| 00:00.07 | wols | arooni: put a symlink in /etc/rc2.d/ ? |
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| 00:02.38 | hmdl | Please, could anyone help me? I have an interface with a netmask 255.255.255.252, how should I route inet traffic through it? |
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| 00:03.19 | tarzeau | hmdl: install ipcalc and use a gateway in your network? |
| 00:03.25 | Drunken_Munky | i'm pretty sure there's not much difference but which one is a better web browser: ice weasel or mozilla firefox? |
| 00:03.37 | tarzeau | Drunken_Munky: links2 |
| 00:03.44 | Drunken_Munky | ok |
| 00:03.54 | themill | Drunken_Munky: no real difference |
| 00:03.56 | Enverex | Pretty sure Links2 isn't one of those two |
| 00:04.02 | Drunken_Munky | lawl |
| 00:04.19 | rahul | hmdl: ask your network admin |
| 00:04.26 | hmdl | tarzeau, how do I remove all routes? |
| 00:04.44 | tarzeau | hmdl: route del whatever? hmdl check with netstat -nr which ones exist first? |
| 00:05.01 | rahul | hmdl: netmask doesn't matter to your default route.... |
| 00:05.14 | hmdl | hmm |
| 00:05.18 | hmdl | this is my problem: |
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| 00:05.36 | hmdl | if I connect the server directly to the router, and set the netmask to 255.255.255.0 it connects |
| 00:06.02 | hmdl | but if I connect the server to a hub, which is connected to the router, and use the netmask 255.255.255.252 that my ISP told me to use, I dont have connection |
| 00:06.19 | rahul | hmdl: are you using an IP that they gave you? |
| 00:06.24 | hmdl | yes |
| 00:06.25 | hmdl | static |
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| 00:13.01 | ivx | hey if i want to completly remove a program, what is it, apt-get remove --purge or something like that |
| 00:13.08 | tarzeau | ivx: yes |
| 00:13.28 | tarzeau | ivx: possible leftovers are systemwide highscore files though |
| 00:13.45 | tarzeau | ivx: and data of the programs in user directories |
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| 00:15.55 | jjp | hi |
| 00:16.08 | jjp | i'm a bit new to php can someone define a variable please? |
| 00:16.08 | hmdl | is the command "auto eth1" needed configuring a static IP? |
| 00:16.58 | tarzeau | jjp: #php |
| 00:17.18 | wols | hmdl: yes |
| 00:17.19 | jjp | ok ill try that |
| 00:17.46 | wols | jjp: irc is not for homework btw |
| 00:17.54 | hmdl | address 200.123.129.181 |
| 00:17.54 | hmdl | netmask 255.255.255.252 |
| 00:17.54 | hmdl | broadcast 200.123.129.183 |
| 00:17.54 | hmdl | network 200.123.129.180 |
| 00:17.54 | hmdl | gateway 200.123.129.182 |
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| 00:18.03 | jjp | ok sorry |
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| 00:19.24 | hmdl | is this configuration correct for my subnet?: auto eth1 iface eth1 inet static address 200.123.129.181 netmask 255.255.255.252 broadcast 200.123.129.183 network 200.123.129.180 gateway 200.123.129.182 |
| 00:19.25 | garotosopa | Hi. I had the great idea of restarting the computer after a aptitutde upgrade, and now Amarok and Xmms gives Segmentation Fault. Any tips? |
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| 00:19.49 | rahul | garotosopa: unstable? |
| 00:19.58 | garotosopa | rahul, testing |
| 00:20.05 | rahul | fun |
| 00:20.12 | rahul | good thing I use neither |
| 00:20.16 | garotosopa | --something tells me that I should switch to stable |
| 00:21.28 | garotosopa | lol. I had also a nvidia problem, and after trying every compiled package, and module-assistant, the their own installer, I gave up and I'm now with the nv driver. but no amarok is too much for me :( |
| 00:21.31 | Decepticon | im getting these errors in synaptic http://pastebin.com/930493 after i messed with sources.list http://pastebin.ca/571070 and apt preferences http://pastebin.ca/571026 . what do i need to fix |
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| 00:23.03 | frankr | how do I force a killall |
| 00:23.05 | frankr | anyway to do that? |
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| 00:23.42 | Decepticon | kill -9 <pid> |
| 00:23.50 | Decepticon | look up the pid with 'ps aux' |
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| 00:23.55 | frankr | phew thx got it |
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| 00:27.21 | mick_home | i'd like to make a package (i don't want to file an ITP just yet) -- i'd rather get a package up first, then file an ITP. what is a good example package to look at that is written in php/mysql and is not exactly that large/complicated -- that i can use for reference? So far I have only done: dh_make -e user@domain.com -s -n .... now i'm starting to edit files under /debian -- i'm just unsure... |
| 00:27.23 | mick_home | ...as to how to prompt for a username/password for mysql -- so i can create a database |
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| 00:28.05 | tarzeau | mick_home: it's not your first package, is it? |
| 00:28.09 | metbsd | when i try to start x window, it says no core pointer |
| 00:28.13 | mick_home | yes it is |
| 00:28.19 | metbsd | i ran X -configure |
| 00:28.47 | tarzeau | mick_home: what software is it that you want to package? |
| 00:29.01 | mick_home | i've packaged rpms before (mod_security for SuSE to be exact) |
| 00:29.11 | mick_home | tarzeau: pastebin (from pastebin.com) |
| 00:29.17 | metbsd | is there a guide of setting up kde in debian? |
| 00:29.43 | mick_home | metbsd: why not just apt-get install kde ? |
| 00:29.48 | metbsd | i already did |
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| 00:29.57 | mick_home | what do mean by "set up" |
| 00:29.58 | metbsd | and i have startkde in .xinitrc |
| 00:30.09 | metbsd | when i type startx, nothing comes up |
| 00:30.21 | mick_home | it was automagical (in gdm) |
| 00:30.36 | metbsd | so i reboot? how do i enable kdm? |
| 00:30.47 | mick_home | it was in the menu in gdm for me |
| 00:30.47 | arooni | how do i enable ftp access for one of my users (say root)? |
| 00:30.50 | arooni | or is this a bad idea? |
| 00:30.55 | arooni | and i should be using ssh instead? |
| 00:31.07 | mick_home | arooni: very very bad |
| 00:31.26 | mick_home | yes, use ssh and no - don't allow root logins remotely |
| 00:31.31 | wols | arooni: if you can use ssh. lot less hassle |
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| 00:31.53 | arooni | why is it bad? |
| 00:32.06 | mick_home | tarzeau: when i'm done packaging this, then i'd like to package mozbot and the rest of the mozwebtools (that aren't packaged yet) |
| 00:32.12 | metbsd | how do i enable some of those scripts in init.d? |
| 00:32.39 | tarzeau | mick_home: i really hate each and every application that rapes a browser to be more than a web browser |
| 00:32.51 | mick_home | tarzeau: ? |
| 00:32.59 | tarzeau | mick_home: i don't like firefox |
| 00:33.11 | mick_home | tarzeau: i said mozwebtools |
| 00:33.28 | mick_home | tarzeau: tinderbox/bonsai/mozbot/lxr.... |
| 00:33.37 | metbsd | how do i enable some of those scripts in init.d, please? |
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| 00:33.40 | tarzeau | mick_home: well good luck with it |
| 00:33.57 | mick_home | hmmm, so no pointers :-/ |
| 00:34.12 | tarzeau | mick_home: look at packages that do what you want to look at? |
| 00:34.15 | metbsd | can someone tell me please? |
| 00:34.31 | tarzeau | mick_home: any that uses debconf would work. here's how you can figure which do: |
| 00:34.34 | metbsd | for those of /etc/init.d, i want to start some of those services |
| 00:34.37 | metbsd | in boot up |
| 00:34.43 | mick_home | i can only think of joomla -- but the dev of that package (i did QA on that package) isn't online |
| 00:34.44 | metbsd | what file controls that? |
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| 00:35.01 | Azar | stoned! |
| 00:35.09 | tarzeau | mick_home: debconf-get-selections |
| 00:35.10 | stoned | you rang |
| 00:35.21 | Azar | yeah, got some juicy stuff for you |
| 00:35.30 | stoned | link me bro |
| 00:35.35 | Azar | Dell orders a blog to be removed |
| 00:35.44 | tarzeau | Azar: which? |
| 00:35.45 | metbsd | why nobody answer me? |
| 00:35.54 | Azar | http://consumerist.com/consumer/insiders/22-confessions-of-a-former-dell-sales-manager-268831.php |
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| 00:36.49 | mariann | Eulex: hi |
| 00:36.56 | Epos85 | dang |
| 00:37.25 | mick_home | tarzeau: i see references to that in google, just nothing on my system (no manpage, or package etc.)... sorry for sounding ignorant, but what is that |
| 00:37.40 | Epos85 | Eulex: have installed as you said.. but doesnt seem like fglrx work as it should |
| 00:38.37 | wols | Epos85: it rarely does :) |
| 00:38.42 | metbsd | in debian, how to control what services to start in boot time |
| 00:38.47 | Epos85 | wols, hehe.. |
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| 00:39.01 | tarzeau | mick_home: did you run the command i gave you? |
| 00:39.04 | wols | Epos85: right now afaik, fglrx is broken |
| 00:39.10 | tarzeau | mick_home: or are you missing the command? |
| 00:39.19 | Epos85 | well... i installed it.. then i tried to configure it... but still doesnt work |
| 00:39.20 | wols | and since you are running sid, you should know what to do in such a case |
| 00:39.22 | Epos85 | wols: ah |
| 00:39.22 | Azar | metbsd: services like.. what? example? |
| 00:39.44 | wols | Epos85: or put it bluntly, you are not fit to run unstable |
| 00:39.53 | mick_home | tarzeau: missing it |
| 00:39.58 | mick_home | i'll check apt-file |
| 00:40.04 | wols | metbsd: debian uses a normal sysvinit |
| 00:40.23 | Epos85 | wols: what version would you think is good for me? |
| 00:40.24 | tarzeau | mick_home: apt-get install debconf-utils |
| 00:40.31 | metbsd | Azar: for example, start mysql, start kdm, start postfix instead, don't start exim |
| 00:40.55 | tarzeau | mick_home: you know. i'm not a big debconf fan |
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| 00:41.08 | Epos85 | will have a new version, so i thought daily build was ok:P |
| 00:41.10 | wols | Epos85: at most lenny, but at this point in time, stable is good even for desktops since it came out only in april |
| 00:41.10 | tarzeau | mick_home: i prefer configs files to be in /etc, and if something can't go there into README.Debian |
| 00:41.25 | Epos85 | wols: okay |
| 00:41.26 | wols | metbsd: install postfix |
| 00:41.40 | mick_home | tarzeau: ok, i'll write that down as a good idea :) |
| 00:41.53 | wols | not just a good idea, it's the standard in debian :) |
| 00:41.56 | Epos85 | brb then... installing stable:P |
| 00:42.05 | tarzeau | ivx: oh and debconf leftovers won't get removed either |
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| 00:42.12 | wols | Epos85: what videocard do you have btw? |
| 00:42.36 | Epos85 | ati 200M integrated.. its a laptop from HP |
| 00:42.51 | wols | Epos85: is that a r300 based card or earlier? |
| 00:43.03 | Epos85 | ehm... i dont know:P |
| 00:43.04 | wols | if earlier, fglrx won't work, and you must use the "ati" driver |
| 00:43.13 | wols | what does lspci say? |
| 00:43.28 | Epos85 | wols: the driver from the ati site? |
| 00:43.37 | wols | no, not the driver fromt he ati site |
| 00:43.49 | Epos85 | then what? |
| 00:43.49 | wols | that one is fglrx |
| 00:43.55 | wols | the "ati" driver as I said |
| 00:43.59 | Epos85 | aha |
| 00:44.02 | wols | but first check what card you actually have |
| 00:44.08 | Epos85 | but would opengl work with that then? |
| 00:44.14 | wols | yes it will |
| 00:44.17 | Epos85 | okok |
| 00:44.21 | Epos85 | just a sec then |
| 00:44.28 | wols | but unless you tell me the exact chip number this is all moot |
| 00:45.09 | Epos85 | ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 PCIE |
| 00:45.26 | Epos85 | awh |
| 00:45.36 | wols | Epos85: full name. chipbumber |
| 00:45.57 | Epos85 | where do i find that? |
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| 00:46.28 | Decepticon | im getting these errors in synaptic http://pastebin.ca/571124 after i messed with sources.list http://pastebin.ca/571125 and apt preferences http://pastebin.ca/571128 . anybody know what i need to fix? |
| 00:46.52 | wols | Epos85: is it a DX9 part or DX8? |
| 00:47.20 | wols | Decepticon: delete your package lists then apt-get update |
| 00:47.30 | Decepticon | how do i delete my package lists? |
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| 00:47.40 | wols | by running rm? |
| 00:47.58 | tarzeau | Decepticon: pinning? |
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| 00:48.09 | Decepticon | tarzeau yes, im trying to pin it |
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| 00:48.21 | garotosopa | I'm on Lenny right now, is it possible to switch to Stable without breaking everything? |
| 00:48.22 | tarzeau | Decepticon: but didn't people tell you to not try pinning? |
| 00:48.25 | Decepticon | wols where is the package list located you're talkign about? are you talking about sources.list |
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| 00:48.40 | wols | no I'm not. and heed tarzeau's advice |
| 00:48.46 | Epos85 | dx8 |
| 00:48.57 | Epos85 | wols: .. |
| 00:49.02 | wols | Epos85: then you need the ati one, not fglrx. you can keep using sid if you want |
| 00:49.14 | tarzeau | 01:42 < tarzeau> pinning can break your system much worse than apt-get ever could |
| 00:49.24 | wols | fglrx won't support your card anymore |
| 00:49.47 | Epos85 | wols: how do i configure back to normal again then? |
| 00:50.08 | Epos85 | wols: may i use dpkg-reconfigure fglrx |
| 00:50.10 | Epos85 | ops |
| 00:50.20 | Epos85 | wols: may i use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?:p |
| 00:50.32 | Azar | garotosopa: you cannot move from Lenny to Etch(stable) |
| 00:50.39 | Azar | garotosopa: there is no way "back" |
| 00:50.42 | Epos85 | and select just the ati? |
| 00:50.44 | mick_home | i just checked `apt-cache showpkg phpmyadmin` to see what it requires, and i wanted to know what the braces mean: .... mysql-server (0 (null)) apache2 (16 (null)) |
| 00:50.57 | mick_home | (0 (null)) and (16 (null)) |
| 00:51.13 | mick_home | i figured that i can copy most of the requirements |
| 00:51.20 | mick_home | since they are pretty much the same |
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| 00:52.02 | mick_home | hmm, but how do i check to see if register_globals is off in php? should it be a bash script that greps php.ini? |
| 00:52.46 | metbsd | can someone tell me how to config X window |
| 00:53.17 | wols | Epos85: yes |
| 00:53.29 | tarzeau | metbsd: i've never seen someone struggle as much as you with debian |
| 00:53.35 | Epos85 | wols: have done that... but opengl programs\games still lags |
| 00:53.42 | metbsd | yes |
| 00:53.47 | metbsd | i typed X -configure as root |
| 00:53.50 | wols | Epos85: you also need DRI and mesa |
| 00:53.57 | tarzeau | metbsd: who told you to do that? |
| 00:53.57 | wols | metbsd: you should not |
| 00:54.03 | Epos85 | explain... im a bad guesser |
| 00:54.06 | wols | !tell metbsd about drxx |
| 00:54.18 | metbsd | that's how i setup x in other *nix |
| 00:54.32 | tarzeau | metbsd: then why can't you setup x on debian? |
| 00:54.40 | tarzeau | metbsd: when you know how to do it in other *nix |
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| 00:55.31 | pidr | сдрасте дебилан |
| 00:55.47 | wols | ru |
| 00:55.50 | wols | !ru |
| 00:55.51 | dpkg | from memory, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 00:55.53 | Temi4s | чо ру |
| 00:55.56 | Temi4s | всаси |
| 00:56.16 | metbsd | maybe debian is unlike other *nix, i don't know, but X -configure gave me error |
| 00:56.38 | tarzeau | metbsd: what error? |
| 00:56.54 | Temi4s | сдрасте дебилан |
| 00:56.56 | Temi4s | сдрасте дебилан |
| 00:56.56 | Temi4s | сдрасте дебилан |
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| 00:56.58 | Temi4s | сдрасте дебилан |
| 00:57.11 | Enverex | !ops |
| 00:57.11 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 00:57.17 | metbsd | Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/atimisc_drv.so |
| 00:57.17 | rahul | heh |
| 00:57.17 | Enverex | !ops Temi4s is a nob |
| 00:57.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: enverex complains about: Temi4s is a nob |
| 00:57.33 | metbsd | Failed to load module "atimisc" (loader failed, 7) |
| 00:57.36 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 00:57.37 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@80.252.156.199] by peterS |
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| 00:57.45 | snayp | ыть |
| 00:57.54 | wols | and the troll too |
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| 00:58.04 | wols | ban russia? |
| 00:58.07 | metbsd | so my video card is 64MB, what's kb for that? |
| 00:58.08 | nvz | heh |
| 00:58.21 | tarzeau | metbsd: 65536 |
| 00:58.27 | rahul | metbsd: you don't need to enter that |
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| 00:58.48 | Epos85 | wols: what about dri and mesa? just install? or.. |
| 00:58.51 | peterS | wols: isn't that where COUNTRIES ban YOU? |
| 00:59.00 | nvz | wols: ...soviet russia bans you? |
| 00:59.01 | wols | configure DRI, install mesa |
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| 00:59.08 | m3thos | hi there, LVM help, how to move a logical volume (lv) from one volume group (vg) to another vg ? |
| 00:59.11 | wols | nvz: I nevre got that "joke" |
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| 00:59.15 | nvz | peterS: my thoughts exactly |
| 00:59.17 | Epos85 | configure using? |
| 00:59.17 | metbsd | which mouse port should i use? it's a usb mouse |
| 00:59.22 | peterS | metbsd: /dev/input/mice |
| 00:59.24 | wols | Epos85: checking xorg.conf |
| 00:59.29 | wols | and logs |
| 00:59.43 | nvz | wols: I think the more recent use of it was from South Park |
| 01:00.05 | wols | it's still dumb (imho) |
| 01:00.14 | peterS | unlike the rest of South Park |
| 01:00.30 | metbsd | dam |
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| 01:01.04 | Epos85 | joe /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:01.14 | Epos85 | awh |
| 01:01.15 | metbsd | xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.34728347 |
| 01:01.19 | Epos85 | wrong place |
| 01:01.25 | metbsd | what that suppose to mean? |
| 01:01.34 | wols | Epos85: and make sure the radeon drm krenel module is loaded |
| 01:01.56 | wols | that you edited your xorg.conf by hand |
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| 01:02.58 | Acu | is anyway to have one or two websites on a server with dynamic IP ? what do I need for that ? |
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| 01:03.20 | tarzeau | Acu: yes |
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| 01:03.31 | rahul | just install a web server |
| 01:03.39 | tarzeau | and ez-ipupdate - client for most dynamic DNS services |
| 01:03.46 | tarzeau | then check www.mine.nu |
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| 01:03.47 | rahul | sure, if you want dbs |
| 01:03.49 | rahul | dns |
| 01:03.56 | SkareCrow | how do you delete everything about a package you installed? |
| 01:03.57 | rahul | DNS isn't needed, tho |
| 01:04.03 | rahul | SkareCrow: aptitude purge <package> |
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| 01:04.12 | tarzeau | sure, if your ip is 111.111.111.111 :) |
| 01:04.16 | wols | rahul: how else will you do virtual named based hosting? |
| 01:04.17 | metbsd | ok i got kde running |
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| 01:04.33 | metbsd | but i failed to mount a ntfs partition |
| 01:04.38 | rahul | wols: you don't need that to run a web server |
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| 01:04.53 | wols | ...two websites on a server .... |
| 01:04.55 | Gigantic | Is postfix compiled with TLS support? |
| 01:04.55 | troy- | anyone know why pam_mount faills to unmount a loopback FS when logging out via SSH? |
| 01:04.59 | wols | you sure about that? |
| 01:05.03 | Decepticon | im trying to add backports to sources.list... the instructions said add this line "deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free" to sources.list... which i did, and second run apt-get update... which i did and to which my computer tells me: "W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA13 |
| 01:05.03 | troy- | hey wols :) |
| 01:05.06 | wols | Gigantic: yes |
| 01:05.15 | Gigantic | How can I check it? |
| 01:05.47 | SkareCrow | rahul: all the man pages and everything are still there |
| 01:05.48 | wols | once upon a time there was a postfix-tls. if you don't have that package anymore (you probabyl don't) TLS is now built in |
| 01:05.50 | Gigantic | 'cause categorically fail with TLS enabled and see no reason |
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| 01:06.03 | Decepticon | "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" |
| 01:06.03 | Decepticon | why am i getting a GPG error when i run apt-get update |
| 01:06.03 | rahul | SkareCrow: then they weren't part of that package |
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| 01:06.06 | wols | SkareCrow: manpages of what? |
| 01:06.11 | SkareCrow | mysql |
| 01:06.13 | rahul | SkareCrow: dpkg -S file |
| 01:06.25 | rahul | Decepticon: /topic |
| 01:07.08 | metbsd | what's program to test glx? |
| 01:07.32 | tarzeau | metbsd: brutalchess |
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| 01:08.03 | Decepticon | rahul, what about it? |
| 01:08.13 | rahul | Decepticon: it has the answer |
| 01:09.03 | Decepticon | gotcha |
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| 01:11.36 | Acu | tarzeau and rahul: I have my account with goddady.com I want to cancel their hosting and let them be only for DNS do they offer dynamic IP |
| 01:11.49 | rahul | ask them |
| 01:12.21 | Decepticon | well rahul im being told i have the latest keyring |
| 01:12.21 | rahul | oh backports |
| 01:12.31 | Decepticon | yes, thats right |
| 01:12.33 | rahul | Decepticon: you probably need the whole developer keyring |
| 01:12.33 | peterS | Acu: why not zoneedit.com, I've been very happy with their DNS service, including dyn |
| 01:12.42 | rahul | apt-cache search keyring |
| 01:12.43 | Decepticon | is that another package i can grab? |
| 01:13.05 | Decepticon | debian-backports-keyring ? |
| 01:13.12 | peterS | Acu: (first couple domains are free, so long as the query traffic doesn't get too high, but the cost of their paid service seems pretty reasonable too) |
| 01:13.45 | metbsd | how to install pyqt v3.13 ? |
| 01:13.52 | Acu | peterS: no special reason, I have transfered to goddady.com as I did not know better - is parking now |
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| 01:14.13 | Kevin` | godaddy is fine.. they work |
| 01:14.30 | Kevin` | of course, I just use them as a registrar |
| 01:14.35 | Kevin` | I run my own dns servers |
| 01:14.44 | peterS | metbsd: debian doesn't have pyqt 3.13 except in sarge (oldstable), etch only has 3.16 and sid has 3.17. 'aptitude install python-qt3' |
| 01:15.18 | metbsd | oh good |
| 01:15.48 | peterS | metbsd: 'apt-cache search pyqt' would have told you the package name (: |
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| 01:16.53 | metbsd | now i join debian from bsd |
| 01:16.57 | Acu | kevin: so goddady allows dynamic IP? What do you mean you run your DNS - you need to register for that (I mean special one) |
| 01:17.58 | Kevin` | Acu I don't use godaddy's dns servers, I have all the records managed on my own systems. probably not what you want to do in this case |
| 01:18.07 | epos85 | im installing debian 4 stable now...then i should install mesa, then run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and configure ATI via driconf... |
| 01:18.48 | epos85 | then i get the opengl to work with the standard ati driver.. right? |
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| 01:20.02 | Kevin` | Acu anyway, if you can't figure out how to make godaddy's dynamic dns work, or they don't have one, just point your domain as a CNAME to another free dynamic service |
| 01:20.22 | epos85 | wols, im paging back if i stand still :) |
| 01:21.52 | troy- | whcih CDs do i need for a base debian install? |
| 01:22.09 | simonrvn | 1 |
| 01:22.25 | epos85 | troy, netinstall |
| 01:22.38 | troy- | thats better then downloading CD 1? |
| 01:22.41 | epos85 | only 1 160MB iso to download |
| 01:23.04 | epos85 | you can use it on a cd, usb or what so ever |
| 01:23.07 | troy- | but then you need to download more stuff off the net? |
| 01:23.30 | epos85 | i think its better than downloading the first cd of all the standard |
| 01:23.59 | troy- | cool |
| 01:24.00 | epos85 | troy,, the netinstall would install the latest things from the net... direct.. so you get the new stuff.. |
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| 01:24.38 | troy- | i see |
| 01:24.46 | epos85 | but you can also download more from the net, as the other disc would have.. but you alway get the new version |
| 01:24.58 | Acu | peterS: so I have to use goddaddy as Registrar and zoneedit.com for the DNS? I am still confused, what do they mean that first 5 are free ? |
| 01:24.58 | epos85 | always.. sorry my bad english |
| 01:25.01 | troy- | i only need a base |
| 01:25.06 | epos85 | ok |
| 01:25.10 | troy- | your english is fine :) |
| 01:25.17 | peterS | Acu: you can use anyone for registrar, zoneedit isn't a registrar, they only do DNS. so yeah. |
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| 01:25.27 | epos85 | then use netinstall :) you get the latest base.... ok, im from norway, u seeP: |
| 01:25.38 | peterS | Acu: zoneedit gives you a few domains for free because they hope you will be one of those companies that registers 500 of the things and you'll like their service and be willing to pay for 495 of them. |
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| 01:25.53 | troy- | epos85, canada here |
| 01:26.02 | epos85 | =) |
| 01:27.12 | Acu | peterS: they might go banckrupt as I am not going to spend a cent more than I need (If you cannot afford it you don't need it!) |
| 01:27.14 | troy- | waiting for the download to finish |
| 01:27.48 | epos85 | think im selling my 2 laptops and by the latest mac laptop.. hate windoze, and hate linux on non-linux-friendly laptop |
| 01:28.05 | peterS | Acu: I've never paid them anything. they've been my p12n.org DNS for 3 years, they work great. |
| 01:28.19 | epos85 | troy-, takes 1-3 minutes here;( |
| 01:28.23 | epos85 | * ;) |
| 01:28.57 | epos85 | just upgraded to 24Mbit/1,5 Mbit |
| 01:29.58 | troy- | hah, got 5mbit here |
| 01:30.41 | wols | epos85: macbook pro has ati graphics too |
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| 01:30.51 | epos85 | not much slower than here then... just a bit.... norwegian ftp mirror = 200 kb/s downrate, i believe.. |
| 01:31.11 | epos85 | wols: well.. its preconfigured.... |
| 01:31.33 | epos85 | have aprox 1,5 or 2 Mbit from finland :p |
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| 01:33.10 | epos85 | wols: mac's are built to support the os |
| 01:33.25 | epos85 | wols: or the other way |
| 01:34.16 | Acu | peterS: thanks, I am going to give a try - so first I have to register with them then go to Goddady - get a domain (cheapest possible and see how it works) |
| 01:34.20 | epos85 | hp laptops are not built to support linux, and its not easy to get all the things accepted by linux either |
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| 01:34.30 | peterS | Acu: *nod* |
| 01:35.35 | peterS | Acu: I couldn't get ddclient to work with zoneedit, though it's supposed to be supported - I'm not sure what was up with that. Previously I'd written my own dyndns client script, so I'm still just using that, it wasn't worth trying to debug ddclient (: Just fyi. |
| 01:36.13 | epos85 | ex. broadcom wireless (bcmwl5) ... bluetooth, modem, webcam, and so on |
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| 01:36.55 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.02 | epos85 | metbsd: thats what I said earlier |
| 01:38.03 | Acu | peterS: ez-ipupdate mention zoneedit.com compatibility. is this enough |
| 01:38.04 | epos85 | =) |
| 01:38.42 | peterS | Acu: should be, I didn't investigate as there wasn't really anything wrong with my own script |
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| 01:40.56 | epos85 | they should build linux laptops, just like mac for mac os |
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| 01:42.11 | epos85 | if you want a stable and fast computer today, you have to check whats supported in linux, then build the pc youself |
| 01:43.21 | cast | and pray all the hw works together in a stable fashion |
| 01:43.34 | epos85 | thats right |
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| 01:45.00 | epos85 | but windows got that problem too anyway.. so theres no option... think mac is pretty good with that.. |
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| 01:47.08 | tedivm | hey- is there a way to force a virtual package to completely reinstall itself, dependences and all? |
| 01:48.23 | epos85 | windows is stable only when you have few hardware components.. and a small selection of programs.. linux can have all the programs ever, but few hardware components because it supports only few... |
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| 01:51.33 | epos85 | ive got windows mce on my dv9085... stable as hell... but when i install the printer and the programs i need, its unstable and unusable after a while.. linux supports only the half of the hardware on the computer anyway, so im not installing that either... only option for upgrade here is xp pro, or vista ultimate... =S |
| 01:52.33 | furrywolf | hey, I have a lot of hardware components in / on this computer. three IDE controllers (6 channels), three sound cards, two cd-rw drives, three graphics tablets, 8 printers, 1 digital microscope, scsi, two scanners, ~30 assorted USB devices,... :P |
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| 01:52.45 | epos85 | trying for the N'th time to install debian and configure it prop. on the hp ze2247ea (laptop)... hope it works now.. |
| 01:53.17 | furrywolf | oh, four ethernet NICs. shouldn't forget about those. |
| 01:53.30 | epos85 | furrywolf: and you have chosen the brands from the support-list?:p |
| 01:53.36 | furrywolf | nope. |
| 01:53.45 | epos85 | :-O |
| 01:53.47 | furrywolf | I base my hardware purchasing on what I find at yard sales cheaply. |
| 01:54.12 | simonrvn | which usually means it'll be supported ;) |
| 01:54.22 | epos85 | maybe most of the HW in US have linux support then... the cheap hardware.. :p |
| 01:54.31 | epos85 | yep |
| 01:55.03 | epos85 | u guys want to know how many $ it cost for my dv9085 here in norway? |
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| 01:55.22 | Absolute0 | how can i configure mpd? |
| 01:55.31 | epos85 | figure it out... near 19000 NOK |
| 01:55.32 | Absolute0 | nevermind |
| 01:55.34 | simonrvn | just based on relative age. by the time 6-9 months, maybe a year, the support is there in linux. and it's gotten faster in the last 2 or so years (getting support) |
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| 01:56.05 | furrywolf | I've never purchased anything where the technology was less than a year old. :) |
| 01:56.06 | eshaase | i have the following line in my /etc/fstab and it doesn't seem to mount automatically at system startup, any ideas? (/dev/mediavg/medialv /home/eric/media ext3 defaults,uid=eric,gid=eric 0 2) |
| 01:56.20 | cast | furrywolf: sure you have, sata/pata |
| 01:56.30 | cast | furrywolf: ATAPI |
| 01:56.43 | furrywolf | eshaase: first of all, last I heard, ext3 didn't have uid/gid... |
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| 01:56.54 | furrywolf | cast: ... that's less than a year old? :P |
| 01:57.19 | cast | furrywolf: ohhh i got confused by the negative and the less than :( |
| 01:57.28 | furrywolf | ah :P |
| 01:57.52 | furrywolf | I don't even own any computing hardware less than a year old. |
| 01:58.20 | simonrvn | all my stuff is older than 5 years, except maybe the HDDs |
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| 01:58.57 | epos85 | furrywolf: can you assist me with the graphic install here?:P |
| 01:58.59 | simonrvn | even the songs i sing are anywhere from 30 to 300 years old ;p |
| 01:59.04 | eshaase | furrywolf: well if tahts the case, how do i mount a device so that the resulting directory has non-root ownership? |
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| 01:59.22 | vorpal | eshaase: man mount |
| 01:59.47 | furrywolf | I don't think you do for ext3. |
| 02:00.09 | simonrvn | add ,user to your line |
| 02:00.10 | eshaase | vorpal: i've already checked that |
| 02:00.15 | simonrvn | and noauto |
| 02:00.39 | vorpal | eshaase: and you didn't see the uid/gid options? |
| 02:01.05 | simonrvn | then set up pam_mount, or insert a script in your .bash_login or whatever it's called |
| 02:01.20 | furrywolf | vorpal: ... does ext2/3 have uid/gid options? :P |
| 02:01.24 | eshaase | vorpal: nope, apparently they only apply for fat filesystems |
| 02:01.32 | epos85 | furrywolf: ive just installed debian stable at the hp 2247ea laptop... the laptop have ati 200m integrated... i want opengl support.... :) |
| 02:01.45 | eshaase | simonrvn: 'user' jsut makes it so that users can mount the filesystem |
| 02:01.57 | simonrvn | yes, and? |
| 02:01.57 | troy- | anyone here familiar with pam_mount? |
| 02:01.58 | furrywolf | epos85: no clue what an ati 200m is. try google. :) |
| 02:02.03 | eshaase | simonrvn: thats not what i want |
| 02:02.04 | epos85 | awh:p |
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| 02:02.18 | simonrvn | yes, and? |
| 02:02.28 | epos85 | anyone?:p google isnt social;) |
| 02:02.30 | eshaase | simonrvn: i want a certain filesystem mounted at system startup by root, but i want the mount point to be owned by a non-root user |
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| 02:02.40 | simonrvn | you need a workaround. i'm giving you one. if you're not happy about it, just ingore me |
| 02:02.46 | simonrvn | ignore* |
| 02:02.56 | simonrvn | ... |
| 02:03.01 | eshaase | simonrvn: i don't udnerstand what your workaround is |
| 02:03.29 | eshaase | simonrvn: use 'user' and mount the filesystem manually everytime i bootup? |
| 02:03.41 | simonrvn | i don't think you can do that, except with a script changing the ownership of the mount when it gets mounted, or shortly after |
| 02:04.01 | simonrvn | or some other thing i'm not aware of |
| 02:04.08 | eshaase | simonrvn: ok, i'll check it out |
| 02:04.09 | eshaase | thanks guys |
| 02:04.31 | furrywolf | interpolating normal vectors is annoying. :) |
| 02:04.37 | wols_ | epos85: I thought you already had it figurd out with driconf, mesa, etc? |
| 02:05.22 | epos85 | step by step, now as i have a clean os.. trid your solution but didnt work |
| 02:05.55 | epos85 | was still laggy, and the main graphic was white |
| 02:06.01 | simonrvn | oh man, i hate having laryngitis, and we're singing again tomorrow |
| 02:06.27 | furrywolf | sounds like it's time to call in sick. |
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| 02:06.51 | wols_ | epos85: google for howtos for radon 9000, 9100, 9200, 9250 cards |
| 02:06.57 | epos85 | kk |
| 02:07.12 | wols_ | but new ones. in the old time, they were supported by fglrx, up to last autumn or so |
| 02:07.15 | seriouslycgi | anyone have stability problems with etch? |
| 02:07.35 | wols_ | !tell seriouslycgi about smart questions |
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| 02:09.09 | vorpal | !smart-questoins |
| 02:09.16 | vorpal | ;-) doh |
| 02:09.21 | vorpal | !smart-questions |
| 02:09.22 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 02:10.01 | wols_ | vorpal: you should have tried /msg dpkg msg the bot instead |
| 02:10.26 | vorpal | wols_: yes i should have. thanks for the suggestion |
| 02:10.29 | troy- | wols_, do you know of a reason why pam_mount wouldnt unmount a loopback FS during ssh logout but does on shell? |
| 02:11.10 | wols_ | no |
| 02:11.15 | seriouslycgi | wols_ my issues are with stability with etch (could be hardware but previous install of etch was fine) after etch moved to stable it been crashing on me (video applications xscreensaver x issues segmentation faults with applications) i have no idea weather its common? |
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| 02:11.47 | wols_ | RAM, heat or PSU are typical culprits |
| 02:11.51 | wols_ | and: what video driver? |
| 02:11.55 | RevertTS | is there an easy apt/dpkg command to go back and purge things that were removed? |
| 02:11.58 | seriouslycgi | nv |
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| 02:12.13 | furrywolf | seriouslycgi: do you use nvidia's video driver by any chance? |
| 02:12.18 | seriouslycgi | no |
| 02:12.21 | wols_ | RevertTS: not easy per se, but dpkg -l |grep rc |
| 02:12.34 | RevertTS | what does the rc signify? |
| 02:12.35 | seriouslycgi | im getting lock ups too |
| 02:12.36 | Bushmills | 'morning |
| 02:12.37 | furrywolf | seriouslycgi: is this a pentium 3, older p4, or middle-aged amd system? |
| 02:12.46 | wols_ | removed but config files still present |
| 02:12.49 | seriouslycgi | yes amd athlon 1300 |
| 02:12.55 | furrywolf | seriouslycgi: what motherboard? |
| 02:12.57 | RevertTS | cool, thanks |
| 02:13.00 | wols_ | could be bad caps |
| 02:13.04 | seriouslycgi | asus i think |
| 02:13.11 | furrywolf | wols_: my thoughts too. :) |
| 02:13.12 | seriouslycgi | there was a bad cap |
| 02:13.25 | wols_ | seriouslycgi: if there was one, there are always others. always |
| 02:13.33 | seriouslycgi | ok so thats where i guess i should start lol |
| 02:13.34 | wols_ | it's not just a single one that goes tits up |
| 02:13.53 | furrywolf | seriouslycgi: pull the case off your computer, and examine all the capacitors... if any of them are domed on top even the slightest, have any gunk on either the top or the bottom, are sitting crooked, or in any other way don't look perfect, time for a new motherboard. |
| 02:14.09 | furrywolf | ah, well if you already have one, that makes determining it even easier. :) |
| 02:14.23 | seriouslycgi | that sucks |
| 02:14.34 | furrywolf | you say "was"... did you replace it, or is it still there? |
| 02:15.01 | seriouslycgi | i took it off it was part of the sdram system and im using the drr ram system |
| 02:15.15 | seriouslycgi | desoldered it |
| 02:15.29 | furrywolf | you can repair them, but the capacitors are reasonably expensive, and unless you're a good solderer, more likely to harm the board than repair it... |
| 02:15.35 | wols_ | asus didn't make mobos that could take DDR and SDR |
| 02:15.35 | furrywolf | ... umm, that capacitor wasn't extra. :P |
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| 02:15.48 | furrywolf | the fact that it went bad means that it was being used. capacitors with no ripple don't go bad. |
| 02:15.53 | wols_ | are you sure it's asus and not ECS? |
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| 02:16.12 | seriouslycgi | ive been using it for months just used other linux distros before deciding to go back to debian |
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| 02:16.30 | seriouslycgi | i dont remember now wols_ |
| 02:16.32 | wols_ | seriouslycgi: is it a SIS chipset? SIS735? |
| 02:16.38 | furrywolf | these days, unless it's a server board or the like, it's cheaper to buy a new motherboard than to replace the capacitors, and certainly more time efficient, with less chance of it never working again. |
| 02:17.03 | seriouslycgi | yeah ill hav to source another one lol gahhh |
| 02:17.05 | furrywolf | the one I'm typing on right now... 22 new shiny Nichicon low-esr switching power supply caps. :) |
| 02:18.12 | seriouslycgi | whats the command to find out system info? |
| 02:18.42 | furrywolf | lspci will tell you your chipset... |
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| 02:20.13 | wols_ | seriouslycgi: use dmidecode |
| 02:20.23 | wols_ | that might even tell you the manufacturer in cleartext |
| 02:20.38 | wols_ | for me it does (I have a mobo that accepts ddr and sdr as well) |
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| 02:24.22 | seriouslycgi | wols_, ASUS A7A266 ACPI |
| 02:25.47 | wols_ | that is a DDR only board iirc |
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| 02:27.33 | seriouslycgi | wols_ id take a picture of it but i cant be bothered opening it |
| 02:28.22 | seriouslycgi | http://www.dansdata.com/a7a266.htm |
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| 02:33.34 | chadz | anyone else get flickering with fglrx ? |
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| 02:36.10 | linux1 | wow 732 residents and no one is typing |
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| 02:36.29 | Trixsey | How do I compile to .deb? |
| 02:36.33 | cast | we're thinking. |
| 02:36.41 | Trixsey | configure, make, --- |
| 02:36.50 | linux1 | rpm? |
| 02:37.06 | Trixsey | .deb :( |
| 02:37.11 | Trixsey | I don't know if it's the same :p |
| 02:37.11 | Trixsey | lol |
| 02:37.28 | linux1 | well i know how to convert a rpm to .deb |
| 02:37.29 | cast | where did you get it? |
| 02:37.41 | wols_ | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 02:37.44 | wols_ | no configure, no make |
| 02:37.55 | wols_ | linux1: that never works |
| 02:38.13 | linux1 | never has not worked for me |
| 02:38.23 | linux1 | alien |
| 02:38.31 | Quintin | linux1: alien |
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| 02:39.04 | xp_prg | anyone know of a tool to convert a midi file to wav file? |
| 02:39.16 | Quintin | xp_prg: uhm, anything? |
| 02:39.32 | Quintin | how about a 1/8" audio male <-> male plug? :p |
| 02:39.42 | xp_prg | a .mid file |
| 02:39.53 | Quintin | how about a 1/8" audio male <-> male plug? :p |
| 02:40.02 | xp_prg | come on man |
| 02:40.16 | Quintin | what? that works fine |
| 02:40.23 | Quintin | just redirect the output of your player program to a wav file |
| 02:40.25 | Quintin | pretty simple. |
| 02:40.54 | Trixsey | wols_, didn't work :( |
| 02:41.06 | Trixsey | Someone told me another command, which would be an option to "make install" |
| 02:41.13 | Trixsey | like updateinstall or somthing |
| 02:41.40 | cast | if you have a .tar.gz, you use dh_make then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 02:41.58 | cast | and hopefully you end up with a .deb |
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| 02:42.06 | setuid | Can someone help me with this small problem? http://rafb.net/p/zcmvkd22.html |
| 02:42.11 | Trixsey | dh_make being a command? |
| 02:42.16 | cast | yip. |
| 02:42.30 | GhostlyDeath | Will installing 32-bit debs on 64-bit debian put the libs in /emul/ia32-linux/lib ? |
| 02:42.37 | cast | it makes a debian/ subdir inside the source package that dpkg-buildpackage uses |
| 02:42.50 | Trixsey | dh_make *file* |
| 02:42.51 | Trixsey | syntax like that? |
| 02:43.09 | Trixsey | dh_make -f *file* |
| 02:43.29 | cast | Trixsey: let me grab gpg src and try |
| 02:43.51 | cast | Trixsey: i think you just run dh_make in the source directory |
| 02:44.02 | Trixsey | so then I unpack? |
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| 02:44.41 | Trixsey | Type of package: single binary, multiple binary, library, kernel module or cdbs? |
| 02:44.50 | Trixsey | What should I pick? I'm trying to install Pidgin (IM client) |
| 02:44.53 | cast | yip, tar xzf prog.tar.gz; cd prog/; dh_make |
| 02:45.00 | cast | single binary |
| 02:45.03 | Trixsey | ok |
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| 02:45.49 | chadz | no one's here fglrx flickers? :o |
| 02:46.03 | Quintin | fglrx ? lame |
| 02:46.09 | Quintin | buy a real gfx card :p |
| 02:46.12 | thingfish | now now |
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| 02:46.19 | gpm | oh lord |
| 02:46.24 | linux1 | chadz: check that your gpu is properly seated, and the connection to the monitor is tight |
| 02:46.46 | thingfish | maybe his refresh rate is low. |
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| 02:46.52 | chadz | linux1: it's a laptop. |
| 02:47.00 | linux1 | ahh |
| 02:47.08 | thingfish | oh well even 60Hz shouldn't be too bad. |
| 02:47.10 | Quintin | chadz: does this happen if you use VESA driver? |
| 02:47.16 | linux1 | what onboard video is it |
| 02:47.16 | Trixsey | -rfakeroot (i.e. you run the command as "root"?) |
| 02:47.20 | chadz | it'll flicker if the display suspends at all |
| 02:47.27 | cast | Trixsey: tar zxf gnupg-1.4.7.tar.gz; cd gnupg-1.4.7; dh_make -s -f ../gnupg-1.4.7.tar.gz; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot seems to be enough to build gpg for me, as a normal user :) |
| 02:47.29 | Trixsey | I'm in Ubuntu atm, but I found the people in #Ubuntu kind of offensive :p |
| 02:47.31 | chadz | if i go back to console, and back to Xorg, the flickering will dissapear |
| 02:47.35 | cast | Trixsey: you use fakeroot so you don't have to use root iirc |
| 02:47.54 | Trixsey | then I'll use sudo (the equivalent in Ubuntu?) |
| 02:47.58 | Trixsey | or? |
| 02:47.58 | cast | Trixsey: fakeroot is a program you must install |
| 02:48.03 | Trixsey | ohh |
| 02:48.04 | Trixsey | ok |
| 02:48.05 | Quintin | Trixsey: You find idiocy offensive too? :) |
| 02:48.07 | Trixsey | then I'll just copy your command |
| 02:48.21 | Trixsey | Quintin, no :) |
| 02:48.22 | Quintin | chadz: did you look on google for similar problems? |
| 02:48.34 | chadz | Quintin: yah, there's a few people asking without answers :( |
| 02:48.47 | chadz | there's on on debianhelp, antoher on a howto, etc. |
| 02:48.51 | chadz | i had the same issue on gentoo |
| 02:48.53 | Gigantic | Do I 'have to' use us-ascii? 'Cause I need to deliver some non-us chars and not sure if iso8859-1 would be fine |
| 02:48.57 | Quintin | Trixsey: what, specifically is offensive then? :p |
| 02:48.59 | Gigantic | in bounce |
| 02:49.02 | Quintin | chadz: sucks :( |
| 02:49.20 | Trixsey | The reverse, I guess? People laughing at newbies like me for being newbies :( |
| 02:49.32 | cast | Trixsey: i might as well compile gaim, see what its like :) |
| 02:49.33 | Trixsey | They are like "wtf you don't know that? lololz gtfo" |
| 02:49.34 | chadz | Quintin: yah. it's easily solved by just tabbing out of X and back into it, but it's a litlte bothersome |
| 02:49.50 | Trixsey | cast, compile Pidgin, it's the successor |
| 02:49.59 | cast | Trixsey: ahh thats what i mean |
| 02:50.09 | Quintin | Most ubuntu users are not very knowledgeable |
| 02:50.18 | setuid | Anyone know? |
| 02:50.21 | Trixsey | Can I somehow do a dh_make or alike that includes dependencies? |
| 02:50.48 | cast | Trixsey: if you want to setup dependances edit the debian/control file |
| 02:51.26 | thingfish | Trixsey: don't take too much offense...some people like to pick on others to make up for how badly they feel about themselves. |
| 02:51.28 | Trixsey | hrms |
| 02:51.52 | Trixsey | <3 thingfish |
| 02:52.14 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:52.28 | cast | everyone is a newbie. somehow. |
| 02:52.39 | Trixsey | hrms |
| 02:52.46 | Trixsey | then I need to find a list of Pidgin dependencies :) |
| 02:52.58 | chadz | Trixsey: just backport it |
| 02:53.07 | Trixsey | huh? |
| 02:53.13 | Trixsey | Pidgin is not in my backports |
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| 02:53.22 | chadz | apt-get source, apt-get build-dep, etc. |
| 02:53.28 | chadz | add the deb-src for sid to your source/list |
| 02:53.37 | Trixsey | I'm in Ubuntu :( |
| 02:53.42 | thingfish | ...or, you can make do with gaim. |
| 02:53.49 | thingfish | which happens to work fine. |
| 02:53.52 | chadz | oh, there should be a howto then on the forums. |
| 02:53.54 | Trixsey | I might as well do it the hard way |
| 02:53.56 | Trixsey | I might learn something |
| 02:54.21 | Guerin | Trixsey: install debian, then we can talk |
| 02:54.23 | Gigantic | *no body knows it... no body knows it, and you have that secret smile... |
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| 02:54.42 | setuid | Anyone? Anyone? |
| 02:54.45 | Trixsey | Guerin, Debians advantages over Ubuntu? |
| 02:54.47 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 02:54.47 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 02:54.51 | setuid | http://rafb.net/p/zcmvkd22.html |
| 02:54.59 | wols_ | !tell Trixsey about why debian |
| 02:55.00 | Quintin | setuid: what is your question? |
| 02:55.01 | thingfish | pidgin is in backports? |
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| 02:55.04 | Guerin | Trixsey: it has an order of magnitude more supported software |
| 02:55.12 | wols_ | thingfish: it's in sid and lenny |
| 02:55.14 | setuid | Quintin, See the above rafb.net link, its in there |
| 02:55.20 | chadz | wols_: it's in lenny now? |
| 02:55.27 | Guerin | wols_: hey, I'm not that fat |
| 02:55.31 | Trixsey | Something annoying in Ubuntu is that people force dependencies on certain packages :/ |
| 02:55.36 | thingfish | wols_: that I knew, but I thought someone just said it's available via backports, which it isn't. |
| 02:55.41 | wols_ | !btsmite setuid |
| 02:55.45 | wols_ | !btssmite setuid |
| 02:55.48 | Trixsey | Like Azureus/Eclipse depends on GCJ, but they aren't fully compatible with GCJ |
| 02:56.02 | Trixsey | It's like desperately trying to force 100% open source on the user |
| 02:56.07 | Trixsey | even though it's not working |
| 02:56.28 | Guerin | Trixsey: that's very unlike ubuntu, who have no qualms about including non-free shite in their distro |
| 02:56.31 | Trixsey | in most cases it does, but I dislike getting stripped of the freedom of choice :p |
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| 02:56.38 | Guerin | and even RELEASE proprietary shite |
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| 02:56.52 | cast | Guerin: really? thats not cool. |
| 02:56.52 | Quintin | Guerin: what does ubuntu release that is proprietary? |
| 02:56.59 | setuid | wols_, That didn't help |
| 02:57.05 | Guerin | Quintin: launchpad |
| 02:57.05 | Quintin | personally, I don't give a damn about 'non-free'. I just want a pc that works |
| 02:57.09 | wols_ | setuid: then install etch again |
| 02:57.13 | Trixsey | Quintin, same here :p |
| 02:57.15 | Guerin | although it's not public, it is proprietary |
| 02:57.17 | Quintin | Guerin: they still haven't released that yet, eh. hm |
| 02:57.28 | setuid | wols_, I'm trying to follow this: |
| 02:57.28 | Guerin | not to you and me, no |
| 02:57.29 | setuid | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/356 |
| 02:57.35 | setuid | But that doc has a *LOT* of errors in it |
| 02:57.41 | setuid | So every step requires corrections |
| 02:57.47 | Guerin | Quintin: then you should be using linspire |
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| 02:58.10 | alberto | hi |
| 02:58.12 | wols_ | setuid: I don't care. you are running sid but can't be bothered to check BTS. Sid is not for you |
| 02:58.19 | Quintin | Guerin: ORLY. you like it? right now I have debian / fbsd 6 on servers, and ubuntu on desktops |
| 02:58.57 | Trixsey | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} |
| 02:59.01 | Guerin | Quintin: no, i never used it. But i can't imagine you wanting the hassle of ruinning a free distro ... |
| 02:59.03 | wols_ | Quintin: what do you want? a sysadmin l337ness award? |
| 02:59.04 | Trixsey | Do I just add stuff inside the brackets? |
| 02:59.10 | setuid | I'll redo it as etch, but the problem is that none of the Palm development tools are in Etch |
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| 02:59.21 | Guerin | Trixsey: we have no idea what you're on about |
| 02:59.30 | Guerin | Trixsey: go and ask #ubuntu, or install debian |
| 02:59.31 | wols_ | Trixsey: you are in the wrong channel. ask #ubuntu |
| 02:59.48 | Trixsey | But building .deb files should be just the same in Debian :( |
| 02:59.50 | Guerin | cue whining |
| 02:59.57 | cast | Trixsey: might as well install Debian now ;) freedom is most important |
| 02:59.58 | wols_ | so predictable |
| 03:00.00 | Guerin | Trixsey: it should be, but nobody can guarantee it is |
| 03:00.16 | Trixsey | well, there was a debian/ folder |
| 03:00.18 | Trixsey | and a control file |
| 03:00.23 | Trixsey | like I was told :p |
| 03:00.31 | Trixsey | I'd be surprised if there were differences in syntax |
| 03:00.31 | Trixsey | lol |
| 03:00.45 | Guerin | i'd be surprised, too, but I HAVE BEEN surprised before |
| 03:00.50 | Trixsey | lol |
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| 03:00.53 | Guerin | hence: #ubuntu |
| 03:00.59 | Trixsey | But they are meanies :'( |
| 03:01.05 | Guerin | we're meanies too |
| 03:01.06 | wols_ | Trixsey: you should understand by now that we don't do ubuntu support. no matter what. so either install debian or go back to #ubuntu |
| 03:01.11 | Guerin | don't make us prove it |
| 03:01.14 | Quintin | Guerin: well, it's not too much of a hassle.. most of the stuff I use is free. only thing not would be sun java, I guess. and opera, which I use sometimes |
| 03:01.19 | Quintin | wols_: I am a ninja |
| 03:01.34 | Guerin | Quintin: i'm a pirate, and pirates > ninjas |
| 03:01.49 | Guerin | arr |
| 03:01.53 | cast | well java is gpled now isn't it? or is that still in the works. and there is no need to use opera at all |
| 03:01.58 | Quintin | as if |
| 03:02.04 | wols_ | cast: not yet. but on its way |
| 03:02.11 | Guerin | cast: no, sun *claims* to be gpling it |
| 03:02.15 | Trixsey | Which distro is biggest in terms of users? |
| 03:02.18 | Trixsey | Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 03:02.26 | wols_ | Guerin: they will. fear will make them do it |
| 03:02.27 | Guerin | Trixsey: nobody knows for sure. |
| 03:02.32 | wols_ | lots of gnashing and wailing but they do it |
| 03:02.35 | krazykit | Trixsey, you're on a debian channel. obviously the answer is going to be mostly debian. |
| 03:02.37 | Guerin | wols_: i think so, too. |
| 03:02.38 | setuid | Trixsey, http://distrowatch.com/ |
| 03:03.22 | setuid | Based on channel size here, its #ubuntu (1,068), #gentoo (882), #debian (#727) |
| 03:03.38 | Quintin | cast: opera pwns. it's a millions times faster than firefox, which is fucking slow on linux |
| 03:03.46 | Quintin | firefox on win, curiously, is quite fast. |
| 03:03.49 | Guerin | opera is awful |
| 03:03.54 | tedivm | Trixsey, i don't think the point is who has the most users, more like what fits who best |
| 03:03.57 | wols_ | setuid: don't forget the many people who are actually ubuntu users but are here cause the support actually knows what they're talking about |
| 03:03.57 | Quintin | Trixsey: ubuntu, probably |
| 03:04.01 | Quintin | Guerin: hwo so? |
| 03:04.06 | Guerin | i don't trust it, fucking adware dealers |
| 03:04.16 | Quintin | Guerin: how so? I haven't seen ads for some time. |
| 03:04.22 | setuid | Quintin, Can I load Firefox extensions in Opera? Or does Opera have its own few hundred useful extensions? |
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| 03:04.42 | Quintin | setuid: nope. that's why I still use firefox. only a few extensions have I found supremely useful though |
| 03:04.43 | cast | Quintin: its closed source. thus its a non-contestant |
| 03:04.54 | setuid | wols_, Yep, but don't forget, I've been here for well over 10 years... on _this_ network :) |
| 03:04.55 | Guerin | Quintin: 1. it's properietary 2. it was adware and you have no way of demonstraing it's not spying on you now 3. it's got shitty extension and theming support 4. the defaults are *retarded* |
| 03:05.00 | setuid | So I've seen it all before, over and over and over |
| 03:05.03 | Quintin | cast: in *your mind*, *not* mine. me, I don't really give a fuck, since they charge $0 for it |
| 03:05.22 | Quintin | Guerin: I think simply monitoring network would be easy way to determine spying |
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| 03:05.42 | setuid | Though, I do run Opera on my Palm Treo680, because it works better than the crappy onboard browser Palm ships |
| 03:05.43 | Quintin | Guerin: I found some defaults to be ill advised, yes |
| 03:05.44 | cast | Quintin: the desire for free software was born out of practical issues :) |
| 03:05.44 | Guerin | Quintin: your lack of imagination doesn't change the fact that there exist other ways. It's a netowkr-enabled programme. |
| 03:05.59 | Guerin | you can't manually vet all traffic it sends, all the time. |
| 03:06.28 | rking | Guerin: i feel like you can |
| 03:06.42 | Guerin | rking: go ahead, then. |
| 03:06.46 | wols_ | rking: and I feel the world owes me a pony |
| 03:06.50 | rking | hehe |
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| 03:06.58 | setuid | Well aren't you all glad you have CHOICE in which browser to use... |
| 03:07.03 | Guerin | I concede it's unlikely opera *doies* spy, but I can't be sure. Hence: not for me. |
| 03:07.07 | setuid | Relish in that, and forget the turf wars |
| 03:07.18 | Guerin | wow, my typing is bad today |
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| 03:07.25 | setuid | Guerin, Use a Squid proxy, analyze the output |
| 03:07.25 | setuid | Problem solved |
| 03:07.34 | rking | it's easy to sniff all traffic, and slowly exclude stuff known to be noise. i'm not saying all users can test all software for phoning home, but if something was doing that someone would have already exposed it through the sniff method |
| 03:07.56 | Guerin | setuid: see above re: imagination |
| 03:08.00 | andre_ | do you think its eventually will get hard to find proprietary drivers on new linux releases, |
| 03:08.06 | Guerin | rking: yes, you're right. Has anyone done it? |
| 03:08.24 | Guerin | andre_: depends on the distro. |
