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| 00:04.09 | mick_home | man usermod (use -G to add "audio") |
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| 00:04.28 | mick_home | S4nD3r: type in "groups" as the user who has no sound |
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| 00:04.46 | mick_home | if there is no "audio" then that is why there is no sound ;) |
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| 00:06.02 | S4nD3r | so, theres no audio group in the user |
| 00:06.06 | S4nD3r | thats is the problem |
| 00:06.29 | S4nD3r | In the server (master), the user is in audio group |
| 00:06.42 | S4nD3r | but, in the client, do not is in... |
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| 00:07.31 | hicks | hi, i have a little question. is apt able to remove the dependencies of a package when removing it? something like emerge --depclean in gentoo? |
| 00:08.44 | lordrich | aptitude will remove unused dependent packages if it knows about them |
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| 00:09.18 | lordrich | or deborphan can be used to find packages that nothing depends on |
| 00:09.28 | hicks | thank alot lordrich :) |
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| 00:10.28 | hicks | thanks, not thank ;) |
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| 00:11.09 | grisu | hello |
| 00:11.28 | grisu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.32 | grisu | what can i do? |
| 00:11.41 | mick_home | S4nD3r: you need to remove the users from the clients |
| 00:11.52 | S4nD3r | I did |
| 00:12.01 | S4nD3r | the audio group is empty |
| 00:13.09 | mick_home | you need to remove all user accounts from the password, shadow, group, and group shadow files. |
| 00:13.34 | mick_home | For the /etc/passwd add +:::::: at the end. |
| 00:13.49 | mick_home | For the file /etc/shadow add +::::::::, and for the other files /etc/group and /etc/gshadow add +:::. |
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| 00:15.22 | S4nD3r | I will try it |
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| 00:15.57 | mick_home | and what does: `ypcat passwd` say? |
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| 00:17.26 | mick_home | S4nD3r: i haven't used NIS in years -- so take my advise with some caution ;) (but i'm pretty sure i remember this stuff alright) |
| 00:17.53 | mick_home | remember that whatever you do leave root and all of the system logins alone |
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| 00:18.32 | S4nD3r | ok... |
| 00:18.36 | mick_home | s/logins/accounts/ |
| 00:18.39 | S4nD3r | I will think about it |
| 00:18.42 | furrywolf | ah, the first part of a big upgrade... going through and removing every package you don't remember ever using, so there's less to upgrade. :) |
| 00:19.41 | mick_home | ok, i give up on debian on this laptop - i'm trying ubuntu |
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| 00:24.16 | S4nD3r | o ypcat passwd mostra uma lista de todos usuarios cadastrados |
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| 00:24.43 | S4nD3r | the ypcat passwd shows a list of users added |
| 00:24.45 | S4nD3r | nabson:x:1003:1003:Nabson Natan Lourenço |
| 00:24.45 | thingfish | nao falamos portugues aqui |
| 00:24.48 | S4nD3r | in this format |
| 00:24.57 | karsten | thingfish: English? |
| 00:24.58 | mick_home | audio seems to be missing |
| 00:25.06 | S4nD3r | sure |
| 00:25.16 | thingfish | sorry karsten, I meant that for S4nD3r |
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| 00:25.45 | thingfish | !br |
| 00:25.45 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 00:26.10 | karsten | thingfish: Which more or less says "don't speak portuguese here", right? |
| 00:26.21 | thingfish | karsten: you got it. |
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| 00:26.31 | karsten | Is there any way to re-connect to a disconnected 'screen' server session, after the session FIFO's been deleted? |
| 00:26.43 | karsten | thingfish: I was trying to be vaguely ironic... |
| 00:26.53 | pinguim_power | i'm sorry i have something strange here ... i download the xchat ... from the xchat website and ... i install libperl-dev tcl and tcl-dev but when i run configure ... it says i dont have ... perl installed ... makes me thinks all the patchs are change make sme thinking debian only wants we use they xchat compilation and thinsg they put there ... and we cannost use the single simple source |
| 00:26.59 | thingfish | well, it's not so direct as that, basically, it says if you want/need to speak portuguese, go to #debian-br |
| 00:27.06 | mick_home | ah a quick "something is in br... i need to !br now before Ia ctually read wtf is going on" message |
| 00:27.19 | pinguim_power | like in the case from ... the iceweasel that they call one bug and everything ... because the dependece stuff i think ... "ifnot mistake" |
| 00:27.42 | S4nD3r | Is necessary to add user in audio group (in master) ?? |
| 00:28.34 | pinguim_power | is there any soluton to i can mak eone simple build from the source of xchat? |
| 00:28.36 | mrbnet | I have etch running with one nic and a virtual adapter assigned with my other internet ip. Do I need to setup a route so that traffic that comes in on eth0:0 leaves that ip address? |
| 00:28.49 | mick_home | S4nD3r: yes |
| 00:28.56 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 00:29.05 | S4nD3r | but the clients are not importing groups from master |
| 00:29.16 | fsteves | pinguim_power: What just happened there man...do you have perl and perl-dev installed? If so, what is th exact error. |
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| 00:30.10 | mick_home | S4nD3r: ? |
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| 00:30.34 | pinguim_power | fsteves yes i have that the strange stuff .. i allready ask in xchat and nahing :x ... is strange because i have the tcl and tcl-dev instaled and it says dont have tcl ... "one of the erros for exemple" |
| 00:30.42 | mick_home | everyhthing should be pulled from master |
| 00:31.16 | fsteves | pinguim_power: pastebin.ca - Please paste your EXACT errors. |
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| 00:32.05 | fsteves | and sorry, not perl-dev, libperl-dev (didnt catch that) |
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| 00:33.04 | pinguim_power | fsteves http://paste.uni.cc/16350 this for exempl i install the tcl from apt-get that strange stufff |
| 00:33.14 | pinguim_power | and tcl-dev to :X |
| 00:34.06 | fsteves | okay, and when you type make, what happens? |
| 00:34.29 | pinguim_power | wowwwwwww erros errros erros many of then .. i try many ways ... |
| 00:34.42 | pinguim_power | nathing nathing nathing |
| 00:34.43 | pinguim_power | :x |
| 00:34.46 | AlinuxOS | hello, I'm searching for debian-installer developers? someone knows where can I find them? |
| 00:35.29 | karsten | AlinuxOS: apt-cache show debian-installer | grep Maint |
| 00:35.31 | fsteves | pinguim_power: Unless I see WHAT the errors say exactly, I cannot begin to help you. |
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| 00:35.56 | AlinuxOS | karsten, thanks |
| 00:36.50 | karsten | AlinuxOS: If you need specific assassination targets, read the changelog and copyright files: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/debian-installer/debian-installer_20070308/changelog http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/debian-installer/debian-installer_20070308/debian-installer.copyright |
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| 00:37.02 | pinguim_power | steves one of the bigger errors is /usr/lib/perl/5.8/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a is not portable |
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| 00:37.31 | AlinuxOS | karsten, thank you pal ;) |
| 00:38.14 | fsteves | pinguim_power: And you did apt-get install libperl-dev |
| 00:38.26 | pinguim_power | yes i have i tell you beford |
| 00:38.29 | karsten | AlinuxOS: Debian pretty much gives you that info. |
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| 00:38.59 | pinguim_power | i have tcl tcl-dev and everything ... is like what i was say ... i m comment that is strange i install tcl and tcl-dev and it says i dont have tcl instaled :x |
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| 00:39.42 | thingfish | You know, Debian has this reputation for being for and by geeks. Really, it's more accurate to say that it is by and for people who simply want a linux that works. |
| 00:39.42 | fsteves | okay, if you have the proper deb-src's, then try: apt-get build-dep xchat |
| 00:39.54 | fsteves | and then: apt-get source -b xchat |
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| 00:40.33 | pinguim_power | fseteves the problem is i dont want the source of debian ... to many plugins and things instaled .. thta why im try to build the xchat from the source |
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| 00:40.51 | fsteves | or ofcourse,....apt-get install xchat xchat-common |
| 00:40.56 | stuNNed | KKK the Black of B. here. |
| 00:41.01 | fsteves | ok |
| 00:41.11 | stuNNed | Benedict the Black here. |
| 00:41.19 | stuNNed | you don't know me? |
| 00:41.27 | pinguim_power | for that i make apt-get install xchat right? |
| 00:41.33 | fsteves | stuNNed: I seem to think your a real cool kid. |
| 00:41.39 | stuNNed | i am of Catholic order of minor.......................................................................... |
| 00:42.03 | stuNNed | fsteves: if i hear 1 more loud truck i die. |
| 00:42.11 | Guerin | stuNNed: please do. |
| 00:42.16 | thingfish | stuNNed: I don't think there's an order whose name consists of dots. |
| 00:42.38 | thingfish | ok you're a nut |
| 00:42.50 | stuNNed | how many xs do i have to die? |
| 00:42.53 | Guerin | ketamine is bad for you, people |
| 00:42.58 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:42.59 | stuNNed | b4 you CHANGE? |
| 00:43.04 | fsteves | pinguim_power: Try to get the build depandancies only, and then compile your source |
| 00:43.04 | NiLon | Is there way to ignore few packets when I do apt-get upgrade? Like I don't wanna upgrade few packets but everything else is fine. |
| 00:43.06 | Guerin | !ops change stuNNed |
| 00:43.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: change stuNNed |
| 00:43.12 | rahul | NiLon: use aptitude |
| 00:43.18 | stuNNed | STOP SUPPORTING SMBD PROTOCOL!!! ! ! ! ~! |
| 00:43.19 | Guerin | NiLon: no. |
| 00:43.25 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:43.29 | thingfish | I needed this |
| 00:43.36 | rahul | NiLon: hold the packages that are upgradeable but you don't want to upgrade with the "=" key |
| 00:43.45 | Guerin | if you can |
| 00:43.49 | thingfish | bastard employers are going to make me take a piss test |
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| 00:43.51 | pinguim_power | fseteves so basic ... we cant build the xchat from the source in debian right? that makes me thinking why debian want tro try the persons use they xchat and not from the source |
| 00:43.57 | Guerin | which you probably can't, due to library version conflicts |
| 00:44.08 | stuNNed | SNBD/CIFS is the suck of the pestilence comfing from my left infested..... |
| 00:44.12 | thingfish | hehe |
| 00:44.15 | NiLon | rahul hmm, ok |
| 00:44.22 | thingfish | that's pretty funny, actually |
| 00:44.31 | stuNNed | HOW LONG do i have to support this infestation? |
| 00:44.55 | Guerin | stuNNed: until you FUCK OFF AND DIE |
| 00:45.04 | stuNNed | computing should not have to be this PR0NOgraphic...... |
| 00:45.05 | Guerin | which, with any luck, will be very soon |
| 00:45.13 | pinguim_power | is debian one safe distribution? |
| 00:45.20 | fsteves | pinguim_power: Its not a conspiracy, if thats what you mean. |
| 00:45.21 | thingfish | stuNNed: take a B-vitamin complex capsule. |
| 00:45.28 | thingfish | it'll bring you down. |
| 00:45.29 | fsteves | pinguim_power: If you make it one |
| 00:45.34 | stuNNed | i sleep x10 in the name of saviance. |
| 00:45.52 | thingfish | you might actually have a vocabulary if you could spell. |
| 00:46.00 | stuNNed | give me a cigarrette before i die. |
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| 00:46.17 | thingfish | stuNNed: are off brands OK? |
| 00:46.42 | stuNNed | penguins ain't like moccassins who are ELECTRIFIED. |
| 00:46.46 | thingfish | god how I love nuts. |
| 00:46.53 | fsteves | lol |
| 00:46.53 | Havis | Hi anyone have some ideas how to speed up Qemu a bit? |
| 00:47.04 | fsteves | I think stuNNed writes for large spam groups. |
| 00:47.18 | stuNNed | electrified mocassins bite in the realm of indians who were HASIDIC JEWSISH! |
| 00:47.33 | pinguim_power | fsteves who is talking in comspiration i just make one question and it comment itis strange |
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| 00:47.52 | thingfish | stuNNed: your word salad is exquisite. |
| 00:48.01 | stuNNed | 2.6.20-16-386 |
| 00:48.06 | thingfish | you have simply *got* to be a bot. |
| 00:48.12 | dureyes | the best dvd ripper? |
| 00:48.13 | Guerin | well, duh |
| 00:48.18 | stuNNed | i die for U sayeth Prince. |
| 00:48.26 | Guerin | that's why i wish the ops would FUCKING BAN IT |
| 00:48.26 | fsteves | pinguim_power: It is about making a happy medium between dependancies. Like I said, without seeing the errors myself, I can ONLY guess around. |
| 00:48.28 | thingfish | Guerin: I'm slow. |
| 00:48.32 | rahul | thingfish: that's what she siad |
| 00:48.36 | rahul | both of those |
| 00:48.50 | stuNNed | thingfish: i die for you. can you suffer like....i dunno whoeve you are. |
| 00:48.54 | Guerin | Havis: buy a faster cpu |
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| 00:49.25 | rahul | thingfish: to be specific "god how I love nuts" and "you have simply *got* to be a bot." |
| 00:49.27 | thingfish | I was hoping I was talking to a genuine schizo. |
| 00:49.39 | stuNNed | i can see in the night...EVEN electrified mocassin kingsnakes!!!! |
| 00:49.42 | Havis | Guerin: I have P4 2.8GHz, is it really only CPU dependant? |
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| 00:50.23 | stuNNed | my p4 athlon64 32 megabytes just ain't cuttin it, godamnit! |
| 00:50.38 | Guerin | Havis: mostly. It's emulations, which means much heavy lifting |
| 00:51.02 | stuNNed | i emulate the most devil, can you help me steal? |
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| 00:51.12 | Guerin | !ops can we fucking ban stuNNed yet? |
| 00:51.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: can we fucking ban stuNNed yet |
| 00:51.14 | fsteves | Havis: Maybe look into virualization? |
| 00:51.15 | Havis | Guerin: even with the kqemu module? |
| 00:51.17 | rahul | heh |
| 00:51.23 | Guerin | stew: you win! |
| 00:51.28 | stew | \*/ |
| 00:51.37 | thingfish | I swear though - you put that on a screen in an art gallery, and it's art. |
| 00:51.41 | Guerin | !beer stew |
| 00:51.42 | rahul | !tell Ariel_Calzada about away |
| 00:51.43 | Havis | Guerin: my cpu doesnt support virtualization :), maybe paravirtualization is what I should go for... |
| 00:51.56 | Guerin | thingfish: only if there's some clever algorithm behind it |
| 00:52.14 | Guerin | Havis: paravirtualisation is much faster, yes. |
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| 00:52.32 | Guerin | right |
| 00:52.36 | Guerin | bollocks to it |
| 00:52.39 | Guerin | i'm going fishing |
| 00:52.50 | Guerin | damn the 30-knot antarctic southerly |
| 00:53.03 | Ariel_Calzada | rahul: sorry i don't understand well what you say about away :-( |
| 00:53.26 | Havis | Guerin: so what should I use? I used vmware and it felt a lot faster than qemu ;-) |
| 00:53.30 | rahul | Ariel_Calzada: don't announce that you're away to 700 people that don't know you |
| 00:53.34 | pinguim_power | fseteves one more minute and i give you the erros |
| 00:53.48 | Guerin | Havis: vmware generally *is* a lot faster. My advice is to not emulate at all. Run stuff natively. |
| 00:54.01 | Ariel_Calzada | rahul: what's best? |
| 00:54.02 | Guerin | Havis: though xen and kqemu are apparently mucho faster |
| 00:54.21 | Ariel_Calzada | rahul: what is the right way ? |
| 00:54.28 | Guerin | Ariel_Calzada: don't announce it at all |
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| 00:54.40 | parsek_77 | kubuntu or debian?I couldn't decide. the only thing worries me about debian stable is I won't be able to get the newer packages frequently. what do you suggest? |
| 00:54.44 | Guerin | you can set it without announcing it on any half-sane irc client |
| 00:54.47 | rahul | simply set the away flag in your IRC client |
| 00:54.51 | Guerin | parsek_77: debian. Stupid question. |
| 00:55.05 | rahul | if people WANT to know, they'll ask the server |
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| 00:55.12 | Guerin | parsek_77: if you want new and shiny, get testing - it's still probably more stable than ubuntu. |
| 00:55.22 | Havis | Guerin: yes, I use kqemu module... |
| 00:55.30 | stew | parsek_77: with the stable release of kubuntu you don't get newer packages either. we of courese, would suggest debian, since we are biased. if you want a less biased opinion, try ##linux |
| 00:55.43 | fsteves | I manage 4 Xen virtualizations simultaneously on a dual core AthXP64 4200+ with 2.5GB ram with fairly no issues. VMWare is a bit slower, but offers a few features I like. You have to calculate risk (resources) vs reward (features) |
| 00:55.49 | Ariel_Calzada | rahul: ok understood thanks a lot |
| 00:56.33 | cafuego | well |
| 00:56.39 | thingfish | parsek_77: if you want the newest packages, go to ubuntu or fedora. And with those new bleeding edge packages, anticipate lots and lots of fun because no one's worked all the bugs out of them yet. |
| 00:56.40 | cafuego | apart from xen not booting windows |
| 00:56.47 | cafuego | which i kind of need it to do |
| 00:57.02 | fsteves | cafuego: Thats where VMWare comes in for me also |
| 00:57.27 | Guerin | you people with a need for windows have my condolences |
| 00:57.30 | cafuego | vmware has the problem of not wanting to use lvm volumes as block devices |
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| 00:57.34 | koojoo_ | hello |
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| 00:57.46 | explody | anyone have an idea why there are no startup scripts in the gulm package? |
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| 00:58.09 | cafuego | Guerin: Muich as I hate it, most users of web apps i write still use IE on windows, so I need to make sure. |
| 00:58.19 | Ariel_Calzada | rahul: i see people use different nicks for their state (some just add _ at the end) is that right too? |
| 00:58.31 | koojoo_ | i am trying to get ansi support in my terminal... i have codepage437 enabled in my kernel, my default consolefont is default8x16... please help!!!! |
| 00:58.39 | pinguim_power | fsteves http://paste.uni.cc/16351 |
| 00:58.40 | Havis | so now I'm not sure, vmware qemu virtualbox xen? or is there maybe something else to try? |
| 00:58.40 | parsek_77 | thanks all. I use Suse, but latest nvidia update and X server failure tipped me off |
| 00:58.42 | cafuego | Guerin: Turns out IE6+IE7 don't like xhtml type <script src="foo.js" /> tags and just render blank pages. |
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| 00:59.09 | parsek_77 | actually I use suse on my laptop, right now I am writing these from Etch |
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| 00:59.14 | fsteves | I'd not play the debate. Windows has its place, maybe not in your home, but in the enterprise environment. |
| 00:59.20 | Guerin | cafuego: yeesh |
| 00:59.25 | cafuego | Guerin: yah |
| 00:59.35 | Guerin | fsteves: this is but one of the reasons I don't make computers my career |
| 00:59.39 | cafuego | Guerin: 's the difference between getting paid and not, so i'd better. |
| 00:59.52 | karsten | Guerin: You have a career? |
| 00:59.53 | Guerin | cafuego: and if I recall correctly, you sure do get paid |
| 01:00.05 | cafuego | Guerin: once in a blue moon, yeh |
| 01:00.08 | Guerin | karsten: of course, I've been at university on and off since 1996! |
| 01:00.25 | thingfish | man I wish I were back in university |
| 01:00.39 | Guerin | karsten: hey,m it was Laos ... and my greatest is falling off the great wall of china, thank you VERY much! |
| 01:00.39 | fsteves | pinguim_power: I am not seeing any fatal errors there. Only warnings. |
| 01:00.43 | cafuego | karsten: i thought that only happened to germans, not kiwis. |
| 01:01.14 | karsten | cafuego: Read Gueri's somewhat curtailed trekking blog. |
| 01:01.25 | pinguim_power | windows? but do you think the persons home users have money to buy windows? and they complain the persons stole windows when they are making is only free porpaganda |
| 01:01.35 | karsten | pinguim_power: Off topic |
| 01:01.40 | parsek_77 | Guerin: what about unstable? |
| 01:01.44 | pinguim_power | ok sorry ... |
| 01:01.44 | fsteves | pinguim_power: The make did not exit with any errors. |
| 01:02.27 | fsteves | pinguim_power: Continue with your build until you run into errors. Those are all warnings. |
| 01:02.45 | NiLon | pinguim_power i think that only few people actually buy windows, usually it comes with computer so they like don't care |
| 01:03.18 | pinguim_power | fsteves so if there are no error ... lol why this dont install the bin file? |
| 01:03.30 | fsteves | because you havent done make install |
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| 01:03.49 | pinguim_power | yes i done ... i just dont shoud you there |
| 01:04.00 | fsteves | okay... and what happened when you did that |
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| 01:04.38 | fsteves | make sure you run make install as root |
| 01:05.09 | pinguim_power | root for what? |
| 01:05.15 | fsteves | su - |
| 01:05.20 | fsteves | Password: type your password |
| 01:05.22 | pinguim_power | is not this danger? |
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| 01:05.27 | fsteves | make install |
| 01:06.01 | cchance | What apt package can i download to get a VNC server |
| 01:06.09 | cafuego | vncserver |
| 01:06.11 | cchance | (im using DSL) |
| 01:06.15 | fsteves | pinguim_power: Your regular users dont have write access to whatever is defined in $PATH (/usr/local/bin or /usr/bin) to install the binaries for xchat |
| 01:06.15 | cafuego | (ha) |
| 01:06.33 | fsteves | so, after you build the package, you MUST install it as root |
| 01:06.37 | Guerin | parsek_77: unstable is just like it says. |
| 01:06.48 | Guerin | parsek_77: for instancer, the other day, sshd broke |
| 01:06.49 | fsteves | well, in most cases |
| 01:07.07 | pinguim_power | fsteves so why the --prefix option in configure don`t work if i nede to install in root? |
| 01:07.11 | Guerin | cafuego: dsl isn't debian, so how should we know? |
| 01:07.17 | Guerin | cchance: you too ↑ |
| 01:07.20 | cchance | 0% [Connecting to archive.debian.org], is what i get and it stays at that |
| 01:07.32 | Guerin | cchance: #damnsmallinux |
| 01:07.51 | cchance | it is debian |
| 01:07.56 | fsteves | pinguim_power: I dont have any idea. You asked me why your binary didnt install. |
| 01:07.56 | cchance | partly |
| 01:08.01 | cchance | but just enough to be considered |
| 01:08.09 | stew | cchance: soory, we don't support it here |
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| 01:08.36 | pinguim_power | well inst it supost the configure --prefix work? |
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| 01:09.05 | Guerin | cchance: just *not* enough to be considered debian, in fact. But we will help you install the real thing, should you desire. |
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| 01:09.18 | parsek_77 | Guerin: so testing is better? |
| 01:09.33 | cchance | I tryed to, it failed when istalling the image |
| 01:09.35 | fsteves | pinguim_power: Im not sure if your overthinking this , or I am underhelping you. |
| 01:09.38 | Guerin | parsek_77: if your objective is not spending hours fixing breakage, yes. |
| 01:09.39 | wfq | does anyone confirm me it he/her has a 2.6 kernel with pemtium M activated in the processors family kernel option and is not using initrd? |
| 01:09.42 | cchance | using the buisness card install |
| 01:09.47 | wfq | it=if |
| 01:09.48 | stew | cchance: what was the error? |
| 01:09.57 | Guerin | cchance: what version, on what hardware, and why did it fail? |
| 01:10.26 | cchance | on I386, unknown version, and failed because it could not download |
| 01:10.33 | cchance | but it downloaded everything else |
| 01:10.41 | stew | cchance: which version of the installer? |
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| 01:10.49 | Guerin | stew: `unknown' |
| 01:10.53 | cchance | i dont know, its the buisness card |
| 01:10.59 | Guerin | cchance: go get a known version and we might be able to help |
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| 01:11.10 | Guerin | !d-i |
| 01:11.11 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 01:11.16 | stew | cchance: well it would not be suprising if it were an out of date testing installer or something. does it happen with a current stable installer? |
| 01:11.23 | Guerin | cchance: start with etch (stable, 4.0) |
| 01:12.44 | koojoo_ | does anyone know how to get ansi characters to display correctly in linux console???? |
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| 01:14.56 | fsteves | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.20 | karsten | koojoo_: What's not working? |
| 01:15.36 | mmlj4 | koojoo_: export TERM=vt100 |
| 01:15.38 | pinguim_power | fsteves im not overthinking anything i just ask if inst it supost the configure --prefix work? ... this overthinking is you that are thinking ... i dont know very well what you are say whith overthinking |
| 01:15.57 | fsteves | hehe |
| 01:15.57 | cchance | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ is this the one? |
| 01:16.09 | Guerin | cchance: that will do |
| 01:16.09 | cchance | im going to download the netinst |
| 01:16.37 | cchance | now with the netinst, will i need to download anything else after downloading this? |
| 01:16.39 | Guerin | cchance: follow the install guide while you do |
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| 01:16.55 | Guerin | cchance: not until you go to install additional packages |
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| 01:17.05 | o2T7 | hi |
| 01:17.15 | cchance | But an inetnet connection will not be required to install right? |
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| 01:17.42 | o2T7 | i forgot the name of the program i used for identifying a key |
| 01:17.45 | Guerin | cchance: not for the base system. Why? If you don't have one, you're better off getting a full cd. |
| 01:17.54 | o2T7 | do any of you know which is it? |
| 01:17.55 | Guerin | o2T7: what key? |
| 01:17.55 | fsteves | cchance: The term "network install" refers to installation over a network. |
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| 01:18.04 | Guerin | o2T7: try to be more vague. |
| 01:18.09 | cchance | I dont want the full cd because of my dialup |
| 01:18.12 | cchance | wait, |
| 01:18.21 | cchance | i can get just one cd for the full thing? |
| 01:18.25 | Guerin | cchance: you're better off getting the full cd on dial-up |
| 01:18.33 | fsteves | cchance: yes. |
| 01:18.33 | Guerin | one cd has most of what you'll want |
| 01:18.54 | cchance | but which cd, there are like 20 |
| 01:19.02 | Guerin | cchance: the first one, duh. |
| 01:19.22 | fsteves | cchance: Do you have a wireless NIC? Go find some free WIFI (perhaps the mall, coffee shop) |
| 01:19.26 | cchance | wa, **** 700MB? |
| 01:19.36 | Guerin | that's how big a cd is. |
| 01:19.40 | liable | thats how big cd's are, yes |
| 01:19.58 | stew | cchance: get a netinst, it will only contain the stuff you will definately need, then you can install whatever else you need over the net |
| 01:20.01 | cchance | this is a week download |
| 01:20.02 | o2T7 | Guerin: You press a key and the program says you the name of that key |
| 01:20.19 | Guerin | o2T7: oh, xev can do that. There's a console one too, but I forget the name. |
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| 01:20.31 | o2T7 | Example: You press Alt and it says Mod1 |
| 01:20.32 | Guerin | cchance: go to an internet room and download one there. |
| 01:20.44 | Guerin | cchance: they may even have one they can copy for a nominal fee. |
| 01:20.57 | Guerin | or your local university, or ... anyone, really. |
| 01:21.00 | cchance | im going to stick with netinst |
| 01:21.01 | asg | Guerin: that sounds ... dirty |
| 01:21.20 | Guerin | asg: don't it. Going out into meatspace and talking to meatfolk. |
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| 01:21.33 | asg | Guerin: scary |
| 01:21.47 | tuv | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.06 | Guerin | asg: i hear they like to do things such as shake hands, and you have to smile and nod, things like that |
| 01:22.25 | asg | Guerin: don't forget the sausage biscuits |
| 01:22.30 | Guerin | NOES |
| 01:22.32 | fsteves | mmm, biscuits |
| 01:22.45 | stew | asg: is that a euphamism? |
| 01:22.51 | Guerin | ah well, I'm going to go and shake hands with my fishing rod |
| 01:23.18 | Guerin | yes, I know how that sounds |
| 01:23.18 | asg | stew: general statement, interpretation is left as an exercise to the reader |
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| 01:23.18 | o2T7 | How to know the system name of a key? |
| 01:23.25 | stew | o2T7: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:23.33 | Guerin | o2T7: xev. |
| 01:23.39 | Guerin | xevxevxevxevxev |
| 01:23.42 | o2T7 | yes, thats it |
| 01:24.03 | asg | Guerin: going to stroke your pole eh? |
| 01:24.05 | rahul | ooookay then |
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| 01:24.17 | o2T7 | stew: i use to write script for fluxfox shortcuts |
| 01:24.33 | Frew | Any cron experts in here or does anyone know what to do when cron refuses to look at crontab? |
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| 01:24.55 | asg | Frew: refuses in what way? |
| 01:24.58 | Frew | Apparently, cron hasn't even thought about crontab since February... |
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| 01:26.37 | Frew | asg: Well, I can see that cron is running. It shows up in 'ps' and I can see it's making entries in auth.log, but updatedb never gets run and none of the cron scripts I place in cron.hourly or cron.daily, etc. ever get run. I did 'ls -lut /etc/crontab' and the date was Feb 13 same with 'ls -lut /etc/init.d/cron'! |
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| 01:27.02 | Frew | asg: And logrotate never runs, which must explain why auth.log is 8 MB... |
| 01:27.31 | Frew | Man... It's really weird. |
| 01:27.33 | fsteves | Few: Have you checked for rootkits? |
| 01:27.36 | asg | Frew: when was the last time you restarted cron? |
| 01:27.46 | koojoo_ | does anyone know how to get ansi characters to display correctly in linux console???? export TERM=vt100 doesnt work, export TERM=ansi doesnt work... i want the old cp437 from the dos bbs days so i can see ansi art properly |
| 01:28.02 | Frew | I don't know how to check for rootkits and I have never restarted cron... |
| 01:28.11 | karsten | koojoo_: How aren't they working? |
| 01:28.30 | asg | Frew: well, start with /etc/init.d/cron restart. If that doesn't help, then we can look at other things. |
| 01:28.30 | Frew | /etc/init.d/cron restart |
| 01:28.30 | Frew | Restarting periodic command scheduler: cron. |
| 01:28.32 | karsten | Frew: aptitude install chkrootkit is a start. Mind the trusting-untrusted-hosts atch-22. |
| 01:28.36 | karsten | s/atch/catc/ |
| 01:28.44 | karsten | ... erm, you get the idea. |
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| 01:29.01 | stew | i've never had chkrootkit actually find anything, even on boxes i knew to be rooted |
| 01:29.03 | Frew | Hmm... Ok - Thanks. |
| 01:29.05 | karsten | Frew: Is cron running? Are permissions right? |
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| 01:29.28 | karsten | stew: I've had it find things on boxes which _weren't_ rooted. |
| 01:29.41 | Frew | I've got cron.hourly set for :30, so we'll see in a few seconds. |
| 01:29.43 | asg | Frew: anything in /var/log/syslog related to cron? |
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| 01:31.27 | Frew | HEY! - I think something changed. I got my :30 email! |
| 01:31.42 | Frew | Could it have just needed a restart? |
| 01:31.54 | asg | Frew: I'd investigate but sometimes, things get wodged |
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| 01:32.52 | Frew | asg: I changed cron.hourly to 35 in crontab. I'll see if the script runs again. |
| 01:33.04 | fsteves | ooh, I had an email get wodged for 2 weeks one time |
| 01:34.19 | fsteves | ive never heard of wodged, but I like it, and it clicked as to what you meant |
| 01:34.28 | fsteves | !wg |
| 01:34.57 | Frew | Yeah, wodged. Nice. |
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| 01:36.45 | tuv | how do i activates kvm in debian's qemu? |
| 01:36.53 | tuv | s/activates/activate |
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| 01:37.43 | aeshyamae | hi |
| 01:38.55 | aeshyamae | i was installing debian gnu/linux on my 1gb usb flash drive....i created two paritions and installed packages using debootstrap..... |
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| 01:40.07 | lifeforms | Q: I am running Debian 4.0, is there an easy way to get MySQL 4.1.22 installed through packages? (I need this specific version, although I guess other 4.1 might work). 'apt-get install mysql-client-4.1' tells me it is going to install mysql-client-5.0.. |
| 01:40.15 | aeshyamae | but now as i try to issue "chroot /mnt/buildroot /bin/su"...it says no such file or directory |
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| 01:40.47 | fsteves | aeshyamae: What is mounted at /mnt/buildroot |
| 01:41.07 | asg | lifeforms: no, Debian etch does not come with MySQL 4.x |
| 01:41.31 | aeshyamae | fsteves:usb flash drives' big partition on which the debian packages are installed |
| 01:41.35 | fsteves | lifeforms: You will have to install from source for 4.x support, or use a backport |
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| 01:41.41 | lifeforms | asg: thanks. do you think I will be lucky compiling it from source, or will it become a dependency hell? |
| 01:41.42 | asg | lifeforms: the previous version of Debian stable (3.1) comes with 4.0.24 |
| 01:41.54 | lifeforms | fsteves: thanks a lot |
| 01:41.57 | fsteves | aeshyamae: What happens when you ls /mnt/buildroot |
| 01:42.04 | asg | lifeforms: If you have to have that particular version, source is your bet. |
| 01:42.21 | lifeforms | kay, here goes nuthing :) |
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| 01:42.50 | aeshyamae | fsteves:the packages installed are there and first i could not find su there but i cp'ed the su from the HDD's /bin/su then also the same result |
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| 01:43.03 | fsteves | lifeforms: Make sure to check for security vulnerabilties. |
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| 01:43.49 | lifeforms | I never have the guts to have any version of MySQL listen on anything but 127.0.0.1 :) |
| 01:43.59 | stew | sarge comes with 4.1 as well |
| 01:44.15 | hicks | i bound mysql to 10.0.0.1 once ... |
| 01:44.17 | hicks | :P |
| 01:45.05 | fsteves | hicks: 10.0.0.1/24 ? |
| 01:45.06 | rahul | I never had the guts to use mysql for anything that mattered before |
| 01:45.18 | lifeforms | good point |
| 01:45.33 | rahul | and for anything that didn't matter, I didn't need to use mysql. |
| 01:45.38 | lifeforms | though everything in life is a compromise between good and easy |
| 01:45.44 | rahul | mysql is easy? |
| 01:45.54 | hicks | i dont think mysql is easy though ... |
| 01:46.00 | lifeforms | it goes down on me on the first night |
| 01:46.05 | lifeforms | damn, that was a bad one :( |
| 01:46.08 | rahul | doh |
| 01:46.09 | lifeforms | I apologize |
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| 01:46.36 | tuv | ok.. i'm running the kvm binary now, though i still want to make sure that the kvm kernel module is being used |
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| 01:47.46 | cchance | Ok guys im going to try this one more time, this is the buisness cd installation |
| 01:48.07 | cchance | As of right now my screen says its going into Low memory mode |
| 01:48.40 | cockroach | could it be that today's iceweasel upgrade in etch somehow broke the password manager? it won't accept my password anymore. somehow i highly doubt that I just forgot it... :) |
| 01:48.47 | cchance | Detecting hardware to find cdrom |
| 01:49.00 | cchance | loading components |
| 01:49.17 | aeshyamae | fsteves:when i ls /mnt/buildroot it shows bin,etc,lib,usr,dev,,,,,,,as usual and debootstrap directory tooo...even when i run chroot without any command it says chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 01:49.34 | cchance | detecting network |
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| 01:49.51 | fsteves | aeshyamae: watch what happens when you ls /bin |
| 01:50.06 | cchance | Canceling DHCP auto detect and providing my own ip information |
| 01:50.08 | fsteves | You dont have bash |
| 01:51.14 | cchance | ok question, if its going to be a server on a HOME network what should i put down as my domain name? |
| 01:51.26 | fsteves | If you want to run programs in chroot jails, then you need to replicate |
| 01:51.38 | fsteves | everything that will be needed to run the code in the jail |
| 01:52.02 | aeshyamae | fsteves: /bin on my thumbdrive i.e. /mnt/buildroot/bin has both bash and su(su wasnt there at first i copied the su from /bin on my HDD) |
| 01:52.42 | cchance | i put in mshome, now heres another thing, what mirror is the best? |
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| 01:54.17 | cchance | Is anyone listning to me? |
| 01:54.25 | prisoner1 | sqwws |
| 01:54.47 | prisoner1 | sorry |
| 01:55.14 | aeshyamae | fsteves:if the bash file is there at both /bin(HDD) and /mnt/buildroot/bin what could lead to say no file or directory? |
| 01:56.30 | fsteves | aeshyamae: cd /mnt/buildroot and THEN type chroot /mnt/buildroot |
| 01:56.33 | fsteves | what happens |
| 01:57.45 | cchance | ah fuck it |
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| 02:00.04 | maxamillion | when running openbox, when i minimize something it just disappears ... now i assume this is because it is _only_ a window manager and doesn't have anything like the fluxbox slit, or a panel, so i assume i would need something along the lines of xfce4-panel or gnome-panel ... is this correct? |
| 02:00.32 | maxamillion | or is there some magic place that things minimize to that i am unaware of? |
| 02:01.04 | jetscreamer | try alt+tab |
| 02:01.07 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 02:01.18 | aeshyamae | fsteves:same result when issuing chroot /mnt/buildroot at /mnt/buildroot tooo.....chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
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| 02:06.27 | tuv | using debian kernel 2.6.21, kvm says: kvm kernel version too old. Could not initialize KVM, will disable KVM support! |
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| 02:07.14 | aeshyamae | fsteves:I just umount-ed and mount-ed the two partitions i created on thumb drive -one for /boot(on /mnt/buildroot/boot) one as /(on /mnt/buildroot) for debian in usb.....same result....no files there but i can see when i ls |
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| 02:08.03 | aeshyamae | fsteves:i mean after mounting again as iissue chroot i have the same result |
| 02:09.10 | aeshyamae | may be my computer is not ready even to think of being in the jail???? |
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| 02:09.52 | Seb | so, after my last sid upgrade, x won't start; can't find the "keyboard" module, it says; I'm unsure wht package to check against in the BTS, anyone got a hint ? |
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| 02:11.14 | gravity | Seb: It's a known bug, check /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-kbd/NEWS.Debian |
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| 02:11.42 | Seb | gravity: ah, -input-kbd, k ! |
| 02:11.54 | gravity | Seb: The fix is in that file |
| 02:12.47 | Seb | gravity: that was simple enough :) |
| 02:12.59 | gravity | :-) |
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| 02:13.33 | aeshyamae | fsteves:so if chroot doesnt work can i do the system configuration and kernel installation without being in a jail? |
| 02:13.42 | andrew_ | Is there a way to have multiple X-session running on C-M-F7, C-M-F8, etc.? |
| 02:14.11 | sha | andrew_: sure. several ways |
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| 02:14.30 | andrew_ | How do I run /bin/whatever/X to start it on the F8 one, for example? |
| 02:14.39 | andrew_ | sorry for sounding so noobish |
| 02:14.42 | andrew_ | whoopsies |
| 02:14.44 | sha | andrew_: depends on your way you prefer to start X |
| 02:14.52 | Seb | on a related note, is fglrx still broken with the most recent xorgs ? |
| 02:14.54 | sha | andrew_: if you use GDM, then edit gdm.conf |
| 02:14.54 | sweetandy | I normally start it with GDM |
| 02:15.03 | tuv | kernel 2.6.21's kvm modules mismatch the userland kvm binary version and cannot be used. had to compile kvm-source. kvm is working now |
| 02:15.21 | liable | Seb: the latest works |
| 02:15.33 | Seb | liable: latest that's in sid ? |
| 02:15.37 | liable | from ati, dunno about the debian package |
| 02:16.23 | sweetandy | sha: Thanks, I'll be sure to check out the documentation on how to edit that file. Thanks! |
| 02:16.26 | Seb | liable: k |
| 02:17.10 | Seb | liable: somehow glxgera shows rates of about 3000 fps, but yet i get a message about an undefined symbol, and then "reverting to software rendering", when I startx |
| 02:17.13 | aeshyamae | any other way if chroot command shows the message "command cannot run .......no file or directory"for all commands? |
| 02:17.16 | Seb | liable: glxgears* |
| 02:17.48 | liable | Seb: what glxinfo say? |
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| 02:18.04 | Seb | liable: direct rendering: Yes |
| 02:18.04 | Seb | server glx vendor string: SGI |
| 02:18.12 | Seb | dang, was meant to be 1 line only |
| 02:18.39 | Seb | liable: i guess that's the meaningful part of it... OTOH, fglx-glxgears only yields like 500 fps |
| 02:18.58 | Seb | liable: what's one supposed to get when HW accel is on ? I mean, ballpark figures... |
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| 02:19.45 | liable | Seb: dunno, it seems to vary wildly from box to box |
| 02:20.15 | Seb | liable: heh, how much do *you* get ? I'm trying to figure out if it's supposed to be in the hundreds or in the thousands :) |
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| 02:21.27 | GhostlyDeath | Does gedit save in ANSI? |
| 02:21.31 | liable | Seb: 2500ish from glxgears 550ish from fgl_glxgears |
| 02:21.32 | aeshyamae | how can i do apt-get update for my usb-flash drive to install additional packages and kernel without issuing chroot?? |
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| 02:21.56 | aeshyamae | Q: how can i do apt-get update for my usb-flash drive to install additional packages and kernel without issuing chroot?? |
| 02:22.12 | Seb | liable: aight then I guess I'm good |
| 02:22.16 | Seb | liable: thanks a lot mate ! |
| 02:22.24 | GhostlyDeath | a single character gets me 2 bytes, 2 chars = 3 bytes and 3 chars = 4 bytes |
| 02:22.25 | liable | no worries |
| 02:22.37 | GhostlyDeath | oh nvm |
| 02:22.52 | Seb | aeshyamae: and the purpose of not using the tool specifically designed for this operation is... what exactly ? |
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| 02:23.26 | GhostlyDeath | How do I get gedit to NOT add a \n at the EOF when it saves if a \n is not at the EOF |
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| 02:24.07 | aeshyamae | seb:but as i issue chroot every time every where for any command i get the same error message "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory" |
| 02:24.37 | aeshyamae | and the '/bin/bash' changes for command |
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| 02:24.57 | Seb | aeshyamae: you need to install bash in the chroot |
| 02:25.21 | Seb | GhostlyDeath: you'd use a real editor for that |
| 02:26.20 | aeshyamae | seb:my usb flash drive's main partiton is mounted at /mnt/buildroot and at /mnt/buildroot/bin there are files bash ,ls ,su....and so on |
| 02:26.39 | aeshyamae | and i am trying to do chroot on /mnt/buildroot |
| 02:26.58 | Seb | aeshyamae: so you can should be able to "chroot /mnt/buildroot bash" |
| 02:27.05 | Seb | s/can should/should/ |
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| 02:28.10 | aeshyamae | seb:chroot: cannot run command `bash': No such file or directory |
| 02:28.24 | aeshyamae | :( |
| 02:28.26 | Seb | aeshyamae: ... /bin/bash gives the same ? |
| 02:28.29 | fsteves | chroot /mnt/buildroot /bin/bash |
| 02:28.48 | aeshyamae | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 02:28.50 | thingfish | I've been curious...now with gaim being named pidgin, are there any plans to change etch's gaim to respect copyrights and all that? |
| 02:29.19 | GhostlyDeath | Seb: Luckily I'm writing C++ source code and guess what GCC does when there is no \n at EOF =P |
| 02:29.46 | aeshyamae | and i tried issuing chroot both at /mnt/buildroot/ and at outside |
| 02:29.55 | aeshyamae | same same result |
| 02:30.00 | Seb | thingfish: unless it's security-related, nothing goes into stable |
| 02:30.18 | Seb | thingfish: the "copyrights and all that" are still ok in etch, since it's the old version that was packaged |
| 02:30.36 | Seb | aeshyamae: strace chroot /mnt/buildroot /bin/bash |
| 02:30.39 | thingfish | Seb: I know that, but I was wondering if there might not be an exception made since it's kind of a legal issue. |
| 02:31.24 | thingfish | I mean, it's not so much a Debian issue as it is AOL saying "You can't use that name." |
| 02:31.58 | thingfish | but then of course, who are they going to sue... |
| 02:32.44 | Seb | thingfish: you seem to have missed the part about the version in etch being the old one, with the old copyrights |
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| 02:33.01 | thingfish | Seb: I did *not* realize that, true. |
| 02:33.21 | Seb | thingfish: how is it a legal issue to use an older version of some software, with the old license and everything ? |
| 02:33.24 | Seb | thingfish: heh |
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| 02:36.19 | parsek_77 | I am going to install etch on my laptop. do u suggest to install it from net cd or kde? I'm going to use kde. |
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| 02:37.30 | cluck | hi |
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| 02:39.52 | koojoo_ | i am reading a tutorail on linux and it tells me that export TERM= is not a good idea, is this true?... i added export TERM="klone-acs" ; echo -e "\033(U" to my /etc/bash/bashrc in order to duispkay ansi chars proper |
| 02:40.39 | wols_ | parsek_77: depends how you access the net |
| 02:41.36 | wols_ | Seb: you seem to have missed the part where this isin't about copyrights at all, and AOL could sue debian any day if they so wished |
| 02:41.53 | Seb | wols_: ? |
| 02:41.54 | wols_ | a trademark is no copyright |
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| 02:43.57 | parsek_77 | wols_: kde cd has xorg and kde as extra |
| 02:44.13 | wols_ | parsek_77: it's not what I asked |
| 02:45.19 | parsek_77 | I have fast connection |
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| 02:47.04 | wols_ | parsek_77: I meant can you do a wired connection or wireless only? |
| 02:47.19 | parsek_77 | I can do wired |
| 02:47.20 | wols_ | if wired: install over network. if wireless: get kde on CD |
| 02:47.23 | Kurtism | anybody know of a list of WIFI cards supported natively in the kernel? so I don't have to piss around with any of this third party junk like ndiswrapper |
| 02:47.24 | aeshyamae | seb:as i issued "strace chroot /mnt/buildroot /bin/bash" it has a lot of "no such file or directory"like this:execve("/bin/bash", ["/bin/bash"], [/* 29 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 02:47.39 | wols_ | Kurtism: lots |
| 02:47.47 | Kurtism | a comprehensive list? |
| 02:48.00 | wols_ | but almost all need (non free) fimrware |
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| 02:48.14 | wols_ | !hcl |
| 02:48.14 | dpkg | somebody said hcl was at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
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| 02:48.29 | wols_ | and pretty much none is in a debian kernel by default :( |
| 02:48.30 | Kurtism | hmmm |
| 02:48.33 | parsek_77 | wols_: has u ever done a laptop install> |
| 02:48.42 | Kurtism | I'll compile my own kernel I'm fine with that |
| 02:48.43 | wols_ | parsek_77: yes |
| 02:48.50 | Kurtism | as long as I don't have to use a damned windows driver |
| 02:48.59 | Kurtism | using ndiswrapper has really pissed me off |
| 02:49.05 | wols_ | Kurtism: maybe. but you don't compile your own kernel when installing |
| 02:49.12 | aeshyamae | seb:how can i interpret the long report of strace or what line should i look for? |
| 02:49.13 | parsek_77 | wols_: is it too complicated to install wireless sound and nvidia? |
| 02:49.17 | Kurtism | I'll do it after I've installed |
| 02:49.22 | wols_ | Kurtism: get an intel chip based card |
| 02:49.24 | Kurtism | dpkg |
| 02:49.45 | Kurtism | any 802.11n draft 2.0 devices supported? |
| 02:49.49 | wols_ | parsek_77: depends. how hard it is has nothing to do with it being a laptop |
| 02:50.09 | Seb | Kurtism: nah, don't; get something free like prism or cisco |
| 02:50.12 | wols_ | Kurtism: very unlikely |
| 02:50.22 | wols_ | Kurtism: get the latest intel chip |
| 02:50.52 | Kurtism | doesn't prism and atheros require a special driver from madwifi or linuxant or some junk like that. |
| 02:50.54 | wols_ | Seb: what does "cisco" mean in terms of wlan? since when do they make their own chips? |
| 02:51.11 | Kurtism | prism95 |
| 02:51.13 | Kurtism | or something |
| 02:51.17 | Seb | Kurtism: not that I know of |
| 02:51.26 | Kurtism | something to do with softmac |
| 02:51.33 | wols_ | Seb: there are many different prism variants |
| 02:51.36 | Seb | wols_: chipsets cisco put on their NICs don't need firmware |
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| 02:51.47 | wols_ | Seb: and which chipsets are those? |
| 02:52.01 | wols_ | e.g. I know ralink devices don't need firmware either |
| 02:52.01 | aeshyamae | seb:what could be wrong with chroot? |
| 02:52.06 | Seb | wols_: those that don't need firmware, obvisouly, which is all my kernel cares about |
| 02:52.12 | perplex | anyone know why i get this error when trying to install packages? i think i set my system python to 2.5 and its not supported |
| 02:52.23 | aeshyamae | how can i check the strace for problem? |
| 02:52.26 | Seb | wols_: real comforting to rely ismply on a vendor's name and not have to look for the chipset |
| 02:52.29 | Seb | wols_: you should try it |
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| 02:52.46 | Seb | aeshyamae: is /bin/bash marked +x for everyone in that chroot ? |
| 02:52.49 | karsten | aeshyamae: SOP is run strace, read from bottom looking for errors, save to file if it's at all significant output. |
| 02:52.51 | wols_ | Seb: foolish. cicso can and might change that any time |
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| 02:53.09 | wols_ | not exactly unheard of wlan card makers... |
| 02:53.18 | Seb | wols_: so could anyone. It's also true from chipset vendors, look at atheros. |
| 02:53.38 | perplex | i get this error when installing packages via apt-get install |
| 02:53.39 | wols_ | which is why "just relying on a name" is a foolish thing to do |
| 02:53.42 | perplex | http://rafb.net/p/4hHAQQ78.html |
| 02:53.48 | perplex | anyone kow how to fix this? |
| 02:53.51 | Seb | wols_: in any case, any cisco wifi card so far will work right away |
| 02:53.55 | Seb | wols_: that's comforting, and true |
| 02:54.25 | wols_ | perplex: use python 2.4 |
| 02:54.33 | perplex | how do i change it wols_ ? |
| 02:54.44 | wols_ | !install it |
| 02:54.50 | wols_ | !installit |
| 02:54.50 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 02:54.52 | perplex | it's installed |
| 02:54.58 | perplex | how do i set the default? |
| 02:55.15 | perplex | i have python2.4 installed |
| 02:55.20 | wols_ | then make sure /usr/bin/python points to 2.4 |
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| 02:55.37 | perplex | i checked the symlinks and it does |
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| 02:56.14 | aeshyamae | seb:+x is not showing any positive results |
| 02:56.25 | Seb | aeshyamae: i meant ls -l /mnt/buildroot/bin/bash |
