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| 00:00.24 | Guerin | zeeeee: perhaps file a `minor' bug against dpkg, saying apt and dpkg disagree over the status. |
| 00:00.36 | Guerin | zeeeee: but my advice to you is to ignore it |
| 00:00.46 | zeeeee | Guerin, ok, thanks |
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| 00:05.20 | apo_ | Wyzard: Thanks for the Linuxpowertop link. That seems interesting |
| 00:07.27 | Wyzard | apo_: What are you recompiling for? |
| 00:07.28 | Wyzard | apo_: The tickless thing is already enabled in sid's 2.6.21 |
| 00:07.28 | Wyzard | and not available at all in older kernels |
| 00:07.28 | apo_ | The Linux kernel has several known issues with too-frequent timers. We are maintaining a patch against the 2.6 kernel to fix or work around several of these issues. |
| 00:07.28 | apo_ | You can download the patch for the 2.6.21 kernel here; |
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| 00:07.57 | apo_ | And I don't have the standard sid kernel but my own |
| 00:08.01 | Wyzard | ah |
| 00:08.27 | apo_ | Been playing around a bit, got the time needed for compiling to 20-30 minutes |
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| 00:13.19 | GhostlyDeath | How do I set up ALSA for sound mixing with dmix? |
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| 00:15.02 | blem_deb | hey. is it normal for the screen resoultion to change if i boot my machine w/ the monitor off? |
| 00:15.17 | cusco | blem_deb: no |
| 00:15.36 | cusco | GhostlyDeath: check the wiki.debian.org |
| 00:15.38 | cusco | its in there |
| 00:15.44 | somian | ah, there's that smarmy bastard son a slug Guerin |
| 00:16.04 | apo_ | Heh. For a second I was wondering why my CPU's at 100%. Then I remembered that I'm compiling a kernel... |
| 00:16.22 | cusco | anybody knows a tool to make a checksum 32 bits (crc32) of a string? |
| 00:18.41 | apo_ | cusco: cksum? |
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| 00:19.54 | mx-zoom | hey... is it possible to access the boot console output log? |
| 00:20.00 | mx-zoom | if there is one |
| 00:20.01 | mx-zoom | I mean |
| 00:20.15 | amphi | cusco: cksfv ? |
| 00:20.27 | amphi | mx-zoom: dmesg ? |
| 00:20.46 | mx-zoom | nope |
| 00:20.53 | mx-zoom | I want to see the initial test |
| 00:20.56 | mx-zoom | the kernel one |
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| 00:23.59 | insaneinside | anyone here know of a good (widely-used) caching DNS server? |
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| 00:24.41 | simonrvn | insaneinside: pdns and bind9 |
| 00:25.05 | simonrvn | (both in debian) |
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| 00:27.06 | witless | i've been using gnump3d on sarge, but i'm doing a fresh etch installation and thinking of usign something else. any recommendations? |
| 00:28.31 | insaneinside | simonrvn: combination? |
| 00:29.41 | simonrvn | or |
| 00:29.45 | apo_ | witless: I guess gnump3d is an audio playing daemon? |
| 00:29.54 | apo_ | If yes, try mpd |
| 00:30.42 | simonrvn | mpd is decent |
| 00:31.09 | insaneinside | simonrvn: did you mean a combination of pdns and bind9? |
| 00:31.12 | simonrvn | the various clients need work; UI polishing, UI usability |
| 00:31.18 | simonrvn | NO |
| 00:31.21 | simonrvn | 'or' |
| 00:31.30 | apo_ | No |
| 00:31.32 | apo_ | XOR |
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| 00:32.07 | apo_ | simonrvn: I use ncmpc and like it |
| 00:32.40 | simonrvn | ncurses? |
| 00:32.43 | apo_ | Yup |
| 00:32.46 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 00:33.42 | simonrvn | must be a new one, i haven't seen that one |
| 00:33.42 | apo_ | http://tjugotre.org/Screenshot-tilda.png :) |
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| 00:34.31 | simonrvn | that's cool, looks decent |
| 00:34.50 | arooni | how come when i edit /etc/profile it works everywhere until i create my own root level directory (/u/apps/myapp) .... |
| 00:35.03 | arooni | i added a directory to path via /etc/profile.... but i can't access any files from that directory if i'm in /u/ |
| 00:35.08 | rcbarnes | I'm playing with the idea of using my computer as a jabber/email/web/blog server. I think I'm going with wordpress for the web/blog part, what would be a good email server to use? |
| 00:35.12 | apo_ | simonrvn: It is |
| 00:35.31 | johan__ | hey room |
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| 00:35.48 | simonrvn | !room |
| 00:35.48 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 00:37.08 | apo_ | rcbarnes: I use Postfix + Courier-POP3 |
| 00:37.27 | apo_ | http://www.howtoforge.org/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06 You can try this howto |
| 00:37.43 | apo_ | No jabber included in that one, though. |
| 00:38.25 | Guerin | isn't perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06 an oxymoron? |
| 00:38.34 | rcbarnes | apo_: cool. I note that there's an ubuntu in that url |
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| 00:39.08 | apo_ | rcbarnes: Ubuntu's not that different from Debian, should still work |
| 00:39.30 | rcbarnes | apo_: Funny, I can't see the difference between that page and about:blank. |
| 00:39.45 | rcbarnes | :-P |
| 00:39.50 | apo_ | Try reloading a bit. |
| 00:40.00 | apo_ | I also get that sometimes |
| 00:40.09 | rcbarnes | ah |
| 00:40.17 | Azar | and also, ubuntu has also a help irc channel if you want #ubuntu |
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| 00:41.00 | rcbarnes | Azar: nah, I'm using debian |
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| 00:41.25 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 00:41.25 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 00:41.37 | apo_ | I've used Debian instructions on Ubuntu before, and Ubuntu instructions on Debian. So far none of my PCs exploded |
| 00:41.38 | Azar | apo_: you don't need to feel awkward, just trying to help |
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| 00:41.49 | apo_ | I don't :P |
| 00:42.03 | Azar | apo_: if you want to give wrong instructions for Debian new users, use another channel |
| 00:42.30 | Azar | we here want to help new users learn the debian way, not the ubuntu way |
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| 00:42.37 | Supaplex | yea, enough with the debian disention :) |
| 00:42.43 | BLOODY_ANALSEX | what is latest release |
| 00:42.48 | Supaplex | BLOODY_ANALSEX: topic |
| 00:42.52 | apo_ | Eh. |
| 00:43.04 | apo_ | Bugger off. I'm just trying to help. |
| 00:43.12 | rahul | uh |
| 00:43.17 | Azar | rahul: nuts |
| 00:43.19 | rahul | apo_: you are a tool. |
| 00:43.26 | rahul | Azar: roasted |
| 00:43.32 | Azar | rahul: yummmmm |
| 00:43.39 | apo_ | A tool of God! You're all going to hell |
| 00:43.40 | apo_ | Mwahaha |
| 00:43.44 | Azar | hehe |
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| 00:43.54 | BLOODY_ANALSEX | Anal Blood |
| 00:43.55 | Azar | thats stoned in disguise |
| 00:44.01 | insaneinside | i do believe that BLOODY... needs a new name |
| 00:44.16 | BLOODY_ANALSEX | why are you offended by my name? most linux geeks |
| 00:44.17 | Supaplex | !troll BLOODY_ANALSEX |
| 00:44.21 | BLOODY_ANALSEX | are homosexual faggots, that like my name |
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| 00:44.39 | insaneinside | huh |
| 00:44.39 | Azar | eh he did his # |
| 00:44.41 | rcbarnes | Quick opinion poll: Is it trite and unprofessional to use a domine that consists of ones name? |
| 00:45.13 | Ronin | rcbarnes: not at all |
| 00:45.14 | apo_ | If it's a stupid name... ;) |
| 00:45.20 | apo_ | But no, not really |
| 00:45.44 | rcbarnes | Really? I look at that name, and feel... bland. |
| 00:45.55 | Ronin | then dont use it |
| 00:45.55 | Guerin | rcbarnes: maybe you have a bland name |
| 00:45.59 | Ronin | Guerin: heh |
| 00:46.05 | Guerin | i tell yo0u what IS lame- using a .name TLD |
| 00:46.24 | rcbarnes | yeah, .name is really lame |
| 00:46.36 | apo_ | rcbarnes: Meh, wait till we get .berlin |
| 00:46.42 | rcbarnes | as is anything but .com/.org/.net |
| 00:46.49 | apo_ | *That's* lame. |
| 00:46.57 | Guerin | a bland real name is way the hell better than a pretentious fake name |
| 00:47.09 | Guerin | rcbarnes: country TLDs are good. |
| 00:47.14 | apo_ | Hey! I like my nick. |
| 00:47.14 | insaneinside | people have enough trouble already with .com vs. .org |
| 00:47.16 | Guerin | as long as they're YOUR country |
| 00:47.32 | insaneinside | i tell people gnu.org, and they hear gnu.com |
| 00:47.41 | insaneinside | as if everyone's a capitalist |
| 00:47.48 | Guerin | rcbarnes:y you pay for domain hosting? |
| 00:47.50 | Ronin | insaneinside: they're not? |
| 00:47.55 | rcbarnes | Guerin: Not yet |
| 00:48.00 | rcbarnes | I'll probably use my box |
| 00:48.01 | Ronin | rcbarnes: sure you dont mean registrar? |
| 00:48.06 | Guerin | rcbarnes: granitecanyon FTW |
| 00:48.22 | rcbarnes | I might bundle my hosting and registration |
| 00:48.28 | rcbarnes | and that's what I'm considering |
| 00:48.35 | Guerin | i recommend gandi.net for both |
| 00:48.36 | rcbarnes | versus running everything from my box |
| 00:48.41 | insaneinside | Ronin: well, i'd like to be an anarchist of some sort. i doubt i have the motivation to, though. |
| 00:48.50 | Guerin | €12/year |
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| 00:49.09 | davidL | Wyzard, ping |
| 00:50.03 | Supaplex | dong! |
| 00:50.22 | apo_ | Ah. Kernel's done. |
| 00:50.23 | simonrvn | talk about a closet case, sheesh |
| 00:50.40 | Wyzard | davidL: pong |
| 00:50.42 | simonrvn | that ANAL_BLOOD_IM_STUPID |
| 00:50.59 | simonrvn | DING! |
| 00:51.00 | Supaplex | what else should he expect? |
| 00:51.07 | Supaplex | aling! |
| 00:51.17 | simonrvn | it's like he's broadcast pinging ... |
| 00:51.19 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 00:51.22 | apo_ | Wyzard: SYN |
| 00:52.01 | Wyzard | apo_: SYN,ACK |
| 00:52.02 | davidL | Wyzard, Can you recommend an SATA controller? I have yet to find a card that supports AHCI at a reasonable price. |
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| 00:52.10 | apo_ | Wyzard: SYN,ACK,ACK |
| 00:52.12 | apo_ | Yay! |
| 00:52.21 | apo_ | brb, gotta boot my new kernel |
| 00:52.27 | Wyzard | apo_: That should just be ACK, I think :-) |
| 00:53.10 | Wyzard | davidL: I think JMicron makes AHCI controllers these days... those are the only ones I know of that are available besides the ones in Intel's chipsets |
| 00:53.16 | apo_ | Wyzard: I think I read something with SYN/ACK/ACK on wikipedia. But I'm not sure, and wikipedia might just be wrong... |
| 00:53.20 | apo_ | Whatever. brb |
| 00:53.20 | Azar | Guerin: lookie here, mann.. for 15 million dollars only! http://www.planeta.com/planeta/99/0399chile.html |
| 00:53.35 | Wyzard | davidL: They're only available for PCI Express though... I've looked for plain PCI AHCI controller cards and didn't find any |
| 00:53.35 | Guerin | Azar: graah, it'll just depress me |
| 00:53.55 | Guerin | stupid countries without an overseas investment regulator |
| 00:54.00 | davidL | Wyzard, I thought JMicron only made chipsets. PCI-Express is preffered. |
| 00:54.35 | Azar | I wish I had a small home on a small piece of dirt there |
| 00:54.46 | GhostlyDeath | How do you see what program is using what device? |
| 00:54.55 | Guerin | GhostlyDeath: fuser/lsof |
| 00:55.00 | GhostlyDeath | thanks |
| 00:55.32 | Wyzard | davidL: My motherboard has a built-in JMicron 20363 (in addition to the Intel chipset's own SATA support) which is AHCI-capable, and I think those are available in standalone PCIe card form too |
| 00:55.47 | Alarm | after trying to install some packages, i got pretty many times this message: Unpacking replacement openoffice.org-math ...perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" . |
| 00:56.17 | simonrvn | Alarm: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:56.24 | Alarm | will the installation go on successfuly or not ? by reconfiguring locales would be that thing fixed ? |
| 00:56.37 | simonrvn | yes. yes. |
| 00:56.41 | Alarm | okie :) |
| 00:56.42 | apo_ | ... |
| 00:56.43 | Alarm | thanks :) |
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| 00:56.46 | davidL | Wyzard, I've only been able to find one JMicron card which used the JMicron 363 chipset and was manufactured by Syba. |
| 00:56.49 | apo_ | Why can't it find my hdd |
| 00:56.51 | apo_ | Grr. |
| 00:57.02 | Wyzard | davidL: That's probably the same chip |
| 00:57.11 | Alarm | ehm why LC_ALL stands for what ? |
| 00:57.34 | Wyzard | davidL: but yeah, JMicron doesn't seem to actually manufacture and market controller cards; they just make the chips which other companies (like Syba) put onto cards or motherboards and sell |
| 00:57.34 | simonrvn | sets all the LC_* 's |
| 00:57.36 | apo_ | "hda: setting up cryptographic volume sda7_crypt (based on /dev/sda7) | cryptsetup: Source device /dev/sda7 not found" |
| 00:57.58 | Alarm | nah , dont want them all |
| 00:58.05 | simonrvn | apo_: er... hda != sda maybe? ;) |
| 00:58.48 | Wyzard | davidL: There's a chance you might need to do a firmware update on the card, too -- when I first bought this motherboard about half a year ago, the JMicron controller didn't have an AHCI option, but a BIOS update (in January, I think) added it |
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| 00:59.23 | Wyzard | davidL: Of course in my case that's a setting in the system BIOS, but the changelog mentioned that the update included a new version of the JMicron firmware |
| 00:59.24 | apo_ | simonrvn: True |
| 00:59.33 | apo_ | But it seems to be looking for sda |
| 00:59.38 | apo_ | Which is correct... |
| 00:59.42 | apo_ | >_< |
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| 01:00.19 | apo_ | Is there some way to stop the booting process and try doing stuff on my own? |
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| 01:00.49 | davidL | Wyzard, Hopefully I won't need to buy an SATA controller though. I ran memtest for 11 hours with 0 errors and I'm running SeaTools on the third drive right now--no problems with the first two. |
| 01:01.53 | Wyzard | davidL: hmm... if it's not the drives and it's not RAM, then maybe overheating |
| 01:02.00 | Wyzard | davidL: That's all I can think of |
| 01:02.25 | sebas_ | which is the best supported network card vendor? |
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| 01:03.16 | Wyzard | 3Com, Intel, and Realtek are popular and well-supported types of network cards |
| 01:03.22 | Wyzard | (though there are others too) |
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| 01:03.48 | davidL | Wyzard, I'm leaning towards blaming my BIOS. NVIDIA has had SATA problems in the past. |
| 01:03.53 | simonrvn | apo_: you could boot with single -b (or just -b) |
| 01:03.59 | Wyzard | davidL: ah, didn't know that |
| 01:04.17 | apo_ | It's not the kernel |
| 01:04.20 | simonrvn | apo_: you'll have to mount stuff yourself, and such. or boot with init=/bin/bash |
| 01:04.20 | sebas_ | Wyzard: I'm building an imaginary server for high school with 1100 usd and I will be using Debian |
| 01:04.30 | simonrvn | yeh, i know |
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| 01:04.40 | apo_ | Ah... |
| 01:04.42 | apo_ | I'll try |
| 01:05.01 | apo_ | Right after doing something with this evil not-the-debian-way Ubuntu CD |
| 01:05.05 | simonrvn | hehe peterS |
| 01:05.41 | simonrvn | eh, i've used it as a rescue CD... before i set up my initrd to include jfs_* stuff |
| 01:05.52 | apo_ | shoop da whoop |
| 01:05.53 | simonrvn | have LVM / |
| 01:06.00 | simonrvn | hence the initrd ... |
| 01:06.02 | davidL | Wyzard, Does NCQ imply AHCI compatibility? |
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| 01:16.12 | Wyzard | davidL: No, NCQ isn't specific to AHCI |
| 01:16.58 | Wyzard | davidL: It's just that not all SATA drivers support NCQ, and the Linux AHCI driver does |
| 01:17.57 | apo_ | Meh... |
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| 01:19.00 | Wyzard | AHCI is the best-supported SATA interface in Linux because it's an open spec so the developers had good documentation to work with |
| 01:19.28 | simonrvn | so AHCI based card == good Linux compat |
| 01:19.32 | Wyzard | yep |
| 01:19.36 | Wyzard | NCQ and hotplug |
| 01:20.04 | Wyzard | I've personally unplugged a SATA DVD burner, plugged in a hard drive, partitioned and formatted the hard drive, copied a bunch of files to it, then unplugged it and plugged in a different DVD burner, and burned a disc |
| 01:20.07 | Wyzard | all without shutting down |
| 01:20.35 | davidL | I can't find an AHCI based card beside the JMB 360 one by Syba. |
| 01:20.45 | davidL | And that has only 1 SATA port. |
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| 01:21.28 | Wyzard | I think there are 1-port and 2-port variants of that controller, and that's all |
| 01:21.43 | apo_ | *fiddles around with fstab and crypttab* |
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| 01:22.17 | davidL | Syba makes another card which uses a Silicon Image chipset and those drivers are well supported from what I've read. |
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| 01:22.31 | simonrvn | Wyzard: hotplug is nice ;) |
| 01:22.40 | Wyzard | Those are supported, but they're not AHCI |
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| 01:22.58 | Wyzard | According to http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#ahci there are apparently some nVidia chipsets which support AHCI though |
| 01:23.10 | davidL | Yeah, I read that |
| 01:23.39 | davidL | I'm guessing those are the ones Uli supported since nvidia acquired them. |
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| 01:24.10 | quitte | does someone happen to know where i can find the lzma patch for squashfs 3.1 or 3.0? |
| 01:24.31 | simonrvn | s,that,the, |
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| 01:25.12 | apo_ | Silly Ubuntu. If it tells me to install cryptsetup, it should at least enable those repos by default |
| 01:25.51 | simonrvn | funky: hey dude. LTNS. how you been? |
| 01:25.58 | simonrvn | funky: sorry, meant for furrywolf |
| 01:25.59 | f00li5h | say someone was, hypothetically to axe all the permissions on /var, what would be the best course to fix them? i hear mtree is the *BSD answer, any thoughts? |
| 01:26.25 | furrywolf | eh, life sucks. |
| 01:26.34 | simonrvn | :( |
| 01:27.23 | apo_ | f00li5h: The best solution would be to make the fool who did it copy them by hand from another system. That way it wouldn't happen again ;) |
| 01:28.00 | f00li5h | apo_: yeah, the man page for cp (as i read it) said that it defaulted to preserving permission/ownership |
| 01:28.09 | f00li5h | i have no other debian system -_- |
| 01:28.12 | furrywolf | and still no one to snuggle. :( |
| 01:28.33 | apo_ | furrywolf: Sorry, I don't hug furries :P |
| 01:28.39 | apo_ | f00li5h: Sorry, no idea :/ |
| 01:28.41 | simonrvn | furrywolf: that does suck |
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| 01:28.56 | Rehto | ok then |
| 01:28.57 | furrywolf | apo_: bah, I'm cute and fluffy... :P |
| 01:29.30 | simonrvn | furrywolf: *long distance hug* i'm not female, but i'm nice :P |
| 01:30.12 | Rehto | hey I want to dl latest debian stable so is the debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso the one to dl... yeah I just want to dl one cd and I prefer kde :) |
| 01:30.17 | Rehto | <-- major n00b |
| 01:30.19 | furrywolf | heh, thankies. :) |
| 01:31.20 | zophy_ | i refuse to use |
| 01:32.06 | furrywolf | zophy_: good idea. using drugs is bad. |
| 01:32.56 | zophy_ | using drugs makes you less able to understand linux |
| 01:33.08 | Rehto | zophy_: really :) |
| 01:33.36 | furrywolf | but more able to understand pink floyd, the beatles, and american political decisions. |
| 01:34.08 | apo_ | furrywolf: Not only American... |
| 01:35.50 | rahul | I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints, and then I smoke two more! |
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| 01:40.16 | apo_ | Hm |
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| 01:41.01 | g00se | It is possible to use grub over ssh is it not? |
| 01:41.29 | jelly-home | rahul: does that explain your linux prowess? |
| 01:41.55 | apo_ | When cryptsetup tries to decrypt the rootpartition during the booting process, where does it get the information for it from? |
| 01:42.01 | apo_ | Like, what device it is. |
| 01:43.48 | rahul | jelly-home: yes! |
| 01:44.52 | n3kl | How can I convert ISO-8859-1 into UTF-8? |
| 01:45.02 | simonrvn | it explains his stonedness |
| 01:45.07 | jelly-home | rahul: the Ramans would smoke three. |
| 01:45.12 | rahul | heh |
| 01:45.12 | simonrvn | n3kl: recode; iconv |
| 01:45.18 | rahul | I am lacking of stoned |
| 01:45.20 | rahul | that bastage |
| 01:45.26 | jelly-home | dudeman? |
| 01:45.26 | rahul | eliza wants him to come to the bbq |
| 01:45.28 | rahul | yes |
| 01:45.36 | rahul | nyle |
| 01:45.55 | jelly-home | oh, I didn't know his actual name ;-) |
| 01:46.25 | n3kl | simonrvn: ah, thanks |
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| 01:47.10 | jelly-home | rahul: still I like people more when they're !stoned :-) |
| 01:47.21 | simonrvn | !stoned |
| 01:47.27 | apo_ | Help? :/ |
| 01:47.28 | maatttt | how do I found out what disk devices I have available ? |
| 01:47.42 | rahul | jelly-home: that's because you're not stoned |
| 01:47.56 | jelly-home | must be |
| 01:48.17 | simonrvn | i haven't been stoned in 2+ years :) |
| 01:48.28 | jelly-home | !win simonrvn |
| 01:48.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 01:48.34 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 01:48.39 | simonrvn | !win me |
| 01:48.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 01:48.43 | simonrvn | ... |
| 01:48.45 | simonrvn | nm |
| 01:48.48 | jelly-home | meat breakfast every day |
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| 01:49.22 | n3kl | simonrvn: I am doing recode UTF-8 file, where does the converted/output go? |
| 01:49.28 | simonrvn- | . |
| 01:49.28 | n3kl | am I missing something? |
| 01:50.00 | jelly-home | n3kl: recode foo..bar file? it works on the file itself. |
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| 01:51.15 | n3kl | jelly-home: does not apear to |
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| 01:51.20 | jelly-home | n3kl: if you want output to stdout, pipe the input to stdin. recode foo..bar < file |
| 01:51.53 | jelly-home | n3kl: do you have write permissions to that file? |
| 01:51.55 | n3kl | I am trying to convert an email, and in the header, I see Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 and the email is all garbled. For some reason mutt can read it fine, but the text is all jecked |
| 01:52.26 | n3kl | jelly-home: yes I have write |
| 01:52.51 | jelly-home | n3kl: what is the exact command you're using? |
| 01:53.10 | simonrvn | !mutt++ |
| 01:53.13 | n3kl | recode UTF-8 'maildir/cur/1180552653.V301I18c118M455669.sentry:2,S' |
| 01:53.16 | rahul | but the better question is who is on me! |
| 01:53.23 | simonrvn | rahul: your cat? |
| 01:53.28 | rahul | eew |
| 01:53.31 | rahul | good thing I don't have a cat |
| 01:53.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 01:53.35 | rahul | I wouldn't wnat one anyway |
| 01:53.39 | rahul | I'm more of a dog person |
| 01:53.53 | simonrvn- | silly rahul, kicks are for trids |
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| 01:54.18 | rahul | but I am a trid |
| 01:54.34 | simonrvn | !kick rahul |
| 01:54.45 | rahul | oh |
| 01:54.47 | rahul | ok |
| 01:54.54 | n3kl | jelly-home: you catch that? |
| 01:55.12 | jelly-home | n3kl: to be honest I have no idea what that syntax does, I always use recode from-charset..to-charset |
| 01:55.13 | simonrvn | rahul: maybe you should have some of that 'magic' green stuff |
| 01:55.23 | rahul | which one? |
| 01:55.27 | maatttt | is there an easy way to list disk drives ? |
| 01:55.29 | rahul | oh right, julia's not green |
| 01:55.30 | simonrvn | the herby kind |
| 01:55.32 | red_ | how do I detach a script lauched via bash from the shell sessions itself? If I ssh into a remote box, launch an application via 'bash application.bash &' then it's in the backgroud but if I close the ssh session it dies |
| 01:55.36 | n3kl | jelly-home: with the .. between them? |
| 01:55.39 | rahul | simonrvn: you mean the one I just had |
| 01:55.40 | rahul | ? |
| 01:55.41 | cyberfr0g` | hello |
| 01:55.41 | simonrvn | maatttt: cfdisk, fdisk |
| 01:55.46 | raxip | Hi |
| 01:55.47 | red_ | how can I detach it completely and have it run as a daemon? |
| 01:55.50 | simonrvn | rahul: that explains it |
| 01:55.51 | raxip | I'll soon find out |
| 01:55.52 | cyberfr0g` | confidential |
| 01:55.54 | rahul | heheh |
| 01:56.03 | rahul | 21:53 * rahul is on ... :D |
| 01:56.06 | jelly-home | n3kl: right. Eg. recode utf16le..latin2 some-windows-file |
| 01:56.14 | moshii | Is there any way of making cp remove the destination file if it fails to copy? |
| 01:56.19 | Julia41 | [03:56] <rahul> oh right, julia's not green << I'm not Green :p |
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| 01:56.28 | rahul | moshii: if it didn't, it wouldn't be there |
| 01:56.33 | simonrvn | red_: yeh. use nohup, screen, or a bash setopt for NOHUP (if it has that...) |
| 01:56.38 | rahul | Julia41: but you're not that julia anyway :P |
| 01:57.01 | n3kl | jelly-home: I see. I will continue to work with it |
| 01:57.04 | n3kl | jelly-home: thanks |
| 01:57.07 | rahul | moshii: if you mean some sort of read error... you could check the exit code and rm if nonzero? |
| 01:57.21 | moshii | rahul: um no, I have the problem that files are copied, fill the drive and then the last file is a truncated copy |
| 01:57.35 | red_ | simonrvn: cheers. just the ticket |
| 01:57.43 | rahul | figuring out which is the last will be tricky |
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| 01:57.53 | rahul | moshii: welcome to the unix way. |
| 01:57.54 | moshii | rahul: if it fails to copy I'd like to have it removed rather than have a useless file :P |
| 01:58.24 | moshii | rahul: I could write a script and alias it in.. but I think there may be a better way (tm) |
| 01:58.37 | rahul | nope |
| 01:58.50 | rahul | the right way (r) is to have a transactional FS. |
| 01:59.02 | rahul | (which is trivial to implement on a journalled FS) |
| 01:59.04 | jelly-home | n3kl: also I think that UTF-8 and latin1 have exactly the same printable chars. |
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| 01:59.11 | rahul | (however, no one wants to expose the APIs) |
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| 01:59.20 | moshii | rahul: but there you would need a version of cp that supported transactions... |
| 01:59.23 | simonrvn | jelly-home: no US-ASCII and UTF-8 do |
| 01:59.29 | peterS | jelly-home: eh, utf-8 has a lot more printable characters than latin1 does |
| 01:59.46 | rahul | peterS: but the ones they share have the same representation |
| 01:59.50 | jelly-home | I meant that UTF-8 is backwards compatible with latin1 |
| 01:59.52 | simonrvn | latin* and utf-8 needs translating else you get garbage |
| 01:59.57 | n3kl | jelly-home: perhaps I am not looking for utf-8 then. |
| 02:00.03 | peterS | rahul: nope, you're thinking of Unicode (unencoded) and Latin1 |
| 02:00.06 | rahul | actually, they don't |
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| 02:00.17 | rahul | ASCII and utf-8 overlap |
| 02:00.20 | simonrvn | yes |
| 02:00.25 | peterS | jelly-home: you're thinking of bare Unicode codepoint numbers, the first 256 of which correspond exactly to Latin1. UTF-8 doesn't use bare codepoint numbers, though |
| 02:00.28 | rahul | well, utf-8 codes are identical to ascii codes |
| 02:00.44 | rahul | peterS: it does for the printable characters in ascii |
| 02:00.52 | simonrvn | the couple hundred anywa ;) |
| 02:00.53 | peterS | rahul: yeah but if that's what you mean, don't call it "latin 1" |
| 02:00.58 | simonrvn | first couple* |
| 02:01.04 | rahul | 22:00 < rahul> actually, they don't |
| 02:01.07 | jelly-home | peterS: yup. I've just rtfmed |
| 02:01.22 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 02:01.37 | simonrvn | is it night already? damn |
| 02:01.42 | simonrvn | :P |
| 02:02.15 | jelly-home | n3kl: mutt should be able to display the mail correctly if your locale supports the characters in it |
| 02:02.44 | jelly-home | n3kl: (and if the MIME structure of the mail is correct, of course) |
| 02:03.08 | n3kl | jelly-home: which it does. I have never had to deal with the before, but I am parsing the mail files themselves. |
| 02:03.15 | jelly-home | mutt displays russian and hebrew spam fairly well here. :-) |
| 02:03.50 | n3kl | Ha |
| 02:04.28 | simonrvn | as well as asian spam too |
| 02:04.50 | nvz | heh bugs on mt screen annoy the shit out of me.. but I think its funny that if I open a white window they crawl around and when I switch to a black one they stop moving |
| 02:05.18 | jelly-home | smack'em! |
| 02:05.35 | simonrvn | it is funny |
| 02:05.43 | nvz | it gets old after awhile I dont sit close enough to my monitor to do it without getting up |
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| 02:06.24 | waspius | does anyone know why under gnome, when you make your panels auto hide..they dont hide completely? |
| 02:07.02 | nvz | In other news I am actually considering buying a new pc sometime this year last one i bought and built died after 6mo and I've been using 2nd hand garbage for the past few years |
| 02:07.43 | nvz | its starting to annoy me.. I make excuses I wont spend money on a pc cause i don't really use it for much.. but thats probably ass backwards.. I would probably use it more if it were capable of doing more |
| 02:07.53 | waspius | and another question..is it possible to buy a mac and install debian on it and have all the hardwar recognised and configured? |
| 02:07.59 | simonrvn | i'm considering doing that too, if my partner agrees... |
| 02:08.46 | nvz | I still want that damn toshiba libretto its fuckin sweet but I will probably end up gettng a much cheaper desktop system |
| 02:08.48 | n3kl | what else could be making the file unreadable. I have a crap load of =0D,=0A and =3D scattered all over a handfull of email files. |
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| 02:09.32 | nvz | waspius: if they hid completly you couldnt get em back |
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| 02:09.49 | nvz | waspius: that would be auto-delete not auto-hide |
| 02:10.04 | waspius | nvz: :SD |
| 02:10.20 | waspius | nvz: in kde it hides completely |
| 02:10.23 | nvz | you need enough of it still there than you can reactivate it |
| 02:10.29 | nvz | so use kde then.. heh |
| 02:10.43 | nvz | or bitch at the gnome developers about how the show/hide works |
| 02:10.52 | waspius | nvz: ok..do u know about the mac issue? |
| 02:11.00 | nvz | there is no issue |
| 02:11.13 | nvz | just vagueness |
| 02:11.14 | waspius | nvz: so is it possible? |
| 02:11.20 | nvz | yes people can get macs to work on debian |
| 02:11.49 | nvz | I'm not going to gaurentee you that today's sid is gonna run on a mac classic or something |
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| 02:12.17 | waspius | ok..final question..how can i find out why gnome-panel is using 222mb resident memory? |
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| 02:12.51 | simonrvn | it mem leaks like crazy that's why |
| 02:13.25 | waspius | is it possible to minimise it or not? |
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| 02:13.42 | nvz | my gnome-panel is only using 8mb |
| 02:14.06 | waspius | so what can cause it to use so much? |
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| 02:14.27 | nvz | a memory leak *shrug* |
| 02:14.37 | nvz | sounds to me like you shouldnt be using it |
| 02:14.56 | nvz | when I got that many problems with something I generally don't use it |
| 02:15.03 | nvz | this is why I got rid of my tv |
| 02:15.05 | nvz | heh |
| 02:15.29 | waspius | lol..so what i should remove the panel completely? |
| 02:15.38 | waspius | will that not make life harder? |
| 02:16.03 | nvz | you're unimaginative |
| 02:16.21 | waspius | well i am kind of new so i am still learning |
| 02:16.46 | nvz | well you're obviously not too new to know what sucks and what doesnt |
| 02:17.00 | nvz | start building a custom session |
| 02:18.03 | waspius | ok..any manuals for doing that?and then if i do not use a gnome-panel what exactly do i do? |
| 02:18.07 | nvz | cat .xsession | tr "\n" ";" |
| 02:18.10 | nvz | er |
| 02:18.18 | nvz | xset s off;xset -dpms;#synergys -n E;gnome-settings-daemon &;nautilus -n &;gnome-panel &;sawfish |
| 02:18.22 | nvz | thats my session file |
| 02:18.42 | jelly-home | nvz: should have s/#.*// before that tr |
| 02:18.58 | nvz | as you can see its a slimmed down megashitty less gnome-like environment without the session manager |
| 02:19.15 | nvz | jelly-home: why? |
| 02:19.18 | waspius | yeah great that all looks chinese to me:( i need to do some reading on that |
| 02:19.38 | nvz | jelly-home: all it would do is take out my synergy line I'm not currently using |
| 02:19.58 | jelly-home | nvz: right, doesn't matter in this case |
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| 02:20.35 | nvz | waspius: all I use is nautilus -n which draws the desktop, and it also requires gnome-settings-daemon for various things like icon themes on the desktop.. and the gnome-panel and the sawfish wm |
| 02:20.54 | nvz | waspius: much lighter than a full gnome-session with a wm that doesnt suck ass |
| 02:21.23 | waspius | ok..so instead of just changing the wm is there anything i need to read? |
| 02:21.43 | nvz | waspius: you just need to decide what programs you like and what you dont and setup your session file |
| 02:21.58 | nvz | you dont have to choose kde or gnome you could use little of both or neither |
| 02:22.32 | jelly-home | xfce! |
| 02:23.03 | nvz | its all modular you could in theory run kicker with nautilus and have a Knome |
| 02:23.04 | waspius | yeah i had worked once with xfce |
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| 02:23.33 | waspius | ok..thank you going to check it |
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| 02:23.58 | nvz | I really only need sawfish the rest is just giving my ram something to do |
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| 02:24.11 | Zemus | How do I add a user to the sudoers list with a singe command, as root? |
| 02:24.14 | jelly-home | it really depends on how much you expect from the interface, and how much memory you have |
| 02:24.15 | nvz | nautilus is too damn slow to be of much use to me most of the time |
| 02:24.45 | jelly-home | Zemus: $EDITOR /etc/sudoers |
| 02:24.48 | nvz | sawfish is all you need. if you want something graphical you start it in your session file and tell sawfish how to match the window |
| 02:25.36 | jelly-home | Zemus: or a simple echo "a sudo config line" >> /etc/sudoers |
| 02:26.20 | nvz | which reminds me.. I wanted to try using matched windows to take the annoyance out of batch load operations with gimp-remote |
| 02:26.21 | Zemus | jelly-home, I need the exact command word for word :P |
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| 02:26.51 | simonrvn | i remember using started sawfish years ago... then it got removed from gnome, replaced by metacity, which is damned slow |
| 02:27.10 | jelly-home | Zemus: sorry, it would depend on what kind of configuration you want for that particular user |
| 02:27.12 | simonrvn | jelly-home: DUDE! visudo |
| 02:27.21 | simonrvn | Zemus: visudo |
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| 02:28.09 | nvz | simonrvn: its more than slow, its got like no useful features. just better themability.. who hoo.. who cares |
| 02:28.18 | jelly-home | simonrvn: real men ediy by hand and disregard explicit instructions not to |
| 02:28.41 | waspius | so i apt get ie sawfish and remove metacity? |
| 02:28.42 | simonrvn | nvz: for sure |
| 02:28.46 | nvz | simonrvn: I'd have switched to openbox by now if it could be as dynamic as sawfish and had a configuration frontend that took some work out of it |
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| 02:29.28 | nvz | simonrvn: sawfish is just unparalleled.. openbox offers the main features but it cant change the settings dynamically like sawfish and it sure as hell cant do it from an easy GUI like sawfish-ui does |
| 02:29.29 | simonrvn | nvz: using openbox now. fast enough for me. the xml is a PITA, but it's easy enough to grok |
| 02:29.51 | dureyes | can someone recommend a program to add the .idx file to .avi ? |
| 02:30.01 | simonrvn | i just have entries in my own menu file for "reconfigure" and "restart" |
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| 02:30.10 | nvz | sawfish is programmed in a lisp settings take effect immediatly |
| 02:31.11 | nvz | openbox does have the context-based bindings and window matching capabilities.. but no UI with "grab" buttons that makes it fast and easy to change configuration on the fly |
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| 02:31.16 | simonrvn | yeh, that's the nice part. i'm getting into lisp a bit... started to use emacs again, so this time around it won't be so dangerous for me to edit its confs ;) |
| 02:31.20 | Zemus | jelly-home, configuration? I just want that user to be able to do as much as possible, basically have total root authority, but it needs to be one command. |
| 02:31.25 | antarus | hrm, given i have a 32-bit userland with a 64-bit kernel, there would be no way to build 64-bit programs without a chroot (or second weird toolchain) right? |
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| 02:31.40 | Zemus | jelly-home, if I need to be educated on authority settings etc, please, I'm all ears. :P I love learning. ^.^ |
| 02:31.42 | antarus | (on amd64) |
| 02:31.44 | waspius | and how can i fix my mouse pad?for some reason when i browse and use the wheel it tries to take me to some sort of link..any ideas why that can be happening? |
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| 02:32.28 | nvz | waspius: middle click or right click pastes in X and in the browser if you paste into the page without a text-box or something of the sort under the cursor it assumes you want to paste it into the address bar |
| 02:32.31 | simonrvn | waspius: you middle click it accidentily and the browser reads that as something to follow |
| 02:32.45 | simonrvn | right click continues selection |
| 02:32.49 | nvz | waspius: highlighting this www.google.com and middle clicking in the browser will take you there |
| 02:33.08 | waspius | aha..so how can i disable that? |
| 02:33.14 | nvz | ugh, use windows |
| 02:33.20 | waspius | :S |
| 02:33.22 | nvz | thats like the cooliest thing ever |
| 02:33.25 | nvz | heh |
| 02:33.27 | jelly-home | Zemus: you need to learn how to append a line to a text file in shell. |
| 02:33.28 | simonrvn | disabling middle click pasting? why? |
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| 02:33.33 | nvz | seriously |
| 02:33.47 | nvz | just dont make sloppy use of it |
| 02:33.52 | waspius | well because it always happens accidentaly |
| 02:34.04 | nvz | well thats user error :P |
| 02:34.04 | simonrvn | be more careful when you scroll that's all |
| 02:34.19 | Zemus | jelly-home, I do indeed. Want to tell me how? |
| 02:34.28 | simonrvn | scroll wheel mice r0x0r my s0x0rs |
| 02:34.31 | jelly-home | Zemus: echo "something" >> file |
| 02:34.37 | nvz | waspius: you dont have to scroll with a ball-peen hammer |
| 02:34.43 | Zemus | I see. |
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| 02:35.21 | jelly-home | Zemus: probably /msg dpkg grounding |
| 02:35.34 | simonrvn | yes, thanks, didn't remember the factoid name |
| 02:35.49 | waspius | nvz: is it possible to change the sensitiviness? |
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| 02:36.01 | simonrvn | xset |
| 02:36.07 | waspius | sensitiveness |
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| 02:36.13 | nvz | waspius: heh spill some cola in there? unplug it first though.. |
| 02:36.21 | nvz | simonrvn: I think he means on the middle click |
| 02:36.22 | rahul | xset |
| 02:36.30 | cast | any idea why eth0 would go up and down all the time? |
| 02:36.38 | rahul | my middle click isn't sensitive |
| 02:36.39 | simonrvn | oh, not for individual things like that |
| 02:36.55 | waspius | well on my laptop for some reason it is |
| 02:37.01 | Supaplex | cast: it needs all natural network adapter enhancement. ;) |
| 02:37.09 | waspius | under other distros it was not |
| 02:37.13 | nvz | waspius: you could maybe disable the go-to feature in the browser.. would be little more sane than disabling X's clipboard features |
| 02:37.20 | nvz | waspius: what browser are you using? |
| 02:37.24 | amphi | waspius: you have some tap-to-click crap turned on? |
| 02:37.30 | jelly-home | Zemus: then you man sudoers, go to EXAMPLES, look at that "root ALL = (ALL) ALL" line and add to sudoers a line just like that, but replacing "root" with your user. |
| 02:37.31 | waspius | yes |
| 02:37.39 | waspius | iceweasel |
| 02:37.44 | cast | Supaplex: itll get the hammer if it it proves to be defective |
| 02:37.48 | amphi | waspius: turn it off, is my advice |
| 02:37.49 | Zemus | I don't have access to my linux system right now, I need to write this down. :P |
| 02:37.50 | simonrvn | nvz: sawfish homepage is where? sf.net? its own domain? i get some parked domain crap when i go to sawfish.org ... |
| 02:37.53 | jelly-home | Zemus: then go back to man sudoers to see what it does :-) |
| 02:38.26 | simonrvn | Zemus: or google for "man sudoers" |
| 02:38.40 | simonrvn | should get you the HTMLised man page |
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| 02:39.34 | simonrvn | nvz: emacswiki.org ;p |
| 02:40.26 | nvz | simonrvn: I think the homepage is still sawmill.sf.net |
| 02:40.29 | mrsn0 | nn |
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| 02:40.59 | simonrvn | yeh, sawmill... went to /sawfish and got "exiting with error" at sf.net |
| 02:41.19 | nvz | simonrvn: no idea why they are still using the sawmill name there |
| 02:41.32 | nvz | simonrvn: sawfish isnt exactly a hot project anymore..heh |
| 02:41.34 | rahul | you can't change oit |
| 02:41.34 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 02:41.38 | waspius | ok so how do i disable the tapping? |
| 02:41.43 | nvz | probably hasn't been updated much at all |
| 02:41.50 | nvz | rahul: thats silly |
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| 02:42.58 | simonrvn | heh, it's still in debian |
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| 02:44.26 | simonrvn | Cyis: you a dd now? since when? |
| 02:44.47 | Cyis | I've been a DD since '01 |
| 02:44.53 | simonrvn | oh, ok |
| 02:44.58 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to configure exim3 so that email sent to a computer on a private network isn't routed through the default smarhost? |
| 02:45.10 | simonrvn | exim3? o_O |
| 02:45.23 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah seems sawfish's latest release on sf.net was over 4 years ago.. and the screenshots are way older than that |
| 02:45.27 | Cyis | just didn't have the cloak until recently |
| 02:45.35 | simonrvn | Cyis: 'k |
| 02:45.54 | simonrvn | nvz: the latest in debian is some svn snapshot from jan. '07 |
| 02:46.10 | simonrvn | er, sorry, the rep stuff is |
| 02:46.20 | simonrvn | librep9_0.17+svn20070119-3 |
| 02:46.46 | simonrvn | 1:1.3+svn4194-1 sawfish* |
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| 02:47.31 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah I wish I knew enough to take it and run with it.. I got dozens of ideas, most of which are ancient wishlist bugs by now. |
| 02:48.06 | nvz | simonrvn: I havent seen anything that I'd rather be using. Openbox and Ion come close but they just arent like sawfish |
| 02:48.06 | simonrvn | heh probably =) |
| 02:48.54 | simonrvn | openbox hasn't been active either. it's too bad stuff like that gets neglected. eh, real life happens |
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| 02:50.00 | blem_deb | hey. i can't get SSHD to start on boot. if i do '/etc/init.d/ssh start' it works |
| 02:50.16 | unlink | where ids debconf data stored? |
| 02:50.25 | blem_deb | i also did a update-rc.d but still nothing |
| 02:50.41 | simonrvn | blem_deb: check your /etc/rc?.d links |
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| 02:51.09 | Arafangion | kingsley: I recommend you use postfix. |
| 02:51.15 | blem_deb | simonrvn: yea they are linked to /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 02:51.20 | simonrvn | postfix or exim4 ... |
| 02:51.52 | nvz | simonrvn: gnome was the only reason sawfish was getting any real attention from the masses.. and they dumped it mostly because it doesnt exactly comply with FDS and its themability is a little off-beat |
| 02:52.15 | kingsley | Arafangion: Can you elaborate on why? |
| 02:53.19 | nvz | sawfish is a noble wm that does exactly what a wm should and nothing more, nothing less. |
| 02:53.25 | Arafangion | kingsley: Many reasons. |
| 02:53.29 | simonrvn | nvz: for sure |
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| 02:55.18 | unlink | how do i free the stale device /dev/sda? |
| 02:55.46 | Arafangion | unlink: That question just does not make sense. |
| 02:56.10 | unlink | Arafangion: sure it does, /dev/sda exists but refers to no actual device |
| 02:56.36 | unlink | Arafangion: i want the usb disk i plug in to be /dev/sda, but there is already a defunct node occupying that slot |
| 02:56.47 | Arafangion | unlink: Prior to udev, that was considered utterly normal. |
| 02:56.59 | Arafangion | unlink: So this must be a udev question. Haven't a clue :( |
| 02:57.06 | unlink | Arafangion: unfortunately, this machine is still living in a prior to udev world. |
| 02:57.14 | simonrvn | so ignore it |
| 02:57.23 | Arafangion | unlink: Ahh, ok, then you must bear and grin it. |
| 02:57.38 | rahul | unlink: uh... |
| 02:57.41 | Azar | :) |
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| 02:57.52 | rahul | unlink: if you want udev's features, use udev |
| 02:58.04 | Arafangion | unlink: This is precisely why udev was developed :) |
| 02:58.13 | Azar | rahul: found stoned? |
| 02:58.31 | unlink | good.(?) |
| 02:58.38 | rahul | if you found me now, you'd find me stoned |
| 02:58.56 | rahul | but you wouldn't find stoned, and neither have I |
| 02:59.04 | Azar | went down in the dungeons on nethack to find the miracle stoned... not there |
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| 02:59.42 | waspius | ok i installed synaptics touchpad driver but i get an error saying i must set SHMConfig true in xorg.conf or XF86Config..in xorg i cannot find it...and xf86config does not exist...any help? |
| 03:00.14 | Azar | waspius: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg < you will find the setting there |
| 03:00.29 | waspius | thank you |
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| 03:02.46 | waspius | Azar: i did not find it |
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| 03:02.51 | brianfast | hi |
| 03:03.25 | Azar | waspius: ok, you do not use a mouse, but instead a touchpad, yes? |
| 03:03.32 | waspius | yes |
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| 03:04.04 | Azar | waspius: you could find it on some menu line that refers to mouse... only avoid mouse and see if you find "touchpad" line in the menu |
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| 03:05.23 | Azar | under Input Device (other than keyboard.. ) |
| 03:05.41 | waspius | Azar: it refers to the port... |
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| 03:06.11 | waspius | Azar: the protocol |
| 03:06.15 | Azar | waspius: isn't there a larger input device category .. other than keyboard or mouse? |
| 03:06.25 | waspius | no |
| 03:06.57 | Azar | damn, I assumed, because I do not use xorg, my xfree86-4 offered that option (touchpads) |
| 03:07.21 | Azar | HONORABLES, xorg does not offer touchpad support? |
| 03:07.42 | simonrvn | depends on the needed driver |
| 03:08.02 | Azar | ah, so udev did not see his touchpad |
| 03:08.17 | Azar | waspius: why touchpad? laptop? |
| 03:08.21 | waspius | yes |
| 03:08.26 | stoned | hi |
| 03:08.28 | Azar | which model |
| 03:08.32 | Azar | stonedddd!!! :) |
| 03:08.33 | waspius | synaptics |
| 03:08.46 | Azar | err which laptop model? dell? toshiba? |
| 03:08.52 | waspius | compaw |
| 03:08.55 | waspius | compaq |
| 03:09.04 | waspius | presario 2500 |
| 03:09.28 | stoned | pipihi Azar |
| 03:09.31 | stoned | er.. hi |
| 03:10.00 | waspius | under other distros it did not have this problem..but i always had installed the synaptics driver which i did now..but i get the eroor i mentioned earlier |
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| 03:11.12 | simonrvn | stoned: kwe kwe |
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| 03:11.39 | stoned | hows it goin tonight |
| 03:12.05 | stoned | !synaptics |
| 03:12.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html |
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| 03:12.11 | netrat | hello i just install xen 3.1.0 on debian 4.0. everything works fine except for vnc. when i did the installation i got the following message about vnc, Checking check_libvncserver: unused, OK |
| 03:12.18 | witless | can someone recommend an easy-to-follow guide for getting centralized ldap authentication working for a small group of etch systems (a server and a few workstations)? |
| 03:12.23 | netrat | but i install libvncserver from source |
| 03:13.10 | Azar | stoned: rahul is desperate to find you |
| 03:13.22 | stoned | freenode have memos? |
| 03:13.28 | stoned | memoserv |
| 03:13.41 | stoned | someone ought to tell him about it |
| 03:13.46 | Azar | waspius: it is called "Trackpoint"... you haven't seen anything like that on your xorg reconfiguration menu? |
| 03:13.56 | Azar | stoned: you were "here" |
| 03:13.59 | netrat | witless: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_ldap_authentication |
| 03:14.08 | waspius | Azar: i will check again |
| 03:14.25 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 03:14.25 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 03:14.28 | Azar | stoned: I told him to go to the pub because maybe you were there |
| 03:14.30 | simonrvn | witless: ldapwiki.org or such, sec. else #ldap |
| 03:14.31 | stoned | ! |
| 03:14.40 | simonrvn | http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Ldap |
| 03:14.42 | rahul | do memos stick stick around while you're logged in |
| 03:14.43 | rahul | ? |
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| 03:14.45 | simonrvn | witless: ^^^ |
| 03:14.47 | Azar | hehe stoned in a wet, sticky spot |
| 03:14.53 | rahul | <- witless |
| 03:15.06 | stoned | you can msg me too |
| 03:15.18 | rahul | yeah, but if your window closes will you see it? |
| 03:15.21 | Azar | stoned: where you were honorable all day? |
| 03:15.26 | stoned | working |
| 03:15.32 | Azar | lucky you... |
| 03:15.33 | netrat | so uhh anybody use xen? |
| 03:15.34 | Azar | I am bored |
| 03:15.35 | rahul | anyway... you're invited to a bbq tomorrow. lots of musicians |
| 03:15.40 | stoned | !xen |
| 03:15.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
| 03:15.42 | waspius | Azar: if i add the option in xorg will it matter? |
| 03:15.48 | netrat | i'm looking for some help with xen 3.1.0 and vnc |
| 03:15.49 | stoned | are you sure vnc is a xen related issue? |
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| 03:15.55 | rahul | one will be playing in a technical death metal band wed, too |
| 03:16.06 | simonrvn | !xen =~ s,oftc.net,irc.oftc.net, |
| 03:16.06 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
| 03:16.07 | Azar | waspius: it is a temporary fix... next time you get security upgrades, will go away.. |
| 03:16.17 | stoned | rahul: working until 7:30p, |
| 03:16.20 | Azar | waspius: read the header note in the xorg.conf |
| 03:16.20 | tnks_ | Is there any benefit to using logical partitions instead of one of the primary ones? |
| 03:16.30 | netrat | stoned: it's a problem with xen not launching a vnc server on fully virtualized hosts. heard it was a common problem with debian and xen 3.1.0 |
| 03:16.57 | netrat | it's complaining about libvncserver, but it's installed |
| 03:17.02 | simonrvn | i don't remember sawfish being this fast |
| 03:17.07 | Azar | waspius: look at this example, is for xfree86 but works for xorg too: http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmadam700/xorg.conf.m700 |
| 03:17.08 | stoned | simonrvn: can i message ye |
| 03:17.14 | rahul | tomorrow? |
| 03:17.17 | waspius | Azar: well i dont seem to find any trackpoint |
| 03:17.17 | rahul | stoned ^ |
| 03:17.24 | simonrvn | stoned: you may not you silly boy :P (j/k) |
| 03:17.35 | nvz | idk librep isnt that scary looking I think I could almost grok it if I tried |
| 03:17.36 | Azar | waspius: what about CorePointer? |
| 03:17.40 | stoned | rahul: yeh |
| 03:17.42 | nvz | I just skimmed through the manual |
| 03:17.49 | rahul | bah |
| 03:17.52 | simonrvn | i installe librep-doc for kicks |
| 03:17.54 | simonrvn | d |
| 03:17.55 | rahul | sunday is the day of the lord |
| 03:18.04 | rahul | you're supposed to get drunk and stoned and eat bbq |
| 03:18.05 | waspius | Azar: no |
| 03:18.10 | stoned | no stoning |
| 03:18.16 | stoned | drinky maybe |
| 03:18.21 | Azar | waspius: look here: http://www.cs.ru.nl/~tews/debian-etch-nc6320.html |
| 03:18.25 | nvz | o.O no stoning for stoned? |
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| 03:18.45 | Azar | "works after reboot" |
| 03:18.49 | Azar | could it be so trivial? |
| 03:19.43 | waspius | Azar: i will reboot and see otherwise i will just add the line for now and see if there is any difference |
| 03:19.44 | stoned | rahul: I can't make it tomorrow cuz on monday i have to go in early |
| 03:19.46 | stoned | 7:30am |
| 03:19.48 | nvz | simonrvn: I don't think my ability to code or understand the code was ever the problem anyhow.. I think its more my attention span.. large projects just have too much shit to swamp through to familiarize yourself with them |
| 03:19.58 | rahul | stoned: and wed night? |
| 03:20.06 | stoned | im off thursday so yeh word |
| 03:20.12 | rahul | !! |
| 03:20.12 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 03:20.16 | stoned | we're gonna get like ot policed |
| 03:20.19 | stoned | msg me |
| 03:20.21 | rahul | yeah |
| 03:20.24 | nvz | even when I was a kid and coding regularly, I could do my own stuff, but unless the project was fairly small I couldnt work on other peoples code |
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| 03:20.38 | witless | netrat: simonrvn: thanks |
| 03:20.42 | Azar | stoned: you got a job? |
| 03:20.58 | simonrvn | nvz: no kidding |
| 03:21.08 | nvz | I did a rewrite of a football simulator once was the biggest project I ever messed with |
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| 03:21.37 | nvz | ended up merging my changes with the original so you could still play it both ways |
| 03:22.11 | rahul | mmmm this v8 stuff tastes good stoned |
| 03:23.40 | nvz | simonrvn: I don't understand where people's focus comes from.. even with my love for sawfish my need to do productive things like eat, make money, be entertianed.. etc are gonna take over :P |
| 03:24.06 | stoned | I'm getting fat |
| 03:24.13 | stoned | I'm 150lbs now |
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| 03:24.18 | nvz | haha |
| 03:24.24 | nvz | what are you like 4ft tall? |
| 03:24.30 | stoned | 5'11 |
| 03:24.37 | nvz | haha, you're not fat then |
| 03:24.47 | stoned | I got jiggly belly |
| 03:25.07 | rahul | julia said my belly is perfect |
| 03:25.08 | nvz | I've been between 150-160lbs ever since the weather started getting above 70degF every day |
| 03:25.17 | nvz | I'm normally closer to 180 |
| 03:25.24 | nvz | well when its cold |
| 03:25.26 | rahul | the things she says to make her fans happy :P |
| 03:25.29 | simonrvn | nvz: good time management |
| 03:25.31 | nvz | and still I'm skinny as hell |
| 03:25.45 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah well I guess I'll never be coding again then.. heh |
| 03:25.52 | simonrvn | i'm 140ish :| |
| 03:26.07 | nvz | simonrvn: low attention span, poor time mangement skills |
| 03:26.40 | simonrvn | and 5'10.5" |
| 03:26.59 | nvz | ugh we're some lanky bastards |
| 03:27.18 | simonrvn | and i'm and wide shouldered, i look funny |
| 03:27.43 | simonrvn | and the typical anishnabe legs |
| 03:27.45 | nvz | but I am pretty active. I walk/bike ride just about everywhere.. and do dumb shit like going down to the track and jumping hurdles at night just for something to do |
| 03:28.01 | nvz | when I get bored I should be sitting around with a bucket of chicken watching tv |
| 03:28.06 | simonrvn | stoned: this is cool stuff |
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| 03:28.16 | stoned | word man |
| 03:28.20 | Azar | I can't wait to get my feet well, to ride my bike on the hills again |
| 03:28.30 | Azar | stoned: when is your days off? |
| 03:28.36 | stoned | thur. |
| 03:28.43 | Azar | moneybags |
| 03:28.53 | stoned | simonrvn: which one you like? |
| 03:28.58 | simonrvn | i like #2 better; #1 is good for riffs and stuff, or mixing. keep it |
| 03:28.59 | Azar | I got 5 weeks at home |
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| 03:29.03 | nvz | I gotta start keeping my bike inside instead of chained to the fence.. I just put a new chain on not long ago and its already getting all rusty |
| 03:29.20 | simonrvn | oil it properly ;) |
| 03:29.29 | Azar | nvz: take it out every spring, wash it in gasoline, then grease.... looks like new again |
| 03:29.31 | simonrvn | you can even use olive oil |
| 03:29.34 | nvz | yeah well leaving it outside in the rain doesnt help |
| 03:29.51 | nvz | the chain is new, I just put it on like 2 months ago |
| 03:29.57 | Azar | nvz: that what I did every spring, piece it out, clean with gasoline, and assembly back |
| 03:30.00 | nvz | was all greased when I put it on |
| 03:30.21 | simonrvn | grease isn't very good for chains, they collect dirt too easily |
| 03:30.31 | Azar | heck and buy a cover for it on winter |
| 03:30.36 | simonrvn | you need a good sticky oil, that flows easily |
| 03:30.39 | Supaplex | I use whitelightning on my bike chain |
| 03:31.05 | Azar | simonrvn: I grease it very light.. once/month.. the oil dries too fast |
| 03:31.12 | simonrvn | at a bike "coop" i go to they have this teflon oil, works nice |
| 03:31.33 | simonrvn | in the winter, you use some transmission fluid |
| 03:31.44 | simonrvn | yeh the red stuff |
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| 03:31.50 | nvz | what aggrivates me the most is my back rims are alwas getting bent out of shape which is why I buy such cheap bikes so I can just get a new one when shit starts going wrong... heh |
| 03:32.07 | simonrvn | slow down when you jump the curb ;) |
| 03:32.17 | simonrvn | i need coffee |
| 03:32.24 | simonrvn | s,need,want, |
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| 03:32.40 | nvz | I'm just in general to hard on the damn things.. they cant keep up with me |
| 03:33.06 | nvz | I thought all the damn shocks and springs on this one would help it take a beating.. but not really |
| 03:33.09 | Azar | my bike is over 8 years old but looks like new |
| 03:33.41 | nvz | I bought this one last year for like USD$70 |
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| 03:34.10 | Zemus | I want to talk to my friend on skype, but I'm using debian. Is there an open source substitute I can use? |
| 03:34.20 | Azar | mine was $198.00 back in the days.. those were real money... but is rock solid |
| 03:34.44 | nvz | Zemus: I think pidgin or kopete has unofficial plugins for it.. I was reading something about it on one of those two project websites the other night. |
| 03:34.46 | simonrvn | nvz: i am too. though last time it was a sidewalk snow clearer that trashed it, and not me. |
| 03:34.53 | nvz | Zemus: skype will run on debian. |
| 03:35.08 | Zemus | Skype has a linux client? |
| 03:35.12 | Zemus | I had no idea. |
| 03:35.15 | nvz | of course it does |
| 03:35.22 | Zemus | Alright. :P |
| 03:35.30 | simonrvn | nvz: the shocks just take energy away from your pedalling. it's only good for off-road stuff, not city riding |
| 03:35.38 | nvz | I tested it like 2 years ago or so with Sgiegerbot or whatever the hell his name is |
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| 03:36.11 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah mine got shocks on the front fork, and the frame, and I added a seat with springs on it too.. heh |
| 03:36.50 | simonrvn | hehe, that's a comfy ride |
| 03:36.51 | nvz | simonrvn: I noticed it takes away from my pedal power.. but I think thats half the problem I can just about ratle the bike to pieces if its a solid frame |
| 03:37.20 | nvz | I dont take the bike unless I'm trying to make good time.. I'd rather walk |
| 03:37.34 | zu22 | hey, trying to install kernel image linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 (running 2.4.27 now) and dpkg won't let me, complains about The following packages have unmet dependencies: binutils: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is to be installed, libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.5-9+b1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is to be installed, locales: Depends: glibc-2.5-1, so how can i fix this and proceed with the kernel upgrade? |
| 03:37.41 | nvz | and making good time means riding hard, and going off the beaten path sometimes |
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| 03:37.52 | zu22 | running debian testing release |
| 03:37.57 | simonrvn | yeh. i've been walking a lot lately, due to my discouragement of having that snow clearer trashing my bike |
| 03:38.01 | Guerin | zu22: wtf are you trying to upgrade from sarge to sid? |
| 03:38.11 | zu22 | simonrvn: i lvoe walking but i need orthotics for my shoes :( |
| 03:38.15 | Guerin | zu22: 2.4.27 is sarge - libc 2.5 is sid |
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| 03:38.28 | zu22 | Guerin: no, i've always run testing |
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| 03:38.42 | Guerin | zu22: then you never bothered to upgrade your kernel |
| 03:38.42 | zu22 | guerin: my sources.list is all testing too |
| 03:38.53 | cast|dialup | re: question before. entire router took a dump and now i'm surfing the nets at 9600bps! |
| 03:38.56 | zu22 | Guerin: yup so i am trying to upgrade it now , so how do i get past these warnings? |
| 03:38.58 | Guerin | but at least as of wednesday, testing libc was still 2.3.6 |
| 03:39.12 | Guerin | zu22: hang on |
| 03:39.24 | Guerin | zu22: your sources.list is all testing, but your trying to upgrade? |
| 03:39.28 | Guerin | get your story straight |
| 03:39.28 | simonrvn | !info libc6 testing |
| 03:39.48 | nvz | cast|dialup: welcome to back 1991, enjoy your stay |
| 03:39.51 | zu22 | guerin: ok my sources.list is and always has been testing, i am trying to upgrade my KERNEL only from 2.4.27 to 2.6.18 |
| 03:39.59 | nvz | s/to back/back to/ |
| 03:40.16 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.5-9+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4446 kB, Installed size: 10640 kB |
| 03:40.28 | simonrvn | Guerin: seems not ^^^ |
| 03:40.30 | zu22 | guerin: so how can i allow dpkg to let me proceed and install the new kernel? |
| 03:40.34 | nvz | I would have said an earlier date but there really wasnt much internet to speak of when 9600s were popular |
| 03:41.07 | zu22 | guerin: my testing system is up to date (update/dist-upgrade) |
| 03:41.18 | Guerin | hm, that's a new change |
| 03:41.19 | zu22 | except for those packages it wo-nt let me upgrade |
| 03:41.25 | simonrvn | must be recent, like coupla days |
| 03:41.47 | Guerin | zu22: aptitude -f install |
| 03:42.01 | Guerin | zu22: it will suggest ways of bringing it up to date |
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| 03:42.18 | zu22 | Guerin: tried that, i am stuck in catch-22, it tells me i need 2.6.x kernel to upgrade libc6 |
| 03:42.25 | zu22 | Guerin: i dont know about pinning etc.. |
| 03:42.42 | zu22 | WARNING: POSIX threads library NPTL requires kernel version 2.6.1 or later. If you use a kernel 2.4, please upgrade it |
| 03:42.51 | zu22 | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.5-9+b1_i386.deb |
| 03:43.15 | zu22 | so what can i do?? |
| 03:43.20 | Guerin | zu22: now that it's partially installed, installing the 2.6 kernel should allow it to finish |
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| 03:44.47 | zu22 | Guerin: i just tried doing "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686" now and it is telling me those same errors about "following packages have unmet dependencies, binutils, libc6-dev, locales" |
| 03:45.17 | zu22 | and it borks from the install of new kernel so how should i proceed? |
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| 03:46.25 | Guerin | zu22: do them all on one line |
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| 03:46.38 | zu22 | guerin: ok does it matter the package order? |
| 03:46.40 | blem_deb | goti |
| 03:46.51 | Guerin | zu22: you may also just have to uninstall the old kernel and go freeballing without a kernel for a while |
| 03:47.02 | Guerin | which is perfectly sane if you don't have a power cut |
| 03:47.10 | Guerin | zu22: shouldn't matter |
