| 00:01.22 | krekon | how can I see the file size of a specific file. without using "ls -l" that shows attributes of all files in a directory |
| 00:02.51 | utopia_ | ls -l <thefile> no good to you? |
| 00:02.52 | peterS | krekon: there is 'ls -s filename' which shows the file size in blocks |
| 00:03.49 | peterS | krekon: if that's not good enough, try stat -c%s filename |
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| 00:04.35 | krekon | utopia_ peterS thanks a lot |
| 00:05.02 | DerbyD | peterS: everything OK thanks :) |
| 00:05.08 | peterS | DerbyD: heh, cool |
| 00:06.37 | utopia_ | you know the apt-get database is that stored in a file somwhere on the box or is it fetched off a mirror? Like freebsd has /usr/ports/INDEX as a database to all the ports.. |
| 00:07.04 | peterS | utopia_: it is fetched from the network when you 'apt-get update', the local cache is stored in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 00:07.21 | utopia_ | cool thx i'll have a look :) |
| 00:07.39 | peterS | utopia_: ...also /var/cache/apt/*.bin, which you can delete if they ever cause you trouble, they'll be regenerated |
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| 00:09.12 | utopia_ | they'll be regenerated when you run apt-get update? |
| 00:09.26 | peterS | yeah |
| 00:09.37 | utopia_ | cool thx |
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| 00:16.13 | Animum | Can I have some hot-dogs? |
| 00:16.18 | Cremepuff222 | YES!!! |
| 00:16.52 | Cremepuff222 | #flood |
| 00:16.57 | Animum | What?! No chocolate sauce?! |
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| 00:21.13 | muskrat | I have a couple of grub questions but the grub channel seems to be silent tonight. |
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| 00:22.16 | muskrat | When chain loading linux do we use the same stanza as windows? |
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| 00:22.36 | smoketest | When I log in as root with single user mode i can acess the internet just fine - when i use the default mode i cannot access the internet as either a user or root |
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| 00:23.13 | Cremepuff222 | Please pass the ham. |
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| 00:23.49 | Animum | At least you're not cursing. |
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| 00:24.52 | karsten | smoketest: "access the internet" how? |
| 00:25.05 | karsten | muskrat: Why would you want to chainload Linux? |
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| 00:25.17 | karsten | Cremepuff222: Gas, not ham. |
| 00:25.21 | smoketest | cannot use any protocol to access any server outside my wan |
| 00:25.24 | saint-takeshi | is there any big change between Xorg 7.1 and 7.2 that would make fglrx 8.28.8 not work? |
| 00:25.26 | smoketest | *lan |
| 00:25.33 | smoketest | ie no wan access |
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| 00:25.37 | Cremepuff222 | Please pass the chocolate sauce. |
| 00:25.41 | dmounce | Hi! On a fairly fresh install of Etch I've run into a somewhat strange problem. When I'm any user but root, I can't use su or sudo. su simple rejects all passwords, even if they are absolutely correct, and sudo spits out "sudo: must be setuid root" What might be causing this problem? |
| 00:25.48 | karsten | !tell smoketest about network drill |
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| 00:26.07 | Animum | GIVE ME CHOCOLATE SAUCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:26.09 | Animum | NOW!!! |
| 00:26.14 | karsten | smoketest: First confirm that your basic network configuration is sane. Generally permissions (eg: root/nonroot) don't play into this. |
| 00:26.17 | karsten | Animum: Stop that. |
| 00:26.18 | Animum | NOW!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 00:26.20 | Animum | NOW!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:26.21 | smoketest | i can ping trace to the router |
| 00:26.22 | karsten | !ops Animum spamming. |
| 00:26.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: Animum spamming. |
| 00:26.22 | Animum | NOW!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 00:26.37 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
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| 00:26.49 | o2T7 | hi |
| 00:26.50 | smoketest | and my other box works just fine ( I am using it now ) |
| 00:26.56 | o2T7 | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free |
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| 00:26.59 | karsten | smoketest: Any errors or other output? |
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| 00:27.01 | o2T7 | gives me |
| 00:27.06 | o2T7 | Err http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release |
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| 00:27.23 | smoketest | all traces drop at the router |
| 00:27.30 | smoketest | ping traceroute |
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| 00:27.52 | o2T7 | and a GPG erro |
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| 00:28.02 | o2T7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:28.12 | karsten | o2T7: /topic |
| 00:28.13 | smoketest | the router's filtering has not changed |
| 00:28.20 | o2T7 | I reinstalled debian-archive-keyring |
| 00:28.27 | karsten | smoketest: What's route -n say? |
| 00:28.35 | karsten | o2T7: aptitude update. |
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| 00:29.16 | o2T7 | dist-update didn't update it? |
| 00:29.22 | Cremepuff222 | Doo de doo de doo... |
| 00:29.27 | Cremepuff222 | Doo de doo de doo!! |
| 00:29.33 | Cremepuff222 | DOO DE DOO DE DOO!!! |
| 00:29.38 | karsten | Cremepuff222: Stop that. |
| 00:29.39 | Cremepuff222 | DOO DE DOO DE DOO!!! |
| 00:29.43 | Cremepuff222 | DOO DE DOO DE DOO!!! |
| 00:29.46 | Cremepuff222 | DOO DE DOO DE DOO!!! |
| 00:29.47 | Cremepuff222 | DOO DE DOO DE DOO!!! |
| 00:29.49 | Cremepuff222 | DOO DE DOO DE DOO!!! |
| 00:29.51 | Cremepuff222 | DOO DE DOO DE DOO!!! |
| 00:29.52 | Cremepuff222 | Sorry. |
| 00:29.53 | karsten | !ops Cremepuff222 spamming |
| 00:29.54 | Cremepuff222 | I'll stop. |
| 00:29.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: Cremepuff222 spamming |
| 00:29.55 | dvs01 | shut up |
| 00:30.07 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 00:30.09 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@Wikipedia/Cremepuff222] by peterS |
| 00:30.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 00:30.10 | peterS | yeah, you will |
| 00:30.19 | karsten | !beer peterS |
| 00:30.29 | dvs01 | ooh beer |
| 00:30.30 | dvs01 | good idea |
| 00:31.11 | dvs01 | why do the ops here not stay opped? |
| 00:31.47 | dmounce | Anyone ever had su stop working? If I'm any user but root, all I get is an authentication failure message... |
| 00:31.49 | peterS | dvs01: it's a general freenode policy - having a lot of visible ops in the channel tends to put people more on edge and promote aggression |
| 00:32.00 | dvs01 | really |
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| 00:32.32 | dvs01 | an interesting view of the flaws of human nature |
| 00:32.37 | peterS | not every freenode channel follows this, #svn for example does not, but it's a recommendation |
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| 00:33.16 | Guerin | it's the `walk softly and carry a big stick' approach |
| 00:33.18 | zamuro | How do you say chanserv not to op you at joining a channel? |
| 00:33.28 | dvs01 | how effective is the difference, petemc? |
| 00:33.30 | dvs01 | peterS, sorry |
| 00:34.01 | peterS | dvs01: I have no idea. but we try hard not to go around threatening people constantly "you better behave or I'll ban you". not carrying a @ flag probably helps with this |
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| 00:34.13 | o2T7 | Is this what I have to do ? |
| 00:34.14 | o2T7 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-for_next |
| 00:34.20 | dvs01 | makes sense |
| 00:34.32 | Guerin | o2T7: first, you have to explain what you *want* to do |
| 00:34.42 | o2T7 | I was using sarge |
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| 00:34.54 | o2T7 | and i just dis dist-upgrade |
| 00:35.11 | karsten | dvs01: http://www.freenode.org/policy.shtml |
| 00:35.17 | dvs01 | thanks |
| 00:35.25 | o2T7 | I want to add the non-us repos to sources.list |
| 00:35.29 | o2T7 | but gives me error |
| 00:35.30 | Guerin | o2T7: some of us are mind readers, but we prefer to keep *that* a secret, too |
| 00:35.32 | karsten | dvs01: ... there's a links "decompress" or similar, I'm 500 error on that site ATM. |
| 00:35.38 | Guerin | o2T7: there are no non-us repos |
| 00:35.45 | karsten | !esp |
| 00:35.45 | dpkg | somebody said esp was I don't have extra-sensory perception (mind-reading powers). If you're asked a question or to run a command and provide output, it's because information is needed to help _you_ solve your problem. If you don't cooperate, or don't clearly state your problem, we can't help, and will move on to someone else. Understand? |
| 00:36.51 | o2T7 | Then, why it is by default at a tipical sources.list ? |
| 00:37.10 | karsten | o2T7: Shouldn't be. |
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| 00:37.13 | o2T7 | Perhaps from older distributions? |
| 00:37.17 | Guerin | o2T7: it isn't, any more. |
| 00:37.21 | Guerin | yes |
| 00:37.22 | Guerin | well |
| 00:37.27 | o2T7 | ok, fine, then it must be that |
| 00:37.45 | Guerin | the people who wrote that couldn't see the future |
| 00:38.03 | o2T7 | Thank you, and sorry for my lack of info :D |
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| 00:39.12 | o2T7 | another repositories related question: |
| 00:39.18 | o2T7 | If my amule says it is updated |
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| 00:39.30 | o2T7 | and I only have "oficial" repositories |
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| 00:39.46 | o2T7 | Is it because it is alrady included in the oficial repositories? |
| 00:39.47 | o2T7 | Or |
| 00:39.55 | o2T7 | How to know if it is included? |
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| 00:40.07 | Guerin | o2T7: yes, it's in main now. |
| 00:40.09 | o2T7 | By using the search for packets at the web? |
| 00:40.16 | Gokee2_Laptop | After adding a new path to bash is there a way to have a already loged in shell pick up the change? |
| 00:40.19 | Guerin | !non-us |
| 00:40.20 | dpkg | well, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 00:40.28 | Guerin | read that mailing list message |
| 00:40.51 | o2T7 | oh, ok |
| 00:41.11 | o2T7 | Thank you again. |
| 00:41.15 | Guerin | welcome |
| 00:42.37 | ustunozgur | , |
| 00:42.51 | ustunozgur | Gokee2_Laptop: you have to source it |
| 00:43.14 | Gokee2_Laptop | source it? |
| 00:43.19 | ustunozgur | sorry, I misunderstood |
| 00:43.35 | Guerin | Gokee2_Laptop: source fileyouputthenewpathin |
| 00:43.40 | Guerin | Gokee2_Laptop: or use export |
| 00:43.53 | Guerin | ustunozgur: i think you had it right |
| 00:44.01 | smoketest | karsten roiute -n in default mode shows NO routing table |
| 00:44.21 | smoketest | yet in single user mode the table is populated |
| 00:44.27 | Gokee2_Laptop | hmm ok |
| 00:44.37 | smoketest | has anyone else heard of this |
| 00:45.17 | ustunozgur | Guerin: I am confused :) |
| 00:45.18 | argonic | smoketest: Can root do it? |
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| 00:45.51 | smoketest | no account has access in default mode - even root |
| 00:45.52 | argonic | maybe it's some sort of crazy capability thing, ala SELinux |
| 00:45.59 | karsten | smoketest: That's your problem. |
| 00:46.42 | smoketest | I just dont know what is the difference between the two |
| 00:46.54 | smoketest | besides the single user login |
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| 00:47.02 | Guerin | smoketest: what do you mean by `default mode' - multi-user runlevel? |
| 00:47.05 | smoketest | if one mode works and the other doesnt |
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| 00:47.20 | smoketest | yeah - the first option on the boot screen |
| 00:47.28 | argonic | smoketest: have you comapred the contents of the various /etc/rc<X>.d's? |
| 00:47.32 | Guerin | smoketest: does the interface come up? |
| 00:47.32 | wimpies | anybody here that can help me recover from a update conflict with apt-get ? |
| 00:48.00 | smoketest | in multiuser no interface but the loopback |
| 00:48.06 | Guerin | wimpies: paste output of aptitude -f install; and apt-cache policy; to a website |
| 00:48.18 | argonic | smoketest: Is the driver module loaded? |
| 00:48.21 | Guerin | smoketest: bring up an interface and you'll see a route |
| 00:48.31 | Guerin | smoketest: man 5 interfaces for the how |
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| 00:48.38 | o2T7 | The last error is |
| 00:48.38 | o2T7 | Err http://people.debian.org all/etch Packages |
| 00:48.38 | o2T7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.45 | maddash | !find gdk-pixbuf-xlib-2.0 |
| 00:48.47 | Guerin | o2T7: delete that line |
| 00:48.52 | o2T7 | when "sarge" works fine |
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| 00:49.10 | argonic | What are you even loading from people.d.o? |
| 00:49.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gdk-pixbuf-xlib-2.0' (2): (/usr/lib/pkgconfig/gdk-pixbuf-xlib-2.0.pc) in libdevel/libgtk2.0-dev ;; (/usr/lib/lsb3/pkgconfig/gdk-pixbuf-xlib-2.0.pc) in devel/lsb-build-desktop3. |
| 00:49.25 | Guerin | argonic: there were a bunch of backports there |
| 00:49.25 | o2T7 | What's up with it? |
| 00:49.32 | argonic | Guerin: ah |
| 00:49.37 | Guerin | o2T7: it's ancient history, ignore it. |
| 00:49.51 | o2T7 | Ok, much cleaner now |
| 00:49.56 | gordboy | hello from debconf 7 after hours drinking session |
| 00:50.00 | wimpies | Guerin : here you are ... http://pastebin.com/932299 |
| 00:50.11 | o2T7 | I had it because of php5 |
| 00:50.14 | Guerin | gordboy: bravo debconfees! |
| 00:50.20 | o2T7 | I guess from my notes |
| 00:50.22 | argonic | o2T7: php5 is in etch |
| 00:50.28 | xRainbows | I have a ASUS P2B-DS Motherboard and would like to install Debian to it... but my BIOs is not visible, well there is no connection it seems to keyboard and monitor, anybody a clue? |
| 00:50.32 | o2T7 | fine |
| 00:50.43 | o2T7 | and inkscape? |
| 00:50.52 | o2T7 | How to know wich packages are included? |
| 00:51.01 | argonic | http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 00:51.27 | o2T7 | No non-www way to search for them? |
| 00:51.37 | Guerin | wimpies: is ftp://download.xs4all.nl a full mirror? |
| 00:51.46 | o2T7 | apt or any other command line option? |
| 00:51.48 | Guerin | o2T7: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:52.10 | wimpies | euh, don't know really .. let me check my other server ... |
| 00:52.23 | o2T7 | Yes, but i mean |
| 00:52.51 | o2T7 | a way for knowing from where i am obtaining a package once my repositories are set up |
| 00:52.57 | Guerin | wimpies: presuming it is, add a stable line, and install a 2.6 kernel of your choosing. |
| 00:53.04 | o2T7 | if it is from official or not |
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| 00:53.06 | argonic | o2T7: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 00:53.07 | Guerin | o2T7: apt-0cache show packagename |
| 00:53.30 | wimpies | Guerin : that is the problem I cannot install the kernel. If fails because the libc6 package failed to install. |
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| 00:53.37 | smoketest | int eth0 is up |
| 00:53.38 | o2T7 | Fine :) |
| 00:53.46 | smoketest | it has a mac address but not an ip\ |
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| 00:54.00 | o2T7 | I don't disturb you any more today :D. Thank you! |
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| 00:55.05 | wimpies | I get this http://pastebin.com/932303 when I try to install a new kernel |
| 00:55.13 | saint-takeshi | to get DRI working with the open ati driver, do i just ave to add the same modules section to xorg.conf that fglrx would? dri, glx, dbe? |
| 00:56.16 | ustunozgur | why is emacs22 only in experimental? |
| 00:56.25 | Guerin | ustunozgur: because it's brand freaking new |
| 00:56.26 | smoketest | this is dumb - why am I playing with not getting an ip in multi user |
| 00:56.36 | Guerin | !info binutils |
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| 00:57.20 | saint-takeshi | i want direct rendering for games/blender, having nothing but trouble with fglrx, and i've been told that my chipset (Radeon 9250) will work fine with the open source driver...how do i make it work? |
| 00:57.20 | Guerin | smoketest: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:57.33 | dpkg | binutils: (The GNU assembler, linker and binary utilities), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.17cvs20070426-8 (sid), Packaged size: 2460 kB, Installed size: 6760 kB |
| 00:57.45 | ustunozgur | Guerin: strange, I had backported it when I was in testing a few days ago; now I see that it is not even in the unstable. |
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| 00:57.51 | wfq | hello |
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| 00:57.59 | Guerin | wimpies: remove binutils, libc6-dev and locales for now |
| 00:58.21 | Guerin | wimpies: install the 2.6 kernel, boot it, and your upgrade should proceed. |
| 00:58.28 | Guerin | actually, you may not even need to boot it |
| 00:58.31 | ustunozgur | does anybody happen to know of a debian way to build emacs unicode? |
| 00:58.46 | Guerin | ustunozgur: my emacs does unicode just fine |
| 00:58.47 | wimpies | Guerin : with --force-depends ? because some packages require libc6-dev |
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| 00:59.15 | Guerin | wimpies: I would uninstall them. You could use --force-depends, but it might do crazy things. |
| 00:59.21 | Guerin | you can always reinstall them again later |
| 00:59.23 | ustunozgur | Guerin: oops, I meant xft. |
| 00:59.32 | wfq | hello, my touchpad is absolutely slow now. The only thing i have installed from last time to now is the xfs server and xorg does not throw any error about the mouse |
| 00:59.46 | ustunozgur | the one with nice font support |
| 00:59.58 | nvz | wfq: man xset ? |
| 01:00.22 | Guerin | ustunozgur: i think manoj maintains a debian repo for it, but since there's no xft support for the buffers, it's largely pointless unless you nee the GTK2 UI for some wacky unicode-only font |
| 01:00.26 | wimpies | Guerin : I did this dpkg --remove --force-depends binutils libc6-dev locales |
| 01:00.37 | wimpies | then this : apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:00.56 | wimpies | but It does not want to install (lots of missing dependencies) |
| 01:01.02 | Guerin | yes |
| 01:01.08 | Guerin | that's what --force-depends does |
| 01:01.19 | ustunozgur | Guerin: OK then, thanks. |
| 01:02.00 | Guerin | wimpies: if you'd read the install guide, you'd have known to install the 2.6 kernel *before* starting the upgrade |
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| 01:02.41 | ustunozgur | I'll wait till it goes into trunk. |
| 01:02.47 | abrotman | uh |
| 01:03.04 | wfq | nvz, but xset is just for the current session and it does not write into the xorg server setting file |
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| 01:03.11 | Guerin | ustunozgur: at emacs speeds, that could be decades |
| 01:03.19 | wimpies | Guerin : sure and If I would have read the source code I would know the way around the state the system is in now ... but I did not :( |
| 01:03.37 | Guerin | wimpies: ad absurdum doesn't really help |
| 01:03.41 | wimpies | Guerin : Question is how can I downgrade to the versions I have installed |
| 01:03.45 | abrotman | Guerin: ignorance is a valid excuse :) |
| 01:03.49 | Guerin | wimpies: just uninstall them |
| 01:03.54 | ustunozgur | Guerin: haha, right. They said it will be ready for the next release, which happens to be about 5 years from now. |
| 01:04.01 | Guerin | wimpies: you won't need them until after the upgrade anyhow |
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| 01:04.15 | ustunozgur | but some claims in a few months, it will be in trunk, I don't know. |
| 01:04.23 | Guerin | ustunozgur: *scheduled* for five years from now. Last release was seven. |
| 01:04.33 | wimpies | Guerin : I did uninstall them (had to use --force-depends because otherwise they would not uninstall because of depends) |
| 01:04.39 | wimpies | but it still does not help |
| 01:05.02 | Guerin | wimpies: no, you DID NOT have to use --force-depends. I explicitly told you NOT TO since I suspected this would happen. |
| 01:05.25 | wfq | can someone that has a laptop show me his/her xorg setting file for mouse and touchpad section please? |
| 01:05.29 | Guerin | wimpies: so now: uninstall all packages which are orphaned by the absence of binutils and libc6-dev and locales |
| 01:05.55 | Guerin | wfq: there are literally thousands on the interwebs |
| 01:05.58 | wimpies | apt-get -f install seems to have removed most |
| 01:06.03 | Guerin | it should do |
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| 01:06.09 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 01:06.09 | dpkg | hmm... laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
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| 01:06.46 | ncirc | hi! |
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| 01:07.39 | abrotman | damn ... |
| 01:08.15 | wimpies | Guerin : Ok apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 seems to want to work |
| 01:08.17 | krekon | how can I insert the output of a command in a variable? |
| 01:08.41 | peterS | krekon: var=$(command ...) |
| 01:08.47 | Drgb | varname=`command` |
| 01:08.47 | ncirc | var=`command` |
| 01:08.49 | Drgb | or not? |
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| 01:09.02 | ncirc | xD |
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| 01:10.31 | lanchow | Q: i removed the 12 files of a directory, could magicrescue help me ? |
| 01:10.39 | wimpies | Guerin : i get lots of modinfo: invalid option -- F errors ... should I reconfigure the kernel ? |
| 01:10.41 | wfq | hey, i did not know xorg made backup each time you changed something so i just backup it back and voila!!! |
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| 01:11.26 | Guerin | wimpies: not yet. Remove the stable line and try the upgrade to testing agains |
| 01:11.56 | Cremepuff222 | Can I talk here? |
| 01:12.00 | Cremepuff222 | Yay. |
| 01:12.08 | Cremepuff222 | See ya later, everyone. |
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| 01:12.17 | saint-takeshi | is there a specific package for openGL using the ati open source driver? |
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| 01:12.56 | wimpies | Guerin : no upgrade still failes because of libc6 requiring 2.6 kernel .. I need to reboot into the 2.6 kernel first probably ? |
| 01:12.57 | abrotman | saint-takeshi: which card ? |
| 01:13.07 | Guerin | wimpies: i suppose so. |
| 01:14.01 | saint-takeshi | abrotman: the same Radeon 9250 128mb that i come in here and bitch about every time i reformat ;-) |
| 01:14.18 | Guerin | ustunozgur: ask peterS |
| 01:14.27 | wimpies | the server I work with is in a remote site. Should the modinfo errors I got worry me ? Grub seems to have installed a good menu.lst and modules seems to be present |
| 01:14.29 | abrotman | saint-takeshi: is there a DRI section in your xorg.conf ? |
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| 01:14.50 | saint-takeshi | uhh...lemme check... |
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| 01:15.20 | abrotman | saint-takeshi: TBH .. you'd think if you have this problem all the time .. you'd take notes :) |
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| 01:16.42 | cafuego | wimpies: Is there someone at the remote site who can intervene if things go wrong? |
| 01:16.55 | wimpies | not tonight but tomorrow yes |
| 01:17.12 | saint-takeshi | abrotman: every time, something different goes wrong, or i remember it in the wrong order. if i get it working with the open driver, i'll just put xorg.conf on a floppy and make that part of my hard-drive replacement ritual. |
| 01:17.19 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:17.22 | Guerin | wimpies: modinfo is an informative thing |
| 01:17.33 | Guerin | you would be worried if depmod -a was throwing errors. |
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| 01:17.44 | MrProper_ | with setting up my own repository for apt, how do i setup my repository for authentication (so my clients stop complaining about verification |
| 01:17.45 | cafuego | wimpies: then i suggest you wait until tomorrow |
| 01:18.04 | saint-takeshi | Section "dri" |
| 01:18.04 | saint-takeshi | Mode "0666" |
| 01:18.04 | saint-takeshi | EndSection ....that right? |
| 01:18.08 | wimpies | cafuego : the server is not really critical ... it is ok if it is down for a day |
| 01:18.19 | abrotman | saint-takeshi: that's one part |
| 01:18.20 | wimpies | rebooting ! |
| 01:18.31 | abrotman | saint-takeshi: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 01:18.35 | Guerin | !bless wimpies |
| 01:18.36 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child wimpies, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 01:19.19 | abrotman | okay .. then don't wait for help |
| 01:19.24 | wimpies | Ah ... I can ping him ... good ! |
| 01:19.38 | Guerin | hurrah! |
| 01:19.41 | wimpies | Good 2.6.18 running .... |
| 01:19.50 | wimpies | bless linus e.a. |
| 01:20.07 | abrotman | oh .. that takes all the fun out of it |
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| 01:20.22 | draeath | How would I go about 'undeleting' a file from NTFS? |
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| 01:20.35 | draeath | the drive had ~20gb free and I hit the power button almost immediatly after doing so. |
| 01:20.38 | Guerin | draeath: you would go about asking #windows |
| 01:20.48 | draeath | Guerin, i would hope to do so from within debian |
| 01:21.00 | draeath | Guerin, 'undeleting' from a volumn you are in is touchy |
| 01:21.08 | abrotman | !ubcd |
| 01:21.08 | dpkg | it has been said that ubcd is http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ or and a version full of windows tools http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
| 01:21.16 | Guerin | draeath: you would most likely be shit out of luck. Try photorc, in the `testdisk' package |
| 01:21.27 | draeath | i see listings for a man page for 'ntfsundelete' on ntfs-linux.org but i don't know what software package that is part of |
| 01:21.32 | ProwL | hiren's boot cd is also awesome. |
| 01:21.41 | abrotman | HounD! |
| 01:21.46 | Guerin | draeath: good luck with that. |
| 01:21.55 | abrotman | MiragE! |
| 01:22.03 | asg | abrotman: MiagI |
| 01:22.04 | Guerin | BeeR? |
| 01:22.07 | abrotman | JazZ |
| 01:22.17 | ProwL | <3 |
| 01:22.26 | abrotman | RatcheT!!!! |
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| 01:22.49 | draeath | anyone know where I can find http://man.linux-ntfs.org/ntfsundelete.8.html for compilation? |
| 01:23.06 | saint-takeshi | abrotman: glxinfo: command not found....just noticed that the lines in the modules section for dri, glx and dbe were commented out, tried logging out, didn't help, i'll try ctrl-alt-backspace in a minute |
| 01:23.10 | wimpies | draeth : try www.freshmeat.net ? |
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| 01:23.18 | abrotman | you don't have glxinfo ? |
| 01:23.25 | Guerin | draeath: maybe ask in one of the ntfs channels, #ntfs3g, if there is one |
| 01:23.25 | abrotman | !find bin/glxinfo etch |
| 01:23.30 | asg | draeath: apt-file search ntfsundelete |
| 01:24.00 | abrotman | dpkg: faster! |
| 01:24.00 | dpkg | well, faster is Look, just pack it in, okay? "Faster" is almost always a meaningless abstract depending on hundreds of variables which you almost certainly haven't considered. A jet fighter goes "faster" than a brick, but which do you want to build your house out of? |
| 01:24.07 | draeath | asg, i can't find that command in that package |
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| 01:24.11 | draeath | asg, I have already installed it |
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| 01:24.13 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 01:24.29 | asg | draeath: dpkg -L <pkg> | grep ntfsundelete |
| 01:24.34 | draeath | asg, ah its root-only |
| 01:24.35 | draeath | nevermind |
| 01:24.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/glxinfo' (1): (/usr/bin/glxinfo) in x11/mesa-utils. |
| 01:24.42 | draeath | Ignore EVERYTHING I have said tonight :D |
| 01:24.59 | abrotman | saint-takeshi: install mesa-utils |
| 01:25.54 | abrotman | if go poof .. it's cause greycat sent me his damn rain |
| 01:25.57 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:26.02 | saint-takeshi | eep! i accidentally added a sid repo to my sources.list and software updater's installing 154 new packages....i need to start doing one thing at a time |
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| 01:26.22 | asg | abrotman: Ohio rain? |
| 01:26.32 | abrotman | smells like piss :) |
| 01:27.05 | asg | abrotman: which side of Philly are you on again? |
| 01:27.09 | abrotman | NW |
| 01:27.17 | abrotman | far NW |
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| 01:27.41 | asg | abrotman: it's the essence of Schmidt polluting ur baseballz |
| 01:27.57 | saint-takeshi | is there any way i can downgrade after i've fixed everything and go back to Lenny without reformatting (i haven't dist-upgraded, just installed all the sid packages that don't require removing anything) |
| 01:27.58 | abrotman | no way! |
| 01:28.09 | abrotman | downgrade not possible! |
| 01:28.22 | saint-takeshi | c'est la guerre |
| 01:28.35 | phogg | mass downgrading is not really something you can do. |
| 01:28.45 | gordboy | the kernel went downhill after 1.2.13 |
| 01:28.55 | abrotman | gordboy: it got bloated! :) |
| 01:29.03 | Guerin | saint-takeshi: if you have a list, you can remove them all manually |
| 01:29.38 | craigevil | just take sid out of your sources.list sooner or later the packages will be in testing |
| 01:29.44 | abrotman | hopefully |
| 01:30.16 | craigevil | or you can try using aptitude to remove them if they didnt bring in dependencies |
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| 01:31.12 | Guerin | saint-takeshi: it depends |
| 01:31.14 | abrotman | b0rked!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:31.49 | craigevil | probably not that unstable it depends |
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| 01:33.22 | abrotman | saint-takeshi: yeah .. i can see how those letters might jumble together .. i'm actually surprised you didn't try to install the "justonemorebowl" version of debian |
| 01:33.39 | wimpies | Guerin : Thx for the help |
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| 01:34.22 | Guerin | wimpies: welcome |
| 01:34.29 | gordboy | i copied my first linux from someone else's hd. they used plan9 or some derivative. i was doing pseudo-unix on an atari st, until they forced me to use intel. why on earth did intel ever become the big boys ? the old motorola 68000 and the ns32032 were *proper* processors, with genuine general-purpose registers. moan moan |
| 01:34.31 | craigevil | they do both have a t and an e :) |
| 01:35.00 | nevyn | gordboy: quitcha. |
| 01:36.00 | ustunozgur | gordboy: only the good die young :) |
| 01:36.24 | abrotman | gordboy: they weren't cheap .. they can only blame themselves |
| 01:36.28 | saint-takeshi | heh...not as bad as the time i spent two drunken nights trying to port Dyne:Bolic to the Sega Saturn.... so many CD-Rs died needlessly that weekend |
| 01:36.35 | peterS | gordboy: yeah yeah, if m68k were so great, Motorola and Apple wouldn't have felt the need to borrow IBM's POWER design and invest in the PowerPC |
| 01:36.52 | peterS | they would've just continued to pump out better m68ks |
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| 01:37.39 | gordboy | peterS, that was financial clout. nothing to do with quality |
| 01:38.07 | saint-takeshi | does anyone know if there *IS* a liveCD that'll turn a retro games console into a musical instrument? |
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| 01:38.18 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:38.23 | peterS | gordboy: you think developing the powerpc was free? Apple must have seen _some_ reason to abandon the 68060 line and invest in a whole new architecture. (not new to IBM, but definitely new to Apple) |
| 01:38.31 | asg | saint-takeshi: just buy a commie 64 on ebay |
| 01:38.43 | abrotman | peterS: IBM conned them! |
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| 01:39.07 | peterS | abrotman: funny how that worked, as IBM was solely responsible for the success of the x86 line in the 80s |
| 01:39.26 | abrotman | peterS: funny how IBM always seems to get money for something they didn't actually do :) |
| 01:39.26 | dvs | asg: that was an 6502. |
| 01:39.32 | gordboy | peterS, yeah, well mileage differs i guess |
| 01:39.36 | peterS | abrotman: I mean in the sense that if IBM had built their PC with a 68000 that's all we'd be talking about now |
| 01:40.03 | krekon | do you know why vsftp doesn't stop when a crontab (root) tells it to stop? the output is writing in a file and the file shows this " Stopping FTP server: vsftpd " |
| 01:40.05 | abrotman | peterS: and using OS9 .. ewwwww |
| 01:40.14 | asg | dvs: and stacks of 1541s for the copy group |
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| 01:40.21 | dvs | heh |
| 01:40.34 | dvs | asg: you're lucky! I used "datasettes"! |
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| 01:40.57 | peterS | abrotman: well, never mind that, if the IBM PC had used a 68000, there would have been a different OS than Apple's, probably several different ones - since it's a 32-bit chip (the PC was of course only 16-bit), the serious players like unix would have lived on PC class hardware much sooner |
| 01:41.16 | asg | dvs: I did on the atari 400/800s I had. We were spoiled by the commies ... torrenting 80s style. |
| 01:41.22 | dvs | peterS: and no stupid segmented architecture! |
| 01:41.31 | abrotman | peterS: do you happen to know which arch the AT&T unix pc was ? |
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| 01:41.37 | dvs | asg: I did on my Amiga 500 and 2000 |
| 01:41.40 | peterS | abrotman: not offhand. I think it was a 386 |
| 01:41.48 | gordboy | abrotman, z8000 |
| 01:41.54 | dvs | asg: actually, I think the 2000 had a 68020 |
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| 01:42.11 | abrotman | really? |
| 01:42.43 | peterS | what's amusing is that even the 286 could run xenix, its protected mode wasn't very elaborate but it was enough to run unix |
| 01:43.05 | gordboy | don't knock the massive 16MB address space |
| 01:43.18 | peterS | right, right |
| 01:43.30 | gordboy | and the AT spec |
| 01:44.02 | peterS | come right down to it, why aren't we all using MicroVAX workstations now? |
| 01:44.09 | abrotman | not cheap! |
| 01:44.25 | peterS | oh not a full size vax, a microvax. those were slightly less ridiculously expensive. |
| 01:44.49 | Guerin | sanelson: so only `sillily expensive'? |
| 01:44.56 | Guerin | peterS: |
| 01:45.28 | peterS | Mr S.A. Nelson needs to change his name. every time I see 'sanelson' I do a double take due to my own last name |
| 01:45.30 | asg | peterS: I just upgraded my p200 to a nslu2 |
| 01:45.37 | Guerin | heh, i thought that too |
| 01:45.51 | dvs01 | dvs: whoa.. |
| 01:45.54 | dvs01 | hi |
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| 01:46.07 | peterS | asg: a popular move, I understand, for space, power and noise reasons |
| 01:46.07 | dvs01 | its another dvs |
| 01:46.08 | dvs | My evil twin!! aaahhh! |
| 01:46.11 | dvs01 | gah! |
| 01:46.28 | Guerin | but which is the evil one? |
| 01:46.33 | abrotman | the ubuntu one |
| 01:46.35 | asg | peterS: and dust reduction. I no longer have a grey line under the door to the office. |
| 01:46.39 | peterS | asg: heh |
| 01:46.40 | gordboy | i played with a pdp-8 for a while. in fact, i had a personal computer, cos the astronomers couldn't program for toffee. it had 128KB proper core, and 20MB winchester. card jobs, and the loudest printer ever |
| 01:46.40 | dvs01 | >:) |
| 01:47.13 | peterS | gordboy: oh I dunno about loudest ever, there have been some pretty loud printers in the early history of hard copy computer output |
| 01:47.19 | dvs | ah the dot matrix printers of yore... |
| 01:47.53 | peterS | dvs: nope. before dot matrix there was the line printer, even louder |
| 01:48.02 | gordboy | peterS, ibm mainframe line printer. i guess that was loud. i'm talking about the ibm 360/44 in the 70s |
| 01:48.08 | Guerin | the people we got it from used it to ink lots of samizdat commie literature in the 70s |
| 01:48.30 | asg | Guerin: was that a selling point? |
| 01:48.34 | dvs | peterS: really? they sounded like people chopping on a chopping board to me. Not too loud. |
| 01:48.45 | Guerin | asg: we sort of inherited it, but I guess it was. |
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| 01:48.53 | asg | Guerin: :) |
| 01:48.55 | peterS | dvs: well, I dunno. not all dot matrix printers were equally loud either |
| 01:49.07 | Guerin | my uncle is a card-carrying member of the NZ Workers Party |
| 01:49.20 | dvs | peterS: True, but there were some screamers. |
| 01:50.08 | gordboy | peterS, http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/itsold/newsletter/2005/11/historicalteddy.html |
| 01:50.12 | abrotman | when i started uni .. they had a line printer .. yes .. it was pretty damn loud .. but it printed code really fast :) |
| 01:50.32 | asg | abrotman: probably faster than the system they had ran it |
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| 01:51.34 | abrotman | asg: i could print to it from the Borland Turbo C++ 3.0! |
| 01:52.12 | asg | abrotman: hehe |
| 01:52.15 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:52.19 | Guerin | mplayer is awesome |
| 01:52.24 | Guerin | it can play zipfiles |
| 01:52.40 | peterS | zipfiles? |
| 01:52.49 | abrotman | cat is awesome .. it can play anything :P) |
| 01:53.11 | asg | /dev/null is better, it takes it all and doesn't flinch |
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| 01:53.25 | gordboy | abrotman, we used to dream of c. we had to make do with fortran iv & assembler |
| 01:53.33 | abrotman | i did those :) |
| 01:53.36 | dvs | !pity gordboy |
| 01:53.37 | dpkg | I pity da fool gordboy! |
| 01:53.51 | abrotman | just a little of fortran .. enough asm to spend a summer trying to do graphics in it :) |
| 01:54.09 | abrotman | you would! |
| 01:54.14 | Guerin | peterS: grab a mp3, put it in a zipfile, and mplayer will play it |
| 01:54.39 | peterS | how ... useful |
| 01:54.41 | asg | abrotman: yeah, you're right |
| 01:54.50 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:55.18 | gordboy | i did a program in fortran to do pi to 1000 places. it took 4 minutes, at about 30% cpu. my pc does 1M places in a few seconds. wild ! |
| 01:55.34 | asg | abrotman: she'd excise the affected area with a punch card |
| 01:55.45 | lymeca | There are two unconnected private LANs on the Internet, LAN A and LAN B. A machine behind the NAT (private IP) on LAN A is hosting a VNC server that my VNC client on LAN B wants to connect to. There is an SSH server on LAN A that I have public access to and can use to gain entry into LAN A, but the SSH server is a different machine than the VNC server. |
| 01:55.47 | abrotman | and the punch tool :) |
| 01:55.48 | lymeca | So I suppose that my question is this: how can I use VNC over an SSH tunnel when the SSH server and VNC server are NOT the same machine but only on the same LAN? |
| 01:56.18 | abrotman | didn't you ask about this earlier today? |
| 01:56.19 | asg | lymeca: look for -L in the manpage |
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| 01:56.38 | lymeca | asg: manpage of what? |
| 01:56.43 | asg | lymeca: ssh |
| 01:57.41 | Guerin | asg: he has as much right to be heard as anyone! |
| 01:58.13 | asg | Guerin: who, abrotman? :) |
| 01:58.21 | Guerin | hell no |
| 01:58.23 | Guerin | not him |
| 01:58.23 | abrotman | don't oppress my people! |
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| 02:00.29 | wiebel | hi, where am i supposed to enter the essid to be set automaticaly? (lenny, thinkpad, ndiswrapper) |
| 02:00.40 | lymeca | The ZFS article on Slashdot is my submission! |
| 02:00.59 | black_13 | what packages do i need to install to rebuild the kernel? |
| 02:01.06 | abrotman | lymeca: that's so sad :) |
| 02:01.16 | abrotman | wiebel: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:01.17 | lymeca | abrotman: Sorry... my first submission. |
| 02:01.26 | abrotman | black_13: build-essential at least |
| 02:01.27 | abrotman | !kp |
| 02:01.27 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 02:01.38 | black_13 | abrotman, got it |
| 02:01.38 | abrotman | lymeca: oh .. okay |
| 02:01.40 | lymeca | A bit excited after years of reading Slashdot... |
| 02:02.02 | abrotman | didn't you read the story about vnc over ssh on slashdot ? |
| 02:02.08 | lymeca | Haha umm |
| 02:02.13 | lymeca | No? |
| 02:02.23 | lymeca | But I found out I how to do it. |
| 02:02.23 | wiebel | abrotman, thanks, i'll try that, pcmcia/wireless seemed useless |
| 02:02.38 | lymeca | I don't think the -L command line switch for ssh is Slashdot-worthy though. |
| 02:03.10 | abrotman | wiebel: The passphrase is "wireless-essid <ssid>" |
| 02:03.38 | abrotman | lymeca: are you kidding .. Azar regurgitates that stuff in here all day .. it's better than what they've got! |
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| 02:06.34 | lymeca | abrotman: Azar regurgitates what? And it's better than what who's got? |
