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| 00:03.39 | pipegeek | Hi, folks. |
| 00:04.06 | pipegeek | Not sure if this is the right channel.... I'm trying to set up ethernet bridging between wlan0 (my wireless adapter) and eth0. I zero both interface's ip addresses, add the bridge, add both interfaces to the bridge, and run dhclient on the bridge. Which takes waaay too long, but eventually gets a real IP address. Only I can't ping anything on either network after doing all this. What am I missing? |
| 00:04.41 | mmlj4 | turned on IP forwarding? |
| 00:04.55 | pipegeek | How is that done? |
| 00:04.59 | pipegeek | with ip tables? |
| 00:05.04 | mmlj4 | oh, on either network? hmm, might be a routing issue |
| 00:05.08 | pipegeek | yeah |
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| 00:05.18 | Supaplex | pipegeek: bridging has specific caveats with wireless to wired. |
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| 00:05.31 | pipegeek | abrotman: nice |
| 00:05.44 | pipegeek | Supaplex: oh? |
| 00:05.48 | abrotman | pipegeek: that was supposed to have another / |
| 00:05.49 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:05.57 | Supaplex | and no, bridging and /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward are unrelated. bridging is layer 2, ip4 is layer 3. |
| 00:06.06 | pipegeek | thought so |
| 00:06.23 | pipegeek | Supaplex: so what am I missing? This all seems so odd to me; it feels like this ought to be quite straitforward |
| 00:06.25 | abrotman | pipegeek: google "bridge qemu debian" .. it explains it well |
| 00:06.32 | mmlj4 | hrm |
| 00:07.21 | pipegeek | abrotman: I'm not seeing anything in there that I didn't do already |
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| 00:07.43 | abrotman | pipegeek: paste your interfaces file somewhere |
| 00:08.20 | pipegeek | abrotman: where would I do that without annoying everyone? |
| 00:08.20 | abrotman | http://www.kidsquid.com/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/bridge |
| 00:08.22 | abrotman | i meant that one |
| 00:08.23 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:08.24 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:08.54 | pipegeek | hold on |
| 00:09.29 | pipegeek | Hold on, I might just fall off the internet. I'll be back |
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| 00:09.58 | abrotman | pipegeek: you will |
| 00:10.10 | Supaplex | pipegeek: we'll still be here. =) |
| 00:10.22 | pipegeek | abrotman, Supaplex: thanks :^) |
| 00:10.23 | Supaplex | !tell HomeRoey -about away |
| 00:10.28 | raxip | Hello |
| 00:10.31 | HomeRoey | thnks |
| 00:10.36 | abrotman | pipegeek: all fixed ? |
| 00:11.01 | HomeRoey | ok, so that's how I do it. |
| 00:11.04 | HomeRoey | !tell me -about away already |
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| 00:11.25 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:11.29 | Supaplex | HomeRoey: just /query dpkg |
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| 00:11.38 | stew | 43 pitches through 4 |
| 00:11.39 | HomeRoey | ok, I got it thanks |
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| 00:13.17 | abrotman | stew: ? |
| 00:13.24 | stew | wake |
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| 00:13.40 | abrotman | stew: ah ok |
| 00:13.40 | HomeRoey | Supaplex: that page doesn't cover how to do private away mesages! |
| 00:13.41 | HomeRoey | arg |
| 00:13.43 | HomeRoey | "it's a simple matter to set yourself away without public notifications and automatically inform people who /msg you that you're out" |
| 00:13.53 | HomeRoey | all well and good, but it doesn't show me how to do that in x-chat |
| 00:14.14 | stew | HomeRoey: ask #xchat |
| 00:14.18 | Supaplex | HomeRoey: irssi gets it right. that's all I know. :) |
| 00:14.20 | HomeRoey | ok |
| 00:14.23 | HomeRoey | thanks though :) |
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| 00:14.27 | HomeRoey | hey stew! |
| 00:14.31 | HomeRoey | alright, I'm gone |
| 00:14.31 | HomeRoey | ciao |
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| 00:36.01 | dererk | Does anyone remember any utility to boot from a floppy, to select the unit to boot from (for example, a cddrive) ? |
| 00:36.26 | Nemes | I'm using the three DVD images (I have included them in the fstab file to mount them at boot time) as a local repository, but I get the message "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security." Where could I find the DVDs key file? |
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| 00:36.35 | wfq | hi mates |
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| 00:37.41 | wfq | i am recompiling my kernel from 2.4.something to 2.6.20. I had already this kernel (the latter) in my lapto so i have done a .config copy and i have used make oldconfig. the question is i am getting a kernel panic |
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| 00:38.12 | wfq | the kernel panic says something is wrong with the ext3 module, something like a parameter is the correct one |
| 00:38.18 | Guerin | wfq: use a debian kernel |
| 00:38.36 | Greyscale_ | how do I make a .deb from source? |
| 00:38.40 | wfq | yes, but this is not e solution |
| 00:38.48 | Guerin | wfq: compiling kernels is for experts and you shouldn't attempt it unless you have a very good reason |
| 00:38.53 | Guerin | wfq: yes, it is a solution. |
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| 00:39.22 | wfq | guerin, i have compiled this kernel 100 times but that does not mean it works a the first time |
| 00:39.28 | Guerin | Greyscale_: use checkinstall, look for a debian/ dir in the source tree, or read the new maintainer's guide on debian.org |
| 00:40.11 | Guerin | wfq: exactly. If you knew what you were doing, it would. Use a debian kernel or seek help on a forum for kernel newbies. It's offtopic here unless there is some specific issue with debian which is preventing it from working |
| 00:40.55 | wfq | Guerin, thanks for your help, very kind to you. |
| 00:41.05 | conico | kernel is issue with debian |
| 00:41.11 | Guerin | wfq: you're most welcome. |
| 00:41.17 | Guerin | conico: which kernel? |
| 00:41.28 | conico | fruit kernel |
| 00:41.39 | Guerin | conico: i hear those are usually poisonous |
| 00:41.52 | wfq | please, has anyone had this problem with ext3 module |
| 00:42.05 | Guerin | wfq: it';s an id-10-T error |
| 00:42.07 | abrotman | wfq: you did something wrong :) |
| 00:42.42 | wfq | Guerin, there are a 10000 error but this is different |
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| 00:43.09 | Guerin | wfq: the id-10-T error is very difficult to track down and solve. It often takes years, and in some cases is permanent. |
| 00:43.38 | jazbo2186 | What is the proper way to learn about a python module? I download foo module but cant seem to find documentation... |
| 00:43.46 | wfq | i hope this will take less time :) |
| 00:44.08 | Guerin | jazbo2186: download from where? |
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| 00:45.44 | Amarande | what *is* an id-10-T error, anyway? |
| 00:45.48 | jazbo2186 | Guerin: aptitude install |
| 00:46.00 | Guerin | !helpfile foo |
| 00:46.00 | dpkg | For help with foo, look in /usr/share/doc/foo There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 00:46.04 | Guerin | jazbo2186: ↑ |
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| 00:46.08 | pipegeek | Hi again |
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| 00:46.10 | jazbo2186 | Guerin: nothin usefull there |
| 00:46.11 | Amarande | oh, now I see it. :) |
| 00:46.12 | pipegeek | I'm back |
| 00:46.13 | Amarande | lol |
| 00:46.17 | pipegeek | didn't work as well as I'd hoped |
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| 00:46.35 | pipegeek | Can't remember who I was talking to :^( |
| 00:46.37 | Guerin | jazbo2186: then it might be that there's no doc. Try #python |
| 00:46.38 | twobitsprite | how do I find out who maintains a give package? |
| 00:46.43 | twobitsprite | n/m |
| 00:46.46 | Guerin | twobitsprite: aptitude show packagename |
| 00:46.50 | twobitsprite | missed it in the show output |
| 00:46.53 | pipegeek | But, again, my problem was as follows: |
| 00:47.00 | twobitsprite | Guerin: thanks :) |
| 00:47.07 | jazbo2186 | Guerin: I need to be "identified" to get into #python, not sure what that means... |
| 00:47.20 | pipegeek | I'm trying to set up bridging from wlan0 to eth0, and failing. I run dhclient on the newly created interface, and it succeeds, but I can't ping anything on either network. |
| 00:47.24 | Guerin | jazbo2186: /msg nickserv help |
| 00:47.30 | twobitsprite | jazbo2186: means you need to register with nickserv |
| 00:47.35 | jazbo2186 | Guerin: thank you |
| 00:47.37 | Amarande | an id-10-T error ... that's like a P3B-K4C error, isn't it? |
| 00:47.38 | pipegeek | anybody try to do this before? |
| 00:47.43 | Guerin | pipegeek: bridging doesn't always work right on wireless devices |
| 00:47.44 | pipegeek | so it is |
| 00:47.51 | pipegeek | Guerin: So I've heard :^( |
| 00:48.03 | Guerin | Amarande: similar, but an id-10-T is much more serious |
| 00:48.14 | pipegeek | Guerin: alternatively, is it possible to bridge from a vpn (a TAP device)? |
| 00:48.18 | Guerin | pipegeek: what I'm trying to say is ... give up while you still have your sanity ;) |
| 00:48.27 | Guerin | pipegeek: i don't know about vpn, sorry |
| 00:48.40 | pipegeek | Guerin: see, my rommates are breathing down my neck, as I'm the only one with internet access |
| 00:49.12 | pipegeek | Guerin: the other alternative, I suppose, is to set up NATting, which I've never done before. Are there similar caveats with natting and wireless adaptors? |
| 00:49.16 | Guerin | pipegeek: why do you need a bridge? Routes and NAT will allow you to share internet via wireless. Aptitude install ipmasq; should do it automagically |
| 00:49.45 | Guerin | pipegeek: no, NAT works fine for wireless, and is almost no hassle at all (though has some limitations, unless you want to forward a shiteload of ports) |
| 00:49.52 | pipegeek | Guerin: Was only going to use a bridge because my two roommates are CS majors and are likely to be running services on their machines, and will have to bother me every time they need a port forwarded ;^) |
| 00:50.05 | pipegeek | Guerin: Right. See above |
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| 00:50.09 | jazbo2186 | Guerin: ah ha! help(object) in python is where to look. |
| 00:50.21 | pipegeek | Guerin: alright, many thanks |
| 00:50.39 | Guerin | pipegeek: assign each a range of, say, 100 ports and tell them to run all their services in those. |
| 00:50.49 | pipegeek | Guerin: good idea. Will do. |
| 00:50.51 | Guerin | jazbo2186: ah, nifty. |
| 00:51.01 | pipegeek | Guerin: many, many thanks ^_^ |
| 00:51.06 | Guerin | pipegeek: that way you can easily account for traffic and so on |
| 00:51.11 | pipegeek | Guerin: indeed |
| 00:51.14 | Guerin | presuming they're honest |
| 00:51.15 | pipegeek | Alright, gonna give that a shot |
| 00:51.57 | Guerin | pipegeek: instead of using ipmasq, you might want to use feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.txt a shot |
| 00:52.16 | Guerin | pipegeek: edit it to your needs, but that's a quite simple and unobtrusive firewall |
| 00:52.35 | pipegeek | Guerin: one more question: since I'm going to end up being a gateway between two networks, I'm going to have to become the dhcp. Is that particularly difficult (specifically, telling dhcpd to only work on one network) |
| 00:52.39 | Guerin | ipmasq is a bastard if you want to do anything more complex than plain NAT |
| 00:52.54 | pipegeek | Guerin: kay |
| 00:52.59 | Guerin | pipegeek: i don't know about dhcp, all my networks are 100% static. |
| 00:53.25 | Guerin | but I don't imagine it should be hard, that sounds like quite a typical dhcp application |
| 00:53.49 | merlincorey | Guerin! |
| 00:53.55 | merlincorey | I'm <here> this time |
| 00:53.57 | merlincorey | I <swear> |
| 00:54.39 | concept10 | im on a sarge shared host box that has a grsec patched kernel. How do I obtain the ip address? |
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| 00:58.00 | abrotman | /sbin/ipconfig -a |
| 00:58.02 | abrotman | maybe |
| 00:58.31 | conico | you cant |
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| 00:59.55 | Supaplex | GET http://www.whatismyip.com/ ? |
| 01:00.00 | Supaplex | hehe |
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| 01:00.31 | abrotman | cheater! |
| 01:00.35 | abrotman | conico: ? |
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| 01:00.54 | wfq | guerin, it is done. thaks god it didn't takes ages |
| 01:01.35 | conico | ozan@www:~$ /sbin/ifconfig Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (Permission denied). Limited output. you get like this? |
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| 01:06.04 | grew | failure |
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| 01:07.16 | int80_h | so I'm trying to set up ghci on a port. port 6666 in this case. I made an entry in /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf. when I telnet to 6666 it connects but I get no output. plus ps doesn't show ghci running. any ideas? |
| 01:09.06 | Supaplex | it's too evil! |
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| 01:09.25 | Supaplex | what happens if you run ghci directly? |
| 01:09.34 | int80_h | ah ghci runs fine directly. |
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| 01:09.47 | Supaplex | any syslog entries? |
| 01:09.52 | int80_h | lemme check |
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| 01:11.29 | int80_h | nothing in /var/log/message supaplex |
| 01:11.41 | Supaplex | what is ghci anyhow? |
| 01:11.55 | int80_h | it's an interpreter for haskell 98 |
| 01:12.03 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 01:12.13 | int80_h | and I'm using it as the basis for my mud engine. remote access would be a hug help. |
| 01:12.21 | int80_h | huge, too. |
| 01:12.32 | Supaplex | hug/big/etc. yeah. |
| 01:12.59 | {nathan}_ | Does anyone know of any apps that can read the meta data in MP3s and use that to rename said MP3? |
| 01:13.02 | int80_h | someone suggested using netcat but I don't see why I would need that |
| 01:13.21 | int80_h | maybe I do need to use netcat. but I don't see how to get netcat and ghci to interact |
| 01:13.29 | Supaplex | netcat doesn't add funky telnet encoding (unless you ask it to) |
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| 01:13.43 | Supaplex | nc host port |
| 01:13.56 | int80_h | right but then how do I tell it about ghci? |
| 01:13.58 | S4nD3r | hi there, I need some client to use torrents |
| 01:14.11 | Supaplex | !tell S4nD3r -about search |
| 01:14.14 | S4nD3r | that is possible to download more torrents files |
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| 01:14.51 | Supaplex | int80_h: well, it would be nearly identical to how telnet works. telnet has no more idea about ghci than netcat. |
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| 01:15.08 | {nathan}_ | S4nD3r: ktorrent is my favorite, but rtorrent is good for command line torrenting. |
| 01:15.25 | S4nD3r | Im using gnome |
| 01:15.33 | int80_h | hmm in that case I need this to be able to work with telnet |
| 01:15.43 | S4nD3r | gtorrent do not allow to download more one file |
| 01:15.58 | abrotman | transmission |
| 01:16.03 | int80_h | supaplex: would looking at my /etc/inetd.conf entry help at all? |
| 01:16.48 | Supaplex | int80_h: sure, put it on http://rafb.net/paste |
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| 01:18.20 | int80_h | URL: http://rafb.net/p/bPwMVW26.html |
| 01:18.23 | int80_h | there you go |
| 01:18.35 | blahdeblah | Hi. I'm using VMware server 1.0.3 on etch amd64, and i can't seem to get sound to work in VMs - it reports that it can't open the sound device. Any suggestions? |
| 01:19.29 | unlink | what's the point of having cron if anacron is installed? |
| 01:21.02 | blahdeblah | unlink: If you have a machine that is on most of the time, but might need catching up if it's off overnight every now & then, cron & anacron working together makes sense. |
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| 01:22.48 | Supaplex | int80_h: are you handy with shell? I don't see any issue with that, but at this point I'd write a wrapper to ghci from inetd to get an idea what's going on. |
| 01:23.28 | int80_h | supaplex, thanks . I'll go ahead and do that. :) |
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| 01:29.20 | unlink | blahdeblah: doesn't anacron take a superset of the roles of corn? |
| 01:30.15 | blahdeblah | Yes, but it only runs daily jobs, IIRC |
| 01:30.26 | blahdeblah | It runs once when your system starts, and that's it |
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| 01:30.39 | blahdeblah | It's for machines that reboot every day |
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| 01:38.34 | SlimG | Where to report lintian code bugs? |
| 01:39.14 | vyrus001 | anybody here use lvm? im looking for a way to remove a dead volume group |
| 01:39.37 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: What do you mean "dead volume group"? |
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| 01:40.17 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, i had a hd die on me... data was backed up so thats fine but i want to delete the old voulem group and make a new one |
| 01:40.23 | vyrus001 | thing is i cant... cus it "cant find" the old one |
| 01:40.26 | vyrus001 | know what i mean ? |
| 01:40.37 | blahdeblah | Not exactly - what error messages do you get? |
| 01:40.56 | vyrus001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.01 | vyrus001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.01 | vyrus001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.20 | blahdeblah | Ah - OK. |
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| 01:41.27 | blahdeblah | Does that come up on boot in the rc stuff? |
| 01:41.59 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, no... but i dont have my lvm set to mount on boot |
| 01:42.08 | blahdeblah | So when do you get that message? |
| 01:42.10 | abrotman | SlimG: what's wrong with the BTS ? |
| 01:42.23 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, anytime i use an lvm command... i.e. vgremove or lvremove |
| 01:42.25 | abrotman | vyrus001: it can't find your WinXP key ? |
| 01:42.26 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:42.27 | vyrus001 | wich is what im trying to do <_< |
| 01:42.42 | vyrus001 | abrotman, lol... wow fancy seeing u here :D |
| 01:42.42 | blahdeblah | abrotman: :-) |
| 01:42.50 | abrotman | vyrus001: as opposed to ? |
| 01:42.56 | vyrus001 | n/m |
| 01:43.05 | abrotman | vyrus001: have i seen you elsewhere ? |
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| 01:43.25 | vyrus001 | abrotman, perhas not... thought i saw u in 2600 |
| 01:43.43 | abrotman | as in .. ##2600 ? |
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| 01:44.06 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: So you have a new disk that you'd like to put in as LVM? |
| 01:44.08 | vyrus001 | abrotman, as in #2600 on irc.2600.net |
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| 01:44.19 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, no... id like to remove my old array totaly and make a new one |
| 01:44.20 | abrotman | ah . no |
| 01:44.29 | abrotman | not me anyways . .maybe another abromtan |
| 01:44.41 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: So you've got RAID as well? |
| 01:44.52 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, no |
| 01:44.53 | vyrus001 | lol |
| 01:45.00 | vyrus001 | i just wana get rid of the lvm array and make a new one |
| 01:45.02 | vyrus001 | thats all |
| 01:45.06 | blahdeblah | OK |
| 01:45.08 | vyrus001 | "start over" as it wer |
| 01:45.13 | blahdeblah | LVM is not an "array" perse |
| 01:45.18 | blahdeblah | or even "per se" |
| 01:45.20 | vyrus001 | ic |
| 01:45.24 | vyrus001 | ok bad choice of words sry |
| 01:45.28 | blahdeblah | Have you got the disk ready? |
| 01:45.35 | blahdeblah | The new one |
| 01:45.43 | vyrus001 | u keep saying new one |
| 01:45.49 | pipegeek | Guerin: |
| 01:45.53 | pipegeek | Guerin: THANK YOU. |
| 01:45.57 | vyrus001 | i wana get rid of the old setup, thats all |
| 01:46.06 | Guerin | pipegeek: UR WELCUM LOL |
| 01:46.09 | pipegeek | Guerin: We're all set up now, and I can finally tell my roommates to go piss off |
| 01:46.10 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: So you're not replacing the failed HD? |
| 01:46.15 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:46.17 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, at the moment... no |
| 01:46.21 | SlimG | abrotman: Can't seem to find the obvious place to report bugs on lintian that's not related to it's packaging |
| 01:46.21 | pipegeek | Guerin: Thanks a bunch. Night night |
| 01:46.24 | Guerin | pipegeek: make them buy you beer |
| 01:46.28 | bintut | hello all.. anyone knows how can i migrate my icedove profile and mails to evolution? i'm using debian etch here |
| 01:46.41 | blahdeblah | Do you have other volume groups present? |
| 01:46.47 | Guerin | bintut: eew, why would you use evilution voluntarily? |
| 01:46.50 | abrotman | SlimG: huh ? |
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| 01:46.56 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, no |
| 01:46.58 | vyrus001 | just 1 group |
| 01:47.01 | blahdeblah | Guerin: My thoughts exactly. :-) |
| 01:47.01 | vyrus001 | and its the mesed up one |
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| 01:47.12 | abrotman | SlimG: bugs.debian.org/lintian ? |
| 01:47.14 | blahdeblah | Guerin: But no need to impose our preferences on someone else |
| 01:47.23 | Guerin | blahdeblah: lies! |
| 01:47.37 | bintut | Guerin: i tried using icedove but sad to say, i'm not happy with it.. i don't know how to "tick" a mail with a highest priority, etc.. |
| 01:47.50 | abrotman | bintut: right click on it ? |
| 01:47.59 | blahdeblah | bintut: use the keys 1-0 on your keyboard and they change colours |
| 01:48.22 | abrotman | hope the wife doesn't mind |
| 01:48.30 | SlimG | abrotman: I thought only package-bugs were reported on bugs.debian.org, thanks |
| 01:48.36 | blahdeblah | bintut: i.e. click on the message, press 3, and it changes green |
| 01:48.40 | abrotman | SlimG: what's wrong with it again ? |
| 01:48.43 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: My simple answer is - don't run any LVM commands. If you don't have any VGs, what does it matter? |
| 01:48.52 | Guerin | abrotman: well ... since she uses a bird, she has no ground to complain |
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| 01:48.58 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:49.09 | yigal | does anyone know if a virtual terminal's resolution can be readily adjusted on the fly and if so how? I have vga=795 but I would like to go higher? |
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| 01:49.27 | Guerin | yigal: svgatextmode |
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| 01:49.41 | blahdeblah | bintut: There are also filters you can add using the drop-down above the message list |
| 01:49.54 | yigal | Guerin: ty very much - how did you pick this information up? |
| 01:50.10 | Guerin | yigal: lurking in hashdweebian teaches you lots |
| 01:50.23 | yigal | Guerin: :) |
| 01:50.31 | bintut | abrotman, blahdeblah and others: thanks. it's a label on icedove. thanks. :) |
| 01:50.35 | abrotman | he was a student .. lots of freetime :) |
| 01:50.41 | blahdeblah | bintut: icedove/Thunderbird has *lots* of useful functionality that's only a keystroke away |
| 01:51.04 | Guerin | abrotman: ironically, it was when I was a teacher that I had lots of time ... now that I'm a student again I have very little |
| 01:51.13 | SlimG | abrotman: It gives me this warning: can't find numbered character 248, I've come to the conclusion that this is because Lintian gets "confused" when the manpage has another encoding than the locale encoding |
| 01:51.15 | abrotman | Guerin: yeah .. teaching english is hard :) |
| 01:51.31 | abrotman | SlimG: right .. that's a bug to be filed against lintian AFAIK |
| 01:51.36 | Guerin | abrotman: it's only hard if you expect results. |
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| 01:51.41 | blahdeblah | bintut: Evolution & Outlook might be "pretty" (depending on your definition), but id/tb will repay you with increased productivity in the long term if you persist. |
| 01:51.45 | abrotman | SlimG: if it's not .. the lintian maintainer will reassign |
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| 01:52.12 | abrotman | Guerin: i certainly didn't .. i know you're a slacker :) |
| 01:52.27 | abrotman | Guerin: you're such a slacker .. you cut your world tour short! |
| 01:52.31 | bintut | blahdeblah: ok |
| 01:52.33 | blahdeblah | bintut: Guerin's choice of mutt is the right one if you like 80s-style email. :-) |
| 01:52.43 | Guerin | abrotman: hey, that was gravity's fault |
| 01:52.51 | Guerin | damn those immutable laws of physics |
| 01:53.01 | bintut | blahdeblah: thanks.. |
| 01:53.05 | abrotman | Guerin: guess you should have toured the moon :) |
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| 01:53.21 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah, no way I could fall off anything there |
| 01:53.41 | SlimG | abrotman: ok, thanks for your guidance |
| 01:53.49 | abrotman | hehe .. i guided someone |
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| 01:54.34 | Guerin | so ... while you see me typing, it means my undervolting experiments are working |
| 01:54.46 | Guerin | when I mysteriously stop for a while, it means they're not |
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| 01:55.34 | Guerin | i only have one frequency left to test, then I'll write a for loop which involves building 6 kernels in a row |
| 01:56.09 | abrotman | and you'll be able to play chopsticks |
| 01:56.44 | Guerin | nope |
| 01:56.51 | Guerin | still won't be able to do that |
| 01:56.54 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, i wana remove my current lvm steup and make a new one with the same drives |
| 01:57.07 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, is it an advanced proesses or somthing? |
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| 01:57.14 | vyrus001 | i just wana remove an lvm group thats broken |
| 01:57.14 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: not necessarily |
| 01:57.14 | vyrus001 | thats all |
| 01:57.40 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, i didnt think so... it just seems like u still are confused as to what im trying to do... i thought it was real simple :D |
| 01:57.43 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: Now you're telling me two different things - do you want to just remove the VG, or do you want to make a new one? |
| 01:57.43 | abrotman | Guerin: it's quite easy! |
| 01:57.56 | Guerin | abrotman: so they tell me |
| 01:57.57 | yigal | Guerin: I ran "#SVGATextMode and it destroyed my VT - so I have to do some major tweaking to get it to work well I image? |
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| 01:58.10 | abrotman | Guerin: don't you or the mrs play any instruments ? |
| 01:58.15 | Guerin | yigal: i've never actually used it ;) |
| 01:58.22 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, well i intend on makeing a new one... but i know how to do that... i dont need to preserve any data... just get rid of the old one and make a new one |
| 01:58.27 | yigal | Guerin: thanks :) |
| 01:58.28 | Guerin | abrotman: i gave up on the violin ages 8 |
| 01:58.32 | Guerin | aged, too |
| 01:58.54 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: I would just try a pvcreate on the physical drive/partition then |
| 01:58.55 | yigal | Guerin: I started playing at age 16 and like to fiddle with the fiddle now and again :) |
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| 01:59.32 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, but then my old broken one is still there |
| 01:59.36 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, is there no way to remove it ?! |
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| 02:00.04 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: Is there anything in /etc/lvmtab? |
| 02:00.35 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, i dont have an /etc/lvmtab |
| 02:00.47 | blahdeblah | OK - what about /etc/lvm |
| 02:00.51 | blahdeblah | It's a dir |
| 02:00.55 | blahdeblah | what's in it? |
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| 02:02.27 | DrMitch | anyone know why i would not be getting any sound from my tv tuner card for only some channels? |
| 02:02.41 | DrMitch | someone in #mythtv-users told me it's cause they're 32khz channels, but i have no clue |
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| 02:03.03 | xjkx | i know vnc to remote access, but what to remote monitore? |
| 02:03.10 | Supaplex | DrMitch: big brother censorship ;) |
| 02:03.26 | blahdeblah | xjkx: What sort of monitoring do you want to do? |
| 02:04.38 | hatter | i am just now looking at munin for server monitoring |
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| 02:05.39 | blahdeblah | xjkx: Something like munin (as hatter mentioned), nagios, opennms, or zenoss will give you lots of monitoring options. |
| 02:05.58 | blahdeblah | xjkx: For simple stuff, MRTG or cacti might suit you |
| 02:06.00 | Supaplex | DrMitch: have you tried different applications? |
| 02:06.07 | DrMitch | myth and tvtime |
| 02:06.21 | Supaplex | xjkx: there's zabbix to |
| 02:07.03 | Supaplex | DrMitch: is it an issue of software supporting the driver api, or is the the driver supporting the hardware/codec/etc? |
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| 02:08.15 | DrMitch | here's what I just heard you say: zoikfjejoiwjermlngaiojtweioj ajgoiwero |
| 02:08.46 | Guerin | i think i got an email from that guy |
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| 02:10.09 | Supaplex | DrMitch: was I too confusing? |
| 02:10.21 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, no tabs |
| 02:10.33 | DrMitch | you saying it is a driver bug? |
| 02:10.35 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, just archive backup cache lvm.conf |
| 02:10.41 | vyrus001 | thats in /etc/lvm |
| 02:12.35 | Supaplex | DrMitch: maybe the driver doesn't fully support the hardware. maybe the codec doesn't understand the audio, or maybe mythtv etc doesn't know. codec: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codec - There are a few different layers at play here. And if it's a debian package, check http://bugs.debian.org/ to see if anyone else has said the same thing. |
| 02:13.13 | Supaplex | DrMitch: maybe it all works fine, but it isn't setup correctly. |
| 02:13.20 | Supaplex | 1 |
| 02:13.32 | Supaplex | meh. kvm glitch. |
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| 02:16.05 | k-man | my sources.list points to testing rather than "etch", now that etch is "stable" do I need to do any special upgrades to be running the new testing? |
| 02:16.06 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: If you don't have anything important in lvm anymore, you can probably just mv /etc/lvm /etc/lvm.old and start again. |
| 02:16.18 | k-man | or should I just point all testing references to be etch at stick with etch? |
| 02:16.21 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, ic... ill try that |
| 02:16.27 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, just mv the dir then reboot perhaps ? |
| 02:16.49 | k-man | oh, never mind, i just saw the topic |
| 02:16.50 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: Try it without a reboot first |
| 02:16.58 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, ok |
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| 02:17.10 | blahdeblah | k-man: Yeah - just put "etch" where you previously had testing. |
| 02:17.35 | k-man | blahdeblah, so its safer to stick with etch for now? |
| 02:17.45 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, same problem... it still finds the vg to remove... and i still cant remove it cus its broken |
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| 02:18.44 | blahdeblah | k-man: Depends what you want to do, but etch works pretty well for me on my main workstation and several servers |
| 02:19.06 | unlink | why doesn't NetworkManager see my wireless (when iwconfig does)? |
| 02:19.58 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: try "vgexport -v data" |
| 02:20.22 | k-man | blahdeblah, hmmm... well, i was running etch for ages with no problem |
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| 02:20.40 | k-man | i just want stability and recent packages and mythtv |
| 02:21.24 | somian[0] | Stability AND recent packages are mutually contradictory |
| 02:22.14 | abrotman | low estimate |
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| 02:22.27 | Ronin | somian[0]: most cant grasp that ubuntu doesnt = debian |
| 02:22.28 | Guerin | yeah, at least 5% understand |
| 02:22.39 | somian[0] | Ok ;) |
| 02:22.41 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, bunch of the same errs |
| 02:22.47 | somian[0] | I haven't been around that long ;) |
| 02:22.54 | blahdeblah | k-man: Here's what i use to get stability and *some* recent packages http://rafb.net/p/yxbw8S84.html, but somian[0] is right... |
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| 02:23.13 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: If you run it again does it give the same errors? |
| 02:23.24 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, yes |
| 02:23.34 | blahdeblah | Hmmm. Try a reboot now that you've moved /etc/lvm aside |
| 02:23.42 | stew | !meaning of stable |
| 02:23.42 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
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| 02:23.47 | k-man | blahdeblah, thanks |
| 02:24.17 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: can you "vgchange -a n data"? |
| 02:24.20 | ghostkernel | do you guys think Debian Sarge will run good in a 200MHZ,128mb Ram,pc using fluxbox? |
| 02:24.34 | Guerin | ghostkernel: run etch. It'll be fine. |
| 02:24.35 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, same errs... and ive rebooted |
| 02:24.38 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, same prob |
| 02:24.46 | stew | ghostkernel: yes, but i don't know why you would choose sarge over etch |
| 02:24.47 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: What's in /etc/lvm now? |
| 02:24.58 | ghostkernel | jajaja |
| 02:25.02 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, cache |
| 02:25.11 | blahdeblah | ghostkernel: I don't think *anything* runs well on a 200 MHz machine. :-) |
| 02:25.20 | grew | dos 5 does |
| 02:25.30 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: Stick your cache's contents in the pastebin |
| 02:25.38 | blahdeblah | grew: dos 5 doesn't run well on anything! ;-) |
| 02:25.40 | ghostkernel | blahdeblah,its an old pc i found in the trash,i think i can find a use for it |
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| 02:25.46 | abrotman | blahdeblah: i've got a mailing list box running on a P150 |
| 02:25.49 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, there is nothing there... the folder is empty |
| 02:25.59 | foug | hi, i'm confused as to how I get debian. I'm trying to full image files, but there are 3 .iso's? why is debian so big? |
| 02:26.03 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: I thought you said there was a cache file? |
| 02:26.17 | ghostkernel | foug try downloading the net installation |
| 02:26.19 | abrotman | !d-i foug |
| 02:26.19 | dpkg | foug, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:26.21 | grew | foug: because it has a lot of crap |
| 02:26.24 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, there was a cache folder... but now tha ti look in it there is a hidden file caled .cache |
| 02:26.24 | blahdeblah | foug: You don't need it all - just grab the first one and drag down the rest from the 'Net when you need them. |
| 02:26.37 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: Yep - put it in the pastebin |
| 02:26.46 | abrotman | grew: crap ? |
| 02:26.49 | blahdeblah | abrotman: My condolences. :-) |
| 02:26.56 | abrotman | blahdeblah: why? it runs fine |
| 02:26.58 | foug | i still don't get it, what could possible make it be 3 .iso? ubuntu was only 1, and it came with a lot of stuff |
| 02:27.04 | grew | abrotman: i meant the term generically, not negatively :) |
| 02:27.04 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 02:27.10 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18601 packages, 1728 maintainers, 41697 MB installed size, 13733 MB compressed size. |
| 02:27.12 | blahdeblah | foug: Because Debian has more stuff |
| 02:27.17 | foug | like what? |
| 02:27.20 | grew | with 24k packages i bet theres a lot of crp :) |
| 02:27.29 | blahdeblah | foug: It doesn't matter - you don't need it all. :-) |
| 02:27.30 | foug | i want less stuff, ubuntu is too "noob" friendly and came with a lot of crap i didn't want |
| 02:27.31 | grew | !dstats sid |
| 02:27.37 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 21101 packages, 1846 maintainers, 49274 MB installed size, 16608 MB compressed size. |
| 02:27.52 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, http://pastebin.ca/563303 |
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| 02:27.57 | blahdeblah | abrotman: Until you have one hardware problem and have to upgrade the whole box when you can't get parts for it... ;-) |
| 02:28.09 | foug | i know i don't need it all, but i don't want it all. I was hoping that debian would be almost bare bones, just the OS itself and gnome and whatever else i need (nvidia, sound drivers etc) then i install the rest |
| 02:28.26 | abrotman | blahdeblah: if it's still running .. it's going to keep running i'd imagine :) |
| 02:28.27 | Guerin | foug: it is |
| 02:28.45 | ghostkernel | i think ive found the right distro for me,(DEbian) ive used slackware for 3 years,and installing dependecies one bye one gets annoying,then i tried,mandrake,redhat,ubuntu,arch and none satisfied me |
| 02:28.46 | foug | ahh i see....lol, it's still weird to me ;o |
| 02:28.53 | Guerin | foug: just use cd1 and install what you need |
| 02:28.58 | ghostkernel | im so happy with debian i feel like smiling and drinking a beer |
| 02:29.10 | grew | mm beer |
| 02:29.10 | Guerin | ghostkernel: that's what we do all the time! |
| 02:29.11 | grew | good idea |
| 02:29.22 | foug | Guerin: hmmm, k, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ just get it from there? the netinst? |
| 02:29.41 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: Did you move the whole LVM directory? |
| 02:29.43 | Guerin | foug: yep, the netinst is fine if you have good interwebs |
| 02:29.52 | blahdeblah | abrotman: If you say so... :-) |
| 02:29.53 | merlincorey | Guerin! |
| 02:29.56 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, yes |
| 02:30.00 | foug | Guerin: what's the difference between the netinst and the full CD/DVD? |
| 02:30.06 | Guerin | merlincorey: herro sah |
| 02:30.16 | blahdeblah | foug: netinst is a minimal install |
| 02:30.23 | ghostkernel | foug,in the net install,you install only the necessary file to run debian |
| 02:30.28 | Guerin | foug: the netinst has enough to get a minimal system up, and does the rest over the interwebs |
| 02:30.32 | foug | blahdeblah: is there a list of what it comes with? |
| 02:30.37 | ghostkernel | you will have to download additional files over the internet |
| 02:30.40 | merlincorey | Guerin: how's it going? :) |
| 02:30.45 | foug | Guerin: ahh i see, is it easy? i've only been using ubuntu for about a month |
| 02:30.48 | blahdeblah | foug: Dunno |
| 02:30.54 | Guerin | foug: yes, it's very easy |
| 02:31.01 | blahdeblah | foug: The netinst default installer is not graphical |
| 02:31.02 | ghostkernel | yeah it is |
| 02:31.03 | Guerin | foug: in principle |
| 02:31.04 | foug | Guerin: i don't want to have to set up my videocard, soundcard keyboard omuse etc manually ya know |
| 02:31.07 | ghostkernel | do you have dsl? |
| 02:31.14 | Guerin | foug: it should all Just Work |
| 02:31.24 | blahdeblah | foug: As long as it's not too new |
| 02:31.25 | Guerin | foug: but I can't speak for what random hardware you might have |
| 02:31.26 | foug | blahdeblah: o it's not? i have no idea how to install linux unless it's clicking "next" and selecting options to chose from |
| 02:31.29 | ghostkernel | foug it should recognize your drives,the kernel is not that old |
| 02:31.36 | ghostkernel | drivers** |
| 02:31.40 | Guerin | merlincorey: i have a migraine and am trying to avoid doing research |
| 02:31.43 | blahdeblah | Don't expect an Intel G965-based board to work well on etch |
| 02:31.46 | Guerin | merlincorey: what's news in SoCal? |
| 02:31.47 | foug | Guerin: ghostkernel: well ubuntu installed just find, didn't have any hardware problems |
| 02:31.55 | Guerin | foug: give it a crack, then |
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| 02:32.11 | foug | Guerin: k, should i get the full CD then? since it's a gui installation? |
| 02:32.20 | ghostkernel | well ubuntu is based on debian,if u didnt have problems with ubuntu you are most than likely not to with debian |
| 02:32.26 | blahdeblah | foug: Have you considered using the Ubuntu alternate CD? |
| 02:32.31 | Guerin | foug: the gui is practically identical to the text one, choose what you like |
| 02:32.35 | foug | yea that's why i'm gonna get debian |
| 02:32.47 | foug | Guerin: hmm, ok |
| 02:33.02 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: You've got me beat - i've never had an LVM problem that bad. It all just works for me. :-) |
| 02:33.13 | merlincorey | Guerin: well, down here visiting my mom and vyrus001 and my librarian I hooked up with |
| 02:33.15 | blahdeblah | vyrus001: Did you try "pvcreate /dev/hdXY"? |
| 02:33.15 | foug | what all software comes on the CD version of the installer? bunch of crap like openoffice etc? |
| 02:33.20 | ghostkernel | foug i recommend u download the net install,that way you install what you want |
| 02:33.32 | foug | ghostkernel: k, is that what you did? |
| 02:33.36 | vyrus001 | blahdeblah, yea.. i can make new groups... i just didnt wana leave the dead one there... |
| 02:33.37 | vyrus001 | oh well |
| 02:33.48 | merlincorey | blahdeblah: that's how I felt, he was like, "You use LVM right?" I was like, "Yeah!" |
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| 02:33.50 | ghostkernel | yeah |
| 02:33.54 | Guerin | for freq in 600000 800000 1000000 1200000 1400000 1500000; do cpufreq-set -f $freq; make clean && make && echo "$freq worked" >> diditwork; done # this is my undervolting test script |
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| 02:34.05 | Guerin | i've seen some which are about 10k shell scripts |
| 02:34.07 | merlincorey | blahdeblah: then it came out that his was really broken and mine just works so I have no fucking idea :P |
| 02:34.11 | foug | k cool thanks guys, off topic question. Has anyone tried running Fable or Resident Evil 4 on their linux box? |
| 02:34.13 | ghostkernel | why dont you try gentoo,you choose what you want |
| 02:34.18 | Guerin | that do more or less exactly the same job |
| 02:34.20 | ghostkernel | noooo,forget it |
| 02:34.23 | ghostkernel | are u new to linux? |
| 02:34.35 | foug | me? |
| 02:34.37 | ghostkernel | yep |
| 02:34.39 | foug | kind of |
| 02:34.43 | ghostkernel | nevermind |
| 02:34.48 | foug | i was thinking of getting gentoo but it's package management sounds lame |
| 02:34.50 | ghostkernel | stick with debian or ubuntu |
| 02:34.52 | foug | i erally lke eptitude |
| 02:35.06 | Guerin | gentoo is a bizastard to run |
| 02:35.12 | foug | well, gentoo has an easy install now too, it's not as complicated as it use to be i hear |
| 02:35.13 | merlincorey | foug: you prefer policy |
| 02:35.18 | foug | what? |
| 02:35.33 | merlincorey | foug: apt(itude) et al are merely agents of policy |
| 02:35.36 | Guerin | it's good if you like to make work for yourself |
| 02:35.37 | foug | ooo |
| 02:36.04 | foug | Guerin: ahh lol, i've been using linux for only a month or 2, but i've known gentoo/debian users for about 5-6 years, so i'm not totally new to the concept |
| 02:36.14 | blahdeblah | merlincorey: Exactly ;-) |
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| 02:36.26 | ghostkernel | foug:then why dont you tell your friends to help you |
| 02:36.37 | ghostkernel | that way its much easier with a little help from your friends |
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| 02:36.43 | foug | they aren't always online, hehe |
| 02:37.03 | ghostkernel | oh,friend on the internet |
| 02:37.08 | blahdeblah | foug: I think you'll find a netinstall and then selecting your packages pretty workable |
| 02:37.11 | foug | so i just pop in and out of #ubuntu for help, havn't had to have help though in awhile, doing good on my own. But since i want to switch to debian, i went to the site to download it and got confused |
| 02:37.20 | foug | blahdeblah: k cool |
| 02:38.11 | ghostkernel | yeah dude,ubuntu is lame,debian is the shit. |
| 02:38.18 | blahdeblah | foug: I wrote up a little list of what i do on installs: http://linuxman.wikispaces.com/General+Debian+installation+notes and http://linuxman.wikispaces.com/Creating+a+Debian+server+for+a+small+nonprofit |
| 02:38.23 | blahdeblah | It's not complete yet |
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| 02:39.18 | ghostkernel | foug why dont you try linux mint |
| 02:39.20 | ghostkernel | ?? |
| 02:39.25 | ghostkernel | its also based on debian |
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| 02:39.36 | ghostkernel | and its very very easy to install |
| 02:39.48 | Guerin | ghostkernel: if you'd like to pimp your fave distro, please do so in ##linux |
| 02:39.50 | foug | ghostkernel: what's that |
| 02:39.51 | ghostkernel | and it handles wireless and automatic driver recognition just fine |
| 02:40.02 | foug | blahdeblah: k i'll give these a read |
| 02:40.04 | ghostkernel | linux mint is a linux distrobution based on debian |
| 02:40.11 | foug | also, how do i know if i need i386 or the amd64? |
| 02:40.22 | Guerin | foug: you need the i386 |
| 02:40.25 | ghostkernel | what kind of processor do you have? |
| 02:40.26 | foug | :) |
| 02:40.28 | foug | amd |
| 02:40.38 | ghostkernel | is it a 64 bit? |
| 02:40.45 | Guerin | irrelevant |
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| 02:41.00 | foug | dunno but i used the ubuntu i386 so i'm assuming i should get the same for debian, but, i do use AMd Athlon 64 |
| 02:41.01 | Guerin | the 64-bit flavour introduces much complexity and paininthearsitude |
| 02:41.14 | nvz | Well I figured out this box I was about to swtich to is an AMD socket 462 not a P4.. and that it only has a 200W PSU.. damn compaq! |
| 02:41.19 | foug | ghostkernel: and, i kinda wanna learn about linux so i don't want to always take the easy road |
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| 02:41.52 | merlincorey | foug: oh then you definately want gentoo - you'll get lots of "learning" by taking the hard road :) |
| 02:41.55 | merlincorey | :-p |
| 02:41.56 | ghostkernel | foug:linux mint is pretty good,you should try it and get used to the debian inviroment |
| 02:42.02 | merlincorey | ghostkernel: shut up |
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| 02:42.06 | merlincorey | debian based distros suck |
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| 02:42.12 | merlincorey | they don't understand policy usually |
| 02:42.14 | merlincorey | fuck them |
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| 02:42.18 | merlincorey | fuck them in their stupid asses |
| 02:42.18 | ghostkernel | merlincorey what is your problem? |
| 02:42.21 | borg7_ | I have a 2 NIC LTSP setup I just installed dansguardian. When I try to boot up a client it gets DHCP but it doesn't pull from TFTP. Any thoughts? |
| 02:42.44 | merlincorey | ghostkernel: you pimpin your shit in here |
| 02:42.47 | Guerin | borg7_: asl #ltsp or some such place? |
| 02:42.55 | ghostkernel | fine ill shut up |
| 02:43.04 | merlincorey | ghostkernel: thanks |
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| 02:43.30 | borg7_ | Guerin: yah i'm awaiting a response in that channel... thought I'd try my luck in other locations |
| 02:43.59 | nvz | oh well I just checked the PSU on my Athlon XP I am running ant its only rated 145W.. and it's been running.. so I guess I'll give it a shot.. these compaqs amaze me with how they manage to run with such little PSUs |
| 02:44.38 | foug | ghostkernel: get use to the debian environment? i use ubuntu right now |
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| 02:44.59 | ghostkernel | goodbye people,see ya later..... |
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| 02:48.30 | xerophyte | what is the best spam solution out there mailscanner,assp, or dspam ? |
| 02:48.53 | Guerin | xerophyte: postgrey |
| 02:49.09 | foug | hmmm |
| 02:49.15 | foug | it seems the debian servers are down, i can't DL |
| 02:49.25 | Guerin | foug: choose another; there are plenty |
| 02:49.34 | foug | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 02:50.01 | foug | i just need the netinst i386 |
| 02:50.09 | foug | o it works now, hmm |
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| 02:53.54 | f00li5h | in reference to my earlier chown -R 0:0 /var ... i've snagged a directory listing from another box, with ls -l... is there an option to chmod that will take permissions in the same format ls -l prints them? |
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| 02:54.44 | eljefe | good evening :) does anyone use kdenlive from multimedia-debian.org? I am wondering how often it is updated, and which branch you use. |
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| 02:55.31 | Guerin | f00li5h: no, but you could write a script to convert them |
| 02:55.39 | ftp3 | this is a debian/apache question ;-).. I did a apt-get install apache2 on a new machine.. it installed apache 2.2.3.. anyway, now I want to add ssl to it.. i did a apt-cache search, etc.. I cannot find the apt package to add ssl to my new apache2 install.. am I blind? |
| 02:55.58 | Guerin | ftp3: apache2 includes ssl |
| 02:56.30 | f00li5h | Guerin: so convert them to the octal form then? |
| 02:56.48 | ftp3 | guerin: thanks.. |
| 02:56.49 | Guerin | f00li5h: yeah |
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| 02:57.04 | f00li5h | Guerin: that sounds like a bit of fun |
| 02:57.22 | Guerin | f00li5h: you can also /msg dpkg lost var |
| 02:57.31 | Guerin | f00li5h: unure which would be more harder |
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| 02:58.36 | f00li5h | Guerin: i'm hoping that item just says "run the post-install scripts for everything you've installed" |
| 02:58.44 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:59.01 | foug | has anyone tried running Fable or Resident Evil 4 under linux? |
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| 02:59.19 | Guerin | !htfswk foug |
| 02:59.19 | dpkg | foug: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 02:59.36 | foug | lmao |
| 02:59.40 | foug | this channel is cool |
| 03:00.08 | Guerin | foug: someone, somewhere may have. Probably better asking on some gamin forum or in ##linux |
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| 03:00.33 | foug | hmm, k |
| 03:00.39 | f00li5h | Guerin: hrm, i already tried running a dist-upgrade, and it didn't fix it |
| 03:00.47 | f00li5h | (because i have a borked depend tree) |
| 03:01.11 | Guerin | f00li5h: did you read the lost var stuff? |
| 03:01.23 | f00li5h | Guerin: yeah, it just ammounted to a dist-upgrade |
| 03:01.52 | Guerin | f00li5h: i seem to recall it involving a rebuild of the dselect status filre |
| 03:02.01 | Guerin | which is quite radically difference |
| 03:02.06 | f00li5h | Guerin: it does that too |
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| 03:02.55 | f00li5h | it does a dist-upgrade to get a re-install of base |
| 03:03.31 | f00li5h | Guerin: oh, i know... i'll do both, i'll hack up this script, run the chown/chmod's and then do it the right way afterwards |
| 03:03.45 | Guerin | funfunfun |
| 03:05.32 | hatter | !monkeys |
| 03:05.32 | dpkg | i heard monkeys is the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
| 03:05.49 | Guerin | !qotd0 |
| 03:05.49 | dpkg | <alfred> how do i set my date and time from an nntp server? <greycat> hahaha |
| 03:06.11 | hatter | lol |
| 03:06.28 | f00li5h | that doesn't seem so stupid, you just make a post, and check the date/time header on the message, right? |
| 03:06.38 | f00li5h | </sarcasm> |
| 03:06.51 | Guerin | heh |
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| 03:16.52 | marckie | hi. i uninstalled vsftpd via 'apt-get remove vsftpd'. I saw that it left /etc/vsftpd.conf and /etc/init.d/vsftpd on the filesystem, so i rm'ed those as well. now i reinstalled it back via 'apt-get install vsftpd'. now the files i rm'ed were missing. how do i get those back as well? |
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| 03:17.50 | Riversidee | hello |
| 03:18.05 | Riversidee | i need some help... |
| 03:18.34 | daeos | all of us do, and im not savvy enough with debian to help anyone ;) |
| 03:18.53 | Rusty1 | !ask |
| 03:18.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:19.25 | Riversidee | i have a problem with ntfs-3g for mountig windows partitions in my debian etch 4.0 |
| 03:19.51 | f00li5h | userid's > 999 are for normal users, is there a similar rule for groups? |
| 03:20.24 | f00li5h | .oO{ or do i mean, id's < 1000 are for system users } |
| 03:20.32 | Riversidee | Somebody could help me with ntfs partitions?? |
| 03:20.47 | GaiaX11 | Is there any light html editor? I was used to the one mozilla had embedded |
| 03:21.02 | daeos | GaiaX11: i use vim for html editing ;) |