| 03:47.22 | zu22 | Guerin: ah ok, cool it is downloading the kernel image now |
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| 03:48.09 | zu22 | Guerin: i rolled my own 2.6.18 kernel package but had some issues with it so the debian-user list suggested i try a stock kernel package (my /dev/ttyS0 was missing, got weird ide/ATAPi erorr on my /dev/hdc) |
| 03:48.59 | zu22 | Guerin: i prolly chose wrong options in my .config , will have to set down and go through it all over again next time i roll my own, took me 3 hours lol! |
| 03:49.31 | Guerin | yes, copnfiguring kernels is hard and mostly pointless |
| 03:49.36 | Decepticon | i have this spare machine i put debian on it. i put f@h on it... what else can i do on it, i dont think i have any use for it, anyone have any ideas for it |
| 03:49.42 | Guerin | and contrary to popular belief, doesn't teach you anything |
| 03:49.46 | zu22 | ah heh |
| 03:49.58 | Guerin | Decepticon: leave it off and save power |
| 03:50.04 | zu22 | ya |
| 03:50.07 | Decepticon | Guerin i dont pay power bills |
| 03:50.17 | zu22 | it just took a heck of a lot of my spare time i learned :) |
| 03:50.22 | Guerin | Decepticon: i don't mean `save money', I mean `save power' |
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| 03:50.32 | zu22 | Decepticon: reduce global warming, be responsible world citizen :) |
| 03:50.35 | Decepticon | hmm |
| 03:51.00 | Decepticon | im at odds... should i help cure cancer or save the earth by reducing global warming |
| 03:51.15 | Decepticon | i cant decide |
| 03:51.15 | andre_ | yaaaaaaaaaaaaa turn off your pc and save hydro |
| 03:51.26 | dotCOMmie | ROlling your own kernels is the way to go.. |
| 03:51.35 | Guerin | andre_: hydro, contrary to popular belief, isn't ecologically-neutral |
| 03:52.36 | zu22 | dotCOMmie: why do u think so? |
| 03:52.36 | Guerin | Decepticon: bollocks. It normally causes hassles for little to no gain. In some specialised cases, fine, but not as a matter of course. |
| 03:52.36 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:52.36 | dotCOMmie | zu22: because all my hardware works |
| 03:52.37 | Guerin | dotCOMmie: ↑ |
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| 03:52.37 | Decepticon | how'd you do that arrow |
| 03:52.42 | vipersniper | I've added my username to a group, but I'm told that I need to logout and back in before that can take effect |
| 03:52.46 | Guerin | !arrows |
| 03:52.50 | zu22 | ANSI control character |
| 03:53.03 | vipersniper | is there away around this |
| 03:53.21 | dotCOMmie | vipersniper: su yourself? |
| 03:53.24 | Guerin | !arrows is to get nifty arrows and other things, use rxvt-unicode-ml; hold and release shift+ctrl and hit random keys |
| 03:53.24 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 03:53.42 | Guerin | vipersniper: newgrp |
| 03:53.56 | Guerin | dpkg: i don't think su is a login shell |
| 03:53.56 | dpkg | Guerin: what are you talking about? |
| 03:54.00 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:54.06 | Guerin | dotCOMmie: ↑ |
| 03:54.41 | dotCOMmie | Guerin: nevermind your solution is better |
| 03:54.52 | dotCOMmie | Guerin: I was thinking su $LOGNAME |
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| 03:55.12 | zu22 | btw i flashed my serial modem to v.90 (was running v.34) and assembled a decent init string and it now rocks :) |
| 03:55.12 | dotCOMmie | $LOGUSER |
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| 03:55.26 | zu22 | thank God for flashable firmware |
| 03:55.29 | Guerin | zu22: as much as a 56k modem can rock |
| 03:55.40 | zu22 | Guerin: true :) |
| 03:55.46 | Guerin | which is to say, not very fucking much |
| 03:55.54 | simonrvn | su isn't su - is |
| 03:55.55 | Guerin | about as much as ... say ... Green Day |
| 03:55.56 | zu22 | heh |
| 03:56.26 | zu22 | Guerin: indeed, since i am into classical music Green Day does not rock very much for me :P |
| 03:56.41 | zu22 | Guerin: i'll take some Bach pipe organ woo! |
| 03:56.54 | Guerin | bach had rock, indeed |
| 03:56.59 | zu22 | shake the house, literally :D |
| 03:58.07 | nvz | Guerin: greenday rocks pretty hard for a band that only knows 3 chords |
| 03:58.53 | Greyscale | lole |
| 03:58.53 | nvz | I'm surprised they could make as much music as they did without any talent |
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| 03:59.25 | Guerin | nvz: bullshit. Compared to other bands which only know 3 chords (pistols, stooges, buzzcocks, ramones, etc) they're limp-wristed poofters |
| 03:59.43 | moshii | Is there a way of running xrandr on server startup? I can't use xinerama anymore.. and it's a pita to have to run it everytime :/ |
| 03:59.52 | Guerin | moshii: .xsession? |
| 04:00.16 | moshii | Guerin: hmm need it before kdm comes up |
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| 04:00.28 | Guerin | moshii: solution: don't use kdm |
| 04:00.54 | moshii | Guerin: I like my pretty login box! |
| 04:01.22 | Guerin | moshii: kdm probably uses an xsession someplace, whicyh you could edit |
| 04:01.31 | Guerin | no guesses as to where it might be |
| 04:02.02 | simonrvn | can you believe this, we have one day for "National Aboriginal Day" but a *month* in the 'u.s.' |
| 04:02.06 | moshii | actually, thinking about IIRC there is a kdmrc somewhere |
| 04:02.10 | simonrvn | </ot> |
| 04:02.25 | simonrvn | anyway, bbl ;) |
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| 04:04.17 | nvz | simonrvn: we have a lot to make up for, since we kind of abolished all our native land |
| 04:04.34 | Guerin | not that the canadians are much better |
| 04:05.32 | simonrvn | actually, it's still unceded since the treaties we're broken. the other party violated the contract so you're sitting on Native land ;) |
| 04:06.24 | Decepticon | question: i have some .desktop files in my ~/Desktop (gnome on etch) what use are they? they dont seem to be anything to do with the icons on my desktop |
| 04:07.11 | Guerin | Decepticon: a .desktop file is a short-cut or app loader |
| 04:07.25 | Guerin | they're a particularly retarded and insecure thing, too |
| 04:08.17 | simonrvn | Guerin: no actually up here in some ways they're worse |
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| 04:08.18 | Decepticon | they have wierd names like larry-32983a4f.desktop |
| 04:08.18 | Guerin | simonrvn: yeh. THough nobody beats the Aussies. |
| 04:08.18 | Guerin | Decepticon: delete 'em |
| 04:08.18 | Guerin | nothing will stop working without them |
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| 04:09.32 | Decepticon | ah i see, theyre the shortcuts on my desktop, but have wierd names in reality as they sit in my ~/Desktop folder |
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| 04:12.04 | andre_ | does debian have selinux embeded |
| 04:12.28 | simonrvn | debian kernels have it enabled, and stuff is built with it linked |
| 04:12.56 | en1gma | hey all i have quake 3 installed on my windows drive (it was installed when i was running windows) now i am in linux and have that windows drive mounted....what do i need to be able to start quake3 and play? |
| 04:13.03 | simonrvn | well, built in - for the kernels, but not enabled per se. you have to set it up |
| 04:13.23 | moshii | en1gma: might be worth looking at the pages on the id website no? |
| 04:13.34 | Decepticon | en1gma try with wine |
| 04:13.48 | en1gma | they tell you how to do it with a fresh install....im installed already |
| 04:13.52 | simonrvn | Guerin: so i hear |
| 04:13.53 | moshii | Decepticon: There is a native doom3 port |
| 04:13.59 | en1gma | at least in windows its installed and updated |
| 04:14.02 | Decepticon | oh i see |
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| 04:14.32 | moshii | en1gma: I think I used a native installer from Id when I had it running.. |
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| 04:15.08 | samuel | sup all |
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| 04:15.30 | samuel | what CDs do i need for a basic gnome desktop? CD 1 ? |
| 04:15.31 | en1gma | moshii im dloading this right now (but im already patched in windows so im not sure what its going to do ) linuxq3apoint-1.32b-3.x86.run |
| 04:15.44 | en1gma | omg im in debian sid amd64 |
| 04:15.48 | en1gma | hope it works ok |
| 04:16.22 | moshii | en1gma: you should be able to unpack the linux binaries into your windows install.. Id stuff is pretty good like that |
| 04:16.22 | Acu | I have a NTFS HDD - I cannot write to it - is any way to write to a NTFS? -- I cannot format it either - I tried to use Disk Manager - any suggestions ? |
| 04:16.36 | moshii | Acu: you can write to ntfs but it's slow |
| 04:16.43 | moshii | Acu: or dangerous.. |
| 04:17.01 | Acu | moshii: how do I format it (I use Debian Etch) |
| 04:17.02 | Guerin | Acu: nuke it. Use cfdisk, followed by mkfs |
| 04:17.12 | moshii | en1gma: you might have problems with needing some 32bit libraries |
| 04:17.27 | en1gma | i think i have all the ia32 libs |
| 04:17.29 | aredhel | en1gma, http://ioquake3.org/ gets you the linux binary |
| 04:17.34 | en1gma | thanks |
| 04:18.09 | Acu | mariabis |
| 04:18.24 | Guerin | badgers |
| 04:18.25 | moshii | en1gma: IIRC Id shipped some versions of Doom3 with the linux install built in.. mine is back in the uk but I'm sure there's tux or something on the box |
| 04:18.44 | Acu | guerin: is any GUI to use cfdisk ? |
| 04:19.00 | Guerin | Acu: cfdisk *is* a gui, ffs |
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| 04:19.22 | Guerin | you can try something like [gk]parted |
| 04:19.39 | Guerin | or is that {g,qt} |
| 04:19.51 | tiiiam | Yeah |
| 04:20.04 | Acu | Guering: oh thanks - however I remember I could use Qparted or Gparted |
| 04:20.26 | Rusty1 | Acu is there anything on the NTFS partition that you need to keep? |
| 04:20.47 | moshii | Acu: the included fdisk isn't all that hard to use.. |
| 04:20.56 | en1gma | moshii yea i ran doom3 and quake 4 on linux and its smooth but Q3 iirc has some wierd way of working |
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| 04:20.59 | Acu | Rusty1: no I transfered everything to another disk |
| 04:21.40 | Rusty1 | Acu perhaps reformat it as FAT and avoid issues? |
| 04:21.57 | moshii | en1gma: doom3 had fecked up sound on my system, so I had to play it with sound disabled which sort of killed the effect. |
| 04:22.44 | moshii | Rusty1: of ext2/3 which you can get a windows driver for |
| 04:22.47 | Acu | Rusty1: this is what I am going to do - I have Gparted - however I now QTparted can deal better with NTFS |
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| 04:23.42 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 04:23.53 | Guerin | they're just different GUIs over the same backend |
| 04:24.18 | moshii | Guerin: QTparted can handle ntfs resizing etc iirc |
| 04:24.40 | Guerin | moshii: which is pointless if he's formatting |
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| 04:24.55 | en1gma | ./dev/mapper/nvidia_jdcagaij1 /media/raid ntfs rw 0 0 <<<how do i make this line so all users can read and write to that drive |
| 04:25.00 | Rusty1 | Acu whatevr, unless you are planning to install a M$ os on the partition, NTFS is better avoided in favor of FAt , which iplays nice with linux or ms |
| 04:25.03 | en1gma | thats in fstab |
| 04:25.12 | moshii | Guerin: yup, but it makes it a slight bit more than just a gui |
| 04:25.40 | Guerin | not really |
| 04:25.44 | Guerin | since parted can do it all |
| 04:26.05 | Guerin | Rusty1: actually, unless you're installing windows, there's no point in EEITHER fat or ntfs |
| 04:26.28 | moshii | Rusty1: but FAT is utter crap. ext2 or ext3 can be read by windows if you need a disk to access on both |
| 04:26.34 | Guerin | why the fuck to people bother with ntfs? |
| 04:26.41 | Guerin | just use a real filesystem, for fuck's sakes |
| 04:26.51 | Guerin | en1gma: man fstab; man mount |
| 04:27.02 | moshii | Guerin: sadly windows doesn't support any |
| 04:27.11 | Guerin | moshii: I'd rather trust linux fat tyhan windows ext2/3 |
| 04:27.22 | Guerin | moshii: so? |
| 04:27.52 | Guerin | moshii: if you need to share files between OSen, live with the crapness of fat, or the insane difficulty of samba |
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| 04:28.28 | moshii | Guerin: the ext driver doesn't come from windows and is pretty stable. |
| 04:28.43 | Guerin | moshii: it's not the driver I'd worry about. |
| 04:29.00 | Guerin | since it's necessarily free software |
| 04:29.16 | pyenos | bbbbreak it down |
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| 04:29.30 | Guerin | pyenos: #teenchat is ---> thataway |
| 04:29.50 | moshii | Guerin: I'd worry about storing data on fat filesystems ^^ |
| 04:30.09 | Guerin | moshii: why? It's known to be very stable, barring power loss. |
| 04:33.14 | moshii | Guerin: and pukes on things like slightly bad disks, small corruptions from bad linux storage drivers.. |
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| 04:36.04 | moshii | anyone that has drives attached to some via creation should avoid crappy filesystems at cost. |
| 04:36.47 | Acu | most strange things happen: Gparted does not even start (crappy as always), cfdisk shows only the bootable disk, and QTParted is not found by searching trough Synaptic Package Manager - I thought the QTparted will always be somewhere in any of the main non-free contrib repositories |
| 04:37.24 | pyenos | what is Gpart and Qpart |
| 04:38.10 | moshii | Acu: kotoko:/home/daniel# apt-cache search qtparted ... qtparted - A parted frontend using QT |
| 04:38.18 | sobersabre | guys. A Q: I have a disk, and I've extended one of it's partitions forward. |
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| 04:38.27 | pyenos | what is AQ? |
| 04:38.28 | sobersabre | will extending it backwards work ? |
| 04:38.38 | tiiiam | A question? |
| 04:38.50 | moshii | sobersabre: you want to reduce the size on the filesystem |
| 04:38.51 | sobersabre | I mean moving start of the partition. |
| 04:39.15 | Acu | pyenos: they are tools to create resize reformat partitions - QTParted does it the best |
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| 04:39.22 | sobersabre | no I want to increase the size of the partition, by moving its start back. |
| 04:39.35 | pyenos | Acu: ok... |
| 04:39.43 | sobersabre | moun |
| 04:39.47 | sobersabre | hm... |
| 04:39.49 | sobersabre | :) |
| 04:39.54 | moshii | sobersabre: depends on the fs.. I'm not sure you can grow most fs that way |
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| 04:40.45 | moshii | sobersabre: reiser will probably be able to handle it, it can do online resizing o_O |
| 04:40.49 | Acu | sobersabre: you can move where it starts or begin the partition using QTParted - so far I used QTparted only with KNOPPIX , so I could shrink the windows partitions and install for dual boot linux in the newwly freed space |
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| 04:41.26 | kuser | Hey.. |
| 04:41.37 | Acu | howver now I have already Debian Etch and I want to reformat an NTFS hdd so I can properly access it |
| 04:41.46 | kuser | I use Debian Etch. and when I enable desktop effects I get the following error |
| 04:41.57 | kuser | The Composite extension is not available |
| 04:42.15 | moshii | sobersabre: you probably should dd the partition somewhere, change the partition table, zero the area, dd the partition back to the new offset, fsck and then grow it into the end of the partition |
| 04:42.48 | moshii | Acu: do you just want to access it under debian? |
| 04:43.07 | moshii | kuser: you need to enable it in your xorg.conf |
| 04:43.21 | kuser | how do I do that ? |
| 04:43.55 | moshii | kuser: you google for exactly would you said.. |
| 04:44.02 | kuser | ok |
| 04:44.06 | moshii | kuser: s/would/what/ |
| 04:44.09 | Acu | moshii: I can access it - however I cannot write or delete - I just found now some NTFSprogs which seem to allow such things - |
| 04:44.44 | Acu | however, I want to format it to alleviate extra - neurons spent |
| 04:44.50 | moshii | Acu: What I'm saying is, if you just want to access it under debian you're best making a new filesystem on it with ext3,xfs or something |
| 04:45.21 | moshii | Acu: if you need to access it in windows you're limited to crippled-NTFS, FAT or ext2/3 |
| 04:45.29 | witless | are there tools that work like adduser to do account management on a system authenticating via ldap? |
| 04:45.38 | kuser | ok.. I`ll restart X and try again |
| 04:45.52 | moshii | witless: there are tools within debian ldap suite.. |
| 04:46.42 | Acu | moshii: no, this is strictly Debian Workstation - only that I had this 160Gb HDD in an external case - now I put it inside the box (is an IDE) |
| 04:46.50 | moshii | witless: ldapscripts I think |
| 04:47.06 | witless | moshii: thanks |
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| 04:47.31 | moshii | Acu: ok, so you should format it with a decent fs and forget it ever had NTFS on it |
| 04:48.25 | moshii | Acu: mkfs.ext3 or similar will do that for you. |
| 04:52.00 | furrywolf | I'm beginning to think this motherboard is hosed... now not only won't it boot from cd, but it won't enter the bios setup if it's warmed up. |
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| 04:53.36 | nvz | !+info gimpshop |
| 04:53.37 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:54.27 | dpkg | Package 'gimpshop' does not exist. |
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| 04:58.46 | sobersabre | ok growing the partition back is not working. |
| 04:58.52 | sobersabre | thanks, byebye |
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| 04:59.26 | elpargo | hi how can I force apt et all to redeploy config files for a package to /etc |
| 04:59.51 | Guerin | elpargo: as opposed to where? |
| 05:00.04 | Guerin | elpargo: all config files SHOULD be in /etc, except in very specialised cases |
| 05:00.43 | elpargo | no I'm not referring to change /etc I want to overwrite /etc with the defaults |
| 05:01.11 | Guerin | elpargo: man dpkg, see `reinstall' |
| 05:01.39 | nvz | I still havent figured out a way using my wm or the gimp to allow me to tell say GQview to edit these 20 photos and let me, oh I don't know.. actualy fucking do that while the others are loading.. |
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| 05:02.36 | nvz | Idk going to look for a simpler program than the gimp I guess |
| 05:02.59 | Guerin | what are you wanting to edit?> |
| 05:03.12 | Guerin | i mean, what changes do you want to make? |
| 05:03.23 | elpargo | Guerin, there is no reinstall target I see -purge flag but that will delete the package as a whole. |
| 05:03.24 | nvz | photos.. I often do batch crop/rotate/resize type stuff.. for slideshows |
| 05:03.48 | nvz | I got a mogrify script to do the resize but the crop/rotate I have to see each image to do |
| 05:03.51 | Guerin | elpargo: that will do it. Perhaps it's apt* which has --reinstall |
| 05:04.16 | elpargo | but apt's doesn't restores config |
| 05:04.35 | nvz | the more photos I am doing the more of a PIMA the gimp is.. with all its extra keystrokes and waste of my time with its elaborate load/save proceedure and tool dialogs |
| 05:04.39 | Guerin | elpargo: purge and reinstall then |
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| 05:05.09 | furrywolf | it just hangs if I try entering the bios setup... and the cpu heatsink gets ice cold, so it's not actually doing anything... |
| 05:05.10 | nvz | I know exactly what I am going to do.. I am going to crop all files to the same ratio on the subject of the photo, might need to rotate to make it fit.. then I am gonna run them all through mogrify |
| 05:05.16 | elpargo | what if the package is a meta? will it go down the structure? |
| 05:05.47 | Guerin | elpargo: if it's a metapackage, it has no config files so there's no point in reinstallingt it for that reason |
| 05:05.53 | nvz | doing it with like a dozen or so with gimp isnt bad.. but 50 or so is a real aggrivation cause its slow and painful with the gimp |
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| 05:06.57 | Sweetandy | Is there a way to have a completely transparent xterm? |
| 05:07.05 | elpargo | Guerin, so I need to do it on the lower package. |
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| 05:07.23 | nvz | if gimp would even just have a freakin workspace so I can use my time doing something else while its poping up 100 windows to load 50 photos that would make it less of a hassle. |
| 05:07.29 | zu22 | nvz: maybe you can find another tool since you only want to do a few specific operations, the gimp is cool but it has tons of features and in this case it may be like using a chainsaw to open a can of soup heh |
| 05:07.53 | nvz | zu22: yeah that's what I am thinking at this point gimp isnt the right tool for batch editing |
| 05:08.37 | Guerin | i think there's also a patched gimp with a not-so-shit UI |
| 05:09.12 | Guerin | how irony that the gnometards haven't managed to pare it down to one menu with three options yet |
| 05:09.20 | nvz | hah |
| 05:10.05 | nvz | zu22: I wish I could do gui coding. I want something that has a simplistic feel like the WindowsXP image viewer, where I just hit the arrows, it already has the crop box up there with the specific ratio allowing me to grow/shrink it within ratio, and move it, rotating the underlying image if nessacary then just hit next |
| 05:10.16 | nvz | should batch crop, rotate, resize, and save and load next image |
| 05:10.36 | nvz | but that would be in a perfect world |
| 05:10.48 | elpargo | Guerin, how can I find out to which package a file belongs to? |
| 05:10.55 | nvz | where I can setup hundreds of same-sized images for a slideshow in the least ammount of time |
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| 05:22.48 | nvz | I seriously need to get my desk back or at least some kind of freakin table.. there is just no comfortable way to sit on a daybed and use a pc which is basically sitting on the floor.. heh |
| 05:23.14 | Guerin | elpargo: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:23.14 | nvz | the tower is actually on some kid of little pc dolly thing I got somewhere and the monitor is on top |
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| 05:24.01 | furrywolf | for some reason my etch netinst cd is trying to download lenny... |
| 05:24.01 | elpargo | I finally got to delete the dir manually because for some reason the package didn't uninstalled it. |
| 05:24.06 | nvz | I can't really imagine this pc dolly being useful for anything practical aside from essentially being the case of my shitty pc. |
| 05:24.14 | Acu | so it seem that QTParted was excluded from Debian packages - pity as it was the best (at least for me) |
| 05:25.09 | nvz | anything QT couldnt have been the best :P |
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| 05:26.03 | nvz | not only is QT a fugly toolkit but apps designed with it are usually impossibly ignorant to use |
| 05:26.32 | cahoot | ignorant? |
| 05:26.56 | nvz | yeah the behavior of the widgets is counter-intuitive to say the least |
| 05:27.21 | Tortel | grr, i typed ping www.google.com |
| 05:27.26 | Tortel | and now it wont stop |
| 05:27.27 | Tortel | :( |
| 05:27.32 | nvz | Tortel: ctrl+c |
| 05:28.01 | nvz | I've been using pcs for over a decade and can usually sit down and figure out just about any applications interface with a glance.. but QT apps just puzzle the shit out of me |
| 05:28.11 | nvz | seems more so the actual KDE ones |
| 05:28.14 | Tortel | nvs: i probably should have known that... |
| 05:28.34 | nvz | Tortel: yeah you probably should have known about the -c option and reading the manual too |
| 05:28.37 | Acu | nvz: what do you mean - look now I have pulled out from dust an old Knoppix (I think 4.2) booted the Debian box on Knoppix - start QTParted and voila - my NTFS partition was erased and reformated with EXT3 - I spent one hour or more trying to figure out what to do in Debian - there are some tools which cannot be replaced (another one which is missing is the Cinellera) there is no replacement for it |
| 05:29.16 | cahoot | Acu: it's all about personal preferences |
| 05:29.23 | nvz | Acu: QTparted is hardly required to do a mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 |
| 05:29.41 | m1ke_2 | you booted a livecd to format disk? |
| 05:29.44 | nvz | thats a simple command to issue from the shell QTParted is overkill |
| 05:29.49 | Guerin | Acu: cinelerra has patent problems |
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| 05:30.57 | Acu | nvz: of course you could do it trough text interface, but I have a word, that what you know is too easy and what you do not know is too difficult (or almost imposible) that is for computers |
| 05:31.19 | furrywolf | so this is odd... why is my netinst cd, burned from debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso, trying to install lenny? |
| 05:31.44 | Acu | Guerin: OK, I did not know - but what is the alternative? |
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| 05:33.31 | nvz | hmm apt-cache search image editor that does not suck, doesnt return anything. |
| 05:33.38 | nvz | heh |
| 05:33.52 | nvz | damn! where's the freakin easy button? |
| 05:34.43 | Acu | nvz: what are you looking for ? |
| 05:34.51 | moshii | nvz: waht exactly do you want to do? |
| 05:34.58 | Acu | go to synaptic package manager and to a search |
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| 05:35.21 | moshii | Acu: synaptic isn't installed by default.. |
| 05:35.43 | Acu | nvz: in synaptic manage manager is the "freaky easy button" |
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| 05:36.11 | Acu | moshii: if you choose workstation it is |
| 05:36.35 | Acu | almost 99% I use synaptic package manager for my installs |
| 05:36.41 | Acu | and it is installed |
| 05:36.45 | moshii | Acu: really?? I hope synaptic is a shit load better than the last time I used it then |
| 05:37.19 | moshii | Acu: aptitude is in base and is probably just as functional |
| 05:37.29 | Acu | moshii: there are only three buttons you need to remember : reload, search and apply |
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| 05:37.56 | nvz | I want to prep images for slideshow at a specific size. currently i am selecting them in gqview and hitting edit in gimp to crop them to a certain ratio on the subject and rotating if needed. Then going back to gqview and running them all through a mogrify to size them |
| 05:37.56 | cahoot | no easy button? |
| 05:38.09 | Acu | I have no problem at all with synaptic, it is easy and it allows me to browse trough applications before installing |
| 05:38.47 | nvz | the problem is if I select many images and hit edit in the gimp I can't begin working until they all load cause they will pop up in front of me, I have to hit a million stupid extra buttons to save, especially if I rotate.. etc its just a mess |
| 05:39.13 | moshii | nvz: you can't script something up? |
| 05:39.32 | nvz | I was just checking out "display" but the crop function on that doesnt tell me the aspect ratio of the crop and if the ratio isnt right then the mogrify is going to screw up the proportion of the image |
| 05:40.26 | nvz | moshii: no I got to be able to see the images. If I take a bunch of pictures of people walking their dogs, and want to do a slideshow on the dogs, I got to crop/rotate them all accordingly to focus on the dog and make them fit in the desired destination resolution |
| 05:40.52 | nvz | moshii: the parts that can be scripted (the resize) I've already scripted |
| 05:41.13 | nvz | but the crop to the proper ratio to make sure the resize doesnt distort the image has to be done manually |
| 05:41.31 | nvz | and sometimes to get a crop of a subject in that ratio it must be rotated |
| 05:43.02 | moshii | you really need to be able to flick through the images, mouse in the settings, and then have it done in batch.. batch operations are badly lacking in gimp :( |
| 05:43.14 | nvz | no crap :P |
| 05:43.18 | nvz | this is my beef |
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| 05:43.57 | luckyshot | Hey guys, what is the latest release of debian? |
| 05:44.05 | moshii | nvz: run photoshop 30 day trial in wine? |
| 05:44.09 | moshii | nvz: :P |
| 05:44.12 | nvz | that first I got the damn progress from the load and the image windows poping up in my damn face so I cant start working, then I gotta point and grunt at a bunch of stuff, then when I close the window it asks me do I want to save, and if I rotated, do I want to export.. blah.. I just want to get on with the next image |
| 05:44.13 | moshii | luckyshot: etch |
| 05:44.31 | luckyshot | moshii, is it 4.0? |
| 05:44.34 | Acu | nvz: if you have few extra neurons - there is a java based program called ImageJ it seem deceiveingly simple but there are hundreds of plugins and is fully customizable - just do a search ImageJ NIH on google |
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| 05:44.39 | moshii | luckyshot: yar |
| 05:44.48 | nvz | moshii: I'm beginning to think applescript was a good idea right about now.. and thats scary |
| 05:44.49 | Acu | it is used for Biomedical research and MRI imaging |
| 05:44.54 | nvz | heh |
| 05:45.15 | luckyshot | moshii, i have a duo core processor - which one do i need? |
| 05:45.26 | moshii | nvz: maybe you could site gimp in a shell loop so that it opens one image, you do your changes, it dies, loads the next |
| 05:45.52 | Acu | nvz: there are around 1000 people working on it (or different plugins) |
| 05:45.57 | moshii | luckyshot: the kernels are smp by default now, so get the right one for you arch.. if it's a PC it's i386 |
| 05:46.06 | nvz | moshii: that just makes it take longer. thats what I got gqview doing.. batch loading them with gimp-remote |
| 05:46.17 | luckyshot | moshii, is this the latest one? ftp://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-dvd |
| 05:46.27 | moshii | luckyshot: if it's a mac it's either i386 or ppc.. if it's an amiga it could be m68k or ppc.. |
| 05:46.44 | moshii | luckyshot: yeah |
| 05:46.48 | luckyshot | im on an intel |
| 05:46.52 | luckyshot | okay, thank you :) |
| 05:47.05 | luckyshot | moshii, why is it 3 dvds? |
| 05:47.20 | moshii | luckyshot: you'd probably be wise getting only the first CD |
| 05:47.32 | luckyshot | okay |
| 05:47.35 | luckyshot | thank you for your help |
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| 05:48.02 | nvz | Acu: I;m looking over the site.. but so far I'm not liking the idea its java based and fugly |
| 05:48.09 | moshii | luckyshot: debian has a lot of software, 20,000 or something packages now, the CD/DVDs are useful if you don't have a internet connection I suppose |
| 05:48.26 | luckyshot | moshii, makes sense |
| 05:48.28 | luckyshot | :) |
| 05:48.42 | Acu | nvz: is is not gorgeous but hairy powerfull |
| 05:48.58 | Acu | look at the plugins for ImageJ |
| 05:48.59 | moshii | luckyshot: the first CD has the most popular packages on it ^^ |
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| 05:49.41 | luckyshot | moshii, awesome... im actually a suse user but after the MS deal i decided to run away from it - is Debian any better? |
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| 05:50.15 | thedonvaughn | luckyshot, in my opinion almost every distro is better than suse |
| 05:50.18 | thedonvaughn | but what do i know :) |
| 05:50.23 | luckyshot | hehe |
| 05:50.35 | moshii | luckyshot: dunno, debian was my first distro.. and last it seems |
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| 05:50.58 | nvz | Acu: yeah that's what I'm looking at and not seeing anything useful to me. like you said its a NIH project |
| 05:51.01 | luckyshot | Yeah, Debian seems pretty nice from the looks of it |
| 05:51.26 | Acu | luckyshot: Debian is like a Disassembled space shuttle - if you have the patience and long life to put with it (with a bit of masochist ) |
| 05:51.36 | Guerin | ah, bollocks |
| 05:51.43 | nvz | Acu: I'm looking for batch editing just something that lets me flip through images quickly doing simple repetitive tasks like a script with eyeballs and a brain |
| 05:52.07 | Guerin | it's like driving a car with manual transmission instead of automatic - you need to learn some new skills, then it's easy as pie |
| 05:52.08 | luckyshot | Acu, so the GUI isnt very user friendly? |
| 05:52.16 | Acu | i know a problam which has eye but no brain Picasa from Google |
| 05:52.20 | Guerin | luckyshot: don't listen to him, he's full of shit |
| 05:52.20 | moshii | luckyshot: Debian is the only os where you aren't hand held aside from the BSDs realy :) |
| 05:52.35 | moshii | luckyshot: s/realy/really/ |
| 05:52.41 | thedonvaughn | luckyshot, there isn't really a "gui" you install what you want. |
| 05:52.56 | Guerin | moshii: and gentoo, and slackware, and LFS, and the commercial uniices |
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| 05:53.16 | Guerin | can you fuckwits please try to not be so stupid? If you don't know about something, it's wise not to talk about it. |
| 05:53.18 | luckyshot | thedonvaughn, so there isnt gnome or anything? |
| 05:53.31 | Guerin | luckyshot: of course there is |
| 05:53.32 | thedonvaughn | luckyshot, no there |
| 05:53.35 | thedonvaughn | er no there is |
| 05:53.40 | moshii | Guerin: commercial uniices have hand holding tech support, gentoo has fanatic kiddie hand holders |
| 05:53.46 | nvz | luckyshot: GNOME, XFCE, and KDE are all packaged for debian |
| 05:53.48 | luckyshot | okay, im seriously hgetting so confused here |
| 05:53.55 | Acu | luckyshot: the GUI is very user friendly - the installation needs bare IQ (around 70) and a bare knowledge of any of the 150 official languages |
| 05:54.03 | Guerin | luckyshot: that's because you're listening to the idiots |
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| 05:54.06 | thedonvaughn | luckyshot, just meant there is no "debian GUI" :) some run gnome, some run xfce, some run window maker, some run kde... so on and so on |
| 05:54.21 | Guerin | luckyshot: debian installs a fairly basic system by default, then you install other stuff as you see fit |
| 05:54.38 | nvz | luckyshot: what they are trying to tell you is that debian is an os of freedom of choice things arent by large determined for you |
| 05:54.42 | Acu | Debian is like a gorgeous untainted blue eye dark skin girl |
| 05:54.46 | moshii | Guerin: I thought etch by default selected a very less than basic system.. |
| 05:54.46 | Guerin | luckyshot: fortunately, doing so is easier than on any other OS, bar none. |
| 05:54.57 | thedonvaughn | and so far the only idiot in this channel I see is Guerin |
| 05:55.02 | Guerin | moshii: you clearly haven't installed it in a while. Like, since about 2003. |
| 05:55.10 | nvz | Acu: I like girls with green eyes, and light skin.. heh |
| 05:55.18 | nvz | but debian is still the shit |
| 05:55.23 | Guerin | luckyshot: please keep it in-channel |
| 05:55.24 | moshii | Guerin: um, it selects the desktop task by default I believe |
| 05:55.33 | Guerin | moshii: it does. |
| 05:55.35 | Acu | nvz: and dark hair |
| 05:55.49 | moshii | Guerin: and no, none of the 30 or 40 debian machines I run has been reinstalled since 2003.. |
| 05:57.00 | Guerin | moshii: this is also one of the benefits of running debian ;) |
| 05:57.00 | dragonfly | ok, so I'm getting this server: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2908009&Sku=V133-6123 and am going to run Debian on it...but do I use amd64 or ia64...i believe the processors are made by intel, but i recall reading somewhere that it is recommended to use the amd64 for any 64 bit processor |
| 05:57.00 | nvz | Acu: eh, I like redish brown hair, don't care for blond or black :P |
| 05:57.03 | mmlj4 | s/green eyes, and light skin/three eyes, and green skin/ |
| 05:57.04 | soblue | I'm trying to set up gobby (a collaborative editing program) to work on Debian through my 2Wire gateway. I'm not sure where the problem lies, but when myself and others try to connect to my IP, all we get is a "connecting..." message. any thoughts here? |
| 05:57.04 | luckyshot | Guerin, which one of these are more graphical and nice to the eye and which one of these are the best for coding? GNOME, XFCE, and KDE |
| 05:57.04 | Supaplex | flwm! haha haa! |
| 05:57.06 | moshii | Guerin: so by default debian is currently installing a lot more than base, unless you tell it not to |
| 05:57.06 | Guerin | luckyshot: try them all and see - switching between them is trivial |
| 05:57.06 | nvz | mmlj4: damn, what planet are you from? |
| 05:57.07 | Supaplex | !start a wm war |
| 05:57.07 | dpkg | CDE makes me vomit! |
| 05:57.07 | moshii | Guerin: I think this is also the default for the d-i images |
| 05:57.07 | mmlj4 | ;-) |
| 05:57.07 | Guerin | moshii: yes, it installs most of gnome and some other stuff |
| 05:57.17 | luckyshot | Guerin, ive tried them all but XFCE, is that more graphical then KDE? |
| 05:57.29 | Guerin | luckyshot: no, it's much lighter |
| 05:57.34 | moshii | Guerin: so we've become like all the other distro's with a "GUI" the horror |
| 05:57.35 | luckyshot | okay |
| 05:57.37 | mmlj4 | gnome? what idiot used that? # oh, wait... |
| 05:57.53 | moshii | luckyshot: XFCE is lightweight |
| 05:58.01 | nvz | luckyshot: XFCE is designed to be very light weight while still providing a complete desktop environment |
| 05:58.11 | Guerin | the default install weighs in about 1-2G. Compare to fedorat, mandrivel, etc at about 5G and you see what I mean by basic |
| 05:58.15 | moshii | luckyshot: personally, I like kde, I don't give a crap about what so-called experts say :P |
| 05:58.32 | Acu | nvz: did you look at Picasa (I am not joking, is very cool) |
| 05:58.47 | nvz | Acu: I've seen picasa and its of no use to me |
| 05:58.49 | CompWizrd | dragonfly: am64, ia64 is only for itanium. |
| 05:58.49 | moshii | Guerin: oh, you see, I think of basic as what debootstrap would create |
| 05:59.00 | Guerin | moshii: that's *minimal* |
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| 05:59.14 | mmlj4 | i figured out KDE was the best available way back in 1999 |
| 05:59.20 | nvz | Acu: I need a batch editor not a web editor.. you keep giving me tools written in portable languages which arent for batch work |
| 05:59.21 | dragonfly | ok, thank you CompWizrd that's what I was thinking but I just wanted a second opinion :D |
| 05:59.44 | luckyshot | Guerin, is there anyway to access my windows drives while on a different partition on debian? |
| 06:00.01 | mmlj4 | luckyshot: um, just mount them |
| 06:00.04 | dragonfly | luckyshot, you just need to mount the other partitions |
| 06:00.14 | CompWizrd | pretty old cpu's in there too |
| 06:00.22 | dragonfly | luckyshot, choosing a gui is all about trying the different ones and using the one that you are more comfortable with |
| 06:00.23 | Guerin | luckyshot: if they're NTFS you'll have trouble writing, but yes, it's not hard. |
| 06:00.27 | luckyshot | okay, onc eim done installing ill come back and ask you guys how to do that |
| 06:00.42 | Greyscale | is there any windowsian MySQL admin? |
| 06:00.42 | mmlj4 | for example, mkdir /mnt/c; mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/c |
| 06:00.46 | moshii | Guerin: I suppose, but I wouldn't say installing gnome is *basic* |
| 06:00.46 | luckyshot | dragonfly, okay |
| 06:00.59 | dragonfly | CompWizrd, what do you mean by pretty old? |
| 06:01.01 | moshii | Guerin: anyhoo, there's no need to go calling people idiots |
| 06:01.06 | Greyscale | nvm. |
| 06:01.07 | Guerin | Greyscale: like mysqladmin? |
| 06:01.09 | Greyscale | found one |
| 06:01.10 | Greyscale | yeah |
| 06:01.12 | CompWizrd | dragonfly: still uses the netburst (p4) core, not c2d |
| 06:01.16 | Greyscale | I found a windowsian build |
| 06:01.26 | nvz | luckyshot: chances are you won't have to ask it will already be done for you |
| 06:01.32 | dragonfly | is that a huge performance diffrerence or is it pretty minor? |
| 06:01.35 | Guerin | moshii: sorry, I disagree when I see people comparing debian to a build-it-yourself spacecraft |
| 06:01.42 | luckyshot | nvz, okay, hopefully |
| 06:02.07 | soblue | Does anyone know how to configure a 2Wire firewall on Debian (so that Debian can work as a server)? |
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| 06:02.29 | Guerin | stylus: wtf is 2wire |
| 06:02.30 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:02.32 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:02.35 | Guerin | soblue: ↑ |
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| 06:02.41 | moshii | Guerin: I think he was trying to express the amount of choice you have with debian.. saying we ship like a 320 cd/dvd images in total would have been better |
| 06:02.44 | Greyscale | 2wire is a manufactuerer |
| 06:02.53 | Greyscale | 2wire is also a serial interface unrelated. |
| 06:02.54 | Guerin | what does it have to do with debian, then? |
| 06:03.13 | nvz | luckyshot: there have been numerous advancements in that area from hardware discovery, to kernel module auto-loading, universal device filesystems and hardware abstraction layers.. if you choose a desktop install its likely you will see you windows drive on your desktop when you login |
| 06:03.17 | dragonfly | soblue, why not just use a router with a firewall in it? |
| 06:04.00 | soblue | dragonfly: I think that's what I have. 2Wire calls it a "gateway" |
| 06:04.00 | nvz | luckyshot: if not, getting it there should be trivial |
| 06:04.00 | SerajewelKS | dragonfly: it's a router/dsl/wifi thing in one, i have one |
| 06:04.16 | SerajewelKS | soblue: just assign the ports you need open on the firewall tab |
| 06:04.16 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: why do they care about the OS behind them? |
| 06:04.24 | thedonvaughn | and calling people idiots and morons, which happens all the time in the "world of debian", is 90% of the reason developers are going thin and the distro is losing users by the day |
| 06:04.27 | Guerin | should it not just be transparent? |
| 06:04.29 | moshii | soblue: for that sort of device you configure your kernel to route through it and anything else is probably done on the device |
| 06:04.34 | dragonfly | soblue, most of the modern day routers/firewalls have a webconfig interface....just type in the ip of the firewall in your browser i.e. 192.168.1.1 or whatever it is |
| 06:04.50 | Guerin | thedonvaughn: if you want to change the culture, please do so |
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| 06:05.34 | Guerin | thedonvaughn: this is a volunteer support channel; become a part of it and be the change you wish for |
| 06:05.34 | moshii | thedonvaughn: how do you know developer numbers are down? |
| 06:05.34 | dragonfly | CompWizrd, how much difference is there between netburst and c2d? |
| 06:05.38 | soblue | SerajewelKS, dragonfly, et al.: I've tried that, but I still can't get anything to work as a server on my Debian box (I haven't tried it on other boxes either...) |
| 06:05.43 | thedonvaughn | moshii, i follow debian mailing list and at any given time you can look at the number of active vs retired debian developers |
| 06:05.57 | CompWizrd | dragonfly: same as between a regular pentium4 and c2d.. those 5050's are a couple years old on technology.. looking for a comparision for you now |
| 06:06.00 | dragonfly | what do u mean you can't get anything to work? |
| 06:06.05 | nvz | thedonvaughn: heh, flamewars is how the social politics of open projects work. and people here are for the most part not directly-related to the project. most of us are humble users who come here to learn about and support the software |
| 06:06.08 | dragonfly | ok, thank you CompWizrd |
| 06:06.10 | Guerin | !advocacy troll |
| 06:06.10 | dpkg | hmm... advocacy troll is a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the submitter!" |
| 06:06.12 | SerajewelKS | soblue: can you access the services internally? |
| 06:06.27 | Guerin | thedonvaughn: that's for you ↑ |
| 06:06.32 | moshii | thedonvaughn: mmm I've submitted a packaging project to alioth this weekend.. so it's not like people are becoming unwilling to work on debian |
| 06:06.42 | nvz | !dstats sarge |
| 06:06.44 | nvz | !dstats lenny |
| 06:06.49 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 20059 packages, 1816 maintainers, 45669 MB installed size, 15402 MB compressed size. |
| 06:06.54 | thedonvaughn | Notice how everyone attacks me when I say calling people idiots and morons publicly is bad? |
| 06:06.58 | thedonvaughn | They always side step the issue |
| 06:07.08 | soblue | SerajewelKS: I have to try that still. I can get them with localhost (loopback), but I haven't tried connecting two computers through the gateway yet |
| 06:07.08 | Guerin | thedonvaughn: i'm not attacking you at all |
| 06:07.20 | dragonfly | soblue, if you have apache running on your server and the server is ip 192.168.1.100 then get on your other box that is on the same lan and type that ip into your browser and see what happens |
| 06:07.20 | Guerin | thedonvaughn: I'm tewlling you how you can make a difference, if you want |
| 06:07.20 | thedonvaughn | Guerin, well you say i'm an advocacy troll |
| 06:07.21 | SerajewelKS | thedonvaughn: some people are morons. why shouldn't they be notified? |
| 06:07.29 | mmlj4 | thedonvaughn: apparently this channel tries to be too friendly and good-natured |
| 06:07.31 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15659 packages, 1473 maintainers, 28178 MB installed size, 8871 MB compressed size. |
| 06:07.36 | Guerin | thedonvaughn: though I suspect that you, like almost everyone else who complains about it, won't bother |
| 06:07.39 | SerajewelKS | soblue: well that's the next step in debugging |
| 06:07.53 | SerajewelKS | soblue: you can't be sure it's the router's fault if it would work on a switched environment |
| 06:08.12 | soblue | SerajewelKS, dragonfly: okay, I'll try that, thanks |
| 06:08.13 | Guerin | thedonvaughn: so from sarge -> lenny, there was a net gain of almost 400 package maintainers ... how is that a reduction? |
| 06:08.15 | SerajewelKS | soblue: rather, you can't be sure it's the router's fault if it fails* on a switched environment |
| 06:08.24 | nvz | thedonvaughn: dpkg reports 1473 package maintainers in sarge and 1816 currently working on lenny, I'd say the developers are up |
| 06:08.27 | thedonvaughn | Guerin, with debian? You're right. While I love it, have used it for nearly 10 years and work with it daily... I wouldn't help the project because I do not like the politics of it all. but it does rock, don't get me wrong. |
| 06:08.28 | dragonfly | !stats etch |
| 06:08.45 | moshii | thedonvaughn: :/ |
| 06:08.46 | Guerin | thedonvaughn: ok. So if you're not prepared to put up, then ... |
| 06:09.02 | dragonfly | !dstats etch |
| 06:09.03 | nvz | dragonfly: /msg dpkg dstats etch |
| 06:09.32 | thedonvaughn | i didn't mean to start a flame. Just stating if you cared more about the distro, don't call people morons. And no I'm not going to change this, I honestly do not care. And obviously neither do you. No biggie and nothing personal. |
| 06:09.43 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18601 packages, 1728 maintainers, 41697 MB installed size, 13733 MB compressed size. |
| 06:10.03 | moshii | thedonvaughn: As I said earlier, Debian doesn't do hand holding and biting people's heads off is part of the culture. |
| 06:10.09 | CompWizrd | dragonfly: http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=woodcrest&page=1 |
| 06:10.14 | nvz | dragonfly: as you will notice contrary to the expressed view earlier maintainers and packages are on a steady rise |
| 06:10.17 | SerajewelKS | thedonvaughn: so you're saying that we need to be more politically correct? |
| 06:10.28 | moshii | thedonvaughn: Anal retentive geek nature is good for packaging quality .. :P |
| 06:10.31 | SerajewelKS | thedonvaughn: you should know by now that most linux users don't give a rat's ass about PC |
| 06:10.31 | thedonvaughn | moshii, yah it is. |
| 06:10.43 | dragonfly | yeah, i just was wondering what the stats looked like for etch b/c we didn't see that before |
| 06:10.55 | thedonvaughn | SerajewelKS, i don't care about politically correct either. |
| 06:11.00 | CompWizrd | dragonfly: they didn't test the 5050, but the 5060 is there |
| 06:11.02 | Guerin | i don't think it's part of the debian culture - it's part of the #debian culture. This was part of the reason why the official channel moved from here to oftc |
| 06:11.08 | CompWizrd | the 51xx is the new c2d based ones |
| 06:11.09 | SerajewelKS | thedonvaughn: there you go then, stop whining |
| 06:11.14 | thedonvaughn | Guerin, good point on that, true. |
| 06:11.26 | thedonvaughn | SerajewelKS, ^^ read above i did. |
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| 06:11.32 | nvz | Guerin: and part of the reason we are all still here :P |
| 06:11.36 | SerajewelKS | thedonvaughn: ok |
| 06:11.45 | michael____ | hey guys i have a problem with my openoffice program... it seems that my language settings has changed cause when i try to save a document and i have to name it... the letters i type to name the file is greek symbols and when i go into the options to see if i can change it the whole options settings is greek symbols ..can someone help me to set the openoffice program back to english or default? |
| 06:11.49 | nvz | I rarely go on oftc |
| 06:12.07 | Guerin | i would be involkved in the debian project, but I'm a hobbyist with no computer training who can't program. I'm a political scientist, however, and community dynamics are interesting. |
| 06:12.21 | moshii | thedonvaughn: Are you part of any other "communities"?.. they're all the same |
| 06:12.23 | SerajewelKS | michael____: weird, azureus recently changed its language setting to aramaic on me today |
| 06:12.24 | thedonvaughn | Guerin, bug triaging helps :) no programing skills there |
| 06:12.39 | Guerin | thedonvaughn: i do that, yes. |
| 06:12.42 | moshii | Guerin: you can get involved in i18n, bug reporting.. |
| 06:12.49 | moshii | Guerin: documentation.. |
| 06:13.00 | thedonvaughn | moshii, gentoo, arch, and ubuntu - i do bug wrangling/triaging/fixing ... don some deb and ebuild building.. nothing huge tho. |
| 06:13.04 | Guerin | m,i speak one language fluently and three languages well enough to order a beer ;) |
| 06:13.06 | thedonvaughn | Guerin, right on |
| 06:13.20 | dragonfly | CompWizrd, at least they are the same socket so upgrading shouldn't be much of a hassle....shouldn't affect the kernel at all if/when i do should it? |
| 06:13.27 | Guerin | actually, it's probably about five, but still ... not exactly translation material |
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| 06:13.34 | michael____ | SerajewelKS: yeah it is weird |
| 06:13.36 | CompWizrd | dragonfly: depends on if the motherboard has support for that cpu, i'll look |
| 06:13.43 | thedonvaughn | moshii, but gentoo is 100x worse than debian, infact i think that distro will collapse within the next 2 - 3 years |
| 06:13.46 | thedonvaughn | that's just me :) |
| 06:13.46 | moshii | Guerin: yep, everyone has a use |
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| 06:14.01 | moshii | thedonvaughn: personally, I don't see linux holding out |
| 06:14.23 | CompWizrd | dragonfly: looks like it does |
| 06:14.25 | michael____ | SerajewelKS: and i am tryin all kinds of things to try and change it back..i am wonderin if i should uninstall it and reinstall it back |
| 06:14.28 | thedonvaughn | moshii, desktop as popular as it is now... sure i agree... don't know about server tho.. it'll be used for servers for a while. |
| 06:14.29 | Matt4781581 | does anyone know what signal is send to a process when it terminates when a window is closed in gnome? |
| 06:14.30 | moshii | thedonvaughn: debian is lovely, the linux kernel is basically crap |
| 06:14.34 | CompWizrd | dragon: supports quad core too |
| 06:14.46 | soblue | hmm... my hostname is ibm-laptop, and yet host ibm-laptop says "Host ibm-laptop not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)" |
| 06:14.48 | thedonvaughn | moshii, yah i more and less agree with you. |
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| 06:15.11 | Matt4781581 | I'm trying to kill firefox in a script |
| 06:15.23 | Guerin | Matt4781581: pkill or somesuch? |
| 06:15.41 | GreaseMonkey | hmm, some of the older versions are kinda dodgy |
| 06:15.45 | moshii | thedonvaughn: you have to laugh/cry slightly when you hear "I uze linuks" people talking about how fast,secure and overall better quality it is.. |
| 06:15.50 | nvz | Matt4781581: SIGTERM is a nice way to ask a program to exit I guess |
| 06:15.57 | Guerin | soblue: it's looking it up from a dns server which doesn't know about it |
| 06:15.58 | michael____ | does anyone have any info on how to configure this thing back to english |
| 06:16.18 | soblue | ah, thanks Guerin |
| 06:16.20 | Guerin | michael____: export LC_ALL=C |
| 06:16.36 | Guerin | michael____: or run dpkg-reconfigure locales and choose something else |
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| 06:16.43 | Matt4781581 | when i kill firefox with sigterm and then restart. It asks if i want to restore a session like it crashed |
| 06:16.45 | nvz | Matt4781581: I changed my "firefox" command to killall firefox-bin before running firefox from all the crashes it would have where there were still processes laying around preventing me from restarting it |
| 06:17.08 | moshii | thedonvaughn: there is a reason that people are porting debian to better kernels :D |
| 06:17.12 | nvz | Matt4781581: no matter what you do killing firefox with a kernel signal isnt going to be a clean quit. |
| 06:17.23 | thedonvaughn | moshii, depends on what it's compared to. i would say it is definitely "fast" speed is never the issue with me on linux. |
| 06:17.32 | Matt4781581 | can it be done cleanly in a script? |
| 06:17.35 | thedonvaughn | moshii, memory management could be another issue :) |
| 06:17.42 | michael____ | Guerin: ok i am kinda lost can you explain it to me a little more indetail how to do that |
| 06:17.42 | nvz | Matt4781581: chances are it creates a state file, and when you quit from within the program it removes that as it quits.. so if you locate that file and delete that file with your script then problem solved |
| 06:17.52 | Guerin | michael____: just type the commands I mentioned |
| 06:17.57 | nvz | Matt4781581: actually its probably more like a state directory than a file |
| 06:18.10 | Matt4781581 | right thanks |
| 06:18.25 | thedonvaughn | then again, i'm not that hip on the kernel these days.. can't say too much. just know from past experiences and i must admit a lot of this was 2.4 kernel in enterprise level... which was bad imo |
| 06:18.27 | moshii | thedonvaughn: NetBSD kicks linuxs arse on ever platform but i386 |
| 06:18.30 | michael____ | ok |
| 06:18.43 | nvz | Matt4781581: strace may help, or just killing a firefox instance and examining the ~/.firefox or such dir.. though it could be in /tmp but somehow I doubt it |
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| 06:18.55 | chemaja | moshii, pitty i run nothing *but* i386 |
| 06:19.23 | moshii | chemaja: try linux on a sparc, can you say shitty mmu code.. |
| 06:19.30 | soblue | embarassing question: how do I figure out the private IP address of my Debian box? |
| 06:19.40 | moshii | soblue: ifconfig |
| 06:19.44 | Guerin | soblue: ifconfig |
| 06:20.02 | chemaja | moshii, not sure if i can even buy one of those from my suppliers |
| 06:20.16 | chemaja | moshii, why would i want to vs. i386? |
| 06:20.50 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:20.51 | moshii | chemaja: mm well sun used to ship hardware that you could trust you grannies life on, and solaris even though clunky was of similar quality |
| 06:21.02 | moshii | chemaja: s/you/your |
| 06:21.03 | chemaja | moshii, "used to" -- enough said |
| 06:21.04 | Guerin | a school I used to work at had one sparc machine, as a backup server |
| 06:21.10 | soblue | thanks again.. I'll be back |
| 06:21.27 | zu22 | Guerin: it finished downloading the 2.6 kernel image but now dpkg is giving that same error , apparently after downloading the image it next tried to download the newer libc6 , how can i tell dpkg to just install the kernel image package it just downloaded - should i go into /var/cache/apt/archives and manually install it with "dpkg -i"? |
| 06:21.30 | Guerin | it was frighteningly expensive to maintain and disgustingly unreliable, but all their workflows were set up for it exclusively |
| 06:21.30 | thedonvaughn | moshii, yah have a little sun ultra5 running netbsd 3.1 |
| 06:21.32 | moshii | chemaja: yup, they ship generic x86 boxes with their name on now woohoo |
| 06:21.46 | Guerin | zu22: you could try that, yeah |
| 06:21.53 | chemaja | moshii, not much i can do about that, not sure i'd even want to |
| 06:22.08 | Guerin | zu22: you might need to --force-{depends,conflicts} |
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| 06:22.10 | chemaja | Guerin, sounds like pain |
| 06:22.22 | moshii | thedonvaughn: I had a ss20 up for around 500 days at uni under my deb running old old netbsd |
| 06:22.22 | Guerin | chemaja: happily, it was nothing to do with me ;) |
| 06:22.40 | nvz | Matt4781581: when I attached strace to firefox and hit the close button I seen this happen right before it died unlink("/home/nvz/.mozilla/firefox/h7f6w1nc.default/lock" |
| 06:22.43 | chemaja | moshii, nothing against NetBSD -- i was liking it for some time -- but i dont see much point when i can't actually get any work done on it |
| 06:22.43 | thedonvaughn | moshii, yah bsd memory management will allow that. good stuff |
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| 06:22.52 | dragonfly | CompWizrd, well, it might be a lil lower performance, but it's basically going to be a web and email server so there shouldn't be much noticeable difference....probably get limited by bandwidth before anything else |
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| 06:23.16 | thedonvaughn | chemaja, depends what you're work is? you weren't trying to make music or edit videos were you? :) |
| 06:23.24 | moshii | chemaja: try remotely installing a large amount of real unix machines vs. x86 pc's.. |
| 06:23.42 | dragonfly | ....and everything is compatible enough for a fairly simple upgrade....the software side should be ok if i power-down and swap out between these and the bigger better ones right? |
| 06:23.46 | chemaja | moshii, what about it |
| 06:23.53 | zu22 | Guerin: ah ok, thx |
| 06:23.58 | chemaja | thedonvaughn, lol |
| 06:23.58 | moshii | thedonvaughn: yep, but the Debian/NetBSD port is dead. kfreebsd seems to be coming along though |
| 06:24.42 | thedonvaughn | moshii, yah i've been meaning to look at kfreebsd |
| 06:24.50 | moshii | chemaja: well you can boot a decent unix box over a network without a floppy drive, harddisk.. anything |
| 06:24.51 | nvz | Matt4781581: hmm thats not it.. that file dissapears even if its killed |
| 06:25.12 | chemaja | moshii, you can do that with Linux, IIRC |
| 06:25.27 | chemaja | moshii, on i386 arch |
| 06:25.33 | chemaja | on "shitty" PCs |
| 06:25.43 | Matt4781581 | yeah |
| 06:25.50 | Matt4781581 | i can't see what it is |
| 06:26.08 | moshii | chemaja: using pxe, yes.. but compared to doing it from openprom or something it's a total nightmare |
| 06:26.21 | moshii | chemaja: then try doing it for 100+ machines |
| 06:26.23 | nvz | Matt4781581: it seems its the sessionstore.js file |
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| 06:26.54 | Matt4781581 | yeah and theres a sessionstore.bak file aswel |
| 06:27.05 | nvz | Matt4781581: would be in ~/.mozilla/firefox/<your firefox profile name>/sessionstore.js and rm it will stop it from asking you to restore I just tested it |
| 06:27.18 | Matt4781581 | thanks |
| 06:27.29 | nvz | Matt4781581: well I am using iceweasel in etch.. which is basically firefox 2.0 |
| 06:27.32 | chemaja | moshii, if you had 100+ machines with EPROM compatible hardware, wouldn't you just flash their BIOSses or whatever if you wanted them to be "exactly the same" |
| 06:27.45 | nvz | Matt4781581: we might be using slightly different versions that behave slightly different |
| 06:27.50 | chemaja | moshii, i dont do this kind of thing, so who knows openprom may be the shizoor |
| 06:27.51 | Matt4781581 | yep it works for me too |
| 06:28.12 | moshii | chemaja: you would create boot roms.. but still thats extra work :P |
| 06:28.38 | nvz | Matt4781581: cool what exactly are you trying to do? you might need to do some other things to assure you're not killing other peoples sessions or something.. why are you killing firefox from a script ? |
| 06:28.39 | moshii | chemaja: if you ever get the chance pickup an old sun or sgi box and have play |
| 06:28.41 | chemaja | moshii, but if i can't do the silly little things i need to do once my base OS is up, then all the coolness of openprom fades to zero |
| 06:28.57 | chemaja | moshii, i'm all for nice elegant solutions, dont get me wrong |
| 06:29.39 | simonrvn | you should check for your user name and kill via PID instead of using killall |
| 06:29.48 | chemaja | moshii, but the beauty of implementation is secondary to the scope of its high-level functions, at least in my case(s) |
| 06:29.49 | moshii | chemaja: what about jumping out of the os, into firmware to diddle with registers, and then jumping back in to the os |
| 06:30.06 | simonrvn | moshii: a la openprom/openboot |
| 06:30.25 | simonrvn | moshii: sun boxen do that already |
| 06:30.27 | nvz | oh well he left.. heh |
| 06:30.32 | moshii | simonrvn: yeah, I'm trying to explain the benefits of decent machines over x86 boxes.. |
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| 06:30.40 | simonrvn | ah ok ;) |
| 06:30.46 | nvz | amatures writing scripts to do naughty things |
| 06:30.51 | nvz | .. kinda scary |
| 06:30.55 | moshii | simonrvn: the new x86 suns don't do that stuff anymore :( |
| 06:31.02 | simonrvn | damn :( |
| 06:31.26 | chemaja | moshii, i can see the apparent beauty of this technology you're discussing, but in 3 years of sysadmin for a large medical software company, i've never had to touch a client's bios (raid bios notwithstanding, in which case we use ILO or it's already done for us by a 3rd party) |
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| 06:31.40 | moshii | simonrvn: we have a shit load of v20z's at work, and they're less useful than dells |
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| 06:31.47 | nvz | why the hell is everyone going x86 all of a sudden.. |
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| 06:32.13 | simonrvn | because they're cheap (because of the sheer number of them, and the effing PC market) |
| 06:32.13 | soblue | Okay, it looks like I *can* access this Debian box from within my private network. |
| 06:32.45 | moshii | chemaja: it's one of those things you'd understand if you'd used it .. like old suns pump everything over serial if they don't see a keyboard |
| 06:32.45 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah well don't they realize all the people who own them are drooling over real computer arch's |
| 06:32.53 | simonrvn | x86 + bios is some of the crappiest stuff you can get |
| 06:33.07 | nvz | simonrvn: which are now all turning around and marketing x86 based crap |
| 06:33.09 | chemaja | nvz, because when company xyz looks for a hardware solution, the organisations they look to for solutions generally just offer x86 |
| 06:33.26 | moshii | nvz: cheap linux + cheap x86 hardware = cheap cheap |
| 06:33.27 | soblue | But I still don't know how to get my Debian box to act as a public server. |
| 06:33.41 | simonrvn | port forwarding |
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| 06:33.46 | valdyn | !port forwarding |
| 06:33.46 | dpkg | from memory, port forwarding is handled by ipmasqadm for <= 2.2.x kernels (ipmasqadm portfw -h), or by iptables -j DNAT for 2.4.x kernels (man iptables). See transparent proxy for more info. See port forward for more info also |
| 06:34.01 | nvz | moshii: you get what you pay for.. and if you're doing it all cause its cheap you're gonna get cheap results |
| 06:34.06 | valdyn | soblue: or probably more likely - handled by your router |
| 06:34.20 | simonrvn | which does port forwarding ;) |
| 06:34.32 | simonrvn | or will if you tell it to... |
| 06:34.34 | nvz | moshii: well you can look at microsoft products and find a fallocy in the logic that you get what you pay for.. so I guess thats not right. |
| 06:34.45 | nvz | no wait.. |
| 06:34.53 | soblue | hmm... I did see a port forwarding option in the firewall settings, but I don't see why that is needed. |
| 06:35.03 | simonrvn | just because you pay big buck for something doesn't mean it's good ;) |
| 06:35.07 | simonrvn | bucks* |
| 06:35.07 | nvz | you pay for the liscence to allow you to do less with your computer.. and its quite effecient at that |
| 06:35.15 | chemaja | moshii, and don't forget about the stack of software out there in the field which needs to be supported by any new hardware |
| 06:35.32 | valdyn | soblue: sounds like you dont understand how an ip network works |
| 06:35.44 | moshii | nvz:the x86 hardware is fine once it's running.. the problem is getting it running and when it decides to explode |
| 06:35.55 | valdyn | soblue: only your box that is directly on the internet ( your 'router' ) can be accessed from remote |
| 06:35.56 | simonrvn | when being the operative word |
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| 06:36.30 | soblue | valdyn: Yes, I knew that much... but I don't know anything about port forwarding or why it's needed |