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| 02:06.52 | abrotman | slashdot and slashdot :) |
| 02:07.19 | wiebel | abrotman, good thx i couldn't find it in interfaces(5) |
| 02:07.30 | asg | wiebel: that's because it's in wireless(7) |
| 02:07.40 | lymeca | abrotman: Not a fan of Slashdot? |
| 02:07.54 | wiebel | asg, one has to know that ;) |
| 02:08.12 | asg | wiebel: and now you do :) |
| 02:08.22 | abrotman | lymeca: it's fine .. just fun to pick |
| 02:08.29 | MrProper_ | can anyone tell me how i can make apt not check for verification on a particular respository? |
| 02:08.36 | asg | abrotman: it's fine if you don't take the comments seriously |
| 02:08.51 | wiebel | any reason why pcmcia/wireless doesn't work? is it obsolete? |
| 02:08.58 | asg | abrotman: it's better if you don't read them at all |
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| 02:09.06 | abrotman | wiebel: the SEE ALSO is useful |
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| 02:09.28 | abrotman | asg: i can't remember the last time i read or commented on slashdot |
| 02:09.31 | abrotman | erm .. read the comments |
| 02:09.38 | abrotman | i guess i could look :) |
| 02:09.52 | wiebel | abrotman, indeed, one of the best things in man-pages |
| 02:09.59 | abrotman | apprently about 9 months ago |
| 02:10.15 | abrotman | wiebel: see 'iwconfig' leads to 'wireless' |
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| 02:10.41 | abrotman | asg: i used to .. then #debian took all my time! |
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| 02:11.09 | black_13 | i need enough of kernel left over install the vmware tools how do i do that? |
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| 02:11.26 | Guerin | black_13: please try to speak english |
| 02:11.33 | asg | abrotman: you should code /dev/#debian as a new sink implementation |
| 02:11.34 | black_13 | sorry lots of beer |
| 02:11.35 | abrotman | black_13: dont' even try .. just use the one you alreasdy have |
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| 02:11.55 | wiebel | oh, is /etc/init/networking restart needed? |
| 02:11.55 | black_13 | Guerin, your criticism is valid |
| 02:12.01 | abrotman | asg: we could get tarzeau to package it! |
| 02:12.10 | asg | black_13: install build-essental, modules-assistant. Run m-a prepare and then follow the vmware installation instructions. |
| 02:12.11 | Guerin | black_13: i'm glad you agree |
| 02:12.13 | black_13 | Guerin, 1) i need to insall the vmware host tools for a debian host |
| 02:12.20 | abrotman | wiebel: not required .. but it might make it sipmler for you |
| 02:12.26 | Guerin | black_13: #vmware |
| 02:12.36 | black_13 | Guerin, sorry i forgot |
| 02:12.38 | asg | abrotman: he'd package a boil if it was multi-player |
| 02:12.40 | wiebel | ok I'll try brb |
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| 02:12.50 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 02:13.05 | black_13 | Guerin, please dont be offended ... i dont want to lose all the happy times we have had |
| 02:13.11 | Guerin | !aww |
| 02:13.12 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 02:13.33 | asg | Guerin: black_13 sheep? Is there something we should be aware of? |
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| 02:13.59 | Guerin | black_13: you're at the `declaring love' stage of drunkenness. In my experience, you're about three beers away from being hospitalised. |
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| 02:14.24 | black_13 | whats so bad about peace love and ... |
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| 02:14.36 | abrotman | you're drunk |
| 02:14.41 | black_13 | Guerin, i got my back pay today |
| 02:14.48 | mptech | what does the "File Server" task install? |
| 02:14.49 | Guerin | asg: www.imdb.com/title/tt0779982/ |
| 02:14.50 | mptech | samba? |
| 02:14.53 | black_13 | 6 weeks of back pay |
| 02:14.59 | Guerin | huzzah! |
| 02:15.14 | black_13 | no more ramen noodles |
| 02:15.15 | abrotman | mptech: probably .. man tasksel .. tasksel --list-packages fileserver or whatever it's called |
| 02:15.19 | Guerin | hey |
| 02:15.25 | Guerin | don't be dissin' on the noodles |
| 02:15.35 | Guerin | though I have to say |
| 02:15.42 | asg | Guerin: I hope netflix has it |
| 02:15.49 | Guerin | the ramyeon they have outside asia are almost completely useless |
| 02:15.54 | mptech | abrotman, I've no installed debian system to do that from |
| 02:16.05 | mptech | and iirc, the install disc doesn't include man |
| 02:16.26 | Guerin | mptech: does so too |
| 02:16.27 | Spyro_boy | If anyone is up for BZFlag: we're organziing a party in: tangent.cluenet.org 5154 :D |
| 02:16.27 | asg | Guerin: score! they do. |
| 02:16.33 | Guerin | asg: winnah! |
| 02:16.35 | abrotman | mptech: samba and nfs and a few others |
| 02:16.41 | Guerin | asg: (I haven't seen it yet) |
| 02:16.43 | mptech | thanks |
| 02:16.55 | Guerin | Spyro_boy: don't spam |
| 02:17.03 | Spyro_boy | Guerin, eh? |
| 02:17.07 | abrotman | it is! |
| 02:17.11 | Spyro_boy | I was inviting people for fun :( |
| 02:17.13 | Spyro_boy | I'm sorry. |
| 02:17.25 | asg | Guerin: oops, I was going to recommend it to all my netflix friends but ... "We're sorry, some parts of the Friends feature are temporarily unavailable." |
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| 02:17.29 | Guerin | Spyro_boy: you're lucky not to get sued for sexual harrasment |
| 02:17.42 | Spyro_boy | :/ |
| 02:18.00 | Guerin | asg: hah, wtf use is a friends list if you can't recommend stuff to friends? |
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| 02:18.44 | asg | Guerin: I guess I'll just have to cowsay spoopin a link |
| 02:19.03 | Guerin | cowsay --sheep! |
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| 02:20.25 | CaT[tm] | ok. how can I make apt realise that libasound2 really is available. |
| 02:20.53 | asg | Guerin: he got the super milker instead |
| 02:21.16 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: why does it think otherwise? |
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| 02:21.33 | CaT[tm] | guerin: Package libasound2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 02:21.39 | abrotman | so it's not available |
| 02:21.41 | CaT[tm] | yet it does show up on an apt-cache show |
| 02:21.46 | black_13 | well #vmware is dead as a post |
| 02:21.52 | abrotman | CaT[tm]: and apt-cache policy ? |
| 02:21.56 | abrotman | black_13: they just know you're drunk |
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| 02:22.14 | black_13 | abrotman, im sobering up |
| 02:22.17 | jeffwheeler | From /., couldn't ZFS already run in FUSE? |
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| 02:23.01 | abrotman | ask #zfs ? |
| 02:23.32 | jeffwheeler | With all of twelve people. :) I'll try #fuse. |
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| 02:23.37 | wiebel | nope didn't work i even changed the wlan-ng if-pre-up script |
| 02:24.11 | nse | hey wati is up |
| 02:24.15 | CaT[tm] | abrotman: no candidates but the package is available and listed in the version table and other packages have it listed as dependencies. |
| 02:24.32 | abrotman | guess what .. not installable |
| 02:24.33 | asg | Guerin: "That the premise for this movie was even conceived is baffling. That is was able to be successfully made into an entertaining, feature-length film that is destined for cult status makes me believe that there is hope for mankind. Take a visit to the rolling, scenic, vistas of New Zealand with all the new age environmentalism, sheep phobia, evil were-sheep, and blood and guts you can take. Hilarious!" |
| 02:24.37 | wiebel | nope didn't work i even changed the wlan-ng if-pre-up script |
| 02:24.48 | nse | i know we do it very well |
| 02:24.48 | CaT[tm] | one sec. a clue dawned |
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| 02:25.02 | wiebel | where do i have to put the wireless-essid? |
| 02:26.06 | nitro4ce | which browser is better? firefox or opera? |
| 02:26.06 | CaT[tm] | /s my bad |
| 02:26.06 | CaT[tm] | it's all good now |
| 02:26.15 | wiebel | if i put it between "allow-hotplug wlan0" and "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" it doesn't work at all |
| 02:26.54 | Guerin | wiebel: man interfaces |
| 02:26.54 | Guerin | wiebel: in a post-up statement |
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| 02:27.06 | abrotman | CaT[tm]: isn't that you ? |
| 02:27.23 | wiebel | Guerin, shouldn't it be a pre-up one? |
| 02:27.23 | stew | CaT[tm]: easy. this is a volunteer project |
| 02:27.26 | CaT[tm] | abrot: nope. I didn't write it and didn't argue against it in a bug report. |
| 02:27.37 | CaT[tm] | stew: I know. doesn't mean I can't get annoyed. :/ |
| 02:27.44 | Guerin | wiebel: ISTR it not working until the interface is up. |
| 02:27.57 | stew | CaT[tm]: please remove the softare from your system if it annoys you and you don't appreciate the volunteer work |
| 02:28.18 | Guerin | wiebel: interfaces stanza syntax is quite specific |
| 02:28.25 | CaT[tm] | stew: oh do get over it. I just have. |
| 02:28.32 | stew | CaT[tm]: otherwise, please file a patch with a wishlist bug. /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 02:28.51 | Guerin | wiebel: you put a pre-up statement AFTER the iface statement |
| 02:28.57 | stew | CaT[tm]: i volunteer for this project, I don't appreciate that some people might want to stab me for it |
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| 02:30.32 | wiebel | Guerin, ok i had put it before and after the "allow-" "iface.." sequence or must ithere be now blank line in between? |
| 02:31.21 | abrotman | stew: unfreeze the game! |
| 02:31.26 | Guerin | wiebel: ffs, this is documented in the manual page. up, pre-up, post-up, etc. statements always go AFTER the iface statement |
| 02:31.39 | nse | hey let's all do it. a i have a lot of maths here... |
| 02:31.44 | CaT[tm] | hrm. interesting. udev didn't get installed for me on upgrade. wonder what triggered that. |
| 02:31.49 | stew | abrotman: mrs. stew has YES on |
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| 02:32.07 | abrotman | stew: ew! .. the sox game is stuck on the top of the seventh |
| 02:32.10 | nitro4ce | hi |
| 02:32.25 | nitro4ce | what0s the name of the bot? |
| 02:32.38 | abrotman | argh .. too much time when you try to enter 'boston.com' for a City or Zip |
| 02:32.40 | stew | abrotman: oh, aparantly she's watching that game on her laptop too |
| 02:32.49 | wiebel | ok thx Guerin , brb |
| 02:32.50 | Guerin | nitro4ce: HAL |
| 02:33.20 | abrotman | nitro4ce: why? |
| 02:33.31 | nitro4ce | need info |
| 02:33.34 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 02:33.45 | abrotman | did you try asking #ubuntu ? |
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| 02:33.57 | nitro4ce | yes |
| 02:34.03 | Guerin | try harder |
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| 02:34.13 | nitro4ce | why? |
| 02:34.22 | abrotman | nitro4ce: which version of linux do you need help with ? |
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| 02:35.27 | nitro4ce | abrotman: the version of linux is not _that_ relevant for what i need. but i think 2.6.* will do.. |
| 02:35.38 | abrotman | and waht's your actual question ? |
| 02:36.04 | nitro4ce | just want to know what's better browser. firefox or opera? |
| 02:36.12 | abrotman | opera isn't in debian |
| 02:36.15 | abrotman | neither is firefox |
| 02:36.24 | nitro4ce | i see |
| 02:36.30 | abrotman | does that help you? |
| 02:36.41 | nitro4ce | not that much |
| 02:36.42 | lanchow | nitro4ce, iceweasel |
| 02:36.47 | stew | nitro4ce: a fork of firefox is in debian. opera isn't at all free software, so by debian standards, its no good |
| 02:36.47 | abrotman | !best |
| 02:36.47 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 02:36.51 | predder | nitro4ce, if you're on debain look into iceweasel. It is the debian replacement |
| 02:36.58 | abrotman | stew: it's free ... not Free |
| 02:37.00 | wiebel | Guerin, it doesn't work, if i make a networking restart while card is loading i get a "wlanctl-ng: Operation not supported" which is funny, as wlan-ng isn't involved at all |
| 02:37.15 | predder | the debian replacement for firefox* |
| 02:37.49 | stew | i am |
| 02:37.57 | nse | !iceweasel |
| 02:37.57 | dpkg | i heard iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 02:38.04 | Guerin | wiebel: i have no idea what wlan-ng is, or why you need it, since you can do all you need to in iwconfig and interfaces. |
| 02:38.11 | abrotman | stew: i didn't say it was a bad thing! |
| 02:38.33 | Guerin | deal! |
| 02:38.44 | nitro4ce | abrotman: i hate that !best thing... |
| 02:39.02 | abrotman | nitro4ce: we don't like ubuntu users that come to #debian and expect help :) |
| 02:39.09 | Guerin | nitro4ce: we hate stupid questions, so we make things as annoying as possible for those who ask them. |
| 02:39.15 | nse | i agree, nitro4ce |
| 02:39.42 | nitro4ce | Guerin: why do you assume my questions are stupid? |
| 02:39.52 | nitro4ce | abritman: why do you asume i'm an ubuntu user? |
| 02:40.03 | nse | Guerin: but we don't do those stupid questions it without a reason |
| 02:40.04 | abrotman | why wouldn't you tell me which version of linux you're running ? |
| 02:40.17 | Guerin | nitro4ce: i don't assume; I can read. |
| 02:40.25 | abrotman | TBH .. the obvious answer to your question is to try them both and decide for yourself |
| 02:40.26 | wiebel | Guerin, exactly, iwconfig is enough but the linux-wlan-ng-pre-up in if-pre-up.d is fetching al wlan* devices, that's why i but an exit 0 before the whole thing,oh well i delete the complete wlan-ng thing .. |
| 02:40.36 | nitro4ce | Guerin: you say that my questions are stupid, so you are assuming that. |
| 02:40.55 | abrotman | nitro4ce: do you have a debian related question ? |
| 02:40.56 | Guerin | nitro4ce: not at all - I *read* your question, and saw it to be stupid. |
| 02:41.06 | Guerin | the fact that it's offtopic is another matter |
| 02:41.20 | Guerin | wiebel: badgers ;) |
| 02:41.34 | abrotman | yay .. game on! |
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| 02:41.55 | nitro4ce | Guerin: a question can never be stupid... |
| 02:42.06 | nse | well i have an affirmation: debian is the best thing humans do |
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| 02:42.27 | abrotman | nitro4ce: do you have a debian related question ? |
| 02:42.41 | nitro4ce | abrotman: not now, thanks for asking. |
| 02:42.42 | Guerin | nitro4ce: there is a school of thought that there are no stupid uestions, only stupid questioners ... is that what you're arguing? |
| 02:42.43 | nse | it's all related to debian |
| 02:42.50 | abrotman | nse: you're not helping either :) |
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| 02:43.11 | nitro4ce | Guerin: yes |
| 02:43.14 | nitro4ce | Guerin: :p |
| 02:43.18 | predder | To quote south park "there are no stupid questions - just stupid people" |
| 02:43.21 | nse | abrotman: sorry, i am just wondering |
| 02:43.31 | Guerin | nitro4ce: then I guess that makes *you* stupid, not the question. |
| 02:43.48 | tnks | I'm having a hard time understanding the utility of having more than one volume group; the lvm2 tutorials and howtos seem to only refer to the senario of only having one volume group. |
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| 02:44.19 | nitro4ce | Guerin: a person that makes stupid questions is not allways stupid |
| 02:44.35 | abrotman | jeez .. drop it already |
| 02:44.42 | Guerin | nitro4ce: but ... you said there's no such thing as a stupid *question*, so that's redundant. |
| 02:45.05 | predder | tnks, what do you mean by "the utility"? do you mean what reasons you would have to have more than one volume group? |
| 02:45.12 | tnks | predder: exactly. |
| 02:45.19 | tnks | the benefit. |
| 02:45.38 | nitro4ce | *always |
| 02:45.39 | nse | what makes a person to be stupid is the fact that this person do stupid things, like questions |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | the usefulness! |
| 02:46.07 | Guerin | nse: i think you mean `stupid is as stupid does' |
| 02:46.16 | gpm | oi |
| 02:46.27 | nitro4ce | nse: i dont agree |
| 02:46.43 | nse | Guerin: yes, that's what i mean! the language is the time |
| 02:47.11 | predder | tnks, well, the first thing that comes to mind is the volume group name determines the path on the system. So you could want to perform different actions on different lv's in different groups by referencing the path differently in your scripts |
| 02:47.14 | andre_ | guerin people go to different distro's because of people like you |
| 02:47.31 | Guerin | andre_: people stay with debian because of people like nitro4ce |
| 02:47.34 | cafuego | andre_: but Guerin is also the reason the berlin wall came down |
| 02:47.37 | nse | nitro4ce: why a person would be stupid if it do not do stupidities? |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | nse: stop already |
| 02:47.52 | nitro4ce | nse: maybe he is joking?? i don't know.. |
| 02:48.49 | tnks | predder: this is totally new to me, the idea of "volume groups determining the path on the system", and maybe even contrary to what I interpretted from the howto. |
| 02:49.00 | predder | tnks, I suppose actually the primary reason would be to do with assigning different PV's to the different volume groups |
| 02:49.13 | predder | ignore what I said before, that's not a really good reason |
| 02:49.17 | abrotman | predder: can't you take volume snapshots ? |
| 02:49.59 | andre_ | true people have to read and try to learn themselves and not be spoonfed the info, but newbies get confused , even with a simple distro like debian |
| 02:50.21 | predder | abrotman, I'm not sure |
| 02:50.23 | wiebel | Guerin, abrotman, thx it seems to work now ;) |
| 02:50.39 | abrotman | predder: i could see that as a reason (if you can) |
| 02:50.49 | Guerin | andre_: this discussion was nothing to do with that. |
| 02:50.57 | tnks | abrotman: so you are you implying that snapshotting happens at the volume group level? |
| 02:51.07 | abrotman | tnks: i'm asking! |
| 02:51.14 | tnks | okay. |
| 02:51.22 | predder | abrotman, oh! Well I'm sure it'd be a reason I recognised if I knew what volume snapshots were :) |
| 02:51.23 | cafuego | abrotman: the volume is snapshotted, not the group. |
| 02:51.54 | abrotman | cafuego: ah ok |
| 02:52.07 | abrotman | predder: an image basically |
| 02:52.33 | tnks | okay... but the idea of something happening at to an entire group /would/ help me understand when to have separate ones. |
| 02:52.36 | abrotman | i could have described that worse .. i think |
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| 02:53.03 | Quintin | I have decided today to make all my logins 'qmr' instaed of quintin. |
| 02:53.13 | Quintin | thi sshould save me at leats one month ofer my lifetime |
| 02:53.17 | abrotman | wait til tomorrow |
| 02:53.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:54.06 | Quintin | why has no one implemented something like on macos where when you close something, it stays in ram... why isn't that on linux? |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 02:54.40 | cafuego | Quintin: because apps on linux get closed when you close their windows. |
| 02:54.45 | predder | I dont know if that's a stab at memory leaks on macos or a serious feature request :) |
| 02:54.51 | stew | Quintin: kind of like a disk cache? |
| 02:54.51 | cafuego | Quintin: if you need them to syat in ram, minimise them. |
| 02:54.54 | abrotman | in OSX .. unless you actually quit the app .. it's still running .. just no active documents .. AIUI anyways |
| 02:55.01 | Quintin | stew: yes! |
| 02:55.05 | cafuego | abrotman: correct |
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| 02:55.25 | cafuego | Quintin: The libs the app uses at least are cached in ram. |
| 02:55.37 | stew | Quintin: yeah, linux does this. if you type "free" and look at the "cached" column, you'll see linux reclaiming some of your free ram for this purpose |
| 02:55.41 | Quintin | well, whateve ris cached , it means programs start up a million times faster |
| 02:55.42 | nitro4ce | nse: anyway, that's not debian related.. i think.. |
| 02:55.44 | minerale | can someone recommend me some utulity to track current bandwith usage & general network usage |
| 02:55.57 | Quintin | stew: it's not ntearly as fast os osx |
| 02:55.57 | predder | tnks - a real example? well if you have a database machine where every physical database on the system is stored in a seperate logical volume and you assign the PV for that VG to be your 15,000rpm scsi |
| 02:55.59 | Quintin | minerale: bmon |
| 02:56.03 | cafuego | Quintin: yes, the second time you start an app on Linux it starts much faster. |
| 02:56.16 | Quintin | cafuego: not as fast as on osx though |
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| 02:56.21 | predder | tnks, then you have a seperate volume group for your base system which uses the 80GB sata for example |
| 02:56.27 | abrotman | Quintin: i think you left your app running without an active document |
| 02:56.39 | cafuego | Quintin: On OSx the app didn't quit. |
| 02:56.44 | predder | that's one real world example for wanting different volume groups.. where the physical volumes are different |
| 02:56.54 | Guerin | if you want to start the thing again, why did you quit it? |
| 02:56.55 | cafuego | Quintin: if you actually quit and restart it, you'll find OSX is no quicker than Linux. |
| 02:56.58 | Quintin | right, exactly. it closes and doesn't have any open files. |
| 02:57.10 | abrotman | so it's not 'closed' |
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| 02:57.22 | Quintin | look, I don't give a fuck about semantics |
| 02:57.27 | Guerin | no |
| 02:57.32 | Guerin | you want OSX |
| 02:57.33 | Quintin | my point is , you open said application again, and it is much faster starting |
| 02:57.35 | Guerin | so use OSX |
| 02:57.43 | cafuego | Quintin: it's still there, using ram that can't be freed. It's a tradeof. |
| 02:57.43 | predder | Quintin, at the expense of memory. |
| 02:57.46 | Quintin | this is really cool ! nd I don't see why it's not been done on windows and linux |
| 02:57.49 | stew | Quintin: yeah, it should be similarly fast in linux |
| 02:57.50 | Guerin | Quintin: solution: don't cose the fucking thing in the first place |
| 02:57.53 | stew | Quintin: it is |
| 02:57.58 | Quintin | predder: with a good VM subsystem, that does'nt matter much |
| 02:58.19 | cafuego | Quintin: No, it doesn't restart on OSX. if you do'n t quit the app on Linux it's also immediately there. You're comparing apples and oranges. |
| 02:58.24 | predder | well at some point you still need the disk space to allocate the virtual memory |
| 02:58.35 | Guerin | what you want is for everything to be mandatorily reduced to an invisible system tray |
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| 02:59.18 | Quintin | wha tI want, is s asuper duper responsizve desktop |
| 02:59.22 | cafuego | it would be fairly trivial to do probably, on close, make X set all of $APPs windows to invisible. on $APP start, make them visible again. |
| 02:59.33 | abrotman | Quintin: MinuetOS :) |
| 02:59.34 | cafuego | Quintin: Add ram, don't quit applications. |
| 02:59.49 | stew | Quintin: start looking at the kernel caching code, see if you can find ways to imporove it |
| 02:59.50 | Quintin | nope, not good enough. then the applications are cluttering stuff |
| 02:59.57 | abrotman | he could also prelink |
| 03:00.09 | Quintin | there is 'alltray'... but that's a bit of a hack |
| 03:00.09 | abrotman | Quintin: use more desktops ? |
| 03:00.14 | cafuego | Quintin: if you need Linux to be OSX, that's unlikely to happen (ever). |
| 03:00.14 | gpm | what a whiner |
| 03:00.20 | Guerin | Quintin: not if they're invisble, or you use multiple desktops |
| 03:00.25 | Quintin | I've done prelink , it helps a bit with some things |
| 03:00.34 | nitro4ce | Guerin: what are 'people like me' like? |
| 03:00.39 | cafuego | Maybe gentoo would be better, that's faster, isn't it? ;-) |
| 03:00.42 | Guerin | Quintin: you could configure the `close' button to do `send to virtual desktop 3' |
| 03:00.46 | Quintin | gpm: whiner? bullshit. I really don't get why this isn't implemneted in other OSes |
| 03:00.56 | gpm | so implement it |
| 03:00.58 | cafuego | Quintin: Because it wastes ram. |
| 03:00.59 | gpm | and quit *whining* |
| 03:01.05 | Guerin | !beer gpm |
| 03:01.09 | abrotman | Quintin: have you tried every WM/DE in linux .. one might just do it |
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| 03:01.17 | Quintin | cafuego: gentoo .. speed fidifference with gentoo is that it takes a bajillion times longer to get to a usable system :p |
| 03:01.20 | gpm | Guerin: thanks |
| 03:01.33 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:01.40 | Quintin | gpm: fuck off. that high and mighty "well submit a patch" is a total waste of time. |
| 03:01.43 | cafuego | Quintin: Keeping 200mb of ram locked for an app that's not doing anything is extremely wasteful and overall slower. |
| 03:01.43 | stew | gpm: please keep it constructive. |
| 03:01.44 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:01.46 | stew | Quintin: drop it |
| 03:01.50 | Guerin | nitro4ce: people who use ubuntu but ask in #debian; people who think `what's the best ____?' is a decent question, people who whine and bleat and moan when people tell them their approach isn't appreciated. |
| 03:02.04 | nitro4ce | Guerin: *wrong* |
| 03:02.06 | gpm | stew: i try, but sometimes my temper gets the better of me. |
| 03:02.13 | Quintin | cafuego: yes, but is there really a problem as long as the VM is well designed? |
| 03:02.27 | Guerin | nitro4ce: well, since you did all those things, I fail to see *how* it's wrong. |
| 03:02.39 | nitro4ce | Guerin: no. i never used ubuntu |
| 03:02.49 | abrotman | nitro4ce: so which distro are you using? |
| 03:02.49 | Guerin | Quintin: VMs are complicated and make a bunch of overhead |
| 03:03.02 | nitro4ce | abrotman: gentoo. |
| 03:03.06 | Guerin | nitro4ce: oh, abrotman said you did. if that's untrue then I retract it. |
| 03:03.10 | Guerin | oh |
| 03:03.10 | abrotman | --- [nitro4ce] #ubuntu #debian |
| 03:03.12 | cafuego | Quintin: maybe not, but changing all that *now* is probably a lot more work that anyone is prepared to put in for a feature one single person appears to want. |
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| 03:03.18 | Guerin | s/ubuntu/gentoo/ then |
| 03:03.23 | abrotman | nitro4ce: which is where my assumption came from |
| 03:03.27 | Quintin | cafuego: I think it is more than one single person ;) |
| 03:03.29 | Quintin | w/win |
| 03:03.31 | abrotman | not that gentoo is any better :) |
| 03:04.04 | cafuego | Quintin: Well, try your lock on gnome/kde/X devs and see what they say :-) |
| 03:04.11 | cafuego | s/lock/luck/ |
| 03:04.17 | Guerin | Quintin: how does my solution not do what you want? |
| 03:04.19 | stew | Quintin: the kernel is already trying to use every bit of available memeory for caching |
| 03:04.39 | Guerin | Quintin: banishing things to a distant virtual desktop, then recalling them? |
| 03:04.41 | Quintin | Guerin: what you suggest would probably do most of what's needed |
| 03:04.41 | minerale | quintin: is there any way I can have bmon tell me the processes -- individuall |
| 03:04.56 | Guerin | Quintin: the only problem I can see is a transparent way of getting things back |
| 03:05.05 | Guerin | but this must be trivially doable |
| 03:05.11 | Quintin | minerale: I don't believe so. it's just going to tell you usage. you can build a studly router, and have that do monitoring by /IP/port etc |
| 03:05.24 | nitro4ce | abrotman: i know that you assumed that i was an ubuntu used because of my channels on irc. but it's ok. :p |
| 03:05.25 | Quintin | Guerin: well, and closing any open files |
| 03:05.38 | nitro4ce | abrotman: *user |
| 03:05.44 | abrotman | nitro4ce: though ..your question was OT whether it was gentoo or ubuntu :) |
| 03:05.51 | Guerin | q`right, that wouldn't be doable at WM level, currently |
| 03:05.57 | Quintin | speaking ov virtual desktops, I'm not seeing in macos yet how to do that :p |
| 03:05.59 | Guerin | it'd have to be built into a toolkit |
| 03:06.03 | Quintin | and expose sucks compared to beryl |
| 03:06.14 | cafuego | Quintin: OSX has some 3rd party virtual desktop apps |
| 03:06.27 | gpm | are we talking about "Spaces" now? |
| 03:06.35 | gpm | nm |
| 03:06.50 | Quintin | some of the stuff in it is rather exciting. but it just feels better th o use something free. I will probably stick with debian /ubuntu.. not sure yet |
| 03:06.52 | nitro4ce | abrotman: yes.. :p |
| 03:07.09 | abrotman | welcome to #not-debian :) |
| 03:07.17 | Guerin | Quintin: hey ... you were saying you didn't give a rat's arse about free, just yesterday |
| 03:07.23 | cafuego | Quintin: the only thing i have that starts really slowly is openoffice, and with the quickstarter that problem goes away |
| 03:07.27 | Guerin | how dare you change your mind! |
| 03:07.42 | Quintin | Guerin: as long as it's free to me. and mostly legeal. macos is the formaer, not hte latter |
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| 03:07.58 | abrotman | osx is free to you ? |
| 03:08.06 | Guerin | Quintin: because you run it on non-crappleware? |
| 03:08.17 | Guerin | abrotman: OSX: free or legal: pick one ;) |
| 03:08.20 | Quintin | cafuego: yea, ooo, is freacking SLOW. with quickstart even on an older machine it opens pretty quick. only takes like 20m of ram |
| 03:08.31 | abrotman | ah well |
| 03:08.38 | Quintin | Guerin: exactly. just a standard p4 box |
| 03:08.41 | nitro4ce | ok bye people. thanks for being _nice_ :p |
| 03:08.51 | Guerin | nitro4ce: you're welcome |
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| 03:09.01 | abrotman | not the ehad! |
| 03:09.06 | cafuego | ehad!!! |
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| 03:09.13 | abrotman | argh .. sleepy! |
| 03:09.14 | Guerin | he'll end up edad! |
| 03:09.18 | gpm | egads |
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| 03:10.09 | black_13 | im back |
| 03:10.14 | gpm | in black |
| 03:10.18 | gpm | sorry :/ |
| 03:10.25 | black_13 | how do i install the vmware tools in a debian guest o/s |
| 03:10.33 | Quintin | Guerin: the slowest app I have right now is firefox. I've worked around that though by running alltray, and keeping a FF window with nothing in it open in alltray. no idea why, but win32 FF is waaayyy faster than linux ff |
| 03:10.33 | Guerin | !vmware |
| 03:10.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 03:10.49 | black_13 | !Guerin |
| 03:10.56 | Guerin | Quintin: c++ is probably the reason for that |
| 03:11.00 | Quintin | black_13: read the manual, it's pretty simple. mount /dev/hda /mnt cd /mnt tar xzf vmware-<tab> ... |
| 03:11.10 | gpm | mmm, freedom |
| 03:11.18 | Guerin | Quintin: same as why oo.o and kde are very slow to start |
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| 03:11.24 | black_13 | Quintin, it hangs when its trying to find /usr/src/linux/include |
| 03:11.32 | Quintin | black_13: 'it'? |
| 03:11.36 | cafuego | Quintin: got any ff extensions loaded? |
| 03:11.38 | nse | Guerin: what is oo.o? |
| 03:11.45 | gpm | open office |
| 03:11.52 | Quintin | black_13: does that exist? do you have kernel headers installed? |
| 03:11.52 | gpm | (.org) |
| 03:12.02 | black_13 | Quintin, yeah |
| 03:12.02 | Quintin | cafuego: just a few. flashbolck, and web dev toolbar |
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| 03:12.19 | cafuego | Quintin: there's your slowness; probably does update checks each start |
| 03:12.24 | black_13 | apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.18 |
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| 03:12.25 | Guerin | black_13: got your /usr/src/linux symlinked right? |
| 03:12.45 | black_13 | Guerin, to the kernel headers? |
| 03:12.48 | Guerin | linux-headers |
| 03:12.51 | Guerin | yes |
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| 03:13.54 | black_13 | linux -> linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 03:14.53 | black_13 | i think the is with problem is /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 03:17.24 | black_13 | i think the vmware installer gets stuck on the symbolic links in /lib/modules |
| 03:17.50 | Quintin | black_13: you might need full kernel source. I'm not sure |
| 03:17.58 | gpm | i like qemu |
| 03:18.03 | gpm | :P |
| 03:18.12 | black_13 | gpm, good for you |
| 03:18.17 | Quintin | qemu works, but much slower than vmwre |
| 03:18.25 | gpm | black_13: yeah, it is. |
| 03:18.32 | black_13 | its slow |
| 03:18.53 | gpm | i'm not saying you should use it, i'm just saying it does the trick for me |
| 03:19.01 | gpm | (i'm bored) |
| 03:19.02 | Quintin | black_13: have you used kqemu? |
| 03:19.23 | black_13 | its performance still didnt come close to vmware |
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| 03:22.44 | Crypticfortune | when a package (like what im concerned with now is enigmail) hasn't kept up with upstream releases for the last 5 monthes, what's the appropriate thing to do? |
| 03:23.02 | Quintin | bitch? |
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| 03:23.19 | Quintin | pretty easy to get at most maintainers. you could try package ing it yourself |
| 03:23.36 | Crypticfortune | to the maintainer? |
| 03:23.44 | Quintin | no. to congress. |
| 03:23.49 | gpm | < Quintin> gpm: fuck off. that high and mighty "well submit a patch" is a total waste of time. |
| 03:23.50 | Quintin | write your state senator |
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| 03:24.22 | Quintin | gpm: it was a suggestion of a possibility, not a demand, as you were making. |
| 03:24.36 | Quintin | also, not my first suggestion. |
| 03:24.44 | Quintin | Crypticfortune: have you tried emailing the maintainer? |
| 03:25.54 | Crypticfortune | Quintin: nope. just wondering if that was the appropriate thing to do..... |
| 03:26.34 | Quintin | Crypticfortune: dunno. it's what I would do, at least |
| 03:26.42 | Crypticfortune | and in case my hostname didn't give it away: i don't have a state senator.... |
| 03:26.45 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: the smartest thing to do is probably ask on the debian-user mailing list |
| 03:27.23 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: you could also ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:27.38 | Crypticfortune | Guerin: thanks |
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| 03:38.17 | smacnay | Hi, I am trying to install tetex-bin in "testing" but get an error "/var/lib/dpkg/info/tetex-bin.postinst: line 948: /usr/share/tex-common/tetex-bin-upgrade: No such file or directory" - is the tetex package borked right now or undergoing a transformation to texlive? |
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| 03:47.54 | Guerin | smacnay: yes, tetex is deprecated in favour of texlive. |
| 03:48.21 | Guerin | smacnay: were you not able to grab the extra packages for testing's texlive from unstable? |
| 03:48.41 | smacnay | Guerin: thanks for the clarification - seems texlive is not ready to install in testing without backporting to sid (which I won't do). I will go without for now, I guess. |
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| 03:49.35 | Guerin | smacnay: mm, ok, the sid texlive packages need built to run on testing? That's a hell of a lot of work. |
| 03:49.51 | Guerin | sometimes, if you're lucky, you can just install them and hope |
| 03:50.11 | Guerin | but if there's a libc difference that changes matters |
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| 03:50.36 | Guerin | one easier way might be to install a stable chroot including texlive and nothing much else |
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| 03:56.16 | smacnay | Guerin: true - I am going to limit my headaches and just wait for now. I made the mistake of removing the tetex I was using. I cannot reinstall now. |
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| 03:56.49 | chowmeined | hello, im trying to setup ipsec with racoon and ipsec-tools but when i start racoon it says "Bus error" and quits |
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| 04:13.23 | saleyk | hi |
| 04:13.42 | saleyk | should i use any parameter to continue upload via wget? |
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| 04:16.35 | Guerin | -c ? |
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| 04:17.01 | saleyk | there isn't parameter "-c" |
| 04:17.23 | Guerin | smacnay: wget most assuredly does have a -c. |
| 04:17.25 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:17.30 | saleyk | when i use "wput file ftp://user:pass@host" it say "send failed" but i don't know why |
| 04:17.33 | Guerin | saleyk: ↑ |
| 04:17.46 | Guerin | saleyk: use a proper ftp client, such as lftp |
| 04:17.50 | metbsd | is there pastebin for .jpg? |
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| 04:18.00 | saleyk | lftp do same thing? |
| 04:18.02 | Guerin | metbsd: imageshack/flickr/etc? |
| 04:18.08 | Guerin | saleyk: lftp does anything |
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| 04:18.18 | metbsd | i want to show you guys a kernel panic |
| 04:18.23 | metbsd | but it's a screenshot |
| 04:18.37 | saleyk | Guerin is there a windows version of that :) |
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| 04:18.57 | Guerin | saleyk: i somewhat doubt it. |
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| 04:20.00 | saleyk | Guerin how can i search ftp clients that conutinue to uploading file partially |
| 04:20.24 | Guerin | saleyk: if you're using windows, why the fuck are you asking in #debian? |
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| 04:21.13 | saleyk | Guerin :) i was using wput |
| 04:21.23 | Guerin | so use lftp instead |
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| 04:22.00 | saleyk | but i was using wput on ms windows |
| 04:22.18 | Guerin | saleyk: so ... ask #windows for another client |
| 04:22.31 | Guerin | in any case, it's all off-topic here |
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| 04:24.23 | saleyk | thank you :) |
| 04:25.17 | smacnay | Guerin: -c -- was that for me? |
| 04:25.29 | Guerin | smacnay: no, sorry. |
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| 04:28.43 | CaT[tm] | has anyone had the problem where X will not let you start as a non-root user and all .xsession-errors has to say for itself is 'open: Permission denied'? |
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| 04:36.48 | CaT[tm] | weirdness increases. running 'X' works but running 'startx' or logging in via xdm does not. |
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| 04:42.26 | c2c2rock | 8-) |
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| 04:47.05 | ozatomic^ | what package i use to extract tbz? |
| 04:47.40 | unomi | CaT[tm], could it be trying to start a program it doesnt have perms for? as a part of your xinit? |
| 04:48.08 | metbsd | i need help about kernel panic: http://pastebin.com/932381 |
| 04:49.00 | CaT[tm] | unomi: I figured it out. I had sarge setup so that /tmp was tmpfs but in the upgrade to etch I let it nuke that config. this meant that /tmp wasn't 1777. once I fixed that all was groovy. :) |
| 04:49.30 | CaT[tm] | though... my aterms feel weird now. as if the font was... bigger. |
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| 04:50.17 | c2c2rock | ozatomic^: tar zxvf file.tgz |
| 04:51.05 | CaT[tm] | hrm. that might be because I'm not running the same res as before. whee! |
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| 04:53.01 | unomi | shift+numpad(-/+) can also change the size of the term |
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| 04:56.24 | metbsd | what's the most stable kernel in 2.6 |
| 04:57.29 | CaT[tm] | I run 2.6.21.x, 2.6.20.x, 2.6.19.x, 26.18.x and 2.6.16.x. all have been rock solid. |
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| 04:58.43 | CaT[tm] | woo! upgrade troubles sorted. happyness is a working etch :) |
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| 05:00.02 | maxamillion | CaT[tm]: etch is a beautiful thing |
| 05:00.15 | CaT[tm] | it is indeed. :) |
| 05:01.28 | maxamillion | lenny .... lenny is still young ;) |
| 05:01.52 | CaT[tm] | aye. I'm happy to wait for lenny to get out of the terrible twos and then the teenage years. :) |
| 05:02.49 | maxamillion | it is nice though, just a couple things here or there |
| 05:03.02 | CaT[tm] | oh? there are major differences already? |
| 05:03.42 | Guerin | yes, several, including libc 2.5 |
| 05:03.49 | Guerin | it's waaay past binary compatibility |
| 05:03.56 | CaT[tm] | yeah. I was thinking that'd bee a biggie. |
| 05:04.11 | CaT[tm] | I was thinking more in terms of usage differences. interface, features, etc. |
| 05:04.18 | maxamillion | CaT[tm]: and it has pidgin instead of gaim ... and there are a decent amount of changes in that ... some i like, some i don't dis-like ... just not used to :P |
| 05:04.19 | Guerin | well |
| 05:04.30 | Guerin | the softwar eis mostly still the same, just new versions |
| 05:04.53 | CaT[tm] | maxa: hehe. I use biltbee and my irc client for IMs and afterstep instead of a desktop manager :) |
| 05:05.44 | CaT[tm] | erm |
| 05:05.46 | CaT[tm] | bitlbee |
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| 05:06.50 | maxamillion | CaT[tm]: never heard of it .. i will look into it, at work i use fluxbox with centericq for aim and google talk, and irssi for irc ... at home i use xfce, gaim/pidgin and irssi, not much different just that my home machine is faster than my work machine :P |
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| 05:07.15 | CaT[tm] | I'm testriding xfce. so far I generally like. |
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| 05:08.16 | CaT[tm] | it's at work I use afterstep. |