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| 02:57.07 | aeshyamae | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 677184 2006-12-12 02:50 /mnt/buildroot/bin/bash |
| 02:57.23 | Seb | aeshyamae: can you run this directly without chroot ? |
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| 02:58.03 | wols_ | 0then find out how that script finds its used python version and remdy that |
| 02:58.21 | aeshyamae | issuing bin/bash at /mnt/buildroot just gives another prompt without anymessage |
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| 02:58.49 | fsteves | chroot /mnt/buildroot /mnt/buildroot/bin/bash |
| 02:58.52 | fsteves | whats that do heh |
| 02:59.03 | Seb | fsteves: that's not quite how it works heh |
| 02:59.10 | fsteves | I know :> |
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| 02:59.30 | heavensrevenge | hello |
| 02:59.43 | heavensrevenge | is there anyway to get apt to output a list of installed packages?? |
| 02:59.43 | aeshyamae | :( |
| 02:59.55 | perplex | wols_: im having no luck |
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| 03:00.06 | wols_ | heavensrevenge: dpkg -l |grep ii |
| 03:00.09 | perplex | ls -l /usr/bin/python |
| 03:00.09 | perplex | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-06-14 22:57 /usr/bin/python -> /usr/bin/python2.4 |
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| 03:00.30 | wols_ | then find out how that script finds its used python version and remedy that |
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| 03:01.05 | perplex | what script? |
| 03:01.08 | perplex | apt-get? |
| 03:01.15 | heavensrevenge | will it output to like a text file wols_ ?? |
| 03:01.16 | Seb | perplex: python-central will use all installed versions of python to produce compiled version of whatver it installs |
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| 03:01.44 | fsteves | wow my eyesight is going fast lol |
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| 03:02.02 | aeshyamae | seb:issuing bin/date at /mnt/buildroot gives the date printed and bin/bash,bin/su gives just a blink so thats working without chroot na? |
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| 03:02.19 | Seb | aeshyamae: yeah; you run chroot as root, correct ? |
| 03:02.25 | aeshyamae | yaya |
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| 03:03.18 | heavensrevenge | op nvm, dumb question;) |
| 03:03.22 | Seb | aeshyamae: chroot /mnt/... /bin/date yields the same ? |
| 03:03.26 | heavensrevenge | thanks alot wols_ !!! |
| 03:03.42 | perplex | im never going to be able to install another pkg |
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| 03:05.04 | heavensrevenge | um, 1 more question |
| 03:05.28 | heavensrevenge | how am i able to increase konsoles list |
| 03:05.41 | heavensrevenge | its too long a list, lol |
| 03:05.53 | heavensrevenge | and only lists from the libs down |
| 03:05.54 | aeshyamae | seb:ya tried date,bin/date,/bin/date,/mnt/buildroot/bin/date all gives no such file |
| 03:06.28 | Seb | perplex: apt-get remove python2.5, man |
| 03:06.33 | Seb | perplex: and add it back later on |
| 03:06.52 | Seb | aeshyamae: can you boot this chroot at all ? |
| 03:07.05 | Seb | aeshyamae: maybe it's missing something critical, like libc6 or something |
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| 03:08.22 | hicks | does anyone know why i am unable to login to my webserver using webmin? |
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| 03:10.05 | aeshyamae | ooo libc6...i had many probs with libc6 before in my old distros......as i install some programs(by downloading the deb manually) it will say it has some unresolved dependency on libc6 and then as i check in synaptic i see the libc6 installed...i tried manually downloading libc6 deb and installing then it shows the deficency of tzdata so ill do that also like libc6 and finally ill get the libc6 broken:) |
| 03:10.18 | perplex | Seb: i can't. when i run that, apt-get complains about have to run apt-get -f install to meet some dependecies, then when i run that, i get the error about the python versioning |
| 03:10.48 | rahul | aeshyamae: you don't have network access? |
| 03:11.35 | wwasher | how does one restart enlightenment without shutting it down and without the menus? it seems that when xscreensaver puts the monitor on standby, when there is an enlightnement menu up, the mouse cursor dissapears |
| 03:12.03 | aeshyamae | rahul:i have a nice broadband.i have to manually install programs that are not in repos na? |
| 03:12.14 | rahul | why are they not in repos? |
| 03:12.15 | Seb | perplex: dpkg --purge python2.5 ? |
| 03:12.27 | wwasher | i saw without shutting it down, cos i'd rather not go back to the main tty console and ctrl+c.... |
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| 03:13.37 | perplex | it removed it, but same error |
| 03:13.52 | Seb | perplex: if it ain't there no more, pythn-central won't try to use it |
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| 03:14.05 | Seb | perplex: worse comes to worse, mv /usr/bin/python2.5 /some/where/ |
| 03:14.09 | perplex | believe me it is |
| 03:14.10 | Seb | and restore it afterwards |
| 03:14.16 | aeshyamae | rahul:may be i didnt know then how to add that repos to my synaptic anyway i dont have that libc6 prob now...but i said as i install some deb manually(by clicking the deb file)i had some problem with the unresolved dependency of libc6 |
| 03:14.57 | perplex | Seb: i rm'd it, and same problem |
| 03:15.11 | Seb | perplex: dpkg -L python2.5 |
| 03:15.23 | viator | are distros like xandros suse and linspire still allowed to give code to the community? |
| 03:15.27 | aeshyamae | seb:wow i did chroot on another partition hda10 which is in my HDD but i cant do chroot on usb |
| 03:15.33 | perplex | Package `python2.5' is not installed. |
| 03:15.33 | perplex | Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, |
| 03:15.33 | perplex | and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their content |
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| 03:16.13 | viator | especially kernel development |
| 03:16.36 | viator | they give linux the poison pill |
| 03:17.59 | n3kl | How can I get ie6 on debian? |
| 03:18.14 | fsteves | lol |
| 03:18.23 | aeshyamae | haha |
| 03:18.27 | viator | ies4linux |
| 03:18.31 | wwasher | that is a very strange question |
| 03:18.32 | n3kl | yup, I know. I need it |
| 03:18.40 | fsteves | lol, that made my night man |
| 03:18.47 | fsteves | no offense please |
| 03:18.55 | fsteves | that was a pretty sweet ass question |
| 03:18.57 | n3kl | viator: googleing, thanks |
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| 03:19.19 | n3kl | my stupid online class does not work with anything else |
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| 03:19.51 | perplex | get mozilla to idenfity as ie6 |
| 03:20.02 | viator | is it active x |
| 03:20.03 | viator | script |
| 03:20.05 | fsteves | http://www.debianadmin.com/running-internet-explorer-debian-and-ubuntu-linux.htmlprint/ |
| 03:20.49 | n3kl | fsteves: found it |
| 03:20.49 | viator | if not maybe as perplex says use a user agent switcher |
| 03:21.20 | n3kl | thanks |
| 03:21.41 | aeshyamae | seb:i cant umount /mnt/buildroot shows the device is busy and as i try to do that through desktop it says:Error: mount point /mnt/buildroot is not below /media/ |
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| 03:25.10 | aeshyamae | seb:i cant get a clue what to do next....chroot works fine for hdd's but not for usb |
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| 03:30.17 | Cyis | ok... help me out here I'm having a brain fart... trying to remember what command to use to mount a specific partition of a raw drive image file through loopback... I just can't recall it off hand |
| 03:30.48 | fedx | i tried to upgrade lvm2 via apt, but it is hanging at "Backing up any LVM2 metadata that may exist..." any ideas? |
| 03:31.41 | fedx | Cyis: google for mounting disk images |
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| 03:32.58 | dniel | how is the better? Gnome o KDE? |
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| 03:33.24 | fedx | dniel: vim or emacs? ;) |
| 03:33.35 | dniel | fedx, vim :P |
| 03:33.40 | fedx | hah |
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| 03:34.03 | dniel | fedx, jojojo really i don't know |
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| 03:34.21 | fedx | dniel: it's a matter of taste |
| 03:34.33 | Cyis | fedx: I am... I thought I recalled using a command once rather than having to use the '-o loop,offset=X' option to mount |
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| 03:34.51 | fedx | frankly, i never liked either... use e17 |
| 03:35.02 | aeshyamae | seb:i mounted usbdisk at /media/usbdisk-1 |
| 03:35.17 | aeshyamae | this time as i isssue chroot i get permission denied but iam rppt |
| 03:35.18 | aeshyamae | root |
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| 03:38.56 | aeshyamae | seb:permission denied all the way but i am root what could be the reason??? |
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| 03:39.53 | grigora | anyone? |
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| 03:40.35 | Rusty1 | aeshyamae: i'm guessing here, but is your earlier chroot sesision still active? |
| 03:41.23 | aeshyamae | rusty1:no,i have closed that window....wont that end by then? |
| 03:42.43 | Rusty1 | aeshyamae: i'm guessing here, (again), ps -aux |grep chroot |
| 03:44.09 | aeshyamae | avahi 2494 0.0 0.1 2556 484 ? Ss Jun14 0:00 avahi-daemon: c hroot helper |
| 03:44.09 | aeshyamae | root 6216 0.0 0.1 2852 708 pts/0 R+ 09:13 0:00 grep chroot |
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| 03:44.26 | aeshyamae | donno whats avahi?? |
| 03:45.06 | aeshyamae | rusty1:is avahi the problem? |
| 03:45.29 | fedx | anyone catch my question? |
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| 03:45.34 | stew | aeshyamae: avahi is a library for automatic discovery of network services via multicast |
| 03:45.52 | aeshyamae | stew:ya so that prevents me using chroot? |
| 03:45.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know how to compile software with lazarus? |
| 03:46.04 | stew | aeshyamae: it has nothing to do with chroot |
| 03:46.15 | aeshyamae | ok:) |
| 03:46.40 | aeshyamae | i cant even guess whats going wrong here thats why asked |
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| 03:46.56 | stew | aeshyamae: exactly what command are you running? |
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| 03:47.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, anyone? :) |
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| 03:47.35 | aeshyamae | karanattu:/home/shyam# chroot /media/usbdisk-1/ |
| 03:47.35 | aeshyamae | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied |
| 03:47.51 | stew | aeshyamae: does /media/usbdisk-1/bin/bash exist? |
| 03:47.57 | aeshyamae | ya |
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| 03:48.08 | Seb | aeshyamae: perms on it ? |
| 03:48.14 | stew | aeshyamae: is /media/usbdisk-1 mounted with noexec? |
| 03:50.04 | stew | aeshyamae: (does "mount | grep usbdisk-1" return a line with containing 'noexec'?) |
| 03:51.32 | aeshyamae | ya:-D |
| 03:52.02 | aeshyamae | now chmod +x * -R at /media/usbdisk-1 will do ? |
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| 03:53.13 | stew | aeshyamae: no, bin/bash already is +x, its just that its mounted with the wrong options, remount it without noexe |
| 03:53.16 | stew | noexec* |
| 03:53.32 | Acu | how can I clean Debian from temporary files (KDE generated, Konqueror generated etc) ? |
| 03:53.34 | aeshyamae | ooo ok |
| 03:53.54 | metbsd | yah delete ~/.kde maybe |
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| 03:54.21 | stew | aeshyamae: probably "mount -o remount,exec /media/usbdisk-1" will fix it |
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| 03:56.29 | aeshyamae | thanks a lotttt ill check that now..... |
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| 04:04.32 | fengor | ~/.kde should be user settings/ temporary filesshould be under /tmp Acu. but take a look for yourself i' no kde user |
| 04:05.09 | xlotlu | is there a sid install cd? |
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| 04:05.56 | aeshyamae | stew:have to have some food sorry for being late ill login after 15 mins |
| 04:05.57 | fengor | no xlotlu |
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| 04:06.45 | GhostlyDeath_ | I gave this process a nice value of 15 and it's slooow! |
| 04:06.53 | GhostlyDeath_ | thought it wouldn't be this slow |
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| 04:11.55 | Acu | fengor: thanks indeed the user home .files are the place to look at |
| 04:12.12 | fengor | ok acu :) |
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| 04:13.40 | GreaseMonkey | hey, mount -o loop is f'd up the ass |
| 04:13.42 | GreaseMonkey | ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy |
| 04:13.42 | Acu | fengor: I found also that when you apt-get (I use synaptic package manager) the .deb files you install remain in the cache (somewhere in /var) that takes hundreds of mb - just erased that too |
| 04:13.44 | GreaseMonkey | could someone please help? |
| 04:13.54 | GreaseMonkey | it's debian 3.1, released abt jan 2005 |
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| 04:17.14 | xlotlu | Acu: in the future do apt-get clean |
| 04:17.33 | Acu | thanks |
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| 04:18.36 | Acu | I am about to setup some virtual hosts - so far I failed, I still cannot find a proper example for DEbian based Apache 2.2 configuration |
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| 04:19.04 | GreaseMonkey | hello? how do I completely reset my loopback device? |
| 04:19.36 | Acu | I understood that in sites available - default file should contain the instructions about the virtual hosts |
| 04:19.43 | shiki | can anyone help me with this sound problem ive got a 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) and i cannot figure how to make sound, ive tried almost every idea, bit still get no sound could anyone help me? |
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| 04:22.12 | koojoo | i have added an echo -e "\033(U" to my /etc/bashrc but it is not running whenever i start a console.... why??? |
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| 04:24.15 | tiiiam | how can i change fstab so when my windows partiton is mounted, users other than root can see it |
| 04:25.51 | Dewi | tiiiam: NTFS or FAT32? |
| 04:26.38 | tiiiam | Dewi: ntfs |
| 04:27.03 | santiaguito | you need change permit... user group or owner... |
| 04:27.13 | Dewi | tiiiam: I don't know. NTFS has permissions on it, but I'm not sure if your mount will be using them |
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| 04:27.56 | n3kl | Is proftpd better than vsftpd? |
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| 04:29.14 | shiki | !nvidia |
| 04:29.14 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 04:29.45 | tenzin | hi, my apt-get install <pkg> results in a segmentation fault... what could be the problem? |
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| 04:31.13 | jnsears_ | hi, i'm trying to run a script from postfix and it's unable to find execvp. and neither am i. how do i install execvp? |
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| 04:36.00 | Shadur | tenzin: broken libs somewhere. At which point do you get the segfault? |
| 04:36.10 | koojoo | i have added an echo -e "\033(U" to my /etc/bashrc but it is not running whenever i start a console.... why??? |
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| 04:41.35 | wols_ | jnsears_: execvp is a function, not a program usually |
| 04:42.21 | wols_ | !tell Tidus about ntfs |
| 04:42.30 | Tidus | what the? |
| 04:42.57 | Tidus | wols_, what the ? |
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| 04:44.46 | tenzin | Shadur: the segfault occurs after the message "writing extended information ... done" |
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| 04:47.58 | SkramX | what's the binary/tool to configure daemons @ statup, etc.? |
| 04:48.05 | parsonsd | \ |
| 04:48.52 | nevyn | update-rc.d |
| 04:49.04 | nevyn | but I tend to use mv ;) |
| 04:49.39 | SkramX | so if i want to stop mdadm? |
| 04:50.08 | SkramX | just delete the /etc/rc0.d/###mdadm file? |
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| 04:51.09 | wols_ | Tidus: tiiam wasn't here anymore. so you became the victim :) |
| 04:51.10 | wols_ | sry |
| 04:51.23 | SkramX | hrm |
| 04:51.41 | wols_ | SkramX: basically yes |
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| 04:51.52 | SkramX | ok |
| 04:51.54 | SkramX | let's see :) |
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| 04:54.11 | parsek_77 | I just installed atch and KDE, but kde start panel is missing, what should I install |
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| 04:55.00 | wols_ | how did you install kde and are you actually using kde as your WM? |
| 04:55.18 | parsek_77 | i installed like apt-get install kde kdm |
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| 04:57.18 | parsek_77 | wols_: I have the kicker , but don't have the clock, start button etc |
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| 05:00.09 | metbsd | how do i open .daa file? |
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| 05:01.00 | tralala | metbsd, what does "file filename" say? |
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| 05:01.44 | wols_ | tralala: it is some proprietary CD iso file... |
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| 05:01.53 | artagnon | $ whoami says "whoami: cannot find name for user ID 5001" |
| 05:02.03 | artagnon | I tried re-adding my account with no result |
| 05:02.03 | parsek_77 | wols_: when kde is starting it's giving applet loading error |
| 05:02.10 | artagnon | ie. userdel + useradd |
| 05:02.29 | valdyn | artagnon: useradd wont magically hit the right numerical ID ( 5001 ) |
| 05:02.36 | tralala | artagnon, does the newly added user have id 5001? |
| 05:02.38 | valdyn | artagnon: but you can fix that manually too |
| 05:02.51 | wols_ | parsek_77: telling us error messages is not optional if we're supposed to help you |
| 05:02.52 | artagnon | tralala: I dunno |
| 05:02.55 | artagnon | valdyn: how? |
| 05:03.06 | valdyn | artagnon: edit /etc/passwd |
| 05:03.24 | valdyn | artagnon: and /etc/group |
| 05:03.25 | wols_ | tralala: only if he has ~4000 other users :) |
| 05:03.25 | artagnon | valdyn: okay, what should I change? |
| 05:03.34 | tralala | wols_, ;) |
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| 05:03.35 | valdyn | artagnon: the UID |
| 05:03.48 | wols_ | artagnon: man 5 passwd |
| 05:03.49 | artagnon | valdyn: to what ie? |
| 05:04.00 | metbsd | tralala, direct access archive |
| 05:04.01 | valdyn | artagnon: to 5001 |
| 05:04.09 | artagnon | valdyn: it is 5001 |
| 05:04.28 | tralala | metbsd, I guess you need direct access to open it in that case |
| 05:04.38 | wols_ | parsek_77: so what does it say? |
| 05:04.52 | valdyn | artagnon: 'grep 5001 /etc/passwd' |
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| 05:05.04 | metbsd | does anyone know how to get direct access in debian stable? |
| 05:05.05 | emman101 | does anyone use Ajunta compiler and IDE here? I have trouble running my C program.. it creates an object but it won't show the output.. |
| 05:05.15 | artagnon | valdyn: artagnon:x:5001:5001::/home/artagnon:/bin/zsh |
| 05:05.16 | Acu | does anyone knows why Iceweasel quits suddenly (multiple times per day) ? |
| 05:05.19 | artagnon | the last line |
| 05:05.20 | metbsd | direct access please |
| 05:05.58 | metbsd | tralala, how do i get direct access in debian? |
| 05:06.07 | artagnon | valdyn: in /etc/group, the instance is artagnon:x:5001:artagnon |
| 05:06.16 | tralala | metbsd, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Access_Archive |
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| 05:06.50 | valdyn | artagnon: can you log in as artagnon? |
| 05:06.51 | metbsd | i don't have direct access to that page |
| 05:06.55 | artagnon | valdyn: yes |
| 05:07.04 | artagnon | valdyn: in fact, I'm logged in AS artagnon |
| 05:07.07 | metbsd | i just want to open a .daa file |
| 05:07.23 | artagnon | valdyn: I'm having lots of issues like this one: |
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| 05:07.25 | artagnon | [10:35]~: screen |
| 05:07.25 | artagnon | getpwuid() can't identify your account! |
| 05:07.28 | valdyn | artagnon: being able to log in and being already logged in is something else |
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| 05:07.39 | artagnon | valdyn: yes, I can log in. I understand |
| 05:07.41 | valdyn | artagnon: you have a fucked pam or other library being involved in this i guess |
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| 05:07.51 | parsek_77 | wols_: The applet could not be loaded. Please check your installation. |
| 05:07.52 | tralala | metbsd, apparently you need to download and install the propriarity poweriso software |
| 05:08.09 | metbsd | apt-get install poweriso? |
| 05:08.11 | artagnon | valdyn: yes, I have. It was half fixed earlier by liable. I wasn't able to even login as root earlier |
| 05:08.19 | valdyn | artagnon: 'strace -eopen whoami', check with files are opened, verify with debsums |
| 05:08.24 | tralala | metbsd, I said *propriarity* |
| 05:08.29 | parsek_77 | wols_: error window title: Applet loading error - KDE panel |
| 05:08.31 | tralala | as in "not in debian" |
| 05:08.34 | emman101 | does anyone use Ajunta compiler and IDE here? I have trouble running my C program.. it creates an object but it won't show the output.. |
| 05:08.51 | metbsd | maybe slackware? |
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| 05:09.05 | tralala | try #slackware |
| 05:09.07 | parsek_77 | wols_: it gives this error 4 times |
| 05:09.08 | metbsd | or fedora? |
| 05:09.15 | metbsd | will they have poweriso? |
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| 05:09.37 | tralala | metbsd, possibly |
| 05:09.41 | tralala | but unlikely |
| 05:09.56 | metbsd | why |
| 05:10.09 | artagnon | valdyn: Here's the output: http://rafb.net/p/sSfAjk70.html |
| 05:10.16 | metbsd | usually not in debian is likely not in others? |
| 05:10.22 | tralala | metbsd, poweriso, slackware and fedora are all off-topic here |
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| 05:10.49 | tralala | metbsd, for general linux questions try ##linux |
| 05:10.58 | metbsd | it's ok, i just want to open this .daa file, i don't need those |
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| 05:11.03 | valdyn | artagnon: its trying to use ldap for this.. |
| 05:11.12 | valdyn | artagnon: that's not /etc/passwd, what did you do? |
| 05:11.13 | metbsd | it's a general linux question? |
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| 05:11.33 | amigamia | hi what is an alternative to vi as an editor? |
| 05:11.38 | artagnon | valdyn: I was doing a lot of nonsense before, trying to setup an ldap server |
| 05:11.40 | valdyn | artagnon: its not finding the libnss_ldap.so.2 anywhere, that's the error likely |
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| 05:11.51 | metbsd | in ##linux they asked me what distribution i was using, and i said debian etch, they direct me to here |
| 05:11.54 | n3kl | Why does the proftpd welcome message state that it is experimental? Is it not stable/reliable/secure? |
| 05:12.08 | artagnon | valdyn: trying to setup an ldap server and mailserver is what got me into this mess in the first place |
| 05:12.31 | artagnon | valdyn: should I install slapd? |
| 05:12.32 | valdyn | artagnon: geez, your /etc/passwd seems fucked too |
| 05:12.33 | tralala | metbsd, try asking later if anybody has installed poweriso |
| 05:12.35 | valdyn | artagnon: ls -l /etc/passwd |
| 05:12.48 | Kevin` | metbsd http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - this lists tools for some formats, not sure if daa is on there |
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| 05:12.59 | valdyn | artagnon: paste output of that ls command.. |
| 05:13.05 | metbsd | does anyone have poweriso installed here? |
| 05:13.08 | artagnon | valdyn: permissions are: owner can read and write |
| 05:13.16 | artagnon | valdyn: ie o+rw, nothing else |
| 05:13.21 | valdyn | artagnon: everyone needs to be able to read /etc/passwd |
| 05:13.22 | emman101 | does anyone use Ajunta compiler and IDE here? I have trouble running my C program.. it creates an object but it won't show the output.. it says THE PROGRAM FILE IS NOT A LOCALFILE.. |
| 05:13.29 | valdyn | artagnon: and owner needs to be root |
| 05:13.31 | artagnon | valdyn: okay, I'll change perms |
| 05:13.32 | Kevin` | I suspect more people in the windows channel would be likely to have that program then here |
| 05:13.36 | artagnon | owner is root, np |
| 05:13.51 | Kevin` | you should investigate a format before you use it to store important information :) |
| 05:14.06 | artagnon | valdyn: okay done |
| 05:14.13 | valdyn | artagnon: try whoami.. |
| 05:14.28 | metbsd | Kevin`, why is that |
| 05:14.30 | artagnon | valdyn: no, I can't grant write permissions for some reason |
| 05:14.34 | metbsd | is it windows prone? |
| 05:14.35 | Kevin` | metbsd ... |
| 05:14.43 | valdyn | artagnon: you cant WHAT? |
| 05:14.47 | artagnon | valdyn: ah, that's okay |
| 05:14.48 | artagnon | sorry |
| 05:14.49 | artagnon | nothing |
| 05:14.51 | Kevin` | metbsd if you can't figure out why you should investigate compatability before you use something.. |
| 05:15.06 | valdyn | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2450 20. Mai 13:08 /etc/passwd |
| 05:15.09 | artagnon | valdyn: yeah, whoami returns artagnon correctly now |
| 05:15.12 | artagnon | valdyn: yes, that's fine |
| 05:15.20 | artagnon | thanks, we solved one problem |
| 05:15.26 | metbsd | i don't know what to investigate |
| 05:15.44 | artagnon | hmmm... more sensible error |
| 05:15.47 | artagnon | valdyn: [10:45]~: screen |
| 05:15.47 | artagnon | You are not the owner of /var/run/screen/S-artagnon. |
| 05:15.48 | tralala | metbsd, if anybody knew they would've told you by now so I assume currently nobody does. Ask again in a few hours. Keep in mind that use of propriarity software is no encouraged or widely spread in here. |
| 05:15.53 | metbsd | you mean i should check if file extension is compatible with debian before i download it? |
| 05:15.58 | Kevin` | metbsd well then at least have some sense, and use something standard or that can be read by more then one program in existance |
| 05:16.15 | Kevin` | oh you downloaded an image in daa format? |
| 05:16.21 | artagnon | valdyn: changed perms, it starts now |
| 05:16.24 | metbsd | sorry, a .daa file is propriarity software? |
| 05:16.32 | Kevin` | metbsd yes, only poweriso uses it |
| 05:16.35 | artagnon | valdyn: Thanks a bunch! A lot of problems seem to be solved |
| 05:16.50 | metbsd | if it's .iso, but same content, is it still propriarity software? or better? |
| 05:16.56 | valdyn | artagnon: welcome |
| 05:17.09 | Kevin` | metbsd i'm pretty sure it's not iso |
| 05:17.16 | tralala | metbsd, .daa is a propriarity file format that can be accessed only by using propriarity software - similar to .rar |
| 05:17.55 | metbsd | if it's .iso, but EXACTLY same content, is it still propriarity software? or better? |
| 05:18.16 | Kevin` | metbsd if it's exactly the same content, it's iso, not daa. iso can't do the extra stuff daa can |
| 05:18.20 | artagnon | valdyn: gee, I'm still unable to play any music. How do I strace mpg321 or /etc/init.d mpd start? |
| 05:18.27 | Kevin` | iso is a direct copy of the data |
| 05:18.36 | valdyn | artagnon: mpg123 some.mp3 and tell us the error |
| 05:18.39 | metbsd | daa does extra things? |
| 05:18.45 | artagnon | valdyn: no error, it just hangs |
| 05:18.46 | tralala | the content is irrelevant to the storage format - you can store free software in .daa and propriarity software in .iso |
| 05:18.51 | Kevin` | metbsd it does password protection, compression, and such |
| 05:18.52 | artagnon | valdyn: and same when I try to start mpd |
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| 05:19.11 | valdyn | artagnon: hangs? maybe it really is playing, not hanging? |
| 05:19.35 | artagnon | valdyn: no, it's hanging. I can confirm that. vlc's progress bar isn't moving |
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| 05:19.38 | metbsd | oh, i didn't know that. |
| 05:19.43 | metbsd | so what should i do now |
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| 05:20.01 | metbsd | i'm on debian stable 4.0 with kernel 2.6.13 |
| 05:20.03 | Kevin` | I suppose you could either get it from your source in another format or use the poweriso software |
| 05:20.14 | fengor | get it in a readable file format or install poweriso software |
| 05:20.20 | tralala | metbsd, debian stable uses 2.6.18 |
| 05:20.26 | metbsd | sorry, i meant 2.6.18 |
| 05:20.31 | valdyn | artagnon: strace -e open mpg123 file.mp3 |
| 05:20.44 | metbsd | apt-get install poweriso return nothing |
| 05:20.47 | artagnon | valdyn: not to worry, alsa WAS setup perfectly before |
| 05:20.51 | artagnon | valdyn: okay, one sec |
| 05:21.04 | valdyn | artagnon: mpg123 might not be using alsa by default.. |
| 05:21.09 | fengor | metbsd: its PROPIETARY software |
| 05:21.16 | Kevin` | metbsd I doubt it's in the debian repositories, as it's not free software and probably has a license that forbids distributino |
| 05:21.18 | fengor | what kind of PROPIETARY didnt you understand? |
| 05:21.25 | Kevin` | metbsd if you want it, get it from the poweriso site |
| 05:21.31 | metbsd | oh i need to pay for it |
| 05:21.35 | metbsd | ? |
| 05:21.45 | metbsd | no opensource software to open .daa file? |
| 05:21.49 | Kevin` | I think they have a trial version or something |
| 05:21.52 | fengor | ask poweriso not us |
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| 05:22.01 | artagnon | valdyn: This is the output http://rafb.net/p/BvIikd52.html |
| 05:22.06 | tralala | metbsd, open your browser and type "powerios.com" - you'll find everything you need to know there |
| 05:22.14 | Kevin` | metbsd I can't find any other software for windows or linux that can do it that doesn't use poweriso |
| 05:22.21 | tralala | poweriso.com |
| 05:22.33 | valdyn | artagnon: fix the permissions of /etc/group too |
| 05:22.53 | valdyn | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1146 20. Mai 13:08 /etc/group |
| 05:22.59 | artagnon | valdyn: yes, it's that |
| 05:23.20 | artagnon | valdyn: /etc/group's permissions are fine |
| 05:23.20 | FriedCPU | is anybody here familiar with ip aliasing? i have it setup, but got a few questions |
| 05:23.21 | metbsd | can't find any word named linux there, nor debian |
| 05:23.41 | Kevin` | http://www.poweriso.com/download.htm |
| 05:23.44 | artagnon | valdyn: what about /etc/shadow? same perms? |
| 05:23.47 | Kevin` | look closer |
| 05:23.59 | valdyn | artagnon: unrelated |
| 05:24.28 | artagnon | valdyn: okay |
| 05:24.28 | Kevin` | apparently the linux utility is free too |
| 05:24.28 | Kevin` | (not open source) |
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| 05:24.41 | valdyn | artagnon: well its stuck on reading /etc/group, maybe that file is broken |
| 05:24.51 | artagnon | valdyn: okay, I'll paste it for you |
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| 05:25.39 | artagnon | valdyn: http://rafb.net/p/Fd3gbJ65.html |
| 05:25.43 | artagnon | that's my /etc/group |
| 05:27.16 | valdyn | artagnon: looks ok at first sight.. im out of time to help though.. |
| 05:27.19 | Supaplex | !tell FriedCPU -about ask |
| 05:27.39 | artagnon | valdyn: okay. Thanks a bunch for all your help |
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| 05:29.16 | FriedCPU | fair enough, I have ip aliasing setup with 3 ips, eth0 eth0:1 eth0:2. works absolutely fine, but I have since found out that net-snmp sees it as 1 interface, not 3 seperate ones, i want to monitor bandwidth on each ip with mrtg, Anyways, I have seen examples of ip aliasing output of "ifconfig" showing the aliases having the RX and TX info, which i assume is what net-snmp uses, mine doesnt have it, any ideas how to get them to be recognized as proper inte |
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| 05:29.48 | artagnon | valdyn: ttyl, I also have to be off now |
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| 05:30.24 | Supaplex | FriedCPU: iptables does accounting, but I'm unaware how, or if it interacts with net-snmp |
| 05:30.52 | mitsuhiko | how comes that this channel is three times as big as the oftc one? |
| 05:30.57 | mitsuhiko | i thought they moved over |
| 05:30.57 | atula | how do I probe for a cd burner which I just added to my computer? |
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| 05:31.25 | Kevin` | mitsuhiko because this one came first and is still maintained as a support channel |
| 05:31.39 | mitsuhiko | now that's reasonable |
| 05:32.19 | Supaplex | atula: man wodim. there's one for scsi (eg, usb or firewire attached), and another for atapi (pata) |
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| 05:33.02 | atula | Supaplex, it's an internal IDE |
| 05:33.20 | Supaplex | that's pata or atapi. |
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| 05:33.45 | FriedCPU | after booting, shouldnt dmesg | tail show something about it? (from memory, wich is poor at best) |
| 05:33.50 | FriedCPU | which* |
| 05:34.12 | rilof | Even thought I'm using an official repository I'm still advised that it is insecure and asked if I want to proceed. What shall I do to state the repository is secure? |
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| 05:34.23 | Supaplex | !etch key |
| 05:34.23 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 05:34.35 | rilof | Supaplex thanks |
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| 05:35.49 | Kevin` | that can happen if your system clock is extremely off |
| 05:35.53 | Kevin` | (years) |
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| 05:40.02 | Danielss89 | hi.. which one of these shall i choose?: [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] [multi-arch] |
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| 05:42.19 | rilof | Danielss89 which architecture do you have (which kind of computer)? |
| 05:42.21 | Supaplex | Danielss89: what kind of computer do you have? |
| 05:42.28 | Danielss89 | its a sun |
| 05:42.30 | Supaplex | or, what are you going to install it on? |
| 05:42.43 | Danielss89 | http://easyspeedy.com/servers/dedicated_servers_SunFireX2100m2_a.jspx <-- this one |
| 05:42.55 | Supaplex | smells like sparc, but it could be intel to. |
| 05:42.58 | rilof | Danielss89 sparc |
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| 05:43.03 | Danielss89 | ok |
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| 05:44.38 | aeshyamae | hi stew: i remounted /media/usbdisk-1 with exec as u said but now the error message changed from permission denied to no such file |
| 05:45.13 | aeshyamae | means i get error message whille i issue chroot |
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| 05:51.48 | Danielss89 | wow debian is 20 cd's :P thats a lot of space.. |
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| 05:59.39 | stew | aeshyamae: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 06:03.05 | parsek_77 | I have intel pro 2200 wireless card. i installed firmware to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware but knetwork manager does not see it, what can be wrong? |
| 06:03.31 | stew | parsek_77: is /usr on a different partition? |
| 06:03.36 | patrakov | wrong directory |
| 06:03.46 | parsek_77 | stew: no |
| 06:03.48 | patrakov | the firmware must be in /lib/firmware |
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| 06:04.19 | parsek_77 | patrakov: iwconfig shows it as eth2 |
| 06:04.40 | parsek_77 | patrakov: do i need to delete previous one |
| 06:05.17 | patrakov | just move all files from obsolete /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware to /lib/firmware |
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| 06:05.48 | aeshyamae | karanattu:/home/shyam# mount -o remount,exec /media/usbdisk-1 |
| 06:05.48 | aeshyamae | karanattu:/home/shyam# chroot /media/usbdisk-1 |
| 06:05.48 | aeshyamae | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
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| 06:06.10 | parsek_77 | patrakov: then reboot? |
| 06:06.27 | stew | aeshyamae: what does "ls -l /media/usbdisk-1/bin/bash" say? |
| 06:06.32 | stew | parsek_77: reboot? no |
| 06:06.40 | patrakov | parsek_77: it won't hurt |
| 06:06.43 | stew | what? |
| 06:06.59 | stew | parsek_77: no, don't reboot, you can reload the module with "modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200" |
| 06:07.05 | aeshyamae | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.06 | aeshyamae | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 677184 2006-12-12 02:50 /media/usbdisk-1/bin/bash |
| 06:07.14 | stew | parsek_77: were you getting errors specific to loading firmware? |
| 06:07.23 | Danielss89 | what the command for seing how much diskspace is in use/free on all harddisks |
| 06:07.35 | stew | Danielss89: df -h |
| 06:07.42 | Danielss89 | thx |
| 06:07.56 | parsek_77 | stew: no |
| 06:08.08 | stew | parsek_77: then i doubt it was a problem with the location of the firmware. |
| 06:08.13 | parsek_77 | patrakov: i did that...no error, nothing seems changed |
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| 06:09.03 | stew | parsek_77: check "dmesg | tail" but if it is already showing up as eth2 and it shows up in iwconfig, then i'd say its a problem with knetwork manager |
| 06:09.46 | patrakov | I have a cron job that mirrors Debian daily using debmirror. The problem is that I don't always get the output mailed to me. The MTA is Courier 0.47-4sarge5. I suspect that Courier times out waiting for input from the cron job to finish. Is this a bug? Is it fixed in Etch? If not, what other MTA doesn't have this problem? |
| 06:09.46 | artagnon | my audio output devices seem to hang. I had some PAM issues earlier and I strongly suspect this is part of it. I'm sure alsa is setup okay and my user is added to audio group. Here's the strace of mpg321 trying to play some music and hanging: http://rafb.net/p/56GexB84.html |
| 06:09.50 | hark | parsek_77: comment it out from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:10.25 | artagnon | I can't play any music at all, be it via mpg321, mplayer, vlc or mpd |
| 06:10.36 | artagnon | all of them clearly hang |
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| 06:11.07 | patrakov | artagnon: anything in dmeag? |
| 06:11.11 | patrakov | dmesg |
| 06:11.15 | artagnon | patrakov: no |
| 06:11.17 | parsek_77 | hark: comment out what? |
| 06:11.23 | artagnon | patrakov: it's not a kernel problem |
| 06:11.50 | cahoot | artagnon, test with simplest possible tool - aplay <some.wav> or yes|aplay |
| 06:11.58 | artagnon | patrakov: This is there though, although I doubt it's related |
| 06:12.01 | artagnon | ATA: abnormal status 0x80 on port 0x000109f7 |
| 06:12.05 | artagnon | cahoot: okay, one sec |
| 06:12.10 | aeshyamae | stew:u got the strace result? |
| 06:12.15 | hatter | i should be able to partition a disk with fdisk to ntfs without any problems shouldnt i ? |
| 06:12.21 | stew | aeshyamae: no? |
| 06:12.25 | parsek_77 | stew: there is no error, it detects the card |
| 06:12.39 | stew | parsek_77: yeah, you never had a firmware problem |
| 06:12.48 | hark | parsek_77: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 06:12.51 | aeshyamae | i just pasted the strace results after"/msg dpokg pastebin" isnt that the way to do that? |
| 06:13.05 | stew | aeshyamae: where did you paste them? |
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| 06:14.12 | stew | aeshyamae: no, don't paste them into irc, paste them into a website like paste.debian.net or channels.debian.net/paste or pastebin.ca |
| 06:14.21 | artagnon | cahoot: seems to hang at the same place: /etc/group: http://rafb.net/p/fWpNDG84.html |
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| 06:15.28 | cahoot | artagnon, did you see any error in the terminal (not from strace)? |
| 06:15.34 | artagnon | cahoot: NO |
| 06:15.56 | artagnon | cahoot: another interesting feature is that even root can't play any music |
| 06:16.30 | cahoot | artagnon, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* - anything returned? |
| 06:16.51 | artagnon | cahoot: no, nothing |
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| 06:17.24 | artagnon | cahoot: the audio device is clearly not jammed by somethig else |
| 06:17.37 | cahoot | artagnon, try this: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 06:17.37 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:18.30 | artagnon | cahoot: no result, aplay is stuck at the same place again |
| 06:18.46 | aeshyamae | stew: ok i pasted the strace results in pastebin.ca at http://pastebin.ca/567956 |
| 06:19.38 | parsek_77 | hark: I read it, made changed to interfaces, didn't change anything, rebooting now. |
| 06:19.52 | hark | wait |
| 06:20.14 | hark | /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart |
| 06:20.42 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 06:20.42 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 06:20.48 | parsek_77 | hark: i did that |
| 06:21.27 | parsek_77 | hark: when rebooting it tried to connect through dhcpd using 255.255.255.255 |
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| 06:23.30 | aeshyamae | stew:i still cant get where the problem is |
| 06:23.38 | cahoot | artagnon, by the looks of it alsa isn't your problem - might be permissions as you assumed from the beginning |
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| 06:24.28 | hark | parsek_77: does it show up in knetworkmanager? |
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| 06:24.40 | parsek_77 | harnope |
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| 06:24.47 | parsek_77 | hark: nope |
| 06:24.50 | stew | aeshyamae: execve("/bin/bash", ["/bin/bash", "-i"], [/* 28 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 06:24.57 | artagnon | cahoot: yes! |
| 06:24.59 | stew | aeshyamae: that is the problem |
| 06:25.07 | aeshyamae | oo |
| 06:25.08 | aeshyamae | so |
| 06:25.34 | artagnon | cahoot: I checked the perms of /etc/group. It's +r, o+w |
| 06:25.42 | artagnon | cahoot: and root owns it, that's fine |
| 06:25.44 | stew | aeshyamae: which seems to indicate the /media/usbdisk-1/bin/bash doesn't exist |
| 06:25.45 | ErichK | Anyone have a nautilus script so I can change folder rights? |
| 06:26.08 | artagnon | cahoot: eariler today, I had another problem with my /etc/passwd not being the right perms. I had to correct it to +r |
| 06:26.12 | aeshyamae | oo god but i can cd there |
| 06:26.12 | gpm | just right-click and go to properties |
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| 06:26.57 | aeshyamae | stew:ls and cd shows its there!!! |
| 06:27.05 | cahoot | artagnon, FWIW /etc/group is rw-r--r-- root/root here |
| 06:27.18 | artagnon | cahoot: yes, it's fine here too then |
| 06:28.03 | parsek_77 | hark: any idea? |
| 06:28.58 | artagnon | cahoot: I'm not sure this will help but here's the strace of ncmpc trying to start and connect to mpd: http://rafb.net/p/Q8xOhU12.html |
| 06:29.10 | stew | aeshyamae: you should be running strace with -f, i dunno if the ENOENT is bubbling up from the execve process |
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| 06:29.24 | hark | parsek_77: well, other than the interfaces and being in the group netdev, dunno why it's not showing up there... maybe do a restart of dbus |
| 06:29.55 | parsek_77 | how? |
| 06:30.08 | aeshyamae | stew:ok just a sec ill try |
| 06:30.29 | artagnon | cahoot: my dmesg is filled with a lot of "ATA: abnormal status 0x80 on port 0x000109f7". Can I find out when the kernel said this? I'm not sure it's related to our problem at hand at all |
| 06:31.00 | cahoot | artagnon, sorry this is way above me |
| 06:31.12 | parsek_77 | hark: when i do ifconfig it says link cap: ethernet for wireless, is it correct? but it shows it with iwconfig |
| 06:31.31 | artagnon | cahoot: Okay, thanks for your help. I'll keep trying |
| 06:33.43 | hark | parsek_77: that's fine |
| 06:34.18 | parsek_77 | hark: and it can scan iwlist eth2 scanning |
| 06:35.18 | aeshyamae | stew:Done that http://pastebin.ca/567974 |
| 06:35.27 | aeshyamae | i mean strace with -f |
| 06:35.34 | hark | parsek_77: yeah, the card's been detected.. al that's good |
| 06:36.30 | hark | parsek_77: /etc/init.d/dbus restart and see if it shows up then |
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| 06:39.17 | aeshyamae | stew:its a clueless problem so i should restart the process from deleting the contents of usb or from recreating the partitions? |
| 06:40.48 | koojoo | /j chat |
| 06:41.21 | parsek_77 | hark: nope :( |
| 06:41.21 | stew | aeshyamae: i dunno |
| 06:41.26 | aeshyamae | :( |
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| 06:42.11 | aeshyamae | stew:so cant solve this?:(( |
| 06:42.24 | tralala | ls |
| 06:42.53 | hark | parsek_77: hmm, does knetworkmanager have any options to enable wirless/wired... maybe it's turned off? |
| 06:42.58 | stew | aeshyamae: i dunno |
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| 06:44.14 | artagnon | cahoot: The problem was solved. I just thought you should know for helping me how it was done. We were looking in the wrong place. The lsmod usage column read 1 for my sound module. I rebooted and everything's fine now :) |
| 06:44.49 | parsek_77 | hark: there is disbale wireless thing |
| 06:45.24 | sparr | I have a Gigabyte GA-M61PM-S2 motherboard with onboard audio. Manual says Realtek ALC883 chip. LSPCI says "nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio". lsmod says I am using snd_hda_intel. Audio in most OSS games has static/clicking/popping. Help? |
| 06:45.38 | aeshyamae | stew:okok it was great talking to you.thanks a lottt for your time it was a great experience:)in return i can say tht i will also volunteer the chat session as i become an expert:) |
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| 06:46.52 | rahul | why was penix in here the other night? |
| 06:47.08 | rahul | just for old times' sake? |
| 06:49.32 | Danielss89 | is there a way of getting all the 20 cd's from here: http://mirrors.telianet.dk/pub/mirrors/cdimage.debian.org/4.0_r0/amd64/iso-cd/ without wget'ing each one |
| 06:49.57 | sparr | yes |
| 06:50.16 | stew | Danielss89: why do you want all 20 cds? |
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| 06:50.25 | stew | Danielss89: which stuff from cd18 do you need? |
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| 06:50.48 | sparr | wget -r -l 1 http://mirrors.telianet.dk/pub/mirrors/cdimage.debian.org/4.0_r0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 06:50.54 | Danielss89 | hehe i dont know stew i just thougt all of them was needed for installing |
| 06:51.03 | sparr | no, you only need disc 1 |
| 06:51.11 | Danielss89 | nice |
| 06:51.16 | sparr | the rest have increasingly-less popular packages |
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| 06:51.31 | krazykit | actually, you can get away with the business card image if you really want |
| 06:51.31 | Danielss89 | ok |
| 06:51.31 | erpo | I need a user-friendly backup solution for Linux. I am not interested in using tar from the command line. Any suggestions? Also, I would like to know if there are any tools out there that are like partimage, but are updated more frequently. |
| 06:51.39 | stew | Danielss89: no, only disk one or a 150 meg "netinst" cd |
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| 06:51.53 | stew | (provided you can get on the internet with a standard debian kernel) |
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| 06:56.08 | Kevin` | tetsuOS would it be better to die knowing? ;) |
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| 07:01.04 | lymeca | Okay VLC's fullscreen is broken for me... sid and latest version 0.8.6a. The video doesn't cover the KDE panel when I fullscreen. |
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| 07:01.21 | lymeca | There's a bug filed in 2004 about this...has it truly not been resolved? |
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| 07:02.36 | amphi | lymeca: mplayer FTW ;) |
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| 07:11.02 | lymeca | I installed the debian-multimedia-keyring package but I still get GPG errors about debian-multimedia repository packages |
| 07:11.12 | jetscreamer | apt-get update |
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| 07:16.32 | lymeca | jetscreamer: d'oh |
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| 07:19.03 | szymon_g | hi |
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| 07:19.28 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 07:19.33 | gypsymauro | there is a way to disable a key in xorg? |
| 07:19.38 | gypsymauro | (f11 for example) |
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| 07:22.03 | szymon_g | ekhm.. how stable is Lenny ? i mean : is it stable enough for desktop for someone who is not a linux-geek? |
| 07:22.24 | szymon_g | or is it better to stay with Etch? |
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| 07:23.20 | fireba11 | gypsymauro: you could remove it from keymap but i doubt that's a good idea |
| 07:23.37 | fireba11 | szymon_g: stick to etch |
| 07:24.02 | szymon_g | thanks :P |
| 07:24.11 | gypsymauro | fireba11: why not? I'm doing a internet kiosk so isn't so bad to disable a key:) |
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| 07:25.51 | f00li5h | jetscreamer: newer mysqls do have an introspection schema |
| 07:25.59 | f00li5h | jetscreamer: never mind |
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| 07:52.05 | PietroGiovanni | gnite |
| 07:52.15 | dimir | Moin. |
| 07:53.19 | PietroGiovanni | im getting an error message from nvidia driver on debian lenny (netinst) |
| 07:53.31 | PietroGiovanni | driver needs kernel source |
| 07:53.43 | PietroGiovanni | but i dont know the package name |
| 07:53.53 | PietroGiovanni | kernel-source aint enough |
| 07:54.15 | dimir | apt-get source your-kernel-package. |
| 07:54.51 | PietroGiovanni | just that? |
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| 07:55.45 | dimir | in fact, you can: cd /usr/src && apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) |
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| 07:58.32 | GhostlyDeath_ | What do I need to execute JAR files? |
| 07:58.44 | knobo | I get ip-address and dns server from dhcp, but I want to add extra search path to resolve.conf that should not be overwritten at boot, how do I do that (on debian)? |
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| 07:59.06 | dimir | GhostlyDeath_: java or something. |
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| 07:59.13 | tonsofpcs | GhostlyDeath_: java |
| 07:59.18 | tonsofpcs | java -jar [jarfile] |
| 07:59.33 | GhostlyDeath_ | I know JAR is for Java, but what are good JVMs? |
| 07:59.47 | dimir | SUNs. |
| 07:59.50 | PietroGiovanni | java virtual machine? |
| 08:00.10 | dimir | In case you really mean "good" when talking about Java. |
| 08:00.17 | endra | sun-java5-bin |
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| 08:01.08 | mrynit | tonsofpcs, what do you need with java? |
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| 08:01.15 | dfranke | anyone know of an emacs22 backport for etch that supports AMD64? I've found a couple but they seem to be x86-only. |
| 08:01.32 | endra | once you install that, do update-alternatives --config java, then select your jdk/jre (so that it will point the 'java' command to sun's, and not gnu's) |
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| 08:01.53 | GhostlyDeath_ | is GNU on the etch CDs? |
| 08:01.56 | GhostlyDeath_ | err DVDs* |
| 08:02.13 | Dewi | guys... how is it that my mem+swap "used" is only 764MB, while java's VIRT column says 898m? |
| 08:02.13 | endra | GhostlyDeath_: what do you mean |
| 08:02.21 | EdwardElric | im stumped...im trying to get this process to "screen", and when i type the command it instantly says: [screen is terminating] |
| 08:02.24 | PietroGiovanni | dimir source is 40mb big... is that right? |
| 08:02.30 | dimir | Yes, RMS is digitalized and put onto the CD. |
| 08:02.32 | Dewi | GhostlyDeath_: GNU is an entire category of software |
| 08:02.44 | EdwardElric | any ideas? |
| 08:02.53 | endra | EdwardElric: maybe you are already in a screen? |
| 08:02.56 | GhostlyDeath_ | endra: Is the GNU version of the JVM in the Debian DVDs? |
| 08:03.00 | EdwardElric | nope |
| 08:03.12 | EdwardElric | new ssh session to make sure heh |
| 08:03.18 | dimir | petro: ye. |
| 08:03.20 | endra | GhostlyDeath_: not sure, but i don't like the gnu version, and suns version isnt on afaik |
| 08:03.23 | dimir | PietroGiovanni too |
