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| 00:00.04 | flami | cchance, if you want remote desktop you might want to have a look a freenx |
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| 00:01.07 | krazykit | cchance, tightvnc |
| 00:01.20 | cchance | i got that but it wont connect |
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| 00:10.25 | Enverex | hrm, no Beryl in the repos, no blind for me :( |
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| 00:10.42 | Octopssy | what's the way again to check the difference between 2 text files in unnix? |
| 00:11.14 | flami | Enverex, beryl is only in unofficial repos |
| 00:11.29 | vorpal | Octopssy: diff |
| 00:11.50 | Octopssy | diff file1 file1 `? |
| 00:11.58 | vorpal | Octopssy: man diff |
| 00:11.59 | Octopssy | diff file1 file2* |
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| 00:14.18 | Octopssy | ok |
| 00:14.29 | vorpal | you're welcome |
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| 00:17.07 | mrynit | i have my USB drive plugged in and the icon is on the desktop but when i do fdisk -l it does not show up. i only have you harddrive |
| 00:17.56 | IndyGunFreak | hmm |
| 00:17.59 | mmlj4 | try tail -f /var/log/messages, then plug it in |
| 00:18.17 | mmlj4 | find out what device it thinks it is |
| 00:18.17 | IndyGunFreak | whats that command, sudo dpkg, something.. to reset xorg.conf to defaults? |
| 00:19.18 | mrynit | mmlj4: run that with out the drive int? that still shows the drive info? |
| 00:19.37 | krazykit | IndyGunFreak, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 00:19.45 | mmlj4 | try tail -f /var/log/messages, then plug it in |
| 00:19.50 | IndyGunFreak | krazykit: i think thats it, i can't remember for sure. |
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| 00:19.51 | mmlj4 | find out what device it thinks it is |
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| 00:20.18 | mrynit | before plug in scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access LEXAR JD FIREFLY 1100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS |
| 00:20.30 | mmlj4 | um, "tail -f" |
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| 00:21.20 | mrynit | tail: warning: following standard input indefinitely is ineffective :( |
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| 00:22.42 | mmlj4 | mrynit: i want you to continuously watch /var/log/messages WHILE you plug the device in, to see what the machine thinks it is that you're pluggin in |
| 00:22.53 | mrynit | o |
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| 00:25.13 | mrynit | mmlj4: im running off a live CD would that make a difference? root@mar-bu:~# /var/log/messages |
| 00:25.13 | mrynit | -bash: /var/log/messages: Permission denied |
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| 00:25.32 | mmlj4 | you're not root |
| 00:26.10 | mmlj4 | or you typed something wrong |
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| 00:27.04 | mrynit | su root ... whoami -> root |
| 00:27.36 | Guerin | mrynit: you're trying to execute a logfile |
| 00:27.40 | Guerin | how stupid is that |
| 00:28.05 | Skipp_OSX | mrynit: chmod /var/log/messages what is the output? |
| 00:28.18 | Skipp_OSX | errr ls -l /var/log/messages rather |
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| 00:29.01 | mrynit | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 120616 2007-06-15 17:24 /var/log/messages |
| 00:29.15 | Guerin | mrynit: use a fucking pager, like less(1) |
| 00:29.19 | Guerin | jeebus |
| 00:29.32 | Guerin | or if you're wanting to monitor output in real-time, use tail -f |
| 00:29.51 | mrynit | i am new to linux... |
| 00:30.42 | flami | jesux yay ^^ |
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| 00:31.06 | mmlj4 | grr... |
| 00:31.25 | mmlj4 | type exactly this: tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 00:31.46 | flami | and ? |
| 00:32.25 | mmlj4 | then plug the thing in |
| 00:32.42 | mmlj4 | you're looking for something like /dev/sda or somesuch |
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| 00:33.23 | omri | can I add another drive (not as hotspare) to a raid 5 array? |
| 00:33.28 | omri | to enlarge it, that is. |
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| 00:35.45 | michup | hi, ive some different question i install and configure apache and it is working in LAN correctly... |
| 00:35.50 | mrynit | well im not sure what im looking for exactly but here is what i think might be important sde: sde1 Attached scsi removable disk sde |
| 00:35.58 | michup | now i wish to make it work in Internet |
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| 00:36.08 | michup | but two problems went out |
| 00:36.23 | Quintin | michup: the enter key is not replacement for punctuation |
| 00:36.36 | michup | routing and xdsl connection |
| 00:37.04 | mmlj4 | ok, that's what you want, mrynit |
| 00:37.14 | mmlj4 | do "ls /mnt" for me |
| 00:37.39 | michup | so i use dyndns and configure my router but when i type in url FQDN address its not working |
| 00:37.50 | michup | it says couldnt found server |
| 00:38.07 | michup | some suggestions? |
| 00:38.12 | Quintin | michup: again, the ENTER KEY IS NOT PUNCTUATION. for fucks sake. |
| 00:38.12 | Guerin | michup: configure the `Listen' directive properly, and make sure whatever router doodad you have is forwarding the proper ports. If you don't understand what this means, go and read ... |
| 00:38.19 | Guerin | !fundamentals |
| 00:38.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fundamentals is You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at ... |
| 00:38.27 | Guerin | michup: that ↑ |
| 00:38.30 | mrynit | mmlj4: nothing printed |
| 00:38.32 | Quintin | michup: When did you do this? You have to wait for the DNS to be updated. what is your WAN IP? |
| 00:38.56 | mmlj4 | mrynit: cool |
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| 00:39.17 | mrynit | live CD so thats why my hardive didnot show up? |
| 00:39.18 | michup | at this moment my wan ip is 83.4.131.244 |
| 00:39.42 | mmlj4 | then do "mount /dev/sde1 /mnt" |
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| 00:39.46 | michup | i configure on router dynDNS and on dyndns.com add account first |
| 00:39.56 | mmlj4 | then do "ls /mnt" again |
| 00:39.59 | Quintin | michup: it works fine. |
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| 00:40.12 | Quintin | michup: 2nd time, you twit. You have to wait for the DNS to update. |
| 00:40.26 | mmlj4 | he may have resolution issues behind his edge device |
| 00:40.32 | Quintin | and, this is #debian, not #ubuntu btw. |
| 00:40.58 | michup | what do you mean by saying it is working |
| 00:41.06 | mrynit | mmlj4: sweet it worked. after the mount i did ls /mnt and it showed my files then i did fdisk -l and showed the usb drive THX |
| 00:41.13 | mmlj4 | he means he can see your website or whatever |
| 00:41.23 | michup | i give you only IP |
| 00:41.26 | mmlj4 | mrynit: write these steps down |
| 00:41.31 | Quintin | michup: I mean I can connect to your machine and talk to apache. |
| 00:41.35 | mrynit | heh yeah |
| 00:41.36 | mmlj4 | the sde1 part may change on you |
| 00:41.40 | michup | but i mean to make it work with domain name |
| 00:41.48 | mrynit | diff usb ports? |
| 00:41.54 | Quintin | michup: are you fucking stupid? |
| 00:42.03 | Quintin | michup: to quote myself, for the third time. You have to wait for the DNS to update. |
| 00:42.10 | mmlj4 | when you're finished, type "umount /mnt" before unplugging it |
| 00:42.19 | mrynit | k |
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| 00:42.20 | PriceChild | Quintin, there's never any need for the language. |
| 00:42.24 | mmlj4 | michup: TRY IT AGAIN |
| 00:42.41 | mmlj4 | michup: try to ping your hostname, or type your URL again, or whatever |
| 00:42.42 | Quintin | there's no need for idiocy, either. |
| 00:42.52 | Quintin | doesn't stop some people though. |
| 00:43.01 | IndyGunFreak | wow.. |
| 00:43.07 | Quintin | michup: I also asked you when you last updated at dyndns. when? |
| 00:43.20 | michup | http://www.mapety.homelinux.org |
| 00:43.21 | IndyGunFreak | how do I remove the Computer, Home, and Trash icons from my desktop? |
| 00:43.33 | michup | i did it today |
| 00:43.43 | mmlj4 | right-click on them and hit delete? |
| 00:43.44 | michup | about 30min ago |
| 00:43.51 | Guerin | IndyGunFreak: stop using kde/gnome |
| 00:43.51 | Quintin | IndyGunFreak: You have to change some keys in gconf |
| 00:44.07 | Quintin | IndyGunFreak: also, this isn't #ubuntu. jeez. |
| 00:44.11 | IndyGunFreak | Guerin: lol, not an option, and Quintin i knew that, i just wasn't sure which one. |
| 00:44.20 | IndyGunFreak | Quintin: well, 1.. i'm not using ubuntu |
| 00:44.25 | Guerin | IndyGunFreak: as far as I'm concerned it's the ONLY option |
| 00:44.25 | IndyGunFreak | you really need to take a paxil |
| 00:44.32 | IndyGunFreak | Guerin: well, good for you |
| 00:44.48 | Quintin | Ok, I won't tell you :) |
| 00:44.49 | Guerin | IndyGunFreak: you can also replace all instances of `nautilus' with `nautils --no-desktop' |
| 00:44.58 | IndyGunFreak | hmm |
| 00:44.58 | michup | Quintin: can you talk to my apache by using http://www.mapety.homelinux.org |
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| 00:45.23 | Quintin | michup: no, it doesn't work. give it a few hours. also, double-check your WAN IP on their site. |
| 00:45.41 | michup | im checking it now |
| 00:45.42 | IndyGunFreak | i was just trying to find the option in gconf to turn off thos eicons, can't find it. |
| 00:46.23 | mmlj4 | straw poll: who here hates ubuntu? |
| 00:46.33 | michup | Quintin: its the same |
| 00:46.35 | Quintin | I hate ubuntu *users*. the OS itself is ok |
| 00:46.46 | Quintin | michup: ok. you just have to be patient then |
| 00:46.57 | mmlj4 | IndyGunFreak: um, like i said, you can delete them |
| 00:47.04 | Skipp_OSX | I like ubuntu but hate #ubuntu |
| 00:47.10 | IndyGunFreak | mmlj4: now don't you think i tried that? |
| 00:47.12 | Quintin | agree |
| 00:47.23 | socialist | is it really bad in there? |
| 00:47.25 | IndyGunFreak | i figured it out anyways... thanks though |
| 00:47.27 | mmlj4 | also, there's a directory called ~/Desktop or somesuch, at least if you're on KDE, which contains the icon files |
| 00:48.14 | michup | Quintin: the IP in dyndns database is the same as my router WAN interface |
| 00:48.25 | netdaemon | ubuntu is "alright" |
| 00:48.25 | netdaemon | socialist: yes... |
| 00:48.26 | Quintin | michup: quit trolling. |
| 00:48.32 | IndyGunFreak | mmlj4: well, i'm not running kde. |
| 00:48.52 | IndyGunFreak | i figured it out, its under gconf-editor/nautilus/desktop |
| 00:48.55 | mmlj4 | unlucky you |
| 00:49.03 | IndyGunFreak | mmlj4: yeah, ok |
| 00:49.04 | IndyGunFreak | lol |
| 00:49.29 | socialist | #gentoo used to be horrible, but it seems a lot better lately |
| 00:49.37 | thingfish | oh come on |
| 00:49.58 | Quintin | michup: is there any part of "you have to wait for the DNS to update" that is confusing to you? |
| 00:50.00 | thingfish | go into #gentoo and #ubuntu and make your comments, they're lost in here. |
| 00:50.03 | mrynit | mmlj4: http://slexy.org/paste/3103 |
| 00:51.04 | socialist | I dunno, I've had good luck in #gentoo lately, but maybe that's because I'm answering not asking |
| 00:51.07 | mrynit | michup: do you have port forwording? |
| 00:51.57 | socialist | it was intolerable a year ago... 500 linux newbies + a compiliation-based system == give up |
| 00:52.01 | michup | mrynit: yes i think it is correctly |
| 00:52.04 | Quintin | mrynit: yes he does, he's just an idiot. |
| 00:52.24 | thingfish | socialist: and this is important to #debian because... |
| 00:52.27 | michup | i was confused a bit to solution of forwarding in this particular router it has 5 fields |
| 00:52.37 | Quintin | mrynit: http://83.4.131.244/ |
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| 00:52.53 | michup | public port start public port end and private port and hostname (IP) |
| 00:53.02 | michup | so i just simply put 80 80 80 |
| 00:53.05 | michup | in this fields |
| 00:53.20 | mrynit | Quintin: that works i get an index |
| 00:53.43 | Quintin | michup: se habla espanol? sprechen sie deutch? |
| 00:53.59 | michup | no im polish man i speak a bit english |
| 00:54.01 | socialist | thingfish: and it's bad to chat about general subjects because...? |
| 00:54.03 | thingfish | Quintin: no, we only speak mongolian in here. |
| 00:54.06 | mrynit | michup: you need to and hte ip of the server and set the portforwd to 80 for uh TCP or UDP |
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| 00:54.31 | mrynit | michup: make sure you dissable any firewalls running on the serever |
| 00:54.45 | Quintin | mrynit: everything he has is right, he just has to wait for the DNS to update |
| 00:54.47 | martiancode | alright so best way to create vcds ? |
| 00:54.48 | thingfish | socialist: talking about other distros in a channel that has nothing to do with that distro is gauche. |
| 00:54.58 | Quintin | michup: it won't work now. it will work *later*. like tomorrow or so |
| 00:55.02 | martiancode | I've seen different options |
| 00:55.08 | michup | i add forward from port 80 from WAN interface on router to 80 on 10.0.0.2 (server apache) |
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| 00:55.35 | socialist | thingfish: the inability to parse out a tiny amount of something you don't care about is equally so |
| 00:55.41 | Quintin | !pl |
| 00:55.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 00:55.43 | thingfish | socialist: hehe I like that |
| 00:55.58 | Quintin | michup: go there, kthnx |
| 00:56.15 | michup | Quintin: why is that after i log in my account on dynDNS there is correct IP in its database so why i have to wait till morning? |
| 00:56.42 | Quintin | michup: because that is how the internets work. |
| 00:56.52 | mrynit | michup: do you have some sorta gui update monitor form dynDNS showing when your ip is updated |
| 00:57.02 | martiancode | thanks it's ok now |
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| 00:57.18 | socialist | does anyone know the maintainers of the redhat-cluster-* stuff? |
| 00:57.29 | mrynit | michup: on my windows version there is such a gui and you can force an update |
| 00:57.38 | Guerin | socialist: you can. |
| 00:57.43 | michup | mrynit: no i just log in to my account on dyndns.com i use ubuntu |
| 00:57.48 | vote4pedro | whats the package that does the auto-update-like feature with the icon in the gnome notification area? |
| 00:57.51 | Guerin | socialist: if it's in debian, anyway. |
| 00:57.58 | socialist | heh yes it is |
| 00:58.05 | Quintin | michup: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Internets |
| 00:58.05 | Guerin | socialist: packages.d.o |
| 00:58.19 | mrynit | michup: do you have any software from dynDNS that updates you IP? |
| 00:58.23 | Quintin | vote4pedro: update-notifier |
| 00:58.31 | socialist | I'm going for the direct route, p.d.o is the next step |
| 00:58.38 | michup | my router has built in implementation for that |
| 00:58.45 | Guerin | the direct route IS p.d.o |
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| 00:58.50 | mrynit | michup: DONT USE THAT |
| 00:58.55 | socialist | not if they were awake in here it isn't |
| 00:59.05 | Guerin | socialist: this isn't a development channel, so I don' |
| 00:59.07 | mrynit | michup: well i did and dynDNS didnt like it |
| 00:59.10 | Guerin | t see why they would be |
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| 00:59.21 | Quintin | mrynit: I already told you, his problem is imagined |
| 00:59.40 | vote4pedro | Quintin: ah, thanks |
| 00:59.48 | michup | but it seems to be working because im able to use file://mapety.homelinux.org |
| 01:00.02 | Guerin | michup: JUST FUCKING WAIT| |
| 01:00.06 | Guerin | jeebus |
| 01:00.15 | Guerin | google`time to live' dns |
| 01:00.24 | mrynit | michup: add some dummy files to the server and post your url/ip again |
| 01:00.35 | Quintin | mrynit: shut.the.fuck.up. he might stop |
| 01:00.59 | mrynit | i.am.trying.to help |
| 01:01.17 | Quintin | mrynit: he doesn't have a problem. therefore, you can't help. read your damn buffer |
| 01:01.20 | Guerin | even Quintin can see that this one is beyond help |
| 01:01.44 | lymeca | Anyone interested in Free, patent unencumbered digital media formats: http://www.avidemux.org/admForum/viewtopic.php?id=3348 |
| 01:01.50 | Quintin | hey, G, ESAD, KTHNXBIE :) |
| 01:02.03 | Guerin | !esad |
| 01:02.13 | Guerin | whatever that was, it's lost on me |
| 01:02.52 | michup | mrynit: www.mapety.homelinux.org |
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| 01:03.35 | mrynit | michup: PM... |
| 01:04.04 | Guerin | lymeca: thanks, that's a pretty good roundup for an hour or two's work |
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| 01:04.55 | lymeca | Thanks Guerin. My ideal format choices I think is Theora video with Vorbis audio inside Matroska container. |
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| 01:05.23 | Guerin | lymeca: i remain very partial to x.264 |
| 01:05.52 | Quintin | 264 pwns. encoding is longer than other stuff, but quality is much better |
| 01:06.04 | Guerin | SO freaking much better, yeah |
| 01:06.15 | krazykit | you need a pretty fast processor to decode it, though |
| 01:06.21 | lymeca | Yes but the resultant video format, MPEG-4 AVC, is covered by patents. |
| 01:06.26 | lymeca | That's why it doesn't make my list. |
| 01:06.34 | Guerin | not so much an issue nowadays as it was a few years ago when it was first introduced |
| 01:06.41 | Guerin | lymeca: yes, indeed. |
| 01:06.56 | Quintin | but.. do I care about this .. patent business? :p |
| 01:07.03 | Guerin | Quintin: you might. |
| 01:07.32 | lymeca | It is an issue... why is there no x264 package in Debian? |
| 01:07.41 | lymeca | (Hypothetical question obviously) |
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| 01:08.14 | netdaemon | patents are evil |
| 01:08.18 | thingfish | x264? That sounds AMD to me. |
| 01:08.26 | Quintin | dpkg -i qmplayer.deb .. |
| 01:08.26 | dpkg | package qmplayer.deb .. is already installed |
| 01:08.30 | Guerin | thingfish: your ears are faulty |
| 01:08.42 | thingfish | Guerin: like most of my body. |
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| 01:08.51 | Guerin | netdaemon: correction: SOFTWARE patents are evil |
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| 01:09.02 | Guerin | patents are good, in principle |
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| 01:10.01 | netdaemon | Guerin: ty for specifying |
| 01:10.01 | netdaemon | rawr |
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| 01:10.59 | mrynit | why is it when i run fdisk -l as a user dont see all my drives but when i do it as root i DO see all my driveS? |
| 01:11.11 | enveezee | how come this box won't show like a gzipped text file in iceweasel, asks me to d/l it and open with archive manager.. I swear on my box it handles gzipped text files |
| 01:11.46 | Guerin | enveezee: do you have a mime type and wrapper set for it? |
| 01:12.01 | Guerin | mrynit: because root is root. |
| 01:12.11 | enveezee | Guerin: I guess not :P I was trying to view /usr/share/doc/iceweasel/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 01:12.27 | Guerin | !guess |
| 01:12.28 | dpkg | guess is, like, a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 01:12.39 | dondelelcaro | enveezee: just use zless for viewing things like that |
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| 01:13.04 | mrynit | hmm well i tought a user could see all the drive esp. the usb he just plugged in. but i guess thats more of roots job to manage drives |
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| 01:13.50 | enveezee | dondelelcaro: yeah normally I would. I just seen it easier to do it in iceweasel since I had it open already until it decided not to display it.. I thought the browser just automagically understood gzipped files cause it always displayed em for me |
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| 01:14.50 | Guerin | enveezee: possibly apache's mod_gz or something has been making it work |
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| 01:15.09 | enveezee | Guerin: ah.. I do have apache on my system |
| 01:15.26 | enveezee | Guerin: but you mean server side I assume |
| 01:15.31 | dondelelcaro | mod_gz is actaully usually used to compress fifles for transmission to systems which can decompress |
| 01:15.50 | enveezee | I never really use it to view locally I don't think |
| 01:16.04 | enveezee | but I've clicked on .gz files before and it displayed them |
| 01:16.05 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yes, but it tells the browser to decompress at the other end, no? |
| 01:16.21 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yes; weill, actually the broser says that it can handle compression, and the server sends it |
| 01:16.27 | Guerin | right |
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| 01:16.59 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: but firefox can do it, but only if it has teh right content-type; not sure if you can get it to happen for file:/// URIs |
| 01:17.06 | enveezee | hmm. oh well. I had a look at the changelog.. those fixes in iceweasel looked like they were some nasty vulernabilities |
| 01:17.17 | Guerin | right, that's what I'm thinking |
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| 01:19.21 | enveezee | oh well I'm gonna disable my alter-ego and go turn ssh back on I think.. not sure why I even turn it off all the time.. must be paranoid.. heh.. I never had my ISP sniffing around port 22, they only bother with my apache running on 80 so I shut it down when I'm not using it |
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| 01:20.45 | erflynn | hi all, i tried running make menuconfig on linux-2.6.18 and i keep getting a bunch of errors about scripts/basic/fixdep.c . this is in etch |
| 01:20.56 | Skipp_OSX | enveezee: ssh on port 22 is probably a lot safer than Apache open on port 80, ymmv |
| 01:21.02 | thingfish | enveezee has an alter ego? I wonder who it could be... |
| 01:21.20 | simonrvn | oh i don't know :P |
| 01:21.26 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:21.48 | thingfish | simonrvn, how the hell are ya |
| 01:22.09 | erflynn | anyone know what would cause that? |
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| 01:22.48 | simonrvn | right now tired as fuck. got back from a festival (terres en vues) 'bout 45 min - 1 hour ago, and haven't slept a wink |
| 01:23.23 | simonrvn | erflynn: missing some -dev pakages comes to mind |
| 01:23.23 | thingfish | simonrvn: man, that hurts. Lack of sleep just kills me. |
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| 01:23.56 | thingfish | simonrvn: what's terres en vues? |
| 01:23.56 | erflynn | simonrvn: probably. what do i install to populate /usr/include? (string.h, etc., it's all missing...) |
| 01:24.00 | simonrvn | !tell erflynn -about b-e |
| 01:24.26 | erflynn | groovy |
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| 01:24.50 | simonrvn | thingfish: trying to remember url, sec |
| 01:25.26 | simonrvn | www.nativelynx.qc.ca |
| 01:25.59 | thingfish | simonrvn: wow, totally neat. |
| 01:26.33 | simonrvn | we did the opening and today's closing |
| 01:27.18 | thingfish | simonrvn: I bet you feel invigorated, even if you're a tad sleep-deprived. |
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| 01:31.41 | simonrvn | vrey much so (was busy with something else) |
| 01:34.16 | thingfish | some of us get born into the wrong body... |
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| 01:35.19 | simonrvn | nah. you got respect and humility, that's the important parts |
| 01:36.00 | thingfish | thanks |
| 01:36.22 | simonrvn | just the truth as i see it |
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| 01:41.05 | LinuxNIT | any idea why my mp3player wont show up as a hd? i modprobed sd_mod and usb-storage and dmesg shows "USB Mass Storage support registered." but fdisk -l wont show it |
| 01:42.11 | gordboy | debconf7 debianday in edinburgh in 7 hrs 18 mins :) |
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| 01:43.03 | thingfish | gordboy: is your kilt all nice and pressed? |
| 01:43.27 | gordboy | thingfish, i don't have a kilt. i'm scottish :) |
| 01:43.40 | thingfish | gordboy: I thought kilts *were* scottish. |
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| 01:43.55 | thingfish | they're sure as hell not lithuanian. |
| 01:44.11 | gordboy | it's a very nice export market. most people just hire kilts for weddings etc |
| 01:44.15 | thingfish | ah |
| 01:44.27 | thingfish | so you just go for the whitey-tighteys then. |
| 01:44.28 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 01:45.21 | ericsson | hi all |
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| 01:45.32 | gordboy | they have streaming video of the talks (allegedly) - https://debconf7.debconf.org/wiki/DebianDay |
| 01:45.57 | thingfish | seriously though, gordboy, I hope you have an excellent time. tell everyone 'hi' for the Debian users from Kansas City, Missouri, USA. |
| 01:46.10 | thingfish | which is probably just me. |
| 01:46.14 | gordboy | lol |
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| 01:46.42 | ericsson | I have a question |
| 01:46.45 | ericsson | how can I download rtsp stream in linux? it must be a way in linux |
| 01:46.59 | Guerin | ericsson: mplayer -dumpstream |
| 01:47.12 | gordboy | thingfish, no way. i met a guy in a bar last week with ubuntu on a lappy doing wifi email. it's a start. there's loads of kids giving it a go these days |
| 01:47.51 | gordboy | thingfish, and yes i'll pass on your best wishes :) |
| 01:47.53 | thingfish | gordboy: like you say, it's a start. |
| 01:48.02 | Guerin | LinuxNIT: what does dmesg say? |
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| 01:48.39 | thingfish | I can't even get the IT guys at work to try an ubuntu livecd, pussies. |
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| 01:49.22 | Guerin | i showed my cow-orkers how to hack the windows registry to disable the capslock key |
| 01:49.25 | thingfish | oh - one of them runs fedora at home. yay. |
| 01:49.31 | LinuxNIT | Guerin, http://pastebin.ca/569216 |
| 01:50.11 | Guerin | LinuxNIT: there should be more output, which may not show on dmesg |grep -i usb |
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| 01:50.49 | LinuxNIT | Guerin, you want all of dmesg? |
| 01:51.26 | Guerin | LinuxNIT: i want YOU to look at all of dmesg and see what else looks relevant |
| 01:51.40 | DeMoNSeEd | LinuxNIT, ! |
| 01:52.07 | LinuxNIT | http://pastebin.ca/569222 |
| 01:52.09 | karsten | gordboy: You call that living? |
| 01:52.14 | LinuxNIT | thats all that looks relavent to me |
| 01:52.19 | LinuxNIT | that is not piped through anything |
| 01:52.39 | thingfish | hey you know what's good? 1/3 red wine, 2/3 coca cola. |
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| 01:53.08 | thingfish | I heard they drink it in Spain, and so I tried it. Surprisingly delicious. |
| 01:53.14 | krazykit | yuck |
| 01:53.21 | krazykit | sounds worse than a wine-schalle |
| 01:53.28 | thingfish | I know, it sounds foul, but actually it's very tasty. |
| 01:53.29 | krazykit | which is wine and seltzer water |
| 01:53.35 | Guerin | LinuxNIT: ok, plug the fucking thing out, plug it back in, and paste anything new |
| 01:53.43 | thingfish | yeah that doesn't sound too good, krazykit |
| 01:53.58 | krazykit | it isn't. i should've paid the extra 1.50EU for the full glass of wine |
| 01:54.01 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:54.16 | thingfish | of course you have it over ice. |
| 01:54.36 | krazykit | i recommend 60% beer and 40% lemonade... called a radler. tasty tasty. |
| 01:54.39 | thingfish | an orange slice would make a good garnish. |
| 01:54.51 | thingfish | krazykit: ooo that *does* sound good. |
| 01:55.13 | karsten | krazykit: Damn straight. |
| 01:55.15 | Guerin | krazykit: called a `shandy' in NZ and we feed them to kids at christmas time |
| 01:55.20 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:55.24 | karsten | thingfish: very popular among German cyclists. |
| 01:55.32 | Guerin | krazykit: but yes, very good in the rare case you don't want to get completely wankered |
| 01:55.44 | LinuxNIT | Guerin, this is the old plus the new so you can see... it is pure dmesg. there is a space between the new and old.. http://pastebin.ca/569225 |
| 01:55.45 | thingfish | karsten: I'll definitely try it next time I have some lemonade. |
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| 01:56.29 | Guerin | LinuxNIT: that's the last thing after you plug it in? |
| 01:56.30 | krazykit | we accidentally bought a few in germany at a grocery. best accidental buy ever. |
| 01:56.38 | LinuxNIT | Guerin, yes |
| 01:57.03 | Guerin | LinuxNIT: beats me, then. Something is not recognising there's aven a device there. I blame udev. |
| 01:57.13 | LinuxNIT | k |
| 01:57.15 | LinuxNIT | thanks for trying |
| 01:57.40 | krazykit | LinuxNIT, i had that problem when i have a bad usb cable. it would pick it up for a second then disconnect |
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| 01:59.25 | troy- | i have an issue with pam_mount where when logging in via SSH it mounts the FS, but when i logout it leaves the FS mounted |
| 01:59.44 | troy- | this does not happen when logging in directly via the console |
| 02:00.29 | karsten | thingfish: Another brew to try is the Frambrois Lambic Ales. |
| 02:00.43 | minge | /leave |
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| 02:01.03 | karsten | thingfish: Particularly the raspberry. Apple and peach also available, not quite as good. |
| 02:01.20 | karsten | thingfish: http://www.beerliquors.com/buy/beer/Lindemans_Framboise_Raspberry_Lambic_Beer.htm |
| 02:01.24 | Guerin | krazykit: too sickly thought |
| 02:01.31 | Guerin | s/thought/though/ |
| 02:02.03 | sobersabre | krazykit: what is shandy then ? |
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| 02:02.17 | gordboy | karsten, it works for me. re your question earlier |
| 02:02.22 | karsten | sobersabre: Ask tristam. |
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| 02:02.37 | karsten | gordboy: Erm, what works? |
| 02:02.37 | nitro4ce | lcome to #ubuntu! Please read the channel topic and consider spending some time on the FAQ mentioned th |
| 02:02.46 | krazykit | nitro4ce, haha, no. |
| 02:02.57 | karsten | nitro4ce: Wrong channel. |
| 02:03.00 | sobersabre | I think it's exactly 60/40 with sprite/lemonade |
| 02:03.18 | gordboy | <karsten> gordboy: You call that living? |
| 02:03.35 | krazykit | sobersabre, with sprite, germans call it a beer-schalle (scholle?) |
| 02:03.35 | thingfish | karsten: I tend to not like fruit-flavored ales or beers. |
| 02:04.00 | nitro4ce | hi. i have freeciv 2.0.9 (latest stable) and can't switch to the sdl client. i'm stuck with the gtk+2 client |
| 02:04.57 | sobersabre | krazykit: I don't really like anything related to beer... but I do drink it sometimes... I can't find any reasons why. |
| 02:05.05 | sobersabre | It's bitter...not tasty |
| 02:05.12 | sobersabre | only it's liquid and cold... |
| 02:05.22 | thingfish | sobersabre: beer is like having a dick. You need it. |
| 02:05.31 | karsten | thingfish: If you ever find yourself in a position to sample the raspberry, do. I've heard that comment from a number of folks. And seen it reversed. |
| 02:05.37 | karsten | Swim time. |
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| 02:05.46 | sobersabre | thingfish: I don't know about your dick, but ... I do enjoy mine. |
| 02:05.49 | Guerin | krazykit: remember: swim THEN beer |
| 02:05.49 | mmlj4 | thingfish: one's my limit, thanks. |
| 02:05.52 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:05.54 | sobersabre | and the beer, is something else. |
| 02:05.58 | Guerin | karsten: remember: swim THEN beer |
| 02:06.00 | karsten | Guerin: Beer sprints! |
| 02:06.05 | krazykit | Guerin, good job at tab completing LP |
| 02:06.19 | krazykit | s/LP/\:P/ |
| 02:06.26 | Guerin | krazykit: yeah, i'm a tabcomplete ninja |
| 02:06.33 | thingfish | hehe "beer sprints" |
| 02:07.04 | troy- | anyone know why pam_mount is failing to unmount the FS when using SSH? |
| 02:07.25 | sobersabre | troy-: it should write some meaningful error |
| 02:07.58 | sobersabre | into syslog |
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| 02:09.15 | troy- | to be determined :) |
| 02:09.21 | DeMoNSeEd | LinuxNIT, |
| 02:09.30 | LinuxNIT | yes? |
| 02:09.41 | DeMoNSeEd | how ya been, long time no see |
| 02:09.56 | troy- | sobersabre, nothing |
| 02:09.57 | LinuxNIT | pretty good and you? |
| 02:09.57 | erflynn | It's official. a PIII is fucking slow at compiling the kernel |
| 02:10.21 | DeMoNSeEd | not bad, we've still doin' our thing on Jabber |
| 02:10.30 | thingfish | I bet it would do a 2.2 kernel just fine. ;) |
| 02:10.34 | troy- | sobersabre, an article on the net said to enable a setting in sshd_config but that was already done by default |
| 02:10.54 | LinuxNIT | ohhh... i was trying to remember where i knew that name from |
| 02:10.56 | LinuxNIT | :) |
| 02:11.00 | DeMoNSeEd | lol |
| 02:11.04 | DeMoNSeEd | now ya know |
| 02:11.08 | LinuxNIT | yep |
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| 02:11.31 | LinuxNIT | what was the channel name again? |
| 02:11.36 | troy- | found lots of crap in auth.log |
| 02:11.36 | DeMoNSeEd | gotux |
| 02:11.39 | LinuxNIT | right |
| 02:11.58 | Guerin | erflynn: you're not wrong |
| 02:12.00 | sobersabre | troy-: enable logging all the way down. and see what is the error. |
| 02:12.07 | DeMoNSeEd | we're rebuilding site, adding an iso site and putting up new forum |
| 02:12.38 | LinuxNIT | cool |
| 02:12.58 | troy- | sobersabre, how do i do that? |
| 02:13.05 | LinuxNIT | DeMoNSeEd, whats the url? |
| 02:13.17 | sobersabre | what is working on the client/server side ? |
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| 02:13.20 | Guerin | DeMoNSeEd: your nick makes you look like a spambot |
| 02:13.26 | Guerin | and |
| 02:13.27 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 02:13.31 | Guerin | !nickometer DeMoNSeEd |
| 02:13.33 | dpkg | 'DeMoNSeEd' is 27.000% lame, guerin |
| 02:13.34 | DeMoNSeEd | oh, unintentional |
| 02:13.41 | troy- | sobersabre, if i login via console pam_mount works mount/unmount, if i login via ssh pam_mount can mount but not unmount |
| 02:13.42 | Guerin | dpkg: too low |
| 02:13.49 | zinx | that deserves a good 80% |
| 02:13.55 | Guerin | at least |
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| 02:14.00 | DeMoNSeEd | lol |
| 02:14.18 | krazykit | !nickometer Guerin |
| 02:14.20 | dpkg | 'Guerin' is 0.000% lame, krazykit |
| 02:14.27 | Guerin | y'knowit |
| 02:15.30 | krazykit | heh, if your nick is |, you're only 14% lame |
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| 02:16.04 | unlink | i have a user vpn whose login group is dip. i'm trying to run /usr/sbin/pppd, which is mode rwsr-x---, owner root, group dip, as user vpn. however, i get the error message /usr/sbin/pppd: using the noauth option requires root privilege |
| 02:16.10 | mutante | !nickometer mutante |
| 02:16.11 | dpkg | 'mutante' is 0.000% lame, mutante |
| 02:16.25 | Guerin | it's vain to nickometer yourself |
| 02:16.35 | mutante | ok,i didnt know |
| 02:16.40 | unlink | !nickometer dpkg |
| 02:16.41 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, unlink |
| 02:16.58 | mutante | we are all not lame anyways |
| 02:17.22 | mutante | !drunkometer mutante |
| 02:17.34 | unlink | !nickometer LinuxNIT |
| 02:17.35 | dpkg | 'LinuxNIT' is 14.000% lame, unlink |
| 02:17.49 | LinuxNIT | ha |
| 02:18.07 | unlink | !nickometer Xanthor[aw] |
| 02:18.09 | dpkg | 'Xanthor[aw]' is 10.000% lame, unlink |
| 02:18.20 | Guerin | ok, the nickomete algorithm appearsd to have been changed |
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| 02:18.28 | troy- | sobersabre, ? |
| 02:18.30 | Guerin | he's much more forgiving now than he used to be |
| 02:18.39 | sobersabre | sorry, I am working. |
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| 02:19.49 | unlink | i thought -rws meant that if you executed it, it got root priveledge |
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| 02:20.20 | unlink | *privelege |
| 02:20.31 | Guerin | privilege |
| 02:20.53 | unlink | that |
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| 02:25.48 | pablo_ | hi, which is better in open source terms, java or c#? |
| 02:27.46 | mmlj4 | pablo_: um, lemme ask you, which one isn't put out by microsoft? |
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| 02:30.18 | pablo_ | mmlj4: yeah, but the java vm is close and mono is open |
| 02:30.18 | mmlj4 | there's your answer... oh, by the way, java has been GPL'd, to my knowledge |
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| 02:30.30 | mmlj4 | but mono is a trap, as novell is about to find out |
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| 02:30.50 | pablo_ | mmlj4: java has nop gpled |
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| 02:31.03 | mmlj4 | and if you want free impementations, there's half a dozen out there |
| 02:31.54 | Xenguy | pablo_: I believe that Sun intends to GPL java |
| 02:32.07 | Xenguy | pablo_: I don't know exactly *when* that is happening tho |
| 02:32.31 | Xenguy | pablo_: anyway, an announcement definitely was made |
| 02:33.15 | pablo_ | Xenguy: yeah, many years hace passed |
| 02:33.41 | Xenguy | pablo_: no, this was recently actually (a few weeks ago?) |
| 02:34.07 | Guerin | well, they keep on about it |
| 02:34.18 | Guerin | the actual announcement was late last year |
| 02:34.29 | Guerin | rumours are that they're waiting until gplv3 |
| 02:35.31 | Xenguy | heh, longer ago than I thought: http://digg.com/programming/Sun_to_Open_Source_Java_Under_GPL_v2 |
| 02:35.38 | Xenguy | 2/3 year |
| 02:35.43 | Xenguy | or so |
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| 02:37.29 | onikazi | hi, does anyone know how to setup a tri-boot system? I'm currently dual booting XP and Xandros, I just bought a 320GB HD that I want to install Debian on and tri-boot until I get Debian setup and my files transfered from the Xandros partion. |
| 02:37.33 | pablo_ | Xenguy: so why do you think java is better than mono? |
| 02:37.57 | Xenguy | pablo_: I never commented on that issue |
| 02:38.17 | pablo_ | Xenguy: ha, ok so which do you prefer? |
| 02:38.49 | Xenguy | pablo_: offhand I'd say that java makes more sense, since it is the competition to M$, but that's just my uninformed opinion ;-) |
| 02:38.57 | Guerin | onikazi: as simple as modifying youtr grub menu to include the third partition |
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| 02:39.49 | Xenguy | pablo_: Where I work it is a java shop for example; java certainly has lots of uptake |
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| 02:40.04 | Xenguy | pablo_: I don't code java myself tho |
| 02:40.53 | troy- | anyone know why pam_mount fails to unmount an fs when logged in via SSH? |
| 02:41.16 | Guerin | troy-: seems not. Perhaps better talking to the authors, or something? |
| 02:41.17 | Pons | guys, anyone knows a way of logging bash consoles |
| 02:41.18 | onikazi | Guerin, so when I install the new HD I can install Debian from a bootable CD and it should work the same as setting up a dual boot on a single HD? |
| 02:41.27 | Guerin | Pons: explain what you mean |
| 02:41.37 | Guerin | onikazi: yep. |
| 02:41.58 | pablo_ | Xenguy: in what do you code? |
| 02:42.21 | Pons | Guerin, bash logs all commands on .bash_history, but something to log it elsewhere, where users cannot delete the logs |
| 02:42.44 | Guerin | Pons: hard-link the bash_history files to a localtion of your choosing |
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| 02:43.16 | Xenguy | pablo_: I just meant that I'm not a 'programmer'; I do scripting occasionally, for my own purposes, most bash, some perl and php |
| 02:43.34 | Guerin | Pons: there might be some means in bash to make it log elsewhere, but I see this as largely pointless |
| 02:43.37 | Xenguy | pablo_: bash = shell scripting |
| 02:44.02 | shiki | ive installed my wireless card with ndiswrapper, when i do ndiswrapper -l it appears that it have succesfully recogniced and installed the card, but when i do iwconfig it doesnt appears any wlan0, how can i fix this?, please help |
| 02:45.06 | onikazi | Guerin, thanks. I'm going to go ahead and install everything. I'll probably be back either late tonight or sometime tomorrow to get help setting it up. I'm still trying to learn my way around Linux which is why I had Xandros to begin with. |
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| 02:45.45 | pablo_ | Xenguy: yeah i know bash |
| 02:46.22 | Xenguy | pablo_: is there a particular reason you want to learn programming? For work, or ...? |
| 02:47.48 | pablo_ | Xenguy: for university, i can choose either c# or java, and wanted to know which fits better on oss |
| 02:52.10 | troy- | anyone know how i would add this to the pam config? cryptumount /usr/bin/umount.crypt %(MNTPT) |
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| 02:52.38 | Xenguy | pablo_: I see... well I think you should get many opinions, but overall my impression is that java has more of an OSS future than C# (which is really a wind0ze language I think) |
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| 02:59.30 | shiki | !ndiswrapper |
| 02:59.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
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| 03:02.52 | maddash | [sigh] when, oh, when, dear ati, will you fix your suspend support? |
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| 03:07.40 | guenderode | iceweasel wont start for me, it says libcairo.so.2 was not found, but when i create the symlink, that points to it, it says memory error |
| 03:10.29 | Guerin | guenderode: what branch? |
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| 03:13.17 | guenderode | Guerin: testing |
| 03:14.15 | guenderode | there should be a symlink ibcairo.so.2.11.3 to ibcairo.so.2 |
| 03:14.30 | guenderode | thats the file that iceweasel is missing |
| 03:14.41 | guenderode | when i create it, it says memory error |
| 03:14.46 | guenderode | speicherfehler |
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| 03:30.25 | guenderode | hm |
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| 03:35.29 | atula | hello everyone. I got a 30gb video ipod running rockbox. I've edited my fstab like so: /dev/sda1 /home/myname/usb vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 however, when I do mount usb I got wrong fs type, bad option, ad superblock on /dev/sda1 anyone have a suggestion? |
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| 03:36.21 | juanjoba | hi |
| 03:36.22 | Guerin | atula: are you sure it's /dev/sda1? My wife's mp3 player is /dev/sda (no partition table, just a single partition) |
| 03:36.31 | Guerin | hers isn't iCrap, though |
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| 03:36.48 | atula | Guerin, I'll give that a try |
| 03:37.02 | Guerin | atula: wehat i mean is, don't gues sthe device |
| 03:37.03 | Guerin | find it out |
| 03:37.08 | krazykit | atula, if it's an ipod, it's probably sda2. you could also join us on #rockbox if you like |
| 03:37.08 | Guerin | fdisk -l should tell you |
| 03:37.11 | Guerin | as should dmesg |
| 03:37.55 | krazykit | atula, actually, do make sure it's a windows/fat32 formatted ipod, since the hfs+/mac ones don't work |
| 03:38.01 | krazykit | with rockbox, that is |
| 03:38.31 | atula | krazykit, \O/ yay! /dev/sda2 worked. is there a reason? |
| 03:38.42 | Guerin | because apple are fucktarded |
| 03:38.47 | krazykit | atula, cuz that's the partition? |
| 03:38.54 | krazykit | Just How It IS |
| 03:39.03 | atula | I would imagine there is only 1 partition... but eh |
| 03:39.08 | Guerin | but yeah, mainly the lesson here is `don't guess when you can find out' |
| 03:40.22 | krazykit | i always let pmount take care of it though ;-) |
| 03:41.47 | atula | krazykit, ah wtf. I just unplugged and plugged it back in... mount: special device /dev/sda2 does not exist |
| 03:42.41 | krazykit | atula, uh, maybe it's sdb now for some reason? |
| 03:42.52 | atula | krazykit, forget it.. it works not... this is retarded |
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| 03:43.27 | krazykit | atula, no, this is ipooooooooooooooooood! |
| 03:43.29 | Guerin | atula: usb mass storage isn't instant |
| 03:43.40 | Guerin | it takes a few seconds to start working |
| 03:43.52 | Guerin | krazykit: that's what he said ... retarded |
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| 03:44.17 | atula | :D oh well.. as long as I could replicate my success with it twice... I'm sure it'll work in the future |
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| 03:44.32 | atula | the problem though... regular usb flash drive is /dev/sda1 |
| 03:44.52 | Guerin | atula: separate lines in fstab, separate mount points |
| 03:45.19 | atula | Guerin, I am OCD.... it will drive me nuts |
| 03:45.26 | atula | 1 USB port... two mount points |
| 03:45.34 | atula | that will make me angry! |
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| 03:47.29 | Guerin | atula: you get angry about the stupidest shit |
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| 03:47.42 | Guerin | mind you |
| 03:47.48 | atula | Guerin, I can I can.... |
| 03:48.07 | Guerin | if you were REALLY ocd, you'd be using OSX with your unmodified ipod |
| 03:48.30 | Guerin | with the $60 perspex notebook stand |
| 03:48.31 | atula | Guerin, but I am straight... :/ |
| 03:48.37 | Guerin | and all the other iTard gear |
| 03:48.43 | Guerin | atula: heh, point. |
| 03:48.54 | atula | I hate ipod.... |
| 03:48.58 | atula | but it was a gift |
| 03:49.34 | atula | my siblings began to wonder why I don't use the christmas gift... from last year... I just recently started using it Rockboxed it right away |
| 03:49.40 | atula | sooo there... it's not by choice... |
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| 03:51.01 | Guerin | hey, you don't have to defend your iTardedness to me ;) |
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| 03:55.03 | militant | quick question (i hope). google isn't giving me any clue why kopete fails at yahoo webcams? gf's overseas on vacation .. and kopete just reports "webcam for is unavailable" ... yes, with the userid missing, like that. |
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| 03:59.11 | atula | omg. I just heard some footsteps.... in the datacenter... but no one is here but me.... |
| 04:00.47 | jetscreamer | zomg! |
| 04:00.53 | jetscreamer | call 911 |
| 04:01.09 | jetscreamer | hit hte alarm |
| 04:01.11 | jetscreamer | the |
| 04:01.35 | atula | heh... no alarms |
| 04:01.41 | atula | I'll just have to brave it like a man |
| 04:01.53 | atula | I hate night shift techs |
| 04:02.19 | jetscreamer | sharpen some cd's and use them like shuriken |
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| 04:02.56 | jetscreamer | ooo ... a cd 'eject' button.... |
| 04:03.15 | sweetandy | So I'm playing Netris with my friend - I'm on a Debian computer, he's on my Mac. Are there other network games we can play? |
| 04:03.31 | krazykit | armegetron-ad, probably |
| 04:03.36 | atula | jetscreamer, 10 points for good imagination |
| 04:03.36 | sweetandy | oh yeah!~ |
| 04:03.39 | krazykit | i think wesnoth has a mac port too |
| 04:03.39 | jetscreamer | quake |
| 04:03.40 | sweetandy | it's installed on both |
| 04:03.44 | jetscreamer | tremulous |
| 04:03.46 | sweetandy | Whoa wesnoth does? that rules |
| 04:03.48 | \amethyst | sweetandy: netrek? |
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| 04:03.55 | sweetandy | netrek... that's like.. erm... |
| 04:03.59 | sweetandy | Thanks for the ideas though guys |
| 04:04.01 | jetscreamer | bzflag |
| 04:04.03 | sweetandy | I'll look into quake too |
| 04:04.04 | krazykit | crack-attack |
| 04:04.05 | jetscreamer | netris |
| 04:04.08 | sweetandy | later dudes! |
| 04:04.10 | sweetandy | 8 ) |
| 04:04.16 | jetscreamer | tremulous is quake based |
| 04:04.25 | jetscreamer | and in sources.. non-free iirc |
| 04:04.42 | Kemical | is there an podcast player in linux that can allow me to skip through podcast"s songs and provide about current band playing? |
| 04:04.42 | jetscreamer | there's always enemy territory |
| 04:05.25 | atula | I was going to give audacious a try instead of putting xmms on the brand new install... but eh... it didn't go as smooth as I thought it did... back to xmms |
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| 04:06.29 | dfranke_ | Is there a way to tell dpkg not to ever screw around with my /boot/grub/menu.lst? It misdetects a bunch of stuff and it's annoying to keep fixing it. |
| 04:07.19 | Guerin | dfranke_: it doesn't misdetect anything, it auto-populates a bunch of stuff which you tell it to. Read the file - it's self-documenting, and not everything preceded by a # is a comment |
| 04:08.00 | Guerin | Kemical: that would be more to do with the podcast than the player |
| 04:08.57 | dfranke_ | oh! ok, got it. |
| 04:09.13 | Guerin | !grand |
| 04:09.14 | dpkg | It's not called the GRAND Unified Bootloader for nothing. |
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| 04:09.19 | alanhaggai_ | My network connection is showing activity though I am not downloading anything. How can I find out the application that is using my bandwidth? |
| 04:09.32 | troy- | The_8472, "PAM module like pam_mount is to unmount a user's home directory upon logging out because programs like xscreensaver will block an unmount with open file descriptors." |
| 04:09.40 | wols | alanhaggai_: netstat, ntop, etc |
| 04:09.43 | troy- | sorry :< |
| 04:09.56 | Guerin | alanhaggai_: netstat -punta should show current network connections; something like ntop will show more detailk |
| 04:10.19 | Guerin | !test |
| 04:10.20 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 04:10.24 | Guerin | :( |
| 04:10.29 | alanhaggai_ | Thanks wols and Guerin :) |
| 04:10.52 | Kemical | guerin:i know, but in itunes i can see current band playing and skip through pod cast from song to song, i know the podcast has that feature |
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| 04:11.45 | krazykit | Kemical, sounds like either an embedded CUE or something proprietary from apple |
| 04:12.09 | Guerin | Kemical: mm, i dunno then. It's probably some sort of cache magick which allows it to skip; anythingshould show the metadata. |
| 04:12.36 | ivx | hey i'm trying to delete a file, the file doesn't have write permission, i tried to do chmod 777 on it and delete it but it won't let me, even as root, how can i delete it |
| 04:12.43 | floppypond | iirc it's an advanced podcast or enhanced, whatever word apple uses, afaik it is proprietary, you'd need quicktime/itunes |
| 04:12.46 | Guerin | mplayer definitely can, but since it's mostly impossible to skip through a stream, I'd say that's the big challenge |
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| 04:13.16 | Kemical | crap :( |
| 04:13.17 | Guerin | ivx: the containing directory permissions determine whether you can write to that dir |
| 04:13.39 | \amethyst | ivx: what does lsattr say about the file? Containing directory permissions would stop ordinary users, but not root? |
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| 04:14.43 | Guerin | containing dir permissions could stop root |
| 04:14.48 | Guerin | it would depend on the specifics |
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| 04:15.21 | ivx | \amethyst it just says, ------------------ /quota.group |
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| 04:16.48 | \amethyst | ivx: what are the permissions on /, and what filesystem is it? |
| 04:17.05 | atula | is there a way to get xmms-wma without upping to unstable |
| 04:17.22 | Guerin | atula: try debian-multimedia |
| 04:17.22 | atula | I mean.. if i have to... I should go to unstable... but if I don't... no point in making it unstable |
| 04:17.28 | Guerin | atula: .org |
| 04:17.39 | atula | ah. gonna use that to get mplayer anyways. thanks |
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| 04:17.53 | wols | atula: you could also backport |
| 04:17.53 | krazykit | atula, but breakage is so much fun! |
| 04:17.57 | ivx | \amethyst ext3, i'm not sure how to check the permission of / but i deleted something else i needed to in that dir |
| 04:18.00 | \amethyst | ivx: the quota files are special for some filesystems, and can't be deleted |
| 04:18.25 | atula | I'm actually trying to see if I can get everything I need with stable |
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| 04:19.16 | ivx | \amethyst i thought those where the ones needed so i can monitor each webpage usage |
| 04:19.30 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 04:23.36 | kritical | Can anyone tell me the command to repeat another command every x seconds? |
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| 04:24.03 | kritical | I used it the other day but for the life of me I can't remember |
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| 04:24.51 | Xenguy | kritical: watch ? |
| 04:25.08 | kritical | Xenguy, ahh thats it, thanks =) |
| 04:25.12 | Xenguy | np |
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| 04:28.39 | atula | hmmm... after add the multimedia mirror to the source.list aptitude update returned this error : GPG error: link ... signature... no PUBKEY... yadda yadda.. |
| 04:28.58 | atula | that's the first time I've seen it... then again I haven't dealt with debian in a while |
| 04:30.21 | Guerin | that's because you didn't read the freaking instructions |
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| 04:32.17 | atula | Guerin, you got me... I ... dont... read... |
| 04:33.41 | nomasteryoda|w | hey, watch |
| 04:33.45 | nomasteryoda|w | ya... |
| 04:33.58 | nomasteryoda|w | freaking instructions are the worst kind to read... =D |
| 04:34.12 | atula | Guerin, there is no instruction.. just the get the CPG key |
| 04:34.15 | atula | hah! |
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| 04:35.48 | Guerin | right |
| 04:35.56 | Guerin | simple eh? |
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| 04:36.41 | atula | aaaaaaahhhh... gotta scroll down... now that's a concept... scrolling to the bottom of the page to find the "for-simpleton" instructions... *sigh... |
| 04:36.42 | Guerin | man,. all my cd drives are fux0red |
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| 04:38.11 | atula | Guerin, ouch... what to do? wishing you had raid ? |
| 04:38.18 | Guerin | the dvdr in vadreas will open, but whenever I try to mount anything in it I get `no medium'; the one in dmz sometimes opens and sometimes doesn't, and the paperclip trick only makes it open about 25% of the time, and occasionally stops reading about 400MB into a disk |
| 04:38.39 | atula | oooh.. that drive |
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| 04:39.27 | punto | hi.. what's the new debian name of thunderbird? |
| 04:39.33 | Guerin | punto: icedove |
| 04:39.58 | punto | blah. 'ice' is not the opposite of 'thunder' |
| 04:40.24 | Guerin | `weasel' is not the opposite of `fox' |
| 04:40.41 | atula | we're stickign with the cool theme man... |
| 04:41.02 | punto | it kinda is.. |
| 04:41.05 | krazykit | punto, dirtweasel sounds dumb |
| 04:41.16 | krazykit | er |
| 04:41.19 | krazykit | dirtdove, i guess |
| 04:41.25 | krazykit | waterweasel would be silly too |
| 04:41.32 | punto | as much as something can be opposed to a fox |
| 04:41.39 | atula | like a pokemon.. gotta catch them all!!!! |
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| 04:44.02 | mrynit | is /dev/sde a normal location/name for a usb flash drive |
| 04:44.25 | punto | sunshinemole |
| 04:44.33 | wols | mrynit: yes |
| 04:44.46 | mrynit | cool thax |
| 04:45.11 | nvz | mrynit: no, but its a name for a device node that a usb_storage driver might attach it to using the scsi disk module |
| 04:45.43 | pab | Is it a debian thing that httpd.conf seems deprecated or do I need to find an apache2 irc for this question? |
| 04:46.32 | nvz | seems deprecated? |
| 04:46.41 | mrynit | nvz: the usb flash drive appears on my desktop and i did fdisk -l as root and it shows my usb flash drive as /dev/sde1 |
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| 04:47.27 | nvz | interesting, whats that got to do with a hot roast beef sandwitch? |
| 04:47.29 | pab | everytime I try to use it, it doesn't work. If I use sites-enabables or mods-enabled...it does |
| 04:48.30 | nvz | man a hot roast beef sandwitch would be freakin awesome right now |
| 04:49.02 | mrynit | nvz: how about corned beeF? |
| 04:49.07 | nvz | blah |
| 04:50.16 | nvz | just roasted beast on lightly toasted bread, covered in gravy with some mashed potato or french fries.. |
| 04:50.35 | nvz | yep.. I really gotta go to Maples soon for some famous roast beef sandwitch |
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| 04:50.51 | mrynit | nvz: are you east coast? |
| 04:50.56 | nvz | yes |
| 04:51.22 | mrynit | that food is fitting for east coasr |
| 04:51.36 | atula | weird... alsa isn't installed by default? been freakin' playing with oss all night..:( |
| 04:52.00 | nvz | I suppose |
| 04:52.18 | nvz | nothing is installed by default |
| 04:52.35 | nvz | weird thing about computers is, they only do what you tell them to |
| 04:52.42 | atula | damn it... now it doesn't work... xmms is complaining... arrg! sudo aptitude install alsa doesn't get everything? |
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| 04:53.49 | punto | not really, I just asked for sunshinemole and it downloaded 50mb of crap |
| 04:54.06 | krazykit | atula, there's no such package as "alsa" i didn't think. you may need xmms-alsa or something like that |
| 04:54.55 | atula | lair! there's no xmms-alsa |
| 04:55.17 | krazykit | i don't use xmms! it's old and ugly! |
| 04:55.18 | atula | gettting the virtual package alsa will install alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 04:55.23 | atula | audacious? |
| 04:55.29 | krazykit | amarok |
| 04:55.45 | krazykit | there should be a config in xmms to use alsa |
| 04:55.45 | atula | oo.. thanks, lemme check it out |
| 04:55.53 | nvz | bloated music players the lot of em |
| 04:55.56 | Supaplex | neato. I can assign the same ip address to my ibook for wireless and wired. :) dhcp3d.conf has two hardware ethernet lines. yay. |
| 04:56.06 | krazykit | it pulls in a ton of kde junk that you don't need, atula |
| 04:57.09 | atula | heh. I'll stick with xmms for now |
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| 05:01.34 | atula | oookkk... well... moving to unstable... |
| 05:01.43 | nvz | heh |
| 05:01.49 | nvz | famous last words |
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| 05:02.18 | atula | you know... I just want the gnome terminal... but it's goign to use abotu 340MB of space |
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| 05:02.32 | atula | the whole environment is only about 900MB |
| 05:02.45 | atula | dang.. I guess the terminal needs everything |
| 05:02.54 | nvz | gnome-terminal is crap |
| 05:03.09 | krazykit | xfce-terminal is good if you need something that heavy |
| 05:03.26 | krazykit | otherwise, (u)rxvt |
| 05:03.28 | atula | I just want something like xterm with tab |
| 05:03.29 | atula | that's all |
| 05:03.33 | atula | I just want the tab |
| 05:03.50 | krazykit | atula, use screen. it's much better than tabs |
| 05:03.58 | nvz | tabbed terminal emulators just wish they were screen |
| 05:04.15 | krazykit | they cry themselves to sleep wishing they were screen |
| 05:04.49 | nvz | they sit around and wait() to be screen |
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| 05:05.09 | atula | well... going to do another fresh install... |
| 05:05.11 | Supaplex | they don't fuq with my keybindings :P |
| 05:05.43 | atula | :P I install debian 10 times.. it will refresh my memory |
| 05:05.59 | nvz | clicky clique |
| 05:06.03 | atula | besides.. I have about 7 more hours to waste |
| 05:06.10 | krazykit | debian-installer could be used by a monkey |
| 05:06.14 | krazykit | it's that simple now |
| 05:06.16 | atula | yay 12 hour shift |
| 05:06.23 | atula | haha.. yeah |
| 05:06.32 | Supaplex | reinstall? what's that? ;) this box installed from potato. and dist-upgraded along the way. |
| 05:06.38 | Xenguy | krazykit: true |
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| 05:06.41 | nvz | as long as the monkey knows how to press enter |
| 05:06.59 | Supaplex | nvz: easy. remap all keys to ... enter. :-d |
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| 05:07.09 | atula | it's going to have to enter some text at some point.. jeez... you need a combination of Homer's yes-bird and a monkey |
| 05:07.28 | nvz | no, its all WIDHE compliant |
| 05:07.34 | dsl_ | Is there such thing as kernel 2.5.999-test7-bk-17_i386 |
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| 05:07.43 | dsl_ | is that a real kernal upgrade? |
| 05:07.50 | krazykit | !kernal |
| 05:07.51 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 05:08.03 | karsten | !kernel |
| 05:08.04 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.21.5, prepatch: 2.6.22-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.22-rc4-git7, 2.4: 2.4.34.5, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre5, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.22-rc4-mm2 |
| 05:08.14 | nvz | there is no reason to be running any 2.5 kernel |
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| 05:08.53 | Supaplex | dsl_: if it is, 2.5.999-test7-bk-17_i386 is far older than 2.6. besides 2.5 is dangeous to use unless you know exactly what you're up against. |
| 05:09.09 | vladuz976 | hi, i just installed debian. i hear firefox is available under a different name in debian. what is the name of the package? |
| 05:09.11 | Supaplex | do they make 2.5 anymore? :P |
| 05:09.18 | krazykit | vladuz976, iceweasel |
| 05:09.30 | dsl_ | But i dont have 2.6 upgrade avalibal for this system |
| 05:09.34 | karsten | vladuz976: See also icedove (thunderbird) |
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| 05:09.45 | Supaplex | dsl_: what are you running? |
| 05:09.47 | dsl_ | i would love to get it |
| 05:09.51 | nvz | I don't think they do, cause they said the were gonna stop using the odd/even testing/stable deal |