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| 05:08.51 | maxamillion | i respect afterstep, but the shadowed lettering messes with my eyes |
| 05:09.06 | CaT[tm] | ah. yeah. agreed. I turned that off |
| 05:09.17 | CaT[tm] | no shadows. simple text. transparent titlebars and menues |
| 05:09.18 | maxamillion | i wasn't aware it could be disabled |
| 05:09.38 | CaT[tm] | lots of things about it can. it has a powerful yet interestingly documented config :) |
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| 05:09.43 | maxamillion | meh ... i don't need to go fiddling with my work machine, i would never get anything done :P |
| 05:10.08 | Guerin | i'd be several orders of magnitud emore productive at work if I didn't have to use windows |
| 05:10.18 | Guerin | felix: turn your announcer off |
| 05:10.29 | CaT[tm] | max: hehe. I did it bit by bit. over time it has turned out well. |
| 05:10.39 | Guerin | as it is, I speed myself up significantly by using firefox instead of ie |
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| 05:11.37 | CartoonCat | ok I think I just suffered a HD failure : boot count forced fsck : errors found : Is this a HD failure or a filesystem failure, or both? |
| 05:12.03 | maxamillion | Guerin: i have to use windows, i got a secondary older machine that i run debian on and use synergy to share the mouse and keyboard ... as long as i get my work done, my boss doesn't complain |
| 05:12.06 | endra | CartoonCat: my laptop did that, said something about an error and rebooting linux in 5 seconds, and then it booted up normally. |
| 05:12.29 | CartoonCat | endra, doesnt sound the same, mine didnt auto reboot |
| 05:12.38 | endra | CartoonCat: oh, well, mine's fine. |
| 05:13.10 | maxamillion | CartoonCat: fsck has the capability to fix some errors, try rebooting and see what happens ... if no good, then grab a live cd and try to salvage your data and then start running hdd tests with ultimate boot cd |
| 05:13.16 | CartoonCat | mine back up and looks fine but had lost directories and missing . and .. for some, so Something Very Bad happened |
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| 05:14.24 | Guerin | maxamillion: my workplace is hotdesked, due to differing hardware, so I can't even do that |
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| 05:15.10 | Guerin | CartoonCat: it could be either. |
| 05:15.11 | maxamillion | Guerin: oh ... ouch, yeah ... i'm still a college student and i just landed a student level part time systems admin position for my campus library technician department |
| 05:15.46 | maxamillion | Guerin: so i need windows to do my work-work and when i write random little programs or web apps for them i code it on the linux box |
| 05:15.52 | Guerin | maxamillion: yeh, see, I'm in a totally it-professional-free job, so people would just glaze over if i asked for anything special |
| 05:16.07 | maxamillion | Guerin: because sadly ... campus is windows dominated :/ |
| 05:16.08 | CartoonCat | Guerin, any way to figure it out? also, svn locked up on me today, maybe that had something to do with it (but its odd that the 30 boot count hit the same day) |
| 05:16.56 | Guerin | CartoonCat: hard to say. Bladblocks is the only way to test a disk's physical integrity properly ... fsck has already done the filesystem. |
| 05:17.04 | Guerin | bad, not blad |
| 05:18.18 | CartoonCat | hmm, well how do you test for bad blocks? never had a hd fail less than totaly |
| 05:18.27 | Guerin | CartoonCat: man badblocs |
| 05:18.29 | Guerin | k |
| 05:18.31 | Guerin | grr |
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| 05:19.46 | CartoonCat | Guerin, looks like you got my typing issues tonight |
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| 05:23.19 | unomi | i wanted to see xfce just for the true transparent Terminal included |
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| 05:23.32 | unomi | my flux is sweet tho |
| 05:23.46 | unomi | just the pseudo trans is a bit annoying |
| 05:23.51 | CaT[tm] | unomi: the terminal is good. bit slow on the scrolling imo but good. |
| 05:24.05 | unomi | i like the overlay concept |
| 05:24.22 | unomi | that you can do with true trans |
| 05:24.28 | CaT[tm] | I like something that vista does, which is to fuzz-up the bg through the transparency |
| 05:24.44 | unomi | but the thing is I want to see whats underneath |
| 05:25.00 | unomi | or id set the opaque/tint |
| 05:25.09 | CaT[tm] | so do I... just that sometimes the sharpness of it is distracting |
| 05:25.19 | unomi | i suppose |
| 05:26.00 | unomi | i tend to have alot of shells open, queues and traffic |
| 05:27.33 | CaT[tm] | me too. it's why my desktop is 2kx1.5k :) |
| 05:27.49 | unomi | heh |
| 05:27.55 | unomi | yeah i cant swing that |
| 05:28.03 | CaT[tm] | my visible is 1200x1024 |
| 05:28.05 | unomi | these are just halfdump routers |
| 05:28.10 | CaT[tm] | so it just pans around |
| 05:28.14 | unomi | dumb* |
| 05:28.53 | unomi | i like Eterm, tho its a bit big |
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| 05:29.13 | unomi | only one i knew could to some kind of trans |
| 05:29.17 | CaT[tm] | yeah. aterm works well for me. I used Eterm years ago and it just wasn't... right. |
| 05:29.23 | unomi | wow, yeah typing impaired |
| 05:29.41 | unomi | i take off all the fluff, my windows are unadorned |
| 05:29.56 | CaT[tm] | almost thesame. I find titlebars useful though :) |
| 05:29.58 | cast | CaT[tm]: can i see your Aterm config? |
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| 05:30.23 | CaT[tm] | cast: mine's all X resources. |
| 05:30.33 | cast | grep ^aterm ~/.Xdefaults, then |
| 05:30.49 | CaT[tm] | ok. just making sure it's what you wanted :) |
| 05:31.10 | westyvw | I have searched all over and still cant fix debconf's TERM not set. Can anyone help? |
| 05:31.20 | westyvw | happens during every update |
| 05:32.11 | CaT[tm] | cast: http://paste.debian.net/30928 |
| 05:32.16 | cast | thanks :> |
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| 05:32.57 | CaT[tm] | actually... for some weird reason I've been overriding that |
| 05:33.02 | unomi | i wrote a lil starter that gives me randomly hued terms |
| 05:33.04 | CaT[tm] | add aterm -tr -bgtype cut into the mix |
| 05:35.10 | westyvw | I dpkg-reconfigure debconf and that still doesnt help, how do I set term? |
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| 05:44.23 | westyvw | oh well its been this way for weeks, nothing on the net about it at all. what to do |
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| 05:52.31 | sleephood | I'm running debian Etch and I setup LUKS during install but now it doesn't appear to start when it used to. Anyone have any idea what this might be about? |
| 05:56.00 | cast | what did you use luks for? |
| 05:57.32 | sleephood | I used it for encrypting some partitions during install, at least thats what I understood myself to be doing |
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| 05:59.14 | cast | cat /etc/crypttab |
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| 06:01.43 | sleephood | I think I understand what I did. I was just abusing my init scripts :( |
| 06:02.10 | CaT[tm] | gah. i've lost the ability to get audio. foo |
| 06:02.11 | cast | hmm in my setup it appears cryptsetup-early does all the work |
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| 06:03.34 | smacnay | Can debian systems access ipod shuffle's to transfer files? |
| 06:04.03 | CaT[tm] | ipods yes. you can extrapol;ate from that if you want |
| 06:04.53 | prasukas | Hi, i have you offer, please REGISTER on this site http://www.havefriend.com is new dating site, and tell about this site to all your friend and invite all your friend to REGISTER thank you. |
| 06:05.43 | CaT[tm] | well... annoying. my audio is in 5.1 mode I think |
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| 06:06.58 | unomi | slightly dated screenshot: http://unomi.4shared.com/file/17367311/a0aebc5c |
| 06:08.03 | CaT[tm] | unomi: nice. also one of my favourite backgrounds. I have something similar but with title bars. |
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| 06:09.45 | unomi | now if only i had true trans =) |
| 06:09.51 | CaT[tm] | :) |
| 06:09.56 | CaT[tm] | you'd probably go mad :) |
| 06:10.24 | unomi | well, its interesting what you could do with layering, as opposed to multiple desktops |
| 06:10.47 | unomi | same basic mechanics just a different perspective |
| 06:10.52 | morteng | http://fr.pastebin.ca/578138 I don't know to resolve it |
| 06:11.01 | CaT[tm] | true. but unless you get what's behind hidden in such a way as to be visible but not in the way then you'll have issues |
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| 06:11.31 | unomi | you could tag windows |
| 06:11.41 | unomi | together, in groups |
| 06:11.51 | unomi | task oriented |
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| 06:12.22 | unomi | ok, so most people organize their desktops like that anyway, but still |
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| 06:12.38 | CaT[tm] | have you tried beryl, btw? |
| 06:12.43 | unomi | no, i havent |
| 06:12.49 | unomi | i actually dont use debian |
| 06:12.54 | CaT[tm] | give it a shot. it might be your biscuit. |
| 06:12.56 | unomi | only obsd |
| 06:13.05 | CaT[tm] | beryl might run on it |
| 06:13.05 | unomi | so beryl could be a bit iffy atm |
| 06:13.23 | unomi | no xgl on my obsd X |
| 06:13.37 | CaT[tm] | ah. yes |
| 06:13.58 | unomi | my friend is in the process of installing it tho he says |
| 06:13.58 | CaT[tm] | right. it helps to get audio if your two front channels aren't mysteriously muted and nulled. |
| 06:14.08 | unomi | thats actually why i came here, to find him |
| 06:14.15 | CaT[tm] | ah :) |
| 06:14.32 | unomi | debian is my fave linux tho |
| 06:14.40 | CaT[tm] | ditto. |
| 06:14.41 | unomi | havent used it since woody tho |
| 06:14.49 | unomi | but good times |
| 06:14.56 | CaT[tm] | it has its issues but all-round it's the best I've tried so far. |
| 06:15.15 | unomi | i found it to be the most bsd'y linux i saw |
| 06:15.38 | unomi | as in slightly less convoluted than many distros seem to want to be |
| 06:16.02 | CaT[tm] | aye. it tries its best to be clean, neat and tidy. |
| 06:16.15 | unomi | obsd is lovely =) apart from when things are unsupported and you have to get your hands dirty and pray |
| 06:16.23 | CaT[tm] | hehe |
| 06:16.27 | unomi | and alien was cool |
| 06:16.29 | morteng | http://fr.pastebin.ca/578160 I think something can be wrong with my /etc/hosts |
| 06:17.26 | CaT[tm] | morteng: add localhost to the first line |
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| 06:18.14 | unomi | and do you have the "root.crt" ? |
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| 06:19.09 | unomi | not to proselytize or anything, but just for kicks, check out /etc/ of a bsd |
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| 06:19.40 | unomi | a lil more 'crud' on these days, but still only 2-3 files |
| 06:19.52 | unomi | for most uses |
| 06:20.03 | CaT[tm] | well where are the configs for the installed s/w kept? |
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| 06:20.17 | unomi | now that depends |
| 06:20.29 | unomi | there is /etc/X11 |
| 06:21.09 | unomi | somewhat rare i think for something to just put its conf file straight in /etc/ |
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| 06:22.21 | CaT[tm] | well, for single file configs it's ok imo. dirs should be used where the config goes beyond that. |
| 06:22.59 | unomi | i dont like it at all =) |
| 06:23.16 | unomi | the whole idea of an automated anything being able to mess with /etc/ hurts me deeply |
| 06:23.32 | CaT[tm] | debian's rather careful about it |
| 06:23.46 | unomi | well, at the end of the day its down to the user |
| 06:24.05 | unomi | i always tar -zxvf file -C ./ |
| 06:24.42 | unomi | i mean, untarring as root can change /etc/ |
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| 06:24.48 | CaT[tm] | erm. doesn't tar do that by default? |
| 06:24.57 | CaT[tm] | least gnut ar strips leading slashes afaik. |
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| 06:25.04 | bintut | hello all.. what tool can you recommend to create graphs |
| 06:25.06 | bintut | ? |
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| 06:25.35 | unomi | its just a force of habit |
| 06:26.00 | CaT[tm] | ah :) |
| 06:26.03 | dawn_chorus | bintut, i use OO Calc. |
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| 06:26.16 | unomi | what i mean to say is that i dont know that it doesnt. |
| 06:26.20 | cast | bintut: gnuplot |
| 06:26.32 | unomi | but i dont have to care either way, if i tell it to |
| 06:26.37 | CaT[tm] | well if not then changing current dir wont help much actually. :) |
| 06:27.08 | bintut | what is the easiest graphing tool to use when you want to create a graph like a pulse rate? |
| 06:27.10 | unomi | point? |
| 06:27.18 | unomi | i mean, ! |
| 06:27.44 | CaT[tm] | :) |
| 06:27.55 | bintut | dawn_chorus: can i do it in OO.org Calc like creating graphs like the pulse rate? |
| 06:28.38 | dawn_chorus | bintut, i'm not sure how to produce sinusoidals in OO Calc. |
| 06:29.22 | cast | dawn_chorus: create x vector and sin(x) it |
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| 06:29.39 | dawn_chorus | well there ya go. |
| 06:30.04 | dawn_chorus | you could add terms to create unique graphs, bintut |
| 06:30.46 | dawn_chorus | piece-wise even. |
| 06:30.48 | bintut | hhmm.. |
| 06:31.04 | dawn_chorus | it's the "easy" thing you may have trouble with. :) |
| 06:31.19 | cast | hmm, anyone think booting int xen is going to bung up my ipmasq pkg? |
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| 06:34.07 | eitan | Hello all. I just installed a new .ppd driver for my HP 2200d printer, and I can't seem to get debian to use that as the printer driver. Any suggestions? |
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| 06:36.14 | cdeeper | ? |
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| 06:44.02 | miizk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.33 | miizk | hey guys |
| 06:45.44 | miizk | i have a question about an error i am getting |
| 06:46.21 | miizk | File "/usr/local/share/screenlets/screenletsd.py", line 39, in ? |
| 06:46.21 | miizk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.21 | miizk | ImportError: No module named dbus |
| 06:46.39 | tralala | miizk, install python-dbus |
| 06:47.29 | tralala | miizk, or even better - read the requirements of the software you're trying to use |
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| 06:50.08 | skipjack | Hello |
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| 06:52.06 | skipjack | I have problem by enableing mod_tls for proftpd, knows someone issues about it? I running Debia 4.0 (etch) and I think the tls support will not activate by enabling it inside of the proftpd.conf, my clients connect all with tls and wehn I force them to connect with tls they say me that this mode is not supported by server |
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| 06:56.38 | ede | hello |
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| 06:57.00 | reber | hi |
| 06:57.26 | reber | I have an old pc with only serial mouse. What is the name of the device and the kernel module i need to load ? |
| 06:57.34 | reber | serial / db9 |
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| 06:57.55 | uniques | ttyS0-3 |
| 06:57.56 | ede | am wondering if someone knows if i can use usb to save settings in knoppix livecd |
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| 06:58.43 | reber | i tried /dev/ttyS0-1 it doesn't seems to work, uniques |
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| 07:00.14 | reber | cat /dev/ttyS0 / 1 and nothing on output |
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| 07:04.38 | kronic | I'm getting old: what's the package that contains ttfmkdir or the the util that creates fonts.scale (and the other 2 files) for true type fonts? |
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| 07:10.37 | Gigantic | kronic: Ghostscript-fonts-std |
| 07:11.07 | Gigantic | if it is about fonts, it's ghostscript :) |
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| 07:12.54 | kronic | cheers |
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| 07:20.56 | rossMoHaX | if app A requieres app B, if I delete A, how automaticaly delete B? |
| 07:21.10 | rossMoHaX | (if B doesn't needed by any other app) |
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| 07:22.13 | tralala | rossMoHaX, aptitude does this for you if B was automatically installed by A |
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| 07:23.14 | rossMoHaX | tralala: how could I find all apps that was installed by myself, not as dependencies? |
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| 07:25.37 | tralala | rossMoHaX, read the aptitude's user manual - it has powerful search abilities. Also see deborphan |
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| 07:27.22 | cydork | rossMoHaX: check /msg dpkg aptitude-fu |
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| 07:31.44 | waqjan | when booting 2.6.21-1-686, it hangs 'waiting for root file system |
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| 07:33.23 | qua_mike | where does emacs look for *.el files to load in debian? Or, how can I tell emacs to load some *.el files at a specified location? |
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| 07:34.50 | cdeeper | qua_mike .set the load-path in your .emacs |
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| 07:37.06 | metbsd | what's the version of debian 2.6 kernel |
| 07:37.11 | qua_mike | cdeeper, do you know the syntax off-hand? I don't remember I think it is something like (setq load-path "/blah/foo/")? |
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| 07:37.23 | cydork | metbsd: which debian? |
| 07:37.39 | rossMoHaX | cydork, tralala : thx a lot, works great |
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| 07:37.57 | metbsd | 4.0 |
| 07:38.00 | cydork | qua_mike: put this in your .emacs -> (setq load-path (cons "/path/to/dir/" load-path)) |
| 07:38.00 | Decepticon | metbsd i have 2.6.18+6 on debian etch |
| 07:38.34 | qua_mike | cydork, Thanks |
| 07:38.39 | qua_mike | cdeeper, Thanks |
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| 07:39.52 | cdeeper | qua_mike: here is mine ->(setq load-path (append load-path (list "*****"))) |
| 07:41.15 | qua_mike | Thanks |
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| 07:43.50 | blackba55 | how do i kill a user logged to my pc ? |
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| 07:45.42 | Adrian | blackba55: 'apt-get install slay' then 'slay username' |
| 07:45.45 | tralala | blackba55, by killing the user's login process |
| 07:46.06 | tralala | apparently there's a better way |
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| 07:46.49 | blackba55 | tralala: which is ? ... |
| 07:47.14 | tralala | what Adrian said |
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| 07:47.49 | cafuego | Just kill their login, not the user. |
| 07:47.53 | cafuego | hat would be illegal |
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| 07:48.56 | nemo | hats so should be illegal |
| 07:49.13 | nemo | except for melbourne cup. |
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| 07:49.45 | Adrian | imagine the melanoma problem if hats were illegal |
| 07:49.53 | nemo | melanoma should be illegal too then |
| 07:50.02 | cafuego | just stay inside, problem solved... |
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| 07:50.18 | nemo | wear upended couches above your head, suspended by hot-air baloons |
| 07:50.40 | Azar | wanna see how Ian is doing at Sun? :) |
| 07:50.45 | nemo | oh, time to run. |
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| 07:50.56 | Azar | democratic turbulence |
| 07:51.14 | cafuego | omen: snow today? |
| 07:51.20 | nemo | none that I saw |
| 07:51.24 | cafuego | hrm |
| 07:51.36 | nemo | it was sunny, but I aint checked the weather except when I was out to lunch and was surrounded by it |
| 07:51.42 | cafuego | heh |
| 07:51.49 | cafuego | it's a bugger like that |
| 07:52.10 | Azar | snowing in patagonia? |
| 07:52.20 | nemo | foecast is showers falling as snow above 900m... we're only at 500m or something here. |
| 07:52.28 | cafuego | neither of us are anywhere enar patagonia |
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| 07:53.09 | blackba55 | ok ... let me formulate ... how do i kill someone logged as root from putty for example ? |
| 07:53.10 | Azar | I wish technology be able to give us the ability to exchange weather occasionally |
| 07:53.14 | cafuego | nemo: last week: http://flickr.com/photos/allirussellpics (they live an hour out of canberra afaik) |
| 07:53.36 | Azar | blackba55: change the password? |
| 07:53.37 | cafuego | Azar: it's called 'jet aircraft' and it works fine, if a bit slow ;-) |
| 07:53.47 | nemo | cafuego: yeah, that bummed us out. L and I went to the snoies on sunday... and there was that on tuesday! |
| 07:53.47 | Azar | hehe |
| 07:53.56 | cafuego | d'oh |
| 07:54.26 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians. |
| 07:54.28 | nemo | blackba55: kill the pid of the shell they're on. that usually is effective |
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| 07:55.20 | nemo | have fun sir :) |
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| 07:58.57 | Guerin | there's snow on the akatarawa ranges, about 30m north of here |
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| 07:59.19 | Guerin | and there'll probably be more coming down in the next couple days, because that aussie cold snap is headed our way |
| 07:59.28 | Guerin | 30km, not 30m |
| 07:59.41 | Guerin | 30m nort of here is a rather smaller hill |
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| 07:59.46 | cafuego | Guerin: i was going to ask if you lived near a tall cliff ;-) |
| 07:59.52 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:00.10 | Guerin | i live about 20m above sea level |
| 08:00.12 | cafuego | maybe a couple of guys raising arms, hewn from the stone |
| 08:00.20 | cafuego | river running between 'em |
| 08:00.25 | cafuego | orcs in the woods |
| 08:00.27 | Guerin | the day it snows here is the day everyone in NZ packs up and moves to Tonga |
| 08:00.46 | Guerin | cafuego: that's not far from here, actually |
| 08:00.50 | cafuego | Guerin: meh, we had snow on the beach here last year |
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| 08:00.58 | Guerin | cafuego: yeah, that's madness |
| 08:01.01 | cafuego | anwyay |
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| 08:01.07 | cafuego | i have a restaurant and movie to catch |
| 08:01.11 | cafuego | have a good one |
| 08:01.13 | Guerin | catch away |
| 08:01.18 | Guerin | g'night |
| 08:01.26 | Azar | Guerin lives in paradise |
| 08:01.43 | Guerin | it could do with being a bit cheaper, but yeah, it ain't bad |
| 08:03.10 | waqjan | is there a way to make apt-get download some debs while installing others? |
| 08:03.24 | Guerin | waqjan: no |
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| 08:03.38 | j_ | hi |
| 08:04.05 | waqjan | should I file a wishlist bug for it? |
| 08:04.12 | Azar | waqjan: apt-get is not only downloading, but at the same time installing |
| 08:04.21 | Guerin | waqjan: you can, but it's pontless |
| 08:04.32 | j_ | please, how can I get the hd temperature value? |
| 08:04.42 | Guerin | !sensors |
| 08:04.42 | dpkg | methinks lm_sensors is a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. via kernel modules. apt-get install lm-sensors. For kernel 2.4 see the package description or lm-sensors-source. http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/ |
| 08:04.49 | Guerin | j_: ↑ |
| 08:04.52 | j_ | thx Guerin |
| 08:05.27 | Azar | my box is cool as a cucumber yet lm-sensors fill my syslog with alarms... |
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| 08:06.11 | Azar | I guess everything over 25C or 75F is triggering the alarm |
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| 08:08.56 | Azar | cool, printer support standardization on linux |
| 08:10.09 | Guerin | Azar: you're argentinian, no? |
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| 08:10.12 | Guerin | i forget |
| 08:10.16 | Guerin | or chilean? |
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| 08:12.59 | Azar | Guerin: no, born in romania raised in the u.s |
| 08:13.04 | Guerin | huh |
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| 08:13.18 | Guerin | how come I think you're from south america, then |
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| 08:13.35 | tralala | !fix Guerin |
| 08:13.37 | Azar | my funny spirit? |
| 08:13.43 | Guerin | perhaps |
| 08:13.48 | Azar | my good looks for sure |
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| 08:14.00 | Guerin | your gypsy eyes |
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| 08:14.45 | Azar | Guerin: I allways get the vision you are a zillionaire that bought some exotic island.. |
| 08:14.50 | michael____ | hello everyone |
| 08:14.51 | Guerin | hah |
| 08:15.04 | Guerin | couldn't be further from the truth |
| 08:15.04 | michael____ | hey can someone guide me step by step on how to enable the bootslash on debian linux. |
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| 08:15.22 | Guerin | michael____: google for a howto |
| 08:15.27 | Azar | you might have built your own island.. |
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| 08:15.53 | Guerin | michael____: it's non-trivial because it requires building a kernel, making it work with udev and such, and holding your tongue just right |
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| 08:16.23 | Guerin | Azar: i would *like* to have an island to myself. |
| 08:16.47 | michael____ | is there a chance i can frig up my linux os if i don't get this right? |
| 08:16.48 | Azar | Guerin: and I could be your naggy guest from time to time... |
| 08:17.03 | tralala | michael____, a very real one |
| 08:17.18 | Azar | michael____: but there is allways a chance to reinstall.... |
| 08:17.18 | michael____ | lol |
| 08:17.27 | Guerin | michael____: yeah, not so much the kernel, but the userspace side of things can be troublesome |
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| 08:17.41 | Guerin | michael____: try installing splashy, which does not require any kernel fucker-withery |
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| 08:17.55 | Azar | and there is nothing to lose.... you can brag you have tried to go where not too many dare |
| 08:18.06 | Guerin | not too many care, you mean |
| 08:18.29 | Guerin | no point in spending hours of your life making pretty screens you only see once a month |
| 08:18.30 | Azar | :) Guerin, your enthousiasm is chocking |
| 08:18.52 | Guerin | g'night, kiddiwinks |
| 08:18.54 | michael____ | i would really like to enable this thing but i have installed the kernel patch and some other shit and nothin ...then they tell me i have to do somethin more to the kernel |
| 08:18.57 | Azar | night Guerin |
| 08:19.02 | tralala | Guerin, you reboot every month?!? |
| 08:19.07 | michael____ | and i was like boy ..i should ask you guys |
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| 08:19.22 | michael____ | for a better guide |
| 08:19.28 | Azar | tralala: I am not Guerin but I reboot every 3-4 months |
| 08:19.42 | michael____ | Guerin: splashy right ok |
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| 08:20.19 | Azar | michael____: tell me... I try to find a comprehensive tutorial to learn how to burn CDs.... asked here... been 3 years.... no luck |
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| 08:24.02 | L0cKn | hi all :P |
| 08:24.16 | liable | Azar: dude, it aint *that* hard |
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| 08:27.03 | wols_ | Azar: insall k3b. open it. burn CDs. what's so hard? |
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| 08:32.29 | cast | wodim image.iso! i was amazed how easy that was. |
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| 08:33.26 | liable | indeed |
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| 08:39.30 | roccoo | hi, i have a problem with my ibook g3.... i changed the username, the name of the home and the password, but it gave me many problems so i reset name, password and home, but now i can't play mp3, avi, etc.... |
| 08:40.06 | cast | and this ibook is running debian? |
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| 08:40.15 | roccoo | yes |
| 08:40.21 | roccoo | runs well too |
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| 08:40.47 | cast | so what have you done exactly |
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| 08:41.04 | cast | in what files did you change the username? |
| 08:41.22 | roccoo | in the preferences i think |
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| 08:41.42 | roccoo | user information |
| 08:42.26 | roccoo | and then i gave mv to change the home name |
| 08:42.58 | cast | ahh. i can't help ya, i am not familar with whatever gui you used |
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| 08:43.36 | roccoo | it's strange that only codecs doesn't work |
| 08:43.46 | roccoo | everything is fine |
| 08:44.16 | wols_ | roccoo: what errors? what media playing app? |
| 08:44.35 | roccoo | all of them... amoarok, rythmbox, totem |
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| 08:45.04 | roccoo | say "xine can't find audio codecs" |
| 08:45.23 | tralala | !say "xine can't find audio codecs" |
| 08:45.24 | dpkg | "xine can't find audio codecs" |
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| 08:45.35 | roccoo | -.-'' |
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| 08:46.35 | wols_ | !info liblame0 etch |
| 08:47.45 | roccoo | it's a big problem because the computer is used only to play media |
| 08:48.23 | tralala | roccoo, strace it and see why it cannot find the codecs |
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| 08:50.20 | ma3x | hello i want to report this bug but i dont know to what package does it belong psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio2/input0 - driver resynched. psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio2/input0 lost sync at byte 4 |
| 08:50.59 | roccoo | i don't know why, what does "strace" mean |
| 08:51.24 | tralala | roccoo, man strace |
| 08:51.32 | roccoo | ok |
| 08:51.36 | metbsd | where is the bzimage at? |
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| 08:51.40 | metbsd | when i type make bzImage |
| 08:52.32 | wols_ | ma3x: kernel |
| 08:52.45 | wols_ | metbsd: you don't do make bzimage |
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| 08:52.54 | metbsd | why not |
| 08:53.08 | wols_ | cause we have kernel-package |
| 08:53.16 | metbsd | no.. |
| 08:53.22 | wols_ | suit yourself then |
| 08:53.22 | metbsd | i'm making a customized kernel |
| 08:53.34 | wols_ | yes and you use kerne-pakcage for a ucstomized kernel |
| 08:53.49 | metbsd | make-kpkg does not work |
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| 08:53.52 | metbsd | last time |
| 08:53.54 | artagnon | What are the precautions I must take before performing an lvreduce? |
| 08:53.55 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 08:53.55 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 08:54.07 | metbsd | i prefer to use compile kernel traditional way |
| 08:54.15 | ma3x | wols_, can you give a complete answer |
| 08:54.16 | cast | artagnon: shrink the fs first? :) |
| 08:54.17 | roccoo | omg i've never used strace |
| 08:54.19 | metbsd | i guess you don't do it |
| 08:54.26 | artagnon | cast: how is that done/ |
| 08:54.30 | wols_ | ok.then you're a traditionalist enough to know where bzimage is. it's no debian question anyways |
| 08:54.33 | ma3x | linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 |
| 08:54.36 | ma3x | is that it |
| 08:54.39 | cast | artagnon: you can't do it online, take it off line. some fs's cant be shrunk iirc |
| 08:55.05 | wols_ | ma3x: psmouse is part of your kernel. which is why it's the package to report the error for |
| 08:55.16 | GutterPunk | Hi. How can I quickly see how much space is used by an ftp account without downloading the files? the "site quota" command does not work since apparently quotas are enforced on the filesystem. Is there an equivalent of du -sch or something? |
| 08:55.17 | artagnon | cast: I know ext3 can't be shrunk online. I took it offline. Now what? |
| 08:55.20 | artagnon | ... and how do I find out how much space is in my VG is unallocated to LVs? |
| 08:55.30 | wols_ | ma3x: I don't know what krenel you run. but this is usually the kernel the installer installs for you, yes |
| 08:55.32 | cast | artagnon: vgdisplay will tell you free/allocated |
| 08:55.33 | artagnon | ie. available as free space |
| 08:55.53 | ma3x | wols_, so in that case it would be linux-image-2.6.18-4-486? |
| 08:55.54 | artagnon | cast: it's not telling me :P |
| 08:55.58 | ma3x | since that's the image I boot from |
| 08:56.07 | artagnon | cast: Free PE / Size 290 / 1.13 GB ? |
| 08:56.12 | cast | artagnon: i have never shrunk a fs before. i know how, but i'm not sure of it enough to tell you though |
| 08:56.18 | artagnon | cast: 1.13 GB is free? oh God |
| 08:56.37 | artagnon | cast: I'd better look up an ext3 manual before doing it then |
| 08:56.38 | wols_ | ma3x: I told you I dunno what kernel you run. I also gathe you have tried several different kernels cause I know you don't run a 486 |
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| 08:57.08 | ma3x | wols_, I just told you I DO! |
| 08:57.14 | cast | artagnon: just be really careful not to shrink the lv more than you shrunk the fs...i think thats the main danger |
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| 08:57.40 | wols_ | and I just you long ago where to report it. sevreal times. not my fault you don't understand a clear answer or what a time lag in irc is |
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| 08:57.59 | ma3x | wols_, and you could have said linux-image in the beginning |
| 08:58.03 | artagnon | cast: Okay. I'll note down the values |
| 08:58.08 | ma3x | I asked what package |
| 08:58.11 | ma3x | and you said kernel |
| 08:58.31 | artagnon | cast: I'm reading the resize2fs manpage |
| 08:58.36 | roccoo | ok... i don't have idea of how strace works (i'm very noob on debian), if someone could tell me the command to give... |
| 08:58.39 | ma3x | that could mislead me |
| 08:58.42 | cast | artagnon: well done ;) |
| 08:58.53 | wols_ | you are here long enough to know how to determine to which package the kernel belongs. if you can't do this, go and run windows. but make sure someone installs it for you since I'd doubt you could do it on your own |
| 08:58.58 | artagnon | huh? I haven't succeded yet :P |
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| 08:59.32 | tralala | roccoo, "strace xine 2> xine.log". Then you try to play something and when you see the error message you quit xine |
| 08:59.45 | roccoo | ok |
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| 09:01.46 | ma3x | it doesn't damn matter if im long enough here. if you're about to ask what package does it belong to, replying just "kernel" is wrong |
| 09:02.01 | Scurz | hello |
| 09:02.06 | artagnon | cast: Thanks for the tip. Catch you later. |
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| 09:02.09 | ma3x | it could mean kernel-package |
| 09:02.53 | Scurz | What is the module to load for using lm-sensors? |
| 09:02.58 | ma3x | and especially if someone is to report a bug, you should not mislead him |
| 09:02.59 | petemc | i doubt anyone would use kernel as an abbreviation for kernel-package |
| 09:03.42 | ma3x | well i asked him what package does it belong to and he said "kernel" |
| 09:03.45 | roccoo | xine couldn't "start" (can't translate in other words) any audio driver |
| 09:03.56 | ma3x | he could have said "linux-image" |
| 09:04.00 | Scurz | Or to compile the kernel, what |
| 09:04.09 | Scurz | is necessary to put in the .config ? |
| 09:04.17 | wols_ | anyone who don't know what a kernel is after that long and confuses it with kernel-package: go back to windows |
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| 09:04.25 | wols_ | roccoo: alsa working? |
| 09:04.28 | wols_ | !soundcheck |
| 09:04.28 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 09:04.36 | BlackDragon42 | Hello. |
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| 09:04.52 | roccoo | when i try to play something with mplayer he gives me 5-6 errors and then crashes |
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| 09:05.26 | roccoo | no,alsa doesn't work |
| 09:05.28 | ma3x | wols_, you could be playing something with alsa and if you run that cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp it would fail |
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| 09:05.49 | roccoo | but he doesn't work |
| 09:06.45 | roccoo | "function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" (alsa output) |
| 09:07.00 | ma3x | wols_, it also confused me because I querybts linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 and there were just 2 bugs reported. so I thought maybe this is not the right package to attritube the bug to |
| 09:07.35 | petemc | ma3x: you're kinda going on about this |
| 09:07.47 | ma3x | petemc, what do you mean |
| 09:07.49 | BlackDragon42 | So... What's going on? |
| 09:07.57 | petemc | ma3x: you're whining |
| 09:08.19 | ma3x | im not whining, you're not guiding me well |
| 09:08.31 | petemc | im not guiding you at all |
| 09:09.11 | petemc | and even if i was, this is volunteer support, if you dont like it, tough |
| 09:09.38 | Scurz | What is the module to load for using lm-sensors? Or to compile the kernel, what is necessary to put in the .config for using lm-sensors? |
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| 09:10.06 | ma3x | well i stated that i want to report a bug and providing the error and asked what package does it belong to |
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| 09:10.18 | ma3x | and he just typed kernel |
| 09:10.22 | wols_ | there is a lm-sensors package. and there is also a sensors-detect. |
| 09:10.27 | ma3x | what kind of a lazy answer is that |
| 09:10.34 | wols_ | there are lots of different sensors on mobos and each needs a different kernel module |
| 09:10.45 | Scurz | wols_: Yes, I know. |
| 09:10.57 | wols_ | if you know, why do you ask |
| 09:11.11 | ma3x | he could say something ilke " report the bug to the kernel image you're running or linux-image (uname -r)" |
| 09:11.15 | Scurz | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/30933 |
| 09:11.17 | wols_ | roccoo: how can you expect mp3s to paly when alsa doesn't work? |
| 09:11.39 | Scurz | wols_: I must to load a module or recompile the kernel for using lm-sensors... |
| 09:11.43 | wols_ | Scurz: and this is the output of what? also; it clearly says what to do |
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| 09:12.05 | Scurz | yes |
| 09:12.10 | wols_ | Scurz: have you searched for lm-sensors? |
| 09:12.18 | Scurz | where? |
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| 09:12.29 | Scurz | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/327 |
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| 09:14.06 | wols_ | !tell Scurz about search |
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| 09:14.36 | wols_ | so is lm-sensors installed? have you run sensors-detect? |
| 09:14.55 | Scurz | yes, lm-sensors is instaled |
| 09:14.57 | Scurz | +l |
| 09:15.11 | Scurz | oh, it's good |
| 09:15.14 | Scurz | thanks ;) |
| 09:15.30 | roccoo | this isn't powerpc support: ibm java doesn't work, i should compile it, but synaptic doesn't find some components, i find them on internet, but i have to compile them, and i don't know if they're for ppc, and when i try to compile them i have to search for other component, so i say "f**k you,java".... i want to watch some videos on youtube, and he says "download flash player on this site", i go on that site, and i find out there's n |
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| 09:16.19 | liable | BlackDragon42: turn your away script off dude |
| 09:16.41 | roccoo | and alsa worked some days ago, but now because i changed the user name he doesn't work as all of the codecs |
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| 09:17.21 | roccoo | the only thing i can do is obtaining errors |
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| 09:17.49 | Fahrenheit | roccoo : try : usermod -Ga user |
| 09:17.58 | Fahrenheit | sorry |
| 09:18.07 | Fahrenheit | usermod -Ga audio your_user |
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| 09:18.58 | roccoo | command not found |
| 09:19.25 | Scurz | aptitude install usermod ? |
| 09:19.40 | roccoo | no internet connection? |
| 09:19.42 | Scurz | hmm, no |
| 09:19.49 | Fahrenheit | roccoo : as root |
| 09:19.53 | Scurz | yeah |
| 09:19.56 | Scurz | :) |
| 09:20.06 | Fahrenheit | rocco : you have to do that as root |
| 09:20.22 | Fahrenheit | /usr/sbin/usermod |
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| 09:20.52 | tefflon | how to do I delete a folder even if its not empty ? |
| 09:21.01 | Fahrenheit | rm -rf the_folder |
| 09:21.13 | tralala | aptitude should run fine as a regular user regardless of the fact that install needs priviledges |
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| 09:21.39 | roccoo | group <<a>> unknown |
| 09:21.41 | tefflon | thanks Fahrenheit |
| 09:22.18 | Fahrenheit | roccoo : sorry, you should type usermod -aG audio your_user |
| 09:22.35 | roccoo | ok |
| 09:22.46 | metbsd | what's latest iptable version |
| 09:22.53 | tralala | Fahrenheit, roccoo, adduser user group does the same |
