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| 00:00.07 | quitte | shingouz: did you play with chmod lately? |
| 00:00.13 | shingouz | nvz, sid and custom |
| 00:00.18 | shingouz | quitte: nope |
| 00:00.42 | nvz | were they both custom kernels? |
| 00:01.27 | shingouz | nvz yup, like they have been on this box fr a few years. the debian kernels do not really like to fo rfmon on orinocos :) |
| 00:01.44 | shingouz | s/fo/do |
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| 00:02.15 | nvz | shingouz: I'm thinking this is unrelated to the kernel.. quitte had an interesting question... what could have changed? upgrades..? |
| 00:02.17 | shingouz | the funny part is that right now *no* kernel likes to work on the damn box |
| 00:02.23 | nvz | heh |
| 00:02.40 | nvz | you're gonna have to chroot rescue from a bootcd or something then |
| 00:03.29 | shingouz | yea.... now if i could just find the frigging bootcd somewhere... this fscking place is a total mess and all my tools are still missing. i hate moving |
| 00:03.46 | leming | shingouz, you could try tacking init=/bin/sh to your kernel boot line, work that way instead of a live cd |
| 00:04.07 | nvz | hmm.. moving eh? maybe your pc got homesick |
| 00:04.24 | nvz | leming: good point :) |
| 00:04.36 | leming | :) |
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| 00:05.01 | shingouz | leming: and when i do that, dpkg barfs something about "path not set". i can install but not remove |
| 00:05.04 | kb1ibt | if i were to just re-build my NSLU2 configuration, how would i go about backing up the list of packages i've installed (since all my data is on a separate partition from the OS anyway) |
| 00:05.31 | shingouz | homesick computers.... good point.... :s |
| 00:05.36 | nvz | what does dpkg have to do with getting the system booted :P |
| 00:05.39 | h3sp4wn | kb1ibt: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 00:05.40 | Gigantic | Hi, I want to set a dummy user |
| 00:05.46 | leming | i was just thinking that myself |
| 00:06.03 | nvz | Gigantic: heh, they are a dime a dozen.. can find them running windows usually |
| 00:06.07 | h3sp4wn | kb1ibt: Its ok to use apt-get on an nslu2 as its so limited in resources - that would work fine |
| 00:06.19 | shingouz | nvz: i suspect the newest kernel has some crap in it and i would like to remove it cleanly |
| 00:06.23 | Gigantic | there's someway to make anyone ine the local machine to enter without passwd but avoid any remote login ? (ssh) |
| 00:06.43 | Gigantic | nvz: : _ |
| 00:06.56 | nvz | Gigantic: do you use a display manager / graphical desktop? |
| 00:07.02 | quitte | shingouz: i'm pretty sure the kernel is not the cause of your problem |
| 00:07.18 | Kurtism | info! ndiswrapper |
| 00:07.28 | leming | Gigantic, sshd has a config setting to refuse login for accounts with empty passwords |
| 00:07.29 | Kurtism | !info ndiswrapper |
| 00:07.30 | quitte | shingouz: missing /sbin/getty or wrong permissions is far more likely |
| 00:07.31 | nvz | Gigantic: the display managers often have features to auto-login a user, perhaps after a time-delay.. and I know kdm will allow users to login without a password I did that for the baby |
| 00:07.39 | leming | Gigantic, it should be default off |
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| 00:07.52 | nvz | Gigantic: you just set them a nice secure password and tell the display manager to let them in without it |
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| 00:08.34 | shingouz | quitte: the getty is something i should check... no idea where the hell it would have gone though because the only thing i have done with dpkg lately is the install of the new kernel |
| 00:08.34 | nvz | Gigantic: using an empty password is not needed, you can set a secure password and just get around it with the login manager. |
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| 00:09.10 | Kurtism | !info ndiswrapper-utils |
| 00:09.13 | kingsley | Is there a linux version of the MicroSoft Windows game named "Age of Empires"? |
| 00:09.14 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-utils: (Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 00:09.22 | nvz | Gigantic: but its your call. this just lets them into their desktop but all other methods including console logins still require a password |
| 00:09.27 | Gigantic | nvz: yah |
| 00:09.42 | nvz | Gigantic: using no password lets other users into their account perhaps even remotely |
| 00:09.47 | leming | kingsley, most games will play via cedega |
| 00:09.58 | nvz | Gigantic: this way they are only allowed to login locally with no password |
| 00:10.00 | Gigantic | nvz: mmm, well no |
| 00:10.02 | shingouz | lets reboot the laptop onto sometihng else. /bin/bash for instance |
| 00:10.16 | Gigantic | nvz: nodody has no passwd, depends on the permissions |
| 00:10.29 | nvz | Gigantic: if they have no password, I can get in and then su to their account |
| 00:11.01 | Gigantic | nvz: ah, yes and that is exactly what I want |
| 00:11.14 | Gigantic | nvz: a sandbox account |
| 00:11.39 | Gigantic | I already have done that before but X sessions seem to be a problem |
| 00:11.41 | Kurtism | what's the one liner for ndiswrapper? |
| 00:11.50 | Gigantic | nvz: ut you know |
| 00:11.54 | nvz | Gigantic: well just set the password blank then I guess. I wouldn't do it.. but its your call. |
| 00:12.10 | Gigantic | nvz: I am just gonna use vmware |
| 00:12.14 | nvz | heh |
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| 00:12.27 | Kurtism | !info ndiswrapper-common |
| 00:12.30 | dpkg | ndiswrapper-common: (Common scripts required to use the utilities for ndiswrapper), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.43-1 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
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| 00:13.08 | quitte | Kurtism: m-a a-i ndiswrapper ? |
| 00:13.32 | Kurtism | I keep getting module not found |
| 00:13.48 | Kurtism | mediabox:/# modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 00:13.48 | Kurtism | FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
| 00:14.03 | quitte | Kurtism: m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 00:14.12 | shingouz | missing /sbin/getty looks like a nice thing to happen with a kernel upgrade. major suckage but thanks for pointing out hte obvious, quitte. now some ideas on which package to install to regain the thing? :) |
| 00:14.13 | Kurtism | ah crap I don't have m-a |
| 00:14.29 | quitte | shingouz: coreutils iirc |
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| 00:14.56 | shingouz | lets see |
| 00:14.56 | Kurtism | what's m-a in? |
| 00:15.04 | abrotman | module-assistant |
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| 00:15.15 | quitte | shingouz: no util-linux |
| 00:15.40 | Kurtism | can't one install ndiswrapper debian packages without compiling the module from source? |
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| 00:15.49 | netdaemon | ah |
| 00:16.06 | netdaemon | what package do i need to have to play back my tablature in kguitar...i believe its in midi format |
| 00:16.10 | quitte | Kurtism: module-assistant does it for you. just install it and then do it |
| 00:16.21 | Kurtism | ok |
| 00:16.23 | abrotman | !midi |
| 00:16.23 | dpkg | midi is, like, Musical Instrument Digital Interface, or timidity to play. smurf to edit, or http://www.midi-howto.com |
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| 00:18.03 | lfs | will Debian automatically upgrade? |
| 00:18.13 | abrotman | to what? |
| 00:18.28 | lfs | I had this balloon that showed updates |
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| 00:18.34 | lfs | But now it is not there. |
| 00:19.07 | lfs | It would ask if you wanted to upgrade. |
| 00:19.16 | lfs | It just came up. |
| 00:19.26 | mick_home | anyone watching lifetime... :) |
| 00:19.32 | lfs | I guess that answers that one. |
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| 00:20.19 | Ankman | no |
| 00:20.21 | mick_home | college girls faking orgazims... why did i never hear of this channel before? |
| 00:20.33 | JordiGH | Where is the documentation for GNU make? |
| 00:20.42 | JordiGH | I mean, the manual. Not the manpage. |
| 00:20.43 | mick_home | JordiGH: info make |
| 00:21.00 | JordiGH | mick_home: GFDL issue, methinks. info make brings up something about TeX. |
| 00:21.00 | Ankman | "man make" worls for me |
| 00:21.07 | JordiGH | No, not the manpage... the manual. |
| 00:21.09 | Ankman | works |
| 00:21.20 | mick_home | oreilly published a book on it |
| 00:21.24 | abrotman | it's in non-free |
| 00:21.28 | mick_home | and i think it may be under a free license |
| 00:21.31 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yes, what is it called? |
| 00:21.38 | abrotman | gcc-doc maybe ? |
| 00:21.40 | abrotman | FIIK |
| 00:21.42 | JordiGH | make-doc |
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| 00:21.59 | mick_home | bleh, it is a chic flick.... :-/ |
| 00:22.11 | hackmiker | how can I downgrade X? |
| 00:22.52 | JordiGH | Or perhaps someone can answer this for me: if I pass to make a parameter like "make prefix=/foo/bar install", is prefix then a variable I can use inside the Makefile? |
| 00:23.28 | Ankman | if i have Xorg do i also need x11-common? |
| 00:24.06 | quitte | JordiGH: it will even overwrite prefixif it is explicitly set in the Makefile afaik |
| 00:24.35 | JordiGH | quitte: case matters? |
| 00:24.46 | quitte | yes |
| 00:25.20 | JordiGH | Thing is debian/rules has "make prefix=/some/thing install", but variables inside Makefiles are always in allcaps. I'm a little confused. |
| 00:26.43 | quitte | JordiGH: they are not always in caps |
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| 00:27.27 | quitte | JordiGH: but it might be that it's not case sensitive. thats something i just assumed. and i'd be surprised if it wasn't |
| 00:28.19 | JordiGH | quitte: Maybe you're right. At any rate, I'm having a hard time convincing a Makefile that a certain variable has been set to something else than what it thinks it is. |
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| 00:29.06 | JordiGH | Do automade Makefiles have a prefix variable? |
| 00:29.24 | JordiGH | $(prefix) |
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| 00:31.11 | Ankman | lo bigkm |
| 00:31.34 | JordiGH | Hm. They do. |
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| 00:32.40 | weitzman_ | Is there a way to make changes to .zshrc take effect without logging out and in again? |
| 00:33.04 | abrotman | source it |
| 00:33.15 | JordiGH | weitzman_: Reload zsh? exec zsh? |
| 00:33.27 | JordiGH | Er, yes. Source it. Execute .zshrc. |
| 00:34.36 | weitzman_ | Thanks |
| 00:35.27 | kingsley | How does one watch video that's in "ogg theora" format? |
| 00:36.06 | JordiGH | kingsley: With just about anything. libtheora0 should be installed. |
| 00:36.07 | azeem | totem |
| 00:36.31 | JordiGH | kingsley: Theora is the one video format that's easy to play with free software. :-) |
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| 00:38.52 | kingsley | JordiGH: Thanks. |
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| 00:42.06 | JordiGH | kingsley: Curious, which video player were you using and was libtheora0 not installed? |
| 00:42.20 | JeffH | Are there any good tools for recording configuration changes made to a system? |
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| 00:44.11 | abrotman | JeffH: i've seen people put /etc/ in cvs or something similar |
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| 00:44.33 | abrotman | but i thought i saw a package to do it .. which i can't find now |
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| 00:45.00 | JeffH | I'm just looking for something better than my text file I put all my notes in. |
| 00:45.05 | shingouz | and now our friend dpkg barfs "dpkg error: PATH is not set" when i am sitting on the older kernel with init=/bin/bash to install util-linux again. do i need a bigger hammer? |
| 00:45.20 | abrotman | tried a bulldozer ? |
| 00:45.45 | abrotman | JeffH: you could use CVS .. and replace your file with the checkin comments section |
| 00:45.45 | JeffH | suppose it wouldn't take much to setup something to put entries in a database.. then I could just query relative to a particular app/task. |
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| 00:46.17 | shingouz | abrotman: almost.... dynamite and c4 do also spring into my mind already |
| 00:46.20 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:49.28 | quitte | shingouz try export PATH=/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 00:50.53 | h3sp4wn | shingouz: . /etc/profile |
| 00:51.30 | quitte | ...assuming that /etc/profile exists ;) |
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| 00:52.06 | h3sp4wn | If that doesn't exist there is much bigger problems than the PATH |
| 00:52.33 | shingouz | quitte: h3sp4wn yup, i already figgered that out after some thinking. thakns :) |
| 00:52.36 | quitte | h3sp4wn: getty was missing on that system |
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| 00:54.57 | pyrohotdog | I just set up my audio card, and xmms (or any other audio player) won't play sound unless run as root... |
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| 00:55.31 | quitte | pyrohotdog: add your uer to the audio group |
| 00:55.41 | quitte | pyrohotdog: your user |
| 00:55.49 | shingouz | fsck. this is fun: dpkg: error while cleaning up, fork failed; cannot allocate memory! i need caffeine |
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| 00:56.32 | abrotman | your package manager needs caffeine ? |
| 00:56.34 | quitte | shingouz: backup your data and reinstall, maybe? |
| 00:57.06 | shingouz | quitte: no frigging way. reinstalls suck |
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| 00:57.11 | predder | pyrohotdog, "adduser user audio" |
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| 00:57.47 | quitte | shingouz: a seperate home directory and dpkg --get-selections helps a lot |
| 00:57.48 | shingouz | ahhh.... swapon helped a little. no more forking errors. this begins to look better |
| 00:58.58 | shingouz | quitte: i have done that exactly one time in over seven years and i am not planning to do that again anytime soon. and my /home is always on a separate partition |
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| 00:59.46 | pyrohotdog | predder: I tried that, should I logout and login again? |
| 01:00.05 | shingouz | cross your fingers, guys! rebooting the box now |
| 01:04.20 | JordiGH | Everything build-depends on build-essential, right? |
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| 01:05.21 | Microano | hi dudes |
| 01:06.31 | n3kl_ | anyone know how I can get enlightenmetn e17? |
| 01:06.45 | Kurtism | man that version of ndiswrapper for debian is OLD |
| 01:06.57 | Kurtism | I'm going to be forced to use the source from the developer |
| 01:07.24 | quitte | Kurtism: why? which feature exactlyis missing? |
| 01:07.48 | Kurtism | it doesn't support cards that require 2 drivers to be installed and in use at once |
| 01:07.57 | Kurtism | Dlinks USB dwl-g132 |
| 01:07.58 | JordiGH | Kurtism: 1.43? What's the upstream version at? |
| 01:08.16 | Kurtism | its using like 1.9 in debian |
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| 01:09.17 | JordiGH | 1.9 is the upstream version? |
| 01:09.34 | JordiGH | I guess Debian's version /is/ old, then. |
| 01:09.50 | Kurtism | the actual module that gets downloaded, compiled, and installed using m-a m-i ndiswrapper is old... gimme a sec I'll get the exact version |
| 01:10.02 | shingouz | quitte: nvz, abrotman: util-linux did the trick, and the old thnkpad works again thanks, guys :) |
| 01:10.35 | shingouz | note to myself: always check the obvious first |
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| 01:11.43 | Kurtism | crap my HD has gone wonky |
| 01:12.09 | Kurtism | "duplicate or bad blocks in use" |
| 01:12.14 | Nwallins|home | can anyone recommend a good video (mp4) editor for gnome? |
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| 01:12.25 | Kurtism | my system locked and I had to reboot after installing ndiswrapper |
| 01:12.31 | Kurtism | hit power button |
| 01:12.55 | shingouz | now lets try with the fresh kernel and a working /sbin/getty |
| 01:13.28 | hburchey | Is the file /boot/grub/device.map used by grub-install or by one of the grub stages at boot time? |
| 01:14.40 | hburchey | For example if I'm installing grub using a machine other than the one that will actually be used to boot from the disk, should I use the device.map mappings on the installer machine or the target machine? |
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| 01:17.18 | shingouz | and the fresh kernel works. i *was* beginning to wonder why i would have missed a kernel config so badly that it would give me the init errors... |
| 01:18.47 | Talaturen | Hello, i get this error: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc" when I'm trying to compile nspluginwrapper, how can I solve it? |
| 01:19.08 | abrotman | Talaturen: did you install build-essential ? |
| 01:19.23 | simonrvn | abrotman: kwe kwe |
| 01:19.29 | Talaturen | abrotman, yes. |
| 01:19.32 | abrotman | simonrvn: hi! |
| 01:19.43 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 01:30.43 | dererk | did anyone have problems setting up more than one server, using dircproxy? |
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| 01:33.26 | gbw | hello, using openldap with self signed certificate is not good, since the private key is included in the certificate which will be transported to all OpenLDAP client machines. The cacert.pem doesnt contain private key, does it? |
| 01:33.45 | simonrvn | of course not |
| 01:34.01 | simonrvn | you separate them... |
| 01:34.11 | gbw | so why does it say the private key will be transported to all clients? |
| 01:34.21 | simonrvn | ..make sure your file perms and ownership are decent |
| 01:34.22 | gbw | i cant find which part of private key will be transported |
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| 01:34.34 | simonrvn | uh, the whole thing |
| 01:34.49 | gbw | what do you mean? |
| 01:34.57 | simonrvn | why only one part of it go if you're given away your privte ca key o_O |
| 01:35.06 | h3sp4wn | Talaturen: Use the debian'ised source |
| 01:35.30 | Talaturen | h3sp4wn, already solved it, had to install libc6-dev-i386 :p |
| 01:35.38 | h3sp4wn | Talaturen: (Its in unstable now - /msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 01:35.54 | gbw | but in cacert.pem doesnt which will be given away doesnt contain the key |
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| 01:36.05 | h3sp4wn | Talaturen: You have it working or just that problem |
| 01:36.15 | simonrvn | it's not hard to split out the pirvate ca key and the pem |
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| 01:36.36 | Talaturen | h3sp4wn, all works fine now, thanks anyway |
| 01:36.57 | gbw | still, they will be both transported to the clients, or not? |
| 01:37.02 | simonrvn | the public one ou can give away like candy if you want. the private one is the one you should be very careful with... basics, 101 |
| 01:37.08 | simonrvn | no |
| 01:37.20 | simonrvn | not if they're not together |
| 01:37.36 | gbw | http://www.openldap.org/pub/ksoper/OpenLDAP_TLS.html#4.0 |
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| 01:38.04 | gbw | what the heck does it mean : Self-signed certificate usage is discouraged and their configuration is not discussed in detail in this document because of these two downsides: |
| 01:38.04 | gbw | 1. The private key is included in the certificate which will be transported to all OpenLDAP client machines. |
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| 01:38.19 | simonrvn | gbw: scroll up to the top |
| 01:38.27 | simonrvn | and read the fricking note |
| 01:38.27 | sanmarcos | anybody have any experience on writing logcheck rules? I tried doing somehting like "kernel: [.*] PnPBIOS:.*" to match "Jun 17 17:15:53 trelew kernel: [8374759.794410] PnPBIOS: get_dev_node: function not supported on this system" but I still get it in my emails, any ideas? |
| 01:38.28 | gbw | if we can divide the private key and public, then it is not any issue anymore |
| 01:38.48 | gbw | simonrvn, you mean the note is old? |
| 01:39.01 | simonrvn | *READ* the note |
| 01:39.35 | gbw | i see |
| 01:39.37 | gbw | damn |
| 01:40.59 | abrotman | simonrvn: maybe it's in another language! |
| 01:42.22 | simonrvn | heh, s/he gets it now |
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| 01:43.27 | hackeron | I'm trying to get debian sid going, and I tried 2 repositories in the UK so far that are both incomplete -- one was missing openssh-client, one is missing libx264-54 -- is this normal? -- can anyone recommend a complete repository located in europe? |
| 01:44.01 | simonrvn | nl, ie, de, at |
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| 01:44.14 | rsk | hackeron: x264 was removed from debian |
| 01:44.20 | rsk | hackeron: openssh-client was not |
| 01:44.22 | simonrvn | ftp.*.debian.org |
| 01:44.29 | hackeron | rsk: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/libx264-54 -- hmm? |
| 01:44.32 | rsk | hackeron: so the one missing openssh is borked |
| 01:44.33 | simonrvn | http:// works |
| 01:45.06 | hackeron | simonrvn: I'm using http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian at the moment -- was using a virginmedia one before that didn't even have openssh-client |
| 01:45.06 | rsk | hackeron: ok it's back then, so both borked |
| 01:46.08 | simonrvn | it's a deadcat_! |
| 01:46.18 | hackeron | rsk: hmm, what repository are you using as I can't seem to find a complete one |
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| 01:48.08 | Fjordside | is small gets slower over ftp than http ? |
| 01:48.26 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:48.46 | Fjordside | is small downloads slower over ftp than http ? |
| 01:49.08 | Fjordside | <1MB |
| 01:49.24 | kb1ibt | why would chroot /Volumes/Root/ /bin/bash error out with the following message: chroot: /bin/bash: Exec format error |
| 01:50.52 | rahul | s t o n e d |
| 01:51.02 | rahul | Fjordside: yes |
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| 01:51.39 | abrotman | rahul: why are they slower ? |
| 01:51.48 | hackeron | hmm, I tried 4 repositories now, none have libx264-54 -- are the repositories b0rked or packages.debian.org? |
| 01:51.52 | rahul | abrotman: extra connection needs to be made |
| 01:52.03 | Fjordside | oh yeh |
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| 01:53.42 | abrotman | Fjordside: you should be using http anyways |
| 01:53.47 | abrotman | rahul: doesn't have to be |
| 01:53.47 | g0600528 | hello |
| 01:54.12 | rahul | abrotman: definitely has to be |
| 01:54.22 | rahul | files cannot come over the control connection |
| 01:54.32 | abrotman | !ftpmustdie |
| 01:54.32 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 01:55.04 | rahul | abrotman: you seem to be too tired to know what you're arguing against, too :P |
| 01:55.18 | abrotman | rahul: nope! |
| 01:55.31 | rahul | abrotman: there you go. just proved my point ;) |
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| 01:55.40 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 01:55.46 | Fjordside | heh |
| 01:55.51 | rahul | heh |
| 01:55.58 | rahul | !penixstrike abrotman |
| 01:55.58 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 01:56.37 | lfs | Does Debian AMD64 have flash yet? |
| 01:56.47 | rahul | what pointless crap? |
| 01:56.50 | abrotman | lfs: there's ndisplugwrapper or something |
| 01:57.11 | rahul | ndis? itym ns. |
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| 01:57.43 | stoned | hi |
| 01:57.43 | mokkan | hello, i recklessly deleted some files that were part of a package, and now the package wont uninstall |
| 01:57.44 | abrotman | whatever it is .. stupid adobe |
| 01:57.50 | mokkan | anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 01:57.52 | rahul | ho |
| 01:57.54 | abrotman | mokkan: reinstall it |
| 01:58.02 | lfs | Ariticle on web asks me to download firefox. |
| 01:58.19 | lfs | to play this video |
| 01:58.35 | rahul | lfs: that's kinda ridiculous... |
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| 01:59.35 | mokkan | abrotman, when i try to reinstall it it says the latest version is already installed :\ |
| 01:59.42 | lfs | Download firefox and then macromedia flash player |
| 01:59.42 | rahul | mokkan: REinstall |
| 01:59.47 | Coweater | lfs: it won't let you play without firefox? |
| 01:59.52 | rahul | lfs: you already have those |
| 01:59.54 | abrotman | Coweater: he has no flash |
| 02:00.04 | mokkan | um |
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| 02:00.12 | mokkan | okay so whats the command to reinstall? |
| 02:00.27 | stew | mokkan: aptitude reinstall packagename |
| 02:00.36 | rahul | mokkan: you COULD read the man page... |
| 02:01.03 | mokkan | and you could afford to be less condescending :D |
| 02:01.07 | mokkan | i wasnt using aptitude |
| 02:01.10 | mokkan | didnt know it existed |
| 02:01.17 | mokkan | i'm a recent migratee |
| 02:01.27 | abrotman | fine .. apt-get --reinstall install <pkg> |
| 02:01.43 | rahul | if you just started using debian, how would you find out about the old stuff before the new stuff? |
| 02:01.56 | rahul | the docs all should refer you to aptitude |
| 02:02.00 | mokkan | ubuntu? |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | rahul: because the old stuff has been around forever? and lots of docs/sites refer to apt-get ? |
| 02:02.16 | stew | does it matter? |
| 02:02.24 | mokkan | not really |
| 02:02.39 | rahul | it would be nice to have the docs that he's reading get updated |
| 02:02.47 | rahul | assuming they're debian docs |
| 02:02.57 | rahul | mokkan: you're an ubuntu user? |
| 02:03.03 | mokkan | sorta |
| 02:03.07 | mokkan | i used to be a gentoo user |
| 02:03.07 | rahul | sorta, huh |
| 02:03.09 | abrotman | you are .. or you aren't |
| 02:03.14 | stew | i am |
| 02:03.23 | mokkan | but i was tired of having a broken system |
| 02:03.33 | mokkan | so i switched to kubuntu like a few weeks ago |
| 02:03.39 | lfs | So gnash will will giving video to Debian sooner or later? |
| 02:03.42 | deadcat_ | simonrvn: bad connection (= |
| 02:03.51 | mokkan | and i'm using debian for a server |
| 02:03.57 | rahul | mokkan: that's like saying you were tired of windows NT so you switched to windows ME |
| 02:04.01 | abrotman | lfs: supposedly gnash can already play youtube/google videos |
| 02:04.04 | mokkan | haha |
| 02:04.09 | abrotman | mokkan: the broken box is ubuntu or debian ? |
| 02:04.17 | lfs | really?!?! |
| 02:04.17 | mokkan | oh its debian |
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| 02:04.33 | rahul | you broke debian's packages? |
| 02:04.40 | rahul | you bastard! |
| 02:04.41 | onikazi | Hi, could anyone tell me what I need to change in grub so that all OSes boot? I'm doing a tri-boot with Debian, Xandros, and XP. I have menu.1st open already I just don't know what to change to make Xandros boot. |
| 02:04.45 | abrotman | !tell lfs about gnash |
| 02:04.48 | abrotman | lfs: check the URL |
| 02:04.49 | mokkan | i'm pretty good at breaking things |
| 02:04.59 | mokkan | anyway, the reinstall didnt work :\ it's still telling me errors |
| 02:05.01 | mokkan | ill pastebin |
| 02:05.08 | stew | onikazi: please ask in #xandros about problems with xandros |
| 02:05.11 | abrotman | obviously an old gentoo user :) |
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| 02:05.32 | lfs | Is it in testing? |
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| 02:05.43 | onikazi | stew: actually it's a grub problem |
| 02:05.55 | stew | onikazi: then maybe #grub |
| 02:05.58 | abrotman | lfs: doubtful |
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| 02:06.11 | abrotman | !info gnash lenny |
| 02:06.16 | abrotman | !info gnash experimental |
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| 02:06.27 | abrotman | !tell demoncorsair about root |
| 02:06.31 | mokkan | okay here's my errors? http://www.pastebin.ca/573256 |
| 02:06.37 | mokkan | minus the ? |
| 02:06.40 | dpkg | gnash: (free Flash movie player), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.2-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 117 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
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| 02:07.00 | lfs | So it is in testing? |
| 02:07.00 | abrotman | mokkan: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 02:07.01 | onikazi | stew: thanks, I didn't know grub had it's own channel |
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| 02:07.07 | abrotman | lfs: apparently |
| 02:07.08 | demoncorsair | hey room |
| 02:07.13 | abrotman | !room |
| 02:07.13 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 02:07.15 | demoncorsair | how's it goind |
| 02:07.17 | rahul | abrotman: it's not a confmiss |
| 02:07.19 | plundra | Have anyone had the problem with nfs-mounts just disappearing? |
| 02:07.22 | abrotman | rahul: you sure ? |
| 02:07.26 | rahul | abrotman: /usr/share? |
| 02:07.26 | lfs | How to tell if wine for amd64 is in testing? |
| 02:07.27 | plundra | They still work fine, but don't show up in df etc. |
| 02:07.35 | abrotman | rahul: it could be! |
| 02:07.36 | demoncorsair | would debian be good on 166MHz |
| 02:07.37 | plundra | Nor mount, or mtab |
| 02:07.39 | rahul | abrotman: oh, it's called config... strange |
| 02:07.44 | abrotman | plundra: packages.debian.org |
| 02:07.48 | abrotman | erm .. lfs ^^ |
| 02:07.50 | rahul | abrotman: shold have a policy bug filed, then |
| 02:07.58 | abrotman | rahul: go for it |
| 02:08.09 | demoncorsair | would that be a good idea? |
| 02:08.17 | abrotman | rahul: while you're at it .. file one on hylafax-server |
| 02:08.19 | rahul | abrotman: eew |
| 02:08.23 | abrotman | demoncorsair: how much RAM ? |
| 02:08.25 | rahul | abrotman: it uses mysql and php |
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| 02:08.32 | abrotman | rahul: what does ? |
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| 02:08.41 | demoncorsair | what's the limit |
| 02:08.43 | rahul | abrotman: this package he broke |
| 02:08.50 | abrotman | demoncorsair: how much do you have? |
| 02:08.52 | abrotman | rahul: oh |
| 02:09.06 | rahul | I'm not installing it to investigate... *shudder* |
| 02:09.30 | Guerin | grrrah, I have to listen to fucking commercial rock radio |
| 02:09.35 | abrotman | have to ? |
| 02:09.42 | demoncorsair | 32M |
| 02:09.48 | GaiaX11 | Is it possible to upgrade Etch > Lenny using Lenny Testing DVD instead of using the net? For making things faster? :-) |
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| 02:09.58 | Guerin | abrotman: deb entered some competition which they're going to announce this afternoon, but she's in emetings the whole day |
| 02:10.00 | abrotman | demoncorsair: yes .. it will run .. might be a little slow .. but it'll run |
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| 02:10.05 | rahul | abrotman: the major labels are trying to shut down internet radio |
| 02:10.10 | abrotman | Guerin: HAHA</nelson> |
| 02:10.11 | Guerin | demoncorsair: get more. It will run, byut not by much. |
| 02:10.17 | rahul | oh, that too |
| 02:10.25 | rahul | that's his own personal fucking up :P |
| 02:10.27 | demoncorsair | what should I run on a 166 with 32MB |
| 02:10.32 | Mr_Fred | boa noite, alguem aqui sabe de um servidor de DNS grátis q de pra criar sub dominios? eu uso zoneedit.com mais ele ta dando problema demais |
| 02:10.33 | demoncorsair | non-doze |
| 02:10.34 | Guerin | demoncorsair: as little as possible |
| 02:10.38 | abrotman | !br |
| 02:10.38 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:10.42 | demoncorsair | what flavor |
| 02:10.47 | Guerin | demoncorsair: oh, run debian ... just don't ask too much of it |
| 02:10.48 | abrotman | debian ? |
| 02:10.55 | demoncorsair | k |
| 02:10.55 | Guerin | better debian than anything else |
| 02:11.03 | Mr_Fred | sorry |
| 02:11.03 | demoncorsair | does debian have an iso |
| 02:11.10 | Guerin | demoncorsair: it has 20-odd |
| 02:11.15 | hermogenes | Mr_Fred: este canal é de lÃngua inglesa |
| 02:11.18 | Guerin | !tell demoncorsair about ig |
| 02:11.23 | Mr_Fred | good night, does anybody here know about a servant of DNS free q of for creating sub domains? I use zoneedit.com more him ta giving problem too much |
| 02:11.25 | demoncorsair | I'm on mirrors.tds.net/debian looking for disk 1 just to get started |
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| 02:11.35 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 02:11.36 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 02:11.55 | rahul | demoncorsair: have you looked at the install docs? |
| 02:12.16 | demoncorsair | k |
| 02:12.20 | GaiaX11 | Sorry to ask again, but: Is it possible to upgrade Etch > Lenny using Lenny Testing DVD instead of using the net? For making things faster? :-) |
| 02:12.22 | hermogenes | Mr_Fred: Your question is not debian related. |
| 02:12.37 | stew | GaiaX11: yes, use apt-cdrom |
| 02:13.28 | demoncorsair | where get |
| 02:13.29 | demoncorsair | ? |
| 02:14.02 | Guerin | demoncorsair: debian.org |
| 02:14.04 | Guerin | now go |
| 02:14.06 | rahul | demoncorsair: anywhere BUT debian.org, obviously |
| 02:14.10 | Guerin | !tell demoncorsair about ig |
| 02:14.13 | Guerin | !tell demoncorsair about d-i |
| 02:14.17 | rahul | !penixstrike demoncorsair and abrotman |
| 02:14.20 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking demoncorsair and abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:14.25 | GaiaX11 | stew: apt-cdrom add and then change etch/stable in source. list and update. Am I in the right way? |
| 02:14.42 | abrotman | GaiaX11: apt-cdrom will at the cd source to your sources.list |
| 02:14.43 | Guerin | GaiaX11: read the install guide |
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| 02:14.49 | Mr_Fred | [hermogenes] DNSs in which channel? |
| 02:14.54 | abrotman | #dns |
| 02:15.06 | Guerin | bizarre, but true |
| 02:15.14 | Mr_Fred | [hermogenes] very good! thank you! |
| 02:15.36 | rahul | bizarre, but Guerin |
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| 02:16.05 | demoncorsair | never done debian install for basic do u need all upteen discs or can 1 do the job |
| 02:16.05 | sanmarcos | anybody have any experience on writing logcheck rules? I tried doing somehting like "kernel: [.*] PnPBIOS:.*" to match "Jun 17 17:15:53 trelew kernel: [8374759.794410] PnPBIOS: get_dev_node: function not supported on this system" but I still get it in my emails, any ideas? |
| 02:16.13 | abrotman | !d-i demoncorsair |
| 02:16.13 | dpkg | demoncorsair, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:16.14 | Guerin | demoncorsair: READ THE FUCKING INSTALL GUIDE |
| 02:16.18 | rahul | demoncorsair: if you've never done an install, why are you not reading the docs? |
| 02:16.18 | Guerin | demoncorsair: fucking read it |
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| 02:16.30 | stew | Guerin: chill out. don't use caps |
| 02:16.31 | Guerin | demoncorsair: seriousl;y, people spent hundreds of hours writing it |
| 02:16.36 | demoncorsair | sry |
| 02:16.38 | demoncorsair | geesh |
| 02:16.39 | demoncorsair | language |
| 02:16.46 | sanmarcos | Guerin, what the fuck |
| 02:16.46 | stew | Guerin: if he is getting you that upset, use ignore or take a break |
| 02:16.49 | abrotman | like 'sry' is a word :) |
| 02:16.53 | Guerin | demoncorsair: instead of being sorry, can you just not be a fuckwit? |
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| 02:18.59 | andrew_ | I'm having a dickens of a time setting up LDAP and Samba...after much work configuring various config files, my LDAP server is not found |
| 02:19.19 | stew | GaiaX11: you just need to construct a apt source that refers to the dvd, apt-cdrom is a tool that would help you craft it. you can also just put one in there by hand, "man source.list" |
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| 02:19.53 | abrotman | why did gaia get klined ? |
| 02:20.25 | andrew2 | Please point me towards possible issues: ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) |
| 02:20.34 | abrotman | it's not running |
| 02:20.42 | abrotman | possibly a firewall |
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| 02:20.53 | abrotman | check the logs on the server |
| 02:20.53 | rahul | or just the daemon isn't starting up |
| 02:21.04 | andrew2 | it restarts fine |
| 02:21.56 | abrotman | rahul: i said that! |
| 02:21.57 | andrew2 | Does it need a different IP than the DHCP server? |
| 02:22.20 | rahul | abrotman: I said that! |
| 02:22.21 | andrew2 | I've got the static IP assigned to both. |
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| 02:23.31 | GhostlyDeath | Is it possible to mount paritions on RAW hard drive data as file like ones created under QEMU? |
| 02:25.04 | SomethingISODD | hello all question i am trying to get in to my room and i forgot my password i did init=/bin/sh in the grub boot it will not go to a prompt so i can try to change the root password.... any recommendations plz |
| 02:25.04 | abrotman | SomethingISODD: /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 02:25.04 | SomethingISODD | k |
| 02:25.04 | sanmarcos | so, any logcheck users? |
| 02:25.06 | SomethingISODD | abrotman thats the way i tried to do it before |
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| 02:26.01 | sanmarcos | I tried doing somehting like "kernel: [.*] PnPBIOS:.*" to match "Jun 17 17:15:53 trelew kernel: [8374759.794410] PnPBIOS: get_dev_node: function not supported on this system" but I still get it in my emails, any ideas? |
| 02:26.07 | mick_home | i'm working on a package and i was wondering... how do you handle cpan modules (if a package depends on a particular module) |
| 02:26.24 | mick_home | since some people don't use the packages (but they rather use cpan directly) |
| 02:26.57 | stew | !dh-make-perl |
| 02:26.57 | dpkg | it has been said that dh-make-perl is a packaged script that converts Perl modules snagged from CPAN into .deb archives. You get to use CPAN archives, Debian's dependencies stay in one piece, everybody's happy. Find more information at http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/dh-make-perl.html |
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| 02:27.54 | andrew2 | which log would reveal most about LDAP server: ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) |
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| 02:33.04 | sanmarcos | i hate the subay guy |
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| 02:35.12 | andrew2 | I can't get LDAP to start properly. Installed slapd and dpkg-reconfigure -plow slapd |
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| 02:35.40 | andrew2 | All I get is ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) |
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| 02:38.21 | Sx66gns | sup |
| 02:38.56 | Sx66gns | anyone in this node? |
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| 02:40.28 | rahul | andrew2: try /var/log/daemon.log |
| 02:40.57 | Azar | hahahaha, wga validated ubuntu! |
| 02:41.12 | Azar | ahhhhhhhhh mister rahul.. |
| 02:41.52 | Azar | rahul: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/18/0037223&from=rss |
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| 02:42.01 | rahul | slashdot? no thanks, man :) |
| 02:42.12 | Azar | better than ubuntu forums.. |
| 02:42.16 | rahul | heh |
| 02:42.20 | rahul | I wouldn't know :P |
| 02:42.30 | Azar | :) |
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| 02:43.24 | Euclides | WINDOWS PWNED |
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| 02:43.31 | rahul | oooooookaaaay |
| 02:43.52 | Azar | sunday still... |
| 02:43.54 | thingfish | he wanted to get that in before Sunday was over, I suspect. |
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| 02:44.54 | rahul | heh |
| 02:44.57 | thingfish | I don't much care for them either, as I have to work both those days. |
| 02:45.01 | ice63 | * ok |
| 02:45.13 | YouCeyE | hello.. i am trying to compile nvidia driver for 2.6.21-1-686 |
| 02:45.58 | YouCeyE | how can i use 2.6.21 source and make it work for 2.6.21-1-686? with make-kpkig |
| 02:46.12 | Azar | thingfish: yeah that why I have chosen to work on weekends.... but I am on disability now for four more weeks |
| 02:46.15 | ice63 | exit |
| 02:46.19 | ice63 | exit |
| 02:46.31 | Azar | ice63: you are trapped here |
| 02:46.44 | rahul | why does synergy keep crashing on me? |
| 02:47.37 | Ronin | rahul: because |
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| 02:47.53 | rahul | Ronin: penix |
| 02:48.38 | thingfish | Azar: disablity? What happened to you, if I may ask? |
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| 02:49.14 | dotCOMmie | has anyone heard of a system which enables one to syncronize config files in ~ between many boxes? |
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| 02:49.58 | Azar | thingfish: had both feet operated... everything ok now walking like a duck |
| 02:50.11 | thingfish | Azar: sounds painful. |
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| 02:50.43 | Azar | thingfish: it was not as painful I was expecting... just annoying ... I am confined at home for the past 3 weeks |
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| 02:51.03 | thingfish | Azar: plenty of time to hang out in #debian then! |
| 02:51.28 | Azar | yeah, only yesterday I escaped went with friends fishing, in a wheel chair :) |
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| 02:51.36 | thingfish | mmm fishing |
| 02:51.38 | weitzman_ | I'm trying to install a .ttf font. I read advice to put the font in ~/.fonts and run fc-cache, but I don't have an fc-cache command and I'm having a little trouble figuring out what package I would have to install to make one appear |
| 02:51.42 | weitzman_ | Is there a better way? |
| 02:51.45 | thingfish | sounds so peaceful |
| 02:52.12 | thingfish | weitzman_: you don't need to run anything. Just drop them in ~/.fonts |
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| 02:52.23 | thingfish | they're instantly available. |
| 02:52.30 | weitzman_ | thingfish: I put them there, but xlsfonts isn't listing them. Is that not a problem? |
| 02:52.58 | Azar | open fonts, or non-free? |
| 02:53.06 | weitzman_ | Azar: The liberation fonts from redhat |
| 02:53.07 | thingfish | weitzman_: I don't know about that...all I know is, I put tt fonts in that dir, and they're available right away. |
| 02:53.55 | Azar | weitzman_: just try editing your apt sources.list by adding non-free contrib at the ends, update, upgrade, then try apt-cache search <package> where package is the name of the fonts you want |
| 02:53.57 | thingfish | meh. I use msttcorefonts. |
| 02:55.11 | thingfish | call me corrupt, but that's what I do. |
| 02:55.15 | weitzman_ | Azar: I already have those repositories enabled and I'm not seeing any packages with "liberation" in the title |
| 02:55.35 | weitzman_ | I'm just trying to do a comparison of liberation fonts, dejavu, and whatever the default is |
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| 02:55.45 | weitzman_ | See if I like one more |
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| 02:56.28 | wad | I'm attempting to mount a floppy drive. Is there a device under /dev that I should use in the mount command? |
| 02:56.42 | Azar | I never bothered with fonts..... not a printer installed yet |
| 02:56.43 | wad | I tried "mount /dev/fd /mnt/f" |
| 02:56.54 | wad | but that wasn't happy. Didn't like "fd", it appears./ |
| 02:57.10 | Azar | wad: look at /etc/fstab file see how it is called |
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| 02:57.33 | Guerin | wad: i bet you don't have a block device called /dev/fd |
| 02:57.51 | Azar | weeee! mister Guerin is here! :) |
| 02:58.29 | Azar | stoned: hehe Dell legal team is now appologizing |
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| 03:00.17 | rahul | Azar: what did dell try to do to you? |
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| 03:02.20 | Azar | hahaha didn't you read the article I showed stoned yesterday? |
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| 03:02.32 | Guerin | not everyone cares about /. |
| 03:02.38 | rahul | Azar: no |
| 03:02.39 | Guerin | some of us have lives |
| 03:02.45 | rahul | Azar: I wasn't around, probably |
| 03:02.48 | Azar | one of former Dell kiosk salesperson published online 22 tips on how to get more of Dell's sale tips |
| 03:02.55 | rahul | I'm not at home when stoned is, usually :) |
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| 03:03.11 | Azar | and Dell legal team immediately issued a takedown notice to the website |
| 03:03.19 | smacnay | Hi, what is the most elegant way to restart hald? |
| 03:03.22 | Azar | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070617-dell-apologizes-for-overreaction-to-sensitive-sales-tips.html |
| 03:03.32 | Guerin | smacnay: /etc/init.d/hald restart? |
| 03:03.52 | rahul | hmm, right at the top of my RSS feed from arstech :) |
| 03:04.15 | smacnay | Guerin: thanks - I looked at that but hald was not located? |
| 03:04.40 | Guerin | smacnay: well, it was just a random guess ;) |
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| 03:05.25 | smacnay | hmm, I restarted udev but still do not have usb drives and devices showing up on plug-in. |
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| 03:06.02 | Guerin | heh, a few years ago, our most famous broadcaster was busted for doing coke |
| 03:06.15 | Azar | wow |
| 03:06.25 | Guerin | about three years ago he called kofi annan a `cheeky darkie' |
| 03:06.27 | rahul | like that's surprising |
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| 03:06.38 | Guerin | and today, his 19 year-old daughter was busted for dealing speed |
| 03:06.46 | Azar | genes |
| 03:06.50 | Guerin | the family legacy continues! |
| 03:06.53 | rahul | haha |
| 03:06.55 | daeos | what does it mean to start a server program in a chroot jail? |
| 03:07.02 | Guerin | she's actually his adopted daughter, but nevertheless |
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| 03:07.19 | Guerin | daeos: it means to give it an environment of its own, ehre it can't interact with other stuff |
| 03:07.33 | Guerin | daeos: under most circumstances, you don't want to do it |
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| 03:07.50 | daeos | Guerin: i was going to play with lambdamoo and it recommends to do so |
| 03:08.07 | Guerin | daeos: well, i hope it provides instructions. |
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| 03:08.36 | daeos | Guerin: just says to do that, and that debain has packages to do just that for me.... |
| 03:08.40 | daeos | but short of that |
| 03:08.43 | daeos | not much more |
| 03:08.48 | daeos | im just barely reading the man pages |
| 03:08.51 | Azar | so the way I read the latest Debian news, the Lenny prospective release is at the end of 2008...wow, fast |
| 03:09.14 | Guerin | daeos: perhapos you should consult the Readme.Debian file in /usr/share/doc/foopackagename |
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| 03:09.39 | Guerin | Azar: 18 months is what etch was budgeted for |
| 03:09.43 | Azar | daeos: man pages are good in the sense that even it shows you way more than you need to know at a certain point in time, you get to learn more tips and tricks than you ever need to know |
| 03:10.01 | Azar | Guerin: timewise budget or moneywise? |
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| 03:10.28 | Legality | hi, when restarting apache i get |
| 03:10.39 | Azar | heck is the same thing, money=time and time=money |
| 03:10.48 | Legality | (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 03:10.49 | Legality | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 03:10.49 | Legality | Unable to open logs |
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| 03:11.06 | Legality | so I think some apache process is running, how can i see it's pid? |
| 03:11.17 | Azar | Legality: htop or top |
| 03:11.24 | Azar | or ps aux |
| 03:12.21 | kingsley | Is there an easy way to identify which program left behind a core file? |
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| 03:12.57 | Guerin | Azar: `months' is a unit of what? |
| 03:13.01 | Guerin | a. time |
| 03:13.03 | Guerin | b. money |
| 03:13.05 | Guerin | c. beer |
| 03:13.10 | Guerin | d. all of the above |
| 03:14.22 | Robert | Hi. I'm installing Etch on a system with 3 disks, and a fairly complex software RAID setup. The system can only boot from the IDE disk (there are also a couple of SATA disks), so in case the IDE disk fails I'd like a rescue CD which I can use to boot the system in the same way GRUB + /boot on the IDE disk would normally. |
| 03:14.34 | Robert | Is there any easy way to create such a rescue CD? |
| 03:15.08 | Robert | Other solutions are also welcome, I basically want to avoid being in big trouble if the IDE disk fails. |
| 03:15.24 | Guerin | Robert: that's a tricky one. I'd be inclined to use a usb key instead of a cd. |
| 03:15.30 | andrew2 | arggh. Too many hours, no LDAP. What could be keeping my LDAP server from authenticating: erreur LDAP: Can't contact master ldap server (IO::Socket::INET: connect: Connection refused) at /usr/share/perl5/smbldap_tools.pm line 282. |
| 03:15.32 | andrew2 | (this when I try to populate) |
| 03:15.51 | Guerin | !connection refused |
| 03:15.51 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 03:15.57 | Azar | Guerin: ... a. ? |
| 03:16.06 | Guerin | Azar: *DING* |
| 03:16.20 | kingsley | Robert: If you haven't done so already, you might want to check out Mondo. |
| 03:16.21 | Azar | :) |
| 03:16.22 | Guerin | Azar: very good, you win a ... banana. |
| 03:16.35 | Guerin | kingsley: however does mondo help his case? |
| 03:17.17 | Robert | Guerin: Why would an USB key be better? I could probably get one, in case you know of some good solution for that. |
| 03:17.31 | andrew2 | So the IP address I used in LDAP config is the same one I'm using for my static IP for DHCP...is this a problem? |
