| 00:00.03 | daeos | omg abrotman is here! |
| 00:00.03 | DeFender1031 | abrotman, i can work with either |
| 00:00.15 | abrotman | DeFender1031: which are you trying to use? |
| 00:00.17 | juancgt | stew: how do i install it? |
| 00:00.17 | abrotman | daeos: hi |
| 00:00.21 | stew | juancgt: aptitude install xorg |
| 00:00.22 | DeFender1031 | i was on 1.3 |
| 00:00.24 | nyk2005 | stew: it wanted to remove the current kernel image and I refused to continue. so some dependency thing is broken now.. |
| 00:00.24 | jelly-home | nn_: read /usr/share/doc/udftools/README.Debian.gz |
| 00:00.29 | stew | nyk2005: show us the output of " apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 initrd-tools " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 00:00.34 | DeFender1031 | i removed it and upgraded to 2 to see if that was the problem |
| 00:00.49 | abrotman | DeFender1031: is libapache-mod-php4 or libapache-mod-php5 installed ? |
| 00:00.50 | juancgt | stew: just that one xorg? |
| 00:00.55 | stew | juancgt: yes |
| 00:00.56 | DeFender1031 | abrotman, yes |
| 00:00.59 | DeFender1031 | still nothing |
| 00:01.05 | abrotman | DeFender1031: and the AddType line is there? |
| 00:01.11 | DeFender1031 | what line? |
| 00:01.11 | margiolas | hello apt development homepage? |
| 00:01.18 | nn_ | jelly-home: yes, I guess I better do that before I say another word :) |
| 00:01.34 | abrotman | margiolas: packages.debian.org/apt .. look in the copyright file at the bottom IIRC |
| 00:01.37 | nyk2005 | stew: http://pastebin.ca/560043 |
| 00:01.43 | abrotman | erm .. pick stable .. then scroll down |
| 00:01.57 | juancgt | stew: it said that a bunch of stuff was uneeded (like gcc) and that its gonna get removed |
| 00:02.07 | DeFender1031 | abrotman, what line? |
| 00:02.14 | stew | nyk2005: you are running sarge, but your sources.list is pointing to etch. you should change your sources.list to point to sarge or upgrade to etch (/msg dpkg sarge->etch) |
| 00:02.24 | abrotman | DeFender1031: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 |
| 00:02.28 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 00:02.30 | stew | juancgt: ok |
| 00:02.41 | abrotman | DeFender1031: also .. make sure you clear your browser cache and restart the browser |
| 00:02.52 | juancgt | stew: should i go ahead? |
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| 00:03.17 | stew | juancgt: yes, if you think you need somethign that is being removed add it io the install line, "aptitude install xorg gcc" for instance |
| 00:03.33 | nyk2005 | stew: just replace "stable main" with "sarge main" ? |
| 00:03.42 | DeFender1031 | abrotman, is that supposed to be a command? |
| 00:03.45 | abrotman | nyk2005: yes |
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| 00:03.54 | stew | nyk2005: yes, then aptitude update |
| 00:03.54 | abrotman | DeFender1031: no .. it's a line in your apache conf file :) |
| 00:03.58 | DeFender1031 | oh |
| 00:03.59 | DeFender1031 | :P |
| 00:04.04 | DeFender1031 | which file? |
| 00:04.05 | nyk2005 | and then? apt-get update / apt-get upgrade? it's the same? |
| 00:04.11 | stew | nyk2005: you have rougly to the end of the year until support for sarge is dropped |
| 00:04.16 | abrotman | DeFender1031: uhm /etc/apache/httpd.conf IIRC |
| 00:04.26 | stew | nyk2005: yes, though aptitude is recommended over apt-get |
| 00:04.31 | daeos | abrotman: what was it you told me a while back on how to change what driver xorg uses (or gdm) for display? the SAVAGE driver didn't work out well yet |
| 00:04.35 | abrotman | DeFender1031: dpkg -l *php* .. do you see any with the ii line ? |
| 00:04.42 | abrotman | !drxx daeos |
| 00:04.42 | dpkg | daeos: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:04.54 | DeFender1031 | abrotman, i didn't even need to add that file, just needed to clear cache and restart lol |
| 00:04.55 | nyk2005 | stew: ok... so I have to upgrade...? it's hard? |
| 00:04.56 | stew | abrotman: you should fix that factoid |
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| 00:05.10 | abrotman | stew: why? sarge still has xfree86 |
| 00:05.11 | litage | two of my boxes run ``apt-get update'' each day at the exact same time. however, ``sudo grep -r 'apt-get update' /etc/ /home/'' returns nothing relevent. any suggestions for how i can stop this daily update? |
| 00:05.12 | stew | nyk2005: not if you follow the instructions in chapter 4: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 00:05.15 | krekon | cafuego if I want to delete a user with his home directory and his group I use "deluser"? |
| 00:05.21 | DeFender1031 | well, i guess that's it then, thanks for your help man |
| 00:05.24 | nyk2005 | stew: sorry I dont know debian very well, mainly use gentoo and this is a main difference here.. :) |
| 00:05.28 | abrotman | stew: hrm .. i guess it is a little wonky :) |
| 00:05.52 | nyk2005 | thanks! |
| 00:06.04 | abrotman | stew: i'll change it to match the regular drxx |
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| 00:06.15 | DeFender1031 | abrotman, thanks |
| 00:06.22 | abrotman | DeFender1031: find it ? |
| 00:06.47 | DeFender1031 | abrotman, i didn't even need to add the line, just had to clear cache and restart iceweasel |
| 00:06.58 | juancgt | stew: it also says gnome-core will be deleted |
| 00:07.17 | stew | wow a gentoo users that is running oldstable and x windows, now there is something you don't see everyday! :) |
| 00:07.20 | stew | juancgt: do you run gnome? |
| 00:07.40 | stew | juancgt: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:07.54 | juancgt | stew: etch |
| 00:08.06 | abrotman | !drxx stew |
| 00:08.06 | dpkg | stew: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 00:08.08 | abrotman | stew: better ? |
| 00:08.19 | stew | abrotman: yes, thanks! |
| 00:08.21 | juancgt | stew: i think i removed something earlier that is causing all this to be removed |
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| 00:08.48 | stew | it always takes me at least 3 tries to edit a cmd: foo (.*?)... |
| 00:08.55 | fsckedagain | ok, someone has to be able to help me out here. |
| 00:10.10 | fsckedagain | pretty please |
| 00:10.11 | fsckedagain | I am just trying to set up a serial console, and it ain't happenin |
| 00:10.11 | stew | fsckedagain: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 00:10.12 | fsckedagain | ok, why can't I make my serial console work? :) |
| 00:10.12 | Ankman | fsckedagain: what have you done? |
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| 00:10.12 | stew | fsckedagain: uh, you used irq3 instead of irq4? |
| 00:10.16 | stew | fsckedagain: (you need to be more specific if that was right) |
| 00:10.17 | fsckedagain | well, all I did was set up inittab to use ttyS0 |
| 00:10.28 | stew | fsckedagain: how did you tell it that... |
| 00:10.39 | fsckedagain | here is what I have in my inittab re: serial console comms |
| 00:10.58 | fsckedagain | T0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 00:11.42 | fsckedagain | and when I connect I don't get anything on the terminal |
| 00:12.24 | juancgt | which gcc should i be running with a stock debian install? |
| 00:12.45 | Quintin | juancgt: 4-ish |
| 00:12.53 | fsckedagain | hmm, made a change, lemme go try real fast. brb |
| 00:13.14 | nyk2005 | stew: how can I find out what "flavor" of kernel I'm using currently? its a vserver, so maybe 386 or 686 |
| 00:13.23 | dondelelcaro | nyk2005: uname -r |
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| 00:13.36 | fsckedagain | nope, no love |
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| 00:13.41 | dondelelcaro | (uname -a) would help too |
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| 00:14.01 | dondelelcaro | juancgt: ls -l /usr/bin/gcc will tell you |
| 00:14.09 | nyk2005 | dondelelcaro: ok... :) (I knew..) |
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| 00:14.42 | fsckedagain | ok, so my little change didn't do anything, still isn't working |
| 00:15.18 | dondelelcaro | fsckedagain: have you run telinit q; ? Is there a getty running on ttyS0 ? |
| 00:15.26 | fsckedagain | yes and yes |
| 00:15.34 | dondelelcaro | fsckedagain: then it's set up properly |
| 00:15.52 | fsckedagain | hmm, ok, let me go check something else then |
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| 00:15.56 | dondelelcaro | fsckedagain: you just need to figure out what's either wrong with the cable or the program you're using to connect to the serial port. You also may not be using the right serial port. |
| 00:16.14 | fsckedagain | okie dokie, let me go check the cable (swap said cable, actually) |
| 00:16.16 | nyk2005 | stew: doing the update seems to work nicely! |
| 00:16.33 | nyk2005 | stew: it's just a webserver with python and mysql.. |
| 00:18.20 | karsten | nyk2005: Lick it. |
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| 00:19.27 | jrlilly | i'm getting a " GPG error" when i apt-get update for http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US, how do i fix it? |
| 00:20.06 | dondelelcaro | !non-us |
| 00:20.07 | dpkg | [non-us] where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 00:20.29 | jrlilly | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 00:20.52 | tansaku | I'm having some trouble with mail on debian - on a sarge box the "mail" command works fine. with mailx -v I can see the SMTP interaction, but "mail" on lenny just bombs, with no error ... |
| 00:20.56 | fsckedagain | well, this is getting annoying. The com port is enabled in the BIOS, the cable is good because I can console into a switch, the connection is configured as desired, it just doesn't work |
| 00:21.20 | abrotman | maybe the desired configuration is the wrong one |
| 00:21.41 | fsckedagain | possible, but I made it as simple as possible, 8 N 1 no flow control |
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| 00:22.37 | fsckedagain | and this is keeping me from a frosty beer |
| 00:22.44 | fsckedagain | I can't leave work til I get this figured out rofl |
| 00:22.51 | fsckedagain | so it's doubley frustrating |
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| 00:23.47 | bykte | hi, anyway to direct a curses application output? |
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| 00:26.56 | dondelelcaro | fsckedagain: is it set to 9600 baud? do you see anything if you hit return repeatedly? |
| 00:27.26 | dondelelcaro | fsckedagain: does setterm verify the settings on ttyS0? have you checked dmesg to make sure that ttyS0 is the serial port you think it is? |
| 00:27.54 | stew | dondelelcaro: why does the kettle always get quieter right before it boils? |
| 00:29.00 | fsckedagain | ok, when it comes back up I will check out those items for you |
| 00:29.02 | dondelelcaro | stew: dunno; could be bubble sizes becomming smaller on average; could be steam isolating the kettle acoustically |
| 00:29.15 | Ankman | damn apple emu |
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| 00:29.19 | fsckedagain | it is set to 9600 and nothing happens if I hit return repeatedly, though. That much I do know |
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| 00:31.02 | michael____ | am hey guys does anyone know how to get the latest mozilla firefox for debian linux.....cause i am really not likin this iceweasel browser |
| 00:31.26 | dondelelcaro | michael____: the only difference between the two is the name |
| 00:31.38 | dondelelcaro | (and the icons) |
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| 00:32.47 | michael____ | dondelelcaro: well i can't get google toolbar installed on it |
| 00:33.06 | dondelelcaro | !real problem |
| 00:33.06 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.] |
| 00:33.13 | michael____ | dondelelcaro: and some the addons don't install on it too |
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| 00:34.01 | dondelelcaro | michael____: the addons that work on firefox 2.0 will work just fine on it; in some cases the addons haven't been updated; in those cases you need to talk to the developer of the addon to update the addon appropriately (or do it yoursef) |
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| 00:35.14 | daeos | is it possible to use xfree's screen saver in xorg? xorg's screen saver lacks in choices |
| 00:35.14 | protoloco | 33 Celsius <-- is on my server, is that OK ? |
| 00:35.17 | dondelelcaro | (google toolbar appears to be only updated for firefox 1.5, not firefox 2.0) |
| 00:35.35 | michael____ | dondelelcaro: oh....what bout the google toolbar do the same thing for it |
| 00:35.46 | dondelelcaro | protoloco: yeah, that's fine |
| 00:36.27 | gravity | daeos: Erm... what? You mean XScreensaver? |
| 00:36.36 | daeos | gravity: yes |
| 00:36.45 | gravity | daeos: Yes, you can |
| 00:36.53 | gravity | It's the same program. It's totally independent of xorg |
| 00:36.59 | michael____ | dondelelcaro: oh....well the windows version of the firefox 2.0... could of install the google toolbar |
| 00:37.03 | abrotman | daeos: did you install the GL ones ? |
| 00:37.06 | daeos | really... for some reason i have 2 screen saves |
| 00:37.07 | gravity | Aside from running on X11 that is |
| 00:37.11 | daeos | saver programs |
| 00:37.15 | gravity | daeos: What two? |
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| 00:37.38 | michael____ | so i was just wonderin if ....but if so then i will look around more |
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| 00:38.53 | daeos | gravity: when i upgraded from sarge to etch, in my gnome menu for some reason i see 2 screen saver options |
| 00:39.04 | daeos | XScreensaver and screen saver |
| 00:39.16 | gravity | daeos: I don't really know what's going on there... |
| 00:39.28 | gravity | Does gnome still for xscreensaver? |
| 00:39.30 | michael____ | dondelelcaro: but still is there a deb file of firefox for debian to install and if yes where can i get it? |
| 00:39.31 | gravity | (anyone?) |
| 00:39.40 | gravity | They used to, ages ago |
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| 00:39.46 | dondelelcaro | michael____: we don't distribute one. Someone may make it, but google will tell you where that is. |
| 00:39.54 | gravity | Sorry, "fork xscreensaver", not for |
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| 00:40.57 | daeos | fork ? |
| 00:41.01 | michael____ | dondelelcaro: ok thanks very much |
| 00:41.08 | gravity | daeos: Copy and make their own version |
| 00:41.22 | abrotman | !info gnome-screensaver etch |
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| 00:41.55 | dpkg | gnome-screensaver: (GNOME screen saver and locker), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.3-3 (etch), Packaged size: 1673 kB, Installed size: 2900 kB |
| 00:42.20 | abrotman | i'd do the depends .. but the bot would get kicked for flooding :) |
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| 00:43.22 | dondelelcaro | !+depends gnome-screensaver etch |
| 00:43.24 | dpkg | gnome-screensaver: depends on libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libavahi-client3 (>= 0.6.13), libavahi-common3 (>= 0.6.10), libavahi-glib1 (>= 0.6.12), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.13.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 0.94), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.71), libesd0 (>= 0.2.35) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.35), libexif12, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), ... |
| 00:43.37 | dondelelcaro | see... the bot is teh smart. |
| 00:43.48 | lontra | anyone know why virtualbox isn't in debian? is it cause of licensing reasons? |
| 00:44.14 | dondelelcaro | lontra: most likely cause someone hasn't packaged it, assuming it's possible to at least distribute in non-free. |
| 00:44.41 | hailviral | when i try to view my .php files in my brower they have question marks what do i ask apt-get to et for me to fix that, i tried apt-get php doesn't work |
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| 00:44.58 | dondelelcaro | hailviral: question marks? |
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| 00:45.43 | hailviral | yea when i load the .php into my browser the files have question marks by them |
| 00:45.51 | hailviral | they don't let me veiw them |
| 00:46.00 | hailviral | i'm missing someting |
| 00:46.13 | hailviral | apt-get install php doens't d/l anything |
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| 00:46.51 | lontra | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 00:47.29 | explody | if I have a debian package source tree, for example a linux-image, is there a way to build only _one_ of the packages listed in debian/control rather than sitting through 10 other builds that I don't need? |
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| 00:47.57 | explody | something like "dpkg-buildpackage <pkg name>"? |
| 00:51.02 | dondelelcaro | explody: no, there's no generic way to do that |
| 00:51.13 | explody | damn |
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| 00:51.46 | explody | that sucks when one has something like this: grep Package debian/control | wc -l |
| 00:51.46 | explody | 136 |
| 00:52.26 | explody | granted I wouldn't build all of those because the arch doesn't match, but I'd build at least 10 or 12 |
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| 00:52.36 | dondelelcaro | explody: well, you're making me ask why you're actually building the linux-image source package. |
| 00:52.50 | dondelelcaro | explody: since there's no point at all to building it |
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| 00:53.27 | explody | it's a minor thing |
| 00:53.47 | explody | I can just do the kpkg route |
| 00:53.51 | abrotman | how minor :) |
| 00:54.31 | dondelelcaro | if it's minor, just take the linux-source package, the .config for your running kernel, and use make-kpkg |
| 00:55.28 | explody | yeh |
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| 01:02.11 | limpio | hi, is there an app to format the hd? clean it up? |
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| 01:03.11 | edog | fdisk |
| 01:03.19 | explody | mkfs |
| 01:03.27 | GhostlyDeath | for GRUB, what /boot/grub/menu.lst options do I need to have for it to boot 98? |
| 01:03.32 | Ankman | rm -rf / ;-) |
| 01:03.42 | edog | :"( |
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| 01:07.07 | daeos | so then i'd just uninstall the gnome-screensaver ? |
| 01:07.35 | centrx | ? |
| 01:07.51 | GhostlyDeath | can GRUB fake drives? |
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| 01:08.46 | GhostlyDeath | Change /dev/sda1 to /dev/hda1 for example? |
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| 01:11.23 | daeos | gravity; abrotman so i'd remove gnome-screensaver ? |
| 01:11.34 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:12.11 | daeos | because it overrides the xscreensaver and i prefer that one over gnome |
| 01:12.36 | abrotman | okay .. then get it |
| 01:12.50 | daeos | ... both are installed |
| 01:13.05 | gravity | daeos: Just disable gnome-screensaver |
| 01:13.20 | gravity | daeos: System->Preferences->Screensaver should do it, iirc |
| 01:13.38 | gravity | daeos: You can enable xscreensaver by other methods, like in your .xsession or something |
| 01:14.12 | explody | ok I'm missing something about 2.6.18+kernel-package+xen |
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| 01:15.17 | dureyes | can someone recommend a wireless card for laptop that comes with linux drivers? |
| 01:15.43 | explody | dureyes: not personally, but lots of them work with ndiswrapper+windows drivers |
| 01:15.50 | explody | mine does anyway |
| 01:16.08 | daeos | evil ndiswrapper |
| 01:16.18 | daeos | hmm..no, evil linksys |
| 01:16.24 | explody | yes, that |
| 01:16.59 | daeos | i've given up on linksys for this damn pcmcia card |
| 01:17.03 | daeos | imma go get a netgear |
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| 01:17.25 | explody | my linksys card is working pretty well |
| 01:17.41 | dureyes | explody: I was hoping to buy something with linux native drivers... |
| 01:17.53 | brianski | hmm i've got me a sarge install, and it's not happy trying to get the latest security updates, it tells me thinks like: file: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) but 2.3.5-6 is to be installed |
| 01:18.18 | explody | dureyes: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ ? |
| 01:18.29 | stew | brianski: then you are getting updates for etch, not for sarge |
| 01:18.34 | brianski | and apt-get --reinstall install libc6 tells me: Reinstallation of libc6 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 01:18.49 | stew | brianski: what version of libc6 is currently installed? |
| 01:18.52 | brianski | stew: well sunuvagun |
| 01:18.54 | brianski | that was easy |
| 01:18.56 | brianski | thanks :) |
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| 01:19.13 | daeos | dureyes: most cards from what i understand do, but its just in my bad luck that native drivers don't get automatically configured to the device |
| 01:19.18 | daeos | my pcmcia card for one didn't |
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| 01:19.30 | stew | brianski: "apt-cache policy libc6" say for "Installed:" ? |
| 01:19.51 | brianski | a simple sed -i s/stable/sarge/ /etc/apt/sources.list ; apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade did the trick |
| 01:20.00 | brianski | stew: i'll check on the next vm i'm doing this on |
| 01:20.01 | brianski | thanks |
| 01:21.10 | brianski | stew: apt-cache policy libc6 | grep -i installed -> Installed: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 |
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| 01:22.39 | stew | brianski: ok, that's good. you'll want to upgrade to etch sometime before the end of the year or so, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 01:22.58 | brianski | stew: sarge goes unsupported @ end of 2007, i take it? |
| 01:23.44 | brianski | or more to the point, will no longer get security patches? |
| 01:23.49 | abrotman | same thing :) |
| 01:23.50 | stew | brianski: one year after the etch release or until lenny is releases whichever is shorter, |
| 01:24.12 | abrotman | stew: i assume lenny will take longer than the end of the year |
| 01:24.12 | dureyes | thanks guys... |
| 01:24.25 | daeos | imma give this linksys 1 more try.... |
| 01:24.34 | daeos | my buddy better thank me for this |
| 01:24.35 | brianski | so is it in general a bad idea to have "stable" instead of $release_name in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 01:24.35 | stew | abrotman: maybe something magical will happen at debconf |
| 01:24.46 | daeos | maybe abrotman will go |
| 01:24.49 | stew | brianski: yes, newer installers install "releasename" |
| 01:24.51 | daeos | i saw the petition online |
| 01:24.55 | abrotman | stew: they'd have to announce the freeze now |
| 01:25.00 | brianski | stew: cool, thanks |
| 01:25.17 | daeos | its amazing what googling abrotman shows |
| 01:25.22 | abrotman | daeos: that's not all me |
| 01:25.27 | stew | abrotman: really, no |
| 01:25.40 | abrotman | stew: though .. a freeze around xmas wouldn't be too bad :) |
| 01:25.48 | abrotman | wait .. no .. next xmas! |
| 01:25.51 | daeos | well i found one page talking about someone trying to get you to go to debconf |
| 01:26.03 | abrotman | daeos: that was last year .. damog wanted me to go very badly |
| 01:26.06 | abrotman | and i let damog down |
| 01:26.09 | explody | is there some trick to using kernel-package to build a xen kernel, given that there are no longer xen patches available? |
| 01:26.17 | damog | yeah |
| 01:26.27 | daeos | amazing google still finds it ;) |
| 01:26.42 | abrotman | daeos: everything else i had got lost when the server hosting it went IIS |
| 01:28.43 | brianski | kthxbye |
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| 01:31.19 | explody | ffs I love debian but this is why I left for gentoo |
| 01:31.28 | daeos | and...... the newest linksys driver didn't work.. so now on to the TI driver... |
| 01:31.32 | abrotman | explody: ? |
| 01:31.45 | asg | abrotman: he exploded, apparently |
| 01:31.51 | mmlj4 | right, bleeding-edge on xen is definitely more stable |
| 01:31.52 | abrotman | it happens |
| 01:31.59 | explody | abrotman: doing custom things almost inevitably becomes way way way overcomplicated |
| 01:32.08 | explody | custom builds* |
| 01:32.16 | abrotman | explody: you didn't actually tell us what you were doing .. just something vague |
| 01:32.22 | explody | oh I know |
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| 01:32.36 | abrotman | right |
| 01:32.49 | asg | abrotman: I assumed he was overclocking his frobnitz |
| 01:32.51 | explody | all I'm doing is building a new xen kernel |
| 01:32.58 | abrotman | explody: and why? |
| 01:33.03 | abrotman | and why is it hard? |
| 01:33.11 | leming | explody, you can custom build a kernel the same way regardless of distribution |
| 01:33.12 | explody | CONFIG_XEN_DISABLE_SERIAL |
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| 01:33.24 | explody | leming: um yes I know |
| 01:33.40 | leming | so how is it overcomplicated? |
| 01:33.42 | leming | it's the same. |
| 01:33.46 | explody | but I prefer not to circumvent the packaging system if I can avoid it |
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| 01:34.10 | abrotman | explody: okay .. so use your current config .. change one option .. and make the kernel |
| 01:34.17 | asg | explody: you've basically done that by not using a packaged kernel anyway. |
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| 01:34.31 | explody | asg: I am using a packaged kernel |
| 01:34.35 | leming | you're not circumventing much.. the bzimage still goes in the same place, headers are still accessible, and modules are where they should be |
| 01:34.38 | explody | let me clarify |
| 01:34.40 | abrotman | just a custom compiled packaged kernel! |
| 01:34.45 | asg | explody: that you are futzing with |
| 01:35.01 | explody | getting a new kernel built is not an issue |
| 01:35.12 | asg | explody: then what is? |
| 01:35.28 | asg | abrotman: hah, I played a 2-string this weekend. Great fun. |
| 01:35.35 | abrotman | all two strings eh ? |
| 01:35.43 | explody | what is an issue is getting a new .deb built with the one little option flipped so I can push it out to 5 or 6 other machines |
| 01:35.51 | asg | abrotman: yeah. Smoke on the water was almost possible. |
| 01:35.55 | gordboy | abrotman, can you tune it to dadgad ? i fancy a bit of traditional folk |
| 01:35.56 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:36.00 | daeos | would that be the worlds tiniest violin? |
| 01:36.09 | abrotman | gordboy: it's currently down a step anyways |
| 01:36.16 | explody | I can easily modify the source of the package I'm using now _if_ I want to wait for it to build 30 other kernel images |
| 01:36.38 | abrotman | explody: why is it a problem ? |
| 01:36.47 | gordboy | abrotman, yeah i used to do that. i had an eko ranger 12str in 1979 |
| 01:36.51 | explody | and I can easily build from vanilla or debian sources manually if I want to not use packages |
| 01:37.15 | abrotman | gordboy: my apartment was pretty dry all winter . so it seemed a good idea |
| 01:37.34 | gordboy | anyone going to edinburgh debconf ? |
| 01:37.35 | asg | abrotman: has he had the kp mantra yet? |
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| 01:37.52 | asg | gordboy: missed it by <----> that much |
| 01:37.54 | abrotman | explody: get the freaking linux-source package .. take your current running config .. copy it to .config .. change your option .. make-kpkg binary . have a nice day |
| 01:38.38 | explody | abrotman: and xen becomes enabled how? |
| 01:38.49 | abrotman | aren't you using the xen enabled source already? |
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| 01:39.13 | abrotman | argh |
| 01:39.14 | cbeok | Does anybody know of a content/document management system that supports pdf/word document/open office document searching, file tagging, and has a web browser interface for users? |
| 01:39.19 | abrotman | stupid same source packages |
| 01:39.20 | explody | my current kernel is binary |
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| 01:39.30 | abrotman | explody: but is your current one xen enabled ? |
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| 01:39.52 | asg | cbeok: I'd look at either Zope/Plone or Drupal. One of those should do the trick |
| 01:40.29 | explody | indeed |
| 01:40.44 | explody | k found it |
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| 01:42.39 | cbeok | asg: Indeed, I've thought of plone, but i've never heard of drupal. My prime concern is that the software doesn't do too much, but just enough. I dont want to have to maintain something complex when my users only need a few features. I'll check drupal out - thanks. |
| 01:43.04 | asg | cbeok: you could always build your own using django or rails :) |
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| 01:43.41 | cbeok | asg: well :), that was actually my first thought! but, alas! my boss nixed it. |
| 01:43.51 | asg | cbeok: also, if those don't fit the bill, 'apt-cache search document management' might garner a few ideas. |
| 01:43.52 | explody | cbeok: confluence, from atlassian and clearspace from jive |
| 01:44.07 | explody | both mostly commercial |
| 01:44.25 | explody | but confluence is free for open-source projects I believe |
| 01:45.13 | cbeok | explody: many thanks. |
| 01:45.17 | daeos | ok let me make sure i understand this... if lspci shows my linksys card is at 104c:9066 then why was it showing something else before a reboot? |
| 01:45.30 | mmlj4 | you want simple? kwiki |
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| 01:46.49 | cbeok | mmlj4: do most wiki's support document searching within their attachments? I was considering using moinmoin, but didn't for the reason that attachments are a bit awkward. I've not tried kwiki though. |
| 01:47.06 | explody | daeos: because pci devices don't always get initialized in exactly the same order, resulting in different output from lspci after reboots? |
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| 01:47.12 | explody | sometimes |
| 01:47.21 | mmlj4 | most wikis? i run kwiki, and use wikipedia, that's my extent |
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| 01:47.40 | mmlj4 | kwiki.org, go gawk at it |
| 01:47.50 | daeos | explody: ah ok, understood... and its ok if my vga controller and my wireless card use the same irq right... not sure if that will cause issues... been a while since i had to worry about irq conflicts... in dos/windows but never in linux |
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| 01:47.53 | mmlj4 | apt-get install kwiki && be happy |
| 01:48.20 | cbeok | mmlj4: heh, okay, i'll not trouble you further with silly questions that I can answer for myself. cheers to you. |
| 01:48.43 | explody | daeos: well if either one doesn't work, then it would be a problem. If they both do I guess you're fine ;) |
| 01:49.00 | daeos | explody: ah ok... sounds a bit fishy |
| 01:49.20 | mmlj4 | cbeok: lots of goodies you can install... check the plugins list |
| 01:49.44 | daeos | explody: but they work i suppose... i know my vga controller is.. otherwise i wouldn't see that output ;) |
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| 01:49.52 | explody | cbeok: no, most wikis do not support searching the contents of things like word/excel/pdf |
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| 01:50.26 | explody | cbeok: some do natively, some have addons, but it's a feature most common in (but not exclusive to) commercial apps |
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| 01:52.26 | mmlj4 | um, wait.. if you have a PDF you want in your wiki, put it on a server somewhere and post a link to it |
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| 01:53.07 | mmlj4 | want pdf, .doc, etc. searched? ask google to index your doc stash |
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| 01:54.38 | cbeok | mmlj4: the problem with that would be that this software is to be installed on an intranet, for the development group's use only. Thanks though for your suggestions. I have a few good leads. |
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| 01:54.44 | cbeok | that goes for everybody. |
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| 01:55.42 | atealtha | I have beryl running but the borders are not showing. I triple checked all my settings and I can't figure out what is wrong. Nothing suspicious on xorg logs either. Anyone have any idea what else to look for? |
| 01:56.05 | sn0 | atealtha try right clicking beryl manager > reload window manager from the options |
| 01:56.21 | sn0 | otherwise change window manager back to your default, in the same menu, then change back to beryl |
| 01:56.30 | atealtha | sn0: already tried that |
| 01:56.46 | sn0 | i have seen that happen if its set to beryl, then on reboot/xdm restart its not loaded so it doesn't draw |
| 01:57.15 | atealtha | so it should load everything on boot? |
| 01:57.20 | sn0 | ok atealtha what additions to adding 'nvidia' to your xorg.conf have you done? |
| 01:57.21 | atealtha | I don't have it in my sessions yet |
| 01:57.44 | atealtha | sn0: everything in http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-aiglx-compiz.html |
| 01:58.04 | atealtha | I also made sure whatever needed to be out, was out |
| 01:58.25 | sn0 | well if you choosed a different window manager than beryl and then selected back, it shouldn't be because its not starting |
| 01:58.36 | sn0 | am i right in saying you have never had the borders since installing beryl? |
| 01:58.40 | michael____ | does anyone know where to get k3b 1.0.1 for debian.........cause i did find it on http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/show.php?content=54761&vote=good&tan=60475035 but its k3b 1.0 |
| 01:58.57 | atealtha | sn0: borders go away once I start beryl. my gnome session still starts in metacity |
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| 01:59.27 | sn0 | the only other thing i would add is Option "RenderAccel" "True" |
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| 01:59.53 | atealtha | sn0: this in my device section? |
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| 02:00.11 | sn0 | along with the AddARGBGLXVisuals etc yes |
| 02:00.25 | sn0 | some users also need Option "backingstore" "True" , im not sure what the correlation is |
| 02:01.00 | atealtha | alrighty then |
| 02:01.05 | sn0 | it would be worth trying to load beryl-manager from the terminal, to see if it reports anything extra |
| 02:01.10 | atealtha | hmm there is no way to restart X and stay on irc? |
| 02:01.15 | michael____ | hello anyone i found k3b 1.0 on http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/show.php?content=54761&vote=good&tan=60475035 |
| 02:01.19 | atealtha | sn0: ok |
| 02:01.26 | sn0 | only if you started irc in a console login/screen :) |
| 02:01.31 | michael____ | does anyone know where to get k3b 1.0.1 for debian |
| 02:01.33 | outlaw | use screen |
| 02:01.43 | atealtha | yeah I should've thought of that first |
| 02:02.19 | atealtha | anyways, running beryl-manager from command line shows nothing |
| 02:02.19 | atealtha | brb |
| 02:02.20 | sn0 | i wonder is it a 7xxx series nvidia |
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| 02:03.26 | atealtha | well, I was wrong |
| 02:03.39 | atealtha | beryl-manager in command line comes up with a bunch of stuff |
| 02:03.55 | sn0 | anything useful ? :) |
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| 02:04.14 | atealtha | Couldn't initialise dbus |
| 02:04.52 | atealtha | and a bunch of complaints about depth 32, when default is 24 |
| 02:05.47 | atealtha | heh, my nvidia app is showing 32 |
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| 02:06.20 | sn0 | that could well be it |
| 02:06.33 | sn0 | i must retire, 3am here and its been a long day :) |
| 02:06.37 | atealtha | strange it doesn't show 24 |
| 02:06.43 | atealtha | thanks for the help |
| 02:06.50 | sn0 | anymore problems i believe there is a #desktop-effects channel which could assist more |
| 02:06.54 | sn0 | your welcome, gnite |
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| 02:08.17 | linux2 | can anyone here find anything on this error with openwebmail " |
| 02:08.17 | linux2 | Couldn't update index db" |
| 02:08.24 | linux2 | any help i would appreciate |
| 02:08.32 | linux2 | the only page i can find that has anything isn't up anymore |
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| 02:15.26 | daeos | did abrotman leave? everyone is so quiet here now |
| 02:15.30 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:15.34 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:15.34 | dpkg | <Guerin> JVaughn: it's probably bourbon. bourbon and whisky are different like knoppix and debian. |
| 02:15.36 | abrotman | better ? |
| 02:15.36 | daeos | oh, there you are |
| 02:15.45 | daeos | haha yeah |
| 02:17.07 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:17.22 | vorpal | bourbon is a type of whiskey |
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| 02:17.38 | abrotman | and knoppix is derived from debian |
| 02:17.40 | daeos | do we use /lib/firmware/ or /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ ? |
| 02:18.11 | vorpal | but whiskey is a generic type, therefore i would say it is more like debian and Linux |
| 02:18.13 | gravity | mmm... bourbon |
| 02:18.27 | gravity | word |
| 02:18.27 | abrotman | but doesn't whisky differ from whiskey ? |
| 02:18.40 | gravity | I didn't think so |
| 02:18.47 | gravity | Is that because of a regional spelling? |
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| 02:18.49 | abrotman | maybe it depends on your locale |
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| 02:21.51 | abrotman | the former IIRC |
| 02:21.53 | abrotman | !firmware |
| 02:21.56 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:22.44 | daeos | hmm |
| 02:22.45 | daeos | ok cause both exist, but just making sure which one to use |
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| 02:22.45 | abrotman | is one a symlink ? |
| 02:23.32 | daeos | no |
| 02:25.06 | explody | abrotman: just FYI, using kernel-package to build out of a linux-source tree does not get you a xen kernel, and so far neither does building out of the source tree of my running kernel |
| 02:25.23 | Feto | !mirrors |
| 02:25.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 02:25.32 | abrotman | explody: isn't it just an option ? |
| 02:25.39 | Feto | !apt-setup |
| 02:25.39 | dpkg | well, apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in etch and later since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
| 02:26.19 | explody | not that I've found so far |
| 02:26.19 | abrotman | Feto: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 02:26.19 | explody | I'd love to be wrong though |
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| 02:27.02 | hiyah | hi, my /var/log/mysql.log is about 900mb now its taking up my "/" space, how do i make it gzipped by itself? |
| 02:27.21 | abrotman | did you compile it yourself? |
| 02:27.41 | explody | no, I'm using linux-headers-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 |
| 02:27.44 | explody | woops |
| 02:27.44 | abrotman | not you |
| 02:27.59 | abrotman | explody: you might want to ask #debian-xen on OFTC |
| 02:28.07 | explody | good idea |
| 02:28.10 | abrotman | maybe there's a trick they hide |
| 02:28.14 | abrotman | explody: #debian-kernel is also there |
| 02:28.15 | explody | there has to be |
| 02:29.36 | explody | thanks for trying though |
| 02:29.50 | abrotman | i'm a loser :) |
| 02:29.55 | explody | hahaha |
| 02:29.58 | explody | hardly :P |
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| 02:30.21 | abrotman | explody: why are you going through all this to get that option taken out ? |
| 02:30.45 | explody | because it breaks the serial console redirection in dom0 |
| 02:30.50 | abrotman | ah |
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| 02:31.27 | explody | you can put the xen serial console at a different ttyS, but the kernel still disables the hardware unless you flip that switch |
| 02:31.43 | abrotman | that sounds like no fun |
| 02:31.46 | abrotman | !phillysmite wakejagr |
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| 02:32.00 | abrotman | oh jeez .. i knocked him out of the channel! |
| 02:32.10 | explody | hahah |
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| 02:32.25 | explody | I think that cheezwhiz went bad |
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| 02:34.27 | abrotman | cheezwhiz doesn't go bad |
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| 02:34.47 | explody | good point |
| 02:35.17 | daeos | so...... which would be best ? |
| 02:35.36 | abrotman | Yuengling |
| 02:35.45 | daeos | /lib/firmware or /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 02:36.23 | abrotman | i told you already |
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| 02:38.35 | _Tiju4n0 | hola |
| 02:38.40 | _Tiju4n0 | alguien me puede ayudar? |
| 02:38.53 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:38.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 02:40.28 | daeos | abrotman: ok, the first one i named ok... |
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| 02:48.37 | mikecc | sup guys what package has all of the manpages for the standard C library? |
| 02:49.21 | abrotman | manpages-dev |
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| 02:49.30 | mikecc | thanks abrotman |
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| 02:50.29 | Feto | i'm trying to install pidgin |
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| 02:50.36 | Feto | from the source i downloaded |
| 02:50.54 | Feto | but I get this error from configure: You must have the GTK+ 2.0 development headers installed to compile Pidgin. |
| 02:50.58 | int80_h | say I want my program to listen on port foo. what file besides /etc/services do I need to create/modify? |
| 02:51.10 | Feto | i already installed libglib2.0-dev but it did no good |
| 02:51.27 | explody | libgtk2.0-dev |
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| 02:53.48 | Feto | explody: it didn't help |
| 02:54.04 | Feto | oh wait |
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| 02:54.09 | abrotman | just use the gaim your system came with .. jeez |
| 02:54.09 | Feto | that's a different one aparently |
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| 02:54.20 | Feto | abrotman: i don't care for gaim |
| 02:54.29 | abrotman | it's the same thing!!!!!! |
| 02:54.33 | Feto | nor do lots of other people |
| 02:54.42 | Feto | what do you mean the same thing? |
| 02:54.46 | Feto | it's another client |
| 02:54.50 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 02:55.00 | abrotman | !pidgin |
| 02:55.00 | dpkg | i guess pidgin is formerly gaim, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. |
| 02:55.18 | Feto | wtf? |
| 02:55.21 | Feto | i was tricked! |
| 02:55.25 | abrotman | wasn't hard |
| 02:55.26 | Guerin | Feto: but it worked |
| 02:55.32 | Guerin | that's marketing for you |
| 02:55.35 | Guerin | !zombie |
| 02:55.36 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 02:55.41 | Guerin | grr |
| 02:55.53 | Guerin | are processes in `D' zombies? |
| 02:55.59 | Feto | Guerin: yeah but now i know pidgin is gaim i don't feel like trying it anymore |
| 02:56.01 | troy- | what is the best method of creating encrypted home containers for individual users in linux? |
| 02:56.09 | Guerin | Feto: why not? |
| 02:56.17 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:56.27 | Guerin | troy-: don't make up temrinology - say what you mean |
| 02:56.27 | Feto | i don't like gaim |
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| 02:56.48 | abrotman | Guerin: can't you see the logic?! |
| 02:56.49 | troy- | i want each user to have their own encrypted home directory.. |
| 02:57.03 | Guerin | troy-: what the hell is the point of that? |
| 02:57.15 | Guerin | troy-: just make homedirs 700 |
| 02:57.29 | Feto | Guerin: what if some sucker steals the hard drive? |
| 02:57.32 | Feto | i mean physically :) |
| 02:57.33 | troy- | i dont want to do that.. |
| 02:57.38 | Guerin | Feto: then you're fucked anyway. |
| 02:57.41 | dan2 | evening abrotman |
| 02:57.43 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:57.46 | Feto | not if you got backups |
| 02:57.50 | dan2 | abrotman: you always seem so glumb |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | dan2: cause it's almost bed time :) |
| 02:58.07 | Feto | shite |
| 02:58.07 | troy- | i want ti setup so that no one user can compromise the entire partition |
| 02:58.11 | troy- | *it |
| 02:58.27 | Feto | abrotman: how different is pidgin from aim? or is it the same version? |
| 02:58.35 | Guerin | troy-: what do you mean by `compromise'? |
| 02:58.38 | krazykit | Feto, pidgin is gaim, just a new name. |
| 02:58.44 | abrotman | Feto: guess it's back to Kopete for you .. which uses libgaim :) |
| 02:58.51 | troy- | Guerin, if their key and passphrase gets stolen.. |
| 02:58.53 | abrotman | Feto: pidgin is a client .. AIM is a protocol |
| 02:59.08 | Guerin | troy-: then ... what might happen? |
| 02:59.09 | Feto | yeah i meant gaim |
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| 02:59.27 | abrotman | Feto: they renamed gaim to pidgin to avoid getting sued by AOL |
| 02:59.41 | daeos | haha |
| 02:59.43 | troy- | then whoever stole it has access to the data of every user instead of the single user |
| 02:59.57 | Guerin | troy-: not if the homedirs are 700 |
| 03:00.13 | Feto | abrotman: but they stopped releasing versions under gaim i suppose |
| 03:00.18 | abrotman | uhm ... Guerin . that's not true |
| 03:00.25 | abrotman | Feto: right |
| 03:00.26 | troy- | simply changing the permissions of a directory doesn't mean a hacker cant access the data |
| 03:00.39 | abrotman | Feto: it was gaim up to like 2.0RC31552 or whatever .. then 2.0 was pidgin |
| 03:00.44 | Guerin | abrotman: sure it is ... unless the compromised user is root |
| 03:00.46 | Feto | oh |
| 03:00.57 | Feto | You must have libxml2 >= 2.6.0 development headers installed to build. |
| 03:01.04 | abrotman | Guerin: right |
| 03:01.10 | Guerin | troy-: is that right. How might an attacker get the data, if it's not readble to that user? |
| 03:01.16 | Feto | i checked for libxml2 but apt-get says it got the latest |
| 03:01.21 | Guerin | abrotman: in which case you're fucked either way |
| 03:01.23 | troy- | Guerin, are you as big a jackass in real life or just on IRC? |
| 03:01.23 | abrotman | Feto: apt-cache search libxml2 dev |
| 03:01.27 | abrotman | Guerin: damn right! |
| 03:01.36 | troy- | you seem very full of yourself :) |
| 03:01.42 | abrotman | troy-: his toilet swirls backwards .. he's angry |
| 03:01.46 | explody | local access to any system basically equates to root since it opens up easy local root exploit options |
| 03:01.47 | Guerin | troy-: yes, stupid people think I'm a bastard in real life, too. |
| 03:02.05 | Guerin | troy-: explain to me how a non-root user can access another user's protected home dir. |
| 03:02.07 | explody | relying on file system permissions alone to protect data is silly |
| 03:02.19 | troy- | Guerin, i would imagine there are plenty of stupid people that think a hacker cant access data to a directory protected by permissions |
| 03:02.25 | abrotman | explody: unless it's DOS! |
| 03:02.30 | explody | woot! |
| 03:02.56 | troy- | exploiting a vulnerability in the server, gaining root access, and reading the contents of the dir.. |
| 03:03.02 | Guerin | troy-: they just wave a magic permission-bypassing wand? They read directly from the block device? |
| 03:03.24 | troy- | you dont think root is compromised on a server ever? |
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| 03:03.31 | Guerin | troy-: oh, I see. You want to use encryption as a substitute for other security procedures? |
| 03:03.46 | abrotman | troy-: where will you store they key ? |
| 03:03.48 | abrotman | erm .. the key |
| 03:03.50 | troy- | uhh no, I want it as an added precaution |
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| 03:04.24 | abrotman | damn logic! |
| 03:04.36 | daeos | !cigol nmad |
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| 03:05.00 | abrotman | troy-: firstly . please don't msg me |
| 03:05.05 | abrotman | troy-: secondly .. where will you store the key ? |
| 03:05.07 | explody | troy: I would consider enlightening your users to gnupg, and have them encrypt whatever they need protected |
| 03:05.14 | troy- | locally |
| 03:05.31 | troy- | explody, GnuPG server-side? |
| 03:05.42 | abrotman | troy-: your system will need the key to mount their $HOME .. which means it would be easily found by some jackass with root |
| 03:05.42 | explody | well how are they accessing the data? |
| 03:05.49 | Guerin | troy-: i guess the problem for me is why YOU (as root) would do this, and why any user so paranoid about their data would entrust he management of such a system to someone else |
| 03:05.53 | explody | via shell? web app? |
| 03:05.57 | daeos | troy-: yes, never msg abrotman as he will bite back with a vengance :( |
| 03:06.03 | abrotman | ARGH! |
| 03:06.04 | phillip | Shit |
| 03:06.09 | abrotman | poo! |
| 03:06.21 | troy- | abrotman, thats fine but they still wont have the passphrase |
| 03:06.40 | abrotman | keysniffer |
| 03:07.06 | troy- | http://www.it.uc3m.es/ptb/nbd/ |
| 03:07.18 | troy- | the keysniffer would have to be on the local machine |
| 03:07.25 | abrotman | which they already have root .. |
| 03:07.28 | CompWizrd | social engineering with a baseball bat... |
| 03:07.29 | explody | troy-: are the users SSHing in or is it non-interactive access to their home dirs? |
| 03:07.30 | Guerin | troy-: which should be quite doable in case of a compromise |
| 03:07.41 | abrotman | troy-: i't snot a horrible idea .. but don't expect it to protect you |
| 03:07.45 | abrotman | it's not |
| 03:07.56 | troy- | i read that as snot :) |
| 03:07.58 | abrotman | i't snot .. totally different .. dork boogers are huge! |
| 03:07.58 | Guerin | i can't see a benefit over individual use of gpg here |
| 03:08.06 | troy- | explody, it would be mounted using NBD |
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| 03:08.20 | troy- | thus there is no typing of a passphrase on the server |
| 03:08.27 | explody | yes, but how are they actually accessing their data |
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| 03:08.34 | troy- | using NBD.. |
| 03:08.57 | explody | no no, that's how the server get the block device where their data lives |
| 03:09.28 | daeos | abrotman: a how-to is telling me to install firmware for my wireless card using this command: e server get the block device where their data lives |
| 03:09.38 | daeos | ... hrm hold on |
| 03:09.40 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 03:09.43 | troy- | explody, it would be mounted locally |
| 03:09.46 | explody | what I'm getting at is if these are normal home directories for UNIX users, you will have much less headache if they encrypt their own stuff |
| 03:09.54 | daeos | sudo cp tiacx111c16 /lib/firmware/`uname -r`/acx/1.2.1.34 |
| 03:09.57 | troy- | ah i see what you mean |
| 03:10.00 | abrotman | and then they're reponsible |
| 03:10.07 | abrotman | daeos: i told you where to put it |
| 03:10.13 | abrotman | twice now :) |
| 03:10.13 | daeos | what is the relavancy of the /`uname -r` /acx/1.2.1.34 |
| 03:10.15 | explody | i.e. gpg, using an ecrypted filesystem is only really handy for drives that might up and walk away |
| 03:10.15 | abrotman | !acx110 |
| 03:10.15 | dpkg | well, acx100 is wireless internet card chipset that is a royal pain to install, but if you go to http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php you will be able to have your card up and running in an hour (hopefully). http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:10.16 | troy- | as opposed to me doing it |
| 03:10.19 | daeos | abrotman: no this is different |
| 03:10.28 | daeos | abrotman: this is a seperate question |
| 03:10.28 | abrotman | daeos: run uname -r |
| 03:10.57 | abrotman | daeos: the stuff in `` gets substituted |
| 03:11.15 | explody | troy-: I definitely see what you're shooting for, but it may not be worth it |
| 03:11.37 | daeos | so its a variable then thats relavent to your kernal |
| 03:11.37 | daeos | ok |
| 03:11.39 | daeos | i get it |
| 03:11.46 | explody | if you really want something like that, use LVM and give each user their own volume, and use an encrypted filesystem on each |
| 03:12.02 | explody | which would suck a lot to manage |
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| 03:12.23 | troy- | explody, initially i wanted to encrypt the entire filesystem and then create individual volumes for each user; problem is i dont have physical access to the machine thus i cant decrypt the drive at boot |
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| 03:12.47 | Guerin | troy-: what did abrotman tell you? Does he think I'm always a dick? |
| 03:13.03 | troy- | he was indifferent |
| 03:13.13 | Guerin | he normally is |
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| 03:13.42 | explody | well here's another ugly one: put your users' home dirs in sparse files |
| 03:13.49 | Guerin | argh, i have a process in state D; I killed the parent process and it lives on - now the PPID is 1 |
| 03:13.56 | linux2 | how can i send a broadcast message to all the linux shells? |
| 03:13.56 | troy- | Guerin, you must have been dropped once too much as a child ;) I rarely see people who are as vicious as you are |
| 03:13.58 | Guerin | explody: eew |
| 03:14.03 | explody | linux2: wall |
| 03:14.12 | explody | Guerin: I said it was ugly |
| 03:14.13 | troy- | explody, thats just nasty ;) |
| 03:14.23 | linux2 | usage: wall [file] |
| 03:14.40 | linux2 | explody: i always thought it was to. but it stopped working like years ago so i stopped using it |
| 03:14.45 | Guerin | troy-: i'm not being vicious, I'm just very intolerant of stupiditude. It seems like you're trying to construct a complicated and difficult mechanism to solve a relatively simple problem |
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| 03:15.10 | troy- | Guerin, so how would you solve my simple problem? |
| 03:15.30 | explody | linux2: works fine for me... |
| 03:15.31 | Guerin | troy-: tell users to take responsibility for their own data secuity with gpg, as they have been doing for years |
| 03:15.45 | linux2 | it doesn't say wall [file] |
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| 03:16.07 | explody | troy-: you can provide wrappers or other simplified mechanisms to help the users use gpg |
| 03:16.23 | troy- | Guerin, afaik i cant find a definition for stupiditude on dictionary.com |
| 03:16.27 | explody | linux2: eh? "man wall" |
| 03:16.44 | Guerin | troy-: it's a perfectly cromulent word meaning `extreme stupidity' |