| 05:09.57 | vladuz976 | krazykit: karsten thanks |
| 05:09.59 | dsl_ | rather not say due to past incodences |
| 05:10.02 | karsten | !tell vladuz976 about search |
| 05:10.07 | bolt | dsl_: wtf? |
| 05:10.10 | nvz | damn small linux |
| 05:10.10 | krazykit | dsl_, are you not running debian then? |
| 05:10.12 | karsten | vladuz976: ... you can find most of this stuff yourself FYI. |
| 05:10.27 | dsl_ | yes im running debian, and no Not Damn small linux |
| 05:10.33 | atula | vladuz976, iceweasal.. but firefox works too |
| 05:10.38 | karsten | dsl_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:10.39 | Supaplex | dsl_: you do realise apt doesn't turn a distro into debian. right? |
| 05:10.48 | vladuz976 | atula: oh it does |
| 05:10.48 | nvz | thats what all liars say |
| 05:10.59 | karsten | nvz: Chill. |
| 05:11.13 | dsl_ | supaplex, yes |
| 05:11.46 | dsl_ | Karsten, Testing_unstable |
| 05:11.51 | Supaplex | dsl_: we're not obligated to any other distro than debian, but if you insist, we'll tell you the debian way. regardless, if your box goes boom, well, you get to keep all the pieces. O.o :) |
| 05:12.10 | dsl_ | dont worry about it its debian |
| 05:12.17 | dsl_ | but a way downgraded version |
| 05:12.23 | krazykit | then upgrade |
| 05:12.30 | dsl_ | thats what i want to do |
| 05:12.30 | nvz | debain has never packaged 2.5 ever |
| 05:12.34 | karsten | dsl_: aptitude update and re-check. Also note that kernel names have changed. It's now "linux-image" not "kernel-image" |
| 05:12.36 | dsl_ | but i can only go as far as 2.5 |
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| 05:12.53 | Supaplex | dsl_: alright. if you're not running a 2.6 kernel, check out the etch release notes about how to upgrade to etch, at the least. You'll have 2.6 by the time you're done. 2.4 is no more in etch. |
| 05:12.58 | nvz | and there is no debian version 2.5 |
| 05:13.01 | karsten | dsl_: Upgrade the rest of your distro. Don't skip versions. Then upgrade the kernel. |
| 05:13.13 | nvz | after 2.2 came 3.0 |
| 05:13.15 | dsl_ | i dont want to upgrade to that its a 128 download on my dialup |
| 05:13.16 | karsten | nvz: 2.5 == kernel revis, not debian, AFAICT. |
| 05:13.29 | karsten | dsl_: Cry me a river. |
| 05:13.29 | nvz | karsten: which was never a part of debian |
| 05:13.32 | Supaplex | dsl_: why is 2.5 the limit? and who in $diety's name would install 2.5, unless it was by hand? |
| 05:13.33 | karsten | !apt-zip |
| 05:13.33 | dpkg | from memory, apt-zip is Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 05:13.35 | atula | dsl_, have you tried windows? |
| 05:13.40 | karsten | dsl_: ^^ |
| 05:13.45 | atula | it's easier |
| 05:13.46 | krazykit | lol |
| 05:13.53 | Zoo | lol |
| 05:14.00 | dsl_ | oml, i knew comming here was a bad i dea |
| 05:14.06 | karsten | atula: No swearing in channel. |
| 05:14.08 | Zoo | lot of maintenance :- ) |
| 05:14.15 | atula | dsl_, no no... kidding kidding |
| 05:14.20 | Supaplex | donate it to me instead. I'll make good use of it. |
| 05:14.20 | karsten | dsl_: I've done updates on dialup. If you can run overnight it's doable. |
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| 05:14.31 | atula | dsl_, honestly.. running stable etch is hard enough as it is.. you should really upgrade |
| 05:14.33 | karsten | dsl_: If you can't, apt-zip, o rmove the system to a location w/ broadband. |
| 05:14.39 | Zoo | just get broadband, or try to steal wireless :- ) |
| 05:14.45 | karsten | s/o rmove/or move/ |
| 05:14.47 | Zoo | dial-up is stoneage |
| 05:14.47 | wols | dsl_: I am curious: where did you get your current kernel? that 2.5.99 thing? |
| 05:14.52 | dsl_ | belive me if i could i would |
| 05:15.02 | Zoo | I can't even believe people stlil use it |
| 05:15.02 | dsl_ | from the synaptic i have |
| 05:15.16 | wols | dsl_: which uses what repositories? |
| 05:15.17 | valdyn | !dsl |
| 05:15.17 | dpkg | somebody said dsl was Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 05:15.19 | krazykit | then you've got some seriously screwed up sources.list |
| 05:15.38 | karsten | dsl_: Your situation _does_ seem a tad peculiar. |
| 05:15.47 | dsl_ | ....? |
| 05:15.52 | wols | dsl_: and that 2.5 kernel is a dsl kernel. you run dsl, period |
| 05:16.01 | karsten | dsl_: How far from Orlando, FL are you? |
| 05:16.07 | valdyn | @based on debian |
| 05:16.07 | karsten | dsl_: ... and hopefully not by boat. |
| 05:16.14 | atula | OOOOooooooooooohh!!1 DSL as in Damn Small Linux... aaah |
| 05:16.16 | dsl_ | I dont live in roladndo, stop WHOIS ing me |
| 05:16.25 | valdyn | !based on debian |
| 05:16.26 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 05:16.33 | karsten | dsl_: Was this system originally a Debian system or did you convert from something else? |
| 05:16.44 | Zoo | its probably where your Servers are located though, for your ISP |
| 05:16.44 | atula | hehe.. alright alright... try DSL channel.. dsl_ |
| 05:16.51 | karsten | dsl_: Privacy's dead, and I'm trying to help (and I'm not happy about privacy being dead either). |
| 05:16.52 | dsl_ | i converted it from windows |
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| 05:16.54 | Zoo | it doesn't matter, they could be a state away |
| 05:16.56 | Supaplex | why not install debian? :) really now. |
| 05:16.57 | karsten | dsl_: How? |
| 05:17.11 | Supaplex | dsl_: really. so you installed apt in windows? ;) |
| 05:17.11 | Zoo | why not gentoo :- ) |
| 05:17.13 | dsl_ | by puting a bottable cd in |
| 05:17.14 | mrynit | I downloaded syslinux source and i need to compile it. I do not know how to do this. there is a make file. and some sorta config file |
| 05:17.19 | Supaplex | !gentoosmite Zoo |
| 05:17.22 | karsten | dsl_: Saving your package list and doing a fresh install _might_ be a better step at this point. |
| 05:17.22 | dsl_ | wt* |
| 05:17.27 | atula | dsl_, you can get a debian netinstall cd for around 150MB |
| 05:17.27 | karsten | dsl_: Which bootable CD? |
| 05:17.29 | atula | you can do it |
| 05:17.44 | karsten | atula: On dialup I wouldn't do that. |
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| 05:18.00 | atula | oh... there are people still on dialup? wow... |
| 05:18.01 | wols | mrynit: how did you get the syslinx sources? |
| 05:18.04 | Zoo | dsl, netinstall, and expert install lol |
| 05:18.11 | valdyn | !lol |
| 05:18.12 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 05:18.20 | Zoo | or take your system to a library or something : P |
| 05:18.33 | atula | bwahahaha |
| 05:18.39 | mrynit | wols: downloaded it from http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/boot/syslinux/ |
| 05:18.47 | karsten | dsl_: My recommendation: get, buy, borrow, or steal a current set of Etch install disks. dpkg --get-selections >packagelist, save that file. Install *just* base etch, then: dpkg --set-selections <packagelist; aptitude dselect-upgrade |
| 05:18.54 | wols | mrynit: why did you download it from there? any special reason? |
| 05:18.58 | karsten | cchance: ... using CD sources |
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| 05:19.27 | wols | ah, cchance. the dsl user from before... |
| 05:19.32 | mrynit | the install guide for dam small linux pointed me ther to get it |
| 05:19.33 | wols | cchance: why did you lie to us? |
| 05:19.38 | cchance | i can probrubly go to micdonalds tomarow and get it |
| 05:19.39 | nvz | wols: heh, clever eh? |
| 05:19.44 | wols | mrynit: we don't support DSL here |
| 05:19.52 | Zoo | maybe I should mail it to ya lol |
| 05:19.59 | Zoo | or say, 3 dvd's eh? |
| 05:20.06 | valdyn | !troll cchance |
| 05:20.12 | Zoo | heh, between me landscaping, and customizing systems, I can afford that.. meh |
| 05:20.20 | Zoo | and dj'n too |
| 05:20.27 | cchance | f this |
| 05:20.29 | mrynit | wols: yes i know but my question is how to i compile source in general. |
| 05:20.45 | Zoo | dsl, where abouts do you live at man |
| 05:20.46 | karsten | valdyn: Stop that. |
| 05:20.49 | atula | @cchance haha |
| 05:20.54 | Zoo | other country than USA? |
| 05:20.59 | atula | he's gone... |
| 05:21.05 | wols | mrynit: apt-get. and we still don't support DSL "in general". for general linux questions ##linux |
| 05:21.25 | Zoo | ah okay, I just got up, to put brats on the George Forman I wish I wouldn't of bought, I didn't even know it didn't have a control switch |
| 05:21.46 | wols | karsten: cchance IS a troll |
| 05:21.49 | mrynit | wols: i did but the deb was too old |
| 05:22.00 | Supaplex | l3's dialup pools can be as far as another state away. eg, utah users connect through the colorado pools. |
| 05:22.01 | wols | he's been here several times,a nd when we told him we don't support DSL, he now lied to us |
| 05:22.03 | karsten | wols: I'm not convinced, and you're not helping. |
| 05:22.21 | karsten | wols: save logs next time. |
| 05:22.33 | wols | karsten: I still have them. still in /lastlog |
| 05:22.34 | mrynit | wols: ok.... |
| 05:22.36 | valdyn | !lastlog cchance |
| 05:22.40 | valdyn | ops |
| 05:22.41 | Zoo | mrynit: , this can help too, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 05:22.45 | karsten | wols: pastebin or privmsg |
| 05:23.06 | valdyn | 23:29 < cchance> its is practicaly debian |
| 05:23.09 | nvz | I'm convinced he's got software thats not in debian now or ever, and he's on dialup and wont say what cd he got cause he used DSL thinkin it would be small and simple for him |
| 05:23.12 | valdyn | heh, neat |
| 05:23.43 | karsten | nvz: Could be. It's still possible to educate him w/o insulting him. |
| 05:24.04 | karsten | The point, folks, is to let the trolls out themselves with their bad behavior, not us. |
| 05:24.05 | nvz | karsten: its still possible for the jackass to tell the truth so we know what we are working with |
| 05:24.19 | atula | true. I agree... we must be nice.... perhaps hold hand a little bit... but we shouldn't go as far as giving people blowjobs... it's not good. |
| 05:24.29 | wols | http://paste.debian.net/30640 |
| 05:24.59 | karsten | nvz: Point. Keep your logs, point out his prior comments, but keep it civil. |
| 05:25.08 | karsten | nvz: ... and note what the upgrade path is (basically: install debian, port packagelist, copy over /home). |
| 05:25.38 | karsten | wols: What's date on that? |
| 05:25.44 | wols | today |
| 05:25.54 | wols | las 10 hours |
| 05:25.57 | wols | *last |
| 05:25.59 | karsten | wols: OK. |
| 05:26.04 | karsten | wols: I stand corrected. |
| 05:26.21 | nvz | you handing out Debian vendor support certifications now or what? |
| 05:26.24 | wols | I only saw it when he changed dsl to cchance myself |
| 05:26.35 | karsten | nvz: ?? |
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| 05:26.57 | wols | nvz: I hand out any certification you want. really cheap too |
| 05:27.28 | karsten | atula: I prefer a "firm but fair" policy myself. /ignore or !ops if necessary. |
| 05:27.36 | rabidweezle_ | anyone know anything about hard drives that are bigger than their old bios can handle? |
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| 05:27.58 | wols | rabidweezle_: how big? |
| 05:28.02 | rabidweezle_ | 160 gig |
| 05:28.03 | karsten | rabidweezle_: Google for linux large disk howto. |
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| 05:28.06 | wols | and: do you need to boot fromt hat disk? |
| 05:28.15 | karsten | rabidweezle_: There's a bunch of limits starting at about 720 MB and up. |
| 05:28.24 | atula | karsten, I understand people who are completely new but shy to learn... I've been there... but I am a bit more honest and patient that the dsl fellow |
| 05:28.28 | wols | the limits start at 512MB |
| 05:28.28 | rabidweezle_ | ooh, the limit is like 30 gigs |
| 05:28.31 | nvz | I don't want any certification, I never directly addressed this person ever. they mentioned linux 2.5 I said its not in debian and the moron kept lying about using debian impeading their own acquisition of support |
| 05:28.39 | karsten | brufar: http://www.linux.com/howtos/Large-Disk-HOWTO-4.shtml |
| 05:29.18 | wols | rabidweezle_: what chipset? what you can do is putting /boot (or /) totally below the 30GB limit |
| 05:29.24 | karsten | atula: There are people who absolutely won't learn or read manuals. I have no problem explaining that they can read TFM, or I can read it to them, and I know which option I prefer. |
| 05:29.47 | karsten | atula: ... at the point that *they* become abusive, the path is clear. Let them take the first step that way though. |
| 05:29.48 | rabidweezle_ | well I did that wols |
| 05:29.49 | wols | linux itself can then access 128GB most probably. Unless you have a 48bit capable IDE controller, then it can access all |
| 05:29.56 | rabidweezle_ | I did the /boot thing and I am on it now |
| 05:30.07 | rabidweezle_ | problem is... I can't access the rest of the drive |
| 05:30.13 | atula | atula, yeah... I don't read manual either... but when epolpe scream at me: read this passage... or pages.. I do that. Also... I usually ask for guides not answers myself |
| 05:30.14 | karsten | rabidweezle_: Most BIOS limits these days apply only to boot sector. |
| 05:30.22 | karsten | rabidweezle_: Once the kernel's up you can see the whole damned thing. |
| 05:30.38 | karsten | atula: It's more than fair to as _which_ FM to R, or for long ones, where to go / what to look for. |
| 05:30.44 | wols | karsten: unless the controller doesn't use 48bit LBA |
| 05:30.47 | atula | rabidweezle_, did you format it? |
| 05:30.52 | rabidweezle_ | hrm, that's what everyone says karsten how can I test to see if it sees my whole hard drive? |
| 05:30.59 | karsten | atula: I've been doing this shit for over 20 years, and I still ask n00b questions on stuff. |
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| 05:31.04 | karsten | wols: Hrm. |
| 05:31.29 | rabidweezle_ | atula, I formatted the part I could see at install |
| 05:31.34 | rabidweezle_ | the 33 gig or so |
| 05:31.42 | karsten | atula: The other problem here is language barriers. dsl/cchance bitched about me /whoising him, but I do that frequently to find out what country someone's coming from. |
| 05:31.45 | rabidweezle_ | but I need the rest... |
| 05:31.58 | rabidweezle_ | the other 130 gigs |
| 05:32.00 | atula | rabidweezle_, try fdisk and stuff,... poke at it,.. it'll show up |
| 05:32.03 | wols | rabidweezle_: fdisk it |
| 05:32.07 | rabidweezle_ | kk |
| 05:32.14 | rabidweezle_ | what should I mount the rest as? |
| 05:32.23 | atula | well... it's up to you |
| 05:32.29 | atula | we don't know where you want to mount it |
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| 05:32.29 | wols | whatever you want as long as it's not /boot |
| 05:32.36 | atula | rabidweezle_, maybe /home? |
| 05:32.44 | rabidweezle_ | is there a way I can send it to be "/" even though I have a "/" |
| 05:32.47 | atula | rabidweezle_, you got the / one yet? |
| 05:32.52 | rabidweezle_ | yeah |
| 05:33.07 | atula | oh... it's a different partition... |
| 05:33.08 | wols | while there is, a 33GB /boot is useless. reinstall. this time do it right tho |
| 05:33.19 | rabidweezle_ | nooo |
| 05:33.24 | rabidweezle_ | I got a 100 meg /boot |
| 05:33.33 | atula | 100MB boot... 3 Gig for / and the rest in /home ? |
| 05:33.33 | rabidweezle_ | and a 30ish gig / |
| 05:33.44 | wols | if you have then the linux kernel on install could have used the rest |
| 05:33.49 | rabidweezle_ | and a 1 gb swap |
| 05:33.59 | atula | ooo yeah... teh swap... that's important |
| 05:34.01 | atula | :D |
| 05:34.16 | rabidweezle_ | BUT when I installed, it didn't see the rest of the drive when I was formatting |
| 05:34.17 | rabidweezle_ | :( |
| 05:34.27 | rabidweezle_ | I formatted all I could on the install |
| 05:34.31 | karsten | HTF do you navigate in elinks? |
| 05:34.43 | atula | elinks? |
| 05:34.46 | rabidweezle_ | :/ |
| 05:34.48 | wols | how did you partition it? guided or manual? |
| 05:34.53 | rabidweezle_ | manual |
| 05:35.03 | atula | it should see it... hmmm |
| 05:35.03 | karsten | I'd use w3m but it's not on this system. |
| 05:35.17 | atula | I use iceweasel now a day |
| 05:35.38 | karsten | atula: ssh, console only, inside firewall, from outside. |
| 05:35.49 | rabidweezle_ | I would think it would see it, I mean dang |
| 05:35.52 | atula | karsten, hehe... I am on FC6 myself... I am installing deb on my laptop at the moment htough |
| 05:36.11 | karsten | atula: The *laptop* runs Debian, of course. |
| 05:36.12 | rabidweezle_ | I am asking in here just because #ubuntu guys have no clue.... |
| 05:36.23 | karsten | atula: !@#$%^&*() standard work image is RHEL3 though. |
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| 05:36.36 | karsten | atula: ... RHEL4 is still an experimental/upgrade target. |
| 05:36.37 | rabidweezle_ | but since the distros are soo alike, I would figure it's ok to ask here |
| 05:36.39 | atula | karsten, we got 4 |
| 05:36.48 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 05:36.48 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 05:36.55 | wols | rabidweezle_: go away please. and no it's NOT ok |
| 05:36.56 | tricaric | \join #gcc |
| 05:36.58 | karsten | rabidweezle_: Doesn't make it our problem. |
| 05:37.00 | rabidweezle_ | :( |
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| 05:37.26 | rabidweezle_ | I didn't mean to disrespect someone |
| 05:37.29 | rogue- | hello |
| 05:37.31 | vladuz976 | so unstable receives security patches, too? |
| 05:37.42 | wols | vladuz976: no |
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| 05:37.44 | karsten | rabidweezle_: No offense taken, just tellin' it. |
| 05:37.49 | karsten | vladuz976: No |
| 05:38.05 | wols | rogue-: you're just not the first who thinks like that. it gets tiring after some time |
| 05:38.18 | vladuz976 | karsten: wols so i don't need deb http://security.debian.org in my sources.list if i want sid |
| 05:38.27 | karsten | vladuz976: Right. |
| 05:38.30 | wols | vladuz976: only stable and oldstable for the first year get security patches |
| 05:39.01 | karsten | vladuz976: Shouldn't hurt, since sid will generally have newer packages. I run testing/unstable, pinned to testing, so I've got security included in my sources. |
| 05:39.05 | karsten | !tell vladuz976 about pinning |
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| 05:39.26 | vladuz976 | karsten: wols: so deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free should be enough? |
| 05:39.30 | karsten | vladuz976: ... gives me a mostly workable system, with security updates, and the option to install from unstable if I really want to. |
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| 05:39.49 | karsten | vladuz976: I think so. |
| 05:40.10 | vladuz976 | karsten: would you mind sharing your sources.list file? |
| 05:40.38 | karsten | vladuz976: yeah. |
| 05:40.45 | rogue- | vladuz976: what exactly do you need? |
| 05:40.57 | karsten | vladuz976: Pain to post ATM, doing work. |
| 05:41.23 | rogue- | or rather, what are you trying to do, and how do you know karsten's sources.list would help |
| 05:41.26 | vladuz976 | rogue-: i think i am ok with most packages in testing, just a few that I want from unstable. |
| 05:42.36 | vladuz976 | karsten what happens when testing freezes with your setup? |
| 05:42.56 | rogue- | are you saying you'd like to mix branches? |
| 05:43.13 | karsten | vladuz976: I freeze |
| 05:43.25 | karsten | Feh. elinks *sucks* |
| 05:43.36 | vladuz976 | rogue-: no, i am thinking of going either testing or unstable, or testing and compile those few packages I want manually |
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| 05:44.48 | karsten | amphi: If !@#$%^&*() RHEL had !@#$%^&*() w3m I'd !@#$%^&*() be !@#$%^&*() using !@#$%^&*() w3m. |
| 05:44.50 | rogue- | karsten: not to me it doesn't |
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| 05:45.04 | Deepa | bleh |
| 05:45.12 | karsten | rogue-: w3m's key nav is way more intuitive to me. vim + mutt. |
| 05:45.14 | Deepa | I keep on scanning my computer and I can't find anything malicious |
| 05:45.18 | amphi | karsten: heh - you can't build it for some reason? |
| 05:45.22 | karsten | Deepa: We can fix that. |
| 05:45.24 | Deepa | Yet I keep on getting blacklisted |
| 05:45.31 | karsten | Deepa: Where? |
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| 05:45.34 | Deepa | Any suggestions on what I should do more then run nessus everyday? |
| 05:45.36 | Deepa | cbl |
| 05:45.37 | karsten | amphi: Hrm. |
| 05:45.39 | wols | blacklisted how? where? |
| 05:45.46 | karsten | Deepa: On what evidence? |
| 05:45.47 | rogue- | karsten: I use vim + mutt + elinks (my only current text editor, email client and browser) |
| 05:45.54 | Deepa | karsten: I have honestly no idea :) |
| 05:46.03 | Deepa | That is why I am so annoyed |
| 05:46.07 | rogue- | haven't really tried w3m but .. I remember some bad experiences (i.e. coredumps) some time ago |
| 05:46.12 | Deepa | My computer has been marked as a Zombie machine too |
| 05:46.13 | Supaplex | does synergy use the windows key and mac command key as the same? Linux is the synergy server, but when I move to the mac, there's no way to command+n, windows+n here is simply "n". |
| 05:46.41 | wols | Deepa: you have misconfigured your system most likely |
| 05:46.41 | karsten | Deepa: Go to one of the multirbl lookup services. Check news://nes.admin.net-abuse.sightings |
| 05:46.47 | karsten | s/nes/news/ |
| 05:47.03 | Deepa | There's a case of wrong computer here tho |
| 05:47.11 | Deepa | My normal computer had a power failure just yesterday :P |
| 05:47.15 | wols | e.g. a open proxy running, or your mailserver is wrongly configured |
| 05:47.17 | Deepa | oh wait, google gropus I forgot |
| 05:47.21 | wols | Deepa: netstat -anp |grep LIST |
| 05:47.26 | karsten | Deepa: .. for your IP address. Should show up if folks are reporting spam. If you're running any PHP-based browser services you may be hosed. |
| 05:47.53 | Deepa | hosed? |
| 05:48.01 | Deepa | I've run too much php stuff :/ |
| 05:48.02 | karsten | !hosed |
| 05:48.02 | dpkg | broken, busted, kaput |
| 05:48.05 | wols | Deepa: rooted |
| 05:48.26 | karsten | Deepa: PHP has a long history of poor security and worse programming practices. |
| 05:48.39 | Deepa | :) |
| 05:48.46 | karsten | Deepa: Most Linux-originated spam I've seen traces to PHP or other CGI b0rkenness. |
| 05:48.52 | Supaplex | and clueless programmers |
| 05:49.00 | Deepa | But there is nothing suspicious listening on my system |
| 05:49.03 | karsten | Supaplex: I covered that, but thanks. |
| 05:49.11 | karsten | Deepa: Doesn't need to be listening. |
| 05:49.18 | karsten | Deepa: They'd go through your webserver directly. |
| 05:49.25 | Deepa | I know, But it certainly narrows it down alot |
| 05:49.36 | valdyn | Deepa: these spams could even be in your mailservers log.. |
| 05:49.43 | valdyn | Deepa: the ones you sent |
| 05:49.43 | karsten | Feck. I think I just nuked about a month's worth of blog entries. |
| 05:49.44 | wols | Deepa: they could either use your webserver directly or have a rootkit |
| 05:50.04 | wols | karsten: thank you for making the internet a cleaner place. no nuke the rest too |
| 05:50.12 | wols | *now |
| 05:50.21 | karsten | Deepa: tcpdump / wireshark on a known trusted host which can see your box's traffic is your best bet. |
| 05:50.31 | karsten | wols: Intranet blog. |
| 05:50.35 | Deepa | :D |
| 05:50.37 | karsten | muthuh. |
| 05:50.38 | Deepa | I hate my computer :D |
| 05:50.39 | wols | karsten: a blog s a blog |
| 05:50.53 | wols | no matter for what it is or where |
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| 05:51.17 | karsten | wols: Deep technical shit. Excellent material, if I may say so myself. |
| 05:51.18 | Deepa | Now if my mailserver is being abused to the limit |
| 05:51.26 | Supaplex | karsten: my bad. (php) |
| 05:51.36 | Kemical | user can mount a file system but cannot unmount it, what option in fstab allows this?? |
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| 05:51.49 | Deepa | By kubes sunukuar ti tgus |
| 05:51.52 | Deepa | Jun 14 03:20:34 toaster sm-mta[19364]: l5E0lBoJ018801: to=<idodrori@sdot-yam.org.il>, ctladdr=<www-data@toaster.armchairs.be> (33/33), delay=00:33:23,xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=481202, relay=mail.sdot-yam.org.il. [212.143.65.227], dsn=4.4.2, stat=Deferred |
| 05:51.52 | valdyn | Kemical: none? |
| 05:51.54 | karsten | Kemical: fuser -vm <mountpoint> |
| 05:51.58 | Deepa | By liness similiar to this* |
| 05:52.02 | karsten | Kemical: if it's in use you can't umount it. |
| 05:52.24 | karsten | Kemical: Mounts within the filesystem count as use. As do chroots, which may confuzz the issue. |
| 05:52.49 | valdyn | Deepa: that doesn't look like your regular mail, does it? |
| 05:52.51 | wols | Deepa: toaster.armchairs.be is your host? |
| 05:52.55 | Deepa | yes |
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| 05:53.02 | Deepa | valdyn: It certainly isn't |
| 05:53.07 | wols | Deepa: www-data is a clue that your webserver is compromised. |
| 05:53.10 | wols | reinstall |
| 05:53.10 | Deepa | I usually do not send one email more then 20 times |
| 05:53.16 | cafuego | Deepa: that's ppl abusing a web form (www-data user) |
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| 05:53.20 | Kemical | karsten:hmm explain more please, how do i unmount a file system or can root only do that? |
| 05:53.21 | Deepa | reinstall apache? |
| 05:53.25 | Deepa | I can't backtrace it somehow? |
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| 05:53.32 | valdyn | Deepa: either you have a mail server that is just OPEN, that would be ideal. Or you are rooted, that would require a reinstall |
| 05:53.35 | wols | cafuego: no. it's poeple compromising a host that runs shitty php software |
| 05:53.57 | valdyn | Deepa: in the first case, just lock it down.. |
| 05:53.59 | wols | valdyn: if the mailserver is a open relay, there is no www-data in the logs |
| 05:54.07 | Deepa | define lock it down |
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| 05:54.12 | Deepa | It's probaly a open relay too |
| 05:54.22 | cafuego | Deepa: You can tighten ups ecurity via apache mod_security and scanning for POST payload. |
| 05:54.26 | wols | Kemical: did you do what karsten told you to do? |
| 05:55.08 | Deepa | I could just kill my SMTP server |
| 05:55.09 | cafuego | wols: The host isn't compromised, most likely thy're adding Bcc: stuff in a php mail() call, which is easily fixed. |
| 05:55.33 | wols | cafuego: how do you know? |
| 05:55.46 | Kemical | wols:i did what am i looking for? |
| 05:55.48 | cafuego | wols: I easily fixed quite a few in my time. |
| 05:55.52 | wols | Deepa: it's not your smtp server that is compromised |
| 05:56.01 | atula | okay. first time moving to unstable... a few questions: 1. just replace etch with sid in source.list, correct. 2. including the security one--I thought unstable doesn't have security update.. so should I leave it as etch there? |
| 05:56.09 | wols | Kemical: if any file is open on the partition you want to unmount |
| 05:56.27 | Deepa | wols: But it would shut down the abuse until I got enough time to handle the rest |
| 05:56.37 | cafuego | Deepa: http://swampthing.dk/attack1/indexmod.php |
| 05:56.43 | cafuego | Deepa: Do that. |
| 05:56.51 | wols | Deepa: you still have a compromised webserver. you are not fixing the problem |
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| 05:57.00 | Deepa | I am DELAYING IT |
| 05:57.15 | cafuego | Spcifically the SecFilter "bcc:|Bcc:|BCC:" chain |
| 05:57.46 | wols | Deepa: and that is a shitty response. now that you know of the problem but ignoring it, you are culpable too. up to now you were a victim. from now on you are a co perpetrator |
| 05:57.48 | krazykit | atula, 1:yes, 2:no, security stuff is from upstream, as they fix it. it's just part of running sid |
| 05:58.00 | cafuego | wols: you're not being helpful |
| 05:58.03 | Deepa | wols: No I'm not |
| 05:58.08 | Deepa | I'm about to fall asleep on my keyboard |
| 05:58.21 | wols | cafuego: people who knowingly spam are spammers. even if it's not their own spam |
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| 05:58.26 | Deepa | And that means I'll sleep for atleast 16h's |
| 05:58.43 | cafuego | Deepa: Yes, you can disable the smtp server and fix up apache in the morning. Just check the mail queue before turning smtp back on. |
| 05:58.51 | atula | krazykit, so do I need that line in there? security.debian.org? |
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| 05:59.13 | cafuego | wols: yes, we know that's your opinion, but it does NOT help Deepa |
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| 05:59.26 | Kemical | wols:definitely no file open I simply mount a smb file system it mounts great i can use it, than i canonly unmount it as root |
| 05:59.28 | krazykit | atula, no, not really. |
| 06:00.02 | atula | I see... so I'll take it out just to be clean |
| 06:01.09 | krazykit | atula, and for now, send your questions to the chan, i'm off to bed |
| 06:01.44 | atula | krazykit, heh. thanks for the help all night |
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| 06:03.48 | Deepa | Is just putting it at /etc/apache2/conf.d/mod-security enough or do I need to do anything else? |
| 06:04.01 | atula | hi chan, so is it okay for me to take away the security.debian.org line in source.list? I am going to move to sid |
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| 06:04.13 | cartesian1984 | Salutations. When I start Parallels, I get a funny error saying that /dev/rtc is inaccessible. Can somebody help me? I tried mknodding it, but it still throws the error. |
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| 06:04.56 | wols | !vmware |
| 06:04.56 | dpkg | well, vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 06:05.06 | wols | that goes for parellels too since it's the same kind of software |
| 06:05.55 | cartesian1984 | Because it's proprietary? I wouldn't be using proprietary software if there was an OSS solution that did 3D acceleration. |
| 06:06.11 | Supaplex | !sucks |
| 06:06.11 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
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| 06:07.05 | wols | cartesian1984: we cannot support proprietary software: there is no way for us to fix it. either the proprietary crap supports what you want to do or it doesn't. either way it's up to the vendor to support it, not us |
| 06:07.11 | Deepa | Is there no application that could scan for fishy business? |
| 06:07.47 | wols | Deepa: toaster.armchairs.be is only a subdomain, right? just stop that subdomain |
| 06:08.02 | wols | also check for any processes under the UID www-data except apache itself |
| 06:08.19 | wols | there ar things like chkrootkit but they cannot find everything |
| 06:08.25 | Deepa | It's a subdomain, but abused.armchairs.be resolves to 80.244.90.117, and I accidently setup teh computer as toaster.armchairs.be during install :P |
| 06:08.26 | cartesian1984 | wols: okay, if I came in here asking a question about qemu not being able to access /dev/rtc, would you help? Does it really make a difference? |
| 06:08.44 | Supaplex | cartesian1984: what's the host platform? |
| 06:08.53 | cartesian1984 | Supaplex: Debian. |
| 06:09.05 | cartesian1984 | Lenny. |
| 06:09.06 | Supaplex | cartesian1984: $ARCH, as in cpu. |
| 06:09.08 | wols | cartesian1984: considering qeme is in debian, your chances are a lot higher. we cannot guarantee help either way. we're volunteers |
| 06:09.22 | cartesian1984 | Supaplex: oh, sorry. 686. |
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| 06:09.34 | Supaplex | cartesian1984: are you using a stock debian kernel? |
| 06:09.42 | cartesian1984 | Supaplex: yeah. |
| 06:10.11 | Supaplex | cartesian1984: can I see the error message word for word? or submit it here: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 06:10.21 | Supaplex | eg, one line here is ok. |
| 06:10.29 | cartesian1984 | Supaplex: just a second. Thanks. |
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| 06:12.11 | cartesian1984 | Supaplex: http://rafb.net/p/me0D6I58.html |
| 06:12.27 | atula | hi chan, so is it okay for me to take away the security.debian.org line in source.list? I am going to move to sid |
| 06:12.57 | Supaplex | cartesian1984: what's parallels based on? and what user is running it when that message appears? |
| 06:13.04 | wols | why are you asking the same over and over again? |
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| 06:13.17 | atula | wols, oh.. I had to walk away for a sec |
| 06:13.21 | atula | at work and all |
| 06:13.22 | Supaplex | atula: people prepared for sid know the answer to that. |
| 06:13.27 | Deepa | wiee, www-data is only running apache |
| 06:13.40 | Supaplex | Deepa: do you have suexec enabled? |
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| 06:13.46 | atula | Supaplex, I sort of know... just not 100% sure |
| 06:13.46 | wols | atula: then there are logs |
| 06:13.57 | wols | atula: then you not read to run sid |
| 06:14.15 | wols | especially since you can't read apparently sinec you've been already answered |
| 06:14.30 | Supaplex | heh |
| 06:15.02 | Deepa | Supaplex: Yes, Is it bad? |
| 06:15.23 | atula | heh. well... |
| 06:15.29 | Deepa | Sun Jun 10 07:25:28 2007] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/lib/apache2/suexec) |
| 06:15.39 | cartesian1984 | Supaplex: I'm running it as my normal user. /dev/rtc wasn't there, so it had to be created with 'mknod /dev/rtc c 10 135'. /dev/rtc is root:audio and user is in the audio group. Permissions are rw-r--r-- |
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| 06:15.53 | cartesian1984 | Supaplex: oh, my bad, it's root:root |
| 06:15.56 | Supaplex | Deepa: not bad. it means what ever user/group the vhost runs under, is what all cgi/ssi executes as. |
| 06:16.13 | roxy_ | wols: when do you sleep ? (if ever) |
| 06:16.22 | Deepa | :) |
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| 06:18.13 | sparr | can anyone recommend a single-threaded gui ftp client that wont freak out when i get disconnected? when i click upload and find out i got disconnected, i want the client to reconnect to wherever i was before |
| 06:18.33 | wols | I slept 6h not long ago |
| 06:18.43 | cartesian1984 | sparr: not sure if it's single threated, but have you tried gftp? |
| 06:18.50 | Supaplex | sparr: well, rsync isn't ftp, but it might works the way you want. |
| 06:19.01 | Supaplex | s/works/work/ |
| 06:19.01 | troy- | anyone know why pam_mount fails to unmount an fs when logged in via SSH? |
| 06:19.59 | sparr | cartesian1984: it is, but it doesnt do the reconnect thing |
| 06:20.06 | sparr | Supaplex: no rsync on the server :( |
| 06:20.52 | Gigantic | http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 06:21.27 | sparr | i much prefer sftp |
| 06:21.28 | Gigantic | let's make it http then |
| 06:21.33 | sparr | which isnt really ftp at all |
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| 06:22.05 | Gigantic | but doesn't that put in a major risk your ssh accounts? |
| 06:22.35 | Gigantic | m... maybe I am just too much paranoid, forget it |
| 06:23.00 | Deepa | Isn't there FTPS even? |
| 06:23.24 | cartesian1984 | Supaplex: any idea? Do you know how I might make it so that /dev/rtc is created in such a way that it's accessible by my user? (btw, the files in /proc that are supposed to be there to tune the max hz aren't) |
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| 06:25.45 | Gigantic | Deepa: not good yet |
| 06:28.10 | cartesian1984 | Supaplex: nevermind, I got it. I just had to rmmod genrtc and modprobe rtc. |
| 06:28.17 | \amethyst | Deepa: ftp+tls (I guess that's what you mean by FTPS) has problems with firewalls, because they can't read the control channel to open the ports for the data connection |
| 06:28.23 | cartesian1984 | Supaplex: thanks for offering to help anyways though :) |
| 06:29.01 | \amethyst | Deepa: you can get around that on the client end with passive mode, but if both sides of the connection are firewalled, you're often screwed, unless you drop back to plaintext right after authenticating |
| 06:29.47 | Gigantic | yah, let's use http then |
| 06:30.57 | Deepa | No |
| 06:31.01 | Deepa | The only right thing to do |
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| 06:31.16 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.21 | Deepa | Is to re-invent people running between two points carrying the message :) |
| 06:31.43 | \amethyst | Deepa: it's been done with pigeons |
| 06:31.54 | \amethyst | Deepa: which are maybe cheaper than people |
| 06:32.02 | mmnicolas | haha |
| 06:32.04 | Deepa | \amethyst: But pigeons are easily shot, no? |
| 06:32.10 | Gigantic | file:///amethyst and faster |
| 06:32.11 | \amethyst | Deepa: so are people |
| 06:32.28 | Deepa | Right, But shooting a pigeon gives you less time in jail then a person |
| 06:32.29 | Gigantic | crap, \amethyst I hate your \ |
| 06:32.47 | \amethyst | Gigantic: irssi having problems completing it? |
| 06:32.58 | mmnicolas | yea, pigeons are more commonly shot :P |
| 06:33.24 | Gigantic | \amethyst: konverstation either if you use TAB but I am used to drag tthe name to the box |
| 06:33.42 | mmnicolas | hrm here is completing ok |
| 06:33.44 | Gigantic | \amethyst: and it is interpreted as file:// |
| 06:33.48 | mmnicolas | with irssi |
| 06:33.51 | \amethyst | Gigantic: heh |
| 06:34.15 | \amethyst | mmnicolas: do you type ame<tab> or \a<tab> ? |
| 06:34.25 | mmnicolas | i type \[TAB] |
| 06:34.36 | mmnicolas | of course |
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| 06:35.00 | \amethyst | mmnicolas: hm, wonder what's funny about my config (\ inhibits tab-completion here) |
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| 06:35.22 | mmnicolas | im still using sarge btw |
| 06:36.15 | mmnicolas | \amethyst: you're using irssi also & |
| 06:36.17 | mmnicolas | ? |
| 06:36.48 | \amethyst | mmnicolas: yes |
| 06:37.27 | Gigantic | *** \amethyst is now known as amethyst |
| 06:38.05 | mmnicolas | you can do that % |
| 06:38.06 | mmnicolas | ? |
| 06:38.11 | mmnicolas | with irssi ? |
| 06:38.33 | \amethyst | mmnicolas: do what? |
| 06:38.51 | mmnicolas | rename someone |
| 06:38.56 | mmnicolas | i was asking Gigantic |
| 06:39.21 | Gigantic | mmnicolas: :P |
| 06:39.41 | mmnicolas | Gigantic: or this was a sort of suggestion ? |
| 06:39.44 | Gigantic | that's why having colors help |
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| 06:41.00 | mmnicolas | its about character ablation not colors isnt it ? |
| 06:41.16 | fietronic | Gigantic, What about people who are colour blind? |
| 06:41.22 | mmnicolas | or maybe i just need to sleep |
| 06:41.23 | Gigantic | !tell me about clueless |
| 06:42.20 | mmnicolas | fietronic: usually i guesse colorblind people still can see a few colors arent they ? |
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| 06:42.49 | fietronic | mmnicolas, Yeah, I have no idea what you guys were talking about using colour for. |
| 06:43.02 | mmnicolas | i don't know either |
| 06:43.15 | fietronic | There are several types of colour blind |
| 06:43.21 | mmnicolas | that's what i was asking Gigantic |
| 06:43.27 | fietronic | Full colour blindness is very very rare |
| 06:43.31 | mmnicolas | fietronic: oh really ? |
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| 06:43.35 | Gigantic | colourblind can see diferent tones at least |
| 06:43.45 | fietronic | about 1 in 12 people have a type of colour blindness though |
| 06:43.50 | mmnicolas | fietronic: so full colorblind people only see in black&white ? |
| 06:43.51 | shirish | hi guys, I have been trying to submit an upstream bug & I keep getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25809/ |
| 06:44.04 | shirish | can somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong & howto set it right |
| 06:44.05 | fietronic | mmnicolas, grayscale |
| 06:44.10 | mmnicolas | haha |
| 06:44.14 | Gigantic | mmnicolas: no, graytones |
| 06:44.21 | Gigantic | mmnicolas: like a bw movie |
| 06:44.22 | shirish | please don't fix it, tell me how to fix it so I remember |
| 06:45.27 | mmnicolas | shirish: seems your bugreport does not refer to a package |
| 06:45.40 | mmnicolas | as the first line said |
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| 06:45.48 | shirish | mmnicolas: thanx for responding |
| 06:45.49 | Gigantic | paste.ubuntu... |
| 06:45.57 | fietronic | Gigantic, I noticed that |
| 06:46.16 | shirish | Gigantic: the ubuntu guys take the package from debian |
| 06:46.18 | fietronic | But I'm using Windows right now... so I don't know what I'm doing here either. |
| 06:46.32 | Gigantic | !ubuntu |
| 06:46.32 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 06:46.34 | mmnicolas | shirish: they may modify it as they wish also |
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| 06:47.06 | shirish | mmnicolas: true, but having an updated pidgin 2.0.2 is also useful for you guys |
| 06:47.14 | wols | shirish: pidgin is already in debian |
| 06:47.17 | atula | !upstream |
| 06:47.17 | dpkg | i heard upstream is where Debian developers download software from, or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-developer-duties.en.html#s-upstream-coordination |
| 06:47.17 | Gigantic | SUSE is not RedHat just 'cause it has rpms |
| 06:47.38 | valdyn | mmnicolas: commonly color blindness means that red=green for those people. blue is fine. |
| 06:47.45 | shirish | wols: http://www.techenclave.com/forums/finding-help-in-ubuntu-92646-con4.html |
| 06:47.54 | \amethyst | valdyn: not red=green, but reds and greens get confused |
| 06:47.55 | shirish | see the diagram, it was done by some debian developer |
| 06:48.09 | valdyn | \amethyst: uh? hows that different? |
| 06:48.21 | shirish | wols: true the package pidgin is already in debian, its 2.0.1 in unstable, I researched it |
| 06:48.35 | mmnicolas | valdyn: i guess it's hard to tell |
| 06:48.40 | \amethyst | valdyn: in the most common kind of colorblindness, you still have three different pigments. They're just not in the normal place |
| 06:48.46 | shirish | my issue is I dunno where this psuedo header is & where I failed to write the package name |
| 06:49.01 | \amethyst | valdyn: "place" in the frequency spectrum, that is |
| 06:49.04 | mmnicolas | unless you knew what was red and green and saw through the eyes of a colorblind person |
| 06:49.05 | valdyn | \amethyst: im talking about their vision: red=green -> they cant tell green and red apart |
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| 06:49.27 | shirish | mmnicolas: wols: atula: either of you guys can please help me know what I did wrong so I'll fix it & won't bother you guys again, promise |
| 06:49.33 | fietronic | ....... |
| 06:49.36 | wols | shirish: why did you file a wishlist for something that already is in debian? |
| 06:49.39 | mmnicolas | shirish: specify a package |
| 06:49.55 | wols | shirish: we don't give a damn since you're an ubuntu user tbh |
| 06:49.58 | shirish | mmnicolas: didn't I specify package name: pidgin |
| 06:50.08 | \amethyst | valdyn: It's not quite not being able to tell them apart. It's more that mixed frequencies have different spectral equivalents than they do for non-anomalous people |
| 06:50.23 | shirish | wols: there are many debian & ubuntu developers too so it works both way m8 |
| 06:50.41 | wols | shirish: it does not work both ways. it's 2 different distros |
| 06:50.50 | mmnicolas | shirish: yea here is the point, you should report your bug through the ubuntu launchpa |
| 06:50.51 | valdyn | \amethyst: you're not contradicting me, only taking a different ( technical ) perspective |
| 06:50.51 | shirish | mmnicolas: should I have specificed pidgin in the subject matter also |
| 06:50.52 | wols | and again: why wish for something that is already available |
| 06:50.53 | \amethyst | valdyn: e.g. two things which look the same color to you or I might appear as different colors to someone with deuteranomaly |
| 06:50.59 | shirish | mmnicolas: I have already done that |
| 06:51.08 | mmnicolas | shirish: then there is nothing else to do |
| 06:51.25 | mmnicolas | shirish: nobody seemed to have this bug with debian |
| 06:51.26 | valdyn | \amethyst: that's not red-green blind |
| 06:51.29 | shirish | mmnicolas: come on give me a break, so I can report it upstream & link it |
| 06:51.44 | shirish | mmnicolas: it was released last night, pidgin 2.0.2 |
| 06:51.45 | valdyn | \amethyst: aka 'most common kind of color blindness' |
| 06:51.53 | wols | shirish: no we don't since your wish is simply spam |
| 06:52.07 | mmnicolas | shirish: sorry, i don't know anything more |
| 06:52.26 | shirish | crazy, ok I'll find out |
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| 06:53.03 | \amethyst | valdyn: deuteranomaly is the most common kind... the kind where red and green look the same is deuteranopia, which is less common |
| 06:53.21 | mmnicolas | wow |
| 06:53.26 | valdyn | \amethyst: oh, i see, learned something |
| 06:53.31 | mmnicolas | these are real doctors |
| 06:53.36 | mmnicolas | ;P |
| 06:53.39 | valdyn | \amethyst: so different shades of red will appear sometimes red, sometimes green to thsoe people? |
| 06:53.56 | mmnicolas | maybe they just seem different |
| 06:54.00 | \amethyst | valdyn: which people? |
| 06:54.09 | valdyn | deuteranomaly |
| 06:54.48 | Gigantic | \amethyst: How do I know that what I see as green is not what you perceive as red and I dunno |
| 06:55.11 | Gigantic | Maybe that's the reason for bad taste :P |
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| 06:55.35 | mmnicolas | Gigantic: yea, that is a great point, so how do we know cows sees everything in graytones |
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| 06:55.42 | valdyn | Deuteranomaly: Colorblindness of the red-green type, also known as |
| 06:55.42 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 06:55.42 | \amethyst | Gigantic: I'm talking purely about the retina, not the brain proper :) |
| 06:55.46 | valdyn | one of us is wrong |
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| 06:55.52 | mmnicolas | have we ever saw through the eyes of a cow |
| 06:56.07 | Gigantic | mmnicolas: ah, that's because of the eye cells cows don't have |
| 06:56.11 | valdyn | but this is OT, so uh.. |
| 06:56.27 | mmnicolas | Gigantic: really ? that is scientifically proven ? |
| 06:56.53 | valdyn | mmnicolas: actually, thats not so hard to prove.. |
| 06:56.58 | Azar | it looks like Mark is trying to play dirty accusing Debian of non-collaboration only to have the excuse to move in a deal with MS... |
| 06:57.02 | mmnicolas | we see they miss some cells and we conclude they see in graytones |
| 06:57.02 | Gigantic | \amethyst: What is the color bars? I dunno in English |
| 06:57.26 | valdyn | mmnicolas: and most animals dont have full color vision as we do, some specrtums of light we cant see |
| 06:57.40 | valdyn | some see specrtums of light we cant see |
| 06:57.45 | Gigantic | mmnicolas: There are two groups of cells, some perceive b&w and the others the colours, cow do not have the last ones |
| 06:58.04 | mmnicolas | hrm interesting |
| 06:58.17 | mmnicolas | Azar: this is the latest news ? |
| 06:58.24 | mmnicolas | have a link ? |
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| 06:58.46 | \amethyst | Gigantic: I was under the impression that most land mammals have two types of cones |
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| 06:59.01 | valdyn | Azar: which roumor mill is that news from? |
| 06:59.06 | Gigantic | cones... |
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| 06:59.25 | Azar | well, there are several articles where I read about buntus complaining about Debian's non-collaboration.. as a general line |
| 06:59.34 | valdyn | Azar: uh, that's silly |
| 06:59.42 | Azar | that's one: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSN1446888520070614 |
| 06:59.44 | SteveC | Anyone know postfix well? I have a transport table, but anything that goes to it is rejected for not-allowed relaying. If I put something in the domain list for it, it tries to deliver it locally and fails.. any clue how to accept transports? |
| 06:59.44 | valdyn | Azar: and not Mark's own stance |
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| 06:59.59 | Gigantic | SteveC: #postfix |
| 07:00.14 | atula | I am just confused... after reading the articles about why we're calling firefox iceweasel now... *sigh |
| 07:00.18 | SteveC | Gigantic: asked there too :) I'm just being impatient :) |
| 07:00.23 | Azar | that's two: http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS5160975921.html << yea van nichols again.. |
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| 07:00.48 | netdaemon | what groups do i have to be part of in order to take advantage of hal? |
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| 07:01.04 | netdaemon | say i want to have plug in play on my thumbdrive.. |
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| 07:01.29 | Gigantic | e/in/& |
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| 07:01.58 | valdyn | Azar: where's anyone complaining about debian in that reuters article? |
| 07:01.59 | dfranke | what's a decent standalone tool for setting x background images that supports setting the background for individual screens in a xinerama setup? |
| 07:01.59 | Azar | valdyn: this is the most clear: http://lwn.net/Articles/238369/ |
| 07:02.12 | cahoot | netdaemon, plugdev? |
| 07:02.14 | Azar | valdyn: page three read what Mark said |
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| 07:02.37 | deadcat | anyone having keyboard module xorg problem in sid? |
| 07:02.39 | netdaemon | cahoot: thats it? |
| 07:02.46 | valdyn | Azar: i did |
| 07:02.49 | Azar | he did not name the names.... but is clear where is hinting |
| 07:03.00 | valdyn | Azar: he doesnt say anything meaningful |
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| 07:03.00 | valdyn | Azar: no it isnt |
| 07:03.11 | Azar | valdyn: read this then: http://lwn.net/Articles/238369/ |
| 07:03.18 | netdaemon | hrm...perhaps i need to check permisions on /dev/sdb1 also... |
| 07:03.25 | jjp78 | hi |
| 07:03.38 | valdyn | Instead he devoted his keynote speech to the importance of collaboration in fixing bugs and getting timely patches |
| 07:03.41 | valdyn | so? |
| 07:03.52 | Azar | first comment: " Good lord. How could an article about Shuttleworth and "collaboration" not even mention Debian?" |
| 07:04.07 | netdaemon | wtf? |
| 07:04.12 | valdyn | because its a 5 line article? |
| 07:04.15 | netdaemon | i have to be part of floppy to use my thumbdrive |
| 07:04.16 | valdyn | geez |
| 07:04.19 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 07:04.29 | Supaplex | sparr: sshfs? |
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| 07:04.48 | valdyn | oh and he didnt talk about ubuntu either |
| 07:04.48 | Azar | valdyn: the only thing I might think about Mark's comments.... that he claims collaboration with? ... with who? |
| 07:05.05 | valdyn | Azar: between free software projects |
| 07:05.08 | sparr | Supaplex: what about it? |
| 07:05.18 | netdaemon | do i have to have an fstab entry for said device? |
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| 07:05.34 | Supaplex | sparr: your ftp issue. mount the server via sftp/sshfs, and rsync it locally :) |
| 07:06.03 | Gigantic | crap there's HAL to manage my flash |
| 07:06.06 | sparr | great idea |
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| 07:06.11 | sparr | except it has nothing to do with ftp |
| 07:06.17 | valdyn | Azar: Mark needs the diff between debian and ubuntu as small as possible |
| 07:06.17 | atula | after moving to sid, aptitude upgrade, I got "The following packages have been kept back:" and a bunch of wghat I feel pretty important packages.. how should I approach to make it clean? |
| 07:06.32 | Azar | valdyn: ah ok like the last commenter put it on http://lwn.net/Articles/238369/ <<< |
| 07:06.39 | valdyn | Azar: which is why he sure wants debian to use ubuntu patches.. but that's totally unrelated to that article |
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| 07:07.44 | netdaemon | what article are you guys talking about? |
| 07:07.45 | troy- | can anyone tell me how i can patch ssh with a file i have? |
| 07:08.01 | Gigantic | man patch? |
| 07:08.20 | troy- | Gigantic, not sure about the process |
| 07:08.28 | Azar | maybe because their patches are chaotical? |
| 07:08.37 | troy- | i dont want to kill openssh since i wont be able to get back in :P |
| 07:08.43 | wols | troy-: by applying the patch file to your ssh sources |
| 07:08.56 | troy- | wols, okay thats the general direction |
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| 07:09.03 | troy- | so first download the sources for the package? |
| 07:09.11 | wols | you don't have to. first you have to compile your new ssh. have you done this? |
| 07:09.22 | troy- | openssh is currently running |
| 07:09.33 | troy- | i dont have the 'source' just the executable |
| 07:09.34 | wols | who cares what is running. I asked you a question |
| 07:09.38 | valdyn | Azar: ms (shuttleworth ) is talking and working alot on improving and automating communication betweem debian<->ubuntu and both distros<->upstream, in order to _minimize_ ubuntu's own work. That benefits both really. I dont see a complain there |
| 07:09.42 | roxy_ | can someone gives me a good tutorial on multi-head screen on debian ? (I want same output on my laptop's screen and attached screen) |
| 07:09.50 | troy- | wols, no i haven't |
| 07:10.01 | wols | troy-: then do that first |
| 07:10.11 | Azar | valdyn: there was a comment there: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/re:_debootstrap/ |
| 07:10.31 | troy- | wols, how can i tell apt-get to look at the internet instead of the cd drive? |
| 07:10.43 | wols | troy-: by fixing your sources.list |
| 07:10.57 | mmnicolas | troy-: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:11.07 | troy- | yup found it! |
| 07:11.11 | valdyn | Azar: so ubuntu changes 'breaking' debootstrap is their issue |
| 07:11.28 | valdyn | Azar: anything like that -> more work for ubuntu. They dont want that |
| 07:12.08 | Azar | valdyn: I guess so. Canonical would like some free of pay works done for them as well... |
| 07:12.20 | valdyn | Azar: no, not exactly. |
| 07:12.34 | wols | Azar: they already have. which is why they're based on debian instead of doing everything themselves |
| 07:12.40 | valdyn | Azar: in the common case. ubuntu will fix a bug in a debian package |
| 07:13.02 | valdyn | Azar: and debian will use that fix, and ubuntu will no longer have to carry a diff to debian. that benefits both |
| 07:13.05 | Azar | ... but by the time the fix is applied, the package is frozen? |
| 07:13.20 | Azar | ah |
| 07:13.23 | troy- | mmnicolas, i commented out the cdrom but its still looking there |
| 07:13.28 | valdyn | Azar: ideally the fix propagates to upstream and even debian will not worry about it |
| 07:13.29 | Azar | I see.. |
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| 07:13.32 | wols | troy-: you didn't update |
| 07:13.47 | mmnicolas | troy-: apt-get update as root or sudo apt-get update |
| 07:13.54 | mmnicolas | if you're a sudoer |
| 07:14.01 | Azar | valdyn: so the difference is only the way the work is processed... |
| 07:14.03 | troy- | wols, i did that already :) |
| 07:14.05 | valdyn | Azar: its the same deal as to why you WANT device drivers to be in linus kernel. It makes everything easier for everyone |
| 07:14.16 | mmnicolas | troy-: then there is something you forgot |
| 07:14.16 | wols | troy-: paste your sources.list |
| 07:14.24 | mmnicolas | troy-: text is text |
| 07:14.26 | troy- | Check if the 'dpkg-dev' package is installed. |
| 07:14.26 | troy- | E: Child process failed |
| 07:14.40 | wols | not here! and the full output |
| 07:14.48 | mmnicolas | wth |
| 07:15.41 | Azar | valdyn: will Debian ever bow and accept the closed device drivers software "as-is-full-of-bugs" just because the users demand to have them? |
| 07:15.41 | troy- | mmnicolas, wow that was weird, it downloaded one package from the net but not the other |
| 07:15.56 | troy- | now it works ;) |
| 07:16.00 | valdyn | Azar: no |
| 07:16.03 | wols | Azar: no |
| 07:16.08 | Azar | because the other camp surely do want that |
| 07:16.11 | wols | Azar: it cannot. it's against DFSG |
| 07:16.16 | valdyn | Azar: that's one diff that ubuntu will have to work out itself forever. |
| 07:16.40 | mmnicolas | of cours |
| 07:16.42 | valdyn | Azar: 'costly' for them |
| 07:16.45 | Azar | phew! |
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| 07:17.02 | wols | ubuntu itself already has their "restricted packages" |
| 07:17.11 | mmnicolas | debian is meant to be reference, always stayin authentic |
| 07:17.26 | Azar | I tend to look in van nichol's mouth today... they might be looking at a deal with ms.. for several closed sources reasons |
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| 07:17.34 | valdyn | Azar: i think you got the point that 'offloading' patches to parent projects is GOOD for everyone, not freeloading |
| 07:17.47 | mmnicolas | so that every common-user oriented distro could base on it |
| 07:17.55 | troy- | wols, in order to compile i need a c compiler, should i apt-get it? |
| 07:18.02 | wols | and considering they'd have to pay license fees if they distribute mpeg codecs and the like, I don#t see that going away |
| 07:18.02 | Azar | valdyn: yes, indeed... thanks for the clarification |
| 07:18.11 | wols | !tell troy- about b-e |
| 07:18.29 | mmnicolas | troy-: there is a metapakage named build-essentials |
| 07:18.36 | roxy_ | I am trying to set up multihead screen and failing. Anyone knows of a gui that could walk me throught the step ? |
| 07:18.46 | troy- | mmnicolas, you guys are the greatest ;) |
| 07:18.52 | wols | roxy_: I told you before it does not exist |
| 07:19.20 | wols | roxy_: what videochip is it? |
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| 07:19.34 | wols | maybe (only maybe) nvidia's xconfig or ati's catalyst control center do it |
| 07:19.39 | mmnicolas | wols: she may used nvidia-settings :P |
| 07:19.40 | troy- | mmnicolas, apparently zlib isnt included :) |
| 07:20.01 | wols | troy-: man apt-get |
| 07:20.02 | mmnicolas | troy-: then just apt-get it |
| 07:20.10 | wols | it has functions to deal with that |
| 07:20.22 | wols | no need to apt-get it manually one by one |
| 07:20.24 | roxy_ | wols: intel 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML |
| 07:20.30 | Armagedon_ | exit |
| 07:20.31 | light_ | where can i see a "log" , my system shut down while i was sleeping and i want to know why |
| 07:20.36 | Armagedon_ | EXIT |
| 07:20.47 | wols | light_: syslog, kern.log. but chances are, nothing is in ther |
| 07:20.54 | roxy_ | wols: driver i810 |
| 07:21.00 | mmnicolas | roxy_: then you have to make your xinerama settings manually |
| 07:21.05 | wols | roxy_: I know. just doesn't change anything. no GUI afaik |
| 07:21.33 | light_ | wols, I believe its an heating problem.. but lets give it a shot.. :P |
| 07:21.51 | roxy_ | mmnicolas: do I need xinerama, I only want same output on both screen. |
| 07:21.56 | wols | light_: do you have a program to monitor heat? |
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| 07:22.41 | mmnicolas | roxy_: can't tell, but the term "clone" is usually meant for this, this might help your research |
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| 07:22.46 | light_ | wols, no, i think i have a problem with lm sensors.. or i'm just not trying hard enough |
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| 07:24.11 | troy- | wols, okay ./configure passed successfuly, should i make as well? |
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| 07:24.29 | wols | troy-: no you should neither. not ./configure, not make |
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| 07:24.43 | wols | light_: you can also try mbmon |
| 07:24.44 | troy- | *awaits instructions* |
| 07:24.55 | troy- | wols, what is the correct course of action? |
| 07:25.23 | wols | troy-: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 07:25.29 | wols | reading docs foremost |
| 07:25.37 | cast | just so i got this clear, because if i haven't i might be dced for a while, if i want to shift my adsl router into bridged mode, i plug it into a debian box, with ipmasq, pppoe and pppoeconf installed and setup pppoe and ill be back on the net? |
| 07:25.46 | light_ | wols, well.. the log says i pressed the shut down button |
| 07:25.58 | cast | [and go into the routers config and switch it to bridged mode, obviously |
| 07:26.05 | mmnicolas | troy-: i guess make then make install would do the trifk |
| 07:26.09 | mmnicolas | *trick |
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| 07:26.19 | troy- | mmnicolas, but i need to patch with a file |
| 07:26.25 | troy- | or else i would just apt-get install openssh |
| 07:26.34 | mmnicolas | then, reading docs would be appropriate |
| 07:26.34 | wols | cast: basically yes. with pppoeconf by default you have to use "pon" |
| 07:26.49 | wols | but when you set ppp to deman, this will work automatically too |
| 07:26.51 | sinthetek | i'm trying to get debian installed here with a cd i have from 5/06, but i am not seeing an option for manual partition or manual network setup in simple or expert mode |
| 07:26.51 | wols | also, use dnsmasq |
| 07:26.59 | sinthetek | or an option to initiate base install |
| 07:27.05 | sinthetek | any idea what would cause this to occur? |
| 07:27.06 | Gigantic | cast: What about DMZplus ? |
| 07:27.32 | cast | Gigantic: i do not know what you mean |
| 07:27.36 | wols | Gigantic: whatevre it is, doesn#t seem to be in debian |
| 07:27.43 | troy- | wols, that doesnt really show me how to patch |
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| 07:28.02 | Gigantic | cast: No, in the modem you can use DMZplus if supported instead of bridge |
| 07:28.06 | wols | troy-: no it doesn't. but it tells you how to install a source package. cause ./configure is totally the wrong way |
| 07:28.24 | wols | Gigantic: and how does this help him? |
| 07:28.33 | cast | Gigantic: oh. the issue is the router sucks, i want to kick it into bridged mode to see if i can get a stable that way. a friend reported success that way |
| 07:28.41 | Gigantic | wols: it is not a package but a configuration in whiche the modem deals with everything but passes the public IP directly to the computer |
| 07:28.47 | wols | troy-: patch is a variation of "patch < patchfile". that's it. |