| 03:17.39 | Azar | Robert: as a poor newbie I am I happen to know that the 1st Debian CD has a rescue mode.. not sure about Etch but I guess it "should" |
| 03:17.43 | Guerin | Robert: because a usb key behaves like a hard drive at boot time, whereas a c=bootable cd behaves rather differently. |
| 03:17.57 | Guerin | Azar: it does, but that's not what he's after. |
| 03:18.06 | Azar | ah, ok :) |
| 03:19.10 | Guerin | buy from GuerinCorp and get a 0.5% discount! |
| 03:19.16 | Azar | :D |
| 03:19.37 | Azar | no really I was thinking about getting one for some time... what if the damn cd tray won't open? |
| 03:20.17 | Robert | Hmm... |
| 03:20.31 | Azar | then have backups on it... and stuff... just in case. |
| 03:20.45 | Guerin | backups go without saying |
| 03:20.59 | Guerin | although, that reminds me, I have to update my backup script |
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| 03:21.43 | Guerin | in order to catch /hom, but leave out *.{mp3,avi,mp4,m4a.flac,ogg} etc |
| 03:22.04 | daeos | Guerin: the readme file wasn't very explanatory when it came to the chroot jail idea... so i guess thats just a suggested runtime. I'll look at another program instead.... have any recommendations on muds/moos ? |
| 03:22.12 | Robert | Mondo does look promising, from the package summary. |
| 03:23.05 | Robert | One thing I tried, but couldn't get to work, was creating a RAID1 /boot over all disks. |
| 03:23.16 | Guerin | daeos: i recommend getting some friends and playing a real game around a table, with beer ... but that's just me |
| 03:23.19 | daeos | Azar: not nit picking your grammer, but i just noticed how wrong 'an usb' sounds, when a usb sounds more proper, i hate english rules |
| 03:23.58 | Guerin | Robert: can't be done in software raid ... at least, I don't think it can |
| 03:24.08 | Guerin | you should ask someone else about raid |
| 03:24.09 | daeos | 'an' before a word that starts with a vowel.... |
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| 03:24.36 | indraveni | hi all |
| 03:24.51 | Talaturen | Hello, I'm trying to compile xchat, but I didn't have the required GTK version, so I downloaded the required version but now I have version 2.8.20 and 2.10.6 and ./configure is complaining on that, saying that I should remove the old one, when I try to with apt-get remove it wants to remove many other things too, is there any way I can keep the other things and remove the old gtk (2.8.20)? |
| 03:25.00 | Guerin | !wayc Talaturen |
| 03:25.02 | indraveni | I rebuilt the gdm-themes package, by just adding some of my cutom themes |
| 03:25.06 | dpkg | Talaturen: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
| 03:25.33 | indraveni | and installed, but I am not able to see the names of my themes in the list of gdm themes, during login time |
| 03:26.03 | indraveni | I mean, when I go configure login-manager -> themes |
| 03:26.09 | indraveni | why is it so? |
| 03:26.22 | Guerin | indraveni: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 03:26.44 | indraveni | Guerin, gdm-themes is a debian based package know? |
| 03:26.44 | Guerin | indraveni: after doing due diligence - like making sure the files are all in the right place, etc |
| 03:26.52 | Talaturen | Guerin, I want xchat version 2.8.2.. |
| 03:26.56 | Coweater | Talaturen: if you have a legitamate reason to compile x-chat do apt-get build-dep xchat, then compile it (remove the gtk you downloaded) |
| 03:27.13 | Guerin | indraveni: sure, but all it does is install files where you tell them and run scripts which you tell it |
| 03:27.19 | indraveni | Guerin, yes like any other gdm theme, my theme is also available in the /usr/share/gdm/themes |
| 03:27.23 | Guerin | Talaturen: what branch of debian are you running? |
| 03:27.35 | Talaturen | Guerin, stable |
| 03:27.39 | Guerin | indraveni: ok, so ask the gnometards why it's not working |
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| 03:27.51 | indraveni | Guerin, ok |
| 03:28.02 | Guerin | Talaturen: /msg dpkg backports - if you want new and shiny, consider testing |
| 03:28.42 | Guerin | Talaturen: making your own backport ( which is what you're trying to do) is very much non-trivial, and attempting to install new GTK versions without requisite ninjery WILL result in pain and anguish |
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| 03:30.06 | ampex | anyone here a libata or linux software raid guru? |
| 03:30.13 | Guerin | !guru |
| 03:30.13 | dpkg | guru is, like, (GURU Understands Real Unix) or An expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to Ram Upgrades for ... |
| 03:30.18 | ampex | I have an interesting "problem" that I'm trying to wrap my mind around |
| 03:30.32 | cope[dev] | hey guys, moving from ubuntu to debian, will I see many features disappear? |
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| 03:30.52 | Guerin | cope[dev]: depends how hard you look, and what you consider a feature (as opposed to a bug) |
| 03:30.58 | cope[dev] | lol |
| 03:31.52 | cope[dev] | Guerin, I guess, options, I miss options... Ubuntu seems to be great if your starting out.. |
| 03:32.06 | Guerin | but lacks options |
| 03:32.11 | Guerin | much of that is down to gnome |
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| 03:33.33 | lkthomas | hey guyus |
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| 03:33.45 | cope[dev] | yea I guess, pitty, KDE is, well KDE |
| 03:33.46 | lkthomas | how could I disable xscreensaver on console ? |
| 03:33.49 | ampex | anyone know what sort of performance difference the ahci module vs the ata_piix module makes when using serial ata hard disks? |
| 03:34.08 | Guerin | lkthomas: it's a daemon - kill its process, or (preferably) use the init script |
| 03:34.30 | lkthomas | Guerin, can I just use command line to config it to become disable ? |
| 03:34.35 | Guerin | ampex: that's something you should probably ask a kernel dev |
| 03:34.51 | Guerin | lkthomas: /etc/init.d/xscreensaver stop; ought to do it |
| 03:34.56 | Guerin | if my memory is right |
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| 03:35.13 | ampex | Guerin: any idea on how to reach such a kernel dev? |
| 03:35.28 | Azar | lkthomas: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/06/08/1350219 |
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| 03:35.51 | Guerin | ampex: not really... you could troll through lkml archives or ask in #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:36.27 | shen|whiskers | I am trying to install wine, and everytime i do it doesn't seem to get the file opengl32.dll.so in /usr/lib/wine, so it doesn't work at all |
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| 03:36.45 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: install wine using what method? |
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| 03:36.50 | shen|whiskers | aptitude install wine |
| 03:37.10 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: and nothing in wine works once you install it thus? |
| 03:37.18 | shen|whiskers | well at least starcraft doesn't work :p |
| 03:37.20 | unlink | does courier-imap-ssl understand DSA keys? |
| 03:37.22 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: ... |
| 03:37.37 | Guerin | unlink: i don't believe so |
| 03:37.44 | shen|whiskers | it is because it cant initiate opengl |
| 03:37.49 | shen|whiskers | and indeed that file is missing from /usr/lib/wine |
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| 03:37.56 | shen|whiskers | so, how should I fix that |
| 03:37.57 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: this is a question for #winehq |
| 03:38.02 | shen|whiskers | I already asked them |
| 03:38.03 | shen|whiskers | and they said |
| 03:38.08 | shen|whiskers | go here to ask about how to install wine properly |
| 03:38.09 | Guerin | !enter |
| 03:38.10 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying, and scrolls our windows extraneously. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. We'll be more inclined to help you if you are considerate! |
| 03:38.24 | rolnyzx | what was the command to make a line that is xxx characters be diplayed in several lines of xx max characters |
| 03:38.26 | shen|whiskers | sorry.. its a bad habbit... |
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| 03:39.11 | zophy_ | apt-get install wine |
| 03:39.20 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: if you did aptitude install wine, you did it properly. Bear in mind that some files may have been removed from the debian package due to license issues - use dpkg -L to check what files WERE installed; also check bugs.debian.org to see if this is a known problem |
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| 03:40.01 | Guerin | rolnyzx: there are a million ways to do that. My preference would be `fold' |
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| 03:41.03 | xjkx | on konqueror i have active keys when i press control, is it something similar on firefox? |
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| 03:41.33 | Guerin | xjkx: WTF are `active keys' and why are you making up terminology? |
| 03:41.50 | rolnyzx | great thanks Guerin |
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| 03:43.25 | mlots | Is there some good Debian embedded resources someone can point me to? I'm looking to run Debian on a bunch of old computers. |
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| 03:43.56 | mlots | I'd like to use a newer kernel, but I'd like to use the -tiny options like the SLOB allocator or anything else that will save memory. |
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| 03:44.14 | metbsd | why not qnx or netbsd |
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| 03:44.39 | xjkx | Guerin: thats how Konqueror calls it, and its simplier to say that than explain :P uhmm, active keys is that when I press control, I have some "keyboard keys links" to the website links, ok that was the worst explanation ever, lets say that you open gmail, you press control then "U" and you go to the place you type the username, yes it could be done with TAB but when there are many LINKS like "click here, or here, or here or here" it hel |
| 03:44.39 | xjkx | because i'd have a key to each one |
| 03:44.50 | Robert | I run NetBSD on my 386, Debian on |
| 03:44.50 | xjkx | It is on konqueror :D |
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| 03:45.14 | mlots | metbsd: I'm more familure with debian. I'll consider it though... I'm not sure if they have all the drivers I need. |
| 03:45.42 | Guerin | xjkx: sounds like you want to browse UI extensions to firefox. No idea what you were on about, since I avoid anything beginning with K at all costs ;) |
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| 03:46.01 | xjkx | i used to do the same |
| 03:46.41 | Guerin | mlots: install etch, using the `expert' thing, and build custom kernels for space. If you have to do lots, consider FAI. |
| 03:47.03 | S4nD3r | Hi, Im using linux debian, Id like to know which tool to use with mysql tables to make modelling in my relational database |
| 03:47.13 | Guerin | xjkx: ironically, I used to use konqueror, and it used to be good. But there's just too much integration now. |
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| 03:47.41 | Guerin | S4nD3r: ask #mysql |
| 03:48.05 | S4nD3r | nobody answers |
| 03:48.08 | S4nD3r | ehehe |
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| 03:48.24 | mlots | What about reducing the footprint of apps. I've been considering ulibc or something like it... I'm not sure if there's something already. I'd rather not recompile much. |
| 03:48.48 | maddash | *sniff* something broke my icewm. I think it might be a `aptitude upgrade`, because not long after I issued it (after several reboots? I forget), my screen looks like this: http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200706172055571400x1050be9.png any ideas? |
| 03:48.50 | Guerin | mlots: how old are you talking about? How much ram? |
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| 03:49.11 | Azar | mlots: the higher kernel used by debian stable (etch) is 2.6.18. If you want to run Debian on older boxes you really don't need "latest" kernels, as your hardware are "earliest" |
| 03:49.40 | Guerin | maddash: woo, funky. |
| 03:49.43 | shen|whiskers | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 03:49.43 | shen|whiskers | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.43 | shen|whiskers | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 03:49.53 | mlots | Guerin: late 90's. A P200 with 32MiB or RAM is the one I'm most conserned with. |
| 03:49.53 | Azar | shen|whiskers: use a paster |
| 03:49.55 | Azar | !paster |
| 03:49.56 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:49.56 | shen|whiskers | ok, that is what it says after I try to install wine |
| 03:50.07 | shen|whiskers | it was just 3 lines, sorry for the spam though. |
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| 03:50.20 | Guerin | mlots: that'll be fine, as long as you don't expect much of it. What purpose? |
| 03:50.21 | mlots | Azar: Uhh, I have usb devices. |
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| 03:50.31 | Guerin | S4nD3r: wine from outside debian? |
| 03:50.33 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:50.37 | Azar | mlots: Debian Etch with the 2.6.18 is perfect then |
| 03:50.38 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: wine from outside debian? |
| 03:50.48 | shen|whiskers | no, from apt-get install wine |
| 03:50.50 | shen|whiskers | those are the last 3 lines |
| 03:51.04 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: paste the full output of aptitude -f install; |
| 03:51.10 | shen|whiskers | ok |
| 03:51.13 | mlots | Guerin: Abiword, icedove, web... |
| 03:51.24 | Azar | mlots: the "latest" kernels are not stable in Debian, and in any how will give you any "additional" help on your older hardware |
| 03:52.07 | Guerin | mlots: give up on those for the 32MB box. You want at least 96, and realistically 128. The CPU will be fine, though. The 32MB box could work as an X terminal, or a fileserver, router, relay of some sort. |
| 03:52.21 | metbsd | on older hardware i suggest netbsd and qnx |
| 03:52.27 | shen|whiskers | http://pastebin.com/931093 |
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| 03:53.00 | mlots | potato worked on similar machines. Why shouldn't etch. |
| 03:53.08 | junix-other | where is the cgi-bin dir located in etch for apache2? |
| 03:53.12 | Azar | 32MB? not enough for the "latest" kernels |
| 03:53.13 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: paste apt-cache policy wine; |
| 03:53.27 | Guerin | Azar: enough for the kernel, just not for the apps. |
| 03:53.36 | Guerin | Azar: x and a window manager would be a struggle. |
| 03:53.38 | mlots | metbsd: qnx have ndiswrapper? madwifi doesn't yet support by usb wireless g. |
| 03:53.41 | shen|whiskers | http://pastebin.com/931095 |
| 03:53.51 | Azar | mlots: even the previous stable, Sarge is too big for 32MB |
| 03:54.00 | Azar | Guerin: yes.. |
| 03:54.06 | metbsd | mlots, your older hardware use usb wireless g? |
| 03:54.36 | Azar | metbsd: as I read around bsd is still lacking on drivers.. so.. |
| 03:54.42 | mlots | metbsd: I'm using it right now. Win98, opera, putty, tightvnc... |
| 03:54.42 | Guerin | mlots: it will work - just not with very much stuff. GTK, for instance, would burn about half that on its own> the gecko engine icedove uses to render html mail would easiily burn the rest. |
| 03:55.07 | Azar | Guerin: maybe only the base install with no X ..... |
| 03:55.11 | mlots | Guerin: Minimo? I dislike html mail anyway. |
| 03:55.24 | metbsd | mlots, you will need netbsd then, madwifi device works in netbsd without 3rd party |
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| 03:55.45 | Guerin | mlots: then run screen, mutt and nvi ;) |
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| 03:55.59 | mlots | metbsd: usb? About half a year ago it wouldn't work. DWL-132 I think. |
| 03:56.14 | Azar | mutt, irssi, links2.. :) |
| 03:56.15 | shen|whiskers | Guerin, any ideas |
| 03:56.33 | mlots | Guerin: I am running screen, and mutt. I also enjoy abiword. |
| 03:56.40 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: ok, you have at least two conflicting non-debian sources in there - comment them out in sources.list and look for a backport. |
| 03:56.51 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: what branch of debian are you running? Etch? |
| 03:56.53 | mlots | Azar: links2 kinda sucks for web pages. |
| 03:56.56 | shen|whiskers | testing |
| 03:57.05 | amphi | mlots: w3m is pleasant |
| 03:57.09 | Guerin | mlots: as I said - X and a window manager and abiword will be painful in 32MB. |
| 03:57.19 | Azar | mlots: yes but when you run X-less, console mode... it goes ok |
| 03:57.40 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: then for one thing, get rid of those unstable and etch lines in sources.list. Find a 0.3.8 package for lenny (testing) |
| 03:57.54 | amphi | I ran X and blackbox in 32mb; even firefox ran |
| 03:57.59 | Guerin | mlots: or use it as an x terminal, with xdmcp |
| 03:58.00 | Azar | mlots: dig for some more ram, then you could get a decent system |
| 03:58.05 | shen|whiskers | http://pastebin.com/931097 |
| 03:58.06 | Guerin | that would be fine |
| 03:58.31 | Guerin | grrr |
| 03:58.33 | junix-other | where is the cgi-bin dir located in etch for apache2? |
| 03:58.39 | metbsd | those old machine are good for embedded systems |
| 03:58.49 | mlots | Guerin: Yeah, X is a consern too. Xfree86 would have run ok. |
| 03:59.00 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: ok, you're all fucked up. I'll edit that file, you install it over the top of your existing setup, and hope it works. |
| 03:59.04 | mlots | Abiword is fine on a P200 32MB ram. |
| 03:59.07 | shen|whiskers | lol |
| 03:59.08 | shen|whiskers | ok.. |
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| 03:59.22 | Guerin | mlots: i guess it depends what you consider `fine' |
| 03:59.59 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.02 | Azar | mlots: if Etch will be too big for you, try Sarge base install... then add one by one X... apps... see how goes. Get a giant swap tho |
| 04:00.12 | Azar | misterrr stoned! |
| 04:00.13 | stoned | doh |
| 04:00.15 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: http://pastebin.com/931099 |
| 04:00.15 | stoned | hey man |
| 04:00.21 | mlots | Guerin: yeah... Knoppix with a 2.6 kernel couldn't load ndiswrapper... not enough memory even at console with many otioins skipped. |
| 04:00.34 | Azar | stoned: Dell appologized for the article from yesterday.. |
| 04:00.58 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: now, run aptitude update |
| 04:01.13 | shen|whiskers | yep |
| 04:01.15 | mlots | Azar: debtakeover or alike would probably help me install. |
| 04:01.23 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: argh, wait |
| 04:01.45 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: try this: http://pastebin.com/931100 |
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| 04:01.50 | Guerin | (instead) |
| 04:01.53 | Azar | mlots: try Sarge first, and if it works, try upgrading to Etch... take it step by step, adapt to what "just works" |
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| 04:02.27 | shen|whiskers | E: Type '500' is not known on line 12 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:02.27 | shen|whiskers | E: Couldn't read list of package sources |
| 04:02.32 | Azar | Sarge fixed usb-s, Etch fixed SATA .. |
| 04:02.38 | Guerin | mlots: that's knoppix, though. And ndiscrapper ... seriously. |
| 04:02.49 | mlots | I'm looking at emdebian right now and slind. Thanks for the ideas everyone. |
| 04:03.02 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: bah, I'm stupid |
| 04:03.03 | mlots | Guerin: Just a reference point. |
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| 04:03.40 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: that line should be something like: deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com etch/main |
| 04:03.49 | shen|whiskers | third time's the charm :p |
| 04:03.49 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: whatever line you previously had there |
| 04:04.38 | shen|whiskers | you mean like the: deb http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ testing main |
| 04:04.43 | shen|whiskers | that you told me to get rid of |
| 04:04.47 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: it didn't come from there |
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| 04:05.32 | shen|whiskers | so, will deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com etch/main work if I just copy it into sources.list |
| 04:05.33 | Guerin | the package you were trying to install (0.9.38~winehq0~debian~4.0-1) came from http://wine.budgetdedicated.com |
| 04:05.35 | shen|whiskers | removing the 500 line |
| 04:05.39 | shen|whiskers | yea |
| 04:05.44 | Guerin | try it |
| 04:05.50 | shen|whiskers | nope |
| 04:05.55 | shen|whiskers | E: Malformed line 12 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) |
| 04:05.55 | shen|whiskers | E: Couldn't read list of package sources |
| 04:05.56 | Guerin | it should work, i don't know how the repo is set up |
| 04:06.31 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: find the original source of that url and add it per the instructioins |
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| 04:06.35 | Guerin | this is just getting stupid |
| 04:07.34 | shen|whiskers | what dyou mean by the original source of that url |
| 04:07.54 | Guerin | whatever webpage you found it on |
| 04:07.58 | shen|whiskers | I didn't |
| 04:08.10 | Guerin | well it didn't magically appear there on its own |
| 04:08.19 | shen|whiskers | you're right, it was never there before |
| 04:08.28 | shen|whiskers | the only time I've seen it before was in aptitude install wine |
| 04:08.42 | Guerin | well, whee the hell did the file in /var/cache/ap/archives come from? |
| 04:08.58 | shen|whiskers | no idea |
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| 04:09.03 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:09.25 | Guerin | try wine.budgetdedicated.com |
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| 04:09.34 | Guerin | in your web browser or something |
| 04:09.45 | shen|whiskers | says its the winehq apt repository |
| 04:10.00 | shen|whiskers | oo I have an idea |
| 04:10.09 | Guerin | ... |
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| 04:11.24 | shen|whiskers | no, that didn't work |
| 04:11.54 | Guerin | oh, it seems you downloaded it manually |
| 04:11.56 | Guerin | ok |
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| 04:12.53 | shen|whiskers | W: GPG error: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 58403026387EE263 |
| 04:12.57 | Guerin | ok, delete that line from your sources.list and should be good to go |
| 04:13.03 | Guerin | yeah, ignore that error |
| 04:13.05 | shen|whiskers | ok |
| 04:13.31 | shen|whiskers | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 04:13.31 | shen|whiskers | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.31 | shen|whiskers | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 04:13.34 | shen|whiskers | wont even let me install wine now |
| 04:13.41 | Guerin | now install that package in /var/cache/apt/archives with dpkg -i --force-overwrite packagename |
| 04:13.45 | Guerin | yeah it will |
| 04:13.55 | Guerin | it's just because the people who buiilt the package are eejits |
| 04:14.06 | shen|whiskers | ok |
| 04:14.11 | shen|whiskers | how do I make it install the package there |
| 04:14.15 | Guerin | note that I only care about this until it installs cleanly |
| 04:14.19 | shen|whiskers | oh |
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| 04:14.23 | Guerin | if it fails to work after that, you're on your own |
| 04:14.50 | shen|whiskers | ya after it installs cleanly it's winehq's problem :p |
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| 04:14.57 | Guerin | f'real |
| 04:15.03 | shen|whiskers | uhm |
| 04:15.06 | shen|whiskers | how do I make it install there |
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| 04:15.17 | eliran | I'll find out |
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| 04:15.45 | Guerin | install where? |
| 04:15.49 | shen|whiskers | /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 04:16.08 | Guerin | dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/wine_0.9.38~winehq0~debian~4.0-1_i386.deb |
| 04:16.22 | Guerin | dpkg: hey, I needed that! |
| 04:17.08 | shen|whiskers | holy monkey, it works :D |
| 04:17.24 | Guerin | like magic, eh |
| 04:17.28 | shen|whiskers | yes ofc |
| 04:17.38 | shen|whiskers | though it is kind of annoying having to spend an hour on each computer |
| 04:17.41 | shen|whiskers | just to get wine to install starcraft |
| 04:17.45 | shen|whiskers | and run it properly |
| 04:17.59 | Guerin | serves you right |
| 04:18.21 | Guerin | never got into starcraft, despite spending three years in a country where it's the national sport |
| 04:18.33 | shen|whiskers | haha |
| 04:18.37 | shen|whiskers | do you speak korean? |
| 04:18.42 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:18.45 | Guerin | only a little |
| 04:18.58 | shen|whiskers | I'm going to learn it |
| 04:18.59 | shen|whiskers | sometime... |
| 04:19.00 | maddash | for fuck's sake, why does everyone think that .deb == .tgz? |
| 04:19.03 | Guerin | my boss forbade me from learning it and the locals shut us out whenever we tried to learn |
| 04:19.06 | metbsd | haha starcraft is national sport in korea? |
| 04:19.12 | shen|whiskers | lol, why's that |
| 04:19.13 | Guerin | metbsd: very much so. |
| 04:19.23 | shen|whiskers | metbsd, in 2001 90% of all korean's played it |
| 04:19.26 | metbsd | that's crazy |
| 04:19.30 | shen|whiskers | every man and his dog played it |
| 04:19.30 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: because he was our boss and their kids all went to his school. Long story. |
| 04:19.39 | shen|whiskers | oh, ok |
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| 04:19.41 | metbsd | what about starcraft2 and wow |
| 04:19.42 | shen|whiskers | that's a shame |
| 04:19.46 | shen|whiskers | starcraft2 aint out yet |
| 04:19.52 | shen|whiskers | and I think a lot of them play wow |
| 04:20.01 | Guerin | shen|whiskers: oh, I speak a bit. Enough to get into arguments with taxi drivers ;) |
| 04:20.04 | shen|whiskers | I played a real korean guy once |
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| 04:20.15 | metbsd | did you win? |
| 04:20.17 | Guerin | ZOMG, a real live korean! |
| 04:20.19 | shen|whiskers | hell no I didn't. |
| 04:20.24 | shen|whiskers | he beat me and 4 other people |
| 04:20.24 | shen|whiskers | teamed |
| 04:20.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:20.41 | Guerin | he was probably 13 |
| 04:20.44 | metbsd | i used to play sc with korean, they lost to me sometimes |
| 04:20.49 | shen|whiskers | by real korean I mean he lives in and came from korea |
| 04:20.54 | metbsd | and i'm chinese |
| 04:20.57 | shen|whiskers | and he is a 16 yr old korean exchange student :p |
| 04:21.05 | metbsd | chinese beats korean and korean beats the rest of the world |
| 04:21.18 | shen|whiskers | I dunno |
| 04:21.22 | shen|whiskers | I think pretty much |
| 04:21.29 | shen|whiskers | asians in general pwn at everything |
| 04:21.44 | Guerin | i learnt to play go (aka baduk, weiqi) from koreans - It took me a month or two, but I did eventually beat my 12 year-old teacher. Twice! |
| 04:21.58 | wad | go rocks! |
| 04:22.02 | Guerin | yes it does |
| 04:22.06 | shen|whiskers | I suck at go :p |
| 04:22.19 | wad | I'm 7k on gokgs.com |
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| 04:22.23 | Guerin | but damn, is it hard, unless you dedicate many hours of your life |
| 04:22.33 | Guerin | wad: oo, nifty. |
| 04:22.35 | wad | Same nick on that server. :) |
| 04:22.41 | metbsd | korea is just a small country |
| 04:22.41 | Guerin | gnugo can still beat me almost every time |
| 04:22.53 | Guerin | metbsd: compared to china, *everything* is |
| 04:23.07 | metbsd | korea is as big as smallest province in china |
| 04:23.19 | metbsd | i'm in china now |
| 04:23.31 | Guerin | metbsd: that stands to reason, being chinese |
| 04:23.33 | Guerin | metbsd: where? |
| 04:23.43 | metbsd | shenzhen, next to hongkong |
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| 04:24.01 | Guerin | ah yeah. I got down as far as Guangzhou before heading back inland |
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| 04:24.48 | metbsd | are you chinese or foreigner |
| 04:24.54 | metbsd | Guerin, |
| 04:24.58 | wad | I beat gnugo the other day, on level 10. |
| 04:25.04 | bullgard4 | What DEB program package does provide the kernel module 'parport'? |
| 04:25.04 | Guerin | I'm a Nyu Zillunner |
| 04:25.09 | wad | I usually lose, though. |
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| 04:25.21 | Guerin | bullgard4: parp[ort is in every debian kernel. It's a module. |
| 04:25.30 | wad | KGS is really the place to play go. :) |
| 04:25.35 | maddash | bullgard4: kern module. just load it. |
| 04:25.52 | Guerin | wad: yeh. I should dedicate an hour a day to it. |
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| 04:26.13 | bullgard4 | Quintin, maddash: Thank you very much. |
| 04:26.14 | wad | Oh, hey, back to my current question: I'm running linux on a box with no OS (running xebian from a DVD). I want to mount my floppy drive. What's the trick? |
| 04:26.40 | JonasNZ | hey guys, I have a debian box which I would like to turn into the gateway for the network, i basically want it to be a generic firewall, to do nat, and some basic qos. any suggestion where I should start reading, or what packages are going to be of ue to me, (I dont really understand iptables yet) |
| 04:26.48 | Guerin | wad: it might be /dev/fd0 |
| 04:27.00 | wad | I found /dev/fd |
| 04:27.04 | wad | but not fd0 |
| 04:27.16 | wad | I tried mounting fd, but it complains it's not a block device. |
| 04:27.31 | wad | As you can probably tell, I haven't messed with linux much on a low level like this. |
| 04:27.37 | Guerin | JonasNZ: the easy way to do it crudely is to install ipmasq |
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| 04:28.04 | Guerin | JonasNZ: for something a bit more flexible, start with http://feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.sh; and hack to your needs |
| 04:28.10 | Guerin | it's quite self-explanatory |
| 04:28.24 | maddash | wamount floppy |
| 04:28.28 | Guerin | JonasNZ: as far as qos is concerned, there are a bunch of options - trickle, wondershaper, etc... |
| 04:28.36 | metbsd | is there way to access partition in vmware from host?? |
| 04:28.39 | JonasNZ | Guerin, ok ill do some reading |
| 04:28.46 | maddash | wad: `modprobe floppy ; ls /dev/fd*` |
| 04:28.58 | JonasNZ | You don't have permission to access /~lewis/iptables.sh on this server. |
| 04:28.58 | Guerin | wad: i haven't used a floppynin ages - is there a /dev/fda1 or something |
| 04:29.06 | wad | cool, lemme try it |
| 04:29.07 | Guerin | JonasNZ: oh, .txt, not .sh |
| 04:29.11 | JonasNZ | thnk |
| 04:29.17 | Guerin | the .sh is my copy, disabled for obvious reasons |
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| 04:33.29 | Guerin | grr, I need to buy a quad bike, but they're all more expensive than my last car, FFS |
| 04:33.35 | indraveni | Guerin, in #gnome, they are saying it must be debian based |
| 04:34.21 | Guerin | indraveni: hm, well, your guess is as good as mine, then. Perhaps ask on debian-user@lists.debian.org or in #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 04:35.00 | maddash | why are my bash_completions so damn slow?? there's a 2 sec delay each time I open an rxvt |
| 04:35.31 | indraveni | Guerin, I solved the issue |
| 04:35.35 | indraveni | Guerin, its my fault |
| 04:35.45 | netdaemon | hm |
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| 04:35.52 | Guerin | indraveni: usually the case ;) |
| 04:35.55 | Guerin | indraveni: how? |
| 04:36.01 | indraveni | Guerin, my theme is having a file which is named as desktop.in instead of .desktop |
| 04:36.09 | Guerin | grrr |
| 04:36.13 | Guerin | typical |
| 04:36.14 | indraveni | so I renamed the file. it worked |
| 04:36.26 | indraveni | Guerin, thankyou for you guidance |
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| 04:42.26 | Azar | hey , cool tool! mmv to rename buncha files |
| 04:42.44 | Azar | I knew about mv but this is sooo cool |
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| 04:44.49 | Guerin | see also rename |
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| 04:45.21 | maddash | what do you folks use your root window for? |
| 04:45.37 | Azar | Guerin: rename does lots of files at same time? |
| 04:46.07 | Azar | the article on mmv say that mmv can move, rename, copy, append and link large amounts of files with a single command.. |
| 04:46.11 | Guerin | Azar: it does various sed/perl functions on file globs worth |
| 04:47.05 | Guerin | maddash: mine has a tile of http://feayn.org/~lewis/clarkvader.jpeg, which is the topic of my current research |
| 04:47.18 | Guerin | maddash: to remind me when I'm slacking off that I should be working |
| 04:48.44 | maddash | clark vader is your research topic? |
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| 04:48.51 | Guerin | indeed |
| 04:49.22 | Guerin | the character assassination of a strong female leader by her disgruntled male fat-cat opponents |
| 04:49.34 | maddash | er |
| 04:49.45 | Guerin | or, should I say, *attempted* character assassination |
| 04:50.44 | Azar | Guerin: vaguely I remember seeing a movie with this topic years ago... |
| 04:51.04 | junix-other | where is the cgi-bin dir located in etch for apache2? |
| 04:51.09 | Guerin | Azar: don't suppose you recall the name? |
| 04:51.13 | Azar | not sure if was some kind of half porn.. |
| 04:51.17 | Guerin | junix-other: /usr/lib/someplace |
| 04:51.20 | Guerin | Azar: ... |
| 04:51.22 | Azar | Guerin: no... long ago I forgot it |
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| 04:51.25 | junix-other | k |
| 04:51.35 | Azar | Guerin: well, not porn, sexy |
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| 04:52.37 | Azar | the topic: disgruntled male fat-cat subalterns plot character assasination of their female leader by publishing her private (sexy) life |
| 04:52.59 | Guerin | zzzzzzzz |
| 04:53.03 | Azar | :) |
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| 04:53.56 | Azar | Guerin: your topic would have arrived at time with the fall of female opponent at the French's presidency :) |
| 04:54.03 | xjkx2 | Wtf...by default the /home/user/(files) is r-x why would anyone let another user read another's users files?? he can set it to --- to other but that would be annoying doing each time, cant i make it default to each created file, the OTHERS woulnd't have any access? |
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| 04:54.18 | Guerin | yes, but I think Royal's failure was mosly her own doing |
| 04:54.38 | JeffH | Are there any good tools for recording configuration changes made to a system? |
| 04:54.38 | Guerin | xjkx2: you get the option at install time. If you care, change it. |
| 04:55.08 | Guerin | JeffH: not really. |
| 04:55.09 | xjkx2 | Guerin: what does the option say? |
| 04:55.09 | Azar | xjkx2: well, if you read the file permissions topic in the documentation, you could see you can block those on another way: directory permissions :) |
| 04:55.09 | indraveni | what is the command to find out the package name from which a command is generated |
| 04:55.20 | Guerin | xjkx2: i can't remember. dpkg-reconfigure adduser; is probably the way to get it again |
| 04:55.35 | Guerin | indraveni: dpkg -L |
| 04:55.36 | Azar | xjkx2: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 04:55.42 | xjkx2 | Azar: nah, i dont want users to guess what files are there in other one's home and read it |
| 04:56.11 | Guerin | xjkx2: oh, you mean the file umask |
| 04:56.11 | indraveni | Guerin, I dont have the package installed. I want to find out which package installation will give me a particular command |
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| 04:56.23 | Guerin | xjkx2: i was referring to the dir permission, sorry |
| 04:56.32 | xjkx2 | o.o |
| 04:56.53 | Guerin | xjkx2: though withou o+x they won't be able to read it anyway |
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| 04:58.09 | xjkx2 | Guerin: in their home directory permission? lile /home/user has rwx-rwx--- and then even if chmod 777 file.txt noone would be able to pico /home/user/file.txt? |
| 04:58.15 | xjkx2 | like~ |
| 04:58.26 | Azar | xjkx2: x : Since directories can never be executed, the execute bit has a different meaning. For directories, execute permission means permission to access files in the directory... |
| 04:58.50 | xjkx2 | uhmm |
| 04:58.56 | indraveni | Guerin, any idea ? |
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| 04:59.10 | indraveni | Guerin, ok I want to know which package will give me chvt command |
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| 05:00.01 | Azar | xjkx2: if you read that link I gave you: r-- for a directory : The user, group, or other with these permissions may list the contents of the directory, but nothing else |
| 05:00.47 | Azar | ..The files in the directory can't be read, changed, deleted, or manipulated in any way :) |
| 05:01.06 | xjkx2 | sure, tested here, thanks, and so there is an option in installation of debian that I can make the others with no X by default when creating a user ? or any parameter like adduser -X lol :> |
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| 05:01.49 | Azar | xjkx2: take your time and read all that stuff.... lots of tips |
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| 05:03.51 | xjkx2 | sure :)) |
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| 05:04.50 | wad | I plugged a USB stick into my linux box, but I'm not sure how to access it. I see "USB device 2 is not claimed by any active driver". |
| 05:04.54 | wad | How can I mount it? |
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| 05:05.15 | wad | (I'm running xebian from DVD, on a box with no OS) |
| 05:05.47 | wad | Is there a way to tell the system to recognize that thumb drive? |
| 05:05.59 | wad | It can see that it's there, what kind it is, etc... |
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| 05:17.33 | sinthetek | i need to download a .deb independent of apt, yet all i can find on the developer's site are source packages |
| 05:17.53 | sinthetek | can someone tell me how to download something from a repo without apt? |
| 05:18.01 | sinthetek | or point me in the right direction to doing so |
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| 05:18.09 | sinthetek | google hasn't been too helpful, either |
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| 05:19.31 | roxy_ | sinthetek: a repository has nothing special. Just go there and pick up what you want. |
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| 05:21.13 | roxy_ | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto |
| 05:21.21 | sinthetek | ok, i found it already |
| 05:21.34 | sinthetek | i had never looked in /pool before |
| 05:21.39 | sinthetek | heh |
| 05:22.04 | sinthetek | i've prolly needed to get one independent of apt like 10 times and have never successfully found one via ftp until now, hehe |
| 05:22.14 | sinthetek | i bet in all those times i looked that was the only folder i didn't check, too :P |
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| 05:23.06 | sinthetek | one more question |
| 05:23.09 | sinthetek | http://debian.planetmirror.com/debian/pool/non-free/m/madwifi/ |
| 05:23.22 | Guerin | NOFP |
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| 05:23.33 | Guerin | !madwifi |
| 05:23.33 | dpkg | i guess madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
| 05:23.33 | qiyong | !mailman |
| 05:23.33 | dpkg | from memory, mailman is an excellent Python-based mailing list manager. http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ |
| 05:23.35 | gigamonkey | I'm trying "aptitude -t unstable search mercurial" and it's not finding anything. Am I doing something obviously wrong? |
| 05:23.36 | sinthetek | 0.9.2 was updated most recently |
| 05:23.43 | qiyong | !ml |
| 05:23.43 | dpkg | methinks ml is meta-language, a functional language used by computer science professors to frustrate their students.. Mali, or short for Mailing List |
| 05:23.57 | sinthetek | but 0.9.3 is latest version |
| 05:23.59 | Guerin | gigamonkey: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:24.04 | sinthetek | yet last updated a month ago |
| 05:24.15 | Guerin | gigamonkey: be careful about mixing distros. It's not very supported here. |
| 05:24.38 | sinthetek | besides that, one 'etch' in the filename while the other doesn't |
| 05:24.47 | gigamonkey | Guerin: should I just install it myself from source? |
| 05:24.47 | roxy_ | qiyong: you can use /msg dpkg *** |
| 05:24.52 | sinthetek | the one that doesn't has no release in it's name |
| 05:25.16 | qiyong | roxy_, is there any good ML ? |
| 05:25.28 | sinthetek | so i was wondering which you'd suggest grabbing? |
| 05:25.41 | roxy_ | qiyong: I know nothing about mailing list. |
| 05:26.05 | sinthetek | the one that says etch and was updated more recently? or the latest version? |
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| 05:29.26 | sinthetek | wow |
| 05:29.40 | sinthetek | my grammar is really slipping tonight, hehe |
| 05:30.16 | sinthetek | ok, well thanks for your help |
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| 05:30.43 | Guerin | gigamonkey: no, i suggest you look for a backport, or build your own debian package using checkinstall, if there's no newer debian source package anywhere |
| 05:30.59 | Azar | gigamonkey: the precompiled debian packages are preferred, if you compile on your own from some net source, you gotta deal with dependencies on your own |
| 05:33.27 | gigamonkey | Azar: So my debian foo is weak. I tried "aptitude search mercurial" and it found nothing. Then I googled and found a package listed as being in "unstable" thus my original query about "-t unstable". But as far as I can tell aptitude can't find anything to do with mercurial. Is there a precompiled package I'm missing somehow? |
| 05:33.56 | gigamonkey | (FWIW, on Ubuntu there was a package that installed with no problem and I built from source on my OS X box.) |
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| 05:34.18 | cast | mercurial is in etch |
| 05:34.32 | gigamonkey | Trying to build from source on Debian I'm getting "error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.3/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)" |
| 05:34.41 | roxy_ | gigamonkey: what is your platform ? I got mercurial on testing. |
| 05:35.48 | gigamonkey | roxy_: sadly, I'm not even sure. It's a VPS with "debian" on it. Is there an easy way to find out the specific version. uname -a isn't telling me much. |
| 05:36.32 | roxy_ | gigamonkey: are you sure you haven't mispelled mercurial ? what does your source.list says ? |
| 05:36.46 | gigamonkey | Sorry, where does that live? |
| 05:36.52 | cast | gigamonkey: what VPS provider? |
| 05:36.56 | gigamonkey | tech.coop |
| 05:37.04 | cast | ahh. |
| 05:37.11 | cast | it lives in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:37.17 | Azar | gigamonkey: what debian version are you running? searching for a package in the repository ment for YOUR debian version : apt-cache search <packagename> |
| 05:37.42 | gigamonkey | roxy_: looks like sarge |
| 05:38.01 | Azar | gigamonkey: you can then use "backports" to get a package from a higher debian version |
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| 05:38.15 | roxy_ | gigamonkey: or upgrade to etch |
| 05:38.19 | Azar | gigamonkey: /msg dpkg backports |
| 05:38.21 | gigamonkey | How hard would it be to simply upgrade? |
| 05:38.29 | cast | it would be quite easy :) |
| 05:38.40 | roxy_ | gigamonkey: do you have anything critical on it ? |
| 05:38.43 | Azar | gigamonkey: have to read the release notes first |
| 05:38.48 | gigamonkey | cast: that's what I was hoping |
| 05:38.57 | gigamonkey | roxy_: not yet. |
| 05:39.02 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 05:39.13 | roxy_ | gigamonkey: then you should upgrade. |
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| 05:39.43 | zu22 | running Debian testing, went to play a Open GL game and it told me it detected my hardware rendering was disabled, how do i enable it? i have laptop and ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x integrated gfx card, xorg automagically detected all the settings and setup my /etc/X11/xorg.conf which looks fine, i see my gfx card in there and DRI is set to "Mode 0666", some step i'm missing? |
| 05:39.50 | Azar | gigamonkey: look in /etc/apt/sources.list: what version is listed on your sources? |
| 05:40.01 | zu22 | is there quick test to verify if hardware rendering in gfx card is working in x.org ? |
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| 05:41.43 | gigamonkey | Azar: sarge |
| 05:41.53 | Azar | zu22: not aware of how testing goes... sorry |
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| 05:42.25 | Azar | gigamonkey: take a little time, read the release notes, see what is "changed" or will change in Debian Etch and what you need to prepare for the upgrade. |
| 05:43.14 | Azar | gigamonkey: uname -r see what kernel version you got |
| 05:43.31 | zu22 | Azar: ok, is there any general sort of way i can detect if my hardware rendering is working (like some X command line program) cause maybe the game is just misdetecting or something. |
| 05:43.36 | gigamonkey | 2.6.11-xenU |
| 05:43.50 | Azar | ewww custom kernel.... definitely read the release notes |
| 05:43.58 | cast | ewww old custom kernel |
| 05:44.03 | dan2 | how do you kill a zombie process |
| 05:44.05 | dan2 | <defunct> |
| 05:44.34 | Azar | tarzeau |
| 05:44.47 | cast | gigamonkey: linode.com seems roughly 4x cheaper btw |
| 05:44.49 | Azar | zu22: if tarzeau is around here he is good with gaming stuff |
| 05:44.57 | zu22 | dan2: try 'kill -9 <pid>' |
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| 05:45.04 | zu22 | Azar: ah ok |
| 05:45.20 | Azar | Azar to tarzeau: over |
| 05:45.22 | dan2 | zu22: I've been trying that, no good |
| 05:45.36 | gigamonkey | cast: yeah, but tech.coop is run by folks I somewhat know. |
| 05:45.39 | zu22 | dan2: try 'kill -HUP <pid>' as root, make sure u kill the parent process |
| 05:45.51 | zu22 | dan2: if there are children, maybe you just trying to kill a child process |
| 05:46.05 | roxy_ | gigamonkey: tell them to upgrade their system then :-) |
| 05:46.35 | gigamonkey | yeah. Just sent them an email. |
| 05:46.48 | gigamonkey | Nice thing about tech.coop is they'll probably actually reply promptly. |
| 05:46.53 | Azar | gigamonkey: send them the release notes link too :) |
| 05:46.58 | gigamonkey | At least they always have so far. |
| 05:47.03 | zu22 | lol |
| 05:48.03 | g00se | cast: Can you ever get *real* root access with guys like linode though? |
| 05:48.13 | Azar | zu22: I personally use the nvidia ... dunno about ATI but it should be some workaround.. |
| 05:48.47 | zu22 | Azar: ah |
| 05:48.58 | cast | g00se: can you ever get *real* root access in a vps? i'm confused. you have our own kernel instance running, which you are root. linode uses UML |
| 05:49.11 | Azar | tarzeau is good with graphics accelleration for games... |
| 05:49.28 | cast | g00se: what do you want to do on linode that you can't without real root access? :> |
| 05:49.56 | g00se | cast: should probably have read that more before jumping in ;-) |
| 05:50.38 | netdaemon | anyone know of a lightweight media player that does library managing and what not? |
| 05:50.40 | netdaemon | something not amarok/rhythmbox in other words |
| 05:51.17 | Azar | media as in sound only or sound+video? |
| 05:51.20 | g00se | cast: i see Etch is offered. Normally my answer to your last q would be 'reinstall the OS' |
| 05:51.29 | cast | FWIW there is one limitation of linode, they don't let you compiile you run your own kernel, you can talk to them - if you had a good reason i'm think they'd be happy to |
| 05:51.46 | cast | compile and run* |
| 05:51.50 | netdaemon | Azar, sound |
| 05:51.59 | Azar | netdaemon: xmms? I am happy with it |
| 05:52.12 | netdaemon | does it have library management? |
| 05:52.24 | Azar | netdaemon: it sure has |
| 05:52.38 | cast | what is 'library management'? |
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| 05:52.56 | netdaemon | cast, ever use amarok or rhythmbox? perhaps exaile? |
| 05:52.58 | Azar | cast: put his songs neatly in alpha-numerical order I guess |
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| 05:53.16 | dim_ | hi |
| 05:53.23 | ampex | I prefer OpenVZ to UML |
| 05:53.23 | cast | netdaemon: no! mp3 players with sql backends scare me |
| 05:53.33 | netdaemon | lol |
| 05:53.38 | ampex | www.vpslink.com offers affordable OpenVZ VPS hosting |
| 05:53.45 | netdaemon | i'm looking at mpd + frontend so far... |
| 05:53.50 | ampex | I also run a VPS host based upon OpenVZ personally |
| 05:53.51 | cast | ampex: different kinds of virtualization, sure - openvz is probably more efficent :) |
| 05:53.54 | netdaemon | cast, mp3 is evil =\ |
| 05:54.07 | netdaemon | sounds crappeh |
| 05:54.07 | Azar | ogg use ogg |
| 05:54.07 | tarzeau | zu22: what's up? |
| 05:54.09 | zu22 | ogg the base |
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| 05:54.11 | netdaemon | ogg or flac |
| 05:54.11 | dim_ | I want to install debian testing. Where could I get a netinst image for testing? |
| 05:54.11 | netdaemon | hehe |
| 05:54.16 | zu22 | tarzeau: hiya |
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| 05:54.21 | tarzeau | morning Azar |
| 05:54.25 | Amarande | alviarin:/home/amarande# mkfs -t vfat -v /dev/sda1 |
| 05:54.26 | Amarande | mkfs.vfat: No such file or directory |
| 05:54.29 | zu22 | tarzeau: having issue with hardware acceleration |