| 03:16.50 | Drizzt321 | I'm trying to reset my timezone via /etc/timezone file, but it doesn't appear to be working. I'm still getting back the old timezone I had. I have tried setting that, and rebooting as well to no affect. any help? |
| 03:16.56 | troy- | you should submit that one to oxford ;) |
| 03:17.00 | Guerin | Drizzt321: use tzconfig |
| 03:17.02 | explody | Drizzt321: /etc/localtime |
| 03:17.14 | explody | or that |
| 03:17.16 | Drizzt321 | Guerin: oddly enough, that doesn't seem to be installed. I'm running testing target |
| 03:17.21 | Drizzt321 | ahh, that might help |
| 03:17.33 | Guerin | Drizzt321: /msg dpkg search; it is around |
| 03:17.40 | Guerin | i forget which package |
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| 03:18.02 | explody | Drizzt321: just make sure /etc/localtime is symlinked to the proper TZ file, i.e. : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 Feb 17 2005 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Los_Angeles |
| 03:18.02 | Drizzt321 | Guerin: ah, thanks |
| 03:18.08 | Drizzt321 | cool, thanks |
| 03:18.37 | Guerin | graah, i think only a reboot will kill this process |
| 03:18.42 | Guerin | mind you |
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| 03:19.06 | explody | Guerin: if it's a real zombie, yeah |
| 03:19.11 | Guerin | since it's a script which changes cpu voltages, i'm just pleased the box is still working |
| 03:19.24 | Drizzt321 | Guerin: weird. I just went to packages.debian.org and searched within packages and didn't find tzconfig |
| 03:19.28 | Guerin | explody: normally killing the parent works |
| 03:19.39 | Guerin | !find bin/tzconfig |
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| 03:20.08 | stew | Drizzt321: its tzselect now |
| 03:20.16 | Guerin | grr |
| 03:20.22 | troy- | Guerin, since you have been so helpful.. are you aware of any token / smartcard solutions for SSH? |
| 03:20.24 | Drizzt321 | stew: oh. well, I tried that but that didn't seem to have any affect either |
| 03:20.54 | Drizzt321 | steve: in fact, that gave me America/Chicago instead of US/Central which is what I wanted :( |
| 03:21.03 | Drizzt321 | err...that last was to stew |
| 03:21.14 | stew | Drizzt321: aren't those in the same time zone? |
| 03:21.16 | Guerin | troy-: not in strict terms, but opie can act as one such thing. |
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| 03:21.39 | Guerin | troy-: i have used opei quite extensively and it's fantastic |
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| 03:21.40 | Drizzt321 | stew: basically, but I prefer to keep it to the timezones, not the cities |
| 03:21.46 | Drizzt321 | stew: personal quirk I guess |
| 03:21.50 | explody | Drizzt321: seriously, "rm /etc/localtime; ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<your timezone> /etc/localtime" |
| 03:21.51 | Guerin | Drizzt321: same/same |
| 03:22.06 | troy- | Guerin, it seems like OpenSSH supports PKCS#11 so technically smartcards would be supported? |
| 03:22.19 | explody | Drizzt321: it's a little Gentoo-y to symlink but the result is the same |
| 03:22.29 | troy- | i know you need to patch with a special module, but i have a feeling it would work |
| 03:22.32 | Guerin | troy-: yes, I know such things exist in principle; I just don't know of any. |
| 03:22.46 | Drizzt321 | explody: yea, thats what I did |
| 03:22.47 | explody | troy-: securid :P |
| 03:22.52 | Drizzt321 | explody: works now, so good enough |
| 03:23.00 | explody | cool |
| 03:23.00 | troy- | explody, yup but i believe yo uneed to be running RSA server externally? |
| 03:23.06 | Drizzt321 | why the heck did they changes it from tzconfig to tzselecdt? tzconfig says it all |
| 03:23.23 | explody | troy-: well that and it costs about a zillion dollars |
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| 03:23.34 | troy- | explody, the tokens are like 20 bucks |
| 03:23.36 | Drizzt321 | ohhh...gotta run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata to actually _change_ you're timezone |
| 03:23.42 | Drizzt321 | how annoying |
| 03:23.43 | IllMob | hello |
| 03:23.51 | IllMob | anyone can help me install a CVS ??? |
| 03:24.09 | explody | troy-: that's just the FOBs, doesn't include software |
| 03:24.15 | troy- | ah gotcha |
| 03:24.38 | IllMob | ??? |
| 03:24.47 | explody | IllMob: apt-get install cvs |
| 03:25.19 | dan2 | cvs suuuuuuucks |
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| 03:26.42 | troy- | Guerin, http://alon.barlev.googlepages.com/openssh-pkcs11 |
| 03:26.50 | IllMob | i have this: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/security/nss/releases/NSS_3_11_5_RTM/src/nss-3.11.5-with-nspr-4.6.5.tar.gz |
| 03:26.58 | IllMob | how can i compile and install ??? |
| 03:27.04 | IllMob | seems to be CVS |
| 03:27.43 | dondelelcaro | why in the world are you building that? |
| 03:29.31 | IllMob | i need the signtool to digitally sign some applets |
| 03:29.38 | IllMob | and some firefox XPIs |
| 03:29.42 | IllMob | can you help me ? |
| 03:29.49 | IllMob | what do i need to do to install it ? |
| 03:30.42 | stew | IllMob: use signtool from the libnss3-tools package |
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| 03:31.04 | IllMob | stew where i can find it ?? |
| 03:31.11 | stew | IllMob: apt-cache show libnss3-tools |
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| 03:34.13 | IllMob | stew can u please tell me how to install it from CVS ? |
| 03:34.30 | stew | IllMob: why do you want to install it from cvs when there is a debian package you can install? |
| 03:35.02 | IllMob | because im not running debian |
| 03:35.10 | IllMob | and nobody else helps me anywhere |
| 03:35.20 | IllMob | do you mind help me use the cvs ? |
| 03:35.28 | stew | IllMob: yes. you are in the wrong channel |
| 03:35.44 | IllMob | why all you guys react so childish ? |
| 03:36.09 | IllMob | what bad can happen if you help me ? |
| 03:36.19 | stew | IllMob: i'm sorry you feel its childish, but what your asking is very much off-topic for this channel. you should ask in a java channel a mozilla channel or a channel speific to your distribution |
| 03:36.20 | IllMob | will it harm you or anyone ? for gods sake! |
| 03:36.36 | stew | IllMob: please drop it. the topic of this channel isn't negotiable |
| 03:36.44 | qrck | IllMob: you can use the cvs-pserver |
| 03:36.47 | thedonvaughn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.48 | qrck | install it |
| 03:37.11 | infernal_jesus | IllMob: don't forget make install after make :) |
| 03:37.34 | IllMob | there is nothing like that there... |
| 03:37.38 | IllMob | i tried these commands |
| 03:37.39 | stew | please take it elsewhere, this is off-topic |
| 03:38.00 | IllMob | anybody who can spend two mins and help me private? |
| 03:38.22 | Guerin | !in private |
| 03:38.28 | Guerin | graag |
| 03:39.38 | thedonvaughn | IllMob, rtfm |
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| 03:39.49 | IllMob | thedonvaughn there is no manual |
| 03:39.53 | thedonvaughn | if you can't "install" a package, you have problems |
| 03:39.57 | FuzzyB | Anyone know of a booting livecd that basically boots to gdmchooser? |
| 03:40.03 | IllMob | its not a package |
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| 03:40.12 | thedonvaughn | IllMob, so the author wrote a package and has no documentation anywhere? just gave you a program with no instructions? I find that hard to believe |
| 03:40.27 | stew | thedonvaughn: drop it |
| 03:40.41 | thedonvaughn | dropped |
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| 03:43.07 | Guerin | grr, time to try the gentoo method, since the debian method appears to not be working |
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| 03:45.27 | hatter | anyone had any problems with mounting a hard disk upside down ? |
| 03:45.48 | maxamillion | hatter: physically? |
| 03:45.52 | hatter | yes |
| 03:46.00 | maxamillion | hatter: what kind of problems? |
| 03:46.35 | FuzzyB | hatter: i used to have to do that as a emergency tactic to recover maxtor hard drives once |
| 03:46.55 | hatter | I have always been worried about hard disks getting 'used' to there positioning, i was wondering if that is fantasy or not |
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| 03:47.09 | hatter | dell often mount hard disks vertically |
| 03:47.20 | Guerin | hard drives should in principle work in any physical alignment |
| 03:47.33 | Guerin | i've certainly run them in all manner of strange places |
| 03:47.38 | hatter | i have found occasional problems when moving a hard disk from vertical to horizontal |
| 03:47.43 | maxamillion | hatter: well ... it technically shouldn't be, but gravity is an unforgiving bitch ... so its possible |
| 03:47.56 | hatter | i was wondering about upside down as I am about to mount my PC uder my desk, upside down |
| 03:48.19 | FuzzyB | you should be find |
| 03:48.19 | hatter | interesting about the maxtors, turning them upside down |
| 03:48.27 | maxamillion | hatter: in theory, everything should be fine |
| 03:48.32 | FuzzyB | fine |
| 03:48.32 | hatter | FuzzyB, how long ago ? |
| 03:48.42 | FuzzyB | about |
| 03:48.48 | FuzzyB | 2002-2004 maybe |
| 03:48.52 | hatter | hmmm |
| 03:48.53 | FuzzyB | somewhere in there |
| 03:49.01 | FuzzyB | the ones that would die if you just looked at them wrong |
| 03:49.04 | FuzzyB | real bad drives |
| 03:49.08 | hatter | i have put hard drives in the fridge before to recover data |
| 03:49.11 | FuzzyB | used to turn them upside down to get about two more weeks out of them |
| 03:49.16 | hatter | from noisy hard drives that dont work |
| 03:49.27 | hatter | lol |
| 03:49.29 | hatter | 2 more weeks |
| 03:49.45 | hatter | i would be getting the data off asap and putting them in the bin :) |
| 03:49.58 | FuzzyB | yea |
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| 03:50.03 | infernal_jesus | hatter: the fridge? :P how would that work? :P |
| 03:50.04 | FuzzyB | but some people just didn't get it |
| 03:50.11 | FuzzyB | and the fridge doesn't work |
| 03:50.12 | FuzzyB | o |
| 03:50.17 | FuzzyB | freezer maybe |
| 03:50.19 | FuzzyB | but even then |
| 03:50.25 | hatter | infernal_jesus, its an old shamans tale, but it works, yeah freezer i mean |
| 03:50.48 | hatter | something to do with worn parts i guess, the heads going too far out of alignment |
| 03:50.55 | infernal_jesus | oh |
| 03:51.00 | FuzzyB | too loose |
| 03:51.05 | FuzzyB | need to harden the grease up |
| 03:51.08 | hatter | i saved a customers ass once with this method |
| 03:51.24 | FuzzyB | i've done the fish tank trick |
| 03:51.27 | FuzzyB | but i don't recomend it |
| 03:51.37 | hatter | the drive only worked for a about ten minutes until it need refreezing |
| 03:51.42 | infernal_jesus | fish tank trick? |
| 03:51.44 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 03:51.49 | hatter | i got about 6 goes before it completely failed |
| 03:51.50 | FuzzyB | turn a fish tank into a clean room |
| 03:52.01 | FuzzyB | then move the platters |
| 03:52.19 | hatter | FuzzyB, you've got me confused |
| 03:52.27 | infernal_jesus | yeah, same here |
| 03:52.29 | FuzzyB | take a fish tank |
| 03:52.34 | FuzzyB | clean it |
| 03:52.37 | stew | it used to be that if you formatted a drive vertically it woudlnt' always work horizontally, but i think that was back in the mfm/rll days |
| 03:52.40 | FuzzyB | sterleize it |
| 03:52.51 | FuzzyB | cover it with plastic |
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| 03:52.57 | FuzzyB | with two gloves going through it |
| 03:53.04 | FuzzyB | put two drives in |
| 03:53.06 | FuzzyB | same make |
| 03:53.12 | stew | !tell FuzzyB about enter |
| 03:53.14 | hatter | FuzzyB, you've watched too much x-files ;) |
| 03:53.15 | FuzzyB | one with a head motor ( that's what happen with this ) |
| 03:53.30 | FuzzyB | !tell stew about nazis |
| 03:53.41 | FuzzyB | anyways move the platters over |
| 03:53.53 | FuzzyB | the drive won't last long, but long enough to get ur crap off |
| 03:54.11 | stew | FuzzyB: i am not interested in nazis. please don't use the enter key in place of punctuation. |
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| 03:54.45 | FuzzyB | ignore is a wonder feature don't you think? |
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| 03:55.33 | stew | FuzzyB: it would be irrisponsible to ignore people in a channel i moderate. please just keep it on-topic |
| 03:55.42 | Guerin | heh |
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| 03:55.58 | Guerin | stew: i think he was remarking on how much he liked ignoring *you* |
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| 03:58.48 | lymeca | I'm trying to download a 1GB MJPEG movie file off of my Canon Powershot A710 IS digital camera via Digikam and it won't work. I've transferred successfully many pictures and other, smaller movie files before. Why isn't this working? |
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| 03:59.54 | mikecc | lol |
| 04:00.47 | maxamillion | lymeca: have you attempted the same with fspot or gthumb? ... its possible its just a bug in digikam |
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| 04:03.44 | Guerin | lymeca: most of those frontends seem to have retarded arbitrary filesize limits. Use gphoto2 and it should work just fine. |
| 04:03.45 | Guerin | lymeca: a 640kb movie should be enough for anyone! |
| 04:03.45 | lymeca | Guerin: Ah, you mean just the CLI tool that interfaces directly with libgphoto2? |
| 04:03.45 | hatter | do any of you remember what the best video card released was in PCI slot before AGP ? |
| 04:03.48 | Guerin | lymeca: yes. |
| 04:03.59 | Guerin | hatter: s3 ViRGE! |
| 04:04.16 | lymeca | It appears that I only have gphoto2-config and gphoto2-port-config |
| 04:04.32 | hatter | Guerin, yeah, i have two of those now, i was hoping for a little better :) |
| 04:04.58 | hatter | I now have four monitors, 2 with the S3 virge and 1 at dual head |
| 04:05.04 | hatter | 'ati' |
| 04:05.35 | lymeca | Guerin: Nevermind I'm dumb |
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| 04:09.34 | Borg^Queen | Hi people, I'm trying to get an hp vga webcam (IDing as an omnivision) to work. |
| 04:09.34 | Borg^Queen | Will such a webcam work on linux? |
| 04:09.36 | maxamillion | Borg^Queen: don't know off the top of my head .... have you googled the exact model in search of linux support? |
| 04:09.37 | Borg^Queen | Yep, |
| 04:09.37 | Borg^Queen | No info either way |
| 04:09.37 | Borg^Queen | I can't ID the chipset either |
| 04:09.38 | Borg^Queen | Uber generic? |
| 04:09.50 | maxamillion | Borg^Queen: i say fire up digikam and give it a shot (or some other web cam management program) |
| 04:10.13 | Borg^Queen | Hmm now there's an idea, didn't think about digikam |
| 04:10.15 | Borg^Queen | brb, thanks |
| 04:10.26 | nvz | well my brother has a P4 system with nforce chipsets I can swap my AthlonXP/via/s3 pro suckage out for |
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| 04:11.11 | Borg^Queen | lol |
| 04:11.20 | Borg^Queen | I've had it with AMD too |
| 04:11.26 | Borg^Queen | Major over heats |
| 04:12.08 | nvz | you must not understand how bad an S3 ProSuckage is if you'd complain about the AthlonXP1700+ firest |
| 04:12.32 | Borg^Queen | S3, yes I know |
| 04:12.37 | nvz | though I still say my friend's PIII Coppermine 966 runs faster than my CPU |
| 04:12.38 | Borg^Queen | There's a cold place in hell for that |
| 04:12.49 | Borg^Queen | Aye, |
| 04:13.24 | Borg^Queen | maxamillion: doesn't work |
| 04:13.39 | nvz | I cant't wait to see what I can do with this P4 |
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| 04:14.04 | nvz | might finally have something worth testing some new software on I've been waiting to check out |
| 04:14.06 | maxamillion | Borg^Queen: then i am personally at a loss .... if google doesn't know, i'm generally screwed |
| 04:14.12 | Ariel_Calzada | when i plug my headphones in the laptop the alsa don't quiet the speakers any idea? |
| 04:14.13 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 04:14.35 | Borg^Queen | Ariel_Calzada: sorry? |
| 04:14.35 | nvz | Ariel_Calzada: alsa is not suppose to |
| 04:15.17 | nvz | Ariel_Calzada: usually there is a switch in the headphone jack when the jack is plugged in it pushes the one contact up and into that groove on the end of the headphone jack and opens the circuit to the speakers |
| 04:15.22 | nvz | its relativly simple |
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| 04:15.49 | nvz | if they tried to save money by using all unswitched jacks and doing that in software then they are some stupid people |
| 04:16.04 | nvz | cheap bastards |
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| 04:16.48 | Borg^Queen | Thank Microsoft for that |
| 04:17.03 | hooya_ | anyone know why IE (6 and 7) would send HTTP/1.0 requests even when the 'SetEnv downgrade' is not set? some work find. but I'm seeing a lot of HTTP/1.0 from IE6 and IE7. thoughts? |
| 04:17.09 | nvz | I will thank Microsoft only if they commit suicide |
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| 04:17.12 | hooya_ | or did i get the answer |
| 04:17.21 | piper69 | !seen peterS |
| 04:17.21 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian, last said: 'bertoli: I think that will solve your problem entirely'. |
| 04:17.21 | Jerom576 | Saw peterS On #debian as of Mon Jun 11 19:54:37 2007 |
| 04:17.32 | nvz | Or start selling toasters and withdraw from the computer business |
| 04:17.40 | piper69 | peterS: are you here? |
| 04:18.06 | Guerin | piper69: he checks his away messages frequently, don't bug him |
| 04:18.19 | nvz | Actually they should create products like vaccumes that suck, and maybe things like air conditioners that blow, and don't work with windows open |
| 04:18.20 | hatter | wow, so many cool things with irc. is there somewhere where all the '!' commands can be seen ? |
| 04:18.53 | nvz | hatter: those arent commands. we have info(blootbots) in here that respond to certain triggers |
| 04:19.03 | nvz | hatter: dpkg, responds to his name or the ! trigger |
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| 04:19.08 | Guerin | !my factoids |
| 04:19.08 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 04:19.20 | hatter | Guerin, thx |
| 04:19.35 | Guerin | and that Jerom576 is someone else's unauthorised bot |
| 04:19.46 | Guerin | which appears to do nothing useful |
| 04:19.50 | Guerin | Jerom576: owner |
| 04:20.00 | Guerin | see, doesn't even identify itself |
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| 04:20.24 | piper69 | anyone know how i can hide my ip in irc |
| 04:20.31 | piper69 | i forgot how to do it |
| 04:20.35 | Guerin | piper69: why bother? |
| 04:20.38 | nvz | piper69: use a proxy or ask for a cloak |
| 04:20.46 | Guerin | piper69: you can ask in #freenode for a cloak |
| 04:21.22 | hatter | hmmm, have to wonder why you would want to hide your ip... ;) espionage ? |
| 04:21.34 | nav05 | I was trying to install JDK on Debian, there was a RPM package, so I used alien to install it. But it says in the doc that alien is experimental, is there another better way of installing jdk? |
| 04:21.40 | piper69 | Guerin: thanks |
| 04:21.43 | Guerin | hatter: i think mostly 1337n355 is the motivation |
| 04:21.43 | nvz | hatter: staff can still see your ip |
| 04:21.46 | smaug9 | ! |
| 04:21.54 | Borg^Queen | I give up, this hp webcam doesn't see to work |
| 04:21.57 | Supaplex | http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whocameupwiththisidioticthing.jpg |
| 04:22.04 | metbsd | does it work in windows? |
| 04:22.04 | Guerin | nav05: /msg dpkg java |
| 04:22.40 | Borg^Queen | well the machine it was on was a victim of a cluster virus with a package of over 2k viruses. |
| 04:22.42 | Simulator | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.42 | Borg^Queen | How knows |
| 04:22.45 | Borg^Queen | who |
| 04:22.53 | Borg^Queen | Poor Lenny |
| 04:22.58 | Borg^Queen | I think they said it did |
| 04:23.31 | Borg^Queen | I DLed the win98 drivers and tested out on Poor 3astard (my win98 machine) no go |
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| 04:23.55 | Borg^Queen | The only ID it has is pg088aa |
| 04:24.02 | Borg^Queen | which doesn't do much for google |
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| 04:24.20 | piper69 | hatter: you are in germany man |
| 04:24.22 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 04:24.54 | Azar | hehe |
| 04:24.56 | hatter | pipeline, omg. you are amazing. |
| 04:25.37 | Azar | maxamillion: here in the u.s. everyone is a honorable until proven otherwise |
| 04:25.51 | Borg^Queen | Not in G. Bush's america |
| 04:25.53 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:25.55 | maxamillion | Azar: i live in Texas ... i was unaware |
| 04:26.01 | Azar | maxamillion: err... correction (we consider everyone in the world honorable..) |
| 04:26.12 | maxamillion | Azar: yeah ... hardly |
| 04:26.17 | Azar | maxamillion: politically corect in california |
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| 04:26.28 | Borg^Queen | PC sux |
| 04:26.34 | Borg^Queen | Like this camera |
| 04:26.36 | Borg^Queen | >< |
| 04:26.51 | maxamillion | Azar: we "keep it real" here in Texas ... and we dis-owned that dumb shit g.w. |
| 04:27.29 | Borg^Queen | maxamillion: everyone I have ever met from Tx says they want to kill him. Why does he say he's Tx's first son? |
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| 04:27.33 | Azar | PC was not ment to function as an appliance originally... until the ms took over the world and changed the concept (because they know what the consumer needs} |
| 04:27.40 | stew | Borg^Queen: maxamillion: please keep it on-topic |
| 04:27.50 | maxamillion | Borg^Queen: i don't know, he wasn't even born here ... he's an effing transplant |
| 04:27.57 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 04:28.02 | Borg^Queen | ok Bush doesn't use Linux |
| 04:28.19 | maxamillion | Borg^Queen: well that's certain, you require a brain to use intelligent technology |
| 04:28.19 | rahul | I am stone of D. |
| 04:28.21 | Borg^Queen | there is no mention of the cam anywhere unless I want to buy it |
| 04:28.26 | Borg^Queen | then its not in stock |
| 04:28.29 | rahul | we got stoned as hell last night! |
| 04:28.32 | EmleyMoor | Just out of interest, are any of you lot going to Edinburgh on Saturday? |
| 04:28.32 | Borg^Queen | maxamillion: true |
| 04:28.37 | stew | rahul: please keep it on topic |
| 04:28.38 | maxamillion | Azar: you own a PowerPC machine? |
| 04:28.40 | Azar | rahul: where is stoned? |
| 04:28.48 | rahul | Azar: probably sleeping |
| 04:28.52 | Azar | maxamillion: no I rented an Emachine |
| 04:29.00 | Borg^Queen | Emachine???????? |
| 04:29.03 | Borg^Queen | GASP |
| 04:29.14 | Borg^Queen | The Ugo of computers |
| 04:29.33 | EmleyMoor | Borg^Queen: Do you mean Yugo? |
| 04:29.46 | Borg^Queen | Yes thanks |
| 04:29.46 | Azar | I am saving for a PC, got $85.00 so far in my piggy bank |
| 04:30.05 | Azar | mom and dad don't want to buy me a PC |
| 04:30.18 | Borg^Queen | Azar, every computer I own was built out of hundreds of others, tossed in the recycler |
| 04:30.21 | Borg^Queen | Hence the nick |
| 04:30.39 | maxamillion | lol |
| 04:30.39 | Azar | eh, I never had hundreds of others |
| 04:30.47 | Borg^Queen | parts |
| 04:30.49 | Borg^Queen | all parts |
| 04:30.53 | Azar | ya parts |
| 04:30.58 | Borg^Queen | My test machine is made of 82 other computers |
| 04:31.11 | Borg^Queen | :D |
| 04:31.11 | maxamillion | i used to build machines from parts of other people's machines that would die ... but then i finally got enough money to build one with all new parts :) |
| 04:31.27 | Azar | and how you got them? stole the parts? |
| 04:31.29 | maxamillion | Borg^Queen: there are 82 components in a computer? |
| 04:31.31 | Borg^Queen | maxamillion: I had on, but it was an AMD and one day, it burned... |
| 04:31.41 | Borg^Queen | maxamillion: on this one yes, hehehehehe |
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| 04:31.59 | Borg^Queen | scsi, multi HDs, video cards, nics |
| 04:32.02 | maxamillion | Azar: when friend's computers break, don't let them throw them away ... take them home and see what can be re-used |
| 04:32.09 | maxamillion | Borg^Queen: ah |
| 04:32.11 | Borg^Queen | there's no room in the case so some is hanging out |
| 04:32.24 | rahul | that's what she said |
| 04:32.24 | piper69 | when i reboot my laptop starting MTA takes like 5 min ...? is this is normal |
| 04:32.24 | EmleyMoor | I've made quite a bit of use of what others would have thrown away |
| 04:32.29 | Borg^Queen | maxamillion: exactly |
| 04:32.34 | Fjordside | how to reconfigure apt sources list? |
| 04:32.35 | rahul | although instead of case, it was skirt |
| 04:32.37 | maxamillion | piper69: no, not at all |
| 04:32.54 | EmleyMoor | piper69: Is your laptop connected to a network when that happens? |
| 04:33.02 | metbsd | lie to your friend that the broken computer is useless, and wait for them to be thrown and pick them right after |
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| 04:33.51 | Borg^Queen | metbsd: windows users are always tossing out their machine because it CAN"T be window |
| 04:34.03 | Borg^Queen | I'm a vulture |
| 04:34.08 | Azar | speaking of "takes like 5 min.." I read an interesting article today about the linux kernel getting slower as hard drive storage grow bigger... filesystem will have to change |
| 04:34.17 | maxamillion | metbsd: why not just say "hey, i'm a geek ... lemme chop that broken thing for parts, i'm sure there is something that isn't fried that i could re-use" ... most people won't care and just give it to you |
| 04:34.23 | EmleyMoor | When I acquire an old computer, I strip it of all parts I have use for, destroy anything I never want to encounter again and dump the rest at the Recycling Centre |
| 04:34.33 | piper69 | EmleyMoor: i just find out that it's not connected to my network |
| 04:34.52 | piper69 | hmmmmm |
| 04:34.52 | Borg^Queen | EmleyMoor: like wise |
| 04:34.55 | Azar | only that old memory cards are obsolete by now.. |
| 04:35.02 | maxamillion | piper69: what branch you running? |
| 04:35.06 | EmleyMoor | piper69: From experience, MTAs take time to start without network |
| 04:35.27 | Borg^Queen | My friends discribe my taking about a machine as a scene out of Night of the living dead |
| 04:35.34 | piper69 | maxamillion: etch, it was working fine untill i worked on my router , i think i messed something up |
| 04:35.36 | EmleyMoor | I've deliberately destroyed a few "utter crap" motherboards I've acquired |
| 04:35.37 | maxamillion | Borg^Queen: lol |
| 04:35.41 | metbsd | i used to install a netbsd router on a P100 old box, i picked it on the street |
| 04:36.00 | metbsd | only 32MB memory |
| 04:36.03 | maxamillion | piper69: ah, its possible that you changed the time zone on the router ... i have seen that complicate things |
| 04:36.26 | maxamillion | metbsd: i had that exact config on a freebsd box ... EDO ram :) |
| 04:36.45 | maxamillion | it has long since died, but i still have the cpu in a drawer somewhere |
| 04:36.50 | Azar | as the hardware changes with time, and drivers as well, newer linux kernels tend to comply with the changes.... older hardware will not work anymore with the newer kernels |
| 04:37.19 | EmleyMoor | The fault on my main box on Sunday I am still describing as a "near fire" |
| 04:37.21 | Borg^Queen | true |
| 04:37.37 | Borg^Queen | EmleyMoor: do tell? |
| 04:37.58 | metbsd | freebsd is not as good as netbsd |
| 04:38.10 | EmleyMoor | Power supply fan stopped, machine became unreliable and by the time I got to it, parts of the case were too hot to handle |
| 04:38.14 | Azar | I mean for a game of nethack, a links2 browser and a irssi irc session, yes, older hardware will be fine |
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| 04:39.04 | piper69 | maxamillion: hmmm...i just did /etc/init.d/networking restart and i got DHCPRELEASE on eth1 to 192.168.1.1 Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06)??? |
| 04:39.08 | Azar | just install a minimal debian woody and those 3 applications and you are good to go |
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| 04:40.40 | maxamillion | piper69: whoa ... no idea on that on, never seen anything like it |
| 04:40.59 | Borg^Queen | its looking for a wireless device |
| 04:41.06 | maxamillion | metbsd: why is freebsd not as good as netbsd? |
| 04:41.15 | Borg^Queen | or failing to make a connection on a wireless device? |
| 04:41.24 | Guerin | maxamillion: ask #netbsd |
| 04:41.35 | Azar | hehe hello mister Guerin! |
| 04:41.42 | Guerin | Azar: herro |
| 04:42.18 | Azar | research is cool... |
| 04:42.20 | Borg^Queen | can anyone recommend a webcam that will work on linux? |
| 04:42.20 | maxamillion | Guerin: i don't actually care that much, was just interested in his opinion |
| 04:42.28 | rahul | better yet, ask #freebsd |
| 04:42.28 | metbsd | netbsd is more clean than freebsd, more stable, more secure |
| 04:42.28 | maxamillion | Guerin: what kind of research? |
| 04:42.40 | metbsd | and netbsd support xen, freebsd does not |
| 04:43.03 | Azar | metbsd: let's talk some more debian... |
| 04:43.08 | metbsd | ok |
| 04:43.20 | metbsd | debian is stable linux, makes great server |
| 04:43.21 | maxamillion | debian dominates all |
| 04:43.29 | piper69 | jow do you do release and renew for IP in linux |
| 04:43.37 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 04:43.37 | dpkg | < koshnaranek> what are we going to do tonight, brain? < nvz> koshnaranek: same thing we do every night pinky, try to take over the world. |
| 04:43.49 | maxamillion | metbsd: i've agree with the server comment, but its been my primary desktop OS for over 7 years now with 0 complaints |
| 04:43.51 | Borg^Queen | service network restart |
| 04:44.03 | Azar | hehe mister tarzeau :) |
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| 04:44.09 | tarzeau | morning Azar |
| 04:44.20 | Guerin | maxamillion: since you ask, I'm researching symbolic party/personal politics in the context of the character assassination of a very powerful and long-standing leader frequently (hyperbolically) accused of being a dictatorial social engineer |
| 04:44.38 | Azar | Guerin: fun fun! |
| 04:44.46 | EmleyMoor | If I could build my own complete router using Debian, that would be cool |
| 04:44.50 | maxamillion | Guerin: sounds like an obsolute blast |
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| 04:45.04 | metbsd | the only complain to debian is the etch packages updating is not fast enough |
| 04:45.28 | EmleyMoor | stable does quickly become oldhat |
| 04:45.41 | Azar | metbsd: etch being the official stable release will not update but only security issues on its packages |
| 04:45.45 | maxamillion | metbsd: etch packages are frozen, only reason they will update is for security reason ... if you want a "rolling release" then stick with the testing branch |
| 04:45.53 | metbsd | but it's stable |
| 04:45.54 | Azar | what you install is what you get to live with |
| 04:45.59 | EmleyMoor | That does make it rock solid though |
| 04:46.09 | hark | Mao? |
| 04:46.10 | metbsd | so i'm going to recover bunch of debian 3.1 box |
| 04:46.16 | Azar | hahahaha hark! |
| 04:46.18 | metbsd | with knoppix |
| 04:46.56 | Guerin | maxamillion: basically, my whole thesis boils down to http://feayn.org/~lewis/clarkvader.jpeg and the caption: `Luke, I am your lesbian father!' |
| 04:47.09 | Azar | hahaha |
| 04:47.10 | maxamillion | Guerin: stellar |
| 04:47.31 | Guerin | hark: just one of the people she's compared to; the main one is Stalin. |
| 04:48.06 | Azar | Guerin: there are plenty of proeminent figures, all depends is on your mood, taste, ..etc |
| 04:48.25 | Guerin | quite |
| 04:48.26 | Borg^Queen | ok well boys, thanks |
| 04:48.37 | Borg^Queen | looks like its crap on a string |
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| 04:49.14 | ftp3 | I just installed deb 4.x on a new box.. when i type: apt-get install update it says: E: Couldn't find package update |
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| 04:49.31 | sigp239 | how would I go about using some kind of virtualization software to load up a windows xp partition from within debian? |
| 04:49.35 | EmleyMoor | ftp3: Try apt-get update |
| 04:49.41 | ftp3 | thanks |
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| 04:50.04 | EmleyMoor | aptitude update is also supported |
| 04:50.05 | aptitude | EmleyMoor: okay |
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| 04:50.17 | maxamillion | lol |
| 04:50.23 | EmleyMoor | Oh heck, we have a bot called aptitude? |
| 04:50.28 | maxamillion | i love aptitude |
| 04:50.32 | maxamillion | the prog and the bot |
| 04:50.36 | maxamillion | EmleyMoor: apparently |
| 04:50.40 | Azar | interesting package, an editor based on the xtree, ytree concept: TreeLine: a versatile tree-like structured custom data manager |
| 04:50.53 | Azar | http://debaday.debian.net/2007/06/10/treeline-a-versatile-tree-like-structured-custom-data-manager/ |
| 04:51.25 | rahul | Azar: sounds like XML, just worse |
| 04:51.26 | Azar | alas it requires a desktop i guess |
| 04:51.40 | Azar | rahul: ever used xtree or ytree? |
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| 04:51.52 | rahul | not that I know of |
| 04:51.59 | rahul | oih god |
| 04:52.07 | rahul | this really is a bad XML-alike |
| 04:52.14 | Azar | xtree was for old dos, ytree is its clone, some sort of file manager poor relative of mc |
| 04:52.24 | rahul | bad/worse/whatever |
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| 04:54.51 | Feto | is there any advantage of aptitude install pkg over apt-get install pkg? |
| 04:54.53 | Feto | ort viceversa? |
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| 04:55.05 | rahul | aptitude is smarter |
| 04:55.24 | rahul | and it has a UI you can use to manually resolve conflicts |
| 04:55.50 | Azar | and has a game too |
| 04:55.54 | Azar | :) |
| 04:55.56 | maxamillion | lol |
| 04:55.57 | Feto | hahah |
| 04:56.03 | karsten | !aptitude |
| 04:56.03 | dpkg | aptitude is a modern frontend to libapt. For the most part, you can use it as a drop in replacement for apt-get. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> and install aptitude-doc-en (or the aptitude-doc-* package appropriate for your locale), or see http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Aptitude_-_using_together_with_Synaptic_and_Apt-get |
| 04:56.06 | maxamillion | and it talks back to you when you do stupid things ;) |
| 04:56.09 | Azar | can't remember which but it does have a game |
| 04:56.09 | Feto | but i'm talking about the "install" functionality |
| 04:56.17 | mmlj4 | yeah, and a hose-your-system easter egg |
| 04:56.18 | maxamillion | !why aptitude |
| 04:56.18 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 04:56.19 | Feto | regardless of al lthe other stuff aptitude has |
| 04:56.25 | maxamillion | !why not aptitude |
| 04:56.25 | dpkg | aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. |
| 04:56.54 | maxamillion | aptitude is buggy? ... only thing i have ever noticed is its etch man page being borked |
| 04:57.04 | karsten | Feto: The cli interface is nearly identical. There's functionality (read the referenced link) which aptitude lacks, some of it very, very useful in the saves-your-ass sort of way. |
| 04:57.15 | Feto | oh |
| 04:57.21 | karsten | maxamillion: Read that bug. IIRC I filed it. |
| 04:57.22 | Feto | okay |
| 04:57.56 | Azar | Feto: read this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
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| 04:58.16 | Feto | thanks |
| 04:58.17 | Azar | oh karsten hi, sorry didn't see your reply |
| 04:58.17 | maxamillion | karsten: i will go read it |
| 04:58.19 | Feto | >) |
| 04:58.41 | Azar | well people use apt-get, others use aptitude, taste, but don't MIX them |
| 04:59.00 | Alam_Debian | and what if you do? |
| 04:59.04 | sigp239 | what about apt-get and synaptic? |
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| 04:59.21 | karsten | Azar: ... though for 'clean' and 'autoclean' they're equivalent ;-) |
| 04:59.41 | Azar | Alam_Debian: for example, you can't install with aptitude then uninstall with apt-get or viceversa because one does not know what the other installed / uninstalled |
| 04:59.44 | Guerin | bah ... the undervolting seems to have not worked |
| 04:59.48 | karsten | maxamillion: aptitude install reportbug; querybts <bugnumber|package> |
| 04:59.58 | Alam_Debian | it does |
| 05:00.03 | Guerin | guess I'll head back to the defaults |
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| 05:00.09 | Azar | Alam_Debian: the left hand does not know what the right hand did... sort of an example |
| 05:00.49 | Azar | Alam_Debian: nope, I had experienced myself hiccups on both, apt-get and aptitude when they did not "see" the package I needed to remove |
| 05:01.02 | maxamillion | karsten: i just looked it up on bugs.debian.org |
| 05:01.25 | karsten | maxamillion: That too. |
| 05:01.27 | maxamillion | karsten: that's rather interesting, but i actually don't mess with the UI ... on the cli mode of aptitude |
| 05:01.40 | Azar | Alam_Debian: test it yourself: install some package (game for example) with aptitude, then try to remove it with apt-get |
| 05:01.48 | Alam_Debian | no, they do seem to keep track if I install it by itself or by depend, "apt-get install youtube-dl" then going to aptutude see that youtube-dl was installed by "a depend" and set it for auto remove |
| 05:01.54 | karsten | maxamillion: Aptitude's interactive mode is pretty damned useful, actually. |
| 05:02.04 | maxamillion | karsten: i used the UI once and its nice, but it wasn't my cup of tea ... i prefer just straight command line package management |
| 05:02.10 | karsten | maxamillion: ... the more so if you're familiar with (and like) vim and mutt. |
| 05:02.27 | karsten | maxamillion: There's times when what you want is to hunt through stuff. It's there, if you want it. |
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| 05:03.33 | maxamillion | karsten: ah, ok ... i never got into it in much depth, i started off on debian using apt-get and then as i read about aptitude's advantages, the transition just happened within the command line... but yes, i think i will have to look more into the UI |
| 05:03.34 | Azar | Alam_Debian: a very good example: I have installed my X using apt-get. Later on, learned about aptitude and started using it all the time. When the security package came in for xserver-xfree86, I also used aptitude. Long story short, aptitude kept telling me that xserver-xfree86 is not used, therefore will be removed :) |
| 05:03.57 | Alam_Debian | auto-depend! |
| 05:04.04 | karsten | maxamillion: IMO it repays experimentation with generous interest. |
| 05:04.14 | Azar | well yes but back in the days... I did not know.. :) |
| 05:06.18 | sigp239 | how would I go about using some kind of virtualization software to load up a windows xp partition from within debian? |
| 05:06.54 | karsten | sigp239: install virtualization SW. Configure it to boot said partition. |
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| 05:07.07 | karsten | sigp239: Refer to docs for that virtualization solution. Which did you have in mind? |
| 05:07.56 | sigp239 | karsten: I'm new to this subject so I was hoping for some suggestions that are free. |
| 05:08.11 | sigp239 | and that work well |
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| 05:08.50 | karsten | sigp239: qemu's your best bet, I suspect. There's going to be pretty significant overhead though. |
| 05:09.18 | karsten | sigp239: Xen's an option on VT HW from Intel or AMD. VMWare or Parallels may be the best performance option. |
| 05:09.19 | GreaseMonkey | qemu's still pretty damn good though |
| 05:09.29 | sigp239 | it's ok I have 2GB of ram and an intel core 2 dueo e6600 |
| 05:09.44 | sigp239 | karsten: what is xen? |
| 05:09.46 | GreaseMonkey | 10% clock rate is better than DOSBox and Bochs |
| 05:09.55 | Guerin | if you seriously expect to do any heavy lifting in virtualisation, you're delusional anyhow |
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| 05:09.57 | karsten | GreaseMonkey: Does kqemu speed Windows as well as Linux, and/or is kqemu in Debian (free) yet? |
| 05:10.29 | GreaseMonkey | i'm not sure, but even without kqemu, the emulation's pretty fast |
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| 05:10.32 | karsten | !xen |
| 05:10.44 | karsten | Feh. |
| 05:10.46 | sigp239 | Guerin: No I just want to be able to run a couple apps that I can't get working in linux (my webcam voice+video) |
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| 05:10.55 | aubade | My optical drive keeps swapping from /dev/hda to /dev/hde after boots, would it be safe to have fstab entries for both with the same mounting point or any other ideas? |
| 05:10.56 | karsten | sigp239: Google is your firend. |
| 05:11.07 | karsten | aubade: Same kernel? |
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| 05:11.22 | Guerin | sigp239: video and audio encoding constitutes `heavy lifting' |
| 05:11.33 | sigp239 | Guerin: no not encoding |
| 05:11.43 | sigp239 | Guerin: I don't think so anyway. |
| 05:11.47 | aubade | Yeah, 2.6.18-4-686. |
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| 05:11.52 | Guerin | sigp239: if you're sending as well as receiving, then you're encoding |
| 05:12.00 | sigp239 | Guerin: roger |
| 05:12.16 | karsten | Guerin: Xen can handle heavy lifting, paravirtualized. Just not too much all at once. |
| 05:12.37 | aubade | I could be mistaken, I had a bit of trouble with my install script and had both the 486 and 686 images installed but was pretty sure I've been using just the 686 for the past week. Does raise a good point. lol |
| 05:12.43 | Guerin | yeh, but across differen OSen? |
| 05:12.52 | karsten | Guerin: You talkin' at me? |
| 05:12.56 | Guerin | karsten: 1 |
| 05:13.07 | karsten | Guerin: 1 is true and 0 is false, right? |
| 05:13.13 | Guerin | karsten: 1 |
| 05:13.39 | karsten | Guerin: Sure. So long as the OSen are capable of being paravitualized. Right now that mostly means Linux or BSD. |
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| 05:13.44 | karsten | (Free). |
| 05:13.48 | Guerin | right |
| 05:14.11 | karsten | Guerin: .. though there's some experimental-only code that does this for ntkernal as well. |
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| 05:18.05 | Feto | E: Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 05:18.09 | Feto | am I spelling the package wrong? |
| 05:18.10 | Feto | :( |
| 05:18.13 | karsten | !tell Feto about search |
| 05:18.15 | furrywolf | karsten: well duh. does anyone not? :) |
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| 05:18.34 | karsten | furrywolf: I'd like to have you know ... |
| 05:18.39 | lambda_ | Feto, apt-get source linux-image(...) |
| 05:18.43 | karsten | furrywolf: ... stating the obvious *is* my job description. |
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| 05:19.20 | ErichK | What is a good p2p besides Frostwire? |
| 05:20.00 | sigp239 | can QEMU run an OS from a partition, or does it only use disk images? |
| 05:20.06 | karsten | sigp239: Yes. |
| 05:21.06 | sigp239 | karsten: yes to the first and no to the second? |
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| 05:21.13 | karsten | Yes. |
| 05:21.53 | karsten | sigp239: You can boot partitions, images, or IIRC a designated directory tree. |
| 05:23.37 | sigp239 | karsten: think I should use the debian qemu package (version 0.8.2) or download and compile the latest source from the website (version 0.9.0) |
| 05:23.48 | karsten | sigp239: *shrug* |
| 05:23.53 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.54 | karsten | sigp239: I'd start w/ the packaged instance. |
| 05:23.57 | sigp239 | yea |
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| 05:24.11 | karsten | Rprp: Got a question in there? |
| 05:25.23 | Feto | oh thanks |
| 05:25.48 | Feto | but lambda_ isn't that the binary? |
| 05:25.51 | Feto | i already got that |
| 05:25.54 | Feto | i want the sources now.. |
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| 05:33.11 | rahul | zomg |
| 05:33.14 | sigp239 | qemu is confusing! |
| 05:33.26 | karsten | sigp239: Not really, once you grok it. |
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| 05:33.31 | karsten | sigp239: What's the issue? |
| 05:33.31 | rahul | !be a qemu barbie |
| 05:33.31 | dpkg | Aww, qemu is HARD! Let's go shopping, rahul |
| 05:33.39 | karsten | !be a rahul barbie |
| 05:33.40 | dpkg | Aww, rahul is HARD! Let's go shopping, karsten |
| 05:33.45 | rahul | heh. |
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| 05:33.55 | rahul | that's what she said |
| 05:33.55 | karsten | dpkg never lies. |
| 05:34.10 | rahul | in her skirt hiked up to her ass |
| 05:34.14 | sigp239 | karsten: I have no idea where to begin...I have it installed. |
| 05:34.19 | rahul | god. that's all I can see today. |
| 05:34.38 | sigp239 | and I see there is a new 'qemu' command |
| 05:34.44 | rahul | I need to find an outfit that can compete with her |
| 05:34.47 | karsten | sigp239: Basic invocation: qemu -hda <file> |
| 05:34.52 | rahul | wait, I can wear her. |
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| 05:36.03 | karsten | sigp239: You specify the drive(s) to use, you can point to a CDROM (real or image), specify what device to boot, and configure memory. You can also specify whether or not you get a graphics session or not (you can interact via serial / screen through ptys if you wish). |
| 05:36.12 | sigp239 | qemu: could not open hard disk image '/dev/sda1' |
| 05:36.19 | xterm | hello, can some body can to tellme how Can I protect my system Vs a fork bomb??? |
| 05:36.36 | karsten | sigp239: Does your user have write perms to /dev/sda1? |
| 05:36.40 | rahul | xterm: don't give acocunts to abusive users |
| 05:36.47 | Feto | i still get sugested .18 |
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| 05:36.49 | karsten | xterm: ulimits. |
| 05:36.50 | Feto | no -4 |
| 05:36.59 | sigp239 | karsten: prolly not |
| 05:37.06 | sigp239 | karsten: i should try root huh? |
| 05:37.14 | karsten | sigp239: No. |
| 05:37.22 | karsten | sigp239: I'd suggest testing with an image file for starters. |
| 05:37.24 | xterm | and... what's a bunny bomb??? I geegle this but I dont get any intresting results |
| 05:37.32 | karsten | sigp239: d/l damnsmalllinux or similar. |
| 05:38.21 | sigp239 | karsten: I don't follow... |
| 05:39.00 | sigp239 | are there pre-made qemu images? |
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| 05:39.16 | karsten | sigp239: Yes. |
| 05:39.31 | karsten | sigp239: You can boot pretty much any disk image that you want, though. |
| 05:39.47 | karsten | sigp239: And starting with a bootable CD, say, is a nice safe way to learn the basics of invocation. |
| 05:39.59 | sigp239 | damnsmalllinux just works out well cuz it's...well...damn small hehe |
| 05:40.01 | karsten | sigp239: DSL ~= 50MB to D/L. Just save it to disk. |
| 05:40.05 | karsten | Right. |
| 05:40.15 | xterm | and... what's a bunny bomb??? I google this but I dont get any intresting results |
| 05:40.29 | karsten | Then: qemu -cdrom dsl.img -boot d |
| 05:40.48 | karsten | xterm: The countermeasure is the Holy Hand Grenade. |
| 05:41.00 | sigp239 | don't see DSL image on their website |
| 05:41.12 | sigp239 | http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/download.html |
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| 05:41.30 | karsten | sigp239: Get it from DSL |
| 05:41.35 | karsten | !dsl |
| 05:41.36 | dpkg | well, dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 05:44.21 | sigp239 | karsten: I see dsl iso files...is that what I want? |
| 05:44.46 | sigp239 | I don't see any dsl img files |
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| 05:46.46 | qiyong | !mailbox |
| 05:47.04 | karsten | sigp239: Sorry, system crash. |
| 05:47.12 | karsten | sigp239: Yes. |
| 05:47.22 | sigp239 | karsten: download the .iso ? |
| 05:47.26 | karsten | Yes |
| 05:47.29 | sigp239 | ok |
| 05:47.46 | karsten | sigp239: Become a bit more adventurous and self supporting. I'm going offline shortly. |
| 05:48.26 | ErichK | Heh |
| 05:48.28 | sigp239 | roger that |
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| 05:57.45 | karsten | !@#$%^&*() f*cking RHEL4 keeps trashing my !@#$%^&*() screen sessions |
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| 05:57.46 | karsten | OK, if there's a handle open to a file but it's deleted, and you recreate it, does the file work again? |
| 05:57.46 | karsten | I've got a bunch of screen processes hanging around, but the socket files don't exist. |
| 05:57.46 | karsten | And no, this isn't strictly a Debian question. |
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| 05:57.48 | karsten | feh |
| 05:57.49 | amphi | karsten: I would doubt it; if the handle is open, it should still work for the program that opened it, while being otherwise invisible, is my understanding |
| 05:57.49 | mkl1525 | Hi, trying to install php4-domxml on a sarge. but apt-get wants to uninstall "libapache2-mod-php4 php4-mysql" and install "apache-common libapache-mod-php4" (and others) so does anybody know why the package won't run with apache2? any suggestions how to get domxml with apache2? |
| 05:57.49 | karsten | amphi: If there's a pty, there's a way. |
| 05:57.49 | karsten | amphi: I'll wrestle with it later. |
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| 05:58.15 | Guerin | mkl1525: look at the conflicts: and depends: lines in aptitude show php4-domxml |
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| 05:59.02 | Guerin | mkl1525: the reason may be found in a readme.debian file or somesuch |
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| 05:59.53 | mkl1525 | Guerin, thanks for the hint will have a look |
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| 06:03.15 | osrc_server_expe | i m trying to apt-get install libyaz-dev but it says couldn't find package? |
| 06:03.19 | osrc_server_expe | any clues? |
| 06:03.38 | mkl1525 | Guerin, no conflicts for the packet and depends on "Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.18), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), phpapi-20050606+lfs, php4-common (= 6:4.4.4-8+etch3)" so nothing why to use apache v1 |
| 06:03.43 | osrc_server_expe | its debian 4.0 |
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| 06:05.06 | pearl | good morning |
| 06:05.20 | pearl | with which tool can i find out keycodes of multimedia keyboards? |
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| 06:07.41 | osrc_server_expe | i m trying to apt-get install libyaz-dev but it says couldn't find package? |
| 06:07.59 | infernal_jesus | osrc_server_expe: then it can't find the package |
| 06:08.11 | infernal_jesus | what repositories do you have in sources.list? |
| 06:08.26 | osrc_server_expe | just the debians main one |
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| 06:08.39 | osrc_server_expe | but it seems like previously debian used to have that |
| 06:08.40 | x-Dieu | try libyaz2-dev, osrc_server_expe |
| 06:09.10 | osrc_server_expe | is there a way to search repositories with regular expressions? something like yum search |
| 06:09.19 | infernal_jesus | osrc_server_expe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
| 06:09.37 | osrc_server_expe | x-Dieu: That did it thanx |
| 06:09.43 | osrc_server_expe | infernal_jesus: thanx for the tip as well |
| 06:09.49 | infernal_jesus | np :) |
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| 06:11.56 | ErichK | Anyone know a good p2p besides Frostwire? |
| 06:12.25 | Guerin | ErichK: bittorrent is the only p2p worth using itd&a |
| 06:12.32 | Guerin | !sed cheats |
| 06:12.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sed cheats is see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line52.txt |
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| 06:12.50 | MoDaX | ErichK: bitorrent, ed2k |
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| 06:16.10 | ErichK | Cheers |
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| 06:16.34 | osrc_server_expe | do we have a replacement of chkconfig in debian? |
| 06:16.41 | Guerin | !red hat tools |
| 06:16.42 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. in more recent debian versions /etc/init.d/rc.local exists, see the script for more info |
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| 06:17.22 | troy- | Guerin, this tutorial explains what i watned to accomplish earlier: http://riseuplabs.org/grimoire//storage/encryption/dmcrypt/?auth=logout |
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| 06:19.08 | Master_Medic | when i plug in a pcmcia card and i do dmesg | tail i get this |
| 06:19.20 | Master_Medic | cs: pcmcia_socket0: cardbus cards are not supported |
| 06:19.26 | Master_Medic | is there a way to get support for them? |
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| 06:21.53 | basanta | my installer can't access /var/cache/apt/ |
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| 06:23.48 | user1_ | why not |
| 06:23.50 | basanta | what is pkgcache.bin file for |
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| 06:26.12 | Sazpaimon | alright so how do I install sun-java5-plugin on amd64 |
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| 06:29.33 | MolePrince | !ver |
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| 06:30.15 | Guerin | fuckity damn and bastards |
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| 06:30.55 | Guerin | so undervolting just locks my stinkpad up hard, and for some reason this kernel won't allow me to resume either |
| 06:31.00 | Guerin | grrr |
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| 06:31.29 | amphi | Guerin: you undervolted too much? ;) |
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| 06:31.47 | MolePrince | !ver |
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| 06:31.51 | MolePrince | !versions |
| 06:32.12 | Guerin | amphi: i'm 32mv above the known-good for this cpu at every step |
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| 06:32.22 | Guerin | so I don't think so, but that's certainly the symptom |
| 06:32.58 | Guerin | i haven't time to test it properly now |
| 06:33.05 | amphi | Guerin: AFAIK, the safe minimum voltage for each freq is specific to each processor (chip, not model) |
| 06:33.21 | Guerin | amphi: oh, to each physical hunk of silicon? |
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| 06:33.46 | amphi | Guerin: I used mprime in torture mode to find the stable voltage at each freq |
| 06:33.47 | dkk2 | how do debian people study for the RHEL exams? |
| 06:33.50 | amphi | Guerin: yeah |
| 06:33.53 | Guerin | this cpu is mine. there are many others like it, but this one is mine. (etc.)? |
| 06:34.08 | Guerin | dkk2: generally they don't, because RHEL exams are for tools. |
| 06:34.30 | dkk2 | ok |
| 06:34.46 | Guerin | amphi: what cpu, and which patchset did you use? |
| 06:34.49 | dkk2 | is debian used widely in big enterprise? |
| 06:35.11 | Guerin | dkk2: is any linux widely used in big enterprise? |