| 09:23.32 | roccoo | he did that, but xine still can't find the audio drivers |
| 09:23.43 | Fahrenheit | metbsd : 1.3.6 in sid |
| 09:24.35 | Fahrenheit | roccoo : In fact, I had the same problem and it was because my user wasn't in the audio group, so I did type this command, and after reconnecting it worked |
| 09:24.55 | Fahrenheit | roccoo : so maybe you should reconnect (to re-init your rights) |
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| 09:25.32 | roccoo | yes, maybe i should restart |
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| 09:26.06 | Fahrenheit | roccoo : or just deconnect / reconnect : If you are using kde / gnome just go to kdm / gdm and then reconnect |
| 09:26.07 | metbsd | if i want to use iptables in deb package, do i need to disable iptables in kernel? |
| 09:26.15 | liable | no |
| 09:26.25 | Fahrenheit | metbsd : no you should have it |
| 09:26.39 | metbsd | what do i need enable in my kernel in order to use deb iptables |
| 09:26.55 | roccoo | kde is luxury with a 333 mhz |
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| 09:28.09 | Fahrenheit | metbsd : in networking : networking options : netfitler : core netfiler : netfilter Xtables |
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| 09:28.43 | Fahrenheit | metbsd : it marked as required for iptables, but you should also activate the targets you want |
| 09:28.52 | BlackDragon42 | KDE wastes too many resources with a 333 Mhz CPU. |
| 09:29.08 | roccoo | that's what i was saying |
| 09:29.25 | BlackDragon42 | Try something more compact, like Blackbox. |
| 09:29.57 | Fahrenheit | roccoo : or xfce is realy nice |
| 09:29.59 | metbsd | dam it |
| 09:30.05 | metbsd | i finally find it |
| 09:30.10 | roccoo | gnome runs well |
| 09:30.19 | BlackDragon42 | Thats true, too. |
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| 09:30.48 | BlackDragon42 | But Gnome is more resource-hungry than KDE to me. |
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| 09:31.21 | Fahrenheit | metbsd : you also have to activate a few options, like packet filtering (assuming that you want to do packet filtering) in IP : netfiler config |
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| 09:31.56 | roccoo | now audio codecs works....the problem is that it's a mac-user family so i prefer gnome |
| 09:31.58 | BlackDragon42 | IceWM is pretty good, too. |
| 09:31.59 | metbsd | kde runs better for me |
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| 09:32.25 | roccoo | have to leave thank you for the help... |
| 09:32.45 | Fahrenheit | roccoo : np |
| 09:33.02 | metbsd | i thank you too, Fahrenheit |
| 09:33.14 | Fahrenheit | metbsd : ;-) |
| 09:33.14 | roccoo | the next crusade will be using a mac ipod.... |
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| 09:33.41 | BlackDragon42 | The one thing you got to love about Linux. All the choices... |
| 09:33.42 | Gigantic | anyone has support for asian fonts in tty ? |
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| 09:33.46 | Gigantic | (japanes) |
| 09:33.49 | Gigantic | e |
| 09:34.16 | metbsd | i can get chinese tty |
| 09:34.20 | metbsd | cuz im chinese |
| 09:34.22 | Gigantic | if so, what font you are using and it any unicode map, which |
| 09:35.31 | Gigantic | metbsd: using utf8 or eunc on big or ? |
| 09:36.29 | metbsd | zh-cn |
| 09:36.46 | Gigantic | metbsd: sin't ircing ilegal in China ? |
| 09:37.00 | metbsd | i don't know |
| 09:37.09 | metbsd | is it leagal in japan? |
| 09:37.15 | Gigantic | like wikipedia is |
| 09:37.19 | Gigantic | no |
| 09:38.12 | Gigantic | metbsd: misread... no it is not illegal :s |
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| 09:39.11 | metbsd | help me: no matter what i do: iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table 'filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
| 09:40.15 | Gigantic | metbsd: Do you have X? |
| 09:40.26 | Gigantic | metbsd: 'cause kmyfirewall help a lot |
| 09:40.38 | metbsd | no i dn't have x |
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| 09:40.47 | Gigantic | metbsd: there's guardog too, but I don't like it a bit |
| 09:40.49 | Fahrenheit | metbsd : If you compile this part of the kernel as a module and that you are running the same kernel as thos you use to compile thses module, then you have to user modprobe or insmod |
| 09:41.28 | metbsd | how do i do that? Fahrenheit |
| 09:41.45 | Fahrenheit | if you compile it in hard (intergrated into the kernel) you should be running the new kernel |
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| 09:42.13 | liable | shorewall helps if iptables confuses the shit out of you, like it does me |
| 09:42.29 | Fahrenheit | when you use menuconfig, if the current line begin with a M, then it will be compile as a module |
| 09:42.38 | metbsd | i press y for it |
| 09:42.54 | Fahrenheit | if the current line begin with a star, it's into the kernel image |
| 09:42.56 | liable | dont fuck with stuff in the netfilter section of the kernel.. |
| 09:43.09 | Fahrenheit | then you should reboot on the new kernel to activate that |
| 09:43.21 | metbsd | i already did, it's the new kernel that tells me |
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| 09:44.27 | Fahrenheit | in IP : Netfiler config ; you need : packet filtering, maybe lig target support |
| 09:44.50 | Fahrenheit | also in IP :Netfilter config you need IPv4 connection tracking support |
| 09:45.36 | Fahrenheit | in Core Netfiler Config : you need : Netfilter connection tracking support and state match support (for NEW, RELATED, ESATLBLISHED) |
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| 09:45.54 | Fahrenheit | with that it work on a 2.6.21.5 for basic firewalling |
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| 09:49.30 | fat-lobyte | hello |
| 09:49.39 | Fahrenheit | hello |
| 09:49.41 | metbsd | fuck linux |
| 09:49.57 | Fahrenheit | metbsd : you should read a tuto |
| 09:49.59 | fat-lobyte | can anybody tell me why the hell the build-essential package is not installed by default? |
| 09:50.17 | fat-lobyte | all the linux newbies complain that their compiler dont work |
| 09:50.23 | liable | because most people dont need to compile shit |
| 09:50.25 | metbsd | i know the problem |
| 09:50.53 | Fahrenheit | fat-lobyte : in my installation it has been installed by default |
| 09:50.54 | liable | well, most people who dont have shitty graphics or wireless cards |
| 09:51.04 | metbsd | there is 'IP table support" optiions in netfilter configuration |
| 09:51.11 | metbsd | another iptable support |
| 09:51.23 | metbsd | i have to check line by line |
| 09:51.26 | fat-lobyte | Fahrenheit, is it? Sure? Not in Ubuntu, that's for sure. I'll ask these guys then. |
| 09:51.27 | metbsd | otherwise kernel is fcked up |
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| 09:51.50 | liable | metbsd: do yourself a favour, copy ove your debian config to your kernel source, and dont fuck with the stuff in the netfilter section |
| 09:52.18 | metbsd | i didn't touch netfilter section, i used an old kernel config file |
| 09:52.21 | liable | fat-lobyte: no, it is not default |
| 09:52.30 | liable | Fahrenheit: ^^ |
| 09:52.32 | Fahrenheit | fat-lobyte : I'm running sid and I don't have instaled it, so ther is 2 options : it has been installed at my computer installation or it was a depedencies |
| 09:53.08 | fat-lobyte | So why it is not default? What's the sense of distributing a compiler which does not work because of one single small shitty package? |
| 09:53.13 | Fahrenheit | so it should be the depedencies of another package |
| 09:53.54 | liable | fat-lobyte: erm, gcc isnt installed by default either, what are you talking about? |
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| 09:54.36 | fat-lobyte | liable, no? humphh... Things are getting weirder. |
| 09:55.14 | fat-lobyte | Ok, new question. What is the sense of distributing a free Operating system which does not have a compiler compiler installed by defaul? |
| 09:55.19 | liable | no, it never has been. as i said, most people dont need to compile shit on debian unless they have shitty hardware, or snss |
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| 09:55.51 | liable | fat-lobyte: stop you whining and just install it |
| 09:56.00 | fat-lobyte | liable, I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. Thats nothing about shitty hardware, i just need to compile things which are not in the repository |
| 09:56.07 | liable | base is essential packages, gcc is *not* essential |
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| 09:56.44 | fat-lobyte | liable, I do have installed it. I'm just whining because all the linux newbies who try to compile something have problems with it. |
| 09:56.53 | liable | fat-lobyte: so just fucking install it, whats the big deal? |
| 09:56.54 | utopia_ | I found it odd that g++ wasn't in the base to be honest but with apt-get it isn't really a bother |
| 09:57.27 | liable | fat-lobyte: a one line command isnt so difficalt really :) |
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| 09:58.00 | fat-lobyte | liable, because there are people who do not know whats wrong when they try to compile something and get errors like "stdio.h: file or directory not found" |
| 09:58.04 | utopia_ | yo CharminTheMoose, fellow dub =) |
| 09:58.26 | fat-lobyte | liable, and there are people who dont have internet connections on their pc's or they need to compile something to get one |
| 09:59.01 | Scurz | I want to receive a mail from chkrootkit, I use sendmail, : /usr/sbin/chkrootkit 2>&1 | sendmail -t -i my_mail "chkrootkit" ; sendmail is been installed, but I don't receive mails, why ? |
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| 09:59.12 | liable | fat-lobyte: then they get to learn, why should my default install include a gig of shit i dont need because some noob cant learn how to install shit? |
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| 09:59.19 | Fahrenheit | fat-lobyte : thos kind of user are no newbies (or no basic newbies) I don't think that a *really* newbiens wiil try to compile its software, he will use some gui like synaptics and those who want to compile : rtfm |
| 09:59.22 | utopia_ | fat-lobyte, it is how it is :) apt-get install gcc, problem solved.. |
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| 10:01.13 | fat-lobyte | allright then... i'm still not sure i got the point |
| 10:01.21 | fat-lobyte | is it really that big? |
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| 10:01.52 | liable | fat-lobyte: no, but you see how you can twist your argument to fit another thousand packages to help new users |
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| 10:02.12 | utopia_ | sure you could say the same thing about FreeBSD removing Perl from the base, but when Perl : command not found apppear's i think anybody would *guess* they need to install perl, same with a C/C++ compilter :) |
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| 10:02.33 | Fahrenheit | fat-lobyte : it's definitively not, but you should admite that it's a minority of users who wants to compile its own softwares |
| 10:02.37 | fat-lobyte | liable, right i see your point. But... Its a _compiler_ ... To me the most important software at all |
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| 10:03.08 | utopia_ | Fahrenheit, hmm..maybe..one of the main reasons i installed linux was for devel work |
| 10:03.18 | liable | fat-lobyte: i see yours also, but as i said, debian is a binary distro, heck its got about 13000 packages now |
| 10:03.29 | Fahrenheit | utopia_ : me too, |
| 10:04.09 | Fahrenheit | utopia_ : but somebody who wan'ts it for a server ... somebody who wan't it for music, or video or basic office ... don't need to compile softwares |
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| 10:04.30 | liable | Fahrenheit: and the most common thing anyone ever needs to compile is crap graphice drivers ;) |
| 10:04.41 | liable | then come wireless drivers |
| 10:04.58 | liable | then come the 'shiny new shit syndrome' people ;) |
| 10:05.06 | utopia_ | Fahrenheit, true man :-) |
| 10:05.17 | metbsd | finally kernel works |
| 10:05.26 | fat-lobyte | liable, and crap virtual machine emulators and crap messangers and crap software which is not in the repository |
| 10:05.31 | liable | fat-lobyte: ^^ that was for you not Fahrenheit |
| 10:05.33 | Fahrenheit | liable :yes but all manual said you than you need module-assistant, then you type apt-get install module-assistant and you have everytinh you need |
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| 10:06.10 | utopia_ | fat-lobyte, where are you going with this though :) |
| 10:06.26 | utopia_ | make the base bigger ? go redhat style? |
| 10:06.32 | hina | hi |
| 10:06.33 | fat-lobyte | liable, lol 'shiny new shit syndrom' I think that's my malady :) |
| 10:06.41 | Delfyn | hi |
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| 10:06.58 | hina | \/wc |
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| 10:11.34 | liable | fat-lobyte: exactly, and for people like yourself (and i will prolly get flamed for this) i suggest distros like fedora or ubuntu, because only sid or testing get the new packages, and supporting newbs running these in debian is a nightmare |
| 10:12.25 | earthian | liable, agreed. |
| 10:12.54 | fat-lobyte | liable, i thought i'd upgrade to testing anyway... |
| 10:13.17 | tenzind | !ntfs |
| 10:13.17 | dpkg | ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
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| 10:14.20 | liable | fat-lobyte: get to know the bts then ;) |
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| 10:15.06 | metbsd | hehe xmms is dead? |
| 10:15.14 | kottlett | hi! since my laptop-hd is really slow, I'd like to load e.g. kernel, /bin, /lib from a (fast) usb stick, preferrably using e.g. something like unionfs, so I can also unplug the stick ... is this feasible in any way? :) or has someone tried it? |
| 10:15.44 | fat-lobyte | liable, what's bts? |
| 10:16.06 | liable | i highly recommend people use sid or testing, just dont whine when it breaks, its great to learn how the packaging system works and can be worked around |
| 10:16.13 | liable | fat-lobyte: bugs.debian.org |
| 10:16.40 | Fahrenheit | fat-lobyte : bts : Bug Tracking System |
| 10:16.43 | fat-lobyte | ok, bug tracking system |
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| 10:17.33 | fat-lobyte | sid is kind of risky but fun is that true? |
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| 10:17.45 | shevek | Not risky, just hard |
| 10:17.56 | shevek | It breaks sometimes, and it costs some time to fix it. |
| 10:18.02 | Fahrenheit | fat-lobyte : I'm in sid since ~1 year and no problem |
| 10:18.17 | shevek | But in general, you won't lose data, for example. That happens for experimental :-) |
| 10:18.22 | fat-lobyte | and what's the main difference in maintainging it? |
| 10:18.37 | liable | but you *can* and should behave like you expect to |
| 10:18.59 | Fahrenheit | fat-lobyte : only to times I had problems with package, one it was just an audio problem, another time I was unable to start X |
| 10:19.11 | Fahrenheit | on one year this is not so bad |
| 10:19.29 | liable | in basic, dont use testing or sid on a box with all your pr0n or moms emails without expecting to lose the lot |
| 10:19.36 | fat-lobyte | yes, i had issues with the graphics driver in etch too. |
| 10:20.01 | fat-lobyte | liable, what if the stuff lies on a different partition? |
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| 10:20.41 | liable | Fahrenheit: in one year i have had x break multiple times, unable to log in (due to shitty fingerprint software), had icedove lose my emails temporarily and shit i cant remember atm |
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| 10:21.13 | Fahrenheit | liable : only the two problem I described :-) |
| 10:21.25 | Fahrenheit | I only had thos pronlems |
| 10:21.35 | nightfreak | hi, i cannot run the apt-key command, i get the following error: bash: apt-key: command not found |
| 10:22.03 | wols_ | nightfreak: are you root? |
| 10:22.03 | nightfreak | yes |
| 10:22.07 | wols_ | oops. it's in /usr/bin. nvm |
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| 10:22.33 | nightfreak | no |
| 10:22.35 | wols_ | nightfreak: what apt version? |
| 10:23.08 | Fahrenheit | apt-key belong to the apt package, so you should have it |
| 10:23.15 | wols_ | nightfreak: dpkg -l apt |
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| 10:23.57 | Fahrenheit | nightfreak dpkg -L apt give you the list of the files ine the apt archive, apt-ket is one of them |
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| 10:24.38 | nightfreak | wols_: the version is apt 0.5.28.6 for linux i386 compiled on Mar 22 2005 07:17:03 |
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| 10:25.30 | wols_ | nightfreak: what debian version? sarge? woody? |
| 10:25.39 | cydork | nightfreak: sarge? apt-key was added in 0.6 afaik. |
| 10:25.44 | wols_ | cydork: yep |
| 10:25.48 | earthian | hello, somebody with iceweasel in debian, please visit http://www.fostral.net and tell me how it feels the scrolling.. is it slow? |
| 10:25.51 | nightfreak | etch |
| 10:25.59 | wols_ | nightfreak: this is not an etch package. |
| 10:26.03 | wols_ | !tell nightfreak about sarge->etch |
| 10:26.13 | wols_ | follow the instructions to upgrade etch properly |
| 10:26.35 | fat-lobyte | earthian, yes it actually is slow |
| 10:26.41 | fat-lobyte | it takes a lot time to load |
| 10:27.04 | cydork | nightfreak: do dpkg -l libc6| tail -1 |
| 10:27.04 | earthian | fat-lobyte, not the loading, but the scrolling.. in other browsers it is ok. |
| 10:27.05 | earthian | :/ |
| 10:27.06 | nightfreak | something went wrong with the dist upgrade? |
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| 10:27.45 | wols_ | nightfreak: more like you didn't do it right. you only did apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 10:27.59 | nightfreak | cydork: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 10:27.59 | fat-lobyte | earthian, yes, the scrolling also. I allways hear my cpu fan work when scrolling |
| 10:28.14 | earthian | i wonder whY? |
| 10:28.16 | earthian | wtf? |
| 10:28.17 | cydork | nightfreak: definitely a bad upgrade. |
| 10:28.18 | earthian | bug? |
| 10:28.37 | earthian | coz other browsers are somehow fine. try it with epiphany for example |
| 10:28.41 | nightfreak | wols_: i changed the sources and did apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 10:29.37 | nightfreak | is it possible to fix it? |
| 10:30.06 | chemaja | i have a nice stable Etch and I'm about to go to Sid on a whim -- i must have lost the plot |
| 10:30.07 | cydork | nightfreak: read the release notes. and aptitude is prefered for dist upgrades. |
| 10:30.10 | chemaja | yayyyy |
| 10:30.17 | fat-lobyte | earthian, you are right. better with ephany, but still a bit laggy. I wont be able to help you, I've no idea about web development |
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| 10:30.54 | earthian | fat-lobyte, its not about webdevelopment its about the browsers. the website is 100% valid in both xhtml and css |
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| 10:31.16 | wols_ | nightfreak: that was wrong. dpkg told you the proper way |
| 10:31.19 | fat-lobyte | earthian, might be a bug then. But i have no clue :) |
| 10:31.26 | earthian | kk |
| 10:31.30 | earthian | me too :p |
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| 10:33.00 | loesh | earthian, you have some bug in your javascript.. could be messing it up? |
| 10:33.16 | earthian | loesh, there is not javascript :S |
| 10:33.23 | earthian | not=no |
| 10:33.34 | loesh | earthian, O_o according to my browser there is... |
| 10:33.42 | loesh | and according to the source of the site? |
| 10:33.56 | earthian | loesh, try again |
| 10:34.08 | earthian | there was a link to external emtpy js file |
| 10:34.09 | loesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.40 | nightfreak | cydork wols_ its a production server running some important projects |
| 10:36.13 | cydork | nightfreak: then read the release notes this time. as dpkg told you already! |
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| 10:40.23 | nightfreak | cydork: i'm reading it, but i think i cannot take the risk of fixing it and something goes wrong |
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| 10:42.21 | cydork | nightfreak: i hope you have backups then :) |
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| 10:45.17 | wols_ | nightfreak: there something IS already wrong. the way it is now this servre is in an un defined state |
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| 10:45.37 | nightfreak | wols_: yes, but its running |
| 10:45.38 | wols_ | and you already broke it when you dist-upgraded without reading relase notes. so not fixing it is not reall an option |
| 10:46.22 | nightfreak | i'll move to a new server |
| 10:47.02 | nightfreak | what exactly is broken? |
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| 10:48.43 | RichiH | is enrico zini around on freenode? |
| 10:48.45 | RichiH | or oftc? |
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| 10:49.17 | stew | RichiH: enrico on oftc |
| 10:49.37 | stew | oh, and here |
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| 10:50.24 | RichiH | stew: thanks |
| 10:50.48 | RichiH | (he promised to package his ept-cache stuff when we talked at fosdem and did not (the ass ;)) |
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| 10:53.05 | stew | RichiH: yeah, i went looking for it after joeyh's post, but didn't find it |
| 10:53.21 | RichiH | oh wait |
| 10:53.27 | RichiH | it just entered sid, it seems |
| 10:53.58 | RichiH | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
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| 10:58.11 | kexman | hey there people of the debian |
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| 11:02.24 | CyberMad | if i install to my debian box from source (tar.gz), how to uninstall it if i don't need it later? |
| 11:02.43 | CyberMad | with apt-get install, i easily can use apt-get remove |
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| 11:03.51 | phogg | CyberMad: you mostly have to do it by hand. If you have not yet performed the installation, look in to checkinstall |
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| 11:05.20 | CyberMad | is it correct, with apt-get remove will uninstall / delete all installation file, etc (very clean) |
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| 11:05.33 | jduggan | use --purge also |
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| 11:08.25 | praseodym | we're running a server w/ kernel 2.4 and aptitude upgrade all fails on libc6-dev because it requires kernel 2.6. is there any way to avoid this? |
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| 11:09.45 | utopia_ | test |
| 11:10.38 | thedonvaughn | praseodym, fails? I.e. is it pulling a kernel image for libc6-dev or is it failing with "Need kernel 2.6" ? :) |
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| 11:11.13 | stew | praseodym: no, you must run a 2.6 kernel with testing or unstable |
| 11:11.55 | thedonvaughn | oh i was just assuming if he was running 2.4 he was running woody or something :) |
| 11:12.02 | thedonvaughn | er sarge |
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| 11:12.49 | vyrus001 | is there a way to make bt do querying of multiple files? |
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| 11:12.56 | stew | praseodym: a 2.4 kernel might work for stable, but it is unsupported, and known to be broken for some things (notably, mysql) |
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| 11:13.30 | wols_ | vyrus001: bt being bluetooth |
| 11:13.32 | wols_ | ? |
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| 11:13.47 | vyrus001 | wols_, bittornado |
| 11:13.49 | vyrus001 | sry kinda unclear |
| 11:13.53 | praseodym | thedonvaughn: need kernel 2.6 message |
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| 11:14.03 | wols_ | vyrus001: get another client |
| 11:14.07 | vyrus001 | wols_, lol ic |
| 11:14.18 | vyrus001 | wols_, recomendations? |
| 11:14.24 | wols_ | !bittorrent |
| 11:14.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, bittorrent is a P2P file distribution protocol. BitTorrent is also the name of the original BitTorrent client, available in Debian. other clients include bittornado, ktorrent (KDE), rtorrent, qtorrent (Qt) and azureus (only in contrib) |
| 11:14.24 | vyrus001 | somthing that will run over console? |
| 11:14.51 | Quintin | vyrus001: rtorrent. duh |
| 11:14.56 | stew | vyrus001: btdownloadmanycurses will download multiple torrents if you use bittornado, but rtorrent is recommended |
| 11:15.07 | Quintin | rtorrent ftw! |
| 11:15.24 | praseodym | stew: so you'd recommend upgrading to 2.6 |
| 11:15.45 | wols_ | praseodym: it's not recommended it's required for etch and above |
| 11:15.46 | vyrus001 | ic |
| 11:15.51 | vyrus001 | thanks for the recomend |
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| 11:16.06 | praseodym | wols_: so how would I go about it |
| 11:16.08 | stew | praseodym: yes. but i also wouldn't recommend running testing or unstable on a server |
| 11:16.14 | stew | praseodym: /msg dpkg upgrade kernel |
| 11:16.17 | Techdeck_ | hi guys, does rsync only need port 22 open? |
| 11:16.25 | Techdeck_ | to rsync from box A to box B? |
| 11:16.36 | wols_ | Techdeck_: depends on the transport rsync over ssh: yes |
| 11:16.40 | praseodym | stew: we needed it for a more recent version of php or so. what if I go back to stable and upgrade to 2.6? |
| 11:16.45 | stew | Techdeck_: yes (assuming you have an ssh client on one side and an ssh server on the other) |
| 11:17.04 | wols_ | praseodym: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 11:17.06 | Techdeck_ | the problem is |
| 11:17.10 | wols_ | what vesion? |
| 11:17.11 | Techdeck_ | I used a nonstandard port for ssh |
| 11:17.14 | Techdeck_ | how do I make rsync use it? |
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| 11:17.18 | Techdeck_ | --port didn't seem to work |
| 11:17.24 | stew | !info php5 stable |
| 11:17.29 | stew | !info php5 testing |
| 11:17.40 | praseodym | wols_: hi libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 11:17.52 | Techdeck_ | any ideas stew, wols_? |
| 11:17.57 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 11:17.58 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-10 (lenny), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 11:18.10 | wols_ | praseodym: that is an etch libc6. chances are you are still running etch when it was testing. go upgrade to stable which is now etch |
| 11:18.17 | wols_ | !tell praseodym about sarge->etch |
| 11:18.18 | stew | praseodym: what was is 5.2.0-10 that you couldn't get from 5.2.0-8? |
| 11:18.27 | stew | wols_: why? |
| 11:18.35 | stew | praseodym: you can ignore that sarge->etch |
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| 11:18.42 | praseodym | stew: it's about a year ago we switched to testing |
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| 11:18.58 | wols_ | stew: he most probably isntalled etch when it was testing and is under belief it is still testing. he has testing in his source so when he apt-getted libc6-dev now it gave him lenny libc6 |
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| 11:19.20 | wols_ | stew: which is hwy he runs etch libc6 right now |
| 11:19.31 | stew | wols_: yeah, so i don't know why you give him instructions for upgrading from sarge, since he isn't and possibly never was running sarge |
| 11:19.59 | praseodym | how do I check what I am running? |
| 11:20.00 | wols_ | if you say yeah, why would you check php6 from lenny for him? |
| 11:20.03 | stew | or maybe he was, but he did that upgrade a year ago |
| 11:20.13 | Quintin | praseodym: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:20.14 | wols_ | *php5 |
| 11:20.23 | praseodym | 4.0 |
| 11:20.33 | stew | praseodym: it appears you are running etch, and I'd stick with that and upgrade to a 2.6 kernel |
| 11:20.35 | wols_ | praseodym: I just did. checking your libc6 vresion |
| 11:21.13 | stew | wols_: i checked php5 from lenny becuase he said he was tracking testing for a php5 version, which, as it turns out, is not necessary, so he can stick with etch |
| 11:21.15 | praseodym | my sources.list is deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
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| 11:21.28 | wols_ | praseodym: change your sources.list to etch before you do anything |
| 11:21.28 | stew | praseodym: change 'testing' to 'etch' |
| 11:21.53 | wols_ | stew: and I didn't know how he upgraded to his etch from sarge since he still runs a 2.4 kernel |
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| 11:22.37 | praseodym | all we did was aptitude upgrade everything |
| 11:22.38 | waqjan | wols_, the kernel is called kernel-image in sarge but linux-image in etch |
| 11:22.53 | wols_ | waqjan: I know that |
| 11:23.03 | praseodym | we don't have physical access to the server; what'll be the safest way to upgrade the kernel then? |
| 11:23.42 | CyberMad | if i use VMWare to install debian.. what version should i choose? is this correct: Other Linux 2.4.x kernel |
| 11:23.49 | simmerz | I'm trying to get the local part of my hostname which is in the form host.domain.tld. I'm trying echo $HOSTNAME | grep -e [a-z0-9]+ but that returns nothing |
| 11:23.50 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 11:23.50 | dpkg | from memory, vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 11:23.54 | Quintin | CyberMad: er, d'debian'? |
| 11:24.07 | Quintin | CyberMad: duh |
| 11:24.10 | wols_ | simmerz: /etc/hostname |
| 11:24.17 | simmerz | CyberMad: #vmware |
| 11:24.17 | stew | praseodym: follow the instructions in '/msg dpkg upgrade kernel' then setup grub for a fallback kernel so that if your new kernel doesn't boot, it automatically falls back the current, known working kernel |
| 11:24.23 | praseodym | + what about the security line, "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free"? top or bottom of sources.list? |
| 11:24.38 | stew | praseodym: change 'stable' to 'etch' |
| 11:24.42 | wols_ | praseodym: that stays |
| 11:24.59 | simmerz | wols_: yes, but /etc/hostname is in the form host.domain.tld which is fine, but I just want to get the local part in a bash script |
| 11:25.04 | praseodym | wols_: it's not in there yet. |
| 11:25.52 | praseodym | stew: and where do I get instructions on grub? |
| 11:25.55 | wols_ | simmerz: man hostname |
| 11:26.07 | wols_ | praseodym: apt-get install grub-doc (from sarge tho) |
| 11:26.22 | wols_ | praseodym: pdo should have it |
| 11:26.24 | simmerz | wols_: thanks. |
| 11:26.33 | xand | /etc/hostname should not be the FQDN |
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| 11:26.40 | wols_ | xand: that too, yes |
| 11:26.51 | xand | simmerz: fix your /etc/hostname file |
| 11:26.52 | wols_ | simmerz: /etc/hostsme is not a FQDN but a hostname only. no dots |
| 11:26.54 | praseodym | wols_: pdo? |
| 11:26.56 | wols_ | !pdo |
| 11:26.56 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 11:27.07 | stew | praseodym: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html#Booting-fallback-systems |
| 11:27.21 | praseodym | stew, wols_: thanks! |
| 11:27.30 | xand | domain is specified in /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 11:30.58 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 11:31.07 | Quintin | What.the.fuck!!! |
| 11:31.14 | Quintin | my listings in sites-available randomly disappeared |
| 11:31.15 | Quintin | wtf?! |
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| 11:31.31 | cafuego | No, you just closed their windows, they're still running. |
| 11:31.41 | Quintin | cafuego: you're an idiot. |
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| 11:31.52 | cafuego | That's not what dpkg says. |
| 11:32.06 | xand | !cafuego |
| 11:32.06 | dpkg | well, cafuego is god, or the devil, or available now from http://www.cafuego.net/ and maybe a crackwhore. See also 'cafuego disclaimer', or teh r0x0rxz and Marvin the Paranoid Android, or fairly accused of redirecting careless newbies to #shell. Also a sell-out. |
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| 11:34.15 | wols_ | !moron Quintin |
| 11:34.15 | dpkg | Quintin: You are moron #85 |
| 11:34.27 | Quintin | !moron wols_ |
| 11:34.27 | dpkg | wols_: You are moron #37 |
| 11:34.37 | cafuego | !useless both |
| 11:34.40 | wols_ | whoohoo! I'm a better moron |
| 11:34.45 | Quintin | lol |
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| 11:35.31 | cafuego | !cmd useless (.*) is ($1): <reply> you are $1 useless |
| 11:35.31 | dpkg | cafuego: okay |
| 11:35.38 | cafuego | !useless both |
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| 11:35.47 | cafuego | feh |
| 11:36.01 | Quintin | so, I have a Different DocumentRoot in /etc/apache2/blah but it is still pointing to /var/www |
| 11:36.10 | stew | cafuego: aparantly, you are useless |
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| 11:37.18 | stew | cafuego: you forgot the : after cmd btw |
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| 11:37.57 | bintut | how can i rotate the text i wrote inside OpenOffice.org vertically? |
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| 11:39.02 | cafuego | stew: yeah, damncocktails |
| 11:39.02 | blubberdiblub | Quintin: you might check out /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default ... if that file is there, it probably overrides your settings. either change or delete it (it won't be lost, it's a symlink to a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available) |
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| 11:39.32 | cast | bintut: there is a debian channel and a oo.o channel, and you were joining a channel specifically to ask a oo.o question....:P |
| 11:39.53 | Fox | or diseable it using a2dissite |
| 11:41.17 | Quintin | blubberdiblub: I remoeved that file, asame behavior |
| 11:41.38 | blubberdiblub | Quintin: even after restarting apache2 ? |
| 11:41.43 | Quintin | blubberdiblub: yes |
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| 11:43.08 | blubberdiblub | Quintin: and your own settings are in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf or some file included from there? |
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| 11:44.57 | abrotman | it's /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 11:45.32 | Quintin | blubberdiblub: yea |
| 11:45.42 | blubberdiblub | abrotman: well, more or less. apache2.conf includes httpd.conf ... i wouldn't change the former in order to not disrupt upgrades |
| 11:45.58 | xand | httpd.conf isn't meant to be used |
| 11:46.02 | Sebo | Hi!! How can I get a list of installed packages on my Debian machine ;> I'd like to pass them to apt-get install so I'll install them all on enother one |
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| 11:46.11 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 11:46.11 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
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| 11:47.32 | Sebo | thx |
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| 11:53.58 | metbsd | so how do i upgrade a specific package? |
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| 11:54.41 | Fox | apt-get update && apt-get install that_package |
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| 11:55.23 | praseodym | how do I check my grub config? |
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| 11:56.25 | SlayerXP | praseodym: less /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:56.40 | praseodym | I mean automatic verifying |
| 11:56.53 | metbsd | dpkg: error processing nfs-kernel-server (--configure): |
| 11:56.54 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.05 | metbsd | how do i correct this |
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| 11:57.45 | kryptoz | Hi all |
| 11:57.51 | utopia_ | hey |
| 11:57.53 | karmatronic | metbsd: dpkg-reconfigure nfs-kernel-server |
| 11:58.01 | drako | I'm wondering if sid is going to be faster or slower than stable. |
| 11:58.07 | drako | for kind of old pc. |
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| 11:58.29 | metbsd | dpkg-reconfigure nfs-kernel-server |
| 11:58.29 | metbsd | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: nfs-kernel-server is broken or not fully installed |
| 11:58.35 | chemaja | drako, good question |
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| 11:58.52 | praseodym | and how do I check what services run on boot? I need to make sure sshd starts up |
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| 11:59.06 | stew | metbsd: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 11:59.20 | metbsd | dpkg-reconfigure nfs-kernel-server |
| 11:59.25 | metbsd | that's the actually command i typed |
| 11:59.28 | metbsd | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: nfs-kernel-server is broken or not fully installed |
| 11:59.36 | metbsd | that's the actually output |
| 11:59.46 | blubberdiblub | praseodym: say your config file would be at /boot/grub/menu.list, while the boot partition would be on /dev/hda1, and say grub maps that to "(hd0,0)" (check device.map for that), then fire up grub from the shell, and type: configfile (hd0,0)/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:59.47 | stew | metbsd: aptitude -f install ; dpkg --configure -a |
| 12:00.08 | praseodym | blubberdiblub: thanks |
| 12:00.42 | metbsd | after those commands, same error |
| 12:00.58 | karmatronic | metbsd: remove the package and install again |
| 12:01.06 | metbsd | no |
| 12:01.12 | metbsd | it's a server |
| 12:01.19 | stew | metbsd: show us the output |
| 12:01.23 | metbsd | i can't remove pkgs like home |
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| 12:02.18 | stew | metbsd: why can't you remove it? |
| 12:02.45 | metbsd | i don't want to risk server down |
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| 12:03.01 | metbsd | it's mail server with sa, clamav |
| 12:03.10 | stew | metbsd: how would removing an uninstalled package cause the server to go down? |
| 12:03.13 | metbsd | http://pastebin.com/932571 |
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| 12:03.33 | metbsd | that had happened before |
| 12:03.37 | metbsd | and might happen again |
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| 12:03.56 | redduck676 | stew: it shouldn't |
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| 12:04.27 | DawnLight | hello friends |
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| 12:05.07 | metbsd | is there a way to siimply fix dependencies problem in debian? |
| 12:05.12 | stew | metbsd: check the bts for nfs-common; you might have to debug the nfs-common postinst script to see why it is failing, which you would do by adding "set -x" as the second line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/nfs-common.postinst |
| 12:05.27 | tralala | metbsd, aptitude -f install |
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| 12:06.19 | metbsd | that does not the trick |
| 12:06.38 | wols_ | metbsd: there is no !trick" paste the error you get |
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| 12:06.55 | stew | he did |
| 12:07.15 | stew | nfs-common fails postinst |
| 12:07.25 | DawnLight | how can i find out which kernel i have on my debian iso? |
| 12:07.29 | metbsd | dpkg: error processing nfs-common (--configure): |
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| 12:07.30 | metbsd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:08.56 | dps | Hello, can anyone give me some lights regarding a problem i have |
| 12:09.19 | xand | dps: some lights? |
| 12:09.29 | wols_ | is a flashlight enough? |
| 12:09.31 | dps | With my user, i run soffice and the bastard runs as root |
| 12:09.43 | wols_ | dps: #ubuntu |
| 12:09.43 | dps | even the process belongs to root |
| 12:09.47 | xand | it must be setuid then |
| 12:09.49 | praseodym | DawnLight: uname -a? |
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| 12:10.09 | wols_ | dps: we don't do ubuntu support |
| 12:10.34 | dps | Did i tol it was a ubuntu problem? |
| 12:10.34 | xand | how do you know he's using noobuntu? |
| 12:10.46 | wols_ | DawnLight: go to console 2 after you booted it and run uname -a there |
| 12:10.51 | DawnLight | praseodym: i want to know which version is on the DVD that i burnt |
| 12:10.59 | wols_ | xand: cause he asked the same question there an hour ago and didn't get an ansewsr |
| 12:10.59 | dps | Ok, sorry i disturbed you guys |
| 12:11.04 | xand | ah |
| 12:11.09 | praseodym | DawnLight check the bootfolder of the dvd |
| 12:11.12 | wols_ | DawnLight: is it etch? then it's 2.6.18-4 |
| 12:12.10 | metbsd | why would debian have dependencies problem too |
| 12:12.11 | dps | wols_: i don't understand why you seem to conflictual regarding my issue |
| 12:12.27 | wols_ | !ubuntu |
| 12:12.27 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 12:12.27 | metbsd | http://pastebin.com/932571 |
| 12:12.52 | wols_ | dps: if you run ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu. iof you run debian, ask in #debian. simple, isn't it? |
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| 12:12.52 | DawnLight | thanks friends |
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| 12:13.06 | wols_ | metbsd: do what stew told you |
| 12:13.23 | dps | I understan, ubuntu is freaking Linux, i asked a Linux question, so freaking tired on the distro wars... if it's running setuid it's not a ubuntu issue, it's a LINUX issue |
| 12:13.43 | wols_ | dps: it's ubuntu issue since THEY made the package |
| 12:13.56 | dps | who told you? |
| 12:14.00 | dps | could have been me |
| 12:14.01 | wols_ | and read the factoid again |
