| 00:00.04 | buchkurish | =)) |
| 00:00.21 | buchkurish | what is dist_shells=/etc/shells |
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| 00:00.36 | nvz | I need LVM but I'm afraid to do it cause I am not too experienced with it and last time I used lvm I got in a situation I needed to split the drives which both had data on them and it got complicated |
| 00:00.59 | stew | buchkurish: man 5 shells |
| 00:01.00 | nvz | would LVM improve performance at all or hurt it? |
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| 00:01.42 | stew | nvz: the only tests showed it not having an impact |
| 00:01.43 | nvz | I got onboard IDE the 120GB hda I am using now and the 160GB hdc is empty |
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| 00:02.16 | nvz | hda is 99% used. was 100% yesturday |
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| 00:02.47 | slacker403 | anyone ever created these keys beroe with bind rndc or w/e ??? |
| 00:02.48 | buchkurish | ah why 'man 5 shells' |
| 00:03.36 | stew | buchkurish: you seemed to be asking what /etc/shells is. "man 5 shells" is a command which would describe that file |
| 00:03.46 | stew | slacker403: yes |
| 00:04.03 | buchkurish | couldnt you just do man shells? |
| 00:04.15 | stew | buchkurish: probably |
| 00:04.25 | nvz | logical thing to do seems to be to LVM the hdc and move all of /home onto it but then that leaves me with a ton of freespace on hda that will be virtually wasted unless I LVM it too which I foolishly only have two partitions / and swap.. I always seperated /home but apparently didn't think wisely when I setup this drive |
| 00:05.38 | nvz | my home dir is 45GB so that space would kinda be wasted if I just move it to hdc and remount that to /home.. and LVM on hdc is pointless really if its just all one partition and I have no other LVM volumes :P |
| 00:06.15 | nvz | I really gotta learn to use all the lvm tools and how to grow/shrink fs's and all that so I can change things on the fly like its designed to |
| 00:06.31 | Zemus | What's the command to format the harddrive again? In debian? Isn't there a way to do it from the os? |
| 00:06.37 | Zemus | something like... rm rf something something? |
| 00:06.51 | RichiH | Zemus: mkfs.FOO /dev/bar |
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| 00:07.07 | nvz | I come to find out last time I wanted to redistribute space that shrinking ext3 wasn't an easy thing to do |
| 00:07.28 | Zemus | RichiH, thanks (I think) |
| 00:07.33 | RichiH | nvz: shrinking is generally harder than growing |
| 00:07.34 | techbe1 | nvz: why u use whole space of hdc to create lv |
| 00:07.41 | nvz | LVM isnt just a set it and forget it thing.. requires some real planning |
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| 00:07.55 | Zemus | RichiH, does that do it all by itself, or does it begin a process? I need a single command to do it. |
| 00:08.05 | nvz | since I'm in a clusterfuck now I kinda wanna do whats best for the future |
| 00:08.06 | RichiH | Zemus: do you want to create a new file system or do you want to delete the old data real good? |
| 00:08.18 | Zemus | RichiH, deletion, please. And thank you. :) |
| 00:08.37 | nvz | I've even heard of people using Ext filesystems reaching inode limits and shit without actually using all the space |
| 00:08.40 | RichiH | Zemus: single command, depending on what you want to do, you need to confirm, though |
| 00:08.51 | Zemus | That's fine. |
| 00:10.01 | karsten | nvz: Pretty easy to do, yeah. |
| 00:10.05 | RichiH | Zemus: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/foo; dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/foo ; dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/foo if you have too much time and want to be certain that it will cost at least a four-figure amount to get back your data |
| 00:10.33 | RichiH | it sucks that there is no /dev/one |
| 00:10.38 | Zemus | :| |
| 00:10.49 | karsten | nvz: df -i, dumpe2fs are yuor friends. |
| 00:11.01 | nvz | I mostly store multimedia files. music, images, videos tons of files like 5mb or less rarely do I have files much bigger than that I've been getting rid of most my video since a lot of the shit is available to watch online now with all these video sites |
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| 00:11.40 | karsten | Zemus: dd w/ /dev/zero is a good bet, RichiH's suggestion's more complete, tools like 'wipe' or 'shred' are even more effective. The goal is to raise recovery costs, the downside is the time it takes to wipe. |
| 00:11.52 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 00:12.11 | Zemus | karsten, I see. |
| 00:12.18 | Zemus | I'm not worried about recovery at all. |
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| 00:12.34 | Azar | news: Debian as a society: an outsiders view << someone's 5c inside politics http://www.gatchev.info/blog/?p=456 |
| 00:12.40 | Zemus | I just want to wipe the drive. If I can wipe the system entirely off in the process, all the better. |
| 00:12.41 | karsten | Zemus: I would do a: delete, reformat, dd if=/dev/zero, dd if=/dev/urandom, then wipe or shred, in that order, if I didn't know how much time I'd have. |
| 00:12.43 | nvz | I've long since deleted all my ISOs cause I have been running out of space |
| 00:12.54 | nvz | most of them were old as hell anyhow :P |
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| 00:13.17 | Zemus | Hell is pretty old, at that. :P |
| 00:13.32 | slacker403 | holy crap |
| 00:13.44 | slacker403 | has anyone ever made these jeys for bind before ? |
| 00:13.47 | nvz | doh.. I still got like a full sarge mirror in /srv/apt/ |
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| 00:13.54 | nvz | and I'm not even running sarge anymore |
| 00:14.08 | nvz | thats like 10gb right there |
| 00:14.23 | RichiH | Zemus: if you just want a clean slate so you can hand it to your brother or something, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/foo is enough |
| 00:14.43 | Zemus | RichiH, that's hilarious, handing it to my brother is exactly what I'm going to be doing xD |
| 00:14.54 | RichiH | :) |
| 00:15.00 | Zemus | RichiH, odd question, but how does the kernel delete itself... you know... |
| 00:15.02 | nvz | I got 60gb in /srv/ and 45gb in /home/ so I dunno where the hell the rest is exactly.. that leaves like 15gb and surely that cant be just my installed packages |
| 00:15.06 | RichiH | then do that, mkfs afterwards |
| 00:15.08 | Zemus | I mean, it's just an odd thing to think about. How can you erase the last piece of yourself? |
| 00:15.09 | wfq | the mod_auth is called auth_basic or auth_digest but what is the name for mod_access |
| 00:15.14 | RichiH | Zemus: it deletes the inode reference |
| 00:15.34 | RichiH | i.e. it leaves the data on disk and just throws away the index cards |
| 00:15.43 | RichiH | oh, that |
| 00:15.54 | RichiH | running programs reside in memory |
| 00:16.04 | RichiH | unless you need to use swap, you are save |
| 00:16.16 | RichiH | or you use knopiix |
| 00:16.30 | Zemus | Right. |
| 00:16.40 | techbe1 | gn dudes |
| 00:16.49 | RichiH | yah, /me bed as well |
| 00:16.56 | wfq | again wrong, sorry. I am absolutely tired, sorry guys |
| 00:17.00 | Zemus | Yeah, I had thought of that idea, running off memory... sort of like a live disk session, running straight off cd, you could format the harddrive, then reboot, and it would be gone :P |
| 00:17.01 | nvz | oh well I guess I can get rid of that sarge mirror and free up a heafty chunk of space and now that I think about it, after I do that.. in theory I can LVM hdc, move /home/ onto there then with the /home/ and /srv/apt/ gone that frees up like 55gb or so on hda and I should be able to shrink hda1 down and put LVM on there too |
| 00:17.06 | Zemus | gnight RichiH, thanks for your help :) |
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| 00:17.11 | nvz | I can shrink ext3 right? |
| 00:17.21 | RichiH | np |
| 00:17.47 | RichiH | nvz: dunno. google or wikipedia? |
| 00:17.49 | slacker403 | anyone here ever use bind ? |
| 00:18.01 | karsten | slacker403: No |
| 00:18.04 | karsten | slacker403: It's a myth. |
| 00:18.09 | RichiH | slacker403: you most likely used it to connect to freenode ;) |
| 00:18.11 | karsten | slacker403: In fact, it's been outlawed. |
| 00:18.17 | RichiH | !anyone |
| 00:18.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:18.23 | RichiH | !use |
| 00:18.23 | dpkg | Rather than asking if someone uses package foo or program bar, just ask the question that you're planning on asking. See ask to ask, ask, sicco. |
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| 00:18.37 | karsten | slacker403: I hear that it's going to be made grounds for excommunication in the next papal bull. |
| 00:18.44 | karsten | !tell slacker403 about ask |
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| 00:19.01 | slacker403 | ok |
| 00:19.11 | slacker403 | i need help making rndc keys or w/e |
| 00:19.18 | nhuisman_work | i have a strange problem |
| 00:19.28 | nhuisman_work | I set my network information in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:19.38 | nvz | oh well I got a lot to learn about budgeting HD space.. given my situation this is a bonafide cluster fuck and there is no excuse for me having programs returning out of space errors when I have whole drives with nothing on them doing nothing but making noise and generating heat |
| 00:21.10 | karsten | valdyn: |
| 00:21.13 | karsten | nvz: http://pw1.netcom.com/~kmself/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 00:21.14 | Azar | slacker403: http://www.webservertalk.com/archive69-2005-11-1298625.html |
| 00:21.39 | nvz | I just wanna throw this box out and start over sometimes.. it runs like a damn P266 w/ 128mb ram and its an AthlonXP 1700+ w/ 512mb |
| 00:21.42 | karsten | nvz: What partitions are overfull? |
| 00:21.51 | nvz | karsten: only have one hda1 / |
| 00:22.17 | karsten | nvz: Um, ... |
| 00:22.20 | nvz | karsten: hda is like 110GB and then there is swap |
| 00:22.26 | nvz | er hda1 |
| 00:22.43 | karsten | nvz: You have one *disk* or one *partition*? |
| 00:22.56 | karsten | nvz: ... and w/ 110GB, there's no reason to be shy space for a workstation. |
| 00:23.24 | slacker403 | Azar: yea i have the rndc thing made where do i put it though ? :P |
| 00:23.25 | nvz | karsten: I have currently hda 120G (hda1 110G /, hda2 swap) hdc: 160G (nothing) |
| 00:23.40 | Azar | slacker403: didn't the link told you? read it |
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| 00:23.54 | karsten | nvz: Which still doesn't answer the question: what's running out of space? |
| 00:24.02 | karsten | Azar: I'm pretty convinced he doesn't know how to read. |
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| 00:24.20 | nvz | karsten: I only have one partition /dev/hda1 its 99% full |
| 00:24.31 | nvz | karsten: all I have is a root partition currently |
| 00:24.50 | karsten | nvz: OK, you've got a problem with something that's creating way too much data. |
| 00:25.00 | karsten | nvz: du -s and/or filelight are your friends. |
| 00:25.16 | Azar | slacker403: I am sorry to tell you but you will not learn everything you need to know to administer your system here. Hit the google, do the reads |
| 00:25.20 | peterS | maybe he's running apache2 mod_disk_cache, which is something I need to fix tonight (: |
| 00:25.40 | peterS | (it never prunes your cache, which for some reason is causing problems for people (: ) |
| 00:25.40 | nvz | karsten: yeah me.. heh. /srv/ is 60G which has /srv/apt (full sarge mirror) /srv/samba/ which is shared data music, movies, and then there is my /home/ which is 45G |
| 00:26.28 | nvz | karsten: I just now realized I still have a sarge mirror from when I had no internet.. I'm runnin etch now.. so thats like 9-10gb free there if I rm that |
| 00:26.28 | karsten | nvz: Then your problem isn't partitioning, it's managing your data. |
| 00:26.47 | nvz | karsten: heh yeah but I still need a partitioning scheme that compansates for my lack of data management |
| 00:27.31 | nvz | karsten: I need to know what filesystems will let me store many files like mp3s and such and can be easily resized in either direction so I can get a decent LVM setup going |
| 00:28.12 | karsten | nvz: You can tune blocksizes some. Not sure that's really going to affect multimedia storage though. |
| 00:28.29 | karsten | nvz: In general, ext3 is your best general bet. |
| 00:28.44 | nvz | karsten: and I need to also figure out why my damn PC is slower than hell and try improve performance I could maybe run raid on top of LVM or vice versa I really dont need the whole 280GB I got between those two drives |
| 00:29.04 | slacker403 | Azar: i am man i really am |
| 00:29.05 | karsten | nvz: top, iostat, vmstat. Look particularly to swap and iowait. |
| 00:29.22 | slacker403 | Azar: my last 2 days has been reading documentation for every different type of software |
| 00:29.23 | karsten | nvz: hdparm can help for disk issues. More RAM if you're swapping too much. |
| 00:29.39 | slacker403 | Azar: i have a rndc.key already there .......it maybe invalid i dunno |
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| 00:30.35 | nvz | karsten: I rarely swap.. I got little monitor applet on my toolbar its my CPU that seems to get backed up.. happens most when doing heavy network stuff |
| 00:30.41 | nhuisman_work | I set my network information in /etc/network/interfaces, and for some reason my dhcp client keeps overriding the static settings |
| 00:30.42 | n3kl | Are there any good management interfaces or control panels out there? |
| 00:30.45 | nhuisman_work | any idea what causes this? |
| 00:31.19 | nhuisman_work | i set the information in /etc/network/interfaces to a static ip |
| 00:31.31 | karsten | n3kl: ssh |
| 00:32.06 | nhuisman_work | hmm i see the dhcclient3 running in the bg |
| 00:32.10 | nvz | karsten: I'm just not understanding why I've got an AthlonXP 1700+ w/ 512mb ram and use mostly text-based apps and I got my damn cpu maxed out all the time with little multi-tasking going on.. and yet my friend's PIII 966 w/ 256mb/190mb (64mb shared for video) can be burning cds, running apollon, iceweasel, streaming video..etc all at once with no lag |
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| 00:32.12 | nhuisman_work | any idea what starts that? |
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| 00:32.41 | nanotube | how do I redirect man page to a file? |
| 00:33.15 | karsten | nvz: Stop jabbering. Run vmstat for ten minutes. Pastebin. Install and run sar as well. 'vmstat 4 150' |
| 00:33.23 | Qew | nanotube: man package > filename |
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| 00:33.47 | bintrue|work | Anyone familiar with Local Repositories? I need some information about custom components |
| 00:33.52 | karsten | nvz: if you want to track resource utilization more precisely google atop patched kernel and do same. |
| 00:33.58 | nvz | karsten: whats sar? I got nothing apt-cache show sar |
| 00:34.08 | karsten | nvz: sysstat |
| 00:34.21 | tnks | does anyone here use mairix? I was wondering how it handled mail in /new or /tmp. Because the Maildir protocol moves mail, so it seems like symlinks are broken. |
| 00:34.28 | slacker403 | well first anyone know why my rndc is returning connection refused ..........how do i go about fidning out why its doing this ? |
| 00:34.31 | karsten | !tell nvz about search |
| 00:34.33 | tnks | (for everythin not in /cur). |
| 00:36.51 | peterS | slacker403: is bind9 (named) running on the correct host? that's the obvious reason rndc would be unable to connect to it |
| 00:37.05 | Azar | slacker403: general help for Debian (not new, but covers the basic, what Etch brought new ..not documented yet here) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/index.en.html#contents |
| 00:37.09 | nvz | right, well I got lots of work to do then getting this machine running better I just beat on it and don't do any maint anymore |
| 00:37.39 | Azar | we still live with woody-sarge online documentation |
| 00:38.19 | peterS | slacker403: also, try 'netstat -Ainet -nl | grep 953' - do you have bind listening on port 953? |
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| 00:41.48 | slacker403 | petemc: is it normal to have bind and bind9 installed at the same time ? |
| 00:42.04 | litage|w | how does linux-phc compare to/differ from cpufreq? |
| 00:42.17 | peterS | slacker403: no, in fact bind (bind version 8) is not really recommended, it will be removed in the next debian release |
| 00:43.06 | peterS | slacker403: unless you have some particular reason to want bind version 8, just use bind9 only |
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| 00:44.13 | slacker403 | petemc: yes jus chekcing |
| 00:44.23 | slacker403 | but im pissed 3 hours tyring to setup bind9 |
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| 00:44.30 | slacker403 | this rndc still cant connect |
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| 00:44.44 | slacker403 | still cant connect |
| 00:44.52 | PumpkinPie | slacker403: reinstall |
| 00:44.55 | karsten | !tell slacker403 about enter |
| 00:45.07 | peterS | slacker403: you didn't tell us whether bind9 is listening on port 953. I told you how to find out. |
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| 00:45.13 | slacker403 | it is |
| 00:45.16 | slacker403 | well i think |
| 00:45.21 | slacker403 | iit says connection refused |
| 00:45.29 | PumpkinPie | heh |
| 00:45.44 | peterS | 'netstat -Ainet -nl' should print out a line containing "127.0.0.1:953 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN" |
| 00:45.51 | peterS | does it? |
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| 00:46.52 | slacker403 | petemc: didnt work |
| 00:46.54 | limpio | hi, what's the command to find out what type of hard drive i'm using? |
| 00:47.10 | peterS | slacker403: "didnt work" is not at all helpful. what didn't work? |
| 00:47.16 | slacker403 | command not found |
| 00:47.35 | peterS | slacker403: uh, netstat said command not found? you have much bigger problems than bind9 here |
| 00:47.37 | karsten | limpio: dmesg should tell you drive info. cat /proc/partitions for recognized devices. BIOS |
| 00:47.57 | slacker403 | petemc: yea sorry man i copeied to much real dumb |
| 00:48.03 | limpio | karsten, thank you! |
| 00:48.10 | karsten | limpio: Np |
| 00:48.18 | slacker403 | petemc: no 953 |
| 00:48.35 | slacker403 | 3306 80 32795 |
| 00:48.38 | peterS | slacker403: so you have to make sure bind9 is running. is it listening on UDP / TCP port 53, at least? |
| 00:49.08 | slacker403 | petemc: i jus see those 3 things i showed you |
| 00:49.21 | slacker403 | named is running though if that matters |
| 00:49.38 | peterS | if named is running but nothing is binding to UDP 53, there's something really wrong |
| 00:49.46 | peterS | you'll have to figure _that_ out before we can proceed |
| 00:49.57 | peterS | kill the named and rerun it with '/etc/init.d/bind9 start' |
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| 00:50.14 | slacker403 | lol |
| 00:50.26 | slacker403 | i go /etc/bind9 stop and it doesnt work |
| 00:50.33 | peterS | try killing it by hand then |
| 00:50.39 | slacker403 | ? :P |
| 00:50.40 | peterS | who knows what it really is, it might not even be bind9 |
| 00:50.43 | slacker403 | i never did that -D |
| 00:51.04 | peterS | kill the process ID number which calls itself named, using the kill command |
| 00:51.25 | wols_ | slacker403: nobody said anything about /etc/bind9 |
| 00:51.45 | slacker403 | killed |
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| 00:52.05 | slacker403 | wols_: i meant to say ini.d or w/e to |
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| 00:52.26 | peterS | slacker403: well, this will be much more efficient if you actually type what we tell you to exactly rather than just approximating it |
| 00:52.34 | slacker403 | yea sorry |
| 00:52.42 | slacker403 | so process is killed |
| 00:52.46 | peterS | computers don't infer context as easily as we do |
| 00:52.55 | peterS | so start it the way I told you to earlier, then |
| 00:52.58 | slacker403 | try to start bind9 ? |
| 00:52.59 | Samurai_Dio | hi |
| 00:53.00 | wols_ | slacker403: is bind even installed? |
| 00:53.05 | slacker403 | yes it is |
| 00:53.06 | slacker403 | bind9 |
| 00:53.07 | wols_ | slacker403: yes, try |
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| 00:53.36 | slacker403 | Starting domain name service...: bindnamed: capset failed: Operation not permitted |
| 00:53.36 | slacker403 | named: capset failed: Operation not permitted |
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| 00:53.55 | slacker403 | what od you know named is in the process list now |
| 00:53.57 | peterS | that's a problem. make sure you are the root user, and that you aren't running SELinux or something like that |
| 00:54.38 | slacker403 | nope |
| 00:54.38 | slacker403 | root |
| 00:54.38 | peterS | if you are running SELinux or similar, then I really can't help you, you'll have to figure out on your own how to get bind to work in that sort of environment |
| 00:54.38 | Samurai_Dio | i'm trying to add keycodes to my X, i already got the keycodes and made an ~/.Xmodmap file with, now, how do i set it at my X start up? for all the users? |
| 00:54.38 | slacker403 | petemc: jus debian |
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| 00:54.59 | maddash | ravenbird: wtf are you msg spamming me for? |
| 00:55.02 | ravenbird | usage: wtf <foo>. |
| 00:55.05 | slacker403 | shoudl i jus completely remove bind9 and re install |
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| 00:55.12 | maddash | ravenbird: hi |
| 00:55.12 | ravenbird | Many greetings, maddash, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 00:55.13 | peterS | slacker403: I wonder why capset would fail if you are the root user. you say named is in the process list, is the process now owned by the 'bind' user, or what? |
| 00:55.14 | Zemus | Grr. I was in here about fifteen minutes ago, RichiH gave me a command to wipe a hard drive? Could someone just paste it from the logs? |
| 00:55.29 | slacker403 | petemc: yea its owned by bind |
| 00:56.06 | peterS | Zemus: he basically suggested "cp /dev/zero /dev/whatever" |
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| 00:56.17 | S4nD3r | Hi, I will buy a printer/scanner (multifunctional) which are compatible to debian? |
| 00:56.27 | peterS | Zemus: that's good unless whoever buys your hard drive has a lot of money and a lot of interest in recovering your data |
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| 00:57.09 | bintrue|work | <RichiH> Zemus: if you just want a clean slate so you can hand it to your brother or something, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/foo is enough |
| 00:57.18 | dBgBdWolf | anyone knows of a static linked chroot for powerpc architecture? |
| 00:57.21 | slacker403 | petemc: should i just purge it form the system ? |
| 00:57.27 | Zemus | peterS, bintrue|work, thank you both very much. :) |
| 00:57.29 | peterS | bintrue|work: right, that's what I said, except I paraphrased it as "cp" instead of "dd" since they do exactly the same thing and cp has simpler syntax |
| 00:58.00 | bintrue|work | peterS: indeed, I was busy searching when you posted :) |
| 00:58.39 | peterS | bintrue|work: if you can't tell, I have a pet peeve with people who recommend use of "dd" in place of "cp" when their only reason to use dd is an irrational belief that cp doesn't work on block devices. of course cp works on block devices! |
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| 00:59.13 | dBgBdWolf | what's wrong with using dd though? |
| 00:59.26 | peterS | dBgBdWolf: the syntax is a lot more complex and unintuitive |
| 00:59.41 | peterS | dBgBdWolf: if you are just using dd as another way to type cp, why bother - "cp src dest" is a lot easier to learn and remember |
| 00:59.45 | karsten | peterS: Spoken as someone who's never used JCL! |
| 00:59.54 | peterS | karsten: true enough, though I've at least looked at CP/CMS |
| 00:59.56 | dBgBdWolf | oh, simpler syntax |
| 01:00.01 | Supaplex | how can I tell what keymap I'm using, if any? I'd like to dump /usr/share/keymaps/ |
| 01:00.12 | karsten | peterS: Shouldn't cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda have the same effect? |
| 01:00.17 | peterS | Supaplex: do you have /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz? if so, that's what gets loaded at boot time |
| 01:00.19 | slacker403 | how od a pure / remove a program competely from my system ? |
| 01:00.24 | peterS | karsten: yes |
| 01:00.30 | karsten | Supaplex: xconsolekeys maybe? |
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| 01:00.37 | dBgBdWolf | karsten: probably, but 3 more characters?! |
| 01:00.39 | Supaplex | peterS: yes. |
| 01:00.44 | wols_ | slacker403: apr-get remove --purge |
| 01:01.00 | karsten | dBgBdWolf: Feh |
| 01:01.01 | Supaplex | karsten: nope. I only have 256mb / (cf card firewall dealie) |
| 01:01.14 | karsten | Supaplex: ?? |
| 01:01.20 | peterS | slacker403: right, or, "aptitude remove packagename" or, if you also want to blow away your configuration, "aptitude purge packagename" |
| 01:01.25 | karsten | Supaplex: Oh, console map, not X map. |
| 01:01.32 | Supaplex | karsten: yyeeeEEeeesss :) |
| 01:01.34 | karsten | Supaplex: consolechars mumble mumble. |
| 01:01.38 | Supaplex | hehe |
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| 01:02.18 | peterS | karsten: ...though now it seems 'kbd' has risen from the dead to take over for 'console-tools' once again, so consolechars is no longer necessarily available.. |
| 01:02.24 | karsten | Supaplex: RTFM on that. I think it's what you want, more or less. |
| 01:02.30 | karsten | peterS: WTF! |
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| 01:02.52 | peterS | karsten: therefore I guess 'dumpkeys' is the other option nowadays |
| 01:03.01 | peterS | and 'loadkeys' |
| 01:03.06 | Samurai_Dio | i'm trying to add keycodes to my X, i already got the keycodes and made an ~/.Xmodmap file with, now, how do i set it at my X start up? for all the users? |
| 01:03.16 | slacker403 | Starting domain name service...: bindnamed: capset failed: Operation not permitted |
| 01:03.16 | slacker403 | named: capset failed: Operation not permitted |
| 01:03.23 | slacker403 | its dtill saying that right after a re install ? |
| 01:03.44 | wols_ | slacker403: it's not bind9 that gives you that rpoblem but the way you set up your kernel |
| 01:03.52 | amphi | Supaplex: could you not just use dumpkeys to get the current keymap into a file, and then use that? |
| 01:04.04 | peterS | slacker403: something in your Linux kernel is preventing the use of capset. I don't know what would cause that. maybe you've locked down your system in some way |
| 01:04.19 | slacker403 | do i need this ? |
| 01:04.36 | peterS | slacker403: what does 'cat /proc/sys/kernel/cap-bound' say? |
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| 01:05.20 | slacker403 | yea |
| 01:05.21 | corran | has anyone else noticed a distinct downtick in the performance of spamd? |
| 01:05.21 | Supaplex | amphi: I guess. I'm not sure what mattered, it's for a dumb little embedded firewall box. |
| 01:05.30 | slacker403 | i am in a vserver so kerrnel commands are not permitted ;) |
| 01:05.33 | slacker403 | sorry left that out |
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| 01:05.53 | peterS | you said you're root, you should be able to see the contents of /proc/sys/kernel/cap-bound |
| 01:05.55 | karsten | corran: Not after installing the performance_uptick patch. |
| 01:06.13 | corran | karsten: where do I get this? |
| 01:06.20 | slacker403 | look what i said peterS |
| 01:06.25 | slacker403 | brb in 2 mins |
| 01:06.32 | corran | karsten: is it right next to the kerberize_your_app patch? |
| 01:06.35 | karsten | corran: You might want to ask at #spamassassin. |
| 01:07.00 | corran | karsten: this is mostly about the shiny new debian unstable version |
| 01:07.00 | karsten | corran: I got _mine_ at www.spamd.gofaster |
| 01:07.18 | corran | yeah |
| 01:07.54 | karsten | corran: spamassassin's very sensitive to the size of the ruleset, and the size of the mail being filtered. There's a pathalogical effect of the two (each rule runs against each line of maile). Setting a cap at max lines scanned might help. |
| 01:08.30 | karsten | corran: ... or set lighter-weight filters ahead of spamassassin in your mailstream. If you know something should always be blocked, just block it, and let SA handle the grey cases. |
| 01:08.51 | corran | The cap hasn't changed |
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| 01:09.52 | karsten | corran: If your spamstream's tending to larger messages you might have an uncontrolled variable. |
| 01:10.09 | karsten | corran: That happened most recently that I recall during IIRC the sobig spamstorm. |
| 01:10.10 | corran | karsten: that is controlled by the procmail |
| 01:10.16 | karsten | corran: ?? |
| 01:10.27 | karsten | corran: You'd have to compare performance against a known corpus. |
| 01:10.31 | corran | I call spamc out of my procmail, with a limit on size |
| 01:10.39 | karsten | Right. |
| 01:10.44 | karsten | OK. |
| 01:10.52 | corran | this seems to be pegging CPU for minutes at a time |
| 01:11.12 | corran | while that might happen for 10 seconds previous to update |
