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| 00:05.52 | Sweetandy | I'm looking for software for my webserver where I have an input box and a post button that updates the same page to include that text at the top; a sort of shoutbox, but for longer messages. |
| 00:06.21 | Sweetandy | The purpose is for communication between two people on a remote and 3rd party website, where the folder containing it can be password protected. |
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| 00:07.24 | vladuz976 | after a fresh install of etch that is the stable release I guess, how do you switch to unstable? just edit the source list file? |
| 00:08.02 | vladuz976 | is it that simple? do i need to expect things braking because of incompatible packages? |
| 00:08.53 | karsten | !stable->unstable |
| 00:08.53 | dpkg | it has been said that stable->unstable is iyhtays. if you need more recent packages, ask me about testing or quick etch/sid mix |
| 00:09.19 | karsten | !iyhtays |
| 00:09.19 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 00:09.46 | karsten | Sweetandy: Perlmonks has something like that. |
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| 00:10.06 | karsten | Sweetandy: Not sure what the back-end is. You'll want to find a CMS with that feature, it's not really a Debian question. |
| 00:10.07 | vladuz976 | karsten: is that what you do? when you have to ask you just don't |
| 00:10.23 | karsten | vladuz976: People who have to ask how to go to unstable shouldn't. |
| 00:10.26 | Sweetandy | karsten: True - I just love the community. I should have gone defocus. |
| 00:10.37 | dogmeat | when i did 'iptables -F' i was locked out, i went to the console and did 'iptables -X', then 'iptables -F', and saw that the iptables rules were deleted, but now i can't ssh to the host anymore, any ideas why? |
| 00:10.55 | karsten | dogmeat: Default deny. |
| 00:11.17 | karsten | dogmeat: Flush your rules, and you deny all. |
| 00:11.18 | vladuz976 | karsten: what if you come from a different distro or even BSD where things work differently? you're expected to just know? |
| 00:11.18 | karsten | dogmeat: I've never done that myself. I swear. |
| 00:11.33 | karsten | vladuz976: You're expected to stick around long enough to find out how things work. |
| 00:11.45 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 00:11.46 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 00:11.48 | karsten | vladuz976: Or putting a familiar friendly edge on it. |
| 00:11.52 | karsten | vladuz976: RTFM. |
| 00:12.27 | karsten | vladuz976: You can start with the APT HOWTO, Debian Policy, and http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 00:12.44 | karsten | vladuz976: We do this for your benefit ... |
| 00:12.53 | karsten | vladuz976: ... though strewth it's somewhat ours as well. |
| 00:13.02 | vladuz976 | karsten: guess you're right about that, but don't really feel welcome anymore here |
| 00:13.09 | karsten | vladuz976: Enjoy that frying pan for a while. |
| 00:13.12 | abrotman | really? |
| 00:13.19 | vladuz976 | karsten: who is we? |
| 00:13.19 | ribasushi | karsten: errr what is this iyhtays stuff? It is not listed at http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 00:13.20 | karsten | vladuz976: Do you want useful advice, or do you want to feel welcome? |
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| 00:13.34 | karsten | ribasushi: /msg dpkg |
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| 00:14.08 | karsten | vladuz976: You haven't pissed _me_ off yet, m just giving you straight advice. |
| 00:14.14 | karsten | s/m/I'm/ |
| 00:14.24 | abrotman | and you get to see his typing skills in action! |
| 00:14.32 | vladuz976 | karsten: true that. |
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| 00:14.58 | nozy | hi all |
| 00:15.09 | abrotman | vladuz976: things can break in unstable .. sometimes badly .. we'd like you to get some knowledge of debian and how it works before just jumping in |
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| 00:15.20 | ribasushi | karsten: I have been running sid on various dev machines since 2002, yet I still have to ask and google doesn't seem to know more than me |
| 00:15.27 | vladuz976 | i am considering a switch from archlinux due to lots of packages not being available. so i guess now it's time to read the f***ing manual |
| 00:15.33 | ribasushi | karsten: so what is it? :) |
| 00:15.50 | tuxx_ | n00bz |
| 00:15.53 | vladuz976 | abrotman: maybe it's testing what i want then |
| 00:15.53 | tuxx_ | thx for your help |
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| 00:16.05 | abrotman | vladuz976: we get a large number of people in here that somehow(they don't actually know how) get on unstable .. and then something blows up .. and they get a really bad opinion of debian because of their lack of ability to fix things like that |
| 00:16.33 | vladuz976 | abrotman: was reading this http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/article/debian_as_a_desktop_system?page=0%2C3 |
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| 00:16.42 | abrotman | vladuz976: you and azar :) |
| 00:16.44 | ribasushi | vladuz976: testing is what you want yes, it is composed from unstable when no new bugs are reported on individual packages for a certain period, so you are somewhat safe (but not completely afe :) |
| 00:16.50 | vladuz976 | he suggests to add unstable in his review |
| 00:17.15 | abrotman | vladuz976: and if you read the comments .. there are more knowledgeable people telling that he shouldn't suggest that |
| 00:17.25 | karsten | vladuz976: What is what? |
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| 00:17.35 | vladuz976 | abrotman: yeah just saw that that's why i popped in here to see what ppl think |
| 00:17.38 | abrotman | karsten: a review that someone shouldn't have done :) |
| 00:18.06 | karsten | vladuz976: My own preference is to run testing/unstable, pinned to testing, with the odd package (usually a bugfix) dragged in from unstable. |
| 00:18.13 | abrotman | vladuz976: i use etch on my laptop (my main home machine) .. works fine .. when i get time .. i'll go to lenny |
| 00:18.14 | regulate | what provides arm-linux-gcc |
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| 00:18.42 | karsten | vladuz976: http://www.debian.org/releases defines the different distro release levels. |
| 00:18.58 | vladuz976 | karsten: thanks |
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| 00:19.07 | KDan_ | what is the debian package name for the ubuntu equivalent: "libapache2-mod-security" ? Or is it included in apache2? |
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| 00:19.49 | vladuz976 | i understand debian has a package for tex-live replacing the old tetex. is that a full install or only the essential stuff? does anybody know? |
| 00:19.57 | karsten | !tell KDan_ about search |
| 00:20.12 | vladuz976 | archlinux is missing important packages like that, which is why i am considering switching |
| 00:20.14 | abrotman | vladuz976: etch still has tetex |
| 00:20.17 | karsten | vladuz976: NFC. Read teh package descriptions. |
| 00:20.20 | KDan_ | karsten: yes, i did a search |
| 00:20.25 | abrotman | !search |
| 00:20.26 | dpkg | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 00:20.26 | KDan_ | my etch server returns nada |
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| 00:20.39 | {-hmdl-} | hi guys |
| 00:20.49 | vladuz976 | well i dont' have debian installed yet |
| 00:20.58 | karsten | KDan_: Find a file w/in the ubuntu package and do an auto-apt search on that. |
| 00:20.59 | karsten | !auto-apt |
| 00:20.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, auto-apt is very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://www.debian.org/Packages/unstable/admin/auto-apt.html |
| 00:21.01 | {-hmdl-} | could anyone give me a simple hand configuring my static cable inet IP address? |
| 00:21.09 | karsten | vladuz976: http://packages.debian.org/<packagename> |
| 00:21.17 | KDan_ | cool |
| 00:21.20 | KDan_ | thanks karsten |
| 00:21.26 | karsten | {-hmdl-}: man interfaces |
| 00:21.29 | {-hmdl-} | I have already done: ifconfig IP netmask 255.255.255.255 up |
| 00:21.44 | {-hmdl-} | and I have done: route add default gw ip |
| 00:21.50 | vladuz976 | karsten: and how do i know the exact package name? i need to search |
| 00:21.51 | karsten | {-hmdl-}: Examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 00:22.02 | {-hmdl-} | but when I ping an Internet IP it still says Host unreachable |
| 00:22.08 | karsten | vladuz976: If you know it, fill it in. If not, p.d.o allows search as well. |
| 00:22.09 | {-hmdl-} | what am I doing wrong? |
| 00:22.10 | karsten | !search |
| 00:22.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 00:22.42 | karsten | {-hmdl-}: Dollars to doughnuts: no route. |
| 00:23.00 | {-hmdl-} | no route? but I did: route add default gw IP |
| 00:23.22 | vladuz976 | abrotman: but i guess i can get tex-live from testing |
| 00:23.31 | abrotman | you could |
| 00:24.19 | karsten | {-hmdl-}: Basic network troubleshooting drill: link light, media (cable/wifi), interface config, route, forwarding, DNS. |
| 00:24.28 | karsten | !network setup |
| 00:24.28 | dpkg | i heard network setup is Go read: Networking-[34]-HOWTO, then man ifconfig, man route, man interfaces. Then ask your question. |
| 00:24.34 | vladuz976 | looks like texlive is in stable |
| 00:24.46 | {-hmdl-} | karsten, its not DNS because im pinging directly to an IP |
| 00:24.51 | karsten | {-hmdl-}: Pastebin: ifconfig -a; route -n; ping -c 4 <gateway IP>; host www.google.com |
| 00:24.55 | karsten | !pastebin |
| 00:24.55 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 00:24.56 | abrotman | oh .. maybe tetex is dying .. |
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| 00:25.42 | {-hmdl-} | karsten, the gateway would be different than my static IP' |
| 00:25.42 | {-hmdl-} | ? |
| 00:25.42 | {-hmdl-} | or should be the same as my IP address? |
| 00:25.42 | karsten | {-hmdl-}: Correct. |
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| 00:25.43 | karsten | {-hmdl-}: The gateway is the *remote* host that gateways your traffic. |
| 00:25.43 | {-hmdl-} | I wonder why its not working then |
| 00:25.46 | karsten | {-hmdl-}: Dollars to doughnuts: no route. |
| 00:25.48 | {-hmdl-} | its my IP? |
| 00:26.02 | karsten | {-hmdl-}: Trouble reading w/ comprehension? |
| 00:26.16 | {-hmdl-} | calm down karma_ |
| 00:26.21 | karsten | {-hmdl-}: Should be *different* was the "correct". |
| 00:26.23 | {-hmdl-} | calm down karsten , im just asking |
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| 00:26.37 | {-hmdl-} | I have to ask my ISP whats my gateway? |
| 00:26.45 | {-hmdl-} | its a static IP that I bought |
| 00:26.58 | karsten | {-hmdl-}: How are you aquiring your IP? DHCP or static? If static, yes, ask. |
| 00:27.10 | karsten | Odds are it's low or high on the network segemment, but it could be anywhere. |
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| 00:27.34 | karsten | eg: .1 or .254 on a /24 |
| 00:28.22 | vladuz976 | the number of packages available is just amazing compared to archlinux. do you guys ever have to compile from source ? |
| 00:28.33 | karsten | vladuz976: Rarely, but sometimes. |
| 00:28.43 | karsten | vladuz976: I did it for rdesktop to fix a bug, one-line code fix. |
| 00:28.44 | cafuego | Not many ISps hand out a /24 though. |
| 00:28.51 | karsten | cafuego: Point. |
| 00:28.57 | karsten | cafuego: That was an example. |
| 00:28.58 | cafuego | not to people who don't know how to find out a GW ip o hope, anyway |
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| 00:29.18 | karsten | cafuego: No comment. |
| 00:29.42 | cafuego | karsten: You're right, I fotgot mcse's ;-) |
| 00:30.31 | karsten | cafuego: Many Can't Sort Ethernet. |
| 00:30.36 | abrotman | vladuz976: what's compile ? |
| 00:30.47 | cafuego | crap |
| 00:30.49 | vladuz976 | is there a way i can compare what packages are in stable as to what's in testing? |
| 00:30.54 | abrotman | packages.debian.org |
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| 00:31.03 | vladuz976 | abrotman: what do you mean? did I misspell? |
| 00:31.03 | karsten | vladuz976: compare the packages files. |
| 00:31.12 | abrotman | vladuz976: i was joking |
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| 00:31.23 | vladuz976 | abrotman: sorry didn't get it |
| 00:31.29 | abrotman | vladuz976: find the name of the package you want to see .. and packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 00:31.30 | cafuego | the problem with wireless hid devices... |
| 00:31.37 | vladuz976 | abrotman: i guess you don't compile very often lol |
| 00:31.39 | karsten | vladuz976: abrotman's saying he doesn't know what compiling it, tongue-in-cheek. |
| 00:31.56 | vladuz976 | karsten: i know i just didn't pay attention |
| 00:31.58 | karsten | abrotman: You're masochistic. |
| 00:32.05 | vladuz976 | karsten: thanks tho |
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| 00:32.23 | abrotman | karsten: i tried to use OSX .. i failed .. i can't be that much of a masochist |
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| 00:33.08 | karsten | abrotman: I failed faster than you. |
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| 00:33.35 | abrotman | karsten: i just wanted the mac mini .. osx is hard! |
| 00:33.45 | abrotman | (getting the mini to output the tv is hard too ) |
| 00:33.50 | abrotman | to the tv |
| 00:34.05 | timthelion | hey, I have two modes on my laptop, toggled by an fn key, one outputs to an external monitor, and the other outputs to the built in screen. I can toggle this while x is running and set the resolutions correctly with xrandr, but it seems I have to restart X in order to have things display correctly. if I start up X outputing to the built in screen and then switch to external, everything is off to the top left, so that the top |
| 00:34.05 | timthelion | corner of the screen is cut off, and the bottom left corner on the screen is black. if I start X on the external, and then switch to the internal, everything is wavy and costantly moving. obviosly this is not what I want, how do I get things to display correctly? it seems that there is a modual called vbe that runs on x startup to configure the monitors. is it possible to run this a second time, after X startup? is that what I |
| 00:34.05 | timthelion | so how do I do that? |
| 00:34.13 | karsten | abrotman: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2006/06/01/switching-back.html?page=4 (kms-werk) |
| 00:34.38 | {-hmdl-} | karsten, I got the correct gw now |
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| 00:34.58 | {-hmdl-} | when I do route add default gw 200.123.129.182 it says: |
| 00:35.04 | {-hmdl-} | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 00:35.11 | karsten | timthelion: What happens if you auto-adjust your display? |
| 00:35.25 | karsten | {-hmdl-}: No NIC driver loaded. 'lsmod' and check for your driver. |
| 00:35.53 | karsten | timthelion: Sounds like your monitor's getting confused about modes. I find an auto-adjust usually sorts that. |
| 00:36.07 | timthelion | karsten: I don't seem to have that command. let me search aptitude |
| 00:36.39 | vladuz976 | packages usually stay in unstable for quite a while or things move quickly? i know it depends on the feedback of testers but on average? |
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| 00:36.40 | purplepenguins | it sucks when one of your friends switches to Linux |
| 00:36.43 | purplepenguins | and can't get it to work |
| 00:36.44 | abrotman | vladuz976: depends on the package and the bugs |
| 00:36.47 | karsten | timthelion: It should be a monitor setting, not a Linux command. |
| 00:36.52 | dvs | purplepenguins: and they call you? |
| 00:36.58 | karsten | purplepenguins: Is there a question in there somewhere? |
| 00:37.05 | vladuz976 | abrotman: some of the packages i'd like are still in unstable |
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| 00:37.15 | karsten | vladuz976: Most of unstable is in testing. |
| 00:37.16 | timthelion | karsten: oh, that, I tried that to no avail |
| 00:37.16 | vladuz976 | abrotman: was checking on gnuplot for instance |
| 00:37.29 | abrotman | vladuz976: they'll get into testing eventually |
| 00:37.39 | karsten | vladuz976: etch was just released and is pretty new. Try that for a month or two if you've already got good Linux experience, then upgrade to testing. |
| 00:37.40 | dvs | karsten: yeah, after that torrent a few days ago |
| 00:37.43 | karsten | timthelion: :-( |
| 00:37.45 | timthelion | karsten: though I do not have that on the laptop, I do have re-adjust on the monitor, through the menu system gotten with the keypad |
| 00:38.03 | purplepenguins | No, it wasn't a question, since it's Ubuntu |
| 00:38.06 | karsten | timthelion: OK. |
| 00:38.08 | purplepenguins | Just saying |
| 00:38.29 | vladuz976 | karsten: yeah i guess i'll do that for now. just have to graduate university first |
| 00:38.42 | vladuz976 | then i have more time to rtfm |
| 00:39.02 | karsten | Just saying. |
| 00:39.07 | dvs | karsten: hold a Greek wedding |
| 00:39.22 | cafuego | a small skinny one |
| 00:39.31 | stew | when i had roommates that wouldn't clean their dishes, i would just start piling them up on their beds |
| 00:39.38 | karsten | dvs: ? |
| 00:39.41 | abrotman | stew: i'd just throw them out :) |
| 00:39.44 | karsten | cafuego: No! |
| 00:39.49 | stew | abrotman: generally they were my dishes |
| 00:39.59 | stew | abrotman: or do you mean the roomates |
| 00:40.03 | dvs | karsten: aka smash the dishes |
| 00:40.03 | abrotman | both! |
| 00:40.12 | karsten | dvs: Hrm. |
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| 00:40.40 | abrotman | stew: though i once advocated a friend should put a raw steak under a housemates bed .. just because they didn't like her |
| 00:40.55 | karsten | abrotman: Waste of a good steak. |
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| 00:41.01 | karsten | abrotman: Find some roadkill somewhere. |
| 00:41.10 | abrotman | karsten: and the room was wasted because they didn't like her .. |
| 00:41.26 | abrotman | karsten: you're like every other comment in that story! |
| 00:41.31 | karsten | abrotman: Now if _she_ was wasted maybe they'd like her better. |
| 00:41.43 | abrotman | they called her the troll |
| 00:41.58 | mmlj4 | when does /etc/rc.local get executed? before or after the network comes up? |
| 00:42.25 | karsten | mmlj4: ls /etc/rc2.d/*rc.local |
| 00:42.27 | abrotman | stew: i went biking with a friend last week .. she tried to pass when there were others oncoming .. they yelled at her .. i thikn she's scared of the trail now |
| 00:42.31 | dvs | abrotman: I might have met her. ;-) |
| 00:42.40 | stew | mmlj4: last, after networking |
| 00:42.56 | mmlj4 | stew: that'd be great |
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| 00:43.21 | abrotman | dvs: she was mad at them for yelling at her .. i was mad at her for not realizing the obvious that i was slowing down for a reason |
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| 00:43.31 | stew | mmlj4: though if there is something you want to run after networking you should probably be using an 'up' lin in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 00:43.33 | dvs | heh |
| 00:43.39 | abrotman | dvs: and that she wouldn't accept she'd made a mistake |
| 00:43.58 | dvs | abrotman: that's the worst! I HATE when people do that |
| 00:44.10 | abrotman | dvs: and it's worse IRL! :) |
| 00:44.38 | dvs | karsten: stop repeating!!!! |
| 00:45.31 | parsonsd | is there a convenient way to upgrade from woody to etch? i've tried an apt-get dist-upgrade, but i keep getting foiled by dependancies. i'm just now getting a -f install, but is that sufficient to do a dist-upgrade? |
| 00:45.54 | karsten | !woody->etch |
| 00:45.54 | dpkg | somebody said woody->etch was first ask me about woody->sarge, then sarge->etch ; you must not try to skip sarge. skipping releases is not supported by debian. |
| 00:46.12 | abrotman | skipping is bad! |
| 00:46.25 | karsten | parsonsd: If you've already started the process, you're likely in a bit of upgrade hell. |
| 00:46.27 | stew | and apt-get is not supported for either woody->sarge or sarge->etch |
| 00:46.38 | karsten | stew: ?? |
| 00:46.47 | abrotman | he's telling you to use aptitude! |
| 00:46.48 | stew | karsten: yes? |
| 00:47.11 | dondelelcaro | apt-get works, but it's not recommended. |
| 00:47.12 | karsten | stew: I do! |
| 00:47.13 | stew | release notes for both specifically said to use aptitude and not apt-get |
| 00:47.19 | abrotman | (though i did use apt-get for woody->sarge and sarge->etch) |
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| 00:49.16 | mmlj4 | aptitude? |
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| 00:49.18 | parsonsd | karsten : thanks. it won't do a -f install anyway; plops out on e2fsprogs. |
| 00:49.25 | mmlj4 | gr... how do I query the bot? |
| 00:49.36 | karsten | mmlj4: /msg dpkg |
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| 00:49.39 | stew | mmlj4: /msg dpkg whatever |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 00:49.49 | dpkg | hmm... e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian etch or sid which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:49.50 | karsten | mmlj4: eg: /msg dpkg help |
| 00:49.54 | mmlj4 | danke |
| 00:50.06 | karsten | bitte |
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| 00:51.22 | karsten | Does it matter what name is given an openssl PEM cert file? |
| 00:51.39 | dondelelcaro | karsten: depends on the application, but generally not |
| 00:51.57 | karsten | dondelelcaro: openssl. I'm creating /usr/local/share/ca-certs/ |
| 00:52.04 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ... and parking corporate certs in there. |
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| 00:53.25 | dondelelcaro | karsten: should be fine |
| 00:53.48 | dondelelcaro | usually they're named foo.crt, though. |
| 00:54.39 | dondelelcaro | and you may have better use installing something into the ca-certificate tree and using update-ca-certificates or similar. |
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| 00:58.42 | nhuisman_work | $9000 to spend in 2 days |
| 00:58.44 | nhuisman_work | what do you spend it on |
| 00:58.49 | nhuisman_work | computer, work related. |
| 00:58.53 | nhuisman_work | in $2500 increments |
| 00:58.55 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:59.05 | nhuisman_work | heh |
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| 00:59.17 | dondelelcaro | you spend it on computers, of course. |
| 00:59.25 | nhuisman_work | yeah i don't need any |
| 00:59.30 | abrotman | buy half a Sun box ? |
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| 00:59.48 | nhuisman_work | i'd rather buy a cheaper box then sun |
| 00:59.54 | abrotman | weirdo |
| 01:00.03 | nhuisman_work | sun rape you |
| 01:00.19 | abrotman | you're the one that can't figure out what to do with 9k .. what do you care |
| 01:00.25 | nhuisman_work | heh |
| 01:00.34 | nhuisman_work | i don't really need more servers |
| 01:00.41 | abrotman | why are you asking us? |
| 01:00.45 | nhuisman_work | virtualizing my services with xen so two boxes I already have will cover them |
| 01:00.47 | abrotman | oh i know .. you can donate it to Debian! |
| 01:00.53 | nhuisman_work | i wish |
| 01:00.58 | abrotman | then stop asking us :) |
| 01:01.14 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Hrm. I ran a 'c_rehash'... |
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| 01:05.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes .. sauerbraten works just fine |
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| 01:06.45 | kireer | anyone had some problem with cloop in kernel 2.6.20? |
| 01:06.58 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Hrm, update-ca-certificates doesn't seem to pick that up. |
| 01:07.53 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OK, dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates. |
| 01:08.00 | karsten | I've now got 'local/' as a subdir. |
| 01:08.22 | karsten | unimatrix: Have you seen anyone? |
| 01:08.45 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ... but it's still untrusted. |
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| 01:09.25 | unimatrix | karsten: anyone is just another linked nick of me |
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| 01:11.08 | dondelelcaro | karsten: hrm; untrusted where? |
| 01:11.25 | karsten | dondelelcaro: fetchmail: Server certificate verification error: unable to get local issuer certificate |
| 01:11.39 | abrotman | karsten: weren't you complaining about that earlier ? |
| 01:11.41 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I *think* I've updated the right cert but I'm not sure. |
| 01:11.45 | karsten | abrotman: Yesterday, yeah. |
| 01:11.52 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:12.41 | dondelelcaro | karsten: and the cert is symlinked from /etc/ssl/certs? |
| 01:13.20 | karsten | dondelelcaro: *A* cert is now on that tree. I'm not sure it's the right one. |
| 01:13.31 | karsten | dondelelcaro: SSL's another of those weird black boxes to me. |
| 01:13.39 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Mysterious and shit. Sexy that. |
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| 01:14.23 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I can run: echo -e "\r\n" | openssl s_client -connect <mailserver>:993 |
| 01:14.52 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ... and get a bunch of info on the cert. Including who the issuer is. I'm not sure how to translate that into "get the relevant issuer cert here". I'm writing out security folks now. |
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| 01:17.11 | chapiu1 | so I went to download a debian cd... and there are 21 CD's! Do I really need to download all of those? |
| 01:17.18 | abrotman | !d-i chap |
| 01:17.18 | dpkg | chap, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:17.19 | abrotman | !d-i chapiu1 |
| 01:17.20 | dpkg | chapiu1, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:17.24 | chapiu1 | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:17.33 | abrotman | about 150MB iso .. |
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| 01:19.08 | chapiu1 | abrotman: that actually was the page I was looking at |
| 01:19.14 | atealtha | added alsa modules, set the alsa mixer right, yet sound is still not coming out (checked all wires). It was working yesterday why not today? |
| 01:19.16 | chapiu1 | if you click on the torrent links there are tons |
| 01:19.27 | abrotman | chapiu1: sure .. but you can just get the netinst image |
| 01:19.33 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 01:19.34 | dpkg | methinks alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 01:20.13 | bpun | abrotman, i tried adding topic for dpkg-- and couldn't.. |
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| 01:21.03 | atealtha | abrotman: now that was easy. thanks! |
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| 01:21.18 | abrotman | does it work ? |
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| 01:22.03 | atealtha | abrotman: yup |
| 01:22.07 | atealtha | after step one |
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| 01:23.10 | abrotman | good :) |
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| 01:24.47 | stew | RichiH: LoRez: ^^ |
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| 01:36.28 | sandman | Don't a lot of Debian packages come pre-prelinked? |
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| 01:38.47 | dondelelcaro | sandman: no, we don't do prelinking as a rule |
| 01:39.19 | dondelelcaro | the performance benifits to it are not exactly clear, and the issues it causes when it fails are quite vexing. |
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| 01:56.33 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:56.34 | dpkg | i heard qotd142 is <greycat> BIG FUCKING HUGE MISTAKE telling me you have gcc 4.0 and that you can't fucking read the FAQ. |
| 01:57.51 | asg | abrotman: don't remember that one |
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| 01:58.06 | abrotman | me neither |
| 01:58.17 | abrotman | !factinfo qotd142 |
| 01:58.18 | dpkg | qotd142 -- created by abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> at Tue Aug 30 00:34:44 2005 (645 days); it has been requested 42 times, last by abrotman, 1m 44s ago. |
| 01:58.28 | abrotman | whoa ... |
| 01:58.31 | asg | abrotman: haha |
| 01:58.53 | abrotman | i so don't remember |
| 01:58.53 | asg | abrotman: it wasn't in my last qotd fortune compilation either ... hmmm |
| 01:59.01 | abrotman | weird weird |
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| 01:59.16 | asg | abrotman: or dondelelcaro is playing silly buggers with us |
| 01:59.29 | abrotman | yes! .. that's it |
| 01:59.43 | asg | capital |
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| 02:02.25 | asg | abrotman: enjoy the game, talk later |
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| 02:02.35 | abrotman | ttyl!!! |
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| 02:04.04 | Toyd | hello |
| 02:04.09 | Toyd | anyone here |
| 02:04.18 | Guerin | no |
| 02:04.21 | Toyd | where can i obtain the debian live cd/dvd ? |
| 02:04.37 | Guerin | debian doesn't release a livecd |
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| 02:04.46 | Toyd | Ok i see |
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| 02:04.53 | Guerin | there is an unofficial one, but I don't know where it's at - google will find it |
| 02:04.55 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 02:04.56 | dpkg | methinks livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 02:05.04 | dob1 | hi, can someone explain me this output of chkrootkit? http://paste.debian.net/29723 |
| 02:05.18 | Toyd | ok ty abrotman |
| 02:05.34 | Toyd | ok ty abrotman |
| 02:05.39 | Matt_O | has anyone got ipsec in tunneling mode working on debian? I think I'm pretty close but tcpdump shows that I'm sending both ESP packets _and_ regular packets... think maybe my routing is messed up or something |
| 02:05.55 | abrotman | Toyd: got it .. you're welcome :) |
| 02:06.14 | dob1 | these files are empty, so i don't know why it warning for them |
| 02:06.18 | Guerin | dob1: it's identified those files as potentially suspicious |
| 02:06.28 | Guerin | dob1: now you get to figure out if it's being too paranoid |
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| 02:07.09 | dob1 | Guerin: ok but i didn't create these files, so everyone with icewasel etc have that warning? |
| 02:07.27 | Guerin | dob1: google will soon tell you |
| 02:07.35 | Guerin | at least it's better than http://feayn.org/~lewis/chkrootkit.png |
| 02:08.05 | dob1 | Guerin: to not run chkrootkit? |
| 02:08.15 | Guerin | eh? |
| 02:08.31 | dob1 | Guerin: what do you mean with the picture? |
| 02:08.38 | Guerin | dob1: it's funny, laugh. |
| 02:08.50 | dob1 | oh :) |
| 02:12.38 | jelly-home | dob1: it found dotfiles in unusual places. they might be harmful, or they might be normal - it's up to you to figure it out. files in /usr should probably belong to a package (verify it). files on an ramdisk (tmpfs) like /lib/init/rw, might just be normal usage from some system service |
| 02:13.40 | dob1 | jelly-home: thanks |
| 02:13.42 | jelly-home | Guerin: so, did you answer yes or no. |
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| 02:16.57 | Dewi | are email received headers always in reverse chronological order? |
| 02:17.06 | Guerin | jelly-home: i followed the law of WIDHE |
| 02:17.29 | jelly-home | and now _I_ have to google. grrr. |
| 02:17.35 | Guerin | !widhe |
| 02:17.35 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 02:17.39 | Guerin | ;) |
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| 02:18.02 | jelly-home | google doesn't say so... "No definitions were found for widhe." |
| 02:18.03 | homecable | whats the best way to setup a nat |
| 02:18.12 | Guerin | homecable: aptitude install ipmasq |
| 02:18.13 | homecable | dpkg nat |
| 02:18.14 | dpkg | methinks nat is Network Address Translation. See also ipmasq, or patented by CISCO, or ip-masq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. see also 'netfilter docs', or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 |
| 02:18.47 | Dewi | is there a channel on freenode where people discuss email / spam issues? |
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| 02:19.05 | Dewi | or just general network stuff? |
| 02:19.21 | Guerin | Dewi: #networking, maybe. I dunno. |
| 02:19.33 | abrotman | Dewi: your SMTP server channel maybe ? |
| 02:19.48 | Dewi | abrotman: this isn't about my server ( I hope) |
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| 02:19.59 | abrotman | it's always about you! |
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| 02:20.11 | peterS | you never know, maybe your server is the one sending all our spam |
| 02:20.21 | abrotman | bastard! |
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| 02:20.57 | homecable | whats the best way to load a nat script ? |
| 02:21.20 | Guerin | homecable: i already told you what to do. if you don't plan on following advice, why are you asking? |
| 02:21.25 | peterS | Guerin: we need to greylist him. that is, refuse to answer his question until he asks it with exactly the same wording twice after a period of at least 30 minutes |
| 02:21.39 | Dewi | peterS: hahahaha. we do that anyway |
| 02:21.41 | Guerin | peterS: and if he tries again too soon, the clock resets |
| 02:21.45 | peterS | right |
| 02:21.53 | karsten | peterS: I thought that *was* the plan. |
| 02:22.01 | Dewi | anyway, this spam sample says: |
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| 02:22.06 | Dewi | Received: from ME by hotmail |
| 02:22.09 | Dewi | Received: from spammer by hotmail |
| 02:22.09 | homecable | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ipmasq" |
| 02:22.10 | jelly-home | pawn to g4 *hits the clock* |
| 02:22.37 | Dewi | it only makes sense if hotmail added its received header second to top |
| 02:22.40 | Dewi | instead of to the top |
| 02:22.40 | Guerin | homecable: then you're probably not using debian. |
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| 02:22.40 | peterS | jelly-home: g4? somehow I still prefer the old numbering, qn4 or whatever |
| 02:22.55 | jelly-home | peterS: I don't play. ;-) |
| 02:23.48 | peterS | neither do I, but when I do happen to read about chess... |
| 02:23.48 | homecable | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 02:23.48 | homecable | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.48 | homecable | 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 02:23.48 | homecable | Need to get 16.2MB of archives. |
| 02:23.48 | homecable | After unpacking 1835kB disk space will be freed. |
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| 02:23.48 | homecable | see |
| 02:23.48 | Guerin | homecable: WTF is your malfunction? |
| 02:23.48 | homecable | i dont know |
| 02:23.49 | abrotman | bad nick! |
| 02:23.49 | Guerin | homecable: that has nothing to do with ipmasq. |
| 02:23.57 | peterS | homecable: I guess pasting install messages from linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 isn't the best way to set up NAT after all |
| 02:24.03 | homecable | showing you i'm using debian |
| 02:24.14 | Guerin | homecable: all that shows me is that you're using something with apt |
| 02:24.25 | Guerin | homecable: what branch of debian? |
| 02:24.54 | homecable | etch |
| 02:25.01 | Guerin | !info ipmasq etch |
| 02:25.04 | dpkg | ipmasq: (securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling), section net, is extra. Version: 4.0.8-2 (etch), Packaged size: 78 kB, Installed size: 612 kB |
| 02:25.16 | Guerin | homecable: still confused? |
| 02:25.37 | homecable | hold on |
| 02:25.45 | jelly-home | securely what now? I thought masquerading was one iptables line. |
| 02:26.05 | Guerin | jelly-home: it is, but ipmasq is actually an overall iptables framework |
| 02:26.07 | karsten | homecable: It's possible your sources.list is isconfigured, your packages files are missing something, and/or you're using a bad mirror, maybe. |
| 02:26.20 | Guerin | a bunch of scripts and shit which, bey default, don't do much other than nat |
| 02:26.26 | homecable | can i paste |
| 02:26.31 | karsten | !paster |
| 02:26.32 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:26.52 | karsten | http://osdir.com/ml/mail.fetchmail.user/2004-10/msg00027.html |
| 02:27.09 | karsten | ... shows the appropriate fetchmailrc options, following "defaults:" |
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| 02:27.30 | homecable | http://paste.debian.net/29725 |
| 02:27.59 | homecable | brb need to reboot |
| 02:28.04 | karsten | homecable: wait |
| 02:28.08 | karsten | feh. |
| 02:28.30 | karsten | He's got nothing but "security" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:28.32 | abrotman | karsten: you seriously need a new keyboard :) |
| 02:28.40 | karsten | abrotman: ? |
| 02:28.48 | abrotman | rces.list is isconfigured, |
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| 02:29.05 | karsten | Yeah, yeah. |
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| 02:29.19 | karsten | I've got a crap IBM keyboard here, the keys are all jammy like. |
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| 02:29.40 | ubernewb | hellow, i'm having trouble w/ gdm.. i uninstalled it and am presently using kdm but i'd like to use gdm |
| 02:30.00 | ubernewb | i get my nvidia logo and the wheels spin at the gdm graphical login |
| 02:30.18 | kelt_ | I'm trying to install NDISwrapper and I get an error telling me I need to recompile my kernel to disable CONFIG_4KSTACKS |
| 02:30.26 | karsten | ubernewb: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 02:30.31 | kelt_ | how can I disable that? |
| 02:30.31 | ubernewb | i did this |
| 02:30.37 | ubernewb | and dpkg-reconfigure didn't help me out |
| 02:30.46 | karsten | !ndiswrapper |
| 02:30.46 | dpkg | it has been said that ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
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| 02:31.00 | jelly-home | kelt_: um, recompile the kernel and disable that option? |
| 02:31.05 | karsten | ubernewb: aptitude remove dkm |
| 02:31.07 | homecable | http://paste.debian.net/29725 |
| 02:31.11 | karsten | s/dkm/kdm/ |
| 02:31.20 | karsten | homecable: Your /etc/apt/sources list *is* misconfigured. |
| 02:31.21 | ubernewb | kdm is gone |
| 02:31.31 | karsten | homecable: You've only got security in there. |
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| 02:31.46 | Guerin | whiskey tango foxtrot |
| 02:31.52 | kelt_ | how do you recompile the kernel and disable that option |
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| 02:32.03 | jelly-home | uhhh |
| 02:32.18 | Guerin | kelt_: why did you build that in ITFP? |
| 02:32.23 | karsten | !make-pkg |
| 02:32.27 | homecable | karsten how i fix it |
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| 02:32.41 | karsten | !make kpkg |
| 02:32.47 | karsten | !make-kpkg |
| 02:32.47 | dpkg | [make-kpkg] the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 02:32.51 | karsten | !fix my keyboard |
| 02:32.55 | ubernewb | i'm looking over the /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf and i'm looking for some obvious offense... but i don't see one |
| 02:33.05 | karsten | kelt_: Deselect the option in kernel config. |
| 02:34.05 | homecable | karsten what should i have in there |
| 02:34.17 | karsten | homecable: sec. |
| 02:34.25 | kelt_ | karsten: kernel config? |
| 02:34.41 | Guerin | kelt_: if you don't know what this is,m you're not ready for ndiscrapper |
| 02:34.54 | jelly-home | homecable: something like /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 02:35.00 | kelt_ | Guerin: what is ITFP?" |
| 02:35.04 | Guerin | !itfp |
| 02:35.04 | dpkg | i guess itfp is In The First Place |
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| 02:35.34 | kelt_ | karsten: the card is a Microsoft MN-120 100Mbps PCMCIA ethernet card |
| 02:35.45 | Guerin | WTF |
| 02:35.53 | Guerin | kelt_: not a wireless card? |
| 02:36.00 | kelt_ | no Guerin |
| 02:36.01 | jelly-home | haha, is it really an Microsoft branded card? |
| 02:36.09 | karsten | homecable: http://paste.debian.net/29726 |
| 02:36.21 | Guerin | kelt_: here's a nickel, kid, go buy yourself a real NIC |
| 02:36.29 | Guerin | kelt_: hit that piece of shite with a hammer |
| 02:36.37 | karsten | kelt_: I don't use ndiswrapper. If you can't sort building a kernel maybe you should insist on supported HW. |
| 02:36.41 | jelly-home | kelt_: usually pcmcia card work of you find the right driver |
| 02:38.22 | kelt_ | I just did an install from the cd... there was no options for disabling CONFIG_4STACKS |
| 02:38.49 | Guerin | kelt_: ok... what part of `Microsoft' makes you think it will work in linux? |
| 02:38.57 | Guerin | get another network card |
| 02:39.01 | Guerin | it's that simple |
| 02:39.11 | Guerin | practically any other card will work |
| 02:40.11 | peterS | Guerin: now now. microsoft keyboards and mice are supported very well in Debian |
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| 02:40.22 | kelt_ | Guerin: the card will work |
| 02:40.30 | karsten | kelt_: Then prove it. |
| 02:40.44 | Guerin | then we need to filter his question against a bayes database, an |
| 02:40.48 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:40.56 | Guerin | blast from the past |
| 02:41.02 | homecable | hey |
| 02:41.05 | jelly-home | peterS: it's somewhat indicative that googling for Microsoft MN-120 lspci returns two (2) results |
| 02:41.33 | homecable | what debs do i need |
| 02:41.45 | Guerin | homecable: apt-get install clue |
| 02:41.54 | jelly-home | (lspci is a much better term than linux when looking for hw compatibilty ;-) |
| 02:42.10 | Guerin | kelt_: unless your time is worthlerss, go and buy another card. |
| 02:43.35 | peterS | jelly-home: PCI ID 1414:0001? 000 freaking 1? I know they're not really a hardware company but surely they've produced more hardware than _that_ |
| 02:43.46 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:44.03 | Dewi | anyone who wants to solve an email spam mystery, see here: http://pastebin.ca/543459 |
| 02:44.19 | Dewi | basically a common enough gag, but how did they get hotmail to add a received header in the wrong place? |
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| 02:45.39 | karsten | Dewi: Is that full headers? |
| 02:45.53 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: you can put almost anything into Received: headers, so it's not that big of a deal |
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| 02:46.14 | Dewi | I'm officially confused. Either hotmail has some bug with those headers, or 1) I've been hacked, 2) hotmail's clock is wrong, 3) somebody other than the spammer is failing to record a Received header |
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| 02:46.17 | karsten | Dewi: bay*.hotmail.com is a pretty badly managed part of hotmail, or was as of late 2005/early 2006. I actually worked with them for a bit to get that cleaned up. |
| 02:46.22 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: why would hotmail? |
| 02:46.39 | karsten | Dewi: Post the full unedited, unexpurgated headers. |
| 02:46.43 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it's not that hotmail would, it's that whatever sent mail into hotmail would |
| 02:46.51 | karsten | Dewi: ... and realize that anyone can call themselves hotmail.com |
| 02:47.05 | Dewi | karsten: the guy complaining to me is using hotmail.com |
| 02:47.24 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: my point is that the final header recorded by hotmail is wrong |
| 02:47.30 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: is the ip address right? |
| 02:47.38 | Dewi | unless the guy actually sending me the spam complaint is an attacker? |
| 02:47.49 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: the first bit is the domain name that the machine claims to be; the ip is the actual address. |
| 02:48.08 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: the "by" part doesn't have an IP address |
| 02:48.27 | karsten | Dewi: The "by" bit is pretty much utterly untrusted. |
| 02:48.30 | Dewi | the "From" name and IP are indeed me |
| 02:48.38 | karsten | Dewi: I'd say you don't have enough data to say. |
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| 02:48.57 | Dewi | karsten: so... hotmail adds a Received header and puts incorrect "by" info in there? |
| 02:49.05 | karsten | Dewi: I'd say you don't have enough data to say. |
| 02:49.08 | Dewi | surely that's not derived info |
| 02:49.25 | karsten | Dewi: You're going by second-hand data and partial headers and I don't have time to look and it's not my problem. |
| 02:49.30 | Dewi | karsten: obviously any analysis has to be based upon the idea that I can trust hotmail and its user who sent the complaint |
| 02:49.42 | Dewi | karsten: all data is second hand, unless I'm the victim of the attack |
| 02:49.45 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: no, it's quite possible that it's puting the Received: headers in the wrong order, but it's impossible to tell without looking at the mail logs in question |
| 02:49.51 | karsten | Dewi: And that user to send you full headers, which he didn't. |
| 02:50.01 | Dewi | karsten: he did |
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| 02:50.15 | Dewi | karsten: I just haven't given you the unedited copy you asked for |
| 02:50.53 | Dewi | well, sorry for not having access to hotmail's logs... |
| 02:51.03 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: in this case, it's most likely that the actual spammer is at 86.219.161.137, and hotmail or the user is juggling the Received: headers |
| 02:51.20 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: that's what I think too |
| 02:51.39 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: a lot more stuff would have to go awry to explain it any other way... but is this received header juggling common? |
| 02:51.42 | Dewi | I've never seen it before |
| 02:51.43 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: since it's not possible for mail to jump from hotmail to your MUA, one or both of them is incorrect, and can't be trusted |
| 02:51.58 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: the user could have easily mispasted, or juggled them to make it seem like you sent it |
| 02:52.24 | dondelelcaro | Received: after all is just informative, and is usually used to avoid mail loops |
| 02:52.46 | homecable | hey |
| 02:52.57 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: it's also the only way to establish the source of spam |
| 02:52.57 | homecable | i just install ipmasq |
| 02:53.04 | homecable | and i'm down ? |
| 02:53.07 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: and if the order is wrong, on a major mail provider, that's... bad |
| 02:53.30 | homecable | how do i dmz all ports to my server using iptables or what ever |
| 02:53.33 | homecable | brb |
| 02:53.45 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: I have no idea if the order is wrong on hotmail; it's far more likely that the user or the user's MUA is screwing them up |
| 02:54.10 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I guess. Most users don't even know those headers are there though. |
| 02:54.25 | Dewi | it's just "an attachment" |
| 02:54.30 | Dewi | anyway, it's the best explanation |
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| 02:55.13 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: well, it's most likely comming from the 86 person, but why is this person contacting you anyway? Surely they've heard of joejobs? |
| 02:55.38 | peterS | if anyone has a line into the hotmail people, please tell them to add '; charset=windows-1252' to the Content-Type line when appropriate, and maybe even consider using quoted-printable instead of bare 8bit mail bodies. thanks. |
| 02:56.02 | karsten | peterS: That would be Pablo Stein IIRC. |
| 02:56.43 | peterS | I don't know whether it actually shocked me that one of the world's largest email providers still gets basic stuff like this wrong ... but they really should know better |
| 02:56.47 | sanmarcos | Hi, I am trying to make a .deb package for my application. I have a CHANGELOG file on the root of my app and a debian/changelog. In my rules file (http://en.pastebin.ca/543488) I call dh_installchangelogs CHANGELOG, however, at the end of debuild, lintian says: itaka: changelog-file-not-compressed CHANGELOG (and the same for changelog and changelog.Debian), any ideas? |
| 02:56.53 | karsten | Pablo Stern. Got his cell if you'd like it. |
| 02:57.25 | peterS | heh. I don't know that asking for that sort of feature would be effective, given that it should have been obvious to them 10 years ago and apparently wasn't |
| 02:57.26 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: the people are contacting me because they are receiving spam with my email address and my content |
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| 02:57.39 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: and with a top received header indicating my server |
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| 02:58.06 | homecable | back |
| 02:58.08 | homecable | how do i dmz all ports to my server using iptables or what ever |
| 02:58.16 | karsten | peterS: I actually found them to be pretty reasonable to talk to. |
| 02:58.35 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: assuming this message arrived at hotmail directly from a french hacked account, literally the only thing in the entire payload you should be able to trust is that final "Received" header. In theory. |
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| 02:59.30 | karsten | Dewi: There you're right. |
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| 02:59.48 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: attackers love faking our addresses, and this is the second time I've seen this particular trick. Except the juggled headers part is new. |
| 02:59.49 | karsten | Dewi: Only trust your own ISP's headers. |
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| 03:00.15 | karsten | Dewi: Fundamentally: hotmail's fault for accepting spam in the first place. |
| 03:00.23 | Dewi | karsten: great in theory, but I'm a support/admin |
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| 03:00.39 | Dewi | fielding complaints is part of my job |
| 03:00.47 | Dewi | particularly since ignored complaints get us blacklisted |
| 03:01.22 | helfrez | hardcoding usb drive by-id via fstab but getting dup icons on gnome desktop any suggestions? |
| 03:02.31 | homecable | can anyone help me with a iptable script ? |
| 03:02.54 | homecable | dpkg firewall |
| 03:02.54 | dpkg | firewall is probably a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
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| 03:03.05 | homecable | dpkg nat |
| 03:03.05 | dpkg | i guess nat is Network Address Translation. See also ipmasq, or patented by CISCO, or ip-masq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. see also 'netfilter docs', or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 |
| 03:03.19 | karsten | Dewi: Your problem is limited to noting that your systems didn't originate / send the spam in question. |
| 03:03.29 | karsten | !tell homecable about ask |
| 03:03.33 | karsten | !tell homecable about repeat |
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| 03:04.02 | homecable | sorry |
| 03:04.03 | karsten | homecable: Firewalls are prickly and complex. Your best bet is to read a good HOWTO and/or use a front-end tool such as shorewall or firestarter. |
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| 03:04.12 | karsten | homecable: And /msg the bots |
| 03:04.29 | Dewi | karsten: the Received headers say that we did, and the Received headers is all anyone trusts |
| 03:04.41 | homecable | i have made a iptable script before on older linux |
| 03:04.46 | Dewi | (but they are also clearly wrong) |
| 03:04.50 | homecable | things have changed |
| 03:04.57 | karsten | Dewi: Then find an inconsistency, and/or see if there's any possibility the received is right. |
| 03:05.20 | homecable | say i make /etc/firewall.user how would i make it load ? |
| 03:05.30 | karsten | Dewi: If you're sending any volume of spam you should show on dnsbls: sorbs, spamcop, spews, spamhaus. Use a multi-rbl lookup to check. |
| 03:05.54 | karsten | Dewi: IroPort's mail volume tool is another good resource. http://www.senderbase.org IIRC. |