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| 12:14.08 | dps | just asking why it could run as root |
| 12:14.15 | dps | if it's a user launching it |
| 12:14.16 | wols_ | go away and stop whining |
| 12:14.25 | dps | someone said could be setuid |
| 12:14.30 | dps | good tip, ill go check |
| 12:14.30 | wols_ | we don't know cause i's no debian software |
| 12:14.44 | dps | debian software? omg.... |
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| 12:15.34 | metbsd | does aptitude remove removes depencies too/ |
| 12:15.57 | wols_ | yes |
| 12:15.59 | stew | metbsd: if they are marked as auto-installed, and no other non-auto-installed packages are depending on them |
| 12:16.11 | stew | dps: are you running ubuntu or debian? |
| 12:16.40 | metbsd | so there's no alternative way to fix the depencies? |
| 12:16.44 | dps | stew: i'm running linux, with my kernel, with packages, yes it's based on ubuntu |
| 12:16.54 | dps | so nvm |
| 12:17.01 | stew | dps: then please go to #ubuntu for help. we don't support ubuntu, i'm sorry. |
| 12:17.10 | dps | i came hre because of the debian user avarage knowledge is bigger |
| 12:17.11 | wols_ | metbsd: why can't you do what stew told you? |
| 12:17.22 | stew | dps: sorry, but your questions are off-topic here |
| 12:17.27 | metbsd | because im fear server down |
| 12:17.38 | metbsd | i don't want nfs to be down, nor clamav |
| 12:17.39 | stew | metbsd: then just ignore it and more on |
| 12:17.40 | wols_ | metbsd: that makes no sense |
| 12:17.57 | stew | err move, not more |
| 12:18.02 | wols_ | you have a broken package/packagesystem right now. how is this better? |
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| 12:18.19 | metbsd | what's causing this broken package system |
| 12:18.28 | stew | metbsd: nfs-common's postinst script failing |
| 12:18.30 | wols_ | metbsd: all he asked you to put set -x in the scripts |
| 12:18.44 | wols_ | and dpkg-reconfigure it again |
| 12:18.50 | metbsd | which sctipt? |
| 12:18.58 | wols_ | the postinst script that fails |
| 12:19.07 | stew | metbsd: as i said before, /var/lib/dpkg/info/nfs-common.postinst |
| 12:19.19 | giupy | i have installed a nvidia RIVA TNT2 Model 64, wich driver do i need to use to have 3d support? wich params do i need in kernel? (i compile my kernel) |
| 12:19.30 | giupy | i use sid and xorg |
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| 12:20.14 | metbsd | where do i put set -x? |
| 12:20.25 | stew | metbsd: the second line of the script, after #!/bin/sh |
| 12:20.25 | giupy | for example, for use my old matrox g200 i don't need /dev/agpgart for have 3d support |
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| 12:20.47 | metbsd | what does that do? |
| 12:20.48 | nvz | giupy: you need that for support of any kind of nearly any agp based card |
| 12:21.03 | nvz | giupy: and nvidia has an all-in-one driver that supports all their cards |
| 12:21.12 | stew | metbsd: it prints out every command before it runs it, this will tell us what the script is trying to do when it fails |
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| 12:21.26 | giupy | nvz hmm, my matrox goes only 2d if i active agpgart |
| 12:21.30 | metbsd | ok i added, now what |
| 12:21.41 | wols_ | giupy: nvidia legacy driver |
| 12:21.51 | giupy | nvz however do i need to put agpgart as module and others as modules? |
| 12:21.59 | nvz | giupy: because its not a video driver, its just a framework and its required for the other drivers to work |
| 12:22.02 | stew | metbsd: dpkg-reconfigure nfs-common |
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| 12:22.18 | giupy | nvz ok |
| 12:22.23 | giupy | wols_ ok |
| 12:22.25 | giupy | thanks all |
| 12:22.30 | nvz | giupy: you cannot build nvidia support with your kernel so it doesnt matter just get a working kernel worry about the rest later |
| 12:22.33 | metbsd | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: nfs-common is broken or not fully installed |
| 12:22.55 | stew | metbsd: aptitude -f install |
| 12:22.57 | nvz | giupy: nvidia's drivers arent distributed with the kernel they are 3rd party |
| 12:22.59 | blubberdiblub | giupy: you would need the packages nividia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source (for the kernel module) and after successfull compilation and installation of the resulting package, install nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx for making the 3d acc. available to Xorg |
| 12:23.11 | wols_ | nvz: depends what kernel version he uses but chances are you are right |
| 12:23.23 | stew | metbsd: whatever caused you ran to produce the previous thing you pasted |
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| 12:23.35 | xRainbows | hello, i have just built in a SCSI CD-Recorder (writer) now when i want to burn an ISO it says in the beginning (using K3B) writer does not support buffer underrun free recording (Burnfree)... will my Imageburn work afterwards? |
| 12:23.37 | nvz | wols_: eh? they are distributing nvidia code with the kernel now? |
| 12:23.38 | giupy | well, but i need agpgart compiled in kernel? :) |
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| 12:23.52 | nvz | giupy: you always need agpgart |
| 12:23.53 | metbsd | same error |
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| 12:24.01 | giupy | nvz ok :) |
| 12:24.04 | giupy | thanks really all |
| 12:24.06 | giupy | i try |
| 12:24.08 | wols_ | nvz: no. after kenrel 2.6.20 or so the nvidia drivers use a GPL only symbol. no good |
| 12:24.15 | stew | metbsd: this time it should have produced more output, please show us |
| 12:24.16 | blubberdiblub | giupy: well, not with those glx drivers i mentioned, they bring their own agpgart handling |
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| 12:24.21 | wols_ | maybe it's fixed in 100.x now |
| 12:24.22 | blinx | if I backup my mysql databases with the command: mysqldump -A -p > filename and I want to import the databases on another system, does mysql recognizes each database for itself? |
| 12:24.24 | giupy | ok |
| 12:24.28 | giupy | i go now |
| 12:24.31 | giupy | and try |
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| 12:24.59 | nvz | you do need the older legacy driver for the TNT2 though I know that cause I have one here.. the latest nvidia drivers don't work |
| 12:25.11 | metbsd | Ack! Something bad happened while installing packages. Trying to recover: Setting up nfs-common (1.0.10-6) ... |
| 12:25.19 | metbsd | + case "$1" in |
| 12:25.27 | stew | metbsd: please don't paste here, use a pastebin |
| 12:25.28 | wols_ | metbsd: pastebin |
| 12:25.28 | metbsd | + ucf --three-way /usr/share/nfs-common/conffiles/idmapd.conf /etc/idmapd.con |
| 12:25.43 | metbsd | what's causing this kind of error |
| 12:25.58 | wols_ | metbsd: paste the full output in a pastebin please |
| 12:25.59 | stew | metbsd: i don't know, please show us the output |
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| 12:29.13 | msn | quick question, how do i start another gdm session from within the kde on debian lenny |
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| 12:30.43 | metbsd | http://pastebin.com/932601 |
| 12:30.58 | redduck676 | msn: you click k menu --> logout and select to switch user? |
| 12:31.13 | CyberMad | how to check free space (hard disk) ? |
| 12:31.21 | redduck676 | CyberMad: df -h from console |
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| 12:31.39 | CyberMad | thanks redduck676 |
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| 12:31.53 | DawnLight | is there a reason not to install packages for testing on stable? |
| 12:31.54 | abrotman | msn: xnest |
| 12:32.03 | abrotman | DawnLight: yes |
| 12:32.28 | DawnLight | is there reading material about this? |
| 12:32.56 | msn | aha okey and second question i have created to some another machines 6000 port over my local 60000 how do i connect to it in a new X session |
| 12:32.57 | redduck676 | !tell DawnLight about releases |
| 12:32.59 | metbsd | stew, http://pastebin.com/932601 |
| 12:33.32 | wols_ | !tell Dark_Apostrophe about bobbitt |
| 12:33.33 | abrotman | DawnLight: it's called mixing .. it's bad .. mixing leads to breakage .. breakage leads to anger .. anger leads to hate |
| 12:33.59 | wols_ | metbsd: pastebin is fucked |
| 12:33.59 | stew | metbsd: yeah, i'm still waiting for it to load. pastebin.com is very slow (i'd recommend a differnt one in the future) |
| 12:34.04 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:34.05 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 12:34.21 | abrotman | oh well .. that was totally wasted .. and i'm not repeating it! |
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| 12:34.38 | DawnLight | oops... so what if i want to install a package from sid on etch? |
| 12:34.44 | abrotman | NO |
| 12:34.52 | nvz | DawnLight: which package? |
| 12:34.54 | abrotman | DawnLight: /msg dpkg backports |
| 12:35.09 | metbsd | stew, http://paste.debian.net/30950 |
| 12:36.07 | stew | metbsd: do these files exist? /usr/share/nfs-common/conffiles/idmapd.conf /etc/idmapd.conf |
| 12:36.09 | msn | aha okey and second question i have created to some another machines 6000 port over my local 60000 how do i connect to it in a new X session xnest again? |
| 12:37.11 | metbsd | stew, yes they exist |
| 12:37.24 | nvz | msn: "created to some another" doesn't parse in english, so if you're gonna rephrase your question I'd start there |
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| 12:37.37 | stew | metbsd: what happens if you run "ucf --three-way /usr/share/nfs-common/conffiles/idmapd.conf /etc/idmapd.conf" |
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| 12:38.07 | metbsd | i don't want to change configuration file |
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| 12:38.13 | praseodym | how do I check what services run on boot? I need to make sure sshd starts up (no physical access) |
| 12:38.37 | stew | metbsd: then say 'no' when it prompts you to optionally change the configuration file |
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| 12:38.58 | nvz | praseodym: ls /etc/rcS.d/ or ls /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 12:39.13 | metbsd | forget it i'll just leave it as it is |
| 12:39.14 | DawnLight | bad connection... so what if i want to install a package from sid on etch? |
| 12:39.23 | nvz | DawnLight: which package? |
| 12:40.11 | nvz | IP over carrier pigeon works better than whatever that person is using |
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| 12:40.55 | silvertip257 | I've compiled busybox and would like to add openssh to it for a network tool/project ... I have trouble when I try to chroot to compile openssh |
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| 12:41.08 | stew | DawnLight: don't install sid packages directly in etch, use a backport instead: /msg dpkg backports |
| 12:41.34 | wols_ | silvertip257: how is this debian related? |
| 12:41.57 | nvz | I've had better connectifity with virca on my flip phone |
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| 12:42.52 | Techdeck_ | hey guys, does anyone know how to rsync to a server that runs ssh on a non standard port? (using ssh, and not an rsync server)? |
| 12:42.55 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 12:43.23 | nvz | I wasn't aware rsync even had a server (other than ssh) |
| 12:43.24 | msn | well X is running on host foo port 6000 |
| 12:43.31 | msn | I dont have route there |
| 12:43.39 | redduck676 | Techdeck_: did you bother to check man rsync? |
| 12:43.49 | Techdeck_ | yes |
| 12:43.50 | msn | but I do have a route to server bar but only ssh |
| 12:43.52 | Techdeck_ | --port doesn't work |
| 12:44.14 | Techdeck_ | redduck676, any other ideas? |
| 12:44.16 | silvertip257 | wols_ I was told to come here & I'm using a debian based distro to compile it |
| 12:44.31 | Techdeck_ | hmm, maybe with -e |
| 12:44.32 | msn | so I have created a tunnel (ssh) from local host to foo using bar but on localhost since X is already active i am using port 6000 |
| 12:44.34 | abrotman | oh .. -based eh ... |
| 12:44.37 | redduck676 | Techdeck_: oh, you are connecting to sshd |
| 12:44.43 | stew | Techdeck_: yes, --port is for the rsync protocol, try specifying the port with -e "ssh -p 1234" |
| 12:44.45 | msn | how do I start the X to display the remove host |
| 12:44.45 | nvz | Techdeck_: if I have to install rsync only to find out there is no mention of --port in the manual I am going to slap you with a trout |
| 12:44.46 | Techdeck_ | yes redduck676 |
| 12:44.51 | wols_ | !tell silvertip257 about debian based |
| 12:44.55 | Techdeck_ | thanks stew, trying |
| 12:45.06 | wols_ | silvertip257: what distro? |
| 12:45.10 | stew | nvz: --port has nothing to do with what he is trying to do |
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| 12:45.19 | Techdeck_ | it worked! |
| 12:45.24 | Techdeck_ | thanks a lot stew! |
| 12:45.25 | stew | silvertip257: please be more specific about how you are trying ot compile and what error you are getting |
| 12:45.26 | nvz | stew: I didn't figure but I don't have the rsync manual handy |
| 12:45.43 | silvertip257 | wols_ ? xubuntu I'm using right now ... but I'm compiling busybox & openssh |
| 12:45.52 | Techdeck_ | nvz, no fish abuse please! :o) |
| 12:46.04 | nvz | Techdeck_: thats what trouts live for.. |
| 12:46.07 | wols_ | silvertip257: we don't know about your problem. ask #xubuntu. we cannot support any ubuntu flavour |
| 12:46.14 | stew | nvz: well he had already said that he tried that option and read the manual |
| 12:46.17 | Techdeck_ | hah |
| 12:46.22 | Techdeck_ | stew, how about an ssh key? |
| 12:46.22 | nvz | Techdeck_: they strive to be big enough to slap someone with |
| 12:46.24 | redduck676 | nzk: ever heard of a magic thing called google? |
| 12:46.34 | Techdeck_ | if I wanted to use one, how can I do it? -e also? |
| 12:46.38 | silvertip257 | stew: compiled busybox, then I'm chrooting into it & trying to compile openssh w/in chroot for busybox |
| 12:46.50 | silvertip257 | wols_ it's not related to what distro exactly, so thank you. |
| 12:46.59 | stew | silvertip257: please go to #xubuntu or #ubuntu for help with xubuntu, sorry, its not something we support here |
| 12:47.05 | wols_ | silvertip257: it's not debian so it's OT. no go back to xubuntu please |
| 12:47.16 | abrotman | silvertip257: then your question will be find in #ubuntu or #gcc or something other than #debian where we support Debian :) |
| 12:47.19 | abrotman | fine |
| 12:47.31 | silvertip257 | stew: it's not about what distro I USE it's about fscking busybox and chroot ... |
| 12:47.35 | wols_ | abrotman: you need to type faster |
| 12:47.40 | stew | silvertip257: ok, but its not about debian. sorry |
| 12:47.42 | abrotman | wols_: mine was longer! |
| 12:47.52 | stew | Techdeck_: you can specify -i to ssh just like you are specifying -p |
| 12:48.14 | Menthu | I can't get mergedFB running with radeon drivers and two analog flatpanels. (xsever-xorg) |
| 12:48.15 | Menthu | I tried, screamed and googled for nearly a day now, it was working with bin-ati driver and BigDesktop.... puh, I'm lost. |
| 12:48.25 | tralala | silvertip257, exactly - it's not about our distro |
| 12:48.51 | silvertip257 | tralala: yup it's about devel ... |
| 12:49.03 | Menthu | anyone got some special, secret HowTo on the web, somewhere? ;-) |
| 12:49.11 | Techdeck_ | ahh thanks a lot stew |
| 12:49.37 | nvz | right, and when I don't like the way the burger king flame broils their whopper, you think I call McDonalds 1-800 number and complain to them cause they sell hamburgers too? |
| 12:49.39 | tralala | silvertip257, in this case a development channel will know better |
| 12:50.03 | Menthu | I'd be interested in one with a good troubleshooting section.. |
| 12:50.20 | wols_ | nvz: any excuse to harras MickeyD :) |
| 12:50.42 | wols_ | Menthu: error messages and logs are a wonderful thing |
| 12:51.15 | silvertip257 | tralala: thanks for being understanding |
| 12:51.36 | silvertip257 | but I'm just gonna leave if no one's gonna help ... I do thank you though tralala |
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| 12:51.47 | wols_ | tralala: interesting how you are understanding and we are sweared at, yet we said the same thing |
| 12:51.51 | abrotman | darn kids from PA! |
| 12:52.41 | tralala | wols_, you don't look as good as I do! |
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| 12:53.23 | wols_ | wait til I have my pony! then I will look better than any of you! |
| 12:53.37 | tralala | but really I didn't get it myself - I thought he was being sarcastic |
| 12:53.53 | tralala | !nopony wols_ |
| 12:53.53 | dpkg | wols_: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
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| 12:55.03 | wols_ | tralala: it's all YOUR fault I'm ugly! |
| 12:55.16 | wols_ | denying me my pony, wah! |
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| 12:56.57 | tralala | :) |
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| 12:59.09 | kryptoz | am trying to configure squid with pam auth.. |
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| 12:59.24 | kryptoz | and I am getting no where.. can anyone please help me with this ? |
| 12:59.34 | kryptoz | squid start without any error |
| 12:59.40 | kryptoz | and it works, but no auth happens |
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| 13:06.18 | SRabbelier | Heya, at bootup it hangs for like a minute saying 'Starting Netatalk services', I looked it up, and that's Apple/Mac stuff, and I don't have any Macs in my network. Is it safe to disable this service, and if so, how would be the best way to do that? |
| 13:07.15 | abrotman | remove the netatalk package |
| 13:07.19 | nvz | wols_: I worked there for awhile last year.. actually wasn't too bad. I was feuding with my boss who seemed to think I didn't have any other options, and well there was a McD's across the street so I went to work there to pay my bills :P |
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| 13:08.05 | SRabbelier | abrotman: Is there anything non-macish that uses the package? |
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| 13:08.48 | endra | .. off topic but worth the watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40 |
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| 13:09.28 | blubberdiblub | SRabbelier: usually not. in the reverse dependencies i can only find tkchooser, but that package only _suggests_ netatalk, so it should be safe to remove |
| 13:09.43 | SRabbelier | Thanks! |
| 13:09.50 | nvz | wols_: when you're living by yourself working at a resturant of some kind always seems to be a good idea.. the whole food benefits thing.. |
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| 13:10.31 | utopia_ | I work at a bar myself :) computer's are just a cool hobby and mcdonald's food is nice! ;-) |
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| 13:10.35 | nvz | speaking of food.. I think I'm going to go make sausage and eggs on toast for breakfast |
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| 13:11.20 | nvz | utopia_: I don't really care for McD's food.. but I like the breakfast. gives me horrid gas.. but thats fun sometimes too.. being able to clear a room |
| 13:11.39 | utopia_ | rofl |
| 13:11.46 | utopia_ | yeah they're breakfast's are wack, thats for sure |
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| 13:13.04 | nvz | yeah well when I worked overnight I'd usually leave there with a free breakfast.. and well its probably the easiest job I ever had. |
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| 13:13.30 | Danielss89 | hi |
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| 13:13.35 | utopia_ | i worked there when i was in school..eat as much as you like for free :) |
| 13:13.36 | Danielss89 | where can i set the name of my server.. |
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| 13:13.40 | spheard | !vim |
| 13:13.40 | dpkg | vim is probably the only true editor, or does syntax highlighting, has graphical X interface. Extremely popular vi clone that does syntax highlighting or don't forget to get .vimrc file from http://www.vim.org or the best thing since sliced bread, an editor that rocks your socks!!!, or something very cool, said because we need to have as long a block of text as the emacs factoid |
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| 13:13.43 | Danielss89 | right now its server1.example.com |
| 13:14.08 | spheard | how do I enable syntax highlighting in vim? |
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| 13:14.20 | spheard | I get E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version |
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| 13:14.39 | nvz | utopia_: yeah they got some good benefits if you wanna stay there and go to school.. they are pretty flexible, you get discounts at all kinds of major retailers. |
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| 13:16.30 | nvz | I'm trying to get in at the BP here right now cause I am working on a plan to take over my mentors business, and they're paying $8/hr to do nothing basically and they'll pay for me to go back to school for business if I make em think I'm gonna stay there.. heh.. gives me just enough time and money to do what I need to do right now. |
| 13:16.32 | wols_ | nvz: don't forget to state those non-money benefits with your income tax! |
| 13:16.45 | hark | spheard: :syntax on? |
| 13:17.36 | spheard | hark: no, E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version |
| 13:17.47 | hark | spheard: install vim-runtime |
| 13:18.18 | blubberdiblub | Danielss89: well, that may actually be a not-that-simple issue, depending on your box' setup, your network's setup, your services running. first make sure that /etc/hostname contains the name you want |
| 13:18.33 | nvz | last time I worked at a gas station they were only paying like $6.50 the only thing that really annoyed me was the weirdo's that bought lottery tickets.. but for $8/hr and the place closes at 11pm, thats ideal for me.. I can spend my nights at my shop getting shit together |
| 13:19.43 | blubberdiblub | Danielss89: then, if you don't want to reboot for activating that, run: hostname yournewname |
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| 13:20.51 | nvz | plus its where all the cops hang out and all the rich people around get their gas.. so I'll hear all the gossip and be able to pitch to potential clients while I'm standing around getting paid to do nothing |
| 13:21.00 | Fox_1_ | hi all, I have two internet channels(ch1 and ch2). all people in network use ch1. I have two servers for each channels. how can I configure ch1 and ch2 servers that when someone connect to ssh it use ch2? if you don't understand please ask questions :) |
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| 13:21.39 | abrotman | if we don't understand? |
| 13:21.44 | stew | nvz: -> #debian-offtopic |
| 13:21.52 | blubberdiblub | Danielss89: then check up the documentation of the services which don't automatically take over that newly set name on how to configure them. (especially if you run your own dns) |
| 13:21.52 | Fox_1_ | yes :) |
| 13:21.53 | abrotman | oh .. he's there |
| 13:22.29 | stew | Fox_1_: what is a "channel"? |
| 13:23.14 | Fox_1_ | :) I mean I use two probiders :) |
| 13:23.29 | abrotman | if all the people in the network use ch1 .. why is there a ch2 ? |
| 13:23.34 | abrotman | providers |
| 13:23.40 | tralala | stew, same as tube, only it doesn't get filled in that quickly |
| 13:23.41 | Fox_1_ | it's for backup |
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| 13:23.51 | unlink | how do i reject mail for users like 'mail' with exim? |
| 13:24.03 | wols_ | Fox_1_: you can redirect the port for ssh to ch2 |
| 13:24.05 | abrotman | alias it to nobody .. it'll go to devnull |
| 13:24.18 | Fox_1_ | and it's more faster(and expensive) |
| 13:24.19 | unlink | oh, thanks |
| 13:24.30 | Fox_1_ | wols_: how? |
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| 13:24.36 | Fox_1_ | I use shorewall |
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| 13:25.07 | abrotman | iptables |
| 13:25.22 | Fox_1_ | as I know shorewall use iptables |
| 13:25.23 | giupy | well, i have installed nvidia-kernel but nvidia-glx no, aptitude says me that is broken |
| 13:25.35 | wols_ | abrotman: he wants a full iptables line from you. you can't expect him to find out by himsefl |
| 13:25.36 | Fox_1_ | I need the roules |
| 13:25.38 | stew | Fox_1_: so you have two internet connections. you want everything to use one, except for ssh? |
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| 13:25.52 | Fox_1_ | yes |
| 13:25.59 | blubberdiblub | giupy: you've installed the source package, compiled and installed the resulting package? like with m-a install? |
| 13:26.13 | wols_ | giupy: your error reporting and problem describing skills are borken too. you and the nvidia drives are even I guess |
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| 13:26.26 | Fox_1_ | ch1 - 10.137.25.5, ch2 - 10.137.25.1 |
| 13:26.29 | giupy | blubberdiblub i have made: "make module" and "make install" |
| 13:26.35 | stew | Fox_1_: the easiest way is to use the mangle table of iptables to add a fwmark to ssh packets, then a 'rule' with 'ip' the routes to a different table if the mark is present |
| 13:26.38 | abrotman | wols_: i know that's what he wants .. |
| 13:26.48 | stew | Fox_1_: do you have multiple routing tables already/ |
| 13:27.15 | giupy | blubberdiblub i didn't modprobe the module because it's seems to be the fb, i don't want fb |
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| 13:27.20 | wols_ | Fox_1_: you have two servers, each with his wn internet connection. sever named ch1 an dch2? |
| 13:27.29 | Fox_1_ | yes |
| 13:27.36 | blubberdiblub | giupy: well, i'm not familiar with the normal way to compile a kernel, just the debian way. i use make-kpkg kernel-image to build the kernel, and then after having installed that, m-a install extra-source-package-name |
| 13:27.39 | nofxx | hello.. I had squid and dansguardian working blazing yesterday... just got here today... dansguardian claims cant lock some clamav folder... and it dosent work |
| 13:27.46 | nofxx | without antivirus, is working... slow.... |
| 13:27.58 | nofxx | there are some kind of maitenance I should get cron? |
| 13:28.05 | wols_ | Fox_1_: and if someone acceses ssh on ch1 you want it to redirect it to ch2 and use its internet connection? |
| 13:28.11 | giupy | blubberdiblub i have simply recompiled with make-kpkg and after i have installed the modules |
| 13:28.17 | Fox_1_ | wols_: yes |
| 13:28.28 | blubberdiblub | giupy: the nvidia glx kernel drivers are addon modules, they have to be compiled additionally. they don't compile in the normal kernel roll |
| 13:28.35 | Fox_1_ | and in both servers I shorewall |
| 13:28.37 | stew | Fox_1_: oh, this is for incoming ssh? |
| 13:28.38 | wols_ | giupy: that won't give you the nvidia kernel drivers |
| 13:28.50 | Fox_1_ | no, for outgoing |
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| 13:29.19 | tralala | Fox_1_, of course this can only work if you know all the ports that might be used for ssh. I personally use 443 to avoid firewall/proxy blocks, so if I was in your network my ssh connections would still go through ch1 |
| 13:29.27 | stew | Fox_1_: do you have multiple routing tables setup? |
| 13:29.33 | giupy | blubberdiblub however when i try to install them with aptitude, it says me nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-1.0.7185 wich is a virtual package |
| 13:29.53 | giupy | i have installed nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx |
| 13:29.54 | blubberdiblub | giupy: yeah, that's normal, as you have to compile and install the addon module first |
| 13:29.58 | tralala | giupy, /msg dpkg nvidia-one-liner |
| 13:30.09 | stew | oh, i see, he just has multiple routers |
| 13:30.31 | stew | Fox_1_: you really want to put both internet connections on the same router, and set it up for split access: /msg dpkg split access |
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| 13:30.53 | stew | Fox_1_: after that is working it is easy to have that one machine decide which internet connection to use for any given outgoing packet |
| 13:30.58 | tralala | giupy, I meant nvidia one liner |
| 13:31.09 | stew | Fox_1_: as it stands now, you are going to have to setup split access on every individual machine |
| 13:31.15 | Fox_1_ | I want to keep both servers |
| 13:31.37 | blubberdiblub | tralala: he's rolling his own kernel |
| 13:31.45 | Fox_1_ | I need to keep |
| 13:31.49 | Fox_1_ | them |
| 13:32.22 | wols_ | giupy: shorty answer: until you compile a nvidia krenel module and load ti via modrprobe nvidia: no 3D for you |
| 13:32.23 | blubberdiblub | giupy: try: m-a install nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source (using the module-assistant package) |
| 13:32.39 | tralala | blubberdiblub, the factoid covers even this case |
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| 13:33.23 | stew | Fox_1_: then you will want to setup some machine that is connected to both, and have all the other machines use this new machine as their default gateway |
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| 13:33.28 | Janni | Hello. |
| 13:33.49 | stew | Fox_1_: OR you have to setup split access on every single machine that should know to use both connections |
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| 13:35.05 | Fox_1_ | you meen user's machines? |
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| 13:36.08 | Janni | I recently switched from FreeBSD to Debian on my laptop. With FreeBSD I have been using rsync to backup my data over LAN on my router (FreeBSD system) automatically. I'd like to do the same now with Debian. Of course I can simply use rsync as before, but I wanted to ask, if Debian provides a way to select exactly those files which are necessary to have a COMPLETE system backup, but without everything thas easily downloadable... |
| 13:36.09 | stew | Fox_1_: yes, you either need to setup some new router that is connected to both firewall, and have it do the routing, and have all the user machines use this as their default gateway, or you have to setup every user machine to know about both |
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| 13:36.15 | Janni | Let me explain this a bit better: |
| 13:36.31 | staniel | hello guys |
| 13:36.32 | blubberdiblub | tralala: fair enough :) tho i find it kinda long-winded to hike through the several factoids ;) |
| 13:36.32 | Fox_1_ | so, I can't do that with two servers? |
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| 13:36.57 | abrotman | he could redirect with iptables if they can talk to each other |
| 13:37.04 | staniel | im trying to update my system, and it seems that the module-assistant is unable to build the nvidia module |
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| 13:37.19 | stew | abrotman: how? |
| 13:37.22 | tralala | abrotman, iptables alone won't do the trick |
| 13:37.23 | Janni | What I think of is the following scenario: My laptop crashes (from a 7 floor building). Now I simply install the Debian base system from CD-ROM on a new laptop. Then I get the backup from the router and everything will be exactly as before... |
| 13:37.37 | Fox_1_ | abrotman: can you send iptables or shorewall roules? |
| 13:37.45 | abrotman | i don't know jack about shorewall |
| 13:37.57 | abrotman | stew: you can have incoming connections get redirected to another IP |
| 13:38.01 | tralala | Fox_1_, you could if you knew what you were doing, but given that you don't - you can't |
| 13:38.14 | abrotman | unless i'm missing part of the problem |
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| 13:38.31 | Janni | So, is there an intelligent backup system, which determines which config-files have changed, which are original (and therefore installed by the package), which automatically installs all the packages which have been there on the old (crashed/backuped) system, etc... |
| 13:38.31 | staniel | I get an error message of "FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops" |
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| 13:38.53 | tralala | Fox_1_, /msg dpkg lartc |
| 13:39.04 | tralala | this will help you appreciate the problem |
| 13:39.14 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 13:39.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 13:39.41 | stew | abrotman: ok, so lets say my default gateway is 10.1.0.1 and an alternative gateway is 10.2.0.1 and we want outgoing ssh to go over 10.2.0.1. i run ssh 1.2.3.4, the syn packet goes to 10.1.0.1, what rule on 10.1.0.1 would force this connection over 10.2.0.1 instead? |
| 13:39.54 | tralala | abrotman, he doesn't want to change the connection's destination, only the default route |
| 13:40.15 | abrotman | wtf .. why? |
| 13:40.26 | abrotman | stew: i thought he wanted to go to a different server |
| 13:40.33 | Fox_1_ | yes, stew is write |
| 13:40.35 | stew | abrotman: by 'server' he means 'firewall' |
| 13:40.35 | abrotman | right |
| 13:40.37 | Fox_1_ | write=right |
| 13:40.49 | tralala | abrotman, not to, but *through* |
| 13:40.55 | abrotman | stew: oh .. so i did miss the part where we rewrote the whole question :) |
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| 13:41.22 | wols_ | stew: simply forwarding every port 22 outgping connection to 10.2.0.1? |
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| 13:41.25 | stew | abrotman: i'm a double espresso ahead of you |
| 13:41.26 | abrotman | he could try asking #iptables .. but i'm not sure |
| 13:41.34 | abrotman | stew: i don't drink coffee :) |
| 13:41.50 | stew | abrotman: then i'm two ahead of you |
| 13:41.54 | stew | wols_: how? |
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| 13:42.02 | tralala | wols_, this will make all ssh connections go to the router instead of their real destination |
| 13:42.17 | abrotman | doesn't the destination server have two IPs ? |
| 13:42.20 | stew | this can't be done with iptables alone, it requires SOME machine to have multiple routing tables and an 'ip rule add....' to select them |
| 13:42.30 | wols_ | stew: a mark which only checks for port 22? |
| 13:42.37 | wols_ | and don't care about IP? |
| 13:43.01 | abrotman | he'd really do better to ask #iptables than have us sit here and speculate about a poorly worded question :) |
| 13:43.01 | stew | wols_: right. that's what i'm trying to tell him, but as he has it now, he'd then have to setup every client machine with multiple routing tables, and I dont' think that is what he wants |
| 13:43.16 | abrotman | he has two outgoing routers? |
| 13:43.21 | blubberdiblub | stew: couldn't he let the redirected packets be masqueraded as 10.2.0.1? so the server would answer back to 10.2.0.1 too ... |
| 13:43.22 | stew | yes, and he needs to have one |
| 13:43.22 | tralala | I've alredy pointed him to lartc - it's all explained there |
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| 13:43.35 | abrotman | stew: put a third in .. bridge the network .. and have it do the routing for ssh |
| 13:43.53 | stew | blubberdiblub: what do you mean by a redirected packet? |
| 13:44.01 | stew | blubberdiblub: how is this packet redirected? |
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| 13:44.08 | tralala | stew, it seems that both of his routers are on the same network so he can do the routing table trick without bugging the clients |
| 13:44.21 | cope[dev] | night guys |
| 13:44.33 | blubberdiblub | stew: it's about diverting the ssh-connection over 10.2.0.1 instead of 10.1.0.1, or did i misunderstand that? |
| 13:44.41 | stew | blubberdiblub: yes |
| 13:45.18 | stew | tralala: oh, so setup one of the two 'servers' with the multiple routing tables? |
| 13:45.37 | tralala | stew, yes |
| 13:45.50 | stew | and so one firewall has a second routing table with the other firewall as the default gateway? |
| 13:45.57 | stew | yeah, that could work |
| 13:46.03 | stew | its goofy though |
| 13:46.08 | tralala | why? |
| 13:46.23 | stew | cuz ? |
| 13:46.34 | stew | Fox_1_: are you following this at all? |
| 13:46.51 | abrotman | i liked my suggestion more! |
| 13:47.08 | abrotman | it involved more hardware! |
| 13:47.22 | Fox_1_ | yes |
| 13:47.46 | tralala | abrotman, heh :) it didn't involve any soldering though - so it's rejected |
| 13:47.51 | abrotman | tralala: it could! |
| 13:48.11 | abrotman | tralala: why wouldn't you want to solder a vacuum tube to your router! |
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| 13:48.44 | tralala | abrotman, now that your asking I can't find any reason against it... |
| 13:48.48 | tralala | you're |
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| 13:48.58 | stew | Fox_1_: '/msg dpkg split access' to setup the normally default gateway with two routing tables, then you'll want to add an iptables rule something like 'iptables -A PREROUTING -t mangle -p tcp --dport 22 -j MARK --set-mark 1' then setup a rule 'ip rule add from all fwmark 1 table otherfirewall' where otherfirewall is the routing table that uses the other connection |
| 13:49.10 | alich | after my dist-upgrade, my the locale in g++ won't work |
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| 13:49.16 | alich | I have done locale-gen |
| 13:49.27 | homa_rano | how do I determine whether I'm running sarge or etch? |
| 13:49.28 | alich | and locale -a shows all my locales (which I use). |
| 13:49.30 | wols_ | !tell alich about locales |
| 13:49.38 | wols_ | !tell homa_rano about version |
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| 13:50.00 | stew | homa_rano: check which version of libc6 you have installed |
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| 13:50.30 | tralala | homa_rano, the real question is which one would you want to run? |
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| 13:51.07 | homa_rano | I was just wondering if I should upgrade to the other stable |
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| 13:51.19 | homa_rano | and /etc/debian_version says 4.0 |
| 13:51.28 | wols_ | homa_rano: it isn't a bad idea to run etch. shiny new software and all that :) |
| 13:51.29 | tralala | homa_rano, there isn't any other stable - it's only etch |
| 13:51.34 | wols_ | homa_rano: that is etch |
| 13:51.39 | cmo-0 | what does an '*' means in the password field of an account in the /etc/shadow file |
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| 13:51.49 | homa_rano | tralala: that all depends on when I installed the OS now doesn't it |
| 13:51.56 | wols_ | homa_rano: put etch in your sources.list isntead of testing or stable |
| 13:51.58 | fireba11 | cmo-0 : no login possible |
| 13:52.12 | abrotman | cmo-0: passwd is locked .. |
| 13:52.13 | homa_rano | sources.list only says stable, and that seems to work |
| 13:52.30 | abrotman | homa_rano: are you having a problem? |
| 13:52.45 | tralala | homa_rano, imo it only depends on the debian release cycle + the current date/time |
| 13:52.47 | homa_rano | abrotman: not anymore |
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| 13:53.19 | cmo-0 | i have a login for running an intranet web application. this application uses latex, and i need to set some variables for it to see certain files. how can i do this |
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| 13:54.13 | alich | wols_: i have done that, but it still won't work. |
| 13:55.11 | tralala | cmo-0, which part of this question was debian related? |
| 13:55.16 | wols_ | "doesn't work |
| 13:55.27 | alich | g++-3.3 recognize my locales, but not g++ (4.1.2-12) |
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| 13:55.54 | blubberdiblub | alich: try installing the corresponding gcc-locales package (like gcc-4.1-locales) |
| 13:56.03 | alich | they are installed... |
| 13:56.10 | cmo-0 | the whole stuff works on top of debian. so i thoght there is a debian specific procedure |
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| 13:56.30 | Genbit | Hi all, I have established Samsung ML-1210 using CUPS, but after each page a delay in some seconds. How I can solve this problem? |
| 13:56.36 | blubberdiblub | alich: is your $LANG variable set up for your locale? |
| 13:56.48 | tralala | cmo-0, most likely there's your-web-application specific procedure |
| 13:57.04 | alich | my locale in linux is set to en_US, but Im using sv_SE in my application |
| 13:57.15 | alich | it has not been any problem before the dist-upgrade. |
| 13:57.32 | alich | std::locale loc("sv_SE") in c++ that is. |
| 13:58.09 | abrotman | he might have to logout or set it manually |
| 13:58.46 | blubberdiblub | alich: oh, you mean localizing your application doesn't work? |
| 13:58.49 | tralala | of course all this would depend on the misterious web app |
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| 14:00.07 | alich | blubberdiblub: yes, i know it may/may not be debian related, but the gcc channel is so no-responsive. |
| 14:00.24 | nyk2005 | What do I have to do to the SSLEngine directive in apache2? |
| 14:00.35 | abrotman | to do what? |
| 14:00.46 | blubberdiblub | alich: well, sorry, i'm not into coding localization ... i thought you meant localizing the output of g++ didn't work ... |
| 14:00.49 | Noborusan | hi abrotman ,how are you |
| 14:00.50 | dpkg | mas o menos, Noborusan |
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| 14:00.56 | alich | blubberdiblub: ok, thx anyway |
| 14:00.57 | abrotman | Noborusan: ah hi |
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| 14:01.19 | abrotman | DawnLight: you need a new ISP and IRC client :) |
| 14:01.28 | Noborusan | abrotman, would you tell me,what to do is the easiest way to share internet with windows from a debian box ? |