| 06:36.46 | moshii | chemaja: yep, and that's why x86 is so retarded in the first place, it's still compatiable with stuff from decades and decades ago |
| 06:36.47 | ivx | hello, if one is sshing a server, logged in as root, and deletes something, how would he then empty the trash? |
| 06:36.58 | ivx | i looked around for a .trash but can't find one |
| 06:37.11 | Guerin | soblue: you might consider reading the terribly patronising but quite useful `Internet and Computer Fundamnentals' thing by ESR |
| 06:37.32 | simonrvn | soblue: port forwarding allows the router to forward packets onto the host that it's configured to do so, i.e., send those packets to that host, instead of "keeping" the packets for itself |
| 06:37.40 | Guerin | soblue: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/ |
| 06:37.43 | soblue | oh.... |
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| 06:38.08 | cahoot | ivx: why do you postulate here *is* a 'trash' ? |
| 06:38.30 | moshii | chemaja: I'm not really against x86 though.. if they decided to start shipping openfirmware with boxes it'd be an improvement |
| 06:38.30 | soblue | thanks for explaining :) |
| 06:38.42 | simonrvn | ivx: ~/.trash is only implemented in "desktop" apps ... rm doesn't have a built-in trash function... though some people make a shell script to wrap around it to do that... |
| 06:38.44 | en1gma | hey all i got quake 3 to work and it has no sound (i know i know...google it, well i have and it dont seem to appear to work with the commands i have entered so far.) could it have anything to do with me running debian sid amd64 |
| 06:38.47 | valdyn | ivx: 'rm' does not move deleted things into '.trash' |
| 06:38.48 | moshii | chemaja: it's something you'd expected with $lots servers |
| 06:38.56 | valdyn | ivx: beside that, its ~/.Trash/ |
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| 06:39.10 | en1gma | someone might have this same problem with enemy territory and amd64. if you did could you tell me what to do |
| 06:39.18 | ivx | valdyn, okay, just making sure i didn't have to empty it :) |
| 06:39.30 | valdyn | en1gma: you use a debian kernel? |
| 06:39.40 | simonrvn | moshii: it would be an improvement. not bloody likely though. to do boxen with OF is "expensive", the licensing is a lot compared to BIOS/EFI |
| 06:39.40 | en1gma | yea |
| 06:39.56 | zu22 | i have an old sun ipx box i want to try install debian on but something is wrong with the framebuffer and the boot hangs after 'checking framebuffer' :( |
| 06:39.57 | en1gma | 2.6.21-1-amd64 |
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| 06:40.24 | moshii | simonrvn: indeed, the people that budget are happy, the people that work with the shit are unhappy |
| 06:40.27 | valdyn | en1gma: mm, ET uses which sound libraries? |
| 06:40.29 | simonrvn | zu22: the prom chip might be dying (has a battery in it that needs replacing sometimes) |
| 06:40.31 | zu22 | also i need a monitor for it, i heard there is way to get VGA monitor (PC type) to work with suns but it needs some weird cable? |
| 06:40.31 | en1gma | and this is the command i see the most "echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss" |
| 06:40.41 | simonrvn | moshii: bingo. |
| 06:41.00 | zu22 | simonrvn: ok i can take out the battery and see if local radio shack has replacement one |
| 06:41.01 | simonrvn | zu22: you need a (hard to find) adapter for that |
| 06:41.06 | en1gma | well im not running ET (trying to get Q3 working) but i figured i would ask about ET since more ppl prob play that and they are similar games) |
| 06:41.20 | simonrvn | zu22: it's not a CMOS battery ;) |
| 06:41.20 | valdyn | en1gma: no they are not similar in that aspect |
| 06:41.21 | moshii | simonrvn: is that a battery/prom epoxy block? |
| 06:41.26 | zu22 | simonrvn: heh |
| 06:41.27 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 06:41.30 | en1gma | oh ok |
| 06:41.38 | zu22 | simonrvn: any idea what the adapter is called? will try googling |
| 06:41.42 | simonrvn | though in the IPXen it's pullable |
| 06:41.42 | valdyn | en1gma: there's an explicit amd64 version of q3, i thought |
| 06:41.51 | moshii | zu22: you can probably get a free replacement/sample part from maxim :P |
| 06:42.00 | zu22 | moshii: ah really? |
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| 06:42.09 | zu22 | moshii: have any contact info?:P |
| 06:42.40 | moshii | zu22: they do batteries for proms, a DIP socket with a battery that you plug your prom into.. they also give out free samples |
| 06:42.45 | en1gma | there is but then i cant play my friends cause they dont run that version |
| 06:42.47 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:42.48 | moshii | zu22: maximic.com I thinks |
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| 06:43.01 | zu22 | moshii: never heard of em, thanks for the lead! |
| 06:43.02 | valdyn | en1gma: uh? |
| 06:43.09 | simonrvn | moshii: thanks :) |
| 06:43.18 | en1gma | its newer then the official idsoftware release |
| 06:43.23 | valdyn | en1gma: those 2 versions cant work together networked? |
| 06:43.35 | moshii | zu22: I know this because I built dreamcast ripping cables out of free parts once.. |
| 06:43.44 | en1gma | i wouldnt think so cause they are different versions |
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| 06:43.51 | moshii | zu22: microchip also give away free PIC chips.. which is handy |
| 06:43.52 | valdyn | en1gma: your friends should probably get the latest patch(es) from id software |
| 06:44.19 | simonrvn | crap, i really need more ram in that beige... |
| 06:44.20 | en1gma | idsoftware = 1.32b but from that ioc mod its 1.34 and not official |
| 06:44.36 | simonrvn | Swap: 839648k total, 299836k used, 539812k free, 64872k cached |
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| 06:45.13 | moshii | simonrvn: just be thankful you swap isn't over nfs |
| 06:45.27 | simonrvn | ugh, that would so suck |
| 06:45.29 | zu22 | moshii: good to know |
| 06:45.37 | moshii | this shell keeps ripping chars.. garh |
| 06:45.44 | valdyn | en1gma: paste the exact output of q3 on a paste site |
| 06:45.51 | moshii | I had to do that to install debian on a WRT54g |
| 06:46.03 | zu22 | just installed 2.6.18 kernel image package and i noticed there is no /lib/modules/foo/source , is this ok or will i need that for my modules to work? |
| 06:46.06 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 06:46.31 | simonrvn | zu22: not needed.. just a symlink to the source tree |
| 06:46.32 | valdyn | zu22: that image alone does not install source code of any kind, so that symlink would point into void anyway |
| 06:46.37 | moshii | zu22: sure that doesn't come from the headers? |
| 06:46.37 | somian | hey all |
| 06:46.38 | zu22 | simonrvn: ah ok |
| 06:46.48 | somian | anyone feel like being yelled at? :-D |
| 06:46.57 | zu22 | moshii: doh guess i should have installed headers pkg first :D |
| 06:46.57 | simonrvn | zu22: the -image package removes it if it can't find a corresponding source tree |
| 06:47.06 | zu22 | valdyn: nod |
| 06:47.10 | moshii | somian: only if you feel like getting hit with a 2x4 |
| 06:47.24 | simonrvn | ir get an /ignore set |
| 06:47.27 | simonrvn | or* |
| 06:47.30 | zu22 | i dont have to build any 3rd party modules (at least not now) so i should be ok |
| 06:47.36 | somian | If you can produce one through the computer screen moshii, I'll be truly impressed ;-) |
| 06:48.13 | moshii | zu22: you say that now.. then you find out you need some crazy wireless drivers to get online to fix your borken x server and the pain starts |
| 06:48.19 | somian | You'd have to search long and hard to find someone with a bulkier /ignore list than me, I suspect, simonrvn :) |
| 06:48.32 | simonrvn | i have over 160 entries |
| 06:48.39 | moshii | somian: doesn't play well with others.. |
| 06:48.42 | somian | That's pretty darn good! |
| 06:49.12 | simonrvn | yes and no |
| 06:49.14 | somian | I have to admit, I *am* impressed. I suppose you've been using freenode a *little* bit longer than I. |
| 06:49.24 | simonrvn | since 2002 |
| 06:49.25 | moshii | zu22: linux-headers-* and build-essential are probably wise to keep around :) |
| 06:49.37 | simonrvn | and irc for longer |
| 06:49.37 | somian | moshii: it's really true, i don't play well at all with others ;-) |
| 06:50.05 | moshii | somian: do you live in a small cupboard under the stairs at you mums house by anychance? |
| 06:50.11 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 06:50.39 | somian | Well if I go back into the dim past of irc and other forms of online chat, simonrvn ... but i've only been using freenode regularly since Oct 2006 |
| 06:50.54 | somian | moshii: that's incredible. I just finished reading that book |
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| 06:51.05 | somian | HOW did you do that, moshii ?!? |
| 06:51.09 | moshii | somian: um, I'm actually looking at el rock |
| 06:51.15 | somian | Harry Potter, I mean, of course |
| 06:51.17 | zu22 | moshii: lol yeah i better install the headers, i tried installing linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 and it complains about dependending on linux-headers-2.6.18-4, i guess this package is what i need or do i need both? |
| 06:51.35 | zu22 | moshii: heh yeah i already got build-essential at least |
| 06:51.39 | simonrvn | the latter probably pulls in the former |
| 06:51.45 | Guerin | zu22: one is probably a metapackage |
| 06:51.48 | zu22 | simronrvn: ah |
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| 06:51.59 | Guerin | zu22: dide your kernel/libc upgrade work? |
| 06:51.59 | somian | I bet meta package too |
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| 06:52.14 | roland_ | hi |
| 06:52.28 | tnks_ | I'm just now figuring out LVM. vgcfgbackup gives a pretty nice overview of a configuration, but it writes to a file. Is there a better way to see how a system is configured? |
| 06:52.33 | zu22 | sometimes i wish the package cache was more verbose or clearly indicate done was a metapackage but no biggie |
| 06:52.40 | roland_ | i have a problem wiht my debian box, on boot it doesnt configure network interfaces , i have to manually configure them |
| 06:52.40 | roland_ | why |
| 06:52.50 | simonrvn | Guerin: glibc fucking up for me in sid on one of my boxen here prompted me to move the thign to etch ;). whcih is good because it's a public server |
| 06:52.50 | zu22 | Guerin: yes i just installed the kernel, checking LILO config before i reboot |
| 06:52.51 | Guerin | roland_: because you haven't told it to |
| 06:52.59 | moshii | roland_: you have't configured them.. |
| 06:53.00 | Guerin | simonrvn: heh |
| 06:53.04 | wols | roland_: borken /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:53.08 | Guerin | roland_: man 5 interfaces |
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| 06:53.20 | artagnon | how do I set the hardware clock from here? |
| 06:53.30 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 06:53.30 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 06:53.30 | wols | artagnon: hwclock |
| 06:53.40 | artagnon | wols: thanks |
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| 06:53.50 | moshii | artagnon: ntpdate is nice too |
| 06:54.00 | zu22 | Guerin: thx for that tip i'll remember that one |
| 06:54.10 | roland_ | http://pastebin.ca/554666 <- my interfaces file |
| 06:54.24 | simonrvn | ntpdate comes with ntp now |
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| 06:54.27 | moshii | somian: the rock of gibraltar is in harry potter? o_O |
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| 06:54.50 | simonrvn | probably not in etch, but likely lenny |
| 06:54.52 | valdyn | roland_: add 'eth1' to the 'auto lo' line |
| 06:55.17 | wols | roland_: auto eth1 |
| 06:55.19 | simonrvn | auto can take more than one? |
| 06:55.21 | somian | A boy who lives in a small cupboard under the stairs, moshii ;) |
| 06:55.27 | wols | yes it can |
| 06:55.34 | simonrvn | neato |
| 06:55.52 | somian | I was reading _The Order of the Phoenix_ -- that's the movie this July |
| 06:55.59 | somian | re-reading |
| 06:56.12 | somian | It's quite good, the best of the lot IMHO |
| 06:56.41 | moshii | somian: I was thinking of a grown man with a long facial hair.. |
| 06:56.56 | moshii | somian: with what seems to be pringles in said facial hair |
| 06:57.21 | simonrvn | pringles or nacho cheese |
| 06:57.35 | zu22 | mmm nachos |
| 06:57.56 | zu22 | with jalapenos of course |
| 06:58.01 | pyenos | herro |
| 06:58.02 | pyenos | :) |
| 06:58.04 | pyenos | :-) |
| 06:58.05 | moshii | unfortunately nothing is open in spain on sunday, damn |
| 06:58.06 | pyenos | ;=) |
| 06:58.10 | zu22 | moshii: me too all i got right now are some Cheez-Its :) |
| 06:59.03 | moshii | zu22: I have to cycle across the border, across a military runway, to go to safeways to get me a can of coke :/ |
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| 06:59.19 | zu22 | moshii: gadzooks |
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| 06:59.40 | zu22 | moshii: you will probably burn more calories than the coke contains |
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| 07:00.11 | moshii | zu22: for sure, by geekly belly is looking very sorry for itself recently |
| 07:00.29 | michael____ | Guerin: no luck with the commands...it even suggested i try dpkg --help and i tried it but nothin on configurin openoffice language settin for the options and such...do you think uninstallin and installin it back would make a difference? |
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| 07:01.16 | valdyn | uh, oo.org isnt controlled by locales? |
| 07:01.21 | michael____ | Guerin: or maybe i did somethin wrong with the commands? |
| 07:01.49 | moshii | mm I've installed webcalendar, and it seems to like being logged in as me and won't logout.. and actually logs in anyone that browses it as me |
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| 07:01.59 | zu22 | moshii: hehe |
| 07:02.50 | moshii | do they take bugs for "looking ugly as sin" too? |
| 07:02.52 | simonrvn | eek, that sounds like a very dangerous bug |
| 07:03.13 | valdyn | michael____: oo.org -> Tools -> Options -> Language Settings |
| 07:03.34 | moshii | simonrvn: I think it something that the package isn't doing for people that don't happen to use apache |
| 07:03.38 | valdyn | michael____: if its set to 'Default' then its set by locales, i guess |
| 07:04.09 | artagnon | after I change the time, how do I make sure I don't get "timestamp too far in future" errors excpet by touching every file in the system? |
| 07:04.22 | valdyn | artagnon: you dont |
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| 07:04.48 | artagnon | valdyn: I don't? Then I can't work |
| 07:05.04 | valdyn | artagnon: why cant you? what's the problem with that warning? |
| 07:05.28 | artagnon | ah, but what if it's on a date 10 years later? |
| 07:05.41 | valdyn | artagnon: so? |
| 07:05.42 | artagnon | see that warning for the next ten years on any command I type? |
| 07:05.53 | valdyn | artagnon: that warning does not show on any command |
| 07:06.09 | artagnon | [12:31]~/vmlinuz: sudo apt-get install mc |
| 07:06.10 | artagnon | sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jun 10 17:52:52 2007 |
| 07:06.17 | valdyn | artagnon: that warning does not show on any all commands |
| 07:06.26 | artagnon | it's more like an error |
| 07:06.28 | valdyn | artagnon: that's hardly 10 years |
| 07:06.30 | artagnon | it didn't install mc |
| 07:06.43 | artagnon | valdyn: I know, I'm just hypothesising |
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| 07:07.00 | pyenos | hello people. do you require a convenient tool to manage your network settings? do you have separte network settings for your home and work but use the same laptop? would you like to be able to switch back and forth between multiple networks easily and quickly? NetDialog may be the simple answer you are looking for. It is a simple shell script for managing multiple ethernet settings and you can download v0.1 from here: |
| 07:07.00 | pyenos | http://www.geocities.com/ggggunit7777/ |
| 07:07.02 | valdyn | artagnon: you cant magically make dates correct |
| 07:07.05 | artagnon | either way, it was an error |
| 07:07.09 | zu22 | !lart pyenos |
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| 07:07.22 | valdyn | artagnon: yea, i can see sudo not working because of this |
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| 07:07.24 | flamebird | !sources |
| 07:07.24 | dpkg | from memory, sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 07:07.27 | pyenos | zu22: what's !lart? |
| 07:07.39 | valdyn | artagnon: it can be worked around just fine till 17:52 |
| 07:07.39 | pyenos | !lart zu22 |
| 07:07.42 | flamebird | !mirrors |
| 07:07.42 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 07:07.46 | artagnon | valdyn: find / -exec touch {} \; is taking ages to finish execution and throws a lot of errors |
| 07:08.00 | michael____ | valdyn: i would try that but the whole options in greek symbols...and weird enough it is only the options and when to name the file you are goin to save and to choose the fonts effects and some other parts |
| 07:08.13 | valdyn | artagnon: that's no surprise |
| 07:08.19 | artagnon | but I guess that's okay if there's no other way |
| 07:08.23 | valdyn | artagnon: / includes /sys and /proc |
| 07:08.30 | artagnon | yeah, I know :P |
| 07:08.43 | valdyn | artagnon: the good way to fix the clock is using ntpd |
| 07:08.45 | moshii | artagnon: you should test for file so you don't hit special files |
| 07:08.59 | valdyn | artagnon: but there's no sane way to fix dates that are wrong by 10 years within less than 10 years |
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| 07:09.05 | artagnon | moshii: ah, good idea |
| 07:09.17 | michael____ | valdyn: can i send or email you a screen shot on how the options look like so that you can get a betta idea |
| 07:09.33 | artagnon | valdyn: ntpd syncs with a time server, no? |
| 07:09.35 | valdyn | michael____: you can |
| 07:09.38 | valdyn | !paste |
| 07:09.38 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 07:09.55 | moshii | artagnon: and then maybe try to exlude /proc /dev etc |
| 07:10.04 | valdyn | michael____: not sure what's hard to comprehend about what i told you though |
| 07:10.08 | artagnon | moshii: okay, thanks for the input |
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| 07:10.34 | moshii | artagnon: did you install with a broken clock by any chance? |
| 07:10.57 | simonrvn | artagnon: you need to get the time within an hour or so to get ntpdate to work right. then once that's done, ntpd can work and stay running, and then you can set your bios clock correctly (with hwclock --systohc) |
| 07:11.06 | simonrvn | moshii: sounds like it |
| 07:11.22 | artagnon | moshii: no, I just forgot to set the clock |
| 07:11.42 | artagnon | simonrvn: thanks for your input |
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| 07:12.43 | moshii | maybe they should do a ntp sync of the system clock in d-i.. mm |
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| 07:13.47 | flamebird | how do I add a server to my sources list? |
| 07:13.51 | artagnon | simonrvn: ntpdate doesn't come with an initscript. Shall I use the inetd server to run ntpd? |
| 07:13.56 | flamebird | ftp://ftp.iitm.ac.in/ < this one ? |
| 07:13.59 | valdyn | artagnon: use ntpd |
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| 07:14.07 | flamebird | deb ftp://ftp.iitm.ac.in/ < and then what? |
| 07:14.19 | valdyn | artagnon: ntpdate is unsafe on a live system |
| 07:14.23 | artagnon | valdyn: okay, I'll just add ntpd to rc.local then |
| 07:14.24 | somian | flamebird: if you mean edit manually, then just open /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:14.28 | valdyn | artagnon: no |
| 07:14.34 | moshii | valdyn: any different to just jamming ntpdate into a cronjob? |
| 07:14.45 | valdyn | moshii: yea |
| 07:14.58 | valdyn | artagnon: apt-get install ntp |
| 07:15.03 | simonrvn | artagnon: no, it's integrated with ntp now |
| 07:15.16 | somian | flamebird: umm, you need to add the dist and the sections |
| 07:15.25 | valdyn | artagnon: oh, ^^^ - > so /etc/init.d/ntp should already exist |
| 07:15.32 | artagnon | okaym it comes with an initscript |
| 07:15.48 | simonrvn | the maintainer stuck it in the init script for ntp, so it runs if needed, then starts ntpd |
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| 07:15.59 | simonrvn | or something like that, lemme check that ;) |
| 07:16.52 | michael____ | valdyn: ok you see this example but instead of english its in greek symbols http://www.thanlwinsoft.org/ThanLwinSoft/MyanmarUnicode/Applications/OOoLanguages.png |
| 07:16.56 | artagnon | okay, thanks for all the input |
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| 07:17.47 | valdyn | michael____: quit oo.org, rm -r ~/.openoffice.org2 |
| 07:18.03 | xingu | simonrvn: no; ntpd burst mode will step the timeofday clock rapidly enough to bootstrap. |
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| 07:18.12 | simonrvn | hmm, doesn't look like it... i thought they did |
| 07:18.16 | xingu | simonrvn: ntpdate is *always* a bad idea. |
| 07:18.23 | rainabba | With Debian Etch: I'm running Software Raid 1 (md then LVM) for /boot and Raid 5 (again, md and then LVM across 4 drives) for /. I've got a 500GB Firewire external HDD. Assuming my mb lets me boot to it, any reason I couldn't fdisk the external drive, dd the lv for /boot and dd the lv for / to the external drive, then grub_install to it, then reboot on it? |
| 07:18.24 | simonrvn | xingu: oh yes thta's right |
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| 07:18.42 | valdyn | xingu: ntpdate is ok before the system has any rw fs online? |
| 07:18.53 | rainabba | Oops, no LVM on the md for Raid 1 (/boot) |
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| 07:19.16 | xingu | valdyn: no; it doesn't play nice with the kernel's regulator. |
| 07:19.41 | xingu | valdyn: if userland steps the clock while the kernel thinks it's phase-locked bad things happen kernel side. |
| 07:20.06 | xingu | there's more to time than how seconds are numbered |
| 07:20.15 | xingu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:20.35 | simonrvn | damn, that bad? |
| 07:21.02 | peterS | rainabba: I wouldn't copy the raw lv, I'd use mkfs.ext3 or whatever, then mount the new filesystem and "cp -ax" the contents. that way the partition doesn't have to be exactly the same size, etc. |
| 07:21.16 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:21.24 | simonrvn | i checked mine to be sure ;) |
| 07:21.41 | rainabba | peterS: makes sense, ty. Any other complications you can imagine? |
| 07:21.47 | peterS | rainabba: also, in order to get a functioning debian system, you'll need to edit /etc/fstab on the new drive, and there will probably be some magic involved in re-engineering the initrd to boot properly |
| 07:22.34 | rainabba | peterS: With ya on /etc/fstab, why initrd? |
| 07:22.37 | artagnon | moshii: you made ntpd a cron job? |
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| 07:23.05 | peterS | rainabba: to make sure it loads the correct modules to access your external drive in time to mount the root filesystem on it |
| 07:23.29 | peterS | rainabba: I'm guessing it isn't already prepared to load the appropriate ieee1394 or usb modules |
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| 07:24.12 | moshii | artagnon: I have a machine that's graphing stuff with rrdtool.. and sometimes people mess with it and it goes down for a few hours, so I just jammed in a cronjob |
| 07:24.27 | rainabba | Ahh. Can you tell me more, or perhaps recomend a Google query to point me the right direction? Really know VERY little about initrd or how to create it. |
| 07:24.39 | artagnon | moshii: ok |
| 07:24.44 | peterS | rainabba: also see the "# kopt=root=/whatever ro" line in /boot/grub/menu.lst. if you edit that line, run /usr/sbin/update-grub to have it propagate the change to the rest of the AUTOMATIC KERNELS LIST section. |
| 07:25.09 | moshii | artagnon: The machine is running debian and then 6 instances of various windows operating systems on top.. do I don't think it's hurting it that much |
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| 07:26.15 | valdyn | rainabba: its generated when you install a debian a linux-image package that includes initrd support |
| 07:26.21 | peterS | rainabba: depends on what initrd generator you are using. do you have the 'yaird' package installed, or the 'initramfs-tools' package? probably the latter. (you can use 'dpkg -l packagename' to find out) |
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| 07:26.59 | rainabba | I know I installed yaird the other day. I think when I was toying with XEN (which I abandoned) |
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| 07:29.01 | xingu | simonrvn: ntpd -qg is a better idea than ntpdate if you need a one-shot ;) |
| 07:29.24 | michael____ | valdyn: na nothin....brb |
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| 07:29.39 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.49 | rainabba | peterS: This look good? http://frontier05.blogspot.com/2006/01/installing-ubuntu-to-external-usb.html (the concepts anyway) |
| 07:29.50 | simonrvn | -q set time and quit |
| 07:30.07 | flamebird | somian: yeah precisely how do I add the sctions? |
| 07:30.18 | simonrvn | i think that's what the maint did actually... lemme see |
| 07:30.51 | simonrvn | xingu: yeh, in /etc/default/ntp it has -g as an option |
| 07:31.15 | simonrvn | upstream must've added that in or something |
| 07:31.27 | xingu | yes, there was a big thread on the upstream mailing list a while back on this. |
| 07:31.41 | somian | It's hard to recall for me, from memory ... you see, flamebird, a site that is offering .debs _usually_ provides the appropriate line to add to sources.list prominently ... are you sure there is not one? |
| 07:32.33 | xingu | the other thing about ntpdate is that it can't deal with incoherent responses - so if you have multiple timesources that are issuing different timestamps, or worse, out of phase, you're playing roulette at bootstrap |
| 07:32.49 | simonrvn | sounds like fun. NOT |
| 07:33.29 | xingu | ntpd will always use burst mode to calculate the required phase offset locally *and* use rtt metrics to establish transport latency/ jitter *and* run falsetick to address incoherency. |
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| 07:33.38 | simonrvn | i used to participate in the open ntp project. not anymore it was sucking up too much bandwidth for my piddling little residential ADSL |
| 07:34.15 | simonrvn | ...when i was designated for getting the time from... ouchies |
| 07:35.03 | flamebird | nope somian |
| 07:35.20 | simonrvn | who cares... just a couple of whiners |
| 07:35.30 | xingu | open ntp had a designed-in flaw the last time I saw it; ntp should never be run with fewer than four up-strata sources and there was only one "pool" name exposed way back when I last looked |
| 07:36.03 | simonrvn | xingu: that was a while ago. they've split it up since, and redesigned it |
| 07:36.10 | flamebird | !adding-repo |
| 07:36.17 | flamebird | !repo |
| 07:36.17 | dpkg | hmm... repo is a repository (mirrors), where debian package archives are stored. |
| 07:36.26 | flamebird | !sources-list |
| 07:36.30 | simonrvn | flamebird: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 07:36.45 | xingu | here's the conundrum that falsetick addresses; if you have one upstrata and it's lying, how do you know? if you have two, and one is lying, which is it? if you have three, and one is lying, so you ignore it, how do you detect phase issues between the survivors? |
| 07:37.04 | xingu | this is why you need four upstrata sources; because one is *always* lying. |
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| 07:37.23 | xingu | run ntpq -p and see if any configured timesources have the "x" flag |
| 07:37.24 | simonrvn | for various reasons |
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| 07:37.54 | peterS | rainabba: well, /etc/mkinitramfs/modules is for the 'initramfs-tools' package, if you use yaird, the file in question is /etc/yaird/Default.cfg, you need to add 'MODULE' lines to that somewhere |
| 07:38.07 | simonrvn | i have 6 ;) |
| 07:38.16 | xingu | x == protocol-ly valid, but lying so killed by falsetick. |
| 07:38.17 | simonrvn | three say GPS. ;) |
| 07:38.32 | peterS | rainabba: also, for the "make new initrd image file" step, I would just say: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 07:38.42 | peterS | rainabba: simpler than trying to remember the exact invocation of yaird or whatever (: |
| 07:38.43 | simonrvn | i wrote the respective timemaster@ individually to get permission |
| 07:38.47 | somian | flamebird: problem is that a site can offer one or more of the categories, doesn't have to offer them all ... but you could start by imitating the existing lines, couldn't you, if you are determined not to seek out the documentation ;-) |
| 07:38.52 | xingu | simonrvn: :) |
| 07:38.57 | rainabba | peterS: This isn't sounding so bad now. Thank you. |
| 07:39.03 | peterS | rainabba: ...but that has to happen chrooted inside the external drive's filesystem |
| 07:39.22 | rainabba | Now ya lost me |
| 07:39.25 | rainabba | :) |
| 07:39.31 | peterS | rainabba: also, for grub-install to know what to do, /boot/grub/device.map needs to be vaguely correct inside the external filesystem, too |
| 07:39.35 | xingu | if you have fewer than 4 trustworthy sources, just use one and live with the fact that you'll fate-share. |
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| 07:39.45 | simonrvn | xingu: some of them i remember being public ntpds, but went private for the well known reasons |
| 07:39.49 | xingu | two is *worse* than one; it'll trigger ping-ponging |
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| 07:40.00 | artagnon | what's the security.debian.org repo for sid? |
| 07:40.08 | simonrvn | there isn't one |
| 07:40.14 | xingu | simonrvn: it's cheap as chips to get a gps dongle now and get your own gps strata 0 tick. |
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| 07:40.23 | peterS | artagnon: yeah it's just sid itself. security updates are uploaded to sid normally |
| 07:40.31 | artagnon | okay, thanks |
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| 07:41.05 | simonrvn | xingu: sure, but i don't like having gps anything ;) |
| 07:41.11 | flamebird | can anyone tell me how do I add the server ?!!!! WHAT do I write after the damn server address? |
| 07:41.23 | xingu | simonrvn: galileo will be bootstrapped soon (or is already, I've been busy) |
| 07:41.44 | xingu | simonrvn: it also offers a tick |
| 07:41.49 | moshii | xingu: do you have a howto for setting that up.. with the gps? |
| 07:42.00 | simonrvn | xingu: the north-south sun orbiter? (IIRC) |
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| 07:42.12 | moshii | xingu: I have a GPS reciever sitting here doing nothing |
| 07:42.22 | artagnon | after upgrading to sid, there's no way to downgrade to Lenny, right? |
| 07:42.44 | simonrvn | not for a newbie, and it gives experienced people headaches |
| 07:43.08 | peterS | rainabba: what /boot/grub/device.map is: it tells grub, at grub-install time, that the external drive (say "/dev/sdb") will be the first thing the BIOS detects, so the BIOS labels it as drive 0 and it will be called (hd0) in /boot/grub/menu.lst. or perhaps it'll be the second thing the BIOS detects and it will correspond to (hd1). |
| 07:43.32 | xingu | simonrvn: http://www.esa.int/esaNA/SEMCRH59CLE_index_0.html <-- and related links. |
| 07:43.39 | simonrvn | ...or if it's really bad, ulcers ;p |
| 07:43.43 | peterS | artagnon: best way to "downgrade to lenny" is to switch to lenny and then just sort of wait for lenny to catch up with sid, which it will do for most packages eventually |
| 07:43.45 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 07:44.00 | xingu | moshii: highly hardware specific; what specific unit is it? |
| 07:44.08 | GreaseMonkey | hey, how do you relocate a file so that it's in a sector of the disk readable by the BIOS? |
| 07:44.17 | peterS | artagnon: thus it's not downgrading so much as "stop upgrading until lenny has caught up" |
| 07:44.36 | xingu | moshii: ... and the next stop is googling; the rs232 units are usually a tad easier to use than the usb ones from memory |
| 07:44.41 | moshii | xingu: I'll have to find the thing.. it works with everything else linux gps-wise |
| 07:44.51 | simonrvn | oh nav signals |
| 07:44.52 | artagnon | peterS: I see |
| 07:44.53 | flamebird | will someone please help me................... |
| 07:44.57 | peterS | GreaseMonkey: for booting purposes? best way is to just ensure that boot files are always in that region, by creating a tiny "/boot" partition at the beginning of the disk. all boot-related files should be in /boot already, so this works. |
| 07:45.04 | xingu | moshii: usually it's as simple as using a server 127.x.x.x line for the appropriate ntp driver |
| 07:45.24 | somian | I guess not, flamebird ... and now its likely that you are going to annoy people so much that all your cred will be burned up in one go |
| 07:45.31 | GreaseMonkey | grr, repartitioning sucks with ext2 |
| 07:45.32 | peterS | GreaseMonkey: by 'tiny' I mean 20 MB is plenty. /boot doesn't have a lot of stuff in it. |
| 07:45.46 | somian | And I bet you don't care cause after you get what you want you don't plan to be back |
| 07:45.53 | artagnon | I'm actually having hell on earth with 2.6.21 kernel not compiling and booting the way I want. I tried make-kpkg but the same kernel panic comes up: sda5 not a valid device, block (0,0) not readable etc. |
| 07:45.58 | somian | Just like a gambler at a slot machine in Reno |
| 07:46.09 | somian | Hoping to get lucky |
| 07:46.19 | peterS | somian: while this may be true, you don't need to exacerbate the situation |
| 07:46.21 | xingu | simonrvn: yes; phaselocked time tick is obviously a baseline requirement for navigation/ mapping. |
| 07:46.24 | artagnon | I can't imagine why it isn't included in Lenny |
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| 07:46.39 | somian | Got news for you, boy. I am not a machine. I refuse to help people who treat others as machines, FUCK OFF. (flamebird). |
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| 07:47.07 | SoulChild | hey all...whats up? |
| 07:47.12 | simonrvn | the sky |
| 07:47.24 | peterS | artagnon: yeah, new kernel versions usually take time to filter down into testing. pretty much always been that way, I think |
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| 07:47.31 | moshii | or the ceiling |
| 07:47.32 | xingu | simonrvn: handily enough it also gives us cheap arses a trustworthy-enough (rubidium flywheel, monitored, commercial make-or-break on accuracy) source for both phase and how to label seconds. |
| 07:47.53 | xingu | simonrvn: /creating/ the equivalent isn't trivial. :) |
| 07:48.23 | artagnon | peterS: but I think a new alsa driver for my soundcard is stuck in 2.6.20+. what should I do? |
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| 07:48.23 | peterS | artagnon: out of curiosity, what sound card / driver are we talking about? |
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| 07:48.23 | artagnon | peterS: lenny only goes until 2.6.18 |
| 07:48.42 | artagnon | peterS: Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
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| 07:48.57 | roland_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.57 | xingu | simonrvn: but if you light up your own sdh networks, you need to; so you get nice, regulated, square edge phase pulses as a byproduct, and counting/ numbering those is the lesser of the problems. |
| 07:49.01 | simonrvn | xingu: i can imagine |
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| 07:49.13 | artagnon | peterS: The issue is I'm not sure the driver is stuck there either :P |
| 07:49.33 | peterS | artagnon: so 'snd-hda-intel' doesn't work for you? I notice it's included in 2.6.18 and claims to support some nvidia devices |
| 07:49.41 | simonrvn | xingu: i got plenty nice time sync. i run kerby, so i need the accurate time ;) |
| 07:49.47 | SoulChild | I have a problem with acpi, suspend 2 ram works, but my monitor is dark after suspend 2 ram ,... any ideas ? |
| 07:49.59 | xingu | simonrvn: :) |
| 07:50.26 | somian | Ok, sorry, sorry, to the whole channel. I lost my temper and I don't restrain myself from judging others wheh they do that, so, MEA CULPA. Sorry. |
| 07:50.28 | artagnon | peterS: I tried snda-hda-intel. It doesn't wfm |
| 07:50.36 | somian | Sorry, flamebird. |
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| 07:50.43 | artagnon | peterS: I think the newer kernel's snd-hda-intel should work |
| 07:50.44 | somian | Heh |
| 07:50.48 | somian | Close timing. |
| 07:51.07 | SoulChild | How do i install kernel 2.6.21 in etch ???? |
| 07:51.15 | SoulChild | without recompiling |
| 07:51.21 | xingu | simonrvn: if you need to mux/demux t1's into stm1 and you have expectations of this /working/ between continents it's a real good idea if you have a single idea about phase in the A and Z-end datacenters. |
| 07:51.22 | peterS | artagnon: right, now I see that 2.6.20 snd-hda-intel has a greatly expanded list of supported devices, including the nvidia ones, so your theory is likely to be true |
| 07:51.31 | roland_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.34 | artagnon | peterS: exactly! |
| 07:51.43 | SoulChild | !kernel |
| 07:51.45 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.21.4, prepatch: 2.6.22-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.22-rc4-git3, 2.4: 2.4.34.5, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.22-rc4-mm2 |
| 07:51.46 | artagnon | peterS: that's exactly what I also saw |
| 07:51.47 | moshii | SoulChild: there's a dance involved |
| 07:51.49 | GreaseMonkey | oh, and what soulchild said - i have a linux just waiting to be installed |
| 07:52.01 | peterS | artagnon: anyway, is there a good reason not to just download a linux-image-2.6.21-1-k7 package from packages.debian.org and install it with 'dpkg --install'? this is probably an instance where installing a sid package on etch will work |
| 07:52.27 | GreaseMonkey | meh, i better just try it |
| 07:52.27 | valdyn | roland_: you need to set the windows box as the default gateway |
| 07:52.27 | somian | roland_: almost nothing, probably |
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| 07:52.27 | simonrvn | xingu: so you'll need very accurate timing source, or make your own |
| 07:52.27 | SoulChild | moshii: ??? |
| 07:52.27 | xingu | simonrvn: exactly. |
| 07:52.27 | GreaseMonkey | oh, and btw, what compression is used to make vmlinux become vmlinuz? |
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| 07:52.30 | peterS | artagnon: errrr, lenny, not etch, but you know what I mean |
| 07:52.31 | roland_ | valdyn ok |
| 07:52.31 | artagnon | peterS: What about the modules? |
| 07:52.38 | peterS | artagnon: the modules are included in the linux-image package |
| 07:52.39 | somian | roland_: XP is now being a dhcp server for your debian box |
| 07:52.47 | valdyn | somian: no |
| 07:52.50 | somian | yes |
| 07:52.50 | artagnon | peterS: oh they are? |
| 07:52.54 | artagnon | I should then try it |
| 07:52.58 | simonrvn | eeew win32 exposed to the 'net |
| 07:53.00 | somian | That's what ICS does |
| 07:53.06 | peterS | artagnon: yep, that's why the image package is like 50 MB of download. the kernel image by itself isn't anywhere near that. |
| 07:53.15 | roland_ | Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 07:53.15 | roland_ | done. |
| 07:53.20 | simonrvn | more like 5-7 |
| 07:53.27 | SoulChild | sorry for aksing again: but how do i install precompled kernel 2.6.21 in etch ???? |
| 07:53.40 | peterS | SoulChild: do what I just suggested to artagnon, actually (: |
| 07:53.49 | xingu | simonrvn: the neat thing about even digital tdm is that recovering a given timeslot means you need to agree at both ends as to /when/ it starts and ends |
| 07:54.07 | valdyn | roland_: route add default gw 192.168.0.2 |
| 07:54.14 | xingu | simonrvn: and phase jitter results directly in framing error |
| 07:54.15 | SoulChild | peterS: thanks |
| 07:54.16 | peterS | SoulChild: (well, I told him to use a -k7 kernel because I guessed he was using an athlon based on the fact that he's got an nvidia motherboard. you may have something else) |
| 07:54.19 | valdyn | roland_: question is why you would want to use the windows pc for that |
| 07:54.29 | valdyn | roland_: when you already have a dedicated router |
| 07:54.42 | somian | I have the same kind of configuration you are doing, at my family's house, roland_ ... basically (there's a firewalling adsl modem/router betw winXP and the Net in my case) |
| 07:54.45 | roland_ | valdyn: because router cant work on internet, my stupid isp needs to add the mac |
| 07:54.52 | artagnon | peterS: What's amd k7? I'm running Amd64 X2 3800+ in 32 bit |
| 07:55.08 | artagnon | peterS: in otehr words, is k7 my arch? |
| 07:55.12 | somian | So I know it works, been that way for months |
| 07:55.19 | peterS | artagnon: k7 is AMD 32-bit. k8 is 64-bit. so k7 will work, but you may want to use the amd64 kernel image instead |
| 07:55.23 | valdyn | artagnon: k7 is support by your k8 |
| 07:55.43 | peterS | artagnon: however, note that if you use certain software, notably iptables, you can't use a 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit install |
| 07:55.47 | artagnon | valdyn: ok |
| 07:55.48 | peterS | artagnon: for most software it'll work fine |
| 07:55.59 | simonrvn | xingu: ok. what's a tdm? |
| 07:56.00 | artagnon | peterS: no! I don't want a 64 bit kernel |
| 07:56.01 | somian | roland_: you got /etc/network/interfaces set up to start a dhcp client when you bring up eth0 ? |
| 07:56.06 | artagnon | all my software is 32 bit |
| 07:56.13 | roland_ | suuuper, internet works now |
| 07:56.16 | roland_ | on debian box |
| 07:56.16 | artagnon | peterS: K7 is all right, no? |
| 07:56.17 | roland_ | yeei |
| 07:56.26 | somian | heh |
| 07:56.26 | peterS | artagnon: as I said, for most software, a 64-bit kernel and 32-bit software will be fine. it's just certain stuff closely tied to the kernel, like iptables, that would give problems |
| 07:56.34 | peterS | artagnon: k7 should be fine, in any case |
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| 07:57.00 | simonrvn | !tdm |
| 07:57.16 | xingu | simonrvn: time division multiplexing; it's the basis of most data service |
| 07:57.19 | George2 | Debian 4.0 is out and stable right? |
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| 07:57.28 | valdyn | George2: ya |
| 07:57.35 | SoulChild | what is the differnece between kernel 486 and 686??? |
| 07:57.38 | simonrvn | xingu: 'k, thanks |
| 07:57.41 | George2 | kthx valdyn |
| 07:57.44 | artagnon | peterS: thanks. I'm downloading it now. I'll get back to you if I have issues with booting the kernel |
| 07:57.46 | roland_ | how can i use X on debian box on my lan from my windows box ? i want to have Xorg/fluxbox setup.. can it be done trough vnc? |
| 07:57.51 | peterS | artagnon: the main reason to use a 64-bit kernel would be (a) slight speed gain, (b) ability to use more than 1 GB of memory without weird hacks or slowdowns. if you don't have that much memory, it's no big deal either way |
| 07:57.59 | valdyn | SoulChild: the instruction set they use |
| 07:58.13 | SoulChild | valdyn: instruction set ? |
| 07:58.15 | valdyn | SoulChild: 686 should be faster on a 686+ cpu |
| 07:58.18 | simonrvn | George2: has been for a while |
| 07:58.36 | xingu | simonrvn: it's pretty rare for a service to have no tdm component; there may be spectral or frequency division atop, but underneath it all, you'll usually find a tdm service too. |
| 07:58.44 | valdyn | SoulChild: sure, every cpu 'branch' has a different set of instructions ( though they largely overlap ) |
| 07:58.48 | George2 | I see, I realised yesterday simonrvn! |
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| 07:59.31 | artagnon | peterS: oh damn, more than 1G is a problem with a 32 bit kernel eh? I didn't know |
| 07:59.41 | valdyn | artagnon: not exactly |
| 07:59.45 | somian | roland_: you want to do what now? |
| 07:59.53 | artagnon | valdyn: what do you mean? |
| 08:00.19 | artagnon | peterS: I'll also try out the 64 bit kernel later |
| 08:00.24 | roland_ | use X/fluxbox on debian pc remotely from windows xp |
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| 08:00.29 | valdyn | artagnon: its not even 1G that is support by a 32-bit kernel at minimum, but debian kernels ship with highmem support enabled, giving you support for close to 4G |
| 08:00.54 | artagnon | valdyn: ah highmem is built in. Then there's no issue |
| 08:00.56 | simonrvn | xingu: *nods*. being that a lot of shit depends on having good timing, and esp. if you're crossing water (e.g. ocean-sized), you'd have to... "node A: hey i sent that 2 minutes ago! node F: no you didn't! you haven't sent it yet!" |
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| 08:01.31 | somian | Yeah, I guess you want a VNC server running on the Debian box then and a client like TightVNC on XP. |
| 08:01.31 | peterS | artagnon: right, I couldn't remember whether we had highmem enabled. no issue except that highmem still does entail a _slight_ slowdown for access to more than 1G memory |
| 08:01.31 | xingu | moshii: here's a common vendor/ family and a good writeup; http://time.qnan.org/ |
| 08:01.37 | mazzanet | hrmmm |
| 08:01.45 | xingu | simonrvn: yep. |
| 08:01.47 | roland_ | somian, right |
| 08:01.48 | roland_ | ok thanks |
| 08:01.58 | valdyn | artagnon: unless you use the -386 kernel, i believe, but i guess you wouldnt use that one anyway |
| 08:02.02 | BusMaster | I am planning to buy an AMD Turion X2 based laptop. Does linux work well with that processor? I mean 1) Will I _HAVE_ to install 64 bit debian or can I install 32 bit? 2) If I install 64 bit kernal, will any app intended for 32 bit be install-able and execute-able ? |
| 08:02.06 | mazzanet | samba got updated in the last apt upgrade i did |
| 08:02.12 | xingu | simonrvn: it's a fun problem area, and it's pretty rare you get a chance to get involved in the buildout of something like that as a systems person |
| 08:02.13 | somian | Shouldn't be hard, just a matter of installing software now roland_ |
| 08:02.17 | mazzanet | and now winxp is prompting for a password to the user Guest |
| 08:02.38 | xingu | simonrvn: obviously once it's lit and carrying server there's large "thou shalt not touch"'s put everywhere for eternity |
| 08:02.39 | valdyn | BusMaster: all of the above, but 32-bit apps on 64-bit system means you dont get apt-get support for those apps |
| 08:02.48 | artagnon | peterS && valdyn: Thanks for your inputs. I'll use amd64 for myself and see |
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| 08:03.02 | simonrvn | xingu: for sure. usually it's already been done ages ago. but in "north america', the networks are old, so sooner or later they're going to/are having to update stuff |
| 08:03.11 | xingu | yep |
| 08:03.11 | roland_ | can vnc be used with linux text console or only ssh/telnet? |
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| 08:03.26 | BusMaster | valdyn: oh. well, can I just pretend that it's a regular 32 bit processor and install linux and apps like ..uh..like "normal" ? |
| 08:03.28 | xand | roland_: ssh |
| 08:03.28 | peterS | artagnon: yeah, nice thing is, you can install multiple kernels and boot any of them at any time, so if the amd64 kernel doesn't work out for you, you have an easy way home |
| 08:03.30 | jelly-home | valdyn: does debian not have a 32bit firefox package for amd64? |
| 08:03.34 | valdyn | BusMaster: sure |
| 08:03.43 | artagnon | peterS: yeah :P |
| 08:03.55 | valdyn | jelly-home: nope |
| 08:04.09 | jelly-home | strange. |
| 08:04.11 | xingu | simonrvn: NA is going crazy with metro sonet at the moment; managed dwdm, sonet service, mpls or ethernet packet framing |
| 08:04.16 | valdyn | jelly-home: why strange? |
| 08:04.33 | xingu | simonrvn: some of it better designed/ monitored than others ;) |
| 08:04.35 | jelly-home | valdyn: I've heard some other distros have it and it's rather useful. |
| 08:05.03 | valdyn | jelly-home: that's for flash, sure, but debian wouldnt do that. Plus flash can run in a 64-bit browser too now |
| 08:05.03 | roland_ | wich is better for unix / linux workstation/server (not games,graphics,multimedia etc) : athlon64 X2 or Intel Core 2 Duo ? performance-wise |
| 08:05.07 | xand | jelly-home: debian doesn't have 64-bit firefox package either :P |
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| 08:05.26 | valdyn | roland_: you get waht you pay for mostly |
| 08:05.26 | BusMaster | valdyn: 1) will that make it slower than an equivalent 32 bit processor? 2) if I install regular 32 bit sarge with apps, then compile a 64 bit kernel from source (is it possible?) and then run all installed 32 bit apps with the 64 bit kernel will 1) the existing apps run faster as compared to the 32 bit kernl and ii) will i then still be able to apt-get 32 bit apps ? |
| 08:05.29 | jelly-home | xand: s/firefox/icebucket/g :-P |
| 08:05.43 | valdyn | roland_: and there's more expensive core2 than athlon64 x2 afaik |
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| 08:06.45 | ribasushi | hi everyone |
| 08:07.06 | simonrvn | xingu: heheh... i read here on one of the pages "...for example, in the time stamping of financial transactions.". blah, figures $$ has to be involved in this... |
| 08:09.06 | valdyn | roland_: athlon64 cpus have the better memory bandwidth. Intel cpus have the faster alus. If any of that matters to you, only your own real world experience can tell really |
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| 08:09.06 | moshii | ok.. I think I have my own gps timesource now, cool |
| 08:09.07 | ribasushi | I am looking for an automatic way to set the readahead on lvm2 LVs in debian |
| 08:09.07 | valdyn | roland_: real world more often than not isn't really throttled by cpu power, i think |
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| 08:09.07 | valdyn | roland_: but harddisks |
| 08:09.07 | valdyn | roland_: or lack of ram |
| 08:09.07 | ribasushi | is there indeed no infratructure for this, and I should whip a local startup script? |
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| 08:09.07 | xingu | moshii: run ntpq; then use lass; then psta <associd> |
| 08:09.07 | BusMaster | valdyn: any ideas? |
| 08:09.07 | xingu | moshii: and paste the last for me? |
| 08:09.07 | exalted | Hi. I'm trying to fill a bug report with "reportbug", but having "LookupError: unknown encoding: ISO-8859-9" error message. How can i solve this issue? Thanks. |
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| 08:09.34 | valdyn | BusMaster: they will run faster, but its most likely not worth the effort |
| 08:09.52 | xingu | simonrvn: it usually is. :) |
| 08:09.53 | moshii | xingu: filtdisp= 16000.0 16000.0 16000.0 16000.0 16000.0 16000.0 16000.0 16000.0 |
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| 08:10.01 | mazzanet | any ideas? |
| 08:10.06 | xingu | moshii: um on a paster site; I want the whole lot from psta |
| 08:10.10 | jelly-home | ribasushi: using blockdev? I don't think there is anything already set up. |
| 08:10.21 | moshii | xingu: ok :) |
| 08:10.28 | xingu | moshii: and this should be for your gps timesource association obviously |
| 08:10.31 | artagnon | peterS && valdyn: Another thing. When exactly is an initial ramdisk (initrd) essential? |
| 08:10.42 | moshii | xingu: there are two associd's .. |
| 08:10.42 | valdyn | artagnon: wrong question |
| 08:10.44 | simonrvn | xingu: yeh |
| 08:10.49 | artagnon | valdyn: huh? |
| 08:10.56 | valdyn | artagnon: it never is. |
| 08:11.00 | xingu | moshii: the right one will have dstaddr=127.something |
| 08:11.03 | valdyn | artagnon: 'what's it good for?' |
| 08:11.04 | peterS | artagnon: any time your kernel hasn't been compiled specifically to include (not as a module) everything needed to access the hard disk with your root filesystem on it |
| 08:11.10 | xingu | moshii: or just paste both |
| 08:11.29 | peterS | artagnon: also, any time you need to set up anything complex in order to get to your root filesystem, such as LVM, encryption, and in some cases, RAID |
| 08:11.37 | moshii | xingu: ok, found it, I'll paste it somewhere now |
| 08:11.48 | artagnon | peterS: ah I see. And you put the rest of it on the ramdisk because modules can't be loaded there? |
| 08:11.51 | valdyn | artagnon: answer: a monolothic kernel with all drivers compiled in gets HUGE, an initrd though can be deleted once the system is booted and only everything that was actually needed was loaded |
| 08:11.51 | xingu | moshii: cheers; I'm compulsively curious. :) |
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| 08:12.06 | moshii | xingu: I'm not sure my gps is in a good spot yet though |
| 08:12.08 | peterS | artagnon: Debian kernels don't include built-in support for all the IDE and SCSI and SATA interfaces in the world - that would bloat them considerably - so they always need an initrd |
| 08:12.12 | artagnon | valdyn: I see. To reduce the size of the running kernel |
| 08:12.15 | xingu | moshii: we'll find out soon :) |
| 08:12.25 | valdyn | artagnon: yep |
| 08:12.40 | peterS | artagnon: the point is that the initial ramdisk is loaded by the boot loader (grub) so the kernel has access to it before it needs to be able to see the hard disks |
| 08:12.47 | valdyn | artagnon: then there's some kinds of system initialisations that an initrd with scripts does better than a kernel itself |
| 08:12.49 | moshii | ok pastebin is broked |
| 08:12.58 | valdyn | artagnon: like initialising your lvm2 / software raid etc. |
| 08:13.10 | artagnon | peterS: I see |
| 08:13.23 | moshii | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/554795 |
| 08:13.24 | artagnon | valdyn: like if the root filesystem is on lvm2 |
| 08:13.30 | valdyn | artagnon: right |
| 08:13.35 | simonrvn | here comes the weekend spammers... |
| 08:13.38 | artagnon | peterS && valdyn: thank you for your inputs once again |
| 08:13.47 | peterS | artagnon: likewise with things like lvm and encryption, if the root filesystem is on LVM or is encrypted, the kernel is not designed to set up things like _that_ automatically, so you need something on the initrd to handle it |
| 08:13.50 | artagnon | I'll try booting into my new kernel now |
| 08:13.54 | moshii | xingu: should I keep some of the pool servers in there if I have my own gps? |
| 08:13.59 | ribasushi | jelly-home: ok then |
| 08:14.04 | valdyn | artagnon: support for initialinsg your software raid from within the kernel itself is actually being _dropped_ from linux |
| 08:14.06 | artagnon | peterS: yes, I understand |
| 08:14.32 | artagnon | valdyn: Why's that? because it bloats the kernel unnecessarily? |
| 08:14.32 | xingu | moshii: yes; but you've not configured this guy yet; 127.0.0.1 is not a valid clock driver; the server address is overloaded for local tickers/ pps sources in ntpd |
| 08:14.37 | valdyn | artagnon: sure |
| 08:14.47 | artagnon | bbiab |
| 08:14.54 | xingu | moshii: 127.0.<driverid>.<driverspecific> |
| 08:14.59 | peterS | ah, he went away |
| 08:15.25 | moshii | xingu: ar, and I think bashing keys randomly would work.. ^^ |
| 08:15.26 | xingu | moshii: what gps hardware do you have and does it claim to be nmea conformant? |
| 08:15.28 | simonrvn | moshii: see your stratum? it's 16, i.e., not worky |
| 08:15.53 | moshii | xingu: gps hardware is some bluetooth dongle, via gpsd |
| 08:16.14 | simonrvn | bluetooth, aka slow usb |
| 08:16.25 | xingu | simonrvn: refid=INIT, status=8000 is a better indicator :) |
| 08:16.32 | xingu | uh oh. |
| 08:16.33 | xingu | :) |
| 08:16.41 | maatttt | hi all |
| 08:16.42 | simonrvn | INIT, it's trying to start up (i think) |
| 08:17.00 | xingu | simonrvn: exactly; hasn't yet decoded a valid timestamp from that driver/source |
| 08:17.16 | maatttt | I have install etch without xserver, then I added xserver and fluxbox, seems ok, but the font are huge. |
| 08:17.32 | moshii | xingu: ok, been reading the gpsd manpage.. give me second and I'll try again |
| 08:17.35 | simonrvn | yeh that's it |
| 08:17.36 | maatttt | how do I make them smaller, and how do I switch resolutions ? |
| 08:17.52 | xingu | moshii: ok, so this is basically a lost cause, because gpsd in userland is adding unpredictable phase error as is the bluetooth transport |
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| 08:18.15 | xingu | moshii: but lets see if we can at least get it talking with a bit of google-whacking. |
| 08:18.32 | moshii | xingu: yep, but this dongle can work over usb too if I remember correctly.. |
| 08:19.09 | xingu | moshii: gpsd manpage - use with ntp - try server 127.127.28.0 |
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| 08:19.28 | xingu | moshii: restart ntpd; then repeat the lass/psta <associd> for that server |
| 08:19.34 | xingu | moshii: repaste and lemme see? |
| 08:20.07 | xingu | gpsd will allegedly play ball with ntpd shared memory pps driver so maybe there's hope :) |
| 08:20.23 | moshii | http://pastebin.ca/554813 |
| 08:20.43 | xingu | moshii: oh add in server 127.127.28.1 too |
| 08:20.56 | xingu | moshii: ie both; restart; and psta output from *both* please :) |
| 08:21.06 | moshii | yeah I did it according to the gpsd man page |
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| 08:21.33 | artagnon | valdyn && peterS: My speakers just blasted to life |
| 08:21.36 | somian | so long folks |
| 08:21.37 | artagnon | *bursted |
| 08:21.39 | artagnon | :) |
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| 08:21.48 | peterS | artagnon: heh |
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| 08:21.50 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:22.05 | artagnon | peterS && valdyn: Thanks for everything |
| 08:22.08 | Legality | is anyone using awstats on etch? |
| 08:22.27 | peterS | artagnon: np |
| 08:22.51 | Legality | no one? :/ |
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| 08:23.07 | moshii | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/554815 |
| 08:23.19 | artagnon | there was one ncurses interface to install initscripts into runlevels... what is it called? |
| 08:23.25 | artagnon | I just can't get the name |
| 08:23.49 | nvz | !anyone |
| 08:23.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 08:24.08 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:24.25 | xingu | moshii: hmm, configured, but insane |
| 08:24.27 | simonrvn | artagnon: sysvconfig is one of a few |
| 08:24.34 | peterS | artagnon: maybe 'sysvconfig'? I haven't tried it, that's what apt-cache shows |
| 08:24.47 | peterS | I see also a 'sysv-rc-conf' |
| 08:24.51 | simonrvn | sysvconfig is actually decent for what it does |
| 08:24.53 | moshii | xingu: I'm pretty sure the gps doesn't know where it is .. |
| 08:25.46 | mazzanet | oh this is really frustrating. |
| 08:26.04 | simonrvn | !comfort mazzanet |
| 08:26.04 | dpkg | There, there, mazzanet. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 08:26.05 | xingu | moshii: fair enough |
| 08:26.16 | mazzanet | i'm getting the classic winxp Guest auth dialog whilst trying to access a samba share |
| 08:26.22 | mazzanet | >:( |
| 08:26.23 | litage | when i checked out madwifi's trunk and compiled it, /usr/src/madwifi-2414/ is 30MB. i just ran ``svn co -r 2310 http://svn.madwifi.org/ madwifi'' and so far it's downloaded 150MB. what'd i do wrong? ;) |
| 08:26.26 | xingu | moshii: the driver on the ntpd side will reject decoded timestamps if they are insane vs timeofday time. |
| 08:26.35 | moshii | xingu: from what I can see it the pastes.. it have the right time for here |
| 08:26.48 | moshii | xingu: it's 10:26 Gibraltar time |
| 08:27.12 | xingu | moshii: no; that's your local timeofday time (xmt line) |
| 08:27.20 | moshii | xingu: oh, I see the 2036 bit |
| 08:27.22 | simonrvn | xmt=ca163341.3ba0f726 |
| 08:27.23 | xingu | moshii: you want rec= to give something in the same decade as you |
| 08:27.50 | simonrvn | and not: rec=00000000.00000000 Thu, Feb 7 2036 7:28:16.000, |
| 08:27.54 | xingu | yes. :) |
| 08:27.56 | simonrvn | heh heh |
| 08:28.12 | xingu | moshii: if you get lucky cv <associd> or cv by itself might give some clues. |
| 08:28.18 | simonrvn | kinda sticks out at you ;) |
| 08:28.18 | xingu | (depends on driver) |
| 08:28.39 | moshii | xingu: the dongle is still blinking, so it hasn't got a fix yet :/ |
| 08:28.50 | xingu | moshii: ok fair do, well wait for the fix then |
| 08:28.55 | xingu | moshii: just try cv anyway? |
| 08:28.59 | simonrvn | stick the lappy out the window or something ;p |
| 08:29.09 | xingu | defenestrate it! |
| 08:29.18 | mazzanet | hokay |
| 08:29.24 | xingu | woo, I finally get to check that word of the list |
| 08:29.25 | mazzanet | how does one revert a package upgrade? |
| 08:29.31 | moshii | xingu: what should I be seeing there? |
| 08:29.32 | rainabba | I can't remember the name, but I once found an app much like dd, but it didn't hang so long on bad sectors and could be run multiple times to recover more and more data. dd was in the name. Anyone know it? |
| 08:29.40 | xingu | moshii: anything at all is a great start - paste? |
| 08:30.12 | simonrvn | rainabba: ddrecover or something? |
| 08:30.22 | xingu | moshii: cv can sometimes dump the status that's been recieved from the driver as independant to it being put through the ntp algorithms |
| 08:30.25 | moshii | xingu: noreply=44 |
| 08:30.42 | xingu | moshii: ok so that means it's no talkee talkee to the shm segment |
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| 08:30.59 | moshii | damn! |
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| 08:31.00 | xingu | moshii: it might, if you're lucky, tell you recieved time once it's recieving one in cv |
| 08:31.21 | xingu | moshii: perhaps it won't until the dongle is locked? |
| 08:31.23 | simonrvn | it not getting sync would cause that methinks |
| 08:31.29 | xingu | yes |
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| 08:31.41 | simonrvn | stating the (to me) obvious |
| 08:31.57 | xingu | moshii: are you running gpsd with -n option? |
| 08:32.45 | simonrvn | rainabba: ddrescue |
| 08:32.58 | pingouin | which packages is glxgear ? i dont have it, when i want to test the openGL perf of drivers |
| 08:33.01 | moshii | xingu: we're in business now! |
| 08:33.04 | simonrvn | popped in my head just now |
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| 08:33.17 | simonrvn | moshii: \o/ |
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| 08:33.20 | xingu | moshii: more pastes then? from psta and cv ? |
| 08:33.25 | rainabba | simonrvn: That's it, thank you |
| 08:33.35 | moshii | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/554827 |
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| 08:33.54 | moshii | gimme a second, I'll paste all of it |
| 08:33.56 | xingu | moshii: top stuff. |
| 08:33.58 | simonrvn | status=9024 reach, conf, 2 events, event_reach, |
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| 08:34.13 | fatman | Linux sucks compared to Microsoft Windows vista. |
| 08:34.13 | simonrvn | moshii: yay :) |
| 08:34.27 | simonrvn | fatman: go back to sleep lamer |
| 08:34.36 | simonrvn | oh wait, you already are |
| 08:34.37 | fatman | Fuck you |
| 08:34.47 | simonrvn | not my type, no thanks |
| 08:34.52 | mazzanet | woooo! |
| 08:34.54 | mazzanet | i fixed it |
| 08:34.56 | moshii | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/554828 |
| 08:34.58 | fatman | Linux is a piece of shit made by a bunch of hackers. |
| 08:35.11 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.22 | mazzanet | checked the samba change and noticed a lovely warning saying that windows will break without a particular new option |
| 08:35.24 | Matt4781581 | so what is your question about linux? |
| 08:35.30 | mazzanet | changelog* |
| 08:35.41 | xingu | moshii: oddly enough the pps driver isn't syncing; is the dongle still not locked on? |
| 08:35.45 | simonrvn | moshii: what happened? lost signal? |
| 08:36.14 | robin_sz | !ops fatman trolling .. |
| 08:36.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: robin_sz complains about: fatman trolling .. |
| 08:36.21 | simonrvn | fatman: your latest playgirl didn't get you off this month? |
| 08:36.37 | xingu | moshii: the other is though; so sit back and wait for it to calibrate (reach=377) and you're laughing. |
| 08:36.57 | moshii | xingu: not sure, it's hanging out the window in another room, I'll check if it's fixed yet |
| 08:37.00 | fatman | Right now I am using speech recognition. |
| 08:37.12 | Matt4781581 | wow |
| 08:37.16 | peterS | fatman: is there a reason you're here? |
| 08:37.34 | fatman | Linux doesn't have anything like speech recognition. |
| 08:37.35 | simonrvn | Matt4781581: /ignore fatman |
| 08:37.40 | xingu | moshii: I'm a little peturbed by timecode=<null> in cv though; but the driver seems happy enough - badformat=0 |
| 08:37.57 | xingu | moshii: timecode should usually be the timestamp from the hardware unit as decoded by the driver. |
| 08:38.05 | Matt4781581 | thanks simonrvn |
| 08:38.06 | moshii | xingu: hmm on of the things still says 2036 hehe |
| 08:38.19 | xingu | moshii: sure, but they're all for 127.127.28.1 |
| 08:38.38 | xingu | moshii: which would be valid, for a pps driver that wasn't phase-locked itself |