| 03:21.04 | f00li5h | Guerin: i'm obligated by zealotary to suggest vim |
| 03:21.58 | krazykit | GaiaX11, if you're wanting a WYSIWYG editor, nvu is pretty ok. |
| 03:22.37 | Riversidee | debtor for helping me |
| 03:23.00 | daeos | wth is debtor |
| 03:23.12 | Riversidee | ¬¬ |
| 03:23.13 | krazykit | Riversidee, why not actually state the problem? |
| 03:23.13 | GaiaX11 | krazykit: Is nvu in debian repos? |
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| 03:23.41 | krazykit | uh oh. |
| 03:23.42 | GaiaX11 | krazykit: I do not see it here :-( |
| 03:23.51 | Riversidee | » krazykit : thank's... |
| 03:24.34 | krazykit | GaiaX11, doesn't seem to be, but they have the source on their site. |
| 03:24.40 | Riversidee | » krazykit : it can help me with partitions |
| 03:25.09 | krazykit | Riversidee, we can't help if you don't state the specific problem. |
| 03:25.34 | Nzxl | Riversidee: What problems are you having with your partitions, and what are you trying to do with them exactly? Mount it? |
| 03:25.43 | Riversidee | » krazykit : the windows partitions they do not appear in my desktop, but in directory /mnt (that i set) is correctly.. |
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| 03:26.04 | Nzxl | Riversidee: They'll appear in /mnt/ if you had a folder there for them, but they're probably not mounted. |
| 03:26.21 | Riversidee | » Nzxl : but is monted.. |
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| 03:26.51 | Nzxl | Are you sure? Does df say they're mounted? |
| 03:27.20 | Amarande | f00li5h, probably should stick to 4 or 5 digit user or group numbers |
| 03:27.32 | Amarande | though, it's not actually a set-in-stone rule like, say, ports < 1024 are for root only |
| 03:27.38 | marckie | hi. i uninstalled vsftpd via 'apt-get remove vsftpd'. I saw that it left /etc/vsftpd.conf and /etc/init.d/vsftpd on the filesystem, so i rm'ed those as well. now i reinstalled it back via 'apt-get install vsftpd'. now the files i rm'ed were missing. how do i get those back as well? |
| 03:27.39 | Amarande | some dists used to start numbering users at 100 |
| 03:28.10 | Riversidee | » Nzxl : for example: Partition One (Windows): mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/hda1 /mnt/Windows |
| 03:28.26 | Nzxl | Riversidee: And does that give you an error? |
| 03:28.33 | Riversidee | » Nzxl : no... |
| 03:28.48 | Nzxl | Riversidee: Is there anything in /mnt/Windows now? |
| 03:29.22 | Riversidee | » Nzxl : now... i'm in windows, ¶=( |
| 03:29.34 | Nzxl | That's not very helpful... |
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| 03:31.15 | f00li5h | Amarande: i see |
| 03:31.25 | Rusty1 | marckie: try apt-get --purge remove vfsftp, then reinstall. YMMV |
| 03:31.53 | f00li5h | what is the "t" in drwxrwxrwt on /var/tmp |
| 03:31.59 | Amarande | f00li5h: the only thing that is an absolute rule is that user number 0 is always root |
| 03:32.09 | \amethyst | f00li5h: sticky |
| 03:32.11 | Amarande | everything else can be tinkered with as needed |
| 03:32.31 | \amethyst | f00li5h: on a directory, it means that only the owner of a file in the dir can delete that file |
| 03:32.50 | \amethyst | f00li5h: ordinarily anyone who can write to the directory can remove a file |
| 03:32.53 | f00li5h | \amethyst: in octal, sticky is the 4th-least significant bit, no? |
| 03:33.06 | \amethyst | f00li5h: it's 01000 |
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| 03:33.32 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there a way to send all mails to local user to a mail address without adding each user to /etc/alias? I always find some important mails in /var/mail that are there only because the user isn't in /etc/alias |
| 03:33.33 | \amethyst | f00li5h: the third-most significant bit |
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| 03:33.50 | \amethyst | f00li5h: the fourth-least would be group execute |
| 03:34.12 | f00li5h | \amethyst: when i said bit, i should have said octet |
| 03:34.31 | \amethyst | mkl1525: make a .forward file in the user's directory? |
| 03:35.04 | marckie | Rusty1: thanks, it worked |
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| 03:35.28 | \amethyst | f00li5h: perldoc -f chmod ? |
| 03:35.37 | mkl1525 | \amethyst, thanks thought there would be some kind of fetchall option in /etc/alias |
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| 03:36.42 | f00li5h | \amethyst: perl's chmod wants numeric too |
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| 03:39.58 | \amethyst | f00li5h: oh, you want something to parse the first column of ls output into an octal mode? |
| 03:40.28 | f00li5h | \amethyst: yes, the folks on #Perl have pointed me at a canned one |
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| 03:42.04 | \amethyst | f00li5h: there's also the possibility of a trailing +, which often means that ACLs are present |
| 03:42.24 | nvz | hmm I've got a shitty onboard S3 ProSuckage4 card and I'm just using the vesa driver in xorg, I've got 512MB ram and it lets me reserve 8,16,32 mb for the video onboard. I had been using 32mb but I figure considering my shitty video and lack of accell that extra 24mb of system ram would do more for my overall performance than having it reserved for video.. |
| 03:42.30 | f00li5h | \amethyst: thank you mr make-the-problem-more-complicated o_O |
| 03:44.51 | f00li5h | \amethyst: i'll add a warning for that, so i can know if it happens, where do i find the +? |
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| 03:46.19 | \amethyst | f00li5h: immediately following world-execute |
| 03:46.32 | \amethyst | f00li5h: at the very end, in a separate column |
| 03:46.56 | f00li5h | so ...-x + ? |
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| 03:47.14 | f00li5h | \amethyst++ # if there is karma here |
| 03:47.16 | Azar | stupid question: is there a Debian conference at Edinburgh in June? |
| 03:47.31 | \amethyst | f00li5h: -rwxr-xr-x+ |
| 03:47.35 | liable | Azar: there is one soon, yes |
| 03:47.44 | \amethyst | f00li5h: I meant screen column, not formatted column, sorry |
| 03:48.02 | Azar | thanks, liable, because the only one mentioned in an article related to is.... Mark Shuttleworth |
| 03:48.22 | f00li5h | \amethyst: oh, right... i see |
| 03:48.23 | Azar | I thought they ment "ubuntu" |
| 03:48.25 | liable | Azar: debconf7 iirc |
| 03:48.37 | Azar | ah ah... I see.. |
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| 03:49.34 | \amethyst | f00li5h: technically, to be portable, it can be any character, space means "no additional access control method" and anything else means "some alternate access control method". Implementations providing only one alternate access method (GNU/Linux with ACLs) are encouraged but not required to use + |
| 03:49.57 | \amethyst | s/ter, s/ter. S/ |
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| 03:50.57 | f00li5h | \amethyst: i'm not sure that there are ACL's on the box i'm taking the permissions from, but i'll keep an eye out for them |
| 03:51.35 | \amethyst | f00li5h: if your filesystem supports ACLs, you can do touch file; chacl u::rwx,g::---,o::---,u:nobody:rwx,m::rwx file |
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| 03:52.54 | \amethyst | f00li5h: then it will probably show up as -rwxrwx---+ Note that the group fields are coopted (that's really the mask which is applied to ACL and group permissions; the real group permissions are in a special ACL |
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| 03:54.02 | \amethyst | s/special ACL/& entry/ |
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| 03:56.04 | Graelb | Hi |
| 03:56.58 | liable | howdy |
| 03:57.27 | Graelb | Don't suppose anyone wants to help me with installing vmware-tools on a guest installation of debian? |
| 03:57.49 | Azar | what a bunch of crap, (do I wonder why I never buy Intell, tho I don't bet AMD would not do the same..) |
| 03:58.37 | Azar | "Essentially, all new Intel machines (and a number of current Intel servers) come with free hardware rootkit functionality, which is operational and accessible when the machine is powered off, and in the case of laptops, even when they are unplugged and powered off." |
| 03:58.48 | Azar | that's a doomsday honorables |
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| 04:00.00 | ApEtc | Azar: Do you have a link or is this just FUD? |
| 04:00.34 | liable | was on reddit |
| 04:00.34 | liable | theres even intel papers on it |
| 04:00.35 | ApEtc | Ok |
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| 04:00.59 | \amethyst | Azar: system management mode? |
| 04:01.06 | Azar | ApEtc: yes I do |
| 04:01.08 | liable | its not quite as ominous as it sounds, though it does sound like it could be open to abuse |
| 04:01.11 | hatter | azar, as if. |
| 04:01.27 | Azar | http://www.astalavista.com/?section=news&cmd=details&newsid=3933 |
| 04:01.33 | legis | Do you guys know of any app to test packtets/s between two hosts? |
| 04:01.47 | liable | iperf? |
| 04:01.55 | Dewi | Azar: I feel secure just because such a large proportion of the geek subculture are so paranoid. |
| 04:01.55 | Azar | \amethyst: Intel Active Management, another piece of crap |
| 04:02.12 | Amarande | heh, and we pay Intel extra for this? |
| 04:02.18 | Amarande | I remember most Intel CPUs cost more :P |
| 04:02.26 | Dewi | Amarande: a lot more |
| 04:02.36 | Dewi | Amarande: at least at the non-high-end |
| 04:02.45 | Azar | Dewi: with every year I see more and more erosion of privacy and security due to those "we know what the consumer needs" schemes |
| 04:03.07 | Amarande | yeah, maybe I should stick with my A8N32-SLI Deluxe and Athlon X2 4200+ for a long time :) |
| 04:03.20 | Azar | they might want to say that they make the users computing life easier but the price is grotesque |
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| 04:03.35 | Dewi | Azar: While that may be true in some sector of the marketplace, the open source movement is strong enough to always ensure there are alternatives - and it's easier to stay open source than ever before. |
| 04:03.38 | legis | liable: hmmm ok |
| 04:03.43 | Azar | I stick with my old boxes as long as I can, man |
| 04:04.20 | mike__ | hi, i just did a apt-get update, upgrade, and now my xorg nvidia driver isn't working. anyone else had this problem? Im on debian testing |
| 04:04.23 | Azar | Dewi: it does not mater about the operating system.... it goes with the hardware now and I guess is not much one can do to avoid the crap |
| 04:04.37 | hatter | hmmm. the sentences below state being able to access these boxes while the machine is disconnected from the network, maybe a new technology 'thin air networking' |
| 04:04.45 | Azar | Dewi: open source has long lost my respect in some key issues |
| 04:05.05 | Dewi | Azar: Theo DeRaadt still seems pretty uncompromising |
| 04:05.20 | Azar | hatter: it is not only the owner/user of the machine getting control of it anymore... |
| 04:05.51 | Azar | Dewi: that person is a guy who I highly dislike ... |
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| 04:06.14 | hatter | Azar, i still find it hard to believe, it sounds like a good functionality, placing more processing power in the nic, or the bios or w/e but it will be able to be disabled |
| 04:06.22 | Amarande | I wonder if government negotiations and extra tax breaks for Intel were involved here |
| 04:06.48 | Dewi | Amarande: hah. Well I won't comment on the brokenness of american democracy |
| 04:06.58 | Amarande | Democracy was always broken ... |
| 04:07.04 | hatter | dont get too paranoid. most of these sort of things can be disabled and can be more useful with control |
| 04:07.13 | Amarande | There is really only one way of government that is ideal, and it's almost impossible to get. |
| 04:07.51 | Azar | hatter: hard to believe? that if by now someone or some organization, corporation..etc could and CAN in fact break into your network, while your systems are "on", you could nothing about now when you turn them off and even "unplug" the power? |
| 04:07.58 | \amethyst | Amarande: Philosopher-kings |
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| 04:08.20 | Azar | haha liable |
| 04:08.36 | wols | mike__: what nvidia video card? |
| 04:08.44 | Amarande | You need an incorruptible, entirely benevolent dictator with absolute ultimate in-the-end power. |
| 04:08.47 | hatter | Azar, we can and will always place firewalls in front of our things, which can be bridged and invisible and monitoring / limiting packets |
| 04:08.54 | hatter | dont forget, that we are the admins :) |
| 04:09.01 | Amarande | These are pretty much impossible to find, since people are human, and computers are programmed by humans. |
| 04:09.25 | Azar | while we could and can avoid some situation against some malicious software, with another software, with rootkits implanted in hardware it gonna be harder |
| 04:09.31 | Dewi | Amarande: no, that's exactly what doesn't work. |
| 04:09.39 | Dewi | Amarande: as you are no doubt aware |
| 04:09.39 | hatter | have read any EULA';s you'va had to agree to to get windows updates lately ? |
| 04:09.47 | \amethyst | Amarande: you forgot "immortal" |
| 04:10.02 | Azar | hatter: my Debian linux does not have a windows eula |
| 04:10.18 | hatter | nor do mine, but my laptop does and my customers do |
| 04:10.27 | Dewi | Amarande: my point is, no point crying over what might have been - and the american system was close to what is realistically achieveable |
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| 04:10.33 | Dewi | Amarande: but I'm not sure it is anymore |
| 04:10.48 | Dewi | Amarande: close to the best of what is realistically achieveable I mean |
| 04:11.02 | mike__ | is there an apt log of what was recently upgraded? |
| 04:11.08 | hatter | to which soon i will get around to putting etch on my laptop, but i still need dreamweaver and some other apps.... sigh |
| 04:11.09 | Azar | hatter: I am sure they do not read it: eula is like "zero fat" label on food that do contain "partially hydrogenated oil" who the heck reads the fine print? |
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| 04:11.34 | Dewi | mike__: aptitude logs to /var/log/aptitude |
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| 04:11.41 | hatter | Azar, more to the point is , without agreeing to it, you cant get the updates leaving you open to crapware |
| 04:11.49 | mike__ | just plain apt i mean :( |
| 04:11.53 | Dewi | mike__: don't know where dpkg logs |
| 04:11.54 | \amethyst | mike__: /var/log/dpkg.log maybe |
| 04:12.09 | Dewi | \amethyst: I don't have that file |
| 04:13.21 | \amethyst | hm |
| 04:13.22 | wols | Dewi: sarge? |
| 04:13.22 | hatter | I am still constanlty amazed how good ssh is |
| 04:13.22 | hatter | tunneling, etc |
| 04:13.22 | Dewi | wols: on sarge it's not there, on etch it's empty |
| 04:13.22 | mike__ | i upgraded my system and nvidia module cannot be found. even though it didn't upgrade the kernel OR the module |
| 04:13.22 | Dewi | wols: curious. |
| 04:13.22 | hatter | vpn;s, tunnels, rsync, very cool |
| 04:13.22 | wols | mike__: answer my question |
| 04:13.22 | mike__ | pardon? |
| 04:13.22 | wols | mike__: what nvidia video card |
| 04:13.22 | hatter | Good Work Mr Tridgell :) |
| 04:13.23 | mike__ | nvidia 6800GS |
| 04:13.23 | Azar | hatter: that was one of the reasons I abandoned windows: I never trusted my box with a login to the ms HQ in order to get those updates. And thinking that at least 3% of those updates were (or were facilitating) crapware on my box |
| 04:13.24 | hatter | with rsync i am speaking of now |
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| 04:13.57 | hatter | Azar, I am with you. my job in life is to drive people away from the scourge known as microsoft |
| 04:14.19 | hatter | i am loving my ubuntu desktop and my etch servers |
| 04:14.25 | Dewi | Azar: it's not even close to 3% - largely because there are hundreds of security patches |
| 04:14.32 | Dewi | (since the last service pack) |
| 04:14.35 | Azar | hatter: I hope some corporations would wake up and accept linux as 100% of their systems |
| 04:14.48 | hatter | its about the programs that run on windows |
| 04:14.56 | \amethyst | Azar: it's really an attempt to seed the world with so much crapware that it spontaneously achieves sentience, and rules us as a benevolent god-king |
| 04:15.02 | hatter | until the platform is irrelevant to the programs, |
| 04:15.07 | hatter | we still have a long way to go |
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| 04:15.09 | Azar | Dewi: no, "possible" security patches and even those buggy |
| 04:16.06 | Azar | Dewi: you ever browsed those "security patches" and read exactly what they were about? I did, and found that only 50% were really necessary to download and install, the rest, crapola |
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| 04:16.55 | Dewi | Azar: I normally do, yeah. They aren't terribly specific a lot of the time unless you dig very deep |
| 04:17.05 | Azar | 80% of people do not read, investigate... no time. |
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| 04:17.30 | Dewi | Azar: but apart from the WGA notification applet and those silly malware scanners, I don't know of anything else unnecessary |
| 04:18.28 | Azar | Dewi: 20% of what comes with a closed source OS I felt was shoved down my throat, I wanted it or not. Ofcourse I would not use them therefore no need for patches for them. |
| 04:18.42 | Dewi | Azar: but really it doesn't matter what each one says. Any piece of software could do something other than what it says, or it could be badly broken. Either you trust MS to keep your system secure or you don't. |
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| 04:19.02 | Azar | on Debian, I rarely get security patches, why? because I do not use the entire kaboonga |
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| 04:19.26 | wols | 15 patches on MS june patchday btw :) |
| 04:19.31 | Dewi | Azar: To some extent you are saddled with shit you don't want, but it's not like MS is the only or worst offender. |
| 04:19.40 | Dewi | Azar: apple is far, far, worse |
| 04:19.40 | Azar | Dewi: my last opinion: Its been long I dont give a crap about ms and its patches |
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| 04:21.06 | Azar | it is time people realize what a pile of crap is ms... alas most prefer to stay guinea pigs than have the freedom |
| 04:22.33 | Azar | but refering to the article, that I started with, the OS it really does not matter anymore. A way more easy open door is coming with the hardware rootkits |
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| 04:23.12 | wols | those are not "rootkits" |
| 04:23.22 | wols | those are management functions for server farms |
| 04:23.25 | Azar | "Note, this is OS agnostic, will take out your OSX, Windows and Linux machines" |
| 04:23.29 | xjkx | everybody says we can directly help linux, what about it? I dont know what I can do |
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| 04:23.56 | wols | Xires: depends where you capabilities lie |
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| 04:24.19 | Xires | a little bit of everything, actually |
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| 04:24.27 | Xires | I take it you meant that for someone else?? |
| 04:24.51 | xjkx | xires yes i think |
| 04:24.57 | wols | too many nicks beginning with x |
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| 04:25.02 | xjkx | I am like asking what i am able to do |
| 04:25.42 | Amarande | wols: fear seems to be that the management functions will have security holes |
| 04:25.53 | Amarande | and then no amount of software level security will work. |
| 04:26.18 | wols | yes, everything can have secruity holes. but this is no TCPA |
| 04:26.52 | Azar | wols: that was a reply for me? |
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| 04:27.35 | wols | no for Amarande's remark |
| 04:28.21 | Azar | well, I am thinking this way: a laptop or notebook was imagined, created and built for the use on the road, away from home, company etc, it is "portable". I find it ridiculous to tinker with its security at such levels so they think you need to access it while is turned off. |
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| 04:28.38 | Azar | When we all know, that it "can" be not only you the one |
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| 04:29.23 | Azar | it cuts off the very last salvation: power cut off |
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| 04:42.01 | beoba | hi, i have a debian box which is somehow refusing to acknowledge any of the four nics i have available |
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| 04:42.16 | beoba | at least half of which i can clearly remember working on linux boxen in the past couple weeks |
| 04:42.28 | hatter | beoba, what chipset are they ? |
| 04:42.38 | beoba | lets see, one's 3com |
| 04:42.41 | beoba | another is netgear |
| 04:42.51 | beoba | i can read the text off the chip but that probably isnt too helpful |
| 04:43.02 | liable | they show in lspci? |
| 04:43.08 | beoba | all of them light up, and the switch that they are plugged into also lights up |
| 04:43.09 | hatter | when you say refusing to ackowledge what do you mean ? |
| 04:43.17 | wols | beoba: PCI NICs? |
| 04:43.22 | hatter | liables question ? |
| 04:43.40 | beoba | i have one DEC card which shows up as eth0, i'm hoping to get both an eth0 and an eth1, as i intend to make the box a gateway/firewall |
| 04:43.47 | hatter | what release ? |
| 04:43.48 | beoba | they're all PCI NICs |
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| 04:44.03 | beoba | unstable |
| 04:44.14 | hatter | why unstable ? |
| 04:44.14 | wols | beoba: answer liable's question |
| 04:44.28 | beoba | wols: typing :) |
| 04:44.45 | beoba | working card: digital equipment decchip 21140 [fasternet] rev22 |
| 04:44.46 | unperson | I want to run my ftp server via inetd, but I want to run it on a non-standard port. How do I set this with inetd? |
| 04:44.48 | hatter | if u are serious about a firewall/gateway then you should use etch |
| 04:45.04 | beoba | non-working card (one that happens to be plugged in): 3com 3c905 100basetx [ boomerang] |
| 04:45.24 | beoba | (so the non-working one is appearing in lspci) |
| 04:45.37 | beoba | but it doesn't show up in ifconfig |
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| 04:45.46 | beoba | and 'ifup eth1' gives me 'no such device' |
| 04:46.03 | hatter | have you set it up in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 04:46.26 | Spyro_boy | mmmm |
| 04:46.43 | Guerin | it should show in ifconfig once the correct module is loaded |
| 04:46.48 | unperson | hatter, No. Is that where I have to make the port assignment? |
| 04:46.54 | beoba | i'm fairly sure i have, i'll upload what i have and feel free to tell me if it's incorrect (im trying to have eth0 be dhcp and eth1 be static) |
| 04:47.06 | hatter | unperson, i was speaking to beoba |
| 04:47.22 | beoba | here's the current config: http://beoba.net/interfaces |
| 04:47.25 | hatter | Guerin, not if its not in interfaces |
| 04:47.29 | Guerin | unperson: running it in inetd is pointless. Also bear in mind that ftp requires at least two ports. |
| 04:47.37 | liable | hatter: eh? |
| 04:47.43 | hatter | am i wrong ? |
| 04:47.48 | Guerin | hatter: yes, you are. |
| 04:47.51 | unperson | hatter, Well that works out because I didn't even really look at the file location too closely, or I would have realized that that was not for me. :-) |
| 04:48.01 | xerophyte | sometime gnu-screen does not accept any input does anybody know why ? |
| 04:48.04 | hatter | ok |
| 04:48.13 | unperson | Guerin, Yes, I know it requires multiple ports. |
| 04:48.25 | wols | hatter: ifconfig -a shows all nics, configured or not as soon as the driver is laoded |
| 04:48.42 | wols | xerophyte: pressed ctrl+s probably |
| 04:48.45 | unperson | Guerin, Why is it pointless? I anticipate that this ftp server daemon will be in use like 0.1% of the time. |
| 04:48.47 | hatter | but not ifconfig without the -a switch |
| 04:48.50 | wols | xerophyte: try ctrl+q |
| 04:48.51 | beoba | haha there it is |
| 04:48.55 | Spyro_boy | Uh |
| 04:48.57 | beoba | i just did it with -a |
| 04:49.00 | beoba | and it's eth2 |
| 04:49.00 | hatter | which is what i was speaking of |
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| 04:49.03 | Guerin | unperson: do you also realise that inetd is pointless? An ftpd requires practically 0 resources when idle. |
| 04:49.11 | wols | beoba: if in doubt, blame udev |
| 04:49.14 | beoba | so it is there, its just skipping eth1 |
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| 04:49.22 | karma | I run lenny: "dpkg: error processing tzdata" |
| 04:49.24 | unperson | Guerin, I thought that the idea of inetd was to have one process listening for many seldom used services (among other things). |
| 04:49.31 | karma | Whenever I try to install something it fails now |
| 04:49.34 | beoba | why is it skipping eth1? is my interfaces file (http://beoba.net/interfaces) incorrect? |
| 04:49.36 | wols | Kurtism: full error |
| 04:49.36 | Spyro_boy | Could I theoretically NFS my laptop and install Debian over a network? |
| 04:49.52 | karma | dpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure): |
| 04:49.52 | karma | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.53 | Guerin | beoba: use ifrename |
| 04:49.53 | hatter | beoba, and what happens when you ifup eth2 ? |
| 04:49.57 | wols | Spyro_boy: read the install guide/release notes |
| 04:50.03 | Spyro_boy | wols, alright. |
| 04:50.06 | beoba | ignoring unknown interface eth2=eth2 |
| 04:50.13 | beoba | (since i dont have eth2 in interfaces) |
| 04:50.56 | beoba | ifrename complains about a lack of /etc/iftab |
| 04:51.25 | Guerin | beoba: instead of telling us, why don't you configure it? |
| 04:51.29 | liable | may as well use a udev rule these days |
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| 04:51.45 | beoba | Guerin: well, youre the one who suggested it |
| 04:52.13 | wols | beoba: we expect people to think about suggestions given here. not just blindly tpying stuff we tell you |
| 04:52.14 | Guerin | beoba: yes; if I suggested you install super-omg-system-crasher, would you do so blindly? |
| 04:52.22 | beoba | Guerin: of course :) |
| 04:52.32 | beoba | TRYING SO NOW! |
| 04:52.36 | beoba | ITS NOT FINDING THAT PACKAGE! |
| 04:52.42 | karma | tzdata is horribly broken on my lenny install... APT cannot install/remove any package because of tzdata |
| 04:52.59 | Guerin | beoba: perhaps you need an apt wrench |
| 04:53.04 | hatter | beoba, he spelt it wrong, try this one : super-duper-omg-system-crasher |
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| 04:53.10 | beoba | :) |
| 04:53.14 | Guerin | karma: aptitude -f install; |
| 04:53.15 | hatter | :) |
| 04:53.30 | karma | Guerin: Thanks, but that doesn't help my tzdata problem |
| 04:53.46 | liable | karma: whats bts say about it? |
| 04:53.52 | Guerin | karma: it should give useful outpu. Post such output to paster. |
| 04:54.03 | hatter | beoba, start with configuring the devices that show up with ifconfig -a |
| 04:54.09 | wols | karma: until you show us the complete error we cannot help you |
| 04:54.13 | wols | and no. not pasting in here |
| 04:55.14 | karma | wols, liable, Guerin: http://pastebin.ca/563488 |
| 04:56.04 | beoba | i think i've got it now, thanks |
| 04:56.25 | Guerin | karma: run sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst |
| 04:56.30 | liable | put a set -x in the script |
| 04:56.31 | Guerin | karma: post output |
| 04:56.40 | liable | or that.. |
| 04:56.42 | Guerin | liable: stop stealing my ideas! |
| 04:56.46 | wols | !btsmite karma |
| 04:56.50 | wols | !btssmite karma |
| 04:57.00 | wols | Guerin: it's already documented in BTS |
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| 04:57.11 | Guerin | wols: good point |
| 04:57.12 | karma | wols: I like using reportbug-ng but I couldn't install it because of the tzdata errors =/ |
| 04:57.28 | karsten | How do I force fsck on boot? |
| 04:57.40 | wols | karma: you are not supposed to report a bug that's already been reported. a simple BTS search would have helpewd |
| 04:57.43 | liable | karsten: touch /forcefsck |
| 04:58.01 | karma | Guerin: http://pastebin.ca/563492 |
| 04:58.04 | liable | karsten: or during boot you mean? |
| 04:58.16 | karsten | liable: I'd like to boot and have fsck run. |
| 04:58.29 | karsten | liable: ... forcing check despite boot count since last check. |
| 04:58.39 | liable | karsten: ya, touch that file |
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| 04:59.30 | karsten | liable: Dig. Found it in chkrootfs.sh checkroot.sh |
| 04:59.49 | liable | yup |
| 05:00.34 | karma | Wow |
| 05:00.44 | karma | 'touch /etc/localtime' fixed it |
| 05:00.50 | karma | What a silly bug |
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| 05:03.17 | kryptoz | Hi guys .. :) |
| 05:03.19 | Guerin | karma: yep, that's a goodie |
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| 05:05.51 | Greyscale_ | apache keeps wanting to make me download my PHP files. Help? |
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| 05:07.37 | Guerin | Greyscale_: install and configure a php interpreter |
| 05:07.57 | liable | !php wants me to dowload still |
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| 05:08.12 | liable | !wake up |
| 05:08.12 | dpkg | liable: I'm already awake! :) |
| 05:08.20 | liable | !php wants me to download still |
| 05:08.20 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. |
| 05:08.26 | liable | stupid fingers |
| 05:09.00 | Greyscale_ | Guerin, I did/. |
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| 05:09.03 | Greyscale_ | I installed php5. |
| 05:09.07 | Greyscale_ | Like I do normally |
| 05:09.13 | Guerin | Greyscale_: install *and* configure |
| 05:09.13 | Greyscale_ | but this one wants to treat it like a file |
| 05:09.17 | Greyscale_ | oo |
| 05:09.22 | Guerin | i guarantee if both of those are done it will work |
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| 05:09.49 | Greyscale_ | So what do I need to configure? |
| 05:10.01 | Guerin | Greyscale_: apache and php5 |
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| 05:10.11 | Guerin | Greyscale_: liable already gave you the answer |
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| 05:11.29 | MasterGH | hi, I keep getting an error from cron.daily when running man-db, here's the link to it: http://pastebin.ca/563504 |
| 05:12.08 | MasterGH | what would be the best way of fixing that? |
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| 05:12.36 | liable | ah, the old dangling symlink |
| 05:12.42 | MasterGH | hehe yeah :/ |
| 05:12.48 | Guerin | !warnings |
| 05:12.48 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 05:12.54 | liable | you can remove the symlink, shouldnt cause a problem |
| 05:13.16 | liable | some package didnt clean up in a removal i guess |
| 05:13.25 | MasterGH | liable: thanks, just wanted to check before I did |
| 05:14.31 | hatter | !monkeys |
| 05:14.31 | dpkg | well, monkeys is the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
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| 05:15.27 | asarch | Does anybody here has a PSP? How can I play a dowloaded game? |
| 05:15.35 | asarch | Sorry for the off-line question |
| 05:15.36 | Guerin | asarch: ask Sony |
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| 05:16.06 | MasterGH | liable: seemed to be needed by a few things (the actual thing itself) so I was worried that I'd messed up something :) |
| 05:16.32 | liable | MasterGH: the symlink? |
| 05:16.55 | liable | MasterGH: running update-alternatives --config x-www-browser may fix it also |
| 05:17.13 | MasterGH | liable: no, x-www-browser itself, so I thought something might have been corrupted to do with it |
| 05:18.18 | MasterGH | liable: anyway, thanks again, just was getting annoyed with all the system emails I was getting :P |
| 05:18.40 | liable | np |
| 05:18.48 | asarch | Guerin: Thanks man!!! |
| 05:18.55 | Greyscale_ | What in php.ini am I exactly looking for? |
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| 05:19.01 | Guerin | asarch: you are most welcome. |
| 05:19.05 | andreou | greets |
| 05:19.14 | Guerin | asarch: greeks |
| 05:19.17 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:19.23 | Guerin | andreou: ↑ |
| 05:19.28 | andreou | can anyone help with a CS4236 soundcard on etch? |
| 05:19.39 | andreou | greets to the greeks, yes |
| 05:19.45 | liable | Guerin: romans! |
| 05:19.59 | Guerin | liable: persians? |
| 05:20.04 | Greyscale_ | ninja romans! |
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| 05:20.11 | liable | beer! |
| 05:20.12 | Greyscale_ | pirate greeks |
| 05:20.20 | Greyscale_ | ebil php configs. halp! |
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| 05:21.44 | Guerin | andreou: install alsa-base alsa-utils; and run alsaconfig |
| 05:21.52 | Guerin | or alsaconf, i can never remember which it is |
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| 05:24.14 | hailviral | hi :) |
| 05:24.34 | hailviral | i'm having a problem with libc6 :( |
| 05:24.40 | hailviral | anyone awake? |
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| 05:24.53 | Guerin | hailviral: no. |
| 05:25.04 | hailviral | hi Guerin how are u? |
| 05:25.14 | Guerin | who is `u'? |
| 05:25.34 | hailviral | would u like 'you' better |
| 05:25.47 | Guerin | i prefer it when people speak english, yes |
| 05:26.20 | hailviral | me too, i like in california proper english is always a plus |
| 05:26.29 | hailviral | :) |
| 05:26.34 | hailviral | ummmm |
| 05:26.34 | Guerin | ... |
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| 05:26.58 | Cyis | anyone know how a linux ethernet bridge decides which MAC address to use? |
| 05:27.33 | hailviral | limewire doesn't like my libc6 version :( |
| 05:27.45 | Greyscale_ | Cyis, its hardwired into the NIC |
| 05:27.55 | Guerin | hailviral: that's a problem with lamewire, not a problem with libc |
| 05:28.05 | Greyscale_ | I still can't get apache to work. Chiefly because the help has been unhelpful. D: |
| 05:28.05 | Guerin | hailviral: solutoin: don't use lamewire |
| 05:28.14 | Greyscale_ | Guerin, thats not a solution. |
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| 05:28.18 | Cyis | Greyscale_: okay... so you setup the br0 bridge port with eth0 and eth2 ... which "hardwired" NIC MAC does it use? |
| 05:28.22 | Guerin | Greyscale_: yes, it most explicitly is. |
| 05:28.25 | hailviral | is their a better network u recommend |
| 05:28.30 | hailviral | Guerin: |
| 05:28.39 | Greyscale_ | br0 doesn't have a MAC, does it? |
| 05:28.47 | Greyscale_ | or its 00:00:00:00 or something |
| 05:28.53 | Cyis | no it doesn't ... but it has one if you do an ifconfig |
| 05:28.53 | Greyscale_ | hailviral, try frostwire |
| 05:28.58 | Greyscale_ | same thing, little better |
| 05:29.06 | Guerin | hailviral: yes, I recommend using a network which allws you to use the client of your choice, not some fucking retarded java shite written by spyware makers |
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| 05:29.08 | Greyscale_ | then why don't you ask it? |
| 05:29.17 | tenzind | hi, is there a partition application in debian which can resize a partition and then add the free space to another partition? |
| 05:29.31 | hatter | I am with guerin on the limewire comment |
| 05:29.34 | Greyscale_ | Guerin, its also his choice to use it, now stop being mean. |
| 05:29.39 | hatter | spyware making scum. |
| 05:29.54 | Cyis | right now it appears to be taking the second NIC's MAC... which causes conflicts... I'm trying to root out why |
| 05:29.58 | hatter | maybe he doesnt know how much spyware limewire has had in the past |
| 05:30.15 | Guerin | Greyscale_: of course it is, but i'm also quite free to give my optinion on his stupid choice - espectially since he's asking for help on it |
| 05:30.38 | Guerin | tenzind: this is quite tricky to do without destroying the partitions, but can be done on some filesystems |
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| 05:31.13 | liable | hrm, i just killed x and had wpa_supp running in an xterm, why is it still running? |
| 05:31.46 | tenzind | Guerin: all my partitions are ext3 |
| 05:32.02 | Guerin | tenzind: bravo. Which partitions do you want to mess with? |
| 05:33.10 | hailviral | im going with frostwire thx everyone |
| 05:33.11 | Greyscale_ | so yeah, I've still not got a bloody clue whats wrong with apache. |
| 05:33.51 | tenzind | Guerin: i have a /dev/sda5 mounted on ~/work, am thinking of resizing it and adding the free space to /dev/sda1 which is my / |
| 05:34.29 | Guerin | tenzind: additional space is normally wasted in /; you might be bettwe splitting /work in half if you want extra space somplace |
| 05:34.51 | Guerin | tenzind: in any case, / needs to be unmounted to resize, so you'll need to use a livecd |
| 05:35.21 | kryptoz | gparted ? |
| 05:35.34 | Guerin | that would probably be my choice |
| 05:36.00 | tenzind | Guerin: theres a gparted live cd? |
| 05:36.10 | Guerin | there is indeed |
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| 05:36.32 | Greyscale_ | Please: Somebody help me here. I still have no idea what the hell is wrong with apache that makes it make me download PHP files D: |
| 05:36.40 | Greyscale_ | (and yes, php5 is installed) |
| 05:37.00 | andreou | Greyscale_ maybe the wrong mime type is reported |
| 05:37.15 | Guerin | Greyscale_: did you read what liable told you? |
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| 05:37.27 | Greyscale_ | I installed php5 then apache and because I did it the wrong way, I MUST SUFFAR |
| 05:37.50 | Guerin | Greyscale_: reinstall one |
| 05:37.53 | Greyscale_ | Guerin, half of it made no sense and half of it was all "at the end of this file" which was about a mile long and had nothing relevent in the end |
| 05:38.04 | Greyscale_ | Oh for fucks sake. I give up with this channel. |
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| 05:38.09 | Guerin | Greyscale_: i take it that's a `no' |
| 05:38.15 | Penix | heh |
| 05:38.17 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:38.20 | Guerin | !customer |
| 05:38.20 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 05:38.20 | liable | oh well |
| 05:38.23 | andreou | problem solving itself? |
| 05:38.24 | Guerin | Penix: ZOMG! |
| 05:38.27 | andreou | ok my turn |
| 05:38.31 | Penix | wenas :) |
| 05:38.33 | Guerin | !penixstrike Penix |
| 05:38.34 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:38.36 | andreou | i have a CS4236 on a P200 box with debian etch |
| 05:39.05 | andreou | trying to modprobe, it fails. ad1848 reports in dmesg that it can't probe IRQ etc, but suggests a set of io/irq/dma |
| 05:39.20 | andreou | using that in modprobe, the module gets inserted alright, but i get no sound |
| 05:39.27 | andreou | mpg321 reports no libao driver found |
| 05:39.28 | andreou | ideas? |
| 05:39.39 | Guerin | andreou: did you use alsaconfig? |
| 05:39.42 | Penix | I checked my penix items/stats a while back. amazing how many are still intact |
| 05:39.53 | andreou | no, i think it's using OSS, but i'll try right now |
| 05:40.01 | Guerin | Penix: rahul is their main curator |
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| 05:40.08 | andreou | ah it's not present; where can i get it? |
| 05:40.23 | Guerin | andreou: use a 2.6 kernel and install alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 05:40.34 | andreou | ok |
| 05:40.34 | Guerin | it may be alsaconf |
| 05:40.37 | Guerin | i always forget |
| 05:40.42 | Penix | cool. I thought he'd disappeared |
| 05:40.54 | Guerin | Penix: been back a few months now |
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| 05:41.40 | Penix | these new schoolers need a good penix striking to keep em in check |
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| 05:41.50 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:42.05 | Penix | simonrvn_: wenas |
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| 05:42.21 | andreou | will a reboot be required or can i get away without one? |
| 05:42.32 | Guerin | andreou: usually no reboot necessary. |
| 05:42.36 | andreou | great |
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| 05:45.39 | Supaplex | !reboot |
| 05:45.40 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
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| 05:46.25 | andreou_ | i should really save up and get a pc that's not 10 years old |
| 05:46.38 | andreou_ | oh it's alsaconf |
| 05:46.42 | hatter | !qotd2 |
| 05:46.42 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
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| 05:48.35 | andreou_ | oh it has a gui |
| 05:48.36 | andreou_ | joy |
| 05:48.57 | hatter | andreou, to make you feel alll goooo-ey |
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| 05:49.23 | andreou_ | heh |
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| 05:50.57 | ivx | hey my /var/log folder is huge, 137 gig, what exactly is all that? do I need it? |
| 05:50.57 | andreou_ | system load at 3.41, nice ;p |
| 05:51.19 | hatter | ivx, are you serious ? |
| 05:51.32 | andreou_ | ah crap |
| 05:51.42 | ivx | hatter, serious about what, the size? or if i need it all? |
| 05:51.54 | Supaplex | ivx: the size :P that's ginormous |
| 05:51.54 | andreou_ | alsaconf failed to insert the driver, though the card was found |
| 05:51.59 | hatter | the size, is /var in its own partition ? |
| 05:52.12 | hatter | or / in one large partition ? |
| 05:52.25 | Supaplex | or does he really mean du -sh /var/log ? |
| 05:52.43 | ivx | i have one large partition, plus the swap |
| 05:53.07 | ivx | in the main file system, i go to /var/log |
| 05:53.09 | andreou_ | Guerin any ideas? |
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| 05:53.17 | N0body | gonna go now, cya |
| 05:53.20 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 05:53.20 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of starving platypuses. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 05:53.42 | andreou_ | heh |
| 05:53.51 | Guerin | andreou_: that means the resources need to be specified when the module is loaded, i guess |
| 05:54.13 | ivx | so does anyone know if those log files are needed, or can they be deleted |
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| 05:54.26 | andreou_ | so just modprobe ... io= irq= dma=? |
| 05:54.43 | hatter | ivx, did you do as Supaplex suggested ? du -sh /var/log ? |
| 05:55.12 | hatter | ivx, log files are for you. they are your friend. |
| 05:55.16 | Guerin | ivx: you probably don't need all of them. I suggest you configure logrotate to be more aggressive |
| 05:55.16 | Supaplex | andreou_: /sbin/modinfo <module> |
| 05:55.28 | ivx | hatter, oh didn't know that was at me, sorry, |
| 05:55.48 | andreou_ | yes, i checked that; it doesn't have an io base addr option |
| 05:55.57 | hatter | ivx, just to see if you are really seeing the size of the /var/log directory |
| 05:55.58 | Supaplex | hatter: well, he wanted a syslog backup. you know, hd < /dev/hda | logger -t hexdump-backup ;) |
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| 05:56.25 | ivx | hatter, guerin 132G /var/log |
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| 05:56.35 | hatter | ivx, what distro ? |
| 05:56.41 | ivx | debian etch |
| 05:56.47 | simonrvn | Penix: wow, how are you? LTNS (repost, got diconnected) |
| 05:56.54 | hatter | which files are the big ones ? |
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| 05:57.52 | ivx | hatter, what command will list the files and their sizes? |
| 05:57.55 | Supaplex | ivx: use http://rafb.net/paste and show us ls -laR /var/log if you want. |
| 05:58.01 | hatter | ivx, ls -la |
| 05:58.11 | Guerin | ivx: bollocks to that |
| 05:58.27 | Guerin | use du -sk --max-depth 1 |sort -n |
| 05:58.40 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 05:58.41 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
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| 05:59.44 | ivx | supaplex, that doesn't say the file sizes, |
| 05:59.47 | nevyn | to verify consistancy of complex config changes over a reboot it's sometimes a good idea |
| 06:00.44 | Supaplex | ivx: do you know how to read ls? man ls. maybe you expected -h in there to or something. |
| 06:01.07 | simonrvn | ls --help | pager |
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| 06:02.10 | andreou_ | nah tried the suggested port/irq/dma1 values, nothing. alsaconf -P reports it can use that card |
| 06:02.11 | ivx | oh i found what was taking up so much space, it is the /var/log/mysql folder 131 gb |
| 06:02.25 | Supaplex | nice |
| 06:02.25 | andreou_ | any way to scan for useful addresses? the bios doesn't provide much info |
| 06:02.36 | Guerin | andreou_: pnpdump |
| 06:02.41 | simonrvn | god damn, don't you logrotate? |
| 06:02.54 | andreou_ | Guerin 'tisn't there |
| 06:03.02 | Supaplex | I bet it's mysql brain dead concept of forever binary logging |
| 06:03.09 | Guerin | isapnpdump? |
| 06:03.11 | Guerin | or something |
| 06:03.23 | Guerin | i suppressed all my memories of isa |
| 06:03.24 | andreou_ | nah neither |
| 06:03.28 | ivx | isn't there a log rotate in place already? |
| 06:03.32 | simonrvn | i rotate those too, well "it" does, since i told it to... |
| 06:04.08 | ivx | can you point me to how to do that? |
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| 06:04.22 | ivx | do you know of any docs? |
| 06:04.24 | Supaplex | simonrvn: I guess he could email that to the mysql package maintainer, and ask him to make it smaller? ;) |
| 06:04.38 | Supaplex | </joke> |
| 06:04.50 | simonrvn | dev.mysql.com/docs or something... nothing googl can't tell you |
| 06:04.56 | simonrvn | Supaplex: hehe |
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| 06:05.43 | Supaplex | ivx: 1m, I know it's in /etc/mysql/my.cnf - binlog max size or something. (checking my underpowered radius failover box) |
| 06:06.10 | Supaplex | max_binlog_size = 100M |
| 06:06.26 | ivx | so if i addjust it to that will it clean up also? |
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| 06:07.00 | simonrvn | it'll keep it to that |
| 06:07.02 | Supaplex | ivx: that should keep it under control. /etc/init.d/... restart when you're done. |
| 06:07.51 | kryptoz | which file should i edit to make the sysklogd to listen as a logserver ? |
| 06:07.59 | ivx | that's already in there expire_logs_days= 10 max_binlog_size = 100M |
| 06:08.05 | Supaplex | kryptoz: /etc/default/syslogd I believe |
| 06:08.30 | Supaplex | ivx: well, are you logging queries to or something? what file is big? |
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| 06:08.54 | kryptoz | Supaplex: thank you. got it :) |
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| 06:09.28 | Zap-W | hey what provides better nfs perfomance tcp or udp |
| 06:09.46 | Guerin | Zap-W: meaningless question |
| 06:09.48 | ivx | Supaplex, most of the files are named msql-bin.00000 (bunch of numbers) |
| 06:10.00 | ivx | and about 25 megs |
| 06:10.16 | Zap-W | Guerin: so why not have only udp support why also tcp |
| 06:10.19 | simonrvn | expire them more quickly then |
| 06:10.28 | simonrvn | like 4-7 days |
| 06:10.50 | ivx | simonrvn, so when i restart mysql will it clean the old ones? |
| 06:11.01 | Guerin | Zap-W: performance is not the only concern with network filesystems |
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| 06:11.35 | simonrvn | !ops possible spam bots: aLen KahiN -- same hostname/mask: n=java@server.ivinskis.kursenai.lm.lt has joined |
| 06:11.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: possible spam bots: aLen KahiN -- same hostname/mask: n=java@server.ivinskis.kursenai.lm.lt has joined |
| 06:11.43 | Guerin | Zap-W: all other things equal, udp tends to be lower overhead, but in reality it will depend heavily on the specifics of the application and the netowkr |
| 06:12.08 | simonrvn | sometimes UDP will be more overhead |
| 06:12.15 | Guerin | yes |
| 06:12.22 | simonrvn | from bandwidth usage |
| 06:12.40 | Zap-W | for doing NFS on root , diskeless machines which one would be more appropiate |
| 06:12.43 | Guerin | i think there's a discussion of the pros and cons int he nfs doc |
| 06:13.09 | Guerin | Zap-W: the one you decide on after running various tests and benchmarks |
| 06:14.51 | rahul | PENIX |
| 06:14.52 | Supaplex | I think UDP is older, but possibly problematic in some sitatuions, and thus TCP was provided (but not compatible with UDP only hosts) - I might have pulled that out of thin air, but it's up to you to research it anyway. Figure out why both are available now. |
| 06:15.04 | rahul | !penixstrike penix |
| 06:15.04 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 06:15.27 | simonrvn | i remember setting that up for TCP, less overhead from continually sending packets requested, and better reliability |
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| 06:15.34 | Zap-W | yes there must be a reason why nfs4 uses tcp only now |
| 06:15.44 | simonrvn | Supaplex: you're correct |
| 06:15.54 | andreou_ | probing legacy devices, alsaconf finds the device but fails to load it |
| 06:15.57 | Supaplex | it's amazing what the greymatter recalls. :) |
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| 06:16.11 | simonrvn | yeh, you need TCP for encryption |
| 06:16.14 | Zap-W | will do a research on that |
| 06:16.32 | simonrvn | it'd be just too much bandwidth use otherwise |
| 06:16.56 | Supaplex | let the kernel+tcp/ip stack worry about it. |
| 06:17.02 | simonrvn | nfsv4 can be set up in 3 different ways, some include encryption |
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| 06:21.01 | andreou_ | nah... finds the OPL3 board but can't find the soundcard. any other ideas? |
| 06:21.22 | Guerin | andreou_: here's a nickel, kid, go buy a real sound card |
| 06:21.26 | Supaplex | andreou_: has that card worked in some other $OS? |
| 06:21.46 | Supaplex | !diminishing returns |
| 06:21.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, diminishing returns is where you spend more money/time/resources to get LESS in return. What's your cost worth? |
| 06:21.48 | nvz_ | heh |
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| 06:22.07 | Zap-W | how does the client know when a packet was lost in UDP if it's connectionless |
| 06:22.08 | Supaplex | dpkg: good bot |
| 06:22.08 | dpkg | :), Supaplex |
| 06:22.13 | Guerin | um, that's not the law of diminishing returns |
| 06:22.34 | andreou_ | Supaplex yah it worked in netbsd and win98 |
| 06:22.58 | Supaplex | andreou_: ok, so we know it works. and you have some other way to find out what values they were. right? |
| 06:23.17 | andreou_ | not really; it was probed automatically |
| 06:23.18 | sandman | Is there a way to set GNOME up where if I hit the power button, the computer shuts down? |
| 06:23.37 | nvz | Guerin: I've never heard of the "Law of Diminshing Returns" but that factoid says nothing about a law. |
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| 06:24.29 | Supaplex | and besides, it's a factoid. not a wikipedia. |
| 06:24.35 | Guerin | nvz: it's clear that the person who wrote it knows nothing of the law of diminishing returns, which is the idea that as something gets older, it gets less valuable |
| 06:24.39 | Supaplex | but enlighten us o wise Guerin. |
| 06:24.53 | weitzman_ | I'd like to have the packages from Debian unstable, but I don't want my computer to die. How frequently does Debian unstable break things? |
| 06:24.58 | Supaplex | it could be new. that's called depreciation. |
| 06:25.08 | Guerin | weitzman_: whenever it wants to |
| 06:25.18 | Supaplex | weitzman_: have you considered backports? |
| 06:25.19 | weitzman_ | Guerin: I was afraid of that |
| 06:25.28 | weitzman_ | Supaplex: Huh-wha? |
| 06:25.29 | Guerin | weitzman_: backposts, or testing, is the answer |
| 06:25.34 | Supaplex | !tell weitzman_ -about backports |
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| 06:25.55 | nvz | Guerin: seems its saying the same thing but not limiting the investment to time or the return to money its more general |
| 06:26.02 | weitzman_ | It sounds like that's probably what I want |
| 06:26.07 | weitzman_ | So thanks! |
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| 06:26.54 | nvz | ... and many things get more valuable with time. |
| 06:27.29 | Guerin | nvz: yes, it's much more complicated than a one-line explanation. |
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| 06:29.16 | Supaplex | take staying up far too late, while still working on a tough problem. There's a point where it's more effective for you to get sleep and continue working after you wake up, in comparison to working another 40 hours straight on the issue. |
| 06:29.22 | andreou_ | ok it found the generic cs4231, let's see |
| 06:31.36 | nvz | Guerin: Yeah most things are. |
| 06:32.06 | andreou_ | ah weirdness ensues |
| 06:32.14 | wAndyw | @Supaplex: full ACK. |
| 06:32.22 | andreou_ | cs4231 loaded ok, mpg321 plays the .mp3, but no sound is heard |
| 06:32.41 | nvz | idk so far taking that 24mb back from my Onboard ProSavage4 seems to have been allowing my system to run more smoothly |
| 06:32.43 | Supaplex | andreou_: mixer muted? |
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| 06:33.09 | andreou_ | nah, mixer levels are ok |
| 06:33.15 | sid | This package is fucking up dpkg, lftp. There is no remove script for it or something. what can I do? |
| 06:33.33 | sid | I tried to do "dpkg -r --force-all lftp" but that just returns an error. |
| 06:33.44 | nvz | I totally need a new computer. something not-compaq/hp |
| 06:33.48 | Supaplex | sid: "an error" is too vague. |
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| 06:34.03 | sid | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.03 | sid | 02:32 [ Ciantic ] [ firedemon ] [ knubbze_ ] [ nite613 ] [ shay ] [ yeager ] |
| 06:34.09 | sid | woops |
