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| 00:00.17 | Alarm | schallstrom, /var/log/ |
| 00:00.19 | azeem | schoppenhauer: /var/log/X*log |
| 00:00.23 | xlotlu | schoppenhauer: /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
| 00:00.28 | flixil | schoppenhauer: /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
| 00:00.34 | karsten | schoppenhauer: ... and .xsession-errors |
| 00:00.39 | streuner | muhoo: "blacklist a device"? |
| 00:00.46 | streuner | that doesn't make sense |
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| 00:00.47 | karsten | (In $HOME) |
| 00:00.54 | karsten | streuner: module? |
| 00:01.02 | streuner | yes, that's rather :-) |
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| 00:01.09 | flixil | Welll i'm gonna sleep |
| 00:01.38 | xlotlu | muhoo: i want to keylog my very own konsole to manage to reproduce a bug... |
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| 00:01.41 | flixil | Nice to talk to you... I didn't use to come to this chanel :) |
| 00:02.04 | sn0 | gn flixil |
| 00:02.04 | Alarm | schoppenhauer, yesterday i had also a problem with the new xorg . i couldnt log onto kde . xserver coulnt load the nvidia module |
| 00:02.07 | schoppenhauer | there is only one file Xorg.0.log which doesnt tell of any errors. |
| 00:02.12 | muhoo | streuner: a device, hda-intel. i suppose, blacklist all drivers which might talk to that device |
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| 00:02.26 | Alarm | schoppenhauer, check if there is an log-OLD file |
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| 00:02.28 | xlotlu | guess i could start script from .bashrc |
| 00:02.35 | Led_Zeppelin | I am trying to start up NFS, but its keep 'failing' . is there a log for NFS? |
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| 00:02.41 | schoppenhauer | Alarm: i already did. this also didnt tell any error |
| 00:02.47 | streuner | muhoo: grep your config (kernel), it could be part of the kernel as well |
| 00:03.02 | spheard | Led_Zeppelin: dmsg |
| 00:03.05 | flixil | xlotlu: script doesn't keep a track of passwords or interactive sessions like using an editor... So it's not that evil |
| 00:03.08 | streuner | muhoo: compiled into kernel, not as module |
| 00:03.17 | Led_Zeppelin | spheard: thanks! |
| 00:03.19 | schoppenhauer | the screen just turns black and nothing happens |
| 00:03.28 | Alarm | once refering to xserver . how can X -version show me 1.3.0 xorg installed ,when the package that installed says something about 7.* ? |
| 00:03.34 | schoppenhauer | except the ventilators getting loud maybe because of acpi |
| 00:03.36 | spheard | Led_Zeppelin: mooch around /var/log/ you'll soon find summat |
| 00:03.41 | streuner | muhoo: besides, what kind of problem is that? |
| 00:03.46 | spheard | Led_Zeppelin:maybe daemon.log |
| 00:03.49 | hailviral | where is the file to edit my eth0 so i can set a static ip |
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| 00:03.50 | litage | i just loaded the ide-cd module on my laptop. how can i determine which device my cd/dvd-rom is? |
| 00:03.55 | Alarm | schoppenhauer, by alt+ctrl+backspace, does it start a new session or turns to console ? |
| 00:04.03 | streuner | hailviral: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 00:04.13 | xlotlu | flixil: i don't need to keylog passwords etc. just the stuff i type. the problem with script it logs all the output so i'll get puzzlingly huge log files |
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| 00:04.26 | schoppenhauer | Alarm: no. it completely freezed |
| 00:04.36 | streuner | !gentoosmite nn-gentoo |
| 00:04.38 | xlotlu | schoppenhauer: care to go unstable? (/me ducks just in case..) |
| 00:04.52 | Alarm | schoppenhauer, why not installing nvidia from the nvidia.com binary file ? |
| 00:05.05 | azeem | Alarm: please don't suggest that |
| 00:05.23 | schoppenhauer | xlotlu: unstable? what do you mean? should i upgrade to unstable? |
| 00:05.35 | azeem | xlotlu: please don't suggest that |
| 00:05.39 | schoppenhauer | Alarm: the point is, that xorg doesnt even run with vesa |
| 00:05.45 | schoppenhauer | xlotlu: i dont think so |
| 00:05.53 | Alarm | ohh yes, i am gonna suggest this. i am glad i finally tried that yesterday. 3-5 minutes work . just one command. didnt have to prepare kernel or such things that i needed with the deb file. plus i got newer drivers |
| 00:05.58 | spheard | schoppenhauer how about a menage et trois? |
| 00:06.04 | xlotlu | schoppenhauer: not saying you should... but it's an option (i don't suggest full-heartedly suggest :) ) |
| 00:06.07 | schoppenhauer | xlotlu: i dont see myself to be qualified enough... |
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| 00:06.26 | schoppenhauer | spheard: what? |
| 00:06.41 | nn-gentoo | streuner, times that by three boxes please lol |
| 00:06.47 | schoppenhauer | spheard: what do you mean? |
| 00:06.54 | spheard | schoppenhauer: azeem didnt have a problem with that ;-) |
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| 00:07.12 | schoppenhauer | spheard: whats "menage et trois"? what language is it anyway? |
| 00:07.14 | azeem | Alarm: did you upgrade safely to the next Debian stable version two years from now already? |
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| 00:07.34 | ihope | Hello, goodbye, and all that jazz. |
| 00:07.35 | azeem | Alarm: just because it installed doesn't mean it didn't break your system in subtle ways |
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| 00:07.37 | xlotlu | schoppenhauer: try to do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , maybe try the nv driver, who knows it might cleanup the mess |
| 00:07.49 | schoppenhauer | xlotlu: no. it didnt |
| 00:07.52 | spheard | schoppenhauer: ask google |
| 00:07.56 | schoppenhauer | xlotlu: thats standard-stuff... i already tried |
| 00:07.58 | Alarm | if it broke my system, time will show |
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| 00:08.15 | Alarm | for the moment everything works pretty fine |
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| 00:08.22 | spheard | schoppenhauer: trust me, the best peice of french/english you will ever learn |
| 00:08.24 | schoppenhauer | spheard: thats a bit hard in the console mode... but i already did that. it worked now for almost one year perfectly... |
| 00:08.28 | azeem | spheard: if you want to help us support people with Debian issues here, please try not to confuse users with strange language |
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| 00:08.57 | riorobert | I installed nvidia-glx and kernel a while, and it works just fine. But earlier today when i made a dist-upgrade (i think the kernel was updated) nvidia stopped to work.. I have tried to redo the install process but it does not work. Somebody know whats wrong. It says "Cannot find module "nvidia" does not exist. |
| 00:09.07 | azeem | Alarm: good, if you promise schoppenhauer that you will fix his nvidia issues for the next two years, go ahead and suggest the nvidia.com installer to hin |
| 00:09.08 | spheard | schoppenhauer: :-o |
| 00:09.11 | azeem | him* |
| 00:09.14 | schoppenhauer | riorobert: same problem here ^^ |
| 00:09.22 | azeem | Alarm: otherwise, please don't make our lives harder as they are already |
| 00:09.24 | streuner | !listkeys nvidia |
| 00:09.26 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'nvidia' by key (15 of 84): #debian nvidia ;; #debian nvidia debs ;; CMD: nvidiasmite (.*?) ;; _default new nvidia drivers ;; _default np nvidia ;; _default nvidia one liner ;; nvidia ;; nvidia howto german ;; nvidia one-liner ;; nvidia os dk ;; nvidia slow ;; nvidia upgrade ;; nvidia_experimental ;; remove nvidia ;; tvout nvidia. |
| 00:09.27 | schoppenhauer | riorobert: see the bug-reports ;-) |
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| 00:09.59 | schoppenhauer | hm... |
| 00:10.06 | streuner | riorobert: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 00:10.09 | riorobert | So im now able to have to work again |
| 00:10.10 | azeem | Alarm: see riorobert's issue |
| 00:10.15 | schoppenhauer | shouldnt "stable" be the most... stable? |
| 00:10.17 | Ludwig | Easy question, probably: how do I change the default editor for "sudo visudo"? |
| 00:10.29 | karsten | !tell schoppenhauer about releases |
| 00:10.32 | spheard | !sudo |
| 00:10.32 | dpkg | i heard sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 00:10.38 | karsten | schoppenhauer: "stable" doesn't mean what you think it does. |
| 00:10.50 | Alarm | azeem, he has the same problem as i had yesterday |
| 00:10.53 | karsten | Ludwig: $EDITOR / $VISUAL |
| 00:11.00 | Ludwig | in /root/.profile ? |
| 00:11.04 | muhoo | "stable" means "ancient". |
| 00:11.11 | streuner | no |
| 00:11.16 | azeem | muhoo: right, three months old |
| 00:11.17 | Alarm | i was getting also the same xserver error, that it couldnt load module nvidia |
| 00:11.17 | streuner | stable means stable |
| 00:11.31 | muhoo | azeem: for now. |
| 00:11.32 | azeem | muhoo: stable got released this year, they are running oldstable |
| 00:11.32 | riorobert | So im now able to fix the nvidia-kernel again and have properly worked. ? |
| 00:11.36 | muhoo | ah |
| 00:11.53 | muhoo | oh wait, most of my "stable" machines are still running woody |
| 00:11.56 | muhoo | "oldstable" |
| 00:11.58 | streuner | riorobert: we told you, just use the factoid |
| 00:12.02 | azeem | sarge is oldstable |
| 00:12.07 | nn-gentoo | got xmms running Finally on gentoo with lots of plugins two ( good thing it's not tomutch of an inconvience to donload and make ) With out Emerge! my friend said gentoo made to many buggy patches for xmms and that was why it got kicked? why didn't they use the stable version? do you guys have a better explination then the "distro explination" of why xmms was taken out?? |
| 00:12.14 | riorobert | factiod ? |
| 00:12.22 | Alarm | riorobert, something u can avoid of trying is reinstalling nvidia drivers from the repository and re-prepair ur kernel, it wont change anything. at least it didnt change on my system. neither did reconfiguring xserver change something |
| 00:12.23 | riorobert | *factoid? |
| 00:12.26 | azeem | nn-gentoo: no |
| 00:12.27 | Guerin | nn-gentoo: are you on crack? |
| 00:12.30 | azeem | nn-gentoo: ask #gentoo |
| 00:12.35 | azeem | Guerin: wtf? |
| 00:12.38 | riorobert | can i fall back to my old kernel somehow ? |
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| 00:12.40 | streuner | riorobert: /msg (message) dpkg (bot) nvidia one liner (factoid) |
| 00:12.45 | schoppenhauer | karsten: stable means that for a long period of time no mayor bug was there as far as i know |
| 00:13.01 | riorobert | streuner: should it work then :S ? |
| 00:13.01 | Alarm | riorobert, for the moment change in the xorg.conf file the driver from "nvidia" to "vesa" and log in . to be able to work till u will find a solution |
| 00:13.11 | spheard | schoppenhauer: karsten: no, its literally "hasnt changed" |
| 00:13.19 | Guerin | azeem: i thought it was a fair qestion. |
| 00:13.21 | streuner | riorobert: i have no idea, but it was a suggestion ;-) |
| 00:13.29 | riorobert | what's vesa ? |
| 00:13.34 | schoppenhauer | ok. whatever... as i said, the "most stable" |
| 00:13.35 | streuner | !vesa |
| 00:13.36 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. not accelerated |
| 00:13.37 | muhoo | 2 woody, 1 knoppix, and 1 lemmy. zero sarge. |
| 00:13.44 | azeem | Guerin: please think about how you represent Debian in here |
| 00:13.48 | Guerin | muhoo: lemmy! |
| 00:14.00 | muhoo | yeah, "unstable". lemmy, no? |
| 00:14.07 | Guerin | azeem: I don't represend debian. We've had this discussion before. |
| 00:14.08 | nn-gentoo | oups sory just noticed rong channel sory guys Debian still rocks. I like all distros |
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| 00:14.12 | Alarm | from what i learned. if u install first the xserver and then the nvidia drivers things work ok. the opposide... happens that... what riorobert just mentioned . couldnt fix it eitehr yesterday , i just messed my system more up :) |
| 00:14.22 | Guerin | muhoo: lemmy is the dude from motorhead |
| 00:14.23 | frank | muhoo: it's lenny, not lemmy |
| 00:14.34 | schoppenhauer | ok... i will radically upgrade to unstable now... |
| 00:14.39 | schoppenhauer | maybe this helps... |
| 00:14.44 | azeem | great work, guys |
| 00:15.03 | spheard | schoppenhauer: back up first tho eh? |
| 00:15.09 | schoppenhauer | spheard: what for? |
| 00:15.21 | spheard | schoppenhauer: essential data? |
| 00:15.24 | riorobert | Hmmm... ok. But shouldn't it just be so simple as reinstall the drivers, like i did when i installed them.. Can i delete nvidia drivers somehow ? $ apt-get remove nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common ? |
| 00:15.25 | azeem | schoppenhauer: unstable is not supported here, so if you have issues, ask elswhere |
| 00:15.31 | karsten | spheard: In standard collate sequence. |
| 00:15.42 | schoppenhauer | spheard: i only mean the xorg-stuff |
| 00:16.04 | azeem | schoppenhauer: are you sure xorg is even different between testing and unstable? |
| 00:16.07 | karsten | riorobert: IIRC nvidia drivers (from Nvidia) overwrite other packages. AMybe. And eat babies. |
| 00:16.14 | spheard | schoppenhauer: can you do that, doesnt parts of it rely on the kernel upgrades? |
| 00:16.20 | schoppenhauer | spheard: no |
| 00:17.43 | Alarm | riorobert, sure just dont do that aptitude remove $(apt-cache search nvidia | grep nvidia | cut -d' ' -f 1) . as u will end up even without dhcp |
| 00:17.43 | Alarm | as it happened to me :) |
| 00:17.43 | azeem | Alarm: but you still like to suggest it to random users? |
| 00:17.44 | Alarm | i said DONT do that |
| 00:17.44 | azeem | eh, suggest "nvidia.com" |
| 00:17.44 | Alarm | azeem, nvidia.com didnt cause me the problem |
| 00:17.44 | azeem | ah |
| 00:17.44 | Alarm | xserver upgrade was the mistake |
| 00:17.59 | azeem | spheard: do you have a debian question? |
| 00:18.00 | schoppenhauer | spheard: i already have some experimental modules... i.e. alsa and ndiswrapper... because the "testing" ones dont work... i never had ANY problems with them... but now... xorg is the SAME in testing as in unstable... i cant imagine, why? i thought that programs must first be in unstable for a short period of time and /then/ are put into testing... |
| 00:18.15 | riorobert | think i must run on the "nv" driver.... but i want nvidia again... hate to upgrade kernel, non-free drivers don't like it either.. |
| 00:18.29 | Alarm | i had nvidia-glx package installed . after upgrading xserver the problems appeared. i said that installing the nvidia drivers from the website solved my problem |
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| 00:19.06 | Alarm | we are like 700 people here. believe me azeem almost each of us will suggest different things. |
| 00:19.43 | schoppenhauer | how can this be anyway? a testing and unstable-package is upgraded to the same version at the same day? |
| 00:19.48 | Alarm | also, i dont have to win anything , by suggesting to someone things that i havent tried |
| 00:19.54 | rahul | Alarm: then you didn't install the debian ones cirrectly |
| 00:20.05 | azeem | Alarm: there's a hardcore team of a few dozen regulars, and we are pretty much convinced nvidia.com is bad |
| 00:20.09 | schoppenhauer | what sense does that make? |
| 00:20.10 | rahul | Alarm: you probably broke the debian packaged nvidia drivers with the upstream before upgrading xorg |
| 00:20.11 | azeem | and don't support it |
| 00:20.12 | Alarm | rahul, debian ones were installed normaly, as i worked on them for over 1 month . |
| 00:20.26 | azeem | Alarm: we can add you nick and email to the nvidia factoid if you want to support it, ok? |
| 00:20.33 | Alarm | well not me, xserver upgrade did |
| 00:20.33 | spheard | schoppenhauer: Its tricky I dont think there really is a hard and fast rule, I think its one of the drawbacks of a community developed project that you get a few lumps in the mix so to say, I certainly come across a few in the sparc port. |
| 00:20.39 | rahul | azeem: no convincing needed. it's simple logical deduction. |
| 00:20.46 | rahul | Alarm: wrong |
| 00:21.00 | rahul | Alarm: xserver upgraded did not install the upstream drivers |
| 00:21.01 | Alarm | azeem, i am not trying to say that i know more than u do. i am sure i know less. i just say what he shouldnt try |
| 00:21.03 | riorobert | I get the failure mess "Does not exist" but i $lsmod | grep nvidia and there it was what's the problem.? |
| 00:21.24 | rahul | he shouldn't try installing nvidia's drivers using nvidia's installer |
| 00:21.28 | azeem | Alarm: and I simply asked you not to suggest the nvidia installer |
| 00:21.48 | Alarm | rahul, i am sorry, i thought u were mentioning about my installation about nvidia drivers before the xserver upgrade. missunderstood |
| 00:21.53 | azeem | because we (the people who have been in here for years) don't want to support the problems |
| 00:22.01 | azeem | if you want to support the problems, feel free |
| 00:22.08 | spheard | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:22.16 | Alarm | azeem, i didnt insist on that anymore as u saw. i just say that it helped me getting of some work |
| 00:22.30 | azeem | ok. |
| 00:22.39 | rahul | it didn't help you. it's probably what hurt you. |
| 00:22.50 | Alarm | and yes, it can be that it scrables my system, thats something i really dont you . |
| 00:23.04 | rahul | Alarm: it probably did, and that's why the xserver upgrade broke |
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| 00:23.14 | Alarm | really dont you = really dont know |
| 00:23.32 | rahul | you probably used the nvidia installer, then the debian packages, then upgraded the x server |
| 00:23.47 | Alarm | rahul, sorry for saying that but you didnt follow the conversation . i had nvidia-glx on my system when i upgraded xserver . not nvidia.com drivers |
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| 00:24.09 | rahul | Alarm: that's what you think |
| 00:24.10 | azeem | it's perfectly possible that a new x.org server broke nvidia drivers |
| 00:24.14 | Alarm | nop. opposide. i had the debian drivers. and upgraded xserver , and the nvidia.com drivers solved my problem |
| 00:24.20 | riorobert | didnt... i used this guide http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 00:24.26 | rahul | Alarm: what problem? |
| 00:24.37 | Alarm | the same riorobert just mentioned |
| 00:24.45 | Alarm | after the reboot turns to console |
| 00:24.56 | Alarm | xserver complains that it can load the nvidia module, although its loaded |
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| 00:25.12 | Guerin | Alarm: try to make sense |
| 00:25.18 | Alarm | rahul, also those would do: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaHowTo they are the same |
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| 00:25.55 | riorobert | I think nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common is the best way... but i don't like it to crash as soon as a new kernel is installed. |
| 00:26.04 | rahul | are you talking about the issue that the old nvidia driver is incompatible with a new kernel? |
| 00:26.10 | rahul | crash? |
| 00:26.21 | rahul | Alarm: "If you have previously installed NVidia drivers using the NVidia installer you need to remove it before continuing:" |
| 00:26.27 | azeem | riorobert: there's no way around, you need to recompile your 3rd party drivers when you move on to a backwards-incompatible kernel |
| 00:26.29 | riorobert | By the way... why cant i install the nvidia drivers now just because the kernel has upgraded.. Why is it so ? |
| 00:26.30 | rahul | Alarm: it says to UNDO what you said to do |
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| 00:26.38 | schoppenhauer | is there some cd-burner one can use in the console, i.e. with an ncurses-ui or something? then i could burn a livecd to at least access my things that way temporarily. |
| 00:26.47 | Alarm | Guerin, make sense of what ? i upgraded xserver (while i had nvidia-glx working on my system for several months), after the upgrade, i couldnt log onto kde anymore as it couldnt load the the nvidia module and i was getting some errors from the xserver |
| 00:26.50 | rahul | riorobert: compile them for the kernel you are using! |
| 00:27.00 | rahul | schoppenhauer: wodim |
| 00:27.08 | Alarm | rahul, i did remove the privious installed drivers . |
| 00:27.10 | Guerin | schoppenhauer: cdw |
| 00:27.12 | riorobert | azeem: ok? let's tell me that in detail please.. im a beginner... ok maybe one level over beginner but... well.. |
| 00:27.16 | rahul | hrm |
| 00:27.26 | rahul | Guerin: is that what it's called these days? |
| 00:27.28 | schoppenhauer | rahul, Guerin: thanks |
| 00:27.41 | Guerin | rahul: nah, they're different - wodim does dvds as well |
| 00:27.43 | Alarm | ehmm people. somehow i fixed my problem, now if i did fix it half ways or completely, thats something i will see in the future, schoppenhauer and riorobert have the problem now, not me . |
| 00:27.47 | rahul | Guerin: ah, ok |
| 00:28.13 | azeem | riorobert: you need to rebuild the nvidia drivers for your new kernel |
| 00:28.27 | Alarm | i really am not here to do the smart guy as i admit i know really few things about linux,i just say things i learned through my tryouts yesterday |
| 00:28.28 | azeem | riorobert: as explained on that wiki page |
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| 00:28.59 | azeem | riorobert: good luck, I'm going to bed now |
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| 00:29.06 | Alarm | azeem, nop. rebuilding doesnt solve the problem |
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| 00:29.16 | Alarm | i tried every single step yesterday |
| 00:29.33 | Alarm | from the same guide . didnt fix the problem, but he surely could try |
| 00:29.42 | schoppenhauer | but why... WHY didnt downgrading work? and why doesnt it work with nv, nore with vesa? |
| 00:29.59 | schoppenhauer | and... why did nvidia-xconfig produce a segmentation fault? |
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| 00:30.42 | nanoc | . |
| 00:30.42 | riorobert | azeem:rebuild .. what is the header on that stage |
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| 00:33.48 | reiser2 | hi |
| 00:33.50 | kalashari | why is 'top' command showing me one memory usage, but when I visit my HyperVM control panel, it shows me completely different stuff..... |
| 00:33.57 | kalashari | im on vps |
| 00:34.06 | reiser2 | is there any application to record my screen actions |
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| 00:34.46 | schoppenhauer | hm... now... i will either be lucky for having xorg installed... or the difference... anyway... wish me luck... if i quit due to a ping timeout or sth., my system is still crashing ^^ |
| 00:35.26 | Alarm | eheh schoppenhauer :) |
| 00:37.08 | reiser2 | something like this |
| 00:37.08 | reiser2 | http://www.adobe.com/products/captivate/ |
| 00:38.30 | reiser2 | is there something like that? |
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| 00:41.38 | foug | does the netinst of debian come with a GUI? gnome/kde and a window manager? |
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| 00:42.17 | chapium | is there away to enable options on the kernel without recompiling? |
| 00:42.20 | Alarm | foug, no |
| 00:42.30 | Alarm | foug, you need to install everything manualy |
| 00:42.41 | chapium | i need to install apm |
| 00:42.46 | foug | Alarm: aw crap. Is there a version of debian to download that's just debian and minimum apps? |
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| 00:43.13 | chapium | foug: depends on your definition of minimum |
| 00:43.13 | Alarm | minimum apps ? u can define that during the installation what u want to install or not |
| 00:43.25 | foug | o so i can choose to install gnome or KDE? |
| 00:43.33 | Alarm | kde debian cd puts u straight to kde , but puts many apps |
| 00:43.38 | foug | i'm kinda new ot linux so i don't want to have to build it up from scratch, i would probably mess something up |
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| 00:43.51 | chapium | foug: you could install almost nothing, and then apt-get apps that you need |
| 00:44.13 | foug | chapium: well i have ubuntu right now, and i like to play WoW. and doing all of that was pretty easy to set up |
| 00:45.13 | chapium | foug: i dont see what the problem is then :p |
| 00:45.17 | Alarm | foug, i would suggest you 2 things. try to install from a netinstall cd by having a guide of how to end with gnome or kde installed. |
| 00:45.34 | Alarm | or try installing with kde debian cd , u will end in kde without getting to console at all |
| 00:45.56 | Alarm | if u dont like any of these , u can define from a normal dvd installation the packages that u want to install / remove |
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| 00:45.58 | foug | well i want to switch to debian because ubuntu has a lot of unecessary apps |
| 00:46.13 | cottima | does anyone use debian edu or skolelinux? |
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| 00:46.22 | Alarm | if you think ubuntu has a lot of . then kde will have even more :) |
| 00:46.37 | foug | really? hmmm |
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| 00:46.48 | Alarm | foug, as i said. try to find a guide to install from a netinstall and put only the applications u want |
| 00:47.08 | foug | allright will do, thanks for the help. I gotta afk for some |
| 00:47.17 | cchance | for the Buissness card Iso, how much ram is required to run debian? |
| 00:47.20 | Alarm | foug, yes. kde cause with a lot of crap apps that noone needs. kde-base is something better, puts mostly needed thing and not all those apps |
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| 00:48.14 | cottima | I am wondering if debian is compatible with LTSP 5.0, then will debian-edu/skolelinux be too? |
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| 00:48.29 | chapium | foug: if you feel encumbered by the desktop environment, you might try xfce. its a bit more lightweight |
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| 00:49.04 | cchance | any one know? |
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| 00:50.33 | cchance | hello, can anyone read me? |
| 00:50.49 | cchance | Earth to Debian |
| 00:50.56 | cchance | Can you read me debian |
| 00:51.00 | Dewi | ... |
| 00:51.08 | Dewi | I was looking up the manual for you |
| 00:51.15 | cchance | oh |
| 00:51.15 | Dewi | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 00:51.20 | cchance | :D |
| 00:51.31 | cchance | thank - You |
| 00:51.54 | Dewi | 'salright |
| 00:52.25 | cchance | a gig of processor!? |
| 00:52.30 | cchance | great |
| 00:52.41 | cchance | rukes out this os |
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| 00:52.50 | Dewi | huh? |
| 00:53.03 | cchance | If its only command line can i get by wth only 250 Mhz? |
| 00:53.06 | Dewi | that's for desktop systems |
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| 00:53.18 | Dewi | cchance: probably |
| 00:53.26 | frank | cchance: depends on what desktop env and what you wanna do |
| 00:53.37 | cchance | I dont need a desktop enviroment |
| 00:53.41 | cchance | its going to be a server |
| 00:53.49 | cchance | without a monitor il patch in with ssh |
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| 00:54.41 | frank | a server lives for ram ;) but if it's only for small purposes e.g. at home this might be ok |
| 00:54.44 | Dewi | cchance: should be useable. I doubt the basic stuff has changed that much since I was running it on 100mhz machines at the turn of the century |
| 00:54.45 | cchance | Its going to run ChilliSpot, |
| 00:55.03 | cchance | and appache with mail |
| 00:55.06 | cchance | thats it |
| 00:55.46 | cchance | Dont worry though im going to isntall a 128 ram card on it son |
| 00:56.02 | cchance | so its going to have about 170Mb or ram |
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| 00:56.47 | Dewi | just kick the installer into minimal RAM mode and give it a go |
| 00:57.03 | cchance | Iim downloading the small version of it right now |
| 00:57.07 | Dewi | (at least I think there is such an option) |
| 00:57.10 | cchance | the buisness card |
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| 00:57.17 | frank | maybe think about something like lighttpd on smaller system |
| 00:57.42 | frank | depends on load |
| 00:57.58 | cchance | So what are the basic commands, apt get, apt search and all that |
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| 00:58.15 | cchance | ah man |
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| 00:58.48 | cchance | totaly forgot, i got to configure it for gateway, how can i do this, does it have a wizard type thig in command line? |
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| 01:02.39 | cchance | Or recomendations, i want to run the following, Webhosting, E-mail, Wifi hotspot, and data storage |
| 01:03.43 | petemc | i want an oompa loompa |
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| 01:04.33 | cchance | :/ |
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| 01:05.49 | daeos | i am wondering..... is using 98% of 384MB of ram normal? |
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| 01:07.12 | Supaplex | !ram |
| 01:07.12 | dpkg | ram is probably (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running. or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_! ram!, or a male sheep, or a type of car |
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| 01:08.28 | Supaplex | daeos: most of that is usually buffering or cache, which scales up/down based on demand. the kernel constantly calculates system needs, and swaps out idle tasks to disk to make better use of ram for caching and active apps. |
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| 01:12.01 | busfahrer | daeos: You can check the amount that applications actually need using 'free', in the line +/- buffers/cache. |
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| 01:13.51 | unlink | what is the name of the current disk encryption tool as of etch? |
| 01:13.53 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.53 | dpkg | Bonjour, gigantic. Comment allez-vous? |
| 01:14.18 | daeos | busfahrer: right, i've seen that |
| 01:14.22 | daeos | busfahrer: and its ALOT |
| 01:14.39 | daeos | busfahrer: 386872 381128 5744 |
| 01:15.32 | busfahrer | daeos: Well that can happen if you have a X, a desktop environment and a lot of apps running... |
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| 01:18.44 | docta_v | is there a debian package that provides flock? |
| 01:19.02 | docta_v | as in file lock |
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| 01:20.51 | cire | hi, I am using the "cd #sh:user@host" command in mc to transfer files, but there's a host with ssh not being on port 22. May I use it although? |
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| 01:21.03 | daeos | busfahrer: ok then im alright... but its really alot to me hah |
| 01:21.33 | busfahrer | daeos: There's an old saying... ``You can never have too much RAM.'' |
| 01:22.04 | daeos | busfahrer: until your board limits you |
| 01:22.14 | daeos | busfahrer: my board only allows 384 |
| 01:22.24 | daeos | wonder if i could chain 2 mobos... |
| 01:22.36 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.41 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.52 | busfahrer | daeos: Get new hardware ;-) |
| 01:23.00 | daeos | busfahrer: no way! i paid $45! |
| 01:23.00 | busfahrer | Rob a bank or something, if necessary. :-P |
| 01:23.13 | busfahrer | daeos: What are you using? KDE? |
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| 01:24.17 | cire | does anybody know how to use #sh:user@host in midnight commander on a port different from 22? |
| 01:25.26 | omri | maybe append :port after the host? |
| 01:25.30 | omri | user@host:port |
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| 01:25.40 | cire | omri: didn't work for me :( |
| 01:25.49 | cire | already tried that |
| 01:25.51 | omri | mmm let me try |
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| 01:25.59 | petemc | you can configure ssh to user a different port for a host in ~/.ssh/config |
| 01:26.08 | petemc | s/user/use. |
| 01:26.12 | petemc | gah |
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| 01:27.46 | cire | ...that might work, but I hoped there was a cmdline hack for this |
| 01:28.19 | Gigantic | cire: use iptraf |
| 01:28.34 | Gigantic | cire: will tell you what port are in use |
| 01:28.44 | cire | never heard about that, I'll have a look |
| 01:29.10 | petemc | do you not know the port you need to use already? |
| 01:29.27 | daeos | busfahrer: gnome |
| 01:29.43 | busfahrer | daeos: If RAM really is an issue, consider trying Xfce. |
| 01:29.54 | daeos | i did |
| 01:29.59 | cire | I am not sure what you mean... there's a server with ssh running on port 8080 |
| 01:30.01 | daeos | busfahrer: uses more |
| 01:30.15 | busfahrer | daeos: Are you sure? |
| 01:30.21 | petemc | cire: then you dont need iptraf |
| 01:30.24 | daeos | busfahrer: i turned it off in 5 mins |
| 01:30.33 | busfahrer | daeos: Then you're doomed ;-) |
| 01:30.33 | daeos | busfahrer: couldn't do anything via vnc |
| 01:31.10 | daeos | and i'd go back but forgot how to ;) |
| 01:31.13 | cire | just read the iptraf description - I really don't need this ;) |
| 01:31.25 | petemc | cire: if appending the port number after a colon didnt work in mc, then i should think ~/.ssh/config would be your best route |
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| 01:32.24 | cire | petew: in this case, I had to edit this file for every server I want to access which doesn't run ssh on port 22... |
| 01:32.42 | daeos | hmm maybe i should try it again then |
| 01:32.56 | daeos | so how would i go from gdm to xfce ? |
| 01:33.12 | petemc | cire: is that such a big deal? |
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| 01:35.02 | cire | it isn't... but I can't belive that mc can't handle that without changing ssh config... |
| 01:35.18 | cire | I am reading mc manual at the moment, hopefully I'll find something |
| 01:35.20 | petemc | i cant believe its not butter |
| 01:35.32 | cire | ;) |
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| 01:35.51 | busfahrer | daeos: Try dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 01:36.03 | busfahrer | daeos: Or just select xfce in Gnome's session options |
| 01:37.18 | MindHack | 5C5C/wc |
| 01:37.25 | MindHack | whoops, sorry |
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| 01:37.29 | omri | god. I didn't understand how great mc is untill I had a look in its man page |
| 01:37.36 | omri | did you know about cd #apt ? :) |
| 01:38.05 | omri | it can even rip CDs |
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| 01:38.14 | omri | you can read your mail as well :P |
| 01:38.17 | d3bian | /join#freebsd |
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| 01:38.32 | SerajewelKS | what the hell |
| 01:38.36 | lymeca | http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 01:38.40 | lymeca | What is this list of? |
| 01:38.40 | SerajewelKS | why does ogg123 all of a sudden need dcop running |
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| 01:39.56 | cire | yeah, those mc guys integrated a lot of protocols (#undelfs is the next thing I'd like to try), and I really love their work! But there's no port option for #sh... |
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| 01:51.14 | vladuz976 | hi i created a primary partition with fdisk on my external harddrive, then made a filesystem with mkfs -t ext3 /dev/.... when I try to mount it, it says it can't find an ext3 fs on the device |
| 01:51.21 | vladuz976 | what could be wrong? |
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| 01:52.19 | mmlj4 | um, /dev/WHAT? |
| 01:52.32 | vladuz976 | /dev/sda1 |
| 01:52.48 | mmlj4 | nice |
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| 01:53.33 | mmlj4 | ok, unplug it, tail -f /var/log/messages and plug it back in |
| 01:53.39 | mmlj4 | paste that, please |
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| 01:54.30 | mmnicolas | vladuz976: have you set the type 83 in fdisk for /dev/sda1 ? |
| 01:54.45 | kritical_ | Question: in debian is /etc/cron.d enabled by default? |
| 01:54.59 | asg | kritical_: yes |
| 01:55.05 | Guerin | kritical_: surenis |
| 01:55.13 | Guerin | else it wouldn't be mucho useo |
| 01:55.14 | Braguz | hello,_sometimes_my_spacebar_does_not_work._Why_it_can_be? |
| 01:55.39 | vladuz976 | mmnicolas: actually iam not sure about the number, i remember it said linux, but i think it was somethign with 80, couldn't have been 82, right that's swap so i think it was 83 |
| 01:55.41 | ix | your keyboard. |
| 01:55.42 | asg | kritical_: read cron(8) for the full skinny |
| 01:55.44 | Guerin | yay, linus trolled Sun into committing opensolaris and practically everything they have to GPL! |
| 01:55.44 | kritical_ | Hmmm, know what manual I can read for more information? I have a file in there which isn't getting run |
| 01:55.51 | kritical_ | asg: ahh thank you =) |
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| 01:55.54 | Guerin | someone buy that man a beer |
| 01:55.56 | mmlj4 | Braguz: then tell me how you typed "/j #debian" |
| 01:56.00 | asg | kritical_: the bit about 'run-parts' is likely the issues |
| 01:56.10 | asg | Guerin: no worries, got my own |
| 01:56.10 | kritical_ | asg: cheers, very helpful =) |
| 01:56.12 | mmnicolas | vladuz976: and you specify the fs type in the mount command or fstab ? |
| 01:56.14 | Braguz | mmlj4:_copy_paste |
| 01:56.14 | asg | kritical_: you're welcome |
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| 01:56.31 | Guerin | Braguz: buy a new keyboard |
| 01:56.34 | furrywolf | Braguz: your keyboard and/or your user is broken. replace one or the other. |
| 01:56.38 | mmlj4 | and borrow a brain |
| 01:56.42 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:56.47 | Braguz | ha-ha. |
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| 01:57.05 | vladuz976 | mmnicolas: yeah as mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 directory/ |
| 01:57.22 | vladuz976 | mmnicolas: is that correct? |
| 01:57.30 | mmnicolas | it is |
| 01:57.32 | Guerin | vladuz976: man mount |
| 01:57.47 | mmnicolas | vladuz976: must be done as root |
| 01:57.55 | daeos | Guerin: could you remind me on how to switch from gdm to xfce ? |
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| 01:58.12 | Guerin | daeos: that doesn't follow |
| 01:58.26 | vladuz976 | mmnicolas: sure i did that |
| 01:58.36 | liable | i just had a panic when i found a su login in auth.log from my sisters account, but forgot i was logged in as her in a screen window and did it myself ;) |
| 01:58.36 | Braguz | Guerin_my_keyboard_is_ok._I_think_it_has_something_to_do_with_the_settings. |
| 01:58.55 | vladuz976 | Guerin: so you saying i'm not using mount correctly? |
| 01:58.56 | furrywolf | Braguz: it is much more likely the problem is your keyboard. |
| 01:58.57 | Guerin | Braguz: there is no such thing as a setting which disables spacebar. |
| 01:58.59 | cire | I wanted to try the undel:/dev/sd? feature of midnight commander. I unmounted sdc1 and tried "cd /#undel:/dev/sdc1", but I always get "no such file or directory". It is ext2, and as I read, debian mc is compiled with undel functionality... |
| 01:59.08 | furrywolf | Guerin: sure there is, but I doubt he did it on accident. :) |
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| 01:59.16 | Guerin | vladuz976: no, i'm saying that you should read `man mount' if you want to know how mount works |
| 01:59.40 | Braguz | Guerin:_I_have_three_keyboards,_none_types_space. |
| 01:59.51 | vladuz976 | Guerin: well i've used it before and I think mount -t ext3 device mountpoint is the way to use it |
| 02:00.03 | Guerin | !think |
| 02:00.03 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 02:00.14 | mmnicolas | .. |
| 02:00.23 | Guerin | Braguz: how curious. Perhaps look at xmodmap or something. |
| 02:00.38 | mmlj4 | hi_I_am_14_will_you_talk_to_me_please? |
| 02:00.48 | Braguz | Guerin_ok,_thanks. |
| 02:00.52 | mmnicolas | vladuz976: seems there is a problem with the formatting or something near |
| 02:01.02 | Guerin | mmlj4: you need to use GREAT RUNES for the full effect |
| 02:01.05 | vladuz976 | Guerin: well, ok now. I did read the man page and indeed "mount -t type device point" is correct |
| 02:01.12 | Guerin | vladuz976: bravo! |
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| 02:02.06 | vladuz976 | mmnicolas: i am deleted the partition and started over again, i'll see if it works this time. i used verbose this time with the filesystem see if anything goes wrong there |
| 02:02.07 | cire | ...okay, undelfs is not compiled in (tells mc -V) |
| 02:02.23 | Guerin | cire: undelete is useless on modern filesystems anyhow |
| 02:02.36 | Guerin | cire: the only exception being ext2 |
| 02:02.48 | cire | just wanted to have a look at it ;) |
| 02:02.56 | cire | no last files here |
| 02:03.01 | cire | s/last/lost |
| 02:05.11 | vladuz976 | mmnicolas: does creating a filesystem usually take very long? maybe something is wrong. it takes about 20 min for 320GB |
| 02:05.18 | daeos | Guerin: can you explain your response "that doesn't follow" |
| 02:06.10 | mmnicolas | vladuz976: i don't know :P |
| 02:06.22 | mmnicolas | really |
| 02:06.34 | mmnicolas | maybe |
| 02:07.02 | vladuz976 | daeos: don't count on what Guerin says. he's just messed with me, too. |
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| 02:07.40 | vladuz976 | mmnicolas: i don't remember my internal hard drive to take that long during installation |
| 02:08.06 | mmnicolas | vladuz976: if the drive or your ports are usb1.0 |
| 02:08.12 | mmnicolas | it may take some more time |
| 02:08.31 | vladuz976 | mmnicolas: not sure about the ports, the drive is 2.0 |
| 02:08.53 | witless | i'm setting up a new home server and i'm taking this opportunity to look at alternative software packages. would anyone care to recommend an alternative to cyrus imap? |
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| 02:08.53 | mmnicolas | var/log/message will tell you |
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| 02:09.43 | Guerin | daeos: gdm and xfce are not the same type of thing; you can't switch from one to the other. |
| 02:10.02 | abrotman | witless: courier? dovecot? |
| 02:10.15 | ame | Hello can someone tell me what the debian package is called for gnome development libraries |
| 02:10.24 | witless | i've used courier before. anything remarkable about dovecot? |
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| 02:10.26 | vladuz976 | mmnicolas: hmm that says usb 2-1 |
| 02:10.47 | ErichK | What is a good, easy to use and configure, mp3/ogg streamer for a network? |
| 02:11.14 | mmnicolas | vladuz976: look for, UHCI, EHCI or OHCI |
| 02:11.56 | binary010 | so does anyone what the gnome devl libraries are called |
| 02:12.25 | mmnicolas | vladuz976: ehci is usb 2.0 |
| 02:13.29 | vladuz976 | mmnicolas: i guess i have usb 1.1 |
| 02:13.42 | abrotman | binary010: there are quite a few |
| 02:13.56 | n3kl | How can I get cacti to use only php5? |
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| 02:14.14 | ErichK | What is a good, easy to use and configure, mp3&ogg streamer for a network alone? (Won't be used for web) |
| 02:14.17 | n3kl | I am trying to aviod installing php4 at all. |
| 02:14.25 | binary010 | abrotman: where i can i find out which one i need ? |
| 02:14.33 | abrotman | i don't know what you're trying to do! |
| 02:14.47 | vladuz976 | mmnicolas: you know if macs can write/read ext3 ? |
| 02:14.57 | binary010 | i'm trying to install bacula with gnome option |
| 02:15.36 | binary010 | it says that i need gnome development libraries |
| 02:15.39 | mmnicolas | vladuz976: probably |
| 02:16.19 | vladuz976 | mmnicolas: just wondering if i should make it ext3. coz if i take it around different places probably FAT32 better, they can all read it |
| 02:16.51 | binary010 | actually nevermind i found the solution |
| 02:16.52 | binary010 | thank you |
| 02:17.27 | daeos | i need .xsession to modify what desktop manager to load correct? |
| 02:17.34 | Guerin | no |
| 02:17.46 | Guerin | daeos: a desktop manager has its own xsession |
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| 02:19.06 | daeos | o |
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| 02:19.22 | daeos | hrm... then im lost |
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| 02:22.17 | abrotman | !dm |
| 02:22.17 | dpkg | DM means display manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
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| 02:23.19 | vladuz976 | mmnicolas: you know how i can create a FAT32 filesystem? |
| 02:23.40 | daeos | so if xfce isn't a dm then what is it |
| 02:23.47 | abrotman | !de |
| 02:23.47 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 02:23.49 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:23.54 | abrotman | xfce is a DE/WM |
| 02:24.13 | daeos | oh, just a simple display environment/ window manager |
| 02:24.20 | abrotman | Desktop Environment |
| 02:24.24 | daeos | ok |
| 02:24.34 | daeos | so then a dm vs. a de ? |
| 02:24.48 | daeos | because you said that a dm does the login prompt also |
| 02:24.56 | daeos | where as a de doesn't? |
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| 02:25.32 | n3kl | Is syslog-ng better then syslog? If so, why is it not installed in place of syslog on a fresh install? |
| 02:25.54 | abrotman | more things understand syslog ? |
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| 02:31.07 | daeos | abrotman: for lower memory usage which would you recommend? gnome or xfce ? |
| 02:31.15 | abrotman | xfxce |
| 02:32.07 | abrotman | though you didn't say how much is "lower" |
| 02:32.25 | daeos | im using 98% of my 384MB of ram |
| 02:32.29 | daeos | using gnome |
| 02:32.48 | Dewio | daeos: be careful there |
| 02:32.56 | abrotman | gnome should be fine |
| 02:32.57 | daeos | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.57 | Dewio | daeos: "using 98%" doesn't in itself mean you don't have enough RAM |
| 02:33.04 | abrotman | i used to run gnome with 256MG |
| 02:33.05 | abrotman | MB |
| 02:34.00 | daeos | Dewio: well then im not sure if my 98% is really bad or not |
| 02:34.15 | daeos | Dewio: i use it to host 1 website, and a forum. |
| 02:35.41 | daeos | but i would like to try another manager |
| 02:35.49 | daeos | /environment/ |
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| 02:37.26 | daeos | abrotman: i know i've asked before but how would i go from gnome to xfce ? |
| 02:37.28 | Dewio | daeos: it's not about what percentage is "used" |
| 02:37.42 | Dewio | daeos: it's about how often your hard drive is getting hit for pages |
| 02:37.42 | abrotman | daeos: change your .xsession |
| 02:37.43 | daeos | Dewio: ok.. then what is it about then really? |
| 02:38.15 | Dewio | daeos: I guess what I'm trying to say is that something like java uses half a gigabyte of memory it basically never seems to swap in |
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| 02:38.18 | daeos | abrotman: Guerin just said earlier that changing my .xsessions won't.. but as told to me before.. not to listen to some things he says ... ha |
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| 02:38.32 | Dewio | daeos: and if it's not swapping, it's not hurting you, although your memory usage will appear to be massive |
| 02:38.38 | abrotman | !.xsession |
| 02:38.39 | dpkg | from memory, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 02:38.49 | abrotman | ok .. that says to use .xinitrc |
| 02:38.52 | Dewio | daeos: another thing that can happen is that something might deliberately be adjusting its memory usage to fill what's there - what isn't use is just wasted, after all |
| 02:38.53 | abrotman | you can also use update-alternatives |
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| 02:39.08 | daeos | abrotman: update-alternatives? |
| 02:39.15 | Dewio | daeos: apache, for example, seems to keep creating threads until memory fills up and then it stops (in my experience) |
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| 02:39.17 | abrotman | man |
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| 02:39.53 | daeos | Dewio: hmm |
| 02:40.09 | rcbarnes | I'm trying to get the unstable version of mcabber using "apt-get -t unstable update mcabber" but that isn't working. What am I doing wrong? |
| 02:40.11 | daeos | Dewio: maybe i should restart apache and see how it goes from there |
| 02:40.30 | Dewio | daeos: I'm no expert, but I have 99% RAM used, and I've been running 'vmstat 5' for a couple of days now to watch the 'si' and 'so' columns, and they are almost entirely zeros |
| 02:40.35 | rcbarnes | err s/update/upgrade/ |
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| 02:41.33 | Dewio | daeos: which I have a feeling means I'm not hitting the disk for RAM much at all (but I'm a bit vague about this as you can see) |
| 02:41.45 | abrotman | rcbarnes: install |
| 02:41.52 | leming | rcbarnes, man apt-get |
| 02:41.59 | rcbarnes | abrotman: install didn't work wither |
| 02:42.12 | rcbarnes | leming: I have the man page open, actuall |
| 02:42.14 | abrotman | then you did it wrong ? |
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| 02:43.33 | daeos | Dewi: i just did hte same, vmstat 5, and its similar to what you just said.. no si so |
| 02:44.05 | Dewi | somebody else, pipe up and tell us whether consistent 'si' and 'so' of zero in vmstat means we probably have enough RAM right now |
| 02:44.08 | rcbarnes | sudo apt-get -t unstable install mcabber --> mcabber is already the newest version. |
| 02:44.12 | Dewi | ... because I'm never sure about this stuff :P |
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| 02:44.20 | rcbarnes | mcabber -h |
| 02:44.21 | rcbarnes | MCabber 0.8.3 |
| 02:44.31 | rcbarnes | but unstable has 9.1 |
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| 02:44.36 | chapium | every now and then.. my screen really freaks out |
| 02:45.34 | rcbarnes | err. unstable has 0.9.1 |
| 02:45.40 | rcbarnes | but still, lower than I'm using |
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| 02:46.03 | rcbarnes | s/lower/higher/ |
| 02:46.44 | rcbarnes | (and I have at least 6 more to go) |
| 02:47.32 | rcbarnes | no one knows what my issue is? |
| 02:47.50 | abrotman | apt-cache policy mcabber |
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| 02:50.15 | rcbarnes | installed and canidate are both 0.8.3 |
| 02:50.28 | rcbarnes | abrotman: does that indicate anything? |
| 02:50.41 | abrotman | you did something wrong |
| 02:51.06 | leming | apt-get install mcabber=version# |
| 02:51.11 | abrotman | that's another wa |
| 02:51.13 | abrotman | y |
| 02:51.18 | abrotman | but i suspect his sources are messed up |
| 02:51.35 | leming | most likely |
| 02:51.44 | rcbarnes | 0.9.1 wasn't found |
| 02:51.52 | abrotman | paste your sources |
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| 02:52.00 | abrotman | !info mcabber lenny |
| 02:52.05 | dpkg | mcabber: (Small Jabber console client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.9.1-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 191 kB, Installed size: 1212 kB |
| 02:52.11 | abrotman | use centericq :) |
| 02:52.15 | leming | though, quick resolution versus drawn out sources assistance.. ;) |
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| 02:52.51 | abrotman | try the former all you want .. if the sources are broken .. you're wasting your time |
| 02:52.52 | abrotman | :) |
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| 02:53.10 | rcbarnes | what's the preferred pastbin here? |
| 02:53.22 | leming | rcbarnes, mcabber=0.9.1-1 |
| 02:53.22 | abrotman | !PASTE |
| 02:53.23 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 02:53.34 | abrotman | leming: it wasn't in his policy |
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| 02:54.10 | rcbarnes | http://pastebin.ca/565674 |
| 02:54.16 | dnanar | !dpkg pastebin |
| 02:54.22 | leming | or the system is set at stable |
| 02:55.02 | abrotman | rcbarnes: you don't have any unstable sources ? |
| 02:55.17 | rcbarnes | I'm using etch, which is why I was using the -t unstable |
| 02:55.30 | abrotman | that only works if you have other sources defined |
| 02:55.32 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 02:55.32 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 02:55.33 | rcbarnes | abrotman: I thought that was the idea of -t |
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| 02:55.47 | bisbar | hi, could someone tell me the difference between linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-amd64? |
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| 02:56.27 | abrotman | rcbarnes: you still need the source defined to use -t |
| 02:57.10 | abrotman | rcbarnes: /msg dpkg simple sid backport .. it's probably an easier method for you |
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| 02:59.32 | rcbarnes | hm |
| 02:59.34 | rcbarnes | no backports |
| 02:59.40 | abrotman | rcbarnes: /msg dpkg simple sid backport .. it's probably an easier method for you |
