| 00:00.27 | Acu | xand: thanks - I have the impulse to say that those people are idiots - but I know they are geniuses - so it makes me think of me... thanks - this dos2unix works |
| 00:00.56 | Acu | karmatronic: I just converted the file and it works |
| 00:00.57 | xand | Acu: well I'd agree... if they provide a linux script with dos line endings, that's pretty dumb ;) |
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| 00:01.16 | karmatronic | Acu: oh ok cool |
| 00:01.38 | Caelum | karsten: it's not? it pretends to be... oh well, I have a working zsh function to do it, so I'll just use that :) |
| 00:01.58 | karsten | Caelum: Not last time I checked. |
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| 00:04.46 | brickbrite | karmatronic, it is either a network issue on the way to my machine (router behavior?) or a characteristic of the sshd running there, i figure. KeepAlive is on, in the latter, so maybe it is the router. |
| 00:05.14 | karmatronic | brickbrite: problem is connection times out ? |
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| 00:06.12 | abrotman | ravenbird: beer me! |
| 00:06.16 | abrotman | bastard |
| 00:06.21 | abrotman | selfish bot |
| 00:06.26 | brickbrite | karmatronic, yes, my ssh sessions go away after some period of time |
| 00:06.41 | brickbrite | it's aggravating to keep logging back in... |
| 00:07.19 | abrotman | router that kills non-active connections ? |
| 00:07.27 | karmatronic | brickbrite: even if you re doing something ? |
| 00:07.34 | abrotman | aka 'idle' .. a word that escapes my brain sometimes :) |
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| 00:08.47 | brickbrite | karmatronic, nah, with activity it stays open. i have to go hit the arrow keys a couple of times an hour to avoid it closing. |
| 00:09.05 | brickbrite | abrotman, it's a good idea. i'll need to revise all the settings on the router, i suppose. |
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| 00:09.10 | fasta | Does Linux minimize the number of disk writes over time in some smart way? |
| 00:09.14 | brickbrite | i don't remember seeing this problem with outgoing connections, but... |
| 00:09.20 | fasta | Is there any way to do so? |
| 00:09.24 | simonrvn | @wb |
| 00:09.24 | abrotman | fasta: it depends |
| 00:09.25 | ravenbird | thanks, simonrvn. It's good to be back. |
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| 00:09.33 | Supaplex | brickbrite: man ssh, see TCPKeepAlive |
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| 00:10.02 | simonrvn | effing thing... some dumb perl module error... |
| 00:10.10 | fasta | abrotman: Essentially, I want to trade memory accesses for disk accesses. |
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| 00:10.36 | brickbrite | thanks Supaplex! i have KeepAlive in the config - will try TCPKeepAlive now... |
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| 00:11.01 | abrotman | fasta: uhm .. every modern OS i know of tries to put as much as possible in RAM |
| 00:11.05 | fasta | abrotman: So, file writes stay in memory until a significant size is reached and then it's written. |
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| 00:11.14 | karmatronic | brickbrite: that s what i told you before :( |
| 00:11.29 | karmatronic | brickbrite: you might also try ServerAliveInterval 60 in your .ssh/config |
| 00:11.42 | fasta | abrotman: AFAIK, when I write a program to write something to disk, everything is written to disk when the program terminates. |
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| 00:12.12 | brickbrite | karmatronic, you did, you told me to give it to the client. i misread this and thought it was talking about the server config file. geez... |
| 00:12.21 | Supaplex | fasta: some mount options can affect that. eg, sync. |
| 00:12.23 | Supaplex | !sync |
| 00:12.23 | dpkg | for monitor sync ranges and refresh rates, see http://monitorworld.com/monitors_home.html |
| 00:12.33 | abrotman | fasta: sure .. because your app closes the file ... |
| 00:13.20 | eldowan | what is the correct way to set the LANGUAGE and LC_ALL settings? is dpkg-reconfigure locale correct for this? |
| 00:13.30 | Supaplex | dpkg: sync is also man 1 sync, man mount (search for sync options). |
| 00:13.30 | dpkg | Supaplex: okay |
| 00:13.38 | eldowan | I'm getting perl warnings that they have the (unset) value |
| 00:14.06 | Supaplex | eldowan: LANG=C ~/bin/myscript |
| 00:14.18 | brickbrite | karmatronic, it looks like the TCPKeepAlive |
| 00:14.49 | eldowan | Supaplex: I'm sure this is supposed to make more sense to me than it does. Care to expand a little? |
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| 00:15.02 | brickbrite | karmatronic, it looks like the TCPKeepAlive "pings" used to check the connection are also available in the client as ServerAliveInternal. still, i'm not sure i care about those checks... though i am considering turning them off now |
| 00:15.02 | cafuego | So, boys and girls. I'm going to post advertising! Bad me! |
| 00:15.19 | abrotman | cafuego: you want a bride? |
| 00:15.36 | cafuego | abrotman: Not until I have a chat with my wife first |
| 00:15.57 | kenboo | eldowan, are you talking about system wide configuration? |
| 00:16.10 | kenboo | uh perl script. |
| 00:16.35 | eldowan | it was on a aptitude upgrade, and I got many many of those warnings |
| 00:16.38 | Supaplex | eldowan: it's how you preset env vars for a one time run. otherwise, set them normally, and export them. (run "help export" on the command line; man bash) |
| 00:16.47 | abrotman | cafuego: tell her that sharing is caring! |
| 00:17.14 | eldowan | Supaplex: think I got your message. Thanks. |
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| 00:18.06 | cafuego | Linux.conf.au 2008 - 2008.01.28-2008.02.02 - http://linux.conf.au/ |
| 00:18.16 | cafuego | submit your paper now :-) |
| 00:18.38 | Supaplex | eldowan: and "C" afaik, is just the super-legacy locale. (like c programs before i18n/i10n? *shrug*) |
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| 00:19.11 | Greyscale | how do I install network-manager? |
| 00:19.16 | abrotman | ops cafuego spamming!! |
| 00:19.25 | cafuego | abrotman: Yup, guilty |
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| 00:19.41 | stew | do does i kickban |
| 00:19.43 | cafuego | abrotman: But seeing as LCA hosts the Debian miniconf I guess it;'s sorta topical. |
| 00:19.45 | abrotman | cafuego: you forgot to advertise an irc channel .. |
| 00:20.00 | rainabba | After editing /boot/grub/menu.lst, is there another step I must take to apply the changes? |
| 00:20.10 | valdyn | rainabba: depends on the change |
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| 00:20.38 | rainabba | I'm changing the line "root (hd1,0)" to "root (hd0,0)" |
| 00:20.40 | predder | According to dpkg the non-us mirror is not required for post-woody releases. Why does it still exist? is it still updated/maintained? |
| 00:21.04 | rainabba | ... one of them anyhow |
| 00:21.08 | abrotman | predder: don't use it |
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| 00:21.30 | Supaplex | rainabba: update-grub > edit menu.lst (unless you customize something). and no, you don't need to run anything like lilo needs when menu.lst changes |
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| 00:23.33 | rainabba | Supaplex: Heh, that's what broke it to begin with. It keeps finding "root (hd1,0)", but if i reboot, I get an error and have to edit it to "root (0,0)" then hit b to boot. |
| 00:24.01 | Supaplex | rainabba: sounds like /boot/grub/device.map is wrong |
| 00:24.04 | Old_Fogie | Hi all, has there been an update to version 2.0.4 for iceweasel yet. I just did a fresh install (I'm new to debian) and want to make sure that I didnt do anything wrong. |
| 00:24.10 | Supaplex | rainabba: or /etc/mtab |
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| 00:24.48 | eldowan | rainabba: I had a problem similar to that some months ago. I don't remember what fixed it though. |
| 00:26.33 | Supaplex | Old_Fogie: is security in /etc/apt/sources.list ? if so, aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade makes you current. |
| 00:26.53 | Old_Fogie | I have this in their Supaplex "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib" |
| 00:27.08 | Old_Fogie | But I haven't seen any update for iceweasel yet. |
| 00:27.23 | abrotman | should there have been ? |
| 00:27.24 | SlackRat | just security stuff i think |
| 00:27.26 | Supaplex | you're using stable, you'll only see security updates, but the version number won't move much. |
| 00:27.32 | SlackRat | libsmb something was the last i saw |
| 00:27.35 | Supaplex | !info iceweasel etch |
| 00:27.38 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 8852 kB, Installed size: 26940 kB |
| 00:27.40 | Old_Fogie | yes I'm on stable 4.0 |
| 00:27.53 | Supaplex | !info iceweasel sid |
| 00:27.58 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 8851 kB, Installed size: 26936 kB |
| 00:28.27 | abrotman | Old_Fogie: right .. but should there have been security updates ? |
| 00:28.28 | Old_Fogie | OK, so the "is optional" does that mean any update to it is optional too? |
| 00:28.38 | Old_Fogie | yes |
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| 00:28.45 | Old_Fogie | mozilla.org cvs says so. |
| 00:28.45 | Supaplex | Old_Fogie: no. it means it's not part of the base install. |
| 00:28.59 | Old_Fogie | it is for me on kde debian install cd |
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| 00:29.20 | Old_Fogie | I'm pretty sure :D |
| 00:29.28 | Old_Fogie | it was standard issue on the kde iso |
| 00:29.42 | Supaplex | Old_Fogie: check bugs.debian.org/iceweasel security section. if it's a security issue, reportbug can file a security related bug report. |
| 00:30.09 | Supaplex | I would expect they're aware of it, but *shrug* I don't know. |
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| 00:30.26 | Old_Fogie | Supaplex, you give me a lot of credit to be abel to do that :D |
| 00:30.31 | Old_Fogie | i'm gonna check my iso now |
| 00:30.35 | Old_Fogie | see if it was in their. |
| 00:31.22 | fasta | Supaplex: I mount everything as default. I think sync is off by default. |
| 00:31.29 | eldowan | Just spreading a little Kudos. I'm still impressed with the ease of upgrading in debian. Great work devs for keeping [at least my end] a seamless process working great. |
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| 00:31.49 | Old_Fogie | Supaplex, yes Iceweasel web-browser is on my KDE debian 4.0 installation CD. |
| 00:31.50 | karmatronic | do they plan to put gnome 2.18 on lenny soon ? |
| 00:32.12 | Old_Fogie | Supaplex, so it did load in on me by default. |
| 00:32.14 | fasta | Are there even any devs in this channel, anyway? |
| 00:32.20 | fasta | I don't think so. |
| 00:32.21 | Supaplex | Old_Fogie: right, but "is optional" packages can be removed w/o harm to the system. |
| 00:32.27 | fasta | They went to another server. |
| 00:32.34 | Old_Fogie | Supaplex, yes, but how would one know that? |
| 00:32.39 | Supaplex | Old_Fogie: it's part of the desktop task, and some others |
| 00:32.46 | Decepticon | Supaplex is a real old game |
| 00:32.50 | Old_Fogie | Ok, and a newcomer would be aware of this how? |
| 00:32.58 | Supaplex | Old_Fogie: by asking for help? |
| 00:33.15 | eldowan | karmatronic: It looks as if 2.16 is in experimental, unless I'm looking in the completely wrong place... http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/meta-gnome2.html |
| 00:33.29 | Supaplex | Old_Fogie: also, if you remove a critical package, you'll have to type in a long confirmation phrase before you can just pull it out. :) |
| 00:33.42 | Supaplex | eg, libc :P |
| 00:33.49 | Old_Fogie | So let me get this straight, I need to go thru every file that I have on my system, see if it is "optional" or not and then confirm it to some master list of what is going to be maintained for security? |
| 00:33.54 | eldowan | I know it is an example, but why would someone want to remove libc? |
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| 00:34.25 | Supaplex | Old_Fogie: no. all packages are maintained in security for current releases. (and for a limited time one the recent oldstable) |
| 00:34.51 | Old_Fogie | So if all packages are maintained, shouldn't iceweasel be maintained then? |
| 00:35.00 | Supaplex | eldowan: stuff happens. |
| 00:35.17 | Supaplex | Old_Fogie: yes. what indication do you infer it is, or may not be? |
| 00:36.08 | Supaplex | Old_Fogie: take for instance the kernel. the stable etch kernel already has security/bug fixes from newer kernels. The version number only differs slightly. |
| 00:36.26 | Old_Fogie | from mozilla page: Release Date: May 30, 2007 http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html#firefox2.0.0.4 |
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| 00:37.15 | Old_Fogie | I guess my point is, it's near a week for mozilla update to come out in my mind from debian. Is there a list for pending? |
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| 00:37.40 | iturk | hi there friends is there any command line converter from dia to eps ? |
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| 00:38.10 | Supaplex | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427785 |
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| 00:39.32 | SlackRat | iturk, i dont know....maybe someone else does tho |
| 00:39.33 | abrotman | iturk: doesn't dia save as html or something? |
| 00:39.34 | abrotman | erm .. xml |
| 00:40.28 | Old_Fogie | Supaplex, did you make that? or was that someone else? |
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| 00:40.42 | Supaplex | that's someone else. I'm debian@foss.daxal.com |
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| 00:40.59 | Old_Fogie | oh ok. |
| 00:41.26 | Supaplex | abrotman: it's not spam if I never check the inbox huh? :) |
| 00:41.42 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:41.58 | Old_Fogie | So basically for something like this iceweasel update, if I do NOT see an update to it for a few days, then I should go and check the bug-log, see if it's there or not, and if not file one, sound correct? |
| 00:42.02 | Supaplex | I only check it when I care about one of my bug reports (eg, i'm impatient) |
| 00:42.03 | iturk | SlackRat, abrotman, each part of my question didnt you dont understand and if you dont know why are you answering ? |
| 00:42.22 | abrotman | iturk: huh ? |
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| 00:42.36 | Supaplex | Old_Fogie: personally I file them as soon as I'm aware of the situation |
| 00:42.45 | Old_Fogie | ok |
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| 00:42.49 | Arrick | hey all |
| 00:42.50 | Old_Fogie | ty Supaplex |
| 00:42.51 | SlackRat | to acknowledge your question, next time i ll make a point of ignoring your existence |
| 00:43.00 | SlackRat | happy now? |
| 00:43.05 | abrotman | iturk: eps is just PostScript right ? |
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| 00:43.20 | Arrick | I used to use webmin on a ubuntu install, but that isnt supported anymore, what can take the place and be as easy to use? |
| 00:43.24 | abrotman | iturk: so my question is what format actual dia files are |
| 00:43.30 | abrotman | Arrick: vim |
| 00:43.39 | abrotman | iturk: i haven't used dia in awhile |
| 00:43.42 | iturk | abrotman: .dia |
| 00:43.51 | abrotman | format .. not extension |
| 00:43.56 | Supaplex | Arrick: what's /etc/issue say? if it's not debian, you're in the wrong place. |
| 00:44.03 | Supaplex | !tell Arrick -about webmin |
| 00:44.05 | iturk | yes |
| 00:44.21 | iturk | abrotman: in that case i dont know |
| 00:44.39 | abrotman | so why are you asking? :) |
| 00:44.42 | Supaplex | humm I guess /etc/issue might say debian in some dunderhead child distros. *shrug* |
| 00:45.00 | iturk | but some how it's a convention to associate format with extension |
| 00:45.12 | SlackRat | lol @ dunderhead child distros |
| 00:45.13 | Supaplex | iturk: why not look at the file format? |
| 00:45.48 | Arrick | Supaplex, I want to know something similiar that is secure, if someone has actually developed it |
| 00:45.49 | Marenz | is there a way to move an window/app from one DISPLAY to an other ? |
| 00:46.18 | Supaplex | Arrick: ssh+vim |
| 00:46.18 | matthew_ | drag it? |
| 00:46.19 | abrotman | iturk: so definitely not xml :) |
| 00:46.49 | cmdln | Marenz: I thought I saw some project that was working on being able to detach x windows and reattach elsewhere |
| 00:46.49 | abrotman | matthew_: to another DISPLAY? ..not viewport or desktop |
| 00:46.50 | Arrick | uhmm, Supaplex I dont have a gui, its a server install |
| 00:46.56 | matthew_ | oooooooooooh. k. |
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| 00:47.07 | Supaplex | Arrick: no shit! ssh and vim are COMMAND LINE based. |
| 00:47.08 | cmdln | Marenz: but .... cant remember the name |
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| 00:47.22 | matthew_ | GO AWAY TIME LIFE CLASSICS. I DO NOT WISH TO PURCHASE 7 LOVE SONG CD'S. |
| 00:47.37 | abrotman | wrong channel ? |
| 00:47.45 | abrotman | iturk: it's gzipped xml |
| 00:47.49 | SlackRat | wrong cds |
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| 00:48.19 | iturk | abrotman: The native Dia file format (extension .dia) is XML compressed with GZip. |
| 00:48.29 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 00:48.39 | SlackRat | ..... |
| 00:49.11 | Supaplex | ln -s my.dia my.xml.gz |
| 00:49.26 | iturk | abrotman: so my inicial question was there is any command line that converts dia files (xml compressed with gzip) into eps files ? |
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| 00:49.28 | abrotman | Supaplex: the question is then .. how do you get it to render outside of dia |
| 00:49.37 | abrotman | initial |
| 00:49.43 | abrotman | iturk: you have to get something else to render the xml |
| 00:49.58 | Supaplex | abrotman: you can export them to postscript |
| 00:50.05 | abrotman | iturk: oh wait .. man dia was SUPPPPPPPPER HELPFUL! |
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| 00:50.14 | Supaplex | it's been a while. I forget the gory details. |
| 00:50.26 | abrotman | iturk: dia --export-to-file=eps <yourfile> |
| 00:50.28 | LuiX | Hello... |
| 00:50.32 | LuiX | somebody that has used gl4java (OpenGL + Java) ?? |
| 00:50.33 | abrotman | erm .. export-to-format |
| 00:50.46 | iturk | abrotman: really a big failure from my part thanks !! |
| 00:50.48 | Supaplex | the horror of massive database schemas keep me from using it again. :p |
| 00:50.55 | abrotman | iturk: got it now ? |
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| 00:51.24 | abrotman | Supaplex: that's so creepy! |
| 00:51.36 | Supaplex | LuiX: is that for lg3d? |
| 00:52.08 | Supaplex | abrotman: check out freeside someday. it's in there somewhere. :) |
| 00:52.19 | abrotman | who what? |
| 00:52.32 | Supaplex | abrotman: www.sisd.com/freeside |
| 00:52.55 | abrotman | on how to get dia to eps ? |
| 00:53.09 | abrotman | Supaplex: dia -t eps file.dia |
| 00:53.26 | iturk | abrotman: yes thanks |
| 00:53.35 | Supaplex | abrotman: maybe. I forget :) |
| 00:53.44 | abrotman | Supaplex: i'm telling you :) |
| 00:53.52 | Supaplex | the man page cache in my brain has long since been wiped for that ;) |
| 00:53.56 | Greyscale | Bee arr bee |
| 00:53.57 | Supaplex | oh ok. :) |
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| 00:54.42 | LuiX | Supaplex, I have a problem with gl4java library when I executing my program |
| 00:54.58 | Supaplex | LuiX: that's too bad. |
| 00:55.03 | Supaplex | !tell LuiX -about smart questions |
| 00:55.18 | abrotman | dvs: you beg for java ? |
| 00:55.27 | dvs | yes |
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| 00:57.16 | Supaplex | LuiX: does opengl work ok? I assume java works ok to? |
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| 01:00.43 | xRainbows | hi! anbody know a useful faktura program |
| 01:01.00 | gonzaloaf | hi, is there any other app like kget but better? |
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| 01:02.01 | Op3r | does any know why I get E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 01:02.07 | Op3r | when installing mysql-server? |
| 01:02.56 | predder | there's a dpkg log somewhere.. did you check that? |
| 01:03.49 | Op3r | 2007-06-06 13:00:32 status half-configured mysql-server-5.0 5.0.32-7etch1 |
| 01:03.54 | Op3r | thats what it said |
| 01:03.54 | Op3r | :( |
| 01:03.58 | rainabba | When running apt-get install, i get the following error. I've seen this sort of error once before but don't fully understand what it means (looks like a version conflict to me), and how to properly resolve it. Anyone care to teach? :) "libcurl3-dev: Depends: libcurl3-openssl-dev (= 7.15.5-1) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 01:04.20 | SlackRat | what branch, etch? |
| 01:04.23 | rainabba | yes |
| 01:04.43 | Op3r | I was looking at google and it seems most of the people got problem like that |
| 01:04.43 | Op3r | :( |
| 01:05.59 | SlackRat | any solutions on google atm? |
| 01:06.20 | SlackRat | i write that off as a minor dependency hell..... :-P |
| 01:06.20 | Op3r | they said to just do apt-get -f install and apt-get upgrade |
| 01:06.31 | Op3r | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
| 01:06.34 | SlackRat | or you could do that if you need it |
| 01:06.39 | Guerin | Op3r: read the logs |
| 01:06.42 | Guerin | and check the BTS |
| 01:06.58 | Guerin | i recall someone who had this yesterday; forget if he fixed it or not |
| 01:06.59 | rainabba | SlackRat: You're asking me or Op3r (either of your last 2 questions)? |
| 01:07.11 | predder | Op3r, try dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 |
| 01:07.11 | Op3r | Guerin: reading it and all I can see was status half-configured mysql-server |
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| 01:07.32 | SlackRat | i wasnt asking anything....... |
| 01:07.36 | endra | Hello everybody |
| 01:07.40 | Guerin | Op3r: no, the ones in /var/log - mysql.* and syslog |
| 01:07.47 | SlackRat | if theres a pkg conflict i prefer not to force it |
| 01:07.48 | Op3r | this is the output /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: mysql-server-5.0 is broken or not fully installed |
| 01:07.56 | dvs | endra: Hi dr. nick |
| 01:07.56 | rainabba | <SlackRat> what branch, etch? |
| 01:08.09 | endra | dvs: How are you today |
| 01:08.29 | dvs | endra: bad. I'm here aren't I? ;-) |
| 01:08.31 | Op3r | Guerin: it contains nothing |
| 01:08.34 | SlackRat | even on etch......tho it happens much less obviously than the less stable branches, it does happen |
| 01:08.39 | endra | dvs: ah. |
| 01:08.44 | predder | Op3r, you can investigate the logs as Guerin suggested or first try and remove/purge the package, delete the .deb from your cache and re-download it |
| 01:09.04 | Guerin | predder: that won't doi anything |
| 01:09.07 | Guerin | this is a known problem |
| 01:09.14 | predder | oh, I didn't realise. |
| 01:09.20 | endra | I (of course) have a question. |
| 01:09.24 | Guerin | Op3r: what happens if you try to run /etc/init.d/mysql start; manually? |
| 01:09.34 | endra | How would I go about installing more than 4 partitions per disk? |
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| 01:09.51 | endra | I'm installing debian on my (brand spankin new) laptop, and I want to leave space for other linux distros. |
| 01:09.59 | SlackRat | make the others extended partitions |
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| 01:10.01 | Op3r | debian:/var/log# /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 01:10.02 | Op3r | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 01:10.21 | Guerin | Op3r: no new log output? What logfiles are you checking? |
| 01:10.25 | Op3r | non |
| 01:10.29 | abrotman | oh .. use pgsql :) |
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| 01:10.31 | predder | endra, you need to specify some partitions at least one as primary and then others as "logical" or "extended" |
| 01:10.37 | Op3r | I dont see any log output at mysql.err mysql.log |
| 01:10.54 | predder | /var/log/syslog? |
| 01:11.00 | tiiiam | my sound card isn't detected, any ideas for a quick fix? |
| 01:11.07 | dvs | endra: you probably have to partition the drive maually then. |
| 01:11.10 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 01:11.10 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is, like, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 01:11.29 | endra | I always do them the GUI manual way. |
| 01:11.34 | endra | Thank you, predder and dvs |
| 01:11.36 | Guerin | no, etch installer will happily do extended |
| 01:11.41 | tiiiam | abrotman: thx |
| 01:12.02 | predder | endra, I do my post installation partitioning with "cfdisk /dev/drive/" |
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| 01:12.22 | Op3r | hmm |
| 01:12.23 | Op3r | Jun 6 13:13:00 debian /etc/init.d/mysql[10860]: Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| 01:12.24 | Op3r | Jun 6 13:13:00 debian /etc/init.d/mysql[10860]: |
| 01:12.27 | Op3r | thats on the syslog |
| 01:12.36 | Guerin | Op3r: do so. |
| 01:12.44 | predder | ps auxf | grep mysql ? |
| 01:12.56 | Guerin | Op3r: oh, i mean - /etc/init.d/mysql-server start |
| 01:13.17 | endra | predder: ah. |
| 01:13.35 | Op3r | but debian:/var/log# ps auxf | grep mysql |
| 01:13.35 | Op3r | root 12130 0.0 0.0 3940 716 pts/0 S+ 13:16 0:00 \_ grep mysql |
| 01:13.40 | Op3r | ahhh |
| 01:13.53 | Op3r | installing is supposed to be easy because of apt-get i:( |
| 01:14.08 | Guerin | it *is* easy, but this is a *bug* |
| 01:14.09 | endra | Must I really put /boot on a different partition? |
| 01:14.17 | Guerin | Op3r: did you check the BTS yet? And if not, why not? |
| 01:14.22 | Guerin | endra: no. |
| 01:14.35 | idiot | i can upgrade kernel to the latest version using apt-get? |
| 01:14.35 | endra | Okay, is it .. recommended? |
| 01:14.39 | Guerin | endra: it is. |
| 01:14.46 | endra | Then I shall do it that way. |
| 01:14.52 | Guerin | idiot: use aptitude. Forget about apt-\get. |
| 01:15.01 | Op3r | whats BTS though, thats why I havent check it |
| 01:15.02 | Op3r | :( |
| 01:15.11 | unlink | why are environment variable all named in uppercase? |
| 01:15.11 | Guerin | !bts |
| 01:15.11 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 01:15.20 | Guerin | unlink: convention |
| 01:15.21 | idiot | Guerin: how in aptitude then? |
| 01:15.22 | cusco | Guerin: what's wrong with apt-get? |
| 01:16.19 | Guerin | cusco: it's not aptituide. |
| 01:16.19 | unlink | Guerin: ...duh |
| 01:16.19 | unlink | Guerin: why the convention |
| 01:16.19 | Guerin | idiot: aptitude update; aptitude search linux; aptitude install linux-image-you-want |
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| 01:16.20 | Guerin | unlink: nobody knows, that's why it's a convention ;) |
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| 01:16.20 | idiot | Guerin: ty |
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| 01:16.50 | idiot | Guerin: 2.6.18 is the latest? |
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| 01:17.22 | Guerin | idiot: `latest' is meaningless. It may be the latest in whatever branch of debian you have. |
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| 01:18.05 | Op3r | Guerin: nothing is on bts |
| 01:18.05 | Op3r | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=mysql-server-5.1 |
| 01:18.21 | Supaplex | !start a dbms war |
| 01:18.22 | dpkg | mssql is the most expensive dbms since yesterday! |
| 01:18.27 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 01:18.43 | Guerin | Op3r: mysql-server-5.0 |
| 01:18.53 | Mika-chan | Will running Bastille on a Debian desktop install cause any problems? Some of the questions Bastille asks are about changing permissions to system files. |
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| 01:19.33 | Guerin | Mika-chan: if you have to ask such questions, bastille is not for you. |
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| 01:19.51 | Guerin | same advice goes for selinux and grsec and other such `hardening' tools |
| 01:20.05 | purplepenguins | Isn't Bastille a poor name to choose for a security hardening software |
| 01:20.11 | Guerin | start simple; make sure your basics are solid before you go introducing features you don'ty understand |
| 01:20.22 | purplepenguins | considering it was taken over by the revolutionaries |
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| 01:20.51 | Guerin | purplepenguins: in most peoples' brains it just means `fortress' |
| 01:21.20 | waspius | how can i find a picture on my system named frak? and how can i add an application in my menu if it has not been entered on instalation? |
| 01:21.32 | gonzaloaf | whats the difference between the jdk 1.6 from the sun's page and the debian repos? |
| 01:21.39 | Op3r | ahhh |
| 01:21.50 | Mika-chan | I guess my other question then would be; Is a new Debian install secured by default? |
| 01:21.53 | Op3r | :( |
| 01:22.49 | davidL | can XFS partitions be reduced via LVM? |
| 01:24.02 | endra | Okay, I want to confirm a couple things with you guys about partitions. I have: #1 primary (40GB), #2 primary (40GB), both reserved (not currently used) for some other operating system (maybe xp/vista). Then I have #3 primary (4GB) swap, and then in logical I'll put 1) boot for distro #1, 2) / for distro #1, 3) boot for distro #2, and 4) / for distro #2 |
| 01:24.03 | Supaplex | davidL: any partition can, but there has to be tools that support the filesystem to. |
| 01:24.29 | endra | That would work, correct? |
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| 01:25.28 | dvs | endra: unless you have an old computer, you don't have to separate / and /boot. |
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| 01:26.22 | endra | dvs: I know, but it is recommended |
| 01:26.31 | dvs | endra: by who? |
| 01:26.42 | endra | By Guerin |
| 01:26.58 | dvs | endra: what does he know? ;-) |
| 01:27.08 | endra | More than I do probably :P |
| 01:27.20 | endra | Well, it's your word against his, anyone else want to comment? |
| 01:27.39 | endra | Not so many at a time please |
| 01:28.40 | endra | Hey, wait a sec. |
| 01:28.50 | endra | I can't have 2 /boot, that's just stupid.. then there will be 2 grubs |
| 01:29.08 | dondelelcaro | there's nothing stoping you from having multiple /boots |
| 01:29.11 | dvs | endra: no, grub would go in the MBR |
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| 01:29.29 | endra | the grub.conf file though would reside in /boot |
| 01:29.44 | rainabba | While installing python-crypto in etch, I'm getting an error with traceback. I'm seeing similar reports on Google but no resolutions. Anyone know how to deal? |
| 01:29.48 | dondelelcaro | it's menu.lst, and that's totally dependent on your grub setup. |
| 01:30.11 | dondelelcaro | you dictate which partition contains the menu.lst when you initially install grub into the mbr |
| 01:30.18 | davidL | Supaplex, according to an article on debian-administration.org XFS filesystems can not be decreased via LVM |
| 01:30.42 | endra | dondelelcaro: so, should I simply install 2 boots, and 2 roots? |
| 01:30.55 | Supaplex | davidL: that wasn't your question, initially. |
| 01:31.16 | Supaplex | davidL: my bad |
| 01:31.16 | dondelelcaro | endra: you can just use a single one of you want, but frankly even bothering to have multiple roots for different distributions is kind of silly |
| 01:31.28 | dondelelcaro | endra: just pick one distribution as the main, and install the others into chroots |
| 01:31.41 | endra | dondelelcaro: chroots? |
| 01:31.56 | davidL | wannabe jail |
| 01:32.13 | dondelelcaro | chroot() is part of jail() |
| 01:32.14 | endra | So every time I want to boot one up, I have to chroot into them... or? |
| 01:32.18 | Supaplex | davidL: lvm can resize anything. it's "filesystem" agnostic. lvm isn't the issue. resizing xfs is. |
| 01:32.25 | dondelelcaro | endra: well, what's your point for having multiple distributions? |
| 01:32.38 | Supaplex | davidL: pardon the poor communication. =) my fault. |
| 01:32.49 | dondelelcaro | !tell idiot -about away |
| 01:32.50 | Supaplex | !tell idiot -about away |
| 01:32.52 | endra | dondelelcaro: I like to experiment, so one for debian (main) and maybe one for gentoo, or ubuntu, o rsomething else |
| 01:33.04 | davidL | Supaplex, no worries, I understand what you mean |
| 01:33.05 | dondelelcaro | endra: so you can experiment in chroots fairly easily |
| 01:33.17 | endra | I'd like grub to ask me which operating systme to boot up though |
| 01:33.33 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; so use a single /boot with multiple kernels and multiple roots |
| 01:33.37 | endra | you know, never mind |
| 01:33.43 | endra | I have 2 primaries with 40GB in them each, it's all good |
| 01:33.52 | Supaplex | endra: grub even supports multiple menus, iirc. |
| 01:33.53 | dondelelcaro | seems kind of silly to me though, but it's your machine |
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| 01:34.39 | dvs | karsten: the world should be Debian? |
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| 01:35.44 | dylan_ | When booting, how does one remove processes from starting upon boot? (particularly, the X server) |
| 01:35.45 | dondelelcaro | there's a point to multi-booting when you need a test machine to run different types of operating systems, but there's little point to them when you're testing distributions |
| 01:35.50 | dondelelcaro | !nodm |
| 01:35.51 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 01:36.02 | dvs | dylan_: update-rc.d |
| 01:36.03 | karsten | dvs: There are better ways to provide for multi-environment support. |
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| 01:36.14 | dylan_ | dvs, thanks. i'll see if that works. |
| 01:36.16 | edju | Does fdisk x (expert mode), f (fix partition table) affect the data? |
| 01:36.21 | karsten | dvs: Remote access, virtualization, Xen, or, yes, TWWID. |
| 01:36.35 | dvs | !tell dylan_ about nodm |
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| 01:38.33 | dylan_ | dvs, hopefully, apt-get remove gdm will work on this gnewsense box, thanks |
| 01:40.13 | Old_Fogie | I have a question about the "current working directory" of root user. When I use "cd / && su -" enter the root pass, then type "mc" for midnight commander. Now let's I go to the /var/log directory in midnight commander. If I exit out of midnight commander, the root user is not put into the /var/log directory in xterm, but root is returned to the "/". Is there a way to exit midnight commander and exit to the CWD that I was in |
| 01:40.13 | Old_Fogie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:40.48 | endra | Do you guys have a list of packages that the boot cd 'laptop' template loads? |
| 01:40.55 | Old_Fogie | This happens for konsole too. |
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| 01:41.21 | troubledone | could someone help me with running x as a user - i tried to use both sux and the merge command and neither works |
| 01:41.23 | karsten | Old_Fogie: No. |
| 01:41.25 | Old_Fogie | On slackware root is dumped to whatever the last active directory was in midnight commander. so could this be acompile opiton.? |
| 01:41.41 | karsten | Old_Fogie: Not sure how that's happening. |
| 01:41.59 | Old_Fogie | I would think exiting midnight commander dumps me out to whereever I was in midnight commander. |
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| 01:42.25 | troubledone | Old it shouldnt be doing that - perhaps you should ask alan_hicks in #slakcware |
| 01:42.28 | parsonsd | Old_Fogie, sounds like midnight commander has an option somewhere that is diff between slack & deb |
| 01:42.33 | Old_Fogie | In slackware if I use "su" and NOT "su -" then i get the same issue as here in debian. But in salckware if I use "su -" then I do. |
| 01:42.40 | karsten | Old_Fogie: environment has to be set within a process. You can't inherit environment (including PWD) from child processes. Children inherit the parent's process. |
| 01:43.08 | tiiiam | the "alsa-base alsa-utils" line didn't do anything |
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| 01:43.11 | Old_Fogie | OK so I should compare how Pat V's buildscipt looks and maybe recompile my debian MC to do it like slackware does then? |
| 01:43.32 | Azar | Old_Fogie: 1. is called pwd: present working directory. 2. you access a program (mc) do your stuff there whatever, when you exit it you are where you were at when you called the program (mc). 3. to exit su: exit > to your user account |
| 01:43.54 | troubledone | does anyone have a solution to my X issue |
| 01:44.13 | abrotman | troubledone: what happens when they dont work ? |
| 01:44.28 | Old_Fogie | Azar, exactly that's how debian's MC works for me. Slackware's does not, and I like it the slackware way, but hmmm, could Slackware be wrong for this then ? |
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| 01:45.04 | troubledone | they fail silently and when i type startx asmy user account I get an error that the user account is not authorized to run X |
| 01:45.13 | abrotman | Old_Fogie: so mc doesn't exit to $CWD ? |
| 01:45.15 | parsonsd | still sounds like an application opton |
| 01:45.20 | parsonsd | er, option |
| 01:45.21 | Azar | Old_Fogie: never used slackware, this is how debian works and it makes sense to me. mc will never move your initial position to another directory from where you were when you called the mc |
| 01:45.45 | troubledone | my root works right as rain , this is why i am thinking of permissions issues |
| 01:45.47 | Old_Fogie | Correct, mc in debian exits to wherever I was when I called 'mc'. In slackware, 'mc' exits to wherever I am in 'mc' |
| 01:45.57 | rainabba | While installing python-crypto in etch, I'm getting an error with traceback. I'm seeing similar reports on Google but no resolutions. Anyone know how to deal? |
| 01:46.56 | Azar | abrotman: he means he jumps directory within mc, when exits mc he is returned where he was. He wants when he exits mc to be where he jumped whitin mc |
| 01:46.56 | abrotman | troubledone: huh ? |
| 01:46.56 | abrotman | Azar: i got it |
| 01:46.56 | Guerin | rainabba: #python might know what to make of the traceback |
| 01:46.56 | Old_Fogie | Azar, yup you got it. |
| 01:46.56 | Old_Fogie | I find it conveniant as sometimes in mc |
| 01:46.56 | rainabba | Guerin: ty |
| 01:46.57 | Old_Fogie | there's something that are better to drop out really quick and do by hand |
| 01:47.08 | Guerin | Old_Fogie: that's why mc has a shell |
| 01:47.12 | parsonsd | i thought mc gave you a shell |
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| 01:47.18 | Guerin | i know people who never leave it |
| 01:47.19 | Azar | Old_Fogie: you do not need mc to jump directories: cd /etc cd /etc/apt > up to apt. Back to /: cd |
| 01:47.25 | karsten | Old_Fogie: Not sure. I'd like to confirm that that's what actually happens. I don't think it's possible frankly. |
| 01:47.42 | parsonsd | depending on your shell, you can pushd & popd |
| 01:47.43 | Supaplex | ahh the good ole days when I used mc. |
| 01:48.01 | Old_Fogie | heeh, yes I like mc alot even on my faster computers. |
| 01:48.16 | Old_Fogie | it rips thru those big directories like /usr/bin zZzZ in konqueror. |
| 01:48.18 | Azar | I played with mc for a while.. then got bored. I find it easy to surf on my own |
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| 01:48.30 | Supaplex | tab compltion > mc ;o) |
| 01:48.31 | Nemesis13 | well, ...hi... |
| 01:48.45 | Guerin | i find it good for deleting lots of files which can't be globbed |
| 01:48.49 | Old_Fogie | Yeah it's just a "thing" that I noticed differently between debian and slackware is all. There's plus / minus either way :D |
| 01:48.50 | Guerin | but I don't use it for much else |
| 01:49.11 | troubledone2 | when i try to use sux it downloaded and installed yet when i logged out of x and used su - to login as my regular user so that i could restart x as a regular user as opposed to a root user I got user is not authroized to run x |
| 01:49.12 | Nemesis13 | kinda strange such english-only chan... |
| 01:49.19 | Azar | Its good to have a snapshot of the tree... |
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| 01:49.36 | Guerin | Azar: like tree(1)? |
| 01:49.50 | Azar | Guerin: like xtree, ytree... :) |
| 01:50.22 | Op3r | Guerin: i found the solution to that blasted mysql problem. I edited my.cnf and commented the bind_address and installed it again |
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| 01:50.23 | Op3r | :) |
| 01:50.26 | troubledone2 | if anything seems unclear could someone provide a way to capture my input on a sort of clipboard in command line mode so that i can pastebin |
| 01:50.42 | Old_Fogie | Guerin, I also find mc really fast for moving a lot of files manually by hand over the lan too. Konqueror many times, calculates # of files size etc, and on old pc's takes long. By the time konqueror does it's "thinking" mc is already far along it's way. |
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| 01:50.50 | Guerin | troubledone2: you mean keyboard input? They call it an `editor' |
| 01:51.05 | Guerin | Old_Fogie: yep. |
| 01:51.12 | troubledone2 | I also wanted to capture system responses |
| 01:51.26 | Guerin | troubledone2: stop making up terminology and say what you mean |
| 01:51.35 | parsonsd | troubledone2 : try `script` |
| 01:51.36 | Azar | troubledone2: less <filename> shows you the content so you can copy and paste it somewhere |
| 01:51.36 | Supaplex | troubledone2: man script |
| 01:51.38 | Old_Fogie | OK well then I'll just live with it the way it is then. Just gotta change my way of thinking is all no biggie. |
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| 01:53.15 | Azar | Old_Fogie: you could locate the README file for mc and read it maybe there are some tips there |
| 01:53.50 | Old_Fogie | kk |
| 01:53.53 | troubledone2 | I need to have a user account that can run X so i can avoid running as root - seeing as i am having so much trouble with both doing it and explaining what is happening I need a way to demonstrate what i am doing and how the system is responding to me - if i log out of the root user x to use the command line I still need to somehow meet the stated requirments |
| 01:54.38 | abrotman | troubledone2: they have logs |
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| 01:54.58 | abrotman | troubledone2: how are you starting X ? with a DM or with startx ? |
| 01:55.04 | troubledone2 | startx |
| 01:55.09 | man_in_shack | this might sound like a stupid question, but how do you build a binary package from a deb-src package? :) |
| 01:55.32 | parsonsd | abrotman : what is "DM"? |
| 01:55.35 | abrotman | !dm |
| 01:55.35 | dpkg | DM means display manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 01:55.38 | Nemesis13 | display manager |
| 01:55.53 | parsonsd | abrotman , Nemesis13 : thanks. |
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| 01:56.00 | abrotman | troubledone2: so when you start X as a normal user with startx .. what happens ? |
| 01:56.05 | troubledone2 | startx as root works fine as a regular user it says that the user account does not have authorization to use x |
| 01:56.13 | Nemesis13 | abrotman: man startx |
| 01:56.16 | troubledone2 | even after i got sux |
| 01:56.18 | Old_Fogie | troubledone2, are you saying that you log-in at the shell as root, then later "su insert-username" and try and "startx" and it won't work. cuz if that's what you're trying to do you cant. |
| 01:56.20 | abrotman | Nemesis13: wtf |
| 01:56.31 | abrotman | troubledone2: sux has nothing to do with it |
| 01:56.49 | troubledone2 | oh that wont work |
| 01:56.49 | abrotman | troubledone2: look in .xsession-errors .. is there anything in there ? |
| 01:56.49 | Nemesis13 | abrotman: the manpage says which files r getting read *sry 4 the bad eng* |
| 01:56.52 | Azar | it should be the opposite: root should not have X access |
| 01:56.55 | abrotman | Nemesis13: i'm not asking |
| 01:57.09 | Nemesis13 | -.-" |
| 01:57.23 | Azar | Nemesis13: abrotman is the teacher here... |
| 01:57.31 | Nemesis13 | oh, okay... |
| 01:57.36 | gatho_d_ruah | Does gnome-btdownload comes in the etch with a problem when I download 2 torrents at same time? |
| 01:57.36 | Nemesis13 | sorry mr teacher |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | hot for teacher? |
| 01:57.48 | Azar | too hot for my guts too |
| 01:57.53 | rainabba | #python wasn't halpful and I've realized that I can't even apt-get remove the package. Here's the error: http://pastebin.ca/546426 |
| 01:58.01 | gatho_d_ruah | How can I fix it? |
| 01:58.10 | Nemesis13 | *quite much traffic here...* |
| 01:58.24 | troubledone2 | its all about the user not being authorized for x - let me try a system restart login as a regular user and see if x works |
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| 01:58.34 | Azar | gatho_d_ruah: hmm gnome, not many using it try #gnome? |
| 01:59.01 | gatho_d_ruah | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:59.14 | Supaplex | troubledone2: you don't look like you're logged into the console. "script" and screen have a way of doing that. |
| 01:59.17 | Azar | yah I would like to help but never used gnome |
| 01:59.41 | gatho_d_ruah | Azar:thanks... |
| 02:00.03 | Azar | gatho_d_ruah: cuz is too hard for me, sorry |
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| 02:01.39 | Spyro_boy | *cough* |
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| 02:03.43 | rainabba | now it seems that no matter what I try to apt-get install, the same error is coming up; as if apt-get has something queued up. Possible? How do I clean things up? |
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| 02:05.12 | twobitsprite | does anyone know of a free dynip type service? |
| 02:05.22 | litage|w | twobitsprite: search google |
| 02:05.22 | rainabba | dyndns.org |
| 02:05.49 | SlackRat | does it advise you what to do when the error comes up? |
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| 02:06.10 | rainabba | no, and it has in the past |
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| 02:07.01 | SlackRat | yeah, thats what i recall, ive been off debian for several months......... |
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| 02:07.15 | twobitsprite | rainabba: thanks |
| 02:07.46 | rainabba | SlackRat: Here's the complete command and error http://pastebin.ca/546473 |
| 02:07.51 | rainabba | twobitsprite: yw |
| 02:07.52 | SlackRat | see what happens if you fire up synaptic.....maybe itll prompt the right command to either exit, or fix the broken pkg....... |
| 02:08.25 | rainabba | trying now |
| 02:09.06 | SlackRat | see if anything shows up as broken |
| 02:09.16 | Spyro_boy | heh |
| 02:09.49 | Spyro_boy | Someone is going to stab me in the face for sure, but I can't seem to get yum to work properly. |
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| 02:10.06 | Supaplex | Spyro_boy: that's uh ... by design ;) |
| 02:10.16 | SlackRat | yum is in debian? my god, why? |
| 02:10.28 | Spyro_boy | SlackRat, new packages are in yum repos? |
| 02:10.50 | SlackRat | im still trying to figure out what yum is doing in debian.... |
| 02:10.51 | Spyro_boy | SlackRat, huh? You're a slackware user, right? |
| 02:10.55 | Supaplex | Spyro_boy: uhh you're not mixing distros are you? distro suicide? distro orgy? |
| 02:10.56 | SlackRat | yup |
| 02:11.06 | Spyro_boy | SlackRat, nice. I remember you from ##slackware. |
| 02:11.10 | Spyro_boy | I used to be a slackware user. |
| 02:11.18 | SlackRat | cross mating and mutating distros |
| 02:11.22 | Spyro_boy | I switched to Debian for packaging. |
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| 02:11.43 | Supaplex | !pal yum |
| 02:11.46 | Spyro_boy | Supaplex, uh. Sure. I do own #orgy. |
| 02:11.56 | Spyro_boy | Supaplex, hahaha |
| 02:11.58 | SlackRat | i always like to have at least a debian box up for sheer volume of pkgs and packaging |
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| 02:11.59 | rainabba | I tried "Fix broken packes" even though the status bar says there are none. It said successful, but I still can't reinstall/remove libcurl3-dev. Same error. |
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| 02:12.41 | Spyro_boy | SlackRat, yeah. |
| 02:12.50 | Presently42 | How can I tess ant to use a different java environment? I think I need to use the -lib option. Is this so? |
| 02:12.52 | SlackRat | did you do that install -f rainabba? |
| 02:13.20 | Guerin | Presently42: #java? |
| 02:13.37 | rainabba | Yes, no difference. |
| 02:13.39 | rainabba | Heh, laught at yum all ya want, but my FC5 box has never, and isn't currently given me useless error messages when used yum. |
| 02:13.44 | Presently42 | Guerin: O dear. THat was rather obvious.... |
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| 02:13.50 | Presently42 | Cheers. |
| 02:13.52 | Spyro_boy | I want to solve this packaging feud someday with a system I theorize and call "Unified Packaging System". It'd organize and manage all packages from the largest repos. Slackware repos, Gentoo repos, Debian repos and RPM repos. |
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| 02:14.06 | Guerin | rainabba: what error? And what branch of debian? |
| 02:14.18 | Guerin | rainabba: and as for FC5 - do they support in-place upgrades yet? |
| 02:14.30 | rainabba | While installing python-crypto in etch, I'm getting an error with traceback. I'm seeing similar reports on Google but no resolutions. Anyone know how to deal? http://pastebin.ca/546473 |
| 02:14.44 | Guerin | if not, then they're still relegated to fisher-price my-first-OS status |
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| 02:14.47 | julian | can I connect to an AP using WPA2 with only iwconfig & ifconfig or do I need to use this wpa_supplicant??? |
| 02:15.01 | Guerin | julian: depends on your card |
| 02:15.28 | rainabba | Guerin: AFAIK, but I can't say for sure. I'm not neck-deep any anything but MS software. Wish I could say different most of the time, but that's just not where my career has led me. |
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| 02:16.05 | rainabba | Guerin: Nice way of putting it "Fisher Price...." |
| 02:16.05 | julian | Guerin, I see...well im in the ndiswrapper boat, driver seems ok, just has a high noise level and it says AP invalid |
| 02:16.05 | yoshio | rainabba: are you on unstable? there was a libcurl3 -> libcurl4 transition going on |
| 02:16.31 | Guerin | rainabba: those errors are python errors, not debian errors. To hazard a guess, I'd say some scripts are being executed by a fucked/wrong version of python |
| 02:16.52 | rainabba | yoshio: Still a bit too confused to answer that with confidence. As I understand, Etch is stable now, but I've been using what I know as Etch sinse it was unstable. |
| 02:17.28 | Guerin | rainabba: or the scripts are just badly written. Have a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-crypto.postinst |
| 02:17.32 | Guerin | or such like |
| 02:17.34 | julian | Guerin, my Signal Level=-256 dBm, that looks bad, shouldnt it be around -80 ? |
| 02:17.35 | rainabba | Guerin: So how do I wipe-out Python and start clean with current binaries? |
| 02:17.51 | Guerin | julian: 256 is always a suspicious number. |
| 02:18.02 | rainabba | Hell, even MS MSI packages can be forcefully wiped out :) |
| 02:18.05 | Guerin | rainabba: aptitude purge python might do it |
| 02:18.19 | julian | yeah base 2 to the max, so id think my ndiswrapper may have a probelm |
| 02:18.36 | julian | ill check that for a while |
| 02:18.50 | rainabba | Guerin: Looks like that made it somewhere, but I still see many errors along the way, looking deeper. |
| 02:18.51 | Guerin | julian: i'd be shocked, just shocked, to find that a dirty hack around a MS driver didn't work properly! |
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| 02:19.32 | julian | I feel your sarcasm. Im kinda like, of course this is my life |
| 02:19.42 | SlackRat | you might even swoon and faint |
| 02:19.49 | Guerin | i recommend ralink |
| 02:20.00 | Guerin | though the BSD driver is far superior to the linux one |
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| 02:21.00 | rainabba | Guerin: Check this out http://pastebin.ca/546498 |
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| 02:22.04 | SlackRat | SlackDeb? now im getting confused... :-P |
| 02:22.29 | SlackRat | Guerin , not on this lappy it aint....heh |
| 02:22.32 | Guerin | rainabba: ok, i think your problem is that you have mixed distros. Paste your sources.list and the output of apt-cache policy; |
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| 02:22.46 | Guerin | SlackRat: which what huh? |
| 02:23.00 | SlackRat | ralink drivers |
| 02:23.11 | SlackRat | no problems on debian |
| 02:23.18 | Guerin | SlackRat: problems in BSD? |
| 02:23.29 | rainabba | Guerin: http://pastebin.ca/546502 |
| 02:23.32 | SlackRat | yah, tends to disconnect alot |
| 02:23.47 | Guerin | SlackRat: in linux, the driver won't do master mode, and ad-hoc is limited to 11mbit |
| 02:23.52 | rainabba | Guerin: Oops, not complete sorry |
| 02:23.58 | Guerin | SlackRat: in openbsd it's full-rate and can do master just fine |
| 02:24.14 | SlackRat | ah, no im on freebsd |
| 02:24.24 | Supaplex | !ralink |
| 02:24.24 | dpkg | Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (For list of products: http://ralink.rapla.net/ ). Ralink are notable for releasing software interface specs and (more or less buggy) GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for rt2400 and rt2500. The Ralink driver project at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com is developing a very expected rt2x00 driver. |
| 02:24.39 | SlackRat | yeah, openbsd no doubt |
| 02:24.58 | rainabba | http://pastebin.ca/546506 |
| 02:25.15 | Supaplex | cool. I have some 2KM range rt2400 devices iirc. |
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| 02:26.07 | Guerin | Supaplex: not wihtout very non-standard aerials |
| 02:26.21 | Guerin | rainabba: what do you have installed from sid? |
| 02:26.37 | rainabba | Dunno if anything is. How do I check? |
| 02:26.58 | Supaplex | Guerin: they're about the size of a cereal box |
| 02:27.02 | endra | !ip3945 |
| 02:27.06 | endra | !ipw3945 |
| 02:27.06 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
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| 02:27.12 | Guerin | Supaplex: they would be. Cool. |
| 02:27.28 | endra | Okay, is there an updated command? |
| 02:28.52 | Guerin | rainabba: purge all the packages which are apparently broken in http://www.pastebin.ca/546498 |
| 02:28.53 | Supaplex | Guerin: I have some 100mb fiberoptic media converters on their way, so I can run these off a little amilda powered router (my custom kernel, nearly identical to debian) etc. fiber-optic makes sure lightning won't come down the pipe :) |
| 02:28.59 | Guerin | rainabba: plus python itself |
| 02:29.14 | Supaplex | if the station goes poof, well, it's better than half the house. :-x |
| 02:29.16 | Guerin | Supaplex: are those devces self-contained? |
| 02:29.26 | Supaplex | no, it's usb. |
| 02:29.30 | Guerin | Supaplex: as in, power supply, os, etc? |
| 02:29.42 | Guerin | oh, so you need a computer each. No daisy-chaining ;( |
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| 02:30.19 | Supaplex | I have routers that are openwrt-like that'll run em. |
| 02:30.26 | Supaplex | including 2 usb ports each |
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| 02:31.37 | rainabba | Guerin: When I try, the same Pyton error comes up |
| 02:32.10 | Guerin | rainabba: instead of accepting aptitude's solution, tell it `no' and it'll offer you another one |
| 02:32.25 | Guerin | rainabba: in principle it should eventually agree to remove the whole stinking lot |
| 02:32.36 | Guerin | rainabba: you could also do this with dpkg -P |
| 02:33.45 | rainabba | -P is --purge? |
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| 02:34.01 | rainabba | man dpkg doesn't have the pattern -P |
| 02:34.25 | cafuego | Really? Mine does. |
| 02:34.46 | cafuego | dpkg -r | --remove | -P | --purge package ... |
| 02:34.58 | rainabba | I type ?-P in man |
| 02:34.58 | cafuego | dpkg: shut up |
| 02:34.59 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 02:35.37 | cafuego | rainabba: ? searches backwards - from the top that searches exactly nothing. use /-P |
| 02:35.53 | rainabba | ahh, ty |
| 02:36.03 | rainabba | Only had that wrong for the last 6 years :) |
| 02:36.07 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 02:36.48 | concept10 | I like how zsh dispays the options for you when using shell commands, I hardly ever need to goto the man pages |
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| 02:38.45 | rainabba | I see that python-zopeinterface is giving me trouble also so I tried 'dpkg -P python-zopeinterface' and got http://www.pastebin.ca/546535 |
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| 02:39.32 | Supaplex | Guerin: my bad. it's a rt2570 |
| 02:41.16 | Guerin | Supaplex: they're the USB flavour, but apparently work much the same. |
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| 02:42.09 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:42.12 | Guerin | !test |
| 02:42.12 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 02:42.20 | Supaplex | they should do master mode, right? |
| 02:42.21 | Guerin | Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at www.pastebin.ca. |
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| 02:42.31 | Supaplex | try http://rafb.net/paste |
| 02:42.32 | Guerin | Supaplex: i haven't used that one in linux |
| 02:42.54 | Guerin | no www, just pastebin.ca |
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| 02:43.44 | Guerin | rainabba: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-zopeinterface.* |
| 02:43.51 | Guerin | rainabba: then try again |
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| 02:44.01 | Guerin | but man, do you have some fucked-upness going on here with python |
| 02:44.52 | abrotman | upedness ? |
| 02:44.58 | abrotman | uppedness ? |
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| 02:45.23 | Guerin | those also |
| 02:45.26 | abrotman | see .. this is how you can tell i'm from .us .. i'll stop at nothing to butcher english :) |
| 02:45.31 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:45.33 | SlackRat | no fucked upness is correct |
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| 02:46.08 | Supaplex | so it's fubar. |
| 02:46.27 | rainabba | Guerin: Had to do that with a few python packages and now I'm doing the purge for broken packages. Looks like things are moving now. Should I go back and install that same list of packages, or just pick them up as they are needed? |
| 02:47.12 | abrotman | is this a python-central problem ?> |
| 02:47.17 | rainabba | Hmm, deskbar-applet just threw a similar error. |
| 02:47.18 | Azar | I guess I am really stupid when a beloved application comes out with a new version and brags about great improvements, I read what's new and heck if I understand why would I need those.. |
| 02:47.24 | rainabba | abrotman: Dunno |
| 02:47.41 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 02:48.05 | rainabba | impact/conclusion? |
| 02:49.54 | rainabba | This purge is causing dependant packages to be removed too isn't it? Damn, will I even have a distro left after this? |
| 02:51.03 | Guerin | rainabba: you'll be warned in very strong terms before anything really important goes. When you think you're done,. do aptitude clean && aptitude -f install; |
| 02:51.07 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 02:51.10 | abrotman | python-central is messed ... |
| 02:51.23 | Guerin | aptitude clean && aptitude update && aptitude -f install; |
| 02:51.24 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/python-central |
| 02:51.32 | Azar | hehe I will enjoy true transparent windows of openbox in Etch! |
| 02:51.37 | Guerin | ok |
| 02:51.42 | Guerin | so just give up on python |
| 02:51.51 | Guerin | how the fuck does that happen in stable? |
| 02:52.04 | Guerin | mysql is fux0red as well, WTF |
| 02:52.44 | rainabba | I couldn't care less about Python, but I'm trying to get Xen 3.1 installed and following a step-by-step guide from XenSource |
| 02:53.12 | abrotman | it's not stable! |
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| 02:53.31 | rainabba | Xen 3.1? |
| 02:53.56 | Azar | rainabba: maybe the wrong tutorial? http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_etch_xen_3.1 |
| 02:54.20 | rainabba | http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_etch_xen_3.1_p2 |
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| 02:54.20 | rainabba | "apt-get install screen ssh debootstrap python python-twisted iproute bridge-utils libcurl3-dev libssl0.9.7" |
| 02:54.43 | Guerin | rainabba: if python is fux0red, it ain't going to work |
| 02:55.00 | Guerin | though the fux0red packages might be from security, so you can temporarily disable that repo |
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| 02:55.10 | Arrick | hey again all |
| 02:55.19 | Arrick | !tell Arrick about webmin |
| 02:55.24 | Azar | Guerin: what is python good at? |
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| 02:55.44 | Azar | Arrick: use /msg dpkg <question-s here> |
| 02:55.48 | Guerin | Azar: eating small mammals |
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| 02:55.53 | Azar | hahaha:) |
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| 02:55.56 | Guerin | and climbing trees, too |
| 02:56.00 | Arrick | thanks |
| 02:56.11 | Arrick | got it already though |
| 02:56.11 | Azar | well sorry I know is some language but what is done with it? |
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| 02:56.31 | Guerin | Azar: it's a scripting lasnguage that its fanboiz claim is a programming language |
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| 02:56.59 | Azar | aha! hehe ok... used to administer servers ? |
| 02:57.01 | endra | How can I tell debian about my wireless on/off key? |
| 02:57.02 | Guerin | Azar: they say it's like perl, only easier, and have an annoying habit of naming anything written int it py$APPNAME |
| 02:57.17 | Guerin | endra: it'll be an acpi thing |
| 02:57.18 | abrotman | Guerin: oh .. because k$APPNAME is sooo much better :) |
| 02:57.40 | Guerin | abrotman: right. and g$APPNAME and win$APPNAME and ... |
| 02:57.47 | abrotman | see! |
| 02:57.52 | Azar | :) |
| 02:58.02 | abrotman | Guerin: you forgot x$APPNAME |
| 02:58.15 | Guerin | abrotman: indeed I did |
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| 02:58.23 | Arrick | python is nice if youa re using someone elses precompiled bots |
| 02:58.28 | Arrick | other than that... |
| 02:58.28 | Azar | today doc changed the bandages on my feet, man the surgery looks so ugly! |
| 02:58.35 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:58.43 | Guerin | but those things are all to do with a particular environment ... python apps make it seem like it's actually relevant what language they're in |
| 02:58.56 | rainabba | With a 32bit OS, PAE isn't needed under 4GB of Ram right? |
| 02:58.57 | abrotman | well .. it is .. |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | wrong |
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| 02:59.15 | abrotman | !pae |