| 06:34.17 | sid | dpkg: error processing lftp (--remove): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 06:34.21 | sid | that is the error Supaplex |
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| 06:34.59 | sid | I'm doing a dist-upgrade, if I go to /var/cache/apt/archives; and do dpkg -i --force-all lftp*deb; it gives me same error, as dpkg -r --force-all |
| 06:35.08 | andreou_ | after the 15th frame, decoding stops but the program doesn't fail |
| 06:35.31 | sid | dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 06:35.32 | sid | dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ... |
| 06:35.32 | sid | dpkg: error processing lftp_3.5.10-2_i386.deb (--install): there is no script in the new version of the package - giving up |
| 06:35.32 | dpkg | sid: that's too long |
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| 06:35.47 | sid | That is the error I get from dpkg -i --force-all |
| 06:36.00 | simonrvn | report a bug |
| 06:36.09 | Supaplex | sid: you can add 'exit 0' to line 2 of /var/lib/dpkg/info/lftp.postrm |
| 06:36.32 | Supaplex | sid: but you might want to review the postrm script to spot any gotchas. |
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| 06:37.10 | sid | /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --auto ftp |
| 06:37.10 | sid | exit 0 |
| 06:37.19 | sid | Supaplex: that script only has two lines.(the second I just added) |
| 06:37.52 | Supaplex | line one should be #!/bin/sh or something. :P what happens when you run /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --auto ftp directly? |
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| 06:38.29 | sid | lalaland:/var/cache/apt/archives# /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --auto lftp |
| 06:38.29 | sid | No alternatives for lftp. |
| 06:38.41 | Supaplex | read carefully. |
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| 06:38.56 | sid | I'll just install ftp |
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| 06:39.59 | Supaplex | sid: you had a typo. --auto lftp != --auto ftp |
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| 06:40.41 | sid | Supaplex: o |
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| 06:42.22 | Supaplex | so, what happens? |
| 06:42.35 | sid | ok, it's finishing my dist-upgrade. |
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| 06:42.46 | sid | After I install ftp, it lets me purge lftp(since it's broken right now) |
| 06:43.05 | sid | sucks that by default you are forced to have an ftp client heh |
| 06:43.13 | jeff2 | how can I use dpkg -i to install a .deb, including dependencies? or is it impossible? |
| 06:43.33 | liable | you can force it and then use -f with apt |
| 06:43.48 | liable | --force-depends, apt-get -f install |
| 06:43.56 | Supaplex | sid: well, we don't label it stable for obvious reasons. :) |
| 06:44.08 | liable | usually works if the depends are satisfiable |
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| 06:45.48 | jeff2 | liable, thanks |
| 06:46.02 | liable | yw |
| 06:46.04 | Supaplex | liable: since when were depends satisfying? tell us about your mother. ;) |
| 06:46.11 | simonrvn_ | oh ffs |
| 06:46.26 | simonrvn_ | what's with the disconnects today? |
| 06:46.49 | Supaplex | the internet time-space-connectium is low on blinker fluid. |
| 06:47.03 | liable | Supaplex: my mother says i am the best looking and smartest man in teh world! |
| 06:47.34 | Supaplex | so dad's #2 now? ;) |
| 06:47.46 | liable | dads in jail |
| 06:48.11 | Supaplex | that would knock him down atleast a notch on tEh smart scales. |
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| 06:51.39 | kie27 | greetings all, have been getting some errors, such as kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }, hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, and when trying to rsync have started getting errors failed: Read-only file system (30), i am running debian etch, is my hard drive dying? |
| 06:51.54 | liable | yep |
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| 06:52.03 | kie27 | :( |
| 06:52.29 | liable | kie27: its mounted ro, copy what you can whilst you can |
| 06:52.33 | Supaplex | time to buyanewone |
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| 06:53.13 | liable | kie27: then try and do fscks and whatever other drive fixing things there are |
| 06:53.26 | Supaplex | kie27: what kind of drive is it? how long ago did it start doing this? some drives don't like dma, but that's rare these days. |
| 06:53.38 | kie27 | liable: thanks this is my backup machine, my other machines back up to this one, so i am covered in this respect anyway |
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| 06:54.39 | kie27 | Supaplex: the machine is about 4 years old , seagate 80gb i think |
| 06:54.58 | Alessio | :OOOO |
| 06:55.03 | Alessio | debian rulez! |
| 06:55.24 | Supaplex | ahh. 500gb drives are $99 with free shipping. might have to be paitent/know where to look. (I'm set on storage, so I haven't paid attention recently( |
| 06:55.49 | liable | i cant even fill an 80G drive. |
| 06:56.05 | cmacis | Supaplex: amazon had a 250gb external hd for about £50 (about $100) |
| 06:57.08 | Supaplex | I've seen 320gb for $99, and even a 500gb for $119, but they go quick. I was scouring frys.com among others. |
| 06:57.13 | kie27 | Supaplex: it just started giving this error last night! |
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| 06:58.11 | kie27 | unfortunately it's not that easy to fix it since i am in HK and my machine is in a data centre in London! |
| 06:59.04 | liable | a short swim |
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| 06:59.25 | liable | fat tubes? |
| 06:59.46 | simonrvn_ | no man, ph4t t00bs |
| 06:59.54 | simonrvn_ | i don't drink beer |
| 06:59.58 | vchrizz | i loaded ntfs and vfat module but when i try to mkfs -t vfat or mkfs -t ntfs i get the error mkfs.vfat: No such file or directory .. what do i have to do about that? |
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| 07:00.44 | unisky | i drink beer |
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| 07:01.14 | _cheerio | How do i boot if it freezes on Starting Appletalk services |
| 07:01.15 | liable | i dont know you, no beer for you! ;) |
| 07:01.20 | _cheerio | says it will take a while, but its been 15minuets |
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| 07:01.37 | unisky | :(( |
| 07:01.39 | simonrvn | i'll have pop or juice though thanks ;) |
| 07:01.45 | kie27 | thanks all! bye |
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| 07:06.55 | Matt4781581 | does anyone know about launchd? |
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| 07:14.51 | wfq | hello |
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| 07:16.05 | wfq | i am recompiling my driver for my ipw2200 wifi-card in my laptop on debian-sarge. The question is, when recompiling ieee80211 the script asks me to remove the old files found in my kernel, so what should i do? |
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| 07:17.03 | JDStone | anyone familiar with apcupsd? |
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| 07:17.31 | liable | wfq: let it remove them |
| 07:17.47 | liable | wfq: is this not covered in the readme? |
| 07:18.10 | andreou_ | well the modprobe works and all the relevant modules are loaded |
| 07:18.38 | andreou_ | but cat </dev/urandom >/dev/[audio|dsp] gives I/O error which probably causes the mpg321 to get stuck in the first frames |
| 07:18.43 | andreou_ | any ideas on causes/solutions? |
| 07:19.56 | wfq | liable, that is the strange one, i can't find it in the read |
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| 07:20.56 | liable | wfq: let it remove the old modules, it will patch the kernel and use the new ones |
| 07:21.17 | liable | wfq: you should upgrade to etch though, ipw2200 is in the etch kernel by default |
| 07:21.18 | wfq | i think so |
| 07:21.45 | wfq | liable i have recompiled my kernel into 2.6.20 |
| 07:21.58 | liable | wfq: then you have it in that kernel too |
| 07:22.05 | liable | no need to do anything.. |
| 07:22.17 | liable | why am i having a deja vu moment? |
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| 07:27.47 | C64Freak_ | hi guys! I have ATI mobility radeon M7 LW 7500 in my ASUS L3800C laptop. What driver should I use for it? |
| 07:27.58 | C64Freak_ | I use etch |
| 07:28.00 | jerome | I have some problems with mutt print. It prints OK but the font is ugly. Any tip ? |
| 07:28.05 | liable | r200 iirc |
| 07:28.09 | jerome | I guess this is TeX related. |
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| 07:32.21 | mike__ | hi thar, anyone running debian testing having trouble with nvidia-glx (the userspace libraries)? Apparently xorg can't find the kernel module even though its loaded etc etc |
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| 07:34.24 | Azar | liable: speaking of... r500 has an initial driver release |
| 07:34.50 | liable | Azar: ya, i saw the news. no 3d, but good news non the less |
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| 07:35.39 | Azar | they are working on the 3D |
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| 07:35.54 | Azar | you read at lwn.net, right? |
| 07:36.01 | liable | yup |
| 07:36.05 | ALarm | goodmorning, whats the package so that my gtk application applications use the same look and fonts as the one of kde ? |
| 07:36.28 | cahoot | C64Freak_, my laptop uses that video and radeon module |
| 07:36.48 | C64Freak_ | cahoot: and is it working? |
| 07:37.02 | cahoot | yes |
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| 07:37.15 | ALarm | gtk2-engines ? |
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| 07:38.16 | C64Freak_ | well - i don't have any problems with display. I have 1440x1050 resolution 60Hz, but I have no 3D acceleration. |
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| 07:39.27 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:39.28 | seek | I have 1GB of RAM /w 4200+ x2 Athlon. I need to run Windows XP (for web dev apps) inside of VMWare on Linux - Is Debian the distro to do this on? |
| 07:39.55 | seek | ah.. this is an am2, btw so it's DDR2 800 |
| 07:40.22 | seek | I've been thinking I should upgrade to 2GB of DDR2, so each OS can have a gig |
| 07:41.45 | cahoot | C64Freak_, neither do I but that is irrelevant on the system |
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| 07:42.04 | C64Freak_ | it's not irrelevant on mine |
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| 07:46.37 | hatter | C64Freak_, there is an ATI closed source binary blob, but i think the radeon driver supports 3d |
| 07:46.46 | hatter | the ati drive is fglrx |
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| 07:47.31 | hatter | seek, you can use debian for this |
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| 07:48.57 | C64Freak_ | ok, i'm gonna give it a try |
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| 07:52.04 | agike | Hi, I'm getting |
| 07:52.07 | agike | ** (network-admin:5741): CRITICAL **: gail_container_ref_child: assertion `(i >= 0)' failed |
| 07:52.11 | agike | ** (network-admin:5741): CRITICAL **: gst_xml_element_set_content: assertion `no de != NULL' failed |
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| 07:53.01 | agike | Can anyone shine any light on what it means & its criticality ? |
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| 07:57.07 | dacs | i can't run any .wmv files why |
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| 07:59.27 | dimir | You can run, but you can't hide!!!!!11 |
| 07:59.49 | dimir | dacs: try playing them with mplayer. |
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| 08:02.54 | ALarm | seems that i am stepping from the one error to the second :) the system shows me that i got installed Xorg 1.3.0 the package manager 7.2-3 . should i reinstall xorg or how can that mixing up be |
| 08:03.00 | dacs | dimir: Video codec 'Windows Media Video 9' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies |
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| 08:06.55 | dimir | dacs: http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/windows-all-20061022.zip |
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| 08:07.08 | Azar | ALarm: your question is not clear |
| 08:07.20 | Azar | good evening mister LSorensen... :) |
| 08:07.28 | ALarm | the question stands : how can i have Xorg 1,3,0 install on my system |
| 08:07.43 | ALarm | thats after waht X -version shows me |
| 08:07.46 | Azar | ALarm: depends on which Debian version you installed and run |
| 08:07.59 | ALarm | when i see on my package manager the 7.2* installed |
| 08:08.01 | ALarm | debian etch |
| 08:08.18 | paras | channel, when i login to gnome session, my splash screen doesnot shut off.. what might be the problem? |
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| 08:08.32 | Azar | ALarm: so you run the stable version. It comes with xorg (whicever version) . Why are you wanting to get something else? |
| 08:08.35 | marckie | hi. is there any one-liner shell script i can use so that all files created in one directory are automatically copied to another? |
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| 08:09.12 | SlayerXP | marckie: yes "man rsync" |
| 08:09.15 | Azar | ALarm: is the xorg version you have not running? breaks? |
| 08:09.28 | ALarm | cause the system seems to be messed up ? if u know u installed AsoftWare version 3.0 , and u see on ur system AsoftWare version 0.9 wouldnt u wonder ? |
| 08:09.37 | xand | !u |
| 08:09.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 08:09.48 | ALarm | well i am loged on kde , so i guess xorg runs |
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| 08:10.24 | Azar | ALarm: ok so then your question is "my Debian Etch xorg does not work: the errors are....., the symptoms are...." so you get help on fixing it |
| 08:10.39 | xand | obviously it does work |
| 08:10.52 | ALarm | huh ? my xorg does work |
| 08:11.02 | xand | what are you complaining about then? |
| 08:11.02 | ALarm | else my nvidia drivers wouldnt work either, neither i could log onto kde |
| 08:11.18 | Azar | ALarm: to make the long story short: You installed and run Debian 4.0, Etch, the stable version. It comes with what it comes. Packages are not upgreadable but ONLY for security patches. |
| 08:12.22 | ALarm | about the version. X -version shows me xorg 1.3.0 installed ,and on the package manager i see 7.2* installed |
| 08:12.22 | xand | nevermind about that |
| 08:12.22 | ALarm | i use testing |
| 08:12.22 | Loady | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.22 | Azar | ALarm: Etch is NOT testing |
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| 08:12.22 | ALarm | and even with stable i remember before the reinstall of debian i had xorg 7.* |
| 08:12.22 | Loady | eeep |
| 08:12.22 | cahoot | ALarm, changed kernel or what? |
| 08:12.22 | ALarm | not at all |
| 08:12.23 | xand | ALarm: you can't possibly have 1.3.0 |
| 08:12.23 | cahoot | he has |
| 08:12.23 | ALarm | the kernel is the same |
| 08:12.24 | ALarm | 2.6.18 |
| 08:12.36 | xand | ALarm: does it say "X Window System Version 1.3.0"? |
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| 08:13.03 | ALarm | X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 1.3 |
| 08:13.26 | ALarm | X Window System Version 1.3.0 |
| 08:13.26 | ALarm | Release Date: 19 April 2007 |
| 08:13.26 | ALarm | X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 1.3 |
| 08:13.31 | Azar | < ALarm> debian etch .... then .... < ALarm> i use testing ??? make up your mind |
| 08:13.47 | codeRat | hi, I have a problem with evdev. I have debian unstable installed and everything works fine. except I can't set the protocol of my mouse to be evdev. I wrote it in /etc/modules, I set modprobe evdev and still get the error when X start: "Unkonown protocol". Any idea? |
| 08:13.50 | cahoot | ALarm, that's lenny/testing right? |
| 08:13.57 | ALarm | i have debian etch installed and upgraded distro to testing |
| 08:14.05 | Azar | ah ok |
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| 08:14.44 | cahoot | ALarm, using nvidias driver? |
| 08:14.53 | ALarm | yes. the work normally as far i saw |
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| 08:14.53 | xand | debian website down? |
| 08:15.16 | ALarm | i installed them this time from the .run binary and and not the repository |
| 08:15.33 | Azar | codeRat: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then try PS/2 /dev/psaux.. |
| 08:15.49 | cahoot | ALarm, ok so you'll have to reinstall nvidia driver |
| 08:15.51 | dacs | dimir: how can i find where is my mplayer directory please |
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| 08:16.09 | codeRat | Azar: I need evdev to set all the buttons of my mouse (MX1000) |
| 08:16.15 | codeRat | but I'll try that |
| 08:16.20 | ALarm | ok, i will reconfigure |
| 08:16.46 | hiyah | anyone knows why is it that when i type exit after logging in as root, it will show "No process to run in init level 2" and hang there.. i couldn't type or do anything..but i can log in remotely only |
| 08:16.52 | cahoot | ALarm, *if* you use nvidias installer you need sometning like: sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
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| 08:17.24 | hiyah | INIT: no more process to run in this runlevel |
| 08:17.32 | hiyah | this is the last message i see after typing exit |
| 08:17.34 | bintut | hello all.. how can i change the timestamp of a file? |
| 08:18.04 | ALarm | i did just install bu running sh NVIDIA... |
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| 08:18.28 | Guerin | bintut: man touch |
| 08:18.30 | ALarm | ok,. i reconfigured. let me try now |
| 08:18.37 | Azar | bintut: by accessing the file, type an extra . or something, save it and it will change the time to the time last edited |
| 08:18.38 | Guerin | ALarm: use the debian package |
| 08:18.54 | Azar | Guerin: yehee!! you are the bomb |
| 08:19.09 | dimir | dacs: it looks for multiple directories, /usr/lib/win32 is one of them. You can unpack the crap there. |
| 08:19.15 | Guerin | Azar: boom boom boom boom |
| 08:19.23 | Azar | :) loud and clear |
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| 08:19.40 | qiyong | what's the people's opinion on bzr and svn? |
| 08:19.46 | nocturn | Hi all |
| 08:19.52 | dacs | dimir: thanks |
| 08:20.03 | nocturn | Can anyone help me with a default sources.list file for a 64-bit Sarge? |
| 08:20.05 | qiyong | !bzr |
| 08:20.07 | qiyong | !svn |
| 08:20.07 | dpkg | methinks subversion is a compelling replacement for CVS, or available at http://subversion.tigris.org/ read the book: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/, or it adds: atomic commits and file renaming/copying, very tight network protocol. at #svn |
| 08:20.14 | Azar | damn I lost my Fergusson's night show |
| 08:20.17 | nocturn | The file got missing and I urgently need to put it back |
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| 08:20.36 | Supaplex | !tell nocturn -about sources.list |
| 08:20.38 | dimir | dacs: no problemo, buddy! |
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| 08:20.45 | hiyah | anyone knows why is it that when i type exit after logging in as root, it will show "INIT: no more process to run in this runlevel" and hang there.. i couldn't type or do anything..but i can log in remotely only |
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| 08:21.19 | Supaplex | hiyah: uh your inittab is goofed? did you modify that, or change the default run level? |
| 08:21.19 | nocturn | Supaplex: ? |
| 08:21.38 | Supaplex | nocturn: you asked what the default sources.list was, and I told dpkg to show you. |
| 08:21.42 | Supaplex | !sources.list |
| 08:21.42 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 08:21.51 | Guerin | hiyah: dunno. guess your rc6.d symlinks might be fucked |
| 08:21.55 | dacs | dimir: last question how can i make the mplayer my default one |
| 08:22.01 | Supaplex | nocturn: do you have a /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list ? |
| 08:22.14 | hiyah | exit will run into rc6.d ? |
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| 08:22.19 | nocturn | checking... |
| 08:22.22 | Guerin | hiyah: that's what exit does |
| 08:22.25 | Alarm | nop. reconfiguring xserver didnt change anything on my version |
| 08:22.29 | Guerin | err, shiutdown |
| 08:22.42 | hiyah | err i also notice that shutdown now , it will run into (Ctrl-D for maintenance) or something |
| 08:22.53 | hiyah | my rc6.d is fked i guess |
| 08:22.58 | nocturn | Supaplex: got it, but it's for 32-bit |
| 08:23.22 | dimir | dacs: default for application that uses media player? I guess you should set up each of them. |
| 08:23.22 | Supaplex | Guerin: reboot. init 0 is shutdown. and it's not related to typing 'exit' on the shell. I think he meant logging in from the terminal (eg, not remotely) |
| 08:23.30 | Supaplex | nocturn: apt knows. |
| 08:23.44 | nocturn | Supaplex: I can just add the normal repos? |
| 08:23.49 | Azar | xand: debian website is up |
| 08:24.07 | Supaplex | nocturn: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 08:24.16 | Supaplex | nocturn: yes, it should work. |
| 08:24.19 | hiyah | Guerin: anyway can i trace on which of rc6.d i hang at? |
| 08:24.31 | nocturn | Cool |
| 08:24.40 | Supaplex | you can have the same sources.list on all platforms, and apt/dpkg/etc will use your $arch |
| 08:24.50 | nocturn | So, Can I just copy the sources.list from a 32-bit install? |
| 08:24.51 | Guerin | oh, duh, it's when exiting from a shell |
| 08:24.52 | Guerin | my bad |
| 08:24.55 | nocturn | I still have those |
| 08:24.59 | Supaplex | nocturn: sure |
| 08:24.59 | hiyah | Supaplex: yes i logging in from the terminal not remotely.. exit will give me that emssage and i couldn't type anything |
| 08:25.08 | hiyah | but i can log in remotely |
| 08:25.10 | nocturn | Thanks, that saves me! |
| 08:25.19 | Supaplex | hiyah: was there anything unusual about how this machine was booted? |
| 08:25.23 | xand | Azar: it wasn't |
| 08:25.28 | nocturn | See you guys later |
| 08:25.40 | Supaplex | hiyah: eg, from a rescue disc or something. |
| 08:25.43 | hiyah | Supaplex: it was cloned from another machine.. |
| 08:26.01 | Azar | Supaplex: hehe he might run ubuntu thinking is debian |
| 08:26.08 | Supaplex | hiyah: ok. backup your /etc/inittab, and consider this factoid from dpkg: |
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| 08:26.12 | Supaplex | !confmiss |
| 08:26.13 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 08:26.42 | hiyah | no its not ubuntu |
| 08:26.49 | Supaplex | Azar: oh nocturn? oh, I didn't pay attention, but you get what you deserve. *shrug* hopefully it'll still work. |
| 08:26.59 | Azar | nocturn, not hiyah |
| 08:27.13 | hiyah | ok trying out confmiss |
| 08:27.29 | Supaplex | hiyah: rename /etc/inittab to /etc/inittab.backup first :) |
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| 08:27.53 | hiyah | k |
| 08:27.56 | simonrvn | yeh, don't want that fucked... holy smokes |
| 08:27.59 | Supaplex | and, I'm assuming the inittab was hosed anyway. hiyah, how was it cloned? |
| 08:28.10 | simonrvn | should do backups anyway ;) |
| 08:28.23 | hiyah | Supaplex: it was mounted to the machine that i want to clone from.. |
| 08:28.24 | Supaplex | simonrvn: distro inbreeding! ;) |
| 08:28.38 | simonrvn | yeh yeh ;p |
| 08:28.39 | Supaplex | hiyah: you're ommiting steps. |
| 08:28.40 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:28.59 | bintut | Guerin: thanks.. :) |
| 08:29.14 | simonrvn | been playing with my .emacs for days... it's a project unto itself |
| 08:29.27 | hiyah | Supaplex: i have a script that creates the partitions and copy stuffs.. then it will chroot /mnt/clone/ /sbin/lilo to make it bootable.. |
| 08:29.56 | Supaplex | hiyah: so does it preserve symlinks, permissions and all that? rsync rocks for that sort of thing. |
| 08:30.15 | Supaplex | hardlinks are important to =) |
| 08:30.18 | simonrvn | i should put most of this stuff into autoloads... |
| 08:30.30 | simonrvn | s,to,too, |
| 08:31.18 | Supaplex | humm it's only 2:30am huh. |
| 08:31.24 | Alarm | ok. onces the problem with the xorg cant be solved. why when i try for example to remove kdegames or some simple kde application it wants me to remove also the main kde package ? i remember last time i could remove them without needing to remove kde package |
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| 08:31.28 | simonrvn | where you are ;) |
| 08:31.53 | Supaplex | yes simonrvn. :) |
| 08:31.54 | simonrvn | mr. "i'm in the mid-west" ;p |
| 08:32.04 | Guerin | Alarm: it's aptitude's auto-depends thing. |
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| 08:32.24 | Alarm | Guerin, well the how could i safely remove them last time from the Kpackage ? |
| 08:32.32 | Supaplex | isn't the main kde package just a metapackage? |
| 08:32.40 | hiyah | Supaplex: i used tar to copy |
| 08:32.51 | hiyah | tar cf - \ --exclude=xxxxxx |
| 08:32.54 | Alarm | i cant remember seeing it wanting to remove 'kde' just because i want to remove vim, or kdegames , or kdeaccesibility |
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| 08:33.33 | Supaplex | !metapackage |
| 08:33.34 | dpkg | hmm... metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers |
| 08:33.55 | Supaplex | !info kde |
| 08:34.20 | Alver | Hello. I'm trying to get Debian/S390 running on hercules. I can't get the networking up; has someone got experience with this? |
| 08:34.35 | Alver | The tun0 device is being created and its specs plus routes seem to be fine |
| 08:34.42 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:47 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 08:34.56 | Alver | According to tcpdump, the packets enter tun0 too. They just never appear in ifconfig's TX or RX |
| 08:34.59 | Supaplex | Alarm: I'm sure kde is more than 40kb :) |
| 08:35.13 | Supaplex | Alarm: tun0 is a virtual nic. |
| 08:35.14 | Alarm | what has the 40kb to do with ? |
| 08:35.23 | Supaplex | Alarm: uh nm the nic comment. |
| 08:35.59 | Alarm | so i can remove it safely ? |
| 08:36.01 | Supaplex | Alarm: dpkg -L kde and see what goes byebye. |
| 08:36.06 | Alarm | or i wont have any kde in the end ? |
| 08:36.21 | Alver | Supaplex: I'm Alver, not Alarm... and yes, of course it is, hercules is an emulator. It connects to the host machine via CTC |
| 08:36.21 | Supaplex | is kde-core in the list to remove? |
| 08:36.35 | Supaplex | Alver: I know, my tab complteion foo sucks |
| 08:36.35 | hiyah | Supaplex: what did u want me to do with confmiss ? |
| 08:36.41 | Alarm | alarm@rockpc:~$ dpkg -L kde /. /usr /usr/share and some docs |
| 08:37.03 | Alarm | Supaplex, no |
| 08:37.21 | Supaplex | Alarm: then you should be fine. what in all is being removed? |
| 08:37.30 | Alarm | kdegames, kdeaccesibility, vim |
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| 08:37.52 | Supaplex | you're fine. |
| 08:37.57 | Supaplex | !kde |
| 08:37.57 | dpkg | methinks kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble> |
| 08:38.02 | Supaplex | !install kde |
| 08:38.02 | dpkg | install kde is, like, In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 08:38.17 | Supaplex | see? :) |
| 08:38.37 | Alarm | yeap. didnt know that . thank you a lot |
| 08:38.40 | Supaplex | Alver: what devices does ifconfig -a show? |
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| 08:38.55 | Alarm | ehmm, kde-desktop , from kdebase differs a lot ? in case i will do a netinstall netxt time |
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| 08:39.33 | Alver | Supaplex: eth0, lo and tun0 |
| 08:39.40 | Supaplex | hiyah: you're trying to replace /etc/inittab with the default. so rename it, and do confmiss. if you want, you can paste the current one at http://rafb.net/paste and show us |
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| 08:40.19 | Alver | Supaplex: on the host machine, naturally - on the guest it's rather hard to check since I can't ssh in (gotta love circles) |
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| 08:40.46 | Supaplex | Alver: oh, so you're virtuilizing. I didn't catch that. |
| 08:40.50 | hiyah | !confmiss |
| 08:40.50 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 08:41.07 | Alver | Supaplex: more or less. Hercules is a mainframe emulator, and I'm trying to get debian/s390 running in it |
| 08:41.17 | hiyah | Supaplex: how do u do a confmiss? |
| 08:41.20 | Alver | The installer works fine but I need networking to continue |
| 08:41.30 | Supaplex | I thought it was a crappy monochome monitor :) |
| 08:42.05 | Alver | heh |
| 08:42.08 | Alver | Not quite :P |
| 08:42.10 | Supaplex | hiyah: is /etc/inittab renamed to /etc/inittab.backup ? |
| 08:42.16 | hiyah | yuppp |
| 08:42.32 | hiyah | dpkg -i --force-confmiss --> dpkg: --install needs at least one package archive file argument |
| 08:42.59 | Supaplex | right, apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install sysvinit |
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| 08:43.48 | Supaplex | hiyah: it's sysvinit because dpkg -S /sbin/init says so =) |
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| 08:46.10 | Supaplex | Alver: see if there's any docs on that package. I'm sure google has it for "qemu" in tun/tap situations for a similar fashion. This new toy you speak of is something I might look into here later. :) |
| 08:46.12 | hiyah | ok just a moment |
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| 08:49.58 | Supaplex | humm or maybe the inittab is fine, and you're running in 'init 1'. |
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| 08:50.58 | niklas | hello |
| 08:51.00 | Supaplex | hiyah: since the machine started, were you prompted for a password for root? did it let you login as a normal user if you wanted to? Also, did you start networking or ssh on your own, or call any of the init scripts yourself? |
| 08:51.19 | niklas | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.43 | hiyah | Supaplex: same problem... |
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| 08:51.45 | Alver | Supaplex: I've read pretty much all of the docs a few dozen times. It's just hard to troubleshoot since, well, TCP/IP from a mainframe console is rather nontrivial ;) |
| 08:51.52 | Supaplex | hiyah: run /sbin/runlevel |
| 08:51.53 | hiyah | when the machien start, its asking for a login name |
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| 08:52.28 | Supaplex | niklas: ls -l /etc/apache2/ and you'll see there's apache2.conf |
| 08:52.33 | dfeser_ | hi all! |
| 08:52.44 | dfeser_ | does someone use truecrypt? |
| 08:52.53 | niklas | Supaplex: yes i have apache2.conf |
| 08:52.57 | Supaplex | !anyone use truecrypt |
| 08:52.58 | dpkg | No, no one uses truecrypt, not even the people who use it. |
| 08:53.09 | niklas | but i have always edit in httpd.conf |
| 08:53.12 | hiyah | just a moment i restart |
| 08:53.22 | Supaplex | hiyah: restart what? ... |
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| 08:53.29 | dfeser_ | ?! what do you mean?! |
| 08:53.45 | Supaplex | niklas: grep httpd.conf /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 08:53.57 | Supaplex | !tell dfeser_ -about ask |
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| 08:54.12 | hiyah | that machine..i edited the fstab file to disable it from mounting a network drive |
| 08:54.26 | niklas | Supaplex: i will only find include /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 08:54.46 | dfeser_ | Supaplex what's up?! |
| 08:54.54 | Supaplex | niklas: so you can edit http.conf just fine. it's included. apache2 will use apache2.conf, and include httpd.conf as well. |
| 08:54.56 | hiyah | Supaplex: N 2 |
| 08:55.07 | Supaplex | hiyah: ok, that's good. that's the default run level. |
| 08:55.24 | dfeser_ | im looking for the best way to get my harddisk encrypted |
| 08:55.27 | hiyah | Supaplex: wait i go to the terminal and type that |
| 08:55.34 | hiyah | i was typing it remotely |
| 08:55.35 | hiyah | brb |
| 08:55.55 | niklas | Supaplex: but i wondering why httpd.conf is empty.. i cant find documentRoot in apache2.conf |
| 08:56.34 | Supaplex | niklas: same reason apache 1.3 has effectively empty files. they're not being used anymore, but they're included for legacy/backwards compatibility. |
| 08:56.48 | Supaplex | s/empty/some empty/ |
| 08:56.48 | hiyah | Supaplex: yes its still N 2 |
| 08:57.16 | niklas | Supaplex: but where in apache2.conf will i find the root |
| 08:57.22 | Supaplex | hiyah: after /etc/inittab changes, you can run telinit q to reload. |
| 08:58.23 | hiyah | ok.. |
| 08:58.30 | Supaplex | niklas: I think you want a2ensite, and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ - the layout is different now. |
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| 08:59.20 | niklas | Supaplex: okey |
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| 08:59.32 | Ramattack | hi all |
| 08:59.36 | hiyah | its still the same from the terminal.. |
| 08:59.44 | merlincorey | Ramattack: really, all of us? |
| 08:59.44 | Ramattack | is it possible to create one user with root permisions? |
| 08:59.47 | hiyah | i can't type anything after exit.. |
| 08:59.55 | hiyah | have to restart to type |
| 08:59.57 | niklas | hmm i will read about it now :D |
| 08:59.59 | Ramattack | merlincorey : yep ;) |
| 09:00.00 | hiyah | unless i use remote |
| 09:00.08 | merlincorey | Ramattack: then HELLO! |
| 09:00.29 | Ramattack | HELLO! |
| 09:00.30 | merlincorey | Ramattack: please wait for the packet attack as 700 others say hello |
| 09:00.35 | merlincorey | *grin* |
| 09:00.43 | nvz | Hello |
| 09:00.54 | Ramattack | ok do this last too much? |
| 09:00.55 | Ramattack | lol |
| 09:00.59 | Ramattack | ;P |
| 09:01.06 | Supaplex | hiyah: you have to restart the whole box, right? |
| 09:01.20 | Ramattack | ok mates does anyone know this? |
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| 09:01.34 | piti | Hi everyone, I'm trying to build freepv, which needs zlib. on my system (debian lenny) zlib1g ( + -dev) are installed, but hte ./configure script fails telling zlib must be installed. here is the output of ./configure : http://pastebin.ca/563745 |
| 09:01.40 | Ramattack | could I create a "second" root user? |
| 09:01.42 | Supaplex | Ramattack: use sudo. |
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| 09:02.06 | Ramattack | so all users you can create with useradd are normal users... never root users? |
| 09:02.07 | nvz | Ramattack: a second root user would be insane |
| 09:02.14 | Ramattack | I know I know |
| 09:02.18 | Ramattack | but only wanted to know |
| 09:02.21 | Supaplex | !sudo |
| 09:02.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 09:02.25 | nvz | Ramattack: master the sudo discipline |
| 09:02.41 | nvz | Ramattack: then you can give users specifically what they need in a safe manner |
| 09:02.57 | nvz | Ramattack: root usage should be limited at all costs |
| 09:03.05 | Ramattack | yep I know I know |
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| 09:03.07 | hiyah | Supaplex: yes.. does it got to do with the way i install lilo? |
| 09:03.11 | nvz | every way you can avoid using root is good |
| 09:03.14 | xand | sudo is a security hole |
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| 09:03.20 | wfq | hi |
| 09:03.26 | nvz | xand: only if used improperly |
| 09:03.29 | xand | the way it's setup... using user passwords... what were they smoking |
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| 09:03.35 | xand | nvz: if used the default way |
| 09:03.41 | Ramattack | lol I'm gonna tell you my really fear |
| 09:03.48 | nvz | xand: by default it does nothing |
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| 09:03.59 | wfq | i am compiling a driver for my ipw2200 wifi-card. The problem i am getting |
| 09:04.05 | Supaplex | hiyah: well, you'e in init2 right now, and that's typical. so with a stock inittab, I don't think it applies. you weren't asked for a 'root' only password on boot. Do any of the other terminals work? C+A+F2 etc? |
| 09:04.05 | Ramattack | when I use useradd I won't never create then a user root?? ISN'T IT? |
| 09:04.07 | nvz | xand: no user but root is allowed to use it in debian without configuration |
| 09:04.16 | xand | nvz: yes. |
| 09:04.24 | Supaplex | dumb users are a secuirty hole to, but they're flagged "won't fix" hehe :) |
| 09:04.32 | nvz | heh |
| 09:04.39 | Supaplex | Ramattack: it'll only create normal users. |
| 09:04.45 | Ramattack | ok ok |
| 09:04.51 | wfq | is the makefile is looking for in cp: cannot stat `/lib/modules/2.6.20/net/ieee80211/.tmp_versions/*.mod': No such file or directory |
| 09:04.51 | wfq | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.07 | Guerin | wfq: did I not tell you to use a debian kernel already? |
| 09:05.15 | nvz | Ramattack: the system is designed to only allow uid=0, root to have full access |
| 09:05.24 | Ramattack | Supaplex : I was saying myself imagine once you create this... and becomes root.. would be.... |
| 09:05.28 | Ramattack | ok ok mates |
| 09:05.38 | Ramattack | I was thinking like in win machines |
| 09:05.40 | wfq | guerin, this is another topic. the older problem was sorted out |
| 09:05.41 | Ramattack | you could do it... |
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| 09:06.06 | nvz | Ramattack: you couldn't because the files are all owned by root, and you can only have one owner on a file |
| 09:06.11 | Ramattack | I was thinking that if in linux too I should be even carefuler although I'm |
| 09:06.13 | Supaplex | Ramattack: root is 'the' super user. |
| 09:06.21 | Ramattack | I know I know |
| 09:06.23 | Guerin | wfq: and the new problem is the same. This builds automatically on debian kernels; ask your stupid questions of #kernelnewbies on oftc |
| 09:06.40 | Ramattack | but was for ensuring because I said... in win you can lol |
| 09:06.43 | nvz | Ramattack: POSIX operating systems arent anything like windows |
| 09:06.45 | Guerin | wfq: or use a debian kernel and do m-a a-i ipw2200-source |
| 09:06.55 | hiyah | Supaplex: Ctrl-Alt-F2 3 4 5 all doesn't work.. i'm on tty1 .. can't go into another |
| 09:06.58 | Ramattack | ok ok mates |
| 09:07.03 | Ramattack | thanks a lot!!! |
| 09:07.04 | hiyah | however ctrl-Alt-Del do work..it reboots..hehe |
| 09:07.22 | N0body | hiyah: try "init 2" |
| 09:07.30 | Ramattack | thanks a lot everyone! |
| 09:07.35 | wfq | guerin, get away from me. did you understand? |
| 09:07.41 | nvz | Ramattack: windows systems imploy pseudo-security mechanisms at best |
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| 09:07.48 | alanhaggai | Just compiled kernel 2.6.21. How to make initrd? |
| 09:07.49 | wfq | debian is not only using a debian kernel |
| 09:07.50 | Ramattack | should I wait for a you're welcome merlincorey? ;) |
| 09:08.07 | Supaplex | hiyah: your getty might be bad/missing. Did it ever say something about 'init: .. stopped for 10 minutes ... running too often' ? I don't recall the exact message. |
| 09:08.09 | Ramattack | bye mates lol |
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| 09:09.15 | Supaplex | alanhaggai: kernel-package automates that on install of the deb, if the --initrd was used. |
| 09:09.15 | petemc | respawning too fast |
| 09:09.15 | merlincorey | Guerin: You're AWESOME |
| 09:09.20 | merlincorey | Guerin: but seriously |
| 09:09.34 | merlincorey | Guerin: what the fuck have you been up to? TEH WORK stresses? |
| 09:09.42 | alanhaggai | Supaplex: How is that to be used? |
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| 09:10.03 | Supaplex | hiyah: petemc remembered for me. :) has init said anything about respawning too fast? |
| 09:10.08 | Supaplex | !tell alanhaggai -about kp |
| 09:10.18 | alanhaggai | Ok. |
| 09:10.25 | alanhaggai | Thanks Supaplex |
| 09:10.34 | spheard | um, I need a really simple mta that forwards everything to my mail server, which ones easiest to set up? |
| 09:10.50 | Supaplex | alanhaggai: be advised, kp packages are akin to running testing/unstable. there are things that may be unaccounted for while running a newer kernel. (just food-for-thought). |
| 09:11.05 | Supaplex | spheard: nullmailer, I think. |
| 09:11.07 | xand | spheard: use the default (exim4) and set it to use your mailserver as smarthost |
| 09:11.10 | hiyah | Supaplex: in syslog , dmesg and messages ? |
| 09:11.29 | alanhaggai | Supaplex: Oh I see. But I will give try :) |
| 09:12.06 | Supaplex | alanhaggai: no biggie for workstations. keep clear for production servers (if your bottom line can suffer seriously from downtime) |
| 09:12.22 | Supaplex | hiyah: yea, dmesg | grep respawn |
| 09:12.28 | Supaplex | or grep -i init |
| 09:12.43 | hiyah | no |
| 09:12.43 | alanhaggai | Supaplex: It is my home PC. So no problems. |
| 09:12.59 | hiyah | doesn't have any respawn init too fast messages |
| 09:13.06 | spheard | xand, thanks, Ill give it a go |
| 09:13.17 | Supaplex | hiyah: is getty in /etc/inittab? |
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| 09:13.47 | hiyah | only 1:2345:once:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
| 09:13.49 | red | Simple question, how can I disable outgoing SMTP mail from my box. I want to test a process that send lots of emails but I don't want the emails to go out ... |
| 09:13.51 | hiyah | the rest are commented |
| 09:13.53 | red | any thoughts? |
| 09:13.57 | Supaplex | hiyah: and /sbin/getty is alive an well? =) this poor machine. rsync > tar. :) |
| 09:13.58 | hiyah | # 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2 |
| 09:14.00 | hiyah | etc |
| 09:14.08 | red | I don't know much about SMTP, can I just stop the server? |
| 09:14.24 | xand | spheard: "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" I think |
| 09:14.35 | Supaplex | hiyah: ahhh, getty should be respawn :) |
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| 09:15.00 | red | If I stop postfix that kills incoming mail ... but what about catching the outgoing stuff?? |
| 09:15.13 | xand | red: depends, probably |
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| 09:15.31 | hiyah | ok...... so i should uncomment the tty? |
| 09:15.36 | hiyah | getty |
| 09:15.42 | Supaplex | hiyah: here's mine, it's stock. http://rafb.net/p/U48EeG98.html |
| 09:15.46 | hiyah | 2,3,4,5,6 |
| 09:15.48 | Supaplex | yup |
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| 09:17.14 | hiyah | Supaplex: ok...i uncomment them but how come exit would tell me no processes to run and hang |
| 09:17.33 | Supaplex | hiyah: because you had "runonce" not "respawn" |
| 09:17.41 | Supaplex | s/run// |
| 09:18.04 | hiyah | oh |
| 09:18.15 | hiyah | Supaplex: because i have only one tty? |
| 09:18.28 | Supaplex | only one tty, and only one for that runlevel. |
| 09:18.42 | Supaplex | id:runlevels:runwhat args |
| 09:18.48 | Supaplex | man inittab :) |
| 09:18.55 | hiyah | OH! |
| 09:18.56 | hiyah | i got it |
| 09:19.26 | Supaplex | well, s/runwhat/spawn-type:runwhat/ |
| 09:20.19 | hiyah | ic.........why would anyone make it runonce man..damn..ok i try after reboot brb |
| 09:20.32 | Supaplex | check your source clone box. |
| 09:20.40 | Supaplex | you don't have to reboot |
| 09:20.43 | Supaplex | telinit q |
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| 09:21.04 | hiyah | COOL IT WORKED thanks |
| 09:21.16 | Supaplex | yw :) |
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| 09:21.51 | hiyah | yea my source box is the same too |
| 09:21.54 | hiyah | learned something new |
| 09:22.02 | spheard | xand: cheers man! |
| 09:22.06 | Supaplex | hiyah: uh hold on. that inittab you saw is munged. |
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| 09:22.30 | hiyah | munged? |
| 09:22.53 | Supaplex | it was grep getty /etc/inittab. Here's the real one. http://rafb.net/p/Y8v4xc21.html |
| 09:23.01 | vchrizz | i connect my guestos in qemu through user mode network stack and get 10.0.2/24 ip addr but the hosts internal network runs on 192.168.10/24 .. how do i setup qemu to be in the same internal network as the host? |
| 09:23.06 | Supaplex | munged, as in modified. |
| 09:23.23 | Supaplex | different, br0ken. brain damaged. :P |
| 09:23.52 | Supaplex | vchrizz: sounds like qemu faq "network bridge". |
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| 09:23.57 | lkthomas | hey guys |
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| 09:24.21 | vchrizz | Supaplex: ok thx |
| 09:24.23 | lkthomas | I have an existing debian system which is running, can I transfer this running debian system to a new HDD ? |
| 09:24.25 | Supaplex | hiyah: after that's in place, telinit q - and you should be set. |
| 09:25.04 | Supaplex | lkthomas: yea, but don't use hiyah's inittab. it'll cause pain. >:) |
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| 09:25.18 | lkthomas | Supaplex, sorry, what do you mean ?! |
| 09:25.21 | spheard | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.43 | Supaplex | lkthomas: inside joke. is the new hdd larger? |
| 09:25.43 | xand | you probably want the first one |
| 09:26.05 | lkthomas | Supaplex, well, smaller actually |
| 09:26.11 | lkthomas | I just want to skip the installation part |
| 09:26.29 | lkthomas | cp -R /* /mnt/ and then run grub setup, would it work ? |
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| 09:27.15 | Supaplex | lkthomas: almost. don't forget partitions change (/etc/fstab), and I'd use rsync over cp or tar. |
| 09:27.37 | Alver | dd! ;) |
| 09:27.37 | lkthomas | Supaplex, why use rsync if only local HDD exists ? |
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| 09:28.07 | Appleman1234 | after upgrading kernels several partitions are no longer being recognised, does anyone know what could cause this ? |
| 09:28.10 | lkthomas | Alver, DD only for same HDD size clone |
| 09:28.11 | Supaplex | eg, rsync -axuHSvP |
| 09:28.29 | ApEtc | Appleman1234: What sort of error do you get when trying to mount them? |
| 09:28.48 | Supaplex | well, dd will work if you add resize2fs in the mix. |
| 09:28.51 | Appleman1234 | /dev/sda not found |
| 09:28.55 | Appleman1234 | etc |
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| 09:29.17 | ApEtc | Appleman1234: Can you even see the device with cfdisk? |
| 09:29.18 | Appleman1234 | also does debian log its init scripts anyway ? |
| 09:29.25 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: what controller are you using? What's the old and new kernel versions? |
| 09:29.41 | ApEtc | If entire devices (not just partitions) are missing, it sounds like you might be missing a driver for that chipset. |
| 09:30.05 | Supaplex | or he assume initrd would be there to save him. :) |
| 09:30.12 | Appleman1234 | not sure which controller, as it is a vmware image |
| 09:30.28 | Appleman1234 | old kernel version 2.6.16 , new 2.6.2.1 |
| 09:30.33 | Appleman1234 | 2.6.21* |
| 09:30.56 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: why the upgrade when .16 works? Did you compile this kernel? |
| 09:31.11 | ApEtc | Supaplex: I've only lightly tread into the initrd world. If it isn't the boot partition, there are easier (lazier) ways. :) |
| 09:31.26 | Appleman1234 | I upgraded because I was told to upgrade here |
| 09:31.33 | Supaplex | vmware has no significant innovation for hardware requirements. a stock etch kernel should do fine. |
| 09:31.54 | Appleman1234 | and I was trying to get the stk11xx module to compile clean |
| 09:32.00 | Supaplex | ApEtc: kp does all the brainy work for me. :) |
| 09:32.00 | Appleman1234 | which it does on the new kernel |
| 09:32.13 | Supaplex | what's stk11xx? |
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| 09:32.41 | Supaplex | no hits on modinfo, or apt-cache search. |
| 09:32.52 | ApEtc | Supaplex: I should give that method another go then. |
| 09:32.55 | Supaplex | must be uber fancy. |
| 09:32.56 | Appleman1234 | stk11xx is a webcam kernel module from syntekdriver.sf.net |
| 09:33.29 | Supaplex | I see. are you using scsi disks in the guest? |
| 09:34.13 | Appleman1234 | I didn't setup the image, but I believe it has several scsi partitions for /opt/ , /home/ etc |
| 09:34.15 | Supaplex | what vmware product is it? |
| 09:34.25 | Appleman1234 | I am using vmwareplayer |
| 09:34.40 | Appleman1234 | the image is the trolltech greenphone sdk |
| 09:36.01 | Supaplex | mmm ok. *shrug*. if it's really debian (and not just "debian-immitation"), copy a known stock kernel config from /boot/config to the top level kernel source .config, make oldconfig, and use kernel-package and the initrd option to roll a new one. |
| 09:36.12 | Supaplex | !make-kpkg |
| 09:36.12 | dpkg | from memory, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 09:36.25 | lkthomas | Supaplex, out of topic question, does rsync support bandwidth limiting feature during mirror process ? |
| 09:36.57 | Appleman1234 | ok |
| 09:36.57 | Supaplex | lkthomas: sure. it might have an initial load spike, but not more than a few seconds. |
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| 09:37.27 | lkthomas | Supaplex, I mean, what parameter on rsync could I use to do that ? manual didn't mention anything about that |
| 09:37.30 | Appleman1234 | I know make-kpkg |
| 09:37.46 | Supaplex | I think it's make-kpkg --initrd. the module* target pulls in m-a targets to, but I don't think those help you atm. |
| 09:37.47 | ApEtc | rsync would be half-useless if you couldn't throttle it |
| 09:38.05 | ApEtc | lkthomas: bw-limit maybe? |
| 09:38.08 | ApEtc | Just a sec and I'll check |
| 09:38.12 | Supaplex | rsync --help | grep limit |
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| 09:38.14 | lkthomas | ApEtc, thanks |
| 09:38.28 | ApEtc | lkthomas: --bwlimit=xx |
| 09:38.28 | lkthomas | I see |
| 09:38.30 | lkthomas | thanks |
| 09:38.32 | ApEtc | Where xx is in KiB/sec |
| 09:38.37 | lkthomas | :) |
| 09:38.51 | lkthomas | I heard rsync use low bandwidth to compare with other protocol |
| 09:38.58 | anapivirtua | Ola. |
| 09:39.13 | Supaplex | --bwlimit=0.5 yay a 2400 baud modem man! |
| 09:39.18 | lkthomas | LOL :) |
| 09:39.27 | lkthomas | Supaplex, that's what we are using now, LOL! |
| 09:39.29 | lkthomas | kidding |
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| 09:39.38 | Supaplex | hehe :) |
| 09:39.40 | lkthomas | it takes forever to mirror the whole debian release :) |
| 09:39.51 | Supaplex | lkthomas: and .. why? :) |
| 09:40.03 | Supaplex | s/and/but/ |
| 09:40.13 | lkthomas | Supaplex, well, we are on low bandwidth, only 4Mbps connection |
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| 09:40.18 | lkthomas | everytime we connect to a fast mirror |
| 09:40.27 | lkthomas | the whole pipe will be use by installation |
| 09:40.35 | Supaplex | do a lot of installs? |
| 09:40.40 | lkthomas | a lot, yes |
| 09:41.09 | lkthomas | I might limit it to 50KB/sec to mirror at night |
| 09:41.09 | Supaplex | I think there's another tool for that. I doubt you use more than 20% of the packages, overall? |
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| 09:41.28 | lkthomas | Supaplex, hard to tell, sometime server, sometime desktop |
| 09:41.43 | Ventrix | hello. I have a problem trying to upgrade x11-common. dpkg error processing /var/.../x11-common_mplampla.deb trying to overwrite /user/X11R6/bin which is also a package xgl |
| 09:41.45 | Supaplex | !apt-proxy |
| 09:41.45 | dpkg | [apt-proxy] a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237 |
| 09:41.46 | Ventrix | what can i do? |
| 09:42.04 | lkthomas | reading, wait |
| 09:42.17 | Supaplex | Ventrix: upgrading from sarge? |
| 09:42.21 | tenzind | hi, while starting x i get errors like "failed to load module bitmap" and "failed to load module pcidata". What could the problem be? |
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| 09:42.29 | Ventrix | testing, to new version |
| 09:42.50 | Supaplex | Ventrix: xorg > x11 |
| 09:42.54 | Supaplex | !tell Ventrix -about sarge->etch |
| 09:43.05 | Supaplex | I think you missed a dist-upgrade somewhere. |
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| 09:43.45 | Ventrix | again the same error |
| 09:43.48 | lkthomas | Supaplex, does it means that I don't need to mirror the whole release but to use apt-proxy only ?! |
| 09:44.29 | Supaplex | lkthomas: that's right. I've used it for rolling debian-live cd's before. sometimes you want to roll another release after you recall more details :) |
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| 09:45.02 | lkthomas | Supaplex, how is that work, is it repack the running system into deb package and send it to the installing machine ? |
| 09:45.17 | flipflop | hi. I'm running Debian Testing. I tried to set up python2.5 as the default python interpreter, but I messed something up... Now apt-get is trying to update python 2.4 to 2.4.4-6, and I get stuff like "Setting up python (2.4.4-6) ... / Linking and byte-compiling packages for runtime python2.5... / pycentral: pycentral rtinstall: package python-urljr: already exists: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/urljr/__init__.py" |
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| 09:46.12 | Supaplex | lkthomas: it keeps a proxy for debs. it won't repack them. there's .. yet another tool for that to. |
| 09:46.28 | Supaplex | well, it acts like a proxy+caching server. |
| 09:46.33 | hatter | it should be fine to partition a disk with fdisk and make ntfs partitions shouldnt it ? |
| 09:47.08 | hatter | i had a hard drive last week have one partition fail, the next day after copying data to it, the second partition is fine |
| 09:47.26 | Supaplex | Ventrix: ok, there is an x11-common package, but where is x11-common_mplampla.deb? |
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| 09:47.30 | Tobsn | mornin |
| 09:47.38 | Tobsn | where do i set the nameserver on debian? cant remember where it was.. |
| 09:47.53 | hatter | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:48.01 | Tobsn | thx |
| 09:48.09 | Ventrix | in /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common____ |
| 09:48.20 | Supaplex | Ventrix: so /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.0-16_i386.deb ? |