| 14:01.35 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 14:01.35 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 14:01.38 | staniel | does anyone have a workaround for the nvidia 'paravirt_ops' issue? |
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| 14:02.55 | wols_ | cmo-0: you mean environment variables? |
| 14:03.04 | cmo-0 | yes |
| 14:03.08 | abrotman | DawnLight: you need a new ISP and IRC client :) |
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| 14:03.13 | wols_ | cmo-0: if yes: man insctsript is a solution |
| 14:03.56 | wols_ | cmo-0: man initscript |
| 14:03.58 | DawnLight | i want to upgrade my bios without using a floppy. how can i do that? abit gives me only ms-dos flash utility and tells me to use windows to creaet the ms-dos startup floppy |
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| 14:04.27 | wols_ | DawnLight: via a bootable CD that has FreeDOS |
| 14:04.28 | abrotman | DawnLight: you don't hve a floppy drive ? |
| 14:04.32 | DawnLight | abrotman: i've just finished buying parts for my new box today |
| 14:04.43 | wols_ | abrotman: what are floppy drives? |
| 14:04.43 | abrotman | DawnLight: that doesn't help you with your ISP or IRC client |
| 14:04.49 | abrotman | wols_: i still buy them here :) |
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| 14:05.07 | wols_ | ewll, you're old. and crazy |
| 14:05.19 | abrotman | wols_: you try to install windows without the damn things |
| 14:05.26 | stew | no thanks |
| 14:05.29 | Noborusan | abrotman, oh man,wait, i think i do need a router or switch to do this stuff ? |
| 14:05.47 | abrotman | Noborusan: ah .. need no .. makes it a ton easier .. yes |
| 14:05.50 | wols_ | abrotman: nliteos.com. don't tell me you install patches for 6 hours after the initial windows install too |
| 14:05.55 | DawnLight | floppy :-P |
| 14:05.58 | tralala | abrotman, I wouldn't try even with them |
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| 14:06.21 | abrotman | wols_: "Hi, I'm windows and i'm going to try to install on your brand new hardware .. OH CRAP .. YOU HAVE NO HARD DRIVE!!!" |
| 14:06.31 | abrotman | and no amount of bios fiddling will help |
| 14:06.33 | CyberMad | how to extract tar.bz2 ? |
| 14:06.36 | wols_ | Noborusan: do you have a 2nd NIC in your deian box? |
| 14:06.36 | Noborusan | abrotman, haha,thanks :D |
| 14:06.41 | DawnLight | i'll try the FreeDos thing, wols_. thanks |
| 14:06.57 | nofxx | After some time, and now 100mb on the cache, my squid starts to crawl.... and I got 'write failure: (32) Broken pipe. |
| 14:06.58 | nofxx | '.... there are some kind of maintenance I missed? |
| 14:06.58 | Noborusan | wols_, no,it has a built in card,intel 7230 motherboard |
| 14:07.01 | wols_ | CyberMad: man tar |
| 14:07.05 | abrotman | Noborusan: you will need one of a) switch b) router c) second NIC in the debian box |
| 14:07.17 | wols_ | Noborusan: not very possible without a 2nd NIC. then it's easy tho |
| 14:07.20 | abrotman | or some combination |
| 14:07.36 | nofxx | I got that error on daemon.log |
| 14:07.36 | cmo-0 | wols_: i've done sudo apt-get install initscripts, but man initscript do not work. |
| 14:07.56 | Noborusan | abrotman and wols_ i See,thanks |
| 14:08.20 | wols_ | cmo-0: what debian version? |
| 14:08.29 | abrotman | wols_: sometimes .. i think people think we make answers up ... |
| 14:08.52 | wols_ | abrotman: you don't? I always do. more fun this way |
| 14:09.05 | wols_ | cmo-0: well? |
| 14:09.31 | cmo-0 | debian morphed into ubuntu! |
| 14:09.40 | CyberMad | i tried with tar -zxvf filename.tar.bz2 but doesn't work |
| 14:09.52 | wols_ | cool. then ask ubuntu. since EVERY debian has /usr/share/man/man5/initscript.5.gz |
| 14:09.59 | wols_ | since yours doesn't it means it's no debian |
| 14:10.07 | CyberMad | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
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| 14:10.11 | wols_ | CyberMad: bzip2 is not gzip |
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| 14:10.29 | wols_ | CyberMad: if you man tar and look for bzip you will find it |
| 14:10.30 | Zee1ot | hey guys...I have a webserver on debian etch and I installed webmin, then a friend tried to setup the firewall in webmin and locked everything out...anyone know how I can disable this? I cannot get back into webmin or anything..but I have local access |
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| 14:10.56 | wols_ | Zee1ot: no. a) we don't really support webming b) if you are locked out you are locked out, period |
| 14:10.59 | CyberMad | ok |
| 14:11.20 | abrotman | CyberMad: man gzip find the right option |
| 14:11.21 | giupy | is there a problem with sources.list and nvidia-glx |
| 14:11.24 | wols_ | local access is fine. flush your iptables. but we don't really know what shit webmin did besides making you box less secure |
| 14:11.45 | wols_ | abrotman: with a tar.bz2 archive? you find it in man gzip? you have strange manpages |
| 14:11.52 | abrotman | wols_: damn you |
| 14:11.55 | wols_ | giupy: no there is not |
| 14:11.57 | abrotman | CyberMad: man tar find the right option |
| 14:12.00 | cmo-0 | in debian you can use /etc/initscript to set vars on startup |
| 14:12.04 | abrotman | wols_: i made the first answer up :) |
| 14:12.04 | giupy | nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-1.0.7185 which is a virtual package |
| 14:12.14 | wols_ | !beer abrotman |
| 14:12.16 | stew | Zee1ot: you want to undo the firewall? |
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| 14:12.23 | CyberMad | abrotman it's j, so tar -xvfj filename.tar.bz2 |
| 14:12.24 | wols_ | I'm sooo proud of you *sniff* |
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| 14:12.25 | Zee1ot | yes |
| 14:12.30 | wols_ | CyberMad: good job |
| 14:12.34 | abrotman | CyberMad: GOOD JOB! |
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| 14:12.38 | abrotman | !pony CyberMad |
| 14:12.40 | blubberdiblub | giupy: as i said, you need to compile the add-on kernel module first, and install the package it creates. that one will provide the dependecy |
| 14:12.42 | CyberMad | but doesn't work! |
| 14:12.43 | CyberMad | :P |
| 14:12.43 | wols_ | giupy: paste your sources.list please |
| 14:12.45 | abrotman | whyn ot! |
| 14:12.46 | CyberMad | damn.. hehe |
| 14:12.52 | abrotman | !nopony CyberMad |
| 14:12.52 | dpkg | CyberMad: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 14:12.55 | CyberMad | tar: j: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 14:12.59 | wols_ | abrotman: hey! why does he get a pony and not me??? |
| 14:13.01 | stew | Zee1ot: iptalbes -P INPUT ACCEPT : iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT ; iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT ; iptables -F |
| 14:13.04 | CyberMad | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 14:13.05 | abrotman | wols_: you're german |
| 14:13.15 | stew | Zee1ot: err s/iptalbes/iptables/ |
| 14:13.15 | Zee1ot | stew thanks ill go try that |
| 14:13.21 | abrotman | CyberMad: file <filename> .. what does it say ? |
| 14:13.22 | giupy | wols_ deb ftp://ftp.it.debian.org/debian sid .... with main, contrib and non-free |
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| 14:13.23 | Zee1ot | ? |
| 14:13.30 | stew | Zee1ot: but this won't be permanant, and wont fix whatever locked you out in the first place |
| 14:13.36 | abrotman | CyberMad: or just try tar -xf <filename> |
| 14:13.39 | CyberMad | abrotman wait.. |
| 14:13.41 | Zee1ot | I know |
| 14:13.42 | abrotman | no! |
| 14:13.53 | Zee1ot | I'm going to edit webmin when I can get in |
| 14:13.55 | CyberMad | jabberd-2.1.6.tar.bz2: bzip2 compressed data, block size = 900k |
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| 14:14.09 | wols_ | giupy: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx |
| 14:14.18 | giupy | blubberdiblub i have installed nvidia-kernel-legacy but when i try to load nvidia module it gives me an error |
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| 14:14.41 | abrotman | CyberMad: are you on debian ? |
| 14:14.41 | mantang0 | How di I find out what filesystem a partition has? |
| 14:14.47 | abrotman | fstab |
| 14:14.50 | CyberMad | abrotman tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 14:14.59 | wols_ | mantang0: is it already mounted? |
| 14:14.59 | CyberMad | abrotman yes,.. i'm on Etch |
| 14:15.03 | abrotman | CyberMad: do you have bzip2 installed ? |
| 14:15.04 | hark | CyberMad: f has to be the last option |
| 14:15.07 | mantang0 | wols_: yes |
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| 14:15.13 | wols_ | CyberMad: install bzip2 |
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| 14:15.20 | wols_ | mantang0: "mount" |
| 14:15.41 | CyberMad | wols_ maybe that's the problem.. i will try it |
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| 14:16.21 | Fox_1_ | ok, buys I understand that it better to make one server for all my connections |
| 14:16.28 | abrotman | i said it too!!!!!!! |
| 14:16.30 | stew | CyberMad: is there a reason you are trying to comile the upstream sources instead of backporting the debian package? |
| 14:16.32 | CyberMad | that's work! |
| 14:16.45 | mantang0 | wols_: sorry, having a bad morning. just looked in fstab. thanks! |
| 14:16.46 | Fox_1_ | thanks for your help, I really help me |
| 14:16.51 | CyberMad | after install bzip2, then do tar -xf <filename> |
| 14:16.53 | blubberdiblub | giupy: you've installed nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source, right? and then you ran "m-a install nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source", right? |
| 14:17.13 | stew | CyberMad: no "tar xjf filename" ; but why not backport the debian packages instead? |
| 14:17.55 | giupy | Installation of the nvidia-kernel-legacy-source source failed. |
| 14:18.02 | giupy | m-a says me that |
| 14:18.09 | cmo-0 | if i have x folder which have 1.tex ande 2.tex files, and another x folder (inside y folder) that contains 2.tex and 3.tex. how can i move or copy the first x into the second. i've tried mv --update x y/x but it didn't work |
| 14:18.14 | Zee1ot | stew thanks that worked, he is undoing everything he did now |
| 14:18.26 | CyberMad | stew but with tar -xf works ok.. because if i use apt-get install jabber, i don't know how to configure the MySQL support for jabber |
| 14:18.27 | giupy | Maybe you need to add something to |
| 14:18.32 | giupy | sources.list |
| 14:18.44 | wols_ | cp * y |
| 14:18.44 | giupy | blubberdiblub that is the problem |
| 14:18.58 | stew | CyberMad: then why not backport jabberd2-mysql ; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:19.08 | abrotman | it's only in exp |
| 14:19.27 | abrotman | !info jabberd2-mysql experimental |
| 14:19.32 | CyberMad | stew it's experimental.. is it safe? well i prefer jabberd2-mysql use apt-get |
| 14:19.33 | giupy | can it be the reason that i use 2.6.18 ? |
| 14:19.41 | assasukasse | hi, how can i close all the incoming ssh connection on my machine? |
| 14:19.50 | abrotman | assasukasse: shut down sshd |
| 14:19.58 | assasukasse | /etc/init.d/ssh stop? |
| 14:20.02 | petemc | that leaves connections open, i thought |
| 14:20.04 | dpkg | jabberd2-mysql: (Jabber Open Source Instant Messenger Server (MySQL)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0s11-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 567 kB, Installed size: 1480 kB |
| 14:20.12 | blubberdiblub | giupy: well, the packages are in debian sid. and i'm using 2.6.18 as well, with nvidia-legacy-96xx here, but it would be the same process, just exchange 71xx for it ... |
| 14:20.13 | abrotman | assasukasse: you want all of them dead? |
| 14:20.19 | assasukasse | yes abrotman |
| 14:20.20 | stew | CyberMad: backporting the debian package should be no less safe than compiling from upstream sources, and would make it easier to upgrade or remove later |
| 14:20.26 | wols_ | assasukasse: killall sshd |
| 14:20.27 | assasukasse | killall sshd? |
| 14:20.29 | abrotman | assasukasse: killall sshd |
| 14:20.32 | assasukasse | ah i guessed :D |
| 14:20.33 | abrotman | as root |
| 14:20.39 | giupy | blubberdiblub hm, i have those problems |
| 14:20.39 | assasukasse | thanks |
| 14:20.39 | abrotman | and then shutdown sshd |
| 14:20.48 | wols_ | and for extra brutality: killall -9 |
| 14:20.48 | CyberMad | stew would you help me.. what source do i need to add to sources.list ? |
| 14:20.49 | abrotman | assasukasse: wait .. are you sshed in too ? |
| 14:20.55 | CyberMad | where do i find that? |
| 14:20.57 | wols_ | CyberMad: for? |
| 14:21.14 | assasukasse | abrotman: sometime the ssh tunnel i set up gets stuck, so i have to close it and wait for the respawn.. |
| 14:21.19 | wols_ | CyberMad: sid sources (not binaries!) |
| 14:21.23 | CyberMad | because apt-get install jabberd-mysql found nothing |
| 14:21.27 | abrotman | assasukasse: eh .. if you shutdown sshd .. it won't answr |
| 14:21.28 | abrotman | answer |
| 14:21.31 | CyberMad | do i miss something.. sorry |
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| 14:21.39 | CyberMad | i thought i must add more sources |
| 14:21.47 | CyberMad | at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:21.51 | RichiH | does rdesktop support mounting of local disks in windows? |
| 14:21.53 | assasukasse | abrotman: yes, i just kill sshd then restart it..so that next respawn it freshen up |
| 14:21.56 | DawnLight | i'm downloading the FreeDOS iso. can i add the BIOS files to the iso, or would that break it somehow? |
| 14:22.02 | wols_ | CyberMad: what's in there right now? |
| 14:22.09 | RichiH | or any other linux-based RDP client? |
| 14:22.18 | wols_ | DawnLight: you can add it |
| 14:22.21 | CyberMad | wols_ paste to pastebin, right? |
| 14:22.32 | wols_ | CyberMad: yes! |
| 14:23.02 | CyberMad | http://www.pastebin.ca/579074 |
| 14:23.09 | blubberdiblub | giupy: but why does your m-a say, that installation of "nvidia-kernel-legacy" failed? that's what i don't understand ... if you ask it to compile legacy-71xx, why did m-a cut away the 71xx part? |
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| 14:23.28 | ma3x | can you run msdos programs in linux? |
| 14:23.52 | giupy | blubberdiblub it say the same things about the 71xx |
| 14:24.05 | giupy | i think my sources.list has ptoblems |
| 14:24.07 | stew | CyberMad: deb-src http://debian.indika.net.id/debian/ experimental main ; then run apt-get update ; apt-get build-dep jabberd2-mysql ; apt-get -b source jabberd2-mysql |
| 14:24.13 | stew | CyberMad: note that it is deb-src, not deb |
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| 14:24.20 | CyberMad | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/net/jabberd2-mysql |
| 14:24.29 | CyberMad | ok |
| 14:24.41 | wols_ | CyberMad: you'd need to backport it: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=jabberd2-mysql&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 14:24.44 | blubberdiblub | giupy: well, what does "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source" say? does it bail out with an error, too? |
| 14:24.45 | stew | CyberMad: you don't want to install the binary package, you want to compile it from source |
| 14:24.45 | wols_ | from experimental |
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| 14:25.19 | giupy | nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-1.0.7185 which is a virtual package |
| 14:25.28 | giupy | blubberdiblub is say that |
| 14:25.32 | giupy | it |
| 14:25.38 | DawnLight | wols_: thanks |
| 14:25.42 | unlink | i'm getting SMTP synchronization errors when i try to use accept TLS connections with exim from every mailer/testing app except swaks (thunderbird, evolution, openssl, outlook) |
| 14:25.43 | blubberdiblub | giupy: note the -source ending |
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| 14:26.09 | DawnLight | thanks everyone |
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| 14:26.09 | blubberdiblub | giupy: type it exactly as i said |
| 14:26.09 | unlink | is it really appropriate to disable smtp_enforce_sync? |
| 14:26.18 | CyberMad | just a minute guys.. :) |
| 14:26.21 | abrotman | ma3x: yes |
| 14:26.28 | giupy | i have tried that too, now i'm tryng with oothers sources |
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| 14:26.48 | curt_ | if you add up the sum of the rss column from ps shouldn't that be close to what /proc/meminfo shows for used memory? I get a pretty big difference between "ps axo rss --no-headers | xargs | sed 's/ /+/g' | bc" and free or top. |
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| 14:27.27 | blubberdiblub | giupy: you're running a testing or stable distro? i would abstain from using sid in sources, if you're not experienced enough. you could download the package manually instead |
| 14:27.32 | ma3x | abrotman, thanks - I don't know in what language is written the program but basically there are some database files and .exe do I run it with wine? |
| 14:27.36 | giupy | blubberdiblub i have installed it |
| 14:27.41 | giupy | blubberdiblub sid |
| 14:27.42 | abrotman | ma3x: no |
| 14:28.08 | wols_ | giupy: nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source |
| 14:28.08 | ma3x | eh, how ? i havent heard any other way to run exe but wine |
| 14:28.20 | lvalue | why is phppgadmin not working? it says i need to recompile php with --with-pgsql.. any ideas how to make phppgadmin work ? |
| 14:28.23 | giupy | wols_ yes installed |
| 14:28.27 | abrotman | ma3x: apt-cache search .. didn't help ? |
| 14:28.47 | wols_ | giupy: and m-a is run and it works? |
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| 14:29.03 | ma3x | abrotman, it gives many results |
| 14:29.08 | ma3x | is it mtools? |
| 14:29.11 | wols_ | giupy: you need to compile that source with m-a and install it (it installs as a deb) |
| 14:29.11 | abrotman | so read the damn descriptions .. stop being so lazy |
| 14:29.36 | curt_ | hey I am not lazy .. hehe |
| 14:29.51 | abrotman | curt_: not you |
| 14:29.52 | ma3x | if I have 2 computers connected via ethernet to eachother, and I have internet on the first one, can I run webserver on the 2nd computer? |
| 14:29.55 | ma3x | or does it need a router? |
| 14:29.56 | wols_ | ma3x: use dosbox |
| 14:29.59 | curt_ | abrotman, i knew that... |
| 14:30.02 | abrotman | wols_: damn you! |
| 14:30.03 | ma3x | wols_, thanks |
| 14:30.09 | abrotman | wols_: he needs to learn how to read |
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| 14:30.12 | giupy | wols_ m-a returns with an error |
| 14:30.35 | wols_ | abrotman: he is a lost case acceppt it and move one. once in a while flame him into the ground the way he so richly deserves |
| 14:30.42 | wols_ | giupy: fix that error or it won't work |
| 14:30.50 | giupy | eh :)) |
| 14:30.50 | blubberdiblub | giupy, wols_: yeah, just i don't understand why it would ... |
| 14:30.51 | ma3x | abrotman, maybe there are a couple of programs for running msdos program and i dont know whats good |
| 14:30.53 | ma3x | that's why i ask |
| 14:30.57 | abrotman | wols_: and you could have at least let him struggle with dosemu :) |
| 14:31.02 | abrotman | ma3x: try them all! |
| 14:31.12 | abrotman | they all work differently IIRC |
| 14:31.14 | wols_ | abrotman: I was considering qmeu+freedos actually... |
| 14:31.19 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:31.20 | wols_ | *qemu |
| 14:31.24 | ma3x | abrotman, i'll have the program in 2 weeks that's when im gonna try it. now i just ask to know... |
| 14:31.49 | abrotman | wols_: it'd be usable too |
| 14:31.50 | ma3x | what about my other question |
| 14:31.54 | wols_ | ma3x: dosbox should be your first choice but as we mentioned there are other choices too. up to vmware with DOS |
| 14:31.56 | ma3x | do i need router for that or no? |
| 14:32.09 | wols_ | ma3x: what is that 1st pc with dbeian? |
| 14:32.18 | wols_ | erm, what is that first PC running for an OS? |
| 14:32.23 | ma3x | wols_, yeah |
| 14:32.27 | abrotman | and the second? |
| 14:32.41 | wols_ | then it's easy if you have 2 NICs: apt-get install ipmasq, apt-get install dnsmasq |
| 14:32.54 | blubberdiblub | giupy: but there's at least a directory called something-71xx in /usr/src/modules/ right now? |
| 14:33.01 | wols_ | abrotman: DOS. why are you asking? |
| 14:33.03 | ma3x | wols_, and then the 2nd computer doesnt need port forwarding? |
| 14:33.04 | giupy | blubberdiblub yes |
| 14:33.15 | wols_ | ma3x: it will need it to run a webserver |
| 14:33.30 | ma3x | need port forwarding? |
| 14:33.30 | giupy | i have tar xvfz it afer installation |
| 14:33.34 | wols_ | ma3x: and preferably a static internal IP |
| 14:33.44 | abrotman | wols_: i think he wants a webserver on his internal - not directly connected to the intarweb- computer |
| 14:33.50 | wols_ | giupy: not needed |
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| 14:33.55 | blubberdiblub | giupy: well, no problem, tho m-a would untar it on its own |
| 14:34.13 | giupy | i have tried make module && make install but when i try to modprobe nvidia it says me: NVRM: No NVIDIA graphics adapter found! |
| 14:34.20 | wols_ | abrotman: yes, but ipmasq is still easiest with a /etc/ipmasq/rules/Z99portforward.rul which does the port forwarding |
| 14:34.21 | ma3x | abrotman, webserver accessible from the internet |
| 14:34.42 | abrotman | ah .. i suppose |
| 14:34.49 | abrotman | wols_: but we could get him to learn iptables! |
| 14:34.54 | giupy | perhaps i have installed nvidia driver instead of legacy ? |
| 14:35.16 | wols_ | abrotman: that file doesn't ocme with ipmasq. you have to create it. with the full iptables line inside there |
| 14:35.23 | wols_ | giupy: sounds like it |
| 14:35.34 | abrotman | wols_: oh ok |
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| 14:35.35 | blubberdiblub | giupy: that may be. more than 1 driver with the name of nvidia.ko asks for trouble |
| 14:35.36 | wols_ | giupy: and that make mak-install busines is wrong |
| 14:35.41 | petemc | wols_: and how is that easiest? |
| 14:35.51 | wols_ | petemc: tell me a easier way |
| 14:36.05 | wols_ | petemc: if you ahve a ubuntu wizard for it, I be all ears |
| 14:36.07 | petemc | wols_: modprobe the iptables modules, write the rules |
| 14:36.15 | ma3x | and I'm also wondering if IP camera would work with debian and camstream |
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| 14:36.16 | blubberdiblub | giupy, wols_: yeah, the debian way is using m-a. or at least make-kpkg modules-image (the older way) |
| 14:36.18 | wols_ | why modprobe? |
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| 14:36.29 | abrotman | ma3x: try it |
| 14:36.32 | petemc | what sort of question is that? |
| 14:36.34 | wols_ | and instead of writing 2 lines for iptables you write 20 to get masq properly the way ipmasq does it? |
| 14:36.41 | giupy | wols_ i know modprobe way :) |
| 14:36.47 | ma3x | abrotman, but I have to know if it will work, I can't just buy the camera and then return it |
| 14:36.52 | giupy | i have never used module-assistant |
| 14:36.53 | abrotman | why not? |
| 14:37.01 | abrotman | people return hardware all the time |
| 14:37.08 | wols_ | petemc: I run apt-get install ipmasq and have a basic NAT setup. I do two more iptables lines and have proper portforwaridng for a port |
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| 14:37.21 | blubberdiblub | giupy: time to try it ... it's really neat. and most modules do actually work compiling with that ;) |
| 14:37.26 | ma3x | abrotman, no way; you can't just open use something and then return it and get your money back |
| 14:37.26 | unmyth | Is there a way how i can convert the encoding of a set of files in a folder rekursivly ? with iconv i can only convert the encodings for single files |
| 14:37.34 | wols_ | petemc: please tell me an easier way if you know one |
| 14:37.43 | petemc | wols_: what i said before |
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| 14:37.58 | wols_ | petemc: write all iptables lines by hand? and that is easier? for nat? |
| 14:38.15 | ma3x | can i connect the IP camera directly to a pc with debian installed on it, or do I need a router ? |
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| 14:38.45 | wols_ | ma3x: you probably can connect it if you have a switch. the camera probably needs a DHCP server int he LAN like dnsmasq is |
| 14:38.52 | petemc | wols_: my argument was that if you're writing the rule to do the forwarding, might as well just write them all - you only need like 3 |
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| 14:39.54 | ma3x | wols_, so I install dnsmasq on pc1 and connect the camera through a switch, and pc1 will assign IP to the camera? |
| 14:40.00 | wols_ | petemc: I can just as well compile my own kernel and do a LFS setup. but I use debian so I will use debian packages whenever possible |
| 14:40.51 | wols_ | with all the niecties of debconf that powers up ipmasq automaticaally when I ned it for pretty much every conecivable setup. that denies connections not in my IP range and that is fixed by security.debian.org if it has flaws |
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| 14:41.04 | grendal_prime | hey, #!/bin/sh will not run all of the things as #!/bin/bash (im guessing this because i have a script that will not fully work unless i run it with /bin/bash) |
| 14:41.21 | wols_ | ma3x: that "2nd PC" is actually a camera? |
| 14:41.26 | staniel | is anyone having problems with nvidia drivers with kernel 2.6.21?? |
| 14:41.52 | ma3x | wols_, yeah I had 2 questions actually, so I'm talking about camera sa 2nd pc now |
| 14:41.58 | wols_ | staniel: afail it's a GPL symbol violation. also there are problem with testing and sid with nvidia as well |
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| 14:42.19 | stew | grendal_prime: was that a question? |
| 14:42.33 | staniel | wols_: ok, that I got from that paravirt_ops symbol, anyway to fix this yet though? |
| 14:42.49 | wols_ | staniel: upstream kernel/nvidia bug afaik |
| 14:43.11 | wols_ | the proper way is for nvidia to bring out new kernel drivers. are you on sid? |
| 14:43.36 | wols_ | ma3x: you need to explain your intended setup more closely. especially all network cards |
| 14:43.51 | grendal_prime | sort of...im just wondering why... |
| 14:43.56 | wols_ | ma3x: frist PC on the ineternet: has it 2 network cards? |
| 14:44.14 | grendal_prime | and if that is the correct assumption on my part |
| 14:44.14 | ma3x | wols_, ok : 1st pc + switch + camera |
| 14:44.16 | ma3x | no 2nd pc |
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| 14:44.23 | stew | grendal_prime: /bin/sh should be posix compliant. /bin/bash allows a bunch of bash specific extensions |
| 14:44.39 | blubberdiblub | grendal_prime: because it fixed compatibility issues for scripts that use /bin/sh and are unaware of bashisms |
| 14:44.43 | wols_ | ok. it will work. you will need to enable the dhcp server for dnsmasq or use another dhcp-server |
| 14:44.58 | wols_ | cause the camera most probably will expect a dhcp-lease |
| 14:45.06 | wols_ | ipmasq is pretty painly, just apt-get it |
| 14:45.20 | wols_ | *painless |
| 14:46.14 | ma3x | wols_, so the first PC will assign the camera IP through the switch. is the switch a must? |
| 14:46.46 | wols_ | no. if you have 2 network cards and a crossover cable for the IP camera no switch needed |
| 14:46.53 | giupy | blubberdiblub do you use a precompiled kernel with nvidia ? |
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| 14:47.04 | blubberdiblub | giupy: nope, i roll my own as well |
| 14:47.22 | giupy | blubberdiblub k |
| 14:47.24 | blubberdiblub | giupy: (with make-kpkg, that is) |
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| 14:47.33 | giupy | blubberdiblub yeah, i too |
| 14:47.35 | wols_ | giupy: do you have the headers for your own custom kernel? |
| 14:47.36 | ma3x | wols_, why 2 network cards? you mean 1 on the pc and 1 on the ip camera? |
| 14:47.41 | wols_ | giupy: have you made the header package? |
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| 14:47.53 | nofxx | humm ... my problem was dansguardian was litening to the web..haahauh I ve got like...50 pages request every second from all kinds of IP |
| 14:47.53 | wols_ | ma3x: I mean 2 on the PC |
| 14:47.59 | nofxx | what does this guys do with that ? |
| 14:48.02 | wols_ | ma3x: one for the internet, one of the LAN side |
| 14:48.03 | nofxx | why do that ? hehehe |
| 14:48.08 | giupy | wols_ why? i have the source dir |
| 14:48.12 | Chris_abyi | hi! is there probably anyone who could tell me a program to check proxies? |
| 14:48.20 | wols_ | giupy: cause it needs it |
| 14:48.23 | Chris_abyi | so to varify that they're working? |
| 14:48.27 | blubberdiblub | wols_: there's actually no need to make the header package as long as you don't clean the source tree |
| 14:48.32 | Chris_abyi | (for debian sarge 3.1) |
| 14:48.33 | ma3x | wols_, maybe I'll use usb connection for the internet :) |
| 14:48.48 | wols_ | blubberdiblub: even with m-a? you sure about that? |
| 14:48.51 | giupy | wols_ it? what? nvidia? |
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| 14:49.07 | wols_ | giupy: m-a when it builds kernel modules. no matter which |
| 14:49.15 | giupy | k |
| 14:49.17 | blubberdiblub | wols_: absolutely. i never make header packages, and my m-a works like a breeze |
| 14:49.26 | wols_ | ma3x: ugly. usb is ugly. but it will work |
| 14:49.44 | wols_ | blubberdiblub: and where are your headers located on disk? |
| 14:49.48 | ma3x | wols_, I know it keeps resetting... |
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| 14:50.27 | blubberdiblub | wols_: right inside the source tree. /usr/src/linux/include, or something like that |
| 14:50.38 | afed | is there a way to save a list of packages installed so that i might reinstall all of those packages later? |
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| 14:51.20 | ma3x | wols_, and then i forward the 80 port for the camera throuh /etc/ipmasq/rules/Z99portforward.rul ? |
| 14:51.38 | wols_ | ma3x: yes |
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| 14:51.49 | giupy | if i try to make install the source the compiling says me echo " ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid."; |
| 14:52.17 | giupy | and ends with no such devices when it try to load the module |
| 14:52.25 | giupy | i think i need agp |
| 14:52.34 | giupy | i don't have it |
| 14:53.09 | ma3x | wols_, this camstream thing looks quite promissing. I'll try it out |
| 14:53.13 | wols_ | if kernel configuration is invalid it won't even compile |
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| 14:53.19 | wols_ | error = no compile |
| 14:53.34 | wols_ | giupy: is the kernel-source still on disk? |
| 14:53.40 | giupy | wols_ yes |
| 14:53.50 | giupy | 2.6.18 |
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| 14:54.25 | wols_ | imho: make-kpkg the kernel headers, use m-a |
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| 14:55.50 | Paul_UK | hey wols_ you got time for a PM? |
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| 14:57.12 | giupy | i'm back, now i'm on X with vesa driver |
| 14:57.59 | abrotman | ma3x: yes you can |
| 14:58.03 | blubberdiblub | giupy: did the other things work out? now you could install nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx? you have to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, of course |
| 14:58.25 | giupy | blubberdiblub: the other thinngs don't go |
| 14:58.31 | giupy | i'm using vesa driver |
| 14:59.03 | giupy | The following packages are BROKEN: |
| 14:59.03 | giupy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:59.11 | giupy | aptitude say me that |
| 14:59.42 | blubberdiblub | giupy: sure, as you don't have compiled+installed the 71xx-source yet, which would provide the needed dependency |
| 15:00.02 | Noborusan | bye guys |
| 15:00.05 | giupy | blubberdiblub: i don't understand, they are only deb packages |
| 15:00.19 | giupy | there 's can be a depency about a module? |
| 15:00.26 | staniel | wols_sorry for the delay, yes I am on sid |
| 15:00.33 | blubberdiblub | giupy: when you compile the addon module. it creates a new .deb |
| 15:01.05 | blubberdiblub | giupy: and that new .deb has the needed "provides: foobar" stuff |
| 15:01.07 | th0ger | Where do I configure how power/reset buttons. Like reset-> runlevel 6 |
| 15:02.02 | ma3x | abrotman, ok thanks |
| 15:02.10 | abrotman | ma3x: wrong answer to your queswtion |
| 15:02.18 | ma3x | not a problem |
| 15:02.20 | ma3x | wols thanks too |
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| 15:03.43 | blubberdiblub | giupy: but as long as you don't get it to compile, you might want to use the xserver-xorg-video-nv package, to have at least some support for your card (excluding 3d acceleration) |
| 15:04.12 | giupy | fi need 3d, i want to use google earth |
| 15:05.01 | blubberdiblub | giupy: 3d should work, in most cases, tho unaccelerated |
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| 15:05.26 | giupy | well but if i can use 3d accelarated why not ? :) |
| 15:06.16 | blubberdiblub | giupy: sure :) but you have to exactly find the problem that stops you from compiling the module (and creating the .deb) first |
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| 15:06.34 | giupy | yes i know |
| 15:07.09 | DawnLight | what can i use to edit an ISO image? preferably for KDE but anything will do |
| 15:07.31 | stew | DawnLight: iso9660 is a readonly filesystem, you can't edit it, you can only create a new one |
| 15:08.13 | DawnLight | stew: i remember using winRAR to edit ISOs, i think |
| 15:08.44 | giupy | module-assistant gives me that error when i try "LIST" |
| 15:08.46 | giupy | http://pastebin.ca/579156 |
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| 15:10.38 | DawnLight | what if i do "mount -o loop"? will the changes be saved in the mounted iso file? |
| 15:10.44 | blubberdiblub | giupy: if you have any of nvidia-kernel-legacy-source or nvidia-kernel-legacy-source-something.tgz or so, in /usr/src/modules/, remove them, first. and do an explicit "m-a install nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source" |
| 15:10.53 | homa_rano | I have a problem trying to run apache2 through inetd. Whenever anything goes to port 80, apache2 doesn't start because some process is already using port 80 (inetd, like it's supposed to). How do i get apache to be less stupid? |
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| 15:11.25 | giupy | blubberdiblub: ok |
| 15:11.27 | giupy | i try |
| 15:11.36 | blubberdiblub | giupy: i.e. make sure that only the 71xx things are in /usr/src/modules and /usr/src, no other nvidia stuff |
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| 15:12.44 | giupy | blubberdiblub: wich is the difference between 71xx and 96xx ? |
| 15:13.05 | blubberdiblub | giupy: 96xx is for newer (but not the newest) cards. yours won't work with that |
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| 15:13.30 | abrotman | homa_rano: try not running apache through inetd |
| 15:14.00 | homa_rano | abrotman: that wouldn't free up memory now would it |
| 15:14.59 | abrotman | homa_rano: you might want to ask #apache how to do it |
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| 15:15.27 | homecable | 05:11:03.359404 PPPoE [ses 0x1cda] IP truncated-ip - 1280 bytes missing! eo-in-f99.google.com.www > adsl-074-170-190-055.sip.bna.bellsouth.net.2413: P 1:1390(1389) ack 488 win 6432 |
| 15:15.31 | homecable | ? |
| 15:15.37 | homecable | IP truncated-ip - 1280 bytes missing |
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| 15:17.10 | DawnLight | i did "mkdir freedos", "mount -o loop fdbasews.iso freedos", "cd freedos" and "mkdir kn920" and it tells me "mkdir: cannot create directory `kn920': Read-only file system" |
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| 15:18.19 | stew | DawnLight: yes, iso9660 is a readonly filesystem, you can't edit it, you can only create a new one |
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| 15:19.05 | \amethyst | DawnLight: what you can do is cp -a it to a normal filesystem, change it, then use genisoimage/mkisofs to create a new ISO |
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| 15:19.52 | DawnLight | \amethyst: won't that make an unbootable iso? |
| 15:19.56 | blubberdiblub | homecable: looks like an MTU or related problem (ip fragmentation?). MTU for pppoe should be something around 1492, i guess |
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| 15:22.08 | optiplex | hallo |
| 15:22.14 | optiplex | !squid |
| 15:22.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, squid is the Squid Internet object Cache a fast web proxy server. Its home page is at http://squid.nlanr.net/, or easy to do transproxy with, see http://www.unxsoft.com/transproxy.html, or faster than netscape's own cache, use it!, but uses much more memory, or http://thor.prohosting.com/~nchansy/meal/squid.jpg, or tasty in battered ring form |
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| 15:23.53 | mptech | I'm having troubles with networking on my debian etch install |
| 15:24.00 | mptech | dmesg shows eth0 as being detected |
| 15:24.05 | homecable | 05:11:03.359404 PPPoE [ses 0x1cda] IP truncated-ip - 1280 bytes missing! eo-in-f99.google.com.www > adsl-074-170-190-055.sip.bna.bellsouth.net.2413: P 1:1390(1389) ack 488 win 6432 can any one help ? |
| 15:24.07 | mptech | lsmod shows the appropriate modules being loaded |
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| 15:24.19 | mptech | but ifup eth0 says that there's no such interface |
| 15:24.32 | sandman | Sorry for the rejoining, guys. Something funny was happening with my network |
| 15:24.32 | stew | mptech: does "ifconfig -a" list eth0? |
| 15:24.49 | sandman | And my xchat likes to connect automagically and join channels, etc... |
| 15:25.01 | giupy | blubberdiblub: however, i have recompiled wothout agp support, can it be a problem ? |
| 15:25.03 | staniel | urgh! nvida why are you such a pain in the ass |
| 15:25.24 | sandman | staniel, Not sure, bud. Isn't ATI open-sourcing their code, though? |
| 15:25.45 | wols_ | Paul_UK: read the channel rules. you're not supposed to simply msg people |
| 15:25.47 | blubberdiblub | giupy: maybe, tho i doubt it. anyways, compiling the agpgart stuff in as modules shouldn't hurt |
| 15:25.52 | mptech | stew, oddly enough, even though dmesg says nothing about eth1, there's eth1 and lo |
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| 15:26.02 | mptech | stew, ifup eth1 gives me the same problem |
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| 15:26.21 | stew | mptech: udev renames interfaces so that they can be statically named: '/msg dpkg z25' |
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| 15:26.42 | blubberdiblub | giupy: the agpgart itself should definitely be a module (not directly into the kernel), when using the nvidia stuff |
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| 15:28.14 | giupy | DRM ? |
| 15:28.31 | mptech | stew, still, ifup eth1 still gives me the same problem though |
| 15:28.43 | stew | mptech: is eth1 defined in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:29.09 | mptech | no |
| 15:29.13 | blubberdiblub | giupy: unneccessary i think ... the README.TXT even says that you are not supposed to load the x-server's dri module |
| 15:29.33 | stew | mptech: then 'ifup eth1' wouldn't know what to do |
| 15:29.33 | blubberdiblub | giupy: but compiling that as module shouldn't hurt, either |
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| 15:29.54 | mptech | stew, can I make debian automatically add an entry? |
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| 15:30.05 | th0ger | Where do I configure how the power/reset buttons works? Something like reset-> runlevel 6 |
| 15:30.56 | stew | mptech: you can use etherconf to configure it once, or network-manager to manage it dynamically |
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| 15:31.06 | stew | th0ger: /etc/acpi |
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| 15:32.17 | utopia_ | hey |
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| 15:32.45 | blackbart | I'm having trouble mounting my usb drive. I've pasted part of my dmesg and the error I get from the mount command here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/43105 if someone would like to help :) |
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| 15:34.07 | th0ger | stew: thanks |
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| 15:34.28 | stew | blackbart: is the drive partitioned? |
| 15:34.37 | cahoot | blackbart, try sdb1 |
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| 15:34.49 | stew | blackbart: (does 'fdisk -l /dev/sdb' show any partitions?) |
| 15:35.13 | blackbart | cahoot, that worked, thanks :) |
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| 15:36.29 | hjb | Anyone knows how dante-client handles route specifications? |
| 15:36.39 | hjb | http://paste.debian.net/30982 |
| 15:36.45 | audifahrer | Hello |
| 15:36.47 | hjb | I have a subnet |
| 15:36.55 | hjb | 195.72.96.0/24 |
| 15:37.01 | blackbart | How do I know if this thing is using USB 2? |
| 15:37.07 | audifahrer | Is someone here who uses the SLiM login manager? |
| 15:37.13 | hjb | And a single host within that subnet: 195.72.96.97 |
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| 15:37.28 | cahoot | blackbart, doesn't dmesg tell? |
| 15:37.37 | hjb | The 195.72.96.97 host should be reached via a socks proxy, but the rest of the subnet should not |
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| 15:39.51 | optiplex | hallo |
| 15:39.53 | blackbart | cahoot, I don't specificly see a usb version mentioned, unless maybe it's one of these lines: Vendor: SanDisk Model: U3 Titanium Rev: 2.18 \ Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02 |
| 15:39.59 | eitan | Hello all. I'm having trouble with printing. I can't print in 1200dpi in Debian using the HPLIP driver with my HP LJ 2200d. Any ideas/ |
| 15:40.00 | eitan | ? |