| 01:11.14 | karsten | The other thing that can have an effect is the size of your bayesian token database. Again, I'm not familiar with specifics, you should be asking #spamassassin, really. |
| 01:11.23 | corran | yeah |
| 01:11.47 | Zemus | ok |
| 01:11.49 | corran | karsten: I will wander there shortly |
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| 01:12.04 | Zemus | User types "aptitude update" and receives "couldn't read list of packet sources" as a response. Ideas? |
| 01:12.20 | corran | karsten: I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a "Yeah, duh, we all know already..." situation |
| 01:12.33 | karsten | corran: Not that I'm aware. Check BTS |
| 01:14.21 | corran | karsten: yep, I am purge/reinstalling as I missed a config diff last update |
| 01:14.36 | corran | hopefully that will clear it up. |
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| 01:17.14 | Spyro_boy | Does anyone run Lenny/Sid here and have pypanel working? |
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| 01:17.25 | perseu | if via-vt82c686 sound board works how to configure to play MIDI files ? |
| 01:17.26 | karsten | !anyone |
| 01:17.26 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 01:17.32 | karsten | Spyro_boy: Just ask your question. |
| 01:17.37 | Zemus | karsten, ARRGGH don't be annoying. |
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| 01:17.50 | karsten | Zemus: My point exactly. |
| 01:17.51 | Zemus | karsten, also, no need to tell him twice. |
| 01:17.58 | Spyro_boy | karsten, that was my question. |
| 01:17.59 | karsten | Zemus: My point exactly. |
| 01:18.06 | Spyro_boy | Pypanel doesn't work for me at all. |
| 01:18.13 | Spyro_boy | So I'm wondering if it works for anyone else :x |
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| 01:18.15 | karsten | Spyro_boy: Yes. |
| 01:18.26 | karsten | Spyro_boy: See how useful that all was? |
| 01:18.33 | karsten | !tell Spyro_boy about bts |
| 01:18.35 | Spyro_boy | Alright. |
| 01:18.37 | Spyro_boy | I'll paste |
| 01:18.40 | Zemus | karsten, you told him once through dpkg, and once yourself, subjecting the entire channel to five lines of pointless drivel. Instead, say "yes, what do you need". He's just trying to be polite, something most of the denizens of #debian aren't familiar with. |
| 01:18.41 | karsten | !tell Spyro_boy about smart questions |
| 01:18.42 | Spyro_boy | Not here, of course. |
| 01:18.52 | karsten | Spyro_boy: Danke. |
| 01:18.56 | Spyro_boy | http://paste.tonybox.net/87 |
| 01:19.35 | karsten | Zemus: You've made your point, contributed to the channel, and we disagree as to best practices. I'm done. You? |
| 01:19.51 | Zemus | ^.^ |
| 01:20.01 | Zemus | 'k ;) |
| 01:20.13 | karsten | Zemus: Best offer I've had all week. |
| 01:20.14 | perseu | is via-vt82c686 sound card capable of to play MIDI files ? |
| 01:20.17 | Zemus | hahaha |
| 01:20.18 | Spyro_boy | Hey.. a little sex over here? |
| 01:20.21 | Spyro_boy | Just kidding! :P |
| 01:20.36 | Zemus | I was going to say. I'm with karsten. Back off my beatch. :P |
| 01:21.17 | karsten | Spyro_boy: Running from X or console, as what user, and is $DISPLAY set appropriately? |
| 01:21.30 | karsten | Spyro_boy: Otherwise I'd recommend a python channel. |
| 01:21.35 | Spyro_boy | karsten, running from a console in X. |
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| 01:21.38 | Spyro_boy | Alright |
| 01:21.39 | Spyro_boy | One sec |
| 01:22.02 | Spyro_boy | Yeah |
| 01:22.11 | Spyro_boy | I guess I'll go to #python. |
| 01:22.26 | Spyro_boy | I got it from apt, so I thought I'd try here first. |
| 01:22.31 | Spyro_boy | Thanks anyway. |
| 01:24.22 | Zemus | What's the command to reveal the version of debian you're using? I forget. :P |
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| 01:27.01 | metbsd | uname ? |
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| 01:29.43 | avar | cat /etc/debian* |
| 01:29.46 | mrsn0 | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:30.09 | nhuisman_work | whats that command to manage virtual hosts |
| 01:30.12 | nhuisman_work | with apache |
| 01:30.13 | khermans__ | i would like to influence APT to tell list all the installed packages, and then sort them by size, is there a way? |
| 01:30.38 | dfranke | Hi, I'm trying to install etch onto a hardware raid array that uses the megaraid_sas driver, but for some reason that module doesn't seem to be included on the install CD. |
| 01:30.50 | avar | nhuisman_work: $EDITOR |
| 01:31.23 | avar | there's also some enable/disable thing |
| 01:31.44 | dfranke | I have other hard drives onto which I suppose I could install and then use debootstrap, but is there an easier workaround? |
| 01:31.48 | nhuisman_work | yeah i was looking for the enable disable thing |
| 01:32.11 | asg | nhuisman_work: dpkg -L <pkg> | grep bin |
| 01:32.11 | mrsn0 | khermans__ most likely with dpkg yes |
| 01:32.19 | nhuisman_work | no |
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| 01:32.33 | nhuisman_work | there is something that moves the links around in /etc/apache2/sites-available etc |
| 01:32.38 | mrsn0 | i see a dpkg-query command on gooogle but i haven't tried it |
| 01:32.56 | khermans__ | mrsn0, well yes ok -- just wondering if someone had a quick hacky command to do it |
| 01:32.56 | mrsn0 | http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/packaging.html above number 2 |
| 01:33.12 | mrsn0 | as i say i haven't tried, so be sure to understand what it does before running |
| 01:33.38 | mrsn0 | other than that you could use wajig |
| 01:33.40 | asg | nhuisman_work: yes, it's called a2ensite which you would have found if you'd looked at the package list for apache |
| 01:34.22 | mrsn0 | ah actually from http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/refcard-en-a4.pdf |
| 01:34.30 | Zemus | I'm trying to install the popular messaging client 'pidgin'. When I type ./configure, it returns "The msgfmt command is required to build libpurple. If it is installed on your system, ensure that it is in your path. If it is not, install GNU gettext to continue.". Any ideas? |
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| 01:34.38 | karsten | Just fired off konqueror under it, moved it to a Xephyr display, while opening a whole mess of bookmarks in tabs. |
| 01:34.38 | nhuisman_work | asg, sorry i'm sick and floating on niquil right now |
| 01:34.43 | GhostlyDeath | Can I use a FAT32 drive as /home? |
| 01:34.45 | nhuisman_work | asg, i just linked it by hand |
| 01:35.06 | karsten | GhostlyDeath: Not sanely. |
| 01:35.16 | nhuisman_work | GhostlyDeath, technically yes, but kind of bad idea. |
| 01:35.26 | nhuisman_work | fat32 doesn't recover well from errors. |
| 01:35.26 | asg | nhuisman_work: that's all the util does anyway. Hope you feel better. |
| 01:35.32 | GhostlyDeath | This is a single user PC |
| 01:35.40 | karsten | GhostlyDeath: Prior answers stand. |
| 01:35.48 | nhuisman_work | GhostlyDeath, does that stop it from powering off during a blackout? |
| 01:35.55 | nhuisman_work | and fat32 going uh oh i'm hosed. |
| 01:36.03 | karsten | GhostlyDeath: fat32 doesn't have permissions or other advanced features, does large disks poorly, fragments, and is generally hell. |
| 01:36.22 | nhuisman_work | GhostlyDeath, what is the reason you wish to do this? share with windows? |
| 01:36.23 | GhostlyDeath | nhuisman_work, my computer doesn't shut off when the power goes out =P |
| 01:36.28 | nhuisman_work | GhostlyDeath, sure... :P |
| 01:36.29 | GhostlyDeath | nhuisman_work, yes |
| 01:36.33 | karsten | GhostlyDeath: There's the umsdos filesystem which overlays Unix symantix on vfat, but that's really a kludge and isn't considered safe. |
| 01:36.45 | nhuisman_work | GhostlyDeath, have you considered just running windows in a vm? |
| 01:36.47 | GhostlyDeath | nhuisman_work: Laptop |
| 01:36.52 | karsten | GhostlyDeath: a few linuxes in the past did that, mostly for demo stuff. |
| 01:36.57 | GhostlyDeath | nhuisman_work, I do not like VMs |
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| 01:37.16 | GhostlyDeath | But if I could run both OSes at once... |
| 01:37.26 | GhostlyDeath | Ctrl+Alt+8 for Windows and 7 for Linux.. |
| 01:37.28 | nhuisman_work | Personally I would create a separate partition and put files i want to share between them in there |
| 01:37.29 | GhostlyDeath | sharing resources |
| 01:37.30 | somian[0] | If your laptop has a typical amount of ram it would probably be a real pain to try to run a vm |
| 01:37.49 | GhostlyDeath | I have a FAT32 drive in the middle being shared |
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| 01:38.09 | GhostlyDeath | err |
| 01:38.12 | GhostlyDeath | partition |
| 01:38.13 | mrsn0 | am i the only one with no problems with ntfs-3g ? :) |
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| 01:39.14 | somian[0] | So far it's working great for me, mrsn0 ... but setting up the backport was a bit lengthy due to my scrambled brain at the time |
| 01:39.16 | GhostlyDeath | There any compression thinbgs for Ext3? |
| 01:39.33 | somian[0] | Compression doesn't work yet, I think |
| 01:39.46 | GhostlyDeath | My NTFS C: (/dev/sda1) is all compressed to save space |
| 01:39.48 | mrsn0 | same somian[0] , gets around file size limit of vfat which is good |
| 01:39.53 | GhostlyDeath | Laptop has limited space |
| 01:40.03 | somian[0] | Ooops, I read "ntfs-3g" and you wrote "ext3" ... brain's still scrambled |
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| 01:40.11 | Zemus | I'm trying to install the popular messaging client 'pidgin'. When I type ./configure, it returns "The msgfmt command is required to build libpurple. If it is installed on your system, ensure that it is in your path. If it is not, install GNU gettext to continue.". Any ideas? |
| 01:40.25 | somian[0] | mrsn0: yes, that's a quite good thing |
| 01:41.14 | mrsn0 | Zemus try installing gettext |
| 01:41.25 | Zemus | k... :/ |
| 01:41.30 | mrsn0 | apt-get install it |
| 01:42.01 | Zemus | aptitude is better ;) |
| 01:42.33 | Zemus | I guess I would have had to ./configure in the same path as msgfmt for it to work without gettext. |
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| 01:43.02 | mrsn0 | aptitude is good yea, still stick to apt-get for most things /tries to kick habit |
| 01:43.04 | Zemus | worked. :) Thanks! |
| 01:43.09 | Zemus | lol |
| 01:44.25 | metbsd | what's difference between atitude and aptget |
| 01:44.29 | metbsd | they are same shit |
| 01:45.17 | GhostlyDeath | I just use aptitude |
| 01:45.28 | metbsd | it's good? |
| 01:45.34 | n3kl | Anyone having trouble with steam? |
| 01:45.43 | asg | metbsd: aptitude has better dependancy resolution. |
| 01:46.10 | metbsd | how better? |
| 01:46.10 | n3kl | #wine |
| 01:46.28 | metbsd | how is it better? |
| 01:46.30 | asg | metbsd: it does a better job of installing more shit so you don't have to know what you are doing |
| 01:46.31 | GhostlyDeath | I have Windows and Linux for Developing |
| 01:46.44 | GhostlyDeath | asg, that's me lol |
| 01:46.56 | GhostlyDeath | Search for something then get it |
| 01:47.01 | metbsd | so i use apt-get it install less shit because its dependency resolution is just not as good? |
| 01:47.18 | somian[0] | precisely* |
| 01:47.21 | GhostlyDeath | they* |
| 01:47.34 | wols | metbsd: no, you use apt-get cause you can't configure aptitude correctly |
| 01:47.47 | asg | metbsd: it installs recommends by default, apt-get doesn't. Sometimes this is good, sometimes it's bad. |
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| 01:47.58 | wols | metbsd: and that default is changeable |
| 01:48.07 | mrsn0 | your welcome Zemus |
| 01:48.14 | somian[0] | That's a small difference. Notice that a 'recommends" is weaker than a "requires". |
| 01:48.29 | mrsn0 | apt/aptitude have a few differences really |
| 01:48.38 | wols | there is a big difference too: aptitude uninstalls support libs if they aren't needed anymore |
| 01:48.42 | mrsn0 | its not fair to say 'its better' |
| 01:48.57 | mrsn0 | like most things it depends |
| 01:49.04 | wols | then there is that circular references thing, etc |
| 01:49.17 | Zemus | All I know is that I would kill a man with my bare hands for some gummy bears. |
| 01:49.23 | metbsd | i still think windows xp is better for my laptop |
| 01:49.52 | metbsd | but hwere i work, they all use debian as server |
| 01:50.32 | metbsd | although i hate debian and like windows and netbsd |
| 01:51.14 | asg | metbsd: are you going to stop trolling now? |
| 01:51.24 | n3kl | metbsd: please leave |
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| 01:53.34 | stew | metbsd: please keep it constuctive and on-topic |
| 01:53.34 | somian[0] | kerrr-plonk |
| 01:53.34 | metbsd | ok |
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| 01:53.35 | metbsd | i'll keep it constructive when i was back to the office |
| 01:53.35 | Zemus | Wow. That was hilarious. He just got *hammered*. :| |
| 01:53.52 | mrsn0 | nn |
| 01:54.07 | somian[0] | People have been quite forebearing I have been thinking |
| 01:54.20 | waspius | anyone know of any voice recognition software |
| 01:54.33 | Zemus | uh |
| 01:54.34 | asg | waspius: sphing2 |
| 01:54.36 | slacker403 | peterS: you still up ? |
| 01:54.37 | Zemus | wine dragonnaturallyspeaking xD |
| 01:54.38 | somian[0] | Last night the first i saw was "how do you page up / down in more on debian" |
| 01:54.40 | asg | waspius: gah, sphinx2 |
| 01:54.49 | peterS | slacker403: maybe |
| 01:54.57 | somian[0] | a lamer Q if ever there was one |
| 01:55.07 | waspius | asg: thank u |
| 01:55.12 | asg | waspius: you're welcome |
| 01:55.28 | metbsd | htat was me |
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| 01:55.47 | metbsd | i asked about page up and down in debian cuz fcking more returns beedps when i tried to pg up and down |
| 01:55.59 | metbsd | only because the more required the less |
| 01:56.01 | metbsd | lol |
| 01:56.02 | cryptnix | How do I boot a Debian CD on my computer? |
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| 01:56.08 | metbsd | a fcking joke |
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| 01:56.49 | cryptnix | ;-/ |
| 01:56.53 | n3kl | cryptnix: the bios should have a boot option for a cd |
| 01:57.00 | cryptnix | dont bother |
| 01:57.14 | somian[0] | cryptnix: enter your bios setup and configure your device boot order. restart. (bios will restart for you on exit). |
| 01:57.14 | cryptnix | lol |
| 01:57.17 | cryptnix | stop |
| 01:57.19 | cryptnix | i was kidding |
| 01:57.44 | karsten | How do you enter the 'a' key in Debian? |
| 01:57.49 | n3kl | yay for satire |
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| 01:58.28 | n3kl | Not really a debian question, but is anyone else having trouble connecting to steam with wine? |
| 01:59.00 | waspius | asg: sphinx4 is out |
| 01:59.07 | karsten | somian[0]: What joke? |
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| 01:59.19 | cryptnix | oh dear. http://timbo.cmsinter.net/blog/?p=185 <-- i can't find the fun in that |
| 01:59.27 | somian[0] | It's a legit question that trips up a lot of people if they've no experience with live CDs .... so i didn't see where the "funny" was. |
| 01:59.31 | cryptnix | mind you ... check to see what OS the web server is running |
| 01:59.34 | cryptnix | ;-/ |
| 01:59.42 | asg | waspius: yes, but not in stable. If you want to compile it yourself, feel free. |
| 02:00.09 | somian[0] | Hi karsten ... cannot believe it, i am still stuck with not being able to run the irfanview installer in wine! |
| 02:00.24 | waspius | asg: what about 3? |
| 02:00.57 | somian[0] | I went back to the release that was documented to work, and thought i had a good mfc42.dll, but now its the same showstopper ;-( |
| 02:01.16 | asg | waspius: same thing. The newer version might be (should be better) but etch only has sphinx2. Depending on what you want to do, it might be worth looking at newer versions. |
| 02:01.40 | waspius | ok |
| 02:03.10 | karsten | somian[0]: feature! |
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| 02:03.21 | cockroach | hrm, how can i find out which nameserver is responsible to answer reverse-lookups for a certain ip address? |
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| 02:06.44 | asg | cockroach: dig @a.root-servers.net -x <ip> (rinse, repeat with the authoritative servers below) (or ask #dns) |
| 02:06.46 | richard_ | I'm almost done downloading 4.0r0. Is wifi and Nvidia a major headache? Is it going to be any easier to configure with 4.0r0? I've been running systems that pretty much set up my wifi and Nvidia automatically. . . |
| 02:07.13 | cockroach | asg: thanks! |
| 02:07.42 | asg | cockroach: if you don't have dig(1), install the dnsutils package |
| 02:08.04 | cockroach | asg: i have it, just never got *that* familiar with it :) |
| 02:08.17 | asg | cockroach: ah, okay :) |
| 02:08.24 | metbsd | man the fcking dig of yours |
| 02:09.14 | asg | metbsd: No definitions found for "fcking", perhaps you mean: |
| 02:09.14 | asg | gcide: fucking |
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| 02:10.00 | Zemus | If I was a superhero... |
| 02:10.08 | Zemus | my name would be Captain Superhunger. |
| 02:10.14 | Zemus | And my sidekick, AnorexiaBoy. |
| 02:10.20 | Zemus | Together... we purge crime! |
| 02:10.34 | asg | Zemus: Brian Regan? |
| 02:10.40 | Zemus | What? |
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| 02:10.56 | asg | Zemus: no, wait, Stephen Lynch |
| 02:11.03 | Zemus | What are you talking about? |
| 02:11.39 | asg | Zemus: the same could be said of yourself no? |
| 02:11.45 | Zemus | Good point. :| |
| 02:11.47 | Zemus | Still. |
| 02:11.50 | Zemus | WHOA my cat just jumped in my lap |
| 02:11.56 | Zemus | anyway, dependency hell. |
| 02:11.56 | Zemus | You must have libxml2 >= 2.6.0 development headers installed to build. |
| 02:12.01 | Zemus | I canno find. :/ |
| 02:12.26 | metbsd | what's good notebook to buy |
| 02:12.32 | metbsd | i want long battery life |
| 02:12.45 | Zemus | metbsd, long battery life? Get a dell xps m2010. |
| 02:12.56 | metbsd | how long is it |
| 02:13.10 | metbsd | i want to buy a new one to replace this acer |
| 02:13.25 | asg | metbsd: this latitude d420 gets 3 hours. |
| 02:13.39 | metbsd | i want 10 hours |
| 02:13.44 | stew | i get 5 on my thinkpad t42 |
| 02:13.45 | asg | metbsd: get a longer cord |
| 02:13.45 | metbsd | triple that |
| 02:13.46 | somian[0] | captain! Spock's trapped in the pattern buffer, again! |
| 02:13.56 | Zemus | how long is the battery life? |
| 02:13.57 | stew | but only if i remove every possible module and don't run x or wireless and no framebuffer :) |
| 02:14.04 | asg | stew: this can do that but you have to get the bigger battery that sticks you in the nuts. |
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| 02:14.25 | Zemus | It depends on if you've got the 20.1" screen on at the same time as the bluetooth keyboard and you're harnessing the X1800. |
| 02:14.34 | cockroach | asg: hrm, there doesn't seem to be an entry at ripe.net to point me anywhere. i'll just bother the #dns guys, though :) |
| 02:14.54 | Zemus | metbsd, http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m2010?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs |
| 02:15.14 | asg | cockroach: it may be that ripe.net didn't delegate the .in-arpa at all and does it themselves. |
| 02:16.36 | Zemus | dependency hell. HALP!!! |
| 02:16.36 | Zemus | You must have libxml2 >= 2.6.0 development headers installed to build. |
| 02:16.37 | cockroach | asg: sounds highly inefficient to me... |
| 02:16.45 | Zemus | Using etch. Anyone know how to get around this? |
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| 02:16.58 | stew | Zemus: install libxml2-dev |
| 02:17.01 | stew | Zemus: what are you compiling? |
| 02:17.03 | Zemus | it's installed. |
| 02:17.05 | Zemus | pidgin. |
| 02:17.12 | stew | Zemus: apt-get build-dep pidgin |
| 02:17.31 | Zemus | build-dep? |
| 02:17.36 | stew | Zemus: yes. build-dep |
| 02:17.40 | Zemus | ... |
| 02:18.05 | cockroach | stew: won't that fail to work if pidgin is not actually available in etch? |
| 02:18.38 | stew | cockroach: it will work as long as he has a deb-src pointing to a repository containing pidgin, which i'm assuming he has if he is compiling pidgin |
| 02:18.39 | Zemus | yay, it works ^.^ Thanks! |
| 02:18.47 | stew | Zemus: are you recompiling the debian package? |
| 02:18.51 | cockroach | stew: okay, shutting up then :) |
| 02:18.54 | Zemus | There isn't a debian package. |
| 02:19.00 | stew | !info pidgin |
| 02:19.04 | dpkg | pidgin: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2508 kB, Installed size: 6828 kB |
| 02:19.12 | stew | Zemus: if there wasn't then build-dep would have failed for sure |
| 02:19.15 | Zemus | heheh, for sid only, then? |
| 02:19.32 | stew | Zemus: yes |
| 02:19.41 | Zemus | stew, I didn't use build-dep, it was libxml2-dev after all :P |
| 02:19.42 | stew | Zemus: are you backporting the sid package? |
| 02:20.02 | Zemus | stew, no, I don't know enough about debian to backport a package. :P I'm just compiling from source. |
| 02:20.04 | Zemus | Or at least, trying. |
| 02:20.20 | stew | Zemus: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:20.27 | compress | how would i edit /etc/aliases to forward all root email to email@domain.com ? |
| 02:21.04 | stew | compress: run "newaliases" after making sure it contains "root: email@domain.com" |
| 02:21.20 | Zemus | stew, thanks ;) |
| 02:22.50 | Zemus | 'Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list", I don't know which line to add. :P Not a huge concern to me now anyway. |
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| 02:23.06 | Zemus | Why the fuck is dpkg so rude, and why does no one fix it? |
| 02:23.27 | stew | Zemus: you have a "etch" or "stable" line now that starts with "deb" duplicate it, change "deb" to "deb-src" and change "etch" or "stable" to "sid" |
| 02:23.32 | kairu0 | i'm looking for an SMTP proxy daemon that supports authentication at the proxy (not proxying authentication info to the SMTP server). any help? |
| 02:23.40 | Zemus | Thanks. :) |
| 02:23.53 | stew | Zemus: eh? |
| 02:24.16 | Zemus | Eh. |
| 02:24.21 | stew | Zemus: what do you think is rude exectly? |
| 02:24.30 | stew | or should i say, "what the fuck is rude"? |
| 02:24.34 | Zemus | hahahaha |
| 02:24.46 | Zemus | dpkg, the bot. It's horrifyingly rude. |
| 02:24.54 | Zemus | I'm hardly the first to express this sentiment. :P |
| 02:25.36 | stew | uhh, if it offends you, feel free to /ignore dpkg |
| 02:25.48 | stew | Zemus: or feel free to change the factoids to make them less rude |
| 02:25.51 | Zemus | It's curt, it has no manners, a lot of what it says seems to imply that you're probably going to do it wrong, (ie: tell me about backports --> are you sure it hasn't already been backported), or generally telling people to stfu. |
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| 02:26.35 | stew | Zemus: its curt becuase many of the factoids are trying to pack as much stuff as possible into the factoid lenght limit |
| 02:26.41 | Zemus | And people constantly use it to tell other people that they're somehow being stupid. Then they tell the people themselves, to add to the redundancy. It's like they're trying to earn brownie points by bettering someone. |
| 02:26.56 | stew | Zemus: if it gives you the sense that you might do something wrong if you aren't careful, i'd call that a benefit |
| 02:26.58 | Zemus | "4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly." |
| 02:27.06 | Zemus | That isn't trying to save time, that's sarcasm. |
| 02:27.29 | Zemus | "to do it properly" implies that you're just going to mess it up, paying someone, ie: no one would help you free |
| 02:27.31 | Zemus | wtf kind of bot is this/ |
| 02:27.48 | karsten | Zemus: it's dondelelcaro's bot. |
| 02:27.52 | stew | Zemus: no, its saying that its possible that backporting is much more involved and if this is the first your hearing of backporting then you probably won't be able to handle anything that isn't simple |
| 02:28.10 | stew | Zemus: how do you think that factoid should be reworded? |
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| 02:28.54 | amphi | Zemus: _did_ you check backports.org? ;) |
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| 02:29.16 | Zemus | amphi, I had no interest in backporting anything, so no, of course I didn't. |
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| 02:29.23 | Zemus | There would have been nothing to check :P |
| 02:29.49 | Zemus | whoa, some guy just called me and asked me to come pick up four towers and a monitor |
| 02:29.50 | Zemus | free |
| 02:30.05 | Zemus | all with PSU's, mounted processors, etc. EXCELLENCE |
| 02:30.09 | Zemus | By my troth! I am off! |
| 02:30.19 | stew | Zemus: if you think that factoid should be changed, and can suggest a good alternative, it can easily be changed |
| 02:30.20 | amphi | pfft |
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| 02:31.07 | Zemus | stew, I think virtually all of its factoids should be reworded, but yeah, I'll submit some suggestions when I get back :P |
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| 02:32.30 | stew | Zemus: but i do find it kinda funny that you would get offended by it telling you to check to be sure that nobody has already done the work for you, but then youd go and say somehting like "wtf kind of bot is that" and "why the fuck is dpkg so rude" |
| 02:33.25 | Zemus | stew, I'm human, I get to cuss |
| 02:33.28 | Zemus | bots are supposed to be polite ;) |
| 02:33.41 | Zemus | Besides which, my irritation is directed at the bot / situation in general |
| 02:33.50 | Zemus | whereas, when the bot is rude, it is directly rude to a user. |
| 02:33.59 | Zemus | You would think a bot's purpose would be to be helpful. :P |
| 02:34.06 | amphi | Zemus: it's a _bot_ ffs |
| 02:34.24 | Zemus | I have *got* to run, more later. (and sorry if I've become something of a troll on this one :P ) |
| 02:34.27 | stew | Zemus: i don't find it rude and find it very helpful. if you find it rude and not helpful, you are welcome to /ignore it |
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| 02:35.05 | amphi | it's like someone being offended because a mynah bird swore at them ;) |
| 02:36.00 | karsten | amphi: He didn't just swear! |
| 02:36.04 | lymeca | I want to convert the HFS+ partition on my iPod to FAT32. Is this safe/possible to just delete the existing HFS+ partition on the iPod and create a new vfat partition in the unallocated space with GParted? |
| 02:36.05 | karsten | amphi: He gave me the bird! |
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| 02:36.13 | amphi | heh |
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| 02:36.34 | karsten | lymeca: There's a blessed-by-apple way of doing this, there's also some Linux utilities for doing the same thing. |
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| 02:36.59 | lymeca | karsten: blessed-by-apple means little to nothing to me. Especially if it involves using iTunes. |
| 02:37.06 | lymeca | What GNU/Linux utilities though? |
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| 02:41.23 | maddash | karsten: what shell do you use? |
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| 02:41.58 | karsten | maddash: bash, of course. |
| 02:42.04 | regulate | dab:~# insmod |
| 02:42.04 | regulate | Segmentation fault |
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| 02:42.12 | unperson | I've downloaded a source deb. I think, based on stuff I've read, that I want to set a certain deb build option. How do I do that? |
| 02:42.22 | regulate | i've reinstalled module-init-tools and klibc-utils to no avail |
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| 02:42.25 | karsten | lymeca: Just sharing an experience by a friend recently. I'm not familiar w/ it myself. |
| 02:42.35 | peterS | unperson: export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip (for example) |
| 02:42.47 | karsten | lymeca: This was part of installing rockbox on the ipod, though, his particular Thinkpad instance was blowing up. |
| 02:43.10 | lymeca | I'm trying to install Rockbox as well |
| 02:43.10 | karsten | lymeca: apt-cache search ipod, no idea what the linux tools are. |
| 02:43.18 | lymeca | But I can't have HFS+ on it |
| 02:43.22 | lymeca | I need it to be FAT32 |
| 02:43.39 | heavensrevenge | , hello |
| 02:43.42 | unperson | peterS, Cool. Then I can just use dpkg -b to build the deb? |
| 02:43.45 | karsten | lymeca: There's a #rockbox channel, FYI. |
| 02:43.51 | heavensrevenge | how can i use tar to copy from 1 directory to another?? |
| 02:44.04 | regulate | there's a package that updates gnome's menu system, i think its debian specific, anyone know what it is? |
| 02:44.10 | peterS | unperson: not quite - that's only the last stage in building a deb. you really want to install 'fakeroot' and 'devscripts' then run 'debuild -us -uc -b' |
| 02:44.14 | Decepticon | why does doing the 'cat' command on a jpg file totally scrwe up my shit |
| 02:44.35 | peterS | unperson: debuild will invoke 'dpkg -b' after doing a bunch of other stuff |
| 02:45.03 | stew | Decepticon: becuase your terminal is interpreting some of the data as terminal control characters. typing "reset<enter>" should fix it |