| 09:48.34 | Supaplex | mplampla looks gibberish. |
| 09:48.35 | N0body | going to bed, gnight |
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| 09:48.50 | Ventrix | 1%3a7.2-3_i386 |
| 09:49.37 | Ventrix | the problem is trying to overwrite /user/X11R6/bin which is also a package xgl |
| 09:49.44 | Supaplex | ahh, that's good. it's more normal than I was beeing led to believe for a moment. :) |
| 09:50.21 | Ventrix | i just tried to upgrade to the new version |
| 09:50.26 | Ventrix | and now i have no x |
| 09:51.08 | Supaplex | !info xgl testing |
| 09:51.21 | Supaplex | I thought xgl was oldstable... |
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| 09:52.11 | Supaplex | nope. no xgl package. |
| 09:52.31 | tenzind | hi, while starting x i get errors like "failed to load module bitmap" and "failed to load module pcidata". What could the problem be? |
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| 09:53.24 | Ventrix | Supaplex i do not remember if i mension that before, it is trying to upgrade the following packages: x-window-system, x11-common, xlibmesa-gl-dev kai xserver-xorg |
| 09:54.11 | Ventrix | *mention* |
| 09:54.13 | lkthomas | Supaplex, I see, seems a good idea |
| 09:54.39 | Supaplex | sure it's not glx? |
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| 09:54.50 | Supaplex | nope.. humm. |
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| 09:54.59 | ma3x | my clock keeps autosyncing how do i stop it? |
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| 09:55.24 | zophy | ma3x, what clock ? |
| 09:55.45 | cahoot | isn't that a good thing? |
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| 09:56.22 | petemc | if you want the right time, it is |
| 09:56.42 | Supaplex | he can't wait until christmas. |
| 09:56.49 | petemc | :) |
| 09:57.17 | ma3x | zophy, what clock? on the computer the time |
| 09:57.19 | cahoot | wanting to freeze a perfect moment perhaps |
| 09:57.22 | ma3x | cahoot, no |
| 09:58.07 | petemc | is it a secret? |
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| 09:58.33 | Ventrix | Supaplex anyway, can somehow go back just to have x? |
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| 09:59.22 | ma3x | my clock keeps autosyncing how do i stop it? |
| 09:59.24 | zophy | ma3x, are you running ntpd ? |
| 09:59.26 | Supaplex | Ventrix: I'm searching bts. are you sure it's the "glx" package? ... why would glx not exist in bts? |
| 09:59.30 | ma3x | zophy, i dont know |
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| 09:59.58 | zophy | ma3x, try 'ps ax |grep ntp |
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| 10:00.07 | Supaplex | nm, it's xgl. /lastlog ftw. |
| 10:00.10 | Ventrix | it is the xgl |
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| 10:00.34 | ma3x | zophy, nothing |
| 10:00.40 | Supaplex | humm ok, not on bts. 1m. |
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| 10:01.47 | zophy | ma3x, how do you know it is autosyncing ? |
| 10:02.26 | ma3x | zophy, every time i set the time it goes back after a while |
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| 10:05.44 | Supaplex | ma3x: so it's autosyncing incorrectly? |
| 10:06.25 | ma3x | Supaplex, yes 15 minutes too late |
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| 10:07.38 | Supaplex | Ventrix: bts 362524 might be related, which looks very involved. =-/ I'm not sure why it's playing this way. |
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| 10:08.19 | Supaplex | 15m. how strange. |
| 10:08.24 | zacharias | why |
| 10:08.33 | Supaplex | is there some special timezone tha's skewed 15m? :) |
| 10:08.42 | zacharias | why |
| 10:09.56 | spheard | where do I get a public key for http://ftp.freenet.de etch Release ???? apt-get update is throwing up a missing ey error. |
| 10:10.04 | zacharias | why |
| 10:10.06 | Supaplex | !etch key |
| 10:10.06 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 10:10.19 | Supaplex | zacharias: do you have a debian question? |
| 10:10.26 | zacharias | why |
| 10:10.52 | Supaplex | !ops zacharias mindlessly asks "why" ever since he showed up. |
| 10:10.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: zacharias mindlessly asks "why" ever since he showed up. |
| 10:11.19 | xand | Supaplex: that's all he does on irc, for years, in several guises |
| 10:11.42 | Supaplex | well, my ignore list grows everyday. |
| 10:11.46 | zacharias | xand sucks |
| 10:11.54 | spheard | why |
| 10:12.04 | Supaplex | spheard: was that the key you wanted? |
| 10:12.06 | spheard | if thats not irony I dont know what is |
| 10:12.09 | xand | Y |
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| 10:12.12 | zacharias | because he screws my fun |
| 10:12.15 | spheard | um yeah, I think so |
| 10:12.26 | spheard | Im getting a locale setting issue |
| 10:12.31 | Supaplex | /exec -o yes why |
| 10:12.43 | xand | lol |
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| 10:12.53 | zacharias | supaplex is boring |
| 10:13.08 | xand | says the person with a one-word vocabulary |
| 10:13.20 | spheard | zacharias, go and play in #windows |
| 10:13.45 | Supaplex | this is freenode. he well have to goof off in ##web2,0 |
| 10:13.51 | Supaplex | s/well/will/ |
| 10:13.53 | spheard | If they can deal with ms error messages they can deal with you |
| 10:14.00 | zacharias | supaplex can't even spell |
| 10:14.25 | Supaplex | I had a clean install of win2k3 sp2 bluescreen after blanking a cdrw. |
| 10:14.31 | Supaplex | it was sweet. :p |
| 10:14.37 | Trewas | weird, upgrading to xorg version in unstable made X much faster (with this POS matrox g550)... I didn't think there was any significant speed improvements to be expected |
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| 10:15.02 | zacharias | trewas is weird |
| 10:15.21 | Supaplex | Trewas: yea, the new google-keylogger plugin is faster now. |
| 10:15.27 | Supaplex | HAH psyche. |
| 10:15.38 | zacharias | supaplex sucks |
| 10:15.48 | spheard | how do you ignore? |
| 10:15.56 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.15 | Supaplex | oh, like /help ignore ? :) |
| 10:16.57 | xand | !ops zacharias trolling |
| 10:16.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: zacharias trolling |
| 10:17.04 | wfq | when my debian started said it could not find my firmware for my wi-fi card. I have already included but i don't know how i can launch the wifi driver again. it is like image for this reason i can't use modprobe |
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| 10:17.38 | zacharias | wfq sucks |
| 10:17.41 | spheard | !ops zacharias trolling |
| 10:17.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: spheard complains about: zacharias trolling |
| 10:17.56 | f00li5h | is there anything interesting about libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6)? |
| 10:18.30 | zacharias | poor dpkg |
| 10:18.31 | f00li5h | it seems that something happend when i did a distro-upgrade, and now i can't install php5 anymore |
| 10:18.33 | Ventrix | Supaplex any news? |
| 10:18.54 | spheard | f00li5h: I think the package is broken |
| 10:19.17 | f00li5h | spheard: php, or libc? |
| 10:19.17 | spheard | f00li5h, well it is in sparc |
| 10:19.18 | Supaplex | f00li5h: new security feature. ;) |
| 10:19.29 | f00li5h | Supaplex: not being able to run php is a security feature? |
| 10:19.30 | spheard | f00li5h: whats the error? |
| 10:19.34 | f00li5h | i can see that working |
| 10:19.35 | Supaplex | Ventrix: no :-/ sorry. heh. |
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| 10:19.55 | Supaplex | f00li5h: yes! |
| 10:19.56 | Ventrix | I see |
| 10:19.58 | Ventrix | exit |
| 10:20.10 | Ventrix | see it later |
| 10:20.15 | Supaplex | Ventrix: good luck =) |
| 10:20.17 | zacharias | ventrix sucks |
| 10:20.58 | f00li5h | Supaplex: i've been looking for an excuse to drop support for php ... i was just hoping that it wouldn't be so final, or this soon |
| 10:21.28 | Supaplex | I'm kidding btw =) |
| 10:21.30 | spheard | !etch locales |
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| 10:21.42 | spheard | !etch locale |
| 10:21.42 | zacharias | why |
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| 10:22.39 | Supaplex | zacharias is a gay troll? |
| 10:22.40 | babilen | hi, how do i install recommended packages? when i do "aptitude -r dist-upgrade" recommended packages are still not installed... what is wrong? |
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| 10:22.46 | zacharias | why |
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| 10:24.54 | xand | and don't come back |
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| 10:25.35 | Supaplex | I guess he pissed someone off :P |
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| 10:25.57 | luca____ | hello :) |
| 10:26.00 | f00li5h | Supaplex: so besides laughing at me, and saying my box is now a perl-only webhost... is there something i should read that will tell me of the tampering? |
| 10:27.41 | Supaplex | f00li5h: what does it do when you use it? cgi or modphp? |
| 10:27.56 | f00li5h | Supaplex: "use"? |
| 10:28.04 | Supaplex | you said it don't run |
| 10:28.07 | f00li5h | the php script is offered for download |
| 10:28.27 | f00li5h | i un-installed php and apache, did a dist upgrade, and i can't re-install php |
| 10:28.32 | Supaplex | ahh, that's eaiser than I inferred. |
| 10:28.40 | Supaplex | 1m |
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| 10:29.37 | Supaplex | !php wants me to download still |
| 10:29.37 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. |
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| 10:30.47 | Supaplex | f00li5h: any luck? |
| 10:31.19 | f00li5h | Supaplex: no, i can not apt-get install php |
| 10:31.41 | Supaplex | why? |
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| 10:31.54 | f00li5h | Supaplex: borken depends |
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| 10:32.13 | f00li5h | libc6 seems to be at the bottom of php4 and php5 |
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| 10:33.00 | Esaj | I'm running Debian stable (etch) but I want to install libapache2-mod-python_3.3.1. Any ideas? |
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| 10:33.17 | tarzeau | !simple sid backport |
| 10:33.17 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
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| 10:33.50 | yang | does anyone know the name of the mii NIC module for Sun's? |
| 10:34.12 | Supaplex | yang: there are a couple. happymeal comes to mind. |
| 10:34.27 | yang | Supaplex: that one doesn't recognise my card |
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| 10:34.51 | Supaplex | yang: is it on a pci bus? |
| 10:35.15 | yang | Supaplex: yes a PCI card - ethernet plug and MII (scsi) plug |
| 10:35.30 | Appleman1234 | Supaplex: After further inspection both old and new kernels are debian default |
| 10:36.10 | yang | Supaplex: so far i have tried tulip, mii, happymeal |
| 10:36.10 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: this was for the vmwareplayer guest, right? |
| 10:37.13 | Appleman1234 | Supaplex: yes |
| 10:37.14 | Supaplex | yang: lspci -nn and /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.alias might give some hints. if in doubt, snoop through kernel/drivers/net/ |
| 10:38.28 | yang | Supaplex: which package contains lspci command? |
| 10:38.31 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: it so happens I have a prebuilt 2.6.21-rc5-git6 kernel I built for some test earlier. let's see what breaks on the dummy vmware machine I have ready for it. :) |
| 10:38.49 | toicontento | yang, pciutils ? |
| 10:38.55 | Supaplex | yang: apt-file can search. but it's pciutils. |
| 10:39.07 | yang | ok |
| 10:39.33 | Appleman1234 | Supaplex: interesting |
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| 10:40.43 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: where is the machine download? I think I'll use that instead. |
| 10:41.08 | Appleman1234 | which machine download ? |
| 10:41.12 | Appleman1234 | the trolltech one ? |
| 10:41.16 | Supaplex | yea |
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| 10:41.38 | easytiger | !gnome |
| 10:41.38 | dpkg | gnome is, like, a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 10:41.50 | easytiger | !install gnome |
| 10:41.51 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 10:41.58 | Supaplex | how big is the download? I have 7mbit down. |
| 10:42.42 | easytiger | does gnome require extra repositories to be added? |
| 10:42.54 | tarzeau | easytiger: no |
| 10:43.12 | easytiger | well when i got oto install it it says unmet dependencies |
| 10:44.03 | easytiger | are they in universe? |
| 10:44.44 | nvz | easytiger: which debian branch are you using? |
| 10:45.08 | Appleman1234 | Supaplex:http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=32 around 600mb |
| 10:45.11 | easytiger | well i ran dist upgrade when i had sarge.. so wherever that leaves me |
| 10:45.22 | nvz | easytiger: leaves you at sarge |
| 10:45.32 | nvz | easytiger: unless you changed to something else |
| 10:46.11 | nvz | if you had "stable" in your sources list then it would be etch |
| 10:46.21 | tarzeau | !seen pryzby |
| 10:46.22 | dpkg | tarzeau: i haven't seen 'pryzby' |
| 10:46.22 | Jerom576 | Haven't Seen pryzby |
| 10:46.28 | nvz | but if you have "sarge" then you still have "sarge" |
| 10:46.35 | nvz | that damn bot is still here? |
| 10:46.42 | fengor | 12:44 < easytiger> are they in universe? |
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| 10:46.46 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: so http://www.qtopia.net/downloads/greenphone/qtopia-greenphone-sdk-4.2.2.iso ? |
| 10:46.48 | fengor | doesnt that sound like ubuntu? |
| 10:46.59 | easytiger | opps |
| 10:47.01 | nvz | fengor: I was wondering that too. |
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| 10:47.20 | Supaplex | easytiger: if you're ubuntu material, how did you end up here? |
| 10:47.39 | easytiger | i've used debian for years... just never with a GUI |
| 10:48.01 | fengor | that wasnt the question easytiger ;p |
| 10:48.21 | easytiger | question does not compute |
| 10:48.35 | fengor | if you are using ubuntu we are sorry but cannot help you and if you are using debian where does the universe come from? |
| 10:48.42 | nvz | replace computer and bang head off the keyboard to continue |
| 10:48.54 | yang | Supaplex: Can you spot the other NIC from this list here - happy meal is my first interface eth0, which works correct http://paste.debian.net/30388 |
| 10:48.56 | easytiger | i was asking if there was a universe |
| 10:49.13 | fengor | cause using ubuntu repositories with a debian system is asking to fuck up your box |
| 10:49.14 | easytiger | and i'm not using ubuntu.. i am .. but on in this case |
| 10:49.20 | easytiger | *not |
| 10:49.21 | Supaplex | easytiger: we don't give a flying fat @$*( about the 'child forks' of debian. it's not our obligation. |
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| 10:49.36 | fengor | Supaplex: mind the language please |
| 10:49.38 | easytiger | Supaplex: good cause im not asking about it |
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| 10:49.48 | Supaplex | universe isn't debian. |
| 10:50.01 | Supaplex | fengor: like what? |
| 10:50.13 | nvz | and debian stable doesnt have unmet dependancies when installing gnome |
| 10:50.25 | nvz | else it wouldn't be debian stable |
| 10:50.33 | nvz | so you're lying about something |
| 10:50.33 | easytiger | i had backports enabled when i upgraded.. would that do it? |
| 10:50.49 | easytiger | i had sarge stable.. ran distupgrade |
| 10:50.51 | fengor | easytiger: what does your /etc/debian_version say? |
| 10:50.54 | Supaplex | if something didn't install completely |
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| 10:51.32 | fengor | and paste your sources.list to pastebin please |
| 10:51.32 | easytiger | 4.0 |
| 10:51.35 | fengor | so we can take a look at it |
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| 10:51.40 | nvz | you need to pastebin you /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/preferences then so we could tell what the problem is |
| 10:51.43 | Supaplex | any debian-immitation that's too dumb to put their name on it can fork and still say debian... |
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| 10:52.24 | nvz | any disinformation is going to make the help useless |
| 10:52.47 | Supaplex | exactly =) |
| 10:52.53 | nvz | cause like I said, debian doesnt make stable releases with major packages having dependency issues |
| 10:52.56 | easytiger | http://dpaste.com/12153/ fengor |
| 10:53.25 | Supaplex | "but it's apt ... " won't buy you a free ticket home. hehe. |
| 10:53.51 | fengor | sources.list seems fine to me easytiger |
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| 10:53.54 | nvz | Supaplex: apt has super cow powers.. I don't think it needs a ticket |
| 10:54.01 | spheard | Im trying to work out the relationship between php and exim4, can anyone explain in a couple of sentances? |
| 10:54.10 | Supaplex | !moo |
| 10:54.10 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 10:54.33 | fengor | easytiger: paste the output of aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment please |
| 10:54.34 | spheard | http://www.moonet.co.uk/ :-) |
| 10:54.41 | yang | Supaplex: Can you spot the other NIC from this list here - happy meal is my first interface eth0, which works correct http://paste.debian.net/30388 |
| 10:54.42 | easytiger | http://dpaste.com/12154/ fengor |
| 10:55.09 | Appleman1234 | Yes Supaplex |
| 10:55.24 | geo-rge | Hi, I'm trying to install flash 9 player on an etch system (intel, i686 kernel) I upgraded yesterday. What is the installation path of the iceweasel that the installer wants me to type in? |
| 10:55.26 | fengor | try gnome-desktop-environment instead of gnome |
| 10:55.49 | easytiger | fengor: basically same error |
| 10:55.55 | Supaplex | yang: egrep -i "108e.*1001" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias |
| 10:55.59 | fengor | paste please easytiger |
| 10:56.04 | yang | geo-rge: install with apt-get not through firefox/iceweasel |
| 10:56.13 | easytiger | http://dpaste.com/12155/ fengor |
| 10:56.36 | geo-rge | yang: ok, what is the package name? |
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| 10:56.56 | yang | geo-rge: apt-cache search flash player ? |
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| 10:57.10 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: cool. it's 25% done. |
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| 10:59.11 | nvz | if you were using backports its likely you got pinning in place, so /etc/apt/preferences is relevant |
| 10:59.24 | yang | Supaplex: This doesn't seem like the right driver (also the ETHernet light doesn't flash) alias pci:v0000108Ed00001001sv*sd*bc*sc*i* sunhme |
| 10:59.32 | geo-rge | yang: seems to have worked... thanks |
| 10:59.56 | fengor | easytiger: read nvz remarks ;) |
| 11:00.00 | Supaplex | yang: did you try sunhme? maybe it won't flash until it's up. (ala ifup) |
| 11:00.13 | easytiger | fengor: hmm |
| 11:00.31 | yang | Supaplex: yes, i loaded that but I get no eth: ... in dmesg |
| 11:00.37 | easytiger | is that a file ro directory? |
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| 11:00.46 | fengor | should be a file |
| 11:00.49 | geo-rge | now to watch some spore demos on fora.tv... |
| 11:00.56 | easytiger | fengor: there isnt one |
| 11:00.58 | nvz | might not exist |
| 11:01.04 | fengor | hmm ok |
| 11:01.22 | fengor | what does apt-cache search for the unmet dependencies turn up? |
| 11:01.24 | CyberMad | how to change date and time? |
| 11:01.43 | easytiger | fengor: it shows them up fine |
| 11:01.43 | nvz | idk apparently you didn't upgrade all the way or your mirror is incomplete/unofficial or something |
| 11:01.49 | fengor | btw easytiger you can always try apt-get update and see if that resolves anything |
| 11:01.58 | easytiger | fengor: i did |
| 11:02.04 | fengor | strange |
| 11:02.05 | techbe1 | CyberMad:man date |
| 11:02.06 | easytiger | weill try installing some of the dependencies |
| 11:02.09 | nvz | you should certainly apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 11:02.15 | Supaplex | yang: I know you mentioned scsi at one point. This isn't some hairbrained scsi<->ethernet adapter thingie right? (some apples supported this long time ago) |
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| 11:02.57 | yang | Supaplex: its a PCI card, which has 2 plugs outside ethernet and some small scsi-look-a-like 40 pin MII plug |
| 11:03.04 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: did you setup the vmware machine? or is there a vmware player image on this iso? |
| 11:03.07 | CyberMad | thanks |
| 11:03.44 | Supaplex | yang: ahhh I get it now. will an intel or 3com card fit in its place? |
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| 11:03.58 | Supaplex | yang: seems we have no love with the sumhme. |
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| 11:04.13 | yang | Supaplex: i haven't tried, i don't know if the SUN would support normal PCI net2k cards |
| 11:04.15 | f00li5h | spheard: excelent, that means i don't have to bother powering them myself ;) |
| 11:04.36 | Supaplex | yang: pci is pci. :) I've done it before. |
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| 11:04.53 | yang | Supaplex: ok, i might try that then, if there is no solution |
| 11:05.04 | Supaplex | granted, hp has some very braindead mainboards, but firmware locks out unknown/untrusted devices. :( |
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| 11:05.24 | Supaplex | yay dpkg returns. |
| 11:05.43 | Eclipser | it quit when I asked stuff from it.. |
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| 11:06.56 | nvz | Bhaal: you around? |
| 11:07.11 | yang | Supaplex: mii-tool also says : no MII intterfaces found |
| 11:07.23 | Appleman1234 | I installed vmwareplayer on my host os |
| 11:08.03 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: so is this a live cd? vmwareplayer is .. vmwaredesktop crippleware. |
| 11:08.16 | easytiger | pretty sure that was a packaging bug fengor |
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| 11:08.37 | fengor | i dont think so easytiger |
| 11:08.48 | fengor | its stable, it wouldnt be stable if there are such bugs |
| 11:09.04 | easytiger | there is no way to prove that there are no bugs |
| 11:09.14 | easytiger | fengor: i installed gdm and now the gnome stuff installs fine |
| 11:10.28 | Appleman1234 | it is an install cd, I just mounted it and followed install instructions |
| 11:10.49 | Supaplex | easytiger: debian's release cycle prevents these kinds of bugs from reaching stable. it's atleast 10 days before it's a testing package, and a few months before it's stable (while it passes through the freeze) |
| 11:11.20 | Supaplex | and if you're comingling packages between distros, it's easytiger linux now. :) |
| 11:11.24 | tarzeau | Supaplex: sometimes it can be 5 or 2 days |
| 11:11.25 | easytiger | all i know is it happened. perhaps because of the upgrade procudure |
| 11:11.38 | tarzeau | Supaplex: there also exist direct injection zero day NMUs |
| 11:11.52 | Supaplex | yea, there are exceptions |
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| 11:12.18 | Supaplex | I'm not going to flood us with the whole book :P |
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| 11:13.26 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: so it's not bootable? |
| 11:13.47 | Appleman1234 | as far as I know it isn't |
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| 11:16.57 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: ahh, I found the vmwareplayer image on there. In 10m I'll fire it up on a vmware and take a look. :) |
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| 11:18.51 | spheard | where's the best place to get help with mail |
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| 11:19.54 | toicontento | man, google, psssff |
| 11:20.47 | xand | spheard: be more specific |
| 11:21.19 | spheard | Jun 13 03:09:55 cjd postfix/smtpd[15891]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[89.106.176.158]: 554 <andrew.holway@gmail.com>: Relay access denied; from=<www-data@mail.moonet.co.uk> to=<andrew.holway@gmail.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<cjd-sparc.moonet.co.uk> - I want this to work, but I want to do it safe. |
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| 11:21.53 | spheard | I want to start relaying |
| 11:21.57 | xand | !waytdt spheard |
| 11:22.09 | xand | from where to where using what? |
| 11:23.42 | spheard | from a debian webserver using exim4, mostly generated using php. to a ubuntu/postfix box, Im mirating the ubuntu/postfix to debian/? over the next couple of days |
| 11:23.44 | tdn | What tool do I use to securely erase my hard disc? |
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| 11:24.09 | Rebecca | angle grinder |
| 11:24.21 | toicontento | spheard, that message is from poxtfix |
| 11:24.45 | tarzeau | tdn: sdd or dd |
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| 11:24.59 | tarzeau | tdn: do it like 10 times |
| 11:25.12 | tarzeau | tdn: if you do it once, no software can recover it |
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| 11:25.25 | spheard | toicontento: yeh, from my ubuntu/postfix mailserver |
| 11:25.40 | tdn | tarzeau, ok. Thanks. |
| 11:25.48 | stew | tdn: man shred |
| 11:25.58 | Supaplex | spheard: so you need sasl authentication. |
| 11:26.00 | tdn | tarzeau, just dd from /dev/zero? Or is there any need to use /dev/urandom? |
| 11:26.02 | easytiger | could not open default font 'fixed' when i try to start gdm now. excellent |
| 11:26.09 | tarzeau | tdn: i'd use zero, much faster |
| 11:26.39 | spheard | toicontento: the mail was sent from my web server(exim4) to my mail server(postfix) for delivery, but my mailserver aint exepting mail yet |
| 11:26.43 | tdn | tarzeau, ok. |
| 11:26.51 | spheard | Supaplex: Thats what Im asking |
| 11:27.07 | tdn | stew, ok. So it seems that I should just use shred /dev/hda from a live cd like knoppix? |
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| 11:27.16 | spheard | Supaplex: but yeh, that sounds likely |
| 11:27.36 | Supaplex | tdn: depends on how sensitive the data is. shred is more secure. it'll rewipe a few times, and if the kernel is aware, it'll do its best to overwrite the real blocks in use, instead of a possible on-the-fly relocation of data. (for files). |
| 11:27.49 | toicontento | spheard, the problem as i see it, is that you need to configure postfix, not exim4 |
| 11:27.55 | Supaplex | provided the kernel offers that (yet?) |
| 11:28.08 | Supaplex | but that's explained in the shred man page. (BUGS) |
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| 11:28.59 | Supaplex | spheard: #postfix - ask how to enable sasl auth in postfix so trusted clients can login and relay mail. |
| 11:29.22 | spheard | Supaplex: already there thx |
| 11:29.29 | liable | how do i drop a table with a . in the name? |
| 11:29.38 | toicontento | spheard, if it's on the same subnet, then just add -> mynetworks = 10.10.127.0/24 , and smtpd_recipient_restrictions =permit_mynetworks |
| 11:29.56 | abrotman | the postfix docs cover this |
| 11:29.57 | spheard | toicontento, its a remote machine |
| 11:29.58 | Supaplex | liable: in oracle or mssql? |
| 11:30.03 | liable | mysql |
| 11:30.04 | stew | liable: drop "table.name"? |
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| 11:30.24 | spheard | abrotman, if I get this wrong Im screwed royally |
| 11:30.26 | liable | na, it baulks with '' and "" and () |
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| 11:30.41 | abrotman | spheard: oh really .. in that case .. hire someone that knows how to do it :) |
| 11:31.10 | tdn | Supaplex, ok. |
| 11:31.16 | spheard | abrotman: aha, money |
| 11:32.01 | Supaplex | liable: you know, mysql tables live in /var/lib/mysql/$database/$table.* - incase you get any fits from it. (sounds dumb to allow "." in table names in the firstplace...) |
| 11:32.11 | stew | liable: how did you create it? |
| 11:32.23 | marc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:33.05 | liable | ah, why did i not think of backticks |
| 11:33.21 | Supaplex | a wrong move with "." in the table could be very painfull |
| 11:33.24 | liable | stew: postfix guide |
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| 11:37.25 | anabaino | does anybody use a scsi scanner and xsane? |
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| 11:37.40 | Supaplex | anabaino: on occasion |
| 11:37.55 | tarzeau | anabaino: used to. replaced them all with usb ones |
| 11:38.03 | anabaino | and can you use it? |
| 11:38.17 | tarzeau | yes, but with time it got very unreliable (that's why it's usb now) |
| 11:38.37 | anabaino | I think I'm having some issues with udev, or perhaps is a bug in xsane..., I don't know |
| 11:38.58 | Supaplex | neither do we... fill us in. |
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| 11:39.02 | anabaino | sane-find-scanner sees it, but scanimage -L gets stucked |
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| 11:40.16 | anabaino | cat /proc/scsi/scsi is ok, everything seems ok except xsane, scanimage, that is, when the scanner should start working. In winbugs it works, so it's not a hardware problem |
| 11:41.07 | anabaino | that's output from sane-find-scanner: found SCSI scanner "AGFA SNAPSCAN 1236 1.50" at /dev/scanner |
| 11:41.07 | anabaino | found SCSI scanner "AGFA SNAPSCAN 1236 1.50" at /dev/sg4 |
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| 11:42.11 | easytiger | how do i install the required fonts packages for xorg? it keeps comlaining that the directory doesnt exist |
| 11:42.18 | Appleman1234 | Supaplex, anything ? |
| 11:42.27 | abrotman | easytiger: aptitude install xorg |
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| 11:42.42 | easytiger | abrotman: youd think that wouldnt you |
| 11:43.15 | stew | easytiger: in fact we know for sure that 'aptitude install xorg' installs the required font packages which is xfonts-base |
| 11:43.15 | abrotman | did you try it? |
| 11:43.22 | abrotman | easytiger: what's the actual error |
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| 11:43.40 | easytiger | yes.. i think because of the upgrade the dierectories have messed up |
| 11:43.54 | stew | easytiger: what directories? |
| 11:43.59 | stew | easytiger: are you getting an error? what error? |
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| 11:44.13 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: yea, this shell script is incredibly insane. I fixed that, and it's installing now. |
| 11:44.18 | easytiger | stew: well when X starts it says can't find font fixed |
| 11:44.25 | stew | easytiger: aptitude install xorg |
| 11:44.29 | abrotman | and that means you should aptitude install xorg :) |
| 11:44.52 | easytiger | abrotman: obviously i did that |
| 11:45.06 | abrotman | easytiger: dpkg -l xorg .. what version is it ? |
| 11:45.07 | HostilePenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.16 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: that's a hack |
| 11:45.19 | stew | easytiger: show us your xorg.conf and the output of "apt-cache policy xorg xfonts-base" use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 11:45.34 | wireddd | I am trying to run gnome inside of Xnest, what is the command to start a gnome session? |
| 11:45.41 | wireddd | not gdm or anything |
| 11:45.47 | stew | HostilePenguin: you are telling him to try to run X without the 'fixed' font? |
| 11:45.47 | easytiger | http://dpaste.com/12158/ stew |
| 11:45.47 | liri | to establish software raid1 on an entire working etch system I've connected another hard drive, created the exact same partitions, using mdadm I initialized /dev/md0 for both devices. then at boot, grub got in troubles when trying to access /dev/sda1 which was busy by md beforehand, so I changed grub's settings to locate the root partition at /dev/md/0 which at leasts boots fine but then fsck is complaining an error that the superblock or |
| 11:45.49 | abrotman | /usr/bin/gnome-session .. i think |
| 11:46.10 | tespio | easytiger: try fc-cache --fv |
| 11:46.27 | easytiger | is it safe to manually delete the directories that output complains about? |
| 11:46.49 | HostilePenguin | i have to learn to read |
| 11:46.57 | abrotman | easytiger: you didn't finish your dist-upgrade from sarge apparently |
| 11:47.02 | stew | easytiger: can you show us the complaints? |
| 11:47.04 | easytiger | abrotman: really? |
| 11:47.20 | stew | easytiger: and can you show us your xorg.conf? |
| 11:47.23 | easytiger | http://dpaste.com/12158/ if you scroll down there are some things there |
| 11:47.24 | abrotman | and the fact that xfonts-base doesn't actually install |
| 11:47.31 | abrotman | nor xorg |
| 11:47.35 | anabaino | I tried scanimage -L with debugging and get this after scanner recongition: [snapscan] sane_snapscan_get_devices (0xbff8c358, 0), and then the process gets stucked. Any ideas? |
| 11:47.52 | abrotman | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 11:47.52 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.00 | stew | easytiger: what version of debian are you running? |
| 11:48.22 | abrotman | or trying to run :) |
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| 11:48.29 | easytiger | 4.0 : xorg -> http://dpaste.com/12159/ |
| 11:48.31 | stew | looks like he is mixing oldstable with stable |
| 11:48.41 | easytiger | that doesnt soudn good |
| 11:48.55 | abrotman | it looks lik ehe didn't finish his dist-upgrade |
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| 11:49.22 | stew | easytiger: /msg dpkg sarge->etch ; you should follow the procedure in chapter 4 |
| 11:49.39 | abrotman | easytiger: paste the output of `aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade` |
| 11:49.59 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: kernel installed. rebooting. |
| 11:50.04 | abrotman | where it shows what it's going to upgrade etc ... don't actually do it yet |
| 11:50.16 | abrotman | (i guess there's a dry run option) |
| 11:50.31 | easytiger | abrotman: it wants to install 100MB of stuff so could be a while |
| 11:50.42 | abrotman | easytiger: show us the output first |
| 11:50.57 | stew | the fact that it is supposedly running stable but has that many packages kept back is a clear sign that this thing isn't actually fully running stable |
| 11:51.01 | abrotman | easytiger: it really sounds like you half did your dist-upgrade .. and now your system is somewhere beteween sarge and etch |
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| 11:51.12 | abrotman | which might explain the failing fonts stuff |
| 11:51.17 | easytiger | lol. in limbo.. thanks. i thought it worked ok you see |
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| 11:51.31 | stew | easytiger: becuase you didn't follow the procedure in the release notes |
| 11:51.59 | easytiger | well i couldnt find them because the site was pretty poorly organised at release time |
| 11:52.10 | abrotman | same as it always is :) |
| 11:52.33 | abrotman | erm .. and i didn't mean it is always poorly organized |
| 11:52.42 | stew | it is |
| 11:52.51 | abrotman | it's easy enough to find release notes .. that's for sure |
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| 11:53.22 | stew | yes, it is |
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| 11:53.45 | stew | you go to the homepage and click on "latest stable release of Debian" |
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| 11:56.04 | pzn | can you recommend a package for playing radio streams from command line in a computer without X11? |
| 11:56.08 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: ok, remind me what the issue was? |
| 11:56.24 | Supaplex | pzn: xmms2, mpg123 |
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| 11:56.25 | adriank | guys how do i realise cursor from my virtual box? its an emergency? |
| 11:56.35 | adriank | the name is innotek virtualbox |
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| 11:56.54 | azeem | adriank: what do you mean with "realise cursor"? |
| 11:57.05 | adriank | its trapped in my virtual machine |
| 11:57.05 | adriank | lol |
| 11:57.06 | Supaplex | adriank: what virtuilization software is it? did you mean "release"? |
| 11:57.09 | adriank | i cant get to my host |
| 11:57.14 | adriank | innotek |
| 11:57.25 | adriank | and yes |
| 11:57.25 | adriank | get out of the virtual machine |
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| 11:57.33 | Supaplex | wtf is innotek? is that the name of the machine, or the software running it? |
| 11:57.36 | easytiger | adriank: right control |
| 11:57.44 | Supaplex | eg, vmware, qemu, xen? |
| 11:57.48 | Appleman1234 | Supaplex: the partitions of /opt/ and /home don't show up in new kernel |
| 11:57.57 | easytiger | innotek is the company who release it |
| 11:58.16 | adriank | thanks man |
| 11:58.19 | adriank | i love you |
| 11:58.21 | Supaplex | !innotek |
| 11:58.22 | easytiger | lol |
| 11:58.25 | Supaplex | Linux greenphonesdk 2.6.20 #1 SMP Tue May 29 22:13:19 MDT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:58.30 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: works here. =) |
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| 11:59.12 | py_ | hello |
| 11:59.49 | Appleman1234 | Supaplex: weird |
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| 12:00.05 | Appleman1234 | Supaplex: what was your upgrade process ? |
| 12:00.14 | Havis | can anyone help me?, after system update my nvidia drivers stopped working, nothing helps reinstalling the nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4 (I am using Debian testing) ;) |
| 12:00.33 | py_ | the 2.6.20 kernel I installed on my etch box now detects my IDE drive (previously /dev/hdc) as /dev/sda. Is there a way to get back to the previous naming scheme (some kernel option?) ? |
| 12:00.35 | Appleman1234 | I am running 2.6.21 would that make any different |
| 12:01.14 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: afaik, it was cd /usr/local/src/linux-2.6.21-rc5-git6/ ; cp /boot/config-2.6.18-4-686-bigmem .config ; make oldconfig ; make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 12:01.25 | stew | py_: i'd recommend you switch from using device names to uuids or labels in your fstab and your bootloader, which will make you not care when these device names switch |
| 12:01.30 | anabaino | anything else, if I specify the device like this: scanimage --device-name=snapscan:/dev/sg2, it works. It is an udev problem? |
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| 12:01.46 | Appleman1234 | Supaplex: ok you didn't use stock debian, that is the difference |
| 12:01.49 | Appleman1234 | Thanks |
| 12:02.14 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: I'd be happy to dump it on my apache box, but caveat emptor. I know I ran this to: yes "" | make oldconfig |
| 12:02.17 | liri | probably a good idea to include --revision and isn't it also required to build modules with modules_image && modules_install ? |
| 12:02.52 | py_ | stew: that's indeed what I did. But mondoarchive/rescue gets confused with that stuff... Aditionally, the same kernel which detects my drive as /dev/sda when running debian detects it as /dev/hdc when ran from a mondo-archived cd... That's quite strange, and definitely messing things up. |
| 12:02.53 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: I know I wanted it for /lib/modules/* stuff - so I wasn't really intrested in the new gizmos. |
| 12:03.08 | Appleman1234 | ok |
| 12:03.41 | stew | py_: well the google search term you are looking for is "libata" |
| 12:04.14 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/.appleman1234/ enjoy. |
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| 12:06.33 | Havis | After system update my nvidia drivers stopped working, reinstalling the nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4 doesnt help, I am using Debian testing and my graphic card is GeForce FX 5900, the nvidia kernel module loads but the xserver wont start, so I am stuck with nv driver... |
| 12:06.49 | py_ | stew: thanks. doesn't seem to be an easy problem I'm facing :-( |
| 12:07.29 | stew | py_: i don't know what mondoarchive is. but why does it matter if it sees your device names differently? |
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| 12:08.27 | wireddd | Havis: install nvidia-glx maybe? |
| 12:08.29 | pzn | the PC that I'm using does not have a soundcard (driver not available for amd64 yet). how to setup it for using the network and another PC for playing /dev/dsp? can you give me some package names? |
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| 12:09.07 | Havis | wireddd nvidia-glx is installed :-( |
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| 12:09.35 | stew | pzn: what does "lspci -n | awk '/040.:/{print $3}' " return? |
| 12:09.54 | py_ | stew: http://www.mondorescue.org/ It is a problem because it tries to restore the whole system from the archived copy, and gets confused by the change in the mount list. UUID would be an elegant solution, they should be supported but don't seem to be. |
| 12:10.16 | pzn | stew: it returns nothing |
| 12:10.20 | py_ | stew: I mean theyr're supposed to work according to some things I read, but in fact it seems it doesn't actually work |
| 12:10.56 | pzn | stew: in my new amd64, it returns nothing. in my old pc it returns "1106:3059" |
| 12:11.04 | Appleman1234 | Supaplex: does debian package kernel-source |
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| 12:11.32 | azeem | Appleman1234: do you mean "kernel source" in general, or some specific "kernel-source"? |
| 12:11.48 | stew | Appleman1234: apt-cache search linux-source |
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| 12:12.32 | stew | pzn: you might try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to make sure there really isn't a driver available for your card |
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| 12:13.08 | Havis | wireddd: btw, I am using this kernel package linux-image-2.6.18-4-686, after boot the nvidia kernel module is not loaded, but if I load it (modprobe nvidia) it loads, but still xserver wont start... |
| 12:13.26 | fasta | How do I reverse the sound output to my two speakers? I want that the "left" sound goes "right" and the "right" sound goes "left". |
| 12:13.43 | wireddd | what exactly does xorg complain about? |
| 12:14.08 | pzn | stew: there is a driver for my card. however, with most recent 2.6 kernel, the computer hangs without any message after a few seconds of sound is played. the audio-card is detected and module is automatically loaded. I had to disable sound at Bios, so I can use the computer. |
| 12:14.18 | wireddd | havis: what exactly does xorg complain about? |
| 12:14.20 | Havis | wireddd: wait a moment, I paste it :) |
| 12:14.23 | wireddd | ok |
| 12:14.40 | stew | pzn: which driver is that? |
| 12:16.36 | Supaplex | Appleman1234: the source for this package was from upstream. eg, kernel.org. |
| 12:16.36 | pzn | stew: I dont remember now, lspci does not show it. I can not reboot it right now to enable at bios again. But I'll enable when I can and paste in kmuto.jp to check it! |
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| 12:17.09 | daya | does anyone has done the sound support in ltsp client for ltsp 5.0 |
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| 12:17.21 | daya | in debian etch, |
| 12:17.28 | Havis | wireddd: that my xserver is not set up correctly and it fails to load nvidia kernel module... |
| 12:18.10 | wireddd | can you paste the log into a pastebin? |
| 12:18.15 | Havis | wireddd: but the modele is loaded, lsmod | grep nvidia returns nvidia 4549908 0 |
| 12:18.35 | Havis | wireddd: yes, sec |
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| 12:19.06 | wykis | Is there any application that could be used to monitor how much traffic data there has been transferred on a specific network interface? |
| 12:19.08 | stew | pzn: you could also try compiling a newer version of also for your kernel |
| 12:19.13 | Appleman1234 | the kernel source in general |
| 12:19.33 | stew | Appleman1234: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 12:19.46 | wireddd | wykis I think it shows that in ifconfig |
| 12:20.03 | Appleman1234 | thanks stew |
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| 12:20.24 | Supaplex | !caffinate me |
| 12:20.29 | wykis | wireddd: monitoring, as in the speed ? |
| 12:20.39 | Supaplex | Oo |
| 12:20.51 | wireddd | wykis: oh, it shows the total data |
| 12:21.06 | wykis | well, wireddd ? |
| 12:21.16 | conico | wykis: iftop |
| 12:21.30 | wykis | something like this, maybe? |
| 12:21.37 | conico | snmp |
| 12:21.39 | wykis | http://cacti.kernel.org/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=1&leaf_id=7&select_first=true |
| 12:21.40 | conico | ntop |
| 12:21.58 | wykis | anybody? |
| 12:22.39 | Supaplex | wykis: do you read us? - over. |
| 12:22.56 | easytiger | !xine |
| 12:22.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xine is a media library. http://xinehq.de or #xine. Several frontends are available: xine-ui for "generic" X11, gxine (GTK+), kaffeine for KDE, totem-xine for GNOME. |
| 12:23.19 | conico | mrtg |
| 12:23.35 | Supaplex | !info cacti |
| 12:23.48 | HostilePenguin | what does localhost.localdomain mean? one says its debian.hsd1.mi.comcast.net. |
| 12:24.09 | mmlj4 | it means you haven't configured your stuff yet |
| 12:24.10 | dpkg | cacti: (Frontend to rrdtool for monitoring systems and services), section web, is extra. Version: 0.8.6j-1 (sid), Packaged size: 935 kB, Installed size: 3612 kB |
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| 12:24.31 | wykis | !info snmp |
| 12:24.35 | dpkg | snmp: (NET SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol) Apps), section net, is optional. Version: 5.3.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 963 kB, Installed size: 1328 kB |
| 12:24.36 | Havis | wireddd: how exactly to use pastebin? :) |
| 12:24.45 | wykis | Havis: rafb.net/paste |
| 12:24.53 | Supaplex | !pastebin howto |
| 12:24.54 | dpkg | i heard pastebin howto is step 1. open web browser. step 2. go to http://rafb.net/paste step 3. choose 'plain text'. step 4. select text for input, and paste into input form. (ask someone if you don't know how). step 5, click "Paste" button to upload. step 6, select the url in your address bar, and paste that url here. |
| 12:24.54 | stew | HostilePenguin: localhost.localdomain is a domain name which traditionally points to 127.0.0.1 meaning "this computer" |
| 12:24.55 | wireddd | havis are you stuck in the console? |
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| 12:25.12 | Havis | wireddd: nope I am using the nv driver |
| 12:25.42 | wireddd | ok goto pastebin.ca and paste your log into the text box and press submit |
| 12:25.43 | HostilePenguin | what is 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:25.56 | Havis | wireddd: I think this is the relewant part of the log (WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia |
| 12:25.56 | Havis | (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" |
| 12:25.56 | Havis | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 12:26.35 | stew | HostilePenguin: an ip address that is usually assigned to the "loopback" interface (lo) which is used to talk to the local computer |
| 12:26.36 | HostilePenguin | ok |
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| 12:26.58 | Havis | wireddd: ok, done :) |
| 12:27.10 | wireddd | now paste the link it gives you |
| 12:27.18 | Havis | wireddd: http://pastebin.ca/564026 |
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| 12:29.19 | stew | HostilePenguin: why are you running bind9? |
| 12:29.33 | stew | nm |
| 12:30.19 | wireddd | Havis: did you try to install the nvidia driver off of their website? |
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| 12:31.02 | Havis | wireddd: nope, I used only the driver that debian provides |
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| 12:32.18 | wireddd | Havis: well the kernel module is not what is having problems |
| 12:32.39 | wireddd | Havis: it is the X module that fails to load |
| 12:33.37 | wireddd | Havis: could you put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the pastebin please? |
| 12:33.38 | Havis | wireddd: well in log there is Failed to load module "nvidia", isnt that the nvidia module? |
| 12:33.43 | HostilePenguin | the name serving machine gives debian.hsd1.mi.comcast.net. as hostname..2 machines give localhost.localdomain, and another machine gives debian.hsd1.mi.comcast.net |
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| 12:34.18 | jakub_ | hi |
| 12:34.23 | jakub_ | I have problem with AmaroK |
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| 12:34.34 | stew | HostilePenguin: what do you mean by "gives" |
| 12:34.37 | jakub_ | i cant play mp3`s it says - no codec |
| 12:34.45 | HostilePenguin | hostname --fqdn |
| 12:34.45 | jakub_ | where i can get it ? |
| 12:34.56 | Havis | wireddd: http://pastebin.ca/564034 |
| 12:35.02 | stew | HostilePenguin: ok. and what exactly is the question? |
| 12:36.04 | fasta | How do I reverse the sound output to my two speakers? I want that the "left" sound goes "right" and the "right" sound goes "left". |
| 12:36.13 | HostilePenguin | why are they different |
| 12:36.29 | stew | HostilePenguin: becuase /etc/hosts is different on the two machines |
| 12:36.54 | stew | fasta: probably done via .asoundrc |
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| 12:37.50 | wireddd | Havis: try apt-get remove nvidia-glx |
| 12:38.01 | wireddd | and then reinstall it |
| 12:38.14 | Havis | wireddd: ok, sec |
| 12:38.15 | wireddd | looks like there are some files missing |
| 12:38.38 | Havis | wireddd: done |
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| 12:38.51 | wireddd | also |
| 12:38.58 | mike1o | is it possible to install ikvm and mono without installing an unstable? |
| 12:38.58 | wireddd | modprobe -r nvidia |
| 12:39.07 | wireddd | and then modprobe nvidia |
| 12:39.10 | Havis | wireddd: nvidia-glx removed but it gave me this error "rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/libGL.so" |
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| 12:39.35 | wireddd | Havis: ok |
| 12:39.41 | Havis | wireddd: rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/libGL.so': No such file or directory |
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| 12:39.50 | wireddd | ok thats fine |
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| 12:40.00 | Havis | wireddd: ok nvidia module loaded |
| 12:40.15 | wireddd | Havis: you unloaded it first right? |
| 12:40.24 | Havis | wireddd: yes |
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| 12:40.52 | Narada | hi which package contains the command epstopdf? |
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| 12:41.03 | Narada | I am looking for Tex but cannot find it. |
| 12:41.10 | wireddd | ok try to start x with the nvidia driver and see if you still get the same problem |
| 12:41.26 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there a tool to show which process produces the iostat of a disk? iostat shows only the whole but I'd need to know which process consumes the disk io |
| 12:41.28 | Havis | wireddd: ok, sec :) |
| 12:41.35 | Supaplex | Narada: latex? |
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| 12:42.15 | Narada | "Package latex is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
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| 12:42.52 | Narada | i'll for tetex-common |
| 12:43.04 | Narada | or rather tetex-base |
| 12:43.15 | wols | Narada: /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:46.57 | geo-rge | Narada: Michael Walden||? |
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| 12:47.42 | Narada | wols: thanks that was exactly what i needed: apt-file |
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| 12:47.46 | Narada | geo-rge: ? |
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| 12:48.06 | Daveman | Hi abrotman |
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| 12:51.14 | tbamr | !beer abrotman |
| 12:51.20 | tbamr | !beer itchi |
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| 12:53.05 | Supaplex | awwwwe no debian package of psdoom. :( |
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| 12:55.07 | Havis | wireddd: still doesnt work, I remove everything nvidia related, then installed nvidia-glx, it installed linux-image-2.6.18-4-486, nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-486, nvidia-kernel-common, so I rebooted to use the -486 kernel, and still same error :-/ |
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| 12:59.25 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 12:59.28 | abrotman | tbamr: ? |
| 12:59.41 | Daveman | Hi :) |
| 12:59.47 | abrotman | oh .. it's bokey |
| 12:59.50 | Daveman | Enjoying the usual weather? :P |
| 12:59.59 | abrotman | rain? |
| 13:00.02 | Daveman | yeah |
| 13:00.09 | Daveman | with t-storms :P |
| 13:00.10 | tbamr | abrotman: haha.. :) |
| 13:00.11 | Newk | hello.. is it possible to have hardware accelerated grafics on a debian machine with the ATI Rage LT pro? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_Rage#RAGE_LT ) |
| 13:00.11 | abrotman | not exactly the blistering philly weather :) |
| 13:00.16 | HostilePenguin | well ok i dont get it i dont know if i ever will here is paste bin of my etc/hosts will you look at them and help me http://pastebin.ca/564072 |
| 13:00.16 | Daveman | yeah |
| 13:00.20 | tbamr | abrotman: where's itchi ? |
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| 13:00.24 | tbamr | !seen itchi |
| 13:00.25 | dpkg | itchi is currently on #debian, last said: 'mkl1525: That atop looks what you need'. |
| 13:00.25 | Daveman | ready for the usual craptacular wednesday, then? |