| 05:54.29 | cast | dim_: of ypi dpm |
| 05:54.30 | Amarande | where do I get that? |
| 05:54.31 | Azar | morning mister tarzeau! |
| 05:54.42 | cast | dim_: if you don't know that are you sure you should use testing? |
| 05:54.45 | zu22 | tarzeau: just sent ya info via MemoServ heh sorry |
| 05:54.46 | tarzeau | be quick, i'll go make photos for textures/level maps the whole day (without internet) |
| 05:54.49 | Azar | cast: I only listen to mod, s3m, xm |
| 05:54.50 | netdaemon | i suppose you guys are right, i really don't need a library...my music is organized in folders by album and artist |
| 05:54.54 | tarzeau | zu22: nvidia or ati? |
| 05:54.55 | zu22 | wow |
| 05:54.59 | zu22 | tarzeau: ati |
| 05:55.04 | zu22 | tarzeau: m3 agp 2x |
| 05:55.13 | tarzeau | zu22: did you install the ati fglrx binary driver? |
| 05:55.22 | zu22 | tarzeau: nope never was aware of that |
| 05:55.36 | tarzeau | zu22: www.ati.com :) |
| 05:55.38 | ampex | cast: I jumped in late on the conversation, what was the question/issue in regards to Linode? |
| 05:55.43 | Azar | teh binaree blobs |
| 05:55.52 | zu22 | tarzeau: i usually try to find a Debian solution first heh before 3rd party drivers |
| 05:56.10 | zu22 | tarzeau: thx will try that |
| 05:56.21 | tarzeau | zu22: no way you can play 3d games fast with nvidia cards without the binary driver (debian way or not) |
| 05:56.28 | tarzeau | zu22: the binary driver of ati is non-free too |
| 05:56.30 | zu22 | tarzeau: i guess it cannot be packaged into Debian since it violates the DSFG |
| 05:56.31 | tarzeau | zu22: good luck |
| 05:56.35 | Azar | zu22: if you are a gamer... go with tarzeau... on the dark side |
| 05:56.38 | zu22 | tarzeau: ah right, thx |
| 05:56.40 | zu22 | Azar: lol |
| 05:57.22 | cast | ampex: ahh none, really. someone asked if you could get real root in linode, |
| 05:57.28 | ampex | what's wrong with binary drivers? |
| 05:57.30 | zu22 | tarzeau: please delete those MemoServ messages since u dont need to read em now , save your weary eyes heh |
| 05:57.36 | Amarande | hmm, will vfat fs made with nonstandard mkfs.vfat options not be properly usable under Windows? |
| 05:57.40 | tarzeau | zu22: k |
| 05:58.14 | Azar | ampex: power of choice: some like to stay clean of proprietary software(drivers) some prefer to go and grab them and use for stringent needs: gaming |
| 05:59.00 | tarzeau | Azar: the problem is some nvidia cards aren't supported by the nv driver at all |
| 05:59.11 | tarzeau | Azar: that was the case for years with xfree and sarge |
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| 05:59.29 | tarzeau | Azar: sure vesa you say... what if even that don't work? |
| 05:59.33 | Azar | tarzeau: yes indeed. Only older cards go with nv... newer.. nope |
| 05:59.37 | tarzeau | netdaemon: depends on the card you know |
| 05:59.47 | tarzeau | netdaemon: and on your needs, try playing brutalchess? |
| 06:00.09 | netdaemon | tarzeau, i don't game often, thats why i do fine without them =) |
| 06:00.11 | Azar | my nvidia card goes ok with both, nv and nvidia. |
| 06:00.15 | netdaemon | if i do...snes emulator |
| 06:00.19 | netdaemon | hehe |
| 06:00.27 | tarzeau | netdaemon: there's plenty 2d games ... :) it's just for the 3d stuff |
| 06:00.31 | unix_infidel | anyone here played video over wireless, what kinda bandwidth does it require? |
| 06:00.40 | netdaemon | i'm old school |
| 06:00.40 | netdaemon | hehe |
| 06:00.49 | tarzeau | netdaemon: play nethack? |
| 06:00.53 | Azar | :) |
| 06:01.01 | unix_infidel | hmm? |
| 06:01.02 | netdaemon | sometimes |
| 06:01.04 | cast | nooo...don't load a 68mp3 as a playlist |
| 06:01.06 | Azar | frozentux |
| 06:01.06 | netdaemon | i suck at it |
| 06:01.14 | tarzeau | netdaemon: try harder ;) |
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| 06:01.46 | Azar | netdaemon: for three years I played nothing else but nethack.. |
| 06:01.49 | zu22 | i play netrek that is very old school 2D woo :) |
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| 06:01.54 | Amarande | hmm, is there any proper way to repartition a USB hard drive without having to reboot? |
| 06:02.05 | Amarande | I keep getting that "device or resource busy, the kernel is still using the old table, reboot" thing |
| 06:02.25 | netdaemon | zu22, netrek? |
| 06:02.25 | netdaemon | hrm |
| 06:02.38 | zu22 | netdaemon: join #netrek for enlightenment or visit www.netrek.org :) |
| 06:03.12 | Azar | zu22: you are in a deep forrest, front of you is a cave, at the left are bushes, on the right are trees.... hehe speaking of old games |
| 06:03.17 | unix_infidel | anyone, wondering what kinda bandwidth is required to play compressed divx video over wireless. |
| 06:03.36 | metbsd | only freaks play that kind of game |
| 06:03.38 | unix_infidel | and what percentage of average wireless bandwidth is consumed when playing video, and if played over a remote desktop protocol |
| 06:03.55 | unix_infidel | how much bandwidth is consumed if that sorta "wrapper" is used, eg freenx, vnc, rdp |
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| 06:04.47 | zu22 | Azar: heh |
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| 06:06.46 | Amarande | hmm |
| 06:06.54 | Amarande | How do you suppress the automount of a USB hard drive under Debian? |
| 06:07.26 | roxy_ | metbsd: well, you're on #debian :-) |
| 06:07.35 | zu22 | Amarande: comment out the appropriate line in /etc/fstab |
| 06:07.54 | Amarande | it's not IN fstab |
| 06:08.12 | Amarande | I don't know what's mounting it, udev probably |
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| 06:11.11 | predder | Amarande, wouldn't it be in mtab, not fstab? |
| 06:11.33 | Amarande | predder: I'm trying to prevent it from automounting |
| 06:11.35 | Amarande | I can unmount it fine |
| 06:11.55 | predder | but if there's no entry in mtab I dont see how it can automount |
| 06:11.57 | Amarande | but ... see, I'm trying to recreate a partition, then format it vfat for backing up stuff to for a Vista box, since writing to NTFS on Linux isn't good |
| 06:12.06 | Amarande | but, in fdisk |
| 06:12.09 | predder | (well, aside from udev's black magic) |
| 06:12.22 | Amarande | as soon as I finish writing the partition table, before it can re-read the partition table successfully, something goes and automounts it |
| 06:12.31 | Amarande | so it CAN'T reread the table, because the device or resource is busy |
| 06:12.41 | Amarande | If I delete the partition entirely, it rereads the table just fine |
| 06:12.49 | predder | bah. That's annoying. Are you under etch? |
| 06:12.53 | Amarande | but as soon as I add it back in, I get the insistent automounting |
| 06:12.53 | Amarande | yeah |
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| 06:13.09 | Azar | there must be a reason he is not on my screen.. |
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| 06:14.18 | Amarande | predder: what program does the automounting? udev? |
| 06:14.27 | Amarande | and can udev be killed without further repercussions |
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| 06:14.55 | predder | well udev replaced hotplug so I assume it at least detects the event of a new volume being there |
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| 06:15.15 | Amarande | hmm, is it safe to do /etc/init.d/udev stop? |
| 06:15.16 | predder | as to killing the process.. unless it has an init script I wouldn't advise it |
| 06:15.47 | utopia_ | hey i'm trying to install debian over the internet using floppies to boot, do i just need boot.img & net-drivers-1.img? |
| 06:16.06 | predder | Amarande, perhaps even /etc/init.d/udev-mtab? |
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| 06:16.15 | predder | I'd suggest checking the man first. I'm not sure myself sorry |
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| 06:18.10 | Amarande | yeah, it was udev |
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| 06:19.18 | dion1979 | unix_infidel, an answer to your question is "depends on the bitrate" |
| 06:22.15 | utopia_ | any idea on what *.img i need to install debian from floppie's ? I'm guessing boot.img & net-drivers-1/2.img? |
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| 06:22.44 | Azar | hmmm floppies? 1990? |
| 06:22.59 | Azar | from like 17 years ago? |
| 06:23.08 | Amarande | Azar: I think he means to do a netinst on a system without a CD/DVD drive |
| 06:23.09 | utopia_ | hah |
| 06:23.13 | utopia_ | you got to make do |
| 06:23.35 | utopia_ | i've a cd drive alright just no burner so i'm trying to install over the internet using floppies to boot,ja |
| 06:23.36 | Azar | utopia_: connect and use the Debian netinstall... |
| 06:24.01 | Azar | hmm |
| 06:24.20 | wols | utopia_: do you have windows on your harddisk already? |
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| 06:24.24 | wols | utopia_: or a linux? |
| 06:24.37 | utopia_ | window's |
| 06:24.48 | wols | utopia_: www.goodbye-microsoft.com |
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| 06:24.53 | utopia_ | but i don't want to partition drives or anything like that i just want to install debian on this machine |
| 06:24.54 | zapw | anyone know of an adduser gui? |
| 06:25.05 | shiki | ive been trying to set up my audio card, it is a Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio, and i cannot get it to work can anyone assist me please? |
| 06:25.16 | wols | utopia_: do you have free, unallocated space on your harddisk? |
| 06:25.25 | melanie | hello, I'd like to know for school how to check a pc for viruses with a live-cd |
| 06:25.27 | Amarande | zapw: if you installed GNOME with Debian, you have one |
| 06:25.35 | wols | shiki: what did you try until now? |
| 06:25.38 | Amarande | Desktop -> Administration -> Users and Groups |
| 06:25.43 | utopia_ | wols, nope, my hard drive is allocated all to windows |
| 06:25.53 | Azar | wols: I am not sure if I think he wants to install Debian over windows.. completely |
| 06:25.57 | wols | melanie: you need a live CD that comes with a virus scanner. there aren't mayn if any of those for linux |
| 06:25.59 | mick_home | is there an rss interface to the bts? i'd like to read the latest bugs via rss for a particular package |
| 06:26.03 | utopia_ | yea i do azar |
| 06:26.11 | Amarande | heh, personally I'm about to switch back from Debian to Vista |
| 06:26.14 | zapw | Amarande, i have xfce |
| 06:26.15 | wols | utopia_: not possible. you need a partition or better two (for swap) for debian |
| 06:26.15 | Amarande | well, not so much switch back |
| 06:26.21 | Amarande | since it was XP to Debian to Vista, really |
| 06:26.31 | Azar | utopia_: so for sure you want a "replacement" of windows with Debian. Totally, right? |
| 06:26.33 | wols | Azar: the installer from windows won't do this |
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| 06:26.37 | shiki | wol, alsaconf, reloading modules, adding options to modules, upgrading kernel, recompiling custom kernel, killing proccess that used it, think thats all |
| 06:26.40 | utopia_ | yep azar |
| 06:26.40 | mick_home | Amarande: i actually just did the opposite (since i was fed up w/ Vista being unstable) |
| 06:26.58 | Amarande | mick_home: is your PC up to the task? |
| 06:27.05 | melanie | wols: which live-cd for example. our teacher expects freeware. |
| 06:27.15 | Amarande | the general impression I'm getting is that most Vista problems arise from inadequate system specs |
| 06:27.16 | Azar | utopia_: if you can't burn the netinstaller cds.... order them. Its only shipping and handling: order only the minimal install: 1 CD |
| 06:27.27 | mick_home | Amarande: brand new HP laptop - bought it a month ago - some latest and greatest crap |
| 06:27.28 | wols | melanie: there is no decent virus scanner for linux that is free |
| 06:27.30 | Amarande | unfortunately, most pre-built computers especially are woefully inadequate |
| 06:27.36 | mick_home | Amarande: for the amount that i paid for it. |
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| 06:27.38 | utopia_ | wols, mm okay, if i create a second partition during the debian install can i delete it and install debian into one partition then? |
| 06:27.43 | mick_home | ... it sure as hell better be |
| 06:27.45 | Amarande | why do PCs ship with GeForce 6150's these days, anyay? :| |
| 06:28.21 | wols | utopia_: you can delete the windows partitiona nd install debian instead while installing yes. I misunderstood you before |
| 06:28.25 | mick_home | i guess i'll ask the bts question in another channel |
| 06:28.37 | melanie | wols: aren't there any free virus-scanner? |
| 06:28.46 | wols | you can do this with either goodbye-microsoft.com or the floppy install |
| 06:28.54 | wols | melanie: OT here |
| 06:28.55 | utopia_ | cool, thx wols! |
| 06:28.55 | mick_home | melanie: clamav |
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| 06:29.19 | mick_home | there are a few frontends to it |
| 06:29.33 | wols | mick_home: saying clamav is a good virus scanner is like saying Windows is a good OS |
| 06:29.52 | melanie | mick_home: is it easy to use? |
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| 06:30.19 | mick_home | wols: check my cloak :-P |
| 06:30.58 | mmnicolas | haha |
| 06:31.04 | wols | mick_home: I have installed clamav for people by my own choice. I still don#t think it's a very good virus scanner. in fact I think AV programs are mostly a waste of ressources and placebos :P |
| 06:31.05 | Azar | utopia_: if you need the cds: http://www.getlinuxfast.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=13 |
| 06:31.32 | Amarande | ergh |
| 06:31.36 | mick_home | melanie: klamav is nice (i think it is easy to use in KDE) |
| 06:31.36 | Amarande | what's the maximum size of a file on fat32? |
| 06:31.51 | shiki | I've got a problem with my sound card it is an Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2), i've tryed several methods to make it sound but still i have no sound, could anyone help me? |
| 06:31.53 | wols | Amarande: 5GB or so. check wikipedia, it knows |
| 06:32.05 | wols | !tell shiki about anyone |
| 06:32.07 | Amarande | 41019744 . |
| 06:32.07 | wols | !tell shiki about ask |
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| 06:32.17 | Amarande | I'm assuming I can't tar that into a single tar and expect it to go onto a fat32 drive. |
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| 06:32.23 | wols | shiki: either you ask a specific question or no one will help you |
| 06:32.28 | melanie | mick_home: can i install klamav on a knoppix-live-cd |
| 06:32.29 | melanie | ? |
| 06:32.36 | Azar | shiki: what is your pain? |
| 06:32.45 | mmnicolas | i guess a virus scanner is only useful if you are distributing content over windows machine ? |
| 06:32.53 | netdaemon | !suspend |
| 06:32.53 | dpkg | suspend is, like, check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
| 06:33.02 | Gryfelhase | Hi. Wich version is automake on etch? |
| 06:33.22 | basanta | does anyone know camorama equivalent for kde ? |
| 06:33.56 | Amarande | I wonder how long before we start seeing viruses that put people into comas. :) |
| 06:34.11 | utopia_ | ive got an error wols, it couldn't open c:\grldr for writing? |
| 06:34.14 | Amarande | And that try to spread and take command of the entire Internet AI style. |
| 06:34.19 | mick_home | melanie: are you using knoppix right now? |
| 06:34.24 | karsten | mmnicolas: Mostly. |
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| 06:34.43 | melanie | no, i only have it on a live-cd |
| 06:34.51 | mmnicolas | so a virus scanner is suggested in the case of a standalone desktop ? |
| 06:34.52 | karsten | mmnicolas: mail, file, print, webserver, or otherwise handling content that Windows users might come into contact with. |
| 06:35.06 | mmnicolas | ok, that's what i thought |
| 06:35.19 | Amarande | actually, that makes me wonder something, karsten |
| 06:35.21 | karsten | mmnicolas: See above. Not particularly necessary, not entirely useless though. |
| 06:35.23 | mmnicolas | it's no kind of self-protection |
| 06:35.31 | karsten | mmnicolas: No. |
| 06:35.32 | wols | utopia_: there is no such file. what windows do you run? |
| 06:35.33 | Amarande | is Wine going to start causing people to become more vulnerable to Windows viruses? |
| 06:35.51 | Amarande | perhaps not as system-wide as on a real Windows system, but enough to corrupt someone's Wine programs and possibly lead to password theft etc.? |
| 06:35.52 | nevyn | possibly |
| 06:36.06 | nevyn | Amarande: sure. |
| 06:36.08 | wols | Amarande: it already is |
| 06:36.18 | melanie | is it possible to install virus-scanners on the knoppix-life-cd. and if it's possible, how can i do this |
| 06:36.19 | melanie | ? |
| 06:36.22 | Amarande | yeah, it did just occur to me that wine is a security hole |
| 06:36.28 | Amarande | and starts to defeat the point of running linux in the first place |
| 06:36.31 | wols | !tell melanie about knoppix |
| 06:36.37 | wols | mick_home: we can't support knoppix |
| 06:36.38 | mick_home | melanie: you might want to also try #knoppix -- you can not install packages from a live cd -- now you can install Knoppix to your harddrive -- and then install klamav (to be honest the likelyhood of getting a virus in Linux is not that great at the moment -- compared to Windows) |
| 06:37.03 | mick_home | wols: i know |
| 06:37.17 | wols | mick_home: sorry. should have been melanie. bad nick complete |
| 06:37.30 | mick_home | no problem |
| 06:37.49 | wols | utopia_: sorry. I just saw you run vista. I guess the installer won't work there (vista uses antoehr bootloader than XP or win2k) |
| 06:38.01 | utopia_ | i run xp ;\ |
| 06:38.14 | netdaemon | anyone know what i can install to get media button's working? |
| 06:38.15 | wols | utopia_: then ther eis a ntldr on c:\ |
| 06:38.16 | mmnicolas | ohh he themed it like vista |
| 06:38.17 | mmnicolas | :P |
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| 06:38.51 | karsten | Amarande: to a certain extent, yes. I run MSIE6.0 under WINE at work as it's required for some work websites. I allow it access to only the company's own domain, as a risk minimization strategy. |
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| 06:39.01 | melanie | ok, thanks although. |
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| 06:39.29 | shiki | whats the command to show wich modules i got loaded? |
| 06:39.29 | karsten | Amarande: ... IIRC Sourceforge ran an article on attempting to run viruses in WINE. Most failed. |
| 06:39.44 | mmnicolas | shiki: lsmod |
| 06:39.51 | shiki | mmnicolas: thx |
| 06:40.01 | Amarande | oh, bloody hell |
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| 06:40.10 | Amarande | I can't copy files with | in the name to a vfat partition |
| 06:40.11 | karsten | Amarande: ... as a vector, it's not paritcularly interesting (it's a subset of the already small Linux userbase). There are better ways to get at Linux, and at Windows users. However, yes, WINE entails some risk. |
| 06:40.25 | karsten | Amarande: Quote the name? |
| 06:40.38 | Amarande | cp: cannot create regular file `/media/usbdisk/amarande/.xchat2/xchatlogs/SorceryNet-ninya|work.log': Invalid argument |
| 06:40.40 | mmnicolas | otherwise it'll be a pipe |
| 06:40.47 | Amarande | There's a slew of similar errors as I back up this system |
| 06:41.05 | mmnicolas | these are not errors |
| 06:41.10 | shiki | i am using, Debian Unstable, my sound card doesnt get to sound, no ERROR MSG, no logs, alsaconf says it is well configured and should work OK, snd_hda_intel which it is the module that the sound card uses to sound and sill no sound, mixers all full volume and not muted, could anyone help me? |
| 06:41.10 | Amarande | It doesn't mind the .xchat2 directory name, but it hates | in filenames |
| 06:41.11 | mmnicolas | no they are |
| 06:41.13 | mmnicolas | :P |
| 06:41.20 | mmnicolas | try these "" |
| 06:41.31 | karsten | !tell shiki about set up sound |
| 06:41.35 | mmnicolas | cause | is a pipe |
| 06:41.41 | utopia_ | great, it worked, thanks for the help everyone, next time i'm talking to you it will be from debian :) |
| 06:41.49 | hark | Amarande: because it dosen't support it |
| 06:41.58 | karsten | shiki: Can you get sound on this system under any other OS? |
| 06:42.18 | karsten | !tell shiki about sound |
| 06:42.20 | shiki | karsten: works good in windows |
| 06:42.37 | karsten | shiki: Ok, that rules out broken hardware. |
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| 06:43.02 | karsten | shiki: You've tried setting levels with *both* aumix *and* alsamixer? |
| 06:43.07 | shiki | karsten: alsaconfs detects it and ends as a succesful insall |
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| 06:43.43 | shiki | karsten: using gnome sound panel, is in max, not muted |
| 06:44.46 | karsten | shiki: Use alsamixer and aumix |
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| 06:47.13 | shiki | alsamixer, aumix volume maxed, and still |
| 06:47.22 | mike1- | I have a silly question.. what would i type to get security updates? apt-get update update? |
| 06:47.47 | karsten | shiki: OK. |
| 06:48.00 | karsten | !tell shiki about pastebin |
| 06:48.09 | karsten | shiki: lsmod | sort; Paste output. |
| 06:48.20 | karsten | shiki: Also dmesg |
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| 06:49.00 | magicsmoke2 | how do I repartition on the fly |
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| 06:49.18 | karsten | magicsmoke2: Tragically. |
| 06:49.47 | magicsmoke2 | debian doesnt support on the fly repartitioning |
| 06:50.10 | karsten | magicsmoke2: First off, define what you mean. |
| 06:50.12 | mutante | parted ? |
| 06:50.13 | mike1- | question. does apt-get upgrade apply new security release? |
| 06:50.36 | karsten | mike1-: In stable and testing, yes, unstable doesn't get security releases. |
| 06:50.38 | mmnicolas | magicsmoke2: why would you want to do this on the fly |
| 06:50.47 | magicsmoke2 | I mean how can i take empty space from one of my partitions ang give it to the other without having to reboot the operating system |
| 06:51.03 | karsten | magicsmoke2: Secondly: any filesystem magick *really* ought to be performed w/ full backups. Don't cry to us when your data's gone. |
| 06:51.05 | mutante | mike1-: yes, if you have security releases in your apt sources.list |
| 06:51.17 | mmnicolas | magicsmoke2: parted of cfdisk |
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| 06:51.28 | karsten | magicsmoke2: parted and lvm offer you multitudinous ways to lose your data. Sometimes. |
| 06:52.01 | magicsmoke2 | linux offers many ways to screw up in general if your new to it - as i have found out many times |
| 06:52.36 | shiki | karsten: http://pastebin.com/931173 |
| 06:54.04 | karsten | shiki: Have you suspended/resumed this system? |
| 06:54.14 | karsten | shiki: ... during this boot cycle? |
| 06:54.23 | shiki | karsten: no |
| 06:56.06 | karsten | shiki: lspci | egrep -i '(audio|sound)' |
| 06:56.25 | karsten | shiki: i don't see a driver specirically for your sound card. |
| 06:56.52 | cast | if i'm root and i run 'su user' to get back to root, all i have to do is 'logout'. now if i su user, then run ./evilapp is there any way that can get back to root so easily? |
| 06:57.10 | shiki | karsten: as i am concern of snd-hda-intel is the module to make it sound and alsa is the daemon, okey let me do that |
| 06:57.12 | jelly-home | magicsmoke2: _if_ you used lvm, and _if_ you used filesystems with online resizing abilities, it might be done. Otherwise you'll need to at least unmount some partitions, which can't really be said it "on the fly" |
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| 06:57.23 | karsten | shiki: lspci output please. |
| 06:57.25 | Amarande | hmm |
| 06:57.32 | Amarande | I wonder how long it's going to take 40 gigs of data to copy |
| 06:57.40 | jelly-home | magicsmoke2: if you don't have lvm, and only have a single disk, forget it. |
| 06:57.59 | karsten | magicsmoke2: You can generally not _shrink_ live filesystems, though you may be able to grow them safely. |
| 06:58.12 | karsten | magicsmoke2: Personally, I backup, repartition, create filesystems, restore data. |
| 06:58.21 | shiki | karsten: 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
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| 07:00.00 | karsten | shiki: Thanks. |
| 07:00.22 | jelly-home | Amarande: you can take a look at something like "vmstat 1" or "iostat -x 1" and estimate |
| 07:00.38 | shiki | karsten: :) no problem...... |
| 07:00.43 | karsten | shiki: Asus mobo? |
| 07:00.46 | karsten | shiki: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Asus_A7T |
| 07:01.04 | shiki | karsten: i dont know what mobo this got |
| 07:01.11 | Amarande | actually, I probably shouldn't copy all this data :P |
| 07:01.25 | karsten | shiki: dmidecode should give you that. |
| 07:01.52 | Amarande | Not only did I get files that couldn't copy |
| 07:01.59 | Amarande | but then I went to the backup drive and found half the things were corrupt |
| 07:02.05 | Amarande | is mkfs.vfat defective? |
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| 07:02.46 | karsten | shiki: Googling that, I see several reports that this works under linux, taht page seems to be one of the better ones. |
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| 07:03.19 | jelly-home | Amarande: use archives or a normal fs. |
| 07:03.21 | sinthetek | shouldn't all interfaces show up in network-admin? |
| 07:03.30 | sinthetek | or are they only added during installation? |
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| 07:03.39 | karsten | sinthetek: ifconfig -a |
| 07:04.16 | sinthetek | ... |
| 07:04.29 | shiki | karsten: ive tryed googles solutions, but it just dont seem to work at all... some of them works by native kernel, only minimal problems like soun channels problems, or when plugged with audiculars spekares doesnt mute... but mine simply doesnt sound :) |
| 07:04.30 | jelly-home | Amarande: vfat has a lot of strange limitations, 2GB file size, limited filename support, no symlinks or hardlinks... |
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| 07:04.51 | Amarande | jelly-home, drive needs to be readable from a Windows machine as well |
| 07:05.28 | jelly-home | Amarande: hmph. ext2fs + driver from fs-driver.org? |
| 07:06.50 | sinthetek | i take it that's a 'yes they should, so if they aren't the module isn't being loaded until after whatever script that gives network-admin it's info is run |
| 07:06.53 | sinthetek | ' |
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| 07:07.05 | karsten | shiki: bedtime |
| 07:07.23 | sinthetek | or maybe a 'network-admin only detects eth* interfaces' |
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| 07:07.55 | shiki | karsten: good night, thx for everything |
| 07:09.05 | Gryfelhase | Hi. Wich is the newest version of automake on etch? |
| 07:09.17 | wols | !tell Gryfelhase about pdo |
| 07:09.57 | wols | sinthetek: have you done what karsten told you? |
| 07:09.58 | jelly-home | Amarande: even if you used ntfs you'd still have problems with strange filenames, but possibly a bit less. FWIW, I can create "foo|bar" on my XP partition with ntfs-3g. |
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| 07:10.14 | Amarande | amarande@alviarin:~$ ls -laR | grep lrwxrwxrwx |
| 07:10.22 | Amarande | hmm, that should be enough to check to see that there are no symbolic links, right? |
| 07:10.25 | sinthetek | wols: i did that about 30 min ago, yes |
| 07:10.41 | sinthetek | wols: the interface is present and i can set it manually |
| 07:11.09 | Amarande | jelly, do you remember if @ is a valid character in FAT32 filenames? |
| 07:11.14 | utopia_ | hey when i try to launch the debian installer, it recongizes my hard drive and then tries to recongize other harddrive devices that dont exist so im guessing i need to edit the grub file somewhere and delete them devices being looked for? |
| 07:11.24 | Gryfelhase | thx @ wols |
| 07:11.26 | jelly-home | Amarande: I don't |
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| 07:13.31 | utopia_ | any idea's? |
| 07:14.18 | sep | utopia_, the debian installer does not use grub, afaik. |
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| 07:14.57 | utopia_ | i've got grub installed, it can boot either windows xp or the debian installer but the debian installer won't boot |
| 07:15.09 | niru | using latest debian-installer |
| 07:15.15 | utopia_ | it finds my hard drive, then looks for other hard drives and fails soon after |
| 07:15.19 | utopia_ | afaik i am |
| 07:15.29 | niru | at the installation process in the final stage of installtion |
| 07:15.41 | sep | utopia_, if it found the harddrive can't you just skip to the next step in the installer menu |
| 07:15.52 | utopia_ | no sep :( |
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| 07:16.16 | sep | utopia_, final stage ? what debian version are you installing |
| 07:16.46 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:17.03 | utopia_ | the latest afaik, im using the app off goodbye-microsoft.com to install..ill write down the error i get and come back, hng on |
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| 07:19.29 | niru | the image goes and blocks are seen |
| 07:19.37 | niru | nothing is visible |
| 07:19.51 | niru | shows only blocks of data |
| 07:20.05 | niru | blocks in square shape |
| 07:20.15 | niru | but the installation completes successfully |
| 07:20.35 | niru | what could be the reason of not showing up a proper image |
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| 07:30.33 | utopia_ | ok basically, this is what i get; Try (hd0,0): NTFS5:5, Try(hd0,1/2/3):invalid or null..cannot find grldr in all devices |
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| 07:30.54 | utopia_ | then i have to restart, thus i end up back in windows |
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| 07:31.24 | utopia_ | is there some way i can stop it from looking for grldr on hd0,1/2/3 |
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| 07:33.37 | poncha | is there any way i can print an html document (not as source) to a local cups printer from commandline ? |
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| 07:34.55 | sep | poncha, html2text | lpr |
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| 07:35.46 | sep | poncha, if you want it with images and stuff use html2ps instead |
| 07:35.59 | wols | utopia_: there is no grldr ever in your XP. there is only ntlodr |
| 07:36.26 | poncha | sep, html2ps produces non-parsable postscript from my document :( [any ps2* crashes on it] |
| 07:36.45 | poncha | sep, and yeah, i need it with colors and images and css |
| 07:37.15 | poncha | the original html document is in hebrew in utf-8 encoding |
| 07:37.56 | utopia_ | wols, ive got c:\grldr ? |
| 07:38.10 | wols | yo do? |
| 07:38.13 | utopia_ | yea |
| 07:38.16 | utopia_ | ;\ |
| 07:38.24 | wols | what partition is your windows one? |
| 07:38.41 | utopia_ | hd0,0 |
| 07:39.02 | utopia_ | i havent created a second partition, do i need to? i was hoping to just install debian over windows on hd0,0 |
| 07:39.24 | wols | no, the installre wi.ll guide you through partitining |
| 07:40.51 | utopia_ | if i could get there :) |
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| 07:41.51 | wols | paste your boot.ini |
| 07:42.10 | wols | hm... why do you have grub? grub is only installed at the end of the install IIRC |
| 07:42.27 | utopia_ | one sec |
| 07:42.41 | unknow990 | anybody that can help me to integrate with mail gateway? |
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| 07:43.21 | wols | integrate what with mail gateway. and what do you call "mail gateway" in the first place? |
| 07:43.22 | sep | wols, he uses the windows 2debian web based installer |
| 07:43.33 | sep | i think it installes grub and dualboots windows / debian installer |
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| 07:43.44 | wols | sep: I know. I did myself last thurstday. there is no grub unlsss the debian install wored |
| 07:44.11 | wols | this installer changes the windows bootloader to boot linux for the first time, no grub |
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| 07:45.34 | sep | utopia_, sounds like you did manage to run the installer the first time. gor grub installed, sounds like you messed up somehow, and should rerun the debian installer |
| 07:45.53 | sep | especialy if you wanted only debian. but ended up with a dualboot system |
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| 07:46.34 | utopia_ | i dont want to paste my boot.ini here too large |
| 07:46.43 | utopia_ | ive got an entry for ubuntu too tho |
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| 07:47.20 | utopia_ | sep, i havent ran the debian installer yet |
| 07:47.23 | utopia_ | it won't let me |
| 07:47.26 | utopia_ | it error's out |
| 07:47.53 | Nwallins|home | anyone know a good channel for video editing? |
| 07:48.02 | wols | !paste |
| 07:48.02 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 07:48.29 | sep | utopia_, so you had windows + ubuntu in a grub dualboot ? and tried to run the debian webbased installer from windows ? |
| 07:48.49 | sep | utopia_, get http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst the netinstall cd and install using that. |
| 07:49.22 | utopia_ | i can't..no cd burner.. no ubuntu never was installed..i was going to install it |
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| 07:52.08 | utopia_ | can i prvmsg you my boot.ini wols? |
| 07:52.11 | sep | utopia_, since you allready have grub, i suspect that it might be tricky to use the debian web based installer. try using the usbpen installer or if you have any livecd laying around, you can use debootstrap. |
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| 07:53.01 | utopia_ | sep, ive grub4dos apparently, so the guys in #grub inform me |
| 07:53.11 | utopia_ | they reckon it could be a prob. with my BIOS settings |
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| 07:53.58 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:54.02 | Amarande | does 4330 MiB fit on a DVD? |
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| 07:55.12 | KermitTheFragger | Amarande: why wouldn't it ? |
| 07:55.24 | Amarande | I was trying to remember exactly what the limit was |
| 07:55.35 | KermitTheFragger | 4.7 iirc |
| 07:55.56 | KermitTheFragger | GB that is |
| 07:56.06 | KermitTheFragger | for single layer |
| 07:56.56 | magicsmoke2 | correct Kermit |
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| 07:57.51 | magicsmoke2 | Amarande it fits with about 99% of the disc to spare |
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| 08:02.57 | trekdanne | good morning, everyone |
| 08:03.10 | reber | hey ! |
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| 08:06.18 | jelly-home | 4.7GB _is_ about 4.3GiB. |
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| 08:08.30 | reber | i installed debian on an athlon |
| 08:08.42 | reber | Can i move the hd on a pentium1 straight ? |
| 08:09.02 | jm|work | reber: installed or compiled? |
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| 08:09.14 | reber | jm|work, installed |
| 08:09.14 | metbsd | depends what kernel |
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| 08:09.36 | reber | metbsd, debian etch netinstall |
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| 08:10.41 | Guerin | reber: install a -486 kernel and it should be fine |
| 08:10.53 | reber | kay |
| 08:11.14 | Guerin | NOT a -686 kernel or anything else |
| 08:12.06 | reber | wow seems debian doesn't support 386 anymore... |
| 08:12.10 | jm|work | Is Pentium1 586? |
| 08:12.25 | reber | jm|work, yes. |
| 08:12.39 | Guerin | reber: the linux kernel doesn't really |
| 08:12.45 | reber | but _not_586 |
| 08:12.51 | Guerin | it can, but the default tree doesn't |
| 08:12.51 | reber | 686 |
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| 08:13.17 | reber | Guerin, does 2.4 support it yet ? |
| 08:14.08 | Guerin | reber: i think 2.4 might still do 386 |
| 08:14.12 | simmerz | my install of spamassassin by default has the following line in /etc/spamassassin/50_scores.cf: score 25FREEMEGS_URL 2.7, which is illegal as it can't start with a non-digit |
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| 08:14.27 | Guerin | `2' is a digit |
| 08:14.30 | simmerz | there are other lines too |
| 08:14.39 | Guerin | simmerz: but do you mean it needs to confirm to run-parts? |
| 08:14.40 | simmerz | yes I know, its the default install from the .deb |
| 08:14.47 | simmerz | Guerin: yes |
| 08:14.51 | Guerin | hm, ok |
| 08:15.03 | Guerin | and I take it it throws errors all over the shop |
| 08:15.07 | simmerz | yep |
| 08:15.12 | Guerin | stupiditude |
| 08:15.19 | simmerz | example: config: error: rule '25FREEMEGS_URL' has invalid characters (not Alphanumeric + Underscore + starting with a non-digit) |
| 08:15.19 | Guerin | consider filing a bug |
| 08:15.42 | simmerz | ok |
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| 08:21.49 | xpurple | I upgraded to etch and now my sound doesn't work. I installed alsa and can get it to work, but when KDE loads it stops working. Any ideas? |
| 08:22.16 | jm|work | does artsd use alsa? |
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| 08:22.25 | Guerin | kill artsd |
| 08:22.26 | xpurple | In the control center I told it to. |
| 08:22.30 | Guerin | in kcontrol |
| 08:22.32 | xpurple | I've also rebooted a few times. |
| 08:22.41 | Guerin | the only good arts is a dead arts |
| 08:22.45 | xpurple | heh |
| 08:23.01 | xpurple | I've tried the sound system disabled and enabled between reboots with the same effect. |
| 08:23.20 | jm|work | I haven't use KDE since v1.x so I only know of artsd/oss |
| 08:23.26 | xpurple | Ahh |
| 08:23.29 | xpurple | Should I be using oss? |
| 08:23.41 | jm|work | no! |
| 08:23.44 | jm|work | I doubt it |
| 08:23.46 | xpurple | I only installed alsa because oss wasn't working for some reason. |
| 08:24.07 | xpurple | I couldn't remember which I had installed and thought it must have been removed in the upgrade for some reason. |
| 08:24.09 | jm|work | if you have alsa running (which if I remember rightly is multichannel) you don't need to use artsd |
| 08:24.17 | jm|work | but I reckon you should /j #kde >> |
| 08:24.22 | xpurple | Ahh |
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| 08:24.29 | xpurple | Will do |
| 08:24.40 | xpurple | Sounds does work in console at least :) |
| 08:24.51 | jm|work | mpg123 ftw! |
| 08:24.55 | xpurple | hahaha |
| 08:24.59 | xpurple | I use mplayer. |
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| 08:27.49 | Guerin | yes, alsa is multichannel, with dmix |
| 08:28.02 | Guerin | transparentl;y, and much better than arts, which ruins teh sound |
| 08:28.04 | Guerin | !arts |
| 08:28.04 | dpkg | arts is, like, the multimedia framework of KDE, or teh sux, or see "esound". Arts Ruins Teh Sound |
| 08:28.09 | Guerin | see ;)? |
| 08:28.25 | xpurple | I think I found the problem. |
| 08:28.32 | xpurple | It's one of those "What the hell" things. |
| 08:28.39 | xpurple | PCM was set to a volume of 0 |
| 08:28.43 | Guerin | hah |
| 08:28.48 | Guerin | i remember that stupid default |
| 08:28.55 | Guerin | are you running woody? |
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| 08:29.03 | xpurple | etch |
| 08:29.07 | xpurple | I just upgraded today |
| 08:29.14 | Guerin | hm, ISTR that being fixed in sarge |
| 08:29.15 | jm|work | it's not /that/ stupid |
| 08:29.22 | jm|work | it limits damage to speakers |
| 08:29.30 | xpurple | Yes it does. |
| 08:29.32 | jm|work | and heart attacks :D |
| 08:29.35 | xpurple | hahahaa, yeah |
| 08:29.45 | xpurple | I'm rebooting and have saved the volume settings. |
| 08:29.48 | Guerin | jm|work: a sane default would have been, say, 25% - barely audible, but not likely damaging |
| 08:29.53 | xpurple | Lets see if it still works after a reboot :) |
| 08:29.57 | Guerin | though lord knows I can crank out a bit of sound on 25% |
| 08:30.00 | jm|work | Guerin: moot point :) |
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| 08:30.13 | Guerin | i wish I had my old sonophone gear |
| 08:30.14 | jm|work | xpurple: I hope this is a laptop |
| 08:30.14 | xpurple | Yeah, That's what I would say. Though, with my speaker setup 100% can be heard next door :) |
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| 08:30.21 | xpurple | no |
| 08:30.26 | jm|work | then why all the rebooting? |
| 08:30.30 | xpurple | jm|work: Why is that? |
| 08:30.45 | xpurple | To ensure that it works after I reboot because sometimes things don't. |
| 08:30.50 | jm|work | you can /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload or something? |
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| 08:31.06 | xpurple | Yeah, but I have a crappy sound card that gets stuck from time to time. |
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| 08:31.30 | Guerin | a mate was DJing a party and blew out his $3000 technics amp's fuses, and set my 20 year-old $50 sonophone up in ints place - 4x50W RMS, not these silly PMPO watts they have nowadays |
| 08:31.33 | jm|work | ooh me too |
| 08:31.39 | simmerz | Guerin: bug report filed |
| 08:31.39 | xpurple | Also, a few of the things I've tried made kde pretty useless untill I did a reboot. |
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| 08:32.03 | Guerin | I remember when a 25 watt per channel stereo was pretty loud - nowadays if you're not pushing 100Wpc you're nowhere |
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| 08:32.24 | Guerin | simmerz: cool. |
| 08:32.31 | Havis | Hi, I want to buy TV-tuner card for my PC, but I'm not sure which one will work flawlessly with debian. Anyone here with some advice? |
| 08:32.41 | Guerin | Havis: hauppage |
| 08:32.54 | jm|work | Guerin: heh: the physics are the same, really. 2x25W are enough to fill a 'normal' sitting room |
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| 08:33.03 | Guerin | jm|work: hell yeah |
| 08:33.12 | simmerz | Guerin: on a funnier note, and relevant to your sonophone comment, my wireless mouse died yesterday - I think it got eaten by the wireless cat! |
| 08:33.20 | jm|work | the sound ricers with their 100W don't really /want/ to appreciate the sound! |
| 08:33.35 | cirrus_ | Hi, I have deleted my conf.d in /etc/exim4/ and now wanted it to be reinstalled via apt-get remove --purge exim4; apt-get install exim4 , but only conf.d and its subdirs were created - but the subdirs are emtpy. What can I do to get the example files back in? |
| 08:33.46 | jm|work | at those levels even if distortion doesn't come from the cone itself, there will be reverb from walls, doors, lights, neighbours! |
| 08:33.46 | Guerin | jm|work: what's the difference between RMS and PMPO watts? |
| 08:33.51 | xpurple | Cool, works! |
| 08:33.56 | xpurple | Thanks guys :) |
| 08:34.01 | Guerin | I've been a sound tech, but only on the mic end, not on the speaker end |
| 08:34.02 | cast | exim4-config does something, me feels |
| 08:34.45 | jm|work | well: iirc RMS is the proper physics style wattage, then they invented some other acronym which I forget now which was sort of twice the figure for the same wattage then PMPO doubled that |
| 08:34.48 | cast | Guerin: PMPO is going to be the peak, but it might only be sustainable for 1/10th of a second, RMS is a much better measure which is averaging out the power |
| 08:34.58 | jm|work | what cast said! |
| 08:35.05 | Guerin | ah, that's as I figured |
| 08:35.15 | Guerin | i knew it was just Meaningless NUmber Inflation |
| 08:35.23 | jm|work | peak music power output |
| 08:35.27 | jm|work | wtf does that mean, anyway?! |
| 08:35.27 | Guerin | aha |
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| 08:35.44 | cast | Peak Music Power Output |
| 08:35.45 | Guerin | theyn should have just called them BOOOMtsss watts |
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| 08:36.03 | cast | just consider anything advertising PMPO in big letters to be a con of some sort |
| 08:36.11 | Guerin | yeh |
| 08:36.11 | jm|work | cast: for sure! |
| 08:36.33 | jm|work | 0.2GIGAWATTS! |
| 08:36.39 | jm|work | (pmpo) |
| 08:36.45 | Guerin | my current stereo is an old panasonic amp+cd, which I got for free because the cd doesn't work |
| 08:36.54 | Guerin | jm|work: heh |
| 08:37.04 | cast | jm|work: ahh, sorry, didn't notice you had looked up what pmpo :> |
| 08:37.22 | Guerin | i gave the sonophone to my sister when I went overseas, who got it impounded by noise control ;) |
| 08:37.30 | Guerin | that should be :( |
| 08:37.50 | jm|work | cast: in the annals of my mind? |
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| 08:38.11 | utopia_ | im installing debian using the app on goodbye-microsoft.com anybody know what i need to put in boot.ini for it work? |
| 08:38.24 | jm|work | my brain first said "peak measurement per ohm" but that sounded far too scientific for anyone who would use pmpo |
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| 08:40.06 | cast | i wonder how long the mean part of root mean square is over |
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| 08:40.45 | cast | i mean you could inflate values by just calculating it over a few seconds, thus not giving speakers enough time to catch fire |
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| 08:42.49 | jm|work | cast: I thought it was the duration of the wavelength ... |
| 08:43.14 | cast | jm|work: is that easily defined in music? |
| 08:43.15 | jm|work | school was sooooo long ago |
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| 08:43.28 | cast | id agree for a normal sinusidial wave |
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| 08:48.17 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 08:48.17 | gypsymauro | how I can disable a shortcut in xorg? |
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| 08:48.22 | simmerz | why does vi on a default debian etch install not play nice with the up/down keys? It puts odd characters and new lines in all over the place |
| 08:48.26 | gypsymauro | I want to prevent users to press F1 for example |
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| 08:49.10 | xpurple | simmerz: hjkl! |
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| 08:49.43 | simmerz | hjkl? |
| 08:49.52 | xpurple | Use those keys to move around. |
| 08:50.04 | xpurple | This only works when in command mode. |
| 08:50.21 | simmerz | oh right. and when in insert mode? |
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| 08:50.28 | simmerz | up and down work fine except when in insert mode |
| 08:50.30 | xpurple | You don't. |
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| 08:50.40 | xpurple | You swtich back to command mode to move the cursor. |
| 08:50.41 | simmerz | erm, you can on every other distro I've tried |
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| 08:50.54 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 08:51.00 | xpurple | I don't think I've ever tried to use the arrow keys in vi. |
| 08:51.27 | Arafangion | xpurple: You can't. You can in vim, though. |
| 08:51.32 | simmerz | xpurple: for example, on Gentoo, I can move around quite freely and type where I need to in insert mode. |
| 08:51.40 | simmerz | is it because I'm using vim-tiny? |
| 08:51.41 | xpurple | Oh |
| 08:51.54 | xpurple | doesn't know. |
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| 08:51.55 | DustyDingo | i am using the firefox from debian stable and members.tripod.com/~ashimg/Parser.html crashes the browser reproduceable |
| 08:52.09 | DustyDingo | can anybody confirm this? |
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| 08:52.56 | simmerz | xpurple: ah, installing "vim" works, but "vim-tiny" doesn't |
| 08:53.01 | xpurple | heh |
| 08:53.03 | xpurple | That would do it. |
| 08:53.13 | cafuego | DustyDingo: crashes firefox in Ubuntu as well |
| 08:53.23 | simmerz | :-) |
| 08:53.47 | xpurple | DustyDingo: Works here. |
| 08:53.52 | simmerz | btw, does anyone use a MS Wireless Bluetooth Mouse 8000? wondering how well it works |
| 08:53.53 | sep | DustyDingo, didnt crash here. never finished loading tho. and i have flashblock |
| 08:54.03 | sep | and it's UGLY AS HELL |
| 08:54.23 | cafuego | sep: page doesn't appear to contain flash |
| 08:54.25 | liable | hehe |
| 08:54.26 | xpurple | DustyDingo: Huge, huge font. |
| 08:54.34 | bolt | on the dhcp server on my hardware router i see all windows machines with their hostnames. all linux machines show up with their mac address only. is there a specific service i should install to make the machines announce their hostnames? |
| 08:55.40 | jm|work | bolt: isn't it part of dhclient.conf - and your dhcpd has to allow dynamic dns |
| 08:55.52 | liable | not to mention a 5million pixel wide page |
| 08:56.00 | fireba11 | DustyDingo : latest nightly on windows is still loading and parts fo the text are insanely hige but no crash |
| 08:56.02 | sep | cafuego, hmm one of the ad boxes must be flash occasionaly |
| 08:56.29 | DustyDingo | fireba11: ok |
| 08:56.31 | fireba11 | DustyDingo: got a flash blocker though :-D |
| 08:56.33 | cafuego | sep: oh yeh, probably. |
| 08:56.39 | DustyDingo | fireba11: i got one |
| 08:56.56 | jm|work | bolt: jamie@jamie:~$ grep send\ host\-name /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 08:56.56 | jm|work | #send host-name "andare.fugue.com"; |
| 08:57.58 | cafuego | damn those fugue hackers, they also changed config files on my amchines |
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| 08:59.51 | xpurple | Later |
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| 09:08.50 | GreaseMonkey | gonna get off now, gnight |
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| 09:12.53 | proti | morning |
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| 09:14.30 | metbsd | nlmclnt_lock: VFS is out of sync with lock manager! |
| 09:14.31 | metbsd | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempting to free lock with active block list (4) |
| 09:14.31 | metbsd | atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xe0 on isa0060/serio0). |
| 09:14.31 | metbsd | atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e060 <keycode>' to make it known. |
