | hehe |
| 16:54.08 | simonrvn | Amarande: who said anything about devs? although that opinion/statement started off targetted at devs, i quickly realised that it wouldn't be up to them |
| 16:54.14 | tuvwx | how do i select digital audio output? i can't find 'digital' in alsamixer. using built-in audio of asus p5b deluxe with optical digital out |
| 16:54.49 | Amarande | simonrvn, aren't the only 'paying clients' when it comes to flash the devs that design flash stuff? |
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| 16:54.58 | Amarande | after all, the plugin is free on every OS anyway |
| 16:54.58 | simonrvn | Amarande: yes you would. AFAICT, blender does the same stuff maya or 3dsmax does |
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| 16:55.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: remember pixie the renderer (renderman clone). i've got the package |
| 16:55.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: get DD and sponsor me! |
| 16:55.24 | simonrvn | Amarande: no they're paid, not paying ;) |
| 16:55.44 | abrotman | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html |
| 16:55.48 | abrotman | http://bisqwit.iki.fi/source/fbmodes.html |
| 16:55.50 | runev | does the debian etch net install cd come with chroot and mount? tried with this system rescue cd, but ofc, no chroot - and i need it to fix my mbr ;o |
| 16:55.54 | abrotman | pengwen: maybe .. |
| 16:56.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: why aren't you a DD yet? |
| 16:56.05 | Amarande | odd, then you'd think they'd prefer to develop for clients they don't have to pay for the privilege of being able to develop for. :) |
| 16:56.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: here's why: |
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| 16:56.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/debian/nm.txt |
| 16:56.49 | ftp3 | I am working on installing a kernel patch... in the instructions, it says to do "make menuconfig -> general: append version info " inside "general" there is "Local version - append to kernel release" .. how does "version info" fit into this? |
| 16:56.49 | tarzeau | heh_v_water: re |
| 16:56.50 | simonrvn | Amarande: what? ENOPARSE |
| 16:56.51 | limbeaux | i am a newbie so this may be a simple question. 1 of the NICs in my debian install just stops working every so often. if i swap it out, will deian recognize the nic and install the drivers automatically? |
| 16:57.32 | simonrvn | runev: yes |
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| 16:57.48 | eisen | limbeaux: chances are good it will load the proper driver automatically |
| 16:57.53 | limbeaux | i am probably going to put a 3com 905 into it. |
| 16:57.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: and so what ? |
| 16:58.09 | abrotman | ftp3: try ##kernel |
| 16:58.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: did you read it? |
| 16:58.20 | limbeaux | thanks!! eisen |
| 16:58.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: yeah .. how does that let oyu not be a DD ? |
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| 16:58.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm not dd because some people didn't like some of my answers? |
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| 16:58.38 | ftp3 | abrotman: will do, thanks.. but this is specific to the debian kernel, which is different than a vanilla linux kernel.. :-) thanks |
| 16:58.43 | Amarande | simonrvn, you just said Adobe pays the clients. :) |
| 16:58.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: the cabal you know |
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| 16:58.50 | abrotman | ftp3: ? |
| 16:58.51 | Amarande | which suggests they pay Microsoft to be able to develop Flash for Windows. |
| 16:58.59 | simonrvn | Amarande: no i was talking about the devs |
| 16:59.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe it wsa your 'swallow dick' bug ? |
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| 16:59.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: nah |
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| 16:59.16 | abrotman | ftp3: my bad .. i thought you were makign a patch .. i misread |
| 16:59.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: that bugreport just was retarded |
| 16:59.29 | abrotman | you did it! |
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| 16:59.56 | ftp3 | abrotman: do you know the answer to my ? |
| 16:59.59 | abrotman | ftp3: when you create the kernel .. it would append the version info to the kernel information |
| 17:00.17 | abrotman | !tell dmlb2000 about pinning |
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| 17:00.40 | DanC | nvidia_post_etch |
| 17:00.43 | DanC | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 17:00.43 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:00.43 | dmlb2000 | abrotman: thanks that was it |
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| 17:02.04 | bahadunn | there is a "swallow dick" bug report? |
| 17:02.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:02.46 | Corephix | I cant save the sources.list, says i need some rights. got to log in as root? |
| 17:03.05 | simonrvn | of course.... it's root owned... |
| 17:03.08 | abrotman | Corephix: yes |
| 17:03.38 | bahadunn | abrotman: where? |
| 17:03.43 | Corephix | ok, can i do that without logging out? |
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| 17:03.50 | setuid | Where do I find /etc/X11/X? |
| 17:03.54 | setuid | xorg requires it on Debian |
| 17:03.55 | abrotman | bahadunn: google |
| 17:03.58 | simonrvn | Corephix: su - |
| 17:04.00 | setuid | apt-file search has no record of it |
| 17:04.10 | simonrvn | it's a symlink |
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| 17:04.19 | setuid | simonrvn, Why isn't it created by the package that requires it? |
| 17:04.21 | setuid | i.e. startx |
| 17:04.25 | setuid | And where does it point? |
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| 17:04.33 | simonrvn | it is. your borked |
| 17:04.36 | simonrvn | yours* |
| 17:04.38 | setuid | Nope, package is borked |
| 17:04.41 | abrotman | xorg-xserver ? |
| 17:04.42 | Amarande | setuid, it's probably created by the xorg server package, I suppose |
| 17:04.47 | bahadunn | abrotman: lost interest |
| 17:04.50 | setuid | Just did an apt-get install evolution from a clean, non-gui, minimal Debian build |
| 17:04.50 | Amarande | have you tried running drxx and seeing if that fixes it? |
| 17:04.57 | abrotman | bahadunn: no kidding :) |
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| 17:05.24 | simonrvn | running startx on a x-serverless box.... right |
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| 17:05.24 | bahadunn | abrotman: as serios as i can be |
| 17:05.26 | setuid | Weird, xserver-xorg isn't a dependency on gtk, glib, evolution, etc. |
| 17:05.29 | bahadunn | serious |
| 17:05.30 | setuid | I wonder why |
| 17:05.41 | simonrvn | because it's not a requirement |
| 17:05.49 | abrotman | evolution could be run remotely |
| 17:06.01 | setuid | Sure, I get that. |
| 17:06.06 | bahadunn | or not at all |
| 17:06.10 | simonrvn | any x app can be run remotely... |
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| 17:06.15 | pengwen | and here i am, still having this nice black border around my irssi :) |
| 17:06.16 | jelly | setuid: what's wierd, then |
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| 17:06.40 | simonrvn | pengwen: and there's a problem with that? |
| 17:07.01 | pengwen | simonrvn: trying to figure out how to get my terminal to use 1024x768 |
| 17:07.08 | pengwen | im running x-less |
| 17:07.10 | simonrvn | fbset |
| 17:07.32 | simonrvn | setting the vga= in your bootloader conf |
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| 17:08.39 | pengwen | simonrvn: i need a reboot to get this working?! |
| 17:08.53 | Maerz | any idea how to get rid of this? |
| 17:08.53 | Maerz | http://paste.debian.net/29689 |
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| 17:09.15 | simonrvn | or you could try svgatextmode |
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| 17:09.36 | simonrvn | can't run the latter with FB though |
| 17:09.56 | jelly | svgatextmode hasn't been updated for a while |
| 17:10.02 | pengwen | eh, u need to be a bit more detailed, i need this explained in very small steps... |
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| 17:10.17 | simonrvn | what do i look like a HOWTO? |
| 17:10.23 | simonrvn | :P |
| 17:10.49 | pengwen | hehe, most howtos are more confusing then helpfull from lynx |
| 17:11.22 | jelly | pengwen: read kernel source docs, Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
| 17:11.51 | simonrvn | fbset is practically self-explanatory... i usually do 800x600-60 or -70 for one of the machines here |
| 17:12.11 | simonrvn | the other stuff, well see what jelly said ;) |
| 17:12.17 | jelly | fbset is nice _when_ it works... and it doesn't work for vesafb. |
| 17:13.06 | pengwen | ill play around a bit, thanks for now :) |
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| 17:13.46 | setuid | How do I reconfigure my machine so xfce4 starts up by default? |
| 17:13.50 | bonez39 | what's the name of the process or the documentation created ..and published..on an application..of bugs founds, things changed, etc...? |
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| 17:14.28 | simonrvn_ | running atyfb on the box, it's a beige g3 |
| 17:14.41 | simonrvn_ | (just in case i got disconnected) |
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| 17:23.18 | bonez39 | is it the Changelog? |
| 17:24.09 | abrotman | changelog is changes between versions .. bugs.debian.org is the bugs .. try apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges |
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| 17:27.47 | Kaepora | hello, i was wondering what sort of encryption debian 4.0's /etc/shadow uses? |
| 17:27.57 | Kaepora | it's definitely not the salted md5 i'm used to. |
| 17:28.34 | tarzeau | Kaepora: default crypt, if it's not md5? |
| 17:28.52 | Kaepora | tarzeau: default crypt? |
| 17:28.53 | tarzeau | Kaepora: people using nis usually don't use the md5 stuff |
| 17:29.03 | tarzeau | Kaepora: what it was for many years before md5 |
| 17:29.30 | Kaepora | tarzeau: why does debian still use it? is it more powerful than md5? |
| 17:29.38 | Kaepora | how can i change it to md5? |
| 17:29.55 | tarzeau | Kaepora: eh if you have a heterogenous network you'll not want the md5 |
| 17:30.02 | tarzeau | Kaepora: yes you can change it to md5 |
| 17:30.09 | xand | it's not mre powerful at all |
| 17:30.12 | xand | *more |
| 17:30.24 | Kaepora | tarzeau: i wonder why debian uses it as default |
| 17:30.25 | xand | it only checks the first 8 characters of a password |
| 17:30.32 | Kaepora | xand: rofl, really?? |
| 17:30.32 | xand | Kaepora: it's not the default, you're asked |
| 17:30.45 | Kaepora | that's a bit pathetic |
| 17:30.53 | tarzeau | xand: which is not more powerful? to whom were you talking? |
| 17:30.54 | xand | yes really, it's what other OSes like solaris use |
| 17:31.02 | abrotman | Kaepora: it asked you which you wanted to use |
| 17:31.09 | xand | Kaepora: the one that isn't md5 |
| 17:31.10 | Kaepora | heh, i have rainbow tables that can crack that in seconds |
| 17:31.22 | Kaepora | in any case, how do i change it to salted md5? |
| 17:31.26 | tarzeau | xand: who said one is more powerful than the other? no one i think |
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| 17:31.38 | xand | tarzeau: it's obvious. |
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| 17:32.10 | xand | Kaepora: I think it's dpkg-reconfigure passwd |
| 17:32.12 | abrotman | md5 isn't salted |
| 17:32.21 | abrotman | it's salted .. or it's md5 |
| 17:32.40 | abrotman | bah .. |
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| 17:33.10 | Kaepora | xand: that only asks me if i want to set shadow passwords or not |
| 17:33.17 | xand | yes |
| 17:33.20 | Kaepora | it doesn't ask me the type of encryption i want to use |
| 17:33.21 | xand | erm |
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| 17:34.11 | tarzeau | xand: not really obvious to me. since who else besides root ever gets the hands on the shadow file? |
| 17:34.31 | tarzeau | xand: and even if, bruteforcing md5 or crypt, it's both not very fast for many accounts |
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| 17:34.40 | Kaepora | tarzeau: just in case someone else does get his hand on it, i still want it to be more secure. |
| 17:34.44 | xand | tarzeau: root shouldn't have access to plaintext passwords |
| 17:34.53 | tarzeau | Kaepora: so you say md5 is more secure than salted crypt? |
| 17:34.58 | xand | tarzeau: because passwords can be used on multiple systems |
| 17:35.04 | tarzeau | xand: that's right. is crypt plaintext? no it's not |
| 17:35.13 | xand | sigh |
| 17:35.15 | tarzeau | xand: that's not the fault of anyone but the user |
| 17:35.31 | xand | in that case, shadow may as well be in plaintext |
| 17:35.39 | tarzeau | xand: huh? |
| 17:35.46 | tarzeau | xand: instead of crypt ? |
| 17:35.47 | Rienzilla | hmm |
| 17:35.53 | tarzeau | xand: are you nuts, somehow? |
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| 17:36.02 | tarzeau | Kaepora: look md5 isn't more secure than salted crypt |
| 17:36.12 | Trewas | according to changelog.Debian of passwd package md5 has been enabled by default, without asking, since 2003 |
| 17:36.13 | tarzeau | Kaepora: if you still believe so, show me some study, papers or prove it |
| 17:36.14 | Kaepora | can i please change this to salted as soon as possible? i'm able to login with the first 8 characters of my much-longer root password!! |
| 17:36.22 | Rienzilla | is it normal that a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch chokes on vim? |
| 17:36.23 | xand | you're saying that only root should have access to /etc/shadow, and users shouldn't reuse passwords... therefore passwords in that file may as well be in plaintext |
| 17:36.38 | xand | tarzeau: ^ |
| 17:36.40 | tarzeau | Rienzilla: yes |
| 17:36.48 | Kaepora | will you please stop arguing and HELP? |
| 17:36.58 | xand | don't be rude |
| 17:37.00 | Kaepora | i just want to change it from nis to something more secure, please! |
| 17:37.00 | tarzeau | xand: no plaintext passwords are bad |
| 17:37.04 | tarzeau | xand: crypted ones not |
| 17:37.17 | rahul | tarzeau: uh. md5 is FAR, FAR molre secure than salted crypt |
| 17:37.30 | rahul | tarzeau: by a factor of roughly a million times, I believe |
| 17:37.31 | Rienzilla | tarzeau: any fix? |
| 17:37.33 | tarzeau | rahul: that's a statement |
| 17:37.38 | dandex | ata8.00: configured for UDMA/100 |
| 17:37.39 | dandex | scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA WDC WD3200AAKS-0 12.0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 |
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| 17:37.40 | tarzeau | Rienzilla: yes just fix it |
| 17:37.45 | Kaepora | please!!! |
| 17:37.48 | tarzeau | Rienzilla: do i know what error msg you get exactly? |
| 17:37.51 | xand | Kaepora: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html section 3.5 |
| 17:37.59 | dandex | how can I access that drive? |
| 17:38.02 | Gigantic | rahul: md5 is not as secure |
| 17:38.02 | Rienzilla | no, I'd be happy to tell you :) |
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| 17:38.12 | tarzeau | rahul: prove that first. both can be bruteforce attacked |
| 17:38.22 | rahul | tarzeau: the factor can be reduced to a few 100 thousand times if you have access to more than, I think... 16 GB of RAM |
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| 17:38.23 | tarzeau | rahul: having enough machinepower (distributed) it's a joke, for both |
| 17:38.27 | Rienzilla | E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package vim due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 17:38.31 | Rienzilla | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove vim |
| 17:38.36 | tarzeau | rahul: likewise with md5 |
| 17:38.45 | cydork | Kaepora: shadow file password is like this -> $1$<salt>$<encoded> |
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| 17:39.02 | rahul | tarzeau: you can't distribute to attack the md5 weakness |
| 17:39.11 | rahul | you need fast access to many GB of RAM. |
| 17:39.15 | cydork | Kaepora: $1$ indicates md5 |
| 17:39.17 | xand | Kaepora: edit /etc/pam.d/common-password and put md5 on the end of the only uncommented line |
| 17:39.19 | tarzeau | rahul: i have access |
| 17:39.25 | rahul | tarzeau: from a single CPU |
| 17:39.29 | Gigantic | bruteforce is not the way to determine the strenght of the algorithm |
| 17:39.33 | xand | Kaepora: then change your password |
| 17:39.34 | tarzeau | rahul: yes, 8 GB enough on a 8way cpu? |
| 17:39.38 | rahul | tarzeau: no |
| 17:39.42 | Gigantic | any system can be brute forced |
| 17:39.51 | rahul | tarzeau: that's too little to start with, and the 8-way will slow down access |
| 17:39.54 | Rienzilla | Gigantic: it certainly is the way :) |
| 17:40.10 | Rienzilla | the question is how many computations do you require |
| 17:40.10 | tarzeau | rahul: sure you can start brute forcing from a, b, c.... |
| 17:40.16 | tarzeau | rahul: really it can all be distributed |
| 17:40.18 | rahul | tarzeau: that's not the weakness |
| 17:40.23 | xand | Kaepora: e.g. password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5 |
| 17:40.31 | Gigantic | why don't use blowfish? is more secure that md5 and des |
| 17:40.38 | tarzeau | Gigantic: more secure is a joke |
| 17:40.49 | Gigantic | tarzeau: It's a fact |
| 17:40.50 | rahul | tarzeau: it has to do with keeping data associated with 2^24 (or was it 26?) parts of the hash space |
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| 17:41.28 | rahul | maybe it's 2^24 pieces of data and 2^26 operations |
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| 17:42.28 | Gigantic | Twofish would be even better but is not implemented yet... |
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| 17:42.35 | Gigantic | who knows why... |
| 17:42.36 | tarzeau | Gigantic: you can implement it... |
| 17:42.37 | StucKman | where is apache2-ssl-certificate in etch? |
| 17:42.40 | abrotman | then how can you be sure it'd be better ? |
| 17:42.40 | Maerz | tell me some good ftp clients with SFTP support |
| 17:42.44 | tarzeau | Gigantic: because nobody but you believes so |
| 17:42.45 | abrotman | StucKman: gone .. make-ssl-cert |
| 17:42.48 | Maerz | if possible a GUI |
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| 17:42.57 | _Rubyxx | when is Debian going to update Gaim to Pidgin? |
| 17:42.57 | StucKman | abrotman: k |
| 17:43.00 | Gigantic | tarzeau: :) |
| 17:43.01 | rahul | tarzeau: you are a tool. seriously. |
| 17:43.03 | Gigantic | tarzeau: nope |
| 17:43.21 | Gigantic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowfish_(cipher) |
| 17:43.22 | rahul | _Rubyxx: when you ask it to |
| 17:43.44 | tarzeau | Gigantic: it's all matter of time and computing power, nothing else |
| 17:44.07 | StucKman | abrotman: what template should I feed to make a ssl cert for apache2? |
| 17:44.12 | Rienzilla | anyone on the upgrade issue? |
| 17:44.18 | _Rubyxx | Couldn't find package Pidgin |
| 17:44.22 | rahul | tarzeau: so then we shouldn't use crypto at all |
| 17:44.32 | tarzeau | rahul: no that's not what i'm saying |
| 17:44.36 | Amarande | _Rubyxx, not till lenny |
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| 17:44.45 | tarzeau | rahul: i just say it really doesn't matter if you use md5 or crypt for /etc/shadow |
| 17:44.50 | rahul | tarzeau: but it does. |
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| 17:45.04 | tarzeau | rahul: because if the system is so unsecure that anyone/users can get their hands on shadow, it can't be that important |
| 17:45.08 | tarzeau | rahul: really it does not |
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| 17:45.40 | th0ger | Why is my /var/log/boot empty?? (Nothing has been logged yet.) |
| 17:45.41 | Gigantic | tarzeau: certainly not |
| 17:45.47 | SoulChild | Hey,... anyone using opera? I think i fell in love with it :D |
| 17:45.51 | Gigantic | tarzeau: unless you mean bruteforce |
| 17:45.52 | tarzeau | ok, let's end it here. i'll go play some www.sauerbraten.org |