| 08:03.35 | Dewi | EdwardElric: check your ~/.screenrc file |
| 08:04.41 | EdwardElric | anything particular? |
| 08:04.55 | EdwardElric | i dont even have a .screenrc file |
| 08:05.06 | EdwardElric | ive never needed one before... |
| 08:05.20 | EdwardElric | its only this one process that i have the problem with |
| 08:05.39 | EdwardElric | i guess it doesnt get along with screen |
| 08:06.06 | EdwardElric | dan@server1:~$ screen ./murmur |
| 08:06.06 | EdwardElric | [screen is terminating] |
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| 08:06.34 | Dewi | EdwardElric: so start screen first |
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| 08:07.05 | Dewi | EdwardElric: you don |
| 08:07.10 | Dewi | EdwardElric: you don't "screen a program" |
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| 08:07.31 | EdwardElric | i have before |
| 08:07.38 | mrynit | i need to move my install partion to a different partion on my harddrive. i know how to do the partioning but do i need to change any system files so debian will boot? |
| 08:07.40 | EdwardElric | sc for example |
| 08:07.53 | Dewi | EdwardElric: if you start screen with a program as parameter, then screen will terminate the instant that program does |
| 08:07.57 | Dewi | EdwardElric: is that what you want here? |
| 08:07.59 | EdwardElric | usually i do screen -d -m ./sc_serv |
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| 08:08.22 | EdwardElric | what i want is to be able to use it in a startup script too |
| 08:08.37 | EdwardElric | so if i reboot, itll start back up screened |
| 08:09.02 | Dewi | EdwardElric: the point is that I bet murmur is terminating |
| 08:09.16 | Dewi | EdwardElric: and you can't read any message coming back because the screen is terminating too |
| 08:09.27 | Dewi | EdwardElric: just run bash until you know what you're doing |
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| 08:10.12 | Dewi | EdwardElric: by running it directly you are removing any possibility of ever reading the error message |
| 08:10.25 | EdwardElric | it worked fine when i ran screen, and then started murmur, and detacted |
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| 08:10.38 | EdwardElric | but i cant start it detacted |
| 08:10.58 | Dewi | EdwardElric: maybe it needs to be in a shell |
| 08:11.07 | EdwardElric | i think you might be right |
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| 08:11.11 | Dewi | EdwardElric: tried screen bash -c './murmur' ? |
| 08:11.19 | EdwardElric | next step ;) |
| 08:12.19 | EdwardElric | dan@server1:~$ screen bash -c './murmur' |
| 08:12.19 | EdwardElric | [screen is terminating] |
| 08:12.23 | EdwardElric | hrm |
| 08:12.35 | Dewi | EdwardElric: I can't run *anything* when I do it that way |
| 08:13.16 | EdwardElric | screen ftp |
| 08:13.54 | Dewi | hmm |
| 08:14.00 | EdwardElric | well, i dont use screen extensively..but this is the first time ive had a problem with it not working like that |
| 08:14.01 | Dewi | I still think murmur must be terminating early |
| 08:14.18 | EdwardElric | i tried with -L, it isnt outputing anything |
| 08:14.53 | Xires | is it possible to search for packages that install specific system users? |
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| 08:16.32 | Dewi | EdwardElric: I wonder if there is some way to make bash execute something and then wait for further commands... I can't see one in the manual |
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| 08:17.40 | Supaplex | Xires: is it already installed? |
| 08:17.43 | unknow990 | I want yo upgrade my RT installation. First step is "make upgrade" how?? |
| 08:17.49 | Xires | Supaplex; yes |
| 08:18.10 | Xires | I'd like to know what package(s) install the 'irc' user |
| 08:18.17 | Supaplex | Xires: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ might know. |
| 08:18.29 | Xires | as I'm guessing that'll tell me what makes use of them |
| 08:18.32 | Xires | tyvm Supaplex |
| 08:18.42 | Xires | btw, great nick |
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| 08:19.38 | Supaplex | those are all the install scripts. |
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| 08:20.20 | unknow990 | can anybody help me to upgrade RT |
| 08:20.38 | Dewi | Xires: I don't think irc is installed by a package |
| 08:20.55 | Dewi | Xires: packages aren't meant to add users with such low UIDs anyway |
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| 08:21.13 | Dewi | Xires: but both the machines here have that user... |
| 08:21.14 | EdwardElric | yea, thats probably gonna have to be the way to do it |
| 08:21.22 | EdwardElric | if thats possible |
| 08:21.38 | EdwardElric | i cant seem to find anything like that either though |
| 08:21.59 | Xires | Dewi; figured it was a core package that installed it and that other packages that make use of the user would probably atleast make a check to ensure the user existed |
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| 08:22.08 | Dewi | Xires: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2.2 |
| 08:22.11 | Xires | if not add it themselves |
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| 08:23.13 | Dewi | Xires: let me put it this way... I really can't think of any package on my web dev server that would need a used called 'irc' |
| 08:23.39 | Xires | tyvm for the useful information..still, I would like to know what packages would make use of the user & how they do so..is there a way to get that info remotely? |
| 08:23.49 | unknow990 | why dont "make upgrade" command work for me? |
| 08:24.43 | Dewi | Xires: well, if the core (or something close to it) owns the user, then a package is probably going to have an explicit dependancy on that package, not on "a user" |
| 08:24.45 | Xires | unknow990; what's 'RT'? and have you checked the makefile? some things require a ./configure to generate the makefile |
| 08:25.03 | unknow990 | Xires, RT is request tracker. |
| 08:25.22 | Dewi | Xires: but such a lot of things will depend on such core stuff, that's not going to narrow it down |
| 08:25.24 | metbsd | rt is not that great anyway |
| 08:25.27 | unknow990 | Xires, I have guide to upgrade RT the first step is "make upgrade" |
| 08:25.31 | Xires | Dewi; understood..I'm just basically looking for a method to search for user dependency within packages |
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| 08:25.49 | unknow990 | Xires, but if I type "make upgrade" |
| 08:26.19 | Dewi | Xires: yeah. well, I'm a hell of a long way from being a dpkg or core expert, but I don't think that's something likely to be independently tracked |
| 08:26.50 | Dewi | Xires: and as I say, if I've got it on this simple apache/PHP server, just about everyone will |
| 08:27.19 | Dewi | Xires: so it's probably a piece of the furniture, so to speak |
| 08:27.19 | unknow990 | Xires, I got noting |
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| 08:27.38 | Dewi | Xires: grep the entire debian source? :P |
| 08:27.46 | Xires | Dewi; ci..just looking to see if anyone can point me to some method they already know of..perhaps a list of Debian system users & what packages use them |
| 08:27.53 | Xires | heh..there's an idea |
| 08:28.17 | Xires | unknow990; this a source package or what? |
| 08:28.21 | Dewi | Xires: google is good at these kinds of associate problems... but googling irc is going to be tough to filter |
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| 08:28.31 | Dewi | associative, even |
| 08:28.55 | Xires | Dewi; hence the simultaneous google & wiki searches + asking here for quick pointers ;-P |
| 08:29.13 | dfranke | is there a way to tell dpkg-buildpackage to use a parallel make? |
| 08:29.17 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.19 | dfranke | seven of my cores are bored. |
| 08:29.21 | unknow990 | Xires, its a tar.gz file |
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| 08:29.43 | Xires | unknow990; can you point me to the download? |
| 08:29.48 | Xires | Supaplex; funny |
| 08:29.55 | Supaplex | =) |
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| 08:30.09 | unknow990 | Xires, http://bestpractical.com/rt/download.html |
| 08:30.13 | dfranke | I know you can set $CONCURRENCY_LEVEL for the kernel, but that doesn't seem to work for other packages. |
| 08:30.16 | Dewi | anyone know of some kind of recursive web spider tool suitable for really custom tasks? For example, I'd love to know what "Content-Type" and meta http-equiv content types every page on my site uses.... |
| 08:30.24 | Supaplex | but RT is already debian packaged. |
| 08:30.39 | Arafangion | Dewi: It's called "A scripting language of your choice". |
| 08:30.54 | Supaplex | Dewi: you could just customlog that from apache. |
| 08:30.57 | Dewi | Arafangion: web spidering doesn't seem trivial. I don't want to parse tag soup |
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| 08:31.16 | unknow990 | supaplex, but not version 3.6.3 |
| 08:31.28 | Arafangion | Dewi: Simple reg-exp matching should be sufficient, url's have a fairly conventional form. |
| 08:31.33 | Supaplex | unknow990: why is that version so important? |
| 08:31.41 | piti | Hi. I have some trouble with usb permissions. I have readen this page http://www.gphoto.org/doc/manual/permissions-usb.html#usb-on-linux-udev , but I don't understand how I can do . I think that's because I have made my own kernel(2.6.22), but other usb devices are ok. I don't know how to fix the right permissions (my aim is to make gphoto working with usb). thanks |
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| 08:31.53 | unknow990 | maybe there is security bugs on my version 3.6.1 |
| 08:32.00 | Supaplex | Arafangion: regexs are a common pitfall where a parser should be used instead. |
| 08:32.06 | Dewi | Arafangion: relative URLs don't |
| 08:32.17 | Dewi | Arafangion: and there's umpteen border cases |
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| 08:32.40 | Xires | Dewi; I suggest looking for a validator script of some sort..it'll probably point you in the right direction..I know a few that can check an entire site tree to check for validation errors(including broken links)..something like this in Perl or Python would give you a great toolset for what you need |
| 08:32.51 | Supaplex | unknow990: maybe? debian takes care of those. the version number won't match the upstream though. |
| 08:32.53 | Arafangion | Supaplex: Normally, yes, but in the case of a web spider, it's a good solution. |
| 08:32.57 | Dewi | Xires: there probably is a perl module for this |
| 08:32.58 | Xires | unknow990; I'm grabbing the package now..hold please |
| 08:33.06 | unknow990 | Xires, ok |
| 08:33.26 | Arafangion | Supaplex: Unless you want to parse html and embed a javascript interpreter? |
| 08:33.32 | Dewi | Xires: whether there is one that doesn't suck is another question :P |
| 08:33.43 | Supaplex | Arafangion: in the case of html, regexs are a very common pitfall. I'm not arguing just to be right, I've seen it happen by experience for some time now. |
| 08:34.08 | Supaplex | perl can do it. http://search.cpan.org/ search for html and parse. |
| 08:34.41 | Arafangion | Supaplex: Usually the problem becomes a problem of (1) Not really understanding regexps, and (2) Trying to do too much with regexps. |
| 08:34.46 | Arafangion | Supaplex: Usually the later. |
| 08:34.47 | Dewi | I think I'm really overengineering this problem. It's just that this site I run seems to use 3 or 4 slightly different charsets. |
| 08:34.51 | Dewi | and it's annoying me quite a lot. |
| 08:35.07 | Arafangion | Dewi: Not bad, only 4? |
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| 08:35.12 | Xires | Dewi; which is why I suggested looking for scripts that perform validation services..they'll help you find the modules & filter your choices |
| 08:35.31 | Dewi | Xires: yeah. thanks. |
| 08:35.39 | Supaplex | Dewi: apache can custom log any header you want, along with the url requested. is that all you need? |
| 08:35.49 | Xires | Dewi; just returning the favor |
| 08:36.00 | Dewi | it's 7pm Friday night... everything seems a bit daunting, so excuse my pessimistic tone :) |
| 08:36.55 | Dewi | Supaplex: the server isn't actually apache. |
| 08:36.57 | Staz | Hi, say there's a particular file I am looking for. eg : <something>.h how can I find which package includes it? |
| 08:37.18 | Supaplex | Dewi: oh fun. what is it? |
| 08:37.31 | Dewi | Supaplex: IIS. It's a bunch of legacy ASP that's not being at all consistent about encoding. |
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| 08:37.34 | Supaplex | !tell Staz -about apt-file |
| 08:37.48 | Staz | thanks very much |
| 08:37.51 | Dewi | Supaplex: what's worse is that I think a lot of the pages probably don't specify an encoding which means IE will assume CP1252 and everything else Latin1 |
| 08:37.55 | Supaplex | Dewi: can't say I envy IIS. :) |
| 08:37.59 | unknow990 | Xires, done? |
| 08:38.04 | Xires | unknow990; did you read the UPGRADING file like the README file said? |
| 08:38.05 | plasmab_ | When dpkg-buildpackage building freeraidus i get /usr/bin/dpatch: line 8: set: pipefail: invalid option name |
| 08:38.08 | plasmab_ | ideas? |
| 08:38.15 | unknow990 | Xires, I have read it |
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| 08:38.36 | unknow990 | Xires, first step for upgrading is "make upgrade" is that right? |
| 08:38.42 | PietroGiovanni | dimir its not what nvidia needs |
| 08:38.42 | Xires | unknow990; okay..no |
| 08:38.46 | Supaplex | plasmab_: bugs.debian.org/freeradius - file a FTBFS but with reportbug if you can reproduce it. (or if you can fix it to) |
| 08:38.49 | unknow990 | Xires, ok? |
| 08:38.59 | PietroGiovanni | "precompiled kernel headers not found" |
| 08:39.09 | Xires | quick lesson on general *nix software source packages..if "configure" script is provided..it's almost always a first step |
| 08:39.19 | plasmab_ | Supaplex: semems to be a dpatch problem. since it works in unstable |
| 08:39.38 | Xires | run the configure script in the appropriate manner as though you were to create a new installation..this lets you specify installation directories, etc. |
| 08:40.14 | Supaplex | plasmab_: humm. btw, do you know how to enable the freeradius-postgresql package durring build? I was going to look into that. |
| 08:40.16 | Xires | then the configure script will generate an appropriate Makefile for you..which will provide you access to the 'upgrade' target for the 'make' command |
| 08:41.07 | plasmab_ | Supaplex: it seemed to bulld for me... have you got all the postgresql-X.x-dev stuff installed? |
| 08:41.25 | plasmab_ | (naming might be out si |
| 08:41.34 | plasmab_ | since it changed recently) |
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| 08:42.00 | Supaplex | plasmab_: I checked bts, and it's "won't fix" c/o DFSG. eg, blame openssl-dev or something. |
| 08:42.15 | Supaplex | well, I checked like ... 3 weeks ago. |
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| 08:43.11 | plasmab_ | ah |
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| 08:43.27 | plasmab_ | Supaplex: install libssl-dev and then dpkg-buildpackage -d |
| 08:43.46 | plasmab_ | i dont know if it works but it built it |
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| 08:44.57 | metbsd | hehe i'm on qnx |
| 08:45.24 | stew | i need to get my qnx machine running again |
| 08:45.24 | Supaplex | plasmab_: humm. worth a shot. |
| 08:45.35 | metbsd | it has mozilla and shit |
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| 09:03.02 | Supaplex | !seen all |
| 09:03.02 | dpkg | all <n=isaac@cpe-071-077-044-227.nc.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 272d 12h 43m 58s ago, saying: 'hey'. |
| 09:03.02 | Jerom | Haven't Seen all |
| 09:03.17 | petemc | !test |
| 09:03.17 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 09:03.36 | Supaplex | petemc is a failure. *sniff* how will we ever get by? |
| 09:03.52 | petemc | :( |
| 09:04.01 | Supaplex | !test |
| 09:04.01 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 09:04.15 | Supaplex | !comfort petemc |
| 09:04.15 | dpkg | There, there, petemc. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 09:04.18 | petemc | safety in numbers |
| 09:04.24 | Supaplex | :-D |
| 09:04.33 | Supaplex | somtin' like that. |
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| 09:06.50 | qiyong | hi all, where to store the route info? |
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| 09:07.34 | Supaplex | qiyong: man 5 interfaces |
| 09:07.35 | GDG | hello |
| 09:07.46 | GDG | I'm installing Debian 4.0 |
| 09:07.53 | qiyong | Supaplex, is it stored in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 09:08.20 | qiyong | Supaplex, man interfaces doesn't contains route keyword |
| 09:08.22 | stew | qiyong: you are wanting to add a some static route other than the default route? |
| 09:08.25 | qiyong | !route |
| 09:08.25 | dpkg | ask me about 'static route' |
| 09:08.34 | qiyong | !static route |
| 09:08.34 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up route add -net ...." in the appropriate interface's stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:08.36 | qiyong | stew, yes |
| 09:08.39 | Supaplex | qiyong: for static addresses, yes. dhcp should provide those otherwise. or, you can use the route command by hand with post-up entries if you're doing something special. |
| 09:09.07 | stew | qiyong: use "up route add -net...." or "up ip route add..." in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:09.13 | GDG | I have choosen to install only non graphical tools, but now I will install Gnome, if I do 'aptitude install gnome' it ask me 900 MB of space on HD, how can I reduce the number of packages to install?' |
| 09:09.20 | qiyong | stew, why that is not in the manpage? |
| 09:09.23 | qiyong | Supaplex, ^ |
| 09:09.25 | metbsd | anyone know the wm/de qnx is using by default? |
| 09:09.29 | Supaplex | !gnome |
| 09:09.29 | dpkg | gnome is probably a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
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| 09:10.17 | stew | qiyong: "up" and "post-up" are documented in the manpage, and they are documented in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 09:10.23 | Supaplex | qiyong: post-up is. the sort, grep, and head man pages won't list every possible use. that's what you're head's for. |
| 09:11.02 | qiyong | Supaplex, which place to choose? interfaces or the subdir? |
| 09:11.06 | qiyong | stew, ^ |
| 09:11.09 | stew | qiyong: if you think this specific use case should be documented in the manpage, plesae submit a patch as a wishlist bug against ifupdown using reportbug: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 09:11.21 | stew | qiyong: interfaces |
| 09:11.54 | stew | metbsd: debian doesn't support qnx |
| 09:12.02 | Supaplex | !qnx |
| 09:12.02 | dpkg | methinks qnx is a hard real-time OS | http://www.qnx.com | microkernel | non-free | POSIX compliant | free as in beer for non-commercial use | player in the field since teh 80s | neutrino is the kernel | momentics is the non-commercial livecd you can install too | voyager is the browser | photon is the microwindowing system | qnx4fs is the ordered-write FS, plan9 style = everything is a file |
| 09:12.16 | qiyong | stew, unless i know the maintainer will take the patch |
| 09:12.54 | Supaplex | !sucks |
| 09:12.54 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 09:13.09 | stew | qiyong: eh? |
| 09:13.37 | Supaplex | a double minded man is unstable in all his ways. |
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| 09:17.06 | deadcat | is x broken in sid? |
| 09:17.21 | stew | deadcat: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 09:18.50 | Supaplex | !btssmite deadcat |
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| 09:21.06 | amaache_ | Hi all: how to start the xwindow from tty mode? |
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| 09:21.19 | deadcat | too lazy for bts. i just figure someone would know right away |
| 09:21.23 | Supaplex | startx |
| 09:21.31 | sep | amaache_, restart your display manager if you have one installed, or startx |
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| 09:27.03 | amaache_ | thank's Supaplex, sep |
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| 09:27.27 | Supaplex | it was a toughie. ;) |
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| 09:29.44 | PietroGiovanni | hello |
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| 09:30.10 | PietroGiovanni | i need to recompile my kernel and also configure grub to boot new kernel version |
| 09:30.31 | PietroGiovanni | anyone? |
| 09:30.44 | metbsd | ok i approved |
| 09:31.05 | PietroGiovanni | metbsd u talkin to me? |
| 09:31.14 | metbsd | yah |
| 09:31.23 | Supaplex | don't let us stop you |
| 09:31.39 | PietroGiovanni | thanks for the humour... |
| 09:31.46 | PietroGiovanni | id do it if i knew how to do it |
| 09:31.50 | PietroGiovanni | i hate nvidia |
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| 09:32.32 | Supaplex | PietroGiovanni: stop-gap question. why recompile the kernel, what's wrong with the debian stock one? |
| 09:32.33 | metbsd | start reading today, PietroGiovanni |
| 09:32.34 | SteveC | How do I configure extra IP addresses on eth0 ? |
| 09:32.57 | Supaplex | SteveC: man 5 interfaces. eth0:1 eth0:2 is ip-aliasing. |
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| 09:33.17 | hark | PietroGiovanni: no you don't |
| 09:33.30 | PietroGiovanni | Supaplex the problem seems to be that my headers are a newer version than my compiled stuff, and for that reason nvidia driver is being a bitch and i see letters the size of my head in the screen |
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| 09:34.12 | plasmab_ | Supaplex: did you get anywhere? |
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| 09:35.48 | PietroGiovanni | recompile is what google tells... i personally think its like killing a flea with superman on a stick |
| 09:35.56 | Supaplex | !nvidia |
| 09:35.57 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 09:36.00 | hark | PietroGiovanni: need to |
| 09:36.22 | Supaplex | PietroGiovanni: recompiling is overrated. |
| 09:36.37 | Supaplex | !gentosmite PietroGiovanni |
| 09:36.54 | Supaplex | !gentoosmite PietroGiovanni |
| 09:36.58 | liable | !typosmite Supaplex |
| 09:37.09 | Supaplex | more like sleepy smite. |
| 09:37.56 | dargor | hey, if i have pppoatm compiled into my kernel fully(not module) should `modprobe pppoatm` fail |
| 09:38.17 | TurboBee | i think so |
| 09:38.21 | TurboBee | modprobe is for modules |
| 09:38.24 | plasmab_ | Supaplex: cool.. i seem to have worked round my dpatch problem |
| 09:38.25 | dargor | yea, |
| 09:38.34 | Supaplex | plasmab_: oh that. 1m. |
| 09:38.37 | PietroGiovanni | i see ur point guys |
| 09:38.51 | PietroGiovanni | im reading the wiki, i hope it works |
| 09:38.55 | Supaplex | plasmab_: bleh. :P dh_testroot: You must run this as root (or use fakeroot). |
| 09:39.22 | dargor | turbobee, i'm tring to get a adsl modem working, i think ill remove that modprobe from the start script. |
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| 09:39.47 | TurboBee | dargor is that stopping the script at all? |
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| 09:40.13 | dargor | i dont think so, but some strange things are happening |
| 09:40.28 | TurboBee | like? |
| 09:40.29 | Supaplex | what's dpkg-buildpackage -d suppose to do different than w/o -d anyway? The man page suggests you supply things after it. No diff? |
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| 09:40.55 | TurboBee | omg |
| 09:40.58 | TurboBee | etch is now stable? |
| 09:40.59 | TurboBee | O_O |
| 09:41.11 | TurboBee | how long has this been going on for |
| 09:41.16 | Supaplex | TurboBee: yea, potato was released long time ago. |
| 09:41.16 | TurboBee | lol |
| 09:41.23 | TurboBee | potato eh? |
| 09:41.26 | TurboBee | is it pretty badass? |
| 09:41.29 | Supaplex | !potato |
| 09:41.29 | dpkg | it has been said that potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground, or you can still get an older release of this at http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ |
| 09:41.34 | Supaplex | !etch |
| 09:41.35 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 09:41.41 | hark | !when will potato be done |
| 09:41.41 | dpkg | potato will be done when it's done. |
| 09:41.43 | TurboBee | haha |
| 09:41.50 | ogamiitto | I'm having a problem setting replication on debian etch, i can set replication up with CHANGE MASTER TO but mysql does not load the configuration from /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 09:41.56 | ogamiitto | any clues? |
| 09:41.58 | Supaplex | potato will be done when the buzzer goes off. |
| 09:42.04 | PietroGiovanni | !nvidia one-liner |
| 09:42.04 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 09:42.57 | TurboBee | neato skeeto |
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| 09:44.14 | Sebboh | What |
| 09:44.39 | Supaplex | ogamiitto: did you try a complete restart of mysql? reload might be too little. |
| 09:45.15 | Sebboh | What's the word on 'freenx'? There are directions on wiki.debian.org that tell me how to get it from an unoffical repos. ..Why isn't it in Debian? |
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| 09:45.34 | Supaplex | !why isn't freenx in sid |
| 09:45.58 | PietroGiovanni | i feel like shooting myself |
| 09:45.59 | Supaplex | I give up. why? |
| 09:46.01 | azeem_ | Supaplex: that won't work |
| 09:46.04 | liable | it only does it for testing |
| 09:46.05 | TurboBee | !sid |
| 09:46.05 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 09:46.06 | PietroGiovanni | there's always something missing |
| 09:46.08 | SteveC | Supaplex: I'm struggling to understand how to go from a single IP to multiple - can I keep eth0 and add eth:1 and eth:2 ? |
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| 09:46.22 | Supaplex | SteveC: yes. |
| 09:46.35 | TurboBee | !unstable |
| 09:46.36 | dpkg | unstable is, like, the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
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| 09:47.05 | TurboBee | !testing |
| 09:47.06 | dpkg | from memory, testing is a release/suite between stable and unstable. testing currently points to lenny. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 09:47.16 | Sebboh | Uh, does the bot know something about freenx? |
| 09:47.22 | TurboBee | !lenny |
| 09:47.22 | dpkg | somebody said lenny was the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 09:47.28 | liable | TurboBee: stop spamming the channel |
| 09:47.29 | PietroGiovanni | !why nvidia sucks |
| 09:47.39 | TurboBee | sorry |
| 09:47.43 | TurboBee | i was curious about all those things |
| 09:47.46 | Sebboh | guys you can msg the bot, or open a query window to it. |
| 09:47.49 | PietroGiovanni | !nvidia one-liner |
| 09:47.49 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 09:47.50 | Supaplex | TurboBee: /query dpkg |
| 09:47.53 | liable | TurboBee: you can /msg it |
| 09:47.53 | TurboBee | k |
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| 09:48.16 | xand | !tell Supaplex about nx |
| 09:48.36 | xand | Supaplex: dpkg says it's "partially non free" which is probably why. |
| 09:48.37 | ogamiitto | Supaplex, yes, but it's more strange because i've restarted mysql after running the CHANGE MASTER TO and replication still worked |
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| 09:49.03 | phretor | hi there |
| 09:49.10 | phretor | have you ever heard about the /proc/audit file? |
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| 09:55.30 | cast | cat: /proc/audit: No such file or directory |
| 09:55.32 | cast | nope. |
| 09:55.40 | naught101 | anyone know what "C" means next to a package name in aptitude? (where i=installed, p=purged) |
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| 09:56.02 | spheard | !named |
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| 09:56.42 | spheard | :-/ how do I start the bind daemon |
| 09:57.16 | petemc | spheard: /etc/init.d/bind9 start |
| 09:57.25 | liable | naught101: configs |
| 09:57.44 | liable | naught101: usually removed, configs remain |
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| 09:58.44 | naught101 | liable: thanks |
| 09:58.48 | spheard | petemc :-) thanks, got a fail tho :-( |
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| 10:01.27 | spheard | I cant get bind started due to some permission problem with rndc.key? I think it starts okay on boot. any ideas http://rafb.net/p/gmdWhT86.html |
| 10:01.37 | spheard | daemon.log^ |
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| 10:02.29 | Smiley | hey guys. when using the interfaces file (/etc/network/interfaces) and i can enter my wireless-key.... i can see many examples of what to put if my key is hex, but what if its ascii ? |
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| 10:02.46 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there a cli tool to convert utf8 text files to iso8859-1? |
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| 10:04.32 | Staz | My apt-file is finding hardly anything I want. ANy tips to fix this? |
| 10:04.41 | cast | apt-file update |
| 10:04.47 | Staz | did that |
| 10:04.48 | Arafangion | Staz: What do you eant? |
| 10:04.49 | Arafangion | *want |
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| 10:04.57 | Staz | for example I did 'xpm.h' |
| 10:04.59 | cast | so what is it finding? |
| 10:05.18 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.21 | cast | 12 |
| 10:05.24 | cydork | Smiley: something like wireless-key s:password |
| 10:05.26 | Staz | What do your /var/cache/apt/apt-file/ dirs look like? |
| 10:05.38 | Staz | yeah that's how it should be :) |
| 10:06.09 | Staz | cast : it's finding absolutely nothing |
| 10:06.39 | cast | do you have deb-src in your sources.list? |
| 10:06.50 | Smiley | thanks cydork, i thought that but wanted to check ;) I have one other thing, i've come from gentoo, using ubuntu, but im clever enough to know its just a pretty debian..... Does debian have something somewhere to explain the /apt/sources.list to me? |
| 10:06.53 | Staz | cast : yes |
| 10:06.54 | spheard | -rw-r--r-- whats the chmod for this? |
| 10:07.04 | Arafangion | Smiley: Haha. |
| 10:07.07 | cast | spheard: man chmod, its easy. |
| 10:07.16 | Arafangion | Smiley: Ask #ubuntu |
| 10:07.17 | norc | spheard: 644 |
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| 10:07.30 | norc | (in octal) |
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| 10:07.39 | Smiley | Arafangion: you've never been in there right? |
| 10:07.52 | Arafangion | Smiley: It's one of the reasons why I run Debian, not Ubuntu :) |
| 10:07.57 | Smiley | its terrible, i asked why my standby didn't work and some guy told me to hit the right button |
| 10:08.07 | Smiley | Arafangion: hahah, i didn't have a debian cd :/ |
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| 10:08.18 | spheard | norc thanks |
| 10:08.29 | cydork | Smiley: you are running ubuntu?? |
| 10:08.40 | TurboBee | *gasp* |
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| 10:09.00 | Arafangion | Smiley: I'd help you, but it's explicitly off topic. :( |
| 10:09.23 | Arafangion | Smiley: We barely support Sid, as it is. |
| 10:09.36 | TurboBee | is sid worth trying |
| 10:09.45 | cydork | !sid faq |
| 10:09.45 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 10:09.49 | Arafangion | TurboBee: If you have to ask, then no. |
| 10:10.02 | TurboBee | i was always told to use Etch when it was in testing because it had a lot to offer |
| 10:10.43 | Smiley | hum ok thanks Arafangion, i just want to understand how the sources file works.... does it change that much between revisions? |
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| 10:10.53 | Arafangion | TurboBee: Well, testing eventually becomes stable. |
| 10:11.17 | Arafangion | Smiley: No, not much. |
| 10:11.18 | TurboBee | ah |
| 10:11.23 | Sebboh | Simley, I'm pretty sure that there is a #ubuntu on this IRC network. If there isn't, there will be a link to wherever it is. |
| 10:11.26 | Arafangion | TurboBee: But Sid is always Sid. |
| 10:11.40 | TurboBee | i see |
| 10:11.51 | TurboBee | so sid never changes |
| 10:11.57 | TurboBee | it will always bad unstable |
| 10:11.58 | Arafangion | TurboBee: No, it always changes. |
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| 10:12.04 | TurboBee | thats what i meant |
| 10:12.06 | Sebboh | Smiley, man sources.list I think. |
| 10:12.13 | Smiley | Sebboh.... now thats what i want to hear :) |
| 10:12.14 | TurboBee | always changing, but never not unstable |
| 10:12.14 | Smiley | thanks |
| 10:12.16 | TurboBee | lol |
| 10:12.21 | TurboBee | double negative |
| 10:12.22 | TurboBee | confusign |
| 10:12.31 | TurboBee | but always unstable |
| 10:12.40 | TurboBee | in other words sid will enver move to testing |
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| 10:12.44 | Sebboh | Smiley, do us a favor though, don't bother #debian with #ubuntu issues. ;) Or, install debian. ;) |
| 10:13.26 | mrynit | i am going to be moving my partions around. i know how to set grub to work, but do i need to edit my fstab and how? |
| 10:13.28 | Smiley | its... not a ubuntu issue |
| 10:13.31 | Smiley | sigh |
| 10:13.39 | TurboBee | poor smiley |
| 10:13.40 | Smiley | if i dind't mention i was running ubuntu, you wouoldn't of known any different |
| 10:13.42 | cydork | Smiley: if you are using ubuntu, it is!! |
| 10:13.53 | TurboBee | LOL |
| 10:13.54 | wols_ | !topicsmite Smiley |
| 10:13.54 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Smiley. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 10:14.01 | cydork | Smiley: did you read the topic??? |
| 10:14.13 | wols_ | cydork: he's an ubunut user, why do you even ask? |
| 10:14.37 | cydork | wols_: yeah true.. |
| 10:14.38 | TurboBee | ubunut |
| 10:14.39 | TurboBee | lol |
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| 10:16.27 | nvz | mrynit: you'd have to be more specific or all anyone can tell you is man fstab |
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| 10:19.28 | mrynit | i have 3 primary partions and 1 extended with a linux and swap in it. i want to remove one primary partion. copy my extended linux parion over to the free space. after the copy i will delete the extend partion. i want to use the copied linux as my main system. i can handle the partioning with gparted. then i will have to reinstall grub |
| 10:19.58 | mrynit | all my partions will be out of order compared to my old fstab right? so i need to edit for the new partion layout |
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| 10:20.48 | cast | or use UUID/labels |
| 10:21.28 | cast | mrynit: just for future reference lvm is nice :) |
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| 10:21.40 | g00se | Is it sufficient to use mount -t nfs to mount a share or does it need exporting too? |
| 10:21.57 | jduggan | it needs exporting from the server side |
| 10:23.20 | mrynit | cast well i didnt go lvm cause i dont know about it and i have windows still on my harddrive |
| 10:23.27 | g00se | jduggan: afaicr in /etc/exports or smthg? |
| 10:23.35 | jduggan | yea |
| 10:23.51 | cast | mrynit: its well well worth reading up on :> |
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| 10:24.20 | mrynit | at this point i just want to move my paritions and make work. |
| 10:24.25 | GreaseMonkey | gonna go now, gnight |
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| 10:25.18 | g00se | jduggan: and that alone should make it visible? No need to do anything else? Edit /etc/exports then mount -t nfs ..............? |
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| 10:26.45 | wols_ | mrynit: if you do it properly, all that happens is that the primary partition won't be there anymore and the linux extended has changed its /dev node |
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| 10:27.06 | wols_ | g00se: you only need /etc/exports for the exporting nfs server. mount is run on the client |
| 10:27.33 | g00se | wols_: Glad you told me that ;-) |
| 10:27.52 | mrynit | wols_, im removing a primary first then the extended |
| 10:27.58 | wols_ | Gokee2: your questions displays a lot of confusing |
| 10:28.02 | wols_ | mrynit: so? |
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| 10:28.32 | mrynit | im not sure if my system will boot(properly) after i install grub |
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| 10:30.50 | mrynit | really my question is do i have to change the fstab or is that handled by grub? |
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| 10:31.20 | wols_ | grub never ever cares about fstab |
| 10:32.04 | cast | i don't understand why you're removing a primary then taking the extended and putting it in the freespace from the primary |
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| 10:32.25 | wols_ | cast: people are strange |
| 10:32.29 | Staz | Can someone explain to me what exactly a dev package is? |
| 10:32.52 | wols_ | Staz: header files needed to compile stuff that depends on the package |
| 10:32.52 | rsk | Staz: it contains the .h files |
| 10:32.54 | nvz | Staz: its the headers that are required to build something that uses that package |
| 10:33.14 | Staz | wow thanks :) |
| 10:33.19 | nvz | Staz: for example if foobar runs on libfoo, all I need to run it is libfoo, but to compile foobar, I would need libfoo-dev |
| 10:33.56 | Staz | that makes sense cheers |
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| 10:34.17 | mrynit | im drawing pictures for you |
| 10:34.18 | Staz | So when installing an app from source I always want the appropriate dev packages? |
| 10:34.24 | rsk | ye |
| 10:35.12 | nvz | Staz: usually (almost always) -dev packages are for libraries |
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| 10:35.43 | nvz | Staz: and in debian if you use apt to fetch the source, it gets the build dependencies automagically |
| 10:36.20 | Staz | Thats only source availabl in the repos though right? |
| 10:36.23 | nvz | Staz: but we also have packages for 3rd party source that wrap the build process and will use apt to satisfy dependencies as well |
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| 10:36.57 | nvz | Staz: basically how they work is by searching for the package that contains the headers requested by the 3rd party source |
| 10:37.03 | christianp | hi * |
| 10:37.17 | christianp | i'v nsalledmyUSBPhone on my deian etc |
| 10:37.43 | nvz | and your keyboard stopped working properly? |
| 10:37.43 | christianp | i've installed my USBPhone on my debian etch |
| 10:37.48 | christianp | :) |
| 10:37.49 | nvz | heh |
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| 10:37.56 | christianp | batteries |
| 10:38.15 | Staz | thanks again nvz |
| 10:38.18 | nvz | well, in any case.. thanks for dropping by and telling us how you are using your debian |
| 10:38.28 | nvz | not that anyone really cares :P |
| 10:38.46 | christianp | now all sounds comes from phone and not speakers |
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| 10:39.00 | nvz | heh |
| 10:39.01 | christianp | nvz, :) |
| 10:39.21 | christianp | how ca i say: i wat only skype working with usb phone? |
| 10:39.28 | nvz | sounds like the USBphone is working :P |
| 10:39.34 | christianp | yes, it is |
| 10:39.46 | christianp | but i won't |
| 10:39.48 | cast | any suggestions why sshd pauses between debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received and debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password? |
| 10:39.57 | christianp | all the sounds from the phone |
| 10:39.58 | cast | [thats ssh -v output] |
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| 10:42.04 | chronographer | Hello. i have just gone and updated to lenny, and xorg tells me that it can't load nvidia. |
| 10:42.20 | wols_ | cast: how long? |
| 10:42.24 | TurboBee | will debian run my wpc300n without the need for ndiswrappers |
| 10:42.27 | karmatronic | cast: i think that s because you tried to authenticate with a private key whose corresponding public key isnt on the server s side |
| 10:42.31 | wols_ | cast: could be ssh lacks truly ramdom data |
| 10:42.42 | wols_ | TurboBee: what chip is it? |
| 10:42.58 | nvz | chronographer: ok.. and are you running a custom kernel and 3rd party video drivers that aren't part of the debian package system? |
| 10:43.06 | chronographer | can someone help me troubleshoot the issue? I have used m-a to reinstall nvidia drivers (shoulodn't need to but it didnt work) i used dpkg-recon... and set for nv and it works, |
| 10:43.10 | wols_ | !btssmite chronographer |
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| 10:43.15 | chronographer | nope using nvidia the debian way |
| 10:43.18 | wols_ | nvz: already known bug |
| 10:43.20 | cast | wols_: i was thinking maybe it was running out of /dev/random |
| 10:43.23 | chronographer | =) |
| 10:43.24 | wols_ | just that chronographer is unfit to run lennby |
| 10:43.34 | karmatronic | chronographer: nv is the open driver |
| 10:43.51 | chronographer | i know it works, nvidia used to work, and now doesn't |
| 10:43.55 | cast | time ssh root@oldec w >>> real 0m5.225s |
| 10:43.57 | nvz | wols_: I see.. thought it might be another sad user who didn't understand the significance of a tainted system |
| 10:44.27 | Danielss89 | how do i format and mount a harddisk? |
| 10:44.27 | wols_ | chronographer: it obviously doesn't work. now go away. you got your answer alreaday |
| 10:44.27 | karmatronic | chronographer: dont get yourself mad , reinstall the nvidia driver form website and you re done |
| 10:44.46 | wols_ | karmatronic: do you know that will work? |
| 10:44.47 | nvz | Danielss89: format it with what? and have you created a partition on this hard disk yet? |
| 10:44.57 | Danielss89 | no nvz |
| 10:44.57 | karmatronic | wols_: yes |
| 10:45.11 | nvz | Danielss89: first you will need to partition the hard disk, and choose a filesystem |
| 10:45.16 | karmatronic | cast: shouldnt connect as root |
| 10:45.21 | nvz | Danielss89: how about this.. BE SPECIFIC :P |
| 10:45.32 | chronographer | that seems, rude wols... You are right, I did read that someone else had a problem but surely you can understand my want to fix it? |
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| 10:45.48 | karmatronic | cast: and if you do it using PSK, it s even more dangerous |
| 10:45.53 | Staz | nvz : With dev packages, is it just header files or is the actual library source in there too? |
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| 10:45.54 | TurboBee | wols_, I'm not sure what chip it is, its a linksys/cisco product if thats what you mean. but I don't think you meant that |
| 10:46.18 | wols_ | TurboBee: I meant exactly that: what chip is it? lspci, lsusb, lspcmcia will tell you |
| 10:46.20 | cast | karmatronic: there is nothing wrong connecting as root. PSK? |
| 10:46.23 | Danielss89 | hehe nvz its a dedicated server, and i thought one of the harddisks was missing, but the support said i just had to format it, and mount it... |
| 10:46.25 | Danielss89 | Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 10:46.27 | nvz | chronographer: what he was telling you is that you should have avoided the issue in the first place by knowing you are runnin non-stable software and should be using apt-listbugs and reading the bts |
| 10:46.29 | wols_ | Staz: sources are in source packages. apt-get source |
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| 10:46.36 | TurboBee | oh |
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| 10:46.38 | TurboBee | pcmcia |
| 10:46.45 | TurboBee | er |
| 10:46.47 | karmatronic | cast: connecting as root is madness |
| 10:46.48 | TurboBee | sorry |
| 10:46.54 | TurboBee | I'm not in debian at the moment |
| 10:46.58 | nvz | Danielss89: well are you wanting to create a single partition using the whole drive and format it using ext3? |
| 10:46.58 | chronographer | oh i see. |
| 10:47.00 | cast | karmatronic: madness? THIS IS OLDECCC |
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| 10:47.16 | karmatronic | cast: cos someone using a password cracker aready has the login to use |
| 10:47.22 | TurboBee | i was waiting to install debian to figure out if this card was compatible or not |
| 10:47.29 | Danielss89 | nvz yes i just want on partion, i dont know which filesystem is best to use.. |
| 10:47.33 | cast | karmatronic: see that's a different problem. it is madness to use shitty passwords |
| 10:47.41 | nvz | Staz: no just the headers needed to build packages that will run on the _binary_ version of that library |
| 10:47.47 | Staz | So how come when I'm compiling something, just the required library dev packages are sufficient (I dont seem to need to install source packages) |
| 10:47.56 | Staz | oh! |
| 10:47.57 | karmatronic | cast: the correct way is to desahbilitate root remote login |
| 10:47.58 | Staz | cheers |
| 10:48.00 | cast | karmatronic: it is not madness to allow ssh root logins, observe that even OpenBSD doesn't disable root logins |
| 10:48.13 | karmatronic | cast: it is madness , i m sorry |
| 10:48.25 | nvz | Staz: because you aren't compiling the libraries, you are just compiling a program which uses hooks in that library. and the header files explain everything it needs to know |
| 10:48.34 | cast | karmatronic: no, as that makes things difficult. scp /etc/sources.list root@host:/etc/sources.list just took a whole lot more work |
| 10:48.45 | nvz | Danielss89: well what are you using this filesystem for? |
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| 10:49.06 | nvz | Danielss89: ext3 is the general standard these days for people who don't know what they want |
| 10:49.25 | cast | karmatronic: if you wish to inform the debian openssh-server packages of their mistake, go ahead ;) |
| 10:49.31 | cast | packagers* |
| 10:49.42 | mrynit | wols_, http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s85/mrynit/partiton.png |
| 10:49.43 | Danielss89 | hehe okey nvz, i guess i choose ext3 then :P |
| 10:49.48 | wols_ | TurboBee: then google to check what chip it uses |
| 10:49.52 | nvz | Danielss89: you will first need to run cfdisk /dev/sdb and create a primary partition and write the partition table to disk |
| 10:50.04 | nvz | Danielss89: then you can mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 |
| 10:50.09 | g00se | wtf should there be no shells any more in a partition into which i used to boot, but can't at the moment. The kernel images are there |
| 10:50.30 | nvz | Danielss89: then mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/point (where you want it mounted) |
| 10:50.33 | wols_ | mrynit: nice picture but what I am supposed to do with it? |
| 10:50.45 | nvz | Danielss89: you may want to add it to your fstab to be mounted automatically at boot |
| 10:50.46 | karmatronic | cast: really yuo shouldnt but anyway |
| 10:51.13 | wols_ | cast: secure passwords won't protect you from an exploitable irc client |
| 10:51.19 | mrynit | if i make those changes do i need to represent them in my fstab? |
| 10:51.22 | wols_ | and irc client aren't the most secure softwares |
| 10:51.28 | nvz | Danielss89: man mke2fs, man mount, man fstab |
| 10:51.39 | wols_ | mrynit: obviously yes. and your menu.lst |
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| 10:52.13 | cast | wols_: i agree. i'm confused though, how does an exploitable irc client relate to ssh and AllowRootLogin? |
| 10:52.15 | nvz | Danielss89: mkfs.ext3 just points to mke2fs which is the program to make ext2 or ext3 filesystems |
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| 10:52.45 | mrynit | K, now im trying to figure out the fstab |
| 10:53.12 | nvz | Danielss89: you may want to look at the manpage cause there are various options, like block size, inode count, reserved blocks, mount counts.. etc most of which can be adjusted in the filesystem later using tune2fs |
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| 10:54.13 | liable | !be a tune2fs barbie |
| 10:54.14 | dpkg | Aww, tune2fs is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 10:54.23 | chronographer | hey mrynit, GParted is a great live cd which is good for changing partitions. |
| 10:54.43 | nvz | actually tune2fs is like one of the simplest programs to use |
| 10:54.45 | mrynit | chronographer, yes that is what im using |
| 10:55.25 | liable | nvz: stop thinking and laugh at my silly joke! |
| 10:55.33 | chronographer | well if you want to change your partitions to be like your pretty picture, do it with gparted, then you can change fstab to reflect those changes. |
| 10:55.36 | nvz | heh, you sound like a woman |
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| 10:55.48 | nvz | they are always telling me I think too much |
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| 10:56.05 | nvz | which is usually when I tell them I just remembered I have herpes, bye |
| 10:56.07 | wols_ | cast: misunderstood you then |
| 10:56.16 | chronographer | DONT change your sources to lenny/sed |
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| 10:56.39 | chronographer | bye all. thanks for your help............ |
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| 10:57.25 | nvz | !be installing testing/unstable with a clue barbie |
| 10:57.25 | dpkg | installing testing/unstable with a clue is hard! |
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| 10:58.30 | nvz | hmm I had Tin Roof Sunday for breakfast like 3 hours ago..now its 7am and I'm suddenly hungry.. can't figure this one out. |
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| 11:00.16 | nvz | I didn't realize ice cream with peanuts and chocolate syrup wasn't a nutritional breakfast |
| 11:01.04 | nvz | I mean c'mon, thats like 3 food groups right there in't it? |
| 11:02.37 | liable | not unless there was bacon topping |
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| 11:03.17 | nvz | I knew I forgot something.. |
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| 11:05.20 | zamuro | dpkg: kiss me |
| 11:06.01 | zamuro | dimir: With your head, I assume. |
| 11:06.14 | Arafangion | zamuro: Of course. |
| 11:06.18 | zamuro | LOL |
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| 11:06.43 | dimir | No, I hit the wall with it. |
| 11:07.46 | liable | wtf are you on about? |
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| 11:08.58 | zamuro | http://zidane-headbutt.blogspot.com/ |
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| 11:11.07 | dimir | Zidane rowls. |
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| 11:12.36 | zamuro | http://www.drumandbass.com.ve/zidane/1e5b90df376ab8cd309658af8289e487.gif |
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| 11:14.13 | anapivirtua | hi world |
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| 11:15.59 | gnube | is there a info to man tool? |
| 11:16.10 | gnube | So that one can create man pages from info files? |
| 11:16.22 | gnube | that can be used by debuild? |
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| 11:17.18 | dimir | tool rules. |
| 11:17.54 | cast | indeed. |
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| 11:18.04 | ma3x | i installed ntp ntpdate and something still keeps moving my time back |
| 11:18.09 | ma3x | what is it? |
| 11:18.17 | vaq | BIOS |
| 11:18.19 | petemc | ma3x: do you dual boot? |
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| 11:19.07 | ma3x | petemc, no dual boot |
| 11:19.16 | ma3x | petemc, it didn't do that before and i havent upgrade the bios |
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| 11:19.26 | ma3x | i dont even reboot |
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| 11:19.48 | vaq | ma3x: old computer with old bios clock? |
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| 11:19.59 | vaq | ma3x: maybe the battery is flat? |
| 11:20.01 | ma3x | its a new laptop (2 yeasrago ) |
| 11:20.09 | ma3x | i run on ac power |
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| 11:20.47 | ma3x | even with ntp why it still goes back? |
| 11:20.57 | ma3x | shouldn't it keep it up to date? |
| 11:21.01 | cast | you mean ntpdate? |
| 11:21.04 | cast | or ntpd? |
| 11:21.09 | ma3x | both |
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| 11:22.03 | cast | well ntpd needs an incoming udp port open |
| 11:22.13 | cast | it also will refuse to do its thing if the error is too great |
| 11:22.42 | ma3x | i asked yesterday about port, i was told just let it work you dont need a port |
| 11:22.54 | Staz | thats true, I alwasy run ntpdate first |
| 11:22.58 | Staz | then start the ntpd daemon |
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| 11:31.25 | Danielss89 | I have debian on my server, and ive installed vmware on it. now im trying to install debian on the vmware, but it seems like it cant get a internetconnection.. |
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| 11:32.58 | nyk2005 | I suddently have the problem, that my tetex can't find utf8.def, but I have the latex-ucs package installed. and it worked before the last update. what could go wrong? |