| 13:00.26 | abrotman | Newk: AFAIK .. that card is like 10 years old |
| 13:00.32 | Newk | yes |
| 13:00.41 | abrotman | Daveman: i'm playing tour guide in about two hours :) |
| 13:00.45 | Daveman | ooh |
| 13:00.55 | abrotman | today we'll be dining on cheesesteaks! |
| 13:00.59 | Daveman | :p |
| 13:01.02 | Daveman | heh |
| 13:01.21 | tbamr | yummy umm.. |
| 13:01.31 | Newk | how old is debian? |
| 13:01.50 | tbamr | abrotman: did you read the wired article ? |
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| 13:02.47 | ghatak | I have edited by /etc/group to add myself to a group. How can i force it to take effect without reboot ? |
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| 13:03.23 | Newk | so i better run win98se on that machine and skip Debian? |
| 13:03.42 | samesame | win95 should do the job |
| 13:03.48 | samesame | ive heard its more secure |
| 13:03.51 | Supaplex | debian has a long history. |
| 13:04.09 | tbamr | dos is better |
| 13:04.15 | Newk | :) |
| 13:04.17 | samesame | debian goes back to the days when computers were computers |
| 13:04.19 | Supaplex | ROM BASIC! |
| 13:04.22 | rvsjoen | aptitude complains about locale settings, LC_ALL = (unset), anyone know how I can set it to en_US ? |
| 13:04.38 | abrotman | tbamr: ? |
| 13:04.47 | Supaplex | !start an os war |
| 13:04.47 | dpkg | MVS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 13:04.59 | Newk | :D |
| 13:05.02 | tbamr | abrotman: http://feeds.wired.com/~r/wired/politics/~3/124415155/spy_room |
| 13:05.11 | samesame | Workbench 1.3 |
| 13:05.23 | fireba11 | !mvs |
| 13:05.25 | tbamr | old news perhaps |
| 13:05.42 | samesame | Newk: have u seriously got one? |
| 13:05.44 | tbamr | :{P |
| 13:05.47 | Newk | yes |
| 13:05.52 | samesame | what u got running on it? |
| 13:06.10 | Newk | amiga dos 3.something |
| 13:06.16 | omri | I'm having trouble mounting a nfs; I'm not getting any timeouts or such. can I debug this? |
| 13:06.19 | samesame | heh |
| 13:06.23 | abrotman | tbamr: and i care why? |
| 13:06.31 | abrotman | !tell samesame about u |
| 13:06.32 | tbamr | abrotman: never mind. |
| 13:06.38 | abrotman | tbamr: right .. gotcha :) |
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| 13:07.24 | Newk | but yes... dont use the amiga nymore because i dont make music with OctaMED anymore |
| 13:08.38 | Newk | i needed the grafics acceleration for the old laptop because the grafics are slowing down the sound calculation |
| 13:09.24 | Newk | i thought someone has written drivers for glide/voodoo stuf? |
| 13:11.07 | abrotman | Newk: do you have any hardware newer than 1999 ? |
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| 13:11.31 | xand | 1989 |
| 13:12.05 | fireba11 | :-D |
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| 13:13.25 | Newk | yes this desktop machine here is one from 2001 i think |
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| 13:14.28 | Newk | anyway.. no slots on the laptop |
| 13:14.46 | Newk | besides pcmcia |
| 13:15.12 | Newk | and there is an audigy 2 |
| 13:16.04 | Newk | wich isnt really helpfull considering the lack of grafic acceleration |
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| 13:20.14 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 13:20.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd133 is <Atula> I was wondering if someone can tell me how to write the fstab for the tape drive |
| 13:20.26 | abrotman | who picks these?! |
| 13:20.59 | rvsjoen | i'm getting some "init: Trying to re-exec init" messages in syslog, anyone seen those before ? |
| 13:21.17 | alphanet | dpkg: a tape drive is a character device, and thus is not to be used as a block device (ok, you can find hacks to do that) |
| 13:21.17 | dpkg | ...but tape drive is already something else... |
| 13:21.38 | rvsjoen | could it have something to do with a recent upgrade of libc6 ? |
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| 13:21.50 | alphanet | dpkg: a tape device is usually /dev/nst0 (SCSI) and will be used through mt, dd and tar commands |
| 13:21.50 | dpkg | alphanet: okay |
| 13:22.06 | alphanet | dpkg: man 4 st for details |
| 13:22.26 | Havis | wireddd: any suggestion to make it work? |
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| 13:23.12 | wireddd | Havis: you could try to apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 13:24.13 | Havis | wireddd: I reinstalled gnome and xorg 5 minutes ago... |
| 13:25.18 | wireddd | just do "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 13:25.28 | Havis | wireddd: I did, no updates :) |
| 13:25.40 | wireddd | apt-get update |
| 13:25.48 | Havis | wireddd: btw, I'm using testing |
| 13:26.11 | Havis | wireddd: I did aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade no updates :) |
| 13:26.19 | wireddd | hmm |
| 13:26.24 | abrotman | alphanet: ? |
| 13:26.48 | daya | anyone has configured sound in ltsp 5.0 for debian, |
| 13:26.52 | daya | etch, |
| 13:27.42 | wireddd | Havis: let me update my testing machine and see if I have any problems |
| 13:28.14 | Havis | wireddd: ok :) |
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| 13:29.38 | wireddd | Havis: you could try installing the nvidia packages from unstable |
| 13:29.47 | wireddd | Havis: but don't try that yet |
| 13:30.08 | Havis | wireddd: nope, I didnt, but I can try... |
| 13:30.34 | nomad_cz | Hi. Which package tool shall I prefer - aptitude or apt-get ? I say aptitude but colleague of mine says apt-get ;) |
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| 13:30.57 | wireddd | Havis: I am currently running Unstable with the nvidia drivers from experimental |
| 13:31.01 | tarzeau | will lenny be 4.1 ? |
| 13:31.05 | stew | maybe? |
| 13:31.13 | tarzeau | nomad_cz: i prefer apt-get |
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| 13:31.36 | nomad_cz | tarzeau: I see. And why if I may ask ? |
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| 13:31.42 | Havis | wireddd: y, but I still dont know what causes this: rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/libGL.so': No such file or directory |
| 13:31.48 | tarzeau | nomad_cz: faster, needs less memory, doesn't use suggests |
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| 13:32.00 | tarzeau | nomad_cz: you can safely remove aptitude, try to remove apt-get |
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| 13:32.52 | wireddd | Havis: I have that file |
| 13:33.02 | wireddd | Havis: I don't know why you don't |
| 13:33.21 | Havis | wireddd: what packaged does it belong to? |
| 13:33.39 | nomad_cz | tarzeau: but aptitude is more flexible, is not it ? you can mark packages as auto installed and it logs it's actions and so on. |
| 13:33.50 | itchi | Hi, how can i scroll back in 'screen'? |
| 13:33.59 | petemc | ^ a [ |
| 13:34.13 | tarzeau | nomad_cz: dunno? i never needed that |
| 13:34.19 | nomad_cz | tarzeau: ;) |
| 13:34.23 | Havis | itchi: try shift + page up |
| 13:34.40 | petemc | that doesnt work |
| 13:34.51 | alphanet | abrotman: ! |
| 13:34.54 | itchi | Havis: only in xterm |
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| 13:35.06 | itchi | petemc: Thanks |
| 13:35.09 | petemc | np |
| 13:35.16 | itchi | petemc: Is that ctrl+a [ ? |
| 13:35.20 | petemc | aye |
| 13:35.26 | petemc | puts it on copy made |
| 13:35.31 | tarzeau | petemc: isn't that copy? |
| 13:35.36 | petemc | it is |
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| 13:35.39 | itchi | I have look the screen hehe |
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| 13:35.47 | petemc | press esc twice |
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| 13:36.00 | petemc | tarzeau: you know any other method to scroll back in screen? |
| 13:36.05 | tarzeau | petemc: no :) |
| 13:36.09 | petemc | :) |
| 13:36.22 | tarzeau | petemc: i never copied stuff in screen in the non-visible buffer |
| 13:36.49 | vin` | petemc: ^ a ESC :) |
| 13:36.54 | Enverex | Is there a mirror of the Debian CDs anywhere? The mirrors I'm looking at are just repos |
| 13:37.04 | tarzeau | evilgeek: sure |
| 13:37.04 | wireddd | Havis: I am not sure |
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| 13:37.16 | Havis | wireddd: I try to google around a bit, and let you know if I solve it... |
| 13:37.18 | itchi | I'm still missing somethings |
| 13:37.23 | tarzeau | evilgeek: ftp://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd |
| 13:37.27 | tarzeau | Enverex: i meant you |
| 13:37.36 | itchi | It's unlock now, but still not scroll up :-( |
| 13:37.37 | wireddd | tarzeau: how do you figure out what package a file belongs to? |
| 13:37.46 | tarzeau | wireddd: dpkg -S /the/file |
| 13:38.04 | Havis | tarzeau: thank you :) |
| 13:38.06 | wireddd | I was close |
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| 13:38.30 | Enverex | tarzeau, I need x86_64 |
| 13:38.34 | Enverex | That one only has i386 |
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| 13:38.38 | _agn_ | hi |
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| 13:38.38 | py_ | what is the kernel option "hda=noprobe" supposed to do? |
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| 13:38.43 | _agn_ | i have got a weird problem |
| 13:38.48 | Havis | wireddd: what package? I dont have that file so I dont know... |
| 13:38.58 | itchi | Bah, i need to go, see you later my lovely guys :-p |
| 13:38.58 | _agn_ | the interface setting is lost on reboot |
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| 13:39.04 | stew | py_: look it up in Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt in the kernel source |
| 13:39.04 | _agn_ | its a debian etch machine |
| 13:39.05 | tarzeau | Enverex: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/amd64/iso-cd |
| 13:39.06 | rza | might be a bit off topic but can anyone recommend a tool for memory profiling tool for short term processes? |
| 13:39.11 | wireddd | Havis: try apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 13:39.14 | rza | getting peak / average usages |
| 13:39.15 | rza | and so on |
| 13:39.19 | _agn_ | any ideas ? |
| 13:39.19 | py_ | stew: thx |
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| 13:39.26 | Havis | wireddd: ok, sec |
| 13:39.28 | _agn_ | i added auto eth0 and commenetd out the hotplug line |
| 13:39.28 | rza | ive tested exmap alraedy but it requires X |
| 13:39.31 | Enverex | tarzeau, Thanks |
| 13:39.35 | _agn_ | still doesn't work |
| 13:39.44 | medianet_ | Hello |
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| 13:40.00 | medianet_ | anybody that can help me about upgrading RT ? |
| 13:40.06 | abrotman | alphanet: dpkg is a bot :) |
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| 13:40.20 | _agn_ | anybody had such a problem ? |
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| 13:41.12 | Enverex | Is .18 still what kernel is linked to in Sid? |
| 13:42.01 | xerophyte | i have seen people use the cat to take the notes temporally on the shell how do i do it .. i mean if i have two shell window open you can just copy text to one shell temporary using cat << something like that .. does anybody know how ? |
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| 13:42.21 | vin` | Enverex: .21 is in |
| 13:42.39 | Enverex | vin`, But is it what the meta package is linked to? |
| 13:42.42 | xerophyte | cat >> - ? |
| 13:43.01 | vin` | Enverex: yes |
| 13:43.10 | Enverex | Cool. Thanks |
| 13:43.31 | alphanet | abrotman: ok, but well, he asked questions (or someone named closely enough for my eyes to not see the difference) |
| 13:43.55 | vin` | alphanet: abrotman made him do it. |
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| 13:44.03 | alphanet | vin`: ok :-> |
| 13:44.39 | wko | hi there, im configuring a routed vpn on debian following the howto.html.. but I can't find the openvpn-auth-pam.so on my system.. can anyone tellme what's wrong in my system? as it's a freshly installed debian4.0 |
| 13:45.13 | wireddd | dpkg: a tape device |
| 13:46.46 | wireddd | !a tape device |
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| 13:47.54 | wireddd | I guess dpkg didn't actually remember it |
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| 13:49.32 | abrotman | vin`: you always blame me! |
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| 13:49.55 | abrotman | wireddd: i took care of it |
| 13:49.59 | wireddd | ic |
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| 13:50.42 | wireddd | abrotman: it is always amusing when someone has a conversation with a bot and doesn't realize they are talking to a bot |
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| 13:52.07 | keith80403 | Debian Etch - Where is the setting in Icedove to launch Iceweasel instead of Epiphany when clicking a link in an email message? |
| 13:52.39 | vin` | keith80403: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 13:53.05 | keith80403 | vin`, Thanks, I'll check that out. |
| 13:53.20 | vin` | abrotman: ;) |
| 13:54.11 | keith80403 | vin`, Hey, it works - pretty slick (-: (-: |
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| 13:56.40 | Feto | how do I make nfs export a directory with all filesystems mounted beneath? |
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| 13:57.17 | wireddd | Havis: any luck? |
| 13:58.15 | Havis | wireddd: nope, but I found someone with same problem, but ati card :-( |
| 13:58.32 | rgsteele | Feto: Edit /etc/exports ? |
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| 14:00.19 | py_ | I'm looking for a software which will let me save my complete system on a bootable cd, and which will be able to restore it completely booting that CD. Does someone know of something like that? |
| 14:00.22 | wireddd | Havis: you might want to try asking in #nvidia |
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| 14:02.45 | Havis | wireddd: y, but wouldnt they try to force me to use drivers from nvidia's website? |
| 14:02.57 | Havis | wireddd: I want to have it the debian way ;) |
| 14:04.37 | Enverex | I don't suppose anyones made a package for the new nVidia drivers have they? |
| 14:05.24 | wols | Enverex: which new ones? |
| 14:05.31 | Enverex | 100.14.09 I think it is |
| 14:05.54 | Feto | rgsteele: heh |
| 14:05.55 | wols | why do you need them? |
| 14:05.58 | Feto | yeah i guess |
| 14:06.04 | Feto | but what's the option to include mountpoints? |
| 14:06.17 | wireddd | Havis: this seems to be a known bug... |
| 14:06.23 | wols | Enverex: do you have a 8600 based card? |
| 14:06.25 | Enverex | wols, Need to see if there are any bugs with Wine and htem |
| 14:06.28 | Enverex | *then |
| 14:06.30 | wireddd | Havis: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=420450 |
| 14:06.30 | Enverex | *them arg |
| 14:07.44 | rgsteele | Feto: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/exports.5.html |
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| 14:08.08 | wireddd | Havis: you need to install the nvidia stuff from unstable |
| 14:08.11 | wols | Enverex: have you reported the issue on BTS yet? |
| 14:08.18 | wireddd | Havis: I can walk you through it |
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| 14:08.39 | Havis | wireddd: yyy, I can do it alone :) thats not a problem |
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| 14:09.05 | Enverex | wols, ... what issue? |
| 14:09.17 | Feto | rgsteele: thanks! |
| 14:09.26 | rgsteele | Feto: Sure thing. |
| 14:09.33 | omri | Is there a mod_security (apache) debian package? |
| 14:09.33 | Feto | aparently i have to export both and specify "nohide" to the inner one |
| 14:09.38 | Feto | is that the way? |
| 14:09.52 | wireddd | Havis: do you know how to use module-assistant? |
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| 14:09.58 | Havis | wireddd: do I have to install kernel from unstable too? |
| 14:10.04 | wireddd | Havis: no |
| 14:10.07 | Havis | wireddd: y m-d is not a problem :) |
| 14:11.36 | wireddd | Havis: you need to get the following packages nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 14:11.46 | wireddd | Havis: all from unstable |
| 14:12.01 | Havis | wireddd: ok, I'm on it |
| 14:12.46 | wireddd | I suggest using module-assistant to compile the kernel module unless you are comfortable doing it |
| 14:13.05 | Enverex | wols, ... what issue? |
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| 14:13.54 | wols | Enverex: the issue you have with WINE |
| 14:14.15 | Enverex | wols, ... I don't have an issue with Wine, I never said there was one. |
| 14:14.20 | Havis | wireddd: ok I added unstable in my sources list, but now I have list of nvidia-drivers from testing and unstable but which ones are from unstable? the nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx ? |
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| 14:14.40 | qiyong | in shell, when i entered a command not found, a program displays how to install it, what that program is? |
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| 14:14.49 | wols | mirco_: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx |
| 14:15.00 | wireddd | Havis: don't do that |
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| 14:15.22 | wireddd | just get the .debs and install them with dpkg |
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| 14:15.30 | Havis | wireddd: ok, but the nvidia-glx is the same it's the testing package... or? |
| 14:15.30 | wols | qiyong: if a program is not found, nothing displays to tell you how to install it. what is the exact message you get? |
| 14:15.36 | wols | qiyong: for installing you use aptitude |
| 14:15.42 | wireddd | Havis: I will give you links to them |
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| 14:16.01 | qiyong | !command-not-found |
| 14:16.19 | wols | Havis: the name is the same: nvidia-glx. the version is different tho |
| 14:16.32 | wireddd | Havis http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-glx_1.0.9755-1_i386.deb |
| 14:16.49 | Enverex | wols, All I was asking was if those new drivers were packaged yet. |
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| 14:16.59 | wols | Enverex: no |
| 14:17.02 | Havis | wireddd: ok, downloading :) |
| 14:17.08 | wireddd | Havis: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/n/nvidia-kernel-common/nvidia-kernel-common_20051028+1_all.deb |
| 14:17.23 | ghatak | Hi, I have currently a base system installed on a system. How do i install desktop environment with fluxbox, and no other crap ? |
| 14:17.45 | wireddd | Havis: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-kernel-source_1.0.9755-1_i386.deb |
| 14:17.49 | wireddd | that is the last one |
| 14:18.28 | techbe1 | ghatak:aptitude install fluxbox |
| 14:18.38 | Havis | wireddd: ok, I'm installing |
| 14:18.54 | wireddd | install them with dpkg -i blah.deb |
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| 14:19.55 | Havis | wireddd: y, a little trouble: nvidia-kernel-source depends on dpatch (>= 2.0.0); however: |
| 14:20.15 | Havis | wireddd: isnt it better to go unstable with whole distro then? |
| 14:20.20 | jelly | Hi, I want to make a daemon run under a normal user able to bind to low ports, does anyone have experience with POSIX (Linux?) capabilities? |
| 14:20.31 | abrotman | it can't |
| 14:20.41 | wols | jelly: unpossible |
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| 14:20.55 | wireddd | Havis: you just need to apt-get -f install |
| 14:20.56 | wols | jelly: allow the user to start that daemon with sudo or such |
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| 14:21.10 | vikingr | is there a tutorial on how to setup compiz-kde from unstable? |
| 14:21.19 | jelly | wols: why? there's a specific capability for that, I just don't know how to use them in Debian |
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| 14:22.38 | jelly | wols: it's a closed source java service, I can't edit the app to make it first bind the port then drop privileges. |
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| 14:24.29 | cydork | jelly: look at authbind package or use a firewall ;) |
| 14:25.04 | wireddd | Havis: how is it going? |
| 14:25.15 | piti | Hi, I often have problems under eclipse, it quickly closes with this message : http://pastebin.ca/564206 (I use sun jvm 1.6) |
| 14:25.31 | HostilePenguin | where should dhclient.conf be i have one in /etc and one in /etc/dhcp3 |
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| 14:25.53 | zoid_ | hi, is there anybody using tomcat on etch? |
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| 14:26.39 | wireddd | zoid_: probably? |
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| 14:27.06 | wireddd | zoid_: what is your problem with it? |
| 14:27.07 | zoid_ | i get an error from dpkg when triyng to intstall |
| 14:27.23 | wireddd | what is the error? |
| 14:27.24 | stew | HostilePenguin: both places are valid depending on which client you are using |
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| 14:27.43 | zoid_ | Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat5.5Password: su: Permission denied |
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| 14:27.56 | zoid_ | it doesn't let me enter any password |
| 14:27.57 | stew | HostilePenguin: one is for dhcp-client the other is for dhcp3-client |
| 14:27.58 | wols | zoid_: are your oot? |
| 14:28.01 | zoid_ | yes |
| 14:28.04 | nofx1 | how to install my intel wifi on debian ? there is apt-get like ubuntu restricted drivers thing? |
| 14:28.18 | stew | nofx1: which intel wifi? |
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| 14:28.19 | wols | nofx1: which intel wifi chip? |
| 14:28.34 | stew | nofx1: and no, there is no restricted |
| 14:28.49 | stew | nofx1: unless that is non-free (/msg dpkg non-free) |
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| 14:29.04 | nofx1 | stw |
| 14:29.09 | liable | intel drivers are free |
| 14:29.11 | nofx1 | ops... 3945ABG |
| 14:29.21 | zoid_ | more info: http://rafb.net/p/GIEBHz94.html |
| 14:29.32 | liable | nofx1: its in the repos.. |
| 14:29.43 | stew | nofx1: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:30.13 | nofx1 | 2.6.18.1-kanotix |
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| 14:30.27 | jelly | cydork: thanks, authbind looks like a nice workaround. firewall was the first solution, but the networking guys don't answer mails very often :-) |
| 14:30.29 | zoid_ | i'm running (not now, but installed (not me)) tomcat under /usr/local, and i'm willing to replace it with de debian package |
| 14:30.33 | stew | nofx1: please go to #kanotix for help with kanotix |
| 14:30.46 | jelly | so, noone here knows about capabilities? |
| 14:31.50 | nofx1 | stew: I see.. think im going to install pure debian... to test it better... I installed dreamlinux.... |
| 14:32.21 | maxedout | is there a front-end for apt that lets you manage lots of linux boxes over the network and update em via apt? sort of a push-down pull method? |
| 14:32.34 | zoid_ | and the jvm under /opt |
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| 14:32.42 | zoid_ | maxedout: clusterssh? |
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| 14:32.50 | stew | or dssh |
| 14:33.00 | stew | maxedout: but nothing specifially for apt |
| 14:33.32 | xerophyte | i have installed sysstat package i am not able to find the sadf command does anybody know which package does that belongs it should come with sysstat |
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| 14:34.17 | g0th | hi |
| 14:34.45 | g0th | I just bought a lacie ethernet big disk. It works fine using the web interface. But how do I mount the disk using usb? |
| 14:35.07 | wireddd | Havis: is it working? |
| 14:35.15 | fasta | g0th: you first check compatibility before you buy something generally. |
| 14:35.16 | g0th | I don't see any /dev/sda1 |
| 14:35.27 | g0th | fasta: yes it says compatible with linux |
| 14:35.28 | Havis | wireddd: I am switching to unstable ;-) |
| 14:35.35 | fasta | g0th: it might "just work", but then again it might say it isn't. |
| 14:35.37 | cydork | jelly: heh, still i dont think there is any other way. if you find out let me know :) |
| 14:35.42 | wireddd | Havis: you don't have to do that |
| 14:35.46 | fasta | g0th: heh, for how long ? ;) |
| 14:35.51 | wireddd | Havis: all you had to do was apt-get -f install |
| 14:35.56 | g0th | fasta: what do you mean? |
| 14:36.18 | Havis | wireddd: y, I know, but I wanna try it :), I can revert back if I wont like it :) |
| 14:36.21 | fasta | g0th: I mean that some times they only distribute drivers for one particular kernel version |
| 14:36.22 | g0th | fasta: it should have linux support the disc itself runs a linux server |
| 14:36.26 | wols | g0th: plug the disk in. what does dmesg say= what lsusb? |
| 14:36.33 | g0th | wols: seconds |
| 14:36.44 | wireddd | Havis: you pretty much have to reinstall if you want to downgrade |
| 14:36.47 | g0th | Bus 004 Device 015: ID 059f:0982 LaCie, Ltd (lsusb) |
| 14:37.13 | wireddd | Havis: but unstable isn't that much different than testing imo |
| 14:37.23 | g0th | usb 4-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 15 |
| 14:37.23 | g0th | usb 4-2: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices |
| 14:37.23 | g0th | eth1: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:1d.7-2, CDC Ethernet Device, 00:d0:4b:8f:82:18 |
| 14:37.35 | g0th | (dmesg) |
| 14:38.07 | Havis | wireddd: well I can use pinning and revert back, :) I did it once so np :) just put int /etc/apt/preferences Pin: release a=unstable :) |
| 14:38.18 | Havis | wireddd: or testing ... or stable :) |
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| 14:38.44 | wols | g0th: so it appears as a usb ethernet card... meaning you still ahve to use CIFS/NFS |
| 14:39.00 | g0th | so I can't mount/access it directly? |
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| 14:39.12 | wols | I jsut read something on a forum: "Hi, i packaged the ACX111 SoftMAC driver from the wireless-2.6 git tree" Any suggestion what this wireless 2.6 git tree is? kernel.org sources? |
| 14:39.14 | g0th | to eg put my own system on it for example |
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| 14:39.18 | wireddd | g0th: it works like a network card |
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| 14:39.28 | g0th | and only as a network card? |
| 14:39.28 | wols | g0th: what did I just tell you? |
| 14:39.32 | wireddd | g0th: yeah |
| 14:39.35 | g0th | ohh :( |
| 14:39.51 | seans | Im building a server right now, it has the OS on a SATA drive and a second drive as a scsi raid, after the initial install the sata drive was /dev/sda and the raid was /dev/sdb, just like they should be....after I recompiled the kernel(2.6.21.3) it swapped the drives, the sata drive was now /dev/sdb and the raid /dev/sda, does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 14:40.00 | g0th | so eg I can't use it as a webserver |
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| 14:40.22 | g0th | anyway |
| 14:40.23 | g0th | thanks |
| 14:40.41 | wols | g0th: you can |
| 14:40.56 | zoid_ | wireddd, wols: i found something: maybe it's because i restricted "su" for some users (wheel group) |
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| 14:41.10 | jelly | cydork: man 7 capabilities, CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE |
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| 14:42.13 | xerophyte | does anybody know where can i get the sysstat 7.x for the woody deb ? |
| 14:42.20 | CharminTheMoose | what 'opengl' libs are available in debian? |
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| 14:42.41 | wols | CharminTheMoose: MESA |
| 14:42.51 | wols | xerophyte: try snapshot.debian.org |
| 14:42.54 | cydork | jelly: ohh never knew about that. |
| 14:43.18 | wols | CharminTheMoose: what videocard do you want to use? |
| 14:43.34 | CharminTheMoose | a i810 |
| 14:43.40 | wols | MESA it is then |
| 14:43.44 | abrotman | jelly: but doesn't it still start as root .. then change who it runs as ? |
| 14:44.00 | cydork | wols: you mean this http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-2.6.git;a=summary ?? |
| 14:44.01 | HostilePenguin | cd /etc |
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| 14:44.04 | HostilePenguin | sorry |
| 14:44.29 | wols | cydork: I simply mean a acx100 drive with WPA support :) |
| 14:44.49 | wols | cydork: thank you. looks promising |
| 14:45.17 | xerophyte | wols, do i have to rebuild the package after i download the package from there ? |
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| 14:46.36 | cahoot | wols http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-2.6.git |
| 14:46.37 | zoid_ | nevermind, i solved it, permission stuff |
| 14:46.40 | wols | xerophyte: it's a deb repository |
| 14:47.02 | xerophyte | wols how do i download package for woody |
| 14:47.06 | perf3kt | is ssh a default package in the basic install? |
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| 14:47.46 | abrotman | no |
| 14:47.55 | perf3kt | crap |
| 14:48.00 | xerophyte | wols, i mean sarge |
| 14:48.07 | perf3kt | guess I have to wait until i go home and isntall it |
| 14:48.16 | xerophyte | wols, i want a sysstat 7.x deb for sarge |
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| 14:49.12 | wols | xerophyte: read the page |
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| 14:50.40 | wols | xerophyte: there are only debian packages there. no backports |
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| 14:51.44 | Enverex | What are the different pools again? main, contrib... |
| 14:51.56 | xerophyte | wols, the problem is can i install them on the sarge ? |
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| 14:52.20 | abrotman | Enverex: and non-free |
| 14:52.27 | perf3kt | Here, do thou read this fine manual, and put upon thyself this diaper, for thou dost pollute the very air |
| 14:52.30 | perf3kt | lol |
| 14:52.30 | Enverex | abrotman, I thought there were four.... |
| 14:52.31 | mdo_ | hi, i need Java6 + Tomcat5.5 - I've taken Java6 from unstable while running Etch so far. Now Tomcat 5.5.20 does not recognize Java6 as the paths in it's init script are wrong. Can someone adwise how I could solve this? |
| 14:52.37 | abrotman | Enverex: not that i'm aware of |
| 14:52.45 | mdo_ | Don't really want to edit tomcat's init.d file |
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| 14:53.14 | stew | Enverex: only 3 in debian. other distributions and unoficial repsitories might have more, of course |
| 14:53.55 | Enverex | stew, I'm probably getting mixed up with Ubuntu or something silly |
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| 14:55.40 | Feto | howdy |
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| 14:55.48 | Feto | my debian went wacko |
| 14:55.48 | blinx | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lvfw32 |
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| 14:55.51 | Feto | i cannot boot |
| 14:55.52 | Feto | :( |
| 14:55.53 | blinx | what is missing? |
| 14:55.59 | Feto | please, please help |
| 14:56.08 | abrotman | blinx: a library |
| 14:56.11 | mdo_ | is the current testing less "stable" than before Etch or can I dare to dist-upgrade my remote server to testing right now? |
| 14:56.12 | Feto | it's the second time it happens.. first time i reinstalled |
| 14:56.13 | abrotman | apt-cache search vfw32 |
| 14:56.23 | blinx | !dpkg search vgw32 |
| 14:56.25 | Feto | and that was less than a week ago |
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| 14:56.40 | blinx | abrotman: but there is no library named vfw32 |
| 14:56.43 | zmeiat_joro | does anyone know anything about a typical problem with GRUB when installing Debian on a ssytem taht already ahs Ubuntu installed? |
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| 14:56.49 | Feto | ok i'm gonna tell what happens |
| 14:57.07 | cydork | jelly: still i can only find somethings related to LIDS kernel patch for _capability_ |
| 14:57.37 | Feto | when I boot normally, X server starts and gdm doesn't... it just hangs in there and i cannot even change to the text terminals..i have to reboot |
| 14:57.45 | Feto | when I boot single user, same thing happens |
| 14:57.52 | jelly | abrotman: no, the point is to start it as user. Java doesn't support setuid() afaik. |
| 14:57.56 | wols | blinx: /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:58.05 | blinx | wols: ok |
| 14:58.21 | wols | blinx: however, vfw32 means "video for windows 32". is this windows software you are porting? |
| 14:58.22 | Feto | I just noticed if I send SIGINT a lot while booting single user, it will boot in maintenance mode, with no X server, and that 's what I' m using |
| 14:58.25 | alphanet | zmeiat_joro: install Debian's grub in its partition and add an other boot entry to Ubuntu's grub. Then everyone can update its kernel without problems |
| 14:58.38 | blinx | wols: gpac from source |
| 14:58.38 | Feto | I cannot do the same in multiuser, because it will hang when starting syslogd |
| 14:58.45 | blinx | and now x264 |
| 14:58.57 | Feto | what can I do to fix it? |
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| 14:59.46 | Enverex | Is there something wrong with the mirrors? I'm getting painfully slow speeds... |
| 14:59.48 | zmeiat_joro | alphanet: well the problem is, I got an error during Debian's installation - in the end, when it was installing GRUB - and I can't boot Debian at all. |
| 14:59.48 | gentgeen__ | exit |
| 15:00.03 | wols | Feto: start normally but without gdm running |
| 15:00.12 | alphanet | zmeiat_joro: you can boot from Debian's CD recovery mode and then fixup manually |
| 15:00.13 | wols | then connect to the box via ssh, and start gdm. check logs |
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| 15:00.33 | Feto | wols: how do I disable gdm? |
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| 15:00.45 | wols | !nodm |
| 15:00.45 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 15:01.14 | jm|work | Feto: what was the problem? |
| 15:01.16 | liable | Feto: you can start in single user mode if you cant ssh into it |
| 15:01.25 | blinx | wols: I will install the latest ffmpeg |
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| 15:01.40 | jm|work | oh: they're on it |
| 15:01.41 | jm|work | /close |
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| 15:01.44 | wols | liable: after gdm is started his console is hosed. hence why ssh is mandatory here |
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| 15:02.01 | liable | wols: why cant he start in single user mode? |
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| 15:02.26 | Feto | liable: X gets on the way... i'm gonna remove all dm's |
| 15:02.28 | wols | don't ask me why his gdm starts when he runs in signle user mode |
| 15:02.28 | Feto | brb |
| 15:02.33 | liable | no |
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| 15:02.40 | liable | it does not |
| 15:02.57 | Feto | liable: then why do I get a switch to graphical mode? |
| 15:02.58 | wols | liable: all I can say what he says. I'm not sitting at his box |
| 15:03.08 | Feto | when I start in single-user? |
| 15:03.11 | liable | wols: you should know it wont start |
| 15:03.15 | Feto | i have to send SIGINT to make it not start |
| 15:03.22 | wols | liable: I beleive every BS they tell me |
| 15:03.28 | liable | Feto: single user mode is the second kernel option for each kernel |
| 15:03.33 | Feto | that is the only way to use it right now |
| 15:03.39 | Feto | that is correct |
| 15:03.45 | Feto | that's what i'm talking about |
| 15:03.47 | Feto | anyways |
| 15:03.49 | Feto | only got one vterm |
| 15:03.50 | Feto | brb |
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| 15:04.41 | Feto | oh btw |
| 15:04.45 | Feto | i can't remove packages |
| 15:04.49 | Feto | my / is mounted ro |
| 15:04.55 | Feto | and I can't seem to mount it rw |
| 15:05.12 | Feto | it says "/dev/blah is already mounted" |
| 15:05.14 | Feto | or something |
| 15:05.49 | Feto | is there a way to remount / as rw? |
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| 15:05.53 | TTRanger | They're labeled CD-1, CD-2, CD-3 etc |
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| 15:06.02 | wireddd | TTRanger: do you have a fast internet conenction? |
| 15:06.08 | TTRanger | wireddd fairly |
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| 15:06.18 | wireddd | you should probably do a net install |
| 15:06.26 | TTRanger | ah ok |
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| 15:06.32 | wireddd | that is only 1 cd |
| 15:06.37 | TTRanger | makes sens |
| 15:06.38 | TTRanger | e |
| 15:06.53 | TTRanger | Then a person can just get download the stuff they want later as they have need, I assume. |
| 15:07.13 | seans | Im building a server right now, it has the OS on a SATA drive and a second drive as a scsi raid, after the initial install the sata drive was /dev/sda and the raid was /dev/sdb, just like they should be....after I recompiled the kernel(2.6.21.3) it swapped the drives, the sata drive was now /dev/sdb and the raid /dev/sda, does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 15:07.28 | wireddd | TTRanger: yes |
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| 15:07.38 | TTRanger | What is the Debian equivalent of Synaptic, or is it it Synaptic under Debian too? |
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| 15:07.50 | unlink | yep |
| 15:07.51 | HostilePenguin | aptitude |
| 15:08.00 | unlink | debian has synaptic |
| 15:08.12 | TTRanger | ok |
| 15:08.28 | Feto | liable: how can I remount / as rw? |
| 15:09.00 | liable | Feto: mount -o remount rw / |
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| 15:09.08 | Feto | =) |
| 15:09.11 | Feto | thanks |
| 15:09.17 | liable | man mount |
| 15:09.22 | anabaino | how can I kill this? 3996 joan 25 0 3284 956 340 R 35 0.1 11:01.35 scanimage |
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| 15:09.50 | wireddd | TTRanger: what distro are you coming from? |
| 15:09.54 | Feto | sweet that worked :) |
| 15:09.56 | ErichK | Is there a way I can edit the Session list? |
| 15:10.06 | TTRanger | wireddd I have Ubuntu on there, but am going to get rid of that one. |
| 15:10.12 | TTRanger | Right now I'm running under BeOS |
| 15:10.20 | wireddd | anabaino: kill 3996 |
| 15:10.21 | Feto | now i need to fix the hanging thing |
| 15:10.25 | Feto | gonna try rebooting a few times |
| 15:10.28 | Feto | brb |
| 15:10.46 | TTRanger | ok thanks for the help! |
| 15:10.54 | anabaino | wireddd, I asked because this doesn't work, :), nor killall -9 3996 |
| 15:11.17 | wireddd | anabaino: kill -SIGKILL 3996 |
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| 15:13.05 | Sweetandy | My friend wants to set up a debian machine so that his friends can register with him and get accounts, and like, VNC to this computer |
| 15:13.16 | Sweetandy | The thing is, he wants multiple connections, as in, multiple users, logged in at the same time |
| 15:13.26 | Sweetandy | Is this countered by the limitations of VNC? |
| 15:13.29 | petemc | no |
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| 15:13.42 | petemc | vnc has no such limitation |
| 15:14.01 | Sweetandy | He also wants them all to be logged into their own account. This is possible? |
| 15:14.13 | petemc | sure |
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| 15:14.55 | Sweetandy | One time I logged in a second time graphically with the xscreensaver login thing (which I have since disabled) and it was giving me what CM-F7 did, except it was on CM-F8. Is what I'm looking for along those lines? |
| 15:15.10 | artagnon | I have a wmv. How do I convert it to a more friendly format like mpeg? |
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| 15:16.00 | liable | transcode? |
| 15:16.01 | blinx | wols: I found nothing to download with vfw32 |
| 15:16.11 | blinx | do you have an idea? |
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| 15:16.43 | artagnon | liable: using what? |
| 15:17.53 | artagnon | liable: Okay, you probably referred to this: http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode |
| 15:18.13 | liable | artagnon: i reffered to my bad memory |
| 15:18.20 | liable | ;) |
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| 15:19.08 | Enverex | Erm, is there something wrong with KDE in Sid? It basically wont let me install it. It just says "blah [Not installed]" for every single package and gives a rating of nearly -9000 |
| 15:19.22 | xerophyte | where can i find sysstat backport form etch to sarge ? |
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| 15:20.02 | abrotman | there is sysstat in sarge |
| 15:20.16 | xerophyte | abrotman, its missing sadf binary :( |
| 15:20.23 | abrotman | !find sadf sarge |
| 15:20.32 | xerophyte | abrotman, its old version of it |
| 15:20.40 | abrotman | xerophyte: maybe backports.org .. but not likely |
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| 15:21.03 | xerophyte | abrotman, sysstat 5.0.6-5 |
| 15:21.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sadf' (2): (/usr/share/solfege/graphics/sadface-32x32.png) in gnome/solfege ;; (/usr/share/fonts/truetype/larabie-deco/sadfilms.ttf, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/larabie-deco/sadfilms.ttf) in non-free/x11/ttf-larabie-deco. |
| 15:21.13 | abrotman | dpkg: you're no help |
| 15:21.25 | abrotman | xerophyte: backports.org .. or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 15:27.53 | rene | hi |
| 15:27.56 | fie | I would like to know... what do I need to do to get debian in a state where it can compile things without having lack of library support? |
| 15:28.13 | fie | I have never been able to compile anything on debian. I always get errors. |
| 15:28.16 | valdyn | fie: you install the required libraries |
| 15:28.23 | rene | when running apt-get dist-upgrade: "The following packages have been kept back:" how do i solve this? |
| 15:28.39 | valdyn | fie: so read the errors and install the appropriate package(s) |
| 15:28.42 | stew | fie: what is an example of an error? |
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| 15:29.22 | fie | stew: give me a second |
| 15:30.01 | stew | fie: if you know the name of the file you are missing use apt-file or pdo to find the package that provides it: /msg dpkg apt-file ; /msg dpkg pdo |
| 15:31.05 | fie | stew: Err.. I think it was saying that the version of GPP I was using was like... not working... I forget the error... I'll get it in a second though |
| 15:31.41 | fie | But I installed every version of GPP and then updated the link to GPP to each version I installed |
| 15:31.52 | fie | and tried to re-compile each time I updated it |
| 15:32.00 | stew | fie: what were you trying to compile? |
| 15:32.12 | fie | Pidgin |
| 15:32.22 | stew | fie: apt-get build-dep pidgin |
| 15:32.28 | stew | fie: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:32.41 | stew | fie: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 15:34.20 | wols | fie: have you installed build-essential? |
| 15:34.25 | fie | latest? |
| 15:34.38 | wols | rebo123_: full apt output please |
| 15:34.43 | zmeiat_joro | oh, I got it! maybe the problem is that there was an entry about FreeBSD (over wich I installed Debian) in the MBR? |
| 15:34.43 | stew | fie: the latest of which release? |
| 15:34.56 | fie | :| DreamLinux |
| 15:35.01 | fie | Sorry |
| 15:35.03 | stew | fie: you are in the wrong channel |
| 15:35.10 | fie | My deb repo is set at latest |
| 15:35.25 | stew | fie: there is no 'latest' deb repository. but this is off-topic anyway |
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| 15:36.05 | fie | stable main contrib non-free |
| 15:37.13 | fie | wols, I do have build-essetial |
| 15:37.22 | stew | fie: please go to a channel that is specific to your distribution |
| 15:37.36 | wols | fie: I don't care |
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| 15:37.55 | Feto | huhmmm.... |
| 15:37.58 | Feto | now that' s weird |
| 15:38.13 | anapivirtua | Ola / Re |
| 15:38.20 | xand | pardon? |
| 15:38.25 | Feto | i apt-get removed gdm and all those and my system still goes graphical while booting |
| 15:38.30 | Feto | what can I do? |
| 15:38.45 | stew | Feto: also remove xdm and or kdm and or wdm? |
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| 15:38.53 | Feto | yeah |
| 15:38.57 | Feto | i did that thing |
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| 15:39.21 | Feto | !nodm |
| 15:39.22 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 15:39.26 | Feto | that's what i did |
| 15:40.19 | wols | which one? |
| 15:40.26 | Feto | apt-get remove ... |
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| 15:40.33 | wols | fie: there are several thing slisted what you cn do |
| 15:40.40 | wols | that's not what I told you to do |
| 15:40.49 | Feto | oh |
| 15:40.54 | Feto | then what is it? |
| 15:40.54 | wols | you can't later start it to debug it when you remove it... |
| 15:41.09 | wols | "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until aackage update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. |
| 15:41.29 | stew | Feto: what does " pgrep '^.dm$' " return? |
| 15:41.34 | Feto | let me see |
| 15:41.51 | valdyn | Feto: editing /etc/X11/default-display-manager is probably the best way |
| 15:42.31 | Feto | well i did what wols said |
| 15:42.36 | Feto | and i removed also kdm |
| 15:42.37 | Feto | and gdm |
| 15:42.38 | stew | well if he already removed all of the display managers, i'm certainly curious as to which he still has running |
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| 15:42.42 | valdyn | Feto: the init scripts and messing with them is quite fragile |
| 15:42.44 | Feto | then i did pgrep |
| 15:42.56 | Feto | and didn't show anything |
| 15:43.26 | Feto | valdyn: wouldn't the update-rc.d be for messing with them with a little confidence? |
| 15:43.37 | valdyn | Feto: no, using that tool is evil |
| 15:43.49 | valdyn | Feto: i have NO idea why its a usual recommendation |
| 15:43.51 | Feto | oh :( |
| 15:44.00 | Feto | well i'm totally new to debian |
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| 15:44.22 | wols | valdyn: I never had a problem with rm, ln, etc even |
| 15:44.24 | valdyn | Feto: that tool is used by deb installation scripts and its also ok to use with custom init scripts |
| 15:44.31 | stew | Feto: what does " pgrep X | xargs ps -o%P " return? |
| 15:44.38 | Feto | let me see |
| 15:44.39 | wols | valdyn: is rcconf less eveil then in your eyes? |
| 15:44.55 | valdyn | wols: its managable, but the interactions with package updates are like unpredictable |
| 15:45.14 | valdyn | wols: i dont know what rcconf does, i suppose its as ugly as all of these tools |
| 15:45.16 | Feto | 1, 1259, 1260, 1294 |
| 15:45.25 | stew | bah |
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| 15:45.57 | Feto | what's that about? |
| 15:45.58 | wols | fie: wth did you do? |
| 15:46.04 | wols | Feto: ^^ |
| 15:46.07 | stew | Feto: run "ps 1259 1260 1294" and see which of them are likely to have been the one that start X |
| 15:46.08 | valdyn | wols: sometimes upgrades fail on missing /etc/init.d scripts, sometimes on missing symlinks. Symlinks also seem to be sometimes respected, sometimes not, its fucking ugly |
| 15:46.10 | wols | it shows running X serves |
| 15:46.21 | Feto | wols: pgrep X ... |
| 15:46.27 | Feto | stew: let me check |
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| 15:47.13 | valdyn | wols: suppose i should file a bug report each time i see a package upgrade fail on a missing /etc/init.d/whatever |
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| 15:47.15 | Feto | i got init[S] and csh |
| 15:47.15 | fie | :| |
| 15:47.31 | fie | wols, I'm installing debian |
| 15:47.40 | wols | fie: it you go etch. start with the netinst |
| 15:47.45 | stew | init[S] ? |
| 15:47.51 | valdyn | wols: and that happens alot in a chroot, where i just moved all those scripts away |
| 15:47.55 | Feto | stew: that's 1259 |
| 15:48.12 | stew | does that mean he is still in /etc/rc.S ? |
| 15:48.30 | stew | Feto: what does "/sbin/runlevel" return? |
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| 15:48.43 | Feto | yes i am |
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| 15:49.01 | Feto | N 2 |
| 15:49.09 | fie | I have to go bathe... interview at one.. it's installing |
| 15:49.25 | Feto | i interrupted the boot process... to go to maintenance mode |
| 15:49.31 | Feto | it's the only way to use the box |
| 15:49.40 | Feto | it fails even in single user |
| 15:50.34 | a1ex` | hiho. i have a little question. when upgrading from sarge to etch, is it possible to use another kernel, 64bit instead of 32bit? or will this cause problems with the rest of the system? (the processor supports it, of course) |
| 15:50.36 | Feto | if i removed the gdm kdm and friends from the init scripts, there wouldn't be a reason to start graphical right? |
| 15:51.01 | Feto | i'm gonna try rebooting and see what happens |
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| 15:51.04 | valdyn | a1ex`: you can do this yourself, debian does not support this. |
| 15:51.07 | Feto | i'll be right back |
| 15:51.34 | valdyn | a1ex`: it has nothing to do with upgrading anyway |
| 15:51.46 | azeem | valdyn: there's a 64bit kernel for i386 in etch I thought |
| 15:52.04 | valdyn | azeem: and i thought this was removed prior to release |
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| 15:52.31 | a1ex` | k. i just wasnt shure if a change in the architechture when changing the kernel anyway would cause problems with the rest |
| 15:52.33 | wols | a1ex`: for debian, x86-64 is another platform. you can't upgrade to it |
| 15:52.41 | a1ex` | ah ok |
| 15:52.41 | azeem | valdyn: hrm, maybe it was |
| 15:52.49 | wols | azeem: and while you can run a 64bit kernel, that won#t give you a 64bit userland |
| 15:53.05 | azeem | !info linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 etch |
| 15:53.15 | azeem | wols: a1ex` didn't say userland |
| 15:53.31 | a1ex` | i havent even heard it before :< |
| 15:53.38 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64: (Linux 2.6.18 image on AMD64), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12 (etch), Packaged size: 16423 kB, Installed size: 65988 kB |
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| 15:53.55 | valdyn | a1ex`: why would you need a 64-bit kernel? |
| 15:53.56 | azeem | "This package provides the binary image and pre-built loadable modules for Linux kernel 2.6.18 on all 64bit single- and multiprocessor AMD and Intel machines." |
| 15:54.03 | blaamann_home | TTRanger: Yes |
| 15:54.15 | blaamann_home | Oops...wrong |
| 15:54.17 | azeem | valdyn: why not? |
| 15:54.27 | Feto | nope |
| 15:54.29 | Feto | no good |
| 15:54.30 | a1ex` | because the machine has an amd64, so why not use it :x |
| 15:54.32 | valdyn | azeem: its not without issues |
| 15:54.33 | Feto | still goes graphical |
| 15:54.37 | wols | valdyn: ain reason would be better high mem support I guess |
| 15:54.37 | azeem | running a 64bit kernel on i386 isn't so stupid I think |
| 15:54.39 | azeem | valdyn: like? |
| 15:54.46 | azeem | valdyn: (honestly, I don't know) |
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| 15:55.14 | valdyn | azeem: i dont have a complete picture of this. I know that some sdl library used to be broken on that setup |
| 15:55.44 | a1ex` | but if theres no way to change the rest of the system accordingly ill just stay with a normal one |
| 15:55.46 | Feto | !nodm |
| 15:55.46 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 15:55.57 | valdyn | a1ex`: its pointless, if you do not use the additional features offered by an amd64 kernel |
| 15:56.08 | a1ex` | k |
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| 15:56.17 | azeem | valdyn: "additional features" being "faster" |
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| 15:56.22 | valdyn | a1ex`: speed improvment wont be noticable and might not exist |
| 15:56.32 | cast | is the NX bit any use? |
| 15:56.34 | Feto | ok i did the echo "false" thing |
| 15:56.47 | Feto | gonna try again |
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| 15:57.01 | valdyn | azeem: yea, well, the 1% sys he might have, being 20% faster would give him a total of: 0,25% speed boast ;) |
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| 15:57.19 | azeem | what is 1% sys? |
| 15:57.51 | valdyn | azeem: run top, check the cpu load values: there's %us %sys etc |
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| 15:58.57 | CalJohn | I have a usb belkin wireless dongle. Does debian testing include the drivers; rt73, rt2570 and zd1211b. Is there any way to check if testing does include these? |
| 15:59.07 | azeem | valdyn: anyway, I think the -686->-amd64 change is something which might actually be sensible unless there are serious regressions |
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| 15:59.19 | wols | CalJohn: pdo |
| 15:59.25 | wols | CalJohn: /msg dpkg pdo |
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| 16:01.14 | CalJohn | wols: cool. but what do debian call their kernel packages? |
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| 16:01.19 | azeem | CalJohn: linux-image-* |
| 16:02.24 | Feto | aparently that thing only worked until next reboot |
| 16:02.53 | stew | i'm still curious about why he has a "init[S]" process |
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| 16:03.06 | stew | oh, he said |
| 16:03.19 | stew | Feto: oh, so when you were running psgrep, X wasn't running? |
| 16:03.21 | stew | no wonder |
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| 16:03.36 | stew | Feto: if X starts, you should be able to hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a text console |
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| 16:05.08 | Feto | stew: i can't |
| 16:05.22 | Feto | i mean i should |
| 16:05.27 | Feto | but i can't |
| 16:05.42 | CalJohn | azeem: that still doesn't help much. What'd be really awesome is a list of drivers/hardware that debian ships with by default. |
| 16:05.55 | wols | Feto: what driver do you use? |
| 16:06.05 | Feto | let me see |
| 16:06.25 | Feto | ati |