| 02:59.16 | Azar | Guerin: some kind of collection of scripts? |
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| 02:59.17 | Guerin | abrotman: not at all. |
| 02:59.17 | abrotman | argh .. |
| 02:59.27 | Guerin | Azar: wikipedia |
| 02:59.30 | abrotman | Guerin: you need PAE with less than 4gb |
| 02:59.35 | Azar | Guerin: yep good idea |
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| 02:59.53 | Guerin | abrotman: thanks for the information ... can you tell me what PAE is? |
| 02:59.59 | abrotman | argh!!! |
| 03:00.04 | abrotman | Physical Address Extension |
| 03:00.04 | Guerin | ;) |
| 03:00.15 | seppuka78 | allows for more addressing |
| 03:00.36 | abrotman | !pae is <reply>Physical Address Extension, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 03:00.36 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 03:00.41 | Guerin | oh ... like an extra line on the front of the envelope? Useful. |
| 03:00.51 | seppuka78 | sure |
| 03:00.53 | abrotman | Guerin: think of it like Address #2 :) |
| 03:00.59 | Guerin | awesome |
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| 03:01.14 | Guerin | i can have shit sent to it without re-validating? |
| 03:01.27 | seppuka78 | not for x86_64 systems btw |
| 03:01.55 | abrotman | rainabba: eh .. maybe .. i thought it was 1GB .. wikipedia says 4GB |
| 03:02.05 | rainabba | Ok then. ty |
| 03:02.21 | abrotman | it's 1GB for HIGHMEM or something |
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| 03:03.05 | seppuka78 | 4gb for sure |
| 03:03.06 | ArkoldThos | anyone know where the logs of mysql are saved? |
| 03:03.08 | seppuka78 | i can concure |
| 03:03.21 | seppuka78 | motherboard dependant I believe for windows platform |
| 03:03.43 | seppuka78 | not sure for nix |
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| 03:04.05 | seppuka78 | it allows you to address more than 4gb |
| 03:04.08 | Azar | hmm the code snippet example resembles C |
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| 03:06.00 | yoshio | ArkoldThos: /var/log/mysql |
| 03:06.25 | ArkoldThos | it don't generate nothing :s |
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| 03:08.22 | ArkoldThos | arkpc:/var/log# ls |
| 03:08.22 | ArkoldThos | arkpc:/var/log# |
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| 03:08.52 | ArkoldThos | a bit sad... Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 03:09.37 | seppuka78 | how'd you try and start it? |
| 03:10.17 | abrotman | set - |
| 03:10.18 | abrotman | set -x |
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| 03:16.08 | rainabba | After running grub-update I see my /boot/grub/menu.lst has been edited, but when I reboot, the changes aren't apparent. I think it's because I'm actually booting from another drive, like maybe /boot is being mounted to the wrong place. That make sense, sound reasonable? |
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| 03:19.08 | King_Brad | is there a command i can run like DF -h that will show memory useage instead of hdd useage? |
| 03:19.40 | Guerin | free? |
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| 03:19.52 | King_Brad | that works |
| 03:19.53 | King_Brad | thank u |
| 03:20.19 | helfrez | anyone have any idea how i can hard mount external usb drive and NOT end up with duplicate mass storage icons all over the gnome desktop |
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| 03:20.47 | Guerin | helfrez: don't use gnome -> problem solved |
| 03:20.58 | metbsd | use kde instead |
| 03:21.06 | helfrez | Guerin, very tru, using kde now, but thats not a fix for the issue lol |
| 03:21.12 | Guerin | sure it is |
| 03:21.19 | helfrez | thats a workaround, not a fix |
| 03:21.22 | Guerin | guaranteed 100% to not leave ANY icons on the gnome desktop |
| 03:21.50 | Guerin | the real solution is to turn off the stupid automounter thing |
| 03:22.09 | JerJer | i am trying to route a public ip address into an openvpn tunnel - on the machine providing the tunnel (vpn server) i set prerouting and postrouting DNAT/SNAT iptables rules - the packets make it to the machine at the other end of the tunnel - however the machine attempts to communicate directly with the IP address it received, versus talking back down the tunnel |
| 03:22.15 | Guerin | but if you're the sort who cares about icons, you're probably also the sort who doesn't want to mount things manually |
| 03:22.21 | helfrez | yeah im pretty sure volume manager is causing the prob, but then u loose other useful automounting lol |
| 03:22.44 | concept10 | dont use nautilus, use thunar |
| 03:22.57 | helfrez | haha the sort, interesting way to put it |
| 03:23.08 | JerJer | anyone know what i need to do on the tunnel machine to route back into the tunnel |
| 03:23.24 | helfrez | lol, a simple no i dont know would have sufficed |
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| 03:23.32 | Guerin | JerJer: sounds like #openvpn might know |
| 03:23.43 | helfrez | depends on the tunnel type |
| 03:23.44 | JerJer | i'm already in there |
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| 03:24.07 | JerJer | i figured peeps here might have more of a clue about iptables / routing |
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| 03:24.32 | JerJer | since this really isn't a tunnel issue ... its about properly routing the packets |
| 03:24.42 | helfrez | what type of tunnel you trying to setup |
| 03:24.53 | JerJer | openvpn |
| 03:24.57 | helfrez | openvpn does some packeting stuff though |
| 03:24.58 | JerJer | the tunnel works |
| 03:25.11 | helfrez | what type, like a roadwarrior type setup, or liek a static bridge, etc |
| 03:25.23 | JerJer | routed, i think |
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| 03:25.41 | en1gma | sup all |
| 03:26.57 | en1gma | im having a problem with sid (when i after i login in kdm) i get to the desktop (can hear the sound too) and then it quickly leaves X and im back at the login screen). its been like this for 3-4 days now....been atp-get dist-upgrade each day too |
| 03:27.05 | en1gma | anyone know what it might be |
| 03:27.27 | schme | Anything interesting in the X logs? |
| 03:27.52 | helfrez | .xsession file problems...or hoe folder permissions |
| 03:28.03 | helfrez | s/hoe/home/ |
| 03:28.15 | en1gma | well i havent really checked anything cause i figure maybe ill just wait it out) and it will get fixed but now its been about 4 days and i really missing debiab |
| 03:28.17 | en1gma | :}( |
| 03:28.32 | schme | en1gma: They might tell you the problem. |
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| 03:28.45 | en1gma | it could be beryl too...its about the time that beryl would auto load |
| 03:28.46 | schme | It would be horrible to be denied access to the hoe folder >< |
| 03:29.05 | JerJer | helfrez: thanks for trying to help, but i think i'm gonna give up for tonight... its pretty late |
| 03:29.10 | JerJer | sorry for buggin |
| 03:29.25 | en1gma | im not sure how to stop beryl from auto loading...let me goto #beryl and ask there then get that step out of the way first |
| 03:29.27 | helfrez | JerJer, sorry didnt catch ur last reply, routed? not sure what u meant by that but ok |
| 03:29.43 | helfrez | .kde/autostart? |
| 03:29.54 | JerJer | helfrez: the ethernet bridging option is commented out |
| 03:29.55 | helfrez | remove .beryl* files in home folder |
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| 03:30.26 | JerJer | unfortunately i inherited this config, so i really have no clue |
| 03:30.32 | helfrez | ahhh |
| 03:30.36 | helfrez | that sux |
| 03:31.05 | JerJer | i can get the public IP address into my tunnel, but the other end of the tunnel always tries to contact the source IP address directly |
| 03:31.51 | en1gma | helfrez ill reboot into single user and take a look thanks |
| 03:31.57 | helfrez | sorry, nvr really tried to use it for that, i mainly used it for roadwarrior vpn clients and network bridging |
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| 03:32.30 | en1gma | ok will do |
| 03:32.31 | en1gma | brb |
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| 03:39.31 | en1gma | yep it was beryl doing it |
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| 03:41.54 | hq | ls |
| 03:42.26 | vroomfondel | bin dev home lib media opt root srv tmp var |
| 03:42.26 | vroomfondel | boot etc initrd.img lost+found mnt proc sbin sys usr vmlinuz |
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| 03:58.31 | maximi89 | hi guys |
| 03:58.42 | maximi89 | how i can test a webcam with kopete¿? |
| 03:58.56 | maximi89 | because the kernel find this very good |
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| 03:58.59 | user1_ | what is that temp file to store host name -> ip address? |
| 03:59.04 | maximi89 | but in kopete i can't configure the webcam |
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| 03:59.18 | maximi89 | what can i do? |
| 03:59.32 | Guerin | user1_: there is no temp file for it; use /etc/hosts |
| 03:59.55 | Guerin | maximi89: use something other than kopete? |
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| 04:00.48 | bendover | i just installed debian etch, and install all the alsa packages, and after running alsaconf, it still wont work... any help? |
| 04:01.00 | bendover | it meaning the sound heh ^^ |
| 04:01.14 | Guerin | bendover: /msg dpkg alsa |
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| 04:02.44 | maximi89 | Guerin no |
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| 04:04.51 | bendover | Guerin: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp works but when i double click volume manager i get an error |
| 04:05.10 | Guerin | bendover: what does alsamixer say? |
| 04:05.31 | bendover | displays all levels at 74 |
| 04:05.42 | bendover | well, the first 3... |
| 04:05.50 | Guerin | good |
| 04:05.54 | Guerin | then alsa is working |
| 04:06.04 | Guerin | and whatever your retarded volume app is using isn't alsa |
| 04:06.24 | Guerin | you might want to consider loading snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss and trying again |
| 04:06.43 | bendover | iwill do that , thx |
| 04:07.18 | dwu | I AM SO HUNGRY |
| 04:07.22 | maximi89 | guys |
| 04:07.27 | maximi89 | who know ClassicLadder? |
| 04:07.39 | maximi89 | i need the package if it's possible |
| 04:08.16 | Guerin | with a side-serving of spam chips |
| 04:08.28 | Guerin | maximi89: google knows all and sees all |
| 04:08.53 | maximi89 | Guerin, google is a searcher, that can't find all |
| 04:08.57 | Guerin | sure it can |
| 04:09.06 | maximi89 | i know it can't |
| 04:09.07 | Guerin | if something exists, it's on google |
| 04:09.16 | maximi89 | only i can find the project web page |
| 04:09.25 | maximi89 | but with the source |
| 04:09.35 | Guerin | maximi89: contact the developer |
| 04:09.38 | stoned | hi |
| 04:09.42 | Guerin | gh |
| 04:09.44 | maximi89 | ok i will do |
| 04:09.51 | stoned | gh |
| 04:10.05 | bendover | Guerin: wont work :( |
| 04:10.33 | Guerin | bendover: well, then your volume control is busted. Might do with reconfigurating it to use alsamixer |
| 04:10.46 | stoned | that isn't a word |
| 04:10.49 | stoned | is it? |
| 04:10.52 | Guerin | sure it is |
| 04:10.52 | stoned | reconfigurating |
| 04:10.58 | Guerin | i just used it, now it's a word ;) |
| 04:11.03 | bendover | lol |
| 04:11.07 | stoned | word |
| 04:11.22 | Guerin | i dare you to say it's not perfectly cromulent! |
| 04:11.49 | bendover | Guerin: alsamixergui works too ... |
| 04:11.59 | Guerin | bendover: huzzah. |
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| 04:12.25 | bendover | Guerin: but the volume manager on the bar wont ... ? |
| 04:12.26 | en1gma | hey all im at a hardspot and i need some advice. |
| 04:12.34 | Guerin | bendover: so change it |
| 04:12.47 | Guerin | en1gma: just admit you were wrong. It's the easiest way for everyone. |
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| 04:12.59 | stoned | usually you can configure which thing the taskbar volume control controls, pcm, main, etc. etc. |
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| 04:13.25 | stoned | usually my xfce tasbar volume control is always set to the wrong one by default and never works until i set it to main or pcm or something |
| 04:13.38 | Guerin | i just use alsamixer |
| 04:13.46 | dwu | Guerin: Apaaaaaaam |
| 04:13.48 | Guerin | it works, every time, and I never have to configure it |
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| 04:13.57 | Guerin | but damn, I hate that `q' doesn't quit from it |
| 04:14.12 | stoned | I use kmix |
| 04:14.15 | en1gma | i have an amd64 x2 4200 processor.....i used to have debian sid amd64 installed but i ran into problems with java and flash.....now i have deb sid i386 installed and the amd64 kernel....someone from #nvidia helped me get my 8800grx working with the nvidia binaries x64 driver with ia32 libs and it worked great |
| 04:14.16 | stoned | its phat |
| 04:14.20 | dwu | Guerin: Fix it yourself! :) |
| 04:14.27 | Guerin | dwu: it's like paté de foie gras, only less fattening! |
| 04:14.27 | en1gma | now when i try to run a 3d app of anything i crash |
| 04:14.45 | dwu | Mmmmrmmm, foie gras. |
| 04:14.49 | Guerin | en1gma: solution: don't use nvidia |
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| 04:14.53 | en1gma | what do i do? go back to the debian amd64 or stay with i386 and try to figure out whats going on |
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| 04:16.01 | Guerin | i need to buy some more chopsticks, though |
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| 04:21.41 | Guerin | hurrah, my internet cap switched over today! |
| 04:21.59 | Guerin | i have 30 days to burn 40G ! |
| 04:22.00 | Guerin | well |
| 04:22.19 | Guerin | strictly speaking, 20G, but the upstairs never use their whole 20 |
| 04:22.37 | litage|w | Guerin: ewww how come you're with telstra? |
| 04:22.49 | cmacis | Where is that? Most operators have dropped download limits here. |
| 04:23.02 | litage|w | cmacis: Australia, mate |
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| 04:23.11 | Guerin | litage|w: because they're the only ones who don't have to buy bandwidth at retail rates from the upstream monopoly. |
| 04:23.24 | Guerin | cmacis: Nyu Zillun |
| 04:23.39 | cmacis | Heh, same problem here. There's about 2 companies that aren't renting lines from BT. |
| 04:23.52 | cmacis | No, they merged. |
| 04:23.54 | litage|w | Guerin: yeah but don't ISPs like InterNode and iiNet have better plans than telstra? |
| 04:24.04 | Guerin | litage|w: i'm not in Australia. |
| 04:24.13 | Guerin | litage|w: you should know this by now, ow. |
| 04:24.34 | litage|w | Guerin: a /whois on you says you're on telstra... |
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| 04:24.54 | Guerin | litage|w: hellstra expanded to NZ in about 1999 |
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| 04:24.58 | Guerin | maybe 98 |
| 04:25.00 | litage|w | Guerin: ahhhh |
| 04:25.12 | litage|w | Guerin: that was before i came to .au |
| 04:25.27 | Guerin | litage|w: they're an evil formerly-goivernment-owned monopoly, but they're better than OUR evil formerly-government-owned monopoly |
| 04:25.35 | litage|w | hah |
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| 04:26.28 | Guerin | oh man |
| 04:26.36 | Guerin | Bob Dylan tickets went on sale today |
| 04:26.41 | Guerin | i need to buy me some of that shit |
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| 04:26.54 | litage|w | he's still touring? |
| 04:26.55 | Guerin | get to see the old croaker before he croaks one last time |
| 04:27.01 | Guerin | litage|w: apparently so |
| 04:27.31 | litage|w | hahah |
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| 04:28.18 | litage|w | James Brown came to Toronto a couple of summers ago, and i was so stoked to see him. none of my friends could make it though, so i decided to leave it for another time. now he's dead! :( |
| 04:28.27 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:28.31 | Guerin | so not making that mistake |
| 04:28.36 | litage|w | niyet |
| 04:28.43 | Guerin | last time he played NZ was two weeks after I'd left the country |
| 04:28.55 | Guerin | i thought THAT was my last chance |
| 04:29.05 | stoned | I cussed out James Taylor |
| 04:29.10 | nvz | heh |
| 04:29.11 | stoned | when I was working for him |
| 04:29.19 | Guerin | then again, we did fly to tokyo for a weekend to see Nin and the Roots |
| 04:29.20 | stoned | he was standing right behind me, paying for my food |
| 04:29.26 | stoned | and um.. I didn't know and I was cussin him out |
| 04:29.37 | Guerin | stoned: heh |
| 04:30.02 | stoned | it was a few weeks after tool |
| 04:30.06 | stoned | I worked for tool also |
| 04:30.14 | stoned | however, taylor sold out, and tool didn't |
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| 04:30.22 | stoned | I had no idea who james taylor was before this show |
| 04:30.31 | stoned | i was like, damn, he sold out |
| 04:30.35 | nvz | heh |
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| 04:31.23 | nvz | stoned: and where was this? |
| 04:31.29 | stoned | Baton Rouge, LA |
| 04:31.34 | nvz | heh |
| 04:31.41 | nvz | no kidding? |
| 04:31.44 | stoned | I was a stagemanager and ops manager at the Centroplex |
| 04:31.51 | stoned | why would I lie? |
| 04:32.05 | stoned | I started off as a stagehand |
| 04:32.13 | stoned | doing tables chairs stages lights etc. |
| 04:32.15 | stoned | worked my way up |
| 04:32.34 | nvz | People in Baton Rouge, LA like James Taylor more than Tool.. imagine that. |
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| 04:32.48 | cmacis | I'm having a bit of trouble installing java. I'm following this guide: http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Debian_Java_JRE/JDK_installation_with_java-package but when I get to the command akeroot make-jpkg jdk-6u1-linux-i586.bin it gives this error: No matching plugin was found. |
| 04:32.54 | cmacis | Any ideas? |
| 04:33.05 | nvz | cmacis: are you using etch? |
| 04:33.29 | cmacis | I think so, I just installed yesterday |
| 04:33.31 | maxamillion | anyone know of a download source for a mezzo debian package? |
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| 04:34.19 | stoned | !mezzo |
| 04:34.25 | stoned | wtf is it? |
| 04:34.26 | nvz | cmacis: apt-cache search sun-java5 |
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| 04:34.42 | Guerin | maxamillion: google knows |
| 04:35.13 | maxamillion | stoned: its a desktop environment used in symphonyOS ... i was just curious what it has to offer |
| 04:35.20 | Guerin | !mezzo is yet another desktop environment - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mezzo_(desktop_environment) |
| 04:35.20 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 04:35.21 | maxamillion | Guerin: thanks |
| 04:35.38 | cmacis | right, that ran with no output |
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| 04:35.48 | Guerin | cmacis: no news is good news |
| 04:35.49 | endra | Hey |
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| 04:35.57 | endra | If I'm running 2 debian machines, how can I admin one from the other? |
| 04:36.05 | Guerin | endra: google ssh debian |
| 04:36.06 | endra | (by admin, I mean like remote admin, vnc, etc etc) |
| 04:36.06 | bitter- | endra: ssh? |
| 04:36.17 | bitter- | something weird just happened |
| 04:36.26 | endra | You farted and got a surprise? |
| 04:36.26 | Guerin | endra: don't use vnc or remote retardedness. Use ssh. It's likely already installed. |
| 04:36.44 | bitter- | endra: something better! |
| 04:36.53 | nvz | cmacis: you can apt-get any of sun-java5-bin sun-java5-demo sun-java5-doc sun-java5-fonts sun-java5-jdk sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin sun-java5-source |
| 04:37.01 | bitter- | i've been trying to figure out why my known-working atheros wifi card wouldn't work in etch |
| 04:37.17 | bitter- | i rebooted with it in the slot, and it works! |
| 04:37.17 | Guerin | nvz: is it in main yet? |
| 04:37.21 | bitter- | does that make sense? |
| 04:37.24 | Guerin | bitter-: winnar! |
| 04:37.33 | Guerin | bitter-: yours is not to reason why |
| 04:37.38 | maxamillion | Guerin: actually the only place i can find off google is a progeny server ... which doesn't exist anymore |
| 04:37.40 | bitter- | Guerin: haha |
| 04:37.46 | bitter- | Guerin: i also turned off ntpd |
| 04:37.52 | nvz | Guerin: says non-free |
| 04:37.55 | Guerin | maxamillion: guess you'll have to BTFS then |
| 04:37.56 | bitter- | *something* changed, and now it's working |
| 04:38.01 | stoned | btfs? |
| 04:38.06 | Guerin | !btfs |
| 04:38.11 | stoned | Guerin: you goddamn acronym whore |
| 04:38.19 | Guerin | !btfs is build the fucking source, duh |
| 04:38.19 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 04:38.33 | cmacis | couldn't find package sun-java5-bin |
| 04:38.45 | maxamillion | Guerin: but I'm lazy! ... :/ |
| 04:38.52 | nvz | cmacis: you may need to add non-free to your source in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:38.53 | endra | cmacis: nano /etc/apt/sources.list and add 'contrib non-free' to each one |
| 04:38.58 | maxamillion | Guerin: hell, i might just package it myself and host it somewhere |
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| 04:39.06 | maxamillion | Guerin: thanks anyways ... |
| 04:39.07 | maxamillion | laters |
| 04:39.19 | dwu | ... and he says he's lazy. |
| 04:39.21 | maxamillion | well .. wait, i don't have shit else to do ... i'll lurk |
| 04:39.21 | nvz | cmacis: only on your main debian mirror not any others |
| 04:39.36 | cmacis | Why just the main mirror? |
| 04:40.05 | nvz | well security and debian-multimedia for example it might not have a non-free |
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| 04:40.24 | bitter- | this is on my rockin 300mhz powerbook g3 |
| 04:40.28 | nvz | you just want the non-free and contrib from the official debian mirror |
| 04:40.29 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:40.51 | maxamillion | bitter-: that thing have wifi? |
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| 04:41.04 | bitter- | maxamillion: cardbus |
| 04:41.17 | bitter- | maxamillion: i'm using it now, outside :D |
| 04:41.26 | maxamillion | bitter-: nice |
| 04:41.51 | bitter- | maxamillion: another feature is no flash |
| 04:42.11 | maxamillion | bitter-: i run amd64, i am in the same situation |
| 04:42.44 | cmacis | Yay, 135mb of download. |
| 04:42.53 | bitter- | maxamillion: really? i thought there was flash for that arch. |
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| 04:43.45 | maxamillion | buu: nope, i just use gnash ... gives flash 7 support, but i can't watch youtube and it crashes iceweasel from time to time |
| 04:43.48 | sobersabre | hi. does anybody know what is relative size of the journal on XFS filesystem ? |
| 04:43.53 | maxamillion | bitter-: ^^ |
| 04:44.01 | maxamillion | bitter-: tab completion for the lose |
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| 04:45.36 | bitter- | maxamillion: i heard somewhere that the cvs version of gnash will play youtube |
| 04:45.55 | Guerin | maxamillion: there is a free flasg (libswf perhaps) which does youtube |
| 04:46.32 | maxamillion | Guerin: i think libswf is gnash |
| 04:46.42 | bitter- | which flash player is worth my time messing with on PPC? |
| 04:46.46 | maxamillion | bitter-: yeah, i heard they are supposed to have it working soon with full support |
| 04:46.50 | maxamillion | bitter-: gnash |
| 04:46.58 | maxamillion | bitter-: gnash is offered for ppc |
| 04:47.03 | bitter- | maxamillion: plays right in firefox and everything? |
| 04:47.24 | Guerin | maxamillion: oh, ok. I know there is one which does youtube in free software, so I guess it's one of the others. |
| 04:48.03 | maxamillion | bitter-: libflash-mozplugin is gnash to the best of my knowledge and its available in the repos for ppc |
| 04:48.08 | bitter- | i'd hate for flash to bog down my relatively snappy g3 |
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| 04:48.40 | slacker403 | how do i search for a file on my computer ? |
| 04:49.09 | maxamillion | slacker403: many many ways... you want a gui? |
| 04:49.16 | slacker403 | no |
| 04:49.17 | slacker403 | console |
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| 04:49.23 | slacker403 | im looking for this file |
| 04:49.24 | bitter- | i was just gonna say find . -name <name>, slacker403 |
| 04:49.30 | maxamillion | slacker403: find and whereis are both good |
| 04:49.36 | bitter- | er find / -name <name> |
| 04:49.40 | slacker403 | i am looking for a file name |
| 04:49.45 | Guerin | slacker403: locate badgers |
| 04:49.55 | Guerin | you may want updatedb && first |
| 04:50.37 | slacker403 | i am looking for a file called |
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| 04:50.43 | Guerin | we don't care |
| 04:50.47 | slacker403 | vhosts-.conf |
| 04:50.49 | Guerin | we told you how, now do it |
| 04:50.53 | slacker403 | i did |
| 04:50.56 | slacker403 | its not finidng anything |
| 04:51.02 | sobersabre | |
| 04:51.03 | slacker403 | find -name vhosts-.conf |
| 04:51.03 | sobersabre | |
| 04:51.09 | endra | !nvidia |
| 04:51.09 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 04:51.18 | maxamillion | slacker403: "find / -name vhosts-.conf" |
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| 04:51.21 | endra | !nvidia one-liner |
| 04:51.21 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 04:51.29 | endra | I'll stick to the site |
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| 04:51.34 | Guerin | slacker403: you did it wrong |
| 04:51.43 | bitter- | slacker403: look in /etc/httpd/conf.d |
| 04:52.36 | slacker403 | find: /proc/1: No such file or directory |
| 04:52.54 | Guerin | slacker403: man find |
| 04:53.05 | Guerin | slacker403: or perhaps follow the fucking instructions |
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| 04:53.25 | maxamillion | Guerin: you've been helping people in irc channels for too long my friend |
| 04:53.37 | maxamillion | Guerin: your patience has been spread thin |
| 04:53.47 | karsten | Guerin: This is the guy who can't read instructions and doesn't grok Debian 'coz he's been using Slack for years |
| 04:53.52 | Guerin | maxamillion: not at all. I am just very, very intolerant of stupidity. Always have been. |
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| 04:54.33 | karsten | Guerin: Then why do you like _me_ so much? |
| 04:54.47 | Guerin | now some things don't have ANY patience to cover them! |
| 04:55.01 | Guerin | karsten: because you're *silly*, not stupid. Huuuge difference. |
| 04:55.20 | karsten | Guerin: You should run for president. |
| 04:55.27 | karsten | Guerin: "It's the silly, stupid!" |
| 04:55.42 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:55.47 | maxamillion | Guerin: fair enough, don't get me wrong .... i understand, been a debian resident for over 7 years now |
| 04:55.50 | karsten | Anything I whould watch out for installing SW watchdog? |
| 04:55.57 | cmacis | I really should see which resolution I use in windows. This one isn't quite right. |
| 04:55.59 | maxamillion | Guerin: but i tend to be more tollerant to noobs |
| 04:56.15 | Guerin | karsten: never install anything with a name which sounds like a marketing department thought it up |
| 04:56.15 | karsten | Guerin: You _are_ a tad on the testy side. |
| 04:56.41 | Guerin | maxamillion: i AM tolerant toward noobs, if they're prepared to learn. slacker403 is neither a noob NOR prepared to learn, hence, no tolerance. |
| 04:56.54 | karsten | Guerin: You're familiar w/ what watchdog is, right? |
| 04:57.00 | Guerin | karsten: hell no ;) |
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| 04:57.08 | cmacis | Another teething problem: the touchpad is moving the cursor very little distance. Where do I set it up? |
| 04:57.13 | maxamillion | Guerin: ah... i was unaware, thank you for informing me on the situation :) |
| 04:57.21 | unlink | why doesn't networkmanager see my wireless card (but iwconfig and ifconfig do)? |
| 04:57.21 | karsten | Guerin: Tickles a file every ten seconds. If the file isn't tickled, the kernel reboots. |
| 04:57.30 | maxamillion | cmacis: what desktop environment you using? |
| 04:57.36 | cmacis | kde |
| 04:57.40 | dwu | ... |
| 04:57.45 | karsten | Guerin: Sort of a "recover this system in a circumstance of last resort" thing. Thinking of deploying it on servers here. |
| 04:57.54 | karsten | unlink: Cloak of invisibility! |
| 04:57.57 | Guerin | karsten: hm ... |
| 04:58.10 | Guerin | dwu: you'll have to fight Deb for the privilege! |
| 04:58.12 | dwu | No tickles! Reboot! |
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| 04:58.40 | maxamillion | cmacis: can't help you, i'm a xfce user |
| 04:58.40 | dwu | BING! |
| 04:58.47 | cmacis | kk |
| 04:58.56 | maxamillion | cmacis: probably in the kontrol panel or whatever they call it in kde-land |
| 04:59.01 | karsten | dwu: You must have that fastboot patch. |
| 04:59.02 | cmacis | I'm trying to use the mouse more anyway |
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| 04:59.16 | dwu | Sorry, back to being serious. |
| 04:59.39 | slacker403 | also cant figure out why my named is taking 2 + minutes to start |
| 04:59.54 | slacker403 | bind* |
| 05:00.04 | karsten | slacker403: daemon debugging: start in non-daemonized mode with verbosity turned up. |
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| 05:00.26 | slacker403 | it maybe looking for something |
| 05:00.32 | karsten | slacker403: Very likely a b0rked config file somewhere, proably something involving resolutions which is triggering its own timeout. |
| 05:00.42 | karsten | slacker403: A way out? |
| 05:00.44 | kamui | what is the command to find out the bluetooth mac address of visible devices near me? |
| 05:00.45 | cmacis | hmm, 6am is it late night snack or early breakfast if I grab something to eat now? |
| 05:00.45 | slacker403 | well it eventually stsrts up |
| 05:01.11 | cmacis | Argh, I knew about bluetooth when my device worked |
| 05:01.13 | slacker403 | cmeme: where do you live ? |
| 05:01.20 | cmacis | UK |
| 05:01.36 | karsten | cmacis: Its tea's *always* teatime. |
| 05:02.54 | cmacis | don't! It is one of the few things that worked when I was in ubuntu. |
| 05:02.59 | karsten | maxamillion: In general: apt-cache search bluetooth. |
| 05:03.08 | bitter- | i have ubuntu on my pc laptop |
| 05:03.17 | bitter- | it inspired me to try out debian again |
| 05:03.21 | maxamillion | karsten: no no, mine works ... i just don't like the technology |
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| 05:03.44 | maxamillion | bitter-: uhhh, i'll take it .... atleast you are using debian |
| 05:04.11 | bitter- | maxamillion: i prefer debian at this point |
| 05:04.31 | bitter- | maxamillion: ubuntu is great for a desktop that "just works", which was what i needed when i installed it |
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| 05:04.46 | bitter- | maxamillion: but debain is fantastic on this old powerbook |
| 05:05.07 | maxamillion | bitter-: well ubuntu is great for alot of things, but also horrible for alot of things ... i have very mixed feelings about the project |
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| 05:05.22 | maxamillion | bitter-: what desktop environment you using? |
| 05:05.33 | karsten | Hrm. Pulling mail via fetchmail from different locations. Any good way to ensure that what I d/l from one is available at the other? |
| 05:05.37 | bitter- | maxamillion: xfce right now |
| 05:05.39 | roxy_ | how long will it take for emacs 22 to make it into testing ? |
| 05:05.50 | karsten | bitter-: Drop it from a great height. |
| 05:05.51 | bitter- | maxamillion: i thought about moving over to wmaker or flux |
| 05:05.58 | dondelelcaro | !why is emacs22 not in testing |
| 05:05.58 | dpkg | emacs22 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=emacs22 |
| 05:06.02 | maxamillion | bitter-: good show :) ... i LOVE xfce on all my machines reguardless of hardware performance |
| 05:06.03 | dondelelcaro | roxy_: ^^^ |
| 05:06.05 | bitter- | karsten: har har |
| 05:06.08 | karsten | roxy_: unstable + 10 days - critical bugs. |
| 05:06.20 | bitter- | #debian-ppc is asleep |
| 05:06.24 | maxamillion | bitter-: wm, flux, or icewm would probably give you a little more speed |
| 05:06.41 | karsten | bitter-: if simonrvn is active, he plays with that sort of kit. |
| 05:06.43 | bitter- | maxamillion: maybe i can find some kernel things |
| 05:06.50 | maxamillion | bitter-: generally #debian-* is asleep ... i used to hang out in #debian-xfce but it was always quiet |
| 05:06.58 | karsten | bitter-: In general: use less memory, add more, tune disk for performance, run fewer apps. |
| 05:07.09 | bitter- | karsten: that's what i'm doing at the moment |
| 05:07.11 | roxy_ | karsten, dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 05:07.22 | dondelelcaro | bitter-: there's not much that you can do to make a g3 seem faster; just pick the applications you do run with care. |
| 05:07.38 | somian[0] | Anyone here know what the deal is with getting wine? WineHQ says that Debian (stable) is quite out of date and it has its own APT deb repo (says so at http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb) |
| 05:07.39 | karsten | bitter-: That's pretty much the drill. |
| 05:07.53 | karsten | bitter-: Use it as a dumb X client for a faster remote system. |
| 05:07.57 | somian[0] | But then, there's no GNUPG key that I can find |
| 05:08.13 | somian[0] | Oh crap, yes there is |
| 05:08.19 | bitter- | wow, xfce-terminal is a bit hoggy |
| 05:08.20 | somian[0] | Soryy, nm |
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| 05:08.39 | karsten | bitter-: rxvt or nvt are probably your lightest terminals. |
| 05:08.52 | endra | !alsa |
| 05:08.52 | dpkg | well, alsa is http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
| 05:09.01 | maxamillion | bitter-: you can use xdm or slim instead of gdm ... that's lighter, dunno how much perfomance it will save you but i believe gdm still lurks in ram after you login |
| 05:09.06 | endra | Alsa is what is recommended for debian sound, right? |
| 05:09.14 | endra | !alsa install |
| 05:09.14 | dpkg | somebody said alsa install was apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 05:09.50 | maxamillion | somian[0]: i don't see the issue with wine ... run the command they say, it will add the source to your sources.list and then just update && upgrade |
| 05:09.56 | bitter- | maxamillion: i'm not using any login mgr |
| 05:09.58 | bitter- | startx |
| 05:10.05 | maxamillion | somian[0]: or install wine, depending if you have it installed or not |
| 05:10.09 | maxamillion | bitter-: ah, even better |
| 05:10.30 | bitter- | maxamillion: what's the point? it's just me |
| 05:11.04 | somian[0] | maxamillion: heh, little laggy htere for sure |
| 05:11.12 | maxamillion | bitter-: i dunno ... i like the etch art on the new gdm, looks nice :) |
| 05:11.14 | bitter- | how light is ephiphany? i've never used it |
| 05:11.59 | maxamillion | bitter-: uhmm... not sure, i think it would pull in enough gnome-libs since you are running xfce that would make it roughly as slow as iceweasel |
| 05:12.04 | Guerin | whee, upgrading from etch to lenny |
| 05:12.04 | karsten | !tell endra about selftell |
| 05:12.09 | maxamillion | somian[0]: <3 coffee |
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| 05:12.19 | Guerin | hope this doesn't break deb's laptop, she'll hate me for evar |
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| 05:12.49 | maxamillion | Guerin: lemme know how that goes, i have been debating with myself on if i should do that or not ... i use to be "run stable on servers, testing on desktops" by rule .. but etch was so nice i just stuch with it |
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| 05:13.29 | bitter- | maxamillion: true |
| 05:13.38 | Guerin | maxamillion: i only bothered because I built a kernel with undervolt patches, and it needs a newer libc (because I built it on my sid box) |
| 05:13.41 | bitter- | maxamillion: apparently i can use a preemptible kernel on ppc |
| 05:13.58 | maxamillion | Guerin: ahhh, ok ... then i will probably stay put with etch |
| 05:15.19 | somian[0] | Yup, coffee's good, coffee is our friend :) |
| 05:15.38 | maxamillion | that it is |
| 05:16.03 | Guerin | coffee is ok |
| 05:16.10 | Guerin | tea is superior in almost every way |
| 05:16.33 | Guerin | the one way that it's not superior being in caffeine content ;) |
| 05:16.40 | maxamillion | Guerin: and BAWLS is even more superior in every way |
| 05:16.52 | Guerin | wtf is bawls? |
| 05:17.03 | maxamillion | OMG |
| 05:17.09 | bitter- | gahhh this friggin fan |
| 05:17.15 | bitter- | on, off, on, off |
| 05:17.51 | maxamillion | Guerin: http://www.bawls.com/ |
| 05:18.05 | bitter- | "dude, where do you keep your bawls???" |
| 05:18.20 | bitter- | mmm i have some laffy taffy inside |
| 05:18.21 | maxamillion | Guerin: they sponsor the CPL and other geek-fests ... basically, i stayed up for an entire weekend coding off this stuff |
| 05:18.52 | Guerin | maxamillion: sorry, dawg, carbonated fizzy nastiness isn't even in the same league as the drink of the ages |
| 05:19.11 | Guerin | maxamillion: genghis khan didn't conquer the known world on bawls, you know |
| 05:19.24 | maxamillion | Guerin: you'd have to try it ... its carbonation is hardly noticable |
| 05:19.36 | bitter- | it's overpriced sugarwater |
| 05:19.38 | maxamillion | Guerin: he would have if it had been available |
| 05:20.06 | Guerin | maxamillion: nope, because you can't carry enough bawls to keep an army going on the back of ponies ;) |
| 05:20.08 | maxamillion | bitter-: it kept me up for 48 hours ... i have yet to find another legal substance that can accomplish such a thing |
| 05:20.27 | Guerin | maxamillion: marketing hype is a substance, now? |
| 05:20.27 | maxamillion | ..... point Guerin |
| 05:20.35 | maxamillion | scoreboard please |
| 05:20.44 | maxamillion | Guerin: 1 maxamillion: - |
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| 05:21.16 | somian[0] | Oh dear, now, beverage wars aren't necessary ;) |
| 05:21.18 | Guerin | genghis khan: 23,600,000 |
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| 05:21.42 | karsten | Guerin: Nutshell summary of watchdog: |
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| 05:21.52 | karsten | Guerin: ... it turns your lovin' friendly Linux box ... |
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| 05:22.04 | somian[0] | There is plenty of room for tea drinkers, coffee drinkers and Bawls-abusers .... err, drinkers, in the world. |
| 05:22.06 | Guerin | karsten: into a rebooting competition? |
| 05:22.14 | karsten | Guerin: ... into a paranoid hypochondriac with suicidal tendencies on a one-minute trigger. |
| 05:22.16 | maxamillion | somian[0]: lol |
| 05:22.19 | Guerin | karsten: heh |
| 05:22.24 | Guerin | awesome |
| 05:22.33 | karsten | Guerin: Hopefully it only kills itself when it has to. |
| 05:22.35 | Guerin | it should be called emo-dog |
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| 05:23.22 | cmacis | Does linux need a firewall? |
| 05:23.22 | karsten | ;-) |
| 05:23.22 | maxamillion | cmacis: it has one built in |
| 05:23.22 | Guerin | cmacis: if you have to ask, no. |
| 05:23.22 | bitter- | sound worked well on this machine out of the box |
| 05:23.24 | maxamillion | cmacis: so ... technically it doesn't "need" one in the manner of adding one to it |
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| 05:23.34 | endra | Guys, I don't want to use this 'gij' for java.. it's retarded |
| 05:23.36 | karsten | cmacis: No. It has one though. Properly configured this can be helpful. Improperly configured we may find it amusing. |
| 05:23.42 | maxamillion | cmacis: sudo aptitude install firestarter |
| 05:23.46 | Guerin | endra: who's making you? |
| 05:23.47 | endra | I installed sun-java5-bin but whenever I install eclipse, 'gij' keeps coming back |
| 05:23.56 | maxamillion | cmacis: its a gui frontend for configuring the built in firewall |
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| 05:24.04 | maxamillion | cmacis: to keep it as simple as possible ... :) |
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| 05:24.19 | cmacis | yes, gui nice |
| 05:24.58 | arif | hello |
| 05:25.06 | maxamillion | cmacis: i do recommend you read up on iptables atleast for background knowledge |
| 05:25.10 | maxamillion | arif: hi |
| 05:25.15 | arif | he r u |
| 05:25.33 | arif | wait |
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| 05:26.50 | djfrost | can someone offer me some assistance with the background of the Debian Multimedia Project or point me to where that are people that could help? |
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| 05:29.01 | Guerin | yay, it appears the glue on back of the `Designed for Microsoft Windows XP' sticker is alcohol-soluble |
| 05:29.18 | karsten | Guerin: WC! |
| 05:29.28 | karsten | !marillat |
| 05:29.28 | dpkg | i guess debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 05:29.32 | karsten | djfrost: ^^ |
| 05:30.17 | maxamillion | Guerin: i take those off machines on campus and stick them to my spirals :P |
| 05:30.34 | bitter- | recommended hdparm settings anyone? |
| 05:30.35 | karsten | maxamillion: spirals? |
| 05:30.41 | karsten | bitter-: Good ones. |
| 05:31.01 | maxamillion | karsten: notebooks |
| 05:31.06 | maxamillion | for class* |
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| 05:31.18 | maxamillion | karsten: i'm in college |
| 05:31.19 | karsten | bitter-: Set using_dma on. hdparm itself usually comes up with good defaults. |
| 05:31.24 | bitter- | karsten: trying to find what i used before (gentoo) |
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| 05:31.32 | bitter- | karsten: yep got that one |
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| 05:31.47 | maxamillion | karsten: i don't right now, but in a few weeks i start a concurrent systems programming in C summer session |
| 05:31.48 | karsten | bitter-: 'hdparm /dev/hda' and pastebin. Note that for SATA IIRC it doesn' tapply. |
| 05:31.55 | djfrost | karsten, alright, but I mean, do you know if there is anything special to the Debian Multimedia project rather than say installing any other distribution and adding whatever packages I want? |
| 05:32.19 | karsten | bitter-: '|' is newline: |/dev/hda:| multcount = 0 (off)| IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit)| unmaski |
| 05:32.22 | karsten | rq = 0 (off)| using_dma = 1 (on)| keepsettings = 0 (off)| readonly = 0 (off)| readahead = 6144 (on)| geometry = 65535/16/63, sectors = 156301488, start = 0| |
| 05:32.25 | karsten | Feh. |
| 05:32.54 | karsten | djfrost: You may be running afoul of someone's idea of the law in the US. |
| 05:33.19 | furrywolf | fortunately, US law is so screwed up that no one pays attention to it. |
| 05:33.25 | Guerin | well |
| 05:33.35 | Guerin | that's not strictly the case |
| 05:33.47 | karsten | furrywolf: Don't tell the laywers. |
| 05:34.20 | Guerin | just because YOU don't, don't mean others don't |
| 05:34.34 | djfrost | karsten: and by that you mean...? |
| 05:34.48 | karsten | djfrost: What I say, usually, unless I don't. |
| 05:34.52 | xjkx | do u know how to set screen resolution on tightvncserver? I edited .vnc/xtartup and added something -geometry 1024x768 but didnt work :> |
| 05:35.11 | djfrost | karsten: you confuse me XD |
| 05:35.17 | Guerin | xjkx: maybe you need to negotiate with its union |
| 05:35.19 | furrywolf | Guerin: anyone who follows an unjust law is almost as guilty as those who created the law, and should be treated appropriately. |
| 05:35.25 | karsten | djfrost: debian-multimedia is largely devoted to MM codecs which have various encumberances in certain jurisdictions, notably the US, mostly patents. |
| 05:35.29 | karsten | djfrost: It's working. |
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| 05:35.34 | Guerin | furrywolf: who decides whether a law is just? |
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| 05:35.45 | xjkx | Guerin: "its union" ?? |
| 05:35.48 | furrywolf | everyone. |
| 05:35.48 | karsten | Guerin: The People! |
| 05:35.51 | djfrost | karsten: and if I happen to not live in the US? |
| 05:36.05 | Guerin | xjkx: yes. If it's taking industrial action, you should negotiate. |
| 05:36.07 | karsten | djfrost: Then I have an exciting business proposition for you. |
| 05:36.12 | Guerin | furrywolf: unilaterally? |
| 05:36.13 | furrywolf | xjkx: that was a joke... when employees don't work, it's usually because you need to argue with their union. :) |
| 05:36.17 | djfrost | karsten: hahaha, I see |
| 05:37.29 | dwu | furrywolf: Loads of people might think one law was just, and another group think it wasn't. Who decides then? |
| 05:37.38 | Guerin | dwu: the group with the most guns. |
| 05:37.52 | dwu | But I don't think guns are just, etc. :) |
| 05:38.02 | furrywolf | the group that can make the best logical argument as to why their case is correct. |
| 05:38.08 | Guerin | furrywolf: hahaha |
| 05:38.16 | karsten | dwu: The Decider. |
| 05:38.21 | furrywolf | failure to make a logical argument, such as any refference to religion, is automatically wrong. :) |
| 05:38.25 | dwu | ahahahahahah, logic, really. |
| 05:38.32 | Guerin | furrywolf: i'm a political scientist, and yet it's YOU who's the delusional ideologue... |
| 05:38.38 | karsten | dwu: Do you want to play a game? |
| 05:38.54 | dwu | See, the problem with logic is, what happens when the group with guns decides to stop listening? |
| 05:39.11 | furrywolf | Guerin: this is where eugenics is useful. :) |
| 05:39.15 | karsten | </war games> |
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| 05:39.16 | dwu | Guerin: I wanna by an ideologue. No, I wan tto be a synagogue - loads of jewish men in me! |
| 05:39.23 | karsten | dwu: Logically: start running. |
| 05:39.26 | Guerin | hah |
| 05:39.49 | dwu | Someone's gonna think eugenics isn't just, either. |
| 05:39.54 | Guerin | !nopony ponyofdeath |
| 05:39.54 | dpkg | ponyofdeath: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 05:40.24 | dwu | I mean, not -me-, because I believe in the culling of the human race by sentient robots, but hey. |
| 05:40.47 | Guerin | i just like the implication that eugenics can be the fruit of a rational argument |
| 05:40.57 | Guerin | that's the best bit of all |
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| 05:41.28 | dwu | Yeah, but robots are logical! Robotic eugenics! |
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| 05:41.44 | Guerin | dwu: you first |
| 05:41.49 | maxamillion | dwu: robots are a waste of time and resources |
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| 05:42.20 | dwu | Guerin: Only if I get to be a cyborg. |
| 05:42.26 | karsten | dwu: robots IS PEOPLE </soylent green> |
| 05:42.28 | vroomfondel | mankind has abused, misused and used faulty every thing that mankind has touched. so even if there were any positive aspect in eugenics, i believe in humans turning this into a big desaster by selecting the wrong criteria and so on |
| 05:42.31 | karsten | dwu: You're not? |
| 05:42.38 | artagnon | One of my computers is refusing to network. The installation CD was able to autostart network interfaces through. The network card is nForce onboard and lsmod tells me forcedeth.c is loaded |
| 05:42.41 | karsten | vroomfondel: Yathink? |
| 05:43.00 | dwu | !captain obvious vroomfondel? |
| 05:43.03 | artagnon | ifconfig -a gives me two devices: lo and eth2 |
| 05:43.04 | karsten | artagnon: Drill: media, card, link light, interface configuration, route, gateway forwarding. |
| 05:43.14 | karsten | !setup network |
| 05:43.15 | somian[0] | Most arguments about right and wrong have to come down to using religious *ideas* anyway. It's a agnostic dogma that you can get all the way to 'proving' something right or wrong without referencing anything religious. |
| 05:43.21 | furrywolf | I'd say we start with any person who has ever made any argument in which a diety or holy text was used as the basis of said argument. |
| 05:43.25 | artagnon | karsten, network light check |
| 05:43.33 | karsten | artagnon: Spare us the blow-by-blow. |
| 05:43.44 | artagnon | karsten, interface config: ifconfig -a lists eth2 |
| 05:43.45 | karsten | artagnon: .. but a good sign. |
| 05:43.45 | dwu | karsten: Not yet. I'm hoping, though. |
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| 05:43.58 | karsten | artagnon: pastebin that if you can (floppy or flash-drive it). |
| 05:44.01 | Guerin | somian[0]: that's jst because most philosophy was first documented in religion. But you're ultimately not wrong ;) |
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| 05:44.06 | artagnon | karsten, but that keeps varying for some reason |
| 05:44.15 | karsten | artagnon: Which? |
| 05:44.27 | Guerin | furrywolf: that would be everyone. |
| 05:44.28 | artagnon | karsten, the eth2 |
| 05:44.38 | artagnon | karsten, it keeps changing to eth3, 4 etc |
| 05:44.45 | artagnon | karsten, I don't know why |
| 05:44.49 | Guerin | furrywolf: most people (particularly the most virulent agnostics) tend to not ralise it. |
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| 05:44.54 | somian[0] | artagnon: do you mean that sometimes it is another device name, like "eth3" or "eth1"? |
| 05:45.02 | valdyn | artagnon: because its MAC keeps changing |
| 05:45.05 | dwu | Darn! |
| 05:45.07 | artagnon | karsten, pastebin with a flash drive... I don't have one that can network sorry |
| 05:45.10 | furrywolf | Guerin: no, more specifically, as in "because allah says you have to" or "because the bible says it is true" |
| 05:45.25 | artagnon | somian[0], there is exactly one network interface |
| 05:45.32 | artagnon | valdyn, how can that happen? |
| 05:45.41 | artagnon | valdyn, I thought MAC NEVER changes |
| 05:45.46 | valdyn | artagnon: read dmesg? |
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| 05:46.02 | artagnon | karsten, I don't mind typing out whatever is displayed painfully |
| 05:46.28 | Guerin | furrywolf: those are simply shorthand for a more involved discussion for which there is typically not time. If you ever want to get down to brass tacks with people who say those things, they tend to be quite prepared to talk at length about them. |
| 05:46.32 | artagnon | valdyn, dmesg | grep eth shows me information about forcedeth.c, nothing about eth* |
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| 05:46.38 | somian[0] | furrywolf: you don't know enough about religious or haven't talked with enough religious people. You've got a very narrow perception of what this labelling that you seem to be doing means. |
| 05:46.42 | artagnon | actually, it does |
| 05:46.58 | somian[0] | s/about religious/about religious people/ |
| 05:47.02 | Guerin | somian[0]: this is usual of computer geeks, who think that knowledge is zeroes and ones. |
| 05:47.10 | furrywolf | or, rather, I' |
| 05:47.17 | furrywolf | ve had to put up with way too many of them. |
| 05:47.21 | somian[0] | Guerin: yep, that's a tendency |
| 05:47.23 | artagnon | valdyn, eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01043:8234 bound to 00000:00:07.0 |
| 05:47.24 | dondelelcaro | please take the religious discussion to #religion or #debian-offtopic |
| 05:47.26 | stew | somian[0]: furrywolf: Guerin: please drop the off-topic conversation |
| 05:47.32 | Guerin | heh |
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| 05:47.57 | tiiiam | I can't get sound to work, and suggestions? |
| 05:48.01 | tiiiam | any |
| 05:48.06 | Guerin | tiiiam: /msg dpkg alsa |
| 05:48.14 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 05:48.14 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 05:48.35 | tiiiam | alright, it appears not to be detected, so there's no sound |
| 05:48.38 | somian[0] | furrywolf: your karma has been to meet a certain kind. the buddhist doctrine of taking personal reponsibility for one's karma indicates that you'd serve yourself better by maintaining some humility about how much you think you know "the reality'. |
| 05:48.38 | Supaplex | tiiiam: give it a regular paycheck ;) |
| 05:48.41 | bitter- | goodnite all |
| 05:48.52 | bitter- | thanks! |
| 05:49.06 | Guerin | Supaplex: why pay it if it doesn't work? |
| 05:49.07 | somian[0] | I prefer the "is it sleeping with your girlfriend" one :-) |
| 05:49.12 | Supaplex | somian[0]: hi clueless. take the ot where it belongs. |
| 05:49.14 | furrywolf | speaking of debian and alsa... when I installed the current stable on someone's computer, it took me a good half hour to figure out it had no sound because both the alsa and oss modules were loaded at once... had to blacklist all the oss ones to make sound work. |
| 05:49.29 | somian[0] | What's your problem today, Supaplex? |
| 05:49.33 | Supaplex | Guerin: why work for free? |
| 05:49.37 | Guerin | furrywolf: that should have been fixed since etch - it did happen in sarge from time to time, however. |
| 05:49.42 | somian[0] | Wake up on the wrong side of the rock? |
| 05:49.44 | Guerin | Supaplex: first work. Then pay. |
| 05:49.48 | stew | somian[0]: please just drop it and stay on topic |
| 05:49.50 | Supaplex | somian[0]: 23:45 < dondelelcaro> please take the religious discussion to #religion or #debian-offtopic |
| 05:49.52 | valdyn | furrywolf: quite a feat to do this manually instead of installing linux-sound-base |
| 05:50.02 | furrywolf | I was then told, afterwards, that it's supposed to be configured automagically... but the package that was supposed to do it wasn't installed. |
| 05:50.04 | somian[0] | I've got no problem with that. |
| 05:50.11 | artagnon | valdyn, okay more specific: I can't ping my router: network unreachable |
| 05:50.21 | somian[0] | However a little less heavy-handed would be nice. This wasa group discussion. |
| 05:50.25 | Supaplex | somian[0]: pardon the "clueless" remark. |
| 05:50.27 | tarzeau | i've got this great software, any 0 day sponsors 'round? |
| 05:50.32 | karsten | Ok, random system reboots, already have pci=noacpi in GRUB, what else to disable acpi stuff? |
| 05:50.36 | furrywolf | why is a magically-make-things-work package not installed by default? :) |
| 05:50.37 | artagnon | valdyn, the network interface is simply not started |
| 05:50.38 | somian[0] | Thanks, I forgive you, Supaplex. |
| 05:50.43 | Supaplex | well, the group can mosey with the ot like dondelelcaro requested. |
| 05:50.50 | Stevie-O | furrywolf: then Linux would be too easy to use |
| 05:50.59 | valdyn | artagnon: sure, since its name keeps changing |
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| 05:51.19 | artagnon | valdyn, should I noapic since that happens? |
| 05:51.20 | furrywolf | karsten: what motherboard? |
| 05:51.22 | karsten | artagnon: Don't privmsg people w/o asking. |
| 05:51.29 | valdyn | artagnon: no |
| 05:51.37 | artagnon | karsten, sorry. I thought it was okay |
| 05:51.56 | artagnon | valdyn, in the installation I had to do that to start the installation though |
| 05:52.01 | karsten | artagnon: Don't do it again. I'd actually just crashed. |
| 05:52.25 | karsten | furrywolf: Thinkpad T30, demidecode says IBM baseboard: Product Name: 236687U |
| 05:52.34 | artagnon | karsten, I profusely apologise. It won't happen again |
| 05:52.44 | furrywolf | ok, those shouldn't have bad caps, which was going to be my suggestion. :) |
| 05:52.45 | artagnon | valdyn, my kernel DOES start with noapic |
| 05:52.51 | karsten | artagnon: Not a problem. Once is OK. Forget it now ;-) |
| 05:53.13 | valdyn | artagnon: this is unrelated to your nic changing macs |
| 05:53.22 | karsten | artagnon: Point being: If my system didn't come back, you'd be wasting your time. You're better posting to channel or pastebinning long diagnostics. |
| 05:53.29 | artagnon | valdyn, well, what should I look for? |
| 05:53.39 | karsten | furrywolf: Right, been there, not a bad suggestion. |
| 05:53.44 | valdyn | artagnon: a way to set your mac |
| 05:53.54 | valdyn | artagnon: bios maybe |
| 05:53.55 | karsten | furrywolf: This *only* happens on battery power, usually at ~30-20% remaining. |
| 05:54.05 | somian[0] | Because that's corrosive to what Free software stands for. |
| 05:54.06 | karsten | furrywolf: Which is why I suspect acpi etc. |
| 05:54.09 | furrywolf | karsten: hrmm, could well be a hardware problem... |
| 05:54.14 | artagnon | valdyn, okay. So I'll look in the BIOS for references to m network iface |
| 05:54.15 | Guerin | somian[0]: don't take it personal |
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| 05:54.23 | Stevie-O | now wait just a minnit |
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| 05:54.33 | Stevie-O | if it weren't for hiding personal agendas behind channel rules |
| 05:54.35 | nAgoHaK | hi all |
| 05:54.45 | nAgoHaK | when i try to boot from a net install cd |
| 05:54.48 | nAgoHaK | I get |
| 05:54.51 | Guerin | ... we'd all have to support gentoo! eew! |
| 05:54.53 | nAgoHaK | System halted |
| 05:54.59 | nAgoHaK | what's the problem ? |
| 05:55.19 | Guerin | nAgoHaK: try booting with acpi=off; or following the `special boot' instructions for the cd |
| 05:55.28 | furrywolf | karsten: seems a little odd that even an acpi problem would cause a reboot only on battery power and only below a certain charge... that seems more like a power supply issue. |
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| 05:55.34 | nAgoHaK | Guerin: thanks |
| 05:55.35 | artagnon | valdyn, nope. Nothing in the BIOS referring to my network device |
| 05:55.38 | karsten | furrywolf: Problem I'd run into earlier was that settings were keeping battery monitor from working properly. |
| 05:56.06 | karsten | furrywolf: I'm thinking some system state change was being triggered or something. That's pure guesswork / /dev/ass shit. |
| 05:56.22 | furrywolf | my old laptop always crashed if I used to high of cpu load when the battery read below 20%... all the lights would dim. :) |
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| 05:56.34 | furrywolf | s/used to/used too |
| 05:56.53 | artagnon | valdyn, I have no idea why the MAC changes |
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| 05:57.23 | endra | hey. My laptop sound isn't working, anyone want to help me out? |
| 05:57.33 | karsten | !sound |
| 05:57.33 | dpkg | from memory, sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 05:57.35 | endra | I have installed alsa-base, alsa-utils, I went to alsamixer and unmuted. |
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| 05:57.47 | artagnon | endra, apt-get install linux-sound-base |
| 05:57.52 | karsten | endra: System HW audio controls? |
| 05:58.00 | Guerin | Stevie-O: heh |
| 05:58.04 | somian[0] | heh heh |
| 05:58.09 | endra | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.11 | karsten | Stevie-O: Here's your drink. Shut up an play. |
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| 05:58.28 | Supaplex | microphone stuck in the headphone jack! ou eah. |
| 05:58.31 | karsten | endra: Those are the usuals. Might also try aumix and make sure your levels are up. |
| 05:58.35 | artagnon | !alsa-one-liner |
| 05:58.39 | karsten | endra: Any errors playing sound, or just no output? |
| 05:58.42 | mick_home | i'm curious as to why there are no war dialers included in debian (as far as apt-cache is showing me) |
| 05:58.46 | artagnon | !alsa one-liner |
| 05:58.46 | dpkg | hmm... alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 05:58.54 | endra | No output or errors |
| 05:58.58 | somian[0] | furrywolf: probably that was happening (dying at 20%) when your battery was out of calibration. |
| 05:59.01 | endra | I am using amarok to play. |
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| 05:59.09 | endra | artagnon: linux-sound-base? |
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| 05:59.21 | artagnon | endra, that should be installed with alsa, sorry |
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| 05:59.25 | furrywolf | somian[0]: quite possibly. I'm just noting its similarity to karsten's problem. |
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| 05:59.41 | cmacis | hi again, after that java install apt-get tries to install sun-java5-doc which fails install. Also synaptic isn't being recognised as a command, but apt-get tells me that it is the most recent version# |
| 05:59.53 | Guerin | endra: never test with amarok |
| 06:00.00 | Guerin | endra: /msg dpkg soundcheck |
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| 06:00.19 | artagnon | use mpg321 |
| 06:00.32 | karsten | Ah: acpi=off |
| 06:00.33 | somian[0] | cmacis: sounds bad, like some problem with the system. try rebooting, or at least ending the session and restarting? |
| 06:00.43 | cmacis | have just rebooted |
| 06:00.53 | somian[0] | :-( ... then i am out of ideas |
| 06:01.01 | endra | Guerin: I just did cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp and it said device or resource busy. |
| 06:01.01 | artagnon | valdyn, I just rebooted and the network iface is now eth3. I dunno what to do |
| 06:01.06 | endra | Guerin: what it means.. I have no idea? |
| 06:01.10 | metbsd | how do i scroll up in debian "more" |
| 06:01.18 | artagnon | bbiab |
| 06:01.20 | metbsd | fcking debian |
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| 06:01.42 | somian[0] | debian "more"? ... I seriously doubt it. |
| 06:02.01 | somian[0] | More like "more" as a symlink to "less". |
| 06:02.12 | furrywolf | just like you would in every other "more" program. and debian usually installs "less", which is even easier to use. |
| 06:02.24 | karsten | metbsd: You don't. |
| 06:02.37 | karsten | metbsd: more only pages foreward. Use less (or most). |
| 06:02.52 | metbsd | what.. |
| 06:03.08 | karsten | No, that's not supported. |
| 06:03.50 | metbsd | i'm reading a man page in debian, i can't scroll back a page? |
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| 06:04.53 | cmacis | pgup doesn't work? |
| 06:04.57 | somian[0] | I've never had trouble with it. |
| 06:05.13 | stew | metbsd: aptitude install less ; then try man again |
| 06:05.15 | metbsd | pgup does not work |
| 06:05.27 | somian[0] | And I also don't assume that the pager program being used under Debian is "more". |
| 06:05.28 | Guerin | less is more than more |
| 06:05.34 | Guerin | (etc.) |
| 06:05.55 | stew | i would assume that the pager program is more unless he explicitly installed something else |
| 06:06.18 | metbsd | why can't they put more, less, most in one command |
| 06:06.54 | furrywolf | metbsd: since debian usually uses "less", you can try pressing the "page up" key on your keyboard, or the up arrow, or b or ctrl-B or esc-b or or y or ctrl-y or ctrl-p or ctrl-k or ctrl-k or u or ctrl-U or any of the 27 or so other ways of scrolling in less. :) |
| 06:06.55 | stew | metbsd: they do, if you have all three installed, you can use "update-alternatives --config pager" to configure which is used by default by the command /usr/bin/pager and /usr/bin/sensible-pager |
| 06:07.17 | stew | furrywolf: by 'usually' you mean 'usually on systems where one has installed less' |
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| 06:07.54 | furrywolf | more still has b and ctrl-b, no? |
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| 06:09.22 | nAgoHaK | I've tried a lot of things but anyway I get |
| 06:09.28 | nAgoHaK | Uncompressing linux .. |
| 06:09.33 | nAgoHaK | ran out of input data |
| 06:09.39 | nAgoHaK | -- System halted |