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| 03:06.18 | Dewi | karsten: most or all of those are based on 'Received', which in this case implicates me due to the incorrect ordering |
| 03:06.32 | karsten | Dewi: Your problem is limited to noting that your systems didn't originate / send the spam in question. |
| 03:06.36 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: the fact that the timestamps are reversed should also clue you in |
| 03:06.50 | karsten | Dewi: Fuck the receiveds for the moment, and see if you've got further evidence you might be spamming. |
| 03:06.55 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: the top timestamp comes from the spammer and could be faked |
| 03:07.07 | karsten | Dewi: *REALLY!!!!!!* |
| 03:07.11 | karsten | Dewi: Say it ain't so. |
| 03:07.18 | homecable | dpkg firewall.user |
| 03:07.22 | homecable | !dpkg firewall.user |
| 03:07.22 | Dewi | karsten: Of course I have looked |
| 03:07.29 | karsten | homecable: /msg the bots. |
| 03:07.35 | karsten | !tell Dewi about selftell |
| 03:07.36 | Dewi | karsten: this system does a lot of mail, and IIS logs virtually nothing about outgoing mail |
| 03:08.04 | Fjordside | dondelelcaro, spf wont work then |
| 03:08.09 | dondelelcaro | Fjordside: ? |
| 03:08.21 | Fjordside | dondelelcaro, too easy to say fuck recieved |
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| 03:08.38 | Dewi | karsten: but no, I don't think the spam comes from us. Too many things are inconsistent for that to be the case |
| 03:08.44 | dondelelcaro | Fjordside: I still don't know why you're teling me this |
| 03:08.58 | karsten | Dewi: I know how to DDOS your company. |
| 03:09.02 | karsten | Dewi: ... and #debian. |
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| 03:09.36 | Dewi | karsten: what? |
| 03:09.39 | karsten | Dewi: You spend 30 minutes analyzing every spam report you get. And suck the channel into the discussion. |
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| 03:10.00 | Dewi | k, fine, thanks for the help |
| 03:10.03 | Dewi | no need to get nasty |
| 03:10.08 | Dewi | karsten: oh, right then |
| 03:10.34 | Dewi | how about some warning? |
| 03:10.35 | Dewi | ffs |
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| 03:10.49 | sanmarcos | Hi, I am trying to make a .deb package for my application. I have a CHANGELOG file on the root of my app and a debian/changelog. In my rules file (http://en.pastebin.ca/543488) I call dh_installchangelogs CHANGELOG, however, at the end of debuild, lintian says: itaka: changelog-file-not-compressed CHANGELOG (and the same for changelog and changelog.Debian), any ideas? |
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| 03:11.17 | homecable | how do i make a iptable autoload script ? |
| 03:12.04 | lepton | homecable: get a firewall management package. I use firehol, there are others. |
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| 03:13.29 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: you need to call dh_compress after you call dh_installchangelogs |
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| 03:13.45 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: I tried that, same thing |
| 03:13.58 | sanmarcos | order does not seem to matter... |
| 03:14.52 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: yes, the order does indeed matter |
| 03:15.05 | sanmarcos | really? because I see other packages that do it in my order and work just fine |
| 03:15.41 | cwheeler | configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 03:15.41 | cwheeler | any simple solution to this problem? |
| 03:15.59 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: uh... no. |
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| 03:16.27 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: uh yes... I tried debuild again after putting it after the dh_compress, same result |
| 03:16.35 | stew | cwheeler: install build-essential |
| 03:16.39 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: put up your .dsc, orig.tar.gz and diff.gz |
| 03:16.45 | cast | OT question: anyone recovered a MYOB password before? |
| 03:16.48 | cwheeler | thanks stew |
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| 03:16.55 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: put up? |
| 03:17.02 | dondelelcaro | and arguing with me about something that's as clear as that when I'm a DD and you're not is kind of pointles |
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| 03:17.16 | dondelelcaro | (esp. when if you read man dh_compress you'll become enlightened) |
| 03:17.26 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: place in a location such that they can be downloaded |
| 03:17.36 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: I did read it, I did remove all other files but my source |
| 03:17.54 | heavensrevenge | hello |
| 03:18.09 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: so if you read it, you should understand why it has to be after dh_installchangelogs |
| 03:18.13 | heavensrevenge | i never made a bugreport before, but im trying to use bugreport-ng |
| 03:18.27 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: you mean before? |
| 03:18.35 | heavensrevenge | what should i put the severity of a konqueror crash as?? |
| 03:18.38 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: no, I mean after. |
| 03:19.29 | sanmarcos | wols: itaka: changelog-file-not-compressed CHANGELOG |
| 03:19.31 | dondelelcaro | heavensrevenge: depends; file it with normal unless you know better. The maintainer will correct it if it's the wrong severity |
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| 03:20.47 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: http://en.pastebin.ca/543544 <-- this is what it should look like. If you're still getting lintian errors, put the .dsc, .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz in a location where they can be accessed. |
| 03:20.52 | heavensrevenge | well, it causes an instant crash once i s=change konquerors view |
| 03:21.27 | dondelelcaro | heavensrevenge: yeah, just file it with normal severity |
| 03:21.48 | dondelelcaro | heavensrevenge: ideally with a corefile and if you can get it, a gdb backtrace |
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| 03:23.44 | heavensrevenge | um, i saved the gdb backtrace as a txtfile |
| 03:23.52 | heavensrevenge | is that what you mean as a corefile? |
| 03:24.15 | heavensrevenge | (1st time attempt here) |
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| 03:25.02 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: this is what I am trying to build http://www.jardinpresente.com.ar/temp/itaka.tar |
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| 03:26.11 | heavensrevenge | or can anyone just help me through making a bugreport(walkthrough)?? |
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| 03:26.33 | peterS | heavensrevenge: a core file is not the same as a backtrace - but most developers will only use the core file in order to _get_ a backtrace, so if you have that, it should be good enough |
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| 03:26.45 | heavensrevenge | sorry to bother with stupidity, but id like to help sumway ;) |
| 03:26.56 | dondelelcaro | heavensrevenge: that's good enough; I'd keep the corefile around in case the developer wants it |
| 03:27.56 | heavensrevenge | i have no idea what a corefile is so far;), but i saved the backtrace as a txt |
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| 03:28.24 | heavensrevenge | i guess, ill let it start up in kmailo, but ill just copy the contents to send from my gmail |
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| 03:29.08 | fabiosarts | hi |
| 03:29.23 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: its my first time trying to build a debian app, I did the debianization with dh_make and now I am trying with debuild. I only have this changelog error, and a gpg secret ring thingy. I am almost there |
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| 03:32.39 | chapium | does anyone know where to get started for setting up wireless? |
| 03:32.53 | karsten | chapium: At the beginning. |
| 03:32.57 | chapium | ... |
| 03:33.04 | karsten | </rimshot> |
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| 03:34.01 | Supaplex | a tin foil hat? |
| 03:34.08 | gufymike | yesterday, I installed debian to a box, that has a 3ware raid card, tyan s5389 mb, two of the drives are in a raid 1 solution, the rest in a raid 5 solution. on the raid 1 I tried to setup a volgroup named sai, then a few partitions, /, /var, /tmp, /usr (boot was on its own partition not part of the lvm) and the raid 5 was set up to mount /home. It looked like everything went fine, everything installed nicely, tho upon reboot I got |
| 03:34.10 | gufymike | this type of error: unable to find volgroup sai unable to mount sai-root. Later I went to use another tool to handle the partitions and the lvm editor couldn't find the sai volgroup as a valid lvm partition. What did I do wrong? (home was fine in this editor) |
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| 03:35.52 | homecable | firewall:/etc# iptables -t nat -A prerouting_rule -i ppp0 -p tcp --dport 4000:4010 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.2 |
| 03:35.52 | homecable | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 03:36.05 | Supaplex | gufymike: the lvm2 howto is good reference. |
| 03:36.15 | karsten | chapium: Well, a computer and a wireless card are a good start. As is an access point. Where are you? |
| 03:36.29 | gufymike | Supaplex: umm, read it |
| 03:36.30 | litage|w | when rsyncing between 2 hosts, i'm getting the error "rsync: failed to set times on "/var/www/images/.": Operation not permitted (1)". i want the times no files that are transferred to be synchronised, but it doesn't matter for directories. is this possible? |
| 03:36.49 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: see dget http://archimedes.ucr.edu/~ss/itaka_0.1-0.dsc for how to do it properly. |
| 03:36.56 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: note the order, and the optional argument to dh_compress |
| 03:36.58 | karsten | litage|w: as root? |
| 03:37.03 | karsten | litage|w: mounted async? |
| 03:37.04 | litage|w | karsten: as non-root |
| 03:37.24 | gufymike | Supaplex: My question is more along the lines of how was I able to install debian to this volgroup, that apparently didn't exist and how come it didn't exist and yet I was able to leave the partition manager and have a / to install to which was on the volgroup. |
| 03:37.28 | karsten | litage|w: That may be a problem if the files aren't owned by the user doing the transfer |
| 03:37.28 | litage|w | karsten: mounted rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev |
| 03:37.41 | karsten | litage|w: OK. |
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| 03:37.46 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: not found |
| 03:38.12 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: sorry, no ~ |
| 03:38.19 | litage|w | karsten: the files and dirs are owned by root:www-data , and the rsync is being run by userX who is a member of the group www-data |
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| 03:38.42 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: forbidden |
| 03:38.52 | Supaplex | gufymike: i don't know, but maybe the initrd hasn't detected it correctly for what ever reason. |
| 03:38.56 | karsten | litage|w: Well, one option is to try as root and see if you've still got the error. That would point to a permissions issue. |
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| 03:39.08 | litage|w | karsten: i'm 99% sure it's a permissions issue |
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| 03:39.29 | thelostbutler | hello folks, how do i change the password for a user over hundreds of systems ? i generated the password using openssl passwd -1 . then when i login into the system and use usermod -p 'has' username it successfully changes the password. however when i use a for loop to run usermod it refuses to change the password with the same hash. am i missing something. would appreciate some help |
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| 03:39.52 | slacker403 | yo |
| 03:39.54 | gufymike | Supaplex: I could accept that, if in another os it picked up the home volgroup (for the raid 5), and then when I tried to check the sai volgroup it couldn't find it. |
| 03:40.03 | slacker403 | .tes.t |
| 03:40.09 | karsten | thelostbutler: The easy way: use LDAP authentication. |
| 03:40.15 | gufymike | Supaplex: fyi, I was able to correctly setup the sai volgroup. |
| 03:40.24 | slacker403 | i am on sarge i needto update to etch |
| 03:40.25 | gufymike | in another system |
| 03:40.30 | karsten | thelostbutler: Only slightly well less known is this: |
| 03:40.39 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: also, what should I do with the dsc? how do I get the changes you made? (once I can download it) |
| 03:40.43 | karsten | thelostbutler: ... never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line! |
| 03:41.02 | karsten | thelostbutler: ... however you could 'sed -i' /etc/passwd for the user in question and replace the old value w/ the new. |
| 03:41.16 | thelostbutler | :) |
| 03:41.24 | vroomfondel | karsten: shadow? |
| 03:41.29 | enouf | i said debian-boot .. lol |
| 03:41.33 | karsten | vroomfondel: pOint. |
| 03:41.36 | Supaplex | karsten: even funner when multiple instances run at the same time! yay races! |
| 03:41.38 | litage|w | karsten: rsync is trying to set the time on /var/www/images/ , but is unable to do so because /var/www/ is owned by root:www-data and is chmodded 0755 |
| 03:42.00 | litage|w | karsten: however, i'm not willing to set /var/www/ to 0775 |
| 03:42.00 | karsten | thelostbutler: s,/etc/passwd,/etc/shadow, |
| 03:42.03 | slacker403 | i am on sarge whats the easiest way to quickly update to ETCH ? |
| 03:42.07 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: use dget on it |
| 03:42.12 | Supaplex | slacker403: topic |
| 03:42.23 | karsten | litage|w: is /var/www/ the top point of the synch? |
| 03:42.23 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: ok, I still get a 403 on that url |
| 03:42.30 | thelostbutler | karsten: will do that |
| 03:42.47 | thelostbutler | thanks |
| 03:43.05 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: try it agian |
| 03:43.09 | litage|w | karsten: no, /var/www/images/ is |
| 03:44.13 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: thanks. it seems weird that i would have to pass that dh_compress argument. is it because the file name is all uppercase? |
| 03:44.20 | litage|w | karsten: group www-data doesn't have write access to /var/www/ which means users in that group can't modify the timestamp on /var/www/images/ |
| 03:44.31 | karsten | litage|w: One suggestion is to invoke rsync below that point. |
| 03:44.43 | slacker403 | where is the debain repos thing stored ? |
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| 03:44.49 | karsten | litage|w: Trailing '/' toggles that though I can never remember which is where. |
| 03:44.52 | karsten | slacker403: In the place. |
| 03:45.19 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: yes; generally an upstream changelog would be debian/changelog. |
| 03:45.34 | slacker403 | ./etc/sources.list ? |
| 03:45.37 | slacker403 | where is it stored ? |
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| 03:45.52 | karsten | slacker403: Um. The question is the answer. |
| 03:46.02 | dondelelcaro | save that it's /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:46.02 | litage|w | karsten: you're right. i removed the trailing "/" from the source and destination paths, and the error disappeared |
| 03:46.10 | karsten | litage|w: :-) |
| 03:46.18 | litage|w | karsten: do you know why the trailing slash has that effect |
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| 03:46.25 | karsten | litage|w: Yeah. |
| 03:46.29 | karsten | litage|w: The manpage says so. |
| 03:46.57 | litage|w | karsten: so it does! reading the manpage.. |
| 03:46.58 | slacker403 | whats the us debian repos ? for etch its on sarge now so i need ot know what to put in the sources.list |
| 03:47.56 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 03:47.56 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 03:48.43 | litage|w | karsten: thanks for your help |
| 03:49.08 | slacker403 | dondelelcaro: could ya help me out real quick im in a hurry ......... what should i put in the repos it was on sarge i now want ETCH somethng like ...... deb http://us.debian.org/deabin main etch something like this right ? |
| 03:49.37 | streuner | !hurry |
| 03:49.38 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 03:49.42 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: final question, I see the x.x-N changelog numbers are to specify if a package is a native debian package or not. My package requires no modifications to build on debian, do I need to have that final x.x-N on my changelog and have to create a copy of my source to .orig everytime I want to compile? |
| 03:50.09 | karsten | litage|w: NP. |
| 03:50.33 | karsten | !sarge->etch |
| 03:50.33 | dpkg | [sarge->etch] read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 03:50.57 | karsten | slacker403: Suggest you prioritize our problems in your schedule. |
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| 03:51.15 | Azar | slacker403: you want to upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 03:51.28 | slacker403 | yes i did it last weeek |
| 03:51.37 | slacker403 | its a matter of adding the right format for the repos |
| 03:51.42 | slacker403 | and running a command |
| 03:52.10 | Azar | if you have not changed your repos to etch yet, you did NOT upgraded |
| 03:52.15 | slacker403 | but i forget the format of the sources.list since mine is empty |
| 03:52.21 | slacker403 | Azio: a different server |
| 03:52.23 | Azar | oh I see |
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| 03:52.26 | slacker403 | ^^ |
| 03:52.33 | slacker403 | this is a new server |
| 03:52.47 | slacker403 | could someone give me thier example repos that they use for etch ? |
| 03:52.52 | dondelelcaro | sanmarcos: unless your package is Debian specific, it should not be a native package |
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| 03:53.21 | karsten | slacker403: http://www.google.com/search?q=sources.list+example&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 03:53.24 | Azar | deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 03:53.30 | sanmarcos | dondelelcaro: that means I should have the -N ? |
| 03:53.30 | Azar | slacker403: ^^ |
| 03:53.41 | slacker403 | can i replace that with us ? |
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| 03:55.31 | Azar | welcome back apt |
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| 03:55.35 | streuner | apt, test |
| 03:55.37 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 03:55.42 | slacker403 | grrrrrrrrrr |
| 03:55.44 | streuner | (and don't say passed) |
| 03:55.53 | slacker403 | so do i do non free or take that out lol ? |
| 03:55.58 | streuner | bah |
| 03:56.01 | litage|w | karsten: ``rsync remoteBox:/var/www/images /var/www/images'' ends up creating /var/www/images/images/ |
| 03:56.15 | slacker403 | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 03:56.17 | slacker403 | will this work ? |
| 03:56.22 | slacker403 | as a repos |
| 03:56.25 | Azar | yes |
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| 03:56.39 | gigamonkey | Is it possible that apt-get install apache would create an apache script in init.d that apt-get remove apache wouldn't clean up? |
| 03:56.48 | litage|w | karsten: and ``rsync remoteBox:/var/www/images /var/www'' is the same as ``rsync remoteBox:/var/www/images/ /var/www/images'' which was resulting in the timestamp error |
| 03:57.11 | Azar | gigamonkey: it is possible |
| 03:57.19 | gigamonkey | Is it normal? |
| 03:57.31 | gigamonkey | Or did I do something wrong somewhere along the way? |
| 03:57.38 | slacker403 | what is the distor upgrade ...... apt-get distro-upgrade or something like that ? |
| 03:57.44 | slacker403 | --dsitro |
| 03:57.47 | slacker403 | or something |
| 03:57.48 | karsten | litage|w: Yeah, you're one directory lower or higher than you want to be. |
| 03:57.54 | karsten | litage|w: Work around that. |
| 03:57.55 | Azar | gigamonkey: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
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| 03:58.05 | litage|w | karsten: not sure what you mean |
| 03:58.10 | streuner | slacker403: man apt-get and man dpkg, if you want have fun with Debian |
| 03:58.19 | karsten | gigamonkey: man aptitude. Diff purge & remove. |
| 03:58.31 | slacker403 | streuner: yea i know man im jus tyring ot get etch on there then i will learn all that stuff |
| 03:58.45 | slacker403 | jus whats the command to activate a distro update |
| 03:58.53 | stew | slacker403: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 03:58.54 | karsten | slacker403: man aptitude |
| 03:59.08 | gigamonkey | karsten: I actually did an 'apt-get --purge remove apache' But I'll look at aptitude, thanks. |
| 03:59.08 | waqjan | slacker403: apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 03:59.12 | stew | waqjan: no |
| 03:59.14 | gigamonkey | Azar: thanks for the url. |
| 03:59.18 | Azar | slacker403: did you entered the second source as well? I showed you earlier ^^^^ |
| 03:59.20 | stew | slacker403: don't listen to waqjan, read the release notes |
| 03:59.27 | waqjan | oops, sorry |
| 03:59.27 | karsten | gigamonkey: aptitude >>> apt-get. purge should work the same for both. |
| 03:59.33 | slacker403 | no i did not Azar |
| 03:59.35 | litage|w | karsten: whether or not there's a trailing slash on the source doesn't matter; the timestamp on images/ on the local machine will be updated. the timestamp error occurs if it's acting on /var/ww/images/ rather than /var/www/images/images/ |
| 03:59.37 | karsten | gigamonkey: init.d files are named by the package owning them. |
| 03:59.40 | Azar | slacker403: so enter it |
| 03:59.45 | karsten | litage|w: Hrm. |
| 03:59.53 | slacker403 | Azar: do i need it ? |
| 03:59.56 | gigamonkey | karsten: but they don't get removed when the package does? |
| 04:00.11 | karsten | gigamonkey: Not unless the package is purged. |
| 04:00.14 | Azar | slacker403: is for security updates |
| 04:00.22 | slacker403 | im using a ghetto ass irc client so its not making anything easier |
| 04:00.23 | streuner | slacker403: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/apt-get.8.html |
| 04:00.30 | litage|w | karsten: from the manpage: "but in both cases the attributes of the containing directory are transferred" with "both cases" referring to whether or not a trailing slash is included on the source path |
| 04:00.32 | slacker403 | Azar: could you send it 1 more time |
| 04:00.36 | karsten | gigamonkey: Debian differentiates between "remove" which leaves configs and data (say, for databases), and purge, which nukes 'em with prejudice. |
| 04:00.45 | karsten | litage|w: Hrm. |
| 04:00.49 | stew | slacker403: its in the release notes, which you should be reading if you want to upgrade to etch |
| 04:00.50 | gigamonkey | karsten: but I did purge it. Though maybe after I had removed it without purging. |
| 04:01.03 | Azar | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 04:01.33 | karsten | gigamonkey: If you've manually modified the config file that might change things, but IIRC it still gets purged. |
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| 04:01.53 | slacker403 | steve: i know man im jus tyring ot get it upgraded really fast |
| 04:01.56 | gigamonkey | karsten: I think maybe the problem was doing a non-purge remove and *then* a purge remove. |
| 04:01.57 | Azar | stew :) he is too burning with impatience to start reading... hehe |
| 04:02.05 | slacker403 | Azar: pretty much man |
| 04:02.11 | slacker403 | im in a real hurrry |
| 04:02.12 | Azar | yea man I got you |
| 04:02.12 | karsten | gigamonkey: purge should still purge the configfiles. |
| 04:02.15 | gigamonkey | I just reinstalled and then did 'apt-get --purge remove apache' and now the init.d file is gone. |
| 04:02.26 | stew | slacker403: if you are too hurrired to read the upgrade procudure, you shouldn't upgrade |
| 04:02.37 | slacker403 | Azar: im on a live cd if that makes things worse and if this server sint setup quick im going to be out money |
| 04:02.42 | Azar | gigamonkey: good now you can reinstall using aptitude |
| 04:02.55 | karsten | slacker403: So sorry to hear about *your* problem... |
| 04:03.06 | gigamonkey | Hmmm, but that trick didn't work for apache2. Blech. |
| 04:03.10 | litage|w | karsten: i think i have 3 choices... (1) set /var/www/ 0775, or (2) do an rsync on each dir in src:/var/www/images/ , or (3) use the --no-t option to not transfer timestamps. otherwise, rsync will try, and fail, to set the timestamp on /var/www/images/ |
| 04:03.12 | stew | slacker403: if you want the quick version, you can skip to chapter 4 of the release notes |
| 04:03.15 | karsten | gigamonkey: Yeah, reinstall's another bet, doesn't take anything but time. |
| 04:03.19 | Azar | slacker403: now that you entered the second source do this: one time: aptitude update second time: aptitude upgrade |
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| 04:03.29 | stew | slacker403: but i don't know why you think that reading the procedure via irc is going to be any faster than reading it from the release notes |
| 04:03.35 | karsten | litage|w: ... or an initial transfer of the top-level directories w/o setting attributes? |
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| 04:03.51 | karsten | stew: It's somewhat guided. But I'm with you. |
| 04:04.04 | GeneralK | I'm watching this idiot trying to bust in to my server through trying hundreds of SSH logins. How do I change my SSH banner to give him a nice message? |
| 04:04.14 | stew | karsten: and somewhat much more likely to be faulty |
| 04:04.23 | Azar | GeneralK: got something for you holdon |
| 04:04.26 | streuner | stew: he want that we install and setup his whole system for him |
| 04:04.53 | slacker403 | Azar: problem with the repos hmmm |
| 04:04.56 | stew | GeneralK: install fail2ban, and hell just stop seeing anything after the 3rd try |
| 04:04.59 | karsten | stew: Oi. |
| 04:05.02 | Azar | GeneralK: http://www.howtoforge.com/preventing_ssh_dictionary_attacks_with_denyhosts |
| 04:05.18 | Azar | slacker403: ok what problem? |
| 04:05.18 | GeneralK | Azar & stew: Cheers. |
| 04:05.26 | slacker403 | Azar: http://phpfi.com/239745 |
| 04:06.41 | Azar | slacker403: no problem try : aptitude update again |
| 04:06.53 | GeneralK | Bah, he just stopped! :P |
| 04:07.35 | Azar | GeneralK: is a dictionary attack follow the tutorial, is easy and put attempts to login at max 3 and you are done |
| 04:07.42 | Azar | next time they get banned |
| 04:07.49 | stew | GeneralK: in general you should make sure your passwords are strong enough to not succumb to those type of attacks, but something like fail2ban is also a good idea |
| 04:07.50 | slacker403 | Azar: 36 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 214 not upgraded. Need to get 19.5MB of archives. After unpacking 8781kB will be used. |
| 04:07.57 | slacker403 | Azar: is that all it is to upgrade ? |
| 04:08.06 | Azar | yea fail2ban is good as well |
| 04:08.11 | GeneralK | The hostname was ipvpn027051.netvigator.com. I wonder if it's worth sending a complaint email. |
| 04:08.30 | Azar | slacker403: yes that was it :) |
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| 04:08.45 | slacker403 | Azar: doing it now hope it works :D |
| 04:08.52 | Azar | slacker403: you are good to go now but, I also back stew and tell you too: read the documentation |
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| 04:08.58 | gigamonkey | Ah, the problem is a bunch of apache2 comes from apache2-common |
| 04:09.35 | slacker403 | Azar: i will ......but i jus really really needed this asap ........im not a dumbass i swear i jus have worked with slackware for years :D |
| 04:10.32 | Azar | slacker403: I know, you are not the only rocket in town |
| 04:11.04 | Azar | --------------------->*slacker403---------------------------->**kaboom |
| 04:11.21 | streuner | haha |
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| 04:12.13 | streuner | That doesn't work so, you'll need to unterstand |
| 04:12.46 | streuner | and you'll need to read docs |
| 04:12.51 | slacker403 | Azar: its done so is it all updated ? |
| 04:13.04 | streuner | in order to unterstand, NOT only IRC |
| 04:13.06 | Azar | GeneralK: it is not worth sending complaints.... thousands of bots doing nagging, persistent attempts all the time... |
| 04:13.16 | slacker403 | also how do i delete the cache / old packages do a little clean up ? |
| 04:13.17 | Azar | slacker403: yes it is updated now |
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| 04:13.29 | karsten | slacker403: man aptitude |
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| 04:13.31 | slacker403 | apt-get clean ? |
| 04:13.56 | slacker403 | how do i check for version ? |
| 04:13.57 | karsten | !tell slacker403 about aptitude |
| 04:14.10 | slacker403 | ye im going to read |
| 04:14.11 | karsten | slacker403: You're going to be much better off using aptitude regularly rather than apt-get. |
| 04:14.15 | slacker403 | ah |
| 04:14.33 | karsten | slacker403: ... though in this particular instance it doesn't matter. Still it's a matter of good habits. |
| 04:15.16 | Azar | slacker403: I guess is not much to clean on a new system, is done using aptitude if you read the documentation (in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README) or I use a little app called ProShield |
| 04:15.44 | slacker403 | i jus did apittude clean |
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| 04:16.04 | karsten | !win slacker403 |
| 04:16.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, slacker403! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
| 04:16.17 | karsten | slacker403: The prize budget's a bit underfunded. |
| 04:16.20 | Azar | try install proshield is a very nice little app (console only tho) |
| 04:16.42 | karsten | slacker403: Typing lessons would also be a good thing. |
| 04:17.13 | Azar | cleans, does backup |
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| 04:28.25 | Bogus8 | my laptop keeps going into a wierd standby mode that I can't get it out of ... not sure what is doing it... but I have tried gxset and it doesn't change anything (the values stay the same) |
| 04:29.06 | Azar | indy.. linux.. http://www.bash.org/?768078 |
| 04:29.30 | Azar | laptops are weird.. |
| 04:29.53 | Bogus8 | word |
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| 04:35.12 | Azar | haha |
| 04:35.15 | Azar | http://www.bash.org/?768397 |
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| 04:37.14 | junix659 | http://pastebin.ca/543703 |
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| 04:37.27 | junix659 | hi i am getting this error when trying to use VMWARE 5.5.4 on debian unstable http://pastebin.ca/543703 |
| 04:37.38 | Bogus8 | hmm, I'm dropping a LOT of packets from this laptop on my own network! |
| 04:38.03 | Bogus8 | it's a toshiba tecra m3 (not too shabby) |
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| 04:40.02 | holycow | hey guys |
| 04:40.19 | holycow | i have a raid1 setup with an adaptec hardware raid card |
| 04:40.28 | holycow | one of the drives failed, so i plugged in a new hd |
| 04:41.05 | holycow | now the green and orange lights are alternating on and off ... i just powered on the box so not sure if tha tindicates that its rebuilding as i wait or something else |
| 04:41.08 | holycow | does that sound normal? |
| 04:41.30 | Azar | Bogus8: Debian stable? Etch? 4.0 ? |
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| 04:41.42 | Bogus8 | I have NO experience (yet) but did you check manf manual? |
| 04:41.46 | Bogus8 | Azar: yeah, etch |
| 04:41.54 | Bogus8 | stable net install |
| 04:42.04 | Azar | Bogus8: all I can help you.. http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hosted/debian-etch-toshiba-tecra-m5.html |
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| 04:42.12 | Azar | never had a toshiba thing |
| 04:42.12 | hardbop200 | I'm having a hell of a time with xdmcp, need help - how do you get the chooser to come up on the client? I've followed the howto (I *think*), with no luck - no chooser comes up. |
| 04:42.30 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.49 | Bogus8 | Azar: thanks... as far as dropped packets, I've run some Live disk and haven't seen these problems |
| 04:42.53 | hardbop200 | lindenle: xdm |
| 04:43.00 | Supaplex | !curse http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 04:43.00 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/! |
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| 04:43.07 | hardbop200 | I've got dns resolution as well |
| 04:43.07 | chapiu1 | i have but one wish |
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| 04:43.26 | chapiu1 | and that is to disable touch to click on my touchpad... its driving me insane |
| 04:44.04 | slacker403 | how cna i check to see whih version of debian i am running ? |
| 04:44.25 | chapiu1 | cat /proc/version |
| 04:44.28 | dondelelcaro | slacker403: cat /etc/debian_version; apt-cache polixy; |
| 04:44.32 | dondelelcaro | s/xy/cy/ |
| 04:45.11 | slacker403 | Debian 1:3.3.5-13 |
| 04:45.21 | slacker403 | trying toi see if its sarge etch etc |
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| 04:45.51 | dondelelcaro | uh... there's no such thing as that version of Debian. |
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| 04:46.02 | slacker403 | huh ? |
| 04:46.07 | Bogus8 | Azar: thanks, I found some similar issues on there that I've had (time and touch pad) so that makes me feel better |
| 04:46.14 | slacker403 | anyways yea all is good |
| 04:46.17 | Bogus8 | but this dropped packet thing is just silly |
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| 04:46.56 | lindenle | hardbop200: so you have xdm listening for XDMCP requests |
| 04:47.12 | lindenle | try Xnest -query loclahost :1 |
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| 04:47.27 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:48.01 | n3kl | Are there any secure ways to run a mysql server over the internet? |
| 04:48.11 | Supaplex | ssl |
| 04:48.19 | waqjan | n3kl: openvpn? |
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| 04:48.26 | hardbop200 | lindenle: ah, I think I have it - there is a line in Xservers that I have to comment out that I haven't done |
| 04:48.38 | hardbop200 | lemme try again and I will report back |
| 04:48.47 | Supaplex | gah, is cdimage.debian.org dead?! |
| 04:48.49 | lindenle | hardbop200: ok, sorry I don't use xdm anyway...I have it working with kdm |
| 04:49.20 | Supaplex | ouu I found mirrors. yay! |
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| 04:51.07 | holycow | nm |
| 04:51.28 | holycow | for anyone that cares, on adaptec cards alternating green and orange lights on the replaced raid hd mean that its being rebuilt |
| 04:51.32 | Supaplex | yippie, netinst is on its way. ^.^ |
| 04:51.45 | Supaplex | !adaptec raid |
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| 04:57.02 | haiti | NickServ |
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| 04:57.33 | xjkx | My father's computer SUCKS, and i would like to know if i can share my processor/memory and so on, like he remotely acess my computer and use my machine for processing i dont know, He can't run openoffice because its too heavy to his machine, maybe he could run it on mine and get a result there |
| 04:57.49 | sandman | What distro is testing called now? |
| 04:58.01 | sandman | Or rather, what name. |
| 04:58.09 | holycow | xjkx, yeah sure |
| 04:58.18 | sandman | Breezy? |
| 04:58.49 | shogunx | blasphemous |
| 04:58.51 | holycow | xjkx, do you have linux on your dads computer? |
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| 04:59.04 | Dewi | xjkx: X-windows itself is a networked protocol, so you could run Ooo or even a whole desktop over a network with normal X |
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| 04:59.24 | Dewi | xjkx: personally I tend to use VNC though, it's a little bit simpler and you can easily disconnect and reconnect later |
| 04:59.39 | holycow | xjkx, if so and you have gnome on your desktop, youi can enable x-windows sharing from system/admin/login windows |
| 04:59.40 | xjkx | holycow: he runs win98 |
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| 04:59.54 | Dewi | xjkx: you can get both VNC and X-Windows displays for windows 98 |
| 05:00.02 | xjkx | o.o |
| 05:00.04 | Guerin | xjkx: win98 doesn't run, it walks ... when it's not limping |
| 05:00.04 | Dewi | xjkx: ultravnc |
| 05:00.34 | xjkx | He has 64mb of memory...does it run vnc, ultravnc, and x-windows ? |
| 05:00.37 | Dewi | Guerin: sometimes it waddles |
| 05:00.37 | holycow | then use vnc on his machine and enable desktop sharing on your from system/preferences/remote desktop |
| 05:00.42 | Guerin | Dewi: heh |
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| 05:00.59 | LoneWlf | or install rdesktop |
| 05:01.06 | Guerin | Dewi: pity you're not allowed to shoot the fucking thing until it leaves the water |
| 05:01.07 | xjkx | LoneWlf: me? |
| 05:01.09 | Dewi | xjkx: oh no, you don't need VNC and X-windows. They are too different methods. My recommendation: install or configure a vnc server on your linux box and put ultravnc in windows |
| 05:01.26 | Dewi | s/too/two/ |
| 05:01.35 | holycow | if you are running ubuntu on your desktop you have it already installed |
| 05:01.39 | Impiety | Somehow /sbin/agetty cannot execute on tty1 or any of the other ones |
| 05:01.42 | xjkx | why ultravnc and not vnc client? |
| 05:01.44 | Impiety | what would cause that to happen? |
| 05:01.52 | Dewi | xjkx: these days the standard xwindows/gnome thing has some kind of VNC thing you just need to enable |
| 05:01.53 | holycow | ultravnc is the best windows vnc client |
| 05:02.03 | Dewi | holycow: exactly |
| 05:02.06 | LoneWlf | xjkx, sorry, I missed some parts of the conversation, and as Dewi says his recommendation was win98 on your da's machine. |
| 05:02.10 | xjkx | I run xubuntu :< |
| 05:02.17 | holycow | its still installed |
| 05:02.43 | LoneWlf | xjkx, if you ran windows, you could use rdesktop from linux on your da's to connect to the windows box... but that is not the case, so ignore it :) |
| 05:02.44 | xjkx | Will do this vnc server+ultra vnc |
| 05:02.50 | holycow | infact linux is terrific for letting people with bad computers gain access to powerfull computers over the network |
| 05:03.13 | Dewi | holycow: tbh I still miss the speediness of termservices |
| 05:03.19 | xjkx | thats cool, hope it works |
| 05:03.24 | LoneWlf | I am |
| 05:03.31 | holycow | over what? xdmcp? |
| 05:03.37 | LoneWlf | but I'm registered this way... |
| 05:03.40 | LoneWlf | what can you do? |
| 05:03.40 | holycow | over vnc sure, vnc isn't exactly optimized |
| 05:03.43 | Dewi | holycow: either x-windows or vnc |
| 05:03.43 | furrywolf | heh |
| 05:03.49 | holycow | ts cant touch xdmcp imho |
| 05:03.53 | furrywolf | meeting |
| 05:04.02 | xjkx | Dudes, using this ultravnc he will connect my user? I want him to use his user and dont mess my screen (i will log with my user here, and he will log with his user there, and i dont want him to access my screen) |
| 05:04.05 | Dewi | holycow: and x-windows has the whole "can't disconnect without everything dying" problem |
| 05:04.08 | LoneWlf | tired is a bad time to type, aye |
| 05:04.33 | holycow | well it is a proper remote sessions |
| 05:04.38 | holycow | not an 'image' of a remote session |
| 05:04.38 | Dewi | xjkx: that might be a bit trickier. Personally I run a completely separate instance of VNC-ified X-windows on my linux box |
| 05:04.43 | holycow | it's the right way to do it |
| 05:04.44 | Dewi | xjkx: the package is called tightvncserver |
| 05:04.53 | holycow | the fact windows lets you log off without closing a session is a flaw |
| 05:05.06 | slacker403 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.21 | holycow | well imho |
| 05:05.22 | holycow | :) |
| 05:05.23 | Dewi | holycow: no, my modem giving up the ghost should *not* make me lose data |
| 05:05.24 | LoneWlf | xjkx: create him and account and run vncserver as him, it will create all preferences and run all programs as his user and run in the background... you can even connect to it from your running linux desktop and adjust what's going on ... it's kinda like a virtual machine... only its just a virtual desktop |
| 05:05.31 | LoneWlf | xjkx, go play with it :P |
| 05:05.35 | Dewi | holycow: particularly since I'm running long-term stuff like azureus |
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| 05:05.58 | holycow | you should run proper things for that, a server application should be run as such not as a client |
| 05:06.00 | unlink | is there anything like the webcam chat feature of msn in debian? |
| 05:06.04 | holycow | :) again imho |
| 05:06.15 | Dewi | holycow: yeah, so what's the remaining remoting option? slow old VNC. |
| 05:06.18 | LoneWlf | holycow, iynsho you mean |
| 05:06.31 | Dewi | holycow: actually there is that freenx thing, which is meant to be great, but I haven't gotten it to work. I don't think there's a debian package. |
| 05:06.32 | Impiety | unlink, isn't there something with kopete? |
| 05:06.32 | holycow | Dewi, the right way, xdmcp :) |
| 05:06.33 | holycow | lol |
| 05:06.41 | Dewi | oh |
| 05:06.43 | Dewi | sorry |
| 05:06.50 | unlink | Impiety: i guess i didn't think to use kopete since i don't use KDE |
| 05:06.56 | xjkx | Thank you guys, will start the reading :))) will apt-get install vncserver from now |
| 05:06.59 | LoneWlf | holycow, the whole point was remoting it was overcoming lack of resources... the moment you start doing remote X, you start in on making his machine do more than its capable of |
| 05:07.01 | holycow | Dewi, just counterpointing all your points :) whatever works fo ryou |
| 05:07.15 | Impiety | unlink, that would make sense |
| 05:07.25 | Dewi | holycow: I forgot about xdmcp... people describe it as old and outdated, but it's probably worth trying at some point |
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| 05:07.34 | Impiety | hrm...is there something that gives a list of updated pages, and added packages? |
| 05:07.36 | holycow | LoneWlf, not really the application just looks like its running locally but not really |
| 05:07.37 | Dewi | holycow: I never have so far, obviously |
| 05:07.37 | Impiety | like a log or something? |
| 05:07.47 | furrywolf | LoneWlf: tired isn't a good time to type, but with no one to curl up on, not much point to going to bed until I'm really tired, else I'll just lie awake... |
| 05:07.50 | LoneWlf | Just because its old, doesn't mean it doesn't work ;) I learn that all the time |
| 05:08.01 | Impiety | like a history or something |
| 05:08.02 | LoneWlf | furrywolf, point and game ;) |
| 05:08.03 | holycow | Dewi, xdmcp is x11 remote stuff which is what you were referring to :) |
| 05:08.10 | Dewi | LoneWlf: X display is not a big drain on computing power. Any old machine will do these days |
| 05:08.13 | furrywolf | LoneWlf: ? |
| 05:08.23 | holycow | Dewi, right exactly |
| 05:08.31 | Dewi | holycow: oh no, what I meant was literally set DISPLAY=othermachine:0.0 |
| 05:08.33 | LoneWlf | furrywolf, another way of saying "you're right" |
| 05:08.36 | Dewi | holycow: very low tech :) |
| 05:08.39 | LoneWlf | maybe I'm the tired one |
| 05:08.46 | holycow | Dewi, aha! :) |
| 05:08.58 | furrywolf | heh |
| 05:08.59 | LoneWlf | Dewi, ah, well then mayhap holycow has the right idea |
| 05:09.01 | holycow | i frankly cant remember if you can disconnect from your session via xdcmp and resume it |
| 05:09.10 | Dewi | holycow: VNC has served me well though, for a couple of years. It's just disappointingly slow. |
| 05:09.16 | holycow | i don't see why not but again, was just counterpointing for the heck of it :) |
| 05:09.28 | Dewi | holycow: for example from the 512/128 link I'm sitting at, 64 colour display is sort of *almost* useable. But not quite. |
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| 05:09.44 | holycow | Dewi, its just the server side vide drivers for that and maybe some trasport optimizing |
| 05:09.53 | holycow | but yeah i know what you mean |
| 05:09.54 | furrywolf | vnc is very slow, but it's a lot faster than plain X over some types of links.... |
| 05:10.00 | Dewi | holycow: there are no video drivers on the server, that way was even slower |
| 05:10.10 | holycow | i've never had plain x be slower than vnc |
| 05:10.11 | Dewi | holycow: this is tightvnc server, where xfree is linked directly into vnc |
| 05:10.21 | holycow | furrywolf, that doesn't sound right |
| 05:10.33 | holycow | but x protocol isn't optimized ithat i know |
| 05:10.44 | furrywolf | holycow: not even on a modem? I've found, say, running netscape over a modem directly is much worse than running it with vnc... |
| 05:10.50 | Dewi | holycow: X protocol tends to feel a little faster on a LAN, but it's a lot slower on a modem. |
| 05:10.50 | holycow | freenx and nomachines x proxy stuff supposedly optimizes the back and forth stuff |
| 05:11.02 | Dewi | holycow: I think it's a latency thing |
| 05:11.03 | holycow | furrywolf, ah modem? yeah never tried over modem *nod* |
| 05:11.17 | holycow | *nod* yeah okay i'll go with that |
| 05:11.26 | LoneWlf | I'm thinking that xjkx was running things locally tho |
| 05:11.31 | LoneWlf | so that's the situation to address |
| 05:11.39 | holycow | whatever freenx does via proxy, that should be built into xorg imho :) |
| 05:11.48 | furrywolf | vnc has better compression, doesn't update things too often, etc... if bandwidth is the limiting factor, vnc does better... but the latency is horrible, especially if you're using a server that polls an existing screen. |
| 05:11.54 | Dewi | holycow: last time I checked there were licensing issues |
| 05:12.02 | Dewi | holycow: freenx used to be proprietary before they opened it |
| 05:12.13 | Dewi | holycow: and there was some kind of IP issue on the source which is why it wasn't in debian |
| 05:12.25 | seppuka78 | x11vnc ftw ! |
| 05:12.28 | LoneWlf | didn't there used to be ops on this channel? where have they all gone I wonder |
| 05:12.36 | LoneWlf | 4tw |
| 05:12.36 | holycow | from what i understand freenx is the reimplementation of nomachine stuff with the use of their open source libraries |
| 05:12.56 | furrywolf | some vnc servers also have context-sensitive updating, where things under the core pointer are updated faster than distant parts of the screen, allowing a more useful use of low bandwidth. |
| 05:13.07 | Dewi | holycow: yeah, that sounds right |
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| 05:13.14 | Dewi | holycow: but it's still not in debian |
| 05:13.15 | furrywolf | LoneWlf: most ops on freenode only set themselves +o when they need to do something. |
| 05:13.40 | Dewi | holycow: there was some issue, but I haven't looked it up in at least a year |
| 05:13.43 | LoneWlf | furrywolf, sort of the... don't use root unless you need to theory |
| 05:13.46 | LoneWlf | I like it ;) |
| 05:13.50 | holycow | Dewi, *nod* |
| 05:13.51 | holycow | *sigh* |
| 05:13.51 | seppuka78 | the new x11vnc has client-side pixel caching |
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| 05:13.55 | seppuka78 | it's nice ! |
| 05:13.59 | seppuka78 | and allows console access |
| 05:13.59 | holycow | we were so far ahead of windows al those years ago |
| 05:14.02 | holycow | even ahead of macs :) |
| 05:14.04 | holycow | damnation |
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| 05:14.18 | furrywolf | LoneWlf: heh, and they have a bunch of huggy-feely reasons why this is supposed to be better for helping people. :) |
| 05:14.19 | holycow | well correction, proprietary vendors of x |
| 05:14.20 | Dewi | seppuka78: when you say client side, what do you mean? |
| 05:14.28 | Dewi | seppuka78: like, isn't x11vnc the vnc server end? |
| 05:14.32 | seppuka78 | that is a direct quote from the documentation |
| 05:14.45 | Dewi | seppuka78: and x server too |
| 05:15.03 | seppuka78 | x11vnc - allow VNC connections to real X11 displays version: 0.9.1, lastmod: 2007-04-18 |
| 05:15.03 | LoneWlf | furrywolf, PR? |
| 05:15.17 | homecable | whats that mean audit(1181106418.731:7): dev=eth0 prom=0 old_prom=256 auid=4294967295 |
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| 05:15.52 | Dewi | seppuka78: oh, okay. I assume that's the one that integrates into a real video-card-displaying xorg instance (rather than being an x server itself) |
| 05:16.35 | holycow | thats interesting |
| 05:16.41 | seppuka78 | yeah it's not an x server, I see it as a vncserver replacement and about 1000-x better |
| 05:16.41 | holycow | having xorg directly on a vid card |
| 05:16.44 | holycow | neat idea |
| 05:16.49 | Dewi | holycow: hah |
| 05:16.54 | cpuobsessed | anyone get a Lexmark Z25 printer to work? |
| 05:17.20 | seppuka78 | has bandwidth sensing |
| 05:17.24 | seppuka78 | all that good stuff |
| 05:17.36 | furrywolf | cpuobsessed: sell it and buy an epson. |
| 05:17.54 | cpuobsessed | not an option furrywolf |
| 05:17.55 | Dewi | seppuka78: the one I'm using - tightvncserver - is literally some xorg server libs strapped directly to vnc server libs; it runs quite apart from any normal xorgs that happen to be running |
| 05:18.16 | Dewi | seppuka78: but I get the feeling this way is not used by many people. The other way might have improved more by now. |
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| 05:19.02 | furrywolf | http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-Z25 |
| 05:19.07 | seppuka78 | well my main reason for using this is to access the console session |
| 05:19.13 | seppuka78 | I've used tight before yeah |
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| 05:19.21 | seppuka78 | it's good for what you state u use it for I agree |
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| 05:19.51 | seppuka78 | and x11vnc cannot do what that as far as I know |
| 05:20.07 | Dewi | seppuka78: well in my case there's no point even running a traditional xorg since my machine has no monitor |
| 05:20.17 | seppuka78 | neither does mine |
| 05:20.18 | lindenle | ok |
| 05:20.24 | Dewi | seppuka78: but it would still be cool to be able to disconnect a console session and see it elsewhere, winXP style |
| 05:20.31 | seppuka78 | my point |
| 05:20.32 | metbsd | what's the best email client for work |
| 05:20.39 | lindenle | !mutt |
| 05:20.39 | dpkg | mutt is, like, the official mailer of Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.mutt.org/) or better than pine or with message threading, built-in PGP support, and more config options than you can count, or check out http://www.mutt.org/links.html#config, or more Free than pine |
| 05:20.40 | seppuka78 | cause I run vmachines |
| 05:20.47 | furrywolf | cpuobsessed: however, lexmark printers are crap (cheap, unreliable hardware), and their software support is often poor, due to their exceptionally unhelpful attitude towards developers. |
| 05:21.09 | seppuka78 | mutt ftw |
| 05:22.02 | Dewi | furrywolf: do any of canon, HP, lexmark not suck? |
| 05:22.12 | holycow | canon sucks |
| 05:22.12 | holycow | big tie |
| 05:22.14 | holycow | time |
| 05:22.17 | holycow | hp is good |
| 05:22.19 | furrywolf | you will get a longer-lived, higher-quality, better-supported printer if you toss the lexmark and buy epson. :) |
| 05:22.19 | metbsd | but i'm on windows, what's best email client for windows |
| 05:22.20 | holycow | brother is good too |
| 05:22.22 | furrywolf | hp is ok. |
| 05:22.24 | furrywolf | brother is ok. |
| 05:22.27 | holycow | brother even has debian driver installers |
| 05:22.30 | furrywolf | epson is good. |
| 05:22.36 | hatter | how many of you use password-less ssh ? |
| 05:22.47 | furrywolf | epson gives free printers to the gimp-print folks, which makes me like them. :P |
| 05:22.49 | holycow | i've had nothing but problems with all epsons i've ever rung |
| 05:22.55 | seppuka78 | metbsd: thunderbird |
| 05:23.04 | holycow | but yeah they are supposed to be very open to open source |
| 05:23.18 | seppuka78 | hatter: I do |
| 05:23.23 | furrywolf | I currently have 5 epson inkjets connected. all work perfectly... |
| 05:23.28 | seppuka78 | often but only on clients I'm admin on |
| 05:23.36 | furrywolf | what problems did you have? |
| 05:23.36 | seppuka78 | dont' trust other admins |