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| 17:45.59 | abrotman | StucKman: there are numerous on your system |
| 17:46.07 | Gigantic | tarzeau: but there are another vast ways |
| 17:46.17 | tarzeau | Gigantic: sure, keyloggers |
| 17:46.18 | abrotman | th0ger: your computer isn't on .. duh :) |
| 17:46.25 | abrotman | !boot.log |
| 17:46.27 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 17:46.27 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 17:46.57 | StucKman | abrotman: where? |
| 17:47.05 | th0ger | thanks abrotman |
| 17:47.26 | Gigantic | tarzeau: nope, http://www.xilinx.com/bvdocs/appnotes/xapp270.pdf |
| 17:47.39 | dan2 | asg: yo |
| 17:47.44 | StucKman | !tell me about make-ssl-cert |
| 17:47.56 | gpm | StucKman: /msg dpkg make-ssl-cert |
| 17:47.59 | dan2 | abrotman: afternoon |
| 17:48.30 | Rienzilla | oh never mind |
| 17:48.36 | tarzeau | Gigantic: what's des/3des to do with one way hashes like md5 or crypt ? |
| 17:48.41 | Rienzilla | some idiot made a custom package with the essential: yes directive |
| 17:48.44 | Gigantic | tarzeau: falws are inherent to the way the alghorithm is made |
| 17:48.51 | StucKman | gpm: he said nothing |
| 17:48.52 | tarzeau | Gigantic: of crypt? |
| 17:48.55 | SoulChild | Which IRC Programm are you using ? |
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| 17:49.06 | tarzeau | !poll |
| 17:49.06 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 17:49.10 | StucKman | also, is the factoid about self-signed ssl cert ok? |
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| 17:49.43 | Gigantic | tarzeau: The point is that: it's not all matter of time and computing powe |
| 17:49.53 | rahul | tarzeau: uh, crypt is des. |
| 17:49.54 | tarzeau | Gigantic: true, stuff can have flaws |
| 17:50.04 | SoulChild | tarzeau: was that poll info for me ? |
| 17:50.08 | tarzeau | rahul: oops ;) |
| 17:50.13 | rahul | !penixstrike tarzeau |
| 17:50.13 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking tarzeau to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:50.32 | tarzeau | SoulChild: yes |
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| 17:51.07 | abrotman | dan2: hi |
| 17:51.11 | abrotman | StucKman: in /usr/share/ and in /etc/ |
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| 17:51.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you seen http://www.bean-osx.com/Bean.html ? |
| 17:52.10 | StucKman | abrotman: it's not helping |
| 17:52.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: i mean it can shows HTML, if we can get it to run on GNUstep you add a NSURLField and BANG you get a browser! |
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| 17:53.19 | abrotman | StucKman: what isn't? |
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| 17:53.27 | abrotman | StucKman: are you going to make me go find them ? :) |
| 17:53.47 | Azar | tarzeau, seen the new gaming dell xps? |
| 17:54.13 | tarzeau | Azar: nah.. it comes with games pre-installed and ubuntu? |
| 17:54.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: wtf good is bean ? |
| 17:54.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: checked the url? |
| 17:54.30 | abrotman | StucKman: in the openssl package there is one template |
| 17:54.31 | Azar | tarzeau: haha I dunno is too fresh, specs just "leaked" |
| 17:54.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes .. it even tells you it's a rich text editor .. so what |
| 17:55.09 | StucKman | abrotman: see, I want to create a self-signed certificate. the old scripts in sarge have dfissapeared. the apache2.2-common doesn't even have a /etc/apache2/ssl dir. and now I'm supposed to guess which template I should use and where to have it... |
| 17:55.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's a microsoft office and openoffice kill^Wreplacement |
| 17:55.57 | tarzeau | rahul: hehe |
| 17:56.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh fucking bullshit .. go learn how to read .. they even tell you it's a crap editor like wordpad |
| 17:56.48 | Azar | hehe well, it looks hot |
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| 17:56.54 | abrotman | StucKman: there is more than one template you can use .. the one in /etc/openssl/openssl.cnf seems to be a bit more aligned with something you'd use with a webserver |
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| 17:57.36 | SoulChild | I am bored as usual,...any ideas what i could do ? |
| 17:57.45 | abrotman | fix bugs .. or tarzeau |
| 17:57.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm fixing bugs. i'm tarzeu :) |
| 17:58.04 | abrotman | yeah .. that was a fix tarzeau .. not a 'do tarzeau' |
| 17:58.52 | Azar | abrotman: tarzeau will go in history of debian with a memorable "pull a tarzeau" technique |
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| 17:59.13 | abrotman | darwin award? :) |
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| 17:59.36 | Azar | nah "pull a tarzeau" = be bold and experiment the unthinkable |
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| 17:59.45 | abrotman | uhm .. sure |
| 18:00.05 | SoulChild | Is opera free ??? |
| 18:00.16 | christor | please I do a chmod 700 on /var/* by error and now a lot of thing are not working someone has an idea to do a rollback? |
| 18:00.46 | abrotman | SoulChild: it is free .. not Free |
| 18:00.50 | petemc | SoulChild: you can download it at no cost, its not properly "free" tho, and you only need one question mark |
| 18:01.05 | abrotman | petemc: why only one question mark?!? |
| 18:01.12 | Azar | hehe |
| 18:01.15 | petemc | :) |
| 18:01.20 | ralph_spencer | kernel 2.6.22 for debian unstable, when? |
| 18:01.54 | Azar | heck I haven't even see the 2.6.21 yet |
| 18:02.04 | Amarande | christor: /var/local should be 2775, /var/mail should be 2775, all other directories should be 0755, and any regular files ... well, I have no regular files in just /var so I don't know |
| 18:02.05 | abrotman | ralph_spencer: when it gets there |
| 18:02.12 | Amarande | please don't say you did -R on that chmod, by the way |
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| 18:03.13 | christor | Amarande: yes :D |
| 18:03.28 | Azar | hmm 2.6.8 was ok, 2.6.16.. better .. 2.6.18..better yet...2.6.20..uber...2.6.22? |
| 18:03.32 | Amarande | you did a recursive chmod. :| |
| 18:03.35 | Amarande | oy. |
| 18:03.40 | christor | my server is not starting due to access.log not available etc.. |
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| 18:04.06 | Vme | hello |
| 18:04.07 | Vme | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.09 | Amarande | I don't even have an access.log, unless that's not in /var/log |
| 18:04.18 | Amarande | christor, I think what you've done is called hosing your system |
| 18:04.23 | Azar | christor: can't you cmod it back to where it was? |
| 18:04.36 | ix | Vme: might be DNS. |
| 18:04.45 | Amarande | if you can't remember what things were, you'll have to restore from backup, or backup anything you need to backup and reinstall Debian |
| 18:04.45 | abrotman | christor: so create a /var/log/access.log .. make it 640 owned root:root .. see if that works |
| 18:04.46 | christor | Amarande: thx to rassure me :P |
| 18:05.03 | Vme | i have DNS entries in my /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:05.04 | christor | I m too too too stupid |
| 18:05.09 | Vme | i know they are correct |
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| 18:05.21 | abrotman | christor: is your apostrophe key broken? :) |
| 18:05.37 | ix | Vme: if you SSH from a specific machine, try giving it an entry in /ectc/hosts on the server |
| 18:05.41 | christor | pening access-log failed: Permission denied /var/log/lighttpd/access.log |
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| 18:05.56 | Vme | ix: I've done that |
| 18:06.02 | christor | abrotman: mmh no :( |
| 18:06.04 | Vme | so it doesn't have to rely on DNS |
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| 18:06.25 | ix | Vme: then I'm all out ;) |
| 18:07.06 | abrotman | that's different than /var/log/access.log |
| 18:07.15 | christor | Amarande: this is the acces of the lighttpd ( server web) /var/log/lighttpd/access.log |
| 18:07.19 | abrotman | you're going to have to create all those dirs at least .. possibly even those files |
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| 18:08.00 | apol | I am trying to download the installer and I always receive a timeout |
| 18:08.04 | apol | is there anything wrong? |
| 18:08.54 | christor | whatever I m out of date now :'( |
| 18:08.55 | SoulChild | I have a card reader on my notebook,... SD-Cards work, but MMC don't work,... how can i find out if kernel 2.6.21 supports it... lspci says: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 17) |
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| 18:11.02 | xand | SoulChild: if you run dmesg after plugging a card in, do you get a mention of the card? |
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| 18:11.23 | SoulChild | xand no |
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| 18:12.01 | StucKman | ok, let's restate my question: how do I generate a self signed certificate for apache 2.2 under etch? |
| 18:12.26 | cr3 | what environment variables must I set to change the language for commands like grep? |
| 18:12.27 | christor | what is the chmod for drwxrwxrwt ? |
| 18:12.46 | rahul | 1777 |
| 18:12.46 | StucKman | cr3: LANG, I guess |
| 18:13.03 | christor | rahul: thx |
| 18:13.17 | apol | could anybody tell me how can I do to download netinst? |
| 18:13.42 | rahul | apol: you could read the install guide. but that might be too easy for you. |
| 18:14.01 | xand | SoulChild: could be a hardware problem |
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| 18:14.20 | StucKman | I followed the self-signed ssl cert factoid and I get strange logs from apache (and it doesn't load) |
| 18:14.22 | apol | rahul: the http server seems to be down, doesn't answer BTW |
| 18:14.33 | cr3 | StucKman: env shows LANG=fr_FR.iso88591, but grep --help is still showing an english message |
| 18:14.38 | apol | rahul: it is not necessary to be rude.. |
| 18:14.50 | StucKman | cr3: LC_ALL? |
| 18:15.11 | gpm | is netstat the only way to know if uw-imapd is listening for connections? |
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| 18:15.41 | gpm | there isn't an actual daemon that runs? i don't have to add anything to rc.conf? |
| 18:15.43 | StucKman | gpm: it's a good way; another one would be a port scanner like nmap |
| 18:15.53 | gpm | er |
| 18:15.58 | unimatrix | gpm: telnet to the imap-port |
| 18:16.08 | gpm | k |
| 18:16.10 | gpm | thanks |
| 18:16.10 | StucKman | unimatrix: that's a faster one :) |
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| 18:16.19 | cr3 | StucKman: same thing: LC_ALL=fr_FR.iso88591 |
| 18:16.23 | rahul | apol: it's not down, here |
| 18:16.35 | apol | -.- |
| 18:16.36 | StucKman | cr3: then maybe you lack/there are no translations |
| 18:16.37 | hunterp | whats a good net monitor gui that i can i have hanging out somewhere in gnome |
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| 18:17.25 | Azar | hehe we gonna see linux on Dell when the pigs will fly |
| 18:17.48 | hunterp | Azar: ? they already are shipping with ubuntu |
| 18:17.57 | Azar | Dell customer service: "I do not know sir. See, sir, Linux comes from all over the place and as such cannot be supported." |
| 18:18.10 | Azar | no hardware support on linux |
| 18:18.16 | Azar | :) |
| 18:18.39 | unimatrix | then ask fpr *BSD |
| 18:18.42 | unimatrix | hnrr hrr hrrrrrrr |
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| 18:18.43 | Azar | if a brick hits your laptop and is a linux distro in, no warranties |
| 18:19.22 | Amarande | Azar: BY ACCEPTING THIS BRICK THROUGH YOUR LAPTOP, YOU HEREBY WAIVE ANY RIGHTS TO CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ... |
| 18:19.43 | webustany | hi. I just installed etch and stripped it as much as I could, but the root fs is still 300megs even after cleaning /var/cache/apt/archive... Is there a way to get a smaller debian ? |
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| 18:20.10 | Amarande | heh, I still remember when someone was going to wrap a ridiculous licence agreement around a brick and throw it through a Sony exec's window |
| 18:20.15 | Amarande | back when they had the XCP-Aurora crap |
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| 18:20.24 | Amarande | speaking of which, another good thing about Linux, it won't install that. :) |
| 18:20.32 | Azar | webustany: yes, if you install only the debian base without X |
| 18:20.51 | webustany | Azar: I haven't got X |
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| 18:21.02 | Azar | webustany: wow then etch is bigger than sarge |
| 18:21.16 | goban | whyso@whyso-desktop:~/_spe$ speYou need to install at least wxPython v2.5.4.1 to run SPE. python-wxgtk2.8 is already the newest version. help??? |
| 18:21.57 | webustany | Azar: well, I browsed through the packages with aptitude and I don't see what I could remove without breaking everything |
| 18:22.00 | Amarande | Azar, I'm not surprised |
| 18:22.03 | valdyn | webustany: why dont you use a distro that specialises in being small? |
| 18:22.06 | Amarande | linux distros have steadily grown over the years |
| 18:22.13 | Amarande | not as ridiculously as Windows, but still growing |
| 18:22.18 | sepski | webustany, yes, help out the embdebian project with their goals http://www.emdebian.org/ |
| 18:22.24 | webustany | valdyn: well, I like debian |
| 18:22.34 | Amarande | honestly, I'm still not sure just how Microsoft manages to waste so much disk space to do the same things Linux does |
| 18:22.44 | valdyn | webustany: its not made for this. |
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| 18:22.48 | webustany | sepski: I looked at embeddian, the only easy solution is sling, but it does not include the kernel |
| 18:22.55 | Amarande | executables that are a couple hundred K on Linux are regularly several megs on Windows |
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| 18:23.12 | goban | how do i fix a corrupt apt? (e.g. says wxpython doesnt exist, but it does) |
| 18:23.17 | valdyn | webustany: sophisticated package management is jsut pointless if all you want is a small system |
| 18:23.34 | cwillu | does debian include mars_nwe anywhere? I don't see it, but I read a newsgroup posting saying it might be in debian/experimental or something? |
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| 18:23.53 | Azar | goban: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 18:23.55 | webustany | valdyn: well, there's small and small. I don't want to make the system fit on a 1.4mb floppy either. <100 megs would be fine |
| 18:24.02 | valdyn | Amarande: the magic of c++ and not having sane shared library dependencies? |
| 18:24.03 | webustany | maybe I could recompile some debs ? |
| 18:24.05 | goban | Azar, ty |
| 18:25.17 | valdyn | !dsl |
| 18:25.17 | dpkg | dsl is probably Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
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| 18:26.37 | Amarande | er, what's this file for? |
| 18:26.37 | Amarande | klibc-rOj3PRLKBA9FcF5ZuoqKQLmOWcA.so |
| 18:26.37 | valdyn | webustany: try damn small linux |
| 18:26.37 | Azar | goban: if you have an error about a package, un-install it with same apt-get that you used to install it, then install it back using aptitude |
| 18:27.05 | webustany | valdyn: that what I'm using now. I'm just trying to figure out what's the difference between etch and dsl... I'd like to have a 2.6 kernel. Recompiling some debs to make them smaller (less options at compile time) is not a problem to me |
| 18:27.10 | Amarande | yeah, that's one thing also I never quite got about Windows |
| 18:27.20 | Amarande | why they depend so much on C++ compared to Linux that usually uses vanilla C |
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| 18:27.47 | valdyn | webustany: look at a random linux-image package, its huge compared to your total system size |
| 18:28.00 | valdyn | webustany: since it contains all the drivers |
| 18:28.04 | webustany | valdyn: I plan recompiling a custom kernel |
| 18:28.06 | Azar | webustany: debian evolves and grows along with the hardware trends. If you prefer to use an old or too small HD then move to another distro ment for the size of your hardware |
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| 18:28.23 | goban | Azar, i removed all wxpython stuff and installed with aptitude and works now!!! thanks SO MUCH |
| 18:28.32 | webustany | kernel modules are 46Mb |
| 18:28.35 | Azar | goban: nice |
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| 18:29.24 | trpr | Azar: lik emdebian |
| 18:29.25 | goban | (used the totally remove thing in synaptic this time, made the difference i think) |
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| 18:30.57 | valdyn | webustany: look into /usr/share/doc and look at the package 'localepurge' |
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| 18:31.21 | valdyn | webustany: /usr/share/doc just for the size of documentation.. can be deleted |
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| 18:31.56 | webustany | that's 11m... I gonna look at localepurge, that's a good idea. thanks. |
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| 18:33.12 | Techdeck | has anyone ever tried recovering data from a formatted partition? is it a myth? or is it possible? I'm afraid I've lost very important data (which I didn't know should be backed up), I have backups of everything except that (DOH) :\, please, if anyone can help I'd greatly appreciate it |
| 18:33.23 | Techdeck | the formatted disk was ext2 now it's ext3 |
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| 18:33.28 | Legality | hi |
| 18:33.39 | Legality | hey, how to ban a specific ip from a debian server? |
| 18:33.50 | petemc | Techdeck: ontrack has worked well for me in the past, it costs money tho |
| 18:34.04 | Legality | I'm getting attacked at this very moment |
| 18:34.08 | abrotman | Legality: iptables |
| 18:34.11 | webustany | Legality: look at /etc/hosts.allow |
| 18:34.11 | petemc | Legality: there are a number of ways, ip route add prohibit ip , is one of them |
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| 18:34.16 | webustany | or hosts.deny |
| 18:34.24 | petemc | if the app uses tcpwrappers.... |
| 18:34.27 | abrotman | Legality: attacked how ? |
| 18:34.27 | Legality | oh yeah.. hosts.deny |
| 18:34.46 | xand | firewall it |
| 18:34.50 | Techdeck | petemc, do you know any free tools? does this program has an evaluation of some sort? |
| 18:35.10 | petemc | i do not |
| 18:35.21 | petemc | and i dont know if it have evals, you could check yourself |
| 18:35.33 | Legality | no |
| 18:35.40 | Techdeck | petemc, ok I will, thanks |
| 18:35.46 | Techdeck | does anyone else know anything? |
| 18:35.51 | xand | iptables -A INPUT -s $NAUGHTY_IP_ADDRESS -j DROP |
| 18:36.05 | xand | Legality: that will drop all connections from them |
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| 18:36.21 | Techdeck | # apt-cache search e2undel |
| 18:36.21 | Techdeck | e2undel - Undelete utility for the ext2 file system |
| 18:36.24 | Techdeck | looks promising |
| 18:36.29 | Techdeck | pray for me! :p |
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| 18:36.41 | tarzeau | Techdeck: wait if you install it now, on the same filesystem you want to undelete? |
| 18:36.44 | tarzeau | Techdeck: that's not a good idea |
| 18:36.44 | xand | Techdeck: formatting isn't the same as deleting |
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| 18:36.54 | Techdeck | tarzeau, true but I have no other way |
| 18:37.01 | Legality | after adding the ip to the hosts.deny, are there any reloads or restarts to be made? |
| 18:37.02 | tarzeau | oh mkfs on ext2/3 another mkfs is like, FORGET YOUR DATA FOREVER |
| 18:37.03 | Techdeck | xand, do you have any ideas? |
| 18:37.14 | tarzeau | Techdeck: well then the data can't be that important |
| 18:37.31 | Techdeck | it is, just the idiot who actually 'saved' the data, forgot to add it to backups |
| 18:37.36 | Techdeck | (being an idiot) |
| 18:37.48 | Techdeck | thats what happens when you entrust important data with a person like that |