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| 11:37.01 | ma3x | there this is the bug |
| 11:37.02 | ma3x | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/104091 |
| 11:37.06 | ma3x | what's the solution? |
| 11:38.24 | HostilePenguin | how does orphaner decide what is really orphaned is that an aptitude frontend? |
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| 11:39.41 | khaleel5000 | hello , i have debian etch , is there a repo from where i can get packages for rivatv? |
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| 11:40.03 | streuner | !tell khaleel5000 about search |
| 11:41.03 | knobo | aha! resolvconf fixes it :) |
| 11:41.26 | streuner | !tell ma3x about topic |
| 11:41.33 | streuner | hm, too late |
| 11:42.31 | mne | hi, i just upgraded to kernel 2.6.21 and i have trouble compiling the current nvidia-kernel. So far I tried it with module-assistant. The compiler outputs various warnings and in the linking process ld complains abount a "GPL incompatible GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops'. any hints ? |
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| 11:43.51 | streuner | mne: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 11:43.53 | HostilePenguin | resolv.conf fixes what? |
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| 11:44.22 | streuner | man rsolv.conf |
| 11:44.28 | streuner | man resolv.conf |
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| 11:44.52 | tenzind | hi, is mencoder in the debian repo? |
| 11:44.56 | mne | streuner: ii libc6 2.5-11 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 11:45.05 | streuner | tenzind: no |
| 11:45.16 | cast | !tell tenzind about debian-multimedia |
| 11:45.29 | streuner | mne: what's the whole output? |
| 11:45.58 | nyk2005 | Ok, now utf8 works, but the float package can't be found... |
| 11:46.20 | tenzind | streuner: thanks |
| 11:46.21 | mne | streuner: currently i have no X, it's pretty hard for me to paste it somewhere ;( |
| 11:46.32 | karmatronic | tenzind: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main in your sources.list |
| 11:46.58 | streuner | mne: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 11:47.21 | wols_ | mne: nvidia drivers are not needed for X |
| 11:47.30 | wols_ | and pasting without X is very easy |
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| 11:48.19 | streuner | mne: VESA for example, pasting without X -> gpm |
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| 11:49.06 | wols_ | !tell mne about pastewithoutx |
| 11:49.26 | spheard | has anyone any idea why I can access the reverse zone on my nameserver locally and from the local network but not remotely, port 53 is open. all other remote queries work fine. Just reverse lookups for which the server is the master. |
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| 11:50.11 | mne | yep, i could install gpm. but wait a minute, i have another box with X running. i'l connect to the channel from there and do all the compiling over ssh ;) |
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| 11:51.10 | Danielss89 | Hmm im trying to install debian on an vmware server.. but i get this msg: Your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol... |
| 11:51.21 | Danielss89 | but im connected over the internet so it should work.. |
| 11:51.31 | aeshyamae | is anyone having a package of free(dom) software specialised for electronics engineering students ? |
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| 11:52.08 | spheard | Danielss89 you have to manually allocate an ip address on the local network |
| 11:52.48 | quha1 | hi, who can tell me which package include the htpasswd? |
| 11:52.49 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: what is it supposed to do? |
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| 11:52.57 | tarzeau | quha1: some apache utils/tools pkg |
| 11:53.10 | Danielss89 | spheard: okey.. how do i do that.. i have a control panel on the internet, and in there i gave my server 2 secondary IP's so the host system have one, and then i want my 2 "subsystems" to have one each.. |
| 11:53.18 | petemc | quha1: /msg dpkg search |
| 11:53.19 | aeshyamae | my university is still prescribing matlab for the lab use....heard that there is scilab and gnu octave there which can do what matlab can do...not only tht i would like some circuit simulators too |
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| 11:53.52 | kombi_ | if "C compiler cannot create executables", what am I missing? |
| 11:54.07 | Shadur | Most likely, a C compiler. |
| 11:54.10 | petemc | libc-dev , but install build-essential |
| 11:54.16 | Shadur | kombi_: look at config.log |
| 11:54.27 | kombi_ | Shadur: gcc is there, what else? |
| 11:54.33 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: we still have matlab, mathematica, maple, pv-wave, idl too |
| 11:54.34 | quha1 | apache2-utils ? |
| 11:54.34 | shingouz | grrrr.... fscked up kernel and all my tools are "elsewhere". how the hell do i make a quick and dirty boot floppy so i can get on the hd to change the kernel to sometihng sane? |
| 11:54.34 | kombi_ | did.. |
| 11:54.42 | raz0 | kombi_, The compiler usually makes object modules. The linker makes them executable. :) |
| 11:54.42 | Shadur | But yes, what petemc said - installing build-essential should fix that unless something really trippy is up. |
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| 11:54.47 | petemc | shingouz: you dont use grub? |
| 11:54.58 | shingouz | nope. lilo |
| 11:54.59 | aeshyamae | tarzeau:is matlab a free software? |
| 11:55.03 | Shadur | kombi_: Check config.log. It will say *why* it couldn't make executables. |
| 11:55.03 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: none of them are |
| 11:55.10 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: they are actually pretty expensive |
| 11:55.18 | kombi_ | Shadur: did, but can't make head or tail of it.. |
| 11:55.22 | karmatronic | aeshyamae: no |
| 11:55.23 | spheard | Danielss89: I dont know, dont use vmware, just know you have to do it. sorry, get open VZ its much better for linux only virtualization |
| 11:55.24 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: and without sources |
| 11:55.45 | aeshyamae | tarzeau:let them be expensive...as far as they are propreitory we cant use that na? |
| 11:55.48 | karmatronic | aeshyamae: i have it somewhere tho :) |
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| 11:55.54 | cast | aeshyamae: octave is a fine replacement for matlab :) |
| 11:56.09 | aeshyamae | wow thanks all for the response |
| 11:56.24 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: i package them and distribute them on our workstations |
| 11:56.33 | Danielss89 | spheard would that work when im controlling the server via SSH? |
| 11:56.41 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: would be better if someone wrote replacement software that is free, no? |
| 11:57.24 | aeshyamae | these days my teacher says me gnu/linux is not having much useful tools...i certainly know its not like that so i was thinking of making a package of free(dom)softwares for engg students....i think there should be some existing packages??? |
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| 11:58.02 | karmatronic | aeshyamae: aeshyamae what kind of packages are you looking for? |
| 11:58.11 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: well debian is the largest free software collection ever? |
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| 11:58.19 | spheard | Danielss89: would what work sorry? |
| 11:58.24 | spheard | openVZ? |
| 11:58.27 | Danielss89 | yeah |
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| 11:58.34 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: write them. saying it doesn't have the useful tools for him, is not getting him anywhere |
| 11:58.40 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: your teacher is nuts |
| 11:58.42 | spheard | yeah, its the only access I got to my virtual servers |
| 11:58.54 | aeshyamae | i would like to have some easy to use circuit simulators |
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| 11:59.07 | spheard | http://www.howtoforge.com/openvz_debian_vps_p2 Danielss89 |
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| 11:59.12 | ma3x | how do I install the base of the system? |
| 11:59.19 | ma3x | while booted |
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| 11:59.28 | tarzeau | ma3x: cdebootstrap ? |
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| 11:59.59 | ma3x | tarzeau, I currently removed a lot of packages and now when I try to install base-files it says E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true returned an error code (100) |
| 11:59.59 | ma3x | E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true |
| 12:00.04 | ma3x | tarzeau, would cdebootstrap help? |
| 12:00.22 | tarzeau | ma3x: i wonder why you do such stuff? |
| 12:00.30 | aeshyamae | and what generally an electronic engg student require to study the basics of circuit design |
| 12:00.33 | ma3x | tarzeau, i want to reinstall stable |
| 12:00.41 | tarzeau | ma3x: then reinstall stable |
| 12:01.04 | ma3x | tarzeau, i want to do it while im here (booted) |
| 12:01.10 | ma3x | would cdebootstrap do it? |
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| 12:01.18 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes, if you knew ho to use it |
| 12:01.29 | ma3x | but i dont have it installed |
| 12:01.40 | tarzeau | ma3x: here's an example: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/install.txt |
| 12:01.46 | tarzeau | ma3x: apt-get install cdebootstrap ? |
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| 12:01.58 | aeshyamae | some one heard of any distribution of gnu/linux or debian sections which is specialised for electronics? |
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| 12:02.53 | ma3x | tarzeau, : Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true returned an error code (100) |
| 12:02.53 | ma3x | E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true |
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| 12:02.59 | ma3x | can I solve that somehow? |
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| 12:03.16 | aeshyamae | which contains circuit simulators,circuit design tools,SIMULATOR Of electronic lab equipments like CRO function generator....like that the list goes.... |
| 12:03.45 | aeshyamae | ok to make it shorten a virtual electronics lab kind of thing?? |
| 12:03.57 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: the only thing of related software that debian has, is the list here: http://ronja.twibright.com/web.php |
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| 12:05.53 | ma3x | tarzeau, i got sid bootstrap can i somehow cdebootstrap and reinstall from there to the live partition? |
| 12:06.24 | tarzeau | ma3x: if you can write to it, you can do anything |
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| 12:07.23 | wols_ | tarzeau: this is ma3x you talk to. keep this in mind |
| 12:07.35 | ma3x | wols_, shut the fuck up |
| 12:08.00 | sussudio | %fist ma3x |
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| 12:08.26 | ma3x | tarzeau, it says cdebootstrap builds a basic Debian system of SUITE (e.g. sarge, etch, lenny, sid) into TARGET... is target device name or directory? |
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| 12:08.41 | tarzeau | ma3x: directory |
| 12:08.48 | liable | who is? which nick do i need to ignore now? |
| 12:08.53 | tarzeau | ma3x: more generally a file |
| 12:08.58 | ma3x | ok thanks |
| 12:08.58 | tarzeau | ma3x: and a device name is a file too |
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| 12:10.30 | kombi_ | hrmpf, still monging on "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 12:10.42 | tarzeau | !build-essentials |
| 12:10.44 | tarzeau | !build-essential |
| 12:10.44 | dpkg | it has been said that build-essential is If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package. This package contains an informational list of packages which are considered essential for building Debian packages. or apt-get install build-essential; to be able to compile shit |
| 12:10.58 | kombi_ | tartzeau: that's it!.. |
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| 12:11.09 | kombi_ | happened to me before, sorry.. thanks tarzeau |
| 12:11.13 | tarzeau | kombi_: what shit do you want to compile? |
| 12:11.28 | tarzeau | !factinfo build-essential |
| 12:11.28 | dpkg | build-essential -- last modified at Tue Jul 4 20:40:41 2006 by sid!n=username@tor/regular/unstable; it has been requested 38 times, last by tarzeau, 44s ago. |
| 12:11.37 | kombi_ | tarzeau: asterisk |
| 12:11.46 | kombi_ | need to change sources.. |
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| 12:12.04 | PietroGiovanni | hi |
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| 12:12.34 | PietroGiovanni | hi |
| 12:12.48 | PietroGiovanni | there seem to be no way for me to install nvidia driver |
| 12:12.49 | tarzeau | http://irc.istheshit.net/ |
| 12:12.57 | piti | Hi. I'm on debian (sid) amd-64. I'd like to use java applets, but sun java doesn't provide a plugin to mozilla 64 bit, and nspluginwrapper does not support jre. any solution ? |
| 12:13.01 | tarzeau | PietroGiovanni: sid? testing? stable? |
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| 12:13.11 | PietroGiovanni | tarzeau lenny |
| 12:13.16 | tarzeau | PietroGiovanni: don't use java. |
| 12:13.37 | PietroGiovanni | tarzeau im not java, im nvidia kernel's unmatching error |
| 12:13.40 | claudio` | AngusRF: s/PietroGiovanni/piti :D |
| 12:13.48 | tarzeau | piti: don't use java |
| 12:13.49 | claudio` | tarzeau: s/PietroGiovanni/piti :D |
| 12:13.53 | claudio` | -. |
| 12:13.54 | claudio` | -.- |
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| 12:13.58 | tarzeau | PietroGiovanni: fix your kernel unmatching error |
| 12:13.59 | claudio` | PietroGiovanni: are you italian? |
| 12:14.06 | piti | tarzeau : you mean that I can't ? |
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| 12:14.15 | tarzeau | piti: yes |
| 12:14.40 | PietroGiovanni | tarzeau i wish i could |
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| 12:14.54 | PietroGiovanni | mi only option seems to be recompile the freaking kernel |
| 12:14.58 | piti | can't I insall a 32bit version of iceweasel ? |
| 12:15.06 | tarzeau | piti: no |
| 12:15.13 | PietroGiovanni | wich i wont do |
| 12:15.21 | perplex | anyone know why i keep getting errors when trying to install pkgs? first and foremost i get a dependecy error when trying to install anything, it tells me to run apt-get -f install to fix them, but then i get an error complaining about python. I removed python2.5 and 2.4 is the default version, /usr/bin/python points to it also |
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| 12:15.28 | kombi_ | what is termcap? |
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| 12:15.45 | tarzeau | PietroGiovanni: hm, the kernel isn't that freaking |
| 12:15.57 | PietroGiovanni | thats right. IM freaking |
| 12:16.04 | PietroGiovanni | out |
| 12:16.05 | tarzeau | kombi_: try whatis termcap in your terminal |
| 12:16.07 | perplex | here is the error, http://rafb.net/p/4hHAQQ78.html |
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| 12:16.23 | naught101 | anyone know of a console based-browser that I can use a mouse with? |
| 12:16.33 | naught101 | like lynx plus mouse? |
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| 12:16.44 | tarzeau | naught101: links2 ? |
| 12:16.47 | aeshyamae | tarzeau:thanks a lottt for the link....i got the infos...i think i want to make a custom cd myself with the packages..:) |
| 12:17.00 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: and don't forget live-helper |
| 12:17.08 | perplex | naught101: w3m |
| 12:17.24 | piti | I have antoher question: it's about usb permissions. I want to use gphoto, but access to usb device is forbidden. how can I change these ? |
| 12:17.28 | naught101 | cool, I'll try them |
| 12:17.39 | aeshyamae | oooo as all my friends have debian installation its enough if i have the cd of debs |
| 12:17.49 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: ahhh i see |
| 12:17.59 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: or you give them just the apt-get install command and they run it? |
| 12:18.06 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: they don't have TEH INTARNET? |
| 12:18.15 | aeshyamae | ya thats the problem |
| 12:18.23 | aeshyamae | internet is the villan |
| 12:18.43 | kombi_ | tarzeau: do you know this one? "termcap support not found" |
| 12:19.00 | tarzeau | kombi_: no. when you do what? |
| 12:19.12 | aeshyamae | no the propreitory modem manufactures are the villian really they are unfortunately having winmodems....but then also it will be a great job to download things thru dialup |
| 12:19.23 | kombi_ | tarzeau: trying to ./configure |
| 12:20.02 | tarzeau | kombi_: what software? |
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| 12:20.12 | aeshyamae | tarzeau:so for these kinds of softwares is it enough to have the first 3 dvds? |
| 12:20.14 | kombi_ | tarzeau: asterisk still.. |
| 12:20.27 | tarzeau | kombi_: why not use the debian packages? |
| 12:20.45 | kombi_ | tarzeau: need to patch it.. |
| 12:20.46 | perplex | anyone? |
| 12:20.50 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: dunno, i have no idea which package is on which cd.. probably 3dvds sounds very complete |
| 12:21.15 | kombi_ | tarzeau: done it before on another box, I am probably just missing some silly package |
| 12:22.29 | aeshyamae | i was checking for some popular circuit simulators or so....i heard there is not much circuit simulators which is as much as the propreitory counter parts like proteius....anyone know abt that? |
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| 12:23.15 | tarzeau | kombi_: check the build depends of the debian package? |
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| 12:23.34 | aeshyamae | tarzeavu:debian etch is 3 dvds or is there more? |
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| 12:23.47 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: one archituecture yes, more or less |
| 12:23.51 | aeshyamae | i mean the whole distribution? |
| 12:23.55 | naught101 | wow perplex. w3m is farking cool |
| 12:24.04 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: like i386, amd64, sparc and all? |
| 12:24.08 | aeshyamae | ya |
| 12:24.15 | tarzeau | naught101: tried links2 -g yet? |
| 12:24.25 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: no, 3 dvds is not enough |
| 12:24.28 | aeshyamae | i heard there are more than 10 dvds is that true? |
| 12:24.33 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: yes far more |
| 12:24.43 | aeshyamae | i didnt see that on repos..or is it there? |
| 12:25.06 | streuner | DVD's NOT CD's |
| 12:25.12 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 12:25.23 | naught101 | tarzeau: I couldn't find it in aptitude.. |
| 12:25.36 | aeshyamae | tarzeavu:sorry sir |
| 12:25.37 | tarzeau | aeshyamae: a cd is 650mb, a dvd is 4500mb... go figure |
| 12:25.44 | tarzeau | well 4700 |
| 12:25.46 | aeshyamae | :) |
| 12:25.52 | tarzeau | naught101: apt-get install links2 ? |
| 12:25.58 | tarzeau | naught101: if it don't work , you don't have debian |
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| 12:26.23 | aeshyamae | tarzeau:ooo got to go will login after 15mins or so:) |
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| 12:26.33 | streuner | What did you smoke today? :-) |
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| 12:27.04 | Exy|DT | Bash is the default in Debian isn't it? |
| 12:27.19 | denken | Exy|DT: yes |
| 12:27.20 | streuner | Debian installs by default bash, right. |
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| 12:27.43 | naught101 | tarzeau: misspelled ;) |
| 12:28.10 | Exy|DT | Right... my terminal only shows "sh-3.1$" despite the fact I set up a colourised custom one. Running "bash" works, but, why do I need to do that? |
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| 12:28.36 | azeem | Exy|DT: probably you set it up in ~/.bashrc, not ~/.bash_profiel |
| 12:28.38 | azeem | profile* |
| 12:28.47 | Exy|DT | Ah... did that change recently or something? |
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| 12:29.27 | naught101 | tarzeau: links2 and links2 -g doesn't really work.. seems to crash |
| 12:29.35 | Exy|DT | Erm, bash profile just has "[[ -f ~/.bashrc ]] && . ~/.bashrc" so shouldn't it pass it along? |
| 12:29.42 | naught101 | (!) DirectFB/Core: Could not initialize 'system' core! |
| 12:30.12 | Exy|DT | azeem, ? |
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| 12:30.58 | azeem | Exy|DT: no idea |
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| 12:31.30 | Exy|DT | Surely you're not all using prompts that just say "sh-3.1$" :/ |
| 12:32.11 | GDG | does exist a command to remove all unecessary package/file from debian distro? |
| 12:32.32 | naught101 | GDG: sudo apt-get autoclean |
| 12:32.37 | naught101 | GDG: sudo apt-get autoremove |
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| 12:32.48 | azeem | naught101: does that work on stable? |
| 12:33.13 | naught101 | azeem: huh? what work? |
| 12:33.46 | azeem | apt-get autoremove |
| 12:33.50 | hark | autoremove |
| 12:34.16 | perplex | there is no autoremove |
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| 12:34.35 | azeem | /W/ 44 |
| 12:34.37 | azeem | oops. |
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| 12:41.01 | perplex | anyone know why i keep getting errors when trying to install pkgs? first and foremost i get a dependecy error when trying to install anything, it tells me to run apt-get -f install to fix them, but then i get an error complaining about python. I removed python2.5 and 2.4 is the default version, /usr/bin/python points to it also |
| 12:41.04 | perplex | here is the error, http://rafb.net/p/4hHAQQ78.html |
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| 12:42.01 | faber4 | hi everybody |
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| 12:42.18 | faber4 | how can i check the amount of physical memory on my system? |
| 12:42.34 | cast__ | going. to. fucking. kill. dlink. |
| 12:43.00 | holycow | hey guys |
| 12:43.06 | perplex | faber4: free |
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| 12:43.17 | mne | streuner: I'm back, i had to try something else first ;) here's there nvidia-kernel compile output: http://rafb.net/p/WaOASW37.html |
| 12:43.26 | holycow | how would i check if the system was down for a period of time ... say last night or this morning? |
| 12:43.31 | faber4 | perplex: i am on a xen host |
| 12:43.32 | xand | holycow: uptime? |
| 12:43.37 | holycow | doh! |
| 12:43.40 | holycow | danke |
| 12:44.00 | petemc | faber4: free should still show the memory available to you |
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| 12:44.12 | tarzeau | faber4: or lshw, hwinfo |
| 12:44.27 | tarzeau | petemc: free can be wrong, depending on the kernel compile options used (HIGHMEM stuff) |
| 12:44.28 | faber4 | petemc: yes, it does. but i want to know how much physical memory there is |
| 12:44.47 | petemc | faber4: you wont be able to determine that from the domU |
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| 12:46.57 | chuckkh | hi |
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| 12:47.24 | chuckkh | wondering if anyone can tell me why 64studio cannot access my ethernet port while debian can |
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| 12:47.59 | chuckkh | or suggest what I could check |
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| 12:50.10 | wols_ | chuckkh: no one can since this is #debian |
| 12:50.11 | liable | kernel version i guess |
| 12:50.45 | chuckkh | wols_: someone might |
| 12:50.57 | chuckkh | and 64studio is also debian |
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| 12:52.50 | cast | i give up. |
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| 12:53.46 | chuckkh | liable: I thought of that but the kernel that doesn't work isn't very old |
| 12:54.21 | chuckkh | I do have the source though for the newest so I guess I'll boot into 64studio and compile it |
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| 12:55.16 | ChaosR | I've found another part in my flash 9 sound problem, after changing some configs the following error popped up while running iceweasel command line in kde: "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:803:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) The dmix plugin supports only playback stream" |
| 12:55.40 | ChaosR | What does that mean, and is there a way to fix it |
| 12:55.50 | Zap-W | aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 but it is not installable |
| 12:55.50 | aptitude | Zap-W: what are you talking about? |
| 12:56.03 | mne | hi, i've problems compiling nvidia-kernel with stock kernel 2.6.21-1-k7 under debian unstable. http://rafb.net/p/WaOASW37.html# |
| 12:56.35 | perplex | anyone know why i keep getting errors when trying to install pkgs? first and foremost i get a dependecy error when trying to install anything, it tells me to run apt-get -f install to fix them, but then i get an error complaining about python. I removed python2.5 and 2.4 is the default version, /usr/bin/python points to it also |
| 12:56.37 | perplex | here is the error, http://rafb.net/p/4hHAQQ78.html |
| 12:56.44 | perplex | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 13:04.19 | ma3x | warning: many lost ticks. |
| 13:04.20 | ma3x | Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts |
| 13:04.22 | ma3x | rip _spin_unlock_irqrestore+0x8/0x9 |
| 13:04.24 | ma3x | what's that about? |
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| 13:04.40 | chuckkh | can anyone tell me a way to download all the deb files of the dependencies of a program? |
| 13:04.44 | chuckkh | without installing |
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| 13:05.01 | wols_ | chuckkh: ask #64studio |
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| 13:05.24 | ChaosR | ok, I fixed the dmix problem, but still no sound :'( |
| 13:05.36 | ChaosR | I've now tried like everything I could find on the internet |
| 13:05.37 | cahoot | chuckkh, or take a look at aptitudes man page |
| 13:05.45 | simonrvn | chuckkh: apt-get -d install foo bar baz |
| 13:05.51 | LqR | about ion3: I heard from someone that "debian is working on a fork with a different name", is that true at all? |
| 13:06.06 | perplex | anyone know why i keep getting errors when trying to install pkgs? first and foremost i get a dependecy error when trying to install anything, it tells me to run apt-get -f install to fix them, but then i get an error complaining about python. I removed python2.5 and 2.4 is the default version, /usr/bin/python points to it also |
| 13:06.20 | perplex | here is the error, http://rafb.net/p/4hHAQQ78.html |
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| 13:06.29 | simonrvn | LqR: i don't know. might want to look at alioth.debian.org |
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| 13:06.56 | LqR | simonrvn: Sorry, I'm not an everyday debian user, what's that? |
| 13:07.51 | LqR | or rather: what should I do with it? |
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| 13:10.13 | simonrvn | LqR: it's a web site with stuff that's in development, you could say it's the sid of sid... mailing lists, source, projects .. |
| 13:11.05 | LqR | ah. I see |
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| 13:14.51 | LqR | nope, there seems to be nothing about a fork of ion on alioth |
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| 13:15.53 | chuckkh | I have a fork of iron |
| 13:16.07 | LqR | haha |
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| 13:16.27 | cahoot | humour in #debian is a joke |
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| 13:16.58 | chuckkh | as it should be |
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| 13:24.31 | wwallace | boo!!! |
| 13:24.38 | TechAlBalushi | ? |
| 13:25.03 | perplex | anyone know why i keep getting errors when trying to install pkgs? first and foremost i get a dependecy error when trying to install anything, it tells me to run apt-get -f install to fix them, but then i get an error complaining about python. I removed python2.5 and 2.4 is the default version, /usr/bin/python points to it /usr/bin/python2.4 also |
| 13:25.05 | perplex | here is the error, http://rafb.net/p/4hHAQQ78.html |
| 13:25.18 | abrotman | !bts |
| 13:25.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:25.46 | wwallace | abrotman, how the hell are you? |
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| 13:27.15 | kraehe | i have a problem with /etc/network/interface ... how to quote a wireless_key, that starts with an # |
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| 13:28.09 | liable | put it in quotes |
| 13:28.39 | kraehe | using "" tells me, that the key is 2 chars to long ... no using "" tells me that there is no key ;( |
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| 13:31.50 | Zap-W | is sid broken ? |
| 13:32.01 | Zap-W | aptitude depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11; however: |
| 13:32.01 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.34 | liable | kraehe: try escaping it |
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| 13:33.18 | liable | Zap-W: that suggest that apt has unsatisfiable depends, yes. is that broken? depends who you ask. its certainly not ideal.. |
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| 13:33.25 | Zap-W | o maintainer for deboostrap. Please do not report new bugs against this package. |
| 13:33.43 | Zap-W | s/o/no |
| 13:33.46 | waqjan | where do I go to request packages to be added to debian? |
| 13:34.18 | liable | file a wishlist bug |
| 13:34.29 | simonrvn | Zap-W: put it on hold |
| 13:34.31 | kraehe | liable, i converted it to hexadecimal with `od -t x1` |
| 13:35.04 | wols_ | Zap-W: do you know what BTS is? |
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| 13:35.23 | streuner | sure he does, he visited #debian since years |
| 13:35.24 | liable | kraehe: out of interest, does escaping it help at all? wireless-tools debian.readme indeed says not to use quotes, but there must be a way to do it when a key starts with hash |
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| 13:35.55 | simonrvn | mostly 'cause aptitude isn't in yet |
| 13:35.56 | Zap-W | wols_, are you an idiot? |
| 13:36.08 | Zap-W | Zap-W: no maintainer for deboostrap. Please do not report new bugs against this package. |
| 13:36.45 | liable | Zap-W: i believe he was reffering to your first comment |
| 13:36.58 | liable | which is fair game |
| 13:37.15 | wols_ | "15:31 < Zap-W> is sid broken ?" DOn#t throw with stones whne you're sitting in a glas house... |
| 13:37.46 | Zap-W | i ment to say is something terrible broken with sid right now |
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| 13:38.21 | wols_ | mor idiocy then |
| 13:39.12 | simonrvn | just put it on hold already and QuitYerBitchin' |
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| 13:39.50 | liable | not even a real need to hold it, its not really breaking anything afais |
| 13:40.01 | simonrvn | they added somenew backend, i imagine it's taking a while to integrate into aptitude, or make it link/work with it properly |
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| 13:40.10 | simonrvn | libept |
| 13:40.33 | SoulChild | Hey all,... what is selinux and why do i get this error "Failed to mount selinux" at boot ? |
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| 13:40.48 | simonrvn | hooking it up with some fancy search library, libxapian or something |
| 13:40.57 | simonrvn | SoulChild: ignore it |
| 13:41.04 | AimHere | selinux is Security Enhanced Linux, which is the NSA patches to Linux to make it more secure |
| 13:41.13 | AimHere | But ignore it |
| 13:41.22 | SoulChild | simonrvn: why ignore ? i don't like any error messages at boot :D |
| 13:41.34 | SoulChild | or isn't it an error ? |
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| 13:41.52 | simonrvn | it's not a big deal, that's why. just telling you it's an selinux enabled kernel |
| 13:42.13 | SoulChild | simonrvn: hmmm ,... ok ,... |
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| 13:43.25 | simonrvn | try coding with pointers ;p |
| 13:43.28 | simonrvn | without* |
| 13:44.16 | kiker_ | Hello! I'm having problem getting my newly installed Debian 4.0r0 online. Right after the installation it worked, but after a reboot it failed. When probing for DHCP it only ends with "No DHCPOFFERS received". |
| 13:44.20 | kiker_ | The interface eth1 is set for dhcp in /etc/networking/interfaces. NIC = Realtek 8139. The system successfully detects when a cable is plugged inn or plugged out. dmesg says link is up. I'm using a new network cable and the switch to which I am connected is used by another PC so it's working. |
| 13:44.24 | kiker_ | The router to which the switch is connected is properly set up for DHCP. Any ideas / something I need to check ? |
| 13:44.29 | Zap-W | have anyone experimented with bootsplash ? animation dont play in etch |
| 13:44.31 | Zap-W | has |
| 13:44.55 | liable | bottsplash has animations now? |
| 13:45.04 | Zap-W | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=385443 |
| 13:45.25 | karmatronic | kiker_: boot with noacpi |
| 13:45.28 | simonrvn | it's obviously not getting any replies (which would be the DHCPOFFER, to the DHCPREQUEST) |
| 13:45.52 | karmatronic | kiker_: this model card has sometimes problem caused from acpi |
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| 13:46.13 | karmatronic | kiker_: add noacpi acpi=off in your grub list |
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| 13:49.20 | Zap-W | bah they dont upload these bug fixes to security do they? only if it breaks the system? |
| 13:49.20 | Zap-W | the bugfix makes the program work properly |
| 13:49.27 | kiker_ | Allright, thanks, karmatronic . will try now :-) |
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| 13:57.00 | kiker_ | karmatronic, thanks for the tip, but it didn't work :o Any other ideas? :) |
| 13:57.02 | SoulChild | I am looking for a site with nice debian themes (wallpapers,GDM,Grub-Splash, Cursors) ,.. any ideas ? |
| 13:57.42 | tarzeau | SoulChild: best background pictures http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/unterwasser/ |
| 13:57.54 | karmatronic | kiker_: try with noapic noacpi nolapic acpi=off apic=off lapic=off |
| 13:57.56 | simonrvn | kdelook.org, gnomelook.org (could have a - between the *and 'look' words) |
| 13:58.07 | karmatronic | kiker_: i could bet it will work |
| 13:58.16 | kiker_ | allright, let's give it a shot :) |
| 13:58.29 | cahoot | tarzeau, read that as Hundertwasser |
| 13:58.30 | tarzeau | SoulChild: and this generates bg images: http://www.bottlenose.demon.co.uk/share/evolvotron/ |
| 13:58.39 | simonrvn | tarzeau: try to be at least a *bit* neutral? ;) |
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| 13:59.02 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i didn't get that? |
| 13:59.09 | simonrvn | it's ok |
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| 14:00.33 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i mean http://gnustep.istheshit.net/ |
| 14:01.06 | Zap-W | why dont they update bugfixes that makes the program actually work .. to security repository ? |
| 14:02.07 | simonrvn | tarzeau: hehe |
| 14:02.12 | Redbush | is there a way that i can set a directory to change the owner of all files created inside to the owner of the directory? |
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| 14:02.48 | Redbush | setgid works for directories, but setuid doesn't. |
| 14:02.48 | kiker_ | karmatronic, didn't work either :| |
| 14:03.08 | simonrvn | cronjobbed script |
| 14:03.38 | samesame | how is everyone getting on with debian etch stable? |
| 14:04.14 | tarzeau | samesame: very good |
| 14:04.17 | sn0 | running great on a few systems here samesame |
| 14:04.21 | tarzeau | samesame: migrating the 150 computers in a week or two |
| 14:04.49 | mmlj4 | i'm moving all my suse boxen over to it |
| 14:04.56 | _mauser_ | SoulChild: try http://www.debianart.org , this is a very new site dedicated to debian themes etc. ... |
| 14:04.56 | tarzeau | mmlj4: how many of them? |
| 14:05.04 | simonrvn | i moved a sid box to it |
| 14:05.09 | mmlj4 | um, 10 maybe |
| 14:05.14 | tarzeau | simonrvn: oh no! |
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| 14:05.35 | tarzeau | simonrvn: i've cursed a sparc sid box into ubuntu: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/curse |
| 14:06.09 | simonrvn | hey, it needed it anyway, it's a "production" server... (FSVO) |
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| 14:06.27 | simonrvn | i'm happy i did it |
| 14:06.32 | mmlj4 | ok, so any thoughts on Linspire's deal with M$, and the fact that they're also entangled with ubuntu? |
| 14:06.48 | tarzeau | mmlj4: no, it's irrelevant here |
| 14:07.01 | tarzeau | mmlj4: who cares? did linspire have any users? |
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| 14:07.04 | simonrvn | oh linspire is the one that signed that deal with them? wtf were/are they thinking? |
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| 14:07.13 | mmlj4 | they did have users |
| 14:07.26 | simonrvn | talk about stabbing yourself in the heart |
| 14:07.27 | tarzeau | i didn't know anyone using it |
| 14:07.35 | mmlj4 | and IIRC ubuntu will incorporate click-n-run |
| 14:07.52 | mmlj4 | it's not a novell-style deal, though |
| 14:08.00 | _mauser_ | .. and the relation between linspire and ubuntu is very loose.. linspire offers software to ubuntu users, no big deal.. |
| 14:08.06 | simonrvn | oh i know, thinking like corporations. doh me |
| 14:08.24 | mmlj4 | i was under the impression that linspire would become ubuntu under the hood |
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| 14:09.06 | wols_ | could vrey well be, but again: who cares? |
| 14:09.46 | mmlj4 | debian's safe, but if random distros are making deals with the devil, we all need to sit up and take notice |
| 14:09.51 | samesame | what are peoples opinions of ian murdock leaving debian? will it change debian for better or for worse? |
| 14:10.13 | samesame | shouldnt they now rename debian, deb |
| 14:10.22 | mmlj4 | she's not leaving? |
| 14:10.29 | simonrvn | mmlj4: i hate getting all /.ty in here, but i have to agree |
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| 14:10.48 | simonrvn | s,in here,, |
| 14:11.18 | GDG | I need to reduce to minimum the size of my installation at the moment I need Gnome and gcc no more |
| 14:11.23 | tarzeau | samesame: neither |
| 14:11.24 | GDG | how can I do? |
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| 14:12.10 | samesame | have debian now sorted out management problems? |
| 14:12.23 | tarzeau | samesame: can you call them by the name? what problems? |
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| 14:12.49 | mmlj4 | yeah, the head-in-the-sand works great at times |
| 14:12.59 | samesame | i remember reading a few months back a letter from ian murdock and he said there was problems with the way debian was run |
| 14:13.23 | samesame | conflicting personalities |
| 14:13.41 | liable | *groan* |
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| 14:13.50 | wols_ | samesame: ian morudock has no bearing whatsoever on debian anymore |
| 14:13.56 | wols_ | *murdock |
| 14:14.00 | simonrvn | ffs, this is a *support* channel, not slashdot |
| 14:14.00 | stew | he's in NM :) |
| 14:14.03 | samesame | he now works for sun? |
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| 14:14.17 | wfq | hi |
| 14:14.19 | liable | samesame: eh? |
| 14:14.19 | samesame | ok |
| 14:14.23 | liable | stew: ^^ |
| 14:14.25 | unlink | do i need the user uucp? it receives a lot of spam, so i'd like to remove it. |
| 14:14.46 | wols_ | unlink: you don't. you can also reject mail for him |
| 14:14.47 | stew | liable: yes, he's in the new maintainer queue, and his application has been on hold for a while |
| 14:14.50 | wols_ | it's a role account anyways |
| 14:15.00 | unlink | wols_: that do you mean by role accoutn? |
| 14:15.12 | wols_ | stew: what for? him being a NM? |
| 14:15.23 | tarzeau | rms was in NM too |
| 14:15.23 | wols_ | goodwill tour sponsored by sun? |
| 14:15.25 | wfq | i have installed xmms but i can't hear the sound. I have looked for in syslog and dmesg message but I can't find anything. What files should i check please? |
| 14:15.27 | stew | wols_: yes, he has applied to become a DD again |
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| 14:15.30 | mmlj4 | unlink: no one uses uucp anymore, so no you don't need it |
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| 14:15.53 | wfq | i mean, what logs should i check to know what's going on? |
| 14:15.56 | perplex | anyone know why i keep getting errors when trying to install pkgs? first and foremost i get a dependecy error when trying to install anything, it tells me to run apt-get -f install to fix them, but then i get an error complaining about python. I removed python2.5 and 2.4 is the default version, /usr/bin/python points to it /usr/bin/python2.4 also |
| 14:15.57 | perplex | here is the error, http://rafb.net/p/4hHAQQ78.html |
| 14:16.00 | perplex | anyone have any ideas? |
| 14:16.06 | simonrvn | i don't know of any sites tht use uucp... there's more gopher sites than uucp sites ;) |
| 14:16.12 | cahoot | wfq, xmms set to correct output? |
| 14:16.27 | wfq | cahoot, yes. |
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| 14:16.38 | Zap-W | packages in pool are only for unstable release? |
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| 14:16.59 | simonrvn | Zap-W: pool/ ? no incoming, yes |
| 14:16.59 | tarzeau | Zap-W: which pool? |
| 14:17.02 | wfq | the only thing is when i try to play a music i get the error: couldn't open audio |
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| 14:17.07 | cahoot | wfq, run aplay <some.wav> in a term sound or error? |
| 14:17.10 | stew | Zap-W: no, for all three |
| 14:17.11 | mmlj4 | everyone uses SMTP for mail, not uucp |
| 14:17.12 | tarzeau | simonrvn: but also experimental, no? |
| 14:17.23 | stew | Zap-W: or actually more than all three, for all 5 |
| 14:17.25 | wfq | ok |
| 14:17.27 | Zap-W | stew, there are some newer releases which arent available for etch |
| 14:17.27 | simonrvn | has its own dir |
| 14:17.36 | stew | Zap-W: yes |
| 14:18.08 | wfq | cahoot, for example, i can't hear any sound when my desktop comes up |
| 14:18.11 | Zap-W | will they work in etch? |
| 14:18.14 | cahoot | wfq, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
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| 14:18.37 | simonrvn | yeh, you don't want something built against glibc 2.5.x installed on a 2.3.x system ;) |
| 14:18.49 | liable | heh, he has been on hold a while, his email is still prgeny.. |
| 14:18.52 | liable | progeny |
| 14:18.54 | simonrvn | ok, gtg. see you |
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| 14:19.31 | Zap-W | simonrvn, everything there isnt for etch ? |
| 14:19.34 | wfq | cahoot, /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 14:19.57 | Amadeus | Sorry to ask, but where can I find iso images for the newest debian that I can get but with a kernel version before 2.6.15 on the installation cd? |
| 14:19.59 | simonrvn | Zap-W: no. it depends |
| 14:20.03 | karmatronic | kiker_: last option i see is to try disabling apic in the bios |
| 14:20.13 | wfq | ummmm i don't have any sound card installed then |
| 14:20.17 | wols_ | Amadeus: can't. install sarge instead and upgrade to etch |
| 14:20.22 | Danielss89 | how can i see which netcard im using and wich possillyties i have? |
| 14:20.29 | wols_ | Danielss89: lspci |
| 14:20.39 | simonrvn | wfq: lacking /dev/dsp doesn't mean you don't have a sound device on the box |
| 14:20.41 | liable | wfq: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 14:20.41 | cahoot | wfq, you *are* member of audio group? - id will tell |
| 14:20.42 | karmatronic | Danielss89: dmesg | grep eth |
| 14:20.49 | Amadeus | wols thats what I mean. the newest that has an old kernel. If sarge is the newest that has an old kernel, fine. But then, where do I get sarge iso images? |
| 14:20.53 | Zap-W | simonrvn, they upload it to security.debian.org .. etch stuff , |
| 14:21.11 | wols_ | Amadeus: the newest is etch. and unless you create your own install cd you can't get what you want |
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| 14:21.19 | wfq | cahoot, yes |
| 14:21.21 | Zap-W | simonrvn, on what? |
| 14:21.33 | wfq | cahoot, i have added in /etc/group |
| 14:21.35 | Amadeus | wols_ I don't think you understand what I mean :) |
| 14:21.37 | wfq | liable, i will try |
| 14:21.40 | clemyeats | hi, for a default Gnome install of Testing, do I just need CD1? |
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| 14:21.47 | wols_ | I do. but you don't understand me |
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| 14:21.58 | cahoot | wfq, id says you actually are in audio? |
| 14:22.03 | wols_ | there is no debian installer for etch which uses a kernel lower than 2.6.18 |
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| 14:22.15 | Amadeus | wols_ I am not wanting the newest debian per se. But "the newest one that has a kernel older then 2.6.15". Sarge seems to fit that description |
| 14:22.23 | liable | i have one with .15 iirc |
| 14:22.28 | wols_ | however you can install sarge which uses 2.6.8 and then upgrade it to etch without changing the kernel |
| 14:22.31 | ChangedNick | hello all, how can I install a sound drive in Debian etch? |
| 14:22.35 | ChangedNick | which command is used? |
| 14:22.37 | stew | Amadeus: what are you doing? installing on an alpha? |
| 14:22.47 | wols_ | !tell ChangedNick about alsa |
| 14:22.51 | Amadeus | wols_ yep. where do I find sarge isos? is sarge 3.1r5? |
| 14:22.52 | wfq | yes, cahoot, audio:x:29:user |
| 14:22.56 | wols_ | !sarge |
| 14:22.57 | dpkg | well, sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 14:22.58 | Amadeus | stew no, a thinkpad i1300 |
| 14:23.02 | wfq | cahoot, but even with root is not working |
| 14:23.15 | wols_ | Amadeus: and why does that need an old kernel? |
| 14:23.20 | liable | wtf is a i1300? |
| 14:23.22 | stew | Amadeus: why can't you it boot 2.6.18? i've installed etch on older thinkpads than that |
| 14:23.34 | cahoot | wfq, try this: dpkg-reconfigre linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 14:23.34 | stew | liable: the i series what thankfully short lived |
| 14:23.36 | Amadeus | liable, a thinkpad. called i1300 :) |
| 14:23.38 | ChangedNick | wols_: just type: "about alsa" ? |
| 14:23.43 | wfq | ok |
| 14:23.50 | wols_ | ChangedNick: dpkg msged your |
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| 14:23.53 | wols_ | -r |
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| 14:25.09 | Amadeus | wols_ it needs an old kernel because the linux kernel from 2.6.15 and up doesn't work on it regardless of kernel parameters I have tried |
| 14:25.18 | Amadeus | stew I dont know why it cant boot |
| 14:25.19 | cahoot | ChangedNick, dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 should do it for you in etch |
| 14:25.30 | stew | Amadeus: how far does it get? |
| 14:25.37 | stew | Amadeus: there is also /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 14:25.42 | ChangedNick | cahoot: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 14:25.47 | Amadeus | stew depends on the distro |
| 14:25.50 | ChangedNick | cahoot: ok i will try, thanks a lot |
| 14:25.51 | unlink | wols_: by default, the exim4 config refers to the user uucp |
| 14:26.02 | unlink | wols_: you have to change its config if you want to remove uucp |
| 14:26.15 | stew | Amadeus: ok, how far does it get with debian? |
| 14:26.17 | Amadeus | acpi seem to be the main problem, have tried acpi=off, pci=noacpi, pci=conf2, irqpoll and a lot of others |
| 14:26.29 | Amadeus | stew haven't tried yet |
| 14:26.33 | wols_ | ChangedNick: that's not what you#re supposed to do. that was for wfq |
| 14:27.09 | wfq | sorry? |
| 14:27.14 | Amadeus | is sarge 3.1r5? |
| 14:27.40 | wols_ | Amadeus: yes |
| 14:27.45 | wols_ | sarge is 3.1 rather |
| 14:27.54 | Amadeus | ok |
| 14:28.16 | Amadeus | could try with etch first, but I expect it wont work |
| 14:28.18 | Zap-W | any problem using debianized kernel source packages from sid in etch? |
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| 14:28.28 | wfq | i am coming back in a sec |
| 14:28.50 | liable | Zap-W: no |
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| 14:29.23 | stew | Zap-W: except you won't necessarily be able to compile 3rd party modules for it |
| 14:29.55 | liable | why not? |
| 14:29.58 | kiker_ | karmatronic, thanks for yet another tip, didn't work out though :| weird :P |
| 14:30.02 | Zap-W | ye why not |
| 14:30.24 | stew | if gcc from sid has diverged from etch |
| 14:30.28 | stew | but i guess it hasn't yet |
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| 14:30.50 | stew | you definately can't, for instance, compile modules for an etch kernel in sarge |
| 14:31.00 | jerome | what is the proper way to set which services should start or should not be started at a given runlevel without being messed up by a package update ? |
| 14:31.13 | liable | stew: he said source ;) |
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| 14:31.26 | stew | oh, forget me |
| 14:31.35 | jerome | every time apache got updated, the post script restart the service even if apache is not started in my runlevel |
| 14:31.39 | jerome | for instance |
| 14:31.40 | stew | especially becuase i'm wrong in any case, they are both using 4.1 |
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| 14:32.09 | cahoot | jerome, don't remove all symlinks |
| 14:32.10 | Amadeus | Do I have to get all 20 cds for etch? |
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| 14:32.22 | stew | Amadeus: no, only the first or a netinst |
| 14:32.32 | Amadeus | cool |
| 14:32.34 | stew | Amadeus: (provided you can get on the internet with a stock kernel) |
| 14:32.39 | Amadeus | yep |
| 14:32.46 | abrotman | why did a package get renamed in sarge ? |
| 14:32.47 | karmatronic | Amadeus: even the business card (50Mo ) is enough |
| 14:33.04 | stew | jerome: disable the init script in /etc/default/$daemonname |
| 14:33.05 | Amadeus | stew, if it can get as far as wanting to use my netcard, then I will get the full cd :) |
| 14:33.16 | stew | Amadeus: which? |
| 14:33.21 | stew | abrotman: which |
| 14:33.30 | Amadeus | which? |
| 14:33.31 | stew | Amadeus: (not you) |
| 14:33.34 | abrotman | it appears cyrus-imapd got renamed to cyrus-imap |
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| 14:33.43 | Amadeus | most mirrors dont seem to have sarge |
| 14:34.08 | Amadeus | only "stable" mirrors are listed |
| 14:34.12 | stew | abrotman: wierd. checked the changelog? |
| 14:34.24 | abrotman | not yet |
| 14:34.37 | jetscreamer | f00li5h: i never do |
| 14:34.42 | jerome | stew, cahoot : 'k. I suppose the symlinks are recreated at every update. So changing SXXwhatever to KXXwhatever won't change anything. |
| 14:34.44 | jetscreamer | sup ppl |
| 14:34.44 | abrotman | it only happens when i do a dist-upgrade (to get the new kernel) |
| 14:34.44 | stew | why didn't they just rename it iceimap |
| 14:34.48 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:35.09 | cahoot | jerome, not if one leaves one (AFAIK) |
| 14:35.30 | stew | jerome: the maintainer scripts are required by policy to call invoke-rc.d so they have now idea about the K and S symlinks |
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| 14:36.27 | Amadeus | Hmm. Can't seem to find sarge at all. Only etch |
| 14:36.29 | jerome | cahoot, stew : it seems that some daemons have no /etc/default/xx |
| 14:36.31 | jerome | like mysql |
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| 14:36.48 | stew | jerome: yet. for those, consider filing a wishlist bug |
| 14:36.52 | stew | ^yet^yes |
| 14:36.57 | Danielss89 | can someone help me set up a internetconnection on my system? |
| 14:36.57 | jerome | stew: sure. |
| 14:37.00 | Zap-W | what does ds1 mean? |
| 14:37.14 | jetscreamer | chmod -x /etc/init.d/whatever functions |
| 14:37.14 | abrotman | stew: oh .. wow .. nevermind .. |
| 14:37.20 | karmatronic | Danielss89: yeah just plug your ethernet cable :) |
| 14:37.22 | stew | abrotman: picnic? |
| 14:37.26 | abrotman | today? |
| 14:37.28 | jetscreamer | Deep Space 1 ? |
| 14:37.34 | stew | abrotman: pebcak? |
| 14:37.36 | Danielss89 | hehe karmatronic wasnt done writing :P |
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| 14:37.47 | abrotman | stew: i misread .. the dist-upgrade wants to remove cyrus and install courier |