| 05:23.40 | holycow | all epsons we have ever had died an early death |
| 05:23.44 | holycow | within 1st year of purchase |
| 05:23.45 | holycow | :/ |
| 05:23.48 | holycow | wish it was otherwise |
| 05:24.06 | furrywolf | I've never had an epson die... were you getting the lowest-of-low-priced-oem type ones? |
| 05:24.11 | furrywolf | (C40, etc) |
| 05:24.24 | holycow | c somethings yes, not sure exact models any more |
| 05:24.39 | seppuka78 | the ones that are cheaper to purchase than to buy a full ink cartridge lol |
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| 05:24.56 | furrywolf | seppuka78: yes, those. :) |
| 05:25.09 | furrywolf | if you get a $19.99 printer, it doesn't matter what brand it is... |
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| 05:25.33 | hatter | seppuka78, thx. I am debating this in my head. i think if you have been owned anyway, its irrelevant if you have a password or not |
| 05:25.40 | furrywolf | holycow: if it was C and a number below about 80, it probably cost $19.00 on sale. :) |
| 05:26.19 | holycow | anyway i agree epson should be supported but they should build better printers |
| 05:26.43 | furrywolf | from my experience, epson printers are quite reliable, and the one-real-printhead-built-into-the-printer system is infinitely better than other brands' buy-a-new-printhead-with-every-cartridge systems... |
| 05:26.45 | seppuka78 | well hatter |
| 05:26.46 | vince36 | i've a router-firewall, transparent squid, with an XP's network behind, how could i log all the ftp connections (without any config of client...), any ideas ? |
| 05:26.53 | furrywolf | holycow: I've never had an epson die... |
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| 05:26.53 | seppuka78 | I'm talking about key exchange |
| 05:26.58 | seppuka78 | not password less accounts |
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| 05:27.16 | furrywolf | and I've got some that are a decade old. :) |
| 05:27.35 | seppuka78 | vince36: firewall log rule |
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| 05:27.41 | furrywolf | I use them with usb-parallel adapters. :) |
| 05:28.03 | jnsears | what's your favorite mailing list host to run on debian? |
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| 05:28.30 | vince36 | seppuka78, i've heard about....frog, know this package ? |
| 05:28.44 | vince36 | cause im bad with firewall rules... |
| 05:28.59 | furrywolf | holycow: did you have a C40-something printer by any chance? |
| 05:29.04 | hatter | vince36, shorewall is good if you want to make iptables easy |
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| 05:29.30 | holycow | furrywolf, no don't think so, maybe c70 or c80 |
| 05:29.33 | vince36 | ok.... |
| 05:29.53 | LoneWlf | I don't like printers |
| 05:29.58 | LoneWlf | they all suck |
| 05:30.02 | LoneWlf | paperless ftw |
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| 05:30.18 | furrywolf | hrmm, those numbers are usually high enough to be decent printer... I haven't had too much expierence with the C line, but my c68 an c86 both work acceptably. |
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| 05:30.32 | furrywolf | lots and lots. |
| 05:30.35 | seppuka78 | vince36: no |
| 05:30.44 | vince36 | seppuka78, can i set up firewall log rules to log all ftp connections in a special place/file ? |
| 05:31.06 | furrywolf | when I get some spare time, I'm sticking all the ones I don't use in a pile, taking them apart, stripping the motors and gears, and tossing what's left. :) |
| 05:31.11 | seppuka78 | sure in /var/log/ or w/e |
| 05:31.35 | seppuka78 | i use ipfw in bsd mostly but I imagine it's not that hard with iptables or hell |
| 05:31.47 | seppuka78 | even web admin ap |
| 05:31.50 | furrywolf | I've got two laserjet 4simxps's... anyone want free printers, you pay shipping? |
| 05:31.57 | LoneWlf | furrywolf, lol |
| 05:32.05 | vince36 | mmmm ok , shit i've to see this log thing then.... |
| 05:32.39 | furrywolf | they hold about 1200 pages, and'll print non-stop all day forever... |
| 05:32.45 | vince36 | seppuka78, what mean "ap"....(o: |
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| 05:33.08 | jnsears | is there any mailing list software other than mailman that i should consider running? |
| 05:33.24 | seppuka78 | you know |
| 05:33.28 | seppuka78 | like webmin or something |
| 05:33.31 | seppuka78 | with the firewall module |
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| 05:34.11 | juancagt | so i was trying to install pidgim and i got an error with a bunch of unmet undependencies (outdates actually). Can someone take a look at my pastebin? |
| 05:35.05 | seppuka78 | jnsears: why you not like mailman? |
| 05:35.32 | jnsears | i dont not like it, just want to make sure there isn't something else i should look at before installing it by default |
| 05:35.42 | jnsears | it's just the only one i know about |
| 05:36.01 | seppuka78 | jnsears: top 2 as far as I know are majordomo and mailman |
| 05:36.19 | jnsears | cool, is mailman pretty straightforward to install with a postfix/dovecot setup? |
| 05:36.30 | seppuka78 | I did it with postfix |
| 05:36.32 | seppuka78 | and yeah |
| 05:36.34 | seppuka78 | it was |
| 05:36.37 | seppuka78 | but that was on a bsd machine |
| 05:36.39 | seppuka78 | so |
| 05:36.43 | seppuka78 | it should be easier on debian |
| 05:36.47 | Guerin | it should be easier on debian |
| 05:36.47 | jnsears | nice thx |
| 05:36.51 | Guerin | seppuka78: heh |
| 05:36.55 | seppuka78 | hehe |
| 05:37.06 | vince36 | seppuka78, i 've set up webmin on the machine yes , theres a "manual" iptables firewall , or shorewall .... but i didnot even knew i could just only log some ports with iptables |
| 05:37.31 | seppuka78 | well vince36 what you do is add a rule for port 21 20 or w/e |
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| 05:37.34 | Guerin | cue troll: `what could be easier than ./configure && make && make install????/' |
| 05:37.35 | seppuka78 | and put it on allow |
| 05:37.43 | seppuka78 | and then also flag the log option |
| 05:38.12 | vince36 | seppuka78, thanks vm for this details , and all |
| 05:38.38 | seppuka78 | no anytime |
| 05:38.52 | jnsears | hah yeah i know. i spent too much time today already getting email working and dont want to have to spend all night breaking it and fixing it. thx again. |
| 05:39.16 | seppuka78 | vmware workstation with snapshots FTW ! |
| 05:39.42 | furrywolf | bbl, sleepy wolfy time |
| 05:40.30 | LoneWlf | night furrywolf |
| 05:40.39 | furrywolf | niteys :) |
| 05:41.27 | Fjordside | LoneWlf, from chatjunkies? |
| 05:42.34 | LoneWlf | um... not recently, I don't think |
| 05:42.40 | LoneWlf | though it sounds somewhat familiar |
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| 05:47.25 | testis | Hey something very weird is happening to me. After installing etch via PXE without a hitch, the system boots and dmesg shows "Invalid MAC address, complain to vendor, blabla", and everytime I reboot, the interface changes from eth0 to eth1 and so on. I'm currently at eth5, anybody heard of this ? |
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| 05:48.13 | Guerin | testis: could be dicky IRQs/APIC |
| 05:48.30 | Guerin | testis: you can probably obviate it by installing and configuring ifrename |
| 05:48.34 | nwonknu- | yo |
| 05:49.08 | testis | Hmmm I had a kernel panic because of a dodgy APIC timer thing in the BIOS... I'll try booting with noapic |
| 05:49.10 | testis | Thanks |
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| 05:52.14 | testis | Ok, now at eth6... trying ifrename :p |
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| 05:56.33 | Saint-Takeshi | anyone know of a GUI/frontend tool for setting up an iceast server? |
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| 05:57.41 | Saint-Takeshi | preferably one with a deb package, i do rather hate to compile source code before 9am |
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| 05:58.36 | unix_infidel | is there a proper rdp for linux? |
| 05:58.39 | xjkx | I installed vncserver on linux and ultravnc on windows 98, i put ip:port, it asks for password, i give password, then i get a silver screen and nothing else o.o |
| 05:59.08 | fengor | !tell Saint-Takeshi about search |
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| 05:59.27 | fengor | sorry wrong factoid |
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| 05:59.36 | fengor | what i meant was: use apt-cache search |
| 05:59.39 | unix_infidel | i mean a proper rdp CLIENT. |
| 06:01.34 | Caelum | unix_infidel: what's wrong with rdesktop? |
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| 06:07.07 | gonzaloaf | why is it a goof custom to leave a blank line in the end of a C program? |
| 06:08.57 | testis | gonzaloaf: because some C compilers complain otherwise |
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| 06:09.38 | xjkx | noone uses vncserver/viwer? |
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| 06:10.28 | gonzaloaf | testis, just because of that? |
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| 06:12.07 | testis | gonzaloaf: at least I do it to avoid warnings... there may be an ancient and obscure reason. gcc ver. 3 used to do it if I recall correctly |
| 06:12.23 | testis | gcc 4 does not |
| 06:12.35 | gonzaloaf | tell me something new |
| 06:12.58 | gonzaloaf | I want to know why does the compiler complain? there should be a reason |
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| 06:13.44 | Zap-W | can i change umask per directory? |
| 06:13.45 | Zap-W | Zap-W want sub dirs and files created under a directory to be -rw-rw--r-- |
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| 06:17.40 | renewbie | hi, how can I create another rootly user? creating a user with primary group as root does not seem to work.. |
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| 06:19.04 | dondelelcaro | `rhave other users who need root privledges use sudo |
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| 06:21.35 | renewbie | dondelelcaro: in my case most work done by this user involves rootly permissons and I do not want to share root username |
| 06:22.07 | Saint-Takeshi | fengor: and search for what? icecat gives me way too many results |
| 06:22.12 | Saint-Takeshi | icecast* |
| 06:22.46 | fengor | it gives exactly 14 results for me |
| 06:22.52 | fengor | one being icecast-server |
| 06:22.58 | fengor | stop being lazy |
| 06:23.06 | renewbie | as sharing root will make accounting difficult.. |
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| 06:23.30 | Sp4rKy | hi |
| 06:23.32 | fengor | and even if its too much results for one page you can still do apt-cache search term | less |
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| 06:23.44 | fengor | or substitute les for a pager of your choice |
| 06:23.45 | Sp4rKy | i have a question about advanced user management |
| 06:23.56 | Sp4rKy | can i add a group in another group ? |
| 06:24.01 | vroomfondel | no |
| 06:24.05 | Saint-Takeshi | fengor: i'm not being lazy, none of those are what i'm after... |
| 06:24.09 | Sp4rKy | :( |
| 06:24.25 | Sp4rKy | and so how could i do to doing the same |
| 06:24.46 | fengor | you want to install an icecast server without compiling? fine do aptitude install icecast-server |
| 06:24.59 | vroomfondel | Sp4rKy: two groups |
| 06:24.59 | fengor | or learn to ask more precisely |
| 06:25.05 | Sp4rKy | i've 2500 users on my ldap server, and i can't add them one by one |
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| 06:25.18 | Sp4rKy | vroomfondel: i can't |
| 06:25.26 | Sp4rKy | it's for the groups like 'audio' |
| 06:25.37 | Sp4rKy | i would than all the users can have access to the audio ressources |
| 06:25.51 | Sp4rKy | without adding each of them to the group on all clients |
| 06:26.14 | vroomfondel | make a script |
| 06:26.28 | vroomfondel | if in group users, add user to group audio |
| 06:26.31 | Sp4rKy | nooo |
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| 06:26.46 | Sp4rKy | hmm, at strartup ... |
| 06:26.50 | Sp4rKy | i may |
| 06:26.53 | vroomfondel | then nis or ladab... centralize the user-DB |
| 06:27.01 | vroomfondel | ldap |
| 06:27.07 | Sp4rKy | i'm using ldap |
| 06:27.16 | vroomfondel | then that schould be possible... |
| 06:27.20 | Sp4rKy | ok |
| 06:27.40 | Sp4rKy | i was not sure about that, so i prefered asking for another solution before |
| 06:27.45 | Sp4rKy | but i'll try |
| 06:27.48 | Sp4rKy | thx vroomfondel |
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| 06:27.59 | vroomfondel | if your userdb is not local, adding them to group audio on the "user-db-server" should be enough |
| 06:28.32 | kritzstapf | id like to install a http-proxy on my server, which one is easy to configure? :) |
| 06:28.40 | Sp4rKy | vroomfondel: ok |
| 06:29.06 | testis | kritzstapf: squid |
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| 06:29.19 | Edward_TLS | morning.. |
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| 06:29.36 | Edward_TLS | do you guys know if i can create a raid0 during install with latest etch.. ? |
| 06:30.08 | kritzstapf | testis: hm, squid or squid3? |
| 06:30.54 | Zap-W | can setfacl be used on a parent directory so that all created subdirs and files in a directory will automaticly have a specific mask? |
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| 06:31.31 | vroomfondel | kritical: Squid version 3 is the development code base at the moment. Code is still |
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| 06:31.37 | Jack_der_Rapper_ | hallo |
| 06:31.39 | Jack_der_Rapper_ | rio |
| 06:31.46 | vroomfondel | this is what apt-cache tells about squid3 |
| 06:32.08 | Jack_der_Rapper_ | sqrt 32 |
| 06:32.36 | vroomfondel | enlighting |
| 06:32.48 | testis | regarding my earier problem, FWIW, i got a year 2007 mobo (nvidia chipset) that has a freak MAC problem from 2003, and is theoretically already solved in module forcedeth . It's not. If you have the same issue, deleting the MAC parameter in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules works like a charm (if you have only one nic) |
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| 06:33.01 | gonzaloaf | hi, why do I receive this warning when compiling this? http://pastebin.ca/543859 (the warning is in the end) |
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| 06:33.58 | testis | #include <stdio.h> ? |
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| 06:37.49 | Gokee2 | I am trying to compile kvideoencoder and getting this msg "Checking for KDE includes...not found. Please install the KDE development packages, or try to set the KDE-Includes path with the commandline option --with-kde-includes" I installed kde-devel and it still says that. Any idea what the includes it wants are and were I can find them? Thanks |
| 06:37.55 | Sebboh | Question: how can limit the number of concurrent connections to the same server in the kio FTP thing? (The server doesn't accept more than one connection, so I get failures when I try to edit a document with kate, etc.) I'm using KDE 3.5.7. |
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| 06:38.40 | Gokee2 | cahoot, What would they be called? |
| 06:38.55 | Gokee2 | I thought the kde dev pack was the kde-devel thing? |
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| 06:39.01 | cahoot | Gokee2: I suspect something ending in -dev |
| 06:39.17 | cahoot | Gokee2: kedlibs-dev or such |
| 06:39.26 | bzed | Gokee2: reed config.log and find out, what configure really checked for, and isntall it |
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| 06:44.44 | Gokee2 | cahoot, I checked and I also have kdelibs4-dev installed |
| 06:45.33 | peterS | Gokee2: so do what bzed suggests |
| 06:45.45 | Gokee2 | I am trying |
| 06:45.53 | Gokee2 | I can`t seem to figure it out |
| 06:46.05 | bzed | put the last 100 lines in a pastebinm |
| 06:46.07 | Gokee2 | it seems to be looking for kapplication. |
| 06:48.35 | Gokee2 | http://paste.debian.net/29740 |
| 06:48.47 | Gokee2 | That is the part were it checks for kde includes |
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| 06:52.22 | bzed | Gokee2: use packages.debian.org or apt-file to figure out which package contains kapplication.h |
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| 06:54.49 | Gokee2 | libdevel/kdelibs4-dev |
| 06:54.59 | Gokee2 | But I already have this package |
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| 06:56.16 | Gokee2 | /usr/include/kde/kapplication.h I have it |
| 06:56.42 | bzed | kde_inc="$prefix/include/"; << did you specify a different prefix? |
| 06:57.10 | Gokee2 | I did nothing to prefix |
| 06:57.19 | Guerin | try #debian-kde |
| 06:57.22 | Gokee2 | But it works if I do ./configure --with-kde-includes /usr/include/kde/kapplication.h |
| 06:58.00 | bzed | ./configure --with-kde-includes /usr/include/kde << that should be the correct way |
| 06:58.26 | Gokee2 | Guerin, Thats a chan? cool... Although I am at my max chans right now I will try there next time I have kde problems |
| 06:58.29 | bzed | and yes, otherwise it searches for the kde includes in /usr/include |
| 06:58.42 | Gokee2 | bzed, Hmm ok |
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| 06:59.15 | Gokee2 | that should fix my next problem cc1plus: error: /usr/include/kde/kapplication.h: not a directory |
| 06:59.21 | Gokee2 | when trying to do make :) |
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| 07:07.13 | Guerin | Gokee2: no. #debian-kde is the correct place to ask about this. |
| 07:07.24 | Daejeo1 | http://www.pastebin.ca/543935 what is the problem? |
| 07:07.52 | Guerin | Daejeo1: 530 Permission denied. |
| 07:07.56 | Guerin | Daejeo1: google it |
| 07:08.10 | Guerin | Daejeo1: KERBEROS_V4 rejected as an authentication type |
| 07:08.18 | Guerin | that might also be a subtle hint |
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| 07:16.22 | Daejeo1 | got it |
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| 07:17.02 | vigneswari | hai all |
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| 07:18.10 | vigneswari | please help me in creating override file. any command is there to create? |
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| 07:21.05 | vigneswari | please help me in creating override file. any command is there to create? |
| 07:21.37 | Guerin | vigneswari: WTF is an override file |
| 07:21.41 | Guerin | ? |
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| 07:22.14 | vigneswari | Guerin, WTF? means |
| 07:22.28 | Guerin | !wtf |
| 07:22.39 | Guerin | vigneswari: it means `what the fuck' |
| 07:22.40 | dwu | Well, dpkg ain't dead, that much we know. |
| 07:22.42 | Guerin | as in |
| 07:22.54 | Guerin | what the fuck do you think you're trying to do |
| 07:22.55 | Guerin | ? |
| 07:23.46 | dwu | Guerin: Why're you putting your question marks on the next line? |
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| 07:24.02 | vigneswari | Guerin, i want to create a newcomponent in my repo as main. |
| 07:24.24 | cahoot | mean wtf are you putting your question marks on the next line? |
| 07:24.29 | vigneswari | Guerin, for that i need override file for my list of packages |
| 07:24.30 | liable | fat fingers |
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| 07:28.06 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:33.51 | g00se | Problems with SATA CD and Etch installer. Booted Ubuntu from CD - can i install Etch with it, maybe with USB stick (maybe non-bootable itself)? |
| 07:35.15 | epsilon | using debootstrap, yes |
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| 07:36.13 | epsilon | but you'll get really basic debian installation, not even capatble of booting itself unless you install kernel and bootloader |
| 07:36.18 | fengor | g00se: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 07:37.14 | g00se | fengor: thanks - didn't know that was covered |
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| 07:37.49 | kamoricks | New amarok says that it can't decode mp3s with xine? Why not? (lenny/unstable) |
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| 07:39.49 | tarzeau | g00se: try netboot |
| 07:40.02 | fengor | kamoricks: if you could give us the error message mayb someone here can help you |
| 07:40.04 | tarzeau | g00se: you could use cdebootstrap |
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| 07:40.13 | fengor | as it is now our crystal balls are kinda shrouded |
| 07:40.38 | fengor | but my guess would be that amarok maybe has some missing lib for mp3 |
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| 07:41.05 | g00se | tarzeau: Ah you're there! I know you suggested using netboot, but i don't like the idea of all those dependencies, plus tftpd would be on a Windows box |
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| 07:41.32 | fengor | does playing of mp3 files work in general just not with amarok? (probably a configuration issue then) or doesnt it work at all? (probably a missing library or something) |
| 07:41.43 | fengor | but as i said without a more information its wild guessing |
| 07:42.05 | fengor | -a |
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| 07:47.07 | kamoricks | Nevermind, got it solved in #amarok |
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| 07:52.28 | demo_N | when i give exec xinit xterm -- /usr/X11R6/bin/X :1 -layout tv |
| 07:52.29 | demo_N | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.52 | demo_N | i get this error Xlib: connection to ":1.0" refused by server |
| 07:52.53 | demo_N | Xlib: No protocol specified |
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| 07:59.08 | tarzeau | g00se: so? |
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| 07:59.44 | g00se | tarzeau: well windoze means more complexity |
| 08:00.29 | demo_N | windoze is the easiest OS to use |
| 08:00.35 | tarzeau | not complexity, just more work |
| 08:00.38 | tarzeau | g00se: not really |
| 08:01.20 | g00se | OK. Since my USB stick seems unbootable, it's the only option i've left anyway ;-) |
| 08:01.28 | tarzeau | great :) |
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| 08:05.36 | pearl | hm |
| 08:06.09 | pearl | does anybody know how to run a command directly after i logged in about xdm? iam using wmaker i want to run pypanel after logini |
| 08:06.55 | tarzeau | pearl: yes |
| 08:07.00 | tarzeau | pearl: for you or all users? |
| 08:07.10 | pearl | all users |
| 08:07.18 | pearl | you can tell me both ways :D |
| 08:07.23 | tarzeau | pearl: check /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 08:07.41 | tarzeau | pearl: for users ~/.xsession |
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| 08:08.55 | pearl | tarzeau: i already tried ~/.xsession |
| 08:08.57 | pearl | that dont work |
| 08:09.07 | demo_N | How do i open a new X window with an xterm running in it? |
| 08:09.07 | pearl | and i cant see how i should do it in Xsession.d |
| 08:09.29 | pearl | demo_N: type xterm& in the xterm |
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| 08:09.58 | demo_N | pear: I need it on a diffrent display |
| 08:09.58 | tarzeau | pearl: look in the example files in Xsession.d |
| 08:10.21 | roxy_ | Hi, I am trying to install opengl. I can find a lot of binding to it but not opengl itself . Is there a .deb for opengl ? |
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| 08:10.39 | pearl | tarzeau: ive already looked in it |
| 08:10.58 | pearl | this file is sourced by xsession, not executed |
| 08:11.02 | pearl | third line |
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| 08:13.43 | roxy_ | dpkg talks about vesa but a web pages says to install mesa ... what is the difference |
| 08:13.44 | dpkg | roxy_: that's too long |
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| 08:14.46 | pearl | tarzeau: all this solutions dont work |
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| 08:16.53 | xjkx | HI, i installed vnctightserver...it runs fine but why the hell my keyboard isnt configured when i run with the vncviewer ??? if i run locally its configured -.- |
| 08:17.05 | tarzeau | pearl: works for me. you use xdm, no? |
| 08:17.20 | pearl | i use xdm, yes |
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| 08:17.38 | pearl | tarzeau: so i believe i do something false |
| 08:17.45 | pearl | tell me details :P |
| 08:17.55 | tarzeau | pearl: i use wdm, maybe xdm do something different, no idea |
| 08:17.57 | pearl | i tried pypanel& in |
| 08:18.00 | VncViwierProblem | :< |
| 08:18.19 | pearl | i tried pypanel& ~/.xsession |
| 08:18.36 | pearl | after login display go black and i should login again |
| 08:18.53 | pearl | .xinitrc in the home with pypanel& do nothing |
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| 08:21.32 | pearl | and Xsession.d, i dont understand anything in this existing files |
| 08:21.43 | pearl | this are not example files |
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| 08:23.05 | pearl | i need help |
| 08:23.10 | pearl | any solutions? |
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| 08:25.45 | Supaplex | !tell pearl -about ask |
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| 08:26.10 | Supaplex | well, I guess I don't have this box on the ups. *pout* |
| 08:26.34 | pearl | what the hell Supaplex? |
| 08:26.45 | pearl | Supaplex: i already explained my problen |
| 08:26.49 | nwonknu- | hey |
| 08:26.53 | pearl | s/problen/problem/ |
| 08:26.54 | taigeR_ | hi |
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| 08:27.05 | pearl | Supaplex: i already explained my problen <= |
| 08:27.36 | Supaplex | my bad. backlog disappears between reboots. :`( |
| 08:27.47 | pearl | iam using xdm and wmaker and i want to run pypanel directly after login with xdm |
| 08:28.23 | pearl | i tried ~/.xsession with entrys pypanel and pypanel&, nothing work |
| 08:28.31 | Supaplex | !.xinitrc |
| 08:28.31 | dpkg | [.xinitrc] actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1) |
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| 08:28.42 | sayi | hi everybody |
| 08:28.44 | metbsd | anyone use rsync? |
| 08:28.52 | pearl | i tried ~/.xinitrx with entry pypanel and pypanel&, nothing work |
| 08:28.53 | sayi | how can i downgrade php version on debian etch ? |
| 08:28.53 | pearl | .xinitrc even |
| 08:28.58 | metbsd | or rsnapshot? |
| 08:28.58 | taigeR_ | ?? |
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| 08:29.15 | Supaplex | metbsd: rsync yes, rsnapshot "soon" |
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| 08:29.31 | Supaplex | !tell sayi -about downgrade |
| 08:29.34 | pearl | Supaplex: thats wrong |
| 08:29.35 | metbsd | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] |
| 08:29.35 | metbsd | > rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(453) |
| 08:29.43 | cydork | !anyone use rsync |
| 08:29.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses rsync, not even the people who use it. |
| 08:29.58 | metbsd | i don't know what's causing this |
| 08:30.02 | metbsd | and i need to fix it |
| 08:30.02 | sayi | Supaplex, i want downgrade php version to 5.1.3 |
| 08:30.03 | pearl | Supaplex: if i create an .xsession in the home and write in pypanel or pypanel&, after login the display goes black and i should login again |
| 08:30.07 | pearl | thats not correct |
| 08:30.07 | Supaplex | pearl: fixes welcome. let us know what works? |
| 08:30.23 | pearl | where should i know that from? lol |
| 08:30.25 | Supaplex | yes I get it, it's not working for you |
| 08:30.26 | pearl | nothing works |
| 08:30.34 | Supaplex | I'm lost |
| 08:30.45 | Supaplex | try the man page? |
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| 08:31.17 | sayi | thankx. |
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| 08:32.18 | bullgard4 | What is the purpose of the Unix user group 'netdev'? |
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| 08:36.35 | tarzeau | metbsd: does it run an rsync server, rsh or ssh? |
| 08:36.48 | metbsd | ssh |
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| 08:40.48 | jindal | hello guys, how can caching of network routes be controlled(expiration time)? |
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| 08:42.44 | eth01 | how do i update my 3.1 system/ |
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| 08:43.24 | tarzeau | metbsd: it's running rly? |
| 08:43.28 | tarzeau | eth01: the manuals say how |
| 08:43.33 | tarzeau | jindal: what exactly? |
| 08:43.44 | metbsd | rly? |
| 08:43.50 | metbsd | what's that |
| 08:44.13 | eth01 | 2.6.9-023stab040.1-smp << is that the latest version? |
| 08:44.16 | tarzeau | !RLY |
| 08:44.36 | tarzeau | eth01: no way |
| 08:44.43 | pearl | tarzeau: with the black display and relogin, same if just .xsession exist with no entrys :o)) |
| 08:44.46 | tarzeau | dpkg rly is really |
| 08:44.47 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 08:45.08 | eth01 | can i upgrade to etch via command line? |
| 08:45.12 | tarzeau | eth01: yes |
| 08:45.13 | pearl | sure |
| 08:45.25 | pearl | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y |
| 08:45.29 | pearl | hm |
| 08:45.29 | eth01 | k thx |
| 08:45.38 | tarzeau | pearl: no |
| 08:45.45 | tarzeau | pearl: dist-upgrades work different |
| 08:45.45 | pearl | tarzeau: i tried with wdm, same thing |
| 08:45.48 | eth01 | its keeping packages back |
| 08:46.07 | tarzeau | eth01: did you put them on hold? did you read the manual? |
| 08:46.14 | eth01 | no i didn't |
| 08:46.18 | eth01 | there released lol |
| 08:46.26 | tarzeau | eth01: you can put those names into the apt-get install command to get them anyways |
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| 08:47.31 | eth01 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 93 not upgraded. |
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| 08:47.57 | tarzeau | eth01: what's one of the 93 not upgraded? do you know apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 08:48.02 | fant0mas | Hi. I need to configure simple billing system for users accessing the internet via my router. Are there free solutions on debian? |
| 08:48.09 | jindal | tarzeau, I have setup multipath routing through two different ISPs but routes are cached and load balancing doesn't work.. |
| 08:48.39 | pearl | fant0mas: yes |
| 08:49.03 | fant0mas | pearl: ok, which one do you recommend? |
| 08:49.27 | pearl | do u want to build a router with debian? |
| 08:49.42 | fant0mas | pearl: sure, it is the router |
| 08:49.57 | pearl | so whats wrong? lol |
| 08:50.23 | fant0mas | I don't want to deep into scripting if there are ready solutions :) |
| 08:50.23 | tarzeau | pearl, fant0mas i should put that on www.bash.org |
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| 08:50.36 | pearl | tarzeau: lol :D |
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| 08:50.52 | fant0mas | tarzeau: :) |
| 08:51.04 | pearl | fant0mas: there are no finished solutions i think, u have to build it |
| 08:51.36 | fant0mas | pearl: looks doubtful ;) |
| 08:52.02 | pearl | fant0mas: www.fli4l.de |
| 08:52.03 | pearl | or .com |
| 08:52.14 | pearl | google.com=>fli4l |
| 08:52.23 | pearl | thats a ready to use router |
| 08:52.26 | pearl | on one disk |
| 08:52.29 | eth01 | okay i have done the dist upgrade.. went well... ? |
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| 08:53.29 | Area-51 | i'm trying to figure out how to monitor the status of my adaptec 3210s raid controller... raidutils doesn't seem to read it -- I get "Engine connect failed: COMPATIBILITY number osdIOrequest : File /dev/dpti17 Could Not Be Opened" when running "raidutils -L all" |
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| 08:53.46 | ^rob^ | hello |
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| 08:56.05 | ^rob^ | is there any method to stop all packages that is addressed to pudlaquercianticahav@laquerciantica.com -- someone keep trying to send spam with that address from my server - it's going so since last week - and eat my bandwith... |
| 08:56.37 | ^rob^ | RCPT from mx1.aball.de[212.76.144.42]: |
| 08:56.38 | derjohn | Area-51, maybe smartmontools ?Anyway: Adaptec is evil for the closed hardware docs/specs ! |
| 08:56.45 | tarzeau | ^rob^: 1st your nick sucks. 2nd comes from same ip? |
| 08:56.49 | ^rob^ | addresses changes |
| 08:56.54 | ^rob^ | no |
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| 08:57.02 | tarzeau | ^rob^: not much you can do about it sorry |
| 08:57.03 | Area-51 | smartmontools doesn't monitor raid status, only smart status, heh |
| 08:57.15 | ^rob^ | tarzeau: was the only one available |
| 08:57.23 | ^rob^ | tarzeau: the nick |
| 08:57.34 | tarzeau | !nickometer ^rob^ |
| 08:57.35 | dpkg | '^rob^' is 26.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 08:58.03 | ^rob^ | tarzeau: great - i am lame - so? what can you do about that? |
| 08:58.34 | tarzeau | ^rob^: nick completion gets very bad for people who try to help you |
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| 08:58.52 | tarzeau | ^rob^: that is the main reason why nicknames like yours are lame. it's not you who is lame, just your nick |
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| 08:59.03 | tarzeau | ^rob^: 10:56 < tarzeau> ^rob^: 1st your nick sucks. |
| 08:59.05 | ^rob^ | tarzeau: untill you - nobody complained - maybe you have to change your irc client |
| 08:59.06 | petemc | ^rob^: exim can reject mail at rcpt to: time, so you could reject messages to that address before the body is sent |
| 08:59.06 | derjohn | Area-51, you assume that from the name? I would check that. quote: Several developers are porting smartmontools to FreeBSD, Darwin and Solaris, and we recently have added extensions to allow smartmontools to monitor and control the ATA disks behind 3ware RAID controllers. .. |
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| 08:59.17 | tarzeau | ^rob^: until me, who else tried to help you? |
| 08:59.20 | Kurmens | HI all, please come http://ngg.gamerx.lv/signup.php and register in one of best Latvian CSS portal ! Need 500 reg. users to get ostcom.lv sponsor !! |
| 08:59.31 | dwu | tarzeau: Go you ;) |
| 08:59.33 | tarzeau | ^rob^: maybe better if i don't help you, like the others |
| 08:59.36 | tarzeau | dwu: :) |
| 08:59.44 | Shadur | rob: You may have noticed that nobody's very interested in helping you either. |
| 08:59.45 | derjohn | Area-51, of course you wont be able to hotadd/remove , but you asked for monitor .... |
| 08:59.46 | ^rob^ | tarzeau: lol - i am not the first time here - so ... |
| 09:00.03 | Shadur | Kurmens: What, precisely, does this have to do with Debian? |
| 09:00.15 | tarzeau | 11:00 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from ^rob^: Kopete IRC Plugin 0.12.3 [http://kopete.kde.org] |
| 09:00.18 | ^rob^ | Shadur: interesting - when i help others nobody complain |
| 09:00.19 | tarzeau | and HE tells me to change irc client |
| 09:00.26 | Kurmens | HI all, please come http://ngg.gamerx.lv/signup.php and register in one of best Latvian CSS portal ! Need 500 reg. users to get ostcom.lv sponsor !! |
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| 09:00.45 | tarzeau | !ops Kurmens is an url spammer |
| 09:00.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tarzeau complains about: Kurmens is an url spammer |
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| 09:00.47 | Area-51 | derjohn: raid status, not hard drive status... i want to know how the rebuild of the raid5 array is coming, if i wanted smart status i would have installed smartmontools already |
| 09:00.48 | Shadur | Ãh, so you're just spamming. Any ops awake? |
| 09:00.53 | Kurmens | Plesae all come reg http://ngg.gamerx.lv/signup.php need 500 users to GET big SPONSOR pleaze if isnt hard go and reg |
| 09:01.06 | tarzeau | Kurmens: get a big KICKBAN in your asshole |
| 09:01.10 | Shadur | Kurmens: Go the hell away please. We don't like spammers here. |
| 09:01.39 | SlayerXP | Kurmens: welcome to my web proxy's filter |
| 09:01.53 | derjohn | Area-51, then you probably should fetch adapatec binariy tools from the website. (RPM only, at least last time I checked for the 2410SA crap) |
| 09:01.53 | ^rob^ | tarzeau: type ^r and press tab - i am the only one... what client do you use? |
| 09:01.56 | Kurmens | Plesae all come reg http://ngg.gamerx.lv/signup.php need 500 users to GET big SPONSOR pleaze if isnt hard go and reg , sort for SPAM |
| 09:02.23 | tarzeau | ^rob^: you can find out yourself what client i have |
| 09:02.23 | cafuego | !ops Kurmens is a spammer |
| 09:02.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cafuego complains about: Kurmens is a spammer |
| 09:02.25 | Shadur | Kurmens: If you really are sorry for spamming, *why haven't you stopped doing it?* |
| 09:02.36 | simonrvn | Area-51: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 09:02.44 | Kurmens | because i neded 500 users |
| 09:02.46 | cafuego | Kurmens is spamming a whole bunch of channels. |
| 09:02.49 | Kurmens | i need to get that sponsor |
| 09:02.54 | tarzeau | cafuego: report to #freenode ? |
| 09:02.55 | simonrvn | Kurmens: go fuck yourself, please and thank you |
| 09:02.55 | ^rob^ | tarzeau: and btw - i haven't seen the ^*^ deny nick rule in the irc rules... so if you have your own rules - make your own irc server |
| 09:02.56 | derjohn | simonrvn, for a hardware-raid ?? |
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| 09:03.03 | Shadur | Kurmens: And you won't get anyone here. Not after the way you spammed the entire server. |
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| 09:03.11 | Shadur | Kurmens: Now *go the hell away*. |
| 09:03.14 | simonrvn | oh i just joined, didn't see that |
| 09:03.15 | fant0mas | pearl: I appreciate your help with router, but I need a billing system: something which counts traffic for vpn sessions and preferably has web interface both for users and admins |
| 09:03.22 | Area-51 | simonrvn: doesn't exist |
| 09:03.24 | samesame | Kurmens: i hate you |
| 09:03.33 | RichiH | Kurmens: please stop this |
| 09:03.34 | derjohn | simonrvn, Area-51 sure, you could try to setup a softraid using each disk on the adaptec "singular" ... |
| 09:03.34 | tarzeau | samesame: but different? the restaurant? |
| 09:03.36 | fant0mas | pearl: I already have my router configured |
| 09:03.42 | tarzeau | RichiH: please just kickban him already |
| 09:03.56 | tarzeau | RichiH: he was told so more than 3 time already |
| 09:03.58 | Area-51 | derjohn: why would i setup softraid when I have a hardware raid controller already in a raid5 array? heh.. stupid |
| 09:04.04 | simonrvn | RichiH: he's spamming stuff all over the place |
| 09:04.08 | Kurmens | sorry friends for spam i really sorry, but i need really those users to end of Jun, or i will miss this great chance, i dont know where else go to make reclam of web |
| 09:04.10 | tarzeau | Kurmens: FUCK OFF |
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| 09:04.14 | Shadur | RichiH: Not only that, he apologised and then *kept doing it anyway* |
| 09:04.18 | tarzeau | where the ops when you need them? |
| 09:04.26 | simonrvn | Kurmens: it's a scam. get over it |
| 09:04.26 | RichiH | Kurmens: spam is off topic on freenode |
| 09:04.32 | tarzeau | RichiH: WE KNOW! |
| 09:04.33 | derjohn | Area-51, I just commented simonrvn idea to look into /proc/mdstat which only exists with linux softraid. |
| 09:04.34 | ^rob^ | Kurmens: then go nicely and ask this on other channel |
| 09:04.41 | samesame | Kurmens: i hope you MISS your great chance u lewser |
| 09:04.44 | RichiH | ^rob^: no ;) |
| 09:04.49 | tarzeau | RichiH: there are irc rules, and #debian rules, no need to explaint hem nicely to every asshole |
| 09:04.59 | tarzeau | RichiH: do you reply to every spam mail too, please don't do that? |
| 09:05.11 | Kurmens | shame on you people, that is so hard to help people? |
| 09:05.11 | RichiH | tarzeau: the difference is that i can talk to him, not to spammers |
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| 09:05.33 | tarzeau | RichiH: he's an asshole, and you're annoying 700 other users |
| 09:05.39 | RichiH | Kurmens: are you willing to stop spamming on all of freenode and just chat nicely? |
| 09:05.45 | tarzeau | RichiH: you have ops? fix it already, !ops was called twice already |
| 09:05.47 | simonrvn | Kurmens: you're stuck in a scam. get out of it. either that, or you're a willing participant. either way, it's crap |
| 09:05.52 | blackba55 | hi .... how do i keep my kernel for stop being updated when i do apt-get upgrade ? |
| 09:05.54 | tarzeau | RichiH: no he's not. |
| 09:06.02 | Shadur | Kurmens: Helping people, sure. Helping *you*, no. Now go the hell away. |
| 09:06.02 | simonrvn | now for a nice /ignore |
| 09:06.10 | samesame | Kurmens: im going to DoS your site so u cant take anymore users |
| 09:06.15 | Shadur | blackba55: Use a custom-built kernel |
| 09:06.30 | tarzeau | simonrvn: like the police to the murderer "please stop shooting at me" |
| 09:06.32 | Shadur | samesame: Shut up, please, you're not helping any either. |
| 09:06.33 | simonrvn | aah peace at least |
| 09:06.38 | simonrvn | last* |
| 09:06.42 | samesame | ok |
| 09:06.45 | claudio` | Does PAM is enabled by default? |
| 09:06.46 | xand | Shadur: wrong |
| 09:07.05 | xand | blackba55: kernel is not upgraded by apt-get upgrade |
| 09:07.10 | simonrvn | tarzeau: no not the same. now you too please be quiet |
| 09:07.11 | Kurmens | i dont whana see you more :D you are bad people i wanted better, but ghetted only fuck fuck fuck |
| 09:07.16 | ^rob^ | blackba55: you can also add in /etc/apt/prefferences that you don't want to upgrade that package |
| 09:07.28 | simonrvn | one f |
| 09:07.33 | Shadur | xand: It is if there's a new debian version of the same kernel version, it will. |
| 09:07.35 | SlayerXP | can we _all_ now please PACK IT IN. |
| 09:07.37 | SlayerXP | thankyou. |
| 09:07.41 | ^rob^ | blackba55: here's an example - i don't want to upgrade pound... |
| 09:07.44 | ^rob^ | Package: pound |
| 09:07.44 | ^rob^ | Pin: version 1.8.2-1* |
| 09:07.44 | ^rob^ | Pin-Priority: 1001 |
| 09:07.47 | endra | like a flower bending in the breeze, bend with me, sway with ease, when we dance you have a way with me, stay with me, sway with mee |
| 09:08.01 | Area-51 | hah, my raid5 array finially finished rebuilding :P |
| 09:08.10 | xand | Shadur: in which case it doesn't matter... |
| 09:08.21 | simonrvn | Area-51: just need something else to think about ;p |
| 09:08.32 | samesame | with RAID configurations, is RAID the format, or can u have a FAT32 RAID 5 ? |
| 09:08.33 | simonrvn | needed* |
| 09:08.35 | ^rob^ | blackba55: got it? |
| 09:08.53 | SlayerXP | samesame: RAID happens at a lower level than the filesystem |
| 09:08.55 | simonrvn | samesame: it's a *disk* array |
| 09:08.59 | samesame | ok |
| 09:09.05 | blackba55 | ^rob^: ok .. got it |
| 09:09.06 | SlayerXP | samesame: you can have any filesystem you like on a RAID set |
| 09:09.06 | blackba55 | thx |
| 09:09.09 | samesame | so u still need a file system |
| 09:09.11 | Shadur | It won't upgrade a kernel from, say, 2.6.17 to 2.6.18, but it will upgrade, say, linux-image-2.6.21-1-486 from 2.6.21-2 to 2.6.21-4 |
| 09:09.13 | samesame | ok |
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| 09:09.42 | blackba55 | Shadur: that's what i need .... |
| 09:09.55 | Shadur | xand: Perhaps, perhaps not. Depends on what he meant with not wanting the kernel updated. |
| 09:09.55 | blackba55 | everything related to kernel .. stop beign upgraded |
| 09:10.08 | ^rob^ | blackba55: what's your kernel version? |
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| 09:10.11 | xand | Shadur: suggesting installing a custom kernel on debian is just wrong |
| 09:10.16 | tixxtaxx | when using the time cmd, to time execution of a another cmd.. the output is real x secs, user y secs, sys z secs... what does that mean? should i add them all to get total time, or is real the total time? man time does not say |
| 09:10.23 | blackba55 | i use ndiswrapper ... and it uses those files ... if i upgrade them ... it won't work anymore |
| 09:10.25 | Shadur | xand: Using kernel-package is wrong? |
| 09:10.27 | hark | hold the package, don't install the kernel metapackage |
| 09:10.29 | tarzeau | i wish freenode had /votekickban like gamesrvers |
| 09:10.33 | simonrvn | xand: depends on the skill level of the person in question i think |
| 09:10.42 | Shadur | tarzeau: I don't. |
| 09:10.46 | ^rob^ | blackba55: just add those packages in prefferences - ;) |
| 09:11.00 | xand | simonrvn: in this case it's wrong |
| 09:11.02 | Shadur | tarzeau: We've got enough problems with botnets on IRC as it is. |
| 09:11.08 | xand | ^rob^: only one r! |
| 09:11.15 | simonrvn | i'd have to agree, with this person |
| 09:11.19 | simonrvn | and 1 f |
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| 09:11.27 | ^rob^ | xand: oops - sorry my mistake |
| 09:11.38 | xand | erm, f yes |
| 09:12.18 | simonrvn | teehee |
| 09:12.39 | blackba55 | my kernel is 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 09:13.34 | simonrvn | i'm tired of zombies trying to connect ... |
| 09:13.52 | samesame | i wonder where linux will be with kernel 3.X.X |
| 09:14.02 | Shadur | blackba55: Last ndiswrapper package I'm seeing on sid is for 2.6.8 |
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| 09:15.07 | Shadur | The best way to do it would be to use ndiswrapper-source, kernel-package and the source for your preferred kernel version to build your own linux-image and ndiswrapper packages, but that might be a bit over your head at this point. |
| 09:15.31 | bullgard4 | What is the purpose of the group 'netdev'? |
| 09:15.33 | Shadur | It's not difficult, but it's not exactly trivial either. |
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| 09:19.25 | eth01 | how do i upgrade to etch? |
| 09:19.45 | simonrvn | upgrade to etch? |
| 09:19.59 | simonrvn | you're not on etch already? :P |
| 09:20.06 | mazzanet | :P |
| 09:20.21 | eth01 | nope |
| 09:20.23 | eth01 | how i do it |
| 09:20.25 | hark | eth01: /topic |
| 09:20.28 | simonrvn | sarge? |
| 09:20.33 | simonrvn | yes see topic |
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| 09:20.50 | eth01 | ya |
| 09:20.54 | eth01 | i dunno what version |
| 09:20.58 | eth01 | 3.1 minimal |
| 09:21.01 | eth01 | ya |
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| 09:21.15 | hark | yes that's sarge :) |
| 09:21.16 | simonrvn | dpkg: tell eth01 about sarge->etch |
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| 09:26.33 | xivulon | Hi all, do you know what syctl.conf vm.dirty* parameters/values to use in order to improve filesystem robustness (under frequent hard reboot scenario) |
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| 09:29.20 | M0rzilla | hey |
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| 09:29.26 | M0rzilla | how do i restart X ? |
| 09:29.37 | M0rzilla | or stop it ? |
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| 09:30.13 | mrlnwzrd | morzilla: startx |
| 09:30.23 | M0rzilla | thats to start it |
| 09:30.30 | M0rzilla | then it says already started |
| 09:30.43 | xand | how did you start it to begin with? using a display manager? |
| 09:30.48 | M0rzilla | i need a restart to test new settings |
| 09:31.06 | M0rzilla | it start on system boot |
| 09:31.13 | mrlnwzrd | morzilla:killall gdm |
| 09:31.17 | M0rzilla | for gdm or whatever logon manager |
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| 09:31.33 | xand | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 09:31.35 | cahoot | invoke-rc.d gdm restart? |
| 09:31.36 | M0rzilla | mrlnwzrd can i allso killall X ? |
| 09:31.37 | xand | or stop, etc |
| 09:31.44 | xand | dont use killall |
| 09:32.03 | M0rzilla | k thkx |
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| 09:33.22 | M0rzilla | and how would i kill X when im logged in ? |
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| 09:33.44 | cahoot | invoke-rc.d gdm stop |
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| 09:33.57 | pmjdebruijn | is there a package for that? |
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| 09:36.20 | nslater | I have a package that installs documentation with install-docs. I can see from running install-docs in debug mode that it is updating scrollkeeper. Yelp doesn't show me the documentation though - where should I be looking? |
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| 09:45.49 | jerome | since tetex change, my muttprint is pretty borked. Any quick idea / link to correct the ugly font rendering ? |
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| 09:50.29 | yang-- | could someone hep me resolve gprs error - http://paste.debian.net/29752 |
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| 09:51.18 | ttl_work | greetings all |
| 09:52.39 | ttl_work | i would be very grateful with some advice about a problem i'm having |
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| 09:52.44 | disposable | if i can't use 'use secure authentication' option in thunderbird, but i do have imap over ssl enabled, does that mean my username and password are transmitted in plaintext? |
| 09:52.52 | ttl_work | I'm trying to search for certain file type and copy them to a specified location... |
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| 09:53.10 | petemc | disposable: is the imap server listening on port 993 ? |
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| 09:53.26 | nslater | ttl_work, find DIRECTORY -name PATTERN -exec COMMAND {} \; |
| 09:53.35 | blackba55 | how to i stop MTA from boot time ? ... it takes a lot of time |
| 09:53.40 | ttl_work | Those files in some case contain spaces and this seems to be the cause of the problem |
| 09:53.45 | nslater | ttl_work, where {} is the file name place holder |
| 09:54.12 | nslater | ttl_work, example: find . -name *.py -exec cp {} /mnt/foo \; |
| 09:54.35 | disposable | petemc, thank you i already have the answer. |
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| 09:54.52 | ttl_work | nslater: ok thanks my problem was the fact i was trying it with a for looping |
| 09:55.03 | rpetre | hello, what is the preferred way to create a nfsroot for diskless clients in etch? i see lessdisks is no longer in etch (and ltsp-* is a bit bloated for a cluster, but it'll do if there's no better alternative) |
| 09:55.09 | nslater | ttl_work, in that case you can just use "" marks. |
| 09:55.11 | petemc | find . -name foo | (while read; do cp "$REPLY" /place/ ; done) |
| 09:55.14 | petemc | handles spaces |
| 09:55.21 | ttl_work | nslater: and the for looping did not interpret the spaces like a wanted :-) |
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| 09:56.23 | rpetre | petemc: i remember find | xargs had a -print0 trick that handled all "weird" chars |
| 09:56.28 | petemc | right |
| 09:56.45 | rpetre | better, safer, truer :) |
| 09:57.35 | petemc | eh? |
| 09:57.53 | nslater | I get it. |
| 09:58.15 | petemc | very proud o ya |
| 09:58.17 | rpetre | any hints on my etch/lessdisks issue? |
| 09:58.20 | nslater | Thanks. |
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| 10:06.17 | pearl | tarzeau: now my wmaker starts after login with an .xsession in my home, first i have to write wmaker or exec wmaker in the .xsession file |
| 10:06.25 | hackmiker | is there a way to remove libraries that don't provide for any other package (not depended upon) |
| 10:06.26 | pearl | but no way to execute pypanel |
| 10:06.40 | pearl | tried it before exec wmaker in the .xsession, after it, no way :/ |
| 10:06.48 | nacer | theyre is somethink for view a chagelog of debian pacakge with download the source ? |
| 10:06.50 | petemc | hackmiker: deborphan, debfoster |
| 10:07.38 | tarzeau | pearl: exec wmaker |
| 10:07.39 | hackmiker | thanks |
| 10:07.46 | pearl | tarzeau: yes |
| 10:07.51 | pearl | tarzeau: just wmaker does work too |
| 10:07.59 | tarzeau | pearl: but exec wmaker is better |
| 10:08.17 | pearl | but whatever i do with pypanel, exec pypanel & or pypanel & |
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| 10:08.21 | pearl | nothing works |
| 10:09.15 | tarzeau | pearl: dunno what pypanel is, maybe utterly broken? before exec wmaker, without exec, without & ? |
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| 10:09.45 | pearl | tarzeau: all tried, nothing works |
| 10:09.53 | pearl | tarzeau: if iam already in wmaker it works |
| 10:09.57 | pearl | if i start it about the menu |
| 10:10.03 | tarzeau | pearl: dunno really |
| 10:10.06 | pearl | tarzeau: pypanel is a python based panel |
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| 10:11.01 | tarzeau | pearl: do you know objective-c ? |
| 10:11.01 | tarzeau | pearl: and gnustep, fits great to wmaker |
| 10:11.17 | pearl | fbpanel and fspanel sucks |
| 10:11.19 | pearl | buggy |
| 10:11.26 | pearl | so all i can use is pypanel |
| 10:11.28 | fuzan | Anyone here use David Turner's Xft/Cairo patches? |