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| 06:35.33 | dkk2 | Guerin: I thought RHEL was used pretty widely? |
| 06:35.44 | amphi | Guerin: 1.6GHz pentium m dothan, and the patch from here, currently: https://www.dedigentoo.org/trac/linux-phc/wiki |
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| 06:35.52 | Guerin | dkk2: not really. |
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| 06:36.14 | amphi | Guerin: I use the same freq/voltage pairs I did with a different patch previously |
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| 06:36.38 | dkk2 | i was thinking about removing my debian installations and replacing them with fedora because it would help me learn more about whats more widely used |
| 06:36.54 | Guerin | amphi: ok, cool. Mine is a 1.5 banias, I used that patchset also. Did you use the init script, or hard-code it? |
| 06:37.03 | amphi | Guerin: FWIW, the default freq/voltage pairs here were "600000:988,800000:1068,1000000:1132,1200000:1212,1400000:1276,1600000:1340" |
| 06:37.04 | Guerin | dkk2: haha |
| 06:37.16 | dkk2 | ? |
| 06:37.25 | Guerin | dkk2: fedora is about as similar to RHEL as it is to debian |
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| 06:37.40 | amphi | Guerin: and my custom pairs are thus: "600000:700,800000:732,1000000:796,1200000:876,1400000:956,1600000:1052" |
| 06:37.41 | sep | dkk2, there are organizations that can help you with your urge to inflict pain on yourself |
| 06:37.54 | Guerin | dkk2: if you really want to learn RHEL, without paying the $, probably use centos |
| 06:37.58 | amphi | Guerin: that might be my init script ;) |
| 06:38.00 | dkk2 | i dont like the idea of installing fedora at all but if its for education maybe thats the way to go?! |
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| 06:38.24 | Guerin | dkk2: diversity is a good thing. I'd hate to run it as my main box, though. |
| 06:38.54 | dkk2 | maybe i should keep everything debian etch and use xen to test out other distros |
| 06:39.12 | dkk2 | im not sure how etch performs with xen |
| 06:39.44 | amphi | Guerin: is this the init script you mean? http://pastebin.ca/560831 |
| 06:40.27 | Guerin | amphi: yes, it ships with linux-phc |
| 06:40.55 | Guerin | amphi: i shall start at the default and work down, then instead of starting at the bottom and working up ;) |
| 06:41.53 | amphi | Guerin: yeah, that's mine; I should probably have added a comment that the custom voltage values should be discovered empirically on each machine |
| 06:42.03 | amphi | ;) |
| 06:42.43 | dkk2 | what laptop would you buy out choose out of New Range Apple Macbook Pro or a Lenovo Thinkpad T60 ? |
| 06:42.45 | amphi | the ones in the script are just the ones that happen to work on my machine |
| 06:43.54 | amphi | Guerin: on some chips it may not be possible to undervolt at all; others may be stable at lower voltages than mine can use; it seems to be pure chance |
| 06:44.06 | infernal_jesus | dkk: Thinkpad :) |
| 06:44.13 | infernal_jesus | dkk2: The Thinkpad :D |
| 06:44.48 | Guerin | dkk2: thirded |
| 06:45.41 | amphi | fourthed |
| 06:45.52 | dkk2 | havent the Thinkpads gone down in quality since IBM stopped making them? |
| 06:46.34 | infernal_jesus | dkk2: no.. |
| 06:46.36 | dkk2 | this is one of the toughest decisions ive ever had to make |
| 06:46.42 | infernal_jesus | the specs I elieve are still IBM's |
| 06:46.48 | infernal_jesus | *believe |
| 06:46.48 | dkk2 | ok |
| 06:46.56 | infernal_jesus | and it's still called an IBM Thinkpad :) |
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| 06:47.00 | dkk2 | yes |
| 06:47.37 | infernal_jesus | all laptops are made in china anyways |
| 06:47.39 | infernal_jesus | or taiwan |
| 06:47.41 | Guerin | amphi: ok, it does appear to be functional, just not at the voltages I chose |
| 06:47.44 | infernal_jesus | or some place like that |
| 06:47.53 | amphi | dkk2: I believe lenovo made them for ibm for a long time |
| 06:48.09 | Guerin | i'm not sure about the quality of lenovo gear |
| 06:48.14 | himmelstrutz22 | http://pastebin.ca/560842 <-- please help me. I am in a case 22 scenario. I need to install the kernel 2.6.1* but complaints that I haven't installed libc6_2 -- and when I try to intall libc6_2 it complaints that I haven't installed 2.6.1!! |
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| 06:48.23 | DGnome | Hi, I have 4GB ram in a Xeon machine and only 3.2GB are usable, I've seen the same thing on a c2d based machine. Do I need to use a bigmem kernel or is it just eten up by the system? |
| 06:48.26 | Guerin | but while IBM is allwing them to use the thinkpad brand, i reckon they're going to stay good |
| 06:48.53 | infernal_jesus | DGnome: there's an option in the kernel for 4GB or more ram |
| 06:48.58 | Guerin | DGnome: the former, and you need a 64-bit OS for it to all be accessible to a single process |
| 06:49.19 | Guerin | DGnome: all debian 686 and newer kernels have bigmem built in |
| 06:49.29 | amphi | DGnome: CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G |
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| 06:50.05 | DGnome | infernal_jesus: so for 4GB we allready need a bigmem kernel? |
| 06:50.08 | amphi | Guerin: only CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G |
| 06:50.17 | Guerin | amphi: that's enough for him. |
| 06:50.31 | amphi | DGnome: you need CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G for anything over 786-odd MB |
| 06:50.46 | DGnome | okay, thank you :) |
| 06:51.13 | dkk2 | the Thinkpad T60 uses Intel Graphics, the new Apple Macbook Pro uses GeForce 8600M GT. Isnt it better to use Geforce for graphics in linux rather than intel? |
| 06:51.28 | infernal_jesus | dkk2: I have intel gma945 in this laptop |
| 06:51.29 | Guerin | amphi: ok, how to change the current cpu speed manually to a particular step? |
| 06:51.33 | dkk2 | especially if i was to run beryl etc |
| 06:51.38 | infernal_jesus | dkk2: and it works fine |
| 06:51.39 | infernal_jesus | ok |
| 06:51.40 | infernal_jesus | *oh |
| 06:51.56 | amphi | Guerin: use the userspace cpufreq governator |
| 06:52.03 | infernal_jesus | beryl is quite hard to get working on intel integrated |
| 06:52.12 | infernal_jesus | although it does have OpenGL support |
| 06:52.36 | jelly-home | infernal_jesus: on a i195GM, it just worked. Was a bit slow. |
| 06:52.43 | jelly-home | i915GM |
| 06:53.00 | dkk2 | i bet beryl would work slick with a GeForce 8600M GT |
| 06:53.20 | dkk2 | but theres more to life than beryl.. |
| 06:53.20 | infernal_jesus | dkk2: of course it would :) |
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| 06:53.53 | infernal_jesus | dkk2: I don't even use beryl, I don't need it |
| 06:53.53 | amphi | dkk2: beryl works fone on my mobility radeon 7500 ;) |
| 06:54.22 | amphi | er, fine |
| 06:54.48 | jelly-home | dkk2: intel's drivers are free, fwiw |
| 06:54.53 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:55.20 | amphi | dkk2: that's using the xorg radeon driver, not the evil blob thing |
| 06:56.05 | dkk2 | to hell with it, ill buy a Apple Macbook Pro now and in the future ill get a thinkpad as a 2nd laptop |
| 06:56.18 | jelly-home | dkk2: but if you're going to buy a Mac, why not just run OSX on it? |
| 06:56.27 | infernal_jesus | dkk2: two laptops |
| 06:56.28 | dkk2 | yes a lot of people say that |
| 06:56.34 | infernal_jesus | jelly-home has a point |
| 06:56.37 | dkk2 | but the price of the macbook pro and thinkpad are similar |
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| 06:56.44 | dkk2 | so why not buy a mac and have OS X and Linux |
| 06:56.52 | infernal_jesus | dual boot? |
| 06:56.55 | dkk2 | yes |
| 06:56.56 | infernal_jesus | that seems reasonable |
| 06:57.02 | infernal_jesus | but mac os x, I hear/see is really good |
| 06:57.06 | infernal_jesus | and based on unix :) |
| 06:57.11 | dkk2 | yes thats right |
| 06:57.12 | amphi | dkk2: why not have a 3-button trackpoint? ;) |
| 06:57.16 | dkk2 | lol |
| 06:57.18 | tarzeau | infernal_jesus: it's good yes |
| 06:57.20 | simonrvn | why couldn't they update all the apt stuff at once? *sigh* |
| 06:57.22 | jelly-home | s/based on/is a/ |
| 06:57.25 | tarzeau | infernal_jesus: it's good because of cocoa |
| 06:57.30 | simonrvn | shit happens *grin* |
| 06:57.32 | infernal_jesus | tarzeau: cocoa? |
| 06:57.36 | tarzeau | jelly-home: just like NeXTSTEP was a unix too |
| 06:57.36 | krazykit | more laptops need the eraser-head mouse :-( |
| 06:57.44 | tarzeau | infernal_jesus: a programming API |
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| 06:57.45 | jelly-home | tarzeau: right! |
| 06:57.50 | amphi | krazykit: I agree - I loathe trackpads |
| 06:57.56 | tarzeau | jelly-home: with bsd, and binaries in /etc :) |
| 06:58.02 | tarzeau | jelly-home: which wasn't *that* good |
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| 06:58.19 | infernal_jesus | tarzeau: oh |
| 06:58.23 | dkk2 | i would be nice having the option to boot into OS X to use multimedia applications like Photoshop, Flash etc when needs be |
| 06:58.34 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 06:58.44 | tarzeau | dkk2: adobe and macromedia suck |
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| 06:58.50 | jelly-home | tarzeau: whatever, even debian still has user-runnable programs in funny places like /usr/sbin |
| 06:58.51 | amphi | how is photoshop 'multimedia'? |
| 06:58.55 | tarzeau | amphi: it's not |
| 06:58.56 | infernal_jesus | tarzeau: I have to disagree :) |
| 06:58.57 | dkk2 | i prefer photoshop than gimp |
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| 06:59.05 | tarzeau | jelly-home: yes and /usr/lib |
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| 06:59.11 | infernal_jesus | photoshop is better than gimp.. :) |
| 06:59.16 | dkk2 | yes |
| 06:59.20 | tarzeau | infernal_jesus: stop trolling |
| 06:59.20 | savvas | is there an application that keeps a log of time change? my software time seems to time shift forward (looks like seconds go faster than normal) |
| 06:59.23 | dkk2 | especallay when using layers |
| 06:59.24 | infernal_jesus | photoshop doesn't go for $700 for nothing |
| 06:59.29 | infernal_jesus | tarzeau: I'm not trolling |
| 06:59.36 | infernal_jesus | I'm just comparing the two things |
| 06:59.40 | troy- | people pay for photoshop? |
| 06:59.43 | tarzeau | infernal_jesus: without arguments |
| 06:59.48 | tarzeau | infernal_jesus: you're just saying a is better than b |
| 06:59.49 | jelly-home | infernal_jesus: elements is reasonably cheap, innit |
| 06:59.52 | tarzeau | troy-: yes |
| 06:59.55 | krazykit | actually, i'm interested in Pixel, since it's multiplatform |
| 06:59.58 | simonrvn | just because it costs a lot doesn't mean it's good |
| 07:00.00 | troy- | i dont know anyone that actually paid for it |
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| 07:00.04 | tarzeau | jelly-home: cheap is different than free software |
| 07:00.12 | krazykit | troy-, i do. |
| 07:00.13 | tarzeau | simonrvn: but then it doesn't mean to opposit either |
| 07:00.17 | infernal_jesus | adobe/macromedia are unmatched (so far)... :) |
| 07:00.20 | tarzeau | simonrvn: software that cost can be good too |
| 07:00.24 | jelly-home | tarzeau: I know they're orthogonal. |
| 07:00.33 | tarzeau | infernal_jesus: what does it have to do with debian? |
| 07:00.48 | dkk2 | haha true, back to debian |
| 07:00.55 | infernal_jesus | I don't know it's just a discussion, chill, if it bothers you so much I'll stop :) |
| 07:01.06 | simonrvn | it's OT |
| 07:01.07 | tarzeau | yes it does. thank you for stopping |
| 07:01.14 | infernal_jesus | np |
| 07:01.37 | savvas | does anyone know how to log time change?! a daemon.. or something? :p |
| 07:01.42 | dkk2 | debian or fedora, another seriously hard decision i have to make |
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| 07:01.48 | infernal_jesus | dkk2: debian :) |
| 07:01.53 | tarzeau | dkk2: why? |
| 07:01.56 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 07:01.56 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
| 07:02.00 | tarzeau | dkk2: debian has much more software |
| 07:02.03 | amphi | dkk2: you joke |
| 07:02.09 | Guerin | amphi: and when running under usperspace, it won't change it unless I say so? |
| 07:02.09 | tarzeau | dkk2: and the package management is far superior |
| 07:02.14 | savvas | dkk2: you have ubuntu as well |
| 07:02.29 | krazykit | pff. debian's better. |
| 07:02.29 | dkk2 | one day id like to be a junior linux administrator and to do that i need to choose a distro what would help me the most and fedora seems like the way to go because of the Redhat influence |
| 07:02.46 | himmelstrutz22 | I'm unable to install libc6. And I really don't know what to do. |
| 07:02.48 | amphi | Guerin: yeah; I forget the file you echo the freq to |
| 07:02.49 | tarzeau | dkk2: a/s/l? |
| 07:02.58 | infernal_jesus | dkk2: if you want to learn linux use Slackware.. |
| 07:03.00 | Guerin | amphi: nah, cpufreq-set or something |
| 07:03.07 | infernal_jesus | Because it is a lot of CLI and manual work |
| 07:03.07 | Guerin | dkk2: be promiscuous |
| 07:03.09 | dkk2 | or gentoo? |
| 07:03.09 | tarzeau | !start a distro war |
| 07:03.09 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 07:03.11 | amphi | Guerin: but it's obvious |
| 07:03.14 | Guerin | no, not gentoo |
| 07:03.18 | krazykit | himmelstrutz22, what's the specific error message? |
| 07:03.19 | tarzeau | dkk2, infernal_jesus you're still off-topic |
| 07:03.20 | niru | Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found |
| 07:03.20 | niru | hw-detect: loading PCMCIA bridge driver module: i82365 |
| 07:03.20 | niru | FATAL: Error inserting i82365 (/lib/modules/2.6.21-486/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.ko): No such device |
| 07:03.20 | niru | Missing module: ide-floppy |
| 07:03.20 | niru | DEBUG: resolver (partman-utils): package doesnt exist |
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| 07:03.29 | infernal_jesus | slackware is THE distro to learn most things about linux |
| 07:03.33 | Guerin | gentoo teaches you to be a control freak and make work for yourself |
| 07:03.45 | niru | what does that error show |
| 07:03.46 | infernal_jesus | debian is very stable for servers and beginners |
| 07:03.46 | tarzeau | !ops infernal_jesus and dkk2 don't stop being OT |
| 07:03.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: tarzeau complains about: infernal_jesus and dkk2 don't stop being OT |
| 07:03.46 | amphi | Guerin: I used to do 'echo whatever > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_set_speed' or whatever it was |
| 07:04.02 | himmelstrutz22 | krazykit>: http://pastebin.ca/560842 |
| 07:04.12 | simonrvn | niru: i don't know, you got kicked for pasting here |
| 07:04.18 | infernal_jesus | tarzeau: we are not offtopic.. we are discussing debian vs. pother distros |
| 07:04.22 | infernal_jesus | *other |
| 07:04.43 | himmelstrutz22 | krazykit>: I am also unable to install kernel 2.6.1 -- |
| 07:04.54 | Supaplex | niru: use http://rafb.net/paste instead of pasting. |
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| 07:05.41 | krazykit | himmelstrutz22, yeah. you need a newer kernel. are you upgrading to etch from sarge? |
| 07:05.48 | niru | Supaplex, http://rafb.net/p/vUSyBb53.html |
| 07:06.03 | niru | that is what I am seeing in console while installing |
| 07:06.21 | himmelstrutz22 | krazykit>: from sarge. I just did a apt-get upgrade when i got into these problems. I have the same probles as this man had: https://forum.bytemark.co.uk/viewtopic.php?pid=2424 |
| 07:06.21 | niru | This comes at the partitioning phase |
| 07:06.30 | niru | which does not detect my harddisk |
| 07:06.33 | infernal_jesus | niru: looks like you didn't add kernel support |
| 07:06.35 | infernal_jesus | for it |
| 07:06.40 | himmelstrutz22 | krazy: can't I downgrade in some way? |
| 07:06.48 | tarzeau | dkk2: did you ever create an rpm package? |
| 07:06.52 | simonrvn | Supaplex: you couldn't have, my head was on my shoulders the whole time :p |
| 07:06.55 | dkk2 | is there a channel on freenode where u can discuss just general computer stuff? |
| 07:06.55 | niru | infernal_jesus, I am using 2.6.21 kernel |
| 07:07.02 | krazykit | himmelstrutz22, downgrading is totally unsupported and a great way to break your system |
| 07:07.05 | niru | infernal_jesus, what support is missing |
| 07:07.05 | infernal_jesus | niru: you compiled it yourself? |
| 07:07.06 | tarzeau | dkk2: yes, #debian-offtopic |
| 07:07.12 | dkk2 | ok thnx |
| 07:07.19 | niru | infernal_jesus, no using from the repo |
| 07:07.22 | krazykit | himmelstrutz22, but all is not lost. read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 07:07.27 | infernal_jesus | niru: oh |
| 07:07.27 | himmelstrutz22 | krazy: well, I am left with no option..... so I don't know what to do. |
| 07:07.33 | himmelstrutz22 | krazy: ok |
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| 07:08.00 | infernal_jesus | well it can't find the pcmcia module |
| 07:08.03 | krazykit | from there, you might be able to fix whatever's wrong, or at least point you in the right direction. for now, i'm off to bed for the night |
| 07:08.05 | niru | infernal_jesus, it ISA PCIC probe |
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| 07:08.52 | icez | Which option should I give dpkg-reconfigure to change something from the step of installation (which I was pretty sure to have turned off) where it asks about Desktop environment, Standard system, etc..? (40r0-netinst) |
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| 07:08.57 | infernal_jesus | well you can always go to /usr/src/linux and 'make menuconfig' find the driver you are looking for, save the .config file and then 'make modules' and 'make modules_install |
| 07:09.00 | infernal_jesus | ' |
| 07:09.15 | infernal_jesus | that should install the module you select, if it isn't already selected and if it's in the kernel |
| 07:09.20 | Guerin | ok, so the undervolting thing is functional, just a matter of figuring out the volatges |
| 07:09.31 | Guerin | now to make the stupid suspend2 thing wotk |
| 07:09.38 | Supaplex | simonrvn: you detached ;) |
| 07:09.40 | amphi | Guerin: good-oh |
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| 07:09.51 | simonrvn | Supaplex: twice ! |
| 07:09.54 | niru | infernal_jesus, I am in the mid of installation how can i do that |
| 07:09.58 | simonrvn | teehee |
| 07:10.06 | Guerin | amphi: thanks for your help, I'll let you know what happens |
| 07:10.08 | infernal_jesus | niru: oh.. right :P |
| 07:10.12 | Supaplex | yeh :) |
| 07:10.17 | amphi | Guerin: you're welcome |
| 07:10.29 | infernal_jesus | niru: did your installation stop? |
| 07:10.53 | niru | infernal_jesus, no the partitioning phase does not show manual and automatic partitioning line |
| 07:10.59 | niru | that is the problem |
| 07:11.06 | infernal_jesus | oh |
| 07:11.09 | niru | Now I dont understand what is missing |
| 07:11.17 | himmelstrutz22 | krazy: but right now I either got cc/gcc working. I think i'm in deep trouble. |
| 07:11.20 | niru | infernal_jesus, is PCMCIA for harddisk detection |
| 07:11.20 | infernal_jesus | the module it says it's missing |
| 07:11.30 | niru | infernal_jesus, it only detects for network right |
| 07:11.31 | simonrvn | niru: no |
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| 07:12.01 | niru | infernal_jesus, but the missing module is not for detecting hard disk right |
| 07:12.09 | simonrvn | it's for expansion cards called PC cards, for lappies |
| 07:12.24 | infernal_jesus | well your "partman-utils" package doesn't exist, or it can;'t find it |
| 07:12.38 | simonrvn | or doesn't detect the drive... |
| 07:12.40 | infernal_jesus | it tells you what's missing in the error |
| 07:13.05 | infernal_jesus | the module "i82365", "ide-floppy".. |
| 07:13.10 | niru | infernal_jesus, but that package is there in repo |
| 07:14.32 | niru | infernal_jesus, oh I am seeing that partman-utils is there in main repo but it did not go into cd |
| 07:14.54 | infernal_jesus | niru: oh |
| 07:15.24 | simonrvn | right. so i guess it's a fluke it's not in the netinst iso, right? ;) |
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| 07:15.53 | niru | simonrvn, what is fluke |
| 07:16.02 | simonrvn | by chance |
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| 07:16.20 | niru | simonrvn, the debian-installer has a neboot image that works fine |
| 07:16.26 | niru | but cd image is not working |
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| 07:17.05 | simonrvn | full iso, 750-ish MB? |
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| 07:17.34 | simonrvn | i doubt it. you might want to just restart the install, probably just a fluke |
| 07:17.35 | niru | simonrvn, yes |
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| 07:17.47 | niru | simonrvn, I tried many-many times |
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| 07:18.03 | simonrvn | hrm, this a new machine? |
| 07:18.12 | CyberMad | does anyone here use hylafax-server ? i tried send some fax from client but all status are queue :( |
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| 07:19.22 | himmelstrutz22 | root@i:/home# ls / Floating point exception <--- this on a computer 300 kilometers away! hurray! |
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| 07:19.34 | Master_Medic | when i plug in a pcmcia card and i do dmesg | tail i get this |
| 07:19.37 | Master_Medic | cs: pcmcia_socket0: cardbus cards are not supported |
| 07:19.41 | Master_Medic | is there a way to get support for them? |
| 07:20.15 | niru | infernal_jesus, any solution |
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| 07:21.53 | infernal_jesus | niru: sorry, maybe install the missing modules |
| 07:22.01 | infernal_jesus | other than that I don't know |
| 07:22.02 | infernal_jesus | sorry |
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| 07:23.36 | CyberMad | how to test whether my modem working or not? |
| 07:23.57 | tarzeau | CyberMad: use it? wvdial? |
| 07:24.24 | psyco-obiwan | or cu -l /dev/ttyS0x -s 19200 and send an "at" |
| 07:24.56 | niru | Supaplex, any idea |
| 07:25.19 | niru | /lib/modules/2.6.21-1-486/kernel/drivers/pcmcia shows i82365.ko is available |
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| 07:26.44 | Supaplex | niru: no, I didn't pay attention. you're not using a stock debian kernel, or you're on sid anyway. |
| 07:26.57 | niru | Supaplex, yup |
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| 07:27.11 | Supaplex | so regress to something proven, and work your way out again. |
| 07:27.19 | CyberMad | thanks |
| 07:27.20 | niru | I have installed that kernel and that modlue is available |
| 07:28.11 | Supaplex | and you've spent all night trying to get it working. Isn't it in a stable and stock debian kernel to? have you tried that? |
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| 07:28.36 | Supaplex | is anything like this in bts? |
| 07:29.02 | CyberMad | bash: cu: command not found |
| 07:29.13 | tarzeau | CyberMad: apt-get install it? |
| 07:29.19 | CyberMad | tarzeau ok thanks |
| 07:30.28 | Supaplex | CyberMad: apt-file search bin/cu will show you what package has it, if you don't have this installed already. (similar to dpkg -S <...>) |
| 07:31.23 | CyberMad | then i got this: faxserver:/home/yudi# cu -l /dev/ttyS0 -s 19200 | cu: open (/dev/ttyS0): Permission denied | cu: /dev/ttyS0: Line in use |
| 07:31.47 | CyberMad | i already stop the hylafax services |
| 07:31.55 | Supaplex | !lsof |
| 07:31.55 | dpkg | methinks lsof is LiSt Open Files. apt-get install lsof |
| 07:32.07 | Supaplex | you can also lsof /path |
| 07:33.21 | tbamr | !beer subir |
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| 07:36.25 | abchirk | hi anyone here with gnash and can tell me how I enable the konqueror plugin? I tried with --enable-konqueror but it seems to be not useful :/ |
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| 07:37.42 | MoDaX | abchirk: install konqueror-nsplugins |
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| 07:38.15 | abchirk | MoDaX they are installed... |
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| 07:38.57 | MoDaX | abchirk: configure konqueror -> plugins -> scan for new plugins |
| 07:38.58 | abchirk | I am trying to get gnash plugin to work with fx or konqueror :) |
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| 07:39.13 | abchirk | MoDaX that I did too, he found gnashplugin |
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| 07:41.00 | abchirk | but on the flash site he tells me that he cannot find the netscape plugin? |
| 07:41.10 | abchirk | No he cannot load it |
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| 07:42.07 | Alarm | goodmorning. on audacious 1.2.x when loading some files, for some mp3 i get the error "unable to play file" , when i try to play that specific mp3 on other audio players, its being played without any problem. anyone knowing how can this be fixed ? (it happens also to newer versions) . it could be that the mp3 is scrabled , but then why can xmms or bmp play it ? |
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| 07:43.56 | Guerin | Alarm: audio editing files are quite strict regarding file headers and such. A player might play a file even if it's not atrictly conformant to the mp3 file spec, but a studio app usually won't |
| 07:44.06 | Guerin | s/files/programs/ |
| 07:44.42 | Alarm | solution ? |
| 07:44.43 | Guerin | Alarm: you might be able to fix it with mpgtx or such, or you can dump it out to a wave file using mplayer or ffmpeg or goodness knows how many other tools |
| 07:45.15 | Alarm | Guerin, could you give some more information so that i can check that out on the net ? |
| 07:45.36 | Alarm | when u say fix, u talk about fixing the specific mp3s or fixing the problem on audacious |
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| 07:46.01 | Guerin | Alarm: not really. I mean fixing the files - audacious is working peroperly (if over-pedantically) |
| 07:46.22 | Alarm | nah. thats too much work. i am not talking about 1-2 files |
| 07:46.32 | Guerin | my advice is just to dump them to wave and import the wave into audacious |
| 07:46.43 | Guerin | you can scipt that quite trivially usinf ffmpeg or mplayer |
| 07:47.03 | Alarm | hmm cool, audacious now even crashed to load all the files :) |
| 07:47.20 | Guerin | the problem is that the files are corrupt in some minor way. this is very common with random files you find on the internet |
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| 07:47.39 | Alarm | its ironic that instead with newer software to go "back" instead of making things better |
| 07:47.57 | Moffa | using kmail on a remote desktop (pure Sarge) on my lan, my local desktop froze up, causing kmail to crash on the remote end. Now kmail segfaults on startup, tried rm'ing user's kmailrc, but still segfaults, tried reinstalling kmail, same thing, help?, thanks |
| 07:48.06 | Guerin | Alarm: the strictness in studio software is there for a reason |
| 07:48.08 | Alarm | true, the file can be corrupted , but my question is again why does xmms for example play it |
| 07:48.14 | Alarm | got it |
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| 07:49.30 | Guerin | xmms just has to output the data to a pcm device. audacious has to quantify it and must be prepared to filter it and suchlike. You probably won't hear the imprefections in the file when playing it, but a studio app has to reproduce them exactly |
| 07:49.52 | hark | isn't audacious just the xmms/bmp fork? |
| 07:49.58 | Guerin | oh, is it? |
| 07:50.09 | Guerin | i thought it was audacity's new name |
| 07:50.15 | hark | audacity is the other one :) |
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| 07:50.49 | Guerin | oh, if it's just a player then that' stupid and it should just merrily play whatever you feed it, within reasonable bounds |
| 07:51.21 | hark | Alarm: check the output, run it from a term (audacious broken.mp3) |
| 07:51.50 | Guerin | Moffa: free space in ~? |
| 07:52.05 | Moffa | Guerin, just a sec... |
| 07:52.20 | Alarm | Hark i tried oss and alsa . alsa seems to play them under xmms and bmp . thats something indeed i didnt try . to load them from console |
| 07:52.55 | Moffa | Guerin, 11GB, partition includes more than just home |
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| 07:54.10 | Moffa | Guerin, also tmp has plenty of space, as suggested in some google posts |
| 07:54.43 | Guerin | Moffa: i blame kde |
| 07:54.46 | hark | try an strace |
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| 07:55.04 | jelly-home | Moffa: .kde/share/apps/kmail ? |
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| 07:55.36 | jelly-home | Moffa: try (re)moving it to see what happens |
| 07:56.01 | Alarm | hark , loading it from console still the same message "unable to play file" , Please check: 1) they are accesible 2)you have enabled the media plugins required . the plugin should be ok, else i wouldnt be able to play other mp3 |
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| 07:56.44 | coupdetat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:57.07 | user1_ | 730 now |
| 07:57.14 | coupdetat | are we all useless eaters here ? |
| 07:57.21 | Moffa | jelly, I'll try that, I need to backup my kmailrc file first, because its huge with filters and multiple email accounts |
| 07:57.23 | coupdetat | or do we also say something ? |
| 07:57.43 | Moffa | jelly-home, I'll try that, I need to backup my kmailrc file first, because its huge with filters and multiple email account |
| 07:57.49 | Moffa | just a sec |
| 07:57.53 | coupdetat | its a fucking voyeur channel isnt it ? |
| 07:57.54 | user1_ | do we have to say something to not be useless eater? |
| 07:58.27 | elZip | what is a useless eater an anorexic person? |
| 07:58.29 | coupdetat | user1_: if you are not productive in any way then yes |
| 07:58.41 | user1_ | i don't need to be productive to you |
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| 07:58.46 | jelly-home | coupdetat: do you have a debian question? |
| 07:59.00 | coupdetat | im here to hear the good news about debian |
| 07:59.02 | coupdetat | :) |
| 07:59.08 | elZip | i'm fat i beat anorexia |
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| 07:59.12 | Moffa | Guerin, jelly-home, before I do that, would the debug 1,2 output or crash info help in diagnosing problem for more direct fix instead of blowing away .kde? |
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| 08:00.23 | Moffa | .kde/share/apps/kmail |
| 08:00.34 | jelly-home | Moffa: frankly, for an old version from sarge I don't think a bug report is going to be very useful for the kde people... I bet you'd first get a try-new-version |
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| 08:04.11 | _HellTiger_ | wich fs can i use for win/linux readwrite ? cfdisk says: w95 fat32 and w95fat32 (lba) |
| 08:04.48 | wols_ | fat32 |
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| 08:05.04 | _HellTiger_ | wols_ not the (lba) |
| 08:05.05 | _HellTiger_ | ? |
| 08:05.13 | wols_ | create the partition under windows. linux doesn't care about partition types |
| 08:05.30 | _HellTiger_ | i cant create it under windws |
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| 08:05.52 | _HellTiger_ | its only ntfs possible. |
| 08:05.56 | _HellTiger_ | winxp .. |
| 08:06.19 | wols_ | this I don't beleive |
| 08:06.38 | SoulChild | Hey all... i use my notebook for school and at home,... so i have 2 differnent w-lan Networks, how can i add the names of these networks to prefered list, so that i don't have to connect to them ? |
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| 08:07.59 | Moffa | Guerin, jelly-home, tried rm'ing .kde/share/apps/kmail, still segfaults. Should I rm the file and then reinstall kmail, or that won't make a difference? |
| 08:08.12 | hark | hesco: of course you can |
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| 08:11.56 | SoulChild | is there a list for prefered wlan networks |
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| 08:13.20 | abchirk | Maybe anyone has an idea... I make export DISPLAY=:0 and then trying to run a application as a other user...but he tells me => Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 08:13.57 | abchirk | Is there anything which I need to setup? I know that it worked in my old debian? |
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| 08:19.09 | Dewi | abchirk: is your display actually on :0.0 ? |
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| 08:19.57 | abchirk | ehm Dewi how I find out this? |
| 08:20.22 | Dewi | abchirk: well isn't DISPLAY already set? |
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| 08:20.42 | abchirk | No not with the user I am using X |
| 08:20.50 | abchirk | abchirk@Hirschi:~$ echo DISPLAY |
| 08:20.50 | abchirk | DISPLAY |
| 08:21.15 | Dewi | $DISPLAY |
| 08:21.35 | abchirk | ah Yes...it is :0.0 |
| 08:22.09 | Dewi | so... what terminal is this other user using? |
| 08:22.54 | abchirk | Ehm Eterm? Or what do you mean? |
| 08:23.22 | Dewi | are they ssh'd in? |
| 08:23.30 | Dewi | are they using a console terminal? |
| 08:23.32 | Dewi | an xterm? |
| 08:23.39 | abchirk | No..on same desktop, Yes |
| 08:23.52 | Dewi | using 'su' in a term window? |
| 08:24.15 | abchirk | I opened in my X Eterm and make "su hans" and tried to start an Xapplication for hans |
| 08:24.19 | abchirk | yes |
| 08:25.32 | wols_ | abchirk: use kdesu or gksudo |
| 08:25.53 | cydork | abchirk: or sux |
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| 08:30.56 | abchirk | Mh ok sux seems to work...but not in a chroot :( |
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| 08:35.47 | abchirk | mhh brb |
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| 08:39.10 | tarzeau | can debarchiver not process stuff in incoming that has no changes files (make-kpkg made kernel images)? |
| 08:40.08 | solemnwarning_ | Is there a simple HTTPD I can run with a single command for testing stuff from my user account? |
| 08:40.21 | solemnwarning_ | E.g httpd_name -d /home/solemnwarning/http_root |
| 08:40.29 | solemnwarning_ | I just need it for testing stuff |
| 08:40.38 | wols_ | assasukasse: you can only bind to ports <1024 as root |
| 08:40.44 | solemnwarning_ | Security/speed isn't important |
| 08:40.45 | wols_ | solemnwarning_: ^^^ |
| 08:40.48 | piti | Hi everyone, I have to find some occurences in a huge file, I though using grep, but it's a binary one. how can I convert it to ascii or how can I dig into a binary file ? thanks |
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| 08:40.56 | solemnwarning_ | wols_: I know :P |
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| 08:41.11 | solemnwarning_ | I think I can bear typing http://infinity:port/file though :) |
| 08:41.55 | Dewi | piti: you can extract plain text segments using 'strings', or get a hex + ascii view with 'hexdump -C' |
| 08:42.21 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:42.57 | solemnwarning_ | Anything recommended for running from my user account? |
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| 08:43.40 | petemc | solemnwarning: apache serves up stuff from ~/public_html/ , is that no good? |
| 08:43.41 | tbamr | solemnwarning: you can use lighttpd |
| 08:43.43 | raxip | hi |
| 08:44.07 | solemnwarning | petemc: I don't want to make my homedir world-readable, and apache is a memory/CPU hog |
| 08:44.14 | petemc | hah |
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| 08:44.28 | solemnwarning | tbamr: I'll try it |
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| 08:45.00 | piti | Demi: thank you |
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| 08:46.26 | SORMANOV | hello all |
| 08:46.40 | SORMANOV | trying to plug a usb modem and got this : http://pastebin.ca/560965 |
| 08:46.49 | N1ckR | I have a weird grub installing onto sata drive issue the other day... hd2 was infact hd0, even though hd0 was another install. Anyhow a quick change of grub fixed it.. updated my bios today and thats fixed the drive swapping issue... wierd ! |
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| 08:47.31 | assasukasse | wols_: ? |
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| 08:50.30 | loca|host | anyone ? |
| 08:50.32 | loca|host | trying to plug a usb modem and got this : http://pastebin.ca/560965 |
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| 08:53.30 | xand | loca|host: usb modems usually need proprietary drivers |
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| 08:54.35 | loca|host | xand, that modem is working on a etch, and not on sarge |
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| 08:54.42 | loca|host | it's an AT GSM modem |
| 08:54.58 | xand | what kernel? |
| 08:55.45 | loca|host | the sarge one : Linux dev2 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:55.59 | loca|host | the etch one : Linux dev 2.6.18-3-486 #1 Mon Dec 4 15:59:52 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 08:57.36 | xand | I guess 2.4 is too old fo rit |
| 08:57.44 | MoDaX | loca|host: is usb cable ok? |
| 08:57.48 | wols_ | use a 2.6 kernel wioth sarge |
| 08:58.01 | loca|host | MoDaX, sure |
| 08:58.14 | MoDaX | ah yes, 2.4 is too old |
| 08:58.22 | loca|host | ok i'll upgrade that |
| 08:58.49 | MoDaX | loca|host: and your etch kernel is not the most recent either |
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| 08:59.31 | xand | I'd use the 686 optimised kernel on a 686 :) |
| 08:59.35 | N1ckR | MoDaX, I fixed my weird booting problem (hd0 vs hd2) with a bios flash ! |
| 09:00.34 | MoDaX | N1ckR: great |
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| 09:00.58 | loca|host | MoDaX, yes i know .. but since it's stable :) |
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| 09:02.36 | MoDaX | loca|host: security conserns. 2.6.18-4-* is the most recent |
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| 09:06.51 | jelly-home | Moffa: btw, that's a directory not a file. I'd mv it away or rm -r it |
| 09:08.16 | Moffa | jelly-home, yes, after backing it up, I rm -r'd it, but kmail is still segfaulting. working my way through bug list |
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| 09:10.30 | tbamr | Moffa: strace'ing kmail might help ? |
| 09:10.58 | Moffa | don't know strace, what flags should I use, if any? |
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| 09:11.24 | jelly-home | Moffa: ah, I have no more quick-fix ideas then. The little time I used it deleting the state dir. helped when it started segfaulting |
| 09:11.36 | Moffa | ok, thanks |
| 09:12.33 | ivx | hey if i run rsync -a rsync://url then run it again will the second time i run it update anything if necessary or will it re copy everything? |
| 09:12.58 | jelly-home | strace "-o output-file", "-ff" to follow forks, and "-p pid" to strace an already running process or just command name to run a new one |
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| 09:13.05 | prs | Hi. |
| 09:13.18 | prs | Which package should I install to have `startx` in my debian? |
| 09:13.28 | Moffa | see a bug about C++ compiler transition, thinking of changing compiler version maybe? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=320581 |
| 09:13.42 | epsilon | prs: should be some X package... tried apt-file? |
| 09:13.57 | Moffa | but was working fine before remote desktop crash, so maybe I shouldn't mess with it |
| 09:14.08 | cydork | prs: xbase-clients. next time check /msg dpkg search |
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| 09:14.46 | prs | mhm. |
| 09:14.53 | prs | I will. |
| 09:14.55 | prs | ;-) |
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| 09:15.55 | cahoot | what is it then? |
| 09:16.04 | Moffa | jelly-home, thanks on the help with strace |
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| 09:26.39 | CyberMad | i already setup hylafax-server on my debian.. but it always got pending when sending fax from client, how to try send fax from the server? |
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| 09:26.51 | CyberMad | to find out what is the problem |
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| 09:39.49 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:39.50 | dpkg | i guess qotd171 is <opensores> A readme is telling me to type '/sbin/ifconfig ra0 inet YOUR_IP up' but what do I replace YOUR_IP with? |
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| 09:42.12 | nomad_cz | Hi. Is there kernel-image-2.6.8-4-686-smp available ? Because Sarge says that kernel-image-2.6-686-smp depends on it but can not find it :/ |
| 09:43.20 | busfahrer | nomad_cz: Check packages.debian.org |
| 09:43.30 | wols_ | nomad_cz: no |
| 09:43.45 | wols_ | oops. sarge |
| 09:44.08 | nomad_cz | busfahrer: Package: kernel-image-2.6-686-smp (101sarge2) [security] ; kernel-image-2.6.8-4-686-smp Package not available |
| 09:44.31 | N0BODY | gonna go to sleep now, cya |
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| 09:45.15 | nomad_cz | busfahrer: http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/base/kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 09:45.24 | xand | there is no such package |
| 09:45.30 | nomad_cz | busfahrer: Do u think they will make it available ? ;) |
| 09:45.45 | xand | doubt it |
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| 09:46.40 | nomad_cz | xand: So what's the point of update that will break ? ;) |
| 09:46.47 | xand | !sarge |
| 09:46.48 | dpkg | i guess sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 09:48.03 | wols_ | nomad_cz: you cna file a bug report |
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| 09:48.22 | nomad_cz | wols_: I see ;) Ok. |
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| 09:53.22 | CyberMad | i can not connect to my modem.. cu -l /dev/ttyS0 |
| 09:53.33 | CyberMad | it said permission denied and line in use.. |
| 09:53.54 | CyberMad | would you share with me.. what is your ls -al /dev/ttyS0 |
| 09:54.25 | CyberMad | and how to check where is my modem ? ttyS0 or ttyS1 or what? |
| 09:54.51 | tarzeau | CyberMad: is the port com1 or com2 ? |
| 09:54.59 | tarzeau | CyberMad: does it have a label? |
| 09:55.15 | erore | I am using debian and iptables on my router. Some users keep browsing porn. Basically it is not much of my concern what they do when they should be working, my concern is that they keep infecting their computers with spyware and such things. We are using quite a good antivirus solution but it can never catch everything. So what I want to do is filter porn pages on the router. Is there a way how to do it? |
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| 09:55.44 | CyberMad | i plug the modem on onboard PCI |
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| 09:55.50 | wols_ | CyberMad: are you in the dip group? |
| 09:55.52 | CyberMad | it's PCI modem |
| 09:56.29 | wols_ | CyberMad: then it's probably ttyS2 or above since S0 and S1 are most probably already taken by the serial ports on your mobo |
| 09:56.58 | CyberMad | and how to make sure it's correct? |
| 09:57.10 | wols_ | erore: no there is not. since no one ever came up with a way to detect pr0n webservers reliably |
| 09:57.24 | CyberMad | maybe this is cause my hylafax-server doesn't work |
| 09:57.38 | wols_ | try minicom. it it answers on atz, you know you have the modem (if it's AT hayes compatible) |
| 09:57.49 | wols_ | if it's a winmodem, you need a special driver anyways |
| 09:58.00 | erore | wols_: not even a kind of web black list? |
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| 09:58.05 | CyberMad | what is minicom? |
| 09:58.17 | wols_ | sure there are blacklists. they just dont work |
| 09:58.24 | wols_ | !info minicom |
| 09:59.04 | dpkg | minicom: (friendly menu driven serial communication program), section comm, is optional. Version: 2.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 283 kB, Installed size: 1112 kB |
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| 09:59.34 | CyberMad | does use "cu -l /dev/ttyS0" etc.. is way to test the modem |
| 09:59.43 | CyberMad | so, why i got permission denied and line in use |
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| 10:00.04 | wols_ | what is "cu" supposed to be? |
| 10:00.41 | wols_ | ah I see. again: are you a member of dip? |
| 10:00.50 | wols_ | or what are the perms on your /dev/ttyS0? |
| 10:00.56 | _agn_ | is there any problem in assigning IP's in different networks for the same interface ? |
| 10:01.03 | Alam_Opera | hmm, the new xserver-xorg package in debian testing killed my nvidia driver, man, I hate closed source... |
| 10:01.22 | wols_ | _agn_: how can a single interface have more than one IP? |
| 10:01.30 | _agn_ | ip aliasing |
| 10:01.40 | wols_ | Alam_Opera: install them the debian way and they will work |
| 10:01.47 | Alam_Opera | it is |
| 10:01.50 | wols_ | if you go the nvidia way, you have to recompile it everytime |
| 10:02.15 | wols_ | Alam_Opera: 2.6.21 kernel then? |
| 10:02.23 | Alam_Opera | nope |
| 10:02.46 | Alam_Opera | "2.6.18-4-686" from 'uname -r' |
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| 10:03.20 | CyberMad | i don't know what is dip.. |
| 10:03.24 | CyberMad | what is dip? |
| 10:03.35 | CyberMad | wait.. i list the permission here |
| 10:03.36 | wols_ | !dip |
| 10:03.37 | dpkg | i heard dip is digital intelletual property, or http://www.dipconsultants.com |
| 10:03.43 | wols_ | "dialout |
| 10:03.46 | wols_ | !dialout |
| 10:03.49 | CyberMad | crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 64 2007-06-12 21:57 /dev/ttyS0 |
| 10:04.10 | wols_ | dialout it is then. are you a member of the dialoup group? |
| 10:04.32 | CyberMad | root? |
| 10:05.07 | CyberMad | check with command groups? |
| 10:05.13 | CyberMad | it return: root |
| 10:06.07 | wols_ | do you understand permissions? how they work? |
| 10:07.18 | CyberMad | yes.. but not too good.. i understand about chmod, etc |
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| 10:07.39 | CyberMad | 4+2+1 = rwx, etc |
| 10:07.44 | wols_ | if you are currently root, there is no permssion problem as you can see |
| 10:07.56 | wols_ | but a PCI modem is rarely if every ttyS0. just doesn#t make sense |
| 10:08.04 | wols_ | check dmesg what ports are recognized |
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| 10:08.24 | CyberMad | nice.. i remember about dmesg, i use that to check my USB modem status |
| 10:08.37 | CyberMad | *GSM Modem (on USB interface) |
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| 10:09.06 | CyberMad | should i grep something |
| 10:09.19 | wols_ | tty perhaps |
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| 10:09.43 | gordboy | grep *everything*, just to be sure |
| 10:09.53 | CyberMad | faxserver:/home/yudi# cu -l /dev/ttyS0 -s 19200 | cu: open (/dev/ttyS0): Permission denied | cu: /dev/ttyS0: Line in use |
| 10:09.53 | CyberMad | serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A serial8250: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A 00:0a: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A 00:0b: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A |
| 10:10.08 | CyberMad | sorry.. the 2nd line.. |
| 10:10.08 | Alam_Opera | how about /dev/ttyACM0 ? |
| 10:10.36 | wols_ | CyberMad: paste the output of lspci in a pastebin |
| 10:11.33 | CyberMad | ok, just a minute |
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| 10:13.13 | CyberMad | http://www.pastebin.ca/561068 |
| 10:13.47 | CyberMad | i'm not sure.. is this correct? # |
| 10:13.47 | CyberMad | 00:09.0 Communication controller: Conexant Unknown device 2f30 (rev 01) |
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| 10:15.13 | CyberMad | so, the device it's not detected by debian? correct? |
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| 10:15.57 | ronr | anyone knows a good package I can use to give clients the possibility to: create / update / delete pop3 mailboxen, aliases and investigate / train blocked spam (I'm using exim4 and spamassasin) (my clients will expect a web interface) |
| 10:15.58 | enouf | my winmodem is nothing ... there's no drivers for it .. lshal | grep WinModem |
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| 10:17.40 | petemc | ronr: vexim does that kinda stuff |
| 10:18.09 | ronr | petemc: thanks, I'll check that out |
| 10:18.15 | petemc | im not sure its packaged |
| 10:18.39 | enouf | lshal | less , then /, then WinModem to jump to the area |
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| 10:19.01 | enouf | udevinfo -a -p /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:09.0 even maybe |
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| 10:21.11 | wols_ | CyberMadz: run update-pciids |
| 10:21.16 | wols_ | CyberMadz: and it looks like a winmodem |
| 10:21.34 | krekon | if I want to login as a user through a terminal what command I should use? |
| 10:21.54 | krekon | different user |
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| 10:22.28 | CyberMadz | ok, wait.. wols_ |
| 10:22.44 | wols_ | krekon: if you are already logged in and what to change your current user: man su |
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| 10:23.18 | wols_ | *and want to |
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| 10:23.54 | CyberMadz | ok, done.. what next? |
| 10:24.04 | wols_ | lspci again |
| 10:24.30 | CyberMadz | 00:09.0 Communication controller: Conexant HSF 56k Data/Fax Modem (rev 01) |
| 10:24.35 | CyberMadz | wow... ;) |
| 10:24.45 | CyberMadz | how to check what tty? is it? |
| 10:25.01 | wols_ | it is no tty at all |
| 10:25.05 | wols_ | it's a winmodem afaik |
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| 10:25.21 | krekon | wols_ no I dont want to login as root but login as another user. probably I have to do it through su or sudo but with what command? |
| 10:26.43 | CyberMadz | so i install hylafax, and on faxsetup it ask about the correct designation for the serial port of my fax-modem is connected to |
| 10:26.51 | CyberMadz | what should i enter? |
| 10:26.55 | wols_ | krekon: su isn't just for root login |
| 10:26.56 | wols_ | man su |
| 10:27.21 | wols_ | CyberMadz: first you need to install the driver for your modem |
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| 10:27.42 | somian[0] | .oO(Oh no. wols_ ... you just suggested someone read a man page?!? Here we go ... wailing and crying and tears ...) |
| 10:28.00 | wols_ | CyberMadz: http://www.linuxant.com |
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| 10:28.25 | CyberMadz | wols_ :( i have three PCI modem.. maybe better i try them one by one.. ohhh thanks for the link |
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| 10:29.50 | CyberMadz | damn.. i must buy it :) lol :) thanks anyway.. i better switch the modem with others |
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| 10:29.57 | CyberMadz | thanks a lot wols_ |
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| 10:30.47 | savvas | how can I send a mail with a binary attachment? |
| 10:30.52 | petemc | mutt |
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| 10:40.32 | gonzaloaf | hi, what does icedove do when you compact a folder? |
| 10:41.04 | CyberMadz | ok, i already switch from prolink 1456PVC to prolink 1456 PFP, how to check which ttySx is my modem connected to? |
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| 10:41.47 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: deletes messages |
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| 10:42.08 | gonzaloaf | wols_, which messages? |
| 10:42.12 | wols_ | CyberMadz: either check lspci again. chances are another winmodem |
| 10:42.23 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: the ones you marked for deletion |
| 10:42.34 | CyberMadz | wols_ it's 00:09.0 Modem: PCTel Inc HSP56 MicroModem (rev 04) |
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| 10:43.07 | CyberMadz | so what next? |
| 10:43.08 | gonzaloaf | wols_, if I didnt check anything, does it do another task? |
| 10:43.15 | wols_ | CyberMadz: another winmodem as you can see. see www.linmodems.org |
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| 10:43.51 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: just because you delete a message it's not necessarily actually deleted in a mail client and the space freed |
| 10:44.24 | CyberMadz | for next buy of modem.. do you know what modem type & vendor that already supported by debian (without install the driver) |
| 10:44.32 | gonzaloaf | I dont know why I'm receiving duplicated messages in icedove |
| 10:44.52 | gonzaloaf | then it freezes |
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| 10:45.39 | wols_ | CyberMadz: ideally, any external serially connected modem that supports the AT hayes command set without a drivre |
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| 10:46.18 | wols_ | CyberMadz: pctel has a driver available tho. see linmodems.org. a Free driver even |
| 10:46.32 | CyberMadz | ok, i don't get the linux driver for that pc-tel |
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| 10:46.52 | CyberMadz | i will use external modem.. attached to serial port |
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| 10:48.29 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 10:48.54 | gypsymauro | I'm searching a distro for a internet kiosk I need just firefox nothing else, there is something already made? |
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| 10:49.09 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: we don't know. all we do here is debian |
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| 10:49.30 | gonzaloaf | wols_, isnt icedove part of debian? |
| 10:49.51 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: yes it is. and? |
| 10:50.04 | gonzaloaf | wols_, and having problems with icedove |
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| 10:50.17 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: sorry. bad nick complete. should have been gypsymauro |
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| 10:50.31 | gonzaloaf | wols_, oooh |
| 10:50.35 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: tho I don#t really get what your problem actaully is :) |
| 10:50.49 | elZip | CyberMadz: dont know if this site is of any use http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/PCTel-MicroModem-Config.html |
| 10:51.29 | gonzaloaf | wols_, my icedove start downloading duplicated messages, then it freezes, I have run it from a terminal but I didnt get much additional information |
| 10:51.55 | elZip | CyberMadz: tty /dev/ttyS15 is listed on that page |
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| 10:52.12 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: you using a pop3 account? |
| 10:52.22 | gonzaloaf | wols_, yes |
| 10:52.45 | metbsd | what package has kde superkaramba? |
| 10:53.03 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: pop3 messages are only deleted when all of them are downloaded. so fi the download is interrupted cause icedove crashes, it re downloads all those messages again leading to doubled ones |