| 03:08.29 | setuid | andre_, That's up to the vendors who support Linudx |
| 03:08.32 | krazykit | andre_, at the rate Free drivers are coming along, yes, except binary blob firmware for wireless cards |
| 03:08.32 | setuid | er, Linux |
| 03:08.33 | rking | i donno. i won't use it because it's uninspiring to me, but if i was going to use it, i'd google around to see if someone has |
| 03:08.49 | setuid | When hardware doesn't work with Linux, it is *ALWAYS* a vendor problem (well, that or broken hardware) |
| 03:09.28 | wols_ | Guerin: the fact alone that it's closed source, not forkable, and that they can change license terms any day means it's a non contender |
| 03:09.38 | cast | its raelly difficult to know what information opera communicates if its being covert about it. what if a paused for 1 second on some things, and 0.5 for everything else when communiticating with servers and transfered data to the server that way? the ways are only limited by your imagination, seems to me easy to just not use it. especially since everytime there's a new version you have to check again |
| 03:09.44 | Guerin | wols_: yes. |
| 03:09.47 | andre_ | that pises me off , its like you switch to linux to get away from microsoft and all the crap and they still eventually win |
| 03:10.13 | Guerin | andre_: not really. |
| 03:10.21 | wols_ | andre_: linux has come an incredible far way against the odds |
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| 03:10.54 | wols_ | in fact, linux has a solid marketshare, its existence is secure pretty much |
| 03:10.56 | tedivm | i know linux is getting huge where i live |
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| 03:11.05 | tedivm | i know a lot of non-geek linux users now |
| 03:11.11 | wols_ | that is more than any other newcomer of the last 20 years in the PC world can say |
| 03:11.22 | Guerin | one of my cow-orkers bought a new laptop and installed ubuntu on it |
| 03:11.26 | tedivm | a bunch of people at work, and all these friends. |
| 03:11.32 | cast | linux the kernel or the OS? |
| 03:11.40 | Guerin | cast: linux is a kernel. Not an OS |
| 03:11.40 | andre_ | yes i agree and love what its doing so far, i like the fact that you can try over a 120 distros , just to try something different |
| 03:11.44 | wols_ | cast: the platform |
| 03:12.01 | cast | Guerin: i agree fully. just common meaning of linux is as an OS |
| 03:12.06 | Guerin | no |
| 03:12.10 | setuid | Not to mention the HUGE wealth of legacy and bleeding edge hardware that Linux supports, well before Windows or OS X supports it |
| 03:12.10 | setuid | (WUSB is one example of this) |
| 03:12.12 | setuid | Linux had a working implementation before Windows even had drivers |
| 03:12.13 | tedivm | one of my friends coaches her daughter's high school colar gaurd, and a bunch of these teenage girls are all over ubuntu |
| 03:12.18 | setuid | And what... support for somthing like 32 processor families? |
| 03:12.22 | wols_ | Guerin: it is. the geeks lost that war just like the hackre one. get over it |
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| 03:12.32 | cast | Guerin: really, it is. ask most GNU/Linux users and they'll say their OS is linux |
| 03:12.46 | setuid | wols_, I want to make some t-shirts up: "Ubuntu, from the ancient African phrase: Can't install Debian." :) |
| 03:12.49 | tedivm | its hilarious- they got it because it has stuff they can use for editing websites, specifically they make myspace/livejournal themes and stuff using it |
| 03:12.51 | Guerin | wols_: just because dumb people say something don't make it so. |
| 03:12.53 | cast | Guerin: its wrong. sure, but it is unfortunately how it is :< |
| 03:12.57 | wols_ | setuid: well.... sometimes you win some (amd64, itanium,...) sometimes you lose yome (wlan drivers, ati, etc) |
| 03:12.58 | tedivm | myspace turned teenage girls into linux users |
| 03:13.34 | setuid | wols_, Its all a matter of time, we've been here long enough to see that |
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| 03:13.34 | andre_ | well its better ubuntu than vista, ubuntu is still in the linux family |
| 03:13.34 | wols_ | Guerin: language is a consensus thing. it's no good if you say something and are misunderstood no matter how "right" you are and how wrong the other guy is |
| 03:13.35 | setuid | There's the r300, fglrx, ati, and other alternatives |
| 03:13.49 | tedivm | the webediting and lack of horrible spyware and viriuses helped |
| 03:13.57 | wols_ | setuid: and they are all shit due to their own problems. there is "only2 fglrx, ati and vesa btw |
| 03:14.04 | Guerin | wols_: not quite. Language is a matter of dynamic tension. |
| 03:14.05 | setuid | I wonder why the Palm Development environment exists solely in sid, and not etch |
| 03:14.10 | setuid | I should try lenny |
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| 03:17.33 | andre_ | gents i have a question , im presently using slackware 12.0r1 but want to install debian , I have etch kde, and debian 64 or 32 bit , is 64bit running without too many errors should i install debian 64 bit or kde 32 bit or xfce 32 bit debian etch, I know its windows preference but which one runs the best , i do like gnome |
| 03:17.54 | cast | etch amd64 port is pretty solid. |
| 03:18.11 | cast | been using it for months, zero problems :) |
| 03:18.22 | andre_ | kde running ok or should use gnome |
| 03:18.30 | krazykit | andre_, main problems are going to be using closed-source junk like flash and w32codecs |
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| 03:18.42 | cast | that is your choice andre_ |
| 03:18.47 | wols_ | cast: question, can you run wine now? of vmware? (32bit stuff) |
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| 03:19.47 | gpm | isn't flashplugin-nonfree available in, um, non-free? |
| 03:19.55 | gpm | i know you need marillat for w32codecs |
| 03:20.05 | cast | wols_: i'm not sure, i try to stay away from proprietary - but i think vmware would run |
| 03:20.17 | andre_ | kazykit : what do you suggest |
| 03:20.28 | wols_ | gpm: not 64bit |
| 03:20.40 | gpm | aha |
| 03:20.55 | gpm | man, i can't wait till we're all at 64 bits |
| 03:21.12 | gpm | s/till/'til |
| 03:21.23 | netdaemon | no probs...of course i don't care for flash or jaba in a browser... |
| 03:21.35 | gpm | jaba no good |
| 03:21.35 | netdaemon | s/jaba/java |
| 03:21.38 | gpm | heh |
| 03:21.42 | krazykit | jaba the hut? |
| 03:21.47 | gpm | jabba? |
| 03:21.47 | cast | wols_: http://www.vmware.com/support/server/doc/releasenotes_server.html 1.0 had 'experimental' for ubuntu, its up to 1.0.3 now - haven't tried it though |
| 03:21.52 | netdaemon | well java is fat... |
| 03:21.52 | netdaemon | so yes |
| 03:21.53 | netdaemon | lol |
| 03:21.56 | andre_ | i tried etch 32 ran great , my pc can run 64 bit , so was wanting to try i guess it doest matter, if i dont like reinstall another one |
| 03:22.04 | gpm | at least it's not jarjar |
| 03:22.12 | gpm | although you need jaba to run a jarjar |
| 03:22.12 | cast | [in 64bit that is] |
| 03:22.18 | krazykit | gpm, jarjar is flash, obviously |
| 03:22.27 | gpm | wtf? |
| 03:22.33 | setuid | jarjar? :) |
| 03:22.34 | netdaemon | haha |
| 03:22.41 | linux1 | more disadvantages to running 64 bit |
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| 03:22.48 | linux1 | no advantages |
| 03:23.04 | gpm | there are perks, if you actually use them |
| 03:23.05 | netdaemon | i like using all the bits i payed for |
| 03:23.06 | setuid | Except the ability to use >4G of RAM of course |
| 03:23.10 | wols_ | linux1: there are advantages |
| 03:23.11 | krazykit | linux1, potential speedups in certain apps? |
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| 03:23.14 | netdaemon | if its not portable to 64 bit, its not worth my time |
| 03:23.19 | cast | the disadvantages of 64bit all revolve around non-free software |
| 03:23.31 | linux1 | ive never seen any noticeable speed increases on 64 bit os's |
| 03:23.37 | setuid | Hey, if the code was out there, it'd have a native port |
| 03:23.42 | cast | linux1: oh, try openssl speed? |
| 03:23.43 | setuid | I blame ignorant vendors |
| 03:23.43 | netdaemon | and i consider non portability lazyness on the developers part |
| 03:23.43 | wols_ | setuid: even when you have more than 1GB it helps |
| 03:24.00 | setuid | wols_, Right, but the proc can't physically address more than 4G without a 64-bit word |
| 03:24.08 | cast | personally i like my ifconfig tx/rx counters not wrapping around :) |
| 03:24.25 | gpm | damn, this channel is so international |
| 03:24.26 | wols_ | setuid: there are problems already when you go over 1GB. you just don't notice them |
| 03:24.32 | setuid | I thought ethernet counters died when website counters died |
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| 03:24.44 | setuid | gpm, s/channel/network/ |
| 03:24.50 | setuid | s/network/community/ |
| 03:25.30 | setuid | Ok, prc-tools-arm isn't in Etch or Lenny |
| 03:25.33 | setuid | Trying Sid again now |
| 03:25.36 | setuid | (in chroot) |
| 03:25.44 | gpm | setuid: no, i can't speak for the network, this is the only channel i visit usually |
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| 03:25.55 | gpm | but the debian community is quite international, yes |
| 03:26.03 | wols_ | setuid: maybe try a simple sid backport |
| 03:26.11 | setuid | wols_, I need the whole toolchain though |
| 03:26.17 | setuid | Which means all the libs must be built against it |
| 03:26.20 | setuid | Its thorny |
| 03:26.29 | setuid | But there is no 64-bit port (and never will be) |
| 03:26.33 | wols_ | gpm: and that's one of the very good things, even when it means we have .sg, .br and .tr : |
| 03:26.37 | wols_ | :) |
| 03:26.38 | setuid | It kind of sucks |
| 03:26.41 | andre_ | hey what can you do with a 333 mhz pc2 pc that has vector on it |
| 03:26.42 | setuid | All Palm development on Linux stops at 32-bit |
| 03:26.53 | gpm | werd |
| 03:27.06 | setuid | Funny too, because Palm just moved everything to Linux on their devices |
| 03:27.08 | andre_ | what can i use it for |
| 03:27.12 | wols_ | cast: it's either a great ego booster or a great comedy show when you go there :) |
| 03:27.17 | wols_ | great stuff :) |
| 03:27.20 | andre_ | paper weight? |
| 03:27.31 | setuid | andre_, doorstop |
| 03:27.35 | setuid | boat anchor |
| 03:27.39 | wols_ | andre_: has vector on it? |
| 03:27.58 | wols_ | and it makes a nice home mailserver, gateway, firewall, fileserver, etc |
| 03:28.22 | setuid | and portable heater |
| 03:28.22 | andre_ | ya i installed vector linux on it , got rid of windows 98 its way way faster |
| 03:28.36 | wols_ | andre_: we don#t care about vector linux |
| 03:28.51 | wols_ | what we ask is, why not debian? |
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| 03:29.10 | andre_ | i know , you dont , dont take it personal debian would nt run |
| 03:29.30 | wols_ | this I can't believe |
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| 03:29.59 | gpm | meh, all linux distros are basically the same codebase, it's a matter of finding the one with the defaults that work for you (and manages to not suck) |
| 03:30.07 | Noborusan | usually the ISP's routers have firewall setup right ? |
| 03:30.09 | setuid | Except Red Hat |
| 03:30.16 | setuid | Red Hat is the _least_ Linux of all the distros |
| 03:30.21 | Noborusan | i mean,do i need to buy a firewall according to that ? |
| 03:30.22 | setuid | Always has been, WAY out in Left Field |
| 03:30.25 | andre_ | as far as i am concerned linux is linux no matter what distro its all good , at least its not microsoft |
| 03:30.30 | krazykit | Noborusan, no, not really. |
| 03:30.43 | gpm | left field gets more action than right field |
| 03:30.47 | cast | to be fair Debian running GNU/kFreeBSD isn't a very linuxy distro |
| 03:30.49 | krazykit | Noborusan, you should be using your own firewall |
| 03:31.08 | Noborusan | krazykit,hmmm, you mean simply buy a cheap router for home is enough ? |
| 03:31.31 | krazykit | Noborusan, you don't even need that. just use what debian's already given you |
| 03:31.33 | wols_ | Noborusan: yes |
| 03:31.35 | setuid | andre_, linux is linux, but Linux is not Linux |
| 03:31.41 | setuid | and linux is not Linux |
| 03:31.46 | setuid | There is a difference |
| 03:31.52 | Noborusan | oh |
| 03:31.57 | wols_ | krazykit: a "firewall" on the system you want to protect is not a firewall but a waste of ressources |
| 03:32.09 | wols_ | Noborusan: a hardware router is a good thing if your ISP won't give you one |
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| 03:32.17 | gpm | save teh treez! |
| 03:32.34 | mmlj4 | a host firewall is never a bad thing |
| 03:33.17 | martman | is there some kind of alternative to libapache2-mod-auth-mysql (since its not in stable yet)? |
| 03:33.22 | Noborusan | wols_, yeah,i find a netgear FVS114 VPN firewall, in the meantime, they have a cheap router which does few firewall tasks called rp614,also im not sure if i should buy either one or im already done cuz usually ISPs have firewall already ? |
| 03:33.35 | gpm | linksys ftw |
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| 03:33.59 | Quintin | gpm: linksys fucking sucks |
| 03:34.08 | Quintin | Try using BT on a linksys wrt54g with stock firmware for proof |
| 03:34.09 | gpm | sure does |
| 03:34.09 | krazykit | forget linksys. get a buffalo router compatible with openwrt |
| 03:34.16 | Quintin | bull |
| 03:34.19 | Quintin | build your own router, like a man! |
| 03:34.27 | setuid | I use my Buffalope with dd-wrt, it rocks |
| 03:34.28 | wols_ | Noborusan: if your ISP gives you a device that sets your IP for your amchine to 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x then you are good to go and don#t need to buy anything else |
| 03:34.30 | linux1 | yep spend twice as much |
| 03:34.31 | mmnicolas | a wrt54g with dd-wrt isnt bad is it ? |
| 03:34.34 | wols_ | if they don't: get a router yourself |
| 03:34.47 | gpm | save on that electric bill man, you don't need a whole computer to do that job |
| 03:34.48 | Quintin | mmnicolas: no |
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| 03:34.59 | gpm | most of the time anyway |
| 03:34.59 | cluck | hi |
| 03:35.01 | gpm | not at home |
| 03:35.14 | Quintin | gpm: the electric bill increase is negligible, and if it really matters, you can always buy a soekris or such for $150 |
| 03:35.18 | wols_ | mmnicolas: it is bad nowadays in the latest hardware revision: 5.x and later |
| 03:35.21 | setuid | Forget the electric bill, you're saving the environment by not consuming fossil fuels to power that thing |
| 03:35.31 | wols_ | linksys cut both RAM and flash making it a sucky router |
| 03:35.33 | setuid | Quintin, No, not negligible |
| 03:35.33 | mmnicolas | wols_: yea, i got a v5 precisely |
| 03:35.41 | mmlj4 | what's the difference between a linksys and a buffalo, if linux goes on each? minor, i'd wager |
| 03:35.43 | setuid | Quintin, For me, the difference is about $9.00/month |
| 03:35.44 | wols_ | mmnicolas: that runs vcworks by default |
| 03:35.48 | mmnicolas | i know |
| 03:35.49 | wols_ | *vxworks |
| 03:35.57 | mmnicolas | but you still can use the micro dd-wrt |
| 03:35.58 | setuid | $17/month if I use one of the 64-bit machines or my PS3 |
| 03:36.04 | Quintin | setuid: where do you live? |
| 03:36.07 | Noborusan | wols_, my ISP is coming to my house now,yeah,i have been waiting and they will give me a static IP and 100Mbit internet,that is why im considering buy a router,no,they won't put the router in my house,but it is in the building and i dont think i will have permission to do stuff on it. |
| 03:36.08 | krazykit | mmlj4, the buffalo ones are superior. cheaper, better looking, same hardware as the wrt54gl |
| 03:36.11 | setuid | Quintin, East Coast US |
| 03:36.16 | setuid | Quintin, My power bill is ~$180/month |
| 03:36.16 | wols_ | yes you can but a router needs RAM to hold the table with all the connections in memory |
| 03:36.23 | Quintin | Noborusan: what isp? |
| 03:36.25 | wols_ | the 5.x wrts lack that |
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| 03:36.30 | Quintin | setuid: mine is $0.0/month :D |
| 03:36.33 | mmlj4 | same hardware? i figured about as much |
| 03:36.39 | setuid | Quintin, You don't pay for any of your power? |
| 03:36.47 | mmlj4 | now cheaper? you're talking my language |
| 03:36.48 | Noborusan | Quintin, one of my local ISP. |
| 03:36.49 | gpm | there's still that pesky environment though |
| 03:37.02 | Quintin | Noborusan: name? I want some 100mbit internet. mine is only 10mbit : ( |
| 03:37.15 | linux1 | drive a pickup that gets 10 mpg, be a man |
| 03:37.30 | krazykit | mmlj4, you can find the buffalo that's compatible with openwrt/ddwrt/whatever for about 40USD |
| 03:37.41 | andre_ | you people get too uptight about your distro that why you lost the race agains ubuntu |
| 03:37.43 | setuid | linux1, You might find your pickup vandalized by locals if you do |
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| 03:37.53 | linux1 | not likely |
| 03:37.58 | Noborusan | Quintin, im not in the US. sorry. |
| 03:38.01 | setuid | You would if you lived in New England |
| 03:38.07 | Quintin | andre_: I was not aware that there was a 'race' to begin with. |
| 03:38.09 | linux1 | people still have some sense where i am at |
| 03:38.22 | linux1 | respect for others property |
| 03:38.35 | krazykit | andre_, quality, not quantity. |
| 03:38.41 | setuid | linux1, I drive a 2003 Chevy Avalanche SUT, and though its not vandalized, neighbors of mine have reported their SUVs and SUTs have had the gas drained out |
| 03:38.51 | [debug] | Hey, how is Ubuntu and similar debian based distros able to have only one CD, where Debian has 6? |
| 03:38.57 | linux1 | thats different |
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| 03:38.58 | linux1 | lol |
| 03:39.10 | linux1 | not vandalism, theft |
| 03:39.10 | setuid | It still stops you from going anywhere |
| 03:39.19 | quitte | heh. how is debian going to pay it's developers now that its loosing marketshare to ubuntu? |
| 03:39.21 | setuid | Nah, there's definitely vandalism here |
| 03:39.25 | netdaemon | [debug]: you only need debian cd 1 |
| 03:39.29 | krazykit | [debug], because you dont' need all 6 to install debian. just the first one. or just the 150mb netinstall |
| 03:39.35 | [debug] | oh |
| 03:39.37 | [debug] | so what's the other cds? |
| 03:39.38 | setuid | One guy had a two-fisted flattip screwdriver rammed through his grille and through his radiator |
| 03:39.48 | setuid | [debug], porn |
| 03:39.54 | setuid | [debug], And please pick a new nick |
| 03:39.55 | netdaemon | [debug]: the rest of debian's packages |
| 03:39.55 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 03:39.58 | [debug] | okay |
| 03:40.03 | setuid | It looks like I'm reading output logs |
| 03:40.08 | [debug] | hmm. i need a new nick :< |
| 03:40.11 | andre_ | i just want people to relaxe and not get so uptight about it , its all choice , some for novice some for more experienced users thats all i have nothing bad to say about debian its a great distro and love it thats all |
| 03:40.15 | Quintin | quitte: er ... ? |
| 03:40.22 | [debug] | my nick's in use :( |
| 03:40.24 | Quintin | Decepticon: software. what the fuck do you think it is |
| 03:40.34 | [error] | so there |
| 03:40.38 | linux1 | pclinuxos is pretty nice |
| 03:40.42 | Quintin | [debug]: see above |
| 03:40.43 | Decepticon | what do i think it is? |
| 03:40.46 | linux1 | ubuntu, id rather run debian etch |
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| 03:41.02 | netdaemon | i'd rather run debian lenny |
| 03:41.03 | netdaemon | hehe |
| 03:41.16 | m3thos | there is "lenny" ? |
| 03:41.25 | netdaemon | yes, its testing |
| 03:41.25 | dbug | goodbye fedora, overheating causing damn distro >:| |
| 03:41.44 | linux1 | i cant stand a sh*t stained looking distro |
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| 03:42.07 | setuid | linux1, You missed my comment earlier... |
| 03:42.09 | setuid | I'm making shirts |
| 03:42.20 | setuid | "Ubuntu, from the ancient African phrase: Can't install Debian." :) |
| 03:42.31 | linux1 | nice |
| 03:42.33 | krazykit | setuid, awesome. |
| 03:42.35 | m3thos | or.. debian: but updated |
| 03:42.58 | andre_ | debian is as easy to install as ubuntu |
| 03:43.00 | krazykit | m3thos, you obviously don't understand debian's release process. |
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| 03:43.14 | m3thos | I think its kind of lame that there still are distro fights |
| 03:43.19 | linux1 | i switch back and forth between debian and ubuntu, but i prefer to run debian |
| 03:43.26 | m3thos | krazykit: has a user, or has a software engineer ? |
| 03:43.35 | setuid | I run both, I use whatever tool is required to get the job done |
| 03:43.49 | setuid | My fileservers are BSD, my development machines are Ubuntu, my servers are Debian |
| 03:43.52 | andre_ | m3thos : i agree with you totaly |
| 03:43.58 | linux1 | pclos is pretty damn good looking, i must admit |
| 03:44.15 | m3thos | krazykit: you mean.. that part of running a outdated version on x86 because its the one that works on s390/mips/alpha ? |
| 03:44.18 | krazykit | m3thos, either? stable means stable, that is, "not going to have the latest stuff in favor of providing an environment where APIs and stuff won't change on you" |
| 03:44.25 | martman | is there some kind of alternative to libapache2-mod-auth-mysql (since its not in stable yet)? |
| 03:44.26 | metbsd | netbsd in bsd is like debian in linux |
| 03:44.33 | dbug | so what are the cds 2-6 for? |
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| 03:44.36 | setuid | linux1, Try ZenWalk |
| 03:44.37 | linux1 | for a rpm distro its decent |
| 03:44.46 | quitte | I'm wondering what kind of job it is to get done with gentoo |
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| 03:44.52 | krazykit | m3thos, and if stable is too old for you, use testing or sid. |
| 03:44.53 | m3thos | krazykit: thats all good, except when stable in x86 depends on working on ppc or alpha... |
| 03:45.00 | mmlj4 | NetBSD rules... except for all the problems it's got :-( |
| 03:45.05 | andre_ | the fun is finding how they run what they do and how using slackware and arch going to debian for one and thats ok |
| 03:45.22 | m3thos | krazykit: I did, 2 or 3 years.. I've used practically all distros.. been using linux for about 10 years now |
| 03:45.24 | setuid | Ok, Sid officially sucks |
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| 03:45.37 | cast | curious how #ubuntu always goes the gui route, say for extracting a .tar or changing a passwd |
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| 03:45.51 | netdaemon | heh... |
| 03:45.55 | Quintin | setuid: are you stupid? sid is latest versions of everything |
| 03:45.56 | mmlj4 | i have little use for GUI-based anything |
| 03:46.00 | setuid | I can't wait for the one day GNOME's interface is so dumbed down, the whole thing is one big button |
| 03:46.01 | m3thos | krazykit: and I am fond of debian, but there are problems in the release engineering field... |
| 03:46.04 | krazykit | cast, not really. to a lot of the users, command line is ZOMG DOS ANETHEMA |
| 03:46.08 | Quintin | gnome sucks |
| 03:46.11 | Quintin | kde also sucks |
| 03:46.15 | quitte | setuid: my dist-upgrade almost finished. what's broken currently? |
| 03:46.20 | mmlj4 | if i wanted to admin via GUIs, I'd have stayed on windows |
| 03:46.21 | m3thos | krazykit: remember the time it took for the official amd64 arch ? |
| 03:46.23 | setuid | Quintin, I know that, and it includes software which should be in standard distros, and breaks common things like apt |
| 03:46.28 | setuid | quitte, apt |
| 03:46.33 | martman | setuid im so quoting you :) |
| 03:46.37 | setuid | martman, which one? |
| 03:46.41 | Quintin | setuid: so don't use it? it's not for production |
| 03:46.49 | mmlj4 | gimme a bash prompt and a config file and I'm good to go |
| 03:46.50 | martman | setuid "I can't wait for the one day GNOME's interface is so dumbed down, the whole thing is one big button" |
| 03:46.57 | setuid | Quintin, That's the only one that contains a Palm development environment (prc-tools) |
| 03:47.01 | setuid | martman, ;) |
| 03:47.06 | linux1 | itll be a great day when suse xandros and linspire go bye bye for good |
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| 03:47.22 | krazykit | m3thos, too long, certainly, but i don't know the specifics on the problems they may have been having. i wasn't really following anything related to development then |
| 03:47.25 | setuid | martman, They keep removing good features, so my 90 year old dead grandmother can use it... but I no longer can, without dicking inside gconf-editor |
| 03:47.30 | netdaemon | linux1: they are already gone imho |
| 03:47.38 | Acu | I want to place a apache2 webserver on debian behind a Actiontech DSL router/modem - I have configured portforwarding from the Actiontech to the webserver, However the DSL modem has a dynamic IP - I realize now that even if I get a dynamic DNS service how it would know if the IP changed - since is the Actiontech Router which gets the change not the Debian Apache server - Is any solution for this ? |
| 03:47.42 | linux1 | probably |
| 03:47.45 | martman | yep |
| 03:47.54 | setuid | quitte, libapt-pkg-perl: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 but it is not installable |
| 03:47.58 | mmlj4 | linux1: the problem with that is that the masses can't be expected to admin from the cli... those and other newbie distros are their only hope |
| 03:47.58 | setuid | quitte, dead there |
| 03:48.01 | m3thos | krazykit: I just started talking because there shouldn't be distro wars and all that lameness |
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| 03:48.05 | Quintin | Acu: there are tons of dyndns clients. search google |
| 03:48.21 | linux1 | pclos fills the noob niche rather nicely, and for free |
| 03:48.27 | quitte | setuid: ah nice. |
| 03:48.30 | setuid | its slow, requires a mouse, doesn't work remotely... no thanks. |
| 03:48.35 | liable | Acu: ddclient |
| 03:48.35 | m3thos | krazykit: debian is probablu the most valuable linux for the whole opensource comunity ::D |
| 03:48.41 | krazykit | m3thos, i suppose. in some cases, there are valid arguments |
| 03:48.48 | krazykit | m3thos, debian and red hat, imo |
| 03:48.49 | Acu | Quintin: but they have to run on the Actiontech router/DSL modem - I guess |
| 03:48.54 | quitte | setuid: unfortunately I can. it's not long enough ago I had to use windows for such a thing |
| 03:48.55 | liable | no |
| 03:49.16 | netdaemon | hey...slack is valuable too |
| 03:49.17 | andre_ | arch |
| 03:49.21 | netdaemon | its the oldest one! |
| 03:49.21 | Quintin | Acu: no, they don't. search google. also, it really shouldn't be a problem... you'd only get a new ip if you lost connection I think |
| 03:49.25 | m3thos | krazykit: agreed.. |
| 03:49.32 | setuid | Anyone remember running Ygdrassil? |
| 03:49.46 | linux1 | any distro that isnt ms or sold out to m$ is valuable |
| 03:49.48 | Quintin | setuid: ehm, remote admin on windows is easy, if you know what your'e doing |
| 03:49.49 | setuid | 4 floppies, bay-bee |
| 03:49.55 | Quintin | linux1: it's 'MS' |
| 03:50.04 | Spyro_boy | Hello. |
| 03:50.09 | setuid | Quintin, I know what I'm doing, and I prefer a shell, I can move a lot faster with a keyboard than a mouse |
| 03:50.13 | m3thos | netdaemon: nahh.. one arch, one release guy, too centralized... the packaging system is way inferior to deb or rpm, or "emerge"..etc.. |
| 03:50.23 | Spyro_boy | Does anyone know if I can change a partition "type" without formatting every other partition? |
| 03:50.24 | netdaemon | true |
| 03:50.26 | krazykit | linux1, luckily, it's only the ones that didn't really matter anymore. novell, xandros, linspire |
| 03:50.31 | setuid | m3thos, Are you talking about Slackware? |
| 03:50.32 | Acu | Quitnin: that is true the Actiontech will change IP only if it reboots - however I would like that to be taken care of - I will do more search |
| 03:50.36 | linux1 | u say tomato, i say tomoto |
| 03:50.38 | setuid | m3thos, There's a logical reason to all of those |
| 03:50.48 | netdaemon | it holds a soft spot...after trying mandrake and suse at the time when i first started, slack was the first one i actually liked |
| 03:50.55 | Quintin | Acu: hint, make a script that runs 'wget whatismyip.org' |
| 03:51.14 | setuid | Slackware is much more aligned with BSD than Linux, in terms of setup, package management, software choices. |
| 03:51.17 | Acu | Quintin the Genius! |
| 03:51.18 | linux1 | krazykit: trying to make money was their downfall me thinks |
| 03:51.28 | Quintin | Acu: yes, I am. ty for noticing. |
| 03:51.40 | setuid | what an idiot ;) |
| 03:51.43 | Quintin | Acu: you might put it in /etc/cron.hourly |
| 03:51.43 | setuid | wget whatismyip.org is useless |
| 03:51.51 | setuid | You'll probably want 'lynx -dump' on that |
| 03:52.00 | setuid | or HEAD/GET from LWP |
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| 03:52.08 | Quintin | setuid: excuse me, fuckface? |
| 03:52.22 | setuid | $ HEAD whatismyip.org |
| 03:52.23 | setuid | Enter username for smartad at whatismyip.org:80: |
| 03:52.27 | setuid | Guess not |
| 03:52.30 | Acu | setuid: thanks Quinti setuid is Savant! |
| 03:52.39 | setuid | $ lynx -dump whatismyip.org |
| 03:52.40 | setuid | 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:52.42 | setuid | Lovely |
| 03:52.47 | m3thos | ahahah |
| 03:52.55 | Quintin | setuid: Try running 'wget whatismyip.org', nub. |
| 03:52.57 | setuid | Apparently they force you to use a real useragent |
| 03:53.00 | m3thos | yeah. ..we _all_ have that addres |
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| 03:53.17 | Quintin | setuid: it gives you the IP, with no newline following. Nothing else |
| 03:53.17 | setuid | Quintin, ANd what does it spit back? An index.html... |
| 03:53.25 | gpm | yeah |
| 03:53.28 | gpm | with the ip in it |
| 03:53.32 | Quintin | setuid: Which isn't html, it's just text. |
| 03:53.35 | Quintin | setuid: man cat |
| 03:53.44 | setuid | What you want is -O |
| 03:53.54 | gpm | normally yes |
| 03:54.01 | setuid | er, -o |
| 03:54.10 | setuid | Quintin, Don't be an idiot |
| 03:54.11 | Quintin | shrug, either way. point is, it's not html, it's just 1 line of text :p |
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| 03:54.31 | setuid | Content-Type: text/html |
| 03:54.41 | gpm | dude |
| 03:54.41 | gpm | stop |
| 03:54.51 | Quintin | setuid: $ file index.html |
| 03:54.53 | Quintin | index.html: ASCII text, with no line terminators |
| 03:54.55 | setuid | He's just being an idiot, and not checking every step |
| 03:55.04 | andre_ | ok trick question which one , debian , slackware and gentoo |
| 03:55.22 | Quintin | setuid: I'm waiting for you to point out a mistake. still. |
| 03:55.24 | gpm | that's not a question |
| 03:55.34 | gpm | heh |
| 03:55.39 | netdaemon | andre_: wtf? |
| 03:55.45 | gpm | not yet, i'm on us pacific |
| 03:56.16 | setuid | Sat Jun 16 23:56:15 EDT 2007 |
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| 03:56.43 | Quintin | bmv x bfe cx2/ |
| 03:56.53 | andre_ | netdaemon relaxe |
| 03:57.14 | netdaemon | andre_: i am, i rarely am in a bad mood |
| 03:57.17 | netdaemon | hehe |
| 03:57.41 | Quintin | setuid: well? |
| 03:57.46 | setuid | Quintin, Well what? |
| 03:58.05 | setuid | If you're trying to cook up some sort of dyndns hack based on wget, there are better, cleaner, less vulnerable ways. |
| 03:58.07 | setuid | Period. |
| 03:58.14 | setuid | wget whatismyip.org is not an option |
| 03:58.15 | Quintin | setuid: waiting for you to tell me, specifically, what is wrong with using that to update the IP address. |
| 03:58.25 | Quintin | setuid: it works. period. |
| 03:58.32 | setuid | Sure, with about 11 extra steps. |
| 03:58.38 | setuid | Anyway, moving along.. |
| 03:58.39 | Quintin | ehm |
| 03:58.41 | Quintin | not really |
| 03:58.58 | Quintin | wget whatismyip.org ; updater `cat index.html` ; |
| 03:59.09 | quitte | drop it already. |
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| 03:59.12 | setuid | Yep, and you just introduced two holes |
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| 03:59.21 | setuid | You should *NEVER* use accent-graves in scripts, ever. |
| 03:59.44 | quitte | setuid: oh? why? |
| 03:59.54 | cast | wow. thats lol |
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| 04:00.09 | Quintin | $(foo), I guess is the newer way. I don't think it much matters though |
| 04:00.16 | setuid | quitte, Because a.) it doesn't report errors, 2.) its vulnerable to ^C or ^\, leaving an open shell, and 3.) it requires a subshell |
| 04:00.25 | andre_ | netdaemon, sorry i was just asking didnt want to be mean |
| 04:00.35 | Gigantic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:00.39 | setuid | I see people mistakenly using it in Perl scripts all the time |
| 04:00.40 | netdaemon | np |
| 04:00.46 | cast | don't you mean its vunerable to whatismyip.org putting up a page that says rm -fr |
| 04:00.48 | Gigantic | made an rm error! |
| 04:00.57 | setuid | Hey, speaking of ReiserFS, didn't his murder trial just start a few days ago? |
| 04:01.04 | gpm | oi |
| 04:01.17 | gpm | now it's sunday for all you est people |
| 04:01.19 | setuid | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2007-06-11-005-26-NW-LL |
| 04:01.23 | gpm | let the madness begin |
| 04:01.25 | Gigantic | *crap |
| 04:01.34 | setuid | Happy Father's Day! |
| 04:01.39 | setuid | (to all of us fathers out there) |
| 04:01.44 | cast | s/don't you mean// :) |
| 04:02.08 | Quintin | Condom Ad: "To users of our competitor's products: Happy Father's Day" |
| 04:02.22 | Quintin | gpm: madness? |
| 04:02.33 | Gigantic | *sniff |
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| 04:03.03 | setuid | Sweet! |
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| 04:03.08 | Quintin | I can imagine a picket line of people pleading for Hans release, on the grounds that he's too important to die :p |
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| 04:03.22 | Quintin | What would happen if Linus were on trial for something similar? |
| 04:03.22 | setuid | I now have 32-bit prc-tools working in a Debian AMD64 machine... in chroot. |
| 04:03.29 | *** part/#debian netdaemon (n=netdaemo@tuxhacker/netdaemon) |
| 04:03.30 | setuid | So now I can power off the 32-bit AMD machine |
| 04:03.32 | setuid | woo |
| 04:04.18 | setuid | Hey, I believe Hans Reiser did it.. I've seen more files on ReiserFS vanish without a trace on our machines before we moved to ext3 and xfs. |
| 04:04.47 | netdaemon | ext3 =) |
| 04:04.49 | Quintin | was that a geeky joke? |
| 04:04.50 | Spyro_boy | Alright. |
| 04:04.52 | Quintin | XFS pwns you |
| 04:05.08 | setuid | Quintin, No, I've lost more data in 1 year of trying ReiserFS than 10 years of ext2/ext3 |
| 04:05.12 | netdaemon | i'v lost data on XFS |
| 04:05.17 | Spyro_boy | Question: can I retype my partition without it affecting other partitions? |
| 04:05.27 | setuid | Spyro_boy, Yes |
| 04:05.36 | Spyro_boy | Okay. |
| 04:05.39 | Spyro_boy | Second question. |
| 04:05.55 | Gigantic | :( Help |
| 04:05.59 | Spyro_boy | I have Slackware on one partition (which was my swap partition) and I want to put Debian on the other partition |
| 04:06.03 | Spyro_boy | Except I have no CDs |
| 04:06.08 | setuid | Gigantic, Restore from backup |
| 04:06.13 | Spyro_boy | I only have a 4GB usb drive and eth0. |
| 04:06.17 | setuid | Gigantic, There is no "undelete", especially on a journaled fs |
| 04:06.19 | Spyro_boy | Ideas? |
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| 04:06.32 | setuid | Spyro_boy, Network install |
| 04:06.35 | Gigantic | setuid: huh ? |
| 04:06.39 | Gigantic | setuid: nope |
| 04:06.40 | basanta | i need to strip down my debian system by removing unnecessary/orphan packages - what pkg. i need and what command |
| 04:06.40 | Spyro_boy | setuid, is there a guide for that? |
| 04:06.52 | setuid | basanta, deborphan? |
| 04:07.06 | Spyro_boy | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 04:07.07 | netdaemon | basanta, debfoster is also useful |
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| 04:07.13 | Quintin | basanta: dpkg -l |
| 04:07.14 | Spyro_boy | Those are CD images though.. |
| 04:08.20 | Spyro_boy | Can I set my target partition to be a NFS drive? |
| 04:08.27 | Spyro_boy | From a Debian install? |
| 04:08.35 | quitte | Spyro_boy: you can install from a usb drive if your bios supports booting. it's all in the installtion guide. |
| 04:08.42 | quitte | network booting is in it,too |
| 04:08.57 | Spyro_boy | quitte, it's an old laptop. |
| 04:09.02 | quitte | Spyro_boy: unfortunately that is not possible |
| 04:09.02 | Spyro_boy | Atleast from 1995. |
| 04:09.16 | Spyro_boy | I see. |
| 04:09.22 | basanta | setuid, netdaemon thanks orphaner is what I was looking for |
| 04:09.35 | Spyro_boy | hey, it's netdaemon |
| 04:09.39 | Spyro_boy | netdaemon, poke |
| 04:09.41 | setuid | hrm, step 1.4 is also wrong here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/356 |
| 04:09.51 | quitte | Spyro_boy: but you can debootstrap a system on the nfs server and send the kernel to the client with tftp |
| 04:09.54 | setuid | Do the people who write these articles actually TRY the things they're writing about? |
| 04:09.56 | setuid | Apaprently not here |
| 04:10.05 | netdaemon | hey Spyro_boy |
| 04:10.06 | Spyro_boy | quitte, why tftp? |
| 04:10.13 | Spyro_boy | quitte, can't I scp the kernel over? |
| 04:10.27 | Spyro_boy | Just wondering; I always see tftp. |
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| 04:10.31 | quitte | Spyro_boy: because that's what most bootroms use to get the kernel from the network |
| 04:10.40 | Spyro_boy | Ah. |
| 04:11.18 | Gigantic | damn |
| 04:11.58 | quitte | Spyro_boy: the laptop from 95 has usb? |
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| 04:13.23 | Spyro_boy | http://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap |
| 04:13.28 | Spyro_boy | quitte, one USB port. |
| 04:13.47 | quitte | Spyro_boy: then it's quite a few years newer |
| 04:13.49 | Spyro_boy | quitte, It's a Dell Latitude CP M233XT MMX core. |
| 04:14.06 | Spyro_boy | Mmm |
| 04:14.09 | Spyro_boy | maybe it can boot USB |
| 04:14.10 | Spyro_boy | let me check |
| 04:14.19 | quitte | Spyro_boy: don'T bother. it can't |
| 04:14.35 | Spyro_boy | Ah. Thought so. |
| 04:14.39 | quitte | Spyro_boy: is the nic built in? |
| 04:15.08 | Spyro_boy | Nope. |
| 04:15.17 | Spyro_boy | It's a pcmcia card. |
| 04:15.44 | Spyro_boy | I might do cdebootstrap over NFS. |
| 04:15.51 | quitte | Spyro_boy: ok. no fetching the kernel from the network unless you do some voodoo with dos then |
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| 04:16.30 | Spyro_boy | quitte, what? |
| 04:16.50 | *** part/#debian Gigantic (n=Faustus@unaffiliated/gigantic) |
| 04:17.17 | quitte | Spyro_boy: I don't know of a bootloader that can use pcmcia nics. |
| 04:17.46 | quitte | Spyro_boy: so your only media to boot from i hdd or floppy? |
| 04:18.01 | Spyro_boy | No floppy. |
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| 04:18.11 | quitte | Spyro_boy: omg |
| 04:18.20 | Spyro_boy | quitte, I'll just mount NFS/SSHFS and cdebootstrap. |
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| 04:18.34 | quitte | Spyro_boy: so you already have a linux on it? |
| 04:18.43 | Spyro_boy | quitte, an old slackware. |
| 04:18.58 | Spyro_boy | Which I don't want as it's not awesome to compile everything. |
| 04:19.08 | Spyro_boy | Especially on a 233 MMX. |
| 04:19.09 | quitte | Spyro_boy: be careful not t lock yourself out. afaict you only chance to get an os on it is to take the hdd out. |
| 04:19.23 | Spyro_boy | quitte, no. I have a slackware CD. |
| 04:19.33 | Spyro_boy | That's how I got slack on it. |
| 04:19.38 | Spyro_boy | I just don't have any Debian CDs |
| 04:19.41 | Spyro_boy | only on DVDs |
| 04:20.01 | quitte | Spyro_boy: huh? just download the netinstall cd then. |
| 04:20.08 | Spyro_boy | quitte, no cds |
| 04:20.14 | Spyro_boy | the slackware CD was burned when I had CDs. |
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| 04:20.22 | Spyro_boy | I don't have anymore :/ |
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| 04:20.41 | quitte | Spyro_boy: not even a cd-rw that came with the burner? |
| 04:20.58 | Spyro_boy | quitte, nope. |
| 04:20.58 | klobster | if I do > mtab will it rebuild itself during a reboot? |
| 04:21.25 | Spyro_boy | klobster, mtab is dynamic. It will probably rebuild as soona s you edit it. |
| 04:21.44 | Spyro_boy | mtab is where mount (with no arguments) gets its output. |
| 04:21.45 | quitte | it's not that dynamic |
| 04:21.54 | Spyro_boy | oh |
| 04:21.54 | setuid | hrm, how can I change the hostname inside a chroot? |
| 04:22.02 | Spyro_boy | setuid, hostname? |
| 04:22.06 | setuid | nope |
| 04:22.11 | setuid | That reports the parent hostname |
| 04:22.19 | setuid | and changing it inside the chroot also changes it for th eparent |
| 04:22.48 | Spyro_boy | setuid, cat /etc/hostname |
| 04:22.50 | Spyro_boy | ? |
| 04:22.50 | klobster | it had a line in it that set /dev/hda3 / ro , but I don't have an hda3; I think it was locking up my reboot |
| 04:23.01 | setuid | Spyro_boy, I edited that, changed the hostname, its ignored |
| 04:23.08 | Spyro_boy | strange |
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| 04:23.11 | Spyro_boy | $HOSTNAME? |
| 04:23.33 | Spyro_boy | (bash) |
| 04:23.58 | quitte | setuid: you can't. check /proc/sys/kernel/hostname |
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| 04:24.36 | setuid | ah, because /proc/ is a bind mount inside the chroot, that info will match the parent |
| 04:24.38 | setuid | drat |
| 04:25.25 | quitte | setuid: mounting it a second time won't help either. hostname is not part of the userspace |
| 04:25.34 | setuid | *nod* |
| 04:25.44 | setuid | I was hoping to get as close to an independent vm as possible with this chroot |
| 04:26.01 | setuid | The snapshot builds of our software (Plucker) works great, interactively... I'm trying to script it into an hourly cron job |
| 04:26.20 | setuid | It works fine on the 32-bit only machine, but on the 64-bit machine, using a 32-bit chroot, I can't seem to script commands inside the chroot |
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| 04:26.30 | setuid | I found this: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292010 |
| 04:26.34 | setuid | And I think schroot might do what I want |
| 04:26.38 | setuid | ...testing that out now |
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| 04:27.44 | Spyro_boy | holy crap, cdebootstrap does everything by itself! |
| 04:27.49 | Spyro_boy | That's pretty awesome. |
| 04:28.04 | setuid | What's the difference between cdebootstrap and debootstrap? |
| 04:28.10 | Spyro_boy | No idea. |
| 04:28.16 | Spyro_boy | setuid, apt-get install cdebootstrap |
| 04:28.25 | Spyro_boy | man cdebootstrap. |
| 04:28.44 | quitte | setuid: cdebootstrap is written in c. that was necessary as perl was too big for the installer |
| 04:29.00 | cast | so the functionality is identical? |
| 04:29.05 | klobster | anyone know what .fstab.swp is? |
| 04:29.05 | Spyro_boy | Er.. |
| 04:29.10 | quitte | not necessarily |
| 04:29.20 | cast | klobster: tmp file perhaps? |
| 04:29.48 | cast | klobster: whats inside it :) |
| 04:29.53 | klobster | it's 12k! |
| 04:31.10 | setuid | klobster, Its a tmp file from vi |
| 04:31.16 | setuid | someone has the file open in vi in another process |
| 04:31.19 | setuid | ps afux | grep fstab |
| 04:31.49 | Spyro_boy | x86 is the architecture I'll need for a basic 32-bit installtion, right? |
| 04:32.10 | quitte | Spyro_boy: i386 is the debian arch |
| 04:32.18 | klobster | wierd, i went to open it with vim and it made .fstab.swp.swp and right then you sais that |
| 04:32.19 | Spyro_boy | er.. right |
| 04:32.20 | Spyro_boy | thanks |
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| 04:33.26 | setuid | klobster, Right, that's correct |
| 04:33.55 | setuid | holy crap, this might have actually _worked_ |
| 04:34.25 | cast | now how does one delete all files but one in a directory? |
| 04:34.26 | Spyro_boy | -[~]# cdebootstrap --allow-unauthenticated --arch=i386 lenny lappyroot/bootstrap |
| 04:34.26 | Spyro_boy | E: target check |
| 04:34.32 | Spyro_boy | hrmm... any ideas? |
| 04:34.43 | cast | i want the shell glob for 'everything but this file' pretty much |
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| 04:35.50 | setuid | Spyro_boy, --arch i386 |
| 04:35.51 | setuid | no == |
| 04:35.55 | setuid | er, no = |
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| 04:39.01 | Spyro_boy | setuid, that's if you use the short |
| 04:39.14 | Spyro_boy | Strange |
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| 04:39.17 | Spyro_boy | It doesn't like my sshfs. |
| 04:39.25 | Spyro_boy | Oh-well, I'll just copy over after it's done. |
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| 04:39.27 | setuid | Spyro_boy, No, there's a bug there |
| 04:39.38 | Spyro_boy | setuid, well, I tried without the = |
| 04:40.18 | quitte | Spyro_boy: oh. you don'T want to run from nfs, but install to the hdd? |
| 04:40.44 | Spyro_boy | quitte, well, I wanted to debootstrap over NFS |
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| 04:40.58 | Spyro_boy | but since SSHFS is easier to use, I just used SSHFS |
| 04:41.04 | Spyro_boy | but it obviously isn't working |
| 04:41.16 | Spyro_boy | so I'm debooting to a local directory and then sending it over SSHFS. |
| 04:41.44 | quitte | Spyro_boy: you could put the debian installer in your /boot directory and run it with grub, too |
| 04:41.51 | Spyro_boy | mm.. |
| 04:42.05 | Spyro_boy | quitte, true, but I don't feel like rebooting. |
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| 04:42.18 | Spyro_boy | what I could do is setup my own repo from the ISO. |
| 04:42.23 | Spyro_boy | Atleast it'd be a lot quicker. |
| 04:42.47 | Spyro_boy | Yeah. |
| 04:42.50 | Spyro_boy | I think I will |
| 04:43.09 | Spyro_boy | Do I have to extract it from the ISO or can I mount the ISO and point it to the pool? |
| 04:43.33 | quitte | Spyro_boy: pointingto the pool should do the trick |
| 04:43.48 | setuid | You could just copy the contents of the iso to your 4G USB drive |
| 04:43.52 | setuid | and boot the thing from there |
| 04:43.57 | Spyro_boy | -[~]$ sudo cdebootstrap --allow-unauthenticated --arch=i386 --flavour=standard lenny deboot/ /media/cdrom/pool/ |
| 04:44.00 | Spyro_boy | E: invalid mirror |
| 04:44.03 | Spyro_boy | Mmm.. :/ |
| 04:44.07 | Spyro_boy | setuid, can't |
| 04:44.16 | Spyro_boy | Doesn't boot from USB. |
| 04:44.53 | setuid | How old is this machine? |
| 04:45.22 | Spyro_boy | setuid, a little newer than '95 |
| 04:45.44 | quitte | Spyro_boy: you could setup the usb lik for a install from usb ad run the vmlinux/initramfs from hdd,though |
| 04:46.03 | setuid | Spyro_boy, Why not pull the disk, put it in another machine, install Debian, put it back into the older machine and be done with it? |
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| 04:46.44 | Spyro_boy | awesome |
| 04:46.46 | Spyro_boy | It works |
| 04:46.58 | Spyro_boy | setuid, don't have lappy IDE to full IDE. |
| 04:47.02 | Spyro_boy | or whatever it's called. |
| 04:47.11 | Spyro_boy | I just setup a repo on localhost. |
| 04:47.27 | Spyro_boy | It seems to be working like a charm. |
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| 04:48.06 | Spyro_boy | Wow, this is so much faster than CD/DVD installs. |
| 04:48.13 | Spyro_boy | It's flying right through the packages. |
| 04:48.19 | ProwL | netinstall? |
| 04:48.19 | ProwL | :P |
| 04:48.23 | ProwL | pwns. |
| 04:48.31 | Spyro_boy | ProwL, debootstrap+localrepo from ISO. |
| 04:48.46 | ProwL | sweet :) |
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| 04:49.34 | klobster | can I rm /lib/udev/devices/fd if I have no floppy drive? |
| 04:50.08 | Spyro_boy | Why would it matter? |
| 04:50.09 | setuid | klobster, Why do you care? Its just a single node |
| 04:50.53 | klobster | I randomly remove things to see how they break, to learn how they work. |
| 04:50.56 | klobster | no reason, really |
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| 04:51.19 | Spyro_boy | Okay. |
| 04:51.28 | Spyro_boy | Now that I have this debootstrap ina directory |
| 04:51.33 | Spyro_boy | should I copy it over as root? |
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| 04:52.13 | quitte | Spyro_boy: modify /etc/ftb at the very least |
| 04:52.18 | quitte | fstab |
| 04:52.29 | Spyro_boy | fstab? |
| 04:52.32 | Spyro_boy | What do you mean? |
| 04:52.47 | quitte | etc/fstab. the file |
| 04:52.53 | Spyro_boy | in the deboot? |
| 04:52.56 | quitte | yes |
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| 04:53.04 | Spyro_boy | ah, Isee |
| 04:53.07 | Spyro_boy | It's empty by default |
| 04:53.25 | Spyro_boy | Makes sense. |
| 04:53.42 | maxamillion | /etc/fstab is empty by default? |
| 04:54.10 | Spyro_boy | maxamillion, debootstrap |
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| 04:54.37 | liable | grumble, i cant think of anything better to do than drink beer |
| 04:54.43 | bullgard4 | Who can tell me what the function of the kernel module vesafb is? modinfo vesafb is silent. |
| 04:54.49 | maxamillion | Spyro_boy: ah, ok ... sorry ... i should have read the whole thing |
| 04:54.55 | Spyro_boy | np |
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| 04:55.41 | nofxxxx | should I have this file on etch ? # |
| 04:55.42 | nofxxxx | # /etc/network/options to set ip_forward ? that famous echo 1 > line dosent work on debian? |
| 04:55.53 | nofxxxx | Im readin aboutdebian.com and this confused me |
| 04:55.55 | quitte | bullgard4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_framebuffer |
| 04:56.12 | liable | echo to forward does work |
| 04:56.12 | factor | I am having a problem with debian booting a sata/ata initrd.img I get the error cannot find "/sys/block/sda/dev" waiting 2 seconds then says cannot find "/sys/block/sda/sda1/dev waiting 2 sec ... does this over a period then locks with a kernel panic |
| 04:56.39 | nofxxxx | liable, but gets lost after reboot? |
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| 04:56.45 | liable | nofxxxx: yes |
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| 04:57.09 | nofxxxx | liable, so can I make this options file, to automate that issue? |
| 04:57.31 | netdaemon | er.... |
| 04:57.39 | netdaemon | i think i found something broken |
| 04:57.43 | nofxxxx | or include the line on rc.local |
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| 04:57.49 | liable | nofxxxx: i thought the options file was deprecated. I actually dont know if you can set it there or not |
| 04:58.18 | simonrvn | it is deprecated |
| 04:58.30 | nofxxxx | liable, I see.. gonna use the line on some boot script... any suggestions welcome xD |
| 04:58.36 | bullgard4 | quitte: Your link does not mention vesafb. Does there exist an indirect relationship? Which one? |
| 04:58.42 | simonrvn | it was pretty useless anyway |
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| 04:59.30 | quitte | bullgard4: vesafb is the framebuffer driver for vesa graphics card. most graphics cards are vesa compatible |
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| 04:59.54 | nofxxxx | simonrvn, ok..ty for the info |
| 05:00.09 | liable | nofxxxx: not sure what you want, but ipmasq package may suit your needs |
| 05:00.18 | simonrvn | sysctl.conf is where the action is |
| 05:00.23 | bullgard4 | quitte: Ah! Thank you very much. |
| 05:00.40 | quitte | nofxxxx: i think /etc/sysctl.conf is the right place to put it |
| 05:00.40 | liable | ipforward is in proc though insn't it? |
| 05:01.01 | quitte | nofxxxx: but iirc the sysctl docs are broken |
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| 05:01.17 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 05:01.24 | netdaemon | xfdesktop dosn't seem to be loading since i installed gdm =( |
| 05:01.52 | netdaemon | no wallpaper, no right click menu |
| 05:01.57 | netdaemon | just the panels |
| 05:02.33 | nofxxxx | hum.. yea.. there is a nice line to uncomment on sysctl... net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 |
| 05:02.42 | maxamillion | netdaemon: go into your settings menu, click "desktop", click "allow xfce to manage my desktop" and logout and click "save session for future logins" and it should be fine from there .... i don't know why it happens, but it happened to me and that fixed it |
| 05:02.50 | nofxxxx | guess it has the same effect as the the echo 1 > /proc... |
| 05:02.56 | liable | my memory strikes again |
| 05:02.56 | simonrvn | yes |
| 05:03.03 | netdaemon | maxamillion, alright thanks |
| 05:03.06 | liable | or lack of |
| 05:03.12 | Supaplex | nofxxxx: sysctl.conf, #net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 |
| 05:03.15 | simonrvn | nofxxxx: sysctl -p to reload the changes |
| 05:03.19 | maxamillion | netdaemon: np |
| 05:03.20 | Spyro_boy | mmm |
| 05:03.37 | Spyro_boy | oh, I think I got it. |
| 05:03.47 | nofxxxx | ty !!!!!! |
| 05:03.57 | Spyro_boy | SSHFS+cdebootstrap+localrepo=:D |
| 05:04.20 | Spyro_boy | The problem I was having is that I did sshfs without root and then tried to debootstrap with root |
| 05:04.26 | Spyro_boy | For some reason it was conflicting |
| 05:04.39 | Spyro_boy | so I did SSHFS as root and then it worked :) |
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| 05:05.23 | simonrvn | i wanna try fusedav when i get som free tims |
| 05:05.48 | Spyro_boy | tar: ./usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/Universal: Cannot hard link to `./usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/Zulu': Function not implemented |
| 05:05.52 | Spyro_boy | What does that mean? |
| 05:05.59 | Spyro_boy | Should I worry? |
| 05:06.42 | simonrvn | hmm, nothing major, at least not yet |
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| 05:06.51 | Spyro_boy | Mmm |
| 05:06.51 | netdaemon | gr |
| 05:06.55 | netdaemon | still not working |
| 05:06.57 | Spyro_boy | lots of hard linking errors |
| 05:07.01 | Spyro_boy | Oh-well, once I boot into it |
| 05:07.03 | netdaemon | hm |
| 05:07.08 | Spyro_boy | I'll just do reconfigure on everything |
| 05:07.13 | Spyro_boy | I'm sure that'll fix it. |
| 05:07.55 | Spyro_boy | E: Couldn't install system due to errors! |
| 05:07.56 | Spyro_boy | Crap |
| 05:08.20 | netdaemon | i checked allow it to manage desktop...saved session on logout...still no go |
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| 05:08.49 | simonrvn | damn, it did puke. sorry |
| 05:09.33 | Spyro_boy | Hehe |
| 05:09.34 | Spyro_boy | np |
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| 05:10.19 | maxamillion | netdaemon: did it work? |
| 05:10.21 | netdaemon | damn |
| 05:10.25 | netdaemon | maxamillion, no it didnt |
| 05:10.27 | Spyro_boy | I guess that's a no. |
| 05:10.28 | Spyro_boy | :P |
| 05:10.30 | maxamillion | lol |
| 05:10.33 | maxamillion | hmmm.... |
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| 05:10.48 | netdaemon | damn, i want my evil monkey wallpaper and thunar back |
| 05:10.49 | netdaemon | lol |
| 05:10.55 | maxamillion | netdaemon: you might want to check your startxfce script and/or the log files |
| 05:11.10 | Spyro_boy | cp: cannot create special file `lappyroot/bootstrap/dev/smpte0': Operation not permitted |
| 05:11.13 | Spyro_boy | mm.. |
| 05:11.18 | Spyro_boy | can't create devs.. |
| 05:11.30 | Spyro_boy | Mmmm... |
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| 05:12.00 | Spyro_boy | I might be able to dpkg-reconfigure udev to fix that |
| 05:12.01 | Spyro_boy | right? |
| 05:12.25 | quitte | some devices are needed before udev ist started |
| 05:12.58 | gpm | ja |
| 05:13.13 | Sceadwian | I typo'd when I was trying to edit the repositories in the Synaptic package manager it gave me an error message (which I didn't catch) and now I get get a list of any package that isn't already installed and the "Software Properties" app on the Desktop/Admin section won't run at all (pops up a window and closes so fast you can't see anything) |
| 05:13.34 | Sceadwian | I found a refrence to this occuring to someone else, but no fixes. |
| 05:14.19 | Spyro_boy | quitte, mm.. how can I fix that then? |
| 05:14.25 | Spyro_boy | I don't think any of the devs copied over. |
| 05:14.46 | Spyro_boy | mm |
| 05:14.48 | Spyro_boy | it copied a few. |
| 05:15.09 | Spyro_boy | some are broken links |
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| 05:16.27 | gpm | what's so hard about editing sources.list? why do we need a gui for that? |
| 05:16.47 | Sceadwian | Nothing. |
| 05:16.51 | Spyro_boy | Mmm.. |
| 05:16.54 | Spyro_boy | Wait a sec. |
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| 05:16.56 | solar_ant | (bug) in sid version apache2 --- negotiation.load is causing segmentation fault |
| 05:17.00 | Spyro_boy | omfg. |
| 05:17.02 | Spyro_boy | I'm a fool. |
| 05:17.13 | Spyro_boy | wait. |
| 05:17.17 | Spyro_boy | hrmm.. |
| 05:17.39 | netdaemon | ...it finaly loaded |
| 05:17.40 | netdaemon | hrm |
| 05:17.41 | netdaemon | wierd |
| 05:17.42 | quitte | Spyro_boy: let me guess: you broke te rootfs of slackware? |
| 05:17.55 | Spyro_boy | No. |
| 05:18.09 | netdaemon | wtf? |
| 05:18.20 | maxamillion | netdaemon: i dunno |
| 05:18.29 | maxamillion | netdaemon: but it loaded :) |
| 05:18.30 | netdaemon | thunar is taking a while to load too... |
| 05:19.00 | Spyro_boy | Why didn't debootstrap install grub? |