| 14:38.01 | wfq | cahoot, well i have done it. Even i have used alsaconf and alsamixer but i continue having the same problem. /dev/dsp does not appear |
| 14:38.01 | karmatronic | abrotman: they can do that ? |
| 14:38.07 | abrotman | karmatronic: it's trying to |
| 14:38.23 | abrotman | and the weird bit is that i don't have any courier packages installed anymore (just rc) |
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| 14:38.34 | karmatronic | abrotman: that s a little bit...rude , no? |
| 14:38.35 | cahoot | wfq, dsp isn't the issue here |
| 14:38.42 | abrotman | karmatronic: uhm .. yeah |
| 14:38.45 | Danielss89 | I have a dedicated server, with working internet, and its controlled with SSH... ive installed vmware and created a new vm and installed debian.. but the internet connection isnt working, so i have to make it work.. i just dont know how or where.. |
| 14:38.46 | Optic | hey, i'm trying to get linux nfsroot working, but i'm having some strange problems |
| 14:39.00 | Optic | the nfs server is responding with ICMP port unreachable |
| 14:39.03 | cahoot | wfq, still no sound from aplay? |
| 14:39.05 | stew | abrotman: if it were installing dovecot, i'd make an argument that aptitude has gotten much smarter |
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| 14:39.11 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:39.18 | abrotman | this is just messed |
| 14:39.23 | karmatronic | Danielss89: did you enable bridge networking on vmware? |
| 14:39.26 | Danielss89 | yeah |
| 14:39.33 | abrotman | it's also trying to install SDL stuff |
| 14:39.47 | karmatronic | Danielss89: do you have DHCP server s somewhere ? |
| 14:40.00 | Danielss89 | ive tryied NAT karmatronic and then it works, but i want it to have its own IP |
| 14:40.12 | themill | I'm about to do a fresh etch install on a new laptop with a 160GB hdd. What recommendations can you make for partitioning schemes for normal desktop use? |
| 14:40.20 | Danielss89 | karmatronic dont know.. can i check on the host machine with the working internet? |
| 14:40.27 | wfq | cahoot, i can't find aplay. when i do an apt-cache i can't find it. |
| 14:40.41 | themill | I always seem to get the partitioning wrong and end up with free space on the wrong partitions after a couple of years. |
| 14:40.43 | karmatronic | Danielss89: how do you connect to the net on the host ? |
| 14:40.47 | wols_ | Danielss89: what IP do you have on the host? |
| 14:40.49 | jetscreamer | cplay |
| 14:41.03 | cahoot | wfq, alsa-utils or maybe alsa-tools |
| 14:41.04 | wols_ | themill: lmv |
| 14:41.07 | abrotman | why would a dist-upgrade install SDL stuff on a server ... |
| 14:41.07 | wols_ | övm |
| 14:41.08 | stew | themill: put everything but /boot in lvm and leave yourself a buch of room, so you can later easily grow whatver partition runs out of room first |
| 14:41.09 | Danielss89 | wols_ this is the ip of my host: 82.103.140.48 |
| 14:41.16 | karmatronic | themill: i would suggest give consequent space to /usr / and /var |
| 14:41.19 | wols_ | Danielss89: you cannot do what you want |
| 14:41.24 | karmatronic | themill: and not that much to /home |
| 14:41.24 | Danielss89 | karmatronic well its just connected... |
| 14:41.28 | wols_ | Danielss89: your ISP only gives you one public IP, no more |
| 14:41.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's not just games that can use SDL |
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| 14:41.40 | Danielss89 | ive got 15 IP's wols.. |
| 14:41.44 | jerome | cahoot: so, removing the symlink and recreating it on a placeholder script which does nothing could actually be a nice solution. |
| 14:41.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: no shit |
| 14:41.48 | wfq | cahoot, trying |
| 14:41.49 | jerome | *kh* |
| 14:41.49 | Amadeus | can someone point me to sarge netinst iso?? I can't find it on any mirror! |
| 14:41.58 | Amadeus | or just plain sarge cd1 |
| 14:42.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: nothing on the system should be trying to get SDL |
| 14:42.01 | Danielss89 | wols_ that ip was just the main IP for the host machine.. |
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| 14:42.04 | abrotman | Amadeus: moment |
| 14:42.10 | Danielss89 | i can add a total of 15 to that machine.. |
| 14:42.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: what about you find out what pulls it? |
| 14:42.15 | themill | wols, stew: the etch installer can do lvm out of the box, can't it? |
| 14:42.24 | stew | themill: yes |
| 14:42.36 | themill | stew: nice :) |
| 14:42.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: and what's trying to remove my imapd! |
| 14:42.42 | Danielss89 | karmatronic i guess its connected with wire :P if thats what you mean :D |
| 14:42.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: are you using aptitude ? |
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| 14:43.25 | abrotman | trying to :) |
| 14:43.31 | themill | wols, stew: is there any real advantage in using lvm over just one big partition then? Since it's a laptop and will only ever have one internal hard disk. |
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| 14:43.39 | Amadeus | abrotman, found it |
| 14:43.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: maybe some funny suggests/recommends ? |
| 14:43.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: try with apt-get ? |
| 14:43.58 | cahoot | jerome, just something I've seen suggested on mailing list as a solution for unwanted activation of upgraded daemons etc |
| 14:43.59 | azeem | Amadeus: where did you find it? |
| 14:43.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'll see in a minute |
| 14:44.07 | abrotman | azeem: i found r4 images |
| 14:44.18 | azeem | sarge? |
| 14:44.23 | azeem | ok |
| 14:44.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: can't wait to see you curse on aptitude :) |
| 14:44.24 | abrotman | http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/ |
| 14:44.33 | Danielss89 | any ideas wols_ or karmatronic |
| 14:44.44 | wols_ | !tell Danielss89 about vmware |
| 14:44.47 | wols_ | that |
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| 14:44.53 | wfq | cahoot, that works |
| 14:45.08 | azeem | actually, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/project/build/3.1_r5/ |
| 14:45.10 | cahoot | wfq, aplay you mean? |
| 14:45.10 | karmatronic | Danielss89: do you have a router or a modem ? |
| 14:45.12 | wfq | cahoot, when i try tu play any *.wav by using aplay then works |
| 14:45.18 | wfq | yes |
| 14:45.19 | Danielss89 | hehe wols_ .. but its the debian i have to set though? |
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| 14:45.30 | azeem | dpkg: sarge cd is http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/project/build/3.1_r5/ |
| 14:45.30 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
| 14:45.38 | cahoot | wfq, ok that means alsa is ok on your system |
| 14:45.43 | Danielss89 | karmatronic its this server http://easyspeedy.com/servers/dedicated_servers_SunFireX2100m2_a.jspx |
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| 14:46.07 | cahoot | wfq, why xmms sulks I've no idea |
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| 14:46.10 | Zap-W | dpkg -I /root/bootsplash_3.3-7_i386.deb , Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5) apt-cache show libc6 Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 ! , my glibc is too old? |
| 14:46.11 | dpkg | package /root/bootsplash_3.3-7_i386.deb , Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5) apt-cache show libc6 Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 ! , my glibc is too old is already installed |
| 14:46.25 | azeem | Zap-W: yes |
| 14:46.33 | wols_ | Danielss89: debian networking is set via interfaces. that's all you need to know: man interfaces |
| 14:46.38 | jerome | cahoot: thanks for the idea, even if it looks like a temporary hack, it might be enough for now. |
| 14:46.44 | wfq | cahoot, me neither. I have tried to log out just in case but i can't get results |
| 14:46.44 | jetscreamer | Zap-W: -i |
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| 14:46.46 | wols_ | how to do bridging with vmware is a vmware problem only |
| 14:46.49 | Zap-W | what a catastofry |
| 14:46.51 | cahoot | wfq, you *have* set xmms to alsa output+ |
| 14:46.52 | wfq | cahoot, thank you very much for all |
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| 14:47.22 | jetscreamer | Zap-W: it's 2.5-11 in sid iirc |
| 14:47.36 | Zap-W | jetscreamer, 2.3 in etch .. ? |
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| 14:47.41 | azeem | Zap-W: yes |
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| 14:47.42 | cahoot | wfq, np |
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| 14:47.46 | Zap-W | it wont work ? |
| 14:47.53 | Zap-W | have to recompile |
| 14:47.54 | azeem | Zap-W: what is "it"? |
| 14:47.54 | jetscreamer | !info libc6 sarge |
| 14:47.59 | wols_ | Zap-W: not with that package. do a backport |
| 14:48.04 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 14:48.09 | jetscreamer | !info libc6 etch |
| 14:48.13 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 (sarge), Packaged size: 4771 kB, Installed size: 15320 kB |
| 14:48.20 | jetscreamer | !info libc6 lenny |
| 14:48.23 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.5-9+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4446 kB, Installed size: 10640 kB |
| 14:48.25 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
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| 14:48.28 | azeem | jetscreamer: please /msg the bot |
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| 14:48.39 | jetscreamer | my / key is broke |
| 14:48.42 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 14:48.50 | liable | hehe |
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| 14:50.11 | themill_ | wols, stew: sorry -- if you replied to my previous question about lvm I missed it.... lagged out and then disconnected. (freenode seems to be having a bad day in Europe) |
| 14:50.13 | liable | at least i was going to buy something important.. like beer |
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| 14:50.36 | karmatronic | Danielss89: the thing is , you need a router somewhere in order for your virtual machine o get his own ip |
| 14:50.44 | massctrl | yowz, I would like to make a flexible storagebox, with 1 continious block device, and I would prefer a raid 10 striping and mirroring,... This is possible with md but it's not very flexible when I want to expand my raid with 2 new disks,.... because apparently it's not possible to expand a linux raid 10 without reformatting the filesystem. (tell me if i'm wrong) So I was thinking having sets of raid1's and unify them into 1 blo |
| 14:50.45 | massctrl | ck device using lvm2, ... any tips remarks advices |
| 14:51.03 | karmatronic | Danielss89: so if you have like a device ppp0 used to connect to internet , you re screwed |
| 14:51.09 | Danielss89 | well i guess they have a router karmatronic... can i check on my host machine, and just use the same info |
| 14:51.10 | karmatronic | Danielss89: only nat will work |
| 14:51.23 | nermals | hi, how do i set a handler for my mouse? when i cat /proc/bus/input/devices my mouse is listed but there aren't any handlers :/ |
| 14:51.24 | Danielss89 | and a different ip.. |
| 14:51.26 | karmatronic | Danielss89: who are "they " ? |
| 14:51.34 | jetscreamer | handlers? |
| 14:51.39 | Danielss89 | the hosting company karmatronic :P |
| 14:51.40 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: dealers |
| 14:51.44 | nermals | yah like input1 or event0 |
| 14:52.05 | karmatronic | Danielss89: run ifconfig and pastebin the output |
| 14:52.14 | karmatronic | Danielss89:on the host machine |
| 14:52.19 | jetscreamer | /dev/input/mice or so? |
| 14:52.21 | Danielss89 | ok karmatronic |
| 14:53.02 | nermals | jetscreamer: yeah all those are "no such device" |
| 14:53.08 | Danielss89 | karmatronic http://pastebin.ca/568415 |
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| 14:53.21 | BacalhauMan | Hey |
| 14:53.35 | jetscreamer | nermals: maybe modprobe psmouse or mousedev , but i'm not sure i understand what you need |
| 14:53.45 | wfq | cahoot, but anyway, one thing is the wifi card driver, for example, i have to load my ac'97 module and another thing is the linux sound system used as alsa or oss. Can i say the latter is the interface used so that user's apps can use the driver? |
| 14:54.15 | jetscreamer | usb mouse would be different iirc |
| 14:54.23 | karmatronic | Danielss89: if i get you right ,you re connected by ssh on the host machine, and you have root access? |
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| 14:54.35 | Moncky | hi all |
| 14:54.35 | Danielss89 | yes karmatronic |
| 14:54.51 | cahoot | wfq, sorry I didn't understand |
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| 14:55.27 | karmatronic | Danielss89: grep eth0 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:55.29 | Moncky | suppose your install totally freezes and you need to reset the box. Is there a event log you can look at to find out what caused the crash? |
| 14:55.46 | wfq | cahoot, i mean alsa are the libraries needed to give an interface to users' applications as for example xmms? |
| 14:55.57 | Danielss89 | karmatronic e82-103-140-48s:/var/vm# grep eth0 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:55.57 | Danielss89 | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 14:55.57 | Danielss89 | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 14:55.57 | wfq | in linux kernel, i mean |
| 14:55.57 | nermals | jetscreamer, ahh gracias. first time a reboot didn't automatically load the mouse module |
| 14:55.58 | Danielss89 | damn |
| 14:56.01 | karmatronic | Danielss89: to see if the host machine uses dhcp |
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| 14:56.03 | Danielss89 | http://pastebin.ca/568419 |
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| 14:56.22 | cahoot | wfq, in my experience debian enables alsas oss emulation in snd-pcm-oss - didn't this happen on your system? |
| 14:56.39 | cahoot | s/in/ie/ |
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| 14:56.53 | karmatronic | Danielss89: ok , so bridge is enabled on vmware? |
| 14:56.57 | Danielss89 | yes |
| 14:57.12 | karmatronic | Danielss89: run dhclient as root on the virtual machine |
| 14:57.29 | jetscreamer | nermals: that used to be a common bug |
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| 14:57.41 | karmatronic | Danielss89: if you dont get an ip , chances are the dhcp server filters by MAC address |
| 14:57.48 | jetscreamer | nermals: you'll need to put whatever it was in /etc/modules to get it autoloaded on boot |
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| 14:58.49 | wfq | to be honest, i have not idea how to check it. but what i am asking you is: what do you undesrtad for alsa? Is sometning between user's apps and sound driver. This is like an api for this users's apps, isn't? |
| 14:59.03 | Danielss89 | karmatronic ive msg'ed the support and they say that they dont filter by mac adress.. |
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| 14:59.31 | karmatronic | Danielss89: and dhclient eth0 from the virtual host? |
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| 14:59.47 | cahoot | wfq, alsa is the system tha provdes the equivakent of a driver for the sound card |
| 15:00.38 | wfq | so alsa emulates almost any driver? |
| 15:00.48 | wfq | sound driver? |
| 15:00.52 | jetscreamer | alsa has drivers |
| 15:00.56 | azeem | wfq: alsa *is* the sound driver |
| 15:00.57 | jetscreamer | alsa emulates oss |
| 15:01.05 | azeem | plus a programming API |
| 15:01.07 | cahoot | wfq, different cards need different alsa modules |
| 15:01.22 | wfq | ummmmmm. ok |
| 15:01.34 | jetscreamer | snd_ == alsa btw |
| 15:01.48 | Danielss89 | karmatronic: http://potterskolen.dk/error.jpg |
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| 15:02.05 | wfq | but i thought i had to load my realtek card sound driver module first of all |
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| 15:02.29 | azeem | wfq: that might be true, but doesn't seem to be connected to the question you asked |
| 15:02.36 | azeem | wfq: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:02.39 | cahoot | wfq, don't load any sond card drivers beside the ones alsa offers |
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| 15:03.42 | wfq | azeem, cahoot, i can understand know. Alsa is in itself a kernel module that acts a sound card driver for my sound-card |
| 15:03.56 | azeem | it doesn't act, it *is* the sound driver |
| 15:03.59 | karmatronic | Danielss89: you can try something that your admin wont like |
| 15:04.04 | wfq | ok ok |
| 15:04.16 | Danielss89 | hehe lets do it karmatronic :D |
| 15:04.16 | wfq | understood. thanks again. |
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| 15:05.14 | Zap-W | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) Provides: glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1, glibc-2.3.6-2 neither of the last 2 matches the dependency ? |
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| 15:06.09 | stew | Zap-W: the second two are a different package name, so no |
| 15:07.00 | themill__ | In setting up a new box, I was going to dpkg --get-selections then --set-selections on the new box, but that will mean I will lose aptitude's carefully built list of auto-deps. Is there a way to take that info across? |
| 15:07.31 | Zap-W | what is ds1 |
| 15:07.40 | Zap-W | stew, they are both libc6 |
| 15:07.47 | perplex | anyone know why i keep getting errors when trying to install pkgs? first and foremost i get a dependecy error when trying to install anything, it tells me to run apt-get -f install to fix them, but then i get an error complaining about python. I removed python2.5 and 2.4 is the default version, /usr/bin/python points to it /usr/bin/python2.4 also |
| 15:07.49 | perplex | here is the error, http://rafb.net/p/4hHAQQ78.html |
| 15:07.51 | perplex | anyone have any ideas? |
| 15:08.07 | stew | Zap-W: a package named "glibc" doesn't satisfy a dependency on a package named "libc6" |
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| 15:08.57 | stew | Zap-W: ds1 is an indication that the upstream sources were altered. usually this is because some but of the upstream tarball was removed becusae it was not distributable by debian |
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| 15:10.32 | Zap-W | Package: libc6 , Source: glibc |
| 15:10.59 | azeem | Zap-W: maybe you should be more verbose then, and explain where you got those packages from etc. |
| 15:11.01 | liable | perplex: have you searched bts for that package? i recall people having problems with that package quite a while agao |
| 15:11.05 | liable | ago |
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| 15:11.12 | azeem | Zap-W: btw, there is the --compare-versions switch to dpkg or so |
| 15:11.30 | stew | --compare-versions for two different packagenames is meaningless |
| 15:11.51 | perplex | liable: how can i stop it from installing all together? |
| 15:11.57 | azeem | stew: I think he just pasted the more convenient output, and didn't really mean glibc |
| 15:12.05 | liable | perplex: have you checked the bts? |
| 15:12.05 | perplex | he keeps saying its a dependecy |
| 15:12.11 | perplex | whats that? |
| 15:12.18 | azeem | perplex: who is "he"? |
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| 15:12.22 | liable | perplex: bugs.debian.org |
| 15:12.38 | stew | Zap-W: sure, but the source packagre has nothing to do with this. yes the source package is named the same as the virtual package that libc6 is providing, but that should be ignored |
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| 15:12.55 | liable | azeem: i think he=dpkg/apt |
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| 15:13.16 | jetscreamer | he is dpkg i guess |
| 15:13.21 | jetscreamer | what liable said |
| 15:13.45 | perplex | liable: having difficulties trying to find problems about the pkg |
| 15:14.19 | wfq | cahoot, sorry mate. The proble was i have choosen the wrong plugin as you said. I had done it but it seems to be i did not save the current configuration. |
| 15:14.25 | wfq | again, thanks. |
| 15:14.33 | perplex | python-uno_2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch1_i386.deb |
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| 15:15.34 | liable | perplex: search for python-uno |
| 15:15.41 | liable | not the whole string |
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| 15:16.26 | cahoot | wfq that explain it |
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| 15:18.20 | perplex | liable: ok, i didn't see any bugs about it giving apt issues |
| 15:18.30 | perplex | just issues within the actual python environment |
| 15:18.50 | liable | perplex: are you upgrading from sarge or something? |
| 15:19.02 | perplex | im on etch |
| 15:19.15 | perplex | i upgraded about a week ago. |
| 15:19.18 | wols_ | perplex: ls -al /usr/bin/python and dpkg -l |grep python |
| 15:19.30 | wols_ | pastebin both outputs |
| 15:19.37 | liable | and your sources |
| 15:20.00 | wols_ | oops: ls -al /usr/bin/python* |
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| 15:20.04 | wols_ | the * is important |
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| 15:21.08 | Zap-W | stew, how do you use the compare version thing |
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| 15:22.01 | azeem | Zap-W: read the manual |
| 15:22.05 | stew | Zap-W: check the exit value of something like "dpkg --compare-versions 1.2.3 \< 2.3.4" |
| 15:22.05 | azeem | Zap-W: dude, what are you trying to do? |
| 15:22.10 | blinx | anyone is using x264 to archive movies? |
| 15:22.12 | perplex | http://rafb.net/p/9pdXi656.html |
| 15:22.16 | perplex | there is the paste |
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| 15:22.36 | blinx | I need a script for mplayer how I convert mpg files to x264 videos |
| 15:23.03 | petemc | blinx: mencoder or ffmpeg |
| 15:23.07 | perplex | http://rafb.net/p/0TkvLY25.html |
| 15:23.09 | cast | you don't need a script you need to read the manual |
| 15:23.10 | perplex | revised one |
| 15:23.18 | perplex | with ls -al /usr/bin/python* |
| 15:23.42 | perplex | i removed 2.5 entirely yesterday via dpkg -L python2.5, and i rm'ed the executable |
| 15:24.08 | wols_ | perplex: you still ahve python 2.5 installed. why? |
| 15:24.20 | perplex | i dont |
| 15:24.28 | stew | perplex: you have python2.5-minimal installed |
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| 15:25.10 | blinx | petemc: it doesn't matter |
| 15:25.17 | blinx | which is the best in your opinion? |
| 15:25.23 | wols_ | perplex: and your ls output is wrong too: python2.5-minimal comes with a /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 15:25.42 | perplex | http://rafb.net/p/36EZCi67.html |
| 15:25.49 | perplex | wols_: i removed it |
| 15:25.49 | samuel | sup all |
| 15:25.58 | perplex | wols_: by hand, via rm /usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 15:26.10 | perplex | and did a dpkg -L on python2.5 yesterday |
| 15:26.10 | Zap-W | stew, and package name? |
| 15:26.18 | wols_ | perplex: doesn't matter. python 2.5 is still installed. dpkg -l tells us that |
| 15:26.21 | stew | Zap-W: what do you mean? |
| 15:26.23 | wols_ | perplex: remove it |
| 15:26.27 | perplex | i cant |
| 15:26.30 | perplex | look at what i get |
| 15:26.33 | perplex | http://rafb.net/p/36EZCi67.html |
| 15:26.54 | stew | perplex: yes, you can't install python2.5 becuase its not installed |
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| 15:26.59 | stew | perplex: err, remove |
| 15:27.07 | wols_ | perplex: that is not what I asked you to do. since you don't have python2.5 installed. you have python2.5-minimal installed. fix it |
| 15:27.08 | stew | perplex: but python2.5-minimal is installed |
| 15:27.22 | perplex | i cant remove that pkg either |
| 15:27.24 | perplex | same error |
| 15:27.29 | wols_ | dpkg can. |
| 15:27.29 | dpkg | from memory, can is question of capability, not permssion. you are quite capable of attempting anything you choose. If you're meant to ask permission instead, ask me about ask |
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| 15:27.43 | liable | dpkg: shuddup |
| 15:27.43 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 15:27.58 | perplex | ok i did a dpkg -L python2.5-minimal |
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| 15:28.13 | blinx | no one an idea? |
| 15:28.16 | wols_ | perplex: and how is that supposed to help you? |
| 15:28.21 | wols_ | blinx: you already got your answer |
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| 15:29.22 | blinx | yeah |
| 15:29.53 | blinx | but in the manual there is nothing with ffmpeg or mencoder |
| 15:29.57 | Dantix | hi all, how can I know what debian version I have installed on a server, in source.list I have reference to stable, but the server have a couple of years in production.. |
| 15:30.27 | liable | Dantix: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:30.28 | wols_ | !version |
| 15:30.28 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
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| 15:30.42 | Zap-W | stew, dpkg --compare-versions 2.3.6.ds1-13 \> 2.3.6-6 && echo "$?" > |
| 15:30.44 | Zap-W | stew, dpkg --compare-versions 2.3.6.ds1-13 \> 2.3.6-6 && echo "$?" ? |
| 15:30.49 | Zap-W | gives me 0 |
| 15:30.56 | perplex | ok, i did a dpkg -P python2.5-minimal, now when running apt-get -f install to meet the forced dependecies it keeps barfing out |
| 15:31.30 | liable | paste it |
| 15:31.30 | wols_ | perplex: pasting us the errors you get is not optional if you want us to help you |
| 15:31.35 | Dantix | liable: says 3.1, so? |
| 15:31.41 | wols_ | Dantix: sarge |
| 15:31.51 | liable | Dantix: sarge, aka oldstable |
| 15:32.01 | Dantix | wols_ liable: thx |
| 15:32.08 | stew | Zap-W: ok, so 2.3.6.ds1-13 is more recent than 2.3.6-6 |
| 15:32.24 | bintut | how can i install fxoload on debian etch i386? |
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| 15:32.43 | Zap-W | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) , dpkg -l|grep libc6 ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 , so i guess it will install fine |
| 15:33.00 | rgsteele | Hm. I keep getting error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' after moving the mysql installation to another box. So, I logged into mysql as a superuser and executed "SET PASSWORD FOR 'debian-sys-maint'@localhost=PASSWORD('mypassword');", followed by a "select Password from mysql.user where User='debian-sys-maint';", and copied that hash into my... |
| 15:33.01 | rgsteele | .../etc/mysql/debian.cnf, but I still get that error. |
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| 15:33.42 | rgsteele | I can log in from the command-line with that user, though, so I'm wondering where in this blurry line the fault lies between Debian and MySQL (or, probably more appropriately, me)? |
| 15:33.47 | Zap-W | i think that's why they deleted ver bootsplash_3.3-5_i386.deb that was for etch , ver 3.3-6 should install in etch too , 3.3-7 dosent |
| 15:33.47 | Zap-W | deletedf rom the pool |
| 15:34.42 | perplex | wols_: http://rafb.net/p/Xz2tD093.html |
| 15:35.26 | dondelelcaro | rgsteele: AFAIK, the password in debian.cnf should not be hashed; it's in plaintext. |
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| 15:35.57 | rgsteele | dondelelcaro: Really? On my working db server, it's hashed. But I'll try it plaintext... |
| 15:36.23 | dondelelcaro | rgsteele: it shouldn't be; it should just appear hashed, because it's totally random characters |
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| 15:36.52 | dondelelcaro | (being able to pass a hash as a password to mysql kind of obviates the point of hasing passwords to validate them) |
| 15:36.54 | quique- | Hi, everybody |
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| 15:37.31 | rgsteele | dondelelcaro: Yeah, very true. My brain doesn't seem to agree that Friday isn't over yet. |
| 15:37.47 | perplex | this problem is an annoyance |
| 15:37.49 | wols_ | perplex: make a bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=412470 |
| 15:38.06 | wols_ | also tell the maintainer what you had to do to not get the python2.5 warning/error |
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| 15:39.02 | perplex | ok, and how do i fix the problem that way i can install a pkg? |
| 15:39.02 | liable | hehe, you dont need to use sudo either if you are root ;) |
| 15:39.14 | perplex | heh, oops |
| 15:39.17 | dererk[work] | Folks, what do you think, isn't it a bit dangerous having R bit enabled for others in portsentry.conf file? |
| 15:39.50 | dererk[work] | I'm about to report it, but, I'm not sure if it's dangerous or not |
| 15:39.52 | wols_ | perplex: read the bug report I pasted the url for |
| 15:40.03 | lambda_ | How knowing which of all installed packages are currently python-dependant ? |
| 15:40.23 | perplex | perplex: ohh, so i have to remove all of python basically? |
| 15:40.27 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 15:40.27 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 15:41.10 | liable | wols_: i am sure i have seen more problems with that package recently as well |
| 15:41.51 | dererk[work] | jetscreamer, what do you think? |
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| 15:42.06 | liable | recently being this year :) |
| 15:42.38 | dererk[work] | liable, and you? |
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| 15:42.50 | dererk[work] | Feedback folks! :( |
| 15:42.51 | perplex | how do i remove all these python packages which depend on python-central all at one time? the solution said remove it |
| 15:42.51 | jetscreamer | i think i don't know what the R bit does and that i've never run or installed portsentry .... |
| 15:43.15 | jetscreamer | with dselect it's easy, perplex ... of course, nobody LIKES dselect |
| 15:43.49 | dererk[work] | jetscreamer, R bit, the capability for "others" user to read a file |
| 15:43.53 | perplex | when i go to remove it barfs out on me with the same error |
| 15:44.00 | perplex | as i get when i try to install something |
| 15:44.04 | perplex | at least it looks the same |
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| 15:45.02 | dererk[work] | :/ |
| 15:45.26 | liable | hrm, i blacklisted ipv6 module because my router is a piece of shit, but i keep getting in the logs that something is trying to load it.. |
| 15:45.59 | dererk[work] | does it really load it, liable ? |
| 15:46.27 | liable | no, because its blacklisted, but i dont know wtf is trying to load |
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| 15:46.32 | liable | it |
| 15:47.04 | dererk[work] | liable, Oh, it happened to me several times, it could be either bindX, or sshd, etc |
| 15:47.15 | dererk[work] | I didn't pay it attention |
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| 15:47.49 | liable | hrm, me looks at sshd.conf |
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| 15:48.13 | dererk[work] | liable, snmpd too |
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| 15:48.36 | ChibaPet | Hey, all. Anyone have an opinion for what graphics card would be optimal if I'm building a box with one of its primary goals performance-wise being a pretty experience of World of Warcraft under WINE? |
| 15:50.17 | jetscreamer | nvidia |
| 15:50.27 | sn0 | ChibaPet depending on res really, but any low-mid range nvidia |
| 15:50.30 | jetscreamer | ati is a pain to get fglrx going i hear |
| 15:50.30 | ChibaPet | Sure, for their OpenGL support. Which which one? |
| 15:50.37 | jetscreamer | nvidia |
| 15:50.47 | jetscreamer | any that is good enough for wow |
| 15:50.49 | sn0 | i have a quite old now 6600gt and it plays everything i throw at it |
| 15:51.09 | sn0 | 7600 series is plenty and not a bad price |
| 15:51.18 | sn0 | but you should really choose according to your cpu |
| 15:51.19 | ChibaPet | I'm thinking about an 8500GT - didn't know if there were any that the Lignux drivers support better than the others... |
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| 15:51.56 | jetscreamer | ChibaPet: /join #nvidia and ask ... also you can look in the docs and see what chipset is supported by which driver |
| 15:52.01 | ChibaPet | I'm also wondering if there's one that would be particularly good that's supported with the (admittedly non-free) nVidia driver package under Etch. |
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| 15:52.14 | sn0 | if you were going to go with a 8xxx series nvidia then i would go for at least a 8600 |
| 15:52.19 | jetscreamer | you have to look at the readme for the specific driver |
| 15:52.28 | sn0 | but for only WoW anything older is fine, just stay away from turbocache variants |
| 15:52.30 | jetscreamer | and check if the chipset is supported |
| 15:52.32 | ChibaPet | I've got an idea of what will run - mostly looking for anecdotes about what will run *well* :) |
| 15:52.43 | cast | any idea why this persons aptitude would be so slow? |
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| 15:52.53 | cast | it is only a 500MHz but this is silly |
| 15:53.04 | ChibaPet | DNS problems? What part is slow? |
| 15:53.26 | jetscreamer | unpacking |
| 15:53.31 | jetscreamer | compiling |
| 15:53.32 | cast | after Building tag database... Done it stalled |
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| 15:53.57 | waqjan | what's an easy-to-use irc proxy/bouncer? |
| 15:54.03 | ChibaPet | The box isn't thrashing or something, is it? What's free RAM look like? |
| 15:54.06 | cast | nc :> |
| 15:54.14 | cast | hmm loads at 2.4 |
| 15:54.51 | cast | hmm, well into the swap. doh |
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| 15:56.15 | ChibaPet | I'm going to guess that thrashing will impact Aptitude a bit. :) |
| 15:56.26 | cast | hmm, one of the pkgs aptitude couldn't find, removing that [and i removed deb-src lines] seems to have made it go good |
| 15:56.40 | ChibaPet | Thanks for the pointers, all! Looking at #nvidia, and seeing what the best driver package is under Etch. |
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| 15:57.12 | cast | man maybe i should donate this person some ram. 128MB for a desktop is a bit sad |
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| 15:57.29 | cast | sitting on my desk is 23x more ram :\ |
| 15:57.32 | waqjan | my debian machine run on 52 |
| 15:57.43 | cast | is it your desktop though? |
| 15:57.53 | waqjan | server in vmware |
| 15:57.59 | cast | ahh. |
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| 15:58.06 | cast | my xen instance is 32 :P |
| 15:58.10 | waqjan | the host has 256 |
| 15:58.38 | waqjan | xen is way more efficient then vmware |
| 15:58.52 | waqjan | but the problem is that the hd's fragmented |
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| 15:59.23 | wols_ | waqjan: irssi is easy to use |
| 15:59.38 | waqjan | but I prefer xchat |
| 15:59.46 | wols_ | waqjan: you asked for a proxy |
| 15:59.58 | waqjan | so irssi also acts as a proxy? |
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| 16:01.53 | Bogus8 | if I run lftp from a cron job (script) what .lftp/bookmarks file does it look at? |
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| 16:02.09 | Bogus8 | or should I just put in the entire site command in the script? |
| 16:02.37 | cast | heh. ran visudo then typed a whole one of j before i realised |
| 16:03.16 | plb_ | I had to downgrade module-init-tools to install vmware but now when I try to upgrade back it says dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/sbin/depmod' with different file `/sbin/depmod.modutils', not allowed...how can I fix this? |
| 16:03.34 | azeem | plb_: unstable? |
| 16:03.39 | plb_ | yeah |
| 16:03.59 | azeem | I think that's a known bug |
| 16:04.39 | plb_ | what upgrading back or the bug involving vmware? |
| 16:04.56 | azeem | the diversion stuff |
| 16:04.59 | Bogus8 | cron jobs run as "system" correct? |
| 16:05.09 | Bogus8 | or do they run as "root" |
| 16:05.23 | plb_ | they can run as a user |
| 16:05.27 | plb_ | crontab -e |
| 16:06.35 | Bogus8 | plb_: how would you do that in a script |
| 16:06.43 | plb_ | what do you mean |
| 16:06.51 | Bogus8 | I've always just symlinked to a script in the cron.daily dir |
| 16:07.31 | plb_ | I always just added the task to my crontab |
| 16:07.35 | plb_ | with crontab -e |
| 16:08.31 | Bogus8 | plb_: hmm, I need to learn more about this |
| 16:08.56 | Bogus8 | I guess I'll just put the entire site line in my script till I figure it out though |
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| 16:09.25 | plb_ | I only really used my crontab to keep xmltv listings in sync with tvtime |
| 16:09.39 | plb_ | pretty simple |
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| 16:09.56 | Bogus8 | I'm trying to just script some lftp stuff |
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| 16:10.11 | Bogus8 | rotate some files around daily with some mv commands |
| 16:10.34 | plb_ | should be fairly simple I imagine |
| 16:11.43 | Bogus8 | plb_: yeah, I was just trying to use bookmarks in it and realized it couldn't find the bookmark since cron wasn't using my user |
| 16:12.26 | N1ckR | Is the jfs filesystem decently supported (ive been warned off xfs due to this) ? |
| 16:12.53 | cast | you've been warned off xfs because its decently supported? |
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| 16:13.17 | azeem | N1ckR: no, use ext3 |
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| 16:13.47 | cast | reminds me, i have to move ~/ away from ext3. the slowness for some operations annoys me to no end :\ |
| 16:14.07 | plb_ | move to what? ext3 is lovely ;] |
| 16:14.14 | wfq | can anyone recommend me what burning app I should install. I used to use k3b (really nice) but now i don't have kde and i will have to install a lot of libraries of kde if i can get this app on my system |
| 16:14.17 | cast | if you're from the 90's! |
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| 16:14.28 | plb_ | dont' say reiser4 |
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| 16:14.53 | fluxdude | hey guys what happened to apt-config or apt-select or whatever it was that let you choose where to download your debs via an ncurses menu? |
| 16:14.57 | cast | oh, my bad, ext3 seems to have been introduced in 01 |
| 16:15.04 | abrotman | wfq: so what are you using ? |
| 16:15.04 | azeem | fluxdude: it got retired |
| 16:15.05 | cast | but ive been doing well with xfs and reiserfs |
| 16:15.13 | abrotman | fluxdude: apt-setup is gone |
| 16:15.26 | wfq | i am using xfce |
| 16:15.26 | N1ckR | azeem, that does'nt answer my question... :) |
| 16:15.33 | plb_ | ext3 is great and there are ways to improve performance |
| 16:15.56 | wfq | but at any rate, i would rather use gnome's apps than kde's ones |
| 16:16.09 | wols_ | N1ckR: it does |
| 16:16.30 | wols_ | wfq: gnomebaker? gnometoaster? |
| 16:16.44 | cahoot | wfq, plain cdrecord/wodim isn't an option? |
| 16:16.58 | cast | plb_: but why bother? |
| 16:17.02 | N1ckR | so xfs and jfs are poorly supported and the only option is ext3 ? |
| 16:17.32 | wfq | is the cdrecord's performance good to be installed? i think to remember k3b was based on cdrecord, is that so? |
| 16:17.36 | cast | N1ckR: i've never used jfs, but xfs and reiserfs are perfectly adequately supported |
| 16:17.39 | mmlj4 | *cough* reiser, if you don't mind killer filesystems |
| 16:17.48 | cahoot | wfq, most are |
| 16:17.52 | abrotman | mmlj4: not funny |
| 16:18.09 | mmlj4 | abrotman: hey, he was set up, the whole thing's ridiculous |
| 16:18.14 | abrotman | and OT in here |
| 16:18.23 | perplex | wols_: ok, i just got finish removing dozens of python-kgs and its dependecies? reportbug, python-central, libapache-mod-python, and python-uno refuses to deinstall |
| 16:18.25 | wfq | but you mean to use cdrecord form console? without graphic interface? |
| 16:18.30 | wfq | from |
| 16:18.40 | cahoot | wfq, yes |
| 16:18.41 | Bogus8 | how can I tell when cron.daily runs? |
| 16:18.45 | Bogus8 | as in time |
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| 16:18.46 | sepski | wfq, i think it's called wodim now |
| 16:18.47 | abrotman | wfq: try gnomebaker .. or graveman |
| 16:18.56 | wols_ | perplex: I won't tell you the same a 3rd time |
| 16:18.58 | abrotman | Bogus8: /etc/crontab |
| 16:19.03 | grew | what would cause xorg to try and load the GLcore module even when its not specified in xorg.conf? |
| 16:19.09 | perplex | wols_: what? |
| 16:19.12 | wols_ | perplex: neither I, not any other user of #debian is psychic afaik |
| 16:19.30 | wfq | ok, i am goin to read about all of them. thak you guys. |
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| 16:19.46 | Danielss89 | which package do i need to install to gate tracert to work? |
| 16:19.48 | noorul | does anyone know a good channel for hackers? |
| 16:19.55 | Bogus8 | abrotman: thanks man |
| 16:20.18 | noorul | abrotman: do you know? |
| 16:20.22 | abrotman | Danielss89: traceroute |
| 16:20.25 | abrotman | noorul: ? |
| 16:20.28 | cahoot | noorul, what kind of hackers? |
| 16:20.29 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:20.33 | perplex | http://rafb.net/p/xCfxlj66.html |
| 16:20.34 | abrotman | noorul: hackers of what?> |
| 16:20.39 | Bogus8 | abrotman: so 25 6 means 6:25? |
| 16:20.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:20.50 | abrotman | man 5 cron |
| 16:20.53 | perplex | i get about the same error for the other 2 pkgs |
| 16:20.59 | Bogus8 | thanks |
| 16:21.03 | perplex | i have to remove before i get rid of pycentral |
| 16:21.08 | Danielss89 | abrotman i already have that installed but tracert doesnt work.. the command doesnt excist |
| 16:21.11 | abrotman | erm .. that wasn't it |
| 16:21.16 | abrotman | Danielss89: the command is traceroute |
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| 16:21.25 | Danielss89 | ah |
| 16:21.33 | abrotman | Bogus8: man 5 crontab .. not cron |
| 16:21.39 | noorul | abrotman: ethical hackers |
| 16:21.43 | abrotman | OF WHAT? |
| 16:21.49 | abrotman | hardware? software? |
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| 16:21.53 | noorul | abrotman: discussing programming languages, paradigms, etc. |
| 16:22.01 | abrotman | isn't there a #programming ? |
| 16:22.02 | Bogus8 | abrotman: thats actually what I did... knew what you meant |
| 16:22.05 | Bogus8 | thanks though |
| 16:22.16 | abrotman | or not |
| 16:22.27 | plb_ | hrm how can I list which files a package has installed? |
| 16:22.34 | noorul | abrotman: I am looking for an active one |
| 16:22.47 | abrotman | noorul: no idea .. try asking #freenode-social |
| 16:22.47 | noorul | abrotman: where people discuss lot a about programming practices |
| 16:22.54 | Bogus8 | abrotman: why does it pick the times it pick? |
| 16:22.58 | Bogus8 | picks* |
| 16:23.04 | noorul | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:23.04 | abrotman | Bogus8: it's just the default .. you can change it .. |
| 16:23.26 | Bogus8 | abrotman: no sweat, just looking at it and wondering why the arbitrary times |
| 16:23.44 | abrotman | Bogus8: it's before many businesses start operating i guess |
| 16:23.46 | plb_ | argh isn't there a way I can just force an upgrade |
| 16:23.58 | Bogus8 | abrotman: roger |
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| 16:24.09 | abrotman | Bogus8: but for example .. i have set my mail backup to start at 1AM because it takes *forever* |
| 16:24.16 | Bogus8 | rigth |
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| 16:24.27 | Danielss89 | how can i get this info from my computer: iface eth0 inet static address 10.20.30.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 10.20.30.0 broadcast 10.20.30.255 gateway 10.20.30.1 dns-nameservers ip.of.a.dnsserver dns-search yourdomain.com |
| 16:24.42 | Danielss89 | or make it tell me what i use in the different values |
| 16:24.45 | Bogus8 | speaking of mail... anyone have a good link or something on how to script some pop3 email for logs and such? |
| 16:24.51 | abrotman | Danielss89: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:25.01 | Danielss89 | yeah but it only has 2 values abrotman.. |
| 16:25.03 | Bogus8 | I'm also thinking about scripting something that will check email and forward it based on criterier |
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| 16:25.22 | Danielss89 | something with allow-hotplug |
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| 16:25.28 | abrotman | Bogus8: fetchmail/procmail ? |
| 16:25.28 | brufar | Danielss89: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 16:26.08 | Bogus8 | abrotman: noting it |
| 16:26.23 | Danielss89 | hmm brufar what about dnsserver, network gateway? |
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| 16:26.34 | brufar | Danielss89: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:26.39 | Bogus8 | abrotman: I've never messed with email on linux yet... well Pine but that was a long time ago and just proof of concept for me |
| 16:26.58 | brufar | Danielss89: route |
| 16:27.22 | noorul | Bogus8: I use fetchmail+procmail, gnus, msmtp |
| 16:27.26 | brufar | Danielss89: if you have defined a static address for the machine. a lot of that would be configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:28.04 | Bogus8 | noorul: adding those other two to my research agenda ;) |
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| 16:28.40 | noorul | fetchmail - Fetches mail for me from pop3 servers |
| 16:28.55 | noorul | procmail - best mail filter around for gnu/linux |
| 16:29.05 | Bogus8 | awesome |
| 16:29.09 | noorul | gnus - emacs add-on for reading new and mail |
| 16:29.27 | Bogus8 | I got unlimited incoming text messages so I'm thinking of scripting a poor man's blackberry ;) |
| 16:29.29 | noorul | msmtp - a very light weighted and simple mta |
| 16:29.37 | Bogus8 | forward me just the subjects of emails and such |
| 16:29.48 | noorul | Bogus8: what do you mean by poor man's blackberry? |
| 16:29.59 | Bogus8 | ^ |
| 16:30.16 | Bogus8 | I can email text messages to my phone |
| 16:30.25 | noorul | Bogus8: I think IMAP protocol supports what you are talking about |
| 16:30.56 | Spyro_boy | yoyo |
| 16:31.08 | Bogus8 | all I have to do is email <my_number>@my_carrier.com and it will send me the text message |
| 16:31.20 | Bogus8 | I just don't want the full body because that would be messy :) |
| 16:31.20 | noorul | Bogus8: oh okay |
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| 16:31.47 | noorul | Bogus8: look into fetchmail code and try to hack |
| 16:31.56 | Bogus8 | so I'll probably just do subj and maybe a line or two from the body |
| 16:31.58 | Spyro_boy | I have a laptop here and I'm leeching my schools connection :P, what's the easiest way to install debian without CDs? |
| 16:32.06 | noorul | Bogus8: or may be you can use python to write your own code |
| 16:32.25 | noorul | Spyro_boy: apt-get |
| 16:32.29 | waqjan | Spyro_boy: usb drive? |
| 16:32.44 | Spyro_boy | waqjan, It's a fairly old laptop |
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| 16:32.51 | Spyro_boy | I don't think it can boot from USB |
| 16:33.01 | Spyro_boy | Is there a debootstrap over eth? |
| 16:33.09 | waqjan | floppy? |
| 16:33.14 | Spyro_boy | no floppy |
| 16:33.19 | Danielss89 | brufar now im just missing 2 values... network and dns-search |
| 16:33.20 | Spyro_boy | just a CD reader and one USB port |
| 16:33.39 | Bogus8 | Spyro_boy: why can't you use a cd? |
| 16:33.46 | waqjan | what's the current os? |
| 16:33.47 | contajious | Hi. I'm having trouble connecting to network with dhclient with the minimal-boot CD. Is there a way I can install minimal with dhcpcd instead of dhclient? |
| 16:34.15 | noorul | contajious: what is the error if you use dhclient? |
| 16:34.16 | valdyn | contajious: how would that solve your problem? |
| 16:34.21 | Bogus8 | contajious: how is a dchp server going to help you? |
| 16:34.23 | Spyro_boy | Bogus8, I don't have any empty CDs. |
| 16:34.26 | Spyro_boy | Only DVDs |
| 16:34.40 | azeem | Bogus8: dhcpcd is not a dhcp server |
| 16:34.43 | valdyn | Bogus8: that is not a dhcp server |
| 16:34.56 | Bogus8 | Spyro_boy: hmm, I'd find one from someone... don't they have dvd installs? or couldn't you just burn the img to a dvd? |
| 16:35.01 | Spyro_boy | actually, nevermind. |
| 16:35.06 | Spyro_boy | I think I know what I can do |
| 16:35.11 | Spyro_boy | thanks anyway :) |
| 16:35.16 | cast | Bogus8: but the cdrom wont read a dvd |
| 16:35.20 | waqjan | tell us what you do |
| 16:35.34 | Bogus8 | ah the d at the end made assume improperly :( |
| 16:35.34 | contajious | noorul, valdyn, Bogus8: dhclient brings me to my WAN network. using dhcpcd gives me the internet. |
| 16:35.45 | Bogus8 | cast: true |
| 16:35.48 | Spyro_boy | waqjan, I have a cheap old switch at home |
| 16:35.53 | Spyro_boy | I'll do a LAN network install. |
| 16:35.53 | waqjan | duh |
| 16:36.10 | valdyn | contajious: that does not make sense |
| 16:36.11 | contajious | noorul, valdyn, Bogus8: i'm on wifi and i go to a "portal" using dhclient. |
| 16:36.11 | noorul | contajious: if dhcpcd gives you the internet then what is the problem? |
| 16:36.14 | waqjan | just connect it via ethernet directly to another pc |
| 16:36.22 | valdyn | contajious: dhcp is a simple protocol, it doesnt just do something like that |
| 16:36.23 | contajious | noorul: the default is dhclient. |
| 16:36.33 | contajious | valdyn: does too. |
| 16:36.35 | noorul | contajious: you can also manually enter IP address |
| 16:36.43 | noorul | contajious: post configuaration setup |
| 16:36.48 | noorul | contajious: network setup |
| 16:37.10 | contajious | noorul: doesn't help. it won't work on manual config. do you know how I can get dhcpcd with minimal install? |
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| 16:37.28 | valdyn | contajious: you are full of shit, seriously, dhcp does not work as you think |
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| 16:37.42 | cottima | does anyone have with compaq dl360 servers? |
| 16:37.52 | contajious | valdyn: seriously, dhclient and dhcpcd are DIFFERENT. |
| 16:37.54 | azeem | valdyn: no need to call him "full of shit" really |
| 16:37.55 | tomeff | hello |
| 16:37.59 | noorul | contajious: what do you mean by minimal install? |
| 16:38.10 | contajious | noorul: minimal boot CD? |
| 16:38.19 | noorul | contajious: why dont you stop dhcp server for the LAN |
| 16:38.25 | azeem | contajious: you can't without major changes |
| 16:38.36 | noorul | contajious: I think you have two dhcpd server running |
| 16:38.44 | noorul | contajious: stop the LAN one |
| 16:38.45 | contajious | clients? |
| 16:38.46 | valdyn | azeem: blaming the dhcp client for using a different interface or somesuch is 'full of shit', no offense intended |
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| 16:39.00 | noorul | contajious: what do you mean by clients? |
| 16:39.01 | azeem | valdyn: you said *he* was full of shit, not his idea |
| 16:39.08 | azeem | that's an ad-hominem attack |
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| 16:39.14 | valdyn | azeem: hehe, point |
| 16:39.25 | contajious | dhcp client to access IP from a server? |
| 16:39.43 | noorul | well contajious |
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| 16:39.55 | valdyn | contajious: do you have multiple network interfaces? |
| 16:40.00 | tomeff | i have laptop dell Latitude CPt ,on PCMCIA slots have lan card : silicom - 16bit and wlan adapter : acer 11b . installacion not detect any one |
| 16:40.02 | contajious | no. |
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| 16:40.12 | noorul | dhclient will find a dhcp server on the network and gets the ip |
| 16:40.19 | svente | Hi. I could need some help with upsd. |
| 16:40.27 | cottima | I have a remote management controller card which I think is keeping me from starting X, just worried about removing it especially after install. |
| 16:40.43 | contajious | yes. it's the wrong IP though. and it gives the ISPs web portal. |
| 16:40.58 | noorul | what is dhcpcp by the way? |
| 16:41.05 | svente | init: cannot execute "/etc/init.d/powerfail" |
| 16:41.08 | azeem | a different implementation |
| 16:41.11 | contajious | dhcp client daemon. |
| 16:41.13 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 16:41.14 | valdyn | noorul: its a dhcp client, not special waht the dhcp features are concerned |
| 16:41.29 | svente | Of course it can´t execute powerfail, as there is no such script |
| 16:41.30 | HardDisk_WP | my xserver-xorg (current from lenny) doesnt write the "Module" section! |
| 16:41.33 | valdyn | noorul: but 'some' other features making integration with network-maanger nicer |
| 16:41.40 | HardDisk_WP | even after dpkg-reconfigure'ing it |
| 16:41.50 | valdyn | noorul: and whatever that is, its no use in an installer |
| 16:41.51 | HardDisk_WP | its weird because I need the v4l plugin loaded |
| 16:41.53 | perplex | someone help! |