| 10:11.40 | fuzan | pearl: try the xfce panel |
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| 10:12.21 | tarzeau | pearl: i don't know what py,fb,fs panels are |
| 10:13.02 | pearl | tarzeau: panels |
| 10:13.12 | pearl | dont know the sense of the word "panel"? |
| 10:13.12 | pearl | lol |
| 10:13.18 | tarzeau | penis |
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| 10:13.50 | pearl | its like in windows, the thing where the start button is, and where u can navigate through the windows |
| 10:13.51 | tarzeau | pearl: yes i know what panels are, can you show a screenshot or software url? |
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| 10:13.53 | pearl | thats a panel |
| 10:14.05 | tarzeau | pearl: you know windowmaker has a menu? apt-get install menu |
| 10:14.24 | pearl | apt-get install menu just install a C library |
| 10:14.30 | tarzeau | pearl: http://www.dansdata.com/images/digiqtanks/panel560.jpg |
| 10:14.36 | tarzeau | pearl: then update-menus, |
| 10:14.37 | pearl | menu.h, for developing menus |
| 10:14.47 | tarzeau | pearl: no no, it has the menu integration of debian |
| 10:14.51 | tarzeau | pearl: that wmaker also uses |
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| 10:17.48 | hwilde | does anybody know what this ssh debug error means? debug1: An invalid name was supplied; A parameter was malformed; Validation error |
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| 10:30.09 | seppuka78 | hwilde: tcp wrapper issue? |
| 10:30.18 | seppuka78 | check /etc/hosts.allow |
| 10:30.25 | seppuka78 | and /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 10:32.44 | hwilde | seppuka78, /etc/hosts.allow and .deny are empty (all commented out) |
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| 10:33.25 | bullgard4 | What is the purpose of the group 'netdev'? |
| 10:33.30 | petemc | hwilde: if you havent tried it already, i generally find sticking an error message into google to be the most effective way to troubleshoot.. |
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| 10:33.56 | Shadur | petemc: And failing that, grepping the program source for the error message, then backtracking. :) |
| 10:34.29 | petemc | well, thats only useful for some people, but aye.. :) |
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| 10:36.47 | metbsd | is there command like nslookup |
| 10:36.53 | metbsd | in default debian installation |
| 10:37.08 | revil | hi guys.. I have linux-kernel-headers installed, but /usr/src/linux points to a nonexsting directory.. |
| 10:37.32 | petemc | metbsd: aptitude install dnsutils (im not sure whats in the base) |
| 10:38.11 | metbsd | can i not install it? |
| 10:38.24 | metbsd | i try my best not to touch the system. it's a server |
| 10:38.36 | petemc | metbsd: what do you think "aptitude install dnsutils" does? |
| 10:38.48 | metbsd | i think it will install something to it |
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| 10:38.58 | petemc | right |
| 10:39.16 | revil | what package should I install, or.. should i reistall something? |
| 10:39.52 | metbsd | i rather install bind9 instead of dnsutils? |
| 10:39.54 | metbsd | but then |
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| 10:40.18 | petemc | metbsd: what are you talking about? |
| 10:40.31 | metbsd | i only want that dig command |
| 10:40.37 | petemc | install dnsutils |
| 10:40.48 | petemc | why is that so hard to grasp? |
| 10:41.32 | metbsd | after install that, how do i uninstall it and its depencies |
| 10:41.43 | metbsd | such as libbind9 libdns22 libisc11 |
| 10:41.53 | SlayerXP | metbsd: the same way you uninstall anything else |
| 10:41.53 | petemc | aptitude remove dnsutils |
| 10:42.14 | metbsd | can i just apt-get install dnsutils? |
| 10:42.19 | metbsd | and aptitude remove it later |
| 10:42.34 | petemc | metbsd: you can, but apt-get remove wont remove dependancies |
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| 10:42.43 | SlayerXP | metbsd: call me rash and radical, but why not try it? |
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| 10:43.16 | metbsd | because it's a fucking server, i don't want to take responsiblity of breaking it, someone got fired because of broken server down time |
| 10:43.17 | tarzeau | what was that small x server called again? |
| 10:43.39 | petemc | metbsd: you wont fucking break your fucking server by fucking installing fucking dnsutils |
| 10:43.42 | fengor | xs? |
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| 10:44.04 | metbsd | it's not my server anyway, i don't care |
| 10:44.13 | petemc | contrary to what you just said |
| 10:44.17 | the_lalelu | moin |
| 10:44.42 | frank | maybe the company should hire someone, who knows what he does |
| 10:44.48 | petemc | theres an idea |
| 10:45.04 | fengor | hmm what do they pay? ^^ |
| 10:45.33 | metbsd | alright i did that :) |
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| 10:48.30 | blackba55 | An author is a fool who, not content with boring those he lives with, insists on boring future generations. |
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| 10:49.26 | fengor | blackba55: and that means for debian? |
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| 10:49.40 | tarzeau | !X |
| 10:50.58 | blackba55 | lol .... nothing .... but i didn't think that this channel is a debian addict ..... |
| 10:52.03 | fengor | well ppl prefer to keep it on the topic of debian here. for offtopic related stuff there is #debian-offtopic |
| 10:52.13 | metbsd | debian don't even 'whois' command |
| 10:52.33 | tarzeau | metbsd: apt-get install whois |
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| 10:53.21 | kensho | hi |
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| 10:55.15 | seppuka78 | metbsd: why are they using debian as a server anyway |
| 10:55.31 | metbsd | i don't know! i never bother asking |
| 10:55.36 | petemc | why wouldnt they? |
| 10:55.36 | metbsd | i don't care too |
| 10:55.58 | metbsd | they installed debian for mail and dns shit |
| 10:56.10 | seppuka78 | that's too bad |
| 10:56.21 | petemc | seppuka78: why is it bad? |
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| 10:56.36 | metbsd | yes, why bad? |
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| 10:56.56 | SlayerXP | those who fail to understand debian are condemned to reimplement it, badly. |
| 10:57.07 | SlayerXP | hence gentoo, and unbuntoo |
| 10:57.19 | petemc | ive got no problem with ubuntu... |
| 10:57.22 | seppuka78 | guess I spoke out of line |
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| 10:57.38 | hwilde | SlayerXP, that is a unix quote... |
| 10:57.54 | SlayerXP | hwilde: well spotted, have a cookie |
| 10:57.56 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: and fedora, suse? |
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| 10:58.03 | petemc | seppuka78: what would you expect asking that shit in #debian? |
| 10:58.07 | fengor | and on a side note, i dont find gentoo too bad |
| 10:58.10 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: no-one sane uses those. |
| 10:58.25 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: true, but then we've got way too man insane people |
| 10:58.35 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: this shouldn't be a surprise to you. |
| 10:58.38 | chemaja | around 24h ago i advised someone type "info date" to get the Info documentation for date. What I should have said is to use the command: info coreutils date\ invocation |
| 10:58.46 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: i'm using debian |
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| 10:59.34 | seppuka78 | I like to recommend FreeBSD to people that are doing dns etc kind of things on any kind of enterprise level |
| 10:59.40 | petemc | seppuka78: whys that? |
| 10:59.43 | tls_81 | lol |
| 10:59.48 | tarzeau | seppuka78: i'm recommending debian gnu/kfreebsd instead |
| 11:00.20 | metbsd | i like netbsd for all servers, but company won't listent to me because no one knows netbsd here but me |
| 11:00.41 | fengor | welll thats good for the company. |
| 11:00.45 | seppuka78 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:00.56 | metbsd | but they use debian, will use freebsd later |
| 11:00.56 | fengor | never good to be dependend on a single person |
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| 11:01.13 | petemc | seppuka78: that hasnt stopped you making some pretty stupid comments, it only stops you from qualifying them? |
| 11:01.15 | metbsd | i like neither linux nor freebsd, netbsd is my first choice, and then windows |
| 11:01.23 | tarzeau | metbsd: #netbsd |
| 11:01.25 | seppuka78 | thanks petemc |
| 11:01.33 | petemc | anytime |
| 11:01.34 | tls_81 | seppuka78: So as a stable Production system you would recommend BSD over debian? |
| 11:01.43 | tarzeau | tls_81: no i wouldn't |
| 11:01.47 | tls_81 | lol@#netbsd |
| 11:01.48 | metbsd | but i'm now configing debian box |
| 11:01.56 | tarzeau | tls_81: we have more stable production systems on debian than on freebsd |
| 11:01.58 | seppuka78 | who is an acutaly net admin / sys admin here? |
| 11:02.04 | tls_81 | am joking... |
| 11:02.05 | petemc | o/ |
| 11:02.05 | Nosferatu | \o |
| 11:02.06 | tarzeau | seppuka78: here |
| 11:02.10 | tls_81 | playing around... |
| 11:02.18 | petemc | well, my title is manager.. |
| 11:02.44 | metbsd | my title is engineer |
| 11:02.54 | seppuka78 | so in general on an enterprise level, what would you say is relied upon more? solaris, BSD or linux ? |
| 11:03.03 | petemc | they're all ok |
| 11:03.04 | metbsd | i think you are at higher level than me, i cannot talk to you |
| 11:03.08 | fengor | mine says both deployment manager and software engineer |
| 11:03.18 | petemc | metbsd: you're fired¬ |
| 11:03.22 | petemc | gah |
| 11:03.30 | metbsd | haha |
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| 11:04.03 | metbsd | so i don't like debian, and i have to use it |
| 11:04.11 | petemc | lifes a bitch |
| 11:04.12 | tarzeau | metbsd: we can't cahnge it |
| 11:04.13 | metbsd | apt-get install, sources.list |
| 11:04.17 | tarzeau | metbsd: go find another job |
| 11:04.19 | petemc | nightmare! |
| 11:04.25 | metbsd | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:04.28 | metbsd | apt-get update |
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| 11:04.32 | metbsd | fcking stupid distribution |
| 11:04.43 | metbsd | whats the point keep updating everything |
| 11:04.45 | tarzeau | metbsd: www.linuks.mine.nu/halp.jpg |
| 11:04.47 | petemc | imagine being forced to work with the best packaging system in existance.. |
| 11:04.52 | metbsd | to be the first one to have a broken system? |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/rename' returned no results. |
| 11:05.06 | metbsd | latest = least tested |
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| 11:05.12 | tarzeau | metbsd: you have no idea |
| 11:05.13 | mnvl | can anyone advise me what tools i shoudl use to make my desktop suspend if idle for a while? |
| 11:05.17 | fengor | i dont know what you are doing metbsd , my stable systems only receive security updates |
| 11:05.20 | tarzeau | metbsd: stop talking rubbish |
| 11:05.20 | petemc | metbsd: you know what debian stable is? |
| 11:05.23 | metbsd | debian stable packages are old and unstalbe packages are not stable |
| 11:05.26 | fengor | and normally those fix things instead of breaking them |
| 11:05.32 | tarzeau | metbsd: that's complete bullshit |
| 11:05.34 | tls_81 | metbsd: go into #ubuntu and let them know how u feel... |
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| 11:05.35 | chemaja | seppuka78, i can speak (anonymously) for my company: we used to run OpenServer, we then migrated to RHEL. |
| 11:05.37 | metbsd | i don't care. i got fired already |
| 11:05.43 | tarzeau | metbsd: even experimental packages are tested to some point |
| 11:05.44 | petemc | metbsd: you dont know anything about debian, as such you're not in a position to comment |
| 11:05.50 | tarzeau | metbsd: and unstable ones even more so |
| 11:05.53 | seppuka78 | RHEL is common yeah |
| 11:05.54 | metbsd | petemc has fired me. so i'll let the truth out |
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| 11:06.03 | tarzeau | metbsd: what you say is complete bullshit because you don't maintain a single package for debian |
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| 11:06.09 | tarzeau | metbsd: so if you know shit, shut the fuck up |
| 11:06.09 | petemc | metbsd: you'll never work in this town again! |
| 11:06.11 | metbsd | i'm a user |
| 11:06.15 | metbsd | hahaha |
| 11:06.20 | chemaja | seppuka78, given that my position has elevated in the company, expect some Debian Stable rsn |
| 11:06.21 | tarzeau | metbsd: one that doesn't know anything but cries out loud |
| 11:06.36 | fengor | RHEL is used here as well although i'm trying to convince my boss to get a few debian boxes |
| 11:06.37 | seppuka78 | anyone know what the root nameservers run? |
| 11:06.41 | chemaja | seppuka78, RHEL without active RHN subscriptions really really sucks. |
| 11:06.51 | tarzeau | seppuka78: bind mostly, one is using nsd i think |
| 11:06.58 | seppuka78 | chemaja: lol that's the kicker isn't it |
| 11:07.01 | tls_81 | metbsd * snorts another line of wasabi powder |
| 11:07.05 | chemaja | fengor, i don't need to convince, i just 'do' -- if it meets needs, they'll bend. |
| 11:07.10 | metbsd | stable of debian use vim 2.0.something, but other *nix are using 2.1 now |
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| 11:07.19 | metbsd | plus many other packages |
| 11:07.20 | seppuka78 | metbsd: don't start on that |
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| 11:07.29 | bolt | !kill metbsd |
| 11:07.29 | seppuka78 | you'll be listing them all day and night |
| 11:07.34 | metbsd | debian stable is oooooolllldddd, oouuut dated |
| 11:07.41 | the_lalelu | debian stable is rock solid. |
| 11:07.47 | bolt | metbsd: what's your point? |
| 11:07.56 | metbsd | but then latest debian will easily break |
| 11:07.59 | petemc | metbsd: but you just said what was the point of updating anything |
| 11:08.00 | tls_81 | does metbsd know of the recent etch release? |
| 11:08.04 | metbsd | panic and error |
| 11:08.10 | bolt | metbsd: what's your point? |
| 11:08.15 | ev` | Hi everyone, I'm using the links browser on my debian box but I see strange chars instead of the borders in the menus... with both vt100 and linux frames options... what I could do? |
| 11:08.18 | petemc | metbsd: if you're going to troll, at least do it intelligently, you're making a fool of yourself |
| 11:08.26 | chemaja | fengor, i migrated my primary workstation at work from Windows XP Professional to Debian Etch and they can see the results (minus some short-term teething problems which are all but rectified) -- they'll be happy to have a properly supported base system for once. |
| 11:08.30 | metbsd | updating is fine, but keep updating? naaaahhh |
| 11:08.33 | fengor | chemaja: lucky you ;) i'm still in the position to have some conservative seniors. so its rHEL for the boxes here if at all and msot stuff is running remote on aix anyway |
| 11:08.33 | tarzeau | metbsd: latest debian will not break, the user that uses it can easily break it |
| 11:08.44 | chemaja | fengor, mine are conservative but lazy ;) |
| 11:08.50 | tarzeau | metbsd: it's always the user, even if the software is broke, the user has the source and must fix it |
| 11:08.58 | tarzeau | metbsd: resistance is futile! |
| 11:09.00 | metbsd | forget it, i have a rsync problem on my debian box |
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| 11:09.10 | chemaja | fengor, do you not have active RHN either? |
| 11:09.13 | tarzeau | metbsd: i don't have an rsync problem on my debian box |
| 11:09.25 | tls_81 | metbsd is a grumpy middle aged troll |
| 11:09.38 | fengor | nope :( |
| 11:09.40 | metbsd | im using rsnapshot, it's a rsync based perl scrippy software |
| 11:09.47 | metbsd | i don't know how it use rsync |
| 11:09.47 | tarzeau | tls_81: full ackk, call the !ops already |
| 11:09.49 | metbsd | but |
| 11:09.55 | chemaja | fengor, how retarded. |
| 11:09.59 | chemaja | :) |
| 11:10.16 | metbsd | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] |
| 11:10.16 | metbsd | rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(453) |
| 11:10.18 | fengor | chemaja: yepp but i believe there are worse jobs out there ;) |
| 11:10.29 | tarzeau | metbsd: and is rsnapshot in debian? |
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| 11:10.44 | metbsd | it certainly is, we call it from a crontab job |
| 11:10.45 | tarzeau | indeed it is |
| 11:11.02 | tarzeau | metbsd: check !BTS then |
| 11:11.05 | bolt | # apt-get remove --purge metbsd |
| 11:11.45 | bolt | ... |
| 11:11.46 | bolt | whoa! |
| 11:11.55 | metbsd | package deleted |
| 11:11.58 | tls_81 | tarzeau? |
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| 11:13.59 | dawnlight | exit |
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| 11:19.10 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:19.11 | dpkg | <debianstarfish> can i get to the internet from here? |
| 11:19.15 | metbsd | hey if i replace the mirror in sources.list, wil that cause a broken server? |
| 11:19.25 | liable | no |
| 11:19.39 | ttl_work | nslater: Thanks a lot! I have been able to find and copy all the files i needed :) |
| 11:19.58 | metbsd | if i replace mirror, and it did apt-get update, maybe it gets something else |
| 11:20.18 | liable | no |
| 11:20.35 | liable | it gets the same shit from a different mirror, as long as its a debian mirror |
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| 11:22.35 | rpetre | is there anything better than ltsp-* packages in etch that can function as a lessdisks replacement? |
| 11:22.54 | tarzeau | rpetre: i'm looking at that too curretnly |
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| 11:23.55 | nivanson | How can I find out what driver I am using for a specific device (sda (hdd))? |
| 11:24.08 | SlayerXP | nivanson: dmesg |
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| 11:24.26 | denken | nivanson: or check udev |
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| 11:25.45 | epsilon | is there any traffic monitoring tool watchin on eth? I want to monitor monthly traffic on a server, and want to check the traffic via command shell |
| 11:26.04 | denken | epsilon: iptraf ? |
| 11:26.10 | seppuka78 | epsilon: iptraf |
| 11:26.12 | seppuka78 | lol |
| 11:26.14 | rpetre | tarzeau: that's kinda sad, but thanks. i'll see how i can strip down a ltsp environment, then |
| 11:26.25 | tarzeau | rpetre: good luck |
| 11:27.16 | seppuka78 | epsilon: slurm, although I'm not sure if there is a deb for it |
| 11:28.35 | SlayerXP | epsilon: iftop |
| 11:29.12 | seppuka78 | ifstat, trafshow |
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| 11:30.00 | epsilon | ok thx, mainly I want to be able to check the monthly traffic per command shell, so I can shutdown in case of exceeding traffic every daemon except sshd |
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| 11:33.15 | seppuka78 | epsilon: nload also |
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| 11:42.01 | appelza | hi, do I need any of the other iso's for a basic debian/kde install if I use: debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 11:42.39 | nabber | appelza: if you have a decent internet connection, i do recommend the netinstall iso |
| 11:43.04 | liable | otherwise, that cd will do |
| 11:43.10 | appelza | cool. |
| 11:43.11 | appelza | tnx |
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| 11:44.02 | jelly-home | where can I find specs for which options /usr/sbin/sendmail needs to support? |
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| 11:45.24 | abrotman | man sendmail ? |
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| 11:46.36 | abrotman | run support ... we don't need no stinkin run support |
| 11:47.29 | jelly-home | abrotman: man _which_ sendmail |
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| 11:48.49 | jelly-home | /usr/sbin/sendmail is an API, there should be a separate spec somewhere, like in debian-policy |
| 11:49.04 | jelly-home | (there is none there, btw ;-) |
| 11:49.26 | petemc | exim seems to have sendmail compatability down to a tee, do what it does |
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| 11:49.31 | SoftIce | anyone using ispconfig? |
| 11:50.23 | metbsd | no good documentation about exim |
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| 11:51.14 | jelly-home | petemc: so, exim's wrapper is the canonical implementation of /usr/sbin/sendmail? |
| 11:51.15 | abrotman | petemc: most *nix MTAs have sendmail compat down to a tee :) |
| 11:51.25 | petemc | abrotman: really? |
| 11:51.41 | abrotman | they kind of have to |
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| 11:51.45 | petemc | last week i tried to use -bt with postfix, not supported |
| 11:51.58 | jelly-home | I guess a mail to debian-devel is probably a better way to find out... |
| 11:52.04 | petemc | :) |
| 11:52.08 | abrotman | jelly-home: or ask #sendmail ? |
| 11:52.14 | petemc | i was doing a job for someone.. |
| 11:52.18 | abrotman | sure .. |
| 11:52.22 | jelly-home | abrotman: why should they know anything about Debian policies. |
| 11:52.35 | abrotman | i thought oyu meant in general .. damn you! |
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| 11:53.34 | SoftIce | anyone can sugest what channel would be best to go to with regards to ispconfig advice? |
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| 11:53.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: hey, i've packaged a great texture creator, wanna try it? |
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| 11:53.35 | petemc | metbsd: there is lots of documentation about exim, just not that many 'idiots guides' |
| 11:53.35 | jelly-home | I meant like "I want to know if -oi is going to work in Debian always, no matter the MTA" |
| 11:53.35 | petemc | theres a difference |
| 11:55.55 | abrotman | does sendmail still sell that config tool ? |
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| 11:55.59 | abrotman | petemc: does exim support -bt? |
| 11:55.59 | petemc | that it surely does |
| 11:56.00 | abrotman | seems an option to want for all MTAs .. but whatever |
| 11:56.00 | abrotman | an odd option |
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| 11:56.01 | petemc | to test how an mta would handle a mail? |
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| 11:56.02 | abrotman | petemc: it's also quite possible that postfix has another method |
| 11:56.03 | abrotman | but that doesn't change the fact that you know -br |
| 11:56.03 | abrotman | bt!!! |
| 11:56.07 | petemc | abrotman: it does, but its not exactly functionally equivalent |
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| 11:56.38 | jelly-home | basically, /me thinks there should be a spec |
| 11:56.43 | nabber | not an easy task without fingers |
| 11:56.58 | abrotman | nabber: i'm just doing the dough flippy thing! |
| 11:57.04 | xand | get a doctor to reattach them. |
| 11:57.07 | nabber | hehe |
| 11:57.14 | xand | or |
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| 11:57.17 | xand | FIT BORG IMPLANTS |
| 11:57.23 | jelly-home | "support this bare minimum of options, and you have the right to Provide: m-t-a" |
| 11:57.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: you can't find any policy on this? |
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| 11:59.18 | nabber | xand: "Borg Pizzas: Watch him do the flippy thing!" |
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| 11:59.44 | nabber | sorry, this is way off topic. stopping now |
| 11:59.51 | xand | :D |
| 12:00.05 | abrotman | jelly-home: there is that tech-ctte thingie on OFTC |
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| 12:01.47 | tomer | hi |
| 12:01.58 | tomer | dmix is on by default ? |
| 12:01.58 | hwilde | lo |
| 12:02.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: ha! .. found it |
| 12:03.00 | jelly-home | abrotman: where, where? |
| 12:03.06 | Piggy | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=459901&in_page_id=1770 |
| 12:03.06 | cydork | tomer: yes. |
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| 12:03.21 | abrotman | jelly-home: in an email .. they have to implement all options in the LSB !except! -bs |
| 12:03.26 | abrotman | Piggy! |
| 12:03.30 | tomer | cydork, how do i make dmix work with oss devices that try to open /dev/dsp |
| 12:03.48 | jelly-home | abrotman: ref! |
| 12:03.48 | enouf | !tell Unr3s -about selftell |
| 12:03.48 | Unr3s | ? |
| 12:03.48 | enouf | !tell Unr3s -about ig |
| 12:03.51 | abrotman | jelly-home: if they don't .. they must conflict with the lsb package |
| 12:03.59 | abrotman | http://release.debian.org/etch_rc_policy.txt |
| 12:04.07 | abrotman | (though .. that might not be right) :) |
| 12:04.24 | enouf | Unr3s: just helping in advance ;-) |
| 12:04.44 | Unr3s | some person told me to come here to get information about installing something to my hard drive |
| 12:05.03 | cydork | tomer: you need a snd-pcm-oss |
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| 12:05.16 | easuter | hi there |
| 12:05.26 | abrotman | jelly-home: wait .. why do you care ? |
| 12:05.30 | cydork | tomer: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 12:05.54 | enouf | Unr3s: not really .. some people elsewhere suggested you use Debian over knoppix and i suggested if you wanted to, to come here and /msg dpkg ig (which i already did for you .. and more) |
| 12:06.06 | easuter | has anyone here had problems installing Debian 4 on sparc systems? |
| 12:06.28 | abrotman | Unr3s: installing "something"? .. what is that something? |
| 12:06.30 | xand | easuter: like what? |
| 12:06.31 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 12:06.31 | dpkg | i guess sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 12:06.37 | SlayerXP | easuter: yes, you have |
| 12:06.41 | jelly-home | abrotman: I want to use some options in packaging scripts |
| 12:06.42 | Unr3s | i really have no clue |
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| 12:06.55 | Unr3s | i think its Ubuntu |
| 12:06.59 | tomer | cydork, what about aoss |
| 12:07.03 | easuter | yeah, I have: the boot process jams when loading the kernel |
| 12:07.04 | mrsn0 | is there a polish debian channel? |
| 12:07.06 | Unr3s | or Debian |
| 12:07.12 | xand | !Pl |
| 12:07.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 12:07.17 | easuter | booting the CD that is... |
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| 12:07.22 | logixoul | hi. Rosegarden says my kernel timer resolution is too low (250hz). How do I fix this? |
| 12:07.25 | xand | easuter: on what machine? |
| 12:07.26 | mrsn0 | thx xand |
| 12:07.29 | cydork | tomer: that is a wrapper for oss apps. |
| 12:07.47 | tomer | cydork, dont i need it if i want to use dmix with oss apps? |
| 12:08.00 | easuter | an UltraSparc 10 creator 3d, 512mb ram 500mh 64bit ultrasparc processor |
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| 12:08.50 | jelly-home | logixoul: compile your own kernel with a higher HZ (probably 1000) |
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| 12:09.20 | easuter | after hitting Stop+A and entering "boot cdrom", silo loads, I hit Enter, but then it simply freezes when it says "Loading Linux...." |
| 12:09.38 | easuter | or something to the effect of loading the kernel |
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| 12:10.02 | logixoul | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 12:10.06 | abrotman | jelly-home: ah ok |
| 12:10.12 | easuter | I know its not a bad cd burn because I've tried with different cd brands, different burners too and also using low burn speeds |
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| 12:10.52 | easuter | I have an old CD of RedHat 6.2 Sparc that works, so I'm guessing its a problem with the Debian CDs maybe? |
| 12:11.14 | metbsd | how do i install exim with tls auth, mysql support, and other things |
| 12:11.39 | nabber | hehe |
| 12:11.40 | szymonik | siemka |
| 12:11.51 | szymonik | jest ktoÅ› from poland?? |
| 12:12.27 | abrotman | !pl |
| 12:12.27 | dpkg | i heard pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 12:12.34 | szymonik | !pl |
| 12:13.04 | nabber | easuter: have you tried to boot a sarge iso? |
| 12:13.17 | nabber | maybe you could use that and dist-upgrade? |
| 12:13.26 | wols | I need a plugin to view CAD files (Micrografx or ITEDO) in Linux. any suggestions for what to use? |
| 12:13.30 | enouf | easuter: seen the sparc errata here? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 12:13.38 | szymonik | in #debian.pl not have anybody |
| 12:13.47 | wols | if all else fails I'd even tak a Win32 firefox plugin to run under WINE |
| 12:13.47 | tarzeau | easuter: just netboot them |
| 12:13.55 | xand | szymonik: english here pelase |
| 12:13.57 | xand | *pleae |
| 12:13.58 | tarzeau | easuter: netboot is the best way to install debian - no matter what |
| 12:13.58 | xand | GAH |
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| 12:14.38 | szymonik | '/bin/sh: can't acces tty; job control turned off' |
| 12:14.43 | szymonik | what i do? |
| 12:14.51 | enouf | easuter: maybe the section "the issue can be worked around by adding the parameter video=atyfb:off when booting the installer." |
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| 12:15.15 | szymonik | '/bin/sh: can't acces tty; job control turned off' |
| 12:15.27 | szymonik | what i can do now?? |
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| 12:16.15 | szymonik | what i can do now?? |
| 12:16.49 | nabber | *sigh* we already got your error message and question. maybe we just don't know |
| 12:17.04 | jelly-home | when in panice, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout |
| 12:17.04 | wols | you can actually explain us your problem |
| 12:17.18 | tarzeau | jelly-home: hehe that's great :) seen that on /. once |
| 12:17.22 | wols | jelly-home: explains your behaviour quite nicely :) |
| 12:17.42 | jelly-home | wols: follow my own advice, I do |
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| 12:17.45 | wols | szymonik: explain your problem better. ie what did you do and when did this message show |
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| 12:19.59 | maddash | hello, honorables |
| 12:20.07 | tarzeau | hello, infidel |
| 12:20.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: I've heard of a proprietary payware CAD app that runs on GNU/Linux |
| 12:20.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | But no free software ones |
| 12:20.34 | easuter | Thanks guys, I will give that a try! |
| 12:20.35 | tarzeau | oops |
| 12:20.37 | abrotman | apt-cache search CAD ? |
| 12:20.45 | abrotman | there are a few in debian .. qcad comes to mind |
| 12:20.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/VariCAD?content=11539 |
| 12:20.49 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: to do what? |
| 12:21.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: [14:14] <wols> I need a plugin to view CAD files (Micrografx or ITEDO) in Linux. any suggestions for what to use? |
| 12:21.05 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: www.brlcad.com is free |
| 12:21.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 12:21.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Look, I don't even know what "Micrografx" means, nor do I have any clue about CAD |
| 12:21.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just recall seeing that app on KDE-apps |
| 12:21.55 | easuter | yup that looks like the problem I'm having |
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| 12:22.56 | easuter | ....yep, and my sparc box does have two cards: and onboard ati and a sun framebuffer card |
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| 12:24.09 | metbsd | how do i install exim4 with mysql support and tls |
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| 12:25.15 | nabber | metbsd: google is great. this might be a place to start: http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000453.html |
| 12:25.29 | nabber | first hit on search for exim and tls |
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| 12:25.52 | the_lalelu | metbsd: try to install exim4-daemon-heavy |
| 12:26.11 | metbsd | why not light? |
| 12:26.15 | SlayerXP | metbsd: is google illegal where you live? |
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| 12:27.00 | bolt | metbsd: I UNINSTALLED YOU! |
| 12:28.09 | maddash | SlayerXP: rol |
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| 12:28.13 | maddash | SlayerXP: rofl* |
| 12:28.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: funny? http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=234805&cid=19132257 |
| 12:28.45 | abrotman | no |
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| 12:28.56 | juancagt | so i was trying to install pidgim and i got an error with a bunch of unmet undependencies (outdates actually). Can someone take a look at my pastebin? |
| 12:29.06 | abrotman | juancagt: install it how? |
| 12:29.47 | juancagt | .dep package... |
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| 12:30.04 | the_lalelu | metbsd: because you wanne mysql support - and light is without mysql (but with tls) |
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| 12:30.49 | metbsd | i also what dovecot |
| 12:31.07 | abrotman | juancagt: where'd you get it? |
| 12:31.17 | abrotman | metbsd: you're a needy little bugger eh ? :) |
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| 12:32.14 | szymonik | shit |
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| 12:32.30 | szymonik | i must reinstall debian |
| 12:32.37 | the_lalelu | well metbsd, i also use dovecot (bot not exim) - worked pretty well. try google. |
| 12:32.40 | SlayerXP | must you? |
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| 12:32.53 | tarzeau | for nvidia interested people: http://www.abclinuxu.cz/clanky/rozhovory/andy-ritger-nvidia?page=1 |
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| 12:33.02 | metbsd | ok |
| 12:33.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: you said sauerbraten works on your intel video card. how much fps at what resolution? |
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| 12:33.37 | hwilde | !nvidia |
| 12:33.37 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 12:35.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: NFC .. i just played :) |
| 12:35.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: nfc? |
| 12:35.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: obviously fast enough that i could paly .. no clue on the resolution though |
| 12:35.38 | abrotman | could play |
| 12:35.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: ok not a slideshow then |
| 12:35.55 | abrotman | it wasn't jumpy .. but for all i know .. it was 320x200 :) |
| 12:36.03 | tarzeau | ONLY? |
| 12:36.10 | tarzeau | man, you can't go sniping with 320x200 |
| 12:36.12 | bkw | During the debian installation, can I create my /boot at a usb-memory which should make grub writing boot to it instead of a internal harddrive? |
| 12:36.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: i said i didn't know |
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| 12:36.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: thanks for trying though |
| 12:36.35 | abrotman | "but for all i know, it was 320x200 .. i didn't check" .. is that better? |
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| 12:36.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah, by default it goes around 640x400 or so |
| 12:36.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: trying? it plays fine .. and my ass doesn't belong to ati/nvidia like yours :) |
| 12:37.03 | abrotman | it'd be 640x480 |
| 12:37.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: will you play again, i mean do i have a chance to frag you? |
| 12:37.13 | abrotman | but might have been more .. i can try higher later .. |
| 12:37.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: both modes existed |
| 12:37.19 | abrotman | eh .. crap .. it was in /tmp/ |
| 12:37.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: wait you didn't use the debian package? |
| 12:37.37 | chemaja | i hope ATI get their s**t together with these rumors of open-sourcing drivers |
| 12:37.42 | chemaja | that would be elite of them |
| 12:37.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't trust your packaging skills! |
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| 12:37.55 | abrotman | chemaja: at least if they started off at the low end .. it'd be something |
| 12:37.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: isn't my package, i just did the backport to etch |
| 12:38.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm kidding .. i didn't even know there was one |
| 12:38.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: awwww that was low! |
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| 12:38.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: just wait when i ever meet you :) |
| 12:38.26 | roxy_ | Hi, shouldn't: 'F=U echo $F' output U ? |
| 12:38.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: you'll buy me beer? |
| 12:38.34 | juancagt | abrotman: http://tinyurl.com/2zljr5 from there... |
| 12:38.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll drown you in your favourite beer |
| 12:38.44 | chemaja | abrotman, high-end or no-end. they need to see it as financially viable, which it *would* be if they targeted their current (most expensive) chips. |
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| 12:38.48 | hwilde | roxy_, google "advanced bash scripting guide" |
| 12:39.04 | abrotman | chemaja: they could start at both ends .. and then bridge the gap |
| 12:39.16 | abrotman | juancagt: those are ubuntu packages .. not for Debian .. |
| 12:39.25 | juancagt | abrotman: where can i get it for deb? |
| 12:39.30 | abrotman | juancagt: are you running Debian or ubuntu ? |
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| 12:39.38 | abrotman | and which verseion of debian? |
| 12:39.44 | wfq | should i create a directory in /var/ww by root and later give rights enough to be modified by the owner or should I modify /var/www so that all system's user can write in? what do you recommend me? |
| 12:39.44 | abrotman | and does Pidgin make you rich? |
| 12:39.45 | chemaja | abrotman, i suppose if it's *current* low-end, then maybe |
| 12:39.46 | juancagt | abrotman: debian & ubuntu both... i |
| 12:39.54 | Saint-Takeshi | abrotman: suits me, i use a low-end radeon card (9250 128mb) and (although it supports openGL 2.0 on wintendo) i can only use up to openGL 1.3 extensions... |
| 12:39.58 | abrotman | juancagt: for the system you're trying to destroy currently |
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| 12:40.24 | juancagt | abrotman: debian |
| 12:40.41 | abrotman | chemaja: i guess the tricky part is that the radeon driver in Xorg already does DRI up to .. what .. X350 or so ? |
| 12:40.49 | abrotman | juancagt: and you're on etch ? |
| 12:40.56 | juancagt | abrotman: yes sir |
| 12:41.30 | abrotman | juancagt: /msg dpkg simple sid backport .. but it's not easy |
| 12:41.31 | chemaja | abrotman, ATI versioning means nothing to me unfortunately L |
| 12:41.42 | abrotman | juancagt: and likely not worth it |
| 12:41.43 | wols | wfq: first way |
| 12:41.52 | abrotman | juancagt: the gaim version in etch is close to 2.0 afaik |
| 12:41.53 | juancagt | abrotman: any other way, so im stuck with gaim? |
| 12:42.02 | abrotman | it's not like gaim sucks .. jeez |
| 12:42.08 | juancagt | lol i know |
| 12:42.49 | juancagt | not that i use it anyway, but its a multiuser computer and apparently pidgin is "prettier" (not my words) |
| 12:42.51 | Saint-Takeshi | i had a wee play with ubuntu, about a year back...it just felt like using Knoppix, only slightly faster and with more prettiness |
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| 12:43.12 | d747 | testing |
| 12:43.14 | abrotman | chemaja: X350 is about Radeon 9800 or so |
| 12:43.17 | stew | Saint-Takeshi: wrong channel |
| 12:43.27 | chemaja | abrotman, i dont know any ATI chips |
| 12:43.29 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:43.32 | chemaja | abrotman, Intel/NVIDIA yea |
| 12:43.47 | DrEeevil | so here's one thign I can't figure out ... why does my eth1 have an IPv6 adress when I only have IPv4 configured, and why does apache bind to that wrong adress? |
| 12:43.52 | chemaja | from what i hear, ATI is a pita on Linux |
| 12:43.56 | abrotman | chemaja: the 9800 would be kind of old .. but still decent enough |
| 12:43.58 | chemaja | ie. in a modern laptop |
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| 12:44.12 | chemaja | say $1800USD |
| 12:44.32 | juancagt | i have the x300 ati card |
| 12:44.47 | juancagt | not very good |
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| 12:45.23 | SlayerXP | shall I tell you all about my new games machine? :) |
| 12:45.38 | stew | DrEeevil: how did you tell apache which address to bind to? |
| 12:45.45 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: install sauerbraten and PLAY already! |
| 12:45.48 | DrEeevil | stew: "apt-get install apache" was all I did :-) |
| 12:45.51 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: what games do you play most? |
| 12:46.01 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: FPS |
| 12:46.04 | SlayerXP | http://www.bfgtech.com/8800GTXOC_768_PCIe_wc.html |
| 12:46.14 | DrEeevil | stew: can't figure out where net gets the wrong IP from, can't see a simple way to castrate apache |
| 12:46.17 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: ahhh with linux? tried the beta driver of nvidia? |
| 12:46.22 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: sauerbraten IS fps :) |
| 12:46.33 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: I play games under windows mostly |
| 12:46.41 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: also exist there :) |
| 12:46.47 | stew | DrEeevil: what does "netstat -lnt | grep :80" return? |
| 12:47.06 | DrEeevil | stew: tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN |
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| 12:47.15 | DrEeevil | so for some reason apache plays stupid :-( |
| 12:47.19 | stew | DrEeevil: its bound to all ipv4 and ipv6 addresses then |
| 12:47.32 | DrEeevil | so why can't I access it? :-( |
| 12:47.34 | jazbo2186 | Is there some c library for reading columnar ascii data files into arrays? |
| 12:47.42 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: I may give it a whirl. I shall also be buying a Physx card in anticipation of the next Unreal Tournament |
| 12:47.51 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: css? bf2? |
| 12:47.51 | stew | DrEeevil: how are you trying to access it? |
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| 12:48.11 | DrEeevil | stew: from a different machine that can ssh in |
| 12:48.41 | stew | DrEeevil: is there a router / firewall in between? |
| 12:48.45 | stew | (there must be) |
| 12:49.33 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: neither. |
| 12:49.35 | stew | DrEeevil: do you get "connection refused" or a timeout? or what? and how are you trying to access it? with a browser? |
| 12:49.43 | DrEeevil | stew: hmmm ... there's a small chance, but the firewall would DROP not REJECT, so I'm quite confused |
| 12:49.53 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: though all the HL2 series have been bought to date |
| 12:49.58 | stew | DrEeevil: you are getting connection refused then? |
| 12:50.01 | DrEeevil | stew: browser and wget, both say refused (which the firewall wouldn't do) |
| 12:50.09 | stew | !connection refused |
| 12:50.09 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 12:50.10 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: crazy. can you play in 4 hours? |
| 12:50.24 | stew | DrEeevil: ^^^ we have already determined that it is listening, so it must be a firewall |
| 12:50.29 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: I can't play at all right now, no games machine |
| 12:50.30 | DrEeevil | right |
| 12:50.41 | SlayerXP | my last one melted |
| 12:50.44 | stew | DrEeevil: it might not be YOUR firewall, it could be your ISP's firewall |
| 12:50.47 | DrEeevil | brb :-) |
| 12:50.52 | DrEeevil | stew: nah, local net here |
| 12:50.58 | SlayerXP | looking at another week or so before the new one arrives |
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| 12:51.15 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: you have intel or amd cpu? |
| 12:51.21 | DrEeevil | stew: also does not explain where that insane ipv6 addr comes from |
| 12:51.32 | SlayerXP | tarzeau: gone for a QX6800 |
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| 12:53.56 | RichiH | hmm |
| 12:53.57 | DrEeevil | stew: uhm ... this doesn't make sense, but it just works now |
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| 12:54.02 | DrEeevil | *headdesk* |
| 12:54.11 | RichiH | is there a way to check which module is in active use by any hardware? |
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| 12:54.30 | cahoot | lsmod? |
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| 12:54.48 | rpetre | RichiH: dmesg |
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| 12:56.10 | cahoot | RichiH: usecount 0 would tell - no? |
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| 12:57.13 | RichiH | cahoot, rpetre: neither really fits. what i want is a canonical way to query if there is anything actually _using_ the module. usb_storage gets loaded when i insert an usb stick. but how do i know if it is still needed? |
| 12:57.30 | RichiH | cahoot: no, as module dependency != actual usage |
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| 12:58.02 | cahoot | RichiH: ok |
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| 12:58.40 | tarzeau | RichiH: if you want to make using usb storage safe without giving users root rights for mount/umount. forget it it's not possible (i mean rw mounted) |
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| 12:58.56 | tarzeau | RichiH: because unix (and linux) never meant to have such storage |
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| 12:59.15 | tarzeau | floppies and the like came much later, and it was just patched in to be supported, never done right and properly |
| 12:59.33 | tarzeau | we suffer the same problem here. and supermount is just another hack |
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| 13:00.02 | RichiH | tarzeau: what i actually want to do is to see what modules are still needed |
| 13:00.23 | stew | powertop is great |
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| 13:00.53 | stew | i've been getting > 5 hours on my laptop battery now (used to only get 3+ hours) |
| 13:01.12 | Arafangion | stew: You know, 5 hours *IS* 3+ hours. |
| 13:01.20 | stew | Arafangion: oh |
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| 13:02.33 | wols | I want to run two consoles (screen, keyboard, nouse) off one PC with a dualhead videocard. input devices are USB |
| 13:02.35 | tarzeau | RichiH: DAMN YOU |
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| 13:02.45 | wols | do I need LTSP or can I do it in a easier way? |
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| 13:02.50 | tarzeau | RichiH: i wanted to type powertop and did power[tab] .. computer shutting down |
| 13:02.52 | tarzeau | RichiH: I HATE YOU! |
| 13:02.55 | stew | RichiH: "lsmod | awk '{print $1}' | xargs -n1 modprobe -r" then figure out what broke :) |
| 13:03.09 | tarzeau | oh wait: Shutdown cancelled. |
| 13:03.32 | stew | RichiH: (that's what i've been doing) |
| 13:03.47 | tarzeau | what a stupid name for such a tool |
| 13:03.57 | chemaja | help me i'm addicted to my pc |
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| 13:04.01 | abrotman | stupid user that hit tab and didn't double check |
| 13:04.37 | chemaja | must... do... physical excercise |
| 13:04.42 | chemaja | too..... damn zoned out... |
| 13:04.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: i bet, i'm not the only one |
| 13:05.22 | seppuka78 | That's definately a layer 8 problem there |
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| 13:06.58 | \amethyst | wols: I've seen it doen |
| 13:07.35 | \amethyst | wols: Recent versions of Xorg support multiple keyboards, which was a big blocker in the past |
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| 13:08.17 | \amethyst | wols: Found a gentoo howto at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Multiseat_X |
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| 13:15.00 | SRabbelier | Heya, I'm trying to compile an application with ncurses, under other distro's I'm used to typing "gcc -lncurses *.S", when I try this under Debian gcc (4.1.2) it tells me it can't find lncurses, even though I have lncurses5 installed (I even tried adding lncurses4) |
| 13:15.10 | abrotman | libncurses-dev |
| 13:15.24 | SRabbelier | cool, thanks :) |
| 13:15.34 | SlayerXP | SRabbelier: why are you compiling? |
| 13:15.48 | abrotman | he didn't say what app it was |
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| 13:16.18 | SRabbelier | self-written app :) |
| 13:17.15 | abrotman | SlayerXP: you should package that for him! |
| 13:17.32 | SlayerXP | unlikely |
| 13:17.45 | abrotman | then he wouldn't have to compile! |
| 13:17.54 | SlayerXP | no, i would |
| 13:17.59 | SlayerXP | and I don't compile stuff |
| 13:18.38 | abrotman | heh |
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| 13:19.19 | tarzeau | SRabbelier: what does that app do? |
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| 13:23.56 | abrotman | it uses curses! |
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| 13:24.53 | reto_ | hi.. whats the best way to install grub from the rescue cd? |
| 13:25.10 | reto_ | he says somethign about not being able to have the corresponding bios drive |
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| 13:27.22 | reto_ | ive chrooted into /target |
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| 13:27.55 | adamt | can somebody please point me to the webpage that describes why specific packages haven't entered testing yet? Thanks :-) |
| 13:28.34 | stew | adamt: /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing |
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| 13:29.06 | adamt | stew: thanks |
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| 13:32.23 | adamt | a package won't enter testing, before it compiles on all platforms, correct? |
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| 13:32.56 | stew | adamt: correct |
| 13:33.04 | adamt | =/ |
| 13:33.16 | stew | (unless it is explicitly hinted in by a release manager) |
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| 13:33.27 | adamt | ohh well, i'll just have to be more patient :-) |
| 13:33.31 | stew | adamt: testing is supposed to be always releaseable |
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| 13:34.26 | tarzeau | stew: haha, nice wording |
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| 13:36.00 | tarzeau | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 13:36.10 | stew | tarzeau: what about it? |
| 13:36.30 | azeem | adamt: unstable is not supported here, fwiw |
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| 13:37.03 | tarzeau | stew: one is the want, the other the is |
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| 13:37.47 | stew | that is non-sensical, but I doubt he is going anywhere productive with this |
| 13:37.59 | adamt | azeem: I know that, but kde is not only one version behind, but two, and i would really like the updates to konqueror among others :-) |
| 13:38.16 | simonrvn | minor version |
| 13:38.19 | azeem | *shrug* |
| 13:38.21 | tarzeau | adamt: i've seen users take the latest source and build it themselves |
| 13:38.25 | simonrvn | sub-minor even |
| 13:38.46 | adamt | tarzeau: then i could just as well use gentoo |
| 13:38.56 | tarzeau | *shrug* |
| 13:39.11 | adamt | simonrvn: I don't see your point? Clearly you're not a KDE user ;-) |
| 13:39.27 | tarzeau | adamt: you know #debian-kde ? |
| 13:39.36 | simonrvn | even if i was i'd say the same thing |
| 13:39.40 | abrotman | simonrvn: /msg dpkg sns syndrome :) |
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| 13:40.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: hahaha SNS is fun |
| 13:40.25 | abrotman | adamt: which feature do you need? :) |
| 13:40.39 | adamt | abrotman: bugfixes :P |