| 02:59.52 | rcbarnes | abrotman: I checked that |
| 03:00.00 | rcbarnes | (I thought) |
| 03:00.03 | abrotman | read the whole thing |
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| 03:01.18 | daeos | killing gdm should kill gdm and x too? im trying to go from gdm to xfce |
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| 03:01.48 | cry0x | why not use gdm to start your xfce session? |
| 03:03.41 | daeos | cry0x: i've not been told that is possible |
| 03:03.52 | daeos | cry0x: +, im connecting via vnc |
| 03:04.02 | daeos | cry0x: not locally there at the box |
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| 03:08.08 | DrCurl | hi |
| 03:09.02 | DrCurl | I installed Debian etch, and I'm building a custom desktop based on Rox. I installed network-manager-gnome, but I can only start nm-applet as root... any fix? |
| 03:10.17 | rcbarnes | thanks leming and abrotman for the help |
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| 03:13.17 | DrCurl | brb |
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| 03:23.56 | maxamillion | Miles_Prower: wait ... someone literally died? ... or is that the name of a computer you own? |
| 03:25.36 | daeos | how can i remotley change options in the gdm greeter? so that when a display opens, another window manager opens instead of gdm? |
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| 03:28.23 | Miles_Prower | someone |
| 03:28.42 | Miles_Prower | important to many kids in the 80's love for scienc |
| 03:28.43 | Miles_Prower | e |
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| 03:39.44 | bintut | anyone here noticed that the openoffice.org bundled on debian etch i386 has a bug particularly when you create a table inside the writer, and on your table you create a header and that header will aligned to center, it will automatically add a bullet and the entire alignment is broken already? |
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| 03:44.23 | stoned | file a bugreport after you verify this behaviour |
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| 03:44.43 | stoned | bintut: is it a reproducable error always? |
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| 03:48.38 | bintut | stoned: yes |
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| 03:49.12 | bintut | stoned: how? where? sorry, i've been a debian user for a few months only |
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| 03:50.21 | n3kl | What is required to make cacti display graphs? |
| 03:52.00 | n3kl | php5-gd |
| 03:52.13 | stoned | bintut: if you think its a bug, then check the debian bts (/msg dpkg bts) and search for your package, after which you can file it with reportbug package |
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| 05:39.31 | Azar | honorables.... what a huge security update! |
| 05:39.50 | Azar | guess all mirrors were smoking |
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| 05:50.28 | sparr | I have a Gigabyte GA-M61PM-S2 motherboard with onboard audio. Manual says Realtek ALC883 chip. LSPCI says "nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio". lsmod says I am using snd_hda_intel. Audio in about half of my games has static. Help? |
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| 05:54.10 | liri | is the sarge net install still available? |
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| 05:58.24 | anarcat | is it me or security.d.o is slow? |
| 05:58.37 | anarcat | i mean, unusually slow :) |
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| 06:01.01 | liri | I'm looking at debian.org but I'm not seeing any mentioning for getting sarge's isos |
| 06:01.54 | RainbowW | oh. yay. i managed to covercome a stupid bug in ssl-cert. |
| 06:02.39 | anarcat | uh, it's back |
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| 06:02.49 | Azar | anarcat: it is, mirrors overloaded with requests now |
| 06:05.01 | RainbowW | when i start apache2 i get a warning that it can't reliably determine the server's fqdn. where is that set? |
| 06:05.23 | metbsd | hostname |
| 06:05.29 | metbsd | hostname localhost |
| 06:05.42 | RainbowW | in what file? apache.conf? |
| 06:05.52 | metbsd | type that in command line |
| 06:05.56 | metbsd | and start apache again |
| 06:07.08 | RainbowW | so rather than using the ip address it's using /etc/hostname. okay, but i want to make the warning go away completely. |
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| 06:10.18 | Azar | liri: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
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| 06:11.29 | jdude1284 | Hi - I can't seem to get my ich7 RAID5 to mount - I just converted from a RAID0 which worked perfectly using dmraid. dmraid -r lists my sdX devices which are part of the RAID5, but dmraid -ay says "device-mappter target type "raid45" not in kernel" |
| 06:11.40 | jdude1284 | It is strange because I have compiled raid456.ko into my kernel |
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| 06:11.47 | jdude1284 | is itpossible that dmraid is looking for the wrong module? |
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| 06:14.21 | deadcat | is there a bug in openssh-server in sid? i get Permission denied (publickey). |
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| 06:15.14 | Into | hello |
| 06:16.30 | liri | Azar: thanks! where did you dig that link from? :) |
| 06:16.36 | Azar | liri: googled |
| 06:17.09 | Azar | liri: read careful all warnings and instructions on that page |
| 06:17.31 | Into | I'm looking for an IRC client, with a GTK gui, that don't depends of Gconf or any Gnome libraries. Do you know some ? |
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| 06:19.48 | liri | Azar: yep. I'm aware of the sources problem with stable/sarge although this is something I can mend during the install from the console window |
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| 06:20.25 | Into | I also have a problem with my clock which is accelerating |
| 06:20.45 | Azar | liri: I guess do a quick base install, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, update, upgrade and continue installing |
| 06:21.22 | bintut | i want to try building my own .deb package and i'll just use the source .deb from unstable and build it on my debian etch. what do i need to do? what steps i need to check first? |
| 06:21.46 | deadcat | is there a bug in openssh-server in sid? i get Permission denied (publickey). |
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| 06:22.43 | deadcat | very strange, i can ssh 1 account@localhost but i cant ssh deadcat@localhost, nor root@localhost, i cant ssh anyone@sidmachine |
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| 06:23.25 | byon | deadcat: check /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 06:23.39 | deadcat | byon: i allow all those account there. |
| 06:23.41 | Azar | deadcat: looks like the experts are away. The very first time things stopped to show out, or work in sid, personally I gave up and installed stable |
| 06:23.48 | liri | Azar: yep, or that. |
| 06:24.00 | deadcat | Azar: its my desktop |
| 06:24.08 | Azar | deadcat: yes but is sid |
| 06:24.13 | Azar | in sid things break |
| 06:24.32 | deadcat | must be openssh-server then. |
| 06:24.36 | deadcat | time to install telnet |
| 06:25.15 | cast | there are other ssh servers you know |
| 06:25.16 | Azar | you could google for "issues with openssh-server in Debian Sid"... |
| 06:25.21 | Guerin | deadcat: see if there's a similar problem with lsh-server |
| 06:25.26 | Guerin | telnet is Not The Answer |
| 06:25.45 | Guerin | but this looks like PEBCAK to me |
| 06:25.45 | deadcat | let me try to downgrade instead. |
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| 06:25.53 | deadcat | PEBCAK? |
| 06:26.05 | Guerin | deadcat: you know what pebcak is. |
| 06:26.39 | deadcat | !pebcak |
| 06:26.39 | dpkg | pebcak is probably Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 06:26.51 | deadcat | now i do |
| 06:27.05 | deadcat | yeep. broken openssh-server |
| 06:27.12 | Guerin | nice |
| 06:27.17 | deadcat | problem solved (= |
| 06:27.18 | Guerin | deadcat: file bugs ow |
| 06:27.21 | deadcat | k |
| 06:28.17 | Azar | it is a great night for going fishing out at the ocean... and mannn, I can't |
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| 06:30.19 | factor | I am trying to upgrade to unstable and some of the packages are messed up how can I by pass a package that is not letting me set up the rest of the packages. |
| 06:30.22 | Guerin | Azar: not here it ain't |
| 06:30.36 | factor | without removing the package |
| 06:30.44 | Guerin | Azar: iwent out, nothing. And I talked to a chinese guy who'd had nothing all day. |
| 06:30.45 | Azar | Guerin: first warm, summer day-like here |
| 06:30.56 | factor | just tell it to skip the package |
| 06:30.59 | Guerin | factor: you can't. |
| 06:31.13 | factor | what do I do to fix it then |
| 06:31.17 | Guerin | factor: try aptitude -f install; |
| 06:31.24 | Azar | Guerin: at least some shrimp? ... at the beach? |
| 06:31.26 | factor | I am stuck in the middle of an upgrade becasue of one package |
| 06:31.28 | Guerin | factor: depends on the problem |
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| 06:31.35 | Guerin | factor: welcome to Sid. |
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| 06:32.02 | Guerin | Azar: nope. We don't have much in the way of shrimp here, too cold. |
| 06:32.09 | Azar | hehe factor, that's unstable saying hello to you |
| 06:32.21 | factor | just wanting to know how to deal with unstable |
| 06:32.22 | Azar | ahhhh I see.. |
| 06:32.35 | factor | cool looks like it is working thanks |
| 06:32.38 | Azar | factor: that's something people learn on their own |
| 06:32.41 | Guerin | factor: there is no particular way. It's unpredictable and complicated. |
| 06:33.00 | Guerin | factor: hurrah, you're lucky. |
| 06:33.11 | factor | nope still fell on its face |
| 06:33.12 | factor | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.22 | Guerin | factor: run it again, post output to paster |
| 06:33.29 | factor | k |
| 06:33.46 | Azar | factor: after you manage to install it be prepared for packages to stop working, dissapear... etc :) |
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| 06:33.59 | factor | just reinstalling it |
| 06:34.08 | factor | I had ran unstable for years. |
| 06:34.15 | factor | really hrad latley |
| 06:34.20 | Azar | fun fun |
| 06:34.36 | _agn_ | i see these on boot: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
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| 06:34.37 | _agn_ | e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex |
| 06:34.37 | _agn_ | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready |
| 06:34.40 | Pakus | Hiya |
| 06:34.43 | _agn_ | what do they mean ? |
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| 06:35.06 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:35.07 | Guerin | _agn_: they're informational messages, ignor ethem |
| 06:35.09 | Pakus | Anyone can help me to install a PECL Radius in PHP? I can't find a package... |
| 06:35.15 | _agn_ | Guerin: ok |
| 06:35.20 | zoidy | What kind of (command line) software could I use to get the dimensions of a SWF file? |
| 06:35.39 | wols | loacte xorg.conf |
| 06:35.46 | _agn_ | anybody had any problems with debian losing its interface config on boot ? |
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| 06:35.59 | _agn_ | only lo0 comes up |
| 06:36.13 | tralala | _agn_, man interfaces |
| 06:36.13 | _agn_ | have to manually bring up eth0 |
| 06:36.33 | tralala | you need a line auto eth0 in there |
| 06:36.39 | _agn_ | i have it already |
| 06:37.09 | tralala | is it wireless interface? |
| 06:37.10 | wols | _agn_: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 06:37.13 | wols | any messages? |
| 06:37.16 | Azar | well depends on what configuration you got, dns...lalala |
| 06:37.19 | _agn_ | tralala: no |
| 06:37.31 | Pakus | Anyone can help me to install a PECL Radius in PHP? I can't find a package... |
| 06:37.37 | wols | _agn_: paste your interfaces in a pastebin |
| 06:37.44 | _agn_ | i can't restart it, am doing remote administration |
| 06:37.53 | Azar | Pakus: apt-cache search <packagename> |
| 06:38.03 | _agn_ | and the public ip goes down and i can't access it everytime i reboot |
| 06:38.07 | tralala | _agn_, do it with screen |
| 06:38.12 | Pakus | Azar, It doesn't exist... in normal sources |
| 06:38.25 | Azar | Pakus: try backports /msg dpkg backports |
| 06:38.29 | Pakus | I'm trying to find someone who has install it? |
| 06:38.38 | _agn_ | tralala: still, i won't be ableto login without the public ip |
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| 06:39.03 | wols | _agn_: paste your interfaces as I told you. check your logs (syslog and kernel log) for error messages from bootup time |
| 06:39.12 | ChrisW | mornin', anyone remember the name of the util that you can use to chat to someone else on a tty on a unix box? |
| 06:39.31 | tralala | ChrisW, talk |
| 06:39.50 | wols | ChrisW: ytalk on debian afaik |
| 06:39.53 | factor | here is my paste for unstable no wanting to finsih configuring my load |
| 06:39.55 | factor | http://paste.debian.net/30439 |
| 06:39.55 | ChrisW | thought so, just not installed ;-) |
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| 06:40.33 | ma3x | something keeeps setting back my time/date. what is it? |
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| 06:40.52 | wols | factor: why are you missing util-linux? |
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| 06:41.03 | tralala | ma3x, wrong timezone maybe |
| 06:41.05 | wols | ma3x: set back how? |
| 06:41.22 | _agn_ | wols: http://pastie.caboo.se/70342 |
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| 06:41.25 | _agn_ | there you go |
| 06:41.46 | ma3x | every time I set the time, it goes back on the next day for about 24 minutes |
| 06:41.49 | factor | wols :aptitude may have just taken it out |
| 06:42.01 | factor | it was ripping out a bunch of package |
| 06:42.03 | wols | _agn_: check your logs. probably eth0 driver not loaded or such |
| 06:42.10 | ma3x | like if I set it 10:45, the next day it will be 10 21 |
| 06:42.18 | wols | factor: it has NOT. it's a required package. unless you do it it won't go away |
| 06:42.28 | factor | k |
| 06:42.32 | cast | ma3x: i had that issue, the clock was completely fucked in its timekeeping |
| 06:42.38 | wols | factor: still doesn't explain why it's missing |
| 06:42.57 | _agn_ | wols: kernel: e1000: eth0: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection |
| 06:42.58 | ma3x | cast, whats causing it |
| 06:43.07 | _agn_ | that means that the driver is loaded |
| 06:43.10 | factor | installing utils now |
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| 06:43.11 | _agn_ | right ? |
| 06:43.13 | cast | ma3x: dunno. mine fixed itself when i switched kernels iirc |
| 06:43.54 | wols | _agn_: networ was declared "up"? |
| 06:44.03 | factor | wols: cool that package was the key looks like it is finishing up |
| 06:44.07 | factor | thanks |
| 06:44.18 | ma3x | wols, any idea whats causing the time change? |
| 06:44.25 | wols | _agn_: something like that: eth0: Media Link On 100mbps full-duplex |
| 06:44.40 | wols | ma3x: kernel clock driver is a good candidate |
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| 06:45.10 | ma3x | wols, how do I fix it |
| 06:45.19 | ma3x | i run 2.6.18-4 |
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| 06:45.36 | litage | is the thread size in racks standardised, or do they vary? |
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| 06:46.57 | _agn_ | wols: e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex |
| 06:47.17 | Azar | hmm.. the lists.debian.org might have anything to do with today's mirrors clog? |
| 06:48.45 | factor | ok finished now to reboot to see if it is a go. |
| 06:48.47 | factor | brb |
| 06:48.57 | wols | _agn_: then all I can think of is logs |
| 06:49.01 | wols | syslog that is |
| 06:49.17 | _agn_ | wols: those are the lines from dmesg, but they appear only after manually bringing up the interface |
| 06:49.32 | _agn_ | we had to ask the datacenter guy to manually bring up the iface |
| 06:49.59 | _agn_ | do you see any syntax errors in interfaces ? |
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| 06:51.26 | dacs | Hi, how can i unzip in debian |
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| 06:51.35 | tralala | dacs, by using unzip |
| 06:51.35 | dacs | i have a .zip file |
| 06:52.47 | _agn_ | where do i get the list of modules loaded on boot ? |
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| 06:54.06 | Guerin | _agn_: there isn't one |
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| 06:54.18 | Guerin | _agn_: it's much more complicated than that |
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| 06:54.28 | factor | wols:thanks back to normal |
| 06:54.42 | ma3x | how do i turn off the auto clock setting |
| 06:54.42 | _agn_ | Guerin: hm |
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| 06:55.13 | Guerin | -how about you tell us what you actually want to do? |
| 06:55.16 | factor | does anyone know if xorg or debian have a gui xserver conifg that works well while in gui mode. |
| 06:55.28 | Guerin | ma3x: how about you explain what the hell you mean? |
| 06:55.29 | wols | _agn_: put e1000 or whatever the driver is in /etc/modules |
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| 06:55.47 | ma3x | Guerin, after every midnight i guess clocks sets itself back for about 25 minws |
| 06:55.53 | ma3x | how do i stop that |
| 06:56.00 | Guerin | ma3x: use ntp |
| 06:56.23 | ma3x | Guerin, but i dont want autosync, i want to set my time |
| 06:56.56 | Guerin | ma3x: why? You want the wrong time? |
| 06:57.13 | ma3x | Guerin, i simply want it 10 mins forward thats all |
| 06:57.18 | Guerin | wtf |
| 06:57.37 | Azar | ma3x: only by setting the ntp with current time zone you get it right |
| 06:57.46 | Guerin | well, the only thing whichshould fuck with clocks is ntp or ntpd |
| 06:57.49 | Azar | or if not, everyday go and adjust it manually |
| 06:57.59 | ma3x | well i dont have ntp instlaled |
| 06:58.02 | Guerin | so uninstalling or disabling both should do the trick |
| 06:58.27 | Azar | ma3x: ok then adjust them manually every day |
| 06:58.34 | cahoot | forgot chrony? |
| 06:58.37 | ma3x | damn |
| 06:58.44 | Guerin | well, no |
| 06:58.55 | ma3x | if the time is 10 |
| 06:58.57 | Guerin | nothing should be changing the time if you're daft enough to want it to be wrong |
| 06:59.05 | Guerin | so figure out what is and nuke it |
| 06:59.07 | ma3x | and i want it to be 10:20 |
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| 06:59.15 | ma3x | why is it so hard to do that and keep it? |
| 06:59.22 | Guerin | ma3x: it's not. |
| 06:59.26 | niru | I gave make mirrorcheck-binary |
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| 06:59.28 | niru | make: *** No rule to make target `mirrorcheck-binary'. Stop. |
| 06:59.33 | ma3x | Guerin, so whats the way then? |
| 06:59.51 | ma3x | Guerin, if i install ntp it will set it back to 10:00 |
| 06:59.52 | Guerin | ma3x: disable whatever is fucking with it. How is that hard to understand? |
| 07:00.06 | ma3x | Guerin, so wtf is fucking with it |
| 07:00.10 | Azar | ma3x: install proshield and it does the corrections for you |
| 07:00.11 | cahoot | ma3x, what problem is solved by keeoing an inaccurate clock? |
| 07:00.15 | Guerin | !htfswk ma3x |
| 07:00.15 | dpkg | ma3x: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 07:00.17 | ma3x | i told you no ntp ionstalled |
| 07:00.29 | Guerin | ma3x: so it's clearly something else, isn't it? |
| 07:00.31 | ma3x | Guerin, well htf should i know if you dont know |
| 07:00.36 | niru | Guerin, how to solve that |
| 07:00.40 | Guerin | ma3x: it's your fucking computer. |
| 07:00.43 | Guerin | jesus |
| 07:00.45 | Azar | maybe is your bios clock f..ed up |
| 07:00.56 | ma3x | come on dont start with the bios crap |
| 07:01.07 | Guerin | ma3x: he's right, that could be it. |
| 07:01.10 | ma3x | when you dont know something then you shoot the stars |
| 07:01.14 | Azar | ma3x: it is your box you should know better what it is |
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| 07:01.32 | Guerin | fuck's sakes |
| 07:01.36 | Maximiliank | meep |
| 07:01.37 | Guerin | just give up |
| 07:01.40 | Maximiliank | oops |
| 07:01.41 | ma3x | i dont know all those packages and stuff |
| 07:01.42 | Azar | me too |
| 07:01.46 | ma3x | thats why im asking you what it is |
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| 07:02.00 | Guerin | ma3x: and we' ve told you what we know. Now fuck off and sort it out. |
| 07:02.07 | ma3x | you know nothing |
| 07:02.11 | Azar | ma3x: we use ntp, if you don't want to install and use it.... do what you want |
| 07:02.20 | Guerin | impossible, because we manifestly know more than YOU |
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| 07:02.33 | ma3x | you do in your head |
| 07:02.35 | Azar | ma3x: you know better fu..ing fix it |
| 07:02.42 | ma3x | i dont know |
| 07:02.47 | Guerin | exactly |
| 07:02.57 | Guerin | ma3x: it's really fucking simple: |
| 07:02.58 | ma3x | so if you know tell me |
| 07:03.16 | Guerin | ma3x: if you disable whatever's canging your time, it will stop changing |
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| 07:03.25 | Guerin | ma3x: so find what's doing it and disable it |
| 07:03.25 | ma3x | and how do i know whats that? |
| 07:03.34 | ma3x | yeah find out how? |
| 07:03.39 | Guerin | ma3x: how the fuck should we know what it is? It's your computer. |
| 07:03.44 | Guerin | show some fucking adaptability |
| 07:04.03 | DGnome | Hi! Has anyone managed to make debian behave like osX with ethernet, so that when i plug in the rj45 it would automagically detedt that and run dhclient? |
| 07:04.03 | Azar | hehe |
| 07:04.05 | tralala | Guerin, need an /ignore? |
| 07:04.08 | ma3x | well im a normal user with debian base install + kde |
| 07:04.15 | Guerin | tralala: no, I need spokr-over-ip |
| 07:04.21 | karsten | Guerin: spokr? |
| 07:04.22 | Guerin | ma3x: you are far from normal. |
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| 07:04.40 | cahoot | DGnome, network-manager |
| 07:04.41 | karsten | DGnome: That sounds like a hotplug sort of thing. |
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| 07:04.49 | karsten | Guerin: Who's krasten? |
| 07:04.57 | Azar | +kde and + who knows what crappy package downloaded from somewhere |
| 07:05.08 | DGnome | cahoot: oh, have to check that out |
| 07:05.15 | Azar | karsten: maybe a real girl |
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| 07:05.23 | Guerin | karsten: sushtup |
| 07:05.30 | karsten | Guerin: r u a girl? |
| 07:05.31 | cahoot | DGnome, network-manager-gnome judging by your nick |
| 07:05.32 | ma3x | could it be some of those crontab daily scripst |
| 07:05.38 | karsten | Azar: ;-) |
| 07:05.40 | Lynoure | in irc we are all just bits |
| 07:05.46 | Guerin | ma3x: now you're thinking! |
| 07:05.50 | karsten | Lynoure: No, I'm the space between. |
| 07:05.59 | Guerin | karsten: i'm whatever you want me to be, for $100/hr |
| 07:06.04 | Azar | hahaha |
| 07:06.06 | Lynoure | karsten: Not much into electronics, then? |
| 07:06.10 | Azar | pony |
| 07:06.34 | ma3x | Guerin, but why does it get so difficult? i mean always something goes wrong and then i lose a lot of time for a minor thing like this |
| 07:06.45 | _agn_ | 169: 55244 0 IO-APIC-level eth0 |
| 07:06.52 | _agn_ | nromal behaviour ? |
| 07:07.00 | karsten | Guerin: You're cheap! |
| 07:07.02 | _agn_ | its from /proc/interrupts |
| 07:07.07 | Guerin | ma3x: i don't have such a problem. Your special requirements are probably what's breaking things. |
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| 07:07.15 | Guerin | karsten: get in before I graduate. |
| 07:07.37 | Guerin | _agn_: do you have any reason to believe otherwise? |
| 07:07.40 | karsten | ... and resells him at $500 in SF. |
| 07:07.46 | ma3x | Guerin, when i run hwclock it fixes it |
| 07:07.52 | Guerin | karsten: sweet. When do I leave? |
| 07:07.55 | _agn_ | Guerin: i don't know the 'normal' behaviour |
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| 07:08.08 | Guerin | _agn_: so why are you presuming it's abnormal? |
| 07:08.25 | _agn_ | coz i don't know |
| 07:08.32 | karsten | Guerin: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/personals.cgi?category=m4m Whenever you're done. |
| 07:08.35 | Guerin | _agn_: be happy. |
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| 07:08.59 | _agn_ | KTHXPLZ |
| 07:09.22 | DGnome | cahoot: I know, my nick is sortof lame but I've had it since when redhat 6 whas new and shiney and nicks are something you shouldn't change.. :) |
| 07:09.22 | Guerin | karsten: classy. |
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| 07:10.16 | cahoot | DGnome, wasn' meant as a judgement anyway |
| 07:10.24 | ma3x | Guerin, there was some package when you install it it asks you 'is your timezone UCT' does this look reasonable? do you remember what package this is? maybe tzdate or debconf or linux headers ???? |
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| 07:10.35 | DGnome | cahoot: np :) |
| 07:10.45 | Guerin | ma3x: tzselect/tzconfig |
| 07:10.53 | ma3x | right thanks |
| 07:11.00 | ma3x | could that have anything to do with it |
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| 07:13.26 | ma3x | then why when i use the touchpad i get these errors every 5 minutes |
| 07:13.28 | ma3x | psmouse.c: issuing reconnect request |
| 07:13.28 | ma3x | psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio2/input0 lost sync at byte 1 |
| 07:13.40 | ma3x | and touchpad disables itself for 10 secs |
| 07:13.55 | Guerin | ma3x: you have my condolences. Mine works fabulously. |
| 07:14.26 | omar | i am running test, i just did and apt-get update, looks like i need to install a lot of new stuff, is there a way to lock onto a release, or is it too late? |
| 07:15.06 | ma3x | Guerin, again a buggy driver psmouse.c |
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| 07:15.42 | ma3x | Guerin, or do you use the synaptic driver? |
| 07:16.34 | g00se | Can i redirect tcp bound for 80 to 81 using iptables? Tried following but didn't work: iptables -A FORWARD -s 0/0 -i eth0 -d 192.168.1.6 -p TCP --sport 80 --dport 81 -j ACCEPT |
| 07:17.14 | cast | i think you've confused --dport and --sport |
| 07:17.21 | cast | [the meaning of them, i mean] |
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| 07:17.28 | g00se | cast: Ah |
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| 07:17.36 | Guerin | ma3x: i'm not sure. |
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| 07:17.58 | ma3x | Guerin, what does your xorg conf say? |
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| 07:18.06 | g00se | cast: You mean should be other way around? |
| 07:18.10 | Guerin | h, i use synaptics |
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| 07:18.30 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:18.30 | dpkg | <veleno> Guerin: i don't know what a moron is. |
| 07:18.31 | cahoot | ma3x, there is a suggested solution for your touchpad issue if you care to google |
| 07:18.31 | ma3x | Guerin, can you post your xorg conf somewhere? |
| 07:18.50 | Guerin | ma3x: well, there's nothing special about it |
| 07:18.53 | ma3x | cahoot, i googled yesterday it said psmouse is buggy |
| 07:18.57 | cast | g00se: no, i mean that your rule matches packets traversing the forward chain that have a source port of 80 and destination port of 81, they are accepted, thats not what you want |
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| 07:19.06 | cahoot | ma3x, there is a suggested solution |
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| 07:19.41 | ma3x | cahoot, can you post url to that link you found |
| 07:19.43 | cast | g00se: i'm not sure how to redirect port 80 traffic to 81, long since forgotten :) |
| 07:19.57 | g00se | cast: Yes - i see what you mean |
| 07:20.14 | dacs | how can i make mplayer as my default vedio player please |
| 07:20.16 | Guerin | ma3x: http://pastie.caboo.se/70352 |
| 07:20.32 | cast | g00se: http://erik.thauvin.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=72 hmm first google hit :D |
| 07:20.51 | g00se | cast: think i need bridge and multihoming maybe |
| 07:21.32 | Guerin | !flw |
| 07:21.32 | dpkg | i heard flw29 is <resiak> Starfury^: You _never_ need to reinstall a well-kept Debian system. |
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| 07:21.46 | cast | g00se: http://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter/2003-December/049145.html another, more detailed/specific |
| 07:22.22 | ma3x | let me try it |
| 07:22.26 | g00se | cast: Thanks |
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| 07:23.44 | stoned | !moron |
| 07:23.44 | dpkg | [moron] someone that types long lines starting with "dpkg", or a person whose brain needs to be on more |
| 07:24.45 | tralala | dpkg, what would make you say something like this? I mean that's not at all a nice thing to say! |
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| 07:25.00 | ma3x | how do i disable the screen blanking? |
| 07:25.03 | Guerin | tralala: not long enough |
| 07:25.14 | ma3x | when i watch a movie it blanks out after 5-10 mins that sucks |
| 07:25.28 | stoned | screensaver |
| 07:25.30 | tralala | Guerin, I ran out of nonsense quickly |
| 07:25.51 | tarzeau | ma3x: xset b off |
| 07:26.02 | tralala | ma3x, a good player takes care of this, so just use one |
| 07:26.06 | tarzeau | ma3x: err s |
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| 07:26.13 | tarzeau | ma3x: and check xset output for dpms too |
| 07:26.20 | ma3x | tralala, i use mplayer |
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| 07:26.29 | tarzeau | ma3x: don't bother, mplayer IS good |
| 07:26.31 | YGingras | anyone knows how to tell mrtg to only plot upbound stuff? |
| 07:26.48 | ma3x | tarzeau, what? xset s off? |
| 07:26.53 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes |
| 07:27.06 | ma3x | i already did b off. did i screw something |
| 07:27.13 | tarzeau | ma3x: turns of x screen blanking, also check the xset dpms force off |
| 07:27.19 | tralala | ma3x, the screen doesn't go blank with mplayer unless a bios messes it up - on a laptop for example |
| 07:27.24 | tarzeau | ma3x: no mabye you forgot the dpms |
| 07:27.39 | tarzeau | tralala: it wen't also of for mplayer os x for me |
| 07:27.49 | ma3x | tarzeau, i have dpms option in xorg should i remove it? |
| 07:28.36 | ma3x | tralala, well it does. i think that little tool klaptopdaemon messes it up |
| 07:28.40 | tarzeau | ma3x: i don't know, what does the dpms option exactly say in your xorg? |
| 07:28.51 | ma3x | it has options for blanking out, theyre turned off but still blanking it |
| 07:28.51 | tralala | ma3x, so you're on a laptop? |
| 07:29.27 | DGnome | cahoot: thanks a bunch, network-manager seems to do the job :) |
| 07:29.31 | ma3x | tarzeau, simply Option "DPMS" under monitor |
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| 07:29.35 | ma3x | tralala, yah |
| 07:30.04 | ma3x | tarzeau, should i run xset s off every time |
| 07:30.23 | tralala | ma3x, in this case fooling around with dpms won't help you. It's the laptop's bios that's turning the screen off (most likely). |
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| 07:30.42 | ma3x | so what do i do |
| 07:30.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: put it in .xsession ? |
| 07:31.05 | tarzeau | ma3x: and xset dpms force off |
| 07:31.30 | tarzeau | ma3x: oh remove it, it says it shall use DPMS |
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| 07:31.39 | tarzeau | ma3x: i don't use dpms, i turn it off when i don't need it |
| 07:31.43 | ma3x | is the mouse driver loading the module psmouse? |
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| 07:38.44 | liri | when installing sarge with expert26 on a 1u hp proliant dl server during the installation screens it says that no hard drives could be found... |
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| 07:39.30 | artagnon | I just screwed something up real badly: PAM. sudo: pam_authenticate: Authentication information cannot be recovered |
| 07:39.39 | artagnon | I can't even login! |
| 07:39.47 | euthyrox_lover | Good morning ! ;) |
| 07:40.30 | artagnon | how do I recover from this situation? I can't even call apt with root priviliges to reinstall anything |
| 07:40.39 | euthyrox_lover | artagnon dont worry, you got still Microsoft Windows in bookshelv ;> |
| 07:41.18 | euthyrox_lover | artagnon try to add new user |
| 07:41.25 | euthyrox_lover | and login |
| 07:41.29 | krazykit | artagnon, look up "single user mode", you should be allowed to log on as root and fix stuff that way |
| 07:41.36 | _agn_ | can i configure a virtual interface eth0:1 without having eth0:0 ? |
| 07:41.40 | _agn_ | or shoudl it be in order ? |
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| 07:42.14 | artagnon | krazykit: Okay, I'll give that kernel parameter and startup |
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| 07:42.22 | artagnon | krazykit: What should I be doing though? |
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| 07:42.53 | artagnon | euthyrox_lover: users exist |
| 07:43.23 | euthyrox_lover | artagnon now, try to login on new user to see if debian fix the mess |
| 07:43.33 | artagnon | euthyrox_lover: useradd: unable to lock password file |
| 07:43.45 | artagnon | euthyrox_lover: I can't create new users |
| 07:43.54 | Supaplex | artagnon: are you root, and is the filesystem read/write? |
| 07:44.06 | euthyrox_lover | artagnon Supaplex is asking |
| 07:44.10 | artagnon | Supaplex: no, I'm not root |
| 07:44.18 | liri | is it possible that sarge just doesn't detect the sata devices on that hp proliant server? |
| 07:44.24 | artagnon | Supaplex: system is read/write |
| 07:44.26 | liri | I remembered having that problem before |
| 07:44.37 | euthyrox_lover | artagnon what are the messages when you login as superuser ? |
| 07:44.42 | Supaplex | artagnon: try it as root. |
| 07:44.51 | azeem | liri: very possible, especially with the 2.4 kernel; why don't you use etch? |
| 07:44.53 | artagnon | ws login: root |
| 07:45.01 | artagnon | login Incorrect |
| 07:45.11 | artagnon | Supaplex: I can't login as root |
| 07:45.25 | liri | azeem: I'm booting with expert2.6 though (because it's a production system that we are basing on sarge) |
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| 07:45.47 | artagnon | euthyrox_lover: I can't log in at all. Only one user is logged on (a nonroot user) |
| 07:46.00 | Supaplex | artagnon: spare us the dialog, unless we ask. - anyway, is this system running anything outside of etch? eg, testing, unstable. what caused this? |
| 07:46.08 | azeem | liri: still very possible |
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| 07:46.38 | Supaplex | artagnon: is sudo installed, and if so, is it working? |
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| 07:46.54 | artagnon | Supaplex: You asked me to try to log in as root! No, I might have accidentally deleted something while working as root to set up my mailserver |
| 07:46.57 | Alarm | goodmorning, in which .kde subdirectory does the system store information about the pluguble devices to be mounted ? |
| 07:46.58 | artagnon | Supaplex: sudo doesn't work |
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| 07:47.12 | artagnon | sudo: pam_authenticate: Authentication information cannot be recovered |
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| 07:47.12 | euthyrox_lover | Alarm ;) |
| 07:47.22 | Alarm | hey euthyrox_lover :) |
| 07:47.57 | Supaplex | !single |
| 07:47.58 | dpkg | i heard single is 'single user mode' to boot for recovery/rescue. man init, or boot with "single" as a kernel option. Also, init=/bin/bash if init is very brain dead. (filesystems are usually readonly and shell has no job control. unmount and reboot with care) |
| 07:48.19 | artagnon | Supaplex: yeah, it's been suggested already. What do I do from the single user mode? |
| 07:48.23 | Supaplex | artagnon: try that, and inspect /etc/passwd /etc/shadow for damage. |
| 07:48.30 | artagnon | I won't have IRC then |
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| 07:49.55 | Supaplex | artagnon: you're system is crippled, so unless you want to keep it that way, you'll have to reboot into single mode. backups of those files are in /var/backups/ eg, group.bak gshadow.bak passwd.bak shadow.bak |
| 07:50.11 | Supaplex | baring any pam bugs/damage. |
| 07:50.27 | artagnon | Supaplex: Okay. I'll try to locate the backups and try to restore them |
| 07:50.35 | Alarm | !signatures |
| 07:50.35 | dpkg | well, signatures is echo 'APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated "yes";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 07:50.41 | artagnon | hopefully, I'll be back here thanking you |
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| 07:50.50 | Supaplex | artagnon: 1m |
| 07:50.59 | artagnon | Supaplex: Thanks for the assistance, bbl |
| 07:51.03 | ma3x | tarzeau are you still there |
| 07:51.03 | Supaplex | pwck will check the passwd file for sanity to. |
| 07:51.10 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes i am |
| 07:51.11 | artagnon | pwck, okay |
| 07:51.26 | artagnon | bbl |
| 07:51.42 | tarzeau | and i've got such a winner ascender nethack hero (two evenings of play, still alive, no amulets of life saving, the 3rd blessed magic lamp (unused)) |
| 07:52.04 | ma3x | tarzeau, would you happen to know this one: i manually set my clock, and after every midnight it sets itself 20 mins back. whtas causing that? i checked the daily.scripts and i cant think of anything. no ntp installed either |
| 07:52.19 | tarzeau | ma3x: very strange |
| 07:52.25 | tarzeau | ma3x: no dual boot? |
| 07:52.30 | ma3x | tarzeau, nope |
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| 07:52.37 | tarzeau | ma3x: 20 minutes every midnight is too much for a drift |
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| 07:52.55 | tarzeau | ma3x: no i haven't got any idea on that |
| 07:53.04 | tarzeau | !root |
| 07:53.04 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 07:53.13 | ma3x | tarzeau, yeah, and then if i type hwclock in console, it jumps forward |
| 07:53.56 | liable | whats the story with clamav these days? should I be using volatile? |
| 07:54.12 | tarzeau | liable: yes |
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| 07:54.12 | Alarm | ok lets set it that way. before reinstalling , i had a problem mounting my external usb hd . when i plug it in and turn it on , and try to enter in the partition i get: could not enter folder /media/win5 . i could only mount it with pmount /dev/sda1 . i did also add my user (alarm) to the plugdev group , and rebooted as well. |
| 07:54.12 | Alarm | in the fstab there was nothing listed about the /dev/sda1 device . |
| 07:54.12 | Alarm | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.19 | _andy | hi. Who can clarify a question? I'd like to know how to Debian store its package set? is it in CVS/SVN/etc or just file store or what? |
| 07:54.20 | tarzeau | liable: i prefer renattach over clamav though |
| 07:54.34 | tarzeau | _andy: file store |
| 07:54.38 | liable | tarzeau: hrm, havent heard of it, /me looks |
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| 07:54.47 | tarzeau | _andy: look at the mirrors, that are available by ftp/http and rsync |
| 07:54.56 | tarzeau | liable: very efficient |
| 07:55.19 | liable | tarzeau: no longer maintained? |
| 07:55.50 | Alarm | after reinstalling debian. and just restoring my .kde directory, withought trying to do anything with my hd. i thought of trying to mount my external drive again. and for some strange reason i got again the same error "could not enter folder /media/win5" although i didnt enter that , neither did i create a win5 dir. which means that some information is kept in the .kde dir , but dont know where |
| 07:56.08 | _andy | tarzeau, Hm... May be I ask incorrectly. The Fedora (f.e.) has its own CVS with packages. The buildsys takes cvs snapshot of the package and build it. How is that process look in the Debian? |
| 07:56.44 | azeem | _andy: Debian usually takes release tarballs and builds those |
| 07:57.24 | Supaplex | Alarm: find ~/.kde -type f -print0 2>/dev/null | xargs -0 grep -l /media/win5 |
| 07:57.38 | Supaplex | Alarm: that'll print filenames that contain that string. |
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| 07:57.55 | _andy | azeem, But how to pass the package by build system? The buildsys takes prebuild deb and try to rebuild it? |
| 07:58.07 | Alarm | okie |
| 07:58.18 | azeem | _andy: no, it takes source packages |
| 07:58.30 | Alarm | those two /home/alarm/.kde/share/config/mediamanagerrc |
| 07:58.30 | Alarm | /home/alarm/.kde/share/config/konq_history |
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| 07:58.44 | Alarm | should i remove them ,, and switch off/on my drive again and see whats happening ? |
| 07:58.50 | _andy | Ok. Where is the source package stored? |
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| 07:59.08 | _andy | Is it looks like CVS? |
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| 07:59.29 | azeem | _andy: debian developers upload new source packages of their packages |
| 08:00.11 | _andy | As I understand correctly the Debian does not have all story of the some package changes, isn't it? |
| 08:00.26 | azeem | I can't parse that, can you rephrase |
| 08:00.59 | Supaplex | full story, change log? |
| 08:01.26 | _andy | Sorry, I mean the Debian buildsys operates only with snapshot and hasn't all changes of the package within its life in some distro branch |
| 08:01.57 | azeem | _andy: right, but I doubt Fedora mirrors all development branches of their package upstream, either |
| 08:02.01 | Alarm | ok. now i did delete the mediamanagerrc file and when i turn on my drive and try to enter it, i get the error: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000 |
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| 08:02.19 | Alarm | i suppose i have to add my user in the plugdev group ? |
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| 08:03.09 | azeem | Alarm: yes |
| 08:03.10 | Supaplex | Alarm: what filesystem is being mounted? |
| 08:03.14 | Alarm | ntfs |
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| 08:03.58 | Alarm | ehmm the command would be 'adduser alarm plugdev' or any other flag needed ? |
| 08:04.13 | azeem | should be fine |
| 08:04.13 | Phlogi_ | Can I use a user specific or even better - browser specifc /etc/hosts |
| 08:04.26 | Supaplex | group vs user? |
| 08:04.43 | Alarm | The user `alarm' is already a member of `plugdev'. |
| 08:04.57 | Alarm | so i guess thats not it |
| 08:05.15 | _andy | azeem, I'm not meaning the distro as is. I try to imagine how to package live in the buildsys environment. Fedora has CVS where all packages are stored with full history of this package (from initial commit till the dead of it). |
| 08:06.09 | Supaplex | _andy: I know there's a changelog. /usr/share/doc/<foo>/ |
| 08:06.10 | omar | is there a way to install only 1 package from unstable onto a testing system? |
| 08:06.20 | Alarm | from what i see , kde didnt create the mediamanagerrc file again |
| 08:06.21 | Guerin | omar: not reliably |
| 08:06.22 | azeem | _andy: what is "the buildsys environment"? |
| 08:06.22 | omar | im experiencing breakage with libc6 |
| 08:06.24 | Supaplex | omar: pinning, or backports, or roll your own backport |
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| 08:06.36 | Guerin | omar: yes, that's normal. /msg dpkg backport |
| 08:07.10 | azeem | omar: testing has almost the same libc as unstable |
| 08:07.23 | azeem | omar: so just upgrade your libc as well |
| 08:07.25 | Alarm | thats how the mediamanagerrc file looked like: http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3498 |
| 08:07.40 | omar | i get an error when installing 2.5-9+b1 |
| 08:07.53 | azeem | well, paste it to a pastebin |
| 08:07.54 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 08:07.55 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 08:09.03 | _andy | azeem, sources (in common meaning) for the package building process. For Fedora they are CVS (with the pathset and addons) + file store (source tarballs) |
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| 08:09.40 | azeem | _andy: as I said Debian Developers upload source package; how they assemble those is undefined |
| 08:09.53 | azeem | _andy: many source packages are maintained at svn.debian.org, though |
| 08:10.14 | omar | when i do apt-get upgrade: http://paste.lisp.org/display/42756 |
| 08:10.28 | Guerin | omar: right; so don't. |
| 08:10.32 | _andy | azeem, Understand. But buildsys operates only with source deb. Is it right? |
| 08:10.40 | Guerin | omar: do you want testing, or unstable? |
| 08:10.44 | omar | i cant install any new packages |
| 08:10.45 | azeem | omar: testing needs a 2.6 kernel |
| 08:10.47 | omar | x is broken |
| 08:11.07 | Guerin | omar: uninstall the unstable package you tried to install |
| 08:11.07 | omar | oh wow, this machine is on 2.4 :X |
| 08:11.16 | azeem | right |
| 08:11.20 | omar | i havent done the unstable package yet |
| 08:11.20 | azeem | so upgrade your kernel first |
| 08:11.34 | azeem | this has nothing to do with unstable |
| 08:11.39 | omar | yea, i'll do that |
| 08:11.41 | omar | brb |
| 08:11.48 | azeem | it's not that easy |
| 08:11.48 | _andy | azeem, thanks |
| 08:11.58 | azeem | omar: add "stable" to your sources.list and install the etch 2.6 kernel first |
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| 08:12.15 | azeem | then upgrade libc6 and install whatever 2.6 kernel you like |
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| 08:14.08 | omar | sounds good |
| 08:14.22 | michael____ | helloo guys i have a question ...the find files utiliy app on linux how come it don't work...i tried to use it to find some files and nothin..anyone know the cause of that or know how to config it? |
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| 08:14.56 | azeem | michael____: which one are you talking about in particular? The `find' command? |
| 08:15.23 | michael____ | no not the find command |
| 08:15.37 | omar | locate ? |
| 08:15.37 | michael____ | Find Files/Folder |
| 08:15.41 | cahoot | locate? |
| 08:15.50 | azeem | michael____: which desktop environment? |
| 08:15.54 | michael____ | kde |
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| 08:16.36 | michael____ | ah it name |
| 08:16.37 | michael____ | kfind |
| 08:16.54 | azeem | michael____: did you read its help (if there is some)= |
| 08:16.55 | azeem | ? |
| 08:17.11 | michael____ | yeah i did and still nothin |
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| 08:17.28 | abchirk | Can anyone tell me where I can find this lib? => libfftw3f.so.3 |
| 08:17.34 | abchirk | In which pkg? |
| 08:17.46 | cast | use apt-file |
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| 08:18.23 | abchirk | Hast aptitude an option for that? |
| 08:18.24 | michael____ | and actually i have tried like five other different distro of linux and for some funny reason i have never got that damn thing to work |
| 08:18.26 | abchirk | -t |
| 08:18.42 | user1_ | michael____, what thing? |
| 08:18.46 | michael____ | kfind |
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| 08:19.10 | tarzeau | liable: packages.d.o/renattach it's all there? |
| 08:20.22 | larsl | How do I build the nvidia-kernel-legacy module using module-assistant? |
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| 08:21.15 | liable | tarzeau: the authors page says it hasnt been maintained since last year and to use something else.. http://www.pc-tools.net/unix/renattach/ |
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| 08:21.29 | user1_ | how do i install mod perl for apache2? |
| 08:21.29 | tarzeau | liable: i use it, it works. it's nice (for me :) |
| 08:22.18 | tarzeau | liable: free software often falls into an unmaintained case, and then someone picks it up again |
| 08:22.36 | tarzeau | liable: also happesn to non-free software, just that nobody can pick it up again , there |
| 08:23.08 | liable | tarzeau: yup, I will stick with clamav for now seeing as i just spent a day setting up mail server ;) |
| 08:23.17 | liable | tarzeau: noted though, thanks |
| 08:23.46 | tarzeau | liable: postfix? |
| 08:23.53 | liable | yep |
| 08:24.45 | liable | i think i would have killed myself by now if it was exim ;) |
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| 08:24.54 | tarzeau | liable: heh |
| 08:25.40 | user1_ | our mail servers are exim |
| 08:25.47 | user1_ | and there's no good documentation about exim at all |
| 08:26.06 | liable | its config files are for the clinically insane |
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| 08:26.36 | tarzeau | user1_: there's #exim :) 3.x or 4.x? |
| 08:26.39 | RainbowW | So, where do I go with this one: php5-curl: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.0-10) but 5.2.0-10+lenny1 is to be installed |
| 08:26.44 | tarzeau | liable: only the 4.x ones :) |
| 08:26.45 | user1_ | 4 |
| 08:26.56 | larsl | I need to change a line of code in the nvidia-kernel-legacy source, but whenever I change it in /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy and run 'm-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy' it overwrites it with the old code and tries to build that again. Where is the actual source that I should edit? |
| 08:26.57 | liable | oh, yeah, good luck getting answers in #exim |
| 08:27.05 | user1_ | but exim is quite reliable |
| 08:27.22 | liable | i remember the DD saying that if you dont understand its configs, you shouldnt be running an mta |
| 08:27.38 | tarzeau | user1_: any smtp system is supposed to be reliable :) |
| 08:27.43 | RainbowW | most mtas are incomprehensible anyway. :-) |
| 08:27.48 | tarzeau | liable: they're right |
| 08:28.07 | user1_ | postfix is easiest to config, along with virtual mail box |
| 08:28.12 | liable | mail is incredibly hard considering how simple it seems to the end user |
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| 08:28.45 | user1_ | mail is the hardest part |
| 08:28.51 | user1_ | it includes everything |
| 08:29.01 | RainbowW | actually no. mail is easy. GOOD mail is hard. |
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| 08:29.40 | fengor | which reminds me" have to secure a mailserver of a friend when i'm back from holiday :( |
| 08:29.46 | user1_ | good mail require anti spam, anti virus, virtual host, sql authentication, list can go on |
| 08:29.50 | Alarm | is a avahi-deamon needed on a computer that isnt used as server ? |
| 08:29.56 | Muisje | Why would debian shutdown at start? |
| 08:30.00 | liable | fengor: thats got to be worth a *lot* of beer |
| 08:30.06 | omar | quick question, can i revert a testing system to a stable system ? |
| 08:30.08 | Muisje | It's shutting itself down for some reason, and i can't see whats on screen because it shutdowns way too fast |
| 08:30.15 | RainbowW | Alarm: depends. if you're running KDE, generally you'll want it. |
| 08:30.17 | larsl | Where are the actual sources for module-assistant packages kept? |
| 08:30.18 | fengor | liable: i dont drink beer, but im looking forward to lots of guarana in return ;p |
| 08:30.22 | liable | omar: unfortunately, no |
| 08:30.24 | Alarm | yes, i run kde |
| 08:30.27 | RainbowW | omar: no. |
| 08:30.31 | streuner | omar: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 08:30.31 | omar | ty |
| 08:30.44 | RainbowW | Alarm: Something KDE is using is requiring it. |
| 08:30.51 | liable | fengor: wash your mouth out! (preferably with beer) ;) |
| 08:30.52 | Alarm | okie :) i will leave it then |
| 08:31.11 | fengor | liable: why do all ppl react like that when i say that i dont like beer? ;p |
| 08:31.15 | RainbowW | Alarm: daemons do not always imply network services. A daemon is simply anything that runs continuously and provides services of some sort. |
| 08:31.29 | Alarm | okie got it :) |
| 08:31.36 | liable | fengor: beer is the nectar of the gods, thats why ;) |
| 08:32.00 | RainbowW | liable: you've obviously never had Ba Mui Ba. |
| 08:32.16 | liable | i cant even pronounce it |
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| 08:32.57 | Alarm | any suggestions about the "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000 " error . or the mediamanagerrc file http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3498 |
| 08:33.03 | RainbowW | it's a Vietnamese beer that will put hair on your teeth. |
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| 08:34.47 | liable | RainbowW: i wake up with hair on my teeth every morning ;) |
| 08:35.05 | RainbowW | any suggestions on my php5-curl problem? php5-curl: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.0-10) but 5.2.0-10+lenny1 is to be installed |
| 08:35.52 | liable | artagnon: log out from root for irc |
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| 08:36.21 | RainbowW | liable: let him be a dumbass. :-) |