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| 16:06.34 | azeem | CalJohn: packages.debian.org can list the files included in a particular package, so you can look through the file list and see whether your .ko is included |
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| 16:06.41 | Feto | btw, the thing was running perfectly |
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| 16:06.44 | CalJohn | azeem: oh, i see |
| 16:06.46 | wols | the "ati" driver? for whcih card? |
| 16:06.52 | Feto | suddenly it stopped working |
| 16:06.55 | Feto | x300 |
| 16:07.03 | wols | Feto: try vesa |
| 16:07.19 | Feto | ok, but X was running fine before |
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| 16:07.30 | Feto | and I didn't cahnge anything about it |
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| 16:08.32 | stew | Feto: why can't you? |
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| 16:09.15 | Feto | it just hangs |
| 16:09.22 | Feto | with vesa X runs fine |
| 16:09.30 | Newk | http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ << ATI related |
| 16:09.32 | Feto | let me change back to ati and startx |
| 16:09.39 | stew | Feto: you want radeon |
| 16:10.09 | Feto | oh i do? |
| 16:10.12 | Feto | let me try radeon |
| 16:10.29 | stew | if you choose "ati" it should switch to "radeon" automatically when you start x |
| 16:11.00 | Feto | that's what i thought |
| 16:11.04 | Feto | but i changed to radeon anyways |
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| 16:12.09 | Feto | ok when i startx as root gnome starts fine |
| 16:12.17 | Feto | when i startx as Feto, no wm starts |
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| 16:12.25 | Feto | i just get the meshy background and the X cursor |
| 16:12.28 | Enverex | Are nVidia drivers broken in Sid? |
| 16:12.36 | Feto | i checked .xinitrc and it's fine |
| 16:12.40 | stew | Feto: sounds like a problem with .xsession / .xinitrc |
| 16:13.56 | Feto | bbl |
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| 16:16.37 | rahul | that stupid stoned is gonna forget. |
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| 16:19.31 | LLcoolM_ | whats the keyboard combination for increasing display resolution? |
| 16:19.43 | LLcoolM_ | a game crashed and so i am left with 640x480 |
| 16:19.44 | azeem | ctrl+alt+<numpad-+> |
| 16:19.52 | De_Mon | ctr+alt+nu... that |
| 16:19.52 | wols | LLcoolM_: cometimes ctrl+alt+numpad plus works |
| 16:19.59 | Enverex | LLcoolM_, "xrandr -s 0" works too |
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| 16:20.25 | LLcoolM_ | numpad didnt work |
| 16:20.35 | LLcoolM_ | but xrand helped |
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| 16:21.40 | Neeesat25 | Hello |
| 16:21.53 | LLcoolM_ | thx |
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| 16:22.57 | Neeesat25 | I am trying to compile a package and I have read that I have to add QTDIR/bin to my PATH variable. How I do that? |
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| 16:23.16 | azeem | Neeesat25: export PATH=$PATH:$QTDIR/bin |
| 16:23.34 | Neeesat25 | Oh ok, Thanks |
| 16:23.41 | dmlb2000 | Okay, I `apt-get source linux-image-2.6.21-1-686` then modify the configs since its building something I'm attempting to work on then dpkg-buildpackage then for some reason apt seems to think it needs to be updated... anyone have this happen to them? |
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| 16:23.58 | dmlb2000 | constantly needs to be updated |
| 16:24.05 | azeem | apt? |
| 16:24.08 | dmlb2000 | every `apt-get dist-upgrade` |
| 16:24.15 | dmlb2000 | twice it a row type of thing |
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| 16:24.30 | azeem | did you install the kernel .deb? |
| 16:24.34 | shiki | ive got a problem with my audio it is a "00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 16:24.34 | shiki | ", i cannot get it to make any sound, already tried Unstable kernel and still, can anyone help me? |
| 16:24.38 | dmlb2000 | I have a local repository that I put it in... |
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| 16:25.07 | azeem | dmlb2000: paste the output to a pastebin |
| 16:25.32 | dmlb2000 | Okay hold up just rebooted :\ |
| 16:25.36 | wols | shiki: alsaconf not working? |
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| 16:26.02 | shiki | wols: it says everythings ends ok and should work properly, but it doesnt, it is not muted, and volumes are raised |
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| 16:27.36 | leming | shiki, try playing an mp3 as root, with something like mpg123.. might just be a permission issue |
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| 16:30.23 | wykis | hello, when trying to install aptitude, I get this: http://rafb.net/p/w2SeiE61.txt |
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| 16:30.59 | shiki | "SHIKI:/home/shiki# aplay /home/shiki/download-Atreyu-Creature-182389.mp3 Playing raw data '/home/shiki/download-Atreyu-Creature-182389.mp3' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono" still now sound |
| 16:31.36 | wykis | ... and when trying to install libapt thing, I get this: http://rafb.net/p/IW3Tky30.txt |
| 16:31.41 | shiki | and i am playing it with su command, i think i get to root terminal that way... and made that command and still |
| 16:32.12 | wykis | shiki: try mpg321 or mplayer |
| 16:32.23 | dmlb2000 | azeem: uhm pastebin doesn't seem to be working so hot... hold up I have my own... |
| 16:33.18 | shiki | wykis: uh okey but i am dist-upgrading to unstable, need to wait a little cause i aint got mpg312 or mplayer :) |
| 16:33.40 | wykis | ok :-P |
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| 16:34.11 | azeem | wykis: unstable? |
| 16:34.28 | wols | wykis: what debian release? |
| 16:34.50 | dmlb2000 | azeem: Okay http://dmlb2000.homelinux.org/~dmlb2000/stupid-apt.txt try that |
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| 16:35.10 | wykis | azeem, wols: debian unstable, using debootstrap |
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| 16:36.02 | azeem | wykis: there you go, unstable is broken WRT aptitude right now |
| 16:36.50 | wykis | I see azeem :) |
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| 16:38.16 | fluxdude | in top is there a way of selecting all procs NOT owned by user? (I know you can select by user by I want to exclude by user instead) |
| 16:38.39 | Gathond | fluxdude: ps and grep |
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| 16:39.17 | fluxdude | no no no, I can do that but I want a way of doing it inside top cos I want to watch a certain view on usage |
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| 16:40.41 | azeem | dmlb2000: weird, I've no idea why this is |
| 16:40.59 | dmlb2000 | azeem: yeah same here... |
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| 16:41.23 | dmlb2000 | azeem: where does apt keep all the debs it downloads? |
| 16:41.33 | azeem | in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 16:41.37 | dmlb2000 | k |
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| 16:42.14 | blackba55 | i have a strange problem ... i can't ping localhost .... what's wrong ? |
| 16:42.15 | kilzhz | somebody know where i could find a # for 64 studio |
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| 16:42.25 | dmlb2000 | azeem: huh, there's nothing there... I thought apt kept those... |
| 16:42.41 | dmlb2000 | well at least the latest ones... |
| 16:42.58 | _r1_ | hi, how I can block a version of a package ? Infact I use a package with dependences miss. So when I use aptitude, he claims that I must remove it. How doing to tell him letting this dependaces in normal way ? |
| 16:43.08 | kilzhz | channle for 64 studio somebody? |
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| 16:43.24 | azeem | dmlb2000: there's a configure option for that, but it keeps them by default I think, yes |
| 16:43.28 | dmlb2000 | blackba55: check your loopback interface, is `ifconfig lo` say anything? |
| 16:43.39 | dmlb2000 | azeem: ahh... |
| 16:44.12 | blackba55 | dmlb2000: yes it does say something .... |
| 16:44.25 | dmlb2000 | blackba55: does it have 127.0.0.1 address? |
| 16:45.04 | blackba55 | dmlb2000: well ... it doesn't show any 127.0.0.1 |
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| 16:45.17 | _r1_ | So nobody to tell me how I can force aptitude (or apt in general) to ignore some packages ? |
| 16:45.25 | gokiwork | How do I set a system to boot up with eth0 configured with a static ip? |
| 16:45.34 | dkr | _r1_: /etc/apt/preferences |
| 16:45.40 | gokiwork | From the command line |
| 16:45.45 | dmlb2000 | blackba55: check /etc/network/interfaces does that have something like 'iface lo inet loopback' in it? |
| 16:45.51 | blackba55 | gokiwork: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:45.58 | _r1_ | dkr: I haven't found anything which satisfied me in the manpage. |
| 16:46.23 | blackba55 | dmlb2000: yes it does |
| 16:46.43 | dmlb2000 | blackba55: is there a line that says 'auto lo' in that file as well? |
| 16:46.49 | dkr | _r1_: you can use a "hold" in aptitude so it won't be removed |
| 16:47.18 | blackba55 | dmlb2000: hah ... i found it ... lo was down for some reason ... i did ifup lo ... and it works now .. thanks for the help |
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| 16:47.40 | dkr | _r1_: it's the "=" key |
| 16:47.47 | _r1_ | dkr: ok. |
| 16:47.48 | dmlb2000 | blackba55: well if you don't have 'auto lo' in /etc/network/interfaces after you reboot it will be down again... |
| 16:47.54 | _r1_ | dkr: will reread that. |
| 16:48.33 | _r1_ | dkr: infact "hold" keyword don't appear on the manpage |
| 16:49.07 | blackba55 | dmlb2000: yeah .. my bad .. i have 2 networks ... one wlan0 and one eth0 .. and i wanted eth0 to be default .. so i put a # in front of auto lo wlan0 .... that's the reason ... thx for the tip |
| 16:49.58 | dkr | _r1_: push "?" for help in aptitude, it says "=": Hold a package at its current version and to prevent upgrades. (which also conveniently prevents it from benig removed i fupdates call for that) |
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| 16:50.27 | _r1_ | dkr: right but I prefer pass trough a config file. |
| 16:50.34 | dkr | _r1_: and "hold" appears many time sin the man page. you are doing it wrong. :) |
| 16:50.38 | _r1_ | dkr: i'll try that anyway |
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| 16:52.06 | wols | !hold |
| 16:52.06 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
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| 16:53.00 | gokiwork | blackba55: thanks |
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| 16:53.44 | HostilePenguin | whats somthing like gparted but not gparted |
| 16:53.55 | HostilePenguin | im using xfce4 |
| 16:53.56 | gokiwork | qtparted? |
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| 16:54.46 | ozzilee | dkr: Hey, related question about apt pinning. Can I use it to specify, for example, that the package "libsqlite3-ruby" should be installed from testing (without having it installed yet), and then run apt-get install libsqlite3-ruby and expect it to work like apt-get install -t testing libsqlite3-ruby? (My intuition is no, but I'm fairly new to Debian.) |
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| 16:55.50 | malheur | thanks dpkg :) |
| 16:55.50 | dpkg | my pleasure, malheur |
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| 16:56.42 | _r1_ | wols, dkr : I hold the two packages, but when I `sudo aptitude install` I obtain the same message. |
| 16:56.53 | cj | gar. what's the pgp key for the etch repository? |
| 16:56.55 | cj | how do I find it? |
| 16:57.05 | dkr | ozzilee: yes, you can |
| 16:57.27 | tarzeau | abrotman, i'm doing so good: telnet 80.219.76.235 27015 |
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| 16:57.28 | cj | oh, ther eit is... |
| 16:57.32 | cj | http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?search=debian+etch&op=index |
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| 16:58.07 | ozzilee | dkr: Really! Well that's great news. Are there some tricks to doing it (it doesn't seem to work the way I have it set up), or is there some documentation you can point me to? |
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| 16:58.16 | cj | hurm... still getting authentication error... |
| 16:58.38 | cj | can someone confirm that key 0xADB11277 is used to sign ucf, fuse-utils, libfuse2, libntfs9 and ntfsprogs? |
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| 16:59.30 | wols | _r1_: what message? full apt output |
| 16:59.37 | dkr | ozzilee: one problem I encountered with pinning was that you have to be careful with using aliases like etch/lenny vs testing, you need to use the dir names used in your specific apt repo |
| 16:59.58 | cj | ah. apt-key update, eh? :) |
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| 17:00.51 | _r1_ | wols: The following packages will be REMOVED: emacs22 emacs22-bin-common |
| 17:00.51 | ozzilee | dkr: The problem I run into is that dependencies don't seem to come from the directory I specify, i.e. it works more like "apt-get install libsqlite3-ruby/testing" than "apt-get install -t testing libsqlite3-ruby" |
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| 17:00.58 | _r1_ | wols: nothing else revelent. |
| 17:01.16 | wols | _r1_: please let us decide what's relevant or not |
| 17:01.23 | wols | what you pasted is not "full" |
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| 17:02.10 | dkr | ozzilee: ah, yeah, I've only done this explicitly specifying each package |
| 17:02.44 | ozzilee | dkr: Ah. Ok, therein lies my problem, as I want to install build-essential from testing. That's quite a list of packages to pin. |
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| 17:02.58 | wols | ozzilee: don't |
| 17:03.06 | wols | !tell ozzilee about bobbitt |
| 17:03.09 | stew | ozzilee: and where are the rest of the packages going to come from ? stable? or unstable? |
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| 17:03.35 | _Andrew | Can someone direct me to the documentation on how to fill a bug on a project that needs packaging? |
| 17:03.41 | _r1_ | wols: http://paste-it.net/2535 |
| 17:03.44 | Ronin | !bts |
| 17:03.45 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:04.22 | alecjw | hi. just a quick question: which is newer/more cutting edge? unstable or testing? |
| 17:04.37 | stew | _Andrew: file an ITP: /msg dpkg itp ; /msg dpkg wnpp |
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| 17:04.48 | stew | _Andrew: basically you'd file a bug on the "wnpp" pseudopackage |
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| 17:05.00 | Spec | I'm running a bunch of Debian servers in a Virtual Infrastructure(Vmware ESX3.0), and I'm wondering about the performance of the disk drivers (LSI / BusLogic). What's the best way to test I/O to a disk controller in debian? |
| 17:05.01 | ozzilee | Er, ok... well build-essential won't install from stable, tells me some of the dependencies are not going to be installed. I'm guessing because newer versions were already installed with my Testing version of libsqlite3-ruby. Which I need. If there's a better solution... |
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| 17:05.15 | stew | _Andrew: i'm sorry, not ITP but an RFP |
| 17:05.31 | _r1_ | wols: so anything more revelant ? ... |
| 17:05.41 | wols | _r1_: where did you get emacs22 from? |
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| 17:05.51 | _r1_ | wols: that's not my question... |
| 17:05.55 | _r1_ | ok thanks. |
| 17:06.01 | _r1_ | I'll found that alone. |
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| 17:06.10 | stew | ozzilee: likely build-essential from stable wont install becuase you are runnign testing, not stable |
| 17:06.16 | stew | ozzilee: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 17:06.36 | wols | _r1_: since we cannot know who packaged emacs22 how, how should we know what it conflicts with and why it gets removed? |
| 17:07.14 | ozzilee | stew: 2.5-9+b1 |
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| 17:07.28 | _r1_ | wols: I never ask for a conflict resolution. |
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| 17:07.33 | stew | ozzilee: right, you aren't running stable. |
| 17:07.41 | ozzilee | stew: What should I be running if I just installed the standard system from netinst? That's what I'm running. |
| 17:07.51 | stew | ozzilee: 2.3.6 |
| 17:08.19 | ozzilee | stew: which is not Stable? |
| 17:08.40 | ozzilee | (then why does apt install everything from Stable as default?) |
| 17:08.41 | stew | ozzilee: 2.3.6 is stable, 2.5-9 is testing or unstable or something else |
| 17:08.42 | wols | _r1_: create a equivs package. you put your package system in an inconsisten state. you must resolve this if apt is supposed to work |
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| 17:09.00 | _r1_ | wols: I thinks it's my only way right. |
| 17:09.17 | ozzilee | Right, so libc6 got upgraded, likely when I installed libsqlite3-ruby from testing. |
| 17:09.27 | _r1_ | wols: ho no... wrong read. |
| 17:09.51 | stew | ozzilee: this means that you should either reinstall stable from scratch, or finish upgrading to testing. running testing on a server is not recommended btw, since it doesn't get security updates |
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| 17:10.13 | stew | ozzilee: and installing testing packages onto stable is a bad idea for this reason, /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:10.17 | _r1_ | wols: Infact I just ask if it was possible to say apt to totally ignore some packages. |
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| 17:10.39 | wols | and I told you |
| 17:10.53 | wols | not if you want to use apt |
| 17:11.01 | ozzilee | stew: So basically, running sqlite with rails in unpossible in debian if you want to be halfway secure? (Rails needs the newer version of sqlite3 that's in testing.) |
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| 17:11.12 | wols | but as I said you can create a dummy equivs package simply to satisfy depencencies |
| 17:11.18 | stew | ozzilee: no, that is not true. you could run a backport |
| 17:11.24 | _r1_ | wols: ok my first read was the good :) |
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| 17:11.42 | _r1_ | wols: so I agree. I must rebuild this package... |
| 17:11.48 | wols | Ronin: no |
| 17:11.56 | Ronin | ? |
| 17:11.56 | _Andrew | stew: Do I just add the header tag "Package: wnpp" to my bug report or are there anymore tags I need to add? I have never filed a bug report with Debian before |
| 17:11.59 | wols | _r1_: no. you can create a equivs package |
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| 17:12.01 | wols | !equivs |
| 17:12.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 17:12.04 | CMA-X | hello |
| 17:12.13 | stew | _Andrew: run "reportbug wnpp" |
| 17:12.13 | alecjw | which is more cutting edge? unstable or testing? |
| 17:12.16 | CMA-X | 753 users wow |
| 17:12.17 | ozzilee | stew: Ok, I'll look into backports then. Thanks for the help. |
| 17:12.22 | Spec | alecjw: unstable. |
| 17:12.22 | wols | alecjw: unstable |
| 17:12.27 | Ronin | alecjw: unstable, then testing, then stable |
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| 17:12.41 | _r1_ | wols: ho... better. Thanks. |
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| 17:12.51 | CMA-X | at debian-es only 89 |
| 17:13.10 | alecjw | thanks Spec wols and Ronin :) |
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| 17:14.28 | _Andrew | stew: I'm not running debian. Can I just report it to the bug tracker? |
| 17:14.59 | Ronin | _Andrew: umm if your not running debian how is it a debian bug? :) |
| 17:15.16 | stew | Ronin: he's asking about an RFP |
| 17:15.24 | _Andrew | Ronin: I am trying to get a game packaged in debian. |
| 17:15.34 | stew | _Andrew: yes, but i suggest you look at some open RFPs for the format of the mail. |
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| 17:15.50 | q1w2e3r4_ | Hi@all =) |
| 17:16.05 | stew | _Andrew: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#l2 |
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| 17:16.44 | q1w2e3r4_ | Question: Is there a way to completely forward any network activity of a process (the gnome terminal) through tor? |
| 17:16.51 | CMA-X | how I can change tty acces keys ? ALT+F1, F2 etc... |
| 17:17.33 | Braindead | q1w2e3r4_: expand and complete the question. right now it doesn't make sense at all |
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| 17:17.49 | pickcoder | q1w2e3r4_: considered using a proxy? |
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| 17:18.01 | q1w2e3r4_ | hmm, i'll try to explain... |
| 17:18.33 | pickcoder | ugh.. it's like 78 in here |
| 17:18.40 | q1w2e3r4_ | for example if i use "lynx" to open google.com. i want to anonyse the connection |
| 17:18.44 | pickcoder | poor servers |
| 17:19.10 | q1w2e3r4_ | well, i just want to anonymise anything that wants into networt through the gnome-terminal ^^ |
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| 17:20.05 | Braindead | q1w2e3r4_: http_proxy env variable |
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| 17:21.06 | q1w2e3r4_ | Braindead, currently my tor forward localhost:8118 and 9050, but not all applications support usage of a proxy |
| 17:21.44 | q1w2e3r4_ | I was thinking about an application that catches any network activities of any other application and forwards it through tor |
| 17:22.01 | wols | q1w2e3r4_: socksify, socat, etc |
| 17:22.04 | q1w2e3r4_ | like a sockscap oder something |
| 17:22.10 | wols | q1w2e3r4_: with those you can socksify any app |
| 17:22.29 | q1w2e3r4_ | perfect, i'll give it a try :-) |
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| 17:22.37 | wols | or look at transparent proxies (iptables) |
| 17:22.48 | _Andrew | stew: got it thanks for your help. :D |
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| 17:23.10 | Neeesat25 | I am trying to compile qt-embedded-free-3.3.5 but I get: /usr/local/src/qt-embedded-free-3.3.5/bin/uic: error while loading shared libraries: libqte-mt.so.3 |
| 17:23.40 | Braindead | Neeesat25: how is your question related to debian ? |
| 17:24.16 | Neeesat25 | Did anyone try to compile that before on debian? |
| 17:25.44 | Neeesat25 | nevermind I will ask mythtv |
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| 17:29.02 | schoppenhauer | hello. i was upgrading my xserver-xorg (i think... i just upgraded the whole system with aptitude) (debian lenny)... now, the xserver doesnt want to start anymore neither using "nvidia" nore "nv", with vesa it starts but crashes after a short while. i recompiled the nvidia-driver myself already, but this didnt help. using nvidia, the xserver doesnt start, using nv, the xserver crashes on startup, leaving a blank screen and freezing ... |
| 17:29.08 | schoppenhauer | ... the computer, using vesa, it starts a short time and then crashes. i really dont know what to do :(. |
| 17:29.39 | avtobiff | schoppenhauer, what does the xserver log say? |
| 17:29.51 | sealibora | helo, anyone using mpt-status with LSI 53c1030 on amd64 ? |
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| 17:30.06 | sealibora | i'm using stable |
| 17:30.45 | schoppenhauer | avtobiff: for nvidia it said that it cannot find the module nvidia (but that cannot be, i explicitly modprobed it before starting xorg). using nv and vesa, i dont know, the computer freezes after doing that |
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| 17:31.27 | avtobiff | schoppenhauer, but have you installed the driver for xorg? |
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| 17:32.20 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 17:32.28 | schoppenhauer | avtobiff: what do you mean? it worked before upgrading. perfectly for almost one year. i installed nvidia using m-a a-i nvidia. i hope thats what you need to know. sorry, dont know, what you exactly want to know. |
| 17:32.47 | avtobiff | schoppenhauer, it sounds like you dont have the driver that xorg want to use (Driver "nvidia") it resides in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ |
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| 17:34.39 | wols | !btssmite schoppenhauer |
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| 17:34.43 | schoppenhauer | avtobiff: there is an nvidia_drv.o and an nv_drv.so. and as i said, with vesa it also crashed after a short while |
| 17:34.53 | avtobiff | yes. |
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| 17:35.17 | bueno | heLLo =) |
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| 17:35.24 | avtobiff | schoppenhauer, post your log somewhere (pastebin or whatever) |
| 17:35.28 | schoppenhauer | wols: i am not running unstable. and i do not have a useful browser. |
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| 17:36.30 | avtobiff | schoppenhauer, do you have a web server then? |
| 17:36.38 | wols | schoppenhauer: you don#t run stable. which is why bts applies you always |
| 17:36.46 | wols | and why don't you have a browser? |
| 17:37.10 | schoppenhauer | wols: i am running lenny, as i said. |
| 17:37.30 | wols | whichi si not stable as I said |
| 17:37.33 | schoppenhauer | wols: i have links2. but i dont know where to find recend bugs there (no bookmark) |
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| 17:37.41 | schoppenhauer | wols: it is also not unstable. it is testing |
| 17:37.50 | wols | I know. |
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| 17:38.09 | wols | testing is not stable, testing is supposed to have bugs |
| 17:38.10 | foo | Err, nfs mount is "busy" ... and I can't umount it. ps aux|grep mountname shows nothing, lsof |
| 17:38.21 | foo | | grep mount hangs ... |
| 17:38.22 | wols | otherwise, why would we need to test it? |
| 17:38.22 | foo | Any ideas? |
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| 17:38.48 | stew | does someone have a sarge box with findutils_4.1.20-6_i386 installed? can you please tell me "md5sum $(which updatedb)" |
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| 17:39.22 | schoppenhauer | wols: ok. you are right, i should have tried to look for it on bugs.debian.org... i only searched in google and couldnt find anything useful. sorry. could you please post a link where i can find the recend bugs? |
| 17:39.27 | schoppenhauer | t |
| 17:39.33 | schoppenhauer | wols: this his hard using links2 in console-mode ^^ |
| 17:39.37 | regeya | I don't know if I care for that 'testing is supposed to have bugs' statement. why is it SUPPOSED to have bugs??? What, bugs are introduced just especially for testing? |
| 17:39.38 | wols | bugs.debian.org |
| 17:39.38 | foo | stew: abed18ad7d062d0fb48dff29cd62cf65 /usr/bin/updatedb |
| 17:39.44 | stew | foo: thanks |
| 17:39.48 | schoppenhauer | wols: yes. but no link to the recent bugs |
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| 17:40.11 | Braindead | schoppenhauer: http://bugs.debian.org/packagename |
| 17:40.11 | wols | there is none afaik. but you know which pakcage |
| 17:40.53 | Braindead | schoppenhauer: by the way if you don't know your way around the BTS after "almost a year" of testing you're just lucky. and uninformed |
| 17:40.59 | wols | schoppenhauer: nvidia-glx |
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| 17:42.35 | schoppenhauer | Braindead: i already reported bugs, but neither using reportbug nore using links2 ^^ |
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| 17:42.53 | schoppenhauer | ok... i'll better go now before being lynched. sorry for wasting your time ^^. |
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| 17:43.15 | wols | schoppenhauer: apt-listbugs is also informative |
| 17:43.25 | marcrosoft | This is not really a debian question, but I was wondering how to make a shell command that would determine if a drive has been mounted or not.. if it hasnt then execute "mount -a".. fstab.... The command mount will list it but im not sure how to determine if its listed... grep? |
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| 17:43.51 | wols | marcrosoft: sed, awk, tail grep trickery |
| 17:43.54 | Braindead | schoppenhauer: no, we're not starting up a posse or a lynch mob. yeah apt-listbugs may come in handy. just check aptitude logs to see exactly which packages were upgraded and then start checking the BTS |
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| 17:44.00 | wols | marcrosoft: bash |
| 17:44.06 | wols | marcrosoft: #bash |
| 17:44.09 | NarfligiX | replace, how r u? |
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| 17:44.16 | replace | NarfligiX ;@ |
| 17:44.21 | NarfligiX | replace, =@~ |
| 17:44.28 | marcrosoft | wols, thanks |
| 17:44.30 | wols | schoppenhauer: you aren't the first one with that bug today here |
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| 17:45.02 | wols | schoppenhauer: tons of people come in here with that issue who are not really qualified running testing or unstable |
| 17:45.02 | xdr | where can I copypaste a LONG error= |
| 17:45.12 | Braindead | schoppenhauer: /var/log/aptitude by the way (I didn't notice the BTSsmite, ahaha) |
| 17:45.15 | wols | !tell NarfligiX about u |
| 17:45.16 | Eclipser | rafb.net/paste |
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| 17:45.22 | zoid_ | so... tomcat is running, but i can't deploy, this is the error, http://rafb.net/p/FDxalz83.html , any ideas? |
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| 17:45.46 | wols | !any idea |
| 17:45.46 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of starving platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 17:45.57 | zoid_ | hahahah |
| 17:46.07 | HostilePenguin | i like that one |
| 17:46.09 | wols | zoid_: what java version? |
| 17:46.30 | zoid_ | 1.5.0-10-3 |
| 17:46.38 | wols | sun jre? |
| 17:46.48 | zoid_ | sun-java5-jre/jdk/demo/bin |
| 17:46.51 | wols | and sun jre only? |
| 17:47.05 | wols | have you installed it the debian way? |
| 17:47.18 | zoid_ | yes |
| 17:47.23 | zoid_ | (now yes) |
| 17:47.25 | stew | zoid_: what does "readlink -f $(which java)" return? |
| 17:47.33 | pickcoder | marcrosoft: example: grep hda1 /proc/mounts | wc -l |
| 17:47.55 | pickcoder | that will count the number of mounts for hda1 |
| 17:47.55 | zoid_ | stew: it returns: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10/jre/bin/java |
| 17:48.06 | stew | pickcoder: he probably just wants grep -q |
| 17:48.16 | schoppenhauer | wols: no. none of these bugs really applies to me... my x-server doesnt even run using vesa. |
| 17:48.41 | zoid_ | there is a tomcat on this box on /usr/local from a long time ago, it stoped working correctly after dist-upgrade |
| 17:48.43 | zoid_ | so |
| 17:48.45 | wols | schoppenhauer: it crashes directly with vesa? |
| 17:48.54 | wols | schoppenhauer: how about nv? |
| 17:49.03 | zoid_ | i installed the deb package and decided to do it the debian way |
| 17:49.04 | schoppenhauer | wols: nv never worked properly. |
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| 17:49.16 | pickcoder | stew: for a bash test, yeah |
| 17:49.21 | wols | schoppenhauer: then something in your install is broken it seems |
| 17:49.22 | zoid_ | what was running on tomcat is opencms |
| 17:49.28 | dogmeat | how can i validate a file on disk, e.g. that all it's bytes are in order |
| 17:49.42 | zoid_ | dogmeat: md5sum? |
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| 17:50.22 | schoppenhauer | wols: vesa always worked, or at least when it crashed, it didnt freeze my computer... ok. whatever. i will try to downgrade xorg... |
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| 17:50.47 | schoppenhauer | wols: am i right that this should help at least temporarily? |
| 17:51.10 | zoid_ | stew: only to add info: after dist-upgrade the local version of tomcat stoped exporting right |
| 17:51.11 | wols | schoppenhauer: when nv isn't working, them imho you have a different problem underlying |
| 17:51.17 | wols | compunded by the current nvidia problem |
| 17:51.35 | pickcoder | I noticed that my VIA xserver for some reason kills the machine |
| 17:51.41 | stew | zoid_: if i were you, i'd be asking in #tomcat |
| 17:51.52 | wols | pickcoder: very shitty drivers probably :) |
| 17:51.53 | pickcoder | vesa or vga work fine |
| 17:52.05 | pickcoder | it's an onboard S3 Virge |
| 17:52.20 | zoid_ | i did, nobody answered yet |
| 17:52.22 | wols | but nv isn't that bad (I had a savage4 card, just as bad in X) |
| 17:52.29 | pickcoder | yeah that's what I assumed too and decided to ignore it |
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| 17:53.10 | wols | and when vesa is borked then the shit really hit the fan |
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| 17:54.47 | schoppenhauer | wols: *argh*... i cannot downgrade... ok... thank you for your help so far... |
| 17:56.08 | wols | schoppenhauer: manually you can |
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| 17:56.17 | wols | with apt of course not |
| 17:56.20 | schoppenhauer | wols: i know |
| 17:56.31 | schoppenhauer | wols: but i dont have the older package saved anymore... |
| 17:56.39 | schoppenhauer | wols: ok... but i should be able to solve this alone |
| 17:56.43 | schoppenhauer | wols: thank you. |
| 17:56.47 | wols | snapshot.debian.org, lenny packages, etc |
| 17:56.57 | wols | snapshot.debian.nte rather |
| 17:56.57 | stew | how can you downgrade manually that can't be done with apt? |
| 17:57.29 | wols | well, not automatically |
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| 17:57.46 | teeeee | how do i remove a package that i installed with 'aptitude' |
| 17:57.54 | stew | teeeee: aptitude remove packagename |
| 17:57.56 | wols | teeeee: with aptitude |
| 17:57.59 | teeeee | ok |
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| 17:58.32 | teeeee | tx =) |
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| 17:59.46 | Feto | ok i'm back |
| 18:00.08 | Feto | so let me see... i deleted .xinitrc from /root and from ~Feto/ |
| 18:00.25 | Feto | startx runs gnome fine as root, but not as Feto |
| 18:00.31 | Feto | what could it be? |
| 18:02.19 | wols | !xsession |
| 18:02.19 | dpkg | [xsession] ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 18:02.54 | schoppenhauer | ok... today is not my lucky day... nvidia-xconfig also has a bug :(... |
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| 18:03.08 | Feto | oh xsession is still used by startx... |
| 18:04.29 | Feto | well root has no .xsession either |
| 18:04.29 | kromagg | Feto: when you select system session or something in gdm it also uses the xsession |
| 18:04.48 | Feto | kromagg: yeah that is the only use i thought it had |
| 18:04.55 | Feto | didn't know startx used it too |
| 18:05.08 | Feto | so anyways, root has no .xsession |
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| 18:05.45 | Feto | so i deleted .xsession from Feto |
| 18:05.47 | Feto | let me check now |
| 18:06.12 | kromagg | Feto: how did you get root for running startx? |
| 18:06.23 | Feto | it's my box :) |
| 18:06.48 | Feto | so anyways... deleted .xsession from Feto and still no wm |
| 18:06.57 | Feto | what else should I check? |
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| 18:07.24 | kromagg | Feto: no I mean, if you didn't do it in a clean environment HOME might have very well been pointing to the user home, in which case X could have dumped some root-only files in your users' home directory |
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| 18:07.54 | kromagg | Feto: check any errors in .xsession-errors and see who owns the .Xauthority file |
| 18:08.07 | Feto | kromagg: startx for root behaves the same in a clean login as well as through su |
| 18:08.26 | Feto | .Xauthority is for each user? |
| 18:08.31 | kromagg | yea |
| 18:08.32 | Feto | root doesn't have one |
| 18:08.35 | Feto | let me check mine |
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| 18:10.02 | Feto | it's owned by me, with mod 600 |
| 18:10.18 | stew | Feto: do you have either a .xsession or a .xinitrc? |
| 18:10.19 | kromagg | how about the .gnome-thingies? |
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| 18:10.32 | Feto | oh that's another one |
| 18:10.40 | Feto | i have the .gnome dir |
| 18:10.43 | Feto | not sure about root |
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| 18:10.45 | kromagg | stew: no, see above |
| 18:10.47 | stew | Feto: and what winodwmanager / desktop environment do you want to have start? |
| 18:10.54 | kromagg | Feto: owned by you? |
| 18:11.07 | Feto | hmm lemme see |
| 18:11.15 | teeeee | if i know my network ip, netmask and broadcast, how can i find out gateway and network? |
| 18:11.17 | kromagg | and what did xsession-errors say? |
| 18:11.38 | stew | teeeee: you can't find your gateway, you don't need to know either network or broadcast |
| 18:11.48 | stew | teeeee: if you don't know your gateway, ask your network administrator |
| 18:11.49 | teeeee | i dont |
| 18:11.53 | teeeee | for /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 18:12.02 | teeeee | turnin network ip into static |
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| 18:12.12 | stew | teeeee: yes, you should not specify either network or broadcast in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:12.17 | teeeee | ok |
| 18:12.21 | Feto | wtf!? i just noticed everything in my home is owned by root |
| 18:12.21 | teeeee | wait |
| 18:12.22 | Feto | brb |
| 18:12.24 | Greyscale | Whats the RAW IRC command to send a message to a channel? |
| 18:12.26 | teeeee | im talking about gateway not broad cast |
| 18:12.48 | Feto | weird... another ls and not anymore |
| 18:12.56 | stew | teeeee: you should be sepcifying gateway for one interface in interfaces |
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| 18:13.30 | joga | I'm looking to install etch on an old lifebook that has no floppy or cdrom, but I have grub configured to boot the installer from hd. the problem I have is that it only has an asix usb nic, and apparently the installer doesn't come with the module |
| 18:13.30 | Feto | yeah i own everything in .gnome et frends |
| 18:13.31 | teeeee | ok did |
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| 18:13.35 | Feto | friends |
| 18:13.40 | teeeee | all i got now i s address, network |
| 18:13.47 | teeeee | addres, netmask and gateway |
| 18:13.49 | joga | what is the most straightforward way to include a module to the installer? |
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| 18:14.04 | Feto | hmm |
| 18:14.14 | stew | teeeee: you only need address, netmask, and gateway, omit network |
| 18:14.17 | joga | and, to build the module for the kernel |
| 18:14.26 | stew | joga: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 18:14.28 | Feto | i wonder |
| 18:14.30 | Feto | if i delete those dirs |
| 18:14.34 | Feto | is that gonna help me? |
| 18:14.35 | teeeee | ok |
| 18:14.37 | stew | Feto: no |
| 18:14.46 | Feto | those are just setting sright? |
| 18:14.48 | teeeee | no network now :( |
| 18:14.59 | Feto | i mean if i delete them and start gnome they'll be remade |
| 18:15.00 | Feto | right? |
| 18:15.01 | joga | stew thanks |
| 18:15.03 | stew | Feto: do you now own everything in your home directory? |
| 18:15.07 | Feto | yeah |
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| 18:15.31 | stew | Feto: and you want gnome to start when you start x? |
| 18:15.47 | teeeee | stew: any idea why i cant get it to connect to the rest of the network |
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| 18:15.59 | Feto | stew: either gnome or kde |
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| 18:16.05 | stew | Feto: which? |
| 18:16.11 | Feto | wait |
| 18:16.19 | Feto | i got some recurring errors from X in the console |
| 18:16.21 | Feto | where i ran it |
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| 18:16.21 | stew | teeeee: what makes you say you can't? what are you trying? |
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| 18:16.36 | stew | Feto: ran what? what errors? put them into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:16.39 | teeeee | well ifconfig |
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| 18:16.45 | Feto | AUDIT: blah : X: client 1 rejected from local host |
| 18:16.47 | teeeee | shows me only local... im rebooting to see what happens |
| 18:16.59 | stew | teeeee: don't use ifconfig, use ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 ; or /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 18:17.07 | Feto | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" rejected by server |
| 18:17.07 | stew | teeeee: don't reboot, there is no point |
| 18:17.09 | joga | stew do you know if the installer kernel comes with /proc/config.gz feature? |
| 18:17.14 | Feto | Xlib: no protocol specified |
| 18:17.17 | teeeee | hehe too late i already did |
| 18:17.24 | Feto | every 2 seconds |
| 18:17.49 | stew | Feto: does .Xauthority exist? is it owned by you? |
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| 18:18.16 | teeeee | stew: ifdown eth0 does nothin for me |
| 18:18.32 | stew | teeeee: if eth0 the name of you network interface? |
| 18:18.36 | Feto | stew: it is there, owned by me, mod 0600 |
| 18:18.48 | teeeee | yes |
| 18:18.55 | stew | teeeee: try "ifup eth0" |
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| 18:19.06 | stew | teeeee: do you have "auto eth0" anywhere in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:19.16 | vin` | joga: no |
| 18:19.20 | teeeee | using eprom |
| 18:19.25 | teeeee | eeprom |
| 18:19.31 | teeeee | set media |
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| 18:19.34 | stew | joga: it comes with /boot/config-$(uname -r) though |
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| 18:19.38 | teeeee | mm let me check on that auto |
| 18:19.57 | Feto | should .Xauthority be executable? |
| 18:20.06 | teeeee | iface eth0 |
| 18:20.24 | teeeee | iface eth0 inet static .. .. |
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| 18:20.31 | stew | teeeee: please stop pasting random stuff in here, if you want to show us something, use a pastebin |
| 18:20.31 | teeeee | i see auto lo |
| 18:20.38 | teeeee | im not pasting |
| 18:20.42 | teeeee | i cant paste.. im typing |
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| 18:20.58 | stew | teeeee: please stop typing random stuff in here |
| 18:21.12 | stew | teeeee: you should have a line that reads "auth eth0" if you want eth0 to be brought up at boot |
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| 18:21.18 | regeya | MEH. whee. |
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| 18:21.51 | regeya | now there's a question: anyone have any idea why the etch installer set up my firewire card as eth0? |
| 18:21.56 | Feto | stew: I renamed .Xauthority, and now gnome runs but it gives me an error about the panel and then restarts |
| 18:21.57 | teeeee | stewt: thank you stew, it is fixed =\) |
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| 18:22.16 | regeya | not that it bothers me, but it made me say 'wait, dude, what?' |
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| 18:23.46 | stew | regeya: so you could use it for networking |
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| 18:23.52 | regeya | I'm imagining someone sitting at home thinking 'idiot. doesn't regeya know that firewire is just for networking?' |
| 18:23.57 | teeeee | stew is smart =) |
| 18:23.59 | teeeee | very smart |
| 18:24.13 | stew | regeya: firewire is not just for networking. firewire can be used for networking |
| 18:24.16 | regeya | teeeee: indeed. |
| 18:24.19 | AhrAsyL | lu |
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| 18:24.22 | AhrAsyL | lu |
| 18:24.24 | Feto | no, it doesn't work without .Xauthority |
| 18:24.29 | AhrAsyL | ooops |
| 18:24.37 | Feto | oh I have a question |
| 18:24.45 | Feto | can .Xauthority be shared by two boxen? |
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| 18:24.55 | Feto | i mean, if I share my home directory |
| 18:25.04 | Feto | and both boxen can run X |
| 18:25.07 | regeya | interesting...EA is using Transgaming Cider to get their games running on Macs |
| 18:25.12 | Feto | is there a problem if .Xauthority is the same thing? |
| 18:26.29 | stew | Feto: anyone with access to your .Xauthority can do anything they want with your xserver if they can get a connection to your xserver (via tcp or via the socket) |
| 18:26.39 | stew | Feto: where anything includes sniffing keystrokes |
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| 18:27.17 | regeya | stew: I agree, but one could argue that just about anything that can do two-way io could be used for networking...thankfully not everything automatically gets set up as 'ethernet' |
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| 18:27.34 | Feto | stew: but it is possible that a user have the same .Xauthority in two different computers... |
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| 18:27.41 | Feto | and X should run fine on either box? |
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| 18:27.52 | stew | Feto: yes |
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| 18:28.10 | Zoo- | hey everyone, I had a question about, giving /home a file system, other than ext3, will it have no effect on the root / file system which I don't think it would, I want to go with a fast performing file system, I liked Mandriva's, JFS, in which I started using Mandrake 10.0 back in 2004 springk, and I also liked.. how XFS behaves, ReiserFS isn't bad as well, any advice? |
| 18:28.10 | stew | Feto: but i don't know why you would want that necessarily |
| 18:28.19 | Zoo- | hello stew |
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| 18:28.28 | Feto | because I mounted my home dir from another box |
| 18:28.29 | stew | Zoo-: when in doubt, use ext3 |
| 18:28.35 | Zoo- | not really in doubt lol |
| 18:28.38 | unsolo | what to do when apt-get update fails |
| 18:28.41 | Zoo- | want to play again with XFS I think :) |
| 18:28.46 | Feto | so the original .Xauthority got deleted and the remote one is in its place now |
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| 18:28.53 | Feto | could that be a problem for starting X? |
| 18:28.57 | stew | Zoo-: xfs isn't a good idea if your box might ever suffer a powerfailure. reiserfs is probably the least reliable |
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| 18:29.18 | Zoo- | just going to give it to the home partition anyways, and ya see, I just did a complete redo, because I was doing tons of testing on my vlk, and on etch |
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| 18:29.41 | stew | unsolo: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:29.43 | Zoo- | nah, no worry about power failure, we have generators, at our skyrise |
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| 18:30.21 | regeya | but...but...I thought that Reiserfs was only unstable if you had crap hardware! Hans wouldn't MISLEAD me, would he? |
| 18:30.30 | Zoo- | why can't debian be fast like gentoo and FreeBSD :P |
| 18:30.40 | Zoo- | lol regeya |
| 18:30.44 | unsolo | http://rafb.net/p/sZpVey52.html |
| 18:30.54 | xand | !spank Zoo- |
| 18:30.54 | Zoo- | guess need to do debian FS :P? |
| 18:31.02 | Zoo- | hee |
| 18:31.15 | pickcoder | how is Debian "slow" |
| 18:31.17 | stew | unsolo: there is no separate amd64 repository anymore. |
| 18:31.18 | regeya | Zoo-: I find Debian to be pretty fast; then again, on Gentoo I didn't use many ricer optimizations |
| 18:31.23 | stew | unsolo: did you recently upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 18:31.25 | Zoo- | lol |
| 18:31.39 | unsolo | stew: hmm dont think i ever upgraded |
| 18:31.41 | Zoo- | well, I"m going to test a home partition with XFS, |
| 18:31.41 | regeya | CFLAGS="-ricer_ULTRAFAST" |
| 18:31.47 | unsolo | its been a dead server for a long time. |
| 18:31.53 | unsolo | just got booted up! |
| 18:32.13 | unsolo | what file do i need to update to get it to fetch the updates |
| 18:32.24 | pickcoder | regeya: is there a nitros button you have press too? |
| 18:32.30 | stew | unsolo: well it appears that you have a sarge installation but your sources.list is pointing to etch, not sarge, you should change sources.list to point to sarge, or upgrade properly to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:32.31 | Zoo- | oh yeah, and I have been trying to configure a couple different programs and plugins, also specifying.. mount permisions. maybe a few could help, if thats okay.. I took the day off today to catch up on IT work and private business |
| 18:32.36 | regeya | Today, we're going to make our Gentoo boxen really really FAST by only writing to disk once every 24 hours!" |
| 18:32.39 | regeya | WHEEEE! |
| 18:32.51 | regeya | heh |
| 18:33.08 | regeya | CFLAGS="-ricer -nitrous -dragster_tailfin" |
| 18:33.25 | Feto | ok if i delete .Xauthority, xauth makes a new one |
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| 18:33.57 | Zoo- | 1, I was especially trying to configure , tao-opengl , so I could configure and make fleow plugin for banshee, I was doing that well but i relied on tao-opengl.. and I even asked #banshee, and opengl and others and mono |
| 18:34.21 | regeya | Zoo-: If you don't have much RAM and you went with some meta package that installs a bunch of crap look to see what services start up automagically. disable anythng you don't need, such as http if you don't need a webserver, or anything nfs related if you don't use nfs |
| 18:34.23 | Zoo- | I know its kind of offtopic, just wondering if anyone has configured that yet |
| 18:34.29 | Zoo- | I do regeya |
| 18:34.39 | regeya | ok |
| 18:35.06 | regeya | Zoo-: I'm interested to know what kind of hw you have, as I've always found fBSD to be slow for interactive apps |
| 18:35.15 | Zoo- | 1 GB DDR2 Cosair module, and the 512 DDR2 that was in there factory by acer..but soon I'm going to be getting a really nice notebook and customizing it :) |
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| 18:35.40 | Zoo- | eh, nothing much, Acer Aspire 3610, Celeron M, i586 |
| 18:35.44 | Zoo- | lol |
| 18:35.51 | Zoo- | gl :) |
| 18:35.59 | regeya | boss has one, and it's hella sweet |
| 18:35.59 | pickcoder | is it really a Mac if it has an Intel processor? |
| 18:36.06 | bkw__ | I've changed my apache documentroot to /home/ftp, but when I start apache and try to access I get permission denied and this in error.log [Wed Jun 13 23:39:54 2007] [notice] Accept mutex: sysvsem (Default: sysvsem) |
| 18:36.06 | bkw__ | [Wed Jun 13 23:39:58 2007] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Directory index forbidden by rule: /home/ftp/ |
| 18:36.06 | regeya | hehe pickcoder |
| 18:36.06 | pickcoder | to me Mac == 68K |
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| 18:36.21 | Zoo- | its a Mactel :P |
| 18:36.34 | regeya | eh, to me Mac == Machine that's running MacOS |
| 18:36.44 | stew | bkw__: and you want it to generate a directory listing? |
| 18:36.48 | regeya | so you could also argue that the Mac has been dead since 2001 |
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| 18:36.57 | pickcoder | it's not a Mac if you put Debian on it, hen |
| 18:36.59 | pickcoder | ~then |
| 18:37.01 | apt | Why not apt now!? |
| 18:37.01 | bkw__ | stew: yes |
| 18:37.03 | Zoo- | engineered on top of FreeBSD with other highly proprietary hardware , firmware, and drivers :- ) |
| 18:37.05 | regeya | since OS X is OPENSTEP |
| 18:37.17 | regeya | tsk tsk osx != fBSD |
| 18:37.21 | stew | regeya: by openstep, you mean offtopic |
| 18:37.39 | stew | bkw__: you need to add the "Indexes" option for that directory |
| 18:37.40 | Zoo- | lol stew |
| 18:37.50 | regeya | I love you too stew...fine. |
| 18:37.58 | xand | how sweet! |
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| 18:39.26 | bkw__ | stew: By default there don't seem to be any such for /var/www/htdocs |
| 18:39.39 | bkw__ | stew: but it has to be added for option? |
| 18:40.33 | pickcoder | directory listings are considered a security exploit these days |
| 18:40.38 | stew | bkw__: you'd have to add a Directory entry for whatever directory you want to have the option, http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#directory |
| 18:40.42 | pickcoder | you only enable them if you _have_ to |
| 18:40.54 | Feto | i can't seem to be able to create a new .Xauthority |
| 18:41.00 | Feto | how can I do that? |
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| 18:43.04 | stew | Feto: xauth generate :0 |
| 18:43.43 | Feto | stew: should it take more than a couple seconds? |
| 18:43.50 | regeya | besides Zoo- I wouldn't be running OS X as my primary OS. Intel hardware probably == simpler install and user experience than PPC hardware :-> We have a PPC box with a Sonnet Ultra-ATA card installed. Installing Debian on it was a BITCH. I'm hopeful that Debian on Mactel hardware will be far friendlier |
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| 18:43.54 | izzyb | I have a strange problem that isn't debian specific, but I'm hoping someone here can help me anyway. I have a file named ^? that I want to rename so I can find out what it is. |
| 18:44.18 | izzyb | I think it was createded by accident while messing around with control codes in a program |
| 18:44.20 | Feto | bad display name ":0" in command line |
| 18:44.31 | Feto | in "add" command |
| 18:44.32 | Feto | sorry :) |
| 18:44.42 | stew | what command did you type? |
| 18:44.49 | Feto | xauth generate :0 |
| 18:44.58 | Feto | in my home directory, as me |
| 18:45.03 | xand | izzyb: delete it... rm "^?" |
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| 18:45.10 | pickcoder | izzyb: try tab-completion |
| 18:45.16 | rvsjoen | anyone have seen "init: Trying to re-exec init" messages in syslog after upgrading libc6 to 2.5-9+b1 (testing) ? or better yet :-) know what they mean |
| 18:45.16 | Feto | should X be running, or shouldn't it, or it doesn't matter? |
| 18:45.39 | izzyb | yeah, tab completion sees the file, but interprests the ? as a wildcard and two files match it |