| 08:38.45 | fatman | Windows vista's speech recognition makes linux look like a piece of crap. |
| 08:38.52 | peterS | fatman: so uh, why are you here? |
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| 08:39.07 | simonrvn | Matt4781581: np |
| 08:39.15 | fatman | Because I think you should change operating systems. |
| 08:39.22 | cahoot | vfatman? |
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| 08:39.42 | peterS | I take that as a "I have nothing useful to contribute" |
| 08:39.53 | Matt4781581 | it appears /ignore fatman doesnt work, am i doing it right? |
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| 08:40.14 | robin_sz | Matt4781581, dont worry, we cured the problem at source |
| 08:40.17 | Alarm | hello , i use debian etch with kde, i got a little problem with the meta info. when checking on the properties of a mp3 file and check for the meta info i see symbols like that "Ôï ìðáñ ôï íáõÜãéï" , i got as default the us language ,but i have also set the greek utf and iso locales. i suppose those meta info are written with the windows standard cp (dont know for sure) . how could i fix that ? |
| 08:40.19 | peterS | Matt4781581: I just added a global ignore, it ought to work ok |
| 08:40.20 | moshii | xingu: it's not good enough to be used for anything serious though? |
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| 08:41.23 | xingu | moshii: the overall setup? leave it running for 72h and see if you can get filtoffset to +/- 0.03 |
| 08:41.44 | simonrvn | peterS: my apologies for the counter-trolling, but i couldn't resist at the time |
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| 08:41.51 | xingu | moshii: if so, there's your answer, it's good enough that you can phase lock to it |
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| 08:42.19 | moshii | xingu: I don't know what that means.. but cool |
| 08:42.21 | Eulex | fatman, apt-cache search speech recognition? |
| 08:42.31 | xingu | moshii: the expectation is, I have to say, that the phase skew in the setup end to end will be poor enough that you can't calibrate the kernel pll from it. |
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| 08:43.04 | xingu | moshii: filtoffset bouncing up and down like a whore's drawers will clue you in that there are phase skew problems. |
| 08:43.20 | xingu | moshii: filtoffset from psta; the columns across are the last n polls. |
| 08:43.50 | moshii | xingu: i'll keep an eye on it.. the things sat in a drawer for 4 months |
| 08:44.03 | Alarm | okie then, something else. after removing some applications, the package manager removes just the applications and leaves all the libraries that has installed with that application behind. is there any way to remove all the unused libs ? |
| 08:44.10 | moshii | xingu: and I'm pretty sure it can be used over usb if that's any better? |
| 08:44.23 | peterS | xingu: eh? the drawers aren't what bounces up and down |
| 08:44.24 | xingu | moshii: it /may/ be that the pps driver won't provide a time of day at all (permanently nailed on insante timestamp) |
| 08:44.49 | xingu | moshii: it may be that the pps driver only provides phase (a regular clock edge) |
| 08:45.19 | xingu | moshii: not sure; by the time I got up to "pps", I was using vendor kit that did what it said on the tin internally. |
| 08:45.33 | artagnon | peterS && simonrvn: thank you and sorry for the late reply. I was on the phone with someone in Finland |
| 08:45.43 | xingu | moshii: not really |
| 08:46.10 | moshii | xingu: is there anything interesting I can with it? maybe some sort of rrdtool graphing with lines and everything? |
| 08:46.27 | simonrvn | "oooh! look at the pretty lines!" |
| 08:46.28 | moshii | s/I can/I can do |
| 08:46.28 | xingu | moshii: I think someone has written rrdtool stuff around ntpd timerstats |
| 08:46.41 | simonrvn | they have |
| 08:46.48 | moshii | simonrvn: pretty lines gets people raises! |
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| 08:47.28 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:47.31 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 08:47.37 | simonrvn | oh crap, look at the times... |
| 08:47.41 | simonrvn | time* |
| 08:47.49 | Haris | does the qmail tcp-server, ucspi-tcp provide a better inetd (or maybe xinetd in debian?) than fbsd? They say if inetd is used, it eats up all the memory if a popular service is used |
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| 08:47.53 | Haris | fbsd = debian |
| 08:48.00 | peterS | simonrvn: indeed, I got home at midnight and the time has flown by since |
| 08:48.18 | simonrvn | -0400 UTC here |
| 08:48.21 | peterS | Haris: we don't in general know much about DJBware, since none of it is in Debian |
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| 08:48.55 | xingu | moshii: http://www.schlitt.net/scripts/ntp/index.html |
| 08:48.56 | Haris | peterS: The drawbacks he talks about is it eats up all available ram if a popular service is running |
| 08:48.57 | Guerin | Haris: using `qmail' and `better' in the same sentence? HAHAHAH |
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| 08:49.06 | factor | does anyone know why I can get a new kernel to boot on debian 4.0 with LVM I keep getting /dev/devfs not found |
| 08:49.07 | peterS | Haris: but if you're running a popular service from inetd, you're probably better off just running the same thing in its own daemon mode (most servers have such a mode) instead |
| 08:49.12 | factor | I dont have devfs anymore |
| 08:49.17 | moshii | xingu: the filtoffset was 3, then jumped to 6 :/ |
| 08:49.32 | xingu | moshii: this is normal; it takes a long time to lock a pll |
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| 08:49.34 | factor | then it kernel panics |
| 08:49.36 | peterS | factor: devfs has been removed from debian kernels, yes |
| 08:49.48 | xingu | moshii: the clock has probably just become reachable and ntpd has stepped your timeofday to it |
| 08:49.50 | factor | then why is initrd bootloder looking for it |
| 08:49.53 | peterS | factor: you may wish to install the 'udev' package, which aims to provide devfs-like functionality |
| 08:49.55 | xingu | moshii: *this* is exactly why ntpdate is evil. |
| 08:49.57 | Haris | peterS: Are you pointing at the svc/service binaries with qmail? |
| 08:50.03 | simonrvn | the only thing that remains is devfs emulation in udev |
| 08:50.06 | peterS | I don't know why anything would require devfs in a modern generated initrd |
| 08:50.12 | factor | this is debian 4.0 fresh install with udev already in place |
| 08:50.26 | Haris | I have qmail on this debian server I have to upgrade, which is currently running through inetd |
| 08:50.28 | moshii | xingu: so now isn't a good time to tell all the rest of my machines to start using this thing? |
| 08:50.40 | Guerin | Haris: i strongly advise upgrading to postfix |
| 08:50.45 | peterS | Haris: I don't use qmail, see above about DJBware. qmail isn't in debian, and there are several good mail servers that _are_ in debian, so life is too short to bother using one that isn't |
| 08:50.48 | Guerin | qmail is painfully unmaintainable |
| 08:50.48 | xingu | moshii: no; wait for the pll to get you in phase if it can - it'll be 12h or so before I'd use it as a credible source |
| 08:50.52 | Haris | upgrade = include qmailqueue, qmail-scanner, messagesniffer |
| 08:51.01 | xingu | moshii: and preferably 72h just in case your own system unit is crazy. :) |
| 08:51.06 | Guerin | upgrade = rm -rf /var/qmail |
| 08:51.09 | xingu | moshii: paste psta again for me pretty please? |
| 08:51.13 | Haris | Guerin: I understand, but that is not the point of my discussion. Please control your excitement |
| 08:51.29 | simonrvn | ehehe |
| 08:51.33 | peterS | Haris: you're welcome to use qmail, but understand that probably none of the regulars here use it, so you won't get much help about it here |
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| 08:51.37 | moshii | xingu: but now I can write on my blog "I have my own GPS timesource".. it's turning out to be a ganster of a day haha |
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| 08:51.44 | moshii | xingu: yeah, two ticks |
| 08:51.45 | xingu | moshii: yes. :) |
| 08:51.55 | Haris | peterS: That's strange.. |
| 08:52.41 | moshii | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/554848 |
| 08:52.46 | peterS | Haris: not strange at all. as I said, debian includes several good mail servers, so most of us don't wish to waste our time dealing with one that isn't in debian. unless you have prior experience with qmail and thus want to save the time of learning something else, there isn't any clear benefit to going outside debian for this |
| 08:52.46 | Guerin | Haris: not strange at all. |
| 08:52.48 | simonrvn | i once went looking around at what qmail can do, and saw that postfix or exim can do anything qmail can, and better, IMNSHO |
| 08:52.51 | Guerin | peterS: oy! |
| 08:53.06 | peterS | Guerin: stop copying me |
| 08:53.12 | Guerin | peterS: i was first! |
| 08:53.26 | peterS | oh. well. stop copying me in advance. |
| 08:53.28 | simonrvn | reach, conf, sel_sys.peer, 3 events, event_reach, |
| 08:53.42 | simonrvn | moshii: good sign, that sel_sys.peer |
| 08:53.48 | Guerin | the job is in good hands |
| 08:53.54 | xingu | moshii: in syslog you might have a message about kernel time sync status change |
| 08:53.57 | Haris | pakora? |
| 08:54.33 | Guerin | Haris: little fritters made out of onion and stuff, lovely |
| 08:54.42 | simonrvn | ntpd[816]: kernel time sync status 0040 |
| 08:54.46 | Guerin | Haris: from india, though these ones are more arabian |
| 08:54.48 | xingu | moshii: that's ntpd agreeing with the kernel that the kernel pll can be set to <foo>; at the same time, it'll probably have slewed timeofday resulting in the filtoffset bump (-3.58 -> 17.50) |
| 08:54.52 | Haris | Guerin: Its native to me, I'm surprised you know about it :p |
| 08:54.56 | moshii | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/554852 |
| 08:55.09 | Guerin | Haris: oh, i used to work in the kitchen of an indian restaurant |
| 08:55.17 | moshii | xingu: it's listening on all the interfaces too.. naughty |
| 08:55.23 | xingu | moshii: so there you go - you were 0.89s out from gps time tick |
| 08:55.32 | Haris | figures |
| 08:55.42 | roland_ | in how much time do i expect to see my samba server appearing in windows xp network places? |
| 08:55.54 | xingu | moshii: notice that rec= is now the same as xmt= +/- some tiny tolerance? |
| 08:56.01 | simonrvn | moshii: nice |
| 08:56.20 | xingu | moshii: this is your clock stepped to some tighter tolerance to gps timestamp; eventually, you should also be able to lock phase with it. |
| 08:56.34 | Haris | roland_: Usually as soon as samba is up |
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| 08:56.59 | moshii | xingu: xmt == rec |
| 08:57.09 | simonrvn | moshii: w00t |
| 08:57.10 | xingu | moshii: ie, get +/- 0.3 or better filtoffset |
| 08:57.17 | roland_ | Haris: samba is up, and My Network Places is empty |
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| 08:57.33 | xingu | moshii: sorry; xmt=org |
| 08:57.40 | roland_ | testparm is ok |
| 08:57.44 | roland_ | smbd/nmbd running |
| 08:57.46 | moshii | xingu: they're the same at the moment |
| 08:57.48 | roland_ | no firewall restrictions |
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| 08:58.04 | Haris | Have you tried accessing it via unc |
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| 08:58.12 | moshii | xingu: .095 and .127 now |
| 08:58.13 | roland_ | unc ? |
| 08:58.19 | Matt4781581 | try //server_name/ |
| 08:58.21 | peterS | roland_: \\servername\share\file... |
| 08:58.22 | roland_ | ok |
| 08:58.27 | Haris | \\192.168.0.2\share-name |
| 08:58.34 | xingu | moshii: the truly paranoid would want you to see, once you're phase-locked with gps, how much skew your setup had from some other known-good |
| 08:58.44 | roland_ | i shared my home dirs only so far ( set home browseable to yes) |
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| 08:58.53 | Haris | 2) Have you configured 'workgroup' in samba (if you have a domain running?) |
| 08:58.57 | moshii | xingu: how do I manage that? |
| 08:59.01 | roland_ | how do i interogate the server to see from win xp the available resources ? net view <server> ? |
| 08:59.06 | roland_ | the shares |
| 08:59.07 | roland_ | and stuff |
| 08:59.08 | xingu | moshii: once you know how much latency there is between gps emitting a tick and you decoding it at ntpd, you can fudge that in too. |
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| 08:59.21 | factor | looks like lilo supports an append of devfs=nomount I will try that |
| 08:59.23 | factor | brb |
| 08:59.33 | peterS | roland_: something like that, there is a 'net' subcommand for this, which I can't recall at the moment |
| 08:59.33 | Matt4781581 | did the unc path work? |
| 08:59.37 | Haris | 3) I usually join the linux server to the windows domain as soon as I build samba on one (if windows is the domain DS) |
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| 08:59.47 | Haris | net join something, don't remember |
| 08:59.51 | Haris | look in samba's docs |
| 08:59.58 | xingu | moshii: you configure an upstrata timesource, and, configure so as not to trust it ever |
| 09:00.16 | moshii | xingu: just for comparison |
| 09:00.17 | simonrvn | notrust or such in ntp.conf |
| 09:00.24 | xingu | moshii: ie, you're using it to check your own filtoffset metric against it |
| 09:00.40 | moshii | xingu: if I do that now and restart ntp will it destroy what it's done already? |
| 09:01.07 | Haris | DS = DC |
| 09:01.13 | simonrvn | ntpd should have a facility for SIGHUP FFS |
| 09:01.15 | roland_ | it says acces is denied when i try to : net view <server> |
| 09:01.19 | roland_ | (net view renegade) |
| 09:01.22 | xingu | moshii: yes; the way to preserve the internal drift metric is with driftfile /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift or whatever. |
| 09:01.33 | xingu | moshii: however - every time ntp starts - it will recalibrate |
| 09:01.38 | simonrvn | debian's shouls have that in it already |
| 09:01.51 | Haris | try net view \\renegade |
| 09:01.56 | peterS | roland_: try the usual net use \\renegade\something /user:yourusername, see if it asks for a password or what |
| 09:02.00 | xingu | moshii: all that driftfile does is preserve the calculated pll vs /kernel/ timer tick offset |
| 09:02.16 | Haris | It should! work |
| 09:02.30 | xingu | moshii: which is always non-zero on the crap that passes as hardware in the pc world :) |
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| 09:02.48 | Haris | net view doesn't have any logging in credentials switches, so I'm not sure if you'd be able to see anything with it |
| 09:02.53 | moshii | xingu: hmm, I'm going to add back in one of the debian ones it supplied and I think I can get ntp to re-read the config.. |
| 09:02.56 | Haris | bbl folks |
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| 09:03.05 | xingu | moshii: good uck anyway, you're basically mostly there |
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| 09:03.19 | xingu | moshii: then just leave for a good *long* time (72h I'd suggest) and come back to psta again |
| 09:03.22 | simonrvn | i had a constant 113ms drift on one machine... |
| 09:03.32 | xingu | moshii: you want to see nice small and relatively constant offset |
| 09:03.34 | peterS | also, do you guys recommend using adjtimex with ntpd? I seem to remember dondelelcaro recommending that |
| 09:03.39 | simonrvn | i think it was a bad crystal |
| 09:04.06 | xingu | simonrvn: there's millions of things it can be; some hardware now emulates the pc keyboard/ mouse port itself in smm |
| 09:04.24 | simonrvn | heh |
| 09:04.25 | xingu | simonrvn: which results in real bad jitter in kernel land. |
| 09:04.45 | roland_ | lol idiot ppl on my ISP's LAN shared folders in windows and i can delete their files :) |
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| 09:04.47 | xingu | legacy free my butt |
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| 09:05.04 | simonrvn | this one has a constant 22 |
| 09:05.18 | simonrvn | 22.x |
| 09:05.31 | xingu | 22.x? that's not so good :) |
| 09:05.33 | peterS | xingu: hey, SMM is surely no worse than being a vmware guest (: lots of possible reasons for unreliable timer ticks now.. |
| 09:05.42 | simonrvn | not sec silly |
| 09:06.04 | xingu | peterS: and people wonder why I use vxworks dedicated kit for time :) |
| 09:06.08 | roland_ | hmm i cant use anything from windows to acces my samba ... i can ping the server though |
| 09:06.24 | simonrvn | cat /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift |
| 09:06.25 | simonrvn | 22.576 |
| 09:06.28 | moshii | jelly-home: they put address bus logic there too |
| 09:06.28 | xingu | aah |
| 09:06.45 | peterS | xingu: the linux scheduler's RT process priority isn't good enough? (: |
| 09:06.47 | jelly-home | moshii: the a20 fun? |
| 09:06.48 | xingu | simonrvn: that only updates infrequently; check again in an hour, and after logrotate runs too :) |
| 09:06.58 | xingu | peterS: not on pc hardware it isn't |
| 09:07.07 | moshii | jelly-home: indeed, which caught MS in the arse years later in the xbox |
| 09:07.10 | simonrvn | it has run; and yeh it's sticks around that |
| 09:07.14 | simonrvn | it* |
| 09:07.17 | peterS | xingu: oh, vxworks peddles hardware too? I thought it was just an OS |
| 09:07.47 | roland_ | ok samba works |
| 09:07.48 | simonrvn | mind you the box in question has only been up for ~8 days... |
| 09:07.56 | roland_ | i just clicked 'Show workgroup computers' |
| 09:07.59 | roland_ | and there it is |
| 09:08.03 | roland_ | asking for user pass |
| 09:08.07 | xingu | peterS: "real"time is usually mañana compared to stm1 timing requirements. |
| 09:08.19 | peterS | stm1? |
| 09:08.45 | peterS | not the bridging protocol? |
| 09:08.46 | jelly-home | sounds like "I can't believe it's not ATM" |
| 09:08.51 | xingu | peterS: no, but people peddle hardware that runs vxworks in this space because it makes it possible to tightly define the working set and control scheduling precisely. |
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| 09:09.17 | peterS | sorry, brain fart, I guess the bridging protocol is STP |
| 09:09.38 | xingu | peterS: 155Mbit/s optical service - sdh on oc3. |
| 09:10.15 | peterS | ahh, right. but that doesn't use ATM? (as jelly-home notes) |
| 09:10.35 | moshii | simonrvn: sorry, what was it to tell ntp not to trust a server? |
| 09:10.48 | simonrvn | notrust, but lemme check |
| 09:11.06 | sanmarcos | is there any decent software, easy to use to create screencasts in Linux. Instanbul uses Theora which is a piece of crap |
| 09:11.06 | xingu | peterS: you can run atm over subchannels on it, or whatever you like. :) |
| 09:11.26 | simonrvn | nomodify nopeer |
| 09:11.51 | xingu | simonrvn, moshii: hold please, there's something else you need |
| 09:11.55 | peterS | subchannels? I thought ATM was usually wedged firmly just above layer 1 |
| 09:12.04 | jelly-home | hmm... chrony has same version in stable..unstable... I wonder whether it's unmaintained upstream, or just works (or noone uses it because it doesn't have ntpd in the name) |
| 09:12.18 | peterS | shows how much I know about telecom |
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| 09:12.48 | simonrvn | in some denies, i have stuff like this: restrict XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX kod notrap nomodify nopeer noquery noserve |
| 09:12.54 | cahoot | jelly-home: popcon would tell something about its uses |
| 09:14.05 | jelly-home | cahoot: hmm, popcon could use a google-fight like interface for virtual package providers :-) |
| 09:14.25 | moshii | simonrvn: hmm I'm seeing my local ones still by the debian one I added is nowhere to be seen |
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| 09:14.36 | jelly-home | ntpd vs. openntpd vs. chrony: FIGHT |
| 09:14.44 | simonrvn | moshii: had it wrong |
| 09:15.06 | simonrvn | ntpd > openntpd ? chrony |
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| 09:15.31 | lamer007 | hey guys Im trying to put etch amd64 version on my asus and it stalls when booting up the installation cd just after io scheduler cfg registered ( default ) , any clue please ? |
| 09:15.33 | GreaseMonkey | ok, gonna get off now, gnight everyone |
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| 09:16.08 | simonrvn | mine stops after it's done scanning the SCSI devices... |
| 09:16.38 | jelly-home | ntp: 37619 openntpd: 835 chrony: 550 |
| 09:16.54 | roland_ | can anyone recommend me a unix-like OS,a linux distro or anything that can be run fine in 32mb ram ? |
| 09:16.58 | roland_ | pIII 450mhz |
| 09:17.05 | simonrvn | chrony i think because it's not that used |
| 09:17.05 | cahoot | jelly-home: nice to belong to a select few |
| 09:17.16 | jelly-home | cahoot: what's your poison? |
| 09:17.28 | cahoot | chrony (wrt time) |
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| 09:17.44 | xand | can I specify an hour in crontab as 19-11 to run > 19:00 and < 11:00 |
| 09:17.46 | xand | ? |
| 09:17.56 | moshii | roland_: netbsd would run on that |
| 09:18.05 | jelly-home | xand: 0-11,19-23 ? |
| 09:18.06 | moshii | roland_: debian if you didn't ask too much |
| 09:18.23 | moshii | roland_: you should probably ask around and get some ram for it.. |
| 09:18.27 | simonrvn | i second moshii there |
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| 09:18.37 | simonrvn | on both points ;p |
| 09:18.46 | jelly-home | dpkg is a PITA on <64MB |
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| 09:18.53 | xand | jelly-home: I'll try that... shame it doesn't complain about 19-11 but it doesn't work |
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| 09:19.09 | jelly-home | xand: cron is an old crone |
| 09:19.09 | simonrvn | very much so. i ran debian on a box with 24 MB for a while... |
| 09:19.20 | simonrvn | *bah-dum-tssh* |
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| 09:19.58 | jelly-home | I believe it could run, but installation and upgrading might be done on a machine with more RAM |
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| 09:20.04 | simonrvn | dpkg at full blast can soak up 50-60 MB easy |
| 09:20.08 | xand | jelly-home: ha |
| 09:20.09 | moshii | ok, can't work out how to get ntp to see this over server.. I think it's best to just take it out and let it do it's thing for a while |
| 09:20.10 | hjubal | hi, is it safe to remove a chrooted system by executing "rm -rf /var/chroot/sid-ia32/" or there is a better way? |
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| 09:20.44 | moshii | jelly-home: install a system somewhere else and switch the drives ^^ |
| 09:21.04 | jelly-home | moshii: exactly what I was thinking about. |
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| 09:21.09 | simonrvn | moshii: yeh. there's a way to do that, i can't remember how, try looking over on the ntp wiki |
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| 09:22.03 | xingu | moshii: sorry, I'm just looking something up; what you actually want, is server ... noselect |
| 09:22.13 | xingu | moshii: nopeer and notrust do not do what you think they do. :) |
| 09:22.17 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:22.30 | xingu | moshii: nopeer prevents the client/server relationship from inverting |
| 09:22.31 | simonrvn | !xingu++ |
| 09:23.02 | xingu | moshii: notrust means that you will not trust unsigned packets |
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| 09:23.51 | simonrvn | eek, sun's up.. time for bed ... waaaaaaaaaaaaay past my bed time |
| 09:24.28 | moshii | xingu: cool, that works :) |
| 09:24.32 | jelly-home | 11:24 here... coffee time. |
| 09:25.29 | roland_ | wouldnt netbsd be a better idea for my 32mb ram ? |
| 09:26.11 | jelly-home | roland_: it's possible. or Linux 2.4 (or even 2.2) with an adequately lean distro of choice |
| 09:26.11 | moshii | roland_: you can do a lot with netbsd on tiny amounts of ram, I just wouldn't expect the world with that little |
| 09:26.27 | moshii | roland_: I wouldn't go building a lot from pkgsrc for example |
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| 09:27.12 | roland_ | apache,samba,dns,ftp,mail for personal and testing purposes, this is what i expect to run |
| 09:27.17 | roland_ | no users |
| 09:27.30 | roland_ | and not all at the same time |
| 09:27.31 | xingu | moshii: the last ntpq command to get to know is "rv" |
| 09:27.52 | xingu | moshii: that tells you about your local timeofday (kernel) time vs ntpd's metrics |
| 09:28.21 | roland_ | moshii: i have that liitle because my old dell pc has some memory addressing errors at POST, i must go and change it |
| 09:28.27 | roland_ | where i buyed it |
| 09:28.39 | roland_ | actually i have 3 dimms of 32mb ram each |
| 09:28.43 | roland_ | but it doesnt see only 32mb |
| 09:29.36 | simonrvn | roland_: just don't run mod_php or mod_perl in apache ;) |
| 09:29.55 | roland_ | ok |
| 09:29.58 | jelly-home | roland_: you could try cleaning it out, shuffling the SIMMs around, the usual |
| 09:30.11 | xingu | ... pointing the system unit toward mecca... |
| 09:30.32 | factor | in lilo for LVM do I use devmapper locations? |
| 09:30.55 | factor | say boot=/dev/mapper-mybox-onetch |
| 09:31.27 | factor | or do I use boot=/dev/sda1 |
| 09:32.27 | factor | ok off to try it |
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| 09:35.15 | moshii | xingu: not making much sense of what's there.. |
| 09:35.25 | jelly-home | hmm. chrony and openntpd Provide: time-daemon. Why don't any of ntp's packages do that? |
| 09:36.12 | xingu | moshii: offset/ jitter after 72h running you want to be low - <0.3 again. |
| 09:36.43 | xingu | moshii: stability metric might be worth graphing to visualise |
| 09:36.53 | moshii | xingu: ok, I'll keep an eye on it |
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| 09:37.42 | xingu | moshii: if you can appreciate what ntpd (and clock synch in general) entails? ntpd has to synch a clock pulse and timestamp to each configured remote source and then push the result to the local clock |
| 09:37.48 | factor | does debian have a different way to boot initrd is broken for lvm stuff still want to use devfs. |
| 09:37.49 | kritzstapf | okay, reinstalled the kernel-image, same result, found out that it loads the wrong driver for the wireless usb stick, how to fix this? |
| 09:37.57 | xingu | moshii: ... and obviously also offer it to downstrata clients |
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| 09:38.29 | factor | what options does debian have to boot besides initrd |
| 09:38.41 | xingu | moshii: rv gives you the ntpd<->kernel metrics; psta is ntpd<->clock metrics; cv is the ntpd<->local-driver metrics. |
| 09:39.05 | thedonvaughn | factor, you don't have to use initrd. and you can create your own initrd if need be. |
| 09:39.23 | factor | how do you do that |
| 09:39.32 | factor | I heard some exist |
| 09:39.33 | thedonvaughn | factor, i compile my own kernel. i have no need for initrd |
| 09:39.35 | xingu | moshii: each remote source influences the quality of time that ntpd is willing to offer the kernel, and, downstrata clients |
| 09:39.42 | factor | do you use lvm |
| 09:39.47 | thedonvaughn | nope |
| 09:39.50 | xingu | moshii: to discover what that quality is - is what the rv metrics are all about |
| 09:39.50 | factor | right |
| 09:40.00 | xingu | moshii: for instance; what is your rv precision at the moment? |
| 09:40.07 | factor | I have lvm and need a way to boot to it |
| 09:40.09 | moshii | xingu: sorry, working in two languages at the moemnt.. |
| 09:40.14 | xingu | moshii: <grin> |
| 09:40.18 | moshii | xingu: I'll just check |
| 09:40.46 | kritzstapf | while the ä |
| 09:41.02 | moshii | xingu: precision=-20 |
| 09:41.22 | xingu | moshii: so that means that ntpd is confident enough of time to offer it as 10^-20 precision to a querying client. |
| 09:41.27 | kritzstapf | while the -15 kernel loads rt73 for the wireless stick, the new one (-16 updated yesterday) loads rt25 which gets 99% cpu load, how to change the driver that is used? |
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| 09:41.41 | moshii | xingu: is that good or bad? |
| 09:41.45 | xingu | moshii: depending on clock source, that can be as low/coarse as -4 ( |
| 09:41.57 | xingu | moshii: it's what you'd expect from a regulated gps tick |
| 09:42.29 | xingu | moshii: in order to offer that kind of precision, you need to be pretty confident that your own error is low and also stable. |
| 09:42.48 | xingu | moshii: :) but have fun anyway, I think you're basically done; leave it alone to calibrate |
| 09:43.28 | xingu | moshii: to get to 10^-20 precision, you need a whole lot of seconds to elapse |
| 09:43.42 | moshii | xingu: yep, at least it's being used now |
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| 09:44.13 | xingu | moshii: nb if you synch/ slave to this time - you should also monitor it |
| 09:44.20 | xingu | moshii: so that you know if it breaks and fix it. |
| 09:44.23 | jelly-home | kritzstapf: blacklist the bad driver. /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 09:44.59 | moshii | xingu: yeah, don't want my machines thinking it's 2036 |
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| 09:45.25 | kritzstapf | jelly-home: ill try |
| 09:45.40 | xingu | moshii: ntpd will self-protect to stop that happening in /most/ cases; where it can't help you is where you're silly enough to tell it to trust the local time-of-day source implicitly |
| 09:46.00 | xingu | moshii: driver I think is 127.127.1.0 but don't quote me on that; just don't do it ok? |
| 09:46.24 | xingu | moshii: better idea to announce as unsynchronised than to engineer the possibility of announcing an unregulated system time as viable. |
| 09:46.49 | tarzeau | we got new #bub-n-bros levels! |
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| 09:48.27 | moshii | xingu: what sort of benefits does this have for the machine running ntp? |
| 09:48.58 | jelly-home | xingu: you can tell it that the local source has really high stratum number? |
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| 09:49.55 | xingu | jelly-home: better to just not use the local source at all, really; unregulated /servers/ letting their local hardware vagarities loose on down-strata /clients/ which are equally wobbly is not pretty. |
| 09:50.28 | jelly-home | xingu: at least they'll all wobble in sync :-) |
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| 09:50.40 | xingu | jelly-home: yes, but the sync itself is wobbly |
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| 09:51.07 | xingu | jelly-home: skew, network wide, that beats per min/maxpoll (ie 64s interval or whatever) |
| 09:51.15 | xingu | jelly-home: very, very unpleasant |
| 09:51.27 | xingu | moshii: first benefit is consensus labelling of seconds |
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| 09:51.42 | xingu | moshii: so everybody agrees what any given (micro)second actually is |
| 09:52.18 | xingu | moshii: second benefit is in regulation of jitter sensitive applications (say, packet audio or video streams) |
| 09:52.22 | jelly-home | xingu: ah, at least you'd have a consistent monotonous time. I have this ugly backup app that thinks clients and the server have the same time. |
| 09:52.54 | xingu | jelly-home: it wouldn't be monotonous - it would have skew, and, beats within the skew. |
| 09:53.02 | jelly-home | xingu: er, what do you mean beats? |
| 09:53.38 | xingu | jelly-home: monotonos-enough at the seconds level, but not at microseconds |
| 09:53.38 | moshii | xingu: just got to find something to make use of that now I suppose |
| 09:53.41 | jelly-home | well, that defeat the purpose of having at least a local source, right |
| 09:53.44 | xingu | jelly-home: the skew would change phase according to some formula which was heat/ cpu load/ phase-of-moon dependant on the server |
| 09:53.49 | xingu | moshii: jackd? |
| 09:53.53 | factor | ahh, looks like initramfs and initrd is used for newer debian kernels |
| 09:53.54 | xingu | moshii: vls/vlc? :) |
| 09:54.42 | xingu | jelly-home: also, a client only polls the server at minpoll<x<maxpoll intervals |
| 09:54.50 | jelly-home | xingu: though for my purposes monotonous at seconds granularity is good enough |
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| 09:55.11 | xingu | jelly-home: and not every second; so when the unregulated time on the server changes phase, the clients will pick this up at 64,128,512,... nextpoll due interval. |
| 09:55.29 | xingu | jelly-home: and if you have a 2 or 3 strata tree this creates very strange effects - beats. :) |
| 09:55.33 | xingu | jelly-home: model it. :) |
| 09:56.00 | jelly-home | xingu: this requires pen and paper, but I think I can kinda see it. :-) |
| 09:56.19 | xingu | jelly-home: not even all servers at a given strata are polled concurrently; they're polled when they're due; so if they're wobbling, a client will see a different part of the wobble at each poll for each server |
| 09:56.33 | xingu | jelly-home: much badness. |
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| 09:57.37 | jelly-home | xingu: nice. makes me happy I don't lose money if time is not right. :-) |
| 09:58.08 | xingu | moshii: oh lastly, if client and server tcp stack are in phase and support timestamps, they'll play nicer and extract a little more performance (round-trip estimator converges very quickly indeed) |
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| 09:59.03 | moshii | xingu: that sounds good, all the machine is basically doing is being home to 1tb of disks and dishing it out over nfs |
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| 09:59.23 | xingu | moshii: nfs on tcp I do hope |
| 09:59.30 | moshii | xingu: yep |
| 09:59.34 | xingu | :) |
| 09:59.50 | factor | brb |
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| 10:02.22 | lamer007 | hey guys Im trying to put etch amd64 version on my asus and it stalls when booting up the installation cd just after io scheduler cfg registered ( default ) , any clue please ? |
| 10:02.49 | pingouin | which asus lamer007 ? |
| 10:03.09 | lamer007 | pingouin, Z92 Series |
| 10:03.15 | lamer007 | Z92M |
| 10:03.43 | pingouin | did you tried to boot with some options as the boot menu propose some ? |
| 10:03.59 | lamer007 | not sure which one |
| 10:04.10 | pingouin | check the menu, i dont remind them |
| 10:04.23 | pingouin | when you boot on cd , there is help to have some boot options |
| 10:04.27 | lamer007 | funny is with 32bit version it boots up |
| 10:04.49 | pingouin | yep, 64bit is maybe not really ready ;) |
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| 10:05.29 | moshii | lamer007: the amd64 boot up nukes the display on the dell power edges I've installed it on.. |
| 10:05.53 | moshii | lamer007: so it looked dead but it wasn't, boot the text installed fix it |
| 10:06.17 | lamer007 | moshii, for me it just stalls |
| 10:06.27 | lamer007 | last message is that io scheduler cfg |
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| 10:08.03 | moshii | lamer007: try one of the other boot options from the cd/dvd anyhoo |
| 10:08.57 | lamer007 | I tried framebuffer false, usb false, pcmcia false , still freezes |
| 10:09.44 | valdyn | lamer007: acpi=off ? |
| 10:09.46 | lamer007 | it goes io scheduler noop registered, io scheduler anticipatory registered, io scheduler deadline registered, and io scheduler cfg registered ( default ) |
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| 10:09.47 | valdyn | lamer007: ops |
| 10:09.49 | valdyn | !apic |
| 10:09.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 10:10.03 | valdyn | lamer007: something like 'pci=noapic' |
| 10:10.12 | lamer007 | valdyn, thanks, ill try that |
| 10:10.55 | lamer007 | valdyn, thanks |
| 10:10.58 | lamer007 | works |
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| 10:11.36 | lamer007 | valdyn, I will have to use it in grub.conf as well if I stick with the kernel shifted with debian ? |
| 10:12.21 | valdyn | lamer007: yes, unless the kernel you use later has this 'somehow' fixed |
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| 10:16.05 | prahal | humhum it looks like we have a bug in gdb . It does not stop when reaching a breakpoint in threaded application (though the doc say that all threads are stopped) |
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| 10:22.20 | ChrisW | hey all, is the nagios2 package a good one to pick or is nagios best installed from non-package sources? |
| 10:23.48 | war | Does anyone know if there is a website dedicated to Linux/Open Source programs that are multi-threaded for multi-core/SMP systems? |
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| 10:25.03 | kensho | hi |
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| 10:36.22 | valdyn | war: funny question, what do you really want to know? |
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| 10:37.37 | valdyn | war: considering that multithreaded apps are not the exception at all. |
| 10:38.10 | war | valdyn: Ive only found 2 apps that can use multi-cores |
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| 10:38.15 | war | valdyn: pzip2 and 7za |
| 10:38.25 | linux_user400354 | what is the correct way to disable apache from starting on boot? |
| 10:38.27 | war | pbzip2 rather |
| 10:38.36 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.37 | war | set it to =NO |
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| 10:39.09 | tls_81 | good morning woke up this morning and have a feeling someone tried a brute force on my phpmyadmin login... using root username I have had 2096 attempts.... over the night |
| 10:39.15 | valdyn | war: about any server ( like apache ), firefox |
| 10:39.40 | war | valdyn: I mean specifically like user apps, that do things |
| 10:39.42 | tls_81 | what do you guys think? |
| 10:39.44 | valdyn | war: ice* |
| 10:39.54 | valdyn | war: thats ^^ user apps |
| 10:40.03 | valdyn | war: rsync |
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| 10:40.37 | tls_81 | I feel Violated!! |
| 10:40.38 | tls_81 | LMAO |
| 10:40.39 | LLcoolM | is there a way to copy folders from commandline to another folder and replacing already existing files automatically? |
| 10:40.58 | valdyn | LLcoolM: that's the default - using just cp |
| 10:41.02 | tls_81 | yes the cp command,... |
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| 10:41.14 | LLcoolM | valdyn: does that even work for recursive copying with -r? |
| 10:41.20 | tls_81 | yes |
| 10:41.23 | LLcoolM | cool |
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| 10:42.15 | tls_81 | LLcoolM: if you use the -i flag with the cp command it will promtp for overwritting if your worried... |
| 10:43.19 | jelly-home | tls_81: use something like fail2ban? |
| 10:43.35 | jelly-home | tls_81: (regarding the brute force attacks) |
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| 10:44.20 | tls_81 | Jelly-Home: I have denyhosts installed for the ssh brute force but the php myadmin is something totally new... |
| 10:44.42 | robin_sz | well, is the db at all important?? |
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| 10:45.02 | jelly-home | if it wasn't important it wouldn't be installed, would it |
| 10:45.05 | tls_81 | robin_sz: its not mission critical or anything... |
| 10:45.26 | tls_81 | Its a useful thing for when I dont feel like using cli... |
| 10:45.38 | robin_sz | well, is it on a public server? |
| 10:45.43 | tls_81 | nice and easy to edit stuff quickly when my boss is looming over my shouklder |
| 10:46.04 | linux_user400354 | war, how can i disable vsftpd from starting on boot? i dont see anything for it in /etc/default. |
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| 10:46.13 | robin_sz | or more to the point, do you need to access it from anywhere on the planet? |
| 10:46.13 | tls_81 | yes its it's on a public server |
| 10:46.25 | robin_sz | why not restrict access to just the work IP? |
| 10:46.31 | robin_sz | or use https and client certs? |
| 10:46.40 | tls_81 | Robin_sz: The server is amongst many in a data center.... |
| 10:46.47 | robin_sz | why not restrict access to just the work IP? |
| 10:46.49 | robin_sz | or use https and client certs? |
| 10:47.01 | war | linux_user400354: I use pure-ftpd, check /etc/init.d/vsftpd maybe? |
| 10:47.44 | tls_81 | robin_sz will probably restric it to work IP... |
| 10:48.06 | robin_sz | or ... run it on a vhost on a different port, allow only connections from 127.0.0.1 to the phpmyadmin host and then use SSH portforwarding to gain access to it from any remote location securely |
| 10:48.20 | robin_sz | so many ways ... |
| 10:48.27 | tls_81 | this is the log in my access... only 1 line dont worry... |
| 10:48.51 | tls_81 | does posting not work? |
| 10:48.59 | tls_81 | what pastebi shoyuld i use |
| 10:49.00 | robin_sz | tls_81, is it http or https? if its http, then people can snarf your password anyway |
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| 10:49.41 | wwallace | good morning |
| 10:50.00 | robin_sz | or run phpmyadmin locally in the office, have it connect to the remote MySQL server inthe datacentre using MySQL's inbuilt SSL support ... |
| 10:50.05 | tls_81 | it's http but whom ever is doing this doesnt have password since no connection only attempts... there is one every 3 minutes.... |
| 10:50.12 | g00se | Is it possible to use dpkg-query or something to search packages that are *not* installed for filenames? |
| 10:50.46 | tls_81 | g00se: apt-file? I think is what ur after... |
| 10:51.07 | g00se | Ah - forgot about that |
| 10:51.13 | wwallace | how do i change may localhostname? |
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| 10:51.18 | linux_user400354 | does anyone know how to make vsftpd not start on bootup? |
| 10:51.33 | robin_sz | tls_81, just remember if there is any information on the db that identifies an individual, failing to protect that data is an offence under the data protection act .. sending passwords over http .. well, thats not exactly an attempt at making it secure is it? |
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| 10:52.47 | tls_81 | robin_sz: am going to look into https... |
| 10:53.28 | tls_81 | wwalace: hostname ... |
| 10:53.44 | g00se | tls_81: Thanks |
| 10:53.52 | tls_81 | man hostname |
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| 10:53.59 | tls_81 | G00se: ;o) |
| 10:54.11 | overnout | if i put a kernel patch into the directory ..kernel-patches/all/<version>/debian/ ,will it be applied automaticly ? |
| 10:54.28 | overnout | or isnt it simple like that |
| 10:54.53 | tls_81 | anyone speak german? |
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| 10:55.07 | tarzeau | !de |
| 10:55.07 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 10:55.34 | tls_81 | found a forum post with the same access.log as mine was wondering if someone could have a look... |
| 10:55.35 | g00se | tls_81: Was ist los? |
| 10:55.58 | tls_81 | I dont speak geman otherwise I'd be in #debian.de |
| 10:56.06 | g00se | I'll try ... but i'm English ;-) |
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| 10:56.23 | tls_81 | thx G00se the link is http://www.rootforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45828 |
| 10:56.54 | tls_81 | it's to do with having a repetitive attemopt to login as root ... |
| 10:56.59 | lamer007 | valdyn, just want to let know, kernel 2.6.18-4 seems to be ok with that acip without off |
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| 10:57.02 | tls_81 | in phpmyadmin |
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| 10:57.37 | g00se | Subject appears to be about a high server load |
| 10:58.17 | g00se | >>probiert da jemand das pw zu finden? |
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| 10:58.32 | g00se | Not sure what he means by 'pw' |
| 10:58.36 | g00se | Do you know? |
| 10:59.00 | tls_81 | ok going to have a play around with nmap and this wnanbe cracker's machine.... |
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| 10:59.29 | tls_81 | g00se seems way to complex to read that german forum... Thank you for your help |
| 10:59.59 | ofer | is there a program that takes pictures from a webcam and uploads it to remote server via FTP ? |
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| 11:00.11 | ofer | such as camE, but one with support to multiple images |
| 11:00.21 | tls_81 | 3306/tcp open mysql |
| 11:00.24 | tls_81 | lmao |
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| 11:00.56 | lamer007 | for amd64 the source.list might look like deb http://ftp.nz.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free or do I need to specify 64 version somewhere ? |
| 11:01.21 | lamer007 | sorry for this basic questions, but I dont use debian myself, just installing it for my friend so not familiar with repository |
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| 11:01.33 | tarzeau | lamer007: no, that's perfect |
| 11:01.38 | lamer007 | thanks |
| 11:01.45 | sanmarcos | can anybody telnet mail.cia.vc 25 and see if its working? |
| 11:01.49 | g00se | tls_81: Someone's trying to hack chacky's admin page |
| 11:02.04 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: works |
| 11:02.10 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: but it's ubuntu? |
| 11:02.19 | g00se | I mean crack it |
| 11:02.23 | jduggan_ | i dont get an mta banner back |
| 11:02.30 | dimsuz | hi! can I use testing and unstable at the same time? what happens then if I type "apt-get install amarok"? From which distribution pakage will be installed? |
| 11:02.31 | jduggan_ | ok i do now, just slow |
| 11:02.32 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, cant get it to work here, get connection timed out.. |
| 11:02.34 | tarzeau | jduggan_: just wait |
| 11:02.47 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: it's ubuntu? |
| 11:02.58 | tls_81 | g00se: It's what they are trying to do to mine... Lol they are imbeciles.... |
| 11:03.01 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, what's ubuntu? |
| 11:03.17 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: 220 cia.vc ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu) |
| 11:03.27 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, its not my server |
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| 11:03.39 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: what's your debian problem? |
| 11:03.48 | g00se | Yep. What's the crack attempt interval? |
| 11:03.53 | sanmarcos | none, I just wanted somebody to check if that worked |
| 11:04.02 | tls_81 | every 4 or five minutes... |
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| 11:04.12 | tls_81 | I dont want to ban them... am curious... |
| 11:04.18 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: ok a tcp/25 connection can be established, or do you want to check if mail works? |
| 11:04.25 | tls_81 | maybe I should... |
| 11:04.40 | tls_81 | ok going to add hosts.deny |
| 11:04.47 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, if you get a connection, thats all, cant get it here, says filtered even on nmap. |
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| 11:05.17 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: maybe they block you? |
| 11:05.39 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, or my isp, dont know... I just joined cia.vc so.. |
| 11:05.45 | sanmarcos | you on a dynamic ip? |
| 11:06.12 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: yes i'm on dyn.ip. yeah could be your isp too |
| 11:07.05 | tls_81 | g00se: banned |
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| 11:07.15 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, meaning they filter my 25 outgoing |
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| 11:07.39 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: yes |
| 11:07.43 | g00se | Better would be to only allow yourself rather than to ban them |
| 11:07.53 | g00se | (If you can) |
| 11:08.25 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, well then, better set my mta to relay_host through my isp's smtp. AT&T sucks |
| 11:08.37 | sanmarcos | its not their fault though... |
| 11:08.40 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: yes or change ISP |
| 11:08.45 | tls_81 | g00se: I think I might remove phpmyadmin and just force myself to breathe when my boss is looking over my shoulder whilst using mysql in CLI |
| 11:08.55 | sanmarcos | it doesnt matter, it all goes through AT&T anyways, all DSL lines |
| 11:09.07 | sanmarcos | at&t is the cheaper and with best service |
| 11:09.09 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: ok, but that would not be a proper ISP |
| 11:09.14 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: one that blocks ports |
| 11:09.28 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, for home dynamic dsl/cable? Id say most do |
| 11:09.34 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: mine don't |
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| 11:09.40 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: and even then it would not be correct |
| 11:09.45 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: it is a internet provider |
| 11:09.45 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, spam and botnets are just out of control. |
| 11:09.48 | tarzeau | not an internet blocker |
| 11:10.00 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: that's up to the one abusing the network |
| 11:10.00 | sanmarcos | well hey, so many things arent right in this country |
| 11:10.13 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: i don't send spam, nor do i run bots, or am part of a botnet |
| 11:10.19 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: so do i have no right to have PROPER internet? |
| 11:10.25 | tarzeau | (ie no ports blocked). yes i do |
| 11:10.38 | tarzeau | an isp blocking just all is just bullshit |
| 11:10.42 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, at&t, comcast do it, thats a pretty big chunk of the network. Either way, I shouldnt be running an MTA (outgoing) with my dynamic ip, everybody will block me anyways |
| 11:10.51 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: so they suck |
| 11:11.04 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: that's not true, i run one, and not everybody blocks me |
| 11:11.09 | sanmarcos | I know its bullshit, but it is what it is, thanks Microsoft for producing so much shitty OSes that get infected so easily |
| 11:11.12 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: actually most don't, except @hotmail.com |
| 11:11.26 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: this is a microsoft problem. i don't have microsoft software |
| 11:11.38 | sanmarcos | the status quo is being lowered day by day, now expect bandwith throttling.. |
| 11:11.44 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, yes, but it affects us all... |
| 11:11.49 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: that is not the solution |
| 11:11.56 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: the solution is that microsoft fix their shit |
| 11:12.09 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: i don't care. i don't have to do anything with them. i'm not affected |
| 11:12.09 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, you have to be more realistic and pragmatic, its all about money |
| 11:12.18 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: huh? |
| 11:12.22 | sanmarcos | I wish I could think like that, its the right way, but it just does not work |
| 11:12.25 | tarzeau | i disagree |
| 11:12.37 | tarzeau | works for me. it's up to you to make it work or not |
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| 11:12.51 | tarzeau | everyone can make their own rules, and do after them |
| 11:13.12 | tarzeau | my rule is, if you want to mail with me, you get mail from my dynamic ip smtp host |
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| 11:13.32 | sanmarcos | even if I wanted to change providers, I have a contract, and if I cut my internet, my phone bill goes up, etc |
| 11:13.58 | sanmarcos | thats if even I can find a provider that doesnt block 25. The truth is, in today's internet, its not a good idea to run your MTA |
| 11:14.06 | sanmarcos | I am lucky that AT&T does not block 80 incoming |
| 11:14.17 | sanmarcos | it is what it is, reality, sad but true. |
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| 11:14.38 | tarzeau | i disagree, but oh well |
| 11:14.41 | tarzeau | we won't get anywhere |
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| 11:14.48 | sanmarcos | you disagree how? |
| 11:14.55 | tarzeau | everyone can run their own MTA |
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| 11:15.02 | tarzeau | good or bad is not up to us to decide |
| 11:15.02 | sanmarcos | I mean, this is the truth. I know its WRONG (what they do) |
| 11:15.21 | sanmarcos | but a lot of big ISPS do not let you run your MTA, because of the spam/botnet problem |
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| 11:15.34 | sanmarcos | and it only pisses off a very small part of the user base, so hey, its an acceptable loss |
| 11:15.34 | tarzeau | my isp is THE big one in switzerland, and he lets me |
| 11:15.43 | sanmarcos | switzerland, you are in paradise |
| 11:15.50 | rvalles | 13:14:06 < sanmarcos> I am lucky that AT&T does not block 80 incoming |
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| 11:16.00 | sanmarcos | the US is a step above a third world country in technology |
| 11:16.03 | rvalles | mine doesn't mess with level3 either |
| 11:16.06 | sanmarcos | cell phones, bandwith, etc. |
| 11:16.13 | tarzeau | rvalles: that's correct, an isp shouldn't |
| 11:16.17 | silver2 | a few of the people there are ok, but there's a real high douche bag ratio in that channel |
| 11:16.17 | rvalles | it pisses me off how some ISPs are doing so |
| 11:16.30 | rvalles | they should just look at IP and deliver the packages to the apropiate routes |
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| 11:16.37 | suppaman | hello |
| 11:16.41 | silver2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.47 | rvalles | actually looking at the content of the packages should be forbidden, IMHO |
| 11:16.59 | tarzeau | rvalles: just encrypt it what you don't want them to look at |
| 11:17.01 | rvalles | it'd be as bad as opening postal packages |
| 11:17.05 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, I dont know if you read the story on Slashdot, but ISPs are starting to charge for assuring that your email gets delivered.... |
| 11:17.17 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: i read /., but i cut the crap |
| 11:17.22 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: writes who? |
| 11:17.24 | rvalles | tarzeau: yup, but they do it automagically, looking at things like tcp port |
| 11:17.28 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: my isp doesn't do email |
| 11:17.33 | rvalles | tarzeau: which they MUST not care about! |
| 11:17.34 | sanmarcos | the whole infrastructure of what makes the internet great its going to go to hell if we dont put limits on these companies. |
| 11:17.37 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: my isp is an internet provider |
| 11:17.42 | rvalles | it pisses me off. |
| 11:17.45 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: the rest i can do myself |
| 11:18.27 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, when you send an email, as you might know, it has to travel throgh many hops, they might start charing for email delivery |
| 11:18.36 | dimsuz | hi! can I use testing and unstable at the same time? what happens then if I type "apt-get install amarok"? From which distribution pakage will be installed? |
| 11:18.36 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: bullshit |
| 11:18.44 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: this will never happen |
| 11:18.44 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, it will never happen? |
| 11:18.47 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: no |
| 11:18.50 | sanmarcos | its fud? |
| 11:18.56 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: yes absolute fud |
| 11:19.10 | tarzeau | dimsuz: you can't |
| 11:19.15 | sanmarcos | what about ISP's blocking 25 outgoing? |
| 11:19.17 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 11:19.17 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
| 11:19.21 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: they are shit |
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| 11:19.24 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: they will die |
| 11:19.28 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: they are not ISP |
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| 11:19.36 | dimsuz | tarzeau: got it. thanks |
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| 11:19.40 | sanmarcos | technically not, but what matters is the money |
| 11:19.45 | sanmarcos | thats all they care about |
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| 11:19.56 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: some isps are non-commercial you know |
| 11:20.01 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: think of universities |
| 11:20.13 | sanmarcos | "Hey if we can cut 30% of our spam traffic by blocking 25 for our home users, lets do it" |
| 11:20.26 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: the thing is , it won't work |
| 11:20.35 | sanmarcos | its working right now |
| 11:20.39 | Juerd | sanmarcos: Blocking port 25 outgoing is standard practice in .nl now |
| 11:20.41 | sanmarcos | as we speak, all over the world. |
| 11:20.44 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: it's known who the spammers are, and where they come from |
| 11:20.47 | sanmarcos | Juerd, same in the US it seems |
| 11:20.52 | Juerd | sanmarcos: In the end, it benefits users. |
| 11:20.56 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: matter of organisation to block the right people, fast enough |
| 11:21.00 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: it's just isps are slow |
| 11:21.06 | Juerd | sanmarcos: And it took real guts from ISPs to take this step. |
| 11:21.11 | sanmarcos | Juerd, that is what I said, but it pisses off minorities like me, that want to run an MTA |
| 11:21.14 | tarzeau | Juerd: i doubt |
| 11:21.34 | Juerd | sanmarcos: Use your ISP's SMTP as a smarthost for all outgoing mail |
| 11:21.45 | tarzeau | Juerd: what if theirs break? |
| 11:21.50 | tarzeau | Juerd: that's just bad! |
| 11:21.52 | cahoot | horror |
| 11:21.54 | tarzeau | Juerd: oh and yes, they break! |
| 11:21.58 | Juerd | sanmarcos: If you're using an end user DSL or cable line, you're already blacklisted at many sites *anyway*. |
| 11:21.59 | sanmarcos | Juerd, yep, that is what I am setting |
| 11:22.01 | tarzeau | Juerd: even those of the national largest ISPs |
| 11:22.06 | sanmarcos | Juerd, indeed, so might as well. |
| 11:22.08 | thedonvaughn | a lot of ISPs in the US do port 25 blocking as well |
| 11:22.10 | tarzeau | Juerd: i wouldn't trust my isp for any layer 3 daemons |
| 11:22.16 | Juerd | tarzeau: Then you're fucked. |
| 11:22.17 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: they all suck |
| 11:22.18 | rvalles | 13:19:17 < dpkg> Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your |
| 11:22.21 | rvalles | scary |
| 11:22.22 | tarzeau | Juerd: indeed. hilarious |
| 11:22.31 | thedonvaughn | yah it's a dumb solution to block spammers |
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| 11:22.34 | Juerd | tarzeau: But you're fucked anyway, if you want to run an autonomous SMTP server from home. |
| 11:22.34 | tarzeau | rvalles: then don't mix repos |
| 11:22.41 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: i didn't say that |
| 11:22.46 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: just don't block non-spammers |
| 11:23.00 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: you can't put 20 people into jail because you think one of them is the murderer |
| 11:23.02 | sanmarcos | not practical |
| 11:23.04 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: you don't get that, do you? |
| 11:23.14 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau, i'm not advocating it man... why are you yelling at me? |
| 11:23.15 | sanmarcos | this is not 20 people, this is millions |
| 11:23.21 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau, i think it's retarded |
| 11:23.26 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: so block all of them? what's that good for? |
| 11:23.30 | Juerd | tarzeau: Your ISP usually doesn't like or support it, receiving servers often blacklist entire domestic IP ranges. |
| 11:23.34 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: then you can as well turn off smtp worldwide |
| 11:23.43 | Juerd | 13:23 < tarzeau> thedonvaughn: you can't put 20 people into jail because you think one of them is the murderer |
| 11:23.52 | tarzeau | Juerd: you know my isps mailserver have been in spamlists too. |
| 11:23.52 | Juerd | tarzeau: No, but you can annoy 20 people because one is a murderer. |
| 11:23.53 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, block the home users |
| 11:24.00 | tarzeau | Juerd: i fucking don't want to use my SHIT ISP smtp hosts. i have my own |
| 11:24.16 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: NOT ALL of them |
| 11:24.16 | Juerd | tarzeau: Apparently your ISP sucks. Change ISPs? |
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| 11:24.16 | DudeMan | i uncommented the two lines in the xstartup file, but i still dont get a whole desktop GUI session without starting startkde. any idea what I'm doing warong |
| 11:24.16 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: just block the spammers |
| 11:24.16 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: what's so hard about this? |
| 11:24.24 | tarzeau | Juerd: no it doesn't, i can run my own smtp |
| 11:24.33 | tarzeau | Juerd: my isp doesn't block tcp/25 in or out |
| 11:24.39 | tarzeau | Juerd: got it? |
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| 11:24.49 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau, i don't get it |
| 11:24.49 | tarzeau | Juerd: my isp is an isp, not a mail provider |
| 11:25.00 | oMish | The old utility 'pr' -- which package contains it ? |
| 11:25.02 | Juerd | I happen to have this country's very best ISP (xs4all), but I still run my own SMTP server because I like full control over my mail. It is colocated because running a mail server from your home is pointless these days. |
| 11:25.27 | Juerd | tarzeau: Then still you're probably blacklisted or about to be blacklisted, just for using a home line. |
| 11:25.27 | tarzeau | Juerd: i know people with colocated homes |
| 11:25.44 | tarzeau | Juerd: not as much as i'd have problems |
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| 11:25.52 | tarzeau | Juerd: it's maybe 1 % that causes problems |
| 11:26.06 | Juerd | You don't mail to .nl hosts much, do you? :) |
| 11:26.10 | cahoot | colocated homes - appartment buildings? |
| 11:26.10 | xand | my home IP tends not to get blacklisted, being a rather geeky isp |
| 11:26.16 | tarzeau | Juerd: never |
| 11:26.20 | Juerd | Here, some big ISPs block all domestic IP ranges. |
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| 11:26.31 | Juerd | All they canfind, that is. |
| 11:26.33 | tarzeau | Juerd: hotmail.com does so as well |
| 11:26.41 | Juerd | cahoot: Hotels |
| 11:26.43 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau, well actually a lot of people who run SMTP servers don't configure it properly and spammers can use that SMTP server to spam. you'd never know it if you're a bad admin. Not saynig you are at all, but that is the reason for it. lots of bad admins who allowed spamming on their servers |
| 11:26.48 | tarzeau | cahoot: one building, several internet lines |
| 11:27.07 | tarzeau | cahoot: k not excatly co-located |
| 11:27.24 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: you can simply check that |
| 11:27.40 | Juerd | tarzeau: That's not what colocation is. This is called multi homing. |
| 11:27.43 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: that was a decade of years ago |
| 11:27.51 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau, you're preaching to the choir. I'm just stating the reason behind it. |
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| 11:28.03 | tarzeau | Juerd: and if you have a backup mailer somewhere else? |
| 11:28.09 | tarzeau | Juerd: it's colocation.. so? |
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| 11:28.28 | Juerd | tarzeau: I have two colocated mail servers, for load balancing more than redundancy. |
| 11:28.37 | tarzeau | thedonvaughn: i'm just saying an isp shouldn't block any ports |
| 11:28.38 | Juerd | SMTP is robust. Mail doesn't disappear if a server is offline for a short while. |
| 11:28.52 | tarzeau | Juerd: i know how smtp works |
| 11:29.18 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau, it's not people running their own smtp servers on their boxes that was the problem, it was running them un-secure. So some ISPs got lazy and restrict outgoing port 25 to their relay or smtp |
| 11:29.19 | DudeMan | How to start full vnc desktop session? I commented out two lines in xstartup, but still have to manually launch with startkde |
| 11:29.28 | thedonvaughn | tarzeau, but i do agree with you, it's a stupid thing |