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| 06:10.24 | furrywolf | sounds like either your bootloader is set up wrong, your kernel was compiled correctly, or the installation was interrupted somehow. |
| 06:10.34 | tiiiam | so I ran alsaconf ok, but when I ran alsamixer |
| 06:10.35 | nAgoHaK | nope |
| 06:10.41 | tiiiam | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 06:10.53 | nAgoHaK | furrywolf: I get this when booting from CD ... |
| 06:11.12 | furrywolf | nAgoHaK: sounds like the cd is bad, the cd was burned incorrectly, or your cd-rom drive is bad. |
| 06:11.13 | litage|w | if /var/local/backup/website/latest -> 2007-06-07_01:55 exists, why would this command exit successfully, but not modify the link's target?: /bin/ln -fs '2007-06-07_06:08' /var/local/backup/website/latest |
| 06:11.33 | nAgoHaK | furrywolf: ok ... I'll try another cd ) |
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| 06:15.23 | endra | Hey guys, im on my laptop now. |
| 06:16.28 | endra | So I stil can't get sound working. ive installed alsa-base and alsa-utils, unmuted/put volume up in alsamixer, setup kmix to double check, all is up and unmuted. I then added my user to 'audio' and rebooted the computer, but i still can't hear anything. |
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| 06:18.33 | predder | did you run the alsa config? |
| 06:18.41 | endra | Nope. |
| 06:18.47 | endra | should I have? |
| 06:18.48 | cmacis | kmix can be funny with the check buttons |
| 06:18.58 | predder | run sudo alsaconf |
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| 06:20.15 | endra | Okay, done |
| 06:20.22 | endra | Should I reboot? |
| 06:21.37 | endra | I'll go ahead and do that. thanks, brb |
| 06:21.49 | unisky | The Debian GNU/Linux 4.0_r0 Etch (amd64) (Release) will work on the intel core2duo (E4300), is it x86-64(EM64T)? |
| 06:22.08 | obnauticus | im on a new install of debian |
| 06:22.12 | obnauticus | i don't think i have the deb packages thing installed |
| 06:22.25 | somian[0] | APT, obnauticus ? |
| 06:22.39 | stew | unisky: yes |
| 06:22.43 | obnauticus | ya |
| 06:23.11 | obnauticus | nevermind somian[0] |
| 06:23.29 | unisky | thanks |
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| 06:24.48 | obnauticus | somian[0] |
| 06:24.50 | endra | Back (obviously). I still hear nothing from my speakers. |
| 06:24.52 | obnauticus | how do i search for package names? |
| 06:25.04 | endra | obnauticus: aptitude serach [string] |
| 06:25.10 | smcavoy_ | anyone know of a way to force a NIC driver to be eth0. right now I've got a debian 4.0 guest VM (vmware server) that loads the pcnet32 module and its assigned to eth1 instead of eth0 |
| 06:25.26 | obnauticus | thankyou endra |
| 06:25.35 | endra | No problem. |
| 06:25.37 | smcavoy_ | obnauticus, apt-cache search [string] works to :) |
| 06:25.59 | somian[0] | Weird sequence of similar issues to(local)night, eh |
| 06:26.16 | sep | smcavoy_, do you have anything in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 06:28.21 | endra | should OSS modules be unloaded? |
| 06:29.20 | metbsd | where does debian store startup script? |
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| 06:29.37 | endra | i think /etc/init.d/ for startup scripts |
| 06:31.04 | smcavoy_ | sep, I haven't altered anything in that file |
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| 06:31.28 | sep | smcavoy_, that's not what i asked |
| 06:32.06 | smcavoy_ | sep, there is stuff in there, for the firewire, via-rhine, forcedeth modules |
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| 06:37.24 | smcavoy_ | sep, thanks for the help. removing the existing configs solved it for one boot. I'm just unsure why it happened and how it can be prevented in the future |
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| 06:39.12 | endra | Anyone know any other reason why my sound won't work? Its an HDA-intel card. |
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| 06:40.24 | metbsd | anyone use rsync? |
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| 06:40.43 | metbsd | when to use rsync daemon mode ,and when not to? |
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| 06:42.38 | smcavoy_ | endra, you sure you have /dev/dsp or /dev/snd/pcm* files? if so, try running play [filename].wav |
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| 06:43.02 | smcavoy_ | endra, if it works without error perhaps you have a muted channel or are not using the right plug for the speakers |
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| 06:45.19 | endra | smcavoy_: yes, i have a dsp and a pcmC0D0c file in those locations. |
| 06:45.33 | endra | I tried sending data to /dev/dsp but it said the device was busy |
| 06:45.38 | endra | I dont know if that is an error or not. |
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| 06:46.32 | endra | wait, it works now. it just doesnt output anything |
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| 06:49.59 | nAgoHaK | I'm here again with my "System halt" problem |
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| 06:50.21 | nAgoHaK | I've tried to burn another cd ... and I get the same problem when booting from it |
| 06:51.40 | smcavoy_ | endra, so outputting a wave file to the pcmc0D0c file works? if so, check the mixer settings |
| 06:52.01 | endra | No, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp doesnt give me the error anymore |
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| 06:57.24 | rainabba | My grub boot menu is not matching what's in /boot/grub/menu.lst. I have 7 drives, some are /dev/sd* and some are /dev/hd*. I've done grub-install to all the drives that even COULD be booting (though in theory I know which one is based on the BIOS). What else can I try? |
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| 06:58.51 | aubade | Is there a way to list every file installed from a package? |
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| 06:59.12 | somian[0] | "grub-Hell: When boot loaders go bad" tonight on Lifetime |
| 06:59.33 | [murder] | can anybody help me ? =) |
| 07:00.28 | [murder] | when booting the net install cd I get"uncompressing Linux ... ran out of input data, --System halted." |
| 07:00.48 | rainabba | bad burn? |
| 07:00.52 | rainabba | or bad download? |
| 07:01.10 | rainabba | You check the MD5 hash on the download? |
| 07:01.40 | [murder] | nope |
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| 07:07.34 | endra | how can I tell aptitude to grab a version of alsa from experimental? |
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| 07:10.12 | samesame | endra: by editing your respositories in /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 07:10.17 | dawn_chorus | endra, you have to have the repository. aptitude install -t experimental alsa-utils . |
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| 07:10.46 | endra | well, i dont want to add the repo and then have it update my whole system to it.. |
| 07:10.58 | dawn_chorus | endra, not true. |
| 07:11.08 | endra | i do want that? |
| 07:11.10 | samesame | u can update the list but only install what u choose |
| 07:11.17 | endra | ah, how so? |
| 07:11.23 | samesame | apt-get update |
| 07:11.28 | samesame | then apt-get yourfile |
| 07:11.46 | endra | .. then next time i do upgrade, it will upgrade from experimental |
| 07:11.47 | samesame | then edit your sources.lst to how it was again and re-update it |
| 07:11.53 | endra | Oh. |
| 07:11.57 | endra | Won't it downgrade? |
| 07:12.02 | samesame | no |
| 07:12.31 | samesame | u are only installing one application from experimental then changing the sources.lst to how it was before |
| 07:12.51 | endra | ill do that now, sec. |
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| 07:14.21 | ak123 | anyone knows a tool for convert txt to pdf (not txt2pdf, this is not free) |
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| 07:15.49 | artagnon | Certain LVM logical volumes are marked 'not available' in the LV Status. How do I make it available to me? |
| 07:16.05 | endra | dawn_chorus: it is not working |
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| 07:16.36 | endra | dawn_chorus: i added lenny to sources, did aptitude update, aptitude install -t experimental alsa-utils alsa-base |
| 07:16.40 | endra | Correct? |
| 07:16.54 | dawn_chorus | endra, lenny is testing. |
| 07:16.54 | endra | wait, is lenny experimental? |
| 07:17.09 | dawn_chorus | endra, experimental is experimental. :) |
| 07:17.11 | endra | which is experimental? |
| 07:17.24 | endra | i see. so instead of 'etch', its 'experimental' in sources.list? |
| 07:17.24 | aubade | endra: Lenny is testing. |
| 07:18.24 | dawn_chorus | endra, yes. feeling experimental, huh? what you got going on? |
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| 07:18.41 | Guerin | never use experimental |
| 07:18.46 | Guerin | ever, for anything |
| 07:18.52 | endra | dawn_chorus: my sound isnt working, so #alsa told me to install experimental version of alsa. |
| 07:18.54 | dawn_chorus | that's what i'm thinking. :| |
| 07:18.57 | samesame | experimental = panic de kernel |
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| 07:19.01 | dawn_chorus | endra, don't do that. |
| 07:19.04 | Guerin | most of the time you'll just be lucky and it simply won't work |
| 07:19.08 | endra | .. but they said to do it |
| 07:19.12 | dawn_chorus | endra, what's the problem you got? |
| 07:19.19 | dawn_chorus | endra, don't listen to them, then. |
| 07:19.20 | endra | they said many bugs have been fixed for my card in experimental |
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| 07:19.28 | Guerin | but now and again it'll impregnate your cat and turn your refrigerator into a bong |
| 07:19.45 | Guerin | endra: what card? |
| 07:19.56 | endra | HDA-intel |
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| 07:20.04 | Guerin | endra: onboard? |
| 07:20.13 | endra | i believe so, it is a laptop |
| 07:20.19 | Guerin | ffs |
| 07:20.32 | Guerin | well, etch and experimental will very likely not work together |
| 07:20.42 | dwu | Heh. |
| 07:20.45 | Guerin | as in, if you install much, things will break horribly |
| 07:20.55 | Guerin | my advice is to buy a real sound card |
| 07:20.58 | endra | well, what do you suggest i do |
| 07:21.11 | endra | no :-/ |
| 07:21.13 | samesame | endra: sell your laptop on ebay and buy a thinkpad T60 |
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| 07:21.20 | endra | i just bought this shit on ebay |
| 07:21.30 | Guerin | !supported by |
| 07:21.30 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
| 07:22.01 | samesame | Thinkpad T60 + Debian Etch = :-D |
| 07:22.19 | tarzeau | samesame: heh |
| 07:22.28 | endra | many laptops are shipped with hda-intel. |
| 07:22.47 | dawn_chorus | endra, add a line to alsa-base. |
| 07:23.01 | endra | add a line to alsa-base? |
| 07:23.20 | samesame | endra: we have the solution to your problem but are not going to tell you :-p |
| 07:23.23 | dawn_chorus | endra, add "options snd-hda-intel position_fix=1 model=3stack" to "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base" |
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| 07:23.51 | Guerin | this is a far superior approach to fucking with experimental gear |
| 07:24.29 | endra | done, now what |
| 07:24.32 | endra | reboot? |
| 07:24.38 | tarzeau | Guerin: haha someone tries to use experimental with something different than sid? |
| 07:24.39 | g00se | tarzeau: got netbooted thanks. Problem that caused me to netboot resurfaced. Minutes away from having to install Ubuntu on server! |
| 07:24.43 | smcavoy_ | Anyone found a solution to the nagios2 packages removing the pid file on reload? |
| 07:24.49 | endra | tarzeau: yes can you believe that noob |
| 07:24.52 | dawn_chorus | endra, /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
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| 07:25.10 | dawn_chorus | endra, that might work. if not, reboot. |
| 07:25.13 | tarzeau | endra: http://noob.istheshit.net/ |
| 07:25.23 | tarzeau | g00se: hehe :) |
| 07:25.32 | tarzeau | smcavoy_: check BTS? |
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| 07:26.05 | g00se | To do with SATA and the installer. There's something broken i think |
| 07:26.09 | samesame | i wonder how debian etch would install on one of these: |
| 07:26.10 | samesame | http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/wa/RSLID?nnmm=browse&mco=578E9744&node=home/desktop/mac_pro |
| 07:26.35 | endra | im going to reboot, brb |
| 07:26.40 | dawn_chorus | k |
| 07:27.03 | tarzeau | samesame: i've had troubles with the latest intel macs and linux |
| 07:27.13 | tarzeau | samesame: just not worth the trouble, get and intel mac, run os x |
| 07:27.33 | tarzeau | samesame: btw we got one of those 8-core box here w/ 8 gig memory :) |
| 07:28.09 | samesame | nice, at home i dont want to use windows for multi-media applications like photoshop so instead im thinking of buying a mac and dual booting it with linux |
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| 07:28.31 | g00se | Is there any way of starting the Etch installer from a Live CD? |
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| 07:28.55 | tarzeau | g00se: not sure but live-helper livecds have that, no? |
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| 07:29.36 | endra | that did not work. |
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| 07:29.41 | samesame | i might keep my PC and buy a macbook laptop and dual boot that |
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| 07:29.47 | endra | Still.. no sound. |
| 07:29.54 | samesame | turn the volume up |
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| 07:30.10 | tarzeau | samesame: i've re-installed the mac mini at work 3 times with os x |
| 07:30.10 | samesame | turn off mute |
| 07:30.12 | g00se | Well thinking could boot Ubuntu as live and then start installer somehow. |
| 07:30.19 | tarzeau | samesame: because i was too n00b to get linux work on it |
| 07:30.33 | samesame | i see, there are plenty of wikis on getting it working |
| 07:30.43 | dawn_chorus | endra, unmute everything and then 'alsaconf'. |
| 07:30.44 | endra | samesame: volume is up, and it isnt muted |
| 07:30.50 | endra | ive already ran alsaconf.. twice |
| 07:30.57 | tarzeau | samesame: i hate bootcamp. and parallels's just too slow for me |
| 07:30.57 | samesame | http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 07:31.02 | tarzeau | samesame: i know about that one |
| 07:31.27 | samesame | endra: it looks like ebay for you then sir! |
| 07:31.35 | smcavoy_ | tarzeau, thanks there was a fix for it |
| 07:31.44 | dawn_chorus | endra, after adding the line to alsa-base? |
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| 07:31.54 | endra | samesame: no, looks like experimental for me :D |
| 07:32.01 | endra | dawn_chorus: trying it now. |
| 07:32.22 | g00se | The idea is that the installer could be driver-lite and the live CD will have loaded the correct ones already, but that could be faulty thinking |
| 07:33.01 | endra | dawn_chorus: no dice. |
| 07:33.40 | dawn_chorus | endra, the channels didn't re-mute, did they? |
| 07:33.56 | samesame | i guess macs are designed for mac os x |
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| 07:34.01 | endra | dawn_chorus: triple checked it, no. |
| 07:34.06 | tarzeau | samesame: yes of course |
| 07:34.12 | endra | They did go down to 77% instead of 100%. |
| 07:34.58 | samesame | i just hate the fact that i have a windows xp partition on my hard drive just so i can use quarkxpress, photoshop etc |
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| 07:35.09 | samesame | id much rather it be os x |
| 07:35.37 | niru_ | why debian is not adding splashy or bootsplash packages into cd |
| 07:35.42 | niru_ | example debian 4.0 cd |
| 07:35.46 | tarzeau | niru_: what for? |
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| 07:35.58 | tarzeau | niru_: it's not useful for anything, and makes debugging harder |
| 07:36.01 | dawn_chorus | endra, well ... i don't know. sorry. |
| 07:36.03 | tarzeau | niru_: you can do it, it's free software |
| 07:36.14 | tarzeau | niru_: ubuntu does so, go #ubuntu |
| 07:36.16 | niru_ | tarzeau, yup I know I can do it and I did it too |
| 07:36.29 | niru_ | tarzeau, but while putting in cd it does not work |
| 07:36.37 | tarzeau | niru_: so why ask for it in a user support channel? |
| 07:36.43 | tarzeau | niru_: so you failed to do it |
| 07:36.53 | tarzeau | niru_: if you wish it, make a wishlist bug, see !BTS |
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| 07:38.37 | samesame | If you had the choice of owning a MacBook or a Thinkpad T60 what would u choose? |
| 07:38.44 | tarzeau | samesame: mac for sure |
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| 07:39.00 | tarzeau | samesame: looks nice, runs nice, great quality, can run os ox. people say it's for gay people |
| 07:39.14 | samesame | would u dual boot it with debian? |
| 07:39.15 | tarzeau | samesame: ibm is no more, lenovo dropped a bit in quality |
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| 07:39.18 | tarzeau | samesame: definitely |
| 07:39.27 | tarzeau | samesame: i got an ibook g3 700 that i run debian on (ppc) |
| 07:39.52 | tarzeau | samesame: i'd be sad though if it didn't have nvidia graphics card -> no 3d gaming |
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| 07:40.07 | samesame | A Sexy Black MacBook Dual Booting OS X and Debian Etch sounds very nice! |
| 07:40.11 | tarzeau | samesame: i wouldn't take any other video card (ati's crap, intel performs like shit) |
| 07:40.19 | samesame | yes me too |
| 07:40.22 | tarzeau | samesame: yes, but then i hate laptop keyboards |
| 07:40.25 | samesame | geforce only |
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| 07:40.29 | tarzeau | samesame: they suck for playing games... like nethack |
| 07:40.40 | arif | HI |
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| 07:41.28 | arif | SAM |
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| 07:43.03 | samesame | the macbooks have: Intel GMA 950 graphics processor with 64MB of DDR2 SDRAM shared with main memory4 |
| 07:43.22 | samesame | but the macbook pros have: NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT |
| 07:43.35 | tarzeau | samesame: then macbook pro definitely |
| 07:43.36 | dawn_chorus | nice |
| 07:43.50 | Kevin` | hopefully one of the macbook pros with atheros wireless |
| 07:44.12 | samesame | i hate glossy screens on laptops yuk so another reason to go for macbook pro |
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| 07:44.31 | YanZh | someone can help a frog pease!! |
| 07:44.42 | dwu | The MacBooks' screens are actually shockingly pretty, but... <3 MBP. |
| 07:44.46 | tarzeau | YanZh: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/halp.jpg |
| 07:44.51 | tarzeau | YanZh: rly, we can't read mind |
| 07:45.12 | furrywolf | yeah, why are so many new laptops equipped with horribly shiny glossy screens that make sure you can see a reflection of everything else in the room clearer than you can see the screen itself? |
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| 07:45.40 | dwu | And also the MBPs just got Santa Rosa CPUs and awesome LED screens :) |
| 07:45.55 | artagnon | http://rafb.net/p/RE4PUz70.html << There seems to be some APIC problem. I can't boot without noapic |
| 07:46.38 | furrywolf | so use noapic. :) |
| 07:46.52 | artagnon | furrywolf: What's the issue? is my mobo faulty? |
| 07:47.47 | artagnon | there's another problem: my network iface's MAC changes every time I reboot |
| 07:47.47 | artagnon | this NIC is onbaord |
| 07:47.52 | furrywolf | your mac changes? |
| 07:47.53 | Kevin` | check dmesg for info |
| 07:47.59 | artagnon | furrywolf: yes |
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| 07:48.07 | furrywolf | randomly changing mac would be a new one to me. heh. |
| 07:48.07 | Kevin` | I remember that happening to someone because the chip was giving an invalid mac address |
| 07:48.21 | artagnon | Kevin`: I checked. The interface is up now |
| 07:48.29 | YanZh | 've got a little problem, my ubuntu does not configure my modules anymore. Like if it does not take what is in modprob.d. They are loaded with defaults option....and it does not work |
| 07:48.35 | artagnon | it's mapped to a different eth device every tiem |
| 07:48.38 | artagnon | *time |
| 07:48.41 | dwu | YanZh: #ubuntu. |
| 07:48.42 | Kevin` | artagnon you checked, and what? does it say anything? |
| 07:48.43 | artagnon | now it's eth5 |
| 07:48.48 | YanZh | sorry it's debian |
| 07:48.54 | dwu | ... sure it is. |
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| 07:49.19 | artagnon | Kevin`: it says eth0 uses forcedeth.c driver |
| 07:49.23 | artagnon | I already know that |
| 07:49.27 | furrywolf | artagnon: this is on debian? |
| 07:49.31 | Kevin` | artagnon to stop it from changing, go at /etc/udev/persistent-net-generator.rules with a hammer |
| 07:49.38 | tarzeau | YanZh: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 07:49.52 | Kevin` | artagnon so dmesg says nothing about why it chose a different mac address? |
| 07:50.07 | artagnon | Kevin: I don't think so. I grep'ed eth |
| 07:50.14 | YanZh | yeah i test stable, unstable and sid but when i install i don't know wich soft, it does not configure my module |
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| 07:50.24 | artagnon | Kevin`: Yeah, I looked at the file and it has the different MACs mapped to the different eth devices |
| 07:50.32 | artagnon | the udev file ie. |
| 07:50.38 | Kevin` | artagnon don't grep eth, just read through it |
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| 07:50.42 | artagnon | furrywolf: Yes, lenny |
| 07:50.55 | artagnon | Kevin`: Okay, I'll paste it for you too if you like |
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| 07:51.42 | endra | is libc6 important |
| 07:51.49 | dwu | Yes. |
| 07:51.49 | tarzeau | endra: yes |
| 07:51.59 | tarzeau | !qotd176 |
| 07:51.59 | dpkg | [qotd176] < raf256> Why debian devel decided to curse debian with constant farting out of the box? |
| 07:52.02 | endra | Aptitude just told me to type in 'Yes, do as I say!' lol |
| 07:52.19 | tarzeau | endra: and you typed that? |
| 07:52.25 | endra | it told me to :-/ |
| 07:52.26 | artagnon | Kevin`: How do I edit that udev config file to force the MAC to stop changing? |
| 07:52.29 | dwu | yeah, because you're trying to uninstall libc6! |
| 07:52.30 | tarzeau | lawl |
| 07:52.45 | dwu | And before that, it would tell you that libc6 was probably really, -really- important! |
| 07:52.52 | Kevin` | artagnon udev isn't changing the mac, udev is changing the interface name because the mac is changing |
| 07:52.55 | tarzeau | dwu: you think he can read? |
| 07:52.58 | cydork | endra: you changed the sources to unstable or something. didn't you?? |
| 07:52.59 | rainabba | When booting and in the grub menu, is there any way to tell what drives/partition/MBR was booted? |
| 07:53.03 | dwu | tarzeau: I dunno. |
| 07:53.03 | artagnon | Kevin`: yes, I understand |
| 07:53.07 | tarzeau | dwu: maybe we need symbols? |
| 07:53.11 | endra | cydork: experimental, yes |
| 07:53.19 | Kevin` | artagnon i'm assuming now that you actually read dmesg and didn't see any indication as of why it is changing? |
| 07:53.30 | Kevin` | the last person who asked was using the same driver and had a similar issue. |
| 07:53.34 | artagnon | Kevin`: I'm reading it. Hanf on a bit |
| 07:53.35 | cydork | endra: why?? why??? why???? |
| 07:53.37 | Kevin` | and it did say |
| 07:53.41 | artagnon | Kevin`: Okay |
| 07:53.43 | dwu | ... Ok, if you don't know if libc6 is important, you shouldn't be fucking using experimental. |
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| 07:53.48 | endra | cydork: alsa won't work :-/ |
| 07:53.49 | dwu | tarzeau: Back me up there ^^ |
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| 07:54.15 | cydork | endra: then you should have asked about that.. :) |
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| 07:54.41 | dwu | tarzeau: Little grunts and points! |
| 07:54.44 | artagnon | Kevin`: I redirected it to a file, how do I paste you the whole file? I don't have X installed yet |
| 07:54.46 | tarzeau | dwu: it's not our box :) |
| 07:54.58 | endra | cydork: I did.. no one can fix it :-/ |
| 07:55.01 | dwu | tarzeau: Well.... yeah, but you just know it'll be Debian's fault if he breaks his. |
| 07:55.11 | endra | cydork: so I went to #alsa, and he said to install the experimental version |
| 07:55.13 | artagnon | Kevin`: I'm not sure I can spot exactly what I want |
| 07:55.16 | Kevin` | artagnon dmesg |nc -v bart.kwzs.be 10101 |
| 07:55.18 | dwu | And so -clearly-, experimental was the answer! |
| 07:55.19 | tarzeau | dwu: it should have a skull symbol |
| 07:55.21 | endra | cydork: So I came back here asking how to install experimental verison. |
| 07:55.31 | paras | channel, when i create a partion from cfdisk i need to reboot the machine once to see the entry in /dev . is there any way so that the device in /dev in created automaticalyy created after creating partioton from cfdisk? i am using udev |
| 07:55.37 | tarzeau | dwu: we must protet our FÜHRER SAM! |
| 07:55.40 | tarzeau | protect |
| 07:55.43 | endra | cydork: and then I was made the channel idiot for even thinking about it and buying a laptop that doesnt have a real sound card |
| 07:55.47 | dwu | OK, when they said experimental alsa, they didn't fucking mean experimental the Debian version, they meant the experimental ALSA! |
| 07:55.48 | artagnon | Kevin`: okay, one sec |
| 07:56.10 | cydork | endra: well now you cant fix it :) |
| 07:56.13 | endra | No, he said version 1.4.0~rc4-1 or something is in experimental lol. |
| 07:56.14 | dwu | endra: You -are- the channel idiot now for not explaining.. wait, you were the idiot Guerin was talking to earlier. |
| 07:56.32 | endra | dwu: .. |
| 07:56.33 | tarzeau | dwu: we are not mindreaders? |
| 07:56.35 | artagnon | Kevin`: keep that port open, it's coming through |
| 07:56.35 | dwu | tarzeau: etc. |
| 07:56.37 | cydork | dwu: don't walk away!! we need you!! :) |
| 07:56.39 | dwu | tarzeau: Shock. |
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| 07:56.46 | Kevin` | artagnon I assume that's it? |
| 07:57.00 | artagnon | yes, it's small |
| 07:57.06 | endra | Can't I just reload my old sources and aptitude update/upgrade/dist-upgrade ? |
| 07:57.10 | artagnon | I paste the whole thing exactly as you asked me to |
| 07:57.11 | Kevin` | artagnon |
| 07:57.12 | Kevin` | 0000:00:07.0: Invalid Mac address detected: e1:ce:75:92:1a:00 |
| 07:57.12 | Kevin` | Please complain to your hardware vendor. Switching to a random MAC. |
| 07:57.12 | endra | .. I don't see the big deal |
| 07:57.17 | dwu | ahahahah, not if you've managed to remove libc6 already :) |
| 07:57.21 | cydork | !telll endra -about libc6 |
| 07:57.53 | artagnon | Kevin`: aha, so I should get my mobo replaced? |
| 07:58.06 | dwu | The big deal is, you now have several things that are -newer- than in sid, and therefore trying to do that (e.g. going back to lenny or etch or sid) will be trying to downgrade. You may have some system conflicts, but fuck if I can be arsed, since you don't care about consistency./ |
| 07:58.17 | Kevin` | artagnon well that's a little extreme, perhaps just make an init script that changes the mac to a fixed number |
| 07:58.22 | artagnon | Kevin`: because the card isn't switching to a valid mac address |
| 07:58.37 | artagnon | Kevin`: okay. That's only one of the problems |
| 07:58.44 | endra | .. I don't get it, why can't I just reget the one I had and reboot? |
| 07:58.44 | dwu | Let's see. If I came on and said "I've been trying to get ALSA working for a while, and #alsa says I should install the version of ALSA found in experimental, is there a way to do this while I'm on (etch|lenny|sid)?" I -think- I'd have been told that I need to read carefully about pinning etc. |
| 07:58.55 | artagnon | Kevin`: I can't start the kernel without noapic |
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| 07:59.01 | dwu | endra: I just said. If you don't care, go ahead. |
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| 07:59.09 | Kevin` | artagnon dunno about that, as i've never had that issue |
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| 07:59.29 | endra | dwu: if you had one ounce of intelligence you'd go and read back and realize I was NOT told anything about pinning |
| 07:59.29 | artagnon | Kevin`: Okay. Thanks a lot for your help on this network iface one |
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| 07:59.59 | dwu | endra: Because you -didn't- say what I just said, did you, and now I -am- walking away. |
| 08:00.04 | artagnon | Kevin`: btw, what did you use to keep that port on yoru computer open and receive the text input from mine? |
| 08:00.07 | endra | dwu: But I did. |
| 08:00.18 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.23 | endra | dwu: I even told them why, I've been here for 2 hours trying to get alsa working, but no one was able to help me. |
| 08:00.24 | dwu | Not before you uninstalled fucking libc6. |
| 08:00.33 | endra | dwu: I just uninstalled it. |
| 08:00.37 | endra | Like, 5 minutes ago? |
| 08:00.40 | dwu | Good luck to you then. |
| 08:00.47 | artagnon | Kevin`: I see. That's neat |
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| 08:04.06 | Jymmm | I have the debian 4x cd, but my laptop chokes at 85% install. Is it possible to use this cd to do a net install of 3x by chance? |
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| 08:05.51 | artagnon | Kevin`: I forgot to ask to how to change the MAC of the interface: Well, how do you? |
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| 08:06.09 | Kevin` | ifconfig ethx hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx |
| 08:06.16 | Kevin` | while the interface is down |
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| 08:08.25 | artagnon | Kevin`: Alright. But for that udev first has to map it to ethx |
| 08:08.37 | artagnon | and I won't know which one it's mapping it to |
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| 08:09.06 | Kevin` | artagnon if you do it before udev sees it, or disable the auto-naming (comment out large portitions of the file I pointed you to before), it will always have the same name |
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| 08:09.17 | karsten | Is there an upstart-like init in Debian (testing/unstable)? |
| 08:09.32 | somian[0] | hmm, good question |
| 08:09.47 | Kevin` | what's upstart |
| 08:10.03 | Eulex | karsten, apt-cache show upstart. |
| 08:10.04 | karsten | Kevin`: A sysvinit replacement. Used by Ubuntu. |
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| 08:10.11 | karsten | Eulex: Well, I tried that. |
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| 08:10.18 | karsten | Eulex: Nada. |
| 08:10.25 | artagnon | Kevin`: Okay, if I do it before udev sees it then what eth will it be? eth0? |
| 08:10.33 | artagnon | ie. when in an initscript |
| 08:10.51 | Kevin` | artagnon probably |
| 08:11.00 | Kevin` | actually, |
| 08:11.12 | Kevin` | eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01043:8234 bound to 0000:00:07.0 |
| 08:11.15 | Kevin` | yep, eth0 |
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| 08:11.33 | artagnon | Kevin`: Okay. That iniscript has to be executed before udev comes on |
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| 08:11.43 | somian[0] | Anyone here with a bit of wine experience? |
| 08:11.45 | artagnon | can I put it in rc.local? |
| 08:11.55 | Kevin` | rc.local is usually executed last |
| 08:12.13 | artagnon | okay, then i have to put it in rc.0? |
| 08:12.20 | karsten | somian[0]: (hic) yesh? |
| 08:12.27 | karsten | !tell somian[0] about ask |
| 08:12.27 | somian[0] | If so could you msg me -- the blokes in #winehq are uselessly IRCed (made brain dead by too much something) |
| 08:12.40 | karsten | somian[0]: Just ask. |
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| 08:13.06 | somian[0] | Thanks but no thanks, already tempted the OT gods for enough for one 24-hr period ;-) |
| 08:13.14 | artagnon | Kevin`: I'll figure it out. Thanks for your help |
| 08:13.15 | somian[0] | Private is the way to go on this. |
| 08:13.26 | karsten | somian[0]: If it's Debian + wine I'll vouch for you being on-topic. |
| 08:13.29 | Kevin` | artagnon it all starts in /etc/inittab, of course (except for initramfs) |
| 08:14.00 | endra | where do i get 'getopt' from? |
| 08:14.03 | Kevin` | !find bin/getopt |
| 08:14.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/getopt' (1): (/usr/bin/getopt) in utils/util-linux. |
| 08:14.14 | karsten | !tell endra about search |
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| 08:14.41 | somian[0] | Yeah, its debian (Etch). The app i want to run requires mfc42.dll, and i have added it to the system directory ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system and system32 |
| 08:14.52 | wedgeV | is there a way to install apache2 and lighttpd ? because they are conflicting... |
| 08:14.53 | somian[0] | However the app will not start. |
| 08:15.02 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 08:15.13 | karsten | Have you checked the winehq compatibility list? |
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| 08:15.39 | karsten | somian[0]: http://appdb.winehq.org/ |
| 08:16.00 | somian[0] | msg: <quote>err:module:import_dll Loading library MFC42.DLL ... err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for [...] failed, status c0000135 |
| 08:16.13 | somian[0] | Yup, its known compatible. |
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| 08:16.39 | karsten | What's the app? |
| 08:16.49 | somian[0] | See http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=irfanview398 |
| 08:17.02 | somian[0] | that site is referenced by winehq as authoritative |
| 08:17.11 | karsten | Yeah, it's a good site. |
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| 08:17.59 | karsten | somian[0]: Followed the instructions for installing IrfanView ? |
| 08:18.17 | karsten | ... and what version of wine are you running? That's tested on 0.9.17. |
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| 08:22.34 | somian[0] | The latest wine as kept at the winehq apt repo |
| 08:22.44 | somian[0] | The installer is what won't run |
| 08:22.54 | somian[0] | The failure seems totally generic |
| 08:23.02 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 08:23.05 | karsten | Got a newsreader? |
| 08:23.18 | karsten | Might try comp.os.emulators.wine, which I think is still active. |
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| 08:23.53 | somian[0] | It seems that logically if the error message is taking at what it appears to mean, either the dll is bad (corrupted or incompatible) or the wine system cannot find it. |
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| 08:24.12 | somian[0] | And any app that needed to load mfc42.dll would fail in the same way. |
| 08:24.36 | karsten | somian[0]: WINE's pretty twisted. |
| 08:24.36 | somian[0] | s/taking/taken/ <-- at face value, what it appears to say |
| 08:24.45 | somian[0] | I guess so ;-( |
| 08:24.47 | karsten | somian[0]: It's very sensitive to apparently small changes. |
| 08:24.59 | karsten | somian[0]: ... and there are some config tricks which may be helpful, but I don't know 'em. |
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| 08:25.51 | somian[0] | I'll try gmane for the ng archive |
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| 08:26.09 | Blackvel | Hi. Someone tries to hack into my qpopper (POP3). can I block the IP on linux? |
| 08:26.47 | cast | no, you have to upgrade to vista for that |
| 08:26.51 | somian[0] | urrgh, i always forget that gmane is mail to nntp not nntp :-) |
| 08:26.58 | arif | hi |
| 08:27.10 | karsten | somian[0]: Usnet's probably where you're going to have better luck. |
| 08:27.14 | karsten | somian[0]: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine/topics?lnk=gschg |
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| 08:28.06 | fuzan | hey -- what's hte proper method for disabling startup services? removing the scripts from /etc/rc.x? |
| 08:28.18 | karsten | somian[0]: Posting detail of what you're running, etc., is going to be helpful. See the WINEHQ website for tips on posting useful bugreports. |
| 08:28.22 | karsten | fuzan: Remove the service. |
| 08:28.36 | karsten | fuzan: Debian defaults to running services if they're installed. |
| 08:28.46 | karsten | fuzan: If you insist on keeping it installed, man update-rc.d |
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| 08:40.25 | LLcoolM | hi, how can i delete passwords from users without disabling the account entirely? |
| 08:40.49 | karsten | LLcoolM: You want a passwordless account? |
| 08:41.11 | karsten | LLcoolM: blank the password field in /etc/shadow (/etc/passwd if not using shadow passwords). |
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| 08:41.23 | karsten | LLcoolM: Generally this is *strongly* discouraged. |
| 08:41.33 | LLcoolM | karsten: no, i dont want a password for that account (and i do not want it to log in on the console either) but i want the account for ssh-login via otp |
| 08:41.53 | karsten | Um. Read an OTP HOWTO. |
| 08:41.58 | LLcoolM | karsten: i read it |
| 08:42.04 | LLcoolM | and otp is working |
| 08:42.21 | LLcoolM | but i want to close the gap with normal console login for that account and therefore i need to remove the password |
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| 08:42.34 | karsten | You want to *disable* console login? |
| 08:42.40 | somian[0] | karsten: I think that it might be a DLL version problem. Based on a search of google groups. More later. Thanks. |
| 08:42.41 | LLcoolM | yes, but ONLY for that account! |
| 08:43.00 | karsten | somian[0]: OK. |
| 08:43.20 | karsten | LLcoolM: Hrm. Maybe something in pam? |
| 08:43.23 | LLcoolM | i have several accounts that can be used for different things (mail, ssh, etc.). and i want to restrict that to ssh |
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| 08:43.37 | LLcoolM | by default you cannot login into an account if no password has been set |
| 08:43.50 | LLcoolM | and i want to reset an existing account to that state |
| 08:44.02 | karsten | Not true, IIUC. |
| 08:44.06 | LLcoolM | i could of course delete it and create it again. |
| 08:44.18 | LLcoolM | however thats a little nasty way. |
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| 08:44.34 | LLcoolM | karsten: it is true. most unix accounts do not have a password and you cannot log in as those. |
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| 08:45.03 | karsten | LLcoolM: They *do* have a password. |
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| 08:45.17 | karsten | LLcoolM: It's '*' or '!', which disables as a hash. |
| 08:45.18 | acidblood | o \ \______// _ ___ _ (_(__> \ | o |
| 08:45.20 | acidblood | a \ . C ___) ______ (_(____> | / a |
| 08:45.22 | acidblood | t /\ | C ____)/ \ (_____> |_/ t |
| 08:45.22 | karsten | !ops acidblood goatse |
| 08:45.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: acidblood goatse |
| 08:45.24 | acidblood | s / /\| C_____) | (___> / \ s |
| 08:45.26 | acidblood | e | ( _C_____)\______/ // _/ / \ e |
| 08:45.28 | acidblood | x | \ |__ \\_________// (__/ | x |
| 08:45.30 | acidblood | * | \ \____) `---- --' | * |
| 08:45.30 | karsten | !ops l33t_acid goatse |
| 08:45.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: l33t_acid goatse |
| 08:45.32 | acidblood | g | \_ ___\ /_ _/ | g |
| 08:45.34 | acidblood | o | / | | \ | o |
| 08:45.36 | acidblood | a | | / \ \ | a |
| 08:45.38 | acidblood | t | / / | | \ |t |
| 08:45.40 | acidblood | s | / / \__/\___/ | |s |
| 08:45.42 | acidblood | e | / | | | |e |
| 08:45.44 | acidblood | x | | | | | |x |
| 08:45.45 | LLcoolM | ok, i will simply generate a random string and forget it after that. |
| 08:45.46 | acidblood | * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * |
| 08:45.54 | l33t_acid | . dahsiuhuadsihadsiudas ads |
| 08:45.56 | l33t_acid | ahuisadhuidsahads |
| 08:45.58 | karsten | Folks: /ignore acidblood all |
| 08:46.13 | LLcoolM | #/ignore acidblood all |
| 08:46.22 | karsten | LLcoolM: w/o the # |
| 08:46.28 | l33t_acid | oi |
| 08:46.30 | l33t_acid | * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * |
| 08:46.30 | l33t_acid | g g |
| 08:46.30 | l33t_acid | o / \ \ / \ o |
| 08:46.30 | l33t_acid | a| | \ | | a |
| 08:46.41 | l33t_acid | t| `. | | : t |
| 08:46.41 | l33t_acid | s` | | \| | s |
| 08:46.41 | l33t_acid | e \ | / / \\\ --__ \\ : e |
| 08:46.41 | l33t_acid | x \ \/ _--~~ ~--__| \ | x |
| 08:46.41 | l33t_acid | * \ \_-~ ~-_\ | * |
| 08:46.41 | l33t_acid | g \_ \ _.--------.______\| | g |
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| 08:46.52 | Shadur | Somehow, ascii-art goatse loses its impact. |
| 08:47.10 | LLcoolM | karsten: i know but because he stopped i commented it out (irrsi accidentally posted it |
| 08:47.18 | karsten | Shadur: Dunno. I grew up on ascii pr0n. It brings back memories.... |
| 08:47.26 | karsten | LLcoolM: ;-) |
| 08:47.41 | Shadur | LLcoolM: You can precede it with "/ " and it'll show the command. |
| 08:47.45 | Shadur | /ignore foo bar |
| 08:47.46 | Shadur | See? |
| 08:48.05 | karsten | or a space. |
| 08:48.09 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:48.22 | Kevin` | / |
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| 08:50.21 | karsten | LLcoolM: Anyhow, the traditional means of disabling account is to create a password field of '*' or '!', and/or set shell to /bin/false |
| 08:50.42 | karsten | LLcoolM: Check your shadow file. I think you'll find all non-login system accounts match that. |
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| 08:55.59 | cast | "Ubuntu" is an ancient african word. It means "I can't configure debian" <--ahahaha |
| 08:56.27 | metbsd | hahaha |
| 08:57.03 | Blackvel | how can i disable in.qpopper from /etc/inetd.conf? commented out that line and tried to restart /etc/init.d/inetd already |
| 08:57.48 | simonrvn | ... |
| 08:58.10 | cast | Blackvel: sounds like you already have |
| 08:58.13 | simonrvn | Blackvel: that should do it |
| 08:58.46 | karsten | simonrvn: You got ops? |
| 08:58.57 | simonrvn | here no |
| 08:59.01 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 09:00.14 | simonrvn | another brightone |
| 09:00.17 | karsten | Yep. |
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| 09:03.22 | Guerin | ok, i'm trying to undervolt my cpu and everything tells me to use retarded proprietary shite to stress-test the new voltages |
| 09:03.41 | Guerin | so what's a stress-tester for floating-point calculations? |
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| 09:04.51 | mrparanoid | having a slight problem installing debian onto a vmware-server, it cant detect the disks? anyone know what driver i need to tell it to use? |
| 09:05.12 | TTT | are there any opensource diagramming toosl that can read visio files? |
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| 09:08.37 | karsten | TTT: dia comes closest, I think the answer is no. |
| 09:08.49 | karsten | TTT: Might get visio up under WINE though. |
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| 09:09.31 | karsten | Is there a way to specify actions to happen on suspend actions w/ uswsusp? |
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| 09:09.48 | TTT | ha, from Dia FAQ |
| 09:09.52 | TTT | Can Dia open Visio .vsd files? |
| 09:09.57 | TTT | No, it can't. |
| 09:09.57 | karsten | Guerin: Google for cerberus test suite. |
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| 09:10.03 | karsten | !win me |
| 09:10.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, karsten! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 09:10.23 | TTT | karsten, i got some visio viewer from microsoft that plugs into IE and views vsd files, hope i get that working |
| 09:10.29 | biopyte | hi. is there any .deb for burning multisession-CDs that is *not* a derivate of cdrecord? |
| 09:11.19 | rainabba | md0 and md1 both span 5 disks in my system. I think /dev/sdf is out-of-sync and needs to be rebuilt/re-synced. Which mdadm option do I use to check the array or that drive and/or force it to rebuild? |
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| 09:17.18 | rainabba | nm, figured out a viable Google query that answered things |
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| 09:19.05 | rainabba | Next question: Can anyone recommend a HDD activity monitor for console (not GUI) ? |
| 09:19.31 | spungles | iostat |
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| 09:20.17 | karsten | rainabba: iostat, vmstat, sar, atop (requires a kernel patch). |
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| 09:20.31 | rainabba | all of them do, or just atop? |
| 09:20.39 | karsten | rainabba: Just the last |
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| 09:20.58 | rainabba | Any of them run real-time (continuous updates) ? |
| 09:21.08 | karsten | rainabba: RTFM |
| 09:21.26 | karsten | rainabba: Options to do so w/ all. |
| 09:21.28 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 09:21.31 | fuzan | is this the wisest way to get cpu governers? http://boykin.acis.ufl.edu/?p=90 |
| 09:21.41 | rainabba | Wow, the RTFM was really needed huh? |
| 09:21.50 | rainabba | Thanks anyway for the leads. |
| 09:22.00 | karsten | rainabba: I'm tired. Read the manpages, you'll want to anyway. |
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| 09:30.03 | matahari | hi |
| 09:30.08 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 09:30.22 | matahari | i have problems with apache2 and mod_proxy |
| 09:31.09 | matahari | using this Howto http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/apache i created my config like this: |
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| 09:31.55 | matahari | http://phpfi.com/240003 |
| 09:32.10 | matahari | but i always get an permission denied error, wehn accessing the site |
| 09:32.13 | matahari | any suggestions? |
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| 09:34.08 | karmatronic | matahari: what s litening on your port 8080 |
| 09:34.20 | karmatronic | matahari: s/litening/listening |
| 09:34.23 | matahari | pootle |
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| 09:34.34 | somian[0] | ? |
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| 09:35.01 | matahari | karmatronic: pootle is listening |
| 09:35.03 | metbsd | is there a way to get a working debian 3.1 and kern 2.6 with knoppix? |
| 09:35.48 | somian[0] | knop-who? |
| 09:35.54 | somian[0] | just kidding, don't answer |
| 09:36.15 | somian[0] | Maybe you want grml metbsd |
| 09:36.18 | cast | metbsd: sure, debootstrap |
| 09:36.22 | karmatronic | matahari: did you add the Allow from localhost directive in <Proxy> ? |
| 09:36.31 | cast | metbsd: though don't you want 4.0 |
| 09:36.36 | matahari | no |
| 09:36.41 | matahari | allow from all is there |
| 09:36.44 | metbsd | no i want 3.1 |
| 09:36.47 | somian[0] | Use grml-debootsrap then |
| 09:37.11 | metbsd | i want to install debian with knoppix cd, is that possible? |
| 09:37.16 | somian[0] | Oh, old debian. hmm. |
| 09:37.19 | vince36 | hi to all, i've a sort of squid question, but i try here....what exactly mean a line like "(^|\.)zanox\.com$" , in an exclude ACL list...? |
| 09:37.22 | matahari | karmatronic: there is an allow from all directive |
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| 09:37.31 | vince36 | metbsd, possible , but not the easier |
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| 09:37.32 | metbsd | i want to install debian 3.1 with kern 2.6 with knoppix |
| 09:37.43 | metbsd | how to do that? |
| 09:37.47 | smcavoy_ | hi I have "%groupname ALL=(ALL) ALL" set in my sudoers file, groupname is a nis group. I am able login to the machine as well as see that I belong to the group. when I execute sudo -l I get Sorry, user smcavoy may not run sudo on localhost. |
| 09:37.57 | vince36 | wait i've a link, metbsd |
| 09:38.05 | karmatronic | matahari: and yuo re sure mod_proxy is loaded ? |
| 09:38.07 | metbsd | ok thanks |
| 09:38.09 | smcavoy_ | if I add my own user to the sudoers file it works, any suggestions on how to get it going? |
| 09:38.17 | matahari | karmatronic: how can i ensure that? |
| 09:39.05 | karmatronic | matahari: grep proxy modules.conf in your apache directory |
| 09:39.07 | petemc | smcavoy_: should work right away, provided the syntax is ok, did you use visudo? |
| 09:39.22 | matahari | is there |
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| 09:39.54 | karmatronic | matahari: oh no my mistake you re using apache2 , so there s a debian utility to deal with modules |
| 09:40.00 | matahari | yes |
| 09:40.19 | matahari | a2enmod |
| 09:40.20 | matahari | karmatronic: i already did a2enmod proxy |
| 09:40.27 | petemc | somian[0]: imagemagick can do most things irfanview can do |
| 09:40.53 | vince36 | metbsd, may be that help : http://www.inittab.de/manuals/debootstrap.html |
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| 09:41.17 | somian[0] | petemc: fyi, PS plugins under irfanview can give you interactive image alteration; its a totally different experience from I~M |
| 09:41.19 | smcavoy_ | petemc, I did use visudo and I see the similar config working on a slackware box... just not on by debian box |
| 09:41.26 | mooch | b3r: jolas |
| 09:41.45 | somian[0] | wine is getting a failing grade. |
| 09:41.47 | mooch | b3r: entra en el canal mooch |
| 09:42.00 | petemc | somian[0]: can you elaborate |
| 09:42.02 | petemc | gah |
| 09:42.07 | petemc | smcavoy_: ^^^ |
| 09:42.33 | petemc | somian[0]: i guess if interactive image manipulation is your thing... |
| 09:43.09 | somian[0] | When its my thing, its my thing. Computers can do that and I like it that they can. |
| 09:43.29 | petemc | i like the way you can script convert etc |
| 09:43.41 | smcavoy_ | petemc, ? |
| 09:43.42 | karmatronic | matahari: maybe you could change the <Proxy *> to <Proxy localhost:8080> |
| 09:43.53 | petemc | smcavoy_: whats not working? any errors? |
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| 09:44.06 | matahari | karmatronic: already tried - but i will change it again |
| 09:44.13 | stylus | can sudo be used on debian to run commands as root? |
| 09:44.22 | stylus | if not, what do i use? |
| 09:44.22 | karmatronic | stylus: of course |
| 09:44.25 | somian[0] | Dogmatically comparing a completely different kind of tool from Irfanview to it (what, just because its Unix?) ..., oh well |
| 09:44.31 | stylus | ty |
| 09:44.39 | metbsd | vince36, thank you |
| 09:45.16 | smcavoy_ | petemc, it gives me the message "Sorry, user smcavoy may not run sudo on localhost." |
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| 09:45.29 | matahari | karmatronic: still the 403 forbidden error |
| 09:45.30 | stylus | karmatronic; erm, sudo didn't work |
| 09:45.58 | karmatronic | stylus: what s your sudo line ? |
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| 09:46.38 | karmatronic | matahari: you should check the directory rights... |
| 09:46.50 | matahari | in /var/www? |
| 09:46.57 | matahari | or in the pootle dir? |
| 09:46.59 | stylus | -bash: sudo: command not found. i was just doing an apt-get |
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| 09:47.03 | stylus | karmatronic ^ |
| 09:47.30 | matahari | karmatronic: in the pootle dir the rights are 777 |
| 09:47.32 | karmatronic | matahari: in the pootle dir m cos i guess you can access your web server regular pages |
| 09:47.37 | karmatronic | matahari: right ? |
| 09:47.46 | matahari | karmatronic: yes |
| 09:48.05 | matahari | karmatronic: apache needs only read or write access too to the pootle dirs? |
| 09:48.46 | karmatronic | matahari: read access |
| 09:48.55 | matahari | karmatronic: with 777 it should have everything |
| 09:49.23 | simonrvn | with 777 *everyone* has access... |
| 09:49.37 | simonrvn | not bright |
| 09:50.32 | karmatronic | matahari: what happens if you access pootle directly with http://localhost:8080 ? |
| 09:50.42 | matahari | the site shows up |
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| 09:51.34 | SoulChild | Hey all |
| 09:51.49 | karmatronic | ProxyPass /ssh/ http://localhost:8022/ |
| 09:51.50 | karmatronic | ProxyPassReverse /ssh/ http://localhost:8022/ |
| 09:51.55 | SoulChild | is there a programm that can test my whole system of errors ? |
| 09:51.59 | karmatronic | matahari: oups |
| 09:52.29 | karmatronic | matahari: i meant ProxyPass /pootle/ http://localhost:8080/ |
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| 09:52.37 | matahari | ok |
| 09:52.48 | karmatronic | matahari: ProxyPassReverse /pootle/ http://localhost:8080/ |
| 09:53.03 | karmatronic | matahari: and restart apache btw |
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| 09:53.24 | matahari | ok |
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| 09:53.50 | matahari | karmatronic: |
| 09:53.51 | matahari | lol |
| 09:53.57 | matahari | karmatronic: i changed it |
| 09:54.12 | karmatronic | matahari: forgot to restart apache in the first place ? |
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| 09:54.34 | matahari | karmatronic: now i see the content of the root directory (but not the page) and get a permission denied error on /pootle/ |
| 09:54.42 | matahari | karmatronic: no, restartet all the time |
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| 09:55.39 | wizard | hi all. |
| 09:55.43 | matahari | hi wizard |
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| 09:55.50 | karmatronic | matahari: the following options in <Directory> will prevent browsing the web server |
| 09:55.53 | karmatronic | matahari: Options SymLinksIfOwnerMatch |
| 09:55.59 | karmatronic | matahari: AllowOverride None |
| 09:56.12 | matahari | yes |
| 09:56.17 | matahari | but the page still won't show up |
| 09:56.29 | matahari | because this is only the static content that i can browse |
| 09:56.39 | matahari | but for the dynamic content i still get a permission denied |
| 09:57.13 | karmatronic | matahari: it s php stuff ? |
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| 09:57.23 | matahari | no, python |
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| 09:57.38 | wizard | who know... I installed vserver, mount in to it's tree a partition fot many big files. then after 'vserver enter' I can't see mounted partition |
| 09:57.49 | karmatronic | matahari: mod_python is enabled ? |
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| 09:58.08 | matahari | no, pootle is a standalone server that listens on port 8080 |
| 09:58.16 | matahari | so apaache don't need mod_python |
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| 09:58.40 | karmatronic | matahari: ok |
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| 09:59.10 | Bushmills | matahari: can you execute the python scripts yourself, by typing in path and name? |
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| 09:59.19 | matahari | Bushmills: yes |
| 09:59.27 | spheard | how do I grep for a text string recursivly, I tried "grep *string* /", but I got nothing |
| 09:59.28 | matahari | Bushmills: and the server itself is accessible too |
| 09:59.40 | Bushmills | can the user apache runs as too? |
| 09:59.40 | spheard | grep *string* / -r rather |
| 09:59.41 | matahari | Bushmills: you can try it: http://translate.freemedsoftware.org:8080 |
| 10:00.15 | matahari | Bushmills: don't want to run it by Apache, because it is a standalone server, i didn't create |
| 10:00.41 | Bushmills | so what should call the python script, if not apache? |
| 10:00.48 | matahari | it is a standalone server |
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| 10:00.58 | matahari | the server is always running in the background |
| 10:01.04 | matahari | has its own init script |
| 10:01.09 | karmatronic | matahari: yeah but i requires python on the machine |
| 10:01.20 | Bushmills | i'm not sure whether i understand. will you allow users to ssh to it? |
| 10:01.20 | matahari | karmatronic: python is on the machine |
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| 10:01.36 | matahari | the server itself works |
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| 10:02.18 | matahari | i want that its getting proxied through apache so 1.) static content is served by apache and 2.) users don't need to write the portt :8080 |
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| 10:03.04 | Bushmills | what/who executes the python script? |
| 10:03.18 | Bushmills | ("it is a stand alone server" is not a good answer) |
| 10:03.34 | karmatronic | matahari: this page shows a config file |
| 10:03.39 | karmatronic | matahari: http://www.wordforge.org/static/pootleadmin.html |
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| 10:05.18 | matahari | karmatronic: i know this config file - i use 90% of it.... |
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| 10:08.15 | karmatronic | matahari: what s the extension of the file that you access when you directly tipe http://localhost:8080 in your web browser? |
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| 10:08.46 | matahari | karmatronic: there is no file and no extension - seems transparent |
| 10:09.08 | matahari | karmatronic: you can try it too - just use the link http://translate.freemedsoftware.org:8080 |
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| 10:12.14 | matahari | okay, i give it up |
| 10:12.39 | matahari | it#s enough |
| 10:12.45 | matahari | too bad, that it won#t work with debian |
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| 10:13.53 | karmatronic | matahari: i suggest that you try first a other proxy directive to check problem is either apache or pootle |
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| 10:14.37 | matahari | karmatronic: any idea for one? i have no idea - never worked with proxy before |
| 10:14.38 | karmatronic | ProxyPass / http://google.fr/ for instance |
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| 10:14.42 | matahari | ok |
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| 10:14.56 | karmatronic | and the ProxyPassReverse too |
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| 10:17.14 | matahari | karmatronic: doesn't work - again Permission denied |
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| 10:17.45 | matahari | karmatronic: but, i found something in my error.log now: |
| 10:17.50 | matahari | [Thu Jun 07 12:01:55 2007] [warn] proxy: No protocol handler was valid for the URL /. If you are using a DSO version of mod_proxy, make sure the proxy submodules are included in the configuration using LoadModule. |
| 10:17.58 | simonrvn | it's not that hard... i'd suggest reading the apache docs on that stuff |
| 10:18.14 | simonrvn | there, useful info. follow it |
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| 10:18.24 | karmatronic | matahari: what bothers me about your config is the / |
| 10:18.45 | karmatronic | matahari: does this work ? |
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| 10:18.50 | simonrvn | gotta be careful when using / and proxying |
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| 10:18.53 | karmatronic | matahari: ProxyPass /matahari/ http://google.fr/ for instance |
| 10:19.34 | karmatronic | matahari: and then http://your_web_server/matahari/ |
| 10:20.00 | matahari | karmatronic: doesn#t work: http://translate.freemedsoftware.org/matahari/ |
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| 10:21.40 | matahari | karmatronic: :-) |
| 10:21.50 | matahari | karmatronic: http://kpumuk.info/ruby-on-rails/upgrading-apache-to-version-2-2-in-debian/ |
| 10:21.54 | matahari | karmatronic: :-) |
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| 10:22.34 | matahari | karmatronic: with google it worked now |
| 10:22.55 | matahari | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:23.03 | matahari | karmatronic: THANKS!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:23.30 | simonrvn | !happy customer |
| 10:23.30 | dpkg | well, happy customer is (Another happy customer leaves the building. Should be a law against them...) |
| 10:23.45 | frank | :) |
| 10:24.07 | simonrvn | hmm, not quite the factoid i wanted |
| 10:24.31 | simonrvn | close enough ;p |
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| 10:31.21 | humbolto | how do I background a process in ssh? |
| 10:31.37 | humbolto | in console/bash I mean |
| 10:32.10 | petemc | ctl z |
| 10:32.16 | piti | Hi everyone, I'd like to know how I can configure a high definition audio card (7.1) on debian. thx |
| 10:33.01 | humbolto | petemc: and I get it back with typing fg right? |
| 10:33.09 | petemc | or %1 , aye |
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| 10:33.28 | humbolto | can I background more than one process? |
| 10:33.30 | Coweater | ctrl-z will suspend it, have to do bg after ctrl-z |
| 10:34.02 | humbolto | Coweater: I see, so apt-get keeps running for example. |
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| 10:45.07 | vigneswari | hello all |
| 10:45.32 | vigneswari | can u tell me which package is reposible for the command cfdisk |
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| 10:45.55 | cydork | vigneswari: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:46.26 | tarzeau | how can i easily process binary output and disconnect from this command in shell code? nc -u 195.176.49.49 28786 | hexdump -C |
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| 10:48.46 | vigneswari | cydork, thankz i got |
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| 10:50.12 | endra | hello. |
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| 10:50.32 | endra | earlier this morning, i screwed up my debian installation by messing with experimental alsa while trying to get sound to work |
| 10:50.47 | endra | now im back with a fresh install, does anyone want to guide me through it? |
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| 10:51.21 | karmatronic | endra: just run alsaconfig |
| 10:51.28 | vigneswari | cydork, when giving cfdisk command i am getting error, |
| 10:51.34 | vigneswari | cydork, FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 6: enlarged logical partitions overlap Press any key to exit cfdisk |
| 10:51.36 | endra | karmatronic: yes, we've tried that. |
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| 10:52.48 | endra | karmatronic: here is what im about to do: aptitude install alsa-base alsa-utils, then i will run alsaconf, then i will go to alsamixer and adjust volumes. |
| 10:53.38 | cydork | vigneswari: did you resize the partitions or something? |
| 10:53.44 | cydork | endra: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 10:54.23 | endra | cydork: that doesnt include alsaconf |
| 10:54.29 | vigneswari | cydork, i didnt resize any partition. i delete one partition and over the same space i ve installed ubuntu |
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| 10:56.32 | cydork | endra: you need alsaconf.. |
| 10:56.37 | matahari | is there a way to acitivate the public_html directories in the user directories? so users can access them e.g. via /~matahari |
| 10:57.03 | endra | cydork: i am aware of that. i simply stated that alsa one-liner does not include alsaconf |
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| 10:57.14 | Raffaello | pokumon |
| 10:57.26 | xand | pardon? |