| 07:28.52 | wols | for specifics, see the manpage |
| 07:29.18 | troy- | wols, okay i have the openssh source and i have the file i want to patch it with |
| 07:29.33 | wols | how did youg et the openssh source? |
| 07:29.34 | Azar | sinthetek: maybe you have chosen "standard" mode at the beginning |
| 07:29.44 | sinthetek | Azar: i tried both |
| 07:29.45 | troy- | apt-get source openssh |
| 07:30.12 | wols | sinthetek: from what I remember, you could always manually partition. and if dhcp fails it would ask you to enter a static ip |
| 07:30.13 | Gigantic | cast: ... |
| 07:30.17 | wols | troy-: good |
| 07:30.20 | Azar | sinthetek: yea standard I guess will not give you that chance... I gues the third option is the one that let's you do more work on it |
| 07:30.33 | wols | I cannot tell you how to patch exactly since I dunno how tha patch was made |
| 07:30.35 | troy- | wols, and this is my patch file: http://bugzilla.mindrot.org/attachment.cgi?id=1216&action=edit |
| 07:30.36 | sinthetek | wols: it just says autodetect network failed, try again? |
| 07:30.44 | troy- | now you do :) |
| 07:30.47 | sinthetek | that is the only network-related option int he menu as well |
| 07:30.55 | wols | sinthetek: that means it couldn't load a driver for your NIC. what NIC is it? |
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| 07:31.04 | sinthetek | same with autopartition. doesn't mention manual partition and if i select auto it warns it will erase the hd |
| 07:31.13 | Azar | sinthetek: the dhcp is the default and if it does not find a dhcp... will invite you to enter the static ip et all |
| 07:31.37 | sinthetek | wols: it's a an atheros nic that uses madwifi driver |
| 07:31.43 | sinthetek | Azar |
| 07:31.46 | sinthetek | it didn't. |
| 07:31.50 | Azar | ah madwifi hell |
| 07:31.53 | wols | sinthetek: that is not possible to install under debian at isntall time |
| 07:32.08 | sinthetek | i've done it before via floppy and dpkg |
| 07:32.14 | wols | debian doesn't come with any drivers for it. you have to later get madwifi (in contrib or non-free even) and compileit yourself |
| 07:32.15 | floppypond | eh? |
| 07:32.22 | sinthetek | well, after installation i think |
| 07:32.23 | floppypond | oh, floppy disc.. |
| 07:32.26 | sinthetek | i don't remember for sure |
| 07:32.42 | sinthetek | all i really need to do is select the partitions |
| 07:32.45 | sinthetek | and get a base on there |
| 07:32.50 | sinthetek | andi can't do it |
| 07:32.58 | sinthetek | no mention of partitioning at all in expert mode |
| 07:32.59 | floppypond | ow |
| 07:33.05 | Azar | sinthetek: like wols said... after installation alter your apt sources.list by adding non-free contrib to them, then install and compile your madwifi driver |
| 07:33.13 | wols | sinthetek: then get an official etch installer |
| 07:33.15 | troy- | wols, this is possible? |
| 07:33.27 | wols | troy-: sure it is |
| 07:33.39 | sinthetek | so... in other words, no idea why items are missing from my installation menus? |
| 07:33.49 | wols | troy-: if the patch works for the version in debian |
| 07:34.01 | wols | sinthetek: no, but back then it was beta software |
| 07:34.10 | sinthetek | s/menus/dialogues |
| 07:34.15 | sinthetek | true |
| 07:34.18 | troy- | wols, whats the next step? |
| 07:34.33 | wols | but even then I think it had manual partitioning. which makes me believe it's aPEBKAC |
| 07:34.37 | sinthetek | well, i don't want to waste a cd just to install one time again. i have a pile of single-install cds sitting here, heh |
| 07:34.40 | wols | troy-: patch it |
| 07:34.54 | troy- | wols, haha how? |
| 07:34.56 | wols | troy-: and no I will not hand hold prechewing evey command for you |
| 07:35.03 | wols | I already told you |
| 07:35.08 | sinthetek | wols: i'm pretty sure it's the same cd i installed on my gateway/firewall |
| 07:35.16 | sinthetek | i used it multiple times |
| 07:35.21 | wols | sinthetek: is there already an OS (windows...) on the disk? |
| 07:35.35 | sinthetek | if there weren't auto parition wouldn't be a problem :P |
| 07:35.59 | wols | if you have mor than just madwifi for network access: www.goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 07:36.03 | sinthetek | i wish i could screenshot it for ya... |
| 07:36.14 | sinthetek | is it normal for there to be no lspci in the install shell? |
| 07:36.34 | wols | there should be a lspci afaik |
| 07:36.41 | sinthetek | also, it mentioned disk accessibility via /target... that's not there either |
| 07:36.52 | sinthetek | in either mode |
| 07:37.04 | Azar | sinthetek: look here... scroll down until you reach the "partition setup" screens.. is what you see as well? http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_debian_etch |
| 07:37.05 | Gigantic | isn't http://goodbye-windows.org ? |
| 07:37.35 | troy- | wols, i must have missed the instruction? |
| 07:38.02 | wols | 09:28 < wols> troy-: patch is a variation of "patch < patchfile". that's it. |
| 07:38.10 | sinthetek | never asked for hostname/net info at all |
| 07:38.22 | sinthetek | never asked for partitioning method |
| 07:38.27 | sinthetek | hrm... |
| 07:38.27 | wols | sinthetek: it's kinda useless when you don't have a network card |
| 07:38.38 | sinthetek | in simple mode.. yeah |
| 07:38.49 | sinthetek | well, no, that couldn't be it |
| 07:38.49 | wols | you don't have a NIC in expert mode either |
| 07:38.57 | sinthetek | well, i was thinking |
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| 07:39.06 | sinthetek | maybe network config fail affected partitioing options |
| 07:39.12 | wols | no |
| 07:39.17 | sinthetek | but then i remembered it was still gonna let me auto-paritition in simple mode |
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| 07:39.46 | sinthetek | i can get network up via floppy in a minute or two |
| 07:40.06 | sinthetek | i will try simple mode again and then try a floppy install |
| 07:40.21 | floppypond | aaah! |
| 07:40.29 | wols | why? do you already have premade drivers for your install kernel from madwifi? |
| 07:41.02 | sinthetek | i'm thinking i do |
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| 07:41.26 | sinthetek | or there is one out there |
| 07:41.34 | sinthetek | i can't remember how i installed it exactly the last time |
| 07:41.36 | sinthetek | or when |
| 07:42.09 | sinthetek | but i have a fair amount of experience with the nic/driver configuring my debian gateway/firewall as an ap and the other debian box as a workstation |
| 07:42.28 | sinthetek | i'll wing it somehow if i can get the install dialogue to work |
| 07:43.09 | sinthetek | properly* |
| 07:44.00 | troy- | wols, patch: **** strip count l is not a number |
| 07:44.35 | wols | troy-: ffull output and what your command was please |
| 07:44.53 | troy- | root@tokenring:/etc/pam.d/openssh-4.3p2# patch -Npl < openssh-4.3p2-pam-session.patch |
| 07:44.53 | troy- | patch: **** strip count l is not a number |
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| 07:45.11 | atula | okay. every time I aptitude something... I got this: "The following packages have been kept back: apt apt-utils" Is this real bad? I mostly use aptitude now though |
| 07:45.16 | wols | why are you in /etc/pam? |
| 07:45.40 | troy- | because thats where the source is? |
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| 07:46.16 | wols | you should build it in your ~ |
| 07:46.20 | wols | or such. not /etc |
| 07:46.57 | troy- | okay, but will that change the error? |
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| 07:47.26 | roxy_ | troy-: |
| 07:47.36 | roxy_ | troy-: 1 as one, not l as elle |
| 07:47.45 | Gigantic | Unfair world, gotta boot into Win to play HL2.... |
| 07:47.46 | roxy_ | -Np1 |
| 07:48.10 | Gigantic | isn't someway to run Windows in a tty :P |
| 07:48.10 | Azar | sinthetek: in this article, scroll down to the line: "How Much Control Do You Want Today?" that will answer your question about partition and more... http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/83025/index.html |
| 07:48.22 | troy- | roxy_, good work |
| 07:48.41 | roxy_ | troy-: been there :-) |
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| 07:50.04 | wols | !tell atula about held back |
| 07:50.12 | troy- | roxy_, now that i've patched should i recompile? |
| 07:50.32 | wols | yes. but not with make, not with configure |
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| 07:50.56 | wols | and did the patch go through without errors? |
| 07:50.57 | Skaag | Is there a channel in freenode to discuss sysadmin issues specifically? |
| 07:51.01 | troy- | yup |
| 07:51.10 | sinthetek | Azar |
| 07:51.10 | wols | Skaag: ask #freenode |
| 07:51.16 | Skaag | thanks mate |
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| 07:51.19 | Azar | sinthetek |
| 07:51.19 | sinthetek | something wrong with this cd then i guess |
| 07:51.21 | sinthetek | i don't know |
| 07:51.32 | sinthetek | it only does steps 1-3 in phase 1 |
| 07:51.34 | valdyn | Skaag: if its a debian system to admin, then its this channel |
| 07:51.36 | sinthetek | both in expert and simple mode |
| 07:51.50 | cast | ok, slight oversight. if eth0 is the dsl modem and eth1 is my lan, what should the eth0 entry in /etc/network be? should ihave one at all? |
| 07:51.50 | Azar | no, read carefully, when you first boot the cd, pick your choice, (default is standard), try medium |
| 07:52.07 | cast | /etc/network/interfaces i mean |
| 07:52.11 | sinthetek | phase II == 'automatically parition your drive' on my install dialgoue |
| 07:52.13 | sinthetek | dialogue* |
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| 07:52.29 | wols | cast: no need for one. but it doesn't matter if you do have a static setting there |
| 07:52.30 | valdyn | cast: run pppoeconf, that would set up your /etc/network/interfaces as much as needed |
| 07:52.34 | Azar | sinthetek: and if not even "medium" does not satisfy you, go with "expert" |
| 07:52.35 | sinthetek | i know what expert/standard mode is. i'm in expert mode now |
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| 07:52.49 | cast | valdyn: hmm, alright. |
| 07:52.50 | sinthetek | i also attempted to use netinst/dhcp=no or whatever |
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| 07:52.55 | cast | thanks wols, valdyn |
| 07:52.56 | sinthetek | still didn't ask to manual config my network either |
| 07:52.57 | BlackDragon42 | Hello. |
| 07:53.06 | Ace_NoOne | hi there - how can I add my user to the group www-data? (I'm quite new to this) |
| 07:53.20 | wols | sinthetek: it never will until it can load a network driver. which it cannot for atheros |
| 07:53.25 | valdyn | Ace_NoOne: why would you do that? |
| 07:53.28 | wols | Ace_NoOne: man addgroup |
| 07:53.35 | Azar | sinthetek: bad news for me too, did not tried the etch installer yet... ( I was hoping I get a woody-like installation mode) |
| 07:53.49 | sinthetek | wols: it can for the other regular lan car |
| 07:53.49 | Ace_NoOne | valdyn: because then I could more easily use WinSCP to transfer files directly into the MediaWiki dir |
| 07:53.52 | Ace_NoOne | hanks wols |
| 07:53.53 | atula | woh. If I choose to upgrade apt and apt-utils I'll have to remove aptitude... man... this is a nut-bustng sort of logic |
| 07:53.59 | sinthetek | just no connection there |
| 07:54.00 | Skaag | valdyn: well I need advice about some routing and firewalling solutions and I don't want to bother people with off topic questions... :-\ |
| 07:54.16 | valdyn | Skaag: #iptables |
| 07:54.24 | BlackDragon42 | me |
| 07:54.26 | wols | !btssmite troy- |
| 07:54.28 | Skaag | good idea |
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| 07:54.41 | wols | troy-: sorry. mea culpa |
| 07:54.41 | sinthetek | Azar: i think something is just buggy with my cd... maybe i accidentally dl'd a pre-alpha iso, heh |
| 07:54.43 | troy- | argh |
| 07:54.44 | wols | should have been atula |
| 07:54.48 | BlackDragon42 | <Twiddles thumbs.> |
| 07:54.49 | Ace_NoOne | valdyn: would you advise me not to do that? |
| 07:54.50 | wols | !btssmite atula |
| 07:54.57 | sinthetek | it worked before though *shrug* |
| 07:55.01 | Azar | sinthetek: well then try to get the netinstall.. the official |
| 07:55.07 | valdyn | Ace_NoOne: no, just asking to make sure |
| 07:55.08 | thyko | is there somewhere i can find the default list of official apt servers for debian sarge? |
| 07:55.13 | Ace_NoOne | :) |
| 07:55.13 | sinthetek | i am going with floppy install now |
| 07:55.28 | atula | awww... |
| 07:55.29 | sinthetek | i'm tried of burning cds and only installing them once |
| 07:55.33 | Azar | sinthetek: or maybe you got in some routine by now and skipping minor details.. |
| 07:55.49 | sinthetek | Azar: i didn't have a chance to skip anything! |
| 07:55.57 | wols | sinthetek: cd-rws are a great tech |
| 07:56.00 | thyko | anybody? |
| 07:56.03 | valdyn | thyko: www.debian.org |
| 07:56.16 | wols | !tell thyko about mirrors |
| 07:56.24 | sinthetek | Azar: it asks about keyboard and language, then drops to the dialogue which doesn't say anything about manual partition or manual network config |
| 07:56.28 | wols | but oldstable is kinda different I guess. dunno of a list |
| 07:56.31 | sinthetek | not in expert or normal or simple |
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| 07:56.38 | Gigantic | !spy |
| 07:56.38 | dpkg | We're watching you... |
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| 07:56.41 | flixil | Hello, is there a testing or unstable wmii user here? I was going to try wmii but i found the package brocken and a bug already filled. I would like to make my own .deb with the autor's code, but i don't know wich code download because debian version is 3.6.$DATE and the autor's newest is 3.5 and on the snapshot there is no version with $DATE version. And i cannot download the debian source because there is where the error remains. An |
| 07:56.41 | flixil | ideas? Thanks a lot |
| 07:56.42 | Azar | sinthetek: there is an usual Yes No button.... on few screens, a wrong choice and there you go |
| 07:57.00 | Azar | sinthetek: that might be the dreaded "standard" |
| 07:57.07 | Gigantic | wols: maybe apt-spy is what he needs |
| 07:57.14 | sinthetek | wols: back when i tried them out, they were kinda expensive then and everytime i tried to use them they got ruined :\ |
| 07:57.15 | vladuz976 | so if I want only certain packages from unstable the best way is to use backports in lenny? |
| 07:57.29 | wols | flixil: cvs most probably is where debian got the source |
| 07:57.44 | atula | okay. I'm running unstable... after getting the basic system.. x-window-system and xdm... it restarted and halted at a blank black screen... I would think it would at least show the xdm console... *sigh |
| 07:57.46 | sinthetek | Azar: what was the wrong choice then? 102 us keyboard or us.utf8? |
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| 07:58.17 | Scurz | hello |
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| 07:59.10 | sinthetek | anyway, thanks for your help guys... who knows maybe it is something i'm doing wrong, but i started install like 4-5 times and double checked for options each time |
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| 07:59.51 | sinthetek | imma go read up on floppy installs a bit maybe |
| 07:59.59 | sinthetek | actually... i do have one blank cdrw here, haha |
| 08:00.07 | sinthetek | i might go ahead and try that out |
| 08:00.18 | sinthetek | it's like 4 years old :P |
| 08:00.26 | sinthetek | ok, ttyl |
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| 08:00.46 | flixil | Well wols i don't see cvs, and if there no other place to look i'll "try" to make a deb of an other version |
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| 08:01.18 | Scurz | How know the version of a package compiled ? Because with dpkg -l, it's for the packages installed with apt or dpkg. |
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| 08:01.56 | wols | compiled how? |
| 08:02.05 | valdyn | Scurz: that's kind of tricky to parse |
| 08:02.06 | atula | dang it.. xdm stops at blank screen... what do I do? (runnign unstable here) |
| 08:02.10 | valdyn | Scurz: what do you really mean? |
| 08:02.13 | flixil | Scurz: usually with program --version or -v, or rather looking at /usr/src/program-version |
| 08:02.23 | wols | atula: single user mode |
| 08:02.56 | Scurz | mm |
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| 08:03.15 | Scurz | flixil: it's not possible with a -v or --version with htop. |
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| 08:03.33 | valdyn | Scurz: dpkg -l htop |
| 08:03.50 | Scurz | valdyn: No. |
| 08:04.32 | Scurz | valdyn: I went to know the version of a package compiled. |
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| 08:04.38 | wols | Scurz: then it's not a debian package, so why would we care? |
| 08:04.57 | flixil | I'm reading the debian developer guide, and not the man make nor the debian developer guide (as far as i get reading) explains me the diference with make clean and make dist-clean (i supose it depends on the makefile)... Is there any standard that xplains what does each one do in a random package, apart from reading the make file? What does clean and dist-clean suppose to do, or where can i read the standard about it? |
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| 08:05.16 | flixil | Scurz: I'm sure you keep the source (to uninstall and so) so look at the source |
| 08:05.22 | Scurz | okok |
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| 08:06.36 | flixil | Thanks in advance |
| 08:07.07 | valdyn | flixil: dist-clean removes a few more files, like the results from running ./autogen.sh or ./configure, depending on the package |
| 08:07.44 | Scurz | Thanks. |
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| 08:08.38 | flixil | So it's ok to think that make clean only removes the binary generated and make dist-clean also removes the config files? |
| 08:08.51 | valdyn | flixil: yes |
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| 08:09.41 | liable | ok, i made sshd only ipv4, wtf else is trying to load ipv6 module? |
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| 08:11.12 | valdyn | liable: why dont you blacklist the ip6 module? |
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| 08:11.21 | valdyn | s/ip6/ipv6 |
| 08:11.36 | liable | valdyn: i did, but i am getting in my logs something trying to load the blacklisted module |
| 08:11.54 | valdyn | liable: uh, ignore that? |
| 08:11.56 | ma3x | when I do man something, I type / and search for an existing word, but it says pattern not found. and page up/down wont work |
| 08:11.58 | liable | which fails, but i keep getting logcheck emails about it |
| 08:12.02 | valdyn | liable: /etc/init.d/networking does, probably |
| 08:12.24 | valdyn | liable: it doesnt need to fail |
| 08:12.26 | valdyn | !blacklist |
| 08:12.26 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 08:12.28 | liable | eh? what causes networking to be run every couple of hours? |
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| 08:12.36 | cast | thanks guys, i'm in action :) |
| 08:12.44 | valdyn | liable: use the method described at the bottom |
| 08:12.47 | liable | valdyn: um, it *is* blacklisted |
| 08:12.58 | valdyn | liable: well, how is it blacklisted? |
| 08:13.25 | valdyn | liable: did you use the method for 'etch and sid' as dpkg said? |
| 08:13.32 | liable | valdyn: from /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and in aliases |
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| 08:14.02 | liable | its not the blacklisting thats my concern, its what is trying to load it |
| 08:14.14 | ma3x | can anyone answe please |
| 08:14.26 | valdyn | liable: aye, i see that you chose the hard solution |
| 08:14.36 | valdyn | liable: exim4? |
| 08:14.45 | valdyn | liable: most daemons are ipv6 enabled |
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| 08:15.02 | liable | postfix on this box |
| 08:15.49 | valdyn | liable: you dont really want to disable ipv6 at various places ( all network services ) instead of just one place |
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| 08:16.15 | ma3x | what do you need ipv6 for? |
| 08:16.24 | valdyn | ma3x: for ipv6 |
| 08:16.31 | mrynit | is there a way to force eject a cd from terminal? |
| 08:16.33 | ma3x | but what for? |
| 08:16.38 | ma3x | why not ipv4? |
| 08:16.40 | valdyn | ma3x: google it |
| 08:16.47 | wols | mrynit: eject |
| 08:16.47 | liable | valdyn: i only disabled because my routers firmware is shit at the moment, apparently they are working on it |
| 08:16.53 | valdyn | ma3x: they are not mutually exclusive |
| 08:16.58 | ma3x | valdyn, it gives you more address space, but yoou don't need that yet |
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| 08:17.13 | valdyn | ma3x: dont speak for me ;) |
| 08:17.16 | wols | ma3x: tell that to china |
| 08:17.18 | valdyn | ma3x: i need it. |
| 08:17.22 | Gigantic | is it only US that uses date : MM/DD/YY ? |
| 08:17.31 | ma3x | well china needs it they are billions |
| 08:17.34 | wols | Gigantic: among others |
| 08:17.53 | valdyn | ipv6 is widespread in korea i think |
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| 08:17.56 | mrynit | wols, umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy |
| 08:17.57 | liable | grepping the time in question only gives me the errors, no daemon log seems to mention that its trying to do it |
| 08:18.14 | ma3x | anyway when I "man mplayer" what is the doc file opened with? |
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| 08:18.39 | mrynit | wols, btw im trying to install some stuff true wine and the install is on five cd's. i need to eject cd1 and put in cd2 |
| 08:18.50 | Gigantic | Everyone need IPv6 |
| 08:18.50 | valdyn | ma3x: using ipv6 i can access my laptop directly, behind an ipv4 nat, with only one public ipv4 ip |
| 08:18.56 | NeoGeo64 | Hey all... I need some help |
| 08:18.56 | Gigantic | unless for LAN |
| 08:18.56 | liable | good luck with that |
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| 08:19.05 | NeoGeo64 | How do I activate Debian? |
| 08:19.06 | xand | !tell NeoGeo64 about ask |
| 08:19.22 | xand | what? |
| 08:19.23 | Gigantic | activate? |
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| 08:19.37 | Gigantic | like with a Windows licence? |
| 08:19.55 | ma3x | haha |
| 08:19.56 | NeoGeo64 | Doesn't a new OS Need to be activated |
| 08:19.58 | NeoGeo64 | like vista |
| 08:20.00 | Gigantic | or like: 'push the power button' |
| 08:20.01 | ma3x | no |
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| 08:20.06 | valdyn | NeoGeo64: trolling? |
| 08:20.07 | alexou | hello |
| 08:20.10 | alexou | (EE) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP failed to initialize. Disabling the DRI. |
| 08:20.18 | wols | mrynit: use fuser to check what is using the cd |
| 08:20.28 | valdyn | alexou: so you need agpgart support, which mainboard chipset is it? |
| 08:20.47 | mrynit | wols, wine for the install of the app. but if i kill wine i kill the install |
| 08:20.59 | valdyn | alexou: paste the output of ls -l /dev/agpgart |
| 08:20.59 | NeoGeo64 | i bought a copy of vista and it wouldnt activate, and the ms rep hung up on me, so my friend put linux on my computer but he didnt give me a cd key or any activation cracks |
| 08:21.03 | r3dbeard | NeoGeo64 is trolling indeed |
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| 08:21.07 | r3dbeard | hes on the gentoo channel too |
| 08:21.09 | xand | NeoGeo64: only crap OSes require activation |
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| 08:21.16 | alexou | vladuz976, intel_agp 21148 0 |
| 08:21.17 | alexou | agpgart 29896 2 drm,intel_agp |
| 08:21.19 | valdyn | NeoGeo64: that's fine, just use linux. |
| 08:21.38 | valdyn | alexou: grep 666 /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 08:21.48 | NeoGeo64 | is linux like windows |
| 08:21.51 | ma3x | valdyn, what big sites support ipv6? |
| 08:21.53 | valdyn | NeoGeo64: no |
| 08:22.02 | Gigantic | NeoGeo64: You are being silly |
| 08:22.02 | alexou | valdyn, Mode 0666 |
| 08:22.06 | valdyn | ma3x: go and google |
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| 08:22.16 | valdyn | ma3x: i dont appreciate your laziness. |
| 08:22.17 | NeoGeo64 | doesnt vista use linux? |
| 08:22.18 | alexou | vladuz976, i haven't got the folder /dev/agpgart |
| 08:22.38 | ma3x | valdyn, yahoo doesnt |
| 08:22.41 | Gigantic | !kick NeoGeo64 |
| 08:22.43 | alexou | valdyn, i haven't got the folder /dev/agpgart |
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| 08:23.00 | valdyn | alexou: that,s supposed to be a file |
| 08:23.08 | valdyn | alexou: which is your debian release? |
| 08:23.15 | alexou | valdyn, etch |
| 08:23.25 | valdyn | alexou: dpkg -l udev | tail -1 |
| 08:23.27 | NeoGeo64 | how do i get aol to work on linux |
| 08:23.33 | xand | !ops NeoGeo64 trolling |
| 08:23.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: NeoGeo64 trolling |
| 08:23.48 | alexou | valdyn, ii udev 0.105-4 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 08:24.03 | shogunx | NeoGeo64 if you pay aol enough they might work on something. |
| 08:24.15 | valdyn | alexou: uname -r |
| 08:24.25 | alexou | valdyn, kernel 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 08:24.27 | flixil | valdyn: well really laziness is a programer quality (or at least is what the camel book or perl says)... It's the quality of working a lot to be able not to work. Quite a paradox |
| 08:24.46 | Lynoure | hmmph |
| 08:24.47 | valdyn | flixil: you obviously dont know ma3x ;) |
| 08:24.58 | Gigantic | shogunx: Who care about it? it's crap even under Windows |
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| 08:25.15 | shogunx | Gigantic, i was fucking with him. |
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| 08:25.28 | flixil | No, obviously not :) Well i got to go, I'll keep in trying to package later, see you pple |
| 08:25.33 | ma3x | valdyn, you dont know me too |
| 08:25.35 | Gigantic | shogunx: o.O |
| 08:25.50 | xand | ma3x: "either" |
| 08:25.51 | valdyn | NeoGeo64: i think you should get your friend to assist you. However you can probably use pppoeconf to connect to aol too |
| 08:26.00 | ma3x | xand, whatever |
| 08:26.10 | valdyn | ma3x: true, i know only your irc - lines |
| 08:26.12 | wols | for aol, there is a special dialer for linux called PenAOL |
| 08:26.14 | berkes | i am fighting procmail for the last four hours. Dies anyone have a simple example of how I can pipe incoming mail trough a program and send the output as result? |
| 08:26.18 | wols | aol doesn't use pppoe afaik |
| 08:26.40 | ma3x | valdyn, it sucks when people wont help you |
| 08:26.50 | ma3x | i mean i posed my question a couple of times already |
| 08:26.52 | Gigantic | but for aol he might mean the aol browser |
| 08:26.54 | xand | wols: stop feeding |
| 08:26.55 | wols | ma3x: it sucks when there are leeches like you in #debian |
| 08:26.57 | ma3x | how the hell can i find out that myself? |
| 08:27.06 | valdyn | alexou: 'dmesg | grep -i agp', paste the output on a paste site if its more than one line |
| 08:27.06 | SteveC | Silence is greeting me in #postfix - anyone know why a postfix mail server would refuse to relay to items in it's transport list ? |
| 08:27.12 | ma3x | wols, and you are the worst supported |
| 08:27.16 | ma3x | are you aware of that? |
| 08:27.24 | flixil | valdyn: I think that NeoGeo64 is just trolling |
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| 08:27.39 | NeoGeo64 | naw |
| 08:27.40 | valdyn | flixil: yea |
| 08:27.41 | NeoGeo64 | :) |
| 08:27.43 | NeoGeo64 | night all |
| 08:27.48 | alexou | valdyn, Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones |
| 08:27.58 | Gigantic | NeoGeo64: Got your IP |
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| 08:28.09 | alexou | valdyn, for me it's one line ;) |
| 08:28.11 | valdyn | alexou: quite strange that its not showing in /dev/agpgart.. hold on |
| 08:28.12 | NeoGeo64 | Gigantic, and? |
| 08:28.19 | wols | ma3x: I ahve answered a lot of your questions. just that more and more people in here know you by now |
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| 08:28.52 | valdyn | alexou: cat /proc/mtrr |
| 08:28.59 | ma3x | wols, not %10 of your answers were sufficient |
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| 08:29.23 | alexou | valdyn, reg00: base=0x00000000 ( 0MB), size=1024MB: write-back, count=1 |
| 08:29.23 | alexou | reg01: base=0xe0000000 (3584MB), size= 128MB: write-combining, count=1 |
| 08:29.39 | peasse | hello, i'm playing with the rename console tool... How can i set on Upcase all the first letters of the words in my files with Rename? thanks a lot!! |
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| 08:29.58 | valdyn | ma3x: we are here voluntarily. We like people who make an effort to find out without bothering us first. Being lazy is an insult to us, as WE are expected to sacrifice time for you |
| 08:30.10 | cast | panthera: man rename i think will help |
| 08:30.10 | flixil | ma3x: well asking that when you open man mplayer what the doc opens with is quite... Interesting at least |
| 08:30.31 | ma3x | flixil, yes it is, but people won't bother reading it |
| 08:30.41 | flixil | ma3x: man man and man nroff gives you the question |
| 08:30.43 | Gigantic | peasse: You need an script, I don't thing rename can do that alone |
| 08:30.48 | ma3x | or they think everything can be googled |
| 08:30.50 | valdyn | alexou: ok |
| 08:30.55 | ma3x | that's the big word nowadays google |
| 08:31.07 | peasse | i already know the y/A-Z/a-z command , but it's not working for upcasing the first letters |
| 08:31.19 | flixil | ma3x: not anything... there is a good amount of information in man, info and /usr/share/doc in general |
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| 08:31.43 | Gigantic | ma3x: Wikipedia + Google + Man = Know it all |
| 08:31.45 | valdyn | alexou: mknod /dev/agpgart c 10 175 |
| 08:32.06 | ma3x | Gigantic, sometimes you can't figure things out all by yourself |
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| 08:32.25 | valdyn | alexou: paste the output of 'ls -l /dev/agpgart' after you did above command |
| 08:32.27 | Lynoure | Well, there is http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialAOL.html |
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| 08:32.41 | ma3x | like now for example. i'm trying to find out why on this system when i open a manpage, i can't search or page up/down |
| 08:32.46 | flixil | ma3x: to your information man uses man to read mans and without man you can use women in emacs or nroff and pipes, because man are compressed mans that you can man. Do you understand me man? |
| 08:32.48 | alexou | valdyn, crw-r--r-- 1 root root 10, 175 2007-06-16 10:32 /dev/agpgart |
| 08:32.53 | valdyn | ma3x: apt-get install less |
| 08:33.05 | Lynoure | So asking how to connect to AOL is not necessarily trolling |
| 08:33.16 | Gigantic | s\man/less |
| 08:33.16 | xingu | ma3x: export PAGER=less |
| 08:33.18 | valdyn | alexou: great, now 'chown root.video /dev/agpgart' |
| 08:33.22 | ma3x | now that's something |
| 08:33.29 | ma3x | thank you |
| 08:33.30 | flixil | Lynoure: i just said trolling because of the questions he did before |
| 08:33.46 | ma3x | you see, I couldn't have found that out myself |
| 08:33.53 | ma3x | it requires some experience |
| 08:33.59 | valdyn | alexou: and also 'chmod 660 /dev/agpgart' |
| 08:34.12 | valdyn | alexou: paste the output of 'ls -l /dev/agpgart' after you did above commands |
| 08:34.14 | Lynoure | flixil: I have been off-MS Windows so long I don't know how MS people new to Linux would assume things to be |
| 08:34.15 | xingu | ma3x: you're doing pretty well from what I can tell |
| 08:34.28 | ma3x | xingu, excellent thank you |
| 08:34.29 | alexou | valdyn, crw-rw---- 1 root video 10, 175 2007-06-16 10:32 /dev/agpgart |
| 08:34.29 | peasse | the man page for renam is quite ... laconic |
| 08:34.32 | flixil | ma3x: in man man, it explains you the use of $PAGER |
| 08:34.37 | valdyn | alexou: ok, try starting X |
| 08:34.41 | xingu | ma3x: I've been watching you bootstrap, you've come a long way in a short time |
| 08:34.50 | alexou | valdyn, thanks, see you soon |
| 08:35.08 | ma3x | xingu, true since yesterday i made a great installation |
| 08:35.20 | valdyn | alexou: im not sure that fix will persist through reboots |
| 08:35.30 | Gigantic | peasse: rename simply moves one file to another place |
| 08:35.50 | ma3x | flixil, you're the man |
| 08:36.01 | Gigantic | peasse: rename 'this' is the same as mv 'this' to 'thishere' |
| 08:36.24 | flixil | Lynoure: Well maybe you are true... But i just used to document myself before making stupid questions... I also read howto make insteligent questions, because before as i remember, pple where less nice on irc, and used rtfm even more. |
| 08:36.39 | Gigantic | peasse: nothing else. To upercase all the files, you'll need an script |
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| 08:36.58 | flixil | ma3x: i mean use the man command to man the manpage of the command man itself with just tryping "man man" on any terminal |
| 08:37.00 | Alarm | ello, is there a player so that i can broadcast music to a server so that it can forward the broadcasting to users ? |
| 08:37.02 | alexou | valdyn, the same pb |
| 08:37.04 | Alarm | what i am interest actually is how to broadcast songs that are played on my local computer to a server |
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| 08:37.29 | Gigantic | Alarm: VLC |
| 08:37.31 | Lynoure | flixil: wow. maybe you are rude. |
| 08:37.32 | alexou | valdyn, i have to reboot or to restart X ? |
| 08:37.38 | valdyn | alexou: what if you 'startx' as root? |
| 08:37.55 | ma3x | flixil, yup looking at it |
| 08:37.56 | valdyn | alexou: no, ctrl-alt-backspace restarts or terminates X |
| 08:38.09 | alexou | valdyn, i have done : <ctrl> <alt> <backspace> |
| 08:38.10 | Alarm | Gigantic, i dont want to play a stream , but to broadcast a stream |
| 08:38.26 | wols | Alarm: icecast, videolan |
| 08:38.46 | flixil | Lynoure: :) Yes quite a lot, but i try to help pple helping themself. It's quite difficult to change oneself. |
| 08:38.49 | Alarm | videolan is vlc ? |
| 08:38.52 | Alarm | icecast, i will check that |
| 08:38.53 | Lynoure | flixil: I could see that kind of insult to someone that asks a 'stupid' question, but giving it for answering one is a bit nasty |
| 08:38.57 | Gigantic | Alarm: yes, |
| 08:38.59 | valdyn | alexou: is this a very new mainboard btw? |
| 08:39.01 | Alarm | ok thanks |
| 08:39.18 | alexou | valdyn, in sarge it was OK |
| 08:39.26 | Gigantic | Alarm: you can brodcast only, actually VLC was made for broadcasting, but then it got a player too |
| 08:39.33 | peasse | Gigantic, do you know where i can find that kind of script? thanks |
| 08:39.40 | Alarm | ohh ok, didnt know that, thank you for your information |
| 08:39.42 | valdyn | alexou: now what about startx as root? does that work? |
| 08:40.03 | alexou | I am on X |
| 08:40.08 | valdyn | alexou: or 'startx -- :1' |
| 08:40.17 | valdyn | alexou: i know. |
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| 08:40.38 | Gigantic | peasse: you'll have to make it, and for that you need to learn bash, so, unless you are patient and persistent, I'd suggest you to rename manually |
| 08:40.47 | valdyn | alexou: you're on etch now? |
| 08:40.54 | alexou | valdyn, yes |
| 08:41.04 | valdyn | alexou: put xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a paste site, ill look if i can find something |
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| 08:41.24 | Gigantic | peasse: now, those files are music files? |
| 08:41.34 | alexou | valdyn, on #alexou it's ok ? |
| 08:41.39 | Gigantic | peasse: 'cause EasyTag has a function to do that |
| 08:41.43 | peasse | Gigantic, no just folders in fact , not files |
| 08:41.51 | Gigantic | script then |
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| 08:41.55 | peasse | ok, |
| 08:41.59 | flixil | Lynoure: I'm not insulting anyone, I'm the first one who sometimes does some stupid question. By that i don't mean that I or anyone is stupid. It's just that the question is itself stupid or rather it's better not to answer it directly but to point toward the solution to help the one who asks to be able to find information in such a matter, knowing the words search for or the methods to search. Sorry if i've bothered you |
| 08:42.08 | valdyn | alexou: well, im fine with that, but you give up the chance that others read it and help you |
| 08:42.08 | thyko | will 'aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-386' install the modules too? |
| 08:42.24 | valdyn | thyko: yes |
| 08:42.41 | Lynoure | flixil: oops, indeed. I misread you absurdly. Sorry |
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| 08:43.35 | Gigantic | thyko: sure, the modukles come with the kernel |
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| 08:43.47 | Lynoure | flixil: I should limit IRC to moments when I'm well slept and well fed. :) |
| 08:43.48 | Gigantic | thyko: actually the kernel itself is pretty small |
| 08:44.08 | thyko | i just updated my source tree to 'stable', i had installed sarge long ago |
| 08:44.11 | peasse | Gigantic, i use to play with Krename, but it works just for files, not for folders |
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| 08:44.20 | thyko | now aptitude wants to upgrade everything |
| 08:44.28 | valdyn | thyko: sure it does |
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| 08:44.35 | Gigantic | Lynoure: The golden rule: Do three hours of Yoga before IRCing :P |
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| 08:44.41 | thyko | is that safe? will anything break? |
| 08:45.13 | Lynoure | Gigantic: Maybe I should try that. :) |
| 08:45.21 | Gigantic | thyko: maybe |
| 08:45.21 | alexou | valdyn, what do you want to see in log file ? |
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| 08:45.43 | valdyn | !paste |
| 08:45.43 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 08:45.46 | valdyn | alexou: ^^^ |
| 08:45.58 | valdyn | alexou: your pastes in #alexou are incomplete... |
| 08:45.59 | thyko | i i asume its taking it from sarge to etch |
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| 08:46.10 | thyko | hmmm ... |
| 08:46.18 | alexou | valdyn, where can I put my files ? |
| 08:46.18 | valdyn | alexou: i dont know what i need to see, i'll notice if there's anytthing useful (missing) |
| 08:46.27 | Gigantic | thyko: but if you havn't broke something already and you are using the official pkgs all the times, there should not be any troubles :_ |
| 08:46.32 | valdyn | alexou: dpkg said it |
| 08:47.32 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 08:47.32 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 08:47.35 | thyko | Gigantic: http://rafb.net/p/msoyzb32.html |
| 08:47.45 | thyko | thats my entire sources.lst |
| 08:48.11 | valdyn | thyko: fine, no upgrade your whole system to etch |
| 08:48.17 | peasse | Do you have a good adress to learn bash ? |
| 08:48.18 | valdyn | thyko: fine, _now_ upgrade your whole system to etch |
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| 08:48.29 | tuxx | hey guys |
| 08:48.30 | Gigantic | !upgrade |
| 08:48.30 | dpkg | upgrade is probably what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first |
| 08:48.33 | valdyn | !bash |
| 08:48.33 | dpkg | well, bash is the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell. |
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| 08:49.02 | tuxx | i'm trying to connect to a WPA2 encrypted network with a prism2 device... |
| 08:49.10 | tuxx | how shld i go about doing that ? |
| 08:49.10 | valdyn | peasse: what were you trying to do ? |
| 08:49.12 | Gigantic | !distupgrade |
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| 08:49.17 | valdyn | peasse: renaming alot of files? |
| 08:49.19 | tuxx | i tried using wpa_supplicant |
| 08:50.05 | thyko | ok |
| 08:50.06 | alexou | valdyn, i don't understand what i have to do |
| 08:50.20 | peasse | valdyn, i was trying to set to upercase each first letters of the words of a lot of folders. |
| 08:50.28 | Gigantic | thyko: http://www.debianadmin.com/upgrade-sarge-to-etch.html |
| 08:50.44 | valdyn | alexou: you go to http://rafb.net/, click on 'PASTE' and paste asway, then give me the url |
| 08:50.55 | xingu | tuxx: try gnome-network-manager if you're using gnome |
| 08:51.12 | liable | thyko: wpasupp is the *only* way |
| 08:51.17 | tuxx | xingu: i'm using that right now |
| 08:51.19 | liable | as the backend |
| 08:51.32 | tuxx | but for some reason it shows the name of the wireless network but only accepts a WEP key |
| 08:51.38 | tuxx | eventho its a WPA2 encrypted network |
| 08:51.49 | xingu | tuxx: otherwise, wpa_supplicant is the right tool; I'm not using it myself so that's about the best I can do; I'm sure wpa_supplicant has some /usr/share/doc's though. |
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| 08:52.05 | peasse | valdyn, probably i'll have to rename about 1500 folders manually, unless i learn bash ;) |
| 08:52.25 | valdyn | peasse: im not sure you should learn baash for this |
| 08:52.42 | flixil | peasse: Make a script or learn to use emacs and dired to do this... Whatever |
| 08:52.44 | alexou | valdyn, http://rafb.net/p/rrLYti44.html |
| 08:52.49 | wols | peasse: do it in perl,python or another script language |
| 08:52.51 | wols | easier that way |
| 08:53.13 | codeRat | hi, I'm buying a webcam, and before I buy it, I want to know how difficult is to install it on debian. Any experience? |
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| 08:53.30 | flixil | wols: what about the rename tool? it's already written in perl |
| 08:53.35 | peasse | woIs, i don't know pearl or python either, just some vba :) |
| 08:53.53 | xingu | peasse: mmv was written for you once you wrap your head around regex character classes. |
| 08:53.55 | valdyn | alexou: ok, you need to quit x completely |
| 08:53.58 | Gigantic | vba? |
| 08:54.09 | valdyn | alexou: can you keep using irc after x is quite completely? |
| 08:54.15 | valdyn | alexou: can you keep using irc after x is quit completely? |
| 08:54.18 | liable | codeRat: depends whether its supported. google the exact model to see if it has a linux driver |
| 08:54.30 | peasse | Gigantic, visual basic for Access |
| 08:54.34 | alexou | valdyn, i boot an other PC |
| 08:54.37 | codeRat | liable: thx |
| 08:54.57 | valdyn | alexou: ok, let me know when you are ready to quit X .. |
| 08:55.12 | cahoot | codeRat, http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html |
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| 08:57.07 | xingu | peasse: mmv '[a-z]*' '#u1#2' should do it. |
| 08:57.36 | cast | hmm, whats the best option for accessing block devices over the network? just discovered freebsds ggated |
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| 08:58.02 | xingu | peasse: oic you need to uppercase all the words in the string on the lhs, hmm. |
| 08:58.21 | alexou | valdyn, i have qui X |
| 08:58.37 | Gigantic | m... anyone know how to link a to b in dpkg ? |
| 08:58.39 | valdyn | alexou: ok, log into the console, run 'modprobe -r radeon' |
| 08:58.43 | Gigantic | (bot) |
| 08:58.46 | peasse | thanks axingu, i install mmv |
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| 08:59.04 | xingu | peasse: that'll only uppercase the first char of each folder. |
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| 08:59.12 | peasse | ah.. |
| 08:59.14 | alexou | valdyn, [drm] Module unloaded |
| 08:59.16 | xingu | peasse: not the first char of each (whitespace delimited?) word. |
| 08:59.22 | peasse | and with the -r command? |
| 08:59.36 | valdyn | alexou: what's the output of 'cat /dev/agpgart' ? |
| 08:59.38 | Danielss89 | Hi, Hi, i've installed vmware and on my guest OS i've set up a static connection, but theres nothing in my routing table. How do i add something there, so that i can connect to the internet |
| 09:00.39 | alexou | valdyn, cat : /dev/agpgart : Aucun peripherique de ce type |
| 09:00.47 | peasse | for mmv : "Renaming directories can only be done with the -r switch." |
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| 09:01.02 | xand | Danielss89: man interfaces |
| 09:01.08 | valdyn | alexou: 'LC_ALL=C cat /dev/agpgart' |
| 09:01.34 | alexou | valdyn, no such device |
| 09:01.39 | Danielss89 | xand ive already added a lot of things there. gateway, adress, broadcast and all that |
| 09:01.46 | Danielss89 | but nothing shows up in my routing table |
| 09:01.52 | valdyn | alexou: mmm, you have no agpgart support... |
| 09:02.01 | valdyn | alexou: did you load the drivers for your agpgart manually? |
| 09:02.11 | valdyn | alexou: ( agpgart / intel_agp ) ? |
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| 09:02.39 | alexou | valdyn, I done ; modprobe intel_agp ? |
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| 09:02.51 | valdyn | alexou: yea, did you do that? |
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| 09:03.03 | alexou | valdyn, no i didn't |
| 09:03.19 | alexou | valdyn, no I done |
| 09:03.37 | Drgb | apt-cache search scumm |
| 09:03.39 | valdyn | alexou: reboot that box, try again that 'LC_ALL=C cat /dev/agpgart' |
| 09:03.46 | Drgb | oops, wrong text field |
| 09:03.56 | peasse | xingu : yes, the words are delimited with whitespaces |
| 09:04.04 | valdyn | alexou: *maybe* your specific agp is broken with your specific kernel, or disabled in the bios... |
| 09:04.29 | alexou | valdyn, in /etc/modules I put intel_agp |
| 09:04.41 | valdyn | alexou: oh, that's evil, remove it |
| 09:04.42 | xingu | peasse: hmm, mmv can't do the second part of your req; for that you need something trickier; I'm bored, so I'll race you. |
| 09:04.50 | HoverHell | Hi, All. |
| 09:04.50 | HoverHell | Question still the same... |
| 09:04.50 | HoverHell | How can I provide non-virtual package from package I build for dependencies? |
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| 09:05.08 | alexou | valdyn, i don't understand |
| 09:05.24 | valdyn | alexou: pci devices are automagically detected or not supported |
| 09:05.34 | valdyn | alexou: intel_agp is a pci device |
| 09:05.44 | alexou | valdyn, ok |
| 09:05.48 | valdyn | alexou: if its not loaded automagically, then manually loading does not fix anything |
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| 09:06.10 | valdyn | alexou: ( there's exceptions, but the common case is as i said.. ) |
| 09:06.12 | thor_ | what is the different between debians boot and single boot?? |
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| 09:06.58 | alexou | valdyn, I have reboot and /dev/agpgard is not here |
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| 09:07.09 | valdyn | alexou: ok. |
| 09:07.53 | valdyn | alexou: 'lspci | grep -i agp' |
| 09:07.57 | alexou | valdyn, it's strange, last week i install on this PC etch with kde and i had 3D |
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| 09:08.28 | valdyn | alexou: indeed strange. |
| 09:09.06 | Danielss89 | xand this is my routing table on the host, and i use bridged networking, so i guess i have to add the same on my guest OS... |
| 09:09.07 | Danielss89 | http://pastebin.ca/569596 |
| 09:09.17 | Alarm | does icecast has a gui or is it just console ? |
| 09:09.19 | alexou | valdyn, today i reinstall etch with xfce and 3D don't work |
| 09:09.31 | alexou | i don't understand why |
| 09:09.39 | valdyn | alexou: show the output of 'lspci | grep -i agp' |
| 09:10.06 | xand | Danielss89: uhuh |
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| 09:10.12 | alexou | lscpi : 00:01.0 bridge : Intel COproration 82875P Processor AGP Controller (rev 02) |
| 09:10.18 | Danielss89 | xand: ? :P |
| 09:10.42 | alexou | valdyn, lscpi : 00:01.0 PCI bridge : Intel COproration 82875P Processor AGP Controller (rev 02) |
| 09:11.02 | valdyn | alexou: ok, and the outpuit of : 'lspci -n | grep -v 00:01.0' |
| 09:11.48 | alexou | valdyn, there is 15 lines |
| 09:12.07 | valdyn | alexou: oh, sorry, my bad |
| 09:12.17 | valdyn | alexou: lspci -n | grep 00:01.0 |
| 09:12.21 | valdyn | alexou: the -v was wrong |
| 09:12.40 | buu | Is there anyway to get file creation date from ext3? |
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| 09:12.48 | tarzeau | buu: stat file ? |
| 09:12.59 | alexou | valdyn, 00:01.0 0604: 8086:2579 (rev 02) |
| 09:13.06 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 09:13.06 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 09:13.28 | buu | tarzeau: Just access and modify. |
| 09:13.35 | tarzeau | buu: stat gives you three times |
| 09:13.52 | valdyn | alexou: please check if this is really correct |
| 09:13.56 | tarzeau | buu: what they are is up to you to find out |
| 09:14.05 | buu | 'access, modify, change' |
| 09:14.14 | tarzeau | buu: so, the answer is no |
| 09:14.31 | tarzeau | buu: how is modify and change different? |
| 09:15.10 | xand | Danielss89: that means yes |
| 09:15.23 | alexou | valdyn, PCI ID : 80862579 | Works? - | Vendor :Intel Corporation | Device : 82875P Processor to AGP Controller | Driver : blank | Comment : blank |
| 09:15.25 | Danielss89 | hehe ok xand :D |
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| 09:15.54 | valdyn | alexou: not that, check if '00:01.0 0604: 8086:2579 (rev 02)' is really correct |
| 09:16.33 | alexou | valdyn, It's what is written on my screen |
| 09:16.58 | valdyn | alexou: if its correct, then its not supported by debians kernel |
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| 09:17.27 | alexou | valdyn, why It was supported when i install etch last week ? |
| 09:17.31 | valdyn | alexou: so im asking you to verify if this is really, character for character correct |
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| 09:18.00 | peasse | xingu, i'll keep searching for a solution, thanks btw |
| 09:18.09 | alexou | valdyn, 00:01.0 0604: 8086:2579 (rev 02) |
| 09:18.30 | Ace_NoOne | hi again - I just noticed that the text editors available to me (nano and pico) create actual newlines after col 80; how can I fix this? |
| 09:19.05 | valdyn | alexou: ok, that one is correct and supported |
| 09:19.21 | tarzeau | Ace_NoOne: just install a real editor? |
| 09:19.31 | Ace_NoOne | tarzeau: I can't :/ |
| 09:19.33 | valdyn | alexou: 'modprobe agpgart' |
| 09:19.37 | cahoot | nano -w ? |
| 09:19.37 | tarzeau | Ace_NoOne: because you're not root? |
| 09:19.43 | Ace_NoOne | tarzeau: pretty much |
| 09:19.52 | tarzeau | Ace_NoOne: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/uapt/ |
| 09:19.55 | alexou | valdyn, it's ok |
| 09:19.56 | tarzeau | Ace_NoOne: install it in your home |
| 09:19.56 | Ace_NoOne | cahoot: thanks, I'll try that |
| 09:20.08 | Ace_NoOne | tarzeau: thanks, I'll take a look |
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| 09:20.56 | valdyn | alexou: its still supported, i dont know yet what's wrong |
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| 09:22.06 | Techdeck` | anyone knows a very reliable/fast US mirror? |
| 09:22.06 | alexou | valdyn, i think i go to reinstall |
| 09:22.19 | tarzeau | Techdeck`: why would you use an us mirror if you're in .il ? |
| 09:22.23 | Techdeck` | I use ftp://debian.uchicago.edu, but it seems a little slow |
| 09:22.31 | Techdeck` | tarzeau, becasue the server itself is in the US |
| 09:22.32 | tarzeau | Techdeck`: use an official one? |
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| 09:22.41 | Techdeck` | the official ones are pounded with users |
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| 09:23.03 | tarzeau | Techdeck`: what speed do you get? and what speed do you want? |
| 09:23.14 | Techdeck` | it varies from 100k to 600k |
| 09:23.22 | Techdeck` | I need something that'll be somewhat stable and fast |
| 09:23.25 | tarzeau | Techdeck`: pounded or not, official mirrors are supposed to server that amount easily |
| 09:23.40 | tarzeau | Techdeck`: all the official mirrors are supposed to be stable and fast |
| 09:23.54 | Techdeck` | ahh, can you give me one? |
| 09:23.55 | tarzeau | Techdeck`: try another at http://www.debian.org/mirrors/official |
| 09:23.56 | Techdeck` | I'll check |
| 09:24.00 | Techdeck` | ah, thanks |
| 09:24.04 | tarzeau | Techdeck`: i only know the nl and ch ones well |
| 09:24.08 | tarzeau | Techdeck`: they're both NOT in us |
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| 09:24.55 | Danielss89 | hmm xand shouldnt the routing table be filled automaticly when ive added this in my /etc/network/interfaces and then restarts the networking? |
| 09:25.03 | Techdeck` | ping shouldn't affect speed, right? |
| 09:25.06 | Techdeck` | just reaction time.. |
| 09:25.24 | Danielss89 | xand: added this: http://potterskolen.dk/network.jpg |
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| 09:27.06 | xand | um |
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| 09:28.09 | alexou | valdyn, thanx for your help |
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| 09:29.05 | zoidy | how could I start a screen session from the command line and run a command inside it (like top) without ever attaching it? |
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| 09:30.27 | netfrog | zoidy: screen -d -m top |
| 09:30.37 | lhz | if you mount all debian isos you will run out of loop devices, what todo ? |
| 09:30.46 | zoidy | netfrog: works, thanks |
| 09:31.01 | HoverHell | lhz: add more loop devices |
| 09:31.10 | xingu | peasse: try: ls | perl -e 'for (<>) { chomp; my $src=$_; my @dst; for (split(/ /, $src)) { push(@dst, ucfirst ) } printf("%s\0%s\0", $src, join(" ", @dst)) }' | xargs -0n2 mv -f |
| 09:31.21 | xingu | rest of the channel - you may barf now. |
| 09:31.37 | HoverHell | lhz: modinfo loop |
| 09:31.49 | lhz | can you use the iso's with aptitude without mounting them ? |
| 09:32.22 | Ace_NoOne | tarzeau: I'm not sure what to do with this uapt (bit of a Linux newbie) |
| 09:32.23 | HoverHell | lhz: I would rather copy ISO contets... |
| 09:32.31 | xingu | peasse: nb that will get fooled by tab-only or newline-only delimiter; there must be at least one space char between "words". |
| 09:32.32 | tarzeau | Ace_NoOne: then forget about it |
| 09:32.38 | Ace_NoOne | O_o ok |
| 09:32.43 | netfrog | xingu: isn't 'rename' command should help with that ? |
| 09:32.56 | tarzeau | Ace_NoOne: not for http://noob.istheshit.net/ :) |
| 09:33.11 | Ace_NoOne | hehe old ;P |
| 09:33.19 | xingu | netfrog: probably, but it's perl anyway and I don't especially feel like working out its corner cases this morning |
| 09:33.23 | xingu | netfrog: feel free though |
| 09:34.04 | xingu | netfrog: SoW is CamelCase whitespace delimited directory names. |
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| 09:34.46 | netfrog | xingu: i don't know about 'rename' much so i'm not sure i can help here |
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| 09:38.01 | peasse | OMG xingu, that's working... |
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| 09:38.26 | peasse | But i don't understand a word of that command ! |
| 09:38.52 | peasse | thanks a lot |
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| 09:40.25 | liable | perl isnt meant to be understood |
| 09:40.42 | peasse | lol |
| 09:40.58 | netfrog | i'm not sure what perl meant to be at all |
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| 09:41.13 | xingu | peasse: the perl two nested loops; first iterates line by line, second word by word; inner loop uppercases first char of each word (ucfirst) and pushes to the end of a list; outer loop runs inner loop then joins the list back up with space chars; then prints original string, null, camelcase'd string, null |
| 09:41.21 | szymon_g | hi |
| 09:42.02 | xingu | peasse: that's used as a pipe; ls feeds a list of filenames into it, xargs acts on two null-delimited args at a time (-0n2) running mv -f arg1 arg2 |
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| 09:42.07 | peasse | xingu : uhhh... yes of course! |
| 09:42.10 | xingu | peasse: enjoy. :) |
| 09:42.17 | szymon_g | i've got a question: if i wanna to setup a suspend2disk/hibernate, how big swap should i have? should it be bigger then my memory's size? |
| 09:42.37 | phretor | hi there |
| 09:42.43 | szymon_g | hi |
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| 09:42.54 | cahoot | need som for grpahic mem too - I think |
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| 09:43.40 | phretor | I've found a site which talks about "sarge" in general and it is dated Jul 20th, 2005 - What was "sarge" in that period? |
| 09:44.44 | cast | phretor: wikipedia documents when each release of debian was |
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| 09:46.52 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 09:49.12 | karsten | phretor: testing. |
| 09:49.27 | karsten | cast: as does http://www.debian.org/releases |
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| 09:49.53 | ma3x | this is strange. when i have .xsession file, X quits abnormally |
| 09:50.24 | Danielss89 | is it possible to install a torrent program over SSH on debian?? i need this: http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/342 and it seems like its only available for download over torrent |
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| 09:50.27 | Zap-W | hi |
| 09:50.44 | cast | Danielss89: sure is. |
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| 09:51.10 | karsten | Danielss89: Numerous torrent programs. You're looking for one you can install via an SSH session or which tunnels over SSH? |
| 09:51.14 | lhz | Hoverhell: thanks for the loop module advice |
| 09:51.17 | karsten | !tell Danielss89 about search |
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| 09:51.40 | balzar | how can i install avisplit on debian etch ? |
| 09:51.43 | ma3x | why X quits if i have .xsession file? |
| 09:53.29 | cahoot | wouldn't that depend on what's *in* the file? |
| 09:53.34 | karsten | balzar: How were you thinking you might do it, and why wouldn't the obvious answer work? |
| 09:53.35 | peasse | xingu : i was trying this : mmv -r "?* ?* ?*" "#u1#2 #u3#4 #u5#6" -> lol, this works but just for the three first words... i would had to repeat the *? and #uX#Y a certain amount of times ! |
| 09:53.38 | ma3x | cahoot xset s off and xset -dpms |
| 09:53.40 | Zap-W | what's the point of having NFSROOT support in initrd if you can pass all options to the kernel from the bootloader? |
| 09:54.12 | ma3x | cahoot NO it does not depend on whats in the file |
| 09:54.16 | ma3x | even if the file is empty it quits |
| 09:54.23 | balzar | karsten: apt-cache search avisplit gives nothing |
| 09:54.49 | balzar | karsten: usefull |
| 09:55.15 | karsten | !tell balzar about search |
| 09:55.27 | ma3x | cahoot ?? |
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| 09:56.01 | karsten | balzar: Your first question should be "is this packaged for Debian". |
| 09:56.10 | cahoot | ma3x, surry no further ideas |
| 09:56.25 | karsten | balzar: the usual search suspects (aptitude, apt-cache, auto-apt) will answer that definitively. |
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| 09:56.59 | ma3x | cahoot where else can I put xset option? |
| 09:57.17 | bonii | I got debian-live-etch+beryl-i386-gnome-desktop.iso and i tried it and it worked fine with my hardware. |
| 09:58.16 | bonii | After installing from the cd what packages should I install to get mp3 files working. I mean what should I do right after installaton apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade?? |
| 09:58.27 | karsten | !marillat |
| 09:58.27 | dpkg | debian-multimedia is probably a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 09:58.42 | karsten | bonii: ^^ |
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| 09:59.33 | xand | you dont need that for mp3s |
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| 10:00.04 | karsten | xand: OK. |
| 10:00.18 | karsten | bonii: xmms, among other players. |
| 10:00.24 | bonii | karsten: What are the recommended packages we should get right after installation which are required. I am installing from one live cd so kindly suggest. |
| 10:00.32 | karsten | bonii: apt-cache search mp3 player |
| 10:00.39 | buu | dpkg: help |
| 10:00.48 | cast | ...ubuntu needs work to get mp3 working |
| 10:00.49 | karsten | buu: /msg the bots |
| 10:01.03 | karsten | cast: Um. /join #ubuntu |
| 10:01.13 | Danielss89 | Yes Karsten a torrent program i can install over ssh |
| 10:01.19 | karsten | Danielss89: Any of them. |
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| 10:01.39 | karsten | Danielss89: Use aptitude. You can run it within your ssh session. |
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| 10:01.49 | Danielss89 | okey.. |
| 10:01.52 | peasse | xingu : your command works, and i have another solution with rename : rename 's/(?<!\.)\b./\u$&/g' * |
| 10:02.09 | peasse | xingu : (not from me) |
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| 10:02.51 | typewriter | anyone know of any scripts/programs that will auto do `apt-get update` and shoot you an email when there is an upgrade available? |
| 10:03.14 | tarzeau | typewriter: yes there's a package, it's called... |
| 10:03.22 | tarzeau | cron-apt - automatic update of packages using apt-get |
| 10:03.34 | tarzeau | oh there's also apticron - cron-script to mail impending apt updates |
| 10:03.44 | karsten | tarzeau: Coolio. |
| 10:03.56 | typewriter | ok thanks, but none of these will actually upgrade without your permission right? |
| 10:04.02 | typewriter | i just want to be notified |
| 10:04.20 | tarzeau | typewriter: right |
| 10:04.50 | tarzeau | karsten: what's up? |
| 10:04.57 | Danielss89 | karsten ive installed azureus, but how do i start it, and add a torrent for it to download? |
| 10:05.35 | Danielss89 | theres nothing in the man... |
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| 10:05.58 | amphi | Danielss89: by typing 'azureus' in an xterm I imagine |
| 10:06.22 | typewriter | probably want to do `azureus &` |
| 10:06.22 | jungla | something about parted usage? |
| 10:06.45 | karsten | typewriter: aptitude -s dist-upgrade > /tmp/somefile; grep -q "packages will be" /tmp/somefile && mutt -s "Pending updates" your@email.address </tmp/somefile |
| 10:06.54 | karsten | Danielss89: RTFM |
| 10:06.56 | amphi | and watch all your memory disappear ;) |
| 10:07.16 | karsten | Danielss89: Then read /usr/share/doc/azureus and file a bug against a missing manpage. |
| 10:07.29 | karsten | jungla: Be careful. |