| 10:53.16 | wols_ | metbsd: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:53.29 | wols_ | no clue why it freezes or crashes tho |
| 10:53.45 | litage_ | i'm installing the vmware server and it's asking "Do you want to be able to use NAT networking in your virtual machines?". what does NAT have to do with a VM? |
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| 10:53.56 | metbsd | i can't find it in aptcache search so it means debian don't have it? |
| 10:54.08 | gonzaloaf | wols_, it is downloading messages that were downloaded more than a month ago |
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| 10:54.56 | gonzaloaf | wols_, is there a limit of a folder's size? |
| 10:55.17 | petemc | litage_: its one of the methods it can use for network connectivity |
| 10:55.18 | wols_ | in icedove? I doubt it. how many messages do you have? |
| 10:55.36 | litage_ | metbsd: i've just come into the conversation, but Etch has superkaramba |
| 10:55.44 | somian[0] | I wonder whether looking at vmware's site and documentation would be a more effective way of finding out about vmware than asking on some random irc channel? |
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| 10:56.00 | petemc | thats crazy talk |
| 10:56.04 | litage_ | petemc: how does a VM use NAT for network connectivity? |
| 10:56.08 | somian[0] | Ooops sorry ;-P |
| 10:56.19 | petemc | litage_: same as any other device |
| 10:56.38 | wols_ | litage_: the host acts as NAT router. it's part of VMWare |
| 10:56.51 | litage_ | wols_: ah i see, thanks |
| 10:57.13 | wols_ | metbsd: you haven't searched then |
| 10:57.28 | wols_ | metbsd: or your sources.list is defective |
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| 11:04.30 | alexfranci | hello! i'm joining to HP test drive free shell. i have to choose between Debian on Integrity rx2600, Debian on ProLiant DL140 and Debian on ProLiant DL385. what's the difference? |
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| 11:04.50 | N1ckR | Is the totem moz/firefox plugin as good as the mplayer plugin ? |
| 11:05.02 | SlayerXP | alexfranci: one wonder why you're asking us that |
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| 11:05.22 | g00se | Is it possible to run a virtual (higher) kernel using Linux-VServer? |
| 11:06.05 | alexfranci | SlayerXP, because i can't understand what's the difference between that machines |
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| 11:06.37 | N1ckR | if in doubt go for the higher name or cooler name :D |
| 11:07.43 | SlayerXP | alexfranci: I often have questions regarding quantum theory, I don't ask for enlightenment here |
| 11:08.20 | alexfranci | SlayerXP, and where do you ask it? |
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| 11:09.41 | N1ckR | Anyone use epiphany ? Compared to iceweasel the fonts in google, gmail are small, bug or feature ? |
| 11:11.11 | cafuego | SlayerXP: but you could! |
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| 11:11.42 | alexfranci | cafuego, can i ask it here? |
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| 11:11.54 | wols_ | alexfranci: no |
| 11:11.58 | wols_ | alexfranci: ask HP |
| 11:12.02 | petemc | alexfranci: they're different types of servers, theres not much to it |
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| 11:12.30 | alexfranci | petemc, wols_ thank you. i didn't know that, i am sorry |
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| 11:15.36 | itchi | alexfranci: You may need to google on the hp website to see the diff |
| 11:16.33 | alexfranci | itchi, yes. well i'm doing it, but i don't understand the difference :D i need only a free shell account. can i set a mail server with that free shell account? |
| 11:17.03 | itchi | alexfranci: I dunno |
| 11:17.06 | petemc | unlikely |
| 11:17.15 | leming` | hp test drives are just to experience the system, you can't run any persistent tasks |
| 11:17.22 | alexfranci | oh yes |
| 11:17.27 | alexfranci | see this |
| 11:17.29 | alexfranci | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_shell |
| 11:17.56 | itchi | alexfranci: There are some diff free shell accounts like rootshell.be, but mostly, these give limited free services |
| 11:18.05 | alexfranci | i can run bg tasks, and i can have 31 ip |
| 11:18.13 | alexfranci | ipv4 |
| 11:18.39 | petemc | alexfranci: you dont have an old machine at home you can install debian on? |
| 11:19.07 | alexfranci | petemc, yes i have, but my internet provider filters pop3/imap/smtp ports |
| 11:19.22 | petemc | right |
| 11:19.27 | thedonvaughn | alexfranci, so use their mail servers. Obviously you want to spam |
| 11:19.41 | petemc | very judgemental |
| 11:19.43 | alexfranci | thedonvaughn, why??? |
| 11:19.44 | alexfranci | no |
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| 11:20.07 | alexfranci | i only want to learn how to set a mail server. i would like to become a sysadmin |
| 11:20.10 | itchi | alexfranci: You may need a port forwarder, like dyndns or somethings like that |
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| 11:20.36 | alexfranci | itchi, dyndns? port forwarder? you are a genius |
| 11:20.54 | itchi | no spam, My ISP block also all the ports < 1024. Fucking mentality, i still wait for some anwer to my mail about it too. If i got an answer |
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| 11:21.10 | thedonvaughn | itchi, ouch |
| 11:21.15 | alexfranci | itchi, so if my isp filters port 25, i can set dyndns to forward it to port 26 for example? |
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| 11:21.21 | duki | Hello all |
| 11:21.26 | itchi | I monthly complain to my f* ISP about it |
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| 11:21.36 | khaleel5000 | hello , i am a nooob with debian etch , i am trying to compile my own kernel , when i do make xconfig i get this error http://rafb.net/p/RslPVC66.html |
| 11:21.47 | itchi | alexfranci: Look on his webiste ;-) |
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| 11:22.02 | itchi | alexfranci: Make a free account and there you go... |
| 11:22.02 | petemc | theres a very good reason for isps filtering smtp |
| 11:22.02 | thedonvaughn | khaleel5000, need the qt -dev files |
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| 11:22.14 | itchi | petemc: smtp, maybe, but not http |
| 11:22.27 | alexfranci | itchi, i use dyndns, but now i don't use forwarder port. however thank you because i thought to change isp. if it works, i will kiss you |
| 11:22.30 | HSorgYves | where should i install an application into? /usr/bin? /usr/local/bin? /opt? |
| 11:22.33 | petemc | right, thats why i said smtp |
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| 11:22.50 | duki | I haven't any video device in /dev, howover the v4Linux is compiled in the kernel. What is wrong ? |
| 11:23.10 | khaleel5000 | thedonvaughn: can you please tell me a repo where i would get it (i have no repo added in my /etc/apt/source.list (only the 3 dvds i bought ,and the security patches ones [which I knowingly , and personaly disabled]) |
| 11:23.23 | itchi | Anyway, it's not the ISP that need to do that. I wonder how the car seller gona do his way? Cause we can still break, take any car. Nothings is that hard, if you know how to |
| 11:23.32 | xand | duki: you have no hardware device for there to be a device node? |
| 11:23.45 | cahoot | duki, probably need a module for your camera or whatever device |
| 11:24.35 | itchi | alexfranci: Complain to your ISP too, please |
| 11:24.48 | CyberMadz | wols_ thanks a lot.. the fax server is working very well right now |
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| 11:25.51 | itchi | alexfranci: They may need to ask you if these need to 'secure' you or not, and if not, just ask you to sign an papper to say that it's your responsability. But not get that panic, you know how it goes if someone 'rent' your car and do somethings wrong with it |
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| 11:27.11 | alexfranci | itchi, mmm |
| 11:27.17 | itchi | petemc: ISP blocking ports < 1024 |
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| 11:27.34 | itchi | petemc: About stupid ISP's if you preffer |
| 11:27.41 | somian[0] | Suddenly I feel like I need a Cray and a state of the art translation software program to read the channel |
| 11:27.45 | petemc | itchi: yes, thats what we initially were talking about, you seem to be talking about cars |
| 11:28.04 | petemc | itchi: as per my pervious statement, its a very good idea for most isps to block the smtp port |
| 11:28.05 | itchi | petemc: ... an example with cars |
| 11:28.13 | petemc | i dont get the analogy |
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| 11:28.25 | petemc | pervious statement! |
| 11:28.26 | itchi | petemc: Yeah, but these need to warn you what these do |
| 11:28.57 | itchi | No worry, i drop it :-p |
| 11:29.07 | petemc | if you get a 'residential' connection, expect not to be able to run a mail server |
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| 11:29.17 | itchi | petemc: Why? |
| 11:29.22 | petemc | and even if you can, expect people not to accept mail from you |
| 11:29.42 | duki | xand: cahoot : the module is present. I plugged a camescope (using pci bus), I restarted the PC, loaded the driver but still nothing. |
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| 11:29.52 | petemc | itchi: because most spam comes from zombie windows pcs on residential connections |
| 11:29.52 | itchi | I not see why someone are not allowed to run a mail server at home. Where is us freedom at all? |
| 11:30.02 | xand | duki: does lspci list it? |
| 11:30.03 | petemc | this is the world we live in |
| 11:30.04 | itchi | petemc: That's another problem that |
| 11:30.10 | cahoot | duki, dmesg? missing firmware? |
| 11:30.11 | petemc | itchi: its THE problem |
| 11:30.13 | xand | duki: you might need to "mknod" the device node manually |
| 11:30.23 | itchi | petemc: I not care, i not run windows at home :-) |
| 11:30.25 | petemc | itchi: a small group of people ruin it for everyone else, such is life |
| 11:30.41 | itchi | petemc: You're right on it |
| 11:30.52 | sep | itchi, running your own mailserver at home is a innocent thirdparty casuality in the spam wars |
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| 11:31.24 | itchi | You know, there are such many sad things people may do, just punish if he do somethings bad, that's is |
| 11:31.25 | wiedenmann | what is the name of the program to see terminfo entries? |
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| 11:31.34 | Ronin | wiedenmann: history |
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| 11:32.06 | wiedenmann | Ronin: no, I am talking about terminfo the replacement of termcap |
| 11:32.12 | itchi | With taking the freedom of people make the situation not better, realy not |
| 11:32.12 | Ronin | ahh |
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| 11:32.36 | itchi | Ronin: ISP's :-p |
| 11:33.07 | Ronin | ya but its clear like mud |
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| 11:33.58 | itchi | Bah, the world is hard :-p |
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| 11:34.44 | Ronin | itchi: no one ever said it would be easy or fair |
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| 11:35.01 | itchi | Ronin: Yeah |
| 11:35.33 | Arafangion | itchi: You sound like japanese numbers. |
| 11:35.45 | itchi | Realy not, i'm from Belgium |
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| 11:36.03 | Arafangion | itchi: Very well. |
| 11:36.04 | itchi | My english sucks anyway hehe |
| 11:36.08 | somian[0] | Yeah |
| 11:36.16 | Arafangion | itchi: For a second language, it's adequate :) |
| 11:36.35 | itchi | Arafangion: French, Dutch and spahetti English :-) |
| 11:36.45 | zoghome | if I have an lvm device, and I create a partition table on that device, how do I access those partitions as devices? |
| 11:36.51 | Arafangion | itchi: Nice :) I'm learning a new language as well, but while doing uni full time it's not that easy! |
| 11:37.05 | itchi | Arafangion: Life is hard heh :-p |
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| 11:37.27 | Arafangion | itchi: And I learnt my first language as a blind person learnt to draw. |
| 11:37.37 | duki | cahoot: xand : lspci doese'nt detect the conexant capture card. :( 2 years ago it was detected and worked using the cs2388xx module. |
| 11:37.41 | itchi | Arafangion: How so? |
| 11:37.46 | Arafangion | itchi: I'm deaf :) |
| 11:37.59 | itchi | Arafangion: ow, i'm sorry for you |
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| 11:38.08 | raddy | Hi all |
| 11:38.12 | duki | cx2388xx |
| 11:38.13 | sep | zoghome, you made no sense. have you made a logical volume ? |
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| 11:38.23 | HostilePenguin | is it stupid to put bind9 and apache2 on same pc? |
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| 11:38.26 | Arafangion | itchi: Why? |
| 11:38.28 | raddy | is it possible to install jpackage stuff in debian?? |
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| 11:38.31 | petemc | zoghome: erm, you dont? you create logical volumes in the volume group, those are the devices you put filesystems onto |
| 11:38.40 | itchi | Arafangion: Cause your deaf |
| 11:39.00 | Arafangion | itchi: My deafness is part of who I am. |
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| 11:39.13 | itchi | Arafangion: Good to take it so :-) |
| 11:39.40 | Arafangion | itchi: Heh. :) Actualyl I'm a very successful cochlear implant user, so it's good - some situations are frustrating, though. |
| 11:39.42 | Lynoure | I wish I had a bit less acute hearing. :/ |
| 11:40.01 | Arafangion | itchi: And I'm learning Auslan :) (Which is the sign language used in my country) |
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| 11:40.56 | fireba11 | Arafangion: isn't sign language international ? |
| 11:40.58 | HostilePenguin | should name server be seperate from web server? |
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| 11:41.04 | zoghome | petemc: sep: lets just say I have a HD disk image copied onto an LVM for use in Xen, how do i access the partitions as sep. devices, now they are on an lvm device rather than a physical disk? |
| 11:41.05 | Arafangion | fireba11: No. |
| 11:41.10 | itchi | fireba11: That would be nice |
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| 11:42.06 | petemc | zoghome: you map the lv to a drive in the xen config - disk = ['phy:/dev/mapper/foovg-barlv,hda1.. |
| 11:42.06 | [BKAF]Elias | hm..has someone an idea why eth0 gets kicked out if i put a second networkccard in my pc ? |
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| 11:42.48 | petemc | zoghome: i presume you mean there are partions in the disk image, in which case i wouldnt know how that would work |
| 11:43.15 | AnalTerror | ETCH IS NOW STABLE |
| 11:43.15 | itchi | [BKAF]Elias: What mean you with kicked out? |
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| 11:43.43 | zoghome | petemc: so Xen can do it, can linux do it without us firing up xen (this is to do something tricky with xen)? there are a few comments on the net for doing similar trickery with loopback devices and disk images as files, but lvm is way better for manipulating stuff that is to be used with Xen |
| 11:43.46 | Arafangion | anordby: Old news. |
| 11:43.56 | [BKAF]Elias | hm..there's no eth0 anymore in my ifconfig |
| 11:44.22 | itchi | [BKAF]Elias: ifconfig -a ?? |
| 11:44.24 | zoghome | hmm maybe #xen will know |
| 11:44.24 | Arafangion | [BKAF]Elias: See the man page. |
| 11:44.25 | petemc | zoghome: i use lvm with xen, but as i said, i dont know how you would work around your partitioned disk image problem |
| 11:45.12 | petemc | zoghome: did you use dd to copy the lv. or.. ? |
| 11:45.13 | zoghome | petemc: its more an interesting tech issue that will make Xen a lot better for doing evil things to WinNT images.. and we like doing eveil things to windows from within linux |
| 11:45.31 | petemc | ok, well good luck with that :) |
| 11:45.36 | petemc | im away for lunch |
| 11:45.46 | somian[0] | I remember reading that deaf orphaned/poor kids in Nicaragua or someplace invented their own sign language |
| 11:46.04 | Arafangion | If windows could be executed within Xen, such that it is "on the metal", is it virtualization? |
| 11:46.22 | Arafangion | somian[0]: Wouldnt' surprise me, but that's called "home sign". |
| 11:46.27 | [BKAF]Elias | hm..if i put the second card in my pc...both nics don't work |
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| 11:46.55 | g00se | Is it possible to run a virtual (higher) kernel using Linux-VServer? |
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| 11:49.19 | somian[0] | It developed so fast and got so sophisticated that the linguists went there to study it |
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| 11:50.53 | g00se | petemc: Is it possible to run a higher virtual kernel than on dom0 in xen? |
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| 11:51.16 | Arafangion | g00se: Ask again in 4 minutes, I'm sure someone will respond. |
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| 11:51.52 | abrotman | or ask #xen ? |
| 11:51.54 | zoghome | petemc: think it's a dd image, Coworker made it |
| 11:52.22 | g00se | Arafangion: shall do |
| 11:53.04 | shadey | I am using vsftpd... is it possible to force the goup on files/dirs that a user creates, much like how 'forece group =' works with samba? |
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| 11:53.31 | mkl1525 | Hi, top is good to see what all processes do but is there a tool to monitor a single process? |
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| 11:54.24 | itchi | mkl1525: btw, Take a look to htop, as replacement for top |
| 11:54.28 | tenzind | hi , which etch iso should i use for intel xeon machines?? is it i386? |
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| 11:54.33 | Nikopoika | not sure to monitor but i use often "ps aux | grep <program>" |
| 11:54.51 | abrotman | tenzind: newer xeons ? |
| 11:54.59 | itchi | mkl1525: Otherwise theres 'ps' too |
| 11:55.00 | abrotman | itchi: atop |
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| 11:55.19 | itchi | abrotman: Wait, i install it :-p |
| 11:55.24 | tenzind | abortman: 32 bit |
| 11:55.43 | abrotman | tenzind: then yes .. i386 |
| 11:55.53 | tenzind | abortok .. thanks |
| 11:56.00 | abrotman | that's a new one :) |
| 11:56.03 | Miles_Prower | http://www.superdickery.com/stupor/74.html [sfw and awesome] |
| 11:56.04 | tenzind | abortman: thanks |
| 11:56.17 | itchi | mkl1525: Did you follow what abrotman told too? |
| 11:56.18 | tenzind | :) |
| 11:56.22 | mkl1525 | itchi, thanks will have a look |
| 11:56.34 | itchi | mkl1525: That atop looks what you need |
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| 12:00.34 | somian[0] | Grr, which library has all these things like "tputs" and "tgoto" ? |
| 12:01.35 | frank | ncurses? |
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| 12:02.23 | abrotman | mkl1525: ? |
| 12:02.28 | abrotman | oh .. ok |
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| 12:02.37 | somian[0] | libtermcap |
| 12:02.51 | mkl1525 | abrotman, thanks to you of course too :)) |
| 12:03.04 | sanelson | I've followed the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and complete the m-a install of the nvidia drivers, but on dpkg-reconfigure I don't see an nvidia option; what's likely the problem? |
| 12:03.06 | abrotman | have a nice day! |
| 12:03.09 | somian[0] | Thanks frank. Doing a bit o' cross compiling and SQLite is not endowed with great makefile skillz |
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| 12:11.23 | null- | I would like to use Mutt as my email client. I'm used to using Mutt + msmtp. However, `apt-get install mutt msmtp` seems to also draw in exif. However, `apt-get install mutt ssmtp` does *not* draw in exif. How come!? I want to use Mutt with a GMail account. Should I simply go for ssmtp rather than msmtp? |
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| 12:13.16 | litage_ | after installing mouseemu, it said "No uinput device found! Make sure the uinput module is loaded or CONFIG_INPUT_UINPUT is compiled into the kernel". i went into menuconfig and found that CONFIG_INPUT_UINPUT is located under "Device Drivers > Input Device support > Generic input layer". however, "Generic input layer" is inaccessible: it says "---" to the left. how can i get into this sub-menu? |
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| 12:14.08 | cast | home gig eth, cat5e or cat6? |
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| 12:15.32 | litage_ | cast: cat5e unless the price increase to cat6 is negligible |
| 12:15.43 | ApEtc | cast: 5e, 6 is expensive and won' |
| 12:15.50 | ApEtc | cast: 5e, 6 is expensive and won't offer that significant a difference |
| 12:15.58 | abrotman | if you've got money to throw away .. cat6!! |
| 12:16.25 | abrotman | isn't cat6 rated to 10Gb ? while cat5e just 1Gb ? |
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| 12:17.01 | abrotman | cast: of course ... you could just go 802.11n and skip all the wires |
| 12:17.08 | N1ckR | What do I need to play wmv's ? i have totem and mplayer installed |
| 12:17.12 | abrotman | and non-free drivers galore! |
| 12:17.17 | abrotman | !tell N1ckR about w32codecs |
| 12:17.25 | xand | wireless sucks as a replacement for wired |
| 12:17.32 | wols_ | how much more is cat6 compared to cat5e? |
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| 12:17.49 | g00se | In practice, are errors often caused by running with higher kernel than stable on stable? |
| 12:17.50 | xand | well, sucks in general really ;) |
| 12:17.51 | abrotman | xand: that's debateable |
| 12:17.53 | Kevin` | wireless is great as a replacement for wires in things that move |
| 12:17.56 | xand | abrotman: no it's not. |
| 12:17.58 | xand | :P |
| 12:17.59 | abrotman | yes itis |
| 12:18.02 | N1ckR | Thx abrotman :D |
| 12:18.05 | cast | abrotman: yeah, but i don't like the neighbours using my net |
| 12:18.17 | xand | abrotman: go replace a datacenter's wiring with wifi cards. |
| 12:18.21 | abrotman | cast: WAP? mac filters? |
| 12:18.27 | abrotman | xand: not a problem |
| 12:18.27 | xand | *WPA |
| 12:18.30 | xand | abrotman: haha. |
| 12:18.31 | Kevin` | I don't know any anyone would recommend N though, I don't think drivers even exist for it yet |
| 12:18.33 | abrotman | erm .. yeah .. WPA! |
| 12:18.34 | litage_ | in the kernel menuconfig, what does it mean if an option has "---" to its left? |
| 12:18.49 | xand | 802.11g is fine for general stuff, but I wouldn't replace my wired network. |
| 12:18.51 | cast | abrotman: i just have a huge amount of confidence in the security and reliability of a cable over wireless |
| 12:18.59 | wols_ | abrotman: WAP is not what you think it is :) |
| 12:19.03 | abrotman | Kevin`: he didn't say it was for linux .. he's asking for netowrking help in a linux channel ... |
| 12:19.06 | wols_ | and MAC filtering is uselsss mostly |
| 12:19.09 | abrotman | wols_: i know! |
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| 12:19.18 | abrotman | can't i fat finger anything in here? |
| 12:19.32 | Kevin` | once N is an approved standard, and has at least two reasonable vendors, i'd recommend it |
| 12:19.37 | wols_ | and WPA-PSK isn't too hot either. at least not really secure |
| 12:20.04 | abrotman | Kevin`: define 'reasonable' |
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| 12:20.18 | Kevin` | wols_ aren't the only attacks on wpa-psk dictionary based? |
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| 12:20.30 | liable | thats what i thought |
| 12:20.42 | wols_ | Kevin`: there are some ways. it's not fully secure. WPA with radious apparently is tho |
| 12:20.51 | wols_ | *radius |
| 12:21.00 | Kevin` | abrotman made a reasonable and useful effort to support their well designed product |
| 12:21.10 | Kevin` | some ways? |
| 12:21.14 | abrotman | Kevin`: if it makes you feel better .. Dlink only has beta drivers for vista for their 'n' products :) |
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| 12:21.40 | Kevin` | it doesn't make me trust dlink any more.. |
| 12:21.52 | Kevin` | not that dlink makes wireless radios |
| 12:21.52 | liable | seeing as n isnt even ratified yet |
| 12:21.57 | cast | dlinks the reason i'm getting this 20 meters of cat5e :\, new adsl router keeps dropping, to be fair to it im going to remove the 30m phone extension cord |
| 12:22.15 | abrotman | liable: but it's all firmware |
| 12:22.22 | Kevin` | cast are you using cat5 phone cable? |
| 12:22.31 | cast | [old now dead linksys had no issues, well, till it died] |
| 12:22.47 | cast | Kevin`: uh, its two connector, so i don't think so |
| 12:22.51 | abrotman | cast: i have more issues with my current linksys then i did with my dlink |
| 12:22.55 | michael____ | hey does debian come with a firewall or do i have to install a firewall and if i have to install a firewall which is a good firewall to get? |
| 12:23.14 | Kevin` | I no longer trust consumer hardware/software combinations like routers, at all. if I can replace the firmware I compare by hardware capabilities, otherwise I don't get it |
| 12:23.16 | abrotman | michael____: it's not on by default ... |
| 12:23.26 | cast | abrotman: i'm really impressed that i can telnet into my linksys and observe it running thttpd and linux 2.4.17 :) |
| 12:23.30 | michael____ | ok so how to turn it on |
| 12:23.39 | GutterPunk | michael____, iptables is used for firewalling |
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| 12:23.49 | cast | abrotman: ahh, i mean dlink*. the linksys was a black box |
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| 12:24.04 | wols_ | michael____: you don't need a firewall |
| 12:24.06 | Kevin` | cast which linksys? |
| 12:24.07 | GutterPunk | michael____, you have to configure it manually, or you can use tools such as shorewall or fwbuilder (on KDE) |
| 12:24.12 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 12:24.12 | dpkg | iptables is, like, the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 12:24.17 | Kevin` | black boxes are only black until you open them :) |
| 12:24.26 | michael____ | oh ok |
| 12:24.36 | cast | Kevin`: the now brick is a ag041 |
| 12:24.42 | abrotman | i found out my dead dlink had a wifi card that i could pull out and put in my laptop and use with the acx110 driver :) |
| 12:24.54 | michael____ | wols_: why don't i need a firewall |
| 12:25.22 | Kevin` | a lot of old noname wireless routers have prism2 pcmcia cards |
| 12:25.24 | wols_ | michael____: against what attacks do you want to protect yourself? |
| 12:25.33 | GutterPunk | michael____, are you directly connected to the internet using your linux computer? or is there a router in between? |
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| 12:26.00 | michael____ | i am directly connected to the internet |
| 12:26.06 | cast | Kevin`: i agree. all consumer level adsl+routers i looked at suck. its just trying to find one that sucks in a way you can tolerate. i really wish someone would make something decent that didn't cost a huge amount :< |
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| 12:26.21 | Insolit | how come can a drive not to be listed in uuid drives list? |
| 12:26.31 | Kevin` | cast some adsl routers can run standard linux |
| 12:26.44 | Kevin` | cast if I ever get a new one, that will be a requirement :) |
| 12:26.46 | michael____ | and i just thought that i might need every day protection for my system |
| 12:27.06 | wols_ | Kevin`: "standard linux" is an interesting term... |
| 12:27.07 | cast | Kevin`: aye, i looked at openwrt. that will run on my router "fine", but is still a work in progress. so thats the long term plan :) |
| 12:27.14 | Kevin` | wols_ not uclinux |
| 12:27.24 | wols_ | cast: openwrt has no dsl modem |
| 12:27.43 | Kevin` | wols_ http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware |
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| 12:29.05 | cast | wols_: oh :( slight oversight on my part |
| 12:29.21 | wols_ | wtf? my router has an acx111 and can do WPA (it's a linux based AR7 router with linux 2.4.17) |
| 12:29.28 | wols_ | how come my acx10 can't do WPA? |
| 12:29.32 | Kevin` | what slight oversight? it DOES run on dsl modems |
| 12:29.40 | schallst1om | ehm, I know this is pretty off topic, but at least I |
| 12:29.45 | schallst1om | sorry |
| 12:30.03 | wols_ | Kevin`: none of the ones with a DSL modem is supported |
| 12:30.03 | cast | Kevin`: and the dsl component works? |
| 12:30.14 | wols_ | Kevin`: on which DSL modem? |
| 12:30.20 | Kevin` | cast from what i've heard talking to the developers who work on them, yes |
| 12:30.39 | wireddd | michael____: as long as you have a good password you should be ok |
| 12:31.08 | wols_ | ok: Aztech DSL600EW is supported, running AR7 (a DSL modem with MIPS core) |
| 12:31.19 | michael____ | wireddd: ok kool |
| 12:31.38 | Kevin` | if you want the current truth ask the [mbm] or somebody in #openwrt |
| 12:31.39 | wols_ | michael____: what ports/services do you have open to the net? |
| 12:31.47 | michael____ | thanks for the info and help everyone |
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| 12:32.29 | schallst1om | Can anyone tell me why my nick is always changing from 'schallstrom' to 'schallst1om' after a while or tell me which IRC channel would be more appropriate to ask this? (I'm such a noob in IRC...) |
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| 12:32.54 | michael____ | wols_: ports/service like....http... |
| 12:33.04 | cast | schallst1om: your irc client is doing that because schallstrom is taken, i imagine |
| 12:33.06 | wols_ | michael____: netstat -anp |grep LIST |
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| 12:33.22 | michael____ | wols_: ports/service i have no idea |
| 12:33.43 | michael____ | wols_: ok use that command in console |
| 12:33.50 | wols_ | then find out |
| 12:33.50 | schallst1om | cast: but I registered the nickname with a password. and doesn't it normally append _ to the nick if the actual nick is already in use? |
| 12:34.05 | wols_ | schallst1om: no. that's a function of your client |
| 12:34.11 | wols_ | can be anything. often it is a _, yes |
| 12:34.24 | cast | schallst1om: thats what i was thinking...irssi adds a _ for me :\ but i can't remember if that was the default |
| 12:34.48 | cast | schallst1om: change your nick to schallstrom for now anyway. then when it changes maybe we'll notice why |
| 12:35.04 | schallst1om | cast: yes, I think appended _ is the default in irssi and i'm using irssi and did not change that default |
| 12:35.54 | michael____ | wols_: ok i got some results here you want to see it? |
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| 12:36.18 | schallst1om | cast: i'm trying to do /nick schallstrom but nothing seems to happen |
| 12:36.56 | schallstrom | alright, now it worked |
| 12:37.26 | wols_ | yes, use a pastebin |
| 12:37.30 | cast | schallstrom: there is a #irssi and #freenode, either of them will probably help you |
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| 12:38.02 | schallstrom | cast: okay, then i'll ask there. thanks for your help so far! |
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| 12:38.25 | petemc | there usually info in the status window, #1 |
| 12:38.31 | michael____ | pastebin? |
| 12:39.01 | Insolit | anyone knows a tool to get the UUID of a drive? |
| 12:39.08 | Insolit | *device |
| 12:39.43 | khaleel5000 | hello , i need a repo for installing QT , i dont have any repo in /etc/apt/source.list (installed linux via dvd ) |
| 12:39.50 | khaleel5000 | using debain ETCh |
| 12:39.57 | wols_ | Kevin`: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 12:40.59 | michael____ | wols_:should i paste the results in the text bar and send it? |
| 12:41.15 | Ronin | michael____: use pastebin.ca |
| 12:41.51 | michael____ | Ronin: how to do that? |
| 12:42.20 | Ronin | michael____: you can copy and paste right? well go to that website paste in whatever it is, click submit and tell us the url |
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| 12:43.30 | Insolit | no one here knows anything about UUID?! |
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| 12:43.50 | michael____ | oh ok |
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| 12:44.37 | MolePrince | !ver |
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| 12:46.12 | wols_ | Insolit: /msg dpkg uuid |
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| 12:46.55 | Insolit | well that does not tell my anything new |
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| 12:47.12 | Insolit | i need to understand how come a reiserfs partition does not have an UUID |
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| 12:48.00 | cast | the cynic in me says 'who cares! just mkfs.reiserfs and dump your backup back on' |
| 12:48.27 | cast | [cynic because i know you probably don't have a up to date backup :\] |
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| 12:48.47 | chemaja1 | cast or a verified one |
| 12:48.55 | chemaja1 | or knowledge on how to actually do the extract |
| 12:48.58 | sandman | Is there a way to modify startup programs for a specific user in GNOME? |
| 12:48.59 | michael____ | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/561366 |
| 12:49.16 | sandman | Such that when that user logs in, irssi and the like might be start, etc... |
| 12:49.24 | chemaja1 | sandman, Preferences > Sessions |
| 12:49.25 | michael____ | Ronin: http://pastebin.ca/561366 |
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| 12:50.25 | dav7 | w00t! |
| 12:50.28 | dav7 | 768 users :D |
| 12:50.32 | xand | O.o |
| 12:50.37 | dav7 | heheh |
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| 12:51.02 | cahoot | tell you something of how problematic linux is |
| 12:51.10 | dav7 | me? |
| 12:51.13 | dav7 | okay :D |
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| 12:51.23 | cahoot | the high number of ircers |
| 12:51.29 | dav7 | ...? |
| 12:51.49 | chemaja1 | "problematic" |
| 12:52.08 | kriebel | I'm in here for help with new and difficult things |
| 12:52.13 | cahoot | non-easy |
| 12:52.20 | chemaja1 | aah |
| 12:52.22 | petemc | not a great metric, all things considered |
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| 12:52.41 | chemaja1 | cahoot, who said Linux was meant to be easy :) |
| 12:52.44 | Coweater | how can i check my network connection speed? |
| 12:52.50 | petemc | Coweater: dmesg, ethtool |
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| 12:52.56 | cast | sandman: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/50 relevent d-a article |
| 12:53.02 | cahoot | chemaja1, I'm not complaining |
| 12:53.12 | Coweater | ethtool, that's the one, thanks petemc |
| 12:53.13 | chemaja1 | cahoot, i am :P |
| 12:53.17 | MolePrince | !ver |
| 12:53.20 | chemaja1 | nah not really |
| 12:53.24 | MolePrince | !versions |
| 12:53.26 | MolePrince | !version |
| 12:53.26 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 12:53.32 | chemaja1 | once you learn Emacs, everything else follows ;) |
| 12:53.42 | Ronin | MolePrince: what do you want to know? |
| 12:53.46 | dav7 | how does one install VNC Server? |
| 12:53.55 | MolePrince | Ronin: Which kernels are current in which releases. :) |
| 12:54.00 | dav7 | haha |
| 12:54.11 | kriebel | there are several vnc servers |
| 12:54.16 | dav7 | okay |
| 12:54.21 | kriebel | do you want to see your desktop, or make a terminal server? |
| 12:54.22 | dav7 | preferably one with ncache |
| 12:54.25 | dav7 | the desktop. |
| 12:54.31 | keith4 | kriebel: !! |
| 12:54.37 | keith4 | shouldn't you be working? |
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| 12:54.43 | kriebel | lol... roe is sleeping |
| 12:54.50 | kriebel | shouldn't you? |
| 12:54.53 | keith4 | i am |
| 12:55.21 | kriebel | I'll tell people how to use VNC when all of you get hacking on qemu and I can install etch without it shitting itself |
| 12:55.36 | keith4 | most people who ask for vncserver want x11vnc |
| 12:55.47 | keith4 | since it uses the current x session |
| 12:55.49 | sandman | cast: Thank you |
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| 12:55.55 | petemc | kriebel: whats the problem installing etch? |
| 12:55.55 | chemaja1 | kriebel, QEMU is a pita isn't it |
| 12:56.02 | Kevin` | I love qemu |
| 12:56.08 | chemaja1 | kriebel, i think there's some issue where the good part is non-free |
| 12:56.11 | kriebel | well right now it's stuck installing packages |
| 12:56.12 | Kevin` | once you get used the the options, it's the most powerful emulator out there |
| 12:56.14 | wols_ | michael____: do you use NFS? |
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| 12:56.24 | assasukasse | i did install vnc to use my current session |
| 12:56.24 | wols_ | michael____: if not, deinstall your portmapper |
| 12:56.27 | assasukasse | is pretty trivial |
| 12:56.34 | chemaja1 | kriebel, it was flaky as hell for me on Etch when trying to run 2000/XP Pro |
| 12:56.34 | kriebel | the farthest I've gotten is the end of the install and it won't install grub |
| 12:56.47 | kriebel | I'm trying to run etch on sid |
| 12:56.53 | michael____ | wols_: na i don't use it....ok |
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| 12:56.57 | Ronin | run etch on sid? |
| 12:57.03 | cast | FWIW if its over the lan there's no need for vnc, since x was designed to run over the network anyway |
| 12:57.05 | kriebel | I've upgraded from etch to lenny to sid in hopes of getting a version of qemu that works |
| 12:57.08 | chemaja1 | kriebel, i ended up switching to the free (beer) VMware Server (because I don't have a virt chip to run Xen, etc.) |
| 12:57.22 | kriebel | I've used Xen |
| 12:57.24 | liable | huh? |
| 12:57.27 | abrotman | kriebel: qemu works in etch |
| 12:57.27 | assasukasse | chemaja1: try virtualbox |
| 12:57.28 | Kevin` | kriebel why not just get a version from qemu's site directly |
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| 12:57.33 | kriebel | it's doesn't need hw virtualization |
| 12:57.42 | assasukasse | in my pc overperformed many times quemu and vmware |
| 12:57.44 | chemaja1 | abrotman, not for all cases |
| 12:57.47 | assasukasse | qemu |
| 12:57.48 | abrotman | such as? |
| 12:57.49 | kriebel | I'm tarball averse on Debian servers |
| 12:58.01 | Kevin` | vmware works better for windows but isn't as powerful as qemu |
| 12:58.01 | chemaja1 | abrotman, 2k/xp on my P4 (a very vanilla Etch) |
| 12:58.02 | kriebel | and I tried that and it didn't work |
| 12:58.04 | abrotman | kriebel: what about vmware didn't work ? |
| 12:58.10 | kriebel | and built a version that requires SDL or something |
| 12:58.12 | cast | kriebel: it does need hw virtualization to run windows |
| 12:58.15 | abrotman | chemaja1: 2k works fine here |
| 12:58.21 | kriebel | oh |
| 12:58.22 | chemaja1 | abrotman, issues where service packs don't apply. it gets stuck on heavy load |
| 12:58.26 | chemaja1 | abrotman, consider yourself lucky |
| 12:58.27 | abrotman | chemaja1: and read the FAQ about XP |
| 12:58.27 | kriebel | why would you want to run Windows? |
| 12:58.35 | assasukasse | Xp works fine here with vmware, just slow and sometime buggy about usb |
| 12:58.39 | abrotman | chemaja1: i blame you .. not qemu :) |
| 12:58.41 | chemaja1 | kriebel, some of us have to |
| 12:58.44 | assasukasse | Xp works GREAT with virtualbox here |
| 12:58.45 | chemaja1 | which FAQ? |
| 12:59.00 | cast | kriebel: xen doesn't need AMD-V, or IVT, if the OS has been ported to run on xen. if it hasn't, like windows, then you need those HW extensions |
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| 12:59.10 | kriebel | I know the details |
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| 12:59.13 | abrotman | the qemu faq (or maybe that was the xen faq when i was researching that) |
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| 12:59.35 | michael____ | wols_: i deinstall it |
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| 12:59.55 | assasukasse | i have a fun question about ssh and vnc..i use vnc tru ssh tunnel and rsa key to access my server...since it happens, that i need to access it from a windows computer, how can i do that? |
| 12:59.59 | chemaja1 | abrotman, shrug. i spent a week part-time on it, no more |
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| 13:00.15 | chemaja1 | abrotman, next step for me is Xen/KVM on a virt chip |
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| 13:00.33 | nn_ | does anyone know a nice worldclock that displays several analog clocks in parallel? |
| 13:00.36 | kriebel | assasukasse, do you have a UNIX machine on the same network as your windows workstation? |
| 13:00.55 | assasukasse | kriebel: usually no, in my network there are no wincoz virus :D |
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| 13:01.34 | kriebel | what's a wincoz virus? |
| 13:01.34 | assasukasse | kriebel: windows is a virus itself.. |
| 13:01.49 | chemaja1 | windows isn't a virus, windows is a turd that viruses breed in ;) |
| 13:01.50 | kriebel | some of the for-pay VNC programs use encryption |
| 13:01.57 | abrotman | chemaja1: i didn't use xen because it couldn't do something i wanted .. don't remember now |
| 13:02.06 | chemaja1 | abrotman, remote mgmt? |
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| 13:02.13 | assasukasse | im tired of selfrebooting workstation, bsod and other funny events that windows give...so i got rid |
| 13:02.22 | kriebel | also, there might be a windows port of stunnel or something |
| 13:02.23 | abrotman | chemaja1: nope .. something about what it could or could not run .. or something .. don't remember |
| 13:02.30 | chemaja1 | in other news my XP install runs faster in VMware on my P4 than native on my P3 -- yay |
| 13:02.56 | abrotman | chemaja1: this was awhile ago .. so i went with qemu which has its own problems (though i'm not sure i can actually blame qemu for those issues) |
| 13:02.59 | chemaja1 | abrotman, probably couldn't run unmodified guest host (Windows) on a non-virt chip (this is my current problem) -- QEMU has a mode which supports this |
| 13:03.09 | abrotman | chemaja1: i have the correct CPU |
| 13:03.13 | chemaja1 | ok |
| 13:03.14 | chemaja1 | *shrugs* |
| 13:03.17 | abrotman | pacifica or whatever it is |
| 13:03.19 | kriebel | or dare I suggest Cygwin |
| 13:03.20 | assasukasse | kriebel: there is a way, using putty, ssh, and tightvncviewer..but is pretty long.. |
| 13:03.34 | chemaja1 | cygwin is a bag of shize -- used it for a couple years |
| 13:03.40 | assasukasse | kriebel: no, usually i don't have permission to install stuffs to control my server... |
| 13:03.46 | chemaja1 | nice effort, but you can't do much with windows as ur base |
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| 13:03.55 | abrotman | !ur |
| 13:03.56 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 13:03.56 | kriebel | well then it isn't your server |
| 13:04.08 | cast | if i have 2 workstations and a switch, with a MTU greater than 1500, can i then plug in my dlink adsl router into the same switch, which as i understand it has probably has a max MTU of 1500, and have workstation-router communication at MTU=1500, and workstation-workstation communication at MTU>1500. or is this all going to assplode on me |
| 13:04.10 | chemaja1 | abrotman, what ur tryna say |
| 13:04.12 | chemaja1 | :P |
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| 13:04.59 | cast | i want to get the most out of gig eth via using jumboframes |
| 13:05.12 | kriebel | cast: you can't do that, that I know of |
| 13:05.13 | abrotman | eh .. it's only live data .. what could go wrong |
| 13:05.19 | kriebel | maybe if you used bridges |
| 13:05.32 | chemaja1 | abrotman, ulimit ur shell |
| 13:05.36 | chemaja1 | that's right, ur |
| 13:05.54 | abrotman | chemaja1: on a windows box? |
| 13:05.57 | chemaja1 | oh |
| 13:05.59 | chemaja1 | pooz |
| 13:06.12 | kriebel | that doesn't count! |
| 13:06.21 | chemaja1 | there's probably a way, maybe scour Microsoft KB |
| 13:06.41 | abrotman | chemaja1: i'm not worried about the CPU load .. i'm worried about the live data |
| 13:07.01 | kriebel | the dead data worry about themselves |
| 13:07.39 | chemaja1 | live data and thousands of lines of side effects... hrm... maybe organise a maintenance window and take a backup? |
| 13:08.10 | abrotman | bah .. where's the adventure in that |
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| 13:08.45 | abrotman | he's at debconf? |
| 13:09.18 | abrotman | what? |
| 13:09.24 | petemc | who is? |
| 13:09.24 | abrotman | i didn't say anything about dell! |
| 13:09.28 | petemc | :) |
| 13:09.31 | abrotman | petemc: --> faw (i=felipe@conference/debconf/x-ea009780f75fb91f) has joined #debian |
| 13:09.39 | petemc | ah, right |
| 13:09.56 | kriebel | The following packages are BROKEN: |
| 13:09.56 | kriebel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:10.06 | kriebel | straight from the horse's mouth!!! |
| 13:10.41 | fireba11 | yay |
| 13:11.32 | sandman | ##gnome appears to be idle. Anyone know how to disable desktop effects in GNOME? |
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| 13:12.09 | abrotman | sandman: try #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:12.18 | kriebel | what effects? |
| 13:12.41 | sandman | Desktop Effects. Something about compiz |
| 13:13.04 | kriebel | if you have compiz running, you turned it on |
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| 13:16.06 | cast | hmmm, alright. having a 100Mbit nic plugged into a 1Gbit switch with everyone else at 1Gbit works fine right? the whole network isn't going to get reduced to 100Mbit correct? |
| 13:16.20 | badcfe | i seem to not have the system include files for c compiling. what package is that in? |
| 13:16.44 | badcfe | is there some meta package i need to install ion order to do c development |
| 13:16.44 | liable | !b-e badcfe |
| 13:16.44 | dpkg | badcfe: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 13:19.52 | techbee | sandman:go to preferences->session->startup program->disable compiz |
| 13:20.02 | badcfe | also, i seem to ned the mysqlclient headers and library. wheres that? |
| 13:20.13 | petemc | badcfe: /msg dpkg search |
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| 13:21.10 | Larl | What is the best version of Debian if I need to use Sun's Java SDK on Debian? |
| 13:21.30 | badcfe | petemc: is there some apt command to know what (not installed) package would countain a desired file path? |
| 13:21.43 | petemc | badcfe: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:21.49 | petemc | read it |
| 13:23.09 | badcfe | petemc: apt-cache search mysql.h gives nothing |
| 13:23.17 | Larl | Looks like I need unstable. |
| 13:23.32 | frank | badcfe: what you want is apt-file |
| 13:23.39 | petemc | badcfe: you can read, yes? |
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| 13:24.27 | badcfe | apt-file search mysql.h gives nothing |
| 13:24.45 | petemc | give up, turn off the computer |
| 13:24.48 | petemc | go do something else |
| 13:25.35 | badcfe | guess i needed to do apt-file update |
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| 13:26.04 | wols_ | badcfe: use pdo |
| 13:26.06 | wols_ | faster |
| 13:26.16 | petemc | the first time |
| 13:26.23 | petemc | apt-file is a useful thing to have installed |
| 13:26.42 | wols_ | petemc: here on sid, less so. on etch it's different |
| 13:26.55 | petemc | thanks for the pointer |
| 13:27.03 | badcfe | i have lenny here. thanks for apt-file search knowledge |
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| 13:29.19 | Phil4 | hi guys, has anyone had any luck getting bind9 to listen on IPv6 addresses? I read that you just need listen-on-v6 { any; }; in your /etc/named.conf, however syslog says this is an invalid option |
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| 13:30.52 | mikipat | grep question - i need to find a negative value (minus 6) in a large directory. I go : grep -6 name_of_dir but i get no outpu from bash.what am i doing wrong? |
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| 13:31.26 | wols_ | mikipat: filename or somethng inside a file? |
| 13:31.43 | mikipat | wols something inside a file |
| 13:31.46 | wols_ | and -6 in asci or in hex? |
| 13:31.55 | mikipat | asci |
| 13:31.58 | keith4 | does `grep "-6" *` work? |
| 13:32.34 | dimir | mikipat: grep -- -6 dir -r |
| 13:32.59 | Night_oath | Is there anyone who can confirm that this is a debian server hosting the latest i386 testing iso image through bit torrent, as far as i can see there are 3 peers each with 0% and no seeds |
| 13:33.12 | Night_oath | that there is a debian server* |
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| 13:34.39 | mikipat | dimir, i get "-r no such file or dir,,," |
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| 13:35.17 | stew | Night_oath: i wouldn't be suprised if it were hard to find the latest testing iso on bittorrent since that image is rebuilt daily |
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| 13:35.34 | mikipat | keith4, it doesn't find anything, i know its there, however without the * it just seems to freeze and with the * I get a $ immidietly |
| 13:35.43 | dimir | mikipat: grep -r -- -6 dir |
| 13:35.56 | keith4 | it doesn't freeze, it's waiting for stdin to grep through |
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| 13:36.19 | keith4 | do what dimir suggested |
| 13:36.22 | keith4 | or use egrep |
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| 13:36.28 | mikipat | dimir - yep it worked ! |
| 13:36.33 | mikipat | thanks.... |
| 13:36.39 | mikipat | shouyld study more bash.... |
| 13:36.58 | dimir | \o/ |
| 13:37.01 | dimir | np |
| 13:37.11 | stew | that's not bash, that is getopt |
| 13:37.21 | mikipat | keith4, whats egrep? |
| 13:37.32 | somian[0] | $ egrep |
| 13:37.36 | _wfq | hey guys, i am using debian sarge installed in my laptop with ipw2200 driver. I have looked at my kernel's message by dmesg and i get my my ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2 |
| 13:37.36 | _wfq | ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 |
| 13:37.44 | stew | mikipat: grep with an extended regular expression syntax |
| 13:37.45 | cast | mikipat: `whatis egrep` |
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| 13:38.02 | stew | _wfq: did you install firmware to /lib/firmware? |
| 13:38.04 | Night_oath | stew: Excellent point :p |
| 13:38.05 | mikipat | will check the man page...just being lazy :-) |
| 13:38.05 | somian[0] | That mean you need identical twins (-2) to load the firmware for you |
| 13:38.13 | piti | hi I've compiled my own kernel, but now, I want to copile libxmi, and ./configure say me : checking host system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu': machine `x86_64-unknown' not recognized |
| 13:38.13 | piti | [...] checking build system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu': machine `x86_64-unknown' not recognized |
| 13:38.13 | piti | [...]ltconfig: you must specify a host type if you use `--no-verify' |
| 13:38.13 | piti | Try `ltconfig --help' for more information. |
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| 13:38.18 | _wfq | what i mean is i have recompiled my kernel to get 2.6.20 and i have recompiled ipw2200 even with the firmware |
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| 13:38.25 | dimir | mikipat: egrep is the same as "grep -E" |
| 13:38.32 | _wfq | stew, in theory yes |
| 13:38.53 | badblody | is there any dpkg-related command to reconfigure networl interfaces? |
| 13:38.55 | stew | _wfq: in theory? can you check it in reality? |
| 13:38.56 | _wfq | but it sounds as something is wrong |
| 13:39.07 | _wfq | stew, how can i check it? |
| 13:39.10 | stew | _wfq: it sounds like you never copied the firmware files to /lib/firmware |
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| 13:39.19 | _wfq | i have done all steps on the website |
| 13:39.25 | stew | _wfq: see if those files it is asking about are in /lib/firmware |
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| 13:40.11 | stew | badblody: no. /msg dpkg man interfaces ; or look at the etherconf package or the network-manager package |
| 13:40.25 | frank | badblody: just look at /etc/network/interfaces and maybe in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 13:40.33 | badblody | thx |
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| 13:40.53 | _wfq | stew, not at all. |
| 13:40.57 | _wfq | they are not |
| 13:41.32 | gypsymauro | hello:) what's the easiest way to add boot splash screen with progress bar in etch? |
| 13:41.41 | NelsonFx | _wfq, you need to download the firmware |
| 13:41.51 | _wfq | but i have /lib/modules/2.6.20/kernel/drivers/firmware |
| 13:42.11 | _wfq | ok, i am going to start again |
| 13:42.26 | cast | gypsymauro: no idea! we don't reboot often enough. |
| 13:42.27 | stew | _wfq: you don't have to start again, you just have to put the firmware in /lib/firmware |
| 13:42.42 | stew | gypsymauro: splashy is probably the easiest |
| 13:43.08 | _wfq | yes, i meant that |
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| 13:43.36 | NelsonFx | _wfq, no, did you read the README.Debian file ? |
| 13:43.59 | stew | NelsonFx: for which package? |
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| 13:45.07 | NelsonFx | stew, ipw2200-modules-<kernel-version> |
| 13:45.30 | stew | NelsonFx: there is no such package for 2.6.20 |
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| 13:46.18 | NelsonFx | stew, right, because the sid kernel upgrade |
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| 13:46.48 | NelsonFx | stew, http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
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| 13:46.52 | NelsonFx | _wfq, http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
| 13:47.16 | NelsonFx | http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/README.ipw2200 |
| 13:47.28 | stew | NelsonFx: and becuase its not a big deal, since the debian kernels already come with ipw2200 without needing that package at all |
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| 13:48.38 | NelsonFx | stew, right, but you still need the firmware |
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| 13:50.36 | user1_ | what's fastest email server |
| 13:51.07 | nofear | hi |
| 13:51.09 | NelsonFx | user1_, 4me, sendmail |
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| 13:51.44 | _wfq | stew, i have not got the /lib/firmware directory however i have got the firmware's contents into my /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware as /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent says |
| 13:51.50 | nofear | do you know how to build a rescue cd, based on debian, with a default root password and sshd enabled? |
| 13:52.06 | NelsonFx | user1_, but all depends for what you need it |
| 13:52.07 | nofear | and dhcp if available :D |