| 11:29.35 | thedonvaughn | my isp doesn't do it, and i'd hate to have one that does |
| 11:29.39 | Juerd | tarzeau: Could you send me a full list of your capabilities so I can try not to mention anything you already know? I'd hate to hurt your feelings. |
| 11:29.40 | thedonvaughn | it causes alot of businesses problems |
| 11:29.53 | tarzeau | Juerd: heh :) |
| 11:30.11 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:30.11 | dpkg | <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night |
| 11:30.57 | Juerd | thedonvaughn: Then again, that creates work for external sysadmins like me. ;) |
| 11:31.42 | Juerd | BTW, that load balancing is actually no longer needed since I started greylisting. |
| 11:32.11 | Juerd | Spamassassin only very rarely analyses two messages at the same time; used to be over 20 before. |
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| 11:45.26 | g00se | Surprised to see no /etc/modprobe.conf on my Etch. Thought it could be standard..? |
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| 11:45.58 | Nielsen | but /etc/modules.conf is there, right? |
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| 11:46.31 | g00se | ls: /etc/modprobe.conf: No such file or directory |
| 11:46.58 | cahoot | modprobe.d |
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| 11:47.57 | g00se | cahoot: Ah - so .conf is superseded then? |
| 11:48.40 | cahoot | since kernel 2.6 it's modprobe.d/ and /etc/modules I think |
| 11:49.16 | g00se | Thanks |
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| 11:52.09 | g00se | cahoot: My /etc/modules is empty apart from loop ..? |
| 11:52.49 | cahoot | g00se, yes - udev takes care of some module loading |
| 11:52.55 | streuner_ | Is it possible to use another SMTP Server (i.e. ISP SMTP Server) via procmail? |
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| 11:53.33 | g00se | Ah. Trying to generate initrd since i suspect it could be somewhat broken for LVM |
| 11:54.03 | g00se | (Or rather mkinitrd could be somewhat broken ) |
| 11:54.37 | zimnyx | Is there a bowling in debian games? apt doesn't find any ;( |
| 11:55.02 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, surprise suprise http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/10/0645232 |
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| 11:56.29 | b5b | what is a .chm file extension and what program do i need to open it |
| 11:56.35 | sanmarcos | xchm |
| 11:57.01 | suppaman | b5b: it should be a microsoft compiled html format for ebook |
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| 12:05.41 | zottel | hi |
| 12:06.03 | zottel | i'm trying to run soundapplications as a normal user on an R60 thinkpad... |
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| 12:06.29 | zottel | if I run them right after booting artsd gives me some errormessages... |
| 12:06.36 | zottel | so i've to run alsaconf |
| 12:06.49 | zottel | logout and login and then my soundstuff works... |
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| 12:07.09 | zottel | can it be, that it doesn't save my alsa-configuration? |
| 12:07.13 | Juerd | "some errormessages"... which? |
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| 12:08.54 | zottel | hold on, i've to reboot the machine to get the artsd-errormessage ;-D |
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| 12:11.37 | zottel | unix_connect: can't connect to server (unix:/tmp/ksocket-andreas/localhost-11f7-466ab17f) ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:867:(snd_pcm_direct_initialize_slave) snd_pcm_hw_params_any failed ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:876:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to initialize slave Error while initializing the sound driver: device: default can't be opened for playback (Invalid argument) |
| 12:11.37 | zottel | that's what artsd says right after rebooting ;-D |
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| 12:12.21 | zottel | hm, i meant it's without the unix can't connect... |
| 12:12.33 | zottel | it's just: 11f7-466ab17f) ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:867:(snd_pcm_direct_initialize_slave) snd_pcm_hw_params_any failed ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:876:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to initialize slave Error while initializing the sound driver: device: default can't be opened for playback (Invalid argument) |
| 12:12.52 | streuner_ | zottel: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:13.57 | zottel | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.30 | streuner_ | zottel: is your soundcard supported by ALSA? |
| 12:14.35 | zottel | yes |
| 12:14.45 | zottel | after running alsaconf it works |
| 12:14.50 | streuner_ | zottel: cat /proc/version |
| 12:14.57 | zottel | but i've to run alsaconf after eatch reboot ;-D |
| 12:14.59 | streuner_ | so what's the problem then? |
| 12:15.03 | streuner_ | oh |
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| 12:15.41 | scribz | anybody at debcamp ? |
| 12:15.48 | streuner_ | zottel: easy solution, just run 'lsmod' and put every ALSA module into /etc/modules |
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| 12:16.29 | zottel | thx, streuner_ :-D |
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| 12:17.45 | Tricore | Is there a graphical frontend for aptitude like synaptic is for apt-get ? |
| 12:17.52 | zottel | hold on, i think that won't work... |
| 12:18.01 | zottel | since that stuff is already loaded when i reboot... |
| 12:18.13 | zottel | it just seems that it isn't correctly loaded... |
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| 12:19.02 | dureyes | can someone send me the radio list on Rhymbox that comes with Debian 4.0? |
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| 12:20.01 | shuveb | hi, where do i put custom commands that after after the normal boot sequence? |
| 12:20.12 | shuveb | *that run after |
| 12:20.31 | zottel | cron |
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| 12:21.16 | shuveb | zottel, no every time after reboot... as part of rc system |
| 12:21.51 | zottel | if you inserte boot in cron it runs the comand directly after booting ;-D |
| 12:21.52 | Nielsen | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.12 | shuveb | Nielsen, ok |
| 12:22.50 | shuveb | Nielsen, there is no such file |
| 12:22.56 | Nielsen | so make one |
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| 12:23.03 | shuveb | Nielsen, ok |
| 12:23.28 | Nielsen | just start it with #!/bin/bash and add whatever commands you need below it |
| 12:23.31 | streuner_ | zottel: so now it works? |
| 12:23.43 | Nielsen | then chmod 755 /etc/rc.local and you're off |
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| 12:24.18 | zottel | no |
| 12:24.36 | streuner_ | Did you already reboot, after you put modules into /etc/modules? |
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| 12:26.36 | zottel | hold on, streuner_, it will take a bit ;-D |
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| 12:29.04 | stylus | is it a bad idea to run ./configure, make and make install as root? (even though the last requires root) |
| 12:29.17 | streuner_ | zottel: /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
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| 12:29.46 | hwilde | anybody else have software crash at 7:35 on sunday mornings only? |
| 12:29.47 | streuner_ | zottel: 4) sounds interesting, according to http://groups.google.de/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/df676212e3eca7cf/d8db175e6b85f484?lnk=st&q=alsa+debian+config+reboot&rnum=1&hl=de#d8db175e6b85f484 |
| 12:29.53 | qiyong | only edit shaddow and passwd? |
| 12:30.03 | hwilde | qiyong, man usermod |
| 12:30.21 | qiyong | hwilde, oh, not the id number, but user name |
| 12:30.34 | qiyong | hwilde, ok, i find it |
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| 12:30.49 | hwilde | if you want to change the name you might have to userdel and useradd |
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| 12:30.52 | qiyong | hwilde, but moduser would do? still fix the two files? |
| 12:31.35 | xand | change the name in /etc/passwd and shadow and group and other places |
| 12:32.17 | zottel | danke, streuner_, i'll try it ;-D |
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| 12:39.43 | hwilde | anybody else have software crash at 7:35 on sunday mornings only? |
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| 12:45.18 | xingu | hwilde: could be /etc/crontab -> run-parts /etc/cron.weekly -> /etc/cron.weekly/something -> oom() ? |
| 12:45.27 | xingu | hwilde: but no, fwiw. |
| 12:45.32 | Erev | Hye exist something like netshadow under linux ??? |
| 12:46.28 | hwilde | xingu, I commented out cron.weekly so it doesn't run. the time coincides with cron.daily messages in /var/log/syslog, but why only on sunday |
| 12:47.28 | xingu | hwilde: no clue sorry; try running them one by one to see which it is. |
| 12:47.55 | hwilde | xingu, I can just execute the cron.daily parts one by one? |
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| 12:49.25 | xingu | hwilde: sure; perhaps run-parts -v /etc/cron.daily as root |
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| 12:49.40 | xingu | hwilde: and keep an eye on "top" memory stats as you're doing it |
| 12:52.21 | hwilde | xingu, is there some way to jack up the system logging so it tells me when each individual piece is running? |
| 12:52.33 | xingu | yes, that's what -v does |
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| 12:52.40 | hwilde | I can replicate by setting the clock to sunday 7:25am and wait 10 mins |
| 12:52.44 | xingu | add that modifier to /etc/crontab's run-parts invocation? |
| 12:52.55 | hwilde | ooo maybe that would work |
| 12:53.00 | hwilde | but there is no global system logging level? |
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| 12:55.14 | yassine | hi im trying to enable remote access to postgresql and i have added listen_addresses ='*' and i still can not see the server listning for connections |
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| 12:55.25 | abc5 | hi all, what is better? mbox or maildir ? |
| 12:57.47 | xingu | yassine: listening, or allowing connects? (check netstat -anp | grep postgres) |
| 12:58.11 | xingu | !better |
| 12:58.11 | dpkg | [better] a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 12:59.13 | Erev | Somenone know something like netshadow under linux ?? |
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| 12:59.32 | chrisjs169 | can someone explain what 'svn: relocation error: svn: undefined symbol: svn_ra_initialize' means? |
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| 13:00.06 | abc5 | I try running uw-imap in etch-stable - it want ssl certif. = without ssl dont work, no conf |
| 13:01.32 | valdyn | chrisjs169: means that a shared library does not contain the symbol that svn needed |
| 13:02.09 | chrisjs169 | valdyn: so what would i need to do to fix it? reinstall it? |
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| 13:02.20 | valdyn | chrisjs169: maybe |
| 13:02.35 | chrisjs169 | valdyn: =/ any other solutions? |
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| 13:03.10 | Erev | Somenone know something like netshadow under linux ?? |
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| 13:06.55 | nahemoth | I can't install synaptic |
| 13:07.11 | nahemoth | could you help me |
| 13:07.18 | valdyn | chrisjs169: what's hard about reinstalling svn? |
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| 13:07.52 | valdyn | chrisjs169: or probably libsvn1 |
| 13:08.27 | chrisjs169 | valdyn: i'd have to compile it manually =/ |
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| 13:08.43 | valdyn | chrisjs169: why aren't you using the debian package? |
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| 13:09.05 | chrisjs169 | valdyn: don't have root access |
| 13:09.24 | valdyn | chrisjs169: ok - you compiled svn, but debians svn might be installed too |
| 13:09.26 | nahemoth | I have Kpackage Package Manager, but I can't find the programs I need, I am trying to install synaptic, but I can't when I write it on terminal, it says "can't find package" |
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| 13:09.51 | valdyn | chrisjs169: dpkg -l svn libsvn1 |
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| 13:10.56 | chrisjs169 | both say not installed, dpkg -l subversion says it is though |
| 13:11.19 | valdyn | chrisjs169: ok |
| 13:11.32 | valdyn | chrisjs169: so why compile your own? |
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| 13:12.02 | chrisjs169 | because i think that's the one messed up |
| 13:12.07 | Erev | Somenone know something like netshadow under linux ?? |
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| 13:12.22 | chrisjs169 | unless I somehow messed up something... |
| 13:12.47 | valdyn | chrisjs169: run /usr/bin/svn and see if that one works |
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| 13:13.12 | dvs | abrotman: yo |
| 13:13.30 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:13.55 | abrotman | how's sunday looking ? |
| 13:14.00 | dvs | quiet |
| 13:14.41 | babbage | Is there a good way of speeding up "dpkg -S"? I spotted dlocate, but is that still the best way? |
| 13:14.43 | abrotman | that's not good! |
| 13:15.15 | Arafangion | babbage: Take a holiday for a few weeks, then replace your machine with that of your kid gamer. |
| 13:15.22 | chrisjs169 | valdyn: yay it works - my path was messed up |
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| 13:16.40 | chrisjs169 | *crys* svn: This client is too old to work with working copy ''; please get a newer Subversion client |
| 13:16.41 | qudama | how can I up date kernel in debian variant distro? |
| 13:16.49 | babbage | Arafangion: <insert refutation here>, there's no need for dpkg -S to be that slow. |
| 13:17.08 | valdyn | babbage: no? |
| 13:17.39 | valdyn | babbage: its slow and its going to get even slower as you install more packages |
| 13:18.14 | babbage | qudama: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-kernel-details |
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| 13:19.46 | babbage | valdyn: well you could argue that it can't easily go faster than O(N) where N is the number of files on the system, but if that is the way it'#s scaling the constant factor is way too big |
| 13:20.07 | babbage | s/#// |
| 13:20.11 | valdyn | babbage: your assumptions are wrong |
| 13:20.21 | babbage | valdyn: I would be grateful if you wuld explain. |
| 13:20.22 | nahemoth__ | please someone help |
| 13:20.23 | xingu | babbage: it's pretty quick here the second time through; high 90%'s vfs cache hit rate and 10GB/s worth of memory bandwidth though... |
| 13:20.28 | nahemoth__ | I can't install synaptic |
| 13:20.31 | valdyn | babbage: its a possible database lookup in a database that is not meant or optimised for this |
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| 13:20.59 | babbage | valdyn: you mean, "dpkg -S" is searching a dataset which is not optimally indexes for the search it is performing? |
| 13:21.01 | jelly-home | valdyn: I don't think there IS a database to speak of? |
| 13:21.06 | babbage | s/indexes/indexed/ |
| 13:21.11 | nahemoth__ | where do you find the packages to install, Kpackage doesn't help |
| 13:21.13 | valdyn | babbage: no, it isnt indexed at all |
| 13:21.16 | xingu | babbage: 0.46user 0.09system 0:00.56elapsed 98PU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k :) |
| 13:21.41 | xingu | babbage: or 0inputs+0outputs (0major+11359minor)pagefaults 0swaps if you prefer. |
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| 13:21.45 | jelly-home | babbage: I bet dpkg authors will gladly accept patches |
| 13:21.50 | tanaka | what are the 32 bit compatibility libs need for debian to run 32 bit programs |
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| 13:22.30 | valdyn | tanaka: which library? |
| 13:22.35 | Ronin | nahemoth__: are you sure its not all ready installed by default? |
| 13:22.53 | valdyn | tanaka: ia32-libs - ia32 shared libraries for use on amd64 and ia64 systems |
| 13:23.07 | nahemoth__ | Ronin: yes |
| 13:23.14 | nahemoth__ | I have Kpackage instead |
| 13:23.17 | babbage | jelly-home: I think so too. As you will note above I started by trying to ask about what the best current approach was. There is no point in fixing something for which a good fix already exists. But various people responded by saying basically there's nothing wrong with the current situation. |
| 13:23.22 | nahemoth__ | I actually use, KDe version of Debian |
| 13:23.36 | abrotman | the who? |
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| 13:23.46 | Ronin | ? |
| 13:23.47 | valdyn | babbage: there's nothing wrong as no one needs the added complexity of this. |
| 13:24.03 | abrotman | aptitude install synaptic |
| 13:24.13 | valdyn | babbage: the point is that this search doesnt need to be fast, not that its designed well for this search |
| 13:24.20 | babbage | valdyn: the UIF complexity or the implementation complexity? |
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| 13:24.31 | Ronin | plese dont msg me nahemoth__ |
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| 13:24.38 | xingu | babbage: the real problem space is simple; there's no index on /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list and updating one as a byproduct of dpkg -i would add trivial overhead |
| 13:24.48 | kensho | nahemoth__: kpackage will do most things fine. i suppose, it hasn't benn configured yet. |
| 13:24.56 | valdyn | babbage: implementation |
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| 13:25.00 | nahemoth__ | kensho: I don't think so |
| 13:25.01 | xingu | babbage: it'd chew some space though and would need the occasional (weekly?) refresh for coherency's sake. |
| 13:25.01 | Ronin | doh! |
| 13:25.08 | nahemoth__ | because even it couldn't find amarok |
| 13:25.15 | kensho | nahemoth__: what's wrong then? |
| 13:25.17 | nahemoth__ | or any program I searched |
| 13:25.22 | babbage | xingu: I haven't looked at the code, but I guess that is what dlocate does. |
| 13:25.27 | nahemoth__ | I think it doesn't search through internet |
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| 13:25.39 | abrotman | nahemoth__: paste your sources somewhere |
| 13:25.40 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:25.40 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 13:25.41 | valdyn | nahemoth__: edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 13:25.43 | valdyn | nahemoth__: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:25.46 | kensho | nahemoth__: did you updated list of packages? |
| 13:26.06 | nahemoth__ | nope |
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| 13:26.36 | xingu | babbage: quite likely :) still, if you throw modern hardware (enough, and fast enough memory) it's not worth solving the problem - brute-force completes in <1s |
| 13:26.48 | kensho | nahemoth__: the file they refer to is a config somewhere in GUI of kpackage |
| 13:26.51 | xingu | babbage: nb, those stats are from my console - a notebook. |
| 13:26.52 | tanaka | why isn't the pkg ia32-libs-sdl availbale in the repos? |
| 13:27.25 | nahemoth__ | kensho: I tried it in kpackage but I didn't get anything new |
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| 13:27.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I make this command run at boot, before KDM starts? loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/colemak.iso15.kmap |
| 13:27.48 | kensho | nahemoth__: then there is no new things:) |
| 13:27.48 | wietse | How do I manually set the shell to use ? |
| 13:27.51 | valdyn | tanaka: because no one packaged it |
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| 13:28.09 | kensho | nahemoth__: what package do you want to install? |
| 13:28.24 | valdyn | tanaka: why do you need it? proprietary games usually ship with their own libsdl anyway |
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| 13:29.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello? :) |
| 13:29.03 | nahemoth__ | for example amarok |
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| 13:29.06 | nahemoth__ | gdebi |
| 13:29.11 | nahemoth__ | I have lots |
| 13:29.12 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: you dont. |
| 13:29.12 | babbage | Dark_Apostrophe: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 13:29.19 | valdyn | ~/.xsession |
| 13:29.31 | apt | ~/.xsession is the file for per-user X config if you use xdm/startx. E.g. "startkde". works with gdm if you select a Debian session. It's a script; put the commands you want (with & after them if they hang around), then your WM or DE last (no & on it). |
| 13:29.31 | valdyn | !xsession |
| 13:29.31 | dpkg | somebody said xsession was ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 13:29.31 | nahemoth__ | I write apt-get ..... but it says package couldn't be found |
| 13:29.32 | dererk | do you ppl know how could I manage the 'wheel' unix group, in Debian? |
| 13:29.35 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: you use what dpkg said |
| 13:29.38 | abrotman | nahemoth__: paste your sources somewhere |
| 13:29.54 | nahemoth__ | you mean |
| 13:29.56 | valdyn | !wheel |
| 13:29.56 | dpkg | wheel is, like, n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. A person who has an active wheel bit (A privilege bit that allows the possessor to perform some restricted operation on a timesharing system like TENEX/TOPS-20/XEROX-IFS...). Irrelevant in debian default configs; don't use it unless you have a specific reason to do so. |
| 13:29.57 | nahemoth__ | source.list |
| 13:30.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:30.24 | kensho | sources.list |
| 13:30.35 | dererk | Uhm |
| 13:30.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | babbage: It doesn't show in that list |
| 13:30.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | babbage: I manually installed it... |
| 13:30.53 | babbage | dererk: do you have a specific reason for using "wheel" or is it just that you didn't set sudo up yet? |
| 13:31.39 | abrotman | dererk: there's a pam_wheel |
| 13:31.39 | dererk | babbage, I want to make a few users disable to change their |
| 13:31.44 | dererk | babbage, I want to make a few users disable to change their identities* |
| 13:31.59 | dererk | abrotman, Ok, Looking. Thanks! |
| 13:32.05 | babbage | dererk: you mean disable chfn for them? Or do you mean sthg else? |
| 13:32.13 | tanaka | when i try yo install ia-32-libs-gtk i get this msg "No candidate version found for ia32-libs-gtk" |
| 13:32.19 | abrotman | i'm not sure it will actually fix your problem .. but oh well |
| 13:32.31 | Kurtism | you guys ever experience a problem with debian where when you go to a different KVM port and then come back a few hours later the keyboard doesn't work? |
| 13:32.34 | nahemoth__ | http://rafb.net/p/akmhfB83.html |
| 13:33.03 | Kurtism | the only way I can get my keyboard back is with a reboot |
| 13:33.12 | dererk | babbage, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html#s4.10.7 |
| 13:33.19 | dererk | babbage, Exactly that :) |
| 13:33.21 | abrotman | nahemoth__: try running apt-spy |
| 13:33.29 | abrotman | oh wait .. i bet he doesn't have it |
| 13:33.36 | abrotman | nahemoth__: which country are you in ? |
| 13:33.41 | raxip | hello |
| 13:34.03 | nahemoth__ | abrotman: Turkey |
| 13:34.08 | Kurtism | hmmmm |
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| 13:34.11 | tanaka | does this mean that there is a no pkg available for ia-32-libs-gtk ? |
| 13:34.12 | dererk | babbage, Unfortunatelly the doc seems to be very old. |
| 13:34.13 | Kurtism | anybody? |
| 13:34.18 | valdyn | dererk: you dont need this when there isnt even a wheel group |
| 13:34.35 | asg | Kurtism: try reloading the modules for your keyboard/mouse via ssh and see if that brings things back |
| 13:34.41 | dererk | valdyn, that was what I was asking about |
| 13:34.50 | Kurtism | ok |
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| 13:34.59 | Eulex | tanaka, there's no package names like that. |
| 13:35.02 | Kurtism | techbee do you play world of warcraft? |
| 13:35.13 | valdyn | dererk: ssh has remote root logins disabled by default too, i think |
| 13:35.21 | abrotman | nahemoth__: in that sources.list .. uncomment the 7th line and then add "deb http://ftp.tr.debian.org/debian/ etch main" |
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| 13:35.27 | Erev | Hye Someone know a program like netshadow under linux ?? |
| 13:35.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | babbage? |
| 13:35.32 | babbage | dererk: I would do this by setting "PermitRootLogin no" in /etc/sshd/sshd_config |
| 13:35.34 | Kurtism | I was on thunderlord yesterday and saw a guy named techbee |
| 13:35.39 | Kurtism | or something like it |
| 13:35.42 | chrisjs169 | valdyn: yay - it works now |
| 13:35.50 | asg | Erev: what does netshadow do? |
| 13:35.54 | raxip | ? |
| 13:36.06 | tanaka | does this mean that there is a no pkg available for ia32-libs-gtk ? |
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| 13:36.09 | abrotman | Erev: wtf is netshadow ? |
| 13:36.11 | dererk | valdyn, ssh stuff isn't enough, I'm afraid |
| 13:36.14 | abrotman | tanaka: which version of debian ? |
| 13:36.15 | valdyn | chrisjs169: ok - i dont know what you did, the error is/was that your custom svn was using debians libsvn or vice versa |
| 13:36.35 | kensho | erev: you'd better quit asking such things |
| 13:36.36 | babbage | gtg, just deleted the wrong file. Time to dig out the backup... |
| 13:36.49 | dererk | ouch |
| 13:36.51 | valdyn | dererk: no? you let people log in on different ways? why? |
| 13:37.01 | Erev | Netshadow do than you are anonymous on the web or ftp it s because in france my freee FAI don t accept ip from outside france |
| 13:37.07 | abrotman | !tor |
| 13:37.07 | dpkg | methinks tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
| 13:37.21 | Erev | with tor you can do ftp |
| 13:37.23 | tanaka | abrotman: etch |
| 13:37.30 | dererk | Erev, I've told you yesterday the same... Look for tor! |
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| 13:37.33 | abrotman | tanaka: amd64 or i386? |
| 13:37.41 | nahemoth__ | abrotman: ok I did, |
| 13:37.49 | nahemoth__ | now I am restarting |
| 13:37.58 | abrotman | nahemoth__: now .. aptitude update && aptitude install synaptic |
| 13:38.04 | tanaka | abrotman: amd64 |
| 13:38.14 | dererk | valdyn, No, the wheel stuff works for much more things. For example, you, logged as a restricted user can't do "su someother" |
| 13:38.28 | chrisjs169 | valdyn: mainly i had tried to compile svn before, but it didn't complete, and it was still in my $PATH, which caused all this - recompiled and it works |
| 13:38.41 | abrotman | tanaka: only in unstable |
| 13:38.43 | wietse | I used chsh to change my shell to zsh, but I made a typo and now I can't switch to root |
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| 13:39.05 | tanaka | abrotman: then how to get that? |
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| 13:39.14 | abrotman | tanaka: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:39.17 | hwilde | wietse, did u try reset |
| 13:39.25 | wietse | hwilde: ? |
| 13:39.33 | abrotman | it's a command |
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| 13:39.53 | wietse | abrotman: Doesn't work :( |
| 13:40.00 | abrotman | don't tell me .. tell hwilde |
| 13:40.07 | wietse | hwilde: Doesn't work :( |
| 13:40.19 | hwilde | wietse, sometimes when shell is wacked out u can type "reset" and it is ok. |
| 13:40.33 | wietse | hwilde: But it doesn't work, I'll give you the error message it gives. |
| 13:40.37 | wietse | zeta:~# su |
| 13:40.37 | wietse | Cannot execute /usr/bash: No such file or directory |
| 13:40.37 | tanaka | abrotman: where do i have to enter that? |
| 13:40.54 | abrotman | in your sources.list |
| 13:40.58 | abrotman | tanaka: what do you want it for ? |
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| 13:41.18 | hwilde | wietse, it is supposed to be /bin/bash I think... |
| 13:41.18 | tanaka | abrotman: to install crossover |
| 13:41.31 | wietse | hwilde: Yes, I know |
| 13:41.38 | abrotman | tanaka: ah .. |
| 13:41.47 | JosefAssad | wietse: su -s /bin/bash |
| 13:42.07 | wietse | wietse: But how do I change it back ? |
| 13:42.16 | JosefAssad | dude, pay attention |
| 13:42.22 | wietse | When I run chsh as root again I get "chsh: PAM authentication failed" |
| 13:42.43 | JosefAssad | vim /etc/passwd and do it by hand |
| 13:42.57 | tanaka | abrotman: i are saying that i should enter "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" in my source file? |
| 13:43.09 | wietse | JosefAssad: Thank you |
| 13:43.10 | abrotman | tanaka: in IRC |
| 13:43.15 | wietse | That was exactly what I was looking for :) |
| 13:43.17 | JosefAssad | wietse: no problem |
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| 13:43.37 | wietse | Works perfectly now :) |
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| 13:44.59 | hwilde | wietse, you could execute that manually as well /bin/bash /bin/su |
| 13:45.23 | wietse | hwilde: I could also have done "su -c emacs /etc/passwd" |
| 13:45.34 | apo_ | When upgrading my kernel from 2.6.18 to .21, it seems to confuse /dev/sda with /dev/hda. I've tried changing the entries in my crypttab to hda or /dev/disk/by-uuid/foo and updating the initramfs, but that didn't work. Do you guys have ideas what I could do? |
| 13:46.00 | JosefAssad | wietse: emacs is considered harmful |
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| 13:46.57 | JosefAssad | apo_: did you roll your own? |
| 13:47.12 | apo_ | Yes |
| 13:47.39 | JosefAssad | apo_: okay, IIRC the switchover to libata would have done that |
| 13:47.55 | apo_ | JosefAssad: I see... how can I switch back? |
| 13:48.08 | valdyn | apo_: using the experimental libata pata drivers? |
| 13:48.17 | JosefAssad | apo_: again, this was a while ago I ran into this, but try looking for libata in make menuconfig and disabling it |
| 13:48.36 | tanaka | is there an easy program to mount ntfs partions in debian? |
| 13:48.46 | apo_ | I will, thanks |
| 13:48.56 | JosefAssad | tanaka: mount? |
| 13:49.34 | cahoot_ | isn't there something like ntfs-ng? |
| 13:49.40 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 13:49.40 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 13:49.57 | tanaka | JosefAssad: to mount(/w write) |
| 13:49.59 | hwilde | !fuse |
| 13:50.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. |
| 13:51.02 | apo_ | JosefAssad: Is CONFIG_ATA the right one? |
| 13:51.15 | JosefAssad | apo_: really don't recall; sorry |
| 13:52.32 | valdyn | apo_: look for CONFIG_PATA |
| 13:52.44 | valdyn | apo_: sata devices should have stayed sata from 2.6.18 to 2.6.21 in any case |
| 13:53.07 | valdyn | apo_: you DONT want to disable that, for pata, you might have switched to the new drivers by mistake |
| 13:54.26 | valdyn | apo_: beside that it should be trivial for anyone who compiles kernels to do a hdx to sdx transition.. |
| 13:54.54 | apo_ | I did that for the first time yesterday ;) |
| 13:56.19 | tanaka | how do i use that? |
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| 13:58.27 | apo_ | valdyn: The CONFIG_PATA stuff is all unset |
| 13:58.39 | luckyshot | hey guys, i just installed debian on my machine and im in the desktop environment... what is the default GUI set to? I wanted to install KDE but during the installation process I was never asked |
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| 13:58.55 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:59.12 | abrotman | what's your current WM ? |
| 14:00.00 | abrotman | luckyshot: so install kde now |
| 14:00.06 | apo_ | abrotman: If it's the standard one, I'd guess Gnome/metacity |
| 14:00.08 | abrotman | luckyshot: there is no 'default' |
| 14:00.15 | abrotman | apo_: i asked him .. not you :) |
| 14:00.28 | luckyshot | abrotman, how do i install kde? |
| 14:00.41 | abrotman | apo_: afaik .. if he's not use a DE .. when he kills his WM .. he'll get logged out |
| 14:00.47 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 14:00.47 | dpkg | well, install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 14:00.48 | apo_ | abrotman: Well, he asked what the default GUI is... doesn't seem like he knows himself :) |
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| 14:01.00 | abrotman | apo_: oh .. i thought you meant CharminTheMoose :) |
| 14:01.23 | Spyro_boy | Hello. |
| 14:01.26 | abrotman | apo_: lucky can just install kde/kdm i guess .. then remove gnome |
| 14:01.28 | apo_ | abrotman: Oh, I thought you meant luckyshot ;) |
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| 14:02.01 | Spyro_boy | My kernel just shot a ton of crap about my USB stuff and then it said "Disabling IRQ #7" and my mouse stopped functioning. |
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| 14:02.19 | Spyro_boy | I did a bit of googling and it turns out the my entire USB chipset has been turned off or something. |
| 14:02.24 | tanaka | bye all |
| 14:02.27 | Spyro_boy | Any idea why it did this? |
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| 14:02.37 | iBookteclo | Hello, is there a meta-package that I can use to install all of KDE ? apt-get kde-deskpto-something ? |
| 14:02.55 | valdyn | iBookteclo: 'kde' |
| 14:03.24 | luckyshot | so how do i install kde? |
| 14:03.42 | Spyro_boy | luckyshot, apt-get install kde |
| 14:03.49 | zamuro | apt-get install -y kde should work |
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| 14:04.06 | iBookteclo | valdyn: ah, that's indeed easy to remember :) |
| 14:04.19 | luckyshot | okay |
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| 14:04.45 | abhi | by default debian installs gnome. Can i install kde at the install time? |
| 14:05.08 | CharminTheMoose | dumdum |
| 14:05.10 | CharminTheMoose | eh sorry |
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| 14:05.52 | Spyro_boy | hahaha |
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| 14:05.55 | Spyro_boy | WindowMaker eh? |
| 14:06.17 | Spyro_boy | You can do some pretty crazy things with those ultra light-weight WMs. |
| 14:06.41 | chemaja | abhi, maybe it's a lowpriority debconf choice for xdm/gdm/whatever |
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| 14:06.47 | posterdati | ciao |
| 14:06.55 | CharminTheMoose | I'm merely asking this because certain other window managers *glares at olvwm* don't have the ability to switch WMs via a menu... |
| 14:07.01 | posterdati | peppe: stai su #kde? |
| 14:07.26 | abhi | chemaja: what does it mean? |
| 14:07.45 | Spyro_boy | Can anyone help me about my USB issues? |
| 14:07.53 | chemaja | abhi, what does what mean |
| 14:07.54 | Flakk | hello people. I am at the very beginning of the wireless story. That is, Kwifi does not want to connect me to the wireless LAN, which is in good health, since my windows pertition has no problem connecting to this network. Any help? |
| 14:07.58 | abrotman | Spyro_boy: might get better luck in #kernel |
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| 14:08.04 | Spyro_boy | abrotman, alright. |
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| 14:08.42 | abhi | chemaja: what is lo priority debconf? |
| 14:09.54 | chemaja | abhi, one second and i'll get you the doco :) |
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| 14:11.29 | abhi | chemaja:ok........... |
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| 14:12.20 | chemaja | abhi, do: apt-get install debconf-doc |
| 14:12.35 | abhi | ok |
| 14:12.37 | chemaja | abhi, then do man 7 debconf |
| 14:12.46 | chemaja | that shit should be installed by default |
| 14:12.47 | chemaja | grr |
| 14:12.48 | chemaja | :P |
| 14:13.13 | chemaja | abhi, apt-file --regexp search 'man.*7.*debconf' |
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| 14:13.23 | chemaja | that's how i found it, after reading man debconf |
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| 14:13.33 | abhi | chemaja:ok........... |
| 14:14.36 | ctp | hi folks. anyone here knows a possibility to setup something like a "apt-cache to html"? i need all of the package infos (description, files included etc.) as a web frontend. |
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| 14:15.27 | chemaja | lol sex ed 101 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwvoKoBAh_M |
| 14:15.46 | abhi | chemaja: yesterday, I update my system. It update my kernel. In my next reboot my system does't boot. it shows kernel panic. do you have face something like this? |
| 14:15.56 | chemaja | abhi, yes. |
| 14:16.04 | chemaja | abhi, what's the exact error (use pastebin) |
| 14:16.31 | abhi | chemaja:it shows kernel panic. |
| 14:16.42 | chemaja | abhi, it'll have more info. |
| 14:17.11 | abhi | ok let me reboot my system.. then i tell you.. |
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| 14:20.36 | rocketmagnet | hi folks, does someone know where i can find debian packages for quake3 arena? |
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| 14:21.11 | abhi | chemaja: it show error no15 : file not found |
| 14:21.42 | chemaja | abhi, does it mention which file near that error |
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| 14:22.36 | kowi | Hello I'm having a problem with my tar command. What I wanna do is, tar and gzip a file from some directory. This is my command: "tar --create --to-stdout --gzip --absolute-names /some/place/inputfile > output.tar.gz" . (The command needs to stay in that form because I pipe it in my c program). How can I tell "tar" that it shall not create the directory structure "/some/place/" in the archive? |
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| 14:22.57 | abhi | chemaja: no it does't mention the file. |
| 14:23.21 | Flakk | hi people, any help with wireless connections? |
| 14:23.31 | techbee | kowi:man tar |
| 14:23.35 | azeem | Flakk: can you describe your problem? |
| 14:23.45 | chemaja | abhi, google the error |
| 14:23.48 | chemaja | with quotes around it |
| 14:24.14 | abhi | chemaja:let me explain I think i have update the kernel 2.8.18 to 2.8.20, but still the boot folder contains the file 2.8.18. is that the problem? |
| 14:24.21 | kowi | techbee: Thank you but the manual didn't help me out. It says: Use --no-recurse which my tar implementation doesn't seem to know. |
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| 14:24.49 | chemaja | abhi, 2.8.20? from where? |
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| 14:24.58 | Flakk | azeem _ I tried to connect to a wireless network (it is functioning since my windows machine connects ok to it). i could not, since kwifimanager says it finds no network. I guess kwifimanager is maybe not the best tool. but how do i connect finally? |
| 14:25.25 | abhi | I have added all repos including the testing and security update from debian. |
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| 14:25.40 | chemaja | abhi, etch? lenny? sid? other? |
| 14:25.56 | g00se | Anyone using ChatZilla FFox plugin can you tell me how to address comments to a particular person with any private messaging, e.g. joedoe: blah blah |
| 14:26.03 | abhi | chemaja: etch |
| 14:26.12 | g00se | s/with/without |
| 14:26.35 | CharminTheMoose | hey look it's a g00se! |
| 14:26.53 | azeem | Flakk: is this a WPA network? |
| 14:26.54 | g00se | Yep. But not a m00se |
| 14:27.40 | techbee | kowi: you mean --no-recursion argument |
| 14:27.42 | chemaja | abhi, you got 2.6.20 from etch? |
| 14:27.45 | chemaja | abhi, i dont think so. |
| 14:28.05 | rocketmagnet | hi folks, does someone know where i can find debian packages for quake3 arena? |
| 14:28.14 | chemaja | abhi, you have ventured out of Debian and into the wilderness. Enjoy :) |
| 14:28.22 | kowi | techbee: I'll try |
| 14:28.27 | rocketmagnet | i have the original q3cd for windows |
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| 14:28.33 | gcardinal | howto lamp |
| 14:28.52 | abhi | chemaja:ya, i will go. i don't know it shows me that kernel update available and i do so,, |
| 14:29.05 | chemaja | abhi, pastebin your sources.list |
| 14:29.11 | chemaja | i bet you've modded it to the max |
| 14:29.20 | Flakk | azeem I do not know what is WPA? |
| 14:29.28 | chemaja | or you've been pulling .debs from the middle of nowhere |
| 14:29.35 | chemaja | or worse |
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| 14:29.42 | krazykit | rocketmagnet, i'd just use the official installer and put in in /opt. you can get it from http://zerowing.idsoftware.com:6969/ among other places |
| 14:29.47 | kowi | techbee: tar accepts it but the directory structure is created nevertheless. I think it is only usefull for taring directories |
| 14:29.58 | abhi | chemaja: forget about it . . now I am going to install deb. again.. |
| 14:30.05 | azeem | Flakk: do you have Windows on that machine you're trying to connect from, and does it work there? |
| 14:30.15 | apo_ | chemaja: He dded /dev/random to a .deb file and got a kernel! |
| 14:30.15 | chemaja | abhi, probably the best choice. try not to install stuff that's NOT from Etch |
| 14:30.19 | apo_ | chemaja: Awesome. |
| 14:30.26 | Flakk | azeem: yes it works on windows. |
| 14:30.29 | krazykit | rocketmagnet, er, it USED to be on there |
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| 14:30.38 | azeem | Flakk: what WLAN card is this? |
| 14:30.40 | chemaja | abhi, you crazy bastard :P |
| 14:30.56 | chemaja | apo_, lol |
| 14:31.05 | apo_ | Hey, it might happen! |
| 14:31.10 | chemaja | apo_, i do it all the time |
| 14:31.19 | azeem | apo_: no need to make fun out of it |
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| 14:31.38 | Shadowcat | hmm this place never sleeps |
| 14:31.49 | apo_ | chemaja: You must have a fast /dev/random to get that many kernels from it |
| 14:31.51 | RvGaTe | i got a problem with my debian install... some things are only displaying squares where there should be readable text... |
| 14:31.57 | gcardinal | sleep are part of the windows world |
| 14:32.15 | apo_ | The chances are like one in 10^(a lot) |
| 14:32.19 | Flakk | azeem I can not tell it now because i am away from the network. I can check what remained in windows after the connection. Should I? but first please tell me: do u mean that there are different types of wireless connections and for each one the connection procedure is different? |
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| 14:32.43 | azeem | Flakk: sort of. You're running Debian right now, yes? |
| 14:32.49 | Flakk | yes |
| 14:32.57 | Flakk | debian etch stable |
| 14:33.38 | azeem | Flakk: then run the "lspci | grep Network" command and write the output here |
| 14:33.51 | chemaja | apo_, what are you trying to say? :) |
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| 14:34.48 | apo_ | That I want your /dev/random |
| 14:34.56 | Flakk | azeem : 06:04.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 14:35.00 | apo_ | Or you have an improbability drive somewhere around you :) |
| 14:35.07 | abhi | apo_ : what you want to say is that you are smart or what. f**** |
| 14:35.27 | azeem | Flakk: you need some special setup for that, it does not work out-of-the-box due to proprietary components |
| 14:35.30 | azeem | !ipw2915 |
| 14:35.34 | azeem | hrm. |
| 14:35.54 | stew | it must be either a 2200 or a 3945, i'd guess 3945 |
| 14:35.58 | azeem | right |
| 14:36.07 | azeem | the 2915 is like the 2200 I thought |
| 14:36.08 | stew | esp since its abg |
| 14:36.16 | stew | not sure |
| 14:36.25 | abrotman | try them both! |
| 14:36.29 | azeem | "This project was created by Intel to enable support for the Intel PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Network Connection and Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection mini PCI adapters." |
| 14:36.37 | azeem | !ipw2200 |
| 14:36.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ipw2200 is available in etch or kernels >= 2.6.15. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 14:36.49 | azeem | !ip2200 firmware |
| 14:36.53 | azeem | !ipw2200 firmware |
| 14:36.53 | dpkg | ipw2200 firmware is probably If your kernel is < 2.6.15, make sure you have the ipw2200 module installed. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download firmware that matches your driver version. Put the firmware into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. |
| 14:36.54 | stew | Flakk: what does "lspci -n | fgrep 06:04.0 | awk '{print $3}' " return ? |
| 14:36.55 | abrotman | it's just ipw22000-modules now or something |
| 14:36.59 | azeem | Flakk: ^^ you need this |
| 14:37.26 | Flakk | azeem : wait i understood nothig of what you were discussing. sorry, I am a beginner |
| 14:37.52 | azeem | Flakk: then start by answering stew's question |
| 14:38.56 | Flakk | stew 8086:4223 |
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| 14:39.30 | stew | Flakk: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 14:39.30 | gordboy | 8086 that's intel's numeric code |
| 14:39.38 | Eulex | the 2915 ises the ipw2200 driver |
| 14:39.42 | Eulex | *uses |
| 14:39.43 | stew | and 4223 is supported by 2200 |
| 14:39.55 | stew | yeah, ipw2200 0x00008086 0x00004223 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 14:39.55 | azeem | Flakk: does "lsmod | grep ipw2200" return something? |
| 14:40.06 | stew | he'd need firmware |
| 14:40.09 | azeem | ok, we settled that, let's not confuse more |
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| 14:40.55 | Flakk | azeem ipw2200 96236 0 |
| 14:40.55 | Flakk | ieee80211 29064 1 ipw2200 |
| 14:40.55 | Flakk | firmware_class 9696 2 pcmcia,ipw2200 |
| 14:41.07 | azeem | ok, food |
| 14:41.08 | azeem | good* |
| 14:41.21 | azeem | Flakk: then all you need is the binary-only firmware Debian cannot distribute |
| 14:41.24 | azeem | !ipw2200-firmware |
| 14:41.29 | azeem | tzj |
| 14:41.33 | azeem | !ipw2200 firmware |
| 14:41.34 | dpkg | [ipw2200 firmware] If your kernel is < 2.6.15, make sure you have the ipw2200 module installed. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download firmware that matches your driver version. Put the firmware into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. |
| 14:41.40 | azeem | Flakk: ^^ follow that advisde |
| 14:41.43 | azeem | advise* |
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| 14:41.55 | abrotman | advice ? |
| 14:42.11 | Flakk | azeem my kernel IS 2 6 15 |
| 14:42.12 | azeem | I'm training for Edinburgh |
| 14:42.20 | azeem | Flakk: how did you get 2.6.15? |
| 14:42.25 | Flakk | uname -r |
| 14:42.25 | abrotman | i didn't think they said "advise" either |
| 14:42.38 | azeem | abrotman: http://dict.leo.org/?search=advise |
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| 14:42.56 | abrotman | brits are freaks :) |
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| 14:43.26 | abrotman | wait .. i was right |
| 14:43.26 | gordboy | azeem, what's in edinburgh ? i live there |
| 14:43.35 | azeem | Flakk: I mean, Debian installs 2.6.18 by default, how did you manage to install 2.6.15? |
| 14:43.41 | azeem | gordboy: Debian conference |
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| 14:43.53 | abrotman | gordboy: debconf.org |
| 14:44.00 | gordboy | thanks guys |
| 14:44.26 | onur | Hi. Can i use order to |
| 14:44.31 | onur | 'du' list? |
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| 14:44.44 | abrotman | du | sort -n ? |
| 14:44.44 | Flakk | azeem it is since some time i just did not upgrade. Btw if I upgrade to 18 do I get the wifi automaticelly inside? |
| 14:44.53 | azeem | no |
| 14:44.54 | abrotman | you'll still need the firmware |
| 14:45.14 | azeem | Flakk: anyway, the module is loaded fine, all you need is the firmware, see above |
| 14:45.19 | Flakk | ok |
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| 14:45.49 | DudeMan | anyone know a free nzb site? |
| 14:45.49 | Flakk | i will try to get the firmware |
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| 14:46.12 | stew | i wonder if the 3945 and 2200 firmware licenses differ enough that there can't be a 2200 firmware package in non-free the way there is 3945 firmware in non-free |
| 14:46.33 | HostilePenguin | say i wan to put a few iso on the net is apache the best way? |
| 14:46.49 | azeem | stew: good question for #d-d |
| 14:47.29 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: depends if you want to serve them |
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| 14:47.38 | HostilePenguin | yes serve them |
| 14:47.50 | onur | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:47.55 | abrotman | DudeMan: wtf is nzb ? |
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| 14:48.22 | sussudio | abrotman: newsgroup warez |
| 14:48.25 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:48.43 | sussudio | it's an article index file for binary groups. |
| 14:48.46 | abrotman | dan2: i'm going to harrisburg to see Leimy |
| 14:48.56 | azeem | DudeMan: is that Debian related in some way? |
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| 14:49.06 | sussudio | abrotman: basically, it's usenet for people who are too stupid to use usenet. |
| 14:49.15 | abrotman | that's rough |
| 14:49.26 | sussudio | and it runs on windows. |
| 14:49.39 | sussudio | well, that was maybe redundant |
| 14:49.41 | hark | http://intellinuxwireless.org/index.php?n=FAQ&s=license |
| 14:50.02 | stew | azeem: actially it took about 30 seconds of looking at the 2200 license itself to see that we can't distribute it |
| 14:50.12 | azeem | ok |
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| 14:51.32 | yang | Is gimp being the most powerfull graphical tool for Linux? |
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| 14:52.06 | horrng | 有说中文的吗。 |
| 14:52.11 | azeem | yang: not for vector graphics |
| 14:52.13 | azeem | horrng: ? |
| 14:52.24 | yang | azeem: no, for image manuipulations |
| 14:52.29 | horrng | chinese ? |
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| 14:52.32 | azeem | !cn |
| 14:52.33 | dpkg | i heard cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE 渡详请读 |
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| 14:52.52 | cahoot_ | yang, depending on what you want - imagemagick might be more *powerful* |
| 14:52.58 | horrng | thanks |
| 14:53.03 | yang | azeem: I also heard of blender, maybe you thought about that one for vectoring? |
| 14:53.12 | azeem | no |
| 14:53.13 | abrotman | blender is for 3d modelling |
| 14:53.20 | abrotman | use inkscape for vector graphics |
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| 14:55.38 | Flakk | azeem: i have now the ipw2200-fw-2.4.tgz. What do i do next? should I place it in a special folder to install? or desktop is ok? which command to use? |
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| 14:57.22 | azeem | Flakk: you need to copy it over to your GNU/Linux install, e.g. via a usb-stick |
| 14:58.59 | Flakk | azeem sorry i did no get it at all. what is GNU/Linux install??? I am now on the debian mechine where i am going to install the driver |
| 14:59.07 | azeem | ok |
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| 15:00.06 | azeem | Flakk: in that case, unpack the ipw2200-fw-2.4.tgz to a temporary location, like "tar zxvf -C /tmp ipw2200-fw-2.4.tgz." |
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| 15:00.15 | azeem | eh, without the last . behind the tgz |
| 15:00.27 | Flakk | azeem ok trying |
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| 15:01.27 | HostilePenguin | why cant i su onto my name server through ssh tells me su: Authentication failure |
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| 15:01.38 | HostilePenguin | wtf |
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| 15:02.25 | g00se | What do i do to get depmod to use new modules instead of old kernel's ones? |
| 15:02.46 | abrotman | depmod -a |
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| 15:02.57 | abrotman | and they have to be in the right place |
| 15:03.17 | Flakk | azeem: I got several lines like followstar zxvf ipw2200-fw-2.4.tgz |
| 15:03.17 | Flakk | LICENSE |
| 15:03.17 | Flakk | ipw-2.4-boot.fw |
| 15:03.17 | Flakk | ipw-2.4-bss.fw |
| 15:03.17 | Flakk | ipw-2.4-bss_ucode.fw |
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| 15:03.27 | gordboy | g00se, depmod -a -b /wherever. man depmod |
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| 15:03.40 | Flakk | azeem sorry for flood |
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| 15:04.07 | g00se | gordboy: -b doesn't work |
| 15:04.30 | gordboy | g00se, more specifically |
| 15:04.34 | HostilePenguin | i have been effectivly locked out of my machine |
| 15:04.48 | Flakk | azeem the problem was that the option -C you mentioned did not work |
| 15:05.04 | g00se | At least i can't get it to. Should it be -b /lib/modules/2.6.x.y ? |
| 15:05.07 | abrotman | seems like it worked to me |
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| 15:05.33 | gordboy | g00se, "-b doesn't work" is not very informative. read the fscking manual, jack |
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| 15:05.57 | azeem | Flakk: anyway copy those (as root) to /lib/firmware |
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| 15:06.06 | Flakk | azeem ok |
| 15:06.19 | g00se | gordoy: i don't ask questions here without RTFM so please don't tell me to |
| 15:07.24 | gordboy | g00se, you DID NOT read the manual page for depmod, or you wouldn't be asking |
| 15:07.39 | Flakk | azeem this is done, strange as it seems my /lib/firmware was empty |
| 15:07.51 | azeem | that's ok |
| 15:08.02 | azeem | now restart KDE and try to connect to the WLAN again |
| 15:08.03 | gordboy | g00se, oh and by the way. i have you on ignore now, Mr Smartypants |
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| 15:08.11 | g00se | Ah well. Alzheimers must have set in in the last 5 mins ;-) |
| 15:08.13 | azeem | Flakk: if that doesn't work, maybe reboot your machine |
| 15:08.32 | Flakk | aeem: why KDE? i am at gnome |
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| 15:09.10 | azeem | Flakk: why do you use kwifimanager then? |
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| 15:09.38 | azeem | !network-manager |
| 15:09.40 | azeem | hrm |
| 15:09.42 | Flakk | azeem because i found it in the list of applications. I could not find a gnome wifi manager. |
| 15:10.08 | azeem | Flakk: try "network-manager-gnome" |
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| 15:11.10 | Flakk | however let me sum up: I have just extracted the ***.fw files. I guess nothing really was INSTALLEDD. is it ok? they are now in /lib/firmware. should this be ok for wifi connection? |
| 15:11.29 | azeem | this should make your wifi card functional |
| 15:11.40 | azeem | you need to setup wifi networking still |
| 15:11.50 | azeem | anyway, try with kwifimanager first if you like it |
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| 15:12.22 | Flakk | ok the problem is that the WIFI connection is not here at home I will try it tomorrow. |
| 15:12.33 | Flakk | what should I do to setup the networking? |
| 15:13.34 | Flakk | (by the way thanks for th tip with gnome manager, i ma uinstalling it now) |
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| 15:14.19 | azeem | Flakk: whatever you did before as well; it depends on your specific wifi network |
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| 15:16.11 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 15:16.29 | nephtes | Hi, is there a way to prevent text translations from being generated for every single locale? |
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| 15:16.51 | nephtes | I'm referring to /usr/share/locale/*/LC_MESSAGES |
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| 15:17.22 | Flakk | azeem I m sorry how d I launch the gnome network manager? i can not find it |
| 15:17.42 | patrikf | Help! I keep getting "Unexpected joliet directory length 414 expected: 418 ''" from genisoimage. |
| 15:17.55 | XtypeWriter74 | hi... i use gnome and just installed via apt-get kompare... i saw in System Monitor that CPU was 100% in use.. i used command top to see what was using up the space --> it was wm-icons... do i need wm-icons to use gnome ? |
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| 15:18.04 | cmacis | I'm considering getting an external hard drive but I want to know one or two things first. Firstly is it likely to plug and play with debian? Secondly can it be formatted so that windows and debian can read/write to it so I can use the external for all my user files (for win and deb) and partition my internal harddrive for the system folders? |
| 15:18.27 | karmatronic | Flakk: maybe launch network-manager-gnome from command line |
| 15:18.59 | Flakk | bash: network-manager-gnome: command not found |
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| 15:19.07 | karmatronic | cmacis: 1rst ,it s plug and play |
| 15:19.32 | azeem | Flakk: did you install the packages? |
| 15:19.38 | Flakk | azeem yes |
| 15:19.41 | azeem | Flakk: if so, run "nm-applet" from the command-line |
| 15:19.53 | XtypeWriter74 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.00 | azeem | it should trun up in the notification area, if you have that in the panel (otherwise add it to the panel) |
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| 15:20.10 | karmatronic | cmacis: 2nd yes |
| 15:20.47 | Flakk | Oh gosh 'Connection ":1.16" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" d ue to security policies in the configuration file' |
| 15:21.04 | cmacis | karmatronic: thanks :D |
| 15:21.55 | mrcheeks | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.13 | azeem | Flakk: did you start Gnome as root? |
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| 15:22.27 | Flakk | azeem nope |
| 15:22.29 | azeem | hrm |
| 15:22.47 | azeem | Flakk: did you something like "Starting NetworkManager" when you installed the packages? |
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| 15:22.50 | azeem | where there errors? |
| 15:22.54 | azeem | were* |
| 15:22.57 | Flakk | i installed network manager as root of course |
| 15:23.04 | azeem | sure |
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| 15:23.25 | Flakk | no i didnot notice any errors |
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| 15:23.39 | azeem | maybe really restart Gnome then, dunno |
| 15:24.02 | Flakk | ok trying |
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| 15:24.42 | tnks_ | Hi. I could have sworn there was some documentation somewhere about rules of thumb for the sequence number in the run-levels. |
| 15:25.06 | tnks_ | (like something safe assumptions of the system state after 20... stuff like that. |
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| 15:38.06 | g00se | Do i take it that changes to grub's boot menu don't require it to be reinstalled? |
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| 15:39.15 | stew | g00se: correct. grub reads the actual menu file at boot time |
| 15:39.26 | g00se | stew: Thanks |
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| 15:41.31 | valdyn | uh, azeem, he needs to be in the netdev group |
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| 15:42.26 | azeem | valdyn: right |
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| 15:43.53 | Flakk | azeem: i rebooted. the situation is as follows: the gnome metwork manager does not work, but Kwifimanager has dramatically improved. it seems to ndesrtand that he is a wifi manager and discovered one wifi connection here. so i have some hope that tomorrow i will be able to connect |
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| 15:45.02 | azeem | Flakk: I forgot to tell you that you need to add your user to the netdev group in order to use NetworkManager |
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| 15:45.14 | azeem | anyway, if kwifimanager works, fine |
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| 15:45.34 | Flakk | azeem could u tell me more about this user story? i got nothing |
| 15:45.48 | Flakk | what is netdev? |
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| 15:47.37 | Zvpun | what is the name of the program to edit .ssh/known_hosts if you use hash hostnames |
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| 15:49.02 | maelcum | Zvpun: $EDITOR to delete entries, ssh <host> to add them :) |
| 15:49.07 | azeem | Flakk: run "adduser <your username> netdev" as root to add yourself to the netdev system group (which controls who can use NetworkManager) |
| 15:49.20 | Flakk | azeem thanks trying |
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| 15:50.38 | unlink | i want to configure exim4 so that all mail it sends to itself is received by another host that considers itself the final destination for that mail |
| 15:50.42 | unlink | how do i configure this? |
| 15:51.03 | unlink | as in, what are the relevant configuration settings? |
| 15:51.20 | abrotman | !smarthost |
| 15:51.21 | dpkg | smarthost is, like, an SMTP relay. Mail-Administrator-HOWTO is at tldp.org |
| 15:51.35 | FrozenSpoon | when I do aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 I'm getting warnings about untrusted packages, what's going on there? |
| 15:51.44 | Zvpun | maelcum: no, I was looking for ssh-keygen -R |
| 15:51.58 | Zvpun | maelcum: did you even read my question? |
| 15:52.24 | Zvpun | maelcum: if they are hased, there is no point using vim .ssh/known* because the hostnames are HASED |
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| 15:53.13 | maelcum | Zvpun: oh, i see. which line to delete if you can't read the hostname. oops. |
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| 15:55.14 | apo_ | FrozenSpoon: You don't have the GPG key of one or more repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:55.19 | Flakk | azeem: that works!!! nm-applet shows indeed the possible wireles connection and tries to connect which fails since i have no login/pass, which is perfectly OK |
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| 15:55.25 | apo_ | If you run apt-get update, it will show you which. |
| 15:55.32 | azeem | Flakk: nice |
| 15:55.41 | unlink | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:56.00 | Flakk | azeem thanks!!! |
| 15:56.15 | azeem | no problem |
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| 15:58.09 | unlink | abrotman: do you know of a more up-to-date howto? |
| 15:58.18 | abrotman | unlink: the docs for your SMTP server |
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| 15:58.52 | ustunozgur | hi, I am using emacs 22 and ecb. but in ecb-mode, the cpu consumption increases to 100%. I guess it is a bug. see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=426805 does anyone know a temporary quick fix for this? |
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| 16:00.43 | abrotman | did you get emacs from unstable ? |
| 16:00.44 | Flakk | azeem: however did I get it right that in order to really connect to a wifi I will have still to configure the interface? |
| 16:01.05 | unlink | abrotman: the exim specification? not exactly a howto... |
| 16:01.08 | ustunozgur | abrotman: yes, I backported it. I am using lenny. |
| 16:01.09 | azeem | Flakk: no, NetworkManager would do that |
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| 16:01.11 | abrotman | i didn't say the spec |
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| 16:01.19 | valdyn | unlink: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and set this to be a system that forwards all mail to a smarthost |
| 16:01.21 | Flakk | azeem oh this is great |
| 16:01.28 | Flakk | will try tomorrow |
| 16:01.42 | valdyn | unlink: additionally make sure the final destination knows to keep that mail |
| 16:02.50 | unlink | valdyn: oh, thanks |
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| 16:08.34 | jabka | could anyone please check for the existence of libqt3 ? since libqt3-dev exists i guess libqt3 also should exist |
| 16:09.36 | wols_ | why should we? why can't you check yourself? |
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| 16:10.57 | MoDaX | !info libqt3-mt |
| 16:10.57 | dpkg | libqt3-mt: (Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), Version 3), section libs, is optional. Version: 3:3.3.7-4+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 3056 kB, Installed size: 8664 kB |
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| 16:10.58 | jabka | since i got not existent and i have libqt3-mt and still i get error of missing libs |
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| 16:10.58 | MoDaX | jabka: libqt3 is depreciated |
| 16:11.16 | sebas891 | hi folks |
| 16:11.17 | MoDaX | jabka: it's qt3 without thread support |
| 16:11.17 | jabka | hmm .. |
| 16:11.36 | jabka | Modax: since i can't even compile hello world .. |
| 16:11.38 | sebas891 | amarok doesn't update my last.fm profile... do you know a way to find out what the problem could be? I'm on etch on ppc. |
| 16:12.08 | MoDaX | jabka: use libqt3-mt-dev |
| 16:12.18 | jabka | also installed |
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| 16:12.52 | jabka | sorry .. Modax i have installed libqt3-mt* and libqt3-dev |
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| 16:13.40 | jabka | i also opend a thread at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=560632 |
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| 16:14.19 | wols_ | jabka: do yu have a ./configure that is running and complaining? if so, check the log |