| 18:37.49 | cwillu | how do you look up what package provides a file? |
| 18:37.55 | Techdeck | dpkg -S |
| 18:38.06 | abrotman | Legality: how are you being attacked? ping? ssh? http? what ? |
| 18:38.07 | denken | is there a "preferred" way to permanently map scsi devices to device nodes under /dev? i'd like to make sure a tape autochanger is always mapped to /dev/sg0 for example but im finding ways to do it with devfs, udev, and even the scsidev utility... |
| 18:38.09 | cwillu | thx |
| 18:38.10 | petemc | for installed packages, apt-fiel for non installed |
| 18:38.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: udp |
| 18:38.18 | Techdeck | please, anyone who has any ideas |
| 18:38.22 | Techdeck | I'm dying here |
| 18:38.31 | Legality | abrotman: He is coming in using a script |
| 18:38.35 | tarzeau | Techdeck: get another hd, make a dump first |
| 18:38.36 | abrotman | no kidding .. |
| 18:38.38 | xand | Legality: coming in how? |
| 18:38.39 | petemc | Techdeck: i wouldnt condone it, but you can warez ontrack.. |
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| 18:38.41 | NewbiZ | hello |
| 18:38.42 | Techdeck | tarzeau, working on it right now |
| 18:38.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: he didn't say that |
| 18:38.47 | epsilon | do I have to add use users with 'adduser', or can I just edit /etc/passwd,group,shadow? |
| 18:38.51 | Techdeck | petemc, think it would work in such case? |
| 18:38.55 | xand | Legality: what are the symptoms? anyway that iptables line I provided should stop them |
| 18:38.56 | Techdeck | formatted disk? |
| 18:38.56 | tarzeau | Techdeck: what data is that? |
| 18:38.58 | epsilon | s/use/new |
| 18:39.00 | abrotman | Legality: how do you know you're being attacked ? |
| 18:39.03 | petemc | it has worked for me in the past |
| 18:39.05 | Techdeck | tarzeau, some important BI information of a company |
| 18:39.15 | Legality | one sec |
| 18:39.17 | tarzeau | Techdeck: BI? |
| 18:39.18 | xand | epsilon: you could edit them, but why do you want to? |
| 18:39.20 | Techdeck | petemc, after a format? |
| 18:39.23 | NewbiZ | does anyone know where to get the repository that contains "xcompmgr" ? i'm trying to have fluxbox transparency running properly on debian etch |
| 18:39.27 | Techdeck | tarzeau, Business Intelligence |
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| 18:39.30 | petemc | Techdeck: yes |
| 18:39.31 | Legality | symptoms: apache error.log says sh: line 1: sysctl: command not found |
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| 18:39.48 | Legality | earlier today he tried to install a proxy software to our server, downloaded from geocities |
| 18:39.49 | Techdeck | petemc, does it require booting a disk or can it run on the filesystem itself? |
| 18:40.02 | abrotman | that's not an attack |
| 18:40.06 | rocketmagnet | hello, what is the normal procedure to remove a program from startup script ? |
| 18:40.11 | valdyn | NewbiZ: xcompmgr is in the package named xcompmgr |
| 18:40.12 | Legality | also this is at the error.log: [Tue Jun 05 20:09:22 2007] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not exist: /var/www/r57shell |
| 18:40.20 | petemc | Techdeck: there are various ways, i usually use the windows front end with the problem disk in a caddy |
| 18:40.29 | abrotman | Legality: if that log is correct .. he's already on your system |
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| 18:40.33 | Techdeck | petemc, it supports linux too? |
| 18:40.34 | sepski | rocketmagnet, apt-get remove --purge program |
| 18:40.37 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: remove or move away the script |
| 18:40.42 | NewbiZ | valdyn, but apt-get says "E: Couldn't find package xcompmgr" |
| 18:40.51 | Legality | abrotman: yup |
| 18:40.52 | valdyn | NewbiZ: so its not in etch |
| 18:40.59 | cwillu | hmm; is there an easy way to find out what package provides a file if you haven't installed that package yet? |
| 18:41.04 | valdyn | !info xcompmgr etch |
| 18:41.06 | valdyn | !info xcompmgr sid |
| 18:41.11 | Techdeck | cwillu, packages.debian.org |
| 18:41.12 | petemc | Techdeck: all these questions are answerable by looking at their site, but yes, it supprts linux file systems |
| 18:41.18 | sepski | rocketmagnet, or you can also man update-rc.d but why have it installed if your not going to use it... |
| 18:41.18 | NewbiZ | valdyn, that's why i asked wether someone knows a repository to find it |
| 18:41.22 | Techdeck | ok petemc, thanks a lot |
| 18:41.36 | cwillu | Techdeck, that's no fun :) |
| 18:41.38 | cwillu | thx |
| 18:41.49 | rocketmagnet | sepski: i want to use it sometimes (ssh) but not allways on startup |
| 18:41.51 | runev | Quick question, as the guides i found via dpkg wasn't much help. I've put a few new fonts in /usr/share/fonts/Artwiz, then i did fc-cache -fv ./ and added the directory to both /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /etc/fonts/fonts.conf - still not working - what have i forgotten? |
| 18:41.54 | Legality | he is trying to bruteattack our mail |
| 18:42.00 | valdyn | NewbiZ: debian/ experimental |
| 18:42.26 | xand | Legality: oh deary me. |
| 18:42.37 | g00se | Probs with Etch installer. SATA HD no problem but problems with SATA dvd-rom AMD64. What to do? |
| 18:42.44 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: can i just rename it to ssh.noinuse or something ? so if i want it back i can just rename it ? |
| 18:42.53 | NewbiZ | valdyn, oh... does this means it's not a "safe" package ? i mean, i don't want to install something unstable :/ |
| 18:42.55 | Amarande | g00se, I didn't even know there were SATA DVD-ROMs yet |
| 18:42.56 | xand | Legality: if they have root access, you need to rebuild, then read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 18:42.56 | tarzeau | g00se: install from network |
| 18:42.57 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: yep |
| 18:43.01 | Amarande | at least, I never saw any on newegg |
| 18:43.02 | tarzeau | Amarande: there are! |
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| 18:43.13 | tarzeau | Amarande: and you need a pretty new linux kernel for it to work |
| 18:43.14 | Legality | xand: they don't have it |
| 18:43.18 | Legality | they aren't fully in |
| 18:43.20 | g00se | tarzeau: can do maybe |
| 18:43.26 | xand | Legality: how are they "in" then? |
| 18:43.40 | xand | how are they accessing the machine? |
| 18:43.46 | unimatrix | cwillu: ugrep thru e.g. ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Contents-i386.gz |
| 18:43.46 | sepski | Legality, it's not uncommon to get the r57shell on your machine if you allow apache to write to some directory. |
| 18:43.50 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: sorry for that many questions but do you also know how to add a comstum program to the startup script (etc/init.d/rc?) ? |
| 18:44.02 | cwillu | unimatrix, ooo, that's way more fun, thanks! :) |
| 18:44.09 | Legality | They are trying to install softwares but our server is rather customized |
| 18:44.14 | Legality | he is trying with the defaults |
| 18:44.20 | Legality | lemme put some pastebin |
| 18:44.23 | xand | Legality: you still didn't answer |
| 18:44.45 | sepski | Legality, if you see strange processes owned by www-data after you have /etc/init.d/apache[2] stop then they are using your box for something. |
| 18:44.46 | g00se | tarzeau: So netboot then? |
| 18:44.49 | tarzeau | g00se: yes |
| 18:44.50 | Legality | xand: I'm not sure |
| 18:44.56 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 18:44.59 | Legality | sepski: I know |
| 18:45.07 | xand | Legality: let's see your paste then |
| 18:45.08 | g00se | tarzeau: thanks |
| 18:46.45 | tarzeau | g00se: netboot installs are the best, i don't do anything else since many years |
| 18:46.45 | Amarande | hmm |
| 18:46.45 | tarzeau | g00se: for sparc, alpha, mips, hppa, powerpc, i386/amd64 |
| 18:46.45 | Amarande | what's the command to find out what package a particular file belongs to? |
| 18:46.45 | tarzeau | Amarande: dpkg -S |
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| 18:46.45 | xand | Amarande: dpkg -S /file |
| 18:46.45 | g00se | I'm just used to netinst as opposed to netboot |
| 18:46.46 | sepski | Legality, ofcourse removing the shell wont work (for long) unless you also plug the hole they used to upload it with. |
| 18:46.46 | tarzeau | g00se: with netboot you don't need the cd/dvd anymore :) |
| 18:46.46 | Legality | http://pastebin.ca/542132 |
| 18:46.46 | Amarande | ahh, that's what that odd klibc file is, then |
| 18:46.47 | Legality | sepski: we are moving to a different server at the same time |
| 18:47.23 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: ups ;) |
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| 18:47.23 | g00se | tarzeau: Yep. I wonder if USB stick will be less problematic though, as it's a WIndoze LAN? |
| 18:47.23 | cwillu | hey neat, I've got an ipx address |
| 18:47.23 | sepski | Legality, if you move the insecure php scripts with you it wont matter much :) |
| 18:47.24 | tarzeau | g00se: netboot servers don't cause problems in windoze lans |
| 18:47.43 | tarzeau | g00se: we also have heterogenic network with windows, solaris, linux and mac os x... no problem |
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| 18:47.45 | Legality | hmm.. so we need to find that fucking script |
| 18:48.38 | xand | Legality: btw, apache ignores hosts.deny/allow |
| 18:48.38 | g00se | tarzeau: ok, but the server will have to be a Windows box. That OK? |
| 18:48.38 | tarzeau | Legality: scripts can be hidden at nice places on linux. /var/tmp, cron, inittab, /etc/init.d ... |
| 18:48.39 | xand | Legality: you either need to use httpd.conf, an .htaccess file, or iptables |
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| 18:48.39 | droNe_SEXY | http://adbux.org/?r=drone666 |
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| 18:48.41 | Legality | throw me an example of banning with iptables |
| 18:48.45 | tarzeau | g00se: should be fine yes, you need a tftpd and dhcpd |
| 18:48.48 | xand | Legality: i did already |
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| 18:48.50 | Legality | it doesn't help too long to ban the ip |
| 18:48.54 | sepski | tarzeau, if he allow apache to write to /etc/init.d he deserves to get owned :) |
| 18:48.59 | Legality | wasn't that only for dropping? xand? |
| 18:49.00 | xand | Legality: iptables -A INPUT -s $NAUGHTY_IP_ADDRESS -j DROP |
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| 18:49.02 | tarzeau | sepski: full ack |
| 18:49.08 | xand | Legality: what's wrong with drop? |
| 18:49.10 | tarzeau | sepski: i'd put autoexec.bat in there |
| 18:49.13 | g00se | tarzeau: tftpd running on the image server? |
| 18:49.19 | Legality | xand: does it drop AND ban the ip? |
| 18:49.19 | abrotman | xand: he's being attacked from his own machine |
| 18:49.22 | tarzeau | g00se: on whatever sends the kernel |
| 18:49.34 | xand | Legality: what do you mean by "BAN"? |
| 18:49.37 | xand | erm, ban |
| 18:49.45 | tarzeau | bang |
| 18:49.53 | Legality | well meaning that they can't access with that ip to our server |
| 18:49.54 | g00se | Yes - i see. Maybe the stick will be easier ;-) |
| 18:50.00 | xand | Legality: that's what drop mean |
| 18:50.01 | xand | s |
| 18:50.10 | xand | it drops the connections from that ip address |
| 18:50.17 | cwillu | Legality, the drop is how you implement a ban |
| 18:50.17 | Legality | for ever? |
| 18:50.29 | abrotman | until you reboot |
| 18:50.32 | Legality | alrighty |
| 18:50.34 | xand | until you reboot or remove it |
| 18:50.35 | sepski | xand, Legality ofcourse they are just going to bounce of a different ip the next time... |
| 18:50.51 | abrotman | but if he got your machine .. i'm sure he can get another and get in again |
| 18:50.52 | Legality | I know |
| 18:50.55 | Legality | I just need fucking time |
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| 18:51.06 | xand | Legality: I would suggest stopping apache for now? |
| 18:51.10 | sepski | Legality, stop apache :) |
| 18:51.21 | Legality | they aren't attacking atm trough apache |
| 18:51.39 | xand | if you have physical access, unplug the network cable |
| 18:51.53 | Legality | it's in production use |
| 18:51.55 | abrotman | shoot it! |
| 18:52.03 | abrotman | put it out of its misery! |
| 18:52.04 | cwillu | lol |
| 18:52.15 | sepski | Legality, it's not producing for you anymore! :) |
| 18:52.22 | sepski | not only atleast |
| 18:52.26 | Azar | it might be a scriptkiddie, a pro won't leave so much stuff on a log |
| 18:52.41 | Legality | it's obvious that he ain't too pro at this |
| 18:52.47 | abrotman | neither are you! |
| 18:52.53 | Legality | I would be long fucked if he was a pro |
| 18:52.58 | sepski | Legality, so he can run processes as other users then www-data ? |
| 18:52.59 | Legality | abrotman: that's very true too |
| 18:52.59 | Azar | so Legality assume is just that one IP to be dropped with iptables |
| 18:52.59 | xand | even if it's in production use, i'd take it down |
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| 18:53.07 | Legality | sepski: I have not noticed that |
| 18:53.11 | sepski | if not then stop apache and kill everything that belongs to www-data |
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| 18:53.31 | valdyn | Legality: why are you messing with a network server when you understand nothing about the ip protocol? |
| 18:53.32 | sepski | do a find and locate all writeable directories (by www-data) |
| 18:53.49 | sepski | and make sure you dont allow script execution in uploadable directories |
| 18:53.55 | abrotman | man find |
| 18:53.55 | Legality | valdyn: our server admin is away for 3-5 days still |
| 18:54.05 | valdyn | duh |
| 18:54.41 | sepski | then find and grep for "shell" in all files (especialy . files) in the writeable dirs |
| 18:54.55 | tarzeau | and read harden-doc |
| 18:55.17 | Legality | I think I will just get megadrunk |
| 18:55.40 | sepski | then replace that r57shell with a script that logs ip and alerts abuse@isp-of-ip :) |
| 18:55.43 | Legality | fuck, why couldn't it be just that simple that I could just check that fuckers home address and pay him a visit |
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| 18:55.57 | Azar | Legality: http://www.debian-administration.org/tag/iptables |
| 18:56.02 | tarzeau | Legality: and eat lemon cake with him? |
| 18:56.03 | valdyn | Legality: you log suggests that this is a bot or a script anyway, not a real person |
| 18:57.28 | rocketmagnet | short hardware question: i have 2 512 400 mhz DDR ram and one free slot on the mainboard. now i found a 128mb stick ddr266(2.5) - is it a good idea to plug in this 128mb ram ? |
| 18:57.42 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: no |
| 18:57.59 | sepski | rocketmagnet, what valdyn said |
| 18:58.00 | rocketmagnet | because i used it with one of the 512 a few days |
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| 18:58.03 | Legality | hmm |
| 18:58.11 | rocketmagnet | and it worked |
| 18:58.19 | Legality | I think I have a way to look where he is coming in |
| 18:58.20 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: its going to hurt, not help performance |
| 18:58.20 | Amarande | rocketmagnet, it should *run* |
| 18:58.22 | Amarande | *but* |
| 18:58.27 | Amarande | it will make all your DDR400 run at 266 |
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| 18:58.31 | Amarande | under normal circumstances |
| 18:58.31 | rocketmagnet | ah ok |
| 18:58.32 | Legality | We've got invidual access.logs for the cliets |
| 18:58.34 | SoulChild | I am boreeeeed! :( |
| 18:58.36 | sepski | rocketmagnet, if the motherboard can support both 266 and 400 mhz modules , it will run at the lowest speed with 2 mounted |
| 18:58.43 | Legality | I could do a search from those logs regarding the ips |
| 18:58.51 | Legality | or scripts |
| 18:58.57 | rocketmagnet | good to know! |
| 18:58.58 | rocketmagnet | thx |
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| 18:59.12 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: and even if all banks ran at their own speed it would slow down apps coincidentally residing physically on that slow module |
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| 18:59.22 | Azar | Legality: you could find him on geocities too :) |
| 18:59.27 | Azar | the account holder |
| 18:59.47 | Legality | might be |
| 19:00.02 | Legality | I will fucking rape his family if I get his name trought some way |
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| 19:00.26 | Legality | well perhaps that was a bit too big burst of aggression |
| 19:00.42 | cwillu | perhaps |
| 19:00.44 | Azar | Legality: better swear you will become a pro on server administration |
| 19:00.47 | rocketmagnet | so i'll give it to a friend |
| 19:01.10 | Azar | this "attack" is a good motivator to propell you to a higher level |
| 19:01.15 | x_link | valdyn: Hi, the thing with the sound (alsaconf) didn't work =/ |
| 19:01.22 | Legality | anyways, how can I check if the ip is located in the log files? |
| 19:01.27 | runev | If i package signature can't be authenticated, is that really bad - or shouldn't i care much? I added a repository for wine that i found on winehq.com, but apt-get update tell me that no public key for it is available. |
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| 19:01.29 | xand | "grep"? |
| 19:01.37 | Legality | Azar: you mean to level 1 |
| 19:01.45 | Azar | aim higher |
| 19:01.49 | valdyn | x_link: im sure it worked, but maybe it didnt do what you want |
| 19:01.50 | dondelelcaro | runev: it's not the signatures on the package, it's the fact that the repository cannot be validated |
| 19:01.58 | valdyn | x_link: so what exactly does not work? |
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| 19:02.16 | dondelelcaro | runev: unsigned repositories can't really be trusted, so you can either ignore the warning, or find the key and add it using apt-key after verifying the key's validity |
| 19:02.49 | Legality | trough find command? but what's the expression tag for looking text in the log files |
| 19:03.30 | stew | sweet, one host got compromised will i was on vacation |
| 19:03.46 | xand | Legality: -exec grep something {} \; |
| 19:03.52 | tarzeau | runev: why not use the wine from debian? |
| 19:04.01 | Azar | stew, you will not be bored then :) |
| 19:04.12 | x_link | valdyn: I have to run "alsaconf" everytime I reboot. When I go to bed at night and want to use the computer the next day, even then I have to run alsaconf sometimes. Even though I haven't rebooted. |
| 19:04.18 | Legality | xand? |
| 19:04.25 | tarzeau | stew: do you know how? |
| 19:04.28 | runev | tarzeau: because it's slow on adding the newest versions of wine when using stable :> |
| 19:04.38 | tarzeau | runev: !simple sid backport ? |
| 19:04.43 | x_link | valdyn: I tried something now, I will see how it is next time I reboot. |
| 19:04.49 | valdyn | x_link: yea, i know, but i need to know WHAT exactly does not work even after you added the driver module to /etc/modules manually |
| 19:04.50 | Azar | x_link: might be that another sound module auto boots and blocks the alsa module instead? |
| 19:04.50 | stew | tarzeau: not exactly, though everything is owned by www-data, so it was probably apache or php4 |
| 19:04.54 | tarzeau | runev: backports are better than foreign repos |
| 19:04.59 | xand | Legality: find /var/log/apache -name access.log -exec grep searchForThis {} \; |
| 19:05.03 | pngwn | /c/c |
| 19:05.05 | xand | for example |
| 19:05.19 | runev | tarzeau: it's not all that foreign though, it's a repository supported by the wine developers - so i guess it's good ;> |
| 19:05.20 | x_link | valdyn: I think I added snd-emu10k1 in the wrong "part" in /etc/modules. I changed the place now. |
| 19:05.26 | x_link | So I have to see next time I reboot. |
| 19:05.30 | tarzeau | runev: i disagree |
| 19:05.32 | valdyn | x_link: there's no wrong place |
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| 19:05.37 | x_link | Azar: I honestly don't know. |
| 19:05.39 | x_link | valdyn: Okej. |
| 19:05.40 | tarzeau | runev: some developers have funny ideas about debian |
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| 19:05.59 | Azar | x_link: show valdyn a paste of your /etc/modules content... |