| 10:07.38 | Danielss89 | there is a manpage but it only tells what torrent is.. |
| 10:07.59 | typewriter | Danielss89: read what i and amphi wrote |
| 10:08.30 | jungla | karsten: ok... |
| 10:08.47 | Danielss89 | what is xterm amphi? |
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| 10:08.51 | karsten | !tell jungla about smart questions |
| 10:08.56 | karsten | Danielss89: man xterm |
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| 10:09.11 | amphi | http://debian.beryl-project.org/ is quite unconventional today ;) |
| 10:09.17 | jungla | wow! how can i change a partition filesystem without loosing data? |
| 10:09.20 | valdyn | Danielss89: any terminal will do, does not have to be xterm |
| 10:09.23 | jungla | may be with parted? |
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| 10:09.50 | karsten | jungla: Maybe. Maybe not. |
| 10:09.52 | valdyn | jungla: you cant |
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| 10:10.09 | Danielss89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.10 | karsten | jungla: Partition surgery w/o backups is something most people only do ... |
| 10:10.16 | karsten | jungla: ... until they lose a lot of data. |
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| 10:10.28 | karsten | jungla: Some people persist in continuing to do it after that. |
| 10:10.31 | valdyn | jungla: why would you do something like changing the fs? |
| 10:10.35 | karsten | jungla: It's really your call. |
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| 10:11.03 | jungla | beacause i'm using vfat on a partable hd |
| 10:11.27 | karsten | jungla: back up the data. Reformat it. Restore the data. |
| 10:11.32 | jungla | ok |
| 10:11.52 | jungla | but....i have really much data on that hd |
| 10:12.00 | jungla | and a very slow bus.... |
| 10:12.08 | valdyn | jungla: that's your problem, we cant do backups for you |
| 10:12.25 | jungla | eheh...not at all.... |
| 10:12.28 | jungla | ok, tnks |
| 10:12.45 | valdyn | jungla: just delete it all, if you dont have backups now, you will loose that data anyway, sooner or later |
| 10:15.05 | war | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:15.37 | anapivirtua | Hi world. |
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| 10:16.55 | karsten | !anyone |
| 10:16.55 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 10:17.59 | Danielss89 | how can i install azhtmlwebui_0.7.6.jar |
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| 10:18.39 | karsten | Danielss89: Read the instructions you received with it. |
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| 10:18.56 | Danielss89 | there is no insructions with it Karsten :( |
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| 10:19.01 | manual | Danielss89: how are you installing azureus? |
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| 10:19.10 | manual | why don't you get just `apt-get install azureus` ? |
| 10:19.16 | karsten | Danielss89: Then it is very, very important ... |
| 10:19.21 | karsten | Danielss89: ... that you _not_ read them. |
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| 10:19.36 | Laserl | hi all |
| 10:19.44 | Laserl | I have problem with fonts! |
| 10:19.46 | Danielss89 | manual ive already installed it.. but i dont know how to add a torrent |
| 10:19.53 | karsten | !tell Laserl about ask |
| 10:19.56 | manual | Danielss89: drag and drop |
| 10:20.05 | manual | drag the file onto the azureus window |
| 10:20.12 | Danielss89 | i cant manual... its over SSH |
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| 10:20.19 | Laserl | today I turn on my desktop and my fonts are bold |
| 10:20.28 | Danielss89 | ive got no GUI |
| 10:20.29 | manual | why are you using azureus then? |
| 10:20.35 | manual | use a cli torrent client |
| 10:20.41 | Danielss89 | :P |
| 10:20.49 | Laserl | when I go to preferences, I see sans regular is bold in the preview... |
| 10:20.58 | amphi | Danielss89: rtorrent works well for me, FWIW |
| 10:21.07 | manual | or i think you can just modify the folder where azureus auto loads torrents, and just shove torrents there that azureus reads |
| 10:21.21 | Laserl | how can I restore correct fonts? |
| 10:21.30 | Danielss89 | amphi over SSH? |
| 10:21.37 | karsten | Danielss89: install bittorrent |
| 10:21.52 | karsten | Laserl: What desktop? |
| 10:22.00 | manual | rtorrent is CLI |
| 10:22.06 | Laserl | karsten: Gnome |
| 10:22.07 | amphi | Danielss89: sure - it's an ncurses program; just run it in screen if you want to log out and leave it running |
| 10:22.07 | manual | and i second that, it's top notch |
| 10:22.15 | karsten | Danielss89: Look for a CLI / console client. Install it. |
| 10:22.22 | valdyn | Danielss89: 'rtorrent' is a very nice bittorrent client |
| 10:22.38 | karsten | Laserl: gnome-control-center. Double-click the fonts thingie. For more, /join #gnome. |
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| 10:22.56 | karsten | Laserl: I don't much care for gnome and don't use it if at all possible. |
| 10:23.10 | Danielss89 | okey valdyn and amphi ive installed it now.. |
| 10:23.44 | Danielss89 | amphi what do you mean by run it in screen? |
| 10:23.46 | Laserl | ok, thanks |
| 10:23.54 | manual | `screen rtorrent` |
| 10:24.11 | bolt | Where should I set NameVirtualHost on apache2 on debian? |
| 10:24.29 | bolt | Like, is there a specific file it should be in to comply with the debian standards? |
| 10:24.29 | manual | it's allows rtorrent to keep running even after you exit your terminal |
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| 10:25.03 | Danielss89 | okey so i have a torrent.. |
| 10:25.09 | Danielss89 | and then need to add it.. |
| 10:25.27 | manual | bolt: yes in one of the conf files |
| 10:25.47 | manual | was it /etc/apache2/conf-available? or something |
| 10:25.57 | bolt | manual: i currently stuffed into ports.conf |
| 10:26.13 | manual | that's definitely not where that goes |
| 10:27.04 | bolt | but it works. which is why i'm asking where it's supposed to be going. i just see from the examples on apache.org that they have Listen 80 and NameVirtualHost *:80 in the same file, and Listen 80 is in ports.conf on my box |
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| 10:27.43 | manual | bolt: it goes in the default virtual hosts file |
| 10:28.08 | manual | which i think is in /etc/apache2/conf-available |
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| 10:28.28 | bolt | I don't have that directory |
| 10:28.43 | bolt | I have a default in sites-available, though |
| 10:28.52 | manual | that's it then |
| 10:29.02 | bolt | i'll try that. thanks :) |
| 10:29.49 | bolt | well, that works too. guess i'll leave it there, then |
| 10:30.27 | thyko | when one does an apt-get upgrade the the messege "The following packages have been kept back:" pops up, what does that mean? |
| 10:31.01 | manual | !dpkg held |
| 10:31.07 | bolt | thyko: it means you have packages which for whatever reason are set to not be updated |
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| 10:32.02 | thyko | hmmm ... |
| 10:32.03 | xlotlu | can i burn a cd image to a dvd? |
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| 10:32.08 | bolt | thyko: i usually do that to packages i have had to patch and compile on my own, so they wont be replaced by the updated standard repository ones |
| 10:32.14 | debian | i want to ask why i get this and how i can resolve it :) |
| 10:32.17 | manual | bolt: that line should already be in the default file though |
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| 10:32.20 | faber4 | hi everybody |
| 10:32.28 | debian | The following packages are BROKEN: |
| 10:32.28 | debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.33 | thyko | thanks yall |
| 10:32.36 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 10:32.50 | faber4 | could anyone using qmail do a "ldd `which maildir2mbox`" for me? |
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| 10:34.05 | ma3x | how do i build package for a source tree? |
| 10:34.14 | ma3x | if the package does not exist in sources list |
| 10:34.23 | Supaplex | with a computer! |
| 10:34.30 | ma3x | im in the source tree |
| 10:34.33 | ma3x | what do i type? |
| 10:34.38 | dimir | Nikolavp: apt-get -f install |
| 10:34.42 | ma3x | apt-get build-dep of course doesnt know this source package |
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| 10:35.13 | dimir | ma3x: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 10:35.52 | ma3x | dimir, yes but it configure complains about not installed packages |
| 10:35.59 | ma3x | how do i satisfy dependencies? |
| 10:36.11 | dimir | manually. |
| 10:36.12 | ma3x | apt-get build-dep won't know this package |
| 10:36.13 | faber4 | does anyone have the "maildir2mbox" programm installed? |
| 10:36.16 | ma3x | manually? |
| 10:36.26 | Nikolavp | dimir: |
| 10:36.26 | Nikolavp | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 10:36.26 | Nikolavp | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded. |
| 10:36.33 | Fox_1_ | one question about shorewall. i have two channels(ch1 and ch2), I have two servers for each channel. primary channel is ch1. now I want that all pakets which goes to 22(ssh) port forward to ch2. how can I do that by shorewall? |
| 10:36.34 | Nikolavp | i get this but i cant do aptitude upgrade |
| 10:36.41 | Nikolavp | because those 7 packages are "kept back" |
| 10:36.48 | faber4 | can i unpack a .deb to say /tmp/testing/ ... ? |
| 10:36.48 | dimir | ma3x: unless you have crystall ball. |
| 10:37.03 | ma3x | dimir, apt-get build-dep works fine with known packages |
| 10:37.06 | dimir | Nikolavp: aptitude install them. |
| 10:37.10 | ma3x | what about sources? |
| 10:38.32 | dimir | ma3x: I don't know how build-dep exactly works, it could be reading dependencies from the source package that you're building. Maybe you didn't specify the dependencies in your package? |
| 10:39.16 | Nikolavp | dimir: :) |
| 10:39.17 | Nikolavp | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:39.17 | Nikolavp | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.18 | aptitude | Nikolavp: what are you talking about? |
| 10:39.42 | Nikolavp | i get this :) |
| 10:39.47 | Nikolavp | aptitude: what u mean? |
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| 10:41.04 | Fox_1_ | anyone |
| 10:42.12 | dimir | faber4: sane people usually go from mbox to maildir, not vice versa. :-P |
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| 10:42.27 | atula | arrg! I can't get wma to play on xmms... :( stable etch is there anotehr way? |
| 10:43.01 | dimir | atula: did you install xmms-wma |
| 10:43.02 | dimir | ? |
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| 10:44.10 | aao | sveiki |
| 10:44.12 | atula | dimir, that's only in sid, noh? |
| 10:44.26 | faber4 | dimir: i know. i want to migrate to a db based system and its importer does not work well with maildirs |
| 10:45.16 | dimir | sveiks aao |
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| 10:45.40 | dimir | atula: could be. :-) |
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| 10:45.50 | dimir | atula: did you check for it on backports? |
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| 10:45.59 | N1ckR | amule |
| 10:46.06 | N1ckR | whoopsy. |
| 10:46.09 | dimir | :-D |
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| 10:46.57 | atula | dimir, I don't really want to mess with backports yet... so there's no freakin' way to play wma files with xmms in etch? |
| 10:47.15 | cast | atula: ew @ wma. just transcode it |
| 10:47.29 | atula | cast, in noob's term? |
| 10:47.35 | cast | atula: make it .ogg. |
| 10:47.45 | atula | I'm going to give audacious a try |
| 10:48.14 | atula | converting is such an easy way out.... |
| 10:48.46 | dimir | atula: you can compile the fscker yourself. |
| 10:49.01 | atula | *sigh... still too easy.. |
| 10:49.06 | atula | I can backports... mess with stuff |
| 10:49.18 | atula | I was wondering if there's a clean way to do it... but guessnot |
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| 10:49.52 | MarcWeber | Which is the fastest way to set up a http proxy ? Using apache? |
| 10:50.21 | Techdeck` | is there a way to list packages (with dpkg -l) with their size? |
| 10:50.49 | dimir | atula: how come there be if package is not in repo yet? Get http://mcmcc.bat.ru/xmms-wma/xmms-wma-1.0.5.tar.bz2, compile and put the library to xmms dir. That shouldn't take much time. If the fscker won't compile then go to backports. |
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| 10:52.42 | Alarm | dimir, isnt the wma plugin on the stable repository ? |
| 10:52.43 | atula | dimir, okay. audacious works... no need for anything else |
| 10:53.06 | atula | audacious play wma in stable |
| 10:53.08 | Alarm | atula, audacious is slow and cant handle big playlist |
| 10:53.26 | leming | MarcWeber, squid |
| 10:53.45 | Alarm | if he doesnt have a problem that xmms that doesnt support utf, then he will be happier with xmms for a simple but fast audio player |
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| 10:54.32 | Techdeck` | what kernel image should I choose if I have a sempron? |
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| 10:54.54 | Danielss89 | amphi how do i add a torrent too rtorrent? |
| 10:54.56 | Techdeck` | 686? |
| 10:55.33 | dimir | Alarm: nope |
| 10:55.45 | Alarm | lastly bmp and audacious take ages to sort out a song from the 'jump to file' dialog box |
| 10:55.58 | Techdeck` | anyone? |
| 10:56.41 | xlotlu | any idea how i could transform the netinstall cd image to a dvd image? ... did burn it to a dvd, but it won't boot |
| 10:56.51 | Alarm | dimir, if ur list is like 2-5000 songs, it will be ok. above that, just forget it . it'll take you more time to wait the list to load, then to hear the song you want |
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| 10:57.19 | atula | xlotlu, how did you burn it? |
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| 10:57.57 | Danielss89 | valdyn how do i add a torrent to rtorrent? |
| 10:57.58 | xlotlu | atula, with the nautilus-cd-burner, k3b wouldn't butn it to the dvd alltogether |
| 10:58.15 | xlotlu | guess i should look for a command-line app |
| 10:58.27 | atula | hmmm... right click on image and burn to cd, right? |
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| 10:58.58 | xlotlu | atula: no, nautilus-cd-burner --source-iso=.... |
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| 10:59.46 | Ozux | Hi |
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| 10:59.56 | edistar | as I don't know where else to ask, how can I unpack file.7z.[001-053]? |
| 11:00.13 | edistar | 7z e file.7z.001 doesn't work.. |
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| 11:00.44 | cast_ | edistar: with p7zip |
| 11:00.51 | cast_ | wait..ignore me |
| 11:00.56 | Ozux | in Top I see Cpu(s): 21.6%us, 2.3%sy, 0.0%ni, *73.4%id*, 0.0%wa, 2.3%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st what's *id? * |
| 11:00.56 | cast_ | read the first line. |
| 11:01.11 | edistar | the first line? |
| 11:01.25 | cast_ | edistar: is it just split up with split? and you just go cat file.7z.*> file.7z |
| 11:01.37 | edistar | I'll try that |
| 11:01.38 | edistar | thanks |
| 11:02.02 | js_ | Ozux: idle maybe? |
| 11:02.03 | edistar | didn't think of that.. |
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| 11:03.06 | Fox_1_ | one question about shorewall. i have two channels(ch1 and ch2), I have two servers for each channel. primary channel is ch1. now I want that all pakets which goes to 22(ssh) port forward to ch2. how can I do that by shorewall? |
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| 11:05.12 | Raging_Hog | I installed etch when it was testing, should I correct sources.list to use stable? |
| 11:05.43 | cast_ | i'd just leave 'etch' |
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| 11:07.04 | Raging_Hog | I've got deb ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ testing main for instance |
| 11:07.29 | edistar | yes, change it to stable |
| 11:07.58 | liable | to late if you have upgraded since |
| 11:08.23 | leming | Raging_Hog, release names will eventually phase out in repositories as new releases come out, so it's best to just use the generic stable, testing, unstable names |
| 11:09.07 | Raging_Hog | haven't upgraded but I have installed some new packages |
| 11:09.10 | simonrvn | leming: and who said this? |
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| 11:09.32 | liable | he means in due course |
| 11:09.38 | leming | personal observation of the evolution of repositories |
| 11:09.41 | Danielss89 | hmm im trying to install ssh.. but it says: media changed... plz insert official debian cd 1 binaries |
| 11:09.45 | liable | which in terms of debian releases is years ;) |
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| 11:10.00 | simonrvn | so nothing official |
| 11:10.03 | cast_ | Danielss89: remove the cdrom lines from sources.list |
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| 11:10.44 | simonrvn | so nothing i should pay attention to WRT to release names ;) |
| 11:11.01 | liable | i prefer to keep the release name in sources, then it upgrades when *I* want, not when the new stable becomes stable |
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| 11:11.24 | l3on | hi all |
| 11:11.34 | leming | to each his own |
| 11:11.48 | simonrvn | it is easier to control, and there still are other toy story names left ;p |
| 11:11.56 | l3on | How can I know UUID of my partitions ? |
| 11:12.16 | leming | it's not any easier or harder either way |
| 11:12.19 | cast_ | leming: blkid |
| 11:12.29 | cast_ | l3on even |
| 11:12.32 | cast_ | leming: sorry :< |
| 11:12.40 | simonrvn | leming: no not at all. just different behaviours |
| 11:12.47 | l3on | :( |
| 11:12.52 | leming | ;) |
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| 11:13.37 | simonrvn | damn been too busy to make that invoice *sigh* |
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| 11:16.09 | spheard | how do I test udp? |
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| 11:16.50 | spheard | I mean, if ou think you have a ropey firewall or router |
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| 11:19.36 | AciD | just give your ip in a chan named #plzhackme |
| 11:19.37 | AciD | ;) |
| 11:20.34 | liable | cool, i am getting someone to fix my server through ssh from that channel :) |
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| 11:21.14 | xand | liable: I hope you gave them your root password |
| 11:21.14 | spheard | hur hur hur |
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| 11:21.48 | spheard | the network admin wont beleive that the firewalls knackered, its his little baby |
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| 11:23.42 | spheard | whats the debain ttcp? |
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| 11:25.53 | wols | what is "ttcp"? |
| 11:26.34 | edistar | test tcp benchmark.. |
| 11:26.40 | edistar | if I remember correctly? |
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| 11:27.32 | spheard | got it, iperf seems to be the weapon of choice |
| 11:29.00 | liable | yikes, thats an impressive list of kernel bugs in the lastest dsa |
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| 11:29.50 | cydork | damn my usb hdd is throwing "kernel: journal commit I/O error", did a fsck and still the problem remains. |
| 11:30.23 | logixoul | Hi. Is it normal for an idle MySQL server to take up huge amounts of memory? Like 128 MB? |
| 11:30.49 | simonrvn | if it's running with innodb yes |
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| 11:31.48 | logixoul | would you recommend that I use another (less resource hungry) storage engine for a testing server platform? |
| 11:32.04 | Danielss89 | I have a file on my pc which is 1700 mb.. what is the fastest way of getting it to my server over the internet? |
| 11:32.30 | tarzeau | Danielss89: rsync it |
| 11:32.40 | tarzeau | Danielss89: or burn it onto dvd, go to the server, read it in |
| 11:32.47 | simonrvn | for testing? stick with myisam.. but innodb is a lot more reliable |
| 11:32.51 | tarzeau | usb stick, harddisk work too |
| 11:32.58 | Danielss89 | tarzeau hehe i cant go to the server.. |
| 11:33.13 | tarzeau | then rsync over ssh is the best, if machine is slow use rsh |
| 11:33.18 | logixoul | simonrvn: ok, thanks... |
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| 11:33.32 | simonrvn | esp. with 5.x series, it's resembling an actual rdbms ;) |
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| 11:33.43 | Danielss89 | tarzeau should rsync be installed on my homepc with the file or the server? |
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| 11:33.50 | anax_go | Hello everybody |
| 11:33.54 | tarzeau | Danielss89: should be on both, yes |
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| 11:33.56 | dejx | i have configured nis server on my workstation and i have shared /home (from nis master) and i cant log in into xorg with my normal user, it works fine with root account (but root isnt a part of NIS) |
| 11:33.57 | simonrvn | kwe kwe |
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| 11:34.03 | tarzeau | Danielss89: not sure, but install it everywhere, it's good |
| 11:34.09 | Danielss89 | ok.. does it work on windows :P |
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| 11:34.37 | simonrvn | dejx: nis? why not ldap if you're going the shared user/group info? |
| 11:34.46 | simonrvn | info route* |
| 11:34.58 | anax_go | i would like to install php5-pear for egroupware. unfortunately when i "apt-get install php5-pear", apt tells me the package is referenced by another package whoch i cannot figure out. so how can i install php5-pear? |
| 11:35.12 | dejx | simonrvn dont know, our firm prefernis |
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| 11:36.40 | simonrvn | egads, personally i think that's unwise, it's insecure |
| 11:36.49 | spheard | anax_go: are you on sparc? |
| 11:36.55 | simonrvn | to each their own i suppose |
| 11:37.46 | anax_go | spheard: sparc? no "Linux gsg001 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux" |
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| 11:39.15 | spheard | anax_go: whats the exact error? I got exactly the same on my sparc when I tried to install php5 |
| 11:39.25 | spheard | I mean, I got similar |
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| 11:42.31 | liable | anax_go: what distro? thats not a debian kernel.. |
| 11:43.35 | liable | and i would suggest upgrading that kernel btw considering the list of bugs it just got reported with ;) |
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| 11:44.07 | SoulChild | Hey all ... what would you recomment for me (using linux for 10 month): debian stable or testing ? |
| 11:44.13 | anax_go | spheard: no- php5 is installed and runs just fine. I try to install egroupware. and during the installation progress of egroupware in the browser he tells me that pear is not installed |
| 11:44.15 | cast | stable. |
| 11:44.20 | SoulChild | cast why ? |
| 11:44.32 | liable | because you asked? |
| 11:44.47 | anax_go | spheard: Paket php5-pear ist nicht verfügbar, wird aber von einem anderen |
| 11:44.47 | anax_go | Paket referenziert. Das kann heißen, dass das Paket fehlt, dass es veraltet |
| 11:44.47 | anax_go | ist oder nur aus einer anderen Quelle verfügbar ist. |
| 11:44.50 | anax_go | sry |
| 11:44.56 | SoulChild | liable: hmm ,.. does that mean, if i don't know what i am doing, stable is recommened ? |
| 11:45.20 | simonrvn | yes |
| 11:45.21 | anax_go | spheard: are you a bit familiar with grman? |
| 11:45.32 | SoulChild | anax_go: i am |
| 11:45.42 | liable | SoulChild: pretty much, testing isnt a big deal, you just need to get comfortable with apt/dpkg when packages fail to install or whatever |
| 11:45.46 | SoulChild | simonrvn: hmm well what are the pros and cons of stable and testing ? |
| 11:45.47 | anax_go | SoulChild: that is good. thx. |
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| 11:46.22 | spheard | anax_go, I suggest that is a problem for the egroupware forums |
| 11:46.29 | simonrvn | i can't get into that, i'm about to leave |
| 11:46.33 | spheard | anax_go: I thought egroupware was vry poor |
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| 11:46.56 | liable | simonrvn: ?? |
| 11:47.26 | anax_go | spheard: no i dont think so - unfortunately it is a problem with the installation of the package |
| 11:47.45 | simonrvn | shawbridge mini pow-wow hehe ;) |
| 11:47.56 | anax_go | so it is in the repos, but i cannot install it, question is, how can i find out whoch packages references php5-pear? |
| 11:48.08 | anax_go | which .. sry |
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| 11:48.56 | edistar | search for php5-pear in apt-cache? |
| 11:49.05 | liable | anax_go: which debian? its on my etch box |
| 11:49.25 | anax_go | liable: mmh. i havent set that box up. but i think its a sarge |
| 11:49.40 | liable | anax_go: well, i suggest you find out |
| 11:49.59 | anax_go | edistar: i dont find anythink when i search it |
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| 11:50.46 | anax_go | liable: it is a sarge .. :) |
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| 11:52.20 | edistar | anyone know how to search in the comments of packages? apt-cache..? |
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| 11:53.32 | Techdeck` | apt-cache search . | grep 'whatever' |
| 11:53.43 | Techdeck` | but I think apt-cache does it defaultly |
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| 11:55.07 | flixil | Techdeck`: yes it does |
| 11:55.39 | edistar | doesn't find what I need |
| 11:55.41 | edistar | thanks anyway |
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| 11:56.08 | CaspeR-Bz | os |
| 11:56.10 | CaspeR-Bz | srry :) |
| 11:56.10 | flixil | well really when you do apt-cache search '^whatever' it looks for thinks that begin with ^whatever in the name or in the description but | grep '^whatever' just find something that begins with ^whatever on the description |
| 11:56.26 | flixil | (note: ^means begining of line) |
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| 12:02.22 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:02.22 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> abrotman: My mum loves me when I've got surplus cash, like most women. |
| 12:02.27 | ma3x | why the damn apt-spy segfaults? |
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| 12:04.06 | Fox_1_ | one question about shorewall. i have two channels(ch1 and ch2), I have two servers for each channel. primary channel is ch1. now I want that all pakets which goes to 22(ssh) port forward to ch2. how can I do that by shorewall? |
| 12:04.12 | krekon | what command echos apache version? I built it from source |
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| 12:04.40 | krekon | -- version option doesn't exist |
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| 12:05.07 | Danielss89 | how can i see what cd rom drives i have? |
| 12:05.35 | krekon | Danielss89 /etc/mtab |
| 12:05.45 | edistar | Danielss89: mounted? |
| 12:06.00 | ma3x | liable, whats surplus cash |
| 12:06.21 | tdn | How do I format a fat32 partition/filesystem? |
| 12:06.28 | edistar | fdisk |
| 12:06.35 | Danielss89 | hmm its via vmware, i guess ill join their channel and ask how |
| 12:06.42 | wols | tdn: like any other |
| 12:06.55 | tdn | I just made a "0B" partition on a USB flash memory stick. Should I then format it? |
| 12:07.01 | Wyzard | Danielss89: A virtual machine can't see hardware in the host |
| 12:07.12 | Wyzard | Danielss89: It just sees its own virtual CD-ROM drive |
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| 12:07.16 | tdn | wols, I do not format file systems with fdisk normally. I use mkfs for that. |
| 12:07.26 | tdn | wols, I make partitions with fdisk? |
| 12:07.31 | Danielss89 | hmm it says it can use the clients cd'rom drive Wyzard? |
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| 12:07.58 | yvhaarle | !msg dpkg ati |
| 12:08.00 | wols | Danielss89: the _client's_ cdrom |
| 12:08.10 | Danielss89 | oh.. |
| 12:08.11 | Wyzard | Danielss89: Yes, VMware implements the emulated CD drive by accessing a real one |
| 12:08.11 | wols | !tell yvhaarle about msg the bot |
| 12:08.20 | edistar | tdn: you make partitions with parted.. |
| 12:08.22 | Wyzard | Danielss89: but the software in the virtual machine can't see the real one; it sees the virtual one |
| 12:08.25 | yvhaarle | typo... |
| 12:08.47 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 12:08.56 | HardDisk_WP | can I rename a whole directory of files to their MD5 hasehse? |
| 12:09.03 | tdn | edistar, what's wrong with fdisk/cfdisk? I prefer them. Now, do I not have to format the partition before I can use it? |
| 12:09.04 | Danielss89 | ok, i have a 1700 mb iso on my own pc... do i have to transfer that to the server with the vm to mount it, or can i mount it from my pc` |
| 12:09.08 | Danielss89 | Wyzard^^ |
| 12:09.11 | HardDisk_WP | I have got a lot of mp3 files with UTF-8 charset naming |
| 12:09.20 | HardDisk_WP | and I cant export these to NTFS, but I have to.. |
| 12:09.42 | wols | tdn: of course you do |
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| 12:10.08 | Wyzard | Danielss89: The VMware Server Client can connect a local CD-ROM drive to the remote virtual machine, but I don't think it supports connecting a local ISO file... the simplest thing to do would be to burn the file to a disc |
| 12:10.19 | edistar | tdn: fdisk is perfectly alright |
| 12:10.20 | tdn | wols, yeah. *That* was what I would like to know how to do. Should I use mkfs? |
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| 12:10.33 | wols | Wyzard: I dunno about linux as a host, but under windows it can do that |
| 12:10.44 | wols | tdn: hoe else do you format? |
| 12:10.51 | Danielss89 | okey burn it, and put in it my cdrom drive and then the server can use it? |
| 12:10.59 | xRainbows | hello. ich have a AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2800+ CPU and use Etch, i recall in the past that with sarge, that my CPU wasnt used to the max as it is now when i use certain apps.... is it possible that the more i upgrade the more CPU usage there is? |
| 12:11.25 | wols | xRainbows: no |
| 12:11.33 | Wyzard | wols: It can use an .iso file on the host, but I don't think there's a way to specify an .iso file on the client -- though I could just be mis-remembering |
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| 12:11.49 | Wyzard | Danielss89: The server can use it *while you're connected* with the client software |
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| 12:12.06 | Havis | xRainbows: what apps are you using? |
| 12:12.15 | Wyzard | Danielss89: If you close your VMware Client window, it's like yanking the CD out of the drive |
| 12:12.18 | wols | Wyzard: well, you can by mounting it via loopback like any other ISO file. but why do it when vmware can mount it on the host? |
| 12:12.40 | Danielss89 | ok Wyzard.. |
| 12:12.53 | Danielss89 | i just have to transfer the files from the cd to the server... |
| 12:13.05 | Wyzard | Danielss89: Alternatively, you could upload the .iso file to the server and use VMware's iso-mount feature |
| 12:13.06 | wols | Danielss89: wat Os runs inside the vmware session? |
| 12:13.29 | xRainbows | galeon.... |
| 12:13.29 | Danielss89 | wols debian on the vm, and vista on my pc |
| 12:14.04 | Wyzard | Danielss89: You could also use something like SSH, then, to upload the files to the VM |
| 12:14.17 | Danielss89 | how can i do it with ssh? |
| 12:14.20 | edistar | scp ;) |
| 12:14.32 | edistar | putty |
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| 12:14.41 | Wyzard | Danielss89: SSH has built-in file transfer features, and your Windows SSH client should support them |
| 12:15.01 | Wyzard | Danielss89: The SSH.com client has a nice GUI FTP-like window for SFTP |
| 12:15.04 | Danielss89 | Wyzard i use putty to connect |
| 12:15.17 | edistar | Putty has scp built in |
| 12:15.17 | Wyzard | OK, you'd use psftp at a command prompt, then |
| 12:15.21 | Havis | xRainbows: well, it runs slower on etch then the distro you used before? |
| 12:15.33 | Wyzard | (I think... I don't use putty so I don't know if it has a more user-friendly method available) |
| 12:15.50 | Danielss89 | but would that take forever.. its 1700 mb... and my upload is only 256 or 512..(dont remember) :D |
| 12:16.03 | xRainbows | yes, it seems so to me |
| 12:16.21 | Wyzard | Danielss89: You're limited by your upload speed no matter what method you use |
| 12:16.27 | Danielss89 | ok.. |
| 12:16.38 | edistar | Danielss89:where is the file and where is your vmhost and your physical pc? |
| 12:16.49 | liable | winscp is easy for windows people |
| 12:16.50 | Danielss89 | hmm i guess the fastest way would be to download the torrent from my vm then |
| 12:16.58 | edistar | yes |
| 12:17.04 | Wyzard | Danielss89: yes, probably |
| 12:17.07 | edistar | if it is a torrent |
| 12:17.11 | Moncky | Ive ben trying to install a couple of games with cedega however the box always crashes and freezes. Is there a log i can look at to see what caused the crash? |
| 12:17.17 | Danielss89 | do you know how i add a torrent to rtorrent? |
| 12:17.42 | rsk | Danielss89: with backspace or rtorrent torrent.torrent |
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| 12:18.57 | Havis | xRainbows: well, I dont think it's in the cpu, Athlon XP 2800+ should be powerfull enoughf for Galeon..., what are the other specs of you computer? |
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| 12:20.01 | xRainbows | 767MB LOWMEM |
| 12:20.18 | Danielss89 | nice its downloading with 1.5 mb |
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| 12:20.33 | Havis | xRainbows: maybe you had some proprietary graphics card drivers installed in your previous distro? |
| 12:21.19 | xRainbows | i have a ATI Radeon 9550 with 256MB |
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| 12:22.58 | Havis | xRainbows: I dont have experience with ATI graphics cards, try to ask someine else here how to install proprietary drivers for you VGA |
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| 12:23.13 | xRainbows | ;D thanx |
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| 12:23.24 | Havis | xRainbows: btw, what distro did u used before etch? |
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| 12:23.50 | xRainbows | i had sarge |
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| 12:24.57 | Havis | xRainbows: btw, I'm trying galeon now and it looks to me faster than iceweasel(firefox) that I'm using ....btw I have P4 2.8GHz :) |
| 12:25.13 | xRainbows | it normally is was |
| 12:25.13 | dejx | how do i mount partittion with difrend gid?how do i mount partittion with difrend gid? |
| 12:25.39 | xRainbows | it many different Apps that act that way... |
| 12:26.04 | Wyzard | Havis: I think Galeon has been mostly superseded by Epiphany (the GNOME browser) |
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| 12:26.08 | Danielss89 | uhhm rsk how do i quit rtorrent from `screen rtorrent` mode? |
| 12:26.34 | Havis | Wyzard: so which browser do you think xRainbows should use? |
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| 12:27.14 | Havis | xRainbows: try epiphany, iceweasel(rebranded firefox)... |
| 12:27.28 | xRainbows | okidoki, thanx ;) |
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| 12:27.37 | cast | nbd-client/server are very cool. |
| 12:27.41 | Wyzard | xRainbows: It's normal for your CPU usage to spike to 100% briefly, but no web browser should keep it at 100% all the time |
| 12:27.55 | Wyzard | xRainbows: Things like embedded Flash animations on a web page can do that, though |
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| 12:28.36 | Havis | Wyzard: I thought he was maybe using proprietary ATI drivers in sarge and after he switched he has default distro drivers :) |
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| 12:29.00 | Wyzard | That's possible, but shouldn't have anything to do with browser CPU usage |
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| 12:31.55 | Havis | Wyzard: yes, but with his CPU I dont think it should be a problem... |
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| 12:33.00 | phretor | hi there |
| 12:33.16 | phretor | can't I create symlinks into /proc? |
| 12:33.35 | Wyzard | sure you can |
| 12:33.46 | AciD | I have a pb updating to xserver-xorg (1:7.2-3). apt-get just freeze during the -parametrage/configuring- phase, how can it be possible ? |
| 12:34.14 | AciD | I can t see any dialog window or stuff appearing too |
| 12:34.30 | AciD | which is what happens normally when apt freezes |
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| 12:37.24 | phretor | I need to make a symlink (or hardlink) from /proc/audit to /proc/snare - is it possible within /proc? |
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| 12:37.39 | Wyzard | phretor: No, you can't make symlinks in /proc |
| 12:38.00 | Wyzard | phretor: You can make symlinks anywhere that point into /proc, but you can't create symlinks that are *located* in /proc |
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| 12:38.32 | Havis | Wyzard: maybe it's because it's considered more stable :) |
| 12:38.33 | phretor | Wyzard: a daemon was compiled with a #define AUDITDEV /proc/snare while the new device is called /proc/audit |
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| 12:39.02 | Wyzard | phretor: Is the daemon in a package, or did you compile it yourself? |
| 12:39.13 | phretor | Wyzard: packaged |
| 12:39.23 | Wyzard | phretor: File a bug |
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| 12:39.31 | phretor | Wyzard: it's not by debian |
| 12:39.40 | Wyzard | Then report it to whoever made the package |
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| 12:43.50 | waqjan | how do I make gdm allow autologin as root? |
| 12:44.11 | liable | thats a bit silly isnt it? |
| 12:44.21 | edistar_ | yes ;) |
| 12:44.36 | edistar_ | does gdm allow root login at all? |
| 12:44.41 | dejx | how do i mount partition with diffrent gid? (nfs) |
| 12:44.42 | waqjan | not if you're running inside vmware in a nat with pc's that you control |
| 12:45.01 | cast | pffft if it was silly then why would windows users do it |
| 12:45.03 | waqjan | edistar_, you have you change a setting |
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| 12:45.10 | edistar_ | okey |
| 12:45.17 | AciD | I just dpkg-reconfigured debconf to dialog mode, but I still can t finish installing -xserver-xorg (1:7.2-3)-. Am I alone with that pb ? |
| 12:45.20 | cast | dejx: man mount and read the nfs options? |
| 12:45.20 | edistar_ | but I don't want to login as root anyway :P |
| 12:45.21 | szymon_g | hi to everyone |
| 12:45.24 | edistar_ | hey |
| 12:45.30 | Moncky | etch does not allow login as root |
| 12:45.37 | waqjan | I'm running sid |
| 12:45.57 | liable | yes, i can see sid regressing.. |
| 12:46.01 | zophy | my deb install was interrupted what do i enter at the command prompt to restart the installation ? |
| 12:46.06 | waqjan | I haven't had a virus in years of running windows, so I think I'm capable of handling root |
| 12:46.15 | edistar_ | what do you mean with deb install? |
| 12:46.27 | cast | dejx: hmm man mount isn't as useful as i was hoping, |
| 12:46.28 | xlotlu | how can i install grub with the root inside a lvm partition? grub-install /dev/sda complains that the lvm device has no corresponding bios drive |
| 12:46.29 | waqjan | zophy, dpkg --configure -a to fix things, then run the original command |
| 12:46.40 | AciD | zophy > |
| 12:46.41 | AciD | dpkg --configure -a |
| 12:46.49 | liable | zophy: you are still installing? |
| 12:46.57 | edistar_ | root inside the LVM? does that work at all? |
| 12:47.05 | zophy | waqjan, this a new dist install |
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| 12:47.11 | edistar_ | I mean booting then.. can grub mount LVM? |
| 12:47.24 | liable | as long as /boot isnt lvm, yes |
| 12:47.39 | AciD | edistar > yes, but you should have a initramfs or something like that |
| 12:47.40 | cast | liable: so would that be a no then? |
| 12:47.44 | waqjan | does the command prompt work? as in you can run commands? |
| 12:47.51 | edistar_ | ok |
| 12:47.52 | zophy | liable, it boots, but the current state of the install is unknown |
| 12:47.54 | edistar_ | thanks |
| 12:47.55 | liable | cast: yes or no |
| 12:48.15 | liable | zophy: oh, so you have actually booted into debian? |
| 12:48.31 | dejx | cast i did |
| 12:48.36 | zophy | liable, yep, but the net went down |
| 12:48.44 | dejx | but mounts told me there's no options for nfs |
| 12:48.55 | dejx | but i know somehow i could do that |
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| 12:49.12 | waqjan | zophy, run dpkg --configure -a and tell us what happen |
| 12:49.15 | zophy | i know there is a command to restart the initial installation stage |
| 12:49.30 | zophy | waqjan, okie dokie |
| 12:49.38 | liable | zophy: but do you have a working install? the net is irrelevent after booting an etch install as everything is basically done |
| 12:50.26 | zophy | waqjan, dpkg -- configure -a returns nothing |
| 12:50.33 | AciD | hum hum, I ve launched the xserver-xorg install with strace, and it stops on that line : waitpid(22951,. and pid 22951 is : /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.postinst configure 1:7.1.0-18 |
| 12:50.38 | AciD | what should I do ? |
| 12:50.53 | liable | take the blue pill |
| 12:51.06 | szymon_g | :p |
| 12:51.10 | waqjan | then it looks like you're done, unless you were installing a gui |
| 12:51.24 | wwallace | i have set the variable NETPATHS=' in updatedb.conf as you can see here http://paste.debian.net/30652 |
| 12:51.39 | wwallace | in order for updatedb to se these variables the command updaqtedb should go with any option? |
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| 12:55.08 | wizard123 | hello |
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| 12:56.04 | wizard123 | apt gives me this message: package uses Breaks, not supported by this dpkg |
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| 12:56.08 | wizard123 | what should i do ? |
| 12:56.29 | AciD | don t ask that question here, _they_ are mean ! |
| 12:56.32 | AciD | ;> |
| 12:56.52 | wizard123 | i can't reinstall dpkg, because apt-get still want's to install that broken package |
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| 12:59.17 | atula | !java |
| 12:59.17 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 12:59.44 | atula | !install java |
| 12:59.44 | dpkg | hmm... install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
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| 13:00.17 | edistar_ | what does the ! before anything mean in irc? 'not'? |
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| 13:00.58 | Ronin | edistar_: its a trigger |
| 13:01.18 | edistar_ | whats a trigger? |
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| 13:01.55 | AciD | atula > use /msg dpkg |
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| 13:02.22 | flixil | It's like when you say... Hello my girlfriend... Do you wanna fuck today, and discover that you were talking thru gaim to her mother... That's a trigger, something that changes a state and then provocates a reaction |
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| 13:02.44 | taime1 | how do i run vnc in 8bit mode? |
| 13:03.15 | edistar_ | hehe, ok ;) |
| 13:03.39 | Ronin | edistar_: just what it sounds like, it triggers a response from someone or in this case dpkg |
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| 13:03.56 | Ronin | heh flixil |
| 13:04.04 | HardDisk_WP | how do I mount a EXT3 filesystem with UTF8 charset? |
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| 13:04.25 | Danielss89 | how do i change the password of my root user? |
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| 13:04.53 | flami | Danielss89, login to root , type passwd |
| 13:05.10 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 13:05.18 | TrueDD | ah all |
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| 13:07.22 | eshaase | i'm looking for a lightweight bittorrent client that provides more statistics than the original bittorrent client (something similiar to utorrent on windows), anyone have any suggestions? |
| 13:07.50 | Scurz | Hmm, i have a big problem, i can connect me on the server ftp with yafc and with Konqueror, but it's not possible with gftp or with filezilla, nothing in the logs... |
| 13:08.01 | Danielss89 | what about the hostname of my server then flami? |
| 13:08.33 | Scurz | ideas ? |
| 13:08.52 | liable | !hostname |
| 13:08.52 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
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| 13:09.04 | Scurz | liable: it's for me ? |
| 13:09.10 | flixil | eshaase: how is utorrent? there is rtorrent for console if you want |
| 13:10.38 | eshaase | flixil: ok, thanks |
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| 13:12.12 | taime1 | anyone know how to run vnc in 8bit mode? |
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| 13:13.38 | krekon | is it dangerous if my hard's drive temperature is 50 degrees C |
| 13:13.42 | HardDisk_WP | how do I mount a EXT3 filesystem with UTF8 charset? |
| 13:14.14 | HardDisk_WP | krekon, not dangerous, but strange. you should check if all fans work as they should |
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| 13:15.18 | krekon | HardDisk_WP at winter is at 30-35 but in summer comes up to 50 |
| 13:15.35 | krekon | I don't have fan for hard disks |
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| 13:15.52 | HardDisk_WP | krekon, does your PC stand directy in sun light? |
| 13:15.57 | krekon | no |
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| 13:16.49 | Absolute0 | is 'apt-get install gnome' what i need to run to install gnome on a base system? |
| 13:16.57 | Absolute0 | its over 200 megs... |
| 13:17.44 | Absolute0 | and where is pidgin? |
| 13:17.50 | Absolute0 | gaim is old |
| 13:18.29 | cast | gnome, xorg |
| 13:18.35 | leming | Absolute0, it's available in testing and unstable |
| 13:18.35 | krekon | HardDisk_WP would be better if I open the one side of my computer? |
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| 13:19.29 | N1ckR | /dev/hda2: 1002/9820800 files (7.0% non-contiguous), 4489748/19631430 blocks |
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| 13:19.30 | HardDisk_WP | krekon, nope as this completely destroys the air flow |
| 13:19.43 | HardDisk_WP | krekon, just try to avoid your room gets hot |
| 13:19.46 | Absolute0 | is it a bad idea to install things from testing/unstable? |
| 13:19.56 | leming | no |
| 13:19.59 | Absolute0 | k |
| 13:20.01 | Absolute0 | thanks |
| 13:20.04 | HardDisk_WP | so open the window that hot air can flow out through the windows |
| 13:20.12 | krekon | HardDisk_WP up to what degrees is dangerous? |
| 13:20.19 | leming | but it is all really personal preference on how you set up your system, and which branch to use |
| 13:20.26 | HardDisk_WP | 55 or higher I would see dangerous |
| 13:20.46 | waqjan | Absolute0, try installing gnome-desktop-environment (smaller) or gnome-core (smallest) |
| 13:20.50 | krekon | HardDisk_WP thanks a lot |
| 13:21.02 | HardDisk_WP | krekon, p |
| 13:21.05 | HardDisk_WP | eh np |
| 13:21.24 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 13:21.33 | Absolute0 | waqjan: what does gnome install? |
| 13:21.36 | Absolute0 | all the frills? |
| 13:21.45 | waqjan | pretty much |
| 13:21.57 | Absolute0 | half of which i dont need? :-P |
| 13:21.59 | N1ckR | Ambient nonoperating temperature (max), 70 degrees C - for my diamondmaxes |
| 13:22.02 | vin` | Absolute0: /msg dpkg install gnome |
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| 13:22.13 | waqjan | perhaps, Absolute0 |
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| 13:24.08 | zaggynl | Hi, does anyone knows a good clientside tool to limit bandwidth per application? trickle does the job, but at extremely high cpu usage |
| 13:24.14 | wwallace | i have set the variable NETPATHS=' in updatedb.conf as you can see here http://paste.debian.net/30652 |
| 13:24.31 | wwallace | in order for updatedb to use these variables the command updatedb should go with any option? |
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| 13:25.16 | N1ckR | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:25.39 | leming | zaggynl, trickle is probably the best, try changing around options to see if one is perhaps causing higher usage |
| 13:25.55 | N1ckR | So I my theory of touchable was not bad :) |
| 13:25.57 | zaggynl | I have tried fiddling with it's options, yet was unsuccesful |
| 13:26.29 | flixil | mv: no s�ha pogut moure «wmii-3.5.1» a «wmii-3.5.1-flixil»: S'ha denegat el permÃs |
| 13:26.29 | flixil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.45 | flixil | ups sorry... wrong channel |
| 13:27.05 | flixil | Or at least wrong language :) |
| 13:27.49 | Absolute0 | how do i reset the terminal driver? |
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| 13:33.56 | Absolute0 | what repo do i need to enable to install nvidia drivers? |
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| 13:34.04 | Absolute0 | Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 |
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| 13:34.36 | chinikum | : |
| 13:34.36 | chinikum | any indian onchat |
| 13:34.45 | chinikum | 9; |
| 13:35.28 | cast | Absolute0: normal ones, prob just need non-free in sources.list |
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| 13:37.38 | Absolute0 | cast can you please paste the line that adds non-free to source.list? |
| 13:37.56 | liable | Absolute0: c'mon dude, it aint that hard |
| 13:38.03 | Absolute0 | ok |
| 13:38.12 | Absolute0 | i just concat non-free to each line |
| 13:38.14 | Absolute0 | sorry |
| 13:38.15 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 13:38.51 | liable | add contrib while your at it |
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| 13:40.14 | Absolute0 | its still not working.. |
| 13:40.27 | Absolute0 | let me install gnome and then i'll worry about nvidia.. |
| 13:40.28 | onikazi | Guerin, I installed Debian on the 320GB HD with the ext3 FS and Grub as the b/l. Everything went well except I can't mount the XP NTFS or the Xandros Reiserfs partitions. Also all OSes show up in the Grub menu, but I can only boot Debian and XP. |
| 13:41.07 | Absolute0 | onikazi: edit menu.lst |
| 13:41.12 | Absolute0 | in your grub dir |
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| 13:43.49 | Havis | onikazi: to mount ntfs use ntfs-3g ( aptitude install ntfs-3g) |
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| 13:46.17 | Absolute0 | ntfs stinks |
| 13:46.18 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 13:46.29 | wwallace | i have set the variable NETPATHS=' in updatedb.conf as you can see here http://paste.debian.net/30652 |
| 13:46.31 | wwallace | in order for updatedb to use these variables the command updatedb should go with any option? |
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| 13:46.50 | schultzconsult | Hi... |
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| 13:47.32 | schultzconsult | Anyone good at using debian as a router? |
| 13:47.33 | Havis | Absolute0: y ^^ |
| 13:48.04 | schultzconsult | I'm stuck with a routing problem can't seem to get it to work |
| 13:48.59 | bmc | we need a flame wars channel |
| 13:49.00 | bmc | im bored |
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| 13:49.36 | Absolute0 | Havis: anything created by microsoft usually stinks |
| 13:50.03 | Absolute0 | Havis: for example ntfs needs to be defragmented every other boot |
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| 13:50.15 | Absolute0 | linux partitions to that automatically |
| 13:50.32 | Absolute0 | *do |
| 13:50.36 | Havis | Absolute0: :D:D well I use jfs etx and xfs so it's not my problem -.- |
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| 13:51.00 | Absolute0 | oh well |
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| 13:51.13 | Havis | Absolute0: ;-) |
| 13:51.23 | Havis | Absolute0: what do you use? |
| 13:51.31 | nwonknu- | not sure |
| 13:51.33 | Absolute0 | ext3 |
| 13:51.46 | Havis | Absolute0: I use it for my home partition :) |
| 13:51.54 | Absolute0 | i had archlinux before this morning |
| 13:51.57 | Absolute0 | and i liked it |
| 13:52.06 | Absolute0 | thought i'd try debian for a change.. |
| 13:52.09 | Absolute0 | seems more stable |
| 13:52.10 | N1ckR | Yeh, I had a play with archlinux, is a neat distro. |
| 13:52.23 | Havis | Absolute0: seems more stable than stable debian? :P |
| 13:52.24 | Absolute0 | yup |
| 13:52.31 | Absolute0 | latest pkgs all the time |
| 13:52.38 | Absolute0 | and its optimized as well |
| 13:52.42 | Absolute0 | so thats cool |
| 13:52.53 | Absolute0 | but who needs that when things get buggy |
| 13:53.01 | Havis | I used gentoo before so dont tell me about optimizations -.- |
| 13:53.04 | N1ckR | only downer for me was the lack of planned upgrade path. eg you have to keep upto date or risk getting burned. |
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| 13:53.12 | Absolute0 | stability is more important than bleeding edge |
| 13:53.31 | Havis | thats why I got apt-get into it -.- |
| 13:54.04 | Absolute0 | i am gonna go check out the beach |
| 13:54.09 | Absolute0 | its seems nice outside today |
| 13:54.15 | Absolute0 | maybe pics up a lady |
| 13:54.16 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 13:54.29 | onikazi | I'm still learning my way around Linux, so please be patient. I don't know what I need to edit in Grub to make xandros boot. |
| 13:54.31 | Absolute0 | *pick |
| 13:55.01 | N1ckR | LOL pics up a lady - porn shoot ? |
| 13:55.16 | Havis | Absolute0: damn, u have a IP webcam on a beach? or? :D |
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| 13:55.22 | Absolute0 | onikazi: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:55.34 | flixil | porn-get install boobs |
| 13:55.37 | Absolute0 | it was a goddamned type |
| 13:55.43 | Absolute0 | flixil: :-P |
| 13:55.49 | Absolute0 | *TYPO |
| 13:55.57 | onikazi | I have it open, I just don't know what needs changed |
| 13:56.02 | chinikum | HI |
| 13:56.06 | Absolute0 | ext3 seems to be most stable |
| 13:56.07 | xand | N1ckR: ext3 |
| 13:56.10 | Absolute0 | at the moment |
| 13:56.19 | Absolute0 | and its obsolete |
| 13:56.21 | Absolute0 | i believe.. |
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| 13:56.56 | Havis | Absolute0: I wonder which one is best fs atm, I thought raiser4 :P |
| 13:57.15 | Absolute0 | nah ext3 is better |
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| 13:57.33 | Absolute0 | i think the creator of reiserfs killed his wife or something like that... |
| 13:57.34 | Absolute0 | :-P |
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| 13:57.50 | Absolute0 | ok beach time! |
| 13:57.53 | Absolute0 | bye all |
| 13:57.55 | N1ckR | damn, working on rasier4 that depressing ? |
| 13:57.55 | Absolute0 | :-P |
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| 13:58.22 | Havis | is it reiser4? or razor4? |
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| 13:59.42 | N1ckR | Havis: Reiser4 |
| 14:00.22 | Havis | N1ckR: y thx :) |
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| 14:00.29 | flami | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser ther you go |
| 14:00.43 | Gigantic | it's stab4 |
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| 14:05.01 | wwallace | enouf, wtf? |
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| 14:05.26 | ness | hi, I want to use the serial port(s) of my machine, but in /dev there's only /dev/ttyS0, which is the xen console. How can I make my (two) serial ports appear? |
| 14:05.49 | spheard | anyone used splunk? |
| 14:05.55 | Gigantic | mknoding |
| 14:06.06 | wwallace | enouf, come back |
| 14:06.14 | wwallace | no need to get agravated |
| 14:07.06 | nivanson | After using flashplayer (non-free) my /dev/dsp is "busy" and I need to restart my computer before I can use any sound again. Can I restart /dev/dsp instead? Like dropping whatever is making it busy? |
| 14:07.31 | Gigantic | nivanson: Use ALSA |
| 14:07.47 | Gigantic | nivanson: Noone should use OSS anymore |
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| 14:07.54 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any good notification application ? like task notification with time based |
| 14:08.10 | nivanson | Gigantic: It is not me. It is flashplayer that locks dev dsp. Can I switch it to use alsa? |
| 14:08.29 | Gigantic | nivanson: There's libaoss to simulate OSS |
| 14:08.36 | mrsn0 | anyone watching debconf ? :) |
| 14:08.47 | Gigantic | nivanson: And Flash could not freeze anything if you'd use ALSA |
| 14:08.50 | N1ckR | watching - where ? |
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| 14:09.42 | tomeff | hello |
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| 14:10.14 | nivanson | Gigantic: So how can I make flash use ALSA? |
| 14:10.16 | Gigantic | that was freaking weird |
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| 14:11.19 | Gigantic | nivanson: Not only flash, but the whole system, every app that uses sound should use ALSA, libaoss OpenAL or Jack |
| 14:11.34 | Gigantic | nivanson: just apt-get install alsa libaoss |
| 14:11.57 | Gigantic | and in KDE go to control panel to make ARTS to use ALSA |
| 14:12.03 | magnet | ALSA is the default for Flash9 |
| 14:12.08 | Gigantic | in Gnome dunno |
| 14:12.33 | N1ckR | is xchat-gnome anygood ? |
| 14:12.43 | magnet | nope |
| 14:12.46 | nivanson | Gigantic: ALSA is installed already, no such package as libass (but there is alsa-oss which I have installed already) |
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| 14:13.01 | Gigantic | magnet: But seems it depends on what the environment defaults to |
| 14:13.14 | magnet | Gigantic: I don't think so. |
| 14:13.18 | Gigantic | libass? |
| 14:13.43 | nivanson | Gigantic: nope |
| 14:14.17 | Gigantic | nivanson: forget it... Are you on Gnome? |
| 14:15.16 | nivanson | Gigantic: Yeah, but GNOME sound keeps on working fine even after /dev/dsp becomes busy, it's the applications that talk to /dev/dsp directly that screw up (like stepmania (the game) and flash player) |
| 14:15.34 | magnet | nivanson: upgrade flash |
| 14:15.43 | mrsn0 | N1ckR https://debconf7.debconf.org/wiki/DebianDay |
| 14:15.48 | magnet | and prepend aoss to programs that still use OSS (may not work for them all) |
| 14:15.49 | mrsn0 | stream (ogg) is linked |
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| 14:16.25 | nivanson | magnet: I have latest flashplayer-nonfree (sid) |
| 14:16.35 | magnet | nivanson: don't use the debian package |
| 14:16.36 | N1ckR | cheers mrsn0 |
| 14:16.40 | magnet | it's flash7 |
| 14:16.42 | magnet | get flash9 |
| 14:16.44 | Gigantic | I am not flamming Gnome, and the thing I try to find out is why alsa is made that way, it is not flash |
| 14:16.56 | nivanson | magnet: I'll try official then, thanks |
| 14:17.11 | magnet | gotta go, bbl |
| 14:17.16 | mrsn0 | your welcome N1ckR |
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| 14:17.22 | enouf | %fist wwallace |
| 14:17.45 | N1ckR | Totem Xine wont even load on my machine, but the other Totem works a treat |
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| 14:18.04 | scrillaz | can't get flash to play in debian lenny |
| 14:18.25 | scrillaz | althoughi installed flash 9 |
| 14:18.39 | nivanson | magnet: Btw, flashplugin-nonfree in sid IS flash 9 ( installation uses http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz ) |
| 14:18.56 | scrillaz | yea i did that using apt |
| 14:19.12 | scrillaz | but yahoo movie page still messing up |
| 14:20.42 | scrillaz | hehehe |
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| 14:23.00 | nivanson | If I want to manually restart /dev/dsp (or whatever it takes to remove "busy" status on it) how can I do that? |
| 14:23.26 | Gigantic | you need to kill the app using it |
| 14:24.15 | Ankman | lsof /dev/dsp might tell you which one |
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| 14:26.14 | lvh | hi |
| 14:26.24 | Gigantic | nivanson: is it Firefox? |
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| 14:26.48 | nivanson | Gigantic: Epiphany. It does not help to shut down it, and I cannot find any flash player processes. |
| 14:26.57 | d3lusiv3 | greets all |
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| 14:27.29 | nivanson | Ankman: Was not able to find anything using /dev/dsp or /dev/snd/* except beep-media-player (using ALSA on it) |
| 14:27.29 | lvh | nivanson: you never see the flash player process if it's playing as an embedded object in a webpage |
| 14:27.33 | lvh | nivanson: not in most browsers anyway |
| 14:27.48 | Gigantic | nivanson: Try this: LD_PRELOAD=libaoss.so exec /usr/path/to/epiphany |
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| 14:28.22 | lvh | why doesn't epiphany do alsa? (or why dont we want that) |
| 14:28.23 | Gigantic | nivanson: oops: LD_PRELOAD=libaoss.so exec /usr/path/to/epiphany "$@" |
| 14:29.01 | Gigantic | lvh: No, we don't want that |
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| 14:29.17 | lvh | Gigantic: why? |
| 14:29.28 | nivanson | lvh: Hmm, well it isn't epiphany screwining it up, it is flash... Or do flash talk to the sound device THROUGH epiphany? *_^ |
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| 14:29.50 | lvh | ouch |
| 14:29.57 | lvh | Gigantic: what did i do to deserve that? |
| 14:30.00 | Gigantic | nivanson: did you try it? |
| 14:30.15 | nivanson | Gigantic: Yeah, no change to dev dsp status |
| 14:30.22 | Gigantic | ah, ok |
| 14:30.41 | Gigantic | lvh: doubth on me |
| 14:30.53 | nunu | why is it that I can't compile my nvidia driver for the new kernel in unstable ? |
| 14:31.01 | lvh | Gigantic: I dropped in on the middle of the conversation |
| 14:31.15 | lvh | nunu: because nvidia drivers lag behind kernel development |
| 14:31.40 | lvh | Gigantic: jackd works on alsa, no? |
| 14:31.50 | lvh | Gigantic: if not, i've secretly not been running jack |
| 14:31.51 | Gigantic | sure it does! |
| 14:32.01 | nivanson | Gigantic: I thought most applications using Jack stopped using it now :P |
| 14:32.10 | lvh | nah, jack is nice. |