| 10:57.27 | frank | matahari: a2enmod userdir |
| 10:57.33 | cydork | endra: yeah someone must have edited it or something .. |
| 10:57.37 | matahari | frank: that's all= |
| 10:57.39 | matahari | ? |
| 10:57.57 | frank | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.03 | matahari | yes |
| 10:58.06 | Shadur | or apachectl graceful |
| 10:58.18 | vigneswari | cydork, what to do now/ |
| 10:58.19 | matahari | is there a config where i can specify which users can use this? |
| 10:58.25 | endra | i will now reboot, be right back |
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| 10:58.31 | vigneswari | cydork, i didnt resize any partition. i delete one partition and over the same space i ve installed ubuntu |
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| 10:58.46 | schme | !ubuntu |
| 10:58.46 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 10:58.51 | cydork | vigneswari: ask #ubuntu |
| 10:58.52 | frank | matahari: take a look in /etc/apache2/mods-available |
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| 10:59.29 | schme | I can't go from unstable to stable, now can I? |
| 10:59.38 | cydork | schme: nope |
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| 10:59.49 | matahari | frank: ok |
| 10:59.56 | schme | Yay. Reinstall weekend! |
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| 11:03.49 | endra | still no sound :-/ |
| 11:03.56 | karmatronic | matahari: btw ServerTokens Prod directive will prevent users from seeing your os system and the apache version you re running |
| 11:04.16 | matahari | perfect |
| 11:04.24 | matahari | where do i have to put this so it's global? |
| 11:04.57 | karmatronic | matahari: and also ServerSignature Off if you dont even want people to see apache |
| 11:05.05 | karmatronic | name appearing |
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| 11:05.46 | matahari | karmatronic: in whcih config shall i put that? |
| 11:06.05 | karmatronic | in httpd.conf (global settings ( |
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| 11:12.16 | marc7 | is there anything people loathe more than kernel configuration and optimization in this room? |
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| 11:12.30 | xand | !room |
| 11:12.30 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 11:12.35 | Shadur | Lots of things. |
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| 11:12.43 | artagnon | !sound |
| 11:12.43 | dpkg | somebody said sound was ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 11:12.49 | artagnon | !alsa one-liner |
| 11:12.49 | zamuro | dpkg: kiss me |
| 11:12.50 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 11:13.06 | Shadur | So many things, in fact, that I really can't even come up with a list offhand. |
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| 11:13.11 | Shadur | !tell artagnon about msg |
| 11:13.31 | Shadur | In fact, I don't loathe kernel configuration at all. |
| 11:13.35 | artagnon | ok |
| 11:14.14 | ErkiDerLoony | Hi! I just installed my second monitor and everything works fine, except for that I cannot drag windows from one monitor to the other! |
| 11:14.20 | ErkiDerLoony | How come? |
| 11:14.21 | artagnon | what provides alsaconf? |
| 11:14.29 | tarzeau | dpkg forget sound |
| 11:14.42 | tarzeau | dpkg sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
| 11:14.42 | dpkg | ...but sound is already something else... |
| 11:14.54 | tarzeau | locked entry? |
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| 11:15.00 | Shadur | ErkiDerLoony: That's probably an issue with either your window manager or Xorg. |
| 11:15.02 | marc7 | fine, channel. and I think I'm at my wits end... this is day 3 pouring over kernel options... documenting them... trying to create a standard .config file and then a set of files to diff against the standard .config file for each different kind of server we have in our facility |
| 11:15.15 | tarzeau | !sound |
| 11:15.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
| 11:15.35 | endra | say that my card is only supported on alsa-driver-1.0.14-rc1 and higher, how would i go about installing such a versio |
| 11:15.49 | ErkiDerLoony | Shadur: When I drag the window out of the left side of the first screen, the mouse pointer appears on the second screen correctly, but the window appears again on the other side of the first screen. |
| 11:15.53 | tarzeau | endra: if you have a recent 2.6 , you'll just have it |
| 11:15.54 | ErkiDerLoony | Not on the second one. |
| 11:15.58 | Shadur | marc7: That's what you get for using wildly different hardware in each server. |
| 11:16.10 | Shadur | !tell me about alsa-bork |
| 11:16.20 | marc7 | Shadur; it's not all bad... starting to standardize with dell gear, but even then.... |
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| 11:17.46 | Shadur | marc7: Also, why are you screwing around with diffs? Just create a config file for each system, store them on your compiling box, and copy the config you need into the kernel tree before hitting make-kpkg |
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| 11:17.57 | endra | how can i get the version of alsa i am currently using |
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| 11:18.30 | Shadur | cat /proc/asound/version |
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| 11:19.03 | marc7 | shadur: because when a new kernel version comes out, I'd like to just update the principal file... and then the changes to the principal file will still be current |
| 11:19.39 | endra | se, i am currently running alsa v 1.0.12rc1, and i want to run version 1.0.14-rc1 at the least. |
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| 11:20.09 | endra | what are my choices? |
| 11:20.26 | jelly-home | marc7: how many machines? how many machine types? |
| 11:20.28 | Shadur | marc7: Sounds like way more trouble than it's worth. Besides, some of the added features of the new kernel might not be required by all your servers anyway. |
| 11:20.46 | jelly-home | marc7: we mostly have a single .config that works on all the servers. |
| 11:20.51 | Shadur | endra: Update your kernel or download the alsa sources and compile them outside the kernel. |
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| 11:21.30 | marc7 | jelly-home: in hindsight, not enough to make this project worthwhile. unfortunately some intel and some amd, some with 100baseT and some with 1000baseT networking, some with SCSI and some with SATA and some with neither |
| 11:21.35 | Shadur | marc7: Also, there's the little problem that sometimes a diff will no longer fit because new options were plugged in at the diff's original splice point. |
| 11:21.58 | marc7 | shadur: right, not a traditional diff |
| 11:21.59 | Shadur | marc7: You can handle the networking with modules. |
| 11:22.06 | endra | how can i update my kernel to the latest version ? aptitude only gives me 2.6.18-4-686? |
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| 11:22.13 | Shadur | marc7: I reiterate. WAY more trouble than it's worth. |
| 11:22.17 | jelly-home | marc7: I'd just put every boot controller in the kernel, and be done with it |
| 11:22.27 | Shadur | endra: download a kernel source tree and the kernel-package package, then learn to roll your own. |
| 11:22.44 | krekon | is there any room for chkrootkit? |
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| 11:23.04 | Shadur | jelly-home: I'm not entirely sure how much gain you get from optimizing for a specific CPU type. |
| 11:23.16 | endra | Shadur: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Toshiba_Satellite_P100#Audio |
| 11:23.20 | jelly-home | Shadur: not a visible gain, IMO |
| 11:23.39 | Shadur | endra: I'm sure that's a very lovely URL, but I'm not interested. |
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| 11:24.05 | Shadur | I'll assume that it tells you that you need at least that version of alsa to make your laptop's sound work in linux? |
| 11:24.40 | endra | Shadur: yes, but it is not in the latest kernel. my question would be do i still upgrade the kernel? |
| 11:25.11 | Shadur | endra: It is in the latest kernel - I'm running 2.6.21 and my alsa version string is 1.0.14rc1. |
| 11:25.28 | Shadur | Install kernel-package and learn to use it. |
| 11:25.33 | endra | lovey. |
| 11:25.37 | endra | ly. |
| 11:25.41 | endra | damn laptop keyboard. |
| 11:25.48 | endra | appreciate your help. |
| 11:25.51 | endra | thank you. |
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| 11:26.52 | Shadur | make-kpkg's about as painless as building a kernel can get. Don't whine, please, it's too early in the day for me to tolerate. |
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| 11:27.13 | Greyscale | I wonder if they'd be any interest if someone made a repository of all the stuff that can't make its way into debian due to licence issues... |
| 11:27.31 | Shadur | Greyscale: debian-non-legal? |
| 11:27.34 | Greyscale | like debian-proprietry |
| 11:27.46 | Greyscale | containing anything the debian repo people don't like |
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| 11:27.56 | endra | Shadur: you know, you are helpful but quite frankly your acting like an asshole. |
| 11:28.11 | xand | Greyscale: isn't that non-free? |
| 11:28.13 | Greyscale | like ATI and Nvidia drivers. |
| 11:28.17 | Greyscale | and Firefox. |
| 11:28.25 | Greyscale | And W32CODECS |
| 11:28.30 | Greyscale | all in one place |
| 11:28.31 | xand | Greyscale: what's wrong with iceweasel? |
| 11:28.46 | Greyscale | xand, It just *feels* lesser Oo |
| 11:28.48 | jelly-home | it's not firefox. |
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| 11:28.52 | xand | it's the same. |
| 11:28.56 | Greyscale | Its not *quite* |
| 11:28.57 | xand | apart from branding |
| 11:29.08 | jelly-home | nope, browser id is different |
| 11:29.08 | Greyscale | the debian maintainers actually use user-supplied patches |
| 11:29.29 | jelly-home | xand: which actually means some pages won't work |
| 11:29.34 | Greyscale | whereas the firefox devs don't listen. But still, I like my cainoid branding |
| 11:29.42 | xand | jelly-home: such websites shouldn't be used imo. |
| 11:29.48 | Greyscale | (or are foxes feline?" |
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| 11:29.54 | xand | no, foxes are canine |
| 11:29.59 | Eulex | jelly-home, ... change it yourself? |
| 11:30.00 | Greyscale | thought so |
| 11:30.06 | Greyscale | they're somewhere in the middle |
| 11:30.06 | jelly-home | Eulex: so I did |
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| 11:30.33 | Eulex | jelly-home, well, problem solved? |
| 11:30.41 | xand | Greyscale: no, they're just canine |
| 11:30.53 | xand | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox |
| 11:31.04 | jelly-home | Eulex: the point was that Debian's iceweasel differs from Firefox |
| 11:31.06 | Greyscale | I'll rephrase: |
| 11:31.06 | xand | and thus smelly ;P |
| 11:31.13 | Greyscale | they appear somewhere in the middle |
| 11:31.18 | Greyscale | that is what I ment. |
| 11:31.26 | valdyn | jelly-home: there's very few debian packages that dont differ from upstream ( if any ) |
| 11:31.53 | jelly-home | valdyn: yeah, but most work at least equally well as upstream |
| 11:31.55 | xand | jelly-home: sites that rely on browser identification aren't worthy of my use, and i've never had a problem due to that |
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| 11:33.02 | jelly-home | xand: TBH this was only one site |
| 11:33.46 | Greyscale | Anyway, any major flaws in my idea? |
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| 11:34.56 | valdyn | Greyscale: yea, that idea is basically ' i dont like how some things are packaged so i want a repo with those packaged differently ' |
| 11:35.08 | jelly-home | Greyscale: legality of distribution for some of the pieces in question? |
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| 11:36.28 | Greyscale | jelly-home, I was thinking of one diffinitive place to put stuff |
| 11:37.07 | jelly-home | Greyscale: I don't really need anything else apart from those, that's definitive enough |
| 11:37.33 | Greyscale | *nod |
| 11:38.11 | valdyn | Greyscale: that's not possible. Debian wont risk a lawsuit for such convenience. |
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| 11:45.47 | HostilePenguin | where can i get a good resume at? |
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| 11:46.37 | rad7 | hi |
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| 11:47.54 | endra | how do i know if my system requires initrd ram disk? |
| 11:48.22 | rad7 | I'm beginner in debian... and I have problem... http://paste-bin.com/11866 |
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| 11:50.25 | endra | rad7: not sure about your problem, but try sticking to 'aptitude' not 'apt-get', and it says something about sarge in there and the latest version is Etch so maybe updating your system will help fix it |
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| 11:52.58 | rad7 | howto remove libc6-dev ? I don't know howto use aptitude |
| 11:53.05 | binary | Hello does anybody know hot configure network manager |
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| 11:53.18 | binary | I can't find any great howto's on the web |
| 11:53.33 | endra | rad7: um, i dont know if its a good thing to mess with libc6. i did it this morning and was yelled |
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| 11:53.48 | endra | yelled at* |
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| 11:54.40 | Marenz | where are the settins that regard to the non-x display ? |
| 11:54.54 | Marenz | the virtual consoles |
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| 11:56.21 | piti | Hello I have an on-board ALC888 (on an Asrock aliveNF5), and I like to make sound work. |
| 11:57.33 | sin[neocon] | hello guys I am trying to compile a module using a makefile and well, the other day it worked just fine, however now when I type make I get an error message /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/build: No such file or directory, I have the linux-headers in my /usr/src, any ideas ? |
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| 12:00.31 | artagnon | alsaconf isn't detecting my soundcard. lspci lists it as 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
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| 12:01.57 | Marenz | artagnon #alsa |
| 12:02.07 | artagnon | Marenz: ok |
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| 12:04.55 | RustyJames | is there a command line tool to switch display resolution? i need it for a script im writing |
| 12:04.58 | rad7 | help me anybody http://paste-bin.com/11867 I don't know how to use aptitude and I not want update system to new debian, i want stay on sarge |
| 12:07.13 | zamuro | !pl |
| 12:07.14 | dpkg | somebody said pl was perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 12:07.17 | frank | rad7: somehow looks like you once got security in, but removed it later |
| 12:07.21 | zamuro | !polska |
| 12:07.31 | frank | rad7: can you paste your sources.list? |
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| 12:08.12 | rad7 | only deb ftp://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/debian/ sarge main |
| 12:08.44 | frank | rad7: i suggest you add security, do update and all should be fine again |
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| 12:09.24 | frank | so you have to add: deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main |
| 12:09.29 | rad7 | ok |
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| 12:09.56 | frank | then type: aptitude update |
| 12:10.10 | frank | and aptitude upgrade |
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| 12:11.18 | rad7 | frank: and again this same |
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| 12:12.41 | frank | rad7: same what? |
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| 12:13.10 | rad7 | http://paste-bin.com/11867 |
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| 12:14.05 | valdyn | rad7: show your /etc/apt/sources.list too |
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| 12:15.04 | frank | rad7: what does: 'apt-cache policy libc6 ' say? |
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| 12:15.41 | ad__ | Ð’Ñем доброго времены Ñуток!!! |
| 12:15.42 | milez | hello. having a problem running the debian installer on a new dual core athlon 64 with the latest amd-64 netinst. debconf hangs indefinitely after "attached scsi sg1 generic type 5" message |
| 12:15.57 | valdyn | !latest |
| 12:15.57 | dpkg | latest is, like, not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 12:15.59 | rad7 | my sources deb ftp://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/debian/ sarge main |
| 12:15.59 | rad7 | deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main |
| 12:16.00 | dimir | Доброго, доброго! |
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| 12:16.11 | valdyn | rad7: run apt-get -f install |
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| 12:16.33 | milez | valdyn, the stable installer does not work either unless run with nosmp and even then cannot locate the cdrom driver |
| 12:17.08 | valdyn | milez: nosmp is a good solution |
| 12:17.27 | rad7 | http://paste-bin.com/11868 |
| 12:17.32 | valdyn | milez: cdrom driver maybe really means atapi controller |
| 12:17.56 | milez | valdyn, it's a sata-connected drive |
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| 12:18.15 | valdyn | milez: or sata controller then |
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| 12:18.52 | milez | where would i start to resolve this? |
| 12:19.00 | valdyn | !info tzdata sarge |
| 12:19.07 | milez | i think its a better approach to fix the unstable |
| 12:19.18 | milez | as the stable probably doesn't even contain the cd driver |
| 12:19.19 | valdyn | rad7: run "dpkg -l tzdata | tail -1", paste the output |
| 12:19.28 | milez | (looking for an ide cdrom i may have lying somewhere) |
| 12:19.44 | rad7 | valdyn: ii tzdata 2007b-1 Time Zone and Daylight Saving Time Data |
| 12:20.43 | frank | rad7: where did you get that package, can't find it here, so i'd suggest remove it .. |
| 12:20.59 | valdyn | rad7: try 'apt-get remove tzdata', dont confirm with Y, paste the output |
| 12:21.04 | rad7 | ok |
| 12:21.18 | ad__ | Кто поможет зарегеÑтрироватÑÑ ÐŸÐ›Ð˜Ð˜Ð˜Ð—. Тупой Ñ. |
| 12:21.32 | milez | yay, ide cd! |
| 12:21.33 | milez | ta ta |
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| 12:21.55 | rad7 | valdyn: THANKS :) |
| 12:22.22 | valdyn | rad7: apt-get upgrade php4-gd isnt a valid command btw |
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| 12:22.53 | rad7 | why? |
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| 12:23.22 | valdyn | rad7: the php4-gd gets ignored, upgrade is the command to upgrade the system. not single packages |
| 12:23.47 | rad7 | valdyn: yhm |
| 12:24.06 | valdyn | rad7: but that's ok, you dont normally want to upgrade individual packages anyway, its silly |
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| 12:24.23 | valdyn | rad7: tzdata removed ? |
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| 12:24.44 | rad7 | yes |
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| 12:24.56 | valdyn | rad7: apt-get -f install |
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| 12:26.48 | frank | if you type : aptitude install foo, then foo gets updated if it's already installed and there's a newer package available iirc |
| 12:27.08 | valdyn | right |
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| 12:31.28 | LinkinTurk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrwE2T6cLMk |
| 12:31.33 | vchrizz | hi |
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| 12:35.20 | vchrizz | ive got a 3mbit conn and only clients behind my debian nat router experience slow internet connection (downloads run at max ~30kb/s) - on the debian box everything is fine.. how could i find out why? |
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| 12:36.27 | vchrizz | i tried downloading from kernel.org where i get about 360kb/s on the debian box, clients behind the nat have ~30kb/s max on the same source |
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| 12:40.56 | thp | i'm looking for a sponsor of a package that provides an alternative, LGPL'd flac encoder, if a DD is interested, please have a look: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/maintainer-packages?action=details;package=flake |
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| 12:40.59 | amine | hello |
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| 12:41.18 | amine | out of curiousity, how long until the latest kernel is located inside of stable debian? |
| 12:41.30 | petemc | never |
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| 12:41.49 | amine | well, the current latest. |
| 12:41.56 | amine | which is.. 2.6.21.3 i believe. |
| 12:41.57 | petemc | again, never |
| 12:42.02 | tnks | From the descripts mach looks very similar to rpmstrap. Does anyone know of a reason to chose one over the other? |
| 12:42.06 | amine | why not? |
| 12:42.15 | petemc | amine: stable doesnt get updated software, only security updates |
| 12:42.30 | tnks | (or are mach and rpmstrap not as similar as I think they are?) |
| 12:42.50 | petemc | amine: you can use backports |
| 12:42.52 | amine | so stable will forever and ever remain at the current kernel image? |
| 12:43.29 | sep | amine, it's kinda the reason it's called "stable", and you can depend on it not to shake the ground your biulding your house of cards on. |
| 12:43.49 | chemaja1 | To the people working on Debtags: you freakin' rule |
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| 12:43.59 | sep | amine, security issues will be backported to that kernel version. other then that yes, that's correct |
| 12:44.02 | amine | sep: i just figured that every new release, it would grab the latest.. kernel stable |
| 12:44.14 | petemc | incorrect |
| 12:44.14 | bahadunn | what up hommies |
| 12:44.19 | chemaja1 | packagesearch -- killer. app. for. Debian. |
| 12:44.34 | amine | okay, well, im getting kernel panics trying to install this latest kernel. anyone want to help out? |
| 12:44.45 | chemaja1 | bahadunn, aah more cheerful today i see |
| 12:44.47 | sep | amine, when lenny is released it will get a new kernel. for stable you use backports or roll your own if the stable one dont support your hardware |
| 12:44.53 | bahadunn | chemaja1: yeah |
| 12:44.57 | bahadunn | amine: what kernel? |
| 12:45.00 | petemc | amine: look for a backported kernel image, or recheck your config |
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| 12:45.15 | petemc | you've most likely left out something essential |
| 12:45.32 | bahadunn | amine: first think to check is filesystem support |
| 12:45.50 | amine | well, i just loaded the stable .config file and compiled |
| 12:46.09 | petemc | amine: then its probably initrd related |
| 12:46.09 | bahadunn | amine: maybe you have reiserfs but no reiserfs support in kernel or the module is not loading in the ramdisk during boot |
| 12:46.19 | bahadunn | amine: you might need to create an initrd image |
| 12:46.30 | amine | it said something about devfs. |
| 12:46.33 | amine | i wish i had it here, sec. |
| 12:46.54 | petemc | amine: you cant really guess how to do this stuff |
| 12:47.06 | petemc | well, you can try - but you'll fail |
| 12:47.21 | amine | pivot_root error which caused a series of other errors, and it mentioned cannot mount because devfs is unknown type |
| 12:47.36 | amine | and i do have a initrd image setup |
| 12:48.07 | petemc | amine: how did you create the initrd? |
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| 12:48.26 | amine | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=4468 <-- steps i followed to compile the kernel manually |
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| 12:48.50 | amine | for initrd, it was mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.x.x.x 2.x.x.x |
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| 12:49.02 | amine | I also added it into m menu.lst (grub) |
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| 12:49.04 | petemc | mkinitrd is deprecated |
| 12:49.07 | petemc | has been for a while |
| 12:49.19 | amine | ah. |
| 12:49.28 | amine | i could not find any other tutorials. care to link me to one please? |
| 12:50.30 | petemc | i stopped compiling kernels years ago |
| 12:50.53 | amine | i need this latest one because of its built in alsa support for my card |
| 12:51.05 | petemc | !kp mantra |
| 12:51.05 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 12:51.26 | bahadunn | I compile kernels all the time |
| 12:51.33 | bahadunn | but I dont use initrd ;) |
| 12:51.52 | vchrizz | heh yap |
| 12:51.54 | vchrizz | true |
| 12:52.01 | petemc | in some situations, its essential |
| 12:52.14 | bahadunn | petemc: like when? |
| 12:52.56 | tnks | looks like mach is more uptodatethan rpmstrap |
| 12:53.04 | petemc | if you need to load support for a raid controller |
| 12:53.16 | bahadunn | petemc: compile it into the kernel |
| 12:53.28 | bahadunn | petemc: I do that all the time and have no initrd |
| 12:53.42 | petemc | fantastic, there are still situations when that isnt sufficient |
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| 12:53.49 | petemc | despite what you say |
| 12:54.15 | amine | the default installation of debian came with a initrd, so i figured i needed one. |
| 12:54.26 | amine | i also didn't append --initrd like it said, that could be the problem |
| 12:55.00 | bahadunn | petemc: like when? |
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| 12:56.05 | Shadur | ... Why the hell does gnome-settings-daemon like to chew 100% CPU time? |
| 12:56.08 | petemc | if i could remember, id have said already |
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| 12:57.48 | amine | this may sound silly, but the make-kpkg simply created a .deb package, does debian.org or any official organization hold full precompiled kernels of the version i want so i can simply get the .deb and set it up? |
| 12:57.51 | nvz | Shadur: uses less that 1% here, maybe you should attach a tracer and find out |
| 12:58.08 | petemc | amine: look for a backport |
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| 12:58.31 | RaphaelZ | alrighty, I'm updating my apache to the newest version but I'm not sure where to get |
| 12:58.32 | RaphaelZ | it |
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| 12:58.47 | RaphaelZ | what should I add to the source list? Debian etch as os |
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| 13:00.29 | nakeee | there isn't nonfree anymore right? |
| 13:00.40 | streuner | no |
| 13:00.51 | streuner | non-us |
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| 13:01.05 | Ramattack | hi all! |
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| 13:01.24 | Ramattack | is it possible to install a tomar apache server with debian official repositories on stable version? |
| 13:01.31 | nakeee | oh |
| 13:01.40 | nakeee | I remember non-something was cancelled:) |
| 13:01.41 | RaphaelZ | nakeee: woot? there aren't free sources for the newest apache? |
| 13:02.12 | nakeee | RaphaelZ, they still didn't fix that apache gpl issue? |
| 13:02.30 | RaphaelZ | ? |
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| 13:03.12 | nakeee | there were some problems with the GPL and the apache license not being compatible |
| 13:03.20 | Ramattack | anyone who know this please? or anyone knows if it's possible |
| 13:03.46 | RaphaelZ | nakeee: but is the newest version available in some source? |
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| 13:06.12 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:06.12 | dpkg | -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.registered] by mentor |
| 13:06.21 | tmroland | how do i start BitTornado text mode curses interface bittorent client, after i've installed the bittornado package |
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| 13:09.17 | liable | user_: btdownloadcurses is a start, type bt<tab><tab> |
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| 13:11.55 | milez | how do i enable more debconf output at boot time? i'm trying to find out why it hangs |
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| 13:13.36 | ShredZ | If I accidently entered a proxy server during install, how can I remove it now that I don't want to use it anymore ? |
| 13:14.15 | RaphaelZ | what's a lamp version of the etch? |
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| 13:17.11 | Greyscale | You know the etch installer lets you select things like Window Manager, Laptop, Base System, etc? How do I use that again? |
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| 13:17.29 | tarzeau | Greyscale: tasksel? it's only there at install time |
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| 13:17.45 | abrotman | but you can install tasks afterwards |
| 13:17.45 | ShredZ | !tell ShredZ proxy |
| 13:17.49 | Greyscale | running tasksel still works o_O |
| 13:17.51 | abrotman | !tell ShredZ about msg the bot |
| 13:18.01 | abrotman | Greyscale: that's normal |
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| 13:18.48 | Quintin | I can't install LILO or GRUB from the debian CD ... wtf? :) |
| 13:19.14 | cast | bios bootvirus protetion? |
| 13:19.42 | ShredZ | Where are used proxy servers stored on etch ? |
| 13:19.55 | Quintin | there's nothing in the BIOS about MBR protection |
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| 13:21.42 | petemc | ShredZ: look in /etc/apt/ |
| 13:21.53 | tarzeau | how can i recive 10 bytes from a host on udp/27015 using perl? |
| 13:22.21 | ShredZ | petemc, well apt is the thing working, I suspect it tries global traffic through a proxy which causes problems for udp connections |
| 13:22.35 | Greyscale | tarzeau, May I suggest sneakernet? |
| 13:22.56 | Greyscale | :P |
| 13:23.07 | tarzeau | Greyscale: url? |
| 13:23.15 | Greyscale | ... nvm... |
| 13:23.29 | Greyscale | sneaker net... write it down and carry it from terminal to terminal... :P |
| 13:23.37 | Supaplex | bah :P |
| 13:24.05 | tarzeau | Greyscale: you can be glad the items i can pick up here and throw in your direction won't ever reach you |
| 13:24.08 | Supaplex | tarzeau: #perl :) |
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| 13:24.17 | Greyscale | tarzeau, :P |
| 13:24.31 | petemc | tarzeau: does it have to be perl? you couldnt use netcat? |
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| 13:24.50 | tarzeau | petemc: problem is the server on udp is sending forever, and netcat doesn't ever stop (want to do a script) |
| 13:24.51 | petemc | ShredZ: what is global traffic? |
| 13:25.03 | tarzeau | petemc: i can't tell nc to only read 10 bytes then quit... or you tell me |
| 13:25.18 | petemc | nc + tail ? |
| 13:25.21 | tarzeau | petemc: worst case i'll use tcc in interpreter mode |
| 13:25.47 | ShredZ | petemc, I'm suspecting all network traffic is trying to use a proxy when it shouldn't. Cause like on xqf only http masters seem to work and no udp-based games can connect to online servers |
| 13:26.02 | tarzeau | petemc: doesn't work |
| 13:26.15 | tarzeau | petemc: try to read 10 bytes from gnu.ethz.ch 28786/udp using nc+tail |
| 13:26.24 | tarzeau | petemc: if it works, i owe you one beer |
| 13:26.47 | cydork | tarzeau: use socat, it has readbytes options iirc |
| 13:26.59 | tarzeau | cydork: i tried and failed, can you give exact syntax? |
| 13:27.35 | ratschnowski | hello, got some questions about crontab and cronjobs |
| 13:27.50 | ratschnowski | want to have a cronjob done each day at 18h and inserted the following line: |
| 13:28.07 | ratschnowski | #spam |
| 13:28.07 | ratschnowski | 0 18 * * * * root /usr/lokal/skripte/learnspam |
| 13:28.09 | tarzeau | ratschnowski: man 5 crontab |
| 13:28.46 | ratschnowski | i think my syntax is right, but the cronjob is not done |
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| 13:29.07 | Greyscale | put it in the root users crontab |
| 13:29.16 | Greyscale | don't btoher with the root statement. |
| 13:29.23 | Greyscale | I think its just trying to run "root" |
| 13:29.36 | ratschnowski | Greyscale: what do you mean? |
| 13:29.37 | Greyscale | and there are only 5 timing options |
| 13:29.42 | Greyscale | * * * * * program |
| 13:29.56 | ratschnowski | so i delete root ? |
| 13:29.59 | Greyscale | its probably going "lol whut, "root" isn't a program |
| 13:30.14 | ratschnowski | and use only 0 18 * * * * /usr/lokal/skripte/learnspam |
| 13:30.16 | ratschnowski | ? |
| 13:30.17 | abrotman | no |
| 13:30.20 | abrotman | man 5 crontab |
| 13:30.21 | abrotman | read it |
| 13:30.34 | tarzeau | inserting lines is easily done with sed -i, example sed "s,Linux,LUNIX KISS MY SHINY METAL ASS\nLinux,1" /etc/motd |
| 13:30.44 | ratschnowski | ok, i'll do it. is crontab somehow to be reloaded or does it work automatically? |
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| 13:31.09 | liable | tarzeau: you have a bionic ass? |
| 13:32.03 | tarzeau | liable: my name is BENDER |
| 13:32.58 | abrotman | ratschnowski: it will work .. no need to reload cron |
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| 13:38.05 | cydork | tarzeau: interested in 00000000 0a 08 05 80 fd 00 04 ff 30 00 |........0.| ?? |
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| 13:38.32 | svente | hi folks |
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| 13:38.37 | svente | I get conflicts between hisax and properitary fcpci module by avm. I need fcpci for capisuite, but hisax always get´s loaded first. How can I change this |
| 13:38.40 | anne | hello |
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| 13:38.57 | svente | btw, I just installed amd64 |
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| 13:39.56 | anne | i'm looking for a driver for an realtek PCI LAN 8101L |
| 13:41.04 | anne | i find nothing, is someone can help me ? |
| 13:41.06 | tarzeau | cydork: yes exactly |
| 13:41.17 | rahul | anne: maybe google for that product name? |
| 13:41.22 | tarzeau | cydork: you can read 30 bytes to have a bit more (mapname, and escription :) |
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| 13:41.38 | rahul | you know, isn't that buttplug stuff supposed to make searching for drivers unnecessary? |
| 13:41.39 | tarzeau | cydork: it's number of players, protocol, gamemode, time left and maximal players and some other stuff i didn't figure out yuet |
| 13:41.51 | tarzeau | cydork: heh, www.sauerbraten.org, you know |
| 13:41.59 | anne | rahul, i find nothing in google |
| 13:42.14 | bbb | lo all. someone know a tool for testing an ati radeon graphics card? im kinda new to linux and i use debian etch with an ati 9200 SE card. but it does not work properly (direct rendering: no) |
| 13:42.15 | rahul | that's insane |
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| 13:42.35 | rahul | all I know is that I get all kinds of random drivers loaded at startup for devices I don't WANT drivers loaded |
| 13:42.39 | rahul | for |
| 13:42.41 | cydork | tarzeau: heh check /msg |
| 13:42.51 | tarzeau | cydork: no /msg ? |
| 13:43.13 | cydork | tarzeau: check again? |
| 13:45.51 | tarzeau | cydork: thanks |
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| 13:46.27 | cydork | tarzeau: no probs. |
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| 13:50.54 | pablo_ | hi, someone knows how to use unrar-free as a frontend for file-roller? |
| 13:51.37 | tarzeau | can i search and reaplace \0 with sed? |
| 13:53.20 | tarzeau | or can i use some other tool? perl? |
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| 13:54.39 | wols_ | you can always use perl |
| 13:54.49 | tarzeau | wols_: how? i don't know perl |
| 13:54.58 | tarzeau | ok ok #perl |
| 13:55.01 | wols_ | me neither. my brain is not capable of it |
| 13:55.08 | Spyro_boy | *cough* |
| 13:55.19 | Spyro_boy | I think I raped my /etc last night trying to run portage :x |
| 13:55.29 | Spyro_boy | Is there a way I can restore most of it to defaults? |
| 13:55.45 | wols_ | dpkg-reconfigure every single package? |
| 13:55.46 | ratschnowski | still my crontab problem, the cronjobs are not done, could someone verify my crontab: http://www.pastebin.ca/547714 Thx |
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| 13:56.14 | Spyro_boy | I should stop distro-hacking. |
| 13:56.15 | Spyro_boy | :/ |
| 13:56.49 | wols_ | you should stop doing foolish things |
| 13:57.05 | Spyro_boy | heh yeah |
| 13:57.48 | ratschnowski | no one any idea about my crontab problem ? |
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| 13:58.35 | Spyro_boy | ratschnowski, I'd help but I rarely used cron to learn it. |
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| 13:59.07 | Suprano | where can i find the config for the virtual consoles ? |
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| 13:59.16 | tarzeau | Suprano: /etc/inittab ? |
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| 13:59.36 | ratschnowski | Spyro_boy: no worries, just wonder why the jobs are not done, in my opinion the crontab is right |
| 13:59.39 | Suprano | ah ty |
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| 14:00.22 | cydork | tarzeau: sed 's/\x00//g' ? |
| 14:00.23 | endra | hey |
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| 14:00.40 | tarzeau | cydork: also this works perl -pe 's/\0/\n/g' |
| 14:00.44 | endra | just compiled new kernel, and im getting the following error: VFS: cannot open root device sd4 or unknown-block(0,0 |
| 14:00.45 | Spyro_boy | ratschnowski, I guess I'll take a look at it. |
| 14:00.46 | Suprano | tarzeau can i spawn a terminal on a second monitor ? |
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| 14:01.09 | endra | Then it says please append a correct root= boot option, then it says kernel panic - not syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 14:01.10 | tarzeau | Suprano: uh, if you have the program to control the video adapter output, sure |
| 14:01.31 | cydork | tarzeau: aah ok |
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| 14:01.31 | tarzeau | cydork: didn't work btw |
| 14:01.40 | cydork | tarzeau: works here. |
| 14:02.03 | wols_ | endra: kernel-package? |
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| 14:02.20 | wols_ | endra: and as usual: any real reason to compile a kernel? |
| 14:02.20 | Suprano | tarzeau hm no idea... in X it works, but thats s.th. different |
| 14:02.43 | techbee | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.06 | endra | wols_: yes, my required alsa version is only found in the latest kernel. |
| 14:03.36 | wols_ | then use the debian .config file for a start and use make oldconfig |
| 14:03.43 | wols_ | and do you use kernel-package? |
| 14:03.48 | endra | yes, i do. |
| 14:03.56 | endra | the command i used exactly was from dpkg. |
| 14:04.14 | itchi | Hi, if the cd-rom reader is dead, no way to put out the hdd (cause it's RAID5). What are the other ways to 'start' a debian setup? |
| 14:04.32 | endra | wols_: i tried using the .config of my old kernel but it did not work so well, same error. |
| 14:04.46 | endra | wols_: however i did not install a initrd yet and was told that mkinitrd was depreciated. |
| 14:04.55 | endra | wols_: should i recompile with -initrd? |
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| 14:05.04 | rahul | mkinitrd is deprecated, but that doesn't mean initrds are |
| 14:05.21 | rahul | although, I would never have an initrd if I could in any way avoid it |
| 14:05.38 | rahul | endra: if you config the kernel correctly, you don't need an initrd |
| 14:05.48 | wols_ | endra: if you use a kernel config that requires an initrd as you did, of course you need an initrs |
| 14:05.48 | endra | define 'correctly' |
| 14:05.51 | wols_ | *initrd |
| 14:06.03 | rahul | endra: including the things you need to include |
| 14:06.07 | wols_ | if you can, it's usually better to use no initrd but then you need how to configure it properly |
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| 14:06.28 | itchi | There is debian.exe, i dunno if that would work on a NT 4.0 box. I hope it not kill me |
| 14:06.30 | endra | well, i see. all i did really was make menuconfig and selected ALSA, deselected OSS, selected my serial ata firmware, and compiled.. |
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| 14:06.54 | rahul | endra: obviously it won't work, then |
| 14:06.55 | wols_ | endra: searial ata firmware is a certainly no right |
| 14:07.16 | rahul | if that's all you did, there was no real point in compiling a custom kernel |
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| 14:07.36 | rahul | you just made a kernel that works on linus's dev box with your sound card instead |
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| 14:07.53 | endra | rahul: well, you see, i have a hda-intel sound card, and forums said i need to use a specific version of alsa that isn't currently in Etch, but is compiled in the latest kernel. |
| 14:08.08 | rahul | so configure the kernel correctly |
| 14:08.19 | endra | .. i really dont understand what you mean by 'correctly' :P |
| 14:08.25 | endra | should i unselect everything? |
| 14:08.35 | wols_ | compile in(NOT a module) your SATA drivers, your filesystems, your network card |
| 14:08.47 | wols_ | then have the proper kernel parameters and that error won't happen |
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| 14:08.57 | wols_ | what exacty is your menu.lst line for your new kernel? |
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| 14:09.04 | endra | wols_: i did just that, except maybe not filesystem. |
| 14:09.07 | svente | back again. |
| 14:09.21 | endra | damn it. I hate this bs. it takes 20 minutes to compile :-/ |
| 14:09.25 | svente | still don´t know, how to avoid the hisax-driver to beloaded |
| 14:09.45 | wols_ | endra: it does not the 2nd time around. far frm it |
| 14:09.56 | wols_ | !blacklist |
| 14:09.56 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 14:09.59 | endra | second time? this is my third time compiling it lol. |
| 14:10.13 | wols_ | endra: if it still takes 20 minuts you are doing it wrong |
| 14:10.17 | wols_ | make is a wonderful tool |
| 14:10.22 | ratschnowski | techbee: and for perl? |
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| 14:10.36 | alanhaggai` | Just compiled and installed GTK+ 2.10.12, but how to remove GTK+2.8.20? |
| 14:10.38 | wols_ | endra: you still haven't answered my question |
| 14:10.44 | endra | wols_: and your question was? |
| 14:10.51 | wols_ | alanhaggai`: how did you install the unwatned gtk? |
| 14:10.57 | wols_ | 16:09 < wols_> what exacty is your menu.lst line for your new kernel? |
| 14:11.05 | alanhaggai` | wols_: Through apt-get |
| 14:11.06 | ratschnowski | techbee: do i need to add an extra wild for perl too? first i added the user root befor perl, did not work neither |
| 14:11.13 | wols_ | alanhaggai`: you deinstall it the same way |
| 14:11.43 | alanhaggai` | wols_: I did, but XChat compliing is complaining that the older one is still there. |
| 14:11.55 | svente | dpkg: for hisax the entry must be "install hisax /bin/true" without the " to avoid hisax to be loaded? |
| 14:12.07 | wols_ | alanhaggai`: then you obviously didn't |
| 14:12.10 | rahul | endra: 20 minutes to compile is nothing |
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| 14:12.51 | rahul | sheesh, I remember when it took 1:30 to compile on this one box.... |
| 14:12.51 | endra | wols_: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.21.3-endra root=/dev/sda4 ro\nsavedefault |
| 14:12.51 | alanhaggai` | wols_: But now I can't see any packages. |
| 14:12.51 | rahul | kids these days. |
| 14:12.58 | endra | rahul: .. i come from gentoo so trust me i am quite grateful that its only the kernel that is compiling lol. |
| 14:13.33 | wols_ | endra: what SATA controller? |
| 14:13.48 | endra | wols_: Intel ICH if I recall. |
| 14:14.04 | rahul | endra: did you enable scsi support? |
| 14:14.18 | rahul | because that's needed to get device nodes for sata devices |
| 14:14.24 | endra | rahul: it was on by default |
| 14:14.49 | endra | okay, here is what im going to do. I want to config the kernel from scratch, how do I tell it to unselect everything? |
| 14:14.57 | rahul | heh |
| 14:14.58 | rahul | don't do that |
| 14:15.15 | endra | why not? almost everything is an 'M'.. |
| 14:15.18 | wols_ | endra: that would be stupid |
| 14:15.18 | rahul | go through everything one by one and select or deselect as you go along. |
| 14:15.24 | rahul | endra: so? |
| 14:15.42 | ShredZ | Still nobody that knows why connecting to games on the net always time out after the initial connection was made ? |
| 14:15.48 | wols_ | endra: but you could run "make config". takes ages, just as you want to do |
| 14:16.09 | rahul | ShredZ: no, because they don't |
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| 14:18.47 | EvilGuru | After a recent update my SMTP server is playing up, not supporting authentication - so I am unable to send e-mail |
| 14:19.26 | endra | can someone trigger dpkg again please for me? |
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| 14:19.32 | endra | For the kernel compiling list |
| 14:19.34 | petemc | endra: /msg dpkg foo |
| 14:19.44 | endra | I don't remember the keyword |
| 14:19.46 | EvilGuru | My mail server is Exim 4 and I am unsue of the error, but local sending works, just when other computers try to use it it fails |
| 14:19.49 | petemc | kp mantra |
| 14:19.50 | wols_ | !kp-mantra |
| 14:19.50 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 14:19.56 | endra | thank you |
| 14:20.06 | petemc | EvilGuru: /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 14:20.28 | endra | Guys one more time please, how do I make sure I don't need a initrd? |
| 14:20.37 | techbee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:21.06 | wols_ | by compiling in filesystems, harddisk controllers |
| 14:21.21 | wols_ | endra: any fanciness like raid on / or such? |
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| 14:21.43 | endra | nope. |
| 14:22.19 | endra | On gentoo, all I did was compile in lspci content, filesystems, and sata controller. Same here? |
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| 14:22.25 | suppaman | hello |
| 14:22.35 | EvilGuru | petemc: Thanks, seems that salsauthd was failing and needed to be restarted |
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| 14:22.55 | wols_ | endra: considering it's the same software: yes. but "lspci content" is not needed |
| 14:23.19 | endra | well, it gives me my sata chipset, network cards, etc. |
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| 14:24.10 | wols_ | it also gives you your videocard. bad idea usually to compile that in. or rather: unpossible |
| 14:24.29 | wols_ | same with soundcard |
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| 14:24.51 | endra | right, so, relevant "lspci" content :P |
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| 14:25.46 | suppaman | what print spooler should I install ? |
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| 14:27.51 | suppaman | mm I see I have cupsys and cupsys-common installed |
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| 14:28.06 | suppaman | so I have to install a cupsys-driver-somethign, right ? |
| 14:28.50 | pif | hi, upon logging in my host an ascii art banner displays containing the hostname, how can I disable that? |
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| 14:29.19 | pif | I looked everywhere in /etc and ~/.* files without finding its origin |
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| 14:29.46 | suppaman | pif: a motd ? |
| 14:30.02 | pif | some kind but only displays for root |
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| 14:30.31 | suppaman | how did you search /etc ? |
| 14:30.41 | dogsby | `/part |
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| 14:30.55 | pif | grep -ri hostname /etc |
| 14:31.41 | pif | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.04 | jelly-home | pif: /etc/issue*? |
| 14:32.12 | suppaman | isn't -R recursive ? |
| 14:32.12 | pif | if I ask the guy who installed the box, i'll look like a fool := |
| 14:32.28 | pif | no /etc/issue* |
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| 14:32.45 | simonrvn | mine still has the ubuntu one, even when i fixed it to say Debian; gotta be stored in /var/lib or something |
| 14:32.48 | jelly-home | but you really don't know where it is, so no harm in that |
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| 14:33.06 | pablo___ | hi, is nvu on debian repositoryis? |
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| 14:33.19 | tanaka | hi |
| 14:33.27 | jelly-home | pablo___: packages.debian.org should be able to tell you |
| 14:33.42 | suppaman | woa 70mb to install printconf |
| 14:34.34 | simonrvn | pulling in gimpprint stuff i bet |
| 14:34.41 | pablo___ | jelly-home: yes, it is not, weiard, a well known app not in the repos |
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| 14:34.44 | necrite | hi all |
| 14:34.52 | simonrvn | no i'm not |
| 14:35.23 | suppaman | simonrvn: I'm not really sure what I'm doing |
| 14:35.33 | suppaman | simonrvn: I asked "printer" to dpkg |
| 14:35.53 | suppaman | simonrvn: then went to linuxprinting.org and saw my printer should use gutenprint |
| 14:36.12 | pif | what is the ~/.rnd file in root's directory ? |
| 14:36.12 | suppaman | then I installed printconf (as suggested by dpkg) and I noticed it's installing foomatic-gutenprint |
| 14:36.17 | tanaka | whats the recomended way of installing wine on debian amd64 |
| 14:36.25 | simonrvn | yeh that's the new name for that stuff. used to be called foomatic or something |
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| 14:36.56 | suppaman | which is newer "foomatic" or "gimpprint"? |
| 14:37.25 | suppaman | tanaka: has wine a particular installation ? |
| 14:37.30 | simonrvn | TBH i'm confused about that, gimpprint is some other thing for printing |
| 14:37.37 | suppaman | LinkinTurk: yanar ? |
| 14:37.48 | techbee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:37.49 | jelly-home | !info nvu sid |
| 14:37.56 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 14:37.57 | simonrvn | not in debian |
| 14:38.02 | jelly-home | why? |
| 14:38.06 | pablo___ | !info nvu sid |
| 14:38.13 | LinkinTurk | suppaman, its mean fire. |
| 14:38.14 | LinkinTurk | :) |
| 14:38.14 | simonrvn | no one packaged it? licence sucks? |
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| 14:38.33 | jelly-home | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=nvu;dist=unstable |
| 14:38.42 | simonrvn | tanaka: like everything else... or in a i386 chroot |
| 14:38.44 | pablo___ | simonrvn: it is because of its license? |
| 14:38.46 | suppaman | are you from Turkey ? |
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| 14:39.01 | LinkinTurk | suppaman, yes.. |
| 14:39.13 | suppaman | isn't turkey the farm animal too in english ? |
| 14:39.29 | xand | turkey is a bird yes |
| 14:39.37 | tarzeau | best on a grill |
| 14:39.41 | xand | no, that's wrong |
| 14:39.41 | LinkinTurk | suppaman, yes. :) you right. |
| 14:39.49 | suppaman | how nice |
| 14:39.49 | tarzeau | oven is good too |
| 14:40.01 | himmelstrutz22 | which is the most debian/amarok friendly portable mp3player, with atleast a 8gb chunk of hd? |
| 14:40.09 | jelly-home | simonrvn: finding a reason for package removal is a PITA |
| 14:40.11 | suppaman | I think I have to get to US for a thanksgiving day |
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| 14:40.19 | simonrvn | jelly-home: usually ;p |
| 14:40.22 | tarzeau | jelly-home, simonrvn: which do you want removed? |
| 14:40.34 | jelly-home | tarzeau: I want to see why nvu was removed |
| 14:40.40 | pablo___ | jelly-home: why isnt nvu packaged? |
| 14:40.42 | tarzeau | jelly-home: ah. i made a backport of it |
| 14:40.49 | tarzeau | pablo___: it's crap software? |
| 14:40.50 | jelly-home | pablo___: no idea |
| 14:40.51 | simonrvn | *blink* what? i don't want anything removed, i'm just chatting right now |
| 14:41.10 | pablo___ | tarzeau: what do you mean with crap software? |
| 14:41.11 | tarzeau | i make nvu packages for $10 paypal |
| 14:41.15 | tarzeau | pablo___: bad software |
| 14:41.23 | jelly-home | tarzeau: you make backports for crap software? |
| 14:41.28 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 14:41.35 | tarzeau | jelly-home: yeah, because some idiots need the software |
| 14:41.43 | simonrvn | "need" |
| 14:41.46 | tarzeau | jelly-home: you know i have fully automatic backport tool |
| 14:41.50 | tarzeau | jelly-home: so it's 0 effort to me |
| 14:41.56 | tarzeau | simonrvn: yeah i know |
| 14:42.02 | jelly-home | tarzeau: backport from where? |
| 14:42.03 | simonrvn | gimme emacs or vim, some syntax highlighting and i'm happy ;p |
| 14:42.04 | pablo___ | tarzeau: can it be included? or for some reason it has been omited? |
| 14:42.06 | tarzeau | jelly-home: from sid |
| 14:42.16 | jelly-home | I see it not in sid. |
| 14:42.18 | tarzeau | pablo___: sure, will you send me 10 paypal dollars? |
| 14:42.24 | tarzeau | jelly-home: it was there one time |
| 14:42.33 | simonrvn | paypal has its own currency now? |
| 14:42.34 | pablo___ | tarzeau: i will try to do it |
| 14:42.37 | simonrvn | :P |
| 14:42.40 | tarzeau | jelly-home: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=gurkan@linuks.mine.nu check the backports part |
| 14:42.44 | pablo___ | tarzeau: to package it myself |
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| 14:42.48 | tarzeau | pablo___: ok |
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| 14:42.57 | tarzeau | pablo___: otherwise my paypal account is gurkan@linuks.mine.nu ;) |
| 14:42.58 | dafe | hi all |
| 14:43.07 | dafe | how can i see wich processes are zobies? |
| 14:43.12 | dafe | zombies |
| 14:43.19 | tarzeau | dafe: man ps |
| 14:43.27 | simonrvn | ps auxw | grep Z |
| 14:43.38 | simonrvn | damn, shouldn't've said that |
| 14:43.42 | tarzeau | pablo___: http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvu.html |
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| 14:45.04 | tarzeau | ericx_2: you have debian, in china? |
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| 14:47.22 | tobi1canobe | hello |
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| 14:47.30 | charlie-jayne | hello |
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| 14:48.05 | waqjan | what is the best place to place an smbmount command if I want it to be run on startup before the webserver starts? |
| 14:48.20 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, I' have report a bug regarding libquictime0 since ~ 4 days about a simple broken depedencies, it's not so complicated to solve this problem but the maintainer doesn't answer (maybe is he in hooliday ?), anyway, is there any solution for me to send the bug to another maintainer ? |
| 14:48.27 | tobi1canobe | I have a server here that doesn't do much work but a lot of noise. Is there a way to control it's fan speed in linux (the fans slow down when looking at the bios)? |
| 14:48.44 | jelly-home | waqjan: um, make it a /etc/fstab entry instead? :-) |
| 14:48.45 | suppaman | how nice |
| 14:48.48 | suppaman | cups running |
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| 14:48.54 | suppaman | and remotely configurable |
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| 14:49.02 | suppaman | now I have to get what IPP is |
| 14:49.03 | tarzeau | tobi1canobe: HP? |
| 14:49.08 | edju | Does fdisk x (expert mode), f (fix partition table) affect the data? |
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| 14:49.17 | tobi1canobe | tabris|away, dell poweredge sc1430 |
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| 14:49.34 | andreas_ | hi |
| 14:49.35 | tobi1canobe | tarzeau, that was for you not tabris|away |
| 14:49.50 | appelza | hi, where does debian store it's .deb's? I've installed from scratch and would like to just copy the .debs from another machine here so I dont have to download them again (if thats even possible?) |
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| 14:50.13 | simonrvn | Fahrenheit: doesn't work that way |
| 14:50.15 | andreas_ | i've installed debian-kde on an R60 Thinkpad and it didn't ask me to choose the prefered time during installation... |
| 14:50.18 | jelly-home | appelza: /var/cache/apt/archives is where the downloaded packages are stored |
| 14:50.24 | tarzeau | tobi1canobe: ask dell? |
| 14:50.25 | appelza | tnx |
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| 14:50.42 | Fahrenheit | simonrvn : so no solution even if the maintainer doesn't answer ? |
| 14:50.44 | andreas_ | this means that my clock runs 2 hours ahead since i'm runing a dualboot with windows |
| 14:50.49 | tobi1canobe | tarzeau, ouch. I was hoping there would be some apt-get magic :( |
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| 14:50.51 | andreas_ | how can i fix that? |
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| 14:50.57 | waqjan | itchi: netboot? floppy? |
| 14:51.06 | waqjan | usb? |
| 14:51.08 | tarzeau | tobi1canobe: if dell says how i can program their fans... |
| 14:51.30 | Fahrenheit | simonrvn: it's too bad that kino isn't installable since a lot of days just because of an unupdated depedencies |
| 14:51.31 | tobi1canobe | tarzeau, because they don't generally? |
| 14:51.40 | tarzeau | tobi1canobe: i write you the software , and make a package for 20 paypal dollars |
| 14:51.51 | tarzeau | tobi1canobe: dunno, i don't have dell. try google or their webpage |
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| 14:52.15 | tarzeau | Fahrenheit: you can always fix a package yourself |
| 14:52.19 | tobi1canobe | tarzeau, ok, thanks |
| 14:52.30 | simonrvn | Fahrenheit: stick the thing on hold (/msg dpkg hold) |
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| 14:52.36 | appelza | jelly-home: and it should be just as simple as copying the files over, and apt will use them instead of downloading (provided they are the correct version) ? |
| 14:52.37 | tarzeau | !UTSL |
| 14:52.37 | dpkg | i heard utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
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| 14:52.45 | Fahrenheit | simonrvn : ok thx |
| 14:52.47 | fanen | hi |
| 14:52.51 | fanen | i'm using debian sid |
| 14:52.59 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 14:52.59 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 14:53.00 | fanen | i need to install fglrx |
| 14:53.01 | suppaman | cups setup via http isn't working that well |
| 14:53.09 | fanen | i'm trying to use module-assistant |
| 14:53.14 | tarzeau | fanen: so what? do you think anyone in here supports sid? |
| 14:53.19 | fanen | but the kernel module fails to build |
| 14:53.25 | jelly-home | appelza: if the same files exist on your mirror, yes |
| 14:53.32 | charlie-jayne | My debian computer can't seem to hold on to downloads and I can't figure out why. Does anyone have any answers? |
| 14:53.33 | fanen | can anyone help? |
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| 14:53.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: need backup... |
| 14:53.46 | dc2447 | in apt how can I make apt forget about updates it has received via apt-get update? I did apt-get update and have unmet dependcies |
| 14:54.08 | appelza | cool. |
| 14:54.09 | charlie-jayne | dc2447: use a gui |
| 14:54.10 | simonrvn | if you're using sid, it's assumed you know what you're doing. if you don't you shouldn't be using it in the first place. |
| 14:54.21 | tarzeau | dc2447: update doesn't do stuff with dependencies |
| 14:54.28 | fanen | yeah yeah |
| 14:54.34 | fanen | just asking if anyone has experienced a similar problem |
| 14:54.40 | tarzeau | fanen: no, works fine for me |
| 14:54.41 | fanen | and fixed it |
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| 14:54.44 | marinka | hi there, recently i have been unable to 'insmod' any external modules, gives me a segmentation fault every time, though modprobing works. this happens with ipw2200 driver (built outside of the kernel) and vmware, the worst part is vmware's cannot be modprobed (as far as i know) unlike ipw2200. i know it's not the kernel, cause i tried several including the one that came with debian 4.0 on a cleanly installed system. is there a problem with any |
| 14:54.44 | marinka | of the packages, like the one that provides insmod binary? |
| 14:54.51 | tarzeau | fanen: but support for sid is not allowed here #debian-sid *hint* |
| 14:54.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
| 14:54.55 | dc2447 | I am running debian on a mips linkstation - I have no gui |
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| 14:55.02 | marinka | anybody has similar problems? |
| 14:55.03 | itchi | waqjan: Thanks, dunno why, but the cd rom have boot :-) I suspect some crap in the reader, the comp is not that clean |
| 14:55.09 | simonrvn | "not allowed"? |
| 14:55.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: you never played counterstrike, eh? |
| 14:55.14 | tarzeau | simonrvn: yes |
| 14:55.20 | tarzeau | simonrvn: as in, forbidden |
| 14:55.21 | thp | dc2447: try aptitude, maybe that can resolve the dependency |
| 14:55.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: i have |
| 14:55.28 | suppaman | mm I edited cupsd.conf added a Listen directive for the ip address of wifi card and the added Allow directive with my ibook 's ip address, is there anything else before I restart cupsys ? |
| 14:55.42 | suppaman | thp: how is aptitude different from apt-get ? |
| 14:55.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: "need backup", "go go go", rings a bell? |
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| 14:55.48 | simonrvn | i know what it means, i'm not stupid or a child... |
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| 14:55.49 | suppaman | thp: I mean name apart |
| 14:55.58 | dc2447 | tarzeau: apt-get update gets a list of the latest packages - if I then do apt-get update it will try and apply those changes - I don't want apt to try and apply those changes |
| 14:56.09 | tarzeau | dc2447: you mean upgrade |
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| 14:56.17 | bahadunn | I sure miss the apache2-ssl-certificate script |
| 14:56.18 | dc2447 | sorry - yes upgrade |
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| 14:56.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: haven't played in years |
| 14:56.29 | thp | suppaman: aptitude can resolve the dependencies better |
| 14:56.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe it was rainbow6 |
| 14:56.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: neither have i (too laze to boot into windows) |
| 14:56.53 | dc2447 | actually I should just use dpkg to fix this |
| 14:57.04 | marinka | anybody knows why insmod would be segfaulting on two different drivers? |
| 14:57.10 | thp | suppaman: it also keeps track of packages pulled in automatically and can remove them when the depending package gets removed |
| 14:57.15 | abrotman | marinka: use modprobe |
| 14:57.43 | fanen | is there a #debian-sid? |
| 14:57.46 | marinka | i do with ipw2200 but vmware has a script which i cannot really modify to use modprobe instead |
| 14:57.46 | tarzeau | fanen: yes |
| 14:57.48 | fanen | tarzeau |
| 14:57.49 | fanen | were you able to build the kernel module? |