| 08:36.30 | azeem | RainbowW: shutup |
| 08:36.38 | liable | RainbowW: he prolly doesnt realise |
| 08:36.39 | azeem | RainbowW: or read scrollback, his system is broken |
| 08:36.53 | azeem | liable: he contacted me |
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| 08:37.31 | RainbowW | azeem: 1) Read your own damned scrollback, he hasn't said word one since I arrived. 2) Get a funnybone and learn some humor. 3) If I had a dick, this is where I'd tell you to suck it. |
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| 08:38.07 | spheard | :-o |
| 08:38.07 | azeem | RainbowW: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for off-limits language |
| 08:38.07 | azeem | now |
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| 08:38.39 | spheard | is there a cli html viewer? |
| 08:38.42 | *** mode/#debian [+e *!*@59.92.53.9] by azeem |
| 08:38.44 | larsl | Where are the actual sources for module-assistant packages kept? |
| 08:38.45 | tarzeau | spheard: links2 ? |
| 08:38.47 | azeem | artagnon: can you talk now? |
| 08:38.52 | tarzeau | larsl: /usr/src ? |
| 08:38.55 | fengor | liable: thanks but ill stick to whiskey isntead of beer ;p |
| 08:38.55 | artagnon | I'll try |
| 08:38.58 | azeem | ok. |
| 08:38.59 | artagnon | looks like it |
| 08:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 08:39.04 | artagnon | azeem: Thanks |
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| 08:39.22 | artagnon | Okay, my PAM is broken and I'm logged in single user mode |
| 08:39.30 | Muisje | Why would debian etch shutdown itself before even getting to shell? |
| 08:39.36 | artagnon | I can't login on any other runlevel |
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| 08:39.50 | liable | artagnon: what exactly did you do to pam whilst configuring your email? |
| 08:39.51 | artagnon | When I type the login, it doesn't ask me for a password |
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| 08:40.18 | spheard | tarzeau: sounds good cheers |
| 08:40.21 | larsl | tarzeau: Is there any way to prevent 'm-a build' from unpacking the tarball with the source before it builds, and use the already unpacked and edited version instead? |
| 08:40.23 | RainbowW | Ban evasion is easy, azeem. Get a life. |
| 08:40.30 | Alarm | really, i see many people the last few days complaining about the xserver upgrade and nvidia , that somehow breaks something on the system and xserver doesnt load anymore. whats the solution finally in that ? |
| 08:40.34 | artagnon | liable: I'm sorry, I really can't remember very clearly. I wanted accounts corresponding to user accounts |
| 08:40.47 | row | Whats the best way to compare two directories (binary files in them) to check their contents are a exact match? |
| 08:40.47 | artagnon | I think I accidentally deleted some important files |
| 08:40.52 | artagnon | since I was working as root |
| 08:40.57 | tarzeau | larsl: dunno, put your changed thing into a tarball instead? |
| 08:41.00 | artagnon | and installing and uninstalling constantly |
| 08:41.04 | row | without comparing hashes myself or writting a script to do it, which could be done I suppose not too complex |
| 08:41.06 | liable | artagnon: haha, what editor did you use? |
| 08:41.08 | spheard | tarzeau: this is better than firefox |
| 08:41.09 | tralala | azeem, that'll teach you... |
| 08:41.14 | artagnon | liable: vim, why? |
| 08:41.19 | artagnon | how does that help? |
| 08:41.20 | tarzeau | spheard: i know, i agree. tried with -g yet ? :) |
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| 08:41.41 | liable | artagnon: because i wondered if you used something that makes backups, and vim doesnt.. |
| 08:41.53 | tarzeau | spheard: it doesn't crash on http://links.twibright.com/project.html like firefox |
| 08:41.54 | artagnon | oh shit |
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| 08:42.08 | azeem | tralala: I'm helping him on oftc |
| 08:42.09 | spheard | tarzeau: no, didnt even start |
| 08:42.12 | Muisje | eth0 pci bus error :/ |
| 08:42.17 | Muisje | switches slot |
| 08:42.19 | artagnon | I was wondering if something else is possible: I need to reinstall some important packages |
| 08:42.28 | tarzeau | spheard: what version of it? mozilla.org one or debian iceweasel? |
| 08:42.33 | artagnon | liable: I don't think there is any problem with /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow |
| 08:42.52 | artagnon | liable: The problem might just lie with some missing package files |
| 08:42.53 | tralala | azeem, I meant that: "11:40 < RainbowW> Ban evasion is easy, azeem. Get a life." |
| 08:43.08 | azeem | 10:40 < azeem> RainbowW: run apt-cache policy on those |
| 08:43.10 | azeem | I meant this |
| 08:43.33 | Muisje | OMG |
| 08:43.33 | liable | artagnon: try dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/blah/libpam-runtime<version> |
| 08:43.33 | spheard | tarzeau: dunno, but its running on sparc over ssh "Could not initialize any graphics driver. Tried the following drivers:" |
| 08:43.33 | azeem | I wonder what this will teach *him* |
| 08:43.38 | tralala | so he fled from here only to ask for help on oftc?! |
| 08:43.40 | Muisje | my fingers just triggered a magic packet rofl |
| 08:43.45 | artagnon | liable: Okay, one sec |
| 08:43.47 | azeem | tralala: sure |
| 08:43.51 | tralala | heh :) |
| 08:43.56 | Muisje | i was removing the network card, but i didn't pulled out power |
| 08:43.58 | liri | brb |
| 08:44.01 | Muisje | So for some reason it booted up :/ |
| 08:44.07 | tarzeau | spheard: oh, without X i guess |
| 08:44.07 | artagnon | liable: /var/cache/ what?? |
| 08:44.20 | spheard | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:44.24 | liable | artagnon: archives, it should be in your apt archives |
| 08:44.31 | spheard | tarzeau: Im keeping it raw |
| 08:44.36 | tarzeau | spheard: it should work in framebuffer mode, are you root? |
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| 08:44.39 | artagnon | liable: okay |
| 08:44.46 | spheard | tarzeau: yes |
| 08:44.50 | tarzeau | spheard: and which drivers did it suggest? |
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| 08:44.58 | tarzeau | spheard: it didn't find any? |
| 08:45.10 | tarzeau | spheard: can you tell me which version you have, dpkg -l links2 ? |
| 08:45.20 | liable | artagnon: you must be insane removing pam files btw :P |
| 08:45.35 | spheard | tarzeau: http://rafb.net/p/8iKTtK23.html |
| 08:45.37 | tarzeau | liable: sometimes you don't need it (autologged in kiosk modes?) |
| 08:45.56 | liable | tarzeau: shutup |
| 08:46.00 | liable | :P |
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| 08:46.13 | artagnon | liable: I know. Okay, done that. I'm a little slow without even multiple VTs |
| 08:46.20 | artagnon | liable: anything else I need? |
| 08:46.23 | Muisje | Apparently NIC cards are affected by magic fingers :p |
| 08:46.29 | tarzeau | spheard: FRAMEBUFFER=fbdev links2 -g Bv9ARM.ch01.html ? |
| 08:46.36 | tarzeau | spheard: and tell me dpkg -l links2 please |
| 08:46.38 | artagnon | liable: oh wait, I already did a apt-get install --reinstall for that one |
| 08:46.46 | spheard | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.00 | liable | artagnon: a reinstall wont put back the missing files |
| 08:47.00 | tarzeau | spheard: oh this is some old version, but framebuffer should work |
| 08:47.12 | artagnon | liable: Okay, I think that was my mistake |
| 08:47.16 | tarzeau | spheard: it's trying to use X, set the FRAMEBUFFER thing like it says |
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| 08:47.36 | tarzeau | spheard: wait you don't have those files... ls -la /dev/*/fb* says something? |
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| 08:47.54 | liable | artagnon: try non-single mode, see if it lets you log in, if not, make a new user and try again |
| 08:47.55 | artagnon | liable: what about libpam0, libpam-ldap and libpam-modules |
| 08:48.12 | liable | artagnon: you deleted those as well? |
| 08:48.15 | spheard | ls: /dev/*/fb*: No such file or directory |
| 08:48.16 | user1_ | where are all the perl modules |
| 08:48.17 | tarzeau | spheard: i'm using it with x and svgalib only |
| 08:48.18 | artagnon | liable: I dunno! |
| 08:48.28 | tarzeau | spheard: and ls /dev/fb* ? |
| 08:48.34 | artagnon | liable: I'll just reinstall with the confmiss like you told me just in case |
| 08:48.36 | liable | artagnon: dude, step away from the box! :P |
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| 08:48.44 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@adsl-68-94-14-146.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] by azeem |
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| 08:48.51 | liable | artagnon: shouldnt be needed, libpam is what owns the conf files |
| 08:48.58 | spheard | tarzeau: nope |
| 08:49.07 | artagnon | okay, I'll try switching runlevels and get back if needed |
| 08:49.08 | tarzeau | spheard: dunno then |
| 08:49.23 | spheard | tarzeau: nm, thanks tho :-) |
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| 08:49.53 | artagnon | azeem: I'll be going off now. Let me thank you for everything first. Thanks a lot :) ... and what if I want to get back if the problem isn't solved? Will I still be able to speak on the channel? |
| 08:50.06 | azeem | artagnon: not if you IP changed |
| 08:50.30 | artagnon | azeem: It won't |
| 08:50.45 | artagnon | azeem: anyway, thanks a bunch. I'll be seeing you |
| 08:50.50 | azeem | cheers |
| 08:50.54 | artagnon | liable: I'll just get back after a reboot |
| 08:51.08 | liable | gl |
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| 08:52.08 | Muisje | What are the fastests download servers? |
| 08:52.12 | Muisje | for apt-get |
| 08:52.19 | tarzeau | Muisje: the ones in the same gbit network? |
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| 08:52.25 | spheard | tarzeau: just got it going on my laptop, |
| 08:52.27 | Muisje | There are none |
| 08:52.33 | Muisje | Since my server doesn't has a gbit network |
| 08:52.34 | tarzeau | Muisje: if your disks are no bottle necks :) 100megabyte/s |
| 08:52.48 | tarzeau | Muisje: 100mbit? 10mbit? |
| 08:52.54 | Muisje | 20 |
| 08:52.57 | spheard | tarzeau: mmmmmmm, unstyled content |
| 08:52.58 | tarzeau | Muisje: what country? |
| 08:53.02 | Muisje | netherlands |
| 08:53.09 | tarzeau | Muisje: i'd use the official nl server then |
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| 08:53.13 | tarzeau | Muisje: it's very good |
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| 08:53.21 | Muisje | but it's only giving me 38 kbps |
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| 08:53.38 | Muisje | it could easily be 1,3 megabyte per sec |
| 08:53.53 | somian[0] | Muisje: then run netselect-apt |
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| 08:54.00 | Muisje | ok |
| 08:54.04 | tarzeau | Muisje: dunno, i use the swiss mirror which is the same network as me at work times :) |
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| 08:54.18 | larsl | Why would xorg say "failed to load module 'nvidia'" after the latest xorg updates in Lenny? |
| 08:54.27 | artagnon | liable: :) I'm not root no more |
| 08:54.42 | artagnon | liable: Just came back to thanks you. Everything's fine now |
| 08:54.45 | liable | artagnon: you can login? sweet |
| 08:54.52 | larsl | I have nvidia_drv.o in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers. All other drivers are .so files though. |
| 08:54.54 | Muisje | http://mirrors.geekbone.org/debian/ |
| 08:54.57 | redlob | morning folks... is anyone running 2.6 kernel on a AMD K6? and which kernel-image do you use ? |
| 08:54.58 | Muisje | thats the fastest one |
| 08:55.02 | Muisje | according to netselect-apt |
| 08:55.16 | liable | artagnon: next time, write down what you do |
| 08:55.19 | artagnon | azeem: You can remove that rule on my IP now, I can now login |
| 08:55.25 | artagnon | liable: sure :) |
| 08:55.36 | artagnon | liable: which editor creates backups of files? |
| 08:55.43 | spheard | redlob, I heard, somewhere it wasnt supported anymore |
| 08:55.47 | liable | artagnon: the shitty gui ones ;) |
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| 08:55.59 | liable | artagnon: which wont help if you use rm anyway |
| 08:55.59 | artagnon | oh, :P |
| 08:56.14 | redlob | spheard: really ? oh oh |
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| 08:56.20 | floppypond | quick question :) I just compiled apache, how do I get it to run at boot? |
| 08:56.29 | floppypond | I kinda wanna add it to /etc/init.d/ |
| 08:56.34 | floppypond | if possible |
| 08:56.35 | liable | floppypond: why compile it? |
| 08:56.39 | Shadur | It lists two possible examples, both of which are useless to me. |
| 08:56.39 | spheard | redlob: maybe you'll have to go back to an earlier kernel |
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| 08:56.52 | floppypond | liable, I wanted a very custom install ;) |
| 08:57.01 | redlob | spheard: so it it possible to use a 2.4 kernel with etch? |
| 08:57.06 | artagnon | well, there seems to be one small problem immediately: I can't seem to run screen |
| 08:57.09 | artagnon | [14:26]~: screen |
| 08:57.11 | liable | floppypond: it doesnt come with an init script? |
| 08:57.12 | artagnon | getpwuid() can't identify your account! |
| 08:57.26 | Muisje | ow i see |
| 08:57.31 | Muisje | it's downloading from security |
| 08:57.31 | floppypond | liable, not as far as I can tell |
| 08:57.43 | Muisje | no wonder its so slow |
| 08:57.45 | floppypond | the docs say to add a call to apachectl2 to rc.local or something similar |
| 08:58.02 | floppypond | but bind and everything else is in init.d |
| 08:58.12 | liable | floppypond: from etch onwards theres an /etc/rc.local file you can add it to |
| 08:58.27 | spheard | redlob: dont know for definite |
| 08:58.31 | liable | floppypond: or you can get a debian init script and modify the path |
| 08:58.37 | floppypond | that would be nice |
| 08:58.43 | floppypond | I'd like to have an easy way to restart it |
| 08:58.47 | spheard | redlob: but I think so |
| 08:58.48 | artagnon | floppypond: when you find you want to start a program without an initscript, call it from rc.local or use inetd to run it |
| 08:58.56 | floppypond | and I used the debian layout so it's in a stupid place |
| 08:59.00 | Enverex | hrm, I didn't realise how unusable Sid was. I keep trying to install things but get errors that "Depends on blah, but is not installable" |
| 08:59.05 | artagnon | floppypond: inetd then |
| 08:59.11 | redlob | spheard: thanks, I'll do some more googeling and try it out :) |
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| 08:59.22 | floppypond | artagnon, how exactly would I go about that? |
| 08:59.28 | xand | not sure you want to run apache using inetd |
| 08:59.30 | somian[0] | artagnon: Vim produces backups automatically if you tell it to in .vimrc |
| 08:59.46 | liable | Enverex: its usually fixed quickly, but if your imatient, sids not for you |
| 08:59.54 | floppypond | I ran apache with init.d scripts on an old server |
| 08:59.56 | somian[0] | liable: true |
| 08:59.58 | artagnon | floppypond: man inetd |
| 08:59.59 | floppypond | it was handy |
| 09:00.02 | floppypond | ok |
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| 09:00.14 | Enverex | liable, The ones I've found seem to linger, heh |
| 09:00.15 | artagnon | somian[0]: Ah, I see. I'll do that then. Thanks |
| 09:00.29 | liable | Enverex: you filed bugs? |
| 09:01.12 | somian[0] | artagnon: Do :he directory in Vim (IIRC) for a start on how to set up backups |
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| 09:01.19 | Enverex | liable, I have to admit no, but thats normally because it's in common packages that I thought someone would have already known |
| 09:01.57 | artagnon | somian[0]: Okay, thanks again |
| 09:02.05 | liable | Enverex: do your fellow sid users a favour and report them ;) (after checking bts of course) |
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| 09:06.15 | hiyah | Hi, anyone knows why after i type shutdown now , i will get into a screen where it says press Ctrl-D for maintence , instead of powering off? |
| 09:07.09 | simonrvn | because you told it to go to init 1. you want -r for reboot or -h for halt |
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| 09:07.29 | hiyah | oh |
| 09:07.37 | hiyah | if i want it to power off i will have to -h ? |
| 09:07.44 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:07.59 | simonrvn | man shutdown |
| 09:08.07 | floppypond | ok, apache thing settled, just symlinked it to /etc/init.d/httpd :) |
| 09:08.11 | floppypond | thanks for the help :) |
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| 09:08.32 | user1_ | just type halt |
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| 09:08.47 | hiyah | ok thanks |
| 09:08.54 | floppypond | I got one more question, I'm on etch, and everytime I ssh, I get this motd about gnu blah blach free software etc, I put something else in /etc/motd but it came back after a reboot |
| 09:09.00 | floppypond | I want to get rid of that |
| 09:09.07 | larsl | nvidia-glx-legacy contains no nvidia_drv.so, just a nvidia_drv.o - does that mean that it won't work with the latest xorg? |
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| 09:12.11 | hark | larsl: check the bts |
| 09:12.47 | Enverex | bts = bug tracker site? |
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| 09:13.20 | hark | !bts |
| 09:13.21 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 09:13.58 | hark | !dbugs 421208 |
| 09:14.01 | dpkg | #421208:I[gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg] gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg: crashes on startup; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:00:01 UTC |
| 09:14.31 | hark | !dbugs 421028 |
| 09:14.35 | dpkg | #421028:I[nvidia-glx-legacy] nvidia-glx-legacy: doesn't include nvidia_drv.so, which makes the driver unloadable by X; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:27:01 UTC |
| 09:14.38 | hark | there :) |
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| 09:15.15 | Muisje | Thats better |
| 09:15.23 | Muisje | downloading at 1,5 megabyte ps |
| 09:15.45 | larsl | hark: Thanks. |
| 09:15.53 | larsl | Weird that it hasn't been fixed in 49 days. |
| 09:16.28 | Enverex | Does anyone here use Adept? When I run it it says it can't open the Apt database and then closes itself :( |
| 09:17.18 | hark | Enverex: is it run as root? |
| 09:17.37 | Enverex | hark, Yes |
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| 09:19.28 | niklas | hello.. i have install debian on parallels.. when i have complie my kernel.. and reboot.. it loading kernel succeful.. but it sshutdown.. when the text will show.. for booting up.. |
| 09:19.51 | hark | Enverex: can you run apt-get or aptitude? |
| 09:20.31 | somian[0] | Enverex: I'd like to run Adept but it seems it won't run using gtksu ;-) (and I am too lazy to run it from the cli) |
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| 09:21.16 | Enverex | hark, Yeah, all the others are fine, it's just adept... |
| 09:21.27 | somian[0] | niklas: ".." means "I don't really know how to ask what i need to know" ? :-) |
| 09:21.28 | Enverex | somian[0], Doesn't work with kdesu or su either |
| 09:21.51 | somian[0] | Enverex: _really_ ... HUH. Good to know. I feel better. |
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| 09:22.14 | Enverex | somian[0], No I mean on my machine it doesn't run using anything |
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| 09:22.55 | niklas | somian[0]: i have complie my kernel.. when i reboot and loading my kernel. i see the text loading kernel succeful.. after that the virtual machine turns off |
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| 09:23.01 | Enverex | Damn I wish someone would package UADE and E-UAE :( |
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| 09:23.20 | hark | Enverex: what version of adept? |
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| 09:23.40 | hark | oh nm |
| 09:23.52 | Enverex | hark, 2.1 Cruiser |
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| 09:24.58 | hark | no i just saw an old bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359065 |
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| 09:25.53 | Enverex | I wonder why Synaptic doesn't appear in the KDE menu... |
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| 09:27.04 | larsl | I managed to get nvidia-glx-legacy to work by running 'gcc -shared nvidia_drv.o -o nvidia_drv.so', but now xorg refuses to show any resolution other than 800x600, although the only mode I have in xorg.conf is 1280x1024. |
| 09:27.10 | larsl | Any idea what's wrong with that? |
| 09:27.33 | larsl | The refresh rate is very low too. |
| 09:27.40 | Enverex | larsl, Is XOrg even using the nVidia driver? |
| 09:27.49 | larsl | Enverex: Yes, I can run GL programs. |
| 09:27.50 | somian[0] | larsl: Perhaps the xorg.conf has a syntax error |
| 09:28.26 | larsl | somian[0]: Wouldn't xorg reject the whole file then? |
| 09:28.36 | larsl | It does load the glx extension and the nvidia driver. |
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| 09:28.54 | somian[0] | I don't recall what its behavior would be. |
| 09:29.12 | somian[0] | Check your xorg.log anyway, that's the very best thing to do |
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| 09:30.32 | Enverex | larsl, What refresh rate is it running at? Don't trust xrandr with the nVidia drives, check the readout on your monitor |
| 09:30.59 | larsl | 60 Hz |
| 09:31.38 | larsl | Really headache-inducing. |
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| 09:32.02 | Enverex | heh, I keep forgetting anyone uses CRTs anymore |
| 09:32.24 | larsl | OK, the log says "(II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range)" |
| 09:32.49 | Alarm | i only use crt :) |
| 09:32.52 | larsl | For lots and lots of modes. |
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| 09:33.20 | larsl | Or "vrefresh out of range" for some. |
| 09:33.27 | somian[0] | Check the entry for the Horiz and Vert Sync in the xorg.conf then, Enverex ... |
| 09:33.31 | Enverex | larsl, Do you have a VSync or HFreq in your monitor section of XOrg? |
| 09:33.46 | Enverex | somian[0], It's not me with the problem :P |
| 09:34.24 | somian[0] | Enverex: I had the same trouble with the Xorg that shipped with stable when i installed it ... it did not detect my monitor's params correctly |
| 09:34.24 | larsl | Enverex: No, only "Identifier "SAMTRON 95P+"" and "Option "DPMS"" |
| 09:34.49 | somian[0] | Yup, s/Enverex/larsl/ |
| 09:34.57 | Enverex | larsl, Odd, is it an old monitor or gfx card? |
| 09:35.09 | larsl | The weird thing is that it worked yesterday before I updated some Xorg packages. |
| 09:35.17 | larsl | Enverex: GeForce 2MX. |
| 09:35.30 | larsl | The monitor is couple of years old too. |
| 09:35.31 | somian[0] | I got out my printout of the specs for my monitor and input them manually to fix it when it happened to me. |
| 09:35.37 | Alarm | hehe again that xorg package , that upgrade really brought many people in here :) |
| 09:35.51 | somian[0] | Alarm: I can believe it. |
| 09:35.59 | larsl | Alarm: Any general solution? |
| 09:36.10 | spheard | wow 0'Reilly |
| 09:36.14 | larsl | Alarm: Did it drop support for older drivers or something? |
| 09:36.25 | Alarm | not really i am also here for support |
| 09:37.34 | Alarm | Enverex, the problem is the resolution on ur crt monitor ? |
| 09:37.35 | Muisje | is ISPconfig apt-get able? |
| 09:37.56 | Alarm | u cant find the prober resolution or horizsync and vertrefresh |
| 09:37.58 | somian[0] | larsl: if you cannot find the specs for your monitor but you believe that it can be successfully queried by Xorg otherwise, then boot with an Ubuntu livecd (or Knoppix, or other) and get the specs from the xorg.conf that it creates. |
| 09:38.10 | Enverex | liable, I just looked up another case of an app needed an unavailable package like this and it was closed immediately with them saying "There's nothing we can do other than wait" |
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| 09:38.27 | Enverex | Alarm, ... what? No, it's not me with the problem |
| 09:38.34 | Alarm | ohh sorry |
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| 09:39.03 | liable | Enverex: not xfce related is it? |
| 09:39.29 | Alarm | larsl, did u try to reconfigure xserver ? |
| 09:39.36 | N0body | gonna go now, cya |
| 09:39.46 | Enverex | liable, Erm, not that I'm aware of. Actually this was when Audacious itself wouldn't install because Audacious-Plugins was missing |
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| 09:40.13 | larsl | Alarm: Not yet. |
| 09:40.28 | Alarm | larsl, its a 19" crt ? |
| 09:40.33 | larsl | Alarm: Yes. |
| 09:40.55 | larsl | I wish I could just chuck it out the window, but I can't afford a decent LCD screen just yet. |
| 09:40.55 | Alarm | try that (back up before) |
| 09:41.04 | liable | Enverex: i have seen similar bugs, and it annoys the shit out of me that they include a package that has depends that arent satusfiable in sid. but thats sid i guess, but i still think its not right |
| 09:41.11 | Alarm | HorizSync 28-49 , VertRefresh 43-72 |
| 09:41.23 | liable | Enverex: when the new package could just be held seeing as its not usuable anyway |
| 09:41.26 | Muisje | Server (85.146.50.202) HTTP (Port 80) UP at Jun 14 2007 10:40 AM (GMT +1:00) Was down for: 4day 20hr 00min |
| 09:41.27 | Muisje | awww |
| 09:41.28 | Enverex | liable, I'm guessing if I file I'll just be told to wait. That's three packages now I can't install. |
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| 09:41.32 | Muisje | i should've waited 4 more hours |
| 09:41.43 | flixil | hi |
| 09:41.54 | somian[0] | flixil: lo |
| 09:41.55 | niklas | i got kernel panic.. append correct root... |
| 09:41.57 | liable | Enverex: file anyway |
| 09:42.03 | larsl | Aha, found a spec sheet: http://www.samtron.com/product/95p_spec.html |
| 09:42.03 | Alarm | and if u got depth 24 , add this Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 09:42.10 | flixil | somian[0]: lo? |
| 09:42.12 | niklas | and i have root = /dev/hda1 in my lilo.conf and that is right.. any ide.. whats wrong? |
| 09:42.29 | Muisje | niklas slap your kernel, and if that does not work, consider reinstalling or be a bit more specific |
| 09:42.29 | Alarm | larsl, there are also some calculaters on line for those refresh rates and everything u will need to calculate |
| 09:42.32 | larsl | Do I just need to add those horizontal and vertical frequency values to the monitor section in xorg.conf? |
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| 09:42.55 | Alarm | larsl, yes. thats where the resolution settings are being stored |
| 09:42.57 | somian[0] | larsl: that's what were basically telling you |
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| 09:43.06 | somian[0] | s/were/we're/ |
| 09:43.19 | marinosi | hello..I want to install debian etch to a server with software raid..HOw can I do this?I setup the software raid after the installation?Any guide?thank you |
| 09:43.20 | Muisje | block/s/replace/with |
| 09:43.29 | unknow990 | anyone that know RT? |
| 09:43.30 | Alarm | but as said, make a backup before of the xorg.conf file |
| 09:44.03 | Alarm | or trying reconfiguring xserver |
| 09:44.14 | metbsd | rt3? |
| 09:45.07 | marinosi | the software raid is done after the installation? |
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| 09:45.50 | larsl | OK, testing... |
| 09:45.56 | Enverex | liable, How do I search by bug title? I only seem to be able to search by package, source package, maintainer, etc |
| 09:46.35 | luca____ | hello:) |
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| 09:47.02 | darren | I have a bunch of users using scp to transfer files into shared directory (or subdirectory). Running into permission issues where groups are set wrong or users are uploading using 600 permissions. Is the stiicky bit what I need here? |
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| 09:47.31 | liable | Enverex: searching by bug title wouldnt really be smart, as one could describe the bug many ways |
| 09:47.32 | unknow990 | anyone that know how easy it is to upgrade RT (request tracker) ? |
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| 09:48.06 | liable | Enverex: just use reportbug and read the open bugs it reports |
| 09:48.10 | larsl | Success! Thanks a lot. |
| 09:48.26 | liable | and add to the one you think is relevent if it exists |
| 09:48.55 | Alarm | larsl, what was it ? |
| 09:48.55 | Enverex | liable, ... wow... this is like... bug reporting in the 80s... |
| 09:48.57 | Enverex | :/ |
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| 09:49.20 | liable | Enverex: yes, they are gonna work on the bts apparently |
| 09:49.21 | chemaja1 | lol, from iptables(8): "pid, sid and command matching are broken on SMP" |
| 09:49.34 | liable | Enverex: code of summer project iirc |
| 09:49.40 | chemaja1 | nice of them to say though |
| 09:49.43 | larsl | Alarm: I just added the lines "HorizSync 30.0-96.0" and "VertRefresh 50.0-160.0" in the "Monitor" section of my xorg.conf. |
| 09:50.02 | Alarm | great |
| 09:50.03 | Muisje | Continue installing libc-client without Maildir support? <-- Yes , i was suppose to answer yes but i did no. how can i redo it? |
| 09:50.04 | larsl | Alarm: Apparently the new xorg version doesn't autodetect the frequencies properly like the old one did. |
| 09:50.24 | Alarm | nah, its just needs a simple reconfiguration thats all |
| 09:51.18 | liable | Muisje: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 09:52.14 | Muisje | Yes, i know dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:52.15 | Muisje | :p |
| 09:52.22 | Muisje | but donno which packet it was |
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| 09:58.18 | Enverex | liable, Is there anything to add other than the "depends on blah or blah but is a virtual package"? Seems pretty self explanitory |
| 09:59.00 | liable | Enverex: not really, broken depends sums it up |
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| 10:01.59 | frafra | hi all, I've a little problem. For my keyboard, I've to run a little script wich uses xmodkeys and xmodmap. How to run this automatically? |
| 10:02.05 | Muisje | http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch <3 |
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| 10:02.34 | turn | My gcc-documentation for info isn't installed anymore. I didn't remove it explicit. How can that be? |
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| 10:02.50 | turn | 'pinfo libc' usually displayed the gcc-doc. |
| 10:03.20 | sanelson | can one alter the contents of a tar on the fly? i want to, eg, extract one or two files, change them, and put them back |
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| 10:05.46 | XtypeWriter74 | When i # apt get update i get this message: http://sial.org/pbot/25561 what is to do? |
| 10:06.24 | XtypeWriter74 | - |
| 10:06.28 | xand | did you try again? |
| 10:06.36 | XtypeWriter74 | yes did it 2 times |
| 10:07.13 | amaache | Hi : How to make a .deb to setup a software? links for docs please |
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| 10:08.44 | XtypeWriter74 | <amaache> ? |
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| 10:09.40 | cast | amaache: its in debian.org/docs somewhere |
| 10:10.14 | amaache | does there a tools to make .deb? |
| 10:10.27 | cast | there sure are. |
| 10:10.31 | metbsd | there sure does |
| 10:10.52 | amaache | thank's cast, thank's metbsd |
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| 10:11.49 | liable | !nmg |
| 10:11.49 | dpkg | well, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 10:12.47 | turn | XtypeWriter74: Do you have bzip2 installed? |
| 10:13.30 | XtypeWriter74 | yes |
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| 10:14.10 | turn | Error code 2 is usually if you don't have the nessuary packages installed. |
| 10:14.17 | metbsd | 4.0 is latest? |
| 10:14.21 | frafra | yes |
| 10:14.25 | metbsd | my debian is 4.0, so it's good? |
| 10:14.33 | frafra | it's the lastest stable |
| 10:14.55 | metbsd | what's higher version |
| 10:15.02 | metbsd | 4.0 unstable? |
| 10:15.27 | turn | sanelson: No, you got to extract everything, change the file and archive it back. |
| 10:15.29 | frafra | the unstable is sid, it hasn't a version number |
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| 10:15.47 | metbsd | sarge is between stable and unstable? |
| 10:15.51 | XtypeWriter74 | hmm, i wonder what i do have anymore, havent done anything in while on this machine and everything was good before |
| 10:15.53 | frafra | you should replace in your /etc/apt/sources.list the word etch with sid |
| 10:15.57 | frafra | sarge is the old stable |
| 10:16.28 | metbsd | no, i don't want sid, it's trouble maker |
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| 10:16.41 | liable | XtypeWriter74: i have had the bzip error a few times before, just ^c and install what you need, doesnt usually cause errors |
| 10:16.42 | metbsd | new stable is what |
| 10:16.49 | metbsd | and what is old unstable? |
| 10:16.58 | metbsd | is old stable equal to new unstable? |
| 10:17.05 | frafra | it's old :D |
| 10:17.05 | liable | no |
| 10:17.06 | XtypeWriter74 | thats what i am doing at the moment |
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| 10:17.10 | XtypeWriter74 | :D thanx |
| 10:17.16 | metbsd | i meant, old unstable is new stable? |
| 10:17.19 | SoftIce | hi is there a way to install a debian OS over a debian OS? |
| 10:17.28 | liable | !releases |
| 10:17.28 | dpkg | releases is probably See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 10:17.37 | liable | read |
| 10:17.50 | SoftIce | as not to lose data so just to overwrite the entire base, etc |
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| 10:19.44 | SoftIce | or is there a dpkg command to re-configure everything back to defaults? |
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| 10:24.31 | markit | hi, anyone using qemu or kvm and able to make the guest OS Win access host directory? |
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| 10:27.07 | unlink | how do i reconfigure the partition structure of an encrypted LVM in the installer? |
| 10:27.52 | markit | unlink: btw, AFAIR, there is the #lvm channel |
| 10:28.03 | markit | (and I don't know the answer, of course) |
| 10:28.41 | cast | can you go select encrypted lvm, continue on, then go back to the partitioning section and choose manual and edit the automatic configuration? [nfi if it works] |
| 10:28.45 | unlink | true, but i imagine it's a rather debian-specific question |
| 10:28.58 | cast | i had the same issue. but in the end i just went and did it all manually to the same effect |
| 10:29.00 | markit | unlink: sorry, yes, you are right |
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| 10:29.14 | unlink | yeah, but if you delete two consecutive partitions, it doesn't collapse the free space |
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| 10:30.51 | unlink | if i've already written random data to my hard drive, can i skip that step? |
| 10:31.42 | cast | sounds like manual is going to be a whole lot more suited to you |
| 10:32.35 | unlink | oh, you can do that in manual? |
| 10:33.11 | cast | when you setup encrypted partitions in manual you have the wipe free space option |
| 10:33.20 | cast | by default its on |
| 10:33.57 | unlink | oh |
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| 10:36.58 | metbsd | the init.d script doesn't not 'status'? |
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| 10:39.40 | kensho | hi |
| 10:39.44 | liable | doesnt not status?? |
| 10:40.13 | azeem | metbsd: no, it's not part of the Debian init.d interface; some scripts might support it, though |
| 10:40.41 | metbsd | netbsd have 'status' |
| 10:40.50 | metbsd | that shows if it's running or not |
| 10:40.57 | azeem | yes, Debian doesn't have it |
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| 10:42.35 | fireba11 | what might cause "xfs_fsr -v /dev/md3" to say "unable to get handle : /tmp: Invalid argument" |
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| 10:42.43 | xRainbows | are there any alternative desktops to gnome and kde |
| 10:42.54 | azeem | xRainbows: xfce, gnustep |
| 10:42.57 | xRainbows | or xfce |
| 10:42.58 | Arafangion | xRainbows: xfce is also popular. |
| 10:43.09 | xRainbows | thanks |
| 10:43.18 | Arafangion | xRainbows: Enlightenment 17 is probably the newest, but I don't believe it's finished yet. |
| 10:44.24 | metbsd | it will never finish |
| 10:44.27 | xRainbows | :D |
| 10:45.14 | joga | alternative to a desktop is simply a window manager |
| 10:46.04 | cast | i just tried xfce4 20 minutes ago, it was quite nice |
| 10:46.27 | metbsd | kde the best |
| 10:46.37 | fireba11 | anyone ? |
| 10:46.40 | xRainbows | i´ll take a look at gnustep since i ahvent heard of before |
| 10:47.05 | xRainbows | ;) thanx yall |
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| 10:47.39 | Arafangion | metbsd: That's what they said about E16. |
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| 10:50.07 | anapivirtua | Hi world. |
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| 10:50.25 | basanta | can i alter the gui font size through xorg.conf |
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| 10:51.02 | speedy | i've changed my.cnf config of mysql to log slow queries, now i want to restart or reload without losing open connections, is that possible? |
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| 10:51.18 | metbsd | well, this is all weird, i started apache2 server, when i look at it, it goes to apache2-default, i don't see this folder anywhere |
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| 10:51.47 | EdLin | !folder |
| 10:51.47 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 10:51.52 | k31th | how can i see how much space i have left on my machine, i know i can do df -m etc but how can i find out which files and folders are taking up all the space on my server? |
| 10:51.57 | js_ | metbsd: /var/www/ |
| 10:52.09 | metbsd | but the root in conf is /etc/apache2 |
| 10:52.21 | EdLin | k31th: du |
| 10:52.37 | EdLin | metbsd: yes, not everything goes in the same place. Welcome to Unix |
| 10:52.44 | cast | k31th: there's some x apps for that like filelight and xdiskusage |
| 10:52.50 | liable | metbsd: /etc/apache/sites-available |
| 10:52.53 | liable | 2 |
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| 10:53.11 | k31th | I dont have X |
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| 10:53.45 | Enverex | k31th, du -hs /* |
| 10:53.47 | EdLin | k31th: use du and pipe it through sort for finding which directories use the most space. |
| 10:54.19 | k31th | Enverex: wicked thanks. |
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| 10:54.44 | Enverex | Then just chdir into the large directories and keep following it up |
| 10:55.10 | stew | k31th: except use "du -ks * | sort -n" (-hs doesn't lend to sorting). start at / see what is the biggest, cd to that directory, repeat until you figure out what you can remove. |
| 10:55.14 | liri | how do timestamp in the future on fails are dealt with ususally? |
| 10:55.33 | EdLin | !stew++ |
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| 10:57.07 | unlink | can i set one hd partition as physical volume for encryption and then partition that further? |
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| 10:57.29 | xRainbows | i am installing with netinstall cd, since i want to choose my own desktop enviroment i de-selected DESKtop enviroment and left Standard system, but i am using a Laptop, should i choose the Laptop option ? |
| 10:57.52 | cast | unlink: sure |
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| 10:58.15 | cast | unlink: set up the hd partition as a encrypted volume then set the encrypted volume as an lvm pv, i suppose |
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| 10:59.42 | unlink | ah |
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| 11:03.35 | fireba11 | can someone tell me how to fix that ? ioctl32(xfs_fsr:19326): Unknown cmd fd(6) cmd(c01c5868){00} arg(ff8a478c) on /srv |
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| 11:04.10 | vin` | xRainbows: that'll get you few laptop specific packages like wireless-tools, bluetooth, acpi etc. not X related, if in doubt - you can select all of these manually later as well |
| 11:04.26 | liri | is it possible to automatically sync all the files on the system that has a timestamp in the future? |
| 11:04.33 | xRainbows | nice , thanx!! |
| 11:04.56 | Quintin | Anyone know why my apache isn't writing to logfiles? I deleted all the files, then remade access.log , but it's not writing to it |
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| 11:05.54 | samesame | Quintin: i had the exact problem when i deleted log files for postfix then recreated them with exact permissions but postfix wouldnt write to it |
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| 11:06.34 | samesame | maybe try restarting apache |
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| 11:07.01 | cast | if its opened a file, and you delete it, itll keep writing to it |
| 11:07.21 | cast | one of the features of *nix |
| 11:07.34 | samesame | but if u deleted it, it has nothing to write to? |
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| 11:08.30 | cast | i think the idea was that you could create a tmp file, open it, delete it, and keep using it without worrying about cluttering the system with tmp files if the program ended without deleting it |
| 11:08.59 | metbsd | so debian apache2 installation have a default virtual domain enabled, ha ha |
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| 11:09.34 | metbsd | hilarious |
| 11:10.01 | liable | it is? |
| 11:10.10 | fireba11 | : /join #xfs |
| 11:10.13 | fireba11 | hu ? |
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| 11:10.48 | Quintin | samesame: of course I already tried that.. won't work |
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| 11:11.19 | blixten | Install these packages without verification |
| 11:11.22 | blixten | whats that shit? |
| 11:11.26 | rose32 | Could I reuse a sockaddr_in structure after a bind? |
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| 11:11.58 | liable | rose32: ##c or #networking would be the place to ask |
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| 11:12.38 | fireba11 | xfs_fsr tells me "unable to get handle: /srv: Invalid argument" on debian etch amd64 .. any ideas ? |
| 11:12.51 | k31th | guys, i have sendmail shitting itself here. |
| 11:13.12 | Quintin | k31th: use exim |
| 11:13.19 | cast | k31th: the getmail author has a few things to say about sendmail |
| 11:13.25 | Quintin | blixten: read the topic. |
| 11:13.25 | samesame | k31th: i can offer u free toilet paper? |
| 11:13.32 | azeem | samesame: eh? |
| 11:13.38 | k31th | its bouncing all mail based on 1 user being over its mailbox size... also I have noticed that root is 99% full... |
| 11:13.44 | metbsd | is there way to show postinstalltion message of a pkg? |
| 11:13.46 | samesame | azeem: <k31th> guys, i have sendmail shitting itself here. |
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| 11:13.55 | DexterF | hi |
| 11:14.11 | azeem | metbsd: the scripts executed during installation can be found at /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 11:14.15 | k31th | i cant change the mta there are over 1000 users using it |
| 11:14.37 | azeem | k31th: maybe try #sendmail if it exists |
| 11:14.44 | k31th | tried there |
| 11:14.45 | DexterF | compiling some src it complaines about missing X includes. now I got no clue what package has those. among "xserver" there was nothing like xserver-includes or such. |
| 11:14.54 | metbsd | no, i need a command for that |
| 11:14.55 | DexterF | any pointers? |
| 11:14.59 | metbsd | is there a way |
| 11:15.02 | k31th | some guys responce was "so?" |
| 11:15.04 | liable | DexterF: -dev |
| 11:15.19 | samesame | k31th: maybe in the future think about changing to postifx |
| 11:15.45 | azeem | k31th: did you also begin with "guys, i have sendmail shitting itself here."? |
| 11:15.46 | liable | or bring the sendmail admin back from retirement ;) |
| 11:15.55 | k31th | yeah im trying to get them to redo this box |
| 11:15.58 | k31th | azeem: lol no. |
| 11:15.59 | chemaja1 | i'm a sendmail admin |
| 11:16.00 | fireba11 | haha |
| 11:16.16 | azeem | k31th: maybe your question still wasn't specific or detailed enough |
| 11:16.48 | k31th | its bouncing all email based on one users mailbox being over its size limit. |
| 11:16.51 | liable | chemaja1: i bet you used to program with punchcards too? ;) |
| 11:16.58 | DexterF | liable: thanks |
| 11:16.59 | chemaja1 | sendmail would have been "good" if they didn't leave the guts hanging out when they moved to m4 |
| 11:17.08 | chemaja1 | sec vulns aside |
| 11:17.14 | chemaja1 | liable, i'm only 25 :) |
| 11:17.30 | k31th | i much pref postfix. |
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| 11:17.44 | chemaja1 | k31th, i dont have much choice, corporate inertia + legacy systems |
| 11:17.49 | fireba11 | a little help here please ? xfs_fsr tells me "unable to get handle: /srv: Invalid argument" on debian etch amd64 .. any ideas ? |
| 11:17.51 | chemaja1 | but wait, i'm RESIGNING TOMORROW i forgot :) |
| 11:18.07 | chemaja1 | ps. anyone looking for a GNU/Linux hacker in Melbourne, Australia? :) |
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| 11:18.12 | azeem | k31th: first off, maybe pasting the bounce message it produces to a pastebin might give somebody an idea of what's wrong |
| 11:18.16 | k31th | no one has any ideas to get me out of hell then |
| 11:18.23 | metbsd | aptitude sucks |
| 11:18.24 | aptitude | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 11:18.40 | vin` | metbsd: why? |
| 11:18.40 | azeem | metbsd: aptitude > BSD |
| 11:18.41 | liable | huh> |
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| 11:18.43 | k31th | im hoping that it is due to / being 99% full. |
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| 11:18.53 | azeem | k31th: how about you fix that first? |
| 11:18.57 | samesame | lol |
| 11:18.58 | k31th | yeah i am. |
| 11:18.59 | chemaja1 | metbsd, what's wrong with it, aptitude rocks |
| 11:19.03 | k31th | lool |
| 11:19.09 | chemaja1 | metbsd, it just needs better debtags integration |
| 11:19.10 | azeem | people, please don't feed the aptitude troll |
| 11:19.14 | chemaja1 | oh |
| 11:19.15 | chemaja1 | ok |
| 11:19.17 | tarzeau | chemaja1: he's been here trolling since a few days if not weeks |
| 11:19.17 | cottima | hello, is it possible to download the kde cd 1 and then a net install? |
| 11:19.22 | chemaja1 | oh right, my bad |
| 11:19.34 | k31th | as a side note any of you ever authed your MTA with AD ? |
| 11:19.50 | chemaja1 | k31th, i auth my MTA with spam |
| 11:20.15 | pzn | can anyone give me more instructions (or a URL) about how it works to configure the keyboard layout for gnome/Xorg when I have several computers using xdmcp and different keyboard layouts. thanks in advance |
| 11:20.20 | chemaja1 | sendmail drives me batty, oh well 4 more weeks and it wont matter |
| 11:20.41 | samesame | pzn: 'thanks in advance' what if no one helps you? |
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| 11:20.56 | azeem | samesame: if you don't want to help him, you musn't |
| 11:20.59 | HostilePenguin | guess that would be hanks for nothing |
| 11:21.10 | samesame | lol |
| 11:21.13 | pzn | samesame: well... thanks for listening to the question :-) |
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| 11:23.17 | cast | whats the audiocutting X app..uh |
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| 11:24.45 | wols | cast: audacity? |
| 11:25.28 | cast | Ahh. Thanks! |
| 11:25.42 | cast | was looking for audio* |
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| 11:27.14 | DexterF | mh. darn. installed xserver-xorg-dev, still that src complains about missing headers. something else left to do? |
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| 11:27.27 | tarzeau | DexterF: what source? |
| 11:27.32 | g0th | hi |
| 11:27.48 | DexterF | mplayerthumbs, kde/konq video preview alternativ |
| 11:27.56 | tarzeau | hey g0th |
| 11:28.00 | g0th | hi |
| 11:28.31 | wols | !info xl11-dev |
| 11:28.36 | wols | !info libxl1-dev |
| 11:29.33 | cahoot | xorg-dev |
| 11:29.35 | wols | DexterF: you don't want the xserver headers cause you don't want to develop X extensions |
| 11:29.45 | g0th | I'd like to "synchronize" one smb directory with another |
| 11:29.56 | cast | rsync |
| 11:30.01 | g0th | I already started this process using rsync -rvP dir1/* dir2/ |
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| 11:30.06 | g0th | it copied over about 200gb |
| 11:30.09 | g0th | then I canceld it |
| 11:30.15 | g0th | and now I'd like to continue |
| 11:30.21 | cast | restart rsync |
| 11:30.26 | g0th | but it started from scratch! |
| 11:30.33 | g0th | now I'm trying |
| 11:30.34 | g0th | rsync -avhP /mnt/hex2/movies /mnt/ebfd/movies |
| 11:30.35 | metbsd | rsync with ssh tunnel |
| 11:30.40 | DexterF | !info libxl1-dev |
| 11:30.40 | g0th | but it still starts from scratch |
| 11:30.51 | g0th | metbsd:? |
| 11:30.56 | DexterF | wols: so.. what do I want then? |
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| 11:31.27 | wols | DexterF: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libx11-dev&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
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| 11:31.54 | cast | hmm, my mirror is dead. installing rsync so i can see what P does is taking a while :( |
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| 11:34.01 | cast | g0th: is it starting from scratch is does it just look like it? it has to hash both sets of files then compute the differences |
| 11:34.40 | metbsd | so how do i view postinstallation message of a pkg |
| 11:35.18 | g0th | well |
| 11:35.28 | g0th | I think it really starts from scratch |
| 11:35.34 | g0th | and if it doesn't it doesn't matter |
| 11:35.47 | g0th | since for one file it takes about as long as just copying it |
| 11:36.08 | g0th | the interesting thing is |
| 11:36.13 | g0th | that in the 2nd run it seems to continue |
| 11:36.16 | cast | i think metbsd's suggestion is a good one |
| 11:36.26 | g0th | but based on the second "procedure" |
| 11:36.36 | metbsd | what's my suggestion? |
| 11:36.37 | g0th | so the 2nd run starts from scratch |
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| 11:36.46 | g0th | but at least it continues |
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| 11:37.04 | cast | metbsd: instead of running it on two network mounted shares, run rsync between the two hosts which are serving the shares, right? |
| 11:37.15 | metbsd | yes |
| 11:37.26 | g0th | cast: can't do that |
| 11:37.46 | g0th | cast: I can only use smb/http/ftp/afp |
| 11:37.59 | g0th | it's a lacie ethernet big disc |
| 11:38.06 | g00se | Can't see to find simple e.g. of forwarding http requests from one machine to another, specifying ports with iptables |
| 11:38.06 | cast | oh :< |
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| 11:38.24 | metbsd | but i really suggest ssh rsync |
| 11:38.27 | metbsd | it's safer |
| 11:38.27 | fireba11 | a little help here please ? xfs_fsr tells me "unable to get handle: /srv: Invalid argument" on debian etch amd64 .. any ideas ? |
| 11:38.39 | g0th | metbsd: safer??? |
| 11:38.43 | g0th | lol |
| 11:38.47 | g0th | safe from what? |
| 11:38.50 | g0th | ^^ |
| 11:38.56 | g0th | anyway |
| 11:38.56 | metbsd | cuz data is encripyt |
| 11:39.04 | g0th | I can't use ssh |
| 11:39.14 | fireba11 | ? |
| 11:39.21 | tarzeau | metbsd: and slower too |
| 11:39.23 | g0th | the lacie doesn't support that kind of thing |
| 11:39.32 | g0th | yes and slower |
| 11:39.59 | DexterF | wols: xorg-dev did it |
| 11:40.04 | HostilePenguin | i parted is is hard for me to learn gparted wants so many files through aptitude i just want somthing small like parted and easy like gparted |
| 11:40.09 | metbsd | it's not slow once the connection session is established |
| 11:40.20 | g0th | metbsd: can you please skip it! |
| 11:40.33 | g0th | It's out of the question, I simply can't do it |
| 11:40.43 | metbsd | why not? |
| 11:40.45 | HostilePenguin | and you can forget the initial i |
| 11:40.51 | g0th | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.52 | cast | i wonder if the lacie drive runs linux |
| 11:41.59 | g0th | it does |
| 11:42.22 | g0th | so how do I sync my files? |
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| 11:42.27 | g0th | I already copied over 200gb |
| 11:42.35 | g0th | and all rsync does at the moment is: nothing |
| 11:42.43 | g0th | it copies stuff that already is there |
| 11:42.44 | g0th | :( |
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| 11:43.38 | cast | well the problem is rsync has to go through and work out what files need updating, which its doing on a networked filesystem, thus taking ages |
| 11:43.51 | g0th | nono |
| 11:43.56 | g0th | I try to explain again: |