| 05:19.27 | maxamillion | netdaemon: su - "aptitude install htop", then run htop ... see whats taking up your resources (yes, top will to the job as well as ps aux, but htop is more functional) |
| 05:19.42 | solar_ant | should i go ahead and fle a bug in BTS ? |
| 05:20.16 | netdaemon | i don't think anything is taking up resources... |
| 05:20.17 | netdaemon | hrm |
| 05:20.43 | Spyro_boy | Mmm.. |
| 05:20.46 | Spyro_boy | I think I got it. |
| 05:21.01 | Spyro_boy | I get a bunch of LC_* and local stuff now. |
| 05:21.16 | Spyro_boy | Is that because debootstrap doesn't configure that? |
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| 05:21.33 | netdaemon | hrm |
| 05:21.45 | netdaemon | i don't see anything thats taking to teribly much |
| 05:21.50 | cast | Spyro_boy: afaik yeah |
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| 05:22.05 | maxamillion | sorry ... had to change the font in putty (i am visiting family, gotta ssh from their god forsaken windows box) |
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| 05:22.13 | netdaemon | maxamillion, you using lenny? |
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| 05:23.32 | Spyro_boy | Hrm.. no kernel, eh? |
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| 05:23.39 | Spyro_boy | Almost forgot that O_o |
| 05:23.56 | maxamillion | netdaemon: no, i run etch on my home box ..... this server i am logged into runs ubuntu-lts though (i would like to note that it wasn't my decision to put ubuntu on it) |
| 05:23.59 | netdaemon | o_O |
| 05:24.09 | netdaemon | lol |
| 05:24.13 | netdaemon | quick to note that ;) |
| 05:24.17 | maxamillion | yeah |
| 05:24.49 | netdaemon | hrm |
| 05:25.03 | maxamillion | i'm not entirely against ubuntu, i think they mean well ... but i don't think ubuntu should ever be on a server ... its not stable enough |
| 05:25.24 | netdaemon | heh |
| 05:25.34 | netdaemon | switching to weechat+screen...just a sec |
| 05:25.45 | maxamillion | weechat? |
| 05:25.52 | maxamillion | bah!! |
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| 05:26.02 | netdaemon | yep |
| 05:26.09 | netdaemon | hm |
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| 05:26.16 | netdaemon | weechat is nice :P |
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| 05:26.44 | maxamillion | meh, i can't judge it because i have never used it ... but i am practically married to irssi |
| 05:27.04 | ProwL | irssi+screen ftw. |
| 05:27.07 | gpm | there's a great gentoo-wiki thing on it |
| 05:27.11 | netdaemon | damnit |
| 05:27.11 | gpm | screen that is |
| 05:27.15 | maxamillion | i've tried time and time again, but screen just isn't entirely my cup of tea |
| 05:27.18 | gpm | if you don't like man pages (i don't, though i should) |
| 05:27.36 | maxamillion | no no, i live off man pages (my memory is squat) |
| 05:27.58 | netdaemon | now thunar wont work... |
| 05:28.08 | maxamillion | :/ |
| 05:28.17 | gpm | to each his own...tmtowtdi |
| 05:28.21 | netdaemon | mousepad won't even load |
| 05:28.31 | maxamillion | netdaemon: yeah ... something is uber wrong |
| 05:28.40 | netdaemon | indeed |
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| 05:28.52 | maxamillion | netdaemon: did you install htop and check stuffs? |
| 05:28.55 | netdaemon | yes |
| 05:28.56 | g00se | My fs has suddenly become ro - why? |
| 05:28.58 | g00se | visudo: /etc/sudoers: Read-only file system |
| 05:29.00 | netdaemon | everything looks normal there.. |
| 05:29.10 | netdaemon | i'm only using 180ish megs of memory, no swap |
| 05:29.11 | maxamillion | netdaemon: hmmm.... (side note, what'd you think of htop?) |
| 05:29.20 | netdaemon | htop is a bit cluttered |
| 05:29.33 | liable | see what your kern.log says |
| 05:29.37 | liable | g00se: ^^ |
| 05:29.40 | netdaemon | a kernel from sid wouldn't effect it would it? |
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| 05:29.43 | maxamillion | netdaemon: 180? ... i think my xfce setup idles at 105mb of ram and that's on amd_64 |
| 05:29.45 | liable | i would imagine its not good |
| 05:29.51 | netdaemon | i mean it was working fine before gdm |
| 05:30.02 | Quintin | g00se: it probably is set to remount ro on errors |
| 05:30.05 | maxamillion | netdaemon: "aptitude purge gdm" |
| 05:30.06 | netdaemon | ah |
| 05:30.06 | mizik- | Hey guys =P I am having an issue with my time, if i type in my term 'date --set 11:25:13' it changes my kde time to 5:25:13 and if i change my kde time to 11:25, it changes my date time to 5:25 =\ |
| 05:30.09 | netdaemon | yes its 105 |
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| 05:30.13 | maxamillion | netdaemon: are you running lenny? |
| 05:30.18 | netdaemon | maxamillion: yes |
| 05:30.21 | g00se | Shall i fsck it? |
| 05:30.25 | maxamillion | netdaemon: then why not try out slim? |
| 05:30.30 | maxamillion | netdaemon: i've heard really good things |
| 05:30.34 | netdaemon | stable is a bit to behind for me, this is the first time i'v had a problem with this |
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| 05:31.08 | quitte | is that flash that the very new boards for vista have usable with linux? |
| 05:31.08 | maxamillion | netdaemon: stable is normally behind for my, but etch is rather up to date and its rock solid |
| 05:31.09 | liable | g00se: read your logs first |
| 05:31.15 | gpm | have they decided what the release after lenny will be called? |
| 05:31.20 | g00se | liable: ok |
| 05:31.26 | Kevin` | quitte the flash? |
| 05:31.29 | indraveni | hi all |
| 05:31.33 | netdaemon | hrm |
| 05:31.35 | netdaemon | alright gdm purged |
| 05:31.37 | netdaemon | brb |
| 05:31.42 | rock_feng | where could I change the usbfs mount options ? |
| 05:31.44 | liable | g00se: when things are broken, look in logs, thats what they are there for |
| 05:31.47 | maxamillion | netdaemon: http://slim.berlios.de/index.php <--- slim is in the lenny repos |
| 05:31.48 | maxamillion | bah! |
| 05:31.52 | maxamillion | again ... |
| 05:31.53 | quitte | Kevin`: yes |
| 05:31.54 | indraveni | could some one please tell me, whether there are any known issues with namevirtualhost in apache 2.2.3 of debian |
| 05:32.10 | liable | indraveni: such as? |
| 05:32.11 | gpm | check the bts |
| 05:32.22 | liable | indraveni: i think i can say yes, for you. |
| 05:32.24 | Kevin` | quitte how is this flash used? |
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| 05:32.29 | indraveni | liable, oh no |
| 05:32.47 | mizik- | Anyone help me with this problem.. I am having an issue with my time, if i type in my term 'date --set 11:25:13' it changes my kde time to 5:25:13 and if i change my kde time to 11:25, it changes my date time to 5:25 =\ |
| 05:32.53 | indraveni | liable, my subdomain vhost are not being picked up |
| 05:33.01 | quitte | Kevin`: vista puts the data of the hdd in it that is most used in it to speed up booting and minimize hdd usage. |
| 05:33.04 | gpm | mizik-: why not just use ntp/ntpdate? |
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| 05:33.12 | netdaemon | ...ok it wasn't gdm |
| 05:33.18 | netdaemon | hrm |
| 05:33.32 | liable | indraveni: and apache is even getting the requests? |
| 05:33.34 | Kevin` | quitte that's interesting. is it normal direct mapped nand flash? that would be really useful for embedded work |
| 05:33.39 | quitte | with 1G of flash and some squashfs/unionfs magic i'm sure i could get my hdd usage to prettymuch 0 |
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| 05:33.41 | maxamillion | netdaemon: http://slim.berlios.de/index.php <--- slim is in the lenny repos |
| 05:33.43 | indraveni | liable, they are redirected to the default subdomain |
| 05:33.58 | maxamillion | netdaemon: http://slim.berlios.de/themes/slim-debian-moreblue.jpg <--- theme for slim so it looks "right" :) |
| 05:33.59 | quitte | Kevin`: i don't know. even forgot the name it is marketed with |
| 05:34.06 | liable | indraveni: default vhost? |
| 05:34.18 | maxamillion | netdaemon: download that theme here ---> http://slim.berlios.de/themes01.php |
| 05:34.25 | Kevin` | it's a cool feature anyway, i'd love to use the bios flash for something useful on x86 but it's always small |
| 05:34.26 | maxamillion | netdaemon: wait ... it wasn't gdm? |
| 05:34.31 | indraveni | liable, yes the one that appeared first |
| 05:34.33 | quitte | Kevin`: but if it is usable it seriously influeces my buying decision. right now im waiting for santa rosa desktop boards |
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| 05:34.49 | Kevin` | I wonder if the mobo can boot from it, I doubt they would consider that for windos |
| 05:34.55 | liable | indraveni: logs say? |
| 05:34.58 | netdaemon | maxamillion: dosn't seem to be, its purged, and i'm still having trouble |
| 05:34.58 | Supaplex | !lart power company |
| 05:35.01 | mmnicolas | wow, this is a great idea |
| 05:35.03 | indraveni | liable, there's nothing in the log |
| 05:35.04 | netdaemon | i'm wondering if it has something to do with dbus |
| 05:35.28 | indraveni | liable, my apache2 -S output is like |
| 05:35.29 | Kevin` | quitte well, i've never even heard it marketed, so it's news to me, although something I will probably look for if it works |
| 05:35.34 | quitte | Kevin`: is sata able to not spin disks up on boot? |
| 05:35.35 | Kevin` | in next computer |
| 05:35.36 | rock_feng | how to change /proc/bus/usb permission? |
| 05:35.40 | maxamillion | netdaemon: ouch |
| 05:35.56 | Supaplex | weird. dhcpd3 is using .205 when there's a .206 entry in the config. humm. |
| 05:35.58 | Kevin` | quitte the disks will always spin up I believe to load their own config data. you can spin them down whenever you want though |
| 05:36.03 | quitte | Kevin`: if it isn'T i don'T mind reading the kernel from it before shutting it back down |
| 05:36.07 | indraveni | liable, http://apache.pastebin.ca/571522 |
| 05:36.42 | Kevin` | reading the kernel from directly accessed flash you could boot in 3 seconds flat if the bios was designed right |
| 05:36.46 | indraveni | liable, here packages.bosslinux.in is the default server and thus all my subdomains are redirected to packages.bosslinux.in |
| 05:36.50 | Kevin` | which it never is |
| 05:36.51 | Kevin` | :) |
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| 05:37.07 | g00se | liable: just floppy errors - will that do it? Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 7 |
| 05:37.11 | quitte | Kevin`: linuxbios.org. but I'm sure you already know that |
| 05:37.23 | maxamillion | netdaemon: have you checked dmesg? ... or /var/log/ ? |
| 05:37.32 | liable | g00se: nope, shouldnt have anything to do with it |
| 05:37.47 | Kevin` | ya, that's another possibility, if I ever get a router it might be the mini-itx board that supports linuxbios |
| 05:38.03 | quitte | Kevin`: via epia |
| 05:38.05 | Kevin` | it could boot as fast as a well designed hardware router then. faster then cisco =p |
| 05:38.08 | Kevin` | yes that one |
| 05:38.22 | indraveni | liable, is it a bugged package? |
| 05:38.26 | g00se | liable: where will i find proof that the fs is now ro? |
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| 05:38.39 | quitte | g00se: /proc/mounts |
| 05:38.44 | liable | indraveni: they are all 001 |
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| 05:39.08 | liable | indraveni: try changing that, my vhosts dont have numbers, only default |
| 05:39.28 | megaspaz | that ain't gonna matter |
| 05:39.50 | megaspaz | Include sites-enabled/ will grab every file in that directory and process it |
| 05:40.02 | g00se | liable: Yep - there's no hda even - now just /dev2/root2 / ext3 ro 0 0 |
| 05:40.05 | Spyro_boy | yay. getting my kernel on :D |
| 05:40.05 | indraveni | liable, in the sense? |
| 05:40.05 | megaspaz | the fact that it shows up in apache2 -S means they've been processed |
| 05:40.30 | megaspaz | indraveni: filenames in sites-enabled isn't your problem |
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| 05:41.12 | syntaxx | hi question regarding lvm. if i have a system setup do i need to reinstall all of it to have lvm working? or it can be done only on 1 hard disk? |
| 05:41.42 | cast | syntaxx: you dont have to reinstall, but you do have to do a whole lot of moving migrating stuff |
| 05:41.56 | g00se | liable: Any way to remedy this without rebooting (and without knowing the original cause)? |
| 05:42.31 | liable | g00se: try mount -o remount rw / |
| 05:42.37 | indraveni | liable, how does the name of the file in sites-enabled matters |
| 05:42.53 | indraveni | liable, apache picks up everything |
| 05:43.05 | syntaxx | cast: ic so what is your recommendation? doing reinstall to not moving all of whole stuff then? |
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| 05:43.11 | megaspaz | it doesn't. it only matters in determining which vhost is going to be the default vhost |
| 05:43.14 | cast | syntaxx: ahh but if you don't have enough temporary space since you only have 1 hd things could get convoluted/tricky/not-doable i suspect |
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| 05:43.35 | megaspaz | as in apache will process/load the vhosts in filename order |
| 05:43.41 | cast | syntaxx: i'd just reinstall personally, its easier :> |
| 05:43.55 | g00se | wtf - mount: block device rw is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 05:44.00 | megaspaz | indraveni: and in your case you only have one vhost config file, so it doesn't matter one bit |
| 05:44.01 | indraveni | liable, what is the issue that you were talking about in apache 2.2.3 |
| 05:44.19 | cast | syntaxx: save all your important config files, maybe apts cache too, and your list of installed pkgs |
| 05:44.42 | Supaplex | When I have host/hardware ethernet/fixed-address decleration in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf, how do I disable these hosts from requesting an address from a range? I want the address I've setup to be the only one it will receive. |
| 05:44.46 | g00se | liable: think i could have got that command slightly wrong? |
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| 05:45.11 | netdaemon | grrrr |
| 05:45.25 | syntaxx | cast: ayt thanks a lot |
| 05:45.29 | liable | indraveni: it wasnt 2.2.3 specific, just 2.x and megaspaz seems to think its not relevant, but i have a sneaking suspicion it may be, but i dont mess with apache much once its set up, and my memory sucks |
| 05:45.36 | liable | g00se: why? |
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| 05:45.51 | cast | syntaxx: i don't like the installers automatic lvm partitioning, i like manual better, fwiw |
| 05:45.55 | netdaemon | maxamillion: what did you do again? |
| 05:46.06 | g00se | $ man mount ........... man: can't create a temporary filename: Read-only file system |
| 05:46.07 | netdaemon | just to double check |
| 05:46.24 | indraveni | liable, but the default apache is also using a file name 000-default, whcih has numbers in it |
| 05:46.30 | liable | g00se: did you try the command i gave? |
| 05:46.51 | g00se | liable: Yes. This was the result: mount: block device rw is write-protected, mounting read-only |
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| 05:47.12 | liable | indraveni: shrug, non of mine have numbers |
| 05:47.18 | liable | none even |
| 05:47.29 | g00se | liable: Actually the first result was - mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 05:47.43 | indraveni | liable, ok. let me change. but if that is the case then none of my vhost should work. how does the defautl vhost work |
| 05:47.50 | liable | g00se: paste your proc for mounts in #flood |
| 05:47.54 | g00se | So i did .............. su -c "mount -t ext3 -o remount rw /" |
| 05:48.39 | Spyro_boy | mm.. solving deps without apt is annoying :/ |
| 05:48.42 | Spyro_boy | oh-well |
| 05:48.46 | maxamillion | netdaemon: went into settings meny, click "desktop", click "allow xfce to manage my desktop", logout and select "save session for future logins" from the logout menu, then actually log out and back in |
| 05:48.49 | Supaplex | g00se: you need a , before rw |
| 05:49.07 | liable | Spyro_boy: its a good reminder not to use a rpm based distro ;) |
| 05:49.20 | Spyro_boy | Hmm? |
| 05:49.23 | liable | Supaplex: eh |
| 05:49.37 | Spyro_boy | liable, don't RPMs have dependency checks? |
| 05:49.50 | liable | Supaplex: you've never heard of dependancy hell on rpm based distros? |
| 05:49.51 | netdaemon | alright i'll try that one more time... |
| 05:49.55 | maxamillion | netdaemon: that was something that i noticed having to do with the beta's (and since the xfce version in etch is actually a 4.4.0 release candidate instead of 4.4.0 stable) |
| 05:50.02 | liable | Supaplex: they have gotten a little smarter in the last years |
| 05:50.05 | Supaplex | liable: you got your lines crossed. |
| 05:50.09 | Spyro_boy | This is taking forever .. :/ |
| 05:50.23 | maxamillion | netdaemon: bleh ... that didn't entirely make sense, but i think you get the idea |
| 05:50.25 | pramz | liable, i have yet to experience dependency hell since like redhat 6 or 7 |
| 05:50.31 | liable | Spyro_boy: it shouldn't need a , |
| 05:50.49 | cast | oh hey pidgin has a console im app...finch |
| 05:51.16 | Spyro_boy | mm |
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| 05:51.41 | liable | Supaplex: sorry, i always seem to do that when theres more than one nick starting with a letter talking at the same time |
| 05:51.46 | arooni | wheres a good place to put my user uploaded images |
| 05:51.50 | arooni | for my production server |
| 05:51.52 | Spyro_boy | There we go. I got a kernel :D |
| 05:52.04 | ProwL | :) |
| 05:52.04 | Spyro_boy | Man, debootstrap is like simplified LFS. Maybe. |
| 05:52.19 | Spyro_boy | Ultra simplified LFA. |
| 05:52.22 | cast | arooni: do you really run a production server :o. isn't the answer 'whereever you feel like it?' |
| 05:52.26 | Spyro_boy | LFS* |
| 05:52.45 | netdaemon | now its just taking forever to load.... |
| 05:52.45 | arooni | cast: well im new to running a web app... so i'm trying to learn best practices ;p |
| 05:53.10 | megaspaz | indraveni: you said you're running apache2? |
| 05:53.28 | cast | arooni: apache channel would probably be a better place to ask then |
| 05:53.32 | arooni | ah k |
| 05:53.49 | megaspaz | in the response headers |
| 05:53.54 | indraveni | megaspaz, yes |
| 05:54.05 | megaspaz | your response header says otherwise |
| 05:54.31 | g00se | Supaplex: Thanks but still not out of the wood |
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| 05:55.07 | megaspaz | indraveni: i think you're server is fscked |
| 05:55.25 | indraveni | liable, even after chanign the name without numbers, there is no use |
| 05:56.51 | megaspaz | indraveni: http://apache.pastebin.ca/571553 <-- see anything funny? |
| 05:57.17 | megaspaz | you're using easydns... |
| 05:57.23 | megaspaz | that's you're problem i'm guessing |
| 05:57.37 | megaspaz | the host information is getting lost by the time it gets "forwarded" to your server |
| 05:57.43 | liable | certainly would explain a thing or two |
| 05:57.51 | megaspaz | so apache has no choice but to use the default vhost |
| 05:58.00 | Supaplex | g00se: could you possibly be more vague? I'm no mindreader. |
| 05:58.14 | indraveni | megaspaz, so whats the solution for this? |
| 05:58.22 | megaspaz | contact easydns |
| 05:58.33 | megaspaz | i have no idea what kind of set up tools they have |
| 05:58.45 | g00se | Supaplex: It's still refusing to become rw |
| 05:58.54 | Supaplex | g00se: does it say why? |
| 05:58.57 | megaspaz | my guess is that you're using some kind of forwarding service instead of some resolution service |
| 05:59.02 | liable | g00se: thats some unusual output, paste your dmesg output |
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| 05:59.17 | g00se | liable: ok |
| 05:59.22 | indraveni | megaspaz, usually how does my dns configuration be, if I want such configuration |
| 05:59.26 | Supaplex | g00se: http://rafb.net/paste if it's more than a line or two. |
| 05:59.36 | liable | i havent ever seen /proc/mounts look like that |
| 05:59.40 | megaspaz | indraveni: i can't tell you that... i don't use those easydns services |
| 05:59.54 | g00se | supaplex: what about #flood? |
| 05:59.59 | liable | no |
| 06:00.04 | liable | too big for flood |
| 06:00.08 | g00se | ok |
| 06:00.14 | megaspaz | indraveni: but usually if you use your domain registrar, you'd set up A records of all your domains and the external ip address of your server |
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| 06:00.47 | megaspaz | indraveni: so you'd have an A record for domain.com, sub1.domain.com, sub2.domain.com, etc... all pointing to your external ip address... |
| 06:01.18 | indraveni | megaspaz, ok |
| 06:01.27 | quitte | did i miss the link for that weird fstab? |
| 06:01.32 | Supaplex | wildcard records are evil |
| 06:01.35 | megaspaz | now if you do some kind of forwarding solution instead, what usually happens is that the host information is translated to external ip address and the external ip address is sent as the host to your server... |
| 06:01.55 | megaspaz | you can use cname records as well |
| 06:01.58 | g00se | Well that sorts out the paste issue anyway. There's only one message in dmesg, repeated 225 times: |
| 06:01.59 | megaspaz | *shrugs* |
| 06:02.00 | g00se | EXT3-fs error (device hda1) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
| 06:02.07 | megaspaz | ouch |
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| 06:02.33 | liable | g00se: well, that doesnt look too good |
| 06:02.40 | g00se | LOL |
| 06:02.40 | indraveni | megaspaz, right now I have CNAME records only |
| 06:02.41 | megaspaz | indraveni: so forwarding == bad. |
| 06:02.57 | liable | g00se: touch /forcfsck and reboot |
| 06:03.14 | megaspaz | indraveni: is easydns your registrar? where you registered your domain name? |
| 06:03.18 | Supaplex | liable: on a readonly filesystem. uhhuh. |
| 06:03.29 | liable | Supaplex: *ding* |
| 06:03.33 | megaspaz | indraveni: like i said, i don't know who the fsck easydns is... |
| 06:03.38 | g00se | liable: slightly worried though as i'm in the box remotely on ssh |
| 06:03.39 | indraveni | megaspaz, yes its our registrareasydns |
| 06:03.42 | indraveni | megaspaz, yes its our registrar easydns |
| 06:04.13 | liable | g00se: try the remount as ext2 not 3, that should skip journal |
| 06:04.14 | megaspaz | indraveni: ok, but you're still using some kind of forwarding service from them |
| 06:04.26 | g00se | liable: ok |
| 06:04.31 | megaspaz | the fact that telnet says it's contacting easydns and not your server shows that |
| 06:04.33 | arooni | i create one thumbnail at the time of an image upload. is it better to have all your uploaded images and thumbnails in one directory? or better to have a directory per set of image files? |
| 06:04.53 | megaspaz | indraveni: so... fix whatever it is you've done on easydns |
| 06:04.54 | indraveni | megaspaz, present my configuration is somehting like this in DNS zone file http://apache.pastebin.ca/571568 |
| 06:05.00 | megaspaz | gah |
| 06:05.02 | megaspaz | don't show me that |
| 06:05.14 | valdyn | arooni: better for what? |
| 06:05.24 | arooni | performance? ease of management/ |
| 06:05.30 | arooni | if i decide to move to S3 later? |
| 06:05.38 | valdyn | arooni: depends on the total number of images |
| 06:05.40 | megaspaz | indraveni: like i said, it's not the resolution... you're doing some kind of forwarding |
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| 06:05.51 | arooni | they will likely be on the order of hundreds |
| 06:06.02 | valdyn | arooni: then it doesnt really matter |
| 06:06.26 | g00se | liable: mount: block device /dev/hda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 06:06.32 | indraveni | megaspaz, so, |
| 06:06.45 | indraveni | megaspaz, so shall I try using IN record as you said? |
| 06:06.52 | valdyn | arooni: thousands would make 'ls' noticable slower depending on fs / fs settings |
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| 06:07.00 | arooni | a ha |
| 06:07.03 | g00se | liable: my command was ..... su -c "mount -t ext2 -o remount,rw /dev/hda1 /" |
| 06:07.05 | arooni | sounds like that wont be an issue |
| 06:07.08 | arooni | at least for awhile |
| 06:07.19 | megaspaz | indraveni: for the 1e^1000000000000000000 time, don't use their forwarding service... |
| 06:07.20 | arooni | im not building a photo sharing app ;p |
| 06:07.31 | valdyn | arooni: grouping by some topic would make sense for management.. |
| 06:08.22 | megaspaz | indraveni: http://apache.pastebin.ca/571571 <--- this is my server. look at the connected to line... that's my ip address... the request goes directly to my machine... not my registrar |
| 06:08.22 | liable | g00se: can you paste your kern.log for the last boot? |
| 06:08.41 | liable | g00se: i think you might be a bit fucked unless you have terminal access :( |
| 06:08.42 | megaspaz | indraveni: get it? |
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| 06:08.48 | iMammal | I can't seem to get hostap prism2 driver working as an AP no matter how much I read readmes and google things. Can anybody help? |
| 06:08.48 | indraveni | megaspaz, yes |
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| 06:09.23 | towski1 | whats the package name for a binary to unzip bz2 files |
| 06:09.25 | Supaplex | iMammal: maybe the card/driver/firmware/kernel/aptools don't support it. |
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| 06:09.34 | Supaplex | !bzip2 |
| 06:09.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, bzip2 is a high-quality block-sorting file compressor, but see bz2 |
| 06:09.46 | liable | g00se: this just happened without any intervention from you at all? you didnt mess with stuff? |
| 06:10.08 | g00se | liable: yes - unless someone else did |
| 06:10.24 | valdyn | g00se: hdparm can set h/w write protection |
| 06:10.28 | Supaplex | g00se: are there any media errors/defects on the drive(s) that you're aware of? |
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| 06:10.57 | g00se | valdyn: Ah - i was using hdparm on it at one point |
| 06:11.02 | Supaplex | g00se: how much ram do you have on it? |
| 06:11.23 | g00se | 512Mb-ish |
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| 06:11.38 | liable | g00se: and what exactly did you do with hdparm? |
| 06:11.55 | valdyn | g00se: hdparm -r /dev/hda |
| 06:11.58 | Supaplex | g00se: ever hear of pivot_root? |
| 06:12.06 | iMammal | Supaplex prism2 chipset. the setup looks alot like how the readme says it should and the ssid is attachable but pings are always lost. |
| 06:12.20 | iMammal | Supaplex: prism2 chipset. the setup looks alot like how the readme says it should and the ssid is attachable but pings are always lost. |
| 06:12.40 | g00se | liable: nothing radical - just timings |
| 06:12.45 | Supaplex | iMammal: I'm no wireless expert. I just know the one card I have refuses to support ap or master modes. but I get by with ad-hoc. |
| 06:12.47 | liable | iMammal: how did you configure it? |
| 06:13.06 | g00se | Supaplex: No |
| 06:13.21 | liable | g00se: paste your kern.log |
| 06:13.39 | g00se | liable: coming up |
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| 06:14.37 | Supaplex | g00se: if you have to check your / remotely w/o local access, you could use a small rescue ramdisk (eg, on tmpfs) and pivot_root into it. all processes see the new / from where you pivot_root to. |
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| 06:16.27 | iMammal | liable: I decided not to use hostapd because of ioctl errors. I set ifconfig eth1 10.0.0.1 on prism2/hostap machine and left wifi0 alone. then on another machine I did ifconfig eth7 up ; iwlist scan ; and the default "test" essid showed up so joined it and set ifconfig eth7 10.0.0.12 on that machine but no pings go through either way. |
| 06:16.52 | g00se | Supaplex: Interesting you should say that. There are signs that a ramdisk *have* been used (see kernel log coming up). God knows why and how |
| 06:17.05 | g00se | s/have/has |
| 06:17.07 | liable | iMammal: did you set a route? |
| 06:17.07 | valdyn | g00se: what does 'hdparm -r /dev/hda' tell ? |
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| 06:18.09 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 06:18.25 | Supaplex | g00se: that's not unusualy while booting. |
| 06:18.30 | g00se | valdyn: My memory must be failing: hdparm not even installed on that box |
| 06:18.45 | iMammal | liable: by "no pings went through..." I meant from machine with ip 10.0.0.1, a ping 10.0.0.12 failed and vice-versa. The outside world is not an issue yet :| |
| 06:18.47 | liable | hah |
| 06:18.52 | raddy | Can anybody suggest me an easy tar extracting command line utility |
| 06:18.54 | g00se | Supaplex: true ;-) |
| 06:19.08 | Supaplex | raddy: the shell. |
| 06:19.08 | valdyn | realniko: tar |
| 06:19.18 | valdyn | raddy: 'tar' |
| 06:19.19 | liable | iMammal: this is adhoc? |
| 06:20.01 | raddy | valdyn: tar's command line arguements are little dificult |
| 06:20.09 | iMammal | liable: no... Master: eth1 10.0.0.1(wifi0:unspec) and Managed: eth7 10.0.0.12 |
| 06:20.20 | valdyn | raddy: not really |
| 06:20.21 | g00se | Kernel log: http://paste.debian.net/30699 |
| 06:20.36 | valdyn | raddy: tar xzf file.tar.gz |
| 06:20.43 | raddy | i want tool like, appname --extract filename |
| 06:20.46 | valdyn | raddy: tar xjf file.tar.bz2 |
| 06:20.47 | Supaplex | raddy: that's only because it's bitten by "let's add every feature known to man kind to it". but, you only usually need a few of them, in common practice. |
| 06:20.56 | valdyn | raddy: and tar xf file.tar |
| 06:21.04 | raddy | instead of gibberish commandline arguments |
| 06:21.05 | liable | iMammal: you still need routes, otherwise how does the box know which iface to send packets out of |
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| 06:21.42 | valdyn | raddy: you can write that 'appname' yourself, trivially |
| 06:21.51 | g00se | To a lesser mortal like me, that doesn't look too bad, apart from the floppy stuff |
| 06:21.58 | Supaplex | raddy: there's always shell functions, or aliases. might not be less complicated than it already is. |
| 06:22.22 | Supaplex | (that you'll have to write). otherwise, try something like ark (but that's gui) |
| 06:23.05 | raddy | valdyn: you can't expect to keep me remembered that xf, it is not everyday word, how beautiful would like this, appname unpack filename |
| 06:23.20 | g00se | liable: Supaplex: valdyn: what think ye of the log? |
| 06:23.22 | raddy | no one going to read the dcs |
| 06:23.33 | iMammal | liable: oh. i see. I've never had such a complex routing macromae on my hands before.... I always just route add default gw 'ed everything... |
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| 06:23.45 | tdn | mirrors.dotsrc.org is down. What should I use instead if I'm in Denmark? |
| 06:24.02 | Supaplex | raddy: tar --extract --bzip2 --verbose --file foo.tar.bz2 |
| 06:24.07 | liable | iMammal: man route has examples, you can set one just for that subnet |
| 06:24.13 | valdyn | raddy: x is much nicer than --extract, but feel free to use the long version |
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| 06:24.50 | valdyn | raddy: x is much nicer than --file=, but feel free to use that, works too |
| 06:24.53 | raddy | ohh i see, but can't you great tar can't understand the filetype automatically |
| 06:24.55 | iMammal | liable: the two machines are connected via crossover cable and I'm using that to set up wifi on the other,which is a headless. |
| 06:24.55 | valdyn | raddy: f is much nicer than --file=, but feel free to use that, works too |
| 06:25.25 | Supaplex | raddy: beware, that's GNUtar however. no, it has a user for a brain. |
| 06:25.29 | valdyn | raddy: true, tar is dumb |
| 06:25.33 | g00se | http://paste.debian.net/30699 |
| 06:25.50 | valdyn | raddy: apt-cache show p7zip |
| 06:25.51 | liable | iMammal: that compicates it ;) make sure wifi is on another adress range then |
| 06:25.57 | valdyn | raddy: 7z x file.tar.whatever |
| 06:26.14 | valdyn | raddy: no guarantees though, the original is safer |
| 06:26.15 | raddy | valdyn: very nice, let me try |
| 06:26.18 | liable | g00se: is that the intire output? |
| 06:26.38 | iMammal | liable: ofcourse:) I found the examples. hope its that simple... sounds promising.. |
| 06:26.41 | valdyn | g00se: why dont you install hdparm to check? |
| 06:26.50 | valdyn | g00se: is hda1 mounted elsewhere already? |
| 06:26.51 | g00se | liable: yep |
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| 06:27.07 | liable | g00se: cause that log looks fine, no errors during boot |
| 06:27.16 | Supaplex | valdyn: his / is ro, and a little brain dammaged. |
| 06:27.25 | g00se | valdyn: it *was* but disappeared and was replaced by /dev2 ... |
| 06:27.47 | valdyn | g00se: ls -l /dev/hda1 |
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| 06:28.10 | g00se | valdyn: brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 1 2005-02-26 06:38 /dev/hda1 |
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| 06:28.28 | valdyn | g00se: ok, i defenitely see the w there ) |
| 06:28.30 | g00se | (Of course i just mounted it again explicitly) |
| 06:28.54 | g00se | valdyn: yes - let me test it again |
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| 06:29.39 | valdyn | g00se: your kern.log obviously will miss the important stuff when / is ro? |
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| 06:29.49 | g00se | goose@moodle:~$ sudo visudo |
| 06:29.50 | g00se | visudo: /etc/sudoers: Read-only file system |
| 06:29.53 | valdyn | g00se: or is /var/log on a different fs? |
| 06:29.58 | liable | his /proc/mounts is quite unusual |
| 06:30.13 | liable | 13:48 < g00se> /dev2/root2 / ext3 ro 0 0 |
| 06:30.15 | iMammal | liable: brb ... |
| 06:30.29 | liable | i havent seen that before |
| 06:30.32 | liable | iMammal: k |
| 06:30.33 | Daejeo1 | i just installed the base system. i have on board lan caed .it was working during installation. now i am unable to connect with DHCP server |
| 06:30.34 | Supaplex | look like it's initrd-ish. |
| 06:30.43 | liable | Supaplex: thats what i was thinking |
| 06:30.51 | g00se | valdyn: no - /var/log is in standard place |
| 06:30.56 | Daejeo1 | caed# card |
| 06:30.56 | Supaplex | g00se: ls /boot/initrd.img-* |
| 06:31.35 | g00se | LOL /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 06:32.12 | Supaplex | ahh, still a sarge kernel |
| 06:32.19 | g00se | That's the 'right' initrd |
| 06:32.32 | liable | and a very old vunerable one at that |
| 06:32.55 | liable | g00se: where you here yesterday with this problem? |
| 06:33.46 | g00se | Supaplex: Yes. It may not surprise you guys to know that i had 'stable' in sources.list and was running apt before and after Etch withoght having changed it |
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| 06:34.36 | g00se | liable: No. Don't think so. I've got worse problems with another Etch though ;-) |
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| 06:36.01 | g00se | Shall i try to umont this? /dev2/root2 / ext3 ro 0 0 |
| 06:36.05 | liable | g00se: and that box hasnt been rebooted since the 10th? |
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| 06:37.08 | g00se | liable: i think it has, since i seem to remember powering off the wrong box (that one) ;-) |
| 06:37.43 | g00se | What is /dev2/root2 / ext3 ro 0 0 anyway? |
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| 06:38.20 | liable | g00se: so its a mongrel box atm, mixed apps from sarge/etch? do you have a dpkg.log? |
| 06:39.04 | g00se | liable: i'm afraid so and i can't think of a good way of going forward |
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| 06:39.25 | liable | g00se: does it have a dpkg log? |
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| 06:39.34 | g00se | Shall look |
| 06:39.57 | liable | g00se: it doesnt sound like its going to end well.. :P |
| 06:40.45 | g00se | liable: any way to get the log into paste without hard labour? |
| 06:41.08 | g00se | ( If you want to see it that is ;-) ) |
| 06:41.15 | liable | g00se: your sshd into it, just paste from the box your using |
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| 06:42.23 | liable | g00se: out of interest whats ls -l output for the initrd? |
| 06:43.14 | g00se | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4288512 2006-10-06 19:12 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 06:43.38 | liable | ok |
| 06:43.48 | niru | where can i get help on splash,bootsplash etc |
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| 06:43.58 | liable | at least that hasnt been remade |
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| 06:44.15 | g00se | No |
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| 06:45.38 | g00se | Actually guys, that problem could be cured with fresh Etch install. Much more important to me is to avoid the ignominy of having to install Feisty Fawn rather than Etch on another box |
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| 06:46.34 | liable | g00se: if you can reinstall without much heartache, i suggest you do so. i would like to see your dpkg.log still though |
| 06:47.17 | iMammal_ | liable: I whiped oout a Panther Mac and "test" showed up as an "Ad-Hoc" network. It connected by default but after setting tcp/ip addy manually to 10.0.0.13, pings to 10.0.0.1 still fell dead. I'm also having problems getting dhcpd workiing on hostap machine. it wants me to set a subnet for wifi0(0.0.0.0). I though I wasn't supposed to mess with wifi0... and there's more in the syslog! wow... |
| 06:47.28 | g00se | liable: yes, i'm still trying to avoid hard labour and more importantly, errors with paste ;-) |
| 06:48.08 | liable | iMammal_: whats a pnther mac? |
| 06:48.13 | g00se | Might be able to scp it |
| 06:49.04 | liable | iMammal_: you cant have dhcpd running with an adhoc connection |
| 06:49.11 | iMammal_ | liable: during startup the kernel says to syslog right after hostap_cs: Registered netdevice wifi0... pcmcia [a mac running 10.3 os X] it says: pcmcia: requst for exclusive IRQ could not be fulfilled. \n pcmcia: the driver needs updating to support shared IRQ lines. |
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| 06:50.02 | iMammal_ | liable: I don't want an ad-hoc connection! on hostap machine, iwconfig clearly says that both eth1 and wifi0 are in Master mode. |
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| 06:50.45 | liable | iMammal_: you are confusing me, you just said 'test' was ad-hoc |
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| 06:51.26 | g00se | liable: Here's the mongrel: http://paste.debian.net/30701 |
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| 06:52.57 | iMammal_ | liable: the mac said that... and so did the pocketpc running windows mobile. but iwconfig says Master on hostap machine. but the syslog is really scary. that IRQ thing and the pcmcia driver and a lot of the settings fail on wifi0 when that is being brought up. like "wifi0: Beacon interval setting to 100 failed"... and lots more failures. |
| 06:53.35 | liable | iMammal_: I havent ever had a prism card, is there a #hostap channel? |
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| 06:54.42 | g00se | liable: so is there no way to make that mongrel into a pedigree Etch? |
| 06:54.51 | g00se | (without reinstall) |
| 06:55.51 | liable | g00se: certainly, i just dont think so without console access, you cant do anything right now without a rw filesystem |
| 06:55.55 | iMammal_ | liable: and then after it a whole bunch those wifi0 setting failures it says " + wlan0: error fetching interface information: Device not found \n Ignoring unknorn interface wlan0=wlan0." that must be why it has eth1 instead of wlan0 like the hostap readme says. No, I started that one in freenode just now and I'm all alone. |
| 06:56.46 | iMammal_ | liable: I'll try googling the big pcmcia thing. |
| 06:57.22 | g00se | liable: I could try to reboot. Wouldn't be disaster if i got locked out. Of course i can't touch /forcefsck coz ro |
| 06:58.09 | liable | g00se: try it if you like, would be interested to see what it does |
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| 06:59.42 | dfranke | If I simply removed a package when I meant to purge it, is there a better way of correcting that than to reinstall it first? |
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| 07:00.03 | liable | dfranke: dpkg -P foopkg |
| 07:00.35 | g00se | Well i just su -c reboot but seemingly no interruption in ssh ..? |
| 07:01.08 | liable | magic |
| 07:01.42 | liable | if it didnt mention reboot, your ssh will prolly time out, or it didnt halt at all.. |
| 07:02.30 | g00se | liable: it's just ignoring me ;-) telinit 6 ignored too |
| 07:02.38 | dfranke | liable, thanks. |
| 07:02.46 | liable | man its freezing here atm |
| 07:03.22 | liable | g00se: this is getting fun! ;) |
| 07:03.34 | g00se | It's meant to be summer here too but isn't |
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| 07:04.27 | g00se | Is its ignoring me connected to ro? |
| 07:04.43 | liable | it shouldnt |
| 07:04.44 | dfranke | also, is there a way to get a list of packages that were pulled in as dependencies by a package that has since been removed, and are no longer required by anything else? |
| 07:05.14 | liable | dfranke: debfoster may be interesting for you |
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| 07:05.39 | liable | dfranke: aptitude is good for trcking auto installed stuff |
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| 07:08.41 | g00se | bug? http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=251156;msg=5 |
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| 07:09.19 | liable | g00se: note the date though |
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| 07:09.47 | g00se | I know. Just looking at May 2005 now |
| 07:09.59 | klobster | if I don't believe my system when it tells me a partition is ext3 (i think it's ext2) is there a way for me to prove what it really is? |
| 07:10.03 | cast | Droolio: start using aptitude instead of apt-get :) |
| 07:10.12 | dfranke | liable, meh... I really need to start actually using some of the higher-level tools. Using apt-get for everything is starting to seem like a bad habit. |
| 07:10.15 | g00se | http://tinyurl.com/ynnfh3 |
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| 07:10.48 | ArtVandalae | klobster, ext3 = ext2 + journaling |
| 07:10.52 | liable | dfranke: aptitude is the go. the ui sucks but i only use it on the cli like apt-get |
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| 07:11.41 | liable | klobster: you can mount an ext3 as ext2, you can also remove the journal with tune2fs |
| 07:12.05 | karsten | klobster: ext2/3 are interchangeable, and may be mounted either way. tune2fs -j <partition> is the only thing that "makes" it ext3. Check /proc/mounts. |
| 07:13.04 | g00se | Ah well. That box can be Etched afresh |
| 07:13.22 | liable | g00se: dont give up so easy! |
| 07:13.32 | liable | g00se: you cant get it to reboot at all? |
| 07:13.53 | g00se | Nope. Could be talking to the wall |
| 07:14.10 | liable | g00se: but it responds in all other ways? |
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| 07:14.33 | g00se | Yep. Apart from trying to write to the fs of course ;-) |
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| 07:15.51 | liable | g00se: shutdown -r now also fails? |
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| 07:16.17 | g00se | Haven't tried that yet. I *can* write to the other HD though |
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| 07:16.38 | liable | yes, but its not / so pointless |
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| 07:17.46 | klobster | thanks guys |
| 07:19.34 | g00se | su -c "shutdown -Fr 0" studiously ignored |
| 07:20.00 | valdyn | klobster: a ext3 fs is always a ext2 fs |
| 07:20.08 | valdyn | klobster: not vice versa though |
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| 07:20.26 | valdyn | klobster: so your system isnt wrong in that sense |
| 07:20.41 | davidL | how do I set which user to mount an nfs filesystem as? |
| 07:21.52 | Greyscale | !java |
| 07:21.52 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
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| 07:21.59 | liable | g00se: why do you always use su -c? |
| 07:21.59 | Greyscale | !install java |
| 07:21.59 | dpkg | well, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 07:22.13 | liable | g00se: /msg dpkg java |
| 07:22.18 | liable | Greyscale: ^^ |
| 07:22.33 | Greyscale | :P |
| 07:22.33 | Greyscale | k. |
| 07:22.50 | g00se | liable: sudoers edited as necessary |
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| 07:23.55 | boerdi | can someone help me set up dual display with matrox g550 ? please msg me |
| 07:24.28 | valdyn | dpkg: install java =~ s/sun-java5-jdk/sun-java5-jdk or sun-java6-jdk/ |
| 07:24.29 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 07:25.17 | valdyn | dpkg: install java =~ s#etch/sid#etch/lenny/sid# |
| 07:25.17 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
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| 07:25.33 | valdyn | !java-package |
| 07:25.33 | dpkg | well, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
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| 07:25.36 | g00se | liable: could something weird be going on with being sshed into two boxes at the same address on different ports as my ssh terminal to the other box was stopped just now? |
| 07:25.40 | tedivm | hey- is there a way to force a virtual package to completely reinstall itself, dependences and all? |
| 07:26.15 | valdyn | tedivm: why would you do that? |
| 07:27.05 | valdyn | tedivm: dependencies are always trees so its a little to involving to be done in reality ( approaches close to reinstalling everything ) |
| 07:27.33 | valdyn | tedivm: + you mean meta package, not virtual package |
| 07:27.36 | tedivm | i had this virtual package that killed itself because it destroyed a config file and the database wouldn't restart so the rest of the packages didn't add their database information to the database but that didn't cause them to error for some reason |
| 07:27.38 | tedivm | meta, yea |
| 07:27.41 | tedivm | sorry |
| 07:27.55 | tedivm | and the system is a pretty fresh install, and i don't care if it does reinstall everything |
| 07:28.03 | valdyn | !reinstall |
| 07:28.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 07:28.17 | liable | g00se: can you get any more messed up stuff happening if you tried? :P |
| 07:28.24 | towski1 | anyone know how to change the crontab editor |
| 07:28.27 | liable | g00se: term mix up? |
| 07:28.38 | deadcat | how do i use losetup and xine to play an .iso dvd file? so it has the menu? instead of just mplayer file.iso? |
| 07:28.42 | g00se | liable: you should see the other box ;-) |
| 07:28.50 | valdyn | g00se: not really, what you do is probasbly just a lazy firewall |
| 07:28.57 | valdyn | g00se: dropping connection due to lack of traffic |
| 07:29.10 | tedivm | so i just put all the packages into the my_packages.txt file and run that command? |
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| 07:29.23 | g00se | valdyn: yes. hostname right in both terms anyway |
| 07:29.40 | valdyn | tedivm: in whatever format that --get-selections delivers, yea |
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| 07:30.21 | valdyn | deadcat: xine can play dvd files directly too |
| 07:30.27 | liable | deadcat: mplayer doesnt do menus, vlc does, dunno if xine does |
| 07:30.29 | valdyn | deadcat: if you set the dvd device to be that file |
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| 07:30.39 | tedivm | thank you valdyn |
| 07:30.46 | deadcat | ah. thanks |
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| 07:30.53 | valdyn | deadcat: which can be done in menu or command line, no point in losetup for this |
| 07:30.55 | DavidProck1982 | i got a cd image of a movie that has a .cue & .bin, Which one would i mount, |
| 07:31.29 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: none |
| 07:31.55 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: svcds are plain mpeg burnt to cd, there's no filesystem involved, you dont mount anything, you just play the bin file |
| 07:32.15 | deadcat | valdyn: ya. cant find it in manpage. |
| 07:32.32 | DavidProck1982 | ok, it say it is a kvcd |
| 07:32.46 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: mind, im simplyfying, there's some kind of 'index' but that's irrelevant anyway, just play the bin |
| 07:32.57 | DavidProck1982 | k |
| 07:32.58 | karsten | g00se: Ever get that box rebooted? |
| 07:33.07 | karsten | deadcat: Dude! |
| 07:33.13 | deadcat | karsten: what up playa |
| 07:33.25 | karsten | deadcat: Still rockin' Concord? |
| 07:33.43 | deadcat | ya. hothothot |
| 07:33.43 | valdyn | deadcat: you have no specific command line option, you set a config var on the command line, let me check.. |
| 07:33.55 | deadcat | valdyn: thanks |
| 07:34.00 | g00se | karsten: not remotely and there *is* a problem with booting that requires mucking about even locally |
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| 07:34.20 | karsten | g00se: Any idea what that problem is? |
| 07:34.25 | g00se | (It's sl long ago i can't remember fully) |
| 07:34.35 | karsten | g00se: Note that reboot command should work the same locally or remotely. |
| 07:34.47 | g00se | karsten: oh yes |
| 07:35.03 | karsten | g00se: Typical problem is hung mounts that won't release. A reboot or telinit 6 will hang at that stage. |
| 07:35.28 | DavidProck1982 | valdyn: that dont work, i also renamed it as an avi and xine did not play it, and i have the win32codecs installed |
| 07:35.30 | g00se | karsten: i see. I'll get it rebooted locally later |
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| 07:35.32 | karsten | g00se: You've also got the force options to halt or reboot. Or you can install a watchdog. |
| 07:35.43 | karsten | g00se: OK. I've had some experience there, thought I'd ask. |
| 07:35.52 | karsten | g00se: I'm out in a few minutes, just checking in. |
| 07:36.20 | g00se | OK. Shall tell you later what my manservant did on site |
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| 07:36.29 | karsten | g00se: OK. |
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| 07:37.00 | g00se | Let's change the subject. How would you feel if you were told 'Etch won't work on that box, use Feisty Fawn instead'? |
| 07:37.06 | karsten | g00se: Some hints: use *lazy* (not forced) umount to free hung NFS mounts. Use '-f' option to reboot or halt to force reboot. |
| 07:37.28 | g00se | karsten: thanks |
| 07:37.42 | karsten | g00se: I'd be a tad curious as to the basis of that statement. "Running" is mostly a matter of kernel, not distro. |
| 07:38.11 | g00se | karsten: but you've reminded me of the fact that booting that box is dodgy altogether |
| 07:38.43 | karsten | g00se: Where specifically it's dodgey has a lot to say with what possible causes are. |
| 07:38.47 | schitzo | don't know |
| 07:38.55 | karsten | g00se: Intermittent dogeyness sounds like a HW fault. |
| 07:38.56 | g00se | karsten: yes |
| 07:38.59 | Dewi | so... how is it that java's "VIRT" column in top is a bigger number than my total physical+swap "used" amount? |
| 07:39.03 | DavidProck1982 | yo what is the commant to mount an iso, i for got, something like mount -o loop ect. |
| 07:39.54 | g00se | karsten: yes about the kernel. Had to build vmlinuz-2.6.20.1-amd64 on Etch |
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| 07:40.29 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: why the hell would you rename it to avi? |
| 07:40.35 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: its not an avi, its mpeg |
| 07:41.40 | DavidProck1982 | ok that works |
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| 07:42.21 | Greyscale | hey yetifoot |
| 07:42.39 | DavidProck1982 | just in case i renemed it, but i was thinking i would not have too, cause the Player could read the data and tell the file type, But i reakon it cant LOL |
| 07:42.52 | DavidProck1982 | valdyn ! |
| 07:42.54 | yetifoot | hi Greyscale |
| 07:43.19 | Greyscale | I know you from alternet, right? |
| 07:43.29 | yetifoot | Greyscale, no, not me |
| 07:43.33 | Greyscale | heh :P |
| 07:43.39 | Greyscale | Not from Tulsa, OK, then? |
| 07:43.49 | yetifoot | thats another IRC server right? no, i'm in england |
| 07:43.54 | Greyscale | hah :P |
| 07:43.59 | Greyscale | I'm also from england. |
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| 07:44.06 | Greyscale | <-- oxford. |
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| 07:44.29 | yetifoot | anyway got to reboot |
| 07:44.49 | liable | Greyscale: you scared him off! |
| 07:45.31 | Greyscale | D: |
| 07:45.33 | Azar | hehehe bad boi Theo started making waves again.... craving attention |
| 07:45.33 | Greyscale | ;_; |
| 07:45.33 | valdyn | deadcat: this is so fucked up |
| 07:46.03 | valdyn | deadcat: xine "cfg:/input.dvd_device:file.img" dvd:/1 |
| 07:46.28 | liable | just open vlc and point it to the dir |
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| 07:46.52 | valdyn | i cant zoom video in vlc |
| 07:47.17 | liable | like, zoom in? |
| 07:47.22 | valdyn | liable: yes |
| 07:48.01 | valdyn | liable: widescreen on a 4:3 display is just ugly.. |
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| 07:49.59 | Azar | oh my god... hahaha...it's Sunday! |
| 07:50.05 | liable | valdyn: btw, is was dovecot loading ipv6 if you remember yesterdays convo |
| 07:50.15 | tweedledee | Azar: Fathers day too |
| 07:50.21 | liable | is it? |
| 07:50.30 | valdyn | liable: yea, i do |
| 07:50.32 | Azar | and you guys miss another number of Theo |
| 07:50.38 | Azar | liable: it is |
| 07:50.45 | liable | fathers day? |
| 07:50.57 | Azar | yep... I don't have sons..yet |
| 07:51.09 | liable | s/loading/trying to load/ |
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| 07:51.30 | tweedledee | Azar: You don't have to have sons to be a father, daughters work too ;) |
| 07:51.45 | liable | heh |
| 07:51.49 | deadcat | valdyn: thanks. thats confusing |
| 07:51.54 | liable | !win tweedledee |
| 07:51.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, tweedledee! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 07:52.34 | Azar | liable: if ever bored, in need for some toilet time reading: http://kerneltrap.org/node/8387 :) |
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| 07:53.04 | Azar | uh no kids... not now |
| 07:53.13 | liable | Azar: i draw the line at taking my laptop to the toilet! :P |
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| 07:53.31 | liable | i think theo is losing the plot |
| 07:53.49 | tweedledee | If you use the chroot command in preseed/late_command do you need to exit for the installer to continue? |
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| 07:55.05 | SoulChild | does debian lenny have many bugs ? |
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| 07:55.11 | tweedledee | Would be a little easier to trouble shoot if it was not in vmware. I can't access console 4 |
| 07:55.13 | Azar | liable: theo lost his stuff long ago... we are the ones that just now see it as it is |
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| 07:55.31 | ivx | hey what would the number be to chmod a file so it can be read but not written |
| 07:55.55 | liable | by who? |
| 07:56.00 | ivx | root |
| 07:56.02 | hark | !praise Theo |
| 07:56.09 | Azar | haha |
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| 07:56.22 | ivx | who is theo |
| 07:56.45 | Azar | ivx: a man who lost his mind |
| 07:56.49 | liable | ivx: its kinda pointless trying to stop root writing to a file |
| 07:56.52 | valdyn | SoulChild: does any software not have many bugs? |
| 07:56.59 | valdyn | SoulChild: what's many? |
| 07:57.04 | liable | mine doesnt |
| 07:57.16 | Azar | SoulChild: there is a reason it is called "testing" |
| 07:57.17 | liable | because I havent written any.. |
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| 07:57.24 | ivx | well i am trying to install dupral, it says i have to change my settings file so that it can't be written to, what permissions would that be |
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| 07:57.43 | hark | ivx: founder of OpenBSD |
| 07:58.07 | valdyn | SoulChild: rest assured any big software project has at least a bug count going thousands, but debian is a _collection_ containing many huge software projects |
| 07:58.16 | hark | oh and Openssh as well |
| 07:58.27 | liable | ivx: google has lots of info lke this.. http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-tutorials-howtos-reference-material/10862-linux-file-permissions.html |
| 07:58.42 | Azar | hark: you read the mail exchange from that article too? |
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| 08:00.11 | hark | Azar: yeah, it's him as usual ;) |
| 08:00.43 | Azar | hark: one of his rabid fans are there too to support his theo-ries |
| 08:00.53 | hark | Azar: http://www.forbes.com/intelligentinfrastructure/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html |
| 08:01.23 | Azar | funny is he is attacking the other bsd sisters: the free ones |
| 08:01.43 | valdyn | hark: forbes is full of shit |
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| 08:02.45 | blahdeblah | Hi, anyone here used Xen and VMware in the same system? |
| 08:02.51 | blahdeblah | I'd like to host a few etch Xen domUs and one or two VMware Windows guests on a single etch dom0 - is that possible? |
| 08:02.58 | Azar | valdyn: the article does not do other than cite some of his gems: it looks like he tries hard to copyright Bush's speeches |
| 08:03.13 | g00se | I've just found a way of making that cloth-eared (over ssh) box respond to me. Asking it to mount an nfs share seems to have knocked it out |