| 02:45.38 | karsten | heavensrevenge: tar cvf - . | ( cd otherdir; tar xvf - ) |
| 02:46.07 | peterS | karsten: ouch, two instances of tar -v, that will produce a lot of garbage on console |
| 02:46.07 | karsten | heavensrevenge: gnu tar (current) offers an "untar elsewhere" option, but the above formulation is portable to other platforms. Why not just cp or rsync? |
| 02:46.08 | unperson | peterS, Hmm...in the past (when I didn't have to set options) I used 'apt-get --compile source package'. |
| 02:46.14 | heavensrevenge | will it include symlinks and permissions? |
| 02:46.26 | karsten | peterS: Finger memory. Yes, that can be excluded. |
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| 02:46.33 | amine | hey |
| 02:46.37 | heavensrevenge | im basically copying the entire filesystem contents from 1 disk to another |
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| 02:46.41 | heavensrevenge | (migrating) |
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| 02:46.51 | amine | should i compile alsa as module or built in for debian ( in kernel )? |
| 02:46.53 | karsten | heavensrevenge: The 'v' is not necessary. tar cf - . | ( cd otherdir; tar xf - ) willl work. |
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| 02:47.37 | karsten | heavensrevenge: cp -cprv <origin> <destination> |
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| 02:48.08 | peterS | unperson: 'apt-get -b source' will invoke 'dpkg-buildpackage', which is a slightly less smart version of 'debuild'. so whatever. |
| 02:49.03 | heavensrevenge | im reading the man page to try and understand the arguments |
| 02:49.23 | unperson | peterS, I see. Thanks. I'll give this a shot. |
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| 02:50.03 | peterS | heavensrevenge: rather than tar|tar, I use 'cp -ax' for that sort of thing. or 'cp -a' if you know you want to cross filesystem boundaries in the source location |
| 02:50.07 | slacker403 | peterS: im still having the same problem any ideas :) ? |
| 02:50.26 | heavensrevenge | actually its from an xfs to xfs |
| 02:50.32 | peterS | slacker403: no, it's a problem with your kernel. you refused to run 'cat /proc/sys/kernel/cap-bound' so I have no idea how to proceed |
| 02:50.34 | heavensrevenge | im migrating to a bigger disk |
| 02:50.46 | heavensrevenge | same partition layout, 4 partitions |
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| 02:51.08 | peterS | heavensrevenge: yeah I'd just do 'mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt' then 'cp -ax / /mnt' and so on and so forth |
| 02:51.09 | heavensrevenge | and id like to copy all except the swaps contents, lol |
| 02:51.37 | slacker403 | peterS: i cant accessthose dir's is it writing to the kerrnel ? |
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| 02:52.06 | peterS | slacker403: it's not writing to anything, it's reading the current settings from your kernel. if you are root you should be able to read that file. if you are not, you can't. |
| 02:52.28 | slacker403 | peterS: im using linux vserver at the moment |
| 02:52.37 | peterS | slacker403: I do not care. what happens when you read that file? |
| 02:53.18 | slacker403 | operation not permitted |
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| 02:53.33 | lymeca | How do I get the mkfs.vfat command available? Or perhaps at least let GParted able to create VFAT/FAT32 filesystems on unallocated partitions? |
| 02:53.56 | wols | !tell lymeca about search |
| 02:54.06 | peterS | slacker403: then you need to ask your system administrator to give you the capability to run capset. |
| 02:54.14 | lymeca | I already searched for fat32 AND vfat AND mkfs wols |
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| 02:54.34 | slacker403 | peterS: do i need it though ? |
| 02:54.40 | peterS | slacker403: you might be able to avoid this by configuring bind to run as the root user instead of running as the bind user |
| 02:54.47 | peterS | slacker403: ask your system administrator |
| 02:54.47 | lymeca | Either I'm missing something and being silly or this is nonobvious |
| 02:54.52 | peterS | slacker403: that's why he gets paid |
| 02:55.13 | slacker403 | i am in the system administrator i have this thing running in a vserver |
| 02:55.14 | wols | lymeca: then maybe you should start searching pdo? |
| 02:55.23 | lymeca | pdo? |
| 02:55.27 | wols | !pdo |
| 02:55.27 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 02:55.35 | slacker403 | i have a real server and i put linux vserver on it so i can run multiple servers in it |
| 02:55.43 | nvz | hmm I think deleting the cwd crashes nautilus.. interesting |
| 02:55.57 | wols | slacker403: if you are running the host too, then you configure your vsedrver properly to do it |
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| 02:56.46 | lymeca | wols: the same searches turn up nothing of use |
| 02:56.56 | slacker403 | you can only run Bind9 under vserver as root ( uid=0 ). ... |
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| 02:57.01 | peterS | slacker403: so do that |
| 02:57.57 | slacker403 | peterS: how would i go about doing that ? |
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| 02:58.21 | peterS | slacker403: configure it in named.conf, I believe. if you aren't sure how to do that, read the docs |
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| 02:59.26 | efaistos | I'm trying to do this formail -s procmail < Maildir/spam and I have a line with that in my .procmailrc --> * ^(From|To|Cc):.*(name1|name2)*domainname.com but that doesnt put my name1@domainname.com or name2@domainname.com to the the directory ... it doesnt do anything |
| 02:59.32 | efaistos | any idea ? |
| 02:59.43 | peterS | slacker403: actually I take that back, configure it in /etc/default/bind9 |
| 03:00.03 | slacker403 | why was it trying to run as its own user ? |
| 03:00.22 | peterS | uh so it wouldn't be running as root |
| 03:00.33 | peterS | that's a simple security principle, don't run things as root if you don't have to |
| 03:00.51 | slacker403 | looks like i will have to here huh ? |
| 03:01.02 | peterS | that's what you discovered about vservers, yeah |
| 03:01.16 | peterS | apparently they don't let you use capset in the right way, so your only recourse is to run it as root so it doesn't need to use capset |
| 03:01.31 | peterS | remove the -u bind from /etc/default/bind9 and go from there |
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| 03:04.02 | slacker403 | peterS: i did |
| 03:04.10 | slacker403 | how can i check to see if its listening on that port now ? |
| 03:04.23 | peterS | I told you before. netstat -Ainet -nl | grep 953 |
| 03:04.38 | heavensrevenge | will it copy all the links and permissions during the cp -ax? |
| 03:04.39 | slacker403 | yea |
| 03:04.40 | slacker403 | its there |
| 03:04.41 | slacker403 | :P |
| 03:04.53 | peterS | ok so proceed in configuring your rndc keys |
| 03:05.24 | slacker403 | peterS: did that |
| 03:05.28 | slacker403 | it connected all is good |
| 03:05.34 | peterS | hmmm, netstat -tnl is easier to type than netstat -Ainet -nl. must remember that for future use. |
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| 03:05.49 | peterS | or even netstat -tunl, that's kind of cute |
| 03:05.59 | slacker403 | but yea thanks :P |
| 03:06.08 | peterS | np |
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| 03:06.25 | Decepticon | when i try to run this program called devilspie on debian etch, got from synaptic, i get teh message it say "No s-expressions loaded, quitting" not sure what that mean |
| 03:06.32 | slacker403 | wheres the named.conf usually stored ? |
| 03:06.38 | peterS | /etc/bind |
| 03:06.39 | slacker403 | gotta add one line to it |
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| 03:06.56 | peterS | or in particular you might just want to edit /etc/bind/named.conf.options |
| 03:07.09 | peterS | see 'man named.conf' for the gory details |
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| 03:07.57 | lymeca | What package contains the mkfs.vfat program? A search turns up nothing... |
| 03:08.08 | cast | maddash: apt-file search doesn't? |
| 03:08.19 | maddash | cast: ? |
| 03:08.27 | cast | `apt-file search mkfs.vfat` |
| 03:08.39 | cast | ahh sorry maddash, i meant lymeca |
| 03:08.40 | maddash | cast: you mean lymeca? |
| 03:08.51 | cast | i saw an m...pushed tab.. |
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| 03:09.35 | lymeca | cast: nothing |
| 03:09.58 | peterS | you probably want dosfstools for that, don't know why apt-file wouldn't know about it |
| 03:09.59 | cast | dosfstools: sbin/mkfs.vfat |
| 03:10.06 | wols | lymeca: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=bin%2Fmkfs&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 03:10.14 | cast | lymeca: oh, have you ever ran apt-file update? |
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| 03:10.29 | lymeca | cast, no I have not. |
| 03:11.21 | cast | lymeca: ahh. that will inprove apt-files effectiveness a worthwhile margin |
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| 03:11.41 | lymeca | Ah there we go! Thanks cast. |
| 03:11.47 | iamnobody | hello |
| 03:12.03 | iamnobody | I have just upgraded X server |
| 03:12.11 | slacker403 | peterS: how long was that 4 hours ? |
| 03:12.16 | iamnobody | and now I am unable to login correctly |
| 03:12.16 | slacker403 | just because of 1 line |
| 03:12.32 | iamnobody | I can type the username and the password |
| 03:12.35 | iamnobody | it logs.... |
| 03:12.39 | iamnobody | and nothing on the screen |
| 03:12.41 | iamnobody | any clue? |
| 03:12.47 | peterS | slacker403: dunno, you left and came back so I don't know what you were doing during that time |
| 03:12.53 | wols | !enter |
| 03:12.53 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 03:12.58 | wols | iamnobody: look in your X logs |
| 03:13.09 | iamnobody | wols: I did |
| 03:13.19 | iamnobody | wols: no error messages |
| 03:13.30 | iamnobody | wols: I am not an expert in X |
| 03:13.40 | iamnobody | wols: It has been always my worst part |
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| 03:13.53 | wols | !tell iamnobody about enter |
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| 03:14.12 | wols | iamnobody: stop gdm or whatever display manager you run. log in at console and run startx |
| 03:14.17 | iamnobody | wols: what do you mean "about enter"? |
| 03:14.41 | iamnobody | I stoped GDM and loged in ... and had the same behaviour |
| 03:14.45 | dacs | hi, i have just finished installing Debian 4.0, but when i boot my lapy it doesn't go to gnome, can you help please? |
| 03:15.34 | cast | dacs: so what does it go to? |
| 03:15.51 | dacs | cast: it boots to the shell |
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| 03:15.58 | wols | iamnobody: just what dpkg told you |
| 03:16.10 | wols | dacs: apt-get install gnome gdm |
| 03:16.10 | cast | dacs: ok, then login as root and run aptitude install xorg gnome |
| 03:16.22 | cast | dacs: and whenever someoen says apt-get install use aptitude install |
| 03:16.23 | iamnobody | i used apt to upgrade... |
| 03:16.51 | iamnobody | and it mentioned something about a prevention for an error everybody is making..... |
| 03:17.01 | iamnobody | i do not remember what it was |
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| 03:18.33 | dacs | wols: cast : every time i try to install something it asks me to insert the cd? is this is something new in debian? |
| 03:18.51 | iamnobody | actually each time i hit apt-get upgrade |
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| 03:19.04 | iamnobody | it does an upgrade of the same thing i beleive |
| 03:19.40 | wols | dacs: no. you didn't configure your sources.list properly |
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| 03:20.06 | dacs | wols: will you help me please |
| 03:20.12 | wols | to do what? |
| 03:20.53 | heavensrevenge | wow, screw copy or tar, rdiff-bckup is working great :D |
| 03:20.55 | cast | comment out the cdrom lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, mmm, there's probably a manpage somewhere |
| 03:21.00 | cast | heavensrevenge: indeed! |
| 03:21.03 | wols | !sources.list |
| 03:21.03 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 03:21.21 | cast | ahh man sources.list works :) |
| 03:21.46 | peterS | lots of configuration files in debian have manpages, yes |
| 03:22.45 | karsten | cast: man section 5 |
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| 03:23.15 | Decepticon | can someone tell me why this thing in the center wont go away until i click on it http://i11.tinypic.com/526l4jl.png |
| 03:23.19 | cast | karsten: huh, no worky |
| 03:23.25 | karsten | cast: man man |
| 03:23.33 | karsten | cast: manual section 5 is what I was saying. |
| 03:23.42 | cast | karsten: ahh. |
| 03:23.58 | karsten | cast: Describes file formats. 1 == user commands, 6 == games. |
| 03:23.59 | karsten | etc. |
| 03:24.12 | dotCOMmie | hey, has anyone experienced insmod segfaulting? |
| 03:24.19 | karsten | !anyone |
| 03:24.19 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 03:24.33 | karsten | dotCOMmie: strace it. Pastebin results. |
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| 03:24.53 | vyrus001 | i have a sata controler card set to raid1... yet when i boot my computer it sees 2 sata drives? |
| 03:24.54 | wols | karsten: hunting yourself is kinda dangerous |
| 03:24.59 | peterS | bleh, latin nouns do not have -ii in their declensions |
| 03:25.05 | dotCOMmie | karsten: sure thing.. gimme a min, stupid wireless crap |
| 03:25.09 | karsten | wols: I'm never sure where I'm going to catch me. |
| 03:25.10 | wols | vyrus001: don't use that. use normal sofware raid |
| 03:25.31 | vyrus001 | wols, ?! |
| 03:25.38 | vyrus001 | wols, why would software be better than hardware ? |
| 03:25.41 | wols | !fakeraid |
| 03:25.41 | dpkg | Term used for controller cards that advertise raid functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these got only a bios ... if you use thiem with debian it's suggested that you don't set a raid in the bios and just use regular software raid. |
| 03:25.49 | wols | vyrus001: cause you don't have raid hardware |
| 03:25.56 | Decepticon | can someone tell me why this thing in the center wont go away until i click on it http://i11.tinypic.com/526l4jl.png |
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| 03:26.19 | vyrus001 | wols, it is telling me its a raid 1 |
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| 03:27.17 | dotCOMmie | karsten: http://www.pastebin.ca/549407 |
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| 03:27.32 | wols | vyrus001: what is it exactly? what chip? |
| 03:27.48 | wols | vyrus001: 99,9% of all cases it's fakeraid aka not raid |
| 03:27.50 | vyrus001 | wols, sli 3114 i beleave.. let me check |
| 03:27.52 | wols | no matter what it tells |
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| 03:28.08 | wols | silicon images doesn't make RAID controllers. fakeraid |
| 03:29.21 | dotCOMmie | karsten: anything interesting |
| 03:29.50 | vyrus001 | wols, as in no matter what it sais.. its not raiding ? |
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| 03:30.32 | dotCOMmie | karsten: modconf can load the module without problems |
| 03:31.20 | wols | vyrus001: exact. cause it lacks the hardware. either use software raid or no raid at all |
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| 03:33.43 | cafuego | unless you controller costs around $500, use kernel mode software raid. it will be more reliable *and* faster. |
| 03:34.38 | dotCOMmie | cafuego: .. and even them if your controller dies you can almost certainly wave data bye bye |
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| 03:34.56 | cafuego | aye |
| 03:35.11 | peterS | dotCOMmie: nah you just have to make sure you're a big enough organisation to buy more than one of the same raid controller |
| 03:35.37 | dotCOMmie | peterS: then its 2*$500 |
| 03:35.41 | wols | dotCOMmie: backups. heard of them? |
| 03:35.54 | dotCOMmie | wols: ooh yeah I've heard of them |
| 03:35.55 | peterS | wols: now that's a helpful comment. no wait, it's not. |
| 03:36.06 | peterS | and weren't the hardware raid people working on an interoperable disk format? I wonder if anything became of it |
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| 03:36.08 | dotCOMmie | wols: you going to backup a raid to a raid? |
| 03:36.30 | wols | dotCOMmie: tape. whatever. the data shouldn't be lost |
| 03:37.01 | dotCOMmie | wols: my point still stands |
| 03:37.31 | dotCOMmie | even if you have backups restoring original data is nice and if your hardware raid controller flips out you'r screwed |
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| 03:39.05 | govtrust | anyone installed hp1020 with cups in etch |
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| 03:39.21 | dotCOMmie | govtrust: is that a laserjet? |
| 03:39.26 | govtrust | yes |
| 03:39.36 | cafuego | it might be a winprinter |
| 03:39.44 | dotCOMmie | govtrust: laserjets are quite painless |
| 03:40.07 | endra | hey guys |
| 03:40.11 | endra | im about to go crazy over this problem. |
| 03:40.13 | cafuego | http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1020 |
| 03:40.24 | govtrust | I'm pretty far along I have the web interface up but I cant print a test page |
| 03:40.24 | dotCOMmie | cafuego: beat me to it |
| 03:40.31 | cafuego | !win me |
| 03:40.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, cafuego! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 03:41.12 | dotCOMmie | cafuego: d: |
| 03:41.15 | endra | When I compiled my own kernel, and rebooted, I keep getting VFS: Cannot open root device "sda4" or uknown-block(0,0). Please append a correct "root=" boot option. Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0). |
| 03:41.28 | endra | I am positive I selected my sata chipset (Intel ICH). |
| 03:41.43 | stew | endra: did you include the filesystem driver? |
| 03:41.50 | cafuego | endra: did you also add scsi support and scsi disk support, as well as the fs driver? |
| 03:41.53 | endra | Yes, ext2/ext3 built in. |
| 03:42.10 | endra | scsi support/disk support.. not too sure. |
| 03:42.21 | cafuego | well, sata uses the scsi layer, so you'll need it |
| 03:42.44 | endra | I think it was selected. I'll just do make oldconfig/make menuconfig and see if it is selected. |
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| 03:45.14 | peterS | endra: yeah or grep BLK_DEV_SD .config |
| 03:45.22 | endra | FATAL: error inserting i8xx_tco occurs on bootup as well. |
| 03:45.53 | dotCOMmie | anyone have ideas why insmod would segfault? should I post bugreport? |
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| 03:46.15 | compress | dotCOMmie: hardware problems |
| 03:46.38 | endra | Okay, I see SCSI disk support as [M]. |
| 03:46.51 | endra | SCSI device support is [---]. |
| 03:46.54 | dotCOMmie | compress: ???? compress modconf can load the driver |
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| 03:47.04 | endra | Is this the cause of the problem? |
| 03:48.16 | govtrust | thanks cafuego I'll give it a shot |
| 03:48.23 | endra | !kp-mantra |
| 03:48.23 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
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| 03:48.29 | kritical | Does anyone know if it's possible to read the label of a tape (written using tar --label)? |
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| 03:49.00 | peterS | endra: [---] means you can't unselect it because of other things you've got selected, so that's OK. [M] means you'll have to use an initrd |
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| 03:49.12 | endra | Okay, I set it to [*] and am compiling it now. |
| 03:49.37 | endra | It shouldn't take so long the second time around should it ? |
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| 03:49.55 | peterS | endra: probably not as long, unless you've changed a lot of stuff or upgraded your compiler or something |
| 03:49.58 | endra | I didn't delete the directories like I usually would |
| 03:50.11 | endra | No, just edited that setting. |
| 03:51.37 | endra | Okay, giving it a go and ill get back to you if there is any problems. |
| 03:51.37 | endra | Thank you. |
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| 03:54.47 | govtrust | I'm still getting usb 7-5 device description read/64 error -110 |
| 03:55.07 | kritical | Can anyone tell me if there is a way to read the volume name from a tape written using tar?? |
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| 03:56.29 | govtrust | also I don't have dev/usb/lp0 |
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| 03:57.25 | govtrust | I have several usb files all tagged usb 4-1 usb 5-1 etc |
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| 03:58.40 | *** kick/#debian [eMonster|Vista!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 03:58.59 | govtrust | thank god |
| 03:59.01 | digilink | was wondering when that would happen |
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| 04:00.01 | peterS | sorry about that, I wasn't paying attention |
| 04:00.06 | govtrust | cafuego I appreciate your help earlier |
| 04:00.29 | govtrust | any chance you know whats up with this error |
| 04:00.40 | nvz | 17G free woot! |
| 04:00.50 | govtrust | usb 7-5 device description read/64 error-110 |
| 04:01.23 | efaistos | how do you make a negation of a grouping in regexp if you have something like that (test1|test2|test3) and I would like to not match that ... |
| 04:01.41 | nvz | I've only just begun to sift through my data. and already freed 17GB of useless/redundant data |
| 04:02.00 | peterS | efaistos: depends on your regexp language. the simple posix one, I don't believe it has a way to represent a negative string |
| 04:02.10 | Azar | wtf was that guy advertising? |
| 04:02.16 | nvz | efaistos: grep -v ? |
| 04:02.27 | nvz | Azar: stupidity? |
| 04:02.53 | efaistos | nvz: peterS it's for a procmail receipe |
| 04:03.04 | Azar | C# sounds to me more like microsoft crap, than IBM stuff |
| 04:03.19 | nvz | I'd settle for a dinner receipe right now I'm hungry |
| 04:03.48 | govtrust | anyone installed an hp1020 laserjet with etch? |
| 04:04.01 | Azar | oh crap, let me find a howto for you |
| 04:04.22 | peterS | nvz: dude it's like midnight, you don't want dinner, you want junk food |
| 04:04.36 | user1_ | is there a ssh key generator for windows? |
| 04:04.44 | govtrust | I've been to one http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1020 |
| 04:04.44 | peterS | user1_: sure, openssh |
| 04:05.04 | peterS | user1_: that's rather outside the topic of this channel, though |
| 04:05.14 | user1_ | it's ok, thanks pete |
| 04:05.29 | govtrust | and I've looked up this error usb 7-5 device description read/64 error -110 |
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| 04:06.20 | govtrust | I think it may have something to do with ehci and uhci? |
| 04:06.28 | govtrust | but I don't know how to remove one |
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| 04:09.01 | govtrust | how do you check to see if you have both ehci and uhci installed |
| 04:09.11 | nvz | govtrust: uhci would be your usb1.1 driver and ehci is usb 2.0 |
| 04:09.21 | nvz | IIRC ehci depends on either uhci or ohci |
| 04:09.37 | govtrust | ok |
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| 04:09.48 | nvz | govtrust: lsmod would tell you if they are loaded |
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| 04:10.15 | govtrust | they are both listed |
| 04:10.30 | ehc | I saw this site once that had a searchable help files for html, css, python and a bunch of other. Can anyone help me remember this site? |
| 04:10.52 | nvz | my damn mobo's USB controller doesnt even support usb 2.0 .. at least I don't think it does *shrug* |
| 04:11.00 | nvz | maybe I just never loaded the damn driver.. heh |
| 04:11.43 | govtrust | heh |
| 04:12.04 | nvz | ehc: python documentation is at python.org, html/css are all over the place w3m.org http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/ |
| 04:12.51 | ehc | nvz, I am thinking of a particular site. It had all the information in a format similar to http://www.edgewall.org/python-sidebar/html/toc-tutorial.html |
| 04:13.06 | Azar | govtrust: http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/ |
| 04:13.14 | nvz | *shrug* these are all open scripting languages and their respective websites are the best source of information |
| 04:13.31 | Azar | "HP LaserJet 1000/1005/1018/1020/1022 (often erroneously referred to as 'winprinters' or 'GDI printers')" |
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| 04:13.54 | nvz | python.org has the documentation organized 4 different ways, tutorial, library ref, language ref, and global module index |
| 04:14.01 | metbsd | i want to use puttygen to convert dsa key to the key file putty recognize, anyone know how to do that? |
| 04:14.07 | dacs | i just finished apt-get install gnome gdm, how can i test if it's work , i tried gnome and gdm but not working |
| 04:14.08 | nvz | if one of them doesnt suit you, then you don't need to be programming python |
| 04:14.37 | Azar | govtrust: thats from http://thegoldenear.org/toolbox/unices/server-setup-debian-etch.html#printing >> scroll down to instructions |
| 04:14.48 | govtrust | ehc, heres a site with some cheet sheets http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/cheat-sheets/ download and search as needed |
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| 04:15.05 | govtrust | cool azar ill check it out |
| 04:15.44 | Azar | govtrust: tho that's more a howto for servers, but I found your printer model there.. |
| 04:16.06 | Presently42 | Hello. I'm getting xcb_xlib.c:50: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed. when trying to use supertux. And, Beryl willn't start. Googling does not seem to be specific enough. Any ideas? Thanks. |
| 04:16.18 | Azar | I guess you will have to install the driver from the site I gave you first |
| 04:16.44 | dacs | \quit |
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| 04:17.44 | govtrust | I have CUPS running with the driver but can't print a test page |
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| 04:18.56 | bkw | hmm, anybody familiar with sun lom, the snmp seem to be impossible to get going. |
| 04:19.08 | govtrust | spoke too soon I'll give this a shot |
| 04:19.24 | Azar | govtrust: I guess your printer model driver has a bug: someone comments that when it turns off the printer then back up it stops working.. |
| 04:20.42 | Azar | govtrust: ah ok >> The firmware of the printer must be uploaded after turning it on. You can use a hotplug/udev script which comes with foo2zjs, or do it manually: "cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1020.dl > /dev/usb/lp0". |
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| 04:21.21 | govtrust | tried that but I have no /dev/usb file |
| 04:22.01 | Azar | hmm try using hputils? |
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| 04:22.52 | Azar | because sounds silly to upload the firmware everytime you turn it on |
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| 04:24.44 | govtrust | I agree |
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| 04:25.22 | regulate | lftp broken in sid? |
| 04:25.26 | regulate | E: lftp: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 04:26.09 | govtrust | getting errors on the make file "clock skew detected" |
| 04:26.14 | metbsd | can i ask some ssh question? |
| 04:26.31 | metbsd | can two hosts use one key file? |
| 04:27.00 | Kevin` | metbsd for client keys, yes, but it's still not something I recommend |
| 04:27.15 | Kevin` | instead, make a key for both, and allow both on both machines |
| 04:27.36 | Azar | govtrust: you got the desktop , or the server? |
| 04:27.48 | metbsd | well, i create a dsa public key in debian, so i want to use the key file in another windows host putty.. i don't think putty can use the dsa key file i created in debian |
| 04:28.14 | Kevin` | metbsd putty does have a tool to import openssh keys |
| 04:28.31 | metbsd | i tried, did not work |
| 04:28.33 | govtrust | desktop but I did a netinstall so Im probably missing some files |
| 04:28.39 | metbsd | i scp the key file from debian |
| 04:28.49 | metbsd | scp dl |
| 04:29.01 | Kevin` | it worked for me the last time I tried |
| 04:29.01 | metbsd | then i use puttygen to load the openssh key file |
| 04:29.03 | metbsd | failes |
| 04:29.07 | Kevin` | I was using rsa though |
| 04:29.29 | Azar | govtrust: read this, see if you can find a way... there are several tips there: http://thegoldenear.org/toolbox/unices/desktop-system-setup-debian-testing.html#printing |
| 04:29.30 | metbsd | was it public key |
| 04:29.40 | Kevin` | it was both keys, of course.. |
| 04:29.58 | Kevin` | the client needs the private key to connect |
| 04:30.16 | metbsd | ok so i need private key instead of pub key |
| 04:30.22 | Kevin` | copy both |
| 04:30.23 | metbsd | why on debian i just copied pub key over |
| 04:30.30 | Kevin` | no, you didn't. |
| 04:30.35 | govtrust | I'll give it a read. |
| 04:30.36 | Kevin` | you copied it to the server maybe |
| 04:30.45 | metbsd | on debian ssh server i copied pub key only, why |
| 04:30.46 | govtrust | Thanks for all your help |
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| 04:30.48 | Kevin` | the computer your connecting to should only have the public key |