| 11:44.01 | g0th | first I copied 200gb |
| 11:44.10 | cast | you started rsync, cancelled. now want to start it again? |
| 11:44.16 | g0th | then I interrupted and started from scratch again |
| 11:44.27 | g0th | the newly started rsync seems to be able to continue |
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| 11:44.40 | g0th | but it still "ignores" the 200gb |
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| 11:45.06 | g0th | but it realized _really_ fast what files it already copied |
| 11:45.09 | g0th | so it seems to work |
| 11:45.28 | cast | ohhh i get it. my bad. |
| 11:45.29 | HostilePenguin | what partition editor does the debian installer use? |
| 11:45.32 | g0th | so how does rsync test if it already copied files? |
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| 11:46.05 | g0th | rsync -rvhPu --size-only /mnt/hex2/movies /mnt/ebfd/movies |
| 11:46.08 | g0th | that's my command line |
| 11:46.24 | g0th | it still fails to see that the files on the right are the same as the ones on the left |
| 11:46.25 | g0th | :( |
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| 11:48.41 | g0th | so any suggestions? |
| 11:48.49 | g0th | Is there another copy tool? |
| 11:49.11 | g0th | hmm all right |
| 11:49.17 | DexterF | !info build |
| 11:49.21 | g0th | is there an option to let it also ignore the file size? |
| 11:49.30 | g0th | so only copy based on whether the file name is there or not= |
| 11:50.08 | g0th | btw the file size really differs |
| 11:50.12 | g0th | I just compared |
| 11:50.24 | g0th | for a succesfully copied file |
| 11:50.26 | g0th | it differs |
| 11:50.42 | g0th | but still rsync recognizes the one files as "already copied" |
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| 11:51.00 | g0th | anyone? :( |
| 11:51.19 | g0th | the last desperate method is to simply copy everything manually |
| 11:51.34 | g0th | which takes really long and is annoying |
| 11:52.40 | fireba11 | g0th: rsync got a LOT of options .. |
| 11:53.46 | fireba11 | a little help here please ? xfs_fsr tells me "unable to get handle: /srv: Invalid argument" on debian etch amd64 |
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| 11:55.28 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i am getting crazy with a network config, maybe someone can help me: |
| 11:55.35 | assasukasse | at home i have the following ip: |
| 11:55.35 | bkhl | Has anyone here had the problem where Exim 4 refuses to send mail to a smarthost being an SMTP server running on another port on the same host, saying "remote host address is the local host"? |
| 11:55.45 | assasukasse | 192.168.0.138 gw and dns |
| 11:56.05 | g0th | fireba11: not that many options |
| 11:56.25 | assasukasse | 192.168.0.1 dhcp preset my pc, 192.168.0.2 dhcp preset mom pc, 192.168.0.3 wireless AP, 192.168.0.50 printer |
| 11:56.26 | g0th | all I want to do is copy only the files that aren't in the destination already |
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| 11:56.37 | g0th | but it seems to be a complicated issue even though it sounds very simple |
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| 11:57.43 | assasukasse | now i added a wireless client that connects at another pc, the wireless client connects with fix ip 192.168.0.66, the pc has 192.168.0.99 |
| 11:57.52 | assasukasse | i can ping .66 but not .99 |
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| 11:59.51 | fireba11 | g0th: what about --ignore-existing ? |
| 12:00.16 | g0th | hmm |
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| 12:00.24 | g0th | I must have overlooked that one :) |
| 12:00.25 | g0th | thanks |
| 12:01.52 | g0th | arg |
| 12:01.54 | g0th | that fails as well |
| 12:02.00 | g0th | what is going on?!? |
| 12:02.17 | g0th | it still copies files that are already there |
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| 12:02.50 | g0th | rsync dir1 dir2 |
| 12:02.53 | wfq | hi |
| 12:02.54 | g0th | then it copies to dir2? |
| 12:02.55 | cast | diff and cp looking good? |
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| 12:03.32 | wfq | I am trying to set my framebuffer up so i am following a tutorial that says have to select video selection support as image. I am using a 2.6.20 kernel and on there i find it as --. do i have to set up something before in oder to get his choice available? (debian etch stable) |
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| 12:05.14 | g0th | grml |
| 12:05.23 | g0th | I will simply copy manually |
| 12:05.27 | g0th | but I'm disappointed :( |
| 12:05.28 | g0th | bye |
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| 12:13.22 | tmroland | hi, how do i find out what processes do users run |
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| 12:13.35 | tmroland | ps -u <user> / |
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| 12:13.37 | tmroland | ? |
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| 12:13.49 | babilen | hi there.. |
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| 12:14.08 | gentgeen__ | I have a line of code that runs fine from the CLI , but when I put it into crontab, it errors our. I can't figure out how/why. |
| 12:14.14 | gentgeen__ | the error is /bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' |
| 12:14.28 | babilen | my aptitude does not install recommends anymore. i understand, that it should do so by default ut does not, even if i give the "-r" option.. |
| 12:14.29 | gentgeen__ | the command is cd /home/rtuser/ && tar -czf logs_archived/logs_`date +%Y-%m-%d`.tar.gz logs/ && rm -f /home/rtuser/logs/* |
| 12:14.53 | gentgeen__ | tmroland, you want the processes they are already running? |
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| 12:15.01 | gentgeen__ | top -U $USER |
| 12:15.06 | tmroland | ok tnx |
| 12:15.16 | tmroland | i have a hanged terminal on tty2 its stuck into cat |
| 12:15.32 | gentgeen__ | pidof cat |
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| 12:15.54 | gentgeen__ | the kill -9 <ANSWER> would also work |
| 12:16.05 | gentgeen__ | as long as you only had one cat process running |
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| 12:16.14 | tmroland | cat is running but i cant get its pid |
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| 12:16.20 | tmroland | only bash pid |
| 12:16.22 | babilen | so, my question is: how do i get aptitude to install recommends again. |
| 12:16.41 | babilen | i have nothing in ~/aptitude/config and /etc/apt/apt.conf btw |
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| 12:16.59 | tmroland | ctrl-c/ctrl-d dont work |
| 12:17.09 | mcbyte | hi, is someone really good in building .deb packages? ;) i want to create some configuration packages for our company. so if i do apt-get install cfg-ntp, it installs ntp and creates the appropriate configuration for it. Now the problem is that i cant provide /etc/ntp.conf as this file is already in the ntp package :( |
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| 12:18.10 | gentgeen__ | tmroland, let me guess it is still running text of the screen, but not really "locked" up in cat |
| 12:18.24 | tmroland | im locked up in cat |
| 12:18.26 | tmroland | cant exit |
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| 12:18.36 | tmroland | even tried killing the pid of bash on that tty, but nothign |
| 12:18.37 | tmroland | as root |
| 12:18.49 | gentgeen__ | right, but text is flying buy |
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| 12:18.52 | gentgeen__ | ? |
| 12:18.54 | tmroland | no |
| 12:18.59 | tmroland | its fixed position |
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| 12:19.01 | tmroland | nothingmoving |
| 12:19.06 | gentgeen__ | hmmmm |
| 12:19.26 | tmroland | i just wanted to test out things like 'cat > file' to edit file |
| 12:19.32 | gentgeen__ | ok, figured since cat had already done its thing, it would not show as a current process (i.e. no pid) |
| 12:19.33 | tmroland | and i wrote something and then it locked |
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| 12:20.35 | tmroland | who do ps -e and ps e return different results in the format of process display ? |
| 12:20.40 | gentgeen__ | pkill -U $USER |
| 12:20.49 | babilen | hi, my aptitude does not install recommends anymore.. what to do? |
| 12:20.49 | gentgeen__ | ? |
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| 12:21.46 | tmroland | ok nothing, it terminated my BitchX but hung terminal with cat still haunts me |
| 12:22.48 | joga | uhm... |
| 12:22.51 | joga | ctrl-c? ;) |
| 12:22.59 | tmroland | ctrl-c/ctrl-d are out of question |
| 12:23.03 | tmroland | nothing works there |
| 12:23.07 | joga | ctrl-q? |
| 12:23.10 | Noborusan | so quiet |
| 12:23.19 | tmroland | O_O |
| 12:23.20 | tmroland | wtf |
| 12:23.26 | tmroland | ctrl-q bails out of cat |
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| 12:23.32 | joga | you had stopped the terminal with ctrl-s |
| 12:23.32 | tmroland | didnt know this |
| 12:23.38 | joga | ctrl-q resumed it |
| 12:23.40 | tmroland | i didnt press ctrl-s |
| 12:23.42 | tmroland | ever |
| 12:23.46 | joga | accidentally you did probably |
| 12:23.56 | tmroland | mabey |
| 12:24.21 | tmroland | lol maybe i wasnt paying attention in my frenzy then |
| 12:25.05 | joga | the ctrl-s thing often happens when using screen, when you're trying to press ctrl-a :) |
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| 12:26.01 | metbsd | how do i review configuration i need to do for mod_php for apache2 |
| 12:26.15 | tmroland | screen is like console's X ? eg. having multiple consoles in one tty? |
| 12:26.20 | joga | kind of |
| 12:26.30 | joga | more like a window manager for console |
| 12:26.40 | tmroland | can u move the 'text windows' with mouse? |
| 12:26.41 | alecssys | i have a problem with my debian ... it halts after it tries to start gdm at boot ... all i can do then is press the reset button |
| 12:26.51 | alecssys | any ideea what could be wrong ? |
| 12:27.07 | joga | tmroland, hmm, not really, you can just switch between them and split the screen to show multiple "windows" |
| 12:27.23 | joga | but screen has all sorts of neat features and is very useful |
| 12:27.32 | metbsd | what's the point of cygwin when there's vmware |
| 12:27.44 | joga | metbsd maybe not everyone wants to simulate a computer |
| 12:28.02 | gentgeen__ | metbsd, cygwin brings the commands INTO windows |
| 12:28.04 | joga | I'd expect cygwin to perform better but I don't really know |
| 12:28.06 | Coweater | alecssys: you can boot single user from the grub menu and check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:28.14 | gentgeen__ | you can type "cat" right at your dos prompt |
| 12:28.16 | joga | and yes, you're not that shut off if you're not in vm |
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| 12:29.08 | Tenkawa | morning all |
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| 12:30.49 | alecssys | Coweater: the only unusual thing in that log is this : (WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory) |
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| 12:30.58 | tmroland | does debian use vanilla linux or patched linux ? |
| 12:31.08 | rsk | tmroland: patched |
| 12:31.11 | Arafangion | tmroland: What is "vanilla linux"? |
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| 12:31.31 | rsk | Arafangion: no 3rd party patches, aka "master" from git |
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| 12:31.51 | Arafangion | rsk: I wasn't asking you! :) |
| 12:31.54 | tmroland | Arafangion: the packages distributed from kernel.org and not distributor-modified kernels |
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| 12:32.03 | tmroland | vanilla is the official release |
| 12:32.08 | tmroland | as coming from linus torvalds |
| 12:32.20 | tmroland | with the patches *he* accepted |
| 12:32.21 | Arafangion | I see. |
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| 12:33.58 | EdLin | tmroland: Linus himself has said that people should run patched kernels from distros |
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| 12:36.20 | stew | !kernel of instability |
| 12:36.20 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 12:36.45 | gentgeen__ | alecssys, can you boot into command line, then run startx ? the will tell you if the problem is with X or within the boot process |
| 12:37.56 | alecssys | gentgeen__: NO ... it halts when it says Starting gdm ... even the keyboard is blocked |
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| 12:38.22 | l3on | hi all |
| 12:38.52 | l3on | Anyone did have problems with last xorg updates ? |
| 12:39.02 | Ronin | more specific please l3on |
| 12:39.13 | Ronin | but iirc there were issues |
| 12:39.19 | gentgeen__ | DON'T BOOT into gui.... do you know how to use grub and boot into "safe mode" ? |
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| 12:39.42 | l3on | Ronin: sorry... I've an ati x800gto... with the restricted driver installed |
| 12:40.30 | l3on | when I starting X the monitor shutdown and force me to reboot system |
| 12:40.39 | gentgeen__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.50 | gentgeen__ | that will get you to the command line instead of GDM |
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| 12:41.32 | l3on | gentgeen__: I never insert GDM in my runlevel :D |
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| 12:41.50 | gentgeen__ | l3on, I was talking to alecssys |
| 12:41.51 | EdLin | l3on: on install, it does it automatically |
| 12:41.53 | gentgeen__ | :-) |
| 12:41.57 | tmroland | why dont i have smbmount command after installing samba-common and samba-client? |
| 12:42.06 | tmroland | do i need to use mount -t smbfs? |
| 12:42.06 | EdLin | l3on: oops - alexsys |
| 12:42.10 | l3on | ah ok |
| 12:42.23 | EdLin | anyhow, with that, off to work |
| 12:43.09 | gentgeen__ | l3on, any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:43.21 | patrikf | hey, can I somehow make aptitude display from what source it has a package version (e.g., a pure debian vs. debian-multimedia mirror) |
| 12:43.26 | xand | tmroland: you want smbfs package too. |
| 12:43.38 | xand | tmroland: samba-client doesn't include smbfs/mount |
| 12:43.45 | l3on | gentgeen__: this is: |
| 12:43.49 | l3on | (EE) fglrx(0): === [swlDalHelperSetControllerConfigForRemap] === CWDDC ControllerSetConfig failed: 6 - 0 |
| 12:44.08 | l3on | It's in Xorg.0.log.old |
| 12:44.27 | gentgeen__ | datestamp on the .old ? |
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| 12:44.32 | alecssys | gentgeen__: i just did that .. i'm in the gui mode which i started from the commandline |
| 12:44.58 | alecssys | gentgeen__: but this is not my pc .. so it must start by it's own |
| 12:45.11 | ghatak | Hi, I have currently a base system installed on a system. How do i install desktop environment with fluxbox, and no other crap ? |
| 12:45.25 | gentgeen__ | alecssys, so the boot to command line when fine, then the startx command went fine? |
| 12:45.38 | gentgeen__ | I would say look at GDM as the culprit then .... |
| 12:45.44 | badcfe | on lenny i do "wodim dev=1,0,0 file.iso" (/dev/sr0) and it tells me "Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder". why? |
| 12:46.10 | gentgeen__ | quit X ... then run gdm from the commandline... see if you get any errors |
| 12:46.12 | alecssys | gentgeen__: i didn't do startx ... i did gdm .... |
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| 12:46.17 | gentgeen__ | O |
| 12:46.23 | l3on | gentgeen__: datastampe ???? |
| 12:46.33 | badcfe | my "wodim -scanbus" says "1,0,0 100) 'SONY ' 'DVD-ROM DDU1615 ' 'FYS2' Removable CD-ROM" so i dont understand why it doesnt burn the cd. |
| 12:46.38 | m4ggus | ghatak, aptitude install x-window-system-core fluxbox |
| 12:46.43 | gentgeen__ | ls -l Xorg.0.log.old |
| 12:46.52 | gentgeen__ | that will show you the date it was written |
| 12:47.11 | alecssys | ls: Xorg.0.log.old: No such file or directory |
| 12:47.14 | badcfe | on lenny i do "wodim dev=1,0,0 file.iso" (/dev/sr0) and it tells me "Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder". maybe there is a kernel module that i need to load? |
| 12:47.15 | gentgeen__ | is it too old to care about.... ? I just see the ".old" and wondered if the error is even important any more |
| 12:47.31 | liable | badcfe: just do 'wodim file.iso' whats it do? |
| 12:47.34 | l3on | gentgeen__: oh yes.. it's right |
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| 12:47.36 | gentgeen__ | alecssys, sorry, that was for l30n |
| 12:47.54 | badcfe | liable: same thing |
| 12:47.55 | l3on | gentgeen__: it is the right file |
| 12:48.08 | alecssys | oh ok ... still ... what's the problem ? ... it's kinda strange for me |
| 12:48.10 | gentgeen__ | l3on, OK, sorry but I have no clue what fglrx is .... but that is where I would start.... Use that line and start googleing |
| 12:48.12 | gentgeen__ | :-) |
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| 12:49.16 | l3on | gentgeen__: shit! |
| 12:49.17 | l3on | :D |
| 12:49.19 | gentgeen__ | alecssys, I am wondering if your monitor can not handle the "switch"... had that once... everything went find, but the monitor would crap out when switching to X as part of the boot process |
| 12:50.10 | alecssys | gentgeen__: and why it's the first time in a month when it can't do that ? ... and how u solved it ? |
| 12:50.36 | badcfe | liable: and wodim says "Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-ROM" -- maybe i need some kernel module? |
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| 12:51.18 | badcfe | liable: or maybe i fuck up, and this is no writer 8-/ |
| 12:51.56 | gentgeen__ | alecssys, you said it halts.. what is the last thing you see before it halts? |
| 12:52.12 | gentgeen__ | and does the screen go black? |
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| 12:52.37 | alecssys | gentgeen__: no .. it just halts in the boot process ... like in verbose mode .. |
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| 12:53.23 | gentgeen__ | and what is the last thing it says? |
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| 12:53.42 | JakeConnor | is debian linux? |
| 12:53.48 | cast | linux is a kernel |
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| 12:53.52 | cast | debian uses it in stable |
| 12:53.58 | xand | !what is debian |
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| 12:53.59 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, xand |
| 12:54.02 | xand | !debian |
| 12:54.02 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 12:54.09 | incorrect | i have some files i recovered from lost+found, its strange as the files have become block special and character special, is it possible to convert these or repair them? |
| 12:54.15 | incorrect | JakeConnor, are you trolling ? |
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| 12:54.38 | JakeConnor | incorrect: i'm chatting on irc :-P |
| 12:54.39 | o2T7 | hi |
| 12:54.41 | liable | badcfe: heh, looks like it may not be a burner |
| 12:55.05 | JakeConnor | does debian use the rpm package system? |
| 12:55.13 | JakeConnor | incorrect: are you trolling? |
| 12:55.32 | incorrect | JakeConnor, definitely |
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| 12:55.44 | snitride | hello, hope someone can help me. i am searching for some kind of hotkey (bound key) to witch tasks even playing opengl games.. and does someone know a better app then xawtv, need a better convertation to avi.... someone have a idea? |
| 12:56.01 | Ronin | JakeConnor: if your serious please look at debian.org, if your trolling please go elsewhere |
| 12:56.17 | snitride | *switch tasks like switching from running opengl to desktop |
| 12:56.22 | alecssys | gentgeen__: no the screen doesn't go black ... and i don't know what's the last thing it says ..... what's the previous module to load before gdm ? ;) |
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| 12:57.08 | yosef | Hi, |
| 12:57.18 | yosef | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.21 | gentgeen__ | On my system, there is a handful fo stuff that I still see after "loading gdm" but before I see the screen change |
| 12:57.24 | JakeConnor | i am serious |
| 12:57.41 | liable | yosef: can you ping it? |
| 12:57.51 | liable | yosef: can you telnet to it? |
| 12:57.51 | Ronin | debian is a linux distro, and no we dont use rpm we use .deb |
| 12:57.53 | gentgeen__ | so it could be one of those things before gdm, or after gdm. but before you get to the gdm srceen |
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| 12:57.54 | moshii | I've upgraded a machine amd64 machine to linux 2.6.21 and I don't think it can execute 32bit binaries any more.. |
| 12:57.56 | JakeConnor | i want to get familiar with debian because people talk about it like its on another level |
| 12:58.28 | gentgeen__ | JakeConnor, OK, you have just used up your 2 stupid questions limit.... please read more before asking another question |
| 12:58.30 | yosef | liable: my home machine not replay the ping, and telnet not worked too |
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| 12:58.50 | cafuego | moshii: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
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| 12:59.00 | gentgeen__ | We are not trying to be rude, but the questions you ask are well documented already. |
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| 12:59.07 | JakeConnor | just taking incorrect's side :-P |
| 12:59.10 | yosef | liable: this is my ip 86.97.46.77 you can try |
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| 12:59.19 | liable | yosef: might have shut down, internet problem, who knows |
| 12:59.30 | JakeConnor | well you can say everything is documented |
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| 12:59.37 | moshii | cafuego: nope, I'm trying to get vmware-server to run on it after the upgrade, but none of the binaries shipped in the packages will run anymore |
| 12:59.41 | yosef | liable: I'm at home pc now, it's working |
| 12:59.42 | JakeConnor | then there would be no need for this chatroom |
| 12:59.52 | Ronin | JakeConnor: bad logic |
| 13:00.03 | liable | yosef: is sshd running? |
| 13:00.04 | yosef | liable: i'm on the ip 86.97.46.77 now |
| 13:00.05 | cafuego | moshii: Odd... maybe they forgot to compile in ia32 support. |
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| 13:00.11 | snitride | hello, hope someone can help me. i am searching for some kind of hotkey (bound key) to witch tasks even playing opengl games under windoof this would be alt + tab .. and does someone know a better app then xawtv, need a better convertation to avi recording tv progz .... someone have a idea? |
| 13:00.15 | gentgeen__ | yosef, I got a ping |
| 13:00.17 | Ronin | you presume users read the docs and search google first |
| 13:00.44 | yosef | liable: it installed, so it's woring , isn't it? I have debian etch |
| 13:00.45 | snitride | a or an idea never know with is right :p |
| 13:00.45 | wfq | hi, can anyone tell me where i have to start to controll my laptop's battery levels and so on in my debian etch stable with a 2.6.20 kernel please? |
| 13:00.54 | gentgeen__ | snitride, "to witch tasks" sorry don't under stand |
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| 13:01.00 | moshii | cafuego: could it be a module? |
| 13:01.02 | liable | yosef: netstat -plunt |grep ssh |
| 13:01.07 | yosef | gentgeen__: i know the machine alive |
| 13:01.08 | cafuego | moshii: i doubt it |
| 13:01.29 | moshii | cafuego: dang! heh |
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| 13:01.40 | gentgeen__ | yosef, telnet 86.97.46.77 22 |
| 13:01.42 | wfq | I mean, what should i start reading first of all? what modules and/or debian packages must be loaded/intalled? |
| 13:01.46 | gentgeen__ | worked for me too |
| 13:01.58 | snitride | ok lets say u are just running a opengl game like quake 3 and you just whant to ckeck your emails porn or else what as the game is running how do i come back to desktop? |
| 13:02.00 | gentgeen__ | if I know the password/username I could log in :-) |
| 13:02.06 | snitride | with out closing the prog? |
| 13:02.16 | yosef | liable: tcp6 0 0 ::: 22 ::: listen 2 . 9886/sshd |
| 13:02.17 | moshii | cafuego: actually wait a second, the ia32-libs aren't installed anymore.. something weird has gone on |
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| 13:02.46 | gentgeen__ | snitride, hard to say, since those are fullscreen games... but most likely look at your window manager docs |
| 13:02.47 | clif4d | Is it possible to get a list of installed packages (not dependencies/autoinstalled), kinda like aptitudes log file? |
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| 13:02.51 | gentgeen__ | look for a "show desktop" |
| 13:03.00 | tmroland | how many PTS(pseudo terminal, not tty) can linux support? |
| 13:03.03 | tmroland | 255? |
| 13:03.09 | liable | yosef: sshd is running, and gentgeen__ says its working too, looks like you need to work out how to use putty |
| 13:03.38 | rsk | tmroland: should be no limit afaik |
| 13:03.49 | snitride | isent there a prog what could manage the different frames? if not this is the next most important step for linux to do |
| 13:03.50 | snitride | ;) |
| 13:03.58 | tmroland | rsk,ok so the limit will be the resources of the host |
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| 13:04.19 | tmroland | how about file descriptors? doesnt affect? |
| 13:04.27 | tmroland | max open processes etc |
| 13:04.30 | yosef | gentgeen__: I did telnet here, it say connected , and then it stoped on SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.6pl |
| 13:05.00 | quitte | hi. what's the proper way to assign my computer a link.local address and decide on a hostname for mdns with avahi? |
| 13:05.17 | liable | yosef: so, from the debian box do, ssh user@localhost |
| 13:05.34 | gentgeen__ | yosef, I just did "ssh 86.97.46.77" |
| 13:05.39 | quitte | never mind |
| 13:05.41 | gentgeen__ | and I get kevin@86.97.46.77's password: |
| 13:06.00 | gentgeen__ | it is working just fine... give me a username and password and I would be inside :-) |
| 13:06.15 | snitride | dont! |
| 13:06.19 | snitride | :D |
| 13:06.36 | gentgeen__ | snitride, I probably should have added that my self |
| 13:06.38 | liable | we are all trustworthy on irc |
| 13:06.44 | snitride | hehe |
| 13:06.44 | gentgeen__ | I was not asking.... just illustrating |
| 13:06.49 | snitride | okok |
| 13:06.53 | snitride | ;) |
| 13:07.05 | tmroland | how do i use scp ? |
| 13:07.22 | gentgeen__ | Good catch thought, yosef seems like a bit of a newbie... he could have been typing adduser kevin as we spoke :-D |
| 13:07.26 | tmroland | want to copy file from node1 to node2 , im logged in node1 trough ssh |
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| 13:08.09 | yosef | liable: http:pastebin.ca/566427 |
| 13:08.11 | snitride | have a nother question, is there a better app then Xawtv need more control, but it must have a good gui i am a lazy bum |
| 13:08.23 | Fjordside | tmroland, man scp |
| 13:08.27 | tmroland | doesnt help |
| 13:08.33 | tmroland | man scp is not a good manpage |
| 13:08.41 | tmroland | also,there's no example |
| 13:09.04 | tmroland | all there is is a short description and some list of options |
| 13:09.08 | kottlett | hi! my sarge server somehow lost its routing table (static IP setup)! anybody having a hint, what I should look for? :-/ |
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| 13:09.29 | Fjordside | tmroland, try scp --help |
| 13:09.30 | minerale | debian stable is also provided for sparc processors, right? |
| 13:09.37 | liable | yosef: thats good, now from the windows box, type the correct username and ip for the debian box |
| 13:09.51 | Fjordside | tmroland, look at the last lines that indicate how |
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| 13:11.39 | stew | minerale: yes |
| 13:11.53 | gentgeen__ | kottlett, look for a new table :-P |
| 13:12.00 | gentgeen__ | sorry, no clue |
| 13:12.20 | kottlett | gentgeen__: thx, I found another one on my desk ;) |
| 13:12.29 | gentgeen__ | :-) |
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| 13:13.49 | kottlett | gentgeen__: strange thing though... somehow "# host myhostname" didn't work either, even if hostname is properly setup in /etc/hosts and nsswitch.conf is configured for the host file! however, "# ping myhostname" resolved the name properly o_O |
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| 13:15.52 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 13:17.01 | gypsymauro | I'm trying to boot with splash screen on debian etch but if I append the vga=768 (that is 640x480x256) param in kernel image it says that is not good as value |
| 13:17.09 | gypsymauro | I've to enable something? |
| 13:17.12 | snitride | bought myself a tv card hauppauge winTv express and all is working fine, can wath tv etc.. after installing the app i must say, i am not completely satisfied with the prog, recording tv is a bugger, need a better convertion to avi otherwise my hd of 13 GB is full after full after a few seconds :p |
| 13:17.15 | snitride | what to do? |
| 13:17.18 | snitride | what app? |
| 13:17.55 | liable | snitride: which app? you didnt say |
| 13:18.10 | snitride | xawtv |
| 13:18.10 | liable | snitride: get it to encode it before storing |
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| 13:18.22 | incorrect | when recovering a file from lost+found, i seems to have become a special character type |
| 13:18.24 | liable | i have no idea what supports this |
| 13:18.29 | incorrect | is there anyway to recover this? |
| 13:19.43 | snitride | This is xawtv-3.95.dfsg.1, running on Linux/i686 (2.6.20-ck1) |
| 13:20.16 | gentgeen__ | you got a dhcp server/router on your network? that is the only think I can think of as why one works and not the other |
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| 13:20.26 | snitride | ?? |
| 13:20.29 | Danielss89 | hi, im trying to instal vmware on my debian etch server.. |
| 13:20.31 | Danielss89 | im here: What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 13:20.32 | Danielss89 | kernel |
| 13:20.36 | snitride | no good other appz? |
| 13:20.39 | snitride | cmon cant be |
| 13:20.40 | Danielss89 | but i dont know where these are.. |
| 13:20.59 | liable | Danielss89: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 13:21.01 | stew | Danielss89: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
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| 13:21.06 | gentgeen__ | snitride, if it means anything... my mythtv records 1 hour of a program at ~4.4G |
| 13:21.20 | gentgeen__ | 13GB for a "tv recordings" is REALLY small |
| 13:21.29 | Danielss89 | thx liable and stew |
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| 13:21.30 | snitride | 4.4 gb ^^ |
| 13:21.37 | stew | Danielss89: do his first, then mine will be correct |
| 13:21.42 | Danielss89 | yeps¨ |
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| 13:23.37 | gentgeen__ | snitride, opps, 2.2 for one hour |
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| 13:23.55 | ustunozgur | any in flames listeners here? |
| 13:24.02 | gentgeen__ | just double checked... 1 30min is 1.2 |
| 13:24.03 | ustunozgur | oops sorry |
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| 13:24.07 | snitride | that is also heavy.. |
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| 13:25.00 | nofx1 | where can I find the extra repos? multiverse universal? |
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| 13:25.14 | markymarkus | what can i use to re-configure my eth0 from a console besides editing interfases file |
| 13:25.20 | markymarkus | is there any dpkg-reconfigure thing i can use ncurses based or something like that |
| 13:25.30 | snitride | but this cant be with a realy good avi compromisation... |
| 13:25.33 | nofx1 | markymarkus: ifconfig? |
| 13:25.33 | litage_ | markymarkus: there's probably a gui app in kde and gnome |
| 13:25.38 | snitride | 2.2 gb ^^ |
| 13:25.41 | ustunozgur | nofx1: this is not ubuntu. however check debian multimedia. |
| 13:25.44 | markymarkus | from command line |
| 13:25.48 | markymarkus | i know i can use ifconfig eth0... |
| 13:25.52 | markymarkus | it must be dialog base, its for a friend. |
| 13:25.52 | gentgeen__ | nofx1, this is not ubuntu |
| 13:25.52 | litage_ | markymarkus: no idea what they're called though. manually editing /etc/network/interfaces is the easiest way |
| 13:26.06 | nofx1 | ustunozgur: but Im looking for a debian pack... sure of it... 915resolution. to fix my gpu |
| 13:26.15 | markymarkus | there is probably a dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:26.23 | snitride | i whant something like 24 hours and 1 GB |
| 13:26.30 | nofx1 | so I should be lacking some repo... i have only 2 lines on my source.list |
| 13:26.33 | snitride | quality dont mater |
| 13:26.37 | snitride | *matter |
| 13:27.05 | ustunozgur | nofx1: debian source.list is usually much shorter compared to ubuntu. you can even live with one line. |
| 13:27.33 | snitride | but thanks ill try mythtv |
| 13:27.35 | snitride | ;) |
| 13:27.43 | ustunozgur | nofx1: for multimedia stuff that can be distributed due to legal stuff, check http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 13:27.45 | markymarkus | http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/admin/network-console-config |
| 13:27.45 | markymarkus | brb |
| 13:27.46 | liable | mythtv is almost an OS |
| 13:28.09 | gypsymauro | how I can recreate initrd after I loaded new modules? |
| 13:28.23 | liable | snitride: mplayer can display TV and should be able to encode it as well with mencoder |
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| 13:29.34 | nofx1 | ustunozgur: tnx man... i know this is not ubuntu... but Im 99% sure this pack im looking for (915resolution for intel) is for debian.. so.. it should be somewhere.. xD |
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| 13:29.40 | gentgeen__ | snitride, don't install mythtv unless you are doing a new system |
| 13:29.44 | gentgeen__ | would be overkill |
| 13:30.11 | snitride | does this all have a record button with good gui :p or is this a type in china console thingy? |
| 13:30.24 | gentgeen__ | nofx1, search on http://packages.debian.org to see if it is a debian app |
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| 13:30.32 | ustunozgur | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=915resolution |
| 13:30.34 | ustunozgur | yes it is |
| 13:30.42 | ustunozgur | what is in your sources.list nofx1? |
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| 13:31.05 | barteks | hi |
| 13:31.11 | snitride | i want it fast and easy like all man whant to do it :D |
| 13:31.12 | gentgeen__ | snitride, this = ???? |
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| 13:32.18 | snitride | *want wie peinlich |
| 13:32.25 | snitride | :p |
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| 13:33.05 | alecssys | what the fuck is FAM ? ... F ... alteration monitor ? |
| 13:33.06 | markymarkus | is there ANY tool to configure my network from console? |
| 13:33.16 | markymarkus | besides editing the interfases file or using ifconfig, something dialog-based |
| 13:33.16 | cast_ | alecssys: fuke |
| 13:33.22 | cast_ | alecssys: file even |
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| 13:33.34 | snitride | sorry, i always like to write englich with most h`s as possible |
| 13:33.54 | alecssys | cast_: ok ... what the hell is it ? ... i think it halts my pc |
| 13:33.58 | alecssys | because of it |
| 13:34.09 | cast_ | alecssys: well install gamin |
| 13:34.15 | alecssys | huh ? |
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| 13:35.08 | xand | alecssys: F = file |
| 13:35.17 | xand | or maybe filesystem |
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| 13:35.29 | alecssys | OK .. file alteration monitor ... |
| 13:35.35 | cast_ | alecssys: installing gamin will remove fam. |
| 13:35.40 | snitride | aptitude install mythtv .... |
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| 13:35.42 | snitride | :D |
| 13:35.42 | liable | markymarkus: you want to configure from cli but not use ifconfig? |
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| 13:35.48 | rxKaffee | is there a convenient way to specify an alternative repository for just one or two software packages? |
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| 13:36.07 | liable | markymarkus: like a cli menu based thing? |
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| 13:36.16 | markymarkus | liable: positive |
| 13:36.18 | markymarkus | liable: yes |
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| 13:36.24 | t35t0r | ok i'm really confused ..the dumpuser on the amanda server is uid=5000(amandabackup) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel). I have home directories to the amanda server NFS'd no_root_squash. Some directories are rwx for the user only such that if i su - amandabackup and try to cd into those directories I can't. After the amdump it seems I can go into the amrecover shell and list and extract from those directories which I couldn't cd into as the amandabackup u |
| 13:36.24 | t35t0r | ser ..how is this possible? |
| 13:36.42 | liable | markymarkus: there isnt one :( ifconfig is it, or ip (iproute package) |
| 13:36.45 | rxKaffee | markymarkus: knoppix has netcard-config that might be availiable or portable to debian |
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| 13:37.44 | gentgeen__ | markymarkus, why can't you just edit /etc/network/interface ? |
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| 13:41.41 | nofx1 | gentgeen__: ahh thats what im talking about xD tnx.... |
| 13:42.18 | abrotman | rxKaffee: pinning |
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| 13:42.33 | abrotman | markymarkus: there is .. uhm .. netconf ? |
| 13:42.33 | nofx1 | ustunozgur: I have deb securitity debian.. etch main... and deb src this one |
| 13:43.11 | Noborusan | hi abrotman ,how are you |
| 13:43.11 | dpkg | Noborusan: pretty good. how about you? |
| 13:43.11 | aptitude | Noborusan: you know how it is... |
| 13:43.18 | markymarkus | netconf? |
| 13:43.38 | liable | wtf? |
| 13:43.53 | ustunozgur | nofx1: then try adding contrib extras at the end of the etch main one |
| 13:43.54 | liable | why did the bots talk back? |
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| 13:44.03 | badcfe | spooky |
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| 13:44.15 | ustunozgur | nofx1: contrib non-free |
| 13:44.55 | ustunozgur | nofx1: for ex: mine reads: deb http://ftp.tr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 13:45.04 | markomarky | there is no netconf on my Debian dude. |
| 13:45.10 | ustunozgur | of course that http should be different for you, and testing should be stable |
| 13:45.16 | nofx1 | ustunozgur: got the picture... ty |
| 13:45.26 | ustunozgur | np |
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| 13:46.03 | liable | hi abrotman ,how are you |
| 13:46.04 | dpkg | liable: you know how it is... |
| 13:46.04 | aptitude | peachy, liable |
| 13:46.22 | liable | hi foo ,how are you |
| 13:46.23 | aptitude | liable: mas o menos |
| 13:46.23 | dpkg | liable: you know how it is... |
| 13:46.27 | liable | hrm |
| 13:46.29 | markomarky | how do i check wether my samba has kerberos support? |
| 13:46.48 | liable | i wonder ,debian |
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| 13:47.10 | nofx1 | mine reads main contrib .. I found the packet on i386 stable (packages.debian.org) shouldnt it be avaibale without adding repos then? |
| 13:47.23 | abrotman | !info netenv etch |
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| 13:48.09 | cast_ | hmm, will vmware gsx run under xen dom0? |
| 13:48.25 | dpkg | netenv: (Configure your system for different network environments), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.94.3-21 (etch), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
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| 13:49.33 | spheard | !hostname |
| 13:49.33 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 13:50.03 | markomarky | thanks a lot dude. |
| 13:50.21 | rxKaffee | abrotman: where can I find some more info about this pinning ya mention? this dpkgbot have something about it maybe? |
| 13:50.47 | ustunozgur | nofx1: it should be in the main I guess. Do an "apt-get update" |
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| 13:51.10 | ustunozgur | what does "apt-cache search 915resolution" yield? |
| 13:51.21 | Noborusan | what is the eastest method to share internet with my PC ? |
| 13:51.40 | Noborusan | i mean, the server runs debian etch,connects to internet |
| 13:51.55 | Noborusan | The client is a PC runs xp. |
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| 13:52.42 | liable | !ipmasq |
| 13:52.42 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 13:53.57 | rxKaffee | I used ta have a nice short iptables line that did ICS |
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| 13:54.15 | rxKaffee | took the one iptables line, and then setting some /proc file to value1 instead of 0 |
| 13:55.02 | markomarky | how do i apt-get install samba with kerberos support? |
| 13:55.08 | markomarky | libpam-krb5 was just installed on my system. |
| 13:55.08 | liable | echo 1> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 14:01.53 | abrotman | rxKaffee: /msg dpkg pinning ? |
| 14:01.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I use nmap to list every device in my LAN? |
| 14:02.05 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: man nmap |
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| 14:02.11 | nofx1 | ok.. i have contrib main non-free... it says the packet exist ( http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/915resolution ) Ive aptitude update .. aptitude install 915resolution... not found.... |
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| 14:02.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | I read the man page, and I turned into a questionmark |
| 14:02.25 | abrotman | read it again .. it's there and it tells you how to do it |
| 14:02.32 | xand | Dark_Apostrophe: well, that'll not necessarily work anyway |
| 14:02.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand: ? |
| 14:02.43 | xand | if they're firewalled |
| 14:02.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's a LAN |
| 14:02.55 | xand | yes, so? |
| 14:02.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | All Debian. |
| 14:03.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | I set them up... |
| 14:03.07 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: read the man page |
| 14:03.10 | rxKaffee | abrotman: ah, thanks :) hrm... seems dpkg says not to pinn though since I'm on stable... :/ that mean it just flat won't work? or just that I should take caution in possible dependency issues? |
| 14:03.20 | xand | well if it's the default then I guess it will work, or you could use ping -b |
| 14:03.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | IIRC, I didn't install selinux, iptables or anything' |
| 14:03.32 | Shadda | I seem to have kludged something on my local box (on my network). I had squid setup, which had me add a rule to iptables redirecting all traffic on port 80 to squid at port 8080. When I took squid down, I flushed iptables. I can get to my webserver via localhost, but not via http://<hostname> from any other computer on my network, nor can I telnet to it on port 80 from anything but localhost |
| 14:03.43 | Shadda | Anyone have a guess as to what I screwed up? :) |
| 14:03.45 | abrotman | rxKaffee: try to be a bit more descriptive with your problem |
| 14:03.47 | liable | braodcast ping should find all ifaces |
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| 14:03.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand: How do I do that with ping? |
| 14:04.13 | rxKaffee | abrotman: I'm running stable, but there's a couple of specific development(php stuff) packages that I'd like apt to track updates to from testing |
| 14:04.22 | liable | oh, i *am* a bit slow aint i |
| 14:04.25 | xand | Dark_Apostrophe: I said, -b |
| 14:04.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | I did.. |
| 14:04.34 | xand | Dark_Apostrophe: ping -b <broadcast> |
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| 14:04.36 | rnix | hi, i have a problem with ssl and apache on etch. the browser connects to port 443 and than hangs. no message in the error.log. anybody sharing the same troubles? |
| 14:04.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | darkapostrophe@Shadowfax:~$ ping -b 192.168.0.* |
| 14:04.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | ping: unknown host 192.168.0.* |
| 14:04.55 | xand | 192.168.0.255 |
| 14:05.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh |
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| 14:06.38 | aia | Hi there, I need to know about NIS (BIND) |
| 14:06.51 | aia | Is there any bug in this service?! |
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| 14:06.59 | abrotman | !bts |
| 14:07.00 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:07.06 | aia | Im trying to setup a NIS server, but this one do not export the groups which users are inserted |
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| 14:08.38 | aia | Is there anyone free to help me !? |
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| 14:09.31 | nekrox | hola |
| 14:09.38 | nekrox | desde debian.org |
| 14:09.48 | nekrox | no se puede descargar una version antigua de debian? |
| 14:09.54 | Ronin | !br |
| 14:09.55 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:10.07 | Ronin | or at least i think |
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| 14:12.07 | aia | Im trying to setup a NIS server, but this one do not export the groups which users are inserted |
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| 14:12.30 | q1w2e3r4 | Hi @ all =) |
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| 14:13.00 | q1w2e3r4 | I am searching for a way to download torrentfiles in a command line system. someone may help? |
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| 14:13.06 | abrotman | rtorrent |
| 14:13.14 | q1w2e3r4 | is there a debian package? |
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| 14:13.20 | test | anyway i can make files being copied to a specific directory to automaticlly have group rw permission ? |
| 14:13.25 | Ronin | q1w2e3r4: several |
| 14:13.45 | q1w2e3r4 | hm, i only found a source package on their page and i cant compile it ^^ |
| 14:14.00 | Ronin | q1w2e3r4: why compile? use aptitude |
| 14:14.11 | stew | test: by setting umask to 002 from the default 022 |
| 14:14.16 | q1w2e3r4 | aptitude install rtorrent ? |
| 14:14.31 | stew | q1w2e3r4: yes |
| 14:15.02 | q1w2e3r4 | shell: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "rtorrent" |
| 14:15.15 | stew | q1w2e3r4: what version fo debian are you running? |
| 14:15.33 | aia | when I use ypcat group to recover the groups exported by server, the client do not receive the group created by server |
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| 14:15.44 | q1w2e3r4 | Debian 3.4.3-13 |
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| 14:16.02 | stew | q1w2e3r4: there was no such version. there was a 3.1 and now there is a 4.0 |
| 14:16.23 | aia | Hi stew |
| 14:16.24 | q1w2e3r4 | this was written in /proc/version |
| 14:16.31 | aia | Do you remember me ?? S4nD3r |
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| 14:16.38 | riorobert | I have installed nvidia driver from nvidia.com and it worked just fine, but after every reboot X crashes and i must reinstall the drivers |
| 14:16.38 | stew | q1w2e3r4: so this isnt' linux? |
| 14:16.51 | q1w2e3r4 | sure its linux :-) |
| 14:16.55 | test | stew, copy command doesnt respect umask , only newly created files |
| 14:17.09 | stew | q1w2e3r4: the lastest version of linux is 2.6.21, i don't know how you would have a 3.4.3 version of linux |
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| 14:17.13 | S4nD3r | .. |
| 14:17.18 | q1w2e3r4 | Linux version 2.6.14.7 |
| 14:17.22 | stew | test: i believe that is correct |
| 14:17.27 | stew | q1w2e3r4: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:17.28 | q1w2e3r4 | Thats my kernel |
| 14:17.31 | test | stew, so what to do |
| 14:17.35 | stew | test: use chmod |
| 14:17.47 | q1w2e3r4 | Debian version is 3.4.3-13 |
| 14:17.49 | test | stew, there are tousands of users and files i cant tell them to use chmod everytime |
| 14:17.53 | q1w2e3r4 | woody or sarge i think |
| 14:17.56 | Ronin | q1w2e3r4: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:18.08 | q1w2e3r4 | 3.1 |
| 14:18.15 | S4nD3r | stew, Do you know about NIS(BIND) |
| 14:18.42 | stew | q1w2e3r4: show us the output of " apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 rtorrent " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:19.13 | stew | S4nD3r: not really. i've only been exposed to it as a user |
| 14:19.45 | S4nD3r | thanks anyway |
| 14:19.46 | q1w2e3r4 | stew, http://rafb.net/p/lK73JX19.html |
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| 14:20.32 | abrotman | !+info rtorrent sarge |
| 14:20.34 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 14:20.48 | liable | q1w2e3r4: if you are using woody, firstly why? and secondly rtorrent is available for woody, it wasnt even made when woody was released |
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| 14:20.55 | liable | not in sarge either |
| 14:21.03 | q1w2e3r4 | hmmm |
| 14:21.06 | stew | q1w2e3r4: so it looks like you are running "sarge" aka "oldstable" (can't really be verified without knowing, for instance, your libc6 version). you should consider upgrading to etch, (the current stable), /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 14:21.07 | liable | s/is/isnt/ |
| 14:21.11 | q1w2e3r4 | its just an old server of mine |
| 14:21.14 | zinx | !info rtorrent sarge |
| 14:21.20 | q1w2e3r4 | i want it to get useful to me ^^ |
| 14:21.22 | stew | rtorrent is not in sarge |
| 14:21.22 | abrotman | the bot is slow |
| 14:21.40 | zinx | abrotman: only once! |
| 14:21.42 | dpkg | Package 'rtorrent' does not exist. |
| 14:21.48 | riorobert | I have installed nvidia driver from nvidia.com and it worked just fine, but after every reboot X crashes and i must reinstall the drivers |
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| 14:22.08 | q1w2e3r4 | Anyway, thanks for your help guys :-) |
| 14:22.19 | q1w2e3r4 | I may have to upgrade that server |
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| 14:22.43 | stew | q1w2e3r4: you can also check backports for a backported version of rtorrent: /msg dpkg bpo ; /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:22.57 | zinx | isn't etch stable now, anyway |
| 14:23.01 | q1w2e3r4 | aaah, good idea |
| 14:23.03 | Ronin | zinx: yes |
| 14:23.08 | zinx | why not just upgrade to etch? :P |
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| 14:23.31 | q1w2e3r4 | box is always buisy, thats the prob ^^ |
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| 14:23.56 | zinx | that's what scheduled maintenance and backup servers are for |
| 14:24.04 | norc | riorobert: use the nvidia-kernel .debs (add non-free to your apt source) |
| 14:24.50 | q1w2e3r4 | arg, im no company with much ressources. im just running a private server for my school ^^ |
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| 14:25.09 | q1w2e3r4 | anyway, i think i'll update :> |
| 14:25.13 | Ronin | q1w2e3r4: schedule an update, let users know etc. |
| 14:25.13 | norc | riorobert: nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` :-) |
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| 14:26.44 | cubiq | Can I determine if a file is linked? |
| 14:26.48 | qrck | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.00 | zinx | cubiq: yes. |
| 14:27.20 | norc | cubiq: `file` is what you need I think. :-) |
| 14:27.23 | riorobert | norc: no that doesn't work... properly as the drivers from nvidia.com... But someone must know why the x crashes after every reboot when i install it.. |
| 14:27.34 | cubiq | zinx: OK, even symbolic links? |
| 14:27.35 | norc | riorobert: why doesn't that work |
| 14:27.39 | norc | cubiq: yes. |
| 14:27.44 | zinx | cubiq: you can determine if a file is a symbolic link |
| 14:28.03 | cubiq | zinx: yes I know but I want the other way around. IS this file linked. |
| 14:28.05 | zinx | cubiq: to determine if anything's linked to it, you'll have to check every possible file in every possible filesystem for a link, however. |
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| 14:28.12 | norc | cubiq: `file filename` will give you detailed information |
| 14:28.14 | zinx | cubiq: much easier with hard links - those have a link count :P |
| 14:28.16 | cubiq | zinx: He he :) |
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| 14:28.17 | cubiq | najs |
| 14:28.18 | norc | or wait |
| 14:28.26 | norc | cubiq: for this task file will be your tool. |
| 14:28.30 | norc | *find |
| 14:28.31 | norc | meh |
| 14:28.34 | flixil | hi |
| 14:28.40 | norc | ;-) |
| 14:28.56 | cubiq | norc: OK, I want to code it in C so file would do :) |
| 14:29.05 | cubiq | But I need hardlinks right? |