| 15:40.14 | optiplex | i can modify the startup of debian for insert the string to start squid? |
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| 15:42.10 | cahoot | blackbart, my camera reports this in dmesg: usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6 |
| 15:42.25 | cahoot | blackbart, ehci implies usb2 |
| 15:42.40 | kombi_ | what is "allow-hotplug" in network interfaces? just seen it for the first time.. |
| 15:42.43 | blackbart | cahoot, ah, ok. I get: usb 5-8: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 9 |
| 15:43.07 | blackbart | cahoot, I'm glad, lack of USB2 was one of the things that bothered me about my old FreeBSD installation :) |
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| 15:44.15 | hjb | Anyone was able to read my previous messages? I forget to log into nickserv :-/ |
| 15:44.28 | Reveal | I need help, I think i have a hacker on the server ... how do I shutdown allot of processes of one user at once ? |
| 15:44.35 | Reveal | in this case www-data .. |
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| 15:45.13 | simmerz | is there a default "aliases" if I don't have postfix installed? I just have ssmtp as a very basic server |
| 15:45.34 | simmerz | Reveal: www-data is your web server user |
| 15:45.47 | blubberdiblub | hjb: well, yes, but it seems there's no one active at the moment who has experience with dante-client |
| 15:45.55 | Reveal | I know simmerz ... but apache isnt running |
| 15:46.47 | hjb | blubberdiblub well, thanks :) |
| 15:47.12 | simmerz | you could use cut to take the second field of `ps -ef | grep www-data`. |
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| 15:48.11 | Stephaknee | BaNaNa is a spambot, for the record. |
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| 15:48.22 | StucKman | would etch survive without udev? I intend do deinstall it... |
| 15:48.53 | Reveal | and do that thru a loop ? |
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| 15:49.54 | Ronin | Stephaknee: alert the ops then !ops |
| 15:49.58 | Reveal | ok that was weird ... I got thrown out of ssh .. relogging .. and its gone :S |
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| 15:50.04 | simmerz | Reveal: yeah |
| 15:50.13 | simmerz | what's gone? |
| 15:50.32 | Stephaknee | Ronin: Well i'm not a regular here, wouldnt know of that. :p |
| 15:50.39 | Reveal | i did kill -9 `ps -ef | grep www-data` .. got thrown out of my ssh connection .. relogged and the processes are gone |
| 15:51.05 | Ronin | !ops BaNaNa is an onjoin spammer |
| 15:51.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ronin complains about: BaNaNa is an onjoin spammer |
| 15:51.05 | optiplex | i can modify the startup of debian for insert the string to start squid? |
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| 15:51.17 | simmerz | Reveal: do you run a firewall? |
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| 15:51.35 | Reveal | yes |
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| 15:51.41 | simmerz | ok |
| 15:51.43 | koaftder | VOTE FOR RON PAUL 2008 |
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| 15:51.53 | simmerz | try portscanning your machine to see what is available |
| 15:52.01 | simmerz | worth making sure it's running as it should |
| 15:52.16 | branstrom | What's the difference between a user and a system user? |
| 15:52.22 | Ronin | who the hell is ron paul? not taht i care mind you |
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| 15:52.31 | branstrom | adduser --system user or just adduser user? |
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| 15:53.03 | Stephaknee | Ronin: you know, now that i think about it, that's actually a virus. I'm surprised someone on freenode is silly enough to get it. |
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| 15:53.24 | Ronin | Stephaknee: just because theyre on freenode doesnt mean they well you know |
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| 15:53.56 | Stephaknee | Ronin: true, an freenodes not all that great or anything, but it's decent, and it's not the typical place kids go. :) |
| 15:54.01 | blubberdiblub | branstrom: for normal users that are people (instead of services and stuff), you'd use a normal user |
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| 15:54.14 | Stephaknee | i havent seen one of those things in a long time |
| 15:54.25 | tuxub | hi, can someone point me some information on how to change the default logging rotation on the debian mail logs? |
| 15:54.34 | Stephaknee | so hey, what's an identd package that'll give a generic response instead of looking up a username? |
| 15:55.00 | Ronin | Stephaknee: you obviously missed that dcc nonsense a while back :) |
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| 15:55.13 | Stephaknee | Ronin: No, i didnt. |
| 15:55.18 | branstrom | blubberdiblub, I'm going to use this account as a shared account for all svn users and want to limit their access to just svn+ssh:// access, which the svnbook explains how to do (adding stuff in command="" in authorized_keys), but don't know whether to use a system account or a normal one |
| 15:55.25 | Reveal | simmerz: I had httpd running with www-data as user, but httpd is not a existing daemon ... apache2 is .. |
| 15:55.34 | Stephaknee | Ronin: But those were kids specifically going out of their way to be dicks. those people are EVERYWHERE. |
| 15:55.35 | \amethyst | tuxub: man logrotate, and look in /etc/logrotate.d/exim4-base (assuming exim4) |
| 15:55.43 | Reveal | simmerz: so there is something wrong here ... |
| 15:55.57 | tuxub | \amethyst, txs! |
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| 15:56.16 | Stephaknee | Ronin: As opposed to banana, who's simply a newbie that went to a site that someone spammed him to when he joined a channel. |
| 15:56.25 | branstrom | By the way, is there a way to limit access for a user no matter what keypair is used to connect to that user? |
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| 15:56.29 | Stephaknee | Ronin: heh, i actually got ophack one time, when i was newer. |
| 15:56.29 | blubberdiblub | branstrom: well, it's normally a matter of how high a uid they'll get (default for normal users: 1000+), and if home directories are created or not |
| 15:56.43 | simmerz | Reveal: apache2 is an httpd |
| 15:56.46 | kombi_ | in your etc/network/interfaces, do you also see a new line "allow-hotplug"? what the hell is that for? |
| 15:56.59 | simmerz | but you're right |
| 15:57.04 | \amethyst | Stephaknee: re your identd question, maybe nullidentd |
| 15:57.06 | branstrom | Hm. I guess I can use the home dir to store svn repos, so that's fine |
| 15:57.06 | Reveal | simmerz: I know ... but the daemon name is not httpd |
| 15:57.13 | simmerz | my ps -ef shows /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 15:57.22 | tuxub | \amethyst, i use postfix. there is no /etc/logrotate.d/postfix :( |
| 15:57.25 | Stephaknee | thats the one that spams people when they join saying "want to be an op? type //decode <encrypted mirc virus script junk>" |
| 15:57.27 | roxy_ | I got a file, with x and y coordinates of points on each line. I want a graph with point mark 1, 2 ... What would be the easiest way ? |
| 15:57.32 | Stephaknee | \amethyst: cool. |
| 15:57.42 | simmerz | Reveal: critical machine? |
| 15:57.43 | \amethyst | Stephaknee: and oidentd lets you customize the response |
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| 15:57.52 | Reveal | simmerz: webserver ... |
| 15:58.01 | simmerz | Reveal: production with other clients on it? |
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| 15:58.15 | Reveal | simmerz: production ... but dedicated .. |
| 15:58.23 | \amethyst | tuxub: I don't know about postfix, sorry :( |
| 15:58.27 | blubberdiblub | branstrom: otherwise you could always force adduser to create home dirs and a higher uid even for --system, and vice versa. --system is just an easy way to switch the defaults |
| 15:58.31 | simmerz | Reveal, not running Xen by any chance? if you are, that makes life a lot easier |
| 15:58.48 | Reveal | simmerz: nope :( |
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| 15:59.08 | branstrom | blubberdiblub, okay thanks |
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| 15:59.21 | simmerz | Reveal: doh. Otherwise I'd suggest creating a new DomU and migrating the site data, then blowing away the old DomU |
| 15:59.41 | branstrom | blubberdiblub, so there's no real distinction being made by the system? |
| 15:59.59 | simmerz | Reveal: the only safe thing to do after a hack is to blow away and start again though. mind if I ask who your hosting provider is? |
| 16:00.03 | blubberdiblub | branstrom: exactly |
| 16:00.04 | Reveal | simmerz: yeah I'll migrate it over the weekend.... |
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| 16:02.52 | blubberdiblub | branstrom: and you could always edit everything related to a user after you have created it, tho changing his uid as well as all uid's of the files belonging to him/her is more elaborate ;) |
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| 16:03.26 | daren | Hi |
| 16:03.38 | mnofxx | does anyone got a good page about firewalls...? firehol, good idea? |
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| 16:04.03 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 16:04.03 | dpkg | [iptables] the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 16:04.06 | daren | I'm connected to a server in the internet via ssh. When I try to ping google.de from this server is get a "unknow host google.de" so it looks like a dns problem, or ? |
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| 16:04.19 | abrotman | dns problem likely |
| 16:04.42 | daren | I commented out the whole resolv.conf and added two other dns servers, but after a ping google.de I got no output |
| 16:04.44 | daren | What can I do ? |
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| 16:04.58 | abrotman | do they actually work ? |
| 16:05.11 | abrotman | nslookup www.yahoo.com <newdnsip> |
| 16:05.28 | mnofxx | tnx abrotman |
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| 16:06.34 | daren | abrotman: host6:~# nslookup google.de 62.212.64.121 |
| 16:06.34 | daren | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
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| 16:06.49 | Stephaknee | wheres the config file for oidentd, by the way? |
| 16:08.00 | blubberdiblub | Stephaknee: i'm not using oidentd, but you could try if "dpkg -L oidentd" provides any hints |
| 16:08.14 | \amethyst | Stephaknee: /etc/oidentd.conf (and /etc/oidentd_masq.conf for masquerading) |
| 16:08.22 | \amethyst | Stephaknee: both have man pages |
| 16:08.35 | abrotman | daren: try another .. try the one your ISP gave you |
| 16:08.37 | branstrom | blubberdiblub, what does the uid matter? |
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| 16:08.57 | Stephaknee | \amethyst: does it say so on the main oidentd man page? |
| 16:09.04 | daren | abrotman: Doesnt work. I have a "search mainswitch.com" in my resolv.conf, is that right ? |
| 16:09.15 | abrotman | that shouldn't matter |
| 16:09.19 | blubberdiblub | branstrom: usually it doesn't. tho some programs might be configured to act differently when the uid is within a certain range |
| 16:09.24 | Stephaknee | yeah, i guess so. |
| 16:09.25 | \amethyst | Stephaknee: it references the config file manpages in SEE ALSO |
| 16:09.34 | branstrom | ah |
| 16:09.40 | Stephaknee | \amethyst: i wasnt expecting the man page to be that useful. |
| 16:09.45 | \amethyst | :) |
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| 16:09.46 | simmerz | what is the most lightweight mail server that supports aliases? |
| 16:09.58 | daren | host6:/tmp# nslookup google.de 195.241.77.53 |
| 16:10.00 | daren | works |
| 16:10.06 | Stephaknee | and i use manpages fairly often, guess i never paid enough attention. |
| 16:10.08 | daren | So should i paste the ip into my resolv.conf ? |
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| 16:10.25 | techbee1 | daren:yes:) |
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| 16:12.42 | Stephaknee | goddamn thats a long conf file. |
| 16:13.08 | abrotman | daren: if it works for you .. but your ISP should have given you one |
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| 16:14.03 | branstrom | What's the shortest letter equivalent of chmod 700 ? |
| 16:14.33 | branstrom | I'm just curious |
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| 16:14.44 | Stephaknee | \amethyst: masquerading isnt what i'd want, is it? I'm behind a linksys router, so traditional identd wouldnt work properly. need a default response. and to be honest, im not seeing it in the manpage for oidentd.conf |
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| 16:15.01 | sobersabre | hi guys. I have a wierd issue, I cannot debug it. the machine is ALWAYS loaded. |
| 16:15.16 | sobersabre | it does nothing special, but is has load avg over 1.0 |
| 16:15.19 | \amethyst | Stephaknee: default { default { force reply "fred" } } |
| 16:15.21 | sobersabre | and it is irresponsive |
| 16:15.27 | sobersabre | and services fail |
| 16:15.35 | blubberdiblub | branstrom: chmod u=rwe,go= ? tho i'm not sure |
| 16:15.49 | blubberdiblub | rwe -> rwx |
| 16:15.50 | Stephaknee | \amethyst: cool. and what about if i want to do that, only if it cant actually look up the username? |
| 16:15.54 | sobersabre | and I don't see anything wierd |
| 16:16.13 | sobersabre | I suspect it is a hardware issue, but I don't have any directions |
| 16:16.22 | sobersabre | os - debian 4.0 stable |
| 16:16.25 | branstrom | blubberdiblub, or... a=,u=rwx |
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| 16:16.34 | sobersabre | hardware: ibm intellistation |
| 16:16.37 | blubberdiblub | branstrom: looks better, yes :) |
| 16:16.45 | sobersabre | 1 GB of RAM, 80 GB disk |
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| 16:16.53 | branstrom | :) |
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| 16:17.02 | sobersabre | CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz |
| 16:17.03 | simmerz | what is the most lightweight mail server that supports aliases? |
| 16:17.42 | simmerz | or am I looking at postfix/exim ? |
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| 16:17.50 | sobersabre | can something happen because the kernel is SMP and there is only 1 CPU ? |
| 16:18.03 | \amethyst | Stephaknee: I think the -r command-line option might be what you're looking for (in man oidentd) |
| 16:18.28 | pickcoder | simmerz: apt-cache show exim and apt-cache show postfix |
| 16:18.34 | pickcoder | they are both lightweight |
| 16:18.46 | blubberdiblub | sobersabre: usually not. the smp core is supposed to detect whether it actually is on an SMP system |
| 16:19.05 | sobersabre | blubberdiblub: can something like this happen if I pass noapm option to the kernel ? |
| 16:19.05 | pickcoder | look at installed-size to see how much disk space is used |
| 16:19.15 | \amethyst | Stephaknee: you can add -r fred to the OIDENTD_OPTIONS in /etc/default/oidentd, then invoke-rc.d oidentd restart |
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| 16:19.49 | simmerz | pickcoder: actually, more interested in memory usage |
| 16:20.06 | \amethyst | Stephaknee: everything in the conf file seems to pertain to successful lookups only |
| 16:20.10 | simmerz | disc space is not an issue, but it's a low memory machine |
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| 16:20.22 | blubberdiblub | sobersabre: maybe ... if smp does not use the halt instruction in that case ... but you'd have to read up on that |
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| 16:21.23 | pickcoder | simmerz: I don't know about exim, but you can control the number of smtp services that are spawned for mail transport |
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| 16:22.58 | Stephaknee | \amethyst: -r is exactly what i want. but, what would i have to do to make the -r command line option be triggered when the system starts oidentd when i boot up? |
| 16:23.21 | simmerz | pickcoder: ok |
| 16:23.34 | pickcoder | simmerz: the memory usage is mostly from scanners |
| 16:23.35 | blubberdiblub | sobersabre: you might want to try to disable the io-apic, or something like that |
| 16:23.44 | \amethyst | Stephaknee: edit OIDENTD_OPTIONS in /etc/default/oidentd, then invoke-rc.d oidentd restart |
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| 16:24.24 | utopia_ | v |
| 16:24.31 | sobersabre | blubberdiblub: how do I do this ? |
| 16:24.34 | \amethyst | Stephaknee: that is a shell script that sets environment variables for the startup script |
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| 16:24.41 | sobersabre | Is this a known issue with IBM's machines ? |
| 16:24.44 | simmerz | pickcoder: ok - this is just to get mail off the system, but its not able to go to a dedicated mailhub first |
| 16:25.26 | sobersabre | blubberdiblub: how can I disable io-apic ? |
| 16:25.28 | sobersabre | noapic ? |
| 16:25.36 | blubberdiblub | sobersabre: noapic kernel parameter, yes |
| 16:26.06 | Stephaknee | cool. |
| 16:26.22 | blubberdiblub | sobersabre: well, the io-apic seems to be a problematic part on some older boards. with disabling apm, it might be that you switch off the kernel's workarounds for that, or something |
| 16:26.23 | pickcoder | simmerz: based on pmap, the postfix "master" daemon is using 488K |
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| 16:26.47 | simmerz | pickcoder: thanks. that's great |
| 16:26.48 | pickcoder | 4.8MB is used together, including shared libs |
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| 16:27.00 | simmerz | cool. That's plenty small enough |
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| 16:28.12 | pickcoder | on the flipside, amavisd-new is using 40MB |
| 16:28.25 | sobersabre | blubberdiblub: I am now trying to reboot with no flags at all |
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| 16:28.43 | chuck | does anyone know if there's a debian package that will install mod_suphp for apache2? |
| 16:28.46 | pickcoder | clamd is using 70.5MB |
| 16:28.46 | sobersabre | ok.. I finally managed to reboot this damn machine. |
| 16:30.25 | \amethyst | chuck: libapache2-mod-suphp |
| 16:30.31 | chuck | sweet, thanks |
| 16:30.59 | \amethyst | chuck: in general, if you're looking for an apache 2 module, look for a package with a name built like that first |
| 16:31.04 | chuck | ok |
| 16:31.28 | mtn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:31.39 | Stephaknee | hey, was identd port 113? |
| 16:32.05 | Stephaknee | my oidentd doesnt seem to be working yet. |
| 16:32.06 | stew | Stephaknee: "getent services ident" |
| 16:32.20 | c2c2rock | Euronode Simple Firewall |
| 16:32.20 | c2c2rock | should I use it? |
| 16:32.35 | Stephaknee | stew: hey thats cool. |
| 16:33.21 | Stephaknee | oh, i see the problem. it's forwarded to the wrong machine. |
| 16:33.21 | Stephaknee | heh. |
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| 16:33.38 | simmerz | pickcoder: yeah - I know - they're hogs! |
| 16:34.03 | chuck | weird, when i installed libapache2-mod-suphp, i get weird 500 errors when i try to access a php file :/ |
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| 16:34.35 | flami | c2c2rock, that seems pretty old . maybe try http://ipcop.org/ |
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| 16:35.32 | c2c2rock | cat /dev/input/flami :D |
| 16:35.48 | c2c2rock | ty |
| 16:36.06 | gotgenes | I transferred my lists to a new server but the aliases did not transfer. Is there a way I can resync these? (Using Exim4, followed the setup recommended in README.Exim4.Debian) |
| 16:36.23 | gpm | you mean like newaliases? |
| 16:36.26 | gotgenes | Mailman lists |
| 16:36.41 | flami | c2c2rock, or : http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=firewalls , but i think ipcop is what your looking for |
| 16:38.00 | gpm | i can't remember if that does the trick on debian |
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| 16:38.47 | gotgenes | gpm: newaliases by itself didn't |
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| 16:39.23 | gotgenes | gpm: but Mailman aliases aren't put in /etc/aliases |
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| 16:39.48 | gpm | gotgenes: yeah, see i've only mailman'd on freebsd with sendmail |
| 16:40.01 | gpm | it's probably way easier on debian |
| 16:40.39 | gpm | editing aliases and running newaliases every time is a pain |
| 16:40.44 | gotgenes | gpm: and the guy on #mailman has only worked with Postfix :-( |
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| 16:41.16 | gpm | gotgenes: well where are the aliases stored on debian for mailman? |
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| 16:41.28 | gotgenes | gpm: if I run newlist and create a new list that didn't exist, it somehow sets the aliases |
| 16:41.47 | wihen | how can i delete a file from a multisession cd? |
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| 16:42.37 | gotgenes | gpm: they are put in /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases but manually editing the file doesn't update the aliases as far as Exim is concerned |
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| 16:43.07 | hjb | Where can i set the Proxy Evolution will use? |
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| 16:43.45 | hjb | I've tried gnome-network-settings but those settings i made are just ignored :-/ |
| 16:44.18 | sobersabre | blubberdiblub: I have only removed noapm, and the system seems quite at ease... VERY WIERD |
| 16:44.21 | sobersabre | thanks |
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| 16:45.37 | blubberdiblub | sobersabre: sure, you're welcome. with older smp boards, you seem to always have to be on the lookout for obscure troubles |
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| 16:47.06 | gpm | gotgenes: i assume you've checked out /usr/share/doc/mailman? |
| 16:47.21 | lord_rob | Hi ! "10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0" is an entry from my route table I would like to remove. What is the correct command to do this ? I don't understand man route very well |
| 16:47.23 | keith80403 | Debian Etch - Just switched ISP's and the DSL modem is set up with DHCP - how do I find out the name of the DNS server being used? |
| 16:47.36 | gotgenes | gpm: Yeah. I'm still digging around the intarweb. |
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| 16:47.56 | Hillview | me and my poor memory.. can anybody point me at a default sources.list somewhere on my filesystem? I made a mess of the one that the install cd placed. |
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| 16:48.06 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:48.09 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:48.10 | abrotman | !sources |
| 16:48.10 | dpkg | i guess sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 16:48.14 | gpm | gotgenes: there's a debian-administration article about it |
| 16:48.20 | Bushmills | 'morning |
| 16:48.24 | abrotman | Hillview: and probably an example in /usr/share/doc/apt/ |
| 16:48.33 | Hillview | ty all |
| 16:48.55 | gpm | gotgenes: but i think it's back from exim3 days |
| 16:49.08 | blubberdiblub | lord_rob: try: route del 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 |
| 16:49.55 | gotgenes | gpm: Actually the README.Exim4.Debian is more up-to-date and quite good; stiil, I haven't found anything about transfering mailman to other servers |
| 16:50.12 | gpm | gotgenes: try running /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases? |
| 16:50.28 | gotgenes | gpm: it gives an errer |
| 16:50.33 | gotgenes | s/errer/error/ |
| 16:50.50 | gotgenes | TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'NoneType' objects |
| 16:50.56 | lord_rob | blubberdiblub: route: netmask 00ffffff doesn't make sense with host route |
| 16:51.21 | gpm | gotgenes: eek, what version of debian? |
| 16:51.26 | jwisher | hello. i have a raid-1 system over two 160gb disks on a dedicated server. my host 1&1 set it up themselves... but it says filesystem /dev/md5 has ran out of space and it is mounted in /usr... however on /dev/md7 which is mounted to /home, there is 137gb free, so I would like to move some of that free space to /dev/md5... is that possible? there is also md1 and md6. |
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| 16:51.32 | gotgenes | gpm: MTA is set to None in mm_cfg.py; Etch |
| 16:51.54 | gpm | huh. i wish i knew more about mailman in debian |
| 16:52.06 | gpm | that seems suspect though |
| 16:52.08 | gpm | for starters |
| 16:52.10 | abrotman | gotgenes: what'd you break ? |
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| 16:52.26 | smacnay | Hi, what does one need to run xfce4-session without and display manager (gdm, xdm, etc.) running? |
| 16:52.29 | smacnay | a .xinitrc file with a line or two in it? |
| 16:52.30 | gotgenes | abrotman: transfered Mailman data from one server to another |
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| 16:52.40 | gotgenes | abrotman: but the aliases don't transfer with it |
| 16:52.57 | gotgenes | abrotman: so Exim4 complains that they are unroutable addresses |
| 16:52.59 | abrotman | gotgenes: i would imagine they go in /etc/aliases |
| 16:53.05 | abrotman | then run newaliases |
| 16:53.07 | abrotman | or newalias |
| 16:53.13 | blubberdiblub | lord_rob: that's kinda strange ... do you happen to have the iproute package installed? using the "ip" program to administer routes is easier, imho. it provides better output and such |
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| 16:53.15 | gotgenes | abrotman: Exim4 moved away from /etc/aliases |
| 16:53.24 | gotgenes | abrotman: er, wrt mailman |
| 16:53.40 | blubberdiblub | lord_rob: if so, try an "ip route show" first |
| 16:53.43 | abrotman | gotgenes: sarge or etch ? |
| 16:53.48 | gpm | etch |
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| 16:54.09 | gotgenes | abrotman: instead there are some entries that are placed in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template; it's in the README.Exim4.Debian |
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| 16:54.35 | abrotman | gotgenes: one of the boxes i have here running exim4 is putting aliases in /etc/aliases |
| 16:54.35 | gpm | gotgenes: but there is a newaliases command, right? |
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| 16:54.40 | gpm | or a newalias comand? |
| 16:54.40 | abrotman | where's petemc darn it! |
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| 16:54.49 | gpm | local mailman expert? |
| 16:54.49 | abrotman | it's newaliases |
| 16:54.50 | gotgenes | gpm: yes there is |
| 16:54.57 | gpm | try the man page for it |
| 16:54.57 | abrotman | gpm: exim abuser |
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| 16:55.12 | blubberdiblub | lord_rob: then you type: "ip route del " and paste the line you don't want from the output you just got |
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| 16:55.30 | gpm | abrotman: as in addict? or does he beat up exim for its virtual lunch money? |
| 16:55.35 | gotgenes | hahaha |
| 16:55.36 | blubberdiblub | lord_rob: directly after the del |
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| 16:56.11 | branstrom | Hey. I have this: command="svnserve -t --tunnel-user=fredrik",no-port-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding,no-X11-forwarding,no-pty TYPE KEY |
| 16:56.15 | branstrom | in my authorized_keys |
| 16:56.34 | abrotman | gotgenes: yeah .. i think you can use /etc/aliases |
| 16:56.35 | branstrom | Can I set those limitations for the entire user? Not have to do it for every pubkey? |
| 16:56.56 | gpm | it's worth trying |
| 16:56.59 | lord_rob | blubberdiblub: I don't have that ip command :-/ |
| 16:57.06 | gpm | copying the aliases over and running newaliases or whatever it is |
| 16:57.14 | blubberdiblub | lord_rob: try: "apt-get install iproute" first |
| 16:57.17 | gotgenes | abrotman: it reads from /etc/aliases; there are no mailman entries in there |
| 16:57.23 | gotgenes | so no update |
| 16:57.26 | gpm | gotgenes: copy them over |
| 16:57.38 | gotgenes | gpm: then remove them? |
| 16:57.39 | abrotman | gotgenes: you hve to put them there :) |
| 16:57.58 | gpm | gotgenes: well, if nothing's touching your current alias file, it couldn't hurt to just leave it alone |
| 16:58.50 | abrotman | sure .. that's what you say now! |
| 16:59.05 | gotgenes | Maybe I should look through the mailman code to see how it sneakily gets those aliases in for Exim |
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| 16:59.29 | gpm | does it do that? |
| 16:59.40 | gpm | on many other systems i've had to add the aliases manually |
| 16:59.55 | gpm | of course i don't know about debian/exim |
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| 16:59.58 | gotgenes | gpm: it must, newlist foo adds exim4 aliases for foo@mysite.com |
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| 17:00.04 | abrotman | gotgenes: it doesn't do ti automagically last i tried it |
| 17:00.06 | gotgenes | gpm: just checked |
| 17:00.12 | gpm | gotgenes: to your file in /var/lib or whatever? |
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| 17:00.17 | abrotman | or it doesn't on postfix anyways |
| 17:00.23 | gpm | mmm postfix |
| 17:00.34 | abrotman | it just spits out "here .. add this to your aliases file: blahblahblah" |
| 17:00.44 | gpm | abrotman: yeah, that's the standard treatment |
| 17:00.54 | gpm | but i think exim and mailman have some special relationship, i shit you not |
| 17:01.01 | gotgenes | gpm: to /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases, too, but it must be somewhere else |
| 17:01.01 | abrotman | and i thought it did that for exim too .. i don't think mailman is aware of the SMTP server |
| 17:01.03 | gpm | i remember reading that somewhere |
| 17:01.50 | gpm | http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html |
| 17:02.49 | gotgenes | gpm: the magic is in the router and transport directives--doesn't rely on /etc/aliases |
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| 17:03.51 | gotgenes | but somehow it needs to be told "Hey, there's a mailing list here that's legit"; just dumping in the Mailman data and listinfo doesn't restore the list |
| 17:03.54 | abrotman | what a pile of nonsense .. use postfix :) |
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| 17:04.17 | gpm | gotgenes: why not just create it as a new list and copy the archives over? |
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| 17:04.27 | gotgenes | abrotman: Hey, man, I just use Exim4 cause it was the default for Debian so I ran with it |
| 17:04.30 | gpm | if you make a new list aliases work? |
| 17:04.38 | metbsd | i hate exim |
| 17:04.38 | abrotman | gotgenes: yeah .. that decision was made like .. 10 years ago :) |
| 17:04.51 | gpm | how old is postfix anyway? |
| 17:05.01 | metbsd | i'm working on a exim smtp server, it's so fcking coplicated |
| 17:05.05 | abrotman | gpm: it was a project at for an IBM intern .. i think in 1992 or something ? |
| 17:05.12 | gpm | metbsd: heh, try sendmail |
| 17:05.16 | metbsd | i can't |
| 17:05.24 | metbsd | our 3 mailservers are exim running debian 4 |
| 17:05.26 | gpm | no, i mean sendmail is worse |
| 17:05.31 | metbsd | oh |
| 17:05.35 | gpm | and you can install sendmail on debian, btw |
| 17:05.45 | metbsd | we are all using exim for some reason |
| 17:05.58 | gpm | exim's a great mta imho |
| 17:05.59 | abrotman | i'm not |
| 17:06.01 | metbsd | it is said that exim host some large commercial mail provider |
| 17:06.10 | abrotman | gpm: way off. . 1999 |
| 17:06.12 | metbsd | what's so great about exim anyway |
| 17:06.13 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_(software) |
| 17:06.20 | gpm | flashy and new |
| 17:06.22 | gpm | cool |
| 17:06.23 | abrotman | metbsd: it's simple/small/and does the job well enough |
| 17:06.29 | abrotman | usually |
| 17:06.37 | metbsd | exim is small and does job well, but simple!!?? never |
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| 17:06.45 | abrotman | metbsd: it can be |
| 17:06.45 | metbsd | look at its conf file makes me headache |
| 17:06.56 | karleeto | i just installed debian on my laptop, and it went well, but when gdm comes up, my display is all distorted |
| 17:07.07 | gotgenes | Yeah Exim4 is a little challenging, at least for me |
| 17:07.15 | metbsd | all i want is some content filter, header filter, maybe HELO filter too, and SA with clamav |
| 17:07.16 | karleeto | i've looked over the xorg.conf, and it's not even displaying in the single configured resolution |
| 17:07.22 | gpm | i'm telling you guys, just try sendmail, you'll love exim |
| 17:07.24 | metbsd | will that be too complicated for exim? |
| 17:07.36 | abrotman | gpm: it's nto that bad |
| 17:08.02 | gpm | abrotman: i'd choose exim 99% of the time |
| 17:08.02 | metbsd | today we upgrade kernel, tommorow we gonna config all those shits on exim server |
| 17:08.03 | metbsd | dam it |
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| 17:08.16 | metbsd | any exim howto ? |
| 17:08.18 | gpm | oh, kernel upgrades |
| 17:08.32 | metbsd | yah i upgrade it |
| 17:08.34 | gpm | there are many exim howtos |
| 17:08.42 | abrotman | try in #exim |
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| 17:08.50 | metbsd | the raid 1 just failed to mount root |
| 17:08.56 | blubberdiblub | karleeto: sounds like a gfx-driver problem. have you configured X for the correct gfx-card-driver? |
| 17:09.05 | metbsd | all thank goes to rapid change in kernel source |
| 17:09.17 | gpm | oh linux... |
| 17:09.32 | row_ | I have raid0 on my system and am trying to install debian, yet when I come to partition hdds, it sees both my drives not the raid device, what do I do to sort that? |
| 17:09.50 | metbsd | what's in your raidtab |
| 17:09.57 | metbsd | chunk size |
| 17:10.02 | metbsd | and your lilo.conf |
| 17:10.02 | abrotman | row_: do you have a real raid controller ? |
| 17:10.06 | row_ | yeah |
| 17:10.07 | row_ | hardware raid |
| 17:10.08 | metbsd | they have to work well together |
| 17:10.11 | abrotman | row_: which is what ? |
| 17:10.14 | row_ | hmm |
| 17:10.22 | roxy_ | I have a list of named points (x,y) and then a list of 3 points names. I want to draw the triangles from the list. What tools could I use ? |
| 17:10.26 | abrotman | row_: this is SATA right ? |
| 17:10.29 | row_ | forget which let me find out, using a Asus commando mother board |
| 17:10.32 | row_ | abrotman: yeah |
| 17:10.38 | abrotman | commando ? |
| 17:10.49 | row_ | yeah its naked ;) |
| 17:10.53 | row_ | let me check one sec |
| 17:10.57 | row_ | gaming asus mobo |
| 17:11.03 | abrotman | at least it's not Ahnald! |
| 17:11.11 | metbsd | hey ahnald |
| 17:11.24 | gpm | the governator? |
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| 17:12.34 | row_ | abrotman: JMicron JMB363 apparently |
| 17:12.47 | Enverex | Does wpa_applicant and network assistant for Gnome come with Debian, if not are they on the CD? |
| 17:12.57 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 17:12.57 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
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| 17:13.37 | abrotman | streuner_: what's up with jmicron again? |
| 17:13.44 | row_ | I don't want to mess with the raid setup itself as got other OS on there |
| 17:13.46 | row_ | and also data |
| 17:13.48 | wols_ | row_: you don't have hardware raid on your asus |
| 17:13.49 | blubberdiblub | Enverex: you mean wpa_supplicant? it's in the distro, yes |
| 17:14.04 | Enverex | blubberdiblub, That's the one |
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| 17:14.23 | row_ | wois: er I do, what would you call it if its not hardware raid? |
| 17:14.28 | abrotman | fakeraid |
| 17:14.32 | wols_ | !fakeraid |
| 17:14.32 | Enverex | blubberdiblub, No wait, that's not what I meant, I mean do they come with the default base system or on the CD? |
| 17:14.32 | dpkg | Term used for controller cards that advertise raid functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these got only a bios ... if you use thiem with debian it's suggested that you don't set a raid in the bios and just use regular software raid. |
| 17:14.34 | gotgenes | abrotman, gpm: I did as you suggested and "remade" the lists, then copied the old contents back over--seems to work |
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| 17:14.44 | wols_ | your asus comando is a intel 965 or so based mobo with intel raid |
| 17:14.59 | wols_ | and unless you paid about 500-1000$ ofor a card from intel, you don't get RAID |
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| 17:15.19 | xand | $ goes before amounts |
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| 17:15.23 | giupy | blubberdiblub: ehi, i have recompiled kernel with agp support and now if i try load manually the module, my nvidia is seen and modules succesfully installed, anyhow i have remove module and the tar.gz and tried to do like you sad me, nothing.......... |
| 17:15.24 | blubberdiblub | Enverex: you mean if they get installed by default? well, that i don't know, the last time a had a default install was, well, i think never *g* |
| 17:15.50 | dfinn | isn't there a way to specify a shell in grub when booting a kernel. let's say bash is broken or missing and i want to boot into single user mode but use /bin/ksh, I thought that was possible.... |
| 17:15.52 | giupy | blubberdiblub: i don't remember do i need to apt-get install nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source first ? |
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| 17:16.01 | Enverex | blubberdiblub, It's just I want to install on my laptop and I'll net WiFi working else I can't install any extra packages, heh |
| 17:16.10 | giupy | before module-assistant |
| 17:16.12 | giupy | ? |
| 17:16.16 | wols_ | dfinn: init=/hin/ksh |
| 17:16.21 | dfinn | that's it, thanks |
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| 17:16.28 | dfinn | i kept thinking it was shell=/bin/ksh |
| 17:16.33 | Stephaknee | you guys have some good guides around about securing my system? I've always had really lax security because i'm on a NAT LAN i own, but im going to be going to college soon. |
| 17:16.41 | wols_ | !harden |
| 17:16.41 | dpkg | methinks harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 17:16.49 | smacnay | Is there a breakage in the nvidia drivers in testing? My X session will not open on a new boot. |
| 17:16.53 | blubberdiblub | giupy: tho it might not be strictly neccessary, i would do the apt-get install first, anyways, yes |
| 17:16.55 | Stephaknee | heh, harden. i like that. |
| 17:16.59 | wols_ | !btssmite smacnay |
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| 17:17.23 | giupy | blubberdiblub: well, than wich command ? |
| 17:17.36 | Stephaknee | and what can i do to make sure i dont have like stupid filesystem permissions around, like stuff set to 777, incase i want to give someone else an account and dont want them fucking the thing up? |
| 17:17.53 | wols_ | Stephaknee: don't |
| 17:17.56 | giupy | blubberdiblub: m-a install says me Package nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source was not built |
| 17:17.57 | giupy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.57 | blubberdiblub | Enverex: probably depends on what kind of CD-distro you have. which packages are on there depends on who packaged it. but wpasupplicant is quite a probably package |
| 17:18.22 | jwisher | if i upgraded from sarge to etch, would that affect my mirrored raid at all? |
| 17:18.30 | blubberdiblub | giupy: does it give a reason? |
| 17:18.40 | wols_ | jwisher: depends what kind of raid. software? |
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| 17:19.12 | giupy | blubberdiblub: it say me to read a file in var/cache/modass |
| 17:19.22 | wols_ | giupy: so why don't you? |
| 17:19.28 | giupy | wols_: 1.0.7185-4 |
| 17:19.32 | giupy | it's the file |
| 17:19.40 | wols_ | that's all that's in there? |
| 17:19.46 | abrotman | jwisher: jeez .. we'd hope not :) |
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| 17:19.54 | giupy | wols_: yeah abotu nvidia yes |
| 17:20.00 | wols_ | abrotman: he could use vendor RAID drivers... |
| 17:20.15 | abrotman | wols_: we could ask! |
| 17:20.20 | wols_ | abrotman: I did! |
| 17:20.22 | abrotman | wols_: let's make up an answer .. |
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| 17:20.30 | abrotman | wols_: go into whisper mode! |
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| 17:20.58 | abrotman | <whisper>wols_: let's tell him that etch makes margaritas!!</whisper> |
| 17:21.06 | wols_ | hard to come up with a good one. we could ask our raid expert row_ |
| 17:21.13 | blubberdiblub | giupy: well, just look at the lines at the bottom of the file m-a mentioned. there ought to be some compiler errors or other errors, that could provide hints as to what went wrong |
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| 17:21.18 | karleeto | blubberdiblub: ati driver that i always use |
| 17:21.26 | anapivirtua | Hi world. |
| 17:21.39 | giupy | blubberdiblub: there's only that line |
| 17:21.44 | wols_ | <whisper>cloned margaritas, on each raid partition one?</whisper> |
| 17:22.11 | abrotman | <whisper>wols_: not when we're done .. they'll be mixed together!!!</whisper> |
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| 17:22.26 | blubberdiblub | karleeto: but your box' ati card is quite new, i assume? then the ati driver might not be the correct one. you could try the radeon driver. or the fglrx thingy |
| 17:22.35 | giupy | hmm |
| 17:22.45 | wols_ | <whisper>when we are done, the glasses are empty. and no points for guessing who drank them </whisper> |
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| 17:23.21 | ava_tar | hi |