| 18:45.49 | izzyb | hmm, /me moves thhe other file so it doesn't match anymore |
| 18:45.50 | Feto | ok i killed X |
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| 18:46.04 | Feto | now it's generating but it takes some time |
| 18:46.07 | Zoo- | oh yes, is there something I can pass during install, which I"m wanting to pass certain options to the kernel, to like, ntfs support? |
| 18:46.11 | izzyb | bingo! that worked :) |
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| 18:46.37 | Zoo- | also, firmware that it probes for during boot as well, |
| 18:46.48 | wols | Zoo-: why do you need ntfs support for isntalling? |
| 18:46.56 | Zoo- | some 8xx0 or something as well, can't rem |
| 18:47.11 | izzyb | xand, I think it was a control ?, not ^? so that wouldn't work |
| 18:47.12 | Feto | stew: should it take more than a few seconds? xauth generate :0 |
| 18:47.20 | Feto | it's still running |
| 18:47.23 | Zoo- | I do not, I just have my vlk as a main system, however, I use acronis disk director suite, because I have to support software and things, in IT |
| 18:47.54 | Zoo- | hey wols, do you know how to go about, mounting partitions, and ntfs file systems.. in fstab and stuff? |
| 18:47.55 | stew | Feto: no, it should be instantaneous |
| 18:47.56 | xand | izzyb: oh |
| 18:47.56 | wols | I think you can hand over kernel parameters, but dunno how. probably the expert install |
| 18:47.59 | Zoo- | to automatically do it? |
| 18:48.00 | stew | Feto: i thought you said it exited with an error |
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| 18:48.11 | Feto | stew: it did, when I had X running |
| 18:48.13 | wols | no, not automatically |
| 18:48.14 | Feto | but then I killed it |
| 18:48.17 | Feto | and reran it |
| 18:48.22 | Feto | it's taking forever now |
| 18:48.38 | Zoo- | also ya see, I know I need to do alot of reading this year, hee. this june 25 I turn 25, golden b-day I gave debian a lucky 25 GB of space on my notebook :-) |
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| 18:49.12 | Feto | Zoo-: i had that on 2003 =) |
| 18:49.13 | Zoo- | and ya see, I work with alot of mixing software on my xp pro vlk, and editing software as well, plus dj part time... to make nice extra cash,.. |
| 18:49.23 | Zoo- | ah :- ) |
| 18:49.43 | Feto | i'm going tu umount my home and doit in the local fs |
| 18:49.47 | stew | Feto: if x is running, you can extract it |
| 18:49.51 | Zoo- | would like to team up with people about installing all the kinds of support. so you know, for like compiling source packages and things.. |
| 18:49.53 | stew | Feto: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 18:49.55 | Feto | what do you mean extract it? |
| 18:50.14 | ingvar | hello? |
| 18:50.15 | stew | i mean xauth extract |
| 18:50.24 | Zoo- | making sure every dependency gets supported. and hopefully I can get that fleow plugin working for banshee, it needs tao-opengl and also that avant window manager looks cool, however its whatever |
| 18:50.35 | ingvar | I have a problem getting Xorg to pickup my old ttyS0 mouse |
| 18:50.45 | Feto | ah lemme check |
| 18:50.46 | Feto | :) |
| 18:50.59 | Zoo- | theres also ways you can comment out the modprobe rigth? so things don't get checked for during boot? |
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| 18:51.21 | stew | Zoo-: what do you mean? prevent a module from loading? |
| 18:51.38 | stew | ingvar: how is the mouse connected? ps2? usb? |
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| 18:51.48 | pickcoder | ttyS0 is serial |
| 18:51.55 | ingvar | tried both /dev/ttyS0 and /dev/input/mice as inputdevice |
| 18:51.58 | ingvar | stew: serial |
| 18:52.07 | ingvar | stew: 9pin rs232 |
| 18:52.11 | pickcoder | ingvar: modprobe sermouse |
| 18:52.40 | stew | Zoo-: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 18:52.50 | norbert_ | hi all... |
| 18:52.52 | norbert_ | question: does anyone know a (command line) tool that will allow me to convert swf (recorded with pyvnc2swf) to avi or mpeg (any input for kdenlive) ? |
| 18:53.08 | stew | Zoo-: i'm not sure what you are asking about banshee, you are trying to compile it? or something for it? |
| 18:53.15 | Zoo- | yep |
| 18:53.16 | Zoo- | sorry back |
| 18:53.21 | furrywolf | I also couldn't get my serial mouse to work... sermouse loaded, cat /dev/ttyS0 showed the raw mouse data, cat /dev/input/mice... nada. ended up specifying it in the xorg.conf directly, after spending an hour arguing with sermouse without getting it to do anything. |
| 18:53.21 | wols | norbert_: mencoder afaik |
| 18:53.37 | stew | Zoo-: apt-get build-dep banshee ; will pull down what you need to build it. 'apt-get -b source banshee' would build it |
| 18:53.41 | Zoo- | nah, it was a plugin I was trying to get working, but i needed tao-opengl and I did everything I could think of for that, and ask alot of people lol |
| 18:53.44 | norbert_ | wols: I'm afraid mencoder does not support swf |
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| 18:53.59 | Zoo- | yeah I already did that before, and even installed it from the debian supported repo's |
| 18:54.13 | Zoo- | ah yeah.. I was looking at something about hat blacklist deal |
| 18:54.17 | Zoo- | that* |
| 18:54.18 | wols | http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/convert-SWF-AVI-format-ftopict396093.html |
| 18:54.36 | stew | i have no idea what tao-opengl is |
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| 18:54.50 | norbert_ | wols: scroll down and read the last comment on that page ;-) |
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| 18:55.02 | Feto | xauth extract failed |
| 18:55.11 | Feto | bad display name |
| 18:55.11 | ingvar | pickcoder: no cigar |
| 18:55.18 | Feto | i'm gonna unmount |
| 18:55.19 | Feto | brb |
| 18:55.20 | stew | Feto: what exact command did you run? |
| 18:55.37 | Zoo- | I am not receiving msg's from dpkg :P |
| 18:55.41 | Feto | xauth extract - $DISPLAY |
| 18:55.48 | ingvar | I can't even get raw mouse output from ttyS0 |
| 18:55.52 | stew | Feto: what does "echo $DISPLAY" return? |
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| 18:56.11 | stew | !tell Zoo- about help |
| 18:56.14 | ingvar | pickcoder: Should the kernel report anything in dmesg when it loads sermouse? |
| 18:56.20 | Zoo- | there we go :P |
| 18:56.22 | Zoo- | workin now :) |
| 18:56.25 | Zoo- | http://www.taoframework.com/ |
| 18:56.29 | stew | Zoo-: you should be able to just /msg dpkg whatever |
| 18:56.29 | ingvar | (it doesn't) |
| 18:56.31 | norbert_ | wols: the man page of mencoder says it support flash and there's format=swf (and flv)... so I'll try to play around with it some more; thx |
| 18:56.33 | Feto | undefined variable |
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| 18:56.46 | Feto | that's because I ran X directly, not using startx |
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| 18:56.56 | Feto | so I set it to :0.0 |
| 18:56.58 | stew | Feto: xauth extract - :0 |
| 18:57.03 | Feto | i did that too |
| 18:57.05 | stew | Feto: no, aparantly you didn't |
| 18:57.10 | Feto | let me check |
| 18:57.20 | stew | Feto: i mean, you didn't set it to :0.0 |
| 18:57.25 | wols | norbert_: get the debian-multimedia.org mencoder |
| 18:57.34 | Feto | bad display name ":0" in extract command |
| 18:57.57 | Zoo- | stew, you should set up a pay pal account , donations :P |
| 18:57.58 | furrywolf | I don't think mencoder's flash support actually works... or maybe it's a very platform-specific thing. |
| 18:58.04 | stew | Zoo-: eh? |
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| 18:58.12 | Cyis | anyone know of any support for the Broadcom Sentry5 Crypto Accelerator? |
| 18:58.23 | Feto | brb |
| 18:58.30 | stew | oh, no i just need to figure out a way to collect all of the beers i've been promised via irc |
| 18:59.07 | bkw__ | steve: it worked with indexes, thanks. |
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| 18:59.55 | Zoo- | ;) |
| 19:00.08 | Zoo- | ah |
| 19:00.23 | Zoo- | I'll mail ya a box of corona :P |
| 19:00.29 | stew | eww |
| 19:00.41 | Zoo- | do'nt like corona eh? Heiny? |
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| 19:00.47 | stew | i don't do lagers in general |
| 19:00.48 | Ronin | Zoo-: he said beer not what you pee out afterwards |
| 19:01.21 | stew | Ronin: i have i2c temperature sensors and relays and a hi temp food grade pump on order |
| 19:01.35 | Ronin | stew: nice, i hate you :) |
| 19:01.35 | Zoo- | Corona isn't a lager though :) |
| 19:01.47 | stew | Zoo-: yes it is |
| 19:01.55 | stew | Zoo-: its certainly not top-fermented |
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| 19:02.07 | Zoo- | you can get a 24 case from Sams Club, for $23 :) |
| 19:02.09 | Feto | no it didn't work either |
| 19:02.14 | Zoo- | heineken, good pricea s well |
| 19:02.16 | Feto | same thing with xauth generate... takes ages |
| 19:02.21 | Scurz | Hi |
| 19:02.22 | Zoo- | but hey, its what you like,... so |
| 19:02.37 | Feto | and if I ran X and did xauth extract, it takes ages as well |
| 19:02.39 | Feto | never finishes |
| 19:02.41 | ekix | hi. libapt-pkg-perl seems to have uninstallable dependency (libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11) on unstable at the moment. is this a known problem? |
| 19:02.43 | flashnet | demasiado ... como decir .. suave la cerveza corona |
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| 19:02.54 | Scurz | I have this message : "/etc/network/options is deprecated", any idea ? |
| 19:03.00 | stew | Feto: afaik, running startx would generate a .Xauthority if you don't already have one |
| 19:03.18 | Feto | that's the first thing i tried, it didn't do it |
| 19:03.20 | Feto | let me check though |
| 19:03.23 | stew | Scurz: yes. if you are setting any options in /etc/network/options, you should move them to /etc/sysctl.conf and remove the options file |
| 19:03.35 | stew | Scurz: if options is all "no" you can just remove it |
| 19:03.41 | Scurz | ok, thanks. |
| 19:03.44 | Ronin | Zoo-: a good review of corona for you :) http://www.baramerica.com/bsreview/lager/014.html |
| 19:04.09 | rahul | poorona |
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| 19:04.22 | CharminTheMoose | why was 3dwm pulled out of debian's repos? |
| 19:04.55 | CharminTheMoose | ahright |
| 19:05.02 | Feto | well i just did it and it 'said' it generated the file, but it's not there |
| 19:05.12 | wols | ekix: why didn't you look at BTS? |
| 19:05.17 | stew | !dbugs 206870 |
| 19:05.20 | dpkg | DONE:#206870:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: 3dwm -- RoQA; unused, dead upstream; Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:18:13 UTC |
| 19:05.23 | rahul | silly camel |
| 19:05.28 | stew | CharminTheMoose: ^^^ |
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| 19:05.55 | ekix | wols, i did, but didn't find anything. perhaps i should look again :) |
| 19:06.01 | Zoo- | oh okay, I didn't think it was a lager :) |
| 19:06.01 | CharminTheMoose | rahul stew, how enlightenin |
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| 19:06.08 | Zoo- | well, its a light 1 if anything :- ) |
| 19:06.29 | stew | CharminTheMoose: i was trying to point you to dpkg's last ouput which told you the reason it was removed |
| 19:06.41 | tacit | to share downloaded packages and updates, I copy /var/cache/apt/archives only? |
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| 19:06.45 | rahul | Zoo-: it hardly deserves to be called a beer |
| 19:07.08 | stew | tacit: or use apt-move ; or look into something like apt-proxy or apt-cacher |
| 19:07.28 | Zoo- | cerveza |
| 19:07.31 | ekix | wols, ok. found it now. thanks for the push :) |
| 19:07.31 | Zoo- | ;) |
| 19:07.31 | wols | but yes aptitude is currently broken in sid |
| 19:07.32 | tacit | stew: lookin |
| 19:07.36 | Redlob | hey guys, aren't there any kernel images for AMD k6 in etch anymore ? |
| 19:07.40 | Zoo- | bein cerveza |
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| 19:07.51 | Redlob | i see only AMD k7... |
| 19:07.55 | wols | Redlob: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:08.21 | ingvarha | The other mouse does not work either :-( |
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| 19:08.56 | Feto | stew: even startx gets that error from xauth " bad display name" |
| 19:08.58 | norbert_ | wols: I got a bit further and it now says the "file format is not recognized/supported" |
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| 19:09.06 | ingvarha | Serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq=4) is a 16550A |
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| 19:09.12 | ingvarha | That sounds quite normal, doesn't it? |
| 19:09.15 | norbert_ | wols: I have 1.0pre7try2-3.3.6 |
| 19:09.38 | norbert_ | any ideas? |
| 19:09.43 | ingvarha | setserial, perhaps? |
| 19:10.16 | Redlob | wols: thanks, there is no AMD K6 kernel anymore. |
| 19:10.52 | spheard | whats the dpkg command for setting up locale? |
| 19:11.13 | stew | spheard: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:11.39 | ingvarha | SportChick: sounds better |
| 19:12.44 | Feto | how do I remove a package and delete its configuration files? |
| 19:13.05 | stew | Feto: aptitude purge packagename |
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| 19:16.00 | mhall | Guys I'm trying to help a friend figure out how to enable PDF writer in gnomeprint but I'm a KDE guy and Google is *not* helping. |
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| 19:16.06 | Zoo- | yeah, aptitude is very nice :- ) |
| 19:16.23 | mhall | I think the idea is you install a fake printer device called the GNOME PDF Writer but I can't tell for sure. |
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| 19:18.43 | Feto | why is there a /usr/bin/X and a startx if i removed xorg? |
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| 19:19.23 | mhall | Feto: run file on it and see what it is |
| 19:19.37 | stew | Feto: becuase /usr/bin/X is not in the xorg package |
| 19:19.38 | mhall | Feto: then check packages.d.o file ownership search |
| 19:19.52 | stew | Feto: dpkg -S /usr/bin/X |
| 19:20.00 | mhall | Feto: see who *really* owns it. like stew says, i recall it not being owned by X |
| 19:20.06 | Feto | ok ok |
| 19:20.07 | Feto | thanks :) |
| 19:20.08 | mhall | stew: sweet i didn't know about -S, that's r0x0r |
| 19:20.19 | stew | mhall: dlocate is much faster if you have it installed |
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| 19:20.30 | mhall | stew: mmm i'm *so* installing that |
| 19:20.35 | Zoo- | alot of commands you can do :- ) |
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| 19:20.57 | mhall | Zoo-: no #$%^in kidding |
| 19:21.01 | wykis | Hello, running Debian Unstable, when I try to open a "512M Removable Volume" from Xfce, I get tihs error: http://rafb.net/p/ICxtt736.html |
| 19:21.11 | Zoo- | hee ;- ) |
| 19:21.11 | dererk[work] | could you help me finding a regexp that captures this: [2001:503:231d::2:30] ? |
| 19:21.25 | mhall | dererk[work]: ok couple things |
| 19:21.36 | dererk[work] | [:alnum:] doesn't catch it :( |
| 19:21.38 | mhall | dererk[work]: with [] or without, valid ipv6 or not |
| 19:21.44 | dererk[work] | oh |
| 19:21.49 | mhall | dererk[work]: and your regex syntax of choice |
| 19:21.54 | dererk[work] | checking |
| 19:22.18 | Feto | sheesh |
| 19:22.22 | Feto | so many different packages... |
| 19:22.28 | mhall | Feto: ya rly |
| 19:22.55 | dererk[work] | mhall, Uhm... I don't fully understand you |
| 19:23.14 | mhall | dererk[work]: alright, so you said you wanna match [2001:503:231d::2:30] |
| 19:23.21 | dererk[work] | mhall, yes |
| 19:23.26 | mhall | dererk[work]: so i asked 1) with the [] included on the ends or not |
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| 19:23.41 | mhall | dererk[work]: 2) whether you want the regex to make sure it's a valid ipv6 or not |
| 19:23.43 | stew | ooh ooh i know. \[2001:503:231d::2:30\] is a regex that would match it |
| 19:23.49 | dererk[work] | mhall, exactly as it is there |
| 19:23.52 | mhall | dererk[work]: and 3) what language you want to match in |
| 19:23.58 | mhall | dererk[work]: ah then pull a stew |
| 19:24.03 | dererk[work] | stew, :) |
| 19:24.06 | mhall | stew: lol you pwnt me on that one :-D |
| 19:24.19 | dererk[work] | I meant any ipv6 between the [] |
| 19:24.26 | dererk[work] | but you knew that :) |
| 19:24.30 | mhall | dererk[work]: that *not* exactly as it is there |
| 19:24.41 | mhall | dererk[work]: learn to think more like the regex engine... |
| 19:24.50 | mhall | !abuse dererk[work] |
| 19:24.50 | dpkg | dererk[work]: Shut your festering gob, you tit! |
| 19:24.56 | dererk[work] | O_o? |
| 19:25.01 | mhall | dererk[work]: ;-) |
| 19:25.34 | regeya | wow that's some abuse |
| 19:25.40 | regeya | I came here for an argument |
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| 19:26.25 | stew | dererk[work]: so you are after a regex to match an ipv6 address? |
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| 19:27.05 | stew | mhall: please don't use the bot to attack random people randomly |
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| 19:28.02 | dererk[work] | stew, yes, well, the ip and port |
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| 19:28.29 | stew | dererk[work]: with what tool? grep? perl? |
| 19:28.38 | dererk[work] | but I wanted it to be a bit nice than matching it with a huge concatetion |
| 19:28.46 | dererk[work] | stew, grep |
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| 19:30.11 | stew | dererk[work]: i'm afraid with grep is probably going to be a huge concatenation |
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| 19:30.33 | dererk[work] | stew, heh, I though so |
| 19:31.00 | dererk[work] | stew, don't worry, I'll search a bit more arround, thanks |
| 19:31.52 | stew | there is some perl enabled grep |
| 19:32.04 | stew | !info pcregrep |
| 19:32.08 | dpkg | pcregrep: (grep utility that uses perl 5 compatible regexes.), section utils, is optional. Version: 6.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 19:32.15 | mhall | stew: egrep won't cut it? |
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| 19:32.42 | dererk[work] | stew, gonna check it, thanks a lot |
| 19:32.43 | stew | mhall: grep will cut it, it just won't be pretty |
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| 19:32.53 | ingvarha | stew: a modern normal grep can parse perl regexps, see the manpage |
| 19:33.01 | stew | ingvarha: not the one in debian |
| 19:33.01 | mhall | stew: matching ipv6 is pretty simple, matching valid ipv6 is pretty scary... |
| 19:33.12 | stew | ingvarha: try "grep -P x" |
| 19:33.26 | ingvarha | wow |
| 19:33.31 | ingvarha | how very 199x |
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| 19:34.42 | mhall | dererk[work]: btw sorry on the bot abuse, was trying to be tongue in cheek |
| 19:34.49 | mhall | dererk[work]: didn't work right |
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| 19:38.51 | wykis | Hello, running Debian Unstable, when I try to open a "512M Removable Volume" from Xfce, I get tihs error: http://rafb.net/p/ICxtt736.html |
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| 19:42.10 | lymeca | Devs in #gnash say that Debian has 0.8.0 in the repos as of yesterday |
| 19:42.21 | lymeca | I run unstable compiled for x86_64 and I can't see it though |
| 19:43.29 | colby | packages.debian.org/gnash says 0.7.2 |
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| 19:44.36 | stew | lymeca: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnash.html doesn't show it as being uploaded yet |
| 19:44.50 | Kaepora | can someone please send me their /etc/init.d/mysql? i seem to have deleted that file by mistake |
| 19:44.52 | stew | and its not in http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 19:45.32 | Kaepora | can someone please send me a working /etc/init.d/mysql? |
| 19:45.49 | Matt4781581_ | Kaepora: How do i send files on irc? |
| 19:46.12 | Matt4781581_ | dcc command? |
| 19:46.23 | Kaepora | Matt4781581_: http://pastebin.ca |
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| 19:50.50 | grendal_prime | error getting interface flags? |
| 19:50.57 | grendal_prime | no such device |
| 19:51.01 | grendal_prime | this is for eth0 |
| 19:51.15 | grendal_prime | its like it does not see the card...this is on a vmware machine. |
| 19:51.51 | grendal_prime | it was a templated install, so it didnt run the installer. |
| 19:52.12 | grendal_prime | is there some way of telling it to go and look for the network hardware again? |
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| 19:52.52 | wykis | for some reason (in Xfce), when I try to open a removable drive, it gives "Unable to mount "1G Removable Volume": You are not privileged to mount the volume "1G Removable Volume"". Same problem _even_ when running under root. Any ideas? |
| 19:53.13 | seans | could anyone tell me how you find out what the major/minor node numbers are of a character device |
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| 19:53.32 | wols | grendal_prime: no. but there is lspci |
| 19:53.38 | stew | seans: ls -l /path/to/dev shows them |
| 19:53.50 | wols | stew: ls -al |
| 19:54.00 | Matt4781581 | http://pastebin.ca/564910 |
| 19:54.02 | Matt4781581 | Kaepora: http://pastebin.ca/564910 |
| 19:54.04 | seans | stew: your right, it was right infront of my face, thank you |
| 19:54.04 | stew | wols: why would i need -a ? |
| 19:54.08 | seans | you're |
| 19:54.14 | wols | habit |
| 19:54.17 | xand | wols: -a does nothing if you specify the file |
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| 19:54.50 | grendal_prime | lists Advanced micro devices ethernet controller |
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| 19:58.15 | S4nD3r | Hi there |
| 19:58.43 | S4nD3r | Which application may I use to put in a same file, many jpg pictures and then save as PDF??? |
| 19:59.10 | rahul | pdf?????? |
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| 19:59.15 | rahul | lawl!!!!!!! |
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| 19:59.53 | jepeltw | hello all, I just installed debian 4.0r0/ppc and when I choose Linux from the yaboot menu, it dumps me back to the volume selection screen |
| 20:00.01 | grendal_prime | S4nD3r: gimp will do that |
| 20:00.43 | S4nD3r | ummm.... |
| 20:00.57 | S4nD3r | Is possible to open many jpg files, and save them in a same file? |
| 20:01.05 | S4nD3r | but I need to keep the image sizes |
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| 20:01.09 | rahul | what the hell is the point of saving images to a PDF? |
| 20:01.10 | tarzeau | S4nD3r: not really |
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| 20:01.27 | tarzeau | rahul: none, that's braindead |
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| 20:01.40 | grendal_prime | thats pretty wonky...try using openoffice impress and output to pdf |
| 20:01.48 | rahul | heh |
| 20:01.59 | Matt4781581 | could you use ghostscript? |
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| 20:02.22 | rahul | ok, I'm not getting involved int his retardation |
| 20:02.22 | azeem | combining several images in a multi-page document might be an incentive to go PDF |
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| 20:02.36 | rahul | azeem: why pdf? |
| 20:02.44 | azeem | because it works? |
| 20:02.47 | rahul | and why are images a document? |
| 20:02.49 | rahul | badly. |
| 20:03.06 | azeem | rahul: no need to be condescending, btw, just don't comment on things where you don't want to help |
| 20:03.13 | rahul | uh... |
| 20:03.24 | rahul | there are easy ways to do this, and there are difficult ways |
| 20:03.42 | rahul | if the requirement is for it to be difficult, _then_ I don't feel like helping |
| 20:03.53 | azeem | eh, that's fine |
| 20:04.04 | azeem | it's the "that's retarded/braindead" part which is off-topic |
| 20:04.13 | rahul | sigh |
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| 20:04.19 | S4nD3r | ? |
| 20:04.29 | S4nD3r | Sure, I just was looking for a help |
| 20:04.43 | S4nD3r | But, if its not in topic, ok then |
| 20:04.50 | azeem | S4nD3r: your question is on otpic |
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| 20:04.59 | S4nD3r | Its better to come back to windows XP |
| 20:05.04 | azeem | saying your question is "retarded" is not on topic |
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| 20:05.23 | S4nD3r | Im looking for ways to keep using linux, but there are some tasks that I dont know how to do here |
| 20:05.29 | S4nD3r | Thats why Im here |
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| 20:05.48 | Ronin | everyone go to thier corners and count to 10 then try again |
| 20:05.56 | stew | S4nD3r: can you be more specific about what you are trying to do? |
| 20:06.04 | azeem | 21:57 < S4nD3r> Which application may I use to put in a same file, many jpg pictures and then save as PDF??? |
| 20:06.07 | twobitsprite | S4nD3r: what are you trying to do? (I missed the question) |
| 20:06.15 | stew | oh, i missed the pdf part |
| 20:06.16 | azeem | S4nD3r: "try using openoffice impress and output to pdf" |
| 20:06.39 | azeem | many people need to e.g. scan in documents and submit them as pdf as part of job applications |
| 20:06.48 | S4nD3r | Im teacher |
| 20:07.10 | S4nD3r | and I scanned some parts of differents books to show in a classroom |
| 20:07.25 | stew | S4nD3r: is the openoffice solution a workable one, or did you need somethign scriptable? |
| 20:07.27 | azeem | S4nD3r: do you care about the content, or the layout? |
| 20:07.40 | S4nD3r | Then, Id like to put all scanned files in the same one. |
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| 20:08.06 | S4nD3r | Not important the layout, just the content |
| 20:08.11 | cahoot | S4nD3r, look at montage (in imagemagick) |
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| 20:09.09 | vin` | S4nD3r: also scribus maybe |
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| 20:10.03 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:10.35 | stew | xerophyte: show us the output of 'apt-cache policy smbclient nagios-plugins libc6' use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:11.25 | xerophyte | stew, http://www.pastebin.ca/564956 |
| 20:12.01 | stew | xerophyte: you are trying to mix sarge and etch, which is unsupported, you should upgrade fully to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 20:12.20 | stew | xerophyte: (or replace etch/stable with 'sarge' in sources.list and stick with sarge) |
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| 20:12.50 | S4nD3r | I will see imagemagick and scribus |
| 20:12.56 | S4nD3r | Thank you so much |
| 20:13.06 | stew | xerophyte: it looks like you are actually just running sarge, but at least some of your sources are pointing at etch (namely the security.debian.org one) |
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| 20:13.56 | xerophyte | stew got it thanks |
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| 20:24.01 | saimazoon | hello |
| 20:24.11 | saimazoon | where can I look up the location of the linux-source package? |
| 20:24.17 | saimazoon | i mean, which CD is it contained within |
| 20:24.23 | stew | saimazoon: /msg dpkg which cd |
| 20:24.33 | saimazoon | thanks |
| 20:24.46 | saimazoon | i replace "which" by packagane name, is that correect? |
| 20:25.09 | azeem | saimazoon: no |
| 20:25.13 | azeem | !which cd |
| 20:25.13 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
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| 20:25.39 | unlink | how do i filter at the NAT level which host to forward to based on the FQDN that was asked for? |
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| 20:26.43 | daren | Hi |
| 20:27.12 | daren | Im trying to send a message via saslauthd (and postfix), but every time I want to log in I get the error "cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory" |
| 20:27.12 | stew | unlink: you can't, nat is layer 3, what is contained inthe request is layer 4 |
| 20:27.15 | daren | What can I do ? |
| 20:27.33 | daren | already google'd, but cant get it running |
| 20:27.47 | stew | unlink: if you are wanting to do that for apache, for instance, you'll have to do it with some kind of inward proxy |
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| 20:30.00 | stew | idiot: do not do that |
| 20:30.13 | idiot | sorry, didnt mean |
| 20:30.25 | stew | idiot: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 20:36.17 | qrck | is there something i might reconsider before moving /var to another partition ? |
| 20:36.23 | shiki | hello, ive got a 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) and all volume raised, got unstable linux-image, tried to play sound with root, did alsaconf and it says that it is ready to use, but i still get no sound, can anyone help me? |
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| 20:37.05 | Supaplex | qrck: make sure all services that use it are not running |
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| 20:37.20 | TbbW | shiki: firefox sometimes hog the soundcard for me thru oss ( then alsa cant use it ) |
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| 20:37.44 | Supaplex | shiki: lsof is your friend. :) |
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| 20:38.11 | shiki | Supaplex: ?? what you mean? |
| 20:38.16 | Supaplex | !lsof |
| 20:38.17 | dpkg | from memory, lsof is LiSt Open Files. apt-get install lsof |
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| 20:39.18 | Supaplex | well, strace can show what's denied to |
| 20:39.19 | shiki | hmm i already got losf and how is it going to help me? Supaplex?? |
| 20:39.24 | joga | hmm, is the kernel config for the etch installer downloadable somewhere, since right now I only have an initrd and a kernel image |
| 20:39.28 | TbbW | !coffee |
| 20:39.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, coffee is the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes |
| 20:39.32 | shiki | lsof* |
| 20:39.37 | Supaplex | shiki: lsof -n | pager |
| 20:39.40 | joga | or should I take an iso and tear it apart? |
| 20:39.53 | Supaplex | shiki: then search for things like /dev/dsp or other devices alsa would use. |
| 20:40.11 | Supaplex | read the man page for all the fun details. |
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| 20:41.29 | TbbW | lol |
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| 20:41.56 | x3n0 | my screen seems corrupted... it has random distrotions ( look a bit like scratches ) running horizontally across the screen. |
| 20:42.10 | x3n0 | has anyone come across this before? |
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| 20:42.32 | joga | x3n0 in X? |
| 20:42.53 | x3n0 | X config is fine |
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| 20:42.59 | TbbW | x3n0: yes... with a old crappy cirrius logic card i threw in the garbage ( i got it in textmode after a weeks uptime more then once ) |
| 20:43.08 | x3n0 | but i think thats where the problem lies |
| 20:43.32 | x3n0 | have same prob in text mode |
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| 20:43.43 | TbbW | x3n0: try a diffrent gfx card :P |
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| 20:43.49 | phet | hi |
| 20:44.03 | x3n0 | would if it wasn't a laptop |
| 20:44.05 | x3n0 | :s |
| 20:44.07 | TbbW | haha |
| 20:44.20 | TbbW | hmm... not sure how u can fix it :/ |
| 20:44.24 | phet | is there a beryl repository for lenny or should I use the etch one? |
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| 20:45.08 | TbbW | coz i got them random lines in textmode... but u might want to try that framebuffer textmod ( anyone know how to run the console thru that... i dont ) |
| 20:45.17 | x3n0 | could it be the LCD on its way out? or over-heating issues? |
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| 20:45.47 | TbbW | nah i dont think it's the lcd... then u wuld get them lines in bios and other places aswell |
| 20:45.59 | shiki | Supaplex: lol, any other subjection?, if i aint got no sound... Oo for what i am gonna look what it is using it? |
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| 20:46.09 | Binary | Hey All |
| 20:46.10 | x3n0 | true |
| 20:46.18 | ScAbS | Is anyone familiar with Debian Live Cd's and the xorg.conf? |
| 20:46.28 | ScAbS | i'm trying to prevent the xorg.conf from being overwritten at bootup |
| 20:46.44 | ScAbS | and i just can't find any documentation regarding how to accomplish this |
| 20:46.46 | pickcoder | x3n0: do the lines move? |
| 20:46.52 | ScAbS | all the changes we make to xorg.conf is overwritten at bootup |
| 20:47.01 | x3n0 | yeah kind of |
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| 20:47.19 | pickcoder | could be the horiz refresh rate |
| 20:47.41 | x3n0 | its annoying coz it doesn't show in a screen dump |
| 20:48.13 | x3n0 | it was fine last week |
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| 20:48.44 | pickcoder | x3n0: does it show if you boot into a console login? |
| 20:48.58 | x3n0 | sometimes |
| 20:49.26 | Supaplex | shiki: lsof shows files/devices already in use. if you had a 'device in use' message, you could atleast see what devices they are. I think strace is going to be a better tool though. Try running strace -o /tmp/alsaconftrace.log -Ff alsaconf . after it's done running, view /tmp/alsaconftrace.log and look for the same error, then start looking earlier to see what file/device is in use. afterwards lsof can be used to cross reference what pr |
| 20:49.37 | azeem | ScAbS: I think there is a mailing list or so, maybe ask there |
| 20:49.55 | pickcoder | one thing to consider with onboard vids is that the video memory may be partially or completely shared with the RAM |
| 20:49.57 | azeem | otherwise, maybe panthera can comment |
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| 20:50.45 | x3n0 | its got 128 on gfx |
| 20:50.52 | pickcoder | 128MB dedicated? |
| 20:50.57 | x3n0 | yeh |
| 20:51.13 | x3n0 | 2Gb system |
| 20:51.48 | Eulex | x3n0, tried using a vesa framebuffer for the console? |
| 20:52.16 | x3n0 | not sure how to |
| 20:52.24 | x3n0 | bit of a n00b |
| 20:52.31 | Eulex | at least it would be interesting as a comparison. if you get same or similar artifacts, it's very likely a gfx card issue. |
| 20:52.43 | shiki | Supaplex: only error i got is ""amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device"" |
| 20:52.44 | panthera | ScAbS: what's your problem? |
| 20:53.10 | x3n0 | k thnx! |
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| 20:53.19 | Supaplex | !alsa |
| 20:53.19 | dpkg | hmm... alsa is http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
| 20:53.22 | Eulex | pass vga=foo to the kernel, where foo is the number of the vesa mode you want to use |
| 20:53.28 | Eulex | ... |
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| 20:54.49 | illsci | hey whats up |
| 20:55.18 | Eulex | the ceiling |
| 20:55.32 | illsci | have any of you ever used virtual interfaces and had the non virtual interface respond to requests addressed to the ip of the virtual interface |
| 20:55.38 | pickcoder | the temp in here is |
| 20:56.03 | simmerz | is there any good open source project management software as an alternative to MS Project? |
| 20:56.11 | simmerz | not looking for server based, but end user apps |
| 20:56.13 | illsci | open project |
| 20:56.30 | illsci | er no... i mean dot project |
| 20:56.42 | illsci | that's a web app though |
| 20:56.45 | pickcoder | illsci: nope.. not that I remember |
| 20:56.52 | simmerz | as I said, not server based |
| 20:57.02 | illsci | i guess you're sol buddy |
| 20:57.35 | simmerz | i need an end user app that is cross platform and will run on windows - trying to show my dad the benefits of open source in a bid to eventually get him to switch |
| 20:58.57 | azeem | simmerz: there's planner, I think |
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| 20:59.09 | azeem | not sure how good that is, I never used it (nor did I use MS project) |
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| 21:00.02 | pickcoder | simmerz: http://directory.fsf.org/productivity/project/ |
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| 21:00.56 | dan2 | is lenny even a toy story character |
| 21:01.04 | azeem | yes |
| 21:01.24 | karsten | dan2: binoculars. |
| 21:01.25 | dan2 | ahh |
| 21:01.28 | simmerz | pickcoder: thanks |
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| 21:01.51 | azeem | simmerz: I suggest you try planner first, it has some relatively good reputation and should be easy to use |
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| 21:02.47 | tls_81 | greetings |
| 21:02.57 | nofxxx | is something going on with security.debian.org ? tryed to install debian all afternoon... get amazing 3 hours to download 10mb from there |
| 21:03.13 | simmerz | azeem, I'll look at it now. cheers |
| 21:03.39 | azeem | nofxxx: there was an openoffice security update - probably millions of people are downloading this huge chunk now |
| 21:03.47 | pickcoder | planner only runs in Gnome |
| 21:04.02 | pickcoder | and ToutDoux has not been ported to win32 |
| 21:04.05 | simmerz | azeem: just noticed that |
| 21:04.24 | simmerz | pickcoder: I've looked at the link and I've opened a few up including ToutDoux to have a look at now |
| 21:04.27 | pickcoder | you may be able to compile it under Cygwin though |
| 21:04.28 | azeem | eh, cross platform |
| 21:04.32 | azeem | pickcoder: euh |
| 21:04.39 | azeem | simmerz: look at something web-based then :P |
| 21:04.47 | nofxxx | azeem: yea.. I gave it up when I saw that 27mb of open-offce... xD it should be cool by tomorrow then... |
| 21:04.59 | azeem | hopefully better at least |
| 21:05.18 | azeem | nofxxx: also note that security.debian.org is DNS round-robin - restarting might connect you with a faster "mirror" |
| 21:05.26 | azeem | though probably won't be that much |
| 21:05.54 | tls_81 | what do you guys do as hobbies apart from Debian? |
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| 21:06.01 | simmerz | azeem: i can't go for web based. My dad needs it on his machine - running windows, and doesn't want something he can't use when he's on the train |
| 21:06.19 | azeem | simmerz: well, sorry then |
| 21:06.21 | simmerz | and i'm not installing a web server onto his machine just for that purpose |
| 21:06.26 | nofxxx | azeem: I ll have to wait for tomorrow anyways, I need to apt-get the drivers for my intel wifi... heh... |
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| 21:06.38 | simmerz | azeem: it's ok. ideally i'd go web based too, but its not relevant here |
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| 21:08.43 | tls_81 | so where is everyone from? London here... |
| 21:08.51 | futnuh | anyone else encountering incredible slowdown on security.debian.org? I've been trying to install etch all morning ... everything was going nicely but pulling the security packages is estimated at 1day ... |
| 21:09.17 | azeem | futnuh: 23:02 < azeem> nofxxx: there was an openoffice security update - probably millions of people are downloading this huge chunk now |
| 21:09.19 | tls_81 | futnuh: openoffice update today that's why it's slow.... |
| 21:09.36 | futnuh | i've got all the windows admins laughing at me :-( |
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| 21:09.42 | tls_81 | azeem ur copy anbd paste quicker than my typing... ;-) |
| 21:09.58 | stew | ftp.de.debian.org mirrors security |
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| 21:10.06 | stew | but unofficially |
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| 21:10.40 | futnuh | unfortunately i'm stuck using the installer |
| 21:11.17 | futnuh | i could postpone security updates with the grub installer, but the lilo one won't let me skip security updates. |
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| 21:12.49 | nofxxx | sorry for the OT.. but what is the name of a nice toolbar mac alike, i saw in knotix I guess |
| 21:13.05 | futnuh | it would be nice if security.debian.org provided some QoS for basic installs ... |
| 21:13.19 | azeem | futnuh: just install from the full CD |
| 21:13.19 | azeem | 1 |
| 21:13.28 | azeem | and/or wait till 4.0r1 |
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| 21:13.52 | nofxxx | azeem: hum... can I update the isntall I did without net tomorrow, right? |
| 21:14.06 | azeem | nofxxx: I guess, yes |
| 21:15.14 | Azar | futnuh: you can add an identical source line and only change the c.c. (say, be , or de) toggle the #comment from one another see which one goes faster |
| 21:15.41 | pickcoder | simmerz: http://www.jfbrazeau.fr/main/homepage/activitymgr/download.do |
| 21:16.18 | futnuh | thanks. |
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| 21:16.34 | S4nD3r | so, using openoffice draw is fantastic |
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| 21:16.41 | S4nD3r | This solved my problem. |
| 21:16.47 | nofxxx | azeem: ahh cool.. tnx for the help man |
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| 21:18.56 | simmerz | pickcoder: does it have gantt charts too? |
| 21:19.25 | pickcoder | no clue |
| 21:19.56 | sneex | anyone here run qmail with 500+ domains? |
| 21:20.06 | simmerz | he's decided to go for a cheaper paid alternative for windows at the moment. by the time kde 4 comes out, kplato will be a lot nicer too and koffice is likely to be ported to win32 as well |
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| 21:21.34 | markit | hi, anyone using qemu and -smb option? seems that debian smb packages make it not work... or was an old problem? (can't make it work either...) |
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| 21:22.26 | idiot | please, whats the name of bsetroot package? |
| 21:22.44 | idiot | cant find anywhere |
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| 21:24.03 | karsten | !tell idiot about search |
| 21:24.14 | karsten | idiot: WTF is bsetroot? |
| 21:24.36 | karsten | idiot: fluxbox |
| 21:24.41 | idiot | yes |
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| 21:24.48 | idiot | need this to run fluxbox |
| 21:25.01 | karsten | idiot: It's in the fluxbox package. |
| 21:25.16 | karsten | idiot: aptitude install auto-apt; auto-apt update; auto-apt search bsetroot |
| 21:25.50 | idiot | let me try.. i was using apt-gt |
| 21:25.53 | idiot | apt-get |
| 21:26.02 | karsten | !tell idiot about aptitude. |
| 21:26.12 | karsten | idiot: I'd strongly recommend aptitude instead. |
| 21:26.37 | pickcoder | fbsetroot is in fluxbox |
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| 21:26.40 | pickcoder | bsetroot is in blackbox |
| 21:26.44 | pickcoder | per apt-file |
| 21:27.23 | karsten | pickcoder: Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. |
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| 21:27.32 | karsten | pickcoder: Teach a man to fish, and he'll never want to work again. |
| 21:27.59 | idiot | Removing dhcdbd ... |
| 21:28.00 | idiot | Stopping DHCP D-Bus daemon: dhcdbd. |
| 21:28.00 | idiot | Removing gaim-data ... |
| 21:28.00 | idiot | Removing iproute ... |
| 21:28.00 | idiot | ?!?! |
| 21:28.00 | idiot | aptitude is removing a lot of stuffs |
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| 21:28.03 | Ventrix | hello. at the xorg.log i get the directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/****" does not exist. x presents a black screen... |
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| 21:28.36 | karsten | !set up x |
| 21:28.37 | dpkg | from memory, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 21:28.49 | karsten | Ventrix: Check your X packages, specifically fonts. |
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| 21:30.24 | pickcoder | Ventrix: dpkg --list xfonts-base |
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| 21:31.46 | valdyn | Ventrix: that 'error' is probably irrelevant. X would complain about not finding the fixed font if there was a serious issue |
| 21:33.18 | Ventrix | pickcoder it lists the xfonts-base v 1.0.0-4 |
| 21:33.18 | pickcoder | ok |
| 21:33.18 | Ventrix | i also did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:33.18 | Ventrix | but nothing |
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| 21:33.20 | valdyn | Ventrix: fonts are now in /usr/lib/X11/fonts anyhow |
| 21:33.21 | MrTelephone | how do you change the auto loaded module parameters? |
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| 21:33.33 | valdyn | MrTelephone: the what? |
| 21:33.41 | MrTelephone | Im trying to change the parameter for the netework driver but I'm not sure what config file loads the modules |
| 21:33.58 | MrTelephone | when the computer boots up modules are loaded before /etc/modules is even looked at.. |
| 21:34.09 | stew | MrTelephone: you can set options in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 21:34.12 | Ventrix | valdyn no they are not there |
| 21:34.13 | valdyn | MrTelephone: echo "options <modulename> option1 options2" > /etc/modprobe.d/random_filename |
| 21:34.26 | MrTelephone | ok |
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| 21:34.34 | valdyn | Ventrix: uh? |
| 21:34.45 | valdyn | Ventrix: fonts ARE there. since etch. |
| 21:34.50 | MrTelephone | I have a laggy ssh connection and the machine is on the localnetwork.. any ideas? |
| 21:35.09 | MrTelephone | I think it might be a network card trying to operate in gigabit mode instead of 100 |
| 21:35.20 | Ventrix | valdyn nothing to seem like font (file or folder) there |
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| 21:35.38 | valdyn | Ventrix: what is there? |
| 21:36.17 | pickcoder | Ventrix: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:36.34 | Ventrix | i have lenny |
| 21:37.14 | Ventrix | at the /usr/lib/X11 there is only config rstart twn x11perfcomp xedit and xsm |
| 21:37.36 | valdyn | Ventrix: try "apt-get install xorg" |
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| 21:38.49 | Ventrix | it is already installed |
| 21:39.49 | Ventrix | remove it and install it again? |
| 21:39.51 | Azar | fonts on testing.. |
| 21:40.02 | valdyn | Ventrix: no that would be pointless |
| 21:40.03 | Azar | are there fonts on xorg on testing? |
| 21:40.28 | pramz | isn't security.debian.org supposed to be dns aliased to multiple official mirrors ? |
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| 21:40.36 | Azar | maybe there aren't... |
| 21:40.44 | azeem | pramz: yes |
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| 21:41.02 | valdyn | Azar: in /usr/lib/X11 is a fonts symlink in etch and a real directory in sid, has to be one of both in lenny |
| 21:41.25 | pramz | azeem, hmm, doing host security.debian.org shows only 2 :( and both are on the same subnet . |
| 21:41.27 | Azar | valdyn: oh I thought one has to install them |
| 21:41.38 | valdyn | whatever though, nothing hints at this being the reason for Ventrix' black screen |
| 21:41.39 | pramz | which is probably why updating is super slow atm :( |
| 21:41.44 | Azar | pramz: use a country on that source |
| 21:42.06 | Azar | uh |
| 21:42.28 | Azar | security today seems way slow... all the world updates |
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| 21:43.49 | Ventrix | a have already installed the nvidia drivers |
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| 21:44.26 | Azar | yeah it works, but is very slow |
| 21:44.29 | Ventrix | entry deleted from font path |
| 21:44.38 | Ventrix | for all the fonts |
| 21:44.42 | pramz | yea |
| 21:45.13 | Azar | well is not debian mirrors' fault: the entire world is using them at same time |
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| 21:45.29 | Ventrix | ok so, how can i install the fonts again? |
| 21:45.30 | Azar | the openoffice plugs bah |
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| 21:45.56 | pramz | Azar, oh i'm not complaining. I was always under the impression that security.debian.org would redirect to a mirror |
| 21:46.09 | Azar | Ventrix: dunno if the fonts come separate or with(in) xorg... maybe try remove xorg, and install it back? |
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| 21:47.14 | Azar | yeah, I past that 0%, at 40% , three minutes since I started update |
| 21:47.30 | Ventrix | i will install the xorg again |
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| 21:47.43 | Azar | and only 1 package updated... heehe |
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| 21:48.00 | Ventrix | ok it is downloading the fonts again |
| 21:48.12 | pramz | Ventrix, what fonts ? |
| 21:48.24 | spheard | whats the command for setting the locale |
| 21:48.25 | Ventrix | Type1 |
| 21:48.50 | pickcoder | spheard: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:49.12 | pramz | ahh |
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| 21:49.26 | pickcoder | spheard: then verify /etc/environment is set correctly |
| 21:49.49 | Ventrix | still black screen:( |
| 21:49.59 | spheard | pickcoder: thx |
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| 21:50.32 | Azar | Ventrix: you could write a bug report, that why is testing for, test, and report bugs |
| 21:51.22 | Ventrix | it all happend when I "aptitude upgrate" |
| 21:51.43 | Azar | success! I got gimp , openoffice and kernel-source upgraded!!!! |
| 21:51.44 | spheard | is it apt-get install keyring? |
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| 21:52.21 | Azar | wtf, openoffice + gimp are HUGE! 99MB ?? wtf |
| 21:52.35 | spheard | Azar thats huge? |
| 21:52.42 | pickcoder | spheard: /topic |
| 21:52.54 | Azar | spheard: yeah... I don't like downloads larger than 20MB |
| 21:52.58 | Ventrix | I thought testing was more "stable" than unstable |
| 21:53.01 | joga | try installing microsoft office |
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| 21:53.15 | Azar | hehe... is masochistically huge |
| 21:53.22 | pickcoder | Ventrix: testing _is_ more stable than unstable, but it's not 100% tested |
| 21:53.35 | spheard | Azar, I think it comes on a dvd now |
| 21:53.44 | pickcoder | if you can reproduce an upgrade bug, then you should file a bug report on it |
| 21:53.56 | Azar | what dvd spheard ? |
| 21:54.10 | Azar | now I am stucked with a one hour install |
| 21:54.12 | spheard | Azar: ms office |
| 21:54.20 | Azar | spheard: I don't need ms office |
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| 21:54.37 | Azar | I am security updating my open office |
| 21:54.49 | spheard | Azar: no, I mean, ms office comes on a dvd and your complaining about 100mb |
| 21:54.55 | morten_ | How do you resolve dependencies automatically when installing a .deb? |
| 21:54.55 | spheard | ;-) |
| 21:55.07 | Azar | spheard: that dvd is of no use for me |
| 21:55.18 | spheard | morten_ it just works(tm) |
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| 21:55.40 | Azar | I only use the Debian installer CD when it comes to a new release... not applications |
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| 21:56.18 | Ventrix | ok it reduced the font errors |
| 21:56.19 | morten_ | spheard, So if there ARE any dependencies errors, it's because it can't find the dependencies in say the apt cache? |
| 21:56.36 | Ventrix | now only the cyrillic and the x-ttcidfont does not exists |
| 21:56.41 | Azar | I should have waited for a better day.... to upgrade.... damn, but what if the mirrors go dry and I gonna be on a "wait list" ? |
| 21:57.05 | spheard | morten_: indeed, are you having issues? |
| 21:58.07 | spheard | !key |
| 21:58.07 | dpkg | from memory, key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
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| 21:58.18 | morten_ | spheard, Yes. That's why I'm asking. ;) Guess I'll have to figure out those dependencies then. |
| 21:58.30 | spheard | morten_:apt-get update? |
| 21:58.39 | spheard | morten_:whats the error? |
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| 21:59.33 | spheard | !locales |
| 21:59.34 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 21:59.38 | tarzan__ | hi... i'm trying to install mediawiki on debian etch on a sparc machine, but there are some dependency problems with some php packages depending on on other ..-etch4 and ...-etch3 php packages... is something broken? |
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| 22:00.06 | morten_ | spheard, Well, since you ask it's http://pastie.caboo.se/70236 |
| 22:00.26 | stew | tarzan__: do you have an etch mirror for security.debian.org in sources.list? have you recenly run apt-get update or aptitude update? |
| 22:00.27 | d00gster | guys on boot this section is taking lots of time comparing to other "Starting NFS Common utilities statd" why is that? |
| 22:00.46 | pickcoder | morten_: dpkg will not download files from the repos.. only apt or aptitude will do that |
| 22:01.25 | pickcoder | morten_: download the debs and put them all in the same dir or use aptitude to install the dependencies |
| 22:01.25 | morten_ | pickcoder, I see, so.. how can I install a .deb and have Debian automatically install dependencies? |
| 22:01.59 | pickcoder | I honestly don't think you can, but I could be wrong |
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| 22:03.08 | morten_ | pickcoder, Hm. Kind of weak, but it's pretty easy to install them manually anyway I guess, now that dpkg was so kind to list them all. :) |
| 22:03.15 | dogmeat | for ssh-keygen, should the public key be stored in .ssh/authorized_keys or .ssh/authorized_keys2? |
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| 22:03.40 | d00gster | is anyone willing to help? |
| 22:03.41 | h3sp4wn | morten_: I think wajig can |
| 22:03.51 | h3sp4wn | morten_: (or it could be gdebi) |
| 22:05.09 | pickcoder | hm.. it may |
| 22:05.15 | pickcoder | never tried it |
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| 22:05.28 | tarzan__ | stew, security depo is in sources.list and system is up to date.. when i try apt-get install php5 it tells me libapache2-mod-php5...-etch4 is required... as far as i can see only lib...-etch3 is available on sparc... |