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| 16:42.24 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: that's expected |
| 16:42.29 | flixil | Hello, does anyone here uses ion3? I use testing and i don't find ion3 in the repos, Is it this because of the wishes of the autor to have the packages updated every 28 days? I just say this because i see ion3 on sid. Thanks |
| 16:42.29 | tomeff | pls. help |
| 16:42.34 | tomeff | i have laptop dell Latitude CPt ,on PCMCIA slots have lan card : silicom - 16bit and wlan adapter : acer 11b . installacion not detect any one |
| 16:42.35 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: module section are no longer needed, but feel free to add one |
| 16:42.35 | tomeff | i have laptop dell Latitude CPt ,on PCMCIA slots have lan card : silicom - 16bit and wlan adapter : acer 11b . installacion not detect any one |
| 16:42.46 | noorul | valdyn: what i am thinking is, if he is getting two different IPs when he use two different dhcp client then there may be two dhcp server running |
| 16:42.49 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: 'modern' xorg.conf can be very very minimal |
| 16:42.54 | noorul | valdyn: why can he stop one and try |
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| 16:43.06 | perplex | this is ridiculous! |
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| 16:43.19 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, okay, but how can I have the v4l module loaded and still being able to use dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 16:43.29 | HardDisk_WP | because dpkg-reconfigure deletes it :( |
| 16:43.37 | noorul | contajious: how many dhcp server do you have? |
| 16:43.41 | valdyn | noorul: he could look at the responses he's getting, but the whole theory he has built up on his issue 'works' is silly |
| 16:44.15 | noorul | valdyn: I am trying to help him |
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| 16:44.24 | noorul | valdyn: may be he is new to this |
| 16:44.26 | contajious | noorul: well, i can't tell because i only have one NIC connected to the antenna. I'm lost in how many servers my ISP has. |
| 16:44.37 | valdyn | noorul: alt-f2, enter dhclient <iface> .. watch |
| 16:44.43 | valdyn | noorul: or set the ip manually. |
| 16:44.51 | lordrich | flixil: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415287 |
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| 16:45.18 | noorul | contajious: did you complete minimal installation of your debian system? |
| 16:45.28 | valdyn | noorul: i think he might have a broken dhcp client |
| 16:45.34 | flixil | Sorry, i just asked about ion3, but xchat crashed. |
| 16:45.43 | valdyn | noorul: where dhcpd 'automagically' fixes the default route or somesuch |
| 16:45.43 | contajious | valdyn: tried that. all Linux distros that use dhclient don't give me internet, but instead my ISPs portal. dhcpcd gives the internet though. |
| 16:45.48 | noorul | valdyn: but he is getting an IP address |
| 16:45.48 | lordrich | flixil: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415287 |
| 16:45.55 | contajious | noorul: yes. |
| 16:46.13 | noorul | contajious: what do you mean by ISPs portal? |
| 16:46.30 | noorul | contajious: okay tell me what is the IP that you get when you use dhclient and dhcpcd |
| 16:46.37 | valdyn | contajious: do you have a local internet gateway box? |
| 16:46.40 | contajious | noorul: my ISP probably has a VPN that routes me using dhclient. |
| 16:46.57 | noorul | contajious: i dont understand the logic |
| 16:47.19 | valdyn | contajious: you should forget your theories for a moment and try what we suggeset.. |
| 16:47.21 | noorul | contajious: dhclient will look for a dhcp server and will request for IP. |
| 16:47.47 | noorul | contajious: what you are talking doesnt make any sense |
| 16:48.03 | contajious | well, fuck. i can't suggest every distro to use dhcpcd than dhclient. |
| 16:48.12 | noorul | contajious: and also you said you have completed minimal installation of debian. then you can very well use ifconfig and set ip |
| 16:48.28 | noorul | contajious: what? |
| 16:48.30 | contajious | noorul: actually, i can't grab sources using dhclient. |
| 16:48.35 | perplex | how do i purge the apt-archive? |
| 16:48.58 | valdyn | perplex: apt-get clean |
| 16:49.06 | flixil | lordrich, oh a change of the name :) |
| 16:49.07 | noorul | contajious: what are you talking about |
| 16:49.19 | noorul | contajious: i thought you want to connect to internet |
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| 16:49.36 | contajious | nevermind. i ask how to use dhcpcd than dhclient. you say 'it works'. doesn't work on my end. |
| 16:49.42 | valdyn | contajious: i already knew trhat dhclient doesnt give you internet... we do care about the output of dhclient though, and the actual routing table you get from it |
| 16:50.06 | contajious | valdyn: and you're real smart too. |
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| 16:50.28 | valdyn | hehe, i have rarely had someone here who was as hard to assist |
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| 16:50.50 | samuel | is there a program to set my own keyboard shortcuts in gnome? |
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| 16:50.59 | valdyn | samuel: what kind of shurtcuts? |
| 16:51.05 | samuel | to run programs |
| 16:51.16 | contajious | MADE IN THE USA! |
| 16:51.19 | samuel | a key combination to run a program i want to run |
| 16:51.21 | noorul | contajious: i want to help you but i dont really know your actual problem |
| 16:51.51 | valdyn | samuel: gnome-keybinding-properties? |
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| 16:51.54 | roland^^ | hi |
| 16:51.55 | flixil | lordrich, so they added ion with a different name on etch at last? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=422527#10 |
| 16:52.03 | flixil | Or i just have to download ion3 from unstable? |
| 16:52.04 | roland^^ | can debian run well in 64mb vmware 6 machine? |
| 16:52.10 | roland^^ | ram |
| 16:52.13 | valdyn | roland^^: yes |
| 16:52.15 | roland^^ | assuming no kde |
| 16:52.22 | roland^^ | only X/fluxbox |
| 16:52.23 | roland^^ | or so |
| 16:52.39 | valdyn | roland^^: kde isnt that fat, firefox is |
| 16:52.40 | flixil | lordrich, because for what i have understood it's just a name problem, but ion seems to be still opensource |
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| 16:52.52 | valdyn | roland^^: so uh, firefox in fluxbox needs more ram than kde |
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| 16:53.20 | roland^^ | ok |
| 16:53.25 | lordrich | flixil: I haven't been following it but IIRC the plan was to rename it and then get it back in Debian |
| 16:53.30 | roland^^ | 2gb hdd is enough right? |
| 16:53.31 | valdyn | roland^^: point being, it might be about the apps you run more than the DE |
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| 16:53.48 | valdyn | roland^^: your actual screen resolution can also be quite relevant |
| 16:54.02 | valdyn | roland^^: 'to run debian', yes |
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| 16:54.55 | roland^^ | ok |
| 16:55.04 | roland^^ | i need only to run debian with basic services, for network testing |
| 16:55.09 | roland^^ | to learn some more linux |
| 16:55.16 | roland^^ | no firefox and stuff |
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| 16:55.28 | valdyn | roland^^: 64mb is perfectly fine then |
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| 16:55.36 | roland^^ | ok |
| 16:55.37 | roland^^ | thanks |
| 16:56.01 | roland^^ | i will run X and a basic window manager just to run xterm though |
| 16:56.05 | roland^^ | more xterms |
| 16:56.46 | valdyn | roland^^: 64mb can run X with some webbrowser decently, thatis >> your needs |
| 16:56.53 | Lin | there isn't jpgraph for php5 on debian etch? |
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| 16:57.07 | roland^^ | bridged networking of a virtual machine in Vmware 6 is similar to a DMZ ? |
| 16:57.12 | roland^^ | theres also NAT |
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| 17:02.25 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
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| 17:03.14 | xbaez | Lin, uh? jpgraph is a group of libraries and scripts, and i think you can use them out of the version of your debian |
| 17:03.47 | Lin | xbaez: ok. thank you. I will check |
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| 17:03.57 | lan1g1r0 | i have an mbr problem |
| 17:04.26 | xbaez | roland^^, mmh i think that are 2 different things |
| 17:04.55 | flixil | lordrich, what alternatives to ion3 do you think are good? |
| 17:05.34 | xbaez | lan1g1r0, wich problem? |
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| 17:09.36 | roland^^ | debian 4 is stuck at detecting hardware (im in low memory mode) in vmware 6 vm |
| 17:09.39 | roland^^ | at install |
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| 17:10.26 | sparr | My games that use OSS have static/clicking in the audio. I use a realtek alc883 and nvidia mcp61, onboard. it sounds like this http://sparr.homeip.net/static.ogg . Upgrading to kernel 2.6.22 didnt help. Any ideas? |
| 17:10.45 | lan1g1r0 | i installed fedora yesterday (after a week of struggling) and it borked my mbr, so i had to install another version of debian on my freespace in order to fix the mbr |
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| 17:11.20 | lan1g1r0 | but now it won't look at my customized installation's menu.lst even though i set that partition as boot :( |
| 17:11.21 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i have a small configuration problem at home, i have 4 pc, which i use for internet and other stuffs..now i wish to use them for parallel computing.. |
| 17:11.28 | lordrich | flixil: look at Larswm, ratpoison, StumpWM, WMI, and TrsWM |
| 17:11.40 | assasukasse | so i wish that when i do: ssh user@hostname, it connects |
| 17:11.43 | flixil | Do you use any of them? |
| 17:11.46 | lan1g1r0 | i had grub2 running too, which is why i want to go back to that.... |
| 17:11.53 | assasukasse | unfortunately i have to do ssh user@ip |
| 17:11.58 | assasukasse | in order to ssh into any pc |
| 17:12.02 | assasukasse | how can i fix it |
| 17:12.03 | flixil | I've been reading a discussion with the autor of ion3 and now i don't feel like using it |
| 17:12.04 | lindenle | !tell assasukasse about enter |
| 17:12.46 | lordrich | No, I know somebody who raves about ratpoison though |
| 17:12.46 | assasukasse | ops sorry... |
| 17:12.48 | Danielss89 | !tell Danielss89 about enter |
| 17:12.59 | lindenle | assasukasse: 1. edit the hosts file on all machines so they know eachothers names or make a local dns server so they can know eachothers names |
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| 17:13.26 | assasukasse | lindenle: my router shoulld be the dns server..how can i tell the machine to use it? |
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| 17:14.42 | lindenle | assasukasse: does it know about your machines internal names? man resolv.conf |
| 17:14.57 | lan1g1r0 | can anyone help me with reinstalling grub to mbr? |
| 17:15.00 | assasukasse | lindenle: i found a way in network manager, thanks anyway :D i just add the hostname there with an alias |
| 17:15.13 | lindenle | assasukasse: great |
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| 17:19.05 | flixil | ok thanks lordrich |
| 17:19.20 | roland^^ | is it ok for most linux installs to not partition my hard drive if i dont need to ? eg. have everything in / |
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| 17:19.29 | roland^^ | no performance penalties ? |
| 17:19.32 | gpm | roland^^: yeah that's fine |
| 17:19.34 | roland^^ | or flexibility |
| 17:19.43 | gpm | roland^^: well, you'll want a swap partition |
| 17:19.51 | roland^^ | ok, i do that |
| 17:19.54 | roland^^ | i have swap |
| 17:20.07 | gpm | yeah, otherwise, it's just the risk of losing a lot of data if / crashes |
| 17:20.14 | vikingr | does anybody know a subversion installation and configuration tutorial? (i searched with google, but i only get a lot of outdated howtos) |
| 17:20.16 | gpm | and dealing with massiv fs's |
| 17:20.28 | roland^^ | well if i use lvm then it makes sense to use more than one partition ? |
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| 17:22.14 | egon | hello :). i got a special problem. i got an external usb mac keyboard connected to a macbook and on this runs debian etch within vmware. i tried all the keymaps that come with debian per default. is there a place to find one that works in this scenario ? |
| 17:22.35 | egon | oh, i only use shell, no X |
| 17:22.44 | milk_inc | hello every1 |
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| 17:23.19 | lan1g1r0 | /leave happy |
| 17:23.50 | lan1g1r0 | /exit happy |
| 17:23.50 | lan1g1r0 | lol |
| 17:23.50 | egon | i ve seen a util called keymapper. how can i run this under debian? |
| 17:23.50 | lan1g1r0 | what is the command for leaving irc? |
| 17:24.07 | milk_inc | i m having problem with my pvr 150 card, the image of my video i see little small square on the image before i used ubuntu and that is not happend, also i installed the last driver and kernel 2.6.20 some1 can help me? |
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| 17:24.33 | roland^^ | does xfs have live resize support? |
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| 17:24.40 | roland^^ | or jfs ? |
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| 17:25.43 | assasukasse | the command chown -R 0:0 /opt/foo would let any user use the directory? |
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| 17:26.26 | lindenle | lan1g1r0 /quit |
| 17:26.28 | gpm | live? |
| 17:26.45 | gpm | i didn't know any fs had live resize capabilities, if that means what i think it means |
| 17:26.46 | roland^^ | resizing of disk space on a mounted filesystem |
| 17:26.57 | gpm | wow |
| 17:27.00 | gpm | that sounds dangerous |
| 17:27.12 | gpm | and like it shouldn't ever be necessary |
| 17:27.28 | roland^^ | i have such a problem in the /home partition of my server at work |
| 17:27.35 | roland^^ | its only 2gb, and i need to take space from / |
| 17:27.44 | roland^^ | and i didnt setup lvm |
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| 17:28.03 | Zap-W | what's the name of the program that sets up source.lists for you |
| 17:28.11 | gpm | apt-setupt |
| 17:28.11 | Zap-W | sources* |
| 17:28.13 | gpm | apt-setup |
| 17:28.16 | Zap-W | cant find it |
| 17:28.20 | gpm | or is it setup-apt? |
| 17:28.23 | gpm | anyway it was removed |
| 17:28.26 | Zap-W | why |
| 17:28.34 | gpm | honestly, i'm not sure |
| 17:28.35 | Zap-W | what's in its place |
| 17:28.43 | gpm | heh, synaptic |
| 17:28.48 | gpm | or vim |
| 17:28.49 | Zap-W | :( |
| 17:28.50 | gpm | :P |
| 17:28.51 | lindenle | !tell Zap about apt-setup |
| 17:29.20 | gpm | there's that mailing list message |
| 17:29.29 | lindenle | Zap-W: of course hard to install with sources defined |
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| 17:30.16 | lindenle | Zap-W: s/with/without/ |
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| 17:30.52 | Zap-W | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "apt-setup" |
| 17:31.14 | lindenle | Zap-W: gpm is right it is gone |
| 17:31.50 | lindenle | Zap-W: read that mail, you can build it from source maybe |
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| 17:32.08 | Zap-W | never mInd , not THAT importent |
| 17:32.16 | gpm | that's what i'm sayin'! |
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| 17:32.26 | Zap-W | doing chroot installation so i needed the sources |
| 17:32.29 | gpm | who needs a frontend for something a monkey could do |
| 17:32.46 | gpm | !start an editor war |
| 17:32.47 | dpkg | emacs bites |
| 17:32.50 | gpm | yes! |
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| 17:33.00 | lindenle | !emacs |
| 17:33.00 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
| 17:33.01 | Zap-W | gpm, you remember all countries repositories by heart yes? |
| 17:33.16 | gpm | Zap-W: there's a mirror list easily accessible at any time |
| 17:33.19 | gpm | ordered by country |
| 17:33.30 | gpm | it's seriously easy |
| 17:33.44 | Zap-W | ? |
| 17:33.48 | gpm | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 17:33.53 | gpm | there's your frontend |
| 17:34.10 | gpm | now, if there's an aversion to text editors, well, that's another problem |
| 17:34.56 | roland^^ | the package and terms descriptions of dpkg bot are incredibly awesome.. they sound so traditional/original/cool |
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| 17:36.27 | HoverHell | Hi, All! |
| 17:36.27 | HoverHell | How do I make deb package provide some other package for satisfying dependencies? |
| 17:36.27 | HoverHell | apt (aptitude) still tries to remove my package (of course, they conflict) and install provided when I try to install something that depends on provided. |
| 17:36.32 | gpm | dpkg: you're cool |
| 17:36.33 | dpkg | Of course I am! |
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| 17:37.14 | gpm | i can't parse that |
| 17:38.44 | lindenle | gpm: he coul use oowriter :( |
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| 17:39.21 | HoverHell | gpm: is that about my question? |
| 17:40.08 | gpm | yeah, my englissian isn't that good |
| 17:40.15 | waqjan | !start an editor war |
| 17:40.15 | dpkg | edlin doesn't deserve to be in debian |
| 17:40.23 | waqjan | !edlin |
| 17:40.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, edlin is not a line editor, it's a file mangler. |
| 17:40.30 | basix | hi is there any way i can record a TV broadcast by just Composite TV out cables? |
| 17:40.31 | HoverHell | I cant try to show more technical info :) |
| 17:40.33 | waqjan | !uh huh |
| 17:40.37 | roland^^ | !unix |
| 17:40.37 | dpkg | somebody said unix was a broad definition for a very popular kind of OS or is what the Internet was built on, or sexy, or http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/otherunix.html, or http://www.unix-systems.org/, or a gift from the gods, or http://www.scarynetworkguy.net, or http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/login.html |
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| 17:40.51 | Kevin` | I like "ed", actually |
| 17:40.52 | gpm | please stop |
| 17:40.53 | roland^^ | lol the description is wicked |
| 17:40.54 | cydork | stop abusing the bot!! |
| 17:40.58 | gpm | you can /msg dpkg if you want to screw around |
| 17:41.06 | roland^^ | i need to print this description on a t-shirt |
| 17:41.34 | waqjan | HoverHell: have you tried installing the dependency you want installed first? |
| 17:41.49 | lindenle | basix: if you have an external tuner |
| 17:42.13 | lindenle | basix: I think some vcr have tuners, that might work. |
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| 17:44.59 | valdyn | dpkg: unix =~ s/, or http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/login.html/./ |
| 17:45.10 | valdyn | dpkg: unix =~ s#, or http://catalog.com/hopkins/unix-haters/login.html#.# |
| 17:45.10 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
| 17:45.23 | cottima | I used the kde cd 1 and then told it not to use netinstall. Now I have only cd and secure updates in kpackages, I want synaptic or another package manager and access (almost) all sources. What are the usual sources or a link to a list? |
| 17:45.58 | basix | lindenle, i have a composite audio cable and a composite video cable. I can connect these cables to output to the TV. Now the back of the TV has the same kinda connectors to output to any device. So i wondered if i could somehow grab the TV screen on my laptop without a TV tuner card? |
| 17:45.59 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 17:45.59 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 17:46.45 | valdyn | basix: you have a 'video in' in your computer? |
| 17:47.00 | lindenle | basix: What comes out of the output of the tv ? Is it really a video signal? |
| 17:47.30 | valdyn | basix: that would be a framegrabber hardware. Stock pcs dont have that. |
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| 17:47.41 | basix | valdyn, i have a s-video in into the computer |
| 17:48.03 | basix | lindenle, i'm not sure what comes out of the tv. i'm pretty sure it'll be a video signal |
| 17:48.30 | valdyn | basix: composite? |
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| 17:48.48 | basix | lindenle, i have with me a composite audio cable, a composite video cable and a composite out to s-video connector |
| 17:48.52 | basix | valdyn, hang on |
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| 17:49.00 | cottima | dpkg is it okay to add unstable to the string? |
| 17:49.11 | valdyn | cottima: dpkg is a bot |
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| 17:49.17 | valdyn | cottima: which 'string' ? |
| 17:50.48 | freakerz | Hi, I have a pending install on APT-GET, and would like to remove it, since it asks to remove important packages. I want to install a new package, but that list of pending is there, so I can't proceed. Any ideas? Thanks! |
| 17:50.53 | mick_home | reminder for the Americans here: http://action.freepress.net/campaign/savethenet ;) |
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| 17:51.02 | cottima | oh, I feel dumb, and AI works nice |
| 17:51.03 | basix | valdyn, i have this http://www.ciao.co.uk/Belkin_Pure_AV_Blue_Series_Video_cable__5771695, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Video and an RCA audio cable |
| 17:51.03 | Igby | hi |
| 17:51.13 | valdyn | freakerz: paste the output of apt-get ( not here, use a paste site ) |
| 17:51.26 | lindenle | basix: If you have an svideo in try connectint the cable and trying to look at the signal with a program. |
| 17:51.36 | stew | freakerz: "apt-get install packagename" will cancel the removal of packagename |
| 17:51.40 | Igby | I suppose it's quite a stupid question, but how do I get a new wlan card recognized by the system? |
| 17:51.42 | cottima | valdyn is it okay to "unstable" on the end of "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" |
| 17:51.47 | lindenle | basix: im not sure if it will work but it is interesting |
| 17:51.50 | basix | lindenle, what program will help me do that? |
| 17:52.04 | freakerz | http://pastebin.com/929729 |
| 17:52.05 | HoverHell | I'm compiling PWlib from sources (libpt-1.10.0 in debian), and don't want to bother splitting it to appropriately named packages. But I want to install ekiga, whuch depends libpt-1.10.0 and libpt-plugins-...; How can I make builded pwlib package provide libpt-1.10.0 and some libpt-plugins-..., so that ekiga (and, possibly, somthing else), can be installing with just pwlib I builded? |
| 17:52.07 | valdyn | cottima: no |
| 17:52.08 | lindenle | basix: maybe xawtv? |
| 17:52.13 | stew | cottima: no, its not, its not valid, and its not a good idea to mix unstable and stable anyway |
| 17:52.18 | freakerz | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/929729 |
| 17:52.22 | basix | lindenle, thanks! |
| 17:52.29 | lindenle | basix: good luck |
| 17:52.36 | stew | cottima: perhaps you want /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:52.48 | freakerz | stew, look at the pastebin link i just pasted, install postfix-mysql does not cancel the prior install postfix |
| 17:52.59 | basix | lindenle, i'll check it out let u know |
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| 17:53.30 | valdyn | freakerz: well, dont do it, dont run unstable if you cant handle it? |
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| 17:53.43 | stew | freakerz: i'd recommend using aptitude |
| 17:53.59 | freakerz | valdyn, i installed roundcube with the unstable, not the postfix |
| 17:54.07 | valdyn | freakerz: so? |
| 17:54.24 | stew | freakerz: why are you removing tzdata? you don't want to do that |
| 17:54.27 | valdyn | freakerz: do you think you can freely mix unstable with testing or stable? |
| 17:54.30 | freakerz | rouncube wanted to install all those packages, so i used the talbar/gzip rather |
| 17:54.45 | freakerz | stew, thus why i'm here ;) |
| 17:54.45 | stew | freakerz: what version of libc6 do you have installed now? |
| 17:54.50 | valdyn | geez |
| 17:55.10 | freakerz | 2.3.6 |
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| 17:55.15 | freakerz | .ds1-13 |
| 17:55.42 | valdyn | freakerz: try running 'aptitude upgrade' and paste the output |
| 17:55.59 | stew | freakerz: show us the output of " apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 postfix postfix-mysql' ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:56.14 | stew | freakerz: you don't want to upgrade anyting, so don't let it |
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| 17:56.33 | stew | freakerz: the fact that it is trying to upgrade your libc6 from the stable version means that you are doing something bad |
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| 17:56.54 | freakerz | well probably the unstable source of apt-get |
| 17:57.02 | freakerz | (like valdyn said) |
| 17:57.27 | stew | freakerz: you don't want to run unstable. and you can't mix stable and unstable: /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:58.26 | freakerz | ok, i didnt mix both, i cancelled when i saw that list of errors eh |
| 17:58.26 | freakerz | http://paste.lisp.org/display/42825 |
| 17:58.35 | freakerz | that's the output of the command you asked stew |
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| 17:59.20 | valdyn | freakerz: this looks nice, remove the unstable line, run aptitude update and aptitude upgrade, see what happens.. |
| 17:59.20 | freakerz | ah, is it the apt-cache that makes those packages stay in "pending" or operations to do.. |
| 17:59.44 | basix | lindenle, my machine doesn't have a TV-in, it only has an s-video TV out and a Composite TV out. Any chance a TV out can be used as a TV in? |
| 17:59.54 | gpm | NO |
| 17:59.56 | valdyn | basix: no |
| 17:59.58 | gpm | er, no |
| 17:59.59 | gpm | sorry |
| 18:00.02 | lindenle | basix: nope |
| 18:00.07 | basix | *sigh* |
| 18:00.11 | gpm | heh |
| 18:00.15 | basix | anyway, thanks guys..! :) |
| 18:00.16 | lindenle | basix: get a pcmcia tuner card |
| 18:00.19 | gpm | that's life |
| 18:00.29 | gpm | sometimes you need to buy things |
| 18:00.45 | basix | dude, i had to record a TV program in like 28 minutes. And its pretty late here so I cant get a TV-tuner card :( |
| 18:01.24 | gpm | you could get a tivo! |
| 18:01.33 | basix | might be offtopic for this channel but isnt there some site which digitizes many channels and offers for free viewing online? |
| 18:01.44 | gpm | heh, the pirate bay |
| 18:01.46 | basix | gpm, yup i'm thinking of the same :) |
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| 18:01.56 | basix | gpm, nah, its a live program |
| 18:02.02 | freakerz | stew, http://rafb.net/p/3rTzgi12.html |
| 18:02.42 | gpm | i don't know, if i want something like that i just watch tv |
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| 18:03.07 | stew | freakerz: that looks a lot healthier |
| 18:03.09 | gpm | and if i want a download, i can usually get it off tpb or something similar, not that i download anything illegal, mind you |
| 18:03.21 | freakerz | guess i'll upgrade then |
| 18:03.43 | grendal_prime | i have some test boxes that after i do a drive system integrity check, it comes back up and hangs when initalizing the crond. |
| 18:03.47 | stew | freakerz: but wait |
| 18:03.49 | gpm | is lists.debian.org running mailman? |
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| 18:03.55 | stew | well, whatever |
| 18:03.55 | freakerz | stew, yes? |
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| 18:04.07 | stew | freakerz: what version of e2fsprogs is installed? |
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| 18:04.12 | freakerz | stew, i didnt upgrade yet, installed postfix-mysql tho, without a itch |
| 18:04.30 | freakerz | 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-1 |
| 18:04.40 | stew | oh, this is pre-stable |
| 18:04.47 | stew | freakerz: yeah, you should dist-upgrade to stable |
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| 18:05.11 | valdyn | freakerz: possibly to a 2.6 kernel first |
| 18:05.44 | stew | oh, yeah, iirc postfix under etch doesn't work with 2.4 if that is what he hass |
| 18:06.32 | freakerz | i run 2.6.16 |
| 18:06.54 | stew | freakerz: that is known to have security vulnerabilities which have been subsequently fixed |
| 18:07.00 | timma | hello |
| 18:07.14 | freakerz | ok, will do, thanks |
| 18:07.43 | valdyn | freakerz: did you follow adrian bunks 'stable' kernel? |
| 18:08.06 | valdyn | freakerz: meaning, if you did, it might be just fine to stick to 2.6.16 |
| 18:08.38 | cottima | I have problem with apt-get update http://rafb.net/p/ft0gDe15.html |
| 18:08.49 | freakerz | well, i bought a slice on slicehost, so i don't know if it is Adrian Bunks' latest kernel, haven't touched the server that much yet, no time eh |
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| 18:09.07 | freakerz | well it's 2.6.16.29-xen |
| 18:09.10 | valdyn | cottima: because you have broken entries in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:09.33 | valdyn | freakerz: right .29 is not the latest, but one of his releases |
| 18:09.41 | freakerz | ok |
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| 18:11.14 | roland^^ | how do i find out what port(s) is a running daemon using? |
| 18:11.22 | valdyn | cottima: guessing that you should replace 'etch/stable' with 'etch' |
| 18:11.32 | valdyn | roland^^: netstat -plunt |
| 18:12.08 | cottima | seems to work now, thank you valdyn |
| 18:12.12 | stew | what is that? a ubuntu xen kernel? |
| 18:12.22 | valdyn | no.. |
| 18:12.25 | stew | its bunk? |
| 18:12.34 | valdyn | at least it looks like bunk |
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| 18:14.03 | stew | roland^^: use netstat |
| 18:14.09 | ponyofdeath | hi, im getting an error of "chdir failed" when i try to rsync from an rsync server can someone help please? |
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| 18:19.47 | _crescent | hi folks, I am trying to install mutt 1.5.15 but I have problem in the usual ./configure make ... cycle when I type configure it can not find ncurses library |
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| 18:20.08 | mickky_ | hi |
| 18:20.09 | xjkx | whats that command to check if my video card supports xgl to run beryl? |
| 18:20.18 | _crescent | I have ncurses-base installed on my system |
| 18:20.33 | pickcoder | _crescent: why are you compiling mutt, when it's already packaged? |
| 18:20.47 | xand | _crescent: do you have the dev packge, and why are you compiling? |
| 18:21.41 | grendal_prime | this really sucks |
| 18:21.43 | _crescent | pickcoder, you are right I could not set it up and on the mutt channel I got some advice and wanted to try the latest version, maybe you can help me with version I already have |
| 18:21.54 | grendal_prime | i have to start these boxes in single user mode |
| 18:22.10 | pickcoder | _crescent: fwiw-> apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 18:22.11 | _crescent | pickcoder, do you use mutt |
| 18:22.17 | pickcoder | occasionally |
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| 18:22.28 | pickcoder | but how will compiling .15 over .13 help? |
| 18:22.31 | _crescent | pickcoder, may I ask you |
| 18:23.01 | dondelelcaro | _crescent: what's the bug that you're dealing with? |
| 18:23.06 | stew | xand: since debian doesn't have xgl, it likely doesn't have a command to check for xgl compatibility |
| 18:23.11 | grendal_prime | i uninstalled cron and aptitude installed fcron. Now it is still suffering from the same problem. |
| 18:23.11 | mickky_ | i need to connect from internet to a vnc servers in windows, but my router can only do a few virtual servers, i hava a linux into lan, can i redirecting 5900 port in router to a linux, create a comunication to linux/win in 5900 port and the request send to internet in transparent mode using iptables???? |
| 18:23.13 | _crescent | pickcoder, I know this maybe OT on debian |
| 18:23.19 | stew | err, not xand, whatever |
| 18:23.23 | grendal_prime | what is making these things just hang like this? |
| 18:23.29 | xand | !confuse stew |
| 18:23.29 | dpkg | No, how are my snake tomorrow, stew? shirts of the people's republic of swaziland with extra cream |
| 18:23.30 | grendal_prime | bad cron config? |
| 18:23.35 | grendal_prime | i never touched it |
| 18:23.48 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: just hang like what? |
| 18:23.50 | perplex | im pissed, i cant install anything on my system... |
| 18:23.55 | perplex | this is is ridiculous |
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| 18:24.14 | dondelelcaro | !tell perplex -about bat |
| 18:24.16 | pickcoder | _crescent: as dondelelcaro asked, what bug are you trying to sort out? if you are.. |
| 18:24.21 | grendal_prime | box comes up and boots up tell it gets to the initializing crond and then just hangs there |
| 18:24.22 | _crescent | Is that possible for me to ask some help for mutt on this channel? |
| 18:24.35 | mmlj4 | mickky_: you might learn how to use ssh to do tunneling... way flexible and definitely more secure than just sending raw data over the internet |
| 18:24.44 | grendal_prime | dondelelcaro: ever have that happen? |
| 18:24.53 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: what is the last output you see? |
| 18:25.04 | perplex | dondelelcaro: here it is |
| 18:25.10 | perplex | http://rafb.net/p/xCfxlj66.html |
| 18:25.14 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: crond doesn't really do anything when it starts, so no, I haven't. |
| 18:25.15 | mickky_ | [mmlj4] thanks |
| 18:25.21 | perplex | this was after i thought i solved my previous problem.. |
| 18:25.29 | perplex | wols_: ok, i just got finish removing dozens of python-kgs and its dependecies? reportbug, python-central, libapache-mod-python, and python-uno refuses to deinstall |
| 18:25.38 | grendal_prime | starting advanced periodic command scheduler: crond |
| 18:25.38 | perplex | that was a statement from earlier. |
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| 18:25.48 | mmlj4 | for example: ssh -C -L 5910:host_wtih_vnc_behind_firewall:5900 IP_of_firewall |
| 18:25.57 | perplex | how do i remove all these python packages which depend on python-central all at one time? the solution said remove it? |
| 18:26.15 | mmlj4 | you can use putty on the external box to set up ssh and the tunnels |
| 18:26.18 | perplex | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=412470;msg=19 |
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| 18:27.06 | mmlj4 | the -C flag is compression, an added benefit |
| 18:27.08 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: what's in the the crontab and what's under cron.d? maybe it's a cron job that's causing it? |
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| 18:27.38 | valdyn | !tell _crescent -about ask |
| 18:27.40 | epp | yo |
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| 18:27.51 | dondelelcaro | perplex: those instructions are kind of backwards; in this case, you should remove the prerm script for python-uno, and reinstall it. |
| 18:27.58 | dondelelcaro | perplex: purging python-central is not the thing to do. |
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| 18:28.10 | kritzstapf | how to show the dependencies of a .deb file without installing it? |
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| 18:28.18 | dondelelcaro | kritzstapf: dpkg-deb -I foo.deb; |
| 18:28.23 | dondelelcaro | perplex: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-uno.prerm; FE. |
| 18:29.27 | perplex | now what? |
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| 18:29.50 | perplex | omg |
| 18:29.53 | perplex | you're the man |
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| 18:30.01 | perplex | that did it, after all this |
| 18:30.20 | perplex | dondelelcaro: what is a .prerm file? |
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| 18:30.40 | perplex | dondelelcaro: how can i reinstall all my python-* pkgs back at one time? |
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| 18:31.24 | _crescent | I am trying to set up sendmail for use with mutt but when I try to send a mail , I am getting an execute error |
| 18:31.41 | perplex | i need to get more intact with my debian system |
| 18:32.04 | gpm | perplexing statement |
| 18:32.08 | valdyn | perplex: why do you think reinstalling is required or beneficial? |
| 18:32.36 | gpm | _crescent: what execute error? and why use sendmail? exim works just fine and it's simpler |
| 18:32.39 | pickcoder | perplex: you should let apt install the depends based on the top-level application you need |
| 18:32.56 | perplex | beneficial, i'd like my python-mode, numarray, bioython, scipy, etc |
| 18:33.08 | epp | because its easy for an inexperienced user to start from scratch |
| 18:33.26 | valdyn | epp: not what he meant |
| 18:33.56 | _crescent | I got a Error sending message, child exited 127 (Exec error.). through mutt |
| 18:34.22 | sussudio | killall gpm |
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| 18:34.37 | gpm | heh, i'm a zombie! |
| 18:34.43 | valdyn | _crescent: what did you change in mutt's configuration? why? |
| 18:35.08 | gpm | why not just pastebin the .muttrc |
| 18:35.29 | valdyn | _crescent: considering that mutt works fine with sendmail by default. |
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| 18:35.42 | gpm | you mean with the exim wrapper for sendmail |
| 18:35.55 | fedx_ | i tried to upgrade lvm2 via apt, but it's hanging at "Backing up any LVM2 metadata that may exist..." .... any ideas? |
| 18:36.00 | gpm | or would you call it the sendmail wrapper for exim? |
| 18:36.15 | valdyn | gpm: actually, i mean whatever he means, and i dont know which sendmail he means |
| 18:36.27 | gpm | valdyn: heh, well that's why i was perplexed |
| 18:36.49 | gpm | but i'm guessing we all mean exim, based on the events thus far |
| 18:36.50 | dkr | how come it seems random which files are gzipped in /usr/share/docs ? are only files above a certain size gzipped? |
| 18:37.00 | gpm | dkr: yeah, i think it's size |
| 18:37.05 | cottima | how do I unlock /var/lib/dpkg |
| 18:37.10 | gpm | i just use most and don't worry about it |
| 18:37.21 | valdyn | cottima: by stopping any running package manager |
| 18:38.27 | valdyn | cottima: you cant have 2 programs or 2 instances of the same program mess with package databases at once |
| 18:38.35 | pickcoder | _crescent: what is in your .muttrc for "set sendmail |
| 18:39.24 | cottima | I cancelled an install then closed it and then it reopened. kpackage would not fully load, so I went console and it said locked |
| 18:39.43 | dondelelcaro | _crescent: just move away your .muttrc; assuming you've installed some mail-transport-agent it should work |
| 18:39.51 | cottima | I did fixup in kpackage and it works now |
| 18:39.58 | valdyn | cottima: sounds like kpackage didnt shut down cleanly |
| 18:40.10 | valdyn | cottima: use aptitude btw, that's recommended. |
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| 18:41.19 | cottima | Yeah, I was trying to get synaptic and smartpm (coworker suggested it). Aptitude, huh, I will check it out |
| 18:41.43 | valdyn | uh, i would stay away from smartpm |
| 18:41.54 | rahul | aptitude is the official tool |
| 18:42.13 | rahul | it's supposed to actually work |
| 18:42.32 | valdyn | smartpm has 'features' that would be considered 'evil' in debian, i guess |
| 18:42.44 | cottima | what is not good about smartpm? |
| 18:43.07 | valdyn | cottima: that its beta software? |
| 18:43.18 | valdyn | cottima: 'apt-cache show smartpm' and read |
| 18:43.41 | cottima | oh, did not look at that |
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| 18:45.10 | cottima | it had a nice feature where it will go back a version. Coworker was in suse and searched firefox and came up with previously installed versions |
| 18:45.32 | valdyn | cottima: that's fucked up |
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| 18:45.46 | fedx_ | how do i get dpkg to revert back to an old version of a package? it's listes as "partially-configured" |
| 18:45.54 | fedx_ | *it lists |
| 18:45.58 | valdyn | cottima: it only works by luck, its dangerous |
| 18:46.01 | pickcoder | imagine going back a version of libc6 |
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| 18:46.59 | cottima | I was just mentioning a feature and was wondering if you knew of any package managers that did that. I do not need it. |
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| 18:47.19 | TrueDD | re |
| 18:47.30 | valdyn | cottima: its not a possible package manager feature because the packages do not support downgrading |
| 18:47.54 | valdyn | cottima: if smartpm or any package manager tries to do it, it will only work by luck |
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| 18:48.50 | cottima | it kept a listing and the previous package in a folder from what it seemed. |
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| 18:49.21 | fedx_ | is that a stupid question or something? |
| 18:49.53 | valdyn | fedx_: dpkg -i some.deb works in any case, downgrade or upgrade or same version makes no difference for dpkg |
| 18:50.08 | valdyn | fedx_: only for the chances of breaking something as packages do not support downgrading |
| 18:51.18 | pickcoder | why would apt hold back upgrades to packages that I've always had on Etch |
| 18:51.28 | pickcoder | it's not like they are a release older |
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| 18:51.54 | wols_ | !held back |
| 18:51.54 | dpkg | hmm... kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 18:51.55 | valdyn | !held back |
| 18:52.04 | pickcoder | I've got like 60 packages sitting there |
| 18:52.12 | pickcoder | wols_: I've kept it updated since before it went stable |
| 18:52.13 | wols_ | pickcoder: and? |
| 18:52.25 | pickcoder | why would it all of a sudden breakl |
| 18:52.26 | valdyn | pickcoder: you are actualy using dist-upgrade? |
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| 18:52.40 | pickcoder | this is an Etch install from like 6 months ago |
| 18:52.40 | pickcoder | which I keep current |
| 18:52.49 | wols_ | pickcoder: have you done what the factoid told you to do? |
| 18:52.59 | cottima | I am in synaptic and see kde but no gnome, what package will install the usual packages for gnome? |
| 18:53.00 | pickcoder | as the days go by, more and more packages are ending up in the hold area |
| 18:53.12 | wols_ | !install gnome |
| 18:53.12 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 18:53.16 | valdyn | pickcoder: so you arent using dist-upgrade, go read what dpkg said |
| 18:53.22 | ma3x | if I have stable i386 installation, should I install/boot the amd64 or i386 linux-image? |
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| 18:53.37 | wols_ | ma3x: whatever you want |
| 18:53.44 | pickcoder | I'm in the middle of an existing update at the moment |
| 18:53.53 | valdyn | cottima: aptitude install gnome |
| 18:53.54 | ma3x | what's the difference? |
| 18:54.03 | ma3x | won't amd64 give me problems? |
| 18:54.18 | wols_ | only ones I know if is possibyly SDL |
| 18:54.24 | valdyn | ma3x: how should we know? |
| 18:54.26 | rahul | if you don't have an amd64... |
| 18:54.26 | ma3x | because the packages are i386, so when I boot from amd64 image they could conflict. don't you think? |
| 18:54.34 | rahul | huh? |
| 18:54.34 | valdyn | wols_: and xfs_fsr |
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| 18:54.45 | rahul | ma3x: amd64 is backwards compatible with i386... |
| 18:54.46 | valdyn | wols_: at least that seemd to be the cause of it breaking |
| 18:54.47 | wols_ | ma3x: no we don't think. and as we all know you certainly don't either |
| 18:54.57 | ma3x | rahul meaning? |
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| 18:55.09 | rahul | meaning that amd64 is backwards compatible with i386 |
| 18:55.12 | cottima | valdyn tasks or not installed packages? |
| 18:55.14 | gpm | meaning amd64 packages will work on an i386 |
| 18:55.19 | rahul | erm |
| 18:55.21 | gpm | without the speed bump |
| 18:55.22 | rahul | gpm: other way |
| 18:55.23 | wols_ | gpm: no |
| 18:55.26 | gpm | heh |
| 18:55.31 | gpm | sorry, dyslexia |
| 18:55.34 | rahul | !penixstrike gpm |
| 18:55.34 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking gpm to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:55.35 | valdyn | cottima: uh? |
| 18:55.36 | ma3x | gpm and i386 packages will work on amd64 image? |
| 18:55.40 | rahul | THAT leaves a bump |
| 18:56.15 | gpm | i386 packages will work on an amd64, but not the other way around, if i am still sane |
| 18:56.16 | ma3x | what speed bump? what's bump |
| 18:56.25 | gpm | without the bump |
| 18:56.29 | cottima | valdyn when aptitude comes up it has a list, should I choose tasks then gnome? |
| 18:56.31 | ma3x | you're perfectly sane |
| 18:56.33 | gpm | the 64 bit bump |
| 18:56.35 | fedx_ | valdyn: how would you suggest i deal with the problem i |
| 18:56.42 | fedx_ | *i'm having then |
| 18:56.44 | wols_ | cottima: no. aptitude install <packagename> |
| 18:56.47 | rahul | who's on first? |
| 18:56.50 | valdyn | cottima: you just run 'aptitude install gnome' |
| 18:56.50 | gpm | cottima: or just install the package called gnome |
| 18:56.53 | ma3x | gpm is that bump a lot or just a little faster? |
| 18:56.56 | gpm | or gnome-desktop-environment |
| 18:57.04 | gpm | ma3x: according to steve jobs, it's big |
| 18:57.12 | valdyn | cottima: i never use plain 'aptitude' , dont ask me about it. |
| 18:57.15 | rahul | it can be big for some applications |
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| 18:57.21 | rahul | complex logic or large values |
| 18:57.23 | gpm | depends on if you're going to utilize the 64-bits |
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| 18:57.31 | rahul | gpm: it's not just the bits |
| 18:57.37 | rahul | gpm: it's also the registers |
| 18:57.40 | cottima | please do not slap me, but aptitude gets what I need? |
| 18:57.44 | wols_ | rahul: we are talking only about the kernel. the only speed gain I can see there is due to high mem usage |
| 18:57.55 | stew | sweet, its weekend time. happy friday #debianites! |
| 18:57.57 | ma3x | rahul so does it pay off to run amd64 packages or not really? |
| 18:57.58 | wols_ | cottima: yes |
| 18:58.02 | gpm | rahul: well, like donnie, i am out of my element, i've never had a 64-bit processor |
| 18:58.08 | rahul | wols_: I'm not sure how reistricted this discussion is |
| 18:58.12 | cottima | thank you |
| 18:58.18 | wols_ | ma3x: you don't want to run amd64 packages |
| 18:58.22 | pickcoder | looks like there are no conflicts with the install sim |
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| 18:58.29 | gpm | cottima: nobody's slapping you |
| 18:58.34 | ma3x | wols_ ok |
| 18:58.38 | gpm | not even wols_ |
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| 18:58.51 | ma3x | how do I invoke that screen where I can select a country and select a mirror? |
| 18:58.54 | wols_ | gpm: can I slap ma3x? pretty please? |
| 18:59.01 | ma3x | you know when you install debian it asks you |
| 18:59.03 | wols_ | ma3x: not possible |
| 18:59.10 | ma3x | why not? |
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| 18:59.12 | abrotman | ma3x: apt-setup is gone .. you should know that |
| 18:59.17 | cottima | I need a good one once in a while, HAHAH! |
| 18:59.20 | gpm | ma3x: yeah, you can only do that in d-i now |
| 18:59.29 | ma3x | abrotman so it's just there untill the installation is finished |
| 18:59.30 | rahul | cottima: that's what she said |
| 18:59.37 | gpm | nice |
| 18:59.52 | pickcoder | I'll try manually installing them one by one |
| 18:59.58 | ma3x | d-i? |
| 19:00.01 | cottima | that IS what she said, Who is ready for next February 15th? |
| 19:00.03 | gpm | the installer |
| 19:00.13 | gpm | debian-installer |
| 19:00.15 | ma3x | so how can I get the mirrors now? |
| 19:00.18 | ma3x | I don't have a browser |
| 19:00.30 | gpm | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 19:00.45 | wols_ | !tell ma3x about sources.list |
| 19:00.51 | gpm | debian.org is a useful site, if you didn't know already |
| 19:01.16 | ma3x | that's ok, but I'd still like to see the other mirrors |
| 19:01.25 | gpm | what other mirrors? |
| 19:01.27 | ma3x | not just ftp.cc.debian.org |
| 19:01.28 | gpm | those are the mirrors |
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| 19:01.33 | gpm | scroll down, dummy |
| 19:01.42 | ma3x | well there are many more mirrors for all countrise |
| 19:01.46 | ma3x | countries |
| 19:01.56 | gpm | yeah, they're all there |
| 19:02.00 | gpm | under secondary mirror |
| 19:02.00 | gpm | s |
| 19:02.01 | ma3x | it's not just ftp.us.debian.org right? |
| 19:02.01 | rahul | ma3x: is that a problem? |
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| 19:02.14 | gpm | scroll down, dummy! |
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| 19:02.19 | gpm | they're all there! |
| 19:02.22 | ma3x | where gpm? |
| 19:02.25 | rahul | lower |
| 19:02.28 | wols_ | gpm: as he said, he has no browser... |
| 19:02.37 | ma3x | ah I was reading dpkg's message not the website |
| 19:02.45 | rahul | lower |
| 19:02.49 | gpm | the website is the best place i know of |
| 19:02.49 | rahul | aaaaaahhhhh |
| 19:02.53 | rahul | oh wait |
| 19:03.03 | wols_ | ma3x: you can use your country's mirror to get a browser. then you can look at debian.org |
| 19:03.05 | rahul | the mirror list should be on any mirror |
| 19:03.06 | gpm | there's a .txt version too |
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| 19:03.18 | ma3x | where? |
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| 19:03.21 | gpm | wols_: aw, now i feel like a dick |
| 19:03.22 | ma3x | what file? |
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| 19:03.29 | pickcoder | looks like there were two versions in the repos of some of the packages |
| 19:03.34 | pickcoder | mailq |
| 19:03.38 | wols_ | ma3x: you are french, right? |
| 19:03.58 | rahul | gpm: that's what she said |
| 19:04.04 | rahul | actually, she really did |
| 19:04.06 | rahul | haha |
| 19:04.07 | ma3x | wols_ yes |
| 19:04.23 | wols_ | ma3x: do you know your country's code? |
| 19:04.28 | ma3x | fr |
| 19:04.34 | gpm | wow, two in a row. and the second was better than the first (that's what she said) |
| 19:04.36 | wols_ | wow. good boy |
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| 19:04.51 | wols_ | so now you know what to put into your sources.list, right? |
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| 19:05.16 | ma3x | wols_ ftp.fr.debian.org gives me a speed of 46 kbytes |
| 19:05.24 | wols_ | who cares? |
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| 19:05.26 | ma3x | it's supposed to provide about 1 MByte |
| 19:05.33 | wols_ | but you can use it now to download a browser, right? |
| 19:05.42 | cahoot | sue them? |
| 19:05.46 | ma3x | either that, or sis900 sucks |
| 19:06.03 | ma3x | what's a good browser for the console? links? |
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| 19:06.12 | wols_ | links2 |
| 19:06.17 | roxy_ | Hi, I am using my laptop with debian testing. I plugged in a cable to a screen hoping to have output on the laptop screen _and_ my other screen. But no output on the stand alone screen. Is there something I could do for it to work ? |
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| 19:06.39 | wols_ | roxy_: yes, enable ot. e.g. xorg.conf |
| 19:06.44 | ma3x | anyway I bragged the last few days about the time shifting on my computer |
| 19:06.51 | bintrue|work | Anyone have experience with setting up custom componets on a apt server? I'm looking for decent docs on it |
| 19:06.52 | ma3x | it was synaptics related |
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| 19:07.02 | wols_ | that was whining, not bragging |
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| 19:07.14 | wols_ | so your synaptics touchpad created lots of interrupts? |
| 19:07.16 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 19:07.16 | ma3x | when I touch the mouse/touchpad, errors are displayed in dmesg |
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| 19:07.26 | HardDisk_WP | can I have WGET dumping the whole HTTP header? |
| 19:07.37 | roxy_ | wols_: can I use dpkg-reconfigure or should I change it by hand ? |
| 19:07.46 | ma3x | wols_ exactly! |
| 19:07.46 | busfahrer | !sources.list |
| 19:07.46 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "apt-get update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:08.01 | kritzstapf | how to extract the contents of a .deb to a dir? |
| 19:08.07 | ma3x | then I got warnings like "too many ticks lost" some driver is hogging interrupts |
| 19:08.09 | kritzstapf | (not installing) |
| 19:08.24 | furrywolf | can you no longer install openoffice without installing a hundred megs of java stuff? |