| 04:30.56 | Kevin` | the client needs the private key |
| 04:31.00 | metbsd | i don't know how this thing work |
| 04:31.06 | Kevin` | apparently :) |
| 04:31.06 | metbsd | does client need pub key? |
| 04:31.14 | Kevin` | afaik yes it probably does |
| 04:31.18 | Kevin` | can't hurt.. |
| 04:31.39 | metbsd | but if putty cannot recognize pub key, it doesn't need it? |
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| 04:31.57 | Kevin` | maybe not |
| 04:32.07 | Kevin` | you should still keep it so you can add the key to servers |
| 04:32.46 | metbsd | ok |
| 04:32.52 | metbsd | it worked now. thanks |
| 04:32.54 | metbsd | but |
| 04:33.00 | metbsd | if i want to use securecrt |
| 04:33.12 | metbsd | they probably have different key format? |
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| 04:33.25 | Kevin` | i'm not familiar with securecrt |
| 04:33.27 | metbsd | my collegues keeps telling me to use securecrt |
| 04:33.28 | Kevin` | look at the program |
| 04:33.36 | Kevin` | why use it? |
| 04:33.56 | metbsd | they said it has advantages over putty |
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| 04:34.20 | Kevin` | well, it's homepage says it supports openssh keys |
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| 04:35.40 | metbsd | but on securecrt it has pub key only, wtf |
| 04:35.47 | metbsd | it should use a priv key from openssh |
| 04:35.52 | metbsd | right? |
| 04:39.08 | metbsd | dam it connection refused for putty |
| 04:40.18 | Azar | hehe : "Debian GNU/Linux Services" HP Charges $500.00 consultant fee to help setup an HP LJ printer |
| 04:40.41 | Azar | brother.. brother but business is business |
| 04:40.49 | regulate | i'm having trouble removing a package |
| 04:41.02 | Azar | regulate: how so? what is the error? |
| 04:41.05 | regulate | post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 04:41.22 | regulate | its the lftp package in sid |
| 04:41.36 | Azar | ah crap.. sorry I don't play with sid, is bad boy |
| 04:42.23 | regulate | http://pastebin.ca/549514 |
| 04:43.04 | omar | is libc6_2.5-9+b1_i386.de in testing broken? |
| 04:43.11 | omar | .deb |
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| 04:47.38 | metbsd | is there a way to combine all pdf files into one big one |
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| 04:48.25 | SerajewelKS | is there a configuration option for gdm that will lock the screen after an automatic login? |
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| 04:52.50 | jordanb | http://hafd.org/~jordanb/junk/debian-scorpion.jpg <-- What do you guys think of this as a graphic for debian security? |
| 04:53.03 | jordanb | Contra the openssh/bsd blowfish thing. |
| 04:53.48 | Azar | SerajewelKS: lock the screen? as in a printscreen freeze snapshot? |
| 04:54.38 | Azar | hehe that's a devilish hiding the real desktop, cruel joke to others |
| 04:54.40 | SerajewelKS | Azar: as in gnome-screensaver-command --lock |
| 04:54.56 | Azar | SerajewelKS: ah .. I don't know gnome, don't use a desktop |
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| 04:56.25 | tbamr | Azar: plain vanilla x ? |
| 04:56.35 | Azar | hmmm I remember one of my servers at work has an automatic setting for screensaver to force people to login after like 10 min inactivity |
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| 04:56.40 | regulate | jordanb: scorpions dont turn their backs on prey |
| 04:56.42 | Azar | tbamr: yes |
| 04:56.48 | tbamr | Azar: :) |
| 04:57.03 | aredhel | I see why you would auto log in then lock the screen, but you could try adding gnome-screensaver-command --lock to the start up session. |
| 04:57.22 | Azar | tbamr: I am trying my hard to get to like desktops... tried, but I do not like them |
| 04:57.31 | tbamr | haha |
| 04:57.44 | aredhel | * I don't see |
| 04:58.02 | Azar | aredhel: unattended terminals where people have access.. |
| 04:58.11 | Azar | it is a good idea |
| 04:58.18 | aredhel | but just don't auto login |
| 04:58.36 | aredhel | it's more or less the same thing. |
| 04:58.38 | jordanb | regulate, What? |
| 04:58.53 | Azar | ummm I thought he ment a screensaver with an automatic login screen after x minutes of inactivity |
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| 05:00.02 | Azar | see, the desktop and applications are still there on the terminal but only by clicking one application with the intent to start operating it, will trigger an automatic login screen (username, password) |
| 05:01.11 | metbsd | Kevin`, i tried it, putty does not need public key, it's for servers |
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| 05:10.32 | metbsd | i want to use knoppix to install debian |
| 05:11.12 | Azar | have fun |
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| 05:12.16 | sanmarcos | after doing a 'debuild' how can I clean ? |
| 05:12.19 | metbsd | i wonder how to do that |
| 05:13.36 | Guerin_ | metbsd: google debian chroot install |
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| 05:14.35 | metbsd | what does chroot mean? |
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| 05:15.06 | Guerin_ | metbsd: it means `fucking learn to use google' |
| 05:15.42 | cahoot | metbsd: why not use debians installer? |
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| 05:16.38 | metbsd | i'm asked to use knoppix as a recovery cd to install debian 3.1 and windows |
| 05:16.41 | metbsd | is that possible? |
| 05:17.00 | Azar | tehee you want to install woody |
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| 05:18.16 | Guerin | metbsd: you can use it to install debian, but not windows |
| 05:18.23 | Guerin | metbsd: not sure why you'd bother, though |
| 05:18.29 | Azar | metbsd: Debian comes in 3 versions: stable(Etch), testing(Lenny) and unstable(Sid). You would want the stable(Etch) version 4.1 from here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 05:18.49 | stew | 4.1? |
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| 05:18.55 | metbsd | 1) Download the latest version of Knoppix that supports Debian 3.1 with the 2.6 Linux kernel. |
| 05:18.55 | Azar | err sorry 4.0 |
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| 05:19.03 | metbsd | that's my first task |
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| 05:19.12 | Guerin | metbsd: are you following some retarded howto? |
| 05:19.20 | Azar | metbsd: thats a very old Debian version that do not support newer PCs |
| 05:19.29 | metbsd | no, it's just my task list |
| 05:19.29 | stew | metbsd: why do you want to install 3.1 (aka oldstable) and why not just use a debian installer? |
| 05:19.42 | stew | metbsd: who decided on this task list? |
| 05:19.46 | Guerin | stew: he has a LIST, dontchaknow |
| 05:20.06 | aboven | does debian auto-update the kernel on the own way |
| 05:20.34 | stew | aboven: what do you mean exactly? |
| 05:20.53 | stew | aboven: its possible to install a new kernel with apt-get / aptitude if that is what you mean |
| 05:20.58 | sanmarcos | after doing a 'debuild' how can I 'clean'? old stuff like configure-stamps and so on? |
| 05:21.02 | metbsd | i'm in china, i'm creating a dvd that can mount and recover a debian install from knoppix, and i need to ship this dvd over to the usa |
| 05:21.11 | stew | sanmarcos: fakeroot debian/rules clean |
| 05:21.30 | sanmarcos | stew: thank you very much |
| 05:21.42 | aboven | no i mean if its like ubuntu ur getting the uodates like per month as is with other stuff in debian .. |
| 05:21.43 | ningma | metbsd, speek english, pls |
| 05:21.47 | Azar | metbsd: that's old, you can use the Debian installer for the newest version of stable |
| 05:21.57 | Azar | metbsd: http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch |
| 05:22.19 | Azar | it looks like in china they are not current with Debian releases |
| 05:22.21 | metbsd | i just need to use knoppix to create a recovery cd for debian and windows |
| 05:22.30 | stew | ningma: he is speaking english. |
| 05:22.33 | metbsd | how to check debian version anyway |
| 05:22.53 | Azar | metbsd: 3.1 is the old, 4.0 is the new |
| 05:23.01 | stew | metbsd: /msg dpkg version |
| 05:23.02 | metbsd | i'm chinese. but i'm speaking english now |
| 05:23.16 | Azar | .. and it has the recovery in disk 1 of Debian |
| 05:23.29 | Azar | metbsd: you speak good english |
| 05:23.34 | metbsd | it's 3.1 |
| 05:23.40 | metbsd | the server |
| 05:23.50 | metbsd | i don't want to upgrade it |
| 05:24.01 | Azar | ah you already have the 3.1 installed. Well the 1st CD has the recovery on it |
| 05:24.05 | stew | metbsd: you should consider upgrading it to 4.0, the currently released version of stable, sometime in the next year, support for 3.1 will be terminated |
| 05:24.18 | metbsd | i avoid taking risk of being responsible of downtime, if it works i leave it as it is |
| 05:24.19 | ningma | chinglish |
| 05:24.27 | Azar | ningma: stop offending |
| 05:24.31 | stew | ningma: do you have a debian related question? |
| 05:24.41 | metbsd | hehe |
| 05:24.55 | Guerin | chinglish is interesting stuff alright |
| 05:25.12 | Azar | ya and I speak spanglish |
| 05:25.40 | Guerin | my wife did postgrad research on Konglish in Korea |
| 05:25.46 | Guerin | it was awesome |
| 05:25.53 | Azar | metbsd: the use of knoppix is obsolete from the version 3.1 up.. |
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| 05:26.27 | regulate | gcc-4.1-arm-linux-gnu: Depends: libssp0 but it is not installable |
| 05:26.36 | regulate | what is libssp0 |
| 05:26.37 | Azar | metbsd: I do not think you can get a linux CD to restore windows though.. |
| 05:26.54 | stew | regulate: apt-cache show libssp0 |
| 05:27.02 | stew | regulate: what version of debian are you running? |
| 05:27.28 | metbsd | but i can create a livecd linux to restore debian? |
| 05:27.40 | regulate | stew: sid |
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| 05:27.49 | metbsd | should i use knoppix for that task |
| 05:28.11 | regulate | stew: trying to get a cross toolchain for arm |
| 05:28.27 | Azar | metbsd: I do not think so, for Debian/GNU/Linux version 3.1 you use the first CD , for windows... I do not know... |
| 05:28.43 | stew | regulate: libssp0 doesn't currently exist in sid |
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| 05:29.56 | Azar | metbsd: do you have the Debian documentation ? from online? |
| 05:29.57 | stew | regulate: looks like it was removed and nothing should be depending on it any longer, see #421162 |
| 05:30.14 | metbsd | Azar, i do |
| 05:30.17 | stew | metbsd: what do you need this recovery cd to do that a debian install cd cannot do? |
| 05:31.17 | metbsd | steve, windows servers can be recovered using knoppix |
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| 05:31.53 | Azar | metbsd: it should mention about recovery |
| 05:32.02 | Azar | on troubleshooting.. |
| 05:32.40 | regulate | stew: so what should i do in my situation? |
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| 05:33.12 | stew | regulate: where did gcc-4.1-arm-linux-gnu come from? that isn't a debian package |
| 05:33.23 | regulate | stew: emdebian's repo |
| 05:33.55 | stew | regulate: then you should be asking the package maintainer or the repository maintainer |
| 05:34.14 | stew | regulate: or you are going to have to try to bulid the toolchain out of testing instead of unstable |
| 05:34.18 | stew | regulate: or /msg dpkg sdn |
| 05:34.36 | regulate | or rebuild these packages without the depend |
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| 05:38.05 | Azar | metbsd: I found what you want: http://gaetc-ejournal.org/technical/reuse/reuse.htm |
| 05:38.26 | Zemus | dear christ |
| 05:38.38 | Zemus | so many issues to resolve... in linux... upon first install... uhhh.... |
| 05:38.47 | Zemus | The ubuntu users don't go through this. Everything just WORKS for them. >.< |
| 05:39.08 | Zemus | Why doesn't my sound work? |
| 05:39.17 | stew | Zemus: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 05:39.53 | cmacis | Ubuntu laptop users don't have everything work at once |
| 05:39.58 | Zemus | O_O |
| 05:39.59 | Zemus | Thanks! |
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| 05:41.17 | Supaplex | weird. my cpu use is less than 10%, and my load average is 7.2? |
| 05:41.21 | metbsd | Azar, thank you |
| 05:41.40 | stew | Supaplex: wa%? |
| 05:41.56 | Supaplex | 0.6%wa |
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| 05:42.29 | Azar | metbsd: this one is to restore windows: http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/29161.html |
| 05:42.30 | Supaplex | I had to ssh back in from another box. the keyboard won't respond. mouse is ok. kvm seems sane. |
| 05:42.41 | cast | Zemus: everything works when you read the manual :) |
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| 05:42.52 | Zemus | cast yeah, but in windows all you have to worry about is drivers. |
| 05:42.57 | Zemus | In linux.... uuggghhhhh.... |
| 05:43.04 | Zemus | NO MORE DEPENDANCIES PLZ K THX! >: ( |
| 05:43.13 | stew | Zemus: please lose the caps |
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| 05:43.19 | Supaplex | Zemus: spyware? virus? malware? |
| 05:43.25 | Zemus | stew, first and last time offense. |
| 05:43.29 | cast | Zemus: wait, debian doesn't have dependancy hell. what are you talking about? |
| 05:43.43 | Zemus | Supaplex, I'm not saying by any means windows is superior, I'm just saying linux is a pain in the ass upon initial setup. |
| 05:43.43 | Supaplex | Zemus: let's not forget non-free... :p |
| 05:43.51 | Zemus | cast, yes it does. I've just spent an hour on it. |
| 05:43.54 | stew | Zemus: if you want help with a specific problem, please ask a specific question |
| 05:44.05 | stew | Zemus: /msg dpkg bat |
| 05:44.18 | Zemus | stew um, what's your point? |
| 05:44.20 | cast | Zemus: oh. maybe you should have asked a question an hour ago ;) |
| 05:44.27 | Zemus | cast, I did, and you guys fixed it. :D |
| 05:44.34 | Azar | Zemus: when there is no knowledge through reading, nothing works. |
| 05:44.36 | Zemus | And it was indeed dependency hell. |
| 05:44.58 | Zemus | goych, I can fix most things myself, but there are always a bunch of initial issues to resolve. |
| 05:45.05 | stew | Zemus: my point? what's your point? if you are seeking help, you need to give us more information. This is a support channel, i'm trying to help you get support. |
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| 05:45.47 | Zemus | The resolution is poor, and I have to re run the monitor autodetect script, the sound doesn't work and a I have to mess with alsa, and there's no c handler, so I have to install one, and there's no xms parcer, and all the repositories are horrifically out of date. |
| 05:45.51 | Zemus | The list goes on forever. |
| 05:46.11 | cmacis | What's the name of the program that takes you through setting up xorg.conf question by question? |
| 05:46.19 | Azar | Zemus: every linux distro is in a way or another different, has different methods of administration the system.... only through learning from scratch you catch them |
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| 05:46.22 | Supaplex | humm apache2 won't stop. |
| 05:46.55 | bonez41 | anyone know how to find a location (owner) of a telephone number, NOT in US but in Costa Rica? I have a number, but want to know where I called. |
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| 05:47.17 | cast | cmacis: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg might do something, i can't remember. dpkg-reconfigure something from dpkg -k *xorg* |
| 05:47.24 | cast | s/-k/-l sorry |
| 05:47.27 | Azar | Zeelot: the repositories for the stable, might be not "the latest" but they are tested and stable. They "just work" |
| 05:48.04 | plus_M | Hi, I'm kind of a debian noob, but when I try to run apt-get update on my server I get this error W: GPG error: http://mirrors.service.softlayer.com etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY C1B28FB8EBBC0099 |
| 05:48.14 | Azar | sorry that was for Zemus |
| 05:48.24 | cast | plus_M: thats just a warning, see the W: |
| 05:48.30 | Azar | heh he is a typical ubuntu candidate |
| 05:48.31 | plus_M | Oh |
| 05:48.41 | bonez41 | plus_M: did you google that specific response? I used to get those with apt-get update and I looked and found the solution.... |
| 05:48.44 | plus_M | Well it doesn't do anything |
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| 05:48.53 | plus_M | I did google it |
| 05:48.54 | cast | plus_M: you can import the gpg key for that repo if you want, and add it to your keyring |
| 05:49.16 | bonez41 | plus_M: that's what I did...what cast said..... then the messages stopped |
| 05:49.37 | Azar | waaaa! omg, I can move my toes!! yepee |
| 05:50.14 | plus_M | That's weird though |
| 05:50.44 | plus_M | hmm |
| 05:50.59 | stew | plus_M: why is it wierd? |
| 05:51.10 | plus_M | Well I think softlayer is the server farm |
| 05:51.10 | Supaplex | looks like moprobe is tEh suck. it's still in top. ahhh "D" state. poor thing. 2248 root 13 -5 1608 616 508 D 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 /sbin/modprobe -q -- iso9660 |
| 05:51.18 | plus_M | That our server is on |
| 05:51.21 | metbsd | any apt package system developer here? |
| 05:51.33 | stew | plus_M: you should ask them for their public key, and see if you can establish a trust path to it |
| 05:51.37 | metbsd | i have question about apt-cacher |
| 05:51.46 | plus_M | Well I'm assuming they don't update their packages very often |
| 05:51.51 | plus_M | So I should switch to a different mirror I think |
| 05:51.51 | Azar | metbsd: Daniel Burrows is the aptitude package maintainer, dunno about apt.. |
| 05:51.53 | stew | plus_M: though since it is not on any of the normal public keyservers, you probably would have a hard time trusting that key, which is bad |
| 05:51.58 | metbsd | apt-cacher-cleanup.pl |
| 05:53.01 | metbsd | apt-cacher-cleanup.pl in this perl script, flock is trying to flock a file handle that's already closed |
| 05:53.01 | metbsd | hope it get fixed |
| 05:53.03 | Azar | apt was written by the APT team <apt@packages.debian.org> |
| 05:53.11 | stew | metbsd: did you check the bts? |
| 05:53.14 | stew | metbsd: /msg dpkg bts ; /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 05:53.29 | stew | metbsd: if nobody reports the bug, it is not likely to get fixed |
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| 05:55.51 | Azar | hehe fun: Man Sues Gateway Because He Can't Read EULA |
| 05:56.06 | Supaplex | Azar: your /. foo is tEh slow. :) |
| 05:56.21 | cmacis | ARGH, I hit enter instead of space |
| 05:57.01 | Azar | Supaplex: c'mon only 4 hours old |
| 05:57.21 | bonez41 | no body can read an EULA....hehe |
| 05:57.22 | compress | anyone ever decided to write an apt update notifier? |
| 05:57.34 | Supaplex | Azar: rss > Azar :P |
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| 05:58.01 | Azar | bonez41: when I first start reading it, that was it, I quit that application, and I never buy crap from Gateway , Dell or stuff.. |
| 05:59.07 | Azar | compress: not me but aptitude has cool tips in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README < fun read |
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| 05:59.08 | bonez41 | Azar: any more..I prefer building my own..... |
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| 05:59.14 | Azar | bonez41: same here |
| 05:59.16 | bonez41 | Azar: indeed much of it is crap |
| 05:59.37 | Azar | I rather have my own build, than buy all crapola they stuff on their machines |
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| 05:59.55 | cast | after all the annoying issues you can't predict, im thinking of just buying computers instead of putting them together from parts |
| 06:00.24 | bonez41 | Azar: although, I'd love to get a machine loaded with Winders, and take 'er back and demand a refund on the OS portion of the price I pay for the machine |
| 06:00.31 | bonez41 | that would be fun |
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| 06:00.44 | cmacis | Dell are starting to ship machines with ubuntu |
| 06:01.06 | streuner_ | !tell cmacis about topic |
| 06:01.06 | cmacis | Should be interesting to see the price diff |
| 06:01.12 | Azar | cast: first time is hard, but once you get it done and fixed, you will be happy. Those brands are building the PCs with crappy hardware, then add in crappy malware... very annoying to replace and get rid of |
| 06:02.24 | Azar | oh well |
| 06:02.25 | Guerin | i don't find the malware that hard |
| 06:02.33 | Guerin | in fact, I've never bothered to boot |
| 06:02.39 | Guerin | except once, to burn a debian cd |
| 06:02.42 | Azar | Guerin: I do not even want to see/deal with them |
| 06:02.50 | Azar | hehe |
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| 06:02.54 | Guerin | Azar: your wish is hereby granted |
| 06:03.06 | cast | things like pci cards only working in particular slots due to [icq?] conflicts and the like annoy me to no end :\ |
| 06:03.12 | Billy | hi there |
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| 06:03.19 | Guerin | cast: irq. Yep. Pain. |
| 06:04.13 | Azar | and thinking that most PCs sold in the stores have hardware and drivers configured for windows, then sometimes hard to get them to work in linux.. |
| 06:04.57 | Azar | while buying parts known to work and have linux drivers is a bless |
| 06:05.11 | cast | well, thats where gnu/linux PC makers come in handy |
| 06:06.08 | Guerin | no |
| 06:06.13 | Guerin | it's where google comes in easy |
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| 06:07.08 | boka | !beer subir |
| 06:07.16 | nvz | google! I'm still pissed off about the igoogle thing |
| 06:07.31 | boka | !more beer subir |
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| 06:07.46 | boka | !beer the_bull |
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| 06:08.28 | the_bull | what???? |
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| 06:08.43 | the_bull | boka, u here? |
| 06:08.52 | boka | the_bull: yeah |
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| 06:09.06 | metbsd | vmware package is so big |
| 06:09.24 | nvz | metbsd: more to please you with.. |
| 06:09.27 | nvz | heh |
| 06:09.33 | metbsd | it's almost like an os |
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| 06:09.44 | nvz | I didnt even know there was a vmware package |
| 06:09.52 | metbsd | on windows, hehe |
| 06:10.02 | nvz | !windows |
| 06:10.02 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 06:10.12 | boka | !beer nvz |
| 06:10.14 | nvz | !gates |
| 06:10.15 | dpkg | somebody said gates was In a world of free software, there are no fences or walls. So who needs Gates and Windows? |
| 06:10.16 | metbsd | haha |
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| 06:10.21 | Azar | metbsd: tell your bosses to stop using windows+debian, use just Debian Etch4.0 then no more need for windows. |
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| 06:10.29 | boka | lol |
| 06:10.45 | metbsd | nah it's my workstation, i prefer windows.. all servers are debian |
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| 06:10.58 | Azar | metbsd: the latest Debian stable: 4.0 aka Etch is way much better than windows, smaller, faster |
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| 06:11.18 | metbsd | but i have some software runs in windows only |
| 06:11.19 | cast | freeer [free-er?] |
| 06:11.25 | bonez41 | Azar: any debian, any linux distro beats winders...... |
| 06:11.26 | metbsd | that's a big problem |
| 06:11.36 | metbsd | i need that chat software to keep in touch with my girlfriends |
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| 06:11.40 | nvz | software not worth using in my opinion |
| 06:11.47 | the_bull | hey all, is there any deb package of new emacs? |
| 06:11.52 | stew | the_bull: in experimental |
| 06:11.54 | nvz | girlfriends not worth having.. |
| 06:12.05 | Azar | metbsd: Debian got lots of packages with the latest version, Open Office, that replace the windows office |
| 06:12.12 | compress | how do i clean my apt cache of pkgs downloaded? |
| 06:12.20 | metbsd | the one i want is named "QQ" |
| 06:12.27 | metbsd | linux don't have it |
| 06:12.35 | stew | compress: 'apt-get autoclean' to clean the outdated ones, 'apt-get clean' to clean all of them |
| 06:12.39 | cast | metbsd: which chat software? |
| 06:12.53 | Azar | google has a chat software, how is called? |
| 06:12.58 | metbsd | cast, QQ, a popular IM here in china |
| 06:13.06 | compress | is rubygems that resource intenseive ?? |
| 06:13.31 | cast | Azar: gtalk, it is jabber. |
| 06:13.37 | Azar | metbsd: wow ms built a messenger named QQ special for china? |
| 06:13.43 | compress | it eats up almost 75mb of memory running something like `gem install mongrel` |
| 06:14.10 | metbsd | not really ms built, but somehow there's no linux version of QQ |
| 06:14.13 | nvz | Azar: MS loves china didn't you know that? |
| 06:14.29 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
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| 06:14.29 | dpkg | <ribnitz> but windoze does it, and if windows does it it can't be that wrong :) |
| 06:14.35 | cast | replacing fam with gamin isn't going to reduce my mums GNOME experience percevably is it? |
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| 06:14.47 | nvz | tarzeau: imagine that |
| 06:14.59 | Azar | hi mister tarzeau! :) Debian users can't find a messenger application? |
| 06:15.42 | nvz | I've actually heard of QQ, and if I heard it before it had to have been in here |
| 06:15.54 | streuner_ | tarzeau: that quote is surely irnonically :-) |
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| 06:16.16 | nvz | metbsd: http://pidgin.im/pidgin/home/ |
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| 06:17.23 | Azar | sure there is: Kopete is an instant messenger program which can communicate with a variety of IM systems, such as Yahoo, ICQ, MSN, IRC and Jabber. |
| 06:17.40 | streuner_ | !info gaim |
| 06:17.45 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-11 (sid), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
| 06:17.52 | metbsd | but they all use qq here in china |
| 06:18.08 | metbsd | not many use yahoo, icq, irc, jabber, some use msn |
| 06:18.53 | Supaplex | in order to make a crashdump, do I need 1gb of swap if I have 1gb of ram? |
| 06:18.56 | Azar | :) ok so is popular |
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| 06:19.34 | Supaplex | oh nm. i have 2.2gb of swap, and only 130kb used. |
| 06:19.51 | metbsd | i wish there was linux qq, in that case i can come back to linux/*nix |
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| 06:20.08 | cast | Supaplex: thats a pretty good example of why you don't need a 2.2gb swap partition :) |
| 06:20.30 | Supaplex | I did a sysrq showTasks which is in syslog now, but I have 10+ processes dead in the D state now. |
| 06:20.38 | nvz | metbsd: hello.. pidgin, ffs |
| 06:21.17 | Supaplex | cast: keep laughing while I find a way to report some bugs :) |
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| 06:21.41 | Supaplex | 2.2gb isn't 1% of my disk anyway. *yawn* |
| 06:21.46 | cast | was thinking it would be nice if we could gather a whole wad of data on the max amount of swap used |
| 06:22.23 | stew | nvz: how does pidgin help him? it doesn't support the protocol he is after |
| 06:22.30 | cast | since so people don't follow the 2x physical ram rule, this is just my opinion that me having 4gb of swap would be silly |
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| 06:23.06 | nvz | stew: b.s. finch, gaim, and pidgin all support QQ |
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| 06:23.46 | stew | metbsd: have you checked if gaim or pidgin can connect you to qq ? |
| 06:23.57 | nvz | stew: I just opened gaim in etch and it has QQ in the protocol list, and pidgin's website which I posted says it supports it |
| 06:23.59 | metbsd | hate to tell you, but QQ in windows support qqlive(watch live tv), qqmusic(live music), public chat room, live internet harddrive |
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| 06:24.28 | Billy | where i can get the dpkg bot files? blootbot haven't documentation |
| 06:24.42 | metbsd | it's very good. that's why so many ppl use it |
| 06:24.45 | streuner_ | there is almost no docs about |
| 06:24.56 | stew | Billy: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 06:25.06 | streuner_ | Billy: try infobot.org instead |
| 06:25.20 | stew | Billy: or do you mean the sourcecode? |
| 06:25.24 | stew | Billy: blootbot.sf.net |
| 06:25.39 | streuner_ | or apt-get source bloodbot |
| 06:25.44 | Billy | not the source |
| 06:25.48 | nvz | metbsd: all in one apps are stupid which is why windows is the only os that does it. its insecure and unreliable.. notice our all-in-one messengers do all the messaging tasks.. you use other programs for the rest |
| 06:26.38 | metbsd | don't you know that there are called "green installation" in windows now? you don't need to install anything, just download , unzip it, and it runs |
| 06:26.57 | nvz | windows the explorer does everything, its you file browser, desktop, start menu, web browser, instant messenger, ftp client, configuration manager..etc and when it has a security flaw or crashes the whole system |