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| 09:14.50 | metbsd | can someone help me about this error |
| 09:15.02 | metbsd | nlmclnt_lock: VFS is out of sync with lock manager! |
| 09:15.15 | metbsd | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempting to free lock with active block list (4) |
| 09:15.23 | metbsd | atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xe0 on isa0060/serio0). |
| 09:15.37 | metbsd | atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e060 <keycode>' to make it known. |
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| 09:18.58 | metbsd | anyone? |
| 09:19.36 | omar | ? |
| 09:19.42 | azeem | metbsd: no need to repeat questions |
| 09:20.24 | metbsd | great! thanks! |
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| 09:22.59 | liable | metbsd: and what kernel is this? and where did you get it and what debian version is it on? |
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| 09:25.31 | metbsd | debian 4.0, kernel 2.6.10-rc3, i get it after it boots |
| 09:26.25 | liable | why are you running a .10 kernel on etch? do you have udev installed? |
| 09:26.53 | metbsd | don't ask me cuz i don't know |
| 09:27.16 | metbsd | someone installed it |
| 09:27.32 | omar | is there an application for gnome that is similar to knotes ? |
| 09:27.47 | liable | metbsd: well, upgrade the box properly for a start |
| 09:28.03 | metbsd | upgrade to what |
| 09:28.32 | metbsd | is there a actual fix to it? |
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| 09:28.41 | metbsd | like tracing the cause and fix |
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| 09:29.10 | metbsd | this server using nfs, if that helps |
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| 09:29.49 | metbsd | and MD monitor |
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| 09:32.20 | azeem | metbsd: there's no use in tracing a bug if you don't run the latest version of the package, at least from a community point of view |
| 09:32.29 | hark | omar: The gnome sticky notes applet |
| 09:32.31 | azeem | you can try to fix it for yourself, if you want |
| 09:32.42 | azeem | omar: tomboy |
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| 09:33.17 | metbsd | i can't keep upgrading a server, it cannot risk down time, you understand |
| 09:33.27 | azeem | metbsd: *shrug* |
| 09:33.29 | metbsd | that's the reason we use debian |
| 09:33.38 | azeem | use a supported kernel then |
| 09:33.48 | metbsd | this kernel is not supported by debian? |
| 09:33.55 | omar | is there an apt package |
| 09:33.55 | metbsd | 2.6.10-r3 |
| 09:33.56 | azeem | eh, no |
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| 09:34.06 | azeem | omar: for tomboy? ye |
| 09:34.06 | azeem | s |
| 09:34.52 | omar | waht about gnome sticky notes applet |
| 09:35.03 | azeem | tomboy supercedes it |
| 09:35.15 | azeem | not sure it sticky notes still exist |
| 09:35.33 | liable | metbsd: debian doesnt release rc kernels |
| 09:35.54 | liable | metbsd: and if you ever bother to read the release notes.. |
| 09:36.08 | hark | omar: if it's there, it should be part of gnome-applets |
| 09:36.18 | liable | metbsd: i am sure you cant risk downtime when you have a server that kernel panics... |
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| 09:37.17 | yangvnc | Does anyone know the URL of software for Linux supported axis cameras |
| 09:37.40 | metbsd | if i fix this problem by upgrading and it gives me more troubles subsequently, i guess i'll live with it |
| 09:38.33 | xand | yangvnc: what do you mean? those cameras don't require OS support as they run an OS (linux) themselves |
| 09:38.52 | metbsd | where is dmesg stored? |
| 09:38.58 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:39.15 | yangvnc | xand: ah ok |
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| 09:39.28 | xand | petemc: not that dmesg gives the same as /var/log/dmesg |
| 09:39.30 | yangvnc | xand: but only the newer models i think |
| 09:39.41 | petemc | xand: erm, what? |
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| 09:39.56 | xand | the dmesg command doesn't give the contents of /var/log/dmesg |
| 09:40.20 | petemc | fascinating.. |
| 09:41.08 | metbsd | hmm, dmesg shows different from /var/log/dmesg |
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| 09:41.57 | xand | metbsd: yes it does. |
| 09:43.47 | liable | you can cat /proc/kmsg |
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| 09:52.31 | jm|work | someone clarify bridging interfaces for me, please? |
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| 09:53.57 | jm|work | { DSL } --- [ Router ] --- eth0 --- [ mail/dns/etc. ] --- ath0 ~ ~ ~ ~ [ ap ] --- [ /24 ] |
| 09:54.28 | jm|work | if all IPs are in same subnet and on same segment would bridging eth0 and ath0 let me achieve what I want there? |
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| 10:00.20 | Enverex | Are the servers slow or is my connection being screwy? |
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| 10:03.59 | SlayerXP | Enverex: yes. |
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| 10:07.29 | wols | jm|work: yes. you need to bridge eth0 and ath0 and then assign an IP to te resulting br0 |
| 10:07.50 | wols | jm|work: you also need to enable ip_forwarding |
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| 10:12.40 | JonasNZ | so that was wierd, |
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| 10:12.50 | jm|work | wols: thought so. Thanks :) |
| 10:13.38 | JonasNZ | anyway i have setup ip masquerading on my debian box and now ping times on the network have increased by 5 - 10 times, and whenever someone is using even a limited ammount of bandwidth things time out immediately |
| 10:13.43 | JonasNZ | i suspect i may be doing something wrong |
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| 10:17.05 | _agn__ | i get this error "postfix/postdrop[3224]: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/873980.3224: Permission denied" |
| 10:17.10 | _agn__ | any ideas why ? |
| 10:17.15 | _agn__ | permissions seem to be fine |
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| 10:19.51 | Enverex | Erm, this is weird |
| 10:20.32 | Enverex | Are the 100.14.06-1 nVidia drivers in Experimental? |
| 10:22.03 | beap | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.06 | Enverex | Yeah |
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| 10:23.44 | Enverex | beap, Yes |
| 10:24.42 | beap | ok wait |
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| 10:25.52 | Enverex | Yesterday I dropped the ball and got rid of the Debian packages and installed the .run manually, so I was glancing through Synaptic and noticed it says 100x14x06 for the latest version which I didn't think was going to happen and is almost like someone taking the piss if it has, what would be interesting is if the nVidia run has made and installed Debian packages, heh |
| 10:25.53 | beap | Enverex, hope this link may help you http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=90214 |
| 10:26.19 | Enverex | beap, That's not even remotely relevant |
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| 10:33.00 | Enverex | hrm, it's missing bits anyway so it's useless, I'll stick to manual install |
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| 10:33.55 | k-man | does pvmove tend to be very i/o intensive? |
| 10:34.18 | k-man | can you adjust the io bandwidth pvmove uses? |
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| 10:35.14 | mass0ud | hello |
| 10:35.25 | mass0ud | which package are libc man pages in ? |
| 10:35.33 | mass0ud | i tried glibc-doc, but it doesn't seem to work |
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| 10:36.05 | Gigantic | mass0ud: man glib[TAB] |
| 10:36.30 | mass0ud | what ? |
| 10:36.47 | Enverex | Type "man glib" then hit tab |
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| 10:37.02 | mass0ud | it didn't work |
| 10:37.10 | mass0ud | I mean, nothing popped up on my screen |
| 10:37.16 | Holborn | man -k glib |
| 10:37.48 | efaistos | hi |
| 10:38.06 | mass0ud | nothing, Holborn |
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| 10:41.22 | Holborn | dpkg -l | grep manpages |
| 10:41.23 | dpkg | ii | grep manpages 2.3-3.3 holborn's private stamp collection |
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| 10:49.40 | vesacraze | hi. I'm having some trouble with etch in qemu. I'm trying to get the /dev/fb devices to showup, and adding video=vesafb to the kernel command line upon boot doesn't work. |
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| 10:50.12 | vesacraze | I'm also using the standard kernel. |
| 10:50.43 | vesacraze | btw the vesaprobe and testvbe commands in grub worked just fine. It reports as VESA 2.0, and I added -std-vga to qemu when I started it |
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| 10:55.00 | wols | _agn__: cause postfix runs in a chroot |
| 10:55.20 | wols | JonasNZ: how did you enable NAT? |
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| 10:56.14 | JonasNZ | wols, it wasnt the nat, it was a coincidence the host i was trying to ping seems to be getting lots and lots of traffic |
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| 11:02.10 | sn0 | etch gcc4.1 doesn't come with SPP -fstack-protector enabled by default does it? |
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| 11:06.33 | Enverex | Is there a metapackage for all the apps to build .deb files? |
| 11:07.36 | wols | apart from build-essential I don't know any |
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| 11:08.36 | Enverex | hrm, i.e. something that would contain things like dh_make |
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| 11:08.51 | liable | dpkg-dev iirc |
| 11:09.41 | Enverex | Already installed |
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| 11:10.21 | g00se | Apologies if you saw this but irc just crashed on me: |
| 11:10.23 | g00se | Following appears in /proc/mounts instead of /dev/hda1 - why? /dev2/root2 / ext3 ro 0 0 |
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| 11:11.15 | liable | g00se: did you reboot that box? |
| 11:11.24 | wols | g00se: it might be due to initrd, but I'm not sure |
| 11:11.42 | wols | liable: i had such a /dev/root entry before, under sarge even |
| 11:12.07 | g00se | It's a bit unsure what happened - nothing obvious in log, but it was rebooted |
| 11:12.13 | liable | wols: i havent ever seen it myself |
| 11:12.26 | liable | g00se: you have rebooted since yesterdays conversation? |
| 11:12.46 | g00se | liable: yes. Glad your memory's sharp ;-) |
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| 11:13.39 | g00se | And as yesterday, dmesg gives one repeated line: EXT3-fs error (device hda1) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
| 11:13.40 | liable | g00se: the kern.log still has nothing interesting? |
| 11:14.02 | g00se | liable: No. Nothing different than we saw yesterday |
| 11:14.48 | liable | ok, i cant think of anything else than what we already went through, so i'll shut up ;) |
| 11:15.07 | g00se | I take it i can't umount / over ssh? |
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| 11:15.41 | liable | its not a vm by the way? |
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| 11:17.47 | g00se | Ugh. I keep losing irc. Have i missed anything enlightening? |
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| 11:17.52 | xand | no |
| 11:18.01 | Overflo1 | hey ppl.. can i fix an ntfs partition using my debian? |
| 11:18.18 | xand | what's wrong with it? |
| 11:18.27 | JonasNZ | how does one defrag under linux? |
| 11:18.52 | Enverex | JonasNZ, Is your filesystem actually fragmented? |
| 11:19.04 | sep | JonasNZ, depends on the filesystem. |
| 11:19.13 | ilithanos | hey guys, got a little problem here, made a misconfig in my iptables nat setup, is there a way to reset iptables on debian to its default config? |
| 11:19.41 | sep | JonasNZ, and some filesystem dont get fragmented so there is no defrag |
| 11:19.42 | xand | iptables -F |
| 11:19.55 | ilithanos | thx |
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| 11:20.11 | JonasNZ | Enverex, well i dunno im presuming that the utilities would be able to tell me? |
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| 11:20.16 | JonasNZ | sep, xfs and reiser |
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| 11:21.30 | xand | ilithanos: and also iptables -t nat -F |
| 11:21.47 | Enverex | hrm, if I wanted to put -j4 as a make option for a debian package, where does it go? I see a place specifying CFLAGs but that obviously doesn't work |
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| 11:27.00 | nvz | JonasNZ: ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xfs#Online_defragmentation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiserfs#Features |
| 11:27.08 | ustunozgur | offtopic but, since there is no conversation, I guess it won't be a problem. can you digg http://www.digg.com/software/VLC_0_86c_Out? thanks. |
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| 11:27.24 | nvz | keep the change |
| 11:27.36 | NefariousPrior | No matter how many times I adjust the time with the `date` command... after a while it always changes and is WAY off. Anyoen know why this might be? |
| 11:28.17 | JonasNZ | cheers nvz |
| 11:28.18 | Enverex | Is there a debian "package maker" channel? |
| 11:28.23 | nvz | NefariousPrior: nope, nobody knows what clock drift is, or why ntp was invented |
| 11:28.37 | wols | !nm |
| 11:28.38 | dpkg | somebody said nm was New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 11:29.05 | metbsd | anyone familiar with exim |
| 11:29.06 | nvz | Enverex: #debian-mentors maybe |
| 11:29.32 | scrillaz | why do i have to always do ifup eth0 after every reboot? |
| 11:29.44 | xand | scrillaz: because your interfaces file is wrong? |
| 11:29.56 | Enverex | Is it safe to delete "manpage.1.ex" when building a package or will that stop any manpages from being installed? |
| 11:29.57 | scrillaz | ok |
| 11:30.08 | scrillaz | how do i correct it? |
| 11:30.16 | NefariousPrior | scrillaz: edit /etc/network/interfaces I'm sure your missing an 'auto' somehwhere in there. |
| 11:30.23 | Dewi | nvz: actually he asked a pretty specific question |
| 11:30.25 | ilithanos | hmm.... i need to setup an internet block in iptables, so that the server running nat wont allow host within a specifik iprange to connect to the internet, but they must be able to see the server and other network resources, is there a way i can block using the hosts specifik ip in ip tables so it wont forward it out on the internet? |
| 11:30.39 | Dewi | nvz: don't mock him for being polite |
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| 11:30.48 | spheard | !chroot |
| 11:30.49 | dpkg | it has been said that chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 11:30.49 | scrillaz | ok thnx NefariousPrior |
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| 11:32.46 | spheard | Im getting permission denied errors whn bind tried to write to its query log |
| 11:33.18 | scrillaz | NefariousPrior it was commented out |
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| 11:34.02 | scrillaz | gonna reboot and c what happens |
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| 11:34.45 | nvz | Dewi: doesn't take a gemis to know clock drift when they see it.. and ntp isn't a secret gaurded by the gods of time. ask a stupid question to "anyone" and you might just get mocked by "someone". my answer was in the same form as the question |
| 11:34.50 | NefariousPrior | nvz: Mind pointing me in the right direction or package to use ntp to keep my system up to date? |
| 11:35.13 | wols | Dewi: he is not polite. he wastes our time |
| 11:35.20 | yangoo1 | Enverex: just see, that you installed nvidia, but couldn't get whole thread |
| 11:35.37 | Enverex | yangoo1, eh? |
| 11:35.54 | yangoo1 | I ma trying just now, but have no luck installing the "debian way" |
| 11:36.04 | xand | Dewi: "anyone know"... is still a yes/no question ;) |
| 11:36.13 | wols | Enverex: are you trying to create a nvidia 100.x debian package? |
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| 11:36.31 | Enverex | wols, No, I have no idea where I'd start with that (I'm packaging something else). |
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| 11:36.51 | Enverex | wols, I looked at the existing Debian package for the nVidia drivers and it seemed to apply a few million patches |
| 11:36.57 | wols | Enverex: easy. witht he current nvidia drivers debian/ files :) |
| 11:37.01 | Enverex | yangoo1, I installed it manually |
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| 11:37.18 | Enverex | wols, As I said, it applies hundreds of patches, I doubt that would work |
| 11:37.19 | yangoo1 | Enverex: with the installer fom nvidia? |
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| 11:37.26 | Enverex | yangoo1, yes |
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| 11:38.14 | abrotman | !mentors |
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| 11:38.15 | dpkg | somebody said mentors was Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 11:38.49 | Insolit | anyone here has a usb audio device and has problems with sound? |
| 11:38.57 | spheard | Jun 15 12:15:31 ns named[23754]: logging channel 'query_log' file '/var/log/query.log': permission denied - Can anyone shed any light on this? I cant get bind to write its log file |
| 11:39.09 | Enverex | Argh, you have to be kidding, it gets to the end of a massive build and fails because I misspelled LICENSE :/ Now I have to start over |
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| 11:39.46 | Enverex | abrotman, The channel is empty and I don't intend to spend days on lists trying to get a response if anything |
| 11:40.08 | yangoo1 | Enverex: is http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers out of date for current xorg in testing? |
| 11:41.15 | Enverex | yangoo1, It's nothing to do with XOrg, the nVidia packages are for the old 9755 drivers |
| 11:41.22 | ilithanos | is there a way to prevent an iprange from getting out through the nat? |
| 11:41.30 | Gigantic | does somebody remember what's the URL to access Firefox settings? chrome://settings ? |
| 11:42.02 | yangoo1 | Enverex: I get the kernel module built without problems, but after modifying xorg.conf Driver from nv to nvidia, it just can't load this module |
| 11:42.34 | MoDaX | ilithanos: iptables -A FORWARD -i lanif -o inetif -s localsubnet/mask -d 0/0 -j REJECT |
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| 11:43.38 | MoDaX | Gigantic: about:config |
| 11:44.00 | MoDaX | yangoo1: modprobe nvidia |
| 11:44.03 | Gigantic | MoDaX: thanks |
| 11:44.24 | Gigantic | MoDaX: wasn't it chrome:// before ? |
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| 11:44.47 | Alex_WinKiller | hi guys I need help, it is urgent |
| 11:45.00 | Gigantic | !urgent |
| 11:45.05 | ilithanos | modax: could you comment it out abit pleace? i get that network part of it, but what if its not a whole subnet but maybe 10 ips within a subnet |
| 11:45.06 | MoDaX | Gigantic: it has been about:config for a very long time. maybe about:config is just a shortcut |
| 11:45.27 | Alex_WinKiller | I use find / name "*" -exec grep -ls myip {} \; and I want some script that can search and replace myip with mynewip |
| 11:45.29 | yangoo1 | Enverex: this procedure is described in http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers, but xserver.xorg looks by default in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers there is no such nvidia_drv.so |
| 11:45.33 | Alex_WinKiller | can someone help me ? |
| 11:45.34 | Gigantic | MoDaX: yep |
| 11:45.55 | MoDaX | ilithanos: then create every such rule for every ip |
| 11:46.01 | yangoo1 | MoDaX: modprobe nvidia already done, loads perfectly |
| 11:46.04 | Enverex | yangoo1, Why do you need a guide? Uninstall all packages with nvidia in their name then run the .run file, it's not rocket science. |
| 11:46.05 | spheard | Alex_WinKiller: describing your problems as urgent is a sure way of not getting any help. try #bash |
| 11:46.12 | Alex_WinKiller | everywhere , in entire system, apache conf files, vhcs, mysql |
| 11:46.23 | Alex_WinKiller | yea man |
| 11:46.25 | Alex_WinKiller | I got it |
| 11:46.30 | MoDaX | Alex_WinKiller: s/myip/newip/ ? |
| 11:46.33 | Alex_WinKiller | what command should I use |
| 11:46.44 | MoDaX | err, sed 's/myip/newip/' that is |
| 11:47.02 | Alex_WinKiller | just type it in bash ? |
| 11:47.05 | Alex_WinKiller | is that all ? |
| 11:47.16 | Enverex | hrm, I'm not sure which of these contol .ex files I can delete |
| 11:48.14 | MoDaX | yangoo1: what has Xorg.0.log to say? |
| 11:48.30 | MoDaX | Enverex: .ex = example. you can delete them |
| 11:48.50 | Enverex | MoDaX, aahh... so unless I remove the .ex from the end they aren't used anyway? |
| 11:48.59 | MoDaX | Enverex: yes |
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| 11:49.10 | MoDaX | Enverex: and even then they are not used |
| 11:49.16 | wols | yangoo1: what nvidia card do you have? |
| 11:49.27 | MoDaX | Enverex: unless you use appropriate dh_* command or cdbs |
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| 11:49.39 | yangoo1 | Enverex: if I can do it in a more compatible way looking forward to future kernel upgrades I would prefer to compile it directly with my kernels and not torun the installer every time... |
| 11:49.40 | Enverex | MoDaX, Ah great, the folder just got a lot less cluttered :P |
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| 11:50.03 | Enverex | yangoo1, You have to run module-assistant every time anyway so I see little difference |
| 11:50.14 | wols | yangoo1: then you must install the debian way |
| 11:51.46 | Rprp` | hmm, how can i get the command 'killproc', in wich paacke it is? :( |
| 11:51.49 | Rprp` | which* |
| 11:51.55 | wols | yangoo1: what nvidia chip and what debian release? |
| 11:52.04 | yangoo1 | wols: I have a 7300gt (bliss gainward) |
| 11:52.05 | wols | !tell Rprp` about search |
| 11:52.14 | Rprp` | wols: i did already |
| 11:52.14 | wols | yangoo1: and what debian? |
| 11:52.50 | wols | Rprp`: what is killproc supposed to do? |
| 11:52.51 | yangoo1 | wols: lenny on intel core2duo (emt64) |
| 11:52.57 | ustunozgur | Rprp`: apt-file search |
| 11:53.06 | NefariousPrior | Does ntp-simple require any configuration? I can't find any documentation for it. |
| 11:53.11 | ustunozgur | initscripts it yields |
| 11:53.17 | wols | ustunozgur: there is no killproc in debian |
| 11:53.21 | Rprp` | ustunozgur: apt-file not found... |
| 11:53.23 | MoDaX | NefariousPrior: just install and use |
| 11:53.27 | wols | !btssmite yangoo1 |
| 11:53.42 | NefariousPrior | MoDaX: thanks |
| 11:53.43 | wols | Rprp`: what is killproc supposed to do? |
| 11:53.50 | ustunozgur | wols: oops, sorry, it gave the answer for killprocs |
| 11:54.01 | ustunozgur | Rprp`: you have to apt-get it then. |
| 11:54.17 | wols | ustunozgur: I alrady told you ther is no killproc in dbeian |
| 11:54.26 | Rprp` | wols: Dunno, But i need it for a program |
| 11:54.39 | wols | Rprp`: then ask the maker of that program what it is |
| 11:54.48 | ustunozgur | wols: yes, and I said, sorry; I was just trying to show him the way to search for packages :) |
| 11:56.03 | Alex_WinKiller | MoDax and how do I bind both commands find / name "*" -exec grep -ls myip {} \ and sed 's/myip/newip/' |
| 11:56.18 | Alex_WinKiller | first search and second to replace ? |
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| 11:57.36 | MoDaX | Alex_WinKiller: find / -type f -exec sed -i 's/myip/newip/' {} \; |
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| 11:57.59 | MoDaX | Alex_WinKiller: but I believe you should not such broad replace |
| 11:58.05 | MoDaX | should not * |
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| 11:58.40 | SmokeyD | hey people. does apache 2.2.3 running on debian use tcpwrappers to allow/disallow traffic? |
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| 11:59.28 | ustunozgur | wols: is killproc simply a script? I found this http://www.boran.com/security/killproc , maybe that will suffice for him, will it? |
| 12:00.22 | stew | SmokeyD: no. apache has its own mechanism |
| 12:00.36 | Alex_WinKiller | ModaX , why not ? I have to change IP, that is all, I do /etc /var insted of / cuz system can hung out |
| 12:00.40 | SmokeyD | I know, but I don't want to use it in this case |
| 12:00.47 | xand | SmokeyD: no it doesn't, you have to use apache |
| 12:00.50 | xand | or a firewall |
| 12:01.05 | SmokeyD | I want to use fail2ban to disallow hosts from accessing apache |
| 12:01.21 | xand | SmokeyD: you could create iptables rules perhaps |
| 12:01.40 | SmokeyD | my firewall runs on a different machine |
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| 12:02.20 | stew | SmokeyD: that doesn't prevent you from using iptables on the machine running apache |
| 12:02.39 | SmokeyD | yeah ok, but then I would have to set up iptables on the machine |
| 12:02.46 | xand | you dont have to "set it up" |
| 12:02.49 | metbsd | dam it exim is hard |
| 12:02.51 | xand | it Just Works |
| 12:02.56 | xand | you just create a rule |
| 12:03.00 | SmokeyD | hmm, yeahI gues you |
| 12:03.04 | SmokeyD | 're right |
| 12:03.10 | SmokeyD | doesn't need any setup |
| 12:03.24 | SmokeyD | as long as there is a second firewall in front that is configured properly |
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| 12:03.47 | abrotman | Enverex: empty? on OFTC ? |
| 12:04.42 | SmokeyD | thanks for the suggestion xand |
| 12:04.47 | SmokeyD | and steve |
| 12:04.54 | SmokeyD | stew I mean |
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| 12:05.45 | Enverex | abrotman, It has 8 or so people in. Compare that with the normal ratio of active to idle people and that means about 0.2 people will be active in there |
| 12:06.00 | abrotman | Enverex: hrm .. used to have more |
| 12:06.30 | Alex_WinKiller | MoDax thnx dude it works :D |
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| 12:15.09 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:15.09 | dpkg | < justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp. |
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| 12:16.49 | SoulChild | why does aptitude want to remove some of my gnome packages like eog ,.. how can i fix this ? |
| 12:17.19 | stew | SoulChild: aptitude install eog |
| 12:17.28 | SoulChild | stew ,... thanks |
| 12:17.53 | stew | SoulChild: or if "aptitude install foo" wants to remove eog, run "aptitude install foo eog" |
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| 12:18.41 | SoulChild | stew: it still wants to remove this packages: esound evince file-roller gcalctool gconf-editor gdm gedit gedit-common |
| 12:18.41 | SoulChild | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.41 | SoulChild | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.41 | SoulChild | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.41 | SoulChild | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:19.06 | SoulChild | ups sorry |
| 12:19.18 | SoulChild | stew, did u read which packages are going to be removed ? |
| 12:19.21 | Enverex | SoulChild, You're trying to install something that conflicts with them or remove something that they depend on |
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| 12:20.58 | Insolit | is it problematic to manually compile alsa driver? |
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| 12:21.27 | SoulChild | Enverex: no i don't want to remove or install i simply typed aptitute update |
| 12:21.38 | SoulChild | Enverex: *aptitute upgrade |
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| 12:22.07 | stew | SoulChild: of learn to use the aptitude frontend |
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| 12:22.44 | SoulChild | hmm |
| 12:22.48 | stew | Insolit: not problematic. you should use m-a to compile ith though |
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| 12:23.12 | Insolit | what's that for stew? |
| 12:23.15 | stew | !m-a |
| 12:23.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 12:23.37 | stew | Insolit: aptitude install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i alsa |
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| 12:24.01 | Insolit | oh ok :D |
| 12:24.03 | Enverex | Argh, why doesn't dpkg-buildpackage check the files BEFORE building, so that it doesn't waste masses of time :( |
| 12:24.14 | g00se | liable: could this /dev2/root2 in /proc/mounts business be to do with the fact that i didn't change sources.list from saying 'stable' thru Sarge->Etch? |
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| 12:25.46 | liable | g00se: i would have to say yes, you have quite a few etch packages installed on that box already, problem is, you need to get / rw to be able to finish the upgrade |
| 12:26.40 | g00se | Was thinking it could be something to do with initrd? |
| 12:27.07 | liable | you have new initrd-tools iirc, but the initrd is still the old one |
| 12:27.40 | liable | i didnt think initrd-tools had anything to do with loading one, just making them |
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| 12:27.51 | Enverex | Erm, I'm trying to build a package and it failed "after" building the package. Is there any way to get dpkg-buildpackage to avoid rebuilding and use what is already there? |
| 12:27.52 | liable | but i do think it is somehow related |
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| 12:29.03 | g00se | liable: perhaps something could be done with this potential chroot on my 'b' disk? /b/chroots/sid-root |
| 12:29.48 | liable | g00se: i sure there's some way around it, i just dont know how ;) |
| 12:30.05 | g00se | What about chrooting into there? |
| 12:30.13 | Enverex | Ok... no answer to that. Can anyone tell me what syntax I use for "or" on the Depends: bit? |
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| 12:32.03 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 12:32.29 | gypsymauro | how I can do a coloured echo in sh? |
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| 12:33.01 | stew | Enverex: -nc |
| 12:33.21 | Enverex | steve, ... what was that an answer to? |
| 12:33.23 | stew | gypsymauro: google for 'ansi color codes' |
| 12:33.41 | stew | Enverex: "Is there any way to get dpkg-buildpackage to avoid rebuilding and use what is already there" |
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| 12:34.34 | liable | echo -e "\033[1mfoo text\033[0m" |
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| 12:34.52 | liable | gypsymauro: ^^ thats bold, dunno what the bits are for colour |
| 12:34.57 | Enverex | What about the "or" for depends in the control file? |
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| 12:35.28 | stew | Enverex: use | |
| 12:35.40 | gypsymauro | tanx liable |
| 12:35.41 | Enverex | steve, Just a single one? Whoops, I was using double |
| 12:35.41 | V-Napkin | hi guys |
| 12:36.13 | V-Napkin | i do just ask the question i have? or do i need to request a ticket first? ;) |
| 12:36.23 | abrotman | just ask |
| 12:36.28 | V-Napkin | alright :) |
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| 12:37.05 | stew | Enverex: yes, " grep-available -FDepends \| | less " will show you lots of examples |
| 12:37.43 | V-Napkin | well, running etch, need a custom exim4 package.. now, how do I version my custom package, so that a future package from security.debian.org will overwrite my package on an update? |
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| 12:37.56 | abrotman | will not overwrite ? |
| 12:37.59 | abrotman | !hold |
| 12:37.59 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 12:38.04 | V-Napkin | _will_ overwrite |
| 12:38.10 | abrotman | oh .. why would you want that? |
| 12:38.24 | abrotman | it will wipe out your customizations |
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| 12:38.30 | V-Napkin | yes |
| 12:38.36 | V-Napkin | i fear, that i won't get informed about a new package package |
| 12:38.39 | stew | V-Napkin: you should number it like an NMU, so if the current version is 1.2.3-1, yours should be something like 1.2.3-1.0napkin ; then put the package on hold |
| 12:38.48 | abrotman | V-Napkin: it will tell you that it is held back |
| 12:39.11 | V-Napkin | hmm... i've been using +mht.1 so far... not a good idea? |
| 12:39.23 | stew | V-Napkin: subscribe to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce and you'll get email if a new exim4 package is released |
| 12:39.24 | V-Napkin | .Nname is better? |
| 12:39.43 | stew | V-Napkin: no, yours is fine |
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| 12:40.08 | petemc | V-Napkin: out of interest, whats different betweem your exim4 and debians? |
| 12:40.12 | V-Napkin | nah, i don't wanna put it on hold... |
| 12:40.47 | abrotman | V-Napkin: putting it on hold is the smart thing to do .. it will tell you that it's being held back .. |
| 12:41.14 | V-Napkin | relinked against openssl (because of some mobile phone not working with gnutls and smtps) and SPAMD_TIMEOUT set to 240 |
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| 12:41.51 | Daejeo1 | how can I check what version fo apache I am running (deb/etch) |
| 12:42.02 | abrotman | Daejeo1: dpkg -l apache* |
| 12:42.09 | V-Napkin | hmmm.. i don't wanna put it on hold on every server.. takes too much time ;) |
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| 12:42.16 | abrotman | or look in the apache logs |
| 12:42.17 | V-Napkin | anyways... |
| 12:42.36 | earthian | how do i install grub onto the hard disk? |
| 12:42.43 | V-Napkin | my 4.63-17+mht.2 will be overwritten by the next security-updated package then? |
| 12:42.55 | V-Napkin | (currently there is 4.63-17 in etch) |
| 12:43.55 | Daejeo1 | abrotman: how can i remove apache? |
| 12:44.05 | abrotman | which version ? |
| 12:44.21 | abrotman | or dpkg -r apache* |
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| 12:44.41 | earthian | when i enter the grub shell, i type in "device (hd0) /dev/hda" then "root (hd0,0)" then "setup (hd0,0)" and finally "quit". is that enough? do i need to "grub-install /dev/hda" in the terminal after that too? |
| 12:44.50 | V-Napkin | stew ? are you sure ? |
| 12:44.58 | stew | V-Napkin: " if dpkg --compare-versions 4.63-17etch2 \> 4.63-17+mht.2 ; then echo yes ; else echo no ; fi " |
| 12:45.10 | V-Napkin | ahhh |
| 12:45.12 | V-Napkin | cool, thanks |
| 12:45.20 | V-Napkin | :) |
| 12:47.09 | Daejeo1 | abrotman: apache2 |
| 12:47.13 | V-Napkin | hmmm.. it won't be overwritten then :-/ |
| 12:47.22 | abrotman | V-Napkin: it's going to upgrade all your servers and kill your custom changes |
| 12:47.31 | V-Napkin | good |
| 12:47.33 | abrotman | Daejeo1: dpkg -r apache* |
| 12:47.34 | V-Napkin | i'm fine with that |
| 12:47.44 | abrotman | V-Napkin: then they'll be down/broken ? |
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| 12:47.57 | V-Napkin | it's easy to recompile later... the security update is more important |
| 12:48.16 | abrotman | V-Napkin: you could also subscribe to the d-s-a list/rss |
| 12:48.25 | V-Napkin | nah, on too many list already |
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| 12:49.15 | stew | i can't imagine a list i subscribe to that I would think is more important than d-s-a |
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| 12:49.31 | utopia_ | finally i got debian to install :D |
| 12:49.32 | petemc | debian-curiousa |
| 12:49.32 | V-Napkin | apticron does that job for me ;) |
| 12:49.37 | stew | heh |
| 12:49.53 | abrotman | or maybe d-d-a .. depending which versions you run |
| 12:49.53 | utopia_ | a++; |
| 12:50.14 | deeptz | hi |
| 12:50.26 | AndyMcGee | Hi there, how would you create a copy of a drive-partition (>2GB) over a network? I tried to dd on a smbfs mount but i run into file-size-limit-exeeded... |
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| 12:50.49 | derwolf__ | daag |
| 12:51.31 | V-Napkin | so.. current is 4.63-17... a security-updated package could be called 4.63-17etchN... or 4.63-17+etchN... right? |
| 12:51.34 | Enverex | What is the name of the app that comes with Ubuntu that lets you double click a .deb file and brings up information about the package? |
| 12:51.36 | V-Napkin | hi derwolf :) |
| 12:51.54 | derwolf__ | hey V-Napkin |
| 12:51.56 | xand | Enverex: #ubuntu |
| 12:51.57 | petemc | Enverex: file roller, perhaps |
| 12:52.17 | ustunozgur | Enverex: gdebi I think |
| 12:52.17 | Enverex | xand, I'm asking here because I need to know the name of the package in Debian |
| 12:52.26 | V-Napkin | or are there even more different styles to name a package from security.debian.org? |
| 12:52.30 | Enverex | ustunozgur, I installed that but it looks nothing like it |
| 12:52.36 | ustunozgur | kpackage? |
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| 12:52.52 | abrotman | Enverex: ask #ubuntu what it was .. then ask us how to get it |
| 12:53.42 | Enverex | ustunozgur, Ah, that was it thanks, I was using Gdeb, confusing |
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| 12:54.01 | ustunozgur | you're welcome. |
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| 12:54.27 | Daejeo1 | abrotman: thank you |
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| 12:54.41 | euthyrox_lover | hello |
| 12:54.42 | Absolute0 | Is it possible to make gdm run program with every WM it starts? |
| 12:54.50 | Absolute0 | or DM |
| 12:55.04 | abrotman | gdm is a DM |
| 12:55.10 | Absolute0 | lol |
| 12:55.19 | Absolute0 | gdm is a desktop manager? |
| 12:55.25 | Absolute0 | isnt that gnome? |
| 12:55.26 | abrotman | !dm |
| 12:55.26 | dpkg | DM means display manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 12:55.32 | stew | V-Napkin: 'grep-available -FVersion etch -sVersion' |
| 12:55.33 | Absolute0 | oh ok |
| 12:55.35 | abrotman | Absolute0: you mean DE or WM |
| 12:55.41 | abrotman | i think |
| 12:55.41 | Absolute0 | right tight sorry |
| 12:55.46 | abrotman | !de |
| 12:55.46 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 12:55.50 | abrotman | grr |
| 12:55.56 | V-Napkin | ahh, that's quicker than what i checked, thanks, stew |
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| 12:56.07 | Absolute0 | so how can i make gdm run programs together with starting the wm dm? |
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| 12:56.50 | stew | Absolute0: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 12:57.25 | Absolute0 | stew thanks |
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| 12:57.42 | Absolute0 | i read somewhere that i can use ~/.xprofile but that doesnt seem to work.. |
| 12:58.33 | V-Napkin | Absolute0, i created this file for the same purpose: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/95x-autostart |
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| 12:59.03 | V-Napkin | beware, it runs for every user, that logs in though... |
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| 12:59.18 | curt | I am having memory issues. I am not sure if it is hardware or software related. I think that apache2 is the main culprit but output from top and free seem to be conflicting. I have 2G ram and 2G swap and occasionally it actually gets completely used up and has even shut down services including ssh |
| 12:59.39 | Absolute0 | V-Napkin: yeah that wont be such a good idea... |
| 13:00.00 | wols | curt: that would be a memleak. and that is simply a program bug |
| 13:00.08 | V-Napkin | well.. it's a script.. you could check for the userid.. |
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| 13:02.08 | test_ | do i also need cups deamon running if i want to use only the client to connect to a remote cups server? |
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| 13:02.28 | V-Napkin | no, test_ |
| 13:02.50 | ustunozgur | curt: use htop to sort, it's much easier to sort processes accordingly. |
| 13:03.05 | curt | wols where could I start in tracking it down? I think this is weird... when I restart apache2 and free -lm without any children spawned free shows 921M then a few seconds later once the children spawn it only bumps up a few Megs to 935M and and it pretty much just climbs steadily seemingly never freeing any memory. |
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| 13:03.51 | test_ | V-Napkin, then how does the program know where the printer is |
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| 13:04.05 | wols | 921MB what? |
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| 13:04.15 | V-Napkin | depends on the client... |
| 13:04.23 | wols | and top for example will tell you which process uses what kind of memory |
| 13:04.29 | wols | or rather the amount |
| 13:04.40 | V-Napkin | hey, i know that wols guy ;) |
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| 13:04.58 | test_ | V-Napkin, lpr |
| 13:04.59 | wols | V-Napkin: do I know you? |
| 13:05.03 | test_ | V-Napkin, lp |
| 13:05.20 | V-Napkin | query, wols |
| 13:05.21 | test_ | lp |
| 13:05.21 | test_ | lp: Error - scheduler not responding! |
| 13:05.23 | abrotman | curt: i think they use valgrind ? |
| 13:05.26 | curt | ustunozgur, is it normal for free, top and htop all to show different total memory usage? |
| 13:05.41 | curt | abchirk, hey |
| 13:05.48 | curt | abrotman, hey |
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| 13:05.50 | V-Napkin | can't help you with lp/lpr, test_ |
| 13:05.54 | abrotman | hi curt |
| 13:05.54 | ustunozgur | it's the cache curt with free |
| 13:06.04 | ustunozgur | not mem |
| 13:06.07 | test_ | V-Napkin, then what client does work without cupsd |
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| 13:06.41 | Daejeo1 | abrotman: i want to remove php4 |
| 13:06.47 | ustunozgur | curt: I mean, buffers/cache line |
| 13:07.03 | abrotman | Daejeo1: okay .. so find the package .. and use the same method as before |
| 13:07.03 | curt | abrotman, ima play with valgrind a bit and I will let you know .. thanks |
| 13:07.32 | test_ | do i also need cups deamon running if i want to use only the client to connect to a remote cups server? |
| 13:08.11 | wols | test_: afaik no |
| 13:08.14 | V-Napkin | test_, last i tried was gtklp |
| 13:08.22 | Daejeo1 | abrotman: is it ok if I install apache after installing php and mysql? |
| 13:08.31 | abrotman | uhm .. i suppose so |
| 13:08.38 | abrotman | depending which verseion of php you install |
| 13:08.50 | Daejeo1 | I will install php4? |
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| 13:09.01 | Daejeo1 | apache2 |
| 13:09.07 | Daejeo1 | mysql5 |
| 13:09.10 | test_ | wols, what do i need in /etc/cups then |
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| 13:10.15 | wols | test_: sorry you need a local printer which transfers the printjobs to the remote. so yes you need a cupsd |
| 13:10.27 | test_ | ah ha |
| 13:10.32 | V-Napkin | depends |
| 13:10.37 | test_ | on what |
| 13:10.47 | V-Napkin | you can specify servername, username, password and printer in gtklp |
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| 13:10.56 | stew | Daejeo1: you'll have to install libapache2-mod-php4 after apache then |
| 13:11.04 | V-Napkin | but, maybe you are better off with cupsd and lp |
| 13:11.06 | stew | (or at the same time as) |
| 13:11.12 | V-Napkin | give it a try |
| 13:11.27 | Daejeo1 | abrotman:do I need to configure php and mysql manually with apache? |
| 13:11.39 | wols | Daejeo1: no |
| 13:11.45 | abrotman | there are a few different php packages .. |
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| 13:12.28 | Daejeo1 | http://kr2.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.debian.php |
| 13:12.39 | Daejeo1 | this is what I want to install |
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| 13:13.14 | abrotman | Daejeo1: why don't you use the packages provided ? |
| 13:13.24 | Daejeo1 | where? |
| 13:13.31 | abrotman | apt-cache search php5 |
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| 13:13.42 | abrotman | likely you want libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 13:14.03 | Daejeo1 | only if I run apache 2 |
| 13:14.08 | stew | Daejeo1: you should not use those instructions. there is no reason to be using dotdeb.org ; you should probably be using apache2 and php5 unless you have a reason to use php4 (php4 is being phased out) |
| 13:14.17 | minerale | my ipv4 eth0 has been automatically assigned an ipv6 address, how can I turn that off ? |
| 13:14.25 | abrotman | Daejeo1: what are you using instead of apache2? |
| 13:14.33 | Daejeo1 | 1.3 |
| 13:14.39 | stew | minerale: blacklist the ipv6 kernel module /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 13:14.54 | abrotman | Daejeo1: okay .. then use libapache-mod-php5 |
| 13:14.58 | Daejeo1 | it is already installed in my system |
| 13:15.00 | stew | Daejeo1: you should also run apache2 unless you have a reason to run apache, apache 1 is being phased out |
| 13:15.04 | Daejeo1 | can I remove it? |
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| 13:16.22 | Daejeo1 | wait let me pastebin |
| 13:16.40 | anapivirtua | Hi world |
| 13:17.10 | stew | Daejeo1: our recommendation as to how to install this stuff would be "aptitude install mysql-server libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql" |
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| 13:18.01 | Enverex | Erm, what's the command to download and compile a package from source? |
| 13:18.02 | abrotman | except that mysql bit .. use pgsql :) |
| 13:18.05 | V-Napkin | hmm... can't seem to find a versioning, which will be lower than 4.63-17etchN and 4.63-17+etchN... anyone? |
| 13:18.09 | abrotman | !tell Enverex about source |
| 13:18.15 | stew | Enverex: apt-get -b source packagename |
| 13:18.15 | Danielss89 | hi, im trying to set up a IRC bot.. but it seems like all my ports are closed.. how can i open them? |
| 13:18.20 | Daejeo1 | http://www.pastebin.ca/574102 |
| 13:18.27 | Danielss89 | lets just say i want to open the port 1234 for the bot |
| 13:18.27 | Enverex | stew, Thanks |
| 13:18.42 | abrotman | Daejeo1: so you already have apache2 |
| 13:18.48 | Daejeo1 | first of I want to get rid of existing stuff . i want clean installation |
| 13:19.13 | abrotman | Daejeo1: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql |
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| 13:19.57 | Daejeo1 | abrotman: did u see pastebin? |
| 13:20.02 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:20.41 | stew | V-Napkin: 4.63-17dtchN is lower than 4.63-17etchN |
| 13:20.48 | Enverex | Does apt have build settings stored anywhere by default? (like CFLAGs, -jx, etc) |
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| 13:20.53 | nofxxxx | hi.. a lil help with dansguardian? if I redirect 80 to my squid 3128 I got internet.. fine... then when I redirect to dansguardian 8080, no net.... |
| 13:21.03 | stew | V-Napkin: 4.63-17etchN~1 is lower than 4.63-17etchN |
| 13:21.12 | Daejeo1 | abrotman:http://www.pastebin.ca/574109 |
| 13:21.16 | Daejeo1 | php |
| 13:21.20 | stew | Enverex: debian/rules |
| 13:21.27 | Daejeo1 | i need to remove it first |
| 13:21.28 | V-Napkin | hmm... it looks dirty though, stew ;) |
| 13:21.28 | Enverex | stew, No no, I mean blobally |
| 13:21.30 | nofxxxx | Dans filter IP= 127.0.0.1, proxy port = 3128 proxy ip = 127.0.0.1 .. anything wrong with that? |
| 13:21.41 | abrotman | Daejeo1: no .. you don't |
| 13:21.50 | Enverex | er |
| 13:21.51 | stew | Enverex: no |
| 13:21.52 | Enverex | globall |
| 13:21.54 | Daejeo1 | can i run php4 anf php 5? |
| 13:22.17 | stew | Daejeo1: no |
| 13:22.17 | abrotman | Daejeo1: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server |
| 13:22.19 | abrotman | Daejeo1: it will take care of the items that need to be removed due to conflicts |
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| 13:22.27 | Nin | hi everybody, good evening |
| 13:22.27 | Daejeo1 | goood |
| 13:22.30 | Enverex | stew, That sucks. So ever time I want to build something I need to download the source, go and edit the rules to add -j4 and then tell it to build? Why hasn't anyone implemented something system wide :/ |
| 13:22.35 | V-Napkin | hmm... ~mht.1... let's see if that works, lol |
| 13:22.42 | Daejeo1 | i go for it |
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| 13:23.02 | abrotman | stew: i thought there was a conf file in /etc/ to use CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 13:23.27 | stew | not that I know of |
| 13:23.56 | Enverex | stew, I guess not enough people have multiple processors or cores to be a verbal majority :/ |
| 13:24.02 | abrotman | uhm |
| 13:24.19 | stew | Enverex: and not very many packages can possibly benefit |
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| 13:24.53 | abrotman | i think he means for building |
| 13:24.57 | Enverex | stew, From experience with Gentoo, only a handful of programs on Linux (gcc, glibc, etc) can't have multiple threads compiled concurrently |
| 13:24.58 | stew | Enverex: and just having a verbal majority doens't mean anything would change. someone would have to go and actually start making patches |
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| 13:25.49 | Dabian_ | !russian |
| 13:25.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, russian is Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 13:26.02 | stew | Enverex: many packages don't use gnu make at all |
| 13:26.14 | Enverex | stew, The ones I use seem to... |
| 13:26.34 | Enverex | and the compile time nearly doubles if I can't up it from -j1 |
| 13:26.39 | stew | Enverex: how do you make a python distutils package compile faster with -j4 ? |
| 13:26.45 | stew | Enverex: (like most python packages) |
| 13:27.08 | Enverex | stew, I don't compile any of those |
| 13:27.10 | stew | Enverex: or what about stuff that builds with ant / cmake / scons |
| 13:27.11 | Daejeo1 | how can I start and stop apache from command line? |
| 13:27.34 | Enverex | stew, Right, so SOME packages don't benefit, so no-one should benefit at all. That's just retarded thinking. |
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| 13:28.06 | stew | Daejeo1: /etc/init.d/apache2 {start,stop,restart,reload,force-restart} |
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| 13:28.46 | stew | Enverex: who said that no-one should benefit? i'm just saying its more than just a handful of packages which wouldn't benefit |