| 19:08.34 | wols_ | roxy_: dualhead is always manual work. no dpkg-recomnfigure for that |
| 19:08.40 | bintrue|work | busfahrer: was that for me? |
| 19:08.48 | busfahrer | bintrue|work: Nope, sorry. |
| 19:08.53 | wols_ | kritzstapf: dpkg --help |
| 19:08.59 | kritzstapf | mkay |
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| 19:09.05 | ma3x | wols_ a better driver psmouse for the kernel should be written |
| 19:09.29 | wols_ | ma3x: you have a C compiler. get cracking |
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| 19:09.43 | ma3x | do I need discover1? |
| 19:10.05 | busfahrer | Excuse me, is every package in the repository available for all supported architectures, or are there packages that exist for architecture X but not for architecture Y? |
| 19:10.08 | roxy_ | wols_: I don't feel strong enough for that. Is there a gnome/kde gui that could help me do it? |
| 19:10.19 | ma3x | wols_ I never did programming, except for a beginning course in html |
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| 19:10.37 | rahul | html is unrelated to programming |
| 19:10.51 | rahul | that's like saying painting is a kind of construction |
| 19:11.16 | wols_ | roxy_: not that I know of |
| 19:11.37 | cahoot | it's that analogies tend to suck |
| 19:11.39 | Havis_ | wireddd: hi, I found out how to make that nvidia module work on testing with no packages from unstable :), just go to /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers and do this: gcc -shared -o nvidia_drv.so nvidia_drv.o :) |
| 19:11.42 | wols_ | busfahrer: sometimes they don't exist |
| 19:11.49 | Grim76 | Question on SSH: In ssh config there are 3 lines that refer to ~/.ssh/identity. Now can I add other lines to this such as ~/.ssh/<somename> or is there a way to have the keys in a single file? |
| 19:11.51 | wols_ | e.g. WINE isn't available everywhere |
| 19:11.56 | wols_ | or grub and lilo. |
| 19:12.11 | busfahrer | wols_: But in general, non-special packages? |
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| 19:12.32 | roxy_ | wols_: do I just need to add a screen section to xorg.conf ? |
| 19:12.38 | ma3x | do I need discover1? |
| 19:12.45 | wols_ | busfahrer: genreally, all should be available |
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| 19:12.50 | busfahrer | wols_: Cheers. |
| 19:13.00 | wireddd | Havis: ok |
| 19:13.16 | wols_ | roxy_: basically yes. that is if your laptop handles that output like normal dualhead cards no |
| 19:13.52 | wols_ | s/no/do |
| 19:13.53 | wireddd | roxy_: most likely you need to |
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| 19:15.07 | ma3x | can anyone tell me if I can purge lib/discover1. the d-i installed it automatically |
| 19:15.14 | ma3x | I don't know if I need it |
| 19:15.16 | kritzstapf | how to remove a package although pre-removal fails? |
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| 19:15.42 | sepski | ma3x, apt-cache rdepends discover1 to find out what needs it, |
| 19:15.51 | sepski | or just try to remove it in a dry run and see what goes with ity |
| 19:16.25 | wols_ | kritzstapf: paste all the output |
| 19:16.39 | ma3x | ok thanks |
| 19:16.51 | pickcoder | hrm.. this is odd.. a lot of the packages that are held back, are being installed and upgraded at the same time |
| 19:17.11 | pickcoder | more than often, though, and additional depency exists for the newer package |
| 19:17.19 | pickcoder | but it's not reported as a conflict when you simulate |
| 19:17.25 | ma3x | oh and I wanted to ask about this - when installing debian it asks me to load the module 'linux floppy' and it says that my hardware needs it. but I don't have any floppy drive on my laptop |
| 19:17.44 | kritzstapf | wols_: http://phpfi.com/241999 |
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| 19:18.29 | wols_ | ma3x: maybe you have a floppy controller already in |
| 19:18.43 | ma3x | wols_ why would they put a floppy controller in the laptop but no floppy drive? |
| 19:18.53 | ma3x | how can you connect a floppy drive then? via what? |
| 19:19.00 | pickcoder | hot-swap bay |
| 19:19.07 | ma3x | ew, what's that? |
| 19:19.09 | pickcoder | cd/floppy/battery |
| 19:19.17 | abrotman | what's a hot-swap bay? |
| 19:19.20 | ma3x | really? where you put the battery? |
| 19:19.25 | abrotman | no |
| 19:19.29 | pickcoder | though bios should not show the floppy if it's not in the laptop |
| 19:19.30 | gpm | lol |
| 19:19.45 | ma3x | what's a hotswap bay? |
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| 19:19.57 | wols_ | !tell kritzstapf about locales |
| 19:20.06 | pickcoder | some older laptops used a single bay for multiple devices, to save space |
| 19:20.25 | amphi | pickcoder: yeah, my stinkpad has that |
| 19:20.28 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkPad#Lenovo_UltraBay |
| 19:20.30 | ma3x | ok |
| 19:20.31 | kritzstapf | wols_: the locales are not the problem, i just changed them for you |
| 19:20.35 | ma3x | see you later |
| 19:20.36 | kritzstapf | (look at the first line= |
| 19:20.37 | abrotman | pickcoder: and some newer ones |
| 19:20.41 | wols_ | kritzstapf: edit the http://phpfi.com/241999 |
| 19:20.53 | wols_ | erm, the /etc/init.d/jabber-pyicq file |
| 19:21.07 | wols_ | something inside it causes the error |
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| 19:21.18 | kritzstapf | isnt there a more easy way :/ |
| 19:21.25 | pickcoder | abrotman: really? most of the laptops I've seen use USB or have cramed them all into a heavy case |
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| 19:21.55 | gpm | easier |
| 19:22.08 | kritzstapf | yep.. |
| 19:22.13 | abrotman | pickcoder: thinkpads still use them |
| 19:22.15 | wols_ | kritzstapf: there is: don't install shit from outside of debian repos |
| 19:22.20 | pickcoder | hm |
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| 19:22.24 | kritzstapf | wols_: :D |
| 19:22.26 | x_link | Hi |
| 19:22.40 | gpm | hi |
| 19:22.41 | x_link | How do I format a SATA2 disk in Debian? |
| 19:22.48 | abrotman | like everything else |
| 19:22.49 | wols_ | x_link: just like any other disk |
| 19:22.50 | x_link | Never had a SATA disk before. |
| 19:22.52 | gpm | depends on what fs (if any) you want |
| 19:22.53 | x_link | Ohh ok |
| 19:23.02 | pickcoder | big magents work well |
| 19:23.06 | gpm | heh |
| 19:23.07 | wols_ | x_link: don't forget to partition first |
| 19:23.08 | x_link | mke2fs -j /dev/sda then? |
| 19:23.11 | pickcoder | magnets even |
| 19:23.14 | wols_ | x_link: no |
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| 19:23.19 | streuner_ | hm |
| 19:23.21 | ma3x | Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts |
| 19:23.22 | x_link | hmm ok |
| 19:23.23 | ma3x | rip acpi_processor_idle+0x284/0x465 [processor] |
| 19:23.28 | gpm | x_link: you need to make partitions first |
| 19:23.28 | wols_ | well, it would work but it would be a bad way to do it |
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| 19:23.31 | x_link | gpm: Okej |
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| 19:23.42 | ma3x | warning: many lost ticks. |
| 19:23.43 | gpm | x_link: like, cfdisk or gparted or whatever you like to use |
| 19:23.51 | pickcoder | ma3x: there are some known issues with ACPI and the rtc device in the kernel |
| 19:23.58 | pickcoder | google for ACPI Linux RTC |
| 19:24.01 | abrotman | pickcoder: or did last i looked anyways |
| 19:24.02 | ma3x | pickcoder what should I do? |
| 19:24.08 | x_link | gpm: Hmm ok |
| 19:24.24 | wols_ | kritzstapf: fyi, I'm german so your changing of locales was not needed |
| 19:24.29 | ma3x | pickcoder can I disable acpi? or would that cause problems? |
| 19:24.39 | pickcoder | I don't remember the issue or what kernel versions it popped up in |
| 19:24.51 | pickcoder | ma3x: no clue |
| 19:25.01 | wols_ | ma3x: since you have a notebook, I wouldn't disable it if I were you |
| 19:25.02 | kritzstapf | wols_: anyway.. |
| 19:25.08 | Havis_ | x_link: use gparted it can create and format partitions, and also you can choose which filesystem to use ext2/3,reiser,xfs...etc :) |
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| 19:25.16 | wols_ | of course you can, but then your battery might last about 30min tops or so |
| 19:25.20 | pickcoder | I ran across it the other day helping someone out with hwclock not setting the time properly |
| 19:25.22 | roxy_ | wols_: in the monitor line of the screen section, do I reference the same monitor of the laptop's screen ? |
| 19:25.29 | x_link | Havis_: Okej, I will try. But I don't think I will manage it. Thanks!! |
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| 19:25.43 | wols_ | roxy_: afaik no,but I don't really understand what you mean |
| 19:25.58 | wols_ | roxy_: look for a dualhead, xinerama, etc howto |
| 19:26.10 | roxy_ | wols_: ok, thanks |
| 19:26.35 | kritzstapf | wols_: you know how to fake success in the initscript? |
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| 19:26.50 | wols_ | there are various ways, yes |
| 19:26.53 | ma3x | wols_ so is there some other solution? |
| 19:27.14 | wols_ | I dunno |
| 19:27.16 | ma3x | because every time I accidently slide on the touchpad, it will desync the time |
| 19:27.21 | kritzstapf | wols_: one would be enough ;) |
| 19:27.30 | wols_ | ma3x: do you still have a driver for it loaded? |
| 19:27.37 | kakarto | what package for sun java is preferred? |
| 19:27.43 | Havis | x_link: dont forget to add you partition to /etc/fstab :) |
| 19:27.51 | gpm | kakarto: you want a jdk? jre? |
| 19:28.00 | wols_ | kritzstapf: I don't support non debian software if I can help it. ask whoeve gave you that crappy package |
| 19:28.12 | wols_ | !tell kakarto about java install |
| 19:28.15 | kakarto | gpm i don't know, i want to see java in web pages |
| 19:28.16 | gpm | kakarto: anyway, it's sun-java[5|6]-[jre|sdk|plugin|etc] |
| 19:28.17 | Havis | x_link: btw, to run gparted from X u should use something like this: gksu gparted |
| 19:28.22 | wols_ | !tell kakarto about install java |
| 19:28.27 | gpm | kakarto: probably sun-java6-jre |
| 19:28.57 | kakarto | gpm thanks |
| 19:29.17 | ma3x | wols_ I did install gpm and 'psmouse' is loaded which causes the trouble |
| 19:29.30 | ma3x | wols_ you mean unload it and use another mouse? |
| 19:29.33 | gpm | dammit, that wasn't for me |
| 19:29.58 | wols_ | as long as a faulty driver is loaded for your touchpad you will have those issues |
| 19:31.14 | ma3x | ri kernel-image-2 2.6.8-16 Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386. |
| 19:31.16 | x_link | Havis: Okej, but I'm almost done now =) |
| 19:31.21 | ma3x | how do I find out the complete name for that package? |
| 19:31.51 | bintrue|work | When running an apt-get update on a custom repository I'm getting a 404 error on my Packages.gz, but I can wget the file. Any ideas |
| 19:32.16 | kritzstapf | is there a pyicqt-package that as not as crappy as the one i just removed a minute ago? :D |
| 19:32.29 | kritzstapf | wols_: thanks anyway ;)( |
| 19:32.47 | gpm | ma3x: apt-cache search? |
| 19:33.04 | wols_ | gpm: fromt he vsion numbre this is a sarge kernel... |
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| 19:33.16 | gpm | wols_: apt-cache search... |
| 19:33.34 | wols_ | gpm: do you rally think he has sarge in his sources.list? |
| 19:33.47 | gpm | wols_: no, but i want him to figure some things out on his own |
| 19:33.51 | ma3x | wols_ but I installed from old netinst cd |
| 19:34.06 | wols_ | gpm: good luck. you will be disappointed a lot |
| 19:34.07 | ma3x | wols_ and I got 2.6.18-4 then so I want to purge the old one |
| 19:34.20 | gpm | wols_: oh what's become of humanity!? |
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| 19:34.27 | wols_ | he has found out that when he asks long enough, some idiot from in here will andwer him and basically do his work for him |
| 19:34.52 | ma3x | wols_ you put things in a very rude way |
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| 19:35.11 | ma3x | what's so bad if I ask? |
| 19:35.17 | wols_ | ma3x: I call a spade a space, an idiot an idiot, and a lazy ass, a lazy fucker. do you have a problem with that? |
| 19:35.21 | ma3x | if you don't like it, then don't answer me |
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| 19:35.30 | gpm | a spade a space!? |
| 19:35.32 | wols_ | nothing is bad. what is bad how you ask and how you use the answers |
| 19:35.45 | wols_ | gpm: I'm a foruhner, I'm allowed :P |
| 19:35.57 | gpm | heh |
| 19:36.08 | ma3x | he's on crack |
| 19:36.13 | ma3x | i bet all the time |
| 19:36.30 | ma3x | but gpm thanks for the answer |
| 19:36.31 | gpm | no |
| 19:36.38 | gpm | what, apt-cache search? |
| 19:36.39 | amphi | !comfort ma3x |
| 19:36.39 | dpkg | There, there, ma3x. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:36.42 | Havis | x_link: btw, what harddrive do you use? |
| 19:36.50 | gpm | you should read the apt howto |
| 19:36.58 | gpm | under "Documentation" on debian.org |
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| 19:37.08 | ma3x | gpm yes apt-cache search I didn't think of that |
| 19:37.16 | x_link | Havis: Samsung SpinPoint 250GB SATA2 16mb cache 7200rpm. |
| 19:37.25 | gpm | there's also packages.debian.org |
| 19:37.28 | gpm | if you don't think of that |
| 19:37.35 | rahul | or aptitude |
| 19:37.51 | gpm | between those two, you can find anything you want (unless it hasn't been packaged yet) |
| 19:38.01 | wols_ | gpm: this is not an official package. it won't be on pdo |
| 19:38.02 | gpm | rahul: sometimes aptitude search doesn't find what i want it to |
| 19:38.03 | teekay_ | hello |
| 19:38.06 | ma3x | yes apt-cache search is a very good idea |
| 19:38.07 | Havis | x_link: I want to buy 500GB version of that drive :) |
| 19:38.16 | wols_ | gpm: it maybe once was if it came from a testing CD, but that is long ago |
| 19:38.20 | ma3x | but otherwise how would you display it with dpkg? COLUMNS=200 still won't show it |
| 19:38.23 | thomask | is there any way that 'apt-get source' produces a tgz/tbz with the patches - if any - applied? |
| 19:38.28 | rahul | gpm: well, the / command only searches package names, yeah |
| 19:38.41 | x_link | Havis: I will get it next week, just got this cause my storage drive got messed up. I will use this one s system disk and 500GB for storage. |
| 19:38.47 | rahul | thomask: it produces a tree with patches applied |
| 19:38.52 | rahul | thomask: just tar that up |
| 19:39.07 | gpm | rahul: yeah, the cli interface can find some stuff using descriptions, but not as many as apt-cache |
| 19:39.08 | Scurz | Is there a help for use /msg dpkg ? |
| 19:39.16 | gpm | Scurz: /msg dpkg help |
| 19:39.16 | gpm | heh |
| 19:39.25 | Scurz | Ah okay, thanks. |
| 19:39.30 | rahul | gpm: I think aptitude has finger-grained control over what fields you're searching, tho |
| 19:39.55 | gpm | rahul: yeah, well i always use aptitude first, and if i can't find it i turn to apt-cache/pdo |
| 19:40.00 | gpm | usually just pdo actually |
| 19:40.02 | dondelelcaro | actually, aptitude has the ability to search for just about anything you'd want |
| 19:40.07 | thomask | rahul: content of a patched gcc tree - though it doesn't look like gcc ... http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpp6y6bi.php |
| 19:40.16 | dondelelcaro | about the only thing it doesn't do is search for package contents, which you have to use apt-file for |
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| 19:40.42 | rahul | thomask: you're looking just in the debian/ dir? |
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| 19:40.47 | gpm | but sometimes i apt-cache search [term] and aptitude search [term] and aptitude returns nothing while apt-cache returns something |
| 19:41.01 | gpm | i'm sure i'm missing something and would be glad to be enlightened |
| 19:41.02 | thomask | rahul: yes |
| 19:41.09 | rahul | thomask: so what do you expect? |
| 19:41.16 | dondelelcaro | gpm: that's because you probably are looking for aptitude search '~dterm' |
| 19:41.21 | rahul | thomask: things that are outside of that dir to show up? |
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| 19:41.28 | x_link | Havis: Done with the disk now, now I will plugin my new motherboard =) |
| 19:41.32 | dondelelcaro | gpm: the deffault search is for package names only, not descriptions. |
| 19:41.50 | dondelelcaro | gpm: see http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s03.html for details |
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| 19:41.53 | gpm | dondelelcaro: cool. should i man aptitude? |
| 19:41.59 | gpm | oh |
| 19:41.59 | Havis | x_link: Ohh you have a whole new computer :) |
| 19:42.00 | gpm | thanks |
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| 19:42.08 | dkr | gpm: have fun in nirvana |
| 19:42.30 | x_link | Havis: hehe no, just a new SATA DVD-burner, SATA2 disk, and a new motherboard. |
| 19:42.41 | mikmorg | could someone tell me where I can find the most comprehensive manual for building deb packages? |
| 19:42.43 | x_link | Havis: =) |
| 19:42.45 | RaphaelZ | it's weird, how does guys in here see that a server is pumped up too full of users? |
| 19:42.49 | thomask | rahul: we have a problem on #D.tango with a custom gcc installation of a user - not me - that requires gcc with debian patches and are unsure were to actuall find the patched sources |
| 19:42.50 | rahul | !nmg |
| 19:42.50 | dpkg | [nmg] Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 19:42.53 | Havis | x_link: ok then I call it upgrade :) |
| 19:43.00 | x_link | hehe |
| 19:43.04 | x_link | Yeah ;D |
| 19:43.06 | thomask | rahul: http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpla6anb.php http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpp6y6bi.php |
| 19:43.10 | rahul | thomask: apt-get source gccx.x... |
| 19:43.19 | x_link | Havis: I will build a brand new E6600 system soon. |
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| 19:43.26 | x_link | Havis: Time for the mobo now. |
| 19:43.27 | RaphaelZ | we've got average loads about 0.5, but I can see the symptoms.. Apache restarts and sometimes doesn't get up, mysql makes mistakes sometimes etc |
| 19:43.31 | RaphaelZ | little things coming out of nowhere |
| 19:43.35 | x_link | Havis: See you soon again I hope ;) |
| 19:43.59 | gpm | man, being broke sucks |
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| 19:44.32 | RaphaelZ | gpm: I tried to buy a pizza yesterday with my bank card and it got rejected |
| 19:44.36 | RaphaelZ | I know how you feel |
| 19:44.55 | RaphaelZ | the pay day was today :F |
| 19:44.59 | Havis | x_link: I wanted to upgrade too, but I rly like my computer atm ;D |
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| 19:46.20 | gpm | ouch |
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| 19:46.38 | gpm | better that than an overdraw and resulting fees |
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| 19:46.52 | onur | My monitor is off if system iddle 10 minute. Can i disable this? |
| 19:46.54 | gpm | (fu bank of america!) |
| 19:47.11 | gpm | onur: yeah, i think you'll find it in man xset |
| 19:47.15 | gpm | if you're in x |
| 19:47.17 | xand | gpm: haha, all the banks here are losing shit loads of money being forced to refund such feeds |
| 19:47.21 | xand | -d |
| 19:47.29 | thomask | rahul: current build script, though it seems to use the unpatched version: http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpmml4y7.php |
| 19:47.44 | gpm | xand: whatever, atm fees will keep them afloat |
| 19:47.48 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 19:47.49 | dpkg | hmm... dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 19:48.02 | xand | gpm: we dont have atm fees unless you use a credit card. |
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| 19:48.04 | RaphaelZ | xand: how many hours in a day are ya helping ppl out in here? |
| 19:48.06 | onur | ok thanks abrotman and gpm |
| 19:48.13 | xand | RaphaelZ: why? |
| 19:48.24 | RaphaelZ | plain intrest on your magnificance |
| 19:48.26 | MolePrince | Can someone tell me what kernel Lenny runs please? |
| 19:48.34 | gpm | i think it's still 2.6.18 |
| 19:48.36 | gpm | isn't it? |
| 19:48.38 | flami | 2.6.18 |
| 19:48.41 | wols_ | yes it is |
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| 19:48.55 | jonas_larson | can't get mod_ldap to work on an apache2-2, any takers? ;) |
| 19:48.59 | xand | RaphaelZ: I don't count. |
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| 19:49.02 | MolePrince | Ok, just making sure it upgraded properly. For some reason I thought it was a 2.6.2x |
| 19:49.05 | flami | you gotta wait a lil more till lenny is less "etch" ^^ |
| 19:49.11 | xand | jonas_larson: define can't get it to work? |
| 19:49.29 | wols_ | MolePrince: 2.6.2x is available, but not default |
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| 19:49.35 | MolePrince | Also, why does uname report lenny as lenny/sid ? o.O |
| 19:49.43 | wols_ | cause it always does |
| 19:49.43 | rahul | thomask: well, that's not how building debian packages works |
| 19:49.49 | rahul | thomask: I have no idea what you are trying to do |
| 19:49.51 | gpm | testing/unstable |
| 19:49.55 | MolePrince | wols_: Oh? Where do I find out more? |
| 19:50.01 | gpm | not stable |
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| 19:50.19 | RaphaelZ | xand: make sure the hour count doesn't get *too* big |
| 19:50.26 | jonas_larson | xand: upgraded from 2.0 and get varios errors, the error of the hour is: Bad file descriptor: Could not open password file |
| 19:51.13 | jonas_larson | xand: if I put "AuthUserFile /dev/null" it gives me other errors but still doesn't work (500 error) |
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| 19:52.18 | RaphaelZ | jonas_larson: are you trying to use mod-auth-mysql? |
| 19:52.28 | xand | jonas_larson: what other errors? |
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| 19:52.32 | jonas_larson | RaphaelZ: nope |
| 19:52.43 | RaphaelZ | jonas_larson: how are you trying to secure something? |
| 19:52.46 | RaphaelZ | htaccess? |
| 19:52.49 | thomask | rahul: we are trying to build http://dgcc.sourceforge.net/ that hasn't yet got a propper build script for debian |
| 19:53.10 | jonas_larson | xand: "Internal error: pcfg_openfile() called with NULL filename" |
| 19:53.12 | rahul | thomask: so... what are you asking us for? |
| 19:53.24 | cottima | I was looking at the package search list for ltsp and did not see what version of ltsp it was. How do I find this out? |
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| 19:53.29 | RaphaelZ | jonas_larson: I've got that same error when trying to fork out mod-auth-mysl |
| 19:53.39 | RaphaelZ | I'm watching this with great intrest now |
| 19:53.45 | thomask | rahul: it is basically an extension of gcc - for that we need the debian patched sources |
| 19:53.46 | pickcoder | cottima: apt-cache show <package> |
| 19:53.49 | rahul | thomask: if it's not a debian package, how could we help you see how the debian package is made? |
| 19:54.00 | rahul | thomask: so get them |
| 19:54.05 | jonas_larson | RaphaelZ: I know, seen it on the the web. But I'm using ldap... |
| 19:54.11 | rahul | apt-get source gccx.x |
| 19:54.27 | RaphaelZ | jonas_larson: ldap? is it somehow attached with mysql authentication? |
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| 19:55.01 | jonas_larson | RaphaelZ: ? (worked before the upgrade... :) ) |
| 19:55.15 | thomask | rahul: gdc it self is basically a big patch against gcc - that has a propper package and we simply need the debain patched gcc sources like they are right before ./configure |
| 19:55.25 | jonas_larson | note to self, never upgrade on a friday evening... |
| 19:55.28 | RaphaelZ | jonas_larson: do you authenticate the users from mysql? |
| 19:55.35 | rahul | thomask: . . . |
| 19:55.44 | rahul | thomask: how many times do you need me to tell you the answer? |
| 19:55.53 | RaphaelZ | jonas_larson: have you tried to add this line: AuthBasicAuthoritative Off |
| 19:55.55 | cottima | sorry I should explain myself. It has the version for debian but not the software itself. I am trying to figure out if it is based on ltsp 4.2 or 5.0 |
| 19:56.26 | pickcoder | cottima: the software version should be part of the package version |
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| 19:57.36 | jonas_larson | RaphaelZ: thanks! That got it... (have been at this to long...) |
| 19:57.40 | F-Lelo | Hi all... I need to rename more than a thousand files from the same place to .bkp in the end |
| 19:57.47 | F-Lelo | I'm trying to use this: find *.trc -mtime +121 -exec ls -lrt {} \ |
| 19:57.57 | jonas_larson | xand: Thanks for your help, I got it now anyhow. |
| 19:58.02 | F-Lelo | but I'm stuck in here now... how do I go further? |
| 19:58.13 | xand | jonas_larson: oh good, not sure I helped much I'm afraid |
| 19:58.30 | RaphaelZ | jonas_larson: please put some inffo about ldap.. does it authenticate via mysql? |
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| 19:59.10 | xand | you auth via ldap |
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| 19:59.23 | RaphaelZ | jonas_larson: I'm trying to secure awstats, and I'm having the same errors as you are,, im just using mod-auth-mysql |
| 19:59.25 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 19:59.38 | grendal_prime | starting periodic command scheduler: crond |
| 19:59.46 | grendal_prime | machine is hanging there |
| 19:59.59 | jonas_larson | RaphaelZ: I'm using mediawiki, so that might be the case. (it is running a mysql) |
| 20:00.12 | RaphaelZ | xand: So it's not possible to use ldap to authenticate a user which info is in the mysql? |
| 20:00.17 | aadil | grendal_prime, logs? |
| 20:00.19 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: how long have you waited? |
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| 20:00.32 | matree | hello all |
| 20:00.35 | grendal_prime | several hours |
| 20:00.36 | RaphaelZ | jonas_larson: where do you pick the user inffo for the authentication? |
| 20:00.44 | grendal_prime | doesnt appear to be anything werid in the logs |
| 20:00.50 | xand | RaphaelZ: which info is in the database? |
| 20:00.55 | xand | where is the password stored? |
| 20:01.06 | grendal_prime | which log would you recommend? |
| 20:01.29 | aadil | grendal_prime, several hours! damn, i was enjoying happy hour for several hours ago |
| 20:01.30 | xand | grendal_prime: did you try pressing ctrl-c? |
| 20:01.30 | aadil | :> |
| 20:01.32 | jonas_larson | RaphaelZ: this is my conf "AuthType Basic |
| 20:01.33 | jonas_larson | AuthBasicProvider ldap |
| 20:01.33 | jonas_larson | AuthUserFile /dev/null |
| 20:01.33 | jonas_larson | AuthBasicAuthoritative Off |
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| 20:01.49 | aadil | grendal_prime, the logs never lie |
| 20:01.50 | aadil | :> |
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| 20:01.56 | RaphaelZ | xand: the password is stored at the mysql |
| 20:02.01 | RaphaelZ | as well as the username |
| 20:02.01 | aadil | screen and tail -f is nice |
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| 20:02.13 | RaphaelZ | jonas_larson: but where is the user inffo stored? :D |
| 20:02.18 | RaphaelZ | is it in the mysql or where? |
| 20:02.24 | jonas_larson | RaphaelZ: ldap |
| 20:02.26 | matree | ho to install source package in debain etch , i add entry in source.list deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 20:02.27 | xand | RaphaelZ: why do you want to use ldap then? |
| 20:02.34 | abrotman | !source |
| 20:02.34 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
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| 20:02.42 | xand | RaphaelZ: ldap can store all user details |
| 20:02.48 | RaphaelZ | lol, xand i wasn't sure what ldap was |
| 20:02.49 | RaphaelZ | ok |
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| 20:03.02 | RaphaelZ | I need to get that damn mod-auth-mysql working |
| 20:03.02 | xand | it's like a method of accessing a database |
| 20:03.04 | ma3x | I have nameserver entries in /etc/resolv.conf but it still doesn't resolve. why? |
| 20:03.07 | jonas_larson | RaphaelZ: we have ldap for all our user accounts (os/web...) |
| 20:03.10 | dareth | anybody know of a room/server for wpkg |
| 20:03.11 | xand | !ldap |
| 20:03.11 | dpkg | [ldap] TYPE /join #LDAP NOW! or a Lightweight Directory Access Protocol, see http://www.openldap.org for more information. a client/server protocol for accessing a directory service. It is a lightweight version of the X.500 protocol. http://howto.aphroland.org/, or openldap's server is available in the slapd package |
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| 20:03.38 | RaphaelZ | ok |
| 20:03.49 | jonas_larson | RaphaelZ: need to go, my better half is waiting at home... |
| 20:03.59 | jonas_larson | RaphaelZ: good luck! |
| 20:04.05 | RaphaelZ | tack så mycket |
| 20:04.12 | ma3x | as soon as I specify something else in /etc/resolv.conf than 192.168.1.1 it won't resolve. why? |
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| 20:04.18 | jonas_larson | RaphaelZ: det var så lite... :) |
| 20:04.24 | dareth | haul your ass Larson... don't keep a real live woman waiting. |
| 20:04.30 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: have you tried hitting <ENTER> to see if perhaps a cronjob is running and expecting input.. or maybe the startup script is looking for stdin input? |
| 20:04.35 | jonas_larson | leaving... |
| 20:04.36 | jonas_larson | gone |
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| 20:04.39 | dareth | unless you got her chained in your mom's basement.. then she not going anywhere. |
| 20:04.42 | grendal_prime | xand yes on the ctrl c by the way |
| 20:04.46 | xand | ma3x: how have you specified it? |
| 20:04.47 | matree | wanna install kernel source package :( |
| 20:04.50 | pickcoder | I've seen that happen on more than occasion with init scripts |
| 20:05.10 | grendal_prime | pickcoder: ive remed out all the jobs at this point |
| 20:05.24 | pickcoder | maybe it's the init script, though |
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| 20:05.32 | ma3x | xand nameserver ip |
| 20:05.36 | pickcoder | or start-stop-daemon |
| 20:05.48 | matree | but it says there is no packages :( |
| 20:07.00 | xand | ma3x: can you use that nameserver manually? "nslookup <somehost> <other nameserver>" |
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| 20:07.52 | cottima | PLEASE forgive me for asking an ubuntu question, but I would rather stay away from Ubuntu. I hear that ubuntu and its bastards, I mean, based distros have some good gui tools for lazy people like myself for ltsp and content filtering, is it possible to get them on debian or something? |
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| 20:08.29 | zinx | cottima: sounds like you might want ubuntu instead |
| 20:08.34 | wols_ | possible: sure. will we support those tools and help you get them to run: no |
| 20:09.16 | cottima | I know I am lazy, but I want to stay away. U is for Uck! |
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| 20:09.32 | Talaturen | Hello, how do I jump off chroot? |
| 20:09.41 | ma3x | xand it says no answer |
| 20:10.08 | matree | how to install package from source |
| 20:10.20 | LV-426 | does sshd keep a list of connected ssh/sftp users somewhere ? |
| 20:10.22 | matree | :( |
| 20:10.41 | Talaturen | How do I jump off chroot? |
| 20:10.44 | wols_ | matree: read the apt-get manual |
| 20:10.57 | zinx | Talaturen: walk to the end and then move forward some more |
| 20:10.58 | mikmorg | is there any way to keep 'dpkg -r' from keeping certain files around in /etc? |
| 20:10.59 | wols_ | Talaturen: your question makes no sense. english please |
| 20:11.18 | wols_ | mikmorg: yes. read the dpkg manual. look for purge |
| 20:11.36 | mikmorg | wols_: I would still like the difference between purge and remove |
| 20:11.53 | mikmorg | wols_: I would like 'remove' to only remove certain files in /etc |
| 20:12.03 | wols_ | mikmorg: not possible |
| 20:12.06 | xand | ma3x: can you ping the nameserver? or any other remote IP? |
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| 20:12.13 | mikmorg | thats silly :p |
| 20:12.16 | matree | is source package name is different from deb package |
| 20:12.23 | mikmorg | shouldn't that be the purpose of 'conffiles'? |
| 20:12.32 | pickcoder | Talaturen: exit |
| 20:12.33 | wols_ | matree: no |
| 20:12.36 | mikmorg | (however, I know that it doesn't work) |
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| 20:13.24 | mikmorg | I guess I will have to use postrm :( |
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| 20:13.51 | matree | apt-get source mysql-server-5.0 , it returns not find package |
| 20:14.04 | nofxxx | can someone help me with squid and dansguardian ? I m getting open proxy even with acl deny all... and .. if a redirect to squid port (3128) it works, but redirecting to dans (8080) give me a not found |
| 20:14.14 | nofxxx | browser error page... not some dansguardian page |
| 20:14.16 | edistar | I installed nvidia-glx and edited xorg.conf to nvidia.. I also installed the kernel stuff for nvidia... but the xserver says it can't find the nvidia module, can you help me? |
| 20:14.33 | matree | aalready i modify sources.list |
| 20:14.46 | pickcoder | matree: apt-cache show mysql-server-5.0 |
| 20:14.49 | pickcoder | look at the Source: tag |
| 20:15.15 | wols_ | edistar: lenny or sid? |
| 20:15.16 | Grim76 | LV-426: are you looking for who has logged in or whois logged? |
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| 20:15.33 | edistar | lenny |
| 20:15.40 | wols_ | !btssmite edistar |
| 20:15.50 | mikmorg | One thing I don't understand... why would dkms keep init files around after a remove? isn't that broken? |
| 20:16.21 | edistar | sorry.. |
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| 20:16.27 | talaturen | Hello, I followed a tutorial which got me to do: chroot /var/sid-i386~something/, how do I chroot back to normal? |
| 20:16.28 | DarthJesus | http://mediaplague.com/logs/index.php?url=about%20autism%20and%20about%20schizophrenia |
| 20:16.32 | mikmorg | s/dkms/dpkg |
| 20:16.40 | DarthJesus | please spread around :| |
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| 20:16.50 | wols_ | DarthJesus: fuck off |
| 20:16.58 | wols_ | asshole spammer |
| 20:17.05 | zinx | jargon: take your meds |
| 20:17.11 | talaturen | wols_, you understand my question now? :/ |
| 20:17.16 | matree | pickcoder:it says already installed , but i wanna source too |
| 20:17.20 | streuner_ | wols_: !ops DArthjesus is enough |
| 20:17.21 | pickcoder | talaturen: exit |
| 20:17.29 | DarthJesus | zinx maybe you should read the article :| |
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| 20:17.32 | pickcoder | matree: apt-cache source <source package name> |
| 20:17.33 | wols_ | streuner_: but less satisfying |
| 20:17.35 | edistar | so people running unstable are left alone? just want to know.. |
| 20:17.39 | zinx | jargon: maybe i don't need to? |
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| 20:17.46 | talaturen | pickcoder, I just type exit and I'm back to normal? |
| 20:17.50 | streuner_ | get a box-sack and hit 1000 times on that one |
| 20:18.02 | pickcoder | talaturen: your shell will be, I don't know about you |
| 20:18.08 | wols_ | edistar: people running unstable or testing either know what BTS is and use it or they don't have any business running it |
| 20:18.35 | matree | pickcoder:is source package name is diff from binary onw |
| 20:18.47 | pickcoder | matree: did you read me statements? |
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| 20:18.50 | pickcoder | s/me/my |
| 20:18.54 | edistar | yes, but how do I know if it's a bug? could just be stupid me making mistakes... |
| 20:19.01 | wols_ | matree: you didn't do what pickcoder told you to do |
| 20:19.09 | pickcoder | look at the Source: tag in the apt-cache show command |
| 20:19.14 | pickcoder | that will tell you which source package to grab |
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| 20:19.35 | wols_ | edistar: your stupid mistake was not looking at BTS. have you remedied that stupid mistake of yours yet? |
| 20:19.49 | edistar | I am busy at it now |
| 20:20.13 | N1ckR | apart from the dir_index option, are there any other decent ext3 tuning options, Ive read mixed reports about enabling data journalling as well. |
| 20:20.51 | roxy_ | I have a serial port in which a screen is plugged in. How do I know the BudId for it ? |
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| 20:21.35 | matree | pickcoder:thanks , it starts downloading |
| 20:21.37 | wols_ | roxy_: huh? |
| 20:21.49 | matree | :) |
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| 20:22.36 | loupgaroublond | hi, i'm having a problem with dh_make not recognizing the directory name that's being run in |
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| 20:25.01 | roxy_ | wols_: in xorg.conf , I define a device with BusId. How do I know which value to put ? |
| 20:25.43 | gsforte | Magnus king sais redhat/novell should show appreciation for what we code... |
| 20:25.59 | gsforte | We code for the public |
| 20:26.29 | keith4 | roxy_: BusID can be found in the output of lspci... but i don't think that will help you |
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| 20:27.00 | roxy_ | keith4: yes, Have been there already, but can't find meaningfull info. |
| 20:27.09 | dkr | roxy_: perhaps you can just use the serial device, e.g. /dev/ttyS0 |
| 20:27.14 | MolePrince | How do I install a 2.6.2x kernel under Lenny please? |
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| 20:27.32 | keith4 | roxy_: you're trying to use X over a serial port? i don't understand |
| 20:27.39 | gsforte | Before i go have sex with a few ladies should compensate Europes efforts: This comes to a total ripoff (Hand over the billions bitches:) |
| 20:27.58 | LV-426 | Grim76, whois ... i manage to see it with netstat, just figured is would be useful for users connected with no tty... |
| 20:28.06 | gsforte | BILLIONS |
| 20:28.16 | dkr | gsforte: don't forget your medication |
| 20:28.24 | keith4 | MolePrince: 'apt-cache search linux-image' |
| 20:28.33 | gsforte | dkr: i dont take any nor will i ever |
| 20:28.47 | gsforte | Using yourt medz would be suicide |
| 20:28.48 | wols_ | roxy_: lspci |
| 20:28.57 | aeshyamae | is there a driver for motorola sm56 dialup modem?i tried a lott saw somewhere that they droped the project..there are drivers for 2.4 kernel but they are not working for 2.6 |
| 20:29.09 | grendal_prime | ok now this is werid |
| 20:29.17 | keith4 | aeshyamae: is that a winmodem? |
| 20:29.28 | gsforte | dkr: Work with people instead of killing them |
| 20:29.29 | aeshyamae | yaya very much |
| 20:29.33 | grendal_prime | i let one of the machines just run...and it eventurally did get past the cron tab init..but i have no idea how long it took |
| 20:29.33 | wols_ | gsforte: do you have a debian related question or want to help someone else with one? |
| 20:29.50 | gsforte | wols_: No im just a coder |
| 20:29.55 | MolePrince | keith4: Thank you. :) |
| 20:30.04 | wols_ | gsforte: then leave this channel if you can't stop trolling please |
| 20:30.05 | dkr | gsforte: I just see you spamming silliness on multiple channels. if you ask for help, I'll help. :) |
| 20:30.24 | gsforte | wols_: BLOW ME LAMER |
| 20:30.25 | aeshyamae | keith4:ooo i what i said is a mistake i think it should not be the driver cd contains driver rpms |
| 20:30.32 | gsforte | Code something |
| 20:30.36 | wols_ | !ops gsforte is trolling |
| 20:30.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: gsforte is trolling |
| 20:30.46 | MolePrince | keith4: I try installing and it says no candidate version found for linux-image-2.6.20-1-686 :( |
| 20:30.55 | gsforte | wols_: dude: youre shit worth |
| 20:31.01 | keith4 | is there such a package? i'm not running lenny |
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| 20:31.07 | gsforte | wols_: get real |
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| 20:31.25 | MolePrince | keith4: I can apt cache search and apt cache show it, just not install.. |
| 20:31.29 | wols_ | thank you |
| 20:31.37 | keith4 | MolePrince: did you update first? |
| 20:31.46 | wols_ | MolePrince: apt-cache policy it |
| 20:32.10 | aeshyamae | keith4:the cd have driver rpms for old redhat versions and AFAIK those are not working in 2.6 kernel |
| 20:32.23 | MolePrince | wols_: It says installed none and candidate none. |
| 20:32.29 | ma3x | are there mirrors to security.debian.org? |
| 20:32.32 | ma3x | it seems so slow |
| 20:32.43 | aeshyamae | keith4:no way if its a winmodem? |
| 20:32.46 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: are you sure it's crond and not potentially the next init script in the list? |
| 20:33.03 | keith4 | aeshyamae: you're at the mercy of whoever was writing that driver |
| 20:33.14 | wols_ | MolePrince: then that package does not exist. pdo agrees with that too |
| 20:33.15 | keith4 | you can ebay a real modem for like $5 though |
| 20:33.32 | MolePrince | wols_: Why does it show up in my list then? |
| 20:33.34 | loupgaroublond | dh_make is giving me an error where when the pwd is 'smolt-HGdate' it tells me that the directory name is invalid, and that i should switch to the source directory, which is actually where I already am. is there a better way to tell dh_make what the source directory is? |
| 20:34.03 | wols_ | MolePrince: no clue. but it's not in debian. dunno what package files you have |
| 20:34.06 | aeshyamae | keith4:ya i am having broadband here many of my friends fell in the hands of that nasty people |
| 20:34.21 | keith4 | say again? |
| 20:34.29 | wols_ | loupgaroublond: is there a debian/ directory? |
| 20:34.34 | MolePrince | wols_: Just did an update and dist-upgrade to Lenny an hour ago, that's all the deb sources in my apt listing. |
| 20:35.01 | wols_ | MolePrince: pastebin the apt-cache show please |
| 20:35.07 | keith4 | loupgaroublond: have you used dh-make before? |
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| 20:35.46 | aeshyamae | keith4:my friends bought modems with motorola sm56 chip init and i cant find a way to configure it in debian or any gnu/linux |
| 20:36.04 | loupgaroublond | wols_, no |
| 20:36.05 | loupgaroublond | keith4, no |
| 20:36.18 | wols_ | loupgaroublond: then why do you think you could use dh-make? |
| 20:36.21 | loupgaroublond | i'm reading a guide that explains this is the first step which will create a debian for me |
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| 20:37.19 | ma3x | is there mirror for security? |
| 20:37.33 | wols_ | no |
| 20:37.51 | poli | ma3x: some mirrors do have a /security but as a rule you should consider them not to be up-to-date. |
| 20:38.00 | ma3x | ok thanks |
| 20:38.00 | poli | *should NOT |
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| 20:38.42 | loupgaroublond | wols_, is there a program to autogen the debian/ directory? |
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| 20:39.20 | wols_ | loupgaroublond: ignore me. I misread |
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| 20:41.18 | pickcoder | loupgaroublond: dpkg-source maybe? |
| 20:41.59 | Zap-W | what's the openoffice channel |
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| 20:42.09 | Zap-W | openoffice in etch dosent have support for fontconfig |
| 20:42.20 | streuner | there is one, but there are only a few people there |
| 20:43.07 | MolePrince | wols_: pastebin.ca doesn't seem to work for me, it isn't loading. I tried piping the output as instructed in /msg dpkg pastebin pipe and it gives a progress bar to 100% then does nothing. I am on a text terminal and cannot cut and paste normally. |
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| 20:44.36 | wols_ | !tell MolePrince about pastewithoutx |
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| 20:46.52 | Supaplex | MolePrince: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 20:46.53 | w0jtas | hi , i always have info that packages are not verified, how can i fix it ? |
| 20:47.01 | keith4 | install gnupg |
| 20:47.07 | Supaplex | MolePrince: gpm not working? |
| 20:47.15 | Supaplex | !teoo w0jtas about etch key |
| 20:47.20 | Supaplex | !tell w0jtas about etch key |
| 20:48.03 | MolePrince | locate sources. |
| 20:49.04 | loupgaroublond | pickcoder, no to that too, that assumes the package is already set up |
| 20:49.27 | loupgaroublond | i'm reading the instructions in the debian new maintainers guide, but they don't seem to be working |
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| 20:49.44 | rollerskatejamms | How can I force an interface to operate at 100baseT full duplex |
| 20:50.48 | wols_ | rollerskatejamms: depending on driver with ethtool or mii-tool |
| 20:50.48 | Danielss89 | "skat" er noget man finder på bunden af havet. IKKE en person! |
| 20:51.31 | streuner | Danielss89: please talk english |
| 20:51.49 | keith4 | type, too |
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| 20:51.58 | rollerskatejamms | wols_, realtek |
| 20:52.04 | keith4 | !de |
| 20:52.04 | dpkg | well, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 20:52.15 | keith4 | (was that german?) |
| 20:52.21 | streuner | no, danish |
| 20:52.24 | amphi | keith4: no |
| 20:52.29 | wols_ | keith4: no |
| 20:52.32 | keith4 | <--- ignorant american |
| 20:52.56 | keith4 | i can recognize the "romance" languages, though |
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| 20:53.10 | Intsarts | why is debian good for? |
| 20:53.19 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrr |
| 20:53.20 | xand | ? |
| 20:53.21 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.22 | grendal_prime | its still doing it |
| 20:53.36 | grendal_prime | it initiates crond for a loooooong as time |
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| 20:54.12 | grendal_prime | this happend after i had an integrity check on the drive..found some problems cleaned them and no..it does this every time |
| 20:54.22 | streuner | keith4: you might laughing at that, but italian people speak very well german |
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| 20:54.42 | keith4 | no laughing |
| 20:55.10 | keith4 | i can get by with spanish, and read a bit of italian, portugeuse, french, etc |
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| 20:56.10 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: have you temp removed cron from startup to see if it's crond? |
| 20:56.13 | smhar | hello |
| 20:56.13 | smhar | what version of gnome is in lenny now? |
| 20:56.17 | MolePrince | nm, figured it out, had some cruft leftover from a builderserver.net source |
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| 20:56.26 | MolePrince | buildserver.net even |
| 20:56.31 | grendal_prime | pickcoder: |
| 20:56.38 | grendal_prime | how would i do that? |
| 20:56.38 | streuner | smhar: visit pdo |
| 20:56.45 | streuner | !info gnome-session lenny |
| 20:56.49 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.3-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 499 kB, Installed size: 2372 kB |
| 20:57.07 | wols_ | MolePrince: i told you so ;) |
| 20:57.09 | trekdanne1989 | is there any root-tail styled tool that uses xft? |
| 20:57.10 | keith4 | what's the country code for denmark? |
| 20:57.12 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: I use sysv-rc-conf |
| 20:57.14 | smhar | what version of gnome is in lenny now? |
| 20:57.15 | trekdanne1989 | dk |
| 20:57.26 | trekdanne1989 | pickcoder:dk |
| 20:57.32 | wols_ | smhar: you already got your answer. twice |
| 20:57.32 | streuner | smhar: dpkg already told you, scroll up° |
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| 20:59.31 | dkr | scroll u p degrees? what scale is p? :) |
| 21:00.04 | streuner | smhar: dpkg already told you, scroll up! |
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| 21:00.12 | streuner | just a typo ;-) |
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| 21:01.04 | rollerskatejamms | I just used mii-tool to force an interface to 100BaseTx-FullDuplex. How can I make that permanent so I don't have to use mii-tool every time i reboot |
| 21:01.25 | keith4 | can you specifiy link speed in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:02.08 | streuner | there is pre and post commands section in ifupdown docs package |
| 21:02.32 | streuner | just take a look at the examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples |
| 21:02.43 | dondelelcaro | keith4: you can, but you almost certainly shouldn't have too |
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| 21:02.58 | smhar | streuner, didn't get that |
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| 21:03.21 | streuner | !info gnome-session lenny |
| 21:03.23 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.3-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 499 kB, Installed size: 2372 kB |
| 21:03.44 | streuner | ^^that's the version in lenny/testing actually |
| 21:03.55 | smhar | ohhh |
| 21:04.10 | smhar | streuner, long way to 2.18 then |
| 21:04.25 | streuner | !info gnome-session sid |
| 21:04.28 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.18.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 543 kB, Installed size: 2680 kB |
| 21:04.45 | streuner | hm, true |
| 21:07.31 | smhar | streuner, true .. but sid is a bit too much for me :) |
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| 21:11.14 | loupgaroublond | wols_, never mind, dh_make doesn't like letters in the version number, i'm gonna file a bug report on it |
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| 21:12.33 | grendal_prime | ok removed it from sysv and now it haults on atd |
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| 21:12.45 | grendal_prime | not haults but hangs |
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| 21:13.51 | a9913 | grendal_prime, try booting into single user mode |
| 21:14.15 | grendal_prime | i can do that |
| 21:15.01 | grendal_prime | thats how im investigating this |
| 21:15.25 | grendal_prime | i think it has something to do with tune2fs and the -e continue option |
| 21:15.28 | a9913 | grendal_prime, what seems to be the problem, though? i joined recently, so i'm not aware of what's really hapenning |
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| 21:16.57 | pickcoder | a9913: boot-up was hanging @ crond |
| 21:17.06 | a9913 | oh |
| 21:17.10 | pickcoder | he just disabled start-up for it and now atd is hanging it |
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| 21:18.27 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: have you restarted already? |
| 21:18.45 | grendal_prime | ya |
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| 21:18.47 | pickcoder | you need to check atq to see if there is a job that's hanging atd |
| 21:18.53 | pickcoder | but you need to do that in multi-user |
| 21:19.01 | ma3x | I don't understand - I have blacklist psmouse in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and it still loads on startup |
| 21:19.03 | grendal_prime | it does this ...and occationally it will come up totally clean np |
| 21:19.10 | pickcoder | hm |
| 21:19.16 | grendal_prime | its doing it again |
| 21:19.20 | grendal_prime | ok a99 |
| 21:19.25 | ma3x | hm got it |
| 21:19.48 | grendal_prime | a9913: the box comes up and hangs at Starting periodic command scheduler: crond |
| 21:20.17 | a9913 | grendal_prime, disable atd, crond, anacrond and stuff and try |
| 21:20.46 | pickcoder | actually |
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| 21:20.53 | pickcoder | you can do it from single user if you look in /var/spool/cron/ |
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| 21:22.00 | grendal_prime | I have another question. this is for an appliance..do i need it to boot in mulituser mode |
| 21:22.24 | ma3x | i cant launch X |
| 21:22.25 | ma3x | Fatal server error: |
| 21:22.25 | ma3x | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 21:23.09 | pickcoder | !tell ma3x about xfonts |
| 21:23.26 | wols_ | !font fixed |
| 21:23.31 | ma3x | thanks |
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| 21:26.23 | N1ckR | I've read data journalling for ext3 is sometimes faster - what about for general desktop/ home server [file + p2p downloading] ? |
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| 21:26.28 | cchance | how can i upgrade my kernel? |
| 21:26.52 | cchance | or how do i i should say |
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| 21:28.13 | loupgaroublond | N1ckR, for that i recommend reiserfs |
| 21:28.21 | wols_ | cchance: what kernel do you run right now and what debian release? |
| 21:28.34 | cchance | im not sure on kernal, but its DSL |
| 21:28.46 | wols_ | cchance: wrong channel |
| 21:28.51 | wols_ | we cannot help you |
| 21:28.56 | cchance | yes you can |
| 21:29.01 | wols_ | !dsl |
| 21:29.01 | dpkg | methinks dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 21:29.04 | cchance | its is practicaly debian |
| 21:29.10 | wols_ | it is not debian |