| 06:27.05 | streuner_ | Billy: factoids of dpkg you get what stew told you, docs aren't available for bloodbot |
| 06:27.28 | Billy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.39 | Billy | ups |
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| 06:28.32 | Billy | exactly, thanks ste,w streuner_ |
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| 06:28.44 | Billy | stew* |
| 06:29.03 | nvz | I don't care wtf windows has, its garbage. its like I had someone ask me if I knew what a podcast was, and if I had a favorite one.. blah, bah and blah. I dont need some big corporation to over integrate technologies I've been using for a decade and smear a restricted name on it for me to use it |
| 06:29.25 | nvz | I can put mp3s in an RSS feed too and I call it mp3s in and rss feed |
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| 06:29.47 | metbsd | okok so don't use it |
| 06:29.56 | Noborusan | I assume some ppl here know stuff in a data center,may i ask ? |
| 06:29.57 | metbsd | it's not a big deal |
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| 06:30.10 | nvz | I don't need an iTunes, ipod, imac, and ipodcast and ipieceofshitontheside to make that work |
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| 06:30.54 | ww | ipod works ok |
| 06:30.54 | nvz | which is why igoogle thing pisses me off cause it sounds like they isold-out I'm about sick of this iMarketing crap |
| 06:31.06 | stew | nvz: please keep it on topic |
| 06:31.28 | the_bull | Alam_Debian, r u from bangladesh? |
| 06:31.28 | Billy | some clue where i can search for blootbot setup in sf.net website i cant see nothing |
| 06:31.58 | stew | Billy: the setup is in the files directory |
| 06:32.25 | nvz | stew: right.. back to sharpening the stake and tending to the fire.. windows users should burn in #debian for being too ignorant to use software that has a different name and does things in a sane way |
| 06:32.33 | ww | just before etch became stable, i had a hard time getting gtkpod -- it vanished, and was the only thing that appeared to "sync" the music collection. rythmbox is better for playing, but doesn't sync (even if it is fine enough to copy stuff over) |
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| 06:32.50 | stew | nvz: stop |
| 06:33.04 | streuner_ | Billy: please ask in one channel, its NOT fair to ask the same question at the same time... |
| 06:33.13 | stew | fair? |
| 06:33.14 | ww | sems to be back tho in lenny |
| 06:33.22 | stew | ww: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 06:33.39 | streuner_ | (only you get the answers from stew...) :-) |
| 06:33.52 | streuner_ | then its ok :-) |
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| 06:35.59 | Billy | ok streuner_ |
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| 06:37.07 | ww | \me sighs |
| 06:37.15 | ww | erg |
| 06:37.43 | ww | thanks stew for the backport info |
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| 06:40.17 | LinkinTurk | selam |
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| 06:44.52 | stylus | i'm looking to setup a shell account for a friend. how would i go about creating the account and limiting its access to only the home dir? |
| 06:45.14 | ww | interesting: the 4.0r0 installer (in low mem mode) has a partitioning method selection dialog; here it says something about "LVM" -- i already have a good idea what *I* will choose, but the dialog never explains what "LVM" is; what is it? |
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| 06:46.03 | cast | ww: lvm is really cool. |
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| 06:46.45 | ww | cast : thanks. so what does this acronym, "LVM," mean? |
| 06:46.46 | fengor | lvm is the logical volume manager |
| 06:46.59 | ww | fengor.... thanks. |
| 06:47.04 | fengor | it allows you to shrink or grow partitions onthe fly iirc |
| 06:47.08 | cast | ww: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LVM2 check out the external links part |
| 06:47.09 | ww | cast: ..no help from you... :) |
| 06:47.20 | fengor | if you want more precise info try asking google |
| 06:47.32 | cast | and it also allows snapshots! which are handy. |
| 06:47.59 | fengor | oh, didnt know that cast. but snapshots are cool |
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| 06:48.34 | ww | i'll have to look it up... |
| 06:49.06 | ww | still, figured that it would be nicer that the installer at least gave a meaning to the acronym, rather than just handing it out... |
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| 06:49.42 | stew | ww: file a wishlist bug against the "debian-installer" psudo-package: /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 06:50.21 | ww | hadn't tried this installer... 3.1.0A dumped out on me; as did my slightly older 4.0 disk (damage...bleh). |
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| 06:52.03 | ww | as did the obsd 4.1 net install disk...cos it was having issues with the nic. |
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| 06:52.22 | ww | what a night! |
| 06:52.52 | HappyHobo | I want debian but I don't want a netinstall of stable I want sid |
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| 06:53.38 | cast | HappyHobo: debootstart with sid would be one way i suspect |
| 06:53.39 | fengor | HappyHobo: why do you want sid? |
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| 06:53.54 | fengor | cast he could always dist-upgrade |
| 06:54.01 | fengor | but i rather doubt he RELALY wants sid |
| 06:54.11 | Supaplex | !sys syndrome |
| 06:54.18 | HappyHobo | yes I do |
| 06:54.19 | Supaplex | er sns that is. |
| 06:54.26 | Supaplex | !sns syndrome |
| 06:54.26 | dpkg | i heard sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 06:54.32 | HappyHobo | I want gnome 2.18 |
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| 06:54.49 | cast | good call. |
| 06:54.52 | HappyHobo | I want kde 3.5.6 |
| 06:54.59 | cast | i want e17 |
| 06:54.59 | Supaplex | HappyHobo: what's bts? |
| 06:55.11 | HappyHobo | I'm currently using these packages |
| 06:55.16 | HappyHobo | bts? |
| 06:55.18 | fengor | HappyHobo: you DO realize that sid is only meant for developers and breaks often? |
| 06:55.30 | fengor | cast++ |
| 06:55.32 | Supaplex | HappyHobo: backports |
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| 06:55.45 | stylus | i'm looking to setup a shell account for a friend. how would i go about creating the account and limiting its access to only the home dir? |
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| 06:56.14 | Supaplex | stylus: chmod og= /home/* /root ? :) |
| 06:56.16 | cast | stylus: may i suggest vserver :) |
| 06:56.36 | HappyHobo | I use ubuntu feisty and debian unstable pieces right now. |
| 06:57.26 | Supaplex | HappyHobo: contrats. you have your very own distro now. cross breeder. :P |
| 06:57.35 | stylus | Supaplex; and what exactly does that do? :) |
| 06:57.42 | HappyHobo | thanks Supaplex |
| 06:57.44 | stylus | cast; noted |
| 06:57.55 | fengor | stylus: you can add users to your systems with the adduser command. about limiting to the homedir, you have to set the permissions right in your systems |
| 06:58.04 | Supaplex | stylus: only allows the owner of the directory access to it. |
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| 06:58.16 | fengor | buyt beare restrictive permissioning can sometimes break things if it is added at a late point |
| 06:58.33 | Billy | sorry guys, how i can login in a blootbot for firts time, i can see in the docs |
| 06:58.45 | Supaplex | stylus: eg, public_html directories need atleast o+x all the way in. |
| 06:58.52 | HappyHobo | so I would have to do a netinstall of sarge and dist-upgrade to sid |
| 06:59.03 | HappyHobo | can i dist-upgrade to scud? |
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| 06:59.19 | Supaplex | HappyHobo: there is no scud. |
| 06:59.28 | HappyHobo | i thought experimental was scud |
| 06:59.42 | Supaplex | experimental is a disaster waiting to happen. |
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| 06:59.55 | HappyHobo | some say disaster others say fun |
| 07:00.02 | birmaan | morning |
| 07:00.06 | HappyHobo | I happen to love reinstalling lol |
| 07:00.08 | Supaplex | if you think I'm joking, vmware* ate my config. |
| 07:00.53 | HappyHobo | i'm currently in a distribution that was debian based and now is ubuntu based. guess |
| 07:01.26 | Supaplex | your own. |
| 07:01.41 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:01.52 | HappyHobo | mepis |
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| 07:02.24 | Supaplex | we're not obligated to them, and they're not obligated to us. we go our own ways. mix them together, and weird stuff happens. |
| 07:02.40 | HappyHobo | yeppers Supaplex |
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| 07:03.16 | Supaplex | but if you're on debian, and using anything beyond stable, apt-listbugs is a must. |
| 07:03.34 | yang | Can anyone remember why running aptitude on woody fails to work? |
| 07:03.47 | zu22 | hi guys i finally upgraded from 2.4 kernel to 2.6.18 but one problem |
| 07:04.09 | zu22 | finished configing/packaging/installing my 2.6.18 debianized kernel (been working on it for past 5 hours) and when i finally ran lilo i got warnings about my devices: http://pastebin.ca/549792 how do i fix this? i have not yet rebooted my new kernel, if i reboot will lilo not work cause of this devfs issue? i thought kernel would automatically switch to udev (dynamic device naming) and i don't recall turning off devfs in my 'make menuconfig', how to fix i |
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| 07:04.13 | Supaplex | yang: it's in the release notes iirc |
| 07:04.38 | cast | zu22: load the splitlong.pl script if you're using irssi, the end of that msg got cut off |
| 07:04.48 | yang | Supaplex: oh, ok, I was searching for that, somehow I don't know if it's still available |
| 07:04.50 | zu22 | cast: doh i'm using epic4 |
| 07:05.47 | zu22 | cast: basically i just made a 2.6.18 kernel package, installed it and when i ran lilo it gave me warnings such as: Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hda' |
| 07:05.53 | cast | zu22: uh, hmm, switch to grub? |
| 07:06.00 | rainabba | Just did "apt-get install gnome-core". That won't alter my run-levels right? I still need to do startx when I want the gui? |
| 07:06.01 | zu22 | then it said The kernel was compiled without DEVFS, but the '/dev' directory structure plements the DEVFS filesystem. |
| 07:06.10 | zu22 | cast: i never used grub, i am comfortable with lilo |
| 07:06.30 | zu22 | devfs is the old way and udev is the new way right? |
| 07:06.55 | zu22 | i hontesly don't recall telling the config to turn off devfs support so why did it not include it in the kernel image? |
| 07:07.00 | cast | indeed |
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| 07:07.18 | zu22 | will my lilo not work if i boot the way it is right now? |
| 07:08.25 | yang | Supaplex: However aptitude (woody) is installed now and when I execute it, it just stays and uses 99% cpu and 2MB of memory |
| 07:08.30 | zu22 | i really need to resolve this, if anyone knows about lilo and 2.6.18 |
| 07:08.47 | cast | fraid i haven't got any clue, i haven't used lilo in many years |
| 07:09.18 | zu22 | cast: ok |
| 07:09.29 | zu22 | Supaplex: you have any clue about this? |
| 07:09.42 | zu22 | i am screwed if i dont get this resolved beforei reboot |
| 07:09.45 | Supaplex | I'm too tired to function. |
| 07:09.51 | zu22 | ahhh |
| 07:09.59 | zu22 | damn udev <cry> |
| 07:10.10 | Supaplex | HappyHobo: I updated this factoid for your benifit (and others) |
| 07:10.14 | Supaplex | !apt-listbugs |
| 07:10.14 | dpkg | apt-listbugs (apt-get install apt-listbugs) is available since atleast Sarge. When installed, it will fetch the list of critical <bts> bugs that pertain to any packages being installed. Modern releases allow you to pin a version to subvert any packages you discover to be too risky (see <pinning>). Older releases only allowed holding (see <hold>). |
| 07:10.18 | Guerin | zu22: just nuke it and install grub |
| 07:10.49 | Supaplex | nite folks =) good luck. |
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| 07:11.08 | tarzeau | Azar: for msn? there's amsn |
| 07:11.19 | HappyHobo | the last time I tried debian my mouuse wouldn't work |
| 07:11.20 | tarzeau | streuner_: i'm not sure ribnitz was serious |
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| 07:13.00 | mikes1 | Is there a Debian 4.0 repo for beryl? |
| 07:13.11 | mikes1 | mr noob here |
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| 07:13.31 | zu22 | Guerin: so grub can deal with it but lilo can't? |
| 07:13.41 | tmroland | hi |
| 07:13.44 | mikes1 | grub is best |
| 07:14.02 | roland_ | how do i install kde 3.5.7 in etch |
| 07:14.02 | yang | Can anyone remember why running aptitude on woody fails to work? |
| 07:14.21 | mikes1 | yang: try 4.0? |
| 07:14.40 | yang | mikes1: trying to upgrade from woody for that |
| 07:14.43 | mikes1 | dpkg beryl |
| 07:14.43 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 07:14.54 | tarzeau | mikes1: http://noob.istheshit.net/ |
| 07:15.01 | mikes1 | cheers |
| 07:15.03 | tarzeau | mikes1: mr pro says no |
| 07:15.09 | roland_ | hi |
| 07:15.18 | roland_ | how do i install kde 3.5.7 in etch |
| 07:15.28 | tarzeau | roland_: backport or not |
| 07:15.33 | Guerin | roland_: what version is in etch? |
| 07:15.37 | zu22 | my lilo is not that simple (4 kernels in there), anyone know quick way i can convert my lilo.conf to grub ? here it is: http://pastebin.ca/549822 |
| 07:15.39 | roland_ | kde 3.5.5 |
| 07:15.55 | tarzeau | !SNS |
| 07:15.56 | Guerin | roland_: /msg dpkg backport |
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| 07:16.13 | Guerin | roland_: be advised that backporting all of kde is a Full Time Job |
| 07:16.24 | tarzeau | !SNS syndrome |
| 07:16.24 | dpkg | i heard sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 07:16.34 | roland_ | lol |
| 07:16.39 | roland_ | ok so i stick to kde 3.5.5 |
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| 07:16.45 | roland_ | np |
| 07:16.55 | parsonsd | might be easier to shorten that to SNSS |
| 07:17.06 | h1deki | zu22, grub conf aint that complicated either, grub.conf.example has sample entries u can just copy and use with the values in lilo.conf |
| 07:17.38 | zu22 | i still don't understand why my 2.6.18 kernel has no support for devfs since i did NOT tell it remove it or anything to my knowledge, i was told /dev/hda[...] nomenclature would still work when i upgraded to 2.6 |
| 07:17.42 | h1deki | with all the comments stripped, my grub.conf for a simple single os boot is less than 10 lines |
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| 07:17.48 | mikes1 | roland_: there in no major changes untill 4.0 I read |
| 07:17.53 | roland_ | umm why doesnt mount list the sysfs filesystem ? |
| 07:17.56 | roland_ | mounted |
| 07:17.58 | h1deki | didnt kernel itself start dropping devfs support? |
| 07:18.41 | zu22 | h1deki: if i purge lilo and install grub i am scared if grub doesn't work then my whol[e system is gone |
| 07:19.04 | h1deki | well, if it has a cd drive, its not that too gone though |
| 07:19.15 | h1deki | unless the machine u're touching is other side of planet |
| 07:19.18 | zu22 | h1deki: can i see your conf file |
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| 07:19.25 | h1deki | yeah sure |
| 07:19.46 | parsonsd | zu22 : /dev/hda1 references still work. it has been a while, but i converted from 2.4 to 2.6 and recall a similar mesg that you've reported. i dont recall doing anything particuylarly interesting afterwards.... i have had some growing pains wrt USB devices |
| 07:19.56 | zu22 | h1deki: also i use lilo as my machine boot loader, that is i use to boot WIndows 98 too |
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| 07:20.19 | zu22 | parsonsd: ah so i may be able to boot using my existing lilo and it will still work? |
| 07:20.35 | h1deki | zu22, http://pastebin.ca/549829 |
| 07:21.00 | roland_ | can anyone tell me a linux or debian t-shirt shops with many shirt models and that ships worldwide? |
| 07:21.01 | roland_ | thanks |
| 07:21.13 | roland_ | linux apparel |
| 07:21.14 | Guerin | roland_: cafepress or similar |
| 07:21.18 | zu22 | h1deki: ah i see u using bzImage, i dont have that just /boot/vmlinuz* |
| 07:21.28 | zu22 | h1deki: and i am using initrd |
| 07:21.33 | rainabba | Trying to get x and Gnome up but after running startX, the splash window comes up and things halt. The last message I see is (**) RADEON(0): RADEONSaveScreen(2) |
| 07:21.40 | rainabba | Help? :) |
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| 07:21.51 | h1deki | zu22, i did this on a gentoo when i controll just about everything and without dpkg configure thing in the way, so u probably have to invoke grub command and install the grub boot loader on ur mbr |
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| 07:22.02 | h1deki | oh ok... |
| 07:22.17 | h1deki | zu22, have a look at grub.conf.sample |
| 07:22.34 | zu22 | h1deki: i haven't installed grub yet, if i do it will blow away lilo right? |
| 07:22.35 | h1deki | zu22, it has all kind of sample entries, under /boot/grub (i think thats where it is) |
| 07:22.48 | parsonsd | zu22 : er, no promises, and i should imagine that lilo wouldn't have any bearing on the issue. it merely needs to locate a partition, no? that said, the woody machine that i just updated to etch today that does use lilo has yet to be rebooted. for what its worth, the conversion i mentioned above already used grub |
| 07:22.52 | g00se | Having big trouble installing Etch amd64. SATA drives not recognised. Knoppix 5.0.1 seems fine. Could i install Etch thru K? |
| 07:22.54 | h1deki | installing grub package itself does not blow anything until u install grub boot loader on ur mbr |
| 07:23.07 | zu22 | parsonsd: ah |
| 07:23.25 | parsonsd | zu22 : heh. not much help, am i? :) |
| 07:23.34 | zu22 | it seems like a lot of hassle , i dont understand why devfs was abandoned heh |
| 07:23.39 | zu22 | parsonsd: lol :P |
| 07:23.51 | h1deki | but im not using debian on a day to day use right now, so apt might start configuring it and installing stuff as u apt-get it, so, just say 'stop doing stuff for me' |
| 07:24.03 | h1deki | zu22, coz udev is taking place |
| 07:24.21 | zu22 | i know i meant what was the rationale behind udev |
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| 07:26.03 | zu22 | this was my first time building a debian package, first time for kernel package too, i spent 3 hours making my .config and i looked at every single option so i'm pretty sure i didn't tell it to not support devfs, everything went perfect until this damn problem |
| 07:26.46 | parsonsd | zu22 : for what its worth, i would recommend sticking with lilo, since you're familiar with it. grub isn't difficult to get through, but seems like more hassle if you're not too sure about the boot up. |
| 07:27.01 | h1deki | zu22, btw, grub allows u to dynamically alter the grub boot loading sequence option when booting up, in case u make up a wrong grub.conf and reboot it |
| 07:27.19 | parsonsd | zu22 : cos a bug on the mbr would make life a little more difficult, too, ah? |
| 07:27.20 | cast | zu22: this is going to sound silly but...you have booted into the new kernel right? |
| 07:27.42 | HappyHobo | can ya'll read this? |
| 07:27.50 | zu22 | cast: no as i said i haven't yet booted the new kernel |
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| 07:27.59 | zu22 | cast: when i saw that warning it scared me a bit heh |
| 07:28.03 | parsonsd | zu22 : geez, 3 hours? You didn't start with a small project to try deb package building, did you? :) |
| 07:28.07 | parsonsd | happyhobo : no |
| 07:28.19 | zu22 | parsonsd: heh i figure i might as well start at the top lol |
| 07:28.40 | zu22 | i learned a lot though so i'm glad i did it |
| 07:28.40 | parsonsd | zu22 : why again did you not just reinstall? |
| 07:28.43 | zu22 | made some good notes too |
| 07:28.45 | parsonsd | yeesh. |
| 07:28.54 | parsonsd | zu22: well, there's something to it then |
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| 07:30.08 | zu22 | parsonsd: so now i am debating if i should just cross my fingers and boot and pray lilo works or go grub route which will prolly be more hours of research/configing ugh it's 3am and i started my kernel project at 9pm |
| 07:30.30 | zu22 | 3:30am even :D |
| 07:31.27 | parsonsd | zu22 : if the kernel doesn't work, whether it is grub or lilo, it won't work; if you sleep through something on setting up grub and it doesn't boot, you don't know anything about the kernel work. |
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| 07:31.56 | parsonsd | zu22 : yeh, i'm still up for an even more inane trial |
| 07:32.12 | zu22 | parsonsd: ah what u working on? |
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| 07:32.39 | parsonsd | zu22 : just getting SOMEthing installed on an aging laptop. |
| 07:33.10 | parsonsd | zu22 : obsd choked up on a bit of hardware; had problems with old debian installer disks. |
| 07:33.12 | zu22 | parsonsd: ah how aging? this laptop is circa 2000 |
| 07:33.45 | parsonsd | zu22 : ibm thinkpad 385xd.... 1998, more or less |
| 07:33.56 | zu22 | ah |
| 07:34.23 | zu22 | parsonsd: saw you had /dev/md1 in your grub conf, what type of disk is that? |
| 07:34.42 | parsonsd | zu22 : yesterday found one of the laptop drives laying around as being unusable., |
| 07:35.00 | parsonsd | zu22 : tho, now that i think about it.... the errors yesterday night were the same as this evening's. |
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| 07:35.38 | zu22 | ah |
| 07:36.26 | h1deki | zu22, md1 is a raid device |
| 07:36.40 | parsonsd | i don't have any md1's |
| 07:36.43 | parsonsd | hehe |
| 07:36.47 | h1deki | i had in my grub.conf, it just makes up a level 1 raid, but md1's 1 doesnt mean raid1, but the first md device |
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| 07:36.54 | h1deki | yes it was my conf |
| 07:38.26 | h1deki | i mean second md device.. |
| 07:38.26 | parsonsd | h1deki -- yeh. momentarily confused i, too. |
| 07:38.26 | arooni | is debian 4.0 (etch) stable enough for a production web enviornment? or should i go with 3.1 (sarge) ? |
| 07:38.26 | zu22 | h1deki: oh ok |
| 07:38.28 | g00se | What's best way to get printout of 2nd terminal when installing? |
| 07:38.28 | parsonsd | arooni : etch is stable; sarge is old-stable |
| 07:38.28 | h1deki | arooni, its easy... pick the version that says 'stable' :) |
| 07:38.28 | arooni | parsonsd: whats the difference between 4.0 etch & 3.1 sarge? |
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| 07:39.19 | cydork | arooni: 0.9? :) |
| 07:39.21 | arooni | is there a 30K foot overview |
| 07:39.23 | arooni | hahah |
| 07:39.24 | cydork | parsonsd: damn you!! |
| 07:39.26 | endra | hey, debian.yorku.ca is dead, how can I make it so when one source dies, it goes to the other? |
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| 07:39.46 | parsonsd | cydork : nya nya nya. ;) |
| 07:40.06 | cast | endra: put multple entries in sources.list |
| 07:40.07 | arooni | so .. sounds like the newst version of debian 4.0 (etch) is what you folks reccomend |
| 07:40.08 | streuner_ | endra: using your favorite editor? ;-) |
| 07:40.23 | endra | I see, where can I grab more sources? |
| 07:40.24 | parsonsd | arooni : yeh, etch is the better of the options. |
| 07:40.25 | cast | arooni: we always recommend stable. |
| 07:40.36 | endra | with my favorite search engine of course. |
| 07:40.37 | endra | thanks. |
| 07:40.51 | arooni | thanks folks! |
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| 07:42.18 | somian[0] | endra: netselect-apt |
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| 07:58.00 | jeanjean | hi all |
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| 07:58.43 | liable | hello! |
| 07:58.52 | jeanjean | hello liable |
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| 07:59.31 | liable | cast: why dont you surprise her and get it started |
| 07:59.44 | jeanjean | ;) liable |
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| 08:00.25 | cast | that would be a good way to secure the need to cook my own dinner tonight :\ |
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| 08:01.08 | samesame | can you install xen on debian etch? is it free? |
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| 08:01.39 | niravana | helloo, any reason why `apt-get install webmin` doesn't find anything? |
| 08:01.56 | somian[0] | It hates you. |
| 08:02.07 | samesame | maybe webmin is spelt another way? or your sources.lst isnt correct? |
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| 08:02.23 | niravana | webmin/webadmin no luck |
| 08:02.39 | cydork | !webmin |
| 08:02.39 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 08:02.48 | somian[0] | It's arbitrary cruelty, that's all. Bad karma maybe. |
| 08:02.50 | amine | hey |
| 08:02.54 | amine | how can i search and replace with nano? |
| 08:03.17 | cydork | amine: type ctrl+G :) |
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| 08:05.46 | samesame | nano is for the weaklings, real men use vim |
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| 08:06.22 | cydork | !start a editor war |
| 08:06.33 | cydork | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 08:06.33 | dpkg | no, stupid cydork |
| 08:06.47 | samesame | yeah cydork, stop being silly |
| 08:07.41 | cydork | samesame: ok. but you first! :P |
| 08:08.10 | samesame | is xen only available to redhat enterprise users? |
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| 08:08.24 | cast | samesame: no. |
| 08:08.25 | stew | samesame: no, apt-cache search xen |
| 08:08.27 | Zemus | <Zemus> I love you. |
| 08:08.28 | Zemus | <dpkg> I love you too, zemus. |
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| 08:08.37 | Zemus | SCORE OMG WTF HLLYEAH! |
| 08:08.37 | cast | samesame: xen is free software, it is available to all |
| 08:08.48 | stew | Zemus: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 08:09.15 | Zemus | Yes, but dpkg can answer it, you don't need to waste your time on me. ;) |
| 08:09.23 | cydork | samesame: check http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 08:09.25 | stew | Zemus: please /msg the bot then |
| 08:09.34 | samesame | instead of running lots of processes on one instance of debian etch, would it be more secure to split everything up into 2 virtual machines using xen? |
| 08:09.45 | cast | samesame: bingo. |
| 08:09.59 | samesame | have i hit the nail? |
| 08:10.02 | cast | samesame: you could use vserver as a lightweight alternative, not quite as secure i suspect |
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| 08:10.23 | bartden | hi, i have a labtec keyboard and i would like to get the extra keys working, any help on this subject ? |
| 08:10.26 | samesame | does xen use up a lot of memory and processing power? |
| 08:10.28 | Zemus | stew, that's what I'm doing... obviously... |
| 08:11.05 | cast | samesame: not really, but you do have overhead |
| 08:12.18 | samesame | if i ran xen on debian etch and created another virtual machine, could i run another distro on that or would it still have to be debian etch? |
| 08:12.53 | cast | samesame: you could run any OS, with some catches |
| 08:13.06 | samesame | i see |
| 08:13.23 | samesame | so xen is a bit like VMware ? |
| 08:13.34 | cast | xen is mildly like vmware ESX |
| 08:13.43 | cast | xen is not like GSX, or player |
| 08:13.54 | cast | at least that is my understanding of the situation |
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| 08:17.14 | samesame | Xen can be delivered to market in two ways: as a virtualization platform, such as XenSource, Inc.'s XenEnterprise product, or embedded within the host operating system. An example of the latter configuration is the inclusion of Xen in Novell's SUSE 10 Linux distribution, Red Hat's RHEL 5, Sun Microsystems' Solaris 10, or Debian's Etch release. |
| 08:17.29 | daya | can I chage the default permission value 777 for directory and 666 for file, |
| 08:17.40 | byon | daya: ytes |
| 08:17.50 | byon | yes* |
| 08:17.54 | daya | byon, how, |
| 08:17.59 | Zemus | Would anyone here like to help me get sound working on debian linux 4.0? |
| 08:18.06 | byon | chmod 777 /some/directory/ |
| 08:18.07 | daya | byon, I mean without chmod command, |
| 08:18.15 | stew | Zemus: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 08:18.21 | Zemus | Done. :/ |
| 08:18.23 | byon | :/ |
| 08:18.36 | stew | Zemus: does alsaconf succeed? |
| 08:18.39 | daya | byon, no I mean automatically when file is created it should have certain permission, like we set umask value |
| 08:18.45 | byon | oh |
| 08:18.53 | Zemus | stew, one moment... |
| 08:19.07 | byon | by default it should be 0644 if im not wrong |
| 08:19.07 | daya | but the problem is that , the defaul permission for directory is 777 , |
| 08:19.15 | byon | uh huh |
| 08:19.17 | daya | but for file is 666, |
| 08:19.39 | daya | I want to change 666 to 777 , did u get me? |
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| 08:20.01 | byon | setting the default file permissions for newly created files. |
| 08:20.04 | byon | yea? |
| 08:20.15 | daya | yes, |
| 08:20.34 | daya | but I want to give execute permission to any newly created file |
| 08:21.06 | techbee | daya: chmod +x filename |