| 14:29.12 | norc | cubiq: what for |
| 14:29.28 | norc | cubiq: a symlink points to a hardlink |
| 14:29.29 | cubiq | So that I can count how many time the files been linked? |
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| 14:29.45 | riorobert | norc: i had it installed yesterday and cannot have it work after the kernel was updated... |
| 14:29.49 | ma3x | how do i load the synaptcs driver? modprobe synaptics says module not found |
| 14:29.57 | cubiq | Can I determine if a file has a symbolik link to itsself with the 'file'? |
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| 14:30.07 | norc | cubiq: `file filename` |
| 14:30.08 | mrec | hi, does anyone know a benchmark livecd? |
| 14:30.19 | cubiq | norc: OK, thanks. Testing now :) |
| 14:30.41 | norc | cubiq: If you want to find all hardlinks to an inode of symlinks to a file `find' is what you need |
| 14:30.50 | norc | s/of/or/ |
| 14:30.58 | stew | ma3x: just enable it in xorg.conf, "man synaptics" |
| 14:31.10 | cubiq | norc: thats ok I just don't want to remove a file which has a link pointed to it. |
| 14:31.27 | stew | ma3x: or /msg dpkg synaptics |
| 14:31.29 | flixil | I'm in SID. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't let me choose Modules, and the Modules seccion isn't in xorg.cong either. Is there a way to make dpkg show me it? |
| 14:31.30 | ma3x | stew, I did enable it in xorg.conf |
| 14:31.34 | norc | riorobert: Have you tried apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` |
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| 14:31.54 | zinx | cubiq: the only way to do that with soft links is to check all filesystems for soft links to that file. |
| 14:31.59 | stew | ma3x: its probably being loaded then |
| 14:32.11 | ma3x | stew, dpkg says if its not working try modprobe -r psmouse and then modporbe psmouse |
| 14:32.18 | ma3x | stew, psmouse is not synaptics right? |
| 14:32.31 | zinx | cubiq: soft links don't even have to be pointing to a valid file, or a file on the same filesystem, etc, so they do not update the file they point to in any way |
| 14:32.34 | norc | cubiq: then use hardlinks instead of symlinks |
| 14:32.49 | cubiq | norc: OK, thanks. |
| 14:33.10 | norc | cubiq: this way you dont have to worry about that, because a file gets removed if *all* hardlinks to the inode are deleted |
| 14:33.21 | wols | which rtxxxx package do I need for a ralink rt2561/rt61 wlan card? |
| 14:33.30 | wols | there is rt2500-source and rt2x00-source |
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| 14:33.47 | ma3x | stew, I forgot to add Load "synaptics" to xorg |
| 14:33.52 | stew | ma3x: psmouse is the kernel driver that synaptics uses to talk to the hardware |
| 14:34.00 | ma3x | stew, but doesnt that do modprobe synaptics? |
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| 14:34.16 | ma3x | stew, that kernel driver is buggy, that's why I want to use directly synaptics |
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| 14:34.23 | norc | cubiq: But please note that hardlinks only work in the same filesystem, if you need links pointing to other filesystems then you *need* symlinks |
| 14:34.46 | stew | ma3x: there is no synaptics kernel driver |
| 14:34.54 | stew | ma3x: which kernel driver is buggy? |
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| 14:35.02 | ma3x | stew, psmouse (.c) |
| 14:35.16 | Ch0Hag | Is there a channel more suited to dev-trype questions| |
| 14:35.18 | Ch0Hag | ? |
| 14:35.22 | stew | ma3x: then you'll have to use a usb mouse or a serial mouse instead, you won't be able to use synaptics |
| 14:35.43 | ma3x | stew, why do I have to use the kernel driver? |
| 14:35.43 | xand | Ch0Hag: on oftc there are various dev questions, what specifically? |
| 14:35.53 | xand | erm, s/questions/channels/ |
| 14:35.56 | stew | ma3x: hwo else are you going to talk to the hardware? |
| 14:35.57 | flixil | What does /var/lib/x11/X.md5sum is? Does it represents if xorg.conf have been modified? |
| 14:36.03 | fireba11 | where does apt-get take info if to install a 32-bit verison or a 64-bit one ? on one box i ended up with xfs_fsr in 32-bit version taht won't work with 64-bit kernel |
| 14:36.06 | Ch0Hag | I'm wordering what are the rules on modifying configuration files of other packages. |
| 14:36.19 | norc | fireba11: that dependes on what installation CD you took |
| 14:36.32 | ma3x | stew, but from time to time I get errors like these: psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio2/input0 lost sync at byte 1 |
| 14:36.32 | ma3x | psmouse.c: issuing reconnect request |
| 14:36.33 | norc | at least it should |
| 14:36.37 | Ch0Hag | Not necessarily in Debian proper, for a derived distro, but I want to do things as cleanly as I can. |
| 14:36.48 | fireba11 | norc : is that info stored in some config file ? |
| 14:36.50 | ma3x | stew, the mouse pointer goes crazy, then gets disabled for 10 secs |
| 14:36.57 | tarzeau | can i have http://www.opensound.com/ with debian gnu/linux ? |
| 14:36.59 | stew | ma3x: sounds like a hardware problem |
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| 14:37.21 | cahoot | I think ma3x is right |
| 14:37.27 | norc | fireba11: My guess would be that it just checks /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:37.27 | ma3x | stew, not at all google with those 2 lines i pasted and you ll see how many people have that problem |
| 14:37.38 | Ch0Hag | eg. I want a package which configures, say, /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/inittab. |
| 14:38.03 | Ch0Hag | And I want to know what, if anything, is the 'right' way to do it. |
| 14:38.15 | cahoot | ma3x, tried psmouse.proto=imps as boot parm? |
| 14:38.17 | norc | Ch0Hag: update-grub |
| 14:38.24 | norc | that will create the menu.lst |
| 14:38.31 | Ch0Hag | Yes. Yes it will. |
| 14:38.41 | ma3x | cahoot, should that solve it? |
| 14:38.50 | Ch0Hag | Not the way I want it though. |
| 14:38.54 | norc | Ch0Hag: what do you mean |
| 14:39.13 | cahoot | ma3x, it has benn suggested - not tried myself |
| 14:39.15 | Ch0Hag | I want to know what the rules are for configuring another packages files. |
| 14:39.16 | stew | dunno, i've never had any problems like that with synaptics / psmouse |
| 14:39.22 | Ch0Hag | grub is just an example. |
| 14:39.44 | norc | Ch0Hag: Sorry, I still dont understand. |
| 14:39.47 | ma3x | stew, its not synaptics, it's just psmouse causing the problem |
| 14:39.52 | Ch0Hag | Is it a case of "don't do it at all", and I'm on my own, or is there some procedure or other. |
| 14:40.02 | bolt | can anyone tell me what the hey /etc/.pwd.lock is? it's an empty file in my /etc/ directory, i know that, but what's it used for? |
| 14:40.09 | norc | Ch0Hag: you can change your /etc/kernel-img.conf which is the configuration for apt that tells apt what to execute after installing a new kjernel |
| 14:40.12 | norc | kernel |
| 14:40.28 | stew | but "lost sync" sounds like a hardware problem to me. psmouse has been around for so long that its hard for me to believe its some lurking software bug, but, i dunno |
| 14:40.46 | norc | Ch0Hag: You can always write it yourself, or let update-grub generate it and modify it yourself |
| 14:40.49 | norc | whatever you want |
| 14:40.53 | ma3x | how do you separate boot params? with space or coma? |
| 14:40.59 | stew | ma3x: space |
| 14:40.59 | norc | But there is no standardized form as far as I know |
| 14:41.02 | ma3x | thanks |
| 14:41.11 | Ch0Hag | Yes, but what are the rules for a package modifying another package's configuration files? |
| 14:41.16 | norc | ma3x: in grub just spaces |
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| 14:41.21 | ma3x | ok got it |
| 14:41.25 | norc | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-486 root=/dev/sda2 ro singl |
| 14:41.26 | norc | like this |
| 14:41.27 | norc | :-) |
| 14:41.27 | Ch0Hag | Some sed, or some perl in the {pre,post}inst. |
| 14:41.38 | norc | Ch0Hag: write your own script then |
| 14:41.40 | stew | except, don't actually edit that line, of course |
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| 14:42.04 | norc | Ch0Hag: there are no specific rules |
| 14:42.18 | norc | at least not that im concerned |
| 14:42.49 | Ch0Hag | Right. |
| 14:42.55 | Ch0Hag | So I'm just going to have to munge it. |
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| 14:44.45 | omeres | this is my first meeting here, where are the rules please ? |
| 14:45.07 | Danielss89 | !rules |
| 14:45.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 14:45.11 | Ronin | omeres: ask your debian question/s and be patient |
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| 14:45.29 | fireba11 | apt-get installed a 32-bit package on my 64-bit system .. how the hell can that happen and how can i get the right one ? |
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| 14:45.32 | liable | omeres: freenode.net has guidlines on the web site |
| 14:45.37 | xand | also |
| 14:45.38 | xand | !paste |
| 14:45.38 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 14:45.51 | nofx1 | hmm should I use iceweasel to install firefox ? or there is a new jedi way? |
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| 14:45.53 | omeres | thx for the advices |
| 14:46.02 | Ronin | nofx1: iceweasel is firefox |
| 14:46.24 | nofx1 | Ronin: yup.. just to check if that info is up-to-date |
| 14:46.25 | abrotman | stew: i was goign to pass this to mrs stew .. but is MIA .. http://replay.tickets.com/buy/TicketResaleServlet?orgid=21714&agency=RSOX_REPLAY |
| 14:46.44 | nofx1 | Ronin: so its just add testing on my source.list, and install iceweasel? |
| 14:46.52 | stew | abrotman: i'll summon her |
| 14:47.04 | wols | what driver do I need for a ralink rt2561/rt61? rt2500 won't show an interface :( |
| 14:47.15 | stew | abrotman: the shell server she uses rebooted last night for some reason |
| 14:47.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I manually set my IP in sid? |
| 14:47.42 | abrotman | stew: uhm .. some reason? |
| 14:47.47 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 14:47.54 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: or man ifconfig |
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| 14:47.58 | stew | abrotman: probably that the building it is housed in has crappy power |
| 14:48.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Thanks |
| 14:48.09 | Ronin | nofx1: no, if you run etch and have firefox installed iirc you have iceweasel |
| 14:48.17 | abrotman | stew: ah ok |
| 14:48.26 | Ronin | hmm that didnt make sense |
| 14:48.54 | stew | abrotman: we only stuck it there for a temporary secondary dns/mail, but they are seemingly letting us keep it there and its got good bandwidth |
| 14:49.03 | abrotman | and crappy power! |
| 14:49.06 | abrotman | UPS time! |
| 14:49.07 | stew | yes |
| 14:49.19 | nofx1 | Ronin: ok. i got it. no problems with the name... just wanna know how to install it.... |
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| 14:49.43 | stew | abrotman: their upses are overloaded, and i don't care enough to buy one, and if i put one there, it increases the chance that they say something about the fact that the box is still there |
| 14:49.53 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 14:51.23 | fireba11 | where does apt get the info if to install a 32-bit or a 64-bit package |
| 14:51.26 | tchernaya | hello, i'm running on the testing debian |
| 14:51.46 | stew | abrotman: these are either signle seats or crazy expensive or both |
| 14:51.54 | tchernaya | and the sylpheed-claws-gtk2 packet uninstall themselve when i make an apt-get -u dist-ugprade |
| 14:52.02 | stew | fireba11: "dpkg-architecture" |
| 14:52.16 | abrotman | stew: i realize that .. but it's an alternative to stubhub .. something you might find useful |
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| 14:52.20 | tchernaya | and now, i can't receive it again... |
| 14:52.33 | abrotman | stew: i imagine the seat selection/price was a lot better earlier in the season |
| 14:52.38 | tchernaya | somebody has some explanation??? |
| 14:52.59 | abrotman | stew: if you were actually trying to go to a game |
| 14:53.00 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:53.22 | fireba11 | stew : thanks |
| 14:53.23 | stew | tchernaya: /msg dpkg why is sylpheed-claws-gtk2 not in testing |
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| 14:54.59 | taime1 | is there a command that will tell me how much memory is in my machine? |
| 14:55.09 | abrotman | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 14:55.13 | taime1 | thanks |
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| 14:55.56 | tarzeau | hello, i'm running on the sid debian |
| 14:56.15 | stew | !popcon |
| 14:56.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:56.34 | fireba11 | stew : dpkg-architecture says it's i386 but uname -a 2.6.18-4-amd64 ... is that noraml ? |
| 14:56.36 | fireba11 | normal |
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| 14:57.40 | pedro_mg | i can't get rubygems to work in Etch. Path problem ? |
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| 14:58.14 | stew | fireba11: running a 64 bit kernel and a 32 bit userland is not uncommon |
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| 14:58.15 | ma3x | any idea why my clock counts slowly? |
| 14:58.21 | stew | pedro_mg: can you be more specific? |
| 14:58.32 | ma3x | i thought it updates wrong after midnight, but now i see that it counts too slow |
| 14:58.41 | ma3x | for half a day it comes late 15 mins |
| 14:58.44 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg ntp |
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| 14:59.12 | pedro_mg | i installed rubygems correctly via apt-get, but ruby cant seem to use the installed libs from gem install etc |
| 14:59.26 | fireba11 | stew problem is xfs_fsr is failing with a stupid error and it seems there is a 32-bit lib missing .. maybe i'd need the 64-bit version for my 64-bit kernel, question is how can i get that installed ? |
| 14:59.33 | ma3x | stew, if I use ntp, can i configure it to go forward 10 mins? i prefer to have it this way |
| 14:59.40 | abrotman | it has a drift file |
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| 15:00.28 | ma3x | i dont understand that word. config file you mean? |
| 15:00.30 | stew | ma3x: if you run the ntp daemon, it will track your clock drift continuously and compensate for it |
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| 15:01.01 | stew | fireba11: you don't need 64 bit libs just because you have a 64 bit kernel |
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| 15:01.22 | ma3x | ah this is just great - every time i update the time, it exits to the console |
| 15:01.24 | ma3x | kills my x |
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| 15:01.34 | abrotman | screensaver ? |
| 15:01.35 | pedro_mg | "sudo gem install camping" installs ok, but then i cant use camping. |
| 15:01.36 | cahoot | ma3x, did the boot parameter do any good? |
| 15:01.37 | `` | what directory is the cd binary at? I can't find it anywhere. |
| 15:01.43 | ma3x | abrotman, nope, screensaver is off |
| 15:01.58 | ma3x | cahoot, no idea i have put it there but not rebooted yet |
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| 15:02.03 | stew | ``: cd isn't a binary, its a built-in shell function |
| 15:02.05 | fireba11 | stew : true .. but somehow it wornt work on that box .. on another with 64-bit systems and the same kernel it works fine |
| 15:02.16 | `` | stew: ahh. thanks |
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| 15:04.24 | markit | I do have to install samba from official site sources... will it compromise my debian creating unused files/directory that will be hard to remove once debian will fix the bugs I have to avoid? |
| 15:04.45 | stew | fireba11: perhaps you should ask #debian-amd64 ? |
| 15:04.59 | fireba11 | asked ther but to no avail up to now |
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| 15:06.11 | test | why is umask ignored by cp? |
| 15:07.01 | ma3x | hey abrotman this drift file contains 0.000 is that second? |
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| 15:07.18 | abrotman | ma3x: i think the ntp docs cover this |
| 15:07.19 | stew | test: how about cp --no-preserve=mode |
| 15:07.26 | rahul | wtf |
| 15:07.33 | rahul | that damn stoned |
| 15:07.41 | VITIHO_ | hey, is libsndfile1 broken in unstable? |
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| 15:08.01 | stew | VITIHO_: /msg dpkg bts |
| 15:08.14 | fireba11 | stew : any guesses ? dmsg says something about a ioctl32 error |
| 15:08.30 | stew | fireba11: dunno |
| 15:09.06 | fireba11 | stew: it's not critical but that's the first tiem a debian package didn't wor out of the box and i#m bugged by it :-) |
| 15:09.14 | ma3x | abrotman, i think it doesnt cover it |
| 15:09.18 | stew | fireba11: checked the bts? |
| 15:09.28 | ma3x | abrotman, i checked usr share doc |
| 15:09.29 | test | stew, same |
| 15:09.33 | valdyn | fireba11: tell us what error thijs really is and which kernel you are using |
| 15:09.44 | ma3x | abrotman, manpage neither |
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| 15:10.42 | cj | hey all |
| 15:11.08 | cj | could someone point me to the docs on building a custom kernel? |
| 15:11.19 | valdyn | !custom kernel |
| 15:11.19 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 15:11.27 | fireba11 | valdyn : "xfs_fsr /dev/md4" says "/srv start inode=0 unable to get handle: /srv: Invalid argument" and dmesg | tail -1 says "ioctl32(xfs_fsr:16416): Unknown cmd fd(4) cmd(c01c5868){00} arg(ffbe5b1c) on /srv" |
| 15:11.33 | VITIHO_ | stew, thanks :) |
| 15:11.49 | Muisje | Rofl |
| 15:11.58 | Muisje | ispconfig doesn't let me remove accounts |
| 15:12.01 | stew | ma3x: you shouldn't need to know. but it can't possibly be 'seconds' it would have to be 'seconds /second' or something, and i'd guess its probably something closer to 'ms/hour' or 'ms/5minutes' |
| 15:12.11 | fireba11 | Muisje: hm ? |
| 15:12.25 | stew | ma3x: mine says -78.900 |
| 15:12.55 | ma3x | stew, that reverses it back to 78 secs? |
| 15:13.02 | ma3x | or it makes it go forward? |
| 15:13.09 | valdyn | fireba11: the kernel? |
| 15:13.27 | fireba11 | valdyn : oh, sorry, forgot 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 19:17:44 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:14.26 | stew | ma3x: i have no idea what that does, but i'd guess it means "this clock seems to lose 78 miliseconds every hour" or something like that |
| 15:14.27 | valdyn | fireba11: what if you give 'xfs_fsr /srv' ? |
| 15:14.36 | stew | ma3x: its not offset, but rate of offset |
| 15:14.52 | fireba11 | valdyn: exactly the same |
| 15:14.59 | ma3x | stew, why is it so difficult for the system clock to count precisely? |
| 15:15.07 | valdyn | fireba11: interesting, i think this should already be in the bts. |
| 15:15.10 | Muisje | fireba11 i'm logged in as admin, and i made an error adding clients |
| 15:15.19 | ma3x | i mean it used to work good before. now it goes back for half an hour every 24 hours |
| 15:15.23 | Muisje | Now i want to remove them, i go to the account and click delete, but they remain to exist... |
| 15:15.27 | bahadunn | ma3x: clocks are not accurate |
| 15:15.29 | stew | ma3x: and like i said. you don't need to know anything about this file, or that it exists at all |
| 15:15.31 | bahadunn | ma3x: use ntp |
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| 15:15.36 | stew | ma3x: i don't know. i'm not an electrical engineer |
| 15:15.47 | stew | bahadunn: that's what we are talking about |
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| 15:15.52 | fireba11 | Muisje: hm .. never tried to delete anyone yet .. :-) |
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| 15:16.00 | bahadunn | stew: oh ok |
| 15:16.12 | stew | bahadunn: he's asking about the format of the ntp drift file |
| 15:16.18 | fireba11 | valdyn: so it's actually a bug not some wirdness i managed to create ? :-) |
| 15:16.24 | rahul | ma3x: timekeeping devices are very sensitive to stuff like temperature, humidity, exact size |
| 15:16.27 | Matic`Makovec | Is there any other tool next to GIMP that has similar/same use? |
| 15:16.38 | stoned | rahul: size? |
| 15:16.44 | rahul | ma3x: there's a reason why a good quartz watch costs a lot |
| 15:16.48 | rahul | stoned: yeah |
| 15:16.49 | bahadunn | stew: ah |
| 15:16.56 | rahul | stoned: you missed one hell of a show |
| 15:17.01 | rahul | mosh pit and all |
| 15:17.12 | stoned | don't know don't care, I was sleeping. |
| 15:17.15 | rahul | loser |
| 15:17.19 | rahul | I'm in pain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:17.30 | ma3x | stew, this ntp thing updates every hour or when restarted via etc init.d right? |
| 15:17.31 | stew | stoned: rahul -> #debian-offtopic |
| 15:17.34 | valdyn | fireba11: im not sure. I do find it strange that such a bug that should be years old is not in the bts |
| 15:17.38 | stew | ma3x: ever 5 minutes afaik |
| 15:17.40 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: it updates continously, actually. |
| 15:17.45 | valdyn | fireba11: ^^ makes it sound probable that its just your system |
| 15:18.02 | fireba11 | valdyn : true . on the real 64-bit system it works normally |
| 15:18.04 | ma3x | stew, so can I set it to update +10 more minutes forward |
| 15:18.05 | rahul | stew: I have no more to say on that topic to such a loser anyway :) |
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| 15:18.23 | ma3x | like if the time from server.ntp.org is 10:00 to set mine 10:10 ? |
| 15:18.28 | rahul | ma3x: that doesn't make sense |
| 15:18.31 | stoned | rahul: dude I get a warning just cuz you addressed me with that stuff. cut it out. |
| 15:18.38 | ma3x | rahul, i prefer to have forward10 mins my clock |
| 15:18.42 | ma3x | how come that wouldnt make sense? |
| 15:18.49 | ma3x | it does to me |
| 15:18.49 | rahul | ma3x: what does that even mean? |
| 15:18.53 | stew | ma3x: i think you'd probably have to do something like create your own time zone |
| 15:18.57 | valdyn | fireba11: hold on, i can actually test this live too |
| 15:18.58 | rahul | right |
| 15:19.06 | stoned | heh, create a personal time zone |
| 15:19.10 | rahul | ma3x: do you live in a strange time zone? |
| 15:19.14 | stew | ma3x: i doubt that ntp has built in ability to make sure you time is incorrect |
| 15:19.18 | ma3x | yeah i live on mars |
| 15:19.21 | rahul | stew: haha |
| 15:19.25 | fireba11 | valdyn: okay .. work finished 20 mins ago, but it's pouring cats and dogs anyway |
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| 15:19.32 | ma3x | damn why is it so complicated |
| 15:19.38 | rahul | if you just want to have your clock be wrong, don't sync it |
| 15:19.39 | ma3x | if you have a watch on your hand for example |
| 15:19.49 | valdyn | fireba11: installing xfsdump in my chroot, just 1 minute.. |
| 15:19.51 | ma3x | you'd set it 10 minutes forward so that you won't be late for work .... |
| 15:19.56 | bahadunn | I feel too repressed |
| 15:19.58 | fireba11 | valdyn: no hurry :-) |
| 15:20.03 | bahadunn | I must free myself |
| 15:20.21 | rahul | ma3x: wow, that's dumb |
| 15:20.39 | stew | rahul: please keep it constructive |
| 15:20.45 | ma3x | rahul, |
| 15:20.50 | ma3x | it makes sense to me |
| 15:20.53 | ma3x | stew, possible or not? |
| 15:20.57 | fireba11 | ma3x: it's rather compicated to make a watch be always precise . .and you want that on servers |
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| 15:21.20 | fireba11 | ma3x: especially with a 20 cent hwardware clock as basis :-D |
| 15:21.27 | stew | ma3x: not with ntp. if you really need this, i'd probably try to create my own timezone (which is how the system decides how far the clock is differnt from utc) |
| 15:21.46 | cahoot | use ntp, set timezone to one easterly of yours - will give you a whole hour in advance ma3x |
| 15:21.48 | ma3x | stew, hod do i do that |
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| 15:22.03 | ma3x | cahoot, i need only 10 mins |
| 15:22.08 | stew | ma3x: i haven't the slightest idea. but look at the tzdata pacakge, i guess |
| 15:22.14 | rahul | you can't get 10 minutes easily |
| 15:22.20 | abrotman | ma3x: i meant the docs at ntp.org .. sorry |
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| 15:22.38 | ma3x | abrotman, ok... |
| 15:22.53 | abrotman | ma3x: might get more luck out of google |
| 15:22.57 | rahul | fireba11: those things cost 20 cents? I figured they were closer to 5 or 10, heh |
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| 15:23.24 | ma3x | and what when i am in a place without internet |
| 15:23.28 | ma3x | how will ntp update? |
| 15:23.41 | ma3x | the time will start going slow again |
| 15:23.43 | fireba11 | rahul: just a guess .. we will soon have on-chip clocks that are more precise anyway .. and cheaper too |
| 15:23.47 | rahul | according to the drift it calculated |
| 15:23.49 | stew | ma3x: it won't. it will use the drift file to estimate how much to change your clock to keep it close to accurate |
| 15:23.55 | rahul | fireba11: on which chip? |
| 15:23.57 | ma3x | oh thats smart |
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| 15:24.16 | rahul | ntp is VERY smart |
| 15:24.18 | ma3x | anyway this option that im looking for , what is it called? offset? |
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| 15:24.28 | fireba11 | rahul: don't know where it's actually gonna be used but i red about that they developed a chep method that's precise some months ago |
| 15:24.29 | stew | ma3x: the option you are looking for doesn't exist |
| 15:24.32 | kombi | are raid options gone in the etch installer? |
| 15:24.33 | rahul | ma3x: it's not an option. it's a timezone description language |
| 15:24.42 | rahul | fireba11: hrm |
| 15:24.43 | ma3x | well how do i google for it |
| 15:24.46 | stew | kombi: no, but iirc they don't show up until you create a partition for raid |
| 15:24.47 | fireba11 | kombi : no |
| 15:24.48 | ma3x | or what do i do as next step |
| 15:24.57 | stew | ma3x: create a timezone |
| 15:24.58 | kombi | stew: thanks!# |
| 15:25.04 | ma3x | stew, how? |
| 15:25.09 | stew | ma3x: i don't know |
| 15:25.11 | fireba11 | kombi: you need to create partitions, set type to raid and then you can set it up |
| 15:25.21 | valdyn | fireba11: doesnt work for me either, in a chroot, but its already barfing b/c of something related to this being a chroot |
| 15:25.31 | stew | ma3x: perhaps start with "apt-get source tzdata" |
| 15:25.31 | valdyn | unable to get handle: /mnt: Invalid argument |
| 15:25.33 | fireba11 | valdyn: ah .. |
| 15:26.09 | fireba11 | valdyn : that's the message i get .. after it saying /srv start inode=0 |
| 15:26.24 | valdyn | fireba11: yea, but im not getting your ioctl32 stuff |
| 15:26.29 | fireba11 | ah |
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| 15:27.32 | ma3x | is UTC for europe? |
| 15:27.36 | rahul | no |
| 15:27.42 | rahul | UTC is for Earth |
| 15:27.45 | ma3x | well when i type date it shows that |
| 15:27.46 | stew | !utc |
| 15:27.47 | dpkg | [utc] Universal Time Convention, aka GMT. In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh restart |
| 15:27.48 | ma3x | is it wrong? |
| 15:27.55 | rking | Is there `top` for I/O? I know my hard disk is spinning something awful, but I don't know which program is to blame. |
| 15:27.56 | rahul | wrong? |
| 15:27.58 | stew | aka gmt is wrong |
| 15:28.08 | fireba11 | valdyn: a pity .. okay, will go home now .. if you have any more info i'll be online in about 45 minutes again from home |
| 15:28.10 | rahul | rking: iostat |
| 15:28.28 | rking | rdhul: cool, thanks |
| 15:29.06 | stew | !utc =~ s#, aka GMT.# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ;# |
| 15:29.06 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 15:29.23 | rking | hrmm, iostat just shows how much load there is, not which apps are responsible |
| 15:29.34 | stew | utc is not the same time as gmt, they are usually off by fractions of a second afaik |
| 15:29.43 | nvz | rking: I don't suppose your nick is representing Eugene Henderson is it? |
| 15:29.46 | ma3x | why the time of UTC is 2 hours back from the time of kde clock? |
| 15:30.02 | ma3x | utc is gmt-1? |
| 15:30.05 | rahul | ma3x: because hat's the time zone you're in? |
| 15:30.06 | rking | nvz: nope, it's my first initial and last name... i'll have to look up this Eugene Henderson thing. |
| 15:30.16 | valdyn | ma3x: daylight savings? |
| 15:30.20 | stew | ma3x: no utc is not gmt-1 |
| 15:30.22 | nvz | rking: childrens book called Henderson The Rain King |
| 15:30.33 | valdyn | ma3x: utc is about gmt |
| 15:30.37 | ma3x | stew, what time is utc now? |
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| 15:31.27 | stew | ma3x: around 15:30 |
| 15:32.05 | ma3x | stew, and gmt-1 is ? |
| 15:32.53 | ma3x | so to set the system time, you don't run date, but you run tzselect? |
| 15:33.25 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 15:33.25 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 15:33.43 | stew | ma3x: current gmt is around 15:30, so gmt-1 is around 14:30 |
| 15:34.16 | Insolit | anyone knows how to clone a display, but with different resolutions? |
| 15:34.17 | ma3x | so uct time is same as gmt then |
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| 15:34.25 | ma3x | gmt0 |
| 15:34.28 | valdyn | ma3x: no |
| 15:34.30 | stew | ma3x: no, they differ |
| 15:34.37 | valdyn | ma3x: google knows this |
| 15:34.47 | ma3x | well uct is around 15:30 right? |
| 15:34.51 | stew | ma3x: yes |
| 15:34.57 | ma3x | so is gmt |
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| 15:35.03 | stew | ma3x: yes, but they differ |
| 15:35.04 | gentgeen__ | Insolit, VNC ? |
| 15:35.07 | ma3x | how? |
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| 15:35.16 | Insolit | gentgeen__: Xorg |
| 15:35.21 | stew | ma3x: by a fraction of a second |
| 15:35.23 | rahul | ma3x: by accumulated fractions of leap seconds |
| 15:35.35 | Alarm | i uninstall by mistake kview and kviewshell , and now that i installed them again, when going through konqueror to open an image, it opens it as a browser and not through the kview application (i also restarted but nothing) |
| 15:35.37 | ma3x | stew, ok thats not that bad |
| 15:35.43 | Insolit | having two screens, i want to know how to clone a display, but using different resolution for the monitors |
| 15:35.47 | rahul | but not by 10 minutes :P |
| 15:35.49 | stew | ma3x: and you can read all about it yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc |
| 15:35.55 | gentgeen__ | Insolit, would VNC work? or X2vnc or x2x |
| 15:36.23 | gentgeen__ | Insolit, or are you talking 2 displays on the same computer |
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| 15:36.41 | Insolit | gentgeen__: yes |
| 15:36.42 | cj | gentgeen__: do you know much about using vnc to connect to an X session? |
| 15:36.50 | ma3x | so to set the time you have to run date --set and then set the timezone? |
| 15:37.23 | gentgeen__ | cj, not that much... usually use vnc to connect to a "new" session not a current one |
| 15:37.35 | cj | gentgeen__: it is possible to connect to a running one? |
| 15:37.42 | ma3x | stew, I just set the date/time for 10 mins forward and ntpdate doesnt reset it back |
| 15:37.51 | ma3x | stew, so now it's fine i guess |
| 15:37.52 | stew | ma3x: it will over time |
| 15:37.52 | cj | or to start one with vnc, disconnect and later rej-connect? |
| 15:37.56 | gentgeen__ | yes.... I have read it somewhere |
| 15:38.07 | ma3x | stew, when? |
| 15:38.10 | cahoot | cj, maybe x11vnc |
| 15:38.20 | stew | ma3x: its doing it right now. but slowly |
| 15:38.22 | cj | gentgeen__: cool. someone at ms was asking me about it the other day. I'm trying to con/subvert the whole company :) |
| 15:38.25 | cj | cahoot: gracias |
| 15:38.40 | gentgeen__ | cj, can do that easy just leave the VNC Server connection running |
| 15:39.02 | gentgeen__ | disconnect the client, go to another location, lanch client... and will return right where you left off |
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| 15:39.09 | rahul | ma3x: ntp doesn't set time backwards |
| 15:39.09 | ma3x | stew, but i cant understand this - before some time it was doing ok without ntp. and now suddenly started shifting back |
| 15:39.13 | rahul | well, not noticeably |
| 15:39.42 | rahul | it's a bad idea to experince the same time twice |
| 15:39.42 | stew | ma3x: your hardware degraded |
| 15:40.08 | ma3x | what do yo mean? the hardware clock? |
| 15:40.14 | stew | ma3x: yes |
| 15:40.15 | rahul | yes |
| 15:40.24 | ma3x | damn i didnt know thats possible |
| 15:40.34 | ma3x | i thought either it works or it stops working |
| 15:40.39 | Muisje | Lol |
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| 15:40.45 | rahul | ma3x: that only happens with software |
| 15:40.59 | stew | only? |
| 15:41.03 | rahul | everything else in the entire world can be engineered to gracefully fail |
| 15:41.03 | ma3x | did it happen to one of your systems? |
| 15:41.11 | rahul | stew: well, more or less |
| 15:41.31 | rahul | except when you have systems of non-linear behaviors, but even then, it rarely fails immediately |
| 15:42.23 | ma3x | how come my swatch works flawless |
| 15:42.25 | ma3x | my cell phone too |
| 15:42.33 | ma3x | just not my computer |
| 15:42.54 | valdyn | ma3x: how come you can invent so many questions like you do |
| 15:42.59 | stew | ma3x: you phone is syncing itself to atomic clocks periodically, the same way that youd computer should be |
| 15:43.03 | rahul | your swatch costs more than 5 cents |
| 15:43.26 | stew | can i get a swatch guard for my hardware clock? |
| 15:43.38 | stew | do they still make swatch guards? |
| 15:43.48 | ma3x | whats swatch guard? |
| 15:43.59 | ma3x | valdyn, i ask questions thats good |
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| 15:44.09 | Enverex | Where does module-assistant put the packages it makes? |
| 15:44.23 | stew | ma3x: in the 80s you didn't buy a swatch without a swatch guard or maybe multiple to accessorize it |
| 15:44.41 | rahul | heh |
| 15:44.48 | rahul | stew: do you really want to revisit the 80s? |
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| 15:44.59 | ma3x | stew, i bought my swatch 10 years ago |
| 15:45.06 | stew | rahul: no, as you said, its not good to experience the same time twice |
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| 15:45.13 | ma3x | stew, what is it exactly |
| 15:45.18 | rahul | hehehe |
| 15:45.23 | cahoot | lots of deja vue here though |
| 15:45.41 | ma3x | thats good |
| 15:45.44 | stew | Enverex: /var/cache/modass maybe? |
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| 15:45.58 | Enverex | stew, It has related stuff in there but not the packages |
| 15:46.10 | stew | Enverex: /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 15:46.48 | ma3x | what port makes ntp connection? |
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| 15:47.07 | stew | ma3x: search ebay for swatch guard |
| 15:47.11 | Enverex | stew, Nope |
| 15:47.18 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, I'v got a question about the samba configuration. It's running as root, by default, can I change that ? |
| 15:47.25 | stew | ma3x: 'getent services ntp' |
| 15:47.27 | qrck | i'm getting --unpack errors for some packages, what does it mean ? |
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| 15:47.35 | ma3x | anyway george bush watch got stolen |
| 15:47.41 | ma3x | and then they found it |
| 15:47.41 | cj | ma3x: woot. |
| 15:47.42 | valdyn | Fahrenheit: its listening on a privileged port too |
| 15:47.48 | ma3x | cj what |
| 15:47.48 | liable | Enverex: /usr/src usually |
| 15:47.49 | cj | ma3x: fun stuff |
| 15:47.49 | valdyn | Fahrenheit: which needs root |
| 15:47.54 | qrck | there's space enough on the disk, it claims there isn't though |
| 15:47.58 | cj | ma3x: lost watch. nice to have found it. |
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| 15:48.11 | ma3x | cj, not lost stolen |
| 15:48.21 | Fahrenheit | valdyn : ok |
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| 15:48.31 | Enverex | liable, That was it, thanks |
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| 15:48.47 | valdyn | Fahrenheit: im sure you could hack it to not need root, but that would remove functionality too |
| 15:49.28 | ma3x | stew, http://cgi.ebay.com/SWATCH-WATCH-PAINT-BY-NUMBER-1988-WITH-GUARD_W0QQitemZ180128453679QQihZ008QQcategoryZ31387QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 15:49.35 | ma3x | stew, whats guard? |
| 15:49.39 | ma3x | idont see that thing |
| 15:49.44 | stew | ma3x: i don't understand the question |
| 15:49.49 | stew | ma3x: just forget about it |
| 15:49.54 | ma3x | stew, is it some feature? |
| 15:50.04 | stew | ma3x: its a piece of latex |
| 15:50.15 | ma3x | the strap? |
| 15:50.35 | rahul | heh |
| 15:50.47 | rahul | they don't exist any more! |
| 15:51.02 | valdyn | ./j #swatch |
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| 15:51.18 | ma3x | http://www.squiggly.com/swatch/p/subcat/s/guard |
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| 15:51.36 | pedro_mg | rubygems package is weird. "gem list" works fine. "gem install" works fine. But can't find the installed libs in Ruby |
| 15:51.51 | rahul | oh my. |
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| 15:52.09 | abrotman | stew: you're so 80s |
| 15:52.26 | stew | pedro_mg: /usr/lib/ruby/*/rubygems/ ? |
| 15:52.45 | abrotman | i think i might still have a swatch in my box of watches |
| 15:53.16 | cj | abrotman: you know if any of the xen maintainers hang out on irc? |
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| 15:54.10 | pedro_mg | stew, they're there indeed ;) So maybe doing a require 'rubygems/...' ? |
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| 15:54.50 | spheard | how important is rDNS? |
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| 15:55.20 | selim | can someone help me with a vpn-manager problem in connection with an active wireless lan interface |
| 15:55.22 | pedro_mg | stew, but the dowloaded gems are not there |
| 15:55.45 | liable | spheard: not very cept for possibly email |
| 15:55.53 | selim | I get this error message when I try to do vpn pptp connection: nm_vpn_manager_activate_vpn_connection(): no currently active network device, won't activate VPN. |
| 15:55.55 | stew | pedro_mg: how about /var/lib/gems |
| 15:56.19 | pedro_mg | stew, ok, i'm doing a require 'rubygems' and then require 'the_installed_gem' and it works. pheww... ty ;) |
| 15:57.00 | stew | i wonder if installing gems with gem install is akin to using cpan instead of apt-get |
| 15:57.08 | stew | i don't know enough to know |
| 15:57.10 | liable | wtf are gems? |
| 15:57.31 | stew | liable: think cpan bundle for ruby |
| 15:57.34 | pedro_mg | gems are packages for Ruby |
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| 15:57.42 | liable | ah, right |
| 15:58.01 | stew | or a python egg if you are so inclined |
| 15:58.05 | liable | cute |
| 15:58.09 | pedro_mg | stew, it is analog to cpan yes |
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| 16:00.22 | liable | pumpkin time! |
| 16:00.23 | greyfrog | anyone know the way to change the character set that is used? |
| 16:00.31 | rahul | pumpkin? |
| 16:00.56 | stew | greyfrog: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:01.12 | greyfrog | stew, thanks! |
| 16:01.14 | liable | rahul: midnight here |
| 16:01.22 | rahul | oh |
| 16:01.25 | stew | my pumpkins haven't flowered yet |
| 16:01.30 | rahul | right... noon here |
| 16:01.45 | rahul | stew: sure they did. I deflowered them, tho |
| 16:02.02 | stew | my other squshes are flowering though |
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| 16:02.25 | liable | pumpkins are a terrible vegetable to grow, they take the whole garden over |
| 16:02.51 | MeiyoIsHONOR | Can the kde-cd-1 or i386-cd-1 be use to do a network install? |
| 16:03.02 | rahul | MeiyoIsHONOR: anything can, yes |
| 16:03.02 | MeiyoIsHONOR | or an install by itself? |
| 16:03.12 | rahul | MeiyoIsHONOR: yes, depending on what packages you awnt |
| 16:03.23 | MeiyoIsHONOR | sweet, thank you rahul. |
| 16:03.30 | stew | liable: they are yummy though. and i thought it would be fun to have a bug pumpkin growing on my back patio in NYC just becuase it would be so goofy |
| 16:03.43 | rahul | don't thank me. thank the great people who wrote the installer :) |
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| 16:04.04 | liable | stew: ya, they are good, roasted or mashed with potato. yum |
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| 16:04.24 | stew | liable: i usually make soup or ice cream with them |
| 16:04.27 | Asad2005 | i am having problem log in samba PDC, if i change profiles folder to 777 connection ok, but not with 770 permission |
| 16:04.51 | liable | stew: ah, soup, of course, but ice cream?? |
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| 16:05.05 | stew | liable: yes, highly recommended |
| 16:05.11 | liable | pumpkin scones are supposed to be good to |
| 16:05.21 | liable | too |
| 16:05.28 | rahul | mmm scones |
| 16:05.52 | stew | scones are just glorified dessicants |
| 16:06.12 | rahul | which is why they are had with liquids |
| 16:06.21 | rahul | yin+yang |
| 16:06.27 | pickcoder | scones are glorified southern biscuits |
| 16:06.30 | liable | tea and scones |
| 16:06.41 | liable | depends where you come from |
| 16:06.58 | rahul | pickcoder: wow, I never would have even thought of connecting the two |
| 16:07.17 | pickcoder | southern == southern US |
| 16:07.53 | liable | i dunno, they are just these doey things we eat with jam and cream over here.. |
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| 16:09.18 | helo | to use a serial printer, the howto (http://www.linux.com/howtos/Printing-HOWTO/serial.shtml) says to edit /etc/printcap, but /etc/printcap says any changes to the file will be lost... anyone know what i should do? |
| 16:09.21 | pickcoder | liable: they're based on the same type of levened dough that we eat here in the south. Molasses and butter is an old favorite dip/topping |
| 16:09.49 | pickcoder | though, you'd be surprised at how many people here don't like molasses |
| 16:09.54 | pickcoder | anyhoo |
| 16:09.56 | pickcoder | back to work |
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| 16:13.54 | Serajewe1KS | i have a friend trying to install debian on a laptop. he has a wlan card (so presumably the netinstall won't really work there), the BIOS can't boot from CD, and the laptop has a bay for either a floppy drive or a CD drive, so he can't boot the CD using a floppy. what methods could he use to install? |
| 16:13.58 | nictuku | have you ever been to a transparent interface renaming issue with Etch? |
| 16:14.22 | nictuku | interface is loaded as eth0 and somehow gets renamed to eth1. udev? |
| 16:14.23 | dondelelcaro | Serajewe1KS: harddrive transplant is probably the easiest |
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| 16:14.39 | dondelelcaro | Serajewe1KS: usbstick if you can boot off usb may also be an alternative. |
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| 16:14.56 | helo | nictuku: yeah udev, edit /etc/udef/rules.d/z25-persistent-net-somethingorother |
| 16:14.58 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: doubt it, the BIOS can't even do CD |
| 16:15.00 | helo | err /etc/udev |
| 16:15.10 | liable | Serajewe1KS: why cant he install with floppies? |
| 16:15.26 | helo | nictuku: delete the existing entry and reboot and the mac addresses will be reset to whatever nic you have |
| 16:15.26 | SerajewelKS | liable: we've tried that |
| 16:15.29 | nictuku | helo, that's a terrible bug, isn't it? /me going to check BTS |
| 16:15.40 | SerajewelKS | liable: you either net net access or a debian install CD |
| 16:15.43 | stew | SerajewelKS: which wireless chipset? |
| 16:15.46 | Ragnaroek | hey |
| 16:15.48 | str4 | yo |
| 16:15.50 | teekay_ | sup |
| 16:15.54 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: yeah, if floppies or CD won't work, harddrive transplant is the way to go. |
| 16:15.55 | liable | nictuku: just dlete the file, reboot or restart udev |
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| 16:16.00 | SerajewelKS | liable: and the with the laptop model you can pick either the floppy or CD (they occupy the same tray) |
| 16:16.02 | helo | nictuku: oh, it got renamed to eth1? hmmm... i thought you were saying you put in a new nic and it was stuck on eth1 |
| 16:16.17 | SerajewelKS | stew: asking |
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| 16:16.22 | liable | SerajewelKS: oh, it doesnt have ethernet?? |
| 16:16.33 | nictuku | helo: no. check this (single nic here): |
| 16:16.34 | nictuku | <helo> nictuku: yeah udev, edit /etc/udef/rules.d/z25-persistent-net-somethingorother |
| 16:16.34 | nictuku | <SerajewelKS> dondelelcaro: doubt it, the BIOS can't even do CD |
| 16:16.34 | nictuku | <helo> err /etc/udev |
| 16:16.34 | nictuku | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.34 | nictuku | <liable> Serajewe1KS: why cant he install with floppies? |
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| 16:16.46 | helo | heh |
| 16:16.47 | SerajewelKS | liable: not built in, no |
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| 16:16.51 | nictuku | *sorry* |
| 16:16.52 | helo | hehe |
| 16:16.53 | nictuku | wrong paste |
| 16:16.56 | SerajewelKS | stew: he says "airlink" |
| 16:17.10 | nictuku | eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0x9000, 00:0e:2e:b0:fd:ca, IRQ 209 |
| 16:17.11 | nictuku | eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D' |
| 16:17.11 | nictuku | eth1: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x41E1 |
| 16:17.11 | nictuku | eth1: no IPv6 routers present |
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| 16:17.12 | liable | SerajewelKS: it has wireless but no ethernet? what kind of shit box is it? |
| 16:17.14 | stew | dunno which driver airlink uses |
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| 16:17.17 | helo | hahaha |
| 16:17.20 | stew | !tell nictuku about paste |
| 16:17.21 | nictuku | :-] |
| 16:17.31 | nictuku | stew thanks, sorry. |
| 16:17.36 | SerajewelKS | stew: i have an airlink PCI in this box, i recall having to use ndiswrapper |
| 16:18.15 | liable | i dont think i have heard of a laptop that doesnt have ethernet but has wireless |
| 16:18.18 | stew | SerajewelKS: ok, just wanted to check becuase there are wireless cards that actually will work with a netinst, or can easily be made to work, but if it needs ndiswrapper than forget it |
| 16:18.28 | SerajewelKS | stew: nod |
| 16:18.35 | stew | liable: i have one (via a pcmcia card) |
| 16:18.39 | SerajewelKS | he does have a PCMCIA LAN card though, let me ask the chipset on that |
| 16:18.58 | stew | are there pcmcia lan cards you can netboot from? |
| 16:19.10 | SerajewelKS | stew: he has the floppies |
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| 16:19.14 | SerajewelKS | no need to netboot |
| 16:19.27 | SerajewelKS | turns out the wlan card is PCMCIA too |
| 16:19.30 | nictuku | eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0x9000, 00:0e:2e:b0:fd:ca, IRQ 209 |
| 16:19.31 | nictuku | eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D' |
| 16:19.31 | nictuku | eth1: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x41E1 |
| 16:19.31 | nictuku | eth1: no IPv6 routers present |
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| 16:19.36 | SerajewelKS | the laptop has no internal ethernet |
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| 16:19.46 | nictuku | sorry - xchat paste is confusing me |
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| 16:19.51 | nictuku | http://rafb.net/p/l3Fttc23.html |
| 16:19.51 | liable | nictuku: wtf are you doing? |
| 16:20.03 | nictuku | liable: my bad. sorry. really. |
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| 16:21.49 | SerajewelKS | the LAN PC card is some 3com thing, i assume that's well supported |
| 16:21.49 | liable | SerajewelKS: if the eth card is supported, should be fine, if not, as dondelelcaro said, hd transplant would seem the only way |
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| 16:22.05 | ma3x | dpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure): |
| 16:22.05 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:22.08 | ma3x | why's that? |
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| 16:22.49 | stew | SerajewelKS: maybe /msg dpkg usb-install |
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| 16:24.07 | stew | ma3x: add "set -x" as the second line of the postinst to debug it |
| 16:24.34 | helo | where can i find the serial cups backend? |
| 16:24.43 | irwiss | Is ipw3945 not creating an interface until rf switch kill is turned off after boot being on purpose? How is it working with other adapters? |
| 16:24.48 | helo | redhat has a cups-serial package, but no such thing is in debian that i can find |
| 16:24.55 | stew | nictuku: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 16:25.07 | helo | oh, /usr/lib/cups/backend-available/ |
| 16:25.16 | ma3x | stew, what do you mean of the postinst? |
| 16:25.30 | liable | irwiss: load the module with rfkill paramater |
| 16:25.34 | stew | ma3x: its complaining about /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst |
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| 16:25.55 | SerajewelKS | stew: his laptop does not support CD booting, i doubt it does USB |
| 16:26.24 | liable | irwiss: its a work in progress and ipw3945 is deprecated. theres a new driver that will hopefully be in mainline soon |
| 16:26.25 | dromer | hi all, I'm trying a 2.26.18-4-486 kernel on this ancient Toshiba laptop, but after booting the kernel I get: Out of Memory: Kill process 2 (ksoftirqd/0) score 0 and children. just constantly .. I know the laptop has low memory (only 16mb), but I have booted a distro on it before .. so why won't debian work? |
| 16:26.28 | stew | does he have a dot matrix printer and a punchcard reader? :) |
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| 16:26.53 | grendal_prime | oky doky have an issue with an appliance im building. |
| 16:27.07 | irwiss | liable, I understand it's the iwlwifi? Anywhere I could get it already? I don't mind patching/recompiling the kernel |
| 16:27.08 | liable | dromer: you will need a 2.4 kernel for that little memory i think |
| 16:27.10 | grendal_prime | How can i avoid the fsck died with exit status 4 situation |
| 16:27.42 | liable | irwiss: intellinuxwireless.org |
| 16:27.44 | dromer | liable: hmm, could I chroot onto the disk and install a different kernel? |
| 16:27.47 | SerajewelKS | stew: probably... is there a debian distribution on punchcards? |
| 16:28.10 | grendal_prime | after 35 reboots, the os forces a check, if it finds inconsistancys, it haults the boot process and forces user interaction. this would not be a problem if the vpn was already established, but i dont believe it is. |
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| 16:28.31 | stew | SerajewelKS: no, its a joke: /msg dpkg rube goldberg install |
| 16:28.48 | liable | dromer: if you can boot rescue media, it should be possible |
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| 16:29.01 | SerajewelKS | stew: yes, my reply was a joke too... |
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| 16:29.46 | irwiss | liable, thanks i'll look into that |
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| 16:30.00 | grendal_prime | this would be bad in the instance where there is nobody around to input the root users password and then hit y to delete all the orphaned inodes. |
| 16:30.03 | dromer | liable: well, the laptop doesn't have cd-rom or working floppy, so atm I have to put the hd into my desktop pc .. but I hate having to reboot every time :S so can't I hook it up to usb and mess with it that way? |
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| 16:30.16 | steinchen | hi |
| 16:30.22 | grendal_prime | is there a way to just have it mount it in write mode and do those checks automatically if they need that done? |
| 16:30.31 | steinchen | how do i "combine" 2 pictures? (jpg) |
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| 16:30.56 | stew | steinchen: perhaps with montage from imagemagick |
| 16:31.04 | valdyn | grendal_prime: those fsck questions imply that you will loose data one way or the other |
| 16:31.08 | rahul | steinchen: using a program that does the kind of combination you want |
| 16:31.20 | liable | dromer: no idea |
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| 16:31.54 | dromer | anyone else ? |
| 16:32.14 | valdyn | dromer: why would you use debian on that notebook? |
| 16:32.16 | grendal_prime | any way i can disable the 35 limit and just run it manually once a month so it doesnt hang on boot? |
| 16:32.18 | valdyn | dromer: its pointless |
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| 16:32.50 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: you can use tune2fs to set it higher than 35 |
| 16:32.53 | dromer | valdyn: why? initially I wanted to try DSL, but I keep getting kernel panics on that :S (2.4-kernel) |