| 14:57.49 | thp | dc2447: maybe "aptitude upgrade" or just "aptitude" (interactive mode) can help? |
| 14:57.51 | fanen | hmmm |
| 14:58.12 | marinka | is it a known problem with insmod? |
| 14:58.12 | suppaman | thp: the latter is a great feature, isn't there a way to have that behaviour with apt-get ? |
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| 14:58.26 | dc2447 | thp: yes - the problem is my box only supports 2.4 kernel and apt is going to try and install 2.6 updates |
| 14:58.35 | abrotman | marinka: use modprobe .. no one should be using insmod anymore |
| 14:58.38 | tarzeau | fanen: yes |
| 14:58.39 | fanen | tarzeau: i do module-assistant a-i fglrx |
| 14:58.46 | tarzeau | fanen: yes, so do i |
| 14:58.50 | thp | dc2447: put the packages on hold with aptitude and "=" on the relevant packages |
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| 14:59.19 | thp | suppaman: don't think so - use aptitude if you want that |
| 14:59.19 | tarzeau | fanen: here's what i use www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 14:59.19 | fanen | and the build fails, complaining about a symbol misuse in the code |
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| 14:59.20 | suppaman | mm linuxprinting.org tell me to use BJC-7000 ppd and to find driver there |
| 14:59.26 | tarzeau | fanen: you have the same compiler version like you used for your kernel? |
| 14:59.29 | suppaman | I follow the link to BJC-7000 but I am not able to find the ppd |
| 14:59.36 | dc2447 | will give that a go thp: |
| 14:59.38 | marinka | abrotman: it is not my personal preference to use insmod, but some programs insist on using insmod or stopping install process completely. |
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| 14:59.42 | suppaman | and cups http interface is asking me for the ppd file |
| 14:59.51 | tarzeau | fanen: and the right linux-headers? |
| 15:00.03 | marinka | i mean, if the binary is there, shouldn't it still be possibly to use it? |
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| 15:01.19 | marinka | abrotman: i worked fine for me up until some point, i suspect it was a system upgrade that killed it. the same thing happened on another box that has exact same problem |
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| 15:01.45 | fanen | yes. |
| 15:01.48 | fanen | tarzeau: yes |
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| 15:02.00 | marinka | abrotman: if i wanted n older version of insmod, which package is it in? |
| 15:02.24 | fanen | i used module-assistant for ipw3945 |
| 15:02.24 | fanen | worked perfectly |
| 15:02.32 | fanen | but fglrx isn't working |
| 15:02.32 | tarzeau | fanen: yes rly |
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| 15:02.39 | tarzeau | fanen: rly works here |
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| 15:02.48 | fanen | what version of the drivers did you build? |
| 15:03.00 | appelza | what package do I install to get a /usr/src/linux symlink ? (kernel-headers or something) |
| 15:03.15 | suppaman | damn, they provide rpm |
| 15:03.23 | maxamillion | suppaman: alien :) |
| 15:03.25 | tarzeau | fanen: ati-driver-installer-8.33.6-x86.x86_64.run |
| 15:03.37 | bahadunn | how are ati drivers these days? |
| 15:03.44 | tarzeau | appelza: you can make that link yourself with ln -s |
| 15:03.47 | tarzeau | bahadunn: like shit |
| 15:03.55 | tarzeau | bahadunn: as always |
| 15:03.56 | bahadunn | tarzeau: guess ill stick with nvidia |
| 15:04.02 | tarzeau | bahadunn: definitely! |
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| 15:04.12 | fanen | mine are the ones in debian repositories |
| 15:04.13 | fanen | 8.35.** |
| 15:04.20 | bahadunn | tarzeau: amd had said recently that they were going to vastly improve ati graphic drivers and possibly open source them |
| 15:04.32 | tarzeau | bahadunn: let's write to the amd/ati guys about it? |
| 15:04.33 | tarzeau | !ati |
| 15:04.33 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com |
| 15:04.45 | tarzeau | bahadunn: i searched the guys email and put it into !ati |
| 15:04.45 | appelza | im trying to compile the madwifi driver and I get this on' |
| 15:04.45 | abrotman | marinka: you don't want insmod *ever* |
| 15:04.48 | abrotman | !insmod |
| 15:04.48 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 15:04.49 | appelza | make': /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build: No such file or directory |
| 15:04.54 | appelza | what package should I install? |
| 15:05.05 | abrotman | !tell appelza about search |
| 15:05.05 | tarzeau | fanen: and you wonder why they don't work? |
| 15:05.11 | tarzeau | fanen: hehe you're funny :) |
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| 15:05.21 | suppaman | have to go |
| 15:05.24 | suppaman | see you |
| 15:05.53 | marinka | but i need vmware and it has to use insmod to load drivers |
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| 15:06.02 | fanen | tarzeau: i've tried a lot of them |
| 15:06.05 | abrotman | marinka: no .. it doesn't |
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| 15:06.13 | fanen | these ones have come closest to building. |
| 15:06.19 | wols_ | marinka: you are vrey mistaken on several fronts I guess |
| 15:06.33 | fanen | 8.28.* used to faile with 'source code errors' |
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| 15:07.02 | fanen | was just wondering if there was some kind of way of making m-a ignore some kinds of errors. |
| 15:07.24 | marinka | abrotman: i'm just trying to install something i need to use. you don't happen to know how to force vmware to install and load their modules with modprobe instead of insmod, do you? |
| 15:07.58 | abrotman | marinka: change the script to do what should have been done in the first place ? |
| 15:08.04 | marinka | abrotman: their scripts are in perl and it really is not my first language |
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| 15:09.04 | abrotman | "Oh .. what a lovely child .. oh .. speaks perl right out of the womb you say!?!?" |
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| 15:09.19 | aMish | What is flexible pop3 proxy that knows to check passing emails with spamd and clamd, and can alsofilter passing emails using other external checkers ? |
| 15:09.27 | tarzeau | fanen: i wonder what you do wrong |
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| 15:09.43 | marinka | abrotman: they do not do 'install' on their drivers before trying to insmod, so 'modprobe vmmon' does not work. where do the driver files have to be for modprobe to find them? |
| 15:09.44 | fanen | tarzeau: this is the build msg: FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only |
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| 15:10.03 | abrotman | somewhere under /lib/ |
| 15:10.12 | abrotman | marinka: you might get more help with vmware in #vmware |
| 15:10.13 | tarzeau | fanen: the last msg? can you post url to full log? |
| 15:10.20 | abrotman | and if they use insmod .. tell them to fix it |
| 15:10.41 | marinka | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:10.53 | fanen | tarzeau: lemme see if i can upload it quickly |
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| 15:11.13 | fanen | btw, can't i send it to you in a pm? |
| 15:11.19 | tarzeau | fanen: no |
| 15:11.21 | tarzeau | fanen: i hate pm |
| 15:11.36 | fanen | its so much easier... |
| 15:11.36 | tarzeau | fanen: wait, a/s/l? |
| 15:11.45 | fanen | ha ha |
| 15:11.50 | fanen | won't tell. |
| 15:11.58 | fanen | if that's a precondition, have fun. |
| 15:11.59 | atealtha | with the linux-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver kernel, I can run both xen and vserver VMs? |
| 15:12.06 | maxamillion | tarzeau: this isn't a fucking AOL chat room!!! :P |
| 15:12.12 | tarzeau | !room |
| 15:12.12 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 15:12.20 | bahadunn | !room |
| 15:12.26 | tarzeau | maxamillion: o rly? |
| 15:12.30 | jelly-home | tarzeau: that's what he said. |
| 15:12.41 | bahadunn | dpkg: smartass |
| 15:12.41 | dpkg | well, smartass is an ass is only as smart as its masster |
| 15:12.58 | bahadunn | dpkg: you are a smartass |
| 15:12.58 | dpkg | bahadunn: what are you talking about? |
| 15:13.00 | maxamillion | tarzeau: yes ... i believe so, or if it is then i am in the wrong place |
| 15:13.05 | bahadunn | dpkg: about how you are a smartass |
| 15:13.05 | dpkg | bahadunn: okay |
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| 15:13.13 | bahadunn | uh |
| 15:13.14 | tarzeau | maxamillion: you know, i know, i was just kidding |
| 15:13.24 | abrotman | bahadunn: removed :) |
| 15:13.27 | tarzeau | maxamillion: oh i just seen your :P too :) |
| 15:13.33 | bahadunn | I know that okay was not an ack to a command |
| 15:13.34 | maxamillion | tarzeau: ;) |
| 15:13.36 | bahadunn | :) |
| 15:13.43 | bahadunn | I mean I hope it was not |
| 15:13.48 | maxamillion | lol |
| 15:13.49 | abrotman | bahadunn: you told it something .. are ~= is |
| 15:13.53 | tarzeau | fanen: did you read /topic ? |
| 15:14.01 | bahadunn | ah |
| 15:14.05 | bahadunn | ooops |
| 15:14.18 | fanen | tarzeau: don't be a sucker for rules pls. |
| 15:14.22 | jelly-home | dpkg, I are baboon |
| 15:14.22 | dpkg | ...but i is already something else... |
| 15:14.36 | fanen | tarzeau: if you can't help, just say so. |
| 15:14.41 | tarzeau | fanen: i can't help |
| 15:14.48 | tarzeau | fanen: well no, i can, but i don't want to |
| 15:14.53 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 15:14.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 15:14.53 | fanen | tarzeau: if you got a better place to recommend, suggest. |
| 15:15.03 | tarzeau | fanen: and the reason simply is that ati fglrx is not free software |
| 15:15.12 | tarzeau | fanen: yes, the !ati email address , i told so already |
| 15:15.15 | tarzeau | !ati |
| 15:15.15 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com |
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| 15:15.29 | tarzeau | fanen: there's even #ati and the fglrx-driver script i gave you |
| 15:15.34 | tarzeau | fanen: but you are ignoring all hints |
| 15:15.36 | abrotman | !tell fanen about fglrx one-liner |
| 15:15.40 | jelly-home | fglrx-driver in stable and testing is very old. |
| 15:15.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: he doesn't want to know |
| 15:15.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: if you're not gonna help .. zip it |
| 15:15.49 | fanen | tarzeau: now you |
| 15:15.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: i did, but he doesn't get it? |
| 15:15.58 | fanen | re talking. |
| 15:15.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: just stop ... |
| 15:16.01 | fanen | so i'm off to #ati now |
| 15:16.04 | abrotman | fanen: stop talking to tarzeau |
| 15:16.07 | stew | fanen: which gpl only symbol is it complaining about? |
| 15:16.25 | bahadunn | zip what? |
| 15:16.30 | fanen | stew: symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 15:16.35 | tarzeau | bahadunn: i prefer lzma or gzip |
| 15:16.43 | stew | fanen: that will no longer be gpl only in the next version of the kernel |
| 15:16.44 | bahadunn | tarzeau: I like bzip2 myself |
| 15:16.48 | bahadunn | tarzeau: use it all the time actually |
| 15:16.51 | tarzeau | bahadunn: i don't. is very slow |
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| 15:16.57 | bahadunn | tarzeau: I use it to zip and unzip things |
| 15:16.58 | jelly-home | fanen: you'll have to disable paravirtualization in the kernel, afair |
| 15:17.02 | fanen | stew: anything i can do about it atm? |
| 15:17.08 | bahadunn | tarzeau: it has better compression though and you know it |
| 15:17.10 | tarzeau | bahadunn: i avoid zip/bzip2 , both very slow |
| 15:17.18 | fanen | jelly-home: how can i do that? |
| 15:17.19 | tarzeau | bahadunn: lzma has even better one, and faster than bzip2 |
| 15:17.22 | stew | fanen: what jelly-home said |
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| 15:17.31 | bahadunn | tarzeau: maybe I will change my zipper to lzma then |
| 15:17.32 | stew | fanen: or you can use the free drivers |
| 15:17.44 | bahadunn | tarzeau: as long as I can zip and unzip thats what matters |
| 15:17.56 | tarzeau | bahadunn: you can. nobody can stop you! |
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| 15:18.03 | fanen | jelly-home: i can even edit the code, if that's a wise choice |
| 15:18.03 | artur | Hi |
| 15:18.04 | fanen | jelly-home: the ati code that is... |
| 15:18.07 | bahadunn | tarzeau: good |
| 15:18.08 | jelly-home | fanen: it means building your own kernel from source without that option |
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| 15:18.11 | bahadunn | tarzeau: I dont like being stopped |
| 15:18.18 | fanen | stew: its an ati x1600 |
| 15:18.20 | artur | i want install debian lenny and i have some questions about it |
| 15:18.24 | fanen | stew: not supported by free drivers. |
| 15:18.33 | tarzeau | /etc/init.d/bahadunn start |
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| 15:18.52 | artur | lenny is good to Desktop PC? |
| 15:19.00 | tarzeau | artur: no, it's testing |
| 15:19.03 | bahadunn | tarzeau: thats not a bad idea |
| 15:19.06 | stew | fanen: it should be supported by vesa |
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| 15:19.31 | artur | tarzeau, i know but testing is good for me ;] |
| 15:19.37 | artur | lenny isnt unstable :D |
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| 15:20.08 | stew | artur: if you mean unstable as an adjective, then yes, it is unstable |
| 15:20.50 | artur | stew, what version of debian do you use :D? |
| 15:21.03 | stew | artur: sarge, etch, lenny and unstable |
| 15:21.12 | jelly-home | fanen: it's CONFIG_PARAVIRT (make menuconfig -> Kernel hacking -> Paravirtualization support) |
| 15:21.12 | artur | all ? |
| 15:21.16 | stew | artur: yes |
| 15:21.30 | fanen | jelly-home: is there a way to modify the code so that it behaves differently? or a compiler switch? i can read C code |
| 15:21.30 | fanen | stew: vesa doesn't give me the full resolution |
| 15:21.30 | fanen | stew: vesa gives me 1400x1050 (messed up aspect ratio) |
| 15:21.30 | bahadunn | mmmmm green tea |
| 15:21.42 | stew | fanen: i'm suprised it gives you that much |
| 15:21.57 | fanen | jelly-home: not talking about building a new kernel. will prefer not to |
| 15:22.19 | fanen | jelly-home: will 2.6.22 have the paravirt thing free? |
| 15:22.34 | fanen | stew: real res is supposed to be 1680x1050 |
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| 15:22.36 | stew | fanen: you would need to rebuild your kenrel, or use an older kenrel without paravirtualization |
| 15:22.47 | thp | fanen: if it's not a laptop, get a card with free drivers.. i'm happily using a intel card with AIGLX running nice on free drivers =) |
| 15:22.49 | stew | fanen: it already is free, the thing you are trying to compile against it isn't |
| 15:23.04 | fanen | thp: its a laptop |
| 15:23.22 | thp | fanen: get another laptop with an intel card, then ;) |
| 15:23.34 | fanen | stew: that's not what i meant, i meant will the *.22 kernel be less picky about paravirt? |
| 15:23.40 | stew | fanen: yes |
| 15:24.08 | stew | (at least that is what I have heard, i have no actual confirmation of this) |
| 15:24.14 | fanen | stew: good, cos *.22 is close to being released |
| 15:24.15 | fanen | stew: i can wait for it to get into sid |
| 15:24.42 | fanen | stew: on the vesa thing, you can get high resolutions with vesa if you chose them wisely |
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| 15:24.59 | abrotman | vesa only does 800x600 or less |
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| 15:25.04 | jelly-home | or if the VESA BIOS supports those high res |
| 15:25.08 | wfq | hey |
| 15:25.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: !true |
| 15:25.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: i've never seen one that does higher |
| 15:25.23 | fanen | stew: for instance, you can always get your full vertical res, but you have to use the highest horiz res, matching your max vert res |
| 15:25.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: now find out where my OID went! |
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| 15:25.51 | wfq | do you know what debian-package i have to install to get the command apache2-ssl-certificate? I am following a tutorial but no package that this aticle says it gives me that |
| 15:25.53 | jelly-home | abrotman: lemme install the driver, I bet it'll work well on this i915. |
| 15:25.59 | jelly-home | .. or not |
| 15:26.00 | fanen | stew: eg, on my screen is 1680x1050 |
| 15:26.00 | abrotman | wfq: make-ssl-cert |
| 15:26.09 | fanen | max v res is 1050 |
| 15:26.19 | fanen | max horiz res associated with 1050 is 1400 |
| 15:26.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: if you can get VESA to find my OID .. i'll be happy :) |
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| 15:26.27 | fanen | but the aspect ratio isn't cool |
| 15:26.32 | jelly-home | abrotman: if vesafb works with native res, I don't see why X wouldn't. |
| 15:26.37 | fanen | it's giving me 4:3 on a 16:9 screen!!! |
| 15:26.51 | jelly-home | fanen: it's not 16:9. |
| 15:27.14 | jelly-home | (it's 16:10 :-) |
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| 15:27.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: also, I have no idea what OID means in this context |
| 15:28.13 | stew | echo "scale=2; (1400 / 16) * 10" | bc -> 875.00 |
| 15:28.24 | wols_ | I have a single PC (with 2 screens but one videocard).can I have 2 local consoles somehow? |
| 15:28.31 | stew | its 4:3 |
| 15:28.39 | stew | oh, you are talking about the other one |
| 15:28.51 | stew | yeah his is 16:10 |
| 15:29.02 | keith | wols_: framebuffered, maybe |
| 15:29.02 | wols_ | ie two people working at that PC each with their own screen, keyboard and mouse? |
| 15:29.10 | keith | ew |
| 15:29.13 | keith | oh |
| 15:29.18 | wols_ | all I need is webbrowsing andwordprocessing |
| 15:29.20 | keith | you could have two x sessions |
| 15:29.31 | wols_ | one a single card? |
| 15:29.35 | keith | what card? |
| 15:29.36 | thp | wols_: yes if you configure two x servers, but i don't know if this works on a single card |
| 15:29.38 | wfq | abrotman, in my debian stable i can't find this package: make-ssl-cert |
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| 15:29.52 | wols_ | radeon7500 |
| 15:30.26 | wols_ | !find make-ssl-cert etch |
| 15:30.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'make-ssl-cert' (1): (/usr/sbin/make-ssl-cert) in utils/ssl-cert. |
| 15:30.47 | abrotman | wfq: it's not a package |
| 15:30.48 | keith | wols_: i think you can do it |
| 15:30.57 | wols_ | keith: the big question is how? :) |
| 15:31.10 | wols_ | any pointers what to lookf for? |
| 15:31.10 | keith | well, with an nvidia card anyway |
| 15:31.16 | jelly-home | wols_: doubtful the free drivers support it |
| 15:31.20 | keith | if you don't use twinview, you almost get that |
| 15:32.19 | keith | you'll definitely need fglrx |
| 15:32.19 | wfq | oh, you mean me to use instead of using apache2-ssl-certificate? |
| 15:32.19 | wols_ | fglrx is bad... radeon7500 |
| 15:32.19 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:32.19 | jelly-home | fglrx doesn't support those old cards any more |
| 15:32.19 | keith | really? |
| 15:32.19 | keith | haven't used fglrx for a long time |
| 15:32.19 | wols_ | but ignore the card for a bit, how to do it? |
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| 15:32.20 | wols_ | cause if I use a ginle instances (like nvidia drivers would need me to) how to deal with kaeyboard and mouse? |
| 15:32.22 | keith | well, do you have two screens working? |
| 15:32.36 | keith | you need to define multiple keyboard and mouse sections in xorg.conf |
| 15:32.41 | wols_ | s/ginle/single |
| 15:32.57 | wols_ | tha doesn't give me more than a single session |
| 15:33.23 | jelly-home | #xorg might be a better place to ask |
| 15:33.28 | keith | yah |
| 15:33.44 | keith | something like this http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-6345-5287485.html |
| 15:34.05 | keith | but instead of two virtual consoles |
| 15:34.05 | keith | you want it on two screens right? |
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| 15:34.54 | wols_ | yes |
| 15:35.03 | d0uglas | hi. how can i burn a .daa image? |
| 15:35.15 | simonrvn | usually fire works |
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| 15:35.31 | jelly-home | keith: that's not it at all, really. the problem is that X controls the card wholly, I have no idea if it's possible to run a separate X session on the second head |
| 15:35.45 | d0uglas | heh simon |
| 15:35.49 | Ronin | thermite is my prefered choice |
| 15:35.53 | keith | wols_: this might help you http://linuxgazette.net/138/misc/lg/multiple_simultaneous_x_users.html |
| 15:36.01 | stew | jelly-home: aiui it's possible with a limited set of cards |
| 15:36.07 | jelly-home | Ronin: where do you buy it? |
| 15:36.11 | simonrvn | thermite is a bit overkill sometimes, but yes, that works good |
| 15:36.16 | Ronin | jelly-home: make it yourself |
| 15:36.30 | keith | d0uglas: what is a .daa image? |
| 15:36.33 | stew | wols_: i think "multiseat" is the thing you should be googling for |
| 15:37.10 | simonrvn | at a thermite store, they have thermoses too, and those little bugs that look like tranlecuent ants... what's the name again? umm... termites ! |
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| 15:37.20 | simonrvn | lucent* |
| 15:37.39 | rahul | your aunt is a tranny? |
| 15:37.40 | fanen | d0uglas: or : what program created the daa image? |
| 15:37.40 | Ronin | simonrvn: ouch |
| 15:37.53 | jelly-home | simonrvn: and CDs from the Swedish synth-pop band Thermostatic? |
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| 15:38.06 | wols_ | stew: thanks. good search term is half the battle. also "multiterminal" it seems |
| 15:38.11 | endra | gah. |
| 15:38.14 | simonrvn | jelly-home: yup |
| 15:38.20 | simonrvn | Ronin: heh heh |
| 15:38.22 | wols_ | keith: that linuxgazette forum was very helpful thanks |
| 15:38.31 | endra | This will never work. This latest kernel doesnt give me an error message, but instead gives me a screen with random colors. |
| 15:38.56 | keith | i've been hanging out in #ubuntu lately, for kicks |
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| 15:39.14 | keith | i don't really use ubuntu, but it's close enough to debian |
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| 15:39.23 | keith | those people are hilarious though |
| 15:39.36 | keith | they're all like "what's a terminal?" |
| 15:39.46 | simonrvn | rahul: i'm not sure yet. you wanna check for me? |
| 15:39.49 | tdonahue-laptop | hi all, i'm running debian etch on our asterisk server and we seem to be having some problems with the lastest zaptel driver |
| 15:39.53 | jelly-home | heh, xephyr is a nice idea. |
| 15:40.04 | keith | tdonahue-laptop: i have the same setup |
| 15:40.08 | rahul | no thanks |
| 15:40.23 | keith | what sort of problems? |
| 15:40.28 | tdonahue-laptop | keith, is your setup amd64 or i386 |
| 15:40.29 | tdonahue-laptop | ? |
| 15:40.39 | keith | i386 |
| 15:40.59 | tdonahue-laptop | ahhh i'm running amd64 and the zaptel driver keeps causing kernel panics |
| 15:41.13 | keith | might ask in #asterisk |
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| 15:41.38 | tdonahue-laptop | actually what i'm looking for is how to get the panic message redirected to the serial console i setup |
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| 15:42.27 | keith | tdonahue-laptop: http://www.linux.com/howtos/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/index.shtml |
| 15:42.37 | keith | i think it's in there somewhere |
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| 15:45.09 | tdonahue-laptop | i have that setup, and i see the lilo menu open up, but i don't see the kernel messages |
| 15:45.09 | jelly-home | a laptop with a serial port, what luxury |
| 15:45.09 | tdonahue-laptop | :/ |
| 15:45.10 | tdonahue-laptop | jelly-home, yeah, using a usb->serial adapter here :( |
| 15:45.11 | keith | oy |
| 15:45.11 | Ramattack | Hi |
| 15:45.12 | tdonahue-laptop | morning Ramattack |
| 15:45.12 | Ramattack | has anyone installed tomcat with apt? |
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| 15:45.18 | Ramattack | I don't get installing apache tomcat server with apt |
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| 15:45.37 | jelly-home | tdonahue-laptop: somewhat related, I have a screenshot with kernel oops, now have to figure out how to OCR it ;-) |
| 15:45.43 | Ramattack | although I have installed all packages but when you http://localhost:8080 doesn't work |
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| 15:46.08 | tdonahue-laptop | Ramattack, netstat -l show it listening on 8080? |
| 15:46.15 | Ramattack | nope |
| 15:46.28 | Ramattack | and nmap localhost not too :) |
| 15:46.56 | Ramattack | and tomcat is up |
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| 15:47.10 | Ramattack | and in logs there is no any error |
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| 15:47.35 | tdonahue-laptop | jelly-home, my problem is it scrolls way too many screens worth of shiz to catch it with a screen shot |
| 15:48.21 | jelly-home | tdonahue-laptop: I've set up framebuffer, huge resolution (well, native 1280x800) and small letters :-) |
| 15:49.06 | tdonahue-laptop | i'd guesstimate 200+ lines from what i can see scrolling.... thats really really small letters |
| 15:49.31 | jelly-home | tdonahue-laptop: ah, you might have a prettier oops. |
| 15:49.36 | tdonahue-laptop | Ramattack, its not configured to listen on another port anywhere? |
| 15:49.59 | jelly-home | but 160x100 of text can take a lot of 80x25 screenfuls. |
| 15:50.07 | tdonahue-laptop | jelly-home, or it just fails in a more spectacular way |
| 15:50.22 | keith | tdonahue-laptop: you're passing some kernel param like "console=ttyS0,9600n8" or something? |
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| 15:51.17 | kelm | hello all |
| 15:51.20 | jelly-home | I don't think a usb-to-serial dongle is going to be ttyS0, more like ttyUSB0 or something (_if_ it works) |
| 15:51.29 | keith | right, something like that |
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| 15:51.38 | keith | but i doubt it will work... because you don't have USB that early |
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| 15:51.52 | jelly-home | you might if it's compiled in |
| 15:52.07 | Ramattack | tdonahue-laptop not listen seems |
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| 15:52.24 | tdonahue-laptop | jelly-home, the box that is crashing isn't my laptop |
| 15:52.28 | tdonahue-laptop | that is the serial console host |
| 15:52.29 | dBgBdWolf | hi. an apt-get dist-upgrade crashed while upgrading libc; how do i fix my system now? |
| 15:52.47 | tdonahue-laptop | jelly-home, the box that is crashing is a server |
| 15:52.51 | jelly-home | tdonahue-laptop: oh, neverming then :-) |
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| 15:53.11 | pegue_ | hi, i removed my /etc/mpd.conf 'by hand' after a apt-get remove --purge mpd |
| 15:53.14 | pegue_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.25 | pegue_ | any idea? |
| 15:53.34 | jelly-home | dBgBdWolf: do the normal commands work at present? can you run eg. ls or dpkg? |
| 15:53.42 | cydork | pegue_: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:53.44 | keith | ohhhhhh |
| 15:53.47 | keith | that makes it much easier |
| 15:53.53 | jelly-home | !tell pegue_ about confmiss |
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| 15:54.28 | dBgBdWolf | jelly: not really. i've managed to booth from an emergency firmware and mount the disk, but can't run libc-dependant binaries on the disk |
| 15:54.33 | keith | pegue_: dpkg-reconfigure mpd might do it, too |
| 15:54.33 | doublehp | is there a way to list packages installed recently ? let say, last 30 days |
| 15:54.47 | pegue_ | but it doesn't |
| 15:54.51 | doublehp | ( after having run apt-get clean ) |
| 15:54.59 | keith | then try what cydork suggested |
| 15:55.01 | bahadunn | my co-worker explains that he is going to eliminate the need for all scripts in Debian |
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| 15:55.15 | bahadunn | he will write something in ruby to make it happen |
| 15:55.20 | cydork | doublehp: you can check aptitude logs. |
| 15:55.29 | slack403 | anyone here ever use php ........i am missing PEAR stuff .........is thier a debian package forthat ? |
| 15:55.32 | jelly-home | dBgBdWolf: find a working ar and tar, extract data.tar.gz from /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6*deb, then untar it on the root |
| 15:55.35 | doublehp | cydork: not using aptitude, but apt |
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| 15:55.48 | pegue_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.49 | tdonahue-laptop | bahadunn, lol |
| 15:55.50 | GaiaX11 | Anyone has managed to install scribes in etch here? |
| 15:55.54 | cydork | doublehp: then check dpkg logs. |
| 15:56.09 | bahadunn | tdonahue-laptop: :) |
| 15:56.10 | xand | !anyone |
| 15:56.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:56.28 | doublehp | cydork: where are they ? |
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| 15:56.36 | keith | slack403: apt-cache search pear |
| 15:56.39 | cydork | doublehp: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 15:57.08 | keith | slack403: 'apt-cache search pear | grep php' might be more helpful |
| 15:57.23 | slack403 | yea i see a few |
| 15:57.27 | jelly-home | dBgBdWolf: or use a debian-based livecd with working dpkg ;-) |
| 15:57.47 | pegue_ | how do i get info about dpkg confmiss? |
| 15:58.00 | keith | write what you just wrote, but leave the space in the front out this time |
| 15:58.01 | dBgBdWolf | jelly: i wish i could, but this is a ppc almost-embedded system.... |
| 15:58.03 | cydork | !tell pegue_ -about confmiss |
| 15:58.09 | cydork | pegue_: check the msg from dpkg |
| 15:59.05 | dBgBdWolf | can tar extract from deb? |
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| 15:59.11 | pegue_ | i get no missage from dkpg |
| 15:59.26 | jelly-home | pegue_: you made a mistake in apt-get syntax, --purge needed to be before remove <package>; that's why it wasn't purged |
| 15:59.26 | keith | pegue_: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:59.32 | keith | no space in the front |
| 15:59.39 | fanen | dbgbdwolf: you can open .deb files with archive manager if you're using gnome |
| 15:59.57 | pegue_ | \msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:00.01 | jelly-home | dBgBdWolf: no, ar x foo.deb |
| 16:00.08 | dBgBdWolf | aargh |
| 16:00.09 | tdonahue-laptop | god... what is the atraction to have things like tar and nc compiled dynamicly? |
| 16:00.14 | stew | dBgBdWolf: no, tar cant, but "dpkg" can with either -e or -x (man dpkg) |
| 16:00.19 | jelly-home | dBgBdWolf: ... gets you a data.tar.gz |
| 16:00.55 | jelly-home | dBgBdWolf: those are package contents, untar them in your root for great justice |
| 16:01.17 | slack403 | im looking for the file DB.php on my system how can i search for it pretty fast ? |
| 16:01.19 | slack403 | just CL |
| 16:01.27 | keith | pegue_: wrong slash |
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| 16:01.30 | petemc | slack403: /msg dpkg search |
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| 16:01.56 | keith | slack403: 'locate DB.php' |
| 16:02.02 | stew | slack403: man locate ; man updatedb |
| 16:02.03 | Elive_user2 | why was insmod changed to not work unless full path is given |
| 16:02.14 | keith | use modprobe |
| 16:02.26 | Elive_user2 | lol |
| 16:02.31 | jelly-home | Elive_user2: to make your life miserable? |
| 16:02.31 | stoned | http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/index.htm?postversion=2007051409 <-- whats this? MS attaching OSS! |
| 16:02.32 | Elive_user2 | that's not how it works |
| 16:02.43 | Elive_user2 | jelly-home, that is what I thought. |
| 16:02.48 | slack403 | hmmmmmm |
| 16:02.51 | slack403 | didnt find anything |
| 16:02.54 | keith | try locate -i |
| 16:02.56 | dBgBdWolf | i guess i'll have to try that |
| 16:03.00 | Elive_user2 | insmod is used by a bunch of drivers and programs you don't just change it to modprobe |
| 16:03.01 | keith | or if you're really bored, 'man find' |
| 16:03.02 | aMish | I want to change the apt-get mirror. Is there any gui ? |
| 16:03.03 | slack403 | i installed the package php=db but ddint find anything |
| 16:03.06 | tdonahue-laptop | stoned, attacking? |
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| 16:03.25 | stew | Elive_user2: anywhere it is being used should likely be changed |
| 16:03.32 | keith | aMish: what do you think this is, ubuntu? |
| 16:03.35 | jelly-home | Elive_user2: insmod was deprecated a while ago. |
| 16:03.51 | Elive_user2 | steve, no you don't rebuild the infastructure because someone decides to put a fuss over the way a command is run. |
| 16:04.03 | aMish | this is debian4 |
| 16:04.09 | aMish | is debian4 debian ? |
| 16:04.17 | tdonahue-laptop | keith, you said you are using zaptel 1.4.2, right? compiled from the source? |
| 16:04.21 | slack403 | how can i check to see where a package installed its stuff ? |
| 16:04.22 | jelly-home | Elive_user2: you do if "someone" is the author of modutils |
| 16:04.48 | stew | Elive_user2: which particular usage of insmod are you talking about? |
| 16:04.51 | Elive_user2 | jelly-home, I am sorry I didn't know that, along with a bunch of other people I am sure. That even has nothing to do with it. Even if it was depriciated doesn't mean that someone should change it this way so everything else fucks up. |
| 16:05.10 | Elive_user2 | stew, drivers and software. |
| 16:05.16 | stew | Elive_user2: please be more specific |
| 16:05.29 | jelly-home | Elive_user2: but it's not "everything else", it's probably just a couple of non-free drivers. |
| 16:05.32 | stew | Elive_user2: right you deprecate it first, and then after it is has been deprecated for a few years, then possibly you switch the behaviour |
| 16:05.52 | slack403 | wtf |
| 16:05.57 | slack403 | i installed php-db |
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| 16:06.03 | slack403 | but i cant find DB.php anywhere |
| 16:06.07 | keith | tdonahue-laptop: i didn't say. but no, why would you compile from source? |
| 16:06.11 | stew | slack403: if you want to check contents of packages, use dlocate or dpkg -S or dpkg -L |
| 16:06.14 | keith | that's why they invented module-assistant |
| 16:06.15 | Elive_user2 | jelly-home, no I am refering to drivers for wireless cards and vmware. |
| 16:06.23 | stew | Elive_user2: please be more specific |
| 16:06.43 | Elive_user2 | stew, why would you change it's behaviour in such a fucked up way??? that sounds rediculous. |
| 16:06.47 | jelly-home | Elive_user2: vmware sounds non-free to me. |
| 16:06.59 | tdonahue-laptop | keith, force of habit... i've been running it on redhat boxes up till now |
| 16:07.07 | aMish | the founder of debian is chief something at Sun now |
| 16:07.09 | stew | Elive_user2: if you are looking for help fixing something that is using insmod, please be very specific. if you are just here to complain about the fact that insmods behavior is changed, please don't bother. we can't change that |
| 16:07.14 | jelly-home | Elive_user2: in any case, it's not a Debian specific issue |
| 16:07.24 | stew | Elive_user2: why it was changed is beyond the scope of this channel |
| 16:07.34 | pegue_ | colud someone explain me how to use confmiss?? |
| 16:07.45 | Elive_user2 | jelly-home, it is a debian specific issue.. where do you think I got the program from? |
| 16:07.51 | keith | tdonahue-laptop: 'm-a a-i zaptel' or something like that |
| 16:07.52 | stew | Elive_user2: from elive? |
| 16:08.02 | aMish | is there some central mirro url that switched load-bal automatically ? |
| 16:08.02 | keith | a-i = auto-install |
| 16:08.11 | aMish | for debian4 ? |
| 16:08.18 | Elive_user2 | stew, no just because I use elive doesn't mean I use it for my servers etc... I still use debian mirrors. |
| 16:08.29 | aMish | can anybody give me SOME working debian4 mirror ? my local mirror went bust |
| 16:08.40 | keith | where are you? |
| 16:08.43 | aMish | il |
| 16:08.43 | jelly-home | Elive_user2: I _strongly_ doubt that Debian changed the behaviour of module-init-tools from upstream. |
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| 16:08.51 | stew | Elive_user2: anyway, as I have said, if you have a question about some particular piece of software from debian, please ask a specific question |
| 16:08.53 | aMish | i mean, it moved or something |
| 16:08.56 | keith | what is 'il'? |
| 16:09.02 | jelly-home | !il |
| 16:09.02 | dpkg | somebody said il was Israel, home of some truly great people |
| 16:09.02 | aMish | and I DO NOT USE UBUNTU, PLEASE!!! |
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| 16:09.05 | aMish | israel |
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| 16:09.11 | abrotman | aMish: apt-spy can |
| 16:09.14 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 16:09.15 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 16:09.15 | stew | aMish: please loose the caps |
| 16:09.18 | aMish | waitaminute |
| 16:09.23 | stew | err lose |
| 16:09.26 | dBgBdWolf | jelly: actually, i'm not sure it's the libc package that got trashed (though i thought i saw something to that effect). anyway else to confirm it? |
| 16:09.30 | aMish | i need to install something to find working mirror ? |
| 16:09.32 | aMish | that's great |
| 16:09.33 | fanen | aMish: i've never successfully used an il mirror |
| 16:09.33 | fanen | use one from a nearby country |
| 16:09.38 | abrotman | there are two mirrors in israel |
| 16:09.39 | dareth | loose the CAPS of war! oh sorry. *wink* |
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| 16:09.46 | aMish | i an't use arab mirror |
| 16:09.49 | aMish | :-) |
| 16:09.51 | Elive_user2 | stew, why did debian repository change insmod to the new version which screws people's drivers up? |
| 16:10.08 | jelly-home | dBgBdWolf: well. what error do you get trying to chroot to your root? |
| 16:10.08 | abrotman | aMish: jesus there are two israeli mirrors .. use one of them |
| 16:10.10 | keith | if you want stability, run stable |
| 16:10.25 | abrotman | aMish: go http://www.debian.org/mirror/list .. and scroll down |
| 16:10.27 | keith | if you run testing, and you get new insmod, don't complain about it |
| 16:10.34 | fanen | aMish: use tw or jp |
| 16:10.39 | abrotman | use modprobe .. |
| 16:10.48 | abrotman | fanen: he's in israel .. why not use israeli mirrors ? |
| 16:10.49 | jelly-home | Elive_user2: vmware works fine for me on testing, btw. |
| 16:11.02 | aMish | one of them moved or something |
| 16:11.02 | Elive_user2 | jelly-home, yea I fixed that stuff already. |
| 16:11.04 | stew | Elive_user2: becuase it was changed by the upstream authors |
| 16:11.17 | abrotman | aMish: so use the other! |
| 16:11.18 | pegue_ | can someone tell the syntax to use confmiss to reinstall an already install pakage? |
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| 16:11.24 | abrotman | !tell pegue_ about confmiss |
| 16:11.30 | Elive_user2 | stew: Then why was the change included in stable ? |
| 16:11.38 | pegue_ | yea, but that didn't help much |
| 16:11.47 | jelly-home | pegue_: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> ? |
| 16:12.06 | Elive_user2 | stew, my unstable still works fine. |
| 16:12.11 | stew | Elive_user2: becuase debian didn't have any reason to change the code from the upstream authors |
| 16:12.19 | pegue_ | oh... |
| 16:12.23 | stew | !info module-init-tools stable |
| 16:12.25 | stew | !info module-init-tools unstable |
| 16:12.26 | dpkg | module-init-tools: (tools for managing Linux kernel modules), section admin, is important. Version: 3.3-pre4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 80 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
| 16:12.31 | dpkg | module-init-tools: (tools for managing Linux kernel modules), section admin, is important. Version: 3.3-pre11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 77 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
| 16:12.44 | stew | Elive_user2: they are essentially the same version |
| 16:12.54 | jelly-home | pegue_: you did read what dpkg told you, right? :-) |
| 16:12.55 | pegue_ | i thought that ::Options... wolud be somenthing explanatory |
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| 16:13.16 | Elive_user2 | stew, debian had a reason not to piss of people that rely on their distributions, and get screwed when they realize stupid changes have been made for no apparent reason. |
| 16:13.17 | pegue_ | yes, now it does something |
| 16:13.22 | aMish | what is so great about sources.list having no variables |
| 16:13.29 | tdonahue-laptop | keith, i would install from the source instead of m-a because i might want to use a more up to date version of zaptel... like say the 1.4 version instead of the 1.2 version |
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| 16:13.31 | abrotman | isn't there an #elive ? |
| 16:13.52 | aMish | !mirrors |
| 16:13.53 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 16:13.54 | pegue_ | :D |
| 16:13.55 | keith | tdonahue-laptop: okay. can't help you then |
| 16:13.59 | pegue_ | thanks a lot!! |
| 16:14.06 | aMish | !apt-setup |
| 16:14.06 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in etch and later since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
| 16:14.19 | aMish | hmmm |
| 16:14.24 | aMish | !apt-spy |
| 16:14.24 | dpkg | somebody said apt-spy was a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 16:14.32 | jelly-home | Elive_user2: the point is, noone filed a release-critical bug for that problem, so it wasn't fixed. Looks other users weren't bitten by it. |
| 16:14.45 | stew | Elive_user2: again. if you have a specific question fixing some piece of debian software, please ask it. we aren't interested if you are just here to complain. this is hardly a new change, and i haven't seen anyone else complaining about this issue. this change was not made by debian but by the linux kernel authors |
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| 16:14.56 | stew | the point is that it isn't a bug |
| 16:15.00 | stew | not that the bug wasn't filed |
| 16:15.22 | aMish | fanen, if yuo're not in il, why would you use israeli mirror |
| 16:15.29 | jelly-home | stew: if it broke other software in Debian, it'ds be a bug |
| 16:15.55 | Elive_user2 | stew, what I am complaining about is debian for allowing code in stable without make sure it doesn't disrupt systems |
| 16:15.58 | stew | jelly-home: yes. but as of yet, nobody has identified any such software. and I'd argue that the bug is with the other broken software, not with insmod |
| 16:16.02 | jelly-home | stew: whether in module-init-tools or the packages using it in an improper way, that's another question |
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| 16:16.28 | stew | Elive_user2: take a 10 minute break. after that, please keep it constructive |
| 16:16.39 | stew | Elive_user2: as I said, we're here to help you fix problems, not take your complaints |
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| 16:17.44 | SoulChild | Help: I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found... what does this mean ? is that the reason, why 3D apps don't work on my lenny ? |
| 16:18.10 | atealtha | to have stable, testing, and unstable repos I just add them in the sources.list and use the -t flag with apt-get? |
| 16:18.11 | stew | atealtha: its a bad idea to mix stable and non-stable. /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:18.39 | atealtha | stew: well just to grab that package or two which is a better version |
| 16:18.43 | jelly-home | SoulChild: no, that message is unrelated |
| 16:18.56 | stew | atealtha: you should not do that, you should use a backport: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 16:19.24 | SoulChild | jelly: unrelated means ...??? |
| 16:19.26 | jelly-home | SoulChild: meaning I have it too on a card using the same driver, but have accelerated 3D. |
| 16:19.37 | SoulChild | jelly-home: ahh thanks |
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| 16:19.49 | abrotman | stew: rcox has to go back on the boat!!! |
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| 16:20.09 | stew | abrotman: becuase of the bad luck? |
| 16:20.13 | abrotman | yeah :) |
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| 16:21.07 | trunix | hi |
| 16:21.12 | keith | hello |
| 16:21.23 | jelly-home | SoulChild: which card, btw? |
| 16:21.26 | atealtha | stew: noted. thanks |
| 16:22.11 | trunix | what's the difference between debian cdimage 3.1_r6 and 3.1_r6a? |
| 16:22.15 | dBgBdWolf | jelly: i can't chroot in... |
| 16:22.20 | trunix | which one should I download? |
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| 16:22.30 | piper69 | hi all |
| 16:22.37 | SoulChild | is there a programm to check my whole system for errors ??? |
| 16:22.38 | dBgBdWolf | jelly: because chroot doesn't exist in the emergency flash filesystem (sigh) |
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| 16:23.44 | jelly-home | dBgBdWolf: heh. ok then, do you have a /lib/libc.so.6 in the root (not just the symlink, but pointing to a valid file)? :-) |
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| 16:23.58 | SoulChild | can someone explain to me what exactly chroot is or do ,... (i already asked dpkg, but didn't understand) |
| 16:24.00 | dBgBdWolf | yup, i did |
| 16:24.15 | piper69 | i have a problem install debian 3.0 i can't pass Debian base system config ...i keep getting "there was a problem installing the selected software" when i select the desktop enviroment package? please help |
| 16:24.25 | dBgBdWolf | libc.so.6 -> libc-2.5.so |
| 16:24.32 | dBgBdWolf | and also a libc-2.5.so |
| 16:24.49 | jelly-home | dBgBdWolf: can you run it? :-) |
| 16:25.32 | jelly-home | (yes I know it's a library, but it's a working executable too ;-) |
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| 16:26.19 | dBgBdWolf | hmm, never knew that |
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| 16:26.48 | dBgBdWolf | BUG IN DYNAMIC LINKER ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 62: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion |
| 16:26.49 | dBgBdWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.11 | dBgBdWolf | probably due to the emergency filesystem though |
| 16:27.30 | dBgBdWolf | argh, it would probably be so much easier if this thing even had a serial port |
| 16:27.53 | trunix | well, I found the answers myself. Anybody interested, check: http://www.debian.org/CD/releases/ |
| 16:28.32 | jelly-home | dBgBdWolf: hmph. so try the ld.so from the installation too: /lib/ld-2.5.so lib/libc.so.6 |
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| 16:29.02 | jelly-home | dBgBdWolf: I think the new libc6 doesn't work on kernels < 2.6.1 though |
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| 16:29.21 | dBgBdWolf | yeah, exactly... the emergency kernel is 2.4 |
| 16:29.54 | jelly-home | dBgBdWolf: bah, just unpack libc6 once again and hope for the best :-) |
| 16:29.55 | dBgBdWolf | FATAL: kernel too old |
| 16:30.06 | dBgBdWolf | ok, did that :/ |
| 16:30.19 | jelly-home | dBgBdWolf: do you have a newer kernel on the real system? |
| 16:30.34 | dBgBdWolf | hrm |
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| 16:31.16 | dBgBdWolf | :p |
| 16:31.24 | dBgBdWolf | i did the dist-upgrade on a home pc before that |
| 16:31.45 | dBgBdWolf | come to think of it... |
| 16:31.46 | GaiaX11 | Etch has a Gtk2.8 version. And I am downloading Gtk2.10 to compile it. If I do that will my system be messed up |
| 16:31.57 | GaiaX11 | ? |
| 16:31.58 | dBgBdWolf | this is kinda weird |
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| 16:33.06 | cr3 | when debian packages install configuration files for other packages, they are usually very cool to create packages under a .d directory. how does that work with dhcp3-server because there doesn't seem to be a .d directory? |
| 16:33.11 | dBgBdWolf | the boot sequence uses a 2.4.17 kernel first, then uses a kernel module loader.o to load the 2.6.20 kernel |
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| 16:33.24 | dBgBdWolf | could that cause the problem? |
| 16:34.16 | cr3 | dBgBdWolf: I believe that kernel reloading themselves is not recommended |
| 16:34.36 | dBgBdWolf | i guess this becomes really grey. maybe i should just unpack an old filesystem image over this and save the thinking |
| 16:34.42 | dBgBdWolf | thanks guys :/ |
| 16:34.49 | GaiaX11 | Anyone has managed to install scribes in etch here? |
| 16:34.53 | GaiaX11 | Etch has a Gtk2.8 version. And I am downloading Gtk2.10 to compile it. If I do that will my system be messed up? |
| 16:35.40 | slack403 | what grouyp does named run as ? |
| 16:35.44 | slack403 | run in |
| 16:36.16 | jelly-home | GaiaX11: if you install locally built gtk2 over the system one, probably |
| 16:36.20 | keith | slack403: bind? |
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| 16:37.29 | jelly-home | cr3: btw, which packages provide additional config for dhcp3-server? |
| 16:37.32 | keith | GaiaX11: better to move to unstable than to compile gtk2.10 probably |
| 16:37.33 | GaiaX11 | jelly-home: So, do I have to purge gtk2.8 before compiling the 2.10? |
| 16:37.42 | jelly-home | GaiaX11: no, don't do that. |
| 16:38.32 | jelly-home | GaiaX11: just build local stuff in /usr/local if you have to |
| 16:39.36 | GaiaX11 | jelly-home: do you mean to copy the source there and to compile it? |
| 16:40.02 | jelly-home | GaiaX11: have you ever built and installed anything from source? |
| 16:40.28 | keith | he means to specificy /usr/local as a path for the makefile, so you build all of it under /usr/local, instead of the standard location |
| 16:40.31 | keith | ... sort of |
| 16:40.35 | jelly-home | hell, /usr/local is supposed to be the standard location |
| 16:40.57 | jelly-home | at least for autotools based stuff it is |
| 16:41.23 | keith | gtk goes in /usr/lib/gtk-2.0 doesn't it? |
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| 16:41.47 | GaiaX11 | jelly-home: Yes. But only with ./configure; make; make install |
| 16:42.04 | jelly-home | GaiaX11: usually there's a build time setting called "prefix" or "install prefix". Do ./configure --help |
| 16:42.18 | jelly-home | GaiaX11: and make sure that prefix is /usr/local |
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| 16:42.32 | GaiaX11 | jelly-home: Yeah! in the README file. |
| 16:42.56 | keith | GaiaX11: might I ask what the pressing nead for GTK2 2.10 is? |
| 16:42.59 | keith | need |
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| 16:43.25 | jelly-home | keith: <GaiaX11> Anyone has managed to install scribes in etch here? |
| 16:43.48 | keith | ah |
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| 16:44.04 | GaiaX11 | To install Scribes http://scribes.sourceforge.net/index.html |
| 16:44.08 | keith | ... scribes is a text editor? |
| 16:44.11 | jelly-home | GaiaX11: have you taken a look a backports.org to see if someone's ported it? |
| 16:44.23 | juancagt | erm, wierd... my master sound level is controling my sound treble... and the pcm level controls the bass ... |
| 16:44.37 | jelly-home | juancagt: we control your horizontal. |
| 16:44.56 | juancagt | ok... |
| 16:44.56 | keith | GaiaX11: isn't scribes packaged? |
| 16:45.10 | GaiaX11 | I think not. |
| 16:45.16 | jelly-home | !info scribes sid |
| 16:45.19 | dpkg | scribes: (simple, slim and sleek, yet powerful text editor for GNOME), section editors, is optional. Version: 0.3.2.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 712 kB, Installed size: 3431 kB |
| 16:45.51 | keith | GaiaX11: I think so. |
| 16:46.01 | jelly-home | not in stable |
| 16:46.17 | kelm | hello, someone know what packet can i choose (in aptitude for exemple) for installing "gnome-light" (just gnome without soft like gnomebaker,.etc) ? |
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| 16:46.44 | jelly-home | !tell kelm about install gnome |
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| 16:47.21 | keith | jelly-home: it's in etch, isn't it? |
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| 16:47.38 | Greyscale | What was it about Unix Epoch that blows up in 2032? |
| 16:47.42 | jelly-home | keith: um, I just said it wasn't |
| 16:47.48 | jelly-home | Greyscale: 2038 |
| 16:47.56 | Greyscale | 2038 then |
| 16:47.58 | Greyscale | and why? |
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| 16:48.12 | jelly-home | 32 bit integet overflow |
| 16:48.14 | Greyscale | Unix time allows for 130 years D: |
| 16:48.24 | keith | Greyscale: 32 bit number rolls over? |
| 16:48.39 | kelm | thx jelly-home |
| 16:48.45 | kelm | :) |
| 16:48.51 | kelm | good bot |
| 16:49.08 | GaiaX11 | jelly-home: the problem is that. I am in etch and not in testing |
| 16:49.33 | keith | you can just grab scribe from testing or unstable |
| 16:49.40 | Greyscale | keith, I suggest shifting to a 64 bit number then. Obviously. Its just a software change D: |
| 16:50.03 | Greyscale | or a 1024bit digit that can schedule the heatdeath of the universe. |
| 16:50.09 | keith | GaiaX11: add an entry for unstable (or testing) in sources.list |
| 16:50.18 | keith | and then add "APT::Default-Release "stable";" to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 16:50.34 | keith | GaiaX11: don't forget that part ^^ |
| 16:50.40 | keith | ... it's rather important |
| 16:50.58 | atealtha | does anyone know if the linux-image-2.6.18-xen-vserver hosts both xen and vserver VMs? |
| 16:51.09 | atealtha | that kernel I mean |
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| 16:51.34 | atealtha | installing xen installed both kernels and added it to grub |
| 16:51.35 | stew | GaiaX11: no, don't do what keith is suggesting. use a backport. its a bad idea to mix stable and non-stable |
| 16:51.59 | stew | keith: its important to not install unstable pacakges into stable |
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| 16:52.22 | keith | it's not a great habit to get into |
| 16:52.26 | jelly-home | Greyscale: note that time_t is a signed int, so halve the 130 years -> 1970-01-01 - 2038-01-19 |
| 16:52.33 | keith | but for something small like a text editor... shouldn't be a big deal |
| 16:52.54 | stew | keith: but for the libraries that the text editor depends on, it might be |
| 16:52.55 | atealtha | using backports.org is really easy, I just upgraded to openoffice.org 2.2 |
| 16:52.55 | jelly-home | keith: yes it should |
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| 16:53.26 | keith | stew: true, but it's better than compiling GTK2 from source! |
| 16:53.43 | stew | keith: if it depends on a newer gtk, then he is going to get upgraded completely to unstable |
| 16:53.50 | jelly-home | keith: it'll "only" get newer gtk2, and newer libc6, and newer gnome ;-) |
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| 16:54.51 | stew | keith: and no, that is not better than compiling gtk from source |
| 16:54.52 | keith | it's certainly easier ;-) |
| 16:54.52 | stew | not certainly |
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| 16:55.20 | GaiaX11 | keith jelly-home stew: thx a lot for your help. I have to go now. But will come back later :-) |
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| 16:57.02 | keith | stew: i don't think that scribes needs gtk 2.10 |
| 16:57.11 | keith | but i agree with you in general principle |
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| 16:59.16 | stew | keith: if it doesn't need newer libraries, then backporting is simple. the way you were having him set up his sources, it was going to be simple for him to move hist stable to a broken stable/unstable mix sometime in the future |
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| 17:00.37 | keith | stew: i've been doing that for years now, and haven't had any serious problems |
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| 17:01.09 | stew | keith: please don't tell others to do this |
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| 17:02.25 | nvz | I don't suppose anyone knows the name of that study Cambridge University did about language and mixing up the letters of words? |
| 17:03.04 | nvz | I'm trying to look up information on it and that University done so many language studies I don't know wtf to call it |
| 17:03.05 | aadil | nvz, deja poo? |
| 17:03.07 | aadil | :> |
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| 17:03.10 | nvz | heh |
| 17:03.20 | wols_ | nvz: it was a hoax |
| 17:03.35 | nvz | oh? |
| 17:03.44 | cmacis | If you just want the text I know that i-am-bored.com has it somewhere |
| 17:03.59 | nvz | I don't think the actual scientific aspect matters to making my point |
| 17:04.08 | petemc | jwz blogged about, wrote some perl script |
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| 17:04.32 | petemc | scramble |
| 17:04.47 | petemc | scrmable, even |
| 17:05.18 | nvz | my point is about plasticity of understanding |
| 17:06.38 | keith | nvz: http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/~mattd/Cmabrigde/ |
| 17:06.54 | rmwaite | hey, i was wondering, why is exim installed in the "standard" install? is it that important? |
| 17:07.39 | Braindead | rmwaite: the system needs a mail-transport-agent. exim is the default |
| 17:07.54 | rmwaite | but if its not going to send mail? |
| 17:08.01 | Braindead | rmwaite: POSIX standard. |
| 17:08.14 | Braindead | at least for cron jobs output and such |
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| 17:08.47 | Braindead | rmwaite: if you don't need a full fledged MTA just install a "lighter" one like nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 17:08.52 | stew | rmwaite: the system needs a way to mail local users. the default install of exim would only be accepting mail from the local box and only delivering to the local box |
| 17:09.07 | stew | i think we have a factoid about this |
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| 17:10.33 | bernard | hello |
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| 17:11.45 | bernard | for some weeks, xkbcomp makes X freeze (it worked before and I haven't changed its config in between) |
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| 17:12.03 | rmwaite | oh, ok. thanks. |
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| 17:12.08 | bernard | and there's nothing special about my config |
| 17:12.22 | bernard | any idea why? |
| 17:12.33 | rmwaite | i am just messin round with aptitude and theres a bunch of stuff in there, trying to sort it all out |
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| 17:13.52 | AKX | Hey. Problem persists: irssi: relocation error: /lib/libresolv.so.2: symbol __res_iclose, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
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| 17:14.06 | AKX | Any ideas how to resolve (pun now wholly intended) this? |
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| 17:14.18 | jelly-home | AKX: which debian release? |
| 17:14.25 | AKX | Testing, I think. |
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| 17:14.30 | AKX | (How can I verify that? >.>) |
| 17:14.35 | teeeee | http://pastebin.ca/548167 could someone analyze and help out really quick? |
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| 17:15.26 | Ronin | AKX: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:15.42 | AKX | lenny/sid |
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| 17:15.56 | jelly-home | AKX: well, contents of /etc/apt/sources.list, version of libc6 package and that file in /etc are good pointers |
| 17:16.06 | Ronin | teeeee: easy, your connection timed out |
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| 17:16.13 | pickcoder | teeeee: does any other domain resolve properly? |
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| 17:17.00 | AKX | jelly-home: it seems (dist-)upgrade had upgraded libc6 while irssi was still running. |
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| 17:17.13 | AKX | http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070605.090508.b3f2bb93.en.html says restarting the software would do. |
| 17:17.27 | xand | Ronin: that's not the answer, why would that name resolve to 1.0.0.0? |
| 17:18.28 | jelly-home | AKX: well, it wouldn't have been very nice of apt(itude) if it had restarted your irc client, would it. |
| 17:18.44 | Ronin | xand: i know :) |
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| 17:19.41 | cmacis | I'm having some trouble with synaptic. Apt-get installed it with no errors but the konsole says that synaptic is an unknown command |
| 17:19.50 | S4nD3r | hi there.. Im using etch, Id like to use a lexmark X2250 as scanner function |
| 17:20.01 | AKX | True, true, jelly-home. |
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| 17:20.52 | jelly-home | AKX: I have no experience with irssi, are you saying the problem persists after quitting and restarting it? |
| 17:20.58 | S4nD3r | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 043d:0096 Lexmark International, Inc. |
| 17:21.01 | S4nD3r | Its here ! |
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| 17:21.24 | AKX | No, jelly-home.. I'm just resolving this problem for a friend, waiting for results now :) |
| 17:21.39 | buscon | any freenode administrator? |
| 17:21.56 | Ronin | buscon: not here but in #freenode most likely of course |
| 17:22.01 | jelly-home | buscon: /stats p ? |
| 17:22.32 | S4nD3r | Where do I found halp to install my lexmark multifunction scanner? |
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| 17:22.39 | ma3x | any idea how long does it take for a linux-image to go into stable? |
| 17:22.53 | jelly-home | ma3x: until next stable release |
| 17:23.00 | wols_ | you've been told before, ma3x |
| 17:23.01 | lontra | S4nD3r: you might try looking on the xsane website |
| 17:23.04 | ma3x | can you say when 2.6.20 will be in stable? |
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| 17:23.09 | ma3x | no i havent been told |
| 17:23.11 | pickcoder | S4nD3r: www.sane-project.org |
| 17:23.17 | jelly-home | ma3x: probably never. |
| 17:23.24 | ma3x | jelly, why is that? |
| 17:23.35 | S4nD3r | pickcoder, thankyou |
| 17:23.36 | wols_ | ma3x: sometime around october if they stick to their plans |
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| 17:23.41 | pickcoder | your model isn't listed for the beta or stable releases |
| 17:23.44 | buscon | Rockj, jelly-home: thanx |
| 17:23.45 | ma3x | so why jelly says never |
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| 17:23.59 | jelly-home | ma3x: because lenny will be using a newer version hopefully? |
| 17:24.00 | cmacis | that;s strange. Still command not found on synaptic, but it will autocomplete it if I put sudo before it |
| 17:24.04 | ma3x | wols_, october is something. not that long |
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| 17:24.20 | rmwaite | question: would deleting /var/run/issue and rm-ing /etc/issue break the package system? |
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| 17:24.23 | lontra | ma3x: 2.6.20 will never hit stable |
| 17:24.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: they're going to do a mid-stable new kernel release thingie |