| 13:28.59 | V-Napkin | Daejeo1: only "/etc/init.d/apache2" shows you the valid options for that service |
| 13:29.05 | Enverex | stew, and its hell of a lot more than a handful that would |
| 13:29.14 | stew | Enverex: ok, so start submitting patches |
| 13:29.20 | Enverex | ... |
| 13:29.52 | stew | Enverex: but check the threads on debian-devel about this first. its been discussed many times in the past |
| 13:29.53 | bonii | I am using GNOME but I installed kwlassistant but whenever I try to to run it, it gives me error saying error cannot load entry |
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| 13:31.39 | mesut | hi, is there a ncurses based tool,to configure network interfaces ? (on etch) |
| 13:32.04 | wols | mesut: no. edit /etc/network/interfaces /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 13:32.21 | mesut | i know the manual way |
| 13:32.31 | mesut | just wondered some tool like etherconf on saarge. |
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| 13:32.37 | abrotman | he could always use ... yast :) |
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| 13:33.05 | CyberMad | does anyone here know how to install jabberd2-mysql ? i tried apt-get install jabberd2-mysql but the package is not found |
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| 13:34.14 | wols | !tell CyberMad about search |
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| 13:34.41 | Robert | Hi. I'm trying to install Etch/amd64 on a system with three disks, using software RAID in the bottom, then encrypted partitions, then LVM on top. The install works fine, but for some reason at boot, it never attempts to decrypt the partitions, but rather attempts to mount them directly (which of course fails). Any ideas what to do? |
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| 13:35.37 | V-Napkin | lol, 4.63-17~mht.1 is even lower than 4.63-17 :-O |
| 13:35.52 | Gnurdux | Robert, maybe mess with the fstab? |
| 13:36.05 | SlayerXP | Robert: ease off the crack. |
| 13:36.36 | CyberMad | yes i tried search it.. with apt-cache search jabberd |
| 13:36.39 | CyberMad | but found nothing |
| 13:36.53 | CyberMad | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/net/jabberd2-mysql |
| 13:37.04 | Robert | Gnurdux: Well... why would the installer create a broken system in the first place? |
| 13:37.12 | Gnurdux | it shouldnt |
| 13:37.22 | Gnurdux | but i dunno |
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| 13:38.07 | spheard | Im getting a really weird dns/firewall issue, I know its perhaps a little off topic but perhaps someone cas shed some light |
| 13:38.08 | spheard | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2791513#post2791513 |
| 13:38.38 | abrotman | CyberMad: that's experimental .. |
| 13:38.51 | Danielss89 | hi, im trying to set up a IRC bot.. but it seems like all my ports are closed.. how can i open them? |
| 13:38.52 | Danielss89 | lets just say i want to open the port 1234 for the bot |
| 13:38.57 | Danielss89 | how do i do that |
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| 13:39.03 | stew | Danielss89: you open the port by starting the IRC bot |
| 13:39.11 | Robert | Well, at least #debian lives up to its reputation. |
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| 13:39.47 | liable | impatient prick |
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| 13:40.05 | stew | liable: there is no need for that |
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| 13:40.50 | stew | Danielss89: what makes you say that "it seems like all my ports are closed" |
| 13:40.56 | Dewi | do I "disconnect" USB storage devices in linux? |
| 13:41.04 | Dewi | or is umounting the FS generally considered sufficient? |
| 13:41.08 | CyberMad | abrotman so, is that mean will not added to apt-get install ? |
| 13:41.09 | wols | Dewi: umount it |
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| 13:42.14 | jumpit | is there a way to start a full vnc KDE desktop session? i am using vnc4server, but have to run "startkde" to get the desktop to launch. |
| 13:42.33 | jumpit | (I commented out the two lines in the "xstartup" file |
| 13:43.22 | abrotman | CyberMad: you need special sources for experimental .. and they're not really suggested for general consumption |
| 13:43.29 | abrotman | !fix pseubodot |
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| 13:44.23 | CyberMad | does anyone here ever install jabber? |
| 13:44.34 | stew | CyberMad: lots of people |
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| 13:45.13 | bonii | I installed gnome-audio. Now when I am enabling the error.wav or login.wav in the login window and I am clicking on play its not playing although mplayer is playing other sound files and multimedia sound test gives no errors. Any suggestions? |
| 13:45.18 | Dewi | jumpit: you can put your desktop launcher in the xstartup file... |
| 13:45.28 | CyberMad | i need to know, does use jabber from apt-get install jabber worth? and does it support mysql? |
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| 13:45.35 | Dewi | jumpit: mine says 'gnome-session &' |
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| 13:46.01 | Pc_Dark | the debian installer is saying no partitionable media |
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| 13:46.07 | Pc_Dark | I have a windows partition and an unformatted one |
| 13:46.09 | Pc_Dark | windows boots |
| 13:46.11 | J_P | hi all |
| 13:46.16 | derwolf__ | hi |
| 13:46.20 | jpaetzel | Anyone care to share personal experience with how 'dangerous' UFS1 write support really is? |
| 13:46.20 | Dewi | Pc_Dark: is your HD on SATA? |
| 13:46.31 | Pc_Dark | I don't know |
| 13:46.43 | J_P | people, anyone know one software that verify what ips (network 192.168.0.0) are active in local network ? |
| 13:46.44 | Pc_Dark | It's a 4700 dell dimension if that helps ? :/ |
| 13:47.05 | derwolf__ | J_P, openvpn i think |
| 13:47.06 | Dewi | Pc_Dark: you need to look up the hardware specs |
| 13:47.09 | stew | CyberMad: if "apt-get install jabber" didn't work, the bts would say so: /msg dpkg bts ; since the jabber package doens't depend on libmysqlclient* it must not support mysql on its own |
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| 13:48.02 | pseubodot | !smack abrotman |
| 13:48.07 | Pc_Dark | it's IDE dewi |
| 13:48.15 | Pc_Dark | wait |
| 13:48.16 | Pc_Dark | it's SAT |
| 13:48.19 | Pc_Dark | SATA yes Dwi |
| 13:48.24 | J_P | derwolf__: is a graphical soft ? |
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| 13:48.40 | Dewi | Pc_Dark: well, IDE will normally "just work" as it has been around for decades... SATA generally works but it depends on your controller chipset |
| 13:48.41 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: you tell us? |
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| 13:48.46 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: which kernel version? |
| 13:48.48 | Dewi | Pc_Dark: http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim4700/sm/index.htm |
| 13:48.50 | derwolf__ | not really |
| 13:48.52 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: and what UFS1? of what system? |
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| 13:49.02 | jpaetzel | 2.6.18 UFS1 from FreeBSD |
| 13:49.11 | CyberMad | stew the apt-get install jabber is work |
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| 13:49.22 | derwolf__ | u just want to see what ip's r in the network ? |
| 13:49.23 | V-Napkin | J_P, nmap might have a graphical interface |
| 13:49.28 | derwolf__ | right |
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| 13:49.35 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: can you tell me grep UFS /boot/config-`uname -r` ? |
| 13:49.44 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: i don't currently have a debian kernel around |
| 13:50.14 | jpaetzel | I'll fire it up...it's the stock debian kernel off the 4.0-rc1 CD...it doesn't have write support. |
| 13:50.24 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: btw do you know about debian gnu/kfreebsd ? it supports ufs nativley with the freebsd kernel |
| 13:50.25 | Dewi | Pc_Dark: anyway if debian installer cannot see your drives, that might mean your SATA controller is not one that the debian installer knows about. It's possible you can just instruct it to load an additional driver... or you might need to do something more dramatic... but to know you will need to identify the SATA controller. |
| 13:50.36 | J_P | V-Napkin: nmap is possibble scan bwtween 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.254 to see ONLY what are active.. ? |
| 13:50.36 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: so your question gets invalid :) |
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| 13:50.44 | V-Napkin | of course |
| 13:50.49 | jpaetzel | I'm looking to share an external drive between FBSD and debian...since it's the only linux box I was thinking of using UFS instead of ext3 on it. |
| 13:50.52 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: build your own kernel with it enabled, and tell us. or make a wishlist bug for them to enable write support? |
| 13:51.15 | jpaetzel | tarzeau: I can compile the kernel with UFS1 write support but it says "Dangerous" in menuconfig |
| 13:51.24 | jpaetzel | So I was asking if anyone had personal experience with it. |
| 13:51.28 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: so? |
| 13:51.28 | Pc_Dark | how do Iload debian on a SATA HDD |
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| 13:51.40 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: haven't tried, but i'm interested in your results |
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| 13:51.44 | Dewi | Pc_Dark: I just told you |
| 13:51.51 | jpaetzel | And if the FreeBSD kernel would boot on this thing it wouldn't be running linux. ;) |
| 13:52.03 | jpaetzel | So debian/kFreeBSD isn't an option unfortunately. |
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| 13:52.11 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: if you want to win nethack you have to go through: Unspeakable cruelty and harm lurk down there.--More-- Are you sure you want to enter? [yn] |
| 13:52.13 | CyberMad | i just need the jabber easy to backup & restore.. and the answer is mysq; |
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| 13:52.16 | CyberMad | *mysql |
| 13:52.28 | larsl | 'apt-get install -t unstable libgtkmm-2.4-dev' says that I already have the latest version, although I have 2.8.8-1 and 2.10.10-0.2 is in unstable - what am I doing wrong? |
| 13:52.38 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: the gnomish mines wine cellar also reads: You read: "Trespassers will be persecuted!". |
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| 13:53.09 | stew | larsl: show us the output of ' apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 libgtkmm-2.4-dev ' ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 13:53.26 | jpaetzel | I'm just wondering if anyone has personal experience and can say, "Well, for me it worked fine." or, "Nah, it reproducably trashed the filesystem." |
| 13:53.39 | metbsd | why would someone want to boot a freebsd kernel in debian |
| 13:53.46 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: seems like nobody in here tried it yet |
| 13:53.51 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: go ahead, be the first! |
| 13:54.06 | jpaetzel | I'll put ext3 on it before I do that. |
| 13:54.08 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: if 2.6.22.x comes out, i'll try it |
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| 13:54.17 | tarzeau | jpaetzel: i'm waiting for it since weeks |
| 13:54.19 | curt | abrotman, this gets ugly (don't try it) valgrind --trace-children=yes -v --leak-check=full /usr/sbin/apache2ctl -k start |
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| 13:54.32 | abrotman | curt: from what i understand .. it' |
| 13:54.37 | abrotman | curt: from what i understand .. it's not easy to decipher |
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| 13:57.06 | larsl | stew: Ah, never mind. Turns out that I didn't have the actual unstable repository in my source list, but only a specialised unstable repository with a few dozen packages. |
| 13:57.19 | CyberMad | does anyone know what's all directory used when installing something (like jabber) |
| 13:57.23 | stew | larsl: what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:57.28 | CyberMad | i want to know where the database is stored |
| 13:57.32 | larsl | stew: Testing. |
| 13:57.33 | stew | CyberMad: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 13:58.01 | larsl | stew: Mostly. |
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| 13:58.23 | tarzeau | larsl: files generated in post/pre inst/rm are not listed |
| 13:58.24 | stew | larsl: i just wanted to make sure you weren't trying to mix stable and unstable |
| 13:58.30 | tarzeau | larsl: and debconf stuff is not listed either |
| 13:58.36 | larsl | tarzeau: What? |
| 13:58.43 | tarzeau | larsl: by dpkg -L pkg |
| 13:59.04 | tarzeau | larsl: oh and usually game highscroe files installed systemwide, and maybe spool stuff |
| 13:59.05 | larsl | tarzeau: I don't think that was me... |
| 13:59.05 | V-Napkin | stew, debian FAQ really suggests "a0myname" :-O |
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| 13:59.13 | tarzeau | larsl: true, CyberMad |
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| 14:02.42 | CyberMad | how to change resolution of desktop, ex: to 800x600 ? |
| 14:03.32 | stew | !drxx CyberMad |
| 14:03.32 | dpkg | CyberMad: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 14:03.39 | CyberMad | thanks a lot |
| 14:03.50 | larsl | CyberMad: Depending on your current X settings, you can try to play with 'xvidtune -next' |
| 14:03.53 | CyberMad | damn.. i ask on wrong channgel |
| 14:03.58 | CyberMad | i should ask on ubuntu.. |
| 14:04.04 | CyberMad | is that same command? |
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| 14:04.43 | stew | CyberMad: ask #ubuntu ; we don't know what the proper command in ubuntu is |
| 14:04.53 | CyberMad | yes :) |
| 14:05.02 | minerale | stew: I can't blacklist the ipv6 module as that affects my ipv6 tunnel, I just want to prohibit my ipv4 eth0 from having an ipv6 address |
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| 14:05.35 | stew | minerale: i don't know if there is a way. is it actually causing a problem? |
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| 14:12.04 | jumpit | dewi - thanks |
| 14:12.22 | Dewi | jumpit: np |
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| 14:12.45 | jumpit | on FC you just had to uncomment the two lines and it chose the default session manager... but this is just as goot. thanks |
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| 14:13.46 | Insolit | is there a linux app to open visio documents? |
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| 14:15.32 | r3set | Insolit: what the file ending of an open visio document? |
| 14:15.40 | r3set | *what's |
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| 14:15.48 | swarna | are there anu issues on the bootsplash-theme-debian, progress bar |
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| 14:17.03 | indraveni | are there any issues on the bootsplash-theme-debian, progress bar. as I installed it and and I am seeing that the progress bar is not moving around |
| 14:17.11 | indraveni | or I am missing something in my configs? |
| 14:17.38 | r3set | i've got a problem with tux in ppracer. maybe he is r |
| 14:17.41 | r3set | pregnant? http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/2426/tuxfatcz3.jpg |
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| 14:18.26 | jumpit | r3set haha nice |
| 14:18.29 | r3set | :D |
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| 14:19.08 | jumpit | r3set his feet seem a bit bloated too, no? =D |
| 14:19.24 | mrsn0 | r3set he ate too many fish :o |
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| 14:19.37 | Insolit | r3set: usually vsd |
| 14:20.00 | jumpit | or he's on a mission gobbling up winderz PCs ;-) |
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| 14:20.13 | r3set | got bloated feet from standing around =) |
| 14:22.53 | bonii | When I give dmesg | grep ipw2200 it gives ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.2.0mq |
| 14:22.53 | bonii | ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation |
| 14:22.53 | bonii | ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection |
| 14:22.53 | bonii | ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2 |
| 14:22.53 | bonii | ipw2200: Unable to load firmware: -2 |
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| 14:24.36 | dbug | http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9080/c1uf1.jpg hehe |
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| 14:26.34 | hark | bonii: get the firmware then |
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| 14:27.54 | lycannyc-work | Hello, i installed debian 4.0 but i want to upgrade to testing or sid how can i do it ? |
| 14:27.57 | lycannyc-work | thanks |
| 14:29.24 | r3set | lol dbug |
| 14:29.25 | mesut | edit source |
| 14:29.26 | tarzeau | lycannyc-work: it's not an upgrade, it's another archive |
| 14:29.28 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 14:29.28 | dpkg | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 14:29.35 | mesut | edit source.list, and dist-upgrade |
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| 14:29.56 | tarzeau | mesut, lycannyc-work: man sources.list |
| 14:29.57 | dbug | i dont even know what debian 4.0 is |
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| 14:30.17 | stew | dbug: the current debian stable |
| 14:30.24 | bonii | hark: Do I google for it and get the firmware or will I look for it in Synaptic? |
| 14:30.30 | plb | hrm any you guys listen to lugradio? |
| 14:30.50 | dbug | oh, etch XD |
| 14:31.08 | dbug | brb burning debian testing cd1 |
| 14:31.35 | hark | bonii: no, get it from ipw2200.sf.net as Debian can't distribute it |
| 14:31.46 | bonii | hark: Okay |
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| 14:31.57 | plb | this guy on lugradio wants to be convinced of why he should use Debian over Ubuntu |
| 14:32.12 | hark | bonii: /msg dpkg ipw2200 firmware |
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| 14:36.03 | lycannyc-work | ty tarzeau |
| 14:36.31 | kombi_ | what do you do to encrypt a password using crypt? |
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| 14:36.58 | tarzeau | kombi_: mkpasswd |
| 14:37.01 | Enverex | plb: Debian is Ubuntu without all of the "well we thought you're all a bit stupid, so we've put safety barriers everywhere, pre-customised everything to make it look "nicer" and "easier"" |
| 14:37.08 | tarzeau | lycannyc-work: now that you know, here's a gem: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 14:37.11 | kombi_ | thanks tarzeau! |
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| 14:37.32 | lycannyc-work | tarzeau: whats that so maybe if sid is gonna break or can i can go with testing to be more safe |
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| 14:37.53 | lacin | hi every one, how can I run Mysql in safe mod under debian? |
| 14:38.02 | kombi_ | tarzeau: command not found, which package is that? |
| 14:38.03 | tarzeau | lycannyc-work: you can go testing or sid. once you're on sid you can't go back. likewise with testing. testing to sid is ok though |
| 14:38.29 | tarzeau | kombi_: whois |
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| 14:38.44 | helo | could there be a problem with compiling all networking drivers into a kernel (rather than using modules), in an effort to ensure the kernel works on all different kinds of hardware without having to worry about the network card type being detected properly? |
| 14:38.52 | fireba11 | tarzeau: i think sid is a bit like gentoo .. with gentoo you have to wait it compile, with sid you sometimes ahve to wait for them to fix it to continue working :-) |
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| 14:39.19 | tarzeau | fireba11: if something is broken in testing (agreed it happens much less), it takes even more time to get fixed in there |
| 14:39.22 | Enverex | fireba11, You have to wait for them to fix them on Gentoo too and worse is that sometimes they never do |
| 14:39.31 | helo | the kernel will be much larger, but disk/memory usage isn't a problem |
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| 14:39.43 | tarzeau | Enverex: that can also happen with bugs in upstream. or in experimental |
| 14:39.47 | kombi_ | tarzeau: thanks again! |
| 14:39.55 | tarzeau | with free software the great thing is, YOU can fix it :) |
| 14:40.05 | Enverex | tarzeau, It was normally stupid things in Gentoo though, nothing upstream |
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| 14:40.16 | Enverex | tarzeau, That's the excuse crap devs use |
| 14:40.17 | Zee1ot | hello |
| 14:40.25 | tarzeau | Enverex: yeah quality in debian is very high |
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| 14:40.36 | tarzeau | Enverex: same applies to freebsd or any software distribution |
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| 14:41.44 | abrotman | helo: why not just leave them as modules ? |
| 14:41.52 | fireba11 | helo: what's the problem about having modules i wonder |
| 14:42.05 | Zee1ot | I have a debian etch server with 2 nics, and the onboard one (eth1) doesn't want to get an ip, can someone help me |
| 14:42.18 | helo | fireball, abrot: modules have to be loaded to work |
| 14:42.33 | helo | which means autodetection must work, which is not guaranteed |
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| 14:42.38 | tarzeau | Zee1ot: what says the dhcp server log? and the sniffer? |
| 14:42.48 | Zee1ot | where are those? |
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| 14:42.54 | Dewi | helo: do you think that every single thing compiled into the kernel is runnig all the time? |
| 14:43.03 | tarzeau | Zee1ot: /var/log/daemon.log and try tcpdump or ngrep |
| 14:43.07 | lycannyc-work | tarzeau: thanks again what are you running btw |
| 14:43.09 | Dewi | helo: surely it still has to detect? |
| 14:43.16 | tarzeau | lycannyc-work: sid |
| 14:43.17 | Zee1ot | ok 1 min |
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| 14:43.25 | tarzeau | lycannyc-work: but also stable. never testing |
| 14:43.45 | tarzeau | lycannyc-work: also debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 14:43.48 | Dewi | helo: heh, I don't really know, but trying to run hundreds or network drivers at once sounds... interesting |
| 14:44.14 | helo | dewi: i've used kernels with drivers compiled into them without having the hardware... i think they are disabled whenever the driver realizes the device isn't present |
| 14:44.19 | lontra | tarzeau: debian gun/kfreebsd is nice |
| 14:44.23 | bonii | hark: I got the latest firmware version 3.0 for ipw2200 from ipw2200.sf.net |
| 14:44.31 | x_link | wols: I got my new SATA2 disk working now =) |
| 14:44.33 | tarzeau | lontra: indeed :) and gnu/hurd too! |
| 14:44.51 | lontra | tarzeau: i've never tried gnu/hurd ... the installer scares me |
| 14:44.57 | Dewi | helo: I guess... |
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| 14:45.03 | tarzeau | lontra: they improved it a big time! |
| 14:45.11 | azeem | huh? |
| 14:45.20 | azeem | the installer hasn't changed for years |
| 14:45.29 | lycannyc-work | tarzeau: nice how sthat kfreebsd |
| 14:45.41 | bonii | hark: I got the ipw2200-3.0.tar.gz only. Will I go ahead and install from it or do I need to install ieee80211 too? |
| 14:45.41 | lycannyc-work | so you run stable and sid not testing |
| 14:46.11 | tarzeau | azeem: when i tried it (pre 2005) it was worse than after it got new stuff |
| 14:46.29 | tarzeau | heck i think it was even before 2003 |
| 14:46.37 | tarzeau | lycannyc-work: on different machines yes. never mix! |
| 14:47.04 | Zee1ot | tarzeau the log doesn't say anything about eth1 just eth0 |
| 14:47.23 | tarzeau | Zee1ot: do you even try to use dhcp on eth1? check network/interfaces in /etc |
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| 14:48.24 | assasukasse | hi all, is port 67899 unavailable in linux? |
| 14:48.33 | dbug | uh oh |
| 14:48.36 | tarzeau | assasukasse: it's more than 16 bits |
| 14:48.50 | lycannyc-work | tarzeau: has ur sid broken yet |
| 14:48.51 | assasukasse | tarzeau: ah that's why :D |
| 14:48.54 | tarzeau | assasukasse: they stop at 65535/or 6 depending how you count |
| 14:48.56 | lycannyc-work | and why not run testing instead of stable |
| 14:49.00 | tarzeau | lycannyc-work: sometimes, but i fixed it |
| 14:49.15 | assasukasse | thanks tarzeau |
| 14:49.18 | tarzeau | lycannyc-work: because testing has a lag of 10 days for new packages (if not more) |
| 14:49.33 | abrotman | depending how you count ? |
| 14:49.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: from 0 or 1 |
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| 14:49.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: the amount is always 65536 |
| 14:49.53 | Zee1ot | tarzeau what should I add to interfaces? |
| 14:49.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: ever used port 0? |
| 14:50.07 | abrotman | that doesn't matter .. the last available port number is still the same |
| 14:50.09 | stew | except when testing has a lag of 2 or 5 days for high or medium priority packatges |
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| 14:50.12 | Zee1ot | I tried a few things I just don't want to break anything |
| 14:50.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: telnet localhost 0 -> telnet: port 0 out of range, telnet localhost 65536 -> telnet: port 65536 out of range |
| 14:50.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: which is? 65535 |
| 14:51.16 | Enverex | I don't get the paranoia over Sid, I mean sure things "break" but unless it's the entire of your desktop env or the kernel itself then it's never really that serious (or something that can't be worked around relatively easily) |
| 14:51.18 | tarzeau | stew: which is very seldom |
| 14:51.24 | tarzeau | stew: critical bugs |
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| 14:51.51 | tarzeau | Enverex: yes, people say debian unstable is as stable as other distros are stable |
| 14:52.10 | dbug | eh. are there any debian based distros that use sudo instead of a root password? i like how ubuntu does it, but i don't really like how much ubuntu holds your hand |
| 14:52.21 | tarzeau | dbug: yes, http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 14:52.30 | xand | dbug: you could do that on debian |
| 14:52.33 | dbug | livecd? :( |
| 14:52.40 | tarzeau | dbug: yes, a live cd with gnustep :) |
| 14:52.47 | Enverex | tarzeau, I guess it's because I've been using Linux long enough to fix anything that isn't utterly critical rather than just freaking out because I can't install "pie" or something, heh |
| 14:53.01 | dbug | xand, mind telling me how? ;-) |
| 14:53.01 | lontra | dbug: you can set up sudo on any distro |
| 14:53.05 | tarzeau | Enverex: heh, that's a great mind |
| 14:53.13 | lontra | dbug: visudo and add your user name to it |
| 14:53.20 | Enverex | dbug, Just install sudo and remove the root password |
| 14:53.28 | dbug | hmm okay |
| 14:53.32 | xand | dbug: I think the etch installer asks if you want to set a root password... enable sudo and look out the root account? |
| 14:53.38 | xand | *lock out |
| 14:53.50 | dbug | because like apps usually need the root password, so will it be okay for them, just like switching to sudo? |
| 14:54.00 | lycannyc-work | tarzeau: so for testing so change sources from etch to testing ? |
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| 14:54.02 | Ind[y] | My wireless network has a pass. I gave it once, and Keyring Manager wanted me to create a password. I did so, and now it prompts me for that password each time I turn on my pc (and it tries to connect to my network). How can I set it not to ask me for that password but connect automatically? |
| 14:54.16 | lontra | lycannyc-work: yes |
| 14:54.19 | tarzeau | lycannyc-work: yes or lenny |
| 14:54.22 | simmerz | any reason why the debian package for awstats doesn't include the awgraphapplet.jar file? |
| 14:54.30 | tarzeau | lycannyc-work: depends what you want to happen once lenny gets stable |
| 14:54.31 | lycannyc-work | ty im gonna try testing first .. lenny lol |
| 14:54.32 | xand | dbug: what apps need the root password? |
| 14:54.39 | lycannyc-work | i want to continue testing |
| 14:54.41 | dbug | xand well the configuration apps |
| 14:54.43 | tarzeau | lycannyc-work: there's a difference |
| 14:54.52 | keith4 | is awstats still considered a gaping security hole? |
| 14:54.58 | xand | dbug: if you run them as root/with sudo they shouldn't need it |
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| 14:55.03 | lycannyc-work | stable is kinda old |
| 14:55.07 | tarzeau | keith4: if debian bts says no, no. but i don't trust it anyways |
| 14:55.16 | tarzeau | keith4: any reason for it over webalizer? |
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| 14:55.36 | mark45 | hi, if i have an NFS share on one server, and i mount it from that server and also from another server connected directly to it via a 100mbit crossover ethernet cable, i create a 1-byte file on the share on one server, why does it take 15 seconds to appear in 'ls on the other server... that doesn't seem right to me |
| 14:55.36 | keith4 | tarzeau: not really. i was just thinking in response to simmerz's question |
| 14:55.44 | ustunozgur | xand: I guess he is asking the situation when it asks you the root password when you click on an app. |
| 14:55.48 | cirrus_ | Hi everybody, how can I access a windows share from a win 2003 server in my debian? |
| 14:55.51 | keith4 | mark45: cached write? |
| 14:55.59 | ustunozgur | dbug: if you run from the terminal, all will be ok. |
| 14:56.05 | cirrus_ | normal smbmount doesn't like the auth |
| 14:56.05 | mark45 | keith4: ? |
| 14:56.10 | dbug | bleh, its easier to use the menus XD |
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| 14:56.23 | keith4 | cirrus_: try cifs |
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| 14:56.39 | keith4 | mark45: i was just speculating that nfs probably caches |
| 14:56.40 | dbug | brb, going to find out what i'll need to do to get my ipw2200 working |
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| 14:56.59 | mark45 | ah ok |
| 14:57.00 | beap | dbug u can use gksu |
| 14:57.03 | keith4 | cirrus_: mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt/somewhere |
| 14:57.23 | dbug | beap, yeah, but will the menu entries all need to be changed? |
| 14:57.27 | cirrus_ | keith4: thanks, trying... |
| 14:57.29 | simmerz | keith4: webalizer is even older! |
| 14:57.29 | keith4 | might need -o username=foo in there, too |
| 14:57.37 | Noborusan | anyone is free can do me a feavor please? |
| 14:57.40 | keith4 | simmerz: true. i didn't suggest webalizer |
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| 14:57.53 | Noborusan | i cannot log in an irc server which i used to go there |
| 14:58.04 | simmerz | keith4: no, true. still, the rpm's seem to provide the .jar |
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| 14:58.09 | Conductor | hi all! |
| 14:58.27 | Noborusan | can anyone please log on it for me and ask them there that besides 6667,if they have other ports to connect to it ? Thank you |
| 14:58.28 | keith4 | simmerz: a jar is a jar. you could steal the jar from an rpm, but you might want to find out why it's not there in the first place |
| 14:58.37 | Conductor | how can i get the kernel-headers for my running kernel? apt-cache doesn't say... |
| 14:58.42 | simmerz | keith4: that's why I'm asking :) |
| 14:58.57 | Conductor | do i have to add sources to the sources.list? |
| 14:59.04 | stew | simmerz: does the upstream tarball contain sources to build the jar? |
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| 14:59.18 | stew | simmerz: you should probably file a wishlist bug against the package asking for it to be included |
| 14:59.19 | keith4 | Conductor: apt-cache search linux-headers |
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| 14:59.33 | stew | Conductor: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 14:59.41 | simmerz | stew: not looked at the sources, but apparently it's an included plugin with no docs on how to get it, and it's named in such a way as it seems part of awstats |
| 14:59.46 | beap | Conductor, apt-get linux-headers-$(uname -r) ? / linux-kernel... |
| 15:00.01 | simmerz | stew: not particularly going to get it into stable any time soon though is it! |
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| 15:00.04 | Conductor | beap, cannot find those... |
| 15:01.11 | cirrus_ | keith4: how do I supply my username? |
| 15:01.26 | keith4 | mount -t cifs -o username=foo //server/share /mnt/somewhere |
| 15:01.40 | stew | simmerz: it would definately not get into stable at least until lenny is released as stable |
| 15:01.40 | keith4 | or username=domain\\foo if you're in a domain |
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| 15:01.55 | kingsley | Is there a fantasy turn-based strategy game for linux with better graphics than wesnoth? |
| 15:02.19 | rahul | wesnoth |
| 15:02.25 | rahul | make your own graphics |
| 15:02.32 | simmerz | stew: indeed |
| 15:02.33 | lontra | rahul: nice answer ;) |
| 15:02.36 | Conductor | beap, my fault.... works now |
| 15:02.41 | rahul | heh |
| 15:02.47 | keith4 | freecraft? |
| 15:02.47 | beap | Conductor, :) |
| 15:03.14 | dkr | kingsley: kohan? |
| 15:03.16 | kingsley | ecraft |
| 15:03.30 | kingsley | (Oops, wrong window.) |
| 15:03.31 | cirrus_ | keith4: thanks. -o username=foo works |
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| 15:04.52 | kingsley | dkr: What's "kohan"? |
| 15:04.58 | dkr | kingsley: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohan_%28series%29 |
| 15:05.16 | dkr | fantasy rts that runs on linux, what you asked for. :) |
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| 15:06.01 | cirrus_ | keith4: one more question: where do I supply password & username-options in my /etc/fstab for auto-mounting on boot? |
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| 15:06.22 | cirrus_ | keith4: I mean in which order (I know the file itself) |
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| 15:07.05 | kingsley | dkr: Thanks |
| 15:07.35 | kingsley | keith4: I'll check out freecraft... |
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| 15:08.04 | dkr | that's not fantasy, it is science fiction! |
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| 15:08.56 | dkr | cirrus_: # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> |
| 15:09.00 | dkr | in the options column |
| 15:10.03 | keith4 | cirrus_: in the options collumn, just add username=foo,password=bar |
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| 15:14.01 | zombor | hello, when I try and do `aptitue update` it give me this: "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:B5D0C804ADB11277". How can I fix this? |
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| 15:14.15 | cirrus_ | keith4: It works. Thanks a lot |
| 15:14.36 | ustunozgur | is it normal that the same app is displayed with several (5-6) pids in htop? |
| 15:15.03 | stew | zombor: /topic |
| 15:15.28 | zombor | stew: ugh, thanks |
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| 15:15.35 | ustunozgur | however pgrep yields only one pid |
| 15:15.38 | behrad | zombor, http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 15:15.51 | jelly-home | ustunozgur: depends on the application. If its normal mode of operation is to fork several processes, then yes |
| 15:16.29 | ustunozgur | ok, thanks, the application is wine btw. I am using it for Proxomitron. It probably behaves as you said. |
| 15:17.22 | jelly-home | ustunozgur: or you may have unchecked the "hide userland threads" option (Setup -> Display Options) |
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| 15:18.25 | ustunozgur | jelly-home: that was it! thanks :) |
| 15:19.44 | rahul | is there anywhere I should look for people who are trying to make modass-installed source compatible with make-kpkg? |
| 15:20.01 | rahul | or is make-kpkg basically obsolete now? |
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| 15:21.03 | valdyn | rahul: to what? |
| 15:21.06 | behrad | how can i take permission to two group to write in a directory? |
| 15:21.19 | xand | behrad: acls |
| 15:21.20 | rahul | valdyn: hmm? |
| 15:21.21 | xand | !acls |
| 15:21.23 | xand | !acl |
| 15:21.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, acl is Access Control List or http://acl.bestbits.at/ or http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~agbs/live/acl_eng.html, or at http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 15:21.35 | behrad | xand, ?? |
| 15:21.41 | xand | you need ACLs |
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| 15:21.51 | Talaturen | Hello, I upgraded to lenny from etch, and then I checked fglrx version and it says the 'fgl-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64' is version 8.28.8-4, while things like fglrx-driver is 8.37.6-1, is it supposed to be like that or do I have to update the fglrx kernel module? |
| 15:22.09 | behrad | xand, how can i use it? what are these? |
| 15:22.16 | xand | behrad: see the factoid |
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| 15:22.44 | behrad | xand, thanks |
| 15:22.55 | valdyn | behrad: that's a big hammer for something that would be easy if you can add a 3rd group for this purpose |
| 15:23.06 | jelly-home | ... or create a third group and put all the users from both groups into the new one. |
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| 15:23.41 | xand | shame that unix groups aren't recursive |
| 15:23.48 | valdyn | behrad: acls can very easily lead to admin nightmares.. done wrong |
| 15:24.37 | rahul | !penixstrike modASS |
| 15:24.37 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking modASS to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 15:25.31 | valdyn | !unix lessons |
| 15:25.31 | dpkg | somebody said unix lessons was (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 15:25.38 | valdyn | see (3) |
| 15:25.38 | kingsley | How does one stop the mouse's pointer from moving to xchat's input field whenever someone types your nick name? |
| 15:25.39 | behrad | valdyn, can i add two group in 3rd group? or i Must add their user in 3rd group? |
| 15:25.48 | valdyn | behrad: the users |
| 15:26.00 | karsten | valdyn: s/done wrong// |
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| 15:26.25 | karsten | kingsley: Use irssi instead. |
| 15:26.48 | valdyn | kingsley: that sound like a question for #xchat |
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| 15:27.22 | valdyn | behrad: defenitely a little inconvenient.. |
| 15:27.35 | jelly-home | I for one would like to see nightmares done right! |
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| 15:28.04 | behrad | valdyn, thanks for your help and Unix lessons ;) |
| 15:28.18 | jelly-home | kingsley: It doesn't do that for me. Maybe it's a Gnome thing? |
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| 15:29.14 | kingsley | jelly-home: Thanks. Perhaps I'll upgrade to a newer version of xchat... |
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| 15:31.21 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 15:31.31 | Talaturen | Hello, I upgraded to lenny a few minutes ago, and I got a new version of fglrx by upgrading to lenny, so I decided to try to use the new version, did the important part that dpkg says I should do and then restarted x and it won't display the loginscreen, my screen is only black.. How can I make it work? |
| 15:31.49 | Enverex | Checked the XOrg log? |
| 15:32.05 | Talaturen | No, I've not used linux for so long, how do I do that? |
| 15:32.20 | valdyn | !info xorg lenny |
| 15:32.23 | Enverex | You're using Lenny and you have no idea how to use Linux... ouch |
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| 15:32.28 | gypsymauro | I've installed a debian on a machine then I done a copy of that machine on another one, but udev associates for example eth0 to a non existing NIC (there is a udev file where it's associed with MAC of that nic) so I get working just the eth1, there is a way to recalculate udev files? |
| 15:32.30 | Enverex | Prepare for the pain |
| 15:32.46 | dpkg | xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.2-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 15:32.48 | Enverex | gypsymauro, Delete the association line from the udev rules |
| 15:32.51 | valdyn | Talaturen: last i checked, fglrx would not support Xorg 7.2, which is in lenny |
| 15:33.10 | Enverex | valdyn, The new FGLRX does (8.37) but it doesn't work with kernel .21 or higher |
| 15:33.12 | Talaturen | valdyn, the old version workde |
| 15:33.14 | stew | gypsymauro: delete /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and it will create a fresh one |
| 15:33.17 | Talaturen | worked* |
| 15:33.34 | valdyn | Talaturen: worked where? in etch? etch has no xorg 7.2 |
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| 15:33.42 | Talaturen | no, in lenny. |
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| 15:34.05 | valdyn | i still see 7.1 as highest supported xorg version |
| 15:34.08 | Talaturen | when I upgraded to lenny I still had not upgraded the fglrx kernel module so it was still running the old version and it worked fine. |
| 15:34.38 | valdyn | Talaturen: upgrading doesnt change a already running program, |
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| 15:35.39 | gypsymauro | Enverex: yes but stew there is not a way to recreate it easly? isn't so intuitive to do that.. something like dpkg-reconfigure udev.. |
| 15:35.42 | Enverex | It's XOrg 1.3 now anyway, not 7.2 |
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| 15:35.53 | Enverex | gypsymauro, It does it itself |
| 15:35.58 | Talaturen | valdyn, how can I downgrade the xorg version to 7.1? By apt-get removing it and changing sources to etch and installing it with apt-get? |
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| 15:35.59 | valdyn | uh, the text on atis site is wrong, README sais up to 7.2 now |
| 15:36.14 | valdyn | Talaturen: downgrading is not supported |
| 15:36.18 | gypsymauro | Enverex: ? |
| 15:36.25 | stew | gypsymauro: there is a way to recreate it easily. delete it and restart udev |
| 15:36.27 | Enverex | valdyn, it DOES work with 7.2/1.3 |
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| 15:36.36 | Talaturen | so that means I have to use vesa until it supports 7.2? |
| 15:36.40 | valdyn | Enverex: yea, i said that... |
| 15:36.50 | stew | Talaturen: which chipset do you have? |
| 15:36.54 | Enverex | gypsymauro, It's automatically regenerated |
| 15:37.01 | Talaturen | stew, ATI Radeon X1600 |
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| 15:37.07 | Enverex | Talaturen, You can build Debian debs with ATis installer |
| 15:37.27 | Enverex | I'm using XOrg 1.3 and the FGLRX drivers with my X1700 on my laptop |
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| 15:38.05 | stew | Talaturen: that's supported by avivo, isn't it? |
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| 15:38.20 | stew | err |
| 15:38.30 | stew | what is the name of the new free radeon driver? |
| 15:38.45 | jelly-home | r300? |
| 15:38.53 | codein | hi, i changed the right ALT key with xmodmap on a other key, it works good but in some programms it doesn't work. is there a reason why ? |
| 15:38.59 | Enverex | suckbutpeoplewilltellyoutouseitanyway ? |
| 15:39.04 | Talaturen | does r300 support X1600 then? :o |
| 15:39.59 | stew | Talaturen: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-June/025506.html |
| 15:40.12 | stew | Talaturen: no, that's r500 |
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| 15:41.40 | Peaker | how can I tell apt not to try and upgrade my manually installed/built packages? |
| 15:41.53 | Peaker | (in dist-upgrades) |
| 15:42.00 | stew | Peaker: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 15:42.30 | Peaker | thanks |
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| 15:47.19 | cirrus_ | how can I make a cifs-mounted win-share make writable by normal users? (I need it to be writable by the www-data-user) |
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| 15:48.19 | Talaturen | stew, so r500 should work on xorg 7.2 & ATI Radeon X1600? |
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| 15:48.51 | valdyn | Talaturen: r500 is only your chip |
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| 15:49.11 | stew | Talaturen: that link i sent you is for a new free driver that supports X1600 (which uses the r500) and should work under recent versions of xorg |
| 15:49.21 | Talaturen | oh, thanks |
| 15:49.54 | piti | Hi. I'd like to know how to allow a user to read/write to a usb device. thanks |
| 15:50.02 | zombor | how can i get mysql_config? I though there was a mysql-devel package, but I don't see it anywhere |
| 15:50.11 | RobNyc-work | tarzeau, so I did the net-install and it installed etch.. so now i upgraded to testing already and looks good but i was wondering if theres a net-install for testing or straight sid |
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| 15:50.58 | cahoot | piti, try /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 15:51.07 | tarzeau | RobNyc-work: no |
| 15:51.12 | stew | zombor: libmysqlclient15-dev is the mysql development package |
| 15:51.17 | tarzeau | RobNyc-work: it's not recommended, it's not supported. pity yes they exist |
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| 15:51.26 | stew | zombor: and /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 15:51.27 | tarzeau | RobNyc-work: not done by debian though |
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| 15:51.47 | RobNyc-work | tarzeau, lol thanks |
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| 15:51.56 | piti | cahoot: that's not to access to a mass storage device, but to a camera in ptp mode. |
| 15:52.09 | jonas_larson | "emacs: cannot open termcap database" error on emacs22.1, debian 4... |
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| 15:52.52 | cahoot | piti, pardon? |
| 15:52.56 | jonas_larson | but only when I try to run non-X version (i.e. emacs -nw) |
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| 15:53.22 | cahoot | piti, did you read the info? |
| 15:54.18 | cahoot | piti, I see you mean you want to allow access to a camera? |
| 15:54.24 | piti | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:55.40 | piti | cahoot: you're right, I'm not interested in viewing the content of the camera's memory, but I want to control it from my pc. |
| 15:55.46 | cahoot | piti, user needs to be in the group 'plugdev' |
| 15:56.31 | jonas_larson | Has anybody compiled there own emacs22 and got it to work with debian 4? |
| 15:56.44 | piti | cahoot: I'm already in this group. (cat /etc/group | grep plugdev plugdev:x:46:pablo) |
| 15:56.49 | Talaturen | stew, I got that now, but when running ./autogen.sh I get the following errors: |
| 15:56.50 | Talaturen | ./configure: line 19995: syntax error near unexpected token `DPMSExtension,' |
| 15:56.50 | Talaturen | ./configure: line 19995: `XORG_DRIVER_CHECK_EXT(DPMSExtension, xextproto)' |
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| 15:57.20 | cahoot | piti, and user can access it with f ex gphoto2? |
| 15:57.22 | stew | Talaturen: no idea |
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| 15:57.53 | stew | iirc /usr/share/doc/libgphoto2-2/README.Debian has instructions about giving users acess to usb devices |
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| 15:58.12 | piti | cahoot: it cannot. I can use (gphoto2) only with root user |
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| 15:58.55 | jonas_larson | Hi all, I'll go on #emacs and post my question there. Please ignore this... |
| 15:59.07 | valdyn | Talaturen: that driver is really really not for endusers |
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| 15:59.43 | cahoot | piti, is this sid? |
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| 16:00.16 | piti | cahoot... I'm on sid... so ? |
| 16:01.00 | Talaturen | valdyn, so all I can do is to wait for fglrx to support ATI Radeon X1600 & xorg 7.2 and use vesa until then? |
| 16:01.03 | stew | piti: check /usr/share/doc/libgphoto2-2/README.Debian |
| 16:01.15 | valdyn | Talaturen: fglrx supports all these |
| 16:01.23 | cahoot | piti, just that I've noticed my sid system doesn't autodetect the camera as lenny does |
| 16:01.38 | valdyn | Talaturen: you know, we are jsut reading what's publicly available on ati.amd.com, you can do that too |
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| 16:02.53 | Talaturen | valdyn, if it supports that, then why does it refuse to display the loginscreen when I restart x after changing xorg.conf to use fglrx instead of vesa? |
| 16:02.57 | piti | cahoot: with the gphoto2 --auto-detect the camera is detected, this is just when I use a command like gphoto2 --capture-image that it gives me an error message about usb permission. |
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| 16:03.09 | valdyn | Talaturen: no idea, read the log yet? |
| 16:03.11 | Hedenberg | Heya. Just installed debian and wont get xorg to work properly. Seems like the system assumes I have a crt screen, but I got a TFT one. How can I fix it? |
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| 16:03.27 | cahoot | piti, gphoto2 -a says capture is available? |
| 16:03.35 | ustunozgur | Hedenberg: dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
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| 16:03.39 | Talaturen | valdyn, no, I'm still a beginner with Linux, I'll try to find out how to then as it seems you don't want to tell me how |
| 16:03.39 | valdyn | Hedenberg: that wouldnt make a difference |