| 14:32.26 | N1ckR | LOL @ cheezy debconf intermission music |
| 14:32.27 | Gigantic | Every good studio has Jack |
| 14:32.30 | nunu | jack iss really really REALLY nice ^^ |
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| 14:32.59 | nunu | but for me it was a long way to a correct install -.- |
| 14:33.02 | Gigantic | nivanson: Don't get me wrong but can you try with another browser? |
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| 14:33.13 | ChibaPet | Hey, all. Anyone know, offhand, why linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64 seems not to be available to me? apt-cache search doesn't find it |
| 14:33.23 | ChibaPet | and yet, packages.debian.org sees it |
| 14:33.26 | ChibaPet | for etch |
| 14:33.30 | nivanson | Gigantic: Yeah, just have to reboot my computer first to unlock /dev/dsp since I dont know how to do it manually |
| 14:33.31 | Gigantic | nivanson: so we can discard the browser |
| 14:33.31 | lvh | ChibaPet: did an update? |
| 14:33.39 | ChibaPet | My sources are fresh, yeah. |
| 14:33.42 | nivanson | Gigantic: And install another browser :P (but that's no problem) |
| 14:34.01 | lvh | ChibaPet: do you have _any_ xen sources? |
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| 14:34.03 | h3sp4wn | For its intended use jackd its very good - not worth it for just desktop use (and for music at least on ice17* the commercial oss drivers sound alot better than alsa) |
| 14:34.05 | Gigantic | nivanson: Yo can't know if you have not tried |
| 14:34.13 | ChibaPet | I want to buy and build an Intel Core 2 Duo Xen box today, but not having the requisite packages available is a blocker. |
| 14:34.17 | lvh | ChibaPet: errr, i mean xen kernels |
| 14:34.23 | ChibaPet | I see Xen stuff, yes... Just not that one. |
| 14:34.26 | ChibaPet | Lemme see... |
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| 14:35.06 | Gigantic | nivanson: Opera forexample does not get sound in flash |
| 14:35.15 | ChibaPet | linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686 appears to be it. |
| 14:35.16 | Gigantic | nivanson: But Konqui and Firefox do |
| 14:35.20 | lvh | ChibaPet: aha |
| 14:35.24 | Gigantic | nivanson: ah, Netscape either |
| 14:35.39 | ChibaPet | Is it limiting what I see based on current architecture??? |
| 14:35.48 | nivanson | Gigantic: I see! That's interesting. Do the plugin communicate with the hardware through the browser? :O |
| 14:35.48 | Gigantic | not here at least |
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| 14:35.58 | lvh | ChibaPet: well, that kernel is only availible to amd64 archs for obvious reasons |
| 14:36.05 | ChibaPet | Well. Right. |
| 14:36.17 | ChibaPet | So, I'll start to see it when I am running from the arch in question, then? |
| 14:36.22 | lvh | ChibaPet: what arch are you running? |
| 14:36.23 | Gigantic | nivanson: I dunno, I've been trying to find the reason |
| 14:36.24 | lvh | ChibaPet: yes. |
| 14:36.44 | ChibaPet | Ah. Weird. I was thrown off by being able to see other amd64 packages. Heh. |
| 14:37.01 | ChibaPet | So, here's where I throw my credibility away: |
| 14:37.07 | Gigantic | nivanson: I can only guess that the parameters of the environment affec the way flash work |
| 14:37.11 | lvh | ChibaPet: you had none, dont worry |
| 14:37.21 | nivanson | Gigantic: Probably. |
| 14:37.50 | Gigantic | nivanson: 'cause flashplayer library is finally an app ran by another app, flash has to read config from somewhere |
| 14:37.53 | ustunozgur | Gigantic: opera does get sound in flash. do you mean microphone input, I didn't understand |
| 14:37.58 | ChibaPet | Anyone know of any issues with running nVidia proprietary graphics drivers with the AMD64 Xen kernel (domain0) to drive World of Warcraft under WINE? :P |
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| 14:38.11 | lvh | ChibaPet: it hurts my eyes |
| 14:38.29 | Gigantic | ustunozgur: output, but just here, I've got it before and in another systems |
| 14:38.33 | ChibaPet | Indeed. But other than that. :) |
| 14:38.34 | nivanson | Gigantic: yeah, and no such information is in ~/.mozilla/pluginreg.dat |
| 14:38.38 | h3sp4wn | ChibaPet: You need a patch to get them to cooporate for the most time |
| 14:38.39 | lvh | ChibaPet: well, running a win32 wine app on native amd64 is going to be fun to try |
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| 14:38.50 | ChibaPet | Yeah, that's the part I was wondering about. |
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| 14:39.05 | lvh | ChibaPet: you will probably need a 32 bit userspace tucked away somewhere for wine to play with |
| 14:39.09 | ChibaPet | I'm wondering what kernel I *should* run for best effect. |
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| 14:39.15 | Gigantic | ChibaPet: :| |
| 14:39.17 | h3sp4wn | ChibaPet: the wine (at least in sid) is a 32bit version compiled against ai32-libs |
| 14:39.33 | lvh | ChibaPet: just like you once needed a 32 bit userspace tucked away somewhere to play wmv |
| 14:39.37 | Gigantic | ChibaPet: isn't hte xen kernel over a vmware too? |
| 14:39.40 | ChibaPet | This'll be Etch. |
| 14:39.55 | lvh | ChibaPet: the kernel you *should* run if thats all you want to accomplish is i386, no doubt |
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| 14:40.02 | ChibaPet | Hadn't thought about VMware... Don't want to run more than I need to for Windows. |
| 14:40.03 | lvh | ChibaPet: well, i686. |
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| 14:40.23 | lvh | ChibaPet: unless you have an uberbox vmware is too slow for wow imho |
| 14:40.26 | ustunozgur | Gigantic: flash is not officially supported, though it works; maybe you have more than one flash recognized by opera. see opera:plugins to see which library it uses. |
| 14:40.41 | ChibaPet | I'll run i686, then. |
| 14:40.44 | h3sp4wn | ChibaPet: Most of the patches for the nvidia drivers are against 2.6.16 or fedora kernels |
| 14:40.54 | lvh | ChibaPet: thats what i'd do |
| 14:40.54 | ChibaPet | hm |
| 14:41.13 | lvh | ChibaPet: wow is overrated anyway |
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| 14:41.29 | ChibaPet | Do I need patches for nVidia drivers? I was thinking of running their blob directly. |
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| 14:41.44 | Gigantic | ustunozgur: I care not much about it, but I have just one libflashplayer.so |
| 14:41.44 | lvh | ChibaPet: (i have gotten a warr, hunter, priest, mage and druid to 70, raided up to kael'thas and naxx pre-tbc) |
| 14:41.53 | lvh | ChibaPet: its overrated :p |
| 14:41.56 | h3sp4wn | ChibaPet: The kernel module for the most part won't build with a xen kernel# |
| 14:42.01 | ChibaPet | I'm running WoW now on my MacBook, and it heats it up to about 180 degrees (or a little more). |
| 14:42.16 | lvh | ChibaPet: while you melt faces in pvp it melts holes in your tale |
| 14:42.16 | ChibaPet | OpenGL driving both cores hard generates frightening heat. |
| 14:42.17 | Gigantic | ustunozgur: I made no question tho |
| 14:42.20 | lvh | ChibaPet: tale even :P |
| 14:42.32 | lvh | ChibaPet: wtf my b is broken |
| 14:42.43 | lvh | ChibaPet: the thing you place your laptop on ;p |
| 14:42.51 | ChibaPet | heh, yes |
| 14:42.51 | ustunozgur | Gigantic: ok, I was away, so didn't read the whole discussion :) |
| 14:43.09 | lvh | i swear, macbooks are like the ultimate contraceptive |
| 14:43.09 | ChibaPet | (level 42 NE hunter is my main now) |
| 14:43.15 | ChibaPet | heh!! |
| 14:43.15 | lvh | ChibaPet: ewwwww. |
| 14:43.22 | ChibaPet | Well. I'm new. |
| 14:43.30 | lvh | ChibaPet: tauren warr, tauren hunter, tauren druid |
| 14:43.35 | ChibaPet | I stick to a single weapon. :P |
| 14:43.47 | ChibaPet | I have a Tauren hunter as well. And I've started a NE druid. |
| 14:43.49 | lvh | ChibaPet: ud priest+mage |
| 14:43.59 | ChibaPet | Hm. |
| 14:44.12 | ChibaPet | So, what needs to build for me to use the nVidia kernel driver blob? |
| 14:44.28 | lvh | ChibaPet: use a kernel from stable and you should be fine |
| 14:44.51 | ChibaPet | My ultimate goal would be running X and WoW-under-WINE in domain0 and then random domainX stuff for random utility functions. Web service and the like. |
| 14:45.07 | ChibaPet | heh |
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| 14:45.17 | scrillaz | flash works good in epiphany |
| 14:45.22 | ChibaPet | What will 2.6.21 give me that ...2.6.18? won't? |
| 14:45.36 | Gigantic | scrillaz: works in your Epiphany |
| 14:45.37 | N1ckR | 0.0.3 |
| 14:45.54 | Gigantic | scrillaz: Opera works at work too, but not at home |
| 14:46.01 | scrillaz | ya it does |
| 14:46.06 | scrillaz | k |
| 14:46.20 | h3sp4wn | Gigantic: And what xen patches would you use ? |
| 14:46.21 | ChibaPet | So, do any of you closet WoW people play under WINE? |
| 14:46.22 | lvh | ChibaPet: you may have heard about me |
| 14:46.25 | lvh | ChibaPet: im pat. |
| 14:46.37 | Gigantic | ah yah... xen... |
| 14:46.40 | ChibaPet | Pat, the genderless being from Saturday Night Live? |
| 14:47.01 | lvh | ChibaPet: no, pat the tauren warrior that got to hwl at 60 |
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| 14:47.17 | ChibaPet | hm |
| 14:47.24 | Gigantic | : |
| 14:47.47 | lvh | ChibaPet: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7797779743245300943&q=warrior+pvp+world+of+warcraft+tauren&total=89&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2 |
| 14:48.11 | lvh | ChibaPet: that was a good year and a half something ago |
| 14:48.13 | ChibaPet | Looking at it on YouTube now |
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| 14:48.25 | ChibaPet | What platform were you running? |
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| 14:48.58 | killaz | hi #debian. |
| 14:48.58 | ChibaPet | Nice video, BTW! |
| 14:49.11 | lvh | ChibaPet: i was running debian ofc |
| 14:49.12 | ChibaPet | Hey, Killaz. |
| 14:49.17 | lvh | ChibaPet: x86. |
| 14:49.19 | ChibaPet | That is truly encouraging. |
| 14:49.34 | lvh | ChibaPet: with Cedega from CVS, because wine was unable to run wow then |
| 14:49.36 | ChibaPet | Now, this is cheesy, but I could take another box for Xen and use this new build for WoW... |
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| 14:50.30 | lvh | ChibaPet: i've stopped playing, by the way |
| 14:50.34 | ChibaPet | Got my girlfriend into WoW, and we got her a cheesy Vista box to run it, and with a middling graphics card, her graphics are still hugely gorgeous compared to what my MacBook eeks out. |
| 14:50.37 | h3sp4wn | ChibaPet: What do you actually want xen for ? |
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| 14:50.48 | lvh | ChibaPet: right after getting my entire arena gear set. |
| 14:51.00 | killaz | I want to insall debian on a PC I want to use as a PVR. I want to install the minimum to make it work, because I want to use as much space as possible on my 20Gb and 30Gb HD. I think debian is a good OS for this... |
| 14:51.07 | ChibaPet | Testbed for work. I want work to move to using Xen instances for our servers, instead of physical boxes. |
| 14:51.11 | killaz | But now I'm wondering which version of debian to use... |
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| 14:51.57 | killaz | Because I know of a "bug" with the nvidia drivers or vice versa which makes TV output not possible... |
| 14:51.59 | ChibaPet | lvh, you've quite playing for now, sure :P |
| 14:52.00 | nunu | i was just looking for a new nvidia driver and on the nvidia site is also an nforce driver .... i got an asus M2N-SLI Deluxe board with nforce 570 .. would you guys say i should try that driver ? what positive effects would I get ? will my sound be better or so ? |
| 14:52.04 | killaz | an int10 errror.... |
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| 14:52.24 | spheard | ChibaPet: openVZ is a lot better for a linux only solution |
| 14:52.26 | ChibaPet | nunu - do you need nforce drivers? Thought that was all built in now. |
| 14:52.48 | nunu | don't ask me ^^ |
| 14:52.51 | ChibaPet | heh |
| 14:53.01 | h3sp4wn | nunu: Don't get the driver (its unmaintained) |
| 14:53.10 | killaz | am I correct and for which version of Debian this is not a problem |
| 14:53.13 | ChibaPet | You need to jump through hoops for graphics, but nforce usually refers to sound and network and stuff. |
| 14:53.14 | nunu | mh |
| 14:53.22 | ChibaPet | killaz - unsure |
| 14:53.40 | ChibaPet | And nforce support is generally built in, recently. |
| 14:53.49 | nunu | my sound is noit really good .. thats why i thought maybe it could get better with that driver ? |
| 14:53.55 | h3sp4wn | nunu: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=73925 |
| 14:54.22 | ChibaPet | taking off - thanks for the advice, all! |
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| 14:54.42 | killaz | ChibaPet: too bad... because I'm used to Ubuntu, but it comes with too much. The latest Ubuntu was a disaster with the nvidia drivers. But now I want to use debian, but not a version with this bug.. |
| 14:54.43 | ChibaPet | I'll come back and report if I find anything interesting. |
| 14:54.54 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 14:55.08 | ChibaPet | hm |
| 14:55.15 | ChibaPet | bbl |
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| 14:55.33 | nunu | so i just leave everything as it is =) |
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| 14:55.48 | nunu | don't want to mess up everything ^^ |
| 14:56.29 | h3sp4wn | nunu: Try the commercial oss drivers if you want (I think the binary nvidia ones were based on those) |
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| 14:57.16 | h3sp4wn | nunu: What is the problem sound in games ? |
| 14:57.49 | Gigantic | h3sp4wn: the libs |
| 14:58.01 | Gigantic | that reminds me... has anybody tried NVW2 with Wine/Cedega ? |
| 14:58.13 | h3sp4wn | Gigantic: What do you mean ? |
| 14:58.13 | DukeDrake | How can I cleanup dpkg ...? I tried to install locales, but it failed. |
| 14:58.33 | nunu | no with jack for example i only have one "option" how the config works... example rate etc. I can't change then or else the sound sucks or it simply doesn't work |
| 14:58.37 | Gigantic | NVW2 = Never Winter Nights 2 |
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| 14:59.28 | h3sp4wn | nunu: If you want to use jack get a decent soundcard (no resampling) |
| 14:59.42 | nunu | yes if i had the money I would do that :D |
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| 14:59.47 | rvalles | # apt-get install aptitude |
| 14:59.57 | rvalles | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.57 | rvalles | E: Broken packages |
| 14:59.58 | aptitude | rvalles: what are you talking about? |
| 15:00.08 | rvalles | aptitude: you're broken! |
| 15:00.08 | aptitude | THERE ARE *FOUR* LIGHTS! |
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| 15:00.27 | h3sp4wn | rvalles: so downgrade or wait |
| 15:00.31 | Gigantic | apt-get install me a better sound card |
| 15:00.34 | DukeDrake | ? |
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| 15:00.47 | h3sp4wn | rvalles: You shouldn't have forced the new apt to be installed |
| 15:00.54 | rvalles | h3sp4wn: I guess I'll survive with apt-get for a while |
| 15:00.59 | rvalles | prolly |
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| 15:01.24 | h3sp4wn | rvalles: If you are using 0.7.x then you get that --autoclean thing |
| 15:01.46 | bmc | rvalles: just remember that apt-get doesn't support automatic deps marking |
| 15:01.51 | bmc | :P |
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| 15:02.22 | h3sp4wn | bmc: I thought 0.7 did |
| 15:02.41 | Acu | I need some help setting virtual hosts in Apache 2.2 (Debian Etch) can anyone help ? |
| 15:02.52 | bmc | h3sp4wn: maybe, who knows. i'm running etch |
| 15:03.38 | h3sp4wn | apt-get autoremove (or something like that) I am using aptitude (don't want to break it by forcing apt to upgrade) |
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| 15:04.42 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.58 | raboof | Am I right that AGNULA/DeMuDi have halted, and the Debian Multimedia project is intended to take their place? |
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| 15:05.40 | h3sp4wn | raboof: The debian multimedia I know is for codecs and such - 64 studio is definately still going |
| 15:05.41 | bmc | raboof: i dont know, but if it's true that's really good news |
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| 15:06.07 | spheard | !fedora |
| 15:06.07 | dpkg | methinks fedora is Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, modelled after other community projects such as Debian and Gentoo. It is not directly supported by Red Hat itself. See http://fedora.redhat.com or #Fedora for more information, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/fedora.jpg |
| 15:06.25 | raboof | h3sp4wn: you probably mean http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ - I'm not sure if that has anything to do with http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia |
| 15:06.34 | bmc | i'd say it *is* directly supported by Red Hat (generally in a good way) |
| 15:06.37 | rvalles | h3sp4wn, bmc: I somehow thought aptitude relied on apt on behind |
| 15:06.51 | bmc | oh i suppose you mean end-user support, my bad |
| 15:06.52 | rvalles | there's why I thought it was more important to have newer apt, even if I had to use apt-get... |
| 15:06.55 | h3sp4wn | rvalles: It does you can read the bug report |
| 15:06.56 | spheard | bmc: thinking of replacing ubuntu on my laptop |
| 15:07.13 | h3sp4wn | rvalles: (which you should have done anyway as you are running sid) |
| 15:07.31 | rvalles | h3sp4wn: anyways... if I am right, in a few days I'll just apt-get update and install aptitude just fine |
| 15:07.38 | h3sp4wn | rvalles: (but its not just a case of rebuilding it) |
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| 15:09.04 | bmc | spheard: so? |
| 15:10.50 | bmc | !debian |
| 15:10.50 | dpkg | somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 15:10.56 | bmc | aww they need to add http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/debian.jpg |
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| 15:11.12 | Gigantic | dpkg: no fedora is <reply>Fedora is the Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, altough it is not supported by RedHat officially, you can get help from the comunity: #fedora |
| 15:11.12 | dpkg | Gigantic: okay |
| 15:11.32 | Gigantic | mmm |
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| 15:12.48 | liable | !botlove |
| 15:13.31 | Gigantic | better |
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| 15:14.52 | liable | in jelly? |
| 15:15.02 | spheard | hmm |
| 15:15.08 | Gigantic | :o |
| 15:15.16 | spheard | jellytechwrestly.com |
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| 15:15.52 | liable | dont worry, i just wanted to freak you out a little |
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| 15:16.15 | bmc | !fedora |
| 15:16.15 | dpkg | Fedora is the Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, altough it is not supported by RedHat officially, you can get help from the comunity: #fedora http://fedoraproject.org/ |
| 15:16.25 | spheard | !windows |
| 15:16.25 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 15:16.33 | bmc | so can anyone change what dpkg says |
| 15:16.41 | Absolute0 | i am not able to install debian for some reason :( The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7: Depends: nvidia-kernel-common (>= 20050829) but it |
| 15:16.44 | Absolute0 | is not installable |
| 15:17.01 | Gigantic | !botabuse |
| 15:17.01 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 15:17.06 | Gigantic | ehmm |
| 15:17.13 | Gigantic | wrong factoid... |
| 15:17.13 | Absolute0 | i ran apt-get install nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` |
| 15:17.26 | nacer | i have a small bugs on fresh installed etch |
| 15:17.42 | bmc | nacer: update/upgrade? |
| 15:17.54 | banja | dpkg, I need a cluster with openmosix and have been struggling with compiles. Is it possible to update debian sarge with a knoppix distro ? |
| 15:17.54 | nacer | no |
| 15:17.55 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, banja |
| 15:17.59 | nacer | bmc, fresh install |
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| 15:18.15 | nacer | i go check if its already report |
| 15:18.20 | nacer | the bugs dont block me |
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| 15:19.28 | nacer | bmc, what is the BTS url ? |
| 15:19.58 | Absolute0 | which repo is nvidia-kernel-common located in? |
| 15:20.08 | Absolute0 | i enabled non-free |
| 15:20.13 | Absolute0 | but its still not available... |
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| 15:22.22 | yang-- | I got some strange error in dmesg, can someone tell me to what its related ? http://www.pastebin.ca/570059 |
| 15:22.33 | Bogus8 | how can I figure out why a script won't run when in cron.daily but will run when directly run (as the same user "root") |
| 15:23.25 | Gigantic | o.O Time out in a FIFO ? |
| 15:24.05 | Gigantic | Bogus8: Tha fact that is in cron does not imply it will be run as root tho |
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| 15:24.21 | Bogus8 | Gigantic: well, the crontab is set up that way |
| 15:24.41 | Bogus8 | hold up |
| 15:24.45 | Bogus8 | funny... almost |
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| 15:25.06 | Bogus8 | my date is wrong... it JUST ran the daily which is schedled for 6:25... it's 1025 here! |
| 15:25.22 | Bogus8 | hmm, now how the hell do I correct the date on my system :( |
| 15:25.24 | RichiH | hmm |
| 15:25.36 | Bogus8 | it's set for UTC and the correct TZ ... I'll double check that |
| 15:25.52 | xand | install ntp, check tz |
| 15:25.55 | g00se | In which file is the domain name set? |
| 15:25.57 | Bogus8 | right tz |
| 15:26.10 | xand | g00se: hosts |
| 15:26.15 | RichiH | so, my upgrade via apt got killed while it ran |
| 15:26.21 | xand | g00se: and resolv.conf |
| 15:26.22 | RichiH | now i get |
| 15:26.22 | RichiH | equinox ~ # dpkg --configure -a |
| 15:26.22 | RichiH | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1: |
| 15:26.23 | RichiH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:26.26 | xand | lol |
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| 15:26.31 | xand | ha |
| 15:26.31 | Bogus8 | xand: so by default it wouldn't be keeping correct time why? |
| 15:26.35 | RichiH | yah, yah ;) |
| 15:26.43 | Bogus8 | xand: I told it to use UTC during the install |
| 15:26.43 | xand | Bogus8: bad cmos battery? |
| 15:26.44 | g00se | xand: Thanks |
| 15:26.57 | Bogus8 | xand: no, it's off by 4 hours exactly |
| 15:27.18 | rvalles | Bogus8: do you have windows too? |
| 15:27.27 | Bogus8 | rvalles: not on that machine |
| 15:27.32 | rvalles | Bogus8: and maybe boot it and windows decided to set stuff crazily... |
| 15:27.32 | rvalles | ok |
| 15:27.40 | xand | it's either the wrong time zone, or your clock isn't really set to utc |
| 15:27.46 | rvalles | no idea here (!) |
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| 15:28.05 | Bogus8 | xand: how do I double check the UTC... I know it's in a file in etc somewhere... I always forget that one |
| 15:28.11 | rvalles | ntpdate and ntpd are your friends, tho |
| 15:28.14 | xand | rvalles: if you dual boot windows and linux you can't set the hardware clock to gmt unless you're in the uk during winter |
| 15:28.20 | xand | er |
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| 15:28.42 | mirak | hi |
| 15:28.55 | mirak | can I hotplug a SATA hard drive ? |
| 15:28.55 | rvalles | I have more than one box where CMOS clock tends to do crazy stuff... and just rely on ntpdate in boottime. |
| 15:29.14 | rvalles | xand: or set windows to GMT and disable its automatic summer time setting |
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| 15:29.34 | Absolute0 | where the hell is nvidia-kernel-common??? i read the wiki page and that problem isn't there and nvidia needs it to install |
| 15:29.36 | liable | mirak: depends on the driver for the controller |
| 15:29.59 | liable | Absolute0: did you do an apt-get update? |
| 15:29.59 | mirak | liable: what is the risk ? |
| 15:30.01 | xand | Bogus8: /etc/default/rcS |
| 15:30.03 | teekay_ | confidential |
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| 15:30.14 | Acu | does anyone knows why webmin did not make it in any of the debian repositories ? |
| 15:30.29 | Absolute0 | liable: yes 10 times |
| 15:30.32 | Bogus8 | xand: yeah, that's it! .... nope it says UTC=yes |
| 15:30.33 | mirak | liable: can I plug the alim cable of the drive while the PC is on ? |
| 15:30.34 | Absolute0 | nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7: Depends: nvidia-kernel-common (>= 20050829) but it |
| 15:30.34 | Absolute0 | is not installable |
| 15:30.35 | xand | Acu: because it's crap |
| 15:30.39 | xand | !webmin |
| 15:30.39 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 15:31.06 | liable | mirak: i wouldnt suggest it. just power the thing off |
| 15:31.14 | Absolute0 | maybe nvidia-kernel-common isnt in non-free but something else? |
| 15:31.25 | hark | Absolute0: enable contrib |
| 15:31.29 | Absolute0 | argh |
| 15:31.30 | xand | Bogus8: and bios clock is really set to utc? |
| 15:31.33 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 15:31.40 | Bogus8 | xand: how do you mean? |
| 15:31.45 | h3sp4wn | RichiH: You can use dpkg --clear-avail (apt-get update or aptitude update) |
| 15:31.49 | liable | Absolute0: i told you to add that about two hours ago |
| 15:32.00 | stAl | hello, how can i broadcast a stream to a shoutcast server ? i mean to play something on this computer and send the stream to a server that will broadcast it later on to listeners |
| 15:32.01 | xand | Bogus8: if you go into the bios setup does it say 15:32? |
| 15:32.14 | Bogus8 | xand: oh, I don't know... never reboot this machine |
| 15:32.30 | Absolute0 | liable: i am sorry i must've missed it |
| 15:32.34 | xand | maybe it's not actually set to UTC |
| 15:32.49 | spheard | jesus christ, the fedora live CD doesnt fit on a CD |
| 15:32.55 | raboof | does Debian have a preconfigured low-latency kernel (for live audio processing purposes) or do I need to roll my own? |
| 15:33.00 | liable | spheard: we dont care |
| 15:33.16 | xand | spheard: good |
| 15:33.26 | xand | save you wasting CDs burning it ;) |
| 15:33.39 | spheard | xand: that was sorta my point |
| 15:33.46 | Bogus8 | xand: hwclock says that it's set to 6:30 :( |
| 15:33.57 | Acu | xand: now you are scaring me. I am trying to learn to set virtual hosts in etch apache2.2 and I do not find any coherent help or documentation specific to debian - I thought to use something more automatic - saying that what else then webmin I can use for creating virtual hosts |
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| 15:34.24 | xand | Bogus8: that'll be why then, run ntpdate to set the time |
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| 15:34.32 | Bogus8 | ok, thanks |
| 15:34.53 | Absolute0 | how do i stop gdm? |
| 15:34.54 | spheard | Acu: a2ensite :-) |
| 15:34.55 | xand | Acu: creating virtual hosts is easy, and i dont think you need debian specific docs on it |
| 15:35.16 | Absolute0 | in archlinux i would run '/etc/rc.d/gdm stop' |
| 15:35.24 | Absolute0 | where are the daemons in debian? |
| 15:35.26 | h3sp4wn | Acu: add /etc/apache2/sites-available/whatever-site |
| 15:35.59 | xand | Absolute0: /etc/init.d |
| 15:36.20 | xand | !livecd |
| 15:36.20 | dpkg | [livecd] an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 15:36.58 | spheard | Acu, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/207 |
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| 15:38.27 | eps | what is the xorg meta package? |
| 15:38.38 | wols | x-window-system |
| 15:38.47 | eps | thx |
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| 15:39.06 | wols | Acu: type "a2"<tab><tab>. there are a few apache2 utils there |
| 15:39.16 | RichiH | h3sp4wn: seems to work, i am trying to fix it |
| 15:39.16 | Bogus8 | xand: now the date should stick... or is there anything I need to enable/disable to keep the time like this? |
| 15:39.18 | Acu | I will read them again - I know the basic steps: create a file in sites available symlink to sites enabled and a2ensite - my question is whether mysite.com should be similar to default |
| 15:39.26 | xand | Bogus8: yes it should |
| 15:39.33 | Bogus8 | xand: ok, thanks a bunch! |
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| 15:39.56 | doubleoh | Anyone have any idea why xrdp/vnc would map my keyboard from asdf keys to be abfh? I tried several suggestions. No luck. |
| 15:40.25 | Cyberjames | Hi, anyone could suggest website for debian howto and tutorials? |
| 15:40.41 | spheard | Acu: dont symlink, use the a2ensite tool |
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| 15:40.43 | Zap-W | hi |
| 15:40.45 | Zap-W | hey anyone know a few guides for optimizng nfs perfomance |
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| 15:41.17 | spheard | Acu: yes, default is a good place to start |
| 15:41.26 | spheard | Acu: but it does have a lot of fat |
| 15:41.56 | Acu | spheard: thanks I will try again - yes I tried to trim the fat and the patient colapsed ;) |
| 15:42.05 | spheard | :-) |
| 15:42.09 | ustunozgur | Cyberjames:http://forums.debian.net/ |
| 15:42.22 | RichiH | ok, argh |
| 15:42.29 | ustunozgur | Cyberjames: howtoforge |
| 15:42.35 | RichiH | i can not install locales as.. locales is not properly installed |
| 15:42.55 | spheard | Acu if you paste your config either here or in #apache Im sure someone will help you out |
| 15:44.10 | spheard | acu, if you want more than 1 vhost, you have to have "NameVirtualHost *" somewhere in your apache2.conf |
| 15:44.12 | Cyberjames | thanks ustunozgur |
| 15:45.03 | RichiH | Acu: do not paste directly, use a paste serice like the ones offered in the topic |
| 15:45.11 | Acu | spheard: great, let me try quicly to unmess the mess and I will be back - there is one more question - since I am trying this on the LAN I have to learn to tweak the workstation to test the new server |
| 15:45.55 | h3sp4wn | RichiH: dpkg -C ; dpkg --configure -a (check /var/lib/dpkg/status for corruption also) |
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| 15:46.46 | Acu | spheard: and yes the question of what do I need to change in apache2.conf was active in my mind - it is the last line which normally includes sites-enabled |
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| 15:48.01 | Acu | spheard et al. thanks a bunch! I will be back (not as governor of California :) ) |
| 15:48.24 | h3sp4wn | RichiH: You can just dpkg -i it (if it really has corrupt files) but if /var/lib/dpkg/status its easy to make it worse |
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| 15:48.53 | ustunozgur | Cyberjames: you are welcome, also the bot here, dpkg know a lot :) |
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| 15:49.12 | RichiH | h3sp4wn: huh? |
| 15:49.35 | h3sp4wn | RichiH: Re download the deb and force it |
| 15:49.58 | RichiH | h3sp4wn: i know it downloaded OK |
| 15:51.23 | RichiH | h3sp4wn: how can i check if status is corrupt? |
| 15:51.32 | RichiH | dpkg -C did not do any good, btw |
| 15:51.32 | dpkg | drwxr-xr-x root/root 1447 2005-2-16 03:53:39 ./usr/share/did not do any good, btw/pr0n/ariana.xpm |
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| 15:52.17 | h3sp4wn | RichiH: look at it (it will have stuff like @@@@@ in it if it is) likely to be at the top or bottom if it is) |
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| 15:53.15 | Thms | !paste |
| 15:53.16 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 15:53.19 | spheard | Acu tweak the workstation? |
| 15:53.22 | RichiH | h3sp4wn: not a single occurence of two consecutive @ |
| 15:53.31 | RichiH | in status, that is |
| 15:53.42 | spheard | Acu: sounds disgusting |
| 15:54.17 | h3sp4wn | RichiH: Treat it as ok then (I made my problem much worse - messing with an NCQ patch if I had sorted that out first would have saved me much hassle later) |
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| 15:54.36 | RichiH | h3sp4wn: so i dpkg -i locales, then? |
| 15:54.50 | RichiH | h3sp4wn: not that apt-get install locales did not do any good, btw |
| 15:55.34 | tbamr | does anyone know of any speech recognition software that works out of the box |
| 15:55.35 | tbamr | ? |
| 15:55.47 | eps | haha, good luck with that :P |
| 15:55.51 | eps | try again in 40 years :) |
| 15:55.55 | tbamr | haha |
| 15:56.09 | tbamr | eps: vista's got it. why not Linux ? |
| 15:56.29 | h3sp4wn | RichiH: or you can do dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq --force-depends -P locales |
| 15:56.32 | mick_home | tbamr: you are wrong w/ one point |
| 15:56.46 | mick_home | it *has* speech recognition - it doesn't work though |
| 15:56.51 | tbamr | mick_home: what's that ? |
| 15:56.52 | tbamr | haha |
| 15:56.56 | mick_home | i spent 7 fucking hours training it |
| 15:56.58 | h3sp4wn | RichiH: Then just reinstall it |
| 15:56.59 | eps | tbamr, I'm suggest that speech recognition software is useless, and rarely worked well out of the box without ten hours of training |
| 15:57.00 | tbamr | mick_home: really ? |
| 15:57.06 | mick_home | and it didn't work *at all* |
| 15:57.14 | tbamr | mick_home: haha.. |
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| 15:57.26 | mick_home | it was a wasted weekend |
| 15:57.27 | tbamr | eps: well, that's not a problem training it i guess. |
| 15:57.36 | mick_home | it didn't even get any better!?! |
| 15:57.40 | tbamr | mick_home: heh |
| 15:58.00 | eps | mick_home, the one that comes with osx works without training, it's not to bad...but trying to play chess by calling the moves is nearly impossible :( |
| 15:58.25 | mick_home | i kept trying to say "My dada is the greatest dad in the world" (and show my father) ;) -- for hours i tried to get it to recognize *anything* |
| 15:58.32 | eps | I just like saying "computer, open safari" and it happens :) |
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| 15:58.47 | tbamr | epp: mick_home i need something i can use to program. |
| 15:58.48 | h3sp4wn | RichiH: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/locales_2.5-11_all.deb (I presume that is what you ment) |
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| 15:58.53 | mick_home | and i do not speak w/ any accent (i grew up in the states) -- and in FL we don't have any fucked up accents |
| 15:59.10 | tbamr | mick_home: heh |
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| 15:59.18 | eps | tbamr, mmm, okay, speech recognition under linux. let me see what I can find |
| 15:59.25 | mick_home | tbamr: look at ViaVoice (from IBM) or festival/sphinx (linux) |
| 15:59.40 | tbamr | umm.. nice. thanks dude |
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| 15:59.44 | eps | I've heard viavoice and sphinx are good :P |
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| 15:59.47 | RichiH | h3sp4wn: thanks! |
| 15:59.47 | mick_home | forget "looking" sphinx/festival are the only ones worth mentioning |
| 15:59.54 | RichiH | h3sp4wn: seems to work |
| 16:00.03 | Greyscale | Anyone got a good ati/etch/beryl tutorial? |
| 16:00.05 | tbamr | mick_home: i tried sphinx, i think it doesn't work for me. |
| 16:00.09 | mick_home | festival is for reading back to you |
| 16:00.12 | eps | tbamr, also look into the 'open mind speech" project |
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| 16:00.22 | tbamr | eps: cool. |
| 16:00.27 | mick_home | never heard of the last one |
| 16:00.30 | eps | mick_home, okay |
| 16:00.31 | TrueDD | re |
| 16:00.53 | eps | looks like it is still heavily under development |
| 16:01.02 | mick_home | tbamr: if you find something that works (and the one in Vista doesn't by any means) |
| 16:01.07 | RichiH | hrm |
| 16:01.20 | mick_home | sphinx should actually work |
| 16:01.23 | RichiH | h3sp4wn: the last few packages i upgraded seem to think they are upgraded, already |
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| 16:01.26 | RichiH | when i know that they are not |
| 16:01.39 | mick_home | for home automation |
| 16:02.08 | HardDisk_WP | how do I restore a file I just blanked on a ext3 file system?? |
| 16:02.19 | tbamr | mick_home: sphinx worked but i guess i didn't look it too much. The demos were OK but I couldn't sort of "hook" it up with vim |
| 16:02.43 | tbamr | mick_home: but demos were great |
| 16:02.58 | RichiH | anyone aware of a way to forcefully reinstall all packages that entered sid in the last X days? |
| 16:03.15 | RichiH | harblanked? |
| 16:03.24 | RichiH | HardDisk_WP: blanked? |
| 16:03.29 | tbamr | mick_home: eps thanks guys |
| 16:03.40 | HardDisk_WP | RichiH, eptied it to size 0 |
| 16:03.41 | valdyn | RichiH: apt-cache policy lies? |
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| 16:04.11 | eps | RichiH, do what? |
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| 16:04.20 | RichiH | valdyn: apt-get update does not seem to want to (re)install what i tried to install |
| 16:04.38 | RichiH | ok, the situations is this: |
| 16:04.42 | eps | apt-get install --reinstall package |
| 16:04.44 | RichiH | i wanted to apt-get upgrade |
| 16:04.45 | valdyn | RichiH: yea, but does apt-cache policy notice a newer version available or not |
| 16:04.47 | eps | maybe :/ |
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| 16:05.00 | RichiH | epsyes, but is there an easy way to find out waht changed in the last week or so? |
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| 16:05.26 | RichiH | valdyn: i don't know what packages it tried to upgrade |
| 16:05.30 | RichiH | i did not write that down ;) |
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| 16:05.39 | valdyn | RichiH: you can read /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 16:05.40 | eps | RichiH, please explain your situation? |
| 16:05.51 | RichiH | will do |
| 16:06.01 | mick_home | tbamr: let me know what works for you |
| 16:06.05 | valdyn | RichiH: and you are certainly on a weird track explaining that situation you're encountering.. |
| 16:06.24 | eps | valdyn, didn't know that log file existed, very handy thx :) |
| 16:06.29 | tbamr | mick_home: sure. i guess you are always around #debian ? |
| 16:06.30 | annoia | When I try to start the X-server I get an error, that it cannot find the driver for my keyboard. I'm running sid |
| 16:06.36 | h3sp4wn | The aptitude log file is nicer to read |
| 16:06.48 | mick_home | tbamr: #debian and in #clamwin |
| 16:06.51 | h3sp4wn | (useless if you didn't use aptitude though) |
| 16:06.53 | tbamr | mick_home: ok cool |
| 16:06.57 | valdyn | annoia: no, the error is something else |
| 16:07.03 | RichiH | valthe thing i encountered is werid as well ;) |
| 16:07.06 | valdyn | annoia: tell us the real error message |
| 16:07.14 | eps | h3sp4wn, good thing I always use aptitude :P |
| 16:07.22 | RichiH | valdyn: i did not know /var/log/dpkg.log exists. i will fix it with that |
| 16:07.23 | RichiH | thanks! |
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| 16:07.33 | eps | speaking of which, RichiH have you tried using aptitude over apt-get? it works in the same way but is nicer |
| 16:07.34 | RichiH | (and i will explain what happened, afterwards :) |
| 16:07.36 | annoia | valdyn - (EE) No Input driver matching 'keyboard' |
| 16:07.37 | h3sp4wn | eps: me 2 /var/log/aptitude is much nicer in comparison to /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 16:07.44 | RichiH | epsi don't like aptitude |
| 16:07.49 | valdyn | !drxx annoia |
| 16:07.49 | dpkg | annoia: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 16:07.55 | eps | that's cool |
| 16:07.58 | RichiH | eps: i tried it several times over the years |
| 16:08.08 | RichiH | i just prefer apt-get |
| 16:08.16 | valdyn | annoia: far as i know its called "kbd" now, as mentioned in the changelog |
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| 16:08.58 | eps | best thing about linux is you can use what you want :) |
| 16:09.12 | yannick_ | find /home/ -maxdepth 1 |
| 16:09.12 | yannick_ | /home/ |
| 16:09.12 | yannick_ | /home/pk |
| 16:09.14 | yannick_ | /home/beheer |
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| 16:09.18 | quitte | sigh. a friend just called. she lost data because she didn't see any reason there couldn'T be two files of the same name in a directory. is there a reliable filesystem that has a vcs in it? |
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| 16:09.24 | annoia | valdyn - Ah, that did the trick. Thanks! I'll try to mess a bit more around myself next time :P |
| 16:09.27 | yannick_ | gives me that. How can I not have "/home/" as results |
| 16:09.30 | valdyn | annoia: http://rafb.net/p/xArmFT77.html |
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| 16:09.39 | yannick_ | I need all subdirs but not "/home/" |
| 16:09.49 | valdyn | annoia: maybe you want to install apt-listchanges |
| 16:09.57 | quitte | i'd be glad for any other idea how without making her do backups I could stop her from loosing data every other day. |
| 16:10.01 | valdyn | annoia: pretty useful on sid, and not spammy |
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| 16:10.05 | eps | yannick_, what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:10.27 | yannick_ | I'm giving the results to -exec |
| 16:10.33 | yannick_ | but my program doesn't run |
| 16:10.50 | yannick_ | since "script.sh /home/" |
| 16:10.52 | yannick_ | is a wrong parameter |
| 16:11.04 | annoia | valdyn - Will do. Thanks again :) |
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| 16:11.24 | eps | yang, do you have to use find? |
| 16:11.31 | yannick_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:11.41 | yannick_ | is the whole command I want to execute |
| 16:12.13 | eps | I think you have a syntax error in your line |
| 16:12.27 | eps | trying to remember this sort of thing from uni courses last year |
| 16:13.01 | valdyn | yannick_: what's that first backslash supposed to do? |
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| 16:13.13 | yang-- | I got some strange error in dmesg, can someone tell me to what its related ? http://www.pastebin.ca/570059 |
| 16:13.42 | yannick_ | http://www.geocities.com/tipsforlinux/articles/21.html |
| 16:13.47 | yannick_ | I was reading that valdyn |
| 16:13.50 | yannick_ | it is supposed to do |
| 16:13.52 | eps | yang, what device is that refering too? |
| 16:13.56 | yannick_ | ./own.sh /home/pk |
| 16:13.57 | spheard | what should I be using as a mail server on debian, is exim4 fully loaded? |
| 16:14.03 | valdyn | yannick_: ok , that backslash is only redundant |
| 16:14.05 | yannick_ | (check bottom page) |
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| 16:15.22 | yang-- | eps, i dont know maybe crypted drive or hard drive? |
| 16:15.22 | yannick_ | can't I solve it by doing some test |
| 16:15.31 | valdyn | yannick_: i dont get what you want |
| 16:15.34 | yannick_ | like -exec if string="/home/" => do command |
| 16:15.51 | yannick_ | valdyn: I want to execute own.sh with a parameter |
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| 16:16.02 | valdyn | yannick_: which parameter? |
| 16:16.06 | yannick_ | I want to be this parameter all directories in /home/* |
| 16:16.09 | yannick_ | maxdepth 1 |
| 16:16.17 | yannick_ | so /home/user1, /home/user2 |
| 16:16.27 | valdyn | yannick_: all directories at once? |
| 16:16.38 | yannick_ | no, seperately |
| 16:16.52 | eps | it sounds like an assignment I had to do last year |
| 16:16.55 | yannick_ | the -exec command does the command for every result of find |
| 16:17.08 | valdyn | yannick_: so maxdepth should be ZERO |
| 16:17.20 | eps | basically you go over every file in a directory and run another application over the results returned |
| 16:17.41 | yannick_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.41 | yannick_ | /home/ |
| 16:18.03 | yannick_ | maxdepth 0 gives me the only directory I don't want to have as parameter |
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| 16:18.33 | yang-- | eps: this is the first message |
| 16:18.35 | yang-- | parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778), irq 7, using FIFO [PCSPP,TRISTATE,COMPAT,ECP] |
| 16:19.11 | eps | parport is like a peripheral device; fifo error means it is having issues dealing with the data returning from the device |
| 16:19.22 | eps | do you have a pda or some thing attached to your pc? |
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| 16:19.34 | yannick_ | mmm valdyn |
| 16:19.37 | yang-- | eps: no but its a laptop with crypted drive |
| 16:19.40 | yannick_ | find /home/ -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 |
| 16:19.41 | yannick_ | solves it :D |
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| 16:21.51 | eps | just as I found my assignment too :P |
| 16:21.52 | eps | oh well |
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| 16:22.21 | leon_pegg | hello all |
| 16:22.27 | eps | morning |
| 16:22.41 | leon_pegg | can anyone help me with a packaging question |
| 16:23.25 | eps | not if you don't tell us what is wrong ^_^ |
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| 16:24.57 | leon_pegg | well I have got to the stage were I have to fill in the Build-Depends: section and wanted to know if I had to add the libc6-dev in the list |
| 16:25.55 | leon_pegg | here is my needed list if it helps http://pastebin.ca/507182 |
| 16:26.52 | sn0 | Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired. |
| 16:26.58 | Greyscale | Anyone got a ATI/ruby tutorial for debian? |
| 16:27.25 | leon_pegg | sorry http://pastebin.ca/570182 |
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| 16:29.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 813] by debhelper |
| 16:29.02 | themill__ | I'm considering moving my laptop from etch to lenny to get some better hardware support for my sound and video cards. How bro |
| 16:29.09 | themill__ | How broken is lenny atm? |
| 16:29.26 | Azar | Greyscale: ruby on rails http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/329 |
| 16:29.47 | Greyscale | bugger. I ment beryl |
| 16:29.52 | Greyscale | I kept thinking of the logo. |
| 16:29.53 | Azar | hehe |
| 16:30.57 | Azar | Greyscale: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Debian << from google... there are more there |
| 16:31.19 | Greyscale | I was talking about one that works :P |
| 16:31.24 | Greyscale | one that people can recommend |
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| 16:32.38 | h3sp4wn | Greyscale: If you are using fglrx then the only way is with xgl which is not even in debian |
| 16:33.03 | *** join/#debian M1choacano (n=juLio@189.168.2.243) |
| 16:33.09 | *** part/#debian hippo (n=kp@galagonx.fixdial.interware.hu) |
| 16:33.10 | M1choacano | windows rules niigas |
| 16:33.10 | M1choacano | idiots |
| 16:33.16 | Greyscale | hahahaha |
| 16:33.20 | Greyscale | lovely, a troll |
| 16:33.28 | M1choacano | Microsoft Windows |
| 16:33.29 | M1choacano | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 16:33.29 | M1choacano | Jump to: navigation, search |
| 16:33.29 | M1choacano | “Windows” redirects here. For other uses, see Windows (disambiguation). |
| 16:33.29 | M1choacano | Microsoft Windows Windows logo |
| 16:33.29 | *** kick/#debian [M1choacano!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 16:33.43 | *** join/#debian M1choacano (n=juLio@189.168.2.243) |
| 16:33.45 | M1choacano | Preview release: Windows Server 2008 |
| 16:33.47 | M1choacano | Beta 3 |
| 16:33.49 | M1choacano | NT 6.0.6001.16510 (April 25, 2007) |
| 16:33.51 | M1choacano | Windows Home Server |
| 16:33.53 | M1choacano | Release Candidate (June 12, 2007) [+/-] |
| 16:33.55 | Azar | !ops M1choacano trolls |
| 16:33.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: azar complains about: M1choacano trolls |
| 16:33.56 | M1choacano | License: MS-EULA |
| 16:33.57 | Greyscale | debhelper defeats troll, troll acts faggoty |
| 16:33.57 | M1choacano | Working state: Current |
| 16:34.01 | M1choacano | Website: Microsoft Windows |
| 16:34.03 | M1choacano | Microsoft Windows is the name of several families of proprietary software operating systems by Microsoft. Microsoft first introduced an operating environment named Windows in November 1985 as an add-on to MS-DOS in response to the growing interest in graphical user interfaces (GUI).[1] Microsoft Windows eventually came to dominate the world's personal computer market, overtaking OS/2 and Mac OS which had been introduced earlier. At the 2004 IDC Directio |
| 16:34.08 | M1choacano | ns conference, IDC Vice President Avneesh Saxena stated that Windows had approximately 90% of the client operating system market.[2] |
| 16:34.10 | socialist | !ops M1choacano trolls |
| 16:34.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: socialist complains about: M1choacano trolls |
| 16:34.11 | M1choacano | Contents |
| 16:34.12 | Scurz | ... |
| 16:34.14 | M1choacano | [hide] |
| 16:34.15 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.17 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.19 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.21 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.24 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.25 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.27 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.29 | Scurz | M1choacano: are you finish ?? |
| 16:34.31 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.33 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.35 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.38 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.39 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.41 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.44 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.45 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.47 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.49 | socialist | someone needs a time out |
| 16:34.49 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.51 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.53 | Scurz | !ops M1choacano trolls |
| 16:34.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: scurz complains about: M1choacano trolls |
| 16:34.53 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.55 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.58 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.01 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.03 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.05 | M1choacano | [edit] Versions |
| 16:35.07 | M1choacano | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.09 | M1choacano | bye |
| 16:35.11 | M1choacano | bye dudes |
| 16:35.12 | leon_pegg | someone kick him |
| 16:35.13 | Azar | is the sunday's idiots day :) |
| 16:35.13 | M1choacano | i love debian |
| 16:35.15 | Greyscale | and ignore shuts the fucker up :) |
| 16:35.16 | M1choacano | :D |
| 16:35.18 | M1choacano | i just wanna be funny |
| 16:35.20 | M1choacano | :( |
| 16:35.21 | M1choacano | !ops Michoacano hacker |
| 16:35.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: m1choacano complains about: Michoacano hacker |
| 16:35.27 | Greyscale | Azar, its saturday. |
| 16:35.37 | Azar | Greyscale: not everywhere |
| 16:35.42 | Greyscale | shush. |
| 16:35.43 | Greyscale | :P |
| 16:35.43 | h4x0rSx | :D |
| 16:35.45 | h4x0rSx | :D |
| 16:35.47 | h4x0rSx | :D |
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| 16:36.07 | Greyscale | ignore worked nicely :) |
| 16:36.16 | socialist | I wouldn't mind so much if any of it was actually funny |
| 16:36.17 | h4x0rSx | what the fuck |
| 16:36.17 | Azar | yeah, it works |
| 16:36.19 | h4x0rSx | Greyscale, are you gay? |
| 16:36.31 | socialist | h4x0rSx: why, you looking for a date? |
| 16:36.37 | leon_pegg | lol |
| 16:36.44 | Azar | hehe dumbass |
| 16:36.50 | h4x0rSx | mm |
| 16:36.58 | h4x0rSx | Greyscale, are you gay? |
| 16:37.01 | h4x0rSx | i love starcraft |
| 16:37.10 | *** join/#debian RevertTS (n=eli@user-0cetuor.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 16:37.22 | h4x0rSx | RevertTS, is nigga |
| 16:37.26 | h4x0rSx | kick him |
| 16:38.31 | h4x0rSx | a |
| 16:38.31 | h4x0rSx | abchirk, |
| 16:38.32 | h4x0rSx | abuz |
| 16:38.34 | h4x0rSx | AciD, |
| 16:38.35 | h4x0rSx | acylord |
| 16:38.36 | h4x0rSx | aDDONiC, |
| 16:38.37 | themill__ | !ops h4x0rSx is a troll |
| 16:38.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill__ complains about: h4x0rSx is a troll |
| 16:38.38 | h4x0rSx | after |
| 16:38.40 | h4x0rSx | agraj |
| 16:38.42 | h4x0rSx | AhrAsyL, |
| 16:38.44 | spheard | h4x0rSx, doesnt the fact that you havent had any contact with the opposit sex since 2001 (and he/she was asleep) make all this a bit hollow? |
| 16:38.45 | h4x0rSx | aly |
| 16:38.47 | h4x0rSx | Amorphous, |
| 16:38.48 | h4x0rSx | Amorphous, |
| 16:38.50 | h4x0rSx | am |
| 16:38.52 | h4x0rSx | AngusRF, |
| 16:38.55 | h4x0rSx | Ankman, |
| 16:38.57 | ness | /ignore h4x0rSx |
| 16:38.57 | h4x0rSx | anno |
| 16:39.01 | h4x0rSx | LOL |
| 16:39.09 | *** join/#debian marcel (n=marcel@ip4da07c4d.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 16:39.21 | h4x0rSx | marcel, IS NIGGA |
| 16:39.23 | h4x0rSx | ban him |
| 16:39.34 | h4x0rSx | this channel is racist |
| 16:39.34 | *** join/#debian asdx (n=diego@adsl-130-161.click.com.py) |
| 16:39.35 | *** join/#debian peasse (n=peasset@84.205.134.206) |
| 16:39.37 | Havis | h4x0rSx: get laid |
| 16:39.41 | h4x0rSx | asdx, is nigga |
| 16:39.43 | h4x0rSx | ban him |
| 16:39.46 | h4x0rSx | this chanle is racist |
| 16:39.56 | leon_pegg | ops please deal with h4x0rSx |
| 16:40.00 | asdx | h4x0rSx: im not nigga |
| 16:40.01 | Greyscale | Havis, ignore is nice :) |
| 16:40.05 | h4x0rSx | asdx, yes |
| 16:40.05 | h4x0rSx | yes |
| 16:40.07 | asdx | h4x0rSx: wtf? |
| 16:40.14 | spheard | how do you ignore? |
| 16:40.17 | h4x0rSx | asdx, are you nigga? |
| 16:40.23 | ness | asdx: h4x0rSx is a troll.. |
| 16:40.25 | socialist | asdx: it's just kiddie trolling |
| 16:40.26 | asdx | h4x0rSx: wtf is nigga? |
| 16:40.33 | h4x0rSx | nigga= gay |
| 16:40.34 | h4x0rSx | and |
| 16:40.37 | h4x0rSx | black |
| 16:40.41 | Azar | !ops h4x0rSx is trolling |
| 16:40.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: azar complains about: h4x0rSx is trolling |
| 16:40.47 | pngwn | asdx, stop feeding it |
| 16:40.47 | h4x0rSx | lol |
| 16:40.54 | peasse | hi, i need some help on that problem : i have a printer PIXMA IP 1200, and i don't find any driver for that crap in the linuxprinting.org site, what can i do? thanks |
| 16:41.01 | h4x0rSx | pease SHUT THE FUCK UP |
| 16:41.11 | asdx | roflmao |
| 16:41.12 | Greyscale | peasse, is it an all-in-one? |
| 16:41.19 | Azar | everyone /ignore h4x0rSx |
| 16:41.26 | wwallace | if it was me i would have been banned long time ago |
| 16:41.29 | h4x0rSx | Microsoft Windows |
| 16:41.30 | h4x0rSx | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 16:41.30 | h4x0rSx | Jump to: navigation, search |
| 16:41.30 | h4x0rSx | “Windows” redirects here. For other uses, see Windows (disambiguation). |
| 16:41.30 | h4x0rSx | Microsoft Windows Windows logo |
| 16:41.30 | *** kick/#debian [h4x0rSx!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 16:41.34 | flami | that fag still here ? |
| 16:41.38 | peasse | h4x0rSx : are you gay ? |
| 16:41.40 | *** join/#debian h4x0rSx (n=juLio@189.168.2.243) |
| 16:41.41 | Greyscale | for xchat: |
| 16:41.41 | Greyscale | /ignore *@189.168.2.243 ALL |
| 16:41.42 | h4x0rSx | Source model: Closed source |
| 16:41.44 | h4x0rSx | Stable release: Windows Vista |
| 16:41.46 | h4x0rSx | NT 6.0 (November 8, 2006) [+/-] |
| 16:41.48 | h4x0rSx | Preview release: Windows Server 2008 |
| 16:41.50 | h4x0rSx | Beta 3 |
| 16:41.52 | h4x0rSx | NT 6.0.6001.16510 (April 25, 2007) |
| 16:41.54 | h4x0rSx | Windows Home Server |
| 16:41.55 | socialist | yawn |
| 16:41.56 | h4x0rSx | Release Candidate (June 12, 2007) [+/-] |
| 16:41.58 | h4x0rSx | License: MS-EULA |
| 16:42.01 | RevertTS | /ignore h4x0rSx |
| 16:42.02 | h4x0rSx | Working state: Current |
| 16:42.05 | h4x0rSx | Website: Microsoft Windows |
| 16:42.06 | h4x0rSx | Microsoft Windows is the name of several families of proprietary software operating systems by Microsoft. Microsoft first introduced an operating environment named Windows in November 1985 as an add-on to MS-DOS in response to the growing interest in graphical user interfaces (GUI).[1] Microsoft Windows eventually came to dominate the world's personal computer market, overtaking OS/2 and Mac OS which had been introduced earlier. At the 2004 IDC Directions |
| 16:42.11 | h4x0rSx | conference, IDC Vice President Avneesh Saxena stated that Windows had approximately 90% of the client operating system market.[2] |
| 16:42.14 | h4x0rSx | Microsoft Windows |
| 16:42.16 | asdx | h4x0rSx: don't you have something more important to do with your life? |
| 16:42.16 | h4x0rSx | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 16:42.18 | h4x0rSx | Jump to: navigation, search |
| 16:42.20 | socialist | h4x0rSx: do you have anything funny to say or are you going to stick with the purely annoying approach? |
| 16:42.20 | h4x0rSx | “Windows” redirects here. For other uses, see Windows (disambiguation). |
| 16:42.22 | h4x0rSx | Microsoft Windows Windows logo |
| 16:42.24 | peasse | well, who is admin here? |
| 16:42.24 | krazykit | !ops h4x0rSx is spamming |
| 16:42.24 | h4x0rSx | Screenshot of Windows Vista, the latest release of Microsoft Windows. |
| 16:42.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: krazykit complains about: h4x0rSx is spamming |
| 16:42.25 | tbamr | wtf ? |
| 16:42.26 | h4x0rSx | Company/developer: Microsoft Corporation |
| 16:42.28 | h4x0rSx | OS family: MS-DOS-based, Windows NT, Windows 9x, Windows CE, Windows 3.1x |
| 16:42.32 | h4x0rSx | Source model: Closed source |
| 16:42.34 | tbamr | stop flooding h4x0rSx |
| 16:42.34 | h4x0rSx | Stable release: Windows Vista |
| 16:42.36 | h4x0rSx | NT 6.0 (November 8, 2006) [+/-] |
| 16:42.38 | h4x0rSx | Preview release: Windows Server 2008 |
| 16:42.40 | Azar | !ops |
| 16:42.40 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 16:42.40 | h4x0rSx | Beta 3 |
| 16:42.42 | h4x0rSx | NT 6.0.6001.16510 (April 25, 2007) |
| 16:42.44 | h4x0rSx | Windows Home Server |
| 16:42.46 | h4x0rSx | Release Candidate (June 12, 2007) [+/-] |
| 16:42.48 | h4x0rSx | License: MS-EULA |
| 16:42.49 | Havis | h4x0rSx: btw tell us something about Debian :-P |
| 16:42.50 | h4x0rSx | Working state: Current |
| 16:42.52 | h4x0rSx | Website: Microsoft Windows |
| 16:42.54 | h4x0rSx | Microsoft Windows is the name of several families of proprietary software operating systems by Microsoft. Microsoft first introduced an operating environment named Windows in November 1985 as an add-on to MS-DOS in response to the growing interest in graphical user interfaces (GUI).[1] Microsoft Windows eventually came to dominate the world's personal computer market, overtaking OS/2 and Mac OS which had |
| 16:43.00 | h4x0rSx | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.04 | Greyscale | Havis, of course he can't. |
| 16:43.04 | h4x0rSx | Microsoft Windows |
| 16:43.06 | h4x0rSx | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 16:43.08 | h4x0rSx | Jump to: navigation, search |
| 16:43.10 | h4x0rSx | “Windows” redirects here. For other uses, see Windows (disambiguation). |
| 16:43.15 | Havis | Greyscale: y :-P |
| 16:43.15 | asdx | zzzz |
| 16:43.16 | h4x0rSx | Microsoft Windows Windows logo |
| 16:43.18 | h4x0rSx | Screenshot of Windows Vista, the latest release of Microsoft Windows. |
| 16:43.21 | h4x0rSx | Company/developer: Microsoft Corporation |
| 16:43.22 | h4x0rSx | OS family: MS-DOS-based, Windows NT, Windows 9x, Windows CE, Windows 3.1x |
| 16:43.24 | h4x0rSx | Source model: Closed source |
| 16:43.26 | h4x0rSx | Stable release: Windows Vista |
| 16:43.28 | h4x0rSx | NT 6.0 (November 8, 2006) [+/-] |
| 16:43.32 | h4x0rSx | Preview release: Windows Server 2008 |
| 16:43.34 | Azar | oh well no ops today |
| 16:43.34 | h4x0rSx | Beta 3 |
| 16:43.37 | h4x0rSx | NT 6.0.6001.16510 (April 25, 2007) |
| 16:43.38 | h4x0rSx | Windows Home Server |
| 16:43.39 | asdx | h4x0rSx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian |
| 16:43.40 | h4x0rSx | Release Candidate (June 12, 2007) [+/-] |
| 16:43.41 | ustunozgur | Wow, so many years of evolution and we still have people like him. how sad... |
| 16:43.42 | peasse | this is weird |
| 16:43.42 | asdx | h4x0rSx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux |
| 16:43.43 | h4x0rSx | License: MS-EULA |
| 16:43.44 | h4x0rSx | Working state: Current |
| 16:43.47 | h4x0rSx | Website: Microsoft Windows |
| 16:43.48 | h4x0rSx | Microsoft Windows is the name of several families of proprietary software operating systems by Microsoft. Microsoft first introduced an operating environment named Windows in November 1985 as an add-on to MS-DOS in response to the growing interest in graphical user interfaces (GUI).[1] Microsoft Windows eventually came to dominate the world's personal computer market, overtaking OS/2 and Mac OS which had |
| 16:43.49 | Havis | Greyscale: I wonder what is the admin doin? :P |
| 16:43.50 | Greyscale | Havis, because he's an idiot and hasn't actually looked into his object of abuse :P |
| 16:43.54 | h4x0rSx | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.56 | h4x0rSx | Microsoft Windows |
| 16:43.58 | h4x0rSx | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 16:44.01 | Greyscale | they're out back smoking a HUGE doobie. |
| 16:44.02 | h4x0rSx | Jump to: navigation, search |
| 16:44.04 | h4x0rSx | “Windows” redirects here. For other uses, see Windows (disambiguation). |
| 16:44.06 | h4x0rSx | Microsoft Windows Windows logo |
| 16:44.08 | h4x0rSx | Screenshot of Windows Vista, the latest release of Microsoft Windows. |
| 16:44.11 | h4x0rSx | Company/developer: Microsoft Corporation |
| 16:44.12 | h4x0rSx | OS family: MS-DOS-based, Windows NT, Windows 9x, Windows CE, Windows 3.1x |
| 16:44.14 | h4x0rSx | Source model: Closed source |
| 16:44.16 | krazykit | naturally, /ignore makes it much more pleasant |
| 16:44.16 | h4x0rSx | Stable release: Windows Vista |
| 16:44.18 | h4x0rSx | NT 6.0 (November 8, 2006) [+/-] |
| 16:44.21 | h4x0rSx | Preview release: Windows Server 2008 |
| 16:44.22 | h4x0rSx | Beta 3 |
| 16:44.23 | spheard | !beer Greyscale |
| 16:44.24 | h4x0rSx | NT 6.0.6001.16510 (April 25, 2007) |
| 16:44.26 | h4x0rSx | Windows Home Server |
| 16:44.29 | h4x0rSx | Release Candidate (June 12, 2007) [+/-] |