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| 21:29.55 | cchance | acording to #dsl it is |
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| 21:30.12 | wols_ | we're not responsible for their lies |
| 21:30.21 | cchance | have you even seen it?! |
| 21:30.23 | wols_ | they support their own distro.all we can support is debian |
| 21:30.29 | cchance | it has the same comands |
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| 21:30.40 | wols_ | redhat has the same commands too. it's still not debian |
| 21:30.50 | wols_ | !tell cchance based on debian |
| 21:30.55 | wols_ | now either install debian or go away please |
| 21:31.04 | infernal_jesus | cchance: all linuxes are pretty much the same :) |
| 21:31.09 | infernal_jesus | as they use the same kernel |
| 21:31.16 | cchance | omg, will you at least see the cd before you tell |
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| 21:31.30 | grendal_prime | ok it appears to be a runlevel 2 issue |
| 21:31.30 | thingfish | I wonder if there's a #comcast-go-to-hell channel. |
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| 21:31.49 | grendal_prime | it hangs trying to go into anything that is enabled in runlevel 2 |
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| 21:32.51 | grendal_prime | what is the command you run to check all the runlevel stuff.. |
| 21:33.09 | valdyn | grendal_prime: i dont belive its 'anything' |
| 21:33.30 | grendal_prime | after you create and add a script to it you run this..and i checks to make sure all the other shutdowns and whatnot happen |
| 21:33.34 | valdyn | grendal_prime: you can 'manually' switch runlevel by running the scripts manually, in order |
| 21:33.46 | jeremy08 | last debian version is stable ? |
| 21:33.49 | infernal_jesus | ... vi /etc/inittab ? |
| 21:33.49 | grendal_prime | this is crazy |
| 21:34.03 | wols_ | jeremy08: etch, 4.0, stable |
| 21:34.05 | infernal_jesus | grendal_prime: vi /etc/inittab |
| 21:34.10 | grendal_prime | ive never had anything like this happen on these systems and now..two systems with the same issue |
| 21:34.30 | jeremy08 | the testing version don't reconize my hard disk into my laptop |
| 21:34.41 | valdyn | grendal_prime: which cpu? |
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| 21:34.59 | grendal_prime | intel dual cores |
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| 21:35.10 | jeremy08 | i have a pentuim 4 |
| 21:35.16 | wols_ | jeremy08: what hdd controllre? |
| 21:35.18 | jair | guys anyone know a live cd that comes with "ext2resize" or ext2 binary? |
| 21:35.22 | grendal_prime | infernal_jesus: im looking at that file |
| 21:35.23 | valdyn | grendal_prime: booting to rescue mode works? |
| 21:35.37 | wols_ | jeremy08: gparted live cd |
| 21:35.40 | grendal_prime | valdyn: ya |
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| 21:36.00 | valdyn | grendal_prime: so run the initscripts there to find out what's wrong |
| 21:36.03 | jeremy08 | debian testing say : don't find any hard disk |
| 21:36.07 | infernal_jesus | grendal_prime: and what seems to be the problem? |
| 21:36.22 | wols_ | jeremy08: answer my question. and why are you trying to install testing? |
| 21:36.29 | grendal_prime | infernal_jesus: it hangs on the first item in runlevel2 |
| 21:36.45 | infernal_jesus | grendal_prime: whst do you mean by hang? |
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| 21:36.53 | wols_ | grendal_prime: sysklogd? |
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| 21:37.06 | N1ckR | loupgaroublond, I am now using ext3 and not changing... |
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| 21:37.11 | grendal_prime | i removed all the cron and atd and now it hangs on the next item |
| 21:37.22 | jeremy08 | because i have this version before last version and i don't know if stable version is like the testing : if it don't reconize my hard disk |
| 21:37.25 | valdyn | grendal_prime: cpufrequtils installed? |
| 21:37.35 | jeremy08 | ? |
| 21:37.47 | valdyn | grendal_prime: uh |
| 21:38.02 | wols_ | grendal_prime: frist item is not cron here. conr is S89cron |
| 21:38.24 | wols_ | jeremy08: get a proper debian installer then |
| 21:38.42 | valdyn | grendal_prime: can you paste the output of 'ls /etc/rc2.d/' ? |
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| 21:39.06 | grendal_prime | i can try |
| 21:39.36 | jeremy08 | maybe this week, i try to download stable version and i try to install them and i tell you if it reconize my hard disk :) thanks |
| 21:39.37 | jair | is there a debian live cd? |
| 21:39.46 | wols_ | jair: yes |
| 21:39.50 | infernal_jesus | grendal_prime: check the /etc/rrc2.d dir |
| 21:39.56 | infernal_jesus | and see where it stops |
| 21:40.18 | jair | wols_: what i need is this => a live cd I can boot from and have the package "ext2" installed |
| 21:40.33 | jair | wols_: because I will be resizing a file system |
| 21:40.44 | jair | wols_: but I will resize it off line |
| 21:40.52 | wols_ | jair: that "ext2" package does not exist |
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| 21:40.56 | wols_ | and I already answered you |
| 21:41.17 | infernal_jesus | jair: get slax.. |
| 21:41.20 | infernal_jesus | slax frodo even |
| 21:41.23 | infernal_jesus | and use fdisk |
| 21:41.26 | infernal_jesus | or cfdisk |
| 21:41.31 | krazykit | jair, knoppix or ubuntu or any other modern livecd will have the tools to resize a filesystm. |
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| 21:41.53 | valdyn | ext3 supports live resizing... why a livecd at all? |
| 21:42.12 | infernal_jesus | krazykit: do you know how long it takes for the ubuntu live cd to load? :D |
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| 21:42.20 | infernal_jesus | and it is very slow |
| 21:42.21 | krazykit | infernal_jesus, much too long :P |
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| 21:42.38 | infernal_jesus | krazykit: yeah.. it's useless as a live cd :P |
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| 21:43.08 | Quintin | mirrors.kernel.org slow lately? |
| 21:43.08 | grendal_prime | valdyn: im getting that info from the ls in just a second |
| 21:43.18 | valdyn | grendal_prime: ok |
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| 21:44.37 | grendal_prime | also when i run a filesystem check i get an error 3 on that box |
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| 21:45.03 | grendal_prime | and after that runs, it comes up fine |
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| 21:45.17 | valdyn | grendal_prime: is that the box where you had to run fsck and confirm actions manually? |
| 21:45.21 | hsarumani | hello |
| 21:45.26 | grendal_prime | yep |
| 21:45.31 | hsarumani | I run a debian box now and |
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| 21:45.36 | hsarumani | I have a problem with cron |
| 21:45.39 | hsarumani | can anyone help? |
| 21:45.50 | hsarumani | I shoot |
| 21:45.53 | hsarumani | I have a cron job which runs the first time but next hour it doesn't want to run anymore. Does anyone have any idea about that? |
| 21:45.55 | valdyn | grendal_prime: you need to run debsums on the whole system |
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| 21:46.15 | grendal_prime | ok syntax for that? |
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| 21:46.22 | valdyn | grendal_prime: fsck needs manual confirmation simply because data loss is a requirement to get your filesystem in a consistent state |
| 21:46.34 | Supaplex | hsarumani: what's the crontab entry, and how long does the job take to run? |
| 21:46.44 | hsarumani | jos takes 3-4 minutes to run |
| 21:46.59 | hsarumani | 30 * * * * userme /usr/bin/php5 /var/www/secure.blablabla.net/bla/Sitesurvey.php > /dev/null |
| 21:47.08 | hsarumani | n cron.d in a file |
| 21:47.13 | hsarumani | in cron.d in a file |
| 21:47.21 | valdyn | grendal_prime: reinstall or restore from backup, or run debsums on the whole system and check files not tracked by debsums however you can |
| 21:47.32 | hsarumani | and when I run /usr/bin/php5 /var/www/secure.blablabla.net/bla/Sitesurvey.php from commandline it works fine |
| 21:47.46 | grendal_prime | ok im ok with the reinstall at this point. |
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| 21:47.54 | hsarumani | the thing which pisses me off is that it runs once and next hour it doesnt |
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| 21:48.02 | malheur | what is best practice for "make install" if i want it to happen in /foo/bar/ instead of / ? |
| 21:48.04 | hsarumani | damn cron |
| 21:48.11 | Supaplex | hsarumani: try running it under 'env(1)' |
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| 21:48.23 | hsarumani | what is env(1)? |
| 21:48.25 | valdyn | hsarumani: damn you for not understanding how a crontab works |
| 21:48.31 | grendal_prime | however, how can i keep this from happening again in the future? |
| 21:48.36 | jair | krazykit: how I will resize the file system then I have ubuntu |
| 21:48.41 | Supaplex | hsarumani: run whatis env to find out. |
| 21:48.49 | valdyn | hsarumani: 30 means that it will run at any hour:30 |
| 21:49.00 | valdyn | hsarumani: so at 0:30 1:30 etc |
| 21:49.04 | hsarumani | yeap |
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| 21:49.06 | hsarumani | it rusn |
| 21:49.11 | ikaro | hi |
| 21:49.12 | hsarumani | it runs at 1.30 |
| 21:49.16 | hsarumani | but not at 2.30 |
| 21:49.18 | jair | valdyn: I am trying to resize the ext3 file system |
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| 21:49.34 | jair | valdyn: I boot already the virtual machine on ubuntu |
| 21:49.35 | valdyn | jair: yep, so do it live |
| 21:49.44 | jair | valdyn: how though |
| 21:49.45 | valdyn | jair: or that.. |
| 21:49.52 | valdyn | jair: shrink or grow? |
| 21:49.54 | hsarumani | damn me yeah |
| 21:49.55 | ikaro | i've ran into a wierd issue, apache runs php5 while apache2 runs php4 .. i really dont need the old apache, can I remove it w/out breaking everything ? |
| 21:50.01 | hsarumani | I have 10 jobs all working fine |
| 21:50.05 | jair | valdyn: I though that i needed to run the command "ext2online or ext2resize" |
| 21:50.06 | hsarumani | this damn script has |
| 21:50.13 | jair | valdyn: grow |
| 21:50.14 | hsarumani | fucntion calls sockets ssh2 in it |
| 21:50.20 | hsarumani | and creates problems |
| 21:50.26 | valdyn | jair: did you grow the partition yet? |
| 21:50.33 | jair | yes |
| 21:50.42 | hsarumani | I'm sure there is something that cron misunderstands when running this script |
| 21:50.44 | hsarumani | but what |
| 21:50.44 | jair | valdyn: I am using lvm linux 8e |
| 21:50.44 | hsarumani | ?> |
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| 21:52.03 | pickcoder | hsarumani: if cron was the problem the script wouldn't run the first time |
| 21:52.13 | hsarumani | what I think is that |
| 21:52.21 | jair | valdyn: I am using the lvm linux |
| 21:52.21 | valdyn | jair: well, then grow the fs, i have no idea what the problem is then |
| 21:52.23 | hsarumani | at the first time the script returns something |
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| 21:52.25 | hsarumani | and next time |
| 21:52.33 | hsarumani | before running cron want to get the result of that thing |
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| 21:52.40 | hsarumani | and doesn;t attempt to run again |
| 21:53.35 | hsarumani | I didn't have a problem with cron for more than a year and now this strange problem |
| 21:55.32 | valdyn | grendal_prime: how you can avoid filesystems breaking down? |
| 21:55.44 | valdyn | grendal_prime: you cant totally avoid this. |
| 21:56.06 | valdyn | grendal_prime: any fs will break, sooner or later, as long as harddisks can break or power outages exist |
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| 21:56.32 | necr0mancer | UnrealIRCd is writting in C, right? >.> |
| 21:56.37 | infernal_jesus | valdyn: by not having a harddrive or a computer your filsystems will never break down :) |
| 21:56.50 | hsarumani | I'm trying it with env -i |
| 21:56.53 | hsarumani | lets see the result |
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| 21:57.30 | Thybo | hello :) |
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| 22:01.14 | koojoo_ | .. |
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| 22:02.57 | cosmodad | is there any convenience tool that allows to check whether a particular module has been loaded? I'm looking for something similar as pgrep is for ps aux|... |
| 22:03.23 | pickcoder | cosmodad: lsmod | grep <module> |
| 22:03.23 | dondelelcaro | cosmodad: lsmod|grep ^foomod; should get you going |
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| 22:04.01 | cosmodad | pickcoder, dondelelcaro: yeah I know about that. Just wondered if there's any tool that sums up these lines and the correct return value for me |
| 22:04.43 | pickcoder | cosmodad: return value for a script? |
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| 22:05.27 | cosmodad | pickcoder: a return value depending on whether the module I give to "lsgrep" is loaded or not |
| 22:05.52 | cosmodad | pickcoder: just something similar to pgrep for the modules loaded (or not) |
| 22:06.03 | cosmodad | but it's ok, I'll just do something my own |
| 22:06.25 | Quintin | What is the 'staff' group on debian for? |
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| 22:07.06 | rahul | wizards |
| 22:07.17 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a Linux Counterpart to Window's Hyperterminal? |
| 22:07.30 | zinx | minicom? |
| 22:07.42 | Quintin | http://www.google.com/search?q=hyperterminal+linux+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 22:07.58 | pickcoder | cosmodad: you can pipe the grep output to wc -l |
| 22:08.04 | flami | Hi , im trying to get my old printer working , and im quite sure there is no linux driver, is all hope lost , or might there be a way to get it running anyway ? |
| 22:08.13 | Quintin | flami: linuxprinters.org |
| 22:08.20 | flami | yep |
| 22:08.22 | flami | i was there |
| 22:08.26 | cosmodad | pickcoder: I know how to do it. I just asked whether someone already did it and put it into a package |
| 22:08.31 | pickcoder | oh |
| 22:08.37 | Quintin | flami: and? probably all hope lost. unless you put it in a VM and load windows |
| 22:09.15 | GhostlyDeath | I just need TCP/IP file transferring from my emulated Win98 and Linux |
| 22:09.34 | flami | ok then all hope is lost :P ( i gotta get my real printer back, which has excellent linux support ) |
| 22:10.15 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: minicom |
| 22:10.38 | zinx | GhostlyDeath: eh, hyperterminal has very little to do with TCP/IP |
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| 22:12.35 | jair | how do I grow a file system that is under "8e" or lvm linux :( |
| 22:13.00 | pickcoder | jair: you can expand an LVM group by adding new partitions to it |
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| 22:13.05 | szymon_g | hi |
| 22:13.09 | pickcoder | ls -l |
| 22:13.10 | pickcoder | gahg |
| 22:13.36 | valdyn | jair: same as on any block device, you grow the underlying block device, then the fs itself |
| 22:14.23 | valdyn | jair: btw, its "lvm" or "lvm2", not "lvm linux". I have no idea what "8e" is supposed to mean. |
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| 22:15.20 | pickcoder | 8e is the f/s type |
| 22:15.23 | valdyn | jair: if that's a partition type id, its irrelevant |
| 22:15.24 | pickcoder | for LVM |
| 22:15.45 | jair | hmmm |
| 22:15.49 | valdyn | pickcoder: guess you mean partition type id too |
| 22:16.04 | valdyn | jair: you need to grow the logical volume |
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| 22:16.20 | pickcoder | jair: man pvcreate and vgextend |
| 22:16.22 | jair | pickcoder: right remember I have tw "8e" physical volumes |
| 22:16.28 | valdyn | jair: if you have no free space on the phyisal volume, you might need to grow the pv first |
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| 22:17.06 | valdyn | jair: use pvs and lvs to see info, paste on a paste site if stuff is unclear |
| 22:18.33 | jair | "/dev/sda2" and "/dev/sda3" |
| 22:18.36 | jair | valdyn: |
| 22:18.38 | jair | all right |
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| 22:20.48 | jair | valdyn: lvm2 |
| 22:20.58 | Feto | is there a way to make bc give me an integer always? |
| 22:21.07 | Supaplex | scale=0 |
| 22:21.13 | Supaplex | abs(last) |
| 22:21.22 | Feto | huh? |
| 22:21.28 | Supaplex | not abs... uhm round(last) |
| 22:21.33 | Feto | round |
| 22:21.45 | Feto | round( expr ) ? |
| 22:21.51 | Supaplex | try it |
| 22:21.56 | Feto | thanks >) |
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| 22:22.31 | Feto | Runtime error (func=(main), adr=13): Function round not defined. |
| 22:22.32 | Feto | =( |
| 22:22.43 | vnese | hello, i just compile a newer version of anjuta from the scratch and found out there is one in synaptic, how can i remove the compiled one ? |
| 22:22.56 | Supaplex | fooey :p |
| 22:23.00 | jair | valdyn: all right let me try to open a paste site and show you waht I see right now on the live cd. |
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| 22:23.08 | pickcoder | vnese: by hand |
| 22:23.12 | Thybo | vnese, how did u install it |
| 22:23.12 | Thybo | ? |
| 22:23.32 | vnese | Thybo: just find where is the compiled files and remove it ? |
| 22:23.34 | pickcoder | unless the developer happened to be nice and put in an uninstall script in the makefile |
| 22:23.47 | parsek | knetwork manager does not show wireless card( ipw2200). iwconfig shows it. I tried to edit /etc/network/interfaces, retstarted network manager, even dbus, no luck. any ideas? |
| 22:23.49 | Thybo | vnese "locate whatyouarelookingfor" |
| 22:23.52 | h3sp4wn | vnese: check the Makefile and see if there is a uninstall or deinstall target |
| 22:25.31 | Thybo | parsek i can send u a good woorking light wifi networkmanager |
| 22:25.42 | valdyn | parsek: network-manager only "sees" interfaces that are not in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:26.10 | parsek | valdyn: I know. wireless is not listed there |
| 22:26.24 | parsek | only loop and wired one |
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| 22:29.21 | Alarm | hello, i get a strange signatore error for "debian.org" : W: GPG error: http://ftp2.de.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 22:29.49 | Alarm | i say strange cause its not the common one that "signatures couldn't be verified" , but that they are not invalid |
| 22:30.13 | Thybo | parsek? |
| 22:30.18 | parsek | yes |
| 22:30.27 | Thybo | u registered? |
| 22:30.38 | valdyn | Alarm: rerun that apt-get command.. |
| 22:30.41 | Thybo | im trying to send u a .deb wifi manager |
| 22:30.50 | parsek | i have a registered name but not using right now, |
| 22:31.03 | Thybo | ok |
| 22:31.05 | Alarm | what do u mean exactly to rerun it ? i did rerun apt-get update several times |
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| 22:31.28 | parsek | Thybo: I want to run knetwork manager, is it not working? |
| 22:31.32 | Quintin | Does anyone here use nagios? |
| 22:31.41 | valdyn | Alarm: that error you got is often only temperary, when new files get spread out to mirrors |
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| 22:32.09 | Alarm | strange |
| 22:32.11 | Thybo | if u want i have this program that is a very light wifi manager parsek i can sent it to u but u have to login :) |
| 22:32.16 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 22:32.17 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 22:32.24 | valdyn | Alarm: so wait and rerun when that mirror is in sync again or use a different mirror |
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| 22:32.32 | Alarm | would se.debian.org testing , and de.debian.org have a different key ? |
| 22:32.44 | Guerin | Alarm: they shouldn't |
| 22:32.44 | valdyn | Alarm: uh? |
| 22:32.51 | parsek | Thybo: thanks for the offer but I'd like to have a generic setup |
| 22:32.56 | Alarm | okie, thanks |
| 22:33.05 | Quintin | Guerin: Don't be an asshat, kthnx. |
| 22:33.11 | Thybo | as u wish :) |
| 22:33.11 | Alarm | !keyring |
| 22:33.11 | dpkg | from memory, keyring is a circular ring of metal for holding keys... in the context of debian, the public gpg keys. |
| 22:33.19 | valdyn | Alarm: the key is not wrong, the file being verified is |
| 22:33.25 | Guerin | Quintin: it ain't easy when faced with such retarditude. |
| 22:33.29 | Supaplex | !etch key |
| 22:33.29 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 22:33.39 | Alarm | do i need that keyring ? |
| 22:33.46 | Alarm | i'll google to see what this is |
| 22:33.48 | Quintin | Guerin: I hope your'e not suggesting that I'm retarded. |
| 22:33.49 | Supaplex | only if you use etc |
| 22:33.54 | Guerin | if you want to avoid warnings, you do |
| 22:33.54 | parsek | something is wrong with knetwork manager |
| 22:33.56 | Supaplex | only if you use etch |
| 22:33.59 | thingfish | ooo - a new word, and I like it! (retarditude) |
| 22:34.11 | Guerin | Quintin: no, just that you're *acting* retarded. Not knowing you I couldn't possibly speak on the former. |
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| 22:34.26 | Quintin | Guerin: I asked a perfectly valid questions. |
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| 22:34.29 | Quintin | question* |
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| 22:35.01 | Alarm | debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version. . seems allready installed |
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| 22:35.20 | valdyn | Alarm: didnt you understand what i said? |
| 22:35.27 | Quintin | Guerin: In what way is that "acting retarded"? |
| 22:35.30 | Alarm | valdyn, yes, change mirror or wait |
| 22:35.53 | valdyn | Alarm: right, part of it |
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| 22:37.45 | ma3x | any idea where crontab is saved? when I do crontab -e and then save? |
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| 22:38.26 | Guerin | Quintin: asking if anyone uses someone is *entirely* retarded. It must be manifestly clear *someone* uses it, otherwise it wouldn't have been written. |
| 22:39.01 | Guerin | ma3x: man cron probably tells you |
| 22:39.02 | rilatf | ma3x: /etc/crontab |
| 22:39.08 | valdyn | Alarm: there's a Release and a Release.gpg. When the Release is the old one, and Release.gpg the new one ( or vice versa ), then the signature in Release.gpg will be wrong, obviously |
| 22:39.17 | unix_infidel_ | lol @ where is crontab |
| 22:39.25 | Alarm | i see |
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| 22:39.47 | pickcoder | meh |
| 22:39.50 | Quintin | Guerin: I ask that question to hopefully find someone _currently in the channel_ that uses it. To discuss it with them. This should be rather obvious. or 'manifestly clear', as you put it. Jackas. |
| 22:39.52 | towskis | hello debian :) |
| 22:39.59 | towskis | i have a basicish question |
| 22:40.12 | ma3x | rilatf, I mean when you edit your own crontab |
| 22:40.14 | ma3x | not etc crontab |
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| 22:40.18 | Alarm | a last question. the testing repositori for security updates is : http://security.debian.org testing/updates ? |
| 22:40.27 | rilatf | Is there any metapackage that contains all the basic tools for compiling or they have to be installed one by one? |
| 22:40.33 | towskis | if I want to use a version of a package below whats listed in aptitude, how do I setup my package sites? |
| 22:40.41 | Alarm | or its all under : debian.org/debian/ testing main ? |
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| 22:40.59 | astro76 | rilatf, build-essential |
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| 22:41.17 | rilatf | astro76: that it was... thanks a lot. |
| 22:41.23 | towskis | i want to use ruby 1.8.4 |
| 22:41.31 | Guerin | Quintin: the point is those questions have a long tradition of being flamed down in here, because they're stupid. Someone in here MAY have used it, but polling the channel isn't going to get your question answered. Ask what you really want to know, like `does nagios do ___?' or `how do I stop nagios from doing ____?' |
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| 22:41.31 | pickcoder | Quintin: either you have an issue you want to discuss regarding nagios or you can check out popcon to see how many people use nagios |
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| 22:41.33 | towskis | but all my package listings seem to be for 1.8.5 |
| 22:41.36 | Guerin | !polls |
| 22:41.36 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 22:41.43 | Guerin | Quintin: see above ↑ |
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| 22:42.10 | Guerin | be thankful the badgers haven't arrived |
| 22:42.29 | pickcoder | asking if someone uses something doesn't help here because whether or not someone uses something doesn't gauge knowledge of the person running it |
| 22:42.42 | Quintin | right. |
| 22:42.45 | Quintin | you can all blow me. |
| 22:42.46 | Quintin | :) |
| 22:42.52 | rilatf | ma3x: the i don't know... |
| 22:43.02 | Guerin | !blow Quintin |
| 22:43.03 | ma3x | rilatf, /var/spool/ |
| 22:43.11 | Guerin | you got your wish |
| 22:43.15 | pickcoder | Quintin: just state the issue you're having and maybe someone can help |
| 22:43.16 | Guerin | now behave |
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| 22:43.37 | thingfish | "blow" is a rather outdated term. |
| 22:43.46 | Quintin | I was behaving, until you started behaving like a dick. although I should probably be used to that by now. |
| 22:43.47 | MolePrince | Is there a channel to talk about nano? I tried #nano and there was nobody there. |
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| 22:43.57 | rahul | %badger |
| 22:43.57 | badgers | rumour has it, badger is bar baz quuz thump |
| 22:44.04 | Enverex | Is there a nice GUI programs for easy batch conversion of images? |
| 22:44.07 | rahul | fear. |
| 22:44.13 | Quintin | My issue is nagios doesn't work. I'm trying ot setup the web interface |
| 22:44.20 | Guerin | MolePrince: i wouldn't think it needs a whole channel. I guess you could try asking here. As long as you don't ask `anyone use nano?' |
| 22:44.28 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 22:44.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 22:44.29 | rahul | can't stick around. |
| 22:44.34 | rilatf | ma3x: ;) |
| 22:44.42 | Guerin | !tell Quintin about ask |
| 22:44.42 | pickcoder | Enverex: convert from imagemagick does nicely even for a command line tool |
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| 22:44.48 | Guerin | !tell Quintin about smart questions |
| 22:45.00 | MolePrince | I'm wondering if it has any sort of patch or version that has a word count built into it. Right now I use watch wc in a split Screen session instead. |
| 22:45.08 | Guerin | Quintin: fuck's sakes, you've been coming here long enough to know these basic mores of hashdweebian conduct |
| 22:45.08 | Enverex | pickcoder, Yes but having to arse about for a while working out all the right switches is annoying |
| 22:45.20 | MolePrince | Or if there is another console text editor which does. |
| 22:45.20 | Quintin | Guerin: Fuck off. kthnx. |
| 22:45.50 | pickcoder | doesn't GIMP do batch conversions? |
| 22:45.54 | Guerin | MolePrince: i'm not aware of any such. People who need such advanced features tend to use emacs or vi, which both do. |
| 22:46.11 | Guerin | MolePrince: using wc is also a fair method. |
| 22:46.37 | towskis | can anyone help me with package management |
| 22:46.49 | Guerin | towskis: be specific |
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| 22:46.53 | Enverex | pickcoder, Didn't notice it |
| 22:47.14 | Enverex | Ok, convert's manpage is bigger than the Bible and it doesn't have a quick help switch. Sod that, heh. |
| 22:47.21 | towskis | Guerin: I want to use an older version of a package than the stable |
| 22:47.28 | Guerin | !wayttd Enverex |
| 22:47.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Enverex? |
| 22:47.30 | towskis | ruby 1.8.4 instead of ruby 1.8.5 |
| 22:47.37 | Guerin | towskis: eep, why? |
| 22:47.39 | towskis | is there a way to setup aptitude to manage that for me? |
| 22:47.46 | towskis | ruby 1.8.4 has breakpoints |
| 22:47.48 | towskis | with rails |
| 22:47.56 | Supaplex | !wayttd You misfits! |
| 22:47.57 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, You misfits!? |
| 22:47.58 | Enverex | Guerin, Need to convert images from one format to another (specifically from png to 90% JPEG |
| 22:48.02 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 22:48.10 | Guerin | towskis: you might be able to get an old version from snapshot.debian.net; it may be beneficial to forward-port it - builkd the 1.8.4 source on your current box |
| 22:48.23 | lontra | to install usplash would i need to reconfigure the kernel? |
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| 22:48.36 | Guerin | Enverex: ISTR it's done entirely by filename extension. |
| 22:48.49 | Guerin | Enverex: you can provavly find a one-liner to that effect on google |
| 22:49.14 | MolePrince | Guerin: Is vi appropriate for text editing? It always seemed more like a programming environment than a word processor. |
| 22:49.43 | Guerin | MolePrince: emacs is *far* more capable for prose writing, but vi can work. I wouldn't bother learning it just for that, however. |
| 22:50.01 | Enverex | Guerin, Aren't there any GUI converters? It's much easier to use a few drop-down boxes and checkboxes than sift through a giant manpage for hours (or google for potentially bad syntaxes) |
| 22:50.15 | Guerin | MolePrince: i do an enormous amount of prose writing in emacs (in both plain text and LaTeX), and it's superb. |
| 22:50.28 | Guerin | Enverex: i don't know. There probably are. |
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| 22:51.24 | towskis | thanks Guerin, I'll see what I can do |
| 22:51.24 | Guerin | and yes, the imagemagick documentation is *massive* |
| 22:51.31 | towskis | I've been trying to compile the 1.8.4 |
| 22:51.36 | towskis | but there are alot of dependencies |
| 22:51.39 | MolePrince | Guerin: I've used vim for years for scripting and I'm really happy with it. I used emacs before and it seemed like it tried/wanted to do way more than I ever needed really. |
| 22:51.40 | towskis | not alot |
| 22:51.46 | towskis | but more then I want to manage |
| 22:51.46 | towskis | :) |
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| 22:51.54 | Guerin | towskis: yes. apt-get build-dep ruby-something mught fulfill them all |
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| 22:52.15 | fasta | How can I see the octal representation of the permissions of a file? |
| 22:52.22 | Guerin | towskis: you should use a debian source package from snapshot.d.n, it's way the hell more easier |
| 22:52.30 | pickcoder | Enverex: are you trying to convert from one format to another? |
| 22:52.38 | Enverex | pickcoder, and set the quality, yes |
| 22:52.39 | Guerin | pickcoder: clearly, from png to jpg |
| 22:52.40 | pickcoder | no shrinking or resampling? |
| 22:53.15 | Enverex | No |
| 22:53.59 | MolePrince | Guerin: Rephrased- is there a light-weight version of emacs available for those who don't need it to control the kitchen sink via telepathy and such? ^_^ |
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| 22:54.52 | Guerin | MolePrince: there are several, but emacs isn't actually all that hard when used for just text. Alt-x some-function; they're all in english, until you get the keystrokes memorised |
| 22:55.04 | Guerin | MolePrince: just do the tutorial and you'll be away |
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| 22:55.36 | MolePrince | Guerin: Swell, I'll give it a look. :) |
| 22:55.39 | Guerin | and there's little point in learning some crippled mini-emacs, then having to learn proper emacs at some later point |
| 22:55.39 | ryancr | I am trying to install debian stable on a dell PE 2850, I have never had dealing with setting up 'real' servers, only standard issue boxes. Does anyone know of any good howtos or resources? |
| 22:55.45 | ustunozgur | MolePrince: emacs doesn't control the kitchen sink unless you tell it to. |
| 22:56.05 | Quintin | ryancr: put netinst CD in cd drive, boot computer |
| 22:56.12 | Guerin | ryancr: what makes this box different from any other? |
| 22:56.16 | ryancr | Quintin: lol I have tried that |
| 22:56.21 | Quintin | ryancr: this HOWTO is released under the DWTYW license. |
| 22:56.29 | Quintin | ryancr: and? |
| 22:56.43 | war | Anyone here use qemu (quite slow) but if you have a newer CPU with VT support++ the kernel option enabled, does it run a lot faster? |
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| 22:56.48 | ryancr | Quintin: and it just doesn't seem to do anything with the cd... |
| 22:57.01 | Quintin | ryancr: have you looked at manual for the computer? or the BIOS? |
| 22:57.03 | ryancr | Quintin: i have checked the bios boot order |
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| 22:57.15 | ryancr | and its listed first |
| 22:57.17 | krazykit | war, you may want to install the kqemu kernel module |
| 22:57.22 | pickcoder | Enverex: convert -quality 90 *.png *.jpg |
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| 22:57.33 | Guerin | ryancr: do you have to hold a key to boot from cd? Consult the documentation, which should explain how to boot from a disk., |
| 22:57.37 | Quintin | Guerin: Shouldn't you be bitching about "anyone", etc right about now? ;-) |
| 22:57.40 | pickcoder | for a quality factor of 90 |
| 22:57.57 | Guerin | Quintin: i considered it, but his question actually contains something meaningful as well. |
| 22:58.00 | Quintin | ryancr: did you look at manual for the computer? dell.com probably has it |
| 22:58.01 | ryancr | Quintin: I wish I had the manual... doh never thought to look if dell had a pdf or something |
| 22:58.28 | Quintin | ryancr: yea that helps |
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| 22:58.37 | war | krazykit: is it part of mainline? |
| 22:58.40 | Quintin | war: I use qemu. no idea about he vt blah blah |
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| 22:58.44 | Enverex | pickcoder, It makes files named *.jpg.(a number) rather than their actual names then... |
| 22:58.45 | Enverex | *** glibc detected *** convert: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0000000000671430 *** |
| 22:58.52 | Guerin | ryancr: call their tech support *heh* |
| 22:58.53 | ryancr | Quintin: defiantly |
| 22:58.55 | pickcoder | hm |
| 22:58.57 | ryancr | lol |
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| 22:59.14 | Quintin | ...?! |
| 22:59.30 | ryancr | Quintin: lol sorry misspelled |
| 22:59.36 | Guerin | Enverex: for file in *.jpg; do convert foo bar ; done |
| 23:00.14 | ryancr | definitely* |
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| 23:00.25 | krazykit | war, mainline? it's a seperate module. it's in apt. |
| 23:00.34 | JW | is cat the best way to make an ISO from a CD, or are there tools that do a more technically-correct job? |
| 23:00.43 | Guerin | Enverex: for file in *.png; do convert foo bar $file $file.jpg ; done ; rename 's/png.//' * |
| 23:00.48 | Guerin | Enverex: that might actually work |
| 23:01.04 | Enverex | (and people wonder why I'd like a GUI tool...) |
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| 23:01.19 | Guerin | JW: cat works. You could probably use a proper cd ripper, but by the time you'd finished reading the manual, cat would probably be finished. |
| 23:01.25 | war | krazykit: ah doh k |
| 23:01.58 | Quintin | JW: dd if=/dev/scd0 of=myiso.iso |
| 23:02.01 | Enverex | Guerin, Am I supposed to be replacing foo and bar with something? If so what? |
| 23:02.06 | Guerin | Enverex: oh, i don't wonder ... I felt just the same way when I first learnt imagemagick, and lame and oggenc and things like that |
| 23:02.34 | JW | Guerin, Quintin: right . . . some how I always have a suspicion that cat and DD might not do error checking, in other words, might make a bad imag without noticing. |
| 23:02.46 | Enverex | Guerin, Lame and Ogg aren't that bad, there's not as much you'd be doing with them, plus you don't often change how you use those, where as I frequently need different formats of picture |
| 23:02.49 | JW | And then I wouldn't know either |
| 23:03.12 | Guerin | Enverex: wehatever your options are - perhaps for file in *.png; do convert -quality 90 $file $file.jpg ; done |
| 23:03.30 | Rusty1 | fasta http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/parseCurl.do?CURL=%2Fcm%2FQuestionAnswer%2F1%2C%2C0x006c1cc6003bd6118fff0090279cd0f9%2C00.html&admit=-682735245+1181948534756+28353475 |
| 23:03.35 | Quintin | JW: dd of course does error checking. |
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| 23:03.39 | lontra | sudo aptitude -s dist-upgrade ... that would simulate a dist-upgrade right? |
| 23:03.43 | JW | Quintin: ok |
| 23:03.46 | JW | Guerin: and what would "a proper cd ripper" be? |
| 23:03.57 | Quintin | JW: anything on linux that rips cds |
| 23:04.03 | teekay_ | Hello |
| 23:04.03 | Guerin | Enverex: oh, when you have several thousand tracks in one go, it's very useful indeed to be able to script it all. And when transcoding from shn to flac, for instance. I also take a huge number of photos, so I feel your pain regarding format shifting, too. |
| 23:04.16 | Quintin | JW: most stuff uses the cd-paranoia library look in /usr/share/doc about it |
| 23:04.21 | Enverex | Guerin, Close, that gave me "convert: Unable to open file (Screenshot-Wine) [No such file or directory]." three times (there's three pictures) |
| 23:04.33 | Guerin | JW: cdparanoia or such. TBH, I don't bother with any other than abcde, which is just glue for a whole lot of other tools. |
| 23:04.38 | fasta | Rusty1: stat -c %a <file> <- much easier |
| 23:04.55 | fasta | Rusty1: writing a complete script is ridiculous |
| 23:05.02 | fasta | Rusty1: thanks, anyway |
| 23:05.12 | Guerin | Enverex: you may need to enclose them in "quotes" if they contain spaces and such; like "$file" and "$file.png" |
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| 23:05.29 | Enverex | Guerin, They dont but it seems to be dying at a hyphen |
| 23:05.40 | Guerin | JW: the way to check the quality of the image is with md5sum or sha1sum |
| 23:05.57 | Guerin | Enverex: quoting filenames is good policy anyway. |
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| 23:06.30 | Enverex | Guerin, Crap, first it named them all .png.jpg so I removed the .jpg and it's overwritten them all >.< whoops |
| 23:06.44 | Guerin | yes ... careful there |
| 23:07.08 | Guerin | the problem with computers is that they do exactly what you tell them to |
| 23:08.04 | Guerin | i make backups in a dir called ORIGINAL before doing anything with files which might be important |
| 23:08.15 | unlink | how do i check if an ssl certificate's fingerprint is correct?' |
| 23:08.21 | Enverex | Guerin, Any ideas how to get it to drop the original extension first? |
| 23:08.23 | Guerin | it being in GREAT RUNES means I'm unlikely to select it by accident |
| 23:08.26 | lontra | i probably don't want to remove apt-utils from my machine right? |
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| 23:08.43 | Guerin | Enverex: no need, that's what the rename 's/png.//' * ; is for |
| 23:08.53 | Guerin | lontra: probably not. |
| 23:09.12 | Guerin | unlink: how do you mean `correct'? |
| 23:09.40 | nvz | when I script things I put in failsafes of some kind, be it making backups, showing what will happen first, or setting the files so I dont have permission to overwrite/delete em |
| 23:09.46 | unlink | Guerin: i am trying to connect to my ssl server remotely and i want to verify that i am receiving the correct certificate |
| 23:09.51 | Guerin | unlink: a ssl cert just provides encryption and guarantees that the server you're transacting with is what the certificate claims. |
| 23:09.55 | Enverex | Guerin, Wouldn't that rename the real PNGs too though? |
| 23:10.03 | Guerin | unlink: read the information on the certificate. |
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| 23:10.25 | Guerin | Enverex: no, because they don't contain `png.' - they end at `png' |
| 23:10.41 | unlink | Guerin: how do i read a certificate? it's a bunch of random data |
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| 23:10.54 | unlink | well not random...but close |
| 23:11.29 | Guerin | unlink: not at all. In firefox, click the wee padlock icon at bottom right |
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| 23:11.38 | Supaplex | what can I use to view images? kview opens a new window for every argument (eg, 1 per picture). |
| 23:11.54 | daag | gwenview |
| 23:11.58 | unlink | Guerin: i can read the certificate in firefox. but then how do i verify it against the *real* cert? |
| 23:12.15 | Guerin | unlink: if the `CN' record matches where you think you're supposed to be going, then that's where you're going and it's legitimate. The other information nmay also be relevant, but isn't necessarily. |
| 23:12.27 | unlink | Guerin: ever heard of ettercap? |
| 23:12.42 | Guerin | unlink: you can't because there's nothing to compare it to., It just certifies what server you're communicating with. |
| 23:12.54 | unlink | Guerin: it's a self-signed cert |
| 23:12.58 | Guerin | unlink: yes, what about it? |
| 23:13.10 | unlink | Guerin: i have the certificate itself, and i can read it, because it's mine |
| 23:13.10 | Guerin | unlink: opk. So compare the CN record with where you want to go. |
| 23:13.20 | unlink | Guerin: i just just can't access it's fingerprint |
| 23:13.20 | Enverex | Guerin, aaah |
| 23:13.24 | Guerin | unlink: ... |
| 23:13.37 | unlink | Guerin: if i just look at the CN, i could be being MITM'd |
| 23:13.45 | Guerin | unlink: take a sha1sum or md5sum of the .pem file |
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| 23:14.32 | Supaplex | daag: thanks for the tip. sounds appealing so far. |
| 23:14.33 | Guerin | unlink: you can't realistically be MITMed with ssl. |
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| 23:14.56 | unlink | Guerin: are you kidding? I've *done* it |
| 23:14.57 | towskis | thanks again Guerin, found the older packages and handling the few dependencies was a snap |
| 23:15.07 | Guerin | towskis: rippa |
| 23:15.09 | daag | Supaplex, ok, it works good for me |
| 23:15.45 | Supaplex | that's good. :) |
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| 23:17.01 | mmlj4 | if I apt-get install kdm, will gdm GO AWAY FOREVER? |
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| 23:17.21 | lontra | mmlj4: no |
| 23:17.30 | lontra | mmlj4: apt-get remove gdm |
| 23:17.30 | mmlj4 | i gotta config something? |
| 23:17.37 | Guerin | mmlj4: you could just disable or uninstall gdm |
| 23:17.49 | Guerin | when you install kdm, you'll get the option to switch |
| 23:18.00 | mmlj4 | but getting kdm will make that be my default, then? |
| 23:18.05 | mmlj4 | ah, ok |
| 23:18.06 | lontra | which you can always change later with dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 23:18.07 | mmlj4 | thanks |
| 23:18.08 | Guerin | mmlj4: it'll ask |
| 23:18.09 | lontra | only if you select it |
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| 23:19.44 | Guerin | unlink: how? |
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| 23:19.50 | unlink | Guerin: ettercap |
| 23:20.04 | Guerin | uithe whole point of SSL is to stop MITM attacks and provide encryption. That's all it's for. |
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| 23:20.26 | unlink | Guerin: no, ssl doesn't prevent MITM, that's what trusted CAs are for |
| 23:20.52 | Guerin | unlink: right, but that's the point of it - that CA's are a trusted third party. |
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| 23:21.07 | unlink | Guerin: i didn't pay one though. i signed it myself. |
| 23:21.10 | Guerin | unlink: obviously not using one and signing your own certs changes matters. |
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| 23:21.25 | unlink | Guerin: it matters in one way: fingerprint verification. |
| 23:21.25 | Guerin | unlink: so you're clearly not concerned about mallory. |
| 23:22.08 | ryancr | I have two network cards running in one machine, one does not seem to be coming up.. I get ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:01:09.0[A] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 17 |
| 23:22.22 | unlink | Guerin: i am, and i can prevent attacks if i verify the fingerprint myself |
| 23:22.23 | ryancr | I just wanted to clarify if that is just a hardware conflict error? |
| 23:22.34 | Guerin | ryancr: the same type of card? |
| 23:22.37 | eshaase | how do i determine whether or not i have 3d hardware acceleration? |
| 23:22.45 | ryancr | no one is onboard, the other is pci |
| 23:23.01 | Guerin | ryancr: but the same chipset? Both rlt8139, for instance? |
| 23:23.06 | cartesian1984 | Hum. Maybe I'm just retarded, but: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device. I followed the alsa one-liner... |
| 23:23.15 | rilatf | How can metapackages be found? for instance build-essential includes gcc, but 'apt-cache searhc gcc | grep build' says nothing about it. Now I want to know if autoconf is in any metapackage: how can I check it? thx |
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| 23:23.26 | ryancr | I don't believe so.. one sec..ill check. |
| 23:23.56 | mortal5 | does anyone here know how to get a list of the cron jobs pending today? |
| 23:23.59 | Guerin | unlink: yes, but your clients (those who don't have the original certificate) can't. |
| 23:24.14 | unlink | Guerin: if i tell them the fingerprint, they can |
| 23:24.38 | Guerin | rilatf: apt-cache rdepends |
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| 23:24.51 | Guerin | unlink: indeed. |
| 23:25.06 | unlink | Guerin: but i can't if i don't know the fingerprint myself |
| 23:25.11 | Guerin | unlink: indeed. |
| 23:25.19 | cchance | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:25.32 | Guerin | unlink: but since the fingerprint is just a hash of the certificate file, it's trivial to come by. |
| 23:25.56 | unlink | Guerin: of the private key too? or just the certificate part? |
| 23:26.04 | Guerin | cchance: post full output of aptitude -f install; to paster |
| 23:26.09 | Guerin | unlink: just the cert, IIRC |
| 23:26.19 | ryancr | Guerin: lspci tells me they are 3com 3c905B and Dlink RTL8139 |
| 23:26.24 | cchance | all it says is that it cant install anything |
| 23:26.37 | ryancr | Guerin: and they are both pci |
| 23:26.39 | Guerin | cchance: it says more than that. |
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| 23:27.09 | rilatf | Guerin: thx (and sorry for not reading man pages carefully enough) |
| 23:27.09 | cchance | im on another computer other than the box, i cant realy copy it |
| 23:27.14 | Guerin | ryancr: interesting. I had the same issue with one onboard and onen pci NIC of the same chipset, and solved it by switching one out for another chipset. Perhaps try turning off APIC or something |
| 23:27.35 | Guerin | cchance: well, we can't help you uintil we see that error |
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| 23:27.46 | ryancr | Guerin: nolapic on boot correct? |
| 23:27.48 | unlink | Guerin: with the BEGIN CERTIFICATE? newlines? etc. |
| 23:27.53 | ryancr | or just noapic |
| 23:27.53 | illovae | hello |
| 23:28.08 | Guerin | ryancr: lapic is the legacy apic i think; try one or both of noapic and nolapic |
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| 23:28.18 | Guerin | unlink: yes, those are part of the cert |
| 23:28.35 | ryancr | Guerin: I'll give it a go |
| 23:28.36 | Guerin | ryancr: also try acpi=off if those fail |
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| 23:29.11 | ryancr | Guerin: righto.. without acpi, will I lose any functionality... this is just a server in a closet ;) |
| 23:29.17 | cchance | Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done 0 upgraded, o newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 23:29.23 | cchance | thats all |
| 23:29.31 | Guerin | ryancr: servers don't need power management ;) |
| 23:29.47 | ryancr | Guerin: yeah thats what i figured, thanks |
| 23:29.53 | Guerin | cchance: ok, try aptitude install packagewhichfailed; and show us full output. |
| 23:30.03 | Guerin | ryancr: is the debian box on the internets? |
| 23:30.06 | Guerin | bah |
| 23:30.10 | Guerin | cchance: is the debian box on the internets? |
| 23:30.14 | Guerin | ryancr: ignore |
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| 23:30.21 | cchance | internets? |
| 23:30.22 | lymeca | Are there any patents covering the AVI container? |
| 23:30.27 | lymeca | Or is the container itself 100% Free? |
| 23:30.30 | Guerin | cchance: yes. |
| 23:30.38 | cchance | whats that |
| 23:30.52 | unlink | Guerin: openssl x509 -fingerprint -in cert.pem |
| 23:31.16 | cchance | bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 23:31.24 | Guerin | lymeca: you might want to ask #mplayer or something, that's quite a technical question. I *think* it's encumbered, which is the reason for matroska and ogg containers - though they have other technical benefits as well. |
| 23:31.33 | cchance | You mean internet? |
| 23:31.34 | Guerin | unlink: ah, cool. |
| 23:31.42 | Guerin | cchance: you mean there's only one? |
| 23:31.57 | cchance | ... |
| 23:32.00 | cchance | what |
| 23:32.04 | Guerin | cchance: install aptitude before you do anything else. |
| 23:32.14 | cchance | apt-get aptitude? |
| 23:32.21 | Guerin | cchance: yes, I emjan the internet. aka teh intarwebs and other such things. It's a joke, son. |
| 23:32.30 | Guerin | cchance: apt-get install aptitude |
| 23:32.56 | cchance | ok wo, a big error |
| 23:33.12 | cchance | il just copy the bottom three lines since they seem reletive |
| 23:33.13 | Guerin | put it on paster |
| 23:33.16 | Guerin | !paster |
| 23:33.16 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 23:34.52 | cchance | guerin, one sec i got to ssh in |
| 23:35.44 | mortal5 | I'm trying to write a script that checks for any pending jobs on a given day, and if they're all finished shutdown |
| 23:36.03 | mortal5 | does anyone know how to get a list of jobs pending for the day? |
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| 23:39.31 | cchance | dang i cant ssh in |
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| 23:41.41 | cchance | Whats a command to enable ssh? |
| 23:41.52 | streuner | apt-get install ssh |
| 23:42.04 | streuner | and read 'man ssh.conf |
| 23:42.25 | cartesian1984 | apt-get install openssh-server methinks. Or is ssh a virtual package provided by openssh-server? |
| 23:42.47 | cartesian1984 | Oh, yup. |
| 23:42.56 | cartesian1984 | Both client and server, then. |
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| 23:43.17 | Guerin | mortal5: i dunno. |
| 23:43.51 | mortal5 | yeah, I wanted to write a nice little power saving script for my compy |
| 23:44.09 | mortal5 | no use in having it boot up to record stuff, and then stay on all the time |
| 23:44.09 | cchance | i have ssh |
| 23:44.15 | cchance | but its not started |
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| 23:44.41 | shey | when you install Xorg thru apt, is there other packages needed? |
| 23:44.57 | shey | or is it one all-inclusive-package? |
| 23:45.32 | Guerin | shey: how should we know what you need? |
| 23:45.37 | flami | xorg , is the all inclusive xserver :P |
| 23:45.45 | shey | flami: ty. |
| 23:45.48 | Guerin | xorg gets you the full x server, but not mcuh in the way of GUI stuff |
| 23:46.16 | shey | Guerin: when I startx, nothing happens, just a blank screen (monitor actually shuts off). |
| 23:46.27 | Guerin | shey: eep. |
| 23:46.30 | flami | well thats why you need a desktop ^^ |
| 23:46.42 | shey | My question I guess is, do we still need to install x-window-system-core? |
| 23:46.42 | flami | shey, like KDe , or Gnome |
| 23:46.47 | shey | fluxbox I use. |
| 23:46.57 | shey | always have, always will. |
| 23:46.58 | Guerin | that problem is not the lack of a window manager |
| 23:47.00 | shey | Gnome is evil. |
| 23:47.06 | Guerin | sounds like broken settings; check the x logs |
| 23:47.13 | flami | yep :P |
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| 23:47.21 | shey | Another funny thing I noticed was, in my xorg.conf... |
| 23:47.27 | shey | there are no Font stanzas. |
| 23:47.36 | shey | but yet I seen them install during the apt-get. |
| 23:47.37 | Guerin | something is definitely not right, then |
| 23:47.47 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 23:47.47 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 23:47.53 | Guerin | shey: try that ↑ |
| 23:47.56 | shey | hrmmm |
| 23:47.59 | shey | indeed, ty |
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| 23:59.15 | cchance | What program would you sudgest for a windows client to connect to the VNC server on the box? |
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