| 13:40.52 | adamt | tarzeau: Yes, but my original channel was package-independant. And visiting #debian-kde is not going to bring testing up to date. |
| 13:40.58 | simonrvn | talk to me when 4 is out |
| 13:41.01 | abrotman | there are no bugs in kde |
| 13:41.24 | abrotman | they ensure this by rewriting every library they use .. and putting a K at the front! |
| 13:41.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: hahaha |
| 13:41.36 | schme` | Quite a few features though. |
| 13:41.43 | simonrvn | abrotman: hehe |
| 13:41.58 | simonrvn | (other than kerberos utils) |
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| 13:42.17 | adamt | What really bothers me, is the whole thing about packages that needs to compile on all platforms, i hate to wait for slow package teams (hi alpha, hi mips, hi..), when everything already could be ready for my own arch. |
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| 13:42.39 | adamt | Ohh well, have a nice day :-) |
| 13:42.40 | tarzeau | adamt: you know sid has it all, it's just not supported |
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| 13:42.52 | tarzeau | whining about old software is not allowed |
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| 13:43.05 | simonrvn | nothing to do with them being slow or not, but whether or not it builds properly |
| 13:43.05 | abrotman | odd for someone to say who advocates it so much .. |
| 13:43.15 | adamt | tarzeau: Yeah :-) |
| 13:43.16 | tarzeau | nobody stops you from using sid (but then nobody wants to support it either); whining about old software is not allowed |
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| 13:43.41 | tarzeau | simonrvn: they people who build it here, never had problem with kde building |
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| 13:44.06 | tarzeau | simonrvn: always cutting edge, i was amazed the effort they put into it (gnome seems to be much worse to manually build) |
| 13:44.17 | simonrvn | it is |
| 13:44.27 | abrotman | garnome! |
| 13:44.36 | abrotman | does garnome still exist even ? |
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| 13:45.00 | simonrvn | apparently does |
| 13:45.41 | juancagt | does etch free ati driver supports 3D out of the box? |
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| 13:45.54 | tarzeau | juancagt: 3d always works, just very slow :) |
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| 13:46.35 | juancagt | tarzeau: i meant the fast one :P |
| 13:46.35 | \amethyst | juancagt: it supports accel on older cards... probably up to Radeon 9200 or so |
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| 13:46.39 | simonrvn | or works period, for some slightly older cards. unlike the nv driver |
| 13:46.49 | juancagt | how can i test this? |
| 13:46.51 | tarzeau | juancagt: i doubt, it's not free |
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| 13:47.02 | juancagt | i have an R300 |
| 13:47.05 | tarzeau | juancagt: install etch free ati drvier, install some 3d software (say brutalchess) |
| 13:47.13 | simonrvn | no it won't on that |
| 13:47.15 | tarzeau | juancagt: then run it, and if it's fast, it's good, if not, it's not |
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| 13:47.20 | stew | juancagt: yes, ('man radeon' will confirm this) |
| 13:47.40 | juancagt | nothing like erm glxgears? heh |
| 13:48.00 | tarzeau | juancagt: it's not too heavy 3d |
| 13:49.09 | \amethyst | juancagt: I find some things from xscreensaver-gl to be useful (/usr/lib/xscreensaver/lavalite -fps -delay 0 for example) |
| 13:49.26 | abrotman | stew: man page is wrong |
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| 13:49.38 | abrotman | stew: or rather .. not updated |
| 13:49.47 | stew | abrotman: yes, but its not wrong about 3d support for the r300 |
| 13:49.53 | \amethyst | juancagt: From what I understand, there is some R300 3d accel in Xorg CVS, but not in debian |
| 13:49.55 | juancagt | \amethyst: ahh nice |
| 13:50.12 | stew | abrotman: i've filed bugs about it being out of date about newer cards |
| 13:50.27 | abrotman | stew: i heard the maintainer is a lazy bum .. |
| 13:50.30 | stew | \amethyst: there has been r300 3d accel in xorg and xfree86 for years now |
| 13:51.30 | \amethyst | stew: DRI? |
| 13:51.31 | stew | yes |
| 13:51.58 | stew | \amethyst: for instance, sarge supported 3d on r300 |
| 13:52.05 | stew | accellerated 3d that is |
| 13:52.11 | juancagt | do the free ones offer tv out support? |
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| 13:52.22 | stew | juancagt: yes |
| 13:52.38 | juancagt | any handy install/setup? |
| 13:52.44 | stew | juancagt: aptitude install xorg |
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| 13:53.02 | juancagt | brutalchess is brutally slow |
| 13:53.08 | stew | juancagt: for tvout support, man radeon |
| 13:53.44 | tarzeau | juancagt: then your video driver brutally sucks |
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| 13:54.49 | tarzeau | juancagt: no it's just some heavy 3d, try with --shadows=off and --reflections=off |
| 13:55.15 | tarzeau | juancagt: it might get reasonably faster, but even then, you don't have fast 3d |
| 13:55.32 | juancagt | 7 frames in 5.092 seconds = 1.37471 FPS |
| 13:55.42 | juancagt | before what u said |
| 13:56.24 | tarzeau | i have some really highpoly models if you want it slower :) |
| 13:56.43 | stew | juancagt: does "glxinfo | grep render" say that direct rendering in enabled? |
| 13:56.55 | stew | juancagt: or does "xdpyinfo | grep RENDER" return a match? |
| 13:57.46 | juancagt | returned RENDER |
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| 14:00.24 | juancagt | stew: was that good or bad? |
| 14:00.29 | stew | that was good |
| 14:01.09 | juancagt | but there is now glxinfo in my system... |
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| 14:01.59 | \amethyst | I thought RENDER was XRender extension, which can but doesn't have to use the 3D engine |
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| 14:02.46 | Saint-Takeshi | how do you configure a username/password to log into samba shares? |
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| 14:03.32 | mrbnet | when did etch go stable? |
| 14:03.43 | \amethyst | mrbnet: (western) Easter |
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| 14:04.17 | tarzeau | !etch |
| 14:04.17 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 14:04.29 | Saint-Takeshi | tried my user/pw from this box, didn't work, nothing in the shared folders dialog that would seem to work, do i need to do something involving users and groups? |
| 14:04.38 | \amethyst | Oh, wait, they were both the same this year... so Eastern Easter too :) |
| 14:04.43 | mrbnet | would I have to make any changes to my sources.list for apt to work? It is timing out on ftp.debian.org |
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| 14:07.50 | frank | mrbnet: choose a mirror close to you: http://www.us.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 14:08.27 | deny[all] | hi, someone has successful installation debian on raid 1 with a raid controller with the chipset VIA vt6421? |
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| 14:10.23 | sayi | hi all |
| 14:10.32 | sayi | how can i install php 5.1.3 on debian etch ? |
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| 14:11.18 | stew | sayi: why do you need 5.1.3 instead of 5.2.0? |
| 14:11.50 | sayi | stew, my software is do'nt run php 5.2.x |
| 14:12.00 | stew | sayi: and you can't fix the software? |
| 14:13.30 | chemaja | good lord, package tramp depends on telnet... |
| 14:13.36 | chemaja | oh well |
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| 14:14.05 | chemaja | wait, suggest |
| 14:14.08 | chemaja | d'oh sorry |
| 14:14.08 | tarzeau | chemaja: no it doesn't |
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| 14:14.34 | chemaja | tarzeau, forgive me, 12h sleep in a 72h period :) |
| 14:14.42 | chemaja | tarzeau, and tonight isn't going to be any better |
| 14:15.04 | rahul | sleep is for the weak |
| 14:15.12 | tarzeau | chemaja: emacs users are cool |
| 14:15.20 | chemaja | tarzeau, why thank you :P |
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| 14:15.46 | chemaja | tarzeau, GNU Emacs is rocking my GNU/Linux world :) |
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| 14:16.01 | bahadunn | whats up suckers |
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| 14:16.19 | cockroach | hi. for some reason, my soundcard stopped working: when i modprobe snd-emu10k1, i get "AC'97 0 does not respond - RESET" "AC'97 0 access error (not audio or modem codec)" "ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:12.0 disabled" "EMU10k1_Audigy: probe of 0000:00:12.0 failed with error -13". any idea? |
| 14:16.22 | chemaja | bahadunn, your momma, but then she bobs down and back up again |
| 14:17.01 | RichiH | chemaja, bahadunn: having fun with the whole adolescent thing, haven't we? ;) |
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| 14:17.43 | chemaja | d'oh again, s/pun/error/ |
| 14:17.49 | chemaja | ok bedtime |
| 14:18.03 | RichiH | hhe |
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| 14:19.44 | bahadunn | well I was trying to think of a quick response but alas I cannot |
| 14:20.09 | cahoot | take that as a sign of maturity |
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| 14:20.23 | bahadunn | well I am getting old |
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| 14:21.12 | bahadunn | I usually give a greeting like "greetings comrads" but no one responds to that usually |
| 14:21.20 | bahadunn | so I figure whats up suckers would do better |
| 14:21.21 | bahadunn | :-P |
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| 14:21.39 | tarzeau | HAI bahadunn |
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| 14:22.09 | bahadunn | tarzeau: howdy |
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| 14:22.30 | tarzeau | bahadunn: fine, and you? |
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| 14:23.21 | bahadunn | tarzeau: pretty good |
| 14:23.35 | tarzeau | bahadunn: what are you doing? |
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| 14:24.28 | GaiaX11 | How do I upgrade libgtk2.8.20-7 > libgtk-newest if it is not in the stable (etch) repos? |
| 14:25.03 | bahadunn | tarzeau: upgrading some software |
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| 14:25.50 | bahadunn | tarzeau: you? |
| 14:25.53 | Nemoder | I'm getting this error http://pastebin.ca/544556 when trying to update debian-testing, I tried adding the line it suggests to my lilo.conf but it still gives the same error. Any ideas? |
| 14:25.58 | tarzeau | bahadunn: packaging some software |
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| 14:26.02 | tarzeau | bahadunn: playing some games ? |
| 14:26.26 | bahadunn | tarzeau: no I am upgrade some website software |
| 14:26.28 | x_link | cahoot: Hi, so nice that the sound works properly now =) Thanks again ;D |
| 14:26.34 | bahadunn | tarzeau: production stuff |
| 14:26.36 | GaiaX11 | Any hints? |
| 14:26.43 | bahadunn | tarzeau: if it goes down my baby will cry |
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| 14:27.14 | maddash | what's a good (reliable) primer to iptables? |
| 14:27.26 | tls_81 | GaiaX11: build from source... |
| 14:28.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: did you see synfig is in debian now? |
| 14:28.12 | tomer | how to allow members of a group to create files and directories but not to be able to delete and remove files owned by other users that are in the same group? |
| 14:28.39 | GaiaX11 | tls_81: I tried using backports, but did not manage. I do not know why |
| 14:28.58 | azeem | tomer: for the first, set the sticky bit (I think), for the second, don't make them group-writable I guess |
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| 14:35.21 | Saint-Takeshi | things i need to fix today: somthing's up with my fglrx installation, as glxinfo still reports inderect rendering. and i don't have any of my mmorpgs installed. once those two issues are fixed, i can get drunk... |
| 14:35.32 | stew | tomer: make the directory 1775 or 1770 or something, the xx7x makes it group read/writable. the 1xxx makes it "sticky" so that only the owner can delete |
| 14:35.56 | GaiaX11 | How do I upgrade from etch stable > testing? |
| 14:36.10 | GaiaX11 | Is it safe? |
| 14:36.31 | SlayerXP | GaiaX11: if you have to ask the answer is "no" |
| 14:36.35 | tomer | if it igroovey |
| 14:36.40 | stew | GaiaX11: /msg dpkg etch->lenny ; no, it is not safe. lenny is buggier and does not get timely secutiry updates |
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| 14:37.30 | maddash | lenny is unstable? |
| 14:37.43 | Ronin | maddash: lenny is testing |
| 14:37.43 | Snadder | !winegcc |
| 14:38.02 | Snadder | Anyone know which package winegcc is apart of? |
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| 14:38.23 | Saint-Takeshi | i'm using testing for most packages, but security updates are still etch (mostly because i didn't know exactly what to change them to) ...is that gonna cause me problems? |
| 14:38.30 | stew | maddash: no, lenny is testing |
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| 14:39.01 | stew | maddash: unless you mean unstable as an adjective, in which case, yes, it is unstable, hundreds of packages change daily |
| 14:39.14 | GaiaX11 | The problem is that I need libgtk_ newest to install a program (Scribes). And the Libgtk etch is outdated for it |
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| 14:39.30 | bbb | aloha |
| 14:39.31 | maddash | !tell GaiaX11 about backports |
| 14:39.31 | stew | GaiaX11: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 14:40.41 | tls_81 | GaiaX11: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gtk+/ |
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| 14:41.59 | abrotman | GaiaX11: scribus ? |
| 14:42.13 | abrotman | scribus is in etch already |
| 14:42.19 | tls_81 | GaiaX11: instead of switching to lenny/Sid IMO I would give building from source...then you know what ur getting... |
| 14:42.42 | Snadder | How do I find out which package a given binary name is in? |
| 14:42.58 | BenderUnit22 | Snadder: I do that with apt-file. |
| 14:43.06 | BenderUnit22 | But there might be better ways (dpkg, or so). |
| 14:43.06 | stew | Snadder: dpkg -S filename |
| 14:43.24 | GaiaX11 | abrotman: No. Scribes (a text editor tag for programing in many languages) > http://scribes.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:43.24 | stew | Snadder: (or dlocate filename which is faster, but not installed by default) |
| 14:45.17 | Snadder | Well. its a binary I need to install.. its not on the system at the moment |
| 14:45.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: funny? http://www.rukola.com/30.html |
| 14:45.23 | BenderUnit22 | Snadder: apt-file. :) |
| 14:45.26 | Snadder | AS i've said abow.. i'm looking for winegcc.. i've installed the two packages wine-utils and wine |
| 14:45.50 | Nemoder | Is there a way to force lilo to not access a particular disk? "disk=/dev/xxxx inaccessible" isn't doing anything. |
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| 14:45.52 | abrotman | GaiaX11: ah ok |
| 14:46.08 | Snadder | BenderUnit22, apt-file search winegcc returned nothing |
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| 14:46.28 | BenderUnit22 | Hmz. If you did update it first, I wouldn't know. :) |
| 14:46.37 | BenderUnit22 | I guess it then isn't in a repository package... |
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| 14:46.55 | krekon | how can I configure kernel in order users to use ports below 1024? |
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| 14:47.33 | ofer | krekon, you don't want to do that |
| 14:47.34 | suppaman | hello |
| 14:47.44 | suppaman | I'm having a weird problem with debian unstable |
| 14:47.46 | krekon | y? |
| 14:47.55 | stew | suppaman: be more specific |
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| 14:48.07 | suppaman | stew: sure, I'm writing |
| 14:48.08 | suppaman | :-) |
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| 14:48.33 | krekon | ofer why? |
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| 14:48.52 | schme`` | krekon: Why do you want to do that? |
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| 14:49.15 | hq | test |
| 14:49.20 | suppaman | I rebooted (after long time) and it doesn't start, it complaints about missing modules. The boot sequence eventually reaches a shell, from there I can see it's not mounting root fs |
| 14:49.20 | hq | good |
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| 14:49.25 | simonrvn | krekon: not a good idea. at all. there's good reasons for that |
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| 14:49.41 | krekon | because I want to run apache as user and I can't bind in port 80 |
| 14:49.48 | suppaman | the point is it's not recognizing the hard discs at all, I mean the issuing a dmesg | grep hd returns nothing |
| 14:49.52 | gonzaloaf | hi, is is posible to save all my history commands forever? |
| 14:49.55 | simonrvn | it runs as www-data already |
| 14:50.15 | simonrvn | krekon: are you wanting suexec or something? |
| 14:50.21 | benjamin_ | and if you want your scripts to run as a different user, check out suexec, suphp or similar |
| 14:50.41 | suppaman | I don't know what could have changed, I seldom reboot the box ( I think only once last year ) |
| 14:50.43 | krekon | I'll chek it |
| 14:50.43 | thp | gonzaloaf: set HISTCONTROL, HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE environment variables |
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| 14:50.55 | suppaman | any hint ? |
| 14:51.14 | thp | gonzaloaf: http://www.faqs.org/docs/bashman/bashref_106.html (of course, this is assuming you're using bash as shell |
| 14:51.21 | krekon | simonrvn for vsftp is not the same |
| 14:51.28 | tls_81 | GaiaX11 are u trying to run on 64bit system? |
| 14:51.28 | krekon | it runs as root |
| 14:51.28 | jelly | suppaman: reboot with the old kernel? |
| 14:51.42 | suppaman | jelly: nice one |
| 14:51.53 | suppaman | I don't know if I upgraded since last reboot |
| 14:52.05 | suppaman | but sure it's worth a try |
| 14:52.09 | jelly | suppaman: fire the admin! :-) |
| 14:52.21 | simonrvn | krekon: and? |
| 14:52.37 | suppaman | jelly: I'd never do that to myself.. |
| 14:52.47 | ofer | http://www.funny-games.biz/theimpossiblequiz.html you must try this one |
| 14:53.07 | simonrvn | krekon: privsep, privelege separation. look it up |
| 14:53.37 | krekon | simonrvn I can't bind in port 20 or 21 and when I try to run in port greater than 1024 I can't login as local user |
| 14:53.38 | jelly | suppaman: but really, it can be any number of reasons. Knowing which driver is supposed to be used, which controller is used for booting, kernel version that worked before and the current one would be helpful |
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| 14:53.53 | suppaman | jelly: old kernel loaded the root partition |
| 14:54.04 | suppaman | jelly: a fe notes about modules version tho' |
| 14:54.11 | suppaman | few |
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| 14:54.27 | suppaman | it's like new kernel doesn't have the ide controller driver |
| 14:54.30 | gonzaloaf | thp, I know that, my question is if there is a set of values of $HISTFILESIZE, $HISTFILE.... that allow to save my history commands forever |
| 14:54.31 | simonrvn | krekon: hint, and some advice: learn how to use your OS before you go do dumb things |
| 14:55.07 | suppaman | jelly: new kernel's command line has root=301 parameter, is it normal ? |
| 14:55.16 | simonrvn | gonzaloaf: forever? do you have forever sized drives? i doubt it ;) |
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| 14:55.40 | Legality | hiya lads |
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| 14:55.49 | gonzaloaf | simonrvn, well its just a plain text file |
| 14:55.51 | suppaman | simonrvn: well if storage rate is 0b/day indeed he has |
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| 14:56.04 | Legality | hey, I need help abit, I can see this line in the syslog |
| 14:56.04 | Legality | mail /USR/SBIN/CRON[24750]: (www-data) CMD (/var/www/virtual/xxxx.org/htdocs/images/tunel/y2kupdate >/dev/null 2>&1) |
| 14:56.11 | Legality | how can I remove this cron? it can't find it |
| 14:56.25 | gonzaloaf | simonrvn, you could spend a life writing lines and you will never end up filling a 100G hard drive |
| 14:57.05 | GaiaX11 | tls_81: No. 32bit |
| 14:57.43 | suppaman | jelly: could an apt-get upgrade help? |
| 14:57.49 | Legality | hey, anyone knows? |
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| 14:57.54 | kjb | hi |
| 14:58.18 | gonzaloaf | Is if there is a set of values of $HISTFILESIZE, $HISTFILE.... that allow to save my history commands forever?? |
| 14:58.21 | suppaman | Legality: crontab ? |
| 14:58.40 | Legality | suppaman: it's not in crontab -e for example |
| 14:58.47 | jelly | suppaman: root=301 is a bit strange, usually it looks like root=/dev/sda1 |
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| 14:59.17 | simonrvn | whatever... effing "the world is limitless, let's use it all up" craptitude |
| 14:59.51 | suppaman | jelly: that's what I thought |
| 15:00.07 | suppaman | anyway now I cannot connect with the debian box |
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| 15:00.55 | homecable | Mem: 94692 91944 free 2748 |
| 15:01.07 | homecable | how do i free up mem ? |
| 15:01.16 | petemc | free up? |
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| 15:01.25 | homecable | its my router pc |
| 15:01.26 | abrotman | homecable: you're fine |
| 15:01.29 | petemc | homecable: why do you want to 'free' memory? |
| 15:01.35 | Legality | suppaman any idea where it could locate? |
| 15:01.37 | simonrvn | !free ram |
| 15:01.37 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 15:01.39 | stew | homecable: what does the next line read? (the -/+ buffers/cache line) |
| 15:01.42 | Snadder | why is winegcc apart of app-emulation/wine-0.9.32 in gentoo.. but it dosnt exist in debian sid? |
| 15:01.44 | abrotman | homecable: try vmstate .. and look at the si/so numbers |
| 15:01.48 | Snadder | I mean etch |
| 15:01.49 | homecable | top - 10:01:57 up 9:18, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 15:01.50 | homecable | Tasks: 33 total, 1 running, 32 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 15:01.50 | homecable | Cpu(s): 1.1%us, 0.4%sy, 0.0%ni, 96.7%id, 1.0%wa, 0.1%hi, 0.7%si, 0.0%st |
| 15:01.50 | homecable | Mem: 94692k total, 92112k used, 2580k free, 29768k buffers |
| 15:01.50 | homecable | Swap: 176672k total, 0k used, 176672k free, 43560k cached |
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| 15:01.51 | abrotman | !find winegcc etch |
| 15:01.56 | simonrvn | ... |
| 15:02.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'winegcc' (1): (/usr/bin/winegcc) in libdevel/libwine-dev. |
| 15:02.02 | abrotman | homecable: stop pasting in here .. jeez |
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| 15:02.07 | abrotman | homecable: no swap used .. you're fine |
| 15:02.34 | stew | homecable: so you have lots of free memory (cached memory can be used at any time as soon as it is needed) (/msg dpkg free memory) |
| 15:02.48 | d747 | Legality: look in dir /etc/cron.d/ |
| 15:03.06 | jelly | ... as far as 96MB RAM total can be called "lots" |
| 15:03.18 | gib8 | hi i have some problems with my hostnames, i edited the file /etc/hosts and now no more hostnames are available, but i thing the /etc/hosts is correct |
| 15:03.21 | homecable | ok |
| 15:03.37 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 15:03.37 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
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| 15:03.41 | tarzeau | jelly: is enough to run debian |
| 15:03.42 | Snadder | abrotman, no command like apt-file who can return that answer? |
| 15:03.43 | abrotman | !tell maximi89 about root |
| 15:03.46 | Snadder | abrotman, thanks alot! |
| 15:03.52 | gonzaloaf | Hello, I have enable the shell option histappend with $shopt -s histappend, but then I exit and log again the value is disabled again, how can I save this value to enable ??? |
| 15:03.53 | GaiaX11 | apt-get -t etch-backports install libgtk is the right command? |
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| 15:03.59 | abrotman | Snadder: sure .. aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search winegcc |
| 15:04.05 | jelly | tarzeau: yes, enough is a better term |
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| 15:04.21 | simonrvn | gonzaloaf: .bashrc, .bash_profile |
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| 15:04.30 | simonrvn | ONLY one of them... |
| 15:04.35 | homecable | do i need to make a new kernel if its just a router ? |
| 15:04.51 | stew | homecable: no |
| 15:04.52 | gonzaloaf | simonrvn, which on is the correct one to use? |
| 15:04.57 | Snadder | abrotman, ah. thanks again. I forgot apt-file update |
| 15:05.07 | simonrvn | personally i'd put it in .bash_profile |
| 15:06.37 | gonzaloaf | simonrvn, what does the standards say? |
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| 15:07.26 | gib8 | i have in my hostname the same hostname as in my hosts but i always get the message "cant get hostname of this maschine" |
| 15:07.34 | homecable | model name : Pentium MMX |
| 15:07.34 | homecable | stepping : 3 |
| 15:07.34 | homecable | cpu MHz : 199.323 |
| 15:07.44 | homecable | thats what i use for my router |
| 15:08.13 | simonrvn | gonzaloaf: "standard"? :) more like logic than anything... .bashrc is used by interactive shells, .bash_profile is used by login shells... there is no "standard", just what you want to do |
| 15:09.10 | simonrvn | .bashrc gets called by interactive login shells also |
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| 15:09.12 | Sp4rKy | i would manage many computer at same time with ssh, does anyone know how i can do ? |
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| 15:09.32 | sussudio | cpu MHz : 166.194 |
| 15:09.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 15:09.32 | homecable | heh |
| 15:09.33 | tarzeau | Sp4rKy: pconsole ? |
| 15:09.39 | Sp4rKy | (ie, once i'm connected, just write one command, and it will be started on all computers) |
| 15:09.45 | homecable | simonrvn that ur router ? |
| 15:09.45 | Sp4rKy | tarzeau: maybe, i don't know |
| 15:09.51 | tarzeau | Sp4rKy: yes that's what it does |
| 15:10.00 | epsas | sussudio - ssh keys |
| 15:10.01 | Sp4rKy | tarzeau: yes :) |
| 15:10.05 | simonrvn | not mine, bad tab completion... |
| 15:10.06 | Sp4rKy | tarzeau: thanks a lot ! |
| 15:11.31 | homecable | i use dropbear on my router |
| 15:11.33 | gonzaloaf | Hi, in the header of the bashrc file says " executed by bash(1) for non login shells.", what is a non login shell ? |
| 15:11.40 | homecable | less mem |
| 15:11.48 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: xterm possibly? |
| 15:11.48 | homecable | ssh 2 |
| 15:11.49 | homecable | :P |
| 15:12.32 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, non login shell = login to a shell that is not bash? |
| 15:12.44 | abrotman | not quite |
| 15:13.01 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, can you clear this concept for me please? |
| 15:13.20 | sussudio | epsas: ssh: keys: Name or service not known ? |
| 15:13.53 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/courses/build/shell-scripting/ch02.html |
| 15:14.07 | tuvwx | my raid0 array does not get assembled on boot anymore. it's not a root array and is not assembled by initramfs. i have to list the devices in a manual mdadm --assemble command manually to get it assembled. mdadm --assemble --scan does not find it! |
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| 15:14.31 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: eh .. that was vague :) |
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| 15:15.33 | rahul | gonzaloaf: a non-login shell is a shell that is not started as the result of you logging in |
| 15:15.41 | epsas | sussudio - http://rcsg-gsir.imsb-dsgi.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/documents/internet/node31.html |
| 15:15.41 | rahul | gonzaloaf: such as a terminal emulator you start in X |
| 15:15.50 | abrotman | i said xterm! |
| 15:15.56 | rahul | in an existing X session |
| 15:16.14 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: roughly .. if you don't have to enter username/password to actually get the shell .. it's non-login |
| 15:16.14 | Legality | Is it possible to delete a cronjob straight from -/var/spool/cron/crontabs/xxx ?? |
| 15:16.29 | rahul | abrotman: xterm is so 80s |
| 15:16.44 | abrotman | rahul: it works :) |
| 15:16.48 | rahul | heh |
| 15:16.59 | rahul | (which is more than can be said for many of the more "modern" terms) |
| 15:17.09 | abrotman | and until recently .. i didn't know you could change the font size (i'd never tried) |
| 15:17.14 | rahul | heh |
| 15:17.16 | rahul | silly abrotman |
| 15:17.25 | abrotman | it only matters when i don't have my contacts in |
| 15:17.28 | simonrvn | unless you explicitly set xterm to start a login shell ;p (to confuse things) |
| 15:17.37 | Legality | Is it possible to delete a cronjob straight from -/var/spool/cron/crontabs/xxx ?? |
| 15:17.46 | rahul | xterm has more features than you've ever imagined possible |
| 15:17.47 | jelly | Legality: everything is possible, but it's better to use working procedures (crontab -u USER -e) than messing with files |
| 15:17.48 | simonrvn | abrotman: ctrl-mouse button hold |
| 15:17.51 | rahul | it's the most heavyweight term |
| 15:17.57 | simonrvn | abrotman: all 3, too |
| 15:18.05 | abrotman | simonrvn: i know .. i found it one day accidentyally |
| 15:18.20 | abrotman | rahul: uhm .. i doubt it's heavier than konsole or gnome-terminal |
| 15:18.22 | gonzaloaf | rahul, great, now that I have this concept clear... we can conclude that: if you want to save a value for all your login and non-login shell sessions you have to use the .bash_profile file? |
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| 15:18.38 | simonrvn | konsole or g-t are heavier and crappier |
| 15:18.44 | simonrvn | s,or,and, |
| 15:18.46 | abrotman | the tabs are nice .. but that's about it |
| 15:19.02 | _ke | does anybody of you knows julien blache's nickname on irc? |
| 15:19.03 | abrotman | and if you're using a tabbed WM .. ti doesn't matter anyways |
| 15:19.09 | abrotman | _ke: why? |
| 15:19.21 | simonrvn | he wants to spam him :P |
| 15:19.27 | stew | _ke: db.debian.org should tell you |
| 15:19.29 | _ke | hehe ;) |
| 15:19.32 | _ke | thanks |
| 15:19.39 | suppaman | I cannot add a correct route rule to reach the internet |
| 15:19.50 | suppaman | even if I'm pinging the router |
| 15:19.59 | abrotman | stew: too bad it lists a nick that on this server is taken by someone else :) |
| 15:20.01 | simonrvn | you can, just gotta do it correctly ;p |
| 15:20.11 | suppaman | simonrvn: eh :-) |
| 15:20.26 | suppaman | simonrvn: I'm trying, I used to do that quickly |
| 15:20.29 | stew | abrotman: its the correct nick for irc.debian.org |
| 15:20.34 | Legality | jelly: You're the best, no one else knew that |
| 15:20.35 | _ke | weird, i only can find "jb", but thats another guy here on irc |
| 15:20.37 | abrotman | i'm sure it is |
| 15:20.41 | suppaman | simonrvn: I'm pinging 192.168.0.1 that's my router |
| 15:20.43 | abrotman | _ke: try irc.oftc.net |
| 15:20.44 | stew | _ke: try irc.debian.org |
| 15:20.51 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 15:21.06 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 15:21.07 | rahul | gonzaloaf: save a value? |
| 15:21.08 | abrotman | jelly: that's a novel way to get rid of belly button lint! |
| 15:21.16 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 15:21.29 | suppaman | simonrvn: I'm using route add -net default dev ra0 gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:21.30 | rahul | gonzaloaf: hrm, there's also /etc/environment... dunno if there's a per-user version of that |
| 15:21.41 | rahul | abrotman: I think it's heavier than gnome-terminal, actually |
| 15:21.45 | gonzaloaf | rahul, like $shopt -s histappend, to set it to be enabled for all my shell sessions |
| 15:21.50 | abrotman | rahul: no freaking way |
| 15:21.54 | rahul | gonzaloaf: you do that with bashrc |
| 15:22.13 | rahul | abrotman: freaking way. xterm is HEAVY. |
| 15:22.14 | suppaman | simonrvn: and that rule is accepted but I cannot resolve any domain name |
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| 15:22.21 | abrotman | rahul: try it! |
| 15:22.32 | rahul | abrotman: I have.... |
| 15:22.32 | jelly | rahul: rxvt-unicode-lite ftw |
| 15:22.37 | rahul | jelly: exactly! |
| 15:22.54 | abrotman | lies! |
| 15:23.00 | Ronin | welcome to irc where we have so much free time that we argue over which is the bigger term |
| 15:23.18 | jelly | mine is 15.4" |
| 15:23.18 | suppaman | this is the traceroute to my dns |
| 15:23.20 | suppaman | traceroute to 62.101.81.80 (62.101.81.80), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets |
| 15:23.20 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.23 | Ronin | not quite bash worthy though yet |
| 15:23.25 | suppaman | and it stops |
| 15:23.32 | simonrvn | suppaman: check your dns, and your hosts file. you sure it's ok? |
| 15:23.41 | mmlj4 | suppaman: which one of those is your rotuer? |
| 15:23.50 | suppaman | hosts what for ? I'm using numeric ips |
| 15:23.59 | suppaman | mmlj4: 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:24.04 | rahul | your router is not set up right, then |
| 15:24.07 | simonrvn | fuck, i have 256 MB RAM and i don't have a problem with xterm, and i'm running uxterm |
| 15:24.11 | suppaman | mmlj4: wait my router for the internet |
| 15:24.14 | rahul | um, ytou're not USING your router |
| 15:24.22 | rahul | you're set up to use some random machine as a router |
| 15:24.31 | suppaman | rahul: how can you say that ? |
| 15:24.44 | suppaman | btw the router is fine, this ibook is using it to connnect |
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| 15:25.02 | rahul | suppaman: because that's what you told us |
| 15:25.04 | simonrvn | suppaman: wtf, different network dude |
| 15:25.24 | rahul | suppaman: your machine is sending the packet to a machine that's not your router |
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| 15:25.51 | rahul | suppaman: you said it. I didn't. |
| 15:26.06 | jelly | Hi, I'm using Debian with a custom 2.6.22-rc3 kernel with ck patches, suspend2 patches, force_hpet patches, and some driver updates from the -mm tree, and it is not stable. Debian sucks. |
| 15:26.21 | suppaman | let me explain: I have the adsl line, it goes to the the router through the modem, the router that has a switch, local network here is 192.168.0.0 |
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| 15:26.38 | simonrvn | jelly: rube goldberg install |
| 15:26.42 | suppaman | to the switch is connected a wifi router that has wireless interface on 192.168.1.0 |
| 15:26.58 | ftp3 | hey.. how do I make apt actually reinstall something? My "mysql" is screwed up.. I did "apt-get remove mysql-server", it says it did, but all the files are there.. so, I manually removed some of them and ran "apt-get install mysql-server", it says it installed it, but the files I erased (my.conf, startup script, etc) did not reappear.. |
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| 15:27.05 | suppaman | so I have to tell my box to reach 192.168.0.0 using 192.168.1.1 as gateway |
| 15:27.06 | rahul | simonrvn: nah, that's too simple to be rube goldberg |
| 15:27.18 | suppaman | and in fact I can ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:27.23 | rahul | ftp3: remove is different from purge |
| 15:27.24 | simonrvn | ftp3: you didn't purge, first of all |
| 15:27.38 | suppaman | now I'd like to tell my debian box to reach everything else through 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:27.45 | suppaman | and thid doesn't work |
| 15:27.46 | simonrvn | ftp3: second, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:27.47 | rahul | ftp3: apt-get install --reinstall --purge package |
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| 15:28.08 | ftp3 | rahul,simonrvn: man apt-get does not show purge on my machine |
| 15:28.22 | simonrvn | search more carefully then |
| 15:28.23 | rahul | it's an option |
| 15:28.24 | suppaman | rahul: why did you say I'm using a random machine as router ? |
| 15:28.26 | rahul | not a command |
| 15:28.36 | rahul | suppaman: because that's what your traceroute said. |
| 15:28.46 | gonzaloaf | how can I tell one app to start with a specific locale? |
| 15:28.47 | suppaman | rahul: where the "random" get out from I mean |
| 15:28.50 | rahul | bardeau (192.168.1.70) is your router |
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| 15:28.54 | simonrvn | 1 bardeau (192.168.1.70) 2993.718 ms !H 2998.239 ms !H 2999.447 ms !H |
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| 15:28.58 | rahul | suppaman: because it's not what you said is your router |
| 15:28.59 | simonrvn | that line |
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| 15:29.14 | suppaman | rahul: it's not, that's the wireless interface ip address |
| 15:29.24 | simonrvn | 1 is always the router the box is routing its packets to |
| 15:29.24 | heimdall | Hi guys, I have a little problem here |
| 15:29.25 | suppaman | 192.168.1.70 is the debian box itself |
| 15:29.35 | rahul | suppaman: then it can't access your router |
| 15:29.36 | moja | which pakage do I need to install to det the /usr/include/mysql libraries? |
| 15:29.47 | suppaman | bardeau:~# ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:29.47 | suppaman | PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 15:29.47 | suppaman | 64 bytes from 192.168.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=254 time=5.41 ms |
| 15:29.47 | rahul | suppaman: looks like you have a really messed up routing table |
| 15:30.26 | heimdall | I need to automatically set my Debian at startup to set the route default gateway through ppp0 |
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| 15:30.26 | rahul | uh |
| 15:30.26 | azeem | moja: libraries aren't in /usr/include |
| 15:30.26 | rahul | suppaman: router is dependent on destination |
| 15:30.26 | suppaman | rahul: indeed |
| 15:30.26 | heimdall | but route asks for an IP as gw, not a dev |
| 15:30.27 | rahul | heimdall: pppconfig |
| 15:30.27 | stew | moja: libmysqlclient15-dev |
| 15:30.28 | ftp3 | rahul: that command did not work.. its not re-installed |
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| 15:30.31 | dwu | Er, here's a thing, if your debian box is 192.168.1.70 and your router is 192.168.0.1, you have a funky netmask for 192.168 anyway :) |
| 15:30.31 | simonrvn | moja: apt-cache search mysql dev; and what azeem said. *headers* are in /usr/include |
| 15:30.31 | suppaman | rahul: I had not routing table at all I'm trying to build one to upgrade system |
| 15:30.33 | tuvwx | why wouldn't 'mdadm --assemble --scan' recognize my array, although an explicit list of devices in the mdadm command works? |
| 15:30.37 | moja | azeem: ok header files |
| 15:30.40 | rahul | suppaman: that sounds like nonsense |
| 15:30.51 | rahul | god, this channel is overrrun by confused newbies |
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| 15:30.58 | rahul | my head is spinning |
| 15:31.00 | jelly | simonrvn: funny thing is it's true ;-) Now I have to figure out how to get a capture of the oops on a machine with no serial port |
| 15:31.01 | dwu | And, suppaman, why can't you just look at your ibook network configuration and edit /etc/network/interfaces to match? |
| 15:31.06 | dwu | rahul: Yeah :) |
| 15:31.07 | simonrvn | go dwu |
| 15:31.20 | dwu | Oh, hey, simonrvn :) |
| 15:31.24 | simonrvn | rahul: yes :| |
| 15:31.30 | simonrvn | dwu: helloes |
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| 15:31.54 | dwu | simonrvn: I can't -stand- seeing networks misunderstood, I mean, the basics are -easy- :) |
| 15:31.58 | rahul | I'm gonna do some work.. it's easier |
| 15:32.00 | moja | thanks all |
| 15:32.17 | jelly | dwu: nothing wrong with a /23 netmask ;-) |
| 15:32.29 | suppaman | dwu: I know the ibook config and the (usual) debian box config, in fact I did the setup |
| 15:32.31 | simonrvn | or a /28 ;p |
| 15:32.41 | suppaman | dwu: the point is that it's not working as it used to |
| 15:32.56 | dwu | jelly: Dude, the guy apparently doesn't understand gateways etc., I don't want him messing about with 255.255.254.0 ;) |
| 15:33.12 | simonrvn | jelly: oh crap. i thought you were making that up hehehe |
| 15:33.17 | dwu | suppaman: Reconfigure debian network to match (working) iBook config. Test. Be happy. |
| 15:33.31 | suppaman | ok |
| 15:33.32 | jelly | simonrvn: that's why I put it that way ;-) |
| 15:33.32 | suppaman | bye |
| 15:33.35 | dwu | simonrvn: Heh, nowt wrong with CIDR :) |
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| 15:33.43 | dwu | ... I got rid of him! Win me! |
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| 15:33.52 | jelly | !win dwu |
| 15:33.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, dwu! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 15:34.04 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 15:34.08 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.10 | dwu | ... yeah, sounds about the same place as usual, in a beauty contest for one. |
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| 15:34.22 | simonrvn | gotta do that again, now be quiet |
| 15:34.25 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 15:34.27 | dwu | NO |
| 15:34.29 | dwu | :) |
| 15:34.30 | jelly | grr |
| 15:34.31 | rahul | heh |
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| 15:34.37 | simonrvn | !lart dwu |
| 15:34.40 | dwu | simonrvn: Oh yeah, checkit: http://phated.com:6666 |
| 15:34.47 | dwu | Errrrrr. |
| 15:34.50 | dwu | simonrvn: Oh yeah, checkit: http://phated.com:6666/blog ;) |
| 15:34.52 | jelly | now the ascii man will never get his /'\ |
| 15:35.07 | dwu | dwu, the great emasculator! |
| 15:35.09 | rahul | jelly: no /|\ for him? |
| 15:35.14 | simonrvn | hehe, Phastebin |
| 15:35.18 | jelly | rahul: atari is dead |
| 15:35.24 | rahul | heh |
| 15:35.25 | dwu | simonrvn: Yeah, blog is the funner one tho, pink! ;) |
| 15:35.46 | rahul | I got a lower body reminds you of atari. |
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| 15:36.01 | rahul | someone set us up the backbeat |
| 15:36.10 | jelly | !mibg |
| 15:36.23 | dwu | *bow chicka bow wow* |
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| 15:36.54 | simonrvn | *boom chicka wow wow* |
| 15:37.22 | simonrvn | rahul: keep your lower body to yourself |
| 15:37.25 | rahul | nah, it's a backbeat |
| 15:37.25 | dwu | Heh. |
| 15:37.37 | rahul | bow boom-chika wow wow-boom |
| 15:37.41 | rahul | hrm |
| 15:37.57 | rahul | don't think that works... I'll have to get James to put together a backbeat with that riff :P |
| 15:38.15 | dwu | Heheheh :) |
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| 15:38.26 | simonrvn | !beat rahul |
| 15:38.28 | rahul | it can be the hidden track on their next album |
| 15:38.31 | simonrvn | back beat |
| 15:38.32 | dwu | simonrvn: Yeh, my partner bought me that domain for Valentine's, isn't he sweet? and then I changed nicks :) |
| 15:38.40 | sussudio | %bear simonrvn |
| 15:38.41 | simonrvn | aaaw |
| 15:38.54 | jelly | hmm |
| 15:38.58 | simonrvn | @kiss sussudio |
| 15:39.04 | jelly | !sussudiosmite sussudio |
| 15:39.06 | simonrvn | eh eh |
| 15:39.14 | rahul | !sing sussudio |
| 15:39.17 | dwu | simonrvn: Well, actually, think I changed nick shortly before Valentine's, but he bought it in December or summat. And then I got wordpress! \o/ |
| 15:39.28 | simonrvn | \o/ |
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| 15:39.41 | dwu | And pastebin, etc. |
| 15:39.43 | jelly | ... |
| 15:39.51 | simonrvn | dwubin doesn't have the same ring to it |
| 15:39.58 | dwu | No, it really doesn't :) |
| 15:40.08 | rahul | it sounds kinda like doobie |
| 15:40.22 | dwu | So I'm keeping that teeny bit of identity for a bit. |
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| 15:40.56 | simonrvn | ohnoes :P |
| 15:40.58 | dwu | Heh. |
| 15:41.06 | suppaman | dwu: I tried but it's not working |
| 15:41.06 | simonrvn | heee's baaack :P |
| 15:41.12 | suppaman | simonrvn: me ? |
| 15:41.15 | dwu | Oh, gods, he's yours this time. |
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| 15:41.37 | stew | suppaman: put the output of 'ifconfig ; route -n' and the contents or /etc/network/interfaces into a pastebin |
| 15:41.39 | simonrvn | actually, no i GTG pretty soon :/ |
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| 15:42.07 | dwu | suppaman: They are, like, -on- the same network, yeah? |
| 15:42.09 | dwu | simonrvn: Darn. |
| 15:42.14 | simonrvn | a network i help with wants their cat5s sorted... |
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| 15:42.34 | dwu | Heh. I should go back to bed, really. |
| 15:42.53 | simonrvn | middle of the night there |
| 15:42.58 | dwu | Yeah, close to. |
| 15:43.10 | abrotman | stay up and play! |
| 15:43.14 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 15:43.16 | dwu | No! |
| 15:43.27 | abrotman | night night! |
| 15:43.34 | simonrvn | nini dwu |
| 15:43.35 | dwu | night! |
| 15:43.40 | dwu | G'night simonrvn :) |
| 15:43.49 | suppaman | ifconfig and route output here http://rafb.net/p/M0Ugzq59.html |
| 15:43.57 | suppaman | interfaces here http://rafb.net/p/nEwbkU24.html |
| 15:44.15 | cast | only 0115 here :) |
| 15:44.38 | suppaman | I just copied ra0 from eth21 as in the older driver release, that I'm using with this older kernel, the wireless card is ra0 while in the newer one it's eth21 |
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| 15:45.16 | vin` | eth21? |
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| 15:45.40 | suppaman | vin`: don't ask me |
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| 15:46.01 | abrotman | then who should we ask! |
| 15:46.12 | simonrvn | let's ask abrotman |
| 15:46.12 | Supaplex | http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html |
| 15:46.13 | suppaman | vin`: in dmesg it's eth1 but ifconfig and iwconfig handle it as eth21 |
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| 15:46.22 | abrotman | eth21 sounds good to me! |
| 15:46.32 | stew | suppaman: you shouldn't be calling iwconfig from an up line, it doenst' make sense to try to configure the wireless AFTER you give it an ip address, move essid,channel,key to wireless-essid, wireless-channel, wireless-key (man 7 wireless) |
| 15:46.33 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 15:47.36 | suppaman | stew: how should I put that then ? |
| 15:47.36 | jelly | abrotman: that's still an integer... I'll trade you my eth2.501 for it |
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| 15:47.37 | simonrvn | eth42:64 |
| 15:47.37 | stew | suppaman: i just told you, and so does "man wireless" and so does "man interfaces" |
| 15:47.37 | tuvwx | enouf, hey.. just wanted to let you know. upgraded to kernel 2.6.21 and my dvd burner issues seem to have been resolved :) |
| 15:47.37 | stew | suppaman: it looks like you haven't yet run "ifup ra0" |
| 15:47.40 | suppaman | yes |
| 15:47.42 | suppaman | and for a reason |
| 15:47.45 | tomer | do i need to create a user with smbpasswd for guest accounts? security = shared |
| 15:47.45 | tomer | <tomer> the share is working from a linux box but not windows, |
| 15:47.51 | suppaman | bardeau:~# ifup ra0 |
| 15:47.51 | suppaman | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 15:47.51 | suppaman | Failed to bring up ra0. |
| 15:47.55 | stew | (or you have and it failed becuase you need to configure wireless, then bring up the interface) |
| 15:47.56 | tuvwx | enouf, which indicates that it most probably was the jmicron driver |
| 15:47.58 | Supaplex | jelly: does it come with the switch supporting thoses vlans? :) |
| 15:48.07 | enouf | tuvwx: sweet deal .. now find out what the heck .. oh .. heh ;-) |
| 15:48.19 | suppaman | stew: does the fact that wireless is statically configured matter ? |
| 15:48.24 | stew | suppaman: no |
| 15:48.37 | stew | suppaman: does 'iwconfig' show your interface as being associated with an AP? |
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| 15:48.42 | suppaman | stew: I mean assigning ip address and then calling iwconfig works |
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| 15:49.11 | enouf | tuvwx: hopefully you can post / host / or just relay that info soemwhere (a lookout! message, with the hardware and specifics) ;-) |
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| 15:49.13 | suppaman | stew: http://rafb.net/p/0fZwo316.html |
| 15:49.32 | stew | suppaman: oh, wait, you are telling it to configure the wireless card named eth21 after you bring up the interface named ra0? why? |
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| 15:49.56 | suppaman | stew: oh lol |
| 15:50.04 | suppaman | I had to copy the stanza |
| 15:50.20 | tuvwx | enouf, i just did :) |
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| 15:51.01 | enouf | tuvwx: i mean the best way to debug, is have two versions, one working and one not ... compare -- oh yeah? where? the dev channel? bug report? |
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| 15:51.17 | suppaman | bardeau:~# ifup ra0 |
| 15:51.17 | suppaman | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 15:51.17 | suppaman | Failed to bring up ra0. |
| 15:51.23 | suppaman | not that better.. |
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| 15:52.22 | suppaman | let me show what I did |
| 15:54.38 | suppaman | route add -net 192.168.1.0 dev ra0 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 15:54.38 | suppaman | this is to reach my wireless network |
| 15:54.39 | suppaman | and in fact I can see other hosts on wireless network |
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| 15:54.41 | darkk^ | is it possible to build half of source package? e.g. I need xmms2-core/unstable at stable system, but I don't want to have -ruby, -gnomevfs and some other plugins. |
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| 15:54.42 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.42 | petemc | suppaman: you dont need a route out of your network to see other hosts on the same network.. |
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| 15:54.43 | suppaman | with this I can reach 192.168.0.0 and in particular "the" router |
| 15:54.43 | stew | suppaman: do you already have a route to 192.168.1.0/24 ? |
| 15:54.44 | suppaman | stew: I didn't as I connected to iwconfig by hand |
| 15:54.49 | suppaman | er to the wireless network |
| 15:54.58 | stew | suppaman: if you don't have a route to 192.68.1.0 then you cat use 192.168.1.1 as a gateway |
| 15:55.21 | rahul | wtf |
| 15:55.29 | rahul | suppaman: that is a gibberish route |
| 15:55.30 | suppaman | stew: now I have a route to 192.168.1.0 I just wrote that |
| 15:55.31 | jelly | darkk^: building is based on a makefile, debian/rules... you can probably edit it (or other files in debian/ in the unpacked source) to suit your needs |
| 15:55.34 | suppaman | rahul: which one |
| 15:55.41 | rahul | you don't have a direct route and a gateway to a network |
| 15:56.11 | rahul | ip route add 192.168.0/24 via ... or something |
| 15:56.14 | stew | suppaman: ok, what exactly is the problem? that you can't successfully run "ifup ra0"? |
| 15:56.16 | rahul | it makes no sense... |
| 15:56.27 | stew | rahul: you are mixing up ip and route syntax |
| 15:56.27 | suppaman | http://rafb.net/p/sPclKC77.html |
| 15:56.42 | rahul | stew: I am? |
| 15:56.47 | suppaman | rahul: I cannot understand what doesn't make sense to you |
| 15:56.56 | darkk^ | jelly, "apt-get build-dep" will get lots of stuff anyway. I know, that I can take every separate package, but that annoys a bit. |
| 15:56.56 | stew | rahul: yes |
| 15:56.59 | stew | rahul: oh, no |
| 15:57.00 | suppaman | btw the kernel get a sense and in fact I can ping 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:57.03 | rahul | suppaman: you have a dev and a gw... that's total gibberish |
| 15:57.26 | stew | suppaman: that routing table looks fine to me |
| 15:57.26 | stew | suppaman: what exactly is the problem |
| 15:57.27 | rahul | suppaman: it's like saying I live in the next town from my house |
| 15:57.28 | suppaman | rahul: dev is the device and gw is the host that has to route |
| 15:57.28 | jelly | darkk^: you don't have to apt-get build-dep if you know what you're doing ;-) |
| 15:57.41 | stew | rahul: what is wrong with that routing table? |