| 16:04.01 | valdyn | Talaturen: 'more /var/log/Xorg.0.log' |
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| 16:04.04 | Hedenberg | The system also freezes when I do any command, so I need to do CTRL+ALT+FX to switch between consoles to get the changes |
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| 16:04.19 | valdyn | Talaturen: you can paste this on a paste site for others to read |
| 16:04.48 | Hedenberg | valdyn Ok. Then what's making the difference? Xorg is starting, but just showing me a semi-random image that is nothing like the intended one |
| 16:05.06 | piti | it seem to be ok : http://pastebin.ca/574442 |
| 16:05.12 | n00rul | Hedenberg: Which driver are you using? |
| 16:05.15 | n00rul | Hedenberg: VESA? |
| 16:05.18 | valdyn | Hedenberg: i dont know what 'semi-random' looks like |
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| 16:05.41 | piti | cahoot : http://pastebin.ca/574442 |
| 16:06.09 | cahoot | piti, looks so - not so for my canon |
| 16:06.28 | Hedenberg | heh. Semi-random would be Wierd lines and boxes of various colours in strange places, but you can guess the outline of objects from the real system. Like running a too high resolution on a monitor in windows :P |
| 16:06.51 | Hedenberg | it's using the NV driver by default |
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| 16:07.38 | piti | cahoot I get gphoto from svn... maybe is it from that ? and about permissions ? any idea ? |
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| 16:07.50 | ustunozgur | Hedenberg: do you know the native resolution? |
| 16:08.31 | Hedenberg | ustuozgur: of the screen? |
| 16:08.36 | ustunozgur | valdyn: why would you say that that doesn't work? reconfiguring x wouldn't harm, right? |
| 16:08.39 | ustunozgur | Hedenberg: yes |
| 16:08.42 | n00rul | Hedenberg: try vesa driver |
| 16:08.52 | Hedenberg | ofc. 1680x1050 and it's configured for that |
| 16:08.59 | stew | piti: why use the svn version? |
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| 16:09.11 | Hedenberg | Failed to load module "VESA" |
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| 16:09.35 | ustunozgur | try using a well-known resolution first. |
| 16:09.50 | piti | stew : initially that was to hace a supported camera |
| 16:09.58 | ustunozgur | I have 1440x900 and had to tweak manually to find the right modline. |
| 16:10.03 | Hedenberg | Ok. Vesa still isn't working... and I guess it should be working by default? Bugged fresh install? |
| 16:10.10 | valdyn | ustunozgur: what did i say? |
| 16:10.42 | stew | piti: which camera? |
| 16:10.48 | piti | nikon d80 |
| 16:10.52 | Hedenberg | Still. Even text-mode is messing with me. Whenever I execute a command it freezes so I need to switch to another terminal and back to see the output. |
| 16:10.54 | ustunozgur | valdyn: "that wouldn't make a difference" |
| 16:11.01 | Hedenberg | Im just not debian compilant? :> |
| 16:11.14 | valdyn | ustunozgur: oh, the driver does not care if its a lcd or crt |
| 16:11.24 | ustunozgur | ah, ok. |
| 16:11.35 | Hedenberg | But why isn't VESA included in a standard installation? |
| 16:11.42 | n00rul | Hedenberg: do you Vertical Refresh and Horiz Refresh |
| 16:11.44 | piti | stew: here is the reason : http://www.gphoto.org/news/ |
| 16:11.52 | n00rul | Hedenberg: I mean in Xorg.conf |
| 16:12.14 | valdyn | Hedenberg: its vesa, not VESA,. no idea if its case sensitive though |
| 16:12.19 | Hedenberg | No, i've not added anything like that. It's generated as is, only tried to change some small stuff. |
| 16:12.20 | ustunozgur | Hedenberg: can you stop gdm by issuing "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" to see if at least console problems go away. as root. |
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| 16:12.30 | n00rul | Hedenberg: Can you paste xorg.cong |
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| 16:12.58 | n00rul | err xorg.conf |
| 16:13.14 | Hedenberg | Stopped GDM but console problem is still there |
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| 16:13.27 | test_ | is /usr/lib/mime/packages debian only? |
| 16:13.38 | Hedenberg | in stuff like nano I dont even get a prompt thanks to the console issue |
| 16:13.46 | Hedenberg | so its hard to edit files :) |
| 16:13.55 | ustunozgur | Hedenberg: can you tell if anything is eating up the cpu? use htop to sort by cpu. |
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| 16:14.31 | ustunozgur | and kill any such processes. |
| 16:15.00 | Hedenberg | ok, vesa was case sensitive, got x working with it written correctly. |
| 16:15.40 | ustunozgur | so, X works, console doesn't? heh. |
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| 16:16.11 | Hedenberg | ustunozgur: When I started x the console stopped to freeze too. But since I had already stopped gdm It's hard to understand why |
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| 16:17.10 | valdyn | Hedenberg: console and x interact badly on some devices, sometimes you need to use the console fb, sometimes it'll break things |
| 16:17.10 | ustunozgur | did you restart gdm or just use startx? |
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| 16:17.47 | Scurz | Hi |
| 16:17.51 | Talaturen | Hello, I upgraded to Lenny from Etch perhaps a hour ago, and since then the loginscreen refuse to display, its just all black, it's only when I use fglrx, all works fine with vesa and I'm using ATI Radeon X1600, here's the xorg log: http://www.pastebin.ca/574494, how could I solve this? |
| 16:17.51 | Scurz | How know which is the version of mod_perl with the package libapache2-mod-perl2 ?(It's not indicated in the aptitude show libapache2-mod-perl2...) |
| 16:18.00 | Hedenberg | ustunozgur I did startz |
| 16:18.04 | Hedenberg | startx even |
| 16:18.34 | h3sp4wn | Talaturen: You need the very latest version of fglrx |
| 16:18.37 | Hedenberg | Ok, thanks then. |
| 16:18.46 | vin` | Scurz: checked the changelog? aptitude changelog <package> or hit 'C' in the aptitude UI |
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| 16:19.02 | ustunozgur | Hedenberg: but will vesa suffice? |
| 16:19.06 | valdyn | Talaturen: go to that 'black screen', try ctrl-alt-+ |
| 16:19.11 | stelki | Is anybody using the forcedeth drivers with a nforce 590 chipset? |
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| 16:19.20 | Talaturen | h3sp4wn, when I upgraded to Lenny I got the latest version with it I guess, ii fglrx-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 8.37.6-1+2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 ATI binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-4- |
| 16:19.20 | stelki | I am having some trouble activating my nic. |
| 16:19.25 | Talaturen | valdyn, okey, I'll try it, brb. |
| 16:19.43 | Scurz | vin`: Thanks ! ;-) |
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| 16:20.17 | h3sp4wn | Talaturen: And you also have the fglrx-driver (that is in lenny) |
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| 16:20.47 | Talaturen | h3sp4wn, yes, everything that is displayed with 'dpkg -l | grep fglrx' is that version. |
| 16:20.48 | Hedenberg | Now Im just gonna try to figure out how to get the wireless network up and running. Im sure I even had it up to run install on it when getting 3.1, and in 4 I cant even figure it out with the whole system. Suggestions? |
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| 16:21.10 | Talaturen | h3sp4wn, http://pastebin.ca/574498 |
| 16:22.27 | test_ | lp -h 127.0.0.1 cool , lp -h 10.0.0.2 lp : error - scheduler not responding! - ( 10.0.0.2 eth0 interface ip) , why |
| 16:22.34 | valdyn | Talaturen: did you reboot once after installing the latest fglrx ? |
| 16:22.47 | valdyn | Talaturen: or after your did the m-a thingie |
| 16:22.50 | unsolo | anyone know why my newly created user cannot login on vsftpd while hes shell user is working |
| 16:23.50 | h3sp4wn | Talaturen: Is the kernel module loaded ? lsmod | grep fglrx |
| 16:24.05 | Talaturen | valdyn, I rebooted first then I noticed the fglrx kernel module was the old version of fglrx (the one in etch), so I did the m-a thingies and rebooted, and then blackscreen at loginscreen.. |
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| 16:24.18 | Talaturen | h3sp4wn, fglrx 763924 0 |
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| 16:24.43 | valdyn | Talaturen: this looks suspicously like ati does not support its own device |
| 16:24.48 | muhoo | gah, debian-multimedia.org appears to be fucked with etch: http://paste.debian.net/30803 |
| 16:24.52 | valdyn | (--) fglrx(0): board vendor info: third party graphics adapter - NOT original ATI |
| 16:25.11 | valdyn | # |
| 16:25.29 | valdyn | that: (==) fglrx(0): ROM-BIOS at 0x000c0000 being in the last line kinda implies that fglrx got stuck |
| 16:25.46 | muhoo | avidemux will not install |
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| 16:25.59 | muhoo | versions are all fucked up |
| 16:26.12 | muhoo | depends on a bunch of uninstallable crap |
| 16:26.28 | valdyn | Talaturen: is that really the last line? |
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| 16:26.53 | bullgard4 | How do the kernel modules parport_pc and parport differ in their functions? modinfo is silent about parport. |
| 16:26.56 | valdyn | muhoo: maybe you are using 'stable' |
| 16:27.12 | valdyn | muhoo: check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:27.53 | valdyn | bullgard4: they work together, one being the frontend, one being directly on the hardware |
| 16:28.00 | Talaturen | valdyn, should be, after getting blackscreen I rebooted to single user mode and did 'cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log /home/talaturen/Desktop/', and then changed to vesa and I uploaded the file to pastebin |
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| 16:28.19 | valdyn | Talaturen: right, sounds good |
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| 16:28.52 | valdyn | Talaturen: uname -r |
| 16:28.54 | bullgard4 | valdyn: Yes. And do you know why it is necessary to have two drivers then? |
| 16:29.07 | Talaturen | valdyn, 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 16:29.12 | valdyn | bullgard4: because there's not only parport_pc |
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| 16:29.26 | valdyn | bullgard4: you just dont have one of the others, i guess |
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| 16:30.07 | valdyn | bullgard4: that's called modularity, easier debugging, more code reuse, _less_ memory usage on systems with different parports |
| 16:30.21 | valdyn | bullgard4: and no difference for a common system as yours |
| 16:30.26 | bullgard4 | valdyn: Thank you very much. |
| 16:30.51 | valdyn | bullgard4: if you use alsa or scsi, that'll be alot more modules per hardware device |
| 16:31.15 | bullgard4 | ok. |
| 16:31.48 | ustunozgur | I'm getting the following error sometimes, and the mouse goes out of control. Here's the output of dmesg when such occurs: psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at isa0060/serio2/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 3 bytes away. |
| 16:32.14 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.26 | ustunozgur | I have searched the web and it seems that it was fixed once, but reappeared again. does anyone know anything about that lost synch error? |
| 16:32.28 | muhoo | etch == stable, no? |
| 16:33.05 | muhoo | eh, 22 hours estimated to download acroread :-P |
| 16:33.28 | muhoo | i've bittorrented entire install DVD images in half that. |
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| 16:36.11 | gpm | acroread? |
| 16:36.15 | gpm | ugh |
| 16:36.23 | gpm | xpdf, evince, etc. |
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| 16:36.35 | Talaturen | valdyn, so this is a bug in fglrx or is it I who did something wrong? :o |
| 16:38.40 | Scurz | Mplayer gives this message : http://paste.debian.net/30804, why ? For informations, I am using this command : "mplayer -v -cache 128 -afm acm http://..." |
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| 16:39.04 | Scurz | It's important this message ? |
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| 16:39.49 | gpm | i don't think it's particularly important, but i'm no expert |
| 16:39.58 | Scurz | ok |
| 16:40.42 | Talaturen | valdyn, could it have something to do with this part: (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:3:0:1) found ? :o |
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| 16:41.15 | Hedenberg | How can I read more about a package installed with APT? I installed RT2500 to get my wireless net up, but Im not sure if it installed a mod, a program or whatever :) |
| 16:41.26 | Scurz | Hedenberg: aptitude show |
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| 16:41.48 | Scurz | Hedenberg: man apt or man aptitude |
| 16:41.58 | gpm | man apt-cache, he means |
| 16:42.03 | Scurz | ah |
| 16:42.17 | Scurz | yeah |
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| 16:42.36 | Scurz | apt-cache show <package> or aptitude show <package> ;) |
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| 16:42.46 | gpm | Hedenberg: rt2500 is a linux driver |
| 16:42.50 | gpm | so it's a kernel driver |
| 16:43.06 | gpm | there may or may not be a debian package for it |
| 16:43.10 | gpm | apt-cache search rt2500 |
| 16:43.34 | Hedenberg | Thanks. |
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| 16:43.48 | Talaturen | Hello, I upgraded to Lenny from Etch perhaps a hour ago, and since then the loginscreen refuse to display, its just all black, it's only when I use fglrx, all works fine with vesa and I'm using ATI Radeon X1600, here's the xorg log: http://www.pastebin.ca/574494, how could I solve this? |
| 16:43.49 | gpm | perusing google (i'm not on a debian box now) it looks like there are debian packages |
| 16:43.52 | Hedenberg | Helped me figure out how to get the driver for it too.. I hope. |
| 16:44.02 | gpm | you said you installed it |
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| 16:44.36 | Hedenberg | I installed rt2500, but it was just a tool - not the driver :P Need to get rt2500-source and build a driver Im told by the "show" |
| 16:44.47 | gpm | aha |
| 16:45.06 | gpm | yeah, if you're going to build from source, chances are you want build-essential and module-assistant packages as well |
| 16:45.16 | gpm | in any event, google is also a good friend |
| 16:45.18 | gpm | :P |
| 16:45.37 | Hedenberg | I dont -want- to build it by source |
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| 16:45.51 | Hedenberg | But it seems it's the only way to get a driver for rt2500 through apt? |
| 16:46.10 | gpm | that's certainly the recommended way |
| 16:46.19 | gpm | but you're going to build the driver with rt2500-source |
| 16:46.35 | gpm | that's just source, it's not a compiled driver |
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| 16:46.57 | Hedenberg | yeah |
| 16:47.02 | gpm | Hedenberg: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Frt2x00.serialmonkey.com%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%2FDebian_rt2500_Howto&ei=-bZ2RqmEBo_agwP1m-XYAg&usg=AFQjCNFvHEEY8QlX7ue292_1y_wogygBfw&sig2=zhgzDV5meYLFkJzu-6N66Q |
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| 16:47.09 | gpm | oops |
| 16:47.23 | gpm | http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Debian_rt2500_Howto |
| 16:47.31 | gpm | first result of rt2500 debian |
| 16:47.34 | gpm | on google |
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| 16:48.58 | Hedenberg | thanks. Im quite bad at using both google and irc. Since I was in here for another topic, i just missed it. sorry :) |
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| 16:51.10 | gpm | np |
| 16:51.32 | gpm | just sayin' some people will be pissed if the first result on google answers all the questions you're asking |
| 16:51.38 | gpm | i'm not one of them, usually :P |
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| 16:52.14 | gpm | Talaturen: looking at your log, it looks like fglrx isn't even being used |
| 16:52.30 | Talaturen | gpm, but it works fine with vesa :o |
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| 16:52.57 | Talaturen | gpm, oh you mean it can't detect fglrx? |
| 16:53.14 | gpm | yeah, look at line 343 |
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| 16:53.42 | gpm | oh wait |
| 16:53.43 | gpm | nm |
| 16:53.46 | h3sp4wn | Hedenberg: There is other considerations (You cannot use wpa_supplicant or network mangler with those drivers) the new ones need 2.6.22-rc1+ (and are more standard) |
| 16:53.47 | gpm | it's using fglrx |
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| 16:54.02 | Defiler | Is there a way (in etch) to determine for sure whether a given init script will run at a particular runlevel? |
| 16:54.17 | gpm | Talaturen: maybe try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and tell it to not use the framebuffer thingy? |
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| 16:54.23 | Defiler | I have some that I have written myself, rather than using start-stop-daemon, and even though they are set up as 'defaults' via update-rc.d, they don't run on a reboot |
| 16:54.47 | HostilePenguin | Talaturen post your xorg.conf |
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| 16:55.46 | Talaturen | HostilePenguin, http://www.pastebin.ca/574552 |
| 16:55.52 | dion1979 | Could somebody advice me on how would he partitioned a 160GB disk? How much space would he allocated for /, /tmp, /var, /usr, /home, and swap (ram 500mb). Thx |
| 16:55.57 | JoshH | Defiler: basically you put the script in init.d, then put a symlink in the dir for the runlevel, something like S20myprog, depending on the order you want it to start |
| 16:56.23 | gpm | Talaturen: i hope your locale is utf8 |
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| 16:56.57 | Defiler | JoshH: That appears to not be the only requirement now |
| 16:57.00 | HostilePenguin | Talaturen what happens when you start x |
| 16:57.03 | gpm | you sure that's the right busID for the card? i don't think this will make a difference in terms of the console being black |
| 16:57.17 | Talaturen | HostilePenguin, just black screen.. |
| 16:57.24 | gpm | wait, does X start? |
| 16:57.27 | Defiler | JoshH: Do you know if the new ## INIT magic comments are required? They seem to be. |
| 16:57.31 | JoshH | afaik, that's all that's required, but it's been a while since i added something manually |
| 16:57.36 | JoshH | i don't know about those |
| 16:57.36 | Talaturen | doesn't show me the login screen |
| 16:57.37 | gpm | i thought you said X starts and the VCs went black |
| 16:57.41 | gpm | ooooh |
| 16:57.44 | pickcoder | Defiler: update-rc.d or install sysv-rc-conf |
| 16:57.46 | HostilePenguin | post Xorg.0.log |
| 16:57.47 | gpm | ok, new set o' problems |
| 16:57.52 | valdyn | dion1979: i wouldnt split off /tmp |
| 16:57.55 | Defiler | pickcoder: update-rc.d says everything is good to go |
| 16:58.06 | Talaturen | HostilePenguin, http://www.pastebin.ca/574494 |
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| 16:58.13 | Defiler | To take the RedHat example.. your shutdown scripts don't actually run unless you register them in /var/lock/subsys |
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| 16:58.23 | Defiler | It seems like there's something like that going on that I didn't know about in Debian.. |
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| 16:58.31 | HostilePenguin | wrong bus iid |
| 16:58.42 | Talaturen | HostilePenguin, what should it be? |
| 16:58.45 | gpm | what is that, lspci? |
| 16:58.46 | HostilePenguin | comment out the pci in xorg.conf |
| 16:59.08 | Defiler | OK. Let me paste what I have, then |
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| 16:59.13 | dion1979 | valdyn, ok. What about the other? Bare in mind it is for home use. |
| 16:59.17 | valdyn | dion1979: one / ( 10G, ), one /home ( 10G ), a growables filestems, on top of lvm |
| 16:59.29 | Talaturen | HostilePenguin, so it should say: BusID"3:0:0"? |
| 16:59.40 | HostilePenguin | # |
| 16:59.45 | Talaturen | whole the line? |
| 16:59.48 | Talaturen | okay |
| 16:59.49 | HostilePenguin | sure |
| 16:59.53 | valdyn | dion1979: ext3 can be grown online. On top of lvm that is rather easy |
| 16:59.55 | gpm | it's not necessary |
| 17:00.03 | Talaturen | brb, I'll see what happens now |
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| 17:00.07 | gpm | but can't you figure out the pci bus id? |
| 17:00.15 | gpm | is it in lspci? |
| 17:00.35 | dion1979 | valdyn, thx |
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| 17:01.21 | valdyn | dion1979: if you used multiple disks then there was a large benefit from doing finer grained splits, but as it is i would use as few volumes as possible |
| 17:01.40 | valdyn | dion1979: cept for /home, which is nice to keep accross reinstalls |
| 17:02.12 | Defiler | pickcoder / JoshH: Can you see any reason why this wouldn't be starting when I reboot? http://pastie.caboo.se/71435 |
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| 17:02.22 | Defiler | Works fine when I run it 'by hand' |
| 17:02.43 | valdyn | dion1979: if you dont want or cant learn about lvm, 20G / is good for a long time, rest for /home |
| 17:03.19 | RobNyc-work | tarzeau, current sid is known as lenny =P |
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| 17:03.28 | Hedenberg | How do I get a Mac osX-like iconbar on the bottom of the screen in Enlightenment? |
| 17:03.36 | gpm | yuck |
| 17:03.37 | lontra | Hedenberg: that's called engage |
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| 17:03.51 | tarzeau | RobNyc-work: no it's not |
| 17:03.58 | JoshH | Defiler: which one isn't starting? |
| 17:04.00 | tarzeau | RobNyc-work: what says lsb_release -c |
| 17:04.02 | lontra | Hedenberg: there are a few things ... if you use a composite manager you could use avant-window-navigator |
| 17:04.10 | HostilePenguin | enlightenment17? |
| 17:04.13 | valdyn | dion1979: uh, i think i might have forgotten that you need an extra /boot if you lvm |
| 17:04.14 | dion1979 | valdyn, it is a single disk. Initially, I thought to do the single partition (all together-good for begginers) but I read somewhere is not preferable. |
| 17:04.15 | Defiler | JoshH: the mongrel and nginx scripts don't start (the only two I wrote myself) |
| 17:04.24 | tarzeau | RobNyc-work: unstable always is sid |
| 17:04.30 | valdyn | dion1979: splitting off /home is preferable.. |
| 17:04.37 | gpm | amen |
| 17:04.42 | JoshH | Defiler: are they executable in init.d? do they work if you start them from that script manually? |
| 17:04.42 | valdyn | dion1979: you dont want to delete your own data when doing reinstall.. |
| 17:04.47 | lontra | tarzeau: bub-n-bros sometime? |
| 17:04.55 | tarzeau | lontra: we just played, including the author :) |
| 17:04.56 | Hedenberg | iontra: are neither of those part of the debian stable? |
| 17:05.05 | tarzeau | lontra: hang around in #bub-n-bros to not miss games |
| 17:05.19 | pickcoder | Defiler: are there user-based environment params that ruby needs to run that? |
| 17:05.20 | lontra | Hedenberg: i don't think so ... certainly avant-window-navigator isn't ... maybe compiz is ... |
| 17:05.21 | tarzeau | lontra: but i'm up for some www.sauerbraten.org if you want? |
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| 17:05.36 | Defiler | pickcoder: Shouldn't be. When I run it with a bare 'env' command, it still works |
| 17:05.36 | lontra | tarzeau: who is the author? |
| 17:05.37 | HostilePenguin | Hedenberg right click on ibar and edit mode |
| 17:05.48 | lontra | !info compiz etch |
| 17:05.52 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.2.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 17:05.52 | Hedenberg | HostilePenguin ibar? |
| 17:05.55 | Defiler | JoshH: Both are executable in init.d, and it works fine when I run it manually |
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| 17:06.02 | pickcoder | Defiler: why does your syntax help show a different init.d script name than what you called it |
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| 17:06.06 | Defiler | 0755, owned by root, symlinks created by update-rc.d |
| 17:06.20 | Defiler | pickcoder: Typo I just noticed. Heh. |
| 17:06.21 | pickcoder | not that i will matter for scriped start-up |
| 17:06.25 | pickcoder | s/i/it |
| 17:06.27 | unsolo | Where does vsftd get its user database from |
| 17:06.35 | unsolo | i cant get this user logged in |
| 17:07.00 | pickcoder | Defiler: any messages in syslog? |
| 17:07.02 | lontra | Hedenberg: compiz is in etch ... you could make avant-window-navigator ... it's very easy to make |
| 17:07.44 | Hedenberg | I'll get it downloaded then, thanks |
| 17:07.53 | lontra | Hedenberg: avant-window-navigator is the closest thing i've ever seen to the mac osx bar |
| 17:08.03 | Defiler | pickcoder: Not that I can see, no |
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| 17:08.19 | Defiler | Is there a particular place, other than messages / syslog that init script output would go into? |
| 17:08.41 | Talaturen | HostilePenguin, it seems like it is trying to load vesa as driver when I comment the PCI line, want the log? |
| 17:08.54 | HostilePenguin | sure |
| 17:08.56 | lontra | HostilePenguin: i think he's thinking of the bar in e16 not ibar |
| 17:09.14 | Defiler | daemon.log is clean too |
| 17:09.17 | pickcoder | Defiler: are there ruby logs? |
| 17:09.38 | RobNyc-work | tarzeau, hehe .. let me see what it says for lsb_release -c |
| 17:09.44 | lontra | Hedenberg: http://code.google.com/p/avant-window-navigator/ |
| 17:09.46 | Talaturen | HostilePenguin, http://www.pastebin.ca/574570 |
| 17:09.47 | Defiler | Nope. I'm fairly sure that the script isn't being executed at all |
| 17:09.50 | RobNyc-work | ah yea codename sid |
| 17:09.56 | lontra | RobNyc-work: unstable is always sid |
| 17:10.00 | RobNyc-work | i frogot |
| 17:10.03 | Defiler | I guess the next step would be to have the first line 'touch' some file, and see if it exists on reboot |
| 17:10.08 | Hedenberg | thanks iontra |
| 17:10.08 | RobNyc-work | forgot* i was on testing/lenny upgrading |
| 17:10.17 | valdyn | Defiler: can you show the script? |
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| 17:10.24 | Defiler | valdyn: http://pastie.caboo.se/71435 |
| 17:10.36 | valdyn | Defiler: update-rc.d .... default is priority 25 for startup right? |
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| 17:10.43 | Defiler | valdyn: 20 |
| 17:10.47 | ctol | HI |
| 17:11.02 | Defiler | At least according to the man page |
| 17:11.54 | valdyn | Defiler: why dont you add debugging puts ? |
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| 17:12.16 | Defiler | Well, on a reboot, to my knowledge, that output goes nowhere |
| 17:12.24 | Defiler | I don't think init logs anything like this, right? |
| 17:12.24 | valdyn | !bootlog |
| 17:12.24 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 17:12.31 | valdyn | Defiler: ^^ |
| 17:12.34 | Defiler | Oh. Interesting. |
| 17:12.45 | Enverex | ctol, Are you logged on as root? |
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| 17:13.24 | lontra | tarzeau: that game .. sauerbraten is it available as .deb? |
| 17:13.41 | valdyn | lee: yes |
| 17:13.42 | tarzeau | lontra: yes in non-free and contrib |
| 17:14.17 | lontra | tarzeau: ah ... would i need nvidia or ati or could an intel card work? |
| 17:14.18 | valdyn | Defiler: btw, do you really need to use a non-debian ruby? |
| 17:14.27 | Defiler | Not for this, no |
| 17:14.36 | tarzeau | lontra: i'm not sure, try with -f and tell me if it works with intel |
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| 17:14.40 | rd | look |
| 17:14.41 | rd | os[rd@debian, Linux 2.6.21-1-686 i686] |
| 17:14.41 | Defiler | debian ruby isn't stable enough for me, though, so I don't use it for productionc ode |
| 17:14.44 | tarzeau | lontra: if you play at say 320x240 :) |
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| 17:14.51 | rd | distro[Debian lenny/sid] |
| 17:14.53 | rd | lenny / sid |
| 17:14.56 | rd | tarzeau, told ya |
| 17:15.02 | rd | but thats fine i dont mind |
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| 17:15.04 | tarzeau | rd: it is wrong, it always was wrong |
| 17:15.08 | rd | hehe |
| 17:15.09 | tarzeau | rd: is that /etc/motd or what? |
| 17:15.17 | rd | tarzeau, nope thats xchat-xsys |
| 17:15.18 | tarzeau | rd: the point is the config file comes with a package |
| 17:15.26 | tarzeau | rd: xchat-xsys takes it from motd |
| 17:15.31 | HostilePenguin | talaturen post lspci |
| 17:15.38 | ctol | cvs -d:pserver:cvs@cvs.transgaming.org:/cvsroot login |
| 17:15.40 | tarzeau | rd: if you have sid, you have sid, if you have testing you have testing |
| 17:15.44 | ctol | oh shnit |
| 17:15.49 | tarzeau | if you mix, you're a moron, go away |
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| 17:16.15 | stew | tarzeau: i'm not going to tollerate name calling. you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 17:16.25 | stew | tarzeau: in the future, please keep it constructive |
| 17:16.28 | lontra | rd: cat /etc/debian_version would read lenny/sid if you're running sid |
| 17:16.32 | Talaturen | HostilePenguin, http://www.pastebin.ca/574601 |
| 17:16.32 | HostilePenguin | getting tense in here |
| 17:16.40 | lontra | rd: maybe testing too ... not sure |
| 17:17.07 | Enverex | tarzeau, Actually if you're on Sid you need to add testing to your repos list too. There's been some issues with packages not being in Unstable that are depended on by other things in unstable (but being in Testing) |
| 17:17.34 | valdyn | umm |
| 17:17.35 | rd | i dont mind |
| 17:17.38 | lontra | Enverex: it's generally the other way around ... are you sure? |
| 17:17.48 | abrotman | Enverex: you can .. it's not a good idea .. and unless you pin .. you'll end up with unstable anyways |
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| 17:17.52 | Defiler | valdyn: This bug page is a little vague.. should I just set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes ? |
| 17:17.55 | Enverex | lontra, Yup, ran into it the other day, someone on #debian-x helped figure it out |
| 17:18.03 | Enverex | abrotman, I'm on Unstable in the first place |
| 17:18.08 | abrotman | boohiss! |
| 17:18.10 | abrotman | :) |
| 17:18.12 | valdyn | Defiler: sure |
| 17:18.20 | Enverex | I can deal with breakages, I'm a Gentoo veteran |
| 17:18.38 | Enverex | There's no such thing as a working Gentoo system, just "mildly less broken than the next" |
| 17:18.43 | Defiler | OK. So this setting enables boot logging after the kernel is done doing its thing, and then inittab disables it when all is said and done? |
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| 17:19.32 | valdyn | Defiler: i dont know who does what, but it'll log your init scripts |
| 17:19.39 | Defiler | Cool. Thanks. |
| 17:19.42 | abrotman | stew: ? |
| 17:19.45 | lontra | Hedenberg: do you have glib-2.0-dev installed? |
| 17:19.50 | Defiler | Sadly this box is live, so I have to wait until dark-thirty to actually restart it |
| 17:19.59 | Defiler | ..but this will get me what I need, I think. |
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| 17:20.22 | lontra | Hedenberg: and have you read the readme file and have all appropriate requirements installed? |
| 17:20.23 | rd | Debian runs faster on Virtualbox (512mb only) than ubuntu does on 1gb installed on a real pc |
| 17:20.46 | valdyn | rd: most likely because different packages are running |
| 17:20.48 | Hedenberg | lontra Ah, missed the dev package. thanks. |
| 17:20.51 | Enverex | That's because Ubuntu is Debian + Bloat so it's kinda obvious that's gonna happen. |
| 17:20.53 | lontra | Hedenberg: and it says you need pygtk installed oto |
| 17:21.25 | HostilePenguin | 03:00.0 try |
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| 17:21.46 | valdyn | sure, debian isnt optimised for speed, no one needs that.. |
| 17:21.48 | Talaturen | HostilePenguin, ? :o |
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| 17:23.34 | HostilePenguin | to get my fglrx to work i also had to add section "extensions" Option "Composite" "0" |
| 17:23.38 | Hedenberg | lontra: not even sure what pygtk is. not in apt? |
| 17:23.41 | stew | abrotman: what's up? |
| 17:23.53 | abrotman | stew: i meant about the ban .. but as i said .. i probably don't really want to know :) |
| 17:23.57 | ctol | hey im having serous compile issues with cedega |
| 17:24.02 | ctol | serious* |
| 17:24.15 | abrotman | ctol: try #cedega |
| 17:24.17 | ctol | /tmp/ccGZrIM1.s: Assembler messages: |
| 17:24.17 | ctol | /tmp/ccGZrIM1.s:93: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `push' |
| 17:24.18 | ctol | /tmp/ccGZrIM1.s:96: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `pop' |
| 17:24.18 | ctol | make[1]: *** [port.o] Error 1 |
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| 17:24.22 | abrotman | ctol: try #cedega |
| 17:24.30 | ctol | i did |
| 17:24.33 | lontra | Hedenberg: i'm not sure ... maybe you don't need it ... i haven't installed it for a while and i'm running kde now so i don't deal a whole lot with gtk stuff |
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| 17:24.46 | ctol | nobody responds over there |
| 17:24.50 | Enverex | ctol, The Cedega CVS is broken and outdated as well as being as useful as a paper shovel |
| 17:24.55 | valdyn | Hedenberg: its in debian, probably python-gtk* |
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| 17:25.03 | lontra | Hedenberg: if it says you need a specific file try installing apt-file and then running apt-file update then apt-file search foo |
| 17:25.26 | Hedenberg | ok, thanks |
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| 17:25.46 | ctol | should i try wine? |
| 17:25.53 | wwallace | http://paste.debian.net/30808 |
| 17:25.56 | wwallace | help please |
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| 17:26.31 | valdyn | wwallace: did you actualy read the error and try what is suggested? |
| 17:26.39 | stew | wwallace: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:26.43 | wwallace | well i read it |
| 17:26.47 | valdyn | e.g. -vf spp,scale instead of -vf spp. |
| 17:26.48 | wwallace | etch |
| 17:28.07 | nofxx_ | Hi.. Im having 'write failure: (32) Broken pipe.' on squid cache... on debian etch |
| 17:28.20 | nofxx_ | should I be running the cache as user 'proxy' right? |
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| 17:28.36 | valdyn | nofxx_: what's wrong with debian's defaults? |
| 17:28.39 | Hedenberg | lontra: Getting some autoconf errors now. I'll just keep using gnome until the motivation hits me :P |
| 17:29.03 | nofxx_ | valdyn, absolutely nothing... I didnt know witch user to put... and I saw there was the proxy user |
| 17:29.04 | lontra | Hedenberg: it's really pretty easy to install ... just read your errors ... you can always pastebin them and i'll look at them |
| 17:29.07 | HostilePenguin | are you trying to use enlightenment 17? |
| 17:29.19 | nofxx_ | and I saw /var/spool/cache was proxy.proxy .. so. I guessed I should run as proxy |
| 17:29.36 | abrotman | wwallace: i think that's in the BTS .. but i might be wrong |
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| 17:30.00 | x_link | Hi |
| 17:30.05 | nofxx_ | valdyn, what happens is: after I rebuild and clean the cache.. everything is blazing fast.... some seconds later... crawling.... very slow... and those write failure: (32) Broken pipe. messages on squid cache log |
| 17:30.06 | valdyn | nofxx_: installing squid now asks you to set a user? |
| 17:30.12 | x_link | I have some files I need to make bootable. |
| 17:30.18 | x_link | Could somebody help me with that? |
| 17:30.19 | wwallace | abrotman, thanks i dont know what BTS is |
| 17:30.20 | valdyn | nofxx_: disk full? |
| 17:30.25 | nofxx_ | valdyn, webmin asked .. to start the squid cache |
| 17:30.27 | abrotman | !bts |
| 17:30.27 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:30.28 | g00se | 'There is no public key available for the following key IDs' Running apt-get update makes no difference |
| 17:30.30 | nofxx_ | nope... lots of space ! ! |
| 17:30.35 | valdyn | nofxx_: fuck webmin |
| 17:30.36 | abrotman | oh wait .. mencoder isn't even in debian |
| 17:30.45 | abrotman | g00se: which key ? |
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| 17:30.59 | valdyn | nofxx_: i cant debug webmin on top of squid |
| 17:30.59 | g00se | abrotman: B5D0C804ADB11277 |
| 17:31.09 | abrotman | !apt-key ADB11277 |
| 17:31.09 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys ADB11277 ; gpg --export ADB11277 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 17:31.17 | nofxx_ | valdyn, forget about it... no probles with the cmd to me |
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| 17:31.24 | sussudio | B4DG34W4NG |
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| 17:31.50 | abrotman | heh |
| 17:31.56 | g00se | abrotman: thanks |
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| 17:32.14 | g00se | Something about badgers' wangs? |
| 17:32.14 | GrogDealer | hi |
| 17:33.03 | GrogDealer | ah, that dvd recorder, I dont know what I'm going to do with it, I think I'll put on the waste-bin |
| 17:33.04 | lontra | Hedenberg: what are you running ./configure, make, make install? |
| 17:33.26 | Hedenberg | lontra: autogen.sh like readme says |
| 17:33.42 | GrogDealer | It breaks every cd I put on the recorder |
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| 17:33.55 | Hedenberg | got past that error now. Just needed libgconf-dev |
| 17:34.04 | lontra | Hedenberg: cool |
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| 17:34.29 | Hedenberg | but now he cant find gtk0-2.0, gdk-2.0, libwnck-1.o and gconf-2.0 |
| 17:35.01 | tarzeaa | stew: please reconsider your silencing after reading http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable |
| 17:35.03 | lontra | Hedenberg: probably need the -dev for all of those ... |
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| 17:35.31 | Hedenberg | but I just installed it for the last one. Why is he complaining? |
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| 17:36.20 | g00se | abrotman: what i don't get is that's only half the key it mentions - is that something to do with public part? |
| 17:36.38 | lontra | Hedenberg: there may be like a gnome-dev package that pulls in all of this ... |
| 17:36.49 | lontra | Hedenberg: i assure you once you get it made it's real slick and nice |
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| 17:37.45 | redduck666 | regarding limits.conf, what is the difference betweeen 'as' and 'rss'? from my testing it seems that 'as' limits the memory user can get while 'rss' doesn't seem to make any difference. |
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| 17:38.20 | Hedenberg | Lontra: Ok, thanks. I'll keep trying |
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| 17:38.55 | lontra | Hedenberg: keep posting errors here (if they are 1 or 2 lines) or on pastebin.ca if they are longer ... i'll look and i'm sure others will have advice too |
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| 17:39.12 | lontra | Hedenberg: also i recall a ubuntu forum on this that might be worth checking out |
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| 17:39.38 | minerale | why does debhelper set limits? This isn't efnet and there are no takeover possibilities |
| 17:39.53 | lontra | Hedenberg: viola! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2093300 |
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| 17:40.18 | GrogDealer | When I try to record any cd or dvd I get that error: unable to write@LBA=xxxxH input/output error |
| 17:40.20 | minerale | valdyn: does it happen ? |
| 17:40.20 | lontra | Hedenberg: you know you only use autogen.sh for svn right? |
| 17:40.29 | GrogDealer | did you see something like this ever? |
| 17:40.35 | valdyn | minerale: well, no, there's debhelper |
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| 17:40.57 | Hedenberg | svn? |
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| 17:41.08 | x_link | valdyn: Do you have time to help me to make some files bootable? |
| 17:41.23 | x_link | valdyn: Have been reading on the site but I don't understand it =/ |
| 17:41.37 | g00se | Just gone into old chroot. Anything wrong in principle with running aptitude dist-upgrade having changed sources.list to etch? |
| 17:41.37 | valdyn | x_link: i dont know your proplem yet |
| 17:41.43 | x_link | Okej. |
| 17:41.45 | lontra | Hedenberg: subversion ... |
| 17:41.46 | x_link | I will tell you. |
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| 17:42.04 | lontra | Hedenberg: did you grab that tarball from the google page? |
| 17:42.12 | lontra | Hedenberg: anyways follow that ubuntu how-to it should be very useful |
| 17:42.22 | Hedenberg | yeah I got that tarball |
| 17:42.23 | x_link | valdyn: I want to upgrade my BIOS. I downloaded the latest BIOS version from the Abit site. I extracted the .zip file and got a new dir. with some files. I need to make those files bootable. |
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| 17:42.33 | x_link | So I can burn it on a CD and run it so that I can install it. |
| 17:42.53 | Hedenberg | got enough stuff installed to get through the configure now |
| 17:42.54 | valdyn | x_link: you cant boot bios files |
| 17:43.01 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 17:43.01 | valdyn | x_link: is it floppy images? |
| 17:43.06 | Hedenberg | but once it starts on the make, it fails ofc :P |
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| 17:43.09 | rysiek|pl | I am having a *very* strange issue here - I get a "Transmit error, Tx status register 90." on my 3c595 card under Debian 4.0; google shows that this error was known back in 1999(!) and was solved then. wth? am I missing anything? |
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| 17:44.02 | valdyn | x_link: you want a freedos bootdisk or somesuch |
| 17:44.17 | x_link | valdyn: I want to burn it to a CD. |
| 17:44.20 | valdyn | x_link: ..unless you download bootable bios floppy images |
| 17:44.21 | lontra | Hedenberg: do you have all those dependencies installed? pastebin your make error |
| 17:44.26 | x_link | valdyn: Okej. |
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| 17:44.34 | x_link | valdyn: I will leave this alone then. |
| 17:44.37 | rysiek|pl | may it be *gasp* that there was a bug somehow re-introduced in the 3c59x module? |
| 17:44.45 | x_link | I have done this once before, but a guy helped me with it. |
| 17:44.57 | Zeug | how can i get locate to look for files on nfs mounts as well as local filesystems? |
| 17:45.15 | gpm | find |
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| 17:45.24 | gpm | doesn't find look on anything that's mounted? |
| 17:45.30 | redduck666 | Zeug: update db? |
| 17:45.48 | gpm | find is live, but it takes a little longer |
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| 17:45.58 | Hedenberg | lontra: http://pastebin.com/931495 |
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| 17:46.23 | redduck666 | gpm: 'little'? especially on 500+ GB NFS mounts :) |
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| 17:46.55 | valdyn | redduck666: like share size matters |
| 17:47.11 | gpm | well yeah, it's live. i guess it depends |
| 17:47.19 | lontra | Hedenberg: do you have libgtk2.0-dev libwnck-dev libwnck-common libgconf2-dev libglib2.0-dev libgnome2-dev libgnome-desktop-2 libgnome-desktop-dev and build-essentials installed? |
| 17:47.24 | gpm | fortunately i've never had to search an fs that big |
| 17:47.35 | emergo | I'm going to add quite a few small-> medium video clips on a web site. Is there any tools that can create a videogallery (create thumbnail of the first frame or something like that ) |
| 17:48.16 | valdyn | emergo: transcode? |
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| 17:48.58 | valdyn | emergo: or mencoder i guess, or mplayer, they all can output jpeg iirc |
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| 17:49.26 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 17:49.37 | yosef | I have question, I'm playing radio on the Rythmbox player, how can I record from the radio channel ? |
| 17:49.42 | Hedenberg | lontra: Yes I got all those installed |
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| 17:50.17 | Azar | cool howto: Running 32-bit Applications on 64-bit Debian GNU/Linux http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534 |
| 17:50.24 | emergo | valdyn: all those are just single programs. I didnt ask to well I guess, maybe a php page that does it for you. Just upload a movie an swop. I think I've seen something in php for photo album online but not video |
| 17:50.33 | lontra | Hedenberg: i'm not sure then ... |
| 17:50.55 | Azar | yosef: ask the ones who created the application. |
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| 17:51.16 | valdyn | emergo: for i in *.avi ; do some mplayer stuff on $i ;done |
| 17:51.20 | Hedenberg | lontra: heh. The linux syndrome. Everything is there but it's still not working :) Thanks anyway mate. |
| 17:51.35 | valdyn | emergo: ( what was bash ) |
| 17:51.59 | lontra | Hedenberg: no problem ... good luck ... i remember it being relatively easy to make but i could be wrong |
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| 17:52.18 | rysiek|pl | guys, anybody any ideas on the 'old' 3c59x Transmit Error problem |
| 17:52.19 | rysiek|pl | ? |
| 17:52.31 | yosef | Azar: No, Because , the recording should be through the sound card not through the software |
| 17:52.34 | emergo | (bash == bæsj) |
| 17:52.48 | lontra | Hedenberg: http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/05/31/how-to-install-setup-and-use-avant-window-navigator-awn-in-ubuntu-feisty/ < --- you could try that too |
| 17:53.00 | Hedenberg | lonta: the errors suggest that either the code is messed up, or that my system uses the wrong compiler or something? |
| 17:53.00 | yosef | Azar: Because of course, who made the application will not let you record the radio chennels |
| 17:53.16 | Azar | yosef: then get rid of Rythmbox, and learn to work with command line |
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| 17:53.36 | valdyn | yosef: you can simply use arecord |
| 17:53.45 | yosef | Azar: I'll try, Thank you |
| 17:53.49 | gpm | does it record whatever's being outputted? |
| 17:53.54 | Azar | valdyn rocks! |
| 17:53.57 | valdyn | yosef: on most sound cards you can just grap what's played with that |
| 17:54.06 | gpm | vnice |
| 17:54.12 | lontra | Hedenberg: you could also try make clean and then try to reconfigure and make it again ... |
| 17:54.15 | emergo | valdyn: looks like I can use a image gallery system and link up videos instead... well thanks |
| 17:54.33 | abrotman | !info vsound etch |
| 17:54.36 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 17:54.49 | Azar | wow, nice |
| 17:55.12 | Defiler | Here comes another stupid question. I have nothing in /etc/logrotate.conf or /etc/logrotate.d/* that refers to /var/log/mail.log and its siblings, but they still rotate |
| 17:55.17 | Defiler | What else could be doing that? |
| 17:55.24 | yosef | valdyn: Thank you, I'm doing |
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| 17:58.37 | lontra | Hedenberg: you could try this as well http://awn.wetpaint.com/page/Ubuntu ... you could just still the source package and create your deb |
| 17:58.45 | lontra | s still/steal |
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| 17:59.27 | blackbart | Where can I find the options for mounting an smb filesystem? mount(8) mentions a smbmount(8), but I don't seem to have that man page. |
| 17:59.34 | Zeug | redduck666, i tried that, and it still won't see anything in nfs mounts |
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| 18:00.49 | Blissex | blackbart: depending on how recent your stuff is look at mounting with the CIFS filesystem. |
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| 18:01.45 | Hedenberg | lontra: I tried that apt source thing. It needs some dependencies though, including python-gconf which it cant get via apt either so it's not working |
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| 18:02.15 | valdyn | blackbart: so install that manpage |
| 18:03.13 | valdyn | blackbart: package is smbfs, which you need anyway |
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| 18:03.36 | valdyn | blackbart: and cifs is preferable indeed |
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| 18:04.43 | gpm | what's the difference between samba and cifs anyway? i thought they were one and the same. |
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| 18:04.55 | backquote | hi |
| 18:04.59 | backquote | i am a debian user |
| 18:05.04 | gpm | me 2!1 |
| 18:05.07 | valdyn | gpm: umm, samba is server, cifs is a filesystem |
| 18:05.13 | zinx | samba is software |
| 18:05.20 | zinx | maybe you meant SMB and CIFS? |
| 18:05.25 | backquote | i would like to know whether there is any command to operate on multiple files |
| 18:05.30 | gpm | yeah, it's all a little fuzzy |
| 18:05.30 | valdyn | gpm: smbfs is old and very backwards compatible and hardly maintained, cifs is more modern |
| 18:05.39 | hardzzzz | hi |
| 18:05.39 | backquote | say for example, i take a project from windows into debian |
| 18:05.41 | gpm | i see |
| 18:05.45 | backquote | so in all the files there ae "\r\n" |
| 18:05.53 | backquote | now i want to remove those "\r" as per the unix file format |
| 18:06.04 | backquote | so i have to run tr -d "\r" on each of them |
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| 18:06.25 | backquote | i would like to know if there is any command that would help me repeat the tr filter on multiple files in one shot |
| 18:06.28 | valdyn | gpm: smbfs is also reverse engineered while cifs should be based on public specs |
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| 18:06.34 | Blissex | backquote: 'dos2unix' and 'd2u' for conversion too. |
| 18:06.35 | zinx | backquote: the shell can do that |
| 18:07.00 | Blissex | backquote: also consider 'find'/'xargs' for recursive application of a command to many files. |
| 18:07.03 | zinx | backquote: but, you're SCM should do that for you |