| 19:05.59 | tarzeau | runev: they make great software - they don't make great debian packages |
| 19:06.12 | runev | tarzeau: does dpkg in this room have anything to learn me on backports then? |
| 19:06.19 | tarzeau | !simple sid backport |
| 19:06.20 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 19:06.27 | tarzeau | runev: yes, if you want it more automatic, i've got a tool |
| 19:06.35 | x_link | Azar: I was on my way actually =) |
| 19:06.40 | x_link | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24286/ |
| 19:06.43 | tarzeau | runev: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/abp/abp |
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| 19:06.45 | x_link | That's my /etc/modules. |
| 19:06.54 | runev | tarzeau: thanks, i'll check that out first! |
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| 19:07.49 | Legality | xand: that line doesn't search even? |
| 19:07.58 | xand | Legality: what? |
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| 19:08.09 | Legality | oh.. shit |
| 19:08.14 | x_link | Azar: alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1 |
| 19:08.15 | x_link | options snd-emu10k1 index=0 |
| 19:08.25 | x_link | I have that in /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 19:08.49 | Azar | x_link: how did you installed alsa? |
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| 19:09.06 | nhuisman_work | greets |
| 19:09.17 | x_link | Azar: I never installed it, I got it when I installed Debian. |
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| 19:10.15 | Legality | xand: there are many access.logs |
| 19:10.20 | Legality | with unique names |
| 19:10.21 | Azar | hmmm not sure, maybe is not ok but try alsa one-liner: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 19:10.30 | Legality | is there a way to check the whole folder full of logs? |
| 19:10.32 | Legality | * |
| 19:10.32 | xand | Legality: change the find command then |
| 19:10.44 | xand | find /some-directory -exec... |
| 19:10.46 | x_link | Azar: Okej. |
| 19:10.52 | xand | remove the "-name access.log" bit |
| 19:11.41 | Legality | ok, now I think |
| 19:12.26 | x_link | Azar: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24289/ Why does it say like that? That those programs are being helped back? |
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| 19:12.49 | piztek | does anyone know how to get to the shutdown prompt with a shortcut? |
| 19:13.04 | Legality | xand: does this look right: find /var/log/apache2/users/ -exec grep ip {} \; |
| 19:13.37 | x_link | Azar: It's really strange, seems like programs are being helped back when I want to install alsa-utils and alsa-base |
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| 19:14.14 | xand | Legality: yes, if you replace "ip" with the ip address |
| 19:14.27 | Legality | oh yeah,,, that |
| 19:14.34 | Legality | joke :p |
| 19:14.41 | Legality | bad |
| 19:14.42 | Azar | x_link: I am not sure what comes with the debian installer, that why I thought if you try installing alsa-utils might help |
| 19:14.59 | binary | hey all |
| 19:15.13 | Azar | x_link: define "programs are being helped back" |
| 19:15.43 | xand | "held" |
| 19:15.51 | Azar | ah |
| 19:16.15 | Legality | tracert says their ip comes from telecom albania |
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| 19:16.36 | Azar | x_link: see what is booting at bootup with dmesg check for multimedia, sound modules |
| 19:16.58 | x_link | ok |
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| 19:17.22 | x_link | Azar: I showed you a link. |
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| 19:17.56 | Azar | x_link: that shows what is "set up" to be booted, you say after every bootup alsa modules are not loaded, something (else) might be instead |
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| 19:18.51 | Azar | x_link: so: if at bootup alsa module is not loaded _even_ if is set in /etc/modules.... what else blocks it to be loaded at boot up? find "else" |
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| 19:19.11 | ustunozgur | join #vlc |
| 19:19.24 | Azar | no, I dont want |
| 19:19.35 | x_link | Azar: Okej, how can I find out what else is loaded instead of snd-emu10k1? |
| 19:19.37 | x_link | ustunozgur: Me? |
| 19:19.45 | Azar | x_link: no not you |
| 19:19.48 | x_link | ustunozgur: I'm not talking about VLC. |
| 19:19.56 | x_link | Ohh okej. |
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| 19:19.58 | Azar | x_link: leave him alone.. :) |
| 19:19.58 | x_link | Sorry. |
| 19:20.02 | x_link | Azar: =) |
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| 19:20.04 | CharminTheMoose | question: is it safe for me to mount my /home late in the boot process? IE after i've entered runlevel 3? |
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| 19:20.39 | abrotman | instead of ? |
| 19:20.47 | Azar | x_link: ok the dmesg command will show you what was loaded at last bootup. You will scroll many lines searching for anything related to multimedia and/or sound ok? |
| 19:20.56 | furrywolf | as long as you mount it before you go to log in, all will be fine. |
| 19:22.10 | x_link | Azar: Okej, I will do exactly what you said. |
| 19:22.15 | x_link | Just dmesg? |
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| 19:22.49 | piti | I everyone, I've just installed debian (etch/testing) and I have some trouble to adjust the display settings (which would be 1440x900 on an acer al1916w with a ati x300 se graphic card. |
| 19:23.07 | CharminTehM00se_ | i'm thinking more in the way of services that start up... |
| 19:23.24 | CharminTehM00se_ | any random config files that'd be in /home/user |
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| 19:25.11 | x_link | Azar: Wow, really hard to find anything there. |
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| 19:25.43 | AlexD | hi all |
| 19:26.31 | Legality | well that fucker seems to have stopped for a while |
| 19:26.46 | Legality | he must be having somekinda fucker orgasms for my misery |
| 19:26.55 | binary | :-P |
| 19:26.59 | Legality | albanian shit |
| 19:27.07 | binary | ? |
| 19:27.26 | x_link | Azar: To be honest I don't find anything there. |
| 19:27.36 | AlexD | i am relatively new to linux and just got started with debian |
| 19:28.03 | rahul | CharminTehM00se_: nothing that comes in debian should depend on "real user" dirs for system tasks |
| 19:28.13 | rahul | i.e. uid > 1000 |
| 19:28.16 | Legality | oh man.. I will pay 10 000 USD for getting this guys address |
| 19:28.22 | x_link | Azar: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24294/ That's my dmesg |
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| 19:29.28 | x_link | Azar: I will reboot now and see if it works. |
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| 19:31.58 | AlexD | can any of you guys tell me why debian by default doesn't enable autocomplete feature when using programs,especially when using apt-get/apptitude as i don't memorize the package list.In ubuntu this feature is on by deafault .Can any of you tell me how to enable this |
| 19:32.19 | dondelelcaro | AlexD: it's in /etc/bash.bashrc; just uncomment the line that sources bash.completion |
| 19:32.55 | dondelelcaro | AlexD: and the reason why it's not enabled by default is primarily historical |
| 19:33.14 | AlexD | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 19:33.57 | xand | I can never make it work by just uncommenting that line... seem to need to specifically call it from my own .bashrc |
| 19:34.47 | nhuisman_work | laugh ff is using 600m of memory |
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| 19:35.15 | nhuisman_work | man xxms has some serious memory leak |
| 19:35.21 | nhuisman_work | i had it running for about a month |
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| 19:35.26 | nhuisman_work | and it was up to 1.1g |
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| 19:36.02 | vikingr | is it me or is kdesvn really broken in testing/lenny? see http://paste.debian.net/29704 |
| 19:36.08 | abrotman | !bts |
| 19:36.08 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 19:36.23 | abrotman | vikingr: if you want a stable system .. use stable |
| 19:36.26 | d747 | who * |
| 19:36.29 | x_link | Azar: I just rebooted, the sound didn't work. |
| 19:36.30 | Azar | x_link: how is it? |
| 19:36.39 | x_link | Even if I added snd-emu10k1 in /etc/modules. |
| 19:36.40 | Azar | x_link: did you unmute the channels ? |
| 19:36.43 | x_link | I have to run alsaconf again |
| 19:36.50 | x_link | Azar: In alsamixer? |
| 19:36.53 | Azar | yes |
| 19:36.54 | AlexD | bye all,have a good day! |
| 19:37.04 | Azar | ah alsa did not load... |
| 19:37.06 | valdyn | x_link: have you given some details about what's not working yet? |
| 19:37.48 | x_link | valdyn: Looking in dmesg now, but I don't see/understand anything of it |
| 19:37.55 | valdyn | x_link: you dont need to |
| 19:37.56 | Azar | x_link: since I have installed alsa on my own ( it did not came with my debian installation), what I see on your /etc/modules do not seem enough to load it at boot |
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| 19:38.14 | valdyn | x_link: you need to run a program and tell us which program does not do what and prints which error messag |
| 19:38.30 | x_link | valdyn: Which program should I run? |
| 19:38.33 | Azar | x_link: my bad dmesg was for finding your exact sound card name in order to identify your alsa module |
| 19:38.40 | x_link | Azar: Maybe I should re-install alsaconf? |
| 19:38.47 | valdyn | x_link: no - you run your program that 'does not work' |
| 19:38.50 | Azar | no |
| 19:38.55 | valdyn | x_link: i cant guess what that is, you know |
| 19:38.56 | x_link | Okej |
| 19:39.06 | x_link | valdyn: ok |
| 19:39.30 | Azar | valdyn: his bootup should show him if his alsa module is or is not loaded at bootup |
| 19:39.44 | Azar | and I don't seem to remember where that info is stored at |
| 19:39.44 | valdyn | Azar: yea, but its loading if its in /etc/modules |
| 19:40.03 | Azar | valdyn: he has to run alsaconf after every boot.. |
| 19:40.09 | valdyn | Azar: alsa programs dont care if they actually will work or not, they'll load and not even give useful error messages |
| 19:40.10 | Azar | the module dont seem loaded |
| 19:40.12 | x_link | Sorry if I'm bothering to much. |
| 19:40.24 | valdyn | Azar: it loads, its in /etc/modules, the error is something else too |
| 19:40.53 | valdyn | Azar: like a not-loaded snd-pcm-oss modules, but i cant know that with a useless error like 'does not work' |
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| 19:41.27 | Azar | yes, I do not see a snd-pcm on his /etc/modules |
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| 19:41.34 | Troubledone | i am confused by the lnux-patch-debian2.6.18 that comes up in synaptic - it says not to install it on pristine kernals - I have 2.6.18-4-k7 kernal from the debian cd currently installed - should i upgrade |
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| 19:41.49 | valdyn | Troubledone: nope |
| 19:42.17 | Azar | valdyn: should he perform an alsa one-liner, maybe will fix his issue? |
| 19:42.32 | valdyn | Azar: he should finally tell us what the error message is |
| 19:42.48 | Troubledone | can i somehow tell synaptic to ignore that package |
| 19:42.51 | jintxo | hello there, I'm moving a few pages from an apache 1.3 server to apache2 and some of the pages contain "diacritical" characters, which on the newer server I see as blocks and not the characters that should be showing. I have set my DefaultCharset to utf-8 and the pages themselves are iso8859-1, any pointers? |
| 19:42.53 | Azar | valdyn: his complaint: after every bootup he has to run alsaconf |
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| 19:43.03 | valdyn | Azar: that's his fix, not the error |
| 19:43.22 | Azar | yes, the error is is that after bootup his alsa does not work, no sound |
| 19:43.34 | valdyn | no |
| 19:43.39 | valdyn | his error is 'no sound' |
| 19:43.44 | valdyn | we dont know anything about his alsa status |
| 19:43.58 | Azar | ..yes and after running alsaconf he gets sound |
| 19:44.16 | valdyn | x_link: so? where's the error message? |
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| 19:44.35 | x_link | valdyn: Sorry man, I honeastly really don't know where to look for error messages? |
| 19:44.39 | valdyn | Azar: that's a little bit better than ' i reboot my windows to get it to work again ', its not really useful |
| 19:44.47 | Azar | wait a second.... x_link which version of debian you just installed? |
| 19:44.50 | valdyn | x_link: which program is not playing sound for you? |
| 19:44.57 | teeeee | im having a problem, i just installed debian 4.0 but when i try to instal ssh or openssh-server it asks me for a cd.. but i want it to download from web what do i do |
| 19:44.58 | x_link | xmms |
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| 19:45.10 | valdyn | x_link: have you switched xmms to explicitely use alsa yet? |
| 19:45.12 | x_link | Well, I don't get any sound if I try to watch a movie in VLS either. |
| 19:45.14 | Azar | hmmmm did you tell xmms to use alsa? |
| 19:45.26 | binary | teeeee: go to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:45.33 | binary | and commen the line that says cdrom |
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| 19:45.38 | valdyn | x_link: same for vlc, have you explicitely switched vlc to use alsa yet? |
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| 19:45.46 | binary | * the line that begins with cdrom |
| 19:45.46 | x_link | Azar: Well, I never touched that before, always been working like it is now. |
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| 19:45.51 | binary | then apt-get update |
| 19:45.53 | binary | then try |
| 19:46.01 | x_link | I don't get any sound anywhere if I don't run alsaconf. |
| 19:46.08 | valdyn | geez |
| 19:46.34 | teeeee | binary what does that line look like |
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| 19:46.55 | Azar | x_link: xmms right click on it >> options >> preferences >> look at the "output plugin" and make sure is ALSA |
| 19:46.59 | teeeee | binary: how do i break this process now? without shutin down ? rebooting? i gota hardshutdown |
| 19:47.06 | teeeee | binary: ctrl+d? |
| 19:47.06 | binary | teeeee : dare you viewing the file now? |
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| 19:47.20 | asarch | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.21 | teeeee | binary: almost i need to exit out of this proces.. its asking me to put cd in |
| 19:47.22 | binary | no erm hit CTL+C |
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| 19:47.35 | teeeee | ahh yes sir thank you ok i go to sources.list |
| 19:47.41 | valdyn | x_link: your alsa could be fine, your alsa's oss emulation might not be fine. We have a damn hard time to tell the difference without you giving us some crucial information |
| 19:48.04 | teeeee | binary: thank you sir |
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| 19:48.20 | x_link | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24298/ |
| 19:48.25 | binary | ok have u sorted it ? |
| 19:48.27 | x_link | That's my alsa-base configuration file. |
| 19:48.34 | Azar | x_link: every "sound" application you install _has_ _to_ be configured to run ALSA. Some app come with OSS-enabled by default |
| 19:48.38 | x_link | I found it in /etc/default |
| 19:48.50 | binary | sound folk I'm guessing uve tried turhing the volume up in alsamixer |
| 19:48.55 | valdyn | x_link: i never asked for that one |
| 19:48.57 | binary | then using the command alsactl store |
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| 19:49.01 | binary | to keep those settings forever |
| 19:49.01 | x_link | Azar: I didn't have to configure that before. |
| 19:49.01 | teeeee | binary: yes sir, one more thing, how could i add myself to sudo list? |
| 19:49.14 | binary | ur using sudo? |
| 19:49.15 | binary | .. |
| 19:49.24 | teeeee | i like sudo |
| 19:49.27 | binary | ok |
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| 19:49.33 | binary | and your not already added to it? |
| 19:49.35 | Azar | x_link: third party applications come with OSS-default instead of Alsa. You just have to check and correct that |
| 19:49.39 | teeeee | no sir, not yet |
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| 19:49.55 | binary | ok |
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| 19:50.04 | binary | let me check a sec been ages since I used sudo! |
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| 19:50.15 | teeeee | binary; what do u use?? |
| 19:50.16 | x_link | Azar: How/where do I do that? |
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| 19:50.22 | teeeee | binary: u may have something better to offer me |
| 19:50.45 | binary | I don't use sudo, I prefer to have a root user login |
| 19:50.48 | Azar | x_link: if you (by chance) are showing us some ubuntu-setups I am gonna skin you alive |
| 19:50.57 | Azar | cuz I dont know nothing about ubuntu stuff |
| 19:50.59 | binary | but if you're machine is already setup with sudo you should probably just use that |
| 19:51.01 | binary | (for ease) |
| 19:51.11 | x_link | Azar: I'm not using Ubuntu, I'm using Debian Testing. |
| 19:51.22 | valdyn | ./plonk |
| 19:51.39 | binary | teeeee : having one super user is a traditional way of controlling privaliges |
| 19:51.41 | binary | :_) |
| 19:51.44 | binary | *:-) |
| 19:51.56 | Azar | ah |
| 19:52.04 | vince36 | hi to all, i 've set up a router-firewall on a small disk and wd like to transfer it on another disk, anyone know a good way to copy all files, config, etc..., i want to avoid reinstall all... |
| 19:52.15 | Azar | testing... then you might be having to test apps on a testing Debian.. |
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| 19:52.18 | teeeee | binary: i heard |
| 19:52.19 | binary | vince36 : rsync is good |
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| 19:52.27 | teeeee | binary: that using root like that (su) is dangerous.. |
| 19:52.27 | Lynoure | traditional is not always the best... there aro points for both |
| 19:52.32 | Azar | you are a guinea p.... |
| 19:52.34 | valdyn | vince36: cp -a or rsync -a |
| 19:52.43 | abrotman | and then fix your bootloader |
| 19:52.48 | binary | vince36 : I use it to do a backup of our server every wednesday morning |
| 19:52.48 | Lynoure | teeeee: both are dangerous, differently |
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| 19:53.04 | Azar | x_link: sorry, I so far only used stable Debian and it works charms |
| 19:53.07 | vince36 | binary, a bacup of your entire server ? |
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| 19:53.15 | binary | vince36 rsync copies files with exact permissions left in tact |
| 19:53.23 | Lynoure | teeeee: but see man sudoers for how to add yourself to sudoers |
| 19:53.29 | binary | vince36 rsync and you can preserver the file system exactly |
| 19:53.31 | x_link | Azar: Maybe this has something to do with "Testing" ? |
| 19:53.39 | binary | therefore it si better for copying the entire system root |
| 19:53.50 | caravel | hi all |
| 19:53.57 | binary | teeeee : I like root because its what I've always used |
| 19:53.58 | zoidy | how can I make GNOME not start automatically? |
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| 19:54.06 | Azar | x_link: yes and if you are not-so expert in testing software, you should go to stable, works really good |
| 19:54.14 | valdyn | zoidy: it doesnt |
| 19:54.17 | xand | zoidy: you mean X? or what? |
| 19:54.21 | binary | plus I feel a little more secure because I believe unauthorised access is easier to detect |
| 19:54.27 | x_link | Azar: I know, the thing is that I want to be able to use newer stuff. |
| 19:54.28 | binary | but thats just my opinion |
| 19:54.29 | jungla | hi... |
| 19:54.30 | teeeee | binary: ok |
| 19:54.30 | zoidy | xand: yeah, gnome itself |
| 19:54.37 | x_link | Azar: You're using Etch now? |
| 19:54.38 | zoidy | valdyn: how would I stop it then? |
| 19:54.41 | teeeee | binary: so stay in root ? all the time =) |
| 19:54.42 | vince36 | binary, ok , i rsync it to another machine, another disk, and then i plug the disk on the router machine and it'll work ? |