| 08:21.36 | HappyHobo | how can list only files edited or added since February? |
| 08:21.41 | daya | techbee, yes I know , but it should be when I create any file, |
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| 08:21.56 | stew | HappyHobo: 'info find' |
| 08:22.04 | somian[0] | Anyone know if there's a site where you can report GPL violations? Like "Hey, I know of a company that is licensing there software with terms that clash with the GPL, check em out?" |
| 08:22.09 | stew | daya: i don't believe what you want is possible |
| 08:22.16 | somian[0] | s/there/their/ |
| 08:22.32 | stew | somian[0]: probably somewhere on fsf.org, ask #gnu |
| 08:23.02 | daya | steve, yes I am also thinking like that, may me kernel hack or what hey :) |
| 08:23.08 | stew | somian[0]: but the copyright holder would be a good person to report such a violation to |
| 08:23.09 | cast | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-violation.html |
| 08:23.19 | HappyHobo | stew 'info find' HUH? |
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| 08:23.37 | unixoide | hi all |
| 08:23.57 | stew | HappyHobo: type "info find" which will give you info on using the find command, specifically, go to "finding files" and "time" |
| 08:24.10 | stew | HappyHobo: or use "man find" if you prefer |
| 08:24.52 | HappyHobo | i was hoping for a nice easy type this cli command lol |
| 08:24.56 | somian[0] | thank-you cast |
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| 08:27.34 | Zemus | I've gone through the entire checklist for dkpg. |
| 08:27.49 | stew | HappyHobo: the easiest way is probably to use "touch" with the -d switch to create a file on midnight feb. 1, then use find -newer |
| 08:27.54 | Zemus | It still isn't working. |
| 08:27.59 | cast | i'm really impressed how easy the munin pkg was to use :) |
| 08:28.09 | stew | Zemus: you need to be more specific than "isn't working" |
| 08:28.38 | Zemus | Good point. No sound comes through the speakers, occosional and appropriately timed sound comes through the cpu speaker. |
| 08:28.48 | stew | Zemus: does alsaconf succeed |
| 08:28.49 | HappyHobo | Thanks because listing all on kfind is taking forever |
| 08:28.50 | Zemus | `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp`as root does work. alsaconf didn't accomplish anything. |
| 08:29.06 | cast | cpu speaker eh |
| 08:29.08 | stew | Zemus: did alsaconf detect your sound card? |
| 08:29.19 | Zemus | I believe so. It's an integrated sound chip from intel. |
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| 08:29.28 | Zemus | And yes, an intel sound chip was listed, so I would assume it did. :P |
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| 08:30.24 | stew | Zemus: show us the output of amixer, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 08:30.58 | Zemus | stew, you got it |
| 08:32.02 | amine | !ipw3945 |
| 08:32.03 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 08:32.20 | unixoide | I wanna stream jpg file from my disk to simulate video on UDP protocol, did u have any idea about daemon who can do that ! |
| 08:32.36 | Zemus | stew, http://pastebin.ca/549942 |
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| 08:32.50 | xored_ | I would like to connect through SSL to my SMTP Server which iam hosting. Iam using postfix there. Is there any hwoto for achieving that ? |
| 08:32.59 | unixoide | I'd tested VLC with video stream ... but I need to strem images |
| 08:33.50 | amine | !kp-mantra |
| 08:33.50 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 08:34.07 | amine | i dont need anything special in kernel settings for ipw3945 do i |
| 08:34.15 | stew | Zemus: what does "ls -l /dev/dsp" say? |
| 08:34.33 | Zemus | As root, or user? |
| 08:34.40 | stew | Zemus: doesn't matter |
| 08:34.45 | Zemus | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2007-06-08 03:25 /dev/dsp |
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| 08:34.50 | Zemus | stew, thank you for your help. :) |
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| 08:35.25 | stew | Zemus: it really seems like it should be working. your card is detected, you are able to change volume, the volume is up. are you sure your speakers are plugged into the right port? |
| 08:35.44 | Zemus | Positive. There is only one, and when I reboot into windows, it works perfectly (dual booted). |
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| 08:36.03 | Zemus | stew, it's always worked fine before, without any configuration at all. :P |
| 08:36.03 | Dackel | http://www.dackel-exil.com/ |
| 08:36.17 | cast | just to save anyone else the hassle...creating a .zip in windows xp with the builtin zipper dies at 4.5GB, |
| 08:36.37 | Zemus | cast, lmfao, thanks for the info. :P |
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| 08:36.55 | evangineer | re, what's up with checkinstall in debian etch? |
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| 08:37.00 | stew | Dackel: don't spam here |
| 08:37.02 | Zemus | ... |
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| 08:37.16 | stew | Zemus: i am not a staffer, just a channel op |
| 08:37.28 | stew | evangineer: it was removed due to bugs, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 08:37.38 | Zemus | stew, I see. |
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| 08:38.16 | hark | Zemus: can you aplay something? does lsof /dev/snd/* show anything using the card? |
| 08:38.43 | Zemus | yeti@horus:~$ lsof /dev/snd/* |
| 08:38.43 | Zemus | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev |
| 08:38.43 | Zemus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:39.11 | evangineer | stew: I figured as much but was looking for a solution to get it installed, thanks for the suggestion of a diy backport |
| 08:39.19 | flamebird | I got the 1 CD install KDE version but i dont see the default blue Debian wallpaper and boot screen....am I missing something? |
| 08:39.36 | Zemus | whoa |
| 08:39.44 | Zemus | ok, I tried aplay, it's like KHKHHKHKHKHKHKHHHH |
| 08:39.51 | Zemus | Um. Staticky. |
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| 08:40.28 | flamebird | anyone? |
| 08:41.00 | techbee | !anyone |
| 08:41.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 08:41.16 | Zemus | Oh for the love of god! |
| 08:41.26 | Zemus | He asked his question, why are you correcting him! |
| 08:41.28 | Zemus | FFS! |
| 08:41.33 | flamebird | !live |
| 08:41.33 | dpkg | Debian Live provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live |
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| 08:41.49 | flamebird | !livecd |
| 08:41.49 | dpkg | from memory, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 08:42.21 | hark | Zemus: yes, anything else with the lsof command? |
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| 08:42.45 | drindt | hey everyone, i had a problem with my 3.1 Sarge, the network can't resolve hostnames but i had updated the resolv.conf with a valid nameserver ip adress someone can get me a hint? |
| 08:42.48 | Zemus | No, that was all. |
| 08:42.52 | flamebird | I got the 1 CD install KDE version but i dont see the default blue Debian wallpaper and boot screen....am I missing something? |
| 08:43.06 | fengor | drindt: can you ping the nameserver? |
| 08:43.07 | hark | flamebird: what do you see instead? |
| 08:43.17 | drindt | fengor: yes i can |
| 08:43.33 | drindt | fengor: i can ping too servers in my subnet |
| 08:43.39 | flamebird | hark: default KDE stuff |
| 08:43.43 | flamebird | and no boot splash |
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| 08:43.58 | fengor | drindt: and what happens if you try dig @nameserverip sampledomain? |
| 08:44.28 | drindt | fengor: this i had tried the resolv it correctly but when i ping .. wait i paste an example |
| 08:44.43 | flamebird | ok can the live cd be installed? |
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| 08:45.53 | drindt | fengor: please take a look here: http://phpfi.com/240194 |
| 08:45.55 | Zemus | I'm positive it's connected to the correct sound port. There is only one, and when I reboot into windows, it works perfectly (dual booted). Any ideas at all? |
| 08:46.07 | hark | flamebird: there's no boot splash by default, don't know about that wallpaper |
| 08:46.20 | flamebird | hark: can I install the live cd? |
| 08:46.56 | fengor | drindt: can you ping 216.239.59.104? |
| 08:47.05 | Zemus | Uhh. |
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| 08:47.52 | drindt | fengor: same problem: http://phpfi.com/240195 |
| 08:48.00 | hark | Zemus: aplay a wav file ( aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Rear_Center.wav ). also check ls -l /dev/snd/* |
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| 08:48.29 | stew | Zemus: do you have more than one sound card? |
| 08:48.30 | fengor | drindt: the problem isnt resolving of thehostname. its probably your routing |
| 08:48.56 | flamebird | CAN I install the LIVE CD?! |
| 08:49.00 | drindt | fengor: ah the default gateway |
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| 08:49.11 | fengor | drindt: mostlikely |
| 08:49.14 | Zemus | stew, if I only have one sound port, then no, I do not have more than one sound card. At least, not in that computer. |
| 08:49.44 | Zemus | hark, omg, aplaying the wav file worked perfectly. |
| 08:49.57 | Zemus | It's just applications that aren't playing sound properly. And mp3's, I suppose. |
| 08:50.00 | drindt | fengor: iam not familar to debian network config by hand, normally in /etc/sysconfig are the files present for it, but not on this iam working on, can you get me a little guide? |
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| 08:50.27 | fengor | drindt: paste me the output of route -n |
| 08:50.49 | flamebird | I am getting gentoo... |
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| 08:50.57 | Zemus | hahahaha |
| 08:50.59 | fengor | and take a look at /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 08:51.09 | drindt | fengor: http://phpfi.com/240196 |
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| 08:51.43 | fengor | drindt: you have nodefault gateway set |
| 08:51.43 | Zemus | hark? |
| 08:51.47 | Zemus | hark, omg, aplaying the wav file worked perfectly. |
| 08:51.52 | Zemus | It's just applications that aren't playing sound properly. And mp3's, I suppose. |
| 08:51.55 | Zemus | Any ideas? |
| 08:52.04 | fengor | you can do that by hand with route add default gw ipadress |
| 08:52.19 | fengor | or via the gateway parameter in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:52.30 | stew | Zemus: do you know what driver you are using? |
| 08:52.34 | Zemus | stew, no idea. |
| 08:52.36 | drindt | fengor: yes iam such stupid that i forgot to check it, but please take another look here please: http://phpfi.com/240196, where i setup my gateway? |
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| 08:52.57 | stew | Zemus: what does " lspci -n | awk '/0401/{print $3}' " return? |
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| 08:53.20 | fengor | drindt: man interfaces |
| 08:53.27 | Simulator | http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9183/oshirixww0.jpg : ) |
| 08:53.32 | drindt | fengor: ok thanks |
| 08:53.41 | fengor | basically just add a line gateway ipadress under the correct eth entry |
| 08:53.43 | Zemus | stew, 8086:24d5 |
| 08:55.19 | stew | Zemus: does "lsmod | grep i810_audio" return a match? |
| 08:56.06 | drindt | fengor: its now pinging your ip - thanks a lot |
| 08:56.06 | stew | Zemus: and does "lsmod | grep snd-pcm-oss" return a match? |
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| 08:56.24 | fengor | its not my ip drindt, it belongs to google; p |
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| 08:56.38 | hark | Zemus: well, i don't know why you don't have any /dev/snd/* stuff |
| 08:56.45 | drindt | fengor: wowowo iam a google pinger :D |
| 08:57.22 | roxy_ | the vgrabbj man page says about a filename: |
| 08:57.22 | roxy_ | the whole may be formatted according to strf‐ |
| 08:57.22 | roxy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.31 | Zemus | lsmod | grep i810_audio returns nothing... |
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| 08:57.45 | Zemus | lsmod | grep snd-pcm-oss returns nothing... |
| 08:58.11 | roxy_ | I tried foo"%s" expecting it to be foo15 , but it didn't work. How should I format the filename ? |
| 08:58.23 | hark | snd_pcm_oss? |
| 08:58.49 | stew | Zemus: and does "lsmod | grep snd.pcm.oss" return a match? |
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| 08:59.14 | stew | hark: good catch |
| 08:59.16 | Zemus | Yes, may I pm it to you instead of hassling with pastebin? |
| 08:59.19 | stew | no |
| 08:59.25 | stew | i'm leaving |
| 08:59.34 | Zemus | nvm, I got it. |
| 08:59.39 | stew | Zemus: just say "yes, it returned a match" or "no" |
| 08:59.43 | Zemus | http://pastebin.ca/550015 |
| 08:59.50 | Zemus | Yes. It returned a match. |
| 09:00.01 | Zemus | Or at least, it printed something, whereas neither of the other two had. |
| 09:00.11 | stew | Zemus: does "groups" list "audio" as one of the groups? |
| 09:00.36 | Zemus | stew, you've completely lost me, I'm sorry. :( |
| 09:00.51 | stew | Zemus: type "groups" |
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| 09:00.57 | stew | Zemus: do you see "audio" listed? |
| 09:01.09 | xored_ | I would like to connect through SSL to my SMTP Server which iam hosting. Iam using postfix there. Is there any hwoto for achieving that ? |
| 09:01.28 | Zemus | stew, where, after I type "lsmod | grep snd.pcm.oss"? |
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| 09:01.34 | Zemus | No. |
| 09:02.08 | stew | Zemus: "adduser Yeti audio" (or whatever your username is), then log out and back in, and try again |
| 09:02.17 | Zemus | ok...... |
| 09:02.36 | Zemus | Already a member. :P |
| 09:02.47 | Zemus | Check out the pastebin yourself if you don't believe I'm not in there. :P |
| 09:02.51 | HappyHobo | stew: what I'm doing is backing everything up so I can switch to debian unstable |
| 09:03.08 | tmroland | hello from est europe |
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| 09:03.51 | Zemus | stew, still with me? |
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| 09:05.58 | tmroland | i have a problem with man, i can`t go back up |
| 09:06.24 | Zemus | tmroland, try page up, or man whatever --less |
| 09:06.25 | hark | install less ;) |
| 09:06.31 | streuner_ | Zemus: you have an audio problem, right? :-) |
| 09:06.39 | Zemus | streuner_, yep. |
| 09:06.51 | streuner_ | So 'sound' doesn't work at all? |
| 09:07.06 | streuner_ | Zemus: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 09:07.53 | Zemus | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:08.04 | streuner_ | ok, what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 09:08.08 | Zemus | strankan, aplay plays audio files, everything else is beeps from the cpu speaker. |
| 09:08.26 | Zemus | It's etch. |
| 09:08.26 | Zemus | Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 |
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| 09:08.32 | streuner_ | fine |
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| 09:08.47 | streuner_ | Zemus: are you using GNOME or KDE? |
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| 09:09.07 | chemaja | can you say "debian power user"? |
| 09:09.10 | Zemus | streuner_, gnome, though it shouldnt' matter. |
| 09:09.13 | hark | Zemus: you didn't say, what does ls -l /dev/snd/* say? |
| 09:09.20 | Zemus | chemaja, what do you mean/ |
| 09:09.49 | streuner_ | Zemus: GNOME uses ESD (sounddaemon) it could block ALSA or OSS then.. |
| 09:09.56 | Zemus | hark, see pm |
| 09:10.14 | Zemus | That's it. :) |
| 09:10.17 | Zemus | streuner_, I see. |
| 09:10.26 | hark | Zemus: ok, and fuser -v /dev/snd/* |
| 09:10.29 | streuner_ | Zemus: so you add your 'user' into audio group, did you disable ESD? |
| 09:10.47 | chemaja | Zemus, i'm just being stupid :) in the last couple of weeks i've been noticing exponential growth in my abilities with GNU/Linux ... this is after using since 2001, so i'm a little excited :) |
| 09:10.49 | drindt | someone has a suggestion to that? http://phpfi.com/240198 |
| 09:11.26 | Zemus | fuser -v /dev/snd/*? or f<user> -v /dev/snd/*? |
| 09:11.34 | Zemus | is user a variable, or do I type exactly that? |
| 09:11.40 | hark | !fuser |
| 09:11.40 | dpkg | it has been said that fuser is a handy command to 'identify processes using files or sockets' or if you find a port number that you want more info on, do: fuser -n tcp <portnum> ., or some people think it's is short for 'what the fuck is using that damn file!!!!!' |
| 09:11.59 | hark | Zemus: the former |
| 09:12.14 | Zemus | hark, ok |
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| 09:12.46 | chemaja | Zemus, for some time now i've been trying to discipline myself into doing things "the right way" |
| 09:12.47 | Zemus | ok, done |
| 09:13.03 | chemaja | Zemus, i think it's started to pay off |
| 09:13.15 | stylus | ok, so how do i add an ssh user account? |
| 09:13.22 | hark | Zemus: what does it say? :) |
| 09:13.26 | Zemus | hark, nothing. |
| 09:13.32 | fengor | stylus: adduser |
| 09:13.32 | Zemus | hark, it's as though I hadn't typed anything. |
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| 09:13.40 | SoulChild | Hey all |
| 09:13.41 | fengor | or useradd |
| 09:13.44 | Zemus | What's up, SoulChild. |
| 09:13.47 | streuner_ | stylus: the usual way you add ever other user normally... |
| 09:13.47 | fengor | whcihe ver was the more comfortable one |
| 09:13.50 | stylus | fengor; any specific options though? |
| 09:13.53 | fengor | i can never quite remember |
| 09:14.01 | streuner_ | stylus: s/ever/every/ |
| 09:14.04 | SoulChild | is there a way(programm) to chekc my whole system for conflicts, or errors ? |
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| 09:14.12 | fengor | no just add a normal user, he should be able to ssh into the box right way i believe |
| 09:14.56 | streuner_ | SoulChild: $editor /var/log/*.log |
| 09:15.07 | drindt | fengor: did you has a suggestion to my problem posted above? |
| 09:15.19 | hark | Zemus: hmm ok, might as well try the ESD thing then. run gstreamer-properties and choose alsa. |
| 09:15.27 | Zemus | halp. >.< k. |
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| 09:15.32 | stylus | alright. i've setup user "foo", now how can i restrict its access to that of only the home dir fengor / streuner_? |
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| 09:15.59 | fengor | drindt: try apt-setup |
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| 09:16.06 | fengor | seems ou catched a bad mirror or something |
| 09:16.20 | fengor | tmroland: /usr/share/doc |
| 09:16.22 | hark | Zemus: and in the gnome volume control, make sure the right device is selected (file->change device) |
| 09:16.23 | fengor | man man |
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| 09:16.31 | fengor | and http://tldp.org |
| 09:16.35 | Zemus | hark, it allows me to test it. There are two sections, default output plugin (autodetect), and default input plugin, (alsa). |
| 09:16.43 | Zemus | The test works fine on the first, nothing on the second. |
| 09:16.52 | drindt | fengor: sorry for these basic questions but debian ins't familar to me. how can i do that? |
| 09:17.10 | Zemus | aha |
| 09:17.10 | hark | Zemus: that's perfectly fine |
| 09:17.15 | Zemus | "enable software sound mixing" was unchecked. |
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| 09:17.35 | fengor | run apt-setup as root and follow the on screen instructions |
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| 09:17.39 | Zemus | I put it back. It's still got nothing. Perhaps I should restart the applications. |
| 09:17.40 | fengor | drindt: |
| 09:17.41 | tmroland | thanks fengor |
| 09:18.01 | fengor | tmroland: no problem. always glad if someone is willing to read. |
| 09:18.07 | drindt | fengor: i did not have such a command like apt-setup |
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| 09:18.38 | hark | it's no longer in etch and greater |
| 09:18.41 | Zemus | hark, I disabled the annoying cpu beep in the same system. |
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| 09:18.54 | hark | Zemus: where? |
| 09:19.02 | Zemus | in the sound controls, in gnome. |
| 09:19.12 | fengor | drindt: http://phpfi.com/240198 |
| 09:19.14 | streuner_ | stylus: yes, via chroot? |
| 09:19.18 | fengor | oops wrong buffer |
| 09:19.19 | fengor | one sec |
| 09:19.28 | hark | drindt: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 09:19.29 | fengor | drindt: http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de/sources.list.html |
| 09:19.31 | Zemus | ESD is now disabled again. |
| 09:19.38 | fengor | maybe that site can help you |
| 09:19.43 | hark | Zemus: ah ok :) |
| 09:19.44 | fengor | dont know for soure though |
| 09:20.02 | Zemus | hark, any more ideas? I've never had this problem before, ever. |
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| 09:20.12 | Asad2005 | what is the best file permission for the following samba folders: profiles / netlogon and user home |
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| 09:20.47 | drindt | fengor: thanks |
| 09:20.47 | stylus | streuner_, could you possibly give me an example command with the user foo? |
| 09:20.55 | streuner_ | stylus: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html |
| 09:21.02 | stylus | ty |
| 09:21.10 | fengor | also msg dpkg about sources.lsit like hark proposed |
| 09:21.29 | fengor | s/lsit/list/ |
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| 09:22.25 | hark | Zemus: /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload |
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| 09:23.08 | Zemus | hark, and then? |
| 09:23.20 | hark | Zemus: though by all indications sound does work |
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| 09:36.33 | evangineer | so I've checked backports.org and apt-get.org for backports of checkinstall, no dice. tried the simple sid backport and after sorting out all the build dependencies including changing libc6-dev (>=2.5) to 2.3 the darn thing still won't build. Anybody have a backport of checkinstall for etch handy? |
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| 09:39.50 | biopyte | hi. i want vi as default editor for mc on X. export EDITOR=vim in ~/.bashrc helps only on console (tty1), but in xterm mc still uses pico (or nano, whatever). how do i make mc in an xterm use vim? |
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| 09:40.06 | karsten | vigneswari: export VISUAL=$EDITOR |
| 09:40.20 | biopyte | in .bashrc? |
| 09:40.28 | karsten | vigneswari: ... and update-alternatives --config editor |
| 09:40.31 | karsten | biopyte: Sure. |
| 09:40.39 | biopyte | karsten: thank you |
| 09:40.47 | karsten | biopyte: ... modify to suit for other shells. |
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| 09:41.15 | karsten | vigneswari: That should cover most of the usual suspects for defaults. Check mc docs for how it determines what editor to invoke. |
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| 09:42.04 | biopyte | karsten: they say, set the EDITOR variable. |
| 09:42.30 | karsten | biopyte: invoke mc, find its PID, check /proc/<PID>/environ for EDITOR. |
| 09:42.55 | karsten | biopyte: tr -s '\000' '\n' </proc/<PID>/environ | grep EDIT |
| 09:43.55 | evangineer | stew, karsten any clues regarding the checkinstall thing? |
| 09:44.24 | karsten | evangineer: the butler, in the study, with the soup spoon. |
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| 09:45.07 | karsten | evangineer: stow |
| 09:45.14 | evangineer | ah |
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| 09:45.23 | evangineer | but does that produce a deb? |
| 09:45.24 | karsten | evangineer: Wnat release, what are you trying to do? |
| 09:45.40 | karsten | evangineer: No. |
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| 09:46.38 | evangineer | basically I want to create my own informal debs for etch, without going through the full packaging malarkey, karsten |
| 09:46.42 | karsten | evangineer: snapshots may have an old version of checkinstall, though you'll have the bugs to contend with. |
| 09:46.49 | karsten | !snapshots |
| 09:46.49 | dpkg | debian snapshot is probably http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 09:47.01 | evangineer | cheers, karsten |
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| 09:47.16 | karsten | evangineer: I'd either go the stow route, or do the full packaging malarkey. |
| 09:47.35 | xored_ | I would like to connect through SSL to my SMTP Server which iam hosting. Iam using postfix there. Is there any hwoto for achieving that ? |
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| 09:50.08 | karsten | xored_: connecting via what? SMTP, POP, IMAP?... |
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| 09:50.31 | petemc | didnt he say smtp ? |
| 09:50.55 | karsten | petemc: No, he said to his smtp server. |
| 09:51.00 | xored_ | karsten: SMTP |
| 09:51.17 | petemc | karsten: and how wouldnt one connect to a smtp server via anything or than smtp? |
| 09:51.33 | pytebio | karsten: this is biopyte. my monitor had a blackout (strange), so I had to reboot. thanks for the tips. |
| 09:52.01 | karsten | petemc: Feh. Details. |
| 09:52.03 | petemc | :) |
| 09:52.31 | karsten | petemc: ... so you're apparently the man of my dreams. |
| 09:52.38 | petemc | oh |
| 09:52.47 | karsten | ... or nightmares. |
| 09:52.47 | stray_ | i think what you may be looking for is TLS. maybe have a look at the links here: http://www.postfix.org/docs.html |
| 09:52.52 | petemc | perhaps that :0 |
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| 09:53.20 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 09:55.24 | gypsymauro | there is a way to deactivate network card phisically as on windows? I mean shut down NIC link led? |
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| 09:55.24 | karsten | xored_: I guess I'm a bit confused still. SMTP isn't SSL, it's open and unauthenticated, though there's some smtpauth stuff available now. Encrypting your side of the mail channel's mostly worthless though. Encrypt the payload if you want real protection (gnupg). |
| 09:55.25 | karsten | gypsymauro: ifconfig <interface> down |
| 09:55.25 | karsten | gypsymauro: Or unload the card driver. |
| 09:55.28 | xand | karsten: the point is usually that you want to authenticate, and not send your password in plaintext |
| 09:55.52 | karsten | xand: smtpauth is probably what you're looking for. |
| 09:56.00 | stray_ | gypsymauro: , there's a #windows channel.. but maybe try right clicking the squiggle icon in the systray and see if there's a disable button.. |
| 09:56.00 | xand | karsten: I'm not looking for it |
| 09:56.19 | karsten | xand: There's a number of challenge-response protocols which send hashes, rather than the token itself. |
| 09:56.20 | xand | karsten: you need auth in addition to tls or ssl |
| 09:56.23 | karsten | xand: Feh, details. |
| 09:56.36 | karsten | xand: I'm not looking for it either ;-) |
| 09:56.39 | xand | maybe, but that's not how most email clients work. |
| 09:56.40 | karsten | xored_: ^^ |
| 09:57.18 | xand | they have a username and password box plus ssl option, for ssl (as well as imap/pop3) |
| 09:57.47 | karsten | xored_: http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/ |
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| 10:02.39 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:02.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd119 is <john6000> directhex|work you can get lost you loser <john6000> calling me thinck |
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| 10:09.59 | xored_ | karsten: thank you |
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| 10:13.38 | igli | does anyone know if there's a deb games clan? |
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| 10:15.01 | tarzeau | igli: for what games? |
| 10:15.04 | igli | s'ok i don't wanna join fgs |
| 10:15.07 | igli | er hang on |
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| 10:15.20 | SoulChild | are there any good free maths programms ? |
| 10:15.21 | tarzeau | igli: there's kinda debian vs ubuntu players on www.sauerbraten.org |
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| 10:15.41 | igli | hmm do you think gentoo could log on? |
| 10:15.48 | tarzeau | igli: they have nicknames like "ubuntu-sucks", "ubuntuass" and the like |
| 10:15.52 | tarzeau | igli: sure |
| 10:16.05 | tarzeau | igli: join the server called GNUSTEP, im in team GNU. gtetrinet also has teams |
| 10:16.08 | igli | heh which clans? those names? |
| 10:16.11 | igli | ok |
| 10:16.25 | igli | cool we're clan moo ;) |
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| 10:16.42 | igli | as in larryTehCow ;) |
| 10:17.16 | tarzeau | igli: hehe funny. play tonight? |
| 10:17.27 | tarzeau | igli: join quakenet #sauerbraten |
| 10:17.30 | igli | heh dunno yet, haven't slept for 30 hours |
| 10:17.37 | tarzeau | igli: there's also teams in #bub-n-bros (.sf.net) on freenode |
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| 10:17.46 | tarzeau | igli: go sleep, in 6 hours we play |
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| 10:18.10 | igli | lol |