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| 08:04.21 | valdyn | Azar: hey, my i8042 powers most of the keyboards worldwide, so it must be great |
| 08:06.38 | streuner | Azar: "Theo-ries" hehe |
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| 08:07.22 | streuner | hark: the problem is, they support basic stuff like the kernel, but NOT everything which is installed then... |
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| 08:08.07 | Azar | oh my god, that last comment is histerical, err historical!! hahahahahaha.. |
| 08:08.26 | Azar | hehe valdyn |
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| 08:11.09 | hark | streuner: Only two remote holes in the default install, in more than 10 years!!! ;) |
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| 08:14.54 | Azar | well it looks like is not yet all about: it seems this is Theo's raising from the closed where he stood for about two months since those acusations of stealing code... here he goes again, this time on Linus, Sun...etc etc http://www.osnews.com/story.php/18097/Theo-de-Raadt-Points-Out-Suns-Duplicity/ |
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| 08:22.19 | anapivirtua | Hi world. |
| 08:23.21 | g00se | Can i get mobo info from /proc/* ? |
| 08:23.33 | valdyn | g00se: dmidecode |
| 08:24.27 | g00se | valdyn: Thanks |
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| 08:29.33 | Arafangion | How do I change the key-hit rate of my keyboard? |
| 08:29.42 | Arafangion | It currently /never/ repeats. |
| 08:30.23 | samesame | Arafangion: bios |
| 08:30.51 | Arafangion | samesame: Wrong answer. |
| 08:31.23 | liable | !qotd131 |
| 08:31.24 | dpkg | < Raf256> wazup < Raf256> how can I change repeat rate and delay? < Raf256> in X < asg> Raf256: man xset < Raf256> asg: ok \o/ < Raf256> asg: oohh ddddaaaammnn < Raf256> ssssttuuppiiddd rrreeepppaaaattt rrrraaattee |
| 08:31.35 | Azar | liable, hark, the best reply ever on such comments hehe...almost the "debian way" http://paste.debian.net/30704 |
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| 08:31.49 | Arafangion | liable: Thanks, that's cool :) |
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| 08:32.37 | Arafangion | Hmm. Looks like it's not an x11 problem per se, but some wierd interaction with synergy. |
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| 08:34.45 | RichiH | liable: you are liable for that quote |
| 08:35.11 | liable | wasnt me! |
| 08:35.33 | RichiH | was too! |
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| 08:38.27 | Azar | :) hehe |
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| 08:45.40 | bmc | lord, save me from X based www |
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| 09:03.51 | Scurz | Good morning. |
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| 09:04.34 | nvz | heh |
| 09:04.45 | Scurz | :D |
| 09:05.23 | sanelson | A0 |
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| 09:06.53 | Scurz | lol nvz |
| 09:07.42 | sanelson | £test |
| 09:08.05 | g00se | sudo mount -t auto /dev/hda5 lvm gives mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'. Is it possible to mount in usual way, ignoring the lvm stuff? |
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| 09:08.44 | cast | wth |
| 09:08.45 | cast | if you have an lvm partition mount it with /dev/volumegroup/logicalvolume |
| 09:08.58 | cast | do not try to mount the location of the PV |
| 09:09.23 | g00se | OK but i think the lvm could be corrupt |
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| 09:09.39 | cast | and why do you think that? |
| 09:09.44 | nvz | famous last words |
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| 09:11.00 | SoulChild | Hey all ,... how do i install a tar.gz file ,... i mean how do i compile it ? (downloaded compiz 0.4) |
| 09:11.12 | SoulChild | do i need any packages ,... the gcc compiler ? |
| 09:11.15 | Ace_NoOne | hi there - a bit of an odd question: Our wiki server can be reached via SSH, but calling the website returns an "Unable to connect" |
| 09:11.21 | Ace_NoOne | anyone got a clue why that might be? |
| 09:12.00 | g00se | cast: shall answer than in minute. See #flood |
| 09:12.16 | cast | Ace_NoOne: the webserver is either not running, or dead? |
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| 09:12.39 | Ace_NoOne | cast: I can ping the domain, so you might be right |
| 09:12.41 | Ace_NoOne | odd ... |
| 09:13.02 | cast | Ace_NoOne: just restart apache and see if that fixes it :> |
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| 09:13.30 | Ace_NoOne | cast: I'm not at liberty to do that I'm afraid |
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| 09:13.59 | cast | Ace_NoOne: oh, well run netstat and see if apache is listening |
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| 09:14.44 | MalibuStacy | hi, how can i lock a file that is currently written to? i grab images from a cgi via a bash script; the script then copies the images to the wwwroot. when the image is not fully copied, the image won't be displayed in the browser |
| 09:14.49 | MalibuStacy | how can i lock them? |
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| 09:14.59 | g00se | cast: Do *you* think it looks dodgy? |
| 09:15.15 | MalibuStacy | i'll try a simple approach for now, write to buffer then copy with cp, that should speed things up a bit |
| 09:15.18 | Ace_NoOne | cast: not an expert in this - but I can't see anything like Apache in the netstat output |
| 09:16.19 | blubberdiblub | MalibuStacy: you could write them to a temporary file on the same partition and rename them to the correct file name (and location) afterwards |
| 09:16.25 | cast | Ace_NoOne: ps aux|grep apache |
| 09:16.39 | MalibuStacy | blubberdiblub: thanks, will do |
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| 09:16.56 | cast | MalibuStacy: or use permissions so they can't be read by the httpd, not sure if that will assplode your setup or not though... |
| 09:17.02 | Ace_NoOne | cast: what did that do? |
| 09:17.05 | cast | g00se: i didn't see anything :< |
| 09:17.06 | Gigantic | Wow, I am tought... |
| 09:17.09 | Ace_NoOne | no output in shell |
| 09:17.20 | cast | Ace_NoOne: it will list all running processes and grep anything called apache |
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| 09:17.35 | Ace_NoOne | oh right - well, then Apache doesn't seem to be running |
| 09:17.39 | Ace_NoOne | thanks cast |
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| 09:17.42 | g00se | cast: What about that 'Couldn't find device with uuid' stuff? |
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| 09:18.12 | cast | Ace_NoOne: netstat -ltp will list running things listening on tcp ports, btw |
| 09:18.23 | niru | unable to add openoffice to cd |
| 09:18.36 | Ace_NoOne | thanks cast |
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| 09:20.22 | cast | g00se: uhhh use pastebin and paste here or #flood, i umm never saw anything in flood |
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| 09:21.34 | g00se | Used flood again |
| 09:23.09 | cast | g00se: nfi...obvious question: did you change anything? there is #lvm btw |
| 09:24.29 | g00se | cast: The answer is yes - it's a long story. Short story is using Feisty Fawn has hosed system AFAICS |
| 09:25.32 | valdyn | g00se: figured that uuids are referenced plenty in /etc/lvm/ |
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| 09:27.12 | valdyn | SoulChild: use the compiz that is already in debian |
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| 09:28.16 | g00se | valdyn: yes but more likely in the disk, the partition of which containing /etc i can't mount |
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| 09:28.34 | valdyn | g00se: you hosed a partition table... |
| 09:28.43 | valdyn | g00se: at least i would think that most likely |
| 09:28.50 | g00se | Quite likely yes |
| 09:28.53 | valdyn | g00se: so the references in /etc/lvm can no longer work |
| 09:29.12 | g00se | valdyn: yes |
| 09:29.19 | cast | if you want we can report you as a terrorist and get the CIA to recover the data for you |
| 09:29.22 | valdyn | g00se: you need to recreate the same partition table and the same lvm setup, even with different ( new ) uuids that would be ok |
| 09:29.34 | Quintin | cast: quotable! |
| 09:29.44 | valdyn | g00se: without a backup of the table etc, that's probably not worth the effort |
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| 09:30.27 | g00se | valdyn: I wonder if i could just force remount of /etc-containing partition, ignoring that it's lvm? |
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| 09:31.02 | valdyn | g00se: if start of lvm volume and start of partition match - sure worth a try |
| 09:31.05 | Gigantic | force mount is never a good idea |
| 09:31.28 | Quintin | I think cast's idea is best |
| 09:31.29 | cast | Gigantic: sometimes the only choice is a bad idea |
| 09:31.38 | Quintin | cast: are you castamir? :p |
| 09:31.50 | Gigantic | cast :) |
| 09:32.05 | valdyn | g00se: this works perfectly fine with raid1, i just know nothing about lv layout.. |
| 09:32.59 | g00se | Is it normal for parted to report 'Partition Table: msdos' ? |
| 09:33.07 | Quintin | g00se: yes |
| 09:33.08 | valdyn | g00se: that's irrelevant |
| 09:33.16 | g00se | OK |
| 09:33.27 | tarzeau | oh how much SUN sucks: http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/one_plus_one_is_fifty#comment-1181726726000 |
| 09:33.39 | valdyn | g00se: its what's used most commonly, but you could be using anything, just the locations have to match |
| 09:34.25 | g00se | Partition tables in #flood |
| 09:34.57 | valdyn | g00se: you still have the originals? |
| 09:35.08 | blubberdiblub | valdyn, g00se: the locations won't match exactly, as every block will be shifted some numbers upward due to lvm having its superblock stuff ahead. some filesystems may be tolerant of this, others not |
| 09:35.38 | g00se | valdyn: No :-( |
| 09:35.47 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: so he'd need to shift his dos partition too |
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| 09:36.21 | valdyn | g00se: pointless endevour then till you know enough to figure partition start from the raw data on disk.. |
| 09:36.22 | blubberdiblub | he did have a dos partition on lvm? |
| 09:36.22 | g00se | I'm just so surprised this could have happened thru using Ubuntu Live CD |
| 09:36.37 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: no |
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| 09:36.50 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: his lvm setup is deleted, but the raw data on disk should be intact |
| 09:36.56 | yang | Debian conference opening live stream - http://62.75.255.124:8000/Upper_Talk_Room.ogg.m3u |
| 09:36.56 | blubberdiblub | hmm, the guesspart proggy is supposed to be able to guess partitions ... tho i would probably take it with a grain of salt |
| 09:37.01 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: ( except for the partition table ) |
| 09:37.23 | valdyn | g00se: mm, rthere's one tool, hold on |
| 09:37.33 | valdyn | g00se: use 'testdisk' |
| 09:37.46 | valdyn | testdisk - Partition scanner and disk recovery tool |
| 09:37.54 | g00se | valdyn: i did ;-) |
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| 09:39.09 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: question: can i move a partition that has a md raid on top, which again has lvm on top? |
| 09:39.24 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: or would that change the uuid or whateveR? |
| 09:39.28 | SoulChild | i need help wit cimpi tar.gz install: INSTALL says: "compiz uses automake, in order to generate the Makefiles for compiz use: $ autogen.sh" but there is no autogen.sh |
| 09:39.38 | blubberdiblub | g00se: i suggest next time you mark the partitions types used for lvm as 0x8E (lvm) or 0xFD (raid), maybe some OS are to eager about trying to restore filesystems they guess be there based on the partition types ... |
| 09:39.48 | blubberdiblub | to -> too |
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| 09:40.29 | SoulChild | What is autogen.sh ? |
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| 09:40.58 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: sure, you can move such things ... depends on exactly what you mean by "move"? with pvmove? |
| 09:41.04 | SoulChild | :( |
| 09:41.13 | cast | shogunx: makes a ./configure for you i think |
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| 09:41.14 | g00se | blubberdiblub: ok. Shall also back up tables |
| 09:41.27 | mick_home | anyone here use the MSN protocol? in Pidgin i just saw: "Claudia just sent you a Nudge!" <-- someone mind telling me wtf that is? Some weird MSN thing? |
| 09:41.44 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: i have free space between sda1 and sda3, sda2 is deleted, i want to move sda3 to start immediately after sda1 |
| 09:41.45 | chemaja | mick_home: normally it rattles and buzzes the window |
| 09:41.45 | cahoot | ask claudia |
| 09:42.06 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: sda3 is raid1 with sdb3, with lvm on the raid |
| 09:42.12 | mick_home | chemaja: ah ok |
| 09:42.29 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: so i couldnt use pvmmove.. |
| 09:43.27 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: oh, you mean you want to move the underlying partition? that's a much harder task, but possible if you have some spare space elsewhere |
| 09:43.55 | SoulChild | i need help with compiz tar.gz installation: INSTALL File says: "compiz uses automake, in order to generate the Makefiles for compiz use: $ autogen.sh" but there is no autogen.sh and what does the "$" mean ??? |
| 09:44.13 | valdyn | SoulChild: use the compiz that comes with debian |
| 09:44.14 | g00se | blubberdiblub: are you familiar with testdisk? |
| 09:44.23 | valdyn | SoulChild: you dont want to compile this yourself |
| 09:44.24 | SoulChild | valdyn: No :P |
| 09:44.33 | valdyn | SoulChild: your problem. |
| 09:44.36 | SoulChild | valdyn: why not ? |
| 09:44.45 | valdyn | SoulChild: because its pointless? |
| 09:44.55 | valdyn | SoulChild: because debian fixed upstream shortcomings? |
| 09:44.56 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: just make some pv on the spare space, join it into the vg, pvmove the stuff onto there, remove the stuff comprising sda3/sdb3, repartition, make a pv on the new partitions, join it into the group, pvmove it back |
| 09:45.06 | blubberdiblub | g00se: no, sorry |
| 09:45.07 | SoulChild | valdyn: the version in debian is 2. but i want the latest stable 4.0 |
| 09:45.32 | valdyn | SoulChild: that 'latest stable' has about no significant improvement |
| 09:45.46 | valdyn | SoulChild: beside that, debian ships the latest in sid |
| 09:45.50 | valdyn | !info compiz sid |
| 09:45.53 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.5.0.dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 09:46.12 | SoulChild | valdyn: ohhh ,... ups thank you |
| 09:46.22 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 09:46.22 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
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| 09:48.35 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: the idea is, to use pvmove as much as possible if you have lvm, even if it looks more complicated. the benefits are, you can do it with full services online with no drawbacks whatsoever except maybe a bit reduced i/o response while pvmoving, and it's much more failsafe than dd'ing it by hand ... |
| 09:49.13 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: right |
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| 09:50.47 | g00se | blubberdiblub: What's the significance of 'Couldn't find device with uuid ...' now showing in # |
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| 09:52.25 | blubberdiblub | g00se: well, probably lvm is trying to get it's parts together seeking to find the partitions it formerly knew ... but can't find them |
| 09:52.59 | g00se | Can't we say 'rescan and repair'? |
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| 09:54.38 | blubberdiblub | g00se: as far as i know, lvm depends on finding its superblock information at the start or at the end (or both) of the currently available partitions. it doesn't search through _all_ blocks |
| 09:54.42 | g00se | blubberdiblub: Or i could do pvremove then mount as ext3? |
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| 09:56.49 | blubberdiblub | g00se: you could try to manually search in the blocks, for lvm's magic numbers. lvm version 2 for instance has "LABELONE" and "LVM2" marks in its superblocks |
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| 09:57.01 | blubberdiblub | g00se: so you can find the old partition starts |
| 09:57.04 | GreaseMonkey | getting off now, gnight |
| 09:58.03 | g00se | blubberdiblub: i'd sooner return to ext3 pro tem - or does lvm need superblock info even to remove? |
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| 09:59.59 | blubberdiblub | g00se: if lvm doesn't find the volume group at all, there's nothing there that needs to be removed, if it does find some part of the old vg, you could pvremove the partition it can't find, i guess ... tho maybe you'd have to force it to ... |
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| 10:02.16 | prime9 | hallo |
| 10:02.24 | blubberdiblub | g00se: i suspect, ext2 doesn't like it's blocks not starting at the very beginning of the partition, so it probably won't mount the raw partition. but it wouldn't be a good idea anyways, as you never know how lvm spread the blocks on the pv ... |
| 10:02.32 | blubberdiblub | g00se: ext2 -> ext3 |
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| 10:03.05 | blubberdiblub | g00se: (but which one ext?fs doesn't really matter that much) |
| 10:03.37 | prime9 | does anyone know how I can check for supplied file extension in a shell script, ie if user inputs narf.tar then handle this if he only supplies narf then add .tar? |
| 10:04.12 | tarzeau | prime9: basename |
| 10:04.18 | litage | the stunnel package is version 3.26 , but apt-cache says it replaces stunnel4 which is version 4.18 . why does v3 replace v4? |
| 10:04.23 | valdyn | prime9: what if the file narf really exists? |
| 10:04.27 | tarzeau | prime9: or sed or something? |
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| 10:05.15 | qiyong | anyone help? eth0 is up and the link is ok, why i can't ping anything? |
| 10:05.29 | Greyscale | Is there any widgity things for gnome-panel that show CPU temp? |
| 10:05.38 | qiyong | mii-tool shows ok, but flow control on |
| 10:05.56 | Greyscale | qiyong, IP static or dynamic? |
| 10:06.03 | prime9 | its a simple shell script to archive some files into a tar file - however the user is supposed to give the filename |
| 10:06.04 | qiyong | Greyscale: static |
| 10:06.13 | litage | qiyong: is the network cable plugged in? is the interface's ip address on the correct network? |
| 10:06.14 | prime9 | maybe I should just ask for .tar ;) |
| 10:06.22 | xand | what have you tried pinging? |
| 10:06.23 | qiyong | Greyscale: this happens sometime with linux, but freebsd always work |
| 10:06.32 | qiyong | litage: yes, mii-tools shows ok |
| 10:06.43 | qiyong | litage: yes, all is correct |
| 10:06.48 | xand | the gateway? |
| 10:07.02 | litage | qiyong: have you tried a different cat5 cable? |
| 10:07.03 | qiyong | xand: they are on the same interface, no need for gw |
| 10:07.21 | qiyong | litage: the problem is not any hardware issue |
| 10:07.43 | qiyong | litage: i tried ifconfig and ifup and ip |
| 10:07.56 | qiyong | litage: probably that messed things up |
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| 10:08.24 | qiyong | !lartc |
| 10:08.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
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| 10:13.47 | qiyong | it even can't ping itself |
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| 10:15.23 | blubberdiblub | qiyong: does "ip link show yourinterfacename" list it as UP inside the angle brackets? |
| 10:15.46 | Overflow | hey guys.. i need some help, i managed to mount my ntfs using plain mount, but its read only.. how do i make it writable..thx |
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| 10:16.44 | cast | !tell Overflow about ntfs |
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| 10:17.09 | cast | Overflow: it is better to not use ntfs, imho |
| 10:17.17 | Overflow | i know man |
| 10:17.28 | wafflecone | I am reading a thread about how debian resolves the local systems hostname. I think that I am starting to understand the issues , but what is 127.0.1.1? is it the same as lo? is it equivalent to 127.0.0.1? |
| 10:17.29 | killaz | hi Debian. I want to go and buy an external case for my HD today. How can I be sure that it will work well under debian? |
| 10:17.39 | killaz | with other words it is recognized? |
| 10:17.44 | cast | killaz: it a usb connector? it'll work |
| 10:18.07 | killaz | USB connector yes.. |
| 10:18.23 | wafflecone | killaz USB, iee1394 and sata should all work |
| 10:18.25 | qiyong | blubberdiblub: yes, all correct as the other nic |
| 10:18.36 | qiyong | blubberdiblub: eth0 doesn't work, eth1 works |
| 10:18.42 | cast | killaz: they'll all work. unless something weird is going on, imho the only thing worth investing is speed |
| 10:18.54 | wafflecone | do fdisk -l to seee where the system puts /dev/sdx |
| 10:18.56 | killaz | cast: Ok. But why is my external HD (Lacie Ethernet MiniDisk) NAS not compatible with linux then? |
| 10:19.02 | killaz | it is not recognized.. |
| 10:19.09 | qiyong | blubberdiblub: it is UP with ifconfig or ip link |
| 10:19.21 | killaz | cast: what yo you mean speed? |
| 10:19.30 | Overflow | cast: i have dual boot, same HD, 2 partitions, windows cant load and doesnt give reason(typical) im trying to change the "boot.ini" to make a log but i dont have write permission on the ntfs |
| 10:19.32 | cast | killaz: thats ethernet, isn't it? we're talking usb storage devices here |
| 10:19.57 | wols_ | !tell Overflow about ntfs-3g |
| 10:19.58 | killaz | cast: well the funny thing is it is ethernet and USB. So you can connect it both way.. |
| 10:19.58 | blubberdiblub | qiyong: is eth0 the same card as eth1? might be a driver problem between similar drivers |
| 10:20.04 | wafflecone | killaz you should be able to see it with smbclient |
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| 10:20.08 | Overflow | i read about it |
| 10:20.11 | cast | killaz: read and write speed, is what i mean |
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| 10:20.40 | qiyong | blubberdiblub: the same card |
| 10:20.45 | qiyong | blubberdiblub: the same card type |
| 10:20.53 | wols_ | k-man__: NAS = netowrk attaqhed storage. that is not usb mass storage. different things |
| 10:20.56 | Overflow | wols: tried to install it.. got some problems with it |
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| 10:21.41 | wafflecone | wols_ what you say is absolutely true, but it should still work with smbmount shouldn't it? |
| 10:21.52 | Overflow | debian wont give me libc6 >= 2.3 |
| 10:21.52 | blubberdiblub | qiyong: and the current routing tables have entries for both cards, not just for one? "ip route show" |
| 10:22.05 | killaz | wols_: I know NAS is a differenet thing then USB but read what I'm saying... It is both!! You can connect it with ethernet (NAS) and with USB. |
| 10:22.13 | wols_ | wafflecone: mount -t smbfs. don't use smbmount. also run smbclient -L <ip> |
| 10:22.47 | blubberdiblub | qiyong: "ip route show table 255" might be interesting as well, for the loopback routing stuff |
| 10:22.53 | raboof | so if I wanted to use a low-latency kernel on Debian, would the recommended way be to roll my own or to get one from the Studio64 repository? |
| 10:22.59 | entropy | i just bought a new PC and I'm having real trouble getting the 'etch' netinst to recognise my dvd/cd drive :/ I'm getting "hda: irq timeout" and "ide: fieled opcode was: unknown" .. |
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| 10:23.01 | killaz | so the strange thing is it wont work when I connect it through USB on linux |
| 10:23.02 | wafflecone | wols_ I use smbmount and mount -t smbfs interchangeably ... bad idea? |
| 10:23.05 | wols_ | raboof: roll your own |
| 10:23.13 | qiyong | blubberdiblub: yes, route table are ok too with route -n or ip route |
| 10:23.22 | killaz | so the idea that USB will alwys work is not a good thought |
| 10:23.34 | wols_ | wafflecone: you can use smbmount, but mount is more generic |
| 10:23.59 | blubberdiblub | qiyong: and you don't have some netfilter or QoS setup that maybe blocks ICMP echo requests or replies? |
| 10:24.09 | wafflecone | killaz so fdisk -l gives you nothing new when it is plugged in? |
| 10:24.34 | wols_ | killaz: what does lsusb say? does it say mass storage or network device |
| 10:24.36 | wols_ | = |
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| 10:25.01 | qiyong | blubberdiblub: i don't have iptalbes, this is just basic setting |
| 10:25.04 | killaz | wols_: uhm I'm not near the pc right now... |
| 10:25.28 | wols_ | killaz: from what I remember with someone in here it acts as a ethernet device (yes the usb) |
| 10:25.44 | killaz | but with lsusb I can figure out if it is a mass storgae or network device |
| 10:25.49 | killaz | ohh |
| 10:26.03 | killaz | and did that guy connect to it... |
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| 10:27.13 | killaz | yes I can imagine that. Because in windows it is connected as if it is a network HD.... even if it is connected on the USB |
| 10:27.18 | blubberdiblub | qiyong: this is exceptionally strange then ... would you mind pasting your "ifconfig" and "ip route show" output to pastebin or something? |
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| 10:27.40 | qiyong | blubberdiblub: the only problem i find in ip route show table 255 is that there's local 127.0.0.0/8 line |
| 10:27.41 | wols_ | killaz: via web interface aka samba |
| 10:28.08 | blubberdiblub | qiyong: that's perfectly normal |
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| 10:28.11 | killaz | wols_ : via samba even if it is on the usb .. |
| 10:28.12 | killaz | ok |
| 10:28.42 | killaz | cast: abou that speed issue. Is USB2 not fast enough? |
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| 10:28.44 | wols_ | killaz: for it to work under samba you need drivers for the usb "NIC" afaik |
| 10:28.54 | qiyong | blubberdiblub: can you see my /msg? |
| 10:28.58 | killaz | usb NIC.... |
| 10:29.03 | killaz | let me search on that |
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| 10:29.16 | cast | killaz: usb drives don't seem to reach anywhere near max usb2 theoretical speed in my experience |
| 10:29.18 | blubberdiblub | qiyong: no, sorry |
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| 10:29.47 | wols_ | killaz: plug it in, check dmesg |
| 10:29.48 | wols_ | you will see |
| 10:29.54 | Arafangion | cast: Do /any/ drives reach anywhere near that speed? |
| 10:30.05 | wols_ | also yes, you want esata or firewire for external disks. beats usb2 |
| 10:30.14 | cast | Arafangion: drives? well i can get 70mb/s from my sata drives |
| 10:30.15 | killaz | hmm well I'm experieng problem with speed issues... |
| 10:30.26 | wols_ | Arafangion: ewll, raid5 of 15k rpm drives maybe? |
| 10:30.29 | cast | Arafangion: and they're just 7200 consumerl evel |
| 10:30.49 | qiyong | blubberdiblub: wait for 5 minutes |
| 10:30.50 | Arafangion | Any *single* drive? |
| 10:30.52 | qiyong | q/uit |
| 10:31.09 | basanta | I need to reduce my livecd font size through xorg.conf ? any idea how ? |
| 10:31.15 | assasukasse | hi everyone, maybe someone can help me, i have a computer at uni that runs calculations, is behind a nat and a firewall, i wish to access that computer from outside via ssh, in order to start and stop threads, how can i do that? |
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| 10:31.44 | killaz | when I use this Lacie device as an external HD with ethernet. It gets bugged down. The samba mount are not reachable anymore etc. So I'm hoping conncting it with USB2 will resolve this issue |
| 10:31.58 | cast | 480Mbit/s [usb2] is only 60megabytes/s so yeah..i'd say a single drive could, unless i'm confused? |
| 10:32.03 | basanta | assasukasse, open it through tcpwrapper |
| 10:32.25 | assasukasse | basanta i dont have a clue what is tcpwrapper |
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| 10:32.38 | shade11 | how could i login in debian??? there is no graphical login window |
| 10:32.52 | basanta | assasukasse, /etc/hosts.deny and hosts.allow |
| 10:32.58 | killaz | but Im reluctant.... I think I made a bad purchase here |
| 10:33.09 | killaz | this Lacie thing is very bad... |
| 10:33.22 | cast | killaz: just make sure they have a change of mind policy |
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| 10:33.24 | killaz | hopefully I can hack it and make it act as a webserver for me |
| 10:33.27 | assasukasse | basanta: are u sure? because the firewall and nat are not in the same machine and i can't change that... |
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| 10:34.02 | killaz | the funny thing is these NAS runs linux.. |
| 10:34.24 | killaz | but still they make compatibility with Linux such a problematic issue |
| 10:34.33 | assasukasse | basanta: from the machine at uni i can ssh my home machine, and it works, is there any way to make such a "reverse" ssh connection? |
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| 10:35.51 | Arafangion | assasukasse: No, not without setting up a tunnel in that ssh connection, and connecting through that. |
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| 10:36.55 | assasukasse | Arafangion: i found this http://tinyurl.com/3968wo , for sure u know more than me about ssh, do u mind to give a look? |
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| 10:37.35 | Arafangion | assasukasse: Sorry, I'm not really about to help. |
| 10:38.25 | Arafangion | assasukasse: It was a roundabout way of saying: "No, you can't do that, though it's possible if you setup a fake network over that existing ssh connection, then setup another ssh connection back through that. |
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| 10:38.42 | pyrohotdog | Can someone help me setup my Ensoniq AudioPCI card for surround sound? |
| 10:38.46 | Arafangion | assasukasse: Which would mean each machine would have an extra ip interface. |
| 10:38.55 | assasukasse | Arafangion: uhm.. |
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| 10:40.15 | killaz | one more question when installing Debian I get this error from one of my HD: |
| 10:40.20 | killaz | ide: failed opcode was : unknown. End request: I/O error, dev hdb, sector 0. dma_intr: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error} |
| 10:40.30 | killaz | do you know what for error this is |
| 10:41.00 | qrck | your cd-media is foo |
| 10:41.05 | Arafangion | killaz: It's the "Drive is messed up needs replacement although it might work for a little while longer". |
| 10:41.08 | qrck | or your cdrom is baz |
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| 10:41.19 | qrck | maybe wash the cd ? |
| 10:41.37 | qrck | or it has got scratches on the surface ? |
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| 10:41.49 | killaz | Arafangion: ok so this means I cant do nothing about it.. |
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| 10:42.11 | killaz | qrck: are you talking to me? |
| 10:42.13 | Arafangion | killaz: It means you can order a new HDD with a clean concience. |
| 10:42.20 | qrck | jup |
| 10:42.27 | qrck | i meant it fo killaz |
| 10:42.43 | qrck | cause i get that shit error on old dvd or cd media too |
| 10:42.54 | killaz | qrck: you mean my HD then... Im not talking about a CD here |
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| 10:43.00 | qrck | oh |
| 10:43.02 | qrck | hrmm |
| 10:43.04 | killaz | Arafangion: ok thnx... |
| 10:43.06 | Marenz | want to install java.. fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-6u1-linux-amd64.bin says No matching plugin was found. |
| 10:43.15 | Marenz | D: |
| 10:43.19 | Arafangion | Marenz: Java is in non-free, afaik. |
| 10:43.25 | killaz | too bad one more HD going in the bin tray |
| 10:43.33 | Arafangion | Marenz: So no need for that dance. |
| 10:43.43 | Marenz | Arafangion but the java in the repos is 32 bit |
| 10:43.56 | qrck | killaz: dma !! try it with nodma on the kernel line and reboot |
| 10:44.05 | Arafangion | Marenz: Point. |
| 10:44.06 | qrck | killaz: or noirqroute |
| 10:44.39 | wols_ | killaz: what brand is the drive? |
| 10:44.40 | qrck | one of both of them should help if not it's your hd wich is screwed or your cables or so |
| 10:44.55 | wols_ | !tell Marenz about install java |
| 10:45.15 | killaz | wols_: it's maxtor |
| 10:45.38 | Marenz | wols_ i installed the sun-java stuff from the repos and it is 32 BIT so its useless for me |
| 10:45.41 | wols_ | killaz: then go to maxtors site (well seagate rather) and download their drive checking too and let it run |
| 10:45.55 | killaz | qrck: I cant do that because it's when installing Debian that Imgetting this error.. and can't chnage the booting parameters there cant I? |
| 10:46.19 | qrck | killaz: you boot it from cd ? |
| 10:46.21 | wols_ | killaz: you can |
| 10:46.25 | qrck | yes you can |
| 10:46.28 | qrck | of course |
| 10:47.11 | killaz | wols_ok so can I just install Debian and afterward run the driver to seek ad hopefully solve the problem.. |
| 10:47.26 | killaz | qrck: yeah Imnooting from CD |
| 10:47.32 | killaz | booting* |
| 10:47.47 | killaz | it's my second HD (hdb).. |
| 10:47.49 | inf_l00p | hello all, im having problems (no mschapv2 on ppp) with pptp after an apt-get upgrade on my sid (x86) based laptop |
| 10:48.04 | qrck | F5-F7 i think is pages for hardware tuning stuff |
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| 10:48.20 | killaz | so I'm just gonna mount it as /filebox and then see if I can run the tool |
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| 10:48.27 | alex011 | hello |
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| 10:49.41 | Marenz | so no more ideas for me ? |
| 10:49.43 | Marenz | D: |
| 10:49.52 | peppo | just upgraded to latest Xorg, and now I'm getting errors about keyboard module already being loaded -- can't start X. |
| 10:50.11 | killaz | wols_aha I see |
| 10:50.11 | alex011 | you'd edit xorg.conf |
| 10:50.20 | killaz | wols_: the SeaTools you mena |
| 10:50.22 | killaz | mean* |
| 10:50.36 | alex011 | peppo |
| 10:50.49 | alex011 | how is your xorg.conf file ? |
| 10:51.23 | peppo | in short: http://senap.kicks-ass.net:8088/xorg.conf |
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| 10:52.25 | alex011 | ehm |
| 10:52.29 | peppo | if I comment out the bit Driver "keyboard", it stops working |
| 10:52.37 | alex011 | imo anything is double :S |
| 10:53.10 | peppo | huh? |
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| 10:53.39 | inf_l00p | peppo: maybe this will help /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-kbd/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 10:54.12 | peppo | inf_l00p: thanks! |
| 10:54.21 | alex011 | peppo |
| 10:54.25 | alex011 | i've got 1 idea |
| 10:54.55 | peppo | alex011: solved it |
| 10:54.58 | alex011 | why don't you boot a single user mode and then dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server |
| 10:55.00 | peppo | the keyboard driver name changed |
| 10:55.01 | alex011 | -.- |
| 10:55.03 | alex011 | how? |
| 10:55.06 | peppo | to kbd |
| 10:55.17 | alex011 | oh |
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| 10:55.20 | alex011 | lol :P |
| 10:55.22 | peppo | thanks all |
| 10:55.27 | lymeca | What command will tell me how much space a given directory and all its contents take? |
| 10:55.59 | Gathond | lymeca: du |
| 10:56.08 | alex011 | i've got a doubt |
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| 11:00.29 | killaz | wols_: running the seatool...andit already found 22 errors |
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| 11:02.26 | killaz | this means I can throw thise HD away |
| 11:03.29 | qrck | killaz: perhaps some to be corrected ? |
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| 11:05.27 | qrck | does it stay there in the bible ? |
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| 11:09.12 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a way to mount ext3 partitions readonly in Windows? |
| 11:09.46 | Alarm | that should be a #windows question |
| 11:09.48 | Alarm | :) |
| 11:09.59 | Cromag | http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm |
| 11:10.02 | Alarm | HardDisk_WP, there are applications or drivers that do that |
| 11:10.05 | Cromag | HardDisk_WP |
| 11:10.07 | Alarm | ext2ifs |
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| 11:10.32 | Alarm | explore2fs |
| 11:10.52 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 11:11.05 | HardDisk_WP | are they so stable that I can safely read? |
| 11:11.09 | yang-- | Emm metacity is a part of gnome ? |
| 11:11.43 | Cromag | it is safe to read as far as i know yes. |
| 11:11.43 | Alarm | HardDisk_WP, to read its surely safe |
| 11:11.43 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: for ext2, probably yes. |
| 11:11.45 | Alarm | to write on an ext while the kernel is not running. i dont know if its really save |
| 11:11.48 | Alarm | safe |
| 11:11.53 | HardDisk_WP | :) |
| 11:11.54 | x_link | wols_: There? |
| 11:12.05 | Alarm | but you can always have read/write and only copy from those partitions and not writing if u want to 100% sure |
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| 11:12.28 | yang-- | I mean metacity cannot be removed without leaving gnome-core broken? |
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| 11:14.42 | spheard | how do I find out what the web server useris? |
| 11:14.48 | killaz | qrck: yup. |
| 11:14.59 | qrck | you mean see ? |
| 11:15.01 | qrck | lol |
| 11:15.04 | killaz | wols_ and qrck thank you guys I think I can recover this HD.. |
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| 11:15.10 | jelly-home | !ext2fsd |
| 11:15.11 | dpkg | well, ext2fsd is a read-only ext2 file system driver for nt/2k/xp. http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/... see also http://www.fs-driver.org/ for a rw driver. |
| 11:15.36 | killaz | hheheeh maybe I can do the same for my othe HD a Western Digital... |
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| 11:15.46 | killaz | I just downloaded the tool for it too... |
| 11:15.56 | qrck | as long as it's not scratches on the surface...and even then some sectors can be used right away....those scratched being noticed and blacklisted or so |
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| 11:16.31 | killaz | qrck: yeah HD are such a strane things they are scratched even tthough they're never openend |
| 11:16.34 | killaz | opened* |
| 11:16.54 | qrck | if it's spinning and you give it a whack or so.... |
| 11:17.01 | qrck | *g* |
| 11:17.27 | killaz | qrck I never whack my things ;-) |
| 11:17.37 | qrck | killaz: just in case... |
| 11:17.39 | qrck | :) |
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| 11:18.46 | xand | spheard: ps -ef | grep apache... should be www-data? |
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| 11:19.44 | spheard | xand, it is, but I got one as root |
| 11:20.00 | killaz | hey to be sure that... I can just buy a USB PCI card and can be sure it will work in debian? |
| 11:20.12 | killaz | USB2 I mean |
| 11:20.26 | jelly-home | killaz: on a PC machine? Probably. |
| 11:20.45 | spheard | http://rafb.net/p/dCwSrQ97.html <xand |
| 11:20.51 | xand | that's fine |
| 11:21.21 | xand | because root starts it |
| 11:21.23 | dimir | Moin! |
| 11:21.33 | killaz | jelly-homeok |
| 11:21.35 | killaz | jelly-home: ok |
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| 11:22.27 | roger | hi, is there any way to prevent the gpm c&p utility from converting original TABs spaces into sequences of "standard" spaces? |
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| 11:23.10 | TrueDD | hello |
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| 11:28.19 | Laibsch | Hi, where can I find an old version of a package, say 1.6.10 for mediawiki. I think I remember there once was a server where every package ever released was archived. Can't think of the URL, though. |
| 11:29.15 | spheard | xand cheers |
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| 11:29.34 | roland_ | hi |
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| 11:30.28 | assasukasse | is there anyone who uses lightppd? |
| 11:30.32 | assasukasse | i can't configure php with it |
| 11:30.34 | assasukasse | and i dunno why |
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| 11:32.03 | g00se | So 2 boxes on same network, both file systems hosed, one *apparently* due to using Ubuntu live cd, the other without touching it apart from ssh login and running apt. Coincidence? |
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| 11:33.48 | jjp78 | DrunKen_MunKy |
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| 11:34.28 | BlackDragon42 | Hello. |
| 11:35.06 | BlackDragon42 | How is everyone |
| 11:35.08 | BlackDragon42 | ? |
| 11:35.31 | Alarm | with what command can i see if i package is installed ? |
| 11:35.43 | spheard | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:36.56 | Coweater | Alarm: dpkg -l|grep packagename |
| 11:37.03 | Alarm | ok thanks |
| 11:37.05 | Alarm | :) |
| 11:41.46 | Ronin | spheard: at least im not the only one then |
| 11:41.53 | Ronin | damn store bought mega swill beer |
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| 11:43.15 | yang-- | I mean metacity cannot be removed without leaving gnome-core broken? |
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| 11:45.27 | hark | yang--: yes, but you can remove gnome-core if you want |
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| 11:46.26 | Kmos | any debian devel here ? |
| 11:46.32 | wols_ | x_link: sorta |
| 11:46.37 | wols_ | !tell Knight_Lord about ask |
| 11:46.42 | yang-- | hark: then the gnome wouldn't work anymore |
| 11:46.54 | wols_ | killaz: that disk is dead. doN#t put any data back on it |
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| 11:47.01 | hark | or install sawfish :) |
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| 11:47.10 | hark | yang--: it's just a metapackage |
| 11:47.44 | Kmos | anyone knows the current e-mail of Florian Ragwitz ? |
| 11:48.34 | yang-- | hark: in my window managers list i see the options for gnme and metacity, that is why i wanted to remove metacity |
| 11:48.45 | hark | empath: try db.debian.org |
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| 11:48.50 | BlackDragon42 | Hello, again. |
| 11:48.54 | wols_ | Kmos: have you googled him? first hit gives me an email |
| 11:48.54 | empath | hm |
| 11:49.27 | Kmos | wols_: florian@mookooh.org ? not working |
| 11:49.33 | wols_ | no |
| 11:49.34 | g00se | What happens when a partition of type lvm containing most of the OS is removed via pvremove and then the box rebooted? |
| 11:49.39 | wols_ | a debian.org mail addy |
| 11:49.41 | Kmos | he's the maintainer of aegis-virus-scanner |
| 11:49.46 | Kmos | wols_: ha.. nice |
| 11:49.51 | Kmos | wols_: thx |
| 11:49.59 | wols_ | g00se: your PC won't boot anymore |
| 11:50.09 | wols_ | and how it refuses to work depends what you removed |
| 11:50.39 | hark | !maint aegis-virus-scanner |
| 11:50.39 | g00se | wols_: I thought as much (after i'd done it) ;- |
| 11:50.41 | dpkg | aegis-virus-scanner: Florian Ragwitz <florian@mookooh.org> |
| 11:50.46 | hark | Kmos: ^^ |
| 11:51.01 | hark | though not the debian.org one :) |
| 11:51.09 | spheard | Ronin: my brain is dribbling out of my ears |
| 11:51.22 | spheard | Ronin: and everything is broken |
| 11:51.31 | spheard | Ronin: its not fair |
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| 11:51.51 | Kmos | hark: need update :) |
| 11:51.55 | simonrvn | that you can't use apostrophes |
| 11:52.23 | g00se | wols_: The remedy? If i could stay in the initrd i could add it again ..? |
| 11:52.50 | hark | yang--: which wm do you use? |
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| 11:54.52 | g00se | wols_: actually anything i booted in would have to have lvm tools wouldn't it? |
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| 11:56.46 | wols_ | you still haven't said what you actually removed. the way to fix it, is to boot a Live CD chroot to your dbeian install and reinstall the missing stuff |
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| 11:58.06 | g00se | wols_: I didn't remove anything apart from the pv (if that's addressed to me) |
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| 11:58.58 | Enverex | Is installing the nVidia drivers from their .run file likely to result in irriparable issues or is it just not recommended because it's not quite as simple as installing the built packages? |
| 11:59.08 | g00se | wols_: i'm getting terrified of Live CDs since one hosed an install on this very box |
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| 12:02.29 | wols_ | g00se: you already have hosed your system |
| 12:02.58 | wols_ | Enverex: nothing is irrepairable that only deals in software |
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| 12:03.15 | g00se | wols_: true. The live CD would need lvm tools i suppose |
| 12:03.15 | wols_ | but we cannot exactly tell what it does since, nvidia can (and did) change it overnight sometimes |
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| 12:03.28 | Bushmills | yang, gnome is not a windows manager. gnome depends on a window manager |
| 12:03.53 | wols_ | Enverex: chances are it will work just fine with minor problems when you want to update the debian way again |
| 12:03.58 | wols_ | but there are no guarantees |
| 12:04.22 | Enverex | wols_, Ok thanks. |
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| 12:05.48 | Bushmills | g00se: maybe not the file system, but the way of determining whether the file system is intact, is the culprit |
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| 12:06.19 | blubberdiblub | g00se: as i already noted, by all means, make sure the partition types (for the partitions used by lvm) are marked as something that cannot be confused as normal partitions |
| 12:06.37 | Bushmills | g00se: if done by the same person: no, not a coincidence |
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| 12:08.30 | g00se | Bushmills: 'the way of determining whether the file system is intact' is really 'the system' - boot problems etc. |
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| 12:09.06 | Enverex | Well installation took about 2 seconds and was painless, lets just hope uninstallation or overwriting is as easy |
| 12:09.18 | Enverex | wols_, (that was to) |
| 12:09.30 | Bushmills | g00se: boot problem doesn't necessarily mean, fs shot. it can be, mbr shot, or boot manager, or or .. |
| 12:09.58 | g00se | Bushmills: Tru. my idea was to reduce complexity by reverting to non-lvm, but that doesn't seem so simple |
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| 12:10.17 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 12:10.44 | epsilon | how can I get Xth word in a line? |
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| 12:11.13 | wols_ | Enverex: usually with installs via source, removal is never as painless as installation |
| 12:11.29 | b5b | how do i mount a windows drive to back it up in debian |
| 12:11.36 | Enverex | wols_, heh, true, but surely it installs the files in the same place as the .deb does (else it wouldn't work)... |
| 12:11.54 | wols_ | b5b: what filesystem? |
| 12:11.59 | b5b | ntfs |
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| 12:12.11 | ^rob^ | is there any method to detect p2p connection on port 80? and block it? - i tought i am under syn atack but after stopping apache and starting nc -l -p80 i get: $MyNick [uk][b][Evolva]rares|$Lock EXTENDEDPROTOCOLABCABCABCABCABCABC Pk=DCPLUSPLUS0.674ABCABC| -- how can i stop this? |
| 12:12.18 | wols_ | !tell b5b about ntfs |
| 12:12.55 | wols_ | ^rob^: looks like gnutella, that uses port80 by default. do you have a dynamic IP? |
| 12:12.59 | b5b | i need to back up some data on the drive because i need to reinstall the box it is ridden with trojans |
| 12:13.11 | ^rob^ | wols_: static |
| 12:13.31 | wols_ | ^rob^: then it makes no sense |
| 12:13.40 | ^rob^ | i did not started any p2p service on the server |
| 12:13.41 | b5b | the dude has like 20000 trojans plus |
| 12:14.02 | b5b | but he wants me to save his music and pics |
| 12:14.07 | Bushmills | epsilon: .... | cut -f3 -d" " # for 3rd word |
| 12:14.18 | Enverex | b5b, Just install ntfs-3g and it's easy |
| 12:14.30 | wols_ | ^rob^: one solution is to google l7-filter (it's on sf) |
| 12:14.32 | b5b | ok thank you very much |
| 12:14.55 | wols_ | b5b: don't. simply mount the ntfs |
| 12:14.59 | epsilon | ahh cut, forgot that one |
| 12:14.59 | ^rob^ | wols_: l7 filter need kernel patch... any l7 on debian? |
| 12:15.00 | wols_ | nothing to install |
| 12:15.08 | ^rob^ | wols_: that you might know? |
| 12:15.08 | wols_ | ^rob^: no :( |
| 12:15.11 | ^rob^ | damn |
| 12:15.13 | ^rob^ | :( |
| 12:15.25 | wols_ | there are some utils I think for prevent p2p traffic explicitly but I dunno the names right now |
| 12:16.25 | ^rob^ | ipp2p is another one - but same - need kernel pathch... or iptable source. |
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| 12:21.18 | Talaturen | hi, is there any good driver for ATI graphic cards expect for fglrx (doesn't work good on a game I play)? |
| 12:21.22 | Enverex | wols_, Ammusingly seems the .run works better. I have an nVidia Settings thing in the Gnome menu now, it was missing before |
| 12:22.31 | Eulex | Talaturen, there's fglrx and the free ati driver. the free driver will get you 3d accel on r100, r200, r300 and r400 cards. |
| 12:22.50 | wols_ | Talaturen: what videochip? |
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| 12:23.18 | b5b | everrex when i tried to install ntfs-3g it said error dependency is not satisfiable libc6 |
| 12:23.19 | Quintin | !zope |
| 12:23.19 | dpkg | methinks zope is a free, Open Source application server for building high-performance, dynamic web sites. http://www.zope.org;; available with a few updated packages at deb http://debian.oftheInter.net/ codecafe/, or written in python |
| 12:23.28 | Quintin | all these buzz words |
| 12:23.51 | Talaturen | wols_, ATI Radeon X1600 |
| 12:24.10 | wols_ | Talaturen: there is only fglrx for 3d acceleration. nothing else |
| 12:24.11 | Eulex | Talaturen, fglrx is the only driver that will get you 3d acceleration. |
| 12:24.26 | wols_ | actually it's the only one with any acceleration, 2D or 3D |
| 12:24.51 | wols_ | Talaturen: what did you do and what is the error? |
| 12:25.16 | Talaturen | wols_, I got it working, but when changing floor on the game it freezes for like two seconds |
| 12:25.19 | Eulex | wols_, well, r500 2d is currently being worked on |
| 12:25.43 | Talaturen | it's a 2d game |
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| 12:25.58 | wols_ | Talaturen: what game? |
| 12:26.01 | Talaturen | Tibia |
| 12:26.26 | wols_ | how do you know it's the drivers fault? what happens if you play it under vesa? |
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| 12:26.44 | Talaturen | in vesa I get around 4fps ingame, but no freezes when changing floor. |
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| 12:27.21 | Talaturen | fglrx gives me around 100 fps ingame |
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| 12:27.53 | wols_ | I'd ask the tibia folks. maybe the problem is known |
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| 12:30.52 | ^rob^ | is there any grub option lile lilo has? append=panic=30 ??? |
| 12:31.06 | ^rob^ | to reboot next kernel on the list if pannic occur? |
| 12:32.17 | ^rob^ | nevermind - i found on google |
| 12:32.33 | ^rob^ | it's in arab - but... |
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| 12:32.37 | ^rob^ | i'll handle it |
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| 12:33.26 | EvilGuru | Does anyone know if it is possible to get just the rsvg command line app without the viewer? As currently as it stands I am going to end up with the better part of GNOME on my server |
| 12:34.23 | Quintin | !plone |
| 12:34.29 | simonrvn | download deb, unpack it into some dir somewhere with dpkg -x that.deb /that/dir |
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| 12:35.09 | rasinesh | hello everyone i am not able to get debian installed from a dvd on my laptop , it cannot find the cdrom drivers ?? any help |
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| 12:36.34 | wols_ | rasinesh: what chipset? |
| 12:36.42 | wols_ | and what debian install dvd? |
| 12:37.02 | rasinesh | the new debian testing dvd lenny and nvidia chipset |
| 12:37.20 | wols_ | install etch |
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| 12:37.37 | rasinesh | and its having an error with finding cdrom drivers for my DVDrom !! |
| 12:37.37 | wols_ | lenny installers are for debugging the installer only |
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| 12:38.12 | simonrvn | you can dist-upgrade with aptitude after you're done |
| 12:38.21 | EdLin | !d-i rasinesh |
| 12:38.22 | dpkg | rasinesh, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:38.33 | EdLin | note the *first* URL |
| 12:39.29 | rasinesh | thnq for ur time |
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| 12:39.50 | wols_ | thank you for your awesome spelling |
| 12:40.07 | ustunozgur | lol |
| 12:40.27 | Absolute0 | was anyone here able to get enemey territory to work? |
| 12:40.31 | EdLin | !lol |
| 12:40.31 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 12:40.36 | wols_ | !tell Absolute0 about anyone |
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| 12:41.28 | Absolute0 | wols_: I am trying to figure out if et works on debian... i don't know what wrong with my question... |
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| 12:43.11 | Gigantic | I do: openssl req -newkey rsa:2056 -x509 -nodes -out postfix1.pem -keyout postfix1.key -days 730 |
| 12:43.22 | Alarm | on my acer 5685WLMI i got debian stable. the problem is with the sound. i dont got any output at all. i checked first of all if the sound is muted. it wasnt . i added a song in audacious it was playing but no sound lsof /dev | grep audacious , showed me it was using the /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p . also changed on audacious from alsa, to OSS. but the problem isnt on audacious, i generaly dont have any sound .how can i check if the soundcard is recognised |
| 12:43.22 | Alarm | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.23 | Gigantic | but, don't I need a passwd? |
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| 12:46.09 | cahoot | Alarm, cat /proc/asound/pcm |
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| 12:46.42 | liable | yikes, i just managed to get mediawiki to be able to browse my entire filesystem without any permission problems :) |
| 12:47.12 | Gigantic | liable: I don't believe you, may I try? |
| 12:47.14 | Alarm | 00-02: ALC883 Digital : ALC883 Digital : playback 1 , 00-01: ALC883 Analog : ALC883 Analog : capture 2, 00-00: ALC883 Analog : ALC883 Analog : playback 1 : captur |
| 12:47.19 | Alarm | seems to have found it |
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| 12:47.36 | Alarm | but its strange... dont got any sound neither on system , videos, audio files |
| 12:47.41 | liable | Gigantic: sure |
| 12:47.43 | empath | hey guys, im in vmware station and trying to install debian 4.0 netinst, but it fails to install base system, guess some stuff is corrupt |
| 12:48.06 | cahoot | Alarm, test sound with aplay <some.wav> in a terminal |
| 12:48.08 | empath | im in the shell now, so I guess i can install it manually, or at least try to install it manually |
| 12:48.10 | simonrvn | won't find much ;) |
| 12:48.18 | Gigantic | ah... sleepy |
| 12:48.31 | empath | like cp /{usr,blabla,bla,etc,etc2} /target ? |
| 12:48.32 | Alarm | ok, hold on |
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| 12:52.44 | js_ | i have a drive with a partition that seems to have vanished, but there is still data on it.. is there anyway i can recreate the partition without losing data? |
| 12:52.59 | wols_ | empath: get anotehr CD/ISO then |
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| 12:53.21 | wols_ | js_: what did you do exactly? |
| 12:53.32 | wols_ | partitions don't just "vanish" |
| 12:54.31 | js_ | wols_: i'm not sure if anything was done, but when i connected the drive to my computer the partition was gone.. its a maxtor usb thingy |
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| 12:55.05 | wols_ | js_: what device is it on? |
| 12:55.12 | js_ | wols_: sde |
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| 12:55.35 | wols_ | and what does fdisk -l /dev/sde say? |
| 12:55.52 | js_ | wols_: that there isn't a partition table |
| 12:56.42 | wols_ | less -f /dev/sde |
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| 12:56.51 | wols_ | is there _any_ text you can read besides the gibberish? |
| 12:56.54 | Alarm | cahoot, the wav file play but i dont got any sound |