| 17:24.33 | jelly-home | abrotman: ooh |
| 17:24.36 | Braindead | rmwaite: question: why ? |
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| 17:24.40 | abrotman | i think stew knows the list/email |
| 17:24.42 | ma3x | i dont get it |
| 17:24.47 | jelly-home | ma3x: never mind me, then |
| 17:24.49 | rmwaite | cause i've read that messing with /etc files can break upgrades |
| 17:24.56 | ma3x | i mean the current stable linux-image is 2.6.18-4 |
| 17:25.01 | lontra | ma3x: etch will never get newer packages |
| 17:25.01 | ma3x | so that must progress .... |
| 17:25.02 | Braindead | rmwaite: WHY would you wanna delete them ? |
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| 17:25.07 | pickcoder | S4nD3r: there's also #sane |
| 17:25.13 | rmwaite | Braindead: cause i dont want an /etc/issue |
| 17:25.24 | lontra | ma3x:only when you upgrade to lenny ... and lenny won't be stable for a while |
| 17:25.24 | abrotman | lontra: see what i said above |
| 17:25.27 | Braindead | rmwaite: that's not an answer |
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| 17:25.36 | wols_ | lontra: maybe you should read what abrotman said instead of continue to type? |
| 17:25.41 | S4nD3r | Its not supported |
| 17:25.43 | lontra | abrotman: really? |
| 17:25.46 | S4nD3r | thanks anyway |
| 17:25.47 | abrotman | supposedly |
| 17:25.53 | S4nD3r | I will must install windows !!!! |
| 17:25.58 | abrotman | lontra: you could ask #debian-kernel on oftc if you want details |
| 17:26.00 | rmwaite | Braindead: because what alternative is there? modifying /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh? |
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| 17:26.26 | ma3x | 2.6.18-4 won't be forever in there you know |
| 17:26.36 | ma3x | they are going to release a new stable version some time soon .... |
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| 17:26.51 | ma3x | and that could be 2.6.20-22, why not? |
| 17:26.54 | wols_ | ma3x: if 2 years are "soon" for you, then yes |
| 17:27.07 | wols_ | and no, it's more than unlikely it will be 2.6.20 |
| 17:27.23 | ma3x | wols_, what's more likely they release in october? which version |
| 17:27.26 | wols_ | or at least I hope the kernel devs will work a little until lenny gets stable.. |
| 17:27.34 | wols_ | no one knows |
| 17:27.51 | ma3x | what was the last one 2.6.17? |
| 17:27.53 | Braindead | rmwaite: maybe I've not been clear. what is wrong with issue ? |
| 17:27.55 | cmacis | strange, synaptic now works since I removed my user from the sudo group |
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| 17:28.28 | lontra | ma3x: if you need a newer kernel you can always roll your own from the kernel homepage ... or get the source from sid and make a backport |
| 17:28.37 | wols_ | lontra: don't do this |
| 17:28.44 | lontra | wols_: why? |
| 17:28.48 | wols_ | YOU will support him when he borks it |
| 17:28.51 | rmwaite | Braindead: Oh. Well, I don't want anyone trying to connect remotely to see what system i'm running |
| 17:29.05 | ma3x | lontra, I don't need a new kernel, because it doesn't have the same version of linux-kernel-image |
| 17:29.06 | zottel | have you also removed him from /etc/sudoers, cmacis? |
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| 17:29.18 | Braindead | rmwaite: nonsense. |
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| 17:29.21 | lontra | wols_: no you don't have to support someone for using an unofficial kernel |
| 17:29.30 | cmacis | zottel: no |
| 17:29.36 | rmwaite | why? |
| 17:29.36 | wols_ | lontra: you must be new here |
| 17:29.47 | lontra | wols_: nope i've been around here for a while |
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| 17:30.01 | Braindead | rmwaite: issue and issue.net are shown AFTER the login. |
| 17:30.01 | ma3x | linux-image-2.6.18-4 is a stable image right? |
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| 17:30.12 | xand | ma3x: yes |
| 17:30.18 | karmatronic | ma3x: all kernel images are stable |
| 17:30.26 | ma3x | even when in unstable, it's the same with linux-image-2.6.18-4 in stable |
| 17:30.28 | ma3x | is that right? |
| 17:30.30 | pickcoder | unless they are in testing or sid |
| 17:30.32 | abrotman | does backports.org have a newer kernel ? |
| 17:30.33 | Braindead | dpkg: tell rmwaite about securing |
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| 17:30.59 | ma3x | what difference does it make if the package linux-image-2.6.18-4 is in stable or unstable? |
| 17:31.01 | ma3x | it's the same package |
| 17:31.03 | abrotman | guess not |
| 17:31.07 | rmwaite | Braindead: and its open in my browser right now? |
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| 17:31.17 | abrotman | ma3x: they might ahve different source trees but the same ABI |
| 17:31.34 | bigredradio | I do not have a debian system to test and I need to know what the output of mdadm -V looks like on sarge and etch. Anyone got a sec to run that command? |
| 17:31.38 | stew | ma3x: linux-image-2.6.18-4 is the name of a pacakge in stable. there are multiple versions of that package |
| 17:31.50 | abrotman | bigredradio: is a swraid setup required? :) |
| 17:31.56 | bigredradio | no |
| 17:32.00 | Braindead | rmwaite: read it. |
| 17:32.00 | bigredradio | just the version of the command |
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| 17:32.49 | abrotman | !info mdadm etch |
| 17:32.51 | Kemical | how to i change the refresh rate in my debian x configuration? |
| 17:32.52 | dpkg | mdadm: (tool to administer Linux MD arrays (software RAID)), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.5.6-9 (etch), Packaged size: 225 kB, Installed size: 660 kB |
| 17:32.59 | abrotman | !info mdadm sarge |
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| 17:33.03 | dpkg | mdadm: (Manage MD devices aka Linux Software Raid), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.9.0-4sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 101 kB, Installed size: 316 kB |
| 17:33.07 | abrotman | bigredradio: is that enough ? |
| 17:33.10 | pickcoder | even if they have the same source tree, the patches could be different between releases based on various modules and such |
| 17:33.29 | stew | and they could have been compiled with vastly different versions of gcc |
| 17:33.31 | bigredradio | abrotman: actually, I need the output from the command. |
| 17:33.34 | karmatronic | pickcoder: ok right |
| 17:33.40 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.41 | abrotman | mdadm - v2.5.6 - 9 November 2006 |
| 17:33.44 | bigredradio | mdadm -V 2>&1 | cut -d"-" -f2 | sed 's/[^0-9]//g' |
| 17:33.44 | abrotman | that's on etch |
| 17:34.11 | bigredradio | I need to make sure that will work to get just the version numbers |
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| 17:34.25 | bigredradio | abrotman: That looks good for etch |
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| 17:34.31 | bigredradio | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:34.34 | abrotman | i'd imagine sarge's will return 1.9.0 :) |
| 17:34.43 | ma3x | stew, I have some unstable and some stable packages on my system but I boot from 2.6.18-4 image |
| 17:35.01 | pickcoder | yeah.. the gcc version is really an issue now with the versions being embedded in the modules and verified before loading |
| 17:35.09 | stew | yes |
| 17:35.27 | bigredradio | I saw a reference (googling) that was 1.9.0-4sarge1 |
| 17:35.40 | bigredradio | I was not sure if that was dpkg or from the command itself |
| 17:36.20 | ma3x | stew, the package version is never the same in stable and unstable? for not even one package? |
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| 17:36.57 | rmwaite_ | stupid wireless. |
| 17:37.02 | stew | ma3x: there are many packages which have the same version in stable and unstable. that number will decrease as the two releases diverge |
| 17:37.07 | pickcoder | ma3x: you've moved from the linux-image package to "any package" and that chances the scope of everything |
| 17:37.38 | stew | ma3x: i just want you to note that the 2.6.18-4 in linux-image-2.6.18-4 is part of the package name, and not part of the package version |
| 17:38.32 | abrotman | stew: do you have a link to the mid-release kernel update thingie ? |
| 17:38.48 | abrotman | that's a technical term :) |
| 17:39.05 | ma3x | stew, 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 is that stable? |
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| 17:39.13 | jelly-home | Did you mean: mind-release kernel update thingie |
| 17:39.16 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 17:39.19 | stew | abrotman: not handy |
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| 17:40.21 | abrotman | isn't buscon some adapter for 3270 stuff? |
| 17:40.22 | ma3x | how can I search pdo with linux-image-2.6.* (to show all kernels ending with 2.6.*) ? |
| 17:40.43 | ma3x | not pdo :) but packages.debian.org |
| 17:40.54 | buscon | abrotman, dunno, I know it's a spanish novel |
| 17:40.58 | abrotman | heeh .. ok |
| 17:40.59 | stew | ma3x: go to http://packages.debian.org/linux-image-2.6 then click on "packages with a name like this" or whatever that link is at the bottom |
| 17:41.09 | ma3x | thanks stew |
| 17:41.16 | xand | ma3x: "linux-image-2.6" |
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| 17:42.58 | ma3x | and why is there no linux-kernel-headers for the linux-images in unstable? |
| 17:43.44 | bahadunn | tarzeau: I have a cool new script |
| 17:43.45 | ma3x | if you want to compile something with m-a, you can't |
| 17:43.49 | bahadunn | tarzeau: it makes me happy |
| 17:43.53 | jelly-home | ma3x: sure there is. |
| 17:43.56 | pickcoder | I don't recall buscon |
| 17:44.02 | abrotman | ma3x: try the right package name |
| 17:44.03 | pickcoder | but it's a conference for sure |
| 17:44.12 | abrotman | pickcoder: eh .. i'm pretty sure i had to look for a buscon card |
| 17:44.25 | rmwaite_ | putty is awesome |
| 17:44.29 | pickcoder | MCA? |
| 17:44.38 | abrotman | no |
| 17:44.54 | abrotman | pickcoder: i'm going to try to ask tore :) |
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| 17:45.22 | jelly-home | a con on a bus? |
| 17:45.38 | abrotman | no! |
| 17:45.49 | stew | doesn't all tore's hardware predate add-in cards? |
| 17:45.49 | jelly-home | pity |
| 17:45.49 | pickcoder | abrotman: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb4804/is_199101/ai_n17444602 |
| 17:45.52 | pickcoder | related? |
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| 17:46.36 | abrotman | pickcoder: looks like a conference :) |
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| 17:48.51 | jelly-home | abrotman: meh, all I can find are references, like http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.release/16923 |
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| 17:49.45 | maxamillion | lol |
| 17:49.51 | abrotman | jelly-home: i seem to remember stew showing me something more definitive |
| 17:49.51 | aadil | :p |
| 17:50.10 | buscon | abrotman, you need a buscon card? :P |
| 17:50.38 | abrotman | no |
| 17:50.40 | abrotman | not anymore |
| 17:51.05 | abrotman | i had to do a screen scraping project about .. four years ago or so .. and i thought i remembered a buscon adapter being part of the things needed |
| 17:51.09 | abrotman | stupid modem |
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| 17:52.13 | pickcoder | abrotman: VME related maybe? |
| 17:52.15 | pickcoder | http://www.hytec-electronics.co.uk/3331_Manual_Issue5.0.PDF |
| 17:52.22 | davidL | how can I generate /etc/X11/xorg.conf without using ``dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'' seeing as that does not work on my machine? |
| 17:52.46 | abrotman | pickcoder: i don't think so .. |
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| 17:52.52 | abrotman | davidL: why doesn't it work ? |
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| 17:53.17 | abrotman | pickcoder: it was soem awful project where we had to use a modem an SNA gateway to get to a mainframe and do scraping |
| 17:53.25 | davidL | abrotman, it works to an extent: the generated xorg is missing a bunch of sections such as "Module" |
| 17:53.33 | pickcoder | hm |
| 17:53.42 | karmatronic | davidL: does X launch ? |
| 17:53.53 | abrotman | pickcoder: FOUND IT! |
| 17:53.55 | davidL | karmatronic, yes, it does |
| 17:54.01 | abrotman | pickcoder: it was ESCON .. i'm an idiot :) |
| 17:54.07 | pickcoder | ah |
| 17:54.21 | abrotman | pickcoder: does that make more sense? |
| 17:54.23 | wols_ | abrotman: for using escom, you indeed was an idiot :) |
| 17:54.31 | davidL | I'm hoping to use the old xorgconfigure command but that is not included with xorg on debian. |
| 17:54.35 | abrotman | wols_: i didn't ask for the project! |
| 17:54.41 | pickcoder | heh yeah |
| 17:54.46 | wols_ | !tell drxx about davidL |
| 17:54.51 | wols_ | abrotman: but you accepted it :P |
| 17:54.55 | abrotman | wols_: no .. my boss did |
| 17:55.04 | wols_ | !tell davidL about drxx |
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| 17:55.13 | buscon | abrotman, :) |
| 17:55.16 | karmatronic | davidL: maybe xorgcfg |
| 17:55.20 | abrotman | trust me . it was awful .. PU/LU .. stairstepping .. oracle .. websphere .. |
| 17:55.34 | abrotman | and i wasn't even the developer :) |
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| 17:55.58 | davidL | karmatronic, don't have that program |
| 17:56.16 | abrotman | why doesn't dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver work ? |
| 17:56.18 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:56.21 | karmatronic | davidL: but why do you say some modules are missing if x launches well ? |
| 17:56.40 | wols_ | davidL: you can hand edit xorg.conf |
| 17:56.56 | davidL | karmatronic, it launches, but I wouldn't say "well", for example it doesn't load the glx module |
| 17:57.10 | wols_ | davidL: have you cheked why it doesn't? |
| 17:57.21 | karmatronic | davidL: so use the dpkg-reconfigure and enable glx |
| 17:57.54 | pickcoder | the worst event I can remember is accidentally killing a resin hopper controller at a 24/7 synthetic fiber manufacturing plant |
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| 17:58.18 | pickcoder | luckily, I got the thing restarted before the feed line ran dry |
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| 18:00.38 | davidL | karmatronic, what do you mean by "enable glx" ? is this a dpkg-reconfigure argument? |
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| 18:02.09 | davidL | possible nvidia-glx-config enable |
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| 18:02.56 | roland | hi, i have 2 NICs in my debian box.. eth0 is 192.168.0.2 connected to a router with IP of 192.168.0.1 (ipTime VE router) and eth1 is a nic with a public ip address trough wich i run my internet connection (utp cable directly insterted in it) . my problem is that when i ifconfig eth0 up (so im able to use my router and LAN) , eth1 looses connection to internet |
| 18:03.25 | joepa | how might I find out the device node that corresponds to a particular usb device? |
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| 18:03.52 | xand | roland: define "loses connection" |
| 18:04.21 | roland | xand, internet doesnt work anymore |
| 18:04.26 | roland | only lan |
| 18:04.32 | joepa | I did 'lsusb' and it said 'Bus 001 Device 002', but how do I know what actual device node that corresponds to (i.e., where the device is under /dev) |
| 18:04.46 | xand | roland: define doesn't work... what happens? |
| 18:05.18 | roland | xand, i'll try it in 2 minutes and tell you more exactly.. cause right now im downloading Xorg and dont wanna activate eth0 |
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| 18:05.42 | pickcoder | roland: how does eth1 get a public IP? |
| 18:05.43 | wols_ | roland: bad routing |
| 18:06.16 | wols_ | roland: ifconfig your eth0 again and then tell us what route -n says |
| 18:06.45 | wols_ | roland: what is in your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:06.45 | rahul | roland: that's most likely never going to work |
| 18:06.47 | wols_ | rahul: why not? |
| 18:06.51 | rahul | you have two interfaces on networks with the same numbers |
| 18:06.58 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 18:07.08 | rahul | it's like having two streets with the same name in the same town |
| 18:07.16 | pickcoder | rahul: eth1 has a public IP |
| 18:07.20 | rahul | how is the post office gonna figure out which one you mean? |
| 18:07.23 | wols_ | rahul: where= 192.168.0.2 and 192.168.0.1 and a public IP |
| 18:07.24 | rahul | oh |
| 18:07.35 | ma3x | the version of linux-kernel-headers is same in stable/unstable 2.6.18-7 |
| 18:07.46 | wols_ | roland: /etc/network/interfaces content please. and route -n output |
| 18:07.47 | pickcoder | I'm curious if the router is doing pass-through to provide it to eth1 |
| 18:07.52 | rahul | well, he probably has 2 default routes |
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| 18:08.13 | ma3x | if I want to compile something with m-a on linux-image2.6.20 , linux-kernel-headers ( 2.6.18-7 ) is not sufficient |
| 18:08.15 | wols_ | pickcoder: I am curious what he wants the router for in the first place |
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| 18:08.37 | nvz | hmm this damn linksys modem appears to have a NAT Firewall on it... I wasnt aware of that |
| 18:08.37 | roland | pickcoder, eth1 uses the network settings provided from my ISP |
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| 18:08.53 | stew | ma3x: are you sure you aren't confusion linux-headers-$version with linux-kernel-headers? |
| 18:08.55 | roland | and eth0 is a private IP interface to my lan |
| 18:09.00 | roland | but it has a router attached first |
| 18:09.05 | roland | and from the router PC connections start |
| 18:09.07 | stew | ma3x: linux-kenrel-headers is for compiling userspace binaries, not for compiling kernel mouldes |
| 18:09.14 | wols_ | ma3x: you need to get your eyes examined. and you head while you're at it |
| 18:09.46 | ma3x | stew, somebody - wols or abrotman told me some day ago that I needed the linux-kernel-headers |
| 18:09.56 | wols_ | roland: that doesn't explain why you need a router |
| 18:09.57 | stew | wols_: please drop the ad-hominems |
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| 18:10.10 | roland | i tried usign the router in the past to provide itnernet acces and it didnt work, but my isp network settings remained configured into router, might it be that when i activate eth0 the router takes over and eth1 is confused? |
| 18:10.20 | roland | wols_ : i need the router for my lan |
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| 18:10.33 | wols_ | roland: no |
| 18:10.33 | pickcoder | roland: how are you getting public traffic from the ISP to your eth1, though. |
| 18:10.38 | stew | ma3x: does "m-a prepare" succesd. that should be all you need |
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| 18:10.44 | wols_ | roland: you might need a switc but not a router |
| 18:10.56 | wols_ | roland: and I am still waiting for your interfaces file |
| 18:10.57 | ma3x | stew, I had already installed 2.6.20 and linux-headers-2.6.20 and I tried to compile rt2500, and some other modules and it couldn't build them |
| 18:11.10 | stew | ma3x: put the errors into a pastebin |
| 18:11.13 | pickcoder | meh.. bbl |
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| 18:11.27 | stew | ma3x: and does "m-a prepare" succeed? |
| 18:11.32 | ma3x | stew, yes prepare succeeds but then build fails. |
| 18:11.47 | roland | wols_: i am using the router in NAT off mode , and no WAN port connection so its acting as a switch |
| 18:11.53 | nvz | hmm I didn't think this modem I gave them had a firewall.. here the damn vonage thing is apparently a little NAT Firewall/router |
| 18:12.05 | nvz | I don't know the damn login info for it |
| 18:12.24 | ma3x | stew, should I boot 2.6.20 and paste the errors from m-a? |
| 18:12.47 | wols_ | roland: I am still waiting |
| 18:12.53 | stew | ma3x: you don't need to boot 2.6.20 to build against 2.6.20 |
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| 18:13.09 | roland | wols_ , i'll provide that but need to set up kde first, i'll come by later |
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| 18:13.20 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 18:13.21 | ma3x | stew, when I boot 2.6.20 it won't build them. it works only with 2.6.18-4 |
| 18:13.42 | stew | ma3x: please show me the error when you build against 2.6.20. you don't have to boot 2.6.20 to build against 2.6.20 |
| 18:14.07 | roland | wols_ , ok if i come back later with this problem ? kde is downloading now, and i need to go do something |
| 18:14.20 | roland | i'll pastebin my config file then |
| 18:14.32 | simonrvn | roland: apt-get install gpm |
| 18:14.46 | wols_ | or use a pastebin that allows to uploada files |
| 18:14.53 | roland | i have a package manager instance already running and downloading |
| 18:14.55 | roland | kde |
| 18:15.09 | wols_ | roland: that is no reason not to paste |
| 18:15.14 | wols_ | linux is a multitasking OS |
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| 18:15.39 | wols_ | plus, apt-get has re get support |
| 18:15.39 | roland | wols_ , i dont have a web browser |
| 18:15.43 | roland | yea i know |
| 18:16.33 | ma3x | stew, that's the problem - with 2.6.20 I can't build them. I must build them under 2.6.18-4. If you want to see the errors I must boot 2.6.20 and launch m-a |
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| 18:17.09 | stew | ma3x: as I have said twice now. you don't have to boot 2.6.20 to build against 2.6.20, man m-a |
| 18:17.34 | ma3x | stew, I know, but what if 2.6.20 is the only image you have on your system? |
| 18:17.58 | stew | ma3x: i don't understand the question |
| 18:18.17 | ma3x | stew, hold on .. i will show you the errors |
| 18:18.20 | Corephix | Hello, how should i acsess /etc/apt/sources.list? i cant save after writing new list. new to linux |
| 18:18.33 | roland | wols_ , my isp told me that i can insert my utp cable into any pc(and network card,router etc) and internet will work without needing to bother them to add my new MAC address.. they said they dont need to add mac adress |
| 18:18.36 | simonrvn | edit it as root... |
| 18:18.46 | roland | is this bullshit or ? |
| 18:18.54 | wols_ | roland: and why do you tell me that? |
| 18:18.58 | simonrvn | why would it be bullshit? |
| 18:19.09 | abrotman | ma3x: no i didn't |
| 18:19.23 | wols_ | it is bullshit since your need a dhcpclient for it to work. most OSes do that by default, but not necessarily all |
| 18:19.32 | roland | because i can go to another pc in another place and insert the same network settings as at my home? |
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| 18:19.48 | Corephix | how can i open it as root? |
| 18:19.50 | roland | wols_ : oh yes, and they DONT use dhcp |
| 18:19.51 | wols_ | abrotman: don't bother disagreeing with ma3x. it's just what he tought we said |
| 18:19.58 | wols_ | roland: BS |
| 18:20.02 | Corephix | i mean edit |
| 18:20.08 | xand | roland: impossible. |
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| 18:20.18 | wols_ | Corephix: become root |
| 18:20.27 | ma3x | <bpun> ma3x, package kernelheaders number should match uname -r |
| 18:20.32 | simonrvn | Corephix: su - |
| 18:20.34 | roland | they dont use dhcp, yet they told me i can get internet working on any new pc i add at my home |
| 18:20.40 | roland | without need for mac address troubel |
| 18:20.43 | simonrvn | Corephix: then run editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:20.45 | ma3x | so I assumed it's linux-kernel-headers |
| 18:21.02 | xand | roland: well that's possible, but you'd need to configure the PC to use the right IP address that they provide |
| 18:21.24 | clars | my installation (crm ctt) wants "GD Library" - any ideer to what lib packets that is? |
| 18:21.33 | stew | ma3x: $version in linux-headers-$version must match, $(uname -r); but that is what "m-a prepare" does. so if "m-a prepare" works, then that is that |
| 18:21.35 | simonrvn | @kernel |
| 18:21.35 | Corephix | thanks :) |
| 18:21.39 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.21.3, prepatch: 2.6.22-rc4, 2.4: 2.4.34.5, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.22-rc4-mm2 |
| 18:21.59 | xand | roland: what kind of connection do you have, and how is it terminated? |
| 18:22.24 | wols_ | xand: if he can plug it in to any computer, it must be ethernet |
| 18:22.52 | roland | xand: thats exactly what i did on my router.. same network settings as on my pc.. and internet doesnt work, but when i switch back cable to my pc internet works |
| 18:22.52 | roland | i manually configure network interfaces |
| 18:23.13 | roland | i have a ethernet utp cat 5 cable directly coming into my NIC |
| 18:23.19 | teeeee | 'wget' wont work on debian 4.0 in vmware. can someone help http://pastebin.ca/548167 |
| 18:23.23 | xand | roland: from where? |
| 18:23.32 | roland | isp uses fiber optic though |
| 18:23.37 | ma3x | stew, how do I build against 2.6.21-1? m-a -k /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.21-1 ? |
| 18:23.42 | xand | where does the cat5 cable go then |
| 18:23.46 | stew | ma3x: man m-a |
| 18:23.56 | xand | none of the ISPs I've used have needed to know your MAC address |
| 18:23.56 | rahul | xand: are you sure you want to know? |
| 18:23.59 | roland | xand: i have no idea from where does this cable come into my home.. it must be a switch or router somewhere on a nearby building/street etc |
| 18:24.02 | xand | rahul: haha |
| 18:24.03 | rmwaite_ | teeeee: its the network |
| 18:24.11 | rmwaite_ | are you using bridged? |
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| 18:24.33 | xand | roland: does it work on a different PC? |
| 18:24.47 | teeeee | rm im really not sure man |
| 18:24.47 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.56 | teeeee | rmwaite_ can i check somehow?? do u know |
| 18:25.07 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 18:25.07 | dpkg | methinks vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 18:25.15 | rmwaite_ | why are you doing sudo wget? |
| 18:25.29 | roland | gateway |
| 18:25.29 | roland | 86.107.24.129 is my gateway |
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| 18:25.41 | teeeee | ...it wont let me go without it |
| 18:25.55 | rmwaite_ | teeeee: and if i'm not mistaken, prdownloads just connects you to a list of mirrors. its not the filehost |
| 18:26.14 | roland | xand: i have a freebsd pc around here, i'll test internet on it soon with same network settings as on my current working inet pc |
| 18:26.16 | roland | and see |
| 18:26.18 | teeeee | ... |
| 18:26.20 | roland | damn im lagging |
| 18:26.20 | rmwaite_ | and, you are using vmware, but don't understand the networking setup for the vm? i don |
| 18:26.25 | teeeee | how is that.. a guy just downloaded that file wit hthat link |
| 18:26.26 | abrotman | ma3x: i told 30 minutes ago that wasn't the package name |
| 18:26.28 | abrotman | told you |
| 18:26.34 | abrotman | argh .. why do i bother! |
| 18:26.51 | rmwaite_ | teeeee: can you get access from firefox? does ping work? |
| 18:26.54 | teeeee | its actualy microsfot virtual pc ithat i use |
| 18:27.06 | rmwaite_ | erm. |
| 18:27.09 | roland | wtf, smoke is coming out of my nic.. |
| 18:27.22 | nvz | heh |
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| 18:27.55 | bahadunn | abrotman: now now |
| 18:28.07 | roland | i'll come by later |
| 18:28.07 | bahadunn | !beer abrotman |
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| 18:28.40 | abrotman | that's coming later! |
| 18:28.51 | bahadunn | abrotman: ! |
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| 18:28.58 | abrotman | it's 1430 here :) |
| 18:29.15 | bahadunn | abrotman: here too |
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| 18:29.18 | roland | so the router(with wan configured with isp settings) cannot affect eth1 (configured with same isp settings) even after i activate both nics ? |
| 18:29.22 | bahadunn | abrotman: and I leave at 1500 |
| 18:29.25 | abrotman | bahadunn: i thought you were in the bahamas ? |
| 18:29.31 | bahadunn | abrotman: yes |
| 18:29.37 | bahadunn | abrotman: we have the daylight savings time |
| 18:29.40 | abrotman | i thought they were on atlantic time |
| 18:29.45 | lan1g1r0 | i am trying to set up my wlan card on debian... help please? |
| 18:29.47 | bahadunn | abrotman: you thought wrong |
| 18:29.50 | abrotman | ah well |
| 18:29.57 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: which model is it ? |
| 18:29.57 | abrotman | lan1g1r0: need more info .. like chipset for starters |
| 18:30.13 | lan1g1r0 | thinkpad t42 |
| 18:30.22 | roland | need to read a networking book .. |
| 18:30.24 | bahadunn | abrotman: we use EST/EDT |
| 18:30.25 | abrotman | no .. the chipset of the wifi |
| 18:30.27 | bahadunn | abrotman: Thu Jun 7 14:30:14 EDT 2007 |
| 18:30.27 | roland | i used to know more |
| 18:30.29 | abrotman | bahadunn: i gathered that :) |
| 18:30.36 | bahadunn | abrotman: good then! |
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| 18:31.17 | ma3x | stew, http://paste.debian.net/29900 |
| 18:31.22 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: modprobe ipw2100 |
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| 18:31.48 | esters | anyone running Debian on MSI K9AGM2-FIH motherboard ? |
| 18:32.28 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: and download firmware at http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
| 18:32.44 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: depending on your module ´s version |
| 18:33.03 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 18:33.03 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 18:36.22 | ma3x | wols_, can you check that pastebin? |
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| 18:37.32 | lan1g1r0 | karmatronic: I cannot find the model of my wlan card... but the thinkpad is a basic build |
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| 18:37.54 | lan1g1r0 | karmatronic: I went to the site, but how do i install the drivers/firmware? |
| 18:38.00 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: i tell you i think it s a ipw2100 |
| 18:38.09 | abrotman | lan1g1r0: lspci sohuld help |
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| 18:38.14 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: so modprobe ipw2100 |
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| 18:38.47 | bohan | hi, would anyone know the procedure to recreate a default /etc/exim4 tree that got deleted |
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| 18:38.57 | rmwaite_ | is anyone here a <someprogram> guru???? every time i try to run it i get the error "-bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'" |
| 18:39.28 | bahadunn | abrotman: dont you work or something? |
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| 18:40.00 | lan1g1r0 | karmatronic: I am new to Debian, modprobe is a command? |
| 18:40.09 | wols_ | ma3x: dpkg -l header |
| 18:40.14 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: it s a command to load a driver |
| 18:40.17 | wols_ | ma3x: dpkg -l |grep header |
| 18:40.27 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: so your steps should be |
| 18:40.39 | wols_ | lan1g1r0: lspci will tell you what wlan chip it is |
| 18:40.47 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: 1 find out which driver manages your wifi card |
| 18:40.58 | ma3x | wols_, http://paste.debian.net/29903 |
| 18:41.09 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: 2- load it with modprobe |
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| 18:41.21 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: check dmesg to see what didnt work |
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| 18:42.48 | wols_ | ma3x: create a <linux/config.h> like this: http://paste.debian.net/29904 |
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| 18:43.22 | abrotman | bahadunn: i am! |
| 18:43.48 | xand | can I read from a ps/2 keyboard port in a similar way to a serial port? |
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| 18:44.11 | bpun | hi folks |
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| 18:44.57 | lan1g1r0 | I have a PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection |
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| 18:45.13 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: so module is ipw2200 |
| 18:45.19 | piper69 | is mirrors down |
| 18:45.27 | wols_ | !tell lan1g1r0 about ipw2200 |
| 18:45.30 | Ronin | piper69: which mirror |
| 18:46.00 | lan1g1r0 | oh ok |
| 18:46.11 | bahadunn | abrotman: ah |
| 18:46.15 | bahadunn | abrotman: you working hard? |
| 18:46.15 | slacker403 | where does debian put the /var/named file or w/e ?????? |
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| 18:46.58 | piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.59 | bahadunn | slacker403: you mean /var/cache/bind? |
| 18:47.11 | ma3x | wols_, this missing file - is it a bug of the released package? |
| 18:47.30 | slacker403 | bahadunn: is that the equiv of that file ? |
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| 18:47.50 | roland | slacker403: everything is in /etc/bind |
| 18:48.02 | bahadunn | slacker403: I dont know |
| 18:48.02 | wols_ | ma3x: it's more of a bug of the driver source that wants it |
| 18:48.12 | bohan | Question, is there a way to reinstall a package with it's original config file? |
| 18:48.13 | bahadunn | slacker403: is that a file or directory? |
| 18:48.27 | wols_ | but not a debian bug since debian stable does provide the file. just not your custom kernel |
| 18:48.52 | rmwaite_ | why would so many packages depend on gcc-4.1-base? |
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| 18:49.01 | karmatronic | bohan: apt-get remove --purge your_package ;apt-get install yuor_package |
| 18:49.01 | lan1g1r0 | karmatronic: it says bash: modprobe: command not found |
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| 18:49.10 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: as root |
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| 18:51.04 | lan1g1r0 | if i have the root password, but aren't logged in as root... |
| 18:51.41 | ma3x | wols error at building fglrx - http://paste.debian.net/29905 |
| 18:51.51 | bohan | karmatronic: ok, i'm trying this with the exim4-config package, which is responsible of the /etc/exim4/conf.d tree according to dpkg --listfiles exim4-config |
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| 18:52.17 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: you use su - to gain root access |
| 18:52.41 | lan1g1r0 | i got the root terminal.... |
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| 18:52.50 | roland | debian mirror down? |
| 18:52.51 | ma3x | wols_, and acx too http://paste.debian.net/29906 |
| 18:52.58 | lan1g1r0 | but modprobe asks for module name |
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| 18:53.44 | bkw__ | Is it possible to have specific line for VGAoutput in xorg.conf? I would for example like to set the resolution and real size of the external monitor. |
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| 18:54.01 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: yeah , type modprobe ipw2200 |
| 18:54.18 | bohan | i purged the exim4-config package and then reinstalled it, but my /etc/exim4/conf.d tree contains no file |
| 18:54.22 | lan1g1r0 | is that it? |
| 18:54.28 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: or modinfo ipw2200 to have the driver s version |
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| 18:54.56 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: no , this driver requires a firmware , but you can already run the dmesg to see if your wifi card was recognized |
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| 18:56.18 | ma3x | wols_, i will simply roll back to 2.6.18-4 |
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| 18:56.52 | mtp | heya |
| 18:56.56 | maxamillion | anyone have any experience running sid on a desktop or a laptop? i understand its "unstable" ... but its debian unstable and i was wondering if it was stable enough for daily use |
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| 18:57.29 | abrotman | maxamillion: for some yes .. for some on |
| 18:57.30 | abrotman | no |
| 18:57.31 | mtp | I'm migrating users from a Redhat box, and it's got users with uids starting at 500; debian starts at 1000. Should I modify my user's uids to be above this, or is it fine? |
| 18:57.40 | lan1g1r0 | karmatronic: I see a lot of messages, I am not sure what they mean... : / |
| 18:57.59 | mtp | maxamillion: fwiw, I run sid on my machines, no complaints |
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| 18:58.16 | wols_ | maxamillion: if you have to ask about sid you usually aren't fit enought o use it |
| 18:58.53 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: just see at the end if you have something like ipw2200 detected or something like that... |
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| 18:59.06 | babilen | hi!!! |
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| 18:59.16 | rahul | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:59.22 | lan1g1r0 | karmatronic: Nothing of that sort :( |
| 18:59.35 | babilen | is there a tool which resembles the functionality provided by packages.debian.org search functionality? |
| 18:59.42 | rahul | hmm... where's dpkg? or did I overflow it |
| 18:59.51 | rahul | babilen: apt-cache? |
| 18:59.53 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: you should see something like pw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection |
| 18:59.53 | wols_ | babilen: apt-get and apt-file |
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| 19:01.24 | babilen | rahul, wols_: can i use them searching inside _all_ distributions? |
| 19:01.41 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: does lspci show something like Network controller: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 05) |
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| 19:01.54 | babilen | s/them searching/them, to search |
| 19:01.58 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 19:01.58 | dpkg | methinks ipw2200 is available in etch or kernels >= 2.6.15. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 19:02.19 | rahul | babilen: you can't use anything to search _everything_ |
| 19:02.29 | rahul | even google doesn't know about every web page out there |
| 19:02.57 | netwalker44 | even god knows g |
| 19:03.07 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's wrong now |
| 19:03.21 | abrotman | karmatronic: isn't there an ipw2200-modules |
| 19:03.33 | abrotman | !find ipw2200 etch |
| 19:03.33 | babilen | rahul: i used the terminology for "releases" as used on packages.debian.org. i am sorry if i confused you.... i am _not_ looking for something to search everything... |
| 19:03.34 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ipw2200' (11 of 19): ipw2200-modules-2.6-486 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-686 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-686-bigmem ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-amd64 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-k7 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-vserver-686 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-vserver-k7 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-xen-686 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-xen-vserver-686 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-4-486 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-4-686. |
| 19:03.37 | abrotman | yay! |
| 19:03.57 | karmatronic | abrotman: yeah but since you need to download the firmware anyway... |
| 19:04.03 | rahul | babilen: put all the stuff you want to search in your sources.list |
| 19:04.05 | abrotman | stupid firmware! |
| 19:04.12 | karmatronic | right |
| 19:04.12 | lan1g1r0 | i downloaded the firmware already |
| 19:04.14 | babilen | rahul: great tip... |
| 19:04.17 | lan1g1r0 | i think |
| 19:04.17 | rahul | firm stupidware! |
| 19:04.40 | lan1g1r0 | wasn't that the link you gave me? |
| 19:04.55 | lan1g1r0 | ipw2200.sourceforge.net? |
| 19:04.57 | babilen | so basically there is no tool which provides the same functionality as packages.debian.org ... |
| 19:05.06 | abrotman | babilen: which part of pdo ? |
| 19:05.09 | abrotman | there are quite a few tools |
| 19:05.22 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: it s in the link i gave you but you need to download the correct firmware according to your driver s version |
| 19:05.36 | lan1g1r0 | oh |
| 19:05.41 | abrotman | babilen: there's apt-file and apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges and apt-showversions |
| 19:06.14 | abrotman | and apt-cache |
| 19:06.14 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: but anyway , you should first be sure you have a ipw2200 card |
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| 19:06.24 | abrotman | erm .. apt-show-versions |
| 19:06.34 | babilen | i just want a tool which does the same as {apt-{cache,get}, aptitude} {search,show} for all releases... |
| 19:06.40 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: so run lspci and search for a line likevNetwork controller: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 19:07.16 | piper69 | how can i reconfiguer gnome please |
| 19:07.17 | wols_ | babilen: there is. apt-cache and apt-file |
| 19:07.27 | lan1g1r0 | karmatronic: ok i got the right version |
| 19:07.39 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: what do you mean ? |
| 19:07.53 | lan1g1r0 | i found that my version is above 1.1.1 |
| 19:07.54 | abrotman | karmatronic: you know .. the right one! |
| 19:08.01 | karmatronic | hehe |
| 19:08.09 | jelly-home | karmatronic: different versions of firmware are needed depending on driver version |
| 19:08.29 | mtp | babilen: apt-show-versions -a can do that for package names or regexes thereon. |
| 19:08.52 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: so ...lspci output shows your wifi card? |
| 19:09.48 | jelly-home | lan1g1r0: modinfo ipw2200|grep ^version tells you the driver version, btw |
| 19:09.56 | babilen | will any of these programs provide informations on packages from releases i have not listet in my sources.list? |
| 19:10.03 | mtp | no |
| 19:10.16 | abrotman | babilen: huh ? |
| 19:10.33 | babilen | ok, so there is no program which provides the same functionality as packages.debian.org... |
| 19:10.44 | abrotman | babilen: if you murder your system and have sources for every version of debian .. you can do that .. but i wouldn't recommend it |
| 19:10.51 | lan1g1r0 | karmatronic: yes |
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| 19:10.58 | lan1g1r0 | rev 5 |
| 19:11.01 | babilen | abrotman: yes, i know. don't worry... |
| 19:11.08 | streuner | babilen: *cough* kpackage *cough* |
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| 19:11.50 | lan1g1r0 | so i have the right version of firmware how do i install it? |
| 19:11.51 | karmatronic | babilen: so write a command lin script to do the search .... |
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| 19:12.12 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 19:12.26 | abrotman | more french! |
| 19:12.32 | Ronin | oui |
| 19:12.36 | karmatronic | eh bien oui |
| 19:12.38 | streuner_ | voila |
| 19:12.39 | abrotman | shut it quebecois! |
| 19:12.40 | babilen | karmatronic: that's probably the best idea. i just thought i'll check if a tool like that is already available... |
| 19:12.45 | jelly-home | lan1g1r0: /msg dpkg ipw2200 firmware tells you where to put it |
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| 19:13.14 | jelly-home | abrotman, been there, done that |
| 19:13.15 | karmatronic | babilen: something like wget http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=$1&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 19:14.03 | babilen | karmatronic: that and some sed magic... |
| 19:14.04 | abrotman | babilen: i believe you can checkout the scripts that make pdo .. you could try to alter them for your needs |
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| 19:14.24 | babilen | abrotman: oh, where can i find them? |
| 19:14.26 | sandman | How do I view all the key's I've added for APT? |
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| 19:14.51 | abrotman | babilen: you would ask that .. wouldn't you |
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| 19:15.11 | sandman | I added one for my etch installation so I could install WINE from winehq's repositories. I've removed the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ file for it, but I recall adding a key. |
| 19:15.15 | sandman | I just needed to know how to remove it now. |
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| 19:15.25 | abrotman | babilen: email the debian-www list and ask them |
| 19:15.37 | abrotman | i don't remember if they're in cvs or svn or something else |
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| 19:15.49 | babilen | abrotman: ok, i'll go hunting for them... |
| 19:16.35 | abrotman | svn.debian.org perhaps |
| 19:16.39 | lan1g1r0 | jelly-home: thanks now what is udev? |
| 19:16.43 | lan1g1r0 | :) |
| 19:16.54 | abrotman | but you'd be better off asking them |
| 19:17.02 | abrotman | lan1g1r0: it's not a virus! |
| 19:17.03 | jelly-home | lan1g1r0: you have debian stable, right? |
| 19:17.20 | jelly-home | lan1g1r0: whatever it is, you already have it |
| 19:17.45 | lan1g1r0 | ok |
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| 19:17.55 | lan1g1r0 | so the wireless should work now? |
| 19:17.59 | lan1g1r0 | or do i have to reboot? |
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| 19:19.23 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: dont reboot |
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| 19:19.33 | DexterF | hi |
| 19:19.41 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: you installed the firmware files in /lib/firmware? |
| 19:19.49 | lan1g1r0 | i copy pasted them there |
| 19:19.58 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: if so , run as root modprobe -r ipw2200 ;modprobe ipw2200 |
| 19:20.18 | DexterF | a few of my nfs mount points have weird modes and owners, no clue why: drwxrwx--- 23 root messagebus |
| 19:20.26 | DexterF | who might have set this? |
| 19:20.28 | lan1g1r0 | still no feedback :/ |
| 19:21.07 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: pastebin dmesg|grep ipw output |
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| 19:21.15 | abrotman | it's nto supposed to give feedback |
| 19:21.47 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: no feedback is good, indeed |
| 19:22.20 | lan1g1r0 | hmm how can i test it? |
| 19:22.31 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: install wireless-utils and run iwconfig command |
| 19:22.44 | lan1g1r0 | oooh is that a package? |
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| 19:22.48 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: yes |
| 19:23.14 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: but still , you should pastebin the output of the command dmesg| grep ipw after your last modprobe |
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| 19:24.10 | tomlog | hi someone know the sentence to install a program with debian ? |
| 19:24.29 | somian[0] | apt-get install |
| 19:24.33 | abrotman | aptitude install |
| 19:24.34 | aptitude | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 19:24.40 | abrotman | aptitude: shuddup |
| 19:24.41 | aptitude | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 19:24.51 | abrotman | !tell tomlog about refcard |
| 19:24.53 | abrotman | !tell tomlog about grounding |
| 19:25.00 | xand | a crap bot named after a crap program? |
| 19:25.10 | abrotman | xand: ravenbird ? |
| 19:25.14 | xand | no, aptitude |
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| 19:25.16 | jelly-home | aptitude > dselect |
| 19:25.17 | aptitude | i guess dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. see fix-unmet |
| 19:25.23 | karmatronic | xand: aptitude is crap? |
| 19:25.25 | xand | see? |
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| 19:25.26 | jelly-home | aptitude: stfu |
| 19:25.27 | aptitude | it has been said that stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 19:25.28 | xand | karmatronic: imo :P |
| 19:25.30 | lan1g1r0 | so i /msg pastebin? |
| 19:25.47 | xand | lan1g1r0: erm, no |
| 19:26.06 | mtp | dselect makes me unhappy |
| 19:26.18 | xand | !hug mto |
| 19:26.21 | xand | erm, mtp :P |
| 19:26.29 | jelly-home | dselect makes baby Chtulu cry |
| 19:26.32 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: pastebin it in http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 19:26.42 | bohan | hmm, just to answer my own question about how to recover deleted config files.. the way i found was to use: dpkg --install --force-confmiss the-package.deb |
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| 19:27.46 | abrotman | bohan: duh ... /msg dpkg confmiss :) |
| 19:27.51 | lan1g1r0 | http://paste.debian.net/29913 |
| 19:27.58 | karmatronic | bohan: didnt like my method ? |
| 19:28.20 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: ok so , it s just a firmware issue |
| 19:28.44 | lan1g1r0 | but it is the right version, i don't understand? |
| 19:28.46 | rmwaite_ | rm -rf /bin/init |
| 19:28.50 | rmwaite_ | oops wrong windows |
| 19:28.54 | RA3OR[psy] | :) |
| 19:28.56 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: you need to copy the tar.gz firmware file to the /lib/firmware directory |
| 19:29.04 | lan1g1r0 | lol |
| 19:29.04 | bohan | karmatronic: for some reasons i don't know, dpkg preserved my "changes" (i.e. deletion) of the config files, even after i purged and reinstalled the package |
| 19:29.05 | jelly-home | karmatronic: no |
| 19:29.07 | RA3OR[psy] | rm -rf / |
| 19:29.23 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: and here run this command tar -zxvf your_firmware_file |
| 19:29.25 | maxamillion | RA3OR[psy]: you have to su first ;) |
| 19:29.31 | RA3OR[psy] | su- |
| 19:29.35 | rmwaite_ | not if ur running as root! |
| 19:29.46 | RA3OR[psy] | sudo |
| 19:29.49 | karmatronic | jelly-home: no what ? |
| 19:30.04 | jelly-home | karmatronic: nevermind... no need to copy the archive |
| 19:30.23 | jelly-home | !nickometer RA3OR[psy] |
| 19:30.24 | dpkg | 'RA3OR[psy]' is 83.000% lame, jelly-home |
| 19:30.30 | karmatronic | jelly-home: well the important part is to unzip it |
| 19:31.07 | RA3OR[psy] | jelly-home, dpkg IS UPSET COZ I TURNED HER DOWN |
| 19:31.15 | rmwaite_ | !nickometer rmwaite_ |
| 19:31.16 | dpkg | 'rmwaite_' is 0.000% lame, rmwaite_ |
| 19:31.19 | RA3OR[psy] | SOZ 4 caps |
| 19:31.23 | rmwaite_ | pwnt. |
| 19:31.26 | jelly-home | karmatronic: cd /lib/firmware; sudo tar xfvz /where/ever/foo.tar.gz |
| 19:31.36 | dkr | RA3OR[psy]: dpkg is male |
| 19:31.54 | stew | !gender |
| 19:31.54 | dpkg | I'm female |
| 19:31.56 | dkr | otherwise he couldn't do penix strikes |
| 19:32.06 | karmatronic | jelly-home: right |
| 19:32.14 | somian[0] | RA3OR[psy] is disappointed, he thought dpkg was a shemale and was looking forward ... |
| 19:32.23 | jelly-home | karmatronic: also, sudo rm LICENSE* :-) |
| 19:32.31 | karmatronic | jelly-home: but without the sudo :) |
| 19:32.34 | RA3OR[psy] | dkr, you need to get off the computer sometimes :) |
| 19:32.40 | lan1g1r0 | karmatronic: I copied the tar file to lib/firmware |
| 19:32.41 | bohan | abrotman: thanks for the tip |
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| 19:32.55 | jelly-home | karmatronic: nah, I like that ubuntuism |
| 19:33.08 | RA3OR[psy] | !nickometer jelly-home |
| 19:33.10 | dpkg | 'jelly-home' is 14.000% lame, ra3or[psy] |
| 19:33.23 | RA3OR[psy] | dpkg: ok, still |
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| 19:33.37 | rmwaite_ | what i want to know, is does the lame percentage really need precision to 3 decimals? |
| 19:33.45 | lan1g1r0 | lol |
| 19:33.52 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: working ? |
| 19:33.52 | somian[0] | It's funnier that way I guess ;-P |
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| 19:34.03 | rmwaite_ | :) |
| 19:34.16 | lan1g1r0 | karmatronic: still dmesg gives the same error messages |
| 19:34.29 | jelly-home | !nickometer [w088|3r] |
| 19:34.30 | dpkg | '[w088|3r]' is 61.000% lame, jelly-home |
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| 19:34.33 | rahul | a penix is not an attribute of a gender |
| 19:34.33 | lan1g1r0 | !nickometer lan1g1r0 |
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| 19:34.35 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: yes , you must unload and load again the driver |
| 19:34.35 | dpkg | 'lan1g1r0' is 99.140% lame, lan1g1r0 |
| 19:34.48 | stew | please play with the bot in /msg or in #debian-bots |
| 19:34.59 | lan1g1r0 | ok |
| 19:35.10 | rahul | and the penix doesn't belong to dpkg. dpkg is merely reporting what it sees |
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| 19:35.26 | rmwaite_ | dpkg -L penix |
| 19:35.26 | dpkg | No packages found matching penix |
| 19:35.31 | stew | enough |
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| 19:35.47 | rmwaite_ | i didnt know what would make her talk, i thought there had to be a ! |
| 19:36.01 | lan1g1r0 | karmatronic: how do i unload? |
| 19:36.09 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: modprobe -r ipw2200 |
| 19:36.19 | atealtha | anyone here use OO.o and have it open all files as read-only? despite checking permissions and the open dialog box options |
| 19:36.21 | rahul | stew: but that one was FUNNY!! |
| 19:36.27 | somian[0] | rmwaite_: usually bots talk if you address them directly (starting the send with their name) |
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| 19:37.02 | dkr | like well-behaved children |
| 19:37.12 | lan1g1r0 | hmm |
| 19:37.12 | karmatronic | atealtha: try opening the same file with another editor |
| 19:37.23 | atealtha | karmatronic: abiword and gnumeric work perfect |
| 19:37.41 | rmwaite_ | i always liked gnumeric, wished abiword was as polished |
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| 19:37.57 | mtp | !nickometer mtp |
| 19:37.58 | dpkg | 'mtp' is 0.000% lame, mtp |
| 19:38.02 | mtp | bango |
| 19:38.10 | karmatronic | rmwaite_: i d like a replacement for ppt files |
| 19:38.17 | lan1g1r0 | hmmm it should work now, the dmesg gives good news, but when i unplugged the network cable... no signal |
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| 19:38.43 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: now you have to configure the card |
| 19:38.58 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: tun iwlist scan to be sure your wifi card is working |
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| 19:39.12 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: this command will list you available wifi spots |
| 19:39.15 | rmwaite_ | karmatronic: i never minded ppt much, its just 99.9 percent of people dont need to be making slides for any reason. |
| 19:39.37 | karmatronic | rmwaite_: i found it a good way to do small howtos |
| 19:39.57 | karmatronic | rmwaite_: with pictures |
| 19:40.14 | lan1g1r0 | i see the wifi networks... |
| 19:40.19 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: cool |
| 19:40.19 | abrotman | circles and arrows on the back of each one ... |
| 19:40.23 | rmwaite_ | hey i wonder what will happen when they run out of toy story characters |
| 19:40.31 | abrotman | oh .. i misquoted it ... |
| 19:40.36 | jelly-home | rmayorga: toy story 2! |
| 19:40.48 | karmatronic | rmwaite_: they will attack shrek characters |
| 19:40.50 | jelly-home | rmwaite_: toy story 2! |
| 19:40.51 | abrotman | i want Cactus Pete Debian 5.1!!! |
| 19:40.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm creating level/map for sauerbraten |
| 19:41.02 | rmwaite_ | i want them to use pirates characters |
| 19:41.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: why? |
| 19:41.09 | rmwaite_ | i'd love to use Debian kraken :D |
| 19:41.11 | abrotman | rmwaite_: that's not Pixar |
| 19:41.12 | lan1g1r0 | karmatronic: Thank you for you patience, but I will have to test it a little longer... as now i do not know how to connect to the networks |
| 19:41.14 | atealtha | there needs to be a distro using NES titles |
| 19:41.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: because there exist no free maps... |
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| 19:41.28 | abrotman | atealtha: Super Tecmo Bowl Debian 5.1? |
| 19:41.30 | rmwaite_ | abrotman: is that the rule? |
| 19:41.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i will make a free software one... and i've seen like all 108 mb maps for it already :) |
| 19:41.34 | abrotman | rmwaite_: so far :) |
| 19:41.38 | rmwaite_ | i just thought ian liked toy story |
| 19:41.42 | rmwaite_ | or something |
| 19:41.48 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: iwconfig eth1 mode managed ;iwconfig eth1 essid your_essid |
| 19:42.06 | atealtha | hmm.. NES linux |
| 19:42.09 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: optionnally, iwconfig eth1 channel your_channel |
| 19:42.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: figured how i can add my own textures, making them in the proper size now. then next to adding my own 3d models |
| 19:42.43 | rmwaite_ | Linux Punch Out? |
| 19:42.43 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: iwconfig eth1 key your_hex_key |
| 19:42.44 | lan1g1r0 | i want to connect to a wpa? |
| 19:42.44 | atealtha | rmwaite_: win |
| 19:42.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm doing a sunken ship / island map... skybox and music is missing still. could you record some music for me on your guitar? ogg and mp3 are fine |
| 19:42.45 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: and finally dhclient eth1 if your wifi is configured with DHCP |
| 19:42.47 | lan1g1r0 | or public? |
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| 19:43.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: if the atmosphere of a map (sound, graphics and all) is great, it can go into the next www.sauerbraten.org release.... |
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| 19:43.24 | rmwaite_ | does cedega run well? |
| 19:43.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: there's map contests every month on http://www.quadropolis.us/ |
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| 19:43.55 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: for an open spot, just dont run the iwconfig eth1 key command |
| 19:45.26 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: for WPA , have a look at wpa_supplicant |
| 19:45.26 | somian[0] | Such a great name ... "supplicant" |
| 19:45.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: is very hard to find exclusively made, free software music .. :( |
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| 19:46.34 | afaict | Folks. whats the package name that stores "import" command ? |
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| 19:47.12 | rmwaite_ | "dpkg -S which import" |
| 19:47.22 | rmwaite_ | with added quotes |
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| 19:47.36 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
| 19:47.42 | asarch | How's the weather? |
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| 19:48.02 | tarzeau | when the weather is hot i ride a lot |
| 19:48.10 | asarch | Ok |
| 19:48.38 | asarch | WHy I can *ONLY* print in PostScript and PDF but not directly any other application? |
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| 19:48.52 | asarch | For example KWord, OpenOffice.org Writer, Abiword |
| 19:49.02 | tarzeau | asarch: english? |
| 19:49.04 | afaict | rmwaite_ didn't find] |
| 19:49.20 | lan1g1r0 | karmatronic: I am looking at wpa_supplicant but I can't seem to make sense of it... |
| 19:49.21 | tarzeau | afaict: he means dpkg -S `which import` |
| 19:49.25 | tarzeau | afaict: imagemagick is what you want |
| 19:50.20 | afaict | tarzeau i saw using google that imagemagick is what I need. bu thaaank you tarzeau! |
| 19:50.23 | afaict | bbye |
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| 19:50.54 | asarch | tarzeau: Yeap! |
| 19:51.07 | mick_home | i heard that there was some replacement for imagemagick (it did more than imagemagick) - any idea on what that is called? |
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| 19:51.16 | asarch | tarzeau: When I try to print a file it only prints a lot of black blocks |
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| 19:51.39 | tarzeau | asarch: you know what? i hate printers. and i hate cups |
| 19:51.52 | mick_home | i've used imagemagick a lot in the past (mainly mogrify) -- but i found there were a few downfalls to it |
| 19:52.00 | mtp | mick_home: graphicsmagick |
| 19:52.09 | mick_home | tarzeau: cups still beats Windows printing - by far |
| 19:52.18 | mick_home | mtp: thanks |
| 19:52.21 | tarzeau | mick_home: so? |
| 19:52.28 | asarch | tarzeau: Oh I see. Thanks anyway! |
| 19:52.47 | mtp | mick_home: trying to put little drops of ink on paper with the heel of your foot beats Windows printing |
| 19:52.48 | tarzeau | mick_home: i didn't say i like printing on windows. maybe on nextstep/openstep ... |
| 19:53.47 | lan1g1r0 | does anyone know how to connect to a public wireless network, once your network card is installed? |
| 19:53.57 | lan1g1r0 | is there a graphical utility for debian? |
| 19:54.04 | mick_home | knetworkmanager |
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| 19:55.07 | mick_home | i just use: sudo iwconfig eth2 essid "some_open_wifi_ssid"; sudo dhclient eth2 |
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| 19:55.30 | mick_home | if your wifi card is eth2 |
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| 19:55.37 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: you can install a wifi gui to settle connections |
| 19:55.37 | mick_home | and you know the wifi network essid |
| 19:55.45 | mick_home | that is - if it is open anyhow |
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| 19:56.16 | mick_home | karmatronic: i have used knetworkmanager - what others do you know of? |
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| 19:56.27 | lan1g1r0 | how do i get a wifi gui for debian? |
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| 19:57.06 | eean | is it possible to "inject" (gentoo term) a package that you have installed from source? |
| 19:57.10 | mick_home | lan1g1r0: sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager |
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| 19:57.24 | eean | so then it doesn't get installed from other packages that depend on it |
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| 19:57.51 | eean | so then the debian repo package doesn't get installed, that is |
| 19:58.07 | lan1g1r0 | i am using gnome is that a problem? |
| 19:58.24 | eean | yes ;) |
| 19:58.33 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: yes , install network-manager-gnome |
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| 19:58.53 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: but the easiest way would be command-line |