| 16:33.02 | valdyn | dromer: its not enough to use debians package management tools with debian package sources |
| 16:33.45 | valdyn | dromer: slackware is good for this ( NO package management ) |
| 16:33.57 | dromer | I have no experience with slackware |
| 16:34.28 | liable | time to get some |
| 16:34.35 | steinchen | stew thanks, rahul that i wanted to ask for |
| 16:34.36 | steinchen | ty |
| 16:34.42 | dromer | liable: :P |
| 16:35.02 | rahul | steinchen: you wanted to ask us what kind of combination you wanted? |
| 16:35.04 | valdyn | dromer: ancient debian releases may be suitable to run on 16mb ram |
| 16:35.05 | dromer | also I want a way to install a system on a disk without needing te reboot my entire system :S |
| 16:35.23 | valdyn | dromer: recent releases are not worth the hassle, learning slackware is easier |
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| 16:35.37 | dromer | valdyn: ok |
| 16:35.53 | liable | buying to ram is easier |
| 16:36.00 | liable | s/to/some/ |
| 16:36.01 | valdyn | ( or any other distro that is actually suitable for 16mb ram ) |
| 16:36.10 | dromer | liable: not for this notebook ;) |
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| 16:36.17 | steinchen | rahul, no sorry if i misspelled.. i wanted to know what tool i might use to combine 2 pics |
| 16:36.24 | steinchen | and seems montage will do the trick |
| 16:36.27 | rahul | steinchen: . . . |
| 16:36.32 | rahul | if you say so |
| 16:36.44 | dromer | valdyn: that's why I wanted DSL initially, since it's made for low-hw based on an old debian kernel |
| 16:36.51 | rahul | that's not how I'd use the word "combine" but ok |
| 16:37.15 | valdyn | dromer: i would look into a workaround for that kernel panic or the cause of it |
| 16:37.21 | liable | dromer: so ask the dsl folks why you get panics |
| 16:37.26 | valdyn | dromer: no distro would fix you having broken hardware.. |
| 16:37.31 | steinchen | mh what then? |
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| 16:37.45 | rahul | steinchen: I'd call it making a montage, heh |
| 16:37.58 | SerajewelKS | has anyone thought of optimizing apt and/or d-i by having it install packages as it's downloading them? |
| 16:38.10 | rahul | combining usually implies having some overlapping parts with compositing or masking, to me |
| 16:38.15 | steinchen | hehe yea,.. right |
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| 16:38.30 | rahul | SerajewelKS: no |
| 16:38.36 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: thats more complex than you make it sound |
| 16:38.41 | stew | rahul: and the definition of mongtage starts with, "the technique of combining in a single composition..." |
| 16:38.41 | dromer | valdyn: the hardware is fine except for the floppy drive, and I've been in #damnsmalllinux .. hardly any developers there .. and the forums are dead too :/ |
| 16:38.47 | liable | SerajewelKS: what if it installs the package but the download fails for its depends? |
| 16:38.50 | rahul | stew: yeah, well. |
| 16:38.51 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: and needs more complex dependency calculations |
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| 16:39.09 | SerajewelKS | liable: apt already installs depends first.. you fetch those first and install them |
| 16:39.15 | liable | well, it couldnt even really do that anyway.. |
| 16:39.31 | rahul | stew: I'd rather leave the generic term for the more complex situations and use the specific term for the situations that are easier to describe using it |
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| 16:40.04 | grendal_prime | tun2fs? |
| 16:40.13 | SerajewelKS | grendal_prime: tune2fs |
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| 16:40.50 | Rprp | hi, when i type 'killall' it says '-bash: killall: command not found' whats wrong with it? :( |
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| 16:41.08 | liable | as root |
| 16:41.11 | rahul | Rprp: it's in sbin |
| 16:41.25 | stew | killall isn't in sbin and doesn't need root |
| 16:41.32 | wfq | hello guys |
| 16:41.38 | stew | unless maybe on solaris where it means something completely different |
| 16:41.50 | Rprp | weird, its not in /usr/bin and also not in /usr/sbin, and yes i did it as root. |
| 16:41.55 | dkr | heh, I used killall on solaris once, it was fun. :) |
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| 16:42.14 | stew | Rprp: is the psmisc package installed? |
| 16:42.15 | liable | dkr: you need to get out more ;) |
| 16:42.28 | Rprp | stew: how can i see if its installed? :p |
| 16:42.33 | nictuku | with the default udev persistent-net policy, I can't simply replace a NIC and expect the new old to take over that address, right? I'll have to remove the offending line, or change the MAC, at the .rules file, to let the new NIC take over that "reserved" name..? |
| 16:42.48 | valdyn | nictuku: yes |
| 16:42.56 | dkr | Rprp: dpkg -l psmisc |
| 16:42.57 | stew | Rprp: "apt-cache policy psmisc" and look at the Installed: line |
| 16:42.58 | rahul | udev and offending... definitely go together |
| 16:42.59 | nictuku | valdyn: thanks |
| 16:43.05 | liable | nictuku: you can just delete the whole file and reboot |
| 16:43.07 | Rprp | aight, not installed |
| 16:43.10 | pickcoder | nictuku: if you use the MAC as the key, yes. There are other was to match the hardware, though. |
| 16:43.18 | Rprp | working now |
| 16:43.19 | Rprp | thnx |
| 16:43.32 | stew | i would have guessed that was a required package, but i guess not |
| 16:43.34 | wfq | i am trying to manage my laptop's power. When i try to load the module speedstep_centrino by using modprobe i get an error saying no such device |
| 16:43.56 | stew | wfq: no such device when loading a module generally means you don't have any hardware supported by that module |
| 16:44.16 | wfq | I have recompiled my kernel 2.6.20 to get this module but i am wondering if i have to load my centrino processor as wel |
| 16:44.29 | valdyn | wfq: there's no such thing as a centrino processor |
| 16:44.38 | valdyn | wfq: you should probably use the acpi cpufreq driver |
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| 16:45.03 | wfq | varlyn,stew i am reading a tutorial where the guys that exists |
| 16:45.11 | wfq | infact, i have seen in kernel configuration |
| 16:45.51 | wfq | but the problem is , on processor family i have just choosen 386 |
| 16:46.07 | stew | wfq: i'm saying that your processor isn't compatible with speedstep_centrino. perhaps you need a different module. perhaps your cpu doesn't support scaling |
| 16:46.09 | wfq | should i chose other? |
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| 16:46.22 | wfq | stew, ohhh it coud be. |
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| 16:46.28 | wfq | stew, how could i know that? |
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| 16:46.32 | liable | valdyn: there is a speedstep-centrino modules for pentium m's though |
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| 16:46.54 | valdyn | liable: for some computers containing pentium M's |
| 16:46.54 | wfq | mine is a centrino 1.5 |
| 16:47.14 | stew | wfq: are you confusing centrino and celeron? there isn't a processor named centrino |
| 16:47.16 | valdyn | wfq: you really mean "mine is a pentium M 1.5Ghz" |
| 16:47.23 | wfq | stew, not all |
| 16:47.32 | wfq | yes |
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| 16:47.32 | pickcoder | wfq: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:47.37 | wfq | my is a pentium m |
| 16:48.02 | wfq | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz |
| 16:48.06 | stew | maybe flags having ss means speedstep? not sure |
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| 16:48.21 | valdyn | liable: my my 'centrino' thinkpad t40 needs the acpi cpufreq driver. |
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| 16:48.43 | stew | i use speedstep_centrino on my t42 |
| 16:48.54 | rahul | centrino is a marketing brand, not a technical brand |
| 16:49.00 | liable | valdyn: hrm, my r40 and t60 both use speedstep-centrino |
| 16:49.08 | wfq | i think, i should be able to use it as well |
| 16:49.34 | wfq | the guy who wrote the tutorial used a 1.7 centrino |
| 16:49.41 | wfq | pentium m, i mean |
| 16:49.41 | rahul | it just means "laptoppy stuff from intel" |
| 16:49.42 | valdyn | geez |
| 16:49.43 | liable | valdyn: and then my governor of choice |
| 16:49.49 | valdyn | liable: yea |
| 16:50.33 | wfq | i would like to ask you guys something: Could it be related that i have choosen 386 in my processor family kernel option |
| 16:50.37 | valdyn | wfq: centrino is a marketing term that applies to specific hardware combinations in a laptop, its not a cpu |
| 16:50.40 | wfq | the question is i can't find pemtium m |
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| 16:50.54 | wfq | valdyn, you all right |
| 16:51.02 | valdyn | wfq: no it cant be related to that, but look harder, pentium M is there |
| 16:51.02 | liable | its in there, in the acpi options |
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| 16:51.13 | stew | perhaps speed scaling is disabled int he bios? |
| 16:51.13 | wfq | centrino means technology employed |
| 16:51.33 | rahul | centrino doesn't mean any specific technology |
| 16:51.53 | wfq | oh it is true... lol lol i did not scroll down |
| 16:51.53 | rahul | it usually implies low power and wireless networking |
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| 16:51.57 | fireba11 | valdyn : found out more about my xfs_fsr problem ? |
| 16:52.23 | valdyn | fireba11: no,i didnt look, i think its just that you can use 32-bit tools on a 64-bit kernel in that case |
| 16:52.32 | valdyn | s/can/cannot/ |
| 16:52.34 | wfq | rahul, http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=define%3Acentrino&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
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| 16:52.59 | rahul | wfq: and that will tell me what? |
| 16:53.12 | N1ckR | fireball, whats the problem with xfs_fsr ? |
| 16:53.23 | rahul | centrino used to mean, does not support 802.11g |
| 16:53.46 | wfq | how? |
| 16:54.03 | wfq | IEEE 802.11abg) network connection |
| 16:54.28 | fireba11 | N1ckR: it's not working on my system with 64-bit kernel |
| 16:54.46 | rahul | wfq: that's recent |
| 16:54.53 | grendal_prime | SerajewelKS: |
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| 16:54.58 | rahul | wfq: it used to mean only 802.11b |
| 16:55.01 | grendal_prime | thanks, looks liek thats the trick |
| 16:55.03 | valdyn | for recent = 3 years? |
| 16:55.07 | rking | so, when my system is overloaded, sometimes it's CPU/RAM, but I would say a majority of the time the problem is disk I/O. Is there no program like `top` but that will show me disk access calls? |
| 16:55.21 | valdyn | rking: no |
| 16:55.28 | rahul | and 802.11abg is a bad notation... it does not mean a or b or g |
| 16:55.37 | grendal_prime | also there is a behavior option that seems to alow you to "continue" even if there are errors fround |
| 16:55.40 | valdyn | rking: it doesnt work that way, and linux io accounting is bad too |
| 16:55.41 | grendal_prime | and thats what im looking for. |
| 16:55.52 | fireba11 | rking: i'd suggest monitoring te box with munin or something |
| 16:55.52 | rking | valdyn: do you know why? I/O seems like something the OS would be able to keep track of |
| 16:55.54 | rahul | rking: iostat |
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| 16:56.01 | valdyn | rking: errm |
| 16:56.26 | rking | iostat just says, "this much disk access is going on...", not "this pid is doing a ton of fstat()'s" |
| 16:56.27 | abrotman | cj: i'm sure they do |
| 16:56.34 | fireba11 | N1ckR: on the 64-bit system it works, on the 32-bit system with 64-bit kernel it just gives an invalid handle error |
| 16:56.35 | abrotman | cj: i htink there's #debian-xen on OFTC |
| 16:56.42 | grendal_prime | SerajewelKS: i do understand the importance of checking the integrity of the file system. the problem is that these boxes will have nobody around to do this...checking. |
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| 16:56.54 | N1ckR | fireball, ouchy. Im still on a 32bit system. |
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| 16:57.03 | pickcoder | rahul: well what does that mean then?? |
| 16:57.05 | valdyn | rking: seek times always depend on the 2 reads around it |
| 16:57.10 | liable | grendal_prime: so get disks that arent fucked ;) |
| 16:57.19 | wfq | ok, so what do you understand for centrino. Just a combination created by intel: processor, chipset and wifi or technology created by intel: bla bla bla |
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| 16:57.35 | valdyn | rking: so one process might only slow you down because the other exists too, and vice versa |
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| 16:58.06 | valdyn | rking: where the slow down would be much less if only the data layout was nicer... |
| 16:58.10 | YT | is security.debian.org having problems? We're getting incredibly slow download rates, as low as 700B/s |
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| 16:58.28 | liable | it is slow always for me |
| 16:58.28 | rahul | pickcoder: it means the 735th sub-standard under 802.11 |
| 16:58.34 | liable | not that slow though |
| 16:58.35 | rking | valdyn: true, but, here's the deal. If I see my HDD light on my tower blinking too much, I can run top, sorting by CPU or MEM, and get no clues as to the culprit. if I take a guess and do a `strace -p XX`, the offending proc will be streaming I/O calls. i don't see why the O/S wouldn't be able to keep track of which processes are using the disk |
| 16:58.44 | abrotman | YT: everyone is .. there was an OO.org update |
| 16:58.46 | Insolit | anyone knows how to use xvnc with ssl tunneling? |
| 16:58.50 | stew | YT: its not having problems, other than the fact that it is very slow for everyone |
| 16:58.51 | Insolit | *ssh |
| 16:58.51 | rahul | if I got the math right... |
| 16:58.58 | YT | abrotman: ah, ok thanks! |
| 16:58.59 | valdyn | rking: no, it doesnt need to stream i/o calls for this |
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| 16:59.10 | rking | valdyn: how not? |
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| 16:59.41 | valdyn | rking: 2 simple huge reads, running in parallel, reading from 'far away' physical areas on the disk will already be quite bad. |
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| 17:00.21 | sudeval | how i do to install svn on debian ? |
| 17:00.27 | steinchen | any tipps how to montage 2 pics centered? |
| 17:00.29 | valdyn | sudeval: apt-get install svn ? |
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| 17:01.05 | rahul | steinchen: centered to what? |
| 17:01.10 | grendal_prime | SerajewelKS: not suposed to run fsck on mounted drive though...hmmm |
| 17:01.12 | mick_home | Insolit: i'd say something like: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 username@host |
| 17:01.15 | rahul | steinchen: you could just use gimp... |
| 17:01.31 | Insolit | mick_home: i think i just found out why i'm not being able to use that |
| 17:01.38 | grendal_prime | gimp is the shiznit steinchen learn it, live it. |
| 17:01.43 | mick_home | Insolit: all remote connections to 5900 will go to username@host:5900 |
| 17:01.44 | sudeval | valdyn, what the repository i need add in source.list ? |
| 17:01.44 | Insolit | my ssh at home ain't using the port 22 |
| 17:01.59 | steinchen | i know but i need this command lined/automated |
| 17:02.10 | mick_home | Insolit: -p 2222 (if it is on 2222) |
| 17:02.11 | grendal_prime | if you learn gimp you will be able to do ANY GRAPHIC WORK. Its not always the most intuitive, but..it will literally do anything |
| 17:02.18 | Insolit | yeah mick_home thanks :D |
| 17:02.21 | steinchen | rahul, just centred together .. ? |
| 17:02.29 | mick_home | Insolit: good luck |
| 17:02.33 | rking | hrm. |
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| 17:02.33 | sudeval | i have the sarge :( |
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| 17:02.42 | rahul | steinchen: together where? |
| 17:02.51 | rahul | steinchen: one on top of the center of the other? |
| 17:02.52 | mick_home | "the sarge" heh |
| 17:03.15 | steinchen | yes |
| 17:03.17 | Braindead | TEH sarge |
| 17:03.18 | rahul | I HAVE THE SARGE!!! TAKE OUT THE SOLDIERS! |
| 17:03.25 | Insolit | mick_home: did not know this started a vnc connection at my home :D |
| 17:03.27 | steinchen | i saw that you can also define the positions of each image |
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| 17:24.05 | fulhack | Hello, I'm trying to set up a PLIP connection between an ubuntu PC and a debian install floppy-set. I've gotten the network guide to set the PLIP connection up, I can however not ping the install floppy from the ubuntu PC. Should I be able to ping an install floppy? |
| 17:24.10 | helo | where do i control permissions to /dev/ttyS0? |
| 17:24.16 | helo | i need to give cups access |
| 17:24.30 | Ch0Hag | Under what circumstances can network and broadcast not be discovered based on the address and netmask settings is /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:24.36 | helo | the install floppy has an ethernet port? nice... |
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| 17:24.48 | fulhack | helo, Funny ;) |
| 17:24.53 | Ch0Hag | In other words - why do they need to be (or why can they be) supplied? |
| 17:25.46 | Ch0Hag | ISTR that at least one of the two is required. |
| 17:26.40 | stew | Ch0Hag: the only time you would need to specify them is when you are doing something non-standard (which would require you setting them specially on ALL the machines on the network) |
| 17:27.02 | stew | Ch0Hag: neither of the two is required they can both be caculated from ip address and netmask |
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| 17:30.49 | pickcoder | g00se: download Knoppix. I've never had it muck up my Debian installs |
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| 17:31.31 | g00se | Probably good idea. But in second shell in Etch installer now. May chroot from there |
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| 17:34.35 | stew | wfq: VFS: unable to mount root? |
| 17:34.45 | wfq | stew, not. that i know lol |
| 17:34.58 | wfq | he said i can load the module... |
| 17:34.59 | Muisje | mount root? :/ |
| 17:35.01 | wfq | i can't remember |
| 17:35.35 | wfq | it just happend when i change my kind of processor to pemtium me |
| 17:35.38 | valdyn | wfq: why don't you use a debian kernel? |
| 17:35.41 | wfq | i think i need to change somthing else |
| 17:36.07 | quitte | wfq did you forget to also make and install the modules? |
| 17:36.08 | wfq | valdyn, ufff because of i am using in mi laptop the same i have got in my job |
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| 17:36.25 | wfq | quite, i have done it. it is so strange |
| 17:36.45 | Insolit | can anyone tell me where to enable root logins through ssh? |
| 17:36.57 | wfq | what i have not done is make clean |
| 17:36.59 | quitte | wfq: honestly. if this seems very strange to you, you probably shouldnt compile you own kernel |
| 17:37.23 | mick_home | hmm, i've just installed etch on a laptop and the screen goes black after starting up |
| 17:37.33 | magnet | Insolit: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 17:37.34 | mick_home | also LUKS says "no volume group found named 'myhostname'" |
| 17:37.44 | wfq | quitte, what i mean is it sounds strange just for changing that i got a kernel panic |
| 17:37.51 | wfq | this is a centrino |
| 17:37.52 | mick_home | any idea wth is going on? |
| 17:37.54 | wfq | sorry |
| 17:38.00 | wfq | a pemtium m |
| 17:38.14 | quitte | wfq: you didn't tell us anything about the kernel. does it use initrd, for example? |
| 17:38.16 | Insolit | magnet: yes thanks :) |
| 17:38.20 | N1ckR | insolit, look for "PermitRootLogin" in t/etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 17:38.51 | mick_home | Insolit: are you kidding me?! |
| 17:39.01 | mick_home | ">can anyone tell me where to enable root logins through ssh?" |
| 17:39.01 | wfq | no, i don't usually use initrd as i put as image scsi and ide and i don't usually use anything that needs initrd |
| 17:39.07 | Enverex | Erm... ok, is it bad that my fstab contains nothing other than "# UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM"? |
| 17:39.18 | jeward | If I want to build a sarge system at this point, I need to point it to oldstable in all cases in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 17:39.29 | valdyn | jeward: or 'sarge' |
| 17:39.35 | quitte | wfq: ok. well at least give us the exact error message |
| 17:39.37 | Ch0Hag | jeward: It would be better to point it to sarge by name. |
| 17:39.41 | jeward | valdyn: sarge is giving me fits. |
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| 17:39.54 | greyfrog | mick_home, look in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 17:39.56 | wfq | yes, let me look in deeper |
| 17:40.09 | Ch0Hag | Can I use the 'select' type in debconf and provide the list of choices at runtime. |
| 17:40.13 | Ch0Hag | Well - HOW can I ... |
| 17:40.20 | greyfrog | mick_home, nevermind, got ya ;P\ |
| 17:40.27 | mick_home | greyfrog: huh? i was quoting Insolit -- that is a Bad Idea(tm) |
| 17:40.31 | Insolit | mick_home: ? |
| 17:40.37 | Ch0Hag | I can find a debconf tutorial but nothing like an API. |
| 17:40.40 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 17:40.41 | Insolit | why am i kidding you? |
| 17:40.41 | HardDisk_WP | i got a WEIRD problem with the nvidia driver |
| 17:40.48 | pickcoder | for some reason multiple regexs under fail2ban are not working |
| 17:41.05 | mick_home | Insolit: that is a horrible idea - you don't need to permit root logins |
| 17:41.06 | pickcoder | are the additional lines tab-spaced or white spaced |
| 17:41.09 | pickcoder | or does it matter |
| 17:41.13 | HardDisk_WP | every time i wanna start X with the proprietary driver it tells me it cant find the driver |
| 17:41.16 | Insolit | mick_home: at the moment i need |
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| 17:41.26 | HardDisk_WP | but the driver is where it should be |
| 17:41.34 | jeward | How do I fix this: |
| 17:41.35 | jeward | W: GPG error: http://debian.security.chinoc.net etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 17:41.39 | Insolit | mick_home: i need to read /var/lib/xdm/authdir/authfiles/A:0-XQvaJk |
| 17:41.41 | magnet | mick_home: PermitRootLogin only allows UID0 to be able to log through ssh; he can still rename the account and remove the root account |
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| 17:41.54 | jeward | Crap, sorry. |
| 17:42.05 | wfq | i am coming back |
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| 17:42.29 | jeward | Same thing with sarge. |
| 17:42.39 | Ronin | jeward: /topic |
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| 17:42.53 | jeward | Ronin: ? |
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| 17:43.05 | Ronin | jeward: read the channel topic |
| 17:43.06 | mick_home | it seems that the screen goes black when gdm starts |
| 17:43.10 | magnet | mick_home: I don't allow remote root login, but allowing it and renaming the root account isn't more dangerous than a username with sudo ALL :) |
| 17:43.13 | mick_home | shit |
| 17:43.22 | jeward | Ronin: I am. I need to build a sarge box. |
| 17:43.44 | jeward | Ronin: To restore a backup of a sarge system over. |
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| 17:43.49 | steinchen | back to montage.. one picture should be the background (http://www.stadtportrait.com/Bilder%20Logos/filmstreifen1.gif) and the other one inside/centered ;) |
| 17:44.35 | Guerin | jeward: install the required key; or just ignore it. |
| 17:44.55 | jeward | Guerin: How do I install it? Or ignore it? :-) |
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| 17:45.11 | stew | jeward: /topic |
| 17:45.18 | Ronin | stew: heh deja vu |
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| 17:45.35 | jeward | stew: All I can see of the topic is: ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new t |
| 17:45.46 | Ronin | jeward: do /topic all ready |
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| 17:45.57 | stew | jeward: type "/topic" |
| 17:46.02 | jeward | Oh, that's better! |
| 17:46.09 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:46.38 | dimir | are you people kicking his arse with a clue stick? |
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| 17:46.55 | jeward | Pardon my irc non-l33tness. :-) |
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| 17:47.05 | dimir | :-D |
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| 17:47.32 | dimir | Actually, non-l337ness is preferred. |
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| 17:47.52 | dimir | What you don't have I'd call different. |
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| 17:48.37 | pickcoder | how do I specify multiple regex rules in fail2ban 0.7.5? |
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| 17:49.00 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:49.05 | jeward | ? |
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| 17:49.28 | dimir | did you update your local repository? |
| 17:49.28 | jeward | It offers a score -303 solution. |
| 17:49.33 | dimir | and use aptitude. |
| 17:49.38 | jeward | I am using aptitude. |
| 17:49.39 | edistar | how secure is dm-crypt? for example if I have a password with 11 chars, how long would it take to crack? |
| 17:49.43 | dimir | go for it and see what does it offer. |
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| 17:49.48 | edistar | or where can I find info? |
| 17:49.49 | LoneShadow | I am trying remaster a knoppix livecd, when I do "apt-get remove package-name" it dosnt respondin egnlish |
| 17:49.55 | LoneShadow | anyone know how to fix the locales ? |
| 17:50.06 | jeward | Okie. |
| 17:50.14 | dimir | LoneWlf: export LANG=C |
| 17:50.16 | randomity | LoneShadow: export LANG=en |
| 17:50.19 | dimir | LoneShadow too |
| 17:50.27 | LoneShadow | ok thanks, let me try :) |
| 17:51.17 | LoneShadow | hmm, its giving some perl warnings about locales failed |
| 17:51.30 | LoneShadow | but its displaying in english now |
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| 17:51.37 | stew | LoneShadow: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:51.41 | dimir | you set it to 'en'? |
| 17:51.45 | LoneShadow | yea |
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| 17:51.54 | dimir | that's why. there is no such locale. |
| 17:51.58 | dimir | It defaults to C. |
| 17:52.14 | stew | LoneShadow: but you should be in #knoppix for help with knoppix |
| 17:52.28 | jeward | dimir: Thanks, I have the box up enough with rsync and ssh to restore the backup on top of it. |
| 17:52.48 | jeward | Then we really need to get our boxes upgraded to etch! |
| 17:52.50 | dimir | \o/ |
| 17:52.53 | Guerin | jeward: make sure you use -p |
| 17:53.17 | LoneShadow | stew: I am in there, figured I will ask debian questions in here :P |
| 17:53.31 | stew | LoneShadow: that's fine. but you shoulnd't ask knoppix questions in here |
| 17:53.32 | jeward | Guerin: Where? |
| 17:53.48 | Guerin | jeward: when restoring. -p preserves permissions. (or use -a) |
| 17:54.01 | jeward | Guerin: I use BackupPC. :-) |
| 17:54.05 | Guerin | otherwise everything will be root:root |
| 17:54.08 | Guerin | oh |
| 17:54.14 | LoneShadow | stew: I am trying to ask generic debian question, just wanted to be clear its not a pure debian system |
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| 17:54.22 | Guerin | you technical types with your newfangled gadgetry |
| 17:54.28 | jeward | Guerin: Thanks though! ;-) |
| 17:54.45 | stew | LoneShadow: I'm trying to tell you that you shouldn't ask questions in here if it is not a pure debian system |
| 17:55.30 | LoneShadow | stew: my understand of knoppix is that is a livecd based on debian, I guess I am wrong |
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| 17:55.42 | Ronin | LoneShadow: based on but not debian |
| 17:55.42 | stew | LoneShadow: you are correct. but knoppix is off-topic here |
| 17:55.57 | LoneShadow | sigh |
| 17:56.03 | LoneShadow | fine forget the knoppix statement |
| 17:56.09 | Ronin | heh too late :) |
| 17:56.16 | dimir | :-D |
| 17:56.19 | LoneShadow | my question was how to fix locales, and I go the answer "use dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 17:56.25 | SerajewelKS | LoneShadow: you can't put toothpaste back in the tube. #knoppix |
| 17:56.28 | dimir | \o/ |
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| 17:56.54 | dimir | come on, you don't have to kick the poor dude out like that! |
| 17:56.59 | dimir | :-P |
| 17:57.04 | Guerin | LoneShadow: for all we know the correct way could have been dpkg-reconfigure knoppix-retarded-locales |
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| 17:57.37 | LoneShadow | so is there a debian livecd I could remaster ? |
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| 17:57.49 | xingu | dpkg-reconfigure whadja-mean-it-ships-with-a-non-en_-default-locale? |
| 17:57.53 | xingu | LoneShadow: mindi |
| 17:57.59 | stew | LoneShadow: live.debian.net |
| 17:58.01 | Ronin | i think there's an unofficial one LoneShadow |
| 17:58.12 | stew | LoneShadow: which is unofficial, yes |
| 17:58.13 | tarzeau | LoneShadow: i created the livecd.gnustep.org |
| 17:58.14 | LoneShadow | xingu: is mindi a pure debian base, or some ppl might get pissed in here :) |
| 17:58.26 | humbolto | I have SSH access only to my sarge server. How can I install an etch installation in parallel on that machine (free partitions are available). |
| 17:58.29 | egon | hello. i got a minimal debian installation and am looged in as root. how do i change the keyboard model and layout please |
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| 17:58.42 | stew | egon: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 17:59.01 | egon | thx. thought there is only apt |
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| 17:59.28 | humbolto | Can I do a chrooted CD install somehow? |
| 17:59.55 | LoneShadow | stew: so if I have questions related to your unofficial livecd, I gotta join #debian-unofficial-distro-supported-by-stew channel ? |
| 17:59.59 | humbolto | What about using VMware and setup a new system with direct partition access? |
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| 18:00.20 | Newk | hello, i try to get DRI running on my mach64 grafics chipset.. i followed some instructions untill here: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/Building#head-b3fb665c9f24b4a32424b78428c082e830832250 then i got stuck with this error message "./autogen.sh: line 9: autoreconf: command not found". Am i missing some commands in the system or is this some other error? |
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| 18:00.51 | Ronin | LoneShadow: no but i suspect they have thier own irc channel somewhere |
| 18:01.45 | stew | LoneShadow: i don't think that channel exists. it seems that you are bitter about the fact that we don't support knoppix in here. i'm sorry about that. #debian-live on irc.debian.org would be the channel for live.debian.net if you have a question about one of the individual packages you could probably get help here |
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| 18:02.42 | LoneShadow | stew: I thought you were bitter, coz I asked a debian question, but happened to mention I hit the problem on a knoppix system |
| 18:03.29 | LoneShadow | I am sure everyone has thier own way of responding to people on irc :) |
| 18:03.33 | quitte | Newk: install autoconf. but unlessyou have a really good reason i wouldn't bother. mach64 is _very_ slow |
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| 18:04.45 | cottima_ | Does anyone recognize this error? "disk error 07, ax = 4280, drive 9f" |
| 18:05.08 | Newk | quitte: but it seems the chipset is pretty fast when running some 3d stuff on windows directx stuff |
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| 18:05.16 | rahul | cottima_: is this like those contests where they play a 1 second clip from a song and you have to guess which song it is? |
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| 18:05.29 | rahul | cottima_: what do I win if I guess right? |
| 18:05.29 | ma3x | how do i turn off the screen blanking? |
| 18:05.35 | ma3x | xset s off won't prevent it |
| 18:05.36 | rahul | ma3x: setterm or xset |
| 18:05.36 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
| 18:05.39 | egon | it was dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 18:05.47 | mutante | in the moments where i would currently use a Knoppix CD, you would probably tell me to use "Debian Live" instead, would you? http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:05.50 | egon | thx for the hint |
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| 18:06.02 | cottima_ | rahul: I am a cheap college student so, a big THANK YOU |
| 18:06.07 | g00se | LoneShadow:>>I asked a debian question, but happened to mention I hit the problem on a knoppix system<< That's kind of a contradiction in terms |
| 18:06.11 | quitte | Newk: is that a laptop? otherwise you really should get something more recent |
| 18:06.19 | stew | g00se: please drop it, lets move on |
| 18:06.29 | g00se | OK ;-) |
| 18:06.37 | rahul | cottima_: nah, not worth the time it takes to guess at the context you're hiding from us |
| 18:06.41 | Newk | quitte: its a laptop |
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| 18:07.16 | quitte | Newk: are you sure there is no dri support for it in etch already? |
| 18:07.24 | LoneShadow | g00se: I am sure if you are aware, my sources.list point to debian depositries. Just cause you decided to name your machine g00se, and you choose customize the packages, your system will not be branded as non debian |
| 18:07.31 | ma3x | Screen Saver: |
| 18:07.31 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:07.34 | stew | LoneShadow: please drop it |
| 18:07.36 | ma3x | i did xset s off |
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| 18:07.40 | ma3x | it still blanks |
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| 18:07.43 | Newk | quitte: do you know how to test that? |
| 18:07.58 | rahul | ma3x: dpms |
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| 18:08.07 | cottima_ | rahul: I think that Nero Express did not verify. Maybe the next question is the result of landing a good job, and the contest winner gets a donation to a few projects. |
| 18:08.09 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.11 | humbolto | Anybody, is there any other way to setup a debian system parallel to a running system other than by using debootsrap? I only have remote access too the machine with SSH. |
| 18:08.15 | quitte | Newk: libgl1-mesa-dri contains mach64_dri.so |
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| 18:08.46 | rahul | cottima_: huh? |
| 18:08.52 | ma3x | rahul, stew? |
| 18:08.56 | rahul | cottima_: do you always talk in riddles? |
| 18:09.00 | Newk | quitte: i did run Armagetron game and blender with only one object and the framerate is not really elegant |
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| 18:09.13 | rahul | ma3x: maybe you have something else running. you need to tell us what you changed... |
| 18:09.23 | ma3x | rahul, i have klaptopdaemon |
| 18:09.25 | quitte | Newk: glxinfo tells you wether dri is enabled or not |
| 18:09.31 | ma3x | changed nothing |
| 18:09.36 | rahul | ma3x: read the docs for that |
| 18:09.43 | rahul | sounds like something that would do it |
| 18:10.20 | cottima_ | rahul: I guess that explain why no one understands me. No, hopefully one day I get a good job and am able to donate to a few open source projects. |
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| 18:10.38 | Newk | quitte: "unable to open display (null)" do i need to have X open? |
| 18:10.48 | quitte | yes |
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| 18:13.14 | Newk | quitte: i see allot lines now.. on the third it says "direct rendering: No" |
| 18:13.19 | Alarm | i just installed webmin and after the installation it tells me as always actually to connect to the interface with: https://rockpc:10000/ . i do that but no page appears at all |
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| 18:13.33 | stew | Alarm: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:13.42 | Alarm | testing |
| 18:13.47 | wedge | Alarm: is webmin up and running? |
| 18:13.51 | Alarm | yes |
| 18:13.56 | wedge | ps aux|grep webmin |
| 18:14.00 | stew | Alarm: webmin isn't supported under etch and later |
| 18:14.01 | Alarm | it does run |
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| 18:14.15 | wedge | stew: you can still get it running on etch :) |
| 18:14.17 | Alarm | alarm 26480 0.0 0.1 3632 728 pts/3 S+ 21:14 0:00 grep webmin |
| 18:14.26 | wedge | Alarm: it's not running then |
| 18:14.32 | wedge | /etc/init.d/webmin start |
| 18:14.43 | Insolit | how do i keep searching a word in a terminal? after using "/" to look for it for the first time |
| 18:14.49 | Alarm | strange , before my system reinstall i could get in the intercafe without any problem , now dont really know what happened , i did install it the same way as always |
| 18:14.58 | rahul | cottima_: oooooookaaaay then |
| 18:15.06 | stew | Insolit: under what app? probably "n" |
| 18:15.08 | wedge | stew: webmin isnt included on etch apt-get cause of the official reason "you shouldn't run it on a public server due to security" |
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| 18:15.21 | abrotman | or hit / again |
| 18:15.31 | stew | wedge: no, its not included with etch becuase it was so riddled with problems that nobody was willing to maintain it for debian |
| 18:15.37 | Alarm | strange , for some reason webmin isnt in the init.d directory |
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| 18:15.48 | rahul | Alarm: webmin doesn't exist. |
| 18:15.48 | stew | wedge: it was up for adoption for over a year with nobody showing interest before it got removed |
| 18:16.03 | Insolit | steve: in the command line when viewing a manual |
| 18:16.08 | abrotman | who would want to adopt webmin .. ew |
| 18:16.10 | Alarm | then how do you explain this: Webmin install complete. You can now login to https://rockpc:10000/ |
| 18:16.11 | Insolit | using "man" |
| 18:16.13 | stew | Insolit: try hitting "N" |
| 18:16.14 | wedge | stew: part of the problem stems from the fact webmin has a very fast development cycle |
| 18:16.17 | stew | Insolit: er "n" |
| 18:16.27 | Insolit | thanks stew :D |
| 18:16.29 | rahul | Alarm: it's a bunch of words |
| 18:16.44 | wedge | when webmin was supported in apt you had to patch it manually cause the maintainer was slow to backport changes |
| 18:16.54 | rahul | Alarm: whatever you did to make that appear has nothing to do with debian, or #debian |
| 18:16.59 | wedge | it was easy to simply apt-get install webmin then upgrade it through webmin all the time. |
| 18:17.07 | xingu | there should be a special bug severity ... fixed, wishlst, ... serious, grave, critical, webmin. |
| 18:17.19 | HardDisk_WP | Newk, do you run on debian testing? |
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| 18:17.32 | stew | wedge: becuase the maintainer didn't care about the package, he was just hoping that someone that did care would come along, when nobody did for a year or so, he had it removed |
| 18:17.35 | Newk | HardDisk_WP: yes |
| 18:17.35 | abrotman | wedge: are you willing to maintain the package ? |
| 18:17.46 | Alarm | well i reinstalled it , i got the message Webmin install complete. You can now login to https://rockpc:10000 . but still nothing is happening |
| 18:18.03 | rahul | Alarm: ask #webmin. webmin is off topic in #debian |
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| 18:18.14 | Alarm | and again no webmin in the /etc/init.d/ |
| 18:18.23 | Alarm | rahul, okie... |
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| 18:18.26 | HardDisk_WP | if yes, then apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg*, then switch in the apt/sources.list to etch, apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 18:18.27 | rahul | because debian does NOT HAVE WEBMIN |
| 18:18.31 | abrotman | yay! |
| 18:18.41 | stew | debian has webmin, just not for stable and later |
| 18:18.47 | rahul | heh |
| 18:18.58 | HardDisk_WP | Newk, then do that what I type...is it possible you use a NVIDIA card? |
| 18:19.06 | rahul | stew: that's an interesting definitoin of "has" you have there :P |
| 18:19.08 | nofxx_ | Alarm, webmin worked flawlesly here..installed yesterday on etch... just got the deb and dpkg it... |
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| 18:19.15 | Alarm | HardDisk_WP, you should try #nvidia , its not the proper channel here |
| 18:19.25 | HardDisk_WP | Alarm, I resolved my problem |
| 18:19.26 | wedge | abrotman: I know nothing of backporting stuff. otherwise I would :) |
| 18:19.32 | stew | nofxx_: i strongly recommend against using their debs. they show a complete lack of understanding of debian |
| 18:19.36 | HardDisk_WP | Alarm, and it *IS* a debian problem |
| 18:19.37 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: lenny? |
| 18:19.41 | wedge | Alarm: install it here.. moment |
| 18:19.42 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: just upgraded xort? |
| 18:19.44 | wedge | I'll give you a package |
| 18:19.46 | rahul | xorg |
| 18:19.49 | HardDisk_WP | rahul, exact! |
| 18:19.51 | Alarm | nofxx_, thats how i also installed it last time and worked. now i dont know whats wrong with it |
| 18:19.51 | abrotman | wedge: has nothing to do with backporting |
| 18:19.57 | wedge | abrotman: http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?groupname=webadmin&filename=webmin_1.350_all.deb&use_mirror=heanet :) |
| 18:20.07 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: yes, others are having breakage with nvidia on the new xorg in lenny |
| 18:20.12 | wedge | that's webmin.com's official debian package |
| 18:20.14 | rahul | reinstalling seemed to fix it |
| 18:20.15 | abrotman | wedge: okay .. good .. so package it for debian .. otherwise .. you and Alarm can go to #webmin |
| 18:20.16 | Alarm | ok let me see wedge |
| 18:20.29 | stew | wedge: i strongly recommend aginst using their packages, read their ITP for details |
| 18:20.29 | HardDisk_WP | rahul, here reinstall didnt work |
| 18:20.33 | nofxx_ | stew, hmm tnx for the info... but. yes.. what wedge said... it was saying for debian... |
| 18:20.37 | Newk | HardDisk_WP: no i have a ATI mobile M1 (Rage LT Pro) in my laptop (compaq 1685) |
| 18:20.44 | Alarm | although thats were i did download my deb file from |
| 18:20.45 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: did you purge all the nvidia packages? |
| 18:20.54 | rahul | Alarm: so you're not using something from debian? |
| 18:20.55 | HardDisk_WP | rahul, yes even rebuild all |
| 18:20.57 | Alarm | seems that something doesnt go well with the installation as i dont see any webmin service |
| 18:21.08 | stew | Alarm: you should email the maintiner of the packages then, if you are having trouble with them |
| 18:21.13 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: oh... you fixed it tho? kernel version issue? |
| 18:21.15 | nofxx_ | Alarm, sure you installed all the extra stuff it needs ? its on the webmin wiki... just one big aptitude line |
| 18:21.16 | wedge | abrotman: I dont say that webmin is the best "point and click" interface. But I do believe it's good for new people who need to get started with debian quickly. |
| 18:21.20 | HardDisk_WP | rahul, i only resolved it with installing the packages from etch |
| 18:21.26 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: oh, interesting |
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| 18:21.28 | Alarm | yeap , all the dependencies |
| 18:21.29 | wedge | However, I'd not advice maintaining apache with webmin... it's awful :P |
| 18:21.36 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: nb, I'm running sid/amd64 here w/ nvidia, no problems. |
| 18:21.43 | wedge | especially if you're a power-user who needs to do lots of stuff to virtualhosts |
| 18:21.46 | Alarm | i will check it, thank you a lot for ur help btw |
| 18:22.02 | stew | anyone that is a poweruser, would hopefully have no desire to come anywhere near webmin |
| 18:22.11 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: did you update your nvidia driver to 9xxx-series? |
| 18:22.13 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, do apt-get upgrade xserver-xorg-* and you will get problems I think...but you are on amd64 so there may be a different build |
| 18:22.17 | rahul | wedge: either way, it's not relevant to #debian, since it's not a debian package |
| 18:22.20 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, freshest driver |
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| 18:22.35 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: from nvidia, or the debian sid one? |
| 18:22.53 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, debian lenny one |
| 18:23.00 | nofxx_ | there is some repo for beryl ? |
| 18:23.06 | rahul | !beryl |
| 18:23.06 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), HOWTO and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 18:23.09 | Alarm | rahul, i dont understand what is the problem of wedge helping me for something that is on the testing repository |
| 18:23.13 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: nb, when I say I run sid, I mean I update about once every two days to the head-of-line packages. |
| 18:23.15 | rahul | Alarm: it isn't |
| 18:23.21 | rahul | Alarm: you SAID it's not in testing |
| 18:23.28 | nofxx_ | rahul, ty |
| 18:23.40 | HardDisk_WP | afk, taking some food |
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| 18:23.46 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: at present there isn't a newer xorg to run than the one installed; and the driver v is 9755 (obviously if your card has been desupported you'll need 93xx |
| 18:23.52 | ma3x | why xchat launches 2 systray icons? |
| 18:23.52 | rahul | Alarm: and the fact is that it's not in testing. end of discussion. it's not a debian-related issue. |
| 18:24.03 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: what hw do you have? 97xx desupported some series 4 hw... |
| 18:24.26 | Alarm | ok. take it easy, i didnt shoot someone, just asked in a wrong channel |
| 18:24.42 | Newk | where do i get the autoconf command? (quitte?) |
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| 18:25.15 | stew | Newk: from the autoconf package |
| 18:25.47 | Newk | ow.. weird i did a search before and i could not find it , but just now i did find it |
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| 18:26.14 | abrotman | Alarm: it's not in debian .. this is a debian support channel |
| 18:26.15 | rahul | Alarm: and you insisted that we were wrong in not supporting something unrelated to debian... please try to be sensible in what you expect from us next time |
| 18:26.26 | stew | guys, stop |
| 18:26.57 | stew | unless you think we should also be punting all of the mencoder, ffmpeg, mythtv, nvidia, fglrx users... which clearly we dont |
| 18:27.05 | Alarm | amazing |
| 18:27.23 | Alarm | still thank you for your time |
| 18:27.24 | rahul | stew: nvidia and fglrx, at least, are packaged by debian |
| 18:27.55 | rahul | we can't fix bugs in the code, but at least we can manage how they get installed |
| 18:28.01 | stew | rahul: then ignore him |
| 18:28.16 | Alarm | ignore is not a debian command ,he cant use it |
| 18:28.22 | Alarm | :) |
| 18:28.35 | Alarm | sorry for being ironic, cant hold it sometimes |
| 18:28.35 | rahul | stew: oh, I'm definitely not helping him with anything he needs in the future |
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| 18:29.02 | abrotman | stew: i'm all for it! |
| 18:29.02 | xingu | rahul: like how to unhose his system again when webmin breaks it? :) |
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| 18:29.16 | abrotman | stew: though at least we have nvidia/fglrx in non-free |
| 18:29.41 | mrbnet | are there other mirrors for security.debian.org |
| 18:29.47 | stew | sure, he was saying 'not in debian' and those, of course, are not in debian |
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| 18:29.49 | abrotman | mrbnet: it is mirrored |
| 18:29.50 | egon | what is this free - none free ? |
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| 18:29.54 | stew | and its more on-topic then, say, whatever moshpit you were in the middle of last night, or how stoned you were the night before |
| 18:30.03 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:30.06 | Newk | mucho thanx guys! brb |
| 18:30.08 | mrbnet | I have been experiencing very slow dl speeds for the last 24hrs |
| 18:30.14 | abrotman | egon: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 18:30.25 | abrotman | mrbnet: everyone is .. the servers are heavily loaded |
| 18:30.36 | Enverex | abrotman, Any particular reason? |
| 18:30.43 | abrotman | Enverex: OO.org updates are big? |
| 18:31.02 | Enverex | (didn't know it had been updated, heh) |
| 18:31.12 | stew | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security is an UNOFFICIAL mirror |
| 18:31.19 | abrotman | last time i saw security.d.o that slow was some massive X update |
| 18:31.26 | stew | yay for modular x |
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| 18:32.38 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, a 6600GT...btw the source of the problem is only the xorg |
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| 18:32.45 | mrbnet | abrotman: thanks |
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| 18:32.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://gnustep.istheshit.net/ |
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| 18:33.16 | xingu | abrotman: that'd be a fun project; plot package verses aggregate current download bitrate verses aggregate concurrent downloaders |
| 18:33.31 | egon | thx abrotman |
| 18:33.54 | xingu | abrotman: the "ftp.*.d.o wtf did all the bandwidth go?" visualisation. :) |
| 18:34.08 | abrotman | xingu: SoC project for sure! |
| 18:34.42 | Ch0Hag | Are there libraries to maintain /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:34.48 | nofxx_ | hum.. how to restore my repo keys? After I[ve added beryl keys I lost this one.... http://security.debian.org etch/updates |
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| 18:34.51 | Ch0Hag | Or am I going to have to hack something together with perl? |
| 18:35.07 | Enverex | Heh, monolithic X, that takes me back to the Gentoo days |
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| 18:35.33 | abrotman | Ch0Hag: apt-cache show network-manager |
| 18:36.23 | Ch0Hag | Is there anything non-gui? |
| 18:36.38 | rahul | etherconf? |
| 18:36.40 | HardDisk_WP | how do I put a package to hold status? |
| 18:36.50 | rahul | or was it netconfig? |
| 18:37.01 | thp | in aptitude with "=" |
| 18:37.02 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: press "=" on the package in aptitude |
| 18:37.10 | Muisje | Anyone knows why ISPconfig isn't allowing external connections (just installed) |
| 18:37.12 | Ch0Hag | echo package hold|dpkg --set-selections |
| 18:37.26 | Ch0Hag | Aptitude pah. |
| 18:37.26 | aptitude | Pah, yourself. |
| 18:37.33 | Ch0Hag | Yes indeed. |
| 18:37.35 | thp | hehe =) |
| 18:37.41 | rahul | poo, themselves |
| 18:37.59 | HardDisk_WP | rahul, making it hold in aptitude doesnt help in apt-get |
| 18:38.08 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: so don't use apt-get |
| 18:38.10 | rahul | duh |
| 18:38.20 | HardDisk_WP | i think its more comfortable |
| 18:38.24 | rahul | you think wrong |
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| 18:38.41 | gioele | best tool to edit the content and sequence of rc.d runlevels? |
| 18:38.53 | rahul | gioele: why? |
| 18:39.02 | rahul | gioele: what's wrong with them? |
| 18:39.04 | Ch0Hag | update-rc.d |
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| 18:39.24 | gioele | rahul: some of them are not needed on my server, that's all |
| 18:39.30 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 18:39.37 | rahul | gioele: so why did you ask for them? |
| 18:39.54 | rahul | gioele: uninstall what you don't want to have |
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| 18:40.04 | stew | gioele: if you just want to be able to check/uncheck stuff use rcconf, if you need to do more sophisticated stuff use update-rc.d |
| 18:40.27 | rahul | if you just want to remove a daemon, use aptitude purge |
| 18:40.33 | gioele | rahul: I want them, but not as standalone servers, xinetd... |
| 18:40.42 | rahul | eek |
| 18:40.42 | wols | gioele: use rcconf |
| 18:40.45 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: /msg dpkg hold |
| 18:40.55 | rahul | rcconf may be the best bet, then |
| 18:41.02 | Ch0Hag | gioele: Or just update-rc.d |
| 18:41.07 | Ch0Hag | It's not hard. |
| 18:41.13 | Ch0Hag | Looks funky though. |
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| 18:41.25 | rahul | Ch0Hag: the obvious solution is not the right one, tho |