| 10:18.12 | Marenz | do you know a proxy server that reloads a page in a certain interval, to prevent sessiontimeouts/cookie time outs ? |
| 10:18.13 | tarzeau | igli: we can make up game clan webpages on wiki places... like gentoo vs ubuntu, and debian vs gentoo tournaments |
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| 10:18.19 | edit_lp2 | hello |
| 10:18.20 | igli | nice :) |
| 10:18.22 | tarzeau | igli: just for fun you know, and post it on /. |
| 10:18.32 | igli | edit_lp2 is the clan-master |
| 10:18.33 | edit_lp2 | sup guys |
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| 10:18.45 | Tapout | Does debian use grub or lilo? |
| 10:18.48 | tarzeau | igli: maybe also fedora and suse wants to play |
| 10:18.52 | igli | <tarzeau> igli: join quakenet #sauerbraten |
| 10:18.53 | Tapout | I don't see grub.conf so it must be lilo |
| 10:18.55 | tarzeau | Tapout: both. grub is default |
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| 10:19.03 | tarzeau | Tapout: /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 10:19.05 | Tapout | tarzeau, where is grub.conf? |
| 10:19.06 | Tapout | oh |
| 10:19.07 | tarzeau | Tapout: the only config not in /etc |
| 10:19.11 | tarzeau | Tapout: it never was grub.conf |
| 10:19.15 | tarzeau | Tapout: whoever made grub.conf raped grub |
| 10:19.26 | Tapout | tarzeau, other distro's use grub.conf |
| 10:19.31 | Tapout | at least RHEL |
| 10:19.39 | Tapout | thx tar |
| 10:19.41 | tarzeau | Tapout: they are morons |
| 10:21.35 | Tapout | I've noticed that apt-get update/dist-upgrade hasn't had updates in like a month... a freeze going on or perhaps they moved to another increment for updates |
| 10:21.48 | evangineer | karsten: thanks for the advice, I'm skipping both stow and proper packaging for now and trying easy-deb |
| 10:21.57 | karsten | evangineer: OK. |
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| 10:22.03 | tarzeau | Tapout: you have stable? |
| 10:22.04 | liable | Tapout: depends what you have installed, theres been a few |
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| 10:22.39 | Tapout | tarzeau, /etc/debian_version = 4.0 |
| 10:22.55 | woerneec | hi, should user.log be world-readable? |
| 10:23.11 | tarzeau | Tapout: what says lsb_release -c |
| 10:23.35 | tarzeau | woerneec: isn't here |
| 10:23.38 | tarzeau | woerneec: up to you |
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| 10:24.23 | woerneec | i just wondered because it looks like i can track back who was when at the computer |
| 10:24.35 | Tapout | tarzeau, weird don't have it |
| 10:24.38 | tarzeau | woerneec: any user can run w, who, last and lastlog. no? |
| 10:24.43 | tarzeau | woerneec: and finger |
| 10:24.43 | Tapout | my sources.list = etch main |
| 10:25.05 | Marenz | my sources.list got all |
| 10:25.09 | tarzeau | Tapout: apt-get install lsb-release |
| 10:25.19 | Marenz | (using preferences priority system) |
| 10:25.22 | tarzeau | my sources.list is bigger than yours |
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| 10:25.26 | Marenz | ^^ |
| 10:25.35 | Arafangion | What is the most efficient way to run linux from within windows? |
| 10:25.48 | Tapout | Codename: etch |
| 10:25.54 | Arafangion | Most efficient with respect to the fact I am using a laptop. |
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| 10:26.01 | Tapout | not a big deal anyways.. box is blazing and my local speeds are unbelievable |
| 10:26.02 | Marenz | best is, you format windows and put linux on and thgen run windows/wine in linux |
| 10:26.04 | byon | format windows entirely |
| 10:26.08 | byon | ;) |
| 10:26.09 | karsten | Arafangion: Nuke windows. Run Linux. |
| 10:26.14 | byon | burn windows |
| 10:26.22 | Arafangion | I intend to nuke windows next year - but for now, I still need it. :( |
| 10:26.30 | petemc | Arafangion: dual booting is trivial |
| 10:26.36 | Arafangion | petemc: But annoying. |
| 10:26.40 | petemc | why? |
| 10:26.40 | karsten | petemc: dual booting sucks. |
| 10:26.42 | Tapout | Arafangion, there is a 'linux emu' for windows.. i forget what it's called... cygwin? something like that |
| 10:26.44 | Marenz | Arafangion you could try virtualbox.org |
| 10:26.50 | tarzeau | Tapout: ugh |
| 10:26.52 | Marenz | yes cygwin |
| 10:26.55 | Marenz | and some others |
| 10:26.55 | Arafangion | petemc: Besides, when in windows, I always want to use the linux programs and tools. |
| 10:26.57 | Marenz | but uh |
| 10:27.04 | tarzeau | cygwin is not an emulator |
| 10:27.04 | liable | theres no vmware for windows? |
| 10:27.04 | Arafangion | Marenz: That's what I'm currently using. |
| 10:27.08 | tarzeau | it's buggy software |
| 10:27.17 | tarzeau | liable: yes there is. non-free |
| 10:27.19 | karsten | Arafangion: Best performance, likely Xen. Next best: VMWare or Parallels, if they've got a Windows product (I think they do). |
| 10:27.22 | liable | haha |
| 10:27.28 | tarzeau | qemu also exists |
| 10:27.35 | Arafangion | karsten: I considered Xen, but it doesn't seem to be suitable for laptops. |
| 10:27.35 | Marenz | kvm. |
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| 10:27.39 | petemc | xen windows performance can be less than stellar |
| 10:27.44 | karsten | Arafangion: Personaly I prefer Linux as the host and Windows as the guest if I have to do it that way. |
| 10:27.53 | Tapout | tarzeau, close enough :) |
| 10:27.57 | karsten | Arafangion: dual core w/ VT you should be cooking on gas. |
| 10:28.00 | tarzeau | karsten: no matter what. tv software don't work in vmware |
| 10:28.06 | tarzeau | karsten: and 3d games just suck in it |
| 10:28.17 | Tapout | tarzeau, not a straight emu .. but like has the linux apps you'd need for windows |
| 10:28.18 | karsten | tarzeau: my heart bleeds. |
| 10:28.30 | tarzeau | Tapout: you can have them natively too. most of them |
| 10:28.41 | tarzeau | karsten: want a pony? |
| 10:28.42 | Tapout | tarzeau, very true |
| 10:29.09 | Arafangion | karsten: VMware doesn't have hardware graphics acceleration, hence, I can't do DirectX dev at uni. |
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| 10:29.29 | karsten | Arafangion: You're in a compromise situation. Compromise. |
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| 10:29.42 | karsten | tarzeau: *PINK* pony to you. |
| 10:29.46 | Arafangion | karsten: I was hoping that UML had been ported to windows. :( |
| 10:29.54 | gypsymauro | there is a way to know which module is used for a nic? |
| 10:30.00 | karsten | Arafangion: colinux |
| 10:30.00 | metbsd | where can i get an old version of debian |
| 10:30.02 | petemc | they would have to change the name to UMW |
| 10:30.09 | Arafangion | karsten: Thanks for the name. |
| 10:30.19 | tarzeau | metbsd: archive.debian.org |
| 10:30.19 | edit_21 | ok so it was sujested earlyer that gentoo and debian get together for a clan war (ET, ut2k4, cod2 etc) what was resolved ? |
| 10:30.20 | karsten | Arafangion: Not the same thing, but similar. |
| 10:30.27 | tarzeau | karsten: why was your heart bleeding, rly? |
| 10:30.31 | karsten | edit_21: gentoo begged off. |
| 10:30.37 | Arafangion | karsten: What are the biggest differences? |
| 10:30.37 | tarzeau | gypsymauro: kinda use lspci/lsmod and modinfo ? |
| 10:30.40 | karsten | edit_21: They couldn't spare the compile cycles. |
| 10:30.52 | eisen | debian team should win, they have more time to practice ;-) |
| 10:30.58 | tarzeau | edit_21: i'll play |
| 10:30.59 | karsten | Arafangion: I don't believe I've run colinux. GIYF. |
| 10:31.08 | edit_21 | karsten, oh ok, like er, we should just get some blobs then right? |
| 10:31.11 | metbsd | where can i dl iso of old version of debian |
| 10:31.13 | tarzeau | edit_21: www.sauerbraten.org only for me, and maybe bub-n-bros.sf.net and gtetrinet |
| 10:31.13 | Arafangion | !GIYF |
| 10:31.14 | dpkg | i guess giyf is Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux |
| 10:31.26 | edit_21 | tarzeau, ok get a team together |
| 10:31.30 | tarzeau | edit_21: what about we make a channel for it? #distro-clan-tournament or something? |
| 10:31.39 | edit_21 | yes great idea! |
| 10:31.41 | petemc | metbsd: lots of mirrors still have isos for older versions of debian, google it |
| 10:31.44 | tarzeau | edit_21: how many ppl are you? |
| 10:31.52 | edit_21 | as many as needed |
| 10:32.02 | tarzeau | edit_21: ok join #distro-clan-tournament |
| 10:32.05 | edit_21 | tarzeau, can find over 20 |
| 10:32.07 | tarzeau | edit_21: game starts when we have enough players :) |
| 10:32.09 | edit_21 | ok |
| 10:32.16 | piti | Hi everyone, I have debian/lenny, my motherboard is a asrock aliveNF5. I want to use his onboard soundcard (HD audio - ALC888 audio codec). do I have to rebuild the kernel ? I have a asus ax300se graphic card , do I need o rebuild kernel to have 3d capabilities too ? |
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| 10:32.20 | tarzeau | edit_21: great, i'll try to find 20 too. i have a 100mbit server with up to 48 players |
| 10:32.27 | tarzeau | edit_21: is www.sauerbraten.org good ? |
| 10:32.29 | metbsd | i'm testing this: i want to install an old version of debian, use knoppix to upgrade its kernel and module, and then its userland, is that possible? |
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| 10:32.33 | tarzeau | edit_21: team cta? |
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| 10:32.39 | edit_21 | tarzeau, our servers been up ages so , ok |
| 10:32.48 | tarzeau | edit_21: whatever, if it don't lag :) |
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| 10:34.16 | endra | hey |
| 10:34.29 | endra | Im having an issue here. I can't seem to get ipw3945 working correctly on the new kernel I compiled. |
| 10:34.33 | endra | Can anyone assist me, please? |
| 10:34.54 | Arafangion | karsten: Looks like colinux and/or cygwin are the only real solutions for someone forced to use windows. Thanks. |
| 10:35.03 | tarzeau | Arafangion: never got colinux to work... |
| 10:35.08 | karsten | Arafangion: cygwin's OK. |
| 10:35.19 | karsten | Arafangion: It's a partial solution at best. |
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| 10:35.34 | nAgoHaK | hi all |
| 10:35.34 | Arafangion | karsten: Next year, windows is /gone/ :) (I plan to work full time - if I need to use windows, i'll use the work machines) |
| 10:35.46 | nAgoHaK | I have installed debian 4.0 with netinstall |
| 10:35.53 | nAgoHaK | and installed xfce |
| 10:36.06 | karsten | Arafangion: As I said, you're in a compromise situation, everythings going to have weak points. I find Linux is the better base and what I prefer to run. You're more than welcome to play with shit though. Linux + rdesktop for a couple of apps is how I operate these days. |
| 10:36.09 | nAgoHaK | but I have one problem .. i can not switch keyboard layouts |
| 10:36.24 | karsten | nAgoHaK: console or X? |
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| 10:36.33 | nAgoHaK | how to make xfce4 to switch them .... Xorg is configured |
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| 10:36.43 | nAgoHaK | karsten, X + xfce |
| 10:37.08 | Arafangion | nAgoHaK: xmodmap |
| 10:37.15 | karsten | nAgoHaK: Does xfce have a keyboard switcher? |
| 10:37.23 | karsten | nAgoHaK: ... or what Arafangion said. |
| 10:37.29 | Arafangion | nAgoHaK: For example, to use a us-101 keyboard: xmodmap /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.us-101 |
| 10:38.34 | nAgoHaK | where can I get a full list of debian repos ? |
| 10:38.46 | Arafangion | nAgoHaK: Impossible. |
| 10:38.51 | Arafangion | nAgoHaK: Many are private. |
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| 10:40.37 | nAgoHaK | Arafangion, then how to set up a repo .. one but to use it in full ? |
| 10:40.42 | nAgoHaK | Arafangion, for example I have only this |
| 10:40.44 | nAgoHaK | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 10:40.46 | nAgoHaK | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 10:40.48 | nAgoHaK | deb http://ftp.ru.debian.org/debian etch main contrib |
| 10:40.50 | nAgoHaK | what else should I add ? |
| 10:40.58 | nAgoHaK | Arafangion, what do you mean ? |
| 10:41.07 | Arafangion | nAgoHaK: That looks good. What is wrong with it? |
| 10:41.08 | petemc | nAgoHaK: you could add non-free , if you felt so inclined |
| 10:41.13 | endra | how can I get current bios revision? |
| 10:41.41 | karsten | endra: boot time BIOS splash or menu. |
| 10:41.46 | Arafangion | endra: Reboot, then hit F1, F2, F6, F7, ESC, TAB, and Delete in sequence, repeat until you are in the BIOS screen. |
| 10:41.49 | karsten | endra: Possibly dmidecode. |
| 10:42.29 | Arafangion | endra: Oh, forgot F9, some systems use that too. |
| 10:42.30 | karsten | endra: It'd be the first value. Eg: Version: 1IET58WW (2.01 ) on my Thinkpad. |
| 10:42.47 | karsten | Arafangion: to be fair don't most prompt for bios menu these days? |
| 10:42.54 | endra | .. i meant from command line |
| 10:42.54 | metbsd | what's good way to update userland gnu tool , from 3.0 to 4.0 |
| 10:42.56 | endra | ISn't it possible? |
| 10:42.58 | fireba11 | Arafangion: saw ctrl+f2 once |
| 10:43.02 | Arafangion | karsten: I find it easier to just hit all those keys. :) |
| 10:43.07 | Arafangion | fireba11: Oh, so have I! |
| 10:43.08 | karsten | endra: dmidecode, maybe. |
| 10:43.11 | karsten | Arafangion: Point. |
| 10:43.17 | nAgoHaK | Arafangion, but is it possible to get xfce working with Xorg prefences ? |
| 10:43.24 | petemc | metbsd: read the release notes for etch for info on how best to upgrade |
| 10:43.31 | Arafangion | nAgoHaK: What? |
| 10:43.36 | metbsd | i know how to upgrade |
| 10:43.44 | g00se | Do daily builds of Etch installer advance kernel version? |
| 10:43.55 | metbsd | petemc, im trying to make a knoppix that includes userland gnu tool to upgrade debian from 3.0 to 4.0 |
| 10:43.55 | endra | Yes karsten, it has EVERYTHING I need. Thank you. |
| 10:44.04 | karsten | Arafangion: Get Out! |
| 10:44.10 | petemc | metbsd: where does knoppix fit in? |
| 10:44.11 | karsten | endra: Schweet. |
| 10:44.17 | karsten | petemc: The CD drive. |
| 10:44.34 | petemc | zing! |
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| 10:44.41 | somian[0] | zonk! |
| 10:44.50 | fireba11 | Arafangion: true .. thsoe were really wired |
| 10:44.58 | petemc | metbsd: oh, you want to remaster knoppix? |
| 10:45.08 | nAgoHaK | Arafangion, this is a bit of my xorg.conf keyboard section |
| 10:45.08 | nAgoHaK | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.08 | nAgoHaK | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.08 | nAgoHaK | how to make xfce work sith it ? |
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| 10:45.09 | metbsd | petemc, knoppix will boot the existing system, access partition, renew kernel and modules, renew userland and gnu, and lilo, reboot, the system should have debian 4.0 with latest kernel and modules |
| 10:45.21 | petemc | metbsd: good luck with that |
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| 10:45.35 | metbsd | petemc, is that possible? |
| 10:45.40 | nAgoHaK | Arafangion, can you help me ? |
| 10:45.44 | petemc | metbsd: you know debian already has a great way of updating software? |
| 10:45.56 | karsten | petemc: It does?! |
| 10:45.57 | petemc | probably the best way |
| 10:45.58 | fireba11 | metbsd : question is why would i need that :-D |
| 10:45.58 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:45.59 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:46.09 | tarzeau | metbsd: seen that yet? |
| 10:46.10 | metbsd | petemc, you mean apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 10:46.19 | petemc | metbsd: aptitude, yes |
| 10:46.31 | metbsd | does 3. 0 have aptutiude? |
| 10:46.35 | petemc | it can do |
| 10:46.37 | somian[0] | please don't feed the trolls |
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| 10:46.43 | fengor | !tell metbsd about sarge->etch |
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| 10:46.57 | osrc_server_expe | Hi all |
| 10:47.00 | tarzeau | 3.0 is woody |
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| 10:47.07 | osrc_server_expe | Any body willing to help a newbie |
| 10:47.12 | fengor | oh right |
| 10:47.14 | karsten | petemc: metbsd's been hanging around the last day or so acting clueless and inflammetory by turns. |
| 10:47.20 | fengor | sarge was 3.1 ? |
| 10:47.21 | karsten | osrc_server_expe: Just ask. |
| 10:47.24 | petemc | karsten: its been longer than that |
| 10:47.26 | osrc_server_expe | I want to use apt-get to install softwares but it keeps insisting to use the cdrom |
| 10:47.27 | osrc_server_expe | ? |
| 10:47.27 | tarzeau | !newbie |
| 10:47.27 | dpkg | somebody said newbie was someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
| 10:47.41 | karsten | petemc: time flies when you're being trolled. |
| 10:47.42 | tarzeau | osrc_server_expe: you know http://noob.istheshit.net ? |
| 10:47.45 | petemc | :) |
| 10:47.58 | osrc_server_expe | tarzeau: checking it out thanx |
| 10:48.00 | tarzeau | fengor: yes |
| 10:48.04 | fengor | osrc_server_expe: remoe the cdrom liens from your sources .list and do aptitude update |
| 10:48.28 | metbsd | can debian 3.0 run kernel 2.6.19? |
| 10:48.36 | piti | I'm trying to compile a kernel (2.6.22), but I fail to boot, I have the message : kernel panic not syncing : VFS : Unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0.0) |
| 10:48.44 | osrc_server_expe | fengor: I did remove it but didnt update. let me try |
| 10:48.45 | karsten | !tell metbsd about search |
| 10:48.49 | fengor | metbsd: no the latest supported kernel is 2.6.18 and that is for etch not woody |
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| 10:49.04 | tarzeau | fengor: but etch can run the latest kernel, even sarge can do that |
| 10:49.08 | karsten | !kernel |
| 10:49.10 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.21.4, prepatch: 2.6.22-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.22-rc4-git2, 2.4: 2.4.34.5, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.22-rc4-mm2 |
| 10:49.20 | tarzeau | the latest 2.4 and 2.6 that is |
| 10:49.35 | endra | !ipw3945 |
| 10:49.35 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 10:49.49 | endra | I did that, damn card still isn't showing up in ifconfig -a |
| 10:49.50 | g00se | Do daily builds of Etch installer advance kernel version? |
| 10:50.20 | Arafangion | nAgoHaK: xfce has no choice but to listen to what Xorg gives it. |
| 10:50.39 | Arafangion | nAgoHaK: It's the abstraction principle, therefore, xfce is already using the xorg settings. |
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| 10:51.06 | Arafangion | karsten: What was the 'get out' in reference to? The obscure bioses, or the custom keyboard configurations? |
| 10:51.13 | nAgoHaK | Arafangion, Xorg is configured ... why it doeasn't switch ? |
| 10:51.47 | Arafangion | nAgoHaK: What do you mean "switch"? |
| 10:51.57 | nAgoHaK | the keyboard layout |
| 10:52.19 | nAgoHaK | I gave you a bit of my xorg.conf ... it is configured |
| 10:52.59 | metbsd | debian support owl server? |
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| 10:53.10 | Arafangion | nAgoHaK: I was not aware that xorg could switch like that. I always used commands to switch keyboard layouts. |
| 10:53.32 | nAgoHaK | =) |
| 10:53.45 | metbsd | yes it does |
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| 10:54.29 | Arafangion | nAgoHaK: Well, it's /possible/ that xfce has "stolen" the key sequence required in order to do the switch, assuming that you use a key sequence to do so. |
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| 10:54.47 | Arafangion | nAgoHaK: I'm not an xfce guru :( |
| 10:54.50 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 10:54.58 | Arafangion | nAgoHaK: And evidently, not an xorg one either :( |
| 10:56.07 | karsten | Arafangion: mouse-driven bios. |
| 10:56.51 | Arafangion | karsten: G'night :) |
| 10:57.02 | dnanar | im searching how to configure an RTC internet connection with debian (unstable) please. Actually i have a ADSL connection, but i would like to use the "assistance connection" that i have free with my isp (it's a french isp it's called "free"). I didn't find anything usefull with google. anyone may help me please ? |
| 10:57.24 | Arafangion | dnanar: "assistance connection"? |
| 10:57.48 | Arafangion | dnanar: If you are using debian unstable, you are competent enough to either configure it yourself, or die trying. |
| 10:57.52 | somian[0] | dnanar: there are debian help channels in french i think ... or ubuntu ones |
| 10:58.06 | dnanar | well it's "connection de secours" in french but i dont really know how to translate it =( |
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| 10:58.38 | somian[0] | See, that's a real problem when seeking to discuss technical matters, dnanar. ESP just isn't usually an option. |
| 10:58.39 | Arafangion | dnanar: Is this "connection de secours" a program that attempts to automatically configure your connection? If so, then you'll just have to do without. |
| 10:58.46 | dnanar | somian[0]: ok but i was thinking to try first on this channel =) |
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| 10:59.17 | Arafangion | dnanar: I suggest for reasons of support, that you give debian unstable a miss, and avoid it whenever possible. |
| 10:59.29 | osrc_server_expe | My source.list file only has deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 10:59.36 | Arafangion | dnanar: I recommend Debian Etch (Current stable), or quite possibly Debian Lenny. |
| 10:59.40 | osrc_server_expe | Wat ever package i want to install its not there? |
| 10:59.53 | piti | does anyone have a link to help me to set config of the kernel I want to compile ? |
| 11:00.06 | dnanar | Arafangion: no connection de secours just mean an alternate connection if main connection doesn't work |
| 11:01.03 | somian[0] | !kernel |
| 11:01.05 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.21.4, prepatch: 2.6.22-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.22-rc4-git2, 2.4: 2.4.34.5, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.22-rc4-mm2 |
| 11:01.19 | Arafangion | dnanar: I'd configure it separately. |
| 11:01.32 | somian[0] | Heh, not what I hoped for. There's certainly a HOWTO out there for compiling kernels the Debian way |
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| 11:01.49 | fengor | !tell osrc_server_expe about sources.list |
| 11:01.57 | somian[0] | Google is your friend, piti |
| 11:02.10 | fengor | osrc_server_expe: security only includes security updates |
| 11:02.12 | dnanar | Arafangion: of course that s what im asking for =) |
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| 11:02.28 | endra | OKAY I found the problem. |
| 11:02.48 | endra | I'm running kernel 2.6.21.3, and ipw3945 is actually ipw3945-modules-2.6.18.4-686. |
| 11:02.48 | Arafangion | dnanar: What was that? |
| 11:03.12 | endra | Which would explain why it is that if I do modprobe ipw3945, it doesn't find the module. |
| 11:03.22 | endra | Now, how can I alert my system that it's using a newer version of the kernel? |
| 11:03.30 | piti | somian[0]: I know that, but those I found wheren't detailed about how choosing the modules... |
| 11:03.38 | Arafangion | endra: That makes no sense. |
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| 11:03.49 | endra | Arafangion: I didn't think it would. |
| 11:03.50 | Arafangion | endra: Either you're running your current kernel - or the system is turned off. |
| 11:04.01 | fengor | endra you didnt install the kernel via the kernel mantra did you? |
| 11:04.01 | Arafangion | endra: To change to another kernel, you must reboot. |
| 11:04.14 | endra | Arafangion: yes, I am running the current kernel, but it is still grabbing packages with kernel 2.6.18.4 in them :-/ |
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| 11:04.25 | endra | Right this instant, I'm running 2.6.21.3. |
| 11:04.38 | endra | What I want is for the ipw3945 to install in 2.6.21.3 and not 2.6.18.4. |
| 11:04.44 | fengor | endra 2.6.21 isnt supported on debian stable atm if i remembe correctly |
| 11:04.46 | endra | ipw3945 is a module for intel pro wireless. |
| 11:04.58 | endra | fengor: I had to install latest version to get my sound card working. |
| 11:04.58 | fengor | you'll have to build the module by hand |
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| 11:05.07 | endra | Not a problem. That's all I needed to hear. |
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| 11:05.20 | fengor | and for installing new kernels |
| 11:05.33 | fengor | you know about make-kpkg? if not message dpkg about it |
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| 11:06.01 | endra | that was weird, ctrl-w closed my window. |
| 11:06.04 | piti | endra: may you explain me how you configure your kernel before making it ? |
| 11:06.24 | fengor | piti: ./configure |
| 11:06.37 | endra | piti: yes, I always do 'make oldconfig' to load the old configuration, then 'make menuconfig' |
| 11:06.42 | metbsd | so i'm back to this question about debian 4.0 /usr/share/apt-cacher/apt-cacher-cleanup.pl |
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| 11:07.08 | metbsd | obviously this apt programmer try to flock a file handler that's closed. |
| 11:07.21 | piti | endra: does this load options of the running kernel ? |
| 11:07.26 | metbsd | i do not want to see this warning/error in my log again |
| 11:07.31 | metbsd | how should i fix it? |
| 11:07.31 | yam | in a fiber connection between switches, if one direction works 10 times slower than the other... what can be the cause? this happened with no apparent changes... |
| 11:07.43 | metbsd | who is responsible for apt-cache? |
| 11:07.53 | metbsd | apt-cacher i mean |
| 11:08.08 | endra | No, it loads the last options of your current directory as far as I understand it. So, your last 'make menuconfig', now if you want to load your current kernel, find the .config file for it and load it through 'Load alternative configuration file' inside of 'make menuconfig' |
| 11:08.26 | simonrvn | !maint apt-cacher |
| 11:08.29 | dpkg | apt-cacher: Eduard Bloch <blade@debian.org> |
| 11:08.34 | simonrvn | metbsd: ^^^ |
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| 11:09.13 | metbsd | im going to email him, they keep bugging me cuz they get this warning full of system log |
| 11:09.19 | fengor | piti: if you have to ask chacnes are you know not enough to sucessfully configure and compile a kernel. if you still want to do it go ahead its agreat leraning experience, but dont do it on a critical system, isntead take a test box |
| 11:09.24 | fengor | so it wont matter if you break it |
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| 11:09.35 | petemc | metbsd: if theres a real problem, file a bug |
| 11:09.47 | awk | hi, is there some option like dpkg -i /path/to/binary and it will tell me what packge it belongs to ? |
| 11:09.53 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:10.15 | endra | !ipw1945-source |
| 11:10.19 | endra | whoops. |
| 11:10.23 | endra | !ipw3945-source |
| 11:10.23 | dpkg | i guess ipw3945-source is available in sid for 2.6.18 kernel |
| 11:10.29 | endra | good guess |
| 11:10.30 | endra | brb |
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| 11:11.31 | awk | petemc it still doen' tell me what package csh, etc belongs to, I believe its part of some or other base. but wondering if its shell specific or a base with multiple shells |
| 11:11.40 | petemc | awk: it should do |
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| 11:12.33 | roland_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:12.33 | roland_ | <roland_> it doesnt appear in network places |
| 11:12.40 | somian[0] | good,good advice fengor (to piti) |
| 11:12.40 | petemc | hmm, it doesnt, perhaps that means its part of the base |
| 11:12.59 | awk | petemc |
| 11:13.00 | awk | blackhole:~# dpkg -S /bin/csh |
| 11:13.00 | awk | dpkg: /bin/csh not found. |
| 11:13.13 | petemc | awk: yes, i noticed, see what i said after |
| 11:13.24 | somian[0] | roland_: you may have to give it some time, how long has the samba server been up? |
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| 11:13.46 | fengor | somian[0]: you can learn a lot about things by breaking them ;) (mostly how to not do it). but one has jsut to be sure that one is an environment where it doesnt maatter if things go haywire |
| 11:14.35 | roland_ | somian[0] : its been running now for about 5 6 minutes |
| 11:14.53 | roland_ | and winxp doesnt see anything |
| 11:15.06 | awk | ok tahnks |
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| 11:15.22 | somian[0] | That may not be long enough. Reportedly the way windows networking works, it can take 20 min or more for a new server to appear |
| 11:15.47 | roland_ | hmm weird |
| 11:16.34 | roland_ | when i shared directory trough ubuntu pc samba winxp saw it imediately |
| 11:16.44 | roland_ | almost |
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| 11:16.55 | roland_ | ok i'll awit |
| 11:16.56 | roland_ | wait |
| 11:17.03 | Arafangion | somian[0]: Only for the browse lists to update. |
| 11:17.15 | somian[0] | Yes, that's right, Arafangion |
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| 11:20.01 | endra | Is it bad if I copy a module from 2.6.18.3 to 2.6.21.3 ? |
| 11:20.17 | endra | I can't get ipw3945-source to compile correctly. |
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| 11:20.38 | fengor | endra: its like injecting yourself with unknown stuff |