| 12:57.03 | bony | i just install apt-cacher and installed apache,php too. but i am unable to update my packages using apt-cacher it is failing all the time i try to update the packages. and also the port 3142 is not open. could some one help me on this. I even didn't find good documentation on how to install apt-cacher |
| 12:57.11 | Alarm | Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup_new.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 22050 Hz, Stereo . but no sound |
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| 12:57.22 | cahoot | Alarm, try this: invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 12:57.32 | bony | and how to make cgi work in apache? are there any good docs on howto do that in debian sid? |
| 12:57.33 | Alarm | as root ? |
| 12:57.51 | js_ | wols_: yes, i used strings /dev/sde | less earlier |
| 12:57.56 | js_ | wols_: and there is data on there that i can read |
| 12:58.12 | Alarm | or simple user |
| 12:58.21 | cahoot | as root |
| 12:58.39 | Alarm | ok , what does that command do ? to learn also :) |
| 12:58.41 | wols_ | it's not what I asked you |
| 12:58.52 | liable | bony: i fart in your general direction .. |
| 12:59.02 | Eulex | bony, I think there's a cgi-bin directory set up by default |
| 12:59.04 | liable | bony: dont use apche on sid :) |
| 12:59.08 | cahoot | Alarm, then read /etc/init.d/alsa-utils |
| 12:59.10 | wols_ | bony: apt-cache search cgi |grep apache2 |
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| 12:59.30 | bony | liable, is it bad to use apache on sid? |
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| 12:59.35 | bony | wols_, ok i will do that |
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| 12:59.47 | bony | Eulex, i will even check that too |
| 12:59.49 | liable | bony: for an internet facing box? yerp |
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| 13:02.04 | Alarm | cahoot, the file alsa-utils has plety things written , what do i need ? |
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| 13:02.21 | js_ | wols_: i did less -f now and i see things that look like a windows installation |
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| 13:02.39 | Alarm | its lots of code writen ine the alsa-utils |
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| 13:03.07 | cahoot | Alarm, it was since you asked what the file does |
| 13:03.20 | Alarm | ohh ok |
| 13:04.06 | Alarm | hmm still no sound |
| 13:04.26 | cahoot | Alarm, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
| 13:05.01 | Alarm | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.01 | Alarm | /dev/snd/controlC0: joe 3434 F.... artsd |
| 13:05.01 | Alarm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:05.15 | cahoot | Alarm, so artsd is in your way |
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| 13:05.17 | Alarm | oops, sorry, i thought i removed the lines |
| 13:05.25 | Alarm | which means ? |
| 13:05.51 | wols_ | js_: what is the first string you can read? |
| 13:05.56 | cahoot | Alarm, I'd suggest disabling artsd |
| 13:06.14 | Alarm | you mean to stop the deamon ? |
| 13:06.20 | cahoot | right |
| 13:06.23 | blubberdiblub | Alarm: or use artsplay to play sound files |
| 13:06.33 | metbsd | is there cvs for windows? |
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| 13:06.47 | js_ | wols_: "Ogiltig partitionstabell" which is swedish for "invalid partition table" |
| 13:06.51 | Alarm | if i disable artsd then whats the next step ? do i have to enable another deamon ? |
| 13:06.51 | wols_ | metbsd: yes. but this is the wrong channel to ask |
| 13:07.04 | Alarm | artsplay to play sound files? thats something i dont know how to configure it i must say |
| 13:07.04 | cahoot | Alarm, no |
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| 13:07.17 | wols_ | js_: then there is a MBR still there. do you have a hexveiewer anywhere? |
| 13:07.45 | Alarm | no what ? |
| 13:07.45 | cahoot | Alarm, test aplay again |
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| 13:07.45 | js_ | wols_: i can install one |
| 13:07.45 | wols_ | do it |
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| 13:07.49 | Alarm | let me see first where artsd is to stop it |
| 13:07.52 | cahoot | Alarm, you shouldn't really need another sound demon |
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| 13:09.02 | js_ | wols_: do you know of one? searching for 'hexedit' returns nothing |
| 13:09.06 | blubberdiblub | Alarm: arts can be switched off in the kde control center. or you could make it stop automatically if it's not being used for some time |
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| 13:09.35 | Alarm | blubberdiblub, how to stop the deamon from console |
| 13:09.49 | wols_ | js_: hexcat. hexcat /dev/sde |less |
| 13:10.01 | blubberdiblub | Alarm: you could try killing it: killall artsd |
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| 13:10.21 | Alarm | ok let me try again |
| 13:10.22 | szymon_g | hi |
| 13:10.47 | wols_ | js_: paste the output from 0000 to 0200 to a pastebin |
| 13:11.10 | Alarm | ok , no process arts running now |
| 13:11.27 | g00se | How can we tell where grub is installed? |
| 13:11.55 | szymon_g | i've got a question: in ubuntu there was a package called ntfs-config - it helped me a lot in configuration of writing/reading from/to ntfs disks/partitions... is something like that in debian etch/lenny? |
| 13:11.57 | wols_ | grub is by default installed to /boot/grub |
| 13:11.59 | Alarm | still no sound |
| 13:12.13 | wols_ | !tell szymon_g about ntfs-3g |
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| 13:13.05 | Spyro_boy | Is there a way to specify a directory to be a repo in sources.list? |
| 13:13.07 | szymon_g | wools_ : thanks, but when i've installed this program, and i've added myself into fuse group i still have no automounting of ntfs partitions in thunar |
| 13:13.20 | js_ | wols_: i found another editor, the output is at http://rafb.net/p/HSmiVC48.html |
| 13:13.26 | wols_ | szymon_g: edit your fstab |
| 13:13.44 | Alarm | even after stoping arts i dont got any sound |
| 13:14.08 | wols_ | js_: you did something. what happened there doesn#t ahppen on its own. when did you last run fdisk? |
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| 13:14.24 | wols_ | last before this problem showed up that is |
| 13:14.32 | bony | how to open a port 3142? |
| 13:14.47 | simonrvn | Spyro_boy: file:/// or file:// man sources.list |
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| 13:14.49 | wols_ | js_: you deleted your partition |
| 13:15.02 | Spyro_boy | simonrvn, yeah, I just man'd it. |
| 13:15.04 | wols_ | bony: what does netstat say? anything listening on that port? |
| 13:15.10 | troubleboy | Can somebody tell me where to edit the basic menu file for openbox in debian? |
| 13:15.11 | Alarm | something else i could try ? |
| 13:15.24 | bony | wols_, yes 127.0.0.1:3142 is there when i saw netstat |
| 13:15.33 | wols_ | js_: recreate the partition exactly like it was with fdisk. do not format or such. it should be back |
| 13:15.40 | cahoot | Alarm, you tested with aplay? |
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| 13:15.44 | Alarm | yeap |
| 13:15.46 | Alarm | no sound |
| 13:15.49 | wols_ | bony: do you have any firewall? |
| 13:15.52 | Alarm | i used different wav files |
| 13:15.54 | cahoot | Alarm, no error either? |
| 13:15.57 | Alarm | nop |
| 13:16.01 | bony | wols_, how do i check it? |
| 13:16.09 | Alarm | joe@rockpc:/usr/share/sounds$ aplay KDE_Desktop5.wav |
| 13:16.10 | Alarm | Playing WAVE 'KDE_Desktop5.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 22050 Hz, Mono |
| 13:16.16 | wols_ | bony: did you install a firewall, yes or no? |
| 13:16.23 | js_ | wols_: i see, thanks a lot.. i guess i'll have to take some changes |
| 13:16.24 | wols_ | and how did you test port 3142 for openness? |
| 13:16.24 | bony | wols_, not iptable -L is clean |
| 13:16.25 | js_ | chances* |
| 13:16.26 | cahoot | Alarm, no switch to toggle? |
| 13:16.34 | cahoot | Alarm, i e hw |
| 13:16.38 | blubberdiblub | Alarm: hmm, is the volume turned down? try alsamixer to look up the settings |
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| 13:16.55 | wols_ | bony: answer my questions please |
| 13:16.57 | Alarm | what do you mean with that ? blubberdiblub i checked from kmix, everything is un-muted and to full turned on |
| 13:17.11 | Alarm | cahoot, i honestly didnt understand what you mean with that |
| 13:17.26 | bony | wols_, no i did not install any firewall |
| 13:17.44 | cahoot | Alarm, there isn't some key/switch to press - i e a physical device |
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| 13:17.57 | wols_ | bony: I am still waiting for an answer? |
| 13:18.07 | Alarm | not as much i can see |
| 13:18.28 | Alarm | actually not at all |
| 13:18.29 | bony | wols_, i did not install any firewall like ipmaq or such softwares |
| 13:18.51 | wols_ | bony: you answered the same damn question 3 times now. do yout hink I'm retarded? |
| 13:19.01 | blubberdiblub | Alarm: does kde itself play sounds and have you already tried artsplay to play the wav? you can restart the artsd in the kde control center |
| 13:19.03 | g00se | wols_: i was thinking more of in grubspeak, i.e. (hd0,0) (hd0,1) etc |
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| 13:19.08 | simonrvn | wols_: no |
| 13:19.18 | Alarm | blubberdiblub, kde doesnt play any sounds at all, neither do players play something |
| 13:19.26 | wols_ | simonrvn: thank you. I wasn't really sure what you thought |
| 13:19.29 | simonrvn | and thatnk you for spelling it right |
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| 13:19.32 | simonrvn | thank* |
| 13:19.44 | bony | wols_, what i am trying to do is that i installed apt-cacher and apt-cacher listens on port 3142 but when i say nmap localhost i cant see this port |
| 13:20.01 | blubberdiblub | Alarm: hmm, are the correct drivers/modules for your sound card installed and are they configured properly? |
| 13:20.09 | wols_ | that's your own fault using nmap for teting local, non common ports |
| 13:20.14 | Alarm | cahoot, as for the volume setting for the volume, there are 2 buttons to increase decrease sound. but i pressed many times to increase the volume |
| 13:20.35 | wols_ | bony: you shouldn't use nmap if you don't know how and when to use it |
| 13:20.37 | Alarm | blubberdiblub, if they would be correctly installed, would i be here finding for a solution ? :) |
| 13:20.40 | wols_ | telnet localhost 3142 |
| 13:20.49 | bony | wols_, ok i won't use it |
| 13:20.52 | wols_ | and you never ever use nmap for localhost |
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| 13:21.05 | bony | wols_, ok ok i wont! |
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| 13:21.15 | cahoot | Alarm, ok - alsa is else aplay would have protested |
| 13:21.19 | wols_ | so does the port connect? |
| 13:21.22 | blubberdiblub | Alarm: well, the modules can be setup correctly and still there may be no sound, due to various possibilities |
| 13:21.25 | cahoot | Alarm, ok - alsa is running else aplay would have protested |
| 13:21.36 | Alarm | maybe the volume is turned down from , and debian doesnt recognise the volume up/down buttons of the laptop |
| 13:21.52 | wols_ | Alarm: what does amixer say? |
| 13:22.13 | Alarm | amixer says a lot under console :) |
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| 13:22.50 | bony | wols_, no when i gave the command telnet localhost:3142 it said could not resolve localhost:3142/telnet... |
| 13:22.58 | Alarm | maybe its what i mentioned. some kind of drivers for the laptop functions |
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| 13:23.03 | bony | wols_, Name or service not known |
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| 13:23.05 | wols_ | bony: learn to read |
| 13:23.09 | Alarm | or kind of package that recognises those function keys |
| 13:23.14 | assasukasse | hi everyone |
| 13:23.25 | bony | wols_, well i am poor at English sorry for that |
| 13:23.26 | assasukasse | someone can explain me what is the typical use of cryptcat |
| 13:23.30 | wols_ | it better not be known. running in.telnetd is even more stupid than running nmap on localhost |
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| 13:23.48 | wols_ | bony: your english has nothing to do with the ability to read |
| 13:24.11 | simonrvn | bony: not :3142 but " 3142" |
| 13:24.11 | wols_ | I did not say telnet localhost:3142, did I? |
| 13:24.12 | cahoot | Alarm, the soundcard uses snd-hda-intel - not? |
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| 13:24.15 | bony | wols_, simonrvn, ok i will try that |
| 13:24.24 | Alarm | i dont know that |
| 13:24.30 | wols_ | Alarm: lspci |
| 13:24.37 | bony | wols_, simonrvn it said Connection refused |
| 13:25.10 | Alarm | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 13:25.30 | [waqjan] | how do I play mp3? |
| 13:25.31 | cahoot | Alarm, that's a driver that is under rather heavy development - lots of people have (had) problems with that driver |
| 13:25.46 | wols_ | !mp3 |
| 13:25.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
| 13:25.53 | Alarm | cool:) |
| 13:26.07 | Alarm | could this be the problem ? |
| 13:26.10 | wols_ | [waqjan]: install an mp3 player |
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| 13:26.34 | cahoot | Alarm, the later alsa version the beter chance it works |
| 13:26.35 | wols_ | Alarm: what kernel? etch default? |
| 13:26.46 | Alarm | yes |
| 13:26.51 | Alarm | wols_, yes i meant |
| 13:27.09 | wols_ | ich7 has been around since some time now, not as if it was ich8 or 9 |
| 13:27.21 | [waqjan] | wols_, I asked dpkg first. |
| 13:27.23 | Alarm | cahoot, that means i will have to go to testing and try my luck ? |
| 13:27.31 | [waqjan] | what mp3 player should I get? |
| 13:27.33 | cahoot | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.user/26832/match=82801g |
| 13:27.48 | wols_ | [waqjan]: apt-cache search mp3. take your pick |
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| 13:28.07 | spheard | does that mean I can use mp3 in the UK for free? |
| 13:28.35 | wols_ | spheard: yes. and there is also a open source exemption |
| 13:28.40 | Alarm | i see i am not the only one |
| 13:28.48 | cahoot | Alarm, got a headset to test? |
| 13:29.06 | Alarm | yes, i did plug speakers, but no result |
| 13:29.21 | spheard | wols_:nice |
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| 13:30.03 | Alarm | do u think going to testing would make any difference ? |
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| 13:37.22 | reber | hi |
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| 13:37.40 | reber | can i install debian on /dev/hdc with an empty and not formated /dev/hda ? |
| 13:37.52 | dvs | reber: sure |
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| 13:38.08 | reber | dvs, depends on bios i presume ? |
| 13:38.50 | dvs | reber: well, you can do one of two things: put something on the MBR of /dev/hda or have the BIOS boot directly from /dev/hdc |
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| 13:41.18 | wols_ | reber: if you want to install windows later on /dev/hda, install it first, before debian |
| 13:42.12 | reber | winwhat ? |
| 13:42.44 | dvs | reber: are you going to install something on /dev/hda? |
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| 13:42.56 | reber | yes, gentoo, later |
| 13:43.25 | dvs | reber: how much later? |
| 13:43.44 | reber | 3 months |
| 13:44.01 | dvs | reber: you can have gentoo start debian after you install gentoo |
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| 13:44.45 | liable | you had better start compiling now if you want a working gentoo install in three months ;) |
| 13:44.57 | dvs | heh |
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| 13:52.40 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:52.40 | dpkg | methinks qotd91 is <tarmath> I've got 2 incredibly easy questions! Anyone can answer, and thus feel better that they could be of help to someone! |
| 13:53.03 | liable | where is the punchline? |
| 13:53.45 | dvs | dunno |
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| 13:55.19 | Asad2005 | what apps to install/configure to send mail from command line to gmail.com |
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| 13:55.40 | liable | mutt |
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| 13:56.50 | Asad2005 | liable, i tried mailx and it did not give error but gmail side no message |
| 13:57.26 | asg | Asad2005: you probably need to configure your machines MTA correctly. dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config (unless you installed another one) |
| 13:57.40 | wols_ | Asad2005: wht debian release? |
| 13:57.47 | wols_ | *what |
| 13:58.36 | Asad2005 | wols_, 4.0 latest release |
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| 13:59.46 | tide33 | if I'm looking for the netinst iso for a PIII, I should grab the i386 version no? |
| 13:59.55 | asg | tide33: yes |
| 13:59.57 | tide33 | k |
| 13:59.59 | tide33 | thanks |
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| 14:00.19 | reber | liable, heh, i gave you the trick for joke ;) |
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| 14:10.46 | assasukasse | hi everyone, how can i set up a crond rule to check that a ssh tunnell is on and if not restore it? |
| 14:10.54 | assasukasse | i can tell it to start the tunnell |
| 14:11.05 | assasukasse | but how to check if is already on? |
| 14:11.32 | ledet | netstat perhaps? |
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| 14:13.17 | assasukasse | ledet: what is the command..i should write a script...that respawn the tunnel if it comes down |
| 14:13.52 | ledet | assasukasse: the command is "netstat" |
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| 14:16.10 | blubberdiblub | assasukasse: you might also try the package autossh |
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| 14:19.33 | row- | Where can I find the xen patches for debian so I can compile my own 2.6.18 xen kernel without pae? |
| 14:19.45 | assasukasse | blubberdiblub: thanks let me give a look |
| 14:19.50 | assasukasse | what about hamachi? |
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| 14:24.19 | zoran | В± |
| 14:25.13 | zoran | ВІ |
| 14:25.31 | liable | zoran: english |
| 14:26.07 | zoran | sorry man, i try to do something with bitchX |
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| 14:31.12 | qrck | on what kind of memory does a forking dpkg depend ? |
| 14:31.34 | qrck | i don't have swap part. |
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| 14:31.41 | qrck | no shared mem |
| 14:31.59 | qrck | but system has 125 megs |
| 14:32.07 | wols_ | simply on RAM |
| 14:32.12 | wols_ | run "free" |
| 14:32.16 | qrck | i did |
| 14:32.40 | qrck | no shared mem but 125 megs for system |
| 14:33.19 | asg | qrck: you could use a swapfile in a pinch if you are getting oom errors |
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| 14:33.40 | qrck | so why does it tell me there is no main memory left ???? |
| 14:33.50 | qrck | i ont geti |
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| 14:34.58 | qrck | *crunches* |
| 14:36.20 | qrck | hrmm |
| 14:36.21 | qrck | ok |
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| 14:42.55 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 14:42.57 | Mazingaro | fixed! |
| 14:43.02 | morteng | hi u2 |
| 14:43.20 | g00se | If grub can't distinguish SCSI from IDE, what happens when you have /dev/sda1 *and* /dev/hda1 ? |
| 14:43.46 | morteng | can apache derby easily be installed on debian etch 32 bit or 64 bit, please? |
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| 14:43.59 | wols_ | g00se: bios decides |
| 14:44.10 | wols_ | grub only knows BIOS drives, nothing else |
| 14:44.28 | h3sp4wn | g00se: You can use the device.map to work out what grub will think |
| 14:45.02 | g00se | wols_: So if you want to boot from one or the other at the grub prompt, what to do? |
| 14:45.29 | wols_ | you edit your menuц.lst properly |
| 14:45.33 | wols_ | *menu.lst |
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| 14:47.42 | g00se | wols_: but you can fully command grub, surely without reference to menu.lst? |
| 14:47.45 | h3sp4wn | g00se: You can use map (hd0) (hd1) to swap the drives around - and you can load a config file from whatever |
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| 14:48.22 | g00se | h3sp4wn: (hd1) /dev/sda |
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| 14:48.32 | h3sp4wn | g00se: configfile (hd0,0)/boot/grub/otherlist |
| 14:48.52 | h3sp4wn | g00se: There is loads of stuff you can do but mostly you shouldn't need to |
| 14:49.35 | blubberdiblub | g00se: (hd1,0) would be for partition /dev/sda1 then (yeah, grub counts starting from 0) |
| 14:49.39 | wols_ | g00se: you can |
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| 14:50.11 | g00se | h3sp4wn: suspect some Windozw in mbr so am trying to reboot remotely and bypass that (it's starting an XP recovery) |
| 14:50.24 | wols_ | g00se: but it would get tedious the type in what kernelt o laod everytime.which is why we use menu.lst |
| 14:50.43 | g00se | wols_: Yes, thanks (see above) |
| 14:51.10 | g00se | I need to diagnose what's happening with this 'XP recovery' |
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| 14:52.09 | g00se | As when i call reboot remotely, xp recovery starts |
| 14:52.29 | Janni | Hello. I'm quite new to debian (switched from FreeBSD, yesterday). It works great! |
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| 14:52.49 | g00se | If i'm right, i'll install grub in mbr |
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| 14:53.08 | dylan_ | is there any way i can install gnu/linux via my USB flash drive? it is 2gb large and can easily fit ubuntu on it. |
| 14:53.11 | Janni | Only one quick question: In order to enable sound output, do I have to install some ALSA package, or load some ALSA module? |
| 14:53.41 | h3sp4wn | g00se: Is the menu.lst setup using hd1 or hd0 ? |
| 14:53.57 | Janni | dylan_: Have a look at the debian installation manual. Your case is covered, AFAIK. |
| 14:54.15 | dylan_ | Janni, thanks :) |
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| 14:54.54 | g00se | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.02 | tarzeau | can someone help me finish a puzzle game? http://www.aceinternet.co.uk/~mokona/ i'm at 85%, 15 levels left. my savegame is at http://gnu.ethz.ch/save1.dat |
| 14:55.03 | h3sp4wn | g00se: You can just do root (hd1) setup (hd1) and set the bios to boot from that drive if you want |
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| 14:56.11 | g00se | h3sp4wn: yes, but i'd like to confirm first what's happening with xp recovery |
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| 14:57.47 | GhostlyDeath | How do I increase the "This drive has been mounted x times without being checked, check forced."? |
| 14:58.00 | blubberdiblub | g00se: as soon as grub is in the MBR and the menu.lst is configured correctly, XP won't start up all by itself |
| 14:58.07 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: man tune2fs |
| 14:58.08 | dbug | hmm |
| 14:58.10 | g00se | IOW, need to know what's happening. If i call reboot (system command), presumably it will use (hd1,0) but why is something else happening (xp recov)? |
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| 14:58.27 | dbug | We need more seeders on the cd1 torrent [lenny] |
| 14:59.03 | blubberdiblub | g00se: probably the XP boot code is in the MBR right now, and it accesses its XP partition, which you have installed somewhere ... i assume |
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| 14:59.16 | Janni | So, once again: cat /dev/sndstat gives me s.th. like "installed drivers: ALSA emulation; Card config: $MYSOUNDCARD; Audio devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG; ...; Mixers: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG". What do I have to do in order to enable sound? |
| 14:59.36 | Janni | Anyone can give me a hint? Just one keyword? |
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| 14:59.54 | wols_ | !tell Janni about alsa one-liner |
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| 15:00.35 | Janni | thx |
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| 15:00.43 | g00se | blubberdiblub: Yes. So should i be able to bypass that by root (hd1,0) && reboot ? |
| 15:01.01 | wols_ | why rebooting? |
| 15:01.18 | Honeyman | Hi all. Did anyone here try to set up Etch on Intel 965+ICH8R, and did anyone suffered/managed the problem with non-visible SATA DVD-ROM drive? |
| 15:01.32 | killaz | hi wat is the benefit or disadvantage of LVM? |
| 15:01.33 | g00se | wols_: testing what's happening |
| 15:01.39 | blubberdiblub | g00se: you would have to install grub into (hd0) or (hd1) respectively (depends on which drive the BIOS tries to boot from), in order to overwrite the offending MBR |
| 15:01.49 | killaz | in other words why should I bother installing it. |
| 15:02.09 | g00se | Honeyman: Etch doesn't support SATA fully |
| 15:02.41 | Enverex | Wow, I knew Etch was old but... not supporting SATA properly? damn |
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| 15:03.11 | wamty | why might the encrypted file systems in /etc/crypttab not getting created when i boot my computer? |
| 15:03.43 | Honeyman | g00se: well, but it boots from SATA HDD. What's the problem with the SATA DVD? |
| 15:04.17 | g00se | blubberdiblub: the bios probably booting with hd1 as that's where the xp recovery stuff is |
| 15:04.55 | g00se | Honeyman: note the word 'fully' |
| 15:04.55 | wols_ | Honeyman: is the sata dvd recognized by the kernel? |
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| 15:04.58 | bolt | Anyone here who happens to know where ISPConfig's config file is located? I misspelled my domain upon installation, and now I can't access ISPConfig through my browser. |
| 15:05.13 | blubberdiblub | g00se: okay, then install it into (hd1) :) like h3sp4wn already said: setup (hd1) |
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| 15:05.27 | Honeyman | wols_: that's what I am trying to find out. I don't see and /dev/sd* devices related for it. |
| 15:05.29 | imgrey | good day #debian |
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| 15:05.37 | g00se | Enverex: if it's any consolation certain WIndoze SATA probs only fixed in Vista |
| 15:05.39 | wols_ | Honeyman: dmesg |
| 15:05.55 | imgrey | have someone tried to setup proftpd with postgresql authentication ? |
| 15:05.56 | wols_ | bolt: ispconfig is not in debian.how should we know wher it puts ifs config files? |
| 15:06.14 | dbug | bleh i love debian |
| 15:06.15 | Honeyman | wols_: dmesg shows nothing related to DVD-ROM at all. |
| 15:06.22 | wols_ | !tell imgrey about anyone |
| 15:06.31 | wols_ | !kmuto |
| 15:06.31 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 15:06.45 | wols_ | use that (2.6.2x krenel) |
| 15:06.50 | bolt | wols_: I wondered if anyone happened to know. There's no #ispconfig channel, and I thought someone here might know. ispconfig is not in debian, but I would think that a few of the users here have used it still. |
| 15:06.56 | imgrey | i have the following configuration : http://paste.debian.net/30726 |
| 15:07.01 | imgrey | where """{sha1}W/H9kn37hnlJai5s8Ay+UMHIcUU=""" is openssl generated hash |
| 15:07.05 | imgrey | just as described in documentation : /bin/echo "{sha1}"`/bin/echo -n "password" | openssl dgst -binary -sha1 | openssl enc -base64` |
| 15:07.11 | stoned | good |
| 15:07.12 | bolt | wols_: and I'm running it on a debian system, so.. |
| 15:07.18 | stoned | mornin |
| 15:07.26 | imgrey | why proftpd dont want to authenticate users ? |
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| 15:08.03 | h3sp4wn | g00se: I have no interest in XP whatsoever |
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| 15:08.14 | g00se | blubberdiblub: OK but can i prove the concept by command line root(hd1) first? |
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| 15:08.36 | wols_ | g00se: do you get a grub menu or prompt? |
| 15:08.48 | g00se | h3sp4wn: That makes 2 of us ;-) |
| 15:09.03 | Honeyman | g00se, wols_ : any hints on kernel version/options/whatever what may help? |
| 15:09.07 | imgrey | is someone interested in my proftpd logs ? |
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| 15:09.13 | wols_ | Honeyman: yes, I already told you |
| 15:09.33 | wols_ | imgrey: #proftpd possibly |
| 15:09.42 | imgrey | wols_, there is silence |
| 15:09.54 | blubberdiblub | g00se: you mean you want to try booting before overwriting the MBR? you would have to get into grub anyways ... maybe via boot disc or boot cd |
| 15:09.58 | g00se | Honeyman: i used 2.6.20 on Etch and that cured a lot of ills |
| 15:10.26 | Honeyman | Good idea. I'll try to set up 2.6.21 or something... |
| 15:10.50 | g00se | blubberdiblub: Yes. But i can go into the grub prompt at the command line can't i? |
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| 15:11.20 | blubberdiblub | g00se: you mean when already in the up and running debian? but you can't actually boot there ... |
| 15:11.30 | wols_ | g00se: not if grub won't run |
| 15:11.53 | g00se | blubberdiblub: I do mean that, yes. But i can *re*boot using grub can't i? |
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| 15:12.22 | wols_ | g00se: no |
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| 15:12.39 | blubberdiblub | g00se: while in the bootloader-grub, yes, but while in the shell-grub, no |
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| 15:12.42 | dacs | !lost and found |
| 15:12.49 | dererk | It's 11 years since BUZZ, Debian 1.1 was realesed |
| 15:12.51 | dererk | jun 17 Debian GNU/Linux 1.1 alias ``buzz'' released, 1996 |
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| 15:12.55 | cast_ | ok, here's a tricky one. list every dir that *doesn't contain a .m3u |
| 15:13.05 | dererk | Nothing has changed since then, eh? :P |
| 15:13.12 | smagy2 | hello folks does anybody know what cups driver works for HP OfficeJet Pro L7680 printer ? would appreciate some help |
| 15:13.18 | g00se | Why does the shell grub have the command 'reboot' then i wonder? |
| 15:13.30 | wols_ | smagy2: linuxprinting.org |
| 15:13.36 | blubberdiblub | g00se: to be compatible, i guess ;) |
| 15:13.37 | cast_ | g00se: does it reboot the box? |
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| 15:13.57 | g00se | cast_: haven't tried yet |
| 15:14.02 | dacs | what is the folder "lost and found" , what does it do? |
| 15:14.18 | cast_ | oh...you're running it in debian, was thinking boot hit e |
| 15:14.27 | g00se | Another complication(?) i'm sitting at the client end of ssh |
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| 15:15.16 | smagy2 | wols_:thanks |
| 15:15.24 | wols_ | dacs: it's where lost files from an fsck run end up |
| 15:15.38 | qrck | right now does dpkg run without flaws, i did a swap partition |
| 15:16.16 | blubberdiblub | g00se: yeah ... so why not just overwrite the MBR? ... but you're right, you can check if the commands in the menu.lst would _theorhetically_ work out with typing the commands in the shell-grub |
| 15:17.31 | g00se | Just tried what's in #flood |
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| 15:21.30 | dacs | wols_: is it of anyuse? |
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| 15:22.57 | qrck | gah lost so much time cause of it ughh |
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| 15:23.10 | qrck | just a simple swap |
| 15:23.12 | qrck | grrrr |
| 15:23.31 | wols_ | dacs: yes. no you cannot delte it |
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| 15:23.47 | romudog | Anyone try out Alien Arena 2007 yet? |
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| 15:23.51 | qrck | and enouf was telling i should install lenny...lol |
| 15:24.19 | qrck | in the end i had to reinstall all, it was not due to the sources.list entry though |
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| 15:27.42 | enouf | qrck: i never said you should instal lennyyou twit |
| 15:27.51 | govtrust | flash in swiftfox freezes computer and I have to reboot. |
| 15:27.53 | qrck | ah there he is |
| 15:28.05 | qrck | you were hiding behind the trees eh |
| 15:28.10 | qrck | you did |
| 15:28.12 | qrck | oh yes |
| 15:28.22 | enouf | qrck: yes .. sharpening my spear |
| 15:28.26 | qrck | you told me i have to add lenny to my sources.list |
| 15:28.34 | Enverex | Are there any big plans for Debian in the pipes at the moment? |
| 15:28.37 | enouf | qrck: you're high and stoned |
| 15:28.42 | enouf | and sniffing glue |
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| 15:29.06 | qrck | i wouldn't deny, but, i mean though by natural means and not overdozed... |
| 15:29.19 | qrck | *slurps* |
| 15:29.31 | qrck | gaaaaaah |
| 15:29.35 | qrck | *coffee* |
| 15:29.57 | enouf | i don't have time right now for this nonsense .. just do not appear and say i said to do something, when i have said NO SUCH THING please .. |
| 15:30.19 | Enverex | enouf said I should muder Santa |
| 15:30.23 | qrck | nah shall i grub the irc logs or what ? |
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| 15:30.26 | qrck | lol |
| 15:31.21 | enouf | qrck: pleaese do .. for i will stomp you more, if you don't provide any proof.. |
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| 15:31.37 | qrck | enouf: forget it |
| 15:31.44 | enouf | Santa? .. maybe i said that .. |
| 15:32.02 | qrck | at least i know now i don't have to trust you |
| 15:32.06 | qrck | *g* |
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| 15:32.39 | light_ | my apache .conf files are missing, how can i fix it? [or, my httpd.conf is blank. or, my "website folder" isn't "/var/www/", and httpd.conf doesn't have "DocumentRoot"] |
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| 15:33.58 | zophy | will debian run on the iphone ? |
| 15:34.32 | Enverex | People really shouldn't support Apple :/ Tis a dangerous line to cross. |
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| 15:38.18 | killaz | qrck: damn this Lacie has a ATA drive.. and none of my pc has such a connection |
| 15:38.20 | killaz | :-( |
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| 15:38.31 | killaz | oops it was not meant for qrck. |
| 15:38.33 | killaz | sorry.. |
| 15:38.42 | qrck | killaz: np |
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| 15:39.12 | killaz | damn this is such a nightmare |
| 15:39.20 | qrck | killaz ? |
| 15:39.29 | qrck | your hd is crap ? |
| 15:40.10 | qrck | oh no interfaces to plug in |
| 15:40.22 | qrck | poor killaz |
| 15:40.37 | wols_ | killaz: the lacie has a ethernet jack. do your PCs lack ethernet too? |
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| 15:41.16 | TrueDD | re |
| 15:41.24 | qrck | why aren't there any adapters, switches for such things... |
| 15:41.32 | Bushmills | 'morning |
| 15:41.39 | killaz | wols_: nope. Well I'm going to hacak the Lacie. Cause I'm very dissapointed with the speed and I want to make it a webserver/mysql server |
| 15:42.01 | Enverex | killaz, What connection does it have that your PCs lack then? |
| 15:42.11 | killaz | an ATA connection |
| 15:42.14 | killaz | SATA |
| 15:42.27 | g00se | blubberdiblub: that worked in #flood. Funny thing is, if i try it again i get 'Error 21: Selected disk does not exist' |
| 15:42.28 | killaz | they have a SATA pci card |
| 15:42.34 | yangvnc | I am wondering where to change the background colours of the gnome-terminal ? |
| 15:42.55 | killaz | but one more purchase for what should have been a small "hack" |
| 15:42.58 | blubberdiblub | g00se: i'm not on #flood, so i don't know what you did ;) |
| 15:43.12 | x_link | How can I put my cpu under "pressure" or how I should say it. |
| 15:43.39 | wols_ | x_link: strss |
| 15:43.44 | wols_ | *stress rather |
| 15:44.06 | g00se | blubberdiblub: http://paste.debian.net/30730 |
| 15:44.41 | wols_ | g00se: and what is that supposed tos how us? |
| 15:44.47 | Enverex | x_link, Single core? Use "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null" |
| 15:44.55 | x_link | wols_: Okej. |
| 15:45.01 | x_link | Enverex: AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+ |
| 15:45.14 | x_link | Just got a new motherboard and I want to see if this sensors works better. |
| 15:45.15 | wols_ | Enverex: that won#t stress it much |
| 15:45.25 | x_link | wols_: Sorry for yesterday! |
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| 15:45.30 | Enverex | wols_, It'll put the usage up to 100% but... meh |
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| 15:46.05 | twobitsprite | I hate macromedia flash |
| 15:46.13 | wols_ | Enverex: a simngple "while (1);" will do that. doesnA't mean it will create max TDP |
| 15:46.13 | g00se | wols_: It's supposed to show what i did |
| 15:46.15 | blubberdiblub | g00se: of what use is setting the device grub defaults to on that run (via root), and then not doing anything with it except rebooting? |
| 15:46.22 | x_link | Enverex: Shouldn't the CPU temp go up then? |
| 15:46.23 | killaz | I just installed my new debian... and I already love it.. |
| 15:46.24 | twobitsprite | is anyone else having problems with iceweasel freezing when running a flash movie? |
| 15:46.41 | wols_ | x_link: I already told you what to use |
| 15:46.43 | Enverex | x_link, Ignore me, seems i'm useless |
| 15:47.06 | g00se | blubberdiblub: as mentioned before: to test out the concept |
| 15:47.09 | killaz | ahhhh.... |
| 15:47.28 | x_link | Enverex: I just tried your command. |
| 15:47.29 | killaz | damn I didnt want it to installl all those office things |
| 15:47.39 | blubberdiblub | g00se: you know, the root command doesn't change anything permanently. you would have to have something after root to do ... like a kernel line that actually loads your linux kernel |
| 15:47.45 | Bushmills | since today i can't reboot my custom compiled 2.6.21 kernel anymore - the 2.6.20 with almost the same .config still boots. error message during boot: "server localhost doesn't respond" after kernel BUG at net/core/skbuff ... i have put the relevant log excerpt on http://verhau.de/oops . my last actions (compiling netfilter module nat) i have undone already, rebuilt modules, and modules_install into a new, empty directory. the problem |
| 15:47.50 | killaz | I thought the grahical is only Gnome and nothing else |
| 15:47.56 | twobitsprite | killaz: aptitude remove |
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| 15:48.34 | g00se | blubberdiblub: yes, thanks - i'm aware of that. But why isn't it working a second time? |
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| 15:49.31 | blubberdiblub | g00se: what do you mean, "working a second time"? what is it that used to work and now doesn't? |
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| 15:50.28 | g00se | blubberdiblub: i just successfully rebooted over ssh using that, bypassing the sinister xp recovery, but i can't do the same again |
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| 15:51.05 | g00se | blubberdiblub: if i call sudo reboot, it goes into xp recovery |
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| 15:51.35 | blubberdiblub | g00se: yeah, because the XP boot code is in the MBR |
| 15:51.35 | roland | hi |
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| 15:52.02 | blubberdiblub | g00se: when you call the shell-grub, it does not load any boot code from any boot records, so no XP boot code either |
| 15:52.08 | roland | i have wmaker and all my dock apps and icons are in place and arranged around the screen how can i save this desktop setup so when i start wmaker next time with startx i can have it back ? |
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| 15:52.43 | g00se | blubberdiblub: yes, but why can't i do it again without the 'Selected disk does not exist' error? |
| 15:52.43 | blubberdiblub | g00se: the shell-grub is a simulation of the stage when grub is already loaded up and running |
| 15:53.22 | roland | how can i save my windowmaker workspace |
| 15:53.32 | Scurz | Where is the script 'apxs' with apache2 ? |
| 15:53.46 | blubberdiblub | g00se: when exactly does this error occur? while booting? or in the shell-grub? and when exactly? |
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| 15:54.35 | g00se | blubberdiblub: when i do exactly what i pasted a second time, ater the 'root' command |
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| 15:56.53 | blubberdiblub | g00se: that is strange ... you mean you use the shell-grub once, and everything seems to work, the program quits, you start it again, and then the error shows up? |
| 15:57.49 | g00se | blubberdiblub: i mean i can reboot using what i pasted - but only once |
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| 15:58.09 | light_ | httpd.conf |
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| 15:58.26 | roland | how do i save my beloved windowmaker desktop ? all docklets are arranged and i dont want to loose this at restart |
| 15:58.56 | qrck | save session at the end |
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| 15:59.22 | roland | just did that before, and when i restart all docklets are gone and i have empty desktop |
| 15:59.33 | qrck | oh |
| 15:59.42 | blubberdiblub | g00se: seems i'm not getting you, or you're not getting me ... you aren't supposed to be able to reboot from within the shell-grub |
| 15:59.43 | roland | i restarted with ctrl-alt-backspace |
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| 16:00.06 | qrck | roland: no wonder then |
| 16:00.29 | g00se | blubberdiblub: Well i just did ;-) This happened the second time though: http://paste.debian.net/30732 |
| 16:00.30 | qrck | if you quit with crtl-alt-backspace every option you set will be lost |
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| 16:01.01 | qrck | save session, then quit normally, and try login again |
| 16:01.05 | killaz | hi someone told me to make my Lacie work via USB I need to install nic-usb. what package is that? |
| 16:01.32 | qrck | without ctrl-alt-backspace, you kill your xserver immediately |
| 16:01.37 | roland | qrck, ok and after that i hope it will be back as i left it, or im gonna search for someone to sue :) |
| 16:01.42 | roland | kidding |
| 16:01.44 | blubberdiblub | g00se: the first time, you were root (via sudo), the second time you weren't |
| 16:02.04 | qrck | roland: if it won't work, you have to use configurator applet somehow... |
| 16:02.21 | Bushmills | killaz: doesn't sound like it is from a package, but is a kernel module instead |
| 16:02.24 | qrck | roland: normally it should |
| 16:02.36 | killaz | Bushmill: ok... |
| 16:02.56 | killaz | Bushmills: so I dont have to install it... |
| 16:03.02 | g00se | blubberdiblub: Doh! Rebooting again. Now 17:02 here |
| 16:03.31 | Bushmills | killaz: try modprobe -l | grep nic |
| 16:04.37 | killaz | there is not a nic-usb module |
| 16:05.10 | killaz | so I should load the module, right? |
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| 16:06.08 | ma3x | when i close the lid dpms enables itself |
| 16:06.11 | ma3x | how do istop that |
| 16:06.41 | killaz | Bushmills: but how? |
| 16:07.03 | Bushmills | killaz: that's what i'd expect you have to do with it. but you can only load it when you have it. and i have no idea where to get it from. |
| 16:07.58 | wols_ | !dpms |
| 16:07.59 | dpkg | it has been said that dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
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| 16:08.49 | wols_ | light_: who said you need "nic-usb"? |
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| 16:09.06 | light_ | wrong address? |
| 16:09.11 | wols_ | doh! |
| 16:09.16 | wols_ | killa: who said you need "nic-usb"? |
| 16:09.19 | zinx | killaz: no idea what that is. most USB hard drives work without it, whatever it is. mine included, which happens to be lacie branded |
| 16:09.19 | killaz | Bushmills: here they have a list of the module. Is this correct: |
| 16:09.26 | wols_ | killaz: ^^ |
| 16:09.40 | killaz | Bushmills: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/debian-installer/nic-usb-modules-2.6.21-1-ixp4xx-di |
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| 16:10.07 | killaz | wols_: wasnt it you. Who told me that ;-) |
| 16:10.12 | zinx | killaz: in fact, it should be autodetected in a stock etch/lenny/sid install |
| 16:10.36 | killaz | zinx: Mine Lacie is a USB (ethernet NAS) drive |
| 16:10.37 | wols_ | no I certainly did not, but I see how you misread me |
| 16:10.43 | g00se | blubberdiblub: FYI it still didn't work a second time with sudo. No errors but no reboot either |
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| 16:11.14 | killaz | zinx: when I used it in windows it was installed as some network drivers |
| 16:11.17 | blubberdiblub | g00se: well, it isn't supposed to reboot, after all, so ... |
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| 16:12.08 | killaz | so it is physically a USB drive and also a ethernet.. it has both interfaces but it acts in windows as a network drive (with both interfaces) |
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| 16:13.39 | Marenz | is there a small program that counts how much lines an app outputed ? |
| 16:13.55 | qrck | wc ? |
| 16:13.56 | Bushmills | Marenz: wc |
| 16:14.02 | Marenz | ty |
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| 16:14.07 | Bushmills | Marenz: or | nl |
| 16:14.13 | sysfault | ~/quit |
| 16:14.22 | apt | ACTION has signed off IRC (NULL), or <action> /quit #kde... hmm doesn't work... |
| 16:14.22 | sysfault | erm |
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| 16:14.31 | roland | hi |
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| 16:14.40 | levander | Is there a command line command to make you computer hibernate? |
| 16:14.41 | killaz | I have two usb disk. The "normal" one is detected withour problem. But the Lacie ethernet disk (usb) is not being detected. |
| 16:14.47 | qrck | roland no worky ? |
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| 16:15.00 | killaz | So I tought that there should be a way to make it work... |
| 16:15.06 | roland | oh im here .. i thought i was on oftc last time |
| 16:15.16 | roland | or how its caled |
| 16:15.32 | killaz | the USB-NIC drivers are supposed to: This package contains USB network adapter drivers for the Linux kernel |
| 16:15.37 | roland | i had no luck, i dont know how to save my windowmaker desktop, im digging trouh wmaker documentation now |
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| 16:15.51 | killaz | USB network adapter drivers |
| 16:16.00 | qrck | roland: it's in the configuration applet..... |
| 16:17.02 | qrck | roland: you can even add you own menus etc.... |
| 16:17.17 | qrck | roland: define which fonts to be used for what windows, titles etc...bla |
| 16:17.33 | qrck | roland: many options.... |
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| 16:17.36 | killaz | it is only available for ARM architecture |
| 16:17.38 | killaz | :-( |
| 16:17.46 | ma3x | is tarzeau here? |
| 16:17.58 | roland | qrck, can i save there the desktop (ie all applets in their places will stay there at next restarts) ? |
| 16:18.15 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes |
| 16:18.27 | qrck | roland: i think there's a config option there for what you look, but i'm not aware of it's name.... |
| 16:18.39 | lymeca | Anyone have experience using full disk encryption with RAID and paravitualisation? |
| 16:18.49 | wols_ | !tell lymeca about anyone |
| 16:18.51 | qrck | roland: and i myself am installing right now, so i don't have the option to look for... |
| 16:18.57 | ma3x | hey tarzeau I wanted to ask you about this dpms thing - I type xset -dpms and that disables it, but when I close the laptop lid it's enabled again. and xset dpms force off blanks the screen (doesn't work) |
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| 16:19.18 | ma3x | tarzeau, and when I create .xsession file, kde won't even start (even if the file is empty) |
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| 16:19.27 | blubberdiblub | g00se: http://paste.debian.net/30735 .. don't know if it will be of any help ... |
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| 16:19.58 | Honeyman | !tell Honeyman about anyone |
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| 16:20.37 | tarzeau | ma3x: i have no idea |
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| 16:21.10 | ma3x | tarzeau, it's kinda stupid. can't i blacklist it somehow? is it a module what is it? |
| 16:21.31 | tarzeau | ma3x: no idea really |
| 16:21.39 | ma3x | tarzeau, ok thanks anyway :p |
| 16:22.40 | roland | nothing found in documentation either, and in wmaker conf applet nothing like what i want is available |
| 16:22.52 | lymeca | With paravirtualisation combined with full disk encryption, should the host OS be left unencrypted but all guest OSes not? How would the partitioning work for that? |
| 16:23.15 | valdyn | ma3x: not even if its empty but BECAUSE it is empty |
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| 16:23.38 | ma3x | valdyn, say that again? |
| 16:23.41 | InsolitWork | what's the command that tells all the hops to reach a destination? |
| 16:23.47 | roland | does someone know how i can save my window maker desktop ? so that when i restart all applets are back |
| 16:23.56 | ma3x | I think it's kpowersave doing it |
| 16:24.09 | ma3x | if I close kpowersave, it won't turn it on when I close the lid |
| 16:24.19 | blubberdiblub | InsolitWork: traceroute |
| 16:24.41 | InsolitWork | thanks blubberdiblub |
| 16:25.06 | roland | brb |
| 16:25.09 | killaz | cd /tmp |
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| 16:25.46 | keith4_ | i should be able to grow an LVM volume across another disk without destroying anything, right? |
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| 16:26.12 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: yep, you can grow volume groups beyond devices |
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| 16:26.49 | keith4_ | that's what i thought. how do i see what volume groups are defined? |
| 16:27.03 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: vgdisplay, or vgs |
| 16:27.41 | keith4_ | thanks |
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| 16:32.23 | roland | ok im back |
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| 16:35.55 | roland | hmm |
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| 16:36.01 | roland | how do i save my windowmaker desktop |
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| 16:36.21 | keith4_ | how does one see which physical volumes are in an LVM vg? |
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| 16:36.27 | minerale | how much swap should I have on a server that has 512mb/ram |
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| 16:36.30 | tarzeau | roland: just say yes when it asks you exiting it? |
| 16:36.41 | js_ | keith4_: vgdisplay |
| 16:36.45 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: just try "vgdisplay -v", it even shows the logical volumes on the group |
| 16:36.46 | tarzeau | roland: or did you mess with the settings in WPrefs? wmakerconf (<- don't use) |
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| 16:36.55 | julius | hello, I'm lookig for someone having experience in Debian-med or GNUmed... |
| 16:37.03 | tarzeau | julius: doing what? |
| 16:37.15 | julius | tarzeau, medical software |
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| 16:37.26 | tarzeau | julius: but yes you want to do what with it? |
| 16:37.26 | Bushmills | minerale: rather than the thumb rule "2 times ram", better decide on the programs the server is going to run. |
| 16:37.27 | keith4_ | minerale: 1.5 to 2x RAM maybe |
| 16:37.30 | roland | tarzeau : i did tried to save session and then exit wmaker but then everything is lost after restart, and no i didnt mess with wmakerconf |
| 16:37.44 | Bushmills | minerale: the more you run, the more mem it uses, and the more swap you want to have |
| 16:37.55 | tarzeau | roland: dunno, works here. can you make screenshots of what settings you talk? |
| 16:38.46 | roland | tarzeau, i have started applets that are docked around the screen so i get a more consistent and comfortable environment, when i save session and exit windowmaker from the menu and then 'startx' everything in wmaker is empty screen |
| 16:38.58 | SlimG | How often does Debian installs get the ability to upgrade their packages? I'm only used to Ubuntu where I have to wait 6 months and do a dist-upgrade to get new packages |
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| 16:39.20 | rsk | SlimG: depends on what sources you choose |
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| 16:39.32 | SlimG | rsk: let's say I choose stable |
| 16:39.37 | tarzeau | roland: and the apps are not even unstarted at the dock? |
| 16:39.39 | cast | SlimG: the time between major releases is undefined |
| 16:39.44 | Bushmills | SlimG: "get the ability" - anytime. |
| 16:39.47 | rsk | SlimG: then only updates for secuirty and bugs |
| 16:39.52 | roland | tarzeau : ? |
| 16:39.52 | tarzeau | SlimG: in debian sid they are updated daily |
| 16:39.54 | Enverex | SlimG, If you use Sid then constantly |
| 16:40.06 | tarzeau | roland: can you make a screenshot ? |
| 16:40.18 | julius | tarzeau, I got 2 contacts who wants to use GNU/Linux for medical purpose and I was looking for someone who is using this kind of software |
| 16:40.30 | roland | tarzeau , probably what program should i use |
| 16:40.35 | tarzeau | julius: and do you have the medical software already? |
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| 16:40.45 | tarzeau | julius: it sure can be done, IF you have the software you need |
| 16:40.48 | nitro4ce | how do i start the AdvanceMame GUI? |
| 16:40.54 | tarzeau | roland: scrot peng.png |
| 16:41.01 | tarzeau | roland: apt-get install scrot |
| 16:41.44 | roland | ok hang on .. the program is nice |
| 16:41.46 | roland | doing screen |
| 16:41.48 | SlimG | Enverex: So Sid will keep getting updates constantly uintil next major Debian release? |
| 16:41.55 | tarzeau | SlimG: yes |
| 16:42.04 | Enverex | SlimG, It keeps updating constantly regardless |
| 16:42.17 | Enverex | It is a perpetually continual release |
| 16:42.18 | Bushmills | SlimG: and sometimes even broken packages |
| 16:42.43 | julius | tarzeau, in fact, they're noobs in GNU/Linux, that's why they installed Ubuntu. I just looked in the feisty packages and I saw med-practice package (they're talking about it on debian-med webiste) but it doesn't seem to install any program... I'm wondering if It's not easier on Debian. |
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| 16:43.00 | cydork | SlimG: Dont even think about moving sid. check /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 16:43.06 | tarzeau | julius: do you have any software names? |
| 16:43.07 | julius | It's a debian project... not an ubuntu one |
| 16:43.10 | cydork | s/moving/moving to/ |
| 16:43.21 | julius | tarzeau, http://www.gnumed.org/ for example |
| 16:43.22 | SlimG | Is sid currently the "experimental" branch? (If I've understood it correctly) |
| 16:43.29 | abrotman | cydork: you realize that FAQ tells them how .. right ? |
| 16:43.33 | abrotman | SlimG: no |
| 16:43.37 | Bushmills | SlimG: no, unstable |
| 16:43.41 | tarzeau | julius: yes it exists in debian |
| 16:43.45 | keith4_ | SlimG: sid is always unstable |
| 16:43.48 | twobitsprite | so, I'm trying to start using aptitude instead of apt-get... and I'm trying to purge libflash0c2... but aptitude doesn't do it, just says "0 to remove"...? |
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| 16:43.59 | cydork | abrotman: no it also says "why not to install sid." |
| 16:44.06 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: aptitude is not apt-get |
| 16:44.11 | julius | tarzeau, how many ko does it take when you want to install med-practice package ? |
| 16:44.17 | twobitsprite | tarzeau: no shit |
| 16:44.18 | abrotman | cydork: it used to .. maybe Greg changed it |
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| 16:44.26 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: rly, i swear! |
| 16:44.38 | twobitsprite | tarzeau: seriously though, how do I remove a package with aptitude? |
| 16:44.47 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: ask karsten. i hate aptitude |
| 16:44.53 | SlimG | keith4_: Oh, that explains alot :) |
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| 16:44.56 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: the first thing i do on etch+ is apt-get --purge remove aptitude |
| 16:45.03 | twobitsprite | tarzeau: then why are you answering a question about aptitude? |
| 16:45.13 | Bushmills | lol, re aptitude, me too ... never got the hang of it :) |
| 16:45.14 | blubberdiblub | twobitsprite: removing: press - at the package, then g twice. purging: press _ at the package, then g twice |
| 16:45.17 | tarzeau | julius: i just say apt-get install med-practice and it works |
| 16:45.18 | abrotman | cydork: no .. it still tells them how |
| 16:45.18 | twobitsprite | anyone feel like being constructive? |
| 16:45.19 | cydork | abrotman: oh ok.. didn't knew that. |
| 16:45.30 | julius | tarzeau, hmm ok, I will test this... |
| 16:45.34 | abrotman | cydork: it does explain why you shouldn't .. but also tells them now |
| 16:45.38 | twobitsprite | blubberdiblub: ah... I was hoping for an answer for the commandline |
| 16:45.50 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: because you tried using aptitude as if it was apt-get |
| 16:45.55 | blubberdiblub | twobitsprite: aptitude purge package, or aptitude remove package, respectively |