| 18:41.37 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, thx |
| 18:41.43 | gioele | rcconf looks perfect |
| 18:41.54 | xingu | every problem has a solution which is simple, obvious, and wrong |
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| 18:42.15 | Insolit | can a vi user tell me how to delete lines? |
| 18:42.19 | xingu | dd |
| 18:42.20 | rahul | Insolit: dd |
| 18:42.32 | rahul | oops, I'm not a vi user. sorry :) |
| 18:42.38 | Insolit | thanks rahul :D |
| 18:42.48 | abrotman | xingu: that's not true! |
| 18:42.52 | Ch0Hag | Delete lots of lines: :q! RET C-p C-a M-d > RET |
| 18:42.58 | Insolit | so i can't delete a line in "insert mode"? |
| 18:42.58 | Azar | Insolit: for more tips on vim (install vim if you do not have it) type: vimtutor << interactive |
| 18:43.10 | abrotman | !tell buchkurish about root |
| 18:43.18 | thp | Insolit: or in vim, interactively: shift+v, move around, press "d" |
| 18:43.32 | thp | ah.. press "x", of course after the shift+v selection |
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| 18:43.53 | Enverex | Vi is to text editors what algebra is to math. It's all good and useful if you need something complicated, but for basic stuff it's just insane. |
| 18:44.11 | Insolit | well vi is useless :P |
| 18:44.17 | xingu | modeless editors shit me these days. |
| 18:44.21 | Insolit | i just use it when i'm forced to |
| 18:44.25 | stew | vi is like masturbation, its not as good as the real thing, but its always available |
| 18:44.27 | gioele | actually cream is very good. The best of vim and the best of emacs |
| 18:44.29 | Ch0Hag | Actually I mostly use vi just for simple stuff. |
| 18:44.31 | Azar | Enverex: I added to my vi training, the nethack game... get the keys movements learned faster |
| 18:44.36 | sbk | Maybe this is a tex, rather than a #debian question. But just in case -- what magic package should I install to make available Optima fonts within plain TeX? |
| 18:44.37 | Ch0Hag | So-called 'simple' editors are nasty. |
| 18:45.08 | Ch0Hag | What is it these days? |
| 18:45.11 | Ch0Hag | nano still? |
| 18:45.31 | Insolit | for a basic editor i prefer emacs |
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| 18:46.07 | xingu | I was going to make a crack about emacs not having a BASIC mode |
| 18:46.14 | Azar | from a scale of 1 to 5 how many here feel that Debian (and maybe gentoo) will be the last and only untainted linux distros left in the near future? |
| 18:46.15 | Enverex | I had emacs on the Amiga, still never figured out what the hell it was for. I remember RexxMast too, no idea what it did but it had a cool icon. |
| 18:46.21 | gioele | rahul: another example of the need to edit rc.d links: courier-pop-ssl requires courier-pop. courier-pop starts (tries to start) a non-ssl server |
| 18:46.22 | xingu | but then I thought this is the bloatware from hell editor we're talking about, it probably does. |
| 18:46.34 | rahul | emacs probably doesn't come with a basic mode |
| 18:46.37 | rahul | but vi probably does :) |
| 18:46.41 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 18:46.41 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 18:46.42 | rahul | vim ,that is |
| 18:46.55 | abrotman | there's vim-tiny |
| 18:47.00 | xingu | or nvi ;) |
| 18:47.03 | rahul | gioele: hrm, that sucks... should be reported as a bug |
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| 18:47.26 | Azar | a 5th grader can learn from the vimtutor |
| 18:47.37 | rahul | fortunately, I need to actually get work done, which prevents me from wasting time with anything but emacs :) |
| 18:47.42 | Ronin | ya but are you smarter then a 5th grader? :) |
| 18:47.59 | Azar | Ronin: I am trying to get there :) |
| 18:48.03 | gioele | to vi and emacs haters: try cream, vim on steroids + simple emacs |
| 18:48.05 | rahul | 98% of people consider themselves to be smarter than the average person |
| 18:48.09 | xingu | these days you're lucky if a fifth grader has opposable thumbs |
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| 18:48.51 | Ch0Hag | I don't like cream. |
| 18:48.56 | Ch0Hag | Except soured cream. |
| 18:49.14 | helo | i got some music from itunes with a gift card on my ex's box... anyone know how i can lift the DRM from them? |
| 18:49.22 | Ch0Hag | In a burrito. |
| 18:49.27 | Azar | hehe |
| 18:49.39 | Gathond | gioele: last time I checked the courier-pop config has an option to enable TLS/disable non SSL mode, so there should be no need to edit anything in rc.d manually |
| 18:49.42 | rahul | no me moleste mosquito |
| 18:49.42 | Azar | helo: complain to the company who sold them to your husband |
| 18:49.49 | rahul | just let me eat my burrito |
| 18:49.50 | wols | helo: burn it to CD |
| 18:49.53 | helo | err sorry let me stay on topic... anyone know how i can play these .m4p files in Debian GNU/Linux? |
| 18:50.13 | rahul | helo: you can't |
| 18:50.13 | helo | no access to the box, i just have the files now |
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| 18:50.27 | rahul | helo: it's not legal to |
| 18:50.36 | helo | i like breaking the law |
| 18:50.39 | helo | i'll do it! |
| 18:50.42 | wols | rahul: look at wine and run itunes there? |
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| 18:50.56 | Clinton__ | Could someone point me to a good guide on integrating Tomcat5 with Apache2 for Etch? Everything I can find is dated... |
| 18:50.59 | Gathond | rahul: the legality probably differs depending on his location |
| 18:51.13 | helo | bah, i'll go try to find that playforsure junk |
| 18:51.16 | gioele | Gathond: yes, something like that (POP3DSTART=NO) but it is annoying anyhow :) |
| 18:51.16 | rahul | Gathond: well, then it was probably illegal to use itunes in that location :) |
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| 18:51.21 | schoppenhauer | hello... like yesterday i am going nuts trying to get some x-server working on my laptop again... neither the stable nore the unstable nore the testing-package work, since this dumb bug with the new xserver-xorg. nothing works, NOT EVEN WITH VESA (i know not to use capital letters, but yesterday many have overread this). i now purge anything related to the xserver and nvidia (i.e. my card). any suggestions what i should try after ... |
| 18:51.27 | schoppenhauer | ... that? (btw. nvidia-xconfig produces a segmentation fault... in testing... some kind of the same bug is mentioned for unstable, but not for testing...) |
| 18:51.35 | Gathond | gioele: right |
| 18:51.41 | rahul | Gathond: except for one place where the courts have overturned the itunes license |
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| 18:52.05 | Azar | schoppenhauer: tried using the stable distro? |
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| 18:52.38 | edistar | can someone help me with the installation of vmware workstation on debian lenny? |
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| 18:52.50 | Azar | schoppenhauer: testing and unstable are most likely not to work on a non-experimented user... |
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| 18:53.02 | abrotman | edistar: such as? |
| 18:54.00 | rahul | edistar: sure. vmware tech support. |
| 18:54.18 | edistar | well, it can't compile the module.. |
| 18:54.21 | Clinton__ | Could someone point me to a good guide on integrating Tomcat5 with Apache2 for Etch? Everything I can find is dated... |
| 18:54.35 | abrotman | edistar: errors are helpful |
| 18:54.40 | edistar | doesn't say any reason :( |
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| 18:54.42 | edistar | thats the problem |
| 18:54.53 | edistar | just tells me to maybe use other headers |
| 18:54.54 | abrotman | do you have anything to show us? |
| 18:54.57 | edistar | but I have the right ones |
| 18:54.59 | ivx | hey what command will tell me what is running on port 25? |
| 18:55.00 | thp | Clinton__: i suppose both packages are available in debian, right? |
| 18:55.05 | abrotman | ivx: fuser -n tcp 25 |
| 18:55.12 | Clinton__ | thp Yes. |
| 18:55.24 | rahul | Clinton__: simply installing them should do it |
| 18:55.32 | edistar | if I want to compile a module, do I need an old gcc then? |
| 18:55.33 | rahul | mod-whatever-apache |
| 18:55.46 | abrotman | edistar: show us the output |
| 18:55.49 | rahul | edistar: you need the same gcc that was used to compile the kernel |
| 18:55.53 | Clinton__ | rahul not true - they are not working together |
| 18:56.00 | DerbyD | hey, i have some memory problem in Debian etch |
| 18:56.03 | edistar | how do I find that out? and how do I set that? |
| 18:56.09 | ivx | abrotman it just says 2486 |
| 18:56.10 | rahul | Clinton__: did you install the apache module that makes them work together? |
| 18:56.14 | DerbyD | i just installed the machine, but is not recognizing 4GB memory |
| 18:56.31 | DerbyD | "lshw" and "bios" show the info properly |
| 18:56.34 | Clinton__ | rahul See, this is where a guide would be nice... What apache module? |
| 18:56.40 | rahul | DerbyD: you need a customized kernel |
| 18:56.46 | edistar | Unable to make a vmmon module that can be loaded in the running kernel: |
| 18:56.46 | edistar | There is probably a slight difference in the kernel configuration between the |
| 18:56.46 | edistar | set of C header files you specified and your running kernel. You may want to |
| 18:56.46 | edistar | rebuild a kernel based on that directory, or specify another directory. |
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| 18:56.46 | DerbyD | I even tried "mem=4GB" |
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| 18:56.54 | rahul | Clinton__: whichever one the apache project makes to do that |
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| 18:56.57 | edistar | sry |
| 18:56.59 | edistar | :( |
| 18:57.07 | Azar | edistar: /msg dpkg paster |
| 18:57.08 | zinx | DerbyD: what CPU? |
| 18:57.10 | thp | Clinton__: the package you need is libapache2-mod-jk |
| 18:57.14 | edistar | I'll use some no paste next time |
| 18:57.21 | schoppenhauer | Azar: what do you mean by non-experimented? i always had testing because most bugs do not have /that/ gravity. i dont use stable because the stable kernel does not work on my laptop, all drivers (acpi, etc.) needed to get it work are testing anyway, and some are even experimental and have dependencies in testing. i never had problems with testing, but if some idiots upgrade packages to a version which has not even been in unstable ... |
| 18:57.22 | DerbyD | rahul: are you sure? |
| 18:57.26 | Clinton__ | thp thank you |
| 18:57.27 | schoppenhauer | ... before... |
| 18:57.30 | rahul | DerbyD: yes |
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| 18:57.43 | zinx | rahul: some of the stock kernels support highmem |
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| 18:57.50 | rahul | DerbyD: trying to support 4GB RAM causes issues with the memory map |
| 18:57.51 | DerbyD | zinx: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.20GHz |
| 18:57.51 | zinx | just not the i386 one. |
| 18:57.52 | ivx | hey, i'm getting an error message from postfix, fatal: bind 0.0.0.0 port 25: Address already in use, how can i see what is running on port 25 and shut it down? |
| 18:57.54 | thp | Clinton__: everything else you need to get running should be available in the docs/example configs for mod_jk |
| 18:57.57 | rahul | ok |
| 18:57.58 | schoppenhauer | Azar: and i even never had problems with the few (/really few/) unstable and experimental packages |
| 18:57.59 | edistar | did you get what I wrote just now or was that blocked too? |
| 18:58.04 | DerbyD | machine recognizes only 2GB |
| 18:58.05 | petemc | ivx: lsof -i :25 |
| 18:58.20 | xingu | HardDisk_WP, schoppenhauer: you both still around: |
| 18:58.26 | rahul | DerbyD: install a p4 kernel |
| 18:58.33 | Azar | schoppenhauer: there is a way to use a stable Debian and get a higher kernel for it through backports..... you keep your X and video settings running |
| 18:58.39 | zinx | DerbyD: get a amd64 or p4 kernel |
| 18:58.40 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, yes |
| 18:58.46 | zinx | wait, D |
| 18:58.53 | zinx | pentium, not core :x |
| 18:58.57 | xingu | HardDisk_WP, schoppenhauer: have you tried the 9xxx drivers? I see the bug reports on this thing are from folk still running 8776 |
| 18:59.04 | zinx | DerbyD: nevermind, amd64 won't work with that :) |
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| 18:59.13 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, how can i see what driver version i have? |
| 18:59.20 | edistar | http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/11756/ |
| 18:59.23 | xingu | HardDisk_WP, schoppenhauer: xserver-xorg-core 1.3 on 9755 / amd64 is fine - I'm running that here. |
| 18:59.31 | edistar | how do I set the gcc version? |
| 18:59.32 | DerbyD | mm ok :S maybe I should get the latest kernel and compile :S |
| 18:59.39 | rahul | you don't set it |
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| 18:59.41 | saimazoon | Hello |
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| 18:59.49 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: dpkg -l nvidia-glx |
| 18:59.49 | saimazoon | Which package was emacs documentation moved to? |
| 18:59.51 | rahul | you install the gcc that was used to compile your kernel |
| 19:00.02 | HardDisk_WP | ii nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 19:00.04 | edistar | how do I know which? |
| 19:00.07 | rahul | you can add -V x.x to your CFLAGS |
| 19:00.08 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: bingo. |
| 19:00.10 | rahul | edistar: uname -a |
| 19:00.15 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, ok how do I update? |
| 19:00.16 | zinx | DerbyD: it's not hard to get a p4 kernel... just aptitude install linux-image-foo |
| 19:00.16 | rahul | er |
| 19:00.22 | rahul | edistar: no... something else |
| 19:00.28 | edistar | yes... |
| 19:00.39 | rahul | cat /proc/version |
| 19:00.58 | rahul | for example, mine has gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) |
| 19:01.04 | edistar | yes |
| 19:01.07 | saimazoon | Hello? |
| 19:01.09 | edistar | It's the same |
| 19:01.18 | edistar | but that doesn't work somehow |
| 19:01.19 | DerbyD | ohh ok |
| 19:01.24 | DerbyD | let me try :P |
| 19:01.38 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/ : you need nvidia-glx, maybe nvidia-glx-dev, and nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 19:01.49 | DerbyD | but p4 kernel will work? I have 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 19:01.50 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: then you need to build the driver using m-a |
| 19:01.51 | DerbyD | :S |
| 19:02.01 | frank | edistar: you need kernel-headers, that fit to your running kernel, as i can from your paste |
| 19:02.09 | frank | +see |
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| 19:02.18 | edistar | I installed the headers for k7 |
| 19:02.21 | edistar | thats my kernel.. |
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| 19:02.29 | xingu | !tell HardDisk_WP about nvidia_post_etch |
| 19:02.30 | DerbyD | zinx: I think the this kernel it's P4 compliant |
| 19:02.38 | schoppenhauer | Azar: why should i use backports which are mostly much more buggy. why should i use stable anyway? testing worked good so far... i had some problems, it is not the first time, that x11 (or grub... or icedove... or xfce, etc...) do completely not work, but in most cases i could manage it myself or by reading the bug reports (yes, though i didnt know the links yesterday, i know how to use reportbug - i am just not able to use links2 in .. |
| 19:02.44 | schoppenhauer | ... a way that i really can find the bugs i am searching for in console mode...). I am not unexpierienced with debian, there are just simply things i dont know because i never had to do them (i.e. i tried anything i know to get xorg work at least with vesa) |
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| 19:02.53 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, i know about that one |
| 19:02.55 | frank | ediand the version you installed exactly matches? |
| 19:02.55 | zinx | DerbyD: pretty much all the x86 kernels will work on a P4, but the P4 one has special support for your CPU |
| 19:02.59 | stew | DerbyD: 686 works with anything newer than a pentium pro |
| 19:03.00 | frank | edistar: and the version you installed exactly matches? |
| 19:03.01 | edistar | yes |
| 19:03.04 | zinx | DerbyD: including PAE and other such things |
| 19:03.08 | stew | (as new as or newer) |
| 19:03.20 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, but which packages from http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/ should I install (and how?) |
| 19:03.26 | zinx | DerbyD: which may give you use of the full 4GB of your memory... |
| 19:03.30 | Azar | schoppenhauer: I stepped aside as xingu was getting you a better way of dealing with.. |
| 19:03.47 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: the 9755 i386 versions of nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-source, and nvidia-glx-dev if you need it. |
| 19:03.53 | edistar | I'm 100% sure |
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| 19:03.56 | schoppenhauer | Azar: xingu suggested to upgrade to unstable as far as i understood him. i wont do that. |
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| 19:04.17 | Azar | schoppenhauer: he noticed there is a bug report with your issue |
| 19:04.29 | xingu | schoppenhauer: you're using testing, right? and xserver-xorg-core 1.3 just busted your nvidia-glx 8776? |
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| 19:04.43 | DerbyD | zinx: Setting up Squid and firewalling |
| 19:04.54 | morggin | is there supposed to be a /etc/modules.conf in etch ? i dont see one |
| 19:05.01 | saimazoon | Hi |
| 19:05.05 | saimazoon | Where are the docs for emacs? |
| 19:05.08 | Azar | morggin: /etc/modules |
| 19:05.14 | edistar | can anyone help me?:( |
| 19:05.34 | Enverex | No-one should be using the 8776 drivers anyway, they are horribly broken |
| 19:05.47 | morggin | do i input stuff in /etc/modules in the same format such as "alias etho eepro100" |
| 19:06.07 | xingu | Enverex: :) they're all fubar, even the new 100.14.09 upstream has bugs :) |
| 19:06.09 | morggin | or rather "alias eth0 eepro100" |
| 19:06.26 | Azar | edistar: the issue is: the gcc compiler compiles your kernel. If at some time you upgrade either kernel or gcc, the version of one of the two changes. In order to compile what you need, the requisite is that the gcc version be THE SAME one that compiled your last kernel. |
| 19:06.30 | xingu | "it'll be fixed in the next version" |
| 19:06.34 | xingu | yah right. |
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| 19:07.15 | edistar | it is... gcc version is the same, kernel and headers are matching but vmware doesn't want to compile its module |
| 19:07.34 | Azar | ah vmware... heard is crappy |
| 19:07.45 | edistar | well... that doesn't help me now ;) |
| 19:07.52 | saimazoon | I can't figure out where emacs documentation has been placed |
| 19:08.08 | Enverex | xingu, Yes but 8776 didn't even have a working EDID which means no screenmodes for you |
| 19:08.17 | Azar | edistar: alas, never used that stuff... |
| 19:08.26 | vyrus001 | why is it that after i resize my lvm partition. my vgdisplay reads as 700 gigs, my lvdisplay reads as 700 gigs, but my df -h still shows the lvm mounted folder at 400g? |
| 19:08.35 | abrotman | edistar: did you try asking #vmware ? |
| 19:08.44 | xingu | Enverex: maybe that's why xserver-xorg-core 1.3 is choking? |
| 19:08.46 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, Paket nvidia-kernel-1.0.9755 ist nicht installiert. |
| 19:08.52 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, its missing a pkg |
| 19:09.03 | edistar | no, thought that it may be a debian specific failure |
| 19:09.18 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: apt-get -f install? |
| 19:09.33 | schoppenhauer | xingu: no. it didnt "just" bust it. i read the bug report meanwhile. it is suggested that i should upgrade nvidia-glx to unstable, i did so, didnt help. here somebody (you?) told me to download the binary driver myself. i did so, but its hard to install and. if i did anything correct (which took me one night) than this doesnt work for me, too. the problem is: i could live without nvidia-glx quite a long time, but xorg doesnt even ... |
| 19:09.36 | frank | edistar: if there are issues between your kernel and vmware version it might help to apply the last anyanypatch from vmware |
| 19:09.39 | schoppenhauer | ... accept vesa anymore as i WROTE IN CAPITAL LETTERS more than one time now. not even vesa. not even the downgrade to stable. not even purging helped (as i know meanwhile) and reinstalling. i didnt even install nvidia-glx (nore did i use it). Xorg.*.log doesnt say anything, i think, since xorg is freezing the computer when starting, it is unable to write any error into that log. now i give up. i DONT KNOW what to do anymore. i have ... |
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| 19:09.45 | schoppenhauer | ... tried anything i could imagine, and so i asked here again (if i didnt try the whole day to get xorg SOMEHOW work, i wouldnt ask here) |
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| 19:10.17 | edistar | never patched anything in my life... thanks anyway! |
| 19:10.19 | edistar | cya |
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| 19:10.32 | SerajewelKS | schoppenhauer: have you tried the nv driver? (not nvidia, nv) |
| 19:10.53 | schoppenhauer | SerajewelKS: yes. as i said I EVEN TRIED VESA. |
| 19:11.01 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: I take it from the error that m-a built it ok, and that the problem is that it's missing a dependancy so dpkg won't install it? |
| 19:11.03 | morggin | do i input stuff in /etc/modules in the same format as in /etc/modules.conf such as "alias eth0 eepro100" |
| 19:11.03 | xand | NO NEED TO SHOUT |
| 19:11.09 | SerajewelKS | schoppenhauer: okay, cool down, i just got here |
| 19:11.36 | xingu | schoppenhauer: nb, vesa isn't the most rock solid piece of code either; it's a neat hack that works sometimes. |
| 19:11.37 | schoppenhauer | SerajewelKS: i am not angry. i just wrote it CAPITAL that anyone else reading the post will read it. |
| 19:11.42 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:11.42 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 19:11.51 | xand | schoppenhauer: it's called shouting |
| 19:11.55 | schoppenhauer | xingu: ok. nv worked too |
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| 19:12.02 | Azar | SerajewelKS: schoppenhauer tried every package around, from stable, testing , unstable, the binary blob... :) |
| 19:12.07 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, problem solved |
| 19:12.20 | Azar | imagine what a stew |
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| 19:12.31 | stew | hi |
| 19:12.39 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: perfect. now go tell the xserver-xorg-guy and rdonald so that the latter can correctly conflicts the former in lenny. |
| 19:12.39 | schoppenhauer | xand: ok. i know its forbidden, but i cannot use stars, since my keymap is not set correct, and i dont find the key with the stars. |
| 19:12.40 | Azar | oh sorry, I ment the real stew |
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| 19:12.41 | SerajewelKS | schoppenhauer: have you tried rebooting? the kernel or video card might be stuck in some unhappy state. |
| 19:12.49 | xand | schoppenhauer: use bold |
| 19:13.00 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, i am not *that* geeky. i first have to try if works |
| 19:13.01 | schoppenhauer | xand: how? i thought stars are for bold |
| 19:13.01 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: and give rdonald a special smooch so that he pushes 97xx into lenny |
| 19:13.02 | Azar | yeah and _underline_ |
| 19:13.17 | xand | schoppenhauer: bold like this, how depends on client ;) |
| 19:13.23 | schoppenhauer | SerajewelKS: yes, i rebooted multiple times |
| 19:13.32 | SerajewelKS | xand: i don't see any bold |
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| 19:13.39 | stew | xand: :) stripped by the irc servers becuase the channels is +c |
| 19:13.41 | Azar | me either, using irssi here |
| 19:13.47 | schoppenhauer | xand: this is not bold... i am using irssi... ok, next time i _underline_, i found the underscore-key |
| 19:13.52 | xand | stew: it's not a colour! |
| 19:14.11 | Redbush | i'm looking for a solid (gigabit) network card for my server machine that has good linux drivers. any suggestions? |
| 19:14.13 | schoppenhauer | even if not, i set colors off |
| 19:14.41 | Azar | schoppenhauer: you seen the "nvidia one-liner" abrotman put up here from dpkg? |
| 19:14.47 | xingu | schoppenhauer: I'll prefix this lot with I'm not having a go, honest; and now for the meat - after that much futzing about it's totally possible that you now have a variety of conflicting bodge in your xorg dir and that this is where the lockups are coming from |
| 19:14.48 | xand | Redbush: intel e1000? |
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| 19:15.06 | Redbush | xand: which chip does that use? |
| 19:15.07 | xingu | schoppenhauer: unpicking the damage that the upstream nvidia installer leaves is a very, very delicate business |
| 19:15.19 | xand | Redbush: well the module is e1000 |
| 19:15.33 | morggin | any idea how i can get tulip driver to stop loading and make eepro100 load instead ? dmesg shows tulip0: EEPROM default media type 100baseTx-FDX. |
| 19:15.45 | xingu | schoppenhauer: the correct solution for you is probably to very carefully unwind all the installed stuff - the upstream driver, all the nvidia-glx's and nvidia-kernel-*'s |
| 19:15.58 | xand | Redbush: Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 02) |
| 19:16.15 | xingu | schoppenhauer: and the target a build that uses 9755 from experimental (unless your card is hideously old and you need a 7xxx or 9631 legay driver) |
| 19:16.24 | xingu | s/legay/legacy/ |
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| 19:16.47 | schoppenhauer | xingu: ok. "purge and install unstable" if i summarize it? |
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| 19:16.53 | xingu | schoppenhauer: no. |
| 19:16.57 | Azar | aren't really old video drivers dropped on newer kernels? |
| 19:17.01 | nofxx_ | yay.. beryl rox on debian... looks faster... |
| 19:17.12 | xingu | schoppenhauer: purge, grab 9755 from experimental, and continue to track lenny which I believe you are currently doing |
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| 19:17.26 | xingu | schoppenhauer: this kind of bustage is what you can sort-of expect from both lenny and sid... |
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| 19:18.07 | xingu | schoppenhauer: the real failing here is that being an nvidia package maint is a hiding to nothing; so sometimes things happen a little more slowly than they should |
| 19:18.31 | xingu | schoppenhauer: 9xxx drivers should be in lenny already, there's no reason not to. |
| 19:18.51 | xingu | schoppenhauer: but they're not; and it's not stable, which means the problem is all yours |
| 19:18.55 | schoppenhauer | xingu: ok. sorry, i dont know what you mean by "grab 9755"? do you mean the driver-version? |
| 19:19.41 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, w0rk3d |
| 19:19.42 | irwiss_ | I always wondered, is there a reason for testing and experimental to have 'lenny/sid' in their name, rather than one of them? |
| 19:19.51 | xingu | schoppenhauer: yes; http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/ - 9755 versions of nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-source, nvidia-glx-dev if you need that too; for your arch, which is i386 if you don't know. |
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| 19:19.59 | irwiss_ | err, experimental = unstable |
| 19:20.02 | Redbush | xand: thanks for the advice :) |
| 19:20.06 | xingu | irwiss_: /etc/release is in base-files. |
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| 19:20.22 | schoppenhauer | xingu: ah sorry... it stands in the aptitude-tree... 9755... i am dumb ^^ |
| 19:20.28 | xingu | irwiss_: having a separate sid-only version of base-files is not a good thing |
| 19:20.31 | atp | hey, does anyone know if there's an application for linux that lets me add text to pdf forms, you know, to fill them out? |
| 19:20.36 | xingu | schoppenhauer: there you go then |
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| 19:20.44 | xingu | schoppenhauer: the other thing you need is this... |
| 19:20.47 | morggin | anyone else have issue with Intel Pro/100 VE begin detected as DECchip 21130 |
| 19:20.55 | xingu | !tell schoppenhauer about nvidia_post_etch |
| 19:21.18 | darkapostrophe | Is there a way of measuring how much power USB devices draw? I have two Razer mice, one Copperhead and one Diamondback. I want to see which uses less, so I can use it on a laptop. |
| 19:21.23 | xingu | schoppenhauer: you've probably done something similar; but you need to do all of the above in a structured fashion, otherwise your result will be suspect. |
| 19:21.28 | stew | irwiss_: packages are moved from unstable to testing automatically without changing the packages, so /etc/debian_version has to say both |
| 19:21.33 | wols | !tell morggin about blacklist |
| 19:21.53 | xand | darkapostrophe: an ammeter |
| 19:22.03 | darkapostrophe | xand: for USB? |
| 19:22.08 | xingu | schoppenhauer: the steps are; first, spring clean; next, catch up the xorg bits to lenny-current; then get 9755 organised; then m-a build nvidia-kernel-.... and install it. |
| 19:22.14 | wols | multimeter you mean |
| 19:22.16 | xand | darkapostrophe: it would require soldering ;) |
| 19:22.20 | xingu | schoppenhauer: finally, you should have a working display; I hope. :) |
| 19:22.25 | morggin | thanks wols |
| 19:22.26 | darkapostrophe | xand: You know what? Never mind. |
| 19:22.32 | darkapostrophe | xand: :) |
| 19:22.49 | xand | darkapostrophe: multimeter + unwanted usb extension cable |
| 19:23.03 | darkapostrophe | Ok |
| 19:23.06 | irwiss_ | stew; Ah, I was just about to ask what 'not a good thing' is, thanks, my curiosity has calmed down now :P |
| 19:23.28 | stew | xand: and what would you do with the extension cable? |
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| 19:23.41 | xingu | schoppenhauer: nb, the "system hangs on display init" is a symptom of many potential causes; one of which is having both lint from an upstream (from nvidia) package built and added /with/ a debian nvidia-glx package also added. |
| 19:23.47 | g00se | '/bin/sh no such file or directory occurs' after trying to chroot. Why? |
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| 19:23.58 | xand | stew: cut it in half and connect the red (power) wire via the multimeter |
| 19:24.30 | xingu | schoppenhauer: the nvidia-kernel-* package you build with m-a from nvidia-kernel-source is a very simple wrapper around the hardware; the nvidia-glx package contains amongst other things a hw accelerated opengl-ish blob that gets uploaded to the card /using/ the -kernel- driver. |
| 19:24.46 | xingu | schoppenhauer: if you have multiple -glx blobs lying about, the wrong thing usually happens. |
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| 19:25.10 | xingu | schoppenhauer: hopefully this is demystifying things a little for you |
| 19:25.32 | stew | g00se: chroot is trying to launch a shell inside the chroot, but can't find the sh binary in order to start the shell |
| 19:25.42 | morggin | wols: will blacklisting work for Etch also ? |
| 19:26.00 | stew | g00se: does '/bin/sh' exist inside the chroot? |
| 19:26.04 | xingu | schoppenhauer: on the other topics; the "nv" driver needs its own xorg.conf bits and that's delicate too; if you accidentally haul in "glx" in xorg.conf, and, there's one to haul in - again sometimes this can give you the frozen display thing. |
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| 19:26.38 | g00se | stew: you mean does it exist in what i'm trying to chroot into? |
| 19:26.47 | cottima | has anyone installed onto scsi drives? |
| 19:26.51 | xingu | schoppenhauer: vesafb and the vesa xorg driver can crap themselves too; not all vesa implementations were created equal to start with, and for instance vesafb has been known to lock hard under heavy scrolling/ screen updates. |
| 19:26.53 | xand | !anyone |
| 19:26.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:26.55 | stew | g00se: yes |
| 19:27.08 | xingu | schoppenhauer: it's been several years since I last struggled with that though so my knowledge is quite dated. |
| 19:27.14 | stew | cottima: yes. tons of peopole have. as your real question |
| 19:27.27 | g00se | stew: can't be certain but pretty sure /bin/bash does |
| 19:27.32 | xingu | schoppenhauer: nvidia advise not to use vesafb with their (nvidia-glx) xorg drivers |
| 19:27.55 | stew | g00se: /bin/sh should likely be a symlink to /bin/bash or /bin/dash |
| 19:28.25 | cottima | stew: I have tried to do a fedora install and it did not recognize the scsi, but I really want to do debian. do I need to type any parameters in on the install start? |
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| 19:28.35 | g00se | stew: Ah. Maybe /dev/hda1 is *not* my HD..? |
| 19:28.39 | morggin | !tell morggin about udev |
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| 19:28.43 | protoloco | which is the best aplication to backup an enterprise Network(servers).. i have been using "AMANDA", is any ther good option ? |
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| 19:28.57 | qrck | is it it somehow important with wich kernel u start installing debian ? like smp and non-smb enabled ones ? |
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| 19:29.08 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: woot! :) |
| 19:29.09 | Enverex | Is it possible for a machine to boot and work properly without an fstab file? |
| 19:29.14 | enouf | backuppc comes to mind protoloco .. though i have it installed, i haven't yet used it |
| 19:29.17 | xand | cottima: did you try it and see? |
| 19:29.19 | qrck | i debootstrapped etch but got sid now...wtf??? |
| 19:29.39 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, yep...and the nvidia splash screen looks much better now |
| 19:29.40 | tarzeau | qrck: you did something wrong probably |
| 19:29.40 | enouf | protoloco: perhaps look at mondorescue.org too (though perhaps not enterprise-ish) |
| 19:29.44 | pickcoder | darkapostrophe: does lsusb not show the current draw for the device? |
| 19:29.52 | HardDisk_WP | qrck, you debootstrapped "testing" possibly |
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| 19:30.00 | stew | cottima: in general, no. have you tried the debian installer? |
| 19:30.04 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: now go send rdonald and xserver-xorg-core maints a group hug and tell them to push 9755 into lenny |
| 19:30.06 | cottima | xand not yet, I am just annoyed right now, so I thought I would ask |
| 19:30.12 | darkapostrophe | pickcoder: Not without options..do I pass any? |
| 19:30.16 | pickcoder | -v |
| 19:30.23 | qrck | HardDisk_WP, that's true it's called testing version of netinstall from pc_magazine i think (CD) |
| 19:30.28 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: and also update 8776-4 to conflicts on xserver-xorg-core 1.3 |
| 19:30.31 | xand | cottima: anyway, depends on your scsi card and kernel (debian version) |
| 19:30.33 | darkapostrophe | pickcoder: ah. om |
| 19:30.34 | qrck | oh my oh my.... |
| 19:30.36 | darkapostrophe | pickcoder: ok* |
| 19:30.55 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: I don't want to have to solve this problem every night. :) |
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| 19:31.30 | HardDisk_WP | qrck, ich wuerde dir dazu raten lenny (testing) beizubehalten |
| 19:31.41 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, yea...but how to reach 'em |
| 19:31.46 | xand | !de |
| 19:31.46 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 19:31.47 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: bts |
| 19:31.52 | qrck | HardDisk_WP, ok danke, dann ändere ich die sources.list bald |
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| 19:32.41 | HardDisk_WP | qrck, nee, ein downgrade von testing auf etch is beschissen und wird nicht wirklich ghehen |
| 19:32.42 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: update bts 420177 |
| 19:32.49 | xand | HardDisk_WP: do you mind? |
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| 19:33.28 | qrck | HardDisk_WP, das sind dann die symptome die ich grad erlebe... |
| 19:33.28 | Greyscale_ | aha |
| 19:33.28 | qrck | glaubsch |
| 19:33.28 | qrck | kein wunder |
| 19:33.45 | HardDisk_WP | qrck, hmm alles auf lenny setzen, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 19:33.52 | cottima | should I use lvm? |
| 19:33.52 | xand | !tell HardDisk_WP about de |
| 19:33.59 | valdyn | cottima: yes |
| 19:34.00 | qrck | HardDisk_WP, ok dank dir |
| 19:34.07 | HardDisk_WP | qrck, join #debian-de |
| 19:34.19 | xand | Greyscale_: orly |
| 19:34.27 | valdyn | cottima: lvm is preferable as long as you are able and willing to learn it |
| 19:34.34 | Greyscale_ | xand, wrong channel :P |
| 19:34.42 | xand | Greyscale_: orly? |
| 19:34.44 | xand | :P |
| 19:34.51 | Greyscale_ | xand, it was for this: http://i17.tinypic.com/4tknxqr.jpg |
| 19:34.51 | morggin | is there a channel for linux-hotplug ? |
| 19:35.10 | cottima | valdyn: that is what I thought, but I have ghost and it currently says it only supports ext3/2\ |
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| 19:35.12 | cottima | stew and xand: wow the installgui is nice, even has a "screenshot" button, and most of all, it supports my scsi controller from the start for lazy, dumb me! |
| 19:35.15 | xand | Greyscale_: worrying |
| 19:35.25 | Greyscale_ | yes. |
| 19:35.49 | schoppenhauer | ok... i will reboot now... and hope it will work... |
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| 19:39.18 | enouf | beschissen <-- that's gotta mean biatch ;-) |
| 19:39.37 | HardDisk_WP | no... |
| 19:39.45 | sussudio | shit upon? |
| 19:39.51 | HardDisk_WP | but anyway, gtkpod crashes everytime I want to save settings |
| 19:40.10 | HardDisk_WP | in console it says "Speicherzugriffsfehler" (memory access error= |
| 19:40.19 | HardDisk_WP | how to find out what is wrong? |
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| 19:40.38 | HardDisk_WP | its definitively not my memory, I have tested it 4hrs without errors in memtest |
| 19:40.52 | enouf | sussudio: was guesing from a german line he was telling some about the ills/woes of downgrading .. it fits ;-) |
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| 19:41.52 | maddash | HardDisk_WP: submit a bug report and have someone else do the work for you? |
| 19:41.56 | maddash | HardDisk_WP: or gdb? |
| 19:42.15 | HardDisk_WP | maddash, what is gdb? |
| 19:42.26 | maddash | HardDisk_WP: GNU DeBugger |
| 19:42.28 | qrck | HardDisk_WP, seems really i was trying to downgrade ....lol |
| 19:42.48 | drako | ControL = p0rn spammer. |
| 19:42.49 | HardDisk_WP | maddash, ok...how do I operate it? |
| 19:42.56 | maddash | HardDisk_WP: or backport the bugfix yourself. |
| 19:43.15 | HardDisk_WP | maddash, what bugfix? i dunno about one |
| 19:43.23 | maddash | HardDisk_WP: heh, good question. all I know is that it's like a cli ollydbg. |
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| 19:43.56 | maddash | HardDisk_WP: maybe the gtkpod site has a newer version that fixes your bug. |
| 19:43.57 | Enverex | Quick poll, what WM/Desktop Env does everyone here use? |
| 19:44.08 | wols | !poll |
| 19:44.08 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 19:44.25 | enouf | badgers.. yummy |
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| 19:44.38 | g00se | When you install grub, does *it* make a /boot directory? |
| 19:44.39 | sussudio | %eat enouf |
| 19:44.47 | sussudio | :-| |
| 19:44.50 | wols | g00se: no |
| 19:44.50 | HardDisk_WP | maddash, gtkpod is not really frequently updated... |
| 19:44.52 | enouf | haha .. little late |
| 19:44.52 | clovisw | hi, there is a way to set a --limit-rate like WGET for network install boot CD ? |
| 19:45.03 | enouf | sussudio: she's getting dressed ;-P |
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| 19:45.07 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 19:45.11 | g00se | wols: Thanks |
| 19:45.15 | enouf | hah |
| 19:45.26 | sussudio | %bear enouf |
| 19:45.31 | Enverex | Right, so anyone know a channel ~not~ full of asshats? |
| 19:45.38 | wols | g00se: /boot is where your kernel lives |
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| 19:46.06 | wols | Enverex: just avoid mirrors and that "seeing asshats" problem solves itself |
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| 19:46.16 | Enverex | HAHA, so damn funny. |
| 19:46.17 | enouf | i'll %fist you laterz .. |
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| 19:46.32 | g00se | wols: something v odd has happened. After booting with Live CD, my /boot dir has seemingly gone, unless i'm being thick |
| 19:46.48 | wols | g00se: is your /boot a separate partition? |
| 19:47.15 | xingu | that'll teach him to tmpfs mount it. |
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| 19:47.57 | enouf | Enverex: well .. i have some remnants of KDE still (Konsole, and one or two other small apps have grown on me) .. |
| 19:48.12 | g00se | wols: no - i don't think Etch install created it |
| 19:48.19 | Enverex | enouf, Am I imagining it or is Konsole a bit faster than Gnome-Term? |
| 19:48.23 | valdyn | !popcon |
| 19:48.24 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:48.27 | valdyn | Enverex: ^^^ |
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| 19:48.37 | wols | g00se: I don't believe you. installs without installing a kernel are kinda useless |
| 19:48.46 | enouf | Enverex: ugh .. i loathe gnome-terminal looks/acts/feel |
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| 19:49.12 | enouf | Enverex: i haven't used it enough do determine which is actually sater |
| 19:49.12 | wols | g00se: why are you mounting with a live cd? |
| 19:49.16 | enouf | er faster |
| 19:49.16 | Enverex | valdyn, Skued results. Gnome gets installed by default if you select desktop env |
| 19:49.31 | qrck | thx enouf i fixed it ... |
| 19:49.32 | g00se | wols: i mean i don't think it create separate /boot partition |
| 19:49.43 | valdyn | Enverex: popcon does not. People who are able to find and setup popcon dont fall over tasksel defaults |
| 19:49.45 | Feto | ok now that did it |
| 19:49.58 | Feto | installed windows xp pro x64 instead |
| 19:50.00 | Feto | then vmware |
| 19:50.01 | wols | debian also has a kde cd and a xfce one |
| 19:50.03 | Feto | then debian |
| 19:50.07 | Enverex | valdyn, It asks you if you want to install popcon when you install Debian, loll |
| 19:50.14 | valdyn | Enverex: oh |
| 19:50.18 | _Rubyxx | I have a 2mb /s broadband connection but the synaptic package manager is downloading at 20 kb/s....Is this a problem on my side? |
| 19:50.20 | enouf | Enverex: that's almost changed now .. iirc, i think there's both a way to install kde instead, and a KDE default CD/DVD? ..not up on it |
| 19:50.31 | enouf | qrck: excellent, cheers |
| 19:50.33 | wols | _Rubyxx: use another mirror |
| 19:50.34 | valdyn | Enverex: well, guess you could be right then |
| 19:50.38 | Enverex | enouf, I just grabbed the Etch 4 CD and installed from that |
| 19:50.46 | cottima | valdyn is there a good, small tutorial on lvm? |
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| 19:50.48 | wols | Enverex: what 4 CDs? |
| 19:50.53 | pickcoder | I was getting like 1-3K/sec when Etch got released |
| 19:50.56 | pickcoder | heh |
| 19:51.05 | stew | _Rubyxx: from security.debian.org? |
| 19:51.07 | valdyn | !lvm |
| 19:51.07 | dpkg | i heard lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 19:51.33 | Enverex | My issue is I like some things in KDE (icon alignment, all icons the same size, better file browsing abilities, etc) but I like things about Gnome too (things, other than the file browser, feel more polished, etc) but also lothe features of both too :/ |
| 19:51.39 | Enverex | Going mad trying to decide |
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| 19:51.53 | Enverex | wols, Debian 4, not 4 CDs |
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| 19:52.44 | _Rubyxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.50 | valdyn | Enverex: can what you hate a bout gnome/kde be customised in each? |
| 19:52.51 | enouf | Enverex: there's xfce too to try as well as a ton of other WMs |
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| 19:53.32 | valdyn | Enverex: for instance, there's alternative file managers for gnome that do integrate pefectly fine |
| 19:53.34 | _Rubyxx | don't know. |
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| 19:54.39 | enouf | _Rubyxx: i get very high speeds (cable modem) on larger pkgs, and slower speeds on smaller ones .. are you noticing that? Are you using a mirror close geographically to you? |
| 19:55.01 | Enverex | enouf, XFCE is perfect as a WM but lacks... well, pretty much everything if you think of it as a DE... |
| 19:55.21 | Enverex | valdyn, There are? I thought Nautilus was key due to it being the desktop n all |
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| 19:55.31 | enouf | Enverex: well .. i'm not really a "DE" guy that's why i said i'm stuck too |
| 19:56.16 | clovisw | hi, there is a way to set a --limit-rate like WGET for network install boot CD ? |
| 19:56.37 | enouf | Enverex: i don;t use file managers (or rarely) .. and loathe those integrated ones like Konq, and never see icons, start menus etc etc |
| 19:56.47 | abrotman | clovisw: i don't think so |
| 19:56.54 | Enverex | I like pretty colours so... yeah, icon whore |
| 19:57.15 | enouf | Enverex: telling me i can't copy this, can't make a dir there .. all that nonsense .. plus it taked forever to nmove about |
| 19:57.19 | bashman | hi i need a trafic shaper. I nedd limit the BandW. in some ports. jo... debian way. Of cource. some name in special?... |
| 19:57.19 | abrotman | _Rubyxx: does it say which package ? |
| 19:57.32 | abrotman | bashman: always or just per instance ? |
| 19:57.41 | Enverex | enouf, I find term faster for some things and GUI for others. Guess it's just how the mind works |
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| 19:57.55 | bashman | abrotman, o_O |
| 19:58.05 | bashman | always |
| 19:58.06 | abrotman | bashman: do you want the limit as needed .. or always ? |
| 19:58.10 | abrotman | !info wondershaper etch |
| 19:58.15 | dpkg | wondershaper: (Easy to use traffic shaping script), section net, is extra. Version: 1.1a-4 (etch), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 19:58.19 | bashman | !info wondershaper etch |
| 19:58.27 | enouf | Enverex: i do need my Fonts looking clear and crsip and purdy, and my window options, border choices, scroll placements, tab placements in order , and such |
| 19:58.54 | mrbnet | I have created a virtual adapter so my smtp server is on a separate ip. Do I need to add a static route that routes it back out that virtual adapter? |
| 19:58.56 | enouf | Enverex: try a browser like links2 -g .. and see the diff between that and any of the Major ones |
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| 19:59.03 | _Rubyxx | sorry I'm checking |
| 19:59.06 | enouf | Enverex: for example |
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| 19:59.31 | abrotman | bashman: on your system .. apt-cache show wondershaper .. read the description .. see if that sounds like what you need |
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| 19:59.53 | enouf | Enverex: i',m mostly on a p2 heree.. and just opening anything K* takes ages ... chuggs along .. finally appears ..;-) |
| 19:59.57 | g00se | Related question: when grub installs, does *it* create menu.lst? |
| 20:00.08 | abrotman | bashman: there's also 'shaper' |
| 20:00.12 | enouf | Enverex: got a decent anmt of ram for a p2, 320mB |
| 20:00.12 | Enverex | enouf, Ah, I see why you prefer the term |
| 20:01.00 | valdyn | g00se: yes, but that's a config file, with all its implications |
| 20:01.17 | enouf | Enverex: but even browsing .. opening pages, loading/unloading pages .. takes years compared to lightweight alternatives like dillo, links2 -g both GUI |
| 20:01.38 | enouf | Enverex: links2 itself is TUI console too |
| 20:01.41 | Enverex | Well yeah, FF can be slow as hell on my A64 X2 3800+ with 2GB of DDR400 |
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| 20:01.43 | cottima | valdyn is it possible to add another partition to lvm after installing? |
| 20:01.47 | valdyn | Enverex: pcmanfm does the desktop too |
| 20:01.54 | enouf | Enverex: and a Mem hog leaker |
| 20:01.54 | g00se | valdyn: Thanks yes. I just can't understand how a Live CD could have fscked up my booting so thoroughly |
| 20:02.10 | valdyn | cottima: uh |
| 20:02.16 | _Rubyxx | The top two lines of my source list are 1. deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free 2. deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free, should I move them below the main contrib entries? |
| 20:02.16 | valdyn | cottima: you need to understand lvm first.. |
| 20:02.26 | enouf | Enverex: that whole gecko thing was a nice alt to IE*, but now, i'm really thinking bloat ;-P |
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| 20:02.49 | valdyn | cottima: one lvm 'physical volume' resides on a block device of your choice. That can be a partition or a whole disk, for instance |
| 20:03.32 | valdyn | cottima: that physical volume can contain an arbitrary amount of logical volumes ( where you create the actual filesystems on, like partitions ), that are arbitrarily resizable |
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| 20:03.53 | enouf | Enverex: whoa .. an X2 w/ddr400? still slow? I bet it gets slower the longer your uptime is, (or browser instance is open) |
| 20:03.58 | _Rubyxx | abrotman: The top two lines of my source list are 1. deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free 2. deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free, should I move them below the main contrib entries? |
| 20:04.23 | valdyn | cottima: now if a physical volume is on a partition, obviously everything else on that disk is free for more partitions |
| 20:04.46 | Enverex | enouf, Firefox on my laptop if I opened lots of pictures or pages with it would use ALL the machines RAM.... and it wouldn't go back down after you closed FF |
| 20:05.00 | enouf | Enverex: ever test if starting a cpu intensivce task alongside those 'slow loads' ever interferes? makes it better? offloads some CPU to the other core? |
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| 20:05.16 | abrotman | _Rubyxx: i wanted to know what they were downloading |
| 20:05.32 | abrotman | _Rubyxx: anuyways .. security.debian.org is running very slowly .. i assume that's what you're seeing |
| 20:05.45 | enouf | Enverex: right .. hence my points about it .. but i might still use it , if it was atleast fast all the time -- evern if it leaked after long instances of being open |
| 20:05.56 | Enverex | enouf, Doesn't seem to affect it, but if the machine is lagging on IOWaits then it doesn't seem to open at all, heh |
| 20:06.05 | enouf | ouch! |
| 20:06.12 | _Rubyxx | abrotman: How do I see what distrib my package mgr is connected to? |
| 20:06.23 | abrotman | i don't use synaptic. . i have no idea |
| 20:06.24 | enouf | Enverex: laptop eh? 5100 rpmer? |
| 20:06.28 | enouf | er 5400 |
| 20:06.29 | abrotman | i would assume there's a console for it somewhere |
| 20:06.30 | _Rubyxx | lol |
| 20:06.46 | cottima | so the debian install has partition(s) made then one is used for lvm if I choose lvm |
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| 20:07.08 | Enverex | enouf, I was referring to the desktop machine in that regard (the Athlon64) |
| 20:07.18 | valdyn | Enverex: what you described is a serious kernel or X bug, both of which are rather unlikely compared to pebkac |
| 20:07.18 | enouf | Enverex: oh ,. heh |
| 20:07.40 | morggin | is there someplace i can read specificly about Etch Udev ... im looking how to disable a hotplug device under etch .. i have found something about disabling modules through rc.conf but there is not such file on my system |
| 20:07.40 | Enverex | valdyn, ... how exactly does memory leaking occur due to PEBKAC? |
| 20:07.48 | enouf | er badger |
| 20:07.52 | cottima | valdyn: I think I am beginning to understand |
| 20:08.06 | Enverex | enouf, The slowness on occasion is the desktop, the all RAM usage was on the older laptop |
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| 20:08.23 | _Rubyxx | I know people say to use the apt-get command but its hard to use a terminal rather than GUI when one is coming from Windows to Linux |
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| 20:08.46 | qrck | _r |
| 20:08.49 | qrck | err |
| 20:08.51 | morggin | _Rubyxx try aptitude |