| 19:54.48 | Azar | x_link: newer stuff has bugs, and only expert users can handle bugs.. not you, not me |
| 19:54.48 | valdyn | zoidy: it DOESNT start automatically |
| 19:54.48 | rahul | zoidy: man xsession |
| 19:54.57 | x_link | Azar: OKej. |
| 19:54.58 | jungla | can I ask about xfce? |
| 19:55.00 | teeeee | just for knowing purposes hwo do i add myself to sudo list |
| 19:55.00 | rahul | but it doesn't start "automatically" |
| 19:55.03 | Azar | x_link: yes, Sarge and Etch on two separate boxes |
| 19:55.06 | rahul | you have to log in first... |
| 19:55.09 | zoidy | valdyn: it did for me, but I'll look into xsession thanks rahul |
| 19:55.13 | x_link | Azar: Okej |
| 19:55.14 | xand | zoidy: when does that happen? |
| 19:55.18 | valdyn | zoidy: maybe it starts after you log into xdm / gdm / kdm |
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| 19:55.26 | zoidy | xand: on boot |
| 19:55.27 | Lynoure | teeeee: I just told you |
| 19:55.40 | binary | teeeee : I can't remember of the top of my head and I don't use sudo so I can't check, but I'm sure sum1 else can help you :-) |
| 19:55.41 | Lynoure | teeeee: or rather, I just told you how to find out |
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| 19:55.58 | binary | vince36 no u don't have to |
| 19:56.01 | vince36 | binary, rsync needs an ssh server if i remember , right ? |
| 19:56.02 | valdyn | zoidy: maybe you're confusing gdm with gnome or x with gnome |
| 19:56.07 | binary | vince36 no |
| 19:56.11 | binary | it does not |
| 19:56.18 | binary | it is just a copying program |
| 19:56.24 | Azar | x_link: "newer, latest" things are first set in the Debian unstable, worked at bugs.. passed to Testing so expert users can find other bugs.. get fixed then passed on the next Debian Stable so everyone can enjoy |
| 19:56.26 | teeeee | it says no manual entry for sudoers |
| 19:56.34 | vince36 | binary, mmmm i was pretty sure of that....(o: |
| 19:56.37 | zoidy | valdyn: could me, I'll look into it, thanks |
| 19:56.38 | Lynoure | teeeee: then start with installing sudo |
| 19:56.55 | binary | nope |
| 19:56.59 | teeeee | good idea haha |
| 19:57.00 | vince36 | binary, thx |
| 19:57.03 | binary | its just a program for copying |
| 19:57.06 | binary | nothing more |
| 19:57.13 | binary | it just has soem advanced features |
| 19:57.21 | binary | you can copy between machines over networks and stuff |
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| 19:57.30 | binary | but I do not use it for that so I would not know much about that |
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| 19:57.49 | binary | I use rsync to keep an exact copy of my servers filing system on a second disc |
| 19:58.00 | binary | so if disaster struck I could just boot the second disc straight away |
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| 19:58.32 | vince36 | but....what about grub |
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| 19:58.36 | x_link | Azar: Yeah I know. |
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| 19:58.38 | Lynoure | teeeee: after that it is matter of editing /etc/sudoers. But remember that if you have full sudo, anyone having your password/account _is_ effectively root whenever they feel like it (that's the downside of sudo) |
| 19:58.40 | x_link | I will try something out now |
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| 19:59.38 | teeeee | Lynoure: ok thank you |
| 19:59.39 | binary | teeeee : be careful with the sudoers file you can really do some damage it you mess it up |
| 19:59.59 | binary | teeeee : I locked myself out of admin privileges with it |
| 20:00.06 | binary | which mean I couldn't get back into the file to fix it |
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| 20:00.23 | teeeee | alrite |
| 20:00.32 | binary | goodluck ;-) |
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| 20:02.07 | Ryushin | I just found out that I have something odd going on. On my laptop, I've noticed that my memory under /proc/meminfo and top is only reporting 899772KB instead of 1024MB. I noticed this on one of my servers as well. I have kernel.org kernels compiled on each. I wondering if there is a new kernel option that takes memory off the top for some reason. |
| 20:02.07 | jintxo | Lynoure, another downside (inconvenicence I guess) is that sudo doesn't like a read-only system very much |
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| 20:02.09 | valdyn | Ryushin: that's not new, that's just your kernel being configured wrong for your system |
| 20:02.13 | d747 | ! |
| 20:02.20 | Ryushin | valdyn: Well, it's new for me. :) |
| 20:02.25 | piztek | does anyone know how to get to the shutdown prompt in gnome with a shortcut |
| 20:02.59 | Ryushin | valdyn: Well, any idea what option I configured wrong? |
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| 20:02.59 | Lynoure | jintxo: my favourite downside is that most people will not notice things are wrong if some scripts makes fake sudo and puts it in their path :/ |
| 20:03.03 | valdyn | Ryushin: you need to compile with highmem support |
| 20:03.05 | valdyn | !highmem |
| 20:03.05 | dpkg | i guess highmem is what you should enable if you have a Gig of RAM and Linux claims you only have 900MB. See http://www.debian-administration.org/users/sebastian/weblog/12 |
| 20:03.41 | Ryushin | Even though I only have 1 GB? |
| 20:03.56 | Ryushin | I thought highmem for for above 4 GB? |
| 20:03.57 | valdyn | Ryushin: isnt dpkg being clear about this? |
| 20:04.24 | Ryushin | I'm not using the debian kernel. I'm using my own kernel.org rolled one. |
| 20:04.34 | stew | Ryushin: there are three settings, <1gb, 1gb-4gb, 4gb-64gb, you need the middle one, but currently have the first |
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| 20:05.59 | Ryushin | valdyn and stew: Sure as ****, it's turned off. I wonder when the heck I did that. |
| 20:06.24 | piztek | does epiphany do php? |
| 20:06.53 | stew | piztek: no web browser does. web SERVERS do |
| 20:07.17 | d747 | !/join |
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| 20:07.23 | piztek | i mean i was on a webpage and tried to click submit form and it asked me if i wanted to save the php |
| 20:07.46 | stew | piztek: then the webserver is probably misconfigured |
| 20:08.46 | biz | hi, what is the fastest nmap scan method to scan for all open ports on a machine? (without using a port list, scanning through all ports) |
| 20:09.18 | Kevin` | syn, at the aggressive speed settings |
| 20:09.25 | Ryushin | valdyn and stew: Thanks much. I feel like a moron because I was sure that was already checked. Thanks again. |
| 20:09.40 | biz | Kevin`: thanks |
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| 20:10.09 | teeeee | if i have debian installd on virtual hdd (vmware) and i have a home network can i still set static ip in /etc/network/interfaces ?? and make the local ip static? network ip |
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| 20:10.26 | jintxo | I'll answer my own question, just in case anyonw waswondering (doubt it :-): even though I had the directive in conf file, I hadn't built all locales, so a dpkg-reconfigure locales and an apache restart did the trick |
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| 20:11.11 | Kevin` | teeeee you make make it an ip on the home network? use the bridged setting in vmware. what host os are you using? |
| 20:11.18 | stew | biz: why use nmap instead of netstat? |
| 20:11.28 | teeeee | windows xp |
| 20:11.45 | teeeee | i think i used bridged |
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| 20:11.57 | abrotman | stew: he didn't say if it was local or remote ... |
| 20:12.01 | biz | stew: i want to check the machine from remote |
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| 20:15.40 | abrotman | simonrvn: do you know when the music fest is in quebec ? |
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| 20:16.21 | eeyore- | i am liking "tilda" term a whole lot now :) |
| 20:16.54 | abrotman | he's drunk again! |
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| 20:17.07 | eeyore- | *burp* |
| 20:17.24 | rahul | tilda is a brand of rice |
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| 20:17.51 | rahul | abrotman: which music fest? |
| 20:17.55 | grew | FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 20:18.03 | grew | how do i fix that when trying to install the nvidia kernel module |
| 20:18.19 | abrotman | rahul: eh .. the blues one is in montreal IIRC .. so i think the quebec is a jazz one |
| 20:18.26 | rahul | but the function from whoever wrote it |
| 20:18.28 | eeyore- | wow, kernel symbols are now GPL? :-p |
| 20:18.28 | rahul | buy |
| 20:18.37 | rahul | abrotman: er, I think the mtl one is jazz |
| 20:18.42 | Kevin` | eeyore- have been for a while |
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| 20:18.46 | rahul | early july |
| 20:18.48 | abrotman | rahul: damn it! |
| 20:18.50 | eeyore- | Kevin`: i mean "GPL-only" |
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| 20:19.11 | Kevin` | eeyore- it's an option when you export the symbol, has been for a while :) |
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| 20:19.25 | eeyore- | grew: can't you just fix the kernel source code? :-) |
| 20:19.31 | Kevin` | eeyore- it's the commies doing what they can to keep linux useful in the future |
| 20:19.33 | Kevin` | ;p |
| 20:19.35 | grew | so, how does one build the nvidia module for the current linux kernel |
| 20:19.43 | grew | in unstable |
| 20:19.56 | eeyore- | Kevin`: i wonder what gentoo does that makes it not noticeable ... |
| 20:20.12 | teeeee | if i have debian installd on virtual hdd (vmware) and i have a home network can i still set static ip in /etc/network/interfaces ?? and make the local ip static? network ip |
| 20:20.24 | Kevin` | eeyore- the paravirtualization stuff that seems to be the issue hasn't been in the kernel for long |
| 20:20.36 | Kevin` | teeeee I already said yes |
| 20:20.39 | grew | if i had xorg running i would google |
| 20:20.46 | eeyore- | teeeee: only if you tell vmware that you're using the emulated image in that mode |
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| 20:20.52 | teeeee | sorry, but im unsure if im using brdiged |
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| 20:21.00 | Kevin` | teeeee so check |
| 20:21.01 | Shadowcat | grew: how is xorg a prerequsite for using the Internet? |
| 20:21.08 | Shadowcat | prerequisite* |
| 20:21.13 | abrotman | rahul: nah .. i think it's blues in montreal! |
| 20:21.14 | binary | ROFL |
| 20:21.15 | teeeee | trying but no luck |
| 20:21.19 | abrotman | why can't we get a damn canadian in here! |
| 20:21.19 | rahul | hmmm |
| 20:21.21 | teeeee | im actualy using microsoft virtual pc |
| 20:21.24 | eeyore- | Shadowcat: so you can see the internet in pretty pictures, you know |
| 20:21.29 | grew | Shadowcat: most sites are barely readable in links/lynx these days |
| 20:21.35 | Kevin` | teeeee don't say your using vmware then :/ |
| 20:21.38 | grew | Shadowcat: especially at 80x20 |
| 20:21.43 | abrotman | rahul: maybe montreal has both ? |
| 20:21.47 | Shadowcat | grew: one word, framebuffer |
| 20:21.52 | Shadowcat | and one more word, the nv module |
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| 20:22.02 | abrotman | 28th annual Montreal International Jazz Festival June 28-July 8, 2007 |
| 20:22.02 | Kevin` | teeeee you should probably ask ##windows about this, not many here use virtual pc I would guess, since it only runs on windows |
| 20:22.05 | eeyore- | teeeee: then it's not vmware is it? |
| 20:22.08 | johnaintdoe | hello.... |
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| 20:22.12 | rahul | "Le Festival International de Jazz de Montréal" |
| 20:22.12 | abrotman | FestiBlues August 9-12, 2007 |
| 20:22.15 | abrotman | argh .. both montreal! |
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| 20:22.37 | grew | Shadowcat: the nv module is xorg, which invalidates your statement :) but i guess i have to go that route |
| 20:22.38 | eeyore- | grew: elinks will get you by as you're installing debian (and other distros) |
| 20:23.36 | abrotman | dpkdpkgkg! |
| 20:23.37 | grew | oh noes |
| 20:23.37 | Shadowcat | calm yourself! |
| 20:23.37 | rahul | yay MTL |
| 20:23.37 | binary | ROFL |
| 20:23.37 | Shadowcat | repeat after me: losing dpkg is NOT the end of the world |
| 20:23.37 | binary | ROFL!!! |
| 20:23.38 | eeyore- | what is? |
| 20:23.38 | |dennis| | Question: why when using the installer to setup lvm, are the logical volume sizes off..as in if i choose 50G it creates a lv of size 52.5 G in reality...same with anyother size..actual size used is bigger than what is needed......why are the sizes skewed...?? |
| 20:23.55 | |dennis| | a wee bit anyway.... |
| 20:23.56 | abrotman | Shadowcat: that's right .. we have aptitude! |
| 20:24.01 | abrotman | aptitude: penixstrike Shadowcat |
| 20:24.02 | aptitude | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Shadowcat to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:24.02 | eeyore- | dennis: rounding based upon PV size? |
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| 20:24.10 | Shadowcat | aptitude kill abrotman |
| 20:24.14 | rahul | heh |
| 20:24.14 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 20:24.24 | Shadowcat | eww, that's so discusting too |
| 20:24.26 | binary | What is a penix |
| 20:24.29 | binary | ROFL |
| 20:24.30 | Shadowcat | disgusting* |
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| 20:24.42 | |dennis| | eeyore-:hmm.....did not look at that...PV size is 498000 mb.... |
| 20:24.44 | rahul | aptitude: penix |
| 20:24.44 | aptitude | penix is probably a highly sophisticated eggdrop bot, thought to be the predecessor of SkyNet, or madly in love with NewOS, or a crack whore, or my hero, or a Theo-loving hippy, or wants to have Alan Cox's baby. A sexy bitch. http://penix.mine.nu/images/gamp.jpg, or 'I don't exist. I live in a world that you cannot even imagine. full of gamp, fast cars, beautiful women and hardware', or a regular extra on Kingswood Country, or the shiznit, or a US Marin |
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| 20:25.06 | grew | nice, you cant paste into elinks |
| 20:25.09 | grew | worthless |
| 20:25.10 | Techdeck` | petemc! |
| 20:25.16 | Techdeck` | I managed to rescue tons of files |
| 20:25.22 | Techdeck` | but some of them are corrupted |
| 20:25.29 | Techdeck` | unfortunatly :\ |
| 20:25.37 | binary | lol |
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| 20:25.48 | pickcoder | corrupt files lead to disorder and crime |
| 20:25.54 | eeyore- | denni: *PE* size i think ... i can't ever remember those names |
| 20:26.04 | Kevin` | grew I think elinks uses the mouse (you can click on menus and links and whatever), probably why the normal paste is disrupted |
| 20:26.06 | eeyore- | dennis: the block size thingie |
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| 20:26.51 | |dennis| | eeyore-:ahh okie...the block size..makes sense i guess....bigger hard drive...oh well...:) thanks |
| 20:27.29 | eeyore- | dennis: when you create the pv, you can specify how big the PE is allowed to be, see pages like this http://web.cs.wpi.edu/~goos/Teach/cs4513-d05/samples/lvm-example.html |
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| 20:31.57 | jelly | mmm |
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| 20:32.11 | |dennis| | eeyore-PE=physical extent right? well when i do a vgdisplay it says its 4MB..wonder if thats the default... |
| 20:34.03 | zoidy | from the console, is there a way to show what video card I have? |
| 20:34.04 | |dennis| | yup..looks like it is the default....oh well...looks ok..but just thought that its weird...with the sizes.... :) |
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| 20:34.04 | Gathond | zoidy: lspci probably tels |
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| 20:34.53 | fuzan | if i have a deb-src sid source, how can i force it to use a stable/testing source (and not sid) when i try to : "apt-get source pkg" |
| 20:35.10 | zoidy | Gathond: thanks, that seems to work |
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| 20:36.28 | jelly | fuzan: I'm guessing either "apt-get source foo/stable", "apt-get -t stable source foo" or "apt-get source foo=version" |
| 20:36.46 | fuzan | jelly: yah, just found -t in the man |
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| 20:37.24 | zoidy | and what command would I run to see HD/RAM info? |
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| 20:38.07 | Gathond | zoidy: free for the RAM part, the other one is more tricky, existing devices or just the mounted ones? |
| 20:38.22 | zoidy | Gathond: mounted ones would do it |
| 20:38.33 | Gathond | df then, or mount |
| 20:38.45 | zoidy | oh right, df, thanks again |
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| 20:40.18 | SamuraiDio | will alacarte edit my ~/.config/menus/applications.menu? |
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| 20:40.40 | tefflon | how do I list the contents of a folder and see how big the contents are in mb's ? |
| 20:41.01 | xand | du -h |
| 20:41.05 | SamuraiDio | tefflon, $ ls -lh |
| 20:41.20 | tefflon | thank! |
| 20:41.37 | rock_feng | Any patch work for vsftpd run on xfs filesystem with chown_uploads set to YES ? I got the 500 Oops error |
| 20:41.49 | SamuraiDio | can i do it to read the folder size? |
| 20:42.00 | cahoot | du |
| 20:42.17 | SamuraiDio | i mean? the total size of the folder contents, not each content size? |
| 20:42.20 | enouf | hehe, he left before someone could tell him -s |
| 20:42.23 | zoidy | SamuariDio: du -sh folder |
| 20:43.25 | SamuraiDio | tnx |
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| 20:44.46 | SamuraiDio | how can i edit my deb menus? for being used for multiple WMs? can alacarte do it? |
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| 20:45.25 | stew | SamuraiDio: your debian menus are being used for any wm that appears in /etc/menu-methods/ |
| 20:45.32 | stew | SamuraiDio: what are you looking to change exactly? |
| 20:45.49 | SamuraiDio | the menu |
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| 20:46.32 | stew | SamuraiDio: those scripts are run anytime a menu should be changed. its pulls the info from /usr/share/menu . /usr/share/doc/menu should have more information |
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| 20:47.00 | Legality | the fucker is back again, he downloaded a htppd file from this folder http://www.sikundel.web.id/deva/ |
| 20:47.04 | JordiGH | Man, X-forwarding is slow in my local school network... I wonder if this can be fixed. |
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| 20:47.19 | JordiGH | Legality: You have a little script kitty? |
| 20:47.26 | Legality | most likely |
| 20:47.39 | SamuraiDio | hmm... |
| 20:47.41 | JordiGH | Legality: Extent of compromise? |
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| 20:48.24 | JordiGH | stew: Happy Emacs release, btw. :-) |
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| 20:48.38 | JordiGH | Debian put it in experimental, heh. |
| 20:48.41 | stew | JordiGH: not for me, it spins up to 100% cpu very quickly |
| 20:48.45 | jakub_ | hi |
| 20:48.50 | jakub_ | i have big problem with my mobile phone |
| 20:48.58 | Legality | JordiGH: eh? |
| 20:48.59 | JordiGH | stew: The experimental Emacs, you mean? |
| 20:48.59 | jakub_ | if i connect it to my pc - it`s normal mass storage |
| 20:49.01 | stew | JordiGH: haven't figured out why yet, nor have a tried with a blank .emacs |
| 20:49.02 | stew | JordiGH: yes |
| 20:49.04 | jakub_ | i want to send some files to ti |
| 20:49.12 | jakub_ | but it dont works, once time it works |
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| 20:49.14 | stew | JordiGH: but yes, i'm happy its finally out |
| 20:49.21 | jakub_ | normally it create file with size 0 b |
| 20:49.27 | jakub_ | do you know why ? |
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| 20:49.33 | JordiGH | Legality: I mean, how much damage has the kitty done? |
| 20:49.58 | JordiGH | stew: Try the blank .emacs... Please? I'm awfully tempted to download the experimental Emacs too. |
| 20:50.20 | Legality | JordiGH: a slight down time |
| 20:50.22 | JordiGH | stew: How big is your .emacs? |
| 20:50.31 | fuzan | i have no issue with emacs 22.x |