| 16:46.33 | twobitsprite | blubberdiblub: yeah, I've tried that, but aptitude just prints out its usual stuff, complains about packages being held back and says "0 to remove" and exits, not removing the package |
| 16:47.00 | blubberdiblub | twobitsprite: then there are some dependencies that don't let you remove it, it seems |
| 16:47.12 | SlimG | How does "experimental" fit into all this Debian branching? |
| 16:47.13 | twobitsprite | blubberdiblub: how do I find out what those are? |
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| 16:47.28 | Bushmills | twobitsprite: want an answer for command line, or for aptitude? |
| 16:47.45 | twobitsprite | Bushmills: for the aptitude commandline.... |
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| 16:47.57 | blubberdiblub | Bushmills: aptitude can be used from the command line almost like apt-get |
| 16:48.00 | SlimG | Sid == unstable, ?? == experimental |
| 16:48.20 | twobitsprite | SlimG: there is no "experimental" branch in debian... sid is unstable |
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| 16:48.23 | Bushmills | blubberdiblub: as you wish |
| 16:48.28 | cydork | twobitsprite: does anything depends on the package you are trying remove? |
| 16:48.33 | SlimG | twobitsprite: thanks |
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| 16:48.45 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: yes there is |
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| 16:48.55 | twobitsprite | tarzeau: ? |
| 16:48.57 | tarzeau | SlimG: experimental is just experimental |
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| 16:49.05 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: debian has an experimental repository |
| 16:49.11 | twobitsprite | tarzeau: oh... didn't know that |
| 16:49.20 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: yes i noticed |
| 16:49.20 | roland | tarzeau, where do i upload my screenshot |
| 16:49.29 | tarzeau | roland: into /var/www and install a webserver? |
| 16:49.35 | tarzeau | roland: and tell us your ip? |
| 16:49.41 | Bushmills | lol |
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| 16:49.53 | keith4_ | once I extend the volume group, i need to resize the filesystem? |
| 16:50.04 | roland | tarzeau, not a good idea, lets think about a image hosting site |
| 16:50.14 | tarzeau | roland: roland.googlepages.com ? |
| 16:50.16 | cydork | twobitsprite: its just a repo of few packages. not actually a whole branch. |
| 16:50.22 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: you first grow the logical volume in question, then you grow the filesys |
| 16:50.23 | twobitsprite | cydork: ahh |
| 16:51.04 | roland | tarzeau, no you need a gmail account for that |
| 16:51.12 | roland | let me try on my ftp server at work |
| 16:51.35 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: lvextend grows your logical volume, and for the filesys ... that depends on what filesys you're using |
| 16:51.50 | tarzeau | roland: can be made for free.. ah ok. or imageshack or flickr |
| 16:51.58 | keith4_ | ext3 |
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| 16:53.59 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: for that you'd probably have to use ext2resize (in the package with the same name), or maybe parted, but you would want to unmount the filesys before growing. the logical volume can be grown on line, tho |
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| 16:54.22 | linux1 | anybody use lightscribe in here? |
| 16:54.43 | roland | how do i paste into eterm/bitchx |
| 16:54.44 | keith4_ | blubberdiblub: let me make sure i'm doing this right.... i created a single partition of type '8e' linux LVM on the new disk (sda), then ran 'pvcreate' on sda1, then 'vgextend vg_foo /dev/sda1', now i need to extend the logical volume? |
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| 16:55.17 | abrotman | roland: middle click |
| 16:55.27 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: yep, the volume group is just a big tray that countains your logical volumes (the "actual" partitions) |
| 16:55.45 | roland | http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenyi6.png |
| 16:55.49 | roland | abrotman thanks |
| 16:55.57 | roland | tarzeau, heres my desktop |
| 16:56.00 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: with adding to the volume group, you just made more empty space for the logical volumes, but which is not used yet |
| 16:56.09 | roland | thats what i want to see when i restart windowmaker |
| 16:56.20 | keith4_ | blubberdiblub: gotcha. is there a way to tell lvextend to just expand to fill all of the empty space? |
| 16:56.47 | tarzeau | roland: and when you say menu, exit, save workspace state, exit? |
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| 16:56.58 | tarzeau | roland: then startx again, you don't get all those dockapps? |
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| 16:57.09 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: i don't know ... if you leave the -l and -L options away, maybe |
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| 16:57.52 | keith4_ | blubberdiblub: it demands size or extents |
| 16:57.53 | roland | tarzeau nope... |
| 16:58.05 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: otherwise, use vgdisplay to look up the "Free PE", and then use the -l option to lvextend with that value |
| 16:58.07 | roland | well i can try this again but if i loose everything i will pass out |
| 16:58.21 | killaz | guys I'm trying to stream a video over the lacie drive. With windows I see can wathc the movie, but with a smbmount on linux box totem freezes and I get to see this when I do a ls -al on the smbmount dir ?----------- ? ? ? ? /media/edmini/videos |
| 16:58.23 | tarzeau | roland: you have a GNUstep directory in your $HOME ? |
| 16:58.28 | roland | yes |
| 16:58.36 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: use vgextent -l +value ... don't forget the + |
| 16:58.44 | tarzeau | roland: then Library/WindowMaker ? |
| 16:58.47 | spheard | !key |
| 16:58.48 | dpkg | well, key is Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest gpg key used to sign the Debian archive |
| 16:58.48 | roland | 1 sec |
| 16:58.49 | blubberdiblub | vgextent -> vgextend |
| 16:58.49 | tarzeau | roland: can you tell me dpkg -l wmaker ? |
| 16:58.51 | keith4_ | blubberdiblub: ok thanks |
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| 16:58.54 | abrotman | killaz: i'd go into windows and scan the drive for errors |
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| 16:59.14 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: eh, i'm sorry, i meant lvextend |
| 16:59.24 | roland | tarzeau, what do i need to tell you from the output specifically? |
| 16:59.31 | roland | or should i pastebin it |
| 16:59.34 | tarzeau | roland: the version |
| 16:59.37 | tarzeau | roland: just dpkg -l wmaker ? |
| 16:59.52 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: too easy to confuse the little abbreviations ;) |
| 16:59.56 | keith4_ | blubberdiblub: yah, i know. no worries |
| 17:00.03 | keith4_ | seems to have worked |
| 17:00.03 | roland | dpkg -l wmaker Version reported from output : 0.92.0-6.1 |
| 17:00.04 | dpkg | ii wmaker Version reported from output : 0.92.0-6.1 3.5-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 17:00.12 | killaz | abrotman: what error on the NAS drive? |
| 17:00.24 | abrotman | it should have permissions |
| 17:00.30 | tarzeau | roland: same here |
| 17:00.38 | speedy | I'm willing to buy a server, not sure if I can go with AMD64 processor or intel, how stable is debian-amd64? |
| 17:00.44 | keith4_ | if either of these disks dies, the whole LVM is shot right? |
| 17:00.47 | killaz | abrotman: it's a NAS drive |
| 17:00.50 | tarzeau | roland: i'm glad it works here :) |
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| 17:00.57 | roland | omg :P |
| 17:01.01 | abrotman | so it doesn't have permissions ? |
| 17:01.09 | tarzeau | roland: that's mine btw http://io.debian.net/~tar/screenshots/emacs.app.png |
| 17:01.09 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: that was the part the causes the least troubles ... growing the filesys may be a bit more risky ... |
| 17:01.15 | abrotman | killaz: if you run totem from the console . does it spit errors ? |
| 17:01.16 | SoulChild | What is bigger, gnome base or kde base ? |
| 17:01.22 | killaz | damn it;s like everything I try to do with this &%#&@ NAS drive to work in linux is for god sake impossible.. |
| 17:01.26 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: no, only the part that lies on the dead disk is gone |
| 17:01.43 | tarzeau | SoulChild: bigger with number of bugs? developers? bytes of source? or what? |
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| 17:02.52 | roland | tarzeau i need to get emacs too |
| 17:03.07 | tarzeau | roland: have you tried the http://livecd.gnustep.org/ ? |
| 17:03.08 | roland | but first i need to know whats the way to save things... exit session ? save workspace? |
| 17:03.10 | cast | killaz: could rip it apart and take the drives :) |
| 17:03.19 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: just make sure you umount the filesys first before growing it ... ext2 and ext3 don't easily allow growing a mounted filesys |
| 17:03.49 | SoulChild | tarzeau: hi,... bigger in size ,... |
| 17:03.49 | tarzeau | roland: yes there's a [ ] where you can say, save the session. you have the menu package? dpkg -l menu |
| 17:03.49 | wols_ | killaz: dcan you attach it via ethernet? |
| 17:03.49 | roland | tarzeau, im not using another distro because i cant get along with windowmaker saving my settings :P |
| 17:03.49 | keith4_ | blubberdiblub: ok, thanks |
| 17:03.50 | cast | blubberdiblub: ext3 grows fine iirc |
| 17:03.51 | tarzeau | roland: it's a live cd based on debian. i didn't want you to use it as a solution. wondered if you know about it |
| 17:03.58 | roland | i do |
| 17:04.11 | roland | i have menu |
| 17:04.31 | keith4_ | any feelings on the package 'ext2resize' ? |
| 17:04.33 | roland | i'll try restarting wmaker again, but if i loose things im gonna stop using windowmaker |
| 17:04.34 | cast | blubberdiblub: resize2fs does online resizing :) [grow only] |
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| 17:04.53 | wols_ | keith4_: use gparted |
| 17:04.56 | killaz | wols_: it is attached via ethernet (smb mounted) |
| 17:04.58 | erd3rd | HI PPL HOW TO INSTALL XCHAT on my debian ? |
| 17:05.01 | blubberdiblub | cast: i know that :) that's why i don't use ext2 or 3 anymore for a very long time |
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| 17:05.09 | wols_ | killaz: it it's smb mounted what is your problem? |
| 17:05.09 | abrotman | erd3rd: stop screaming |
| 17:05.23 | erd3rd | abrotman sorry |
| 17:05.24 | wols_ | !tell erd3rd about search |
| 17:05.25 | blubberdiblub | cast: (XFS here, and JFS does online growing, too) |
| 17:05.30 | cast | blubberdiblub: i'm confused! :( |
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| 17:05.33 | abrotman | !tell erd3rd about grounding |
| 17:05.47 | killaz | ahh nevermind I give it up.... going to do something better with my life. Thank you guys for th ehelp |
| 17:05.56 | nuncanada | apt-get install xchat |
| 17:06.03 | blubberdiblub | cast: well, we're talking about keith4_'s filesystems, which are ext3 |
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| 17:06.30 | keith4_ | i'm going to try ext2resize |
| 17:06.34 | keith4_ | seems promising |
| 17:06.42 | willworkforfood | Actually ext2 ext3 grow just fine mounted with ext2online |
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| 17:06.47 | ChibaPet | So, yeah, yesterday there were no amd64 kernels available to me because amd64 is its own platform. I didn't know this. :P |
| 17:07.04 | blubberdiblub | willworkforfood: but will that not require preparation beforehand? |
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| 17:07.10 | SoulChild | Is there a way to get a free debian cd ? |
| 17:07.23 | ChibaPet | You can download the ISO images. |
| 17:07.26 | willworkforfood | blubberdiblub: Well you have to have free space. I use it all the time with lvm |
| 17:07.29 | ChibaPet | Or do you mean have someone mail you one? |
| 17:07.45 | Absolute0 | I am trying to use xbindkeys to talk with mpc but its not working... I have 2 files ~/.Xmodmap and ~/.xbindkeysrc and running 'xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap && xbindkeys' does nothing! here are both files:http://rafb.net/p/CdLiaE66.html |
| 17:07.49 | Absolute0 | any suggestions? |
| 17:07.58 | SlimG | How often would I receive non-security package updates if I pulled packages from testing? and how much difference is there between testing and unstable packages? |
| 17:08.14 | blubberdiblub | willworkforfood: that's not what i meant. you have to use ext2prepare somewhere beforehand, if i remember correctly |
| 17:08.21 | willworkforfood | blubberdiblub: Nope |
| 17:08.22 | abrotman | SlimG: just use stable |
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| 17:08.55 | willworkforfood | If you are using lvm all you need to do is extend your lv first then use ext2online |
| 17:09.15 | willworkforfood | Shrinkning you will for sure need to unmount though |
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| 17:10.06 | blubberdiblub | willworkforfood: quote from http://ext2resize.sourceforge.net/faq.html: "... is the ext2prepare support for allowing existing filesystems to be grown beyond the next multiple-of-16GB boundary. ..." |
| 17:10.08 | roland | tarzeau, i removed wmaker cause i lost everything again and im now happy using afterstep wich is WAAAY better |
| 17:10.09 | Absolute0 | anyone? |
| 17:10.18 | SlimG | abrotman: I'm not that keen on stable or unstable, so I thought maby testing was somekind of middle-thing? |
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| 17:10.30 | tarzeau | roland: nice |
| 17:10.31 | keith4_ | blubberdiblub: ext2resize worked fine |
| 17:10.33 | abrotman | SlimG: for a desktop .. it's fine .. i wouldn't run it on a server |
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| 17:10.35 | keith4_ | everything seems okay |
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| 17:11.16 | blubberdiblub | keith4_: very well :) |
| 17:11.20 | keith4_ | thanks a lot |
| 17:11.26 | blubberdiblub | you're welcome |
| 17:11.30 | roland | tarzeau, only problem i have with afterstep is that its hard to control |
| 17:11.39 | tarzeau | roland: i've never liked it |
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| 17:11.46 | SlimG | abrotman: How often would I receive non-security package updates from testing? do I have to wait uintil a major Debian release to get new testing packages? |
| 17:11.59 | abrotman | testing is almost always moving |
| 17:12.00 | keith4_ | nope |
| 17:12.06 | abrotman | !why is foo not in testing |
| 17:12.06 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foo |
| 17:12.24 | [Cadet] | blubberdiblub: I guess since they wrote the software, I use is all the time here and in some classes I teach and have never had a problem |
| 17:12.26 | SoulChild | WHat do you guys prefere Gnome or KDE ? I repeat "OR" means not "none of them"! |
| 17:12.29 | abrotman | SlimG: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html |
| 17:12.35 | abrotman | SlimG: that's for today |
| 17:12.44 | abrotman | SoulChild: please don't take polls in here |
| 17:12.51 | SoulChild | abrotman: ok |
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| 17:12.59 | abrotman | SoulChild: try them both .. decide for yourself |
| 17:13.01 | mmlj4 | SoulChild: the civilized world uses KDE |
| 17:13.16 | nuncanada | KDE |
| 17:13.19 | abrotman | yeah .. the big fat part of it :) |
| 17:13.23 | keith4_ | lol |
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| 17:13.23 | cast | speak for yourselves! |
| 17:13.25 | mmlj4 | even Linus uses KDE |
| 17:13.33 | qrck | mostly kde then wmaker and sometimes gnome |
| 17:13.38 | cast | enlightenment! |
| 17:13.44 | abrotman | SoulChild: as you can see .. opinion is divided .. decide for yourself |
| 17:13.53 | qrck | xfce4 and enlightenment rarely |
| 17:13.57 | mmlj4 | just make sure you decide on KDE |
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| 17:14.01 | abrotman | mmlj4: shut up |
| 17:14.06 | Absolute0 | I am trying to use xbindkeys to talk with mpc but its not working... I have 2 files ~/.Xmodmap and ~/.xbindkeysrc and running 'xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap && xbindkeys' does nothing! here are both files:http://rafb.net/p/CdLiaE66.html |
| 17:14.09 | mmlj4 | i'm kidding, man |
| 17:14.12 | keith4_ | SoulChild: the only flame war bigger than gnome vs kde is emacs vs vi |
| 17:14.15 | nuncanada | maybe i will try xmonad |
| 17:14.20 | [Cadet] | blubberdiblub: I think that page is way out of date, the bullet point before the stuff you quoted says "What needs to be done to make an ext3 online resizing release" You have been able to do that for a long time |
| 17:14.47 | nuncanada | i dont use emacs or vi... I have grown up used to nice graphic interfaces |
| 17:14.49 | cast | i was quite impressed with xfce4, not enough to go away from e. but still. was good! my beef with kde and gnome is they are !lightweight |
| 17:15.08 | blubberdiblub | [Cadet]: ah okay :) |
| 17:15.18 | cast | nuncanada: gvim, xemacs, :) |
| 17:15.26 | Absolute0 | cast is e fully functional |
| 17:15.33 | [Cadet] | blubberdiblub: Or maybe for really large file systems, they are talking about TB on a different page |
| 17:15.33 | Absolute0 | last time i checked it was missing a lot of things |
| 17:15.39 | cast | Absolute0: e16 or e17? |
| 17:15.45 | Absolute0 | e17 |
| 17:15.49 | SlimG | abrotman: thanks! I'll begin moving my desktop from Ubuntu to Debian at once :) |
| 17:15.54 | Absolute0 | e16 isnt as pretty |
| 17:16.00 | aadil | twm pwns j00 all, and pen n paper pwns vi n imacs |
| 17:16.02 | aadil | end of discussion |
| 17:16.04 | abrotman | SlimG: you sohuld become familiar with the BTS |
| 17:16.04 | aadil | :> |
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| 17:16.36 | cast | Absolute0: well, last time i compiled e17, it was pretty usable. about as usable as e16 imho, hotkeys were working for example |
| 17:16.44 | blubberdiblub | [Cadet]: but since i'm not using ext?, i don't have to worry about it anyways *g* |
| 17:17.13 | cast | Absolute0: but it does show that it is a work in progress, but definitely usable if you're willing to overlook a few small things |
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| 17:17.37 | Absolute0 | cast, where you able to get xbindkeys to work on debian? |
| 17:17.46 | SlimG | abrotman: I'm working on it |
| 17:18.06 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 17:18.07 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 17:18.07 | spheard | is there any need for a firewall on a well set up debian box? |
| 17:18.15 | spheard | !firewall |
| 17:18.15 | dpkg | it has been said that firewall is a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 17:18.26 | Eulex | xbindkeys at least has worked well on debian half a year ago or so |
| 17:18.31 | abrotman | spheard: depends on the services you run and the way the box is situated on your network |
| 17:18.40 | Absolute0 | Eulex: i am not able to get it to work |
| 17:18.52 | cast | Absolute0: hmm, never used it. in e16 i just use e16keyedit, and in e17 i use its builtin thingy |
| 17:18.58 | Eulex | Absolute0, define 'doesn't work' |
| 17:19.22 | spheard | webhosting, mail, nothing very complex. boxes are on a routed vlan |
| 17:19.35 | Absolute0 | Eulex: here are both files http://rafb.net/p/2mn7DH91.html and 'xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap && xbindkeys' does nothing |
| 17:19.36 | wols_ | spheard: no |
| 17:20.11 | wols_ | spheard: and webhosting is about the most complex thing ever |
| 17:20.21 | spheard | :- |
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| 17:21.21 | spheard | :-) thats true, but setting up effective packet filtering is going to be a long and arduous process with the downs outweighing the ups? |
| 17:21.54 | Absolute0 | Eulex: do you see the problem? |
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| 17:22.26 | Absolute0 | i tried running xev after running xmodmap and the multimedia keys still dont have stings assigned to them |
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| 17:26.09 | roland | umm |
| 17:26.13 | roland | whats the package name to install fvwm-crystal |
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| 17:26.51 | Absolute0 | roland: apt-cache search fvwm |
| 17:27.03 | Eulex | roland, fvwm-crystal. only in testing and unstable, though. |
| 17:27.19 | roland | damn |
| 17:27.21 | roland | :( |
| 17:27.30 | roland | i cant find a window manager for me... |
| 17:27.43 | roland | i might stick to the console |
| 17:27.54 | abrotman | xwinman.org |
| 17:28.02 | rsk | roland: tried e17+ |
| 17:28.11 | roland | yes and i hate it |
| 17:28.58 | valdyn | roland: do you even know what you want? some linux window managers are configurable, completely. |
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| 17:31.02 | valdyn | !choice |
| 17:31.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, choice is consists of that mental process of thinking involved with the process of judging the merits of multiple options and selecting one for action. Simple examples can involve deciding whether to get up in the morning or go back to sleep, or selecting a given route to make a journey across a country. Philosophically, having choice implies the existence of free will and the antithesis of fate, chance and predestination. |
| 17:31.02 | roland | im geting back to afterstep |
| 17:31.30 | roland | valdyn, its hard to choose but im getting back to afterstep |
| 17:31.38 | roland | i like it best from all i tried now |
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| 17:31.50 | roland | altough its hard to control |
| 17:32.28 | valdyn | dpkg, choice is also commonly leading to undicisiveness and apathy. |
| 17:32.29 | dpkg | valdyn: that's too long |
| 17:32.32 | valdyn | dpkg: choice is also commonly leading to undicisiveness and apathy. |
| 17:32.39 | valdyn | wth |
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| 17:32.44 | valdyn | dpkg: choice is also commonly leading to undicisiveness and apathy. |
| 17:32.45 | dpkg | that's too long, valdyn |
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| 17:33.03 | cahoot | just say angst |
| 17:33.03 | cast | `/etc/init.d/shorewall restart` is there another way to type that? like `service shorewall restart`? not important, just couldn't remmeber if there was or wasn't |
| 17:33.12 | jelly-home | undEcisiveness, btw |
| 17:33.30 | blubberdiblub | cast: simply: shorewall restart |
| 17:33.38 | cast | blubberdiblub: oh, cool :> |
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| 17:34.03 | blubberdiblub | cast: with the added benefit that the output isn't redirected to /var/log/shorewall-init.log automatically ;) |
| 17:35.50 | valdyn | i didn't find a defragger for lvm, is there one? |
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| 17:37.37 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: if you have some free space, you could - under certain circumstances - use pvmove ... but that's largely suboptimal of course ;) |
| 17:37.50 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: yea |
| 17:37.58 | roland | i screwed a package i think.. i apt-get remove --purge afterstep but then i saw it left out some hidden .afterstep dir in my home and a afterstep dir in /etc/X11 so i rm -r them manually, and now i decided to run apt-get install afterstep but when i start afterstep everything that was started with it first time when it was working ok is gone now.. all modules ,applets ,icons .. its a empty desktop |
| 17:38.00 | roland | how do i fix this |
| 17:38.04 | Azar | good day honorables! |
| 17:38.10 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: earlier i couldnt free space, because there is no defragger... |
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| 17:38.51 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: what do you mean, "free space"? |
| 17:39.10 | Azar | roland: try to use apt-get to remove the stuff, then aptitude to install it back |
| 17:39.17 | roland | ok trying |
| 17:39.37 | Azar | Debian news, honorables: http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2787 |
| 17:39.52 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: well, one pv with plenty free space, but cant shrink it because the lv on it are spread till the end of the pv |
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| 17:40.57 | quitte | Azar: etch wnt evr get 2.6.20 |
| 17:41.05 | wols_ | Azar: when etch was released we were promised 6 months aka october :P |
| 17:41.11 | wols_ | quitte: it will |
| 17:41.21 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: you can't shrink pvs that are part of a volume group, anyways. you would have to pvmove all lv that lie on that pv away to other pvs, then remove the pv from the vg, resize it, then add the pv back |
| 17:41.24 | quitte | wols_: really? why? |
| 17:42.02 | wols_ | quitte: have you ever noticed what happened with sarge when intel 9xx boards happened with their lack of PATA? |
| 17:42.05 | Azar | wols_: eh I allways push the dates... just in case.. |
| 17:42.10 | \amethyst | roland: it sounds like it didn't really get purged |
| 17:42.12 | wols_ | e.g. when people wantewd to install debian on such a machine? |
| 17:42.15 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: uh? i could shrink it just fine |
| 17:42.19 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: just not enough |
| 17:42.25 | \amethyst | doh |
| 17:42.46 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: just 10G where 100G were 'free' |
| 17:42.55 | Azar | quitte: why do you think so? |
| 17:43.09 | quitte | wols_: yes. it didn't work and they had to use backports. but where does it say that etch gets kernel upgrades? |
| 17:43.32 | Azar | quitte: only one.... and I guess that gonna be not 2.6.19, but 2.6.20 |
| 17:43.32 | quitte | Azar: to my understanding stable is strictly security fixes only |
| 17:43.34 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: ah, right ... didn't know you could do that :) |
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| 17:43.45 | Azar | quitte: Etch will have an exception |
| 17:43.59 | Azar | only ONE kernel upgrade during its lifecycle |
| 17:44.01 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: anyway ... you would have to use pvmove to free as much on it as possible |
| 17:44.11 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: shrinking the partition after that gets ugly though.. |
| 17:44.26 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: yea, that would have worked, i lacked 3G or so, unfortunately |
| 17:44.51 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: in the end i went with rsync and recreated |
| 17:44.52 | Azar | I assume that Lenny will come with a much more higher kernel, the dist upgrade might go hard.. |
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| 17:45.23 | valdyn | Azar: uh? |
| 17:45.29 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: but why shrink the pv in the first place anyways? |
| 17:45.35 | valdyn | Azar: remember sarge->etch? 2.6.8 vs 2.6.18 ? |
| 17:45.50 | Azar | valdyn: so I think... what if Lenny will come with the 2.8.x ? |
| 17:45.54 | quitte | Azar, wols_: is that somewhere in the release notes? |
| 17:45.58 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: to free space for a new pv for a pvmove |
| 17:46.21 | Azar | quitte: about what? the second kernel in Etch? |
| 17:46.25 | quitte | yes |
| 17:46.28 | valdyn | Azar: business as usual except that last release |
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| 17:46.36 | Asad2005 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.38 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: the new pv would be in a different vg? otherwise that wouldn't make sense ... |
| 17:46.39 | Azar | quitte: http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2787 |
| 17:46.39 | valdyn | Azar: and lenny would support 2.6 still, but that's plain theory |
| 17:47.31 | Azar | valdyn: hehe with sarge->etch I allways asked myself: who come in first, the egg or the chicken? .. so I upgraded kernel first then dist-upgraded.. |
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| 17:47.46 | Guerin | Azar: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config; choose something with `smarthost' |
| 17:47.51 | Guerin | argh |
| 17:47.58 | Guerin | Asad2005: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config; choose something with `smarthost' |
| 17:47.59 | Azar | hi mister Guerin! |
| 17:48.01 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: layout in order <new pv ><old pv><temporary pv>. <new pv> is to small,<temporary pv> to get space to recreate a bigger <new pv> |
| 17:48.07 | Guerin | top o' the morning |
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| 17:48.21 | wols_ | !coffee Guerin |
| 17:48.30 | Guerin | already on it |
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| 17:48.54 | Guerin | yummah |
| 17:49.32 | Azar | Guerin: been fishing half night into the morning, just got home |
| 17:49.50 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: what's wrong with having many small pvs in a vg instead of few large ones? |
| 17:50.11 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: i was to small for my lv |
| 17:50.26 | Asad2005 | Guerin, I chose first option internet site, so if i chose mail sent by smarthost i dont need my isp server |
| 17:50.46 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: i cant spread a lv across multiple pv, can i ? |
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| 17:51.00 | quitte | Azar: didn'T find that information in there |
| 17:51.03 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: erm ... lvs can span across as many pvs as needed ... you just have to join a new pv to the vg and use the space without worrying about it |
| 17:51.25 | Asad2005 | Guerin, and there are 2 options with smarthost which one to choose |
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| 17:51.36 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: yes, you can ... or rather lvm does it automatically. that's what it is all about, after all :) |
| 17:51.40 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: oh well, that would have saved some work |
| 17:52.32 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: it's just like: throw in a new disk, or partition, make a pv there, add it to the vg, grow your existing lv or add new ones and be happy :) |
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| 17:52.35 | roland | hi |
| 17:53.07 | roland | how do i remove 40 packages relating to window maker all having wm at their start of name, how do i remove them by wildcard eg. apt-get remove wm* |
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| 17:53.41 | cast | roland: could use dpkg -l and xargs |
| 17:53.48 | abrotman | or dpkg -P |
| 17:53.58 | abrotman | but test the list first |
| 17:54.01 | valdyn | roland: just like what, apt-get remove wm* |
| 17:54.12 | cast | abrotman: ahh good call. |
| 17:54.22 | valdyn | s/what/that/ |
| 17:54.51 | Asad2005 | Guerin, i use "mail -s "Report " useri@gmail.com < file.txt" with no errors but gmail doesnot receive any |
| 17:54.58 | epsilon | *head scratch* "if [[ 100 < 60 ]]; then echo true; fi" returns true, why? |
| 17:54.58 | roland | valdyn well it wants to remove most of my system (Xorg, and lots of other things) |
| 17:55.10 | valdyn | roland: yea, funny |
| 17:55.12 | abrotman | Asad2005: cat file.txt | mail blahblah blah |
| 17:55.46 | valdyn | roland: apt-get remove "wm.*" |
| 17:55.48 | abrotman | epsilon: i'd guess the inner test works .. and exits well .. so is true ? maybe ask #bash |
| 17:55.48 | roland | seriously, can i remove those wm* packages by wildcard? |
| 17:55.54 | roland | valdyn ok thanks |
| 17:55.55 | abrotman | i told you how |
| 17:56.02 | valdyn | roland: thats probably still to much though |
| 17:56.16 | valdyn | roland: apt-get remove "^wm.*" |
| 17:56.17 | Asad2005 | abrotman, you mean cat file.txt | mail user@gmail.com |
| 17:56.30 | abrotman | yep |
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| 17:57.37 | SoulChild | Hey all,... what should i use,... synaptic or adept? |
| 17:58.08 | roland | ok its done |
| 17:58.09 | Asad2005 | abrotman, same no error but no mail in gmail |
| 17:58.09 | roland | thanks |
| 17:58.27 | abrotman | Asad2005: check your junk mail |
| 17:58.47 | valdyn | SoulChild: aptitude |
| 17:58.53 | Asad2005 | abrotman, ok i will try that |
| 17:59.06 | epsilon | ah crap, I've to use numerical comparison |
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| 17:59.58 | wols_ | Asad2005: what does your syslog say? your mail.log? |
| 18:00.29 | blubberdiblub | epsilon: _returns_ true or echoes true? |
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| 18:00.49 | Azar | quitte: it is there, you haven't read all carefully |
| 18:01.10 | Azar | hello mister abrotman :) |
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| 18:01.36 | abrotman | hi |
| 18:03.12 | n3kl | Even my sugested songs dynamic playlist says no tracks were returned to be inserted. |
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| 18:04.44 | Asad2005 | abrotman, ok thanks i had 2 emails but it went to spam folder, i will recheck to see which configuration have worked for me |
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| 18:07.34 | Azar | wtf, there is a kernel security upgrade on the news but I got nothing yet! |
| 18:07.45 | abrotman | your mirror didn't sync yet perhaps |
| 18:08.03 | wols_ | mirrors may take time to mirror |
| 18:08.19 | Azar | ah... thanks |
| 18:08.29 | Azar | yea the article is only 2 hours old |
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| 18:08.48 | cast | is security.debian.org a series of mirrors? or just two servers? |
| 18:08.52 | karsten | Azar: URL? |
| 18:09.20 | karsten | cast: resolve it. IIRC it's round-robin, two hosts. |
| 18:09.31 | Azar | wtf that's the 2.6.8-source I had it last week.. |
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| 18:09.45 | Azar | karsten: http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry1499.html |
| 18:10.00 | quitte | Azar: I read it quite carefully. ca you give me a sentence to search for? |
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| 18:10.32 | cast | karsten: indeed, am trying to understand how mirrors taking to to update would affect security updates |
| 18:10.44 | cast | taking time to* |
| 18:11.02 | quitte | Azar: ok found it |
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| 18:12.28 | Azar | cast: the security update becomes available to you when the mirror you are using is adding it |
| 18:13.04 | Azar | yeah that was available to me last week altogether with the openoffice update |
| 18:13.17 | Azar | five hours installation :) |
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| 18:14.58 | cast | oh, so not everyone has a `deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main` line? |
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| 18:15.19 | cast | and in that case you have to wait until your local mirror gets an updated copy? |
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| 18:15.56 | abrotman | cast: they do .. but there is more than one mirror |
| 18:15.58 | Asad2005 | abrotman, do you know how to force gmail to treat my mails as trusted not spam, I hit the not spam button but when i send mails again they end up on spam folder |
| 18:16.18 | abrotman | Asad2005: nope ... |
| 18:16.49 | lordrich | Asad2005: Gmail uses spf, adding that might help |
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| 18:16.55 | ustunozgur | Asad2005: mails sent from one person only? |
| 18:17.20 | xand | hpw is that debian related? |
| 18:17.45 | Asad2005 | ustunozgur, yes from my linux box |
| 18:18.41 | xand | Asad2005: use a smarthost for sending mail |
| 18:18.46 | wols_ | Asad2005: use gmail as a smarthost |
| 18:18.48 | Asad2005 | lordrich, adding spf where ? |
| 18:19.01 | wols_ | lordrich: it's very unlikely he can do that |
| 18:19.08 | wols_ | Asad2005: in the DNS record for your domain |
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| 18:19.21 | wols_ | Asad2005: the proper way is to use a smartjhost |
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| 18:19.25 | wols_ | *smarthost |
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| 18:20.01 | chapium | what the heck... click the help button under Epiphany's preferences |
| 18:20.11 | valdyn | Asad2005: most destinations will just refuse mail coming from you, gmail is being nice, actually |
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| 18:20.49 | ustunozgur | Asad2005: if you will use it just to send yourself mails (like notifications), you may add yourself as a contact in gmail. |
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| 18:21.14 | Nichevo | I seem to be having a problem, either with some driver or hardware. For some time now IВґve had alot of apic errors filling up my boot log: APIC error on CPU0: 40(40). When idle I get about 9-10 of these every second ( on both 2.6.18.4 and 2.6.21.5 ) . I havenВґt been able to find much through googling so I ask if you got any clue to what strategy I might want to employ to locate the problem ( besides PEBCAK ). Thank you |
| 18:21.29 | Asad2005 | ustunozgur, ok i will try that |
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| 18:21.58 | valdyn | Nichevo: your cpu is overheating? |
| 18:22.15 | Nichevo | no |
| 18:22.20 | Nichevo | itВґs quite cool |
| 18:22.21 | Nichevo | I believe |
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| 18:22.44 | Nichevo | and I get them as we speak |
| 18:25.08 | Nichevo | ItВґs a laptop, so I guess it could be anything, really |
| 18:25.25 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: and the problem just showed up somewhen? it wasn't there at the beginning? |
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| 18:26.18 | Nichevo | I think it showed up in my boot log some time after IВґd set up the system |
| 18:27.00 | Nichevo | itВґs been like this for quite a few weeks now |
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| 18:28.26 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: but right after setting it up, there were no such errors? (if they were, it may be a board or bios bug, if not, it may be some more obscure things, like hardware failing) |
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| 18:29.21 | Nichevo | not immediately I donВґt think |
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| 18:29.44 | valdyn | Nichevo: can you successfully compile a kernel on that notebook? |
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| 18:29.55 | Nichevo | yes |
| 18:30.13 | Nichevo | I compiled the 2.6.21.5 |
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| 18:31.13 | valdyn | !pic |
| 18:31.13 | dpkg | somebody said pic was position independent code |
| 18:31.15 | valdyn | !apic |
| 18:31.16 | dpkg | it has been said that apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 18:31.39 | valdyn | Nichevo: see if disabling apic can shut this off.. |
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| 18:31.57 | Nichevo | hm |
| 18:32.11 | Nichevo | I recall the system stalling when disabling apic |
| 18:32.17 | Nichevo | on boot up |
| 18:32.39 | Nichevo | I might give another go though |
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| 18:35.13 | Nichevo | brb |
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| 18:39.33 | dvs | !ping |
| 18:39.33 | dpkg | pong |
| 18:39.33 | Jerom457 | Pong! |
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| 18:39.48 | xand | you pong! |
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| 18:44.58 | dvs | no cows? |
| 18:45.11 | georgy28 | just cow-boys ;) |
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| 18:46.10 | nunu | are there any problems with wine in unstable ? My xserver keeps crashing |
| 18:46.43 | abrotman | !bts |
| 18:46.43 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 18:47.56 | roxy_ | anyone knows of a computer vision channel ? |
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| 18:48.25 | karsten | roxy_: Sorry? IRC channel? |
| 18:48.38 | roxy_ | karsten: yes #channel |
| 18:48.40 | karsten | roxy_: And define "computer vision". Sounds like an advanced topic. More likely a mailing list. |
| 18:48.52 | karsten | roxy_: /msg chanserv list *pattern* |
| 18:49.08 | roxy_ | karsten: thanks, I didn't know how to search list. |
| 18:49.17 | karsten | roxy_: NP |
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| 18:49.47 | Nichevo | valdyn: disabling APIC got rid of the errors but events/0 peaked at 99% cpu time |
| 18:50.57 | Nichevo | in the log now I can see that they started immediately after initialising agpgart and the radeon module |
| 18:51.39 | Nichevo | with APIC CPU0: 00(40( followed by a very large amount of 40(40) |
| 18:51.40 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: does the board happen to be an ATI as well? |
| 18:51.50 | Nichevo | gpu? |
| 18:51.55 | Nichevo | Mobility radeon 9700 |
| 18:52.03 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: no, the main board |
| 18:52.07 | Nichevo | Sis |
| 18:52.09 | Nichevo | I believe |
| 18:52.11 | Nichevo | 755 |
| 18:52.28 | Nichevo | IВґve had it replaced once already |
| 18:53.00 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: ah, SiS + radeon ... that may cause some trouble ... trying to remember how i solved it back then |
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| 18:53.28 | Nichevo | IВґm never buying from retailer again :P |
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| 18:57.13 | atrus | nm-applet connects fine to my wpa2 ap, but not to unencrypted or wep ap's. how can i troubleshoot/correct this? wifi-radar connects fine, and /var/log/daemon.log seems to suggest that NetworkManager is using wpa_supplicant even for non-wpa networks, if that makes any sense at all. |
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| 18:58.18 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: the sis-agp module has some parameters you might want to play around with: agp_sis_force_delay (set to 1 to try forcing) or agp_sis_agp_spec (set to 0 to try forcing sis init, set to 1 to try forcing generic init) |
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| 18:58.51 | poncha | is there any lib/tool under linux that can convert html file in hebrew (or, supposedly, any non- iso8859-1 -suitable language) into pdf ? |
| 18:59.04 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: alternatively or additionally, you might want to try to reduce the AGP rate to 2x |
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| 18:59.12 | Nichevo | that might be it |
| 18:59.23 | Nichevo | I set it to 8x some time ago |
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| 18:59.38 | Nichevo | since mainboard and gpu both reported supporting it |
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| 19:00.07 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: yeah, they do, but radeon+ati gfx is buggy, unfortunately ... i used to have several hangs |
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| 19:00.25 | cartesian1984 | Salutations. I have a question. I heard once that there was a tool that can be used to customize install CD images, for Debian. Do you guys know of one? |
| 19:00.26 | JordiGH | I want to use this machine as an http proxy for another machine in my local network. How do I do this? |
| 19:00.53 | Nichevo | I donВґt suppose using proprietary driver will help that matter? |
| 19:01.33 | valdyn | Nichevo: having to set 8x already has a large chance that it doesnt work properly |
| 19:02.18 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: no, not that i know of ... it's some timing problem of the sis board which shows up with ati cards. if it is possible to be worked around, someone would have to incorporate a patch to the sis_agp module |
| 19:02.27 | JordiGH | Nothing: Which card? Does ATI's blob even support your card? |
| 19:02.44 | poncha | eh heh.. ps2pdf.com online conversion hits same error i am hitting running ps2pdf locally on my ps file :/ |
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| 19:04.04 | Nichevo | ah yes, I remember seeing some message reporting 'unstable timing source or device hogging interrupt' |
| 19:04.19 | Nichevo | and lost ticks |
| 19:04.30 | Nichevo | occasionally |
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| 19:06.47 | Nichevo | blubberdiblub: where would I set module paramters? ( IВґm just starting out with compiling kernel and modules ) |
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| 19:07.03 | nunu | are there any problems with wine in unstable ? My xserver keeps crashing, and i'm not able to read the bugtracking page, because I simply don't understand it oO |
| 19:07.25 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: you don't have to compile your own, if the supplied kernel already has the module ... try modinfo sis-agp to see if it's there |
| 19:07.52 | nunu | ah well, never mind -.- |
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| 19:08.38 | Teishu | hi |
| 19:08.38 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: or even better, grep CONFIG_AGP_SIS /boot/config-yourcurrentkernelversion |
| 19:08.47 | Nichevo | itВґs loaded |
| 19:08.49 | Nichevo | the module |
| 19:08.59 | Nichevo | listing agp_sis_force_delay as parameter |
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| 19:09.27 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: okay, very good, then make a new file in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 19:09.33 | pagan0ne | has anyone ever managed to get a package stuck in a state 1/2 way between installed and uninstalled in such a manner that it wont do either properly? |
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| 19:09.55 | Nichevo | right |
| 19:10.09 | norc | Is there a way to trace all syscalls invoked by a command? |
| 19:10.16 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: name it, say, Nichevo-agp-sis, and put a line "option agp-sis your_options" in there |
| 19:10.27 | abrotman | norc: strace ? |
| 19:10.30 | norc | abrotman: ah.. |
| 19:10.34 | norc | thanks. |
| 19:10.37 | abrotman | and ltrace might help also |
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| 19:10.48 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: like for example "option agp-sis agp_sis_force_delay=0" |
| 19:11.16 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: then "update-modules" |
| 19:11.16 | Nichevo | cheers |
| 19:11.23 | dvs | blubberdiblub: wrong! |
| 19:11.30 | Nichevo | :O |
| 19:11.34 | dvs | blubberdiblub: update-modules is no longer necessary |
| 19:11.47 | blubberdiblub | dvs: well, but it doesn't hurt, either ;) |
| 19:12.01 | dvs | blubberdiblub: bad for the environment! |
| 19:12.07 | assasukasse | hi, i am installing hamachi, they suggest to create an hamachi group, and an hamachi user..but when i send gpasswd -a hamachi hamachi returns me an error..i am root |
| 19:12.20 | JordiGH | pagan0ne: Yes, that is unfortunately a problem that has happened before. |
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| 19:12.31 | pagan0ne | JordiGH: how do you fix it? |
| 19:12.37 | holgerp | hello can somebody help me with openswan? |
| 19:12.46 | Nichevo | blubberdiblub: I assume 0 is default so I want to try 1? |
| 19:12.59 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: and then "modprobe -r sis-agp ; modprobe sis-agp" if that's possible (maybe not while you're using X), but i rather recommend rebooting |
| 19:13.10 | dvs | holgerp: somebody could if they knew what the problem was |
| 19:13.22 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: ah, yes, sorry, you#re right :) i was already referring to the other option *g* |
| 19:13.28 | Nichevo | hehe |
| 19:13.28 | norc | assasukasse: If you actually paste the error somebody might be able to assist you. |
| 19:13.34 | Nichevo | right then |
| 19:13.38 | holgerp | i get the following error: enabled inteface not found |
| 19:13.41 | Nichevo | IВґll reboot |
| 19:13.44 | holgerp | ipsec manual: fatal error in "uni1-uni2": no IPsec-enabled interfaces found |
| 19:13.50 | Nichevo | that should load it with the right parameter, rihgt/ |
| 19:13.51 | holgerp | what can i do? |
| 19:13.52 | assasukasse | gpasswd: user В«userВ» unknown |
| 19:14.04 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: yep |
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| 19:14.17 | norc | assasukasse: you actually dont need to create an additional user and group |
| 19:14.29 | assasukasse | norc? |
| 19:14.31 | norc | assasukasse: but it's closed source, useradd |
| 19:15.26 | assasukasse | norc i think that this hamachi still requests too much fiddling..i will just go with a good old reverse ssh |
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| 19:15.45 | norc | assasukasse: I dont know what you mean, I never really used hamachi. |
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| 19:16.21 | nvz | gesuendhiet |
| 19:16.45 | baldie | How do I check the free diskspace on hdc in my debian console? |
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| 19:16.52 | abrotman | free |
| 19:16.55 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 19:16.55 | nvz | baldie: df -Th |
| 19:16.56 | abrotman | df |
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| 19:17.06 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: i'm sorry, i had another typo in the option line ... it should read sis-agp of course |
| 19:17.11 | Nichevo | yea |
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| 19:17.16 | Nichevo | and true I believe >< |
| 19:17.19 | Nichevo | not 1 |
| 19:17.21 | Nichevo | bool |
| 19:17.32 | pagan0ne | might i purpose a fix to the dpkg breaking the system problem when a directory or file that is expected to exist doesnt actually exist? instead of erroring out, ask the user if they would just like to skip removing the missing files or directorys? |
| 19:17.32 | blubberdiblub | no, 1 should work |
| 19:17.40 | Nichevo | k |
| 19:17.42 | abrotman | nvz: i will NOT take any beer .. i've had enough in the last four nights |
| 19:17.53 | baldie | okay.. is it good if "df -Th" tells me that each disk has a negative size? |
| 19:18.00 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: but if that particular option solves the problem, remains to be seen ... |
| 19:18.13 | Nichevo | didnВґt seem to |
| 19:18.14 | nvz | abrotman: blah.. take a pee.. you can never have enough beer |
| 19:18.25 | abrotman | nvz: no .. really .. i mean *a lot* |
| 19:18.36 | nvz | baldie: a negative size? heh |
| 19:18.37 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: you already rebooted or unloaded/loaded the module? |
| 19:18.43 | Nichevo | reboot |
| 19:18.59 | cartesian1984 | I kinda want to be able to chroot to a debian-installer CD and add packages, but that isn't possible. Or some other method which involves quick resolution of dependencies. Any ideas? |
| 19:19.08 | poncha | anyone aware of debian mirrors in israel? |
| 19:19.12 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: okay, still 2 more options and one agp rate reduction to go ;) |
| 19:19.24 | Nichevo | ^^ |
| 19:19.25 | baldie | nvz: .. it says my hdc size is: -15471455151925k, and that I have used 1.0k and that there is 0.0k free space... and it calculates that to be 52% |
| 19:19.28 | julio14 | chicos tengo un problema los programas multimedia no me estan cargando uso el escritorio gnome y aqui esta el pastebin http://rafb.net/p/DwmGPF78.html |
| 19:19.32 | abrotman | nvz: apparently out of about 350$ i got from the ATM since friday .. i've got about 100 left :) |
| 19:19.43 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:19.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:19.45 | Nichevo | oh... I forgot to set it.. lol |
| 19:19.50 | Nichevo | itВґs set to 0 |
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| 19:20.35 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: heh :) and maybe make sure that there's no backup file left in the dir ... i don't know if modprobe accounts for excluding them automatically |
| 19:20.35 | nvz | abrotman: ah, well you're money is good here.. and I'm taking donations |
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| 19:20.43 | abrotman | heheh |
| 19:20.49 | JordiGH | !tell julio14 about debian-multimedia |
| 19:20.51 | abrotman | nvz: that wasn't all beer though |
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| 19:21.05 | Nichevo | backup of what? |
| 19:21.14 | Nichevo | the file I just created |
| 19:21.15 | julio14 | my multimedia programs are no loding here is the pastebin chicos tengo un problema los programas multimedia no me estan cargando uso el escritorio gnome y aqui esta el pastebin http://rafb.net/p/DwmGPF78.html |
| 19:21.31 | Nichevo | nop... rebooting |
| 19:21.37 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: like if you changed the file with an editor, most of them leave a backup ending in ~ behind |
| 19:21.38 | karsten | !es |
| 19:21.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:21.53 | fluxdude | I'm trying to get my Zyxel G-202 usb wifi device working, and have got the zd1211 and zd1201 and the firmware loaded but I still don't see an device in iwconfig |
| 19:21.53 | karsten | julio14: Your english is very hard to understand. |
| 19:21.54 | baldie | how do I check a disk for errors? |
| 19:22.04 | abrotman | chkdsk |
| 19:22.07 | abrotman | erm .. fdisk |
| 19:22.08 | nvz | karsten: his english is in spanish, thats why :P |
| 19:22.12 | abrotman | god .. i need to go back to bed |
| 19:22.19 | nvz | not hard for me to understand, but then again I understand spanish |
| 19:22.27 | julio14 | sorry l copy the wrong text |
| 19:22.31 | karsten | nvz: In large part. |
| 19:22.32 | dvs | fsck? |
| 19:22.33 | abrotman | nvz: odd .. i can barely understand half of what you say :) |
| 19:22.40 | abrotman | dvs: YES! |
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| 19:22.46 | karsten | nvz: Pardon? |
| 19:22.48 | dvs | !beer me |
| 19:22.56 | Azar | have a sweet sleep abrotman |
| 19:23.06 | abrotman | Azar: it's only 1530 here .. i'm not sleeping |
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| 19:23.16 | julio14 | my multimedia programs are not loading here is the pastebin http://rafb.net/p/DwmGPF78.html |
| 19:23.19 | Azar | abrotman: well if you feel tired.. |
| 19:23.29 | JordiGH | julio14: What are you doing? Why does xfmedia have anything to do with it? Why are you using it with Gnome? Why do you even have a .kde directory? |
| 19:23.38 | dvs | s/he's/hits |
| 19:23.53 | JordiGH | julio14: Why are you root? None of this makes any sense. |
| 19:24.01 | abrotman | Azar: i can't .. i'd wake up at 11pm and not be able to sleep again |
| 19:24.07 | baldie | chkdsk is not on my system? and how do i check a disk for errors with fdisk? (I thought that was only for partition management...) |
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| 19:24.21 | abrotman | baldie: it's fsck .. |
| 19:24.21 | ignotus | hello, is it possible to deny ssh in ability to some of my local users? I have SSHd on my machine, and I only want only users X, Y and Z to be able to ssh into the machine, and not A B and C. |
| 19:24.22 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: like when you changed the file with an editor, most of them leave a backup ending in ~ behind |
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| 19:24.27 | Nichevo | yeah |
| 19:24.28 | dvs | abrotman: so... we're so boring we put you to sleep? |
| 19:24.31 | Nichevo | none of them around |
| 19:24.41 | abrotman | ignotus: man sshd_config |
| 19:24.43 | wfox | anybody here use apt-build? |
| 19:24.57 | wfox | Does anybody here use distcc? |
| 19:25.01 | julio14 | ok thanks l dont know why it says kde l dont even have kde in my computer |
| 19:25.04 | nvz | yeah well I just woke up an hour ago and I definatly feel like I could sleep again |
| 19:25.09 | abrotman | dvs: i haven't slept more than like 6 hours .. since .. tuesday . maybe? |
| 19:25.13 | Thms | how to know the RAM usage ? |
| 19:25.13 | JordiGH | blubberdiblub: I thought only Emacs did the ~ backup thing. Which infidel editor does this too? |
| 19:25.15 | dvs | o_O |
| 19:25.17 | ignotus | abrotman: AllowUsers seems to be what I need, thaaaaaanks |
| 19:25.22 | Nichevo | blubberdiblub: how would I check that the parameter has been set properly? |
| 19:25.32 | julio14 | and l have the same problem with totem |
| 19:25.36 | blubberdiblub | JordiGH: many ... joe for example |
| 19:26.02 | wfox | /channels |
| 19:26.09 | abrotman | ignotus: or DenyUsers |
| 19:26.10 | JordiGH | blubberdiblub: Which popular editor? ;-) |
| 19:26.15 | Nichevo | :p |
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| 19:26.16 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: hmm, the module should load then without errors. otherwise at least dmesg or syslog would complain, i guess |
| 19:26.18 | abrotman | wfox: ask a better question .. don't poll |
| 19:26.36 | wfox | i'd like to know if someone here use apt-build |
| 19:26.40 | blubberdiblub | JordiGH: no idea ;) i always hid from popularity *g* |
| 19:26.40 | abrotman | why?> |
| 19:26.46 | JordiGH | julio14: Why are you attempting to run xfmedia as root? |