| 16:14.26 | MoDaX | jabka: your c++ code is wrong |
| 16:14.32 | wols_ | most probably it can't find the headers |
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| 16:14.51 | morgo | HEllo |
| 16:14.52 | disposable | while installing etch, i chose one partition to be encrypted via dm-crypt/serpent. what was the point of it if nothing seems to be set up and i'll have to do it all manually? or am i missing something? (i didn't select any of tasksel's options, chose packages manually) |
| 16:15.28 | jabka | Modax: i copied it from qt tutorial (only changed the header files to the direct location) since the IDE didn't found them |
| 16:15.35 | MoDaX | jabka: learn the difference between #include <> and #include "" first |
| 16:16.23 | MoDaX | jabka: g++ .... -I/usr/include/qt3 |
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| 16:16.46 | morgo | Does linux have kernel specific configuration files for loading modules on startup? |
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| 16:16.48 | jabka | Modax: <> will search for header in the lib path and "" will search in the direct path |
| 16:16.56 | morgo | Does linux have kernel specific configuration files for loading modules on startup? |
| 16:17.07 | jabka | the compiling is ok the prob is with the build |
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| 16:17.19 | wols_ | jabka: you aren't linking your qt libs in |
| 16:17.20 | MoDaX | jabka: g++ -lqt3-mt |
| 16:17.52 | MoDaX | jabka: I know, but nobody writes c++ code that way |
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| 16:18.28 | wols_ | MoDaX: do you mean /etc/modules? |
| 16:18.30 | jabka | Modax : i wasent sure that my IDE is handeling the include path ok |
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| 16:19.12 | bkw | Why is the dir /usr/share/nagios2//htdocs/images/logos/base/ missing in the debian nagios package when there actually is a image ..nagios2/images/logos/base/debian.png in the webgui that cannot be displayed. |
| 16:19.13 | MoDaX | jabka: now it isn't handling linking properly |
| 16:19.25 | jabka | oo .. |
| 16:19.32 | MoDaX | wols_: ? |
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| 16:20.11 | MoDaX | jabka: you need to pass -lqt3-mt to g++ |
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| 16:21.41 | bkw | nagios-images - Collection of images and icons for the nagios system |
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| 16:26.58 | DimmuR | Hi all. Is it possible for apt make it select package (which has 2 sources but different versions) always from only one source? (i can't use Pin option in preferences for apt because both sourcess are unstable) |
| 16:27.22 | abrotman | so why do you have two ? |
| 16:27.39 | abrotman | they shouldn't have different versions if they're both unstable |
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| 16:28.12 | DimmuR | abrotman, because i use oryginal source (which allows me to use addons to this program) and some time ago different version came into debian reps and when i use upgrade it wants to remove those addons - i'm talking about kadu |
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| 16:28.27 | stew | DimmuR: /msg dpkg hold |
| 16:28.31 | abrotman | can't you find the updates again ? |
| 16:28.35 | abrotman | erm .. addons |
| 16:29.06 | DimmuR | abrotman, debian official reps have version 5.0.2 and nothing else. Oryginal source (kadu.net) has 5.0.1 and many addons |
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| 16:29.18 | DimmuR | stew, thx going to read |
| 16:29.46 | xand | "original" |
| 16:29.52 | stew | DimmuR: you could also file a RFP for the addons, /msg dpkg rfp |
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| 16:30.23 | DimmuR | xand, thanks for correcting me (in my language there is "y" :) ) |
| 16:30.31 | Salihu | DimmuR: You can also look into apt-get... I has parameters that allow you to check for a certain package at a particular repository. |
| 16:30.48 | Salihu | Make a script to do this for you... |
| 16:31.52 | DimmuR | Salihu, i can always make script upgrading all, and installing package from kadu.net but i was sure there is other way |
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| 16:34.11 | XtypeWriter74 | hi, does anyone know how to set MC to open a .swf file with vlc player ? |
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| 16:37.20 | DimmuR | XtypeWriter74, add: type/^([Ss][Ww][Ff]) entry to /etc/mc/mc.ext (you will see examples there) |
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| 16:37.37 | simmerz | my debian box (etch) freezes when it gets to Running local boot scripts (/etc/rc.local). any ideas? |
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| 16:37.40 | simmerz | nothing in rc.local |
| 16:38.01 | XtypeWriter74 | wow thanx ;D |
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| 16:38.32 | infidel | hello i just installed debian on my laptop but it didn't install the kernel source, what do i have to do to get the source? |
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| 16:39.05 | stew | infidel: do you plan on compiling a custom kernel? or why do you want source? |
| 16:39.37 | infidel | stew: to install the drivers. |
| 16:39.38 | Thorrn4 | hello, Im trying to get a ".bin" to create a ".deb" and its says to use fakeroot make-jpkg, but when I put the command I get an error: "/usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: make-jpkg: command not found" |
| 16:40.01 | stew | infidel: you want headers, not source, "aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" |
| 16:40.15 | infidel | stew: thanks |
| 16:40.16 | wols_ | Thorrn4: etch has java noew. no need for make-jpkg |
| 16:40.18 | stew | infidel: which drivers are you compiling? |
| 16:40.31 | infidel | stew: video |
| 16:40.38 | Thorrn4 | wols_, so, make-jpkg doesnt work anymore? |
| 16:40.46 | stew | infidel: which? |
| 16:40.54 | azeem | infidel: if you'd be a bit more verbose, maybe we could help you directly |
| 16:40.57 | infidel | stew: ati |
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| 16:41.13 | wols_ | Thorrn4: it might.if it's still in etch. but as I said: there already is java in etch so no need for it anymore |
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| 16:41.54 | Thorrn4 | oh, it was only for Java wols_ ? Ok, I have it installed now, I was just wondering |
| 16:42.06 | infidel | azeem yeah thanks stew answered my question |
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| 16:42.58 | azeem | !fglrx one-liner |
| 16:42.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 16:43.05 | azeem | infidel: ^^ |
| 16:43.38 | Thorrn4 | ty wols_ |
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| 16:43.48 | infidel | wow |
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| 16:45.25 | jabka | thnx ppl |
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| 16:46.46 | XtypeWriter74 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.56 | AtariPunk | video |
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| 16:47.25 | XtypeWriter74 | thanx ;) |
| 16:47.32 | AtariPunk | .gif has limited animation |
| 16:47.37 | AtariPunk | .swf doesn't |
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| 16:49.28 | simmerz | my debian server is dying on boot when it gets just past running local boot scripts (rc.local). any ideas what might be going wrong? |
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| 16:49.59 | xingu | "dying" |
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| 16:50.26 | xingu | nb, rc.local is "exit 0" out of the box. |
| 16:50.29 | simmerz | xingu: seemingly a kernel panic. it's a uml guest |
| 16:50.35 | simmerz | mine is still exit 0 |
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| 16:51.01 | simmerz | it appears to be getting past that, but nothing more. the only thing that happens after on a working system is that I would get a console login prompt |
| 16:51.02 | simmerz | but i don't |
| 16:51.06 | khaleel5000 | hello , i have debian etch , i am trying to take video in from my TV , (using tvtime [or you can suggest me anyother]) , but what device should I specify it ? (i am taking input from my video card (its AGP) |
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| 16:51.25 | khaleel5000 | i am taking input from tv to my video card (its agp) * |
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| 16:52.03 | xingu | simmerz: at that point init should run a getty on the various tty*; does uml have a specific device for the guest console which is not /dev/tty* ? |
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| 16:53.25 | xingu | simmerz: add ... 0:1235:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 console linux |
| 16:53.29 | xingu | simmerz: to /etc/inittab |
| 16:53.38 | xingu | simmerz: and comment out 1: through 5: |
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| 16:53.49 | xingu | err, 1: through 6: inclusive |
| 16:54.21 | xingu | (it's not a panic, it's just that there's no getting running on the uml virtual console device) |
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| 16:55.20 | infidel | !intel |
| 16:55.20 | dpkg | it has been said that intel is http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/NOTICE |
| 16:55.45 | simmerz | xingu: ok hang on |
| 16:55.52 | infidel | !x3100 |
| 16:56.39 | xingu | simmerz: nb, do this in the guest, not the host. |
| 16:56.41 | simmerz | xingu: mine is currently: http://rafb.net/p/nXbfBn92.html |
| 16:56.46 | simmerz | I don't have access to the host. |
| 16:57.00 | xingu | simmerz: so comment out 1,2,3 and add that 0: line above. |
| 16:57.08 | michael____ | hey i am kinda confused here i am tryin to get java runtime environment so i can run frostwire...does anyone know where i can get java runtime? |
| 16:57.14 | simmerz | and the T0 - T6? |
| 16:57.29 | xingu | simmerz: I'd take a good guess yes. |
| 16:57.46 | xingu | simmerz: unless you have emulated serial ports you want to provide access to |
| 16:58.02 | simmerz | no |
| 16:58.09 | simmerz | ok. let me reboot and try again |
| 16:58.10 | xingu | michael____: sun-java6-jre ? |
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| 16:58.25 | michael____ | yeah |
| 16:58.42 | xingu | michael____: add non-free to your sources.list. |
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| 16:59.24 | michael____ | xingu: non free? |
| 16:59.30 | xingu | !non-free |
| 16:59.30 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 16:59.40 | michael____ | xingu: how to do that? |
| 16:59.48 | xingu | michael____: edit /etc/apt-sources.list |
| 17:00.03 | infidel | azeem, i have an interl X3100 video card based on intel 965 chipset any ideas? |
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| 17:00.08 | xingu | s,apt-,apt/ |
| 17:00.10 | simmerz | xingu: does that tell all consoles to go to the console instead of a tty on runlevel 0? is that how it works? |
| 17:00.35 | xingu | simmerz: it runs a single getty on the emulated/virtual console device. |
| 17:00.40 | simmerz | xingu: that works. many thanks |
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| 17:00.59 | michael____ | xingu: ok am a try it |
| 17:01.06 | gcardinal | I am sorry for asking such a noob quastion, but what can I do when I am getting this message "Package php5-pear is not available" |
| 17:01.07 | xingu | simmerz: getty is the programme run by init which initialises a terminal line's physical/logical characteristics then hands off to login; see the fine manpage. |
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| 17:01.27 | gcardinal | I know php5-pear is there, why cant my apt-get see it ? |
| 17:01.29 | simmerz | xingu: ok. thanks again |
| 17:01.40 | Acu | I think GParted does not work on Etch i386 |
| 17:01.52 | xingu | gcardinal: what does apt-cache policy php5-pear say? |
| 17:02.18 | wols_ | !tell gcardinal about search |
| 17:02.18 | Acu | also the Iceweasel is quite often blocking |
| 17:02.25 | infidel | !965GM |
| 17:02.39 | wols_ | infidel: ask your question |
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| 17:02.57 | gcardinal | search and apt-cache policy returns nothing. |
| 17:02.59 | michael____ | xingu: do i just copy that command to console? |
| 17:03.25 | infidel | wols_, just google'n for the intel X3100 driver for debian |
| 17:03.25 | wols_ | gcardinal: search for php, not for php5 |
| 17:03.28 | xingu | michael____: edit /etc/apt/sources.list (it's a text file); add " non-free contrib" to the end after "main" |
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| 17:03.35 | wols_ | infidel: i915 |
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| 17:03.50 | xingu | michael____: save; then apt-get update; then try your luck again with sun-java6-jre |
| 17:03.50 | infidel | !i965GM |
| 17:04.01 | xingu | !tell infidel about selftell |
| 17:04.10 | infidel | !i965 |
| 17:04.15 | wols_ | dpkg didn't have such a factoid before and you asking for it again woN#t creatre it... |
| 17:04.17 | michael____ | oh |
| 17:04.19 | gcardinal | I can find php4-pear but I can not find php5-pear |
| 17:04.19 | michael____ | ok |
| 17:04.23 | wols_ | stop spamming the channel infidel |
| 17:04.33 | gcardinal | and I need php5-pear to get APC running |
| 17:04.48 | wols_ | gcardinal: I just told you what to do |
| 17:04.48 | infidel | wols_, i'm not spamming i'm using your stupid bot |
| 17:05.04 | gcardinal | wols_ and I did so, search returns only php4-pear |
| 17:05.05 | wols_ | you are abusing the bot. /msg dpkg <factoid> |
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| 17:05.11 | raxip | yo |
| 17:05.18 | wols_ | gcardinal: you did not |
| 17:05.21 | xingu | gcardinal: what does the description from "apt-cache show php-pear" lead you to conclude? |
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| 17:06.39 | gcardinal | so if I am getting this right, php-pear are actualy php5-pear ? |
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| 17:06.49 | xingu | seems likely |
| 17:07.01 | gcardinal | since show gives version 5.2.0-8+etch1 and it looks like a PHP5 |
| 17:07.05 | xingu | I'm not normally a betting man, but in this one case I'd bet all of wols' beer on it. |
| 17:07.08 | raxip | secret |
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| 17:07.39 | wols_ | xingu: considering I never drank any beer and never will, it's not much you risk there... |
| 17:08.13 | xingu | wols_: ssh, he doesn't know that |
| 17:08.23 | gcardinal | ok, thank you. I just cant get why when its PHP5 its renamed to PHP. and description says "php-pear - PEAR - PHP Extension and Application Repository" where is the version 5 part of it ?.. |
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| 17:08.51 | gcardinal | I am new to debain, but thx for the help :) |
| 17:08.54 | xingu | gcardinal: it'd normal for upstream-ly stable code to be known as its basic package name |
| 17:09.14 | wols_ | xingu: there is a naming inoncistency there |
| 17:09.46 | me_here | i tried to download a hd-media image and netinst iso from debian.org and got them packed to /boot, everythings well but there's no ppp module in vmlinux is that normal ? |
| 17:10.02 | xingu | wols_: I don't see a version after "findutils" or "grep" or "pppd" |
| 17:10.08 | michael____ | xingu: yeah it worked |
| 17:10.12 | michael____ | xingu: thanks |
| 17:10.15 | wols_ | xingu: all php packages do however |
| 17:10.18 | xingu | yw |
| 17:10.28 | wols_ | me_here: what hd media image? |
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| 17:10.42 | xingu | wols_: maybe they should fix the real bug and blow everything rdepends php out of the repo completely :) |
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| 17:10.51 | wols_ | me_here: and netinst isos have ppp and pppd both afaik |
| 17:10.58 | me_here | bloody initrd.gz vmlinux netinst.iso pxelinux.0 etc.. |
| 17:11.16 | furrywolf | so... my screen starts randomly flashing green pixels if I run a fsck. can I blame debian for this somehow? :) |
| 17:11.20 | wols_ | me_here: where did you donwload that image? |
| 17:11.37 | me_here | from a link of www.debian.org |
| 17:11.39 | wols_ | furrywolf: what driver? and what hardware? |
| 17:11.39 | gcardinal | Main reason for why I got confused, php5-dev has version 5 in its name, however php-pear a small'er "thing" dont.. there is no much sense in the naming policy. |
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| 17:12.11 | furrywolf | wols_: vga console, my old dell laptop, during a non-cleanly-umounted fsck on boot. |
| 17:12.15 | wols_ | me_here: again: where? |
| 17:12.19 | furrywolf | I think my old laptop has finally died... |
| 17:12.39 | me_here | wols_: it's called sln or something like that i don't remember exactly ... |
| 17:12.48 | wols_ | sln? |
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| 17:13.06 | xingu | furrywolf: sounds like bus starvation to me; overly optimistic pci or agp timings? |
| 17:13.07 | furrywolf | it booted after three tries, but I think it's developed a hardware problem. |
| 17:13.25 | me_here | it does not matter where exactly, since it's a link from debian.org.... |
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| 17:13.45 | furrywolf | xingu: this laptop has been running 24/7 for four years without a single glitch. I don't think it suddenly developed bad timing... |
| 17:13.50 | xingu | furrywolf: by "vga console" do you mean text mode, or framebuffer? |
| 17:13.53 | me_here | read the faq about hd-media installs ... |
| 17:13.59 | furrywolf | xingu: plain text mode. |
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| 17:14.15 | xingu | furrywolf: is it worth reseating the hdd and sodimms ? |
| 17:14.28 | furrywolf | it also crashed randomly... the crashes look memory-related from my expierence with random crashes. |
| 17:14.32 | omri | is there I way I can change a user's password with a command? I don't want passwd to prompt for it |
| 17:14.50 | xingu | furrywolf: also, perhaps reapply the thermal paste between cpu and fan/heatsink? |
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| 17:15.17 | furrywolf | xingu: nah, boot-time crashes are rarely thermal-related, as the cpu hasn't had time to warm up. |
| 17:15.19 | techbee | omri:you need root priviliges |
| 17:15.27 | furrywolf | I'll find a spare sodimm and install it at some point, see if it helps. |
| 17:15.29 | omri | I have root priviliges |
| 17:15.31 | xingu | furrywolf: fsck can warm it up nicely |
| 17:15.41 | infidel | wols_, how do i upgrade to the latest unstable? |
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| 17:16.03 | furrywolf | heh, I woke up to no internet, and for the first time ever, the problem was on my end, not my isp's. :) |
| 17:16.17 | techbee | omri:man passwd username |
| 17:16.20 | wols_ | infidel: if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
| 17:16.24 | furrywolf | this laptop hasn't been turned off, except for grater-than-6-hour power outages, in 4 years. |
| 17:16.34 | omri | techbee, I don't want it to prompt, I want something like passwd <user> <newpass> |
| 17:16.39 | infidel | wols_, and then? |
| 17:16.52 | wols_ | infidel: then you agree with me and stay with etch |
| 17:16.59 | techbee | omri:man passwd |
| 17:17.03 | infidel | wols_, lol |
| 17:17.06 | omri | techbee, doesn't help me |
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| 17:17.18 | wols_ | omri: then you need better glasses |
| 17:17.42 | omri | wols_, passwd prompts for the new password; how can I specify the new password as a command line argument?... |
| 17:18.06 | wols_ | expect or similar tricker should work |
| 17:18.27 | omri | what's "expect" ? |
| 17:18.50 | Madkiss | hi all. i have a problem with a samba-server. i want it to join a domain, i did "net rpc join -u root" and entered the password, and it's telling me that it's logged in. |
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| 17:19.05 | Madkiss | however, it does not show up in windows, and it does not show up in the "smbclient -L \\pdc" |
| 17:19.13 | wols_ | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=bin%2Fexpect&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
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| 17:19.25 | omri | wols_, thanks |
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| 17:20.07 | TrueDD | Salut tous |
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| 17:20.15 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 17:20.26 | wols_ | !fr |
| 17:20.26 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:23.08 | kriebel | why would my md device be stopped during boot instead of started? |
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| 17:23.26 | maximi89 | hola |
| 17:23.31 | maximi89 | hi |
| 17:23.31 | kriebel | mdrun starts it, but it won't start during boot |
| 17:23.41 | maximi89 | how i can route manually to a gateway |
| 17:23.58 | kriebel | route add -net default gw 1.2.3.4 |
| 17:24.15 | wols_ | maximi89: you edit your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:24.19 | wols_ | maximi89: man router |
| 17:24.20 | wols_ | maximi89: man router |
| 17:24.21 | wols_ | maximi89: man route |
| 17:24.24 | wols_ | *grr* |
| 17:24.30 | maximi89 | i have the gateway at 192.168.0.25 but when i put route add default gw 192.168.0.25 dev eth0 |
| 17:24.41 | maximi89 | but nothing |
| 17:24.49 | maximi89 | i made something bad? |
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| 17:25.05 | kriebel | route won't output anything on success |
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| 17:25.09 | wols_ | yes. you did: your problem description sucks. very badly |
| 17:25.29 | gcardinal | how can I update locate database ? |
| 17:25.35 | maximi89 | thanks |
| 17:25.47 | kriebel | gcardinal: updatedb as root |
| 17:26.07 | gcardinal | ok, strange as in slackware it was locate -u |
| 17:26.14 | gcardinal | thx |
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| 17:26.31 | kriebel | maximi89: run route with no arguments to see what routs you already have |
| 17:26.40 | kriebel | yeah, well... slackware sucks |
| 17:26.43 | wols_ | gcardinal: updatedb. you might also use anacron |
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| 17:28.06 | xingu | mandb: can't resolve /usr/share/man/man2/epoll_pwait.2.gz: Too many levels of symbolic links |
| 17:28.08 | xingu | luverly |
| 17:28.32 | wols_ | clearly, epoll is forbidden knowledge for you |
| 17:28.37 | wols_ | respect the wishes of the gods! |
| 17:28.46 | xingu | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2007-06-09 00:07 /usr/share/man/man2/epoll_pwait.2.gz -> epoll_pwait.2.gz |
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| 17:29.04 | wols_ | clever scheme. ingenious but simple |
| 17:29.15 | xingu | a circular argument |
| 17:29.37 | wols_ | etch,lenny, sid? |
| 17:29.42 | xingu | sid |
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| 17:30.34 | kriebel | sounds like a maintainer goof. delete the link and hope the package gets upgraded soon |
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| 17:31.16 | prahal | rahul, the symbols issue was a gdb bug. Downgrading to 6.4 fixed it. In fact gdb stop all the thread thus all symbols get resolved. My main issue now is that gdb tell me breakpoint resolved when encountering my break point but do not stop the thread. I have to do stop them by hand with ctrl-z but it only stop them when I do thus it is useless as it is at random point :-( |
| 17:31.19 | xingu | I'm not totally bothered by it, it just generates postmaster spam. |
| 17:31.37 | kriebel | right, so make it stop complaining |
| 17:31.37 | xingu | will investigate and bts if necessary - manpages-dev |
| 17:31.48 | kriebel | wtf does epoll do, anyway? |
| 17:32.05 | xingu | everything that poll can't |
| 17:32.05 | prahal | Does anyone know a channel for gdb help ? (sadly there is no official channel) |
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| 17:32.15 | xingu | I'd quote from the manpage... but... |
| 17:32.22 | kriebel | make frenchfries? |
| 17:32.26 | kriebel | hehe, yeah, I can read the page |
| 17:32.27 | xingu | poll goes apeshit for large fd sets |
| 17:32.34 | xingu | epoll doesn't |
| 17:32.49 | kriebel | anyone wizardly with mdadm? |
| 17:32.51 | kriebel | seriously? |
| 17:32.58 | wols_ | prahal: gcc perhaps? |
| 17:33.09 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 17:33.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 17:33.28 | kriebel | I did ask a specific question |
| 17:33.37 | wols_ | no you did not |
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| 17:33.41 | wols_ | 19:33 < kriebel> anyone wizardly with mdadm? |
| 17:33.47 | kriebel | well, a more specific question |
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| 17:34.03 | kriebel | <kriebel> why would my md device be stopped during boot instead of started? |
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| 17:34.30 | gcardinal | wols_ Now I do understand why you have all the ! :P I am sorry for asking that kind of quastions another day :) |
| 17:34.36 | SoulChild | i have a few warnings in my logs, hope someone can help me,... |
| 17:34.47 | jindal | Hi, please explain why "time; uname;" gives an error |
| 17:36.07 | kriebel | jindal, time needs arguments |
| 17:36.07 | kriebel | perhaps you want date |
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| 17:36.19 | kriebel | SoulChild, what logs? |
| 17:36.39 | xingu | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425570 |
| 17:36.47 | xingu | I feel so out of touch... |
| 17:36.49 | jindal | kriebel, time alone doen't give error |
| 17:36.54 | kriebel | no |
| 17:37.00 | kriebel | because you're timing nothing |
| 17:37.08 | jindal | yep |
| 17:37.08 | kriebel | I think it must be a shell builtin then |
| 17:37.26 | SoulChild | NTFS-fs warning (device hda1): load_system_files(): Unsupported volume flags 0x4000 encountered... how do i fix this.. in fstab is the following: /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 ntfs defaults,noauto,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=1000,users 0 1 |
| 17:37.30 | kriebel | but I can't think of a reason you'd want to time nothing in a script |
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| 17:38.11 | Skaag | what's an easy to use tape backup utility? |
| 17:38.18 | SoulChild | So which flag is wron for NTFS: /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 ntfs defaults,noauto,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=1000,users 0 1 |
| 17:38.33 | kriebel | not sure |
| 17:38.36 | kriebel | take them out one by one |
| 17:38.38 | kriebel | and see |
| 17:38.47 | kriebel | report back when done, I'm sure someone else would like to know |
| 17:38.54 | SoulChild | hmmm,... okay.... |
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| 17:39.17 | kriebel | Skaag: lol. easy and tape. |
| 17:39.19 | kriebel | tar? |
| 17:39.36 | Basic1 | Anyone else notice that all the debian.pool.ntp.org time servers are unreachable? |
| 17:39.37 | Skaag | can I just backup to the device? |
| 17:39.43 | kriebel | SoulChild, sorry to be silly. but there are only like 6 of them |
| 17:39.47 | omri | wols_, Isn't there something simpler other than learning a whole script language? |
| 17:39.50 | Skaag | kriebel: like: tar cvzf directory /dev/st0? |
| 17:40.04 | kriebel | skaag: yes, mostly |
| 17:40.06 | xingu | SoulChild: it's quite likely that the filesystem is dirty and needs a chkdsk /f /v /x from windows. |
| 17:40.24 | kriebel | but it means you have to keep track of everything yourself. read up on mt |
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| 17:41.15 | Skaag | okay :) |
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| 17:41.38 | xingu | SoulChild: second guess - is the volume encrypted? |
| 17:41.40 | kriebel | Skaag, there are a bunch of backup tools, but which one is right for you I can't say |
| 17:41.50 | Skaag | I just need something very simple |
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| 17:42.20 | SoulChild | xingu: no it isn't |
| 17:42.29 | kriebel | skaag: xen:/var/log# apt-cache search backup | grep -i simple |
| 17:42.30 | kriebel | sbackup - Simple Backup Suite for desktop use |
| 17:42.35 | xingu | SoulChild: then chkdsk it and see if the errors go away |
| 17:42.45 | Skaag | desktop, meaning X |
| 17:42.48 | Skaag | i'm checking it ou |
| 17:42.50 | Skaag | out |
| 17:42.55 | SoulChild | xingu: since everything works fine it's just a flag that's giving this warning,.,.. |
| 17:43.07 | SoulChild | xingu: i did,... |
| 17:43.08 | kriebel | I think it's just one of those many silly options isn't supported by the NTFS module |
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| 17:43.27 | SoulChild | xingu: nothing,... still the same warning while boot,... it s just my windows partition ,... |
| 17:43.31 | xingu | I don't |
| 17:43.41 | SoulChild | kriebel: that's what i think too |
| 17:43.48 | xingu | I think there's a volume flag on the volume, like encryption, that the ntfs driver can't support |
| 17:43.52 | xingu | so it warns you |
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| 17:43.57 | xingu | and then, tells you to run chkdsk |
| 17:44.06 | xingu | but hey, it's your system |
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| 17:44.47 | SoulChild | i think it's this one,.. i ll restart and see "nls=utf8" |
| 17:46.17 | SoulChild | What about this: "Asus Laptop ACPI Extras version 0.30...unsupported model A3E, trying default values" |
| 17:46.31 | SoulChild | Could this be the reason why suspend 2 ram doesn't work |
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| 17:46.50 | kriebel | it means you installed something that's supposed to tweak hardware but it doesn't work |
| 17:46.51 | xingu | I think, that if you have volume flags that the ntfs driver can't support, that it wants you to mount the volume ro, and if you don't, it'll whine to kingdom come |
| 17:47.01 | xingu | rw mount opt is implicit. |
| 17:47.17 | Alarm | hello i use debian etch with kde. my problem is following: when i check on a mp3 the meta info i just get some symbols on the artists and title field. the text is written in greek. i have allready iso and utf8 for greek in my locales, but it could be something with cp windows standard. what could i check ? |
| 17:47.18 | xingu | but the driver source is probably lying, so you carry on there. :) |
| 17:47.23 | kriebel | yeah, I've never tried to rw mount ntfs |
| 17:47.33 | kriebel | generally unwise and unnecissary |
| 17:47.53 | gcardinal | I am trying to install APC. pecl install apc and it gives me following error: "ERROR: `phpize' failed" |
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| 17:48.14 | kriebel | wow |
| 17:48.24 | kriebel | so no help for the mdadm weary today |
| 17:48.40 | gcardinal | Where can I start looking for why its failed ? |
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| 17:49.11 | techbee | gcardinal:pecl? |
| 17:49.21 | sebas891 | anyone, knowns a good solution to keep files syncronized across 2 machines? |
| 17:49.34 | techbee | sebas891:!anyone |
| 17:49.46 | techbee | !anyone |
| 17:49.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:50.04 | aadil | sebas891, rsync? |
| 17:50.15 | aadil | nsync even? |
| 17:50.16 | aadil | :> |
| 17:50.22 | sebas891 | techbee: thank you. |
| 17:50.24 | gcardinal | techbee this is the first time I am using it. and pecl info apc gives "no info" |
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| 17:51.33 | SoulChild | How can i remove this warning when XServer starts: The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" does not exist. |
| 17:51.33 | sebas891 | aadil: I though of using rsync but I would like a "service" running instead. |
| 17:51.37 | SoulChild | it's just a warning in corg.log |
| 17:51.44 | SoulChild | *xorg.log |
| 17:51.52 | sebas891 | aadil: nsync I will look at it. |
| 17:52.00 | aadil | sebas891, a service.. like rsync? |
| 17:52.11 | techbee | gcardinal:pecl?? |
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| 17:52.27 | Gathond | SoulChild: remove te reference from the config file, or make that directory exist (some paths might be hardcoded though= |
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| 17:52.51 | SoulChild | Gathond: xorg.conf ? |
| 17:53.08 | gcardinal | techbee sorry ? |
| 17:53.10 | Gathond | yes |
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| 17:53.48 | sebas891 | aadil: something not like rsync. looking for something like unison http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
| 17:54.07 | aadil | oki, i dunno about unison |
| 17:54.12 | paddor | is there any effect if I enable "nobarriers" on a xfs-fs which is located on a logical volume (lvm2)? |
| 17:54.21 | ustunozgur | hi, sometimes my computer stops responding, and when I open up a tty and issue htop , I see a 100% cpu usage; however the list doesn't show which process is consuming that. are there processes which top or htop doesn't display? |
| 17:54.39 | cmacis | hey all, I'm trying to set up my graphics card (unichrome). I have the instructions for doing it in MEPIS (yes, I played with mepis). Since mepis is derrived from debian (via ubuntu) would these instructions still work? Link attached. http://www.mepis.org/node/13522 |
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| 17:55.19 | SoulChild | Gathond: thanks,... worked ;) |
| 17:55.21 | techbee | gcardinal: r u talking about repository for PHP Extensions (pecl) |
| 17:55.21 | xingu | ustunozgur: be more useful if you could tell us what the third line said (%us, %sy, etc etc) |
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| 17:56.25 | xingu | ustunozgur: if the system is busy in system or irq context, you only have a single core or smt package, and your storage is a bit banging interface, you lose |
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| 17:57.48 | ustunozgur | xingu: I will note that the next time it stops responding. yes, it's single core cpu. most of the time, I can't even get to a tty; I have to have a hard reboot.. |
| 17:58.05 | xingu | ustunozgur: does it ever recover? |
| 17:58.10 | omri | I'm having trouble using expect with passwd, how can I make a simple script to change the password automaticly? |
| 17:58.15 | ustunozgur | I recovered this time, yes. |
| 17:58.37 | ustunozgur | I went to htop and tried to kill whatever there was. |
| 17:58.44 | xingu | ustunozgur: my guess in the absence of data is you're running out of memory and getting buried in paging/ io. |
| 17:59.05 | ustunozgur | xingu: right, the memory and swap were 100% |
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| 17:59.12 | xingu | ustunozgur: that'd do it. |
| 17:59.12 | kriebel | haha |
| 17:59.17 | kriebel | you need more swap then |
| 17:59.21 | kriebel | or something is running away |
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| 17:59.36 | kriebel | make sure all the swap you think you are using is actually enabled |
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| 17:59.53 | SoulChild | my card works, but what does this mean? :(WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found |
| 17:59.53 | SoulChild | (--) Chipset 915GM found |
| 18:00.03 | xingu | ustunozgur: top, [O] sort-by [Q] res |
| 18:00.22 | kriebel | SoulChild, sounds like X sees a video card (onboard?) that you're not using |
| 18:00.37 | ustunozgur | kriebel: I don't have much memory, only 640 mb, but I didn't encounter that previously. |
| 18:00.42 | piper69 | anyone here worked with Kismet before |
| 18:00.44 | piper69 | ? |
| 18:00.49 | xingu | 640mb ought to be enough for anybody |
| 18:00.52 | kriebel | 640MB is enough memory |
| 18:00.55 | kriebel | yeah, haha |
| 18:00.57 | ustunozgur | xingu: In fact, I used htop to sort them, but when I add things, there is nothing consuming that much. |
| 18:01.00 | SoulChild | kriebel i have the 915GM and i need the i810 driver,,... which is insalled |
| 18:01.24 | techbee | omri:check out http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 18:01.25 | kriebel | SoulChild, well I don't know then, I was just speculating |
| 18:01.26 | ustunozgur | so, my guess is that even if I had more memory, that thing would fill it too. |
| 18:01.39 | xingu | ustunozgur: yes, that's probable |
| 18:01.56 | xingu | ustunozgur: it could be a driver memory leak, or it could be a runaway shared memory allocation. |
| 18:02.45 | xingu | ustunozgur: for specifics - you'd need to trend /proc/slabinfo and reverse engineer it - if - it's the former |
| 18:02.50 | omri | techbee, checking, thanks |
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| 18:03.12 | xingu | ustunozgur: if it's the latter in theory it should get booked to some obvious memory hog process - or - you've been rootkit'd |
| 18:03.38 | xingu | ustunozgur: from here you'd need to know what mix of processes were running in the normal and starvation cases |
| 18:04.00 | xingu | ustunozgur: look for new entrants and rising trends vs baseline. |
| 18:04.53 | xingu | ustunozgur: ipcs will dump you a snapshot on shm allocations |
| 18:05.30 | ustunozgur | I suspect it might be kde processes, sometimes kbuildsyscoa runs wild. |
| 18:05.40 | omri | techbee, tldp.org is down, I haven't found this dir on another mirror; how is that related to my question? |
| 18:06.14 | xingu | ustunozgur: ... *nod* so there you go, that's the tools to work with; the rest is down to trending and careful analytics. |
| 18:06.15 | ustunozgur | xingu: thanks :) if it were a windows machine, I would think I have got a virus. |
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| 18:06.38 | techbee | omri:that tutorials contains examples bash scripts , so you can find one you are looking for |
| 18:07.01 | omri | techbee, I know bash scripting. you can't interact with passwd with a bash script. |
| 18:07.05 | piper69 | how do i know which driver my pcmcia wireless card is using |
| 18:07.05 | omri | passwd is a problematic one. |
| 18:07.26 | xingu | ustunozgur: pmap -x $pid is also useful to go from process to shmid if it's a shm leak. |
| 18:07.32 | azeem | piper69: lsmod | grep cs_ |
| 18:07.38 | azeem | eh, _cs, I think |
| 18:08.23 | SoulChild | Is this something bad? : "(WW) I810(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum" |
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| 18:08.59 | sebas891 | aadil: unison does exactly what I want. |
| 18:09.16 | aadil | good for u |
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| 18:09.26 | infidel | how come i can't apt-get the kernel source |
| 18:09.44 | na | does debian/linux have a directory service /server type concept package? |
| 18:09.54 | tarzeau | infidel: linux source? |
| 18:09.57 | ustunozgur | xingu: ok, thanks. |
| 18:10.02 | omri | how can I change a user's password using a command? passwd won't accept the new password as a command line argument (I have root access) |
| 18:10.14 | infidel | tarzeau, 2.6.18 |
| 18:10.49 | ustunozgur | omri: just type passwd |
| 18:10.51 | azeem | infidel: what did you try? |
| 18:11.08 | omri | ustunozgur, I want to change the password with a script with no user interaction |
| 18:11.13 | infidel | azeem, apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.18 |
| 18:11.19 | azeem | infidel: it's linux-source now |
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| 18:11.32 | infidel | azeem, d'oh! |
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| 18:12.17 | piper69 | azeem: it shows 7 drivers . how to know which one please |
| 18:12.28 | techbee | omri:yes u can using spawn , expect ,send |
| 18:12.59 | capiira | hmm anyone here have been using unstable for the last years without major problems? |
| 18:13.07 | omri | techbee, I've tried it, doesn't really work; this is my expect script: http://rafb.net/p/6a9Vcj74.html |
| 18:13.27 | azeem | piper69: paste the output to a pastebin |
| 18:13.50 | capiira | i would like to use debian but i find testing too outdated |
| 18:13.54 | infidel | azeem, how long has it been? |
| 18:14.02 | capiira | as desktop |
| 18:14.05 | deadcat | my 22" lcd has dvi and vga. how do i make use of the dvi instead of the vga? |
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| 18:14.43 | gcardinal | If package listed as "testing" on packages.debian.org can I still install it using apt-get ? |
| 18:15.09 | deadcat | gcardinal: yes. apt-get -t testing |
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| 18:15.15 | SoulChild | What is this about: "ACPI Warning (tbfadt-0360): Ignoring BIOS FADT r2 C-state control [20070126]" |
| 18:15.22 | maek | does anyone know if you can specifiy an http-user/passwd for a given site in the .wgetrc? |
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| 18:15.51 | piper69 | !pastebin |
| 18:15.51 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 18:16.29 | omri | techbee, any idea? |
| 18:16.44 | SoulChild | does "cat" also works for root's files as normal user,... |
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| 18:16.52 | SoulChild | okay i simply may try :D |
| 18:17.05 | gcardinal | deadcat but even if its testing it sould show under apt-cache search ? |
| 18:17.33 | SoulChild | What IRC-programm are You using? |
| 18:17.37 | deadcat | gcardinal: if you have a testing source in sources.list |
| 18:17.53 | piper69 | azeem: http://pastebin.ca/556648 |
| 18:18.55 | piper69 | also my laptop mouse is acting very slow, i changed the values to max value and still very slow can someone help me please |
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| 18:19.13 | gcardinal | deadcat ok thx |
| 18:19.35 | techbee | omri: it seems ok , expect eof is missing at the end |
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| 18:20.30 | SoulChild | Guys i want to know what IRC-programm you are using, please ? |
| 18:20.41 | capiira | xchat |
| 18:20.53 | SoulChild | capiira: ahh thanks ,... |
| 18:20.57 | capiira | use konversation if your using kde |
| 18:21.00 | piper69 | SoulChild: irssi |
| 18:21.08 | omri | techbee, I'll try that |
| 18:21.18 | SoulChild | pipeline: irssi is it gtk ? |
| 18:21.20 | omri | techbee, doesn't work. |
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| 18:21.56 | techbee | omri:also add sleep after first send in the script |
| 18:21.56 | piper69 | irssi is text based |
| 18:22.04 | capiira | btw can i update from stable directly to unstable ? |
| 18:22.08 | omri | techbee, will try that too |
| 18:22.17 | capiira | or should i go testing first |
| 18:22.19 | tls_81 | Soulchild why'that? |
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| 18:22.49 | SoulChild | tls_81: why what ? |
| 18:22.59 | omri | techbee, isn't the "expect" enough? |
| 18:23.02 | tls_81 | why u wanna know what IRC client we use? |
| 18:23.02 | piper69 | capiira: that will be downgrade |
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| 18:23.21 | techbee | omri:?? |
| 18:23.25 | capiira | stable to unstable is a downgrade? |
| 18:23.28 | SoulChild | tls_81: i want to test something else than this Opera integrated IRC thing |
| 18:23.34 | capiira | nah |
| 18:23.37 | omri | techbee, it's expecting for a prompt before it "send"s |
| 18:23.40 | infidel | tls_81, so he can be kewl like you |
| 18:23.43 | omri | why do I need sleep as well? |
| 18:23.46 | tls_81 | soulchild: do u use CLI or GUI? |
| 18:23.50 | wols_ | capiira: you can go to unstable directly |
| 18:23.54 | capiira | ahh ok |
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| 18:24.09 | SoulChild | tls_81: GUI ,... what does CLI stand for ? |
| 18:24.14 | tls_81 | infidel: am so much cooler than u cause i use ***** |
| 18:24.22 | tls_81 | comand line interface |
| 18:24.27 | tls_81 | oops command |
| 18:24.32 | infidel | tls_81, kew kew kewl |
| 18:24.55 | tls_81 | if u use a graphic user interface than Xchat is pretty cool... |
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| 18:25.08 | madris | hi , im getting sda3 drive critical errors saying its 100% full. it seems to be linked to the /tmp directory. /tmp has loads of files but i dont know what they are, is it safe to assume they can be deleted? |
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| 18:25.27 | tls_81 | soulchild: but if u use a CLI then Irssi or ircii are good bets... |
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| 18:25.41 | SoulChild | tls_81: thanks for info |
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| 18:26.10 | tls_81 | souldchild: ;-) |
| 18:26.10 | techbee | omri:yes, u r right |
| 18:26.21 | omri | techbee, then how come sleep solves it? :P |
| 18:26.36 | Flakk | Hi people, does anybody know a program to convert .hmtl files to .pdf or .ps? i am using debian etch |
| 18:27.04 | SoulChild | Flakk: !anyone |
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| 18:27.10 | omri | ok, I gtg, I'll dig into it later, thanks |
| 18:27.42 | SoulChild | Flakk search synaptics or apt-cache |
| 18:28.01 | SoulChild | Flakk: for Html2Pdf |
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| 18:29.18 | mike1o | !wireless |
| 18:29.18 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or Linksys WPC11: http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:29.36 | deadcat | i am having trouble with my dvi on my lcd. anyone know why its showing blank? |
| 18:29.50 | ustunozgur | omri: does usermod do it? |
| 18:30.15 | me_here | how much chroot space would you advise for a lenny or sid install ? |
| 18:30.39 | me_here | 50 Gigs is enough ? |
| 18:30.46 | tls_81 | me_here : what is chroot space |
| 18:30.55 | Flakk | soulchild: html2pdf is a commercial service and apt-cache does not have it |
| 18:30.55 | me_here | i mean another partition |
| 18:31.21 | tls_81 | me_here: what partition the root one? |
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| 18:31.26 | me_here | nope |
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| 18:31.27 | me_here | another |
| 18:31.42 | tls_81 | me_here: aswell as your root partitiion? |
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| 18:31.57 | me_here | err, yes i will use it as root |
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| 18:32.00 | me_here | i mean as / |
| 18:32.20 | me_here | hrmm |
| 18:32.31 | me_here | 50 Gigs should suffice i hope |
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| 18:32.48 | tls_81 | me_here: is ur question because u are dual booting? and you want to know how much ur debian install should get? |
| 18:33.02 | wols_ | 50GB is overkill |
| 18:33.03 | me_here | yes, i will dual boot |
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| 18:33.09 | wols_ | shouldn't need more than, say, 10GB |
| 18:33.17 | deadcat | was there any messages for me the last 2 min? i got d/c'ed |
| 18:33.21 | me_here | i don't want to mix all and handle deps with pinning |
| 18:34.05 | me_here | it breaks sooner or later... |
| 18:34.41 | me_here | especially then when nothing gets written to disk but it shows it as written.... |
| 18:34.53 | me_here | that's intriguing |
| 18:34.59 | Flakk | soulchild: do you mean that there is no free program to convert .html to .pdf? |
| 18:35.07 | infidel | azeem, can you please tell me how to upgrade to unstable |
| 18:35.28 | azeem | infidel: don't ask individuals, ask the channel |
| 18:35.35 | tls_81 | me_here i for instance have my / on 1 partition and my home on another 10gb is more than enough for / but if u have a lot of music/vids/photo, then 50 gb is good for a decent sized home partition... It all depends on how big ur disk is in the first place.... |
| 18:35.46 | azeem | infidel: besides, if you have to ask how to upgrade to unstable, you shouldn't |
| 18:36.47 | tls_81 | me_here: now u got me confused... |
| 18:36.48 | azeem | piper69: you've got both hostap and orinoco drivers loaded, hrm |
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| 18:37.01 | Flakk | soulchild: oooh ok, i got it |
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| 18:37.16 | azeem | piper69: see dmesg, it should tell which driver is using wlan0 or whatelse |
| 18:37.28 | infidel | channel how do i updrade to unstable |
| 18:37.44 | azeem | !iyhtays |
| 18:37.44 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 18:37.54 | azeem | infidel: why do you want to upgrade? |
| 18:37.55 | me_here | why you confused, there are broken packages with sid for example, sometimes they don't get the fd's or so |
| 18:38.27 | infidel | azeem, want to try it out and see what's broken with it |
| 18:38.39 | azeem | infidel: well, see above |
| 18:38.42 | wols_ | !confuse me_here |
| 18:38.42 | dpkg | Yes, where are my hamster today, me_here? trousers of the monarchy of mongolia with extra anchovies |
| 18:38.44 | azeem | infidel: unstable is not supported here |
| 18:38.57 | me_here | !confuse wols_ |
| 18:38.57 | dpkg | No, how are their bacon yesterday, wols_? shirts of the monarchy of micronesia with extra crabpaste |
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| 18:39.07 | me_here | lol |
| 18:39.10 | me_here | wow |
| 18:39.27 | infidel | azeem, so who does the beta testing for the debian community? |
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| 18:39.43 | wols_ | volunteers |
| 18:39.52 | infidel | me <<<<<< |
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| 18:40.08 | capiira | "apt-get dist-upgrade" after modifying your sources.list to unstable |
| 18:40.21 | infidel | capiira, thanks |
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| 18:41.00 | capiira | du a apt-get update before dist-upgrade too |
| 18:41.02 | capiira | o |
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| 18:41.50 | azeem | infidel: keep in mind that you'll likely get no help here when your system breaks |
| 18:41.53 | infidel | capiira, ok thanks |
| 18:41.58 | jhutchins_lt | What is the root passwor on the live CD (or is that the wrong question)? Need to access my hard drive. |
| 18:42.11 | infidel | azeem, i'm well aware |
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| 18:43.08 | capiira | just dont tell your using unstable, then (maybe) you get help :D |
| 18:43.29 | ustunozgur | there was a distribution based on debian unstable, would that be better to try unstable? |
| 18:43.48 | Wyzard | jhutchins_lt: If you mean the install CD, the console on Alt-F2 is a root shell already |
| 18:44.04 | infidel | capiira, ;P |
| 18:44.12 | jhutchins_lt | Wyzard: Nope, live CD. |
| 18:44.26 | Wyzard | jhutchins_lt: Debian has no liveCD |
| 18:44.35 | Wyzard | jhutchins_lt: If you're talking about the Ubuntu liveCD, then a) that's offtopic here, see #ubuntu, and b) there is none; use sudo |
| 18:44.54 | wols_ | Wyzard: well...,. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:45.07 | Wyzard | ah, didn't know about that |
| 18:45.17 | itchi | Hello, is it me, or is there a part missing of /msg dpkg hold ? |
| 18:45.31 | wols_ | ustunozgur: knoppix is based on debian unstable. so is ubuntu |
| 18:45.56 | itchi | Let me show ... |
| 18:46.00 | itchi | !hold |
| 18:46.00 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 18:46.00 | ustunozgur | no, wols_ , I was talking about stg like kanotix or like, but I forgot the name. |
| 18:46.03 | azeem | vital parts of Ubuntu really aren't based on unstable anymore |
| 18:46.04 | Wyzard | ustunozgur: Sidux perhaps, though I've never used it |
| 18:46.07 | tls_81 | i thought ubuntu was a snapshot of testing? |
| 18:46.13 | ustunozgur | Wyzard: yes, sidux |
| 18:46.14 | azeem | tls_81: no |
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| 18:46.36 | itchi | ... If someone know the missing part and could fix it ... In advances, thanks! |
| 18:46.43 | Wyzard | ustunozgur: I have no idea how good it is... I just use sid |
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| 18:47.07 | wols_ | ustunozgur: anyways, your question is kinda OT imho |
| 18:47.10 | tls_81 | azeem: :-O |
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| 18:47.17 | capiira | i think unstable is good as ubuntu or knopix but the problem that its not to well quality checked as ubuntu and thing change becomes uploaded and that maybe break it |
| 18:47.27 | wols_ | after all, why use a knocoff if you can have the original? |
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| 18:47.47 | tls_81 | who prefers beer over wine? |
| 18:47.52 | Wyzard | capiira: naturally; unstable is meant as a testing ground to find problems |
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| 18:48.30 | tls_81 | beer for me anyday |
| 18:48.32 | capiira | yeah and ground for creating problems :D |
| 18:49.00 | ustunozgur | wols_: why? I suggested him to learn about sidux if he wants to try unstable. (I havent used it either, but they claim to be 100% debian and with less problems than a normal sid |
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| 18:49.22 | Wyzard | capiira: Actually, it's pretty usable on the whole... stuff breaks occasionally, but rarely in a major way |
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| 18:49.29 | wols_ | there is only one debian in this world. and it's not named sidus... |
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| 18:49.44 | capiira | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html#14 |
| 18:49.48 | Wyzard | capiira: It's not good for beginners but if you know how to maintain a system it's generally fine as a desktop |
| 18:50.19 | capiira | problem is how good must the knowledge be? |
| 18:50.32 | itchi | ustunozgur: These have a nice German support level, if i could understand ... :-p |
| 18:51.04 | capiira | that site says: If you think you can handle a broken Debian system, sure. Do you know what to do if libpam0g breaks, preventing all logins? Do you know what to do if grep breaks, causing the boot process to hang forever? These things have happened. They will happen again. |
| 18:51.18 | capiira | but those are hardcore problems hehe |
| 18:51.22 | capiira | i would reinstall |
| 18:51.31 | itchi | Bah, install sid on a test box, not use it on your main box, nor cry when the toy broken... If that's ok to you, tryout sid and help us |
| 18:51.33 | Wyzard | capiira: They are, but that sort of thing is rare |
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| 18:52.03 | ustunozgur | itchi: and you have to know the cyril alphabet to spell out the release names :) |
| 18:52.24 | Wyzard | capiira: FWIW, I've been running sid as my main desktop OS for about six years, upgrading daily, and I've found that it's a great way to learn a lot about how the system works |
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| 18:52.37 | dvs | and breaks |
| 18:52.53 | ustunozgur | How often does a sid break on average? |
| 18:53.02 | Wyzard | capiira: since things change over time, sometimes in a breaking way, and that results in me learning about the change |
| 18:53.21 | Wyzard | Major stuff like being completely unable to log in is rare |
| 18:53.22 | itchi | ustunozgur: Define break, everythings can break such as everythings could be fixed :-p |
| 18:53.34 | Wyzard | Individual applications not working is a bit more common |
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| 18:53.41 | itchi | Bah, almost*, it's kinda important |
| 18:53.53 | Wyzard | Currently "insmod" is broken, for example (though modprobe works fine, so it doesn't really affect much) |
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| 18:54.20 | Wyzard | but everything on my GNOME desktop is fine and has been fine for months |
| 18:54.28 | ustunozgur | itchi: break: 1. system cannot boot. 2. X doesn't start. 3. Some program doesn't start. So, the answers for that senses? |
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| 18:54.53 | itchi | Wyzard: Sure, Debian works right, just expect some little breakages when using Sid, that's is. |
| 18:55.09 | Wyzard | yep, pretty much |
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| 18:55.26 | itchi | ustunozgur: As long as the hardware is not damaged, i'm still ok. Data is on another comp |
| 18:55.57 | itchi | But that depend if you like to 'play' and btw 'help' to improve the stuff too |
| 18:56.16 | capiira | i prefer to use my system |
| 18:56.22 | stew | ustunozgur: broken packages are added to sid twice daily. |
| 18:56.30 | capiira | be creative paint with my wacom :D etc. |
| 18:56.33 | ustunozgur | so, let's say that Y is broken. Does one usually try to fix it oneself, or just wait for an upgrade on that package? |
| 18:56.47 | Wyzard | depends on the nature of the breakage |
| 18:56.57 | Wyzard | Usually wait for an updated package, which should be in a day or two if it's severe |
| 18:57.14 | dvs | ustunozgur: sometimes you can't get the upgrade for the packages because dpkg is broken |
| 18:57.17 | Wyzard | but sometimes it's not really that the package is broken, but that it's changed and the system's configuration needs to be adjusted accordingly |
| 18:57.30 | Wyzard | dvs: I don't think I've ever seen dpkg break, in six years |
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| 18:57.44 | n3kl | Anyone know whats wrong with some of my email comming in with all these =0D=0A and =3D all over it. It looks like some kind of formatting or something, but I don't know what it is. |
| 18:57.57 | ustunozgur | Wyzard: so you run some dpkg reconfigures in that situation and they are solved? |
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| 18:58.31 | Wyzard | ustunozgur: Well, it's not necessarily that simple |
| 18:58.33 | itchi | ustunozgur: That all depend of the problem, sure, if i have time i look but most of the time i only can fix it if i have the intructions. Each of us have his knowledges. |
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| 18:58.50 | itchi | A bit to late, my msg :-p |
| 18:58.59 | Wyzard | trying to think of an example |
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| 18:59.13 | capiira | hmm imagine a new mysql version come out with completly new config file structure and options etc. |
| 18:59.14 | ustunozgur | Ok, I think I may try it then . That doesnt sound too intimidating. |
| 18:59.26 | capiira | then you would need to fix the cofig manually |
| 18:59.28 | Wyzard | yeah, that's a good example |
| 18:59.28 | capiira | n |
| 18:59.30 | stew | ustunozgur: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 18:59.38 | itchi | n3kl: Some mime type problems? |
| 18:59.55 | Wyzard | PostgreSQL did something like that at one point, when the maintainer changed the packaging to allow several versions to be installed side-by-side |
| 19:00.05 | itchi | Tux junior want food, brb |
| 19:00.16 | n3kl | itchi: any idea how I can correct this? |
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| 19:00.21 | ustunozgur | stew: but you have to start at some point, right? |
| 19:00.40 | stew | ustunozgur: yeah, testing |
| 19:00.44 | stew | ustunozgur: well, stable, really |
| 19:00.54 | Wyzard | The details of udev's configuration has also changed occasionally, though I think that's mostly stabilized now |
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| 19:01.12 | ustunozgur | no, I mean, did everyone know what was expecting them exactly before trying out sid? no. |
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| 19:01.43 | roxy_ | ustunozgur: If you plan to use unstable at least have a stable debian partition so you can boot and work if needed . |
| 19:01.45 | stew | ustunozgur: no, which is why we are trying to warn you against it |
| 19:02.19 | capiira | or another example due a new lib for harddisks most fstab options changed to sda in others distros |
| 19:02.25 | Wyzard | ustunozgur: I started using unstable back when I was relatively inexperienced, but I've learned a lot over time, more than I probably would have if I was running stable |
| 19:02.29 | roxy_ | ustunozgur: because when it breaks, it's always when you really need to get things done and can't waist time and sys ad stuff. |
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| 19:02.39 | Wyzard | but I only use it on my personal desktop at home, where I don't do any essential work |
| 19:02.50 | Wyzard | so if something breaks, it's not a huge problem |
| 19:02.55 | capiira | if this happens on a system with hda in fstab then your system break |
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| 19:03.25 | Wyzard | capiira: ah, excellent example -- that's one of those things that can completely stop one's system from booting, but it's not a broken package, it's just a configuration change one needs to adjust to |
| 19:03.31 | capiira | dunno if this already changed in unstable |
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| 19:04.02 | ustunozgur | OK, I think I'm ready for those :) thank you all for the feedbacks. |
| 19:04.04 | dvs | Wyzard: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=349442;archive=yes |
| 19:04.05 | capiira | yeah and there is also no dpkg reconfigure for that iirc |
| 19:04.23 | Wyzard | yeah, you have to edit menu.lst and fstab manually |
| 19:04.40 | capiira | with a crypted system impossible :D |
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| 19:05.21 | malmen | anyone know how to install php_apc on debian ? |
| 19:05.21 | Wyzard | capiira: No, quite possible... I use full-disk encryption and I've had to do recovery stuff like that |
| 19:05.43 | Wyzard | capiira: I boot the Ubuntu liveCD, install cryptsetup, unlock the disk, mount and chroot, and make whatever changes I need |
| 19:05.54 | capiira | good idea |
| 19:05.55 | capiira | heh |
| 19:06.24 | Wyzard | I guess that's a good example of the sort of thing a sid user should be expected to know how to do |
| 19:06.29 | jhutchins_lt | Wyzard: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 19:06.50 | Wyzard | jhutchins_lt: Someone else mentioned that just a little while ago, but I wasn't aware of it until today |
| 19:06.54 | itchi | n3kl: Sorry, i have prepare his food. But i dunno how to fix your trouble too :-s |
| 19:07.17 | Wyzard | jhutchins_lt: AFAIK that's not an officially-released product yet, and I keep Ubuntu isos around anyway, so I'll stick with their liveCD for now |
| 19:07.17 | itchi | n3kl: I guess that the encoding is wrong |
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| 19:08.01 | capiira | wyzard but your using sid for 6 years how often would you say such things happen ? |
| 19:08.09 | jhutchins_lt | So the deb distros don't detect the DVD writer as writable, and Mandriva One won't boot. Gonna be tough to back this HD up. |
| 19:08.13 | n3kl | itchi: I am looking around, it might be html coding or something, but I don't know how to a) find out what coding is being used and b) convert it into legible coding. |
| 19:08.15 | capiira | dealing with that daily would be a mess |
| 19:08.27 | capiira | monthly too |
| 19:08.35 | gcardinal | how can I check if my apache has mod_Rewrite ? |
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| 19:08.47 | itchi | n3kl: Ask the person in question? |
| 19:08.57 | Wyzard | capiira: I've only been using disk encryption for 2 years, but I think anytime I've had to do that particular thing it's been a result of something I broke on my own |
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| 19:09.04 | xand | gcardinal: that comes as standard on debian |
| 19:09.27 | stew | gcardinal: apache or apache2? |
| 19:09.36 | gcardinal | apache2 |
| 19:09.44 | capiira | i mean not related to dsk encryption i mean a hard break like that |
| 19:09.51 | stew | gcardinal: its installed, "a2enmod rewrite" to enable it |
| 19:09.53 | jhutchins_lt | So how is one supposed to mount something as user-readable? Seems to default to root read only. |
| 19:09.58 | vor | Hi, Adsl connection recommendations pleas |
| 19:09.58 | vor | I'm conected with an all in one adsl modem/router + switch, now I got my hands on a dedicated stand-alone router/switch. will it be better to work with it and the adsl modem as only a modem? |
| 19:09.58 | vor | for the time been I do not suffer from the known linux vpn problems on the one box adsl modem/router. |
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| 19:10.06 | stew | jhutchins_lt: which filesystem? |
| 19:10.15 | Wyzard | capiira: I used to use yaird for my initramfs, and it can't cope *at all* with changes in boot partitions or whatever, so when I changed the name of the LVM volume group inside my encrypted partition, and forgot to re-generate the initramfs, my system was unbootable until I did the unlock/mount/chroot thing to fix it |
| 19:10.23 | jhutchins_lt | It's ntfs, I know it should mount read-only, but why root only? |
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| 19:10.40 | gcardinal | stew thx! debian is easy, specialy after slackware |
| 19:10.40 | xand | vor: if it's working fine, why change? |
| 19:10.42 | Wyzard | capiira: (I also stopped using yaird at that point) |
| 19:10.43 | n3kl | itchi: its spam. I am parsing the email based on rules to sort them and such, but I can't read these emails. |
| 19:10.46 | stew | jhutchins_lt: /msg dpkg ntfsro |
| 19:10.47 | capiira | :) |
| 19:10.49 | xand | vor: also, see ##networking |
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| 19:11.13 | vor | xand: thnxs |
| 19:11.22 | n3kl | itchi: well, thanks |
| 19:11.24 | itchi | n3kl: My knowledges about 'mail' is way's to low :-( |
| 19:11.37 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Hm. |
| 19:11.41 | Wyzard | capiira: On a few occasions I've needed to do liveCD recovery work for reasons not related to my own mistakes, but I can't remember any details |
| 19:11.42 | jhutchins_lt | Thanks. |
| 19:11.42 | itchi | n3kl: No probs, you're welcome ;-0 |
| 19:12.01 | wols_ | n3kl: it's probably quoted printable gone wrong or such |