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| 15:57.51 | rahul | suppaman: no, dev is the device that has that exact network on it |
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| 15:57.58 | rahul | network/target |
| 15:58.04 | stew | rahul: no, it doesn't have to be |
| 15:58.08 | suppaman | stew: ok, here's the problem: when I try to add a default rule with gw 192.168.0.1 I cannot reach the internet |
| 15:58.21 | rahul | stew: if he has no route to the router, he has a messed up routing table |
| 15:58.27 | stew | rahul: he has a route to the router |
| 15:58.31 | jelly | darkk^: just get the source and the few -dev you think you'll need and try building (using an option for dpkg-buildpackage to make it ignore the build-depends) |
| 15:58.35 | rahul | suppaman: then fix the router... |
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| 15:58.54 | rahul | suppaman: or connect to the router in the first place |
| 15:58.56 | sayi | how can i install php 5.1.x on debian etch (amd64) |
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| 15:59.02 | sayi | please sos help.. |
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| 15:59.16 | stew | suppaman: and can you run "route add default gw 192.168.0.1" ? |
| 15:59.17 | rahul | sayi: read the debian users guide |
| 15:59.18 | darkk^ | jelly, does "build-dep" mark packages as auto-installed or as manual-installed ? |
| 15:59.28 | suppaman | rahul: have you any reference pls ? |
| 15:59.31 | rahul | darkk^: manually installed. build-dep is apt-get |
| 15:59.31 | suppaman | stew: I can |
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| 15:59.37 | stew | suppaman: what exactly is the problem? |
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| 15:59.41 | rahul | suppaman: I dunno... it's all common sense to me :P |
| 15:59.41 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:59.43 | sayi | rahul: which user guide ? |
| 15:59.44 | darkk^ | rahul, thanks. |
| 15:59.49 | rahul | sayi: the debian one |
| 15:59.55 | darkk^ | there is no reason (for me) to use build-dep then :) |
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| 16:00.16 | sayi | rahul: i want install php 5.1.x version on debian etch (amd64) |
| 16:00.21 | stew | suppaman: if this is the way you want your routing to come up, remove the gateway line from ra0, and add the two routing commands as up lines |
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| 16:00.29 | rahul | sayi: you said that already. |
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| 16:01.05 | sayi | rahul: where ? |
| 16:01.11 | sayi | i want install 5.1.x |
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| 16:01.19 | sayi | default apt package 5.2.x |
| 16:01.23 | sayi | but i want install 5.1.x |
| 16:01.27 | sayi | do you understand me ? |
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| 16:01.37 | azeem | sayi: why 5.1.x? |
| 16:01.38 | suppaman | stew: do you mean this way ? |
| 16:01.40 | suppaman | 192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 16:01.40 | suppaman | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 ra0 |
| 16:01.58 | sayi | my software run on 5.1.x |
| 16:02.00 | rahul | suppaman: those routes shuold be added without any effort |
| 16:02.01 | dwu | ... that's a -lot- of networks to be having. |
| 16:02.29 | rahul | suppaman: you need to add a defauly route and ytou're done |
| 16:02.29 | suppaman | rahul: man, "those" which ? |
| 16:02.32 | DexterF | is there a submount/subfs package in 4.0? I can't find a package browser on google |
| 16:02.36 | suppaman | rahul: that's the point |
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| 16:02.41 | rahul | suppaman: the ones you just said RIGHT THERE |
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| 16:02.49 | stew | suppaman: those routes are added just by having the correct address/netmask defined. then add the two static routes (the route to 192.168.0.0 via 192.168.1.1, and the default route) via 'up' lines |
| 16:02.50 | rahul | suppaman: so do that and you're done |
| 16:03.18 | rahul | ah, his default route is really on a different network? |
| 16:03.20 | suppaman | stew: what do you mena by "up lines" ? |
| 16:03.22 | stew | suppaman: you can't add a 'gateway' line becuase you can't add the default route until AFTER you have a route to the 192.168.0.0/24 netwrok |
| 16:03.39 | rahul | I guess that makes sense with the unreachable host his machine gave back before |
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| 16:03.49 | stew | suppaman: 'man interfaces', you already were trying to incorrectly use an 'up' line to configure your wireless |
| 16:04.01 | suppaman | stew: oh up lines in interfaces |
| 16:04.15 | suppaman | stew: I'm using route in console atm |
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| 16:04.26 | suppaman | so I have to reach 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 16:04.54 | suppaman | route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.1 should be fine, shouldn't it ? |
| 16:05.09 | stew | suppaman: yes, and you can do that by adding, "up ip r a 192.168.0.0/24 via 192.168.1.1" or "up route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.1" |
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| 16:05.46 | suppaman | now that I can reach 192.168.0.0 I should add the default rule, right ? |
| 16:06.02 | stew | suppaman: yes, add it after the rule for 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 16:06.06 | suppaman | which router should I specify, 192.168.1.1 or .0.1 ? |
| 16:06.22 | rahul | the router to the network you specified |
| 16:06.25 | suppaman | stew: I jsut added the rule for .0.0/24 |
| 16:06.31 | stew | suppaman: according to you, your default gateway is 192.168.0.1 |
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| 16:07.22 | suppaman | stew: ok, that's what I would have used but IRC tends to confuse me |
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| 16:07.36 | suppaman | bardeau:~# route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 16:07.36 | suppaman | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
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| 16:07.45 | rahul | wtf |
| 16:07.58 | suppaman | damn |
| 16:08.01 | suppaman | I have to go |
| 16:08.04 | rahul | suppaman: that's like saying, walk to the destination and then ask how to get there |
| 16:08.09 | stew | suppaman: i believe your gateway to 192.168.0.0 should be 192.168.1.1 |
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| 16:08.14 | suppaman | thank for trying |
| 16:08.21 | stew | suppaman: not 192.168.0.1 |
| 16:08.24 | suppaman | bardeau:~# route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:08.24 | suppaman | SIOCADDRT: File exists |
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| 16:08.30 | suppaman | oh lol |
| 16:08.33 | stew | suppaman: meaning you already addedd that route |
| 16:08.35 | suppaman | I mistyped network |
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| 16:08.40 | tech13 | where is the suggested place for changing umask for a couple of users? |
| 16:08.41 | suppaman | I should have write default |
| 16:09.01 | suppaman | in fact :-) |
| 16:09.03 | suppaman | it's working |
| 16:09.05 | suppaman | :-) |
| 16:09.06 | suppaman | thanks |
| 16:09.17 | suppaman | how's a bigger thanks ? |
| 16:09.19 | suppaman | THANKS |
| 16:09.35 | suppaman | bardeau:~# ping www.debian.org |
| 16:09.35 | suppaman | PING www.debian.org (194.109.137.218) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 16:09.35 | suppaman | 64 bytes from klecker.debian.org (194.109.137.218): icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=59.3 ms |
| 16:10.02 | dwu | stew: Nicely done :) |
| 16:10.07 | suppaman | I'll make a poster from the routing table, and attach it to the wall |
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| 16:10.28 | suppaman | now I'll upgrade this bad boy |
| 16:10.51 | stew | dwu: patience and perserverence gets the tortoise to jerusalem... or something |
| 16:11.16 | dwu | Tortoises! |
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| 16:11.18 | maddash | jerusalem? |
| 16:11.23 | jelly | %badger |
| 16:11.24 | badgers | well, badger is bar baz quuz thump |
| 16:11.32 | jelly | %mushroon |
| 16:11.38 | hwilde | i'm pretty sure tortoises do not understand our geographical boundaries |
| 16:11.42 | stew | or to klecker as the case may be here |
| 16:11.57 | rahul | petulance and pestillence get the badger to penix |
| 16:12.09 | jelly | what about flatulence? |
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| 16:15.34 | SRabbelier | Heya, I'm trying to get svnserve to run as a deamon through /etc/init.d, but the only directions I found on the http://subversion.tigris.org website are a lot shorter than the others scripts I have found in /etc/intit.d, am I missing something here? |
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| 16:24.07 | jelly | riiight... a kind coworker has made me a (literal) screenshot of my kernel oops. is there some OCR software in Debian more decent than gocr? |
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| 16:28.15 | maddash | hello, honorables |
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| 16:29.10 | bolt-work | I know this is completely off-topic, but I'm gonna complain a bit anyway. What the fuck is a Vista-certified LCD monitor?! Why are they putting these Vista stickers on everything? Does a monitor rated for Vista not perform well under other operating systems? Do vista-compatible graphics cards send out Vista-DVI? ARGH! |
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| 16:29.23 | grew | it has to be drm ready |
| 16:29.29 | grew | otherwise it gets downsampled to some asinine resolution |
| 16:30.14 | xand | bolt-work: hdcp |
| 16:30.29 | bolt-work | or you can just rip it, which is legal since you own it, and play it at full resolution anyway? |
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| 16:35.45 | gonzaloaf | hi, why do I see weird characters like this http://pastebin.ca/544829 when I do $man grep? |
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| 16:36.28 | Thaiger | I'm trying to get an ATI ES1000 working with Xorg, but so far no luck. I looked in the logs and I see it loading the RADEON driver, but then it gives a warning that there is no matching device section found for BusID PCI:16:13:0 even though an lspci shows 10:0d.0, is this the problem or could there be some other issue? The only error I get is after the warning, No Devices Detected |
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| 16:37.28 | asg | gonzaloaf: your locale is likely set to UTF-8 but the manpages are not fully compliant. Try LANG=C man grep |
| 16:38.15 | frank | Thaiger: if you only have one card, try just without BusID |
| 16:38.33 | Thaiger | frank: Oh, I thought that was required, I'll try without, thanks |
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| 16:39.26 | Thorrn4 | hello, how do u load Automatix ? |
| 16:39.57 | azeem | Thorrn4: you shouldn't |
| 16:40.05 | azeem | automatix is known to corrupt your system |
| 16:40.08 | Thorrn4 | oh |
| 16:40.14 | azeem | Thorrn4: which feature of automatix do you need? |
| 16:40.24 | Thorrn4 | I just wanted 2 check it out |
| 16:40.29 | Azar | Thorrn4: http://www.debianadmin.com/automatix2-setup-in-debian-etch.html |
| 16:40.29 | azeem | then don't |
| 16:40.41 | azeem | Azar: eh. |
| 16:40.46 | Thorrn4 | ok azeem |
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| 16:40.55 | Azar | azeem: sorry didn't pay attention, was looking for the link for him |
| 16:40.56 | azeem | Thorrn4: please ask Azar about all further problems with your system |
| 16:41.37 | craigevil | a simple aptitude install package will do everything Automatix will do without risking screwing things up |
| 16:42.24 | Azar | Thorrn4: azeem is right, if the package is not a debian package, not worth risking the system stability with 3rd party software |
| 16:42.28 | Thaiger | frank: Thanks that seemed to work, oddly enough it seems to work also as long as I use what it thinks the BusID is, but I prefer it not specified, Thanks again |
| 16:43.01 | frank | np |
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| 16:44.17 | Thorrn4 | also, I tried installing wine, from the site it said 2 add some code, and them 0.9.38 was available for d/l but its given me an error: http://pastebin.ca/544843 |
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| 16:45.13 | stew | Thorrn4: if you are having trouble with packages from winehq, ask them, not us |
| 16:45.31 | Thorrn4 | stew, they said apt-get is unsupported |
| 16:45.49 | xand | Thorrn4: use the package in debian or ask #wine |
| 16:45.55 | stew | Thorrn4: why not use the debian packages? |
| 16:46.36 | Thorrn4 | stew, its not 0.9.38 and i want 2 run a program, but it wont in 0.9.35 (i think thats wat the repos gave me) |
| 16:46.38 | stew | Thorrn4: if they won't support their own packages, we certainly won't either (especially since debian has its own packages that wouldn't ahve this conflict) |
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| 16:47.06 | ftp3 | so, now that it is quieter in here, I will re-ask :-)... I installed mysql using "apt-get install mysql-server, it worked great.. I rebooted.. it will not start.. I I tried to reinstall it.. fun begins.. anyway, I was told (here) to use this: apt-get install --reinstall --purge mysql-server which I did, but it is NOT removing the files (mysql, etc)... what am I doing wrong? (debian 4) |
| 16:49.20 | stew | ftp3: why won't it start? do you get an error when running /etc/init.d/mysql start ? |
| 16:49.49 | rahul | maybe --purge isn't respected by --reinstall |
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| 16:52.14 | ftp3 | well, now it wont because I erased some files trying to make it go away |
| 16:52.28 | ftp3 | before it gave no error anywhere but in /var/log/debug |
| 16:52.55 | abrotman | (it'd be innappropriate to laugh here .. right?) :) |
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| 16:53.33 | ftp3 | well, the error said "responded with ^g" thats it.. pretty vague |
| 16:53.35 | stew | ftp3: aptitude purge mysql-common ; aptitude install mysql-server ; then try again |
| 16:53.40 | SRabbelier | Is there a replacement for 'chkconfig svnserve on' on Debian? |
| 16:53.42 | abrotman | i don't think you can --reinstall and --purge in the same line |
| 16:53.48 | abrotman | SRabbelier: update-rc.d |
| 16:53.59 | SRabbelier | abrotman: thanks, will look into it |
| 16:54.06 | stew | abrotman: i think you can, but mysql-server is just a dummy package so it's not doing anything useful for him |
| 16:54.06 | Thorrn4 | xand, azeem Azar stew, I think I fixed the problem, ty for ur help |
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| 16:55.03 | dv_ | where can I find the helveltica font? |
| 16:55.51 | abrotman | apt-file search helvetica |
| 16:56.24 | dv_ | apt-cache you mean |
| 16:56.26 | dv_ | already did that |
| 16:56.28 | dv_ | no results |
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| 16:56.35 | stew | dv_: no, he meant apt-file |
| 16:56.36 | abrotman | no . i mean apt-file |
| 16:56.44 | stew | dv_: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 16:57.00 | SRabbelier | abrotman: update-rc.d svnserve defaults ? |
| 16:57.16 | ftp3 | stew, that worked to uninstall it.. aptitude install mysql-server seems to be hanging here (pasting 3 lines) |
| 16:57.17 | ftp3 | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 16:57.17 | ftp3 | /etc/init.d/mysql: line 122: /etc/mysql/debian-start: No such file or directory |
| 16:57.17 | ftp3 | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
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| 16:57.22 | abrotman | SRabbelier: you want the default run levels for it ? |
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| 16:57.28 | ftp3 | :-P |
| 16:57.29 | stew | !tell ftp3 about paste |
| 16:57.45 | ftp3 | it was 3 lines.. :-( |
| 16:57.52 | SRabbelier | abrotman I reckon so yes, I just want it to run it as a service on the.. regular/default runlevels I guess. |
| 16:57.52 | abrotman | it was four |
| 16:58.03 | stew | ftp3: it was four, and please don't paste even 3 |
| 16:58.05 | abrotman | SRabbelier: then that seems reasonable |
| 16:58.05 | ftp3 | oh.. then my copy/paste messed up. sorry |
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| 16:58.20 | abrotman | ftp3: no .. you spoke one and then quickly pasted three .. for a total of four .. use a pastebin |
| 16:58.22 | dv_ | well, apt-file doesnt find anything. |
| 16:58.31 | dv_ | is helveltica patented or something? |
| 16:58.36 | abrotman | !find helvetica etch |
| 16:58.37 | stew | ftp3: do the same thing with the mysql-server-5.0 package |
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| 16:58.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'helvetica' (3 of 14): (/usr/share/mgm/lib/{helvetica.xpm|helvetica2.xpm}) in admin/mgm ;; (/usr/share/phpgedview/www/fonts/{helvetica.php|helveticab.php}) in web/phpgedview ;; (/usr/share/games/FlightGear/Fonts/{helvetica_bold.txf|helvetica_medium.txf}) in games/fgfs-base. |
| 16:58.48 | abrotman | says there are 14 .. |
| 16:58.52 | stew | dv_: did you run 'apt-file update' ? |
| 16:58.54 | abrotman | though none of those actually help you :) |
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| 16:59.03 | SRabbelier | abrotman: Mhhh, I got this script here that refers to a '/etc/rc.status' file/command, anything similar to that? |
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| 16:59.12 | dv_ | yeah |
| 16:59.19 | abrotman | SRabbelier: and what's in rc.status ? |
| 16:59.39 | dv_ | I need the old helveltica font, -*-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1 |
| 16:59.40 | abrotman | SRabbelier: what are you trying to insatll? there's an svn package in etch |
| 16:59.42 | SRabbelier | abrotman: no clue, it calls it in the svnserve file |
| 16:59.52 | dv_ | I'll find it from other packages then |
| 16:59.58 | SRabbelier | abrotman: I installed the svn package, but it doesnt' provide a /etc/init.d file |
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| 17:00.17 | abrotman | uhm .. i believe that's the client .. |
| 17:00.22 | tanaka | hi |
| 17:00.27 | stew | abrotman: the client is the server |
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| 17:00.47 | abrotman | the package is subversion |
| 17:00.50 | tanaka | can someone tell me how to build firefox 2 from source |
| 17:00.50 | ftp3 | stew: nope: http://www.pastebin.ca/544873 (I pressed ctrl-c during the lock at invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. - both times).. but this is what happened |
| 17:00.51 | abrotman | and it has svnserve in it |
| 17:00.56 | abrotman | stew: i see that now |
| 17:01.07 | abrotman | tanaka: ask #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 17:01.22 | SRabbelier | abrotman: aye, I installed that one, I have svnserve installed etc, but no inti.d script, so I got one http://tinyurl.com/33vmmy |
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| 17:02.12 | abrotman | i have no idea what rc.status is |
| 17:02.37 | abrotman | an RH-ish thing i suppose ? |
| 17:02.43 | stew | ftp3: what command(s) did you run? |
| 17:02.49 | abrotman | on a hunch .. i'd guess you could comment out that line and the line following it |
| 17:02.53 | nwonknu- | I'll think about it |
| 17:02.54 | SRabbelier | abrotman: No idea either, I reckon it checks if the svnserve program is there? |
| 17:03.06 | abrotman | oh .. wait |
| 17:03.07 | ftp3 | stew: aptitude install mysql-server <-- (thats it) |
| 17:03.20 | ftp3 | stew: well, i removed it first, using your command |
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| 17:03.26 | stew | ftp3: you need to purge it first, or you need to install it with confmiss: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 17:03.54 | stew | ftp3: you removed it using what command? |
| 17:04.27 | gonzaloaf | asg, but all people says that utf8 is the best character encoding to use, how can a manpage fails? |
| 17:04.32 | abrotman | SRabbelier: there's a sample init.d script in /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 17:04.33 | stew | ftp3: and wait, i said that you should be doing this with the msyql-server-5.0 package, not the mysql-server package |
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| 17:05.14 | SRabbelier | abrotman: cool, I'll see if I can merge the two |
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| 17:06.20 | abrotman | erm .. okay |
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| 17:07.21 | SRabbelier | abrotman: err.. what's up with the PID file thingies? |
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| 17:07.54 | stew | SRabbelier: can you ask a more specific question than "what's up with..." |
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| 17:09.03 | tanaka | abrotman: nobody responds |
| 17:09.04 | SRabbelier | stew: the /etc/init.d/skeleton contains the line "PIDFILE=/var/run/$NAME.pid", can I leave it at that, or do I have to do something in order to have that work properly? |
| 17:09.11 | ftp3 | stew: thanks.. I appreciate the help :-) |
| 17:09.30 | stew | SRabbelier: you can leave it at that, just make sure NAME is being set somewhere above |
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| 17:10.44 | SRabbelier | stew: ok, thanks |
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| 17:12.12 | tanaka | how do you build & install firefox 2 in debian? |
| 17:12.24 | stew | tanaka: 'aptitude install iceweasel' |
| 17:12.29 | abrotman | SRabbelier: eh ? |
| 17:12.30 | stew | tanaka: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 17:12.41 | abrotman | tanaka: wait ... |
| 17:12.55 | rhalff | tanaka: yeah something about if you change one line of code, you have to re-brand firefox |
| 17:13.00 | abrotman | tanaka: we have iceweasel .. basically FF2 .. if you don't like our iceweasel .. read the docs at mozilla.org on how to build it |
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| 17:13.08 | rhalff | and debianers like to hack, so it has to be renamed :p |
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| 17:14.20 | abrotman | ircminer03: are you a person ? |
| 17:14.30 | stew | rhalff: you don't have to rebrand if you change one line of code. the problem is not that debianer like to hack, its that debian likes to provide security patches, and debian doesn't like to distribute non-free software such as the firefox logos |
| 17:15.20 | rhalff | stew: ah ok, I remember reading something like I've stated |
| 17:15.41 | tanaka | abrotman: is there any custom configuring required for debian 64 |
| 17:15.49 | stew | rhalff: you only have to rebrand firefox if they ask you to. ubuntu makes far more changes than debian ever did, and they don't have to rebrand it |
| 17:16.36 | suppaman | stew: know what ? in my case I was confused about the number of ppl who tried to talk with me at the same, and by the fact that a few sentences from different people appeared to be in conflict |
| 17:16.41 | rhalff | stew: ah ok odd then, I can understand they want to rebrand it when they get bug reports not having to do anything with their own source code. |
| 17:16.42 | sparrw | is there a web browser that will let me request a domain from a particular IP? |
| 17:17.19 | tarzeau | sparrw: not a web browser, but tools. however you won't get the result back if you don't have the ip |
| 17:17.25 | furrywolf | sparrw: one of the tamper-data extensions might be able to do it |
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| 17:17.39 | sparrw | tarzeau: huh? |
| 17:17.43 | tarzeau | furrywolf: and where would the webserver send the result back? to him? |
| 17:17.53 | sparrw | of course the result gets sent back to me |
| 17:18.00 | tarzeau | sparrw: haha, then no |
| 17:18.05 | Bushmills | sparrw: a firefox extension exists, also showing the geolocation |
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| 17:18.22 | furrywolf | tarzeau: I think he means sending a host: header even though the browser is accessing it from a http://ip.ad.dr.es// url... |
| 17:18.24 | rhalff | damn opensource, makes everything possible :p |
| 17:18.31 | tarzeau | furrywolf: that's not the same |
| 17:18.31 | sparrw | what furrywolf said |
| 17:18.32 | rhalff | nothing is secret :( |
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| 17:19.15 | sparrw | instead of requsting foo.com from dns("foo.com"), i want to request foo.com from a.b.c.d |
| 17:19.19 | furrywolf | sparrw: there's some tamper-data extensions that let you modify the http headers before the browser sends them... you can try one of those. |
| 17:19.53 | furrywolf | if not, you can always set up local dns for that name (stick it in your hosts file, for example), then your browser will resolve it, get your local version, and load it from the ip address you specified, giving the name. |
| 17:19.56 | davidL | this probably gets asked too often but is there an estimated time-frame for when nvidia modules will support paravirtualization included in 2.6.20 and .21 kernels? |
| 17:20.05 | Bushmills | sparrw: hostIP.info geolocation is the name of the extensiob |
| 17:20.07 | Bushmills | ion |
| 17:20.23 | abrotman | tanaka: i have no idea .. use iceweasel |
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| 17:20.26 | sparrw | thanks all |
| 17:20.54 | hwilde | paravirtualization? |
| 17:21.29 | davidL | I believe it is used by applications such as VMware |
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| 17:22.01 | davidL | more importantly, it makes the nvidia module fail to build |
| 17:22.12 | hwilde | what does this mean? multiple virtual machines running in parallel on the same hardware? |
| 17:22.18 | furrywolf | I have no clue what it is, I just know the nvidia driver is evil and should not be used. |
| 17:23.22 | furrywolf | complete total buggy crap. :) |
| 17:23.28 | davidL | Is anyone aware of an easier solution besides waiting and/or using kernel 2.6.18? |
| 17:23.47 | abrotman | davidL: your question might be better suited for #kernel |
| 17:24.01 | abrotman | davidL: or do you mean the nvidia debian packages ? |
| 17:24.03 | davidL | abrotman: thanks, I will ask there |
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| 17:24.49 | davidL | abrotman: the nvidia debian package fails to build as a result of a conflict between kernel and module |
| 17:24.59 | abrotman | oh .. that's not for #kernel :) |
| 17:25.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: the 3d modeler i found, is really great and easy... i found wings3d too hard |
| 17:25.59 | abrotman | pixie? |
| 17:26.09 | tarzeau | no that's the renderer, i mean mm3d, misfit model 3d |
| 17:26.15 | tarzeau | (it's like a milkshaker clone) |
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| 17:26.15 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:26.35 | tarzeau | and it does a whole lot of different 3d formats |
| 17:27.55 | vin` | tarzeau: packaged? |
| 17:28.17 | tarzeau | vin`: sure, http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/misfitmodel3d/ |
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| 17:29.58 | abrotman | oh .. but not Packaged :) |
| 17:30.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: you mean not in main? |
| 17:31.03 | abrotman | not in Debian? :) |
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| 17:31.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: matter of time |
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| 17:36.00 | tarzeau | yay new ww.freebasic.net is out! |
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| 17:38.07 | suppaman | tarzeau: is it a good news ? |
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| 17:39.41 | tarzeau | suppaman: yes |
| 17:40.08 | tarzeau | suppaman: well didn't check the sources yet, but once it's in debian. it enables many people to write bad software with an ugly language |
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| 17:40.32 | tarzeau | suppaman: which is good, because one day or another (or never) most of them will notice the limits and uglyness, and switch to C or something |
| 17:40.40 | Ronin | suppaman: so no, its not a good thing |
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| 17:40.50 | tarzeau | suppaman: of course they will never heal completely from the braindamange BASIC caused on them |
| 17:41.00 | tarzeau | suppaman: but it's great to get them started programming |
| 17:41.00 | the_lalelu | .oO(python!) |
| 17:41.06 | skyde | some one know raid |
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| 17:41.20 | skyde | i wish to have a scsi disk alone |
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| 17:41.22 | tarzeau | skyde: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/raid.jpg |
| 17:41.35 | skyde | but i have only a choice of raid0 raid 1 ... |
| 17:41.44 | skyde | my drive isn't visible if not |
| 17:41.49 | skyde | hardware raid |
| 17:41.56 | darkk^ | I'm going to mix a bit of testing into stable, but something goes wrong, apt-get stops getting data from cdrom`s, e.g. http://paste.org.ru/?vurhfi (even if cdrom and remote mirror have same versions) |
| 17:42.53 | Thaiger | I just installed GDM and I looked at the gdm.conf file and it hardly has anything in it! I though it used to come with a sample configuration? Is this file still avalable anywhere? |
| 17:42.58 | skyde | how do i setup a standalone scsi drive |
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| 17:43.26 | N1ckR | Im about to put debian on my home server main drive (after testing it for a while), is it possible for me to use a /boot with xfs ? |
| 17:43.49 | Ronin | skyde: umm do i understand you right, you want a raid setup with only one disk? |
| 17:43.51 | N1ckR | (I know the installer warns about grub (which I use)) |
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| 17:44.33 | skyde | Ronin : no i have only one scsi disk but to make it work my raid controler force me to chose a config |
| 17:44.46 | skyde | i can choose and raid 0 of only one drive |
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| 17:45.13 | abrotman | then don't use RAID at all |
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| 17:45.23 | abrotman | raid0 isn't raid |
| 17:45.24 | hark | Thaiger: it's for overrides.. /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf |
| 17:45.29 | skyde | how can i dont use raid |
| 17:45.32 | stew | skyde: can you choose "jbod" |
| 17:45.37 | skyde | no |
| 17:45.38 | skyde | ;( |
| 17:45.49 | abrotman | oh .. don't cry ... |
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| 17:45.52 | skyde | lol |
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| 17:51.14 | skyde | some one know how to use a scsi drive without raid |
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| 17:52.19 | Maerz | http://paste.debian.net/29783 <--- my harddisk is gone.. or not . (?) |
| 17:52.31 | xingu | skyde: can't you just tell the raid controller to build a volume on top of a whole, single disk? |
| 17:52.57 | skyde | no |
| 17:53.03 | xingu | skyde: what controller is it? |
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| 17:53.15 | Bushmills | Maerz, no, not the hard disk |
| 17:53.17 | homecable | how do i change my kernel from 2.6 to 2.4 ? |
| 17:53.29 | homecable | running etch |
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| 17:54.00 | abrotman | you don't |
| 17:54.00 | Maerz | Bushmills ok the partition |
| 17:54.17 | homecable | ? |
| 17:54.20 | Maerz | Bushmills but still, why ? it works in windows. |
| 17:54.24 | schme | homecable: compile a kernel. |
| 17:54.36 | xingu | !works in windows |
| 17:54.36 | dpkg | liar ! |
| 17:54.36 | Bushmills | Maerz: encrypted NTFS? |
| 17:54.49 | abrotman | homecable: why would you want to use 2.4 ? |
| 17:54.53 | Maerz | not that i know of |
| 17:54.54 | stew | homecable: 2.4 is not supported under etch. you can compile your own, but some stuff won't work. for instance, at least mysql-server and postfix are known to be broken under 2.4 with etch |
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| 17:55.01 | homecable | older pc |
| 17:55.08 | abrotman | homecable: how old ? |
| 17:55.14 | skyde | xingu : hp smart array |
| 17:55.20 | homecable | 200mhz |
| 17:55.28 | abrotman | homecable: FWIW .. i have etch running on a 486 DX2/66 with 36MB |
| 17:55.29 | stew | homecable: why not run 2.6? |
| 17:55.33 | Maerz | Bushmills sould i rewrite the partition table ? |
| 17:56.03 | stew | min is "cpu MHz : 132.972" and it runs etch with 2.6 just fine |
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| 17:56.22 | homecable | stew firewall setup ? |
| 17:56.22 | xingu | skyde: I've got about 1000 or so of those at work each with a pair of standalone volumes built on top of a single disk. |
| 17:56.25 | zoidy | is 25% i/o wait too high? |
| 17:56.25 | abrotman | stew: couldn't you pony up and get the other .28Mhz ? |
| 17:56.36 | Bushmills | Maerz: sorry, can't advise you here. i might tell you how to lose everything. |
| 17:56.40 | giavol | Hi. I want to silence my CD/DVD drive by forcing it to run at the lowest possible speed. However, hdparm -E doesn't work. Is there another way? I am not using ide-scsi, because the drive cannot write CDs/DVDs |
| 17:56.47 | Bushmills | Maerz: but i'd get rid of NTFS |
| 17:57.01 | Maerz | i know |
| 17:57.11 | Maerz | but i need t oaccess the data first do i ;) |
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| 17:57.19 | stew | homecable: yes |
| 17:57.28 | stew | abrotman: something about quartz crystals |
| 17:57.29 | homecable | you re do you kernel ? |
| 17:57.34 | homecable | you re do your kernel ? |
| 17:57.36 | suppaman | so I'm the only one with a powerful celeron 300A o/clocked at 450Mhz since '98 ? |
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| 17:57.39 | stew | homecable: huh? |
| 17:57.46 | abrotman | good thing he repeated that :) |
| 17:57.48 | homecable | did you use stock kernel |
| 17:57.52 | stew | homecable: yes |
| 17:58.08 | abrotman | suppaman: uhm .. my 486 is a dialup router :) |
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| 17:58.16 | homecable | what tweeks u do to ur router ? |
| 17:58.17 | schme | homecable: Are you experiencing any problems with the standard debian kernel? |
| 17:58.30 | stew | homecable: none |
| 17:58.40 | homecable | 0000:00:13.0: tulip_stop_rxtx() failed |
| 17:58.40 | homecable | eth1: Setting full-duplex based on MII#1 link partner capability of 41e1. |
| 17:58.40 | homecable | 0000:00:11.0: tulip_stop_rxtx() failed |
| 17:58.40 | homecable | eth0: Setting full-duplex based on MII#1 link partner capability of 45e1. |
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| 17:58.55 | abrotman | homecable: stop pasting god damnit .. you've been told numerous times |
| 17:58.59 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:58.59 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 17:59.10 | stew | homecable: don't paste in the channel. use a pasetbin |
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| 17:59.12 | Maerz | one line to much ^^ |
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| 17:59.35 | suppaman | abrotman: mine is my storage unit, my samba server for the local net and my mpd server |
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| 17:59.35 | abrotman | Maerz: three lines too much |
| 17:59.35 | suppaman | but it was my main unit until I get the ibook |
| 17:59.35 | stew | homecable: and please use full english words instead of 'u' and 'ur' |
| 17:59.38 | Maerz | more then 3 ?! abrotman |
| 17:59.48 | suppaman | the only thing I sometimes feel the need of power are FPS |
| 17:59.57 | suppaman | I damn like WolfensteinET and Tremulous |
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| 18:00.15 | suppaman | woa still upgrading |
| 18:00.19 | homecable | http://rafb.net/p/xtyoaL81.txt |
| 18:00.19 | suppaman | at 30kb/s |
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| 18:00.49 | abrotman | Maerz: eh .. he pasted three lines too many |
| 18:01.03 | abrotman | homecable: what's wrong wiht that ? |
| 18:01.13 | suppaman | it seems fine |
| 18:01.15 | Maerz | well the bot said max 3 and it were 4.. but nm |
| 18:01.16 | suppaman | maybe that's the point |
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| 18:01.30 | suppaman | abrotman: maybe he means it's tailored on his machine |
| 18:01.32 | abrotman | Maerz: you get kicked at four .. which is three lines too many :) |
| 18:01.56 | Maerz | ok ^^ |
| 18:02.01 | skyde | i needed to make a raid0 |
| 18:02.01 | suppaman | I'm getting hungry |
| 18:02.03 | Maerz | (i don'T get it) |
| 18:02.05 | suppaman | what time is it there ? |
| 18:02.12 | Maerz | 20:00 |
| 18:02.18 | homecable | 0000:00:13.0: tulip_stop_rxtx() failed |
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| 18:02.20 | sayi | hi |
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| 18:02.27 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.28 | suppaman | 2.6.1 or later. If you use a kernel 2.4, please upgrade it |
| 18:02.28 | suppaman | before installing glibc. |
| 18:02.32 | sayi | how can i extract digg.gz ? |
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| 18:02.56 | stew | suppaman: you are trying to upgrade to etch? are you following the release notes? |
| 18:03.03 | suppaman | damn that's why I had ra0 intstead of eth21, I had a backup on 2.4 |
| 18:03.07 | xingu | skyde: if orca is being abstruse just create raid0 drive with stripe width of 1 (one disk). |
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| 18:03.15 | suppaman | stew: do you remember the wireless question of about an hour ago ? |
| 18:03.21 | stew | suppaman: yes |
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| 18:03.31 | suppaman | stew: let me explain the backstage then |
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| 18:04.09 | suppaman | I had this etch upgraded, I seldom reboot (say like twice in a year, when forced) |
| 18:04.20 | suppaman | yesterday I rebooted and it didn't startup properly |
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| 18:04.34 | stew | suppaman: please dont' use <enter> in place of punctuation |
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| 18:04.58 | suppaman | the one after parenthesis was a type error |
| 18:05.07 | stew | suppaman: when you upgraded to etch, did you follow the release notes? |
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| 18:05.21 | suppaman | don't think so |
| 18:05.27 | stew | suppaman: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:05.36 | suppaman | I'm not coming from sarge |
| 18:05.42 | stew | suppaman: what are you coming from? |
| 18:05.44 | suppaman | are you arguing on 2.4 kernel ? |
| 18:05.56 | stew | suppaman: if you have a 2.4 kernel, its not supported under etch |
| 18:06.08 | stew | suppaman: (or anything older than 2.6 for that matter) |
| 18:06.13 | suppaman | stew: ok I got that. |
| 18:06.51 | suppaman | stew: the point is that I booted and, I don't know why, the kernel couldn't see the hd units. So I went to lilo prompt and found an old kernel and that one started |
| 18:07.32 | stew | suppaman: you couldn't see your hds using a stock 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:07.32 | suppaman | stew: yes |
| 18:07.37 | stew | suppaman: what kind of controller? sata? ide? scsi? |
| 18:08.08 | suppaman | stew: typing "dmesg | grep hd" gave nothing in output. The controller is a IDE on the i440bx chipset, pretty old and well known. |
| 18:08.16 | davidL | why does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not include the modules section in the newly made configuration file? |
| 18:08.51 | suppaman | stew: so I managed to connect with the backup kernel (and you know something about that) and tried to perform a apt-get upgrade but I hadn't noticed I was on 2.4 |
| 18:08.58 | suppaman | I tought the backup kernel was newer |
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| 18:09.28 | suppaman | stew: isn't it weird ? |
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| 18:09.46 | stew | suppaman: wait, you were able to boot far enough to run "dmesg"? so this isn't the drive you are booting from? |
| 18:09.57 | suppaman | stew: there was an emergency console |
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| 18:10.14 | suppaman | stew: what do you mean by using "this"? |
| 18:10.18 | suppaman | I'm typing from the ibook |
| 18:10.54 | suppaman | and connected to the debian box via ssh on ethernet |
| 18:10.55 | stew | suppaman: try explicitly listing the kenrel module for the ide chipset in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ; then 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version' |
| 18:11.21 | stew | suppaman: (where $version is the actual version of the kenrel image, perhaps something like 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:11.23 | suppaman | stew: so now I'm on an etch that has started with a 2.4 kernel |
| 18:11.30 | stew | suppaman: yes, i understand that |
| 18:11.42 | suppaman | stew: just to be sure |
| 18:12.45 | suppaman | initramfs-tools/modules contains nothing, or to be more precise contains only comments |
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| 18:13.26 | stew | ruight |
| 18:13.32 | stew | right, you should change that |
| 18:13.39 | homecable | anyone know about firewalls ? |
| 18:13.50 | stew | homecable: yes. someone knows about firewalls |
| 18:14.00 | suppaman | http://rafb.net/p/mbNlti80.html |
| 18:14.14 | suppaman | stew: but would could have corrupted a working installation ? |
| 18:14.27 | homecable | say i flood my self from a remote box and i dont lag but when i try to open firefox and go to a site i cant but i dont lag |
| 18:14.29 | stew | suppaman: i don't understand the question |
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| 18:14.45 | suppaman | stew: I mean I think I rebooted not that much time ago, like one month, and everything was preperly working |
| 18:15.12 | suppaman | stew: so I'm referring to the previous condition of the system as a "working installation" |
| 18:15.22 | himmelstrutz11 | hi. which is the most debian/amarok friendly portable mp3/ogg-player? (which holds atleast 8gb) |
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| 18:15.26 | suppaman | stew: while now it's a "broken something" |
| 18:15.33 | stew | suppaman: what is the question |
| 18:15.53 | suppaman | stew: what the hell happened ? |
| 18:16.03 | stew | suppaman: your initrd was not correctly cretaed |
| 18:16.40 | stew | suppaman: you should have gotten a new version of 2.6.18-4 recently, and when you did, something went wrong with creating the initrd |
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| 18:16.50 | yure | hi how to put "modprobe module_name option=1" into /etc/modules |
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| 18:16.56 | suppaman | (I'm not of mother tongue, sometimes I find it hard to express myself) |
| 18:16.57 | yure | module loads, but without options |
| 18:16.58 | stew | suppaman: which if those 3 krnels are you trying to boot? |
| 18:17.04 | Quintin | I can't install GRUB with etch netinst disc |
| 18:17.07 | suppaman | mm let me check |
| 18:17.15 | stew | yure: put "module_name option=1" into /etc/modules |
| 18:17.19 | Quintin | I have hda1 as ext2 50mb, hda5 as swap, and hda6 as / , xfs |
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| 18:17.34 | suppaman | vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 18:17.35 | skyde | debian try to fsk c0d1 on boot but this drive doesn't exist anymore but it prompt me an error at boot how can i resolv this |
| 18:17.40 | suppaman | from what I can see |
| 18:17.43 | stew | suppaman: you should be using 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:17.53 | Quintin | thoughts? |
| 18:17.54 | suppaman | forgive me |
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| 18:18.17 | yure | stew, i put that, but it doesn't seem to function |
| 18:18.20 | suppaman | bardeau:/boot# grep image /etc/lilo.conf |
| 18:18.22 | suppaman | image=/boot/vmlinuz |
| 18:18.22 | suppaman | image=/boot/vmlinuz.old |
| 18:18.34 | yure | it loads the module but without the option |
| 18:18.36 | cmacis | afternoon all. I just finished installing debian and I'm just installing KDE because I've used both KDE and Gnome and prefer K. |
| 18:18.42 | yure | if i do rmmod and then modprobe then it works |
| 18:18.44 | suppaman | bardeau:/boot# ls -l /boot/vmlinuz |
| 18:18.44 | suppaman | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Feb 15 08:04 /boot/vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-686 |
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| 18:19.04 | suppaman | stew: I'm sure there's a debian way to keep bootloader updated, I just don't know it |
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| 18:19.31 | stew | suppaman: put your /etc/kernel-img.cof into a pastebin |
| 18:19.38 | stew | suppaman: are you sure you are using lilo and not grub? |
| 18:20.06 | stew | suppaman: if you have 'so_symlinks = yes" then that link would be managed for you |
| 18:20.12 | dot_j | hi all - i'm trying to use bootcd to create a livecd from a debian system - i am running into problems when I try to boot from the iso - i get a "Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" error - the (outdated) info I've found suggests using bootcdmkinitird, but it appears that that has been removed from the bootcd package...? any ideas as to what else I could try, or what my problem might be? |
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| 18:20.41 | suppaman | stew: I'm pretty sure I'm using lilo |
| 18:20.50 | suppaman | I never learned to use grub |
| 18:21.30 | skyde | debian try to fsk c0d1 on boot but this drive doesn't exist anymore but it prompt me an error at boot how can i resolv this |
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| 18:21.31 | suppaman | http://rafb.net/p/JFpOnw92.html |
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| 18:21.31 | suppaman | this is my kernel-img.conf |
| 18:22.10 | stew | suppaman: which kernel version is vmlinuz.old pointing to? |
| 18:22.17 | suppaman | the 2.4 |
| 18:22.32 | suppaman | I've just performed a dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:22.48 | g00se | Tried netboot using windoze tftpd32 if you're there tarzeau |
| 18:23.05 | stew | suppaman: well you should make sure vmlinuz is pointing to 2.6.18-4-686 and make sure you have an initrd= line, and rerun lilo |
| 18:23.16 | suppaman | stew: already done that :-) |
| 18:23.17 | stew | suppaman: and you should consider switching to grub |
| 18:23.23 | suppaman | stew: should I ? |
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| 18:23.50 | MarcoPau | anybody can help me with vkeybd? |
| 18:24.03 | suppaman | lilo was so straightforward.. we became friend in '98 when I firstly bought a pc and never felt the need to change.. |
| 18:24.05 | MarcoPau | it's simply mute, and I get no output error |
| 18:24.21 | suppaman | dpkg is running lilo again |
| 18:24.31 | suppaman | ok so now I've to test it |
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| 18:24.42 | suppaman | The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
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| 18:26.03 | suppaman | and voilà |
| 18:26.04 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
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| 18:26.09 | yure | stew, procedure seems to be to put it in modutils and then run update-modules |
| 18:26.09 | asarch | How's the weather? |
| 18:26.15 | suppaman | it mounted root partition this time |
| 18:26.25 | suppaman | how nice |
| 18:26.33 | asarch | Do I need to open the port 631 in order to share a printer across my local network? |
| 18:26.42 | stew | yure: either procedure should work, if you do both, i don't know which 'wins' |
| 18:26.52 | tech13 | in the installer, without touching the hard drive, is there a way to load ssh from the debian installer cd1? |
| 18:27.10 | rahul | asarch: you need to open it to your local network.... o_0 |
| 18:27.17 | dakoo | what's going on here then |
| 18:27.20 | davidL | can someone explain why `dpkg reconfigure xserver-org` does not create a modules section in xorg.conf? |
| 18:27.21 | Knight_Lord | tech13: load as in run? |
| 18:27.28 | tarzeau | g00se: yeah? |
| 18:27.28 | asarch | rahul: What do you mean? |
| 18:27.29 | tech13 | Knight_Lord, yes. |
| 18:27.32 | rahul | asarch: what I say |
| 18:27.40 | rahul | asarch: why do you think it's closed? |
| 18:27.47 | rahul | what does it mean to be open or closed? |
| 18:27.50 | asarch | rahul: In Slackware it works |
| 18:27.51 | suppaman | rahul: maybe he means to "open" in a firewall |
| 18:27.54 | Knight_Lord | tech13: it might be possible but it's gonna be hard i thnk |
| 18:28.00 | rahul | suppaman: what firewall? |
| 18:28.02 | asarch | rahul: And, as I know, Slackware does not has a firewall |
| 18:28.09 | suppaman | rahul: dunno, ask him |
| 18:28.12 | yure | stew i found no documentation to support it (doing so in /etc/modules) can be changed that way, it might be something that doesn't work any more |
| 18:28.15 | rahul | slackware does have a firewall |
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| 18:28.20 | rahul | linux itself has a firewall. |
| 18:28.22 | g00se | tarzeau: Looked promising at first but it seemed to be looking for files simply not in netboot.tar.gz |
| 18:28.28 | asarch | rahul: I already try the same setting but I cannot accces to the printer |
| 18:28.30 | tarzeau | g00se: like which? |
| 18:28.34 | rahul | if you configure it to block packets, it does |
| 18:28.38 | Knight_Lord | tech13: it requires installing ssh and it's dependencies on the tmp fs |
| 18:28.42 | tarzeau | g00se: maybe the CAPITAL letter problem? |
| 18:28.44 | suppaman | asarch: I think you just have to tell samba to share the printer |
| 18:28.47 | rahul | asarch: did you install the SERVER program? |
| 18:29.04 | Knight_Lord | tech13: is there really a good reason to do this? |
| 18:29.09 | g00se | tarzeau: 1 sec - going to pastebin |
| 18:29.17 | dot_j | anyone have experience with bootcd? |
| 18:29.24 | tarzeau | dot_j: yeah i've used it once |
| 18:29.24 | asarch | rahul: Yeap! CUPS and all what it needs |
| 18:29.35 | tarzeau | dot_j: problem is it does not do any automatic hardware configuration (say for x) |
| 18:29.43 | tarzeau | dot_j: works fine on the hardware you built it. not more |
| 18:29.47 | rahul | cups is an lpd configuration program, no? |
| 18:29.47 | asarch | suppaman: Samba between *TWO* Linux boxes? |
| 18:29.56 | dot_j | tarzeau: i cant even get that far - i'm running into kernel panics |
| 18:29.56 | tarzeau | dot_j: live-helper is much nicer, http://livecd.gnustep.org/ was made w/ it |
| 18:30.00 | rahul | I don't use cups... |
| 18:30.05 | tarzeau | dot_j: oh :) check BTS? |
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| 18:30.10 | tarzeau | dot_j: or don't waste time on it |
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| 18:30.20 | g00se | tarzeau: here's the server log: http://paste.debian.net/29786 |
| 18:30.31 | dot_j | tarzeau: BTS? - thanks for the other suggestion, maybe i'll try that out (I do want it to work on other systems) |
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| 18:30.39 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 18:30.39 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 18:30.49 | tech13 | Knight_Lord, I have a windows machine with a dying hard drive, and my copy of knoppix is too old for the network card. Just trying to get a final backup off the machine. |
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| 18:30.58 | tarzeau | g00se: hahaha this is good: File <debian-installer\amd64\pxelinux.cfg\C0A> : error 2 in system call CreateFile The system cannot find the file specified. [06/06 19:02:56.084] |
| 18:30.59 | misreckoning | how to setup internet connection sharing? I've tried few tutorials I've found on google but non of them worked :P |
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| 18:31.04 | suppaman | asarch: what's wrong with that ? |
| 18:31.19 | tarzeau | g00se: they have a problem with returns ... |
| 18:31.21 | stew | yure: "man 5 modules" is the documentation for that file and it says "Arguments can be given in the same line as the module name" |
| 18:31.26 | tarzeau | g00se: really get a linux server, and it'll just work |
| 18:31.27 | xjkx | I installed tightvncserver and i am using ultravnc as client to run it from windows, everything is ok but.....the keyboard isnt configured ! wtf? if i run it locally the keyboard is ok, if remotely its not |
| 18:31.28 | dot_j | tarzeau: ah... everything I've found says to try using bootcdmkinitrd, but that seems to have been removed from the bootcd package, so i guess i'll try something else... |