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| 22:05.57 | elbing | I've installed xfce running in a sid with KDE. Only shows wallpaper and thunar crash saying segment fault. any idea? |
| 22:06.04 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: me neither I only read about it |
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| 22:06.36 | stew | tarzan__: oh, and you are on sparc? you'll probably have to stick to the eth3 version of php5 then |
| 22:06.52 | stew | tarzan__: (until etch4 is built for sparc) |
| 22:07.09 | tarzan__ | stew: indeed |
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| 22:07.33 | stew | tarzan__: you might consider filing a severity serious bug on php5 if one is not yet filed |
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| 22:07.38 | stew | (in case this is not a known issue) |
| 22:07.45 | morten_ | h3sp4wn, Ok |
| 22:07.54 | bpun | hi, anyone knows if an atapi-6 drive can take the place of an atapi-5 drive? |
| 22:08.10 | d00gster | guys can someone tell why "Starting NFS Common utilities statd" on boot is taking many times more that other processes to load? |
| 22:08.44 | stew | tarzan__: looks like the DSA said: We recommend that you upgrade your PHP packages. Packages for the Sparc architectures are not yet available, due to problems on the build host. They will be provided later. |
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| 22:09.04 | zinx | bpun: sure, as long as your motherboard supports a drive of whatever size it is |
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| 22:09.35 | Ventrix | quiting. i will try it again tomorrow |
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| 22:10.03 | zinx | bpun: and if it doesn't, most drives have a limiter switch, though you'll obviously lose space if you use it. |
| 22:10.45 | spheard | morten_: seems like you got that licked :-) |
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| 22:10.59 | spheard | apt-get install webmin |
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| 22:11.38 | mutante | where to find a list of all packages installed if people choose the "standard system" in the installer (i want to help guy on #debian Efnet;) |
| 22:11.58 | idiot | please, my fluxbox/blackbox can't use vga fonts (edges, snap, etc), but aterm/eterm uses perfect |
| 22:12.01 | idiot | anyone know why? |
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| 22:13.33 | morten_ | spheard, Huh? There are no webmin packages? |
| 22:13.58 | azeem | !webmin |
| 22:13.58 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 22:14.52 | idiot | someone please? |
| 22:14.59 | flixil_ | Hello does somebody has sid and amarok on last version? Does it works well? I use amarok with xine engine and it doesn't detect mp3 codecs (i have w32codecs installed and worked before the dist-upgrade I've just done) and neither reproduce any stream... I doesn't have any ogg to test. Thanks. Mplayer for example can reproduce mp3 |
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| 22:16.09 | spheard | morten_:there was |
| 22:16.25 | morten_ | spheard, Yes. Was. Now you can fetch them from their website. |
| 22:16.46 | spheard | morten_:but it has died, it really is rather poor. I knackered an install with webmin |
| 22:17.06 | spheard | luckily it was a ve, so easy to replace |
| 22:17.31 | morten_ | spheard, What alternatives do I really have for a web-based configuration tool? |
| 22:17.40 | azeem | there's gosa |
| 22:17.56 | azeem | !gosa |
| 22:17.59 | azeem | hrm. |
| 22:18.02 | morten_ | spheard, .. well, actually I only wanted web-based routing/firewall/NAT configuration, but all I foudnd was webmin |
| 22:18.07 | stew | i strongly recommend against using the .debs that are provided by webmin. they show a clear lack of understanding about debian |
| 22:18.18 | streuner | most people doesn't want/like web-based stuff |
| 22:18.23 | spheard | morten_: Its not really cut out for the debian lot, its much better on ubuntu, they love it over there so it works much better |
| 22:18.27 | h3sp4wn | flixil_: Do you have the extra part of xine ? |
| 22:18.36 | DerbyD | I have used webmin without inconvenient |
| 22:18.46 | h3sp4wn | flixil_: libxine1-ffmpeg |
| 22:18.46 | stew | morten_: use fwbuilder to generate rules locally, and fwbuilder comes with tools to automatically deploy new rules to the remote server via ssh |
| 22:18.46 | azeem | dpkg: webmind is also don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 22:18.47 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
| 22:18.50 | azeem | argh |
| 22:18.51 | DerbyD | pretty straightforward |
| 22:18.52 | azeem | dpkg: webmin is also don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 22:18.52 | dpkg | okay, azeem |
| 22:18.58 | spheard | ubuntu - african for "I cant configure debian" |
| 22:19.01 | flixil_ | Wich extra part? i have also (aprt from libxine1) amarok-xine 1.4.5-5 |
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| 22:19.41 | pickcoder | I used Sarge webmin on a remote box to help with shorewall setup |
| 22:19.42 | DerbyD | which alternative you know for web tools like webadmin? |
| 22:19.52 | h3sp4wn | flixil_: There was another package that I needed (I think it was the above) that stopped amarok working for 10 mins a few days ago for me |
| 22:19.54 | mazzanet | cpanel :P |
| 22:19.56 | pickcoder | but I firewalled the connections to my machines |
| 22:20.00 | mazzanet | *ducks* |
| 22:20.10 | DerbyD | cpanel? :O |
| 22:20.15 | stew | azeem: did you look at them? their diff.gz was just the control files in DEBIAN, they were expecting you to untar the orig.tar.gz into / then somehow get the DEBIAN directory out of .diff.gz and then have the postinst actually move stuff around to match policy |
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| 22:21.13 | spheard | what locale should I select? |
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| 22:21.48 | spheard | utf or ISO |
| 22:21.52 | idiot | please, my fluxbox/blackbox can't use vga fonts (edges, snap, etc), but aterm/eterm uses perfect |
| 22:21.55 | azeem | stew: yeah, I read the ITP bug... |
| 22:21.59 | idiot | anyone knows how fix? |
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| 22:22.29 | idiot | when i select a style which uses vga fonts, everything is big |
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| 22:24.00 | morten_ | Well, if I *just* need to do network based configuration, especially the firewall and traffic balancing in a web interface, what alternatives do I have? (think monowall) |
| 22:24.12 | morten_ | .. and I would still like to run Debian, of course. :) |
| 22:24.51 | spheard | morten_:why you so keen for a web interface? |
| 22:25.07 | pickcoder | morten_: you can install whatever you want under /usr/local/ |
| 22:25.10 | azeem | web interfaces rock when you misconfigure the firewall |
| 22:25.36 | morten_ | spheard, Well, I have edited an iptables script by hand for a while now, and I'm not loving it. |
| 22:25.58 | azeem | there's GUI tools for firewalls |
| 22:26.00 | Cyis | azeem: provided you don't misconfigure the firewall to block web traffic :) |
| 22:26.07 | pickcoder | unoffical debs don't always follow the rules, though |
| 22:26.09 | spheard | morten_: I really beleive that cli is the only way you will truly understand what your doing |
| 22:26.10 | stew | morten_: try fwbuilder |
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| 22:26.32 | Cyis | hehe... reminds me I need to get the latest version of fwbuilder packaged... |
| 22:26.52 | morten_ | Well, a GUI app is a pain too, since I'd need to do it on another PC. :< |
| 22:26.52 | stew | Cyis: is it going to do qos yet? |
| 22:27.02 | morten_ | .. hence why I'd prefer a web app. |
| 22:27.29 | azeem | morten_: you could forward the X11 app to another display |
| 22:27.35 | Cyis | Not sure... I've been busy trying to buy a house lately so I haven't looked at the latest version... I still keep bugging Vadim Kurland to get IPv6 support |
| 22:27.54 | stew | morten_: whatever machine that you were intending to run the web browser on, run fwbuilder on that machine instead |
| 22:28.18 | stew | Cyis: what's more important? your house, or my firewall? :P |
| 22:28.36 | morten_ | stew, Would I not need to manually upload the script every time then? Seems like a lot of hassle. |
| 22:28.50 | azeem | morten_: how often do you plan to modify it? |
| 22:28.55 | stew | morten_: no, as i said before, fwbuilder comes with several options for automatic deployment |
| 22:29.04 | Cyis | stew: you really want me to answer that one :) |
| 22:29.16 | stew | Cyis: no. good luck with the house :) |
| 22:29.30 | morten_ | azeem, Often enough. I'd be a netadmin at a small LAN party, and people come up often to ask for opening ports for games. |
| 22:29.34 | Cyis | fwbuilder can ssh the script over the firewall from the GUI or you can configure it to run your own routine to transfer it |
| 22:29.57 | morten_ | stew, I see. Interesting then. |
| 22:30.18 | Cyis | stew: if all goes well, wife and I will be closing on July 16th |
| 22:31.07 | pickcoder | stew: looks like 2.1.7 and up can do QoS classification |
| 22:31.13 | flixil_ | h3sp4wn: thanks a lot dist-upgrade changed alsa for artsd so i installed the xine artsd related packages |
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| 22:32.28 | Cyis | fwbuilder 2.1.8 is currently in testing... I've gotta get 2.1.12 ready |
| 22:32.41 | pickcoder | Cyis: paid your own inspector, right? |
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| 22:33.22 | Cyis | pickcoder: yes... still scheduling the inspection |
| 22:33.32 | pickcoder | that's the first mistake I made buying a house.. :/ |
| 22:33.40 | pickcoder | trusting the agent's inspector |
| 22:33.40 | Cyis | we just went binding the other day |
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| 22:34.15 | stew | both times we bought, our closings were bout 4 months late |
| 22:34.27 | Cyis | pickcoder: yeah, we have our own agent that is separate from the selling agent |
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| 22:34.48 | pickcoder | 4 months?? |
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| 22:34.52 | stew | that was probably part of our problem. we are in one of like 3 markets in the us where there are no buying agents |
| 22:35.21 | karsten | stew: Where's this? |
| 22:35.26 | stew | you have to be your own buying agent (along with some help from your overworked layer) |
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| 22:35.42 | stew | karsten: brooklyn (which is completely different than manhattan or queens where you have a buyers agent) |
| 22:36.11 | Cyis | we found a nice new house that was just built last year and has never been occupied |
| 22:36.29 | karsten | stew: Ah. Foreign housing markets ;-) |
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| 22:37.21 | Cyis | 4 bedrooms, 2.5 baths... full unfinished basement that will become my office/server room :) |
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| 22:37.40 | dvl_ | how configure X in debian? cant find xorgconfig etc |
| 22:37.59 | karsten | !set up x |
| 22:38.00 | dpkg | from memory, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 22:38.03 | Cyis | hehe |
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| 22:38.19 | pickcoder | karsten: Debian servers need homes too |
| 22:38.25 | dvl_ | karsten thx |
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| 22:38.36 | karsten | dvl_: In general, you modify your configuration through dpkg-reconfigure as needed. |
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| 22:39.06 | karsten | pickcoder: Camn! AQnd I've been keeping all mine in shopping carts on the street! |
| 22:39.13 | Cyis | I didn't bother setting up my 7' rack after the move into our apartment... I'm ready toget it out of storage and get my servers back online |
| 22:39.15 | karsten | s/Damn/Damn/ |
| 22:39.18 | karsten | erm. |
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| 22:39.48 | Cyis | better shot the new one too :) |
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| 22:40.25 | Cyis | ready to get off work and go home... |
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| 22:40.47 | foxure | Hello.. Anyone know why "startx -- :2 & exit; gives user not allowed to start xserver when placed in .bashrc.. Even trought it work when i enter directly at the terminal prompt |
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| 22:41.36 | norbert_ | question: is there an /easy/ way to convert animated .gif images to avi or mpeg? |
| 22:41.59 | karsten | foxure: sudo cat /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
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| 22:43.04 | foxure | karsten: allowed_users=console.. Guess thats the problem then?:) |
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| 22:43.15 | davi | What is more usable now, Debian sid or testing ? |
| 22:43.30 | azeem | davi: testing, by definition |
| 22:43.58 | davi | ok |
| 22:44.14 | dvl_ | guys, whats the package name for 'xv' ? |
| 22:44.21 | tarzeau | dvl_: doesn't exist |
| 22:44.24 | azeem | dvl_: it's no available anymore |
| 22:44.27 | azeem | not* |
| 22:44.29 | karsten | foxure: Your .bashrc is running non-console, particularly when backgrounded. Working out how to get user-based X inits to work properly is a bit tricky. |
| 22:44.36 | dvl_ | how i install then? |
| 22:44.41 | azeem | dvl_: you cannot |
| 22:44.47 | tarzeau | davi: i find sid far more usable than testing |
| 22:44.50 | azeem | dvl_: you'll have to compile manually or find binaries somewhere |
| 22:44.58 | dvl_ | hmm |
| 22:44.58 | Cyis | davi: testing unless you like falling on your own sword and disemboweling yourself |
| 22:45.03 | dvl_ | fluxbox uses this to set wallpapers |
| 22:45.03 | azeem | dvl_: sorry, xv is not Free Software and not supported here |
| 22:45.08 | azeem | dvl_: I doubt it |
| 22:45.10 | karsten | foxure: You can set the option to "anyone", which will allow you to launch X, but becomes a bit of a security / abuse risk in a multiuser environment. |
| 22:45.12 | tarzeau | (it might break faster, but it certainly gets the fixes faster too) |
| 22:45.22 | dvl_ | i mean, some style |
| 22:45.34 | tarzeau | dvl_: feh is a nicer viewer ... |
| 22:45.35 | azeem | tarzeau: try to put yourself into the users's place for once |
| 22:45.40 | azeem | 00:44 < dvl_> fluxbox uses this to set wallpapers |
| 22:45.43 | foxure | karsten: Hmm.. Thats seems riscy becuse its a multi user system with many users |
| 22:45.44 | karsten | dvl_: xv is unmaintained, and has been so since about 1994. There are a lot of programs which will set wallpaper for you. |
| 22:46.06 | stoned | hi |
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| 22:46.32 | davi | thanks tarzeau & Cyis |
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| 22:46.49 | karsten | foxure: The restriction to running console-only means that a process has to have an owning tty in VT1-6 to be able to launch X. Other users can't mess with your local X server. |
| 22:47.39 | kalashari | how do I completely remove a package? I tried for example apt-get remove apache |
| 22:47.53 | tarzeau | kalashari: add --purge to the command |
| 22:47.56 | karsten | kalashari: s/remove/purge/ |
| 22:48.05 | tarzeau | kalashari: if you already removed the software but not the config, try dpkg -P thepkg |
| 22:48.07 | davi | What virtual machine do you advise me to install Debian sid on this Debian etch host? |
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| 22:48.10 | karsten | kalashari: Use aptitude, it's better. |
| 22:48.13 | tarzeau | kalashari: that won't work, will it? |
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| 22:48.19 | tarzeau | kalashari: it's not better, it's different |
| 22:48.21 | spheard | how do I check software versions |
| 22:48.21 | kalashari | wow |
| 22:48.23 | karsten | davi: Xen, qemu, kvm, uml. |
| 22:48.33 | kalashari | so may replies, tanx |
| 22:48.35 | tarzeau | kalashari: actually it's slower and needs more memory, and installs all the unneded suggests shit |
| 22:48.36 | davi | that are options :) |
| 22:48.40 | karsten | spheard: What software, what version? |
| 22:48.43 | stoned | !version |
| 22:48.43 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 22:48.47 | foxure | karsten: Thats the way i want it. But i want to lock the console or exit it when the xserer loads, |
| 22:49.05 | spheard | stoned: thankyou |
| 22:49.08 | kalashari | so do I go: apt-get remove apache --purge ? |
| 22:49.11 | karsten | tarzeau: ... and it's default and recommended in etch. Thanks for your opinion. |
| 22:49.13 | stoned | welcome |
| 22:49.25 | tarzeau | karsten: default by what? |
| 22:49.31 | spheard | karsten: but most interestin in bind9 |
| 22:49.32 | karsten | foxure: Um, lock how? |
| 22:49.49 | tarzeau | karsten: it was recommended in sarge alreayd. so? it's still not fully backwards compatible to apt-get |
| 22:49.51 | karsten | spheard: in general: dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 22:49.58 | tarzeau | karsten: thanks for calling it better, when it's not |
| 22:50.20 | foxure | karsten: lock it so nobody can access the VC when the xserver are alive |
| 22:50.24 | karsten | tarzeau: It's got a couple of warts. In general, my systems run better maintainted by aptitude than they did with apt-get. The main proviso seems to be "don't mix them". |
| 22:50.54 | karsten | foxure: If they've got physical access to the system you're pretty much hosed. You mgiht want to modify your inittab to kill the gettys on VC1-6. |
| 22:51.02 | tarzeau | karsten: my didn't. aptitude keeps wanting to remove a bunch of stuff that i don't want removed (actually for a few other people too) |
| 22:51.19 | tarzeau | karsten: yes, and they did some testing with only aptitude (not touching apt-get at all, same problem) |
| 22:51.38 | slidesinger | dual boot, two HDD's, XP on IDE 0, Etch on IDE 1. Want to use Grub, two questions. One: can it be done? (Docs unclear, they keep pointing to NTLDR. I would prefer to use GRUB.) |
| 22:51.42 | plapointe_ | Seb: ping |
| 22:51.44 | karsten | tarzeau: Let it remove the stuff, then explicitly add it back. You've got the packagelist. Should be a one time issue. I(f it's not, it's a bugg. Or you fail to understand dependencies properly. |
| 22:51.44 | foxure | karsten: The main goal is that peoplo should be login trought console, then automatical startx, and start xscreen saver and then leave the computer secure.. and at that time some another folks should be able to use the same computer |
| 22:52.22 | karsten | foxure: Why aren't you using an X Display Manager for that? |
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| 22:52.39 | tarzeau | karsten: have you seen bugs.debian.org/aptitude ? |
| 22:52.40 | karsten | foxure: GDM, KDM, WDM will all let you do that. Just kill your gettys. |
| 22:53.01 | karsten | tarzeau: I've *written* the bug that dpkg points to in why not aptitude. |
| 22:53.15 | foxure | karsten: i don't like display managers,, and i want one new x display for any new users |
| 22:53.25 | karsten | tarzeau: I didn't say it was perfect, I said it was better. I stand by that comment. |
| 22:53.41 | azeem | plus it's officially "aptitude > apt-get" |
| 22:53.47 | karsten | foxure: Sounds like a personal problem. Your problem's already been solved. |
| 22:53.59 | azeem | of course, dselect is fine for the people who need to brag |
| 22:54.04 | karsten | azeem: yeah, we've already been there. |
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| 22:54.11 | pickcoder | foxure: how are "other people" going to use the console if it's locked? |
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| 22:54.34 | karsten | pickcoder: That thought had also crossed my mind. |
| 22:54.46 | azeem | screen! |
| 22:54.57 | pickcoder | azeem: it'll be running xscreensaver |
| 22:55.01 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 22:55.18 | slidesinger | dual boot, two HDD's, XP on IDE 0, Etch on IDE 1. Want to use Grub, two questions. One: can it be done? (Docs unclear, they keep pointing to NTLDR. I would prefer to use GRUB.) |
| 22:55.19 | foxure | pickcoder: trought the other available virtual consoles |
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| 22:55.32 | pickcoder | foxure: there are no virutal consoles with X running |
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| 22:55.37 | pickcoder | ~virtual |
| 22:55.38 | apt | i heard virtual is when you can see it, but its not there, as opposed to hidden, where you can't see it, but it is there, when its gone, then you can't see it and it isn't there. a model of reality, in a handy carrying case |
| 22:55.40 | foxure | karsten: Maybe,, but i haven't seen an solution:) |
| 22:55.43 | spheard | !bind |
| 22:55.43 | dpkg | it has been said that bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/. "apt-get install bind9-doc", or try #bind |
| 22:55.49 | pickcoder | you can, however, use remote X sessions |
| 22:55.51 | pickcoder | or possibly VNC |
| 22:55.53 | slidesinger | !dual boot |
| 22:55.54 | dpkg | from memory, dual boot is This describes a system that can boot to two different operating systems. Some OSs, such as Windows NT and OS/2, allow for dual booting when installed. Of course, you can also use other methods such as commercial programs that install a special boot partition that is capable of launching operating systems from other partitions. You can also boot to more than two operating systems on the same machine. |
| 22:55.54 | karsten | tarzeau: What's annoying is having people continue to recommend apt-get out of either ignorance or (your case) obstinance when it's not really appropriate for new users. |
| 22:56.07 | pickcoder | I use VNC here to login to a gnome session under my user login |
| 22:56.20 | foxure | pickcoder: ctrl alt F1 to F6 brings to a new VC |
| 22:56.31 | pickcoder | foxure: load X and try it |
| 22:56.36 | xingu | karsten: one of the specific threats that Xwrapper.config protects against is the wild and wooly stuff that the X display server does to the /hardware/ whilst suid root |
| 22:56.57 | xingu | karsten: just fyi, I'm sure you already knew this. :) |
| 22:57.06 | kalashari | so by doing: dpkg -P package_name I cpmpletely remove package ? |
| 22:57.10 | foxure | pickcoder: load X and try what? =) |
| 22:57.11 | karsten | xingu: Yeah. |
| 22:57.26 | pickcoder | foxure: ctrl-alt-F2 for example to get virtual "X" console #2 |
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| 22:57.51 | foxure | pickcoder: No.. not virtual X console:).. |
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| 22:58.11 | pickcoder | foxure: if the console is running a locked X screensaver, then how do you expect someone else to use the console too? |
| 22:59.03 | karsten | pickcoder: You're wasting your time IMO. |
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| 22:59.19 | pickcoder | I have a few minutes to kill... |
| 22:59.21 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 22:59.53 | foxure | pickcoder: Thats easy,, Just switch to the console where the users started the xserver.. Let's say an user logged in to VC2.. (ctrl alt F2).. and then started startx,, With a switch back to VC2 it easy to just use ctrl c to kill the X session |
| 23:00.08 | pickcoder | O_o |
| 23:00.44 | pickcoder | obviously you know how to set it up, so what's the question? |
| 23:01.27 | slidesinger | Setting up dual boot, two HDD's, XP on IDE 0, Etch on IDE 1. Want to use Grub, two questions. One: can it be done? (Docs unclear, they keep pointing to NTLDR. I would prefer to use GRUB.) I've been all Linux for so long I've never done this. I can get the Linux partition to work on GRUB, but not the Windows one. |
| 23:01.29 | foxure | pickcoder: I can't manage to lock the VC2 or Exit it and still have the X session going=) |
| 23:01.49 | pickcoder | foxure: that's because you don't have virtual consoles while X is running on the console! |
| 23:02.03 | spheard | slidesinger: yes |
| 23:02.17 | spheard | I did exactly the same with ubuntu |
| 23:02.22 | pickcoder | you can start X from any of the virtual consoles, but it will only run on _one_ of them at a time on /dev/console |
| 23:02.38 | foxure | pickcoder: How do you mean..? VC i still available even trought the x session is on ctrl alt F8 |
| 23:02.40 | slidesinger | spheard: have you any idea where I can find the docs for this? |
| 23:02.49 | pickcoder | foxure: OK |
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| 23:03.06 | spheard | have you allready got the os/s installed on both drives? |
| 23:03.15 | spheard | slidesinger^ |
| 23:03.16 | pickcoder | I have no idea what you're talking about.. |
| 23:03.22 | slidesinger | Yes |
| 23:03.31 | karsten | foxure: startx & ext |
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| 23:03.50 | karsten | foxure: ... in a shell function, not a script, still executes on console. |
| 23:04.04 | spheard | slidesinger, when you boot, does it go into wimblows or linux? and if it goes into linux, does it use grub allready? |
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| 23:04.50 | slidesinger | Gives me a grub error 17. I have to use the rescue disk to boot Linux |
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| 23:05.09 | spheard | slidesinger: :-o k, just a sec |
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| 23:05.54 | karsten | s/ext/exit/ |
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| 23:06.04 | foxure | karsten: But that would'nt work either.. I only get "[1]pid number" new line and and login prompt.. Without an x session |
| 23:06.10 | xingu | seems to me that reinventing the concept of a display manager using shellscript (and relying on login for access control) is going to carry along with it all the baggage that has been solved many many times over in the *DM's |
| 23:06.16 | karsten | foxure: Not if you do it right. |
| 23:06.33 | pickcoder | xingu: heh |
| 23:06.42 | spheard | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.52 | xingu | probably be simpler to train your users to use the c-a-fn nerve pinch to bring up a text console if needed. |
| 23:07.00 | karsten | slidesinger: 17: cannot mount selected partition. Misconfigured GRUB or bad filesystem type. |
| 23:07.10 | karsten | slidesinger: Boot a rescue disk and fix your grub install. |
| 23:07.18 | slidesinger | spheard: XP |
| 23:07.54 | slidesinger | karsten: exactly, I'm in there now. XP is on IDE 0 and seems to be the problem. |
| 23:08.18 | foxure | xingu: Thats not the real problem.. I could use a display manager if a want.. But i don't like those that exist.. =) |
| 23:08.25 | spheard | slidesinger http://www.devhood.com/tutorials/tutorial_details.aspx?tutorial_id=405 |
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| 23:08.33 | spheard | slidesinger have you seen this? |
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| 23:08.49 | karsten | slidesinger: chroot into your linux install. Run "grub-install". Verify the GRUB conf. You can test it by running 'grub' interactively. To boot Windows you'll need a chainloader stanza. Attempt rebooting (w/o the rescue disk in). |
| 23:08.57 | pickcoder | hmm ok.. I digress. I have never been able to get ctrl-alt-Fn to switch over to a text console with X running |
| 23:09.04 | pickcoder | it just worked on one of the boxes here |
| 23:09.06 | pickcoder | grr |
| 23:09.16 | xingu | pickcoder: it's configurable |
| 23:09.31 | karsten | foxure: X display manager + xscreensaver provides the ability to do what you're attempting to do, I say. This is a solved problem. You're wasting our time. |
| 23:09.34 | pickcoder | learn something new every day |
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| 23:10.03 | slidesinger | spheard: No, I have not. |
| 23:10.06 | pickcoder | regardless, can you even switch consoles if the input is locked by a screen saver? |
| 23:10.13 | pickcoder | I would expect so |
| 23:10.19 | karsten | pickcoder: It's done that for *years*. Some X drivers fubar text console though (xinerama does that). |
| 23:10.31 | xingu | pickcoder: DontVTSwitch, xorg.conf |
| 23:10.34 | slidesinger | karsten: will do. |
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| 23:10.59 | slidesinger | Thank you all. |
| 23:11.02 | foxure | karsten: Nope.. Maybe wasting youre time.. But doe's not do the things that i want |
| 23:11.22 | karsten | NP |
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| 23:11.32 | pickcoder | karsten: well I've running X since slack 3.0 and I don't remember every being able to do that at the console. |
| 23:11.49 | pickcoder | maybe the configs on the distros I've used have disabled it by default |
| 23:11.55 | pickcoder | *shrug* |
| 23:12.00 | xingu | pickcoder: the defaults for DontVTSwitch have flipped about over the years too |
| 23:12.10 | xingu | pickcoder: presently, they're permissive |
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| 23:13.49 | Plazma | how stable is lenny? |
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| 23:14.06 | karsten | pickcoder: IIRC it's configured in inittab. |
| 23:14.13 | karsten | Plazma: lenny isn't stable, it's testing. |
| 23:14.22 | karsten | !releases |
| 23:14.22 | dpkg | [releases] See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 23:14.54 | Plazma | well i recall when etch was testing it was pretty stable despite it being "testing" |
| 23:15.19 | karsten | Plazma: It's usable. Your best bet is to try it for a while and read what I just posted so you're aware of the limitations. |
| 23:15.26 | karsten | Plazma: It is not, however, stable. |
| 23:15.27 | flixil | Plazma: it's really quite stable... Really nowadays it's actually quite similar to etch but it will separate |
| 23:15.28 | Plazma | ahh good call |
| 23:15.41 | pickcoder | Plazma: Etch was _just_ released to stable, so Lenny isn't exactly thoroughly tested at this point |
| 23:15.41 | xingu | Plazma: when it breaks you get to keep both halves |
| 23:15.47 | karsten | xingu: Bingo. |
| 23:15.50 | Plazma | ahh |
| 23:16.00 | chapium | Plazma: some things in lenny are messed up still |
| 23:16.05 | Plazma | ahh |
| 23:16.05 | flixil | :) Ok better point of view |
| 23:16.06 | Plazma | cool |
| 23:16.07 | karsten | xingu: ... butyou have to give us the blood from your shredded fingers. |
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| 23:16.12 | xingu | Plazma: etch was a long time being released; in that time, it was stable by virtue of the fact that only release critical changes were permitted. |
| 23:16.21 | Plazma | ahh |
| 23:16.32 | Plazma | i kept up back in the day of woody-potato-sarge |
| 23:16.45 | Plazma | but etch/lenny are .. the new kids on the block is all |
| 23:16.49 | Plazma | but thats cool though |
| 23:16.58 | Plazma | ill definatly check it out |
| 23:17.49 | xingu | Plazma: lenny has glibc2.5; I'm sure there's exciting new bugs in it just waiting to bite; we've already had one good burp with the move to texlive |
| 23:18.06 | Plazma | ahh |
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| 23:18.20 | Plazma | i just want something to use for some ruby deving |
| 23:18.33 | Plazma | the socket part on windows seems to be borked, or so im told |
| 23:18.37 | Supaplex | I've broken plenty of things in etch. like cdrecord+wodim. 427771 |
| 23:18.42 | Plazma | hehe |
| 23:18.45 | xingu | Plazma: which probably means etch with a simple-backport of ruby if that's required |
| 23:18.58 | foxure | hmm.. startx -- :2 & exit; works trought console.. Anyone knows howto implent that in .bashrc without setting allowed_users=anyone? |
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| 23:19.09 | Plazma | i always have *loved* the fact of the 30mb net installer :) |
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| 23:19.41 | pickcoder | 30mb? |
| 23:19.43 | pickcoder | heh.. |
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| 23:19.50 | Plazma | might be more now.. but close to that |
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| 23:19.54 | pickcoder | if you get the business card maybe |
| 23:19.54 | Supaplex | Plazma: it's 318kb if you still harbor windows. :) http://www.goodbye-windows.com |
| 23:20.05 | Plazma | haha |
| 23:20.07 | pickcoder | the ISO I have is 138MB |
| 23:20.12 | flixil | I loved that .exe, it's the only one i like |
| 23:20.13 | Plazma | the business card is 30-40mb |
| 23:20.33 | pickcoder | which isn't bad for a usable base system |
| 23:20.47 | Plazma | im using *doze on this box now.. i game here and there so its kinda nice to have native gaming support |
| 23:20.57 | Plazma | i use a lot of OS's though |
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| 23:21.09 | flixil | Plazma: what's *doze? |
| 23:21.14 | Plazma | windoze |
| 23:21.16 | Plazma | err windows |
| 23:21.20 | Plazma | its my way of poking fun of it |
| 23:21.20 | flixil | Ohh ok |
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| 23:21.34 | flixil | I understood windoze |
| 23:21.38 | Plazma | windows didnt get bad overnight, it took fifteen + years of "careful" development |
| 23:21.40 | flixil | rendmond so :) |
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| 23:22.23 | flixil | BOFH excuse #447: According to Microsoft, it's by design |
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| 23:22.39 | flixil | BOFH excuse #78: Yes, yes, its called a design limitation |
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| 23:24.27 | Plazma | vim rocks too :) |
| 23:24.41 | lambda_ | ? |
| 23:24.45 | Plazma | ouch |
| 23:24.53 | flixil | :P |
| 23:24.53 | Plazma | emacs gives me carpal tunnel syndrome |
| 23:25.11 | Plazma | im sure id like it more if i spent more time with it |
| 23:25.20 | flixil | BOFH excuse #448: vi needs to be upgraded to vii |
| 23:25.23 | spheard | vi loves beards |
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| 23:25.38 | flixil | Plazma: try replacing CapsLock with control ;) |
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| 23:25.47 | flixil | When originally capslock where |
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| 23:26.15 | Plazma | blah |
| 23:26.22 | Plazma | that makes me want to drink... more |
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| 23:26.24 | Plazma | !beer |
| 23:26.24 | dpkg | i guess beer is liquid gold mate |
| 23:26.29 | Plazma | !beer me |
| 23:26.36 | flixil | spermann: i don't have a beard... |
| 23:26.47 | shey | I have an external hdd that I cannot seem to access. Keeps telling me permission denied. It is an NTFS partition as well. Seemed to work well under Gnome, but since I switched over to XFCE4, it wont let me in. Any ideas? |
| 23:26.49 | Alarm | Jever... thats not a beer, thats just a bittler liquid thing |
| 23:26.50 | Plazma | i tried to grow one but it gets all itchy |
| 23:26.57 | Plazma | !beer me |
| 23:27.01 | Plazma | thats better |
| 23:27.08 | flixil | !beer dpkg |
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| 23:27.21 | spermann | flixil, so? |
| 23:27.22 | Plazma | !stab flixil |
| 23:27.31 | Alarm | guinness? u have to be really irish to drink that thing :) |
| 23:27.40 | Plazma | guiness rocks.. so does newcastle |
| 23:27.42 | centosloser | hello any doc howto transfrom my debian box to centos? |
| 23:27.58 | Plazma | why would you do that |
| 23:28.02 | karsten | centosloser: Download a CentOS installer disk. Follow directions. /join #centos. |
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| 23:28.05 | Plazma | thats digital blasphemy |
| 23:28.06 | Alarm | i still prefer german beer |
| 23:28.07 | flixil | What's CentOS? |
| 23:28.12 | karsten | !centos |
| 23:28.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, centos is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at http://www.centos.org/projects/centos, or for IRC support, use #centos |
| 23:28.16 | karsten | flixil: RHEL clone. |
| 23:28.22 | Plazma | pretty much |
| 23:28.26 | Alarm | flixil, OS that costs one cent :) |
| 23:28.28 | flixil | Does it uses rpm? |
| 23:28.28 | Plazma | its nice if you watn to learn RHEL stuff for a job or w/e |
| 23:28.31 | centosloser | karsten : I can't do it.. the box is on some datacenter |
| 23:28.33 | flixil | Alarm: lol xD |
| 23:28.39 | karsten | flixil: STFW |
| 23:28.44 | flixil | CentOs is like fedora then? |
| 23:28.48 | spheard | !fedora |
| 23:28.48 | dpkg | fedora is probably Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, modelled after other community projects such as Debian and Gentoo. It is not directly supported by Red Hat itself. See http://fedora.redhat.com or #Fedora for more information, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/fedora.jpg |
| 23:28.51 | karsten | centosloser: I fail to see how this is our problem. |
| 23:28.52 | centosloser | it's rhel4 based |
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| 23:29.01 | karsten | flixil: Dude, STFW. |
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| 23:29.15 | flixil | Search the fine web... xD |
| 23:29.21 | centosloser | karsten : i only asked if it's a howto ... |
| 23:29.22 | Plazma | practice your google fu my son |
| 23:29.27 | spheard | eh? centos and fedora? |
| 23:29.41 | centosloser | centos = stable fedora=blending edge:) |
| 23:29.51 | karsten | centosloser: Go ask #centos. It's really not a Debian problem. |
| 23:30.02 | Alarm | centos... i guess all those small distributions are being used by users , so that users can say that they use something different from the masses |
| 23:30.03 | Plazma | agreed |
| 23:30.14 | centosloser | karsten : i can't join centos.. don't know why |
| 23:30.15 | spheard | centosloser: did you say you want to convery your debian box to centos? |
| 23:30.19 | Plazma | did you identify? |
| 23:30.26 | karsten | centosloser: If you're interested in converting your package selection to CentOS, no, there's no real compatible. |
| 23:30.27 | Plazma | if you dont identify in irc, you cant join some channels |
| 23:30.33 | spheard | centosloser:cos you dont have the pentogram burned in your head |
| 23:30.34 | karsten | centosloser: That doesn't make it a Debian problem. |
| 23:30.34 | centosloser | spheard: yes |
| 23:30.45 | Plazma | deb and rpm.. 2 completly different packaging architectures |
| 23:30.47 | flixil | I agree, not a Debian problem |
| 23:30.50 | Plazma | likewise |
| 23:30.55 | spheard | centosloser: why? |
| 23:31.06 | azeem | spheard: please discuss this with him in private |
| 23:31.16 | centosloser | I know it's not a debian problem I only asked ... maybe it's a howto someewhere |
| 23:31.25 | azeem | centosloser: and you got the answer |
| 23:31.33 | flixil | So I've just dist-upgraded to sid |
| 23:31.34 | azeem | so let's move on |
| 23:31.37 | flixil | I'm quite excited :P |
| 23:31.42 | spheard | centosloser: the mob has spoken, maybe if you buy a round |
| 23:31.46 | flixil | First day with sid |
| 23:31.50 | Plazma | call |
| 23:32.05 | Alarm | flixil, u wont be long hehe , i also went to testing. and after 3 days i did an xserver upgrade and finally end up reinstalling the os :) |
| 23:32.23 | Alarm | i guess next time i will stay on stable for sure |
| 23:32.24 | flixil | I have been in testing for 2 years without major problems :) |
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| 23:32.46 | flixil | I was bored of stable long time ago xD... Too mach kernel boredom |
| 23:32.55 | flixil | s/mach/much |
| 23:33.03 | Alarm | u mean not new kernels ? |
| 23:33.12 | spheard | flixil: you've been in testing? your partner must be the picky sort |
| 23:33.19 | flixil | Alarm: No... Too much kernel boredom it's just a bofh excuse xD |
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| 23:33.29 | flixil | picky sort? |
| 23:33.37 | flixil | What does that mean? |
| 23:33.50 | spheard | flixil, :-) fastidious |
| 23:34.22 | flixil | mmm... Why? |
| 23:34.31 | Alarm | frankly talking, i never saw a more stable , than debian stable |
| 23:34.37 | Alarm | more stable "OS" |
| 23:34.37 | flixil | I don't get any relation between the 2 concepts xD |
| 23:34.51 | flixil | Alarm: I saw it! |
| 23:34.57 | flixil | Debian old Stable |
| 23:34.59 | spheard | because you have been in testing for two years.........never mind, its late and past my bedtime |
| 23:35.08 | flixil | spheard: nooo, please tell me xD |
| 23:35.11 | Alarm | flixil, its stilll debian stable ;) |
| 23:35.19 | karsten | Alarm: I did once, but it was agean stable. |
| 23:35.30 | Alarm | hehe karsten |
| 23:35.32 | spheard | (00:32:23) flixil: I have been in testing for 2 years without major problems :) |
| 23:35.33 | xlotlu | is there anything like script that doesn't log the command output? basically a keylogger that's not evil.. doesn't hide away etc. |
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| 23:36.03 | flixil | spheard: soo you mean that if i don't have problems with os... then i must have problems with my girlfriend? xD |
| 23:36.11 | shey | How the hell do i set the permissions on a external hdd? I cant figure this out for the life of me... |
| 23:36.13 | Alarm | well i've been in testing for 3 days, and on the 3rd day after upgrading the xorg. i couldnt log to kde again |
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| 23:36.36 | Alarm | now. while being on testing... my system shows me that i use xorg 1.3.0 hehe, yes 1.3.0 :) |
| 23:36.46 | spheard | no no, you said "I have been in testing for two years", that implies that you personally have ben under scrutiny. |
| 23:36.57 | spheard | flixil^ |
| 23:36.58 | hailviral | is there a way to find out what my isp ip addy is |
| 23:36.58 | karsten | spheard: No. |
| 23:36.58 | shey | and.... there is a bug in the artwix-cursor package. Its missing a dependancy. |
| 23:37.02 | flixil | xDDDD xDDDD |
| 23:37.06 | hailviral | i have a router and i only get my eth0 |
| 23:37.08 | flixil | lol... That's quite funny |
| 23:37.11 | karsten | spheard: ... it suggests that he's still got release-critical bugs and hasn't made it into stable. |
| 23:37.30 | spheard | karsten: hey buddy, Im the guy with the engish degree here |
| 23:37.33 | karsten | shey: What FS on the external drive? |
| 23:37.42 | flixil | hailviral: connect to whatismyip |
| 23:37.57 | shey | ntfs, and I installed ntfs-3g thinking it would be cool to write to an NTFSfs. |
| 23:37.57 | hailviral | k |
| 23:38.08 | karsten | shey: For vfat: man mount, look at vfat options, specify user, group, and umask |
| 23:38.14 | karsten | !rwvfat |
| 23:38.16 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 23:38.32 | flixil | It's hard being not an english native and trying to understand jokes, but it makes them more funny if possible |
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| 23:38.47 | spheard | flixil: man...........where you from? |
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| 23:38.55 | shey | I am just curious as to how it worked within Gnone just fine... |
| 23:39.02 | chapium | judging by the xD's.. youtubia |
| 23:39.09 | shey | I kinda like the automounting option, specially when i am in a hurry. |
| 23:39.29 | flixil | :) No i'm not from youtubia but from Catalonia |
| 23:39.57 | spheard | flixil: then your about 4 steps infront of 90% of the usa |
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| 23:40.27 | shey | the icon stills pops up on my desktop when I inser the USB, but says access denied when I try to explore it. |
| 23:40.35 | flixil | spheard: Boy i'm not from Castro's island |
| 23:40.55 | karsten | flixil: Technically, it's a Greek joke. |
| 23:41.21 | spheard | do the greeks have jokes? |
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| 23:41.29 | flixil | Arg :P Will i need an explanation for every joke that you crack on me? |
| 23:41.41 | flixil | spermann: they have kisses |
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| 23:42.35 | flixil | !stab spheard |
| 23:42.44 | cap | Hi. Does anyone else have the problem with last Xorg/lenny update: 1280x1024 resolution not working on mga(4) driver? |
| 23:42.55 | spheard | :-< |
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| 23:43.13 | spheard | flixil: thats pretty low man |
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| 23:43.31 | flixil | spheard: can you explain the 4 steps in front of 90% of USA? |
| 23:43.45 | flixil | spheard: ;P Quite low... |
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| 23:44.14 | koojoo | hrmm... should i use ext3 or reiser for my new box.... |
| 23:44.26 | flixil | XFS |
| 23:44.27 | koojoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.40 | flixil | then try new adventures with XFS :P |
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| 23:44.50 | koojoo | and i have noticed no difference in performance for my needs... |
| 23:44.54 | koojoo | decisions decisions... |
| 23:45.09 | koojoo | flixil, xfs... sgi's filesystem? |
| 23:45.10 | flixil | But you will have to have a boot partition not XFS so /boot ext2 it's good |
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| 23:45.39 | koojoo | flixil, i always have /boot as ext2 and that holds my kernel AND bootmgr if its not MBR'd |
| 23:46.19 | flixil | Oh ok ok |
| 23:46.24 | koojoo | i go for simple part' scheme... 500mb /boot, 2000mb swap, 50000mb /, 4500mb /var, 3000mb /tmp |
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| 23:46.43 | rad7 | help :( http://wklej.org/id/eba0178f10 |
| 23:46.45 | flixil | sgi is silicon grafics? |
| 23:46.48 | spheard | flixil: Americans are a generally cow like people. Unable of independand thought they trudge through there crass commercialist existance eating and driving huge monstrosities, usually at the same time. I was saing that yourself, being of spanish origin are probably far more quick witted than the majority of the US populace. present company excluded. Techs are elevated onto a higher plain of existance. |
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| 23:47.05 | koojoo | advantages/disadvantages of xfs for linux vs ext3/reiser? |
| 23:47.11 | koojoo | flixil, yes, silicon gfx |
| 23:47.28 | koojoo | did they not pioneer xfs for their graphics boxes? |
| 23:48.12 | rahul | koojoo: reiser? oy. |
| 23:48.36 | koojoo | rahul, oy? |
| 23:48.51 | flixil | spheard: Thanks then. But i don't believe in such topics. Not all those who wander are lost |
| 23:48.56 | rahul | oy. |
| 23:48.58 | koojoo | rahul, reiser is good no doubt, but im pondering for my 3rd box... reiser or ext3... i have both on a box already |
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| 23:49.01 | rahul | good? |
| 23:49.06 | spheard | flixil: The british are similar, but with smaller cars |
| 23:49.11 | flixil | xDD |
| 23:49.21 | schoppenhauer | hello. i have been here earlier. my x-server-configuration worked fine until today when i upgraded xorg not thinking of anything bad can happen... then it didnt work anymore, and i asked here and was (as friendly as always) told to read bugreports. fine, the new xserver-xorg in testing has a bug and i cannot use nvidia-glx with it. i upgraded nvidia-glx as said in the bugreport to the unstable one (though i am using testing and not ... |
| 23:49.27 | schoppenhauer | ... unstable), and still it didnt work. i downgraded anything (xserver-xorg, x11-common, etc.) to stable and set stable the preferred package fork, installed anything. it doesnt work. i dont know why, /sometimes/ it works with "vesa"-driver, but mostly not, mostly the x-server is simply freezing the system (i.e. for example the ventilators begin to cool because acpi is turned off or else). i really dont know what to do. even with the .. |
| 23:49.34 | schoppenhauer | ... minimum-configuration (vesa, 640x480) i cannot get graphical mode. i cannot get a framebuffer. i cannot get anything, even with the stable packages. really dont know what to do anymore. please give me some help, i can wait until that bug is fixed, but i need at least a minimal graphical environment. |
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| 23:49.54 | flixil | spheard: why don't we just remove the safetly labels of every thing and let the problem get solved? |
| 23:50.18 | spheard | flixil: no I think you have to be more active in your approach |
| 23:50.31 | spheard | flixil give everyone guns |
| 23:51.00 | spheard | flixil, but, here is the clincher, put safety warnings on the guns |
| 23:51.12 | flixil | Everybody have already because of 11-9 |
| 23:51.27 | rad7 | I have problem with amavis http://paste-bin.com/11932 |
| 23:51.30 | flixil | xDD "Please do not suicide" |
| 23:51.42 | spheard | flixil then that will fix everything, killing all the bastards who refuse to RTFM |
| 23:52.13 | spheard | making ircland a happier place for those that dwell in it |
| 23:52.32 | flixil | Are you irish? |
| 23:52.33 | spheard | I mean, there will be a little collateral damage |
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| 23:52.38 | schoppenhauer | wah... my post was a bit to long, sorry. |
| 23:52.40 | flixil | or irlandish or whatever it's said |
| 23:52.59 | flixil | schoppenhauer: not really i read it and have no clue |
| 23:53.01 | spheard | flixil: no, no |
| 23:53.15 | flixil | !beer spheard |
| 23:53.22 | schoppenhauer | flixil: hm. a pity :(. |
| 23:53.28 | flixil | How many beers have that bot? |
| 23:53.32 | spheard | schoppenhauer. life, without pain, has no meaning at all. |
| 23:53.42 | schoppenhauer | Jaaa!!! Franziskaner Hefeweizen... Hopfen und Malz, Gott erhalt's. |
| 23:53.49 | flixil | And with it hasn't got it neither |
| 23:53.51 | schoppenhauer | spheard: ... |
| 23:53.53 | flixil | Well maybe 42 |
| 23:54.06 | spheard | !beer schoppenhauer |
| 23:54.08 | flixil | Ni chu sa ba |
| 23:54.08 | schoppenhauer | spheard: i would be satisfied with a framebuffer too |
| 23:54.17 | azeem | Krombacher now das Hefeweizen as well, it should get added to the !beer factoid |
| 23:54.18 | schoppenhauer | habt ihr nur deutsche biere? |
| 23:54.23 | azeem | s/das/does/ |
| 23:54.29 | azeem | schoppenhauer: this is an english channel |
| 23:55.01 | litage | for a vmware virtual machine to use the host's cd-rom, does the host need to have the cd-rom mounted? |
| 23:55.03 | schoppenhauer | azeem: an english channel with german beer ^^ |
| 23:55.17 | azeem | "Spaten Pils" is no german beer |
| 23:55.23 | schoppenhauer | azeem: i was only making jokes about your beer-bot |
| 23:55.25 | koojoo | my dillema has yet to be solved... |
| 23:55.28 | koojoo | flip a coin |
| 23:55.31 | schoppenhauer | azeem: ah. what is it then? |
| 23:55.37 | spheard | ah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Schopenhauer different spelling |
| 23:55.38 | azeem | Spaten is Helles |
| 23:55.45 | azeem | anyway, we're getting off topic |
| 23:55.46 | schoppenhauer | helles? |
| 23:55.48 | streuner | !literal cmd: beer (*.) |
| 23:55.50 | azeem | Munich beer |
| 23:55.54 | azeem | it's not Pils, anyway |
| 23:55.55 | flixil | litage: i think yes |
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| 23:56.06 | spheard | flixil cheers |
| 23:56.08 | schoppenhauer | i know i misspelled "schopenhauer"... |
| 23:56.17 | spheard | !spliff flixil |
| 23:56.28 | spheard | too much to hope for I guess |
| 23:56.31 | schoppenhauer | my nick comes from "schottenhauer" (i dont want to translate that ^^) |
| 23:56.44 | flixil | !untabify spheard |
| 23:57.05 | flixil | hahahahah schottenhauer xD |
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| 23:57.09 | xlotlu | schoppenhauer: downgrade x |
| 23:57.19 | chapium | so |
| 23:57.19 | schoppenhauer | xlotlu: as i said, i downgraded to stable |
| 23:57.26 | flixil | (No i haven't understood it) |
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| 23:57.32 | streuner | !literal cmd: beer (.*?) |
| 23:57.32 | dpkg | "cmd: beer (.*?)" is "($1): <action> (pulls out (a fine|an excellent|an exquisite|a tasty|a nicely refined)|pours a (pint|litre|quart) of|deftly decants a fine) (Guinness|Spaten Optimator|Spaten Pils|Jever|Yuengling Lager|Dogfishhead 90min IPA|Piraat|Gulden Drak|Bornem Tripple|Dileriem Tremens|Franziskaner Hefeweizen) for $1" |
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| 23:57.46 | quad3d | default system shell is bash. tried to ssh into the box and can't. "/bin/bash: No such file or directory" anyone to get into the box? |
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| 23:57.47 | xlotlu | schoppenhauer: and nvidia-glx, and nvidia-kernel |
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| 23:57.48 | schoppenhauer | xlotlu: i downgraded /anything/ to stable related to xorg i found, and it still crashes my system |
| 23:57.54 | streuner | Since when is 'Guiness' a german beer? ;-) |
| 23:57.59 | chapium | i was in a contrary mood, so i installed debian without a swap partition, partly out of fear of editing the partition table and nuking something on a preexisting partition |
| 23:58.00 | schoppenhauer | xlotlu: it doesnt even work with vesa, as i said |
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| 23:58.36 | xlotlu | schoppenhauer: nothing in the X log saying what went wrong? |
| 23:58.38 | schoppenhauer | xlotlu: so i cannot imagine that it has anything to do with nvidia-glx |
| 23:58.43 | chapium | is there a way to fix this without losing data? |
| 23:59.07 | muhoo | what is the modern udev-compliant method (kernel 2.6.21 here) for blacklisting a device/ |
| 23:59.10 | muhoo | ? |
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| 23:59.16 | flixil | Rezizing partitions? I just know of propietaris programs to do that |
| 23:59.17 | muhoo | hotplug appears to be old-skool and no longer used |
| 23:59.24 | xlotlu | damn it's hard to find a keylogger that's not kernel-level / evil / stealthy... |
| 23:59.38 | muhoo | xlotlu: keyloggers are evil by their very nature |
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| 23:59.52 | flixil | xlotlu: I think that the best is to write it yourself |
| 23:59.54 | streuner | muhoo: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 23:59.54 | schoppenhauer | xlotlu: where does x log again? (nothing in /etc/X11... nothing in /var/log...) |
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