| 19:12.03 | capiira | maybe upgrade to unstable and disable autoupdate is a good idea |
| 19:12.06 | prahal | wols_, thank you . They tell it is ##workingset in #gcc channel :-) great that this channel exists I was missing it |
| 19:12.09 | infidel | any of you guys know cisco routers at all? |
| 19:12.21 | Wyzard | capiira: I don't see that sort of recovery work as a major issue so incidents don't really stand out in my mind |
| 19:12.25 | byon | infidel: yeah some of us do, but there's a cisco channel in this network i suppose |
| 19:12.38 | byon | try, #cisco |
| 19:12.46 | capiira | ah ok |
| 19:12.55 | infidel | byon, yeah i never get an answer for my question there though |
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| 19:13.14 | wols_ | !they don't know |
| 19:13.15 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 19:13.19 | cartesian1984 | What package do I have to install to get my /lib/modules/2.6.21-1-686/build directory? |
| 19:13.23 | xand | infidel: not a reason to ask here... try ##networking |
| 19:13.24 | itchi | infidel: You want /msg chanserv list *cisco* |
| 19:13.33 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: Any linux-image-2.6.21-1-* package |
| 19:13.43 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: oops, no, linux-image-2.6.21-1-686 specifically, I guess |
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| 19:13.53 | vor | xand: I think I get saturation whin all 4 box work hard |
| 19:14.07 | n3kl | infidel: go get ccna study guide |
| 19:14.13 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: argh, ignore that, I'm stupid and blind today |
| 19:14.15 | wols_ | cartesian1984: what are you triying to compile? |
| 19:14.24 | wols_ | all you actually should need is the headers for your kernel |
| 19:14.31 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: The "build" symlink is in linux-headers-2.6.21-1-686, along with the headers directory which the symlink points to |
| 19:14.39 | infidel | n3kl, i have enough books on it i need to ask someone with experience |
| 19:14.40 | cartesian1984 | Kay. Thanks. |
| 19:14.54 | n3kl | infidel: what are you doing? |
| 19:14.55 | byon | infidel: hire-a-ccie.com not debian channel |
| 19:15.06 | n3kl | infidel: there is always #networking too |
| 19:15.09 | byon | yeah. |
| 19:16.00 | n3kl | byon: ha |
| 19:16.00 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: I'd recommend installing linux-headers-2.6-686 (which is analogous to linux-image-2.6-686), so that whenever a new kernel package gets installed (say linux-image-2.6.22-1-686), its headers get installed automatically too |
| 19:16.00 | infidel | n3kl, tryed there also |
| 19:16.00 | byon | !they dont know |
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| 19:16.01 | infidel | byon, be calm |
| 19:16.08 | wols_ | infidel: then stop being OT |
| 19:16.27 | dacs | guys please help me , my laptop mouse is very slow. can you help me please |
| 19:16.48 | dvs | dacs: install gpm |
| 19:16.48 | n3kl | infidel: dood, if you have the books, read them. and again, what are you doing? |
| 19:16.57 | yure | hi, where could i find a list of all tcp/ip ports that are used by debian? |
| 19:17.14 | byon | infidel: ah just pm me. i may be able to help. |
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| 19:17.17 | itchi | dacs: Power on the crystal ball and look what happend |
| 19:17.20 | yure | not are used, but could ever be used |
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| 19:17.45 | wols_ | yure: netstat -anp |less |
| 19:17.48 | wols_ | all that are youed |
| 19:17.52 | wols_ | *used |
| 19:18.04 | wols_ | yure: all 65k of them. |
| 19:18.27 | yure | wols_ i am installing a proprietary application, and would like to know which port is not going to be taken by debian |
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| 19:18.41 | yure | ie 3306 is mysql 5432 is postgresql,... |
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| 19:19.12 | dacs | dvs and after i install gpm what is the next step |
| 19:19.40 | dvs | dacs: use the /dev/gpmdata device as a pointer instead of /dev/mouse or /dev/psuax |
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| 19:20.01 | dacs | dvs how would i do this |
| 19:20.16 | dvs | dacs: where is your mouse slow? |
| 19:20.24 | dacs | gnome |
| 19:20.50 | dvs | dacs: oh. Doesn't gnome have settings for mouse sensitivity? |
| 19:21.14 | dacs | dvs i set the sensitivity to max |
| 19:21.25 | n3kl | dacs: what kind of mouse |
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| 19:22.06 | dvs | dacs: Ok, then in /etc/X11/xorg.conf find the Mouse section and set the device to /dev/gpmdata |
| 19:22.11 | dacs | n3kl: it the touch tap one, its built in the laptop |
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| 19:23.09 | n3kl | dacs: is it synaptics? |
| 19:23.34 | n3kl | dacs: cause generic will make a synaptics pointer, I think. At least it did for me. |
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| 19:25.06 | itchi | dacs: Hold on |
| 19:25.40 | ManuP | how do i create a dir on my local machine which is via ftp accessable and one could upload files to it? |
| 19:25.44 | itchi | dacs: Look to this http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=118#setting_up_the_touchpad |
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| 19:25.48 | Wyzard | xorg has a specialized driver for synaptics, but I think setting the sensitivity required editing xorg.conf |
| 19:25.58 | Wyzard | though I'm not sure; I've had no problems with the sensitivity of my touchpad |
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| 19:26.22 | roland_ | can anyone recomend me good and not complicated to setup and maintain ftp server package pls |
| 19:26.38 | byon | vsftpd |
| 19:26.45 | byon | roland_: vsftp |
| 19:26.59 | roland_ | ok thanks |
| 19:27.07 | Wyzard | roland_: SFTP is preferable, unless it's a public anonymous FTP server |
| 19:27.21 | xingu | dacs, Wyzard: I had issues with a widescreen touchpad until I ran gsynaptics, dumped some agreeable setigs, and put them back into the relevant input device section; I can paste these if you like. |
| 19:27.25 | roland_ | i do it anonymous server but only for my lan |
| 19:27.29 | roland_ | no internet |
| 19:27.47 | byon | roland_: vsftp will fit your requirement, just spend 10minutes of your time configuring. |
| 19:27.48 | ManuP | is this usable for my purpose too? |
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| 19:28.03 | Wyzard | xingu: Mine's widescreen too, but I find the defaults to be fine |
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| 19:28.17 | xingu | dacs: my native res is 1680x1050 and this is a two-button touchpad |
| 19:28.21 | byon | ManuP: mkdir /var/tmp/ftp/ && chmod 777 /var/tmp/ftp |
| 19:28.31 | byon | point your ftp root directory to there. |
| 19:28.46 | ManuP | byon, how do i do this? |
| 19:28.53 | byon | in the shell? |
| 19:28.57 | ManuP | byon, yes |
| 19:29.00 | ivx | hey if i am trying to make a cron job can't i just put a file in the cron.hourly folder and it should run? |
| 19:29.19 | ManuP | byon, or where ever i do that... |
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| 19:29.36 | byon | ManuP: do u have a ftp service installed? |
| 19:29.37 | xand | ivx: if you're root and if the file is named suitably |
| 19:29.47 | ManuP | byon, no. |
| 19:29.49 | xand | !ftp |
| 19:29.49 | dpkg | well, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 19:30.04 | ivx | xand, i'm root, and what do you mean by named suitably? what does it have to be named |
| 19:30.08 | xingu | dacs, Wyzard: here's what I'm using in xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/556814 |
| 19:30.19 | byon | ManuP: dude. u have to install a ftp service if you want to serve ftpd service |
| 19:30.28 | dacs | dvs after i change the mouse dev in the /etc/x11/xorg.conf should i reboot or is there is another way to update |
| 19:30.31 | xingu | dacs: again all those magic tunables are a straight dump/ paste from gsynaptics after tweaking. |
| 19:30.42 | xand | ivx: it won't work if it's got a dot in it, for example (dunno why) |
| 19:30.46 | xingu | dacs: imho you're on a hiding to nothing with gpm mouse device. |
| 19:30.50 | Wyzard | dacs: You need to restart X, but there's no need to reboot the whole computer |
| 19:30.57 | n3kl | wols_: Thank you. You were right, Quoted printable transfer method. Thankfully, perl has a module for that. Its been a two day project figuring this out. Thank you |
| 19:31.04 | dvs | dacs: you should look at /etc/gpm.conf to make sure that gpm is pointing to your mouse device. |
| 19:31.10 | HardDisk_WP | whats the application that KDE starts if no .kde directory exists? (this assistant) |
| 19:31.17 | davidL | I really need some help with RAID 5 on Debian. Full description of the problem here: http://pastebin.ca/556808 . Thanks for looking. |
| 19:31.20 | dvs | dacs: whatever was in your xorg.conf file |
| 19:31.24 | Wyzard | xingu: Many of those settings look unnecessary -- you have settings for circular scrolling, for example, even though circular scrolling is disabled |
| 19:31.30 | ManuP | byon, so i use the vsftp? |
| 19:31.41 | dacs | how to restart it |
| 19:31.43 | furrywolf | hrmm, not having my mouse work with a stock stable install is a bit annoying. users shouldn't have to get familiar with the details of xorg.conf just to have a mouse... |
| 19:32.11 | ivx | xand, so i can just creat a file called, we'll say, rsync and first like #!/bin/sh then second line the command, and that should do it |
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| 19:32.17 | furrywolf | or figure out why the kernel isn't loading the mouse modules. |
| 19:32.18 | xingu | Wyzard: yep; it worked the way I wanted to, I stopped fiddling |
| 19:32.27 | Wyzard | dacs: Are you using GDM (graphical login) or running startx from a text console? |
| 19:32.55 | Wyzard | xingu: I wouldn't want to dump that much clutter into my xorg.conf, especially since the touchpad works fine already |
| 19:33.00 | xingu | Wyzard: I never /reduced/ the unnecessaries; but some of the defaults are very, very annoying (like the horiz. scrollwheel) |
| 19:33.03 | dacs | GDM |
| 19:33.13 | Wyzard | xingu: I find the horizontal scrolling quite useful |
| 19:33.19 | dacs | brb |
| 19:33.21 | xingu | Wyzard: drives me bonkers. |
| 19:33.22 | Wyzard | dacs: Run "/etc/init.d/gdm reload" as root, then log out and back in |
| 19:33.43 | Wyzard | dacs: The "reload" command tells GDM to restart the X server at the next logout |
| 19:33.47 | itchi | dacs: ctr+alt+backspace is a way, /etc/init.d/gdm restart too |
| 19:33.56 | xingu | Wyzard: I'm still in two minds about the vert. one, but as it turns out beryl's zoom can use that to god effect |
| 19:34.00 | byon | ManuP: apt-get install vsftpd |
| 19:34.02 | Wyzard | Those work too, but they'll abruptly kill your whole session |
| 19:34.02 | itchi | Gona eat, brb |
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| 19:34.08 | Wyzard | Using "reload" lets you log out gracefully |
| 19:34.29 | Wyzard | xingu: Why would you ever not want to have a vertical scrollwheel? |
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| 19:35.23 | xingu | Wyzard: because it results in warps when you're trying to select? |
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| 19:36.16 | easuter | hi there |
| 19:36.16 | Wyzard | xingu: It only engages if you start dragging at the edge of the pad, not if you start elsewhere (just moving the mouse around) and then happen to move your finger to the edge |
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| 19:36.29 | xingu | Wyzard: I spend less than a tenth of a percent of time on the touchpad scrolling and about half the time there selecting |
| 19:36.35 | Wyzard | ah |
| 19:36.49 | furrywolf | ok... brand new stable install... no mouse. loading sermouse doesn't help. is there some debian way to make your mouse work, or should I start from scratch? :P |
| 19:36.51 | ManuP | byon, okay, but i dont want vsftp to start on every boot and i want to configure it... |
| 19:36.54 | Wyzard | You never scroll through web pages or anything? |
| 19:36.55 | anapi`laptop | Bonsoir |
| 19:37.15 | xingu | Wyzard: nope, the ones I read tend to fit onscreen; and if not, the cursor t-bar is a better pick |
| 19:37.24 | xingu | Wyzard: less likely to select text by accident while reading it |
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| 19:37.27 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Is it actually a serial mouse? |
| 19:37.35 | furrywolf | Wyzard: yes |
| 19:37.37 | xingu | Wyzard: as a gui metaphor, a touchpad scrollwheel is a fuckup. :) |
| 19:37.43 | xand | ivx: try it and see |
| 19:37.57 | Wyzard | xingu: Select text by accident while using a scrollwheel? |
| 19:38.01 | Wyzard | xingu: That makes no sense to me |
| 19:38.01 | easuter | I'm trying to install Debian 4 (etch) on an UtlraSparc system. The errata on the Debian website says that I have to boot with the "video=atyfb:off" in order to bypass the video redirection problem. How can i boot with this option after the CDROM silo has loaded? |
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| 19:38.20 | cartesian1984 | Wyzard: the linux-headers-2.6.21-1-686 package is broken methinks. |
| 19:38.23 | xingu | Wyzard: while *trying* to use the "scrollwheel", if your finger is a few mm outside the scroll region |
| 19:38.25 | ManuP | byon, okay, i found an how to... lets do it |
| 19:38.31 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Those can't be detected automatially; you'll probably need to edit xorg.conf |
| 19:38.35 | xingu | Wyzard: or vice-versa, both failure modes intensely stressful. |
| 19:38.44 | Wyzard | xingu: then you just harmlessly move the mouse pointer up and down |
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| 19:38.58 | Wyzard | xingu: Unless you do the double-tap to start a drag, you're not going to select anything |
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| 19:39.17 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: Why's that? |
| 19:39.19 | furrywolf | Wyzard: shouldn't the sermouse module send the output to the generic mouse device, same as a ps2 or use mouse, which xorg then looks at? |
| 19:39.29 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: I have linux-headers-2.6.21-1-amd64 installed and I see nothing wrong with it |
| 19:39.30 | xingu | Wyzard: it happens, it annoys me, it's going in the bin. |
| 19:39.33 | cartesian1984 | Wyzard: it says that linux-kbuild-2.6.21 is a dependency, but that package doesn't exist. |
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| 19:39.57 | Wyzard | furrywolf: no idea... I haven't used a serial mouse since 2.4 days, so I don't know how 2.6's input framework handles them |
| 19:40.09 | xingu | Wyzard: hats off to the guy that came up with palmdetect though |
| 19:40.17 | furrywolf | yeah, xorg.conf specifies /dev/input/mice, which should be good. |
| 19:40.18 | xingu | Wyzard: and two-finger tap-to-paste |
| 19:40.43 | easuter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.44 | Wyzard | xingu: two-finger tap-to-paste is just middle-click-to-paste, which has been around forever |
| 19:40.54 | dvs | !tell easuter -about repeat |
| 19:41.15 | easuter | ok, sorry.... |
| 19:41.18 | easuter | :\ |
| 19:41.24 | cartesian1984 | Wyzard: any idea why that might be? I'm running Lenny right now. Should I not be using this kernel? |
| 19:41.45 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: linux-image-2.6.21-1-686 doesn't exist in lenny yet, only in sid |
| 19:41.54 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: Did you download the .deb manually or something? |
| 19:41.54 | davidL | Wyzard: what would cause my 2 of my 3 devices in a RAID 5 array to suddenly "fail" and become "faulty spares"? |
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| 19:42.25 | Wyzard | davidL: I/O errors, probably |
| 19:42.34 | Wyzard | davidL: Didn't you say these disks are defective or something? |
| 19:42.56 | davidL | Wyzard: No, the disks are prefectly healthy, according to SeaTools. |
| 19:43.08 | cartesian1984 | Wyzard: I used a different repo. |
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| 19:43.24 | Wyzard | cartesian1984: Then get linux-kbuild-2.6.21 from that repo too |
| 19:43.39 | g00se | mkdir: cannot create directory "/devfs/moodle64": read only file system |
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| 19:43.53 | Wyzard | davidL: Well, I/O errors could be caused by other things, like the bad RAM or overheated processor that we discussed |
| 19:44.07 | Wyzard | davidL: Check your logs -- there should be some messages from when the disks were put into failed state |
| 19:44.23 | g00se | Can someone tell me why above? Etch, LVM |
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| 19:44.39 | Wyzard | g00se: etch doesn't use devfs |
| 19:45.04 | Wyzard | g00se: Nothing does anymore, in fact -- I think it's been removed from the kernel because it's obsoleted by udev |
| 19:45.19 | Flakk | Hi people I have a strange problem, my debian box does not want to mount the USB flash when i put it inside. any help? |
| 19:45.19 | furrywolf | cat /dev/ttyS0 shows garbage when you move the mouse, so the serial port is set up and working... but sermouse doesn't seem to do anything with it. |
| 19:45.35 | g00se | Wyzard: Where's that come from then - i just made an initrd, but i got the modules from Etch |
| 19:45.38 | Wyzard | furrywolf: My recommendation would be to get a non-ancient mouse :-) |
| 19:45.51 | Wyzard | g00se: no idea; I've never heard of a /devfs directory |
| 19:45.57 | furrywolf | Wyzard: the "mouse", in this case, is my KVM switch. |
| 19:46.00 | Wyzard | ah |
| 19:46.12 | Wyzard | furrywolf: My recommendation would be to get a non-ancient KVM switch :-P |
| 19:46.22 | furrywolf | Wyzard: you're more than welcome to buy me one. :P |
| 19:46.27 | furrywolf | anew new cables to go with it |
| 19:46.30 | furrywolf | and |
| 19:46.32 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 19:46.40 | Wyzard | PS/2 ones aren't too expensive, afaik, though USB ones are |
| 19:46.57 | Wyzard | I went looking for DVI and USB KVMs a while back and they're like $200 for just a 2-port one... ridiculous |
| 19:47.05 | furrywolf | I have a big "umbilical" cable... power, ethernet, vga, keyboard, and mouse all in one. :) |
| 19:47.19 | Wyzard | nifty |
| 19:47.34 | Wyzard | Anyway, I have no idea how serial mice are handled in 2.6, sorry |
| 19:47.38 | g00se | Wyzard: could it be coz mkinitrd is ooooooold? |
| 19:47.48 | Wyzard | g00se: etch doesn't use mkinitrd either |
| 19:47.51 | furrywolf | lets me plug in random computers with a minimal amount of effort... except that debian no longer likes serial mice. :P |
| 19:48.44 | furrywolf | hell, even bloody windows figures out how to make serial mice work... and if windows can do it, so can linux, except it should be ten times as fast. :) |
| 19:48.45 | Wyzard | g00se: though mkinitrd did use devfs, so if it's an intrd error, that's probably the reason |
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| 19:48.45 | Wyzard | g00se: Removal of devfs in the kernel is the main reason why mkinitrd is no longer used, I believe |
| 19:48.50 | furrywolf | I can't find any documentation on the sermouse module, and the source code is not too useful either. |
| 19:48.51 | g00se | Well i used it coz i was having problems booting with SATA disc. Compiled 2.6.20.1 kernel |
| 19:49.11 | Wyzard | g00se: etch does not have 2.6.20 either |
| 19:49.44 | g00se | Wyzard: No - i had to recompile the kernel ;-) |
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| 19:50.03 | furrywolf | my kvm actually has ps/2 mouse ports... but my cable has only serial. :) |
| 19:50.07 | Flakk | Hello people, any help with the USB memory? it does not work any more and I am really puzzled. I am under debian etch |
| 19:50.08 | Wyzard | g00se: Compiling a custom kernel is one thing, but the mkinitrd package doesn't even *exist* in etch |
| 19:50.33 | Wyzard | g00se: It's replaced by mkinitramfs |
| 19:50.59 | Wyzard | g00se: If you build a custom kernel, you should use make-kpkg so you get a .deb that generates its own initrd upon installation, like Debian's standard ones do |
| 19:51.21 | g00se | Wyzard: maybe didn't need to use mkinitrd. Was worried about it as other kernels have initrd |
| 19:51.38 | g00se | Wyzard: Used make menuconfig |
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| 19:52.04 | furrywolf | I've never compiled a kernel with an initrd... |
| 19:52.05 | Wyzard | g00se: If you're building a custom kernel, you can choose to statically compile the drivers so that an initrd isn't needed, but it's fine to use an intrd with a custom kernel |
| 19:52.09 | ivx | hey rsync is running 3 times, freak accident, how can i stop all of them, i tried kill all rsync, then it says -bash: kill: all: arguments must be process or job IDs -bash: kill: rsync: arguments must be process or job IDs |
| 19:52.19 | xingu | Wyzard: feel like pasting your inputdevice section for your touchpad? |
| 19:52.31 | xingu | ivx: pkill -HUP rsync |
| 19:52.38 | g00se | Wyzard: What's your advice now then to get an initrd for new kernel? |
| 19:52.56 | Wyzard | g00se: but despite the files in /boot still having "initrd" in their names, what's actually used now is "initramfs", which is a different format (compressed cpio archive rather than cramfs) and which is generated by a different tool (mkinitramfs) |
| 19:53.08 | Wyzard | g00se: mkinitramfs is analogous to mkinitrd but it works for modern kernels |
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| 19:53.23 | g00se | Wyzard: so should i use mkinitramfs then? |
| 19:53.50 | g00se | Or should i go back to make-kpkg? |
| 19:54.16 | Wyzard | g00se: The .deb packages produced by make-kpkg (when you use the --initrd option) run mkinitramfs automatically |
| 19:54.53 | g00se | Yes, that sounds excellent. But from where i am now, would it be better to go on to mkinitramfs? |
| 19:54.59 | furrywolf | all the installation guide says is "Certain kernel modules must be loaded in order for your mouse to work." ... "sermouse Most serial mice" |
| 19:55.09 | furrywolf | somehow that documentation is completely unhelpful. :) |
| 19:55.29 | Wyzard | g00se: Your only options are to use mkinitramfs, or to build the relevant drivers statically so that no initramfs is needed |
| 19:55.37 | ivx | oh i almost forgot to say thanks xingu, thanks |
| 19:55.56 | g00se | Wyzard: You're a star |
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| 19:56.05 | Wyzard | xingu: http://rafb.net/p/wwxtiP89.html |
| 19:56.14 | Wyzard | xingu: The commented-out stuff is things I'd tried out and then decided not to use |
| 19:56.14 | vin` | ivx: btw, it's killall not kill all |
| 19:56.34 | Wyzard | g00se: Just build your kernel with make-kpkg --initrd, and all should be fine |
| 19:56.43 | xingu | Wyzard: cheers, time to trim mine down to the sim-ple-bare-necessities |
| 19:56.59 | wols_ | g00se: if you can get away without using a initrd: do it |
| 19:57.20 | xingu | Wyzard: nb if this is linux-2.6 /dev/input/mouseX is a better pick than /dev/psaux |
| 19:57.38 | g00se | wols_:Can't don't think. Modules not static don't think |
| 19:57.40 | Wyzard | xingu: Note that the only actual option I have in effect is "GuestMouseOff" |
| 19:57.45 | xingu | Wyzard: *nod* |
| 19:57.46 | Wyzard | xingu: i.e. defaults for everything else |
| 19:58.02 | Wyzard | (and I'm not sure why GuestMouseOff is there... I don't recall putting it there, and the "stick" mouse does still work) |
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| 19:58.22 | wols_ | g00se: in english? |
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| 19:58.34 | Wyzard | xingu: /dev/psaux is an alias for /dev/input/mice in 2.6 kernels... but that's just part of the config generated by the xorg package when it was installed, and I didn't bother changing it |
| 19:58.49 | g00se | wols_: *although* i could try it. I'll comment out the initrd in menu.lst |
| 19:59.03 | Wyzard | wols_: Why do you recommend avoiding initrd? |
| 19:59.06 | xingu | Wyzard: nope; psaux is what it says on the tin, emulated psaux port. |
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| 19:59.14 | xingu | Wyzard: /dev/input/mouseX is evdev |
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| 19:59.19 | wols_ | Wyzard: cause it's one more thing to go wrong |
| 19:59.19 | xingu | Wyzard: check the minor/majors and source |
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| 19:59.47 | wols_ | if you build a custom kernel in the first place, it better be custom |
| 19:59.54 | wols_ | otherwise, what's the point? |
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| 20:00.15 | Wyzard | xingu: /dev/input/event* is evdev; /dev/input/mouse* is the legacy mouse-specific portion of the kernel's input framework |
| 20:00.23 | cmacis | I broke my debian partition messing with the graphics drivers. Anybody know of a good guide for setting up the VIA VN800 graphics with debian? |
| 20:00.27 | ManuP | can you connect to 84.58.107.42 via ftp? as user anonymous? |
| 20:00.38 | ManuP | port 20 |
| 20:00.38 | xingu | Wyzard: that's not what the device majors say |
| 20:00.40 | tarzeau | cmacis: yes, i know the non-debian way |
| 20:00.53 | Wyzard | xingu: In 2.6, PS/2 mice are handled by the input framework too |
| 20:00.54 | cmacis | as long as it works on debian then I'm happy |
| 20:01.00 | tarzeau | cmacis: i'm really curious though how you messed up partition while trying to setup nvidia video drivers??? |
| 20:01.05 | xingu | Wyzard: yes; but only if you use /dev/input/mouse* |
| 20:01.12 | tarzeau | cmacis: but it's forbidden here, try #debian-sid |
| 20:01.22 | xingu | Wyzard: otherwise, you're talking to an evdev emulated ps2 port on top |
| 20:01.24 | wols_ | tarzeau: vua vn800 is nvidia? |
| 20:01.25 | cmacis | the unstable version? |
| 20:01.30 | xingu | aaaanyway. |
| 20:01.33 | wols_ | so who got bought by whom? nvidia or via? |
| 20:01.47 | tarzeau | wols_: typo i guess |
| 20:01.49 | furrywolf | ok, I'm starting to get pissed off... google doesn't find anything, the debian installation guide is useless, there's no documentation at all related to serial mice with the kernel source, and the module source code seems to give very little clue on what to do when it mysteriously doesn't work. |
| 20:01.51 | Wyzard | xingu: I know /dev/psaux is a separate driver, but what I mean is that it just gives you events from the input framework, not directly from mouse hardware |
| 20:01.56 | tarzeau | wols_: oh wait, it's not nvidia? |
| 20:02.01 | Wyzard | xingu: i.e. it's an alias (effectively) for /dev/input/mice |
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| 20:02.22 | malmen | hello |
| 20:02.31 | xingu | Wyzard: sort-of; the evdev framework for telling the upper layers about the lower layer device type/caps/framing is also absent, using psaux. |
| 20:02.43 | wols_ | cmacis: you still haven#t answered: how did you break it? |
| 20:03.12 | cmacis | I think it may have been something to do with the unsafe power offs when I panicked about it not doing anything |
| 20:03.25 | malmen | i was install php5 via apt, now i want install php_acp and i not found it on apt... i found on google how to install, and for it i need phpize, and i not fund phpize on apt too, anyone can help me please ? |
| 20:03.40 | wols_ | cmacis: that is not an answer or problem description. try again |
| 20:04.45 | wols_ | malmen: only if you ask specific questions |
| 20:05.09 | cmacis | I installed the openchrome drivers and changed my xorg.conf file and restarted X. The screen froze so I hit the power button. Now I can't get into KDE or the console. |
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| 20:05.25 | malmen | i want install php_acp. i was installed php5 via apt-get |
| 20:05.37 | wols_ | malmen: we already know that |
| 20:05.40 | wols_ | cmacis: and? |
| 20:05.46 | regulate | is there an arm cross compiler toolchain package? |
| 20:05.54 | malmen | i dont know how to install it |
| 20:06.02 | wols_ | cmacis: why would a boot into single user mode not work? |
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| 20:06.03 | malmen | if anyone can get to me a help, or a tuturial |
| 20:06.08 | XtypeWriter74 | hi. i am trying to open .swf files with MC directing to vlc player,,, i edited the Video line in /etc/mc/mc.ext with :: regex/\.([sS][wW][fF])$ / Include=video,,, but the file(s) will not open up in vlc, does anybody have an idea what i am missing ? |
| 20:06.09 | cmacis | I'll try that |
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| 20:06.31 | malmen | i only found tuturials to install php_acp with phpize, but i dont know how to install phpize too |
| 20:06.33 | furrywolf | ok, this is stupid. I've spent a half hour and still don't have a mouse working. |
| 20:06.47 | furrywolf | this needs to be fixed. newbies aren't ever going to have a mouse working at this rate. :) |
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| 20:06.55 | wols_ | malmen: phpize is a shell script. get it and run it? |
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| 20:06.56 | Ksz | hello |
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| 20:06.57 | Wyzard | malmen: The stuff involving phpize is for compiling the extension from source |
| 20:07.02 | Ksz | how to upgrade debian 3.1 to 4.0 ? |
| 20:07.15 | Wyzard | malmen: That might be your only option if it isn't packaged, but look for packages (even unofficial third-party packages) first |
| 20:07.15 | XtypeWriter74 | tried out dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg <furrywolf> |
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| 20:07.20 | wols_ | !tell Ksz about sarge->etch |
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| 20:07.29 | Wyzard | Ksz: Read the release notes / installation guide on debian.org |
| 20:07.31 | malmen | hmmmm |
| 20:07.34 | furrywolf | the only thing I've managed to find with google is "this one is essentially undocumented" |
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| 20:07.56 | Ksz | thanks , apt-get hasnt that option build in? |
| 20:08.01 | furrywolf | XtypeWriter74: the problem seems to be at the kernel level... cat /dev/ttyS0 shows proper mouse input, but cat /dev/input/mice shows nada. |
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| 20:08.22 | gotgenes | Is this a major bug? As root tar unpacks files and directories under the wrong username and group. It should unpack as root but it's unpacking as a seemingly random system user. |
| 20:08.33 | XtypeWriter74 | oh |
| 20:08.40 | Wyzard | Ksz: apt is what you use to upgrade (though you should use aptitude, not apt-get) |
| 20:08.41 | furrywolf | gotgenes: no, that's a feature. read the tar manpage. |
| 20:08.44 | wols_ | gotgenes: how do you unpack? what line? |
| 20:09.13 | gotgenes | tar -xzvf myarchive.tar.gz |
| 20:09.17 | Wyzard | Ksz: but it's not as simple as just running a single command; that's why you read the release notes to understand how to do it correctly |
| 20:09.45 | wols_ | gotgenes: tar preserves UIDs. so it's not a bug |
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| 20:10.02 | Wyzard | gotgenes: tarfiles contain the names and uids of the owner of the original files |
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| 20:10.09 | furrywolf | I'm looking at the sermouse.c source, and I can't figure out where it gets any options or even figures out which port to use... |
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| 20:10.13 | Wyzard | gotgenes: For root, by default, it preserves those rather than changing them to root ownership |
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| 20:10.42 | Wyzard | gotgenes: There's an option to turn that off and make it behave like it does for normal users, taking ownership of everything; see the tar manpage |
| 20:10.43 | wols_ | furrywolf: /dev/ttyS0 (COM1) |
| 20:10.47 | gotgenes | I need to use the -o, right. Never realized that. |
| 20:10.55 | thedonvaughn | furrywolf, you're using a serial mouse? |
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| 20:11.09 | gotgenes | wow, well, it caught me by surprise |
| 20:11.14 | jayeola | hey chaps. lenny installed on a laptop. wireless-tools installed. slaped in an orinoco card nothing showing under /sbin/lsmod. what gives? |
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| 20:11.25 | furrywolf | the sermouse.c driver seems intertwined with the overall serio.c module, so it's hard to trace what it's doing... |
| 20:11.28 | gotgenes | now I know, and knowing is half the battle |
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| 20:11.48 | Wyzard | jayeola: If it's a PCMCIA card (as opposed to CardBus) then you'll need pcmcia-cs |
| 20:11.49 | furrywolf | thedonvaughn: no, I'm spending an hour trying to make sermouse.c work with my usb mouse. </sarcasm> :P |
| 20:11.56 | jayeola | Wyzard: ty! |
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| 20:12.01 | thedonvaughn | furrywolf, well there's your issue :) |
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| 20:12.14 | wols_ | jayeola: maybe you should start with lspci? |
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| 20:12.27 | Wyzard | jayeola: PCMCIA cards are basically ISA, so there's not much in the way of hardware detection besides what pcmcia-cs can do |
| 20:12.30 | wols_ | or lspcmcia |
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| 20:12.32 | jayeola | wols_: pccard info -does- list the card |
| 20:13.05 | thedonvaughn | vorpal, what's wrong with wi-fi? |
| 20:13.16 | vorpal | jayeola: it's a kernel module |
| 20:13.20 | wols_ | if lspcmcia already shows the card why would you need pcmcia drivers? |
| 20:14.50 | CarlFK | wols_: "show the card" is not "use the card" |
| 20:14.50 | Wyzard | vorpal: pcmcia-cs is also a package |
| 20:14.50 | thedonvaughn | wols_, same reason lspci will show a card even if a module that controls that hardware isn't loaded |
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| 20:14.51 | vorpal | Wyzard: ah, so it is. apologies |
| 20:14.51 | jayeola | but i thought that the "laptop" packages would have taken care of that at install time. |
| 20:14.51 | Wyzard | jayeola: very possibly |
| 20:14.51 | wols_ | CarlFK: without drivers for the pcmcia chip. nothing would be shows. I said pcmcia drives, no wifi card drivers |
| 20:14.51 | jayeola | hrm. k |
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| 20:14.51 | jayeola | thanks for the tips chaps |
| 20:14.52 | Wyzard | jayeola: It might also be that your card needs a third-party driver that's not part of the standard kernel |
| 20:14.52 | Wyzard | but I don't use Orinoco cards so I don't know |
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| 20:14.53 | jayeola | nope. orinoco. open as hell ;) |
| 20:14.58 | CarlFK | wols_: good point. |
| 20:15.00 | vorpal | thedonvaughn: only that i spent the last two days trying to get three different cards to work with my laptop. ended up frying one of them in a failed flash procedure |
| 20:15.06 | Wyzard | I didn't say proprietary driver |
| 20:15.18 | Wyzard | but there are some open drivers that are not part of the standard kernel |
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| 20:15.24 | Wyzard | (madwifi for Atheros cards, for example) |
| 20:15.31 | furrywolf | I give up... screw doing it right. I'm just going to add the serial device directly to xorg.conf. |
| 20:15.32 | thedonvaughn | vorpal, ouch. setup my ipw3945 in like 5 mins luckily :) |
| 20:15.35 | jayeola | ah. /me is too eager "3rd-party" . yah i gotcha |
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| 20:15.54 | wols_ | is there _any_ WiFI card that works out of the box? e.g which doesN#t need some firmware, special driver, etc? |
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| 20:16.01 | cmacis | single user mode wouldn't work either |
| 20:16.12 | Wyzard | wols_: I think they all need at least a firmware file |
| 20:16.14 | jayeola | prism-based cards work fine for me |
| 20:16.17 | wols_ | cmacis: do you think we are psychic? |
| 20:16.17 | vorpal | speaking of which, has onyone succeeded in getting WPA w/AES encryption working? |
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| 20:16.23 | vorpal | *anyone |
| 20:16.25 | cmacis | heh |
| 20:16.29 | alex116 | wols_ atheros cards are pretty good too... the drivers usually work once you install them :) |
| 20:16.32 | cmacis | No, but I was just here |
| 20:16.36 | Wyzard | wols_: but my laptop's ipw2200 works fine (once I provide the firmware), even for WPA2 |
| 20:16.40 | jayeola | and orinoco-based cards are good to go |
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| 20:16.51 | wols_ | cmacis: but you still haven't told us the error. ever |
| 20:16.59 | MoDaX | vorpal: you need wpa_supplicant for this |
| 20:17.05 | wols_ | cmacis: so either start or learn how to do a proper problem report |
| 20:17.19 | Wyzard | !tell cmacis about doesn't work |
| 20:17.26 | vorpal | MoDaX: yes, i tried, but it didn't work with my wpc54gv2 |
| 20:17.42 | cmacis | Okay |
| 20:17.47 | vorpal | MoDaX: don't know if it's a limitation of the card or what |
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| 20:17.56 | Wyzard | vorpal: WPA with AES is essentially WPA2, isn't it? |
| 20:18.08 | wols_ | Wyzard: yes |
| 20:18.08 | MoDaX | vorpal: broadcom chip? |
| 20:18.34 | MoDaX | vorpal: why not just use openwrt.org ? |
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| 20:18.41 | vorpal | MoDaX: no, TI acx 111 |
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| 20:19.55 | MoDaX | I've managed to get rt2x00+wpa_supplicant working |
| 20:20.03 | wols_ | vorpal: wpa_supplicant does work with acx100 |
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| 20:20.14 | jayeola | tell me something. this is the -first- install in which /sbin/lsmod shows absolutely nothing. any clues? lenny installed |
| 20:20.33 | MoDaX | jayeola: impossible |
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| 20:20.47 | Wyzard | jayeola: "absolutely nothing" as in you have literally no modules loaded? Or you just don't have a module for that card? |
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| 20:20.50 | MoDaX | jayeola: cat /proc/modules |
| 20:21.00 | cmacis | I tried booting normally and in single user mode and the same thing happened. Firstly the computer said that hda3 was unmounted improperly so it would have to scan root. It scanned root and found errors which it claimed to have fixed. Then it rebooted. After reboot it gets to the stage before the splash screen where I always get a ghost image of whatever was on the screen before I turned the... |
| 20:21.01 | cmacis | ...computer off. Now it will not load past that stage. |
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| 20:21.36 | Wyzard | cmacis: Are you able to boot in single-user mode? |
| 20:21.41 | wols_ | cmacis: what "pslash"? |
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| 20:22.03 | jayeola | Wyzard: MoDaX http://rafb.net/p/ANiRNu39.html |
| 20:22.07 | Wyzard | wols_: probably the garbage onscreen while the video driver is initializing |
| 20:22.09 | julian | whats a good gnome ftp client? |
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| 20:22.15 | cmacis | Single-user mode also does that as above |
| 20:22.19 | Wyzard | wols_: With some drivers it'll show whatever was left over in video RAM previously |
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| 20:22.31 | Wyzard | cmacis: Single-user mode doesn't start X, so it can't be the same as what you described |
| 20:22.38 | wols_ | cmacis: now you see why boot splash images are a dumb idea: it prevents you from seeing helpful error messages |
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| 20:22.42 | MoDaX | jayeola: official kernel? |
| 20:22.48 | piper69 | !seen dvs |
| 20:22.48 | dpkg | dvs <n=me@bas17-toronto12-1096795389.dsl.bell.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 41m 54s ago, saying: '!tell easuter -about repeat'. |
| 20:22.48 | Jerom817 | Saw dvs Quit: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.2/2007050918]" on Sun Jun 10 22:59:51 2007 |
| 20:23.00 | cmacis | Yes, I shall change that from the default when I get back in |
| 20:23.21 | furrywolf | woot! mouse works. |
| 20:23.23 | Wyzard | cmacis: Or do you mean an actual bootsplash, not just X starting up? |
| 20:23.25 | Studiosus | How can I burn >4gb file on a dvd? |
| 20:23.29 | wols_ | cmacis: what default? what debian are you running? |
| 20:23.35 | jayeola | MoDaX: this was lenny installed about five hours ago. official kernel |
| 20:23.37 | furrywolf | gave up on making sermouse work, and just did it the Wrong Way by specifying it directly in xorf.conf... |
| 20:23.37 | MoDaX | Studiosus: use udf |
| 20:23.38 | cmacis | current version with kde |
| 20:23.42 | Wyzard | Studiosus: should be the same as burning any other DVD |
| 20:23.53 | wols_ | cmacis: what version of debian exactly? |
| 20:23.57 | dacs | Studiosus: google dvdhelp, the first link will help you |
| 20:23.58 | Studiosus | How can I use udf with growisofs? |
| 20:24.08 | MoDaX | jayeola: rebooting doesn't help? |
| 20:24.09 | Wyzard | oh, I see, you mean making the filesystem, not just burning the disc |
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| 20:24.33 | dacs | Wyzard: now when i start gdm i get faild to start the X server |
| 20:24.39 | cmacis | specifically this cd:http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:24.41 | wols_ | jayeola: if a dbeian kernel hasn't laoded any modules, something is seriously wrong |
| 20:24.48 | jayeola | will reboot as soon as i've built some packages but why would i need to reboot a *nix box? |
| 20:24.59 | wols_ | cmacis: did you enable the bootsplash? |
| 20:25.06 | jayeola | wols_: that's what i am thinking |
| 20:25.11 | cmacis | what would that be/mean? |
| 20:25.19 | MoDaX | Studiosus: mkisofs -udf |
| 20:25.34 | jayeola | wols_: did u see the results of my paste above ^^ ? |
| 20:25.39 | wols_ | cmacis: there is no splash in a debian install normally. and as Wyzard said, when booting single user mode there is no X. so where do you get a splash? |
| 20:25.42 | wols_ | and why? |
| 20:25.45 | wols_ | jayeola: yes |
| 20:25.50 | Wyzard | MoDaX: That generates a hybrid ISO9660+UDF... dunno if that'd work with a >4GB file |
| 20:25.59 | cmacis | I'm not installing atm, that is the cd I installed from |
| 20:26.00 | mutantpineapple | update-rc.d is insisting that system startup links already exist for apache2, but they don't |
| 20:26.15 | Wyzard | Studiosus: Try what MoDaX said, but if that doesn't work, try mkudffs from the "udftools" package, to generate a pure UDF filesystem |
| 20:26.16 | mutantpineapple | using the -f switch didn't work |
| 20:26.21 | MoDaX | Wyzard: I have no clue. I use k3b for cd/dvd burning |
| 20:26.24 | wols_ | cmacis: you already have installed. so why a CD? |
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| 20:26.35 | dacs | how can i reconfiger xorg |
| 20:26.36 | cmacis | Just to show what version I am using |
| 20:26.52 | wols_ | cmacis: that doesn#t explain your talk about bootsplashes... |
| 20:26.58 | dacs | --> dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 20:27.11 | wols_ | dacs: dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 20:27.14 | Raim | hi |
| 20:27.23 | dacs | !reconfigure |
| 20:27.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, reconfigure is really dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
| 20:27.45 | Raim | quick question, why is manpages-posix in the non-free section? |
| 20:27.45 | furrywolf | is it my imagination, or has debian taken a step backwards with the current installer... doesn't ask you nearly enough questions, and everything gets set up with (typically wrong) defaults? |
| 20:28.01 | dacs | wols_: and is it xserver-xorg? |
| 20:28.05 | wols_ | dacs: yes |
| 20:28.12 | wols_ | furrywolf: are you using netinst ISO? |
| 20:28.15 | MoDaX | furrywolf: there is expert mode |
| 20:28.23 | Wyzard | furrywolf: I think it's streamlined the common cases, maybe at the expense of uncommon cases like ancient mice |
| 20:28.39 | furrywolf | wols_: yes |
| 20:28.40 | mutantpineapple | i liked the sarge installer |
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| 20:28.48 | dacs | wols_: i very much appriciate it |
| 20:28.51 | dacs | ;) |
| 20:29.15 | furrywolf | for example, it asked what screen resolutions I wanted to use, but never asked for my monitor's refresh rate... so it can't do most of them, and those that it does do, it does at 60hz. |
| 20:29.20 | cmacis | So what is confusing/unclear about what I've said? |
| 20:29.38 | dacs | what do you guy recommend -- Xorg or XFree86 |
| 20:29.54 | MoDaX | dacs: XFree86 is obsolete and non-free |
| 20:30.32 | furrywolf | xfree86 is obsolete, but last I tried, was infinitely easier to make your wacom tablet work properly. they may have since fixed that, though. |
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| 20:30.49 | Wyzard | furrywolf: That's because modern monitors can provide that info themselves |
| 20:31.13 | Wyzard | furrywolf: LCDs can even provide their native resolution |
| 20:31.17 | furrywolf | Wyzard: my modern monitor uses a $50 RGB breakout cable, and doesn't autodetect anything. |
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| 20:31.47 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Maybe the monitor doesn't support DDC over that type of connection |
| 20:32.01 | furrywolf | the installer assumes defaults rather than asking the user... and then uses _wrong_ defaults... and then you have to set up your xorg.conf manually... which will confuse new users. :) |
| 20:32.09 | furrywolf | Wyzard: of course it doesn't. that's my point. |
| 20:32.17 | alex116 | my kern.log syslog and debug fill up with error messages about "usb-storage:" and make my / partition overflow. anyone have an idea on how to tackle this? |
| 20:32.26 | furrywolf | if autodetection fails, it should ask the user, rather than just sticking 60hz in the conf! |
| 20:32.32 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Like I said, it streamlines the common cases (modern monitors using VGA or DVI connections) at the expense of uncommon ones |
| 20:32.39 | wols_ | cmacis: we are still missing any error message or any message from your boot attempt |
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| 20:32.45 | jayeola | oh yeah. regarding the modules `/sbin/modinfo foo` does not work either. as if modinfo can't find a single module |
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| 20:32.51 | Wyzard | furrywolf: It doesn't do the detection at install time |
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| 20:32.54 | MoDaX | furrywolf: xorg autoconfig has never worked properly. that should change with next release |
| 20:32.58 | rhalff | any suggestions for an english language learning program ? |
| 20:33.05 | furrywolf | Wyzard: hrmm, it used to... |
| 20:33.05 | Wyzard | furrywolf: It's something xorg does when switching to graphics mode |
| 20:33.07 | rhalff | there must be a gpl one |
| 20:33.11 | cmacis | I haven't recieved any error message apart from the one about hda3 being unloaded improperly and it claims to have fixed that |
| 20:33.35 | wols_ | cmacis: what is the last message on screen before it hangs? |
| 20:33.40 | dacs | wols_: when i type gdm i get GDM already running . Aborting! |
| 20:33.55 | wols_ | dacs: gdm isn't run like that |
| 20:34.00 | mutantpineapple | dacs: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 20:34.01 | MoDaX | dacs: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 20:34.07 | wols_ | dacs: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 20:34.16 | wols_ | then dpkg-reconfigure, then restart gdm |
| 20:34.20 | mutantpineapple | or that ;) |
| 20:34.24 | cmacis | I'd have to reboot to look. As I say, it doesn't hang on a message, but on the ghost of whatever was visible before I shutdown |
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| 20:34.56 | wols_ | cmacis: the question is: why is there graphics in the first palce? there should be only text. pure text |
| 20:35.09 | cmacis | Strange indeed |
| 20:35.21 | wols_ | cmacis: what kernel? |
| 20:35.22 | Wyzard | furrywolf: For example, here's the Monitor section from my xorg.conf: |
| 20:35.27 | Wyzard | furrywolf: http://rafb.net/p/PPUQsO66.html |
| 20:35.47 | cmacis | I think I haven't changed the kernel since install unless synaptic has asked me to. |
| 20:35.58 | Wyzard | furrywolf: And here's what xorg says when it starts up: http://rafb.net/p/dBnHOJ98.html |
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| 20:36.18 | furrywolf | Wyzard: the default config file seems to specify the refresh rates, and they seem to override any autodetection. |
| 20:36.22 | wols_ | cmacis: when you boot, the kernell will print LOTS of text. among other things it also prints kernel vresion afaik. so what is it? |
| 20:36.36 | cmacis | I don't know |
| 20:36.46 | furrywolf | you didn't specify any rates, so it's autodetecting... |
| 20:36.59 | Wyzard | xorg takes the intersections of the frequency ranges specified in xorg.conf (if specified) and those reported by the monitor itself (if any) |
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| 20:37.16 | Wyzard | so they're optional unless the monitor can't report its own refresh rates |
| 20:37.33 | furrywolf | yes. but, the default on install had the maximum vertical refresh specified as 60, and a stupidly low horizontal limit... |
| 20:37.37 | wols_ | cmacis: directly after grub (when you pressed enter for example), do you see a lot of text flashing by? |
| 20:37.42 | cmacis | yes |
| 20:37.54 | Wyzard | That's meant as a "safe default", I guess |
| 20:37.57 | wols_ | cmacis: until whne? whne does this stop? |
| 20:38.03 | Wyzard | since old monitors can be damaged by driving them at too high a frequency |
| 20:38.04 | furrywolf | the installer is completely fucking up to put those defaults in, especially as, last I checked, you couldn't change those through any gui configuration tool, causing new users untold problems... |
| 20:38.04 | wols_ | what is on screen just before it stops? |
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| 20:38.27 | wols_ | firedemon: you can when you configure debconf properly |
| 20:38.33 | furrywolf | it's not a problem for me, I just edited xorg.conf and doubled all the numbers. but a new user won't do that. :) |
| 20:38.35 | wols_ | furrywolf: ^^ |
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| 20:38.45 | cmacis | just before it hangs is the image of whatever was on screen before I shutdown. Last time this was the "windows is shutting down" screen. |
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| 20:39.07 | wols_ | cmacis: I want the text BEFORE that image |
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| 20:39.09 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Anyway, xorg configuration has always sucked -- the old installer would make you enter refresh rates during installation, but then if you buy a new monitor, you have to go back and edit xorg.conf or it keeps using the old configuration |
| 20:39.11 | furrywolf | wols_: this is an absolutely stock install. I installed it last night. I didn't select a single odd option, or anything else. the only configuration it asked me during the entire setup proccess was what screen resolutions I wanted to use. |
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| 20:39.20 | Dunnople | hi, hey what's the command to see which version of php I have on my server? dpkg -l phpx? |
| 20:39.26 | Dunnople | I fail to see any inffo with taht |
| 20:39.27 | Dunnople | that |
| 20:39.38 | wols_ | Dunnople: dpkg -l |grep php | gremo apache |
| 20:39.39 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Better configuration is something that's currently being worked on by the xorg developers |
| 20:39.41 | mmlj4 | php -v or php -V (figure it out) |
| 20:39.44 | dacs | errrrrr...why is the mouse running very slow |
| 20:39.45 | cmacis | I can't remember, but I think it got as far as cups |
| 20:39.54 | wols_ | mmlj4: that only works with php-cli installed |
| 20:40.06 | furrywolf | Wyzard: heh, if you want fun xorf confs... try two video cards and 20 input devices, like mine on this box. :) |
| 20:40.10 | MoDaX | Dunnople: phpinfo() |
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| 20:40.14 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 20:40.15 | mmlj4 | ok, so find the command to run and embed that in a page |
| 20:40.20 | wols_ | cmacis: then next time use single user mode |
| 20:40.27 | cmacis | I'll try that again |
| 20:40.30 | Acu | what is the command to remove completely a package? |
| 20:40.32 | N1ckR | phpinfo ? |
| 20:40.38 | MoDaX | Acu: aptitude purge |
| 20:40.38 | dacs | my laptop mouse is very slow and all the acceleration and sensitivity all set to max... |
| 20:40.41 | mmlj4 | that too, N1ckR |
| 20:40.46 | N1ckR | LOL MoDaX beat me 2 it. |
| 20:40.46 | Dunnople | Acu: apt-get remove package? |
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| 20:40.51 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Anyway, the installer tries to pick defaults using autodetection of stuff, but you have an unusual setup where things can't be autodetected |
| 20:40.53 | wols_ | Dunnople: no |
| 20:40.57 | Dunnople | wols_? |
| 20:40.59 | Acu | ModaX: thanx |
| 20:41.04 | Wyzard | furrywolf: so it uses conservative settings as a fallback |
| 20:41.07 | wols_ | Dunnople: your apt-get answer was wrong |
| 20:41.12 | Dunnople | how? |
| 20:41.13 | furrywolf | this seems like something that is going to piss new users off... some people (such as myself) can't stand 60hz refresh rates. defaulting to a limit of 60hz, and making it hard to change, is going to make users unhappy. :) |
| 20:41.21 | wols_ | Dunnople: it doesn't do what the user asked |
| 20:41.29 | Dunnople | remove the package on whole |
| 20:41.29 | Dunnople | ? |
| 20:41.38 | MoDaX | furrywolf: 60hz for lcd is ok |
| 20:41.38 | Wyzard | furrywolf: How many "new users" are using serial mice and breakout video cables? |
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| 20:41.39 | wols_ | yes. it doesn't do that |
| 20:41.44 | furrywolf | it's only a minor annoyance to someone who knows how an xorg.conf works, but of the people I've convinced to use linux, I doubt a single one does. |
| 20:41.53 | cmacis | I'll try again with single user mode. If that works I have irssi installed. |
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| 20:42.08 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Try installing on a typical modern PC and you'll have much better results |
| 20:42.21 | cmacis | furrywolf: One of the first things I learnt on my first linux distro was editing xorg.conf |
| 20:42.35 | dacs | wols_: do you have any suggistion for me please , regarding my laptop mouse running very slow |
| 20:42.43 | wols_ | dacs: no |
| 20:44.01 | gratuit | is there way to start a gtk app in a minimized state? (Already compiled that is, I'll utsl if I need to, but I'm looking for an easier way) |
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| 20:45.07 | furrywolf | I've always had problems with monitors and low refresh rates... I remember when I was sooo happy to get my herculues paper-white monitor way back when, as while the refresh rate wasn't much better than cga, the phosphors were such long persistance you couldn't tell. :) |
| 20:45.31 | furrywolf | (fucking 1-second persistance phosphors. heh.) |
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| 20:45.38 | Wyzard | wow |
| 20:45.58 | furrywolf | in a dark room, you could use a flashlight to draw on the screen, and it'd stay glowing for a good 3 seconds. :) |
| 20:46.05 | MoDaX | gratuit: you will have more luck in gtk or gnome channel |
| 20:46.11 | jayeola | hey guys. i understand why lsmod shows nothing. i did not format the /boot partition at install time. can i use /sbin/fdisk to rectify this? |
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| 20:46.39 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Well, as MoDaX mentioned, 60Hz isn't an problem on an LCD... but in general it's best to rely on the monitor to report its own preferred refresh rate |
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| 20:46.48 | NatNiet | furrywolf: Ha. my baby duck sindrome is a amber tube ... i still set my ssh in thies colors |
| 20:47.00 | jayeola | or even the lenny installer cd to do some mojo on the /boot partition? |
| 20:47.02 | nvz | gratuit: if I wanted to do it, it would be irrelevant of the toolkit, I'd match the window with my wm and tell it to display minimized |
| 20:47.17 | MoDaX | jayeola: why are you using lenny installer? |
| 20:47.25 | jayeola | installer cd |
| 20:47.30 | MoDaX | jayeola: that one might be very broken |
| 20:47.30 | dacs | !ttys0 |
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| 20:47.49 | MoDaX | jayeola:install with etch installer and upgrade to lenny |
| 20:48.03 | dacs | !gpmdata |
| 20:48.04 | dpkg | from memory, gpmdata is see gpm |
| 20:48.09 | jayeola | uh, the "netinstall image" also it was my fault. i did not format the boot partition :/ |
| 20:48.14 | Studiosus | what is typical usage of mkudffs? |
| 20:48.14 | dacs | !gpm |
| 20:48.14 | dpkg | [gpm] if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 20:48.36 | furrywolf | funky. somehow X got installed without a single terminal emulator. /me apt-get install's xterm |
| 20:48.40 | jayeola | so you guys say install stable and upgrade to testing, huh? hrm... |
| 20:48.43 | ice63 | jayeola: were do you get the lenny installer cd ? |
| 20:48.45 | MoDaX | jayeola: if you didn't, how debian booted at all? |
| 20:48.55 | jayeola | me wonders too |
| 20:49.07 | ice63 | lol |
| 20:49.12 | jayeola | got the cd from debian.org |
| 20:49.25 | dacs | !seen peterS |
| 20:49.25 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian, last said: 'shows how much I know about telecom'. |
| 20:49.25 | Jerom817 | Saw peterS Joining #debian on Sun Jun 10 04:20:57 2007 |
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| 20:49.42 | MoDaX | jayeola: you don't need /boot partition, /boot might be under / partition perfectly fine |
| 20:49.42 | thrall | anyone here with any experience with JBOSS? |
| 20:49.52 | dacs | peterS: can you help me with gpmdata |
| 20:49.58 | NatNiet | Hi, I'm playing with iptstate and I see some applications set a TTL of 120 minuts, can this be a reason that sometimes multie homed host stops forwarding ? |
| 20:50.17 | jayeola | MoDaX: so what do i do? dont want to reinstall as i actually want to fix this |
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| 20:51.27 | MoDaX | jayeola: any other problems apart empty lsmod? |
| 20:51.49 | jayeola | um, yeah, /boot/grub/menu.lst is a mess :)) |
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| 20:52.02 | jayeola | loads of cred left over from the last install |
| 20:52.09 | jayeola | s,cred,crud |
| 20:52.18 | MoDaX | jayeola: run update-grub |
| 20:52.35 | MoDaX | jayeola: X starts and works? |
| 20:52.53 | wols_ | jayeola: and install a kernel. you want a -686 or similar kernel anyways |
| 20:53.09 | jayeola | X is looking cool with fluxbox |
| 20:53.42 | XtypeWriter74 | hi. i am trying to open .swf files with MC directing to vlc player,,, i edited the Video line in /etc/mc/mc.ext with :: regex/\.([sS][wW][fF])$ / Include=video,,, but the file(s) will not open up in vlc, does anybody have an idea what i am missing ? |
| 20:53.44 | jayeola | http://rafb.net/p/vBAzfl39.html << `df -h` |
| 20:54.32 | thrall | jayeola: hah, I consider fluxbox to be one of the uglier wm's ^^ but to each his own I guess... |
| 20:54.41 | MoDaX | jayeola: clean up /boot from obsolete config-* vmlinuz-* from previous install and run update-brub |
| 20:54.41 | furrywolf | icewm is nice. |
| 20:54.58 | jayeola | heh -*- mode: flame -*- |
| 20:55.04 | MoDaX | err, update-grub |
| 20:55.10 | jayeola | yah done that |
| 20:55.23 | MoDaX | jayeola: uname -r |
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| 20:55.40 | jayeola | 2.6.21.4 |
| 20:55.54 | jayeola | i guess a one line flood is ok? |
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| 20:55.58 | MoDaX | jayeola: it's not lenny kernel! |
| 20:56.09 | jayeola | fsck! |
| 20:56.26 | jayeola | so how the hell did it boot :? |
| 20:56.31 | MoDaX | jayeola: so no surprise lsmod is empty |
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| 20:56.43 | MoDaX | everything is compiled in probably |
| 20:57.12 | jayeola | hrm. most confusing. |
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| 20:57.35 | MoDaX | jayeola: install linux-image-686 |
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| 20:58.08 | jayeola | done |
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| 20:58.43 | MoDaX | jayeola: and boot with 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 20:58.48 | jayeola | apt-get -y install linux-image-686 && update-grub |
| 20:58.52 | jayeola | k. brb |
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| 20:59.03 | jayeola | and thanks for your time /tips |
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| 20:59.21 | MoDaX | np |
| 20:59.33 | dacs | when i set X to use gpmdata . X will not start and gives me errors |
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| 20:59.53 | furrywolf | any guesses on how well a wireless adapter (ugh, something else to make linux talk to!) will work over a distance of about 100ft and 6 walls? should I get a cheapo omnidirectional antenna, or directional one and aim it? |
| 21:00.59 | dacs | furrywolf: what are you trying to do |
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| 21:00.59 | MoDaX | dacs: http://paste.debian.net/30133 |
| 21:00.59 | tabris|away | furrywolf: it's well within the specs for distance, but it depends on the kind of wall, and what is inside the wall. |
| 21:01.02 | Alarm | hello, i got a strange key action. when i press the delete button on windows, or inside directories the dialog box appears to delete that file. when i do that on files on my desktop. nothing happens at all. nor i get the prompt to delete the file or something, like the key wouldnt work (on debian etch kde) |
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| 21:01.15 | furrywolf | dacs: set a computer up in my garage |
| 21:01.35 | furrywolf | tabris|away: the walls are standard wood construction, except for one, which (depending on where I put the computer) contains sheet metal. |
| 21:01.45 | MoDaX | furrywolf: maybe 802.11n will work. I doubt g will |
| 21:01.55 | furrywolf | all I have is g stuff, and I have no money. |
| 21:02.03 | furrywolf | actually, mostly I have 'b' stuff. |
| 21:02.06 | tabris|away | furrywolf: at this point I'd recommend wired, or wired + relay |
| 21:02.24 | dacs | furrywolf: my f***cking GOD this is the same thing i want to do |
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| 21:02.32 | Alarm | seems that i am the first reporting such a bug |
| 21:02.35 | Alarm | :) or problem :) |
| 21:02.37 | furrywolf | wired would involve trenching the yard, which ain't happening. solid clay and rock. |
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| 21:03.04 | MoDaX | furrywolf: 100ft = ? m |
| 21:03.12 | dacs | furrywolf: i wanted to control the grage door from my house pc |
| 21:03.12 | tabris|away | MoDaX: ~33 |
| 21:03.24 | furrywolf | it took me four days to dig a 15ft trench last time I tried, and I had to use an air hammer. |
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| 21:03.29 | me_here_ | lazy ass you |
| 21:03.31 | me_here_ | lol |
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| 21:03.33 | tabris|away | furrywolf: depending on how creative you're willing to get, try wireless relay over the yard, or a mesh network of multiple APs |
| 21:03.37 | furrywolf | MoDaX: about 30m |
| 21:03.39 | daeos | is there a Compaq iPaq debian distro yet? or not even developed yet? |
| 21:03.43 | MoDaX | furrywolf: maybe with very sensitive antenna then |
| 21:03.56 | MoDaX | daeos: what do you mean? |
| 21:03.56 | furrywolf | tabris|away: those cost lots of money. what about a $9.99 directional antenna? :) |
| 21:04.10 | tabris|away | furrywolf: the main reason i'm saying this is the sheet metal. |
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| 21:04.27 | dacs | me_here_: :) |
| 21:04.38 | furrywolf | it depends on where I put the computer... of the two locations I'm thinking of, one would involve aiming through the metal-sides of one of the buildings, the other wouldn't. |
| 21:04.53 | jayeola | ^_^ all i have to do now is clean up the mess that i made. thanks chaps ^_^ |
| 21:05.18 | jayeola | lsmod and the kernel is now fine and dandy. everything's cools now |
| 21:05.30 | MoDaX | jayeola: great |
| 21:05.30 | Acu | why the image-linux is keep on showing it needs update even I did it before ? |
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| 21:06.02 | jayeola | nowi can go upstairs, lie in bed and hack away wirelessly |
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| 21:07.16 | furrywolf | speaking of wireless... someone gave me a belkin pci wireless card... what's the chances of it working on linux without me needing to kill anyone or use non-free drivers? :) |
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| 21:07.36 | cluck | hi |
| 21:07.36 | MoDaX | furrywolf: chipset? |
| 21:07.47 | furrywolf | MoDaX: no clue. it's out in the garage, I'd need to go get it. |