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| 20:50.54 | JordiGH | fuzan: Did you install the dotdeb from experimental? Or built from source? |
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| 20:51.25 | Legality | he was just running find |
| 20:51.37 | fuzan | JordiGH: backported from.... |
| 20:51.39 | jakub_ | please |
| 20:51.40 | jakub_ | help me |
| 20:51.54 | JordiGH | jakub_: I can't understand your problem. |
| 20:51.56 | fuzan | http://emacs.orebokech.com/ |
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| 20:52.07 | jakub_ | i have i think problem |
| 20:52.08 | jakub_ | with caching |
| 20:52.11 | Legality | http://www.sikundel.web.id/deva/jackdee.jpg |
| 20:52.12 | jakub_ | i need to write MP3 |
| 20:52.13 | hyperactivecrond | lenny gives me an error when i try to start x |
| 20:52.14 | jakub_ | to my mobile phone |
| 20:52.23 | hyperactivecrond | something about a font not loading fatal error |
| 20:52.23 | hyperactivecrond | which crashes it |
| 20:52.35 | hyperactivecrond | i just did apt-get install xserver-xorg gnome |
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| 20:53.48 | JordiGH | jakub: Uh. Can you write anything else to your mobile? |
| 20:53.48 | abrotman | hyperactivecrond: more details are good |
| 20:53.49 | JordiGH | jakub_: Is the mobile identified as a mass storage device? |
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| 20:53.49 | jakub_ | yes |
| 20:53.52 | hyperactivecrond | abrotman: um i'd have to reboot then hang on so i can get the specific name |
| 20:53.55 | JordiGH | jakub_: Can you write to a USB stick? |
| 20:54.14 | jakub_ | yes |
| 20:54.21 | jakub_ | i can write to mobile phone too |
| 20:54.24 | jakub_ | but once of time |
| 20:54.32 | fuzan | anyone here use david turner's subpixel patches? |
| 20:54.32 | jakub_ | everytime it do |
| 20:54.34 | jakub_ | 0b file |
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| 20:55.02 | Legality | I think he is trying to use my server to do something |
| 20:55.04 | JordiGH | jakub_: And you've tried writing besides mp3s? I'm wondering if there's any kind of DRM at work here. |
| 20:55.35 | JordiGH | Legality: What's the relevance of the picture with the babes and booze? |
| 20:55.36 | jakub_ | no |
| 20:55.37 | jakub_ | i think |
| 20:55.39 | jakub_ | it dont write to it |
| 20:55.46 | jakub_ | it save to memory in my computer to write |
| 20:55.51 | jakub_ | but it dont write it to my mobile phone |
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| 20:55.58 | Legality | JordiGH: that pic was in the same folder where he downloaded the httpd file |
| 20:56.15 | JordiGH | Legality: Oh, so your friend is leaving signatures behind? |
| 20:56.28 | abrotman | hyp |
| 20:56.30 | abrotman | he ran away! |
| 20:56.52 | Legality | he is running httpd |
| 20:57.03 | Legality | what a hell is he doing with that |
| 20:57.26 | boka | lol |
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| 20:58.02 | JordiGH | jakub_: I'm sorry. I can't be of help. |
| 20:58.10 | boka | Legality, #security |
| 20:58.41 | abrotman | more like #screwed |
| 20:59.05 | Legality | yup |
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| 21:00.02 | runev | how do i uninstall a package i got with apt-get? |
| 21:00.17 | asarch | Is there any way to print *ONLY* even pages? |
| 21:00.21 | fuzan | hmmm, i'm trying to compile cairo against freetype src with a specific macro set -- yet, i'm not sure how all this is done in a binary distro ^_^, do i have to "apt-get source" freetype, make hte modifications, and how does that insure that my libcairo package will use that source? |
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| 21:00.45 | fuzan | runev: man apt-get |
| 21:00.51 | JordiGH | runev: apt-get remove packagename. But this might not remove dependencies. |
| 21:00.56 | alexIdoia | how can I know if a port is busy ? |
| 21:01.01 | alexIdoia | and who use it ? |
| 21:01.05 | alexIdoia | is it lsof ? |
| 21:01.11 | xand | alexIdoia: netstat -plunt |
| 21:01.18 | alexIdoia | ok |
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| 21:04.09 | alexIdoia | xand: is there a way to search per port ? say for ex I want to know if there is something sending or listening on port 12345 ? |
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| 21:04.34 | dwu | | grep 12345? |
| 21:04.47 | alexIdoia | ah |
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| 21:06.11 | xand | yes, grep ftw |
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| 21:07.17 | SamuraiDio | after i press ctrl+s and hide my input on a terminal... how do ishow it back? |
| 21:07.36 | exobyte | How does debian act if I hot unplug a PCI device? I don't think the device is really in use, and if it is, I'd disable it, first. The motherboard probably doesn't "suppot" hot unplugging, either |
| 21:08.07 | Gathond | exobyte: I don't think debian cares if the driver is not loaded at that moment |
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| 21:08.17 | Gathond | exobyte: however the motherboard might make silly things:) |
| 21:08.56 | Gathond | I suppose the actual yanking out a powered card from an active PCI bus might make it do silly things |
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| 21:09.13 | exobyte | Gathond: perhaps... |
| 21:09.16 | caravel | anyone here could help me fix my grub part please ? shell is ok, commands run, but I miss to display the menu |
| 21:09.22 | eeyore- | exobyte: you'd better have steady fingers :-) |
| 21:09.33 | exobyte | eeyore-: not steady, fast |
| 21:09.49 | eeyore- | exobyte: and maybe, just maybe, your power supply might shut down ... |
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| 21:09.59 | exobyte | eeyore-: I wonder what the controller will think. that, too |
| 21:10.11 | exobyte | eeyore-: but umm... why? |
| 21:10.33 | exobyte | it's an adventure :) |
| 21:10.37 | eeyore- | exobyte: wouldn't risk it ... |
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| 21:10.58 | Gathond | exobyte: I would expect the biggest problem to be either shorting something, or simply the ripple effect on the various connections |
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| 21:11.17 | exobyte | eeyore-: I wouldn't even consider it, but people have really been slacking off on getting processes that can be moved between computers |
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| 21:11.35 | exobyte | Gathond: pci express would probably be happier |
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| 21:11.45 | Gathond | exobyte: might |
| 21:12.00 | Gathond | at least that one is only connected to one slot iirc |
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| 21:12.34 | x_link | Azar: I tried with another soundcard. That was not it either. Not cause I thouhgt it was caused by the soundcard, but now I don't have to think about that. |
| 21:12.37 | exobyte | Gathond: they need to get hotplugging to work one of these days |
| 21:12.45 | eeyore- | exobyte: echo "Arrrrrgh!!" > /etc/nologin; sleep 100; reboot |
| 21:13.40 | x_link | Azar: When I run "sudo alsaconf" this comes up as well --> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24314/ |
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| 21:13.47 | x_link | Thought I wanted to say, some filenames. |
| 21:13.53 | exobyte | eeyore-: maybe I should ask computer engineers... |
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| 21:14.21 | eeyore- | exobyte: they'll tell you, dont' do it, unless the computer is advertised as having "hot-pluggable PCI" |
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| 21:21.00 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 21:21.00 | dpkg | i guess qotd172 is <abrotman> !maint sex |
| 21:21.06 | abrotman | not fair ... |
| 21:21.45 | simonrvn | !qotd0 |
| 21:21.45 | dpkg | [qotd34] < primoturbo> how do I delete linux? < primoturbo> how do I delete debain and get something else < AciD> primoturbo > rm-rf / < primoturbo> Should I try OpenBSD? < asg> primoturbo: hahah |
| 21:22.06 | x_link | valdyn: Sorry to bother you again, but what exactly did you tell me to do the last time? |
| 21:22.21 | x_link | I really have to fix this alsaconf problem. |
| 21:22.48 | runev | how can i see how much space is left on say /var (or /dev/sda6 which it's on)? |
| 21:22.54 | mrsn0 | http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/01/06/pretty-emacs/ |
| 21:22.55 | mrsn0 | :p |
| 21:22.59 | mrsn0 | oops, wrong window! |
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| 21:24.15 | abrotman | emacs .. pretty .. wrong window indeed! |
| 21:24.19 | simonrvn | mrsn0: still interesting =) |
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| 21:25.16 | abrotman | simonrvn: but .. the music fest! |
| 21:25.36 | simonrvn | music fest? |
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| 21:25.49 | fuzan | no one here uses the cleartype patches? |
| 21:26.02 | simonrvn | the whatsis? |
| 21:26.27 | Bogus8 | anyone have any luck using opera on an AMD64 bit system? |
| 21:26.48 | simonrvn | not supported here, try #opera |
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| 21:27.55 | simonrvn | where's that bot? |
| 21:27.55 | dwu | Right here? |
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| 21:27.57 | dwu | Well, not right -here-, but dpkg is about. |
| 21:28.05 | abrotman | Bogus8: try #opera on irc.opera.com |
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| 21:28.20 | Bogus8 | abrotman: will do, thanks |
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| 21:30.14 | protoloco | how do i find a file with the command of find ? |
| 21:30.15 | protoloco | heh |
| 21:30.51 | abrotman | man find |
| 21:31.06 | rahul | protoloco: you are a tool. |
| 21:31.19 | abrotman | rahul: you're a toolbox |
| 21:31.27 | simonrvn | -type f |
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| 21:31.42 | protoloco | tool ? |
| 21:31.49 | rahul | box ; |
| 21:31.57 | simonrvn | more than a tool, a toolbox! :P |
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| 21:32.31 | simonrvn | effing scrollkeeper |
| 21:32.58 | paddor | how to reverse a file's content line by line in shell script? (bash) |
| 21:33.07 | Bogus8 | ! ati |
| 21:33.07 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com |
| 21:33.15 | simonrvn | paddor: try tac |
| 21:33.45 | paddor | simonrvn, thanks |
| 21:33.47 | rahul | I mean... |
| 21:34.35 | simonrvn | dkestop tasksel installs a lot of potentially useless stuff :/ |
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| 21:34.43 | abrotman | potentially ? |
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| 21:34.47 | simonrvn | heh heh |
| 21:34.48 | Bogus8 | umm, is that dpkg message still correct? |
| 21:34.49 | rahul | most certainly. |
| 21:34.51 | jakub_ | i diagnostic the problem |
| 21:34.54 | jakub_ | it dont copy files to USB |
| 21:34.58 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 21:34.58 | dpkg | well, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 21:34.59 | jakub_ | why ?;\ |
| 21:35.00 | Bogus8 | there is no fglrx driver in the apt repos |
| 21:35.05 | simonrvn | 'diagnosed' |
| 21:35.27 | jakub_ | everything |
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| 21:35.28 | jakub_ | i get my USB flash reader |
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| 21:35.34 | tarzeau | simonrvn: you wrongly |
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| 21:35.37 | jakub_ | and i want to copy anything and it dont, but in MC it`s good |
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| 21:35.45 | simonrvn | Bogus8: read the factoid |
| 21:35.54 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: reading, thanks |
| 21:35.57 | simonrvn | tarzeau: eh? |
| 21:36.06 | abrotman | sed -i -e 's/${var1}/${var2}/g' $i ... should work .. right ? |
| 21:36.10 | Bogus8 | I thought I had chosen non-free on install *shrug* |
| 21:36.14 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i diagnostic your linguistic problem |
| 21:36.18 | Bogus8 | ! non-free |
| 21:36.18 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 21:36.19 | abrotman | eh .. $i is a file :) |
| 21:36.26 | abrotman | !tell Bogus8 about msgthebot |
| 21:36.36 | simonrvn | tarzeau: read the sentence again... |
| 21:36.37 | Dunedan | What is the best way to start a plain xorg on startup automatically without a display manager? |
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| 21:36.45 | Bogus8 | abrotman: sorry |
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| 21:36.46 | abrotman | startx ? |
| 21:36.57 | stew | abrotman: ${var1} won't be expanded inside 's but would be inside "s |
| 21:36.57 | tarzeau | simonrvn: but "I diagnostic the problem" is so the http://loldebian.wordpress.com/ |
| 21:37.08 | tarzeau | jakub_: is there a photo of you somewhere? |
| 21:37.14 | jakub_ | huh |
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| 21:37.19 | jakub_ | it`s problem with USB port |
| 21:37.21 | Dunedan | abrotman: yeah, but where should I place it that it get's called automatically? |
| 21:37.48 | mrsn0 | abrotman im actually a vi user ;p was for someone else |
| 21:37.48 | abrotman | stew: ah .. i had " .. but had \ also .. that's what i get for mucking with it :) |
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| 21:38.28 | abrotman | stew: but it gives me unterminated errors |
| 21:38.47 | rahul | what you need is http://wigflip.com/roflbot/ |
| 21:39.03 | stew | abrotman: what do the variables expand to? |
| 21:39.21 | simonrvn | tarzeau: indeed |
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| 21:39.38 | abrotman | stew: number strings |
| 21:39.43 | abrotman | stew: or they should anyways |
| 21:39.44 | vlt|home | Hello. Does anyone know what file format ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konq_history is? -- Doesn't really look very XML ;-) |
| 21:39.50 | abrotman | stew: 524523452 for examples |
| 21:39.52 | abrotman | -s |
| 21:39.53 | tarzeau | vlt|home: file thefile |
| 21:40.08 | tarzeau | vlt|home: certainly not a unix config file sane for eyes and editing |
| 21:40.22 | stew | abrotman: what did you mean by "but had \ also" |
| 21:40.23 | tarzeau | vlt|home: and XML doesn't belong to that superior category of files either |
| 21:40.35 | abrotman | stew: i was attempting to escape the $ in $var1 |
| 21:40.47 | stew | why? |
| 21:40.54 | stew | is that not a shell variable/ |
| 21:41.09 | abrotman | it is |
| 21:41.18 | karsten | vlt|home: It's data |
| 21:41.20 | stew | then you woldn't want to escape the $ |
| 21:41.29 | abrotman | i thoguht that might be a possible cause of the unterminated errors |
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| 21:41.42 | vlt|home | tarzeau: Thank you. Yes, but it would be a liitle more readable for me. `file` says "data". |
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| 21:42.05 | dwu | abrotman: If you're using "", you don't need to escape the $, since within "", bash will expand your variables anyway. :) |
| 21:42.07 | abrotman | stew: i mean .. even if $var1 or $var2 were empty .. sed still shouldn't throw that error |
| 21:42.20 | karsten | vlt|home: ask #kde |
| 21:42.33 | karsten | abrotman: Unterminated where? |
| 21:42.34 | abrotman | dwu: right .. but i'm getting unterminated things |
| 21:42.42 | abrotman | sed: -e expression #1, char 14: unterminated `s' command |
| 21:42.55 | dwu | That's because you suck, not because of your variables ;) |
| 21:43.05 | abrotman | you wish! .. i think |
| 21:43.07 | abrotman | :) |
| 21:43.28 | stew | abrotman: can you stick an 'echo' in so we can see the actual command after shell expansion? |
| 21:43.38 | stew | (and therefore see which char is char 14) |
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| 21:43.48 | dwu | *nod*, echo is a good debugging tool :) |
| 21:43.56 | dwu | Well, FSVO. |
| 21:44.00 | karsten | abrotman: Another trick is "$var"x = "value"x |
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| 21:45.31 | karsten | a/k/a the "I'll be baack" method. |
| 21:45.39 | abrotman | eh .. somehow it's getting a newline in there ... |
| 21:45.48 | jakub_ | i have problem |
| 21:45.52 | jakub_ | my USB stick is caching |
| 21:45.53 | jakub_ | i dont know |
| 21:45.57 | jakub_ | it dont save to disc |
| 21:46.06 | jakub_ | only create file of 0b |
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| 21:46.39 | alexIdoia | what is the bach command to use if I want to launch a program and output its PID into a file ? |
| 21:46.45 | abrotman | oh .. i get it .. stupid text file |
| 21:46.50 | rahul | jakub_: uh... do you umount? |
| 21:46.55 | jakub_ | no |
| 21:46.55 | jakub_ | :D |
| 21:46.57 | jakub_ | wtF |
| 21:47.07 | frank | alexIdoia: pidof? |
| 21:47.09 | rahul | ok, so you're seeing perfectly normal behavior |
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| 21:47.31 | alexIdoia | frank: ok |
| 21:47.34 | jakub_ | ahaaa |
| 21:47.36 | jakub_ | umout :D |
| 21:47.39 | karsten | alexIdoia: bach command? Um. "Compose"? |
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| 21:48.06 | abrotman | it was grabbing two results and sticking them both in $var2 .. so it was getting a \n |
| 21:48.12 | abrotman | dumb abrotman |
| 21:48.21 | alexIdoia | karsten: ah ah, I have to admit its funny |
| 21:48.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.bottlenose.demon.co.uk/share/evolvotron/ how like this? |
| 21:48.53 | karsten | simonrvn: Ouch! |
| 21:48.57 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 21:49.18 | simonrvn | odd, was supposed to be flat |
| 21:50.25 | jakub_ | thx |
| 21:50.27 | jakub_ | umout works :D |
| 21:50.30 | jakub_ | i miss it |
| 21:50.34 | jakub_ | in my memory :D |
| 21:50.40 | alexIdoia | frank: also pidof find the PID of a running program, is there not any that launchs it and return the PID ? |
| 21:51.01 | karsten | alexIdoia: 'jobs -p' will give PIDs of active child processes. |
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| 21:51.24 | dwu | Urgh, hate medicine. |
| 21:51.33 | abrotman | stew: mets? |
| 21:51.45 | pickcoder | alexIdoia: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:52.08 | karsten | alexIdoia: but IIRC there's an idiom for getting spawned PID, I just don't recall it. |
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| 21:53.08 | alexIdoia | pickcoder: well, launching a script and storing its PID into a file so I can cron stop it |
| 21:53.14 | dwu | Cough syrup, which I'm leaving un-taken, because it makes me trippy, bromexhine, and cetirizine. |
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| 21:53.20 | cahoot | medicine defined as what? |
| 21:53.26 | dwu | See above :) |
| 21:53.42 | pickcoder | alexIdoia: there should be a function or an environment variable for the scripting language that returns the pid of itself |
| 21:53.45 | alexIdoia | what about if I do perl myscript.pl echo $! > /tmp/myscript.pid ? |
| 21:54.06 | dwu | karsten: I took 10ml of the cough syrup last night, that was the first dose. |
| 21:54.23 | simonrvn | alexIdoia: #perl |
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| 21:54.45 | dwu | karsten: Was trippy for about two hours, then slept for about ten hours. |
| 21:54.50 | karsten | dwu: Locally, "herba tussin" tea, mostly eucalyptus leaf, licorice root, slippery elm, marshmallow root. Damned good stuff. |
| 21:54.53 | simonrvn | perl's is $# or $$ IIRC. i'm probably wrong |
| 21:54.55 | alexIdoia | simonrvn: they don't know |
| 21:54.58 | pickcoder | alexIdoia: $$ is the pid |
| 21:55.04 | simonrvn | they do know |
| 21:55.06 | dwu | karsten: Scary. |
| 21:55.30 | simonrvn | karsten: oh yes, that be teh g00d s7Uff |
| 21:56.11 | karsten | dwu: http://www.traditionalmedicinals.com/product-detail.php?pid=6&what=ingredients |
| 21:56.13 | alexIdoia | pickcoder: ok cool |
| 21:56.18 | dwu | Eep :) |
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| 21:57.52 | alexIdoia | pickcoder: another thing, where are al the PID stored already /var... ? |
| 21:57.58 | karsten | Turns out the traditional cough medicine here is 1) getting put behind a "show us your ID, no, not just show us, let us scan it into our compoot3rs, we won't share with anyone, *HONEST*, and 2) is getting pulled by the FDA as ineffective. |
| 21:58.15 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:58.58 | pickcoder | if you have more than one PID to record, use a sub-directory |