| 18:31.28 | rahul | suppaman: it's about twice as much configuration as you'd need to do? |
| 18:31.39 | tarzeau | g00se: you know the \n\r, \r\n, \n, \r stuff? |
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| 18:31.46 | MarcoPau | how do I activate and configure /dev/midi? |
| 18:31.54 | suppaman | rahul: right but I was thinking that he already was on samba |
| 18:31.54 | g00se | Oh yes. I untarred on cygwin |
| 18:31.57 | tarzeau | dot_j: or it's in another package? it was YEARS ago when i used it |
| 18:32.00 | yure | stew hm strange it doesn't work... |
| 18:32.03 | suppaman | rahul: I use samba shares a lot |
| 18:32.05 | stew | yure: yes, it does |
| 18:32.06 | Knight_Lord | tech13: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ might be a faster way to solve the problem |
| 18:32.06 | asarch | suppaman: I though Sambas it was *ONLY* for Linux<->Windows |
| 18:32.07 | tarzeau | g00se: yeah still... windows is different |
| 18:32.23 | rahul | suppaman: why would he have samba already? |
| 18:32.26 | suppaman | asarch: ok I'm on OS X so I shouldn't be using it, should I ? |
| 18:32.34 | g00se | cygwin shouldn't have altered line seps should it? |
| 18:32.52 | suppaman | rahul: don't know, I just happened to think he had |
| 18:32.55 | rahul | asarch: samba is for talking the smb protocol... you can use it for communicating to anything else that speaks smb, including samba |
| 18:32.59 | trpr | misreckoning: configure iptables to do NAT. http://www.aboutdebian.com/firewall.htm |
| 18:33.16 | rahul | misreckoning: apt-get install ipmasq is all that's needed |
| 18:33.21 | suppaman | stew: and obviously wireless isn't working :-) |
| 18:33.30 | tech13 | Knight_Lord, thank you. |
| 18:33.36 | yure | stew, no i meant it doesn't work from modules.conf or from /etc/modules |
| 18:33.46 | yure | but it works if i do rmmod and modprobe manually |
| 18:33.46 | misreckoning | ok I will try that |
| 18:34.10 | dot_j | tarzeau: live-helper looks much better - thanks - any other alternatives that you can recommend? mainly I want to be able to take my existing debian system and convert to a live cd... |
| 18:34.22 | stew | yure: what module are we talking about? |
| 18:34.32 | yure | saa7134 |
| 18:34.35 | yure | for tv tuner |
| 18:34.37 | misreckoning | and how can I share something on windows network? |
| 18:34.44 | tarzeau | dot_j: no, that's the only one i can recommend |
| 18:35.07 | stew | yure: yeah, i use that module, and put options in /etc/modules. does that module name appear in /etc/modules.conf or anywhere in /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
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| 18:35.19 | yure | no |
| 18:35.35 | dot_j | tarzeau: live-helper looks very promising - thanks |
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| 18:36.15 | Quintin | I have hda1 ext2 /boot , hda5 as swap, hda6 as xfs / ... why won't the installer install grub ? |
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| 18:37.56 | yure | stew, only in /etc/modules where I putted it |
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| 18:41.23 | stew | yure: how do you know it is not including the options you are providing? |
| 18:42.39 | yure | stew, because it works when I do it manually? |
| 18:42.41 | g00se | tarzeau: sussed out what that 'Read request for file <debian-installer/amd64/pxelinux.cfg/C0A80164' is but not *why* it is |
| 18:43.01 | yure | and the module is loaded |
| 18:43.09 | yure | so my guess is it doesn't get the options |
| 18:43.25 | yure | could it be anything else? |
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| 18:43.36 | tarzeau | g00se: is that a sparc? |
| 18:43.49 | tarzeau | g00se: C0 A8 01 64, convert it to decimal and add . after each two characters :) |
| 18:43.57 | g00se | It's AMD64 |
| 18:43.59 | tarzeau | g00se: you'll get an ip address :) |
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| 18:44.08 | g00se | That's the IP address of the client |
| 18:44.42 | tarzeau | g00se: so? |
| 18:44.42 | g00se | tarzeau: so why is it requesting files with its own IP in the path? |
| 18:44.52 | jazbo2186 | what's a simple way to run a command on each of several files? |
| 18:44.55 | ma3x | how do I find out how many %5 are reserved for the fs? |
| 18:44.56 | tarzeau | g00se: guess? make a symnlink of that name to the kernel your client shall get |
| 18:45.02 | tarzeau | g00se: what else would it request? |
| 18:45.18 | suppaman | this time the kernel hasn't got the rt2400 module for the wireless card |
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| 18:45.39 | suppaman | isn't linux funny? |
| 18:46.01 | ma3x | how do I check the reserved-blocks-percentage? |
| 18:46.11 | luca____ | asd |
| 18:46.16 | cmacis | yeah, but if it starts fustrating you then you can boot back into windows. That usually gets me back soon |
| 18:46.31 | suppaman | cmacis: windows has never been an option to me |
| 18:46.32 | xingu | ma3x: tune2fs -l $blockdev |
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| 18:46.48 | xingu | ma3x: or whatever fs' equivalent; it's in the fs superblock typically |
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| 18:46.59 | suppaman | cmacis: the very few times I used it it was even more frustrating than linux |
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| 18:47.09 | cmacis | indeed |
| 18:47.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/curse :) |
| 18:47.34 | ma3x | xingu, it shows it in blocks, but not in percentage |
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| 18:48.00 | tarzeau | now i not only support converting from ubuntu to debian, but also the other way around |
| 18:48.00 | rpetre | hi, any idea if it's possible to configure bonding on systems with pxeboot+nfsroot ? |
| 18:48.01 | homecable | whats emdebian |
| 18:48.05 | tarzeau | !emdebian |
| 18:48.05 | dpkg | hmm... emdebian is a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distrobution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ |
| 18:48.10 | ma3x | tarzeau, how the hell can you convert? |
| 18:48.10 | g00se | tarzeau: in the docs it doesn't say anything about having to do that ;-) |
| 18:48.10 | tarzeau | rpetre: after the kernel is up, why not? |
| 18:48.14 | suppaman | nice, now I'm on 2.6.18-4 but the module for my wifi card is rt2400-module-2.6.18-3 |
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| 18:48.17 | tarzeau | ma3x: using some funky scripts |
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| 18:48.29 | tarzeau | g00se: ... |
| 18:48.30 | rpetre | tarzeau: ifenslave complains that eth0 is in use |
| 18:48.40 | tarzeau | rpetre: then maybe not ;) |
| 18:48.40 | ma3x | tarzeau, what does it to? upgrade ubuntu packages to debian? |
| 18:48.43 | Bogus8 | how do you tell what resolution your monitor is currently running at? |
| 18:48.45 | ma3x | tarzeau, easy to imagine... |
| 18:48.45 | tarzeau | ma3x: no |
| 18:48.50 | ma3x | but what? |
| 18:48.50 | rpetre | i'm thinking maybe in intramfs |
| 18:48.58 | tarzeau | Bogus8: xvidtune -show |
| 18:49.06 | stew | yure: could it be that some other module needs to be loaded first? |
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| 18:49.17 | rpetre | but i'm not sure where to put my stuff to get included |
| 18:49.18 | regulate | yaird error: unrecognised line in /proc/bus/input/devices: U: Uniq= (fatal) |
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| 18:49.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: lovely |
| 18:50.01 | Bogus8 | tarzeau: thanks mate |
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| 18:50.11 | ma3x | you're welcome dude |
| 18:50.18 | misreckoning | rahul, so after installing ipmasq, do I need to setup anything? |
| 18:50.25 | rpetre | tarzeau: btw, the ltsp packages worked cool, i just chrooted and cleaned apt a bit |
| 18:50.31 | rahul | misreckoning: it asked you what it needed to know to set itself up |
| 18:50.39 | tarzeau | rpetre: nice. i looked into it too, i'll do it without ltsp |
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| 18:51.19 | rpetre | the only challenges left are bonding and nis (neither critical for the operation, but useful) |
| 18:51.40 | misreckoning | rahul, no it didn't ask me anything :/ |
| 18:52.04 | rahul | misreckoning: then you configured debconf very badly when you first installed debian |
| 18:52.20 | misreckoning | rahul, hardly |
| 18:52.22 | rahul | dpkg-reconfigure -plow debconf and the same for ipmasq |
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| 18:52.46 | misreckoning | rahul, ok |
| 18:52.57 | rahul | misreckoning: then you intentionally wanted to not have it ask you how to set up packages correctly? |
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| 18:53.42 | misreckoning | rahul, maybe I've forgot, dunno, high - medium? what do you suggest? |
| 18:53.58 | rahul | I usually do medium |
| 18:54.13 | misreckoning | rahul, so high would be enough for me? |
| 18:54.21 | rahul | eh, maybe |
| 18:54.27 | rahul | I prefer safe over sorry |
| 18:55.01 | misreckoning | right :) |
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| 18:56.20 | suppaman | so I have the module for 2.6.18-3 but I'm on -3 how can I fix this ? |
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| 18:56.44 | rahul | suppaman: recompile it |
| 18:56.51 | rahul | get the source and use modASS |
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| 18:57.40 | SoulChild | is debian lenny as actual like ubuntu |
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| 18:57.54 | rahul | as actual? |
| 18:57.57 | stew | SoulChild: what do you mean by "as actual"? |
| 18:58.07 | rahul | debian doesn't try to be like ubuntu |
| 18:58.12 | rahul | (thank god) |
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| 18:58.27 | stew | whatever "like ubuntu" might mean |
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| 18:59.01 | SoulChild | stew: i mean packages/programmes |
| 18:59.10 | SoulChild | stew: as ubutnu |
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| 18:59.18 | rahul | huh? |
| 18:59.19 | stew | SoulChild: what exactly is your question? |
| 18:59.20 | SoulChild | stew: i am sorry, my english is not perfekt |
| 18:59.22 | jintxo | I think he means "as updated" or something like that, like package versions, no? |
| 18:59.33 | rahul | lenny is older and newer than ubuntu |
| 18:59.41 | SoulChild | jintxo: exactly |
| 18:59.56 | rahul | SoulChild: is a porsche better than an M3? |
| 19:00.03 | jintxo | SoulChild, find out yourself: packages.debian.org and packages.ubuntu.com shuld do, I think... |
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| 19:00.34 | stew | SoulChild: lenny's packages are updated daily. depending on which version of ubuntu you actually mean, some might be older, some will be newer |
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| 19:00.52 | Jckf | What does the 'less' command do? |
| 19:01.22 | stew | Jckf: allows you to read text which is larger than would fit on the screen all at once |
| 19:01.24 | SoulChild | stew: okay thanks, that what i wanted to knew, cause i heared that debian needs long time for letting a new version in her package lists |
| 19:01.30 | tarzeau | less (1) - opposite of more |
| 19:01.37 | Jckf | Ah :p |
| 19:01.38 | Jckf | Thanks |
| 19:02.19 | SoulChild | tarzeau: damn you are in here all the time, right ? |
| 19:02.26 | tarzeau | SoulChild: no |
| 19:02.30 | jintxo | ah debian is a she. i knew it lol |
| 19:02.31 | stew | SoulChild: the policy for when a package is upgraded in lenny is here: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html#s-testing-unstable |
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| 19:03.11 | nash-20 | hi |
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| 19:03.29 | SoulChild | jintxo: sorry,... please be tolerant and don't be kidding on me, cause my english is not as good as yours, i am not living in an english speaking country |
| 19:03.33 | nash-20 | can i unset paravirt module in the precompiled 2.6.21 kernel? |
| 19:03.41 | nash-20 | becouse i want to install fglrx |
| 19:03.48 | jintxo | SoulChild, it was a joke, not meant to offend :-) take it easy |
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| 19:04.15 | rahul | some girls require a long time to allow a package into them, some girls don't |
| 19:04.18 | SoulChild | jintxo: than it's okay |
| 19:04.27 | homecable | !busybox |
| 19:04.33 | SoulChild | rahul: okay,... it's good for now, i understood |
| 19:04.39 | rahul | heh |
| 19:04.54 | rahul | the latter are the busy boxes. |
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| 19:05.18 | homecable | !dpkg busybox |
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| 19:05.27 | mihk | how to ping eth2 behind eth0 ? |
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| 19:05.36 | SoulChild | what's a good window manager for fluxbox (small and good looking) |
| 19:05.42 | rahul | uh |
| 19:05.46 | rahul | fluxbox is a window manager. |
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| 19:05.56 | SoulChild | i meant file manager |
| 19:06.05 | rahul | zsh |
| 19:06.14 | SoulChild | rahul: i ll try |
| 19:06.39 | SoulChild | rahul: it's a shell !?! |
| 19:06.42 | waspius | can someone explain this to me please...http://pastebin.ca/545228 |
| 19:06.55 | rahul | a shell is a highly advanced file manager |
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| 19:07.56 | stew | waspius: there are a lot of errors there, are you expecting an explanation to all of them? or what? |
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| 19:08.00 | abrotman | waspius: broken code |
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| 19:08.06 | jintxo | waspius, I'd say you're missing headers or they can't be found. not sure though. |
| 19:08.16 | waspius | stew: maybe a solution:) |
| 19:08.17 | stew | waspius: i'd guess that there is a decent chance you are compiling with a version of gcc that this code wasn't yet fixed for |
| 19:08.20 | SoulChild | rahul: let me correct: graphical file manager |
| 19:08.28 | waspius | ok |
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| 19:08.35 | abrotman | SoulChild: gentoo is okay |
| 19:08.37 | rahul | SoulChild: zsh in rxvt :) |
| 19:08.39 | abrotman | !info gentoo etch |
| 19:08.42 | dpkg | gentoo: (a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.11.55-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 770 kB, Installed size: 2428 kB |
| 19:08.47 | waspius | which means i should do what? |
| 19:08.51 | rahul | two-pane. psht. |
| 19:08.57 | rahul | I want 3-column |
| 19:08.59 | stew | waspius: get a fixed copy of the code you are trying to compile |
| 19:09.15 | SoulChild | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:09.58 | misreckoning | oh I have to expose myself a little - I've made a Bandwidth Limiter with pygtk ;) |
| 19:10.04 | misreckoning | "wow" :) |
| 19:10.05 | waspius | stew: i got it from sourceforge:( |
| 19:10.21 | abrotman | a reputable source! |
| 19:10.39 | stew | waspius: try gcc3.4 |
| 19:10.40 | waspius | abrotman: is it not good? |
| 19:10.48 | xingu | inspired by dopus, now those were the days |
| 19:10.58 | xingu | dopus and jcomm, no toolkit complete without them |
| 19:11.26 | stew | waspius: you'd do so by hoping that their makefile is sane and setting "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4' before compiling |
| 19:11.56 | waspius | stew: so is there an alternativ? |
| 19:11.57 | SoulChild | abrotman: gentoo looks to much like windows, is there anything good lookin except nautilus |
| 19:12.06 | xingu | !info worker etch |
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| 19:12.10 | dpkg | worker: (highly configurable two-paned file manager for X), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.11.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 694 kB, Installed size: 2448 kB |
| 19:12.14 | xingu | :) |
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| 19:12.39 | stew | waspius: an alternative to what? |
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| 19:13.00 | Maerz | dmesg: *WARNING** I2C adapter driver [NVIDIA I2C Device] forgot to specify physical device; fix it! |
| 19:13.04 | waspius | stew: to sourceforge..if it is no good |
| 19:13.06 | Maerz | hmm i tried to set up twin view |
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| 19:13.14 | Maerz | but i seem to have forgoten sth |
| 19:13.21 | stew | waspius: sourceforge is generally authoritative |
| 19:13.29 | stew | waspius: meaning, yes, it is good |
| 19:13.37 | waspius | ok |
| 19:13.56 | Maerz | there is only one monitor section, could that be the reason ? |
| 19:14.27 | teeeee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:15.03 | sohmestra | are there any nice webbased LDAP management packages in that are not closely coupled with Samba? In other words, it doesn't assume that the LDAP server is also a Samba server. |
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| 19:15.21 | stew | is a blank common name valid? |
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| 19:15.29 | sohmestra | packaged for debian, that is. |
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| 19:15.35 | CXR|Anthony | Hi all :) |
| 19:15.55 | Knight_Lord | sohmestra: phpldapadmin? |
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| 19:16.09 | CXR|Anthony | I seek the module for php4 who use the function ()sendmail, who help me please? |
| 19:16.11 | SoulChild | Guys: I need your opinion, i am now 9 month working with linux, tryed many distros like ubuntu, vektor linux, knopix and now debian,... now i want to try gentoo but i heared it's only for geeks. do u thing, i have enough experience to work with gentoo, is there much difference? or shouldn't i change? |
| 19:16.19 | sohmestra | Knight_Lord: the interface really sucks :o( |
| 19:16.33 | rahul | gentoo is for people who like to waste electricity |
| 19:16.36 | tarzeau | SoulChild: try it |
| 19:16.41 | Knight_Lord | sohmestra: i find it nicer than command line |
| 19:16.43 | abrotman | SoulChild: you've passed my lack-of-consonant test .. go ahead and try it |
| 19:16.47 | stew | SoulChild: gentoo is offtopic here, try #gentoo or ##linux |
| 19:16.48 | tarzeau | SoulChild: it needs a lot of patience |
| 19:16.59 | tarzeau | SoulChild: people coming back were like: o debian's so fast.... |
| 19:17.15 | tarzeau | SoulChild: you never run freebsd i suppose |
| 19:17.21 | SoulChild | tarzeau: if so, i keep debian |
| 19:17.28 | SoulChild | tarzeau: no |
| 19:17.43 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau: some people like to compile programs, other prefer to run them. I belond to the latter. |
| 19:17.52 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: same here |
| 19:17.56 | misreckoning | rahul, that dpkg-reconfigure opened my eyes O_O :) |
| 19:18.00 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau: sorry it was for SoulChild |
| 19:18.07 | xingu | some people like to make tools, some people like to use them, and some people are tools. |
| 19:18.11 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: but not even debian can stop people from compiling programs (since they don't have ALL software package) |
| 19:18.13 | SoulChild | abrotman: lack - of -consonaut |
| 19:18.24 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau: true |
| 19:18.38 | SoulChild | abuzor: ??? |
| 19:18.39 | Knight_Lord | tarzeau: but it's quite close to ALL :) |
| 19:18.43 | SoulChild | abrotman: ??? |
| 19:18.47 | abrotman | SoulChild: !!! |
| 19:18.59 | SoulChild | abrotman: what did u mena with test? |
| 19:19.17 | abrotman | SoulChild: ignore me |
| 19:19.23 | tarzeau | Knight_Lord: yeah, more than all the others for sure |
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| 19:20.27 | SoulChild | What do u use to backup your system ? |
| 19:20.28 | Quintin | does no one here use XFS? |
| 19:20.45 | stew | Quintin: someone here uses xfs |
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| 19:24.09 | waspius | what is the command for deleting a full directory |
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| 19:24.33 | stew | waspius: rm -r /path/to/dir |
| 19:24.38 | waspius | thank you |
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| 19:26.25 | g00se | tarzeau: progress - booting then kernel panic |
| 19:27.03 | Maerz | just trying to set up twin view on nvidia.. now dmesg says : **WARNING** I2C adapter driver [NVIDIA I2C Device] forgot to specify physical device; fix it! |
| 19:27.03 | Maerz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:27.21 | paddor | is there something like VNC for the terminal, so somebody else can view your activities in a bash and also type, if he wants to? |
| 19:27.24 | xand | can anyone suggest why I get MTU size problems on my debian router... it has an ethernet ADSL modem attached and I use PPPoE with it; after a few days some websites and other external services will not work unless I run this command: iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -j TCPMSS --set-mss 1435 on the local machine, and then the problem goes away, or I can run poff dsl-provider and pon dsl-provider and that also fixes it |
| 19:27.28 | g00se | 'Please append a correct "root=" boot option'. Where though? |
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| 19:28.01 | tdn | It takes very long to establish SSH connections on my LAN. I have the output from "ssh -vvv host" here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P596.html. Why does this happen? What can I do to fix it? |
| 19:28.01 | xand | g00se: menu.lst? |
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| 19:29.02 | g00se | tarzeau: wouldn't it have to be with netboot tree? That file not there |
| 19:29.04 | waspius | stew you told me before to look at gcc3.4..i have the latest version..4.1..any other ideas what i can do? |
| 19:29.11 | g00se | with=within |
| 19:29.18 | stew | waspius: did you try 3.4? |
| 19:29.29 | waspius | stew: no |
| 19:29.33 | Kalisto | anyone know how i can get xchat to minimize to my gnome panel when i click on the X to close? right now it just closes altogether |
| 19:29.33 | stew | waspius: what are you trying to compile? |
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| 19:29.59 | \amethyst | paddor: ttysnoop perhaps |
| 19:30.02 | waspius | stew: qc-usb it is for webcam |
| 19:30.23 | abrotman | eh .. HTF did i get a box with no MTA .. |
| 19:30.33 | abrotman | and dpkg -l *mail* returns zilch |
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| 19:30.54 | stew | waspius: its a kenrel module? |
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| 19:31.00 | paddor | \amethyst, thanks |
| 19:32.14 | abrotman | that's really odd .. i've been using the system for months .. NFC how that happened |
| 19:34.04 | elfish12424r3223 | Guys, I have a box running sarge that's stable for months using 2.4, but locks once every day or two running 2.6 (which I'll need for etch, right?) . Completely locked-up: ssh, ping, capslock not working. Any ideas how to start diagnosing this? |
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| 19:35.23 | waspius | stew: what does that mean? |
| 19:35.23 | abrotman | no mailx either ... |
| 19:35.23 | suppaman | rahul: is there an automated way I should use to compile the module ? |
| 19:35.23 | \amethyst | elfish12424r3223: Anything in the logs? Particularly kernel.log ? |
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| 19:35.24 | rahul | modASS |
| 19:35.24 | rahul | !m-a |
| 19:35.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 19:35.28 | suppaman | thx |
| 19:35.29 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 19:35.31 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 19:35.31 | \amethyst | abrotman: some kind of update gone wrong? |
| 19:35.35 | stew | waspius: if you are compiling a kenrel module, then don't bother with 3.4 unless you are going to recompile your kernel with 3.4 as well |
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| 19:37.45 | waspius | stew: so currently it is compiles with 4.1?if yes no i dont want to recompile it..dont know really what it is about..i am just trying to learn and set up my system to work well with everything i used to use under windows so that i dont have to use it anymore |
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| 19:38.04 | abrotman | \amethyst: it was installed as an etch box ... |
| 19:38.13 | elfish12424r3223 | the logs are annoyingly truncated. Syslog just has stuff that I'd expect to be there, and then logs the next boot. Now that I look at kern.log, I see much the same thing. |
| 19:38.20 | artagnon | Hi, I'm unable to get my network config up and I don't know what to do |
| 19:38.32 | artagnon | ifup eth0 : No such device |
| 19:38.56 | artagnon | barebones base installation |
| 19:38.58 | elfish12424r3223 | Would it be losing it because I'm power-cycling the box? |
| 19:39.24 | artagnon | which means udev is installed |
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| 19:39.55 | abrotman | \amethyst: admittedly .. before etch was released :) |
| 19:40.08 | \amethyst | abrotman: does it say 'etch' and not 'testing'? |
| 19:41.15 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:41.15 | \amethyst | elfish12424r3223: if it's getting hard-locked (or kernel panic) the filesystem cache probably doesn't get a chance to flush |
| 19:41.15 | abrotman | \amethyst: give me a little credit :) |
| 19:41.16 | abrotman | \amethyst: ah well .. an install of exim4 and mailx seems to make it act mostly normal |
| 19:41.39 | waspius | stew: any ideas on what i can do? |
| 19:41.40 | elfish12424r3223 | so spraying the log onto the console might help? |
| 19:41.50 | \amethyst | elfish12424r3223: are you running X when it crashes? |
| 19:41.52 | stew | waspius: fix the source, or wait for the authors to fix the source |
| 19:42.15 | \amethyst | elfish12424r3223: and are you using any third-party modules like nvidia or fglrx |
| 19:42.24 | elfish12424r3223 | no, it's X-less. |
| 19:42.28 | waspius | stew: i have to idea how to fix it..i downloaded a previous version but the same output |
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| 19:42.33 | artagnon | /etc/init.d/networking start : done. I dunno what it did |
| 19:42.42 | artagnon | I can't even ping my router |
| 19:43.29 | elfish12424r3223 | I was running lirc-serial, but it's locked when it's not loaded, too,. |
| 19:43.29 | \amethyst | elfish12424r3223: Do the crashes correlate with high load, swapping, I/O, anything? |
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| 19:44.21 | artagnon | I can't even get a networking interface up... I badly need to ssh the machine |
| 19:44.30 | elfish12424r3223 | possibly network I/O: I've had it crash on me while I was SSHing it. It's just had an r8169 added to it, but again, it's stable in 2.4. |
| 19:44.59 | elfish12424r3223 | Is etch usable with 2.4? That might be the most straightforward solution. |
| 19:45.14 | xand | doubtful. |
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| 19:45.37 | \amethyst | elfish12424r3223: which 2.6 are you trying? |
| 19:45.52 | stew | elfish12424r3223: its not supported. somethings will work, but some things are guranteed not to work. mysql being a notable one wont work |
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| 19:47.14 | elfish12424r3223 | 2.6.8-686/sarge, and 2.6.18-686/backports |
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| 19:48.35 | abrotman | so freaking weird |
| 19:48.43 | elfish12424r3223 | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686_2.6.8-16sarge1_i386.deb and linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-10~bpo.1_i386.deb |
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| 19:48.57 | waspius | stew: if i download it through synaptic..it has the source there...do i need to compile it?and if yes where do i find it? |
| 19:49.45 | paddor | is there a way to watch another's terminal being able to write commands too for helping him, if he needs help? |
| 19:50.36 | abrotman | does snoop allow writing ? |
| 19:50.50 | Quintin | paddor: man screen |
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| 19:51.38 | ShredZ | So I installed a fresh etch and all seems to work, but xqf only shows a handfull of quake3 servers and neither quake3 nor warsow want to connect to internet games. The pc can however run a server which I can connect to. |
| 19:51.51 | ShredZ | Moving said pc to another location but behind a router (and using same ISP) fixed the problem |
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| 19:52.08 | ShredZ | any clue why it won't work on the location it should be at (directly connected to the net) ? |
| 19:52.10 | Quintin | why does GRUB installation keep failing? :( |
| 19:52.23 | simonrvn | ShredZ: was it connected to the 'net before? ;) |
| 19:52.45 | simonrvn | no route to a gateway, first thought |
| 19:52.49 | ShredZ | simonrvn yes, and pretty much every net-based app (irc, browser, armagetron, gaim, ...) work |
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| 19:54.35 | simonrvn | weird |
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| 19:54.35 | ShredZ | ye it has me guessing :/ |
| 19:54.36 | simonrvn | too tired to think of anything else |
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| 19:54.37 | artagnon | how do I find out what ethernet card I have? |
| 19:54.37 | rahul | artagnon: look at the box |
| 19:54.37 | simonrvn | if i had more than 3 hours sleep i could think of something ;p |
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| 19:54.43 | suppaman | hi |
| 19:54.48 | simonrvn | artagnon: open case, look in |
| 19:54.48 | suppaman | what was my leaving message? |
| 19:54.48 | stew | artagnon: lspci | grep Ether |
| 19:54.49 | rahul | artagnon: or the reciept |
| 19:54.50 | Quintin | artagnon: lspci |
| 19:54.53 | artagnon | rahul, apart from that |
| 19:54.57 | rahul | . . . |
| 19:54.58 | artagnon | stew, right |
| 19:55.04 | stew | waspius: what is the name of the package? |
| 19:55.05 | simonrvn | receipt |
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| 19:55.12 | rahul | penix |
| 19:55.27 | artagnon | stew, the issue is that I don't have lspci |
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| 19:55.28 | simonrvn | .:15:36:33:. ==> suppaman n=suppa@85-18-14-13.fastres.net has quit ("all your bye are belong to us") |
| 19:55.29 | waspius | stew: qc-usb-source |
| 19:55.34 | stew | artagnon: install pciutils |
| 19:55.36 | simonrvn | suppaman: ^^^ |
| 19:55.47 | stew | !m-a waspius qc-usb |
| 19:55.47 | dpkg | waspius: to compile and install qc-usb for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i qc-usb && modprobe qc-usb ; if this works echo qc-usb >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 19:55.48 | suppaman | simonrvn: thanks, it appears I accidentally quitted the app |
| 19:55.48 | artagnon | stew, I can't. Not without an internet connection |
| 19:55.51 | elfish12424r3223 | or cat /proc/bus/pci/devices, and look up on the web. |
| 19:56.09 | suppaman | simonrvn: that command-q is a dangerous weapon... |
| 19:56.33 | artagnon | stew, I'm having hell on earth with this machine not reaching the network |
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| 19:56.42 | simonrvn | suppaman: it usually is ;) |
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| 19:57.00 | suppaman | how nice, just the time to prepare popcorn and apt-get upgrade finished |
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| 19:57.22 | simonrvn | !literal cmd: m-a (.*?) |
| 19:57.54 | artagnon | elfish12424r3223, not too useful. I need to know if my kernel came with the driver for my network card |
| 19:57.55 | suppaman | what' the "literal" cmd ? |
| 19:58.17 | simonrvn | was trying to find out what was the construction of that factoid |
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| 19:58.56 | elfish12424r3223 | but not completely useless: you can find out what card it is, and from that what module you need. |
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| 19:59.07 | Quintin | !qc-usb |
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| 19:59.23 | simonrvn | meh |
| 19:59.23 | stew | Arafangion: awk '{print $2}' < /proc/bus/pci/devices | sed 's/\(....\)/\1.*/' | while read a ; do grep $a /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap ; done |
| 19:59.29 | stew | err |
| 19:59.33 | stew | he's gone, huh |
| 19:59.35 | simonrvn | s/he left |
| 19:59.46 | simonrvn | i was about to reply too |
| 20:00.23 | waspius | stew: ok i installed it all..what does this mean? if this works echo qc-usb |
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| 20:00.44 | waspius | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.59 | stew | waspius: if all of that worked. you are done |
| 20:01.35 | waspius | stew: i dont understand what the /etc/modules part means..if echo works am i fine? |
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| 20:01.51 | simonrvn | as well done as a cooked beaver |
| 20:02.08 | fasta | How do I tell my router that the IP-address of this machine is 192.169.2.103? |
| 20:02.14 | stew | waspius: echo works no matter what. if m-a a-i was successful then you compiled and installed the module |
| 20:02.22 | fasta | 192.168.2.103* |
| 20:02.32 | waspius | stew: ok..thank you very much |
| 20:02.33 | stew | waspius: echo whatever >> /etc/modules was making that module load at boot automatically |
| 20:02.40 | fasta | iface twee inet static address 192.168.2.103 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.2.1 |
| 20:02.55 | stew | fasta: you shouldn't have to tell the router anything |
| 20:02.57 | fasta | This is what I have in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:04.22 | fasta | stew: arp who-has 192.168.2.103 tell 192.168.2.1 |
| 20:04.29 | fasta | stew: tcpdump -i twee is full of that |
| 20:04.37 | stew | fasta: that is good |
| 20:04.38 | fasta | stew: 192.168.2.1 is my router |
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| 20:04.57 | fasta | stew: so, it's normal that it keeps saying that? |
| 20:05.00 | stew | fasta: yes |
| 20:05.38 | stew | fasta: if that is the ONLY traffic you see, that would be a problem |
| 20:05.58 | stew | fasta: you should also be able to see, for inctance, your machine replying to that query |
| 20:06.00 | fasta | stew: ok, that's not the case. |
| 20:06.14 | fasta | stew: thanks, then probably everything is fine. |
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| 20:07.54 | suppaman | how comes mod-ass thinks I already have rt2400-source installed ? |
| 20:07.56 | suppaman | http://rafb.net/p/ILClzj91.html |
| 20:08.31 | stew | suppaman: what does "apt-cache policy rt2400-source | grep Installed" say? |
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| 20:09.33 | suppaman | stew: er.. before I run that you should be aware that I just apt-get removed rt2400-source |
| 20:09.56 | stew | not really |
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| 20:10.09 | abrotman_ | stew: mine says " Instelled: (nune-a) |
| 20:10.09 | abrotman_ | " |
| 20:10.11 | abrotman_ | doh |
| 20:10.34 | stew | nice tail |
| 20:10.57 | abrotman_ | nice timing |
| 20:11.06 | rahul | eh |
| 20:11.11 | rahul | not enough tail for me |
| 20:11.19 | abrotman______ | better? |
| 20:11.23 | rahul | oh yeah baby |
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| 20:11.40 | rahul | abrotman______: so... how YOU doin? |
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| 20:12.03 | abrotman | i think i have a bum switch here .. not sure yet |
| 20:12.08 | rahul | heh |
| 20:12.15 | rahul | I'll show you a bum switch |
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| 20:12.48 | rahul | mmm jules and eliza |
| 20:12.58 | suppaman | bardeau:/usr/src/modules# apt-cache policy rt2400-source | grep Installed |
| 20:12.58 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.00 | rahul | juliza. |
| 20:13.05 | abrotman | what movie is that .. trading places ? |
| 20:13.12 | abrotman | with eddie murphy and dan akroyd ? |
| 20:13.15 | waspius | stew: well i still cannot use my webcam:(it cannot be found |
| 20:13.21 | suppaman | oh lol |
| 20:13.26 | rahul | no, it's rahul does ny underground |
| 20:13.26 | suppaman | it's like "a chair for two" |
| 20:13.35 | abrotman | ok |
| 20:13.38 | suppaman | don't know the original title though |
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| 20:14.05 | rahul | although there are no pictures of jules's ass that I can find |
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| 20:14.22 | suppaman | stew: it's the same source I think |
| 20:14.25 | stew | suppaman: so module-assistant thinks it's installed becuase, it IS intalled |
| 20:14.31 | stew | suppaman: same source as what? |
| 20:15.08 | abrotman | http://imdb.com/title/tt0086465/ |
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| 20:15.28 | rahul | oh wait, there's one from the back of the stage at the medusa fest |
| 20:15.31 | suppaman | I mean the version ot rt2400-source is the same that m-a reports |
| 20:15.55 | suppaman | stew: if it is installed shouldn't it be available to modprobe ? |
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| 20:16.04 | stew | suppaman: not until you compile it |
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| 20:16.25 | suppaman | m-a build ? |
| 20:16.29 | stew | suppaman: m-a a-i rt2400 |
| 20:16.47 | stew | possibly after running m-a prepare |
| 20:16.54 | suppaman | already ran |
| 20:16.56 | suppaman | I read the man page |
| 20:17.04 | suppaman | there's a big "NOTE" |
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| 20:17.14 | suppaman | oh it's building |
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| 20:17.23 | abrotman | don't you hate it when stew is right? :) |
| 20:17.31 | suppaman | I don't |
| 20:17.36 | suppaman | really |
| 20:17.44 | abrotman | stew: shouldn't you be riding? |
| 20:17.51 | abrotman | stew: working off all that fish/beer? :) |
| 20:17.58 | stew | abrotman: have a cough and a fever |
| 20:18.00 | suppaman | riding ? |
| 20:18.15 | abrotman | stew: ouch .. stay inside .. drink tea/cocoa |
| 20:18.17 | suppaman | where are you from btw ? |
| 20:18.37 | suppaman | abrotman: that's much OS X-ish |
| 20:18.59 | suppaman | I mean drink cocoa.. |
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| 20:20.15 | abrotman | suppaman: i seemingly have some sort of allergic reaction to green tea .. so i can't drink it .. so that's why cocoa is there |
| 20:20.41 | suppaman | ahh how nice to see eth21 again |
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| 20:21.40 | suppaman | traceroute to euro-red.apple.com (17.254.3.122), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets |
| 20:21.40 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.40 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.47 | suppaman | :-) |
| 20:21.55 | suppaman | I'm an happy suppa now |
| 20:22.11 | suppaman | let's see if everything is ok at reboot and I can unplug the monitor agian |
| 20:22.12 | suppaman | again |
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| 20:26.01 | waspius | what must i do to fix this? |
| 20:26.05 | waspius | http://pastebin.ca/545631 |
| 20:26.34 | stew | waspius: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
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| 20:27.05 | suppaman | it's not working |
| 20:27.15 | waspius | stew: Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 |
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| 20:27.38 | omry | is there an easy easy way to regenerate configuration filer (/etc) of currently installed packages? (mass update) |
| 20:27.52 | omry | s/filer/files |
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| 20:28.36 | suppaman | omry: dpkg-reconfigure installed maybe |
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| 20:29.15 | ekimus | hello, using etch and python2.(4|5) is missing alternative links now i can't find what's wrong with this: http://paste.debian.net/29811 gives me "update-alternatives: priority must be an integer" |
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| 20:30.22 | Fetrovsky | paused: job held until specified |
| 20:30.34 | Fetrovsky | why do I get this message when I try to print? |
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| 20:30.45 | Fetrovsky | i'm using cups and it was working perfectly |
| 20:31.02 | Fetrovsky | it just suddenly stopped working, i can't print and the spooler says this for every print job |
| 20:31.41 | suppaman | ok now it's all right |
| 20:31.46 | stew | ekimus: eh? python isn't supposed to have alternatives afaik. what version of python2.5 are you tyring to install? |
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| 20:31.59 | suppaman | I hadn't eth21 in a auto line in interfaces |
| 20:32.26 | ekimus | stew: i have 2.4 and 2.5 installed and want the alternatives for easy switching... |
| 20:34.17 | waspius | stew: any idea? |
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| 20:34.54 | stew | ekimus: the option '--test' must preceed the command '--install'. but i don't what you are doing is a good idea |
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| 20:35.45 | ekimus | stew: why? i've been doing that with java (using tar.gz from sun always) and never had problems |
| 20:36.13 | stew | ekimus: binaries that are installed to /usr/bin/ that have "#!/usr/bin/python" are going to assume that python is the version installed by "aptitude install python", switching what version that is could break stuff |
| 20:36.29 | stew | ekimus: if this were a good idea, the python maintainer would have done it for you |
| 20:37.12 | stew | waspius: no, those two versions are close enough that nobody should care |
| 20:38.05 | ekimus | stew: so then why is /usr/bin/python a symlink to python2.4 - that seems to be very close to /etc/alternatives |
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| 20:38.36 | ekimus | stew: and 2.4 as well as 2.5 are installed by aptitude |
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| 20:39.32 | stew | ekimus: python is a symlink to python2.4 becuase python2.4 is the current version of python in debian. and you shouldn't touch this symlink. if you have scripts that specifically need python 2.5, you should change the shebang to #!/usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 20:39.55 | Lin | is there precompiled modules to madwifi on etch? |
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| 20:40.06 | stew | Lin: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:40.08 | ekimus | stew: and hence make it work nowhere except on debian? |
| 20:40.13 | Fetrovsky | so, about my printing problema... |
| 20:40.17 | stew | ekimus: i don't know about non-debian |
| 20:40.22 | Fetrovsky | paused: job-hold-until-specified |
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| 20:42.10 | stew | ekimus: however if some other os reqired the shabang to be #!/usr/bin/python and not #!/usr/bin/python2.5 when you specifically need version 2.5, that would sound more broken to me |
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| 20:42.20 | jono | hi everyone |
| 20:42.26 | jono | is sledge around? |
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| 20:42.54 | stew | jono: '/whois sledge' would tell you |
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| 20:43.18 | ekimus | stew: that is a point but whenever a script needs a specific version i'd rather explicitely tell that with the shebang, if it's expected to work version independet i'll user the generic name |
| 20:43.19 | irule | I there, I am trying to enable faxing from any app to hylafax, I currently am using cups, and the only related thing I found is this, http://archives.seul.org/pyla/list/Nov-2003/msg00008.html but, is there a simpler way to add a CLI command to a file that will call the faxing printer instead of all this hoopla? http://archives.seul.org/pyla/list/Nov-2003/msg00008.html |
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| 20:43.45 | ekimus | stew: guess we won't agree on that, but thanks anyway for the help :) |
| 20:43.52 | stew | ekimus: no, it sounds like we DO agree |
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| 20:44.15 | waspius | stew: any ideas on how to fix the versions? |
| 20:44.16 | ekimus | stew: and still a created the alternatives |
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| 20:44.53 | stew | ekimus: please don't complain or expect any support with /usr/bin/python pointing to python2.5 |
| 20:45.04 | stew | waspius: not without more information |
| 20:45.19 | waspius | stew: what can i do to provide more? |
| 20:45.31 | stew | waspius: what are you trying to do. what command gave you that error? |
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| 20:46.02 | ekimus | stew: if i install 2.5 from etch there's also a symlink to the corresponding binary so i'm not really concerned about that |
| 20:46.14 | waspius | stew: i am still playing with the qc-usb...i run the quickcam.sh and proceeded |
| 20:46.24 | suppaman | good night |
| 20:46.32 | suppaman | and thanks a lot |
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| 20:46.58 | suppaman | the biggest part of "a lot" goes to stew |
| 20:46.58 | stew | waspius: i have no idea what "quickcam.sh" is |
| 20:47.15 | suppaman | bye |
| 20:47.45 | waspius | stew: well i think debian does not have a pre insralled driver for webcams like ubuntu etc so i am trying to fix that |
| 20:48.50 | waspius | stew: so i came across qc-usb..but after installing it as you said nothing changed..so i am trying through the source again.. |
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| 20:49.09 | waspius | except if anyone knows how to fix the webcam support |
| 20:49.30 | ekimus | waspius: module-assistant doesn't have anything on that? |
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| 20:50.04 | waspius | ekimus: i dont know |
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| 20:50.49 | ekimus | waspius: haven't followed your discussion but it's about a missing kernel module right? |
| 20:52.06 | waspius | ekimus: i dont really know..the error i get is that i have a different version of gcc and my kernel compiler..i am trying to set up a webcam that is all |
| 20:52.10 | stew | waspius: there is no reason to compile the module from source if you have already compiled and installed it using m-a |
| 20:52.34 | waspius | stew: well as nothing changed..i dont know what to do:( |
| 20:53.34 | waspius | plus i was curious to see why i could not compile |
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| 20:55.24 | stew | waspius: what were you expecting to change? |
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| 20:55.43 | waspius | stew: my webcam to be found? |
| 20:55.43 | stew | waspius: you were able to successfully run "modprobe qc-usb" correct? |
| 20:55.47 | stew | waspius: what makes you think it isn't found? |
| 20:56.13 | waspius | stew: yes..well when i try with applications to use it it does not show up |
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| 20:57.05 | stew | waspius: put the output of "modprobe -r qc-usb && modprobe qc-usb && dmesg | tail " into a pastebin |
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| 20:58.32 | waspius | stew: FATAL: Module qc_usb not found. |
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| 20:59.17 | stew | uhh |
| 20:59.25 | Bogus8 | should I only need to install lpr and then my printer drivers to get printing working? (brother has a .deb for my printer and instructions say after installing .deb usb should be ready to print) |
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| 21:00.14 | stew | waspius: what did you change since the last time you were able to run "modprobe qc-usb" successfully? |
| 21:00.15 | ErichK | How do I uninstall something I've installed from source? |
| 21:00.27 | Bogus8 | ErichK: manually remove it :( |
| 21:00.29 | stew | waspius: did you uninstall the package? switch kernels? |
| 21:00.29 | Supaplex | ErichK: from apt-get source? |
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| 21:00.51 | waspius | stew: nothing.. i just played with gcc |
| 21:01.04 | stew | waspius: that can't be true |
| 21:01.29 | waspius | stew: i will do it all again..wait |
| 21:01.50 | fuzan | Anyone use David Turner's Xft/Cairo patches? |
| 21:02.42 | Supaplex | !anyone use David Turner's Xft/Cairo patches |
| 21:02.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses David Turner's Xft/Cairo patches, not even the people who use it. |
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| 21:03.16 | waspius | stew: i did it again it all completed fine..but the error still shows up |
| 21:03.44 | ErichK | I built it from source |
| 21:03.50 | stew | waspius: what error? |
| 21:04.03 | Bogus8 | I need some direction in getting lpr working here :( |
| 21:04.12 | waspius | stew: that it cannot be found |
| 21:04.28 | stew | waspius: put the exact command you typed and the exact error into a pastebin |
| 21:05.01 | stew | waspius: i can't possibly help when you tell me "i did it again and it said it can't be found" |
| 21:05.10 | waspius | stew: http://pastebin.ca/545731 |
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| 21:06.47 | stew | waspius: what happens when you run "modprobe qc-usb" ? |
| 21:06.50 | waspius | stew: the same |
| 21:07.09 | stew | waspius: what did you chance since you were successfully able to run "modprobe qc-usb"? did you change kernels? uninstall the package that was installed by running 'm-a a-i qc-usb' ? |
| 21:07.38 | stew | ^chance^change |
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| 21:08.35 | misreckoning | gnome-keyring-d takes 99% of my CPU... why? |
| 21:08.40 | waspius | stew: ok i looked at my history but it seems that when i first installed the source i did not run that command..but everything completed successfully |
| 21:08.44 | roxy_ | what is the easiest way to record from my webcam (v4l driver) ? |
| 21:08.52 | stew | ugh, what a waste of time |
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| 21:09.10 | waspius | stew: sorry:( |
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| 21:09.21 | Bogus8 | do you have to ahve cups isntalled to print in debian? |
| 21:09.43 | tdn | What type of SSH keys do you recommend me using? |
| 21:09.43 | roxy_ | Bogus8: no, but it makes life much easier |
| 21:09.48 | Bogus8 | k |
| 21:10.00 | kenboo | waspius, you're trying tin install QuickCam? |
| 21:10.07 | kenboo | s/tin/to/ |
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| 21:10.25 | waspius | kenboo: well i am trying to set it up..yes |
| 21:10.52 | waspius | roxy_: how did u set up your webcam to work? |
| 21:10.54 | stew | kenboo: he maybe compiled and installed it, and he maybe modprobbed it, he now wants to also compile it from source to satisfy his curiosity |
| 21:11.22 | waspius | stew: no forget about that..i just want to make it work |
| 21:11.25 | kenboo | ok. |
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| 21:11.31 | kenboo | module-assistant does that all |
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| 21:12.46 | roxy_ | waspius: working out of the box since 2.6.18 |
| 21:13.14 | rahul | modASS |
| 21:13.56 | kenboo | and, the module name is not qc-usb but quickcam |
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| 21:14.26 | stew | kenboo: well he 2 or three times told me that he ran qc-usb successfully, so i assumed that was the correct module name |
| 21:14.35 | stew | err ran "modprobe qc-usb" |
| 21:14.57 | waspius | well even in sunaptic that is the name |
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| 21:15.07 | stew | i clearly need a break |
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| 21:16.39 | dakoo | what's going on here then |
| 21:16.49 | ghata1 | Hi, I am trying add a loopback interface to my config. I have added the following line in my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:16.49 | ghata1 | auto lo:1 |
| 21:16.49 | ghata1 | iface lo:1 inet static |
| 21:16.49 | ghata1 | address 192.168.1.9 |
| 21:16.50 | ghata1 | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 21:17.15 | davi | How to ask to backports.org to add emacs22 to its queue? |
| 21:17.18 | tls_81 | gghatal address should be 127.0.0.1 in a loopback |
| 21:17.19 | kenboo | waspius, try "module-assistant install qc-usb" without " |
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| 21:17.31 | xand | tls_81: he "left" |
| 21:17.39 | ghata1 | Sorry for earlier |
| 21:17.47 | ghata1 | I guess my client messed it up |
| 21:18.01 | tls_81 | xand: didnt see got Kicked... |
| 21:18.05 | waspius | kenboo: not built successfully |