| 13:52.13 | _wfq | should i then create the firmware folder into /lib and put the content in? |
| 13:52.16 | user1_ | nofear, knoppix |
| 13:52.27 | stew | _wfq: is /usr a separate partition than / ? |
| 13:52.35 | _wfq | stew, yes |
| 13:52.42 | nofear | user1_, does knoppix have default root password and sshd enabled? |
| 13:52.43 | user1_ | NelsonFx, i want to setup an embedded system with anti-spam virus proxy and shit |
| 13:52.48 | _wfq | i have got separates partition |
| 13:52.51 | NelsonFx | _wfq, /lib/firmware |
| 13:52.52 | stew | _wfq: then you shouldn't have it on /usr but in /lib/firmware |
| 13:52.54 | NelsonFx | _wfq, yep |
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| 13:53.01 | nofear | if I recall correctly it does not |
| 13:53.23 | _wfq | ummmmmmm i understand now |
| 13:53.30 | NelsonFx | user1_, what arch ? |
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| 13:53.48 | _wfq | ... trying.. |
| 13:53.49 | user1_ | NelsonFx, doesn't matter, im going to use netbsd |
| 13:53.56 | stew | user1_: nofear: NelsonFx: please go to #knoppix to discuss knoppix |
| 13:54.04 | stew | user1_: do you have any debian related questions? |
| 13:54.21 | user1_ | yes |
| 13:54.27 | bdheeman | hi, friends! |
| 13:54.33 | nofear | stew, I'm not asking about knoppix |
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| 13:54.42 | stew | nofear: yes, you were |
| 13:54.56 | nofear | it was only a reply |
| 13:55.02 | NelsonFx | stew, i'm not talking about knoppix |
| 13:55.09 | stew | NelsonFx: yes, you were |
| 13:55.11 | bdheeman | i recently have dist-upgraded to xorg 7.2 on debian |
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| 13:55.12 | NelsonFx | user1_, sendmail |
| 13:55.20 | NelsonFx | stew, how ? |
| 13:55.26 | bdheeman | ! grep Version /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:55.31 | stew | NelsonFx: you are asking user1_ about his knoppix install |
| 13:55.43 | NelsonFx | steve, mmm, nope |
| 13:56.06 | abrotman | stew: it appears user1_ was telling nofear to use knoppix .. or i'm crazy |
| 13:56.08 | bdheeman | but the log says it is version 1.3.0 :9 |
| 13:56.08 | NelsonFx | stew, he ask about fastest MTA |
| 13:56.10 | abrotman | hrm .. the latter |
| 13:56.32 | user1_ | hey he started it, not me! |
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| 13:56.41 | NelsonFx | stew, i ask him about what arch he will run the system |
| 13:56.50 | user1_ | i was asking about smtp in debian |
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| 13:56.55 | stew | bah, sorry, i musunderstood user1_ as being a knoppix user. please pardon me |
| 13:57.01 | NelsonFx | stew, we never speak about knoppix |
| 13:57.02 | abrotman | !pardon stew |
| 13:57.05 | user1_ | i'm debian user |
| 13:57.05 | abrotman | :( |
| 13:57.14 | NelsonFx | stew, ok, no problem |
| 13:57.36 | wiedenmann | exit |
| 13:57.44 | _wfq | but if i do a locate ipw2200.o i should find this module in the case i had recompiled it |
| 13:57.47 | _wfq | isn't? |
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| 13:58.02 | nofear | if you have installed it, yes |
| 13:58.03 | Feto | i'm trying to install vmware... again... and it wants my "matching kernel sources"... i can't seem to be able to give them to it |
| 13:58.05 | stew | _wfq: 2.6 kernel modules are named .ko, not .o |
| 13:58.06 | jelly | _wfq: is .ko in 2.6 kernels |
| 13:58.16 | _wfq | ok |
| 13:58.16 | Swordxl | Hey, what is the command for show conections online? |
| 13:58.18 | NelsonFx | _wfq, what kernel version you have |
| 13:58.22 | stew | Swordxl: netstat |
| 13:58.29 | Swordxl | no |
| 13:58.31 | Swordxl | netstat no |
| 13:58.37 | stew | Swordxl: be more specific then |
| 13:58.43 | _wfq | 2.6.20 |
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| 13:59.15 | Swordxl | show current conections |
| 13:59.21 | stew | yeah, i'm thinking of making a ipw2200-firmware package for non-free |
| 13:59.22 | abrotman | jelly: i heard the firmware is stuck with gcc-doc :) |
| 13:59.27 | abrotman | Swordxl: netstat :) |
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| 13:59.33 | Swordxl | abrotman, no |
| 13:59.35 | abrotman | try it! |
| 13:59.44 | Swordxl | conections of my PC |
| 13:59.47 | user1_ | in debian, how do i save all apt-get install files, where should they be stored ? |
| 13:59.53 | stew | Swordxl: be more specific then. netstat is a command that would show you all your current network connections |
| 13:59.55 | abrotman | Swordxl: if not netstat .. then tell us what you want to see .. because netstat does *exactly* what you're asking |
| 14:00.07 | abrotman | user1_: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 14:00.18 | kakarot | abrotman i think Swordxl means a command that shows sockets |
| 14:00.20 | jelly | Swordxl: physical connections? what's your native language? |
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| 14:00.33 | Feto | i installed linux-headers, and it complains about it haven't been built |
| 14:00.34 | stew | kakarot: netstat |
| 14:00.36 | abrotman | kakarot: netstat :) |
| 14:00.49 | abrotman | kakarot: what is your bot doing? |
| 14:00.52 | Swordxl | no, netstat no |
| 14:00.54 | NelsonFx | _wfq, /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100.ko |
| 14:00.56 | abrotman | NETSTAT! |
| 14:01.05 | Feto | i installed linux-sources, and it complains about it not being -2.6.18-4 but -2.6.18 instead |
| 14:01.07 | jelly | abrotman: no means no |
| 14:01.08 | kakarot | abrotman my bot? |
| 14:01.09 | abrotman | !vagueness |
| 14:01.09 | dpkg | VAGUENESS CAUSES IMPOTENCE! |
| 14:01.18 | abrotman | kakarotBot: ? |
| 14:01.19 | Feto | but then, i can't seem to be able to get -2.6.18-4 |
| 14:01.21 | abrotman | i assume is yours |
| 14:01.25 | stew | Swordxl: in what way does netstat NOT tell you what you need? |
| 14:01.25 | Feto | what can I do? |
| 14:01.34 | NelsonFx | Feto, uname -r plz |
| 14:01.35 | user1_ | so if i want to upgrade a bunch of 3.1 box, what method should i use, do i make a cd with all needed packages in /apt/archives? |
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| 14:01.43 | stew | Swordxl: have you tried, for instance, "netstat -a" |
| 14:01.45 | kakarot | ahm, kakarotBot is recording logs |
| 14:01.46 | abrotman | !tell user1_ about sarge->etch |
| 14:01.48 | Feto | 6.2-STABLE |
| 14:01.51 | Feto | oops sorry |
| 14:01.54 | abrotman | kakarot: did you ask ? |
| 14:01.56 | Feto | wrong box :) |
| 14:02.00 | stew | user1_: look at apt-move or apt-zip |
| 14:02.04 | Muisje | Etch made my harddrive die! |
| 14:02.05 | NelsonFx | Feto, jejej, |
| 14:02.09 | Feto | 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 14:02.11 | Feto | :) |
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| 14:02.24 | kakarot | abrotman it's only a bitchx in a screen console |
| 14:02.28 | HostilePenguin | made your hd die? |
| 14:02.34 | abrotman | kakarot: are they publically available? |
| 14:02.35 | stew | abrotman: as long as the bot is silent, i don't think it is a problem. is it remaining silent? |
| 14:02.35 | jelly | Feto: it would be interesting if you had debian on the prvious one |
| 14:02.39 | _wfq | it does not make sense, i can't found it. |
| 14:02.40 | Muisje | Yeah, well it probably would've died anyway |
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| 14:02.48 | Muisje | But i like to blame something, so i blame etch. |
| 14:02.49 | NelsonFx | Feto, dpkg -l linux-image*amd64 |
| 14:02.50 | Feto | jelly: the previous what? |
| 14:02.53 | kakarot | abrotman do you mean the logs ? |
| 14:02.56 | jelly | Feto: uname -r |
| 14:02.57 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:03.10 | kakarot | no, they are no publics |
| 14:03.17 | Feto | dpkg: No match. |
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| 14:03.24 | Feto | jelly: hahha yeah |
| 14:03.28 | abrotman | stew: i've seen before where they ask that logging bots are fine just as long as they don't make the logs public |
| 14:03.33 | user1_ | can debian 3.0 run kernel 2.6? |
| 14:03.39 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:03.43 | stew | abrotman: you know apt has been logging publicly for years |
| 14:03.47 | abrotman | stew: i know |
| 14:03.53 | abrotman | stew: i mean other than him :) |
| 14:03.54 | NelsonFx | Feto, the linux-image version of the package ( example. 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) need to match linux-headers version |
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| 14:03.55 | wakejagr | Swordxl: are you looking for a list of your interfaces? ifconfig? |
| 14:04.01 | abrotman | stew: i guess "with permission" |
| 14:04.06 | _wfq | i will recompile it again |
| 14:04.17 | stew | user1_: in general no, there were packages which would allow you to install 2.6.6 on 3.0 but they are unmaintained |
| 14:04.18 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.26 | NelsonFx | Feto, dpkg -l linux-image* |
| 14:04.30 | stew | _wfq: why recompile it? |
| 14:04.39 | NelsonFx | Feto, without amd64 |
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| 14:04.52 | jelly | Ronin: bot is on a 24/7 machine, for example |
| 14:04.57 | user1_ | stew, we've bunch of servers that i don't want to risk, i only want to upgrade kernel |
| 14:04.57 | kakarot | abrotman is there any problem with kakarotBot |
| 14:04.59 | kakarot | ?? |
| 14:05.01 | user1_ | gotto go |
| 14:05.01 | Ronin | jelly: who isn't :) |
| 14:05.01 | abrotman | petemc: what .. no wc -l ? |
| 14:05.02 | user1_ | bye |
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| 14:05.08 | jelly | Ronin: me. |
| 14:05.10 | abrotman | kakarot: not currently :) |
| 14:05.14 | stew | user1_: running 3.0?? |
| 14:05.15 | Feto | oh wait |
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| 14:05.22 | Feto | i was doing * instead of \* |
| 14:05.25 | kakarot | ok xD |
| 14:05.25 | Feto | look: |
| 14:05.29 | abrotman | where? |
| 14:05.29 | Feto | ii linux-image-2. 2.6.18+6 Linux kernel 2.6 image on AMD64 |
| 14:05.29 | Feto | ii linux-image-2. 2.6.18.dfsg.1- Linux 2.6.18 image on AMD64 |
| 14:05.37 | petemc | abrotman: not today, sorry |
| 14:05.42 | abrotman | petemc: :( |
| 14:05.52 | petemc | keep yer chin up |
| 14:06.02 | abrotman | i wonder how far back piggy goes |
| 14:06.05 | NelsonFx | and linux-headers |
| 14:06.14 | Feto | then i got afew more without amd64 |
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| 14:06.23 | kakarot | abrotman what did you say about make the log public ? |
| 14:07.11 | stew | i wonder how deep the rabit hole goes |
| 14:07.12 | NelsonFx | Feto, and image and headers package versions match ¡? |
| 14:07.24 | _wfq | the question is when i try to run the make install i get the error saying it is not possible to finde ipw2200.ko but the make one does not show any error |
| 14:07.36 | abrotman | kakarot; please don't |
| 14:07.49 | stew | _wfq: is there some reason that you aren't using a debian compiled kernel? |
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| 14:07.58 | Feto | well, only if 2.6.18+6 == 2.6.18_4 |
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| 14:08.10 | jelly | Feto: it is == |
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| 14:08.14 | Feto | oh ok |
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| 14:08.19 | stew | Feto: 2.6.18_4 isn't a debian version string |
| 14:08.24 | Feto | then yeah they match |
| 14:08.28 | Feto | ah ok |
| 14:08.38 | NelsonFx | Feto, did you build your own kernel ? |
| 14:08.41 | Feto | no |
| 14:08.46 | Feto | i just installed |
| 14:08.51 | NelsonFx | Feto, amd64 right ? |
| 14:08.53 | Feto | yeah |
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| 14:09.21 | indraveni | hi, |
| 14:09.29 | _wfq | stew, I am using so because of i have done my whole life, the question is it should work...it would look easy, at least no more difficult than recompiling kernels |
| 14:09.35 | g00se | In practice, are errors often caused by running with higher kernel than stable on stable? |
| 14:09.36 | NelsonFx | Feto, aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 linux-headers-2.6-amd64 <= that will install the lastest versions for your arch |
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| 14:10.10 | jelly | Feto: doing a "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image-\* linux-headers-\*" will show you full names of packages, the default output is cut off |
| 14:10.37 | Feto | to make it fit the 80-column term? |
| 14:10.38 | stew | _wfq: "no more difficult than recompiling kernels"? wait, what are you talking about, I thought we were talking about recompiling kernels? |
| 14:10.53 | jelly | Feto: yup |
| 14:11.11 | stew | jelly: setting COLUMNS isn't necessary starting in etch |
| 14:11.20 | stew | jelly: oh, aparantly it sometimes is, nm |
| 14:11.21 | nofear | can I ask here about debian live? |
| 14:11.27 | jelly | stew: look at Feto's output above. |
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| 14:11.35 | _wfq | stew, i was just kidding, i mean that has to work... something is going on wrong |
| 14:11.46 | jelly | !wayttd _wfq |
| 14:11.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, _wfq? |
| 14:11.50 | stew | _wfq: when you first arrived you were there except for the firmware |
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| 14:12.29 | Feto | The path "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4/include" is a kernel header file |
| 14:12.29 | Feto | directory, but it does not contain the file "linux/version.h" as expected. |
| 14:12.35 | Feto | hmm |
| 14:12.46 | Feto | no wait my bad aparently |
| 14:12.48 | stew | _wfq: is the firmware now in /lib/firmware? (the files need to be in there directly, not in some subdirectory of /lib/firmware) |
| 14:12.50 | _wfq | stew, yes, because i recompiled the ipw2200 driver for my compiled 2.6.20 kernel a few weeks ago. when i run dmesg i get the firmware error not for ipw2200 |
| 14:12.51 | _wfq | now |
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| 14:13.13 | _wfq | the problem is, i can't find the ipw2200.ko/o in anyware |
| 14:13.25 | stew | _wfq: what happens when you run "modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200 ; dmesg | tail " |
| 14:13.30 | _wfq | so i think the first problem is not the firmware but ipw200 |
| 14:13.39 | wols_ | !fomd ipw220.ko sid |
| 14:13.43 | wols_ | !find ipw220.ko sid |
| 14:13.48 | nofxxx | hello there, is there some tool to check and disable services? |
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| 14:13.56 | stew | _wfq: when you first arrived, you were able to modprobe ipw2200, did you since then remove it from /lib/modules? |
| 14:14.02 | _wfq | i hve tried to runt that and i can get the error saying it is not possible to be found |
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| 14:14.10 | stew | _wfq: do you realize that ipw2200 is included in the kenrel and there is no need to compile it separately? |
| 14:14.10 | _wfq | no |
| 14:14.13 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ipw220.ko' returned no results. |
| 14:14.17 | Feto | it is aparently working now... |
| 14:14.19 | Feto | lemme see |
| 14:14.22 | liable | not in sarge kernels |
| 14:14.26 | Munchkinguy | How do I use ntfsprogs to force a chkdsk run at the next startup? |
| 14:14.27 | liable | or is it? |
| 14:14.32 | stew | liable: he's on 2.6.20 |
| 14:14.40 | stew | liable: no, it was added in 2.6.15 |
| 14:14.41 | techbee | nofxxx:man update.rc |
| 14:14.43 | _wfq | stew, on the website's intructions say to recompile the kernel and activate some options |
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| 14:15.12 | wols_ | Munchkinguy: you can't really fsck ntfs partition under linux |
| 14:15.18 | stew | _wfq: you could also just install a debian 2.6.20 kernel and be done |
| 14:15.28 | Kevin` | wols_ he just wants to mark it to be checked |
| 14:15.44 | Kevin` | you CAN check it from linux, but the checks are basic |
| 14:15.57 | _wfq | stew, but i haven't install a debian kernel. I know what you mean. |
| 14:15.59 | Feto | yeah it worked!! |
| 14:16.02 | Feto | thanks :D |
| 14:16.11 | Feto | NelsonFx: jelly |
| 14:16.33 | Munchkinguy | wols_: No, but ntfsprogs says that they have a utility to force a chkdsk run on the next reboot. |
| 14:16.41 | nn_ | just forget about writing to ntfs from any other os than win. |
| 14:16.45 | _wfq | dpkg, by the way, i was trying to install my ipw2200 driver for my wifi-card in my debian-sarge |
| 14:16.58 | indraveni | my gnome-theme, is having an image in the gnome panel, and thus, when I am clicking on the logout or shutdown from Desktop -> Logout, Desktop -> shutdown, the panel image is repeatedly displayed |
| 14:17.04 | wols_ | _wfq: dpkg is a bot |
| 14:17.07 | NelsonFx | Feto, (Y) |
| 14:17.07 | indraveni | how to avoid this? |
| 14:17.33 | Munchkinguy | wols_: I'm just trying to figure out how. |
| 14:17.40 | indraveni | where does this dialog box fetch the panel information from? |
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| 14:18.15 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:19.18 | abrotman | what could possibly go wrong! |
| 14:19.26 | Ronin | heh famous last words |
| 14:19.30 | Munchkinguy | wols_: So I ran ntfsfix, and it told me to run chkdsk. I restarted the computer, and it didn't run. I think there is a special command to force chkdsk. |
| 14:19.46 | wols_ | Munchkinguy: have you ever read manpages? |
| 14:19.47 | abrotman | wols_: honestly .. i'm tempted to make a qotd out of that :) |
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| 14:20.09 | abrotman | cast__: you lost your mask |
| 14:20.23 | wols_ | abrotman: what I said or him? |
| 14:20.27 | liable | holy cow batman! |
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| 14:20.31 | abrotman | wols_: yeah |
| 14:20.40 | cast__ | that would be my quality dlink router taking a dump too many times in a row. |
| 14:20.56 | wols_ | cast__: quality and dlink don't mix |
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| 14:22.08 | jelly | !ipw2200 |
| 14:22.09 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build> |
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| 14:23.18 | Munchkinguy | wols_: I did read the manual, but it doesn't seem to be working. Oh well. I'll try something else and if that doesn;t work, I'll be back |
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| 14:24.04 | bolt | I changed my network card, and it's now eth1 instead of eth0 |
| 14:24.09 | bolt | how can I get it to be eth0 again? |
| 14:24.26 | indraveni | is there a seperate channel for debian graphics? |
| 14:24.31 | azeem | bolt: why do you care? |
| 14:24.34 | indraveni | or debian art work |
| 14:24.37 | azeem | indraveni: no, I don't think so |
| 14:24.48 | bolt | azeem: i just hate not having the first network card be eth0 |
| 14:24.59 | abrotman | indraveni: no .. but there is an art page somewhere |
| 14:25.02 | stew | bolt: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 14:25.08 | wols_ | blorp: what is eth0 right now? |
| 14:25.22 | xand | eth0 will probably be nothing, reserved for the old MAC address |
| 14:25.23 | Ronin | bolt: bit ocd don't you think? |
| 14:25.29 | bolt | wols_: nothing. guessing it's reserved for the old address |
| 14:25.37 | jelly | Ronin: ITS NOT OCD DAMMIT |
| 14:25.44 | xand | bolt: aye, in that file... edit it to suit |
| 14:25.45 | _wfq | this is crazy, it is not possible that make works and does not creat the ipw2200.ko module |
| 14:25.51 | g00se | Is it possible to run a virtual (higher) kernel using Linux-VServer or Xen? |
| 14:26.03 | Ronin | jelly: heh |
| 14:26.52 | yang-- | Which is the correct package for iceweasel - java? |
| 14:27.11 | stew | yang--: sun-java5-plugin which is in non-free: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 14:27.16 | lontra | yang--: if you want sun java then it's sun-java ... |
| 14:27.43 | yang-- | stew: i just installed sun-java6-jre and sunjava6-bin...this isn't enough i guess |
| 14:27.53 | stew | yang--: you need -plugin |
| 14:27.56 | yang-- | ok |
| 14:28.03 | lontra | stew: you are too fast for me |
| 14:28.08 | lontra | :) |
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| 14:28.22 | bolt | Ronin: well, a bit perhaps. But I use a lot of scripts on these machines, and they're generally configured for two network cards, one being eth0 and the other being eth1. I update them regularly and I'd hate having to change the configuration for this machine in particular |
| 14:28.47 | stew | lontra: i took a multiple year irc based typing training corse |
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| 14:28.58 | yang-- | stew: haha |
| 14:29.29 | lontra | stew: he h |
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| 14:31.18 | stew | !z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to staticly rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. the addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. if you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory |
| 14:31.18 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 14:34.18 | yang-- | is there any other possibility to write a command like netstat|more ...without the "|" sign? |
| 14:35.56 | cast | make an alias? and use less |
| 14:36.16 | stew | yang--: maybe "more <<< $(netstat)" ? |
| 14:36.30 | anabain_ | hi, anybody here using xsane? |
| 14:36.35 | cydork | yang--: or more <(netstat) |
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| 14:36.42 | yang-- | ok, becouse over windows firefox the | sign is not available |
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| 14:37.05 | yang-- | in the vnc, i dont know why not |
| 14:37.13 | bolt | stew: do you also happen to know where that same file would be on a kernel 2.4 system? (no udev) |
| 14:37.26 | bolt | stew: got 2 machines with this problem, and one has 2.4 |
| 14:38.05 | stew | bolt: the only thing i would know of that would do it on 2.4 is ifrename (which wouldn't be installed unless you asked for it) |
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| 14:39.58 | azeem | abrotman, stew: dunno if you saw - the insmod segfaults people reported lately are due to #425458 and easily circumvented using "/sbin/insmod" instead |
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| 14:40.16 | stew | azeem: oh, i didn't know that was the fix, thanks |
| 14:40.49 | azeem | plain stupid argv parsing error or so |
| 14:41.05 | xerophyte | what is the equal command with dpkg to rpm -qi package_name ? |
| 14:41.16 | petemc | dpkg -L ? |
| 14:41.18 | stew | i have seen it mostly with vmware, which i'm not really interested in helping with anyway |
| 14:41.18 | azeem | xerophyte: how would we know what -qi does? |
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| 14:41.31 | stew | xerophyte: what does -qi do? |
| 14:41.45 | azeem | stew: seems the rtl8187 "installer script" also uses insmod |
| 14:41.51 | petemc | query installed, i guessed... |
| 14:41.51 | xerophyte | stew it give the package info |
| 14:42.03 | xerophyte | azeem, its give the package info |
| 14:42.03 | stew | xerophyte: apt-cache show packagename |
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| 14:42.12 | azeem | xerophyte: dpkg -s <package> |
| 14:42.18 | xerophyte | azeem thanks |
| 14:42.22 | azeem | (for installed packages) |
| 14:42.43 | yang-- | stew cydork those commands aren't working out for "more" |
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| 14:43.18 | stew | i didn't expect cydork's to, but I expected mine to |
| 14:43.46 | cydork | stew: yang--: if you are in bash it will. |
| 14:43.47 | stew | yang--: oh, mine screws up linebreaks? |
| 14:44.04 | yang-- | stew: it hangs the process nothing happens |
| 14:44.12 | xerophyte | is there anyway i can get the install date for the package using dpkg ? |
| 14:44.24 | stew | yang--: try $(netstat -n) instead of $(netstat) |
| 14:45.05 | stew | cydork: doesn't "more < (netstat)" say run netstat in a subshell then take the output try to open a file with that name? |
| 14:45.05 | xerophyte | azeem, how can i get installed date for a package ? |
| 14:45.26 | yang-- | stew: it bugs the output now |
| 14:45.28 | stew | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
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| 14:45.43 | cydork | stew: nope it should be more <(netstat) |
| 14:45.49 | cydork | stew: note the space |
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| 14:45.57 | stew | ahh |
| 14:45.59 | azeem | xerophyte: please ask follow-up questions to the channel, not individuals |
| 14:46.01 | stew | that's a new one for me |
| 14:46.06 | azeem | xerophyte: /var/log/dpkg.log might tell you |
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| 14:46.24 | xerophyte | azeem, thanks will do |
| 14:47.07 | yang-- | stew: the line breaks as you said |
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| 14:47.33 | BugeyeD | anyone here running xen 3.1 on etch? |
| 14:47.35 | stew | yang--: try cydork's |
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| 14:49.50 | yang-- | more <(netstat -n) ends into /dev/fd/63 no such file or directory |
| 14:50.43 | stew | yang--: what does "echo $SHELL" return? |
| 14:50.45 | cydork | yang--: are you on bash? |
| 14:51.08 | yang-- | bash |
| 14:51.13 | yang-- | ./bin/bash |
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| 14:51.22 | uwe | hello, can someone please tell me the diffrence or where i can find the diffrence between package asterisk and asterisk-classic, i know classic is the original Digium version, but what would that actually mean ?? |
| 14:51.32 | yang-- | but it is inside the vnc |
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| 14:52.11 | szymon_g | hi |
| 14:52.38 | szymon_g | do anyone have a link to source.list generator? for debian 4.0 ? |
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| 14:52.51 | Insolit | is there a "vi" user around? |
| 14:52.57 | Ronin | !tell szymon_g about sources.list |
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| 14:53.25 | szymon_g | thank you Ronin |
| 14:53.26 | szymon_g | :P |
| 14:53.27 | Fjordside | how to reconfigure the time i said in the installer that hwclock where set to utc but its not its set to localtime how to correct this? |
| 14:53.53 | stew | Insolit: lots. if you have a real question just ask it |
| 14:54.06 | szymon_g | btw, is debians configuration much harder then ubuntu's (from alternate cd; without Xserver - only a cli)? |
| 14:54.10 | stew | uwe: it looks like asterisk-classic is being removed and asterisk replaces it |
| 14:54.48 | wols_ | szymon_g: we say no. but we're obviously biased |
| 14:54.56 | cydork | szymon_g: alternate cd? what the hell is that? |
| 14:55.28 | stew | Fjordside: /etc/default/rcS |
| 14:55.29 | wols_ | cydork: ubuntu-speak |
| 14:55.36 | Insolit | well my real question is... i open a doc with vi. Then i type "i" to change its contents, but editing is not working well. Numbers are not typed, i can't erase chars with backspace only delete them, sometime a normal char prints $ instead of the correct char... |
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| 14:55.46 | Insolit | i just wish i could understand what's going on |
| 14:55.46 | szymon_g | cydork : ubuntu's alternate cd : you can install it on old machine (installation is the same like in debian, or at least very similar)- but you can also install a command-line system only |
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| 14:55.59 | cydork | wols_: ahh ok.. |
| 14:56.12 | BugeyeD | Fjordside: tsconfig |
| 14:56.14 | szymon_g | and of course you have to configure many things |
| 14:56.24 | uwe | stew, in unstable yes, but not in etch and testing, im using etch ... |
| 14:56.32 | stew | Insolit: when you backspace they aren't erased until you commit the edit by hitting "esc". you might find that vim is easier to use: "aptitude install vim && update-alternatives --auto vim" |
| 14:56.46 | zeroflag_ | my apt-get demands to install a libc6 update - but that just won't install. it keeps giving me error messages. (testing) |
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| 14:57.18 | Fjordside | stew, thanks |
| 14:57.31 | Insolit | stew: i can't install any other editor, i'm in a rescue mode system |
| 14:57.32 | Fjordside | BugeyeD, no the timezone is correct |
| 14:57.33 | stew | zeroflag_: show us the actual command you are typing and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:57.56 | Insolit | i wonder why most os developers love vi so much... |
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| 14:58.24 | uwe | Insolit, numbers from the numbers pad ? or just all numbers ? |
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| 14:58.30 | Insolit | uwe: all |
| 14:58.43 | Insolit | (i'm not that dumb :P) |
| 14:58.44 | wols_ | zeroflag_: /msg dpkg bat |
| 14:58.45 | stew | use roman numerals :) |
| 14:59.09 | uwe | Insolit, well, what do you want to change ? if you want to just replace a text try using cat and sed for working around it |
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| 14:59.14 | Insolit | and in my "vi" installed in my normal system, when i press "i" i get ##INSERT## |
| 14:59.24 | Insolit | in this vi of the rescue mode system i see no changes |
| 14:59.36 | xand | Insolit: that's vim not vi |
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| 14:59.41 | Insolit | oh |
| 14:59.52 | dav7 | hi everyone... silly, silly question... |
| 15:00.13 | abrotman | azeem: and versus using modprobe (since they should be anyways) ? |
| 15:00.16 | dav7 | ...I just downloaded a theme off gnome-look.org, it's a .tar.gz... and I've no idea what to do with it. |
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| 15:00.40 | wols_ | abrotman: it's mainly stupid vmware that somehow insists on insmod |
| 15:00.44 | wols_ | and the of course crashes |
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| 15:01.02 | stew | abrotman: in both cases it is calling insmod with a path to a .ko which modprobe can't do |
| 15:01.11 | stew | (afaik) |
| 15:01.17 | abrotman | wols_: those are the majority of the complainers |
| 15:01.44 | uwe | dav, from system menu, preferences, themes, install theme, if it doesnt work , you migh need to extract it and put the files where they belong manually, i suppose somewhere in /usr/share, no idea where exactly though |
| 15:01.53 | dav7 | thanks... |
| 15:02.03 | abrotman | stew: modprobe doesn't work wither ? |
| 15:02.03 | dav7 | ...I remember seeing that button but it didn't click :P |
| 15:02.06 | abrotman | either |
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| 15:02.23 | uwe | hmm ... you should have tried things out ... |
| 15:02.43 | stew | abrotman: modprobe won't take a filename as aa argument, only a module name |
| 15:03.07 | PrMoriarty | EHLO |
| 15:03.10 | abrotman | oh yeah .. duh |
| 15:03.18 | stew | PrMoriarty: 250 justaskyourquestion |
| 15:03.25 | zeroflag_ | my apt-get demands to install a libc6 update - but that just won't install. it keeps giving me error messages. (testing) http://rafb.net/p/UwXK5s89.html |
| 15:03.30 | abrotman | stew: still don't understand why vmware insists on using insmod |
| 15:03.41 | PrMoriarty | ok i m thinking about the best method for installing linux system really quick on computer |
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| 15:03.47 | dav7 | uwe: uh oh |
| 15:03.48 | dav7 | You can add a theme to the list of available themes. The new theme must |
| 15:03.48 | dav7 | be an archive file that is tarred and zipped. That is, the new theme must |
| 15:03.48 | dav7 | be a .tar.gz file. |
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| 15:03.55 | abrotman | !d-i PrMoriarty |
| 15:03.55 | dpkg | PrMoriarty, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 15:04.02 | dav7 | OOPS, very sorry! |
| 15:04.12 | abrotman | zeroflag_: uname -a |
| 15:04.15 | dav7 | when I copied it it was one line :s |
| 15:04.24 | PrMoriarty | and the computer has all the same hard drive the same chipsets etc etc |
| 15:04.25 | xand | very naughty |
| 15:04.28 | stew | abrotman: becuase it is trying to probe a module from /tmp/vmwarefoo/bar/baz/something.ko, instead of installing the module into /lib/modules then running depmod then running modprobe then removing it from /lib/modules and running depmod again |
| 15:04.35 | PrMoriarty | was thinking about ghost stuff |
| 15:04.37 | abrotman | stupid vmware :) |
| 15:04.42 | stew | abrotman: not that i relaly want to defend vmware here, of course |
| 15:04.52 | dav7 | anyways, when I go to install this theme... it's a .tar.gz and yet it says "file format invalid"! |
| 15:04.58 | zeroflag_ | abrotman: Linux 213-146-167-196 2.4.32bs2 #1 Wed Dec 28 12:57:29 GMT 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:05.06 | abrotman | zeroflag_: are you running debian ? |
| 15:05.10 | stew | dav7: what does "file foo.tar.gz" say that it is? |
| 15:05.16 | zeroflag_ | that's what I'm wondering myself... |
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| 15:05.23 | abrotman | zeroflag_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 15:05.27 | dav7 | stew: checking |
| 15:05.41 | zeroflag_ | I told the hosting guy to set up ubuntu... today I checked my apt/sources and it was retrieving from debian.org... |
| 15:05.41 | stew | zeroflag_: you cannot run a 2.4 kernel with lenny, you must upgrade to a 2.6 kernel |
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| 15:06.15 | zeroflag_ | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 15:06.19 | abrotman | zeroflag_: paste your sources somewhere for us to see |
| 15:06.21 | zeroflag_ | oh. |
| 15:06.25 | zeroflag_ | that's a 2.4 kernel... |
| 15:06.26 | zeroflag_ | O_o |
| 15:06.29 | PrMoriarty | what soft do you use for "ghost" an OS ? |
| 15:06.32 | Insolit | hail to emacs :D |
| 15:06.36 | abrotman | zeroflag_: i think you need a new hosting company |
| 15:06.42 | stew | zeroflag_: that is older than stable. you should upgrade to stable first |
| 15:06.50 | xand | PrMoriarty: dd? |
| 15:06.50 | zeroflag_ | >_< |
| 15:06.53 | dav7 | root@maplestory ~/Desktop # file 60077-Vista-Panel.tar.gz <newline> 60077-Vista-Panel.tar.gz: gzip compressed data, was ".fr.12313.0.Vista-Panel.tar", from Unix, last modified: Tue Jun 12 16:17:24 2007 |
| 15:06.56 | stew | zeroflag_: and 2.4 isn't supported in stable either, so you should upgrade to 2.6 in any case |
| 15:06.56 | dav7 | ^ stew |
| 15:06.59 | abrotman | zeroflag_: you wanted ubuntu and got a screwed up debian .. that's not good in any way |
| 15:07.05 | PrMoriarty | xand: sure!! |
| 15:07.17 | zeroflag_ | abrotman: not really... |
| 15:07.21 | stew | dav7: what command did you try to use to untar it? |
| 15:07.25 | dav7 | I didn't. |
| 15:07.33 | dav7 | it's how it was when I downloaded it. |
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| 15:07.46 | PrMoriarty | but the copy obtained by "dd" can be use by the client directly after a lan boot ? |
| 15:07.50 | dav7 | :P |
| 15:07.55 | PrMoriarty | (pxe thing) |
| 15:08.06 | abrotman | zeroflag_: did you paste your sources ? |
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| 15:08.13 | zeroflag_ | abrotman: sources for what? |
| 15:08.16 | stew | zeroflag_: they insatlled an unsupported configuration. they installed an unreleased version of etch. and they installed it with a 2.4 kernel, and 2.4 kernels are not supported under etch |
| 15:08.23 | zeroflag_ | abrotman: apt? |
| 15:08.28 | abrotman | zeroflag_: yes .. your apt sources |
| 15:08.38 | stew | zeroflag_: show us the output of apt-cache policy ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:09.28 | joepa | how might I determine the device node that a particular usb device is associated with? |
| 15:09.38 | zeroflag_ | http://rafb.net/p/jSpXsd63.html |
| 15:10.08 | abrotman | it looks like they used a half-assed woody install with a custom kernel .. and stuck it on testing .. or something |
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| 15:10.47 | zeroflag_ | http://rafb.net/p/qhsAVC37.html |
| 15:10.50 | abrotman | zeroflag_: if you want ubuntu .. tell them they screwed up .. if you want lenny .. you'll need a newer kernel . if you want etch .. tell them to install it correctly |
| 15:10.51 | stew | zeroflag_: you are running an unreleased version of etch, but your sources are pointing to lenny. you should change your sources to point to "etch" instead of "testing". then you should "aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade" then "/msg dpkg upgrade kernel" to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel |
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| 15:11.07 | naitram | what is the prefered way to sync / really for me just copy files, to a PPC on debian. |
| 15:11.15 | abrotman | stew: but he might already have bits of lenny |
| 15:11.30 | naitram | thats pocket pc windows ce device |
| 15:11.31 | abrotman | naitram: rsync is good enough |
| 15:11.36 | abrotman | oh ... |
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| 15:11.48 | stew | abrotman: well, he has to upgrade to etch before he upgrades to lenny |
| 15:11.50 | nyk2005 | How can I see again what release a server is running? |
| 15:12.07 | abrotman | zeroflag_: did you put any data on the system yet? |
| 15:12.12 | abrotman | !version |
| 15:12.12 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 15:12.15 | stew | nyk2005: compare the installed libc6 version to those available from http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 15:12.45 | stew | gotta love that it had non-US in there too |
| 15:12.51 | stew | (commented out, but stil...) |
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| 15:12.59 | abrotman | stew: see .. that to me says it was older than etch .. possibly woody .. |
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| 15:13.08 | abrotman | stew: and they stuck some halfassed upgraded kernel on it |
| 15:13.30 | stew | abrotman: 2.3.6-ds1-8 is, i dunno, a 6 month old netinst maybe? |
| 15:13.40 | abrotman | (i guess they could have just used a preconfiged source file) |
| 15:13.50 | stew | err. probably not a netinst |
| 15:13.52 | nyk2005 | stew: but yesterday you told me an apt-get command that shows that info somehow.. :) |
| 15:13.54 | stew | probably a custom d-i |
| 15:13.55 | abrotman | stew: whatever it is .. it's not right :) |
| 15:14.09 | abrotman | stew: oh wait .. it might be a 'Dell' netinst |
| 15:14.18 | stew | nyk2005: "apt-cache policy"? that will tell you where you are poised to get files from, but nothing about what is currently installed |
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| 15:15.11 | nyk2005 | stew: because I'm done updating all my vservers running VMware, which were all sarge. but the debian server running on my virtuozo server maybe is edge already, because I maybe didn't install it myself.. |
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| 15:15.42 | Feto | aparently vmware-vmx fails because it cannot find some libs... for starters, libX11.so.6 |
| 15:15.48 | abrotman | !search |
| 15:15.48 | dpkg | it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ... |
| 15:15.49 | stew | nyk2005: what version of libc6 does it have installed? |
| 15:15.57 | Feto | but i have it!! |
| 15:15.59 | Feto | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 15 2007-06-11 06:56 libX11.so.6 -> libX11.so.6.2.0 |
| 15:15.59 | Feto | -rw-r--r-- 1 root 1.1M 2007-04-03 11:09 libX11.so.6.2.0 |
| 15:16.07 | naitram | so, anyone know of a debian wince / pocket pc sync or file manager |
| 15:16.27 | zeroflag_ | <abrotman> zeroflag_: did you put any data on the system yet? <-- a little but nothing I don't have a local backup of... I'll play a little longer with this, if it doesn't work I'll request a new setup. |
| 15:16.46 | zeroflag_ | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 15:16.52 | zeroflag_ | after aptitude update |
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| 15:17.13 | Feto | any clues on that? |
| 15:17.26 | abrotman | zeroflag_: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring && aptitude update |
| 15:17.32 | Feto | ohhh..i think i know what it is |
| 15:17.33 | nyk2005 | stew: how can I see it? |
| 15:17.44 | stew | nyk2005: "dpkg -l libc6" |
| 15:17.50 | Appleman1234 | I having issues installing the stk11xx kernel module, in a Debian vmware image, I suspect the problem is that I don't have the kernel headers or source installed, and yet when I try to install to the appropriate package using apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname-r), it reports there is no installation candidate present, do I have to install the updated package (2.6.18 as per adept package manager) ? will this still be compa |
| 15:17.56 | Appleman1234 | tible with the installed kernel version 2.6.16-2-k7 ? |
| 15:18.01 | zeroflag | is aptitude now prefered over apt-get? |
| 15:18.10 | cast | zeroflag: yes. |
| 15:18.11 | abrotman | Appleman1234: uname -a |
| 15:18.17 | abrotman | zeroflag: in most cases .. yes |
| 15:18.25 | Feto | let me see if by installing ia32-libs... |
| 15:18.33 | nyk2005 | stew: 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 15:18.39 | stew | Appleman1234: 2.6.16 was removed from debian quite a while ago. you should be upgrading to 2.6.18-4 |
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| 15:18.46 | stew | nyk2005: that is etch aka stable |
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| 15:18.56 | nyk2005 | stew: and sources is stable / main as well as sarge / main |
| 15:19.00 | abrotman | Appleman1234: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
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| 15:19.10 | jeward | Are the new kernels out for oldstable? |
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| 15:19.15 | Appleman1234 | thanks abrotman :) |
| 15:19.17 | stew | nyk2005: you should change 'stable' to 'etch' and get rid of sarge |
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| 15:19.26 | nyk2005 | stew: http://pastebin.ca/561690 |
| 15:19.26 | abrotman | jeward: only security updates |
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| 15:19.34 | abrotman | jeward: IOW .. no |
| 15:19.45 | nyk2005 | stew: but I also have to do the update procedure on that box? |
| 15:19.46 | abrotman | jeward: you can try backports.org for newer kernels if you want one |
| 15:19.48 | jeward | abrotman: My aptutide upgrade is failing on the 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:19.55 | abrotman | jeward: paste the error |
| 15:19.57 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:19.58 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 15:19.59 | stew | nyk2005: what procedure? |
| 15:20.04 | Feto | still not working... same error message |
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| 15:20.11 | nyk2005 | stew: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 15:20.19 | Appleman1234 | stew: it is vmware image released by trolltech for their greenphone sdk, and I didn't want to fiddle with it, if it was a normal debian or linux install the of course I'd upgrade |
| 15:20.19 | gpm | trying to figure out public-key-auth here, so, lemme get this straight: if i put a password on my keys, i'm always going to have to type a password, but that's good because then it's really more secure than normal ssh? |
| 15:20.23 | jeward | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:20.23 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.26 | nyk2005 | stew: why not stable, if it MEANS edge? |
| 15:21.03 | gpm | damn, they need to track those meta-packages better |
| 15:21.13 | abrotman | jeward: do your sources point at oldstable/sarge/stable ? |
| 15:21.18 | jeward | abrotman: If I try to install kernel-image-2.6.8-4-686-smp, it says no candidate. |
| 15:21.21 | stew | nyk2005: currently "stable" is the same as "etch" however, sometime inthe future, "stable" will mean "lenny", and when that happens you shouldn't just keep updating, you should be following a very specific procedure to upgrade from etch to lenny |
| 15:21.28 | abrotman | jeward: do you also have security lines in your sources ? |
| 15:21.32 | nyk2005 | stew: is the system with that libc already on edge or do I have to do the upgrade from sarge? |
| 15:21.40 | jeward | abrotman: double-checking. |
| 15:21.40 | abrotman | jeward: and do they point at stable/sarge/what |
| 15:21.52 | stew | nyk2005: its 'etch' not 'edge'. and you don't have to upgrade from sarge. you already did. |
| 15:21.56 | stew | nyk2005: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:21.57 | nyk2005 | stew: ok, I see. that's what borked one of my sarges... :) |
| 15:22.05 | jeward | abrotman: sarge. |
| 15:22.14 | abrotman | jeward: in all cases ? |
| 15:22.16 | gpm | stew: what's the very specific procedure for upgrading from etch to lenny (when the time comes)? |
| 15:22.19 | nyk2005 | stew: 2.6.9-022stab078.21-enterprise |
| 15:22.23 | Feto | how do I add myself to a group? |
| 15:22.27 | jeward | abrotman: Yes. |
| 15:22.28 | abrotman | man useradd |
| 15:22.30 | stew | gpm: the procedure hasn't been devised yet |
| 15:22.34 | nyk2005 | stew: ah ok, if it's 2.6 kernel it etch |
| 15:22.39 | gpm | stew: what was it for sarge->etch? |
| 15:22.48 | nyk2005 | stew: cool the new debian is lenny from Simpsons!! :) |
| 15:22.49 | stew | gpm: '/msg dpkg sarge->etch' ; read chapter 4 |
| 15:22.55 | zeroflag | after upgrading the kernel I can switch to testing, right? |
| 15:22.59 | stew | nyk2005: no, its the binoculars from toy story |
| 15:23.16 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/base/kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
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| 15:23.19 | stew | zeroflag: yes, but that is definately not recommended for an internet facing server |
| 15:23.19 | abrotman | wtf is that about |
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| 15:23.25 | jeward | abrotman: We have our own mirror, which hasn't seemed quite perfect since sarge->oldstable. |
| 15:23.29 | nyk2005 | oh, I dont remember the binocs... :( |
| 15:23.31 | gpm | stew: aw, i remember when you could just dist-upgrade |
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| 15:23.38 | nyk2005 | stew: thanks anyway! |
| 15:23.42 | gpm | like i said, they really need to track those meta-packages better |
| 15:24.02 | ghatak | I got a question guys, I have a system which is used to build a base linux system, nothing special, I want to clone the entire system to another place, the problem is that hardware might be slightly different (network card and disks etc). What is the best way to do it ? |
| 15:24.09 | zeroflag | well, I'll keep that in mind. but I need a few things to be cutting edge... |
| 15:24.15 | abrotman | stew: does that URL make sense to you ? |
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| 15:24.39 | stew | abrotman: yes. what about it is troubling you? |
| 15:24.44 | jeward | abrotman: It does explain what I'm seeing. |
| 15:24.47 | PrMoriarty | Hello |
| 15:24.53 | nyk2005 | this is also ok? deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main ? |
| 15:25.03 | abrotman | stew: the metapackage is there .. which depends on a version that doesn't exist? but AFAIK .. that is the newest kernel for sarge |
| 15:25.07 | PrMoriarty | i m sorry but what is the format of the file stocked on the PXE server? |
| 15:25.14 | jeward | stew: kernel-image-2.6.8-4-686-smp |
| 15:25.15 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.24 | nyk2005 | seems to work.. |
| 15:25.36 | PrMoriarty | an iso? a copy of DD ? |
| 15:25.42 | stew | was there a DSA today? |
| 15:26.01 | abrotman | not yet ... |
| 15:26.12 | jeward | What is a DSA? |
| 15:26.15 | stew | !dsa |
| 15:26.16 | dpkg | [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers, or fucking slow and never giving proper credits. unable to maintain a decent level of security on Debian Project computers, or lame |
| 15:26.35 | jeward | stew: So I should just wait? |
| 15:26.40 | abrotman | stew: ah .. -3- is the newest on sarge .. so they must be preparing a DSA |
| 15:27.13 | stew | jeward: perhaps its on one of the security.debian.org servers, but not the other? |
| 15:27.28 | abrotman | though normally pdo lags .. not predicts the future :) |
| 15:27.30 | jeward | stew: Should get distributed by tomorrow you think? |
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| 15:28.20 | stew | jeward: i'm asking about it now |
| 15:28.31 | jeward | stew: Thanks! |
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| 15:29.07 | abrotman | stew: a sarge box here is asking to upgrade the kernel .. so i didn't get a DSA .. but there is a new one |
| 15:29.24 | stew | abrotman: you should upgrade to etch |
| 15:29.38 | abrotman | stew: no kidding .. tell my boss that the mail server will be down for a few hours :) |
| 15:29.49 | stew | abrotman: what's his number? |
| 15:29.50 | abrotman | i've only got two left |
| 15:30.08 | jeward | abrotman: We have over 200... |
| 15:30.09 | abrotman | one is the fileserver .. which just needs me to come in early .. the other is the mail server .. which i hope to migrate anyways |
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| 15:30.39 | stew | jeward: yeah, its in proposed-updates, it will be available after the next dinstall run |
| 15:30.49 | jeward | stew: Thanks! |
| 15:30.53 | stew | jeward: http://people.debian.org/~joerg/dinstall.html |
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| 15:31.08 | jeward | stew: How bad is it for us to delay sarge-etch? |
| 15:31.13 | abrotman | be nice if that page said what it would do |
| 15:31.15 | jeward | sagre->etch? |
| 15:31.25 | abrotman | jeward: you've got maybe six months of security updates left |
| 15:31.29 | abrotman | maybe a bit more |
| 15:31.31 | stew | jeward: you have until 1 year after etch was released |
| 15:31.41 | Feto | what is chmod +s for? |
| 15:31.46 | abrotman | man chmod |
| 15:32.00 | stew | at least i THINK the fact that it is in proposed-updates means it will go in the next dinstall |
| 15:32.19 | abrotman | and i also need to fix the one alpha that won't boot with the etch kernel |
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| 15:33.27 | stew | abrotman: you should spend $50 to replace it with a x86 :P |
| 15:33.39 | stew | Feto: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 15:33.51 | abrotman | stew: it makes a great dns server! |
| 15:34.03 | abrotman | among other things |
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| 15:34.32 | abrotman | but if i can't get it to run an etch kernel .. it will get killed off |
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| 15:34.55 | pickcoder | abrotman: can you not do some magic routing to forward the mail to a temporary mail transport? |
| 15:34.57 | Feto | thanks |
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| 15:35.02 | FromTO | oin #emacs |
| 15:35.24 | abrotman | pickcoder: to upgrade the mail box? .. i'm hoping to just move the entire mail store to a new/larger system |
| 15:35.34 | cbeok | listen, I know that nobody wants to talk about this, but I'd really like some sound advice: I work in IT, but only part time, I have programming experience in various languages, but have never considered myself to have even come close to a mastery of any of them, and I want to know: Python or Ruby? feel free to redirect me. |
| 15:35.37 | abrotman | s/new/different/ |
| 15:35.47 | xand | cbeok: python |
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| 15:35.51 | abrotman | ruby! |
| 15:35.59 | cbeok | haha, I suspected this! |
| 15:36.03 | Appleman1234 | either |
| 15:36.06 | abrotman | cbeok: depends on what you're trying to do |
| 15:36.09 | xand | cbeok: both :P |
| 15:36.36 | pickcoder | abrotman: I've had good times so far with A-bit and AMD X2 64's |
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| 15:37.02 | pickcoder | ~6mil+ spam filterings since Oct |
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| 15:38.05 | abrotman | pickcoder: it's just a larger box .. the one it's on is fine .. usually .. and has enough storage .. but the other one is better :) |
| 15:38.06 | cbeok | I suppose that is true, basic scripting and automation on the one hand, but some mininamal web development on the other - those are my work related goals. I'd also like my investment to pay off as a hobbyist programmer too. any additional opinions in light of those needs? |
| 15:38.46 | mandel | hi, my wlan card doesn't support wpa2, is it possible to do the "wpa2" stuff in software? |
| 15:38.46 | abrotman | cbeok: i'd say python can do both of those |
| 15:38.56 | BugeyeD | cbeok: i say python. but i have no clue regarding ruby, so i'm biased. i do like python - much much better than perl. |
| 15:39.13 | stew | oops, i was wrong about oldstable-proposed-updates, that just means it will be part of the next point release |
| 15:39.20 | cbeok | BugeyeD: in my limited experience with both, so do I. |
| 15:39.28 | g00se | Is it possible to run a virtual (higher) kernel using Linux-VServer or Xen? |
| 15:39.34 | abrotman | did you ask #xen yet? |
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| 15:40.38 | xand | everytime i look at the screen g00se is asking the same question ;) |
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| 15:41.10 | abrotman | xand: he's been asking for like .. three weeks! |
| 15:41.29 | jelly | g00se: what? |
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| 15:41.38 | g00se | xand: That's right: too many distracting convos about scripting languages going on ;-) |
| 15:41.44 | Appleman1234 | abrotman: advice you gave doesn't work, as aptitude won't install |
| 15:41.58 | michael____ | hey does anyone know how to enable the boot screen for debian |
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| 15:42.29 | g00se | abrotman: didn't ask Xen as i originally wanted to do it with Linux-VServer |
| 15:42.33 | wols_ | what is a "boot screen"? |
| 15:42.35 | michael____ | i have installed some kernel patch and some other apps and still gettin the verbose mode |
| 15:42.35 | jelly | g00se: linux-vserver is like an enhanced chroot, there is only one kernel. |
| 15:42.48 | wols_ | g00se: you still ask the same thing for ages |
| 15:43.03 | wols_ | g00se: and with Xen it's doable. for vserver see jelly |
| 15:43.17 | jelly | ok, next question |
| 15:43.30 | Azar | hello honorables? |
| 15:43.30 | wols_ | jelly: will you gift me a pony |
| 15:43.31 | wols_ | ? |
| 15:43.33 | g00se | jelly: ok. wols: different kernels ok? |
| 15:43.36 | Appleman1234 | tells me to try apt-get -f install, which I do and that fails because apt-get can't connect to http://ftp.debian.org, but adept, dpkg, konqueror and ping all work |
| 15:43.37 | jelly | !pony wols_ |
| 15:43.44 | wols_ | g00se: yes |
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| 15:44.12 | stew | Appleman1234: try a different mirror then |
| 15:44.18 | wols_ | Appleman1234: use another mirror. NOT debian.org |
| 15:44.19 | stew | !nopony jelly |
| 15:44.19 | dpkg | jelly: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 15:44.21 | Azar | Appleman1234: http://ftp.(country).debian.org maybe? |
| 15:44.25 | Appleman1234 | ok |
| 15:44.30 | jelly | that one, yes |