| 11:20.43 | fengor | most likely it will break your system |
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| 11:20.50 | fengor | if you are lucky it willr efuse to load |
| 11:21.14 | endra | Okay. |
| 11:21.21 | endra | Well, can you assist me with getting ipw3945 to compile? |
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| 11:21.31 | fengor | nope, i cant |
| 11:21.50 | fengor | <-- runs standard kernel |
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| 11:22.24 | endra | I did m-a update/prepare, module-assistant auto-install ipw3945 and it gives me this error without reasoning: make[4]: *** [/usr/src/modules/ipw3945/ipw3945.o] Error 1 |
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| 11:23.31 | somian[0] | I've no knowledge of "module-assistant" so I'm no use endra |
| 11:24.22 | endra | module-assistant simply compiles it and loads it up for you. |
| 11:24.25 | somian[0] | However, I'd say you might find help 8somewhere*, maybe even, against all odds, irc. It doesn't seem like specialized knowledge about Debian will be needed to solve this. |
| 11:24.36 | simonrvn | endra: check the log, seems the build puked on something in the source |
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| 11:26.55 | endra | http://pastebin.ca/550262 |
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| 11:27.34 | endra | It wouldn't choke on a warning, but perhaps the error: macro INIT_WORK ? |
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| 11:28.08 | simonrvn | it would choke on error yes ;) |
| 11:28.56 | simonrvn | /usr/src/modules/ipw3945/ipw3945.c:15431: error: INIT_WORK undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 11:29.04 | simonrvn | there's the first problem... |
| 11:29.14 | simonrvn | /usr/src/modules/ipw3945/ipw3945.c:15432:64: error: macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2 |
| 11:29.17 | simonrvn | second problem |
| 11:29.29 | simonrvn | file a bug report |
| 11:29.47 | endra | Yup, okay. |
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| 11:30.11 | endra | Say I file a bug report today, will this be fixed in etch as well? |
| 11:30.12 | simonrvn | then fix it if you can, then send in a patch, replying to *your* bug number |
| 11:30.46 | endra | From my understanding, 'etch' now only gets security fixes.. so.. maybe it's already been fixed? |
| 11:30.54 | bolt | How can I tunnel samba to connect to a remote share through SSH without disabling my local samba server? That is, machine A is here and runs a samba server. Machine B is in an unsecure location and also runs a samba server. I want A to mount one of the shares of B through an SSH tunnel or similar without having to disable A's samba server. |
| 11:30.57 | simonrvn | maybe, that's uncertain. seems like a critical bug, so it will if the maintainer deems it such |
| 11:31.07 | simonrvn | rc bugs too |
| 11:31.14 | endra | rc? |
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| 11:32.06 | simonrvn | release critical; seems to me that if you can't build this driver package, that the fixes will get let in to etch, if the problems exists there also |
| 11:32.32 | roland_ | i cant see my debian samba server from windows, help |
| 11:32.45 | simonrvn | #samba |
| 11:32.59 | fengor | endra no it wont be fixed in etch because etch isnt broken |
| 11:33.00 | zirikili | Hi all.. when I change my sources.list from etch to lenny I have to dist-upgrade the system. what if I keep my sources.list with "testing" ? |
| 11:33.22 | endra | fengor: I did not say etch was broken? |
| 11:33.45 | fengor | 13:30 < endra> Say I file a bug report today, will this be fixed in etch as well? |
| 11:33.51 | fengor | implies that etch is broken |
| 11:34.04 | endra | Yes, will I be able to aptitude update and it will get the latest ipw3945-source package. |
| 11:34.08 | endra | So that I can compile it? |
| 11:34.20 | xored | are there any standard amavisd-new config files for the new amavisd ? |
| 11:34.26 | fengor | no endra because etch doesnt support 2.6.21 |
| 11:34.33 | fengor | please correct me if im wrong |
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| 11:34.41 | endra | fengor: this is ipw3945-source. Has nothing to do with the kernel I'm using.. |
| 11:34.47 | endra | Or does it? |
| 11:34.56 | simonrvn | zirikili: lenny is current testing... what's your question exactly? |
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| 11:36.50 | simonrvn | endra: well has to do with the kernel in that it'll use those headers to build against |
| 11:36.50 | alexweb | hi |
| 11:36.50 | alexweb | where is LC_MESSAGES is located? |
| 11:36.50 | endra | I see. |
| 11:36.50 | simonrvn | and will very likely be only of use with that kernel and version of gcc it was built with |
| 11:36.51 | zirikili | simonrvn: ok. if I keep my sources.list as "testing", should I have to dist-upgrade my box for each new release? |
| 11:36.51 | endra | Say I want to grab ipw3945 from 'testing' because it seems 'testing' has an updated version of ipw3945-source, how can I do that? |
| 11:36.51 | simonrvn | zirikili: no |
| 11:37.03 | simonrvn | zirikili: if you stay on testing, you'll just be getting stuff from testing (and maybe some breakage at each new release ;p) |
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| 11:37.56 | kensho | alexweb: in /etc/profile file |
| 11:38.13 | kensho | endra: apt-get install <name> -t testing |
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| 11:38.42 | endra | thank you |
| 11:38.49 | alexweb | kensho: no i think |
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| 11:39.14 | kensho | alexweb: yes, i know :-) |
| 11:39.15 | zirikili | simonrvn: so a dist-upgrade should be a better way? |
| 11:39.41 | alexweb | my problem is I using ru_RU.UTF8 locale but I don't see /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.UTF8 folder |
| 11:40.07 | simonrvn | zirikili: you don't have to bother with that. dist-upgrade is just that, used when you're changing dists i.e. versions (stable -> testing, etc.) |
| 11:40.28 | alexweb | kensho: so I want to know how it works at all |
| 11:41.05 | kensho | alexweb: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 11:41.17 | roland_ | i cant see my samba server (debian) from my lan in windows xp |
| 11:41.17 | simonrvn | alexweb: you need to generate them; dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 11:41.30 | simonrvn | roland_: #samba |
| 11:41.58 | roland_ | no one answers there |
| 11:42.27 | alexweb | kensho: I had no problem with locales, but today I'm trying to install DB2 and getting this error |
| 11:42.27 | alexweb | Required locale C is not available. |
| 11:42.27 | alexweb | Explanation: |
| 11:42.27 | alexweb | The required locale directory, /usr/lib/locale/LANG/LC_MESSAGES, |
| 11:42.27 | alexweb | does not exist, where LANG is the name of your current locale. |
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| 11:42.28 | kensho | roland_: check /etc/samba/smb.conf for errors and restart server /etc/init.d/samba restart |
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| 11:42.44 | endra | Guess what. |
| 11:42.46 | endra | Testing fixes it. |
| 11:42.51 | endra | Wootcakes and half. |
| 11:42.53 | simonrvn | hehe cool |
| 11:43.05 | endra | Okay well, one problem remains. |
| 11:43.13 | endra | My system wants to upgrade 308 packages to lenny |
| 11:43.14 | endra | :P |
| 11:43.21 | roland_ | kensho, /etc/samba/smb.conf is ok |
| 11:43.26 | simonrvn | what did you do? |
| 11:43.33 | endra | I said NO. |
| 11:43.55 | simonrvn | endra: this a workstation/desktop/lappy or a server? |
| 11:43.56 | endra | Oh wait, I'll just remove lenny from sources now that I've got ipw3945-source. |
| 11:44.01 | endra | This is a laptop. |
| 11:44.11 | simonrvn | easier to just fetch the .deb manually ;p |
| 11:44.25 | endra | How? |
| 11:44.38 | simonrvn | well, you could stay with lenny, but security fixes are slower (if they stopped doing testing-security) |
| 11:44.39 | kensho | roland_: server is restarted, and ports are not firewalled, and all boxes involved are wired? |
| 11:44.41 | endra | I've only been using debian for about a week. |
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| 11:44.49 | simonrvn | oh nm then |
| 11:44.54 | roland_ | kensho, yes |
| 11:44.57 | roland_ | and no firewall problems |
| 11:44.57 | roland_ | at all |
| 11:45.02 | simonrvn | endra: stick with stabe for now |
| 11:45.04 | roland_ | i used samba on this lan before |
| 11:45.06 | simonrvn | stable* |
| 11:45.20 | endra | Well im stuck with stable + latest kernel + testing ipw3945. |
| 11:45.25 | endra | Just to get this lovely laptop working. |
| 11:45.47 | simonrvn | shouldn't be a problem as long as there's no unfulfillable deps |
| 11:45.53 | endra | I had to edit the dsdt and tell it to think that I'm running windows instead of linux so alsa can work |
| 11:46.04 | kensho | roland_: has smb.conf been changed since then? |
| 11:46.19 | simonrvn | wth |
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| 11:47.03 | simonrvn | windows is funny that way... it's wide open for most things, but damned picky when to comes to domain controllers... |
| 11:47.04 | somian[0] | I think the trouble could very well be XP, not samba at all. |
| 11:47.23 | simonrvn | !kill windows |
| 11:47.24 | roland_ | kensho, used samba on ubuntu not debian |
| 11:47.31 | roland_ | and then only by clicking share folder |
| 11:47.43 | roland_ | i'll try setting up samba at home on my pcs |
| 11:47.44 | roland_ | nvm |
| 11:47.57 | somian[0] | nobel* ^^ |
| 11:48.19 | kensho | roland_: ahh. i'll be of little help with gui samba configuration... |
| 11:48.28 | endra | When can I expect Lenny to be the stable? Weeks? Months? Years? |
| 11:49.11 | simonrvn | usual reponse to that is : WIR, SIYH |
| 11:49.11 | kensho | endra: for most desktops (non-production systems) lenny is ok. |
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| 11:51.24 | simonrvn | kensho: yes but endra is new to debian. it's better for her/him to stick to stable for now |
| 11:51.26 | kensho | simonrvn: you right. (but lenny goes smooth on desktop systems, like debian always does :)) |
| 11:51.26 | kensho | you are* |
| 11:51.26 | simonrvn | endra: etch released a fair amount quicker than sarge did, and they want it do release faster than every 2-3 years |
| 11:51.27 | simonrvn | releases* |
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| 11:51.42 | endra | What kind of problems do you expect if you run testing? |
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| 11:51.55 | fengor | some minor breakage now and then endra |
| 11:52.02 | simonrvn | i was on potato for like 6-8 months before i tried out testing (which was woody then) |
| 11:52.03 | fengor | jsut be careful what packeges it wants to update |
| 11:52.04 | somian[0] | endra: many people expect minimal problems |
| 11:52.05 | artur | How to update gnome 2.14 to 2.18 ? |
| 11:52.24 | fengor | !tell artur about simple sid backport |
| 11:52.37 | simonrvn | gnome is not a simple backport... |
| 11:52.51 | fengor | hmm ok |
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| 11:53.01 | fengor | forget what dpkh just told you artur |
| 11:53.07 | artur | ;) |
| 11:53.17 | simonrvn | you aware how large and PITA it is to build yourself? |
| 11:53.21 | artur | old gnome in debian testing :F |
| 11:53.22 | endra | Okay, well, in the past 12 hours I've learned to compile a kernel, hack up dsdt, fix acpi problems, browse forums, and get ipw3945 working. I think I'll call it a night. |
| 11:53.38 | simonrvn | artur: it'll make it there eventually |
| 11:53.41 | endra | Thank you for all your help :-) |
| 11:53.54 | simonrvn | wow, impressive. quick learner |
| 11:53.57 | fengor | endra: sounds like a rewarding day/night. keep up the laerning curve :) |
| 11:54.04 | kensho | artur: this is the case, one doesn't want to run the latest software :) |
| 11:54.05 | qwerty999 | Hello guys and girls! :) On a Core 2 Duo processor, should i enable SMP and set the number of processors to 2? And should i recompile the kernel for this, or there exists a precompiled debian distibution for this? |
| 11:54.10 | kensho | endra: that's great! |
| 11:54.25 | artur | kensho, it is possible update gnome 2.14 to 2.18 ? |
| 11:54.33 | endra | Actually, it isn't that hard. What tutorials really need is to say this on kernel compiling: COMPILE YOUR FILESYSTEM AND HDD CHIPSET AS * NOT [M]. |
| 11:54.36 | endra | Then everything will be fine. |
| 11:54.37 | simonrvn | qwerty999: yes. there's debian -smp kernels if you have one there. if not, yes means a rebuild |
| 11:54.50 | endra | Because quite frankly, it took me 3 hours of compiling over and over to finally realize that it was the problem. |
| 11:55.13 | simonrvn | endra: they forget that not everyone knows to do that :/ |
| 11:55.20 | endra | I'll write up a tutorial on dsdt hacking because hundreds are having the same prbolems and there isn't a decent one out there, but that's all for another day. |
| 11:55.32 | kensho | artur: i don't know is there any deb binaries for gnome 2.18 somewhere. if yes, then it's possible. |
| 11:55.34 | simonrvn | endra: that would be nice of you |
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| 11:55.53 | fengor | endra: ah yes that was the pitfall i went for too onmy first compieles |
| 11:55.55 | fengor | -e |
| 11:56.13 | HostilePenguin | use ubuntu 7.04 it has gnome 2.18 |
| 11:56.15 | fengor | but i'm a bad writer so i never tried writing a good tutorial |
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| 11:56.30 | fengor | but if you need someone to proofred yours i'd be happy to hjelp out |
| 11:56.31 | qwerty999 | simonrvn: so Core 2 Duo runs best with SMP on 2 processors enabled? It is kind of confusing setting 2 processors and seeing only one hardware proc on the MB. :) |
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| 11:57.36 | simonrvn | well smp *is* for multiple procs |
| 11:58.08 | endra | dsdt is easier than they make it out to be.. it's a weird language called iasl (luckily, debian has a package for the compiler!) and all you do is rip it from /proc/acpi/dsdt, disassemble, reassemble, it will give you errors and warnings, fix them (shit like 'can't use X for a varialbe, rename it' and 'this method isn't returning anything' so you just add Return (Zero)). Then you search for 'Linux' and in that same method, you delete the 'If its |
| 11:58.08 | endra | linux, return this, if its windows 98, return that, blah blah' and force it to return windows. |
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| 11:58.30 | simonrvn | and those dual-core CPUs are 2 procs |
| 11:58.33 | aragno | is there a command to list broken packages? |
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| 11:58.47 | qwerty999 | simonrvn: ok, thank you! |
| 11:58.56 | simonrvn | aragno: dpkg and grep ;) |
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| 11:59.12 | HostilePenguin | what does this mean ** server can't find 4.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa: NXDOMAIN |
| 11:59.14 | seriouslycgi | would a crashed screensaver cause x to reset? my etch install keeps doing it |
| 11:59.25 | endra | .. then after making it return windows you put it in /usr/src/blah.h and in make menuconfig for your kernel you tell it to use custom dsdt and point to blah.h, after which you compile and reboot and your sound + acpi should both be working just fine. |
| 11:59.27 | simonrvn | there's some aptitude stuff you can do too, i think something like ~i~B or something in its search |
| 11:59.35 | aragno | simonrvn: thx. good to know where to start :) |
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| 11:59.42 | J_P | hi all |
| 11:59.46 | endra | ANYHOW, my laptop is core 2 duo, hwo can I make sure that it's utilizing both cores? |
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| 11:59.59 | HostilePenguin | thats nslookup |
| 12:00.00 | endra | Is there some sort of.. cpu testing software perhaps? |
| 12:00.14 | cast | endra: there is burnk7 an such |
| 12:00.16 | qwerty999 | simonrvn: and btw, do you recommend amd64 for this kind of procs? |
| 12:01.19 | kensho | HostilePenguin: it means you cannot find a domain name blahblah |
| 12:01.22 | simonrvn | qwerty999: well, there's issues with using 64 bit userspace... some stuff doesn't work at all. flash, some games, some apps. people either stick with 32 bit, or install a 32 bit chroot |
| 12:02.07 | simonrvn | endra: cat /proc/cpuinfo -- should see cpu0 and cpu1 or such, if not install -smp kernel |
| 12:02.12 | HostilePenguin | dig shows im using the name server but nslookup gives that? |
| 12:02.43 | HostilePenguin | never mind |
| 12:02.52 | qwerty999 | simonrvn: ok, so i'll stick with 32 bit too, because i don't think i need all that power provided by a 64 bit tech on my laptop. ;) thank you for your time! |
| 12:02.55 | simonrvn | nslookup is deprecated |
| 12:03.32 | endra | It detects 2 cores @ 1GHZ each ? |
| 12:03.37 | zirikili | Hi... I cant put my apps on systray anymore... what could be wrong? |
| 12:03.44 | HostilePenguin | name server really makes a difference |
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| 12:04.02 | endra | its all good, thank you again everybody. |
| 12:04.04 | endra | Off I go to sleep! |
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| 12:05.44 | piti | i'm still trying to compile a new kernel (2.6.22). At boot I have "VFS : Cannot open root device "SDA1" or unknown block (0.0)". I've noted that in /boot/grub/menu.lst, other entries (to 2.6.18-4 kernel) have a line like that : "initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-amd64" and isn't present for 2.6.22. this file (like initrd.img-2.6.22) doesn't exist. Does my problem comes from that ? where or how can I find or make this file ? |
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| 12:06.16 | karmatronic | piti: you probably have a sata disk |
| 12:06.39 | dfa001 | piti: you have to enable sata support in the kernel config, it is disabled by default |
| 12:06.40 | piti | karmatronic: you're right |
| 12:06.42 | liable | piti: you really need to do some homework before you try and make a kernel |
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| 12:07.01 | karmatronic | piti: so when you compile your kernel , you put the module chipset of the sata disk as a module |
| 12:07.02 | roland_ | pts is pseudoterminal right? eg user logged in remotely to pts/0 |
| 12:07.19 | liable | guys, he made a kernel without an initrd, it has fuck all to do with his drive |
| 12:07.29 | fengor | and as endra pointed out earlier today: remember to compile in your root fs and hdd chipset. it wont work too if those are jsut modules |
| 12:07.35 | karmatronic | piti: and since this driver is located on your disk , when your kernel initiates , he cant boot |
| 12:07.37 | dfa001 | piti: You also have to build an initramfs disk in order to boot a custom kernel in debian |
| 12:07.44 | liable | dfa001: wrong |
| 12:07.54 | karmatronic | piti: you have to build this initramfs |
| 12:07.55 | dfa001 | liable: most of the time yes |
| 12:07.59 | cast | skip initrd |
| 12:08.04 | karmatronic | piti: so you just have to |
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| 12:08.12 | liable | dfa001: no, you make the driver built in |
| 12:08.21 | karmatronic | piti: cd /lib/modules/2.6.22 |
| 12:08.31 | liable | if you are going to make a kernel for your own box, making an initrd is silly |
| 12:09.09 | krekon | I run chkrootkit and it found some problem in 2 files and 1 directory. How can I check the severity of the problem? Is there any way to clean this up? |
| 12:09.29 | xand | what files? |
| 12:09.32 | liable | krekon: yes, google will tell you. google false positives |
| 12:09.37 | karmatronic | piti: mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22 2.6.22 |
| 12:09.46 | karmatronic | piti: then edit grub |
| 12:09.57 | liable | just stop trying now |
| 12:10.32 | dfa001 | !tell piti about kernel compile |
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| 12:11.49 | HostilePenguin | why does my menu.lst look like this http://pastebin.ca/550352 |
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| 12:12.40 | piti | I'd like to put cipset and sata disk part not as modules, but I find difficult to know which modules are related to my hardware config (motherboard asrock aliveNF5) |
| 12:12.43 | bolt | anyone who can help me configure autofs to use shfs? my current line in /etc/auto.misc is "superserver -fstype=shfs bolt@superserver:/" but that just hangs when I try to access the mount. In my syslog, I get the banner of the ssh server. Help? |
| 12:12.49 | cast | HostilePenguin: what kind of answer are you looking for? |
| 12:13.06 | krekon | xand the files are in plain text mode but hidden . liable I've searched google but I didn't find something that can clean it. I found something for Windows without package for any Linux distro |
| 12:13.31 | liable | piti: then yous shouldnt be building a kernel, use the ones debian provides |
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| 12:14.07 | karmatronic | bolt: need to modprobe fuse |
| 12:14.09 | HostilePenguin | what is the automagic kernel list |
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| 12:14.23 | liable | read the grub docs |
| 12:14.36 | liable | even the section tells what it does |
| 12:14.37 | cast | HostilePenguin: exactly what the comments say |
| 12:15.12 | liable | HostilePenguin: it sets stuff for when update-grub is run |
| 12:15.13 | bolt | karmatronic: it's already loaded |
| 12:15.18 | qwerty999 | simonrvn: i suposed that smp kernels are precompiled (or at least preconfigured) and i tried to find them on google/debian.org. Haven't succeded. Could anyone please provide a hint? |
| 12:15.26 | karmatronic | piti: using default install kernel and lsmod , you can find out required modules |
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| 12:15.36 | HostilePenguin | menu.lst seems a mess thats all |
| 12:16.06 | liable | HostilePenguin: it looks perfectly sane to me |
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| 12:16.45 | karmatronic | bolt: hwhy dont yuo just use /etc/fstab |
| 12:16.51 | liable | HostilePenguin: ewww, wtf, paste the entire file |
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| 12:17.02 | xand | krekon: where are they and what are they called? are they executable? what do they contain? |
| 12:17.10 | basanta | is anyone using acer travelmate 2420? I need the net5211.inf |
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| 12:17.44 | liable | HostilePenguin: the one you pasted *is* a mess |
| 12:17.44 | bolt | karmatronic: because the network connection is not entirely stable, but i know when it's up and i will only try to access it when it's up, so having the filesystem mount itself when needed would be a good thing, methinks |
| 12:18.17 | liable | HostilePenguin: which isnt surprising using a *non* debian distro.. |
| 12:18.19 | karmatronic | bolt: ok |
| 12:18.26 | qwerty999 | i suposed that smp kernels are precompiled (or at least preconfigured) and i tried to find them on google/debian.org. Haven't succeded. Could anyone please provide a hint? |
| 12:18.36 | piti | karmatronic: modules listed by lsmod are those I need, or may are they useless ? |
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| 12:18.52 | HostilePenguin | this menu.lst is really simple why is that http://pastebin.ca/550363 |
| 12:19.01 | bolt | karmatronic: using fstab works perfectly, though, so the keyless login and such is operational. the only problem is my auto.misc line, i think |
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| 12:19.30 | fengor | qwerty999: check your install cd |
| 12:19.53 | fengor | or use apt-cache |
| 12:19.56 | qwerty999 | fengor: well, i don't have an install cd, i was willing to install debian through netinst. |
| 12:19.59 | bolt | karmatronic: my ssh server reports Accepted publickey for bolt from <myip> port 3062 ssh2 |
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| 12:20.11 | liable | HostilePenguin: because you have a bastard system by the looks. paste your entire menu list. hint, you arent using debian, you are using a bastardised version... |
| 12:20.19 | bolt | karmatronic: however, doing ls mountpoint/ just hangs |
| 12:20.38 | fengor | qwerty999: een for netisntall you have a install media havent you? |
| 12:20.46 | piti | liable: I want to compile my own kernel because my soundcard is not supported by this one |
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| 12:20.54 | fengor | normally you can select *-smp when you get asked what kidn of kernel to install |
| 12:20.59 | qiyong | !enlightenment |
| 12:20.59 | dpkg | e is probably from memory, e is a silly bulky, overdone wm, or still the best looking window manager around. and smaller than windowmaker in memory, or of course, smaller than windowmaker isn't saying much. see sawfish. see MDMA, or 2.7182818284590452353602874713526625, or kicks ass, or a very versatile window manager, or *utter* shite, or http://www.enlightenment.org/ |
| 12:21.08 | fengor | if not you can still install it afterwards via aptitude |
| 12:21.11 | HostilePenguin | that was entire menu.lst |
| 12:21.16 | qwerty999 | fengor: well yes. ok. thanks. ;) |
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| 12:21.25 | karmatronic | bolt: i might be wrong but i see a couple of web pages saying autofs doesnt work with ssh |
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| 12:21.43 | vchrizz | hi |
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| 12:23.11 | vchrizz | i made a backup from hda2 to a file with dd and compressed it via bzip2 -1 .. now i decrompressed it and did a dd back to hda2 but i cant mount hda2... i even cant mount the file did with dd.. any suggestions? |
| 12:23.39 | vchrizz | before compressing it i could mount the file with -o loop |
| 12:24.01 | vchrizz | does the compressing do any harm to a backup done with dd? |
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| 12:24.26 | somian[0] | dpkg seems utterly ambivalent about e |
| 12:24.26 | tarzeau | vchrizz: only if some bytes ever corrupt |
| 12:24.32 | cast | vchrizz: compressing is completely invertible |
| 12:24.45 | karmatronic | pity what s your sound card? |
| 12:24.52 | vchrizz | hum, i didnt notice any corruption |
| 12:24.56 | liable | hes gone |
| 12:25.06 | krekon | xand the 2 files have not execute permission but the link file (to a folder with name .system) has execute permission |
| 12:25.17 | tarzeau | vchrizz: anyways it's not an archive, so usually people want to be fast with file/backup restores |
| 12:25.26 | tarzeau | vchrizz: and compression/uncompression only makes it smaller |
| 12:25.43 | tarzeau | vchrizz: we have backups on a few other computers that people can access themselves via nfs /backup |
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| 12:26.57 | SamuraiDio | what is the debian file that corresponds to gentoo '/etc/conf.d/local.start'? |
| 12:26.58 | HostilePenguin | ireally dont have any idea what im doing with linux it just seems everything i try to do works so im not to mad |
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| 12:27.30 | krekon | xand the full path of the .system (link file) is this: /etc/alternatives/kaffe-system |
| 12:28.25 | piti | !!!! I'm on my first own compiled kernel! |
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| 12:28.25 | karmatronic | piti: cool |
| 12:28.25 | karmatronic | piti: with sound ? |
| 12:28.26 | vchrizz | tarzeau: well, i didnt know how to backup my full partition, so i thought a dd image would suffice .. it always worked.. now when i restore the image, it tells me, cant mount because it doesnt find an ext3 fs... now i want to just reinstall and get the configs from the image... |
| 12:28.48 | vchrizz | how can i read the dd image although mount cant find an ext3 fs? |
| 12:29.12 | tarzeau | vchrizz: dd of the full discs with partitions or just the partition? |
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| 12:29.16 | amine | hey |
| 12:29.21 | amine | !java |
| 12:29.21 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 12:29.22 | vchrizz | just the partition |
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| 12:29.26 | vchrizz | hda2 |
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| 12:29.35 | tarzeau | vchrizz: i don't know |
| 12:29.36 | amine | what was the command to control the command 'java' ? |
| 12:29.47 | amine | So I can set 'java' to respond as the sun jre or as git |
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| 12:30.56 | amine | any idea what im talking about? |
| 12:31.35 | piti | karmatronic: no sound. but I'm still happy to have done that. now I can try to manage sound |
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| 12:32.41 | piti | karmatronic: I just ran alsaconf, which found my hda audio |
| 12:32.41 | HostilePenguin | why not compiled in sound? |
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| 12:34.13 | SamuraiDio | hey, if i place a file .xinitrc under my $home, will it be loaded by default at Xsession start? |
| 12:34.27 | amine | update-alternatives is what i wanted. thx |
| 12:35.08 | SamuraiDio | huh? |
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| 12:35.46 | piti | <PROTECTED> |