| 21:19.08 | ghata1 | My loopback interface does not come up, i get the error, Can Not assign the requested address |
| 21:19.11 | waspius | kenboo: in other distros i had used video4linux driver |
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| 21:19.21 | rahul | ghata1: becuase you broke it |
| 21:19.32 | ghata1 | rahul: how come |
| 21:19.34 | ghata1 | ? |
| 21:19.36 | rahul | ghata1: go back to a config that actually has a chance of working |
| 21:19.45 | rahul | how would I know what possessed you to break it? |
| 21:19.58 | waspius | kenboo: here i cannot find it..it exists in module-assistant but that also does not install |
| 21:20.01 | misreckoning | I could really use some help here... I can't stand this :P |
| 21:20.24 | misreckoning | I'm gonna jump from the window -_- |
| 21:20.47 | waspius | anyway deal with more serious problems than this..i am off to eat..thanx for the patience |
| 21:21.21 | kenboo | ok.. a meal is more important than a computer |
| 21:21.36 | misreckoning | kenboo, of course |
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| 21:24.02 | tls_81 | ghatal: go have a read |
| 21:24.05 | Thaiger | I'm trying to get VNC to serve a seperate X screen (Session?) so that someone can't look at the monitor and see whats going on, I know that its possible but I haven't seen it in a long time, does anyone have any ideas? |
| 21:24.05 | tls_81 | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NET3-4-HOWTO.html |
| 21:24.16 | tls_81 | ghatal: enjoy |
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| 21:25.57 | ghata1 | rahul: this is the current config, I can not see anything wrong with it >> http://paste.debian.net/29826 |
| 21:26.37 | \amethyst | ghata1: are you intending 192.168.1.* to be loopback (this machine only)? |
| 21:27.31 | ghata1 | \amethyst: no there are two others on the same network |
| 21:27.40 | \amethyst | ghata1: then why are you using lo:1 ? |
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| 21:27.48 | \amethyst | ghata1: what physical device is this? |
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| 21:28.03 | ghata1 | ghata1: is this the cause of issue ? |
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| 21:29.06 | Bogus8 | I'm trying to work with CUPS and I'm getting an error when I load the PPD for my printer |
| 21:29.09 | Bogus8 | "Filter "foomatic-rip" for printer "Brother_HL-2040_series_USB_1" not available: No such file or directory" |
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| 21:29.48 | \amethyst | ghata1: likely... where exactly does "Can Not assign the requested address" come from? |
| 21:29.58 | ghata1 | \amethyst: I just dont want this address to be assigned on physical interface |
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| 21:30.13 | \amethyst | ghata1: then how are there two other computers on the same network? |
| 21:31.16 | ghata1 | \amethyst: There is a router attached to eth0, which routes to another network, that is where other two boxes are |
| 21:31.59 | \amethyst | ghata1: and those two other boxes are in the 192.168.1.0/24 network? |
| 21:32.09 | ghata1 | \amethyst: yea |
| 21:32.11 | \amethyst | ghata1: it sounds like you want eth0:1 |
| 21:32.17 | \amethyst | ghata1: instead of lo:1 |
| 21:32.42 | \amethyst | ghata1: assuming you want to be able to talk to them |
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| 21:32.54 | stew | ghata1: what exactly is the problem? are you gettting an error? what error? from what command? |
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| 21:33.00 | ghata1 | \amethyst: do loop back interfaces have to be attached to a physical device ? |
| 21:33.06 | stew | ghata1: no |
| 21:33.12 | \amethyst | ghata1: loopback interface NEVER have a physical device |
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| 21:33.41 | ghata1 | \amethyst: when i try to do ifconfig lo:1 up i get SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
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| 21:34.16 | \amethyst | ghata1: what about ifup lo:1 |
| 21:34.20 | sohmestra | which release of fedora core is roughly equivalent to debian etch as far as software versions are concerned? |
| 21:34.21 | stew | ghata1: you don't have to bring it up. it is up if lo is up and lo:1 is assigned an address |
| 21:34.39 | stew | sohmestra: this is the wrong channel for fedora questions |
| 21:34.42 | \amethyst | ghata1: ifconfig doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces directly |
| 21:34.53 | Lin | ghata1: Assign an address to it |
| 21:34.58 | Lin | ifconfig lo:2 127.0.0.2 |
| 21:35.00 | \amethyst | sohmestra: Doesn't really match up at all |
| 21:35.27 | \amethyst | stew: And #fedora would say it's the wrong channel for debian questions, probably :) |
| 21:36.03 | ghata1 | \amethyst: it came up fine with ifup |
| 21:36.03 | sohmestra | stew: somehow I get the idea I'd get the same response on #fedora. The question is concerning a comparison of debian and fedora, and is thus appropriate in either or none. |
| 21:36.18 | \amethyst | ghata1: if you connect to 192.168.1.56 (or anything else in that /24), that will go to the same computer |
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| 21:36.21 | stew | sohmestra: packages.debian.org will tell you versions in debian, you can ask #fedora "what version of fedora has foo version 1.2.3" or you can ask ##linux |
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| 21:37.30 | \amethyst | ghata1: just like 127.33.76.2 goes to the same computer |
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| 21:38.13 | ghata1 | \amethyst: hmm..... Ahh... it is never going to attempt to go to default gateway as it thinks that packets needs to go down the wire on lo:1 interface |
| 21:38.14 | kenboo | sohmestra, i guess you want to compare versions of kernel, X, gtk...and some other key packages. |
| 21:38.27 | kenboo | gcc, libc.. |
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| 21:38.50 | \amethyst | ghata1: Not only that, but a loopback network is *entirely* within one computer |
| 21:39.12 | sohmestra | kenboo: libapr in particular. I'm asking on #fedora, thanks. |
| 21:39.26 | ghata1 | \amethyst: Ok I got it |
| 21:39.33 | doob77 | is 127.*.*.* a loopback address |
| 21:39.40 | doob77 | e.g. 128.9.78.89 |
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| 21:39.46 | doob77 | e.g. 127.9.78.89 |
| 21:39.52 | doob77 | ignore the first e.g. |
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| 21:39.58 | kenboo | libapr...apache portable runtime...2.0.55 or 1.2.7 is what debian etch uses |
| 21:40.06 | vick | Hello, does anybody know how to recover deleted files ? |
| 21:40.07 | \amethyst | doob77: yes, the "standard" loopback network is 127.0.0.0/8 |
| 21:40.10 | ghata1 | Yea i understand it now |
| 21:40.15 | misreckoning | is madwifi-tools all I need for wireless in debian? |
| 21:40.30 | doob77 | ah |
| 21:40.54 | \amethyst | vick: Probably not... what filesystem? |
| 21:40.58 | misreckoning | I'm using atheros chip and I can also use ndiswrapper but madwifi is - more free? |
| 21:41.02 | waspius | ok i see that /dev/video0 does not exist..how do i create it? |
| 21:41.02 | vick | \amethyst: ext2 or ext3 |
| 21:41.20 | \amethyst | vick: with ext2 but not ext3, you can use e2undel |
| 21:42.07 | \amethyst | vick: problem is ext3 witpes the inode when a file is deleted |
| 21:42.11 | \amethyst | s/witp/wip/ |
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| 21:45.15 | \amethyst | vick: there's also recover, but again it supports only ext2, not ext3 |
| 21:45.23 | \amethyst | if it was a jpeg file and wasn't too fragmented, recoverjpeg might be able to find it |
| 21:45.36 | Bogus8 | printing with xpdf how do you send the job to CUPS? |
| 21:46.28 | \amethyst | Bogus8: Do you use cupsys-bsd ? |
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| 21:47.06 | kenboo | recoverjpeg -- i wonder what was the motivation of writing this code |
| 21:47.42 | kenboo | Bogus8, cups' lpr knows pdf. it sends to appropriate filter |
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| 21:47.49 | \amethyst | kenboo: possibly police forensics |
| 21:48.04 | Eulex | kenboo, lost pr0n on corrupted file systems? ;) |
| 21:48.11 | kenboo | hehe |
| 21:48.25 | kenboo | or suspecting spouse etc.. |
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| 21:48.37 | matahari | hi |
| 21:48.45 | matahari | i installed pootle from APT |
| 21:49.00 | matahari | but the start script /etc/init.d/pootle seems not to work |
| 21:49.24 | Fetrovsky | paused: job-hold-until-specified <0----- what does this mean and how do I fix it? |
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| 21:49.56 | Eulex | matahari, I haven't used that software, but did you look at the configuration of it and read the included documentation? |
| 21:50.07 | matahari | think i have it |
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| 21:50.32 | Bogus8 | kenboo: well, lpr command is not sending it to cups :( |
| 21:50.40 | matahari | perfekt |
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| 21:51.42 | kenboo | Bogus8, that's strange. did you set default printer in CUPS console? |
| 21:51.46 | Bogus8 | printing <-- this is why linux drives me crazy |
| 21:51.58 | Bogus8 | kenboo: set it up via web interface |
| 21:51.59 | stew | printing is so 20th century |
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| 21:53.00 | kenboo | Bogus8, ok. try lpq command. does it say XXX is ready? |
| 21:53.14 | kenboo | Bogus8, XXX is your default printer. |
| 21:53.34 | Bogus8 | kenboo: lpq -a doesn't return anything |
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| 21:54.39 | kenboo | without -a option. |
| 21:55.23 | Bogus8 | kenboo: it says "lpq: lp: unknown printer" |
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| 21:56.27 | karmatro1ic | hi there |
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| 21:56.31 | tarzeau | hi |
| 21:56.43 | kenboo | Bogus8, check /etc/cups/printers.conf |
| 21:56.54 | kenboo | Bogus8, search for DefaultPrinter |
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| 21:57.33 | Bogus8 | I have <DefaultPrinter Brother_HL-2040_series_USB_1> |
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| 21:58.21 | kenboo | Bogus8, hmm ok. |
| 21:58.35 | kenboo | Bogus8, at least it can print a test page, right? |
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| 21:59.09 | Bogus8 | kenboo: via the web interface, yes |
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| 22:01.30 | davidL | why does this command not produce sound ``cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp'' ? |
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| 22:03.08 | rokfit | davidL: is alsa running? |
| 22:03.35 | davidL | rokfit, by running do you mean configured? if so, yes |
| 22:03.47 | rokfit | is your hardware supported? |
| 22:04.08 | davidL | sound plays when I use applications such as firefox and xmms |
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| 22:04.10 | rokfit | is alsamixer configured? |
| 22:04.28 | rokfit | then the command is probably off somewhere |
| 22:04.38 | rokfit | is the sound protocol supported? |
| 22:04.54 | davidL | what do you mean? |
| 22:05.15 | rokfit | like for example mp3 isn't supported by default |
| 22:05.45 | davidL | /dev/urandom is random data |
| 22:05.49 | davidL | I should be hearing noise |
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| 22:06.25 | kenboo | Bogus8, i'm not sure why lpr doesn't work. but can you try lp instead? lp some_pdf_file.pdf like this. if it complaints like unknown printer try lp -d Brother_HL-2040_series_USB_1 filename.pdf |
| 22:06.38 | rokfit | idk but that one helped me |
| 22:06.48 | Bogus8 | kenboo: will try |
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| 22:07.34 | Bogus8 | kenboo: Yo! that worked |
| 22:07.41 | Bogus8 | lp recognized the default printer |
| 22:07.43 | Bogus8 | *shrug* |
| 22:07.54 | Fetrovsky | the config says to use mfp:/dev/mfp4 |
| 22:07.56 | Fetrovsky | but there's no such file |
| 22:08.21 | Bogus8 | kenboo: thanks! |
| 22:09.52 | kenboo | Bogus8, no problem....at least we found a way to print.. |
| 22:10.19 | Fetrovsky | i haven't :( |
| 22:10.27 | Fetrovsky | i mean, it was printing before |
| 22:10.31 | Fetrovsky | it just stopped working =( |
| 22:10.55 | Bogus8 | kenboo: word, I can't stand printers period and linux is the epitamy of evil :) |
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| 22:11.29 | furrywolf | don't know anything about hl-2040's, but my hl-1240 works perfectly. :) |
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| 22:17.38 | regulate | yaird error: unrecognised line in /proc/bus/input/devices: U: Uniq= (fatal) |
| 22:17.47 | regulate | what does that have to do with installing a kernel image |
| 22:18.00 | regulate | is this a yaird bug? |
| 22:18.23 | regulate | how do i tell make-kpkg to not use yaird |
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| 22:21.49 | Fetrovsky | i already restarted cups |
| 22:21.57 | karsten | regulate: Don't know, but you might want to read: http://www.dominik-epple.de/Sarge-Linux_2.6.14-yaird/index.html |
| 22:21.58 | Fetrovsky | i deleted /var/spool/cups and remade it |
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| 22:22.01 | Fetrovsky | still it won't print |
| 22:22.04 | Fetrovsky | :( |
| 22:22.39 | karsten | Fetrovsky: Why won't it print / what errors do you get at CLI and/or CUPS logging? |
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| 22:23.08 | davidL | does ``cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp'' work for anyone else? |
| 22:23.29 | Supaplex | dsp is oss |
| 22:23.45 | davidL | which one is alsa? |
| 22:24.15 | Supaplex | well, /dev/dsp works for oss legacy support ala alsa, |
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| 22:24.17 | Supaplex | !alsa |
| 22:24.17 | dpkg | i heard alsa is http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
| 22:24.19 | Fetrovsky | karsten: i get that message "hob-hold-until-specified" |
| 22:24.23 | Fetrovsky | i'm gonna see the logs |
| 22:24.46 | davidL | Supaplex, so that command should in fact work? |
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| 22:25.01 | Caelum | why does scp user@host1:file user@host2:dir time out? |
| 22:25.04 | Supaplex | davidL: *might* |
| 22:25.20 | Supaplex | Caelum: try some -vvv |
| 22:25.24 | karsten | Fetrovsky: CUPS is one of several dark (if not black) boxes. Check yoru printer specification, see if the job's gettign to the pirnter or if CUPS is holding on to it. I suspect thet latter. |
| 22:25.34 | furrywolf | Caelum: chances are, either host1 or host2 is down... |
| 22:25.35 | davidL | Supaplex, -vvv ? |
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| 22:25.42 | karsten | Caelum: Because it's not working. |
| 22:25.52 | Supaplex | davidL: yes, -vvv 3x verbose. |
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| 22:25.56 | Fetrovsky | ok karsten i got two errors in the log, but they repeat: |
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| 22:25.57 | Fetrovsky | E [06/Jun/2007:15:23:57 -0700] PID 4866 (/usr/lib/cups/backend/mfp) stopped with status 2! |
| 22:25.58 | karsten | Caelum: Verbosity on client and checking server logs woudl be useful. |
| 22:26.00 | arraista | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.05 | Fetrovsky | E [06/Jun/2007:15:23:58 -0700] PID 4865 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip) stopped with status 9! |
| 22:26.15 | karsten | Fetrovsky: NFC, but GIYF. |
| 22:26.18 | Supaplex | arraista: wrong. we're #debian. try again. :) |
| 22:26.19 | karsten | !nfc |
| 22:26.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 22:26.21 | karsten | !giyf |
| 22:26.21 | dpkg | [giyf] Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux |
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| 22:26.49 | karmatro1ic | davidL: cat something_ >/dev/snd/pcm.... |
| 22:26.49 | davidL | Supaplex, doesn't work I'm affraid |
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| 22:27.06 | Fetrovsky | google didn't help |
| 22:27.06 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 22:27.06 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 22:27.08 | arraista | Supaplex: sorry, just joining some channels here... |
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| 22:28.01 | Supaplex | davidL: try following the alsa factoid from dpkg, and the references therein. |
| 22:28.05 | Supaplex | !tell davidL -about alsa |
| 22:28.10 | Supaplex | !tell davidL -about smart questions |
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| 22:28.30 | davidL | ? |
| 22:28.42 | davidL | the wiki doesnt say anything about listening to binary data |
| 22:28.58 | Supaplex | try installing a simple media player |
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| 22:29.06 | davidL | audio works just fine |
| 22:29.10 | Supaplex | any alsa app should do |
| 22:29.14 | rokfit | moc |
| 22:29.15 | Supaplex | well then what's the problem? |
| 22:29.17 | karsten | davidL: binary data generally sounds like white noise, it's a simple sound system check. |
| 22:29.29 | davidL | karsten, yes, I know |
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| 22:29.53 | davidL | Supaplex, I can't hear /dev/urandom |
| 22:30.16 | Fetrovsky | well, i try to run /usr/lib/cups/backend/mfp |
| 22:30.19 | Fetrovsky | manually... |
| 22:30.31 | Fetrovsky | but it complains about there not being any /dev/mfp/* |
| 22:30.33 | Supaplex | davidL: but you said < davidL> audio works just fine, why does urandom matter? |
| 22:30.40 | davidL | normally I would do ``cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp'' but that does not produce sound |
| 22:30.53 | davidL | yes, audio works from xmms and the like |
| 22:32.04 | Supaplex | davidL: help us out here. what are you trying to do? just listen to urandom? why not convert it to a format xmms can play? :) I don't that that's what you want, but ... |
| 22:32.15 | kenboo | Fetrovsky, what is mfp? what protocol is that? |
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| 22:32.37 | davidL | Supaplex, this type of thing is used for listening for memory leaks |
| 22:33.02 | karmatro1ic | davidL: try modprobe snd_pcm_oss and you should be able to run your command |
| 22:33.32 | Fetrovsky | no clue.. let me google it |
| 22:33.40 | Fetrovsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.45 | Fetrovsky | Last modified: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 |
| 22:33.46 | Fetrovsky | Access FREE NAVTEQ |
| 22:33.46 | Fetrovsky | Location and Navigation Technical Tools: |
| 22:33.46 | Fetrovsky | Development Guide: |
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| 22:33.53 | karmatro1ic | davidL: if you cant modprobe that , then your kernel doesnt have alsa´s oss emulation so /dev/dsp will never appear.... |
| 22:33.55 | Supaplex | davidL: seriously? why not use a memory use/leak profoling tool? |
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| 22:34.07 | Salihu_ | clear |
| 22:34.08 | Fetrovsky | shite wrong key sorry |
| 22:34.09 | Fetrovsky | =) |
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| 22:34.51 | Fetrovsky | MFP: Short for multifunction peripheral, a single device that serves several functions, including printing. |
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| 22:35.14 | davidL | karmatro1ic, I was able to modprobe that, unfortunately the command ``cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp'' still did not produce sound |
| 22:36.52 | Supaplex | Fetrovsky: also known as "prone to be a PITA to keep functioning correctly" |
| 22:36.52 | davidL | let me try closing X |
| 22:36.52 | Bogus8 | I keep finding references to install ia32-libs-XXX but nothing beyond ia32-libs exist on the apt repos... am i missing something? |
| 22:36.52 | Fetrovsky | Supaplex: what do you mean? |
| 22:36.52 | Bogus8 | XXX = gtk, kde |
| 22:36.53 | Fetrovsky | but this is not an multifunction... it's just a laser printer... |
| 22:36.53 | Fetrovsky | =/ |
| 22:36.53 | Supaplex | Fetrovsky: all in one devices for the lose |
| 22:36.53 | Supaplex | Fetrovsky: better choice :) |
| 22:36.53 | kenboo | Fetrovsky, hmm ok. i don't know how to fix. reinstall may help since you did some random debugging. |
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| 22:37.15 | Fetrovsky | but then i don't knoiw how to uninstall the sw |
| 22:37.22 | Fetrovsky | it's the one distriuted by samsung |
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| 22:37.46 | regulate | the problem is with yaird |
| 22:38.08 | kenboo | Fetrovsky, i'm saying reinstall cups. |
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| 22:38.34 | Fetrovsky | oh that |
| 22:38.42 | Fetrovsky | so aptitude and stuff? |
| 22:38.44 | Fetrovsky | lemme check |
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| 22:40.17 | Fetrovsky | hmm |
| 22:40.18 | regulate | can anyone else help me with this |
| 22:40.20 | regulate | yaird error: unrecognised line in /proc/bus/input/devices: U: Uniq= (fatal) |
| 22:40.22 | Fetrovsky | aparently i don't know how to do that... |
| 22:40.24 | Fetrovsky | reinstall cups |
| 22:41.20 | Fetrovsky | oh yeah... removing cupsys |
| 22:41.28 | Bogus8 | can I download the ia32-libs-gtk from "unstable" if I'm running etch stable? |
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| 22:42.40 | Fetrovsky | ok, reinstalled ucps |
| 22:42.41 | Fetrovsky | same thing |
| 22:43.34 | kenboo | Fetrovsky, did you purge config files as well? |
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| 22:44.20 | unlink | i get this from dmesg|tail: |
| 22:44.20 | unlink | sg[5189]: segfault at 0000000000000004 rip 00002b9339e6e8b7 rsp 00007fff71139fa0 error 4 |
| 22:44.23 | unlink | sg[5200]: segfault at 0000000000000004 rip 00002aadb19228b7 rsp 00007ffff9686590 error 4 |
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| 22:46.36 | Fetrovsky | kenboo: no :$ |
| 22:46.39 | Fetrovsky | how do I do that? |
| 22:47.27 | karmatro1ic | Fetrovsky: apt-get remove --purge |
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| 22:48.19 | Fetrovsky | oh ok |
| 22:48.20 | Fetrovsky | thanks |
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| 22:48.56 | Bogus8 | I'm having problems getting an application to run (Opera) this is the same as my problem here s/Gor/Got/ |
| 22:49.04 | Bogus8 | err not that |
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| 22:49.17 | Bogus8 | http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=190523 |
| 22:49.17 | Bogus8 | ^^ that |
| 22:49.24 | Fetrovsky | ok |
| 22:49.26 | Fetrovsky | then install? |
| 22:49.26 | DaveyB | How do I get code::blocks for debian? |
| 22:49.32 | Bogus8 | but I dont' run kde (xfce) and I can't find that package any how |
| 22:49.49 | Bogus8 | I did install unstable ia32-libs-gtk but no help |
| 22:50.36 | kenboo | Fetrovsky, ya...install other recommended packages |
| 22:50.43 | kenboo | as well. |
| 22:51.06 | Fetrovsky | i'm adding the printer using the kde wizard... |
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| 22:51.42 | Bogus8 | can I run ubuntu edgy packages in straight edgy debian? |
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| 22:52.02 | karmatro1ic | Bogus8: apt-get install libqt3-mt |
| 22:52.04 | xand | Bogus8: what's edgy debian? |
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| 22:52.11 | Fetrovsky | hmm |
| 22:52.18 | Bogus8 | karmatro1ic: I have that installed already :( |
| 22:52.22 | Fetrovsky | i got three options from which I don't know what to choose |
| 22:52.30 | dkr | xand: etchy? :) |
| 22:52.43 | xand | ha |
| 22:52.44 | karmatro1ic | Bogus8: updatedb ;locate libqt3-mt |
| 22:52.47 | Fetrovsky | SPL II, Foomatic + splix, Foomatic + gdi |
| 22:52.50 | Fetrovsky | what is that? |
| 22:53.28 | karmatro1ic | Bogus8: and look if the directory holdind that lib appears in /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 22:53.38 | karmatro1ic | Bogus8: otherwise, put it there and run ldconfig |
| 22:53.48 | krekon | do you know how I could run apache as www-data and not as root? |
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| 22:53.56 | Bogus8 | karmatro1ic: it doesn't look like it's installed right? |
| 22:54.36 | Bogus8 | karmatro1ic: bunch of docs and some /var/lib/dpkg/info stuff |
| 22:54.49 | karmatro1ic | Bogus8: lib should appear .... |
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| 22:54.50 | Bogus8 | and my apt cache |
| 22:55.04 | Bogus8 | guess I'll force a reinstall |
| 22:55.06 | karmatro1ic | krekon: use User www-data in your httpd.conf |
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| 22:56.10 | krekon | karmatro1ic and how I run it? through root appers to be root the user? |
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| 22:56.43 | xand | krekon: it works that way by default. apache won't let you run it as root unless you re-compile |
| 22:56.52 | Acu | I have downloaded and unzpipped TMEV (a bioinformatics package) and I have a tmev.sh file if I try to do ./tmev.sh I get bash: ./tmev.sh: Permission denied - why is that (I already changed the permisions to that directory to be able to modify - with the same result) |
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| 22:57.07 | Alarm | hello. i just noticed that i cant view files AND directories on other partitions that are written with greek characters. how can this be fixed ? |
| 22:57.11 | xand | Acu: chmod +x file.sh |
| 22:57.11 | karmatro1ic | xand: wrong,running it as a different user doesnt require recompiling |
| 22:57.17 | Alarm | i used debian etch english |
| 22:57.22 | xand | karmatro1ic: wrong, running as root does |
| 22:57.25 | Bogus8 | karmatro1ic: hey, just reinstalled it... check it http://pastebin.ca/545991 |
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| 22:57.34 | krekon | karmatro1ic I'm running it in that way right now I have to change something? |
| 22:57.48 | xand | krekon: the default is for it to run as www-data |
| 22:57.48 | krekon | xand |
| 22:58.18 | xand | you start it as root, but it actually runs as www-data |
| 22:58.29 | xand | there is no way to run it as root except by recompiling. |
| 22:58.34 | krekon | xand and that i'm running it like that how I could change it? |
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| 22:58.42 | Fetrovsky | ok test page printed fine |
| 22:58.48 | Fetrovsky | lemme try to print something as a user |
| 22:58.49 | Acu | xand: thanks I just did what you told me - result bash: ./tmev.sh: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 22:58.55 | xand | krekon: change it to what? |
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| 22:59.10 | xand | Acu: that file is in dos format instead of unix format |
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| 22:59.41 | DaveyB | Why is it so fucking hard to install something on a Debian box. Every time I have to debug tweak and fuck around with the software to get it to work. That's the sole reason why Linux will never take of as a decent desktop machine. |
| 22:59.45 | DaveyB | </rant> |
| 22:59.57 | hexoffset | I use Gnome (gdmflexiserver) to have two users logged in at once. When I plug in the digital camera it only allows the first logged in user to access. Can I change this? |
| 23:00.00 | xand | DaveyB: it's not hard... apt-get install program |
| 23:00.17 | Acu | xand: thanks - I will dig a bit more into it |
| 23:00.22 | Bogus8 | karmatro1ic: did you get my pastebin? |
| 23:00.32 | karmatro1ic | Bogus8: yeah , im thinking... |
| 23:00.37 | Bogus8 | no prob |
| 23:00.50 | karmatro1ic | DaveyB: i dont understand ,i have exactly the opposite feeling |
| 23:00.57 | Fetrovsky | wheeeee it's printing |
| 23:01.09 | Fetrovsky | wonder what had happened that I needed to recreate the printer |
| 23:01.09 | Fetrovsky | :S |
| 23:01.22 | karmatro1ic | DaveyB: i wonder why people bother using gui installers when running apt-get install what you want |
| 23:01.29 | DaveyB | xand, So how do I install code::blocks for Debian? |
| 23:01.32 | Fetrovsky | it still prints a helluva lot slower than from windows... |
| 23:01.44 | kenboo | Fetrovsky, congrats :-) |
| 23:01.50 | karmatro1ic | DaveyB: the only problem with debian is gnome2.14 , it should be 2.18 already |
| 23:02.13 | xand | DaveyB: is that a perl module? |
| 23:02.15 | DaveyB | 2.14.3 ATM :) |
| 23:02.27 | DaveyB | xand, C IDE. |
| 23:02.30 | hexoffset | I use Gnome (gdmflexiserver) to have two users logged in at once. When I plug in the digital camera it only allows the first logged in user to access. Can I change this? |
| 23:02.37 | hexoffset | any takers... please? |
| 23:02.48 | Fetrovsky | kenboo: thanks :D |
| 23:04.32 | karmatro1ic | DaveyB: wget http://neutronic.mine.nu/debian/unstable/codeblocks_1.0rc2-1_i386.deb |
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| 23:04.59 | karmatro1ic | DaveyB: then dpkg -i this_file |
| 23:05.35 | karmatro1ic | DaveyB: and then if it doesnt launch ,edit the /usr/share/applications/codeblocks.desktop |
| 23:05.52 | karmatro1ic | DaveyB: and comment with a ; the line Encoding=UTF-8 |
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| 23:06.36 | DaveyB | karmatro1ic, dpkg: status database area is locked by another process |
| 23:06.42 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 23:06.42 | dpkg | qotd158 is, like, <paulswm> They don't make 2.25 ton mass storage drives any more :( |
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| 23:07.11 | karmatro1ic | DaveyB: yuo have another terminal running some apt stuff... |
| 23:07.45 | DaveyB | karmatro1ic, fixed that by killing a process, now on to error 2: |
| 23:07.46 | DaveyB | dpkg: error processing CB_20070603_rev4051_Ubuntu6.10+7.04_wx2.8.deb~ (--install): |
| 23:07.46 | DaveyB | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.46 | DaveyB | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 23:07.46 | DaveyB | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:08.14 | DaveyB | That was only a 3 line paste :/ |
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| 23:08.31 | tarzeau | DaveyB: but the wrong distro? |
| 23:08.41 | karmatro1ic | DaveyB: did it finish downloading? |
| 23:08.54 | DaveyB | That's the one I was told to d/l and yes karmatro1ic it's finished |
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| 23:09.30 | Arafangion | DaveyB: Don't install Ubuntu packages on Debian. |
| 23:09.44 | DaveyB | Arafangion, I haven't just removed it now :) |
| 23:10.18 | DaveyB | Do you know where I can get a hold of the debian package for code::blocks :/ |
| 23:10.20 | Arafangion | DaveyB: How do you remove something that isn't installed? |
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| 23:10.32 | DaveyB | rm |
| 23:10.47 | DaveyB | To remove the file. It didn't install so there was no need |
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| 23:11.38 | karmatro1ic | DaveyB: i just installed that deb file and it worked like a charm... |
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| 23:12.21 | Fetrovsky | how can I share my cups printer with another computer? |
| 23:12.21 | [Nande] | dkpg-remove package |
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| 23:13.13 | readthemanual | how do i allow my user account access to my x server |
| 23:13.56 | DaveyB | karmatro1ic, ahh cleared my d/l cache and it worked woop woop thanks |
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| 23:14.27 | kenboo | Fetrovsky, i guess it's Listen line of /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 23:14.43 | kenboo | Fetrovsky, change localhost:631 to something like 0.0.0.0:631 |
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| 23:15.11 | karmatro1ic | Fetrovsky: open port 631 to your local network |
| 23:15.36 | Fetrovsky | does it require user/pass? |
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| 23:16.18 | karmatro1ic | Fetrovsky: search for the </Location> block on cupsd.conf |
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| 23:16.35 | karmatro1ic | Fetrovsky: and add there Allow 192.168.5.* |
| 23:16.55 | karmatro1ic | Fetrovsky: well the appropriate network i mean |
| 23:17.01 | caravel | Hi all. Could anyone please help me to fix a grub partition ? I access the grub shell but cannot display the menu |
| 23:17.05 | karmatro1ic | Fetrovsky: an other way is to run samba |
| 23:17.06 | Fetrovsky | it can be a single host address can it? |
| 23:17.11 | karmatro1ic | Fetrovsky: yes |
| 23:17.34 | Fetrovsky | ok |
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| 23:17.43 | Fetrovsky | then i kill cupsd and rerun it? |
| 23:18.06 | readthemanual | how do i allow a user account to access gnome |
| 23:18.08 | karmatro1ic | Fetrovsky: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 23:18.19 | Fetrovsky | oh that sounds cleaner |
| 23:18.20 | Fetrovsky | :) |
| 23:18.31 | karmatro1ic | readthemanual: if you use gdm , it should work out of the box |
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| 23:19.12 | readthemanual | whenever i su - into my user account i get an X.auth user is not authorized to use X |
| 23:19.20 | karsten | !sux |
| 23:19.21 | dpkg | it has been said that sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
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| 23:19.37 | g00se | tarzeau: *some* success thanks with netboot. Connected (possibly) problem now occurring with undetected SATA HD |
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| 23:19.44 | kenboo | oh cool...i didn't know sux |
| 23:19.55 | kenboo | then again i don't use gui app when suing.. |
| 23:20.02 | karsten | readthemanual: or as root: xauth -merge ~<username>/.Xauthority |
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| 23:20.23 | karsten | kenboo: I don't if I can help it. Some wifi/network stuff wants it. |
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| 23:21.07 | jankman | hi 2 al.. tell me please what is rm -rf ?? |
| 23:21.07 | Suprano | s.o. using ion with 2 mointors ? |
| 23:21.13 | Suprano | *monitors |
| 23:21.25 | Arafangion | jankman: see: man rm |
| 23:21.27 | readthemanual | jankman its a command you dont enter |
| 23:21.33 | karsten | jankman: not generally recommended. |
| 23:21.35 | Fetrovsky | when creating the printer remotely, do I specify anonymous or normal login? |
| 23:21.35 | karmatro1ic | jankman: whith a /* , it s something quite funny |
| 23:21.48 | karsten | karmatro1ic: *NOT* cool. |
| 23:21.51 | karmatro1ic | come on |
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| 23:22.04 | Arafangion | karmatro1ic: I once had a friend enter in: rm -rf / on MY laptop, just before the end of a uni semester! |
| 23:22.10 | karsten | karmatro1ic: Your obligation is to behave responsibly WRT newbies. |
| 23:22.24 | Arafangion | karmatro1ic: More precisely, he explicitly entered in: sudo rm -rf / |
| 23:22.28 | karsten | jankman: rm -rf is forced remove with no prompting recursively through a directory tree. |
| 23:22.34 | PaSurf | I have a etch system that for some reason quite responding. I bounce the server and all seems well. I checked the logs ( /var/log) in the messages and mysql.error logs. Where else should I be looking for possible issues and hangups with the machine? |
| 23:22.43 | Fetrovsky | whee!! unbelievable |
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| 23:22.48 | Fetrovsky | it's working :D:D:D |
| 23:22.48 | karmatro1ic | Arafangion: the use of sudo clearly indicates he dit it on purpose |
| 23:22.53 | Fetrovsky | no it's not working =( |
| 23:22.54 | caravel | what could cause grub to fail mounting an ext3 part ?? |
| 23:22.56 | Arafangion | PaSurf: I'd stop bouncing it if you have any problems ;) |
| 23:23.03 | Fetrovsky | the printer just jerked... but nothing came out =( |
| 23:23.15 | Arafangion | karmatro1ic: Actually he was under teh mistaken impression that sudo always asks for a password first. |
| 23:23.19 | karsten | karmatro1ic: Or blindly typed what some sociopathic IRC luser told him. |
| 23:23.38 | jankman | omg... senks |
| 23:23.56 | PaSurf | Arafangion: you think the "bouncing" might be the issue? jk |
| 23:23.57 | Fetrovsky | hmm probably not a postscript printer |
| 23:24.12 | Arafangion | PaSurf: Most definetly. |
| 23:24.16 | readthemanual | Arafangion what did you do to the idiot who trashed your system |
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| 23:24.43 | cesar_ | hi |
| 23:24.56 | Phil4 | hey guys |
| 23:24.58 | Phil4 | is it possible to downgrade from Etch to Sarge? |
| 23:25.07 | Arafangion | readthemanual: Let him believe that I had lost everything, despite the fact that I had it perfectly well backed up the previous night - though I let him know about the backup in about 5 minutes... I have never let him forget, though. |
| 23:25.11 | karsten | !downgrade |
| 23:25.11 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 23:25.22 | karmatronic | im back |
| 23:25.23 | karsten | Phil4: No. Reinstall. |
| 23:25.33 | karmatronic | and with my proper nickname |
| 23:25.56 | Arafangion | Phil4: Possible, yes, but sane? No. |
| 23:26.07 | Arafangion | Phil4: And downgrades are utterly not supported. |
| 23:26.32 | Phil4 | I am considering buying a server that I would like to run Directadmin on |
| 23:26.39 | Suprano | hey, i just set up my second monitor (nvidia twin view) but its not how i whish it should be: it is my workspace expanded on the screen. instead i want 2 workspace (with window sharing, if possible).. |
| 23:26.48 | Phil4 | but the server company puts Etch on there |
| 23:26.49 | karsten | karmatronic: Try that one more time and I'll request a ban on you. Kapiche? |
| 23:26.51 | Phil4 | DA needs Sarge atm |
| 23:27.03 | cesar_ | somebody how to add a program for load when init debian? |
| 23:27.11 | karmatronic | karsten: sorry? |
| 23:27.25 | karsten | cesar_: less /etc/init.d/README |
| 23:27.30 | karmatronic | cesar_: edit /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 23:27.42 | cesar_ | thanks |
| 23:27.44 | cesar_ | :-) |
| 23:27.49 | karmatronic | karsten: i didnt get you ? |
| 23:28.28 | Spyro_boy | Hello |
| 23:28.35 | cesar_ | i was hopening one answer similar |
| 23:28.38 | cesar_ | :-) |
| 23:28.38 | Spyro_boy | If I want to compile a new GTK |
| 23:28.44 | Spyro_boy | should I remove the old GTK package? |
| 23:28.50 | Spyro_boy | or just make install over it? |
| 23:28.55 | karmatronic | karsten: why banning me with no reason ? |
| 23:29.12 | Arafangion | Spyro_boy: make install into /usr/local |
| 23:29.47 | Arafangion | Spyro_boy: Or even into a directory in your ~/ |
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| 23:30.08 | cmdln | what is the best way to install sids kernel in etch? |
| 23:30.16 | Spyro_boy | Arafangion, alright, thanks. |
| 23:30.29 | readthemanual | xauth -merge /home/chris.Xauthority |
| 23:30.43 | karmatronic | karsten: so...no explanations? |
| 23:31.08 | readthemanual | this command is coming back that it is missing something |
| 23:31.09 | karsten | karmatronic: Busy. |
| 23:31.21 | karsten | karmatronic: Telling users that rm -rf is funny. Isn't. |
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| 23:32.00 | karmatronic | karsten: oh that...i mean if someone comes to a debian s channel and ask waht rm -rf means, it s clearly a joke, dont you think ? |
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| 23:32.27 | karmatronic | karsten: at least that s the way i understood it |
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| 23:32.45 | karmatronic | karsten: isnt it weird the guy didnt insist ... |
| 23:32.51 | Fetrovsky | how do I check the cups printers and remove/add/configure? |
| 23:32.52 | karsten | karmatronic: You still don't get it, do you. |
| 23:32.53 | karmatronic | karsten: cos he had no answer ... |
| 23:33.00 | dwu | karsten: Reban :) |
| 23:33.03 | karsten | karmatronic: Suggest, strongly, you drop this. |
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| 23:33.52 | karmatronic | karsten: suggest you reread the entire sequence and realize you re going too far |
| 23:33.58 | brickbrite | hi folks. i ssh into my debian machine from work and the connection is closed after something like 30 minutes of inactivity. is this a parameter of sshd which i can adjust? |
| 23:34.06 | matthew | Anyone got any good rsync tutorials (not including reading man, I'm doing that now) |
| 23:34.24 | matthew | brickbrite: almost certainly |
| 23:34.41 | matthew | I can't find out at the moment, but try something like /etc/opensshd/something.conf |
| 23:34.46 | karmatronic | brickbrite: keep_alive option |
| 23:34.48 | brickbrite | matthew, i agree, i havent' been able to find it either |
| 23:34.51 | brickbrite | aha, thanks karmatronic! |
| 23:34.58 | tuv | does debian's 2.6.21 kernel have support for c2d temperature? |
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| 23:35.36 | readthemanual | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.39 | matthew | brickbrite: I probably COULD find it, its just I'm waiting on things to install. Like opensshd :P |
| 23:35.47 | matthew | Otherwise I'd poke about for you now. |
| 23:36.06 | readthemanual | what am i mistyping |
| 23:36.07 | matthew | --merge as opposed to -merge? |
| 23:36.12 | karsten | karmatronic: And what makes you think I haven't. I repeat: Suggest, strongly, you drop this. |
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| 23:36.20 | karmatronic | brickbrite: ssh -o TCPKeepAlive your_host |
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| 23:36.33 | wyrm | hi guys |
| 23:36.39 | matthew | hey |
| 23:36.44 | readthemanual | no dash in front of merge |
| 23:36.45 | karmatronic | karsten: suggest you do the same,cos i already did |
| 23:36.49 | wyrm | who know ClassicLadder? |
| 23:37.04 | Greyscale | Not I. |
| 23:37.27 | wyrm | ClassicLadder how package for a Debian |
| 23:37.28 | karsten | !tel wyrm about polls |
| 23:37.30 | Acu | Suprano: tough to understand what exactly you want - however I suppose you know where to make the changes I think in /etc/X11 you can find a file called Xorg.conf there you define where and how the screens are aranged - some of the features can be changed by right click on the desktop on KDE and look at behavior --- for xorg - before you change it make a copy and name it Xorg_orig.conf (or something you remember in case that your changes screw |
| 23:37.31 | Acu | s the main one ) |
| 23:37.34 | karsten | !tell wyrm about ask |
| 23:37.51 | Greyscale | !tell Greyscale about ask |
| 23:37.57 | Greyscale | !tell Greyscale about polls |
| 23:37.57 | karsten | !es |
| 23:37.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:37.58 | karmatronic | karsten: are you a mean-on-purpose bot ? |
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| 23:38.00 | Suprano | i use ion3 :) |
| 23:38.05 | karsten | !tell Greyscale about self tell |
| 23:38.20 | karsten | karmatronic: You lose by playing. |
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| 23:38.28 | wyrm | i mean, i can' t compile this tools in my Debian |
| 23:38.44 | karsten | karmatronic: I'm a regular, in a day job, and you're annoying the piss out of me, which I'm trying really, really hard to ignore. |
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| 23:39.28 | karsten | karmatronic: You'll note there's 738 people in channel, who don't need to hear every last thing you think to say. |
| 23:39.34 | cmdln | whats the best way to upgrade my kernel to 2.6.21 on etch? |
| 23:39.41 | karsten | cmdln: aptitude |
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| 23:39.49 | Greyscale | karsten: is it even possible? |
| 23:40.00 | Greyscale | I was under the impression the current kernel for etch was .18? |
| 23:40.18 | karsten | Greyscale: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:40.19 | muszek | hi... for how long are Debian stable versions supported? I don't need a precise answer. |
| 23:40.24 | cmdln | it is, I tried installing the sid kernel and it wouldnt boot |
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| 23:40.36 | stew | muszek: 1 year or until the next stable is released, whichever is shorter |
| 23:40.38 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 23:40.40 | tuv | why would |
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| 23:40.42 | karsten | muszek: Roughly 18-24 months after newstable emerges. |
| 23:40.44 | Greyscale | muszek: practically until the end of time |
| 23:40.53 | karsten | muszek: About 3 years total from release |
| 23:41.00 | tuv | why would 'insmod' segfault with or without an argument? |
| 23:41.04 | stew | muszek: errr, one year after the next stable is released or until the stable after that |
| 23:41.09 | karsten | tuv: strace |
| 23:41.12 | muszek | stew, karsten, Greyscale: thanks :) |
| 23:41.13 | Greyscale | People are born and die in the time debian releases live |
| 23:41.21 | stew | muszek: like sarge which is now oldstable will be supported for one year from the time etch (the current stable) was released |
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| 23:41.52 | muszek | stew says 18-24, stew says 12... |
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| 23:42.17 | stew | muszek: etch will be supported for 1 year following the release of lenny, there is no way to predict when lenny (the current testing) will be released |
| 23:42.35 | tuv | karsten, i can't make sense of strace's output. last two lines: |
| 23:42.36 | tuv | brk(0) = 0x602000 |
| 23:42.36 | tuv | brk(0x623000) = 0x623000 |
| 23:42.56 | karsten | tuv: run strace, save to file, read back from end, look for error, pastebin if you can't sort it. |
| 23:43.38 | colkhis | my laptops native resolution is 1280x800, but it's set to 1280x768. I think it causes images to strach a little bit. how can I change resolution to 1200x800? |
| 23:43.38 | muszek | stew: thanks again |
| 23:43.39 | Fetrovsky | i'm trying to configure cups using the web interface |
| 23:43.39 | stew | muszek: if you want it from the horse's mouth: http://www.us.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan |
| 23:43.42 | Greyscale | what web interface, Fetrovsky? |
| 23:43.43 | Fetrovsky | what address should i give? http://hostname:631/ ? /ipp/? what? |
| 23:43.49 | _rui_ | my network card only works as eth1 instead of eth0, how i can change it? i only have 1 network card (attansic L1) |
| 23:43.52 | Fetrovsky | Greyscale: http://localhost:631/ |
| 23:43.59 | muszek | stew: I don't understand that expression, but thanks for the link :) |
| 23:44.07 | Greyscale | *clicks* WOW ITS AMAZING! |
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| 23:44.20 | Greyscale | Fetrovsky: I can't access anything on your machine, silly :P |
| 23:44.29 | brickbrite | karmatronic, for better or worse it's a windows box i am sshing from, so the client is putty. i'd need to set it on the server side. looking into keep_alive... |
| 23:44.35 | xand | Greyscale: that's THE cups web interface |
| 23:44.37 | Fetrovsky | Greyscale: you asked what interface :) |
| 23:44.50 | Greyscale | wait, what? CUPS comes WITH a webterface? |
| 23:44.51 | Fetrovsky | well the interface that I can have access to through that address |
| 23:44.52 | tuv | karsten, http://paste.debian.net/29829 |
| 23:45.07 | brickbrite | sshd_config:KeepAlive yes |
| 23:45.11 | brickbrite | i guess that isn't enough |
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| 23:45.26 | Greyscale | !rsync |
| 23:45.27 | dpkg | it has been said that rsync is a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 23:45.47 | xand | Greyscale: uhuh |
| 23:46.02 | Greyscale | Oo |
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| 23:46.12 | Fetrovsky | so what kind of address should i tell cups to use when looking for the remote printer? |
| 23:46.24 | Fetrovsky | the remote printer is on cups too |
| 23:46.26 | karmatronic | brickbrite: i think the keep_alive is a client option |
| 23:46.29 | Greyscale | the_ip_of_the_machine:port |
| 23:46.34 | karmatronic | brickbrite: yu dont need to set it on the server side |
| 23:46.42 | Fetrovsky | Greyscale: http:// or ipp:// ? |
| 23:46.51 | dogmeat | is coffee brewed at 8 am still drinkable at 5pm? |
| 23:46.55 | Greyscale | I have no idea. Probably the latter |
| 23:47.01 | Fetrovsky | hmm |
| 23:47.08 | Acu | I can you run a file.bat in linux ? |
| 23:47.08 | Greyscale | dogmeat: A) is it caffinated. B). ... |
| 23:47.14 | SlackRat | dogmeat, yes |
| 23:47.15 | Greyscale | if either of these, it is drinkable. |
| 23:47.34 | dogmeat | it was in my cup, and i just drank it |
| 23:47.43 | Greyscale | shudder? |
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| 23:47.56 | karmatronic | Acu: depends on what it contains |
| 23:47.56 | brickbrite | karmatronic, i hear you on that. i concluded that the ssh client (putty) isn't at fault because my connections to other machines don't die. the difference is in what machine i connect to... |
| 23:47.56 | brickbrite | does that make sense? |
| 23:48.12 | slacker403 | what package is it to get all the development toold or w/e gcc make etc ? |
| 23:48.18 | slacker403 | apt-get install build-essentials ? |
| 23:48.20 | dogmeat | had some additional particulate matter, but it still tasted ok, besides the fact it was cold and had a creepy film on top. |
| 23:48.25 | karmatronic | brickbrite: you mean it a network issue on the server side |
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| 23:49.49 | SlackRat | coffee has a halflife of up to three days, but it may form an oily residue on top |
| 23:49.49 | Acu | karmatronic: I am trying to run a java application maybe you can look at http://www.tm4.org/mev.html |
| 23:49.50 | dogmeat | SlackRat, after the half life period, does it being to cultivate ? |
| 23:49.50 | karmatronic | Acu: ok i looked at it ...so? |
| 23:49.50 | SlackRat | should said residue turn green , it is no longer potable |
| 23:49.51 | dogmeat | s/being/begin |
| 23:50.06 | SlackRat | sort of, it may mold over |
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| 23:51.25 | Acu | karmatronic: they provide one ziped file which is supposed to be good for all platforms - at the root of the directory there are two files tmev.sh and TMEV.bat - I tried to run them both as ./TMEV.bat and I get a bunch of errors - I know that bat works in windows |
| 23:51.49 | Acu | karmatronic: but I want to make it work in linux |
| 23:52.39 | slacker403 | hello ? |
| 23:52.43 | karmatronic | Acu: ok |
| 23:52.52 | slacker403 | is that what it is apt-get install build-essentials ? |
| 23:52.57 | slacker403 | i need gcc make |
| 23:53.04 | dwu | Yes. |
| 23:53.22 | dwu | 'lo. |
| 23:53.41 | slacker403 | is that right ? |
| 23:53.57 | dwu | "Yes." isn't hard to understand, is it? |
| 23:54.15 | slacker403 | you talking to me ? |
| 23:54.24 | dwu | ... oh, for fuck's sake. |
| 23:54.34 | slacker403 | Eclipser: Couldn't find package build-essentials |
| 23:54.37 | slacker403 | calm down man |
| 23:54.46 | xand | Acu: a bat file wont work in linux... (except maybe with wine)... it's a windows script |
| 23:54.49 | Caelum | karsten: the weird thing, it works if I do scp user@host1:file .; scp file user@host2:; but if I do it in one shot it fails |
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| 23:54.56 | Legality | Hi |
| 23:55.08 | Legality | I want to block one server from contacting our server |
| 23:55.11 | Acu | xand: I tried the tmev.sh file too |
| 23:55.13 | Legality | is this done via iptable? |
| 23:55.17 | karsten | Caelum: Wait: you're trying to copy *from* one remotehost *to* another? |
| 23:55.20 | karsten | Caelum: Not supported. |
| 23:55.37 | xand | Legality: i told you how yesterday |
| 23:56.04 | karsten | Legality: iptables. Or use a front-end: shorewall, etc. |
| 23:56.15 | xand | Acu: the .sh file is a linux script but it's in dos format... you need to use dos2unix or somethign to convert it |
| 23:56.36 | Legality | xand: yes, i remember, the drop command. Is it anyhows possible to paste the line once more? I got to go to sleep :/ |
| 23:56.46 | Legality | this time i will save the line |
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| 23:57.08 | dwu | Hrm, has build-essentials been replaces by something else? |
| 23:57.12 | dwu | Er, replaced. |
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| 23:57.25 | dwu | No, actually, I'm an idiot. |
| 23:57.32 | dwu | slacker403: apt-get install build-essential |
| 23:57.33 | karsten | dwu: s/ls/l/ |
| 23:57.41 | dwu | karsten: yeeeees :) |
| 23:57.46 | xand | Legality: iptables -A INPUT -s 1.2.3.4 -j DROP |
| 23:57.55 | karsten | dwu: ... or yeeeee! |
| 23:58.00 | dwu | No. |
| 23:58.37 | Legality | xand: ok, thanks a lot |
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| 23:59.21 | *** join/#debian Dekcarki (i=rico@port-ip-213-211-247-243.reverse.mdcc-fun.de) |
| 23:59.25 | karmatronic | Acu: i would suggest just running the tmev.sh script |