| 15:45.06 | Appleman1234 | :) |
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| 15:45.10 | g00se | Thanks all |
| 15:45.16 | cast | Appleman1234: it is you that is melting the ice caps and you alone! |
| 15:45.26 | Appleman1234 | I like the snow |
| 15:45.51 | jelly | Appleman1234: http://ftp.debian.org works for me. |
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| 15:46.03 | Appleman1234 | jelly: lucky you |
| 15:46.12 | Azar | jelly! you kill the penguins |
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| 15:46.41 | jelly | Azar: OMGNOOZ |
| 15:46.50 | stew | Appleman1234: do you have a proxy configured in /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
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| 15:47.10 | Appleman1234 | Appleman1234: I don't know I am running a vmware image |
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| 15:47.26 | jelly | jelly: don't be a schizo |
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| 15:47.39 | stew | Appleman1234: can you show us the actual output? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:47.48 | rahul | rahul: speak for yourself |
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| 15:48.57 | Appleman1234 | stew: if you can tell me how to copy from vmware image and paste to host os I would be glad to |
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| 15:49.34 | rahul | you can't run a web browser in the vmware session? |
| 15:49.47 | stew | Appleman1234: you can save the contents to a file then upload the file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 15:50.04 | cast | Appleman1234: installing vmware tools makes that work if windows is in the vm, prob will work the other way around too |
| 15:50.06 | stew | Appleman1234: apt-get update > somefile ; or apt-get update | tee somefile |
| 15:50.15 | Appleman1234 | ok |
| 15:50.39 | rahul | !paste |
| 15:50.39 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 15:50.41 | stew | Appleman1234: what is nopaste? |
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| 15:50.57 | rahul | it's a place to paste if you don't want to paste |
| 15:51.05 | rahul | like nospoon, but pasty |
| 15:51.14 | rahul | like eliza's uh.... nevermind |
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| 15:52.09 | NickAm | hello all |
| 15:52.11 | cast | night all, this kid is tired. |
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| 15:53.08 | NickAm | i have installed vsftpd, it was working fine, untill now, when i do ls, it goes ftp: connect: Connection timed out |
| 15:53.15 | michael____ | hello does anyone know how to enable the graphical booting from power-up on debian |
| 15:53.17 | michael____ | ? |
| 15:53.33 | Appleman1234 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:54.50 | Appleman1234 | rahul: I can but with 512mb and the only browser installed being konqueror the loads tiime are terrible |
| 15:54.57 | Appleman1234 | times* |
| 15:55.51 | Appleman1234 | ok |
| 15:55.54 | NickAm | any1 knows what i could be missing in Vsftpd ? |
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| 15:56.23 | xand | NickAm: security? |
| 15:56.26 | Appleman1234 | everything works except for my original problem of not being able to install the correct (outdated) kernel headers / source |
| 15:56.33 | NickAm | xand it logs in |
| 15:56.38 | wols_ | michael____: install a display manager. what do you use? gnome, kde or something else? |
| 15:56.40 | xand | !ftp |
| 15:56.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 15:56.41 | NickAm | Password: |
| 15:56.41 | NickAm | 230 Login successful. |
| 15:56.44 | xand | i was referring to that :P |
| 15:57.01 | michael____ | wols_: kde |
| 15:57.07 | wols_ | michael____: install kdm |
| 15:57.17 | NickAm | lol xand |
| 15:57.49 | wols_ | NickAm: does ftp to localhost work? logging in, displaying files, transfering? |
| 15:58.05 | NickAm | -bash: ftp: command not found |
| 15:58.07 | NickAm | lol |
| 15:58.15 | Appleman1234 | What is the best way to go about installing a compatible linux kernel / linux header package for the current kernel installed on this image (2.6.16-2-k7) |
| 15:58.31 | michael____ | wols_: i installed kdm already but when i turn on my computer i still gettin verbose when it is bootin. |
| 15:58.33 | NickAm | :-s strange problem |
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| 15:58.46 | wols_ | Appleman1234: this is not a debian kernel. maybe was an etch once once upon a time. update your kernel |
| 15:59.01 | wols_ | michael____: and what's the problem? |
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| 15:59.06 | Appleman1234 | wols_: ok, sigh |
| 15:59.09 | wols_ | michael____: does kdm show up at the end? |
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| 15:59.30 | wols_ | Appleman1234: update to etch too while you're at it |
| 15:59.41 | Appleman1234 | wols_: why ? |
| 15:59.50 | wols_ | Appleman1234: snapshots.debian.net might have the headers still if you are lucky |
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| 16:00.08 | Appleman1234 | this in an vmware image, and is part of a trolltech sdk |
| 16:00.17 | wols_ | Appleman1234: cause you probably run an etch copy from when it was testing. which means various software rpobably has security updates since then |
| 16:00.22 | Appleman1234 | if I wanted etch , I would just install etch |
| 16:00.23 | michael____ | wols_: i keep gettin verbose boot not a graphical boot...you know like in windows xp boot screen where you see windows xp laodin thingy |
| 16:00.40 | wols_ | Appleman1234: then ask trolltech and not us |
| 16:00.58 | wols_ | !bootsplash |
| 16:00.58 | dpkg | it has been said that bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
| 16:01.04 | Appleman1234 | wols: I just want to be able to install the stk11xx module :), |
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| 16:01.08 | bolt | why does my machine recreate the motd file when I delete all the lines from it? how can I make it stay empty? |
| 16:01.08 | Appleman1234 | wols: I did |
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| 16:01.37 | wols_ | Appleman1234: is this a debian install you talk to us about? somehow I don't think so |
| 16:01.46 | spheard | I tried apache with this but no one seemed to know, Is there any reason why apache wont let me use multiple vhosts? |
| 16:01.56 | spheard | with debian? |
| 16:01.57 | Appleman1234 | wols_: it is a debian vmware image |
| 16:01.59 | karsten | bolt: It's generated somewhere w/in Debian, sec. |
| 16:02.11 | Appleman1234 | wols_: I don't know its age |
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| 16:03.16 | jelly | Appleman1234: if that is debian, it's an old snapshot of testing or unstable. You may or may not find the correct linux-headers-* package on snapshots.debian.net |
| 16:03.24 | atealtha | anyone know a good gnome feed reader with either a scripting or plugin architecture? Etch's liferea doesn't have it |
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| 16:03.45 | karsten | bolt: /etc/init.d/bootmisc |
| 16:03.54 | melodos | does anyone knows what this means: 3:00 PM E.S.T ? |
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| 16:04.02 | techbee | !anyone |
| 16:04.30 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:04.30 | melodos | for christ sake |
| 16:04.30 | karsten | bolt: man motd motd.tail; See /etc/init.d/bootmisc for how it's put together. |
| 16:04.42 | karsten | melodos: Your clock is off. |
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| 16:04.51 | jelly | melodos: it's a timestamp, 15:00 EST timezone |
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| 16:05.07 | melodos | yea timezone to where? |
| 16:05.14 | pickcoder | east coast usa |
| 16:05.16 | bolt | karsten: ah. thanks |
| 16:05.19 | pickcoder | eastern standard time |
| 16:05.26 | karsten | melodos: which EST depends on where you are, in the US that would be US/Eastern, standard (not daylight) time. |
| 16:05.32 | atealtha | hmm ok so I'm wondering what my real question is |
| 16:05.52 | karsten | melodos: echo $TZ or check locales, tzconfig |
| 16:05.54 | pickcoder | karsten: where is is there EDT and EST? |
| 16:05.58 | pickcoder | gah |
| 16:06.00 | pickcoder | ~where else |
| 16:06.05 | atealtha | what is a good gnome feed reader with either a scripting or plugin architecture? Etch's liferea doesn't have it (does this qualify?) |
| 16:06.05 | melodos | yea right, so if i'm in greece now how can i make the friggin conversion? |
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| 16:06.22 | karsten | pickcoder: IIRC Australia. |
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| 16:06.33 | pickcoder | hrm.. you may be right |
| 16:06.40 | wols_ | he is |
| 16:06.50 | melodos | anyone? |
| 16:06.51 | karsten | techbee: That was an inappropriate !anyone FWIW. |
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| 16:06.56 | karsten | wols_: I'm used to it. |
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| 16:07.03 | jelly | melodos: date -d "3:00pm EST" |
| 16:07.13 | melodos | huh? |
| 16:07.15 | karsten | melodos: Convert what to what? |
| 16:07.19 | wols_ | melodos: you can start by stopping your needless swearing for motherfuckings bitch sake |
| 16:07.21 | melodos | greece to usa |
| 16:07.21 | pickcoder | melodos: Google will give you plenty of matches on GMT conversions |
| 16:07.23 | NickAm | i am getting this error: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.6.16.13-xen/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 16:07.23 | Karcaw_ | Can I get bug #426917 subject line changed somehow.. I screwed it up a little when i submitted it is houdl read: New initramfs-tools dont detect raid volumes properly for /sys/block/... |
| 16:07.28 | NickAm | which module should i install ? |
| 16:07.33 | melodos | wols go die |
| 16:07.33 | lokkju_wrk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.33 | lokkju_wrk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.34 | boingolov | say for instance I have four hard drives, one of which has linux installed, the other three not in use. one of the disks is identical in size to the boot disk, the other two are larger but roughly the same size as well. my question is: what is a good way to get software mirroring without having to blow away the installation? |
| 16:07.35 | wols_ | melodos: besides, this is very OT here |
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| 16:07.43 | valdyn | melodos: usa has a few timezones |
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| 16:07.51 | karsten | melodos: For a single date invocation, or systemwide? |
| 16:07.53 | test | how to change the default mice cursosr theme in debian |
| 16:07.53 | valdyn | melodos: www.whattimeisit.com |
| 16:07.55 | jelly | melodos: huh what? |
| 16:08.09 | melodos | well i know that, but whats the est suppose to be? what city? |
| 16:08.12 | wols_ | NickAm: none. run depmod -a |
| 16:08.20 | melodos | so i can convert it and find it out |
| 16:08.24 | lokkju_wrk | melodos, try New York |
| 16:08.26 | valdyn | boingolov: a raid? |
| 16:08.29 | melodos | kk |
| 16:08.30 | melodos | thnx |
| 16:08.32 | karsten | melodos: TZ=<timezone> date; Or: (as root) tzconfig to set system default timezone. |
| 16:08.36 | jelly | melodos: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:08.39 | boingolov | mirror, yes |
| 16:08.40 | Azar | melodos: usa has EST, CST, and PST |
| 16:08.41 | boingolov | software raid |
| 16:08.42 | valdyn | boingolov: or just a copy of disk1 on disk2? |
| 16:08.45 | melodos | keep it simple for goodness sake |
| 16:08.52 | valdyn | boingolov: read the documentation? |
| 16:08.54 | karsten | melodos: EST == east coast US, roughly to the Indiana/Illinois stateline and south. |
| 16:08.57 | melodos | the guys said ney york, simple stuff |
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| 16:09.15 | wols_ | melodos: careful with daylight savings time |
| 16:09.18 | valdyn | boingolov: /usr/share/doc/mdadm/. If that does not exist, apt-get install mdadm |
| 16:09.23 | Azar | melodos: NY is located in the east side of the us |
| 16:09.27 | boingolov | valdyn, I have read documentation, but it appears that you need to have a partition type set for it to do raid, and it is partition - level, not disk level |
| 16:09.31 | karsten | melodos: http://www.google.com/search?q=us+time+zone+map&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 16:09.36 | karsten | melodos: GIYF |
| 16:09.44 | Appleman1234 | jelly: just so you know for next time you made a typo it is snapshot.debian.net |
| 16:09.46 | valdyn | boingolov: partition - level ? |
| 16:09.47 | karsten | Azar: No, *right* side ;-) |
| 16:09.56 | Azar | karsten: hahaha |
| 16:09.57 | boingolov | my question is not how to set up a software raid, that documentation is readily available. my question is: anyone have any ideas without having to blow away my existing partitions |
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| 16:10.02 | valdyn | boingolov: raiding whole disks is silly from your starting point |
| 16:10.03 | NickAm | wols_ it says: depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 16:10.25 | valdyn | boingolov: thats in the Recipes.gz file |
| 16:10.28 | boingolov | my only experience so far has been with hardware raid controllers, and in that case raiding whole disks is the only option |
| 16:10.29 | wols_ | NickAm: could be it has no modules support |
| 16:10.30 | valdyn | boingolov: ( sp? ) |
| 16:10.33 | petemc | boingolov: there are guides to making an existing system into a raid system, but its hairy |
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| 16:10.46 | jelly | Appleman1234: ah, I always forget that one. "/msg dpkg snapshots" works |
| 16:10.48 | stew | NickAm: you compiled your own kernel? |
| 16:10.52 | valdyn | boingolov: linux can raid any block device |
| 16:11.01 | valdyn | boingolov: a partition is a block device |
| 16:11.04 | NickAm | stew no its the same box, it worked like charm yesterday.... |
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| 16:11.27 | NickAm | it does Login successful. |
| 16:11.34 | boingolov | valdyn, looking at the recipes file now |
| 16:11.36 | boingolov | thanks for the tip |
| 16:11.40 | NickAm | but as soon as i do ls command it goes... |
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| 16:11.52 | NickAm | 227 Entering Passive Mode (81,3,6,29,148,175) |
| 16:11.53 | NickAm | ftp: connect: Connection timed out |
| 16:11.59 | NickAm | thats it.. |
| 16:12.19 | valdyn | boingolov: read it _carefully_, getting a mirror raid up and booting is easy, but a mistake may still be very ugly to fix |
| 16:12.21 | michael____ | ok thanks |
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| 16:12.56 | wols_ | NickAm: I asked you something which you haven't answered yet |
| 16:13.08 | NickAm | oh sorry, i didnt see it.. |
| 16:13.15 | valdyn | !ftp must die |
| 16:13.16 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 16:13.18 | valdyn | NickAm: ^^^ |
| 16:13.19 | NickAm | no it does.. |
| 16:13.26 | wols_ | NickAm: that is wrong. I know you did |
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| 16:15.28 | NickAm | valdyn is this a ftp server ? |
| 16:15.29 | stew | wols_: please just repeat your question then |
| 16:15.29 | boingolov | valdyn, luckily this is never going to be a production box |
| 16:15.29 | valdyn | NickAm: no, its a reasoned opinion |
| 16:15.29 | NickAm | lol |
| 16:15.30 | NickAm | ok |
| 16:15.30 | boingolov | but obviously better for it not to die without grace haha |
| 16:15.44 | boingolov | okay, that was a double negative. anyway, off reading |
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| 16:16.03 | NickAm | how can it be security, when it login successfully ? |
| 16:16.55 | wols_ | cause the way ftp uses ports is gawdawfully evil |
| 16:17.08 | wols_ | and I'm still waiting for my answer |
| 16:17.34 | NickAm | wols_ i guess it does support modules... |
| 16:17.42 | NickAm | i dont know am a new user. |
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| 16:17.47 | NickAm | here's log |
| 16:17.54 | NickAm | Tue Jun 12 18:09:59 2007 [pid 27686] CONNECT: Client "209.160.41.138" |
| 16:18.04 | NickAm | Tue Jun 12 18:10:16 2007 [pid 27685] [galbijim] OK LOGIN: Client "x.x.x.x" |
| 16:18.10 | wols_ | what have your kernel modules to do with ftp? |
| 16:18.27 | wols_ | and I didn't ask you for a log, and you are not supposed to paste into the channel |
| 16:18.30 | NickAm | its: 2.6.16.13-xen |
| 16:18.39 | NickAm | sorry |
| 16:18.41 | wols_ | what debian is this? |
| 16:18.45 | NickAm | lenny |
| 16:19.05 | NickAm | Debian GNU/Linux lenny |
| 16:19.05 | wols_ | lenny never ever had a 2.6.16 kernel |
| 16:19.20 | jelly | it's some virtual hosting with a custom kernel |
| 16:19.22 | wols_ | it came into existence when 2.6.18 was the default stable one |
| 16:19.35 | NickAm | its a testing |
| 16:19.36 | jelly | so it well may be lenny |
| 16:19.53 | pickcoder | NickAm: incoming port 20 has to be open for data port requests from the client |
| 16:20.20 | NickAm | pickcoder it does allow it to connect. |
| 16:20.23 | pickcoder | sftp or scp is far less hassle |
| 16:20.31 | pickcoder | port 21 is the connection port |
| 16:20.33 | pickcoder | not 20 |
| 16:20.49 | wols_ | NickAm: your porblem is pthe Passive part on both sides most probably |
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| 16:21.16 | NickAm | how do i resolve that, web is all about configuring it with options |
| 16:22.16 | tacit | i stable is updated ( -r?, the update announced in the mailing list), does it mean that updated packages from the security servers are moved to the mirrors? |
| 16:22.23 | Appleman1234 | thanks for the help everyone :) |
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| 16:22.37 | Appleman1234 | the module doesn't build smooth, but at least it builds :) |
| 16:22.42 | Appleman1234 | well kind of |
| 16:22.46 | NickAm | i found something in auth.log |
| 16:22.49 | bueno | hiho |
| 16:23.01 | NickAm | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.09 | bueno | anyone has the ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (in a Laptop) ? |
| 16:23.23 | bueno | i've problems with installing the ATI drivers... |
| 16:23.26 | N1ckR | Does JFS resist fragmentation as much as xfs - setting a partition up to do some serious p2p downloading ? |
| 16:23.50 | wols_ | NickAm: xfs does not resist fragmentation in any meaningful way |
| 16:23.59 | stew | bueno: "aptitude install xserver-xorg-video ati" |
| 16:24.05 | karsten | N1ckR: Most 'Nix filesystems are pretty frag resistant AFAIK. |
| 16:24.14 | stew | bueno: what did you try? |
| 16:24.25 | stew | bueno: err, that should be "aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-ati" |
| 16:24.26 | wols_ | karsten: I have a xfs partition that proves you otherwise |
| 16:24.29 | N1ckR | karsten, yes I know, but p2p stuff is a killer ! |
| 16:24.36 | karsten | N1ckR: vfat / ntfs have the problem of allocating new files starting with the first available free blocks, rather than contiguious blocks of appropriate sizes. |
| 16:24.39 | NickAm | wols_ i tried connecting with Cute ftp pro, its working smoooth |
| 16:24.40 | karsten | wols_: Tell. |
| 16:24.44 | wols_ | karsten: granted it uses swarm downloading, sparse files and is praktically constantly 98-99% full |
| 16:24.52 | wols_ | but it fragemtns a lot |
| 16:24.57 | karsten | wols_: That's a worst-case scenario. |
| 16:25.01 | bueno | stew i tryed "apt-get install fglrx" |
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| 16:25.06 | karsten | Minimize fragmentation by maintining 10% free space. |
| 16:25.12 | bueno | but then i found xserver-xorg-video-ati |
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| 16:25.16 | wols_ | !ati one-liner |
| 16:25.16 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 16:25.19 | stew | bueno: why would you want to use the non-free driver when a free one is vailable |
| 16:25.24 | karsten | wols_: Less than that and you just don't have free blocks to play with. |
| 16:25.28 | stew | no, that ati one-liner is not what he should be using |
| 16:25.36 | unperson | I have several mp3s that I want to concatenate into one long mp3. I don't want to resample or transcode them or anything, just stick them together. What's a good way to do that? My preference would be for a simple CLI tool. |
| 16:25.44 | stew | bueno: ignore that line from dpkg |
| 16:25.48 | tacit | unperson: sox |
| 16:25.49 | bueno | okay stew i don't know much about the ati drivers |
| 16:26.14 | wols_ | bueno: so when you found xserver-xorg-video-ati. what is the problem? |
| 16:26.14 | stew | bueno: all you should have to do is "aptitude install xorg" then when it asks, choose the "radeon" driver. |
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| 16:26.22 | bueno | stew: i downloaded the drivers form the ati site |
| 16:26.27 | stew | bueno: don't use those drivers |
| 16:26.35 | stew | bueno: if it is already installed, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and select "radeon" |
| 16:26.38 | wols_ | karsten: diskspace is there to be used. non used diskspace is like non used RAM |
| 16:26.39 | tacit | i stable is updated ( -r?, the update announced in the mailing list), does it mean that updated packages from the security servers are moved to the mirrors? |
| 16:26.54 | bueno | okay, so i have to select radeon? |
| 16:26.55 | karsten | wols_: You're using that 10%. |
| 16:26.56 | unperson | tacit, Thanks for the suggestion. The man page looks quite promising. |
| 16:27.07 | stew | oh wait, crap, x700 not 7000 |
| 16:27.08 | bueno | i wasn't sure because there were ati and radeon for selection |
| 16:27.11 | tacit | unperson: that program is pure fun |
| 16:27.11 | stew | bueno: do you need 3d accelleration? |
| 16:27.14 | wols_ | karsten: I try to use 100% of my disk, yes |
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| 16:27.27 | karsten | wols_: ... you're using it to make the use of the other 90% more efficient. And if you cut into the 10% you're going to pay for it with massively increased seek times. |
| 16:27.30 | rahul | unperson: I think there's a mp3cat program... |
| 16:27.32 | karsten | wols_: Your problem, not mine. |
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| 16:27.42 | bueno | no i don't need 3d acceleration yet...maybe later.... i only need a good looking gui^^ |
| 16:27.44 | rahul | unperson: mp3asm maybe |
| 16:27.48 | bueno | becaus with vesa drivers its boring |
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| 16:27.48 | wols_ | karsten: xfs_fsr tot he rescue |
| 16:28.04 | N1ckR | continuous creating of a few large files slowly, along with deletion and creation of many temp files, stresses the file system |
| 16:28.05 | stew | bueno: yeah, then ignore the driver from ati |
| 16:28.36 | wols_ | NickAm: what temp files? |
| 16:28.45 | karsten | N1ckR: Right. You can rebalance by copying to a new partition, somewhat. But maintaining a certain free percentage helps massively |
| 16:28.47 | wols_ | nickr: ^^ |
| 16:29.32 | N1ckR | amule, creates temp part files and attempts to stitch them together to create the final download. |
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| 16:30.07 | N1ckR | I noticed measurable performance loss (measureable on the second hand of my watch) with ext3. |
| 16:30.17 | wols_ | last i checked emule clients create big, sparse file they download to and then rename it when it's finished |
| 16:30.20 | bueno | stew: so i have only to choose "radeon" when i reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 16:30.25 | wols_ | not many small temp files |
| 16:30.48 | NickAm | temp files ? |
| 16:30.48 | SlimG | Could anyone help me to find the source of my character trouble? http://files.iggu.org/testmanual is a manpage that contains the english alphabet + 3 special norwegian characters (Æ, Ø and Å), these three characters displays fine with "cat" but "nroff" has problem displaying them correctly and Lintian gives me a warning, why's this? |
| 16:30.53 | unperson | rahul, Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 16:31.10 | SlimG | testmanual is (or should be) UTF8 encoded |
| 16:31.11 | wols_ | NickAm: check mldonkey |
| 16:31.23 | bueno | stew: thanx for the information, i've to go to get some fresh air.... i will try it then on my laptop |
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| 16:31.34 | karsten | How do you get fragmentation % of a filesystem? dump2fs gives fragment size / fragments per group. fsck gives % but I prefer not running that on mounted FS. |
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| 16:31.50 | Jonny| | pornholijo |
| 16:32.02 | Kornholijo | u |
| 16:32.05 | wols_ | karsten: gentoo wiki/forums has some perl secript I saw |
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| 16:32.07 | NickAm | hmmm should i install this new server ? |
| 16:32.08 | unperson | rahul, I did try one called mp3wrap, but it didn't seem to work quite right. When I played the mp3 it was showing the wrong total length. |
| 16:32.14 | Kornholijo | !op Jonny| |
| 16:32.15 | Kornholijo | ok :D |
| 16:32.23 | karsten | wols_: http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/papers/xfs_white/xfs_white_paper.html |
| 16:32.30 | luca____ | Kornholijo: :O |
| 16:32.31 | karsten | wols_: General fragmentation info on xfs. |
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| 16:32.41 | Kornholijo | :P |
| 16:32.46 | Jonny| | Lol |
| 16:32.47 | Jonny| | :D |
| 16:32.48 | karsten | wols_: Might reduce your blocksize as well. |
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| 16:33.35 | darth_chatri | has anyone got wireless to work in etch on a dell? |
| 16:34.01 | Jonny| | Yes |
| 16:34.18 | darth_chatri | Jonny, which driver? |
| 16:34.21 | luca____ | can anyone tell me which is the better video card for beryl? I need an agp 128/256/512mb and i would want to spend maximum 100$ :D |
| 16:34.22 | karsten | anyone |
| 16:34.25 | karsten | !anyone |
| 16:34.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:34.30 | karsten | darth_chatri: Just ask your question |
| 16:34.34 | karsten | !tell darth_chatri about smart questions |
| 16:34.37 | Gathond | darth_chatri: I have in sid |
| 16:34.43 | wols_ | luca____: nvidia |
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| 16:34.55 | Gathond | darth_chatri: but the key question is probably which wireless card:) |
| 16:35.00 | wols_ | darth_chatri: what chipset do you have? |
| 16:35.02 | luca____ | wols_: which model? |
| 16:35.07 | darth_chatri | i tried bcm43xx as well as ndiswrapper, netiher work |
| 16:35.17 | darth_chatri | broadcom |
| 16:35.19 | wols_ | luca____: anything that meets your pricepoint. stay away from "turbocache" stuff |
| 16:35.28 | darth_chatri | i thought all recent dells have broadcom |
| 16:35.37 | wols_ | luca____: 7300GT should meet your price point |
| 16:35.44 | unperson | tacit, hmm...it looks like sox is trying to re-encode the files, and it says it can't for mp3s (probably not compiled in in the Ubuntu version due to patent concerns). |
| 16:35.44 | pickcoder | broadcom has produced a lot of different chips |
| 16:35.54 | wols_ | darth_chatri: lspci. check it then report your findings back to us |
| 16:35.58 | luca____ | wols_: ty :)) |
| 16:36.00 | wols_ | not all dells have broadcom chipsets |
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| 16:36.25 | darth_chatri | 14e4:4320 is the pci id |
| 16:36.30 | babilen_ | hi.. how can i find out what kind of hdd controller is used on a system? |
| 16:36.44 | wols_ | looks like a BCM4320 alright |
| 16:36.47 | valdyn | babilen_: with lspci |
| 16:36.50 | wols_ | babilen_: lspci |
| 16:36.54 | luca____ | wols_: and if i would want to spend less ? |
| 16:36.54 | unperson | This is frustrating because all I want is to stick these mp3s together, nothing fancy. Presumably it's real simple if you know the mp3 file structure. All you have to do it deal with the headers and stuff correctly, I'd imagine. |
| 16:37.00 | NickAm | why is it vsftpd is working fine when i use Cuteftp pro, and not from the linux box ??? thru ftp command ???? |
| 16:37.11 | NickAm | will it work ? |
| 16:37.22 | valdyn | unperson: maybe not |
| 16:37.25 | darth_chatri | i was using ndiswrapper earlier on an older ubuntu kernel |
| 16:37.35 | mrsn0 | unperson it shouldb't be frustrating really, there are many options for what you want to do |
| 16:37.35 | darth_chatri | dapper i think |
| 16:37.37 | babilen_ | as in ide or s-ata |
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| 16:37.52 | mrsn0 | have you tried audacity ? |
| 16:38.00 | NickAm | any one ?? |
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| 16:38.04 | darth_chatri | the native driver says 'radio off' twice |
| 16:38.06 | valdyn | unperson: http://stommel.tamu.edu/~baum/linux-music.html |
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| 16:38.17 | pickcoder | darth_chatri: the bcm43xx driver will give you more support features than the ndiswrapper |
| 16:38.38 | babilen_ | wols_: yes i know about lspci. i just want to know if it is a ide controller or a sata one.. |
| 16:38.39 | N1ckR | wols, http://pastebin.ca/561886 it appears amule creates a small backup file and also a file to store seeds for each download. |
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| 16:38.51 | luca____ | wols_: i need an agp |
| 16:38.53 | pickcoder | most of the nics I've setup with ndiswrapper have worked when the correct win32 driver was used |
| 16:38.57 | luca____ | not pciX |
| 16:38.57 | darth_chatri | pickcoder, the driver prints "radio off" and iwlist scan doesnt work |
| 16:39.02 | pickcoder | the trick is getting the correct driver from the vendor |
| 16:39.13 | N1ckR | But only one main file per download. |
| 16:39.16 | unperson | valdyn, I tried mp3wrap (listed on that page), but as I said it doesn't seem to work correctly. |
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| 16:39.24 | darth_chatri | pickcoder, yeah, i lost the earlier driver i was using |
| 16:39.29 | wols_ | buscon: lspci willt ell you |
| 16:39.38 | pickcoder | Dell is bad about posting a generic driver that may not work with all of the devices for the models stated |
| 16:39.39 | valdyn | unperson: 'doesnt seem to work correctly' ? |
| 16:39.52 | valdyn | unperson: that's one useless diagnosis |
| 16:39.53 | darth_chatri | pickcoder, also, when i blacklist bcm43xx, eth1 disappears completely |
| 16:40.06 | wols_ | luca____: there are tons of 7300GT agp cards out there |
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| 16:40.12 | unperson | valdyn, Because I already explained it earlier. |
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| 16:40.22 | wols_ | luca____: there are also 7600GS |
| 16:40.27 | unperson | valdyn, I was also trying to explain it again but can only type so fast. |
| 16:40.37 | Gathond | darth_chatri: well dell is big on broadcom, I think most of their laptops has intel cards though, probably has to for them to put that centrino stikker on them |
| 16:41.03 | wols_ | luca____: some 6200 might work without urbocache too |
| 16:41.04 | luca____ | wols_: i see which are all pci x |
| 16:41.20 | unperson | The resultant mp3 seemed to have issues with the length of the file so that on playback a different length (in time) is displayed than the actual length and the "slider" on the player doesn't seem to correspond to the actual position in the file. |
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| 16:41.41 | darth_chatri | i would like to get the native driver to work though. iwconfig lists the device, but iwlist scan says that the device doesnt support scanning |
| 16:41.45 | pickcoder | darth_chatri: did you setup the firmware? |
| 16:41.49 | luca____ | wols_: have it the support of "pixel shader"? |
| 16:41.54 | luca____ | *has it |
| 16:41.55 | luca____ | sorry |
| 16:42.10 | darth_chatri | pickcoder, i think so |
| 16:42.12 | wols_ | luca____: they are all DX9 cards. so yes |
| 16:42.13 | unperson | mrsn0, I'm open to suggestions. I've already tried mp3wrap with seemingly unsatisfactory results. |
| 16:42.31 | darth_chatri | i installed the 'cutter' package and it downloaded stuff and installed it |
| 16:42.52 | N1ckR | Anyhow, im still not clear how well jfs does for fragmentation compared to xfs.... |
| 16:42.56 | wols_ | darth_chatri: installed where? does it load the firmware? have you some log messages about it? |
| 16:42.59 | luca____ | wols_: because i would want to try the "water effect" and the "snow effect" too :D |
| 16:43.02 | mrsn0 | unperson well audacity is apt-get'able |
| 16:43.05 | darth_chatri | and i copied it all into /lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 16:43.21 | luca____ | thank you wols_ :)) |
| 16:43.21 | wols_ | darth_chatri: /lib/firmware |
| 16:43.52 | unperson | mrsn0, Yeah, i guess audacity is the next thing to try. I'd assumed there would be a CLI tool, but I guess not one that works. |
| 16:43.59 | darth_chatri | wols_, thats where is put it by default. i read somewhere that it should be /lib/hotplug/firmware, so i copied it there as well |
| 16:44.01 | wols_ | luca____: but remember: if you get a cheapo card. NO turbocache |
| 16:44.08 | mrsn0 | unperson as i said there are many options, and programs to do such a thing |
| 16:44.18 | pickcoder | darth_chatri: you do need the windows .sys driver to extract the firmware from |
| 16:44.23 | luca____ | wols_: why without turbocache? |
| 16:44.32 | darth_chatri | pickcoder, where do i get that from? |
| 16:44.40 | stew | unperson: the problem is that debian cannot provide mp3 authoring software due to patent restrictions |
| 16:44.49 | pickcoder | get it from your hardware vendor |
| 16:44.56 | stew | unperson: otherwise sox would do it. presumably you could recompile sox |
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| 16:44.57 | darth_chatri | i guess if i get it, ndiswrapper would work as well. i think i have got the wrong one |
| 16:45.00 | wols_ | luca____: turbocache means the card lacks its own memory and uses part of your main memory. that means it's slow and prone to crashing under linux |
| 16:45.09 | luca____ | ok wols_ :) |
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| 16:45.14 | pickcoder | bcmwl5.sys |
| 16:45.16 | wols_ | luca____: but those turbocache crap are the cheapest cards |
| 16:45.27 | pickcoder | unfortunately, Dell puts everything into .exe installers |
| 16:45.30 | unperson | stew, Right. My point is that I don't want to encode anything, just concatinate files already encoded with identical settings. |
| 16:45.33 | darth_chatri | pickcoder, i have that file, but i dont know whether its the right one |
| 16:45.44 | luca____ | on debian and ubuntu work good the "series 6 and 7"? |
| 16:45.46 | darth_chatri | ndiswrapper -l says hardware present |
| 16:45.59 | luca____ | wols_: no? |
| 16:46.00 | luca____ | :D |
| 16:46.04 | pickcoder | don't load them both |
| 16:46.11 | valdyn | unperson: its not possble, sais google |
| 16:46.14 | wols_ | luca____: I won't answer the same questions sevreal times. |
| 16:46.16 | pickcoder | get rid of ndiswrapper if you plan on using the bcm43xx |
| 16:46.18 | valdyn | unperson: without *some* reencoding |
| 16:46.30 | darth_chatri | no, i'm not, but i did that just to check whether it was the right one |
| 16:46.36 | luca____ | wols_: :P |
| 16:46.38 | luca____ | lol :D |
| 16:46.39 | valdyn | unperson: suppose mp3wrap just 'hacks' around that ( diff might not be audible ) |
| 16:46.48 | luca____ | now i go |
| 16:46.54 | luca____ | ty again wols_ :) |
| 16:48.11 | darth_chatri | pickcoder, i did bcm43xx-fwcutter -w bcmwl5.sys |
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| 16:48.18 | darth_chatri | that should be enough right? |
| 16:48.19 | unperson | valdyn, I see. Well that may be the case. I don't understand enough about mp3s to know for sure, though I wouldn't have guessed so. |
| 16:48.38 | pickcoder | darth_chatri: if everything is in /lib/firmware |
| 16:48.45 | stew | unperson: you think that the mp3 patent doesn't cover editing mp3s? i would guess that it does |
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| 16:49.13 | unperson | stew: AFAIK, the patent covers mp3 encoding and decoding. |
| 16:49.17 | darth_chatri | thats where it was extracted |
| 16:49.46 | unperson | stew: I don't think it can possibly cover simply concatenating files, changing header info, etc. |
| 16:49.50 | darth_chatri | anyone has the correct .sys for BCM4320? |
| 16:50.14 | stew | unperson: no, probably not. but then again concantenating files and changing headers wouldn't get you a valid mp3 |
| 16:50.30 | unperson | stew: And AFAIK, it's only the distribution of encoder software that the patent license prohibits (without royalties). |
| 16:51.18 | stew | unperson: correct. and such software is what you are after |
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| 16:52.45 | pickcoder | darth_chatri: that is a 4306 device |
| 16:52.46 | unperson | stew: yeah, I get that now. My entire confusing was predicated on the idea that this could be accomplished without re-encoding the existing mp3s. |
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| 16:54.06 | darth_chatri | i got it working, although i dont know what i did |
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| 16:54.45 | darth_chatri | i did ifconfig eth1 up and i think it started working |
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| 16:54.56 | wols_ | unperson: no. mp3 players have to pay royalties too. there is some open source exclusion granted by thomson multimedia that's all |
| 16:55.05 | wols_ | encoding and decoding both cost royalties |
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| 16:55.17 | helo | in a bash script, what is the easiest way to do this: if $str1 is in $str2; then foo; fi? |
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| 16:56.14 | unperson | wols_, Odd. I wonder why they'd grant an exclusion for OSS on decoding but not encoding. |
| 16:56.21 | kriebel | helo: sed ? |
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| 16:56.45 | kriebel | or awk; use a regexp and check the return value |
| 16:56.46 | Eulex | helo, check whether `echo $str1|grep $str2` is a non-zero-length string? |
| 16:56.50 | unperson | wols_, I figured they made decoding free in order to ensure the ubiquity of the format. |
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| 16:57.05 | helo | Eulex wins! :) |
| 16:57.14 | kriebel | or that... forgot that grep took stdin |
| 16:57.23 | kriebel | you should learn a bit of awk though |
| 16:58.40 | PsychoTrahe | hi all, can anyone tell me where to find a sarge netinstall iso? |
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| 16:59.16 | stew | kriebel: if [[ "$foo" =~ "$bar" ]] ; then x ; else y ; fi |
| 16:59.35 | unperson | stew, I always conceived on an mp3 as something akin to a dynamic Fourier transform with some loss pre-processing and header information. Thus, I thought that if the encoding settings were the same on two mp3s, they could probably be combined without re-encoding. |
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| 17:00.10 | haxality | I love the discussions I see in here. |
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| 17:00.27 | stew | unperson: i always envisioned them like a specialized zipfile which wouldn't allow for such things |
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| 17:01.10 | kriebel | stew: eew. I read man test and didn't see anything about =~ |
| 17:01.14 | Eulex | actually.... you can cat two mpg-files together if they are the same format and a few other things |
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| 17:01.18 | Eulex | dunno about mp3, though |
| 17:01.24 | stew | kriebel: yeah, i don't think test supports =~ |
| 17:01.49 | kriebel | well then where does [[ come from? |
| 17:01.55 | kriebel | fancy-pants bash? |
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| 17:02.07 | stew | kriebel: [ is test, not [[ ; [[ is a bash builtin |
| 17:02.19 | kriebel | so short answer: yes |
| 17:02.24 | stew | kriebel: [ is /usr/bin/[ |
| 17:02.36 | kriebel | well then, helo, did you see that |
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| 17:03.09 | stew | oh, i didn't realize helo asked the actual question |
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| 17:03.25 | pickcoder | I feel lazy today |
| 17:03.28 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 17:03.34 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 17:03.39 | unperson | stew, It certainly could be. Compression that isn't quasi-local in time would be the most efficient, in principle, but I'd think it'd be more difficult to process and impossible to stream. |
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| 17:04.17 | kriebel | mpeg is weird, and you could spend many days reading on it |
| 17:04.21 | kriebel | there are two containers |
| 17:04.29 | kriebel | one is streamable |
| 17:04.38 | kriebel | not sure what .mp3 uses |
| 17:04.41 | kriebel | maybe either |
| 17:04.56 | rahul | mp3 is supposed to be streamable |
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| 17:05.07 | rahul | at least, that's the impression I get. |
| 17:05.09 | kriebel | and I think cat-ing mpeg works through the grace of your player |
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| 17:05.31 | kriebel | well, it might be streamable like an animated GIF is streamable |
| 17:05.49 | kriebel | or mjpeg I might be thinking of |
| 17:05.49 | NickAm | help help help....i cant make the ftp run on this box, is there any other way of transfer files from this box ? |
| 17:05.56 | kriebel | whatever hack webcams use |
| 17:06.00 | unperson | rahul, well, mp3 streams certainly exist. :-) But I don't know anything about the implementation. |
| 17:06.04 | stew | NickAm: scp |
| 17:06.08 | pickcoder | NickAm: http? |
| 17:06.16 | kriebel | floppies :-p |
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| 17:06.23 | Eulex | null-modem cable |
| 17:06.28 | uwe | NickAm, why you cant run ftp on this box ? |
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| 17:06.30 | pickcoder | IR connection |
| 17:06.30 | unperson | Oh well, it sounds like the easiest thing for me to do is to apt-get the sox source and recompile it. |
| 17:06.46 | kriebel | ooh, I like Eulex's best so far |
| 17:06.47 | rahul | kriebel: no, I think you just have to start sending at a frame boundary |
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| 17:07.09 | NickAm | i dont know it dies, something happens, i connect with cute ftp pro it works fine, but when i connect thru a box it dies |
| 17:07.21 | NickAm | i tried using lftp, it gives the same problem |
| 17:07.21 | kriebel | thru? |
| 17:07.33 | Eulex | scribbling down the bits on a paper, then walking form the source computer to the destination computer and inputting the bits into the destination computer |
| 17:07.40 | uwe | NickAm, logs ? try another ftp server |
| 17:07.44 | uwe | pure ftp |
| 17:07.48 | NickAm | tried pure-ftp |
| 17:07.48 | uwe | pro ftp |
| 17:07.54 | uwe | ftpd |
| 17:07.55 | NickAm | now vsftpd |
| 17:08.09 | pickcoder | NickAm: do you have firewall rules on the box you're connecting from? |
| 17:08.13 | uwe | the daemon crashes ? or what happens ? |
| 17:08.15 | pickcoder | it's not the server |
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| 17:08.29 | stew | he is having a problem with active mode ftp? |
| 17:08.30 | NickAm | pickcoder i guess there are.. |
| 17:08.35 | Eulex | you could also take a photo of the paper on a wooden table, then printing the photo, scan it and use ocr to get the bits into the destination computer |
| 17:09.00 | uwe | oh , probably as pickcoder suggested, firewall issues, blocked ports |
| 17:09.12 | kriebel | ok Eulex. clearly the solution is IP-over-Carier-Pigeon |
| 17:09.24 | Eulex | kriebel, indeedly |
| 17:09.28 | pickcoder | true packetization of information |
| 17:09.31 | stew | NickAm: can you force your client to use passive mode ftp? |
| 17:09.35 | kriebel | I still don't understand wtf his actual problem is |
| 17:09.41 | NickAm | stew how can i do that ? |
| 17:10.00 | kriebel | type the passv command? |
| 17:10.11 | stew | NickAm: which client are you using? |
| 17:10.21 | pickcoder | stew: the default for "ftp" is active |
| 17:10.28 | NickAm | its on the core5 box that i am trying to connect from |
| 17:10.30 | pickcoder | NickAm: try ftp -p <host> |
| 17:10.41 | abrotman | wtf is core5? |
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| 17:10.51 | uwe | maybe fedora ? |
| 17:10.56 | pickcoder | that will not do back-connections for data commands |
| 17:11.02 | wols_ | abrotman: fedora |
| 17:11.08 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
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| 17:11.21 | NickAm | picftp> ls |
| 17:11.22 | NickAm | 227 Entering Passive Mode (81,3,6,29,87,4) |
| 17:11.26 | NickAm | it dies after that |
| 17:11.32 | kriebel | double NAT? |
| 17:11.35 | NickAm | Fedora core 5 |
| 17:11.38 | bueno | i saw bootscreens that are very colorfull..... with debian i have never had colors in my bootscreen |
| 17:11.45 | pickcoder | it's gotta be a firewall issue somewhere |
| 17:11.55 | bueno | is it possible to set colors? |
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| 17:11.58 | wols_ | it's most ptobably a NAT issue |
| 17:12.02 | stew | NickAm: what exactly do you mean by "dies"? |
| 17:12.04 | NickAm | stew its the general client |
| 17:12.08 | bueno | or for example colors for "username@machine" |
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| 17:12.14 | wols_ | meaning ftp can't allocate high ports for passive datatransfers |
| 17:12.17 | NickAm | stew: ftp: connect: Connection timed out |
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| 17:12.22 | NickAm | something like that |
| 17:12.26 | bueno | i mean "username@machine" <-- this is displayed in a console for example every line |
| 17:12.30 | kriebel | bueno, that last thing you mentioned is your prompt |
| 17:12.37 | bueno | okay thanx |
| 17:12.38 | wols_ | but until he actauly does what I asked him about 2 hours ago or so: who cares? |
| 17:12.39 | NickAm | pickcoder no same problem |
| 17:12.40 | pickcoder | NickAm: pastebin your iptables --list |
| 17:12.48 | pickcoder | on the client machien |
| 17:13.03 | stew | wols_: as he previously said. he doesn't know what you asked him to do |
| 17:13.52 | stew | (and the iptables --list for every machine in between you and the server? :)) |
| 17:14.02 | sigp239 | Anyone here use qemu? |
| 17:14.04 | jaapblaatgaap | can somebody explain me something . i isntalled vncserver and it only shows me black lines |
| 17:14.08 | stew | sigp239: assume the answer is yes |
| 17:14.09 | kriebel | there are ways to set colors on the shell, and Redhat does them by default, but I find them annoying |
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| 17:14.23 | wols_ | stew: since he answered my question with a non sequitur, he does |
| 17:14.28 | kriebel | there are also packages for bootsplash images (tux drinking) |
| 17:14.36 | pickcoder | jaapblaatgaap: are you trying to get to X? |
| 17:14.44 | stew | wols_: what is the question? |
| 17:14.47 | jaapblaatgaap | yea |
| 17:14.48 | wols_ | he should try to ocnnect to the ftp server from localhost and check if ti works |
| 17:14.54 | jaapblaatgaap | i did uncomment the lines |
| 17:14.56 | kriebel | bueno, and grub wallpapers |
| 17:14.56 | NickAm | pickcoder long list |
| 17:15.18 | sigp239 | stew: I want to use qemu to boot a WinXP partition from within Debian. I'm a bit lost on how to achieve this goal. |
| 17:15.40 | abrotman | can qemu even do that ? |
| 17:15.42 | stew | NickAm: please put it into a pastebin |
| 17:15.45 | bueno | okay thanx for the information kriebel |
| 17:15.50 | abrotman | sigp239: you mean a qemu image or really your XP partition ? |
| 17:15.50 | kriebel | I don't know if XP will live thought that |
| 17:15.59 | sigp239 | abrotman: really my xp partition |
| 17:16.01 | kriebel | bueno, sorry I'm not more helpful; I'm distracted |
| 17:16.09 | pickcoder | jaapblaatgaap: I had to make a few changes to get it working here. Let me see if I can find the info. |
| 17:16.17 | wols_ | if that works but frm remote does not, it's most likely a problem involving NAT or similar on both ends. in this case the ftp server has to assign a range of high ports and forward them too. then it will work |
| 17:16.29 | wols_ | however vsftpd cannot do this afaik, at least I never found a way |
| 17:16.37 | jaapblaatgaap | oke |
| 17:16.38 | jaapblaatgaap | il wait |
| 17:16.53 | abrotman | sigp239: i'd ask #qemu .. maybe qemu -hda <xp partition> -boot c -memory <blah> .. but i'd really really ask them before you screw up your XP data |
| 17:17.02 | NickAm | http://paste.uni.cc/16294 |
| 17:17.04 | NickAm | here it is |
| 17:17.05 | pickcoder | jaapblaatgaap: are you using gdm, kdm, etc? |
| 17:17.08 | abrotman | sigp239: let me emphasize.. i'd REALLY ask them first :) |
| 17:17.16 | sigp239 | ok thanks |
| 17:17.25 | abrotman | sigp239: i'm not even sure qemu can do what you're asking |
| 17:17.35 | jaapblaatgaap | gnome |
| 17:17.55 | sigp239 | abrotman: what app *can* do what I'm asking? |
| 17:17.58 | pickcoder | ok, but are you using the gnome desktop manager (graphical login) |
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| 17:17.59 | sigp239 | that you know of./ |
| 17:18.09 | kriebel | sigp239, vmware can, but it's hard |
| 17:18.13 | jaapblaatgaap | yea |
| 17:18.19 | NickAm | pickcoder nop i am using secure client |
| 17:18.23 | abrotman | sigp239: none that i know of |
| 17:18.37 | abrotman | sigp239: but there is a #qemu and #xen and a #vmware |
| 17:18.38 | stew | NickAm: we need the whole output, for instance, there was no OUTPUT chain there |
| 17:18.39 | kriebel | sigp239, you need to make sure windows has the drivers for all of the virtual hardware before it will boot |
| 17:18.54 | abrotman | kriebel: damn well should .. it's pretty generic stuff |
| 17:19.02 | kriebel | windows sucks that way |
| 17:19.07 | kriebel | it really will bitch |
| 17:19.10 | kriebel | for a long long time |
| 17:19.11 | NickAm | it just scroll away.. |
| 17:19.13 | abrotman | sigp239: you might also need to learn about bridging |
| 17:19.14 | NickAm | let me try again |
| 17:19.25 | abrotman | sigp239: and you might even have to reactivate |
| 17:19.32 | stew | NickAm: where did those firewall rules come from? there is a lot of nonsense in there |
| 17:19.37 | sigp239 | abrotman: maybe vmware would be a safer solution |
| 17:19.48 | abrotman | sigp239: i'd think it to be the same issue |
| 17:19.49 | pickcoder | jaapblaatgaap: first, try uncommenting and change the $vncStartup to $vncStartup = "/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc" |
| 17:19.57 | stew | NickAm: you "ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere", then you go on to DROP traffic from a ton of hosts, but that makes no sense if you are already accepting from anywhere |
| 17:20.16 | pickcoder | jaapblaatgaap: that's in /etc/vnc.con |
| 17:20.17 | stew | oh actually that could be just that it wasn't iptables -v |
| 17:20.17 | pickcoder | jaapblaatgaap: that's in /etc/vnc.conf |
| 17:20.22 | sigp239 | what's the name of my hard disk device if I'm using SATA not IDE? |
| 17:20.22 | jaapblaatgaap | oke |
| 17:20.24 | jaapblaatgaap | im going to try |
| 17:20.32 | abrotman | /dev/sdX# |
| 17:20.50 | sigp239 | abrotman: I don't have any /dev/sdX entries at all |
| 17:20.55 | jaapblaatgaap | oke im in |
| 17:21.04 | kriebel | sigp239, then udev hates you |
| 17:21.07 | wols_ | sigp239: fdisk -l |
| 17:21.11 | stew | sigp239: what does "uanme -r" say? |
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| 17:21.21 | NickAm | here's the remaining http://paste.uni.cc/16295 |
| 17:21.22 | py_ | hello |
| 17:21.22 | stew | sigp239: is this the same drive/controller that you are booted from? |
| 17:21.22 | sigp239 | stew: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 17:21.29 | sigp239 | stew: yes |
| 17:21.41 | sigp239 | stew: I think I added uuid to my fstab a while back |
| 17:21.45 | sigp239 | stew: maybe that is why |
| 17:21.51 | NickAm | stew it came pre-installed |
| 17:21.51 | pickcoder | jaapblaatgaap: if you get a desktop window, then you can change the settings below that for resolution, color depth, and pixel format |
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| 17:22.22 | jaapblaatgaap | oke |
| 17:22.25 | stew | sigp239: no, that isn't why. does the partition you are looking for show up when you run "fdisk -l"? |
| 17:22.28 | jaapblaatgaap | but vnc can also login as root ? |
| 17:22.36 | NickAm | stew: well just copying some directories from debain to fedora will solve my problem, do you know of an easy way to transfer files ? |
| 17:22.44 | stew | NickAm: scp |
| 17:22.49 | pickcoder | jaapblaatgaap: you may to have to edit the gdm config to allow root logins via remote |
| 17:22.53 | sigp239 | stew: yes it does |
| 17:22.55 | NickAm | stew: ok let me look at it. |
| 17:23.04 | jaapblaatgaap | yea i have to edit that |
| 17:23.04 | stew | sigp239: so you now know the device name? |
| 17:23.07 | jaapblaatgaap | but where is that file ? |
| 17:23.10 | pickcoder | jaapblaatgaap: I login as root using vnc |
| 17:23.11 | sigp239 | stew: /dev/sda1 * 1 31871 256003776 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 17:23.39 | kriebel | do we really have people in here who don't know how to use SSH? |
| 17:23.41 | py_ | I juste added "* hard core 0" to /etc/security/limits.conf, however calls like getrlimit(RLIMIT_CORE, &r) still give r.rlim_max == RLIM_INFINITY. Whats wrong there? |
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| 17:24.01 | jaapblaatgaap | pickcoder i understand |
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| 17:24.08 | jaapblaatgaap | but when i login i login under my user |
| 17:24.16 | kriebel | is that an SELinux question? |
| 17:24.24 | pickcoder | jaapblaatgaap: start the vnc screen when you are root |
| 17:24.26 | wols_ | NickAm: scp |
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| 17:24.36 | pickcoder | then login to that screen to get root |
| 17:25.37 | jaapblaatgaap | oke |
| 17:25.48 | jaapblaatgaap | another problem i cant login at distance |
| 17:25.53 | py_ | kriebel: don't know if you were asking me, if yes: this is on a normal ethc box, no SELinux enabled |
| 17:25.54 | jaapblaatgaap | there must be somekind of firewall on |
| 17:25.57 | jaapblaatgaap | with putty |
| 17:26.27 | NickAm | sftp worked with the same server |
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| 17:26.38 | NickAm | thanks guys.. |
| 17:26.51 | pickcoder | jaapblaatgaap: normally, vnc uses high ports so it could be your ISP |
| 17:26.51 | wols_ | NickAm: sftp uses ssh, NOT ftp |
| 17:26.55 | wols_ | !sftp |
| 17:26.55 | dpkg | well, sftp is a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". see http://winscp.net/ for a windows sftp client |
| 17:27.13 | NickAm | wols_ can i copy files ?? |
| 17:27.18 | wols_ | yes |