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| 19:26.54 | wfox | because i am having problems to config apt-build to work together with distcc |
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| 19:27.15 | baldie | I'm trying to unmount my /home partition to check it... it says that it is busy.. can I see what app uses it, or should I force it off? |
| 19:27.19 | Nichevo | blubberdiblub: well, dmesg isnВґt of much use as itВґs filled with the apic error |
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| 19:27.26 | yangvnc | Is the maximum bitrate limited to 112000 bauds between bluetooth phone and laptop? |
| 19:27.34 | wfox | I am trying to do the same functionality that emerge+distcc, but using apt-build+distcc |
| 19:27.35 | julio14 | just to see if it load because is not loading with the normal user! |
| 19:27.41 | abrotman | wfox: maybe you can set CC in the conf file for apt-build ? |
| 19:28.03 | wfox | I try it, but, how can I call features distcc |
| 19:28.13 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: try /var/log/dmesg instead ...and grep it for sis (case insensitively) |
| 19:28.19 | wfox | on gentoo i use MAKEOPTS=numer of job. |
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| 19:28.32 | wfox | on gentoo I do the same, but usingo make_options... |
| 19:28.35 | JordiGH | baldie: Us lsof to see who's using /home. |
| 19:28.41 | JordiGH | use |
| 19:28.57 | baldie | thx.. it was samba |
| 19:28.58 | wfox | but, on gentoo make,conf, use FEATURES=distcc to use it |
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| 19:29.11 | wfox | but in apt-build.conf, what is this option? |
| 19:30.09 | wfox | google doesn't help me |
| 19:30.19 | Nichevo | blubberdiblub: nothing interesting there.. except possibly itВґs enabling SiS 96x |
| 19:30.25 | JordiGH | julio14: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=522471 |
| 19:30.28 | wfox | i didn't find any material about it, working together |
| 19:30.33 | nvz | google doesn't like everybody |
| 19:30.56 | JordiGH | julio14: Looks like you've been using root too much. |
| 19:30.58 | Marenz | damn. i need the 3 root of 64 and this calc thing says 64^(1/3) Error 10036 |
| 19:31.11 | wfox | and I'm trying to do it correctly since saturday nigth |
| 19:31.12 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: hmm, and the /v/l/dmesg might be too early a log anyways ... the sis-agp may be fired up later. then syslog would be the best bet |
| 19:31.12 | wfox | =( |
| 19:31.16 | Nichevo | blubberdiblub: that would be my ISA bus lspci reports... probably nothing |
| 19:31.25 | julio14 | thanks dude l love you lol |
| 19:31.28 | abrotman | wfox: try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:31.50 | nvz | wfox: what the hell are you trying to do? you can't hardly come into #debian and expect us to know what gentoo features do. |
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| 19:31.56 | JordiGH | Marenz: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=64%5E%281%2F3%29&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
| 19:32.08 | abrotman | nvz: trying to use distcc to build debian packages |
| 19:32.16 | Marenz | oh i forgot google :D ty |
| 19:32.31 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: but the module is currently loaded, right? |
| 19:32.33 | yangvnc | Is the maximum bitrate limited to 112000 bauds between bluetooth phone and laptop usb bluetoth dongle ? |
| 19:32.46 | abrotman | ask google |
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| 19:32.55 | wfox | my god....it isn't gentoo facility |
| 19:32.59 | wfox | it is gcc facily |
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| 19:33.07 | wfox | and apt-build is debian's facility |
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| 19:33.14 | h3sp4wn | wfox: use pbuilder |
| 19:33.25 | h3sp4wn | http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/pbuilder_backports/advpbuilder.html |
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| 19:34.00 | nvz | I'm in a crabby ass mood.. I wanna go pull the 200amp circuit breaker out and throw it out in the road in front of a bus so I can get back to sleep |
| 19:34.03 | Nichevo | blubberdiblub: if so it should be in lsmod, right? |
| 19:34.10 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: yep |
| 19:34.15 | Nichevo | itВґs not |
| 19:34.18 | Nichevo | :| |
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| 19:34.48 | Nichevo | there are several sis modules |
| 19:34.50 | Nichevo | but not agp |
| 19:35.06 | julio14 | JordiGH thanks my problem was that l have the ESD sounds enable :) |
| 19:35.13 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: and you're running X right now? otherwise it might not have been needed yet (due to kmod automatic module loading) |
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| 19:35.27 | Nichevo | yes |
| 19:35.28 | JordiGH | julio14: Good thing. |
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| 19:35.35 | Nichevo | X is definitely up |
| 19:35.54 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: okay, then there is probably something wrong with the options |
| 19:36.19 | JordiGH | So how can I redirect all http traffic from another machine in my local network through this machine I'm currently using. |
| 19:36.33 | Nichevo | I compiled it so anything might be wrong |
| 19:36.47 | abrotman | JordiGH: iptables |
| 19:36.56 | cydork | JordiGH: ipmasq? |
| 19:37.02 | Nichevo | Perhaps I might want to revert to 2.6.18 precomiled? |
| 19:37.09 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: nah, not if you hardly changed the config |
| 19:37.26 | Nichevo | well, I kinda did |
| 19:38.03 | Nichevo | SiS was the only thing I remember leaving in there, though |
| 19:38.05 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: well, try that then, or just hop on to the next option to try out |
| 19:38.09 | JordiGH | cydork, abrotman, which one? |
| 19:38.43 | Nichevo | brb |
| 19:38.46 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: (which would be agp_sis_agp_spec=0, if i'm not out of sync) |
| 19:38.55 | Nichevo | yeah |
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| 19:39.52 | cydork | JordiGH: ipmasq is the package name which do this .. |
| 19:40.12 | Nichevo | in syslog there are several thousands of that error... that got to have an impact |
| 19:40.57 | JordiGH | cydork: Is it reasonably quick to do this? Can I get it done in ten minutes or so? I'm trying to circumvent my sysadmin's networking schemes. Alternatively, if it were possible to report a different MAC address to the network than the one the card has, that would be good too. |
| 19:41.05 | abrotman | cydork: that does more than he wants .. but will do it |
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| 19:41.10 | JordiGH | I think the DNS server assigns me an IP based on my MAC address. |
| 19:41.25 | cydork | abrotman: true, i just read the backlog.. |
| 19:41.46 | cydork | JordiGH: ipmasq is easy to setup.. /msg dpkg ipmasq |
| 19:42.17 | JordiGH | Great. A HOWTO. :-) |
| 19:42.47 | wols_ | JordiGH: mac can be changed via ifconfig |
| 19:42.56 | wols_ | and if you run ipmasq, look into dnsmasq as well |
| 19:43.02 | Spyro_boy | if I remove the duplicates of startx and just make them into links, will that break anything? |
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| 19:43.18 | abrotman | why do you have duplicates ? |
| 19:43.26 | Spyro_boy | 6b1d096d8e246c964e5352816a501a2c /usr/bin/startx ; 6b1d096d8e246c964e5352816a501a2c /usr/X11R6/bin/startx ; 6b1d096d8e246c964e5352816a501a2c /usr/bin/X11/startx |
| 19:43.28 | Spyro_boy | Look. |
| 19:43.38 | Spyro_boy | root@litestar:~# whereis startx |
| 19:43.38 | Spyro_boy | startx: /usr/bin/startx /usr/X11R6/bin/startx /usr/bin/X11/startx /usr/share/man/man1/startx.1.gz |
| 19:43.38 | wols_ | Spyro_boy: dpkg -S /path/to/startx |
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| 19:44.13 | JordiGH | Hrm. I don't really know how to use ifconfig or iptables and or ipmasq. If there isn't a way to do this without learning something I don't already know... then I guess I'll have to learn how to use one of those. |
| 19:44.20 | Spyro_boy | I see. |
| 19:44.31 | Spyro_boy | dpkg -s reports the usr/bin one to exist. |
| 19:44.31 | dpkg | You Fool! reports the usr/bin one to exist. is installed! |
| 19:44.36 | Spyro_boy | .. |
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| 19:44.58 | JordiGH | dpkg -s The quick brown fox... |
| 19:44.58 | dpkg | You Fool! The quick brown fox... is installed! |
| 19:45.05 | dvs | heh |
| 19:45.13 | dvs | where's the lazy dog? |
| 19:45.13 | Spyro_boy | Seems that /usr/bin/startx is the only valid one. |
| 19:45.13 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: oh, and you might try a gfx-intensiv game to check if it's really the sis+ati timing problem ... it would lock up the system on some games (not everytime tho) |
| 19:45.18 | cydork | JordiGH: ipmasq possibly the easiest way! |
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| 19:45.24 | blubberdiblub | intensive even |
| 19:45.32 | wols_ | JordiGH: ipmasq is easy. all you need to do ist apt-get it |
| 19:45.50 | Nichevo | blubberdiblub: it seems that module is never loade |
| 19:45.50 | Nichevo | d |
| 19:45.54 | JordiGH | cydork: Do both machines need to install it? If so, I'll have to figure out how to install it on the Ubuntu lappy whose traffic I'm trying to reroute. |
| 19:46.03 | wols_ | JordiGH: you need to set proper IPs on client and NAt-router tho |
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| 19:46.20 | JordiGH | Kay. I'll get it. |
| 19:46.26 | wols_ | JordiGH: only the nat router needs ipmasq. client only needs proper IP settings (no dhcp by default) |
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| 19:46.30 | blubberdiblub | blubberdiblub: not at all? but i was loaded before you set up the options, right? |
| 19:46.59 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: even ;) |
| 19:47.15 | JordiGH | The client needs to have the same IP address as the computer I'm currently using. Or at least one in the same range, I think. |
| 19:47.17 | Nichevo | :P |
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| 19:47.27 | Nichevo | I donВґt think so |
| 19:47.33 | Nichevo | we never checked |
| 19:47.33 | Nichevo | lol |
| 19:47.41 | baldie | !pastebin |
| 19:47.41 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 19:48.41 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: oh, okay, but agpgart is loaded? |
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| 19:49.47 | Nichevo | yes |
| 19:49.56 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: and the /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't report problems concerning agp or agpgart? |
| 19:50.06 | baldie | My df -Thm outputs this; http://paste.lisp.org/display/42912 ... it seems rather corrupt? I just did a fsck on /dev/hdc5 and mounted again, but it apparently fixed nothing..?!? |
| 19:50.22 | baldie | any clues? |
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| 19:51.10 | Nichevo | no |
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| 19:52.06 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: okay, then just screw the options file *g* you might simply try a lower agp rate then, and maybe try the kernel boot options regarding APIC |
| 19:52.49 | JordiGH | Ack, how much of this do I have to understand in order to setup the damn thing: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/firewall-examples.html |
| 19:52.59 | Nichevo | blubberdiblub: trying 4x |
| 19:53.36 | blubberdiblub | blubberdiblub: set it in the bios, if possible, as well as in xorg.conf, just to be sure |
| 19:55.01 | blubberdiblub | oops, i did it again ;P |
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| 19:57.45 | wols_ | JordiGH: nothing at all. why don't you listen? |
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| 19:58.16 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: you can "lspci -vv | grep -i rate" to check if both, the board and the card are really at the new rate |
| 19:58.20 | JordiGH | wols_: I did listen. I was told to ask dpkg, and dpkg told me to read that HOWTO. |
| 19:58.39 | Nichevo | nice.. |
| 19:59.06 | wols_ | I told you time and again, just like others, to install ipmasq |
| 19:59.11 | wols_ | so no, you did not listen |
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| 19:59.13 | JordiGH | wols_: ipmasq is now installed on this machine. This machine has ip address 10.10.3.217. I want a machine that has address 10.10.100.* to reroute its traffic through the 10.10.3.217 machine, which. |
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| 19:59.33 | JordiGH | wols_: It's installed. It's not as if the other machine is now magically working and rerouting its http traffic through this one. |
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| 20:00.40 | wols_ | JordiGH: I told you you need to set IPs right |
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| 20:00.59 | JordiGH | wols_: So what? I tell the other machine that its ip address is 10.10.3.217? |
| 20:01.06 | wols_ | JordiGH: what has your 2nd NIC for an IP? |
| 20:01.26 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: since the ati driver might try to be smart and set up a higher rate anyways ... |
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| 20:01.55 | poncha | how can i setup cups if i dont run X ? |
| 20:02.05 | poncha | i mean... add/remove printer etc ? |
| 20:02.10 | wols_ | poncha: connect to localhost:631 with a webbrowser |
| 20:02.14 | poncha | oh |
| 20:02.15 | poncha | :) |
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| 20:02.24 | tuv | my optical digital audio out randomly stops working and comes back after muting digital out in alsamixer and sometimes only after a reboot! |
| 20:02.40 | Nichevo | blubberdiblub: both cards report 4,8 rate capability |
| 20:02.45 | Nichevo | and set to 4 |
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| 20:02.54 | Nichevo | same with agpgart in log |
| 20:03.03 | poncha | wols_, thanks :) |
| 20:03.03 | tuv | built-in audio on asus p5b deluxe: snd_hda_intel |
| 20:03.10 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: okay, but the errors didn't vanish, i suspect? |
| 20:03.12 | JordiGH | wols_: Which apparently is a bad idea. :-) |
| 20:03.20 | Nichevo | spot on |
| 20:03.39 | Nichevo | hm |
| 20:03.45 | Nichevo | now |
| 20:03.51 | wols_ | JordiGH: wgat is a bad idea? |
| 20:03.52 | Nichevo | difference between AGP3 and AGP? |
| 20:04.05 | wols_ | 22:01 < wols_> JordiGH: what has your 2nd NIC for an IP? |
| 20:04.27 | JordiGH | wols_: Oh, I guess I got disconnected before you saw the response: It had 10.10.100.181. I just used knetworkmanager to manually set it to 10.10.3.217 |
| 20:04.40 | JordiGH | 10.10.3.217 is the current machine that can see the internets. |
| 20:04.40 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: dunno ... maybe protocol differences |
| 20:05.15 | wols_ | JordiGH: and the 2nd NIC in that machine? |
| 20:05.39 | Nichevo | well.. ItВґs set to AGP but capabilities says AGP3 |
| 20:05.44 | Nichevo | donВґt know if that matters |
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| 20:06.11 | JordiGH | wols_: There isn't a second card on the 10.10.3 machine. |
| 20:06.31 | wols_ | then it will not work (tm) |
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| 20:06.53 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: there still are the kernel parameters ... like enable_timer_pin_1, disable_timer_pin_1, disable_8254_timer, enable_8254_timer. and maybe apic=verbose or apic=debug in order to raise the verbosity of the apic part |
| 20:06.54 | JordiGH | wols_: Am I requesting an impossible situation? I can ssh into the 10.10.3 machine. The 10.10.3 machine can see the internets, the 10.10.100 can't. |
| 20:07.26 | wols_ | JordiGH: it's not impossible but quite hard and ugly |
| 20:07.30 | abrotman | maybe with a virtual NIC |
| 20:07.43 | wols_ | JordiGH: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7175 |
| 20:07.46 | wols_ | abrotman: yes |
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| 20:09.46 | tuv | how do i access the host filesystem from a qemu guest os? -smb does not seem to work on debian |
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| 20:12.07 | JordiGH | wols_: I'm not sure what to make of that article? I have very little information about the network I'm on. Sysadmin assigns 10.10.3.* addresses to grad students and assigns certain privileges to them. Then sysadmin assigns 10.10.100.* to Joe Blows whose MAC address (I think) the DNS server doesn't recognise. Well, the Ubuntu lappy doesn't belong to Joe Blow, but to a grad student. |
| 20:12.28 | helo_ | is there a way to reinstall a package and all dependencies of it up to so many levels deep? |
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| 20:12.56 | helo_ | im having a problem with xine and amarok (installed from svn) crashing instantly when they start up |
| 20:13.03 | wireddd | JordiGH: sounds like you need to use dhcp |
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| 20:13.35 | sts | hello folks |
| 20:13.36 | wols_ | JordiGH: you will assign your ubuntu a static IP , neither in any of those subnets. choose a 192.168.x.x IP isntead |
| 20:13.45 | wols_ | JordiGH: so you can neve collide with legitimate IPs |
| 20:13.56 | sts | I've got an urgent issue with postfix. can anyone please help? |
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| 20:14.27 | sts | I'm trying to send a message from a local user to another user hosted at another site. |
| 20:14.38 | sts | I see the following in my logs; |
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| 20:14.42 | sts | Jun 17 21:23:20 outback postfix/smtpd[4110]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mx.foo.com[1.2.3.4]: 550 5.1.1 <somewhere@other.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table; from=<somewhere@foo.com> to=<somewhere@other.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<localhost> |
| 20:14.46 | sts | Jun 17 21:23:20 outback postfix/smtpd[4110]: > mx.foo.com[1.2.3.4]: 550 5.1.1 <somewhere@other.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table |
| 20:14.47 | valdyn | helo_: why dont you use the debian packages? |
| 20:14.49 | wireddd | JordiGH: go get a second network card |
| 20:15.02 | JordiGH | wireddd: Like, right now? |
| 20:15.04 | wireddd | JordiGH: or a cheap router |
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| 20:17.24 | JordiGH | Oh. I manually set the IP address to a high 10.10.3.* number. But it could collide? |
| 20:17.38 | wireddd | yes |
| 20:17.48 | wireddd | what you are doing is a bad idea |
| 20:18.34 | wireddd | why don't you just get the admin to give you another ip address? |
| 20:18.55 | wols_ | JordiGH: yes it could. |
| 20:19.07 | bolt | where can I set my keymap in console after install? |
| 20:19.12 | JordiGH | Because it's a Sunday, the admin is rarely here, and he's often stoned when he is here. |
| 20:19.25 | JordiGH | But that's none of your concern. ;-) |
| 20:19.45 | wols_ | wireddd: it will work fine if done right. of course the admin will be pissed when/if he finds out |
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| 20:20.16 | vladuz976 | how do you get rid of gdm with the default installation? |
| 20:20.30 | JordiGH | vladuz976: aptitude remove gdm |
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| 20:20.43 | wols_ | vladuz976: apt-get rmeove gdm |
| 20:21.11 | intelikey | if a fellow wanted to keep a log of every connection (sites visited, ssh addressing...) via a modem device what would you sujest he use ? is there a connection monitor that can do this ? |
| 20:21.25 | vladuz976 | wols_: JordiGH: that takes gnome-desktop-environment with it |
| 20:21.45 | karsten | intelikey: You could create a logging rule via iptables. |
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| 20:22.13 | karsten | intelikey: it would log access by client system, not by user though. |
| 20:22.19 | JordiGH | vladuz976: Not a big deal. It's a metapacakge. |
| 20:22.22 | intelikey | karsten ah yes. most excelent iptables... good call. |
| 20:22.22 | h3sp4wn | intelikey: You could use dsniff to get the url's maybe other stuff |
| 20:22.28 | vladuz976 | JordiGH: oh ok |
| 20:22.41 | h3sp4wn | intelikey: urlsnarf -i eth0 (or whatever) |
| 20:22.52 | intelikey | ppp0 yes. |
| 20:23.01 | karsten | intelikey: Alternatively, a web proxy (such as squid) will track (and report) history. I think that'll give you per-user access. |
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| 20:23.24 | karsten | intelikey: Only works for http and ftp though (and SSL/TSL variants of same), not ssh, etc.). |
| 20:23.56 | intelikey | karsten ok but iptables should be able to log addresses of ssh correct ? |
| 20:24.19 | karsten | intelikey: *any* network traffic specifiable by rules, yes. |
| 20:24.33 | wols_ | vladuz976: and? that's a meta package |
| 20:24.35 | intelikey | k got it. thanks |
| 20:25.47 | Scurz | With apache2.conf, it's not possible to put "ErrorDocument 404 "<p><img src="test.png" alt="" /></p>"" ? |
| 20:26.18 | jakub_ | http://aktualne.centrum.cz/video/?id=92965 |
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| 20:27.30 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 20:27.57 | solemnwarning | I'm planning on building a distcc cluster with directories such as /bin, /lib and /usr shared between the machines with somthing like NFS |
| 20:28.14 | solemnwarning | Does NFS offer read caching or would it be a huge performance hit? |
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| 20:28.54 | xand | it does some kind of caching |
| 20:29.15 | solemnwarning | So it wouldan't be reading things like cpp and gcc from the server for every compile? |
| 20:29.37 | wols_ | solemnwarning: linux itself has a diskcache it uses |
| 20:29.49 | raboof | I'm using testing, and i'm having some dependency troubles with the move of add-shell from passwd to debianutils |
| 20:29.53 | solemnwarning | O |
| 20:29.55 | solemnwarning | wols_: Ah |
| 20:30.10 | solemnwarning | Will that cache NFS filesystems though? |
| 20:30.21 | raboof | it seems I cannot install the new debianutils because i still have the old passwd, but I cannot install the new passwd because I don't have the new debianutils yet |
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| 20:30.26 | Nichevo | blubberdiblub: IВґm not sure anymore which module is loaded for the card.. canВґt find any |
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| 20:30.50 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: If you are just going to have what you need you could just have it all in an initramfs and boot over the network (keep it in ram) |
| 20:31.04 | Nichevo | however thereВґs only an error every few seconds now |
| 20:31.05 | solemnwarning | I don't have that much ram |
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| 20:31.18 | solemnwarning | I'm building it from spares I have lying around |
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| 20:31.34 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: well, X usually doesn't need to make use of any gfx driver modules from the kernel, apart from the agpgart stuff, since it has it's own ways to access the hardware |
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| 20:32.06 | Eulex | blubberdiblub, emh. wrong. drm modules too for 3d accel. |
| 20:32.09 | Nichevo | the mainboard, that is |
| 20:32.12 | Nichevo | (? ) |
| 20:32.25 | blubberdiblub | Eulex: yeah, right |
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| 20:32.37 | Nichevo | oh wait |
| 20:32.40 | Nichevo | >< |
| 20:32.49 | raboof | should I just install the new passwd with dpkg and force-depends ? |
| 20:33.00 | Eulex | blubberdiblub, including the card specific module |
| 20:34.30 | blubberdiblub | Eulex: yeah, indeed. i was not thinking about drm. but i tried to say, that it doesn't need the framebuffer modules, unless of course you tell X to do so ;) |
| 20:35.48 | Eulex | blubberdiblub, indeed |
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| 20:36.46 | Nichevo | what if you use (AI)GLX? |
| 20:36.49 | flyinprogramer | hola all |
| 20:36.53 | Nichevo | howdy |
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| 20:38.04 | flyinprogramer | so lenny huh |
| 20:38.11 | flyinprogramer | here's what i don't understand |
| 20:38.15 | flyinprogramer | debian linux works |
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| 20:38.20 | flyinprogramer | are there bugs in it? |
| 20:38.34 | blubberdiblub | Nichevo: anyway, would be nice to know if the problem is gfx-related at all ... do you have a gfx-intensive game at hand to see if it locks up or something? |
| 20:38.36 | Eulex | what do you mean? |
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| 20:38.42 | flyinprogramer | does a linux os ever stop developing ? |
| 20:38.58 | flyinprogramer | like ok.... what's wrong with etch, that they then have to create Lenny |
| 20:39.04 | Nichevo | um.. not really with no 3d acceleration |
| 20:39.10 | Nichevo | does compiz count |
| 20:39.12 | Nichevo | lol |
| 20:39.20 | rsk | flyinprogramer: you can always improve stuff. |
| 20:39.31 | solemnwarning | flyinprogramer: You can have a never-changing system when you take every programmers text editor and compiler from their cold, lifeless hands :P |
| 20:39.44 | flyinprogramer | hahahaha |
| 20:39.45 | Nichevo | 2d acceleration is ok |
| 20:39.53 | Nichevo | IВґve been playing frets on fire a lot |
| 20:40.04 | drincle | could anyone tell me where you set how many boots fsck is run, i think the default is 30 and i would like to change it to 5 |
| 20:40.17 | solemnwarning | Is a P2 fast enough for NFS+NTP server? |
| 20:40.23 | flyinprogramer | solemnwarning: i believe you only have to take 1 out of 2 of those objects to cause development to stop |
| 20:40.32 | solemnwarning | It's going to host the bins and libs for all the machines in a distcc cluster |
| 20:40.34 | flyinprogramer | any rumor of any cool new features? |
| 20:41.06 | flyinprogramer | solemnwarning: that should be fast enough |
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| 20:41.32 | Eulex | flyinprogramer, you don't _need_ to have a compiler to develop software. you could write machine code. |
| 20:41.32 | flyinprogramer | a friend of mine made a distcc cluster with p1s last summer |
| 20:41.43 | blubberdiblub | drincle: do you mean like with "tune2fs -i your_new_interval /dev/yourpartition" ? |
| 20:41.50 | solemnwarning | flyinprogramer: With all the bins and libs on a single machine? :) |
| 20:41.50 | flyinprogramer | Eulex: ok, that's officially insane |
| 20:42.04 | flyinprogramer | solemnwarning: nope, he was actually using Gentoo |
| 20:42.05 | busfahrer | flyinprogramer: pls? |
| 20:42.08 | solemnwarning | flyinprogramer: How do you think stuff was written before compilers? |
| 20:42.14 | flyinprogramer | o i know |
| 20:42.19 | flyinprogramer | i'm still saying, that's insane |
| 20:42.19 | Eulex | flyinprogramer, for which a hex editor is enough. you don't need any text editor. and well, this is what they did before all compilers. |
| 20:42.20 | solemnwarning | Everything used to be written in ASM :P |
| 20:42.34 | flyinprogramer | yah yah |
| 20:42.37 | h3sp4wn | Asm is still significantly easier to write than machine code |
| 20:42.37 | flyinprogramer | still insane |
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| 20:42.47 | flyinprogramer | still insane |
| 20:42.47 | Eulex | asm requires a compiler |
| 20:42.54 | Nichevo | assembler? |
| 20:42.58 | solemnwarning | Eulex: An assembler, not a compiler :) |
| 20:42.59 | busfahrer | ASM requires an assembler. |
| 20:43.04 | tarzeau | Eulex: i remember people typing in in hexadecimal, machine code |
| 20:43.08 | Eulex | solemnwarning, well, yes |
| 20:43.08 | busfahrer | Compilers just produce ASM code, usually. |
| 20:43.13 | solemnwarning | tarzeau: You are _OLD_ |
| 20:43.13 | h3sp4wn | an assembler isn't a compiler |
| 20:43.17 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: 29? |
| 20:43.23 | solemnwarning | Yes |
| 20:43.28 | flyinprogramer | old |
| 20:43.34 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: actually, that's how i patched dos com executables :) |
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| 20:43.38 | eisen | the people did not type, they punched in machine code :P |
| 20:43.44 | tarzeau | you know, unlimited lifes and so on :) |
| 20:43.49 | flyinprogramer | mawh dos |
| 20:44.02 | tarzeau | flyinprogramer: i'm too young |
| 20:44.02 | blubberdiblub | drincle: or rather "tune2fs -c 5 /dev/yourpartition", as you were referring to the number, not the time |
| 20:44.07 | thp | are there no sparc build daemons or is there just some other error that prevents a package of mine from being built on sparc? |
| 20:44.17 | tarzeau | thp: i got a sparc. what pkg? |
| 20:44.23 | drincle | blubberdiblub: yes, thanks |
| 20:44.26 | tarzeau | thp: checked the build logs already? |
| 20:44.29 | thp | tarzeau: wavbreaker |
| 20:44.35 | tarzeau | flyinprogramer: no thanks |
| 20:44.39 | tarzeau | flyinprogramer: i prefer OPENSTEP 4.2 |
| 20:44.43 | flyinprogramer | hahaha |
| 20:44.50 | solemnwarning | wtf is OPENSTEP? |
| 20:45.07 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: check the screenshots or wikipedia: http://gnu.ethz.ch/www.levenez.com/ |
| 20:45.10 | tarzeau | !OPENSTEP |
| 20:45.28 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: do you know cocoa in mac os x? |
| 20:45.33 | flyinprogramer | http://toastytech.com/guis/openstep.html |
| 20:45.34 | solemnwarning | Oh, windowmaker? |
| 20:45.36 | thp | tarzeau: http://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=sparc&pkg=wavbreaker |
| 20:45.39 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: man. NO |
| 20:45.45 | drincle | blubberdiblub: what would be a good number for -i, though, since i just set it to 5? :) |
| 20:45.49 | solemnwarning | It looks like it :P |
| 20:45.51 | blubberdiblub | #Nichevo: i think i will call it a day ... sorry i couldn't help with your problem |
| 20:45.52 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: windowmaker is just an X (crap!) window manager |
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| 20:46.00 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: and gnustep is more like openstep (the api) |
| 20:46.03 | andreou | nin hey :) |
| 20:46.08 | Nin | hi andreou ! |
| 20:46.09 | Nin | XD |
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| 20:46.14 | Nichevo | no problem |
| 20:46.17 | Nin | nice to see you here |
| 20:46.17 | Nichevo | thank you very muhc |
| 20:46.34 | blubberdiblub | drincle: well, if it's not probable that the filesystem becomes corrupt, chose a high number, otherwise a low one |
| 20:46.45 | tarzeau | thp: just wait. want me to try to build it? |
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| 20:46.53 | drincle | blubberdiblub: ok, thanks again |
| 20:46.57 | Nichevo | ndeed |
| 20:47.03 | tarzeau | thp: which version you need? |
| 20:47.05 | blubberdiblub | okay, i'm off |
| 20:47.21 | Nin | good evening everybody |
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| 20:47.43 | Nin | I've just installed Debian 4.0, updated to Lenny/Sid and tried to install the LaTeX environment |
| 20:47.59 | Nin | when I type apt-get install texlive-base-bin |
| 20:48.05 | thp | tarzeau: well, i just wanted to know if it can be built so it can get into testing, you can't do something like a binary upload so wavbreaker can migrate to testing? |
| 20:48.07 | Nin | I got the following problem: |
| 20:48.12 | tarzeau | Nin: you updated to what, lenny OR sid? |
| 20:48.21 | Nin | tarzeau, both of them |
| 20:48.27 | abrotman | both ? |
| 20:48.28 | tarzeau | thp: i can't do any uploads no. just wait |
| 20:48.29 | Nin | I defined it in /etc/apt/preferences with a pid |
| 20:48.30 | Nin | yea |
| 20:48.33 | tarzeau | !bobbitt |
| 20:48.33 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
| 20:48.38 | thp | tarzeau: ok, thanks anyway :) |
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| 20:48.43 | tarzeau | i hope she even cuts your scrotum off |
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| 20:49.22 | tarzeau | Nin: you know a computer is not a mixer. don't throw all shit into it |
| 20:49.43 | Nin | well, i just read in the Debian documentation |
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| 20:50.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: want me help on a puzzle game, i finished 94 levels of 100 but got stuck there |
| 20:50.42 | abrotman | mirror magic ? |
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| 20:50.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, http://www.aceinternet.co.uk/~mokona/ |
| 20:50.54 | Nin | well, I found the following error:_>dpkg: error processing texlive-common (--configure): |
| 20:51.00 | abrotman | stop mixing |
| 20:51.02 | Nin | any clue about that? |
| 20:51.11 | tarzeau | here's my savegame: http://gnu.ethz.ch/save1.dat |
| 20:51.19 | wols_ | Nin: that is not an error you're looking for. paste the full output |
| 20:51.29 | tarzeau | Nin: yes stop trying to use them all |
| 20:52.01 | tarzeau | Nin: someone can use sid+experimental OR lenny OR etch |
| 20:52.09 | tarzeau | Nin: someone can NOT use sid+lenny |
| 20:52.30 | solemnwarning | Hmmm |
| 20:52.31 | h3sp4wn | No reason you cannot (if you are careful) there was an etch/sid mix factoid |
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| 20:52.37 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: no |
| 20:52.38 | Nin | well, somebody just suggested me to do it, and then to edit /etc/apt/preferences |
| 20:52.40 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: NO NO NO! |
| 20:52.46 | solemnwarning | Should I make a statically linked mount binary for my cluster servers? |
| 20:52.50 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: this has nothing to do with careful. |
| 20:52.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: looks boring! |
| 20:53.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's very tricky |
| 20:53.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: there's lift, laser, ice/laser reflection, boats and other nifty stuff |
| 20:53.18 | abrotman | i'm sure it is |
| 20:53.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: ice blockers, high blocks, double blocks |
| 20:53.34 | streuner | tarzeau, h3sp4wn: you could use whatever you want, the thing is that most people who ask shouldn't use that NOW... |
| 20:53.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: damn i'm sure something interesting happens when you finish level 100 |
| 20:53.43 | wols_ | tarzeau: looks like it would make by brain hurt. that's bad! |
| 20:53.45 | h3sp4wn | testing/unstable mix can work fine |
| 20:53.47 | Nin | here is the output of my problem->http://rafb.net/p/CYW8u892.html |
| 20:53.55 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:54.11 | tarzeau | Nin: it tells you what's wrong |
| 20:54.13 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 20:54.14 | dpkg | i heard sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 20:54.17 | streuner | pinning is a nice idea, but in most cases it causes serious headaches and have NOT much effort for them |
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| 20:54.33 | Nin | Package texlive-common is not configured yet |
| 20:54.35 | tarzeau | streuner: what works much better is to build the source package on whatever you want it |
| 20:54.48 | tarzeau | Nin: what about you configure it then? dpkg-reconfigure pkg |
| 20:54.57 | tarzeau | streuner: and pinning just doesn't work |
| 20:55.03 | tarzeau | streuner: nobody recommends it\ |
| 20:55.13 | Nin | ok tarzeau , I try |
| 20:55.16 | streuner | ok |
| 20:55.18 | Zathras | hi. Using Debian Etch with Lirc 0.8.0. I get errors about not gaining exclusive rights to lirc devices when running for instance irw. How to tackle this? |
| 20:55.26 | tarzeau | Nin: but first fix your sources.list |
| 20:55.37 | tarzeau | Nin: don't try to use lenny AND sid. just don't |
| 20:55.47 | Nin | ok |
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| 20:56.26 | mx-zoom | anyone knows why stopping cpufrequtils sets the frequency to 1GHz and not to the maximum? |
| 20:57.50 | Nin | tarzeau, I will put only the testing now |
| 20:58.05 | abrotman | this should go poorly :) |
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| 20:58.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: psssst |
| 20:58.19 | Gathond | mx-zoom: I'm guessing it just quits and leaves it at whatever it is at that point |
| 20:58.30 | Nin | and this is the only source I have deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 20:58.40 | streuner | fine |
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| 20:59.16 | Nin | Still the same problem |
| 20:59.17 | Nin | :( |
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| 20:59.48 | tarzeau | *shrug* |
| 20:59.55 | tarzeau | i've got texlive, works |
| 21:00.53 | Nin | well, I only do apt-get install texlive-base-bin |
| 21:01.14 | Nin | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 21:01.15 | Nin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:01.23 | Nin | I say Yes |
| 21:01.28 | wols_ | Nin: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=tetex-bin-upgrade&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=testing&arch=i386 |
| 21:01.30 | Nin | and then comes a problem |
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| 21:02.40 | wols_ | !btssmite http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425270 |
| 21:02.45 | wols_ | !btssmite nin |
| 21:02.47 | wols_ | rather |
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| 21:03.12 | Nin | wols_, that means... I should do apt-get install tetex-bin-upgrade? |
| 21:03.16 | Nin | i am quite new to this |
| 21:03.31 | solemnwarning | And you are running testing+unstable?! |
| 21:03.31 | Nin | now i updated stable |
| 21:03.34 | solemnwarning | !overkill Nin |
| 21:03.35 | Nin | I was... |
| 21:03.39 | wols_ | no. it means you are suppsoed to run stbale since you are not capable to run testing or sid |
| 21:03.51 | solemnwarning | dpkg needs an !overkill command |
| 21:03.56 | tarzeau | wols_: stable has got texlive? |
| 21:04.10 | abrotman | !alicekill solemnwarning |
| 21:04.22 | wols_ | tarzeau: I don't know and I don't care. but suppsoedly stable doesn't have bugs like this which make Nin stumped |
| 21:04.30 | tarzeau | wols_: true |
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| 21:04.33 | solemnwarning | o_O;;; |
| 21:04.40 | tarzeau | wols_: not like i care. i've got it, it works. it's a Nin problem |
| 21:04.43 | Nin | aha |
| 21:04.44 | tarzeau | aka PEBKAC |
| 21:04.48 | streuner | !literal cmd: alicekill (.*?) |
| 21:04.48 | dpkg | "cmd: alicekill (.*?)" is "($1): <action> I want to kill $1, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill $1. Kill. I wanna see $1's blood and gore and guts and have $1's veins in my teeth. Eat $1's dead burnt body. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL. and I jump around with $who, yelling "KILL, KILL"" |
| 21:04.51 | wols_ | tarzeau: exactly |
| 21:05.01 | Nin | thanks anyway for your support |
| 21:05.28 | wols_ | Nin: testing and sid have bugs. you are expected to deal with the easier ones of hose by yourself |
| 21:05.28 | tarzeau | Nin: the sid faq is very good, btw. read it? |
| 21:05.34 | streuner | !factinfo cmd: alicekill (.*?) |
| 21:05.34 | dpkg | CMD: alicekill (.*?) -- last modified at Wed Jun 2 06:43:40 2004 by g4lt!galt@news.publicrelations.pdpc; it has been requested 11 times, last by abrotman, 1m 24s ago. |
| 21:05.45 | Nin | tarzeau, I am on it |
| 21:05.46 | abrotman | streuner: what's wrong with it ? |
| 21:05.51 | tarzeau | wols_: and if testing has bugs, it goes much longer they get fixed there :) |
| 21:05.53 | streuner | only 11 times and abrotman knew about? |
| 21:05.59 | abrotman | streuner: i like the song! |
| 21:06.12 | solemnwarning | abrotman never leaves the chan, ofc he knows about it |
| 21:06.20 | wols_ | streuner: he visits dpkg's factoid DB evrey sunday and looks for new ones to try out |
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| 21:06.39 | abrotman | it's an old one |
| 21:06.46 | flixil | Hi |
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| 21:07.47 | streuner | solemnwarning: /msg dpkg listkeys smite ;-) |
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| 21:08.20 | abrotman | !fruitesmite streuner |
| 21:08.26 | abrotman | !fruitsmite streuner |
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| 21:09.28 | streuner | if that smite is also that old, i guess wols is right what he said about :-) |
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| 21:09.54 | garotosopa | How can I open a nested X session so I can login with another user? |
| 21:10.02 | doob77 | run xnest |
| 21:10.10 | pauldoo | yep, xnest |
| 21:10.11 | streuner | !factinfo cmd: fruitsmite (.*?) |
| 21:10.11 | dpkg | CMD: fruitsmite (.*?) -- created by sussudio <Suss@d51132ce.cable.wanadoo.nl> at Mon Nov 18 05:33:32 2002 (1672 days); it has been requested 122 times, last by abrotman, 1m 45s ago. |
| 21:10.19 | streuner | well :-) |
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| 21:11.06 | pauldoo | is it possible to register / request two hostnames when using dhcp? |
| 21:11.45 | tarzeau | pauldoo: and then? |
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| 21:12.09 | tarzeau | pauldoo: assign then to drive letters? |
| 21:12.10 | garotosopa | doob77, How can I load KDM into it? |
| 21:12.25 | pauldoo | tarzeau: no, just have them both resolve to the same IP |
| 21:12.27 | doob77 | uh, ask someone else please. |
| 21:12.30 | doob77 | a bit busy |
| 21:12.33 | garotosopa | sure |
| 21:12.42 | tarzeau | pauldoo: what's got dns to do with dhcp? |
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| 21:13.21 | pauldoo | tarzeau: I note that when my dhcp client requests with a particular hostname, then the dns server automagically updates its records |
| 21:13.22 | tarzeau | has someone got a sparc and could build something heavy (takes half an hour or so) |
| 21:13.51 | pauldoo | tarzeau: so I'm wondering if dhcp supports requesting with multiple hostnames |
| 21:14.33 | pauldoo | tarzeau: it's the "send-hostname" option for dhclient |
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| 21:16.40 | g-henna | hi! |
| 21:17.12 | sputnick_lebenef | hi |
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| 21:17.44 | sputnick_lebenef | what's the better tool to sample a sound from a divx ? |
| 21:19.20 | ProwL | sputnick_lebenef: the best /way/ is to extract the raw audio from the .avi and edit it externally |
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| 21:19.50 | ELSEGO | hola people |
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| 21:20.05 | Nin | hola ELSEGO |
| 21:20.21 | g-henna | let me have a guess... i cannot simply say "apt-get install apache2" from sarge to etch, right? |
| 21:20.38 | tarzeau | g-henna: why not? |
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| 21:21.03 | tarzeau | g-henna: you can have sarge, or etch and simply say apt-get install apache2 |
| 21:21.25 | g-henna | tarzeau: ok, i have apache2 in sarge and want apache2 from etch |
| 21:21.34 | cast | hmm, hey guys. there was an app that produced a whole lot of graphs in /var/www regarding system load, bw, processors etc..but ive completely forgotten its name. it was a debian pkg that didn't require any manual setup, anyone have any ideas? |
| 21:21.35 | tarzeau | g-henna: but wait. they say you should use aptitude because it's proven to be superior or something |
| 21:21.58 | tarzeau | g-henna: so you want to upgrade your system to etch? |
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| 21:22.07 | sputnick_lebenef | ProwL: which tool to extract raw audio ?* |
| 21:22.22 | g-henna | tarzeau: i don't have the time to do a complete upgrade, i'll only upgrade the packages i need, i'm afraid |
| 21:22.35 | tarzeau | cast: phpsysinfo - PHP based host information |
| 21:22.41 | g-henna | this is a remote server and i don't actually want to crash it doing some stupid stuff |
| 21:22.54 | tarzeau | g-henna: wouldn't that be mixing repositories? |
| 21:23.00 | ProwL | sputnick_lebenef: probably mencoder |
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| 21:23.17 | cast | http://www.howtoforge.com/server_monitoring_monit_munin ahh there it is! |
| 21:23.26 | g-henna | tarzeau: i changed the line in my sources.list, but i do not run apt-get dist-upgrade, but only apt-get install [needed-package] |
| 21:23.28 | tarzeau | g-henna: ProwL and debian doesn't have it |
| 21:23.35 | tarzeau | g-henna: yeah that's fine |
| 21:23.54 | sussudio | %nutsmite streuner |
| 21:23.54 | tarzeau | g-henna: but to be correct you really want to upgrade the system sooner than later |
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| 21:26.58 | streuner | sussudio: hi |
| 21:27.47 | ProwL | http://debian.video.free.fr/mirrors.html tarzeau / sputnick_lebenef |
| 21:27.50 | ProwL | maybe this will be of use |
| 21:27.51 | ProwL | :) |
| 21:28.21 | tarzeau | ProwL: i make my own mencoder/mplayer packages at http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mplayer/ |
| 21:28.38 | tarzeau | ProwL: yours is missing mips |
| 21:28.44 | ProwL | awesome, thanks for the info :) |
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| 21:29.33 | g-henna | tarzeau: oh, stupid me. now i'll have to try to fix everything that broke. wonder why untouched config files are invalid after an upgrade... :-( |
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| 21:30.02 | tarzeau | g-henna: sometimes configuration files change? |
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| 21:30.26 | tarzeau | g-henna: i know it sucks, but it happens (i hated xplanet for it) |
| 21:30.41 | _|Nix|_ | So I found this package: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/text/aspell . Yaaaay ! Now, what do I have to add to my sources.list file to be able to install it on an armel system? |
| 21:30.44 | tarzeau | and shorewall, and asterisk... and |
| 21:31.06 | tarzeau | _|Nix|_: must it be exactly this version ? |
| 21:31.19 | tarzeau | _|Nix|_: usually apt-get install aspell is enough. your nick is horrible to type |
| 21:31.27 | _|Nix|_ | tarzeau: Or the one that's in stable, if there's an armel version. |
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| 21:31.46 | g-henna | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:32.17 | stuNNed | howdy folks! and that's not all! |
| 21:32.27 | _|Nix|_ | tarzeau: Yeah, but I don't have the debian repos in my sources.list. What is the sources.list line for debian stable? |
| 21:32.36 | g-henna | ok, maybe i should just recompile everything that i installed afterwards :-) |
| 21:32.38 | g00se_ | All services need to be started on a chroot. Quickest way? |
| 21:32.49 | tarzeau | _|Nix|_: man sources.list ? wait you have debian, right? |
| 21:32.54 | stuNNed | say...i am running Etchy...how do i install ALL debug packages for *every* package installed that has one...? pls answer cuz i'm not sexy enough for Ubuntu-olios :D |
| 21:33.19 | _|Nix|_ | tarzeau: No. I have a Maemo tablet, and I would like to use these packages. |
| 21:33.27 | tarzeau | stuNNed: you can apply a blessed unicorn horn to remove stunned |
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| 21:33.37 | _|Nix|_ | tarzeau: s/use/try/ |
| 21:33.45 | stuNNed | tarzan: what does that mean? |
| 21:33.56 | stuNNed | tarzan: you've never been stunned...? esp on Sundays... |
| 21:33.59 | tarzeau | stuNNed: i play too much nethack |
| 21:34.17 | stuNNed | tarzeau: :P sorry to hear about Lilo...dang.... |
| 21:34.19 | tarzeau | stuNNed: the tabulator key is two keys below the esc key |
| 21:34.23 | stuNNed | he was a good mean, may he RIP |
| 21:34.37 | _|Nix|_ | tarzeau: I wanna add gtkspell support to my Pidgin port, and I don't wanna have to distribute my own versions of aspell and gtkspell if debian already has armel versions. |
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| 21:34.44 | stuNNed | nethack i am too young for cuz of the steroids i take :( |
| 21:35.29 | stuNNed | tarzan: i play Tremulous.... |
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| 21:35.51 | sputnick_lebenef | thanks all, I found "ffmpeg -i fichiervideo.avi -vn -ar 44100 -ac 2 -ab 192 -f mp3 fichierson.mp3 " |
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| 21:36.04 | tarzeau | stuNNed: no no, www.sauerbraten.org |
| 21:36.27 | stuNNed | tarzeau: i like it though i get nuked alot :( |
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| 21:37.01 | stuNNed | tarzeau: is that a definitive URL or will i be redirected to iluvmsandinperuplusahmnekkid.com? |
| 21:37.21 | _|Nix|_ | OK, so what /is/ the sources.list line for Debian stable ? |
| 21:37.41 | manu_hack | my computer went black after being idle for a while, then I can never wake it up, I'm thinking xorg, by the way I use kde and I didn't set the screen saver |
| 21:37.46 | _|Nix|_ | Trying "deb http://packages.debian.org/ stable main" in vain here ... |
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| 21:37.58 | stew | _|Nix|_: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 21:38.08 | stuNNed | tarzeau: jk.... |
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| 21:38.13 | stuNNed | tarzeau: pls don't kick :( |
| 21:38.18 | tarzeau | stuNNed: http://first_wallhack.istheshit.net/ |
| 21:38.19 | peterS | _|Nix|_: http://p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.etch works |
| 21:38.26 | tarzeau | stuNNed: your url didn't work |
| 21:38.45 | stuNNed | tarzeau: my url is arvhived right now, sry |
| 21:39.09 | stuNNed | tarzeau: 4RL can i install debug packages for all installed packages is there an command in D P K G ? |
| 21:39.38 | manu_hack | I need to force shutdown twice in 5 mins , any clue ? |
| 21:39.44 | manu_hack | I'm using lenny ... |
| 21:39.46 | g00se_ | All services need to be started on a chroot. Quickest way? |
| 21:39.50 | kingsley | What's a good way to diagnose why the command "cat filename.wav > /dev/dsp" would be silent? I've already tried running 'lsof | egrep -i "dsp|audio|sound"' and 'fuser /dev/dsp' as root. |
| 21:39.58 | tarzeau | stuNNed: i give you a hint, apt-cache search -- -dbg |
| 21:40.06 | stuNNed | manu_hack: set a cron job, what's the big deal? |
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| 21:40.22 | peterS | kingsley: the two most common reasons would be (1) mixer settings (the channel is muted or something), or (2) there are 2 sound chips in your computer and your speakers are plugged into the non-default one |
| 21:40.32 | tarzeau | kingsley: ahm ever heard of silence.wav ? |
| 21:40.33 | stuNNed | i think i'm at vatican radio i don't know if they allow http://first_wallhack.istheshit.net// |
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| 21:40.43 | stuNNed | tarzan: thnx mate |
| 21:41.03 | peterS | stuNNed: _ is not a legal character in that type of DNS record |
| 21:41.14 | kingsley | peterS: Yes, I checked the mixer settings and haven't changed the cables. I suspect a software bug. |
| 21:41.20 | kingsley | tarzeau: Heh. |
| 21:41.25 | chadz | Anyone getting screen flicker with fglrx? I'm on an IBM T42 and had the same issue when on gentoo. The flicker dissapears if I tab in/out of Xorg, but returns if it ever suspends the display. |
| 21:41.45 | peterS | kingsley: well, if you do have 2 sound chips, check /proc/asound/cards to see if the "right" one is the default |
| 21:42.10 | peterS | kingsley: this can change if you upgrade your kernel or, indeed, can change randomly if you're unlucky |
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| 21:43.10 | _|Nix|_ | Looks like only "deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-kfreebsd/ unstable main" has armel versions of aspell ... |
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| 21:43.42 | manu_hack | cron job is not what i want, I want to wake up my screen after I turn it off .. |
| 21:43.44 | sputnick_lebenef | audacity can do the job to :) I never hear audacity can open avi files :) |
| 21:44.46 | kingsley | peterS: That's interesting... The command "cat /proc/asound/cards" reports entries for "V8233A" and "UART". However, I don't know how to tell which is "right", and I don't remember configuring a chip to be the default. |
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| 21:45.14 | stuNNed | peterS: thnx |
| 21:45.29 | stuNNed | peterS: i knew tarzan was messing with me cuz i take steroids :( |
| 21:45.30 | peterS | kingsley: hmm, I have no idea what a "UART" sound card is, unless it's a winmodem attached to your motherboard sound chip |
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| 21:47.15 | kingsley | peterS: When sound has stopped working during the last few weeks, I've notices that re-booting X or the whole box fixed it, but I'd prefer to isolate the bug and fix it permanently. |
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| 21:47.27 | SlimG | is Gnu Hurd/Mach binary compatible with linux? |
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| 21:48.02 | nvz | sputnick_lebenef: audacity can't import avi files. |
| 21:48.03 | peterS | kingsley: if the second sound card really is a winmodem, you probably don't really want it, so you could check /proc/asound/modules to see what module it is, and unload/blacklist it |
| 21:48.27 | nvz | sputnick_lebenef: it could import their mpeg audio stream if you seperated it from the video |
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| 21:49.00 | euthyrox_lover | Hello to evrrybody :) |
| 21:49.19 | daeos | is there much difference between debian and slackware? or.. for that matter, topologi-linux? this is not a debian specific question but wanted to know if anyone had an idea of any significant differences |
| 21:49.33 | euthyrox_lover | Eulex, are you using lenny/sid right now ? |
| 21:49.53 | stuNNed | tarzeau: what's so fun about nethack? |
| 21:50.03 | nvz | !why debian |
| 21:50.03 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
| 21:50.05 | tarzeau | stuNNed: they many ways you can die |
| 21:50.07 | g-henna | i upgraded to apache2.2 now and want to compile an apache module using apxs2 -c, and i get "/usr/share/apr-1.0/build/libtool: line 1: i486-linux-gnu-gcc: command not found" |
| 21:50.11 | stuNNed | tarzeau: can you write me a python script to install all dbg packages for my Etchy? |
| 21:50.23 | stuNNed | tarzeau: oh ok haha :) |
| 21:50.37 | tarzeau | stuNNed: i can write a oneliner shell script doing that. i don't like python |
| 21:50.38 | nvz | daeos: thats not a question for here, see the documents on the debian site for information about debian, its social contract, and why to choose |
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| 21:51.05 | nvz | daeos: we cant compare debian to things we don't use.. and even if we did use them its offtopic here |
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| 21:51.23 | stuNNed | tarzeau: can you write it in C# shell scripting? cuz....haha just kidding, i can probly do it too but my brain is fried from Katrina radiation :( |
| 21:51.33 | g-henna | stuNNed: aptg |
| 21:51.37 | g-henna | stuNNed: apt-get install gentoo |
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| 21:51.52 | g-henna | any idea what i have to do to get i486-linux-gnu-gcc |
| 21:52.20 | EnsignRedshirt | I want to check that I understand what the dpkg manpage says. If I want to install a deb file with dpkg, and I want it to ignore one of the deb's dependency, is this the command I should use: dpkg -i --ignore-depends=dep_package newpackage.deb |
| 21:52.47 | stuNNed | haha |
| 21:53.02 | EnsignRedshirt | Will that install newpackage even though it depends on dep_package, which is not installed? |
| 21:53.18 | tarzeau | EnsignRedshirt: dpkg -i --force-all the.deb |
| 21:53.18 | stuNNed | g-henna: what does that mean and why apt-get install gentoo when mentioning C# nastiness? :) |
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| 21:53.49 | g-henna | stuNNed: just came to my mind that you might want to use gentoo when you want to have debug packages of everything |
| 21:54.05 | EnsignRedshirt | tarzeau: --force-all seems to strong. I really want it to ignore just one dependency. |
| 21:54.09 | EnsignRedshirt | *too |
| 21:54.19 | g-henna | EnsignRedshirt: --force-depends? |
| 21:54.19 | tarzeau | EnsignRedshirt: you asked. i answered. *shrug* |
| 21:54.30 | stuNNed | g-henna: your mind needs revamping. |
| 21:54.39 | nahemoth | hi I have a problem about configuring the "/etc/apt/sources.list" I added some addresses there but it still doesn't find the packages I need |
| 21:54.41 | EnsignRedshirt | tarzeau: Yes, thank you. Now I am refining my question. :) |
| 21:54.50 | stuNNed | g-henna: go play some nethack.... |
| 21:54.52 | valdyn | EnsignRedshirt: --ignore-depends= or somesuch, see the manual |
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| 21:55.17 | EnsignRedshirt | valdyn: Yes, as I said, my question is about interpreting what the manpage says. |
| 21:55.38 | kingsley | peterS: I'm pretty sure there's no winmodem. The "discover" command hangs, but the motherboard's manual says it has an AC 97 audio codec. |
| 21:55.48 | SlimG | Is it possible to use Debian'Gnu Hurd/Mach |
| 21:55.51 | SlimG | ups.. |
| 21:56.17 | SlimG | Is it possible to use Debian's 'Gnu Hurd/Mach kernel as desktop now? |
| 21:56.25 | peterS | kingsley: well, either way. you can find out which sound modules are loaded using 'cat /proc/asound/modules' - then perhaps sort it out from there |