| 16:44.32 | h4x0rSx | License: MS-EULA |
| 16:44.34 | h4x0rSx | Working state: Current |
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| 16:44.36 | spheard | !beer Havis |
| 16:44.37 | h4x0rSx | Website: Microsoft Windows |
| 16:44.37 | Azar | h4x0rSx: you are a doggie ms windows licker |
| 16:44.39 | h4x0rSx | Microsoft Windows is the name of several families of proprietary software operating systems by Microsoft. Microsoft first introduced an operating environment named Windows in November 1985 as an add-on to MS-DOS in response to the growing interest in graphical user interfaces (GUI).[1] Microsoft Windows eventually came to dominate the world's personal computer market, overtaking OS/2 and Mac OS which had |
| 16:44.39 | teekay_ | hey |
| 16:44.44 | h4x0rSx | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.44 | zerod | hello |
| 16:44.46 | h4x0rSx | Microsoft Windows |
| 16:44.48 | h4x0rSx | From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
| 16:44.50 | h4x0rSx | Jump to: navigation, search |
| 16:44.52 | h4x0rSx | “Windows” redirects here. For other uses, see Windows (disambiguation). |
| 16:44.53 | asdx | yay, finally ignored him |
| 16:44.59 | socialist | I've always wondered how people that stupid manage to get on IRC |
| 16:44.59 | spheard | !beer zerod |
| 16:45.01 | Azar | thanks! |
| 16:45.06 | peasse | thx |
| 16:45.11 | asdx | socialist: lol |
| 16:45.19 | spheard | !beer socialist |
| 16:45.27 | tbamr | what a d* head |
| 16:45.30 | peasse | well, so i can post again : i have a printer PIXMA IP 1200, and i don't find any driver for that crap in the linuxprinting.org site, what can i do? thanks |
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| 16:45.34 | zerod | dunno |
| 16:45.37 | necro__ | is there a way to get latest kde 3.5.7 in etch? |
| 16:46.00 | Azar | peasse: did you tried googling for "pixma ip 1200 on Debian" ? |
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| 16:46.06 | Greyscale | peasse, is it an allinone? |
| 16:46.08 | socialist | peasse: have you looked at foomatic and cups? |
| 16:46.11 | krazykit | peasse, if there's no driver for that specific model, i'd google for that model to see if it'd work with another driver. canon tends to be somewhat well supported |
| 16:46.42 | peasse | Greyscale : i don't know, it's just an inkjet colour printer |
| 16:46.56 | socialist | whee nuking 3 more production redhat boxes, to be replaced with Debian |
| 16:47.00 | wols | peasse: turboprint supports it but costs money |
| 16:47.06 | peasse | socialist : it's not in foomatic |
| 16:47.09 | bintut | how can i remove parport0 from loading during bootup? i don't need a parallel port and it keeps on appearing when 'cat /proc/interrupts' |
| 16:47.10 | Greyscale | peasse, then there should be a compatable driver |
| 16:47.11 | wols | !prize socialist |
| 16:47.15 | socialist | haha |
| 16:47.18 | Greyscale | google it and see what people say |
| 16:47.19 | Cromag | !paste |
| 16:47.19 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 16:47.24 | Greyscale | !prize wols |
| 16:47.27 | krazykit | bintut, you could blacklist the kernel module |
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| 16:48.06 | peasse | Greyscale : it seems it's supported by TurboPrint, but TurboPrint is not free, am i wrong? |
| 16:48.12 | bintut | krazykit: ok.. i'll try that |
| 16:48.14 | wols | peasse: you ar not wrong |
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| 16:48.20 | socialist | peasse: you also might try raw or plain ole PS or PCL not specific to your printer. I've had lots of luck with random printers that way |
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| 16:48.33 | wols | bintut: why do you care about the driver for it? |
| 16:48.39 | flami | !cocaine please |
| 16:48.40 | dpkg | well, cocaine is what i'm on right now |
| 16:48.48 | flami | hell yeah |
| 16:49.14 | wols | bintut: you won't get the interrupt back blacklisting it: it's an isa device |
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| 16:49.46 | bintut | wols: how can i remove it from appearing in my interrupts? |
| 16:50.32 | Greyscale | bintut, why are you bothering? |
| 16:50.43 | wols | if the driver is not loaded it won't show up there. but it doesn't help you any |
| 16:51.01 | wols | as I said: the interrupt itself is used still, even if you don't load the driver |
| 16:51.05 | flami | !cocaine Greyscale |
| 16:51.11 | flami | aww |
| 16:51.18 | wols | also the driver is benign and doesn't imapct your system at all. so there is no real reason to blacklist it |
| 16:51.42 | peasse | socialist : my printer is detected with the good name by cups, but the raw driver doesn't seems to work |
| 16:51.48 | bintut | i got a few pci slots of this small old box. tdm is a jealous card. so, i need to remove what i don't need |
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| 16:52.33 | bintut | actually only 2 pci slots. 1 for the pcmcia pci card and 1 for the tdm card |
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| 16:53.07 | wols | bintut: I told you, the interrupt won't be freed, since it's an isa device. irq 7 is taken forever |
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| 16:53.17 | bintut | wols: ok |
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| 16:53.30 | bintut | wols: i thought i could. |
| 16:53.47 | wols | unfortunalty IBM PCs are a shitty architecture, so no |
| 16:54.38 | peasse | i really have no chance, each time i try to install something on debian , it's not supported |
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| 16:55.16 | wols | peasse: most linux users check linux compatibility before buying hardware |
| 16:55.30 | peasse | woIs : this was a gift |
| 16:55.38 | peasse | lsusb : Bus 003 Device 013: ID 04a9:10a1 Canon, Inc. |
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| 16:55.50 | necro__ | i386 are good arch |
| 16:55.58 | masterloki | @_@ |
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| 16:57.52 | Spyro_boy | Okay. |
| 16:57.52 | krazykit | peasse, well, welcome to the world of regifting :P |
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| 16:57.59 | Spyro_boy | http://debian.beryl-project.org/ rofl |
| 16:58.08 | towskis | can anyone help with a dns issue, #dns is dead |
| 16:58.11 | Spyro_boy | Any idea what happened to the debian package mirror for Beryl? |
| 16:58.18 | Spyro_boy | It has Osaka painted all over it. |
| 16:58.39 | necro__ | will debian run well on laptop? |
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| 16:58.51 | valdyn | necro__: sure |
| 16:58.51 | krazykit | necro__, yep |
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| 16:59.06 | necro__ | i'm not sure if i will be used to /etc/init.d though |
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| 16:59.12 | necro__ | i'm very used to /etc/rc.d |
| 16:59.18 | necro__ | in bsd |
| 16:59.37 | krazykit | necro__, you'll get used to it. |
| 16:59.46 | necro__ | ok |
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| 17:00.04 | necro__ | i'm dl netinst |
| 17:00.13 | Azar | ..the only gray area left for laptops is the madwifi |
| 17:00.48 | necro__ | wifi is problem for all os |
| 17:00.50 | Azar | which if you have it, dunno how you gonna install the driver while not having a connection |
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| 17:01.16 | necro__ | isn't wifi device detected by kernel? |
| 17:01.27 | Azar | necro__: "madwifi" not wifi |
| 17:01.35 | necro__ | what's that |
| 17:01.37 | necro__ | mad |
| 17:01.41 | krazykit | only if it's built-in. atheros devices need special driver |
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| 17:01.46 | krazykit | necro__, atheros. |
| 17:01.47 | wols | necro__: almost none are. almost all wifi devices need special firmware |
| 17:01.47 | Azar | is some proprietary driver not included in the distros |
| 17:01.48 | Eulex | Azar, use a wired connection for downloading it? transfer with cds/floppies? |
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| 17:01.53 | wols | which debian can't distribute |
| 17:01.55 | necro__ | mine is atheros too |
| 17:01.58 | Matt_O | while troubleshooting some port forwarding problems with TCPDUMP, I've noticed some SMTP traffic which I can't account for. Is there a way I can tell which process the smtp connnections are coming from? they are being initiated but aren't succeeding. I am worried I have some kind of rootkit installed |
| 17:02.04 | necro__ | so im in deep shit |
| 17:02.09 | necro__ | cuz mine is atheros too |
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| 17:02.38 | Matt_O | (netstat shows nothing that I can see) |
| 17:02.46 | RevertTS | does anyone know when that new ipw3945 driver will go to the kernel? |
| 17:02.49 | necro__ | AR5005G on windows |
| 17:02.58 | necro__ | will that device be a problem to debian? |
| 17:03.51 | Azar | Matt_O: maybe this will help you? http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/06/08/1350219 |
| 17:04.17 | Acu | I want to use a Content Management System which runs on Debian, uses Postgresql, PHP, is flexible has nice GUI for administration - any sugestions? |
| 17:04.24 | Azar | necro__: people who use laptops might know the workaround |
| 17:04.25 | necro__ | so what should i do now if i have an atheros AR5005G wireless card |
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| 17:04.36 | benoitc | hi |
| 17:04.44 | lambda | it's debianDay today ? |
| 17:04.58 | necro__ | it's debian day everyday |
| 17:05.18 | dfa001 | lambda, yes it is |
| 17:05.34 | necro__ | debianDay? |
| 17:05.36 | flami | yes worship the holy debian |
| 17:05.36 | necro__ | what's that |
| 17:05.48 | Matt_O | Azar, I didn't see anything on there about sniffing network traffic |
| 17:05.48 | dfa001 | lambda, http://streams.video.debconf.org:8000/ Live video streams from the conference |
| 17:05.51 | lambda | dfa001, from which event is it linked ? |
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| 17:06.07 | dfa001 | its the first day of DebConf7 |
| 17:06.12 | wols | necro__: you need to use madwifi |
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| 17:06.28 | Azar | Matt_O: maybe you can pinpoint a running process that it should not be there |
| 17:06.30 | necro__ | is madwifi included in netinst iso? |
| 17:06.34 | wols | !madwifi |
| 17:06.34 | dpkg | madwifi is, like, a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
| 17:06.36 | wols | necro__: no |
| 17:06.44 | Matt_O | Azar, ah I see what you mean |
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| 17:06.59 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 17:07.02 | tarzeau | Azar: salam! |
| 17:07.11 | Azar | tarzeau: bologna! |
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| 17:07.17 | tarzeau | dfa001: do those streams work with mplayer too? |
| 17:07.23 | necro__ | so how do i netinst debian from notebook of atheros |
| 17:07.26 | tarzeau | dfa001: they didn't, when i tried |
| 17:07.33 | dfa001 | tarzeau, im watching it in VLC right now |
| 17:07.42 | tarzeau | dfa001: but i don't like gtk/vlc |
| 17:07.56 | dfa001 | tarzeau, ah. one sec then |
| 17:08.00 | wols | necro__: you cannot |
| 17:08.12 | Azar | necro__: I guess you can install it from the actual OS you have... but after installation... your madwifi might not work (not recognized) |
| 17:08.21 | wols | get 1st debian CD, and download madwifi from non-free |
| 17:08.29 | dfa001 | tarzeau, the only stream with anything going on is the Upper BoF talk room |
| 17:08.34 | necro__ | and then |
| 17:08.45 | wols | and use the m-a and gc on the first cd to compile your madwifi drivr |
| 17:09.03 | dnanar | im trying to use a SIP software (X-ten). I can call without problem someone, I hear him, but he do not hear me. Does anyone know how to know what's going wrong please ? =) |
| 17:09.25 | RichiH | hmm |
| 17:09.37 | wols | dnanar: you checked your micro is working (e.g. in other software)? |
| 17:09.44 | Azar | dnanar: thats the software you are trying to use to be asked (not part of Debian system) |
| 17:09.54 | RichiH | does anyone have troubles installing cpio 2.8-1 on sid? |
| 17:10.00 | RichiH | seems broken |
| 17:10.08 | dnanar | wols: do you have any software that may check that please ? |
| 17:10.19 | tarzeau | RichiH: no? |
| 17:10.21 | wols | dnanar: audacity should be able to record |
| 17:10.24 | cydork | dfa001: it's working with mplayer.. |
| 17:10.26 | tarzeau | RichiH: ii cpio 2.8-1 GNU cpio -- a program to manage archives of |
| 17:10.35 | tarzeau | cydork: full commandline? mplayer version? |
| 17:10.56 | dnanar | wols: do you have more lightweight software please ? =) |
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| 17:11.03 | h3sp4wn | necro__: You can use grml to install pure debian |
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| 17:11.38 | spheard | wow, exim4' brill |
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| 17:11.44 | twobitsprite | I have two graphics cards on my laptop... one which is connected to the built-in LCD screen, and another connected to a VGA port... |
| 17:12.00 | wols | h3sp4wn: dpkg's factoid about grml doesn't look like it's debian |
| 17:12.05 | twobitsprite | currently, linux is defaulting to using the former, how do I get it to use the latter? |
| 17:12.11 | wols | kinda like a knoppix "debian install" |
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| 17:12.14 | xand | goddamit |
| 17:12.22 | h3sp4wn | wols: debian2hd installs pure debian |
| 17:12.33 | xand | one of my machines boots as far as "savedefault" and then reboots :| |
| 17:12.39 | h3sp4wn | wols: (uses debootstrap) |
| 17:12.41 | RichiH | hmm |
| 17:12.54 | RichiH | how does your /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/mt look like? |
| 17:12.55 | xand | oh I know why |
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| 17:13.02 | necro__ | will installation cd fit on 650MB? |
| 17:13.07 | xand | it's a 686 kernel but the processor is only 586 |
| 17:13.11 | RichiH | i only see lots of @@@@@@ |
| 17:13.22 | xand | gah |
| 17:13.44 | xand | or install CD |
| 17:13.46 | Azar | necro__: if you will need the full desktop will take between 2-3GB |
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| 17:13.51 | dfa001 | tarzeau, did you get it working? |
| 17:13.57 | RichiH | alternatively, how can i force update-alternatives to rebuild the file? |
| 17:14.07 | tarzeau | dfa001: reading the schedules on the talks. didn't try yet |
| 17:14.24 | dfa001 | ah ok, they are discussing how broken bzr.debian.org is right now |
| 17:14.34 | dfa001 | nothing else is going on though |
| 17:14.38 | tarzeau | dfa001: i don't care, since i don't use bzr/svn/cvs :) |
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| 17:14.42 | dfa001 | =P |
| 17:14.44 | wols | RichiH: http://paste.debian.net/30678 |
| 17:14.45 | tarzeau | dfa001: are the webcams/photos? |
| 17:14.59 | dfa001 | video cameras, full resolution |
| 17:15.06 | necro__ | so which cd do i need for laptop atheros |
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| 17:15.14 | necro__ | madwifi is it? |
| 17:15.22 | wols | necro__:cd1. and the madwifi package(s) fron non-free |
| 17:15.37 | spheard | !scotland |
| 17:15.37 | dpkg | it has been said that scotland is a place in the uk |
| 17:15.38 | necro__ | i'll need to compile madwifi package ? |
| 17:15.49 | cydork | tarzeau: you just have to use the filename.ogg part ;) |
| 17:15.50 | wols | yes |
| 17:16.00 | RichiH | wols: that is very different from mine |
| 17:16.06 | tarzeau | cydork: i did |
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| 17:16.06 | wols | necro__: dpkg pasted a factoid |
| 17:16.07 | RichiH | obviously |
| 17:16.14 | wols | RichiH: sid. just installed cpio right now |
| 17:16.20 | tarzeau | cydork: it didn't work, maybe they weren't streaming when i tried (few hours ago, from homelink) |
| 17:16.41 | wols | necro__: and that factoid pointed you what to do to see install instructions |
| 17:16.42 | tarzeau | cydork: gonna try when back (i'm in a low-ping gamer lan right now, so no big downloads, or only with trickle -d 100) |
| 17:16.45 | RichiH | wols: do you know what exactly that file is supposed to do? |
| 17:16.51 | RichiH | i.e. if i can simply copy yours? |
| 17:17.06 | wols | RichiH: no clue :) all i did was honoring your request :) |
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| 17:17.26 | wols | but it doesn't look specific to my system at all |
| 17:17.45 | wols | what error do you get with cpio? |
| 17:21.38 | wols | and what can't be fixed by purging cpio and reinstalling? |
| 17:21.38 | necro__ | so what's in that 21 isos, dam |
| 17:21.38 | wols | necro__: why do you care? you don't need them |
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| 17:21.38 | l0rdbalthazar | How do you change the default output of alsa? I have 2 sound cards and it's using the wrong one. |
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| 17:21.38 | RichiH | wols: i don't want to purge as _much_ stuff depends on it |
| 17:21.39 | wols | on cpio? |
| 17:21.39 | RichiH | wols: i reinstalled both dpkg and cpio, neither helped |
| 17:21.39 | h3sp4wn | l0rdbalthazar: You can either use asoundconf or just 'echo options snd-hda-intel index=-2|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base' replace snd-hda-intel with the one you don't want grabbing index 0 |
| 17:21.39 | wols | the alternatives/mt is not installed by cpio :( |
| 17:21.39 | wols | or at least dpkg doesn't know who creates it |
| 17:21.39 | RichiH | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.39 | RichiH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:21.39 | RichiH | wols: sorry for pasting directly, but cli sucks for paste sites |
| 17:21.39 | necro__ | what s default booter in deb |
| 17:21.39 | twobitsprite | what is the prefered way to get debian to not start gdm at boot? (i.e. to run in "text" mode") |
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| 17:21.58 | l0rdbalthazar | r3set: when I use asoundconf list, it doesn't show any cards. But everything else does. |
| 17:22.01 | RichiH | wols: update-alternatives complains about the file |
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| 17:22.08 | twobitsprite | I see that debian defaults to runlevel 2, can I just change the default runlevel to something else? |
| 17:22.18 | RichiH | so i am guessing it is coming from dpkg's own package |
| 17:22.27 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
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| 17:22.38 | unlink | what's a good consumer webcam that works well with debian unstable? |
| 17:22.48 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: and to put it back I just s/remove/add ? |
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| 17:22.57 | tarzeau | RichiH: let me guess, you use aptitude? |
| 17:23.01 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: s/remove/defaults |
| 17:23.09 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 17:23.18 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: or you can dpkg-reconfigure gdm (and that will let you put it back also) |
| 17:23.24 | r3set | l0rdbalthazar: /etc/asound.conf |
| 17:23.27 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: cool |
| 17:23.34 | RichiH | tarzeau: no |
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| 17:23.48 | l0rdbalthazar | r3set: doesn't exist |
| 17:24.22 | r3set | l0rdbalthazar: what distribution are u using? |
| 17:24.30 | l0rdbalthazar | Debian Etch |
| 17:24.48 | h3sp4wn | l0rdbalthazar: The easiest way is the second one (or just look at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base the bottom part) |
| 17:25.47 | h3sp4wn | l0rdbalthazar: (Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0) just add the driver you don't want to grab index 0 to the bottom using the same syntax |
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| 17:26.06 | l0rdbalthazar | Ok. I'll look at it |
| 17:26.38 | RichiH | wols: your version worked |
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| 17:27.43 | l0rdbalthazar | h3sp4wn: what do you mean? They all have -1 |
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| 17:28.05 | twobitsprite | hmm... X -configure doesn't seem to detect my other monitor or device... |
| 17:28.20 | h3sp4wn | l0rdbalthazar: I told you what I mean - what don't you understand |
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| 17:28.46 | l0rdbalthazar | You said to follow the same syntax to not allow it to grab 0. They all have -1. Doesn't that mean they can't grab 0? |
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| 17:29.17 | h3sp4wn | l0rdbalthazar: Yes - from lsmod you can find out the snd-foo-bar to add |
| 17:29.37 | wols | RichiH: thought so. those files are basically entries in some sort of DB |
| 17:29.38 | l0rdbalthazar | h3sp4wn: oh ok. i thought you meant to change one. |
| 17:29.45 | h3sp4wn | l0rdbalthazar: options snd-usb-audio index=-1 (or whatever) |
| 17:29.56 | wols | twobitsprite: it never will. dual head needs to configure it manually |
| 17:30.02 | wols | drxx can't do it |
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| 17:30.19 | twobitsprite | wols: hmm... the gentoo howto said that X -configure would detect it |
| 17:30.22 | h3sp4wn | l0rdbalthazar: (on my box they are -2 but if on etch they are -1 use that) |
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| 17:30.44 | twobitsprite | wols: have any links or resources for how to do dual heads? |
| 17:30.49 | wols | twobitsprite: there is no X -configure in debian |
| 17:31.03 | wols | twobitsprite: xinerama, twinview, etc |
| 17:31.07 | twobitsprite | wols: well... there is; as in, it ran and created a config file |
| 17:31.08 | wols | depends on your videochip(s) |
| 17:31.40 | twobitsprite | wols: which should I use for Intel Mobile video card? |
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| 17:31.54 | wols | twobitsprite: i810 |
| 17:32.04 | wols | using xinerama |
| 17:32.08 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: are you using etch ? |
| 17:32.10 | wols | gogle for the xinerama howto |
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| 17:32.40 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: lenny |
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| 17:34.57 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: what version of - xserver-xorg-video-intel do you have ? |
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| 17:35.25 | Daejeo1 | network boot business card-cd- does it has kernel 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 17:35.44 | spheard | /dpkg |
| 17:35.47 | krazykit | for etch, it should have 2.6 |
| 17:35.51 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: not installed...? |
| 17:35.58 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: should I install it? |
| 17:36.24 | towskis | anyone know why some domain servers refuse requests |
| 17:36.28 | Daejeo1 | krazykit: i made the cd fe w months ago |
| 17:36.33 | Daejeo1 | i installed it |
| 17:36.41 | Daejeo1 | it is saying 2.4 |
| 17:36.50 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: I am not sure what is in lenny and what isn't - but the new intel driver should make what you want to do alot easier |
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| 17:37.04 | krazykit | Daejeo1, sounds like you have sarge then. |
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| 17:37.16 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: it has no installation candidate... |
| 17:37.26 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: You have xserver-xorg-core 1.3 right ? |
| 17:37.28 | Daejeo1 | krazykit: I need 2.6 |
| 17:37.35 | Daejeo1 | what shoul I do? |
| 17:37.47 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: should I try xserver-xorg-video-i810? |
| 17:37.52 | krazykit | Daejeo1, install it. 2.6.8 was available in sarge, i believe |
| 17:38.12 | wols | Daejeo1: boot wit "linux26" as parameter |
| 17:38.18 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: I think not all of the new version of X is in lenny yet |
| 17:38.21 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: I have version 1.1 of xserver-xorg-core |
| 17:38.26 | wols | and yes, 2.6.8 is available in sarge |
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| 17:39.01 | Daejeo1 | krazykit: wols: will it update the modules? |
| 17:39.05 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: according to - http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/xserver-xorg-core |
| 17:39.07 | Salihu | Does the find command have a configuration file? |
| 17:39.16 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: You should have the newer version |
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| 17:40.05 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: installing... |
| 17:40.19 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: yes, the new 1.3 version is now installed |
| 17:40.23 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: but the newer video driver to go with it is only in unstable |
| 17:40.35 | twobitsprite | ohh |
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| 17:40.47 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: (but it is the only one that actually works properly with xrandr 1.2)_ |
| 17:41.15 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: so... I either need to move up to sid or not have dual video? |
| 17:41.20 | muhoo | what is the proper, modern (unstable), kernel 2.6.21 -era, way to make ALSA properly index sound cards? |
| 17:41.24 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: or can I still get it to work? |
| 17:41.41 | muhoo | i tried adding index= to /etc/modutils, and it ain't workin'/ |
| 17:41.45 | muhoo | options snd-hda-intel index=0 |
| 17:41.46 | muhoo | options snd-usb-audio index=1,2 vid=0763,0763 pid=2003,0199 |
| 17:42.07 | muhoo | that's what alsa docs say to do. but, no dice. |
| 17:42.13 | karmatronic | muhoo: use /etc/modprobe.d directory |
| 17:42.14 | muhoo | is udev the culprit here? |
| 17:42.40 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: are you fully upto date (with the new libc etc) |
| 17:42.42 | karmatronic | muhoo: create a file named sound with the wanted options |
| 17:42.43 | muhoo | karmatronic: they are symlinks |
| 17:42.48 | muhoo | i did. |
| 17:42.57 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: should I dist-upgrade? |
| 17:43.16 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: last dist-upgrade was about a week ago..? not sure why xcore was out of date though... |
| 17:43.27 | muhoo | hmm, wait, they aren't symlinks, they've just got identical content in them. weird. |
| 17:43.51 | muhoo | what is the difference between /etc/modutils and /etc/modprobe.d ? why do i have both? |
| 17:44.07 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: I would - then you could probably in this case get away with using the version that is in unstable directly |
| 17:44.21 | karmatronic | muhoo: i dont use modutils , modprobe,d works fine |
| 17:45.34 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: ok, upgrading... now, to use the version from unstable, should I download the .deb? |
| 17:45.34 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: where would I get it? |
| 17:45.34 | twobitsprite | !ping |
| 17:45.34 | dpkg | pong |
| 17:45.35 | twobitsprite | ok, thought I lost my connection :P |
| 17:46.01 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: packages.debian.org - do man xrandr (look at the 1.2 options you get those if you use that video driver) |
| 17:46.29 | muhoo | weird. nope, it just doesn't work |
| 17:46.45 | Daejeo1 | can anyone point me to network boot base system-cd? |
| 17:46.47 | flami | twobitsprite, you can backport packages wit apt-get -b source packagename |
| 17:46.49 | muhoo | the card that is supposed to get index 1, gets index 0 when it starts up. |
| 17:46.50 | karmatronic | muhoo: modprobe.d seems to be for 2.6 kernels |
| 17:47.01 | karmatronic | muhoo: anyway , did you run update-modules |
| 17:47.02 | Daejeo1 | Etch). |
| 17:47.57 | twobitsprite | flami: source being a .deb file? or a repo name? |
| 17:48.09 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: You can backport - I don't think its necessary in this case though |
| 17:48.13 | flami | source is the command , |
| 17:48.25 | muhoo | yep. a long time ago |
| 17:48.31 | flami | -b source gives you a backported .deb from the source |
| 17:48.47 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: (and its possible some of the -dev packages are not yet in lenny so you might build a broken version) |
| 17:48.49 | muhoo | and the correct entries appear in /etc/modules.conf |
| 17:48.52 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: no? what should I do then? |
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| 17:49.06 | muhoo | though, running update-modules gives me this: |
| 17:49.07 | muhoo | Architecture-specific modutils configuration for x86_64 not found, using default |
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| 17:50.10 | muhoo | hmm. |
| 17:50.12 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-intel/xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.0.0-1_i386.deb |
| 17:50.22 | muhoo | update-modules just calls /sbin/update-modules.modutils! |
| 17:50.35 | muhoo | not /sbin/update-modules.modprobe.d |
| 17:50.59 | Daejeo1 | ? Etch |
| 17:51.14 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.55 | muhoo | are you *sure* that /etc/modprobe.d is the right plae? it seems to be irrelevant. |
| 17:52.05 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: just install that? (I tried that apt-get backport thing, but it doesn't like it |
| 17:52.06 | muhoo | this is on unstable |
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| 17:53.07 | twobitsprite | ) |
| 17:53.22 | x_link | Doesn't "chmod 777 /mnt/sedde" makes it writable? |
| 17:53.42 | x_link | I installed a new SATA driver yesterday, but now when I rebooted it's not writeable anymore. |
| 17:54.20 | wols | x_link: how did you format it? wht fs? |
| 17:54.26 | muhoo | ok, to hell with modprobe/modutils/modules.conf/modprobe.d/whatever. i manually loaded the drivers, giving those arguments on the modprobe command line |
| 17:54.27 | x_link | ext3 |
| 17:54.34 | x_link | /dev/sda1 /mnt/sedde ext3 user,auto,rw,exec 0 0 |
| 17:54.39 | x_link | Looks like that in my /etc/fstab |
| 17:54.40 | muhoo | and it *still* does not correctly assign indexes to the devices. |
| 17:54.42 | muhoo | wtf? |
| 17:54.44 | x_link | I added that line. |
| 17:54.46 | wols | x_link: then you don't need to do anything with chmod |
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| 17:55.01 | x_link | wols: hmmm.. but I can't do anything on /mnt/edde |
| 17:55.09 | x_link | wols: And I alreayd did that with chmod =/ |
| 17:55.09 | wols | set the options to defaults,user |
| 17:55.21 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: Yeah (I thought you would run into trouble with the backport) - if you really want to do that read /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 17:55.29 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: ok, I dpkg installed the .deb you gave me... do I still need xinerama |
| 17:55.33 | twobitsprite | ? |
| 17:55.46 | twobitsprite | or was the driver so that xorg would be able to do it normally? |
| 17:56.18 | Mole | i got a drive in /etc/fstab that doesnt mount at boot but when i do "mount -a" it does get mounted..what could be wrong? doesnt give any errors |
| 17:56.27 | x_link | wols: /dev/sda1 /mnt/sedde ext3 defaults, user,auto,rw,exec 0 0 |
| 17:56.27 | muhoo | modprobe -c shows that my index parameters *are* getting correctly identified by modprobe, and it is coming from /etc/modutils |
| 17:56.29 | x_link | Like that? |
| 17:56.32 | wols | x_link: and pass should be 2, not 0 |
| 17:56.46 | wols | no not like that. only defaults,user. and no spaces |
| 17:57.25 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: Just get X up and running (with that new driver) |
| 17:57.43 | muhoo | dammit! |
| 17:57.45 | muhoo | wtf? |
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| 17:58.06 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: xrandr 1.2 should allow you to set it up (now you have a compatible driver) |
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| 17:58.26 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: holy crap, it works! :) |
| 17:58.55 | x_link | wols: So I shoulld only use defaults,user 2 2 ? |
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| 17:59.14 | x_link | dev/sda1 /mnt/sedde ext3 defaults,user 2 2 |
| 17:59.16 | x_link | Like that? |
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| 17:59.28 | x_link | /dev/sda1 even |
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| 17:59.56 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: ok, so xrandr is a commandline thing... does it modify the xorg.conf, or do I have to run it everytime I load X? |
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| 18:01.14 | wols | x_link: no you should not. read what I wrote,don't make shit up. where does your 2nd 2 come from? |
| 18:01.36 | wols | I said pass set to 2 and ai didn't say anything about dump, did I? |
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| 18:02.42 | valdyn | twobitsprite: its not saved by xrandr, however gnome and kde each can save display resolutions with their own tools ( if they would save things set with xrandr i dont know ) |
| 18:02.52 | necro__ | in debian partition menu, how come i can't specify partition size? |
| 18:03.00 | karmatronic | muhoo: what are you trying to do ? |
| 18:03.21 | x_link | wols: Okej, sorry. Don't think I understood you right. |
| 18:03.33 | x_link | /dev/sda1 /mnt/sedde ext3 defaults,user,auto,rw,exec 2 Like that? |
| 18:03.45 | muhoo | karmatronic: i am trying to get a particular USB audio device to always come up as hw:1,0 |
| 18:03.51 | wols | since you obviously can't read |
| 18:03.56 | muhoo | and another one to always come up as hw:2,0 |
| 18:04.09 | wols | x_link: not to mention that line is malformed |
| 18:04.14 | necro__ | does anyone know how to specify partiton size in installation menu? |
| 18:04.18 | x_link | wols: Sorry, I will get some rest. Have stomache flu and I can't consentrate. |
| 18:04.32 | wols | necro__: manual partitioning for example |
| 18:04.44 | wols | it will ask you how muhc to allocate and where (beginning or end) |
| 18:04.45 | valdyn | muhoo: are you using the index in /etc/modprobe.d/somefile ? |
| 18:04.53 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.00 | necro__ | it doesn't |
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| 18:05.10 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.11 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.15 | wols | necro__: it does |
| 18:05.21 | HyperDevil | how can i compress and give a password to a tar file? |
| 18:05.23 | valdyn | muhoo: you use a 2.4 kernel? |
| 18:05.26 | muhoo | update-modules does *not* have anything to do with /etc/modprobe.d |
| 18:05.28 | necro__ | on my ide1 master, #2 primary i hvae 20G |
| 18:05.31 | wols | also here is a guided tour where it asks you. if all else fails: expert install |
| 18:05.39 | muhoo | i've looked at the source code of the shell script. go have a look if you don't beleive me |
| 18:05.44 | valdyn | muhoo: that's right, update-modules is obsolete |
| 18:05.50 | wols | HyperDevil: you compress with -z or -j |
| 18:05.50 | necro__ | but when i press enter |
| 18:05.51 | muhoo | !!!!!! |
| 18:05.51 | dpkg | !!!!! is probably "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 18:05.54 | valdyn | muhoo: uname -r |
| 18:05.59 | muhoo | valdyn: ok, what is the modern way!?? |
| 18:06.01 | wols | for a password: encrypt it, e.g. with gpg |
| 18:06.05 | muhoo | 2.6.21-rt1-1 |
| 18:06.32 | necro__ | so what swap size should i use for my 768MB ram? |
| 18:06.36 | valdyn | muhoo: you create a file of your choice in /etc/modprobe.d/, it should come _after_ the alsa files in there ( alphabetically i guess ) |
| 18:07.15 | muhoo | valdyn: i have that there too. but, on unstable. update-modules is present (why??, if it is obsolete?). and it uses /etc/modutils |
| 18:07.25 | valdyn | necro__: 1G is fine for about anything, are you low on available space? |
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| 18:07.41 | valdyn | muhoo: i dont know or care, its useless / pointless |
| 18:07.57 | valdyn | muhoo: im certain about ^^^ |
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| 18:08.24 | xerophyte | where can i find more update wireless howtop the one on the tldp is very old 2002? |
| 18:08.41 | muhoo | ok, well then i have the correct file in the correct place, in /etc/modprobe.d, as you say |
| 18:08.57 | h3sp4wn | xerophyte: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz or man wireless |
| 18:09.04 | valdyn | muhoo: one thing: debians module tools STILL support both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, so if you ran a 2.4 kernel it might be relevant |
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| 18:09.23 | muhoo | ah, ok, thanks. that makes sense then. |
| 18:09.42 | h3sp4wn | Is it possible to run 2.4 kernel on unstable now (I don't think it is) ? |
| 18:09.54 | muhoo | but, anyway, even if i manually pass the parameters to modprobe, bypassing /etc/mod[whatever], it still does not correctly index the devices |
| 18:10.02 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: its possible, many things might not work though |
| 18:10.14 | muhoo | it, being in this case, the snd-usb-audio driver |
| 18:10.31 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i have the need to connect via ssh a machine that is behind a firewall (which i can't interfere with)...so how can i do it? if i try to ssh the machine from outside i get nowere is there any other way? |
| 18:10.35 | h3sp4wn | valdyn: I thought with glibc 2.5+ it couldn't work |
| 18:10.38 | geolr | Hi there! I had a look on W.Borgerts Debian Reference Card and liked it very much! http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ Is it applicable to Etch? Latest version was released in 2005. |
| 18:11.13 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: i didnt think that affected all apps |
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| 18:11.21 | muhoo | ah, cool, i see |
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| 18:11.29 | suprano | Hi there |
| 18:11.32 | muhoo | modprobe -c shows that it is indeed reading /etc/modprobe.d, not /etc/modutils |
| 18:11.43 | valdyn | muhoo: udev might take care of this too.. let me see |
| 18:12.02 | muhoo | valdyn: thank you! that's what i suspected (and feared) |
| 18:12.17 | valdyn | muhoo: it does not seem to |
| 18:12.30 | valdyn | muhoo: it works fine for me btw |
| 18:12.33 | suprano | my xserver just crashed and i had to restart. Now x isn't starting anymore. Log says module nvidia not found. though it is loaded. i recompiled it and reloaded, but nothing changed |
| 18:12.42 | muhoo | GAH! |
| 18:12.47 | muhoo | it does not not not work at all for me |
| 18:12.47 | valdyn | muhoo: are you sure you arent just tring to add a hw:0,0 when there already IS ONE |
| 18:12.56 | muhoo | nope. |
| 18:13.08 | muhoo | basically, the devices are assigned indexes in order that i plug them in |
| 18:13.10 | valdyn | muhoo: `cat /proc/asound/devices` knows |
| 18:13.17 | valdyn | muhoo: yes |
| 18:13.28 | muhoo | if i plug in device "A" first, it gets hw:0,0 |
| 18:13.32 | muhoo | if i plug in device "B" first, it gets hw:0,0 |
| 18:13.51 | muhoo | regardless of what silly ideas modprobe has about the index/vid/pid parameters to snd-usb-audio |
| 18:13.58 | valdyn | muhoo: show me _all_ the relevant lines in the files |
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| 18:14.08 | valdyn | !paste |
| 18:14.08 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:14.30 | muhoo | valdyn: cool. which files, other than /proc/asound/devices ? |
| 18:14.43 | valdyn | muhoo: the ones in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 18:14.43 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: hmm... when I first ran "startx" as root, I had both monitors at a high resolution... but when I reboot into gdm and login as my user, I only get the external monitor at a low resolution... |
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| 18:14.56 | valdyn | muhoo: that does include /etc/modprobe.d/alsa* and whatever else you added |
| 18:15.00 | muhoo | you want a tarball of the directory? or the output of modprobe -c ? |
| 18:15.20 | valdyn | muhoo: ah, a tarball of the whole thing is ok |
| 18:15.42 | Thms | :paste |
| 18:15.43 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: what about if you just run startx as a user ? |
| 18:15.45 | Thms | !paste |
| 18:15.45 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:15.50 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: (without gdm) |
| 18:16.01 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: is there an easy way to stop gdm with out rebooting? |
| 18:16.08 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: /etc/init.d/gdm stop? |
| 18:16.13 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: yeah |
| 18:16.15 | twobitsprite | brb |
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| 18:17.11 | muhoo | valdyn: http://www.restivo.org/misc/modprobe.d.tar.gz |
| 18:17.16 | necro__ | how much disk space will this setup take? debian etch + kde |
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| 18:17.35 | twobitsprite | ack... I started X, then killed it, and now my text-mode is all messed up |
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| 18:17.46 | wols | necro__: a GB or two |
| 18:17.50 | twobitsprite | like, it's stuck in the wrong sync or something |
| 18:18.01 | wols | probably around 1GB, but allocate 2 to be on the safe side |
| 18:18.03 | necro__ | but why kubuntu dude says i need 10G |
| 18:18.12 | necro__ | isn't kubuntu = debian+kde? |
| 18:18.12 | bolt | what package provides named? |
| 18:18.16 | wols | I don't care. ask kubuntu |
| 18:18.27 | wols | bolt: bind9. why do you need a nameserver? |
| 18:18.33 | twobitsprite | it's flickering and the bottom part of the screen is drawn over the top part.... |
| 18:18.33 | muhoo | !tell necro__ about kubuntu |
| 18:18.33 | wols | necro__: no |
| 18:18.33 | ustunozgur | necro__: no it's not: |
| 18:18.36 | wols | !kubuntu |
| 18:18.36 | dpkg | i guess kubuntu is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu, or another debian ripoff |
| 18:18.42 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 18:18.42 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 18:18.53 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: Are you using the framebuffer ? |
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| 18:18.57 | wols | ubuntu is a very different distro |
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| 18:19.03 | bolt | wols: i don't. but i'm running one. think i made a mistake and checked it while i was installing. |
| 18:19.03 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: not sure... |
| 18:19.17 | necro__ | i thought it's debian based? |
| 18:19.27 | xand | ian murdoch says ubuntu is debian so it must be ;) |
| 18:19.35 | muhoo | necro__: half of the linux world is debian based :-) |
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| 18:19.53 | valdyn | muhoo: /proc/asound/devices ? |
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| 18:20.16 | bolt | wols: ah. there it went. thanks :) |
| 18:20.20 | muhoo | valdyn: with the devices plugged in in which order? |
| 18:20.25 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: I think the gnome in lenny is still 2.14 (which is not going to know about the new xrandr)_ |
| 18:20.34 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: how do I know if I'm using a framebuffer? |
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| 18:20.48 | muhoo | valdyn: in other words, do you want me to plug the devices in in the order that matches my /etc/modprobe.d/sound, or in a different order, to show how it breaks? |
| 18:21.06 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: gah.... |
| 18:21.11 | valdyn | muhoo: those driver modules dont get remove when you unplug |
| 18:21.15 | twobitsprite | maybe I should just upgrade to sid? |
| 18:21.16 | valdyn | muhoo: is that your real issue? |
| 18:21.34 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.49 | wols | twobitsprite: why would you need to? |
| 18:21.51 | muhoo | but basically, i need the usb devices to get assignes a particular index, by alsa, every time i plug them in |
| 18:21.53 | valdyn | muhoo: i know, im talking about the cause |
| 18:22.05 | valdyn | muhoo: not removing the driver, the index cant be changed. |
| 18:22.07 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 18:22.08 | twobitsprite | wuiit seems like everything I need is in sid... |
| 18:22.27 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.29 | valdyn | muhoo: and since unplugging the device does not remove the driver, replugging wont change the index value |
| 18:22.31 | muhoo | i do NOT want that |
| 18:22.38 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: root=/dev/sda2 ro |
| 18:22.42 | wols | twobitsprite: why do you need stuff from sid? |
| 18:22.55 | muhoo | no, rmmod'ing the driver, and reloading it, will cause it to use the new index, vid, pid parameters passed |
| 18:22.56 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: That means you are not using one |
| 18:22.57 | twobitsprite | h3 so... no? |
| 18:22.58 | muhoo | that is not the issue |
| 18:23.16 | twobitsprite | wols: I'm trying to use dual monitors... it seems like everything that supports it is in sid |
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| 18:24.00 | valdyn | muhoo: 'new' means 'correct' ? |
| 18:24.01 | muhoo | valdyn: the issue is, the driver should not need to be loaded unloaded reloaded whatever. these are usb devices. alsa docs say that the index, vid, and pid parameters can be used in order to cause that driver to assign hw:x,0 indexes to devices on a consistent basis |
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| 18:24.27 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: so... do I need the new gnome from sid to use xrandr properly? |
| 18:24.28 | muhoo | valdyn: "new" means, if you're testing or trying parameters |
| 18:24.33 | xand | who was it asking about disabling their parallel port? you could do so in the bios to save an IRQ, no? |
| 18:24.37 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: No you just don't need to use gdm |
| 18:24.46 | muhoo | valdyn: btw, here's the /proc/asound http://paste.debian.net/30684 |
| 18:24.55 | xand | oh he left |
| 18:25.01 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: xdm instead? |
| 18:25.17 | twobitsprite | or... just login from console, and startx? |
| 18:25.31 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: does logging in from the console and startx work ? |
| 18:25.38 | Scurz | you http://www.choixpc.com/cartemere.jpg in english ? (sorry, i search a translation because i am french.) |
| 18:25.55 | Scurz | How know as you http://www.choixpc.com/cartemere.jpg in english ? (sorry, i search a translation because i am french.)* |
| 18:26.01 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: at first it does, it seems, until gnome finishes loading, in which case it stops displaying on the built-in monitor |
| 18:26.06 | xand | !fr |
| 18:26.06 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:26.15 | Scurz | xand: no no. grrr. |
| 18:26.24 | Scurz | xand: I search a translation for this word ! |
| 18:26.30 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: unfortunately I know nothing about gnome |
| 18:26.35 | xand | Scurz: which word? |
| 18:26.38 | xand | Scurz: motherboard? |
| 18:26.42 | wols | Scurz: motherboard, mainboard |
| 18:26.51 | Scurz | Okay, thanks, it's this word. ;-) |
| 18:26.52 | valdyn | muhoo: /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload, then show that /proc/asound/devices again, it looks jsut broken currently |
| 18:27.03 | twobitsprite | I'm going to reboot, this flicker is driving me crazy |
| 18:27.04 | twobitsprite | brb |
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| 18:27.14 | valdyn | muhoo: guess you used rmmod, whic is illegal, unhealthy, causes cancer |
| 18:27.20 | valdyn | !rmmod |
| 18:27.21 | dpkg | well, rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' instead |
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| 18:28.02 | valdyn | !insmod |
| 18:28.03 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 18:28.03 | muhoo | valdyn: here http://paste.debian.net/30685 |
| 18:28.14 | Scurz | |
| 18:28.16 | Scurz | oops |
| 18:28.21 | necro__ | how to turn off Y/n in apt-get install so it's default to yes |
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| 18:28.38 | muhoo | jeebus, more cruft! |
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| 18:28.48 | muhoo | why isn't rmmod removed from the distro then? |
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| 18:28.53 | valdyn | muhoo: still same shit, i would reboot. |
| 18:29.10 | valdyn | muhoo: its for people who know what they do in cases where they needed |
| 18:29.21 | muhoo | fack. alias rmmod='modprobe -r' |
| 18:29.21 | necro__ | if i apt-get install something, can i use aptitude to uninstall it later? |
| 18:29.22 | valdyn | muhoo: just like rm -rf /, it has its purpose |
| 18:29.43 | Dopao | existing fedora core in spanish? |
| 18:29.45 | Dopao | :S |
| 18:30.00 | Dopao | or debian in spanish? |
| 18:30.31 | wols | Dopao: set your locales properly |
| 18:31.34 | Dopao | i dont untherthands sorry |
| 18:31.39 | Dopao | i dont speack inglish |
| 18:31.43 | Dopao | im from chile. |
| 18:31.49 | Dopao | south america. |
| 18:31.53 | wols | !es |
| 18:31.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:31.53 | muhoo | heh, that's a great picture: http://www.choixpc.com/overcloc.jpg |
| 18:32.00 | Dopao | thanks |
| 18:32.02 | wols | Dopao: http://www.linex.org/ |
| 18:32.26 | muhoo | valdyn: thanks, but this is linux, not windoze. i don't reboot :-) |
| 18:32.50 | muhoo | unless i upgrade a kernel, which is very very rare |
| 18:32.59 | muhoo | anyway, i've hacked around it. |
| 18:32.59 | valdyn | muhoo: im not going to walk you thru reloading all alsa modules properly. Rebooting is easier. But do what you want. |
| 18:33.23 | muhoo | etc/init.d/alsa force-reload does it properly |
| 18:33.34 | karmatronic | muhoo: i agree |
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| 18:33.59 | twobitsprite | much better |
| 18:34.03 | muhoo | anyway, i hacked around it. i blacklisted the snd-hda-intel, because it sucks anyway |
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| 18:34.14 | karmatronic | muhoo: it sucks |
| 18:34.19 | karmatronic | muhoo: i use it ... |
| 18:34.38 | muhoo | then i just made my external sound interface index 0, and made a mental note to always turn it on first |
| 18:34.39 | Scurz | xand: and, you say "chart network" for http://www.trilport-depannage-informatique.com/images/creseau.jpg ? |
| 18:34.49 | muhoo | and my keyboard will be index 1, because i'll turn it on second |
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| 18:35.04 | muhoo | stupid, stupid, stupid. but if it works, i can't argue with it. |
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| 18:36.16 | twobitsprite | ok, so I got a good resolution on my external monitor, but when logged in as my user, I still don't get any display on my lapttop monitor, whereas I do for root |
| 18:36.22 | xand | Scurz: that's a network card |
| 18:36.31 | xand | Scurz: or "NIC" for short |
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| 18:36.35 | xand | I = interface |
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| 18:36.39 | Scurz | xand: Thanks a lot ! |
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| 18:37.01 | valdyn | twobitsprite: on which desktop environment? |
| 18:37.06 | twobitsprite | gnome |
| 18:37.07 | wols | twobitsprite: any error messages? |
| 18:37.14 | wols | twobitsprite: mos probably a permission problem |
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| 18:37.51 | twobitsprite | (II) intel(0): Output TV disconnected |
| 18:37.55 | twobitsprite | is that meaningful? |
| 18:37.56 | wols | Scurz: ask #hardware. in #debian it's OT |
| 18:38.00 | spheard | !user |
| 18:38.02 | valdyn | twobitsprite: log in as a user - then ctrl-alt-f1, log in as that user, fix the resolution temporarly with 'DISPLAY=:0 xrandr whatever', ctrl-alt-f7, fix it with gnomes tool and gnome-session-save |
| 18:38.12 | wols | TV isn't external vga, is it? |
| 18:38.18 | Scurz | wols: okok |
| 18:38.22 | wols | basically you need to check what is different between running as root and as user |
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| 18:38.27 | spheard | does dpkg know how to add a user? |
| 18:38.46 | wols | spheard: no. it's not its job |
| 18:38.54 | twobitsprite | valdyn: we... I'm not logged in through gdm or anything, I just did a startx from console |
| 18:38.56 | wols | spheard: man adduser |
| 18:38.59 | twobitsprite | s/we/well |
| 18:39.02 | robin_sz | bah, jobsworth |
| 18:39.15 | valdyn | twobitsprite: thats ok, so you dont have to explicitely log into X, rest stays the same |
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| 18:39.33 | twobitsprite | valdyn: I can't just run xrandr from an xterm? |
| 18:39.45 | valdyn | twobitsprite: i thought you had no display as a user |
| 18:39.55 | valdyn | twobitsprite: sure you can run it from an xterm |
| 18:40.03 | twobitsprite | valdyn: I do on my external monitor, but I want to have something on my laptop monitor too |
| 18:40.07 | twobitsprite | i.e., the built-in monitor |
| 18:40.22 | roxy_ | is there a find option to not got into .svn dir ? I am looking at the man page but can't find it. |
| 18:40.24 | valdyn | twobitsprite: ok, i see |
| 18:40.39 | twobitsprite | preferable seperate desktops or something |
| 18:40.40 | valdyn | twobitsprite: so i conclude that the laptop display isnt capable of what the external display is |
| 18:40.50 | valdyn | twobitsprite: makes this a whole lot easier - just use xrandr? |
| 18:41.00 | spheard | be handy if it knew a few regulary executed commands |
| 18:41.08 | wols | !refcar |
| 18:41.08 | wols | !refcard |
| 18:41.08 | dpkg | refcard is, like, A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 18:41.12 | valdyn | spheard: man adduser |
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| 18:41.28 | twobitsprite | valdyn: nope... when I log in as root with the same resolution/etc, works alright (I just get the same output on both displays with the laptop monitor truncated) |
| 18:41.33 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: You have xrandr 1.2 (with all the options for setting all this now) read the man page |
| 18:41.35 | vincen-zoo | ciao |
| 18:41.41 | vincen-zoo | jooooooooooooo |
| 18:42.04 | valdyn | twobitsprite: you *know* that the resolution is not change upon login? how would you? |
| 18:42.25 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: xrandr -q only shows one screen and says "TV disconnected (normal left inverted right)" at the bottom |
| 18:42.29 | valdyn | twobitsprite: upon startx even |
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| 18:42.45 | olskolirc | im back guys |
| 18:42.56 | twobitsprite | valdyn: I checked the resolution when I log in as root, and it is the same when I login as my user... but root has both displays working |
| 18:42.56 | valdyn | twobitsprite: once gnome-session runs it can load saved resolution and set it |
| 18:42.57 | olskolirc | someone tell me what i need to download to get libc |
| 18:43.02 | twobitsprite | (well... kinda working) |
| 18:43.09 | wols | olskolirc: nothing. you already have it. |
| 18:43.15 | wols | debian cannot run without libc6 |
| 18:43.29 | valdyn | twobitsprite: i dont believe you, i would try xrandr still |
| 18:43.39 | olskolirc | im trying to install nvidia driver and it tells me to get libc |
| 18:43.54 | twobitsprite | valdyn: well... the gnome resolution setter shows the same settings, believe it or now |
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| 18:43.58 | twobitsprite | s/now/not |
| 18:43.59 | wols | olskolirc: what vesion of nvidia drievr? what card do you have? |
| 18:44.01 | valdyn | twobitsprite: Xorg.*.log should have info about resolution changes |
| 18:44.07 | olskolirc | geforce 6100 |
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| 18:44.24 | wols | !tell olskolirc about nvidia |
| 18:44.31 | twobitsprite | anyways... I think the problem is that xrander -q shows that "TV disconnected" |
| 18:44.37 | ustunozgur | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:44.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 18:45.21 | spheard | If I was setting up multiple mail domains, what would be the best approach for me to approach users? |
| 18:45.37 | wols | spheard: a database |
| 18:45.50 | EvilGuru | I have just looked at what would be fetched installing batik and noticed it pulls in a lot of GCJ, does Debians use of GCJ seem a long term thing (so I am not going to end up with orphan packages any time soon) |
| 18:45.59 | twobitsprite | how do I get xrandr to connect the TV output? |
| 18:46.15 | spheard | wols, sounds like a sensible idea. Is there an easy way? |
| 18:46.18 | twobitsprite | the manpage is terse at best |
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| 18:46.37 | valdyn | twobitsprite: xrandr does not support more than 1 displayt very well |
| 18:46.46 | twobitsprite | ohh |
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| 18:46.58 | valdyn | twobitsprite: and display hotplugging isnt supported, iirc |
| 18:47.05 | wols | spheard: http://workaround.org/moin/Welcome |
| 18:47.28 | wols | EvilGuru: gcj is the Free java. sun jre should work too |
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| 18:47.46 | valdyn | twobitsprite: there can be no other reason than an xrandr setting btw |
| 18:47.48 | EvilGuru | wols: Does that play well in an X-less system? |
| 18:47.48 | wols | EvilGuru: and yes, gcj will stay around. it's part of the gnu compilre collection aka gcc |
| 18:48.02 | wols | EvilGuru: check the dependencies |
| 18:48.05 | valdyn | twobitsprite: and that only due to gnome, unless you added xrandr somewhere manually |
| 18:48.56 | spheard | wols: ? |
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| 18:49.52 | EvilGuru | Hmm the JDK (sun, 6) depends on GCC 3.3 for some reason |
| 18:49.57 | twobitsprite | valdyn: ok, thanks... I'll ask in #gnome |
| 18:50.22 | kzar | Does anyone know how to set postfix to relay email from a dynamic IP? I have a no-ip hostname pointing at my dynamic IP but I think postfix uses a reverse lookup of my IP which ovbiously won't tell it my no-ip, but the hostname my ISP gave me. So it won't think I am trusted and therefore will reject the mail. |
| 18:50.47 | spheard | kzar #postfix |
| 18:51.07 | wols | spheard: what? |
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| 18:51.21 | kzar | spheard: good point |
| 18:51.29 | wols | kzar: use a smarthost. postfix asks you about it in your dpkg-reconfigure dialog for it |
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| 18:51.55 | wols | kzar: and to accept mail from wherever, use smtpd-auth |
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| 18:52.17 | wols | kzar: from where do you want to send mail? |
| 18:52.31 | spheard | wols, you suggested a database for mail on multiple domains, then sent me this http://workaround.org/moin/Welcome |
| 18:52.49 | wols | no I suggested a database to keep your users and domain naes for multiple domains |
| 18:52.58 | wols | mail itself is handled totally differently |
| 18:53.08 | wols | and yes, what's wrong with that link? |
| 18:53.31 | spheard | nothing, its a perfectly nice link, I suppose I should looka bit harder. |
| 18:53.33 | peasse | i post here a solution to get the printer canon ip 1200 actually working in debian : install Turboprint drivers, and set the print quality to 300dpi if you don't want the Fu.king logo ta appear |
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| 18:55.10 | olskolirc | exit |
| 18:55.18 | valdyn | EvilGuru: it does? |
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| 18:55.39 | EvilGuru | valdyn: Yep: gcc-3.3-base java-common libstdc++5 odbcinst1debian1 sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jdk sun-java6-jre |
| 18:55.40 | EvilGuru | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:55.59 | valdyn | EvilGuru: gcc-3.3-base is not gcc |
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| 18:56.23 | EvilGuru | valdyn: What the base consist of? |
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| 18:56.42 | saimazoon | Hello |
| 18:56.44 | valdyn | EvilGuru: no idea, its only 208 bytes _installed_ size though |
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| 18:56.47 | saimazoon | There's no realplayer package in debian etch ? |
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| 18:57.15 | Cyberjames | maybe |
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| 18:58.04 | saimazoon | I can't find it |
| 18:58.24 | wols | !real |
| 18:58.24 | dpkg | JCommons is the _real_ apt! |
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| 18:58.28 | wols | !realplayer |
| 18:58.28 | dpkg | somebody said realplayer was RealNetworks's proprietary media player, which can read RealAudio and RealVideo, or http://www.real.com/linux/ or ask me about helix player, or ask me about real codecs |
| 18:58.49 | spheard | /dpkg mail |
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| 18:59.14 | wols | spheard: what kind of problem do you have with the link? |
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| 18:59.56 | spheard | wols ah, no its me being dumb, Ive got exim on the brain |
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| 19:03.10 | xand | exim rocks |
| 19:03.21 | spheard | as no one seems to know much about exim |
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| 19:03.38 | spheard | xand: it was rediculously easy to set up |
| 19:03.55 | xand | what was? |
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| 19:04.35 | spheard | eim |
| 19:04.53 | spheard | I mean exim |
| 19:04.54 | xand | what problem are you ahving with it? |
| 19:05.30 | wols | xand: multi domain mail setup |