| 21:59.01 | stew | karsten: where cough medicine is dxm or pseudoephidrine or what? |
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| 21:59.12 | pickcoder | otherwise you'll clutter the main dir |
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| 22:00.09 | hans0lo | I upgraded from etch to lenny, and now Beryl freaks out. Any new apps I start are invisible (only in taskbar). Anyone know of a fix? |
| 22:00.32 | karsten | stew: dxm IIRC is the one being controlled, pseudophed is _not_ controlled (despite being behind some mix-em-yourself drugs), and the tussin stuff is the one being pulled. |
| 22:00.35 | alexIdoia | pickcoder: $$ is the current pid what about the last one |
| 22:00.52 | pickcoder | last one what? |
| 22:00.52 | karsten | alexIdoia: $$ == current process PID, $PPID == parent. |
| 22:01.23 | alexIdoia | the last programm run |
| 22:02.17 | pickcoder | that's a bit vague.. the last system-wide process or the last PID your script used? |
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| 22:02.51 | karsten | pickcoder: The most recent background process spawned by the current shell. |
| 22:03.10 | pickcoder | I have no clue how to determine that |
| 22:03.16 | pickcoder | never needed it |
| 22:03.27 | ma3x | if you don't upgrade sid for a year, could it became stable? |
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| 22:04.06 | pickcoder | ma3x: the whole idea regarding software releases is bug fixes to make something stable. If you don't upgrade, how can it become stable? |
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| 22:04.31 | cahoot | maturation as in a biological system |
| 22:04.35 | dwu | Since sid never ever ever becomes stable in the Debian sense, how would that happen anyway? |
| 22:04.47 | ma3x | pickcoder, you don't upgrade for one year, then the packages in stable reach the version of those -1 year in unstable |
| 22:05.07 | pickcoder | dwu has a point |
| 22:05.18 | dwu | eeerh... that's a fairly twisted way of getting to stable. |
| 22:05.33 | dwu | And stable -doesn't- get the same uprgades sid does anyway, so it -still- wouldn't happen. |
| 22:06.05 | ma3x | dwu, you could wait one year without upgrading and then edit the sources.list with stable |
| 22:06.20 | dwu | No, you really, -really- couldn't. |
| 22:06.38 | dwu | (You -could-, but then you'd end up with at least a slightly broken system.) |
| 22:06.52 | grew | great, there is a ABI mismatch between the nvidia kernel source and nvidia-glx in unstable |
| 22:07.11 | stew | ma3x: if you have packages that were originally from sid that are all older than the current stable, you can upgrade to the current stable |
| 22:07.11 | conico | process accounting |
| 22:07.19 | dwu | stew: No guarantee of that, either. |
| 22:07.28 | ma3x | stew, that's what im talking about |
| 22:07.39 | stew | dwu: when would it fail? |
| 22:07.56 | ma3x | dwu, why? if package in sid is 0.9 version and in stable 0.9 then they are the same |
| 22:07.57 | stew | dwu: if it fails, its a bug |
| 22:08.13 | dwu | stew: What if the package in sid -wasn't- older than that in stable? |
| 22:08.29 | ma3x | dwu, then you can't upgrade |
| 22:08.31 | ma3x | it's the same |
| 22:08.37 | dwu | eh, fair enough. |
| 22:08.44 | stew | dwu: then you may or may not be able to downgrade, but that's not what i was talking about |
| 22:08.51 | dwu | In which case, you still don't have -stable-. |
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| 22:09.12 | ma3x | well, you don't need a brand. main point is you got the packages from stable |
| 22:09.15 | dwu | stew: No, but what you were talking about assumes that everything in sid will be older than the current stable in a years' time. Which may or may not happen. |
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| 22:09.46 | conico | grsecurity patch to your kernel, and enable execution logging. it will log execve calls to syslog. |
| 22:09.58 | ma3x | dwu, it might as well happen in 3 years. who cares |
| 22:09.59 | stew | dwu: yes, which is why i clearly said "..all older than the current stable" |
| 22:11.01 | dwu | stew: Yeah, fair enough. |
| 22:11.01 | ma3x | exactly |
| 22:11.01 | dwu | Sure, go ahead. |
| 22:11.01 | ma3x | fine, done thank you for clarification stew |
| 22:11.01 | pickcoder | snoppy also works |
| 22:11.02 | x_link | valdyn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24321/ Maybe that will be any help? |
| 22:11.02 | fuzan | anyone use these patches? : http://david.freetype.org/lcd/ |
| 22:11.02 | pickcoder | and you don't have to recompile anything |
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| 22:11.06 | dwu | Why do that though? Seems almost like downgrading, which is theoretically a Bad Thing(TM). |
| 22:11.37 | HostilePenguin | how do i get my etc/resolv.conf to point to my nameserver? everytime i reboot i changes? |
| 22:11.54 | dwu | Er, you put your nameserver into resolv.conf? |
| 22:12.05 | dwu | Oh, wait, you're getting a nameserver via DHCP too. |
| 22:12.13 | HostilePenguin | yes |
| 22:12.32 | dwu | Eh, there might be an override of some sort, but I don't know it off the top of my head. |
| 22:12.48 | stew | HostilePenguin: man dhclient.conf |
| 22:13.04 | HostilePenguin | ok |
| 22:13.14 | stew | or the hacky way is chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:13.14 | pickcoder | you should be able to remove the domain-name-servers from the dhclient.conf request section |
| 22:13.26 | teeeee | how do i exit vi |
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| 22:13.37 | frank | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.44 | dwu | teeeee: Esc, :wq |
| 22:13.51 | stew | teeeee: hit esc, then ':wq' is write and quit. ':q!' is quit without writing |
| 22:14.07 | x_link | If snd-emu10k1 is loading when I boot up my computer, then snd-emu10k1 should be in lsmod, right? |
| 22:14.12 | cahoot | x_link, you are aware you have two sounddevices enabled? |
| 22:14.15 | karsten | pickcoder: There's a way to get that, I don't recall it. start-stop-daemon is an ELF binary that finds same. Dunno how it does it. |
| 22:14.22 | teeeee | thanks |
| 22:14.33 | x_link | cahoot: What do you mean? |
| 22:14.34 | x_link | cahoot: How do you know/see that? |
| 22:14.52 | stew | teeeee: if you want to learn more, try 'vimtutor' |
| 22:14.58 | pickcoder | karsten: eh? |
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| 22:15.06 | skyde | hello |
| 22:15.15 | cahoot | x_link, snd-emu10k1 and snd-hda-intel according to your paste |
| 22:15.25 | karsten | pickcoder: Getting last spawned process PID. |
| 22:15.29 | karsten | pickcoder: Was toalking to a cow-roker. |
| 22:15.35 | karsten | talking. |
| 22:15.37 | pickcoder | oh |
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| 22:15.55 | x_link | cahoot: Ahh ok, how can I "kill" snd-hda-intel |
| 22:15.55 | x_link | ? |
| 22:16.05 | hans0lo | Is anyone using Lenny+Beryl successfully? |
| 22:16.06 | dwu | modprobe -r. |
| 22:16.08 | x_link | That's my onboard souncard, which mesed up. |
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| 22:16.26 | x_link | dwu: modprobe -r snd-hda-intel ? |
| 22:16.37 | dwu | uh-huh. |
| 22:16.42 | cahoot | x_link, simplest overall would be to disable it in bios, else blacklist the module |
| 22:16.44 | x_link | dwu: Or maybe that wasn't for me |
| 22:17.02 | x_link | cahoot: I thought I had disabled it in my BIOS. |
| 22:17.05 | dwu | Yes, it was, x_link. |
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| 22:17.09 | x_link | cahoot: But how do I blacklist is? |
| 22:17.17 | x_link | dwu: Ahh okej, did I understand you right with the command? |
| 22:17.23 | dwu | ... yes. |
| 22:17.26 | x_link | ok |
| 22:17.29 | x_link | Then I will do it now |
| 22:17.39 | x_link | As root right? |
| 22:17.42 | cahoot | x_link, in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 22:17.53 | x_link | cahoot: Can't I do like dwu just said? |
| 22:18.23 | dwu | You could, but then you'd have to do it everytime. |
| 22:18.31 | x_link | Ahh ok |
| 22:18.32 | grew | ugh |
| 22:18.37 | dwu | Mind, I -was- only answering for the once. |
| 22:18.38 | cahoot | x_link, in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist rather |
| 22:18.46 | grew | where can i find documentation on the nvidia driver? i need the xinerama options and whatnot |
| 22:18.58 | pickcoder | karsten: if I'm not mistaken, start-stop-daemon tracks stuff from files in /var/run/ |
| 22:19.29 | x_link | cahoot: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24322/ |
| 22:19.42 | x_link | It looks like that right now. |
| 22:20.15 | cahoot | x_link, add a line like: blacklist snd-hda-intel |
| 22:20.42 | x_link | cahoot: Okej. |
| 22:20.45 | pickcoder | $! is last background pocess |
| 22:20.46 | pickcoder | process |
| 22:20.52 | x_link | Without # then =) |
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| 22:21.01 | cahoot | yes |
| 22:21.14 | x_link | hehe |
| 22:21.20 | x_link | cahoot: I will reboot now to see if it works. |
| 22:21.58 | x_link | I really hope it will help |
| 22:22.06 | x_link | alsaconf is done now, I will reboot. |
| 22:22.09 | teeeee | http://pastebin.ca/542747 ---- can someone tell me how i can find the network address and the gateway address? |
| 22:22.36 | teeeee | i have the address, broadcast and netmask |
| 22:22.47 | dwu | Gateway could be anything, network address is derived by using the netmask. |
| 22:22.58 | stew | teeeee: you should not specify network or broadcast unless you are doing something non-standard and know exactly what you are doing |
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| 22:23.19 | dwu | He's specified them both correctly, though, so not a big deal in that case :) |
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| 22:23.23 | teeeee | stew: just folowing http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p3 |
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| 22:23.37 | teeeee | so they are both right? |
| 22:23.47 | dwu | Your gateway could be anything, depending on your network <shrug> |
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| 22:23.51 | teeeee | i thought so but.. just making sure i guess .. what exactly is network? and what is gateway? how is that didfferent the naddress |
| 22:23.56 | stew | teeeee: if you don't know your gateway address, ask your network administrator |
| 22:24.05 | teeeee | i am the network administrator |
| 22:24.06 | dwu | ... oy, gods, I'm so not explaining that. |
| 22:24.08 | teeeee | haha |
| 22:24.19 | teeeee | ..nobody would know better then me.. at work... im theo nly one that messes around with computers here |
| 22:24.24 | stoned | hi stew |
| 22:24.25 | dwu | stew: All yours. |
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| 22:24.37 | rahul | look who's back |
| 22:24.49 | stew | stoned: hi |
| 22:25.50 | stew | teeeee: gateway would be the router/firewall/whatever that connects you to the rest of the world |
| 22:25.50 | rahul | hmm |
| 22:25.50 | teeeee | ok the gateway is |
| 22:25.50 | rahul | stoned: did you tell me about the fall of troy? |
| 22:25.50 | pickcoder | or another network |
| 22:25.50 | teeeee | 192.168.0.1 |
| 22:25.50 | stoned | rahul: no |
| 22:25.51 | stoned | wasn't me |
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| 22:26.07 | rahul | okie |
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| 22:26.46 | karsten | pickcoder: It's responsible for _creating_ those files, with the -m option. |
| 22:26.54 | karsten | pickcoder: ... where the daemon itself doesn't do so. |
| 22:26.58 | x_link | cahoot: Thanks ALOT |
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| 22:27.14 | pickcoder | karsten: execv returns the PID when launched |
| 22:27.15 | Gokee2 | Anyone know of a place I can get jackd >= 0.105.0 without having to compile it myself? |
| 22:27.18 | cahoot | varsågod |
| 22:27.22 | rahul | stoned: so... friday? |
| 22:27.23 | pickcoder | IIRC |
| 22:27.35 | stoned | rahul: msg more info |
| 22:27.41 | rahul | I want to see all of #debian there!!! |
| 22:27.43 | karsten | pickcoder: syscal? |
| 22:27.47 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.55 | pickcoder | $! is the env variable where the last background process PID is kept |
| 22:28.00 | dwu | What -is- Friday-? |
| 22:28.00 | pickcoder | $$ is the current process ID |
| 22:28.10 | x_link | cahoot: Hehe visste inte att du var svensk =) |
| 22:28.12 | stoned | $$ in ma pockets |
| 22:28.13 | dwu | pickcoder: Deja vu :) |
| 22:28.15 | karsten | !win pickcoder |
| 22:28.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, pickcoder! You have won the US presidency! |
| 22:28.15 | stoned | mmm |
| 22:28.26 | karsten | pickcoder: Take it, please! |
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| 22:29.35 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 22:30.42 | stoned | rahul: I dunno this weeks schedule I'll get it tomorrow |
| 22:30.51 | stoned | er.. that was supposed to be an msg |
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| 22:31.20 | rahul | in case anyone is wondering, we're planning on when we'll be having hot, sparky botsex |
| 22:31.32 | stoned | hehe |
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| 22:31.37 | rahul | (note that botsex is sparky, not steamy) |
| 22:31.48 | stoned | how many stoners does it take to install etch? |
| 22:31.57 | rahul | none. they install lenny. |
| 22:32.04 | stoned | i was gonna say sid |
| 22:32.05 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:32.07 | rahul | heh |
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| 22:32.27 | stoned | i used to have a friend named lenny |
| 22:32.34 | stoned | a fat kid |
| 22:32.46 | stoned | he was cool |
| 22:33.04 | cahoot | and slightly OT |
| 22:33.13 | stoned | not slightly, completely ot |
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| 22:34.10 | stoned | I must go procure nourishment |
| 22:34.15 | stoned | *gone* |
| 22:34.16 | MolePrince | Hello. Is anyone knowledgable about Screen who could answer a quick question or two please? |
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| 22:34.28 | rahul | arse |
| 22:34.40 | rahul | MolePrince: you already asked one question... |
| 22:34.54 | karsten | !tell MolePrince about ask |
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| 22:36.04 | pickcoder | I'm wrong.. fork returns the pid of the child and execv only returns a value on error |
| 22:36.09 | MolePrince | Err, right. Is there a way in screen to set it so that when using ^A tab to switch between buffers to skip one? I have three windows, one is an IRC channel, one is nano document and one is a watch wc on said nano document. I'd like to be able to tab back adn forth between the first two and exclude the third please. |
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| 22:36.27 | pickcoder | I guess I don't write C code often enough |
| 22:36.28 | karsten | MolePrince: C-a a |
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| 22:36.43 | dondelelcaro | MolePrince: just C-a 1, C-a 0; or whatever. |
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| 22:37.10 | karsten | MolePrince: toggles between the two most recent screens. You can navigate directly to a screen either by number (C-a 1, C-a 2, C-a 3), or through the menu (C-a ") |
| 22:37.21 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I use it, but only dishonestly. |
| 22:37.22 | MolePrince | dondelelcaro: That changes the current window to buffer 0 or 1 or such, I have it split to three buffers eahc displaying sommat different. |
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| 22:37.47 | karsten | MolePrince: Oh, you're talking about split screen. |
| 22:37.55 | MolePrince | Yeah :) |
| 22:37.58 | karsten | MolePrince: Nope, not that I'm aware. Nor can you navigate backwards. |
| 22:38.06 | MolePrince | karsten: Tragic, that.. |
| 22:38.09 | karsten | MolePrince: That's mildly annoying, but I've learned to live with it. |
| 22:39.02 | MolePrince | karsten: Thanks anyways :) |
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| 22:39.05 | skyde | what is /dev/dm-0 |
| 22:39.06 | tuxx | hi guys |
| 22:39.13 | tuxx | i have a few hunderd mislabeled files |
| 22:39.19 | tuxx | LITJUNG_KU_sew7012_31_A11.SCF LITJUNG_KU_sew7012_32_A11.SCF |
| 22:39.22 | tuxx | etc.. |
| 22:39.28 | tuxx | i wanta move them to LITJUNG_KU_sew7012_31_A11.SCF LITJUNG_KU_sew7012_32_A11.SCF |
| 22:39.31 | tuxx | oops |
| 22:39.36 | karsten | tuxx: apt-cache show rename; aptitude install rename; man rename |
| 22:39.41 | dondelelcaro | MolePrince: If you do something like bind j focus up; in your screenrc, it may work. |
| 22:39.47 | dondelelcaro | MolePrince: man screen; for details. |
| 22:39.51 | tuxx | i wanta move them to: LITSPP_KU_sew7012_32_A11.SCF |
| 22:39.58 | tuxx | can i use a file cmd like |
| 22:39.59 | karsten | feh. |
| 22:40.00 | MolePrince | dondelelcaro: Thanks, I'll look into that. |
| 22:40.03 | dondelelcaro | tuxx: use rename |
| 22:40.20 | Legality | how to use rsync if the transfered package is not in the web folder |
| 22:40.31 | karsten | tuxx: It's part of shell-utils or something. But the command you want is 'rename' |
| 22:40.33 | tuxx | dondelelcaro: it can rename works for multiple files? |
| 22:40.38 | dondelelcaro | tuxx: yes |
| 22:40.39 | karsten | tuxx: Yes. |
| 22:40.42 | tuxx | oh cool |
| 22:41.10 | karsten | tuxx: You can also do shell loops and manipulations with sed or awk. |
| 22:41.10 | dondelelcaro | Legality: uh... give rsync the path to whatever you're trying to transfer? |
| 22:41.11 | MolePrince | Heh.. I've always just used sed >.> |
| 22:41.20 | dwu | rename does use that, I think. |
| 22:41.29 | tuxx | karsten: yea i was thinking of -find -name .. -exec mv {}.. \; |
| 22:41.30 | dwu | karsten: Finicky! :) |
| 22:41.32 | tuxx | but i cant figure out the sed |
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| 22:41.42 | dondelelcaro | yeah, the problem with shell loops is screwing with escapes |
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| 22:41.47 | karsten | dwu: ? |
| 22:41.51 | Legality | dondelelcaro: i mean between 2 servers |
| 22:41.53 | kritical | I'm rather new to syslogging... I'm using the logger unix command... I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction... I'm using `logger -i -p local0.error -t script.sh <error message>`... is local0.error the correct value to use? I've read man syslog(3) and man logger(1) but I'm still not sure... |
| 22:41.57 | Legality | :) |
| 22:42.02 | karsten | Hrm. rename is apparently part of perl. |
| 22:42.08 | dondelelcaro | Legality: it's the same way; log into one of them, and use rsync to do the transfer. |
| 22:42.30 | tuxx | i cant find rename |
| 22:42.37 | Legality | huh? rsync ip/var/package ip/var? |
| 22:42.39 | dondelelcaro | tuxx: it's part of perl-base. |
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| 22:42.58 | tuxx | part of which package? |
| 22:42.59 | dondelelcaro | Legality: rsync foohost:/var/foopkg barhost:/var/.; or similar. man rsync; explains this. |
| 22:42.59 | tuxx | apt-get what? |
| 22:43.01 | karsten | tuxx: for file $( ls *file-glob* ); do mv $file $( echo $file | sed 's/something/else/' ); done |
| 22:43.05 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/rename |
| 22:43.07 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 22:43.09 | dondelelcaro | !tell tuxx -about search |
| 22:43.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/rename' (2): (/usr/lib/remstats/bin/rename-host) in net/remstats ;; (/usr/lib/debian-test/tests/linux/testcases/bin/{rename01|rename02|rename03|...}) in misc/ltp-kernel-test. |
| 22:43.12 | karsten | dwu: perl |
| 22:43.14 | karsten | dondelelcaro: perl |
| 22:43.15 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/rename$ |
| 22:43.16 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:43.20 | karsten | dwu: NM. |
| 22:44.12 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Apparently several different ones as it's in /etc/alternatives as well. |
| 22:44.41 | dondelelcaro | yeah; had forgotten that that changed a while ago |
| 22:45.21 | karsten | dondelelcaro: How do you check what else (not necessarially installed) provides something under /etc/alternatives?] |
| 22:46.59 | karsten | tuxx: Also mrename and renameutils FYI. |