| 21:56.28 | cast | SlimG: been possible for a while |
| 21:57.38 | SlimG | cast: Doesn't it lack (m)any central packages since it's a different kernel from Linux? |
| 21:57.45 | tarzeau | SlimG: no |
| 21:57.47 | cast | SlimG: oh it lacks plenty |
| 21:57.50 | tarzeau | you can even use debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 21:57.59 | tarzeau | cast: only 50 % of source packages in sid |
| 21:58.16 | tarzeau | cast: and about 22 % of source packages in sid for gnu/kfreebsd (those not _all) |
| 21:58.17 | cast | SlimG: afaik emacs does run though, so you have a desktop right there! |
| 21:58.54 | peterS | yeah, all you really need is a kernel, libc, bash, and emacs |
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| 21:59.10 | SlimG | Possible to run KDE on Hurd/Mach ? |
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| 22:00.10 | cast | SlimG: i really, really doubt it |
| 22:00.21 | kingsley | peterS: I'm happy to report that removing and re-loading the modules listed in /proc/asound/modules solved the problem. They're snd_via82xx and snd_mpu401. |
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| 22:01.28 | cast | SlimG: might be possible though, i haven't been keeping track of progress. i remember being annoyed at the lack of /dev/random |
| 22:02.26 | chapium | does pressing f1 (help) cause problems for anyone running lenny? |
| 22:02.29 | SlimG | cast: any other DE that's known to work on mach/hurd ? |
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| 22:03.21 | chapium | SlimG, vi |
| 22:03.30 | xst | Can I somehow format a NTFS partiton from linux? |
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| 22:03.51 | rsk | yes xst |
| 22:03.56 | streuner | there are tools |
| 22:04.05 | cast | SlimG: really don't concern yourself with hurd atm. look at linux and kfreebsd |
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| 22:04.10 | chapium | xst, its better just to use a windows disk |
| 22:04.11 | karsten | xst: ntfsprogs |
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| 22:04.35 | karsten | xst: But what chapium said. NTFS is undocumented and generally is non-native to Linux. Linux tools are based on partial RE. |
| 22:04.49 | karsten | !RE |
| 22:04.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, re is reverse engineering, or the note one tone above do, or an abbreviation from the latin meaning "concerning", or an abbreviation of reply used to prefix email subjects when replying, or 'rehi', ie. 'hello again', or an abbreviation for regular expressions. |
| 22:04.59 | kingsley | peterS: Thanks. |
| 22:05.02 | xst | ntfs-3g should work pretty good, as far as I has read. |
| 22:05.21 | garotosopa | Is there an X reliable way to check what's the screen frequency atm? KRandTray says 50Hz and the nVidia Settings says 60Hz. |
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| 22:05.29 | g00se_ | All services need to be started on a chroot. Quickest way? |
| 22:05.35 | SlimG | cast: :) I'm really curious on the future of mach/hurd, I'll have a look at kfreebsd in the mean time |
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| 22:05.55 | chapium | garotosopa, status menu for your monitor might tell you |
| 22:06.02 | xst | chapium: The problem is, that the only way to use a windows disc is to install windows on that partition |
| 22:06.20 | daeos | nvz: sorry to have offended you, my question may have been offtopic , but as stated in my comment , i did say it was off topic... anyone could have replied with an answer, but you did not have to point out your opinion like that to me. |
| 22:06.46 | chapium | xst, i suspect you could use the recovery console to have it do your bidding |
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| 22:06.59 | chapium | i have not tried that approach myself though |
| 22:07.14 | garotosopa | chapium, hmm it says 60Hz, must be it. Thanks. |
| 22:07.25 | xst | ok |
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| 22:07.31 | xst | thanks for your help :-) |
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| 22:09.20 | Talaturen | hiho Kornholijo i remember you big, have was you who scam me! |
| 22:09.26 | Kornholijo | ?? |
| 22:09.30 | Kornholijo | abrotman scam you. |
| 22:09.47 | Talaturen | who its he |
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| 22:09.57 | zicho | hello |
| 22:10.00 | Kornholijo | !op abrotman |
| 22:10.00 | Talaturen | helo |
| 22:10.04 | Kornholijo | Hello |
| 22:10.13 | ventonegro | hi, how do change my box to not use UTC times anymore? |
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| 22:11.09 | flyinprogramer | ventonegro |
| 22:11.12 | flyinprogramer | old it up |
| 22:11.16 | flyinprogramer | i'll figure it out |
| 22:11.30 | zicho | how can i mount a USB-device with fluxbox? |
| 22:11.33 | ventonegro | flyinprogramer, old it? |
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| 22:11.39 | Kornholijo | hold it :P |
| 22:11.41 | zicho | hold it, i guess |
| 22:11.43 | flyinprogramer | ventonegro: holdit |
| 22:11.48 | con1 | hey people debian has i686 version? |
| 22:11.53 | con1 | or is it i386 |
| 22:11.58 | flyinprogramer | Zoo step away from gentoo, it is horrid, |
| 22:11.59 | zicho | both |
| 22:12.03 | flyinprogramer | not worth the setup |
| 22:12.03 | peterS | con1: it is called "i386" but it works fine on i686 machines |
| 22:12.08 | Kornholijo | amd64 too :P |
| 22:12.09 | Zoo | too much pain ;- ) |
| 22:12.11 | con1 | great |
| 22:12.13 | zicho | and k7 |
| 22:12.16 | con1 | i want to give debian a try |
| 22:12.18 | con1 | thank you! |
| 22:12.18 | Zoo | syke, I just don't have the time |
| 22:12.28 | Kornholijo | con1: debian rocks :] |
| 22:12.28 | chadz | Gentoo would be nice if it wasn't so broken. |
| 22:12.36 | Kornholijo | probably |
| 22:12.37 | con1 | :P |
| 22:12.39 | Zoo | community seems really cool |
| 22:12.54 | zicho | Can someone help me mount a USB-device? I can see it with "lsusb" but it doesnt pop up in "/media/usbdisk" |
| 22:12.55 | peterS | k guys, gentoo is offtopic here, no need to hold a revival meeting about it |
| 22:13.06 | Zoo | I want to get.. fleow plugin for banshee configured, but it needs that tao-opengl, argh.. >_< |
| 22:13.14 | zicho | i use fluxbox, with gnome it wasnt a problem |
| 22:13.14 | ventonegro | thanks people |
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| 22:13.56 | flyinprogramer | gentoo = compiling = wasting time |
| 22:13.56 | Zoo | I believe, its because of the daemons in, fluxbox that are running, and gnome already has the daemons to auto mount usb devices etc |
| 22:14.04 | Enverex | zicho, Why would it? You probably need to mount it yourself. Check dmesg |
| 22:14.26 | Zoo | you might have to , list your /dev/ etc |
| 22:14.51 | Zoo | let me see what my lacie is , |
| 22:15.02 | flyinprogramer | zicho: you gotta done mount it |
| 22:15.31 | zicho | cdnwell i run dmesg |
| 22:15.33 | zicho | now what? |
| 22:15.35 | flyinprogramer | zicho: should be in the /dev/ directory |
| 22:16.07 | leming | zicho, is HAL running? |
| 22:16.07 | zicho | its usually /dev/sda1 |
| 22:16.12 | zicho | whats HAL? |
| 22:16.16 | Zoo | probably , sda or sda1 |
| 22:16.21 | Zoo | or hdb |
| 22:16.24 | Zoo | :S |
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| 22:16.28 | zicho | but there is no sda |
| 22:16.36 | zicho | and hdb is occupied by my second harddrive |
| 22:16.37 | leming | zicho, in short, the system that assists in auto-mounting extra devices |
| 22:16.38 | flyinprogramer | that's a shame :P |
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| 22:17.19 | SomethingISODD | hello all question how do i reset my root password? i forgot what i set it to |
| 22:17.37 | streuner | !i forgot root's password |
| 22:17.37 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 22:17.53 | zicho | hey it works |
| 22:18.08 | Zoo | was it sda1 yeah? |
| 22:18.08 | zicho | i just needed to run "hal-device" |
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| 22:18.19 | Zoo | hal is used for hardware etc |
| 22:18.23 | Zoo | :-) |
| 22:18.24 | zicho | after i did that it popped up as sda1 |
| 22:18.27 | zicho | thanks man =P |
| 22:18.32 | SomethingISODD | thanks |
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| 22:18.40 | Zoo | well we all learn :-) |
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| 22:18.47 | zicho | certainly |
| 22:18.57 | leming | zicho, you might check that the hal entry is in your startup scripts |
| 22:18.57 | zicho | hey does anyone of you have a gp2x? |
| 22:19.16 | leming | so that it's there on boot |
| 22:19.23 | flyinprogramer | hey look |
| 22:19.24 | zicho | i could do that, yeah. Thanks for the tip |
| 22:19.25 | flyinprogramer | its leming |
| 22:19.35 | leming | ;) |
| 22:19.40 | flyinprogramer | :) |
| 22:20.22 | Zoo | hee, thats pretty cool, first time me learning hal-device too, ty whoever mentioned that :-) |
| 22:20.35 | Zoo | thanks, ^_^ |
| 22:20.57 | g-henna | why does libapache2-mod-php4 work only with apache2-mpm-worker? |
| 22:20.57 | Zoo | I can't wait to get that new notebook, compared to this 1 I have, Acer Aspire 3610 , dang Celeron M, wanker |
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| 22:21.03 | LV-426 | join #scheme |
| 22:21.08 | leming | there's another system called ivman that also handles automounting and such, but will conflict with hal if not properly set up |
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| 22:22.09 | zicho | hey, the usb-device says it is busy when i try to unmount it |
| 22:22.20 | zicho | how do i check whats occupying it? |
| 22:23.15 | Zoo | hey, any of you.. know about. configuring tao-opengl, i need to configure that so I can configure fleow plugin, and I was actually wanting to really get my ipod nano 4gb finally working with banshee, and thinking of doing a build-dep banshee etc.. because I have that stupid raid bug in my ipod.. |
| 22:23.17 | leming | zicho, make sure you don't have any terminal windows or file browsers open to its drive, and other misc. operations, give it a few seconds, and try again |
| 22:23.42 | zicho | su |
| 22:23.57 | Zoo | I been using floola for a while, but I would actually like to use banshee, and configure things alot more :- ) other than just succeeding at beryl and things.. I heard that new compiz stuff is cool, so system is just pretty fresh face right now hee |
| 22:23.59 | zicho | wtf, argh, i hate that fluxbox doesnt autofocus my new windows |
| 22:24.06 | leming | zicho, usually it's easier to just look around your screen and see that you're still cd'd to the drive in a shell.. that's the main problem |
| 22:24.25 | Zoo | yeah, I use it when I"m using vmware zicho, but xcfce is a god alternative to gnome, zicho |
| 22:24.28 | leming | zicho, that should be a fluxbox configuration |
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| 22:24.38 | nopealicious | nihil-mf:/home/nihil# e2fsck -c /dev/hdc1 |
| 22:24.41 | nopealicious | e2fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 22:24.43 | nopealicious | ext2fs_block_iterate: Ext2 file too big while sanity checking the bad blocks inode |
| 22:24.49 | nopealicious | any ideas? |
| 22:24.52 | Zoo | you have to have patience with fluxbox.. zicho |
| 22:24.57 | zicho | it was the xterm who troubled it |
| 22:25.03 | zicho | so i closed it, problem solved |
| 22:25.06 | zicho | yhx |
| 22:25.22 | zicho | Zoo: Yes, i have notices. Changed to it today, takes some time getting used to I guess |
| 22:25.34 | Zoo | yep =) |
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| 22:25.56 | cast | when using an entire disk as a lvm pv, is there any point in making a partition and using sdb1? or is sdb fine enough to put the pv on |
| 22:26.04 | Zoo | heya cast |
| 22:26.09 | Zoo | long time no see, =) |
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| 22:26.11 | cast | hey Zoo |
| 22:26.42 | zicho | 2Man do I love GP2X or what. |
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| 22:27.22 | kunwon1 | I'm trying to switch my Debian Etch server to utf-8, and everything I do is seemingly successful. everything says en_US.UTF-8 when I invoke 'locale', but everything has reverted to POSIX when I restart my shell. How do I make these settings persist? |
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| 22:27.37 | flyinprogramer | this is why we're debian users: http://www.cafepress.com/buy/debian/-/pv_design_details/pg_11/id_16167586/opt_/fpt_fHBa__DB_________bSH_P___e/c_361/ |
| 22:27.44 | nopealicious | kunwon1, "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
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| 22:27.57 | Zoo | oh yeah, had a question, anyone here familar with that avant window navigator, I was maybe wanting to configure it for debian etch, but thing is.. it needs a few packages that are more of testing and new then the 1's in etch.. |
| 22:28.04 | kunwon1 | nopealicious, that's the first thing I did. The changes don't persist |
| 22:28.05 | cast | i wonder what the underscore logic was in that url |
| 22:28.05 | Zoo | I think them screenlets are cool.. |
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| 22:28.32 | Zoo | anyone? |
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| 22:29.06 | Zoo | I have used, gDesktlets before, but erm.. tired of em |
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| 22:29.33 | nopealicious | did you just mention a microsoft product and ask who had it in here? |
| 22:29.42 | nopealicious | damned be your soul to the 13 hells of capitalism |
| 22:29.44 | zicho | hey how come there are like 1000 versions of Ubuntu, all with minor differences? |
| 22:30.01 | Zoo | yes, but gentoo is very powerful etc.. |
| 22:30.02 | streuner | zicho: /msg dpkg topic |
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| 22:30.10 | nopealicious | Zoo, is this #debian or #ubuntu? |
| 22:30.11 | Zoo | just , gives me a headache alot |
| 22:30.12 | Zoo | :P |
| 22:30.15 | nopealicious | zicho, * sry Zoo |
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| 22:30.42 | Zoo | thats why I was like, feeling good. when I redefined my system again, with my vlk, and debian |
| 22:30.54 | Zoo | again =) |
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| 22:31.41 | Zoo | I don't think there are 1,000 versions of ubuntu, more like 1,000 of versions of debian :- ) |
| 22:31.52 | Zoo | its the base, developers choose to use.. as there system to engineer on |
| 22:31.59 | Zoo | wink |
| 22:32.03 | zicho | sry for OT |
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| 22:32.32 | Zoo | funny thing, I never get, why people are like, open source, feel the power , feel this and stuff, but when it comes to being open minded.. eh.. your OT |
| 22:32.37 | Zoo | doesn't make sense to me :- ) |
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| 22:32.51 | BUMBACL0T | Zoo, By joining this channel you agree that you are not in any way affiliated with any government, police, ANTI-Piracy group, RIAA, MPAA, IDSA or any other related group, and that means that you CANNOT enter this channel. By entering and not agreeing to these terms you are :::violating code 431.322.12 of the Internet Privacy Act signed by Bill Clinton in 1995, and may not threaten or prosecute anyone in this channel. |
| 22:32.51 | nopealicious | ppl want HELP HERE |
| 22:32.56 | nopealicious | not your rantings about ubuntu |
| 22:33.00 | Zoo | guess open source, has nothing to do with being open minded... eh.. not the case with me though :-) |
| 22:33.05 | nopealicious | i for myself have a problem nobody replied to |
| 22:33.21 | Zoo | wasn't* |
| 22:33.32 | nopealicious | shut up anyways please |
| 22:33.36 | nopealicious | about it* |
| 22:33.47 | Zoo | I wasn't ranting about ubuntu though, you said, not your rantings about ubuntu |
| 22:33.55 | Zoo | ty ^_^ |
| 22:34.06 | Enverex | At least Debian doesn't call them Kdebian, OMGWTFebian, Jewbian, etc |
| 22:34.16 | Zoo | :-) |
| 22:34.28 | Zoo | I call it what I want to name my system.. wink |
| 22:34.29 | Enverex | hah, I actually made myself laugh with "Jewbian" :P |
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| 22:34.38 | Zoo | lol :- ) |
| 22:34.44 | Zoo | zoobian :-) |
| 22:35.31 | Zoo | I think its hillarious, using a distro, named after the guy who created it.. and his wife :-) |
| 22:35.41 | zicho | sokobian - where sokoban and debian meets |
| 22:35.55 | Zoo | thing that gets me, he gave her first props, now what would ever happen, if they split.. erm |
| 22:36.04 | nopealicious | win32ian |
| 22:36.07 | zamuro | Isn't here anyone who can kick this guy? |
| 22:36.11 | Zoo | lmfao |
| 22:36.15 | nopealicious | ouch, for that one i should be shot or similar |
| 22:36.16 | Zoo | never going to happen :-) |
| 22:36.28 | Zoo | well then again, ya never know :-) |
| 22:36.33 | leming | BUMBACL0T, those statements have no actual grounds to stand on, as evidenced in the multitudes of people prosecuted for public MP3 ftp server hosting |
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| 22:37.01 | zicho | i got kicked from the #gp2x channel on efnet whet i said that i dont support non-free software |
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| 22:37.22 | nopealicious | nihil-mf:/home/nihil# fsck -pc /dev/hdc1 |
| 22:37.22 | nopealicious | fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 22:37.22 | nopealicious | ext2fs_block_iterate: Ext2 file too big while sanity checking the bad blocks inode |
| 22:37.33 | nopealicious | anyone ever had that kind of problem? |
| 22:37.35 | Enverex | zicho, They probably thought you meant you're a pirate, heh |
| 22:37.52 | zicho | Still its stupid. |
| 22:38.13 | zicho | The whole gp2x community is about piracy, man, look at all the emulators. |
| 22:38.20 | nvz | efnet is stupid |
| 22:38.25 | zicho | No one who owns a gp2x is a "legit" customer =P |
| 22:38.35 | war | nopealicious: wow how big?! |
| 22:38.35 | nvz | stay off efnet, problem solved |
| 22:38.49 | nopealicious | war, how big what? |
| 22:38.51 | zicho | haha lol |
| 22:38.57 | war | nopealicious: how big is /dev/hdc1? |
| 22:39.05 | zicho | does anyone of you play/have played gusanos? |
| 22:39.06 | zamuro | IMHO, serious people should stay off efnet, dalnet or undernet. |
| 22:39.09 | nopealicious | about 190G |
| 22:39.19 | war | nopealicious: never seen it before, can you force it with the -f option? |
| 22:39.23 | Zoo | don't worry about it man, you still go on living your life |
| 22:39.43 | nopealicious | war, nope |
| 22:39.45 | zicho | as long as i have debian and gp2x i am fine |
| 22:39.48 | war | nopealicious: ouch :[ |
| 22:39.52 | nopealicious | i can force it to do a normal check :( |
| 22:40.27 | Zoo | so, anyone configure fleow yet, but that tao-opengl? |
| 22:40.28 | nopealicious | /dev/hdc1: File ??? (inode #2, mod time Sat Jun 9 08:05:22 2007) has 16 multiply-claimed block(s), shared with 30 file(s): |
| 22:40.36 | nopealicious | i am officially fucked, ain't i? |
| 22:40.47 | war | nopealicious: send an email to the linux fs devel/ext3 mailing list |
| 22:40.48 | davidL | nah |
| 22:40.48 | Zoo | in debian |
| 22:40.52 | war | nopealicious: they might be bale to help |
| 22:40.54 | Zoo | :( |
| 22:41.46 | war | http://www.nabble.com/EXT3-fs:-invalid-journal-inode.-t2340176.html |
| 22:41.49 | war | looks like you are screwed |
| 22:41.59 | davidL | does anyone here run Chickenfoot with Iceweasel? |
| 22:42.03 | Zoo | nah, noones screwed :-) |
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| 22:42.24 | davidL | nopealicious: SATA? |
| 22:42.27 | Zoo | they can fix anything :-) |
| 22:42.30 | nopealicious | davidL, IDE |
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| 22:43.22 | nvz | davidL: sometimes I run iceweasel barefoot.. but I don't know wtf good chickenfoot would do |
| 22:43.43 | davidL | nopealicious: I was having big problems with SATA RAID5 on 2.6.18 so I upgraded to .21 |
| 22:43.54 | davidL | nvz: Chickenfoot is an Iceweasel extension |
| 22:43.57 | nopealicious | nah its IDE and non raid |
| 22:43.57 | war | david-work: what is your problem? |
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| 22:44.04 | nopealicious | jsut a screwed up bad hd |
| 22:44.07 | nvz | davidL: oh really.. |
| 22:44.19 | repyskichboarder | Buona notte |
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| 22:44.50 | nvz | I'm puzzled as to why my page which is obviously beyond the edge of my browser is not showing a left/right scroll bar |
| 22:45.27 | davidL | war: I get a type error when I do something really basic like fetch('http://google.com').document |
| 22:45.34 | nvz | for some reason no matter how little I make the window no scrollbar appears |
| 22:45.38 | war | davidL: I meant the raid problem |
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| 22:46.44 | davidL | war: oh, there was something wrong with sata_nv's driver, I guess since updating it fixed the problem |
| 22:46.50 | nopealicious | war, i can't find a mialing list for ext2 :( |
| 22:46.57 | nopealicious | only one for ext4 S: |
| 22:47.14 | war | david-work: k gotcha |
| 22:47.26 | war | nopealicious: I don't use ext2/3 I stay away :P |
| 22:47.35 | davidL | war: what fs do you use? |
| 22:47.37 | davidL | XFS? |
| 22:47.41 | war | XFS |
| 22:47.48 | davidL | bah, same difference |
| 22:48.00 | davidL | it's only faster in _some_ benchmarks |
| 22:48.09 | war | more reliable imo |
| 22:48.14 | war | no 'file too big' crap :P |
| 22:48.54 | davidL | what's the file size limit on ext3? 2 TB? |
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| 22:49.35 | war | david-work: with RedHats hacks I think they got it to 8 |
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| 22:49.44 | war | with xfs its 2 exabytes I think |
| 22:50.22 | davidL | heh |
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| 22:51.35 | davidL | too bad debian won't have ZFS any time soon |
| 22:52.07 | h3sp4wn | I use jfs (on my desktop) xfs has some annoying issues for building source trees (i.e make clean etc) |
| 22:52.10 | dondelelcaro | davidL: when the kernel has it or you package it, we'll have it. |
| 22:52.44 | Zoo | yeah? and they post that on filetopia as well , |
| 22:52.48 | dondelelcaro | (and actually, it supposedly works with FUSE, but damn if I know about it) |
| 22:52.48 | Zoo | BUMBACL0T: |
| 22:52.55 | h3sp4wn | kfreebsd could probably have it |
| 22:53.05 | h3sp4wn | (if you use the freebsd -current kernel) |
| 22:53.16 | war | pick your poison :) for basic linux it doesnt matter |
| 22:53.29 | war | if you are running high speed raids in excess of 500 megabytes per second the filesystem matters |
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| 22:53.41 | Kruser | hi all |
| 22:53.42 | N1ckR | h3sp4wn, whats reliability/support/stability like for jfs (is it as anywhere near as good as ext) ? |
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| 22:54.01 | Zoo | and I already know the terms and rules in this channel, why and the heck were you telling me, |
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| 22:54.12 | Zoo | I been coming to this #debian channel for a long time.. ty anyways |
| 22:54.18 | Kruser | iґve a little bit stupid question, but how can i delete a raid 5 array with mdadm ? |
| 22:54.28 | Zoo | anyone could be working for gov here... and I bet there alot that do.. |
| 22:54.33 | nahemoth | hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000 I get this message when I am trying to reach my other disks |
| 22:54.56 | stuNNed | tarzeau: so you versioned me did you like what you saw? i can give you measurements..... |
| 22:54.56 | nahemoth | why? |
| 22:54.56 | Zoo | dont' just post me the dam message |
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| 22:54.56 | h3sp4wn | N1ckR: AIX uses it - I haven't had any problems with it (less people use it than ext?) it has extents (which is nice) |
| 22:55.04 | h3sp4wn | war: If I was doing that I would use a netapp |
| 22:55.23 | Zathras | hi. Debian Etch Lirc 0.8. I get device errors. Not able to gain exclusive access. How to tackle this? |
| 22:55.24 | war | h3sp4wn: agree, but I wanted one for home |
| 22:55.30 | war | h3sp4wn: and I didnt want to pay $30k ;) |
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| 22:55.43 | war | h3sp4wn: more like $800 for the mobo/ram/cpu and thn the disks were pricy (but all well) |
| 22:55.49 | nvz | well I just figured out style:table{direction:rtl} was the thing causing the side scrollbar not to appear.. I think its a bug in the iceweasel rendering engine |
| 22:55.55 | h3sp4wn | I don't transfer 500 megabytes a second at home |
| 22:56.16 | Zoo | not everyone is using Lirc, lol |
| 22:56.18 | war | h3sp4wn: I like speed |
| 22:56.26 | N1ckR | I dont know if its my under powered machine (a mere 800mhz cpu) but I found xfs measurably slower at coping 2.7 gigs of files (root plus a few iso's) than jfs and ext3. |
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| 22:56.55 | h3sp4wn | N1ckR: jfs has particularly low cpu usage also |
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| 22:57.07 | Zathras | A pointer to an IRC channel where LIRC info is available would also be cool.... |
| 22:57.13 | pipeline | war: actually, at that point, it matters a lot less :) |
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| 22:58.02 | war | good day sirs ;P |
| 22:58.02 | war | bbl |
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| 22:59.02 | h3sp4wn | N1ckR: "JFS has the lowest sustained cpu spiking for common workloads" |
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| 22:59.31 | N1ckR | h3sp4wn, I agree with that, I also measured cpu time... |
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| 23:00.04 | Kruser | i want to grow my raid5 software raid (mdadm), and so i want to delete the old and create a new one, but how can i delete a existing raid5 ? |
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| 23:00.40 | N1ckR | jfs was a few % lower than ext3 and xfs was a few % higher than ext3 in proportion to file copy time. |
| 23:01.27 | Zoo | I messed with XFS, JFS, ReiserFS, Reiser4, ext3, all are pretty good file systems |
| 23:01.28 | hackmiker | hey i did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade, and now my X version is at 1.3.0, wtf? 1.3.0 is bad |
| 23:01.33 | hackmiker | i need 7.x.x |
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| 23:02.02 | Zoo | you mean X.org ? |
| 23:02.11 | hackmiker | i don't know what i mean :) |
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| 23:02.18 | hackmiker | i upgraded, and then rebooted |
| 23:02.18 | Zoo | :) |
| 23:02.23 | hackmiker | and it didn't work |
| 23:02.29 | N1ckR | ext3 is so widely used and performance is lower priority to me than speed, which is why I am using ext3 at the moment |
| 23:02.31 | hackmiker | and when i tried to reinstall the ati driver, it said |
| 23:02.33 | Zoo | I'm careful on the dist-upgrades :-) |
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| 23:02.54 | hackmiker | 'can't find smth for 1.3.0, available versions for 6.8.x and 7.x.x' |
| 23:02.56 | N1ckR | just worried that not enough people use jfs in linux |
| 23:02.57 | stew | hackmiker: 1.3.0 is R7, perhaps "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg" will show the 7.x.x version string you are looking for |
| 23:03.04 | Zoo | because it overwrites things |
| 23:03.24 | Zoo | and policy's get deleted and replaced etc |
| 23:03.34 | nahemoth | hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000 I get this message when I am trying to reach my other disks |
| 23:03.36 | nahemoth | why? |
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| 23:03.55 | ccvp | what version of linux, well distro rather will have support out of the box , for my 7800GT by BFG, and my Avermedia AverTV capture card I want the full functionality of Media Center, to my HDTV that i enjoyed with my Xbox 360 |
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| 23:04.43 | hackmiker | stew, what's wrong with it anyway? here and there it says 7.x, but the ati installer detects 1.3.0 |
| 23:04.43 | Zoo | nvidia eh? |
| 23:04.50 | xen_masta | Hey, so I'm having loads of fun with ext3. When I try to boot, I get a grub error 24, and when I load off a knoppix disk to attempt to fsck the filesystem, it kicks back that the superblock can't be found. I've tried manually specifying the superblock to the appropriate backup blocks, but it still refuses to check it. When I try to mount the disk it says it can't be done, and when I run smartctl on it, the tests come back fine. any id |
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| 23:05.01 | stew | hackmiker: nothing is wrong with it |
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| 23:05.05 | Zoo | you need to get the nvidia drivers from nvidia, and the beta 1's can provide alot of support for newer gpu's |
| 23:05.08 | stew | ccvp: not debian. perhaps you should ask ##linux |
| 23:05.18 | hackmiker | hrm |
| 23:05.19 | ccvp | stew |
| 23:05.22 | Zoo | ccvp: , nvidia yes? |
| 23:05.25 | ccvp | with my old OS, which im on now |
| 23:05.25 | N1ckR | stew, he already asked :) |
| 23:05.27 | jabickett52 | hey, I am trying to use the unzip command to extract a folder full of zips to the folder it's in, I tried unzip *.zip with no avail, any help? The man page wasn't much help |
| 23:05.33 | ccvp | all the movies/pictures/music i had on my PC |
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| 23:05.37 | ccvp | i could browse on my HDTV |
| 23:05.37 | Zoo | BGF, I'm pretty sure its nvidia |
| 23:05.40 | ccvp | via my xbox 360 |
| 23:05.42 | ccvp | with wireless G |
| 23:05.50 | stew | !tell ccvp about enter |
| 23:05.53 | ccvp | any linux projects to itneract w/ 360? |
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| 23:06.14 | Zoo | hey ccvp, what distro you using, and have you downloaded any nvidia drivers ? and configured them yourself? |
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| 23:06.28 | ccvp | i have like thel atest release of every distro on DVD, but not deciding which to use yet |
| 23:06.44 | Zoo | I'm asking you, which 1 are you using now.. |
| 23:06.52 | ccvp | none, im using media center 2005 PC at the moment |
| 23:06.55 | ccvp | its a modified XP |
| 23:06.59 | ccvp | but im rm'ing it soon |
| 23:07.23 | Zoo | well, ask your questions.. once you installed debian |
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| 23:09.48 | hackmiker | which runlevel is console-only? 3? |
| 23:09.52 | elodeon | Hello folks |
| 23:09.54 | elodeon | :) |
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| 23:10.02 | Zoo | media center edition, is Nemesis |
| 23:10.05 | elodeon | I think several of them are |
| 23:10.14 | Gigantic | .!bonjour |
| 23:10.18 | Miles_Prower | reccomended procedure for resizing / partition? |
| 23:10.19 | Zoo | and they took Nemesis and Longhorn, and merged them together to form Vista ccvp |
| 23:10.19 | pipeline | hackmiker: ON debian, runlevels 3, 4, and 5 are identical by default. |
| 23:10.22 | elodeon | hackmiker: I think several of them are. if i'm not mistaken I think level 7 is desktop |
| 23:10.30 | Zoo | but you see, for here, we support debian |
| 23:10.31 | pipeline | hackmiker: It's left to the administrator to determine what runlevels should mean what. |
| 23:10.39 | hackmiker | well what are the defaults? |
| 23:10.44 | elodeon | pipeline: what are the defaults |
| 23:10.46 | elodeon | exactly |
| 23:10.51 | nvz | hackmiker: actually on debian 2-5 are all the same |
| 23:10.57 | elodeon | I think the defaults are that 7 is the GUI level |
| 23:11.02 | pipeline | elodeon, hackmiker : Think about this for a second. What do init.d scripts usually do? |
| 23:11.03 | Zoo | I support xp professional etc.. in vmware, and have supported Vista as well, but really I try not to talk about it here, as people don't like it |
| 23:11.12 | hackmiker | dunno |
| 23:11.17 | nvz | hackmiker: runlevel 1 is single user (console) you can modify them if you wish |
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| 23:11.24 | Zoo | vmware workstation for linux ccvp |
| 23:11.25 | hackmiker | i know about 1 |
| 23:11.32 | elodeon | i remember a good page about this |
| 23:11.35 | elodeon | hang on hackmiker |
| 23:11.39 | hackmiker | but i remember trying to boot into 3, and stillg got graphical |
| 23:11.44 | hackmiker | still* |
| 23:11.48 | hackmiker | stilgar |
| 23:11.50 | nvz | hackmiker: man rcconf, man update-rc.d, or you can just change it manually |
| 23:11.59 | nvz | hackmiker: then you dont have a display manager installed |
| 23:12.07 | hackmiker | i have gdm |
| 23:12.31 | hackmiker | ah well |
| 23:12.32 | Miles_Prower | QUERY: What is the reccomended method for resizing the partition / is on, debian-X64's installer gave me a far too small / partition, I wish to expand it and merge them to make 1 largepartition. |
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| 23:12.36 | hackmiker | i'll just reboot and check :) |
| 23:12.37 | hackmiker | brb |
| 23:12.50 | elodeon | why reboot? |
| 23:12.56 | elodeon | just look at the scripts |
| 23:12.57 | hackmiker | cause i'm in windows anyway |
| 23:13.08 | elodeon | i'll look for that page for ya |
| 23:13.16 | nvz | hackmiker: what is the output of this command? ls /etc/rc*.d/*gdm | wc -l |
| 23:13.51 | elodeon | folks, I have a question - I like to backup my data (including windows executables) on my ext3 linux filesystem , now one day I retrieved an .exe back into a windows system but it was unusable |
| 23:14.20 | elodeon | so .... storing exe files in linux corrupts / mangles them ? thanks ! |
| 23:14.33 | Zoo | miles, did you do, create /home partition like a layout for /root and /home and swap, or seperate, for , /root /home /usr, /var /tmp etc or just 1 big partition |
| 23:14.40 | nvz | oh well.. he left.. should be "7" and if not he needs to run update-rc.d gdm defaults |
| 23:14.42 | elodeon | Zoo: miles is not back yet |
| 23:14.54 | Zoo | you don't want just 1 partition |
| 23:14.56 | Miles_Prower | Zoo: several partitions. |
| 23:15.01 | xen_masta | elodeon: no, ext3 doesn't corrupt win32 binaries. |
| 23:15.11 | Miles_Prower | Zoo: I need more space on / for installing java and various other things. |
| 23:15.12 | Zoo | thats fine for better security |
| 23:15.24 | elodeon | well a win32 binary after getting it back to window had lost its icon and was not runnable |
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| 23:15.32 | Zoo | its not going to take up that much space.. just see how things go for now.. |
| 23:15.35 | nvz | heh |
| 23:15.37 | elodeon | so i came here to verify this problem |
| 23:15.50 | Miles_Prower | Zoo: it complained there is not enough space. |
| 23:15.52 | xen_masta | elodeon: I use ext3 as the format for a samba server, and everything I put on there comes back fine. you may want to unmount the filesystem and run fsck on it. |
| 23:15.54 | Zoo | ah |
| 23:16.06 | Zoo | well, just setup.. /root /home and swap |
| 23:16.18 | nvz | elodeon: run file on it |
| 23:16.21 | elodeon | I have a single partition :D |
| 23:16.26 | Miles_Prower | /dev/hda1 264445 227266 23526 91% / |
| 23:16.29 | elodeon | nvz: what's "file"? |
| 23:16.32 | Zoo | if you read the securing debian howto, manual etc.. it will talk about an intelligent partition scheme, and alot of other things :-) |
| 23:16.35 | nvz | elodeon: tells you what it is |
| 23:16.37 | Zoo | its a good manual btw |
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| 23:16.46 | elodeon | is it a win or linux util ? |
| 23:16.47 | xen_masta | elodeon: grab knoppix then and use that. :) |
| 23:16.51 | nvz | chances are it wasnt a win32 executable with an embedded icon to begin with |
| 23:16.55 | Miles_Prower | Zoo: 264mb / partition w/ 227mb in use |
| 23:16.59 | nvz | elodeon: its gnu |
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| 23:17.02 | Zoo | lmao.. get real |
| 23:17.03 | elodeon | ah |
| 23:17.18 | Zoo | you need 7 gb min at least for root, woof |
| 23:17.25 | elodeon | i have a single partition then I used LVM to create a Volume Group then many Logical Volumes . am I bad? |
| 23:17.27 | Zoo | well, at least thats what I give mine :-) |
| 23:17.27 | nvz | was probably a link or something that pointed to both the executable and the icon |
| 23:17.40 | nvz | which explains why it has no icon now and doesnt run |
| 23:17.41 | Zoo | I give home alot more, because I use vmware etc.. |
| 23:17.56 | Zoo | an do testing with alot of software, and I mix etc.. |
| 23:17.57 | elodeon | so all my /root /home .... partitions are actually LVM logical groups |
| 23:18.26 | Zoo | I don't use LVM |
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| 23:18.41 | Zoo | so wouldn't know :-) |
| 23:18.42 | nvz | Zoo: its great you can download vmware player free of cost now :P |
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| 23:19.08 | Zoo | nvz, I already have vmware workstation 5.5 , I own it, and 6 beta, and workstation 6, coming my way.. |
| 23:19.09 | Miles_Prower | Zoo: so, please explain how I should resize it? |
| 23:19.09 | nvz | don't have to buy vmware workstation just to do casual multi-platform testing with vmware |
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| 23:19.23 | Zoo | I get software from vmware, through our IT dept |
| 23:19.30 | Zoo | at no cost to me |
| 23:19.31 | nvz | Zoo: thats cool. I like vmware its decent |
| 23:19.34 | Miles_Prower | Zoo: gparted doesn't open, anything based on parted doesn't, so I cannot even resize the other partitions. |
| 23:19.46 | Zoo | yeah, the 6 beta, supports 2.0 usb :-) |
| 23:19.51 | nvz | I don't use it anymore though cause I'm happy with my real machine running debian |
| 23:19.54 | Zoo | cheers, ^_^ |
| 23:19.55 | elodeon | is hackmiker back ? |
| 23:20.02 | elodeon | where is hackmiker I got his answer for him |
| 23:20.06 | nvz | nope |
| 23:20.19 | nvz | we all got answers for him, but they may not match his question |
| 23:20.45 | nvz | there wasn't enough informaiton provided to tell why gdm isnt starting.. |
| 23:20.46 | elodeon | wanna look at my woefully incomplete unix shell tips page? and tellme I suck ? |
| 23:20.56 | Zoo | well, I use gnome and xfce, and fluxbox sometimes. and be surprised, I like how my vlk behaves and runs pretty smooth, having 1GB DDR2 Cosair and 512 DDR 2, something from Acer etc.. yada yada.. ;- ), but Celeron M, kind of impressed, however I"m going to be getting this nice notebook from Sams Club |
| 23:21.06 | elodeon | maybe his graphics driver wasn't right |
| 23:21.13 | nvz | elodeon: you suck reguardless cause you don't figure out what the problem is before answering the question |
| 23:21.13 | Miles_Prower | Zoo: Hello? |
| 23:21.17 | Zoo | and plus.. its nice having the nvidia dedicated graphics, I have that on my workstation, but let my girl use my workstation alot so... |
| 23:21.31 | Zoo | miles, I use Acronis Disk Director Suite |
| 23:21.42 | nvz | elodeon: maybe he doesnt even have gdm installed, maybe he doesnt have links for it, maybe he was running windows.. maybe the queen of england used to be a man.. you really don't know |
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| 23:21.54 | Miles_Prower | Zoo: I thought so, just don't know how to do that as the system has no monitor/keyboard/mouse. |
| 23:22.02 | Zoo | I have an xp professional vlk installed as my main system, but gave debian the larger partition sizes |
| 23:22.02 | shey | can someone tell me if the nvidia-glx pkg is broken in Sid? |
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| 23:22.37 | stew | shey: /msg dpkg bts |
| 23:22.44 | nvz | elodeon: solving problems before they are identified does nothing but make it harder for the rest of us, including the person with the issue that is constantly juggling around assumed fixes to unidentified issues |
| 23:22.50 | Zoo | rarely do I mess with gparted.. even |
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| 23:22.53 | Miles_Prower | Zoo: Thanks for the help, I'd hoped for something I could SSH in and doo. |
| 23:22.58 | Zoo | I manage my disk with Acronis Disk Director Suite miles |
| 23:23.04 | elodeon | nvz: ok . |
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| 23:23.16 | Zoo | what is this, a test crash system? :P |
| 23:23.20 | Miles_Prower | Zoo: on all my windows boxes/etc, I do too. I just don't have monitor/mouse/keyboard on my server. |
| 23:23.24 | elodeon | I wasn't offering him fixes but information on runlevel management |
| 23:23.27 | Zoo | no offense :-) |
| 23:23.38 | Zoo | lmao.. |
| 23:24.25 | Zoo | yeah elodeon, you told him right about updating the runlevels and other ways you can do that |
| 23:24.39 | nvz | elodeon: well he gave enough information to indicate he didn't care about runlevels.. he just assumed he was booting to one that didnt have X which isnt the case cause debian configures them all the same by default.. his real issue was why he wasn't getting a graphical login screen |
| 23:24.51 | elodeon | ok I apologize folks |
| 23:25.02 | elodeon | I appreciate your help and didn't mean to make your task harder. |
| 23:25.14 | nvz | elodeon: like you, he assumed the problem was runlevels.. people lie. you gotta be able to get the truth from them to help them |
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| 23:26.04 | h3sp4wn | Its not lying if its not deliberate |
| 23:26.09 | elodeon | right |
| 23:26.14 | Zoo | start reading page 36, in the securing debian manual howto etc... whoever you was talking to about runlevels etc.. elodeon |
| 23:26.27 | nvz | call it what you want, its still not helping |
| 23:26.50 | elodeon | ok just for that, you gotta look at my unix tips page and tell me how great it is |
| 23:26.56 | elodeon | though incomplete and under construction |
| 23:27.03 | Zoo | if your viewing the pdf, its page 50 of 262 |
| 23:27.11 | shingouz | right now i am on a box with some strange kernel problems. i did a logon with init=/bin/bash and would like to do a dpkg -r on some additional modules package but dpkg barfs "dpkg error: PATH not set" wtf? |
| 23:27.14 | elodeon | isn't that manual on the web ? |
| 23:27.17 | nvz | if someone who wants to know how to get their graphical display working comes in asking about runlevels because of irrelevant prior knowledge of other distros than the one being used.. they are gonna get help with runlevels and not solve their problem with your logic |
| 23:27.43 | elodeon | nvz: he's gotta check his VGA driver + get the X window system installed |
| 23:27.50 | Zoo | oh, well I thought elodeon was helping with run levels.. |
| 23:27.54 | elodeon | using tasksel or dpkg or something |
| 23:27.59 | Zoo | don't scream at me, :-) whats the deal :) |
| 23:28.14 | Zoo | got a long week ahead, landscaping. again.. |
| 23:28.26 | elodeon | landscaping is nice but tedious |
| 23:28.29 | nvz | elodeon: no, you gotta figure out what the problem is first, tell him to run /etc/init.d/gdm start or xinit, or startx, and see if there is an error that indicates them being uninstalled or misconfigured before you start diagnosing it |
| 23:28.37 | Zoo | yes.. |
| 23:28.45 | Zoo | trying to save up for an engine for this 1995 Eclipse |
| 23:28.55 | Zoo | been doing landscaping for 4 years now |
| 23:28.58 | elodeon | what's the 1995 Eclipse do ? |
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| 23:29.16 | Zoo | and also trying to pay the books off. at my College, Robert Morris, |
| 23:29.37 | nvz | 1995 Eclipse is a Car by Mitzubishi IIRC |
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| 23:29.47 | Zoo | well who even knows.. if thats something I will proceed with, I might just get my Rx8 :-) |
| 23:29.48 | elodeon | LVM rules so far. |
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| 23:29.59 | ccvp | HAHAHAHAHAHAH, tiger woods lost |
| 23:30.08 | elodeon | you dislike tiger woods??? |
| 23:30.10 | elodeon | why? |
| 23:30.21 | stew | Zoo: elodeon: ccvp: please take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 23:30.26 | Zoo | Mitsubishi :-) |
| 23:30.32 | nvz | stew: :( |
| 23:30.39 | elodeon | stew: sorry man |
| 23:30.49 | Zoo | well, I wasn't talking off-topic, it was just small talk , because I said I got a long week ahead, etc. |
| 23:30.50 | elodeon | LVM has been great for me i feel like a man again |
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| 23:31.01 | Zoo | everyone does that here stew, even you do, |
| 23:31.08 | Zoo | wink ;- ) |
| 23:31.17 | elodeon | also smalltalk has an implementation for debian i think |
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| 23:31.19 | elodeon | ;) |
| 23:31.28 | Zoo | we can't live and breathe debian, geesh |
| 23:31.34 | stew | Zoo: you were, in fact, off-topic, take it elsewhere |
| 23:31.34 | Zoo | or else, you do eh? |
| 23:31.34 | elodeon | i can shit it though |
| 23:31.41 | ccvp | Zoo yes, if any humor is injected or off topic |
| 23:31.47 | ccvp | people tend to committ suicide |
| 23:31.51 | elodeon | not me |
| 23:31.53 | ccvp | the markings of sociopath'ism :) |
| 23:31.54 | elodeon | i'm too chicken |
| 23:31.55 | ccvp | brb, more coffee |
| 23:31.57 | stew | ccvp: keep it on-topic |
| 23:32.11 | elodeon | debian users tend to be smarter |
| 23:32.15 | elodeon | more perfectionist |
| 23:32.16 | Zoo | ah, sue me :- ) |
| 23:32.17 | ccvp | stew, 99% of the talk in here is good |
| 23:32.24 | ccvp | but 1% wont hurt gentoos future |
| 23:32.29 | Zoo | nah, you should say OCD then :-) |
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| 23:32.34 | nvz | yeah well lets not get too far off-topic.. that when someone starts asking questions we are more interested more in tiger woods than the issues at hand |
| 23:32.38 | Zoo | and we all are smart people.. using a distro has nothing for being smart |
| 23:32.46 | elodeon | everytime the debian originator fights with his gf he can , baby I named my linux distro AFTER YOU |
| 23:32.48 | nvz | elodeon: there you go.. lets you're friend is back |
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| 23:32.54 | elodeon | AFTER both of us |
| 23:33.05 | elodeon | wb hackmiker |
| 23:33.09 | hackmiker | hi |
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| 23:33.16 | Zoo | I was just saying how I had a long week ahead, trying to pay the books off, etc.. and trying to get this engine .. wink |
| 23:33.19 | elodeon | nvz here has good diagnostic steps to tell ya about |
| 23:33.25 | nvz | heh |
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| 23:33.31 | nvz | he's probably back in windows by now |
| 23:33.38 | hackmiker | i fixed that problem, i just got a new ati driver and it installs fine, but now (as before) the screen remains black after i start x |
| 23:33.52 | elodeon | hackmiker: install the x window system |
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| 23:34.06 | ccvp | Zoo |
| 23:34.12 | elodeon | nvz and others can help ya more than I |
| 23:34.15 | nvz | seems like it is a driver problem after all |
| 23:34.15 | ccvp | after long and hard consideration, im going to put SunOS on my PC |
| 23:34.22 | ccvp | Solaris |
| 23:34.30 | Pons | guys, i'm having trouble installing a pcmcia nic on an old laptop... anyone knows what tools do i need to install, or some guide should i read to install it, because the only thing i get when insterting is the message saying i did it, but no modules installed nor any interfaces recognized... |
| 23:34.36 | elodeon | SunOS != Solaris |
| 23:34.44 | nvz | hackmiker: are you irc'ing from debian this time? |
| 23:34.49 | hackmiker | no, back in windows |
| 23:34.53 | nvz | ugh.. heh |
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| 23:35.03 | hackmiker | i'd irc from debian, but i dunno how to use console chat clients :) |
| 23:35.04 | elodeon | Pons: go to delicious or another tagging site and search for linux PCMCIA drivers |
| 23:35.18 | elodeon | Pons: go to the card's manufacturer to see if they offer linux drivers |
| 23:35.30 | nvz | hackmiker: apt-get install irssi-text screen && screen irssi, then /server irc.freenode.net, /join #debian |
| 23:35.35 | elodeon | hackmiker: do you have networking up in debian? |
| 23:35.44 | hackmiker | yes |
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| 23:35.49 | nvz | wait.. are they still calling the package irssi-text or irssi? :P |
| 23:35.49 | hackmiker | okay then i'll reboot and do that |
| 23:35.54 | elodeon | hackmiker: if so it's best that you irc from debian so you can test the stuff you get in here |
| 23:35.56 | Pons | elodeon: the card i supported, there is a module and so, but i can't get it recognized.. |
| 23:35.58 | hackmiker | screen opens a new console? |
| 23:36.09 | Pons | i modprobed it, and nothing |
| 23:36.21 | nvz | hackmiker: screen is a console multiplexer will let you do multiple tasks without logging in on multiple consoles |
| 23:36.29 | hackmiker | ok |
| 23:36.37 | hackmiker | brb then |
| 23:36.38 | nvz | hackmiker: handy tool to have, plus you can detach it and reattach it in X |
| 23:36.45 | hackmiker | zowie |
| 23:36.46 | elodeon | hackmiker: you can switch between runlevel consoles using ALT Fx |
| 23:37.04 | ccvp | nvz, why should i put on Debian? theres an article on secunia.com that shows debian has a packet forwarder, that mirrors everything to a bit bucket at the nsa |
| 23:37.23 | nvz | !why debian |
| 23:37.23 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
| 23:37.27 | ccvp | :) |
| 23:37.34 | nvz | !social contract |
| 23:37.35 | dpkg | Debian's social contract is at http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 23:37.38 | ccvp | its either this or gentoo, only because gentoo sounds metro sexual |
| 23:37.39 | h3sp4wn | ccvp: And Sun is less in the pockets of the nsa ? (deliberate troll ?) |
| 23:37.44 | ccvp | other then that, it'll have dbian on here soon |
| 23:38.00 | elodeon | has anyone had trouble using win32 executables that were stored on debian/linux drives? |
| 23:38.18 | nvz | ccvp: I don't know squat about gentoo, so I can't offer any comparison, and besides that kind of debate is off-topic here. this channel is for debian support, not debates |
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| 23:38.30 | elodeon | i don't like the name gentoo |
| 23:38.31 | ccvp | ..... |
| 23:38.59 | nvz | I like debian enough to not care what else is out there |
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| 23:39.29 | elodeon | why doesn't microsoft put up its own linux distro ? and call it gatesoo |
| 23:39.34 | elodeon | no wait |
| 23:39.40 | elodeon | they should call it ... Gatesux |
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| 23:39.43 | elodeon | :D |
| 23:39.55 | nvz | cause there's no point in it, and it would be in direct competition with their Windows(tm) product line |
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| 23:40.07 | elodeon | Microsux |
| 23:40.12 | elodeon | :P |
| 23:40.15 | stew | elodeon: take it elsewhere |
| 23:40.15 | flami | microsoft had its own unix though ^^ |
| 23:40.19 | flami | back then |
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| 23:40.31 | elodeon | flami: what was it called? |
| 23:40.34 | h3sp4wn | xenix |
| 23:40.37 | elodeon | thanks |
| 23:40.38 | koojoo_ | i dont suppose anyone knows where i can find a copy of Atlantis ircii script by dethnite -- one without the backdoor?? |
| 23:40.39 | ccvp | heh |
| 23:40.41 | ccvp | elodeon/nvz |
| 23:40.42 | ccvp | look |
| 23:40.42 | ccvp | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314458 |
| 23:40.44 | flami | forgot , look on wikiperdia |
| 23:40.49 | ccvp | How to Remove Linux and Install Windows XP |
| 23:40.49 | ccvp | View products that this article applies to. |
| 23:40.51 | ccvp | hah |
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| 23:41.16 | nvz | ccvp: if you decided to install debian and have debian related questions, then maybe we can help you with something |
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| 23:42.50 | elodeon | ok good night all |
| 23:43.00 | elodeon | fun chatting with you |
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| 23:43.25 | nvz | its been real, it's been fun.. hasn't been real fun.. but.. oh well. |
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| 23:44.58 | kb1ibt | the other day i was trying to install something only availible on arm unstable, so i had added unstable to my apt source file, then later in the week i decide to do updates well it corrupted the flash kernel on my NSLU2, what would be the easiest way to get it back up without re-installing from scratch |
| 23:45.05 | mokkan | hey, how do i remove the "debian comes with no warranty etc etc" message when i login? |
| 23:45.43 | kb1ibt | mokkan: that sounds like it is the /etc/motd |
| 23:45.53 | nvz | kb1ibt: ugh.. I guess you'd have to remove the hd and put it into a system you can chroot rescue from |
| 23:45.59 | mokkan | kb1ibt thank you! |
| 23:46.00 | mokkan | :) |
| 23:46.24 | nvz | kb1ibt: I never done this SLUG thing yet.. but as I gather they have no I/O other than network so makes it hard to do much |
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| 23:46.28 | Zoo | I need to setup zorp |
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| 23:46.45 | Zoo | but hope you got my message anyways stew, as I was tryin to state , before I couldn't speak no more.. and still having fun, being on my own journey with using debian.. |
| 23:46.57 | quitte | nvz: it has usb |
| 23:47.02 | Zoo | but as I said, God Bless you though stew, I don't need IRC :-) |
| 23:47.10 | Miles_Prower | Zoo: worked like a champ |
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| 23:47.23 | omri | how can I boot a DOK using grub? |
| 23:47.24 | Miles_Prower | Yip! |
| 23:47.27 | nvz | quitte: hmm can you do anything useful/relevant with it? :P in a situation where you "corrupted the flash kernel" ? |
| 23:47.40 | kb1ibt | nvz: i don't think that would really help since it also writes a flash kernel that loads the drive |
| 23:48.02 | nvz | kb1ibt: ah, I'm vaguely understanding now |
| 23:48.23 | quitte | nvz i don't have one. I have a fritzbox,though. and as long as you dont kill the bootloader you can always recover |
| 23:48.38 | nvz | well Idk.. this is not really a debian issue, whatever you gotta do to flash the flash, is what you gotta do I guess :P |
| 23:49.14 | nvz | quitte: seems like thats what he's done |
| 23:49.23 | h3sp4wn | kb1ibt: Just connect a serial console and reflash from redboot |
| 23:49.42 | Zoo | did you see all the people talking off topic? and how am I the worst offender stew? |
| 23:49.53 | kb1ibt | i can flash the flash no problem, but the only flash image availible that i can find is the one to re-install debian not just to recover |
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| 23:50.00 | Zoo | want to take me to court over it too? I'll give ya my address buddy :-) |
| 23:50.03 | quitte | nvz: i bet it has a reasonable documented jtag interface,too |
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| 23:50.21 | Zoo | I've done nothing but try to have a good time in #debian channel |
| 23:50.31 | stew | Zoo: drop it |
| 23:50.46 | Zoo | yeah, I'm going to drop debian off my system as well, God bless ya though, :-) |
| 23:50.59 | Zoo | j/k but thats how ya make me feel man |
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| 23:51.13 | nvz | heh, you don't take a hint. |
| 23:51.29 | zamuro | It was about fucking time. |
| 23:52.04 | h3sp4wn | kb1ibt: ask the nslu2 channel (don't know enough about how debian installer is implimented) |
| 23:52.23 | nvz | Zoo: there are other channels to have a good time in #debian-offtopic, #defocus, and there are debian support channels on other networks irc.debian.org(irc.oftc.net) |
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| 23:53.54 | nvz | Zoo: the point is you were asked to stop and didn't.. even the newbie wanting us to debate gentoo vs debian stopped. You need to show some interest in the topic either asking debian questions, or answering them.. and mind the operators when they are trying to control a situation. |
| 23:54.01 | stew | nvz: drop it |
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| 23:54.38 | nvz | stew: but I already brok the ./del key... |
| 23:54.55 | nvz | stew: I'll just set it down and walk away ;) |
| 23:55.14 | parabyte | hello regulars:) |
| 23:56.10 | Kurtism | v4l-conf? |
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| 23:56.18 | Kurtism | dpkg: v4l-conf |
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| 23:56.25 | Kurtism | hmmmm |
| 23:57.35 | nvz | !info v4l-conf |
| 23:57.44 | dpkg | v4l-conf: (tool to configure video4linux drivers), section graphics, is extra. Version: 3.95.dfsg.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 23:57.50 | nvz | Kurtism: :) |
| 23:58.05 | Kurtism | hmmmmm |
| 23:58.12 | Kurtism | I'm curious if that would be useful |
| 23:58.19 | shingouz | what the hell happened? i installed a new kernel, go the "init: cannot execute /sbin/getty" and went back to the older kernel that used to work nice. now i get the same "cannot execute" even on the old kernel? |
| 23:58.25 | Kurtism | I've always just downloaded the mercurial v4l source |
| 23:58.33 | Kurtism | and compiled the modules |
| 23:58.43 | nvz | Kurtism: not if you're looking for something to make french fries.. but something tells me it will configure video4linux drivers |
| 23:58.51 | shingouz | actually... how the hell do i get out of this nasty loop with sbin/getty? |
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| 23:59.54 | Kurtism | hmmm |
| 23:59.59 | nvz | shingouz: care to elaborate on "installed a new kernel"? which version were you using, what did you upgrade to and how? which debian version? |