| 17:27.25 | pickcoder | if you have a firewall application installed, you may need to unblock the vnc port |
| 17:27.37 | NickAm | let me try downloading a file |
| 17:27.52 | jaapblaatgaap | yea well the vncport is working |
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| 17:27.56 | jaapblaatgaap | but the ssh port isnt |
| 17:27.58 | py_ | are limits defined in /etc/security/limits.conf not enforced for process started from the init? |
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| 17:28.38 | nweaver916 | question on ip forwarding |
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| 17:28.59 | pickcoder | jaapblaatgaap: start with your machine and check to see if the ssh port is listening on all interfaces |
| 17:29.14 | pickcoder | then move on to firewall rules that could block it |
| 17:29.15 | nweaver916 | if I "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" then it works, but setting a 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf and a reboot sets it to 0 |
| 17:29.17 | jaapblaatgaap | how to do that im new with debian |
| 17:29.29 | jaapblaatgaap | does gnome have a meny for fire wall ? |
| 17:29.33 | pickcoder | jaapblaatgaap: pastebin the output of netstat -a | grep ssh |
| 17:29.43 | jaapblaatgaap | meny "menu |
| 17:29.44 | wols_ | jaapblaatgaap: no. debian doesn't have a firewall at all unless you configure it |
| 17:29.57 | pickcoder | jaapblaatgaap: there are a few firewall applications for X, but you have to install them manually |
| 17:30.12 | jaapblaatgaap | how you do that ? |
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| 17:30.35 | Crissi | hello |
| 17:30.37 | pickcoder | one thing at a time |
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| 17:31.00 | Crissi | ./usr/lib/libobexftp.a(client.o): In function `.L203': |
| 17:31.00 | Crissi | (.text+0x1092): undefined reference to `cobex_ctrans' |
| 17:31.00 | Crissi | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 17:31.01 | wols_ | jaapblaatgaap: it's very unlikely you need a firewall |
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| 17:31.22 | Crissi | i got problems by using the libobexftp-dev package |
| 17:31.41 | Crissi | whats wrong there? |
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| 17:31.59 | jaapblaatgaap | yea oke |
| 17:32.04 | wols_ | an object file references a symbol it can't find. that's what's wrong |
| 17:32.07 | jaapblaatgaap | but still dont get why my ssh gets refused |
| 17:32.11 | jaapblaatgaap | im looking but i cant find it |
| 17:32.20 | brotherJohn1234 | is it possible to install grub to /dev/sda5 instead of /dev/sda ? |
| 17:32.28 | jotavo | hi, i need a little help, trying to use a Emulex LP8000 HBA in debian etch, because i can't find the utilities for debian |
| 17:32.35 | wols_ | jaapblaatgaap: you got told things to do. have you done them? |
| 17:32.39 | nweaver916 | brotherjohn1234: it's not a good idea in my experience |
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| 17:32.41 | Crissi | right but this missing symbol is missed in the library... |
| 17:33.25 | jotavo | anoyone with expierience un thar |
| 17:33.25 | jotavo | that |
| 17:33.26 | jaapblaatgaap | yea this right |
| 17:33.26 | jaapblaatgaap | are limits defined in /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 17:33.54 | jotavo | the driver lpfc is loaded correctly but to make rediscovery of the SAN i need the HbaAnywere utility |
| 17:34.02 | nweaver916 | anyone know why /etc/sysctl.conf is ignored on bootup (specifically the ip.forward stuff) |
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| 17:35.00 | stew | nweaver916: does running "sysctl -p" make the settings you are looking for? |
| 17:35.23 | nweaver916 | stew: yes |
| 17:35.41 | stew | nweaver916: are you setting ip.forward to 1 or 0? |
| 17:35.45 | nweaver916 | stew: net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding = 1 |
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| 17:36.16 | stew | nweaver916: does /etc/network/options exist? |
| 17:36.23 | nn_ | !ebay |
| 17:36.24 | dpkg | it has been said that ebay is a very popular auction site (good for cheap computer stuff) and is at http://www.ebay.com |
| 17:36.42 | nweaver916 | stew: no |
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| 17:36.55 | stew | nweaver916: (that's good) |
| 17:37.05 | nweaver916 | stew: is it because it is forwarding, not forward in the sysctl? |
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| 17:37.36 | stew | nweaver916: as long as it does what you want when you run "sysctl -p" it is correct |
| 17:37.52 | stew | nweaver916: (afaik it should be forwarding) |
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| 17:38.25 | stew | nweaver916: /etc/rcS.d/S30procps.sh exists? |
| 17:38.43 | nweaver916 | stew: not sure, I just started a reboot on that box |
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| 17:39.15 | explody | abrotman: I found the answer to the xen-custom-kernel-pkg thing |
| 17:40.25 | wfq | hi |
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| 17:40.25 | tnks_ | Is anyone on testing having serious problems with X? |
| 17:40.30 | stew | tnks_: /msg dpkg bts |
| 17:40.30 | bloom | I have a script Expand.groovy, with the shebang #!/usr/local/bin/groovy, so why is my computer deciding to run the script in bash when I type ./Expand.groovy? |
| 17:40.39 | tnks_ | I did an upgrade recently... and everything seems borked. |
| 17:40.52 | tnks_ | stew: I'm looking on bts now... but xorg is huge. |
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| 17:41.06 | stew | bloom: is /usr/local/bin/groovy a shell script? |
| 17:41.12 | explody | bloom: er, because the script is executable and you're running it? |
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| 17:41.20 | explody | oh bash |
| 17:41.20 | stew | tnks_: well you should ask a more specific question |
| 17:41.22 | explody | duh ignore me |
| 17:41.28 | wfq | what desktop system do you reccomend me to install?. I have been using kde but i would like to change for any oriented to console using |
| 17:41.31 | bloom | it's a groovy script, but the computer is ignoring the shebang |
| 17:41.44 | nweaver916 | stew: yes, the /etc/rcS.d/S30procps.sh is there |
| 17:41.53 | stew | bloom: what does "file /usr/local/bin/groovy" return? |
| 17:41.54 | nweaver916 | stew: but still no forwarding |
| 17:41.57 | rahul | wfq: run a WM and a terminal of your choice |
| 17:42.13 | rahul | wfq: no need for a bloated, less-featureful command-line replacement |
| 17:42.20 | bloom | stew: /usr/local/bin/groovy: symbolic link to `/opt/groovy-1.0/bin/groovy' |
| 17:42.25 | bloom | /opt/groovy-1.0/bin/groovy: POSIX shell script text executable |
| 17:42.32 | explody | wfq: minimal WMs: blackbox, fluxbox, openbox, windowmaker |
| 17:42.42 | rahul | wfq: and sawfish!! |
| 17:42.54 | wfq | rahul, which one do you use? |
| 17:42.55 | explody | and sawfish |
| 17:42.56 | rahul | sawfish is light and highly configurable... even customizable |
| 17:43.04 | stew | bloom: so run Expand.groovy, which, becuase of the shebang, runs /opt/groovy-1.0/bin/groovy, which becuase of the shebang, runs /bin/sh |
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| 17:44.03 | stew | bloom: what is making you say "deciding to run the script in bash".. are you getting an error? |
| 17:44.12 | maddash | whoever virtualized libnfnetlink1 is a ficking dipstick |
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| 17:44.34 | stew | maddash: keep it constructive, or go elsewhere |
| 17:45.09 | bkw | What debian package do I need if I'm running 2.6.18-4-amd64 and I want the source? |
| 17:45.13 | bloom | stew: yes, I get bash errors for the comment at the top of the script, and then the first import statement it tries to run /usr/bin/import (which is part of ImageMagick) |
| 17:45.25 | explody | bkw: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 17:45.25 | Suprano | Why is my java 32 bit if i installed sun-java6-bin on amd64 ?! |
| 17:45.26 | rahul | bkw: kernel-source-2.6.18-4 |
| 17:45.33 | rahul | yeah, linux- |
| 17:45.37 | stew | and no -4 |
| 17:45.48 | sigp239 | What is Error 17 when GRUB is loading? |
| 17:45.55 | rahul | sure :P |
| 17:45.55 | stew | bkw: why do you want the source. most people would want the headers, not the source |
| 17:46.00 | bkw | ok. so it doesn't have to be named with -amd? |
| 17:46.00 | explody | sigp239: hey I have a sigp229 |
| 17:46.12 | rahul | bkw: source is not compiled |
| 17:46.17 | sigp239 | explody: Congrats :) |
| 17:46.19 | maddash | stew: it's constructive. constructive catharsis. |
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| 17:46.45 | bkw | http://www.drugphish.ch/~ratz/mpt-status/readme.txt You should have mptbase and mptctl loaded or compiled into the kernel. If you |
| 17:46.45 | bkw | are to compile mpt-status by yourself, make sure you have the kernel source |
| 17:46.45 | bkw | installed, or else it will fail. |
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| 17:47.10 | bloom | stew: so I would think the final commandline should be #!/bin/sh /opt/groovy-1.0/bin/groovy Expand.groovy |
| 17:47.12 | HostilePenguin | if nmap shows open ports when nmap my routers ip is that ok? |
| 17:47.25 | explody | sigp239: and 17 is familiar but I'm not sure which it is...might be a borked MBR |
| 17:47.29 | bkw | Is linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64 all I want then? |
| 17:47.31 | rahul | HostilePenguin: you tell us |
| 17:47.42 | rahul | HostilePenguin: nmap is useless for testing security |
| 17:47.48 | HostilePenguin | assuming its not a teriffic thing |
| 17:47.53 | bloom | stew: but I would think that Expand.groovy would be passed as a parameter to the first script, not treated as a script for bash to run |
| 17:48.06 | bloom | stew: or is recursive shebang processing supposed to work like that. |
| 17:48.06 | stew | maddash: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. name calling is not going to be tollerated in this channel. and this is a support channel, not a channel for your catharsis |
| 17:48.29 | stew | bloom: i believe you are correct |
| 17:48.30 | nweaver916 | arghh...still not working. Why would it ignore the setting in sysctl.conf? |
| 17:48.32 | Suprano | Why is my java 32 bit if i installed sun-java6-bin on amd64 ?! |
| 17:48.45 | bloom | stew: which option is correct? |
| 17:49.03 | karsten | Suprano: Correction: Java's a 2-bit foulup. |
| 17:49.07 | stew | bloom: but I would think that Expand.groovy would be passed... |
| 17:49.22 | karsten | Suprano: Are you calling the version you just installed, or something else? |
| 17:49.33 | rahul | Suprano: because that's what Sun gave us |
| 17:49.40 | Suprano | i just installed it using apt.. sun-java6-bin |
| 17:49.47 | Suprano | hmm ok |
| 17:49.56 | tnks_ | is there an xorg command to generate a xorg.conf file? |
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| 17:50.06 | mike1o | what package is glib-gettextize in? |
| 17:50.06 | Suprano | but if 32 bit is all you have, why is it in amd64 then ? |
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| 17:50.19 | rahul | !drxx |
| 17:50.19 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 17:50.31 | stew | nweaver916: its not being ignored if "sysctl -p" doesn't ignore it. either, for some reason, sysctl -p isn't being called, or something is overwriting it later in the boot process, or the option you are trying to set doesn't yet exist at the time "sysctl -p" is being called |
| 17:50.55 | nweaver916 | stew: should sysctl -p SET that option? |
| 17:50.59 | tnks_ | rahul: thanks. |
| 17:51.04 | explody | nweaver916, yes |
| 17:51.07 | stew | nweaver916: yes |
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| 17:51.13 | nweaver916 | hmm...it's not |
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| 17:51.36 | nweaver916 | it shows ip.forwarding=1, but doesn't set it (cat the proc file and it's still a 0) |
| 17:51.43 | stew | nweaver916: wait, it seems liek you are talking about two different options, proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/default/forwarding |
| 17:51.51 | explody | nweaver916: your networking is probably starting up _after_ the kernel settings (sysctl.conf) and is setting ip_forwarding to 0 |
| 17:51.55 | stew | nweaver916: what shows "ip.forwarding = 1"? |
| 17:51.58 | explody | ooh yeah or that |
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| 17:52.18 | bloom | stew: I guess recursive shebang processing is also unintitutive |
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| 17:52.29 | nweaver916 | stew: sysctl -p shows "net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding = 1" |
| 17:52.49 | nweaver916 | stew: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forwarding shows a 0 |
| 17:52.57 | bloom | stew: (I already know that if you do #!/usr/bin/command -param -parm2 it treats "-param -param2" as single string literal) |
| 17:53.01 | explody | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward <== This turns on ipv4 forwarding |
| 17:53.15 | bloom | stew: so I guess that recursive shebang processing has a similar problem |
| 17:53.16 | nweaver916 | explody: until the next reboot |
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| 17:53.35 | stew | bloom: ask #bash |
| 17:53.37 | explody | nweaver916: I was just making sure you weren't setting one of the other ones ;) |
| 17:53.46 | bloom | stew: thanks |
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| 17:54.21 | stew | nweaver916: yes, do you see that you are setting one and checking another? |
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| 17:55.04 | nweaver916 | stew: ip.forward throws an error from sysctl -p, it has to be forwarding or it doesn't work |
| 17:55.32 | stew | nweaver916: yes, ip.forwarding for both options |
| 17:55.51 | stew | nweaver916: wait, it seems liek you are talking about two different options, proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/default/forwarding |
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| 17:56.03 | epsilon | using autossh, do I need ssh key with or without passphrase? |
| 17:56.19 | nweaver916 | Stew: I am trying to set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to 1 on bootup |
| 17:56.39 | nweaver916 | stew: I thought sysctl.conf was the place to do that :D |
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| 17:56.52 | stew | nweaver916: it is, what did you put into sysctl.conf |
| 17:57.38 | nweaver916 | stew: I modified the existing line "net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=0" to a 1 |
| 17:58.00 | stew | nweaver916: that doesn't set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, it sets /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/default/forwarding |
| 17:58.26 | nweaver916 | stew: makes sense...since it is not setting the one I thought it should....does that enable ipv4 routing too then? |
| 17:58.49 | abrotman | explody: ? |
| 17:58.57 | stew | nweaver916: waht do you mean by routing? if you mean what I think you mean it is enabled by default |
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| 17:59.18 | nweaver916 | stew: I am routing packets between networks (with 2 interfaces) |
| 17:59.19 | Gokee2 | I did apt-get install xjadeo and everything seemed to work but xjadeo does not start it says "xjadeo: error while loading shared libraries: libavformat.so.50: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" I am running debian testing. Can anyone tell me what to do to fix this problem? Thanks |
| 17:59.35 | bkw | mpt-status_1.2.0-4_amd64.deb is available for unstable, but can I install it on etch stable? |
| 17:59.36 | stew | nweaver916: yes, that is forwarding, which you have been asking about all along |
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| 18:00.05 | nweaver916 | stew: I have always enabled forwarding by echoing 1 to /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 18:00.06 | abrotman | stew: i see you altered reality! |
| 18:00.28 | stew | abrotman: did i? |
| 18:00.37 | nweaver916 | stew: but I added a line to sysctl of net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 and it set the file I thought it should |
| 18:00.41 | Karcaw_ | is there a special channel for debian bug discussions? |
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| 18:01.05 | timthelion | how do I kill whatever process has a lock on /dev/dsp? |
| 18:01.09 | abrotman | stew: fast typing! |
| 18:01.12 | stew | Karcaw_: what about the bugs? |
| 18:01.23 | abrotman | timthelion: fuser /dev/dsp .. then kill the pid |
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| 18:01.41 | Karcaw_ | stew: i messed up the subject line on a bug and i need to get it fixed |
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| 18:02.06 | poe-t | hi! any pundits on TeX around? |
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| 18:02.47 | stew | Karcaw_: send a mail to "control@bugs.debian.org" with the body, "retitle bug# this is where the correected title goes" |
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| 18:02.55 | abrotman | Karcaw_: which bug? |
| 18:03.00 | Karcaw_ | stew: thanks |
| 18:03.08 | stew | Karcaw_: (where bug# is, of course, the bug# you received back from owner@bugs.debian.org) |
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| 18:03.33 | stew | Karcaw_: if you go to http://bugs.debian.org there is a reference for this stuff under "manipulating bugs by email" |
| 18:03.48 | x_link | How can I see which xorg I'm using? |
| 18:03.55 | stew | x_link: X -version |
| 18:03.59 | x_link | Ahh right. Thanks. |
| 18:04.35 | Karcaw_ | stew: found the info thanks |
| 18:04.47 | bkw | is is possible to rebuild a unstable package to stable? |
| 18:04.56 | rahul | !bpo |
| 18:04.56 | dpkg | well, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 18:05.08 | x_link | stew: "X Windows System Version 1.3.0" |
| 18:05.10 | x_link | That must be wrong. |
| 18:05.24 | explody | abrotman: that custom kernel thing I was griping about yesterday |
| 18:05.32 | abrotman | explody: i know .. what was it ? |
| 18:05.32 | wols_ | x_link: dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 18:05.37 | explody | oh oh |
| 18:05.40 | stew | bkw: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:05.55 | x_link | 1:7.2-3 |
| 18:05.59 | x_link | wols_: Thanks mate. |
| 18:06.30 | explody | well basically the problem is that upstream xen has not released a kernel patch for a while and therefore you can't really use kernel-package |
| 18:06.30 | abrotman | explody: oh .. that's fun :) |
| 18:06.38 | explody | yeah it seemed to be conspicuously missing to me, and that's why |
| 18:07.15 | explody | so I just built from upstream sources, which sucks to roll into production but I'll just have to deal with it until it gets fixed |
| 18:07.49 | explody | I have to put a hold on the kernel packages anyway so I suppose it's no big deal |
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| 18:08.16 | abrotman | just watch for your own security issues |
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| 18:08.35 | explody | which I do anyway |
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| 18:09.13 | smacnay | Are the discover and discover1 packages needed or a good idea on a machine using udev (no hotplug)? |
| 18:09.26 | valdyn | smacnay: no |
| 18:09.50 | smacnay | valdyn: thanks - I thought they might conflict or overlap. |
| 18:09.52 | valdyn | smacnay: maybe they are still used for figuring out which driver to use for X, but they are not generally useful |
| 18:10.10 | valdyn | smacnay: they overlap, that's not an issue |
| 18:10.11 | abrotman | they won't kill each other .. but it's somewhat redundanty |
| 18:10.16 | explody | ugh i have to turn off this xdmx |
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| 18:10.24 | explody | killing my video performance |
| 18:10.26 | valdyn | smacnay: udev implies hotplug, basically |
| 18:10.43 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks - I seem to recall removing them shortly after installing this system. |
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| 18:11.31 | smacnay | I wonder if udev is responsible for my scanner only operating as root (most likely not seeing as it runs as user as long as I don't use xsane). |
| 18:11.47 | smacnay | xscanimage and scanimage work as "user" |
| 18:11.48 | valdyn | smacnay: which device node is your scanner? |
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| 18:13.30 | smacnay | valdyn: ha! I see that there were some sane files updated on this dist-upgrade - NOW it works. |
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| 18:13.39 | smacnay | valdyn: thanks anyway. |
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| 18:19.29 | grendal_prime | ok im trying to script something in my rc.local ...now the shebang looks like !#/bin/sh -e |
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| 18:20.00 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 18:20.00 | dpkg | i heard rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
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| 18:20.38 | SamuraiDio | hi, i need some help here... |
| 18:20.42 | grendal_prime | i have a script that works when i run it with !#/bin/bash so my question is can i change the shell for rc.local? |
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| 18:21.31 | abrotman | grendal_prime: make your own script .. don't use rc.local |
| 18:22.22 | SamuraiDio | when upgrade/dist-upgrade, i want to keep my system on the testing version, exept for the unstable packages that i have, then need to upgrade to the latest versions, also with their dependencies |
| 18:22.40 | abrotman | !tell SamuraiDio about pinning |
| 18:22.53 | Thms | how to hidet he /home of other user for an user connected with ssh on my server ? |
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| 18:24.08 | grendal_prime | not my planning really. its kinda a bad idea for me to start suggesting something else at this point |
| 18:24.39 | grendal_prime | i changed the shell to /bin/bash and it seems to work fine now |
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| 18:26.31 | abrotman | stew: what's the URL for the nyc-linux-social thing? |
| 18:26.52 | xingu | grendal_prime: your script is returning with a nonzero exit code; fix it. |
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| 18:27.32 | abrotman | stew: ignore .. i foudn it |
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| 18:29.06 | zeroflag_ | Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 18:30.09 | bolt | zeroflag: what errors? |
| 18:30.15 | wols_ | zeroflag: that's unfortunate, but your current "problem report" of yours is pretty useless |
| 18:30.22 | stew | zeroflag: show us the actual command you typed and the actual errors; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:30.31 | wols_ | we need a bit more info if we shall help you |
| 18:30.45 | badblody | anyone knows a solution to a problem with dpkg in etch that makes aptitude hangs with half hour - a hour with dpkg zombie? |
| 18:31.18 | zeroflag | http://pastebin.ca/562182 |
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| 18:31.39 | abrotman | harddrive full ? |
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| 18:32.00 | zeroflag | darn. |
| 18:32.03 | zeroflag | it is full. >_< |
| 18:32.54 | holycow | hey guys |
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| 18:33.06 | zeroflag | hmm. |
| 18:33.17 | zeroflag | how can I find out where the big hdd-hogs are? |
| 18:33.35 | zeroflag | I got 2GB of space but I don't know what's taking so much... |
| 18:33.38 | holycow | so on a debian system, if i wanted to change the time without mucking about with time settings, can i just change the time zone and force the time service to update it self? |
| 18:33.49 | SamuraiDio | can i use pinning with aptitude? |
| 18:33.55 | denken | zeroflag: du? |
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| 18:34.10 | zeroflag | denken: any way to sort that and only print the big ones? |
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| 18:34.35 | denken | zeroflag: sort and head |
| 18:34.43 | zoidy | how do I change the format of the bash prompt, the part that shows like "[user@host ~] |
| 18:34.55 | denken | zoidy: google for "bash prompt howto" |
| 18:35.15 | denken | SamuraiDio: yes |
| 18:35.23 | zoidy | denken: lots of pages, thanks |
| 18:35.37 | denken | SamuraiDio: aptitude is just a frontend for apt |
| 18:36.11 | SamuraiDio | sure |
| 18:36.26 | denken | holycow: im a little confused by that question... what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 18:36.50 | xingu | hmm, time to go maintainer poking : "100.14.09 includes a workaround for a global_flush_tlb() bug present in >= Linux 2.6.20" |
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| 18:37.00 | stew | SamuraiDio: just don't try to use pinning to mix stable and testing or stable and unstable |
| 18:37.07 | holycow | change the time, but because the vmware image i'm running is set to norweigan time i would like to set it to pacific time |
| 18:37.22 | holycow | so was thinking that just setting it to pacific time would be enough to update the time |
| 18:37.44 | SamuraiDio | denken, so, if i let my priority to testing higher than unstable, such as example on he wiki, and i do a dist-upgrade, aptitude will update all my testing packages (keeping testing) and all my unstable packages, upgrade their dependencies to unstable? |
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| 18:38.40 | stew | SamuraiDio: no, if you put testing higher than unstable, only packages which don't exist in testing would be upgraded to unstable versions |
| 18:38.53 | denken | holycow: it should be, yes |
| 18:39.08 | SamuraiDio | aff |
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| 18:39.52 | SamuraiDio | stew, i have enlightenment DR17, unstalbe, instaled here, all i want is to update it and its dependencies, but keep all the resting to testing |
| 18:40.14 | denken | SamuraiDio: then i would use something like APT::Default-Release |
| 18:40.18 | denken | in apt.conf |
| 18:40.27 | denken | then you can just do something liek "apt-get install -t lenny <blah>" |
| 18:40.44 | xerophyte | i have installed sysstat when i try to run the /etc/init.d/sysstat start it sayings its not enabled, ... how can i enable it .. ? |
| 18:40.45 | SamuraiDio | :-| |
| 18:40.46 | denken | youll need to do some reading about it of course |
| 18:40.59 | stew | SamuraiDio: do you have more than one repository that provides DR17? (debian doesn't provide any) |
| 18:41.00 | nictuku | hi. I'm running Etch with a non-standard kernel. I'm having this strange problem with e1000, the gigabit ethernet driver. it loads fine, eth0 appears in dmesg, but ethtool or ifconfig -a won't show it. I see no other errors. FYI it boots fine with Knoppix. I also tested with the latest version of the module, but same effects. |
| 18:41.16 | xand | nictuku: and with the standard kernel? |
| 18:41.18 | nictuku | I fear it's a udev or something else issue. any hints? |
| 18:41.19 | SamuraiDio | stew, yes |
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| 18:41.30 | SamuraiDio | stew, its an unstable rep |
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| 18:41.38 | SamuraiDio | ...since its cvs |
| 18:41.38 | stew | SamuraiDio: and what is the other one? |
| 18:41.50 | SamuraiDio | stew, edevelop.org/debian |
| 18:41.58 | SamuraiDio | stew, edevelop.org/debian unstable |
| 18:42.11 | stew | SamuraiDio: one is unstable and the other is what? testing? |
| 18:42.21 | SamuraiDio | sure |
| 18:42.39 | SamuraiDio | stew, but E17 requires some debian unstable packages |
| 18:42.39 | nictuku | xand, I could try that, but I need some extra options. So I guess I should find what's going on. if all fail, I'll go try the vanilla kernel |
| 18:42.56 | stew | SamuraiDio: then if you pin testing, it will keep you on testing version of enlightenment |
| 18:43.02 | SamuraiDio | stew and the better way to update it is with aptitude upgrade |
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| 18:43.14 | SamuraiDio | lol |
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| 18:43.22 | stew | SamuraiDio: if the package depends specically on versions from unstable, you'll get the versions from unstable |
| 18:43.33 | stew | SamuraiDio: yes, you should update it with 'aptitude upgrade' |
| 18:43.46 | SamuraiDio | sure, ill try |
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| 18:44.21 | stew | SamuraiDio: if you specifically want the DR17 from unstable not testing, then you should put an individual unstable pin on that package name |
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| 18:45.09 | SamuraiDio | stew, just figure this, if i pin testing, mu upgrade will keep it all testing, but i have some packages that are unstable, with upgrade, they will stay unstable, but will their dependencies be upgraded to unstable too? |
| 18:45.48 | stew | SamuraiDio: no. if you have testing pinned and no specific package pins, packages that are from unstable will not be upgraded unless there is a newer version in TESTING |
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| 18:46.17 | stew | SamuraiDio: once you install a package, the package system has no concept of whehter the package came from testing or unstable |
| 18:46.34 | SamuraiDio | hmm... |
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| 18:52.53 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 18:52.53 | dpkg | <reality> whats the debian package with all the build essentials? |
| 18:53.02 | abrotman | not so good .. |
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| 18:53.11 | stew | !qotd0 |
| 18:53.11 | dpkg | from memory, qotd170 is * Gnurdux touchtypes with 2 fingers, so sometimes he gets off |
| 18:53.13 | szymon_g | hi |
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| 18:53.23 | abrotman | that one is though! |
| 18:53.35 | abrotman | stew: guess who is going to NYC! |
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| 18:54.06 | szymon_g | did anyone tried to install graphic drivers on debian using envy? |
| 18:54.27 | abrotman | wtf is envy? |
| 18:54.37 | tarzeau | !envy |
| 18:54.37 | abrotman | (btw .. that'd be a "no" for me) |
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| 18:54.44 | tarzeau | it's not even a package |
| 18:54.54 | dkr | I've tried, but my envy just festers and doesn't seem to accomplish anything at all |
| 18:54.57 | abrotman | i'd google envy .. but i'm scared what would come back |
| 18:55.08 | stew | abrotman: you? |
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| 18:55.15 | szymon_g | i used it on ubuntu |
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| 18:55.27 | Ronin | heh that explains it then szymon_g |
| 18:55.34 | szymon_g | it works fine, but i'm trying to use it on debian etch |
| 18:55.42 | abrotman | stew: damog!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:55.56 | szymon_g | version 0.9.5 support (in theory) debian |
| 18:55.58 | abrotman | stew: mets game? :) |
| 18:56.03 | stew | abrotman: sure |
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| 18:56.16 | Ronin | szymon_g: probably not a good idea to try to run ubuntu apps on debian and vice versa |
| 18:56.37 | damog | :D |
| 18:56.42 | szymon_g | ronin : prabably its true, but look here http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html |
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| 18:56.54 | szymon_g | it is written, that it supports etch |
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| 18:57.26 | abrotman | stew: i suppose i should talk to mrs stew about that? |
| 18:57.34 | stew | abrotman: yeah, i just go where she tells me |
| 18:57.37 | wols_ | abrotman: I think it's some easy to use crap from the ubuntu area |
| 18:57.45 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
| 18:57.50 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:57.50 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 18:57.55 | Ronin | szymon_g: or install it the debian way |
| 18:58.03 | szymon_g | ?? |
| 18:58.09 | szymon_g | .run file ? |
| 18:58.13 | abrotman | szymon_g: you meant nvidia drivers right ? |
| 18:58.18 | wols_ | szymon_g: it's a ubuntu thing. ask them |
| 18:58.19 | szymon_g | yeah |
| 18:58.20 | wols_ | abrotman: http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html |
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| 18:58.24 | maxdoubt | i'm looking for a gnu management utility that can manage several thousand thin-clients, suggestions? |
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| 18:58.27 | abrotman | !tell szymon_g about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:58.55 | szymon_g | thanks :P |
| 18:59.02 | abrotman | wols_: he can't even write a website .. why would i use his app ? |
| 18:59.08 | abrotman | oh .. it finally came up :) |
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| 18:59.35 | abrotman | Ronin: there is a "debian" package for envy |
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| 19:00.55 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to run wine under etch but I keep getting this error: |
| 19:01.16 | solemnwarning | http://rafb.net/p/yEpD4m43.html |
| 19:01.42 | wols_ | solemnwarning: what are you running exactly? |
| 19:02.06 | solemnwarning | It happens with all windows bins and even winecfg |
| 19:02.11 | Ronin | abrotman: really? hmmm |
| 19:02.31 | zeroflag | hmmm... |
| 19:02.36 | abrotman | why can't it create a ~/.wine ? |
| 19:02.57 | zeroflag | it seems my system doesn't have grub or lilo installed... AND it doesn't like my 2.6 kernel image I put in /boot... |
| 19:03.28 | stew | zeroflag: be more specific? what makes you say "it doesn't like my 2.6 kernel"... |
| 19:03.36 | wols_ | zeroflag: if it doesn't, how do you boot? |
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| 19:05.15 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 19:05.16 | zeroflag | OH MY FUCKING GOD! |
| 19:05.21 | zeroflag | these idiots! |
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| 19:05.40 | zeroflag | they switched me to a new (ubuntu 7.04) server 2 months ago... |
| 19:05.50 | zeroflag | the domain is STILL pointing to the old server. |
| 19:05.51 | szymon_g | :P |
| 19:06.11 | zeroflag | and I'm wondering why my ubuntu downgraded itself to woody. ~~ |
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| 19:07.00 | stew | zeroflag: someone would have to go through a ton of trouble to try to downgrade |
| 19:07.14 | stew | zeroflag: things never downgrade themselves |
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| 19:07.22 | zeroflag | sorry for wasting your time. :[ |
| 19:07.25 | Yggdrasil | hello, can somone explain to me what lrm is ? |
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| 19:08.00 | null- | does anyone happen to know of a command-line alternative to AMule and/or Valknut? Debian -unstable. |
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| 19:08.23 | abrotman | amule is p2p or BT ? |
| 19:08.34 | szymon_g | p2p |
| 19:08.38 | abrotman | gift i think |
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| 19:10.41 | zeroflag | isn't BT p2p? oO |
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| 19:11.19 | dkr | amule is an ed2k client |
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| 19:11.52 | dkr | and it rocks for anime. :) |
| 19:12.00 | null- | hmm.. is gift to p2p what bitlbee is to IM/IRC ? |
| 19:12.22 | dkr | gift had it's own protocol I think, but also plugins for some other major protocols liek fasttrack |
| 19:12.23 | zeroflag | null-: tried mldonkey? |
| 19:12.37 | null- | zeroflag: no |
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| 19:12.54 | zeroflag | last I used it was 3 years ago but it was rather decent. |
| 19:13.21 | null- | I seem to have only mldonkey-gui available |
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| 19:13.41 | null- | and kmldonkey. in any case, no "simple" mldonkey |
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| 19:13.56 | zeroflag | *shrugs* |
| 19:13.57 | dkr | there is a command line app to add ed2k hashes to your already running amule... |
| 19:13.58 | Yggdrasil | lrm anyone ? |
| 19:14.01 | zeroflag | I compiled it from scratch. |
| 19:14.16 | null- | I don't like compiling from scratch |
| 19:14.23 | null- | :) |
| 19:14.25 | null- | but thanks |
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| 19:15.00 | null- | dkr: the thing is, the doctor told me to cut back on X. bad for my heart or something. so I'm trying to go 100% cli |
| 19:16.25 | dkr | null-: that's silly, you can always run commands in terminals in X to do command line stuff. In fact, most of my X desktop are filled with xterms. There are some things that lend themselves very well to a graphical interface and smoe that don't. So use both. :) |
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| 19:17.41 | wols_ | that's CLR |
| 19:17.53 | zeroflag | or Common Language Infrastructure. :) |
| 19:18.10 | \amethyst | wols_: CLI is the spec, CLR an implementation |
| 19:18.19 | szymon_g | see ya all |
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| 19:21.52 | null- | dkr: it isn't silly to me |
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| 19:25.22 | dkr | null-: I didn't say it was. I was giving *my* opinion. :) |
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| 19:27.23 | Vooloo | is it possible to execute a command on commandline and pipe to some program that calcualtes how long it takes to finish the process ? |
| 19:27.36 | stew | Vooloo: run "time comand" |
| 19:27.42 | \amethyst | Vooloo: the time builtin |
| 19:27.52 | \amethyst | Vooloo: you don't need to pipe |
| 19:28.19 | Vooloo | \amethyst: curl -I "http://..." | time |
| 19:28.26 | duki | bonsoir, |
| 19:28.26 | Vooloo | no pipe?? |
| 19:28.28 | \amethyst | Vooloo: time curl -I "...." |
| 19:28.30 | stew | Vooloo: no, time curl -I "http://..." |
| 19:28.34 | \amethyst | Vooloo: like stew said |
| 19:28.36 | Vooloo | Oh |
| 19:28.45 | Vooloo | great thanks |
| 19:29.03 | \amethyst | Vooloo: note that, in bash, time is a builtin that works on a whole pipeline |
| 19:29.11 | Vooloo | Okay |
| 19:29.18 | duki | J'ai un CD (conçu pour windows), il contient des fichiers dxr, quelqu'un sait de quoi il s'agit? |
| 19:29.27 | stew | !fr |
| 19:29.27 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:30.25 | duki | Okay, Sorry, thank you |
| 19:30.50 | duki | It was a mistake :( |
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| 19:31.32 | th13fp45s | Hello, How can I run "xset r off" before gdm? |
| 19:31.34 | \amethyst | duki: Macromedia/Adobe Director stuff, I think |
| 19:31.40 | Vooloo | \amethyst: piping gives a different output in real time |
| 19:31.50 | th13fp45s | I need to disable keyboard repetition rate on the login screen |
| 19:31.52 | vonkrolok | hi guys I need a hand for a TeXlive 2007 installation on a Xubuntu linux, is there anyone who could help? |
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| 19:32.13 | \amethyst | Vooloo: ? |
| 19:32.15 | null- | Vooloo: do you understand what "piping" is ? |
| 19:32.17 | Yggdrasil | hello, can somone explain to me what lrm is , im having an intersting problem and im trying to get a grasp on it. |
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| 19:32.47 | duki | I have a cdrom with many files *.dxr, what is it? Can I play these files under linux.? |
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| 19:33.13 | stew | duki: dunno, what does "file /path/to/foo.dxr" say they are? |
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| 19:33.29 | th13fp45s | Can someone help me? |
| 19:33.41 | georgy28 | ! ask |
| 19:33.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:33.44 | Vooloo | \amethyst, running "time command" shows the real time after execution, running | time actively displays "time spent" on the command |
| 19:33.47 | rgsteele | It's worth noting that "piping" and "pipelining" are not one and the same. |
| 19:33.57 | rgsteele | Just in case there's a semantics issue here. |
| 19:34.02 | Vooloo | I mean output is different |
| 19:34.23 | \amethyst | th13fp45s: add it in /etc/gdm/Init/Default maybe? |
| 19:35.01 | wols_ | duki: filext.com |
| 19:35.08 | th13fp45s | \amethyst: hummm... good Idea |
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| 19:35.46 | \amethyst | Vooloo: So what are you asking exactly? |
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| 19:36.17 | Vooloo | \amethyst: if its the same command how come? |
| 19:36.32 | \amethyst | Vooloo: I have not encountered the behaviour you're talking about |
| 19:36.52 | \amethyst | Vooloo: When I run command | time I get a usage message from time |
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| 19:37.26 | duki | stew: I pasted the root of this CD here: http://pastebin.be/2670 (It a cdrom of video) |
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| 19:38.32 | dkr | \amethyst: man time :) |
| 19:38.33 | \amethyst | duki: DXR is probably some kind of Macromedia Director file, and you probably can't do anything useful with it in Linux (unless you're into reverse-engineering) |
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| 19:38.55 | dkr | \amethyst: your method is kind of working by accident |
| 19:38.59 | stew | duki: what does "file anasheed.dxr" return? |
| 19:39.19 | th13fp45s | \amethyst: It directory doesnt exist in etch |
| 19:39.19 | \amethyst | dkr: It shouldn't be working at all |
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| 19:39.27 | \amethyst | dkr: but Vooloo says it is |
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| 19:39.58 | \amethyst | Vooloo: what does time --version say? |
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| 19:40.08 | \amethyst | Vooloo: you might have to run that as /usr/bin/time --version |
| 19:40.16 | dkr | \amethyst: oh yeah, there is also a shell builtin command caleld time for many shells which probabyl difers from /usr/bin/time |
| 19:40.22 | duki | stew: do you mean the type of this file? It is : anasheed.dxr: data |
| 19:40.33 | \amethyst | Vooloo: What shell do you use? |
| 19:40.40 | stew | duki: if it just says "data" then i don't know |
| 19:40.50 | stew | Vooloo: what does "echo $SHELL" return? |
| 19:42.08 | duki | stew: yes you are right. Thank you. |
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| 19:44.08 | th13fp45s | Hello, How can I run "xset r off" before gdm? |
| 19:44.20 | th13fp45s | where is the file? |
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| 19:44.53 | stew | th13fp45s: you can't. xset wont work until x is started and gdm is the thing that starts x |
| 19:45.29 | bolt | How can I get vim to be the editor for crontab and mutt emails and such things? |
| 19:45.29 | th13fp45s | stew: owww |
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| 19:45.46 | abrotman | bolt: update-alternatives |
| 19:46.03 | th13fp45s | stew: So there is some way to disable keyboard repetition rate in the gdm login screen? |
| 19:46.24 | stew | th13fp45s: it could probably be disabled in xorg.conf |
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| 19:47.16 | th13fp45s | stew: hummm... it will be a nice try |
| 19:47.29 | \amethyst | bolt: to set that on a per-user basis, use the EDITOR or VISUAL environment variables... sensible-editor tries VISUAL first, then EDITOR, then /usr/bin/editor (the alternative), then nano, then nano-tiny, then vi |
| 19:47.31 | th13fp45s | stew: Do you know how do this? |
| 19:48.07 | stew | th13fp45s: not off the top of my head. check 'man kbd' it would be an XkbOption or something |
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| 19:49.22 | th13fp45s | ok |
| 19:49.30 | bolt | \amethyst: how do I know which alternatives are set and can be altered? like editor? |
| 19:49.37 | th13fp45s | stew: thank you! |
| 19:49.51 | stew | th13fp45s: googling for xorg.conf repeat rate turns up lots of hits on "AutoRepeat" |
| 19:50.18 | th13fp45s | hummmm... let me see |
| 19:50.29 | \amethyst | bolt: ls /etc/alternatives will list them all |
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| 19:51.42 | jakub_ | hi |
| 19:51.49 | jakub_ | my linux webbrowsers run slowly than on windows |
| 19:51.50 | jakub_ | why ? |
| 19:51.58 | bolt | \amethyst, abrotman: great, thanks :D |
| 19:52.06 | eject_ck | Hi, all can anybody recomend tool for CPU heating (I need test hardware temp sensor) |
| 19:52.20 | bolt | blowtorch |
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| 19:52.39 | bolt | seti@home? |
| 19:52.44 | \amethyst | eject_ck: perl -e '1 while 1' |
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| 19:52.52 | bolt | or that |
| 19:52.56 | \amethyst | eject_ck: that will only be single-threaded, though |
| 19:52.56 | xingu | eject_ck: rebuild gcc |
| 19:53.06 | xerophyte | I have installed sysstat when i try to restart the /etc/init.d/sysstat start nothing happen does anybody know what happening |
| 19:53.07 | fasta | In the standard Debian configuration for Apache2: where is the "Listen" directive? |
| 19:53.24 | abrotman | eject_ck: cpuburn |
| 19:53.25 | eject_ck | \amethyst, I have single core cpu |
| 19:53.34 | abrotman | eject_ck: warning .. i've killed a box with it |
| 19:53.37 | eject_ck | abrotman, what is is ? |
| 19:53.45 | fasta | never mind |
| 19:53.53 | xingu | abrotman: was it a dell notebook? :) |
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| 19:54.50 | \amethyst | eject_ck: apt-cache show cpuburn |
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| 19:55.12 | \amethyst | eject_ck: it's explicitly designed to make x86 CPUs run as hot as possible |
| 19:55.25 | abrotman | xingu: nah .. whitebox |
| 19:55.30 | abrotman | !info cpuburn etch |
| 19:55.34 | dpkg | cpuburn: (a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.4-23 (etch), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 19:56.12 | eject_ck | tnx, to all! |
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| 19:57.26 | eject_ck | can anybody give homepage of cpuburn project ? |
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| 19:58.47 | wols_ | eject_ck: download it check soe docs |
| 19:58.54 | wols_ | check freshmeat |
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| 19:59.30 | wols_ | http://pages.sbcglobal.net/redelm/ |
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| 19:59.58 | b3nj | hello |
| 20:01.03 | b3nj | what is the best way to configure multiple wireless/wep networks properly ? |
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| 20:02.18 | Amarande | ok, this was odd. |
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| 20:02.37 | Amarande | I had a power failure this morning, got around to rebooting the system just around now and ... |
| 20:02.55 | Amarande | GDM starts up, loads my usual login theme, and then I get "The greeter application seems to be crashing" and it loads another, default Debian one |
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| 20:03.12 | Amarande | also, fsck said something about clearing an orphaned inode when I was rebooting |
| 20:03.14 | Amarande | data loss? :| |
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| 20:04.09 | szymon_g | ekhm... did anyone had some problems with intels sound cards...? |
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| 20:08.06 | gnat_x | i need some help setting the server time with ntpdate from behind a firewall. i have my tzselect set right, and have a straight ntpdate package from aptitude. |
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| 20:08.21 | gnat_x | if i run sudo ntpdate i get: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 20:08.37 | gnat_x | if i do: sudo ntpdate -u us.pool.ntp.org |
| 20:08.51 | gnat_x | i get: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 20:09.00 | gnat_x | anyone have some advice? |
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| 20:10.48 | Amarande | gnat_x, http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome |
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| 20:11.57 | \amethyst | Amarande: us.pool.ntp.org should work |
| 20:13.29 | gnat_x | Amarande: i've tried a bunch of ntp servers |
| 20:13.29 | gnat_x | 0.debian.pool.ntp.org us.pool.ntp.org |
| 20:13.29 | gnat_x | 0.us.pool.ntp.org |
| 20:13.29 | gnat_x | all the same. |
| 20:13.30 | \amethyst | gnat_x: what if you do it without the -u ? |
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| 20:13.31 | \amethyst | gnat_x: sudo ntpdate us.pool.ntp.org |
| 20:13.35 | gnat_x | \amethyst: same. |
| 20:13.54 | gnat_x | no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 20:15.27 | wols_ | !ntp |
| 20:15.27 | dpkg | [ntp] the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 20:15.40 | wols_ | pool.ntp.org should be what you use |
| 20:16.01 | \amethyst | gnat_x: it does sound like a firewall problem |
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| 20:16.57 | \amethyst | gnat_x: what does ntpdate -q us.pool.ntp.org say? |
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| 20:18.22 | gnat_x | \amethyst: 12 lines like: server 216.93.242.10, stratum 0, offset 0.000000, delay 0.00000 |
| 20:18.33 | gnat_x | and no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 20:19.10 | lindenle | Anyone know how to make wildcards work in dnsmasq for host lookup? I want clk.host to resolv to host |
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| 20:22.51 | euthyrox_lover | hello |
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| 20:23.46 | Heston | what would cause a swap partition to not be activated during install? |
| 20:23.47 | dnanar | hi all ! |
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| 20:24.09 | dnanar | ive got a question about wine. should i ask it here or should i go to a specific channel please ? |
| 20:24.12 | euthyrox_lover | Heston some errors during installation. I had them onces |
| 20:24.13 | stew | Heston: is it listed in /etc/fstab? |
| 20:24.28 | euthyrox_lover | dnanar go #winehq or ask me |
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| 20:24.55 | th13fp45s | Hi, I need to know how LTSP generates the Xorg.conf |
| 20:25.13 | th13fp45s | because i think I found a bug in the generation of this file |
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| 20:25.16 | dnanar | euthyrox_lover: ok =) well do you know how to install .cab file with wine please ? |
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| 20:25.27 | th13fp45s | In some places a have a problem with keyboard repetition rate |
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| 20:25.41 | pickcoder | gnat_x: what does ntpq -p give? |
| 20:25.45 | Heston | stew, as far as i know, the swap works after the installation but complains about there not being a swap or activated swap during the install after the packages are downloaded and installed |
| 20:25.51 | stew | th13fp45s: try #ltsp |
| 20:25.52 | euthyrox_lover | dnanar .cab files? on what program do they work on windows? |
| 20:26.05 | th13fp45s | stew: i am tring |
| 20:26.16 | th13fp45s | but nobody talks |
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| 20:26.37 | stew | Heston: does "cat /proc/swaps" list your swap partition? |
| 20:26.54 | Heston | stew, just a second, im booting up the box |
| 20:27.18 | stew | Heston: you are booting into the installer? or to an installed system ? |
| 20:27.27 | Heston | installed syste m |
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| 20:28.19 | Heston | stew, it lists the swap partition |
| 20:28.37 | Heston | stew, is the priority supposed to be -1? |
| 20:28.39 | gnat_x | pickcoder: ntpq isn't installed. |
| 20:28.41 | stew | Heston: yes |
| 20:28.41 | euthyrox_lover | I also have question... how to make from .folder normal folder ? ;> |
| 20:29.08 | gnat_x | euthyrox_lover: mv .folder foler |
| 20:29.09 | Heston | mv .folder folder |
| 20:29.12 | gnat_x | err folder |
| 20:29.20 | euthyrox_lover | thanks |
| 20:29.26 | dnanar | euthyrox_lover: well, its in order to use vlc'activeX control in an apps =) |
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| 20:29.50 | euthyrox_lover | dnanar did you read wine_wiki ? |
| 20:29.54 | Heston | stew, ive done the install a few times now, each time i receive the error about the swap partition |
| 20:30.18 | stew | Heston: you get the error during the install? or after the install? |
| 20:30.22 | Heston | stew, when i try to "go back" or click do not continue without an active swap, it just continues the install as if it never happened |
| 20:30.37 | stew | Heston: which installer? the current stable installer? |
| 20:30.42 | Heston | stew, during the install, after it has downloaded the packages selected |
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| 20:30.52 | Heston | etch stable i386 |
| 20:31.17 | ivx | hey from terminal how can i see how much free space i have on my hard disk |
| 20:31.19 | illo | heston, IIRC swap setup occurs before downloading the base system. Maybe you mean downloading drivers |
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| 20:31.22 | stew | Heston: you might ask #debian-boot on irc.debian.org or file a bug against the "debian-installer" pseudo-package |
| 20:31.55 | stew | ivx: df |
| 20:32.27 | Heston | why cant i get a normal install like everyone else... |
| 20:32.48 | stew | Heston: is this a warning or does it actually prevent the installer from succeeding? |
| 20:33.11 | Heston | stew, it's a warning but it likely hints at a deeper problem |
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| 20:33.40 | stew | Heston: i doubt it, but #debian-boot is a better place to ask |
| 20:33.45 | ivx | is there a way to search for a file from teminal? |
| 20:33.51 | illo | Heston yesterday i had to install woody on an alpha with diskettes and pushing it around the room cause the network cable was short. You call that everybody else's normal install i guess? :) |
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| 20:33.54 | euthyrox_lover | gnat_x, the problem is, that I`am anable to use my wine folder only as root, how to change it? I want to use it as normal user |
| 20:34.02 | stew | ivx: "man find" |
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| 20:34.40 | A-L-A-R-M | hello, how can i check which xorg version i got on my system ? |
| 20:34.49 | abrotman | X -version |
| 20:35.16 | A-L-A-R-M | okie thanks |
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| 20:36.00 | A-L-A-R-M | by upgrading to a new xorg, does it also change my xorg.conf file ? |
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| 20:36.05 | Heston | stew....there are 4 people in ##debian-boot, including myself |
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| 20:36.32 | xand | why if I want to install lynx on etch does it want to remove gcc and linux headers? |
| 20:36.40 | illo | A-L-A-R-M, if you edited it it should be left alone, but back it up and live happy. |
| 20:36.41 | xand | using apt-get |
| 20:36.56 | A-L-A-R-M | i did allready. thanks a lot |
| 20:37.15 | stew | Heston: on irc.debian.org, not here |