| 20:08.52 | enouf | morggin: some info here /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 20:09.02 | morggin | thank enouf |
| 20:09.07 | morggin | thanks rather |
| 20:09.12 | pickcoder | _Rubyxx: there are X package managers like Synaptic |
| 20:09.17 | enouf | no worries |
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| 20:09.28 | qrck | _Rubyxx, there are many people here who have gone through all the sorrow of it...but it's rather amusing in retro |
| 20:10.18 | enouf | there's even <sigh> KPackage manager |
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| 20:10.34 | abrotman | enouf: is gnome-apt still around ? |
| 20:10.41 | enouf | abrotman: no idea .. |
| 20:10.55 | Enverex | Use Synaptic. Adept is broken and KPackage is a bit weird. |
| 20:11.03 | schoppenhauer | ok... nothing worked :(... i give up for today :(... no driver, no x-server, nothing works. does anyone at least have an idea how to get the framebuffer work? |
| 20:11.05 | enouf | abrotman: i actually never use gnome .. i bump into it from time to time |
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| 20:11.41 | abrotman | !info gnome-apt sarge |
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| 20:11.53 | pickcoder | http://hubpages.com/hub/_86_Mac_Plus_Vs_07_AMD_DualCore_You_Wont_Believe_Who_Wins |
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| 20:11.59 | ma3x | (EE) module ABI minor version (7) is newer than the server's version (6) |
| 20:12.01 | ma3x | (EE) Failed to load module "synaptics" (module requirement mismatch, 0) |
| 20:12.03 | ma3x | what package is causing that? |
| 20:12.05 | ma3x | synaptics? |
| 20:12.14 | cottima | valdyn: is it possible to add a folder such as /tmp to another volume (after I make first volume (as /)) just as I would assign /tmp its own parition? (if i am wrong do not worry, it is like you say I need to understand lvm first. |
| 20:12.21 | dpkg | gnome-apt: (graphical package manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.4.7-1.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 245 kB, Installed size: 772 kB |
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| 20:12.29 | pickcoder | good ole 68K processors |
| 20:12.36 | enouf | schoppenhauer: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, choose VESA? |
| 20:12.55 | valdyn | cottima: that issue is the same on lvm as with partitions |
| 20:13.00 | morggin | lol ... to bad i dont have lynx installed ... is there another application installed by default to view html ? |
| 20:13.10 | morggin | i might add through console |
| 20:13.10 | schoppenhauer | enouf: already did this... |
| 20:13.13 | abrotman | aptitude install lynx ? |
| 20:13.22 | valdyn | cottima: migrating /tmp involves adding an fstab entry and setting the permissions properly after its mounted |
| 20:13.24 | enouf | ma3x: you've been messing with releases and versions .. |
| 20:13.35 | morggin | wish i could ... cant get the network card to come up ... |
| 20:13.45 | abrotman | then how will you browse the web ? |
| 20:13.49 | ma3x | enouf yes I had to tweak some things |
| 20:13.49 | enouf | and building against the wrong gcc orr something (maybe) |
| 20:13.50 | valdyn | cottima: or are you talking about the installer? |
| 20:13.52 | abrotman | morggin: see if links or links2 is installed |
| 20:13.58 | ma3x | enouf can you find out what package is causing it? |
| 20:14.06 | ma3x | it says version mismatch |
| 20:14.09 | morggin | thanks .. tryin to view html help file in usr/share |
| 20:14.10 | ma3x | what with what? |
| 20:14.29 | ma3x | what with xserver-xorg? |
| 20:14.30 | cottima | valdyn: theoritically AND the installer |
| 20:14.41 | valdyn | cottima: ok, i dont know about the installer. |
| 20:14.53 | enouf | ma3x: from the error, it seems the client(synaptic) and server(X) ??? are mismatched |
| 20:14.55 | valdyn | cottima: but what you asked for is identical on lvm and partitions |
| 20:15.08 | schoppenhauer | any idea how to get a framebuffer work with nv or nvidia? or whatever? |
| 20:15.16 | ma3x | enouf so synaptics belongs to xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, right? |
| 20:15.27 | abrotman | morggin: are they there ? |
| 20:15.29 | valdyn | cottima: power of lvm comes into play when you resize 'partitions' ( that's logical volume in lvm lingo ) |
| 20:15.32 | enouf | ma3x: erm .. dunno offhand .. |
| 20:15.38 | abrotman | morggin: which docs are you trying to read? or what are you trying to fix ? |
| 20:15.48 | enouf | oh.. that's the synaptics touchpad stuff? ma3x ? |
| 20:16.22 | stew | ma3x: yes, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 20:16.34 | cottima | valdyn: Thank you very much, I am sure I understand at least one basic concept of lvm. |
| 20:16.35 | cottima | (the installer has one parition for boot and another for lvm, so I will add a volume as I need such as /tmp) |
| 20:16.56 | enouf | ma3x: yeah .. heh i thought you meant the package manager lol |
| 20:16.59 | enouf | ma3x: ii xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 0.14.7~git20070517-1 Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org/XFree86 |
| 20:17.10 | valdyn | cottima: right |
| 20:17.16 | enouf | ma3x: but that's sid's version (or atleast lenny's) |
| 20:17.22 | ma3x | yeah |
| 20:17.25 | ma3x | thanks stew |
| 20:17.26 | cottima | valdyn sweet! Thank you |
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| 20:18.52 | valdyn | Enverex: look at pcmanfm btw |
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| 20:19.29 | enouf | pickcoder: saw that some time back .. nice ;-) |
| 20:20.27 | enouf | pickcoder: here's a karsten fav for your viewing pleasure "Why I Hate Frameworks" http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431.12 |
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| 20:23.42 | lan1g1r0 | so basically fedora borked my mbr and i had to use a debian net install to make a base installation just to get grub back |
| 20:23.52 | Enverex | valdyn, That's that for? |
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| 20:24.15 | lan1g1r0 | is there some form of graphical frontend for configuring grub? |
| 20:24.33 | sussudio | nano? |
| 20:24.46 | lan1g1r0 | is that directed at me? |
| 20:25.14 | enouf | lan1g1r0: you can opern menu.lst in any editor |
| 20:25.17 | Coweater | lan1g1r0: only ones i know of are built into graphical installers of various distros |
| 20:25.39 | lan1g1r0 | ok thanks |
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| 20:26.04 | enouf | you might need privileged perms though to edit/save/write |
| 20:26.07 | lan1g1r0 | thanks guys |
| 20:26.09 | abrotman | lan1g1r0: there is one for gnome .. never used it though |
| 20:26.21 | lan1g1r0 | ooh please tell |
| 20:26.43 | dondelelcaro | you most likely don't need one though; menu.lst is pretty self explanatory |
| 20:26.45 | enouf | i dunno .. the Grub She;ll is pretty graphical to me .. |
| 20:27.08 | lan1g1r0 | where is menu.lst stored? |
| 20:27.22 | enouf | well . it doesn't really accept mouse input (atleast the way mine's se up) |
| 20:27.31 | stew | lan1g1r0: /boot/grub or /boot/boot/grub |
| 20:27.34 | enouf | in /boot/grub |
| 20:27.36 | lan1g1r0 | thanks |
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| 20:30.04 | lan1g1r0 | hmm how do i make grub look at this particular menu.lst? |
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| 20:30.18 | lan1g1r0 | i have two installations of debian now, one base and one customized... |
| 20:30.18 | thor_ | how to hide icons on gnome desktop (my computer/home/trads) |
| 20:30.30 | lan1g1r0 | i had to install the base one to get the mbr back |
| 20:30.43 | abrotman | thor_: maybe make it a .file ? otherwise ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 20:30.49 | mick_home | i have been having issues w/ a fresh install on my laptop (screen goes black at gdm) |
| 20:31.07 | mick_home | is this because i used a netinstall and it pulled a new x-server (maybe buggy?) |
| 20:31.10 | thor_ | abrotman ok |
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| 20:31.48 | mick_home | i just did an apt-get upgrade on this box and i'm not sure i want to restart x (from the issues that i saw yesterday -- people were complaining about X issues) |
| 20:33.00 | stew | mick_home: if you are going to wait for a day when people in here don't have x issues, you are going to wait for a long time :) |
| 20:33.12 | sudo_maddash | heh. |
| 20:33.24 | mick_home | stew: it was after an upgrade that X broke for them |
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| 20:33.44 | mick_home | and it was a LOT of people |
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| 20:35.01 | mick_home | i'll just reinstall (w/o fetching network updates) |
| 20:35.34 | sudo_maddash | sweet. i just got a 5400 rpm HD. now my box is fast as ever. |
| 20:35.53 | sudo_maddash | by 'box', I meant 'debian bootup' |
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| 20:36.51 | sudo_maddash | isn't there some dpkg/aptitude command to output the parent package of a particular file? |
| 20:37.53 | LinuxNIT | apt-file search filename |
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| 20:37.57 | vin` | sudo_maddash: dpkg -S or use apt-file if you haven't installed it yet |
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| 20:38.48 | sudo_maddash | vin`: thanks. why apt-file when dpkg -S can do it? |
| 20:39.27 | g00se | The file /sbin/init is still there in Etch i take it? |
| 20:39.58 | Enverex | Is it possible for a machine to boot and work properly without an fstab file? |
| 20:40.03 | vin` | sudo_maddash: if you don't have the file ie. haven't installed the package yet, apt-file helps |
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| 20:40.17 | LinuxNIT | sudo_maddash, dpkg -S searches installed packages apt-file searches both installed and not yet instaled packages |
| 20:40.28 | sudo_maddash | cool, so apt-file == offline packages.debian.org? |
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| 20:41.32 | sudo_maddash | no, nvm....not offline. |
| 20:42.17 | Enverex | amazed no-one knows the answer to this |
| 20:42.35 | sudo_maddash | Enverex: er, try it? |
| 20:43.05 | valdyn | Enverex: why would it not be possible? |
| 20:43.07 | sudo_maddash | Enverex: it's like asking, will the sun shine through the window if I draw the shades? |
| 20:43.51 | valdyn | Enverex: its quite possible, its nonsensical to do it |
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| 20:46.01 | Enverex | sudo_maddash, valdyn You two just contradicted each other |
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| 20:47.24 | mick_home | what happens if you want to continue development of a dead project on sf.net ? i can't get in touch w/ the admins (they don't email me back) :-( |
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| 20:47.45 | mick_home | i don't want to fork it (i hate forks) -- i would just like to continue development |
| 20:47.56 | sudo_maddash | Enverex: i think we both answered an affirmative, in our own ways. |
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| 20:49.12 | ma3x | Reloading Postfix configuration...postfix/postfix-script: fatal: the Postfix mail system is not running |
| 20:49.14 | ma3x | failed. |
| 20:49.16 | ma3x | why ? |
| 20:49.30 | valdyn | ma3x: read? |
| 20:49.40 | mmlj4 | tail -f /var/log/mail or something while you start it manually |
| 20:49.50 | ma3x | valdyn, but when I start it it says starting |
| 20:49.52 | valdyn | ma3x: postfix cant reload anything when its not running - start it |
| 20:49.53 | Gathond | ma3x: well it says its not running, probably that is why |
| 20:50.01 | ma3x | and /var/log/mail.log shows nothing else but the last reports from last time |
| 20:50.08 | ma3x | Gathond, but I tried to run it restart it |
| 20:50.23 | ma3x | it is running |
| 20:50.27 | ma3x | i can telnet to localhost 25 |
| 20:50.36 | Gathond | ma3x: something (configuration error?) might prevent it from starting |
| 20:50.38 | valdyn | postfix logs to /var/log/mail.log? |
| 20:50.47 | ma3x | yes |
| 20:50.54 | ma3x | but I restored my backup to /var |
| 20:51.00 | ma3x | so something must have affected it |
| 20:51.10 | Enverex | sudo_maddash, "will the sun shine through if I close the curtains" sounds like a no :P |
| 20:51.17 | ma3x | -rw-r----- 1 root adm |
| 20:51.19 | ma3x | is that right? |
| 20:51.35 | sudo_maddash | "...if I draw the shades?" |
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| 20:51.56 | valdyn | ma3x: you cant just restore /var without having the other stuff "in sync" |
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| 20:52.00 | Enverex | sudo_maddash, Sorry, shades |
| 20:52.05 | ma3x | valdyn, what other stuff? |
| 20:52.14 | valdyn | ma3x: / , /usr |
| 20:52.17 | schoppenhauer | ok... i have a GUI now. if anyone is interested in what I did... just ask. |
| 20:52.26 | ma3x | valdyn, i restored /usr /lib ..... too |
| 20:52.58 | ma3x | what now? |
| 20:53.06 | ma3x | do I kill the running processes and start it again? |
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| 20:53.25 | Enverex | valdyn, Well the reason I asked was Debian seemed to install without giving me an fstab, it's just a one line comment that says "#FSTAB for base system" |
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| 20:54.39 | mmlj4 | something seems hosed |
| 20:54.47 | schoppenhauer | hm... then... does anybody know how to add a "shutdown"-button to xdm? i dont want to install gdm now, and xfce has none, or - i dont know how to activate xfce's, didnt find out. |
| 20:54.59 | ma3x | valdyn, what doi do |
| 20:55.03 | valdyn | Enverex: d-i creates a proper fstab, normally, are you using something else than the stable ( etch ) installer? |
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| 20:55.36 | Enverex | valdyn, Nope, it was the stable Etch installer, netinst one |
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| 20:56.16 | sparrw | when a debian package is compiled without optional features, is the man page in said debian package updated to reflect that? |
| 20:56.18 | sudo_maddash | Enverex: and you've followed through with the installation and tried booting? |
| 20:56.30 | mmlj4 | sparr: doubtful |
| 20:56.39 | sparrw | should it be? |
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| 20:57.05 | Enverex | sudo_maddash, Yeah, it's the machine I'm using now |
| 20:57.10 | grendal_prime | i got a box that keeps hanging on the "starting periodic command scheduler :crond" init item. |
| 20:57.16 | valdyn | sparrw: it should |
| 20:57.22 | Enverex | sudo_maddash, It installed fine and boots fine, it just seemed bizaare that I don't have an fstab |
| 20:57.31 | grendal_prime | now the vpn on it is up and i can get to it from another machine, but..its not completeing its boot process? |
| 20:57.32 | mmlj4 | actually, no. the man page is a static document, it doens't know what features or flags you compile the app with |
| 20:57.46 | sparrw | valdyn: if the package in question was bash, would fixing the man page be of any significant priority? |
| 20:57.57 | kalashari | how do I see a list of all packages installed on my debian box |
| 20:57.58 | valdyn | sparrw: report a bug.. |
| 20:58.01 | mmlj4 | unless debian does something I'm completely unfamilair with, anyhow |
| 20:58.19 | sparrw | valdyn: cant, im not using debian right now so i cant verify it. i will when i can though |
| 20:58.42 | valdyn | sparrw: documentation bugs probably cant be grave, no idea |
| 20:58.56 | valdyn | sparrw: but debian maintainers usually are quick and responsive |
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| 21:03.22 | jeward | I'm getting this strange error when trying to install a new kernel: dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success |
| 21:03.27 | jeward | Any ideas? |
| 21:03.32 | LinuxNIT | hey guys, Any ideas as to why my mp3player (phillips hdd6330) is not showing up under fdisk -l? |
| 21:03.42 | grendal_prime | i got a box that keeps hanging on the "starting periodic command scheduler :crond" init item. |
| 21:03.50 | valdyn | !usb storage |
| 21:03.50 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 21:04.07 | thor_ | when i start debian,before login i shall push down (ctrl+d) to continue to login screen |
| 21:04.09 | thor_ | how to avoid this |
| 21:04.10 | LinuxNIT | valdyn, i loaded both of those modules |
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| 21:08.46 | thor_ | when i start debian,before login i shall push down (ctrl+d) to continue to login screen |
| 21:08.47 | thor_ | howto avoid this |
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| 21:10.26 | LinuxNIT | thor_, it sounds like you are booting in "single user" mode. Remove the word "single" from the grub menu.lst |
| 21:10.32 | LinuxNIT | on the kernel line |
| 21:10.45 | zekus_ | hello. i installed the last version of debian on my vista installed computer. after install when booting it can noy find the partition which grub tries to mount as /root. /dev/sda3 does not exist etc. and it drops to the busy box. any idea? |
| 21:11.28 | zekus_ | the hdd is sata. may it be a cause? |
| 21:11.47 | Muisje | What could cause the € euro sign not to be progressed/outputted by html? |
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| 21:12.04 | thor_ | linuxnit yes i am single user booting |
| 21:12.07 | thor_ | ok i will try thanks |
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| 21:15.51 | maxdoubt | is there a program that facilitates running apt-get dist-upgrade on a lot of boxes? or do people just usually script this by hand |
| 21:16.41 | pickcoder | maxdoubt: I don't think that anyone, with any kind of sanity, would consider blindly dist upgrading |
| 21:17.10 | abrotman_ | but using apt-proxy woudl be nice of you :) |
| 21:17.24 | pickcoder | dist upgrades can go wrong and when they do it's not pretty |
| 21:17.28 | InsolitWork | anyone here uses pm-utils for hibernate? |
| 21:17.32 | InsolitWork | *to hibernate |
| 21:17.32 | maxdoubt | pickcoder, well that's what i mean... is that there should be a way to sort of automate the process of upgrading lots of computers... but being able to intervene |
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| 21:17.49 | jeward | How do I determine which package provides /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? |
| 21:17.53 | maxdoubt | pickcoder, hence a specific application that provides this functionality |
| 21:18.03 | RaphaelZ | hi, im trying to find some ppl who are using awstats with debian etch, any of you laddies here? |
| 21:18.04 | pickcoder | maxdoubt: multiple ssh connections? |
| 21:18.16 | pickcoder | to answer you, I'm not aware of one |
| 21:18.18 | maxdoubt | pickcoder, see that's really dirty... i'm talking about thousands of computers |
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| 21:18.57 | maxdoubt | pickcoder, some will have different sources.list files, based upon if they are testing boxes or production boxes |
| 21:19.20 | maxdoubt | pickcoder, i'm just brainstorming how to use apt as a complete and total release/upgrade/management system |
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| 21:19.56 | pickcoder | a network admin console would be useful in that case |
| 21:20.07 | maxdoubt | pickcoder, could you give me an example? |
| 21:20.39 | pickcoder | your admin server would keep track of all the machine's package versions |
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| 21:22.02 | pickcoder | or each machine could monitor itself and report periodically |
| 21:22.12 | maxdoubt | pickcoder, yeah, that's exactly what i'm envisioning |
| 21:22.25 | Muisje | What could cause the € euro sign not to be progressed/outputted by html? |
| 21:22.32 | maxdoubt | pickcoder, do you know of any apps that do this that I could use as a reference? |
| 21:22.54 | InsolitWork | is there a way to avoid that hibernate automatically makes a system to boot into the system where the hibernation was taken? |
| 21:23.07 | g00se | Would being in Knoppix in single-user be the reason it ignores attempts to boot my Etch partition? |
| 21:23.14 | maxdoubt | pickcoder, its like apt works as a pull-down method... but i want to be able to tell the machine (or groups of machines) to pull-down |
| 21:23.18 | pickcoder | maxdoubt: not off the top of my head |
| 21:23.42 | pickcoder | consider anti-virus network admin tools like AVG Network edition |
| 21:23.51 | Supaplex | !rescue |
| 21:23.52 | dpkg | methinks rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ |
| 21:24.05 | Supaplex | g00se: ^^^^^^^ |
| 21:24.39 | maxdoubt | pickcoder, i'm surprised that something like this doesn't already exist |
| 21:24.43 | g00se | Tried it - problems. Someone here said user K |
| 21:24.48 | abrotman_ | maxdoubt: maybe preseeding? |
| 21:24.58 | abrotman_ | maxdoubt: perhaps try asking the debian-user mailing list |
| 21:25.06 | maxdoubt | abrotman, will do |
| 21:25.26 | Supaplex | g00se: you're so vague. whatever. |
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| 21:26.01 | g00se | Sorry - someone else at box - not me |
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| 21:27.21 | morggin | etch : not loading some kernel modules howto ? |
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| 21:29.43 | morggin | i tried making /etc/modprobe.d/00local with "install tulip /bin/true" but that still dosn't seem to work |
| 21:30.34 | rahul | morggin: shouldn't udev automatically load that? |
| 21:31.06 | karsten | WTF is an "mht" document? Some MS webby thing. |
| 21:31.21 | morggin | udev detects tulip but the card is actually e100 |
| 21:31.44 | morggin | a modprobe e100 loads up no problem |
| 21:31.53 | karsten | "Microsoft Hypertext Archive Format". WTF's wrong with tar.gz. Feh. |
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| 21:32.12 | morggin | but i seem to be getting a conflict because i cant keep tulip from loading |
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| 21:32.49 | morggin | the 00local is supposed to stop udev from loading the listed module |
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| 21:34.01 | Tailsfan | Hello, Does Debian run well on CD-RW |
| 21:34.54 | epsilon | 'run well'? |
| 21:35.03 | Tailsfan | As in run at normal speed |
| 21:35.06 | Tailsfan | or what not |
| 21:35.15 | lontra | Tailsfan: you mean like a live cd? |
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| 21:35.23 | xen_masta | It'll run as well as a live cd. |
| 21:35.25 | epsilon | that's problem of you CD-ROM, not of OS |
| 21:35.33 | epsilon | +r |
| 21:35.47 | xen_masta | yeah, if your CDROM is 4x, it'll be slow. |
| 21:35.59 | Tailsfan | Well, I wanted to install Debian actually |
| 21:36.01 | xen_masta | It will never be as fast as a HDD installation, in any case. |
| 21:36.03 | karsten | Tailsfan: 1: there's no stock LiveCD version of Debian, though there are several projects based on it. 2: Use noppix as your gudie, it's largely based on Debian and performance would be comperable. |
| 21:36.12 | karsten | Tailsfan: What xen_masta said. |
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| 21:37.05 | wedge | Tailsfan: you can load your cd into ram =) if you have a lot of it.. |
| 21:37.08 | wedge | there're some solutions on how you can do that... |
| 21:37.21 | karsten | Tailsfan: The problems are: 1: far slower rotational speed of a CDROM drive, and (more significantly) *vastly* greater head seek times due to the inertial mass of the CDROM head. That's going to make any from-disk reading, particularly noncontiguous blocks, much, much slower. Pumping up the RAM will help as you'll cache more, but you'll still go slow every time you run from disk. |
| 21:37.54 | xen_masta | Or you can go grab some old 20GB HDD from your local swap meet and install it on that. Prolly run you $10 plus gas. |
| 21:37.55 | karsten | Hrm: Trees have it in for the cops in La.: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/06/13/national/a194220D38.DTL&hw=power+outage&sn=001&sc=1000 |
| 21:38.07 | karsten | xen_masta: Dunno, gas is expensive these days. |
| 21:38.16 | xen_masta | hahahah |
| 21:38.19 | RaphaelZ | Debian etchs users who use awstats in here? |
| 21:38.27 | karsten | !tell RaphaelZ about polls |
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| 21:38.34 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 21:38.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:38.35 | karsten | !tell RaphaelZ about ask |
| 21:38.57 | karsten | RaphaelZ: In general: avoid awstats, particularly in CGI mode. Long history of really bad security issues. |
| 21:39.13 | RaphaelZ | karsten: not possible to avoid anymore |
| 21:39.16 | karsten | RaphaelZ: Cronned and made web-available: not quite so scary. |
| 21:39.17 | RaphaelZ | and yes, using cgi :> |
| 21:39.38 | RaphaelZ | karsten: why is it not so scary when made web-available? |
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| 21:39.49 | RaphaelZ | oh sh.. not using cgi, sry |
| 21:39.54 | RaphaelZ | we're no module |
| 21:40.04 | RaphaelZ | on |
| 21:40.14 | Tailsfan | How much does Debian need for install? |
| 21:40.18 | RaphaelZ | 10 bucks |
| 21:40.26 | karsten | Tailsfan: Send me $100,000 and I'll do it for you. |
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| 21:40.40 | RaphaelZ | !tell karsten bad joke |
| 21:40.54 | Tailsfan | I really mean that |
| 21:40.58 | karsten | Tailsfan: How much *what*? |
| 21:41.06 | RaphaelZ | karsten don't be a wise ass |
| 21:41.08 | xen_masta | Tailsfan: a regular install with just the bare minimum will need a little over half a gig. |
| 21:41.16 | Tailsfan | How much Disk space does Debain take up on an install |
| 21:41.21 | Azar | Tailsfan: there you go |
| 21:41.37 | karsten | Tailsfan: As much as you can give it. |
| 21:41.37 | lontra | talisfan: depends on what you install |
| 21:41.41 | rahul | Tailsfan: as much as you want |
| 21:41.45 | Gathond | Tailsfan: from 200MB to some 32 GB , depending on how much crap you install |
| 21:41.46 | Tailsfan | Thanks |
| 21:41.47 | xen_masta | But if you want a GUI and some other bells and whistles, you'll want to allocate more space. |
| 21:41.48 | lontra | base install is very small |
| 21:41.50 | Azar | Tailsfan: basic, or the full desktop? |
| 21:42.20 | Tailsfan | basic, desktop, inter, music, whatever is basic |
| 21:42.24 | karsten | Tailsfan: Base install: about 100-200 MB, but that's got very little on it. Full X11: I'd say 4-6 GB is minimum, 10GB is about the least I'd be happy with. |
| 21:42.35 | xen_masta | Tailsfan: if you just want to screw around and see what it's like, allocating 4GB would suffice. |
| 21:42.41 | karsten | Tailsfan: If you've got a 20-200GB HD don't worry about it. |
| 21:42.44 | lontra | full kde install w/ 1.8 GB |
| 21:42.47 | Tailsfan | I only have a 6 Gig drive |
| 21:42.53 | Enverex | I did only the "base system" install and it too 462MB |
| 21:43.01 | Enverex | *took |
| 21:43.03 | somian[0] | better a wise ass than a dumb jerk. |
| 21:43.05 | karsten | Tailsfan: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ "System Requirements" answers your question. |
| 21:43.06 | Azar | Tailsfan: I guess 2 gig is more than enough |
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| 21:43.35 | xen_masta | Tailsfan: if you can use the whole drive, give it 1GB swap and use the remaining 5 for / |
| 21:43.38 | karsten | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
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| 21:43.52 | Tailsfan | Thanks |
| 21:43.52 | Azar | xen_masta: the remaining 5 for pron |
| 21:43.53 | lontra | Tailsfan: if you want more room for music, etc. .. install a small nice wm and then pick and choose what you want |
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| 21:43.58 | xen_masta | hahaha |
| 21:43.59 | epsilon | 4GB for desktop base install (usual stuff + KDE + gnome + Office), then personal files in /home |
| 21:44.11 | rahul | if it's a 6 GB drive, I doubt he has enough hysical ram for 1 gb swap to make sense |
| 21:44.13 | karsten | Tailsfan: I've got tuned minimal installs that fit into about 150 MB. Shell/recovery tools only. Install manual recommends 5 BG. |
| 21:44.14 | lontra | xen_masta: 1 GB for swap? |
| 21:44.16 | Tailsfan | Just GNOME will be fine for DMs |
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| 21:44.22 | lontra | that's ridiculous |
| 21:44.32 | karsten | lontra: No it's not. |
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| 21:44.36 | Azar | lontra: is the standard... |
| 21:44.44 | lontra | karsten: w/ a 6 GB harddrive it is |
| 21:44.47 | rahul | karsten: he probably has 64 or 128 MB RAM |
| 21:44.55 | Tailsfan | 128 Megs |
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| 21:44.58 | epsilon | Tailsfan: 3GB is minimum for desktop install |
| 21:45.01 | Azar | eh then makes sense |
| 21:45.22 | xen_masta | lontra: I have a bunch of old 6-10 GB drives sitting around, and I plop them into a machine with 2GB ram when I play around with new OSes. |
| 21:45.25 | abrotman | epsilon: it is not |
| 21:45.45 | rahul | Tailsfan: I'd do a 3-4 GB /, 256-512MB swap, and the rest for /home, depending on the size of the apps and of the user files you'll be having |
| 21:45.48 | abrotman | it's not even close |
| 21:45.52 | Azar | ok he wants a gnome desktop . what would be the max? - including the swap? |
| 21:46.03 | rahul | gnome with 128MB RAM? |
| 21:46.05 | abrotman | gnome requires swap ? |
| 21:46.11 | abrotman | rahul: it'll work .. :) |
| 21:46.17 | rahul | abrotman: with 128MB RAM, it requires swap |
| 21:46.18 | Tailsfan | For me probably, yeah |
| 21:46.20 | xen_masta | Tailsfan: listen to rahul, those look like good settings given your space. |
| 21:46.32 | xen_masta | though I'd use xfce instead of gnome. |
| 21:46.35 | epsilon | abrotman: on desktop uses 2.5GB / + 0.5 /var, standard desktop install woth KDE/Gnome/Office |
| 21:46.36 | abrotman | rahul: requires? maybe not .. but run like frozen molasses without .. yes |
| 21:46.39 | xen_masta | a little less resource intensive |
| 21:46.46 | epsilon | s/on/my |
| 21:46.46 | abrotman | epsilon: you have two DEs |
| 21:46.54 | rahul | you'd want a total of 1 GB memory for gnome |
| 21:47.01 | abrotman | rahul: oh that's crap |
| 21:47.04 | Tailsfan | well, I perfer gnome, has easier codec installs |
| 21:47.09 | abrotman | gnome runs nicely on 256MB |
| 21:47.10 | rahul | especially if you were interested in running a web browser |
| 21:47.19 | xen_masta | I use xfce |
| 21:47.21 | rahul | firefox alone doesn't run nicely on 256MB |
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| 21:47.28 | abrotman | rahul: but really .. who uses FF? |
| 21:47.29 | abrotman | :) |
| 21:47.34 | rahul | !penixstrike abrotman |
| 21:47.34 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:47.34 | Azar | for 128mb of RAM he has to be conservative |
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| 21:47.40 | saimazoon | Hello |
| 21:47.41 | rahul | ok, ASS badger. |
| 21:47.42 | Exy|LT | abrotman, What do you use? |
| 21:47.49 | abrotman | Exy|LT: opera and epiphany |
| 21:47.51 | karsten | lontra: You scale yuor sap to your memory load, not your disk, and if you've got a 6 GB HD, you need more HD. |
| 21:47.52 | saimazoon | Is there any way to revert back to etch if I temporarily tried testing? |
| 21:47.52 | xen_masta | assbadger? That's a good one. |
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| 21:47.56 | Tailsfan | FF Rules |
| 21:48.00 | abrotman | saimazoon: no |
| 21:48.04 | saimazoon | I mean, move the packages back to its original etch version |
| 21:48.06 | saimazoon | damn |
| 21:48.12 | Azar | sigh... |
| 21:48.16 | abrotman | saimazoon: you can attempt the downgrade .. but it might not work |
| 21:48.26 | abrotman | !downgrade |
| 21:48.26 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 21:48.28 | rahul | %badger |
| 21:48.28 | badgers | it has been said that badger is bar baz quuz thump |
| 21:48.33 | lontra | karsten: yes but how much memory load do you need with 128 MB RAM? |
| 21:48.36 | kalashari | how do I kill ALL php proccesses ? |
| 21:48.40 | saimazoon | thanks |
| 21:48.49 | epsilon | killall php |
| 21:48.59 | abrotman | kalashari: with apache? |
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| 21:49.04 | karsten | lontra: I figure 2-3x RAM, but the real question is: how much memory load are you putting on the system. I'd say an upgrade's in order here. |
| 21:49.13 | karsten | lontra: You've got handhelds with better specs than that system. |
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| 21:49.21 | saimazoon | I hope it's not troublesome |
| 21:49.28 | kalashari | no, from shell... |
| 21:49.29 | Tailsfan | Well, Does Debian boot as a Live CD or is there a install option? |
| 21:49.33 | lontra | karsten: i agree but i do about 2x ram for swap in general |
| 21:49.35 | karsten | lontra: 2-4 GB RAM, 200+ GB disk, 4-8 GB swap. |
| 21:49.45 | abrotman | kalashari: it's probably killall php4 or php5 |
| 21:49.47 | kalashari | i need to kill all php processes for eaccelerator to take effect |
| 21:49.57 | abrotman | isn't eacclerator for apache ? |
| 21:49.58 | kalashari | btw with lighttpd |
| 21:49.58 | lontra | karsten: that sounds good to me :D |
| 21:50.03 | karsten | lontra: Sane base-level desktop these days. Sure, I've got systems I've configured w/ less but I'd not be particularly happy with 'em today. |
| 21:50.33 | karsten | lontra: The 240GB swap box is actually a compute server here, 8 CPUs, 32GB RAM. |
| 21:50.42 | kalashari | i still have some php5 <defunct> |
| 21:50.51 | abrotman | try killing the PPID |
| 21:50.59 | g00se | If it's Etch rescue would it be root=/dev/hda or root=/dev/hda1 |
| 21:51.03 | g00se | ? |
| 21:51.08 | abrotman | depends on your system |
| 21:51.12 | Exy|LT | abrotman, Does Opera still look awful? It did last time I looked (colours and style looked like Windows 95) |
| 21:51.13 | karsten | kalashari: They're zombies, kill their parents. |
| 21:51.14 | karsten | !zombie |
| 21:51.15 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 21:51.57 | Bracki | how can i force the group of a directory? |
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| 21:52.41 | abrotman | Exy|LT: uhm .. it's a Qt app .. you can theme it if you choose .. not to mention it has its own themes .. so if it looked awful .. that was your fault |
| 21:52.46 | kalashari | how do I kill parents |
| 21:52.47 | kalashari | i mean |
| 21:52.50 | abrotman | get the PPID |
| 21:52.50 | Bracki | lets say /test is owned by foo and should be writeable by group bar |
| 21:52.52 | kalashari | I did already |
| 21:53.01 | abrotman | so kill the PPID |
| 21:53.03 | thingfish | hehe with an axe, of course. |
| 21:53.05 | rahul | you can ps axf if you want a tree view |
| 21:53.15 | epsilon | Bracki: chown foo:bar, chmod 775 |
| 21:53.38 | Bracki | now when foo creates a file in /test the file's permissions are set to foo:foo and not foo:bar |
| 21:53.47 | epsilon | set sticky bit |
| 21:53.56 | kalashari | i just did kill 22313 and its still there |
| 21:54.01 | Bracki | epsilon: how? |
| 21:54.39 | epsilon | man chmod (or whatever explains these nasty stuff) |
| 21:54.53 | abrotman | Exy|LT: http://my.opera.com/community/customize/skins/ |
| 21:54.59 | Exy|LT | abrotman, Ah, didn't know it was themeable, I thought it used its own single thing |
| 21:55.05 | epsilon | that sticky thing set for /usr/src |
| 21:55.15 | Exy|LT | I'm not too keen on closed source stuff that used to be adware |
| 21:55.26 | abrotman | Exy|LT: neither am i .. but nothing else is close IMO |
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| 21:55.54 | Exy|LT | Erm, is it me or does Icedove hve no icon? |
| 21:56.16 | lontra | Exy|LT: 2.0 in sid? |
| 21:56.21 | Exy|LT | Yeah |
| 21:56.26 | lontra | Exy|LT: yup |
| 21:56.33 | abrotman | Exy|LT: it's the only thing that i use that i haven't been able to replace .. i tried to do it with epiphany .. but too many shortcomings and FF/IW wasn't even close |
| 21:56.35 | lontra | Exy|LT: they are there though |
| 21:57.21 | Bracki | i dont understand man chmod |
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| 21:58.02 | Bracki | sticky seems to do the exact opposite of what i want |
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| 21:59.11 | xingu | Bracki: try sgid on the directory. |
| 21:59.22 | xingu | Bracki: ie, chmod g+s /path/to/some/dir |
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| 22:00.12 | xingu | Bracki: file creation mode (as opposed to group) is determined by the user's own umask; you must set the umask on a per-user basis to control it. |
| 22:00.24 | Bracki | i tried that, do i need the canonical path or just the relative path? |
| 22:00.30 | xingu | relative is fine |
| 22:01.02 | Bracki | so i have to touch each user's umask? |
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| 22:01.58 | xingu | yes, probably. |
| 22:02.15 | Bracki | but what is the chmod g+s good for then? |
| 22:02.29 | xingu | Bracki: it controls which /group/ the files are owned by |
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| 22:02.35 | xingu | Bracki: the default is the user's default group |
| 22:02.39 | Bracki | does not work |
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| 22:03.39 | xingu | Bracki: it will if the user is a member of the group concerned. |
| 22:03.44 | stew | Bracki: if a directory is g+s, the files created inside it will inherit the directory's group owner |
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| 22:04.10 | xingu | Bracki: in any case; unix works this way for a reason; inheritence for file ownerships and permissions are up to the /user/, not you. |
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| 22:05.15 | Bracki | mkdir test; chown user:test test;chmod 775 test;chmod g+s test; touch test/test; |
| 22:05.35 | Bracki | Now test/test still belongs to user:user although user is in group test. |
| 22:05.38 | xingu | is user a member of group test? |
| 22:06.17 | xingu | hmm, I've just done exactly that here; has user logged into the test shell /after/ being added to group test or before? |
| 22:06.21 | xingu | hint, before won't work. |
| 22:06.39 | Bracki | yes |
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| 22:08.28 | thingfish | this is odd: for the past two days, I've been trying to do a netinstall of etch. All goes fine during the download process, that is, until I get to file number 646 or 669. From there, download speed slows to what seems to be a crawl. |
| 22:08.53 | thingfish | I've tried both ftp.debian.org and mirrors. kernel.org |
| 22:09.16 | xingu | thingfish: there was mention before of an oo.org update clogging the veins of ftp.d.o and mirrors. |
| 22:09.27 | thingfish | *file 646 of 669 |
| 22:09.39 | thingfish | xingu: I knew it! |
| 22:10.01 | Bracki | xingu: sorry, i seemed to have mistyped the g+s part... |
| 22:10.03 | Bracki | works now.. |
| 22:10.04 | thingfish | xingu: I've done the install before, and this is right about where it downloads oo.org. |
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| 22:11.10 | abrotman | there's still no DSA for the kernel update |
| 22:11.31 | jakub_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=4433bHH2FIk |
| 22:11.32 | jakub_ | :D |
| 22:11.39 | thingfish | I can't wait to get back to etch. I tried out fedora 7 for a few days. |
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| 22:12.27 | mick_home | i tried vista for a few days and i can't wait to get etch on this box ;) |
| 22:12.31 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:12.41 | mick_home | now *that* was bad |
| 22:12.50 | thingfish | I'm on a vista box right now, waiting for my personal box to install etch. |
| 22:13.11 | thingfish | yeah vista is pitiful. It took MS five years to come up with this? |
| 22:13.20 | mick_home | i know - lol |
| 22:13.29 | mick_home | that crap just crashed too much on me |
| 22:13.32 | karsten | thingfish: Makes you realize that Bill Gates was right. |
| 22:13.38 | karsten | thingfish: OS/2 *is* the OS of the future. |
| 22:13.41 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:14.09 | mick_home | i can't wait to put glassfish on this thing too (since glassfish doesn't have a binary for ppc) |
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| 22:15.09 | thingfish | I was first! I was first! |
| 22:15.12 | thingfish | ;) |
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| 22:15.43 | mick_home | that damn jagger fella stole my nick :-/ |
| 22:15.45 | thingfish | I sure do love playing hooky from work. |
| 22:15.49 | thingfish | hehe mick_home |
| 22:16.06 | karsten | mick_home: You used to be "meister"? |
| 22:16.37 | mick_home | no |
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| 22:17.58 | mick_home | is that an SNL joke...? |
| 22:18.09 | karsten | jagermeister |
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| 22:18.29 | thingfish | tsk that's a TOTALLy different pronunciation. |
| 22:18.39 | mick_home | seriously ;) |
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| 22:19.13 | rgsteele | mick_home: Register it then :) |
| 22:19.16 | karsten | thingfish: Do *not* encourage me. |
| 22:19.19 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 22:24.56 | Saizan | hi, i've a strange problem caused by the use of the gl video output device with mplayer, the screen has gone black and just repeated random chars when i tried some Ctrl-Alt-FN combination to get to a shell |
| 22:26.10 | Saizan | then i logged from another machine with ssh, and restarted gdm, now i have gnome on Ctlr-Alt-F8 and the same weird screen on Ctrl-Alt-F7 |
| 22:26.28 | Saizan | any hint on what i have to do to stop that? |
| 22:27.13 | Saizan | (debian sid) |
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| 22:28.57 | mick_home | Saizan: why not ctrl alt backspace to restart x? |
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| 22:29.13 | Saizan | mick_home: didn't work |
| 22:29.30 | Saizan | mick_home: it just printed random chars on the screen everytime i typed something |
| 22:29.43 | mick_home | :-/ |
| 22:29.53 | mick_home | i have no idea, reboot :) |
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| 22:30.25 | Saizan | too alzy to reboot :) |
| 22:30.33 | mick_home | is there a way to start a process only when another finishes? |
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| 22:31.17 | mick_home | i just pulled another kernel, and i want to reboot when this is done, but security.d.o says that i have another 30 min :-/ |
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| 22:31.34 | mick_home | i just want this to reboot when it is done |
| 22:31.37 | azeem | mick_home: at |
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| 22:31.56 | mick_home | azeem: what if the connection slows? |
| 22:32.04 | azeem | that'd be bad |
| 22:32.07 | mick_home | azeem: i thought of that already ;) |
| 22:32.09 | azeem | mick_home: but what if installing the security update needs manual interaction |
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| 22:32.32 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 22:32.42 | mick_home | azeem: that is why i want it to go when the process *completes* |
| 22:32.53 | DrMitch | this is a really weird problem with my bt878 capture card (kernel 2.6.20.1), on most the channels, there's no audio, but when i tune to channel 24,25,26 or a couple others, i hear sound perfectly...no sound on any others. once, i just left it alone on channel 3, and the sound started working, but then when i changed the channel, then back to 3 again, it was gone! AAAH. anyone know what's up? |
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| 22:33.40 | mick_home | i got a tv tuner to work once in debian -- it worked for 20 minutes fine -- then i never saw or heard anything after that |
| 22:34.13 | mick_home | ok, it would never ever work in win32 -- so it was step up -- but still a pain (damn cheap hardware) |
| 22:34.16 | karmatronic | DrMitch: i use a bt878 tv card too , the point is to set your system to always use the proper tuner |
| 22:34.33 | lymeca | What are these packages? http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 22:34.48 | DrMitch | yea, i did tvtime -d /dev/video1 ... |
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| 22:35.06 | DrMitch | i have audio on channel 3 now, but if i change the channel, then change it back, there'll be no audio |
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| 22:35.46 | karmatronic | DrMitch: the problem might be tvtime,have you tried xawtv? |
| 22:35.53 | DrMitch | yup, and myth |
| 22:35.57 | DrMitch | same thing |
| 22:36.05 | Exy|LT | huh, turns out my motherboard is supported by OpenBIOS. Has anyone ever tried that? |
| 22:36.47 | karmatronic | DrMitch: how is your tv card input sound connected to your sound card ? |
| 22:37.06 | DrMitch | tuner card's output into my sound card's line-in |
| 22:37.29 | DrMitch | but i've plugged my speakers directly into the tv card output and same thing |
| 22:37.37 | mick_home | Exy|LT: the guys are really nice people and very helpful ... they have their own channel |
| 22:37.41 | karmatronic | DrMitch: which tuner do you use ? |
| 22:37.52 | DrMitch | you mean the model? |
| 22:38.00 | karmatronic | no , the tuner |
| 22:38.12 | DrMitch | what you mean? |
| 22:38.15 | karmatronic | the module is bttv , i guess |
| 22:38.21 | DrMitch | yea |
| 22:38.32 | DrMitch | not module, model |
| 22:38.44 | karmatronic | DrMitch: it s also the module name |
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| 22:39.07 | DrMitch | but you're asking for the tv tuner's model/brand?! |
| 22:39.16 | karmatronic | yes |
| 22:39.16 | DrMitch | Hauppauge TV Tuner WINTV-44801 |
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| 22:41.26 | sha | DrMitch: use /usr/src/linux/Documentation/video4linux/bttv/Cards and /sbin/modinfo bttv to determine the right option for loading the module with modprobe |
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| 22:43.06 | DrMitch | will do |
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| 22:46.49 | lymeca | Why is Gnash 0.8.0 up for review by the ftp master if 0.7.2 is already in unstable? Why can't it just upgrade? |
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| 22:48.32 | DrMitch | screw this, how much is a hardware tuner card? what are they pvr-250 or 150 or something? |
| 22:48.44 | furrywolf | hrmm, blender in stable won't install. |
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| 22:49.06 | furrywolf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:50.36 | mick_home | i'm thinking that my problems stem from LUKS |
| 22:50.57 | \amethyst | furrywolf: try aptitude install blender libopenexr2c2a |
| 22:50.58 | stew | furrywolf: what happens when you try to "aptitude install libopenexr2c2a" ? |
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| 22:51.14 | mick_home | this damn "Volume group "myhostname" not found" is probably why my box is kind of unstable |
| 22:51.20 | mick_home | or it is faulty hardware |
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| 22:52.20 | furrywolf | sec, installing other things at the moment. |
| 22:53.29 | kalashari | 11732 www-data 18 0 0 0 0 Z 0 0.0 0:00.05 php5 <defunct> |
| 22:53.35 | furrywolf | mick_home: that error is exceptionally unlikely to have anything to do with stability. |
| 22:53.43 | kalashari | how can I kill these proccesses |
| 22:53.51 | kalashari | they are zombies eh |
| 22:54.02 | furrywolf | mick_home: do you have a pentium 3 or older p4/amd box? |
| 22:54.24 | \amethyst | kalashari: yeah, they're already dead, but the parent process hasn't called wait() on it yet |
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| 22:54.57 | kalashari | the parent process is web server I assume ? |
| 22:55.25 | kalashari | when I kill webserver, zombies are gone |
| 22:55.52 | \amethyst | when the parent dies, the zombies are inherited by init, which reaps them |
| 22:55.52 | Saizan | wc |
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| 22:56.52 | roler | i'm looking for the quickest Postfix TLS and SASL howto out there. Most of the howto's I see just don't cut it |
| 22:57.48 | karsten | roler: "make it so" ;-) |
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| 22:58.25 | pickcoder | roler: did you look at the one at postfix.org? |
| 22:58.32 | karsten | roler: ... or /join #postfix. |
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| 22:59.22 | roler | the one on postfix.org uses Cyrus |
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| 22:59.34 | roler | my other server is setup not using Cyrus, but i'm not sure how |
| 22:59.37 | mick_home | ok, i have something very strange happening... when i'm working on my other box that i just installed on (it only has a base install) - randomly the kb stops responding |
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| 23:00.21 | pickcoder | roler: what are you using for auth? |
| 23:00.38 | mick_home | before it died in the middle of an apt-get update |
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| 23:00.44 | mick_home | it just froze |
| 23:00.46 | mick_home | :-/ |
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| 23:01.17 | mick_home | ok, now for ANOTHER reinstall w/o LUKS |
| 23:01.29 | mick_home | i'm thinking it is a hardware issue |
| 23:01.38 | mick_home | but i have no idea what that issue would be |
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| 23:30.58 | jeward | ~/~.~. |
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| 23:31.36 | Phil4 | hey guys, any way to get a list of the names of every package installed? |
| 23:32.08 | stew | Phil4: aptitude search \~i ; or: dpkg -l | grep ^.i |
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| 23:32.19 | Phil4 | ty |
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| 23:34.36 | foo | holycow: Around? |
| 23:35.07 | holycow | yep |
| 23:36.37 | foo | holycow: PM when ya got a minute, thanks |
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| 23:37.31 | S4nD3r | Hi there !!! |
| 23:37.47 | S4nD3r | Is there anyone who can help me to setup a NIS server? |
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| 23:38.38 | fietronic | Ha :) |
| 23:38.51 | poli | hello all... how do I manage to select UTC as timezone in etch d-i? |
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| 23:40.27 | streuner_ | !set time |
| 23:40.28 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 23:41.16 | poli | Well, after installation I do know how to do it. I would like to know if I can select UTC directly in d-i, so I don't have to change it manually all the time... |
| 23:41.37 | streuner_ | run 'tzconfig' |
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| 23:42.19 | khaleel5000 | hello , i have debian etch , i have compiled a custom kernel (version 2.6.18) after following this how to http://technowizah.com/2005/12/debian-how-to-custom-kernel-compile.html , all is fine , but when i boot , i dont see any boot messags ,just blank screen , I also dont get any display on tty1- tty6 |
| 23:42.28 | khaleel5000 | my kernel config is here http://rafb.net/p/NNVrjt37.html |
| 23:42.55 | mick_home | S4nD3r: why are you using NIS? is it a "must"? |
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| 23:43.35 | S4nD3r | Because thats was runing in my network |
| 23:43.46 | S4nD3r | then, I was trying to put it runing back |
| 23:43.59 | poli | streuner_: thanks |
| 23:44.15 | mick_home | i'd use openldap |
| 23:44.22 | S4nD3r | ummm |
| 23:45.20 | mick_home | NIS is notorious for being insecure |
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| 23:45.40 | S4nD3r | But, I need just to autenticated in local network |
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| 23:46.05 | S4nD3r | Im afraid of try openldap, Im beginner yet |
| 23:47.23 | mick_home | S4nD3r: ok - fine, then just: apt-get install nis |
| 23:48.03 | S4nD3r | Its installed |
| 23:48.18 | S4nD3r | I get add users |
| 23:48.35 | S4nD3r | the users login in workstations |
| 23:48.53 | S4nD3r | but, they dont have permissions to use sound... |
| 23:49.02 | S4nD3r | I inserted the users in audio group (in server) |
| 23:49.09 | mick_home | come again? you need to setup the clients? |
| 23:49.29 | S4nD3r | but in workstation, the group audio do not show the users added |
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| 23:52.21 | poli | What is the difference between the xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver and the xen-linux-system-2.6.18-xen packages? |
| 23:53.08 | poli | (Which one if for Dom0 and which one is for DomU?) |
| 23:53.28 | mick_home | S4nD3r: so you are setting up the users on the mast now, right? |
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| 23:53.47 | mick_home | on the clients you have already gotten rid of all userid's above 1000 |
| 23:54.26 | S4nD3r | yes ! |
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| 23:54.32 | S4nD3r | they are above 1000 |
| 23:54.57 | mick_home | so you can already authenticate to the server? |
| 23:55.09 | mick_home | just their sound doesn't work? |
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| 23:56.44 | S4nD3r | The authenticating is working |
| 23:56.49 | S4nD3r | just the sound that do not works |
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