| 18:07.15 | Blissex | backquote: also most GNU/Linux editors can edit DOS-style text files ok. |
| 18:07.24 | backquote | zinx, that's just one example i gave. |
| 18:07.46 | backquote | there are many other cases as well where I would like one command to work on many files |
| 18:07.52 | karsten | backquote: ... and a fair number of DOS-style editors can handle Unix EOLs as well. |
| 18:07.58 | zinx | backquote: the shell can do that.. |
| 18:08.02 | backquote | karsten, yeah i know |
| 18:08.17 | zinx | backquote: 'for', and 'find'+'xargs' are the popular combos |
| 18:08.19 | backquote | something like cp *txt *ini |
| 18:08.24 | backquote | or mv *txt *ini |
| 18:08.32 | karsten | backquote: "for file in <list generating command or blob>; do <command> $f; done |
| 18:08.36 | karsten | " |
| 18:08.36 | backquote | can i express such commands ? |
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| 18:08.46 | valdyn | backquote: for i in *.txt; do tr -d "\r" $i;done |
| 18:08.50 | gpm | for i in *.txt; do mv "$i" `basename "$i" .txt`.ini; done |
| 18:08.51 | gpm | ? |
| 18:08.51 | karsten | backquote: See also xargs. |
| 18:08.51 | backquote | karsten, yes so far i have writing a shell script with for loop |
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| 18:09.07 | backquote | xargs can handle mv *txt *ini type cases? |
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| 18:09.17 | karsten | valdyn: You have to explicitly redirect from file for tr, so it's "tr -d "\r" <$i; done |
| 18:09.22 | backquote | i thought xargs is only to form arguments at run time |
| 18:09.24 | Blissex | backquote: 'for' is a very bad idea. It does not handle well many filenames. |
| 18:09.27 | karsten | valdyn: ... and you'd want to output to something as well. |
| 18:09.29 | valdyn | karsten: ops, thanks |
| 18:09.32 | karsten | backquote: Nope. |
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| 18:09.35 | zinx | Blissex: yes it does |
| 18:09.45 | zinx | Blissex: you have to quote it properly :/ |
| 18:09.52 | backquote | blissex, can you give some examples of file names that 'for' can't handl |
| 18:09.53 | karsten | Blissex: Correct, you may have to quote the results. |
| 18:09.55 | backquote | *handle |
| 18:09.56 | zinx | Blissex: i.e., "$i" instead of $i |
| 18:09.58 | pourriture | I want to run a vnc4server and have it available after reboot ... there is no init.d startup script provided with the package. Does it make more sense to find a startup script from another distro or have inetd call it? |
| 18:10.01 | karsten | backquote: Names with spaces. |
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| 18:10.05 | Blissex | backquote: use 'find'/'xargs' with say a shell or 'find'/'while ... done' |
| 18:10.16 | backquote | karsten, but we can always put them in quotes or escape the space |
| 18:10.17 | Blissex | zinx: problem is, there is no 3way to do proper quoting like that |
| 18:10.19 | karsten | backquote: It's a really good idea to run "for file in <list>; do echo <command>; done |
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| 18:10.25 | zinx | Blissex: and using filename generators that are well-behaved (i.e., globbing) |
| 18:10.28 | pourriture | or is there another way that I am missing |
| 18:10.36 | karsten | backquote: ... and see if there's any problems with the resulting command set. |
| 18:10.36 | zinx | Blissex: uhm, yes there is |
| 18:10.41 | Blissex | zinx: but they are not well-behaved. Whatever that means. |
| 18:10.46 | zinx | Blissex: "$i" works perfectly fine |
| 18:10.56 | zinx | Blissex: and globbing does as well |
| 18:10.56 | valdyn | pourriture: you want to run that as root? |
| 18:10.58 | Blissex | zinx: try to use that with a list of globbed files... |
| 18:11.14 | backquote | karsten, ok! i am already doing that. i just wanted to make sure that there is no ready made command in linux that lets me do mv *txt *ini type stuff |
| 18:11.19 | Blissex | zinx: but you are welcome to try your methods. |
| 18:11.19 | zinx | Blissex: touch "this is a test"; for i in *test; do ls -l "$i"; done |
| 18:11.24 | zinx | Blissex: It works perfectly. |
| 18:11.25 | pourriture | valdyn: no .. else I would just put a one liner in rc.local |
| 18:11.31 | valdyn | pourriture: i think you want to run this as one specific common user |
| 18:11.34 | Blissex | zinx: try it, try it yourself. |
| 18:11.41 | valdyn | pourriture: so it has no business in /etc/rc* |
| 18:11.42 | zinx | Blissex: YOU TRY IT. |
| 18:11.48 | zinx | Blissex: I already know it works. |
| 18:11.57 | zinx | Blissex: stop spreading lies :/ |
| 18:12.02 | valdyn | pourriture: crontab -e ( as user ) with the @reboot target could work |
| 18:12.03 | pourriture | valdyn: I coud use sudo - user vncserver & in rc.local |
| 18:12.08 | Blissex | backquote: have a look at 'mmv', 'rename', 'krename' |
| 18:12.19 | valdyn | pourriture: yea, you could but that's messy |
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| 18:12.30 | ubitux | hi |
| 18:12.36 | valdyn | pourriture: crontab -e can set this up as a user, without root involved |
| 18:12.38 | zinx | Blissex: globbing does not parse twice - it puts files as single arguments |
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| 18:12.42 | Blissex | backquote: or have a look at FreshMeat.net for ''mass renamer'' |
| 18:12.54 | karsten | Blissex: http://paste.debian.net/30812 |
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| 18:13.01 | karsten | Blissex: for loop on globbed files |
| 18:13.07 | pourriture | good answer valdyn ... I like that way better than sudo |
| 18:13.08 | karsten | Blissex: ... with a space in a name. |
| 18:13.12 | ubitux | in the /etc/bootmisc.sh, there is a "uname -snrvm" (for the /etc/motd), why not a uname -a ?? |
| 18:13.13 | zinx | Blissex: if you had, however: for i in `ls -1 *test`; do blah "$i"; done, then things would be different. that is not a well-behaved way of generating a list of files. |
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| 18:13.39 | gpm | man uname |
| 18:13.43 | gpm | you're welcome to change it |
| 18:13.45 | Defiler | ubitux: Might be the never-ending bug that makes -p return 'unknown' |
| 18:13.51 | Defiler | (which comes in the -a output) |
| 18:14.04 | valdyn | ubitux: they're not identical |
| 18:14.15 | ubitux | ok thanks :) |
| 18:14.46 | Blissex | zinx: karsten: so in sojme special cases it works, and others it does not. Now consider the case where a glob returns 100,000 files... |
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| 18:15.06 | Southern | Hi |
| 18:15.12 | karsten | Blissex: That's where you'd want to use xargs. |
| 18:15.19 | karsten | Blissex: Command list too long. |
| 18:15.38 | backquote | i recently switched over from ubuntu to debian |
| 18:15.42 | backquote | andi find debian really cool |
| 18:15.44 | karsten | Blissex: Note that you might also want to dump that to a file itself, then make sure you're operating properly in constructing a command string. |
| 18:15.57 | Southern | I would like to share my usb hard drive (mounted in /media/usb0 ) with my ftp users... how can I achieve that?? |
| 18:16.01 | Southern | Thanks on forehand! |
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| 18:16.11 | Blissex | karsten: but then you have to explain to people that 'for' loops work with literal globbing, but only with short argument lists, and so on. Gets complicated. |
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| 18:16.52 | backquote | hey guys! found a cool link for that mv *txt *ini problem |
| 18:16.53 | backquote | http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ#head-8eb34ce24939d953913a2c39fcd140cc6cc6de66 |
| 18:17.01 | ubitux | is it normal that PermitRootLogin is by default Yes with SSH ? |
| 18:17.02 | backquote | it has some good examples of doing it securely and nicely |
| 18:17.06 | Scurz | How compile mplayer without ipv6 ? |
| 18:17.10 | ubitux | there is no comment on this option too :( |
| 18:17.15 | karsten | Blissex: Life is complicated. Might as well kill yourself now. |
| 18:17.24 | karsten | ubitux: yes. |
| 18:17.24 | valdyn | Scurz: why on earth compile mplayer? |
| 18:17.38 | ubitux | why karsten ? |
| 18:17.42 | ubitux | why this choice ? |
| 18:18.38 | pourriture | valdyn: that is cool ... had no clue about the @reboot thing |
| 18:18.47 | Azar | valdyn: I guess the word "compile" was not his best choice - he does not speak english well |
| 18:18.59 | Scurz | valdyn: Because I have this error : "couldn't resolve name for AF_INET 6" and I must compile mplayer for not have this error ! |
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| 18:19.14 | valdyn | Scurz: nah |
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| 18:20.06 | valdyn | Scurz: if that name was not resolvable, then recompiling cant fix that, if that name was resolvable on ipv4, then that error doesnt matter |
| 18:20.25 | Scurz | valdyn: This error comes of the ipv6 support. |
| 18:20.34 | Scurz | :/ |
| 18:20.37 | pickcoder | Scurz: do you need ipv6 at all? |
| 18:20.37 | Defiler | What might be on my etch box that is rotating logs, other than the entries in logrotate.conf and logrotate.d/* ? |
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| 18:20.43 | Scurz | pickcoder: no |
| 18:20.46 | valdyn | Scurz: it comes from a naming being not resolvable |
| 18:20.48 | efaistos | hi |
| 18:20.49 | Defiler | Something is rotating my mail logs, and I can't find it. Heh |
| 18:20.59 | Scurz | valdyn: :-: |
| 18:20.59 | pickcoder | Scurz: so blacklist the ipv6 modules and reboot |
| 18:21.02 | valdyn | Scurz: removing ipv6 will remove the error MESSAGE but it wont fix the error |
| 18:21.19 | pickcoder | valdyn: eh? |
| 18:21.23 | efaistos | is there some problem with xserver-xorg pkg ? everytime I'm trying to start it I've got a black screen and then nothing |
| 18:21.23 | Scurz | pickcoder: how ? what file ? |
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| 18:21.36 | pickcoder | if there is no tcp6 stack then the player won't use it |
| 18:21.56 | valdyn | pickcoder: and the name wont resolve any better |
| 18:22.00 | efaistos | I must restart computer ... cant go to a console to stop the X server :( |
| 18:22.16 | rysiek|pl | efaistos: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace |
| 18:22.24 | backquote | efaistos, why do you need to go to the console to restart X server |
| 18:22.27 | efaistos | rysiek|pl: already tried |
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| 18:22.40 | backquote | efaistos, open terminal, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 18:22.42 | rysiek|pl | efaistos: do you have a second machine at hand? |
| 18:22.47 | efaistos | backquote: because the screen is black and cant do anything |
| 18:22.49 | backquote | it stops, you get the console, then start it again |
| 18:22.52 | efaistos | rysiek|pl: nope |
| 18:22.59 | efaistos | backquote: nope |
| 18:23.00 | backquote | efaistos, if you can type well, just go ahead and type, it will take it |
| 18:23.01 | rysiek|pl | efaistos: and you are writing from?.. |
| 18:23.03 | rysiek|pl | :) |
| 18:23.05 | pickcoder | Scurz: what name is it trying to resolve? a local hostname? |
| 18:23.07 | backquote | it happens to me also |
| 18:23.14 | backquote | i don't bother about the black appearance |
| 18:23.30 | backquote | i take it that i am blind, i just type my user name, password even though nothing appears |
| 18:23.35 | Azar | efaistos: you mean the bootloader does not work? |
| 18:23.35 | efaistos | if it was the case I wouldn't reboot my computer ... |
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| 18:23.39 | backquote | and then i issue the command blindly and it works |
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| 18:23.57 | efaistos | backquote: wont reply to you because ... it's a wasting of time |
| 18:24.03 | backquote | hmm :) |
| 18:24.06 | Scurz | valdyn: I have asked on #mplayer for this error. And they said that came from the support ivp6. |
| 18:24.12 | backquote | but rebooting linux doesn't sound good :) |
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| 18:24.28 | Scurz | pickcoder: hmm |
| 18:24.41 | efaistos | Azar: no it's working fine ... I just uploaded some xserver-xorg pkg and now ... it doesnt work anymore |
| 18:24.56 | backquote | did you overwrite the xorg.conf file? |
| 18:25.03 | efaistos | backquote: and what do you do ... when you cant do anything ... |
| 18:25.07 | Azar | efaistos: your "black screen" does have any "prompt" on it? or just 100% black? |
| 18:25.18 | efaistos | 100% black |
| 18:25.20 | efaistos | nothing on it |
| 18:25.29 | backquote | efaistos, as i said, when i can't do anything, i just press ctrl+alt+1, the screen is 100% black |
| 18:25.32 | efaistos | cant kill it to go to a prompt |
| 18:25.34 | valdyn | Scurz: use "mplayer -prefer-ipv4" |
| 18:25.38 | backquote | i still go ahead with typing my user name and then my password |
| 18:25.42 | backquote | the screen is still black |
| 18:25.46 | efaistos | backquote: I'm using linux since 98 so I know some stuffs |
| 18:25.47 | backquote | then i do, /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 18:25.49 | Scurz | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:25.54 | backquote | and it works for me |
| 18:26.01 | Azar | efaistos: that means that the system does not boot... grub is not working maybe |
| 18:26.05 | valdyn | Scurz: if that works satisfactory you can create an alias or edit ~/.mplayer/config |
| 18:26.10 | backquote | efaistos, no insult meant to you. i am just sharing my knowledge even though i am a noob. :) |
| 18:26.11 | efaistos | Azar: its working fine |
| 18:26.21 | efaistos | it's just some issue about X11 |
| 18:26.40 | efaistos | backquote: evreything you said was already tried |
| 18:26.45 | Azar | efaistos: if the system boots up, and you have a "prompt" command line then you could try to reconfigure the x server |
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| 18:26.48 | backquote | hmm |
| 18:26.50 | pickcoder | backquote: is getty running on tty1-tty6? |
| 18:26.55 | efaistos | Azar: already tried |
| 18:27.10 | efaistos | someone under sid ? |
| 18:27.11 | backquote | pickcoder, yes |
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| 18:27.25 | Azar | efaistos: if you run sid, oh well you can expect to break. |
| 18:27.28 | valdyn | efaistos: boot into rescue mode and run "echo false > /etc/X11/default-display-manager" |
| 18:27.29 | backquote | i upgraded to sid one day and all my fonts were botched up :( |
| 18:28.04 | gpm | even then, i don't complain about breakage |
| 18:28.06 | efaistos | valdyn: but that will not help me to resolve my X isssue ... |
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| 18:28.25 | valdyn | efaistos: nope |
| 18:28.26 | backquote | what is the best forum for asking debian questions, http://forum.debian.net/ ? |
| 18:28.26 | Azar | efaistos: try to do what valdyn said.. |
| 18:28.38 | valdyn | backquote: the mailing lists |
| 18:28.47 | efaistos | backquote: mailing list debian-user |
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| 18:29.03 | gpm | -digest |
| 18:29.04 | backquote | thanks valdyn and efaistos |
| 18:29.24 | efaistos | hmm ... I'll upgrade to sid my xserver package to see |
| 18:29.26 | backquote | debhelper is a bot or human? |
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| 18:29.48 | backquote | ChanServ of course is a bot I know |
| 18:29.53 | backquote | what about debhelper |
| 18:29.55 | backquote | ? |
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| 18:30.09 | Azar | maybe is the chair where dpkg sits |
| 18:30.29 | rysiek|pl | guys... /whois debhelper? :) |
| 18:30.39 | rysiek|pl | '(#Debian's bot. <debhelper@rzlab.ucr.edu>)' |
| 18:30.51 | backquote | hmm |
| 18:31.20 | backquote | anyone knows whether grex.cyberspace.org still works |
| 18:32.16 | Hedenberg | lontra: I've still not managed to get it right. Cant install a ubuntu python-gconf .deb package because it's in conflict with the currently existing python-gnome2. heh |
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| 18:34.07 | massctrl | hi anyone knows if I can export an lvm2 volume (which is running on top of an md raid) with aoe ? |
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| 18:34.13 | Hedenberg | Anyone know any guide to install avant-window-navigator on Debian? Everything is about ubuntu, and thats not working |
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| 18:34.26 | rysiek|pl | guys, I am having a hard time with 3c59x module and "transmit error" - something that seems to have been resolved back in 1999 (google says so andd /me believes) |
| 18:34.54 | fromshelltocore | sysinfo |
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| 18:34.57 | Defiler | rysiek|pl: In the old days, I remember forcing the correct duplex mode helped with that |
| 18:35.02 | Defiler | That is, if my brain is working |
| 18:35.22 | rysiek|pl | Defiler: that's my second problem, I cant make it work in 100full-duplex |
| 18:35.34 | rysiek|pl | it *always* falls back to 10hd |
| 18:35.59 | Defiler | Are you forcing it with that module parameter? |
| 18:36.29 | rysiek|pl | Defiler: I *think* I tried that, but not sure here |
| 18:36.36 | Hedenberg | Anyone know anything that is similar to Avant window navigator but easier to install on deb? :> |
| 18:36.38 | rysiek|pl | Defiler: which parameter are you talking aboot |
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| 18:37.27 | Defiler | rysiek|pl: Try this: modprobe 3c59x options=0 full_duplex=1 |
| 18:37.53 | Defiler | You might not need the options=0 part |
| 18:38.31 | pickcoder | rysiek|pl: mii-tool -F 100baseTx-FD eth0 |
| 18:38.36 | rysiek|pl | Defiler: ok, gimme a few minutes, some NFS shares have to be umounted, etc |
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| 18:38.47 | Defiler | Aah. pickcoder's idea is probably better anyway |
| 18:38.51 | fromshelltocore | Sysinfo for 'fromshelltocore': Linux 2.6.18.8-84 running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ at 2211 MHz (4423 bogomips), HD: 71/229GB, RAM: 931/1011MB, 91 proc's, 4.43h up |
| 18:39.02 | rysiek|pl | pickcoder: hmm, thanks, trying that now |
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| 18:39.23 | pickcoder | if the board doesn't change meda types, then you may have to use the driver to set the media |
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| 18:40.26 | thor | firestarter dont start whitout root kode (have don a visudo (thor ALL=NOPASSWD: /urs/sbin/firestarter)what have i don wrong |
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| 18:41.26 | rysiek|pl | pickcoder: didn't work. mii-diag shows: http://wklej.org/id/5af3fb7e5e |
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| 18:41.34 | nofxx_ | Can someone help me with squid?! I got connection only for some seconds... then I got 'FD 15: write failure: (32) Broken pipe.' on squid cache |
| 18:41.38 | valdyn | thor: why does it need to run w/o password? |
| 18:41.54 | thor | valdyn i dont no |
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| 18:42.34 | rysiek|pl | brb, if anybody gets an idea, gimme a ping, thanks |
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| 18:43.03 | blackest | can anyone help me out I have kernel headers installed but for some reason include<linux/usb.h> isn't finding the header file |
| 18:43.25 | thor | valdyn because i want it start up when start my pc |
| 18:43.29 | valdyn | blackest: why the hell would that find kernel headers? |
| 18:43.53 | valdyn | blackest: on which debian release? |
| 18:44.05 | thor | valdyn etch |
| 18:44.06 | blackest | i am trying to run make but its getting errors |
| 18:44.10 | valdyn | blackest: which package exactly are you referring to, that you installed? |
| 18:44.13 | wols | blackest: what you wrote doesn'is not valid C |
| 18:44.43 | blackest | #include <linux/usb.h> :~) sorry i am tired |
| 18:45.13 | valdyn | blackest: ls -l /usr/include/linux/usb.h |
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| 18:45.58 | blackest | hmm its not there |
| 18:46.04 | valdyn | so what |
| 18:46.06 | Gerrit | How can I find the install date of a package with dpkg? It doesn't seem to be in any of the fields as mentioned in dpkg-query(1)? |
| 18:46.10 | valdyn | so which package did you install? |
| 18:46.19 | valdyn | blackest: on which debian release |
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| 18:46.30 | blackest | it is here /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic/include/config/usb.h |
| 18:46.41 | valdyn | blackest: no that's something else |
| 18:46.54 | wols | Gerrit: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 18:47.07 | wols | blackest: linux-kernel-headers |
| 18:47.14 | blackest | ahem its actually ubuntu |
| 18:47.20 | Gerrit | wols: Thanks. Is that the only place, or is the information also stored in the dpkg-database? |
| 18:47.23 | wols | blackest: then we cannot help you |
| 18:47.33 | wols | Gerrit: no clue |
| 18:47.37 | valdyn | blackest: its already different in different debian releases... |
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| 18:47.44 | valdyn | blackest: god knows what ubuntu uses |
| 18:47.54 | Hedenberg | where can I download enlightenment engage? |
| 18:48.09 | wols | blackest: packages.ubuntu.com jhas a search function like pdo. use it |
| 18:48.10 | knighthawk | what's the best way to tell what version of debian I'm running. Like in redhat I could cat /etc/redhat-version |
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| 18:48.17 | wols | !version |
| 18:48.17 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 18:48.29 | valdyn | knighthawk: guess! |
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| 18:49.03 | knighthawk | valdyn, |
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| 18:49.11 | valdyn | knighthawk: /etc/deb<tab><tab> |
| 18:49.13 | Gerrit | Hum. |
| 18:49.16 | knighthawk | ah believe it or not I did try looking there first |
| 18:49.22 | knighthawk | but I guess I missed it. |
| 18:49.25 | blackest | ok thanks for your help I think this wi not be easy the source was on opensuse originally |
| 18:49.42 | valdyn | knighthawk: its less useful on debian because upgrading on debian is so much easier and more common |
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| 18:49.53 | valdyn | knighthawk: so often people use the version of libc6 |
| 18:50.09 | knighthawk | valdyn, okay thanks |
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| 18:50.11 | valdyn | knighthawk: ( and doing halfassed upgrades is common ) |
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| 18:50.57 | wols | valdyn: more like it's common to run packages from stable, oldtable, testing and unstable all at once. plus lots of stuff from non standard repos :) |
| 18:51.10 | valdyn | wols: aye |
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| 18:52.06 | thor | firestarter dont start whitout root kode (have don a visudo (thor ALL=NOPASSWD: /urs/sbin/firestarter)what have i don wrong |
| 18:52.16 | pickcoder | rysiek|pl: you will have to set the module to auto link speed probably |
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| 18:52.51 | pickcoder | you should never force a media type unless you absolutely know that the media detection is faulty |
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| 18:53.38 | Touff_ | hi |
| 18:53.55 | rysiek|pl | pickcoder: I will be doing some tests today pro'ly |
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| 18:54.20 | Touff_ | I can't find anymore the netinstall of debian in the floppy version, can you help me please |
| 18:54.25 | edistar | can someone help me with xen? or is there an irc channel for xen? I followed a howto on a fresh install of etch but it doesn't want to debootstrap a domain |
| 18:54.29 | Touff_ | (excuse my poor english, i'm french) |
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| 18:54.48 | rysiek|pl | pickcoder: I'll see if some other hardware goes 100fd or has problems. if it works AOK - there will be a new bugrep against linux-image-2.6.18-4-686, methinks |
| 18:54.54 | rysiek|pl | pickcoder: thanks for your help |
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| 18:55.12 | Touff_ | Is there someone to help me ? |
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| 18:55.52 | edistar | Touff: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/ |
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| 18:56.04 | helo | is it possible to tell which driver is being used by a particular network interface? |
| 18:56.11 | helo | module, that is |
| 18:56.12 | Touff_ | thanks very much |
| 18:56.18 | edistar | no problem :) |
| 18:56.22 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 18:56.24 | valdyn | helo: why does that matter? |
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| 18:56.32 | Touff_ | I have searches for hours on the debian site |
| 18:56.36 | GhostlyDeath | I installed something in WINE and it IS NOT ANYWHER!?!? |
| 18:56.47 | GhostlyDeath | There a deep file search thing? |
| 18:56.52 | x_link | Touff_: What are you looking for? |
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| 18:57.03 | helo | valdyn: i'm building an image for a specific machine, and i don't know whether i should compile in sk98lin or skge (the relpacement for sk98lin), as autodection loads both |
| 18:57.05 | wols | updatedb; locate <file> |
| 18:57.07 | valdyn | helo: you dont really want to know which nic ( hardware ) is which interface ( ethX )? |
| 18:57.20 | Touff_ | x_link, it's ok, edistar gave me the link ;) |
| 18:57.27 | x_link | Ohh ok. =) |
| 18:57.28 | valdyn | helo: blacklist one |
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| 18:57.38 | valdyn | helo: both drive the same hardware, pretty much |
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| 18:57.57 | jelly-home | helo: skge is newer and generally a better choice |
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| 18:58.03 | valdyn | helo: lsmod shows how many users a particular module has |
| 18:58.03 | edistar | Touff: the debian site is not very clear.. |
| 18:58.21 | helo | valdyn: iirc lsmod shows how many modules a particular module is being used by |
| 18:58.24 | pickcoder | rysiek|pl: you can always check the available module params with modinfo |
| 18:58.28 | valdyn | helo: no |
| 18:58.32 | valdyn | helo: how many users it has |
| 18:58.35 | pickcoder | I.E. modinfo /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/3c59x.ko |
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| 18:59.10 | edistar | anyone with experience with xen? |
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| 18:59.13 | helo | valdyn: ok, well this box with autodected, working ethernet driver has '0' next to both sk98lin and skge... it is a marvell gigabit card... |
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| 18:59.33 | valdyn | helo: ok |
| 18:59.38 | valdyn | helo: you have only 1 nic? |
| 19:00.08 | valdyn | helo: only one of both drivers can report functioning properly in 'dmesg' |
| 19:00.27 | nofxx_ | squid gives me 20secs of connection and then crawls.... Ive even set 777 permissons on /var/spool/squid.... du shows only some bytes.. (from 100 cache clean.. to 650 now) |
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| 19:00.56 | defected | is there any way to create a binary of a package with all its depedencies to avoid breaking other programs depedencies |
| 19:01.06 | helo | valdyn: yeah, only 1 nic... i'll check dmesg |
| 19:01.14 | nofxx_ | why it works perfect for 20 secs after I clean and rebuild the cache ( thu webmin ) and then.... fucks? |
| 19:02.38 | MoDaX | !webmin |
| 19:02.38 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 19:02.40 | V-Napkin | thanks for all the help, guys |
| 19:02.41 | assasukasse | hi everyone |
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| 19:03.01 | assasukasse | i need to set up a cluster for lam-mpi, they advice to use RSH but i DO not want to use it but ssh.. |
| 19:03.10 | assasukasse | does anyone know if is workable? |
| 19:03.49 | edistar | yes, rsh is exchangeable with ssh |
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| 19:04.10 | assasukasse | edistar: how should i change the hosts.equiv? if it should be changed at all.. |
| 19:04.28 | nofxx_ | ok.. I swear I will uninstall webmin!! xDDD kidding.. the thing is.. I m not using webmin to configure squid , just used the clean and rebuild... |
| 19:04.33 | karsten | assasukasse: ?? |
| 19:04.39 | nofxx_ | oh jez.. I did the initial config on it then? |
| 19:04.49 | karsten | assasukasse: You do or do not want to use ssh? |
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| 19:04.53 | t0m | hi |
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| 19:05.12 | karsten | assasukasse: I would *very* strongly recommend you use ssh rather than rsh. |
| 19:05.13 | edistar | assasukasse: I haven't done that for ages, I can't remember.. sry |
| 19:05.14 | assasukasse | karsten: i am reading a guide for rsh, so i am trying to figure out what is needed and what is not.. |
| 19:05.23 | t0m | ive red that i can define a socks for applications like nmap in /etc/network/interfaces but someone know how? |
| 19:05.47 | valdyn | t0m: you can WHAT? |
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| 19:05.58 | t0m | sry my english is not the best |
| 19:06.02 | t0m | ill try it again |
| 19:06.06 | helo | valdyn: that did it, loading sk98lin gives a 'link not present', while loading skge works properly |
| 19:06.23 | t0m | for example i start nmap in terminal i want to use a socks 5 for the scan |
| 19:06.34 | helo | both modules load without module load errors, however |
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| 19:06.47 | t0m | i red i can define this in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:07.07 | karsten | assasukasse: ssh is pretty much drop-in substitutable for rsh. Assume your network si hostile, either now, or at some future time, and roll with SSH. If you go RSH now you're going to want to cut over at soem future time and it's going to be a mess. |
| 19:07.20 | assasukasse | karsten: so i just need to make an user like mpiuser, then grant it rsa passwordless access and it's done? |
| 19:07.29 | karsten | assasukasse: I admin a set of clusters (5000+ CPUs) and we're in that situation. |
| 19:07.33 | karsten | assasukasse: No. |
| 19:07.37 | valdyn | t0m: im really stupid or there's absolutely no sense in doing this |
| 19:07.46 | karsten | assasukasse: ... erm, maybe. I'd use ssh-agent myself. |
| 19:07.54 | valdyn | t0m: why the hell nmap over a socks proxy ? |
| 19:08.03 | t0m | i want to run all aplications trough a socks5 |
| 19:08.10 | assasukasse | karsten: do u have any tutorial, guide or just plain experience? :D |
| 19:08.14 | t0m | nmap was an example |
| 19:08.31 | valdyn | t0m: that's a bad example, considering nmap uses all ports |
| 19:08.37 | karsten | assasukasse: The latter. |
| 19:08.54 | t0m | ok |
| 19:08.58 | assasukasse | karsten: do u have time to explain me something, because i have NO experience at all with ssh-agent.. |
| 19:09.01 | valdyn | t0m: /etc/init.d/interfaces has nothing to do with this. |
| 19:09.01 | t0m | but you know what i mean? |
| 19:09.12 | assasukasse | i was planning to set up a small cluster in Mpi with a couple of nodes and a master |
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| 19:09.24 | helo | so is sqlite extraordinarily happyfun? |
| 19:09.26 | nofxx_ | so how to reset squid... and everything webmin could hav done with it ? dpkg configure webmin? |
| 19:09.28 | t0m | ive read somethin in google |
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| 19:09.38 | valdyn | t0m: yea, i fail to see the sense still though. But.. install a socks proxy, configure it, let apps use that socks proxy |
| 19:09.47 | assasukasse | using ssh as protocol and setting ssh rsa authentication keys.. |
| 19:09.54 | valdyn | t0m: ( though most might not support socks ) |
| 19:09.55 | t0m | i tried tsocks |
| 19:10.09 | karsten | assasukasse: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/sshrsakey.html |
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| 19:10.46 | assasukasse | thanks karsten i already use this in my machines :D |
| 19:10.49 | karsten | assasukasse: If your users are running any modern Linux, then they're running ssh-agent as part of their X session. "ssh-add" will prompt for a password, and feed the agent. |
| 19:11.01 | t0m | i wont install a socks |
| 19:11.04 | t0m | ive got a socks server |
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| 19:11.34 | valdyn | t0m: so tsocks and the appropriate firewall rules |
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| 19:11.55 | karsten | assasukasse: You can then revoke the password ifyou want. This gives you two factor (RSA key plus passphrase) authentication, with the convenience of passwordless access to all hosts with the public key corresponding to your private key, *after* ssh-agent is primed. |
| 19:12.03 | valdyn | t0m: oh, hold on, i dont know yet how tsocks is supposed to work |
| 19:12.06 | t0m | appropriate firewall rules ?? sry but i dont understand appropriate |
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| 19:12.16 | shirish | guys what is the ncurses installer which is used by debian? |
| 19:12.19 | zck | hi |
| 19:12.21 | valdyn | t0m: forget that, i was to quick |
| 19:12.25 | t0m | :) ok |
| 19:12.30 | zck | is lilo the default bootloader?? |
| 19:12.31 | shirish | its used by ubuntu for the alternate installer also? |
| 19:12.39 | karsten | assasukasse: The principle downside is key propogation: you've got to get the public key on each host the user wants access to. There are a few other twists, but IMO ssh is among yoru better options. |
| 19:12.40 | giupy | can it be possible that after sid upgrade sshfs don't want to go and say me "remote host has disconnected" |
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| 19:12.43 | karsten | zck: GRUB. |
| 19:12.44 | shirish | anybody knows? |
| 19:13.00 | assasukasse | karsten: that is nice, but what if the machines i use as cluster are behind a closed door..do i have to go inside and type the passphrase? |
| 19:13.08 | karsten | shirish: debian-installer |
| 19:13.10 | zck | karsten: I've downloaded netinstall cd 4.0, and is lilo |
| 19:13.12 | zck | ¿?¿? |
| 19:13.19 | shirish | karsten: thanx , see you :) |
| 19:13.21 | karsten | assasukasse: Sorry? |
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| 19:14.19 | valdyn | t0m: so, how are you using ( or trying to use tsocks ) |
| 19:14.29 | karsten | assasukasse: SSH offers the option of password authentication (unless you've disabled it). |
| 19:14.39 | assasukasse | karsten: i tell u this, i've been struggling to get access to the cluster from ouside, so what i did was this, i sent up a ssh tunnel to my machine, then sent back an ssh session and it does work, for this i set up a passphraseless key on the master node, and copied the pubkey on my computer.. |
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| 19:15.00 | t0m | that no one can get my real ip |
| 19:15.21 | valdyn | t0m: not WHY, HOW |
| 19:15.25 | assasukasse | karsten: if u don't mind i write you a query to explain in details everyhting..this way i feel like i am babbling :D |
| 19:15.29 | karsten | assasukasse: I *don't* have time to give you detailed support, but I'm assuming that there's a public (or at least LAN / VPN) access to this cluster. You can't initiate a session to a system you can't access. |
| 19:15.42 | karsten | assasukasse: Keep it on channel, I've got work to do, sorry. |
| 19:15.44 | t0m | ? |
| 19:16.03 | assasukasse | karsten: ok no problem. so this idea u gave me of ssh-agent is pretty nice |
| 19:16.12 | valdyn | t0m: what's your native language? |
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| 19:16.19 | assasukasse | truly talking i didn't completely figure out how to use it but seems powerful |
| 19:16.29 | t0m | german =( |
| 19:16.35 | valdyn | !de |
| 19:16.35 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 19:16.37 | t0m | but noone on german channels can help me |
| 19:16.47 | valdyn | !tor |
| 19:16.48 | dpkg | [tor] a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
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| 19:17.06 | valdyn | t0m: have you looked into tor? |
| 19:17.21 | valdyn | t0m: this socks idea of yours seems silly |
| 19:17.35 | t0m | ill cgheck tor |
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| 19:17.50 | euthyrox_lover | Hello :) |
| 19:17.50 | valdyn | t0m: tor is made for anonymity |
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| 19:18.18 | edistar | euthyrox_lover: you are not by chance familiar with xen? :P I need help;) |
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| 19:18.49 | euthyrox_lover | edistar unfortunatly :) |
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| 19:20.25 | assasukasse | karsten, i think i started to got what u mean: ssh-agent in fact is just a program that runs on every node and stores the passphrase of my key--i copy my pubkey on every node, ssh-add it, then ssh-agent will care to type the passphrase for me so i get virtually passwordless access. what i didn't get is this: my pubkey goes in authorized_keys? |
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| 19:21.34 | gpm | that's where the pubkey goes, yes. |
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| 19:23.02 | assasukasse | thanks gpm |
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| 19:39.02 | Nin | hi there folks! |
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| 19:39.26 | Nin | I have a Debian testing and trying to install the LaTeX environment in my computer |
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| 19:39.33 | loswillios | hi there |
| 19:39.36 | Nin | it's extremely important |
| 19:39.36 | dondelelcaro | Nin: you want to install texlive |
| 19:39.51 | streuner | stew: wtf is going on? |
| 19:39.52 | Nin | yes dondelelcaro , but I am still having problems |
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| 19:40.00 | stew | streuner: there was a netsplit. |
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| 19:40.05 | rysiek|pl | streuner: netsplit |
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| 19:40.08 | Nin | if I try to do apt-get install texlive-common |
| 19:40.12 | rysiek|pl | dang! too late ;) |
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| 19:40.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell Nin -about bat |
| 19:40.23 | loswillios | Is there a possibility to install vim-full without X and the whole stuff mentioned here: http://pastebin.ca/574895 ? |
| 19:40.27 | dondelelcaro | Nin: follow those instructions, and give us the requested output |
| 19:40.39 | Nin | ok dondelelcaro thank you very MUCH |
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| 19:40.54 | loswillios | unfortunately vim.tiny was compiled without syntax |
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| 19:41.07 | valdyn | loswillios: vim-full installs X ? |
| 19:41.17 | valdyn | loswillios: its 'just' some libraries |
| 19:41.19 | loswillios | valdyn: according to http://pastebin.ca/574895 yes |
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| 19:41.29 | dondelelcaro | loswillios: that's not X. |
| 19:41.40 | loswillios | aha |
| 19:41.40 | dondelelcaro | loswillios: you'll know you've installed X when you see something called xserver being installed. |
| 19:41.49 | loswillios | ok |
| 19:41.57 | valdyn | loswillios: there's alot of stuff unrelated to vim there |
| 19:42.08 | valdyn | loswillios: might want to bring your system in sync with repositories first |
| 19:42.13 | dondelelcaro | (though by installing vim-full, you are asking for the gnome frontend to vim to be installed, which may not be what you want) |
| 19:42.23 | loswillios | valdyn: I did aptitude update && upgrade already |
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| 19:42.33 | loswillios | no new packages where installed. (4.0 btw) |
| 19:42.33 | valdyn | loswillios: dist-upgrade |
| 19:42.34 | dondelelcaro | you probably just want vim, not vim-tiny |
| 19:42.44 | loswillios | dondelelcaro: ah |
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| 19:43.11 | valdyn | pretty strange vim-full could pull 'portmap' |
| 19:43.27 | loswillios | dondelelcaro: much better! |
| 19:43.29 | valdyn | ..which it does not for me |
| 19:43.34 | loswillios | thx guys |
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| 19:43.53 | Nin | dondelelcaro and other, when trying to install texlive-common i got the following -> info and output here->http://rafb.net/p/j3Obgu72.html |
| 19:43.56 | valdyn | ah - fam.. |
| 19:44.30 | Nin | I was playing around with testing/unstable, but I changed /etc/apt/sources.list to testing only |
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| 19:44.42 | Nin | and I updated the system, however, I am not sure if everything went OK |
| 19:44.47 | Nin | I am still beginner |
| 19:45.07 | streuner | Who's at the debconf yet? |
| 19:45.29 | Nin | if anybody of you might help me, I would be very happy, I need LaTeX to finish my thesis! |
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| 19:45.54 | valdyn | Nin: you should use stable to get work done. particularily as a beginner |
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| 19:46.11 | abrotman | streuner: are you going ? |
| 19:46.19 | streuner | abrotman: nope |
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| 19:46.39 | streuner | azeem and dondelelcaro are they prolly |
| 19:46.42 | Nin | somebody suggested me (erroneously) to use testing/unstable with preferences, to have the newest packets |
| 19:46.45 | Nin | I changed that |
| 19:46.46 | streuner | s/they/there/ |
| 19:46.49 | valdyn | !find tetex-bin-upgrade testing |
| 19:46.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tetex-bin-upgrade' (1): (/usr/share/tex-common/tetex-bin-upgrade) in tex/tex-common. |
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| 19:47.30 | valdyn | Nin: there's probably various ways. I would purge tex-common and reinstall tex completely |
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| 19:47.54 | Nin | valdyn, I did that already |
| 19:47.58 | valdyn | Nin: mind, i have no idea if the tex in testing is actually complete or functional. |
| 19:48.02 | Nin | with apt-get remover --purge tex-common |
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| 19:48.14 | SomethingISODD | hello all i know i have asked a few times, but question i can not get the root password to reset anyideas please |
| 19:48.17 | utopia_ | anybody know a good p2p client for *nix? |
| 19:48.27 | valdyn | Nin: so it appears that tex in testing is broken? |
| 19:48.29 | dondelelcaro | ugh. NO. |
| 19:48.40 | dondelelcaro | Nin: you need to install tex-common, because that's where that file is located. |
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| 19:48.58 | valdyn | uh |
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| 19:49.04 | Nin | dondelelcaro, when I try with tex-common I have problems |
| 19:49.19 | dondelelcaro | there's a reason why texlive-common has a Depends: tex-common |
| 19:49.19 | valdyn | im confused, it would have been reinstalled already unless you used dpkg --purge |
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| 19:49.30 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 19:49.30 | Nin | wov, not now |
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| 19:49.36 | Nin | it worked with tex-common |
| 19:50.19 | dondelelcaro | how you managed to not have tex-common installed, I'm not going to guess, but without it, tex definetly won't work |
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| 19:50.39 | valdyn | Nin: you must have used dpkg --purge ? |
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| 19:50.51 | Nin | well, I have tex-common installed,... |
| 19:51.03 | Nin | ok valdyn I will start from the beginning |
| 19:51.09 | Nin | dpkg --purge tex-common? |
| 19:51.14 | valdyn | Nin: no |
| 19:51.21 | Nin | ups |
| 19:51.24 | valdyn | Nin: aptitude purge tex-common |
| 19:51.28 | Nin | ok |
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| 19:51.57 | valdyn | Nin: dpkg only treats the packages you list, it doesnt act to fix depends |
| 19:52.07 | SomethingISODD | anyideas please |
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| 19:52.12 | valdyn | Nin: aptitude purge tex-common should get red of ALL tex packages |
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| 19:52.23 | Nin | ok valdyn it's working on it... |
| 19:52.27 | Nin | Removing tex-common ... |
| 19:52.28 | Nin | Purging configuration files for tex-common ... |
| 19:52.33 | Nin | uff, it did it... |
| 19:52.34 | w0jtas | hi, is the config-.... from /boot loading during the server boot ?? |
| 19:52.38 | abrotman | !tell SomethingISODD about ifrp |
| 19:52.42 | w0jtas | or only used to compile kernel ?? |
| 19:52.47 | valdyn | Nin: after that: 'aptitude install texlive' i believe |
| 19:52.58 | Nin | well i will try valdyn |
| 19:52.58 | abrotman | w0jtas: used to compile |
| 19:53.05 | w0jtas | abrotman: ok thanx |
| 19:53.18 | valdyn | Nin: that should get a whole bunch of stuff.. |
| 19:53.25 | Nin | yes |
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| 19:53.58 | Nin | here my output->http://rafb.net/p/pLB3es78.html |
| 19:54.08 | Nin | but again these "umet" dependencies... |
| 19:54.16 | SomethingISODD | abrotman when i do the mount the way it says to i always get the help file |
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| 19:54.31 | valdyn | Nin: right, so tex in testing is not complete, as it looks |
| 19:54.34 | Nin | last time was having the problems with these umets |
| 19:54.40 | Nin | cools |
| 19:54.41 | abrotman | SomethingISODD: show us the commands you're actually trying |
| 19:54.51 | abrotman | the mount commands |
| 19:55.00 | SomethingISODD | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 19:55.08 | valdyn | Nin: this is why you want to use stable and not leave it unless you know precisely what you need to do |
| 19:55.21 | abrotman | SomethingISODD: and what's the error ? |
| 19:55.23 | Nin | ok valdyn |
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| 19:55.35 | valdyn | Nin: if reinstall is an option, do that |
| 19:55.40 | SomethingISODD | wait myfault i forgot the space / |
| 19:55.42 | Nin | ups.... |
| 19:55.49 | Nin | I've just compiled a kernel today.... |
| 19:56.10 | valdyn | Nin: how? into a linux-image deb ? |
| 19:56.15 | Nin | no no |
| 19:56.17 | Nin | the old way |
| 19:56.24 | Nin | make && make modules etc... |
| 19:56.37 | Nin | it does not matter, |
| 19:56.48 | Nin | and adding a line in /etc/apt/sources.list of stable? |
| 19:56.54 | Nin | might that be a solution? |
| 19:56.57 | valdyn | Nin: you cant downgrade |
| 19:57.03 | w0jtas | how can i fast compile kernel if i want only change kernel_hz |
| 19:57.05 | valdyn | Nin: its more work than a reinstall |
| 19:57.05 | w0jtas | i'm noob ;) |
| 19:57.09 | Nin | ok |
| 19:57.21 | Nin | well, then I will re-install |
| 19:57.23 | w0jtas | kernel from repo is ok but i need to change kernel_hz |
| 19:57.31 | valdyn | Nin: apt-get install kernel-package |
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| 19:57.48 | valdyn | Nin: then run 'make-kpkg kernel-image' - that should create a deb that you can save and install later |
| 19:57.54 | Nin | ah |
| 19:57.58 | Nin | it does not matter |
| 19:58.07 | Nin | thank you for your excellent help |
| 19:58.11 | Nin | i will reinstall my debian |
| 19:58.28 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 19:58.36 | abrotman | w0jtas: depends on your system |
| 19:58.43 | Nin | cool way to save a kernel, btw |
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| 20:01.02 | Nin | valdyn, where did you see that this package is not available in testing? |
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| 20:01.50 | streuner | pdo |
| 20:02.12 | valdyn | Nin: in your paste |
| 20:02.16 | Nin | :) |
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| 20:03.04 | valdyn | Nin: i didnt see that 'they are not available' i saw that dependencies are not resolvable |
| 20:03.11 | Nin | ok |
| 20:03.25 | Nin | i was just reading about, and I did not find it |
| 20:03.30 | valdyn | prosper: Depends: tetex-extra but it is not installable |
| 20:03.31 | Nin | ok, everything's clear |
| 20:03.46 | abrotman | w0jtas`: please don't msg me .. talk in the channel |
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| 20:04.08 | valdyn | Nin: maybe this can be fixed in testing, maybe not. It'l be work and the outcome wont guarantee you a working tex |
| 20:04.10 | abrotman | w0jtas`: and i don't really play games .. |
| 20:04.17 | valdyn | Nin: since you need to get work done -> stable |
| 20:05.01 | abrotman | w0jtas`: from what i understand. . it's just one setting to change |
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| 20:05.17 | Nin | ok |
| 20:05.29 | Nin | although stable is very old sometimes... |
| 20:05.46 | valdyn | Nin: you need tex, thats VERY old too |
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| 20:05.57 | n2c | Hi there. Question: can I (how) prepare a HD to boot into etch-netinstall from a running system (notebook) without CD-burner? |
| 20:05.57 | Nin | and texlive? |
| 20:06.14 | valdyn | Nin: that's just a tex distro |
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| 20:06.24 | w0jtas` | abrotman: yes |
| 20:06.30 | valdyn | Nin: made of OLD software.. |
| 20:06.36 | w0jtas` | abrotman: but what should i do to compile with this one small change ;) |
| 20:06.39 | Nin | :) ok thanks |
| 20:06.41 | abrotman | !kp |
| 20:06.41 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 20:06.53 | valdyn | !info texlive etch |
| 20:06.56 | streuner | n2c: /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:06.58 | dpkg | texlive: (TeX Live: A decent selection of the TeX Live packages), section tex, is optional. Version: 2005.dfsg.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
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| 20:07.53 | n2c | streuner, checking, thx |