| 20:37.40 | xand | erm, not etch, lenny |
| 20:38.06 | stew | xand: becuase you are getting a new libc6? |
| 20:38.14 | stew | xand: (and becuase you are using apt-get instead of aptitude) |
| 20:38.17 | xand | stew: so why not upgrade gcc? |
| 20:38.27 | stew | xand: i don't see any reason why not |
| 20:38.30 | Heston | i thought irc.debian.org forwarded to freenode |
| 20:38.38 | stew | xand: you can tell it to if that is how you want to handle it |
| 20:38.48 | stew | Heston: not for a while now /msg dpkg oftc move |
| 20:39.03 | xand | Heston: no, some silly people rebelled but it didn't make much difference ;) |
| 20:39.32 | xand | stew: I'm not using aptitude... it'll want to uninstall much more than gcc |
| 20:39.43 | qrck | ca 4 m lang |
| 20:39.45 | qrck | ups |
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| 20:40.45 | stew | xand: apt-get install lynx gcc |
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| 20:41.21 | xand | stew: it's damn rude of it to want to remove them! |
| 20:41.54 | stew | xand: its too dumb to know any better |
| 20:42.07 | stew | xand: (did we mention aptitude yet?) |
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| 20:42.25 | xand | 2007-06-12 21:39:32 < xand> stew: I'm not using aptitude... it'll want to uninstall much more than gcc |
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| 20:42.37 | xand | whenever I run that it wants to remove nearly everything I have |
| 20:42.46 | stew | xand: if it wants to uninstall more than gcc, tell it no, and it will suggest another alternative |
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| 20:43.32 | illo | xand BTW you can use aptitude from the command line instead of some apt-get and apt-cache commands: aptitude install pkg... aptitude purge... aptitude search.... |
| 20:43.41 | jordanb | Why does http-us.debian.org not resolve? |
| 20:43.49 | xand | illo: I know you can, how else would I use it? |
| 20:44.02 | illo | xand: type aptitude and you'll know |
| 20:44.34 | stew | and running the frontend the first time would probably be better for sorting out the dependencies |
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| 20:45.03 | illo | maybe it's something like http.us.debian.org jordanb |
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| 20:45.20 | gnat_x | euthyrox_lover: sudo chown euthyrox_lover.euthyrox_lover .folder |
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| 20:45.32 | gnat_x | euthyrox_lover: that assumes your username is euthyrox_lover |
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| 20:45.38 | jordanb | http-us.debian.org always worked before. |
| 20:45.40 | gnat_x | euthyrox_lover: and that you have sudo privs |
| 20:45.42 | jordanb | For years. |
| 20:45.47 | jordanb | Now it does not. |
| 20:46.01 | stew | jordanb: you are lucky then. its one of the more problematic mirror groups |
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| 20:46.18 | stew | (assuming he meant http.us not http-us) |
| 20:46.27 | illo | gnat_x, i was used to a colon separator for chowning user:group, i dunno how the debian way is |
| 20:46.37 | jordanb | I have had it in my sources list with the dash forever. |
| 20:46.51 | euthyrox_lover | well, the problem seems to be that I have folder in my ~ as root but not as euthyrox_lover, so, I gues I need only to copy that folder to my /home/destination |
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| 20:46.56 | gnat_x | illo: i don't know if that is the debian way, i do know that it works. |
| 20:47.37 | gnat_x | euthyrox_lover: no matter where it is, you should be able to chown it. |
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| 20:48.04 | gnat_x | euthyrox_lover: actually "chown -R euthyrox_lover.euthyrox_lover .folder" |
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| 20:48.26 | euthyrox_lover | gnat_x even if folder is in home folder of root ? |
| 20:48.28 | illo | gnat_x, man synopsis shows the colon, i guess the . is some unix heritage |
| 20:48.30 | stew | jordanb: http-us.debian.org doesn't exist |
| 20:48.58 | gnat_x | euthyrox_lover: yeah, i would probably move it to your home dir |
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| 20:49.13 | jordanb | http.us.debian.org is broken too. |
| 20:49.25 | stew | $ host http-us.debian.org -> Host http-us.debian.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 20:49.30 | stew | jordanb: what do you mean by broken? |
| 20:49.38 | jordanb | I get 404s. |
| 20:49.45 | stew | jordanb: for what file? |
| 20:49.46 | euthyrox_lover | gnat_x you telling mi linux is so genius ? ;) |
| 20:50.11 | jordanb | Err http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages |
| 20:50.22 | szymon_g | hi, could anyone tell me where (i.e. on which repository) can i find ntfs-3g ? apt-cache search doesn't give me an answer.. |
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| 20:50.35 | stew | jordanb: what do you have in your sources.list? |
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| 20:51.01 | wwallace | hello to all i have an ibm t60 laptop i have configured the sound card properly get sound ok ,but when i reboot , i have to do it all over again? any ideas what could this be? |
| 20:51.07 | \amethyst | szymon_g: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ntfs-3g&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 20:51.08 | stew | wwallace: in kanotix? |
| 20:51.14 | wwallace | no pclinuxos |
| 20:51.24 | jordanb | deb http://http.us.debian.org unstable main |
| 20:51.25 | szymon_g | wwallace : intel's soundcard? |
| 20:51.26 | Tchaka | hi |
| 20:51.28 | wwallace | yes |
| 20:51.34 | wwallace | intel HDA |
| 20:51.37 | stew | wwallace: as I've told you many times before, this is a debian support channel, you should be asking in a channel specific to your os |
| 20:51.39 | Ryushin | I have a little but now that icedove upgraded to 2.0. Links aren't opening up in iceweasel. I have /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser pointing to /usr/bin/iceweasel. Any ideas on what I'm missing? |
| 20:51.46 | wwallace | they dont know |
| 20:51.54 | stew | wwallace: try a mailing list then |
| 20:51.55 | szymon_g | i've get similar problem did you installed alsa-base alsa-firmware-something ? |
| 20:52.00 | stew | szymon_g: its not in etch, its in testing and unstable: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:52.04 | wwallace | so since you people are the sn]martest in irc i though i give it a shot :) |
| 20:52.20 | stew | wwallace: i've told you many times before not to do this. you are off-topic in this channel |
| 20:52.26 | wwallace | szymon_g: yes |
| 20:52.41 | wwallace | c'mon stew cut me a little slack |
| 20:53.02 | szymon_g | alsa-firmware-loaders |
| 20:53.08 | stew | wwallace: i did in the past, but you were a troublemaker in this channel, and now you are off-topic |
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| 20:53.14 | szymon_g | maybe you could add module to /etc/modules ? |
| 20:53.19 | wwallace | trouble maker? |
| 20:53.21 | stew | szymon_g: please take it elsewhere |
| 20:53.25 | wwallace | i think you mistaking me |
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| 20:53.36 | stew | no, i am not. please drop it |
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| 20:53.43 | wwallace | szymon_g: dont bother but thanks for trying |
| 20:53.50 | szymon_g | no problem :P |
| 20:53.58 | wwallace | stew then ill tell you what |
| 20:54.10 | jordanb | POS |
| 20:54.12 | wwallace | thanks |
| 20:54.13 | Heston | stew, if you're curious, it's appearently a known issue - http://bugs.debian.org/427104 |
| 20:54.14 | euthyrox_lover | gnat_x unfortunatly, it dosent create this folder in my /home/ ;/ no error pop up |
| 20:54.36 | jordanb | ftp.debian.org is broken too: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-sparc/Packages.gz |
| 20:54.43 | jordanb | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 20:55.04 | stew | jordanb: it should be http://http.us.debian.org/debian not http://http.us.debian.org/ |
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| 20:55.08 | stew | jordanb: same with ftp.us |
| 20:55.16 | jordanb | I'll try that. |
| 20:55.27 | stew | Heston: good, thanks for following up |
| 20:55.39 | jordanb | Ahh, thanks. |
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| 20:56.45 | alarm | hello, i just did some xorg update from the package manager, and after a restart i cant login again to X . i am under console right now. when i try to 'startx' i get the error (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) (EE) No devices detected . what can i check to fix that ? |
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| 20:56.54 | Amarande | I normally use debian.lcs.mit.edu, personally |
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| 20:57.35 | jordanb | God damn. |
| 20:57.36 | alarm | ohh also it says Fatal server error: no screens found. i got a back up of my xorg. should i replace it ? although i didnt do any changes on my xorg.conf |
| 20:57.40 | szymon_g | bye |
| 20:57.49 | jordanb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.21 | illo | alarm have you tried issuing a modprobe nvidia? i dunno about the binary modules crap |
| 20:58.29 | jordanb | same thing for libgtkhtml2_2.11.0.orig.tar.gz libgtkhtml2_2.11.0-3.diff.gz, etc. |
| 20:58.29 | alarm | hmm let me try |
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| 20:59.01 | alarm | ok, did it , tried to load the nvidia module but i get the same error |
| 20:59.06 | euthyrox_lover | alarm, try too use ctrl+alt+F1, and change your xorg.conf in device to mesa/vesa |
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| 20:59.47 | euthyrox_lover | alarm there should be "nvidia" I gues, so change it to "vesa" and reboot |
| 21:00.07 | alarm | after modbrobe nvidia , do i need to reboot ? |
| 21:00.25 | alarm | thats something i didnt do . i just did load the nvidia and tried to startx again |
| 21:00.26 | illo | alarm, i'd try startx instead |
| 21:00.38 | alarm | ok let me add vesa |
| 21:00.57 | stew | alarm: put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:01.16 | alarm | i cant , i am under console stew |
| 21:01.27 | stew | alarm: why can't you? |
| 21:01.31 | euthyrox_lover | alarm do what I said ;) |
| 21:01.34 | alarm | stew my xorg was working well just before i upgraded xorg |
| 21:01.39 | stew | alarm: /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
| 21:01.42 | alarm | give me a second with vesa driver in the xorg |
| 21:01.54 | stew | alarm: you can upload the file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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| 21:03.14 | alarm2 | hey . sorry for letting a clone, dont know how to stop the sessions. ok i logged on kde now |
| 21:03.19 | alarm2 | but i suppose i dont use my nvidia drivers |
| 21:03.40 | euthyrox_lover | alarm2 yes, but you can now find some howto, by www |
| 21:04.07 | euthyrox_lover | alarm2 try tu find close drivers on nvidia site and install them |
| 21:04.09 | alarm2 | okie, search for how to according what ? if u give me the first step i will try to go on |
| 21:04.12 | stew | he could have found some howto by www wihtout x, of course |
| 21:04.21 | alarm2 | but i had nvidia drivers installed till now |
| 21:04.25 | alarm2 | they are installed actually |
| 21:04.32 | stew | alarm: are you trying to use the nvidia non-free drivers? or the nv driver that comes with X or what? |
| 21:04.33 | alarm2 | i was using them 30 mins ago for the last 1 month :) |
| 21:04.37 | euthyrox_lover | alarm2 hm... what graphic card do you got ? |
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| 21:04.43 | alarm2 | mx440 nvidia |
| 21:05.14 | alarm2 | steve, when i installed them i used nvidia-glx |
| 21:05.20 | alarm2 | so i guess those are the non free |
| 21:06.03 | euthyrox_lover | alarm2 when you change xorg.conf what was between " " ? |
| 21:06.13 | euthyrox_lover | nvidia-glx? |
| 21:06.36 | alarm2 | "nvidia" as it should be |
| 21:06.59 | alarm2 | euthyrox_lover, the nvidia drivers were installed succesfully, i was seeing the logo , iwas getting normal frame rates on games |
| 21:07.08 | alarm2 | i was getting the rendering and all the proper glx info |
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| 21:07.53 | alarm2 | that error appeared after upgrading xorg |
| 21:08.12 | euthyrox_lover | hm... so it isnt drivers error |
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| 21:08.28 | alarm2 | nah, i was using them for several weeks |
| 21:09.33 | euthyrox_lover | I sugest to install Microsoft Windows Xp <just joking>, I dont have any Idea how to help you ;/ I thought it is some drivers change ;/ |
| 21:09.45 | alarm2 | wish i knew also |
| 21:09.50 | grendal_prime | anyone use a remote syslog setup? |
| 21:10.01 | alarm2 | euthyrox_lover, can u tell me please the errors that i wrote before ? so that i can google ? |
| 21:10.05 | alarm2 | cant remember them exactly |
| 21:10.30 | euthyrox_lover | alarm2 yes yes, wait |
| 21:10.32 | alarm2 | that with nvidia , and with monitor thing |
| 21:10.53 | qrck | !confuse Seb |
| 21:10.53 | dpkg | Yes, how is my hamster yesterday, Seb? pants of the monarchy of tahiti with extra anchovies |
| 21:11.00 | alarm2 | woow.. that refresh rate is killing my eyes... 60hz hehehe |
| 21:11.03 | euthyrox_lover | hello, i just did some xorg update from the package manager, and after a restart i cant login again to X . i am under console right now. when i try to 'startx' i get the error (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) (EE) No devices detected . what can i check to fix that ? |
| 21:11.06 | alarm2 | i'll be blind in a few mins :) |
| 21:11.09 | euthyrox_lover | ohh also it says Fatal server error: no screens found. i got a back up of my xorg. should i replace it ? although i didnt do any changes on my xorg.conf |
| 21:11.17 | alarm2 | ok, thank you a lot euthyrox_lover :) |
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| 21:11.41 | euthyrox_lover | np, tbh I would like to help you but "me lame" |
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| 21:12.11 | wols_ | euthyrox_lover: reinstall your nvidia drivers.if you can |
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| 21:12.24 | euthyrox_lover | wols_ thanks ;) |
| 21:12.41 | euthyrox_lover | alarm2 you heard the boss :) |
| 21:12.54 | wols_ | are you two running sid? |
| 21:13.06 | wols_ | or a 2.6.2x kernel? |
| 21:13.06 | alarm2 | wols_, easy to say , hope i remember how i installed them at that time ahaha |
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| 21:13.13 | alarm2 | i am runing 2.6.18 |
| 21:13.15 | alarm2 | testing |
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| 21:13.38 | wols_ | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:13.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 21:13.56 | grendal_prime | the instructions for this look simple, however it requests that you config a syslogd.conf i dont have that file.. |
| 21:14.10 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: look in /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 21:14.10 | alarm2 | yeah i remember also much more things that i've done |
| 21:14.15 | alarm2 | some things that had to do with the kernel also |
| 21:14.31 | wols_ | grendal_prime: you have /etc/syslog.conf |
| 21:14.37 | alarm2 | i installed them though through the package manager |
| 21:15.24 | grendal_prime | got that |
| 21:15.47 | grendal_prime | wols_: |
| 21:16.47 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: I don't see an example but the manpage says you can specify a host to log to |
| 21:17.13 | euthyrox_lover | Another Q: how to remove folder that isnt empty ? |
| 21:17.20 | alarm2 | wols_, do i need to do any proccess before installing them again ? the nvidia drivers are allready on my system actually |
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| 21:17.35 | wols_ | alarm2: no you don't |
| 21:17.39 | alarm2 | okie thanks |
| 21:17.46 | alarm2 | strange. also all the fonts have changed |
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| 21:22.07 | erpo | It seems like the partimage tool isn't getting updated or developed very regularly. Is there another project that provides similar partition/disk cloning features? |
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| 21:23.36 | grendal_prime | ok did that now...trying to figure this out...it says on the server i need to adjust this file |
| 21:23.47 | alarm2 | i i found 2 guides here of nvidia installation http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaHowTo , http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/nvidia.htm but dont know which one is better |
| 21:23.53 | alarm2 | or more correct |
| 21:24.03 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.39 | alarm2 | sorry, pasted wrong sites, the first one is wike.debian.org and the second http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 21:24.40 | grendal_prime | i do have a /etc/rc2.d/S10sysklogd but there is no SYSLOGD= in that file. |
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| 21:25.44 | wols_ | alarm2: they are the same guide basically |
| 21:26.24 | alarm2 | as the dirvers are allready installed on my system, are there some steps i have to leave out ? |
| 21:26.40 | alarm2 | for example the m-a -i prepare command |
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| 21:29.00 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: the how-to is old. you want to update SYSLOGD_OPTIONS |
| 21:29.20 | pickcoder | look in /etc/sysconfig/ first for syslog |
| 21:29.37 | pickcoder | that overrides the init script |
| 21:29.44 | pickcoder | so don't change the script |
| 21:30.03 | grendal_prime | thanks |
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| 21:33.10 | swissgirl24 | hi |
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| 21:33.57 | wols_ | alarm2: do it all again. it cannot hurt. since I dunno where X barfs, on which part |
| 21:34.15 | alarm2 | i did . i will restart now to see what i did :) |
| 21:34.24 | alarm2 | reinstalled everything |
| 21:34.36 | alarm2 | althougi i am afraid of the command apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-dev xserver-xorg |
| 21:34.47 | alarm2 | as the new xserver did the whole mess |
| 21:35.04 | alarm2 | ok let me reboot to see what we did . brb |
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| 21:37.52 | lindenle | anyone know a site with lots of banner ads |
| 21:38.00 | lindenle | I want to test my new dnsmasq config |
| 21:39.12 | branstrom_ | I recently updated samba, and now I can't reach my Linux box over the network from my Win workstation by it's name, only by IP |
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| 21:39.21 | branstrom_ | How should I proceed? :/ |
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| 21:39.38 | alarm | same error again . when rebooted i got on console. while trying to startx i get the error: Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist ,0) . No devices detected . Fatal server error: No screens found. |
| 21:39.47 | pickcoder | branstrom_: reboot your windoze box |
| 21:39.51 | alarm | thats after reinstalling nvidia drivers |
| 21:39.53 | wols_ | alarm: lsmod |
| 21:40.03 | sussudio | lindenle: http://www.bannerreport.com/ |
| 21:40.05 | Amarande | alarm, did you install the nvidia kernel module too? |
| 21:40.08 | wols_ | us bvudua loaded? |
| 21:40.15 | wols_ | is nvidia loaded? |
| 21:40.21 | alarm | let me check |
| 21:40.24 | Amarande | you need the nvidia kernel module too, not just nvidia-glx and xserver-xorg |
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| 21:40.32 | branstrom_ | pickcoder, well... sure, I would have to try that I guess. Sorry. |
| 21:40.34 | alarm | larm@rockpc:~$ lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 21:40.35 | alarm | nvidia 4549716 0 |
| 21:40.36 | alarm | yeap |
| 21:41.01 | alarm | Amarande, i did follow this guide http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaHowTo step by step |
| 21:41.24 | Amarande | you haven't also recently upgraded the kernel, have you? |
| 21:41.30 | pickcoder | branstrom_: windows is really picky about netbios stuff and I sometimes have to wait a while before a Samba restart even shows up in the net hood |
| 21:41.33 | alarm | also did replace it with my old working config file. no i had to add again device "vesa" to log in |
| 21:41.49 | branstrom_ | Yeah kay |
| 21:41.56 | alarm | Amarande, no. the kernel is the old one. 2.6.18 , i upgraded xorg |
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| 21:42.25 | wols_ | Amarande: paste your full xorg.log when running startx please |
| 21:42.46 | alarm | u mean me |
| 21:43.02 | wols_ | yes |
| 21:43.14 | alarm | ok give me a seccond to paste u my default xorg that i was using till now |
| 21:43.30 | alarm | http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3491 |
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| 21:44.03 | alarm | as i said. i was working with the nvidia drivers and this xorg that u see now over several weeks. the mess happened right after i upgraded xserver |
| 21:44.07 | wols_ | this is not what I asked |
| 21:44.12 | wols_ | I want your logs |
| 21:44.14 | Amarande | hmm, are 97.55 still the latest nvidia drivers? |
| 21:44.17 | alarm | ohh sorry |
| 21:44.18 | Amarande | I haven't seen anything newer yet in sid |
| 21:44.23 | alarm | read xorg.conf |
| 21:44.26 | wols_ | Amarande: ub devuab; yes |
| 21:44.32 | wols_ | in debian |
| 21:44.33 | Amarande | alarm: what version are your nvidia drivers? |
| 21:44.48 | alarm | Xorg.0.log is it this ? |
| 21:45.05 | Amarande | if they're the ancient one (87.76?) you should pull the 97.55 source deb from sid and backport it to whatever you use |
| 21:45.06 | alarm | those that the stable version for etch gives, let me check also |
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| 21:45.24 | alarm | sorry cant check. the drivers dont seem to work at the moment |
| 21:45.32 | Amarande | stable etch is 87.76 I think |
| 21:45.34 | Amarande | those suck. :) |
| 21:45.34 | CalJohn | why does debian default to turning services on and starting at boot? |
| 21:45.40 | alarm | Amarande, its not a drivers problem . they worked ok till now |
| 21:45.49 | Amarande | CalJohn, you installed services, so it assumes that you want to run them? |
| 21:45.58 | CalJohn | Amarande: before they are configured? |
| 21:46.02 | explody | I've always hated that assumption |
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| 21:46.17 | Amarande | explody, I don't know, why would I install software if I didn't want to use it :D |
| 21:46.31 | CalJohn | Amarande: because you'd rather configure it first? |
| 21:46.35 | explody | Amarande: do you ever do custom configuration on any service you install? |
| 21:46.43 | explody | heh yes that |
| 21:46.43 | alarm | !pastesite |
| 21:46.47 | alarm | !paste |
| 21:46.47 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 21:46.53 | wols_ | CalJohn: it is configured after debconf |
| 21:46.58 | explody | no it isn't |
| 21:47.02 | CalJohn | Amarande: I'm not criticising, I just realised this and wondered at the reasoning. |
| 21:47.09 | explody | it's _default_ configured after debconf |
| 21:47.15 | wols_ | explody: it has a reasonable default config, yes |
| 21:47.16 | nn_ | just use rcconf and su |
| 21:47.18 | explody | yeah it's a minor thing really |
| 21:47.32 | alarm | wols_, http://paste.debian.net/30347 |
| 21:47.50 | CalJohn | but doesn't debian ship with a slightly more open ssh config than default? |
| 21:48.02 | alarm | but thats when i loaded with vesa |
| 21:48.41 | alarm | ok wols_ give me a second, found also the old log file of the last log in |
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| 21:49.03 | alarm | wols_, http://paste.debian.net/30348 here is the old one . with the error |
| 21:49.07 | Amarande | ehh. I've never really used ssh for anything that really needs uber security |
| 21:49.11 | vyrus001 | how do i remove a broken lvm group? |
| 21:49.15 | Amarande | mostly I just use it so my password isn't transmitted in the clear :P |
| 21:49.43 | rahul | !rdp |
| 21:49.43 | dpkg | hmm... rdp is an acronym. ask me about remote desktop protocol or reliable datagram protocol |
| 21:49.45 | wols_ | alarm: your video chip is not supported by nvidia-glx. you need nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 21:49.59 | wols_ | alarm: apt-cache show nvidia-glx. you won#t see your GF4MX mentioned there |
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| 21:50.14 | alarm | legacy ? how come it worked with nvidia-glx till now ? |
| 21:50.34 | nn_ | wols_: that's the punishment for installing nvidia.o the debian way |
| 21:50.36 | rahul | wtf is with the Nyle shit? |
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| 21:51.21 | alarm | wols_, do i need to remove now the nvidia-glx and install the nvidia-glx-legacy and do the same procedure again ? |
| 21:51.48 | wols_ | kernel module could stay. only replace it with glx-legacy |
| 21:52.06 | alarm | do i need to remove nvidia-glx ? |
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| 21:52.48 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 21:53.18 | CalJohn | thanks for explaining, i understand the justification now, even if I don't agree |
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| 21:54.35 | lac | I have a problem with OpenOffice and my printer. My printer lives on a different machine on the same wireless network as my laptop. I believe I have it configured fine and I can print onto it using lpr or iceweasel. But OpenOffice oowriter cannot find the printer. Instead it find a printer I no longer own. I have tried the setting for changing printers, and the printer I want is not there. |
| 21:54.50 | lac | Anybody know what to read about how OO configures printers? |
| 21:55.21 | nvz | I think it would probably use xprint |
| 21:55.27 | alarm | strange ... wols_ are u sure about the legacy ? i see on my system just the nvidia-glx package that i installed |
| 21:55.35 | nvz | but then again I would think thats what iceweasel uses too |
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| 21:55.43 | StucKman | hi all. not really debian related, but good sysadmins lurk this channel. so, do you know of any online, linux friendly backup storage |
| 21:56.13 | rahul | StucKman: a good sysadmin |
| 21:56.15 | rahul | oh wait :P |
| 21:56.42 | erpo | StucKman: I've never used it, but rsync.net looks really attractive. |
| 21:57.32 | erpo | I especially like http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt |
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| 21:57.59 | StucKman | nvz: ewwww, can I have a slice of that? |
| 21:58.05 | agutierr | someone knows if its possible change keys combination to open a virtual console? thanks! |
| 21:58.28 | linux2 | anyone here know what package contains the postscript print driver |
| 21:58.30 | nvz | StucKman: with a name like StucKman I was thinking of just throwing it at you and seeing what happens |
| 21:58.33 | erpo | agutierr: You mean like ctrl-alt-F1? I think that's built into the kernel. |
| 21:58.41 | linux2 | i have an old printer here that support postscript and i want to just use that driver |
| 21:58.56 | grendal_prime | pickcoder: ya i never found that dir..i did find in the /etc/default/ a syslogd and it did have the syslogd= option in it |
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| 21:59.03 | grendal_prime | so im looking to see if that did it |
| 21:59.05 | nn_ | erpo: sure? for example ctrl-alt-del is not.. |
| 21:59.05 | agutierr | erpo, yes I have that keys mapped onto ubuntu... only work when gdm shows |
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| 21:59.17 | nvz | so when people say what happened to that booger you were rolling between your fingers? I can just say "StucKman" |
| 21:59.18 | nn_ | nn_: but i forget the file where it's configured anyway |
| 21:59.22 | StucKman | nvz: it would add just more glue, so I would be more stuck that before :) |
| 22:00.35 | erpo | nn_: No, I am not sure, but FWIW I knew about ctrl-alt-del not being in the kernel before I guessed that ctrl-alt-Fx was. |
| 22:00.36 | linux2 | anyone know |
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| 22:01.39 | StucKman | nvz: joke apart, I didn't get your joke (I don't know the relation between boogers and the word stuck) |
| 22:01.58 | rahul | boogers stick |
| 22:02.22 | illo | linux2 i dunno, a dependence of gv? try a search on packages.debian.org |
| 22:02.28 | qrck | abreadthman first search |
| 22:02.54 | rahul | a whole wheat bread man |
| 22:03.06 | qrck | lol |
| 22:03.25 | qrck | mr. rabbit |
| 22:03.35 | qrck | !confuse rahul |
| 22:03.36 | dpkg | Yes, who are our pineapple tomorrow, rahul? pants of the republic of swaziland with extra ham |
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| 22:03.54 | rahul | extra ham on abrotman? |
| 22:04.23 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 22:04.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 22:04.32 | rahul | !sing sussudio |
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| 22:06.24 | fsckedagain | how goes it, friendly folks? |
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| 22:08.03 | fsckedagain | any snmp gods/goddesses in the channel? |
| 22:09.07 | Ronin | fsckedagain: just ask your real question and be patient |
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| 22:09.51 | fsckedagain | Hmm, where to start. I cannot get my box to send traps to itself for testing sending of traps. It does send informs though. What should I check? |
| 22:10.00 | HOTMAN | hey room |
| 22:10.12 | fsckedagain | howdy |
| 22:10.18 | jelly-home | !room |
| 22:10.18 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 22:10.57 | bolt | the system clock on my intel mac mini jumps two hours ahead each boot. what could cause this? |
| 22:11.13 | fsckedagain | wrong timezone? |
| 22:11.46 | jelly-home | bolt: a mismatch between the hardware clock being in local time, and linux thinking it's in UTC |
| 22:11.47 | Ronin | bad cmos battery? |
| 22:12.01 | jelly-home | gone, without the wind. |
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| 22:12.19 | Ronin | why even bother |
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| 22:12.49 | fsckedagain | he probably should have checked to see if any of the potential solutions were actually it before leaving... |
| 22:14.08 | fsckedagain | hey I have a question I am just curious about. Can you turn of APCI devices from the CLI? like a faulty drive? |
| 22:14.25 | fsckedagain | I don't need to know how to do it, I am just curious |
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| 22:17.20 | bolt | hm.. nope. my timezone is Europe/Oslo, which is correct |
| 22:17.28 | bolt | 2 hours ahead of UTC |
| 22:17.38 | fsckedagain | did you bother to read the other 2 suggestions before "bolt"ing? |
| 22:17.53 | wols_ | bolt: you told your Linux that your BIOS clock is at UTC which it is not |
| 22:17.57 | wols_ | it is at CEST as well |
| 22:18.21 | omri | is it possible to update the packages only from one apt source without playing with sources.list? I want to update the packages from security.debian.org |
| 22:18.41 | wols_ | bolt: UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS |
| 22:18.52 | tarzeau | damn, that was missing in debian: http://rosegray.sakura.ne.jp/macopix/index-e.html |
| 22:18.53 | bolt | wols_: that's already in there |
| 22:19.25 | wols_ | bolt: hwclock --show |
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| 22:19.29 | tarzeau | is there anything already to make graphical report about /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 22:19.47 | wols_ | tarzeau: what kind of grpahic would you want? |
| 22:19.50 | HostilePenguin | the purpose of chroot? |
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| 22:19.54 | bolt | wols_: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 22:19.55 | tarzeau | wols_: lemon cake pie |
| 22:20.21 | tarzeau | wols_: no more like a timeline, and package installed, number of packages curve something like that, no idea |
| 22:20.27 | tarzeau | wols_: just something colorful :) |
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| 22:20.44 | fsckedagain | lemon cake pie? sounds odd, yet teasty |
| 22:20.50 | fsckedagain | err tasty, even |
| 22:20.53 | wols_ | bolt: debian kernel? |
| 22:21.08 | omri | is it just me, or is debian.org DNS servers down? |
| 22:21.27 | tarzeau | omri: answers my queries |
| 22:21.30 | pickcoder | tarzeau: is that like cake in a pie shell? |
| 22:21.39 | fsckedagain | thats what I am trying to figure out |
| 22:21.44 | tarzeau | omri: work like a champion here: host -la debian.org |
| 22:21.49 | omri | that's bizarre |
| 22:21.52 | fsckedagain | or is it a pie shaped like a cake in a really deep shell |
| 22:21.55 | tarzeau | pickcoder: more like pie chart. dunno about pie shell? |
| 22:21.58 | bolt | wols_: linux-image-2.6.20-1-686 |
| 22:22.35 | omri | tarzeau, what's the address of security.debian.org? |
| 22:22.47 | pickcoder | apt-get eat |
| 22:22.48 | tarzeau | omri: security.debian.org A 212.211.132.250 |
| 22:22.48 | tarzeau | security.debian.org A 212.211.132.32 |
| 22:22.49 | merlincorey | omri: did you ask host? |
| 22:22.59 | merlincorey | :-p |
| 22:23.18 | omri | merlincorey, I can't resolve any debian.org subdomains. nameservers seem to not respond |
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| 22:23.22 | omri | tarzeau, thanks |
| 22:23.31 | fsckedagain | if I have snmptrapd and snmpd running, should snmptrap -m hello send a trap to myself? |
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| 22:24.42 | grendal_prime | this does not seem to be working |
| 22:24.52 | grendal_prime | the only logs i get are from localhost |
| 22:25.03 | grendal_prime | and im assuming that is from this machine here |
| 22:25.04 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 22:25.11 | fsckedagain | hi Shawn rofl |
| 22:25.11 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: are you remote machines still logging locally? |
| 22:25.22 | pickcoder | ~your |
| 22:25.24 | apt | your is, like, the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 22:25.41 | fsckedagain | :D |
| 22:26.15 | grendal_prime | probably, but my understanding of this is that it should still do both |
| 22:26.37 | grendal_prime | fsckedagain: hehehe |
| 22:26.46 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: if you tell it to send all logs to another machine then why would it also write to an unspecified log file? |
| 22:26.54 | pickcoder | unless you tell it to |
| 22:26.59 | pickcoder | in the syslog.conf |
| 22:27.21 | grendal_prime | ya, there is alot of things going on in ths syslog.conf |
| 22:27.29 | pickcoder | pastebin it |
| 22:27.32 | illo | ~alot |
| 22:27.33 | apt | it has been said that alot is raping the English language |
| 22:27.43 | illo | just to participate :) |
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| 22:28.22 | fsckedagain | illo: rofl |
| 22:28.48 | fsckedagain | I have come to the conclusion that snmp sucks lol |
| 22:28.54 | illo | k back to where i belong, bed :) |
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| 22:29.05 | fsckedagain | there is no 'simple' about it |
| 22:29.18 | grendal_prime | ya thats what tim and i decided to |
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| 22:29.42 | fsckedagain | i think the main issue is it is jacked on this box. I should try to pl |
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| 22:32.23 | tnks_ | My MBR seems hosed. |
| 22:32.41 | tnks_ | I loaded a Debian installer CD and went to a shell. |
| 22:32.59 | fsckedagain | i hate snmp, truly, I do |
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| 22:33.30 | tnks_ | I thought the next step is to "mount /dev/hda2 /dir_i_created", but I get " Mounting /dev/hda2 on /dir_i_created failed: Invalid argument. |
| 22:33.46 | tnks_ | I don't remember having this problem in the past. |
| 22:33.54 | wols_ | tnks_: fdisk -l |
| 22:34.23 | tnks_ | wols_: do you want that output of that? |
| 22:34.39 | wols_ | U want you to look at it and interpret it |
| 22:36.03 | linux2 | parport0: FIFO is stuck |
| 22:36.03 | linux2 | parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio |
| 22:36.09 | linux2 | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 22:36.15 | linux2 | im trying to print via parallel port |
| 22:36.19 | tnks_ | wols_: it tells me /dev/hda2 is bootable starts at 260, ends at 5168, has so many blocks, and ID of 83, and is a "Linux" system. |
| 22:36.21 | linux2 | and it just keeps doing that and printing nonsense |
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| 22:36.34 | Alarm | ok, finally i managed to screw up my debian system. |
| 22:36.37 | tnks_ | how can that help me mount the drive? |
| 22:37.02 | wols_ | tnks_: you now know that the linux kernel recognizes as hda2 |
| 22:37.14 | wols_ | and apparently your partition table is nothosed |
| 22:37.58 | Alarm | is there any way to choose what packages i want to installed from a kde debian cd ? or to install just kde base ? cause a normall installation puts every little application that is not needed |
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| 22:38.27 | wols_ | !install kde |
| 22:38.27 | dpkg | i guess install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 22:38.39 | tnks_ | wols_: yeah... I was thinking this might have something to do with not knowing the parameterization of mount in busybox. |
| 22:38.51 | Alarm | wols_ i know that. i ask from a KDE debian cd whats the boot argument |
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| 22:39.02 | Alarm | as i am not asked during the installations about what packages to install |
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| 22:39.07 | Alarm | it installs everything |
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| 22:39.26 | wols_ | that's why you don't use that CD |
| 22:39.39 | wols_ | you use netinst and install stuff piecemeal after that. only what you want |
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| 22:40.05 | wols_ | and: doesn't there come a tasksel screen with "desktop" selected? desktop happening to be kde? |
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| 22:40.51 | Alarm | nop. |
| 22:40.51 | fsckedagain | lol |
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| 22:43.33 | fsckedagain | slap a stamp on my ass, I'm gonna go postal... |
| 22:45.09 | bolt | my crontab isn't working correctly... I set something to * 0 * * * and I see it happening every minute (it's midnight here). I set something to happen 40 0 * * * and it doesn't happen when the clock strikes 00:40. What could cause this? |
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| 22:47.32 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 22:49.26 | qrck | !dpkg harble the marble |
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| 22:52.43 | qrck | bah i've a loop break now i have to deal with |
| 22:52.45 | qrck | grrr |
| 22:52.49 | karsten | bolt: Is your crontab file being accepted? |
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| 22:52.51 | qrck | all dpkgs fault |
| 22:53.04 | qrck | failing with forks |
| 22:53.14 | bolt | karsten: yes. as I said, it works perfectly if I replace 40 (or any other minute) with a star |
| 22:53.18 | fsckedagain | i lok sporks better than forks |
| 22:53.22 | fsckedagain | lok == like |
| 22:53.31 | pickcoder | !spork |
| 22:53.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, spork is an amazing utensil, because it's totally useless as a fork, and totally useless as a spoon, yet everyone has used one before |
| 22:53.52 | Supaplex | what a useless factoid. |
| 22:53.56 | fsckedagain | taco bell has cool sporks |
| 22:54.00 | pickcoder | I disagree |
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| 22:54.40 | euthyrox_lover | gnite |
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| 22:55.35 | pickcoder | not about the uselessness of the factoid |
| 22:55.40 | pickcoder | about the factiod itself |
| 22:56.15 | karsten | bolt: Note that * 0 * * * _should_ happen once a minute, during the midnight hour. |
| 22:57.01 | karsten | bolt: The other one (40 0 * * *) sounds like an error, though you may have a bad crontab line. maybe post the whoe thing? |
| 22:57.07 | karsten | (that one line). |
| 22:57.25 | karsten | bolt: Note that '%' is special in crontab. |
| 22:57.50 | karsten | bolt: ... which usually f*cks people up when they're testing with 'date +%Y%m%d...' strings. |
| 22:57.55 | Alarm | with an mx440 nvidia i can install : Latest Version: 100.14.09 or i need: Latest Legacy GPU version (1.0-96xx series): 1.0-9639 ? |
| 22:58.05 | bolt | karsten: yes, and it does. my problem is that 55 0 * * * doesn't happen at 00:55. The line I'm testing with now is simply "* 0 * * * ls" which causes a "(bolt) CMD (ls)" in my syslog |
| 22:58.17 | bolt | karsten: and that's the only line in there |
| 22:58.53 | bolt | karsten: replace the first start with something that's a few minutes ahead, and nothing happens when the clock gets there |
| 22:58.55 | karsten | bolt: cron doesn't syslog output, it mails it, by default. |
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| 22:59.04 | bolt | s/star/start* |
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| 22:59.24 | karsten | bolt: Does system time and crontab $TZ correspond to what you think it shoul? |
| 22:59.27 | karsten | should |
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| 23:00.34 | bolt | karsten: the system time on this machine is a bit strange. it always boots up with a clock being 2 hours ahead, no matter if I select UTC time or not. However, ntpd corrects that about 5 minutes after a boot. |
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| 23:00.44 | bolt | karsten: what's crontab $TZ? |
| 23:01.04 | wols_ | Alarm: legacy. and: you we don't support nvidia.com installers |
| 23:01.10 | Supaplex | bts #427771 (wodim bug) bites me everytime (my report). What other version should I try now? or, what alternate package should I try to burn an iso? I loose about 44KiB on a 160mb image. |
| 23:01.13 | bolt | karsten: i'm guessing the timezone must be correct, given it triggers on * 0 * * *, which does mean it has the correct hiour |
| 23:01.24 | karsten | bolt: either system time, or TZ as previously defined in the crontab, or as defined to crond when it was invoked. |
| 23:01.32 | karsten | bolt: Point. |
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| 23:01.57 | pickcoder | bolt: how are you testing cron |
| 23:02.27 | karsten | bolt: My preferred test is to touch some file. |
| 23:02.35 | sander | HI. Anyone know the diffrence between AM and PM.. whos after midnight? |
| 23:02.46 | karsten | bolt: * 12 * * * touch /tmp/crontest |
| 23:02.53 | karsten | sander: GIYF |
| 23:03.19 | pickcoder | bolt: what I mean is, are you waiting until midnight every night to see if one change works? |
| 23:03.19 | sander | GIFY? |
| 23:03.24 | karsten | !giyf |
| 23:03.25 | dpkg | it has been said that giyf is Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux |
| 23:03.39 | sander | I've tried google |
| 23:03.39 | pickcoder | or, are you setting the time manually |
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| 23:04.18 | bolt | karsten: i've tried touch, mkdir, mpg321 /path/to/mp3 and a few others. they all work with * 1 * * * and don't do anything with 5 1 * * * (testing with hour 1 now, since it changed to that here) |
| 23:04.38 | bolt | pickcoder: I'm just changing a single line to trigger a few minutes ahead |
| 23:04.54 | karsten | sander: Try harder. |
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| 23:05.35 | pickcoder | bolt: my guess is it's the 2-hour adjustment that ntp is making after boot-up |
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| 23:05.57 | karsten | pickcoder: Good call. |
| 23:06.02 | karsten | bolt: Restart crond. |
| 23:06.16 | karsten | bolt: ... and check your hwclock. Does it correspond to system time? |
| 23:06.41 | bolt | karsten: |
| 23:06.44 | karsten | bolt: If your hwclock's out of whack, daemons started prior to system time being corrected may have wrong system time. Hrm. Maybe. |
| 23:07.01 | karsten | bolt: Hrm. Now I'm starting to doubt myself, but try it anyhow. |
| 23:07.16 | bolt | karsten: hwclock --show returns "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out" here. using stock kernel 2.6.20 on an intel mac mini |
| 23:07.22 | bolt | restarting crond |
| 23:07.34 | karsten | bolt: As root |
| 23:07.40 | karsten | (checking hwclock) |
| 23:07.45 | bolt | i am root |
| 23:09.08 | bolt | heh |
| 23:09.11 | bolt | that worked |
| 23:09.21 | bolt | the crontab works after restarting it |
| 23:09.30 | karsten | !win pickcoder |
| 23:09.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, pickcoder! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 23:09.30 | bolt | so the problem is my 2 hour jump then |
| 23:09.40 | pickcoder | bolt: hwclock --debug --show |
| 23:09.52 | pickcoder | if you get the same tick error, put it in a pastebin |
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| 23:10.13 | pickcoder | it could be a battery problem or your RTC is shot |
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| 23:10.19 | karsten | bolt: Yeah, that could do it. run "hwclock -u; hwclock --systohc" |
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| 23:10.59 | karsten | bolt: ... which would set your HW clock to UTC (erm: hwclock --utc) and synch it to the system clock. I'd run that daily just for shins'n'grits. |
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| 23:11.21 | bolt | karsten, pickcoder http://pastebin.ca/562917 |
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| 23:11.51 | karsten | bolt: ... should accommodate any clock drift. We've got a little situation here with 2500+ hosts set to localtime rather than UTC for hwclock, they're consistantly an hour or two off depending on DST. |
| 23:11.58 | Swordxl | Hey guys, what is max lvl of torus trooper? THanks. |
| 23:12.24 | karsten | bolt: Only curve is if you dual-boot Windows, which wants to set hwclock to localtime. |
| 23:12.39 | bolt | only linux on this. not even macos :) |
| 23:12.57 | karsten | Cool. |
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| 23:13.44 | bolt | karsten: i get exactly the same output from hwclock --utc, hwclock -u and hwclock --systohc: wait for clock tick timed out |
| 23:13.54 | quique- | hi |
| 23:13.57 | quique- | everybody |
| 23:13.59 | karsten | bolt: Sounds like a f*cked up hwclock. |
| 23:14.07 | karsten | quique-: They just stepped out to the pub. |
| 23:15.14 | bolt | karsten: could it be something special about the mac mini? |
| 23:15.20 | Swordxl | Hey guys, what is max lvl of torus trooper? THanks. ... |
| 23:15.33 | karsten | !tell Swordxl about repeat |
| 23:17.03 | pickcoder | bolt: try hwclock --show --debug --directisa |
| 23:17.33 | bolt | pickcoder: that got me a time |
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| 23:17.59 | bolt | pickcoder: Time read from Hardware Clock: 2007/06/13 01:17:17 |
| 23:18.14 | bolt | pickcoder: (which is correct for my timezone) |
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| 23:18.50 | pickcoder | what is your locale set to? |
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| 23:20.11 | tnks_ | okay, so I put the boot CD on a system that is fine. Something about mounting /dev/hda2 is just not working at all. I feel this is probably a very simple problem. |
| 23:20.36 | bolt | pickcoder: hm.. not entirely sure what you're asking (though i'm sure the question is perfectly clear). I have my timezone set to Europe/Oslo, and using en_US.ISO-8859-15... |
| 23:21.04 | tnks_ | I haven't had to recover an MBR in some time, but I really though the steps were 1) mount the drive 2) chroot to it 3) run install-grub. |
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| 23:21.16 | tnks_ | or something along those line (maybe typos). |
| 23:21.18 | quique- | I was trying the graphic install of debian and is very nice :P |
| 23:21.33 | pickcoder | something is screwy with hwclock, edit /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh and put --directisa in the HWCLOCKPARS variable |
| 23:21.39 | quique- | but i will continue with the normal installer :P |
| 23:21.43 | HostilePenguin | i got bind9 resolving for my pc's on the network i have know idea why or really what im doing but i guess i could be possibly be learning somthing |
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| 23:21.47 | pickcoder | before you do that, disable ntpd |
| 23:22.05 | pickcoder | see if the time is still off by 2 hours at boot-up |
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| 23:22.29 | bolt | pickcoder: HWCLOCKPARS=--directisa ? |
| 23:22.36 | bolt | pickcoder: or should there be a space in that? |
| 23:22.47 | pickcoder | this could be an ACPI problem |
| 23:24.23 | pickcoder | HWCLOCKPARS="--directisa" |
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| 23:25.16 | bolt | pickcoder: ok. modified hwclock.sh and disabled ntpd. rebooting. brb |
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| 23:26.46 | abrotman | bolt: but 'she was only 17' |
| 23:27.06 | bolt | abrotman: a leftover from my gothy childhood :) |
| 23:27.16 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:27.20 | bolt | pickcoder: no jump this time. checking once more to make sure. brb |
| 23:27.30 | bolt | abrotman: it's been there for 4 years |
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| 23:28.54 | bolt | pickcoder: still no jump. i think this works :D |
| 23:29.01 | bolt | pickcoder: testing crond |
| 23:29.22 | abrotman | do it again! |
| 23:30.03 | pickcoder | bolt: you may want to go some research on ACPI and hwclock. There may be a bug in hwclock or your rtc device is goofy and there's a bug in the kernel causing it. |
| 23:30.14 | pickcoder | s/go/go do |
| 23:31.38 | pickcoder | gotta run, bbl |
| 23:32.03 | karsten | bolt: lsmod may help as well. If you're not running a stock kernel, check for any build opts concerning RTC and/or clock. |
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| 23:34.32 | bolt | karsten: i'm running the stock 2.6.20 kernel. however, i know there are a bunch of driver issues for intel mac minis in these kernels still. on 2.6.18 my network card mysteriously disappeared (!!!) from the system after about 10 megs of data transfer. on 2.6.20 (current) the sound doesn't work until about 10 seconds after everything's loaded, and the network does go down every other day or so, for about 2 seconds, before proceeding. |
| 23:35.02 | karsten | bolt: Feature! |
| 23:35.27 | bolt | karsten: with the hwclock workaround, everything i need is working, so i guess i'll leave it at that and wait for future kernel releases. |
| 23:35.45 | abrotman | oh here's an idea .. buy from a company that values its customers :) |
| 23:35.56 | bolt | abrotman: got it for free :) |
| 23:36.04 | bolt | uh-oh |
| 23:36.05 | abrotman | !hire karsten |
| 23:36.50 | bolt | pickcoder, karsten: thanks for helping me with this :) |
| 23:37.04 | bolt | now to improve these lousy scripts of mine... |
| 23:37.05 | merlinco1ey | karsten: "right on" that's totally "deep" |
| 23:37.05 | karsten | bolt: My "pleasure" ;-) |
| 23:37.06 | abrotman | karsten: i think you "misplaced" your quotes |
| 23:37.30 | karsten | abrotman: You shouldn't "think", as you and I both "know". |
| 23:37.36 | Supaplex | !think |
| 23:37.36 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 23:37.56 | karsten | !know |
| 23:37.56 | dpkg | Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
| 23:38.10 | Supaplex | nice :) |
| 23:38.13 | bolt | !understand |
| 23:38.13 | dpkg | yes, bolt |
| 23:38.15 | bolt | ... |
| 23:38.33 | karsten | !yes |
| 23:38.34 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
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| 23:38.47 | krazykit | %no |
| 23:38.54 | abrotman | !gijoe karsten |
| 23:38.55 | dpkg | Now you know, karsten, and knowing is half the battle. Yo Joe! |
| 23:38.56 | krazykit | aww, badgers isn't here |
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| 23:39.13 | abrotman | aptitude: no |
| 23:39.13 | aptitude | No Offense |
| 23:39.16 | bolt | ..but does he _understand_ the battle? |
| 23:39.24 | abrotman | bolt: " .. not _ |
| 23:39.30 | merlincorey | bolt: yeah, he totally WROTE The Art of War |
| 23:39.33 | bolt | "right" |
| 23:40.00 | merlincorey | s/WROTE/"wrote"/ |
| 23:40.01 | merlincorey | ;) |
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| 23:40.33 | karsten | With my mighty "pen". |
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| 23:44.27 | karsten | Where does screen keep track of its sessions? |
| 23:44.34 | abrotman | in $HOME |
| 23:44.41 | karsten | /var/run/screen-S-$USER |
| 23:44.44 | karsten | !lose abrotman |
| 23:44.45 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 23:44.55 | karsten | abrotman: No. That's where RHEL keeps 'em. |
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| 23:44.55 | abrotman | no fun |
| 23:45.09 | abrotman | karsten: i thought that's what you were working on these days |
| 23:45.21 | karsten | abrotman: naturally, this creates problems in certain circumstances. Such as when you're using a shared NFS home... |
| 23:45.38 | abrotman | heh |
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| 23:45.57 | karsten | abrotman: .... and you log into different systems, and they check under $HOME, and find that the PID supposedly used by a screen session isn't used or used by screen + userid, so it asks if you want to wipe them.... |
| 23:49.34 | karsten | abrotman: Debian stores same under /var/run, which is system local state. |
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| 23:52.49 | chapium | ermmm why do i have a libsexy2 |
| 23:53.30 | Supaplex | debian's keeping you sexy? ;) |
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| 23:54.29 | HomeRoey | chapium: wouldja rather it be called libugly |
| 23:54.30 | HomeRoey | ? |
| 23:54.50 | chapium | it should be libamish |
| 23:54.55 | HomeRoey | chapium: it's a library for some program...I came across myself too a few weeks ago |
| 23:54.58 | chapium | or libletswaittillmarriage |
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| 23:55.09 | HomeRoey | :) |
| 23:55.15 | HomeRoey | Hydroxide: nice nick |
| 23:55.19 | Supaplex | ask the software developer why. *yawn* |
| 23:55.20 | karsten | chapium: libjustsayno |
| 23:55.25 | HomeRoey | there's a Hydrogenum on Freenode, too |
| 23:55.45 | HomeRoey | chapium: apt-cache search libsexy, gg:libsexy2 in konqueror, also wp:libsexy2 |
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| 23:59.10 | chapium | garr bug buddy... just file the report, i didnt volunteer for getting 20 questions |
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| 23:59.14 | Supaplex | ffs, I'll just install "some other os" to isolate the bug. |
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