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| 22:47.31 | necrite_ | hi all .. what is the best option to file sharing? |
| 22:47.37 | karsten | !best |
| 22:47.37 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 22:47.40 | necrite_ | nfs? |
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| 22:47.57 | karsten | necrite_: A network. And files. And people to share. |
| 22:47.57 | necrite_ | lol karsten :D best performance ? |
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| 22:48.14 | tansaku | hi, I'm trying to work out how to get ruby 1.8.2 onto lenny. apt-cache policy ruby says 1.8.2 is installed, but ruby -v says 1.8.6 ... |
| 22:48.18 | karsten | necrite_: Underspecified question. |
| 22:48.38 | karsten | necrite_: How many users? What level of control over them? Within or outside an enterprise? |
| 22:48.51 | karsten | necrite_: In general, I'd say ftp or http. You're not giving us a real question. |
| 22:48.55 | karsten | !tell necrite_ about smart questions |
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| 22:49.53 | necrite_ | karsten, oks try again.. i have 3 servers in one lan gigabit.. i need to share some directories between the server.. |
| 22:50.05 | fuzan | zing, i'm switching to ubuntu. |
| 22:50.19 | necrite_ | what is my best option? |
| 22:50.21 | |fluxdude| | I'm trying to get cpu freqency scaling working in debian but it doesn't look like the kernel supports it and I have beeen |
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| 22:50.24 | |fluxdude| | apt-cache searching for kernel modules for this, any ideas? |
| 22:50.26 | |fluxdude| | I can do this with my own compiled kernels but I want to use the stock debian kernel |
| 22:50.27 | pickcoder | necrite_: are file/user/group permissions and sync a major concern? |
| 22:50.42 | |fluxdude| | usually there is a kernel module for stuff that is not included but it doesn't look like it here |
| 22:51.01 | necrite_ | pickcoder, nop. |
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| 22:52.04 | pickcoder | so if you write a file across the network, it could belong to "nobody" and have user-only permissions? |
| 22:52.11 | tansaku | apt-cache policy ruby1.8 shows 1.8.6 is installed ... |
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| 22:52.53 | necrite_ | pickcoder, yes.. |
| 22:53.14 | pickcoder | what about file sizes |
| 22:53.26 | necrite_ | some files are 200m |
| 22:53.34 | necrite_ | or 150 top |
| 22:55.10 | caravel | could you please help me to correct my grub ? it opens its shell, not the menu. thanks.. |
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| 22:55.43 | pickcoder | I've used Samba and NFS for a variety of file serving purposes and I like then each for a specific reason. NFS gives you real permission control while Sabma gives you masked control. |
| 22:55.49 | pickcoder | s/then/them |
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| 22:56.35 | pickcoder | NFS can be annoying from a security point unless you lock down the listener to a specific port so you can secure it with firewall rules |
| 22:56.45 | necrite_ | pickcoder, oks.. so may be nfs is my option.. |
| 22:57.14 | pickcoder | if you are running in a mixed environment, Samba gives you easy to setup Windoze shares |
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| 22:57.38 | necrite_ | no.. just linux box |
| 22:57.56 | Fetrovsky | how can I play a movie dvd? |
| 22:57.56 | Fetrovsky | i tried movieplayer |
| 22:57.56 | necrite_ | vlc |
| 22:58.00 | necrite_ | apt-get install vlc |
| 22:59.06 | Fetrovsky | installing |
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| 22:59.24 | Thaiger | I'm trying to get X working on a Dell PowerEdge 1950 with an ATI ES1000, I installed xserver-xorg-video-ati, but no luck, I've googled for it, but no luck there either, anyone get X to work with this? |
| 22:59.36 | necrite_ | pickcoder, which nfs should i install ? unfs3 - User-space NFSv3 Server ? |
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| 22:59.51 | necrite_ | pickcoder, and the common nfs server? |
| 23:00.07 | Fetrovsky | libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. |
| 23:00.10 | Fetrovsky | what does this mean? |
| 23:02.33 | pickcoder | I've been using the nfs-user-server |
| 23:02.59 | Legality | hah |
| 23:03.03 | Fetrovsky | necrite_: vlc won't play it because it's encrypted.. what could i do? |
| 23:03.15 | Fetrovsky | it's a rental >) |
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| 23:03.32 | Legality | reaching 21 mb/sec while backupping data via 2 servers in different countries |
| 23:03.36 | necrite_ | dont know :D |
| 23:03.42 | Fetrovsky | oh ok :) |
| 23:03.42 | shajra | I'm actually confused a little about hostname. Is changing /etc/hostname enough? Or do I need to do something else? |
| 23:04.02 | necrite_ | restart the server |
| 23:04.04 | pickcoder | necrite_: reading the info for unfs3, it says it does not support file locking. |
| 23:04.10 | necrite_ | or run the command hostname |
| 23:04.15 | pickcoder | but it supports files larger than 2GB |
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| 23:05.52 | pickcoder | the nfs-user-server does not support locking either |
| 23:05.54 | necrite_ | hoo pickcoder .. so .. i just need files with 200mb top.. and i need file locking.. so .. my best option is the common nfs user |
| 23:06.30 | pickcoder | I mostly generate and serve files, so locking wasn't something I looked for |
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| 23:07.00 | grew | what is the thunderbird package in unstable? |
| 23:07.04 | abrotman | icedove |
| 23:07.09 | grew | thats right, thanks |
| 23:07.28 | FrozenSpoon | I'm trying to update a Debian machine that only has 90MB of free HD space. What would be the best plan? |
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| 23:08.32 | shwag | what is the package name for Git is a distributed revision control / software configuration management project created by Linus Torvalds to manage software development of the Linux kernel. |
| 23:08.46 | pickcoder | necrite_: you may want to consider the kernel server if you need locking with NFS version 4 |
| 23:08.54 | pickcoder | that's out of my realm at this point, though |
| 23:09.02 | abrotman | shwag: apt-cache search git ? |
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| 23:09.36 | shwag | abrotman: says.. git - GNU Interactive Tools, a file browser/viewer and process viewer/killer ... is not a version control system. |
| 23:10.09 | abrotman | shwag: did you read the rest of the results ? |
| 23:10.32 | necrite_ | pickcoder, oks tks |
| 23:10.35 | pickcoder | Samba supports file locking |
| 23:10.44 | pickcoder | http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/ch08.html |
| 23:11.21 | abrotman | shwag: apt-cache --names-only search git |
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| 23:11.30 | Fetrovsky | so... how can I play a dvd? |
| 23:11.35 | cj | how do I add keys to my apt-key keyring? |
| 23:11.39 | cj | and what's the default etch key? |
| 23:11.46 | abrotman | cj: /topic |
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| 23:12.00 | cj | abrotman: thanks, I think :) |
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| 23:12.14 | pickcoder | bbl |
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| 23:14.14 | abrotman | !info xmms-singit etch |
| 23:14.19 | dpkg | xmms-singit: (Display and edit lyrics with XMMS), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.1.28+dfsg-1 (etch), Packaged size: 324 kB, Installed size: 980 kB |
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| 23:15.01 | bpun | what option do i pass to ignore misname packages on apt-get install ? |
| 23:15.46 | cj | can someone confirm that ADB11277 is the etch stable release key? |
| 23:16.16 | abrotman | pub 1024D/ADB11277 2006-09-17 |
| 23:16.17 | abrotman | uid Etch Stable Release Key <debian-release@lists.debian.org> |
| 23:16.24 | cj | thanks, abrotman |
| 23:16.33 | Spyro_boy | abrot for the win |
| 23:16.42 | abrotman | now make me food! |
| 23:16.45 | cydork | bpun: ignore misname? what do you mean? |
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| 23:16.49 | cydork | !food abrotman |
| 23:16.55 | cydork | !feed abrotman |
| 23:17.01 | abrotman | eh... |
| 23:17.06 | Spyro_boy | *cough* |
| 23:17.26 | Azar | cydork: I found last night a page I think might be yours |
| 23:17.34 | abrotman | he lost it ? |
| 23:17.44 | Spyro_boy | hah |
| 23:17.53 | Azar | hehe no |
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| 23:17.58 | rahul | HEH\ |
| 23:18.01 | cydork | I did?? |
| 23:18.05 | Spyro_boy | if they know each other in rl, that'd probably make sense.. |
| 23:18.10 | Azar | search dpkg factoid database.. |
| 23:18.26 | Azar | http://vihang007.googlepages.com/debian.html |
| 23:18.39 | maxamillion | is anyone familiar with if/how aptitude verifies package download integrity? i just moved and my new net connection is horribly slow and i am worried about dropped packets corrupting package downloads |
| 23:18.46 | cydork | Azar: aah that one :) |
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| 23:18.58 | cydork | Azar: i have another one too http://cydork.mine.nu/~vihang/debgoogle.png ;) |
| 23:18.59 | abrotman | maxamillion: md5sum ? |
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| 23:19.09 | Azar | cydork: thanks I bookmarked it |
| 23:19.13 | maxamillion | abrotman: does aptitude use md5sum? |
| 23:19.33 | abrotman | maxamillion: apt-cache show libc6 .. see the md5 ? i suppose it could use that to verify the package has all its bits |
| 23:20.05 | maxamillion | abrotman: ah, ok ... thanks |
| 23:20.19 | cydork | Azar: you have google account?? check this http://www.google.com/coop/profile?user=015912627600467961994 |
| 23:20.31 | Azar | cydork: no, I don't , do I need one? |
| 23:20.43 | cydork | Azar: well you can try it out any way! |
| 23:20.48 | Azar | ok |
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| 23:22.36 | Azar | ah cool! |
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| 23:23.58 | maxamillion | abrotman: is there any documentation anywhere discussing how this is done? ... i am just rather curious |
| 23:23.59 | abrotman | maxamillion: i assume in the apt docs .. but i'd rather not read them :) |
| 23:24.07 | maxamillion | abrotman: lol |
| 23:24.11 | abrotman | maxamillion: if all else fails .. read the code! |
| 23:24.26 | maxamillion | abrotman: i will go brave the apt docs before diving into source code, thanks :) |
| 23:24.39 | dondelelcaro | maxamillion: it's atually libapt that does it, and the md5sum of the package is checked; it's compared to the value in the Packages.gz |
| 23:24.39 | abrotman | the aptitude docs might also have something |
| 23:24.52 | fuzan | anyone use david turner's cleartype patches? |
| 23:24.54 | abrotman | oh .. dondelelcaro took all the fun out of reading ;) |
| 23:25.00 | maxamillion | dondelelcaro: oh, thank you |
| 23:25.10 | dondelelcaro | fuzan: assume the answer is yes |
| 23:25.13 | abrotman | isn't libapt and apt-get the same source ? |
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| 23:25.24 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yerp |
| 23:25.30 | tiiiam | I seem to be missing a lot of my manpages |
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| 23:25.45 | abrotman | tiiiam: such as ? |
| 23:26.03 | abrotman | did you install manpages-dev ? |
| 23:26.13 | tiiiam | abrotman: i doubt it |
| 23:26.18 | tiiiam | abrotman: lemme check |
| 23:27.04 | tuxx_ | dondelelcaro: could you send me your rename perl script? |
| 23:27.23 | tuxx_ | i hear perl comes with rename sometimes |
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| 23:27.54 | abrotman | sng! |
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| 23:28.05 | dondelelcaro | tuxx_: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/bin/sanitize_filename |
| 23:28.43 | tiiiam | abrotman: thanks a lot |
| 23:28.49 | tiiiam | abrotman: that did it |
| 23:28.56 | abrotman | tiiiam: enjoy |
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| 23:31.18 | Azar | kudos to Debian again: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/article/debian_as_a_desktop_system |
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| 23:32.29 | stew | "I’m happy to report that previous pain points, such as wireless networking, “just work” on my Dell laptop." |
| 23:32.38 | stew | what wireless card is dell shipping that would 'just work' in etch? |
| 23:33.27 | mmlj4 | there's a page on that somewhere |
| 23:33.37 | abrotman | stew: the ones from 2003 :) |
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| 23:34.38 | abrotman | stew: ipw3945 so says the article |
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| 23:35.16 | Azar | stew, reality is I hardly see nowadays people who install Etch flocking here with wireless complaints |
| 23:35.24 | Azar | .. comparing with last year on Sarge |
| 23:35.57 | mmlj4 | i'd think complaints about wireless are the least of their worries ;-) |
| 23:36.17 | stew | oh ahh i guess ipw3945 might be painless as long as you are not doing a netinstall and have enabled non-free |
| 23:36.40 | evilbulgarian | hi, how do i reload init after adding a serial console to initab? |
| 23:36.53 | dondelelcaro | evilbulgarian: telinit q |
| 23:37.04 | dondelelcaro | evilbulgarian: man telinit; for details |
| 23:37.04 | stew | (and you know all the packages you have to install to get it working) |
| 23:37.11 | evilbulgarian | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 23:38.56 | Azar | hmmm stew, after installation done, he did enabled non-free contrib.. |
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| 23:40.36 | abrotman | Azar: and showed all his readers how to mix |
| 23:40.37 | g4lnx | syslog flood: how turn off this boring messages ? evbug.c: Event. Dev: isa0060/serio0/input0... |
| 23:40.57 | protoloco | what are the diferences.. betweenn #su - user AND #su user ?? without the '-' |
| 23:41.00 | Azar | yes |
| 23:41.13 | abrotman | protoloco: man su .. read about it |
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| 23:41.50 | helfrez | anyone tried the gnome 2.16 packages from norbert? |
| 23:42.28 | abrotman | on etch ? |
| 23:42.37 | helfrez | correct |
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| 23:43.20 | asarch | !cups |
| 23:43.20 | dpkg | [cups] a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 23:43.30 | asarch | cups setup |
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| 23:44.03 | teeeee | http://wordpress.pastebin.ca/542933 why owuldnt it creatae certificate |
| 23:44.07 | asarch | How can I restart the CUPS daemon? |
| 23:44.08 | teeeee | can someone help me out really quick |
| 23:44.18 | helfrez | abrotman, seems that 2.16 is getting skipped? since 2.18 packages have already started entering unstable |
| 23:44.25 | asarch | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.31 | fuzan | dondelelcaro: hah. i wish. you don't? |
| 23:44.41 | teeeee | asarcHl; check ur init.d dir |
| 23:44.44 | johnaintdoe | personally the 2.16 and 2.18 are feeling quite similar |
| 23:44.47 | abrotman | helfrez: it's quite possible .. |
| 23:44.57 | teeeee | d |
| 23:45.08 | asarch | teeeee: If found *A LOT* of CUPS related file over ther |
| 23:45.09 | [Nande] | -> /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 23:45.22 | teeeee | oh heh |
| 23:45.38 | cva | I'm trying to edit the udev rule so it can create more than 10 usb input devices but haven't figured it out yet. The default is event[0-9]* and after several attempts, all I've accomplished is not having any events. |
| 23:45.38 | teeeee | there is ur specific by [Nande] |
| 23:45.38 | teeeee | can anyone help me with my sitaution |
| 23:45.38 | cva | Anyone know the correct regex to do this? |
| 23:45.49 | teeeee | http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p5 |
| 23:45.56 | teeeee | http://wordpress.pastebin.ca/542933 |
| 23:46.01 | helfrez | johnaintdoe, they are very...would have been nice to get a 2.16 in testing, but looks like we will be waiting for the next release for 2.18 |
| 23:46.17 | johnaintdoe | ah... i see |
| 23:46.29 | johnaintdoe | skipping 2.16 eh? |
| 23:46.30 | johnaintdoe | well done |
| 23:46.38 | helfrez | was just wondering is anyone had given the 2.16 backport files from norbert a try |
| 23:47.03 | helfrez | johnaintdoe, being that 2.18 packages are in unstable already, thats what im banking will happen |
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| 23:47.22 | johnaintdoe | ok i tried a ton of distros never failed on me |
| 23:47.30 | Azar | huh? Automatix to perform as a backport tool? |
| 23:47.42 | abrotman | Azar: did it say that? |
| 23:47.48 | teeeee | anyone? |
| 23:47.48 | Nosferatu | bueller? |
| 23:47.57 | Azar | abrotman: not specifically, maybe I did not understand it well? |
| 23:48.04 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 23:48.18 | asarch | teeeee: This goes far beyon my knowledge |
| 23:48.28 | asarch | teeeee: What are you trying to do? |
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| 23:48.37 | Azar | " Automatix works by using Debians own package manager, apt, to download packages from either the official Debian repositories, or other third party repositories and when applicable configures the system appropriately" << ?? |
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| 23:49.51 | abrotman | how does that sound like a backport ? |
| 23:50.27 | Azar | abrotman: "third party repositories" is not for extract/install packages not ment for my Debian version? |
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| 23:50.50 | ribasushi | hi |
| 23:50.55 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 23:51.17 | karsten | RHN is teh suck. |
| 23:51.28 | teeeee | hahahah |
| 23:51.32 | teeeee | comon someone help |
| 23:51.40 | teeeee | http://wordpress.pastebin.ca/542933 |
| 23:51.40 | ribasushi | is there a way to "reserve" an RC level, so the contents ot /etc/rcX.d will not be tampered with by any subsequent dpkg installs/removes ? |
| 23:52.52 | abrotman | Azar: still not a backport |
| 23:52.56 | ribasushi | teeeee: your default openssl.cnf is borked |
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| 23:53.17 | Azar | ah, ok thanks abrotman |
| 23:53.36 | Azar | teeeee: I have no clue about postfix, tried it once and gave up. Newbie here |
| 23:53.40 | abrotman | Azar: i'd call that an unofficial repository |
| 23:54.23 | teeeee | hehe ok |
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| 23:54.25 | teeeee | no biggie azar |
| 23:54.31 | teeeee | ribasushi: how do i go finx it ? |
| 23:54.32 | Azar | abrotman: I can't see this automatix's advantage then, if I want a non-debian package I can go, download unzip, compile install |
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| 23:54.55 | abrotman | Azar: you could |
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| 23:55.16 | teeeee | http://wordpress.pastebin.ca/542933 --- im getin that openssl.cnf is BROKEN .. how can i fix anyone? |
| 23:55.47 | ribasushi | teeeee: you need to have a section called [ v3_req ] and maybe [ v3_ca ] iirc |
| 23:56.01 | ribasushi | teeeee: just find an example of an openssl.cnf on google |
| 23:56.04 | ribasushi | and go from there |
| 23:56.34 | ribasushi | anyone on my question about rc levels? |
| 23:56.49 | vlt|home | Hello. Does Debian or the kernel store the recent IP-MACADDR relations somewhere? Something like "192.168.1.10: last seen from aa:bb:cc:dd:..."? |
| 23:57.11 | asarch | teeeee: Why don't you check at this channel #linuxn00b |
| 23:57.13 | ribasushi | vlt|home: type 'ip neigh' |
| 23:57.13 | asarch | ? |
| 23:57.53 | Azar | well anything was nice on that article until the end when the author tuffled Murdock and Solaris in the sauce. Obviously most still don't know Murdock is not on Debian GNU/Linux for long now |
| 23:59.16 | ribasushi | vlt|home: and then 'man ip' :) |
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| 23:59.17 | vlt|home | ribasushi: I tried `ip n s` before but the machine I want to wake up shut down a few hours ago. So it doesn't appear there anymore. |
| 23:59.17 | ribasushi | vlt|home: this is all the arp storage there is, sorry |
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| 23:59.57 | vlt|home | ribasushi: Ok, thanks. |