| 20:08.48 | n2c | streuner, doesnt tell how just THAT it can be done |
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| 20:09.15 | streuner | hd-install sounds what you need |
| 20:09.47 | streuner | you need a working kernel and a supported NIC to install, that's basically all.. |
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| 20:10.56 | n2c | streuner, NIC? hm, ok I will try |
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| 20:12.54 | streuner | n2c: why not just using extern CDROM? |
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| 20:13.27 | n2c | streuner, can burn CD here |
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| 20:14.12 | Heston | where can I find out exactly what's included in the install sets like "Desktop", "Laptop" or "WebServer" |
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| 20:15.21 | abrotman | Heston: man tasksel |
| 20:15.26 | stew | Heston: /usr/share/tasksel |
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| 20:17.41 | ghaleb | hi all, I'm looking for a free Dictionary english to arabic , is there any ? |
| 20:18.01 | pramz | ghaleb, not that I know of |
| 20:18.12 | pramz | mafi maloom |
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| 20:19.03 | ghaleb | pramz, what mafi maloon ? |
| 20:19.13 | pramz | i.e dunno :) |
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| 20:19.41 | ghaleb | pramz, :) |
| 20:19.52 | ghaleb | pramz, what should I look for ? |
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| 20:20.44 | Heston | stew, thank you |
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| 20:21.43 | desktux | I just tried to install icedove-traybiff in pure Etch. It depends on icedove (< 1.5.0.10.dfsg.0) but the latest security update of icedove is 1.5.0.12.dfsg1-0etch1. Anybody knows how to solve that or why that is? |
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| 20:24.12 | valdyn | !info icedove-traydiff etch |
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| 20:24.35 | valdyn | 22:24 <dpkg> Package 'icedove-traydiff' does not exist. |
| 20:24.40 | valdyn | ops |
| 20:25.24 | desktux | valdyn: I really meant icedove-tray*b*iff |
| 20:25.45 | valdyn | yea |
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| 20:25.55 | valdyn | !depends icedove-traybiff etch |
| 20:25.57 | dpkg | icedove-traybiff: depends on icedove (>= 1.5.0.10.dfsg), icedove (<< 1.5.0.10.dfsg.0), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.8), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1 |
| 20:26.02 | valdyn | i see a >= |
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| 20:26.08 | desktux | Strange |
| 20:26.37 | desktux | I just ran an update, no change though |
| 20:27.06 | valdyn | you are right, theres icedove (<< 1.5.0.10.dfsg.0) too |
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| 20:28.17 | valdyn | i dont see how that security update can be ok |
| 20:28.44 | valdyn | unless uh, icedeve-traybiff alway was broken in ethc? |
| 20:28.56 | desktux | I don't know, never used it before |
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| 20:30.47 | valdyn | desktux: its fixed, but the new package isnt uploaded yet |
| 20:31.06 | valdyn | desktux: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=428779 |
| 20:31.09 | desktux | valdyn: Great, thanks a million! |
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| 20:32.23 | mark_s | hi all, i want to show my kids at school how to boot a windows pc from a live cd and check it for viruses. does this make sence and is ther a special live-cd out there to use and which free virus programm does a good job? |
| 20:32.32 | desktux | I should have read the bug-reports myself though :/ |
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| 20:36.07 | desktux | mark_s: You have T-Online, so you are from Germany I guess. You could try Knoppicillin from the computer magazine c't. |
| 20:36.14 | desktux | It comes with 4 virus scanners |
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| 20:37.04 | boodie | Hi |
| 20:38.03 | mark_s | desktux: you are right. is there all included and can I mount ntfs partitions for writing? |
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| 20:38.47 | desktux | mark_s: yes, you can. It's Knoppix based, writes on NTFS and updates itself on boot (if you have an active internet connection). |
| 20:39.28 | mark_s | desktux: that sounds great. thank you for the hint |
| 20:39.47 | SomethingISODD | with debian is there any gui to setup the network |
| 20:40.00 | rahul | a gui to do sys admin tasks?!?!?! |
| 20:40.45 | rahul | SomethingISODD: what kind of crazy network do you have that you need more than 10 things in your network config? |
| 20:40.48 | SomethingISODD | i wanted to be lazy |
| 20:40.52 | dkr | SomethingISODD: gnome has a network config thingy |
| 20:40.54 | rahul | guis are not for the lazy |
| 20:40.59 | rahul | guis are more work |
| 20:41.29 | n2c | I still find no proper way to set up a HD to boot a netinstall-etch-installer - can anyone please give me a hint? |
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| 20:41.37 | dkr | SomethingISODD: desktop...administration...networking |
| 20:41.38 | rahul | they help with abstraction, tho... so for more complex things, they can help make enormous amounts of work into just a lot of work |
| 20:41.49 | boodie | consoles are 4 the acknowleged lazy |
| 20:41.53 | rahul | dkr: and you expect that to work on debian? |
| 20:42.07 | dkr | rahul: yes, gnoem is the default gui... |
| 20:42.11 | SomethingISODD | dkr thanks |
| 20:42.14 | rahul | dkr: that is nonsense |
| 20:42.25 | rahul | the default gui is what you install. |
| 20:42.54 | dkr | well, it appears my assumption was correct, because he didn't dispute it, :) |
| 20:43.12 | rahul | the default gui on my debian install was sawfish |
| 20:43.15 | boodie | n2c: I think you have to make yourself a cd of debian etch netinstall and boot from CD |
| 20:43.40 | rahul | dkr: he's ASKING... why would he say you're wrong when he doesn't know himself? |
| 20:44.05 | rahul | dkr: maybe you're not used to helping people who can actually deal with being helped :) |
| 20:44.06 | n2c | boodie, would work but I cant burn CDs here |
| 20:44.06 | dkr | rahul: well, he would say something like, I don't see that option on my menus |
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| 20:44.17 | rahul | dkr: the fact that the option exists doesn't mean that it works |
| 20:44.23 | n2c | boodie, all I have is a running etch and inetaccess |
| 20:44.35 | SomethingISODD | guys didnt mean to start a debat :-) |
| 20:44.46 | dkr | rahul: then he'll tell us if it doesn't work, sheesh, go take some chill pills. :) |
| 20:44.48 | SomethingISODD | i just wanted to be lazy but i cant see that happening as i have no network gui tools. |
| 20:45.01 | boodie | Aha, then install the packages you want with apt |
| 20:45.03 | jakub_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJwbpV94E1s |
| 20:45.18 | rahul | SomethingISODD: if you wanted to be lazy, you'd just put the 3 lines of config you need in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:45.38 | rahul | instead you're trying to fire up some gui and need to learn how it works and how it affects the debian config system, if at all... |
| 20:45.41 | SomethingISODD | its ok i am reading the man page for route, i just cant remember the command to add the gateway |
| 20:45.46 | SomethingISODD | otherwise i have the network done |
| 20:45.46 | rahul | so you might need to disable the debian config system |
| 20:45.49 | rahul | uh |
| 20:45.53 | dkr | dpkg -S `which network-admin` |
| 20:45.54 | dkr | gnome-system-tools: /usr/bin/network-admin |
| 20:45.54 | dpkg | There is no record of a `which network-admin` package |
| 20:45.54 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.55 | rahul | SomethingISODD: you don't need any of that |
| 20:46.12 | rahul | wols_: oh? who hacked that in? debian people or gnome people? |
| 20:46.23 | wols_ | rahul: most probably ubuntu people |
| 20:46.25 | rahul | or someone who straddles the fence, as it were |
| 20:46.27 | rahul | hehe |
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| 20:46.42 | rahul | so someone who straddles fenceposts :) |
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| 20:46.54 | `` | How can I remove LILO from my MBR? I'm trying to install grub but lilo keeps taking over. |
| 20:47.07 | rahul | 'taking over"? |
| 20:47.07 | desktux | Isn't gvim a network configuration GUI? |
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| 20:47.12 | wols_ | that nick is about the worst EVER |
| 20:47.13 | n2c | boodie, no, I want to install new on a 2nd HD. |
| 20:47.17 | rahul | desktux: pretty much |
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| 20:47.28 | rahul | wols_: what about `',! ? |
| 20:47.46 | wols_ | rahul: that one's better since I can see it. his is almost inivisble |
| 20:47.47 | rahul | aww, ' terminates it |
| 20:47.50 | rahul | heh |
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| 20:48.08 | StephenL | I don't know how my nick got changed to that...weird. |
| 20:48.19 | smacnay | Holy unmet dependencies, Batman!! Installing Lyx will require taking out tetex-base and tetex-bin. I had better hold off, Commissioner! |
| 20:48.19 | wols_ | StephenL: you cannot remove a bootloader.all you can do is overwrite it with another one |
| 20:48.23 | wols_ | how do you install grub? |
| 20:48.38 | rahul | smacnay: tetex is abandoned |
| 20:48.49 | rahul | heh |
| 20:48.59 | smacnay | rahul: Aaaaarggghhh? Really? |
| 20:49.09 | rahul | yeah.. there's some replacement |
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| 20:49.27 | rahul | texlive |
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| 20:49.30 | StephenL | wols_: first I did apt-get install grub, then grub-install /dev/sda, but it gives me this error: "/dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." |
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| 20:49.33 | smacnay | rahul: texlive? |
| 20:49.38 | Nin | well valdyn going to install thak you very much for your nice help!!! |
| 20:49.38 | rahul | yes |
| 20:49.45 | \amethyst | rahul: I was trying to do `[,amethyst] but it didn't like it |
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| 20:50.08 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 20:50.08 | rahul | hehe |
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| 20:50.17 | cilugnedon | Hello @all. I'm looking for a software where I can make a picture show from my photos as mpg. Can anybody recommend something? |
| 20:50.44 | smacnay | rahul: Then, Robin, we must donne our swimming trunks and take the plunge! Thanks for the info. |
| 20:50.57 | Strogg | Is there anyway to find out if your motherboard will support temperature reporting by ACPI? |
| 20:51.23 | Strogg | my /proc/apci/thermal_zone is empty of entries.. any ideas? |
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| 20:51.42 | amphi | cilugnedon: you can use mencoder, but it's perhaps not ideal |
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| 20:52.05 | StephenL | update-grub seems to work fine, but grub-install gives that error |
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| 20:53.27 | cilugnedon | amphi, Well, I thought about something like f-spot's picture show and saving it as mpg because the presentation system will certainly not be linux at all. |
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| 20:53.54 | g00se | Just installing pre-packaged kernel for Etch, having had a ghost dchroot context into which i'm putting it. Do i need an initrd? |
| 20:54.21 | azeem | g00se: the pre-packaged kernel will provide an initrd, I believe |
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| 20:54.24 | amphi | cilugnedon: why not just use whatever slide show sw is available on the presentation machine? |
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| 20:55.21 | cilugnedon | amphi, I just know that there will be a software playing mpg. |
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| 20:56.02 | rahul | cilugnedon: you can use mencoder with a REALLY low framerate and it can encode a dir full of frames |
| 20:56.03 | g00se | azeem: to be precise it was aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 Are you saying that an initrd is somehow brought along too |
| 20:56.13 | rahul | cilugnedon: but that would be silly... |
| 20:56.21 | azeem | g00se: did you check that there is none? |
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| 20:56.34 | smacnay | rahul: is there an elegant way to upgrade to tetex-live? Just 'aptitude install tetexlive'? |
| 20:56.36 | rahul | provide or build an initrd? |
| 20:56.49 | g00se | Not yet. Could always put it in later though |
| 20:57.03 | rahul | smacnay: dunno... I got upgraded automagically |
| 20:57.04 | cilugnedon | amphi, and I wanted to know it sometime anyway. This time I'm looking for a method doing it, most likely with some blend effects. |
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| 20:57.37 | cilugnedon | rahul, exactly. I want to do something "really cool" :-) |
| 20:58.03 | rahul | make a flash app or something, heh |
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| 21:01.31 | StephenL | Anyone know of a guide for replacing lilo with grub? |
| 21:02.03 | stew | StephenL: /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
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| 21:03.06 | mick_home | anyone know of a shell that has an "undo" feature? |
| 21:03.23 | mick_home | i just accidently messed up a regex w/ rm :-( |
| 21:03.25 | azeem | mick_home: what kind of "undo" are you looking for? |
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| 21:03.31 | NYCgirl | anyone here from NYC? :) |
| 21:03.36 | mick_home | undelete |
| 21:03.40 | mick_home | :-P |
| 21:03.41 | cilugnedon | rahul, I've seen a possibility in digikam to create an mpeg slide show. But it needs mjpegtools and there's no package in debian for it. |
| 21:03.45 | azeem | mick_home: you should start looking for a file system with "undo" then |
| 21:03.50 | mick_home | since i know it isn't in bash |
| 21:04.02 | mick_home | azeem: like ext3cow |
| 21:04.06 | zinx | mjpegtools was removed? o_O |
| 21:04.21 | stew | mick_home: perhaps look at libtrash |
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| 21:06.34 | tobi1canobe | hello |
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| 21:07.38 | tobi1canobe | I have a xen etch vm running on an etch host. Things work ok except for some locale errors of some programs. |
| 21:07.54 | tobi1canobe | What package do I need to install on the guest to fix this? |
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| 21:10.24 | tobi1canobe | Actual errors from perl are here http://rafb.net/p/wWjrkl30.html |
| 21:10.32 | xlotlu | what might be the reason why lilo takes ages to load the kernel? |
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| 21:11.57 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: if it's taken ages, someting is most likely wrong. uncompressing should be almost so fast you can't see it, unless your machine is dog slow. |
| 21:12.40 | xlotlu | dondelelcaro: i know something is most likely wrong. thus i'm asking what might be wrong.. |
| 21:13.04 | tobi1canobe | xlotlu, maybe something wrong with the disks? |
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| 21:13.43 | xlotlu | tobi1canobe: after it boots everything is fine... |
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| 21:14.21 | tobi1canobe | xlotlu, maybe the bios hasn't switched on dma yet and is using some crappy pio mode? |
| 21:14.47 | stew | NYCgirl: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 21:17.04 | chuck | hi, i installed openssl with apt, but when i tried the configure script for libssh2, it exited saying it couldn't find openssl's evp.h or hmac.h file |
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| 21:17.11 | ozzilee | When installing debian, is there a way I can skip creating another user besides root, without using expert mode? |
| 21:17.12 | chuck | does anyone know where those files would be? |
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| 21:17.48 | abrotman | chuck: did you install the ssl dev package ? |
| 21:17.52 | stew | chuck: install libssl-dev ( and /msg dpkg apt-file ) |
| 21:17.53 | sepski | ozzilee, you can preseed away that question i belive |
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| 21:18.54 | sepski | ozzilee, passwd/make-user boolean false i think |
| 21:19.12 | g00se | If i'm building up Etch on a chroot, prior to letting it take over, how do i get it to create /proc and /dev? |
| 21:19.15 | sepski | should be doable in all the preseed options, including boot argument |
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| 21:19.36 | ozzilee | sepski: Interesting, I'll google it. Thanks. |
| 21:20.02 | stew | g00se: debootstrap should populate /dev for you. for /proc, you should be adding it to /etc/fstab and running "mount proc" |
| 21:20.14 | sepski | ozzilee, nothing to google about. preseeding is described in the install manual |
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| 21:20.58 | g00se | stew: yes - there's stuff in /dev /etc/fstab doesn't exist yet |
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| 21:21.08 | ozzilee | sepski, you mean the "press F1 for help" menu at the boot prompt? |
| 21:21.08 | stew | g00se: yes, you have to create it |
| 21:21.13 | sepski | !install manual |
| 21:21.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, install guide is The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual. For ETCH See http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html . Also ask me about IG </msg dpkg IG> |
| 21:21.20 | sepski | that one |
| 21:21.49 | g00se | stew: Ugh. That sounds error prone |
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| 21:22.32 | sepski | g00se, luckily your allowed to rerun vi $CHROOT/etc/fstab as many times as you need to get it right :) |
| 21:23.12 | ozzilee | sepski: ok, thanks. |
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| 21:23.42 | g00se | ;-) |
| 21:23.50 | tobi1canobe | So no takers for my perl locale errors? http://rafb.net/p/wWjrkl30.html |
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| 21:26.14 | wols_ | !tell tobi1canobe about locales |
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| 21:27.03 | tobi1canobe | wols_, thanks does that work for etch as well? |
| 21:27.18 | wols_ | yes |
| 21:28.13 | ehc | is there a way I can do a cat filename and send the output to klipper or just the next I paste it will be there? |
| 21:28.18 | tobi1canobe | wols_, one day I need to read the dpkg manual |
| 21:28.46 | dkr | oh yeah, been meanign to fix that, but just ignore it every time I apt-get something. was happenin since sarge->etch upgrade |
| 21:28.52 | karsten | ehc: aptitude install xclip |
| 21:30.17 | tobi1canobe | wols_, it worked. thanks again |
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| 21:31.37 | arencinosa | anyone with layer7 suggestions? |
| 21:31.44 | arencinosa | user space or kernel mode? |
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| 21:35.05 | smacnay | Does lyx work with texlive in testing? |
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| 21:35.23 | explody | arencinosa: eh? |
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| 21:36.28 | felipernb | have anybody hear had problems installing libapache2-mod-python? |
| 21:36.31 | felipernb | *here |
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| 21:37.29 | arencinosa | explody: I am trying to decide between versions of layer 7 to use |
| 21:37.51 | arencinosa | explody: layer7, the netfilter module |
| 21:38.22 | explody | ah |
| 21:38.29 | wols_ | arencinosa: l7-filter |
| 21:38.42 | arencinosa | wols_: yes, l7-filter |
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| 21:39.06 | ryancr | 50gig drive, mainly used as an email server, but will have apache on it for a few things. whats the best partition layout, I can not decide to seperate them all or just home |
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| 21:39.10 | arencinosa | wols_, explody: any help on this? |
| 21:39.29 | wols_ | since you ahven't posed a sensible question yet: not really |
| 21:39.42 | explody | it seems subjective to me |
| 21:39.56 | explody | based on this: http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/README, you'd just have to choose for yourself.... |
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| 21:40.21 | arencinosa | explody: wols_: ok, sorry, let me ask again |
| 21:41.03 | fasta | Is there a PostScript viewer that can zoom > 80 < 200x ? |
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| 21:41.20 | arencinosa | wols_: explody: did any of you work with l7-filter? which version? any issues? |
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| 21:41.44 | felipernb | i tried to install the libapache2-mod-python and had problems, then i tried to remove the package, and got the same problem, and then i tried to run dpkg-reconfigure and got the message that the package is broken or not completely installed. the error i got when installing was: http://pastebin.com/931660 |
| 21:41.48 | explody | arencinosa: nope, never used it |
| 21:41.51 | felipernb | any hints? |
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| 21:42.37 | arencinosa | felipernb: did you try 'apt-get -f install'? |
| 21:43.01 | Strogg | Is there anyway to tell which motherboards support ACPI temperature reporting? |
| 21:43.02 | wols_ | arencinosa: the versions are kernel dependent since they are kernel patches... |
| 21:43.26 | arencinosa | wols_: yes, you are right |
| 21:43.57 | felipernb | arencinosa yes, same problem |
| 21:44.00 | euthyrox_lover | apt-get sux ;> |
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| 21:44.36 | arencinosa | wols_: but I need to decide between one of those versions to base my shaper |
| 21:44.39 | felipernb | im not very experienced with apt... i'm a gentoo user, so i'm used to run emerge instead :) |
| 21:45.51 | Strogg | felipernb: I believe you can dpkg -r the package and then apt-get -f install to get apt to fix itself... then install your package from apt instead of doing it with dpkg |
| 21:45.55 | arencinosa | wols_: I am developing my own shaper and I have a set of filters based on l7-filter |
| 21:46.21 | arencinosa | wols_: but I want to have less dependencies |
| 21:46.41 | felipernb | Strogg thanks, ill try |
| 21:46.47 | euthyrox_lover | Strogg do you know apt-get dont remember dependents that you install ? |
| 21:46.59 | arencinosa | wols_: so I guess that user space version of l7-filter will be better than kernel one |
| 21:47.08 | wols_ | arencinosa: less dependencies than what? |
| 21:47.09 | euthyrox_lover | Strogg, aptitude remember, but apt-get not |
| 21:47.22 | Strogg | euthyrox_lover: sure.. but I still prefer apt-* |
| 21:47.23 | arencinosa | wols_: becauseof recompiling the kernel issue |
| 21:47.36 | felipernb | Strogg i have the same problem running dpkg -r |
| 21:47.42 | euthyrox_lover | Strogg, yes? why? I was wondering |
| 21:47.47 | wols_ | hmm back when I tried it it was kernel only |
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| 21:47.58 | felipernb | a python error, i pasted it here: http://pastebin.com/931660 |
| 21:48.16 | Strogg | euthyrox_lover: the interface is more intuitive, and it's what I'm familiar with.. I haven't had a reason to change to aptitude |
| 21:48.17 | xlotlu | whoa.. EBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage |
| 21:48.24 | Strogg | felipernb: lemme test something |
| 21:48.58 | euthyrox_lover | Strogg, are you using gnome? |
| 21:49.04 | arencinosa | wols_: l7-filter has two versions, right? |
| 21:49.15 | Strogg | euthyrox_lover: hehe no |
| 21:49.16 | wols_ | now it does |
| 21:49.38 | arencinosa | wols_: so, you have never seen this before? |
| 21:49.53 | euthyrox_lover | Strogg try install gnome, using apt-get, In your menu you will see list of all gnome programs... try to remove them using apt-get :) |
| 21:50.19 | Strogg | euthyrox_lover: no thanks.. I don't want gnome on my system |
| 21:50.42 | euthyrox_lover | Strogg I see, it is just a test... if you have a time, you can try it |
| 21:51.27 | wols_ | arencinosa: I used the kernel vesion since only that existed |
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| 21:51.37 | Strogg | it's a rather silly test. "install gnome which I don't want to try to remove a bunch of stuff that aren't installed from a menu I don't have" |
| 21:51.49 | wols_ | arencinosa: if you look, the userspace vresion is rather young |
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| 21:52.00 | arencinosa | wols_: yes, I know |
| 21:52.21 | arencinosa | wols_: I was hoping someone here had use it |
| 21:53.01 | Strogg | felipernb: hrmm I can't help you. running dpkg -r fixed it for me |
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| 21:53.43 | wols_ | arencinosa: I wouldn't use it probably. too immature |
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| 21:53.48 | wols_ | but better ask on the l7 ML |
| 21:53.56 | wols_ | more informed opinions |
| 21:54.01 | arencinosa | l7 ML? |
| 21:54.05 | arencinosa | wols_: what is that? |
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| 21:54.21 | arencinosa | wols_: oh!, mailing list, rigth? |
| 21:54.29 | Strogg | felipernb: do you have python installed? |
| 21:54.40 | arencinosa | wols_: ok, thanks |
| 21:54.40 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:05.16 | felipernb | Strogg sorry for the delay, yes, i have python installed and its exactly on that path it looks for |
| 22:05.28 | felipernb | in /usr/bin/python |
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| 22:05.44 | Strogg | felipernb: then I don't know.. sorry |
| 22:05.52 | felipernb | Strogg no problem |
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| 22:06.02 | felipernb | ill install it manually |
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| 22:06.10 | felipernb | with tarball |
| 22:06.34 | g00se | is (hd1,0) the same as (hd1) in grubspeak? |
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| 22:07.33 | jhasse | dpkg-checkbuilddeps checks if some build-dep is missing. How can i let it install all missing ones? (not in a repository) |
| 22:07.34 | Gnurdux | g00se, i think that (hd1,0) is like /dev/hdb1 and (hd1) is like /dev/hdb |
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| 22:08.42 | g00se | AFAIK (hd1) refers to the MBR, so they're not the same in fact |
| 22:08.47 | saint-takeshi | can anyone tell me how to check which version of X i'm using? |
| 22:09.24 | amphi | saint-takeshi: X -version |
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| 22:10.32 | saint-takeshi | why's it version 1.3? shouldn't it be 7.x? |
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| 22:11.17 | liable | g00se: correct |
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| 22:12.05 | g00se | Looks like it's shoved itself in there instead of (hd1) |
| 22:14.36 | saint-takeshi | how do i upgrade X? aptitude install xserver-xorg does nothing |
| 22:17.24 | saint-takeshi | waity, synaptic is reporting installed version to be 1:7.2-3 |
| 22:17.51 | saint-takeshi | what have i done wrong? |
| 22:18.17 | stew | saint-takeshi: it doesn't appear you have done anything wrong |
| 22:18.54 | stew | saint-takeshi: the X in xorg 7.2 reports itself as version 1.3.0, this is expected and not a sign that anything is wrong |
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| 22:19.46 | saint-takeshi | oh, ok |
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| 22:26.53 | asarch | What the hell means "DVD-R Sequential (appendable)" and why I cannot write my DVD ISO? |
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| 22:32.01 | ndazza | hi! I'm having trouble finding etch amd64 mirrors in oceania (or anywhere for that matter). Anyone know where they're hiding? |
| 22:34.24 | Azar | ndazza: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:34.31 | arencinosa | quit |
| 22:35.38 | ndazza | Azar: ah thanks |
| 22:35.44 | Azar | errr... ndazza http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ |
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| 22:36.38 | ndazza | ohhh right |
| 22:36.58 | ndazza | i'm about to upgrade from sarge amd64 to etch, is that likely to break? is the sarge amd64 unofficial? |
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| 22:39.16 | stew | ndazza: the sarge amd64 was unofficial, but supported just the same. the upgrade shouldn't break, but it is recommended that you follow the upgrade procedure in the release notes: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 22:40.35 | ndazza | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.41 | ndazza | ah damn |
| 22:40.50 | ndazza | thanks stew |
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| 22:43.48 | Iradigalesc | Why Iceweasel running in KDE has some visual problems in Debian etch? |
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| 22:44.16 | Ronin | Iradigalesc: it doesnt for me, please be more specific |
| 22:45.13 | Iradigalesc | When I visit some pages, like Wikipedia, the leters and all the content is shown very small. With Kubuntu oit dosn't happens |
| 22:45.57 | N1ckR | Iradigalesc, have you install the mscore fonts ? |
| 22:46.08 | Iradigalesc | yes |
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| 22:46.34 | N1ckR | What are your font sizes set to ? |
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| 22:47.02 | Iradigalesc | in Iceweasel? |
| 22:47.05 | N1ckR | mines set to default 16 and min 12. |
| 22:47.07 | Iradigalesc | or in KDE? |
| 22:47.10 | N1ckR | Yes, in Iceweasel |
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| 22:47.55 | Iradigalesc | 16/12, like you |
| 22:48.06 | N1ckR | sorry proportional is 16 and mono space is 12 |
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| 22:48.18 | N1ckR | Hmm... |
| 22:48.46 | N1ckR | Check your text size is set to default ... |
| 22:48.48 | Iradigalesc | if I use GNOME with the same configuration, I see it well, but if I use KDE don't |
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| 22:49.03 | N1ckR | off the view menu |
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| 22:49.39 | N1ckR | I wonder if its a dpi setting issue (maybe iceweasel misreading it). |
| 22:50.00 | N1ckR | Not too clued up that that stuff |
| 22:50.07 | Ronin | Iradigalesc: on debian do they look ok on a different browser? say galeon if its installed? |
| 22:50.23 | Ronin | ahh |
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| 22:50.55 | Iradigalesc | in Konqueror it looks well. I didn't try any other browser |
| 22:51.34 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 22:57.58 | fasta | Is there any tool to convert ps files to e.g. svg? |
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| 22:58.38 | fasta | Reason for question, is that all ps and all pdf viewers suck at this point, unfortunately. |
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| 22:59.08 | m3thos | how do I configure eth0 with two IP addresses ? |
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| 22:59.18 | m3thos | permanently. |
| 22:59.54 | petemc | same as you would for one |
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| 23:01.05 | stew | m3thos: there are two ways, one is to add an eth0:1 to /etc/network/interfaces, which will create another virtual interface on the same card, the other is to add an 'up' line which runs 'ip addr add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0' which adds a second ip to the same interface, 'man interfaces' for more info |
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| 23:01.43 | m3thos | stew: thank you |
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| 23:02.03 | wwallace | how do i run? mp4-create-high-allinone.sh |
| 23:02.04 | wwallace | ? |
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| 23:03.32 | Iradigalesc | is it very difficult to configure a wpa network with a static IP (not using network-manager)? |
| 23:04.27 | Iradigalesc | wwallace: You should write in a terminal chmod +x *.sh |
| 23:04.38 | wwallace | ok thanks |
| 23:04.41 | fasta | Ok, I answered my own question. The Gimp can show large ps files. |
| 23:04.43 | wwallace | as root? |
| 23:04.47 | m3thos | wwallace: or do: sh "filename.sh" |
| 23:04.48 | fasta | It's dog slow, but it works. |
| 23:04.59 | Iradigalesc | wwallace not necessary |
| 23:05.04 | gpm | fasta: gv can't handle em? |
| 23:05.07 | wwallace | ok |
| 23:05.09 | fasta | gpm: no |
| 23:05.12 | gpm | bummer |
| 23:05.19 | fasta | gpm: well, it can, but it cannot zoom |
| 23:05.29 | gpm | oh? i always thought it could |
| 23:05.29 | fasta | gpm: In the GUI I can only go to 10x |
| 23:05.34 | gpm | oh i see |
| 23:05.45 | fasta | gpm: when I use the command line, I just get a blank screen. |
| 23:06.01 | fasta | gpm: it's just buggy software, like almost everything else. |
| 23:06.14 | gpm | what is? |
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| 23:06.20 | fasta | gpm: gv |
| 23:06.24 | fasta | gpm: kghostview |
| 23:06.29 | fasta | gpm: kpfd |
| 23:06.33 | Iradigalesc | wwallace Or if you are using a desktop envoirment, you can activate, at the propieties, the option executable |
| 23:06.35 | fasta | gpm: kpdf* |
| 23:06.42 | fasta | gpm: acroread |
| 23:06.45 | gpm | i guess, but are ps files really supposed to be that big? |
| 23:06.47 | fasta | gpm: do I need to continue? |
| 23:06.51 | gpm | please don't |
| 23:06.56 | fasta | gpm: I thought so |
| 23:06.58 | wwallace | ok thank you |
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| 23:07.23 | lymeca | How do I disable fscking ext3 altogether? I don't want it to EVER autocheck my ext3 partitions without me manually running fsck. |
| 23:07.31 | gpm | man tune2fs |
| 23:07.42 | fasta | gpm: I haven't read the specification, but I don't think it's odd to expect to be able to zoom to infinity. |
| 23:07.53 | fasta | gpm: it's a _vector_ based format |
| 23:08.08 | gpm | well, software does have limitations |
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| 23:09.00 | fasta | gpm: good software doesn't, but writing good software in C is next to impossible, except for simple programs, like cat. |
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| 23:09.12 | gpm | so file a wishlist bug |
| 23:09.27 | fasta | gpm: it will probably be ignored, but ok. |
| 23:09.41 | gpm | wow, someone's jaded |
| 23:10.14 | solemnwarning | Is the correct command to zero a floppy `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/fd0 bs=1k count=1440`? |
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| 23:10.55 | stew | solemnwarning: yeah, or just 'cp /dev/zero /dev/fd0' |
| 23:11.01 | lymeca | tune2fs -c 0 ? |
| 23:11.12 | gpm | think so |
| 23:11.19 | stew | solemnwarning: if you are writing to an entire device, you don't have to give it a count, its going to do the entire device by default |
| 23:11.24 | lymeca | tune2fs -c 0 /dev/sda1 |
| 23:11.26 | solemnwarning | ok, thanks |
| 23:11.45 | lymeca | tune2fs -c 0 /dev/sda2 etc. |
| 23:11.48 | lymeca | That right? |
| 23:12.04 | gpm | think so |
| 23:12.11 | streuner | !ext2->ext3 |
| 23:12.11 | dpkg | To upgrade an ext2 partition to ext3 simply involves adding a journal. 'tune2fs -j /dev/hda1' (where hda1 is the partition you want to change to ext3). Don't forget to change /etc/fstab to specify ext3 for the partition. Be sure to verify that your kernel has ext3 support (cat /proc/filesystems) |
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| 23:12.25 | gpm | streuner: he's trying to avoid the automatic fscks |
| 23:12.33 | lymeca | streuner: Is that in response to me? That's not what I want. |
| 23:12.38 | streuner | ok |
| 23:12.47 | unlink | what exactly is the password you give certtool --password used for? i made a private key with it, and when i signed with the private key, it didn't prompt for a password. |
| 23:12.47 | lymeca | man tune2fs will tell you with the -c switch does. |
| 23:13.03 | unlink | i'm just a little bit worried ;-) |
| 23:14.42 | lymeca | gpm: tune2fs isn't in Debian? |
| 23:14.57 | unlink | it is |
| 23:14.59 | lymeca | Oh wait... |
| 23:15.04 | unlink | /sbin/tune2fs |
| 23:15.05 | lymeca | Nevermind, I have to be root =/ |
| 23:15.13 | lymeca | But still: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&keywords=tune2fs&sourceid=mozilla-search |
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| 23:15.38 | gpm | i dunno, dpkg -L e2fsprogs |
| 23:15.45 | unlink | is there anybody i can yell at about gnutls? |
| 23:15.49 | lymeca | Doesn't search descriptions I guess. |
| 23:16.12 | streuner | !find tune2fs |
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| 23:16.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tune2fs' (3): (/sbin/tune2fs) in admin/e2fsprogs ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.3.4/functions/Completion/Linux/_tune2fs) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.4-dev-0/functions/Completion/Linux/_tune2fs) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 23:16.19 | gpm | !pdo |
| 23:16.20 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 23:17.05 | fasta | gpm: ok, I added it to the wish list. |
| 23:17.20 | gpm | there's a good community member! |
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| 23:17.39 | notme | ./server 208.185.81.231 OR! ./server irc.talkingirc.net |
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| 23:17.49 | gpm | ugh |
| 23:17.56 | streuner | don't spam us please! :-) |
| 23:18.18 | gpm | i think he was just dumB |
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| 23:18.23 | SomethingISODD | hello all newbie question what file controls the ip address thats set for the network? |
| 23:18.32 | gpm | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:18.42 | SomethingISODD | thanks gpm |
| 23:19.00 | streuner | gpm: "OR!" seems to be relevant... |
| 23:19.12 | gpm | well he's gone anyway |
| 23:20.47 | glasserc | Why was elm dropped from Debian? I can't find anything on it on Google. |
| 23:20.53 | fasta | gpm: ok, I found a program that actually does what it promises :) |
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| 23:21.07 | gpm | which? |
| 23:21.22 | fasta | gpm: pstoedit |
| 23:21.32 | fasta | gpm: I converted it to svg and then used inkscape |
| 23:21.49 | gpm | probably a good idea |
| 23:21.53 | Iradigalesc | well, I leave |
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| 23:22.04 | fixed_exe | hello |
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| 23:22.29 | fixed_exe | im trying to generate an own package from a tarball |
| 23:22.31 | SomethingISODD | gpm one more question what is the master file that control the dns servers? |
| 23:22.52 | gpm | uh, /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 23:22.56 | SomethingISODD | thats it |
| 23:22.57 | SomethingISODD | ? |
| 23:23.13 | gpm | which dns servers? |
| 23:23.14 | fixed_exe | could somebody tell me where i can tell which files are to copy e.g. /etc/ |
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| 23:23.31 | SomethingISODD | the reason i ask i keep getting unknow host |
| 23:24.00 | gpm | what's your setup? |
| 23:24.07 | SomethingISODD | using vnc |
| 23:24.12 | SomethingISODD | sorry vmplayer |
| 23:24.25 | gpm | i don't know about either of those :( |
| 23:24.57 | SomethingISODD | what i dont understand is why it wont allow me to connect it should be |
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| 23:25.10 | gpm | connect to what? |
| 23:26.02 | fasta | I think I mount one of my file systems incorrectly, since my logs are full of: EXT3-fs warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended |
| 23:26.03 | SomethingISODD | the internet sorry. |
| 23:26.36 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I enable the 3D effects in my desktop environment? |
| 23:26.59 | fasta | gonzaloaf: that is a very vague question |
| 23:27.34 | gonzaloaf | fasta, I want to use the xgl effects, I use gnome + metacity |
| 23:27.41 | gpm | iono, those are the only files i've messed with |
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| 23:27.51 | techbee2 | gonzaloaf:dpkg:!compiz |
| 23:27.58 | solemnwarning | gonzaloaf: You need a preist, a bible and a holy water firehose |
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| 23:28.57 | streuner | haleluja |
| 23:29.01 | fasta | gonzaloaf: you don't want to install that "software". |
| 23:29.18 | gonzaloaf | can somebody help me to configure aiglx? |
| 23:29.19 | fasta | gonzaloaf: it's the biggest crap since the word exists |
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| 23:29.32 | gonzaloaf | fasta, what about aiglx? |
| 23:29.57 | fasta | gonzaloaf: it's all crap, but that's my opinion, you might find some zealot, who thinks it's great. |
| 23:30.07 | streuner | !compiz |
| 23:30.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 23:30.14 | gonzaloaf | !aiglx |
| 23:30.14 | dpkg | aiglx is, like, an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
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| 23:30.34 | stew | gonzaloaf: aiglx is included in xorg in debian, but not all cards/drivers supported. afaik, if you want the eyecandy, you'll have to switch from metacity to compiz |
| 23:30.51 | gonzaloaf | stew, just that? |
| 23:30.52 | streuner | !factinfo aiglx |
| 23:30.52 | dpkg | aiglx -- created by abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> at Fri Aug 11 23:47:35 2006 (310 days); it has been requested 108 times, last by gonzaloaf, 38s ago. |
| 23:30.58 | SomethingISODD | am i doing something wrong route add default gw ipaddress |
| 23:31.12 | fasta | I think I mount one of my file systems incorrectly, since my logs are full of: EXT3-fs warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended |
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| 23:31.30 | fasta | How can I mount a FS containing my homedir correctly? |
| 23:31.39 | gpm | there's a debianwiki page on compiz and all that isn't there? |
| 23:31.40 | stew | gonzaloaf: not just that, you'll have to make sure your card/driver combo are supported by aiglx, and change your xorg.conf to enable aiglx and iirc composting |
| 23:32.15 | gonzaloaf | stew, is there a list of supported hardware? |
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| 23:32.46 | stew | gonzaloaf: probably. i don't know, however |
| 23:32.48 | techbee2 | fasta:man fstab |
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| 23:33.22 | gonzaloaf | stew, I use the debian's nvidia driver |
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| 23:33.25 | stew | gonzaloaf: i know, for instance, that any card the 'radeon' driver supports (which i think is ati up to the r300), but i dont know which intel/nvidia cards/drivers work |
| 23:33.35 | stew | gonzaloaf: debians nvidia driver doesn't have any 3d support, which is required |
| 23:33.43 | gonzaloaf | L( |
| 23:33.45 | streuner | intel is good |
| 23:33.45 | gonzaloaf | :( |
| 23:33.53 | streuner | because its open-source |
| 23:34.00 | fasta | streuner: ? |
| 23:34.05 | stew | gonzaloaf: i don't know if the non-free nvidia driver is supported |
| 23:34.06 | streuner | nvidia is crap :-) |
| 23:34.08 | fasta | stew: ? |
| 23:34.13 | dotCOMmie | Hello does anyone know how to force keychain not to use ssh_askpass? |
| 23:34.22 | fasta | The closed-source nvidia driver does support it |
| 23:34.35 | streuner | hm |
| 23:34.52 | fasta | I used it, but compiz itself, sucks so hard, I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemies. |
| 23:34.56 | gonzaloaf | fasta, which is the closed? the nvidia driver from the nvidia's web? |
| 23:34.56 | dotCOMmie | I dont want keychain to spawn a gui process.. its annoying? |
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| 23:35.02 | streuner | some people told us, you only get compiz/beryl working if you using the latest nvidia driver |
| 23:35.10 | fasta | gonzaloaf: "nvidia" is the closed driver |
| 23:35.21 | fasta | gonzaloaf: "nv" is the open driver |
| 23:35.22 | streuner | nv is open-source |
| 23:35.31 | gonzaloaf | fasta, I saw a laptop with ATI card and aiglx worked good |
| 23:35.31 | streuner | nv doens't support 3D |
| 23:35.46 | h3sp4wn | It can work without the latest nvidia (with xgl) or any 9xxx driver (i.e the one in sid now) |
| 23:35.53 | fasta | You can also recognize the nv driver by the fact that it never crashes. |
| 23:35.55 | h3sp4wn | doesn't need to be the 100.x or whatever |
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| 23:36.25 | gonzaloaf | fasta, stew said that this driver doent support 3D |
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| 23:36.36 | fasta | gonzaloaf: the open driver doesn't indeed. |
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| 23:36.39 | dotCOMmie | --nogui is the option I wanted |
| 23:37.02 | fasta | gonzaloaf: it doesn't because reverse-engineering a graphics card is non-trivial |
| 23:37.15 | h3sp4wn | fasta: Its never crashed for me - but it does look like crap |
| 23:37.27 | fasta | h3sp4wn: what never crashed? |
| 23:37.34 | stew | fasta: the open source driver isn't reverse-engineered |
| 23:37.37 | h3sp4wn | fasta: nvidia non free driver |
| 23:37.40 | fasta | stew: I know |
| 23:38.07 | streuner | nvidia (non-free) is just packaged - not more or less |
| 23:38.11 | fasta | h3sp4wn: ok, then you must always rebuild your module when you reinstall a new X. |
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| 23:38.23 | h3sp4wn | fasta: I use the debian packages |
| 23:38.28 | fasta | h3sp4wn: when I install a new X, all 3d applications crash. |
| 23:38.42 | fasta | h3sp4wn: unless, I rebuild a new one. |
| 23:38.43 | h3sp4wn | I cannot be bothered having to reinstall the driver all the time |
| 23:38.45 | fasta | h3sp4wn: I use debian packages too |
| 23:39.18 | fasta | h3sp4wn: I too find it rediculous, but it happens for some reason. |
| 23:39.33 | fasta | ridiculous* |
| 23:40.02 | fasta | h3sp4wn: google for BadRequest |
| 23:40.15 | fasta | h3sp4wn: I am not the only one with these issues |
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| 23:41.46 | unix_infidel | if i remove a keyboard from a computer after its posted i shouldnt have any problems right? |
| 23:42.03 | unix_infidel | eg, when the OS is loaded and i can remotely get into the thing via some networked protocol? |
| 23:42.08 | unlink | how can i do batch certificate creation with openssl? |
| 23:42.17 | unlink | it seems it wants to prompt me about something, no matter what |
| 23:43.07 | unlink | in particular, i want to set the dn without typing it in |
| 23:43.37 | fasta | unlink: do you know anything about certificates? |
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| 23:44.05 | fasta | unlink: if the answer is no, read a book or get "owned" later. |
| 23:44.36 | unlink | fasta: yes |
| 23:44.45 | unlink | fasta: i'm not interested in learning about certificates |
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| 23:44.54 | unlink | fasta: i want to create them non-interactively |
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| 23:46.03 | fasta | unlink: "yes"? What does that mean? |
| 23:46.06 | unlink | well, apart from typing a passphrase |
| 23:46.20 | unlink | except i want to create certificates, not keys |
| 23:46.38 | unlink | fasta: i know something about certificates |
| 23:46.52 | fasta | unlink: ok, then you don't need to ask. Very good |
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| 23:47.02 | unlink | fasta: well played |
| 23:47.21 | unlink | fasta: i especially enjoyed your false dichotomy |
| 23:48.36 | eazy3 | I'm trying to upgrade from sarge to etch according to the release notes but I don't know how to clear packages pending in aptitude. aptitude is tryingt to remove the Kernal Image "packages being deleted due to unsatisfied dependencies" |
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| 23:49.48 | hackmiker | hi i want to instal Xorg by hand, i should uninstall existing packages first, right? what packages should I remove? |
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| 23:50.04 | Quintin | hackmiker: dpkg -l | grep xorg |
| 23:50.13 | hackmiker | okay |
| 23:50.19 | eazy3 | If i try to run aptitude and insall anything, it's the same situation. It asks me if I want to remove the kernal, I of course say no. |
| 23:50.25 | fasta | unlink: you can use expect, if all you want is to the dn |
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| 23:51.35 | sorl_ | how can i get apt to forget what i just tried to install and start over? |
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| 23:52.00 | sorl_ | after some failure because of conflicts it tries to solve it whatever i try to install |
| 23:52.09 | gonzaloaf | I added compiz to gnome by adding an entry in the Startup programs like this: compiz --replace --fast-filter, now how can I go back to metacity? |
| 23:52.11 | sorl_ | *anything* |
| 23:52.26 | unlink | fasta: no need to use cat, i could simpy use cat, since the order of the questions doesn't change |
| 23:52.32 | unlink | *no need to use expect |
| 23:53.32 | nullx | I just installed Debian 4.0 and I am having problems with my networking. I am able to connect to the internet, but I am not able to ping outside of the router. I can resolve host names, but I get nothing when I ping google.com. Any idea? |
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| 23:54.32 | unlink | nullx: your router is filtering ICMP |
| 23:54.38 | cire | Sorry if this question was asked before, because I think it WAS. But: Where is openoffice calc? Just wanted to check out a feature, but in the current unstable version it seems disappeared. Is this information correct? |
| 23:54.39 | unlink | ...at least ICMP echo |
| 23:55.10 | cire | ("disappered" refers to calc, not to the feature) |
| 23:55.11 | nullx | will it only filter the pings from linux then? I can ping out on my window machines |
| 23:55.26 | unlink | cire: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian |
| 23:55.32 | cire | thanks! |
| 23:56.22 | unlink | what's the !dpkg for that? |
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