| 19:05.36 | spheard | exactly |
| 19:05.57 | spheard | Ive just sorted my rdns for that server |
| 19:06.01 | spheard | ish |
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| 19:07.51 | ssssss | Hi, I have a package where I really want it to install its config file on top or rm the old one. Do I have to uninstall the package and remove the config directory? install and apt-get --reinstall arn't doing it |
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| 19:08.44 | asg | ssssss: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 19:09.14 | ssssss | asg: cheers! |
| 19:09.20 | valdyn | ssssss: new config files would be put into configfile.dpkg-dist |
| 19:09.35 | valdyn | ssssss: unless its not new and you just want to restore the old one |
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| 19:14.04 | sweetandy | I ran "X :1". How do I send a command to screen 1? |
| 19:14.13 | sweetandy | It's running with the grey background. |
| 19:14.26 | sweetandy | But I have another tty open |
| 19:15.29 | xand | sweetandy: set DISPLAy |
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| 19:15.50 | wols | and then run a window-manage& or xterm& |
| 19:15.52 | xand | DISPLAY=:1 somecommand |
| 19:16.39 | sweetandy | amazing, thank you! |
| 19:16.45 | sweetandy | It worked so well |
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| 19:19.43 | dthorne | Hello everyone - noob here :-) - was wondering if anyone was familure with using Debian as an NFS server for a bunch of XP machines mounting a NTFS drive? |
| 19:20.07 | valdyn | dthorne: why dont you use samba? |
| 19:20.09 | dthorne | well the server mounting a NTFS drive, the XP machines accessing it |
| 19:20.19 | dthorne | I do but it times out |
| 19:20.50 | dthorne | I can see the drive and it works fine when the files are on the boot FAT drive, but the NTFS drive craps out.. runs 1/2 as slow then drops connection |
| 19:21.07 | dthorne | does the same thing in Knoppix 5.1.1 |
| 19:21.23 | dthorne | wondering if I'm missing some setting when mounting a NTFS drive |
| 19:21.38 | valdyn | dthorne: i dont think ntfs support is mature at all |
| 19:21.57 | trekdanne | read-only works pretty good on smaller disks |
| 19:22.00 | wols | anf NFS isn't mature on windows clients either .) |
| 19:22.19 | valdyn | dthorne: you want to use samba as a server and no ntfs at all on linux |
| 19:22.31 | trekdanne | over even afs |
| 19:22.32 | dthorne | :) - well I am having the problem with Samba actually but I'm thinking I may just have to suck it up, drop the NTFS disk and reformat :( |
| 19:22.48 | wols | dthorne: good choice |
| 19:22.55 | xerophyte | how can i safely remove USB device like ipot or USB wireless Ethernet card |
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| 19:23.16 | dthorne | ok - /cry - lol - damn - and here I thought it would work. Silly me :) |
| 19:23.17 | trekdanne | umount |
| 19:23.34 | valdyn | xerophyte: you unmount the ipod, you just unplug the wireless ethernet card |
| 19:23.40 | killaz | hi Im going to install debian, But why are there so many CD's??? |
| 19:23.47 | xerophyte | oh thanks |
| 19:24.03 | valdyn | killaz: because debian is the largest software collection in existance |
| 19:24.04 | dthorne | wondering though - would running Solaris 10 have any impact on it working or is Solaris 10 just as sketchy with NTFS (I realize this may be the wrong place to ask this) |
| 19:24.05 | trekdanne | killaz: you only need the first |
| 19:24.24 | valdyn | killaz: you dont need all those cds |
| 19:24.37 | dthorne | killaz: I installed Debian with just the boot CD :) |
| 19:24.57 | SerajewelKS | why does ogg123 all of a sudden depend of dcop running? |
| 19:24.59 | killaz | I was thinking the sme but I wanted to be sure if I need #1 only |
| 19:25.03 | trekdanne | dthorne: the ntfs support on Solaris is non-existing IIRC |
| 19:25.19 | dthorne | lol - thanks for saving me the time - ok all - you rock - |
| 19:25.29 | SerajewelKS | on* |
| 19:25.31 | trekdanne | killaz: if you have dsl, grab the netinstall disc |
| 19:26.01 | trekdanne | killaz: and the installation program will download the software as you install |
| 19:26.02 | quitte | dthorne: http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en linux ntfs support may be not too bad. you should probably make your own decision. about he fileserver problems im pretty sure you should rather fix your samba settings than move to nfs |
| 19:26.26 | spheard | what packag is elm in? |
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| 19:31.30 | tarzeau | RichiH: heh |
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| 19:32.00 | RichiH | his penis must be tiny |
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| 19:32.08 | RichiH | poor h4xx0r :/ |
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| 19:33.22 | asg | RichiH: from the looks of it, he had it in his right hand |
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| 19:33.37 | trekdanne | AntiIni1: man mkfifo |
| 19:33.42 | spheard | um, know this is stoopid, but erhow do I install elm? |
| 19:33.46 | RichiH | asg: heh |
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| 19:34.25 | benny99 | hi, I'm sorry, but I can't find a good tutorial for installing my wlan-rt2500 drivers under debian :( |
| 19:34.27 | asg | spheard: it's not free. Try elmo or mutt |
| 19:34.44 | benny99 | and my mouse is terribly slow under xfce4 :( |
| 19:34.52 | spheard | asg :-) |
| 19:35.07 | asg | spheard: you could compile it from source but it isn't packaged |
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| 19:35.40 | benny99 | :'( |
| 19:36.11 | trekdanne | dont xfce have some sort of control panel |
| 19:36.40 | Coweater | xfce-setting-show |
| 19:37.19 | Coweater | the config stuff should be in the menu by default though |
| 19:38.30 | benny99 | yeah, but I can't change the mouse-speed there |
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| 19:40.22 | spheard | I get "bus error" when I try to run elmo, doesnt seem to be anything in the logs |
| 19:40.31 | trekdanne | benny99: take a look @ Option "Resolution" in xorg |
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| 19:40.53 | Almindor | is there a safe way to detect that a program or script runs on debian? |
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| 19:41.41 | neosmatrix | CONTROL + ESC |
| 19:41.48 | EvilGuru | I am trying to run 'rasterizer' (libbatik) but keep getting an error |
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| 19:42.00 | dog | hello |
| 19:42.04 | neosmatrix | Almindor: or what do you mean ? |
| 19:42.06 | trekdanne | hi |
| 19:42.18 | dog | i'm searching for a repository |
| 19:42.21 | quitte | Almindor: an't you do more specific checks on what you actually need to know? |
| 19:42.27 | dog | in which i could find |
| 19:42.37 | Almindor | I need to know from a script and or program that I'm running a debian |
| 19:42.38 | dog | some net tools |
| 19:42.53 | benny99 | trekdanne: I'll try, thanks |
| 19:42.55 | trekdanne | dog: eeh more specific plese |
| 19:42.58 | asg | Almindor: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:42.59 | dog | like that includes in backtrack and other distro |
| 19:42.59 | Almindor | I mean "I am writing the script/program" |
| 19:43.06 | Almindor | ah goody |
| 19:43.23 | dog | tools for penetrating test |
| 19:43.48 | asg | dog: nmap, nessus |
| 19:43.50 | quitte | dog: debian main |
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| 19:45.30 | robin_sz | Almindor, just check for the file /etc/debian_version |
| 19:45.33 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: still there? |
| 19:45.42 | Almindor | robin_sz, yes thanks |
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| 19:46.02 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 19:46.06 | trekdanne | Almindor: you probably should check if there is any *-conf program for the library your program depends on |
| 19:46.37 | Almindor | trekdanne, this is a runtime detection |
| 19:46.38 | Mazingaro | I found my pc completely frozen (only hardware reset works) with certain screensaver... |
| 19:46.50 | Almindor | trekdanne, /etc/debian_version should do fine |
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| 19:54.30 | g00se | pvscan comes up with 'Couldn't find device with uuid 'tyZ2bE-RJnz-taEP-OBui-YLXR-pCAd-xmzZOb'.' Why, and how do i get rid of that spurious device? |
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| 19:55.32 | valdyn | g00se: with pvremove? |
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| 19:56.04 | g00se | valdyn: Tried it and it didn't work |
| 19:56.27 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 19:56.28 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:57.16 | g00se | valdyn: pvcan: Couldn't find device with uuid 'tyZ2bE-RJnz-taEP-OBui-YLXR-pCAd-xmzZOb'. |
| 19:57.51 | ssssss | ok... I'm upgrading python and its taking down mailman to do the install but taking down mailman fails as python is currently broken ..... so how do I get apt-get install to ignore this? |
| 19:58.31 | g00se | valdyn: IOW whatever was keeping a record with that UID in it still has it |
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| 20:00.49 | valdyn | g00se: /etc/lvm/lvm.conf ? i never used that. |
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| 20:01.20 | benny99 | hm, I need to install my wlan drivers, but they need the kernel headers, but they need gcc ... |
| 20:01.28 | benny99 | is there a way to install all that from the CD ?? |
| 20:01.29 | valdyn | g00se: or /etc/lvmtab |
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| 20:01.51 | ssssss | How do I tell apt-get to ignore a package trying to take a service down before installing if that fails? |
| 20:02.44 | valdyn | ssssss: you manipulate the script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 20:02.53 | valdyn | ssssss: the one that starts /stops that service.. |
| 20:03.04 | ssssss | ouch, really? That's annoying |
| 20:03.18 | ssssss | make the first line 'exit' or something? |
| 20:03.22 | valdyn | ssssss: sure, you hit a bug or created one |
| 20:03.27 | g00se | valdyn: My /etc/lvmtab is in fact empty |
| 20:03.35 | valdyn | g00se: that's fine. |
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| 20:04.20 | jjp78 | Drunken_Munky |
| 20:04.58 | g00se | valdyn: OK. I'll come to it later. I'm actually restoring after a Ubuntu live disk seriously cocked up the system |
| 20:05.04 | ssssss | valdyn: should I just make the script 'exit' on the first line? |
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| 20:05.48 | ssssss | oh that seems to have worked.. |
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| 20:06.23 | benny99 | found the answer |
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| 20:06.56 | Drunken_Munky | does anyone know a good php book? |
| 20:07.23 | asg | Drunken_Munky: I'm sure #php does. Otherwise, something by O'Reilly should do the trick. |
| 20:07.31 | Drunken_Munky | ok thanks |
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| 20:08.53 | u | UBUNTU sux, haha! All its partitioning tools do not work on scsi. |
| 20:09.10 | u | on its edubuntu cd |
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| 20:09.18 | spheard | u sux my freind |
| 20:09.21 | flami | isnt it great that this is #debian ? |
| 20:09.26 | valdyn | u: i dont believe you |
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| 20:09.35 | u | no, edubuntu does |
| 20:10.01 | spheard | u, maybe you cocked it up |
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| 20:11.12 | u | on a live cd? The reason I say anything here is to say Debian is what works. A bad linux user, I myself had no trouble installing it on scsi |
| 20:11.27 | epos85 | hello |
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| 20:11.48 | u | dewa mata |
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| 20:12.27 | epos85 | ive tried to install ati's 200m driver.. but it seems that it havnt been loaded yet, cause supertux still lags when i use opengl |
| 20:12.42 | epos85 | please, assist:) |
| 20:12.56 | Eulex | what does glxinfo|grep direct return? |
| 20:13.10 | Eulex | ('Yes' means that you have 3d acceleration) |
| 20:13.20 | amphi | epos85: what does fglrxinfo say? (I think that's the command) |
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| 20:14.30 | raqamy | how to start vnc session that uses gnome, or kde instead of x ? |
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| 20:14.49 | roland | hi |
| 20:14.57 | Drunken_Munky | hi |
| 20:15.12 | Eulex | raqamy, both gnome and kde run on top of X |
| 20:15.31 | epos85 | amphi.. this.. |
| 20:15.32 | epos85 | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 20:15.32 | epos85 | display: :0.0 screen: 0 |
| 20:15.48 | epos85 | dont know for sure, im new to deb:P |
| 20:15.55 | epos85 | or linux at all |
| 20:15.58 | roland | im having a Xorg problem now on etch(didnt encounter this before on the same machine, it was working fine in other etch installs) , i did apt-get install xserver-xorg and it installed it but when i startx i get : Fatal server error: could not open default font `fixed` .. so what package do i need to install now to make it work ? |
| 20:16.02 | amphi | epos85: so its not working ;) |
| 20:16.11 | Eulex | epos85, could you paste your xorg.conf in a pastebin? |
| 20:16.17 | asg | roland: /msg dpkg fixed |
| 20:16.33 | epos85 | amphi, thats right:) |
| 20:16.48 | epos85 | eulex, all right.. brb a bit then |
| 20:16.57 | amphi | epos85: sorry, I don't know abut fglrx |
| 20:16.59 | roland | and when i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it doesnt autodetect my videocard and monitor (radeon 9550 on dell 15" tft) wich it did detect before |
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| 20:17.20 | Eulex | roland, no major problem, just tell it what you have. |
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| 20:18.22 | roland | how do i purge the configuration remnants of Xorg package after apt-get remove xserver-xorg ? |
| 20:18.27 | valdyn | roland: apt-get install xorg |
| 20:18.38 | spheard | whats the command for finding the fasted mirror? |
| 20:18.40 | roland | so it was a borked install |
| 20:18.46 | valdyn | roland: xserver-xorg alone is good for nothing |
| 20:18.48 | spheard | for aptitude? |
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| 20:19.01 | roland | valdyn ok thanks |
| 20:19.02 | g00se | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.03 | \amethyst | roland: apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg or aptitude purge xserver-xorg |
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| 20:19.16 | Eulex | !tell spheard about apt-spy |
| 20:19.17 | epos85 | eulex: http://pastebin.com/930389 |
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| 20:20.06 | roland | \amethyst : did both commands and there is still /etc/X11 tree after removing xserver-xorg |
| 20:20.26 | Eulex | epos85, you're using the open source ati driver, which does not as of currently provide 3d acceleratin for 200m cards. |
| 20:20.30 | valdyn | roland: that is expected |
| 20:20.30 | spheard | Eulex: thx |
| 20:20.52 | roland | valdyn: well, thats what i want to remove... anythign that relates to the removed package |
| 20:20.58 | roland | and is left |
| 20:21.03 | valdyn | roland: why would you? |
| 20:21.09 | wfq | hey guys, dos anyone has installed the kernel module cpufreqd? |
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| 20:21.14 | roland | wasnt --purge supposed to remove configuration files? |
| 20:21.27 | epos85 | eulex, how may i fix this? |
| 20:21.28 | valdyn | roland: only the ones belonging to the corresponding package |
| 20:21.30 | Eulex | epos85, if you've installed fglrx correctly, you should be able to choose it when you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:21.47 | Eulex | epos85, fglrx is the name of ati's proprietary and binary driver |
| 20:21.55 | roland | valdyn : so to whom does /etc/X11 belong to if i only apt-get install'd xserver-xorg ? |
| 20:22.17 | valdyn | roland: maybe xserver-common |
| 20:22.29 | valdyn | roland: its a moot point really, you dont need to remove it completely |
| 20:22.31 | wfq | i have choosen ondemand politic to manage the power but each time i restart my OS it is removed and the default one is set (by performance) |
| 20:23.03 | roland | xserver-common not installed |
| 20:23.10 | roland | hmm well i wont remove /etc/X11 then |
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| 20:23.19 | valdyn | roland: many apps that have _nothing_ to do with X working but only for their own workings can put stuff there |
| 20:23.20 | Eulex | wfq, apt-get install cpufrequtils, edit /etc/default/cpufrequtils |
| 20:23.49 | valdyn | roland: for instance all the stuff in /etc/X11/app-defaults/ |
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| 20:24.17 | wfq | the question is. you can install powersaved or cpufreqd. Never ever both. When i used the former my lapoto suspended fine but now my gnome-power-management throw up a exception saying it is not possible |
| 20:24.25 | roland | what WMs you people use around here? |
| 20:24.30 | epos85 | eulex, thanks... i did a netinstall |
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| 20:24.31 | roland | i was thinking to install fluxbox now |
| 20:24.32 | valdyn | roland: for all i could see above you simply dont have X installed, xserver-xorg is good for nothing ( alone ), as i said already |
| 20:24.56 | valdyn | roland: thats just another X app, it does not require X |
| 20:25.06 | roland | valdyn : ok so i did it properly now by issuing 'apt-get install xorg' right? |
| 20:25.16 | valdyn | roland: yes |
| 20:25.21 | wfq | Euled, i have already installed |
| 20:25.26 | Eulex | wfq, you're sure you didn't change anything else than just what daemon you've got controlling your cpu frequency? |
| 20:25.38 | roland | its 27 mb the whole thing |
| 20:25.49 | Eulex | wfq, also, in most cases you do not need a daemon to control that. |
| 20:25.55 | valdyn | wfq: you dont need either really, but you can use one.. |
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| 20:26.14 | wfq | how is that possible? |
| 20:26.30 | valdyn | wfq: cpu speeds can be controlled by the kernel |
| 20:26.35 | roland | ok X is working fine now |
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| 20:27.02 | Eulex | wfq, use for example the cpufreq-ondemand governor, it will adjust your cpu frequency according to how much power is needed |
| 20:27.07 | wfq | valdyn, i know but how could change the politic, ie, without using any module? |
| 20:27.18 | wfq | Eulex, i have done it |
| 20:27.27 | wfq | i have use cpufreq-set -g ondemand |
| 20:27.31 | valdyn | wfq: you cant |
| 20:27.58 | olskolirc | im at my kdm login screen but when i try to log into kde OR any other desktop, it gives me this failsafe window. says i can't connect to server. i tried everything with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. i have geforce 6100 graphics and ubuntu 7 |
| 20:28.02 | valdyn | wfq: use the package cpufrequtils and /etc/default/cpufrequtils to set default governor and additional governors |
| 20:28.13 | Eulex | wfq, you need to have the appropriate module to use a governor |
| 20:28.17 | valdyn | wfq: the gnome cpufreq applet lets you control and switch policies / frequencies |
| 20:28.19 | Eulex | *loaded |
| 20:28.42 | karmatronic | olskolirc: maybe /var is full ? |
| 20:28.51 | roland | whats the package name for all the linux howtos and mini-howtos |
| 20:28.56 | olskolirc | im at my kdm login screen but when i try to log into kde OR any other desktop, it gives me this failsafe window. says i can't connect to server. i tried everything with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. i have geforce 6100 graphics and ubuntu 7 |
| 20:28.57 | roland | that go in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 20:29.07 | karmatronic | olskolirc: maybe /var is full ? |
| 20:29.23 | olskolirc | it can do that? |
| 20:29.26 | valdyn | olskolirc: we dont support ubuntu |
| 20:29.28 | olskolirc | how do i free it up? |
| 20:29.29 | wfq | that is the point. when i go to /etc/default/cpufrequtils i can find ondemand as default |
| 20:29.41 | olskolirc | why not valdyn? |
| 20:29.53 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 20:29.54 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 20:30.00 | wfq | when i edit cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor the default governos is performance |
| 20:30.07 | valdyn | olskolirc: well, irc channels usually have a topic, this ones is debian, not ubuntu. They do differ. |
| 20:30.09 | Drunken_Munky | #php |
| 20:30.20 | olskolirc | ok |
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| 20:30.22 | olskolirc | thanks |
| 20:30.22 | Eulex | wfq, and is the cpufreq-ondemand module loaded? |
| 20:30.38 | wfq | Eulex, i have it as kernel image |
| 20:30.42 | twobitsp1ite | so, I have both monitors working, but they are both showing the same thing... |
| 20:30.47 | roland | whats the package name for howtos |
| 20:31.04 | valdyn | roland: apt-cache search howto ? |
| 20:31.07 | twobitsp1ite | I am running debian etch, but I have installed the intel video driver from sid... |
| 20:31.15 | Eulex | wfq, what do you mean? did you build it statically (not as a module) into your kernel? |
| 20:31.26 | karmatronic | roland: doc-linux |
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| 20:31.34 | wfq | Eulex, yes |
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| 20:31.47 | quitte | twobitsp1ite: man i810 |
| 20:32.03 | wfq | Eulex, i have followed a tutorial that said that. |
| 20:32.17 | valdyn | wfq: nothing wrong with it.. |
| 20:32.28 | twobitsp1ite | quitte: ahh... anything specific I'm looking for? |
| 20:32.38 | Eulex | still, more failsafe as a module |
| 20:33.24 | valdyn | wfq: all as module, all loaded, an applet to switch, that's my preferred setup.. |
| 20:33.40 | Eulex | wfq, in any case, does the governor change if you do /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils restart ? or maybe even try echo 'ondemand' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor ? |
| 20:34.03 | quitte | twobitsp1ite: the monitorlayout and clone options. probably more. i found a lot of options that i didnt know about and then wanted to usein the radeon manpage. so i recommend looking at all options |
| 20:34.05 | wfq | valdyn, you allright but i have just done. Once everything works i will try |
| 20:34.15 | valdyn | wfq: sure, i agree |
| 20:34.36 | twobitsp1ite | quitte: I don't see anything about a "clone" option in the man page |
| 20:34.40 | wfq | Eulex i have done it and i can read performance |
| 20:34.44 | twobitsp1ite | quitte: perhaps I have an old manpage? |
| 20:34.57 | wfq | what i obtain form cpufrequtils is different tahn scaling_governor |
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| 20:35.20 | Eulex | wfq, both commands did not change anything? |
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| 20:35.28 | valdyn | twobitsp1ite: clone is the default on radeons, activated if i had a display plugged in, automagically |
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| 20:35.50 | wfq | Eulex, when i do cpufreq-set -g ondemand, it is changed |
| 20:35.55 | twobitsp1ite | valdyn: how do I turn it off? |
| 20:36.00 | n1nj4tux | does anyone know how to create another user that can access all files like root? i've added a user and added it to the root group but this doesn't work for me |
| 20:36.05 | wfq | when i restart my machine i get performance instead of ondemand again |
| 20:36.06 | Eulex | wfq, what about the two commands I gave you? |
| 20:36.08 | valdyn | twobitsp1ite: what do you want to turn on? |
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| 20:36.36 | twobitsp1ite | valdyn: I want it to not clone, but instead use the two devices sepperately so that X can span one desktop accross both |
| 20:36.55 | wfq | Eulex, i will try about /etc/init.d/... but to make an echo and do cpufreq-set is the same |
| 20:37.11 | wfq | anyway, even on demand, my suspend laptop does not work. |
| 20:37.21 | Eulex | wfq, yes, should be. but why not try? |
| 20:37.27 | valdyn | twobitsp1ite: you need 2 monitor sections, 2 display sections, and a screenlayout section that fits, and xinerama enabled. Google should have a howto or somesuch |
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| 20:38.38 | twobitsp1ite | valdyn: I've read like 3 howtos... I have 2 device, monitor and screen sections and serverlayout section |
| 20:38.58 | valdyn | twobitsp1ite: and xinerama enabled? |
| 20:39.04 | twobitsp1ite | valdyn: and I'm not sure if I have xinerama "enabled" I haven't seen any of the howtos talk about enabling it |
| 20:39.09 | quitte | twobitsp1ite: if its jsut one graphics card/chip you need onlöy one device section |
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| 20:39.29 | twobitsp1ite | quitte: I have two items in lspci with different bus ids |
| 20:39.49 | benny99 | does anybody know where I must configure that wpa-psk key for a rt2500 card ? |
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| 20:40.13 | benny99 | got it, sorr |
| 20:40.14 | benny99 | y |
| 20:40.54 | twobitsp1ite | quitte: does that mean they're different chips? or should I use only one device section? |
| 20:41.18 | \amethyst | n1nj4tux: there's not really any way to grant a normal user those permissions... why not just give that person root access with sudo or su? |
| 20:41.22 | twobitsp1ite | also... do I need to "Load xinerama" in my "Modules" section? |
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| 20:41.34 | quitte | twobitsp1ite: im not sure. reaad and understand at least the part about the monitorlayout option and check in the xlog |
| 20:42.49 | Eulex | n1nj4tux, use sudo. |
| 20:42.50 | twobitsp1ite | quitte: er... I don't have a "MonitorLayout" option, only a "ServerLayout" option, is that what you mean? |
| 20:42.59 | quitte | twobitsp1ite: man i810 |
| 20:43.21 | twobitsp1ite | quitte: that man page doesn't say anything about a monitorlayout option |
| 20:43.23 | valdyn | twobitsp1ite: you need Option "Xinerama" "true" in the serverlayout section |
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| 20:43.43 | quitte | twobitsp1ite: it does. read the manpage. you can even search it with / |
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| 20:44.03 | valdyn | twobitsp1ite: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773624 looks ok |
| 20:44.04 | epos85 | Eulex: hello |
| 20:44.20 | epos85 | Eulex: ive tried to use the fglrx driver, but got error |
| 20:44.43 | Eulex | epos85, ok, what error? |
| 20:44.46 | benny99 | yeah, I got a disco on my WLAN-Card... switching constantly on and off... |
| 20:44.48 | epos85 | could not load somefile.so |
| 20:45.02 | Eulex | epos85, also, you can use irc while not in X, try using an irc client like irssi. |
| 20:45.13 | Eulex | epos85, how did you install fglrx? |
| 20:45.32 | epos85 | yep.. ill quit this client.. irc.freenode.net this server is at? |
| 20:45.51 | Eulex | yes |
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| 20:46.30 | twobitsprite | when I add the xinerama option to my serverlayout section and run "X -config xorg.conf.xine" it just loads a blank screen and then seems to freeze |
| 20:46.41 | epos85 | brb then |
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| 20:46.50 | euthyrox_lover | Hello ! |
| 20:46.54 | twobitsprite | I can't even kill it with ctrl-alt-bs |
| 20:46.58 | valdyn | twobitsp1ite: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174 and start from scratch |
| 20:47.06 | jjlee | Can anybody point me to the documentation for if-up.d (or whatever is responsible for executing scripts therein)? |
| 20:47.14 | euthyrox_lover | I have Q: how to remove all kde applications from my gnome menu ? |
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| 20:47.43 | quitte | valdyn: he doesn'T have a radeon |
| 20:47.47 | Kevin` | that's an odd thing to do, why would you want to do that? |
| 20:47.53 | valdyn | quitte: that makes no difference |
| 20:48.06 | mariann | Eulex: back.. how can i fix this thing... i need opengl :) |
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| 20:48.11 | wfq | hy guys |
| 20:48.23 | euthyrox_lover | Kevin`, you asking me right now ? |
| 20:48.24 | quitte | until hedidnt find the monitorlayout option in the manpage it does |
| 20:48.32 | Kevin` | euthyrox_lover yes |
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| 20:49.01 | wfq | i have seen the problem.. When my kernel is starting up show an error saying: FATAL ERROR: it is no possible to load cpufreq_ondemand module |
| 20:49.12 | euthyrox_lover | Kevin`, while I was installing KDE in gnome GUI, applications from KDE was installed in my gnome menu |
| 20:49.13 | Eulex | euthyrox_lover, copy the specific .desktop files from /usr/share/applications to ~/.local/share/applications, edit it to add OnlyShowIn=KDE; |
| 20:49.19 | valdyn | quitte: why would he need it? according to the manpage its ' This option is used to overwrite the detected monitor types.' |
| 20:49.26 | wfq | the thing is i have tried to filter the entry by using dmesg | grep ondemand but i can't get any lines |
| 20:49.36 | Kevin` | euthyrox_lover yes? is that a problem? you can use them in gnome, you know :) |
| 20:49.46 | wfq | how could i capture this error once i am in the system? |
| 20:49.52 | Eulex | Epos85, again, how did you install fglrx? |
| 20:49.57 | euthyrox_lover | Kevin`, but they shouldnt be installed without my agree |
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| 20:50.21 | Epos85 | i just took a netinstall with a daily iso... i c |
| 20:50.26 | Eulex | wfq, if it's built right into the kernel, there won't be any kernel to load. |
| 20:50.28 | Kevin` | euthyrox_lover so you just want them uninstalled, or removed from the menu |
| 20:50.30 | Epos85 | i choose system, desktop and laptop |
| 20:50.37 | quitte | valdyn: and setting the pipes. at the moment he seems to have both monitors on pipe a |
| 20:50.43 | Eulex | Epos85, the fglrx driver is not installed by default. how did you install it? |
| 20:50.52 | euthyrox_lover | Enulex there isnt any other way from gnome-terminal like apt-get remove kde -all or something ? |
| 20:51.01 | Epos85 | so.. i havnt installed it:) thought it was installed |
| 20:51.06 | euthyrox_lover | Kevin`, just remove from menu |
| 20:51.08 | Epos85 | whats the pack name? |
| 20:51.21 | Eulex | euthyrox_lover, gnome, kde etc use the same system for installing entries in the menu |
| 20:51.43 | Kevin` | hm, it's been a while since i've used gnome.. where was that |
| 20:51.49 | wfq | yes, it is in the kernel as image. I am pretty sure about that |
| 20:51.50 | Eulex | euthyrox_lover, well, yes, another solution is removing the kde apps |
| 20:52.09 | Eulex | !tell Epos85 about fglrx one-liner |
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| 20:52.23 | euthyrox_lover | Enulex but, how to make it at once... if I write apt-get remove kde, it wont remove all other applications |
| 20:52.39 | Eulex | euthyrox_lover, indeed |
| 20:52.42 | Eulex | !remove kde |
| 20:52.42 | dpkg | somebody said remove kde was aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 20:52.52 | Eulex | kde is just a metapackage |
| 20:52.54 | Eulex | !metapackage |
| 20:52.55 | dpkg | metapackage is, like, a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers |
| 20:53.04 | Epos85 | thanks |
| 20:53.12 | euthyrox_lover | Eulex, so... apt-get remove metapackage ? |
| 20:53.18 | Eulex | euthyrox_lover, no |
| 20:53.20 | wfq | CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_ONDEMAND=y |
| 20:53.41 | euthyrox_lover | Eulex, my english isnt good ;/ |
| 20:53.42 | wfq | although that i get the error saying it is not possible to load this modules |
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| 20:53.56 | Eulex | wfq, right, there's no module to be loaded, it's already loaded into the kernel by default. |
| 20:54.15 | wfq | Eulex, i agree with you |
| 20:54.21 | euthyrox_lover | Enulex so how to remove them ? let say I dont need to use them at all... I can remove them |
| 20:54.44 | wfq | i know what the difference is between module loading and image built-in but i don't know why i get this error |
| 20:55.05 | wfq | the problem is i am not able to filter the entry. I don't know how i could get it up |
| 20:55.24 | Eulex | euthyrox_lover, a metapackage is a special package that just exists so you can do for example apt-get install kde and get all of kde. they do not contain any files, they just depend on other packages, forcing other packages to be installed. removing a metapackage does not remove the packages it forced to install. |
| 20:55.30 | wfq | by dmesg i can't get it neither |
| 20:55.44 | Eulex | euthyrox_lover, instead, aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 20:56.09 | Eulex | wfq, because once again there is _no_ module to load |
| 20:56.18 | twobitsprite | how do I scroll right in elinks? |
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| 20:56.40 | wfq | Eulex, ohhhhhhhhh i understand |
| 20:56.46 | euthyrox_lover | Eulex it says it will make problems with depends |
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| 20:57.19 | marcus` | ms with depends |
| 20:57.19 | marcus` | ERC> /quit |
| 20:57.20 | euthyrox_lover | Enulex knewsticker-scripts and quanta |
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| 20:57.31 | wfq | Eulex, so you suggest i try to compile it as module? Or just this an normal error? |
| 20:57.37 | Eulex | euthyrox_lover, define 'make problems with depends'. does it say that it will cause a lot of packages to be removed? then that's right, as the above will cause all packages that use kdelibs to be removed. |
| 20:57.59 | Eulex | wfq, you still haven't answered/checked whether the commands I gave you changed the current governor or not. |
| 20:58.18 | euthyrox_lover | Enulex I will try |
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| 20:58.26 | wfq | Eulex, of course they did but when i restart the machine i get performance again |
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| 20:59.03 | Eulex | wfq, so /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils restart did set the governor to ondemand? |
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| 21:00.00 | wfq | Eulex, no it did not. |
| 21:00.04 | Eulex | twobitsp1ite, { } |
| 21:00.07 | wfq | when i restart i get performance again |
| 21:00.35 | Eulex | wfq, but does manually running /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils restart set the current governor? (until restart) |
| 21:00.45 | wfq | but i have seen in /etc/default/cpufrequtils the default one is on demand |
| 21:00.49 | lambda | thanks nalioth :) |
| 21:00.59 | qailer | Hello guys, when trying to uncompress the xwem (xemacs window manager) tar ball I got from their site I get some kind of error after some processing which I cannot figure out the meaning of, any ideas? http://pastebin.com/930408 |
| 21:01.04 | Eulex | wfq, is ENABLE set to "true"? |
| 21:01.14 | wfq | Eulex, i have done /etc/default/cpufrequtils restart |
| 21:01.17 | wfq | let me check again |
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| 21:02.14 | wfq | Eulex now |
| 21:02.20 | wfq | now it works |
| 21:02.20 | benny99 | buhu :'( |
| 21:02.29 | wfq | let me check something |
| 21:02.35 | benny99 | how can I make apt-get use the normal repos ? |
| 21:03.01 | Eulex | wfq, the thing is that this is supposed to run at boot. if it works, your governor should be set correctly on boot. |
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| 21:03.19 | Eulex | benny99, revert the changes you did to your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 21:03.21 | wfq | yes i can see |
| 21:03.22 | leming | benny99, it will use what you tell it to in your sources.list |
| 21:03.22 | wfq | but |
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| 21:04.23 | wfq | when i used powesaved, my laptop got in suspend when i closed my laptop and my screen set black when my laptop was 5 off (i set 5) but when i change powersaved for cpuspeed does not work |
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| 21:04.31 | wfq | should i set everything in this file? |
| 21:05.00 | benny99 | it says the lines were wrong |
| 21:05.14 | benny99 | deb http://Security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 21:05.18 | benny99 | for example |
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| 21:06.09 | benny99 | why isn't just the nomal sources.list included as sources.default for example :'( |
| 21:06.10 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.35 | Eulex | wfq, you do probably not need neither powersaved nor cpufreqd. |
| 21:07.04 | Eulex | benny99, because there is no default. |
| 21:07.30 | wfq | so why should i need cpufreqd then? just to be used for apps as gnome-power-managament? |
| 21:07.46 | wfq | what a mess!!!! |
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| 21:08.11 | gordboy | hello from edinburgh debconf 7 :) |
| 21:08.38 | Eulex | wfq, cpufreq-set isn't part of the cpufreqd package fyi. it's part of cpufrequtils. |
| 21:08.40 | wfq | I know that is done by the scaling_driver: acpi_cpufreq in this case |
| 21:08.50 | wfq | Eulex i now |
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| 21:09.03 | Eulex | why do you think you need cpufreqd? |
| 21:09.15 | Eulex | gordboy, elo :) |
| 21:09.47 | Eulex | benny99, define 'it says the lines were wrong'. what error are you getting? |
| 21:10.08 | wfq | to be honest, i thought that was needed to establish the gorvernor handly, by the user |
| 21:10.51 | wfq | i mean, kernel could do that just by using ACPI AND CPU_Scaling in the kernel |
| 21:11.16 | benny99 | Eulex: doesn't matter, searching for a sources.list |
| 21:11.26 | wfq | but, for example, Xcfe desktop use cpufreq to show the battery load |
| 21:11.45 | Eulex | wfq, no, all you need for controlling speedstep etc is a cpufreq driver and a governor. |
| 21:11.46 | wfq | what do you think cpufreqd is needed for? |
| 21:12.46 | benny99 | Eulex: update gave me a "could not read list on ..." error, apt-get works |
| 21:12.59 | Eulex | wfq, it can do the same as the governors, but in userspace (by using the cpufreq-userspace governor). it's more configurable. but I recommend using the ondemand governor if possible. |
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| 21:13.22 | Eulex | benny99, ok, could you pastebin your sources.list? |
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| 21:14.27 | Eulex | benny99, and what specific error are you getting? |
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| 21:15.18 | benny99 | Eulex: everything works now :) |
| 21:15.46 | Epos85 | Eulex: could not apt-get install fglrx-driver ... obsolate, or try from a another source.. |
| 21:15.52 | Eulex | benny99, ok |
| 21:15.53 | benny99 | Eulex: sorry, dunno why, but I had to do apt-get update before aptitude was able to read the packagelist |
| 21:15.58 | wfq | Eulex, are you treating to tell me cpfreqd is just an more friendly interface to chose the governos and establish power saving options by final user? |
| 21:16.02 | benny99 | Eulex: thanks anyway :) |
| 21:16.21 | Eulex | Epos85, please read what dpkg said again, specifically the part about contrib and non-free sources |
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| 21:16.55 | Eulex | benny99, after changing sources.list, you do need to update your package list, either by using apt-get or aptitude |
| 21:17.23 | Epos85 | Eulex: fglrx-driver has no installation candidate |
| 21:17.23 | benny99 | Eulex: guessed so, but aptitude didn't want to for some reason :( |
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| 21:17.36 | jjlee | aha, things in if-pre-up.d are only executed if /etc/network/interfaces asks for it |
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| 21:18.05 | Eulex | wfq, no, just that it has more bells and whistles (which might not be necessary for you) but that it's in userspace has its disadvantages. it will probably not react as quickly to changes as cpufreq-ondemand does. |
| 21:18.13 | benny99 | JJlee, yeah |
| 21:18.24 | Eulex | !tell Epos85 about non-free sources |
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| 21:19.09 | wfq | arghhhhhhhhhh ... but i have established on demand gorvernor now |
| 21:19.25 | wfq | i think i am mixing concepts |
| 21:19.59 | Eulex | wfq, yes, and I recommend using cpufreq-ondemand and removing cpufreqd, if you do not know that you need cpufreqd. |
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| 21:20.38 | wfq | but what i would like to know is way. I don't want to be a sheep... lol lol lol. do yo have any article that explains that? |
| 21:20.45 | wfq | why |
| 21:21.01 | Eulex | I've already told you the reason |
| 21:21.14 | wfq | but i don't get it properly. |
| 21:21.16 | wfq | becuase |
| 21:21.18 | Eulex | it is because the ondemand governor reacts quicker to changes |
| 21:21.28 | wfq | Eulex, i understand that |
| 21:21.42 | Eulex | and it's simpler to set up |
| 21:21.55 | wfq | but i thought cpufreq-ondemand was a modules needed for cpufreqd |
| 21:22.08 | wfq | to establish the on demand governor |
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| 21:23.06 | Eulex | if you use cpufreq-ondemand, no application in userspace on your computer will be able to affect the frequency of your cpu. the kernel will decide it entirely on its own. |
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| 21:23.50 | Eulex | for applications to be able to affect the frequency of your cpu, you must use the cpufreq-userspace governor. |
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| 21:25.30 | Fish-Face | is there no debian package (in repository at least) for OpenGLContext, or am I just blind? |
| 21:25.52 | Zap-W | hey any idea why cp --no-preserve=mode,ownership , dosent work for me ? it preserves the file permission and ownership |
| 21:27.23 | wfq | Eulex, so cpufreq-ondemand is based on cpuspeed governors and cpufreqd is based on userspace governor? |
| 21:27.53 | wfq | and userspace governos are modified by user apps and ondemand governos is handled by the kernel? |
| 21:28.44 | Eulex | wfq, yes. |
| 21:28.48 | wfq | this article is makimg me crazy http://www.intel.com/cd/ids/developer/asmo-na/eng/195910.htm?prn=Y |
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| 21:30.04 | Suprano | is there a way to update the kernel without reboot ? |
| 21:30.25 | wfq | Eulex, i really got it now |
| 21:30.46 | wfq | A new in-kernel governor called the ondemand governor, which is discussed in more detail below, is added to make the most of low-latency CPU frequency/voltage-pair transitions supported in Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology. |
| 21:31.58 | wfq | the problem is i follow this guide, which looks address the reader toward ondemand governor and i obtained and userspace governor |
| 21:33.31 | wfq | So i've got two problems now; firstly i have to change my kernel to get ondemand and second i have to reach my laptop gets in a suspend mode |
| 21:33.49 | wfq | Eulex, anyway thank you very much. Your help has been very very useful |
| 21:34.11 | Eulex | wfq, you're welcome |
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| 22:03.14 | olsckolirc | hi guys. i just installed the new ubuntu and i don't have sound. i use ac97 can someone help me get sound? i see in the apt, ubuntu doesn't use or have in repository alsaconf |
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| 22:03.51 | Kevin` | olsckolirc you should normally ask #ubuntu about ubuntu specific issues |
| 22:04.02 | Kevin` | things aren't always the same |
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| 22:04.07 | olsckolirc | oh aren't i in ubuntu? |
| 22:04.09 | olsckolirc | sorry |
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| 22:04.26 | rahul | wtf |
| 22:04.33 | karsten | rahul: Idiot. |
| 22:04.39 | Kevin` | oh don't complain about a silly ping |
| 22:04.48 | rahul | karsten: badger |
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| 22:06.05 | Kevin` | getting 788 messages at once is usually bad enough :) |
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| 22:08.26 | xand | #DeBiAn indeed |
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| 22:08.56 | rahul | heh |
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| 22:09.12 | rahul | sunday came early this week :\ |
| 22:09.26 | rahul | oh wait, it comes early and leaves late EVERY week! |
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| 22:09.42 | Kevin` | your clock is off |
| 22:09.50 | Kevin` | ;p |
| 22:10.01 | karsten | rahul: Wait, that sounds like me.... |
| 22:10.11 | rahul | it is you |
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| 22:16.04 | EnsignRedshirt | I am beginning my upgrade from sarge to etch, following Chapter 4 of the release notes. I usually use apt-get or synaptic, but the release notes recommend aptitude. That's fine, but section 4.3 has some comments about using 'unmarkauto' to "prevent aptitude from removing some packages that were pulled in through dependencies". |
| 22:17.22 | EnsignRedshirt | It tells me I can "review which packages are marked as auto in aptitude by running: aptitude search 'i~M <package name>' |
| 22:17.41 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: In general, once you start using aptitude for package management, continue to do so. |
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| 22:18.07 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: You may have the experience at some point of a bunch of stuff being marked for deletion. Save that list. Reinstall it if necessary. You should be golden after that. |
| 22:18.25 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: ... if the reinstall is w/ packages already locally archived, it shouldn't take long. |
| 22:18.56 | EnsignRedshirt | karsten: Are these the packages that the release notes recommend being 'unmarked as auto packages'? |
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| 22:21.44 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: FIIK. I don't read release notes ;-) |
| 22:21.47 | karsten | !fiik |
| 22:21.47 | dpkg | fiik is probably Fuck If I Know |
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| 22:22.18 | EnsignRedshirt | Can I find in advance all the packages that aptitude has marked as auto? The suggestion in the release notes is to use "aptitude search 'i~M <package name>", but that seems to suggest that I have to know the package name. |
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| 22:22.47 | w0jtas | hi, i can't install debian from business card |
| 22:22.56 | w0jtas | it doesn't see mirrors |
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| 22:24.28 | EnsignRedshirt | Somewhat unrelated question: Does Synaptic play well with aptitude? If I start using aptitude for command-line stuff, will later using Synaptic screw it up? |
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| 22:25.05 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: Mostly. |
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| 22:25.17 | karsten | w0jtas: Troubleshoot your networking |
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| 22:25.32 | EnsignRedshirt | karsten: I'm not sure what your answer means. |
| 22:25.32 | w0jtas | karsten: instaluje serwer przez ssh :P |
| 22:25.39 | w0jtas | oh sry , :P |
| 22:25.50 | w0jtas | karsten: i'm installing server via ssh |
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| 22:26.12 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: Mostly ;-) |
| 22:26.13 | twobitsprite | so... I followed the dual monitor howto in the wiki to the 't', and when I startx both monitors go blank except for a single blue line running through both |
| 22:26.13 | w0jtas | karsten: i started via kvm, end installator said that i can continue via ssh so i continued |
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| 22:26.42 | karsten | w0jtas: OK. So you've got an SSH session running to the installation host? |
| 22:26.44 | EnsignRedshirt | karsten: Mostly what? Synaptic will mostly screw up aptitude? |
| 22:26.48 | w0jtas | karsten: yes |
| 22:26.50 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: No. |
| 22:27.02 | karsten | w0jtas: Sec. |
| 22:27.24 | karsten | How do I check all networking-related factoids? |
| 22:28.15 | Havis | karsten: factoids? |
| 22:28.16 | karsten | dpkg: network drill is: check NIC seating, link light, media (cable), configuration (ifconfig), gateway, route, forwarding on gateway, DNS resolution, local (LAN) and remote (forwarded) ping targets. |
| 22:28.26 | karsten | !factoid |
| 22:28.26 | dpkg | [factoid] something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 22:28.27 | EnsignRedshirt | Is there any harm in using apt-get instead of aptitude for the upgrade? |
| 22:28.36 | twobitsprite | if I update to sid, will it be possible to revert back to testing at some point? |
| 22:28.38 | karsten | dpkg: network drill is check NIC seating, link light, media (cable), configuration (ifconfig), gateway, route, forwarding on gateway, DNS resolution, local (LAN) and remote (forwarded) ping targets. |
| 22:28.38 | tarzeau | EnsignRedshirt: no |
| 22:28.38 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 22:28.49 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: yes, there is. |
| 22:28.51 | karsten | tarzeau: Wrong. |
| 22:28.52 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: not really, but you can just not update for a very long time |
| 22:28.53 | rsk | twobitsprite: it's possible but will bot work so good.. |
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| 22:29.12 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: aptitude tracks packages installed directly vs. those installed to satisfy dependencies. |
| 22:29.13 | tarzeau | karsten: i've done many upgrades with apt-get, never enountered any harm |
| 22:29.16 | Absolute0 | i installed some gtk-themes but when i run gtk-theme-switch i only see 3 generic themes... how can i fix that? |
| 22:29.21 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: aptitude *also* logs its updates. |
| 22:29.25 | tarzeau | karsten: how would not tracking them cause harm? |
| 22:29.27 | Absolute0 | or maybe some better app for switching gtk themes? |
| 22:29.37 | twobitsprite | here-goes |
| 22:29.39 | tarzeau | karsten: dpkg logs them too, apt-get too, in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 22:29.40 | karsten | tarzeau: You've already established that you're *not* a reliable source of information on aptitude. |
| 22:29.48 | karsten | tarzeau: Cruft. |
| 22:29.49 | tarzeau | karsten: i disagree |
| 22:30.13 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: I strongly recommend you use aptitude, and that you continue to use aptitude for package management once you start. |
| 22:30.37 | EnsignRedshirt | karsten: I understand that apt-get and aptitude are different. But what is wrong with using apt-get? |
| 22:30.45 | karsten | !aptitude |
| 22:30.45 | dpkg | aptitude is a modern frontend to libapt. For the most part, you can use it as a drop in replacement for apt-get. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> and install aptitude-doc-en (or the aptitude-doc-* package appropriate for your locale), or see http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Aptitude_-_using_together_with_Synaptic_and_Apt-get |
| 22:30.46 | twobitsprite | karsten: sorry if I missed the beginning of this convo, but I've heard people say that before and never knew why... |
| 22:30.52 | w0jtas | karsten: so what can i do ?? |
| 22:31.07 | karsten | w0jtas: Troubleshoot your network. Determine why you can't reach the mirrors. |
| 22:31.22 | EnsignRedshirt | karsten: For "day-to-day" package management, I use Synaptic. If that doesn't play well with aptitude, I would rather not use aptitude. |
| 22:31.28 | Coweater | aptitude-fu |
| 22:31.33 | karsten | tarzeau: Your *personal* opinion is harmful to the channel. |
| 22:31.41 | tarzeau | karsten: it's not my personal opinion |
| 22:31.45 | w0jtas | karsten: how ?? :F |
| 22:31.56 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: synaptic is largely compatible with aptitude. I don't use synaptic, however. |
| 22:32.05 | karsten | w0jtas: /msg dpkg network drill |
| 22:32.08 | tarzeau | karsten: besides aptitude is NOT a drop in replacement for apt-get |
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| 22:32.19 | tarzeau | karsten: as it's not fully compatible. aptitude does a few things NOT that apt-get can do |
| 22:32.20 | karsten | tarzeau: Howso? |
| 22:32.30 | karsten | tarzeau: Be specific. |
| 22:32.34 | w0jtas | karsten: i have no dpkg ;F |
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| 22:32.38 | karsten | tarzeau: Sounds like a superset. |
| 22:32.46 | karsten | w0jtas: Start over then. |
| 22:32.50 | karsten | w0jtas: dpkg is a bot. |
| 22:32.57 | w0jtas | oh sry ; |
| 22:32.58 | w0jtas | ;d |
| 22:33.00 | karsten | w0jtas: type "/msg dpkg network drill" in your IRC client. |
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| 22:33.14 | rahul | apt-get source, and apt-get build-dep |
| 22:33.24 | w0jtas | ok i have bad dns resolution |
| 22:33.30 | w0jtas | is there any mirror by ip ?? |
| 22:33.33 | karsten | w0jtas: Fix it or work around it. |
| 22:33.37 | karsten | !mirrors |
| 22:33.37 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 22:33.44 | mmnicolas | so, it is better apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 22:33.55 | tarzeau | mmnicolas: it's like vim vs emacs |
| 22:34.01 | tarzeau | mmnicolas: some people like one, some the other |
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| 22:34.03 | arraista | people, insmod is segfault'ing for me. i am not sure if its related, but i upgraded from etch to lenny today. any ideas? |
| 22:34.03 | karsten | w0jtas: Resove one and plug in the IP. Note that that may not work as these may be virthosted. So you'd have to create an /etc/hosts entry. |
| 22:34.07 | karsten | mmnicolas: aptitude |
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| 22:34.10 | Havis | mmnicolas: use aptitude it's newer :) |
| 22:34.13 | mmnicolas | tarzeau: so we just roll a dice |
| 22:34.17 | mmnicolas | :P |
| 22:34.19 | tarzeau | Havis: newer isn't always better |
| 22:34.20 | mmnicolas | ok |
| 22:34.21 | karsten | tarzeau: No, vim|emacs are not replacements for one another. |
| 22:34.36 | flami | use uhm porn-get |
| 22:34.39 | karsten | tarzeau: aptitude *is* a replacment for apt-get. |
| 22:34.47 | tarzeau | karsten: emacs is a replacement for vim too |
| 22:34.52 | weitzman | x seems to default to the highest resolution in xorg.conf (I tried reordering the resolutions but that didn't change it). Is there any way to make the default not the highest resolution? |
| 22:35.02 | twobitsprite | damn time-warner! |
| 22:35.07 | wols | arraista: why didn't you check BTS? |
| 22:35.10 | EnsignRedshirt | Heh, and ubuntu is a replacement for debian /me ducks |
| 22:35.10 | Havis | tarzeau: well older doesnt mean always "better" too ;) |
| 22:35.19 | wols | arraista: and why did you run insmod in the first place? |
| 22:35.26 | tarzeau | Havis: yes. but tell someone to use x because it's newer |
| 22:35.29 | karsten | tarzeau: Wrong. |
| 22:35.35 | tarzeau | karsten: wrong. |
| 22:35.38 | Absolute0 | /quit |
| 22:35.40 | h3sp4wn | arraista: The version in sid has a fix |
| 22:35.41 | karsten | tarzeau: So, notepad is a replacement for Emacs? |
| 22:35.55 | wols | karsten: yes. a bad one but a replacement |
| 22:35.59 | tarzeau | karsten: so, dselect is a replacement for apt-get? |
| 22:36.09 | h3sp4wn | arraista: module-init-tools - either use the one from sid (with a backport or directly) or the one in etch |
| 22:36.11 | karsten | tarzeau: No. apt-get is a replacement for dselect. |
| 22:36.25 | tarzeau | karsten: but apt-get doesn't do some parts that dselect do |
| 22:36.26 | arraista | wols: tried googling, but couldn't find anything. i am trying to install the new drm.ko in order to test nouveau |
| 22:36.28 | karsten | tarzeau: Read the fucking changelogs and dd history and get your story straight. |
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| 22:36.34 | Thms | !paste |
| 22:36.35 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 22:36.44 | tarzeau | karsten: i know what i say. you go read on history |
| 22:36.44 | karsten | tarzeau: I'm sorry, where was it I said "perfect replacement"? |
| 22:36.51 | arraista | h3sp4wn: will try that, thanks |
| 22:36.51 | Havis | Aptitude is said to deal with dependencies better than apt-get. For example, say you install a package which automatically installs some library packages because it depends on them. When you remove this package with apt-get, it won't remove the libraries this package installed, although they aren't used anymore. |
| 22:36.55 | wols | arraista: a) I didn't say anything about google. I talked about BTS b) that still doesn't mean you should use insmod |
| 22:37.05 | tarzeau | karsten: it's not about perfect. it's just a few important things that each don't do |
| 22:37.16 | EnsignRedshirt | What is the worst that can happen if I uses apt-get after using aptitude? And does using Synaptic after aptitude have a similar effect? |
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| 22:37.30 | EnsignRedshirt | s/I uses/I use/ |
| 22:37.34 | twobitsprite | !ping |
| 22:37.34 | dpkg | pong |
| 22:37.38 | arraista | wols: and what _should_ i use? nouveau installation instructions told me to use insmod |
| 22:37.44 | h3sp4wn | arraista: fwiw - it works if called by its full path (i.e /sbin/insmod drm.ko) |
| 22:37.48 | wols | !insmod |
| 22:37.48 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 22:37.55 | h3sp4wn | arraista: fwiw - it works if called by its full path (i.e /sbin/insmod /path/to/drm.ko) |
| 22:37.57 | karsten | tarzeau: There are differences between the tools. They're not perfect. There are some things which an *ADVANCED* user may know are best accomplished in apt-get, or dselect. However in general, package installation / removal / update is best done in aptitude, if you want to have a consistent, stable, documented, well-managed system. |
| 22:38.00 | weitzman | No friendly X mavens in the house? |
| 22:38.01 | Havis | EnsignRedshirt: just use aptitude :) |
| 22:38.20 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: If you're relying on /var/log/aptitude to provide a full update history, you're screwed. |
| 22:38.23 | karsten | !tell weitzman about ask |
| 22:38.26 | tarzeau | karsten: bullshit |
| 22:38.37 | weitzman | I did ask, but nobody said anything |
| 22:38.46 | rahul | EnsignRedshirt: deinstallation of auto-installed deps will not be done |
| 22:39.03 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: ... and if you're relying on being able to cleanly install/remove dependent packages automatically, you lose that feature. |
| 22:39.14 | weitzman | I'll ask again for good measure: X seems to default to the highest resolution in xorg.conf (I tried reordering the resolutions but that didn't change it). Is there any way to make the default not the highest resolution? |
| 22:39.15 | rahul | karsten: I win. |
| 22:39.18 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: Your system won't blow up on you, probably, but it'll be a bit less shiny. |
| 22:39.19 | arraista | h3sp4wn: thanks. it does not segfaults anymore with the full path |
| 22:39.43 | karsten | weitzman: Reordering should do it. Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see why it didn't pick up the other reso. |
| 22:39.56 | weitzman | karsten: Hmm. Ok, I'll try that |
| 22:39.57 | karsten | tarzeau: Be specific. |
| 22:39.59 | EnsignRedshirt | karsten: Well, since I have been using apt-get since I started using debian, I am not relying on automatically removing packages that were installed as dependencies. |
| 22:40.08 | Acu | Apache2 question: I want to create a new virtual host : 1 ) I create a new directory in /var/www/ (called web2)/ 2) I create in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ a new file called web.com and enabled it by a2ensite - two questions: even I disabled the default ( a2dissite) when I browse as localhost it does attempt to go to open from olde apache2-default - what should I do? |
| 22:40.30 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: Since I'm arguing with an idiot (tarzau, not you), I'll just say, one last time, I strongly recommend aptitude. |
| 22:40.36 | rahul | EnsignRedshirt: sucks to be you |
| 22:40.53 | h3sp4wn | apt 0.7 has 'autoclean' anyone know how it compares with aptitude (I wouldn't expect it to be as good but I haven't tried it) |
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| 22:41.06 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: Now, mind, my 20 years Unix, 10 years Linux, and 8 years Debian experience, may not count for anything in this world, but that's my PoV. |
| 22:41.14 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: it's something different |
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| 22:41.24 | EnsignRedshirt | karsten: I understand, but I'm still hazy on what happens if I then uses Synaptic. Does that have the same effect as using apt-get after aptitude? |
| 22:41.33 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: man apt-get tells you the details |
| 22:41.36 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: There is something in the newest app that works like deborphan |
| 22:41.39 | Enverex | Has anyone made .deb packages for the 100.xxxx series nVidia drivers yet? |
| 22:41.44 | Havis | Acu: edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 22:41.49 | rahul | 100.x? |
| 22:41.58 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: can you be more specific what you mean with newest app? |
| 22:41.58 | wols | Enverex: no. do you have a 8600? |
| 22:42.02 | Enverex | rahul, or rather 100.xx.xx |
| 22:42.13 | Enverex | wols, There are other changes since 9755 |
| 22:42.16 | wols | karsten: way to be confrontational |
| 22:42.26 | wols | Enverex: such as? |
| 22:42.35 | Acu | Havis: so I should not disable it with a2dissite ? |
| 22:42.51 | Enverex | wols, Don't know the specifics. |
| 22:42.54 | rahul | 100?? |
| 22:43.01 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: I've answered that question already. |
| 22:43.01 | wols | Enverex: then why would you need it? |