| 21:07.47 | cmacis | furrywolf: does anything work without the need for homicide? :) |
| 21:07.52 | tabris|away | furrywolf: madwifi might have a chance. I'm using one for a wireless AP |
| 21:07.59 | furrywolf | cmacis: from my expierence with wireless... no. |
| 21:08.15 | tabris|away | furrywolf: madwifi isn't completely free, but it works just fine with module-assistant. |
| 21:08.27 | MoDaX | furrywolf: it's going to change with the new linux wireless stack |
| 21:08.31 | MoDaX | in .22 |
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| 21:08.42 | MoDaX | and up when more drivers are developed |
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| 21:08.50 | furrywolf | hrmm, is .22 out yet? |
| 21:09.00 | jayeola | and oh yeah, who was it that said that flluxbox is ugly? put 'em up! |
| 21:09.01 | cilkay | Hello. Given a file, foo, how can I tell which package installed it? |
| 21:09.02 | MoDaX | furrywolf: no |
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| 21:09.15 | MoDaX | cilkay: dpkg -S file |
| 21:09.19 | cluck | has anyone had trouble with wmii in lenny? |
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| 21:09.55 | furrywolf | I might just string an ethernet cord across the lawn until then, as of the three times I've tried setting up wireless, only one worked... |
| 21:10.04 | techbee | cilkay:man apt-file |
| 21:10.10 | dacs | MoDaX: i hae to input dev in my Xorg.conf : /dev/gpmdata ....and Synaptic Touchpad .. i really think i should use the touchpad |
| 21:10.10 | cilkay | MoDaX: I thought so after reading the man page and tried it on a file which I'm sure is owned by some package but got no results. |
| 21:10.18 | furrywolf | I never got wireless working on my other laptop. supported chipset, would find the AP, but never actually transmit or receive any data. |
| 21:10.26 | cilkay | e.g. dpkg -S /etc/passwd returned dpkg: /etc/passwd- not found |
| 21:10.33 | MoDaX | cilkay: dpkg -S passwd |
| 21:10.43 | cilkay | oh, so not the full path |
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| 21:11.02 | cilkay | quite useless |
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| 21:11.17 | furrywolf | very disappointing spending two weeks and still not having wireless working. |
| 21:11.25 | cilkay | That returns every package that owns a file called "passwd", not the package that owns that specific file. |
| 21:11.35 | cilkay | I guess I can filter it via grep. |
| 21:12.11 | tabris|away | cilkay: |tabriel:~# dpkg -S passwd|grep "/etc/" |
| 21:12.11 | tabris|away | cilkay: |passwd: /etc/pam.d/passwd |
| 21:12.12 | tabris|away | cilkay: |exim4-config: /etc/exim4/passwd.client |
| 21:12.12 | techbee | cilkay:dpkg -L will work |
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| 21:12.49 | cilkay | techbee: that presumes you know the name of the package to query. I'm interested in finding the package that owns a particular file. |
| 21:14.00 | techbee | cilkay : dpkg -l |
| 21:14.18 | furrywolf | how do you make grub remember which kernel you used the last time you booted, and default to it the next time? |
| 21:14.23 | techbee | techbee: give |
| 21:14.43 | furrywolf | savedefault doesn't seem to do a bloody thing. |
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| 21:14.53 | techbee | techbee: dpkg -l the full path of file |
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| 21:16.42 | daeos | MoDaX: a debian version for a Compaq iPaq handheld |
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| 21:18.25 | MoDaX | daeos: have you tried etch? |
| 21:18.49 | tuv | how can i read the cpu temperature of a core 2 duo cpu? running a 2.6.21 debian kernel |
| 21:19.09 | cilkay | dpkg -S plpgsql.so finds no packages that match so I suspect this was left over from a previously removed PG 7.4 package. |
| 21:19.09 | dpkg | Dingos ate my plpgsql.so finds no packages that match so I suspect this was left over from a previously removed PG 7.4 package.! |
| 21:19.28 | MoDaX | tuv: sensors or cat /proc/acpi/thermal<tab> etc. |
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| 21:19.59 | MoDaX | :)) |
| 21:20.16 | tuv | MoDaX, there is nothing in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ for core 2 cpus |
| 21:20.31 | MoDaX | tuv: then `sensors` |
| 21:20.45 | furrywolf | bbl, taking a break from arguing with computers and playing with a chainsaw instead. |
| 21:20.45 | tuv | MoDaX, i heard there is a kernel module called coretemp, but i can't find it in debian's kernel |
| 21:21.42 | MoDaX | tuv: no luck with `sensors`? |
| 21:22.23 | furrywolf | I've only gotten "sensors" to work on one computer of all the ones I've tried it on... |
| 21:22.30 | N1ckR | I have installed debian into a sata drive, but it/i installed the bootloader onto my hda, how can I get it to boot off my sata drive (I have a /boot partition) |
| 21:22.35 | furrywolf | it seems to not support most chips. |
| 21:23.17 | MoDaX | N1ckR: grub-install --recheck /dev/sda |
| 21:24.36 | tuv | MoDaX, Warning: the required module coretemp is not currently installed on your system. For status of 2.6 kernel ports check http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Devices. If driver is built into the kernel, or unavailable, comment out the following line. |
| 21:25.12 | MoDaX | tuv: coretemp is in 2.6.22 |
| 21:25.42 | MoDaX | that's not released yet |
| 21:25.57 | N1ckR | /dev/sda has no corresponding bios drive. hmm |
| 21:26.05 | daeos | MoDaX: etch works with a pda? |
| 21:26.07 | elZip | what seems to be the problem with ATI drivers and xorg, ETCH x86_64? |
| 21:26.28 | MoDaX | elZip: be more specific |
| 21:26.40 | MoDaX | daeos: it might |
| 21:26.48 | elZip | the fglrx module isnt compatible |
| 21:26.49 | MoDaX | I don't know |
| 21:27.16 | MoDaX | !fglrx one-liner |
| 21:27.16 | dpkg | well, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
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| 21:27.37 | tuv | MoDaX, sensors detected a number of devices and now i can see fan speeds, voltages and board temp |
| 21:28.25 | MoDaX | tuv: great, but isn't cpu temp one of them? |
| 21:29.08 | tuv | MoDaX, probably an external cpu sensor. c2d cpus have per-core sensors that are read by the coretemp module |
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| 21:29.29 | MoDaX | tuv: yeah, wait for 2.6.22 |
| 21:29.31 | tuv | MoDaX, highest temp. i can see is 55 |
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| 21:30.26 | tuv | MoDaX, isn't coretemp available as an external module.. something like those managed by module-assistant? |
| 21:31.03 | N1ckR | OK, i have made progress, but now im getting a grub error 21 selected disc does not exist... |
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| 21:31.50 | MoDaX | tuv: I don't think so (it used to be though) |
| 21:32.48 | MoDaX | N1ckR: is that driver really sda? |
| 21:32.52 | MoDaX | drive* |
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| 21:34.31 | N1ckR | yup, its my only sata drive |
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| 21:34.41 | N1ckR | the other is hda |
| 21:34.57 | MoDaX | N1ckR: some IDE compat mode or something like that in bios |
| 21:35.01 | omri | is there a command line tool to generate a random password? |
| 21:35.10 | omri | a-zA-Z0-9 |
| 21:35.33 | MoDaX | omri: apg, pwgen |
| 21:35.42 | omri | thanks. will check. |
| 21:35.47 | N1ckR | hm. I did have another distro on sda booting fine :| |
| 21:36.18 | MoDaX | N1ckR: is /boot partition on sata drive? |
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| 21:37.34 | N1ckR | MoDax, yup. I created a new /boot when I installed debian on my sda |
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| 21:38.47 | MoDaX | N1ckR: cat /boot/grub/device.map |
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| 21:40.17 | Flakk | Hi people, I have a problem with USB memory stick. when i plug it in, my debian box does not mount it automatically. Any help? |
| 21:40.22 | dacs_ | can someone please take a look at http://pastebin.ca/557142 and tell me whats wrong |
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| 21:41.05 | MoDaX | Flakk: gnome/kde? |
| 21:41.07 | N1ckR | (hd0) /dev/hda |
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| 21:41.19 | N1ckR | (hd1) /dev/hdd |
| 21:41.32 | N1ckR | (hd2) /dev/sda |
| 21:41.35 | Tagor | Hi |
| 21:41.41 | Tagor | Can someone tell me what's wrong with line 6 in this shell script: |
| 21:41.44 | Tagor | http://rafb.net/p/Js4VUb91.html |
| 21:41.45 | Flakk | MoDax gnome |
| 21:41.52 | path | dacs you dont have mouse on your xorg ? |
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| 21:42.14 | MoDaX | Flakk: is gnome-volume-manager installed? |
| 21:42.56 | dacs_ | path: how can i set it up, i ran the reconfiguer xserver-xorg |
| 21:43.02 | cluck | anyone using wmii? |
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| 21:43.14 | Flakk | MoDax I do not know. how could i check this? |
| 21:44.01 | path | dacs_ try changing the "Device" value on your xorg.conf |
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| 21:45.37 | spheard | ?whats the command for smp builds "somthing CONCURRENCY="3"; make"?? |
| 21:45.37 | elZip | Tagor: protocol try ImPs/2 |
| 21:45.38 | MoDaX | Flakk: dpkg -l gnome-volume-manager |
| 21:45.39 | Tagor | elZip >> Sorry I do not understand, what's ImPs/2? |
| 21:45.39 | Tagor | I get the error: command not found |
| 21:45.40 | elZip | Tagor: sorry i didnt see your using a touchpad :) |
| 21:45.40 | dacs_ | path: but why there is two input device inputs |
| 21:45.40 | MoDaX | N1ckR: tried without --recheck? |
| 21:46.11 | Tagor | Touchpad, elZip?? |
| 21:46.12 | Flakk | MoDaX: hmmm here is the answer if only i could understand properly :) Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 21:46.38 | MoDaX | Flakk: was it 'ii' ? |
| 21:46.38 | Flakk | apparently NOT installed |
| 21:46.38 | N1ckR | MoDaX, I went into grub and ran the setup from there |
| 21:46.42 | path | dacs thats right there's no problem there |
| 21:46.48 | N1ckR | and still same error :| |
| 21:46.54 | MoDaX | N1ckR: huh? use grub-install |
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| 21:47.04 | elZip | Tagor: is it a mouse problem?? |
| 21:47.12 | path | but try with this -> Option "Device" /dev/input/mice |
| 21:47.16 | Tagor | Huh, mouse? |
| 21:47.18 | path | let me paste my xorg |
| 21:47.22 | Tagor | What the hell are you talking about? :P |
| 21:47.27 | dacs_ | path: ok |
| 21:47.28 | MoDaX | Flakk: aptitude install gnome-volume-manager |
| 21:47.30 | Tagor | But never mind my problem with that code is fixed |
| 21:47.32 | Flakk | MoDaX : here is the totality of the answer | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 21:47.33 | Flakk | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 21:47.33 | Flakk | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 21:47.33 | Flakk | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
| 21:47.33 | Flakk | ii gnome-volume-m 1.5.15-1 GNOME daemon to auto-mount and manage media |
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| 21:47.44 | MoDaX | installed |
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| 21:47.53 | MoDaX | installed |
| 21:48.04 | Flakk | oh ! ok |
| 21:48.16 | path | dacs http://pastebin.ca/557169 there you have :) |
| 21:48.35 | MoDaX | !info gnome-volume-manager etch |
| 21:48.38 | dpkg | gnome-volume-manager: (GNOME daemon to auto-mount and manage media devices), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.5.15-1+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 353 kB, Installed size: 1888 kB |
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| 21:49.02 | Flakk | MoDaX so do you say it is installed? |
| 21:49.22 | elZip | Tagor: this post is talking about your mouse yeah/no? http://pastebin.ca/557142 |
| 21:49.24 | N1ckR | MoDaX, I have rerun grub-install /dev/sda and now get a grub hard disk error before grub even loads :| |
| 21:49.58 | MoDaX | Flakk: yes, but I'm not using gnome. probably auto-mounting is disabled |
| 21:50.09 | MoDaX | Flakk: run lshal --monitor |
| 21:50.14 | Tagor | elZip >> That's not my post |
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| 21:50.21 | MoDaX | Flakk: and plug your usb disk |
| 21:50.27 | MoDaX | Flakk: any activity? |
| 21:50.34 | Flakk | MoDaX 1 sec |
| 21:50.40 | elZip | srry :) |
| 21:51.03 | MoDaX | N1ckR: with --recheck? |
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| 21:51.28 | MoDaX | N1ckR: with and without? |
| 21:51.29 | dacs_ | path: should i replace mine with the one you posted |
| 21:51.40 | Flakk | MoDax: yes, it says USB device added several times |
| 21:52.07 | MoDaX | Flakk: ok, then search gnome preferences to enable automounting |
| 21:52.18 | Flakk | MoDaX Oh OK ))) |
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| 21:53.54 | Flakk | MoDax hmmm the option "mount removable media when inserted" is already enabled |
| 21:54.24 | path | dacs_ yep :) |
| 21:54.30 | N1ckR | MoDaX... if I set my bios to boot off hda i get the grub menu and can run my sda debian install |
| 21:54.30 | MoDaX | Flakk: ls -l /media (with usb stick plugged) |
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| 21:55.32 | XtypeWriter74 | hi... now i think i have made some progress, i edited /etc/mc/mc.ext in the Video line with: regex/\.([sS][wW][fF])$ |
| 21:55.32 | XtypeWriter74 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.32 | XtypeWriter74 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.32 | XtypeWriter74 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:55.52 | Flakk | MoDaX there is "cdrom" then "cdrom0" and another folder which I created manually namely usbdisk |
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| 21:56.00 | N1ckR | MoDaX, ah bugger I was mistaken. |
| 21:56.01 | XtypeWriter74 | sorry |
| 21:56.10 | jdude1284 | Hi - when I try to run dmraid to bring up my raid sets on intel ich, i |
| 21:56.10 | jdude1284 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.10 | jdude1284 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.10 | jdude1284 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.10 | jdude1284 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:56.21 | Flakk | MoDaX however in the usbdisk there is nothing |
| 21:56.30 | nvz | heh.. the floods this hour are ridiculous |
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| 21:56.41 | MoDaX | Flakk: dpkg -l pmount | grep ii |
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| 21:56.46 | jdude1284 | heh sorry about that. |
| 21:56.54 | dacs_ | how can i terminate .swp files |
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| 21:57.05 | MoDaX | dacs_: rm them |
| 21:57.08 | XtypeWriter74 | srry bout that didnt realize that it would be more than " one " sentence |
| 21:57.20 | Flakk | MoDaX ii pmount 0.9.11-1 mount removable devices as normal user |
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| 21:57.35 | nvz | Listen people, the eggdrop bot doesn't accept apologies.. it will kick you again just the same, do NOT paste in here, us a pastebin |
| 21:57.52 | techbe1 | Flakk:can you check preference->session->Startup Program entry |
| 21:57.57 | XtypeWriter74 | :) |
| 21:58.03 | N1ckR | MoDaX, same error using recheck as well. |
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| 21:58.22 | fasta | How can I know whether a 3.5" floppy I have can actually still store data? |
| 21:58.32 | XtypeWriter74 | <nvz> any help on my issue? |
| 21:59.01 | MoDaX | N1ckR: search bios for ide compat (not emulation) or something |
| 21:59.08 | nvz | XtypeWriter74: i have no idea what your issue is. your paste was talking about shockwave which isnt supported in linux as far as I know |
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| 21:59.37 | Flakk | techbel : yes i see there the following: update nootifier THEN gnome volume manager sm-disable THEN nm-applet sm disable |
| 21:59.41 | XtypeWriter74 | its about swf files |
| 22:01.00 | spheard | how should I be building packages in debian? there is a kernel config mantra, is there one for GNU? |
| 22:01.23 | jdude1284 | Hi - when I try to run dmraid to bring up my raid sets on intel ich, i get the error message "raid45 not in kernel" -- I think dmraid is looking for the wrong module, because my kernel (which i just built) has raid456=y in its config. I think the module is called "raid456.ko" and not "raid45.ko" |
| 22:01.25 | dacs_ | MoDaX: where can i find the .file for xorg.conf. i can't see it in /etc/X11/ |
| 22:01.36 | nvz | fasta: try formatting it, or putting data on it.. I don't know of any utilities in debian to check integrity of floppies |
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| 22:01.39 | MoDaX | dacs_: etch? |
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| 22:01.45 | N1ckR | MoDaX -its a crappy dell bios, no such option. |
| 22:01.46 | XtypeWriter74 | <nvz>i am trying to open .swf files through midnight commander with vlc player |
| 22:01.54 | dacs_ | MoDaX: yes |
| 22:02.08 | MoDaX | dacs_: have you deleted it? |
| 22:02.23 | dacs_ | MoDaX: i can't find it to delete it |
| 22:02.30 | MoDaX | it must be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:02.38 | dacs_ | hmmmm |
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| 22:02.59 | itchi | spheard: See /msg dpkg mg |
| 22:03.07 | techbe1 | Flakk: u need to disable gnome-volume-manager entry |
| 22:03.24 | nvz | XtypeWriter74: your method of addressing people isnt recognized widely by most clients as you are prefixing the name with < and like I said before, as far as I know Shockwave isnt supported on linux so I have no idea |
| 22:03.26 | fasta | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.26 | Flakk | techbel i will do. BUT WHY?? |
| 22:03.27 | fasta | /dev/fd0: No such device or address |
| 22:03.41 | gotgenes | Is there a way to create a .deb from Python source that is packaged with distutils? |
| 22:03.46 | n3kl | Is there an old english/gothic font that someone knows of? |
| 22:03.47 | MoDaX | N1ckR: grub-install hd2 ? |
| 22:03.51 | fasta | nvz: I am fairly sure there is such a device, how do I tell Linux about it? |
| 22:04.03 | itchi | gotgenes: See also /msg dpkg mg |
| 22:04.26 | MoDaX | fasta: modprobe floppy |
| 22:04.47 | nvz | fasta: um usually when you get a no such device error it doesnt nessicarily mean the device doesnt exist it just means that its not connected to anything.. you generally have to load a driver |
| 22:05.20 | fasta | MoDaX: thanks |
| 22:06.08 | techbe1 | Flakk:to make automount enable |
| 22:06.17 | XtypeWriter74 | !swf |
| 22:06.17 | dpkg | methinks swf is a shockwave format file for web stuff - it's copyrighted and requires director or similar to create multimedia shockwave files .. alternatively you can create them with PHP's SWF functionality - see http://reality.sgi.com/grafica/flash/ for details on libswf |
| 22:07.00 | pyenos | !larry |
| 22:07.19 | pyenos | !swf |
| 22:07.19 | dpkg | i heard swf is a shockwave format file for web stuff - it's copyrighted and requires director or similar to create multimedia shockwave files .. alternatively you can create them with PHP's SWF functionality - see http://reality.sgi.com/grafica/flash/ for details on libswf |
| 22:08.04 | nvz | pyenos: don't abuse the bots |
| 22:08.27 | fasta | nvz: Ok, I loaded the driver, but the formatting command I showed earlier still says the same. |
| 22:08.55 | fasta | ls /dev/fd/ |
| 22:08.56 | fasta | 0 1 2 3 |
| 22:08.58 | nvz | fasta: then the driver has not claimed any devices or you are using the wrong device |
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| 22:09.19 | nvz | fasta: usually a driver shows output about devices when it loads, see dmesg |
| 22:09.21 | Alarm | hello, i got a strange key action. when i press the delete button on windows, or inside directories the dialog box appears to delete that file. when i do that on files on my desktop. nothing happens at all. nor i get the prompt to delete the file or something, like the key wouldnt work (on debian etch kde) |
| 22:09.25 | N1ckR | MoDaX - still no luck. |
| 22:09.28 | fasta | nvz: floppy 53668 0 |
| 22:09.47 | nvz | fasta: that means nothing to me out of context |
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| 22:10.03 | fasta | nvz: from dmesg end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 |
| 22:10.05 | MoDaX | N1ckR: no idea then |
| 22:10.16 | N1ckR | Hmmm |
| 22:10.24 | nvz | fasta: sounds to me like there is something wrong with the floppy drive |
| 22:10.25 | fasta | nvz: The previous was lsmod|grep flop |
| 22:10.46 | Flakk | MoDaX techbel I disabled the gnome-volume-manager and rebooted, but the result is the same the usb memory stick does not mount |
| 22:10.49 | fasta | nvz: I think there's something wrong with the floppy, if there's something wrong at all. |
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| 22:11.12 | XtypeWriter74 | <nvz> anybody know i set vlc player as video player in /etc/mc/mc.ext ( midnight commander ) |
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| 22:11.21 | N1ckR | I can boot to grub with hda and select my sda install fine |
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| 22:12.26 | nvz | fasta: I dont know, I havent used a floppy in like 12 years or more.. but I would think the drive would be accessable reguardless if there was even a floppy in it or not |
| 22:12.34 | vchrizz | hiho |
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| 22:12.41 | fasta | nvz: ok, it appears that having your machine rotated 90 degrees doesn't work. |
| 22:12.52 | fasta | nvz: in normal position it does more |
| 22:13.04 | nvz | fasta: heh. floppies and cdroms both operate sideways |
| 22:13.06 | techbe1 | Flakk: cat /proc/partitions |
| 22:13.22 | nvz | well most cdroms anyhow.. the ones that have catches for sideways mounting |
| 22:13.56 | fasta | nvz: not this one |
| 22:14.05 | vchrizz | where do i report "bugs" in german translation of any debian packages? since im working on testing i noticed some misspelling and typos .. |
| 22:14.09 | fasta | nvz: the dvd's work in this machine on the side, though |
| 22:14.21 | MoDaX | vchrizz: bts |
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| 22:14.25 | Flakk | techbel: what do you want me to cite from its answer? there is for example sda and sda1 |
| 22:14.28 | vchrizz | !bts |
| 22:14.28 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 22:14.36 | vchrizz | MoDaX: thx |
| 22:14.51 | nvz | oh well then you got faulty equipment floppy drives should work reguardless of which direction they are turned.. cdroms on the other hand only work in two directions on one particular side and right side up |
| 22:15.05 | daeos | abrotman: hey man, i asked earlier in here about debian working on an ipaq pda, have you any knowledge if debain does work on one? i've been looking for a way to install linux on my ipaq and i've found 2 projects that are specifically for the ipaq but was wondering if debian works also on it or not. |
| 22:15.06 | techbe1 | Flakk: is there any entry like sdb |
| 22:15.15 | Flakk | techbel: nope |
| 22:15.21 | xjkx | I have a pakcage named " MPlayer-Plugin" on ubuntu's source list of apt-get, what do debian have on its apt-get to make firefox play videos? |
| 22:15.23 | techbe1 | Flakk: can you paste the o/p |
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| 22:15.46 | fasta | nvz: Good, that I know to use the CLI. |
| 22:15.51 | fasta | nvz: Gnome f*cked up |
| 22:16.03 | fasta | nvz: it claimed it couldn't mount it. |
| 22:16.04 | vchrizz | why does dpkg still mention apt-get? i thought everyone should use aptitude instead of apt-get?!? |
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| 22:16.12 | fasta | nvz: it does work. Thanks |
| 22:16.14 | MoDaX | xjkx: mozilla-mplayer |
| 22:16.16 | Flakk | techbel: actually my problems started today. before everything was OK but i installed today the drivers for WiFi and changed somthing via udev, maybe there is the clue |
| 22:16.24 | Flakk | the output is as follows |
| 22:16.49 | x_link | vchrizz: Why should everone use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 22:16.55 | x_link | Not that much difference. |
| 22:17.10 | x_link | aptitude is a bit "smarter" and better with dependencies. |
| 22:17.13 | x_link | Off to bed. |
| 22:17.17 | x_link | Good night! |
| 22:17.22 | vchrizz | x_link: dont know exactly, i often got told to use aptitude instead of apt-get ... so im doing that ;) |
| 22:17.22 | Flakk | techbel I will paste it in #flood, ok? |
| 22:17.27 | spheard | http://rafb.net/p/MJXhiE44.html - can anyone shed any light on why I cant get php5 installed? |
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| 22:18.18 | Flakk | techbel or in private if you prefer but not here I will be kocked |
| 22:19.29 | vchrizz | !debain |
| 22:19.29 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 22:19.33 | vchrizz | heh |
| 22:20.00 | techbe1 | dpkg paster |
| 22:20.01 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 22:21.10 | spheard | join /apt |
| 22:21.22 | Flakk | techbel : http://paste.debian.net/30142 |
| 22:22.08 | vchrizz | dpkg backup |
| 22:22.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest ... |
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| 22:23.49 | davidL | Wyzard: ping |
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| 22:24.16 | vchrizz | hum, what is the preferred way of backing up the whole system? i always did a dd image from my disk, but since that image somehow screwed up and i cant use it anymore, i would like to know what the safest way is? |
| 22:24.53 | techbe1 | Flakk: try to manually mount /dev/sda partition using "mount /dev/sda" |
| 22:25.18 | techbe1 | Flakk: mount /dev/sda dirname |
| 22:25.21 | Flakk | techbel well I certainly can mount my USB like this i did it already |
| 22:25.35 | vchrizz | !backup |
| 22:25.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
| 22:25.44 | vchrizz | hu |
| 22:25.49 | techbe1 | Flakk: can you paste fstab entry |
| 22:26.01 | Flakk | techbel sure just a moment |
| 22:26.13 | MoDaX | Flakk: have you modified fstab? |
| 22:26.31 | Flakk | MoDaX no |
| 22:26.55 | MoDaX | Flakk: automounting will not work if there is a corresponding fstab entry |
| 22:27.00 | techbe1 | Flakk: you need to modified it to make auto mount |
| 22:27.12 | Alarm | hello, i would need some audacious 1.2.x support please. when trying to add some mp3 on my list, for some mp3 i get the dialog box error message "Unable to play file" , when i open those files with another player, they play without any problem at all. i changed the output from OSS to Alsa , but still have the same problem . also installed the plugins for audacious but nothing seems to change. anyone knows what could that be ? |
| 22:27.17 | N1ckR | Fixed it. Turns out my sda is hd0 according to grub, but when i am booted up its hd2 ?!?!?!?!?!? |
| 22:27.24 | Flakk | techbel: here it is http://paste.debian.net/30144 |
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| 22:27.53 | N1ckR | i think when i changed boot drives, things got reorded. |
| 22:28.06 | MoDaX | Flakk: looks good |
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| 22:28.09 | dacs_ | MoDaX: it was .xorg.conf.swp and not just xorg.conf.swp |
| 22:28.12 | judaz | buenas |
| 22:28.20 | judaz | Hey!, I need help, could someone help? |
| 22:28.22 | Flakk | techbel the strange thing is that everything worked until today and I never modified my fstab on this machine. this is a laptop and i am afraid to do these things here |
| 22:28.33 | MoDaX | dacs_: .xorg.conf.swp is vim swap file |
| 22:28.47 | dacs_ | MoDaX: yes sir |
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| 22:29.00 | MoDaX | Flakk: ok, so what did you do to break things? :) |
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| 22:29.01 | davidL | is one of the drives in a three-drive RAID 5 array created using mdadm supposed to be marked as a spare? |
| 22:29.21 | dacs_ | brb |
| 22:29.54 | Flakk | MoDaX today i installed the gnome-network-manager followinmg the recipys of azeem. this wokerd fine. This is the only point which I can suspect |
| 22:30.11 | war | davidL: one is used for parity |
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| 22:30.17 | war | davi: and will rebuilding until itw done |
| 22:30.21 | war | davi: cat /proc/md |
| 22:30.23 | war | davi: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 22:30.38 | davidL | war: Yes, but is that a "spare"? |
| 22:30.49 | techbe1 | Flakk: how did you install it ? |
| 22:30.56 | N1ckR | MoDaX, thanks for you help. gtg |
| 22:31.01 | war | david-work: until it is rebuilt its marked as a spare |
| 22:31.01 | war | yes |
| 22:31.16 | Flakk | techbel: well just wajig install ... |
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| 22:32.21 | MoDaX | Flakk: run `id`. post output |
| 22:32.38 | davidL | war: according to /proc/mdstat nothing is happening to the array, yet one of the drives is marked as spare |
| 22:33.10 | war | davidL: then you did not create the array correctly |
| 22:33.15 | war | davidL: what command did you use? |
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| 22:33.23 | Flakk | MoDaX http://paste.debian.net/30145 |
| 22:33.39 | davidL | war: I used the correct command but when I did it, it said that an array had already been created with the three drives. |
| 22:33.52 | MoDaX | Flakk: umount usb stick |
| 22:33.52 | Flakk | techbel: btw the gnome-volume manager is again enabled although I disabled it |
| 22:33.59 | Flakk | done |
| 22:34.00 | davidL | war: I guess I want to destroy the original array but I don't know how to do that. |
| 22:34.04 | MoDaX | Flakk: does pmount /dev/sda1 work? |
| 22:34.28 | Flakk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.28 | Flakk | Error: device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 22:34.40 | war | davidL: can you show me the command you used? |
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| 22:34.50 | MoDaX | Flakk: what is your usb stick device? |
| 22:35.01 | MoDaX | sdb? |
| 22:35.13 | Flakk | oh |
| 22:35.21 | Flakk | i do not know I mounted it as sda1 |
| 22:35.24 | Flakk | manually |
| 22:35.27 | davidL | war: mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level 5 --raid-devices 3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 |
| 22:35.45 | MoDaX | Flakk: hmm |
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| 22:36.08 | MoDaX | Flakk: why /dev/sda1 doesn't exist then? |
| 22:36.19 | war | davidL: looks correct |
| 22:36.31 | Flakk | i unplugged it |
| 22:36.49 | war | davidL: show me what mdadm -D /dev/md1 looks like |
| 22:36.49 | MoDaX | Flakk: I meant unmount only |
| 22:36.50 | MoDaX | Flakk: plug again |
| 22:36.56 | war | davidL: rafb.net/paste |
| 22:36.57 | Flakk | done |
| 22:37.01 | Flakk | then> |
| 22:37.03 | Flakk | ? |
| 22:37.03 | MoDaX | and pmount /dev/sda1 |
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| 22:37.29 | MoDaX | Flakk: worked? |
| 22:37.33 | Flakk | MoDaX yes it works |
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| 22:37.56 | MalibuStacy | hi, can someone please tell me how to start a program as daemon or execute it in the background automatically? |
| 22:38.16 | techbe1 | MoDax:i m not getting wat was the problem |
| 22:38.25 | Flakk | MoDaX thanks alread for the tip with "pmount" i did not know about it! |
| 22:38.28 | davidL | war: I'm at a terminal without X and a browser. But I can tell you that it says the third device is removed and that one device is a spare and the state is clean,degraged. |
| 22:38.40 | Flakk | but why does not the darn thing mount itself? |
| 22:38.42 | war | davidL: so you have a raid5 with 2 active disks and one spare? |
| 22:38.51 | davidL | war: Yeah. |
| 22:38.53 | MoDaX | Flakk: pmount is the thing that gnome-volume-manager should execute atomatically |
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| 22:39.05 | Flakk | MoDaX that s what i think |
| 22:39.13 | war | davidL: what does it say for Total Devices? |
| 22:39.14 | Flakk | at least it DID |
| 22:39.20 | Flakk | yesterday |
| 22:39.23 | war | # mdadm -D /dev/md3 |grep Total\ Devices -> Total Devices : 10 |
| 22:39.33 | davidL | war: 3 total devices |
| 22:39.52 | war | david-work: what version of mdadm/etc? I _do_ recall remembering a bug similaar to this |
| 22:39.55 | war | davidL: very strange |
| 22:40.08 | war | davidL: what if you remove the spare |
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| 22:40.12 | war | davidL: and re-add to the array |
| 22:40.18 | war | davidL: whuch drive is the spare? |
| 22:40.30 | davidL | war: well when I created the array it said that an array already existed with those drives |
| 22:40.52 | war | yeah but it says do you want to continue? |
| 22:40.53 | davidL | war: I thought I had gotten rid of the old array but I guess I was wrong |
| 22:40.55 | war | and that shoudl be fine |
| 22:40.56 | war | but |
| 22:41.01 | war | if you didn tstop it first then it wont do it |
| 22:41.02 | gotgenes | MalibuStacy: you can start a process in the background by putting an & at the end of the command, but if you close the shell, the process will stop |
| 22:41.05 | war | davidL: to fix, do this |
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| 22:41.12 | war | davidL: umount /your_old_raid |
| 22:41.13 | MoDaX | Flakk: sec |
| 22:41.17 | war | davidL: mdadm -S /dev/md1 |
| 22:41.22 | MalibuStacy | gotgenes: how can i keep it running? |
| 22:41.49 | MalibuStacy | also i want to supress its output |
| 22:41.55 | war | davidL: mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdb1 |
| 22:41.56 | davidL | war: ok, the array is stopped |
| 22:41.57 | war | davidL: mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdc1 |
| 22:41.58 | war | davidL: mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdd1 |
| 22:42.08 | war | davidL: let me know if that works |
| 22:42.14 | MoDaX | Flakk: ps aux| grep volume |
| 22:42.14 | MalibuStacy | and i wanna start it upon server reboot |
| 22:42.18 | davidL | war: is that how you destroy an array? |
| 22:42.20 | war | davidL: BTW this will blow out your array |
| 22:42.23 | war | davidL: one way yup |
| 22:42.29 | techbe1 | MoDaX:thanks , also i did not know about pmount |
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| 22:42.40 | Flakk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.40 | Flakk | a 6742 0.0 0.4 17392 4816 ? Ss 07:13 0:00 gnome-volume-manager --sm-client-id default4 |
| 22:42.40 | Flakk | a 8870 0.0 0.0 2848 692 pts/10 R+ 07:47 0:00 grep volume |
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| 22:42.57 | war | davidL: success? |
| 22:42.59 | j^tramiel | aloa ladies |
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| 22:43.10 | Wyzard | davidL: pong |
| 22:43.21 | j^tramiel | they killed lenny :( |
| 22:43.21 | davidL | war: yeah that worked |
| 22:43.24 | furrywolf | sigh... what makes ls hang using 100% cpu? :) |
| 22:43.25 | Wyzard | davidL: No, one of the drives should not be marked as a spare |
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| 22:43.38 | war | davidL: are these drives on sata ports on PCI-e ? |
| 22:43.43 | Wyzard | md0 : active raid5 sda2[0] sdc2[2] sdb2[1] |
| 22:43.43 | Wyzard | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.46 | Wyzard | davidL: ^^^ |
| 22:43.47 | war | davidL: there's some optimizations you can do before you create the array btw ;) |
| 22:43.48 | davidL | war: sata ports |
| 22:43.59 | furrywolf | an ls -lR has decided to stop in the middle, using 99.7% cpu. |
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| 22:44.02 | gotgenes | MalibuStacy: have a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 22:44.03 | war | Wyzard: nobody beats the speed ig get for my array :) |
| 22:44.13 | war | md3 : active raid5 sdl1[2] sdk1[3] sdj1[0] sdi1[1] sdh1[6] sdg1[5] sdf1[4] sde1[7] sdd1[8] sdc1[9] |
| 22:44.16 | MalibuStacy | haven't got access to this |
| 22:44.26 | MalibuStacy | how can i keep it running even if i close the shell? |
| 22:44.27 | Wyzard | war: nice |
| 22:44.28 | davidL | wow |
| 22:44.31 | davidL | huge |
| 22:44.35 | war | 622MB/s read 434MB/s write |
| 22:44.43 | war | davidL; use 128kb chunk size |
| 22:44.44 | j^tramiel | cached... |
| 22:44.45 | Wyzard | war: I'm surprised writing is so fast, though |
| 22:44.47 | war | j^tramiel: nope |
| 22:44.49 | war | j^tramiel: sequential |
| 22:44.51 | j^tramiel | of course |
| 22:44.52 | j^tramiel | rofl |
| 22:44.53 | j^tramiel | oke |
| 22:44.53 | war | over 100GB write/read |
| 22:44.56 | j^tramiel | sata crap hw? |
| 22:44.58 | war | nope |
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| 22:44.59 | war | 10 raptors |
| 22:45.02 | j^tramiel | aha |
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| 22:45.12 | j^tramiel | 02:0e.0 RAID bus controller: Dell PowerEdge Expandable RAID controller 4 (rev 06) |
| 22:45.16 | j^tramiel | 03:0b.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1030 PCI-X Fusion-MPT Dual Ultra320 SCSI (rev 07) |
| 22:45.23 | war | davidL: imo I would use 0.90 md superblocks |
| 22:45.26 | war | davidL: and 128kb cache |
| 22:45.28 | Wyzard | war: raid5 is slow for writing -- writing to any given block on an n-disk array actually means writing to 2 disks and reading from n-2 disks |
| 22:45.33 | war | j^tramiel: not bad what do you get for this cmd |
| 22:45.45 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.47 | war | 107374182400 bytes (107 GB) copied, 247.134 seconds, 434 MB/s |
| 22:45.50 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.51 | war | 107374182400 bytes (107 GB) copied, 172.588 seconds, 622 MB/s |
| 22:45.55 | j^tramiel | ehh |
| 22:45.59 | j^tramiel | do some flushs before |
| 22:45.59 | war | Wyzard: thats slow? :) |
| 22:46.05 | gotgenes | MalibuStacy: http://tinyurl.com/367vzh |
| 22:46.12 | Wyzard | war: slower than writing to one drive, yes |
| 22:46.20 | war | Wyzard: one drive only writes at 75-85MB/s |
| 22:46.22 | Wyzard | davidL: What exactly does your /proc/mdstat say? |
| 22:46.27 | j^tramiel | softraid...*hrrch* |
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| 22:46.33 | j^tramiel | war sata raptors? |
| 22:46.35 | j^tramiel | or scsi |
| 22:46.38 | Wyzard | war: which is why I'm surprised that at your raid5 writing numbers |
| 22:46.41 | war | WD 150 ADFD raptors |
| 22:46.50 | furrywolf | odd... ls is hanging, but there's no sign of a disk problem... other programs can access the drive, there's no errors in dmesg, and it ctrl-c's instantly, unlike if it were waiting for io... |
| 22:47.03 | j^tramiel | oh lemme check whats hooked up to those damn controllers |
| 22:47.09 | Wyzard | furrywolf: Is it stuck in /proc trying to read something infinite or whatever? |
| 22:47.14 | j^tramiel | lil bit older pe 2850 |
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| 22:47.31 | Flakk | MoDaX I did it see above |
| 22:47.41 | war | I was thinking 15,000rpm cheetahs SAS but they are $1,000 usd each |
| 22:47.43 | war | that'd be expensive |
| 22:47.47 | furrywolf | Wyzard: I'm doing an ls -lR on a relative's fat32-formatted windoze drive to see if there's anything worth keeping before I mkfs.ext3 it. :) |
| 22:47.48 | war | ~500mb/s is fast enough |
| 22:47.58 | apt | okay, war |
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| 22:48.02 | Wyzard | furrywolf: ah, dunno then, unless maybe the filesystem is corrupted |
| 22:48.05 | furrywolf | so no /proc for it to get stuck in, and no infinite links or anything else. |
| 22:48.14 | furrywolf | could be. I'll just mkfs it and not care. :) |
| 22:48.17 | war | davidL: there? |
| 22:48.19 | j^tramiel | war there are a couple of 15k u320 drives hooked up on those controllers |
| 22:48.20 | j^tramiel | raid0 |
| 22:48.23 | war | nice |
| 22:48.27 | j^tramiel | buffer-space for backup |
| 22:48.30 | war | when I had raid0 I was getting 760-850MB/s |
| 22:48.37 | war | (for testing only0 |
| 22:48.40 | j^tramiel | dont tell me seq access |
| 22:48.43 | j^tramiel | or cached |
| 22:48.45 | j^tramiel | ... |
| 22:48.50 | war | re-write was 620MB/s raid0 |
| 22:48.55 | MoDaX | Flakk: fire up gconf editor |
| 22:49.01 | war | bonnie++ |
| 22:49.06 | j^tramiel | yep, and without caching etc, 100mb/sec |
| 22:49.07 | j^tramiel | perhaps 120 |
| 22:49.18 | Flakk | MoDaX: what? sorry i got nothing |
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| 22:49.23 | j^tramiel | cant do benchs atm... backup is running |
| 22:49.30 | davidL | war: mdadm --create /dev/md0 -l 5 -n 3 -e 0.90 -c 128 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 |
| 22:49.37 | war | davidL: perfect |
| 22:49.41 | furrywolf | a find on the drive lists all the files with no problem... only ls has a problem. |
| 22:49.50 | davidL | war: will try thanks ;) |
| 22:50.05 | MoDaX | Flakk: err, no. try running gnome-volume-properties /dev/sda1 |
| 22:50.06 | war | davidL: mdadm by default will use a 1.0 which includes a bitmap (this helps repair your raid when your system crashes) but it incurs a 10-15% performance penalty |
| 22:50.19 | war | davidL: at least I believe it includes a bitmap by default |
| 22:50.27 | j^tramiel | mh smells a lil bit like gentoo here |
| 22:50.30 | j^tramiel | byebye |
| 22:50.30 | Wyzard | war: No, the write-intent bitmap is optional, and not used by default |
| 22:50.41 | war | Wyzard: ahh |
| 22:50.44 | war | well 1 problem with that |
| 22:50.46 | spheard | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=78085#78085 - anyone got any ideas? |
| 22:50.49 | war | mdadm > 0.90 does not work with LILO |
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| 22:50.51 | fasta | What program enables me to somewhat easily describe what files to write to a cdrw and then actually does the writing? (for backup purposes) |
| 22:50.53 | davidL | the manpage said it used 0.90 by default |
| 22:50.54 | war | I already spoke w/lilo developer |
| 22:50.59 | Wyzard | davidL: Don't listen to war, use the current default superblock format |
| 22:51.00 | fasta | I want to use it to backup my homedir |
| 22:51.02 | war | if you use the 1.0 bitmaps it cannot boot your system |
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| 22:51.05 | furrywolf | fasta: k3b seems prefered by many people. |
| 22:51.09 | Wyzard | war: That's fine, just don't put /boot on the array |
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| 22:51.14 | war | or that |
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| 22:51.25 | davidL | -e 1.0 then? |
| 22:51.26 | war | but that defetas the purpose of raid1 |
| 22:51.28 | Flakk | MoDaX well this gives the one which you advised already the "removable drives and medias preferences and there everything is check in as it should be |
| 22:51.32 | Wyzard | davidL: Omit -e entirely |
| 22:51.36 | war | davidL: up to you, I still use 0.90 |
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| 22:51.53 | davidL | manpage says 0.90 is default |
| 22:52.02 | Wyzard | war: not really... I have 3 disks and I just made a tiny 50MB partition at the beginning of each |
| 22:52.03 | war | davidL: then you should be good, w/128k chunk size |
| 22:52.10 | karmatronic | there s not one good C ide in unix ? |
| 22:52.12 | fasta | furrywolf: that's not practical for backups |
| 22:52.13 | war | Wyzard: that hurts when you add 10-12 more disks |
| 22:52.15 | Wyzard | war: one of which is /boot and the other two are unused... 100MB off a 1.5TB array is no big deal |
| 22:52.22 | fasta | furrywolf: using the GUI takes _way_ too mych time. |
| 22:52.25 | karmatronic | kdevelop,anjuta suck |
| 22:52.26 | war | Wyzard: raptor is only 139gb formatted |
| 22:52.31 | fasta | furrywolf: It's what I doing now, and it sucks. |
| 22:52.38 | furrywolf | fasta: so then just use cdrecord directly? |
| 22:52.48 | xingu | Wyzard: fyi: after a bit of playing about I've found something interesting; for notebook synaptics-touchpad-only config, current xorg /forces/ a default mouse device to be created with default device name /dev/input/mice; problem being, it then resets the synaptics device's scaling during init. |
| 22:52.50 | fasta | furrywolf: (for this purpose ) |
| 22:52.59 | furrywolf | and how large can a home directory be? :P |
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| 22:53.08 | MoDaX | Flakk: install and/or run gconf-editor |
| 22:53.22 | war | Wyzard: your drives on PCI-e btw? what model(s) do you use? |
| 22:53.26 | fasta | furrywolf: it looks like mine is larger than a CD. |
| 22:53.37 | xingu | Wyzard: fricking it by defining a dummy mouse aimed somewhere that doesn't exist results in a three-liner synaptics input declaration that works pretty well the way you'd want, resolution/ speed and all. |
| 22:53.43 | fasta | furrywolf: so, pretty large. |
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| 22:53.54 | Wyzard | davidL: I'm surprised 0.90 is the default, but whatever... I'd just stick with the default unless you have a concrete reason to do otherwise |
| 22:54.28 | xingu | Wyzard: thought that might interest you anyway... |
| 22:54.30 | XtypeWriter74 | any midnight commander users around that can help me set vlc player as video player ? here is my /etc/mc/mc.etx ---> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/11610/ |
| 22:54.38 | Wyzard | war: Three Seagate ST3750640AS (750GB), on AHCI (Intel ICH8, specifically) |
| 22:54.39 | tacit | how do i reinstall a file from a package? I've identified the package name with dpkg-query. |
| 22:54.46 | war | Wyzard: very nice |
| 22:54.53 | Wyzard | xingu: yeah, that's kinda weird |
| 22:54.53 | war | Wyzard: same AHCI on ICH8R |
| 22:55.00 | war | Wyzard: and then pci-e for the others |
| 22:55.00 | MoDaX | tacit: aptitude reinstall package |
| 22:55.15 | war | Wyzard: what kind of rebuild speed with the 750s? |
| 22:55.17 | Wyzard | war: The ICH8's SATA controller *is* PCIe, btw |
| 22:55.21 | xingu | Wyzard: clue is "no default mouse found, adding one" in Xorg.log |
| 22:55.21 | war | Wyzard: I know |
| 22:55.23 | Flakk | MoDaX it is installed i am running it, but do not know what to do with it ) |
| 22:55.29 | war | Wyzard: 965 chipset is very nice |
| 22:55.34 | peterS | dacs: did you get your gpmdata thing figured out? |
| 22:55.43 | xingu | Wyzard: and it definitely fubars the touchpad's idea of scaling/ resolution during "mouse" device init later. |
| 22:55.53 | MoDaX | Flakk: killall gnome-volume-manager |
| 22:56.07 | xingu | Wyzard: guessing you've maybe never hit this because maybe you have a usb mouse too? |
| 22:56.07 | MoDaX | Flakk: then go to /desktop/gnome/ in gconf-editor |
| 22:56.19 | MoDaX | Flakk: and delete whole volume-manager key |
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| 22:56.57 | Wyzard | xingu: I have a stanza for a USB mouse in the config, though I don't usually use one |
| 22:56.59 | davidL | war: the array doesn't start building after I create it, it still lists one drive as a spare |
| 22:57.05 | xingu | Wyzard: that's enough... |
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| 22:57.12 | Wyzard | war: I don't remember offhand how long it takes to resync, sorry |
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| 22:57.32 | Wyzard | war: It's been too long since I built the array, and I no longer have my syslog from last Sunday when it did its integrity check |
| 22:57.45 | MoDaX | Flakk: done? |
| 22:57.47 | Flakk | MoDaX are you sure about it?? |
| 22:57.49 | davidL | the harddrives are spinning loudly though |
| 22:57.51 | Flakk | not yet |
| 22:58.05 | MoDaX | Flakk: yes, I am |
| 22:58.05 | tacit | MoDaX: reinstalled util-linux, thx |
| 22:58.33 | MoDaX | Flakk: this way we will reset to defaults |
| 22:58.36 | xingu | Wyzard: oh, and for driver synaptics - if protocol auto-dev is used and evdev is present - it'll /override/ your setting for device anyway, and go find the right /dev/input/eventX device |
| 22:58.45 | Flakk | MoDaX err i do not know how to delete it --- trying |
| 22:58.56 | xingu | Wyzard: again just fyi, thought that quirk might interest too |
| 22:59.00 | MoDaX | Flakk: maybe right click |
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| 22:59.04 | MoDaX | or 'delete' |
| 22:59.04 | Wyzard | xingu: interesting... I've been meaning to look into evdev but wasn't sure how it would interact with the synaptics driver |
| 22:59.07 | xingu | Wyzard: here, I've actually omitted the device altogether |
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| 22:59.34 | war | Wyzard: ah |
| 22:59.35 | davidL | Wyzard: how can I make an array start building? |
| 22:59.38 | war | davidL: :(( |
| 22:59.53 | war | davidL: cat /proc/mdstat shows no KB/s? |
| 23:00.08 | Flakk | MoDaX err no it does not waqnt to do this |
| 23:00.12 | davidL | war: nope |
| 23:00.31 | davidL | war: is there another way to destroy an array? |
| 23:00.40 | Wyzard | davidL: It should start automatically when you create it |
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| 23:00.53 | war | davidL: stop the array, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M count=10 |
| 23:00.59 | war | for each disk |
| 23:01.03 | war | but it shouldn't be necessary |
| 23:01.04 | Wyzard | war: There's a --zero-superblock option for that |
| 23:01.10 | war | Wyzard: he already tried that |
| 23:01.14 | davidL | yeah |
| 23:01.15 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 23:01.17 | Wyzard | sorry |
| 23:01.30 | Flakk | MoDaX why do you want to removeit? i do not succeed anyway I can only disable the "automounting " option if ncessary |
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| 23:01.38 | tacit | we still have degaussers for military data |
| 23:01.39 | davidL | I don't understand why my drives are still spinning though. |
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| 23:02.07 | MoDaX | Flakk: I want to reset volume manager settings to defaults |
| 23:02.45 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 23:02.52 | XtypeWriter74 | any midnight commander users around that can help me set vlc player as video player ? here is my /etc/mc/mc.etx ---> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/11610/ |
| 23:03.08 | tacit | thanks all |
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| 23:03.33 | war | davidL: ill be on tomorrow let me know if uhave any luck with that but as Wyzard said it should auto-start |
| 23:03.36 | war | bbl |
| 23:04.10 | davidL | thanks for all the help war |
| 23:04.13 | Flakk | MoDaX I do not succeed sorry |
| 23:04.14 | MoDaX | Flakk: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset "/desktop/gnome/volume_manager" |
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| 23:04.44 | Flakk | done |
| 23:04.56 | Wyzard | davidL: You might try using --force |
| 23:04.57 | MoDaX | Flakk: is it gone in gconf-editor now? |
| 23:05.46 | Wyzard | davidL: Ordinarily, the way mdadm creates a raid5 array is by creating a degraded array (with one drive "missing", i.e. a spare) and then building that drive into the array as if it had been added separately |
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| 23:06.10 | Wyzard | davidL: since that's faster than a full rebuild -- only involves writing to one drive, instead of writing to various parts of all of them |
| 23:06.25 | Flakk | MoDaX no everything is as it was. Well I guess it is fine for the moment. In any case I have this pmount which is a reasonable solution. I can exist with it for a while. |
| 23:06.25 | davidL | Wyzard: but parity is still stored on all the drives correct? |
| 23:06.26 | Wyzard | davidL: so it's normal for you to see one of the drives as a "spare", but it should immediately begin resyncing |
| 23:07.00 | Wyzard | davidL: Well, it's a newly-created array so all the contents are basically garbage anyway |
| 23:07.43 | Wyzard | davidL: but rather than going through the array and making all the parity data consistent with the user data, it pretends the parity on all but one of the drives is already correct, and then rebuilds the last drive using that parity |
| 23:08.04 | ortega10 | a few days ago, when booting debian it gave me an emergency console only (not even recovery mode)... i ran a fsck, it fixed several ext3 errors, and booted normally... yesterday i had a problem with synaptic ("no access to root\.synaptic\selections.update" or something like that), so i rebooted again... and this time it won't even give me any console, it freezes, and when i choose recovery mode, it says "ext3-fs hda3: orphan cleanup on r |
| 23:08.09 | davidL | Wyzard: ah I understand |
| 23:08.31 | Wyzard | davidL: If you use "--force", it'll do the former rather than the latter -- it'll take longer to synchronize, since it has to write parity on all disks rather than just rebuilding one, but it might solve your problem |
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| 23:08.47 | MoDaX | Flakk: run gnome-volume-manager |
| 23:08.52 | MoDaX | Flakk: maybe it will work now |
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| 23:09.21 | Flakk | when i say gnome-volume-manager it just says nothing |
| 23:09.25 | Wyzard | davidL: I'm surprised if it didn't start synchronizing when you created it though... /proc/mdstat didn't show a progress display or anything? |
| 23:09.54 | MoDaX | Flakk: that's fine. try replugin usb stick |
| 23:09.55 | davidL | Wyzard: No it didn't. |
| 23:10.00 | Wyzard | weird |
| 23:10.02 | Flakk | MoDaX i did. the same problem |
| 23:10.06 | Wyzard | Any messages in syslog? |
| 23:10.21 | MoDaX | Flakk: dunno, I'm not gnome expert |
| 23:10.46 | Flakk | MoDaX what environment d u wok in? |
| 23:10.54 | MoDaX | kde |
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| 23:11.04 | Flakk | oh I see |
| 23:11.22 | davidL | Wyzard: it says "raid level 5 set md0 active with 2 out of 3 devices, algorithm 2" |
| 23:12.10 | Flakk | MoDaX but maybe there is a KDE volume manager or smth? |
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| 23:12.20 | dafen | how to check glibc version ? |
| 23:12.31 | MoDaX | dafen: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 23:12.41 | Wyzard | davidL: No other syslog messages, maybe errors about being unable to start rebuilding? |
| 23:12.46 | dafen | ok thanx |
| 23:12.49 | MoDaX | Flakk: you have to be running kde to use it |
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| 23:13.24 | Flakk | i see well never mind I am happy for the moment with pmount |
| 23:13.27 | Fetrovsky | how do I install beryl? |
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| 23:13.43 | bueno | hellO |
| 23:13.45 | davidL | Wyzard: Nope. |
| 23:13.53 | bueno | i've installed etch to my notebook |
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| 23:14.03 | Flakk | MoDaX thanks! because it is a cure of the problem otherwise i could get stuck |
| 23:14.05 | bueno | ....anybody knows if Esetroot is still in the sources? |
| 23:14.07 | Wyzard | davidL: no idea why it would do that, then... but try using --force and see if that helps |
| 23:14.10 | bueno | i couldn't get it with apt |
| 23:14.32 | mrfan | 'night |
| 23:14.37 | bueno | .... |
| 23:14.44 | bueno | i need help -.- |
| 23:15.00 | davidL | Wyzard: I will try --force. Say I do get the array working, when I reinstall the OS, will the array appear to be /dev/md0 from the start? |
| 23:15.01 | MoDaX | bueno: eterm |
| 23:15.30 | ortega10 | when i boot debian, it says "ext3-fs hda3: orphan cleanup on readonly |
| 23:15.30 | ortega10 | fs", and doesn't even let me enter recovery mode... what should i do? (btw, i had some ext3 trouble a few days ago) |
| 23:15.33 | fasta | furrywolf: I am not sure what a "track" is. Nor is it documented in the cdrecord manual |
| 23:15.37 | XtypeWriter74 | !tor |
| 23:15.37 | dpkg | somebody said tor was a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
| 23:15.43 | Wyzard | davidL: Actually, if you're installing Debian on it, you can just create the array from the installer |
| 23:15.57 | fasta | furrywolf: I think it's an iso file, but I don't know. |
| 23:16.03 | bueno | MoDaX: i have eterm |
| 23:16.14 | davidL | Wyzard: I don't want to install the OS on the array itself. |
| 23:16.27 | MoDaX | bueno: so you have Esetroot |
| 23:16.32 | bueno | oh |
| 23:16.36 | bueno | ^^ lol |
| 23:16.36 | bueno | thx |
| 23:17.07 | Wyzard | davidL: You don't have to; you can have the array be mounted as /home or whatever, and put the rest of the system somewhere else |
| 23:17.58 | davidL | Wyzard: So I don't need to do anything with mdadm on a fresh install to get an already created array mounted? |
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| 23:18.21 | Wyzard | davidL: no, the installer should take care of whatever's necessary |
| 23:18.39 | davidL | Wyzard: Ah, that makes it easy. Thanks again. |
| 23:19.01 | XtypeWriter74 | any midnight commander users around that can help me set vlc player as video player ? here is my /etc/mc/mc.etx ---> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/11610/ when i for example open a .swf file i get this message Error: no "view" mailcap rules found for type "application/x-shockwave-flash" but vlc alone opens such files |
| 23:19.02 | Wyzard | davidL: If you pre-create the array like you're doing now, then when at the partitioning step in the installer, just choose "configure software RAID" and just exit the RAID setup without creating any arrays -- that'll get it to notice the existing one so you can choose where to mount it |
| 23:19.22 | Wyzard | davidL: or, just use the installer to create the array, and then (in the same way) choose where to mount it |
| 23:20.13 | davidL | makes sense |
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| 23:20.53 | bueno | anyone has a ATI card? |
| 23:21.08 | bueno | i've problems with installint the driver from the ati homepage... |
| 23:21.15 | Wyzard | davidL: If it's a large array, consider using LVM to divide up the space so you're not stuck with one giant filesystem |
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| 23:21.23 | bueno | i downloaded the driver.... (its a *.run file) and i runned it |
| 23:21.43 | bueno | its finished...but whenn i want to restart x server.... it shows me a black screen |
| 23:21.57 | Wyzard | davidL: (Even if you *want* one giant filesystem, LVM gives you the flexibility to change your mind later) |
| 23:23.21 | ortega10 | fs", and doesn't even let me enter recovery mode... what should i do? (btw, i had some ext3 trouble a few days ago ) |
| 23:23.41 | ortega10 | when i boot debian, it says "ext3-fs hda3: orphan cleanup on readonly fs", and doesn't even let me enter recovery mode... what should i do? (btw, i had some ext3 trouble a few days ago) |
| 23:23.42 | davidL | Wyzard: I would have to create the LVM before I create the array correct? I can not place an already existing array into a new volume group? |
| 23:24.25 | Wyzard | davidL: No, you'd create it afterward... create the array first, set it to be used as a "physical volume for LVM", then go to configure LVM and make a volume group consisting of that one PV |
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| 23:25.53 | davidL | Wyzard: ahhh yes, LVM is at the filesystem level |
| 23:26.33 | davidL | Wyzard: then I would mount each individual logical volume |
| 23:26.34 | Wyzard | davidL: Sort of... it's an additional block layer that sits between a real block device (a partition or RAID array) and a filesystem |
| 23:26.38 | Wyzard | davidL: exactly |
| 23:26.59 | davidL | Wyzard: and this does not slow down the array? |
| 23:27.02 | Wyzard | davidL: btw, I came across this a few days ago: http://www.am-utils.org/project-raif.html |
| 23:27.10 | Wyzard | davidL: dunno if I'd actually use it, but it seems like an interesting idea |
| 23:27.19 | Wyzard | davidL: The performance impact of LVM should be negligible |
| 23:27.49 | bueno | ...why do i get a blackscreen when i want to start x server (i have installed ati driver...) |
| 23:27.58 | Wyzard | davidL: Unless you do a lot of resizing and rearranging of LVs so that they get fragmented and are no longer remotely contiguous on disk |
| 23:28.26 | Wyzard | davidL: but in the common case where the LV is just a single big contiguous region, or maybe one or two fragments, it should be negligible |
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| 23:29.00 | XtypeWriter74 | hello. can somebody please help me set vlc player as video player in midnightcommander ? here is my /etc/mc/mc.ext ---> http://sial.org/pbot/25471 when i for example open a .swf file i get this message Error: no "view" mailcap rules found for type "application/x-shockwave-flash" but vlc alone opens such files |
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| 23:33.41 | johan | hey room |
| 23:34.29 | davidL | Wyzard: Odd, I attempted to create the array again, and again it wouldn't start building so I tried formatting it with ext3 and then it said "recovery of RAID array md0" and then it began building. |
| 23:34.50 | Wyzard | hmm, odd |
| 23:35.04 | davidL | Wyzard: actually, it's not building, it's recovering |
| 23:35.25 | Wyzard | yeah, that's because of the trick I described earlier |
| 23:35.41 | Wyzard | creating a degraded array and then "recovering" it by syncing in the remaining disk |
| 23:35.59 | ortega10 | when i boot debian, it says "ext3-fs hda3: orphan cleanup on readonly fs", and doesn't even let me enter recovery mode... what should i do? (btw, i had some ext3 trouble a few days ago ) |
| 23:36.13 | davidL | Wyzard: degraded means the array is out of sync? |
| 23:36.33 | Wyzard | degraded means one disk is missing from the array, so it's relying on parity |
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| 23:37.23 | Wyzard | Like I said earlier, it's faster to create a degraded array and then sync the remaining disk from the parity data, than to create a full array and generate all the parity |
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| 23:37.53 | davidL | Wyzard: Ah, I see. Well, I'll just let this run. Thanks again for the help. |
| 23:37.54 | Wyzard | You see a progress bar in /proc/mdstat now, right? |
| 23:38.05 | Wyzard | When that's done, your array will no longer be degraded |
| 23:38.08 | davidL | Wyzard: yeah, recovery x.x% |
| 23:38.26 | Wyzard | oh, btw, one item of potential confusion |
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| 23:38.39 | Wyzard | there's a cronjob that does an integrity check on your arrays on the first Sunday of each month |
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| 23:38.47 | Wyzard | checking that the parity data is consistent with the "real" data |
| 23:38.57 | Wyzard | While it's running, /proc/mdstat will show that progress bar, saying "resync" |
| 23:39.19 | Wyzard | so if you see that on the first Sunday of a month, be aware that it probably doesn't mean something broke and is being recovered; it's just a routine check :-) |
| 23:39.52 | davidL | Wyzard: Hopefully I'll be able to get the array up so I can witness this event ;) |
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| 23:41.21 | unlink | what does it mean when i get the error E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?, but i can wget manually the packages it printed a 404 for? |
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| 23:41.39 | daeos | im trying to play with lx/lsdoom and lxdoom runs fine but i get an error with lsdoom, a floating point error and i/o error. in console & in x |
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| 23:46.35 | g00se | Just run mke2fs on partition and it's still showing as ntfs in cfdisk - why so? |
| 23:46.57 | Wyzard | g00se: The partition type codes in fdisk have absolutely nothing to do with the actual contents of the partition |
| 23:47.08 | Wyzard | g00se: it's just a byte stored in the partition table |
| 23:47.25 | g00se | Ah OK. Just changed it manually |
| 23:49.17 | ortega10 | when i boot debian, it says "ext3-fs hda3: orphan cleanup on readonly fs", and doesn't even let me enter recovery mode... what should i do? (btw, i had some ext3 trouble a few days ago) |
| 23:49.17 | g00se | Thanks yet again Wyzard |
| 23:49.17 | Wyzard | np |
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| 23:51.09 | bueno | i'm gonna get crazy with this fucking ATI drivers... |
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| 23:53.25 | Master_Medic | hey |
| 23:53.28 | Master_Medic | i'm installing debian |
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| 23:53.36 | Master_Medic | but its having trouble identifying my network card |
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| 23:53.49 | Master_Medic | i'm installing on a laptop and the network card is in the pcmcia slot |
| 23:54.00 | Master_Medic | its a dynex dx-e201 card |
| 23:54.13 | Master_Medic | how can i find out what driver i need to select from the list? |
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| 23:56.33 | assasukasse | hi everyone |
| 23:56.38 | assasukasse | is there anyone using vnc/ssh |
| 23:56.53 | assasukasse | i need to know how can i stop vnc from asking me password (since i am already using ssh) |
| 23:57.28 | Wyzard | Master_Medic: Google turns up http://www.mepis.org/node/12228 which looks like someone else having the same problem |
| 23:58.10 | Wyzard | Master_Medic: It looks like there's a driver available for this network card, but it's not one that's part of the standard kernel |
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| 23:59.12 | Wyzard | It'd be better to get a different network card, one that's a bit less esoteric |
| 23:59.34 | Wyzard | (You can get a 3c59x-based card pretty cheap... I got one for $15 on ebay a few years ago) |
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