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| 19:59.06 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: iwconfig eth1 essid your_essid |
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| 19:59.12 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: dhclient eth1 |
| 19:59.17 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: and you re done |
| 19:59.23 | eean | haha, yea thats really easy |
| 19:59.27 | mick_home | in other words... what i wrote a few lines ago ;) |
| 19:59.35 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: man when i look at http://wiki.debian.org/TheDebianChoirOfComplaints debian peopler are so musical |
| 19:59.46 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: can you not record some nice piano play and release it as free software? |
| 19:59.47 | karmatronic | mick_home: i already did a few lines ago too :) |
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| 20:00.04 | mtp | so, doom arising if I use UIDs below 1000? |
| 20:00.05 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i mean there's so much people need music and sound effects. i need a music for a gamelevel... |
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| 20:01.13 | lan1g1r0 | i don't know my essid :( |
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| 20:01.29 | eean | lan1g1r0: use network-manager |
| 20:01.35 | eean | thats why it was invented |
| 20:01.42 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: run iwlist scan and check out the essid |
| 20:02.03 | rmwaite_ | what would the debian project do is by some weird coincidence every single developer died of a heart attack within the next 24 hours |
| 20:02.05 | lan1g1r0 | im running network tools, can't find network manager, but when i did apt-get it apparently is hidden somewhere |
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| 20:02.23 | eean | nothing is more sexy then walking into a coffee shop and spending a minute typing in commands to get your wireless to work ;) |
| 20:02.30 | mick_home | how can i scan essids from the commandline? I'm not sure if airsnort will work (since the Airport Extreme doesn't do low level packets) |
| 20:02.38 | eean | iwlist eth1 scan |
| 20:02.49 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: apt-get install network-manager-gnome |
| 20:02.53 | eean | or iwlist scan eth1 I guess :) |
| 20:03.10 | lan1g1r0 | karmatronic: i did that, and it said there were no updates |
| 20:03.13 | mick_home | eean: thanks |
| 20:03.29 | mtp | heh |
| 20:03.34 | mtp | I use kismet :P |
| 20:03.39 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: so it s already installed |
| 20:03.41 | cosmonaut | I installed rdesktop, now whenever I try to do anything involving apt, I get errors saying to try "apt-get -f install". I try that, and it does nothing and ends with errors. |
| 20:03.45 | lan1g1r0 | i can't find it |
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| 20:05.57 | lan1g1r0 | karmatronic: where would it be so i can find it? |
| 20:06.13 | jelly-home | cosmonaut: pastebin the output of apt-get -f install |
| 20:06.40 | cosmonaut | ok, one second. |
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| 20:07.42 | karmatronic | lan1g1r0: maybe launch this command network-manager-gnome |
| 20:07.47 | cosmonaut | waaa, pastebin isn't working! |
| 20:07.53 | cosmonaut | Any other similar sites? |
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| 20:08.08 | maxamillion | cosmonaut: there are _many_ pastebin sites ... google "pastebin" |
| 20:08.13 | cosmonaut | ok |
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| 20:08.34 | mick_home | !pastebin |
| 20:08.34 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 20:08.56 | rmwaite_ | you know whats so cool about debian, is everything is so well thought out and planned |
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| 20:09.07 | mick_home | i made an alias myself of the pastebin pipe |
| 20:09.11 | nweaver916 | anyone here try the new deb stable netinst CD for sparc? I'm having partitioning issues |
| 20:09.12 | mick_home | !pastebin pipe |
| 20:09.12 | dpkg | To pipe your output: curl -i# -F 'code2= lt;-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 20:09.16 | cosmonaut | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/odBwjF62.txt |
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| 20:10.02 | rororo | How can I find out which process does much I/O? My harddisk is active, but the usual suspects like updatedb aren't running. |
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| 20:10.18 | stew | rororo: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 20:10.38 | Heston | why is it that everytime i install etch, after installing all the packages during install, it says no swap partition was found when one was created? |
| 20:10.41 | claudio` | What kind of algorithm use screen to encrypt the password? |
| 20:11.06 | jelly-home | cosmonaut: you're having problems with packages libc6-i386 and ia32-libs-sdl, try purging the latter, then do apt-get -f install again, then try reinstalling |
| 20:12.04 | rmwaite_ | i wonder how large a system would be with every binary staticly compiled |
| 20:12.22 | tdonahue-laptop | rmwaite_, big, very, very big |
| 20:12.41 | cosmonaut | jelly-home: doesn't work. I keep getting the same errors... i cannot purge it, apt-get -f install does the same thing... |
| 20:12.44 | Heston | to todays standards, not that big |
| 20:12.59 | rmwaite_ | i think it would be a good idea to make all the core utilities static |
| 20:13.07 | rororo | stew: No, it doesn't seem to be swapping. Thank you for the hint. |
| 20:13.09 | rmwaite_ | that way if you mess up your libs you would be k |
| 20:13.11 | jelly-home | cosmonaut: oh, so purge both :-) |
| 20:13.18 | cosmonaut | ok then :) |
| 20:13.40 | Heston | rmwaite_, that and you should be able to install multiple versions of the same lib |
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| 20:13.53 | Heston | no more dependancy hell |
| 20:13.57 | rmwaite_ | hmm. |
| 20:14.11 | rmwaite_ | are debs gzips? |
| 20:14.16 | cosmonaut | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/4jFnNe35.txt |
| 20:14.17 | cosmonaut | :| |
| 20:14.26 | tdonahue-laptop | rmwaite_, i'll probably catch hell for this, but that is what the BSD's do so if you blow your system to hell you still have some of the core stuff able to work |
| 20:14.30 | streuner_ | rmwaite_: cpio |
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| 20:14.40 | rmwaite_ | strankan thanks |
| 20:14.44 | jelly-home | Heston: and no upgrading only a single package if a library need to be updated, but all of the utils. |
| 20:15.03 | rmwaite_ | tdonahue-laptop: at least just the core stuff that you'd need to fix it |
| 20:15.07 | rmwaite_ | hmm |
| 20:15.09 | stew | rmwaite_: no, they are ar archives that contain 2 .tar.gzs (one for control files, one for the rest of the files) |
| 20:15.11 | Heston | jelly-home, that;s the idea |
| 20:15.18 | stew | streuner_: not cpio |
| 20:15.27 | rmwaite_ | i wonder if i made a static-core-utils how hard it'd be to get into debian |
| 20:15.46 | rmwaite_ | heck, there prolly already is one |
| 20:15.49 | jelly-home | Heston: no, that's an argument _for_ shared libs. |
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| 20:16.28 | tdonahue-laptop | rmwaite_, the 4 that i would like to see in that... tar (no gzip or anything) netcat ls and vi or nano |
| 20:16.35 | Heston | jelly-home, in which case you wouldnt be "upgrading" the lib, you would be installing another version |
| 20:16.41 | Heston | which wouldnt effect anything |
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| 20:16.48 | d0uglas | can i pop in a video card (dual header) into a machine without an agp slot, just pci? |
| 20:16.57 | d0uglas | IOW are there pci video cards? |
| 20:17.00 | jelly-home | rmwaite_: there's a number of statically linked shells in debian. sash for example |
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| 20:17.25 | rmwaite_ | well, i suppose its a fools errand. if you messed up your system that bad, you could probably just boot from a cd and fix it offline |
| 20:17.27 | tdonahue-laptop | d0uglas, yes there are PCI video cards |
| 20:17.27 | cosmonaut | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/4jFnNe35.txt |
| 20:17.32 | cosmonaut | :( |
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| 20:17.34 | d0uglas | tks |
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| 20:17.48 | karmatronic | d0uglas: i have one |
| 20:17.53 | znx | !php echo " |
| 20:18.20 | jelly-home | !tell cosmonaut about overwrite |
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| 20:19.13 | philth | who was lenny in toy story? |
| 20:19.22 | stew | philth: the binoculars |
| 20:19.25 | cosmonaut | jelly-home: I think i understand... but im still a bit confused. |
| 20:19.33 | rmwaite_ | what was the name of that little toy soldier |
| 20:19.39 | cosmonaut | rmwaite_: sarge |
| 20:19.41 | streuner_ | stew: well, than this HOWTO is WRONG :-) http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/RPM-for-Unix-HOWTO-8.html |
| 20:19.43 | rmwaite_ | oh cool |
| 20:19.51 | rmwaite_ | has there been a buzz yet? |
| 20:19.59 | jelly-home | Heston: consider a serious bug in a library. to fix it, you need to upgrade all the versions of the library on the system, and that includes the dynamic version and _all_ the packages built with compiled-in versions of the same lib. |
| 20:20.19 | philth | stew, thanks |
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| 20:20.29 | jelly-home | cosmonaut: it's a bug, it happens when you use testing or unstable, like you seem to be |
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| 20:20.57 | jelly-home | cosmonaut: I'd try apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" -f install |
| 20:21.21 | Heston_ | jelly-home, if you only have one version of that lib, you would still be placing that lib, along with all the staticly linked programs that use it |
| 20:21.32 | Heston_ | s/placing/replacing |
| 20:21.50 | Heston_ | so your point is moot |
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| 20:22.08 | jelly-home | Heston: with dynamic lib, you only need to replace one lib (one package), and not lots of them. |
| 20:22.10 | cosmonaut | jelly-home: oh, that's an exact command. ahh... ok |
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| 20:22.14 | lindenle | anyone know software for easy web publiching of blotbot logs? |
| 20:22.40 | streuner_ | lindenle: ask the owner of 'apt' :-) |
| 20:22.54 | streuner_ | apt, who owns you? |
| 20:23.06 | apt | TimRiker does |
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| 20:23.06 | streuner_ | or just google for |
| 20:23.06 | Heston_ | jelly-home, wow, you might have to replace 2 or 3 packages of that lib. Considering you will have saved not reinstalling many, many apps when you run into dependency hell |
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| 20:23.27 | gkahla | anyone having trouble getting WINE configured on Etch? |
| 20:23.36 | fadumpt | how do i connect to an access point through command line (i'm on a SID derivative) |
| 20:23.38 | jelly-home | Heston: no, dude, you have to replace all the packages that are linking it statically. |
| 20:24.13 | Heston_ | jelly-home, only if that is required, which would happen whether or not you have multiple versions of the lib |
| 20:24.14 | debianix | hey, anyone can help, i am getting this error when when doing glxinfo |
| 20:24.18 | debianix | libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b |
| 20:24.26 | Heston_ | jelly-home, make a point that doesnt affect both ideas please |
| 20:24.35 | claudio` | uff |
| 20:25.05 | lindenle | streuner_: is there an example online or something of apt's logs? |
| 20:25.22 | streuner_ | apt's logs are online, just google for |
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| 20:25.44 | jelly-home | Heston: it doesn't affect the packages that use the dyn.lib at all. |
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| 20:26.20 | Heston_ | jelly-home, once again, that is irrelevent to whether you are using multiple versions of the same lib |
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| 20:26.35 | Heston_ | irrelevant even |
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| 20:27.24 | jelly-home | Heston: I was just offering an argument for dyn. vs. static linking of libraries. |
| 20:27.31 | lindenle | !seen TimRiker |
| 20:27.31 | dpkg | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 1h 49m 53s ago, saying: '|DuReX|: do you have a uuid in ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid ?'. |
| 20:27.41 | Heston_ | jelly-home, that was not the arguement you imposed on |
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| 20:28.18 | streuner_ | He's hardly here or often online, just mail himi |
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| 20:28.24 | streuner_ | s/himi/him/ |
| 20:28.41 | Heston_ | jelly-home, the arguement was whether we should allow mutiple version of the same lib to be installed |
| 20:29.15 | jelly-home | Heston_: oh, that'd only worsen this issue. |
| 20:29.29 | Heston_ | jelly-home, which issue is that? |
| 20:30.12 | jelly-home | Heston: the "there's a bug in this lib, what need to be updated" one |
| 20:30.16 | jelly-home | needs* |
| 20:30.56 | Heston_ | jelly-home, with a package manager that could handle the additional libs, it wouldnt be much of an issue |
| 20:31.05 | Heston_ | not more so then it already is |
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| 20:32.00 | peterS | Heston_: the complexity that rpm introduced in order to support multiple versions of a single package is horrible compared to the problem it solves. dpkg doesn't allow this and I think that's great. we get around this by renaming a library package when an incompatible version needs to be released - so they can coexist on the same system. this solution works very well. |
| 20:32.31 | peterS | Heston_: thus you can have libapr0 and libapr1 on your system and old apps will use libapr0 and newly compiled apps will use libapr1 and everyone is happy |
| 20:32.38 | jelly-home | Heston_: I thought you started with <rmwaite_> i think it would be a good idea to make all the core utilities static |
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| 20:33.14 | Heston_ | peterS, i wasnt aware this was already possible, and was the functionality i was looking for |
| 20:33.21 | Heston_ | jelly-home, i never said that |
| 20:33.34 | jelly-home | Heston_: I didn't say you did. |
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| 20:33.43 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 20:33.52 | Heston_ | Heston_, also, rpm failed for many more reasons than that |
| 20:33.56 | Heston_ | shit |
| 20:33.58 | GaiaX11 | How do I know if scribes in the backports? If so, how do I install it in etch? |
| 20:34.05 | Heston_ | peterS, rpm failed for many more reasons than that |
| 20:34.09 | peterS | Heston_: I don't know exactly what you're looking for - but yeah, in debian, any time it makes sense for someone to want 2 versions of a package installed at the same time, we simply rename the package. this is generally true of libraries, though occasionally we do it for other apps (compare 'exim' and 'exim4', or 'bind' and 'bind9') |
| 20:34.10 | outlaw84 | I am looking for a tool that allows me to "batch convert" html pages into some image-format |
| 20:34.35 | jelly-home | Heston_: in any case, tracking multiple versions of same library is a pain for the developer |
| 20:34.56 | Heston_ | peterS, why dont any of debians advanced package managers do this automatically for you? |
| 20:34.59 | slacker403 | why is my bind taking 3 minutes to start ?????? |
| 20:35.02 | clars | outlaw84, print to file ?? |
| 20:35.33 | Heston | jelly-home, they pretty much already have to |
| 20:35.33 | peterS | Heston: what do you mean, automatically? how could an automated process know when it makes sense to allow two versions of something to be installed simultaneously? most of the time, it doesn't make sense - the cases where it does are the exceptions |
| 20:35.37 | outlaw84 | clars: well thats not "batch" |
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| 20:35.46 | slacker403 | anyone ? |
| 20:35.47 | clars | okay then :-) |
| 20:36.01 | Heston | peterS, the senarios are quite obvious i think |
| 20:36.05 | outlaw84 | I got 700+ files ;) |
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| 20:36.19 | peterS | Heston: this is why rpm has separate 'install' and 'upgrade' commands. if you 'install' a package on rpm instead of 'upgrade'ing it, you get 2 versions at once. usually this is not what you actually wanted. bleh on that. |
| 20:36.23 | nwonknu- | hi |
| 20:36.43 | pickcoder | slacker403: are you using a FQDN for your hostname? |
| 20:36.50 | Heston | peterS, a single app requires an upgraded lib, the rest of your system is happy with the older version, what do you do |
| 20:36.52 | slacker403 | SQDN? |
| 20:37.00 | slacker403 | i havent done anyting ot named |
| 20:37.01 | jelly-home | peterS: except it works well for them for the package called "kernel" :-) |
| 20:37.05 | slacker403 | jus installed it and started it |
| 20:37.11 | slacker403 | and it takes like 3 minutes to start |
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| 20:37.25 | peterS | Heston: you install the upgraded library. if it's compatible with the old one, all your apps will use it. if it is not compatible, the old one will still be present because the maintainer renamed the new one. |
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| 20:37.33 | pickcoder | slacker403: ok.. but are you using a FQDN that can be resolved? |
| 20:37.42 | slacker403 | SQDN? |
| 20:37.44 | slacker403 | F |
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| 20:37.50 | pickcoder | fully-qualified domain name |
| 20:38.13 | Heston | peterS, if you upgrade that lib, you will likely break everything else, if you try to install the new one, you are told you already have that lib installed |
| 20:38.32 | jelly-home | Heston: you won't "likely" break anything. |
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| 20:38.38 | peterS | Heston: if upgrading a library breaks everything that depends on the library, then you should shoot the maintainer, because in Debian we don't tolerate that kind of sloppy quality assurance |
| 20:38.44 | stew | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=debug,nostrip is all i should need to be able to step through source with gdb, right? |
| 20:38.48 | peterS | Heston: this is the other aspect where we differ from Red Hat (: |
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| 20:39.14 | peterS | stew: probably, if the maintainer used -g in CFLAGS like he should've |
| 20:39.30 | Heston | peterS, the maintainers have no idea what could of been changed in the new lib |
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| 20:39.35 | Heston | how could it be their fualt |
| 20:39.35 | stew | peterS: its CDBS, so i'd assume it does the right thing as far as this is concerned |
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| 20:39.59 | peterS | Heston: they'd better have some idea. that is why we _have_ maintainers. it is their _job_ to know what changed and whether it's likely to break anything. we don't just blindly grab new versions of stuff and throw them at ftp.debian.org! |
| 20:40.08 | stew | peterS: but "C-x spc" is telling me "No source file named repeat.c." in the gud window |
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| 20:40.29 | rahul | !penixstrike rahul |
| 20:40.29 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:40.32 | rahul | WEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 20:40.34 | Heston | peterS, yes, but for them to predict what's going to change, and ensure future compatibility? dont be rediculous |
| 20:40.39 | davidL | where can I save an ``xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 ..."'' command so as not to have to run it every time at boot? |
| 20:41.10 | pickcoder | Heston: that's why packages go through a testing cycle and regularly get updates |
| 20:41.11 | peterS | Heston: you don't understand. it is the maintainer's job to understand the package, and that includes testing it and being reasonably certain that a new version is safe enough to put in the archive. |
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| 20:41.24 | rahul | davidL: man xsession |
| 20:41.24 | gnudo | i'm trying to install etch on my Siemens Scenic Mobile 350 laptop using installation CD1. I have verified the integrity of the cd and it is OK. Moreover, i can boot from that CD1 and install etch on other laptops but not mine!. On mine I get the error "couldn't find valid ram disk image starting at 0" |
| 20:41.25 | jelly-home | Heston: there are conventions. Usually libraries announce change of API by increasing the version major or release numbers. |
| 20:41.44 | peterS | Heston: also, this is why we have a bug tracking system, if you find a bug, you report it and it gets fixed. preferably long before the next stable release of Debian. |
| 20:41.50 | stew | how do i used gdb |
| 20:41.51 | abrotman | gnudo: try #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:42.01 | abrotman | you're not allowed to ask questions! |
| 20:42.11 | rahul | stew: shush |
| 20:42.11 | abrotman | erm .. stew isn't .. gnudo can :) |
| 20:42.12 | rahul | heh |
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| 20:42.32 | rahul | stew: using gdb is a rather broad topic... |
| 20:42.36 | abrotman | stew: it depends on what you're actually trying to do with it |
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| 20:42.50 | peterS | Heston: we have high quality standards in Debian, we don't tolerate library updates that break applications. obviously a bug can slip through, but if it slips through all the way into a stable release before anyone notices, that's a rare event. this sort of bug is something we don't just ignore, we care a lot about that stuff. |
| 20:42.52 | rahul | abrotman: stop paraphrasing me :P |
| 20:42.59 | rahul | or should I call it orthophrasing |
| 20:43.00 | abrotman | rahul: go watch the yankees lose! |
| 20:43.03 | rahul | haha |
| 20:43.05 | JamandCheese | Hello. |
| 20:43.09 | rahul | no, I'm gonna watch julia sing |
| 20:43.15 | rahul | after she picks me up fgrom the train station |
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| 20:43.26 | gnudo | i have tried passing kernel arguments at boot like noapic nolapic acpi=off but i still get the same error |
| 20:43.46 | abrotman | gnudo: is it a fairly new laptop ? |
| 20:43.58 | N1ckR | I have 2 drives with xfs and 1 drive with jfs on (ide). |
| 20:44.03 | gnudo | It is 9 years old |
| 20:44.08 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 20:44.20 | N1ckR | I am copying 70 gigs between the xfs drives and is using 50% cpu. |
| 20:44.23 | Supaplex | gnudo: firmware updates? plain sucky mainboard? |
| 20:44.38 | karmatronic | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.42 | gnudo | BIOS on the laptop is the latest |
| 20:44.48 | keith | is xfs CPU intensive? |
| 20:44.49 | N1ckR | p3 800 with 512mb ram, and the drives are all diamondmaxes |
| 20:44.52 | gnudo | from 1999! |
| 20:44.53 | keith | might want to check if DMA is on both drives |
| 20:45.05 | peterS | Heston: there is also another problem we haven't talked about with your approach: somehow you would have to have a way to tell an application to use a specific minor version of a library. in cases where we don't already handle this, it would require actually installing the new library to a non-default location. surely you would agree that this is not something you'd want every library package to do automatically - each ... |
| 20:45.11 | peterS | ... new version go to a new directory? |
| 20:45.45 | rahul | I'm going to be interwebless in a few minutes |
| 20:45.50 | rahul | but I'll be juliafull! |
| 20:45.53 | peterS | poor rahul |
| 20:45.59 | rahul | or maybe julia will be full of me... ;) |
| 20:46.07 | Heston | peterS, the directory for each version would have the version number included in it |
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| 20:46.49 | Supaplex | gnudo: I scrapped an old hp laptop because it in no way supported drives larger than 1gb (540mb was the largest I could try). well, that and the cardbus was pretty shot, the CF card filesystems were toasted when it crapped out last time. -- that worked for a whole 20 minutes :( |
| 20:46.52 | peterS | Heston: ugh, that's horrible. if you do that, all applications would be tied to a _specific_ version of a library, and any upgrades that you want to affect the whole system would involve rebuilding every app that uses the library! |
| 20:47.00 | rahul | yeah, poor me. I'll have to make sure she can still walk tomorrow |
| 20:47.15 | rahul | because she has a gig to do |
| 20:47.18 | abrotman | from laughing so hard? |
| 20:47.21 | rahul | another |
| 20:47.28 | rahul | bastage. |
| 20:47.33 | Supaplex | hah |
| 20:47.33 | gnudo | My laptop's cpu is a Pentium Mobile 266 MHz MMX 256MB RAM. It was running XP no problems when I bought it 2nd hand. I erased XP and installed Sarge. I erased Sarge and install FreeBSD but now I wanna go back to my cosy GNU/Linux Debian world! |
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| 20:47.36 | peterS | Heston: and since we don't tolerate broken library upgrades, that pretty much means _every_ time we upgrade a library in ftp.debian.org we get to update all the packages that use it |
| 20:47.37 | pickcoder | peterS: even if each library package was a specific minor release? |
| 20:47.39 | jelly-home | peterS: works for windows apps, they all bring all their shared libs with themselves |
| 20:47.52 | abrotman | gnudo: you could try to install sarge and then dist-upgrade to etch |
| 20:47.53 | peterS | jelly-home: yeah, well. there's a reason we aren't windows (: |
| 20:48.08 | Heston | peterS, no, you wouldnt have to touch the previous apps, as they are already happy using the older version |
| 20:48.11 | Supaplex | !start an os war |
| 20:48.11 | dpkg | MVS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 20:48.12 | N1ckR | saying that, its taken approx 20mins to copy 70gb... |
| 20:48.22 | abrotman | it's 70GB FFS |
| 20:48.28 | stew | Single stepping until exit from function main,which has no line number information |
| 20:48.33 | peterS | Heston: yeah, if you want to keep N different obsolete versions of a library on your system for no reason. that's worse. |
| 20:48.41 | stew | hrm, maybe cdbs didn't do the right thing |
| 20:48.48 | N1ckR | suppose not bad for an old p3 800 |
| 20:48.49 | Supaplex | N1ckR: hdparm is your friend. |
| 20:48.57 | Heston | peterS, no, you could simply remove them when they are no longer needed |
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| 20:49.08 | Heston | this isnt a difficuly concept |
| 20:49.12 | jelly-home | Heston: hehe, they're happy up to the point there's a security hole in a common library. |
| 20:49.14 | Heston | difficult |
| 20:49.23 | peterS | Heston: which in Debian means every time a new version of the library is installed. it is very simple, it works, and when it doesn't work we have http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 20:49.38 | gnudo | i tried reinstalling etch and then upgrading to etch but it did not work(TM). Cannot remember what the actual error output was! |
| 20:49.57 | peterS | Heston: I still don't think you understand how seriously we treat bugs related to broken library updates. it pretty much does not happen in stable releases. |
| 20:49.59 | Supaplex | N1ckR: still, that's 61MB/s |
| 20:50.01 | Heston | jelly-home, then you upgrade that specific lib, which wouldnt change the version number in this case, just apply the patches |
| 20:50.05 | jelly-home | Heston: then it's OMG find all the instances of zlib on the system, lots of different versions, and try to patch and upgrade them. |
| 20:50.13 | Supaplex | !nickometer N1ckR |
| 20:50.14 | dpkg | 'N1ckR' is 22.000% lame, supaplex |
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| 20:50.27 | Heston | jelly-home, that wouldmt be hard |
| 20:50.33 | abrotman | gnudo: did you try both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels with sarge ? |
| 20:50.35 | jelly-home | Heston: try it. |
| 20:50.41 | Heston | especially with a package manager designed to handle mutilple versions |
| 20:51.02 | maek | is it possible to put an ssh tunnel under inetd's control as to have it restared if it fails? |
| 20:51.03 | abrotman | symlink hell! |
| 20:51.10 | gnudo | yes i tried both |
| 20:51.17 | jelly-home | Heston: package manager has NOTHING to do with it, the maintainer need to keep track of each supported lib. version, apply patches and test |
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| 20:51.32 | abrotman | gnudo: same error with sarge installer too ? |
| 20:51.34 | Supaplex | maek: autossh |
| 20:51.36 | rahul | maek: use init for that, not inetd |
| 20:51.42 | gnudo | i think so |
| 20:51.42 | RaphaelZ | heya,, where can I find the sources for latest versions of apache, php mysql etc? |
| 20:51.43 | pickcoder | Heston: I think he means if a critical bug is found in one of the older minor versions, the maintainer would have to update ever single minor-revision package from there up |
| 20:51.55 | peterS | Heston: have you experienced a broken application on Debian that you can blame on the fact that you upgraded a library to a new version in a stable release? if not, I argue that you're trying to solve a problem that doesn't need solving. |
| 20:51.57 | pickcoder | instead of fixing one source tree |
| 20:52.00 | maek | rahul: would you explain that init bit? I didnt know init could auto restart |
| 20:52.04 | maek | Supaplex: thanks, ill look at that |
| 20:52.14 | Supaplex | RaphaelZ: aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade |
| 20:52.21 | rahul | maek: man inittab |
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| 20:52.30 | maek | Supaplex, rahul: I think autossh will do it. thanks. |
| 20:52.30 | rahul | init is all about auto restarting |
| 20:52.42 | maek | rahul: didnt know that. I thought it was only for the intial startup |
| 20:52.42 | peterS | Heston: in fact I'll argue that anyway. your solution is complex and has several disadvantages, and the problem it is solving is better solved by applying a bit of quality control to your archive, which is what we already do |
| 20:52.42 | abrotman | rahul: no internet? girl waiting? helo! |
| 20:52.44 | maek | thanks |
| 20:52.46 | RaphaelZ | Supaplex: but my sources does not provide the latest packages |
| 20:52.49 | Heston | peterS, this problem is general to Linux distros, not specific to Debian |
| 20:52.50 | rahul | ok, dunno what autossh is but it sounds easier than init :) |
| 20:52.57 | Supaplex | !tell RaphaelZ -about sns syndrome |
| 20:53.01 | Supaplex | !tell RaphaelZ -about backports |
| 20:53.02 | peterS | Heston: I still don't think you understand how rare the problem is in debian that you think you are solving. |
| 20:53.07 | rahul | abrotman: ehlo, you mean |
| 20:53.08 | jelly-home | peterS: there was a security bug in zlib that pretty much required someone to unpack all the packages and grep for zlib signatures. |
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| 20:53.20 | RaphaelZ | Supaplex? |
| 20:53.25 | rahul | abrotman: I need to talk to her with the _extended_ protocol |
| 20:53.26 | peterS | Heston: until you can argue that it actually occurs in practice, you need to find a better reason to argue that the disadvantages of your approach are worthwhile |
| 20:53.32 | RaphaelZ | lol |
| 20:53.34 | RaphaelZ | haha |
| 20:53.35 | peterS | jelly-home: yeah, I remember |
| 20:53.43 | abrotman | rahul: your normal protocol isn't good enough ? |
| 20:53.45 | RaphaelZ | !tell Supaplex -about ass |
| 20:53.50 | sam_home | where is the iceweasel equivalent of firefox.cfg please? |
| 20:53.51 | Supaplex | RaphaelZ: stable is stable for a reason =) - but if you want venture into rougher waters, backports is better |
| 20:53.55 | Heston | peterS, im not saying this is a large problem to Debian |
| 20:54.16 | N1ckR | yup, dma is on my ide drives. and copying from xfs TO jfs gives exact same cpu usage. |
| 20:54.16 | rahul | abrotman: I'm not sure what exactly you do with a girl that doesn't require an extended protocol |
| 20:54.17 | RaphaelZ | Supaplex: but how can you know what versions my source provides? im not using debians sources atm |
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| 20:54.24 | abrotman | rahul: talk? :) |
| 20:54.33 | RaphaelZ | my sources could provide apache 1 beta |
| 20:54.34 | jelly-home | Heston: basically, there's no need to keep lots of versions of the same library, and there are some good reasons to do exactly the opposite. |
| 20:54.39 | Supaplex | RaphaelZ: packages.debian.org - if that's not new enough, have fun doing it on your own... |
| 20:54.46 | Heston | and ive yet to see how it would be any more complex then the initial system we have, it would just require some reconfiguring |
| 20:54.48 | peterS | Heston: I'll go further: it's not a problem I've observed in Debian _at all_. broken library updates are dealt with when they occur. and if you are running Debina unstable, where you might actually see a broken library before the bug is fixed, you should know what unstable is. |
| 20:54.49 | rahul | heh |
| 20:55.05 | rahul | abrotman: and that one is complaining that she doesn't have guys around to have sex with her when she wants it |
| 20:55.10 | N1ckR | when its finished I shall do jfs to jfs and see how it compare |
| 20:55.19 | RaphaelZ | what's the address to add to the source.list? |
| 20:55.19 | abrotman | stew: is mrs stew watching the game ? |
| 20:55.20 | Supaplex | RaphaelZ: besides, backports can be addes to sources.list w/o everything there installing, unless you ask it to. |
| 20:55.29 | abrotman | rahul: TMI .. have a good night |
| 20:55.35 | rahul | heh |
| 20:55.38 | rahul | later :D |
| 20:55.42 | xand | hmm |
| 20:55.44 | N1ckR | I thought debian geeks were'nt into chicks ? |
| 20:55.50 | rahul | abrotman: btw, that complaining was public |
| 20:55.52 | jelly-home | Heston: I'm using debian testing and this kind of breakage happens rarely. Most of it is caught in unstable. |
| 20:55.54 | peterS | Heston: your "solution" is much more complex, because in the common case (where you really do want to upgrade the libraries on your system) you'd have to rebuild all your applications. having N different library versions sitting around is a real cost. not only disk space but memory usage, since the library images aren't shared between processes like they are today |
| 20:55.56 | rahul | so it's not my info, it's her's :) |
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| 20:58.07 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 20:58.10 | pickcoder | Heston: I feel the problem isn't with the functionality of the package manager.. it's with keeping up with the source trees of all of the minor-revision packages |
| 20:58.23 | Heston | peterS, no, like ive said before, programs that already have a working version of the library wouldnt be effected at all. Disk space would be neglible and we are still taking about dynamic libraries - so what if one or to apps uses a different lib, its not going to saturate your ram |
| 20:58.25 | abrotman | stew: schilling is doing well :) |
| 20:58.36 | peterS | Heston: let me give an example from personal experience. once I uploaded a library which broke some applications. I was careless, and very embarrassed afterwards. bugs were immediately filed, and since I wasn't around just after uploading, someone else reverted my change and uploaded the fixed package less than 24 hours later. |
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| 20:59.02 | war | Hello, I have 1080i video and I want to encode this to regular XVID.HDTV size, what are the best mencoder parameters to do this? |
| 20:59.03 | peterS | Heston: read that again: "less than 24 hours later". that is how long it takes debian people to notice that you broke their application, complain loudly, and have someone do something about it |
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| 20:59.39 | mick_home | buu: what do you mean? if you search by rating... (only find modules that have 5 stars) -- then you can really cut down |
| 20:59.45 | mick_home | damn touchpad |
| 20:59.46 | Heston | peterS, 24 hours is a very long time for a commercial business |
| 21:00.41 | mick_home | wrong channel |
| 21:00.41 | pickcoder | heh |
| 21:00.41 | jelly-home | Heston: also, " programs that already have a working version of the library wouldnt be effected at all. " isn't correct in case of security fixes. |
| 21:00.41 | pickcoder | Red Hat still hasn't fixed rzsz |
| 21:00.41 | pickcoder | I reported it back in Dec |
| 21:00.41 | xand | abrotman: erm excuse me :| |
| 21:00.41 | peterS | Heston: and that is why in a commercial business, nobody just upgrades a server without testing the upgrade first. also, nobody runs the server on a random snapshot of debian unstable. |
| 21:00.41 | Heston | jelly-home, which you would be fixing in either case |
| 21:00.41 | abrotman | you're excused |
| 21:00.42 | stew | "nobody" |
| 21:00.48 | struct | abrotman: working hard? |
| 21:00.54 | ma3x | hey stew see my last comments |
| 21:00.56 | peterS | Heston: if you pull down a random upgrade and apply it to your mission-critical server without testing it, no matter _what_ system you are using, even Debian, you're an idiot |
| 21:01.16 | x_link | I'm sorry for asking a off-topic question, but there is something I need to ask. Cause it's not a problem with Beryl. |
| 21:01.17 | Supaplex | I agree with peterS, totally :-D |
| 21:01.18 | jelly-home | Heston: nope, in Debian you fix max. 3 versions. In your scenario you'd have to fix a lot of versions. |
| 21:01.22 | gnudo | the full error mesasage i got whenever i attempt to install etch from installation CD1 is at http://www.pastebin.ca/548752 |
| 21:01.32 | stew | ma3x: what? |
| 21:01.37 | x_link | Since I did an sudo aptitude update/upgrade 3 days ago I haven't been able to use Beryl with Testing. |
| 21:01.46 | x_link | It worked just fine until just that update/upgrade. |
| 21:01.47 | Heston | peterS, and if you discover this depencany issue on your test box first, leaving you to do nothing? |
| 21:01.52 | peterS | and for upgrades that you might want to apply directly to a live server (security upgrades from the debian stable release): we take a lot more care when _those_ updates than when providing random updates to debian unstable. |
| 21:02.02 | ma3x | stew, m-a doesnt compile modules on 2.6.21-2 |
| 21:02.03 | abrotman | struct: yep! |
| 21:02.06 | stew | ma3x: ok |
| 21:02.15 | x_link | It worked great with Testing before that, when I change to Debian Etch then Beryl works fine again. |
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| 21:02.30 | x_link | When I load Beryl then I can't open any programs or anything at all. |
| 21:02.31 | Supaplex | x_link: use pinning. |
| 21:02.34 | peterS | Heston: then you file a bug. if you can't live without an updated library for an extra few days, I really have to wonder what is so terribly important about it |
| 21:02.38 | x_link | Supaplex: What do you mean? |
| 21:02.39 | gnudo | abrotman: what can i do? i'm at the end of my tether! |
| 21:02.48 | x_link | Like I said, sorry for asking an off-topic question. |
| 21:02.53 | ma3x | stew, many say once you switch to sid, you can't go back to etch. why is that impossible |
| 21:02.56 | x_link | But it's really not a Beryl problem. |
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| 21:03.08 | x_link | ma3x: You can't "downgrade" |
| 21:03.10 | struct | abrotman: I'm hardly workin |
| 21:03.10 | peterS | Heston: you act as though upgrading from libldap 2.2.1 to libldap 2.2.4 is an urgent matter and your business will fail if you can't get it today instead of Monday. I mean really. |
| 21:03.11 | stew | ma3x: becuase maintainer scripts don't support downgrading |
| 21:03.13 | ma3x | stew, you could just reinstall all packages from etch |
| 21:03.17 | Heston | peterS, those few days wouldnt be needed with the functionality im talking about |
| 21:03.20 | Supaplex | x_link: you're using testing, and you don't know pinning? how sad. :) it's not off-topic if it's debian. /query dpkg pinning and bts to. |
| 21:03.24 | stew | ma3x: no, you can't |
| 21:03.34 | ma3x | stew, why not? |
| 21:03.35 | x_link | Supaplex: I'm a newbie =) |
| 21:03.36 | stew | ma3x: becuase maintainer scripts don't support downgrading |
| 21:03.38 | x_link | Supaplex: Sorry |
| 21:03.42 | ma3x | you dont need scripts for that |
| 21:03.45 | Supaplex | x_link: nebs and testing don't mix. |
| 21:03.50 | jelly-home | ma3x: sure you do. |
| 21:03.51 | ma3x | you can do it manually |
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| 21:04.22 | ma3x | tell me an example |
| 21:04.23 | stew | ma3x: that's more work than reinstalling |
| 21:04.29 | x_link | Supaplex: Everything has worked just fine so far, I used Etch when it was testing as well. |
| 21:04.40 | Heston | peterS, the point is, now you wouldnt have to rely on that bug report(responsible maintainer), you would be able to correct the issue asap |
| 21:04.44 | stew | ma3x: how do you downgrade from mysql 5 to mysql 4 |
| 21:04.44 | jelly-home | ma3x: try reinstalling an older version of postresql when the database is update to the new format. |
| 21:04.44 | peterS | Heston: your solution is complex and will break lots of assumptions. I don't care how simple you think it is in theory, in practice it adds a huge amount of administrative overhead. it won't happen unless you can prove that it's actually needed. the example I gave happened in the unstable distribution. you seem to think it happened in debian stable. as far as I know, the problem you're trying to solve doesn't happen in ... |
| 21:04.50 | peterS | ... stable and if it did, your solution wouldn't fix it anyway. |
| 21:05.01 | ma3x | stew, you remove mysql5 you install 4 |
| 21:05.10 | stew | ma3x: that won't work |
| 21:05.18 | abrotman | gnudo: and you have on idea how you got sarge installed ? |
| 21:05.22 | ma3x | why not? |
| 21:05.29 | abrotman | gnudo: i'd ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:05.29 | peterS | Heston: what kinds of updates do you do to a debian stable system? answer: mostly security updates. and if a library gets a security update, do you _really_ want the new version not to replace the old version? it would be a useless update in that case! so your "solution" woudln't even solve that case! |
| 21:05.30 | stew | ma3x: becuase mysql 4 doesn't know how to read mysql 5's files |
| 21:05.33 | Supaplex | x_link: what's "dpkg -l apt-listbugs | grep apt-listbugs" show? |
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| 21:05.58 | x_link | Supaplex: I will see, hold on |
| 21:06.07 | Heston | peterS, security updates rarely change the version |
| 21:06.11 | Supaplex | ma3x: also, mysql5 migrates mysql4 data to 5 (more native) |
| 21:06.14 | ma3x | stew, databases you mean |
| 21:06.20 | stew | ma3x: yes |
| 21:06.25 | peterS | Heston: right, so if they break your applications, you're screwed even with your "solution" |
| 21:06.32 | ma3x | stew, well i dont have mysql 5 databases |
| 21:06.35 | ma3x | is that the only thing |
| 21:06.36 | gnudo | abrotman: installing sarge was not a problem for this newbie but i do not have the sarge install cd nor the bandwith to do a dist upgrade anyomore! |
| 21:06.36 | Heston | peterS, and that was definately not the senario i was talking about |
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| 21:06.48 | stew | ma3x: ok, that's one down a couple hundred other packages to go |
| 21:06.55 | Supaplex | speaking of dist-upgrade.. humm |
| 21:07.00 | Heston | my solution was not for that problem |
| 21:07.12 | peterS | Heston: what scenario are you talking about, then? besides security updates, when else would you need to upgrade package on a production server in such a hurry that you don't have time to test the new stuff before putting it there? |
| 21:07.24 | ma3x | stew, you just do apt-get install --reinstall :) |
| 21:07.30 | jelly-home | ma3x: the point is there is absolutely no guarantee that newer configs will work with older versions of packages. Hence, downgrade is impossible. |
| 21:07.34 | stew | ma3x: that won't work for all packages |
| 21:07.39 | x_link | Supaplex: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24637/ |
| 21:07.43 | ma3x | stew, of course not for all |
| 21:07.52 | Heston | you're upgrading ONE app, for additional functionality, it requires an upgraded lib |
| 21:07.58 | ma3x | but it is possible to find your way to do it |
| 21:08.09 | Supaplex | Heston: fwiw, Only now are we comfy with migrating to Etch on production systems. We *always* let stable settle for atleast month before making the leap. We also test on smaller less critical systems first (to name a few things) |
| 21:08.18 | gnudo | abrotman: debian-boot is inhabitated by ghosts! i did ask there! |
| 21:08.24 | stew | ma3x: maybe, but its much more work than reinstalling |
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| 21:08.32 | peterS | Heston: then you've already gone outside the debian archive. because if you got the app from the debian stable archive, it wouldn't need a new library. |
| 21:08.41 | nermals | hi i'm new to debian, and when viewing man pages, the pages seem to get piped through more. i.e. i'm unable to use pgup, pgdown, arrow up, etc. to view stuff. how do i change that? |
| 21:08.50 | ma3x | stew, 30 mins for desktop used i'd say |
| 21:09.00 | Supaplex | !tell x_link about apt-listbugs |
| 21:09.01 | ma3x | user* |
| 21:09.03 | valdyn | nermals: apt-get install less ? |
| 21:09.07 | peterS | Heston: since you've gone outside the archive, whoever provides the new app should arrange for it to be staticly linked with the library that isn't in debian stable, or a similar solution |
| 21:09.13 | stew | ma3x: what did you base that on? what do you think you'd spend the bulk of the time on? |
| 21:09.21 | Heston | peterS, and that's a large part of the problem. All the apps in stable dont get updated for reasons other than security fixes |
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| 21:09.30 | stew | why am i wasting my time persuing this? |
| 21:09.47 | jelly-home | Heston: that's a completely different issue. |
| 21:09.52 | pickcoder | Heston: it takes a while to fully test a source version and the libraries it uses |
| 21:10.06 | Heston | i understand that |
| 21:10.07 | ma3x | stew, is there a way to list all packages separated by space? like package1 package2 ..... |
| 21:10.08 | peterS | Heston: they don't get updated because that's what debian stable means. if you want a stable release which really means apps and libraries are updated from time to time, you don't want a stable release and you have to be prepared to accept lowered quality control |
| 21:10.20 | abrotman | gnudo: they'll show up eventually :) |
| 21:10.41 | stew | ma3x: what do you mean by all packages? |
| 21:10.52 | gnudo | a friend of mine asked 4 times already at different times of the day! |
| 21:11.02 | abrotman | gnudo: do you have any options in the BIOS related to the hdds ? |
| 21:11.08 | x_link | Supaplex: This is a bit hard for me |
| 21:11.15 | ma3x | stew, just like dpkg -l but without descriptions and in line |
| 21:11.15 | gnudo | hdds? what is that? |
| 21:11.18 | peterS | Heston: apparently you want something other than debian stable, yet you want to impose a library versioning policy which adversely affects debian. I'm afraid you won't find many takers. |
| 21:11.29 | Supaplex | x_link: apt-listbugs is hard for you? |
| 21:11.31 | stew | ma3x: i'd use awk |
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| 21:11.44 | ma3x | what you type exactly |
| 21:11.52 | stew | ma3x: 'man awk' |
| 21:12.04 | ma3x | i ll learn awk now |
| 21:12.07 | Supaplex | ma3x: all installed packages? or just every package known to your sources.list? |
| 21:12.09 | x_link | Supaplex: I should do that as a command? |
| 21:12.16 | ma3x | Supaplex, all installed packages |
| 21:12.20 | pickcoder | Heston: I totally get what you saying. However, it makes for a potentially unstable system unless like PeterS said, you statically link your own local install of the libs for a specific app version outside the repos |
| 21:12.34 | Heston | peterS, you and I both know, testing is used very frequently and this is where the issue i talk of is most likely to occur |
| 21:12.38 | Supaplex | x_link: no, just install it. you'll be prompted in the future when critical bugs are already filed on packages you're updating. |
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| 21:12.50 | Supaplex | ma3x: man dpkg =) |
| 21:12.53 | abrotman | i can't believe you guys are still arguing with heston :) |
| 21:12.57 | x_link | Supaplex: I installed it |
| 21:13.13 | Heston | abrotman, i cant believe you needed to say that to get some attention |
| 21:13.19 | ma3x | Supaplex, that displays them with descriptions and vertical |
| 21:13.28 | abrotman | Heston: trust me .. i don't need attention .. i've got ma3x to keep me company :) |
| 21:13.36 | Heston | abrotman, then please, shutup |
| 21:13.41 | abrotman | aww .. poor guy |
| 21:13.43 | peterS | Heston: if you run testing, you acknowledge that you do not require the kind of reputation for a working system that you get with debian stable. therefore your "24 hours is a long time in a commercial business" argument does not apply. |
| 21:13.46 | Supaplex | ma3x: correct. dpkg+awk |
| 21:13.58 | stew | ma3x: use awk to extract the second column. change the "output record separator" from the defautlt newline to a space |
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| 21:14.06 | Heston | peterS, because that was with regards to Stable |
| 21:14.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: the matrix has you |
| 21:14.08 | peterS | Heston: also, you're wrong, the situation is not likely to occur in testing, it is likely to occur in unstable. then we notice the bug, and it prevents the new library from entering testing until the issue has been resolved |
| 21:14.21 | abrotman | jelly-home: i blame the roadmap |
| 21:14.21 | x_link | Supaplex: So now I must install Beryl from etch repo or what? |
| 21:14.28 | peterS | Heston: in the example I gave, the broken library I uploaded didn't go anywhere near testing |
| 21:14.44 | stew | ma3x: if you are going to use this list to try to move from unstable to stable, i'd encourage you not to bother |
| 21:14.50 | ma3x | stew, i will note that and learn it in a few days ... |
| 21:15.03 | abrotman | peterS: eh .. side question .. someone was in here yesterday saying there was no init script for svnserv |
| 21:15.07 | ma3x | nah, i wont do it... too much work as you say |
| 21:15.11 | jelly-home | Heston: how long have you been using testing? |
| 21:15.11 | abrotman | is it supposed to run from inetd ? |
| 21:15.11 | Heston | peterS, you're trying to take one situation as an example for what always happens? |
| 21:15.20 | ma3x | i just saw how many hundreds of packages dpkg -l lists |
| 21:15.28 | abrotman | ma3x: dpkg -l | wc -l |
| 21:15.39 | peterS | abrotman: correct. that's been on my todo list for a very long time but I've never gotten around to it. adding a line to /etc/inetd.conf is the simplest workaround. there's no particular reason svnserve shouldn't just be launched from inetd |
| 21:15.44 | stew | ma3x: yes, and some of those packages aren't even installed. and many of them don't exist in stable |
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| 21:15.57 | abrotman | peterS: the guy was trying to use a RH-ish init script on debian |
| 21:15.58 | ma3x | stew, virtual packages ? |
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| 21:16.08 | stew | ma3x: i don't understand the question |
| 21:16.32 | ma3x | abrotman, about 1000. I thought about 200-300 |
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| 21:16.40 | peterS | Heston: I'll bet I've used debian and paid attention to debian development longer than you have. probably a lot longer. and I can't think of any incidents where your "solution" would actually help anybody running stable or testing. I think it's time for you to come up with a counterexample from real life |
| 21:16.41 | abrotman | ma3x: did you grep ii ? |
| 21:16.55 | ma3x | you said some of them aren't installed or dont exist in stable |
| 21:17.00 | ma3x | are those virtual packages? |
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| 21:17.19 | abrotman | ma3x: right ... dpkg -l | grep ^ii | wc -l |
| 21:17.22 | Heston | peterS, it's obviously happened to me before or else i wouldnt be here talking about it |
| 21:17.26 | peterS | abrotman: that can be done, but inetd is a lot simpler. I think I even added an example inetd line to 'man svnserve' |
| 21:17.35 | peterS | Heston: please give a specific instance |
| 21:17.38 | abrotman | peterS: i didn't read it .. guess he didn't either :) |
| 21:17.40 | Heston | peterS, and you're lack of proof, is proof concept doesnt really hold |
| 21:17.43 | jelly-home | Heston: how long ago, which package? |
| 21:17.53 | ma3x | abrotman, yeah still about 950 |
| 21:18.00 | abrotman | ma3x: you must be running KDE |
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| 21:18.14 | ma3x | yeah |
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| 21:18.21 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 21:18.31 | peterS | Heston: au contraire, lack of evidence that an intrusive and annoying solution would actually solve anything is a very strong argument not to implement it. |
| 21:18.32 | ma3x | ++ abrotman |
| 21:18.41 | stew | abrotman: heh, mine is 1507, must i be running kde? |
| 21:18.42 | Heston | jelly-home, if i could name the package, what would that change? |
| 21:18.53 | abrotman | stew: no .. you just read debaday and try them all :) |
| 21:18.54 | ma3x | stew, you must be running mysql |
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| 21:19.09 | stew | not on this machine |
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| 21:19.23 | ma3x | why so many packages then |
| 21:19.24 | jelly-home | Heston: you'd have a valid argument |
| 21:19.29 | slacker403 | where are zone data paths ??? for bind stored ? |
| 21:19.34 | Heston | jelly-home, no |
| 21:19.40 | abrotman | slacker403: that depends where you put them :) |
| 21:19.41 | peterS | Heston: it's very simple. go figure out what library package in Debian broke your system, and what version broke it, and whether it was stable or testing. |
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| 21:19.51 | slacker403 | abrotman: normally ? |
| 21:19.52 | Heston | jelly-home, i could make one up if i wanted to, it wouldnt change anything |
| 21:19.55 | slacker403 | for debian ? |
| 21:19.56 | abrotman | slacker403: /etc/bind/named.conf will tell you where |
| 21:20.08 | jelly-home | Heston: you couldn't make it up even if you wanted to. |
| 21:20.21 | peterS | Heston: if you can't come up with an example, then you have no argument. "this could theoretically break" is a long long way from "this breaks sometimes on real systems" |
| 21:20.36 | abrotman | theoretically .. i could go to DC7! |
| 21:20.46 | peterS | Heston: you ALREADY CLAIM that this has happened to you in the past. we just need you to give us the details. |
| 21:20.48 | Heston | jelly-home, sorry but school yard insults dont work here |
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| 21:21.06 | jelly-home | Heston: so stop using them :-) |
| 21:21.13 | slacker403 | abrotman: where in the file i dont see it anywhere ? |
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| 21:21.21 | Heston | jelly-home, i hope you're not serious.... |
| 21:21.24 | abrotman | slacker403: do you have bind installed ? |
| 21:21.27 | slacker403 | yes |
| 21:21.32 | slacker403 | i am looking at that file now |
| 21:21.32 | abrotman | bind9-host ? |
| 21:21.34 | _Fredd_ | some free program for the edition of videos ? |
| 21:21.34 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 21:21.40 | abrotman | slacker403: you have to make them .. i thought you already had them |
| 21:21.40 | slacker403 | apt-get install bind |
| 21:21.43 | peterS | Heston: and, by the way, if you're talking about breakage on some system that wasn't Debian stable / testing, that isn't very interesting to us |
| 21:21.48 | hmdl | hi guys, I have a little problem, I cant set my Debian Etch to establish ppp0 as the default route gateway at startup |
| 21:21.53 | jelly-home | Heston: I am, please provide the buggy package library name and the app it broke |
| 21:21.57 | slacker403 | abrotman: i jus did apt-get install bind |
| 21:22.02 | abrotman | hmdl: does ppp0 exist at startup ? |
| 21:22.14 | hmdl | yes abchirk |
| 21:22.16 | abrotman | slacker403: okay .. you still have to create your zone files |
| 21:22.19 | hmdl | yes abrotman |
| 21:22.21 | slacker403 | yes i know |
| 21:22.22 | Heston | jelly-home, eve if i could name those, it would be relative to a specific date |
| 21:22.23 | stew | _Fredd_: "apt-cache search video edit" |
| 21:22.25 | abrotman | hmdl: so you dial on startup ? |
| 21:22.28 | slacker403 | i am wondering where the yare stored though |
| 21:22.36 | peterS | Heston: that's fine, we can work with specific dates. |
| 21:22.36 | Supaplex | hmdl: that's an option in pppconfig |
| 21:22.37 | hmdl | oh no, sorrry, I meant pppoe |
| 21:22.39 | jelly-home | Heston: no problem. |
| 21:22.41 | abrotman | slacker403: /etc/bind/ is one place you can put them |
| 21:22.45 | hmdl | an ADSL link |
| 21:22.49 | abrotman | ah. |
| 21:22.55 | Heston | peterS, you assume i would do my best to remember such details |
| 21:22.57 | slacker403 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.57 | slacker403 | $_CONF['path'] = "/usr/sbin/named"; |
| 21:23.06 | slacker403 | thatsn ot the right location i need to change it to the right location |
| 21:23.09 | slacker403 | abrotman: ^^ |
| 21:23.11 | abrotman | nope |
| 21:23.19 | hmdl | I mean, I could make a script a startup that does : route add default gw IP_OF_PPP0 |
| 21:23.19 | abrotman | slacker403: you might want to read the BIND-ARM |
| 21:23.25 | Heston | because im sure you can name the date of every quirk you've had with debian |
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| 21:23.27 | peterS | Heston: if you actually care about convincing anyone that your proposed solution solves a real problem, instead of just a theoretical problem, then you'll want to do that, yes. if you don't care, then you won't |
| 21:23.31 | RaphaelZ | hey, how can I check what version of php have been installed to the server? |
| 21:23.36 | RaphaelZ | dpkg --version.. ? |
| 21:23.38 | abrotman | RaphaelZ: dpkg -l php* |
| 21:23.39 | pickcoder | Heston: it should be in the change logs or the bug history of the offending package |
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| 21:23.42 | RaphaelZ | l |
| 21:23.44 | RaphaelZ | yeah |
| 21:23.51 | RaphaelZ | let me check that command from the manual |
| 21:23.58 | slacker403 | abrotman: i am jus wondering the default conf patch for zone data files |
| 21:23.59 | peterS | Heston: so far you haven't convinced any of us that your problem is real. if that's fine with you, then fine. |
| 21:24.00 | abrotman | hmdl: and what number is that script ? |
| 21:24.02 | Heston | pickcoder, this happened on a much older install, a different box even |
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| 21:24.11 | abrotman | slacker403: there isn't one .. you can put them whereever you like |
| 21:24.18 | Heston | peterS, your opinion doesnt mean a whole lot to me |
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| 21:24.21 | hmdl | I havent made the script yet, because I think that would suck |
| 21:24.21 | pickcoder | What? Potatoe? |
| 21:24.26 | abrotman | slacker403: some put them in under /var/ .. some under /etc/ .. some under /home/ |
| 21:24.33 | slacker403 | abrotman: theres no place where i would want to put them ? |
| 21:24.44 | abrotman | slacker403: it's really up to you :) |
| 21:24.45 | hmdl | what I need to know is where Debian reads the default gateway at startup |
| 21:24.51 | peterS | Heston: that's good, because yours means even less to me. until you actually provide a reason for me to believe you have a real problem to be solved, anyway. |
| 21:24.51 | slacker403 | whats the best place ? |
| 21:24.54 | abrotman | hmdl: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 21:24.56 | nitro4ce | hi. i installed advance mame, but i get no GUI. |
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| 21:26.00 | Heston | peterS, if i was serious about implementing my "solution" as you call it, do you think I would go to you first? |
| 21:26.10 | Heston | Please |
| 21:26.11 | pickcoder | Potato even |
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| 21:26.20 | peterS | Heston: not to me personally, but you'd probably want to feel it out on an IRC channel before diving straight in, yes. |
| 21:26.42 | peterS | Heston: that way you could get feedback on whether you had a solid design and so forth |
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| 21:26.58 | Heston | peterS, there are the opinions of many here, and the opinions that matter are quite few |
| 21:27.04 | Supaplex | ma3x: dpkg --get-selections | perl -e 'while(<>){push (@p,$1) if $_ =~ m/(\S+)\s*install$/};print "@p\n"' :) |
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| 21:27.27 | clars | How do I find out the name of the "webserver?s" user and "webserver?s group" ? |
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| 21:27.37 | peterS | Heston: the alternative is of course to email debian-devel@lists.debian.org and post your design there. but the feedback you get via email takes longer than what you get on IRC, so if I were thinking of that sort of thing I'd definitely ping people on IRC first |
| 21:27.40 | abrotman | clars: look in /etc/passwd .. likely www-data |
| 21:27.46 | clars | oki |
| 21:28.01 | Heston | peterS, want to know the difference of responses? |
| 21:28.08 | Heston | only one of them would matter |
| 21:28.23 | Supaplex | Heston: we've painted a picture of it so far :) |
| 21:28.51 | jelly-home | peterS: obviously a lib* debian developer opinion doesn't matter to him :-) |
| 21:28.52 | Supaplex | clars: www-data /etc/passwd /etc/group |
| 21:29.02 | Heston | Supaplex, too bad your brush wont be making anything i care about |
| 21:29.09 | peterS | jelly-home: yeah, never mind that I maintain real library packages in debian, my opinion is clearly not interesting |
| 21:29.16 | jelly-home | !ops Heston is trolling |
| 21:29.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: Heston is trolling |
| 21:29.25 | jelly-home | I'm calling the bluff. |
| 21:29.38 | stew | jelly-home: when he is currently in the middle of a discussion with an op, there is no reason to call the rest of the ops |
| 21:29.40 | Heston | congratulations, you're on ignore |
| 21:29.53 | RaphaelZ | anyways,, abrotman: thanks laddie for the dpkg command |
| 21:30.11 | clars | Supaplex, ;-) |
| 21:30.12 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 21:30.17 | jelly-home | stew: oh well. |