| 22:43.02 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: I cannot find out as its only in apt 0.7.x (and as I don't want to break aptitude I won't upgrade it) |
| 22:43.06 | karsten | wols: ?? |
| 22:43.07 | rahul | they went from version 1 to 100 in one jump? |
| 22:43.14 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: but it gets rid of unused dependancies |
| 22:43.15 | Havis | Acu: you want to have two different websites on one nic? |
| 22:43.23 | Enverex | wols, We think we've found a driver bug with Vertex Shaders and I was going to try the absoloute latest drivers to see if there is any change |
| 22:43.26 | wols | calling others "idiot" |
| 22:43.52 | Acu | Havis: this is my ultimate intention yes |
| 22:43.58 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: i know. why do you tell me about things that i never had problems with? |
| 22:44.08 | rahul | wols: tarzeau was being ridiculously silly. |
| 22:44.11 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: it's like you're selling doors at a the door |
| 22:44.14 | karsten | wols: Insisting on being wrong meets my definition. |
| 22:44.22 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: I want to know how well it works |
| 22:44.27 | rahul | wols: simply claiming that he's right because without facts, he can't be proven wrong |
| 22:44.29 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: it's a solution for a problem that doesn't exist |
| 22:44.32 | Enverex | Anyway, does anyone know? |
| 22:44.41 | Havis | Acu: so you want to have two different IP adresses for one nic? and on each IP different website? |
| 22:44.45 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: That problem definately exists |
| 22:44.46 | EnsignRedshirt | karsten: I asked more than one question at a time, so I'm not sure what part of your answer was related to using Synaptic. |
| 22:44.48 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: i've only seen people with whined about stuff being removed that they wanted to keep |
| 22:44.50 | bolt | is there a kind of dns relay in debian? i have a bunch of statically configured machines and i want them all to use one of my machines as a dns server, so that i have a central point of changing that instead of having to plot in the new dns servers on every machine if they change |
| 22:44.50 | wols | Enverex: I already told you: it's not packaged yet |
| 22:44.50 | Acu | Havis: I think I am getting there - so the default stays there in any circumstance - you just edit it |
| 22:44.53 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: and told them to use apt-get |
| 22:44.57 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: Reread the asnwer |
| 22:44.58 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: they are happy users |
| 22:45.03 | Enverex | wols, Officially. I asked if "anyone" had. |
| 22:45.05 | m4ggus | s |
| 22:45.07 | Acu | Havis: I will have a single IP and two websites |
| 22:45.09 | m4ggus | ups :< |
| 22:45.17 | EnsignRedshirt | karsten: The "less shiny" answer? Or the "I don't use Synaptic" answer? |
| 22:45.17 | wols | !tell Enverex about anyone |
| 22:45.24 | Acu | Havis: and a single NIC |
| 22:45.26 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: One or the other |
| 22:45.33 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: ... or both |
| 22:45.46 | Havis | Acu: there is line in the default file something like RedirectMatch ^/s /apache2-default |
| 22:45.55 | tarzeau | rahul: how was i silly? |
| 22:45.56 | Kevin` | Acu this is quite possible of course, just need to figure out how the configuration file are ordered |
| 22:45.58 | Enverex | wols, Don't be a moron. It was a valid question. People package things for personal repos or just for their own machine. |
| 22:46.05 | weitzman | karsten: So the weird thing is, the log says the default mode is correct but it's not using the default mode. A few lines up it says "Virtual size is [size that's actually being used]" so I wonder if that's overriding the default somehow |
| 22:46.08 | Havis | Acu: just change the /apache2-default to your web something like /web1 or so :) |
| 22:46.11 | rahul | tarzeau: I already said how |
| 22:46.24 | weitzman | karsten: I know I can set the resolution I want as default with xrandr without problems |
| 22:46.37 | Havis | Acu: and dont forget to restart apache :) |
| 22:47.05 | rahul | tarzeau: people who rely on accidents to get the world to be exactly how they want deserve to lose |
| 22:47.10 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: Further WRT aptitude: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html aptitude is the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get. If you are still using dselect, you should switch to aptitude as the official frontend for package management. |
| 22:47.18 | mrynit | how do install a usb mic and get it to work with skype? |
| 22:47.30 | Havis | !ping |
| 22:47.31 | dpkg | pong |
| 22:47.36 | karsten | weitzman: Remove the size that's being used. *Just* include the size you want. |
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| 22:47.48 | tarzeau | rahul: i don't get you, please be specific |
| 22:47.51 | mrynit | alli likes her sause |
| 22:47.54 | rahul | sigh |
| 22:48.01 | rahul | tarzeau: are you schizophrenic? |
| 22:48.05 | tarzeau | rahul: don't talk about "people", "they"... |
| 22:48.06 | karsten | weitzman: IME X will display at a smaller size, but will use a virtual desktop at a higher res, if a valid higher res is specified. |
| 22:48.13 | rahul | tarzeau: you were the one talkingabout people |
| 22:48.17 | karsten | weitzman: Since you can resize using xrandr, just specify the size you want. |
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| 22:48.27 | tarzeau | rahul: feel free to quote me |
| 22:48.37 | rahul | tarzeau: but I guess you forgot what you claimed others complained about |
| 22:48.39 | karsten | rahul: Apparently. |
| 22:48.40 | tarzeau | rahul: if you refer to it, it's not within the last 24 lines |
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| 22:49.03 | rahul | tarzeau: is that the limit of your long-term memory? |
| 22:49.16 | tarzeau | rahul: no, it's my window size |
| 22:49.21 | rahul | so? |
| 22:49.34 | BleSS | how create a pacth of a file that is into a subdirectory? I've read http://www.cpqlinux.com/patch.html but I'm supposed that there'd be that create a second subdir. equal |
| 22:49.41 | weitzman | karsten: I'll tell you what I'm actually trying to do, so it's clear. I'm running debian in VMware and I want to be able to up the resolution and go full screen but default to a reasonable resolution |
| 22:50.03 | mrynit | 10min late my bet |
| 22:50.15 | karsten | weitzman: *shrug* Not really my baliwick. |
| 22:50.20 | tarzeau | why don't you just put the aptitude/apt-get stuff at wiki.debian.org/WHEREVER and paste the url on every occasion it's asked for? |
| 22:50.25 | tarzeau | karsten: that was for you |
| 22:50.57 | karsten | tarzeau: Hadn't really seen the need up until now. |
| 22:51.06 | mrynit | wrong chan sry |
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| 22:51.20 | karsten | tarzeau: ... however, the fact that it's relatively ummutably referenced in the Debian Release Notes (4.0) works for me. |
| 22:51.33 | karsten | s/umm/imm/ |
| 22:51.34 | tarzeau | karsten: then just reference people to it? |
| 22:51.43 | karsten | tarzeau: I'm doing that now. |
| 22:51.57 | karsten | tarzeau: Frankly, wouldn't be a need if you weren't so piss-headed about this. |
| 22:51.57 | rahul | tarzeau: I usually tell people to read the release notes |
| 22:52.04 | Havis | why are you two arguing about apt-get vs aptitude ;-) |
| 22:52.14 | tarzeau | karsten: i'm so because you value one tool more than another |
| 22:52.15 | rahul | tarzeau: you're the only one who makes it necessary, usually, anyway |
| 22:52.18 | karsten | tarzeau: ... and I wasn't sure where it was referenced, just turned that up. |
| 22:52.25 | tarzeau | karsten: if you'd do so in a neutral way, i wouldn't bother at all |
| 22:52.32 | ustunozgur | Havis: because someone called someone an idiot for using apt-get |
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| 22:52.43 | karsten | tarzeau: Um. I'm stating specific reasons, and official policy. You're the one who seems to have some vague handwave excuse. |
| 22:52.49 | rahul | if you use apt-get, you deserve to lose. |
| 22:52.50 | karsten | tarzeau: I've tried neutral. |
| 22:53.00 | tarzeau | rahul: bullshit |
| 22:53.01 | Enverex | Is there an easy way of making .deb files of nVidia drivers? |
| 22:53.04 | tarzeau | rahul: lose what? |
| 22:53.15 | tarzeau | rahul: there's nothing you lose by using apt-get |
| 22:53.16 | rahul | tarzeau: respect of everyone but you, heh |
| 22:53.17 | karsten | tarzeau: "you lose" is a colloquialism / idiom. |
| 22:53.20 | tarzeau | Enverex: no |
| 22:53.28 | rahul | tarzeau: that is demonstrably false |
| 22:53.29 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 22:53.29 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 22:53.32 | tarzeau | rahul: haha, what else? |
| 22:53.35 | rahul | tarzeau: and you know it. you're trolling. |
| 22:53.44 | Enverex | hrm, and installing them manually gives people in here an aneurism apparently, heh |
| 22:53.51 | tarzeau | rahul: i'm not trolling, you are |
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| 22:53.59 | karsten | tarzeau: you're making false statements. And trolling. |
| 22:54.05 | wols | karsten: nice try but besides the point. Enverex asks about 100.x |
| 22:54.05 | Havis | ustunozgur: oh :( ...but I still dont get it why they show so much "testosteron" :), just use apt-get or aptitude whichever you like more:) |
| 22:54.08 | tarzeau | karsten: state a false statement please |
| 22:54.11 | karsten | tarzeau: ... and that's a neutral statement. |
| 22:54.16 | karsten | 15:53 < tarzeau> rahul: there's nothing you lose by using apt-get |
| 22:54.22 | tarzeau | karsten: how's that false? |
| 22:54.32 | tarzeau | karsten: you can't lose something you didn't have |
| 22:54.35 | wols | Havis: it's a vi vs. emacs thing, a gpl/bsd flamewar |
| 22:54.36 | rahul | tarzeau: how is it TRUE? |
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| 22:54.49 | tarzeau | rahul: well you tell me what i lose when i use apt-get |
| 22:54.51 | karsten | tarzeau: "aptitude...has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get" (RNfDG/L4.0) |
| 22:54.58 | rahul | tarzeau: no, you know already. stop trolling. |
| 22:55.00 | karsten | tarzeau: URL previously noted. |
| 22:55.03 | tarzeau | karsten: proven to be? where's the facts? stats? WHERE? |
| 22:55.17 | rahul | tarzeau: take it up with the debian developers |
| 22:55.20 | Enverex | karsten, I know how to install the .run file and I know how to use the Debian pre-packaged ones, but neither of those are any use (everyone here screams not to use nVidia's own install and the Debian pre-packaged ones are old) |
| 22:55.25 | ustunozgur | he is one :) lol |
| 22:55.25 | tarzeau | rahul: huh? |
| 22:55.26 | karsten | tarzeau: Your problem. |
| 22:55.26 | Havis | wols: y ;-) maybe there should be a channel debian-flame :D |
| 22:55.26 | rahul | tarzeau: this is the official debian stance. |
| 22:55.36 | tarzeau | karsten: but i don't have problems |
| 22:55.37 | karsten | tarzeau: See also Joey Hess's debian-user post. |
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| 22:55.53 | streuner | hm |
| 22:55.57 | rahul | tarzeau: you have problems. problems with reading comprehension. |
| 22:56.09 | rahul | tarzeau: have you LOOKED at what aptitude does? |
| 22:56.18 | tarzeau | ok, i declare this trolling to be ended. and i declare rahul and karsten mad in their brains |
| 22:56.22 | streuner | rahul: and you have problems to unterstand what trolls are |
| 22:56.22 | rahul | tarzeau: or are you bashing aptitude without ever hanving looked at it? |
| 22:56.23 | tarzeau | rahul: yes i have |
| 22:56.24 | wols | Enverex: you can use the nvidia.com drivers. just come to us crying when it breaks |
| 22:56.28 | karsten | tarzeau: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2004-04/http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2004-04/ |
| 22:56.37 | karsten | tarzeau: Prove it. |
| 22:56.51 | Enverex | wols, Did you miss a "dont" out of that? |
| 22:56.52 | rahul | streuner: he is making blatantly false statements that will cause problems in here when he should know better |
| 22:56.54 | Guerin | tarzeau: declaring karsten and rahul mad isn't exactly a revelation to some of us |
| 22:56.57 | Acu | is any site with virtual hosts examples using apache 2.2 on Debian ? |
| 22:57.01 | Enverex | wols, and thanks for being so caring |
| 22:57.01 | karsten | streuner: See scrollback. |
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| 22:57.07 | wols | Enverex: thank you for returning it |
| 22:57.07 | streuner | rahul: if you want attac people who have own thoughts, you shouldn't be suprised if sometime somebody call you a troll then.. |
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| 22:57.10 | karsten | Guerin: Damnit, don't I bribe you enough? |
| 22:57.21 | tarzeau | Guerin: it's not one to us either when they tell me to stop trolling, when i'm not |
| 22:57.23 | wols | Enverex: in fact, if we see someone with a 8600, we actually tell him to use nvidia.com's if he wants 4d |
| 22:57.24 | rahul | streuner: ok, so debian is based on windows |
| 22:57.28 | Guerin | karsten: for the troughs, sure. But not for the peaks. |
| 22:57.28 | rahul | that is my own thought! |
| 22:57.37 | karsten | Guerin: Feh. |
| 22:57.52 | pipeline | wols: nvidia drivers let us move through time |
| 22:57.55 | Enverex | wols, ... you don't have to take the piss |
| 22:58.09 | Guerin | hey, i'm not a midget! |
| 22:58.15 | tarzeau | ugh not so fast! |
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| 22:58.17 | Havis | acu: try this: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/virtualhosts.htm |
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| 22:58.37 | wols | Guerin: but you sur look wider than tall |
| 22:58.44 | vyrus001 | so ive never done sd card access on linux.... ive got the mmc/sd drivers included staticly into my kernel, now what |
| 22:58.46 | vyrus001 | ? |
| 22:59.02 | Guerin | wols: lies! |
| 22:59.04 | streuner | karsten: keep in mind, what is Debian without people who think otherwise... |
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| 22:59.17 | tarzeau | Guerin: i didn't go to fitness a year long for nothing, after all |
| 22:59.23 | karsten | streuner: It's one thing to think otherwise. |
| 22:59.39 | karsten | streuner: It's another to hand out bad advice to n00bs, ignoring or directly contradicting facts. |
| 22:59.40 | rahul | streuner: ok, so I will claim that debian is based on windows. |
| 22:59.49 | rahul | streuner: if you say I'm trolling, you are the troll. |
| 22:59.52 | Guerin | tarzeau: have you ever done that crazy turkish olive-oil wrestling? |
| 23:00.01 | tarzeau | karsten: if apt-get is bad, file a bugreport with removal request |
| 23:00.03 | doublehp | how to send a break over serial line using CLI ? ( I imagine that cat/echo can not do; I am just looking for a rapid way to do it in scripts ) |
| 23:00.06 | karsten | rahul: Take it easy, streuner's trying to sort this out AFAICT. |
| 23:00.18 | tarzeau | Guerin: heh no, just seen it |
| 23:00.21 | karsten | tarzeau: Considering it's included in apt, I'm thining of just that. |
| 23:00.28 | Guerin | tarzeau: those dudes look fearsome |
| 23:00.32 | rahul | karsten: well, he claimed that I was the one trolling |
| 23:00.41 | Enverex | wols, How often do new drivers normally get released in Debian then? (assuming any repo) |
| 23:00.43 | tarzeau | Guerin: i'd rather watch women do that |
| 23:00.47 | Guerin | apt-get can still do a couple things aptitude can't |
| 23:00.48 | ustunozgur | karsten: exactly, what bad memories did you have with apt-get? |
| 23:00.52 | Guerin | tarzeau: true. |
| 23:00.53 | karsten | rahul: Give him a modest break. He's german, that's a handicap ;-) |
| 23:00.57 | rahul | heh |
| 23:01.07 | rahul | Guerin: a _couple_ |
| 23:01.13 | rahul | Guerin: most of which newbies never need to do |
| 23:01.17 | wols | Enverex: do you remember when 97.55 came out? |
| 23:01.19 | Guerin | rahul: build-dep and something else, yeah |
| 23:01.28 | karsten | ustunozgur: Relatively few, however: 1: aptitude is better in virtually any regard, and 2: mixing aptitude and apt-get at best negates those advantages. |
| 23:01.33 | wols | Enverex: around x-mas 2006 |
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| 23:01.44 | rahul | Guerin: and since they're not even _commands_ in aptitude, it won't confuse anyone |
| 23:01.51 | wols | but I doubt nvidia has many/any whql since then either |
| 23:02.04 | rahul | Guerin: just tell them to use apt-get whatever to do this other thing they happen to need to do |
| 23:02.10 | Guerin | rahul: right, but that functionality is useful, and removing apt-get would mean it's no longer there |
| 23:02.14 | mmlj4 | aptitude is ncurses-based? |
| 23:02.14 | Enverex | ... erm, Why the hell would Linux drivers be "Windows Hardware Quality Labs" certified? |
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| 23:02.22 | wols | they had vista problems if you remmember. still not sure if 8800 sli actually works now in DX10 mode... |
| 23:02.24 | rahul | Guerin: who said to remove apt-get? |
| 23:02.27 | Havis | mmlj4: y |
| 23:02.29 | rahul | Guerin: other than tarzeau |
| 23:02.33 | Guerin | rahul: streuner and karsten ? |
| 23:02.37 | mmlj4 | ok, then cron is out |
| 23:02.38 | rahul | Guerin: really? |
| 23:02.54 | tarzeau | rahul: if it's in debian i can support it, can't i? |
| 23:02.56 | wols | mmlj4: it can run commandline style too |
| 23:03.01 | Guerin | rahul: tarzeau and karsten, my bad |
| 23:03.02 | tarzeau | rahul: if you don't want me to support it, have it removed |
| 23:03.03 | rahul | tarzeau: you can support it as a tool |
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| 23:03.07 | wols | mmlj4: just like apt-get |
| 23:03.12 | rahul | tarzeau: you shouldn't claim that it is something it's not |
| 23:03.12 | mmlj4 | ah. in that case, I'm sticking with apt-get |
| 23:03.16 | tarzeau | rahul: i very well |
| 23:03.23 | rahul | mmlj4: uh, that's a silly statement |
| 23:03.23 | Enverex | wols, Anyway, the point is I'm trying to get to the base of a vertex issue while helping code for Wine but there seems to be a driver issue, so I need to update but... apparently that's not possible on Debian |
| 23:03.24 | Guerin | this is just a case of inertia |
| 23:03.24 | tarzeau | can |
| 23:03.30 | Guerin | i bet you people still use ed as well |
| 23:03.58 | tarzeau | Guerin: that'd be dpkg -i way and wget of resolving deps |
| 23:04.02 | mmlj4 | when the developers deprecate apt-get, i'll switch |
| 23:04.08 | Guerin | tarzeau: heh |
| 23:04.08 | rahul | mmlj4: they have. |
| 23:04.10 | wols | Enverex: if you know what you're doing, use the 100.x if you want to. no one is keeping you back |
| 23:04.17 | Ankman | ed is installed because patch needs it |
| 23:04.18 | tarzeau | mmlj4: not going to happen any time soon |
| 23:04.18 | wols | and it is even doable to switch back to debiN's later |
| 23:04.20 | tarzeau | rahul: no they didn't |
| 23:04.24 | rahul | tarzeau: yes they did |
| 23:04.26 | Ankman | otherwise i don't need it |
| 23:04.28 | tarzeau | rahul: reference? |
| 23:04.30 | Guerin | did not |
| 23:04.31 | Guerin | did too |
| 23:04.33 | Guerin | did not |
| 23:04.34 | Guerin | did too |
| 23:04.35 | mmlj4 | this is a silly argument, you guys have at it |
| 23:04.41 | Guerin | come on people, be adult |
| 23:04.42 | rahul | tarzeau: already provided. stop trolling. |
| 23:04.48 | streuner | argh |
| 23:04.49 | tarzeau | rahul: no you didn't |
| 23:04.53 | Guerin | did too |
| 23:04.54 | tarzeau | rahul: you can stop trolling |
| 23:04.56 | Havis | I am not sure if apt-get dist-upgrade is still supported to switch between releases... |
| 23:04.58 | rahul | tarzeau: sure, I didn't, but karsten did. |
| 23:05.03 | Enverex | wols, Yes but basically being told "we'll all just tell you to fuck off" if anything ever goes wrong on my system in the future doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. It's hard enough to get any support in this channel in the first place. |
| 23:05.04 | tarzeau | rahul: no he didn't |
| 23:05.08 | Guerin | did too |
| 23:05.08 | rahul | . . . |
| 23:05.09 | h3sp4wn | Enverex: apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers - hack it in |
| 23:05.11 | tarzeau | rahul: posting an url to google is not a reference |
| 23:05.21 | rahul | url to google? |
| 23:05.26 | tarzeau | rahul: posting an url to a huge list of mails on a mailinglist isn't either |
| 23:05.32 | rahul | tarzeau: so you've never read the debian 4.0 release notes? |
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| 23:05.38 | wols | rahul: even dselect still exists and works (for small values of "works" I guess...) so neither it nor apt-get is really deprecated |
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| 23:05.45 | tarzeau | rahul: i've read it |
| 23:05.58 | rahul | wols: that's nonsense |
| 23:06.04 | tarzeau | rahul: no it's not |
| 23:06.08 | rahul | wols: for something to be deprecated it NEEDS TO EXIST |
| 23:06.10 | Guerin | wols: just because it still happens to work don't mean it ain't deprecated |
| 23:06.20 | Guerin | 2.4 kernels, for instance |
| 23:06.24 | rahul | wols: if it didn't exist, it couldn't be deprecated |
| 23:06.26 | Guerin | and telnet |
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| 23:06.28 | wols | Enverex: no one will debug a system with nvidia drivers (or fglrx).if you report a kernel bug then, kdenel-devs won#t even look at you until you can reproduce with nv |
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| 23:06.42 | Acu | Havis: the examples are very different from what default looks on a freshly installed apache2.2 in Debian - I was wondering whether I have to change something in apache2.conf so anytime I try localhost it doesnot mindlessly try to go to /apache2-default ? |
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| 23:06.59 | Enverex | wols, I mean if I have dodgy stuff start happening... but, meh, looks like I don't exactly have much chioce anyway |
| 23:07.07 | wols | Guerin: 2.4 kernels are still cared for. still get new versions |
| 23:07.08 | ivx | hey what exactly does dpkg-reconfigure do? |
| 23:07.24 | tarzeau | wols: debian sid glibc don't support them anymore |
| 23:07.39 | streuner | reconfigure you config of a package which supports debconf |
| 23:07.45 | wols | Enverex: if you ahve dodgy stuff happening while nvidia is on the system, then no one will elp you unless you can reproduce with nvor vesa. no matter how you install it |
| 23:07.46 | rahul | ivx: invokes the debconf script for a package and makes it re-ask the questions |
| 23:07.49 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
| 23:08.08 | Wyzard | Why does mdadm default to version 0.90 format superblocks rather than 1.x? |
| 23:08.11 | Enverex | wols, Right, kinda restricts Linux... a bit doesn't it |
| 23:08.11 | Havis | acu: not in apache2 conf you have to change a line in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default from RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/ to RedirectMatch ^/$ /web/ |
| 23:08.19 | streuner | ivx: if that package supports debconf, it configure the package *again* |
| 23:08.21 | Havis | Acu: and be sure to have default enabled |
| 23:08.27 | rahul | Enverex: it restricts linux to what it is |
| 23:08.38 | wols | Enverex: not linux' fault if nvidia likes to pülay it that way. nothing linux can do |
| 23:08.46 | Acu | is there any book which deals with Debian Etch Apache 2.2 virtual hosts configuration ?--- Havis: oK I will try this |
| 23:08.54 | Absolute0 | how do i change gtk themes? gtk-theme-switch doesnt seem to work it only displays 3 generic themes but i have way more... |
| 23:08.59 | rahul | Enverex: you might as well ask #debian to support weblogic. |
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| 23:09.03 | Enverex | wols, Well if my sound-card keeps resetting it's volume levels, I don't see why I need to start using nv instead |
| 23:09.06 | tarzeau | Absolute0: try the switch2 thing? |
| 23:09.15 | Absolute0 | what pkg is that in? |
| 23:09.20 | Havis | Acu: there are many tutorials on the web :) |
| 23:09.21 | tarzeau | Absolute0: same |
| 23:09.23 | rahul | Enverex: to prove that it's not something wacky that nvidia did and won't tell us about |
| 23:09.24 | wols | Enverex: cause we have a monolithic kernel for better or worse |
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| 23:09.29 | ivx | rahul, okay well i don't know if that will help me. i have bind9 on a server, i got a new ip for that server, and everything set to the old ip, what would reinstall bind again so i can start over, do i have to remvoe then install again? |
| 23:09.31 | streuner | Absolute0: sound like you need what tarzeau said, you prolly need gtk2 anyway |
| 23:09.37 | karsten | Acu: Any decent Apache docs will do that. |
| 23:09.37 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 23:09.39 | Absolute0 | yup |
| 23:09.40 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 23:09.45 | tarzeau | streuner: no jus call the same tool with a 2 as postfix |
| 23:09.53 | Enverex | rahul, Sounds more like paranoia because the chances of it actually being because of that are incredibly slim |
| 23:09.54 | wols | and nvidia's driver are far from bug free. they could shit into any memory cell out there all at once |
| 23:09.54 | Absolute0 | now how do i get the murrine theme, its not in the standard repos.. |
| 23:09.57 | rahul | ivx: you want to change your zone files? |
| 23:10.00 | Acu | karsten: very true except for Debian |
| 23:10.02 | tarzeau | streuner: another leftover of the gtk1/gtk2 mess |
| 23:10.06 | rahul | Enverex: it's written in C. |
| 23:10.14 | tarzeau | streuner: i will drink a wine the day gtk dies |
| 23:10.16 | karsten | Acu: That part doesn't matter. |
| 23:10.27 | ivx | rahul, yes, i am using isp config, but somehow they are messed up so i can't change them in there, and i don't know how to do it manually |
| 23:10.42 | rahul | Enverex: and you can trivially choose to not load it and reproduce the bug |
| 23:10.46 | karsten | tarzeau: Once again for your reading pleasure, aptitude is preferred, dselect is specifically deprecated, apt-get is specifically inferior: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html |
| 23:10.53 | rahul | ivx: how would we know? |
| 23:10.54 | ivx | rahul, so i was thinking just reinstall and make them again in ispconfig |
| 23:11.22 | rahul | why would reinstalling be necessary for editing a zone file? |
| 23:11.24 | Havis | karsten: why are you trying to explain it to them when they doesnt listen? |
| 23:11.28 | karsten | Acu: As with most well-designed software, the OS or distro apache is running on doesn't make a material difference here. |
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| 23:11.39 | zanahorio | re |
| 23:11.39 | ivx | rahul, i was asking how to uninstall that package to all the zone files are gone, or if there is a command to do a complete reinstall of it |
| 23:11.40 | tarzeau | karsten: there's nothing about apt-get being deprecated there |
| 23:11.40 | h3sp4wn | Enverex: I have had issues with my soundcard directly caused by that junk nvidia driver sharing an interrupt with it |
| 23:11.41 | zanahorio | ññññ |
| 23:11.44 | karsten | Havis: To make it painfully obvious that he's not listening, to everyone else if not himself. |
| 23:11.47 | zanahorio | pos si, y no he escrito nada en el terminal |
| 23:11.48 | tarzeau | karsten: please stop all your lies! |
| 23:11.50 | zanahorio | que cosas mas raras pasan |
| 23:11.50 | karsten | zanahorio: English |
| 23:11.50 | rahul | ivx: delete the zone files. |
| 23:11.52 | karsten | !es |
| 23:11.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:12.00 | zanahorio | oh |
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| 23:12.03 | zanahorio | sorry |
| 23:12.04 | zanahorio | XDDD |
| 23:12.06 | Havis | karsten: right, he can confuse others .... |
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| 23:12.17 | Enverex | Every time I start getting back into Linux things start just pushing me away again, grrr |
| 23:12.23 | rahul | tarzeau: STOP TROLLING |
| 23:12.30 | karsten | rahul: Lay off, talk to ops. |
| 23:12.31 | Acu | Havis: in Debian's Apache /etc/apache2/sites-available/default there is no RedirectMatch |
| 23:12.32 | rahul | tarzeau: read something before claiming things about it |
| 23:12.39 | karsten | tarzeau: ... which I'm doing as well, BTW. |
| 23:12.41 | Ankman | !pron |
| 23:12.42 | Guerin | Enverex: solution: don't use broken proprietary drivers. |
| 23:12.42 | tarzeau | rahul: i've read it |
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| 23:12.52 | ivx | rahul, which ones are they, in my etc/bind/ dir? |
| 23:12.55 | rahul | tarzeau: "aptitude is the preferred program for package management from console." |
| 23:13.11 | rahul | ivx: why not just use the config tool you're using to edit it? |
| 23:13.12 | Enverex | Guerin, and use what? The nv driver? That thing is a joke |
| 23:13.17 | tarzeau | rahul: where do you see depreciation? |
| 23:13.17 | rahul | ivx: just edit what needs changing |
| 23:13.20 | karsten | !aptitude |
| 23:13.20 | rahul | tarzeau: right there |
| 23:13.20 | dpkg | aptitude is a modern frontend to libapt. For the most part, you can use it as a drop in replacement for apt-get. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> and install aptitude-doc-en (or the aptitude-doc-* package appropriate for your locale), or see http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Aptitude_-_using_together_with_Synaptic_and_Apt-get |
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| 23:13.29 | tarzeau | rahul: you've got too much fantasy |
| 23:13.30 | Havis | acu: line 17 of that file, I am looking on a fresh config file :) |
| 23:13.40 | ivx | rahul, for some reason the tool i am using won't let me, so i just want to delete them and make them again |
| 23:13.41 | Guerin | Enverex: if you want to playgames, use windows. Use the right tool for the job. NV is *superb* for 2d stuff. |
| 23:13.42 | tarzeau | rahul: apt-get is in no way less valuable |
| 23:13.52 | ivx | rahul, but the tool won't let me delete them either |
| 23:13.52 | rahul | tarzeau: aptitude is preferred by the debian development team |
| 23:14.00 | tarzeau | rahul: says rahul |
| 23:14.10 | rahul | tarzeau: I'm www.debian.org? |
| 23:14.16 | rahul | tarzeau: are you done trolling? |
| 23:14.17 | Acu | Havis: Mea Culpa - I see it now |
| 23:14.24 | Havis | acu: ;-) |
| 23:14.27 | tarzeau | rahul: i never was trolling |
| 23:14.32 | streuner | rahul: Stop that bullshit! |
| 23:14.34 | Guerin | rahul is the real, secret DPL |
| 23:14.39 | Enverex | Guerin, It was horrible at web pages and a few other things for me. Plus I'm a Wine dev so I need something that can actually run the games, heh. |
| 23:14.40 | rahul | tarzeau: you are directly contradicting what is on www.debian.org |
| 23:14.41 | Guerin | the power behind the throne! |
| 23:14.44 | ustunozgur | rahul: well, that manual is written by a person, right? not by the 100 % consent of all developers |
| 23:14.54 | tarzeau | rahul: you're insane |
| 23:14.57 | streuner | rahul: if you going to use that word again, iam very pissed |
| 23:14.59 | Guerin | Enverex: nv broke web pages? Which? |
| 23:15.07 | ustunozgur | rahul: why do you treat it like the holy book? |
| 23:15.10 | Guerin | Enverex: and how? |
| 23:15.19 | rahul | streuner: he IS trolling. he is saying things that are false and claiming that I'm telling lies. |
| 23:15.22 | ustunozgur | and preferred is not a strong choice of word |
| 23:15.24 | Guerin | Enverex: aside from the fact it's not strictly possible |
| 23:15.25 | Enverex | Guerin, Didn't break, just rendered slowly |
| 23:15.31 | ustunozgur | it is just *preferred* |
| 23:15.31 | streuner | rahul: use /ignore |
| 23:15.32 | rahul | ustunozgur: preferred is as strong as deprecated |
| 23:15.33 | Enverex | Guerin, I didn't say it broke anything |
| 23:15.43 | rahul | streuner: no, since it harms the newbies asking for help |
| 23:15.45 | streuner | tarzeau: use /ignore too |
| 23:15.48 | ustunozgur | oh, how do you say that? preferred as strong as deprecated? |
| 23:15.50 | karsten | Guerin: Ssh! Don't tell anyone. |
| 23:15.56 | karsten | streuner: That doesn't work here. |
| 23:15.58 | rahul | ustunozgur: that's what deprecation IS |
| 23:16.06 | karsten | streuner: We *don't* want to ignore bad advice. |
| 23:16.12 | tarzeau | rahul: dict depreciation |
| 23:16.23 | streuner | karsten: sure, we didn't, but we don't need trouble here |
| 23:16.23 | rahul | streuner: he is giving newbies advice that directly contradicts the debian release notes |
| 23:16.25 | ustunozgur | I thought all this was about choices. debian by default uses nano I think for editing, |
| 23:16.26 | Guerin | depreciation is different from deprecation |
| 23:16.28 | karsten | streuner: I smell a stern ops talking-to or ban, frankly. |
| 23:16.33 | karsten | streuner: I disagree. |
| 23:16.36 | Guerin | just to confuse non-native Englishers |
| 23:16.45 | tarzeau | rahul: i'm not giving newbies advice that directly contradicts the debian release notes |
| 23:16.46 | karsten | streuner: strongly. |
| 23:17.14 | karsten | tarzeau: You're not making sense, frankly. You're grossly inconsistant. And you *are* directly contradicting Debian documentation. |
| 23:17.29 | rahul | tarzeau: will you READ something before claiming things about it? |
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| 23:17.43 | rahul | tarzeau: you claimed that I made up the quote I gave from the debian release notes |
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| 23:17.55 | karsten | rahul: He claims to have, by which reasonable folks can assume he's not rational. |
| 23:18.07 | tarzeau | karsten: i'm very consistent |
| 23:18.22 | rahul | yes, you're very consistent in your denial of reality |
| 23:18.26 | karsten | tarzeau: Yes, you're consistently inconsistent. |
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| 23:18.54 | streuner | What the fuck is going on? |
| 23:19.04 | streuner | Do YOU want really want a ban? |
| 23:19.08 | rahul | wtf |
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| 23:19.17 | rahul | you're going to ban us for quoting the debian release notes? |
| 23:19.18 | karsten | streuner: If he won't behave, yes. |
| 23:19.20 | streuner | so SHUT UP NOW! |
| 23:19.38 | rahul | streuner: is the official #debian line that the debian release notes are wrong? |
| 23:19.39 | Guerin | the only solution is to have the two of them participate in a battle |
| 23:19.48 | tarzeau | karsten: you're attacking me personally for what? i wasn't misbehaving ever |
| 23:19.54 | Enverex | A challenger appears! |
| 23:19.57 | rahul | tarzeau: you ARE misbehaving. |
| 23:20.04 | tarzeau | rahul: you LIE! |
| 23:20.16 | Bigbang | hello. I want to install debian/mips on a cobalt qube2, but when the installer ask me to choose an debian archive mirror, i cant select one because there are not available. what can i do ? |
| 23:20.26 | rahul | "ptitude is the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get. If you are still using dselect, you should switch to aptitude as the official frontend for package management." |
| 23:20.27 | tarzeau | rahul: are you a lawyer that you turn preference into deprecation? |
| 23:20.31 | rahul | +a |
| 23:20.34 | h3sp4wn | Bigbang: You certain its not mipsel |
| 23:20.53 | Bigbang | h3sp4wn, excuse me ? |
| 23:20.55 | tarzeau | Bigbang: open a 2nd terminal, configure the network, continue. #mipslinux |
| 23:21.00 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: yes he is |
| 23:21.06 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: since he got that far already |
| 23:21.33 | rahul | 4. A strong expression of disapprobation; an expression of a low opinion. |
| 23:21.41 | g00se | !aptitude |
| 23:21.41 | dpkg | aptitude is a modern frontend to libapt. For the most part, you can use it as a drop in replacement for apt-get. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> and install aptitude-doc-en (or the aptitude-doc-* package appropriate for your locale), or see http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/Aptitude_-_using_together_with_Synaptic_and_Apt-get |
| 23:21.45 | rahul | a preference of something vs. something else is a deprecation of what is not preferred. |
| 23:22.08 | tarzeau | rahul: it's good you don't do translations |
| 23:22.11 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: cobalt is mipsel for every one i have used |
| 23:22.22 | Bigbang | yes |
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| 23:22.46 | karsten | dpkg: aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get. If you are still using dselect, you should switch to aptitude as the official frontend for package management." (Release Notes for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptiutde. See <why ap |
| 23:22.46 | dpkg | ...but aptitude is already something else... |
| 23:22.48 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: then i guess he got the right one, and just called it mips in here |
| 23:22.53 | karsten | dpkg: forget aptitude |
| 23:22.53 | dpkg | karsten: i forgot aptitude |
| 23:22.56 | karsten | dpkg: aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get. If you are still using dselect, you should switch to aptitude as the official frontend for package management." (Release Notes for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptiutde. See <why ap |
| 23:23.07 | rahul | it was cut off just after "see ..." |
| 23:23.18 | tarzeau | rahul: you broke it! |
| 23:23.19 | karsten | Feh. |
| 23:23.29 | streuner | haha |
| 23:23.30 | rahul | tarzeau: I broke the debian release notes? |
| 23:23.38 | tarzeau | rahul: you broke the aptitude fact |
| 23:23.43 | rahul | I did? |
| 23:23.48 | rahul | I did nothing to the aptitude fact. |
| 23:23.51 | streuner | !factinfo aptitude |
| 23:23.51 | dpkg | streuner: there's no such factoid as aptitude |
| 23:23.55 | tarzeau | rahul: yes, it's circumsized |
| 23:24.04 | rahul | tarzeau: stfu, I didn't do anything. |
| 23:24.06 | karsten | dpkg: forget aptitude |
| 23:24.07 | dpkg | karsten: i didn't have anything called 'aptitude' to forget |
| 23:24.10 | karsten | aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptiutde. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 23:24.14 | streuner | karsten: the factoid is too long... |
| 23:24.15 | tarzeau | rahul: karsten did |
| 23:24.17 | karsten | dpkg: aptitude is is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptiutde. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 23:24.17 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
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| 23:24.23 | streuner | done |
| 23:24.25 | streuner | finally |
| 23:24.26 | rahul | tarzeau: and what does that have to do with me? |
| 23:24.29 | Enverex | wols, The odd thing I found is that I thought Sid was supposed to be sort of "cutting edge". Old graphics drivers seem a bit out of place. |
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| 23:24.32 | tarzeau | rahul: nothing |
| 23:24.33 | icatalina | hi |
| 23:24.34 | karsten | Fek. |
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| 23:24.42 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: can we lock the aptitude factoid, do you think? |
| 23:24.44 | rahul | tarzeau: so what are you on about? |
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| 23:24.54 | wols | Enverex: debian is done by volunteers |
| 23:24.55 | icatalina | i want to mark a file as hidden in a fat32 parition to hide it on windows, any idea? |
| 23:24.56 | streuner | Guerin: /lock would work |
| 23:25.00 | tech13 | I recently got a USB Flash Disk. I've copied two files (152K total) to it and unmounted it. (via KDE - safely remove) It has been flashing for the last few minutes since. Where are some places to check what it is up to? |
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| 23:25.05 | arooni | where should i put a ruby script that i want to eventually run on system startup? |
| 23:25.07 | tarzeau | rahul: killing medusa in my nethack game... |
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| 23:25.21 | rahul | that's why I'm a lawyer? |
| 23:25.26 | Drunken_Munky | hey |
| 23:25.28 | Guerin | arooni: either call it in an init script or put it in bootmisc.sh |
| 23:25.47 | rahul | or is that why I'm not translating? |
| 23:25.49 | wols | !rc.local |
| 23:25.49 | dpkg | it has been said that rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
| 23:25.50 | Guerin | arooni: see /etc/init.d/skeleton for how to make an init script, it's not hard |
| 23:25.57 | Enverex | tarzeau, By circumsising it? |
| 23:26.10 | arooni | Guerin: but i would save the init script in /etc/init.d |
| 23:26.12 | rahul | or were you saying that the translation of the release notes into some other language says something different from the english ones? |
| 23:26.14 | arooni | ? |
| 23:26.19 | Guerin | arooni: you would indeed |
| 23:26.35 | karsten | rahul: Drop it. |
| 23:26.41 | ustunozgur | see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401317 The main reason that preferred is there is that the curses interface. |
| 23:26.56 | karsten | Guerin: I'm done twiddling the factoid, you can lock it now ;-) |
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| 23:27.09 | rahul | ustunozgur: that's not what the release notes say. |
| 23:27.11 | ustunozgur | the mail is from osamu, who happens to be the author of the reference page too. |
| 23:27.13 | Guerin | dpkg: lock aptitude |
| 23:27.17 | tarzeau | rahul: i'm just saying one shouldn't replace words of a certain meaning with different ones with another meaning |
| 23:27.24 | arooni | Guerin: /join #vim |
| 23:27.24 | ustunozgur | the authors of the mail amnd the ref are the SAME! |
| 23:27.28 | Guerin | dpkg> sorry, locking cannot be used since it can be abused unneccesarily. |
| 23:27.29 | rahul | tarzeau: they're not a different meaning. |
| 23:27.33 | tarzeau | rahul: yes they are |
| 23:27.43 | Guerin | arooni: are you out of your mind? I'm an emacs user, thay'd flay me alive! |
| 23:27.47 | Acu | Havis: thanks for your help - I am not yet done seting the virtual hosts but I am closer: one last question - so keep the default - just redirect it to the site which you want to be your "first" and create by copy and paste and rename it to diferent directories containing different websites (all of this in the /etc/apache2/available-sites) Is this correct ? |
| 23:27.48 | rahul | tarzeau: the meaning specifically references preference |
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| 23:27.57 | arooni | hehe |
| 23:27.59 | rahul | tarzeau: via opinion |
| 23:28.00 | streuner | Guerin: prolly karsten is able to do that |
| 23:28.00 | arooni | i messed up ;P |
| 23:28.05 | tarzeau | rahul: if you say "i don't prefer to eat strawberry ice cream." that doesn't mean "i deprecate chocolate ice cream." |
| 23:28.08 | ustunozgur | But its contents looks still just as the result of s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 23:28.08 | ustunozgur | and s/apt-cache/aptitude/ . |
| 23:28.08 | ustunozgur | Considering aptitude's cli was a new additional feature and aptitude |
| 23:28.08 | ustunozgur | comes with very solid visual mode, we should use it. It also had great |
| 23:28.08 | ustunozgur | enhancement for etch. |
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| 23:28.15 | karsten | streuner: Nope. dondelelcaro |
| 23:28.18 | streuner | Guerin: the creator of the factoid itselfs |
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| 23:28.28 | streuner | !factinfo streuner |
| 23:28.28 | dpkg | streuner -- created by streuner <foobar@pD9531CBA.dip.t-dialin.net> at Tue May 3 07:10:37 2005 (774 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by streuner at Wed Apr 18 15:00:21 2007; it has been locked by streuner. |
| 23:28.32 | tarzeau | rahul: there's no occurence of deprecation |
| 23:28.35 | Guerin | nifty |
| 23:28.42 | ustunozgur | that is what your prophet says. |
| 23:28.42 | tarzeau | rahul: stop adding strong words on your own |
| 23:28.57 | rahul | tarzeau: aptitude is the tool the developers prefer for you to use |
| 23:29.07 | tarzeau | rahul: "the developers" |
| 23:29.10 | rahul | yes |
| 23:29.15 | karsten | streuner: Apparently not, probably because it was created, though I nuked the content in editing it. |
| 23:29.16 | fasta | http://paste.debian.net/30694 <- what's the cause of these problems? It almost always happens when I upgrade X, but this time I didn't do that. |
| 23:29.18 | sussudio | DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS |
| 23:29.23 | karsten | rahul: tarzeau Drop it. |
| 23:29.25 | Guerin | streuner: chair |
| 23:29.28 | rahul | BADGERS BADGERS BADGERS |
| 23:29.28 | badgers | rahul: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:29.30 | Guerin | sussudio: chair |
| 23:29.34 | tarzeau | SNAKE |
| 23:29.40 | sussudio | Guerin: love... lamp. |
| 23:29.43 | rahul | badgers: no |
| 23:29.43 | badgers | No Offense |
| 23:29.46 | rahul | heh |
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| 23:29.52 | ccvp` | Hello fellow internet addicts! :) - - Are we all looking forward to another Long & Glorious weekend of irc? :) - - are you all looking forward to getting your "Monitor Tan" again, getting paler by the second, more stomach hanging by the second, via sitting in the chair all day eating pizza etc :) |
| 23:29.56 | ccvp` | :) |
| 23:30.06 | Enverex | !constant bitching |
| 23:30.18 | rahul | ccvp`: no |
| 23:30.25 | Guerin | ccvp`: dunno about you but I'm about to head out into the Bog Room With The Grey Ceiling Where Water Falls From The Sky |
| 23:30.26 | sussudio | ccvp`: eat fecal matter and perish? |
| 23:30.28 | rahul | ccvp`: I'm looking forward to jello wrestling |
| 23:30.41 | mick_home | damn what is the "hello world" debian package. i thought it was "moo" or "cow" or something |
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| 23:30.50 | Guerin | mick_home: hello, perhaps? |
| 23:30.55 | Guerin | just a random guess |
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| 23:30.58 | karsten | mick_home: hello |
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| 23:31.12 | g00se | I've never found any front end to apt useful. I'm not saying aptitude is a front end |
| 23:31.15 | karsten | Guerin: You had me at ... |
| 23:31.17 | tarzeau | mick_home: cowsay "APT-GET" |
| 23:31.25 | ShiFTKey | just a quick question, when will they stop support debian 4.0 |
| 23:31.29 | ShiFTKey | supporting* |
| 23:31.31 | karsten | g00se: are you saying you prefer ... nevermind. |
| 23:31.36 | rahul | g00se: apt-get is a fronted to apt |
| 23:31.37 | Guerin | sussudio: about a year after 4.1 is released |
| 23:31.43 | karsten | ShiFTKey: Next release + 12-18 months. |
| 23:31.43 | cydork | ShiFTKey: ^^ |
| 23:31.46 | Guerin | oh wait - about a year after 4.1 is released |
| 23:31.46 | tarzeau | Guerin: will it be 4.1 ? |
| 23:31.50 | Guerin | oh wait - about a year after 4.2 is released |
| 23:31.57 | g00se | rahul: yes |
| 23:31.58 | mick_home | Guerin: yup it was "hello" - thanks |
| 23:32.00 | ShiFTKey | ok thanks |
| 23:32.01 | rahul | g00se: you can't use apt without a frontend... |
| 23:32.02 | Guerin | tarzeau: nobody knows |
| 23:32.08 | ShiFTKey | so every release gets 3 years? |
| 23:32.14 | tarzeau | ShiFTKey: not always, no |
| 23:32.16 | streuner | ShiFTKey: usually 1 year according to the past, but we support sarge for 6 months for sure |
| 23:32.18 | mick_home | 388kB <--- for a hello world? how do you get that kind of bloat? |
| 23:32.22 | rahul | g00se: you're a dpkg and wget user? |
| 23:32.25 | Guerin | ShiFTKey: no, every released gets the following release + 1 year |
| 23:32.37 | streuner | its not gueranteed |
| 23:32.38 | Guerin | mick_home: it has lots of versions |
| 23:32.42 | ShiFTKey | is there a webpage where I can more information on debians update policy |
| 23:32.43 | ShiFTKey | ? |
| 23:32.48 | tarzeau | Guerinteed |
| 23:32.52 | Guerin | ShiFTKey: debian.org/releases |
| 23:32.54 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:33.00 | Guerin | tarzeau: hey, I don't golf |
| 23:33.05 | ShiFTKey | ok thanks guys |
| 23:33.22 | g00se | rahul: just saying really any kind of menu is unhelpful |
| 23:33.23 | Guerin | fuck golf, I say. Waste of real estate, that sport. |
| 23:33.36 | streuner | boring |
| 23:33.37 | Guerin | and god damn those motherfuckers who want to watch it on TV |
| 23:33.42 | arooni | whats the opposite of: sudo update-rc.d -f mongrel_processes.rb defaults |
| 23:33.48 | arooni | i.e. the negating thing to -f (to remove) |
| 23:33.54 | ccvp` | guerin |
| 23:33.57 | ccvp` | tiger woods is winning |
| 23:34.00 | ccvp` | hes gonna win yet again |
| 23:34.01 | ccvp` | lawlz |
| 23:34.01 | karsten | Guerin: One more reason to shoot your television, I say. |
| 23:34.25 | Guerin | arooni: -f foo remove |
| 23:34.34 | rahul | g00se: choice is bad. |
| 23:34.53 | Guerin | ccvp`: a pox on you motherfuckers, your stupid sport takes up all the airtime which could ber used by proper sports |
| 23:34.58 | rahul | in Soviet Russia, packages choose you! |
| 23:35.13 | g00se | My usage is more likely to be: |
| 23:35.20 | g00se | apt-file search x && apt-cache show x && aptitude install x |
| 23:35.24 | rahul | Guerin: a poop on you penixhuggers. |
| 23:35.33 | ccvp` | hahahha |
| 23:35.34 | furrywolf | in soviet russia, words reverse you! |
| 23:35.36 | ccvp` | awww |
| 23:35.45 | ccvp` | guerin would rather watch some chinese professor in china with a PHD give lessons |
| 23:35.49 | Guerin | i have never, nor will I ever, hug Penix. I've never even been on the same continent as him! |
| 23:35.50 | ccvp` | on linux management, then watch golf :) |
| 23:36.04 | rares000 | how do I get Second Life to play with my i915 chipset? |
| 23:36.05 | Guerin | ccvp`: fuck yeah, that'd be good |
| 23:36.07 | rahul | Guerin: heh |
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| 23:36.26 | Decepticon | I want to add stable, testing, and unstable sources to my sources.list but im sort of confused while reading apt-pinning guides on the web.. currently, my /etc/apt/sources.list has the following lines: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main; deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ etch main; deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib; deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib. I want to add add |
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| 23:36.34 | Guerin | Decepticon: no, you don't |
| 23:36.34 | g00se | I suppose you could do all that thru aptitude / synaptic, but i don't |
| 23:36.42 | streuner | pinning is PITA |
| 23:36.43 | Guerin | Decepticon: that's a Very Stupid THing To Do |
| 23:36.48 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 23:36.49 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
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| 23:37.17 | ccvp` | dpkg |
| 23:37.20 | rares000 | you can mix them just fine I have for ages |
| 23:37.20 | g00se | !quotd |
| 23:37.26 | Decepticon | what do you mean |
| 23:37.26 | ccvp` | he sold his embalmed dick she chopped off |
| 23:37.27 | ccvp` | on ebay |
| 23:37.32 | rahul | g00se: well, aptitude doesn't replace apt-file |
| 23:37.34 | ccvp` | Vivid Entertainment payed like 2million for it |
| 23:37.39 | ccvp` | its in a display case at their corporate HQ |
| 23:37.42 | ccvp` | it symbolizes Aids |
| 23:37.43 | Guerin | rares000: you'll break one day |
| 23:37.44 | rahul | g00se: but it's rather simple to use the / key in aptitude |
| 23:37.47 | streuner | for his pr0n movie |
| 23:37.51 | ccvp` | it symbolizes Aids |
| 23:37.59 | streuner | DOH |
| 23:38.02 | Guerin | Decepticon: it means `your shit will break in horribly creative ways if you do that, stick to testing' |
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| 23:38.13 | g00se | rahul: ok - i'll try it |
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| 23:38.26 | Decepticon | alright fine, no unstable then |
| 23:38.26 | Decepticon | my question is still relevant |
| 23:38.29 | Guerin | and then you'll come crying to us |
| 23:38.41 | Guerin | and we will point and laugh, and say `we told you so' |
| 23:38.43 | rahul | g00se: then again, if you know the EXACT package name, no need to use / ... just aptitude install it |
| 23:38.53 | Guerin | Decepticon: stable + anything = bad |
| 23:38.57 | h3sp4wn | Decepticon: You can use testing/unstable or stable |
| 23:39.01 | rahul | g00se: assuming there arent any funky dependency issues |
| 23:39.06 | Guerin | testing + unstable can work, if used carefully, WITH pinning |
| 23:39.17 | rares000 | anyone use second successfully? |
| 23:39.24 | rahul | I pull packages from stable on my testing system |
| 23:39.25 | g00se | rahul: but i rarely do - but then i'm probably subnormal |
| 23:39.26 | Decepticon | im not sure if i should add testing for both the security source and the normal mirror? |
| 23:39.34 | rahul | but it's kinda wacky |
| 23:39.44 | Guerin | rares000: my first life keeps me busy enough |
| 23:39.55 | Guerin | Decepticon: yes, both. |
| 23:40.12 | rahul | speaking of getting busy... |
| 23:40.25 | wols | Guerin: there is a security repo for testing? |
| 23:40.26 | Decepticon | i plan to use pinning |
| 23:40.39 | wols | Decepticon: a fool's choice |
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| 23:41.26 | Decepticon | alright, so gotta add 'testing' entries for both security and mirrors.kernel.org in /etc/apt/sources.list and then edit the /etc/apt/preferences file to add priorities |
| 23:41.26 | Decepticon | wols is it |
| 23:41.28 | Decepticon | ? |
| 23:41.35 | streuner | sure |
| 23:41.39 | h3sp4wn | Decepticon: Just make the default release testing (990) and pull specific stuff from unstable |
| 23:41.54 | streuner | !simple sid backport |
| 23:41.54 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 23:42.07 | tarzeau | pinning can break your system much worse than apt-get ever could |
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| 23:44.56 | arooni | how do i change locale (i want my server set to 6/16/07, 4:45PM PST) |
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| 23:45.58 | JoKo | Hi... Is there any Debian package for ns-2 (Network Simulator 2)? I couldn't find anyone via Google... |
| 23:46.23 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 23:46.31 | fasta | Is there some way to copy e.g. 5 lines containing commands to a shell without getting the first line executed only and getting an error for the other lines? |
| 23:46.49 | themill | fasta: export PS2='' |
| 23:47.03 | Mazingaro | please how can I play mp3 files with amarok? It told me "Some media could not be loaded (not playable) |
| 23:47.15 | fasta | themill: where can I read about PS2? |
| 23:47.20 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: what says file your.mp3 ? |
| 23:47.27 | themill | fasta: man bash |
| 23:47.27 | h3sp4wn | Mazingaro: on sid or testing or stable |
| 23:47.34 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: yes |
| 23:47.35 | themill | fasta: it's the prompt for continuation lines |
| 23:47.41 | Mazingaro | h3sp4wn: lenny |
| 23:47.54 | tarzeau | themill: rather man `basename $SHELL` |
| 23:48.04 | h3sp4wn | Mazingaro: do you have - libxine1-ffmpeg |
| 23:48.06 | themill | tarzeau: fair call |
| 23:48.08 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: file never says yes. yes says yes |
| 23:48.17 | tarzeau | well more like y... |
| 23:48.27 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: ? |
| 23:48.48 | streuner | what's the output? |
| 23:48.50 | g00se | arooni: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 23:48.56 | Mazingaro | h3sp4wn: no, there's no such library in repository |
| 23:48.57 | streuner | of 'file some file' |
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| 23:49.13 | fasta | themill: right, I use zsh. |
| 23:49.31 | wols | arooni: that's not locales, that's timezone |
| 23:49.32 | fasta | themill: It's called PROMPT2, I think. Thanks |
| 23:49.44 | h3sp4wn | Mazingaro: What version of libxine1 do you have |
| 23:49.49 | arooni | yea |
| 23:49.52 | arooni | i want time zone |
| 23:49.54 | arooni | and date |
| 23:49.56 | Mazingaro | h3sp4wn: 1.1.2+dfsg-4 |
| 23:50.14 | jakub_ | wooho |
| 23:50.23 | jakub_ | 6 % linux |
| 23:50.25 | themill | fasta: PROMPT2 sounds vaguely familiar |
| 23:50.33 | jakub_ | on my server :-) |
| 23:50.33 | Decepticon | how do i add testing sources for security.debian.org in /etc/apt/sources.list... this is what it says right now "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib" how do i make it so it also applies for testing |
| 23:50.39 | jakub_ | 6 % it`s great |
| 23:50.42 | fasta | themill: but the manpage doesn't document it. |
| 23:50.46 | themill | fasta: :( |
| 23:50.58 | fasta | themill: I also don't understand the reason for > as default continuation prompt. |
| 23:50.59 | rahul | I ues PS2 in zsh |
| 23:51.10 | rahul | the reason? |
| 23:51.14 | rahul | because that's what it is |
| 23:51.19 | Mazingaro | h3sp4wn: then? |
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| 23:51.38 | themill | fasta, rahul: the reason... to make it hard to copy/paste commands :) |
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| 23:52.05 | h3sp4wn | Mazingaro: I don't remember (the version I am using all that stuff comes from libxine1-ffmpeg but its not dropped to lenny yet) |
| 23:52.05 | Sweetandy | if I manually install software, will that make apt angry? |
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| 23:52.19 | tarzeau | Sweetandy: no, it'll just not know about it |
| 23:52.20 | h3sp4wn | Mazingaro: What version of amarok do you have |
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| 23:52.26 | rahul | themill: so dont do that |
| 23:52.36 | Mazingaro | h3sp4wn: 1.4.4-4 |
| 23:52.37 | tarzeau | Sweetandy: which means if your software overwrites files of a package. or a package overwrites files of your software |
| 23:52.39 | rahul | themill: put scripts in scripts |
| 23:52.40 | Enverex | Sweetandy, You'll make the people in this channel angry though |
| 23:52.43 | rahul | and stuff |
| 23:52.46 | tarzeau | Sweetandy: you'll get sad |
| 23:52.55 | Pluisje | 1slozrlz |
| 23:52.56 | Sweetandy | tarzeau: I want pidgin 8 / |
| 23:52.57 | themill | rahul: yep, agree with that (it's fasta's question not mine) |
| 23:53.04 | tarzeau | Sweetandy: poor you |
| 23:53.09 | fasta | rahul: The "use case" would be to copy commands from an IRC buffer from dpkg to a shell. |
| 23:53.27 | fasta | rahul: selecting line by line is not as nice, is it? |
| 23:53.42 | fasta | (and yes, of course, I know what I am executing before I do it) |
| 23:53.45 | Sweetandy | tarzeau: So basically, if I manually mess with it I can no longer remove it with apt, so I can never revert, can I? |
| 23:53.45 | nvz | Enverex: wouldn't make me angry, you must have mistaken me for someone who gives a shit |
| 23:53.45 | rahul | fasta: put it all on one line |
| 23:53.55 | tarzeau | Sweetandy: i didn't say that |
| 23:53.58 | themill | fasta: ahh -- I read your question backwards then... |
| 23:53.59 | ccvp` | just push out the diode 38, where the sphincter charge of obfuscation 37 rm -rf's the nerplexia'd line of code, then the icout++ strdins into dong |
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| 23:54.00 | fasta | rahul: and how would I do that? |
| 23:54.06 | tarzeau | Sweetandy: if you're good you can |
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| 23:54.08 | Sweetandy | tarzeau: Oh whoops... I guess I just expressed my fear though |
| 23:54.14 | Sweetandy | Yeah, I'll get the output of dpkg -L first |
| 23:54.17 | fasta | rahul: I mean without selecting the lines one by one. |
| 23:54.17 | rahul | fasta: just like that. |
| 23:54.22 | Enverex | nvz, Last time I came in here and mentioned installing stuff manually I'm pretty sure a few heads exploded |
| 23:54.25 | rahul | fasta: I'm confused |
| 23:54.35 | hmdl | Hi guys, I need help configuring my network on a Debian Sarge |
| 23:54.49 | nvz | Enverex: well you were probably doing something stupid |
| 23:54.50 | fasta | rahul: Suppose the commands are scattered over N lines, how can I in O(1) operations get the complete command in a shell? |
| 23:54.51 | rahul | Enverex: installing stuff manually that overwrites stuff that's installed automatically is evil. |
| 23:55.00 | fasta | rahul: that's a more formal question. |
| 23:55.00 | hmdl | I need to remove the current default route and add a new one |
| 23:55.02 | rahul | fasta: don't scatter the commands |
| 23:55.11 | fasta | rahul: dpkg already did |
| 23:55.12 | h3sp4wn | Mazingaro: better asking someone who uses testing |
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| 23:55.13 | rahul | fasta: and selecting line-by-line is O(1) |
| 23:55.24 | nvz | Enverex: like installing kernels or something we have a specific method to integrate custom stuff |
| 23:55.30 | rahul | erm |
| 23:55.35 | rahul | never mind |
| 23:55.35 | xsdg | rahul: ... |
| 23:55.37 | fasta | rahul: I select one line at a time, so that's O(N) |
| 23:55.43 | rahul | I see what you're saying |
| 23:55.47 | fasta | rahul: :) |
| 23:55.49 | rahul | xsdg: ;;; |
| 23:55.51 | Enverex | nvz, ... |
| 23:55.59 | rahul | Enverex: ::: |
| 23:56.08 | nvz | ((())) |
| 23:56.19 | rahul | (.) (.) |
| 23:56.28 | Decepticon | can someone take a look at my /etc/apt/sources.list http://pastebin.ca/571023 and my /etc/apt/preferences http://pastebin.ca/571026 and tell me if everything is in order? |
| 23:56.51 | rahul | remember. I'm a lisp programmer. I don't see parens. |
| 23:57.12 | nvz | right, you have to make something between them |
| 23:58.13 | fasta | !languagewar |
| 23:58.32 | nvz | I've been studying librep, myself |
| 23:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 768] by debhelper |
| 23:59.11 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
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| 23:59.38 | arooni | anyone know how to make mongrel_cluster startup when debian restarts? |