| 21:30.21 | peterS | Heston: I'll tell you what really doesn't matter. people talking about a whole new design for the package manager when they have no interest in doing any of the work to implement it. if that describes you.... |
| 21:30.23 | abrotman | stew: maybe .. but .... |
| 21:30.28 | Supaplex | Heston: that's your best idea yet. :p no really, I'm indifferent. I value the maintainers, my systemr uns sanely and stable. |
| 21:30.48 | abrotman | even if his keyboard doesn't! |
| 21:30.57 | Supaplex | Heston: ask some other distro how they do it. :D ohhh lets see... gentoo anyone? hehe. |
| 21:31.18 | peterS | Heston: well, let's just say, if you want to talk about a big job of work that you don't intend to do personally, you should have a lot of interest in convincing someone else to do it. yet you seem to be saying you don't really care about convincing anyone else that it's even a good idea. this doesn't seem very productive. |
| 21:31.24 | slacker403 | where is named-checkconf at ????? |
| 21:31.27 | slacker403 | icant find it anywhere |
| 21:31.42 | Supaplex | slacker403: try apt-file search |
| 21:32.08 | slacker403 | i think its already on my system |
| 21:32.22 | hmdl | I have read the interface manual and yet I cant find how to set my pppoe interface to be the default gateway at startup, could anyone help me please? |
| 21:32.24 | Heston | peterS, many people put out an idea to see how its received before deciding they should just do it themselved but others are too blind |
| 21:32.35 | Heston | themselves |
| 21:32.40 | Supaplex | slacker403: run whareis named-checkconf |
| 21:32.45 | abrotman | whereis? |
| 21:32.51 | abrotman | !tell slacker403 about search |
| 21:33.06 | Heston | s/but/because |
| 21:33.25 | peterS | Heston: well, either you mentioned your idea because you're convinced it's a good one regardless of what anyone else thinks, or you posted it because you want feedback on whether it's a good one. we gave you feedback to indicate that we don't think it is a good idea. if you didn't want the feedback, oh well, sorry for wasting your time. |
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| 21:33.54 | Supaplex | Heston: is that what you call your overt hostility? (again, i'm indifferent) |
| 21:34.00 | Supaplex | pen testing an idea? |
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| 21:34.29 | Spyro_boy | Hello. |
| 21:35.08 | en1gma | im running debian sid amd64 (trying to fix java and flash problems with firefox)....i dloaded the firefox 32bit and untarred it but when i try to '/home/nunyer/firefox/firefox-bin' it dont appear to do anything...can someone tell me what i might need to do |
| 21:35.38 | Spyro_boy | I have this IDE->USB HDD cradle here. dmesg shows that my kernel recognizes it as "usb 1-8: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 9" "usb 1-8: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice" but it doesn't give it a /dev/. Any ideas? |
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| 21:35.44 | hmdl | I have read the interface manual and yet I cant find how to set my pppoe interface to be the default gateway at startup, could anyone help me please? |
| 21:35.55 | Heston | peterS, you seem to think that just because the odd few think an idea is flawed that it considered proof of such |
| 21:36.04 | Heston | it is |
| 21:36.04 | peterS | Heston: as a parting shot, I guess I should mention that the example I gave earlier (the broken library update I once put in debian unstable) would not have been prevented by your system, because the library version was the same - it was _my_ patch on top of the library which broke things |
| 21:36.06 | jakub__ | prm prm |
| 21:36.07 | jakub__ | hi |
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| 21:36.08 | pickcoder | Spyro_boy: is it in /media/ by chance? |
| 21:36.10 | jakub__ | Debian 4ever |
| 21:36.17 | Supaplex | hmdl: I recall pppconfig having this kind of option, did you check out pppoeconfig to see if it has something similar? |
| 21:36.21 | Spyro_boy | pickcoder, it's not mounted. |
| 21:36.26 | Heston | peterS, we've already gone over this |
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| 21:36.35 | peterS | Heston: no, I hadn't mentioned that part before |
| 21:36.42 | Heston | peterS, no, you have |
| 21:36.47 | Heston | would you like a quote? |
| 21:36.50 | hmdl | I did Supaplex , im gonna do it again, but Im almost sure it did nothing |
| 21:36.58 | gnujsa | hello |
| 21:37.06 | peterS | Heston: yes. where did I mention that the version of my broken library didn't change? |
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| 21:37.23 | Supaplex | hmdl: ok. I haven't got pppoeconfig working to date, and dsl bridging *sniff* - good luck. :) |
| 21:37.35 | Heston | peterS, a minor detail to your repeated so called shot |
| 21:37.40 | peterS | Heston: I mention it now to demonstrate that "new version of library" is not the only case where a package can break your applications. and as such, your "solution" is incomplete. |
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| 21:38.07 | slacker403 | i dont think its there |
| 21:38.08 | en1gma | all you amd64 ppl how do you get java and flash working with firefox? |
| 21:38.14 | Heston | peterS, because you're trying to encorporate my solution to what it wasnt meant to solve |
| 21:38.15 | slacker403 | i need this named-checkconf |
| 21:38.22 | slacker403 | but its not in the bind package |
| 21:38.33 | Supaplex | peterS: <sarcasm> Give up peterS, Heston is always right, and perfectly invincible. You can't hurt his pride. No way no how. Can't you see? </sarcasm> Ok, I'll STFU now on this topic. :) adieu. |
| 21:38.35 | Heston | incorporate even |
| 21:38.46 | peterS | Heston: so far I am the only one here who has even given an example of the problem you're trying to solve. you have given no examples. so mine is the best we have to work with. and mine wouldn't have been solved by your system, for two separate reasons. so. |
| 21:38.46 | Supaplex | :P |
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| 21:39.12 | en1gma | Java, Flash, Debian Sid Amd64? how do we do this |
| 21:39.19 | Supaplex | en1gma afaik flash and 64bit has its own set of issues. |
| 21:39.20 | Heston | peterS, no, ive already given the main senario |
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| 21:39.29 | abrotman | but no hard example |
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| 21:39.34 | abrotman | argh .. i didn't mean to talk |
| 21:39.34 | en1gma | what about firefox 32bit with the ia32 libs |
| 21:39.46 | slacker403 | abrotman: is named-bootconf same thing as checkconf ? |
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| 21:39.51 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 21:39.55 | dimitarm | can you help me with internet connection sharing? |
| 21:40.01 | Supaplex | slacker403: supaplex@armada:~$ apt-file search checkconf |
| 21:40.01 | Supaplex | bind9: usr/sbin/named-checkconf |
| 21:40.11 | en1gma | how do i add debian sid repo for non amd64 |
| 21:40.21 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 21:40.27 | en1gma | ill just tell it to get the firefox and plugins for java and flash |
| 21:40.32 | dimitarm | I've googled a lot but still no success. |
| 21:40.35 | HardDisk_WP | does a list of Debian/V4l/V4l2-compatible webcams exist? |
| 21:40.38 | abrotman | en1gma: you can't |
| 21:40.42 | nermals | how do i add support for page up/down, arrow keys in man pages? |
| 21:40.44 | N1ckR | hmm, jfs to jfs copy is using 58% cpu, which is 8% more than xfs, lets see if it drops/settles down |
| 21:40.53 | stew | nermals: aptitude install less |
| 21:40.56 | peterS | Heston: oh, you wanted more specifics? ok, I the broken library I uploaded was libgpmg1 1.19.6-18, and the change was reverted by Guillem Jover in libgpmg1 1.19.6-19. This happened in October 2004. |
| 21:40.58 | HardDisk_WP | i want a cam for which are GPL or DFSG compatible drivers are available |
| 21:41.01 | en1gma | how are ppl using 32bit firefox in an amd64 enviroment |
| 21:41.07 | abrotman | chroot |
| 21:41.10 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 21:41.10 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper |
| 21:41.16 | stew | nermals: that will change your default pager from 'more' to 'less'. 'less' is a more fully featured pager |
| 21:41.18 | slacker403 | Supaplex: /usr/sbin/named |
| 21:41.18 | slacker403 | named named-bootconf named-xfer |
| 21:41.23 | peterS | Heston: now your tuen |
| 21:41.24 | slacker403 | thats all i have |
| 21:41.24 | peterS | turn |
| 21:41.30 | en1gma | ahh nice i never knew there was a deian-amd64 |
| 21:41.32 | en1gma | thanks man |
| 21:41.34 | Supaplex | slacker403: dpkg -l bind9 |
| 21:41.37 | abrotman | oh .. don't mention it |
| 21:41.44 | abrotman | Supaplex: * |
| 21:41.52 | Heston | peterS, congratulations, you looked it up, you didnt recall it. Not to mention you would need a specific date, not a month |
| 21:41.53 | Supaplex | abrotman: yo? |
| 21:42.00 | abrotman | put a * on the end! |
| 21:42.09 | Supaplex | oh |
| 21:42.22 | slacker403 | Supaplex: lol i have bind installed but i jus did apt-get install bind .........not apt-get install bind9 |
| 21:42.22 | Supaplex | slacker403: dpkg -l bind9* | grep bind9 |
| 21:42.27 | peterS | Heston: it took me 10 seconds to find the information, then another 30 seconds to look up the bug report to double-check that it was the correct example I was thinking of |
| 21:42.31 | peterS | Heston: your turn |
| 21:42.38 | nermals | stew, thanks |
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| 21:42.56 | Heston | peterS, i believe it's still yours |
| 21:43.02 | Supaplex | does dpkg do karma tracking? :) |
| 21:43.05 | jelly-home | peterS: heh, you really think he's going to provide any sort of concrete example? |
| 21:43.06 | abrotman | !karma abrotman |
| 21:43.07 | dpkg | abrotman has karma of 31 |
| 21:43.10 | peterS | Heston: you want a specific date? ok, the changelog indicates that 1.19.6-18 was released on October 15, 2004, and 1.19.6-19 was released on October 16, 2004. |
| 21:43.14 | slacker403 | Supaplex: so what do i have installed ? |
| 21:43.29 | Heston | peterS, you're asking me to remember exactly what happened, you're looking at a bug report, please, try making a valid arguement |
| 21:43.31 | slacker403 | should i remove the old bind ? |
| 21:43.34 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:43.36 | peterS | Heston: this is not difficult information to find, it's right there in /usr/share/doc/libgpmg1/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 21:44.02 | nweaver916 | Got a funny issue here...I have installed deb stable onto a Sun NetraT1. It has 2 network interfaces, but there is not eth1 (there is an eth0) |
| 21:44.07 | Supaplex | slacker403: named-checkconf is only in bind9 - if you want it, install that. aptitude show <pacakge> .. .. for more information on why there's two. |
| 21:44.18 | abrotman | nweaver916: possible one is broken phyiscally ? |
| 21:44.21 | stew | Heston: can you please summarize for us, what is the problem you are trying to solve? |
| 21:44.22 | slacker403 | Supaplex: do i have to delete the old regualr bind as well ? |
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| 21:44.27 | nweaver916 | dmesg | grep eth shows eth0 and eth1, but the have the same mac address |
| 21:44.42 | slacker403 | whats the difference between bind and bin9 |
| 21:44.44 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 21:44.44 | peterS | Heston: when I realised that you were skeptical about my example, I dug it up - 10 seconds to read the changelog and find the exact point I remembered, a bit more time to verify the information through a second source to make sure it was the one I was thinking of. this is a great thing about debian and /usr/share/doc/*/changelog.Debian.gz files. |
| 21:44.45 | Supaplex | slacker403: I don't see why you'd want both |
| 21:44.45 | slacker403 | bind |
| 21:44.48 | abrotman | slacker403: you want bind9 |
| 21:44.51 | nweaver916 | I configured /etc/network/interfaces for eth1, and tried to ifup it, and it didn't work |
| 21:44.57 | N1ckR | ext3 is using 66% cpu, waaaaaaah ! |
| 21:45.01 | slacker403 | abrotman: do i need jus "bind" ? |
| 21:45.03 | abrotman | nweaver916: ifconfig -a .. see it? |
| 21:45.10 | stew | Heston: becuase it seems we have lost sight of what it is you are trying to solve, and therefore this conversation is not progressing |
| 21:45.12 | nweaver916 | maybe because it's not physically up? |
| 21:46.00 | abrotman | slacker403: i believ eit's a meta package |
| 21:46.00 | Supaplex | slacker403: run aptitude show bind bind9 and find out like I already said. *g*. |
| 21:46.00 | abrotman | nweaver916: ifconfig eth1 up ? |
| 21:46.00 | Heston | peterS, as ive already mentioned a few times, you're asking me to remember what happened, as they clearly wouldnt be in any logs |
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| 21:46.01 | Heston | peterS, is that too difficult for you to understand? |
| 21:46.01 | peterS | Heston: if you can just remember the package name, you can read the debian changelog to find out when it broke something and when it got fixed |
| 21:46.01 | nweaver916 | ifconfig -a shows an eth1_rena |
| 21:46.10 | Supaplex | and yes, bind9 replaces bind. bind isn't a meta package. |
| 21:46.33 | dimitarm | so... I've got ipmasq installed but still no connection sharing :P |
| 21:46.36 | peterS | Heston: otherwise we have to proceed on the assumption that you might be remembering breakage from debian unstable, or maybe from Slackware, or maybe from Windows NT. if you can't remember enough details to verify the incident, how can we trust what you do remember? |
| 21:46.43 | Supaplex | Heston: is it too difficult for you to recall it? |
| 21:46.55 | stew | Heston: plesae just state the problem you are trying to solve so that it is clear to everybody instead of just continually telling peterS that he isnt' getting it |
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| 21:47.09 | stew | otherwise this conversation is really getting pointless |
| 21:47.31 | peterS | stew: I know what problem he's trying to solve, we only disagree that the problem ever occurs in practice. or, rather, that the instances of the problem that would actually be solved actually occur in practice |
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| 21:48.07 | hmdl | I cant fix this problem |
| 21:48.09 | Supaplex | peterS: at this point, pusing the Heston mute button would be welcome anyway. :p |
| 21:48.11 | hmdl | please, give me a hand guys |
| 21:48.18 | Heston | Supaplex, what an intelligent question. dont you think if I could recall the package that i would then mention it? |
| 21:48.23 | slacker403 | how do i add my www-data user to the group that runs bind ? |
| 21:48.28 | hmdl | how can I set a specific device to be the default gateway at startup? |
| 21:48.34 | hmdl | the interface gets dynamic IPs |
| 21:48.34 | abrotman | Heston: how long ago was it .. there might be some info in the mailing lists |
| 21:48.49 | Supaplex | Heston: yes, but otherwise i'd have to assume you're avoiding it. |
| 21:48.52 | Heston | abrotman, about a year |
| 21:48.55 | atealtha | slacker403: man usermod |
| 21:48.55 | hmdl | and the command route add default gateway needs an IP, not an interface |
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| 21:49.14 | karmatronic | hmdl: route add default gw dev ppp0 maybe |
| 21:49.18 | Heston | Supaplex, then your question was pointless |
| 21:49.32 | Supaplex | Heston: I was giving you the benifit of the doubt. |
| 21:49.47 | slacker403 | how od i find out what group that bind9 uses ? |
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| 21:49.56 | hmdl | # route add default gw dev ppp0 |
| 21:49.56 | Heston | Supaplex, that doubt couldnt possibely be changed with your question |
| 21:49.56 | hmdl | dev: Unknown host |
| 21:50.00 | jelly-home | pickcoder: nice troll, though. |
| 21:50.01 | karmatronic | slacker403: adduser user_name grou_name |
| 21:50.02 | peterS | Heston: can you even remember what library or what application might have been involved? |
| 21:50.14 | Supaplex | Heston: to me it would. |
| 21:50.28 | Supaplex | Heston: unless you're just lying now. |
| 21:50.31 | WreckNRoll | so, one day I'm booting up my debian laptop (2.6.18-4-686) and things are weird. . . most obviously weird, perhaps, is the lack of dmesg. It's gone. find / -iname dmesg returns; /var/log/dmesg which seems to just be a log of the last time I ran dmesg. It's gone through a few unsafe shutdowns |
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| 21:50.41 | stew | Supaplex: please just drop it, its clear that you are not intending to be helpful |
| 21:50.44 | slacker403 | how do i find out what group it uses ? |
| 21:50.44 | Heston | Supaplex, welcome to ignore |
| 21:51.17 | Heston | peterS, i could guess on vague memories, but that wouldnt help, now would it |
| 21:51.25 | WreckNRoll | . . . maybe I should search for some core utility packages and reinstall dmesg ? |
| 21:51.27 | Supaplex | I appologize for not ignoring the troll earlier. Hopefully I'll learn not to feed them next time. |
| 21:52.01 | peterS | Heston: not really, no. also, there are many instances of upgrade problems that your "solution" would not help, so without more details we can't assume the problems you observed weren't in that category |
| 21:52.09 | Supaplex | but no stew, I was interested until you got upset over it. *shrug* |
| 21:52.10 | WreckNRoll | (and pretend like it never disappeared) |
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| 21:52.17 | peterS | Heston: ...even if it _was_ debian stable or testing |
| 21:52.19 | datrus | hello |
| 21:52.21 | karmatronic | hmdl: i meant route add default ppp0 |
| 21:52.32 | nweaver916 | bleh, still can'g get that up...#Solaris says sun hardware has that same mac for both... |
| 21:52.34 | datrus | does anyone know where to find old source packages? |
| 21:52.44 | datrus | is there an archive of this |
| 21:52.52 | hmdl | I like that karmatronic |
| 21:52.59 | ma3x | Supaplex, hackerish enough thanks |
| 21:53.08 | peterS | for example, there was kernel 2.2.something which broke Sun Java. parallel library installs wouldn't help much with that, though we do have parallel kernel installs already so that would help. |
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| 21:54.08 | hmdl | karmatronic, added that line to /etc/network/interfaces and rebooted the machine... I hope it works! :P |
| 21:54.34 | karmatronic | hmdl: good luck :) |
| 21:54.41 | WreckNRoll | Anyone have any idea what could've happened to good 'ole dmesg ? |
| 21:55.42 | jelly-home | WreckNRoll: does dmesg the command work? |
| 21:55.49 | WreckNRoll | jelly-home , nope |
| 21:56.01 | WreckNRoll | find / -iname *dmesg* returns only /var/log/dmesg |
| 21:56.09 | WreckNRoll | or without the * * |
| 21:56.14 | WreckNRoll | samet hing. |
| 21:56.47 | WreckNRoll | It did work, though, I've used it plenty of times |
| 21:56.50 | Thms | WreckNRoll: you don't have dmesg in /bin? |
| 21:56.51 | stew | WreckNRoll: 'util-linux: /bin/dmesg' is util-linux installed? |
| 21:56.57 | WreckNRoll | Thms - nope |
| 21:57.04 | WreckNRoll | stew - it was . . |
| 21:57.10 | WreckNRoll | Maybe I should try re-installing that? |
| 21:57.16 | jelly-home | WreckNRoll: yup |
| 21:57.17 | stew | WreckNRoll: it is? or it was? |
| 21:57.18 | peterS | WreckNRoll: yeah try |
| 21:57.20 | WreckNRoll | It was |
| 21:57.25 | WreckNRoll | I've used dmesg . . .plenty of times |
| 21:57.32 | stew | Priority: required |
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| 21:57.53 | WreckNRoll | well, there it is |
| 21:57.56 | WreckNRoll | just like that |
| 21:58.01 | stew | WreckNRoll: one has to go out of their way to remoe a "Priority: required" package |
| 21:58.05 | WreckNRoll | maybe when I ran lspci -v it . . . removed dmesg . .? |
| 21:58.15 | WreckNRoll | stew - yeah, that's what makes it so weird. |
| 21:58.23 | stew | WreckNRoll: certainly nothing to do with lspci |
| 21:58.24 | WreckNRoll | Also, my connect script has been failing consistently on boot |
| 21:58.49 | jelly-home | WreckNRoll: I'd check /var/log/dpkg.log for time of removal |
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| 21:59.31 | peterS | im in ur util-linux, eatin ur dmesg |
| 21:59.38 | WreckNRoll | heh |
| 21:59.39 | HardDisk_WP | does a list of Debian/V4l/V4l2-compatible webcams exist? |
| 21:59.44 | WreckNRoll | maybe I should grep that file for util-linux |
| 22:00.01 | jelly-home | WreckNRoll: that was the idea, right |
| 22:00.07 | peterS | WreckNRoll: 'dpkg -L util-linux' or 'dpkg -S bin/dmesg' is the usual way to figure this stuff out |
| 22:00.41 | WreckNRoll | that sure is mysterious |
| 22:00.47 | WreckNRoll | I've got a remove util-linux on -4 |
| 22:00.48 | jelly-home | WreckNRoll: is your root on a funny filesystem known for losing files? :-) |
| 22:00.49 | WreckNRoll | 6-4 |
| 22:01.01 | WreckNRoll | probably |
| 22:01.06 | WreckNRoll | I did the debian auto-partition |
| 22:01.09 | WreckNRoll | it's on whatever that is |
| 22:01.24 | WreckNRoll | I don't really like how it did it |
| 22:01.27 | WreckNRoll | not enough space in /usr |
| 22:01.28 | jelly-home | the gremlins removed your packages. look around that line for probable suspects |
| 22:01.29 | WreckNRoll | and too much in /home |
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| 22:02.36 | jelly-home | WreckNRoll: I think dpkg isn't supposed to replace the previous version if there is not enough space to install the upgrade. |
| 22:02.59 | WreckNRoll | Well, there's enough . . .I'm just used to it being different |
| 22:03.07 | WreckNRoll | figured I'd do the auto-partition |
| 22:03.12 | pickcoder | don't forget apt-get clean |
| 22:03.47 | jelly-home | WreckNRoll: is your / filesystem nearly full? |
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| 22:04.13 | WreckNRoll | nah, far from it |
| 22:04.30 | WreckNRoll | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.46 | WreckNRoll | not really anything it needs to do, except continue connecting to the internet (with the sprint card) |
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| 22:05.04 | WreckNRoll | hopefully I won't lose pppd , next |
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| 22:06.11 | WreckNRoll | That util-linux sure seemed to solve everything though, man pages work again, and all that . . thankee folks |
| 22:06.18 | WreckNRoll | keep that in mind for future |
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| 22:07.18 | nweaver916 | is there a way to define mac address on bootup? I have that sun Netra with 2 ports, it shows eth0 and eth1 in dmesg, but it' shaving issues with eth1, and I cannot use the ifconfig command to change it. Any way? |
| 22:07.47 | nweaver916 | I get a "No such Device" error |
| 22:08.04 | nweaver916 | when I "ifconfig eth1 up" |
| 22:08.23 | pickcoder | nweaver916: is it defined in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:08.40 | xand | does ifconfig -a list it? |
| 22:08.51 | nweaver916 | pickcoder: Yes, I have stuff in there |
| 22:09.00 | nweaver916 | ifconfig -a shows eth1_rena |
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| 22:10.04 | pickcoder | could be a udev naming problem |
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| 22:10.42 | nweaver916 | it's (partly) a sun problem, they give the same mac to different prots on the same machine...really freakin smart, huh |
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| 22:11.36 | pickcoder | look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 22:11.57 | nweaver916 | just reconfigured interfaces with the eth1_rena name, still not bringing it up |
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| 22:12.37 | alexfranci | hello. when i launch rdate to set the time, how can i save it? |
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| 22:14.32 | nweaver916 | changed the last bit one character, now rebooting, lets hope it comes up this time |
| 22:14.44 | nweaver916 | although they showed the same hardware ID (it appeared anyway) |
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| 22:17.18 | bintrue|work | Question regarding sources.list and private apt-servers... can the components be named anything? eg. is deb http://<name>/ubuntu breezy 7600 a valid sources.list entry? |
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| 22:18.26 | hmdl | hi guys, I have a little problem, I cant set my Debian to establish ppp0 as the default route gateway at startup, because the command "route add default gw Ip xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" needs an IP, and my ADSL connection is dynamic |
| 22:18.36 | nweaver916 | blah, still not working after changing the udev rules, any other ideas? |
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| 22:19.07 | tls_81 | bintrue: are you trying to use the ubuntu rep's with debian? |
| 22:19.30 | bintrue|work | no, I just hoped someone in here would be more knowledgable with apt-servers |
| 22:19.37 | bintrue|work | my main concern is the 7600 at the end |
| 22:20.23 | pickcoder | nweaver916: can you not set a new MAC on eth1 using ifconfig? |
| 22:20.37 | tls_81 | bintrue: I dont have much experience with apt-servers... just seemed peculiar that you use ubuntu as an example... |
| 22:20.43 | nweaver916 | pickcoder: no, ifconfig does not recognize eth1 |
| 22:20.58 | tls_81 | sorry I cant be of more assitance |
| 22:21.57 | pickcoder | nweaver916: do they have different PCI addresses? |
| 22:21.59 | nweaver916 | pickcoder: what would the command be? ifconfig eth1 ??? 00:00:00:00:00 |
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| 22:23.12 | nweaver916 | pickcoder: looks like the do...at least when I look in /etc/udev/rules/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 22:23.25 | pickcoder | ifconfig eth1 hw xx:xx:... |
| 22:23.39 | nweaver916 | but lspci shows as different |
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| 22:26.37 | pickcoder | I know there's a way to specify PCI address instead of MAC but I just can't find it |
| 22:26.43 | pickcoder | for the udev rule |
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| 22:28.32 | broklyn | Does anyone have a idea, why the available entropy is under >200 after a upgrade to etch? |
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| 22:29.20 | nweaver916 | hmm...that ifconfig doesn't work...the example shoew ifconfig <interface> hw <HW> <address> |
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| 22:29.35 | nweaver916 | do you think that <hw> is the pci address? or just eth1 again? |
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| 22:29.45 | broklyn | Sarge: avg. 3000 Etch: avg. 170 =/ |
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| 22:30.57 | avar | Where does apt store what packages are pending removal? I have a broken fs so I can't remove one of the binaries that are required for uninstalling a package, which blocks all new package installs. Of course I could get a box with an unbroken fs but this one churns along aside from that issue:) |
| 22:31.12 | avar | The following packages will be REMOVED: w3m ;; $ sudo rm -rfv /usr/bin/w3m => rm: cannot lstat `/usr/bin/w3m': Permission denied |
| 22:32.27 | pickcoder | nweaver916: sorry.. it's ifconfig eth1 hw ether xx:xx:xx... |
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| 22:33.09 | nweaver916 | pickcoder: SIOSCIFHWADDR: No such device |
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| 22:33.39 | pickcoder | gah |
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| 22:33.47 | pickcoder | get the PCI addresses |
| 22:33.51 | smtlaissezfaire | Where is the mail binary? I can't seem to find it, nor is it in the package system |
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| 22:34.11 | stew | smtlaissezfaire: in the mailx package (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 22:34.18 | pickcoder | you'll have to write udev rules to set the eth<x> names manually based on a unique configuration of keys and data provided by udevinfo |
| 22:34.22 | smtlaissezfaire | thanks stew |
| 22:34.30 | pickcoder | once you get the PCI addresses |
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| 22:34.56 | pickcoder | look in /sys/bus/pci/devices for those device addresses |
| 22:35.11 | Rprp | hi, i just did apt-get dist-upgrade, with this as result: http://rafb.net/p/1vfUL649.html can i do a save reboot? (Sorry for my bad english btw) |
| 22:35.13 | pickcoder | then run udevinfo -a -p <pci address file> |
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| 22:35.25 | pickcoder | that will dump a list of system variables and values |
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| 22:35.44 | pickcoder | you can pick a combination of them to create a unique udev rule for each nic |
| 22:35.57 | pickcoder | I.E. |
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| 22:36.21 | smtlaissezfaire | sorry about that |
| 22:36.28 | pickcoder | KERNEL=="<pci address>" |
| 22:36.43 | pickcoder | based on the udevinfo content |
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| 22:37.14 | pickcoder | replace the SYSFS{address}="<mac>" with that KERNEL statement |
| 22:37.21 | pickcoder | for all of your nics |
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| 22:37.40 | pickcoder | of course.. you will need to specify the addresses relative to the eth<x> naming convention you want |
| 22:38.24 | nweaver916 | bleh |
| 22:38.29 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 22:38.31 | pickcoder | it sucks |
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| 22:38.35 | pickcoder | :/ |
| 22:38.48 | pickcoder | udev the auto-magic configurator |
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| 22:39.10 | nweaver916 | might not be worth using these old servers, maybe I'll just grab something else. I need low end machines to run as firewalls, and thought these 1U suns that have been sitting forever were perfect (with 2 ints) |
| 22:39.25 | nweaver916 | but maybe I'll just throw a PCI NIC in too....hmmm |
| 22:39.27 | pickcoder | but hey.. the good news your PCI cards will never change eth naming unless you physically move them |
| 22:39.37 | pickcoder | regardless of MAC |
| 22:40.08 | pickcoder | gotta run.. bbl |
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| 22:43.15 | Rprp | hi, i just did apt-get dist-upgrade, with this as result: http://rafb.net/p/1vfUL649.html can i do a save reboot? (Sorry for my bad english btw) |
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| 22:44.10 | MatBoy | gey, after an upgrade of lenny, my softraid_1 swap partitions becomes readonly every time :S |
| 22:44.19 | stuNNed | welp, crapola, least i ain't banned from here. guess my anus doesn't smell good enough for #ubuntu and #ubuntu-devel |
| 22:44.21 | MatBoy | active, but auto-read-only |
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| 22:45.00 | ix | is it possible to firewall on process name and/or path? |
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| 22:45.56 | nweaver916 | ix, like...firewall to prevent network acess? |
| 22:46.39 | ix | yes. I am having a hard time formulating it easily. |
| 22:46.51 | ix | to restrict access to network access based on process names. |
| 22:47.01 | Ronin | gee stuNNed cant see why you get banned :) |
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| 22:47.38 | stuNNed | Ronin: i perfume the hell out of it, i don't know what the problem is...smells like a rose :) |
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| 22:48.19 | nweaver916 | ix: I don't understand why you would care to.....I don't think we have the same issues that Windows has with "dialing home" apps. I have never even thought of trying to do this... |
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| 22:48.43 | MatBoy | ah some channels just do this... strange ops.... CentOS have them as well |
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| 22:49.35 | stuNNed | Ronin: i'm sorry. i'm ugly. it goes with 20th centurly Earthly nature :) |
| 22:49.36 | Ronin | personally id like to see our @'s wear the bofh a bit more |
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| 22:50.00 | ix | nweaver916: one of the servers I am administering is infected with some botnet software |
| 22:50.05 | smtlaissezfaire | How can I find in what package a given binary is in? |
| 22:50.27 | smtlaissezfaire | I'm looking for the dig command for domain lookup... |
| 22:50.29 | nweaver916 | can't you just use iptables (for now) to shut those ports/ips down? |
| 22:50.29 | ix | I want to have as much information via strace from the initial connection as possible |
| 22:50.34 | MatBoy | I can;t find anything on google why the swap raid1 becomes auto-read-only.... google doesn;t know auto-read-only + debian :S |
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| 22:50.53 | ix | well, I have no idea how this application works, but I could try to figure it out. |
| 22:51.04 | nweaver916 | smtlaissezfaire: think it's dnstools or something, I would apt-cache search dns | grep tools maybe? |
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| 22:51.21 | nweaver916 | ix: or just kill the app? kill -9 is your friend |
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| 22:51.49 | nweaver916 | then maybe boot into single user mode and rename/axe/ chmod -x the binary? |
| 22:51.54 | ix | nweaver916: how will I be sure that it will restart? |
| 22:51.58 | ix | hmm. perhaps. |
| 22:52.00 | Ronin | ix: take the server off line and clean it |
| 22:52.24 | ix | Ronin: it runs some network-dependent software (NIS client, etc.) |
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| 22:52.29 | nweaver916 | or better, nuke it from orbit and restore from backups...you do have backups, right? :D |
| 22:52.38 | ix | but of course. |
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| 22:52.45 | Taime1 | what would casue me to be missing my 'Master' channel in the sound system? |
| 22:52.54 | Taime1 | i have NO sound at all |
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| 22:53.49 | Ronin | ix: so? its infected and likely trying infect others right? |
| 22:54.12 | ix | yup. |
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| 22:54.36 | ix | Ronin: the point is that I am unsure as to wether we are able to boot it |
| 22:54.43 | ix | when it's disconnected from the network. |
| 22:55.01 | ix | and I just want to figure out what the bloody thing *does*. |
| 22:55.02 | ix | :) |
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| 22:55.49 | felipernb | hi, im trying to remove apache2 from my box, and then reinstall it clean... but i remove with apt but the config files remain there |
| 22:56.15 | dureyes | anyone here using evolution mail client? I have images enabled but it loads them very slow...any reason why? |
| 22:56.18 | Ronin | felipernb: you didnt purge |
| 22:56.28 | Ronin | so to speak |
| 22:56.30 | Rprp | hi, i just did apt-get dist-upgrade, with this as result: http://rafb.net/p/1vfUL649.html can i do a save reboot? (Sorry for my bad english btw) |
| 22:56.42 | Kyusswren | Guys. I'm screwed. |
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| 22:56.53 | Ronin | lucky you Kyusswren |
| 22:56.57 | felipernb | Ronin apt-get purge apache2? |
| 22:56.58 | Taime1 | why would my master channel be missing in my sound system? |
| 22:57.25 | Ronin | !tell felipernb about purge |
| 22:57.26 | Kyusswren | I'm taking a survey course for linux, and one of the things on the final isn't in the book or covered in any of the source material for the course. |
| 22:57.54 | stew | felipernb: the config files are ownen by apache2-common or apache2.2-common, not by apache2 |
| 22:58.04 | Kyusswren | Its linux shell scripting, I have to write a 30 line program to demonstrate familiarity with it. And I am stumped. |
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| 22:58.53 | stew | Kyusswren: /msg dpkg bashfaq ; and google for bash advanced scripting |
| 22:59.10 | stew | Kyusswren: or ask a more specific question |
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| 23:00.11 | Kyusswren | Well. First off I don't know how to run the script. Second off anything useful I could think of to write would either be less than 10 or over 200 lines. Thats the kicker. Has to be exactly 30 lines. |
| 23:00.31 | felipernb | i know you're gonna hate me, but i prefer emerge than apt :) |
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| 23:01.00 | stew | Kyusswren: run the script with "sh /path/to/script" or 'sh -x /path/to/script' will show you which lines it is executing as it executes them. alternatively, make the file chmod +x and '/path/to/script' |
| 23:01.03 | Zemus | I'm trying to compile the popular instant messaging client 'pidgin' from source on debian 4.0. When I type "./configure" in the program directory, it scrolls through a few lines of code, then gives this error: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH //See `config.log' for more details. Does anyone know why this could be happening? |
| 23:01.32 | stew | felipernb: if there is something that you think is laking in apt, ask specifically, maybe you just aren't familiar enough |
| 23:01.34 | techbe1 | kyusswren:you can find good tutorials on www.tldp.org |
| 23:02.09 | Rprp | hi, i just did apt-get dist-upgrade, with this as result: http://rafb.net/p/1vfUL649.html can i do a save reboot? (Sorry for my bad english btw) |
| 23:02.17 | Kyusswren | Alright, thanks guys and gals |
| 23:02.28 | nweaver916 | you like emerge because you either a: like to watch scrolling text all day or b: like to sleep instead of watching scrolling text all day (I was a long time Gentoo users) |
| 23:03.13 | felipernb | stew can i for exemple specify the version i'd like to install? 'cause in emerge if i want that i put emerge =package-version |
| 23:03.18 | felipernb | with the = before |
| 23:03.48 | stew | felipernb: aptitude install package=version ; or apt-get install package=version |
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| 23:03.56 | Luxurious | Hi guys. |
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| 23:04.30 | felipernb | stew thanks |
| 23:04.56 | Luxurious | Is there a good way to write an image of the current setup that can be installed? (as a sort of restore point, and for setting up many computers with the same settings) |
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| 23:06.50 | techbe1 | Rprp:yes , you can reboot your machine |
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| 23:06.59 | Rprp | techbe1: Yeah, but would it start? :P (its a server, and if its not starting i got a problem :/) |
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| 23:07.45 | stew | Luxurious: /msg dpkg selections |
| 23:07.47 | stoned | hi |
| 23:07.58 | stew | Luxurious: but that is only package lists, perhaps you want to look at fai |
| 23:08.09 | stoned | stew: i can't find the ITP link |
| 23:08.15 | stoned | could you help me out |
| 23:08.17 | stew | !itp |
| 23:08.17 | dpkg | well, itp is Intent To Package |
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| 23:08.26 | stew | hrm |
| 23:08.38 | stew | stoned: you mean "how to file an itp"? |
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| 23:08.39 | stoned | im kinda runnin around the websites not really finding it |
| 23:08.43 | stoned | stew: yessir |
| 23:08.48 | techbe1 | Rprp:you do you have doubt |
| 23:08.54 | Luxurious | stew: Fai looks exactly like what I need. Thanks a bunch :-) |
| 23:09.05 | stew | stoned: just "reportbug wnpp" |
| 23:09.16 | stoned | ok |
| 23:09.27 | techbe1 | Rprp: i mean , why do u have doubts |
| 23:09.57 | Zemus | I'm trying to compile the popular instant messaging client 'pidgin' from source on debian 4.0. When I type "./configure" in the program directory, it scrolls through a few lines of code, then gives this error: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH //See `config.log' for more details. Does anyone know why this could be happening? |
| 23:10.09 | Rprp | hmm, there are no kernels in menu.lst, when i do update-grub i get this: http://rafb.net/p/dOA75A33.html |
| 23:10.18 | jduggan_ | Zemus: apt-get install gcc |
| 23:10.18 | avar | apt-get install gcc? |
| 23:10.22 | avar | build-essentials |
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| 23:10.27 | avar | sudo apt-get build-dep gaim |
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| 23:10.49 | Zemus | jduggan_, I appreciate the help. How did you know that would fix it? |
| 23:11.14 | stoned | stew: I am reading the manpage for reportbug atm and I can't find a `w` switch, and also np switches don't seem relevant. what exactly is wnpp? |
| 23:11.30 | stew | !wnpp |
| 23:11.30 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp. |
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| 23:11.40 | stew | stoned: wnpp is a pseudo packagename |
| 23:11.42 | Rprp | hmm, there are no kernels in menu.lst, when i do update-grub i get this: http://rafb.net/p/dOA75A33.html |
| 23:11.43 | stoned | oh |
| 23:11.47 | jduggan_ | Zemus: i think the error message gave it away :P |
| 23:11.48 | stoned | haha, silly me |
| 23:11.50 | stoned | stew: thank you |
| 23:11.53 | stew | stoned: you hsould be just running "reportbug wnpp" to report a bug against the wnpp package |
| 23:12.01 | techbe1 | how to check whether processor supports virtualization or not |
| 23:12.04 | chapium | What could be the cause of this message i'm getting 30 times at boot: "Jun 7 18:04:37 localhost kernel: hda_codec: num_steps = 0 for NID=0x9" |
| 23:12.08 | stoned | i didn't know wnpp was a pacakge, I thought those were switches |
| 23:12.16 | Zemus | jduggan_, I'm a bit new to linux, what is gcc, and how did you know that would resolve the dependancy issue? |
| 23:12.38 | chapium | Zemus: gcc is the gun c compiler |
| 23:12.41 | streuner_ | Zemus: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:12.41 | peterS | hmmm, /usr/lib/xscreensaver/apple2 should almost install an alternative for x-terminal-emulator (: |
| 23:12.44 | chapium | gnu* |
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| 23:12.48 | stoned | peterS: hi |
| 23:12.48 | jduggan_ | Zemus: it told you it couldnt find a C compiler, gcc is a C compiler |
| 23:12.51 | DexterF | hi |
| 23:12.54 | peterS | nyle. |
| 23:12.55 | jduggan_ | chapium: wow, ur jduggan_ to? |
| 23:12.56 | jduggan_ | :P |
| 23:13.09 | chapium | :p |
| 23:13.18 | stew | peterS: what is apple2? |
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| 23:13.37 | lan1g1r0 | hello |
| 23:13.39 | Zemus | jduggan_, I thought as much. Thanks! :) |
| 23:13.40 | peterS | stew: a screen saver. install xscreensaver and run /usr/lib/xscreensaver/apple2 -pty -program bash |
| 23:13.41 | DexterF | I just installed virtualbox, now I wnated to list the files contained in the package. dpkg -c virtualbox however says there's no such package. (it's there and works.) what am I doing wrong? |
| 23:13.57 | stew | xscreensaver scares me :) |
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| 23:14.04 | sysdef | apple2 is a prehistoric computer from the 80s |
| 23:14.07 | lan1g1r0 | what is the command to install a driver? |
| 23:14.28 | streuner_ | drivers come mostly with the kernel itself |
| 23:14.33 | sysdef | also known as ][ |
| 23:14.41 | jduggan_ | lan1g1r0: to load it modprobe |
| 23:14.46 | stoned | DexterF: use the -L switch |
| 23:14.48 | streuner_ | lan1g1r0: tell us why do need another driver |
| 23:14.48 | lan1g1r0 | but this is a wlan card driver i downloaded it, i need to install it now |
| 23:14.49 | jduggan_ | if its directly in ur path, insmod |
| 23:14.55 | lan1g1r0 | thanks a lot |
| 23:15.24 | stoned | DexterF: dpkg -L virtualbox |
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| 23:15.34 | DexterF | stoned: ah. so what's -c or --content for then? |
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| 23:15.39 | buchkurish | someone help me out! |
| 23:15.40 | buchkurish | dist_init_scripts=/etc/rc.d/init.d ## # mdk81 |
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| 23:15.57 | buchkurish | taht shold be reading /etc/init.d for debian 4.0 nopt /etc/rc.d/init.d right?? |
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| 23:16.47 | stew | X error in apple2: X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) |
| 23:16.51 | stew | though that is probably my fault |
| 23:16.56 | stoned | DexterF: read the manpage |
| 23:17.03 | buchkurish | anyone |
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| 23:17.14 | techbe1 | !anyone |
| 23:17.14 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:17.55 | stew | buchkurish: yes, and /etc/init.d should work on most systems that also have /etc/rc.d/init.d iirc |
| 23:17.56 | buchkurish | haha |
| 23:17.57 | stoned | DexterF: one lists the contents of a package, and one lists the files installed on the system by that package. |
| 23:18.10 | stoned | DexterF: I actually don't know myself the disctinction, maybe someone else can clear it up |
| 23:18.20 | buchkurish | stew: i tried to browse /etc/rc.d/init.d it is not present |
| 23:18.38 | buchkurish | what is dist_runlevel |
| 23:18.41 | peterS | buchkurish: the correct path is /etc/init.d/ |
| 23:18.57 | stoned | I'm now curious |
| 23:18.59 | buchkurish | dist_runlevel=/etc/rc.d ## im assumign that is incorecnt now? |
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| 23:19.01 | peterS | buchkurish: /etc/rc.d/ is a RedHat-ism, they've since switched to debian's location |
| 23:19.11 | stoned | what is the difference between dpkg -c and dpkg -L ? contents vs. files installed? |
| 23:19.17 | lan1g1r0 | streuner_: I need another driver because debian does not see my wireless card |
| 23:19.25 | peterS | buchkurish: that is, everything from /etc/rc.d/ was moved directly into /etc, so you have /etc/init.d and /etc/rc2.d and so on |
| 23:19.30 | DexterF | stoned: yeah, maybe. the manpage sure doesn't. "lists the content of a debian package". was the first I came across and thought was good. |
| 23:19.34 | stoned | what are the contents? |
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| 23:19.41 | stoned | I'm a little confused myself DexterF |
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| 23:20.23 | stoned | maybe dpkg -c is used on a source package? |
| 23:20.29 | stoned | I dunno I have no idea |
| 23:20.31 | DexterF | well, you're stoned ;) |
| 23:20.34 | buchkurish | peterS: its just that this file is asking me to check paths ' |
| 23:20.37 | stew | no, dpkg -c is run on a .deb |
| 23:20.39 | dotCOMmie | Hello I'm looking for the appropriate channel I'm having problems with rpc.mountd on debian |
| 23:20.43 | buchkurish | file.. man iim all screwed up |
| 23:20.48 | stoned | stew: so whats the difference between that and -L |
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| 23:20.50 | peterS | dotCOMmie: this is the place |
| 23:20.52 | lan1g1r0 | Another question guys, once I load a driver, what else do I need to do to have Debian see my card? |
| 23:20.57 | DexterF | stew: ah. ok, thanks for th einfo. |
| 23:20.58 | buchkurish | what would be the location of |
| 23:20.59 | stew | stoned: -L is on an installed package, not a .deb file |
| 23:21.04 | buchkurish | dist_runlevel |
| 23:21.05 | stoned | stew: ahh |
| 23:21.15 | chapium | noone knows :( http://paste.debian.net/29930 |
| 23:21.23 | stoned | DexterF: there you have it, -c lists the contents of an unpacked .deb, while -L lists the contents of an installed package |
| 23:21.25 | DexterF | lan1g1r0: usually nothing. what card in particular? |
| 23:21.32 | DexterF | yup |
| 23:21.48 | stoned | stew: the manpage isn't quite clear on it imo |
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| 23:21.58 | lan1g1r0 | iwp2200 |
| 23:22.20 | chapium | line 5 and line 8 are screwy |
| 23:22.27 | dotCOMmie | I have a NFS server with up to 200 machine which can mount it. Recently I increased number of NFS threads to 128 but now (few days later) I'm having problems. rpc.mountd is chewing up all CPU |
| 23:22.32 | DexterF | I noticed this happens a lot with dpkg and apt*, one options refers to debs, the other to online repositories, next to installad packages... guess I have to get used to that or make a list... |
| 23:22.46 | DexterF | lan1g1r0: that's a wifi module, huh? |
| 23:23.05 | dotCOMmie | I can pastebin some of the related info |
| 23:23.25 | buchkurish | something is fishy here, i can not locate any of these , http://pastebin.ca/549032 |
| 23:23.39 | lan1g1r0 | yup |
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| 23:24.40 | dotCOMmie | http://pastebin.ca/549034 .. my NFS problems |
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| 23:25.05 | dotCOMmie | anyone have any ideas how I'd go about tracing down the problem? |
| 23:25.07 | stew | buchkurish: what exactly are you trying to figure out, there is a lot of stuff in htere |
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| 23:25.18 | buchkurish | stew: im installing ISPconfig |
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| 23:25.42 | stew | buchkurish: ok |
| 23:25.48 | buchkurish | In this directory please check the file dist.txt and see if the values given there suit to your... ... |
| 23:26.02 | buchkurish | in the file dist.txt are all of those values.. but just for the heck of it i went inside to see |
| 23:26.13 | stew | buchkurish: yes, most of those are incorrect |
| 23:26.16 | buchkurish | and then i try to find any of those dirs |
| 23:26.20 | buchkurish | yeah |
| 23:26.25 | buchkurish | there is tons more of it too! |
| 23:26.26 | stew | most of those aren't dirs |
| 23:26.29 | buchkurish | so i dont understand |
| 23:26.37 | lan1g1r0 | dear god, i wish there was tab completion for commands in debian console... |
| 23:26.40 | stew | buchkurish: which in particular are you having trouble figuring out? |
| 23:26.52 | lan1g1r0 | i know it starts with an i, but don't remember what it is called |
| 23:26.52 | stew | lan1g1r0: type "source /etc/bash_completion" |
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| 23:27.05 | buchkurish | well like u said |
| 23:27.09 | buchkurish | most of these arnt right |
| 23:27.12 | buchkurish | i dunno what to do |
| 23:27.15 | buchkurish | im supposed to do ./setup now |
| 23:27.18 | buchkurish | but.. |
| 23:27.43 | stew | lan1g1r0: and edit your .bashrc and uncomment the lines that mention bash_completion |
| 23:27.53 | stew | buchkurish: which are you having trouble finding? |
| 23:27.58 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 23:27.59 | buchkurish | all |
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| 23:28.02 | buchkurish | the ones u saw hehe |
| 23:28.16 | buchkurish | stew not having trouble |
| 23:28.23 | stew | buchkurish: so for instance, you don't know where /etc/rc.d/init.d should be? |
| 23:28.24 | buchkurish | .. its just that since those are mostly not correct |
| 23:28.28 | buchkurish | dunno what to do.. go on or fix |
| 23:28.39 | buchkurish | well i nkow that one it should be /etc/init.d/ |
| 23:28.49 | stew | buchkurish: ok, so which don't you know |
| 23:29.05 | lan1g1r0 | that's not the biggest issue right now, i need to have this laptop use its wireless |
| 23:29.15 | stew | lan1g1r0: which wireless chipset? |
| 23:30.10 | lan1g1r0 | ipw2200 |
| 23:30.22 | lan1g1r0 | v5 |
| 23:30.28 | stew | lan1g1r0: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:30.39 | lan1g1r0 | i dl'ed the "firmware" and installed it to /lib/firmware/ |
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| 23:31.27 | lan1g1r0 | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 23:32.01 | stew | lan1g1r0: modprobe ipw2200? |
| 23:32.14 | lan1g1r0 | i did that |
| 23:32.17 | stew | lan1g1r0: you unzipped the firmware, and its directly in /lib/firmware, not in a sub-directory, right? |
| 23:32.18 | lan1g1r0 | it gives an error |
| 23:32.22 | stew | lan1g1r0: what error? |
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| 23:34.14 | karsten | Is there a way to specify options (eg: tw=0) at vim startup, via CLI? |
| 23:34.38 | techbe1 | karsten:man vim |
| 23:34.49 | buchkurish | stew: sorry.. was afk for amin.. well i prolly wont know anymore |
| 23:34.53 | buchkurish | stew: after those |
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| 23:35.19 | karsten | techbe1: I'm doing that, it's not clear. |
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| 23:35.26 | stew | buchkurish: tell me one that you tried to find, and failed |
| 23:35.30 | waspius | what application records video from a web cam and takes photos? |
| 23:35.30 | buchkurish | mm oki |
| 23:35.50 | buchkurish | stew: /etc/rc.d is /etc/ |
| 23:35.51 | buchkurish | ? |
| 23:35.55 | lan1g1r0 | http://paste.uni.cc/16163 |
| 23:36.10 | slacker403 | how can i find out which group bind is running in ? |
| 23:36.12 | stew | buchkurish: probably, yes |
| 23:36.14 | karsten | OK: vim -c 'commands'. Eg: vim -c 'set tw=0' |
| 23:36.17 | karsten | Works. |
| 23:36.28 | techbe1 | karten::) |
| 23:36.35 | buchkurish | stew: /etc/smrsh - failed to be located |
| 23:36.52 | buchkurish | stew: -bash: cd: /etc/smrsh: No such file or directory |
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| 23:37.19 | techbe1 | karsten: you can define the start file of vim too |
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| 23:38.18 | slacker403 | how can i see whatr group a user is in ??? |
| 23:38.28 | stew | !find smrsh stable |
| 23:38.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'smrsh' (5): (/usr/lib/sm.bin/smrsh) in mail/sendmail-bin ;; (/usr/share/sendmail/update_smrsh) in mail/sendmail-base ;; (/usr/share/sendmail/cf/feature/smrsh.m4) in mail/sendmail-cf ;; (/usr/share/doc/minimalist/FAQ/sendmail.smrsh) in mail/minimalist ;; (/usr/share/doc/sendmail-doc/smrsh.README.gz) in doc/sendmail-doc. |
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| 23:38.47 | Hark0n3N | hi everyone |
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| 23:39.03 | techbe1 | slacker403: id |
| 23:39.04 | Hark0n3N | somebody know something about yast4debian project? |
| 23:39.06 | stew | buchkurish: debian doesn't seem to provide such a file, but i seems to have something to do with sendmail. do you have sendmail installed? |
| 23:39.42 | slacker403 | techbe1: will the id have a name ? |
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| 23:40.24 | techbe1 | slacker403:man id |
| 23:40.39 | Hark0n3N | somebody know something about yast4debian project? |
| 23:40.46 | Hark0n3N | :( |
| 23:41.00 | karsten | techbe1: ?? |
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| 23:42.17 | stew | id can tell you the group of a running process? |
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| 23:42.17 | karsten | techbe1: What I'm doing is defining a vim invocation from w3m. I want no textrwap for doing edit dialogs on web forms/pages. |
| 23:42.17 | karsten | techbe1: ... which I've now done. |
| 23:42.18 | stew | slacker403: you should be able to find the "effective gid" by using ps and passing it a format string |
| 23:42.20 | buchkurish | stew: mm sendmail |
| 23:42.29 | stew | eh? |
| 23:42.31 | buchkurish | stew: i have fetchmail. how can i check if ive installed sendmail, |
| 23:42.47 | stew | buchkurish: apt-cache policy sendmail | grep Installed |
| 23:42.56 | buchkurish | ahh oki dok |
| 23:43.13 | slacker403 | maaaaaan |
| 23:43.15 | buchkurish | stew: none installed |
| 23:43.17 | slacker403 | i cant figure this out |
| 23:43.23 | slacker403 | 1 hour on this simple thing so far |
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| 23:43.29 | sxjizaios | I have a file from a corrupted DVD. The last two hundred megabytes of this file didn't copy over properly because the media is broken. I have the exact same file on one of my servers ... I only want to download the missing parts, not the whole thing again. Is there a program I can use to resume this? I've tried proz and axel but I can't get either to detect my existing file and not start from zero. Any tips? |
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| 23:43.36 | stew | slacker403: you know the pid of the process? |
| 23:43.37 | karsten | techbe1: I could specify the filetype and create some associations w/ it as well. |
| 23:43.42 | slacker403 | steve: yes |
| 23:43.43 | MatBoy | does debian make backups of the menu settings for xfce when upgrading xfce ? |
| 23:43.51 | buchkurish | stew: /etc/shells failed aswell |
| 23:43.54 | karsten | sxjizaios: wget will continue a partial download. |
| 23:43.55 | buchkurish | stew: important? |
| 23:44.02 | slacker403 | steve: i am trying to see what group bind's user belongs too |
| 23:44.14 | karsten | sxjizaios: rsync should just bring down the correct/changed blocks of the file as well. |
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| 23:44.31 | karsten | MatBoy: Not AFAIK. |
| 23:44.36 | buchkurish | stew: aslo /etc/named.conf is nowhere to be found.. what is that conf anyway any idea? |
| 23:44.47 | slacker403 | steve: my user www-data cant read bind stuff but it needs to be able too |
| 23:44.54 | stew | buchkurish: do you have bind9 installed? |
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| 23:45.04 | stew | buchkurish: i don't know what you mean by "important?" |
| 23:45.19 | MatBoy | karsten, ok, it can be me, but my /home was full... but I heard in the xfce channel that XCE does lose his settings lastest time... dunno if it's known... but I lost some configured buttons |
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| 23:45.30 | slacker403 | steve: any tips ? |
| 23:45.38 | wfq | what is the difference between using digest and basic method for doing access some directories by password? |
| 23:46.03 | karsten | MatBoy: As I said. I'm not an expert however. |
| 23:46.04 | stew | slacker403: add www-data to the bind group |
| 23:46.05 | wfq | apache2 says is experimental but it does speak too much about wha it consists in |
| 23:46.23 | wfq | sorry, that is the wrong channel |
| 23:46.25 | nvz | ugh damn power failure |
| 23:46.28 | wfq | lo lol |
| 23:46.29 | MatBoy | karsten, not a problem, brainstorming is always good :) |
| 23:46.30 | karsten | slacker403: They're the pointy ends. |
| 23:46.58 | mmlj4 | if I install kdm, will it nuke gdm and switch over painlessly? anyone? |
| 23:47.13 | nvz | hmm sounds like 30-301 just left the station and I never heard the whistle go off |
| 23:47.14 | slacker403 | stew: lol but how i did usermod -G bind www-data |
| 23:47.20 | slacker403 | stew: but it didnt work |
| 23:53.14 | stew | slacker403: "adduser www-data bind" |
| 23:53.14 | stew | slacker403: i'd make absolutely certain that none of your zone files / conf files are editable by the bind group |
| 23:53.14 | buchkurish | stew: bind9 is installed |
| 23:53.15 | slacker403 | stew: i already have the user though |
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| 23:53.16 | nvz | slacker403: adduser user group, is syntax to add a user to a group |
| 23:53.16 | slacker403 | steve: will it add it to the group or remake it ? |
| 23:53.16 | slacker403 | ah |
| 23:53.16 | nvz | usermod cant do that, all it can do is set the default group |
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| 23:53.16 | KnowledgEngineer | hello |
| 23:53.17 | stew | buchkurish: "dpkg -L bind9" lists the files in the bind9 package, it should help you find the files you are looking for |
| 23:53.17 | slacker403 | wtf |
| 23:53.17 | slacker403 | it says |
| 23:53.17 | slacker403 | still permission denied |
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| 23:53.17 | phet | hi |
| 23:53.17 | slacker403 | make sure www-data is adding to named group |
| 23:53.17 | slacker403 | and its in the group |
| 23:53.17 | stew | slacker403: restart the service |
| 23:53.17 | slacker403 | but it still says mission denied |
| 23:53.17 | stew | slacker403: it won't get the new group privileges until it restarts |
| 23:53.17 | phet | what line should I add to source.list to be able to install epdfview and mirage? |
| 23:53.18 | nvz | slacker403: the membership wont take effect until you restart the service |
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| 23:53.18 | KnowledgEngineer | Someone know if exist the driver for the webcam "Hercules Dualpix HD" ? |
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| 23:53.18 | Azar | mission impossible |
| 23:53.18 | slacker403 | new eeeror :P |
| 23:53.19 | slacker403 | output was: rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused |
| 23:53.19 | stew | slacker403: /usr/share/doc/bind9 you need to setup the keys |
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| 23:53.19 | nvz | !info epdfview |
| 23:53.19 | nvz | phet: what version of debian are you using? |
| 23:53.30 | phet | etch |
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| 23:53.32 | slacker403 | steve: setup the keys ? |
| 23:53.37 | phet | !info epdfview |
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| 23:53.53 | phet | !info mirage |
| 23:53.57 | dpkg | mirage: (A fast and simple GTK+ Image Viewer), section graphics, is extra. Version: 0.8.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 77 kB, Installed size: 488 kB |
| 23:54.14 | nvz | phet: ok well epdfview doesnt seem to exist in debian and mirage isnt in etch |
| 23:54.15 | slacker403 | steve: what do i gotta do to make the keys anddamn setting up bind9 is a bitch |
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| 23:54.38 | phet | oh :( |
| 23:54.47 | phet | is there any light image viewer? |
| 23:54.53 | phet | for debian etch |
| 23:55.18 | buchkurish | stew: how did u know that bind9 uses named.conf?? ?? GRRR |
| 23:55.21 | buchkurish | so smart |
| 23:55.22 | nvz | phet: and mirage depends on a version of libc6 that would break your etch system if you installed it from sid.. so you would want to do a backport ot see if there is one already on backports.org or apt-get.org |
| 23:55.25 | buchkurish | or something |
| 23:55.52 | phet | i'd preffer another picture viewer |
| 23:55.52 | nvz | phet: I use gqview its my favorite.. all depends on what features you are looking for |
| 23:56.00 | phet | the more light |
| 23:56.03 | phet | and not gnome |
| 23:56.14 | phet | i use xfce and have kde libs installed |
| 23:56.34 | nvz | phet: nothing is gnome, and mirage is GTK which is probably what you mean by gnome |
| 23:56.40 | nvz | !depends gqview |
| 23:56.42 | dpkg | gqview: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.1) |
| 23:56.53 | phet | nice |
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| 23:56.56 | phet | installed |
| 23:57.18 | buchkurish | aahh stewww |
| 23:57.20 | buchkurish | heh |
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| 23:57.37 | nvz | phet: as for a pdf viewer you could try xpdf or whatever apt-cache search pdf viewer |
| 23:57.39 | stew | buchkurish: honestly, if you didn't know bind9 uses named.conf, you should maybe not be running a nameserver |
| 23:57.52 | phet | yup, installed xpdf |
| 23:57.58 | buchkurish | stew: i dont know anything, meaning i shouldnt running anty8ing, but will never learn then ? right? |
| 23:58.12 | buchkurish | stew: yeah i had no clue that named.conf would use bind9 |
| 23:58.16 | buchkurish | big noob here |
| 23:58.35 | phet | thanks, goodbye |
| 23:58.50 | nvz | buchkurish: heh. you got that backwards but whatever |
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| 23:59.54 | buchkurish | hah oki =) |