| 17:23.24 | wols_ | karleeto: maybe you could tell us what card it is? just a thought |
| 17:23.58 | karleeto | sorry, at work, lol |
| 17:23.59 | ava_tar | im searching for a pen testing live cd, from a ezine, i dont remember, anyone knows one. Excuseme english |
| 17:24.08 | abrotman | wols_: whisper mode off! |
| 17:24.11 | karleeto | ati rage mobility |
| 17:24.12 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 17:24.17 | wols_ | ava_tar: all we know is debian, nothing else |
| 17:24.22 | abrotman | <whisper>wols_: damn right!!! hahah</whisper> |
| 17:24.37 | ava_tar | yah but is a popullar ezine, and i dont remember |
| 17:24.39 | wols_ | karleeto: ok. ati is the right one IIRC |
| 17:24.49 | blubberdiblub | giupy: hmm? well, if i "less /var/cache/modass/nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source.buildlog.2.6.18-doremi-2.1181673637" for example, it gives me the whole buildlog. you'd have to substitute your file name of course |
| 17:24.54 | wols_ | ava_tar: the only thing popular here, ezine or not is debian |
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| 17:25.02 | wols_ | ava_tar: ask #linux perhaps |
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| 17:25.10 | karleeto | wols_: yeah, i use it on gentoo all the timwe |
| 17:25.13 | ava_tar | ok, thanks. |
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| 17:25.30 | wols_ | blubberdiblub: why are you building 96xx source and before you dealt with 71xx driver? or am i mistaken there? |
| 17:25.36 | abrotman | ava_tar: tried ##linux ? |
| 17:25.41 | giupy | blubberdiblub: i only have this two files in that dir : nvidia-kernel-legacy-source.avail_version |
| 17:25.41 | giupy | nvidia-kernel-source.avail_version |
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| 17:25.58 | giupy | and so on for others modules |
| 17:26.09 | blubberdiblub | wols_: i need the 96xx one, giupy needs the 71xx one |
| 17:26.17 | row_ | <wols_> hard to come up with a good one. we could ask our raid expert row_ <-- I never made out I was a exepect I just said never heard of fakeraid... |
| 17:26.35 | gpm | whoa, that's an old nvidia |
| 17:26.38 | gpm | :P |
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| 17:26.58 | giupy | blubberdiblub: if i use the .run on the nvidia site ? |
| 17:27.04 | doudou | Hi, i install uvc drivers for webcam logitech 5000 pro, it is said that it works on berlios site, compiled amsn but i cant see all screen, semm there is an error in amsn, i want to test my webcam with fluxbox what program should i install to only see my webcam? |
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| 17:27.18 | abrotman | row_: that makes you our expert :) |
| 17:27.30 | BUMBACL0T | AMD Turion X2 or Core 2 Duo w/ Centrino |
| 17:27.33 | gpm | giupy: i wrote up my hell with 96xx, http://debian.livejournal.com |
| 17:27.36 | blubberdiblub | giupy: i have no experience with that. i prefer not to litter my debian system too much with alien packages |
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| 17:27.58 | gpm | helpful if you're on .20 or .21 |
| 17:28.02 | wols_ | giupy: it will work, but no support here |
| 17:28.43 | cahoot | doudou, test the cam with luvcview |
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| 17:29.28 | gpm | there is support for that in #nvidia though |
| 17:29.29 | giupy | gpm: thanks but i need 71xx |
| 17:29.41 | giupy | gpm: thanks a lot i go there |
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| 17:29.50 | doudou | is there a branch of debian, for only video, internet, and word processing, with simpliest lib and programs choosen |
| 17:30.02 | giupy | anyhow it seems to be a problem in compiling |
| 17:30.12 | gpm | giupy: right, is it about gpl-only symbols? |
| 17:30.22 | xand | gah, such insolence from apt-get update |
| 17:30.28 | gpm | giupy: paste the compilation errors in a pastebin |
| 17:30.33 | blubberdiblub | gpm: giupy runs 2.6.18, just like me ;) |
| 17:30.40 | gpm | damn |
| 17:30.53 | wols_ | I just tried to queue up a few files with "queue put file" and lftp says to me "queue stopped". do I have to do something special to make it run? |
| 17:30.54 | doudou | cahoot, aptitude search luvcview does not answer, and su luvcview did not |
| 17:31.03 | xand | apt-get update on etch: Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/non-free Packages 99% [Waiting for headers]..... gets stuck there... what gives? |
| 17:31.04 | gpm | i'm so excited that i finally figured out this gpl-only crap with a debianized method...but nobody else seems to need my expertise :( |
| 17:31.06 | cahoot | doudou, I had to use the svn snapshot of uvcvideo to get my logitech 5000 pro to work |
| 17:31.32 | cahoot | doudou, you have to compile luvcview |
| 17:31.42 | doudou | cahoot, ok thanks |
| 17:31.44 | blubberdiblub | gpm: i will come back to you when i finally decide to upgrade to .21 :) |
| 17:31.57 | gpm | blubberdiblub: heh, well i wrote it up at the debian livejournal |
| 17:32.03 | blubberdiblub | finally -> eventually |
| 17:32.17 | gpm | sid forced me to figure it out |
| 17:32.26 | gpm | it was an otherwise smooth transition |
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| 17:33.02 | doudou | cahoot, excuse this stupid question, how do i get svn sources, i did aptitude install linux-uvc-source and follow to compile it with module-assistant |
| 17:33.45 | cahoot | doudou, http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ |
| 17:33.55 | blubberdiblub | gpm: what buggers me most about the .21 is, that it's not yet available through lenny. only sid and backports. that scares me away a little bit, you know |
| 17:34.13 | gpm | blubberdiblub: sid's a scary mother no doubt |
| 17:34.30 | doudou | cahoot, i tried aptitude install svn but too many packages |
| 17:34.38 | cahoot | subversion |
| 17:35.14 | blubberdiblub | okay, gotta get off for a bit ... need to go to the bakery and stuff |
| 17:35.24 | wols_ | gpm: sid now has kids? oh my |
| 17:35.24 | gpm | mmm, bakery |
| 17:35.36 | gpm | wols_: 'scuse me, scary mfer |
| 17:35.40 | doudou | cahoot, berlios does not propose to download files |
| 17:35.40 | h3sp4wn | He has a dog |
| 17:35.55 | gpm | for $200, what is that dogs name? |
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| 17:36.47 | gpm | no cheating! |
| 17:36.52 | gpm | timeout: Scud |
| 17:36.53 | cahoot | doudou, well I'm juste relaying what I had to do to get it to work here |
| 17:37.14 | staniel | grah, this nvidia stuff is starting to get on my nerves |
| 17:37.28 | doudou | cahoot, ok aptitude install subversion and svn checkout svn://svn.berlios.de/linux-uvc/linux-uvc/trunk i got the sources |
| 17:37.31 | cahoot | doudou, but - just start with trying out luvcview |
| 17:37.34 | gpm | oh, maybe staniel needs me expertise |
| 17:37.37 | gpm | staniel: which kernel? |
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| 17:38.31 | staniel | gpm: 2.6.21-1-686 |
| 17:38.37 | gpm | staniel: trying to compile the module? |
| 17:38.43 | gpm | staniel: getting gpl-only symbol errors? |
| 17:38.44 | doudou | cahoot, i have no idea how to find luvcview |
| 17:38.59 | staniel | well I was getting the paravirt_ops thinger before |
| 17:39.16 | staniel | now I tried using some howto but it seems to get it installed, but fails to load the module |
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| 17:39.25 | AlteKiet | Hi all, When I open a ssh-connection (win + putty) to a debian box, there is a pause of 5 (five!) seconds between entering a username and sshd asking for a password. Anyone got a clue? |
| 17:39.28 | gpm | staniel: have glx installed? |
| 17:39.36 | valdyn | staniel: who fails? |
| 17:39.42 | AlteKiet | Haven't changed any ssh settings lately. The problem started a few days ago |
| 17:39.46 | staniel | gpm: doh |
| 17:39.52 | gpm | staniel: heh, i did that too |
| 17:39.52 | xand | AlteKiet: is dns working ok on the server? |
| 17:39.59 | gpm | ah, grammar nazi to the rescue! |
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| 17:40.05 | staniel | I should of known about that |
| 17:40.10 | staniel | i've done the nvidia stuff enough |
| 17:40.11 | gpm | should have |
| 17:40.15 | AlteKiet | xand: guess so. running bind without problems |
| 17:40.18 | cahoot | doudou, http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html |
| 17:40.21 | gpm | staniel: yeah, that's what i thought, but these new problems are distracting |
| 17:40.29 | AlteKiet | xand: box == dns server for local network |
| 17:40.32 | gpm | staniel: make sure you get the right glx package |
| 17:40.44 | staniel | gpm: doesn't nvidia-glx work? |
| 17:40.45 | xand | AlteKiet: slow ssh login is usually caused by reverse dns for the machine you're logging in from being slow/not working |
| 17:40.46 | nvz | putty has always been slow like that for me. seems like using ssh and just offering the username up-front eliminates the delay |
| 17:40.59 | gpm | staniel: depends, i have to use -legacy-96xx now, ymmv |
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| 17:41.23 | staniel | shit, looks like this other howto I was using has caused this error when I try to modprobe nvidia |
| 17:41.34 | staniel | "nvidia: unknown symbol paravirt_ops" |
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| 17:41.39 | AlteKiet | xand: thanks. I'll have a look at that. At least a starting point for my quest :) |
| 17:41.46 | grew | oh paravirt_ops |
| 17:41.49 | gpm | staniel: check out my post at debian.livejournal.com |
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| 17:41.57 | stew | AlteKiet: from the ssh server, run "getent hosts 1.2.3.4" for the ip address that it appears you are sshing from |
| 17:41.59 | grew | that paravirt crap really needs to not be in the stock debian kernel |
| 17:42.04 | gpm | even if you don't use 96xx, it still may be usefull |
| 17:42.05 | stew | AlteKiet: if that takes a long time, that is your problem |
| 17:42.15 | gpm | grew: apparently virtualization is too interesting to not be included |
| 17:42.23 | gpm | so sayeth the kernel team, i think |
| 17:42.27 | grew | gpm: too bad its incompatible with the nvidia driver |
| 17:42.35 | doudou | cahoot, thanks, should stop baby is crying |
| 17:42.35 | AlteKiet | stew: thanks! I'll have a look at it |
| 17:42.35 | grew | im speaking about the debian kernel not linux period |
| 17:42.39 | gpm | grew: yeah, but do you think they care about that? |
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| 17:42.57 | h3sp4wn | Its fixed for 2.6.22 (or will be for 23) at least it wasn't supposed to be a gpl only symbol |
| 17:42.57 | grew | gpm: methinks more debian users care abuot nvidia than paravirtualization |
| 17:43.00 | gpm | nvidia is not even officially part of debian |
| 17:43.04 | gpm | you're probably right |
| 17:43.13 | gpm | for desktop users anyway |
| 17:43.23 | bahadunn | anyone know of a tool to convert spool/mail files into mbox or maildir? |
| 17:43.27 | valdyn | if modprobe nvidia gives that error, how is that the kernels fault? |
| 17:43.28 | gpm | or rather, for people who need opengl |
| 17:43.31 | gpm | but most can get by with nv |
| 17:43.38 | gpm | valdyn: it's complicated |
| 17:43.39 | grew | or use twinview |
| 17:43.45 | grew | which doesnt work with nv |
| 17:43.45 | staniel | gpm: that link you posted in the howto is what I was using :( |
| 17:43.48 | gpm | it's not really either's fault |
| 17:43.52 | gpm | staniel: hah! |
| 17:43.59 | gpm | staniel: sorry, it worked for me |
| 17:44.04 | valdyn | wonder why nvidia would need that symbol |
| 17:44.16 | gpm | modpost? |
| 17:44.22 | stew | grew: debian shouldn't criple its kernel just to allow you to compile non-free software against it, especially when you have the option of compiling out the paravirt_ops if you don't need it |
| 17:44.33 | gpm | staniel: try the other howto that i linked to in that post |
| 17:44.40 | staniel | valdyn: I think I read something in their documentation saying they didn't include it |
| 17:44.50 | valdyn | staniel: no way |
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| 17:45.02 | valdyn | staniel: their being debian? |
| 17:45.05 | gpm | yes, linux has suddenly decided to wage war with nvidia |
| 17:45.13 | valdyn | staniel: then no way, i dont know what nvidia would do |
| 17:45.13 | gpm | there's some fud |
| 17:45.25 | valdyn | gpm: there's an already old joke |
| 17:45.27 | staniel | valdyn: they blame the kernel |
| 17:45.31 | h3sp4wn | At least on 2.6.22-rc5 it uses EXPORT_SYMBOL(paravirt_ops); (not EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(paravirt_ops);) |
| 17:45.36 | staniel | since fedora users are having the same problem |
| 17:45.47 | grew | its a kernel issue |
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| 17:45.50 | grew | well, a GPL issue |
| 17:45.56 | gpm | here we go |
| 17:46.01 | gpm | arguing about a non-issue |
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| 17:46.07 | h3sp4wn | exactly its fixed |
| 17:46.12 | grew | its fixed? |
| 17:46.15 | gpm | in .22 |
| 17:46.19 | grew | oh |
| 17:46.21 | grew | well then, good |
| 17:46.31 | staniel | gpm: I only see 2 links, one to a howto and a link to a .deb file |
| 17:46.31 | valdyn | staniel: yes, the kernel constantly changes its infterface to modules - that's intentional, doesnt just hit nvidia, but anything out of tree |
| 17:46.32 | stew | grew: the authors were kind enough to relicense their code to not be GPL only |
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| 17:46.40 | grew | excellent |
| 17:46.49 | gpm | staniel: yeah, that howto...or that's what you've been using? |
| 17:46.57 | grew | when i looked into this a few weeks ago, everyone seemed to think it was going to be an issue for a while |
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| 17:47.03 | staniel | gpm: thats what I've been using :( |
| 17:47.22 | valdyn | staniel: its fix vs backwards compatibility. In this case, the backwards compatibility is something kernel devs never cared the tiniest bit for |
| 17:47.23 | gpm | staniel: wait, you have a card that works with the main, non-legacy nvidia driver/ |
| 17:47.26 | gpm | ? |
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| 17:47.52 | staniel | gpm: yeah, I think... its a geforce 6200 agp card |
| 17:47.58 | staniel | i |
| 17:48.10 | staniel | i've never had to use the legacy stuff before.... do I need to now? |
| 17:48.18 | valdyn | nah |
| 17:48.24 | gpm | that one's still ok? |
| 17:48.35 | gpm | my geforce4 mx420 has been sent to 96xx legacy land |
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| 17:48.44 | staniel | it was listed in the appendix of support devices |
| 17:48.50 | valdyn | that's like 5 years older ( the mx ) |
| 17:49.00 | gpm | valdyn: heh, yeah, plus it was shitty at the time |
| 17:49.13 | gpm | staniel: you're using nvidia-kernel-source, right? |
| 17:49.21 | gpm | and you're on sid? |
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| 17:49.31 | staniel | gpm.. uhh yeah... and yeah |
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| 17:50.16 | valdyn | staniel: i would go with nvidias installer, if it wasnt that hard to clean up after.. |
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| 17:50.39 | gpm | staniel: did you rebuild the kbuild? |
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| 17:50.49 | staniel | yeah... I think I did anyway lol |
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| 17:51.13 | gpm | well, if those howtos don't help, the best thing i can think of is just use nv until .22 comes out |
| 17:51.15 | wfq | hey does anyone use xfce as desktop by default? |
| 17:51.23 | gpm | !anyone |
| 17:51.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:51.40 | staniel | gpm: yeah... but then I lose my dual display |
| 17:51.44 | valdyn | gpm: you mean until a fixed nvidia driver is out? |
| 17:51.51 | valdyn | gpm: or is this a real kernel bug? |
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| 17:52.00 | staniel | valdyn: its a real kernel bug |
| 17:52.06 | gpm | valdyn: no, i mean until .22, when paravirt_ops isn't gpl only anymore. |
| 17:52.06 | valdyn | i see |
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| 17:52.12 | h3sp4wn | There is no problem with nvidia if you build a kernel without paravirtual ops |
| 17:52.22 | stew | gpm: do you need paravirtualization? |
| 17:52.22 | h3sp4wn | or just change that one line and rebuild it |
| 17:52.36 | valdyn | guess that is why i never had issues - i dont use debian kernels. |
| 17:53.08 | gpm | stew: i'm fine, thanks. |
| 17:53.57 | ustunozgur | gpm: I think I got that gpl issue with an ati yesterday, would your method solve that too? |
| 17:54.06 | ustunozgur | gpm: I think I got that gpl issue with an ati yesterday, would your method solve that too? |
| 17:54.08 | gpm | valdyn: http://lwn.net/Articles/233315/, in there it says "paravirt_ops is no longer a GPL-only export." |
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| 17:54.24 | valdyn | gpm: ah, thanks |
| 17:54.37 | gpm | ustunozgur: dunno, this has only been tested with the nvidia driver. |
| 17:54.50 | gpm | and not extensively by any stretch of the imagination |
| 17:55.03 | ustunozgur | btw see my comment on the java issue on your blog. |
| 17:55.31 | gpm | ustunozgur: not my blog, it's a community blog |
| 17:55.37 | ustunozgur | ah, ok. |
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| 17:56.51 | staniel | god, I wonder how long its gonna take for the 22 to come out |
| 17:57.49 | gpm | staniel: you could keep fiddling around with nvidia, re-do steps, purge packages and start over |
| 17:57.55 | gpm | it took me a couple of tries to get it right |
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| 17:58.00 | gpm | and that's why i posted exactly what i did |
| 17:58.21 | gpm | or you could use one of those patched nvidia installers on the howto i linked to |
| 17:58.44 | gpm | since your card is still part of the mainstream nvidia line, you're cool to do that |
| 17:58.47 | ustunozgur | this is something kernel dev's are doing on purpose, right? |
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| 17:59.02 | gpm | ustunozgur: yes, but not because they hate you or nvidia) |
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| 18:01.08 | staniel | gpm: that would be cool, but it seems the site is down :( |
| 18:01.15 | AlteKiet | xand: stew: thanks for your help guys. The problem was that the zone file that contains entries for _local_ reverse dns lookups conained an 'illegal entry' (added by me of course) so bind refuses to load that file. reversed dns lookup to the host experiencing delayed logon to ssh was therefore not possible... >> problem solved |
| 18:01.35 | xlotlu | oh my, beagle's gone crazy |
| 18:01.39 | gpm | staniel: yeah, it went down on me (hah, like your mom!), try again in a couple of minutes |
| 18:01.52 | staniel | gpm: my moms dead |
| 18:01.52 | gpm | should be back within an hour, but i make no guarantees |
| 18:02.36 | xlotlu | swapped 800M o.O |
| 18:02.52 | staniel | nah, im just messing with you... hopefully its back up soon, as cool as using finch is for IM, its really not easy lol |
| 18:04.27 | gpm | staniel: finch? you mean pidgin? |
| 18:04.41 | staniel | gpm: yeah, the terminal based part of it |
| 18:04.50 | gpm | staniel: you can still run X with nv |
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| 18:04.54 | gpm | in the meantime |
| 18:05.15 | staniel | gpm: yeah, but im just too lazy, plus its good motivation to get nvidia shit going |
| 18:05.18 | unlink | when i use swaks to test TLS support for my mail server, it works. however, every other client runs into SMTP syncronization issues: they say EHLO before exim greets them |
| 18:05.30 | gpm | staniel: heh, i prefer to get it working within the niceness of X |
| 18:05.31 | staniel | with that said - im going for a beer |
| 18:05.37 | unlink | i'm using debian stable |
| 18:05.49 | h3sp4wn | staniel: You can just change the nvidia module license to GPL if you want |
| 18:06.07 | h3sp4wn | (then it would work - and its not against the license because you are not distributing it) |
| 18:06.14 | wfq | I am reading there is a xfce4-messenger-pluging for debian and xfce deskto but i am wondering if this pluging acts on msn package? |
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| 18:08.58 | xlotlu | do i want to setkeycode for the Fn key? |
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| 18:10.25 | inv | hi all |
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| 18:10.43 | inv | after update&&upgrade debian doesn't boot |
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| 18:11.01 | inv | it writes invalid ATA status |
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| 18:11.07 | inv | or can't find /dev/hda1 |
| 18:11.23 | stew | inv: did you install a new kernel? |
| 18:11.37 | inv | stew: I don't remember :( |
| 18:11.45 | stew | inv: perhaps /dev/hda1 is now /dev/sda1 |
| 18:11.49 | inv | there wasn't asked anything |
| 18:12.13 | inv | what should I do ? |
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| 18:12.22 | inv | grub-install again ? |
| 18:12.22 | stew | inv: try /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/hda1 |
| 18:12.28 | inv | ok, thx |
| 18:12.39 | inv | brb in 2 minutes if not ok :) |
| 18:12.57 | stew | inv: no, just see if that makes it boot first, then consider switching to use uuids or filesystem labels instead of device names so you'd be immune to such a name change |
| 18:13.17 | stew | ugh, grub-install is not what he should be doing |
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| 18:16.40 | unlink | why might swaks work but real email clients not? |
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| 18:17.03 | GhostlyDeath | There a way to make my computer beep at a certain time? |
| 18:17.33 | cahoot | atd |
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| 18:17.45 | abrotman | !beep |
| 18:17.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 18:18.43 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: uh.. |
| 18:19.09 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: I'm talking about making a noise, like \a not some P2P stuff |
| 18:19.42 | StucKman | hi all. I have a problem I'm not sure whot to trace. my webserver is serving three different certificates when accessing it. one of them is exprired. but my apache2 is configured to use just une certificate. so, which tool can I use to see which certificates are served when accessing all the files in a page? my first move was toward wget, but it doens't dump or do anything else with certificates. any ideas? |
| 18:19.46 | cahoot | GhostlyDeath: use atd to do the echoing |
| 18:20.29 | unlink | with full logging, they appear exactly the same in exim's log |
| 18:20.40 | karsten | StucKman: openssl can be used to query stuff like that. RTFM as I'm not familiar with specific syntax. |
| 18:20.41 | GhostlyDeath | the echoing does nothing |
| 18:20.59 | cahoot | pcspkr not loaded? |
| 18:21.20 | GhostlyDeath | PC Speaker sounds are outputted to the speakers |
| 18:21.25 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: in a termianl .. echo -ne "\007" |
| 18:21.35 | abrotman | does ctrl-g work ? |
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| 18:21.45 | abrotman | and beep isn't p2p |
| 18:21.45 | GhostlyDeath | doesn't do anything |
| 18:21.49 | abrotman | the program i mean |
| 18:21.57 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: is your PCM level up ? |
| 18:22.07 | GhostlyDeath | max |
| 18:22.30 | GhostlyDeath | In sound options, "audiotestsrc wave=triangle is-live=true" works though |
| 18:22.45 | KeepW_ | someone know how to create a virtual network interface and use it with ip route ? |
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| 18:22.47 | StucKman | karsten: the problem is: the first certificate is ok; seems like when serving one of the needed anoter certificate is delivered... could it be? I'm just not sure |
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| 18:23.01 | karsten | StucKman: #apache |
| 18:23.07 | StucKman | karsten: goo idea |
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| 18:23.13 | inv | re |
| 18:23.22 | inv | root=/dev/sda1 doesn't help :( |
| 18:23.22 | gpm | i haven't had a goo idea in a while |
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| 18:23.44 | doudou | Lucvview is not answer for me, i want simplier |
| 18:23.48 | Greyscale | Can I count traffic on a specific port on my server? |
| 18:24.01 | inv | ATA 0x07 on port 0xd007 |
| 18:24.04 | Greyscale | I want to see how much traffic my ircd generates |
| 18:25.08 | gpm | logs? |
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| 18:27.17 | gpm | inv: does the kernel even show up? |
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| 18:27.21 | coder | has anyone managed to downgrade from etch to woody? (yes, it does sound silly, just as the customer) |
| 18:27.27 | gpm | or is this error before the kernel is loaded |
| 18:27.36 | gpm | coder: there's no official way to downgrade |
| 18:27.48 | gpm | aside from reinstalling |
| 18:27.54 | blubberdiblub | Greyscale: you could use iftop with the -f option to specify a filter for your port. but there are a myriad of other tools as well you could use for that |
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| 18:28.32 | doudou | it ask sdl lib (50 Meg) seems more and more stupid this increase of code |
| 18:28.38 | coder | well, an unofficial way would be handy |
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| 18:28.57 | gpm | coder: manually downgrading all your packages. |
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| 18:29.16 | gpm | with dpkg -i [a-woody-deb]...but that won't necessarily work |
| 18:29.19 | doudou | why ppl build packages from their own computer instead of using common platform |
| 18:29.27 | Greyscale | blubberdiblub, I just want a "50KB" style responce for a specific port |
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| 18:29.32 | Greyscale | IE 6667 used 50KB |
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| 18:30.17 | coder | [a-woody-deb] ? |
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| 18:30.33 | coder | I meant for the whole system |
| 18:30.39 | gpm | coder: there is no such method |
| 18:30.53 | gpm | reinstall |
| 18:30.56 | blubberdiblub | Greyscale: you can do things like that with iftop. just use a filter rule such as: -f "port 6667" |
| 18:31.10 | gpm | coder: out of curiosity, why do you want to go all the way back to woody? |
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| 18:32.41 | gpm | !downgrade |
| 18:32.41 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 18:33.22 | minerale | Greetings, I have a very underpowered laptop (Thinkpad a21m) and a very big monitor (gateway 24") - The manual for the monitor instructs to use 1920x1200 freqquency 74 khz (horizontal) and 60 vertical |
| 18:33.28 | Greyscale | blubberdiblub, nonono, I don't want to have to run anything like that. I just want it to cough up the amount of traffic on a port since it booted. |
| 18:33.37 | minerale | but when I add them to the xorg.conf file, and start x -- it's still 800 by 900 |
| 18:33.37 | inv | gpm, looks like ok, but strange message incorrect ATA status 0x07 on port 0xD007 |
| 18:33.46 | inv | don't know what does it mean |
| 18:33.53 | gpm | i don't either. |
| 18:34.01 | blubberdiblub | Greyscale: ah, now i see, you need something collecting stats |
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| 18:34.24 | gpm | the question is if this is happening before or after the kernel is loaded |
| 18:34.29 | Greyscale | I just want to figure out how much my small IRC network uses in bandwidth :/ |
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| 18:34.36 | gpm | does the grub menu even come up? |
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| 18:35.50 | bohan | hi, i'm using exim on etch, and during package configuration, i chose to have mails delivered to Maildirs in users' homedirs. Despite of this setting, exim still delivers mails as mailbox files in /var/mail/<username>. Is it the normal behaviour or a configuration problem? |
| 18:36.19 | unlink | !pastebin |
| 18:36.19 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 18:36.44 | blubberdiblub | Greyscale: well, if your irc server doesn't provide the option to generate such statistics, you could set up iptables rules, which also have counters with them. otherwise you'd have to run some tool, i guess |
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| 18:37.21 | Greyscale | blubberdiblub, damn. Does UnrealIRCD 3.2 do that? |
| 18:37.27 | minerale | what's the name of that utility that lets you configure the fine settings on the monitor and xorg ? |
| 18:37.52 | Greyscale | I like to do it with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:37.54 | gpm | minerale: dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 18:37.57 | coder | gpm well, sarge will suffice I think |
| 18:38.05 | Greyscale | coder, D: |
| 18:38.06 | Greyscale | sarge |
| 18:38.13 | gpm | coder: ok, still no downgrade support though :/ |
| 18:38.15 | blubberdiblub | Greyscale: i have no idea. but setting up such iptables rules shouldn't be that difficult |
| 18:38.24 | Greyscale | sarge is older than the cow that made up jesus sandals. |
| 18:38.33 | coder | it's because an etch dedicated server from a customer was upgraded and plesk doesn't work yet with etch |
| 18:38.36 | gpm | if you're on etch, the easiest way to move to sarge is to reinstall with a sarge cd |
| 18:38.53 | coder | reinstall is the latest option of a good bofh |
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| 18:39.12 | gpm | bohan: does mail also get sent to the maildir? |
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| 18:40.49 | bohan | gpm, i have procmail and spamassasin installed too. spam is send to a maildir subdir, but normal mails stays in /var/mail mailbox files |
| 18:41.05 | bohan | *send/sent |
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| 18:41.30 | minerale | gpm: no I'm configuring the X server myself, but there are refresh lines on the screen, it's as if my monitor had bad reception, can't figure out how to fix it |
| 18:41.32 | gpm | bohan: so normal mail isn't making it to the maildir in the users homedir? |
| 18:41.42 | bohan | gpm, exectly, yes |
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| 18:42.09 | gpm | bohan: sounds like a configuration error. i'd doublecheck the procmail config, maybe you have to tell procmail to put mail into the maildir? |
| 18:42.39 | gpm | at least you got spamass working, that's a hurdle for many |
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| 18:42.57 | bohan | gpm, i guess i can tell procmail to do that, yes. although, i'd expect exim to do it itself. |
| 18:42.58 | unlink | when i try to send a message from thunderbird with my SMTP server using TLS, i get the following error in thunderbird: Unable to connect to SMTP server smtp.example.com via STARTTLS since it doesn't offer STARTTLS In EHLO response. here is the exim4 debug output: http://rafb.net/p/1lJGFP56.html |
| 18:43.40 | gpm | bohan: me too, i suspect maybe though that procmail is interfering |
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| 18:43.50 | bohan | gpm, maybe it's the combination of exim and procmail that's making it behave that way |
| 18:43.57 | gpm | yes |
| 18:44.06 | bohan | gpm, ok.. i'll google for info on that |
| 18:44.09 | unlink | have you considered sa-exim? |
| 18:44.22 | bohan | unlink: nope, what is it? |
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| 18:44.35 | gpm | bohan: http://edin.no-ip.com/html/?q=exim4_procmail_maildir_debian_etch_mini_howto |
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| 18:44.46 | draeath | is there any way to get a file > 4gb onto a DVD? |
| 18:44.55 | draeath | I know it's not "possible" |
| 18:45.10 | h3sp4wn | draeath: Use dual layer |
| 18:45.23 | draeath | its not that, i actually have 4.2gb space |
| 18:45.27 | unlink | bohan: an easy way to get spamassassin working |
| 18:45.34 | unlink | draeath: what's the problem? |
| 18:45.34 | draeath | the file is 4.1, and supposedly you cant write a single file greater than 4gb |
| 18:45.46 | draeath | some lame FS limitation |
| 18:45.47 | unlink | draeath: use applications compiled since 2001 |
| 18:45.53 | draeath | on a DVD? |
| 18:45.56 | bohan | unlink: thanks |
| 18:46.09 | unlink | draeath: there shouldn't be an issue |
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| 18:46.38 | draeath | k3b won't do it, do I need to do it by hand? |
| 18:46.54 | unlink | what error does it give you? |
| 18:46.57 | unlink | start it in a console |
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| 18:47.17 | draeath | it specifically tells me that I cannot burn files greater than 4gb |
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| 18:49.00 | draeath | looks like gnome-baker will do it but I miscalculated size :/ |
| 18:49.07 | bohan | unlink: about that tls problem.. do you really need to use tls? |
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| 18:49.17 | draeath | why oh why cant people stick with kilo or kibi and be done with it! |
| 18:49.30 | unlink | bohan: yes |
| 18:49.38 | unlink | bohan: i'm not sending passwords in the clear over the internet |
| 18:50.03 | gpm | don't want to get pwned |
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| 18:50.22 | unlink | exim appears to be perfectly configured; swaks works just fine. |
| 18:50.38 | centrx | draeath, we had kilo, and everyone thought it was done with |
| 18:50.40 | bohan | unlink: looks like there's an exim-tls package that has tls support |
| 18:50.58 | centrx | draeath, then the IAEA decided to invent words out of whole cloth |
| 18:51.07 | unlink | bohan: not in sarge. exim-daemon-{light,heavy} both support TLS |
| 18:51.10 | unlink | *etch |
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| 18:51.57 | valdyn | exim-tls probably refers to exim3 while default is exim4 |
| 18:52.06 | draeath | centrx, i mean the whole 1000/1024 idiocy |
| 18:52.09 | bohan | unlink: ha. so it's supported buy not enabled by default.. that's a pity |
| 18:52.20 | bohan | *buy/but |
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| 18:52.24 | Zoo | hello everyone |
| 18:52.25 | gpm | !info exim-tls etch |
| 18:52.37 | coder | Unpacking replacement debianutils ... |
| 18:52.38 | coder | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.8.4_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/bin/mktemp', which is also in package mktemp |
| 18:52.38 | dpkg | coder: what are you talking about? |
| 18:52.52 | coder | heh |
| 18:52.54 | Zoo | any developers here? |
| 18:52.58 | valdyn | coder: you're on sid? |
| 18:52.59 | coder | about you, silly package manager |
| 18:53.04 | coder | valdyn no |
| 18:53.05 | wols_ | !tell Zoo about anyone |
| 18:53.08 | coder | just want to downgrade that package |
| 18:53.11 | coder | any ideas? |
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| 18:53.20 | wols_ | coder: on what are you? |
| 18:53.23 | gpm | downgrad mktemp first? |
| 18:53.23 | valdyn | coder: --force-overwrite |
| 18:53.24 | coder | etch |
| 18:53.28 | coder | oh |
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| 18:53.30 | gpm | he's on etch trying to go back to sarge |
| 18:53.43 | valdyn | geez |
| 18:53.56 | coder | E: Command line option --force-overwrite is not understood |
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| 18:54.04 | gpm | downgrad mktemp first? |
| 18:54.04 | Zoo | I have plans to integrate a system, and idea, with debian, and merge openBSD with debian, |
| 18:54.05 | wols_ | gpm: has anyone withhold his meds? |
| 18:54.05 | coder | (hint: i'm not a debian admin) |
| 18:54.13 | gpm | wols_: tell me about it |
| 18:54.18 | valdyn | coder: downgrade is not supported, depending on how many and which packages you want to downgrading, a reinstall can be MUCH easier |
| 18:54.22 | Zoo | anyone interested in working together |
| 18:54.31 | coder | valdyn is a custmomer... |
| 18:54.32 | gpm | valdyn: he doesn't listen to reason, i told him that already |
| 18:54.37 | infernal_jesus | Zoo: define merge... |
| 18:54.43 | coder | it's not for me, it's just a temp solution |
| 18:54.45 | unlink | bohan: it works, i know it does. i can tell withswaks |
| 18:54.45 | Zoo | integrate openBSD with debian |
| 18:54.55 | gpm | the openbsd kernel? |
| 18:54.56 | coder | how can I combine apt-get upgrade with overwrite? |
| 18:54.59 | infernal_jesus | why? |
| 18:55.00 | valdyn | coder: i hope he pays you by the hour, because this is plain stupid |
| 18:55.06 | wols_ | Zoo: http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd/index.en.html |
| 18:55.06 | Zoo | I have been having this vision and it isn't stopping lol |
| 18:55.09 | coder | valdyn of course he does |
| 18:55.20 | gpm | there's already kfreebsd too |
| 18:55.23 | coder | every 30 minutes 29 euro + vat |
| 18:55.33 | gpm | very nice |
| 18:55.34 | nofxx | can someone help me with this firehol conf? http://wiki.nofxx.com/code:unix:gateway |
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| 18:55.54 | coder | is it possible to do an apt-get upgrade with forcing overwrite? |
| 18:55.57 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 18:55.57 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 18:56.07 | gpm | coder: upgrade? sure |
| 18:56.07 | valdyn | coder: look ^^ on how to pass dpkg options to apt-get |
| 18:56.15 | coder | oh |
| 18:56.27 | bohan | unlink: googling for exim starttls seems to return good info |
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| 18:56.45 | Zoo | can't we port debian to FreeBSD and even openBSD? or gentoo even for that matter |
| 18:56.46 | valdyn | exim4 starttls info is also in /usr/share/doc/exim4/ |
| 18:56.53 | gpm | Zoo: what do you want to port? |
| 18:56.56 | gpm | Zoo: apt-get? |
| 18:56.57 | valdyn | Zoo: do it. |
| 18:57.04 | Zoo | lol yea :) |
| 18:57.09 | Zoo | already plan to lol |
| 18:57.18 | gpm | you need developers to package everything in deb format |
| 18:57.21 | Zoo | interchange the systems |
| 18:57.23 | valdyn | Zoo: except for freebsd, that is already being done |
| 18:57.27 | gpm | and make it work with the system |
| 18:57.29 | unlink | bohan: it advertises STARTTLS just fine |
| 18:57.32 | Zoo | give users the options.. what they want to compile, and what kernels they want to use |
| 18:57.41 | Zoo | ah :- ) |
| 18:57.44 | gpm | Zoo: debian already offers those choices |
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| 18:57.47 | Zoo | whose working on that project |
| 18:57.53 | bohan | unlink: ha, indeed.. "250-STARTTLS". strange |
| 18:57.55 | assasukasse | does anyone know how to clear fail2ban banned ip? |
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| 18:58.01 | valdyn | !kfreebsd |
| 18:58.02 | gpm | Zoo: debian.org/portz |
| 18:58.04 | Eulex | Zoo, I'd suggest taking a look at http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/ |
| 18:58.07 | gpm | er, ports |
| 18:58.08 | Zoo | k |
| 18:58.19 | gpm | there's even a hurd port |
| 18:58.20 | wols_ | Zoo: http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
| 18:58.21 | Zoo | yeah, I messed with FreeBSD before, and some other variants |
| 18:58.24 | draeath | anyone know how to get gnome-baker to let me overburn? It handily tells me that I am overburning and then greys out the 'burn' button. |
| 18:58.27 | coder | valdyn look, http://rafb.net/p/KcquWe88.html |
| 18:58.33 | Zoo | I'm a gnome / xfce, and fluxbox guy though :- ) |
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| 18:58.49 | valdyn | coder: you forgot to use brain |
| 18:58.59 | valdyn | coder: in your case its --force-overwrite, not --force-confmiss |
| 18:59.05 | gpm | coder: try downgrading mktemp first?! |
| 18:59.09 | coder | wait |
| 18:59.10 | coder | got it |
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| 18:59.11 | coder | yep |
| 18:59.13 | Zoo | interesting |
| 18:59.20 | coder | sorry, I did it just after pasting |
| 18:59.37 | Zoo | thanks gpm, Eulex, wols , etc |
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| 19:00.07 | valdyn | i wonder though why anyone would want to use the freebsd kernel over linux |
| 19:00.38 | infernal_jesus | valdyn: because it's better? :P |
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| 19:00.58 | inv | re |
| 19:00.58 | valdyn | !better |
| 19:00.59 | dpkg | from memory, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 19:01.11 | Zoo | lots of reasons |
| 19:01.13 | inv | ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0xD007 |
| 19:01.16 | Zoo | smile |
| 19:01.26 | inv | is it eoor message or not ? |
| 19:01.29 | inv | or |
| 19:01.43 | inv | can't mount /dev/hda1 on /mnt |
| 19:01.46 | inv | on /root |
| 19:02.30 | gpm | valdyn is right, freebsd is better in some cases, while linux is better in others |
| 19:02.37 | inv | but there're /dev/hda1 |
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| 19:02.48 | staniel | h3sp4wn: you mentioned changing the nvidia modul license to GPL??? |
| 19:02.49 | dm | i just installed camstream-doc how do i read it? |
| 19:02.59 | valdyn | gpm: i would really like to know where freebsd is 'better', except for the obvious zfs issue, i guess |
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| 19:03.28 | valdyn | gpm: the kernel, not the freebsd distro - that has obvious differences and advantages |
| 19:03.49 | Zoo | agree with that, however, being able to use the systems.. both if you will at once |
| 19:03.55 | gpm | valdyn: dunno anything about the kernel. isn't it's tcp/ip stack pretty stellar though? |
| 19:04.01 | gpm | s/it's/its |
| 19:04.30 | Zoo | the bsd system is very secure though compared to linux distributions.. and the kernel |
| 19:04.39 | h3sp4wn | staniel: Have a look in the nvidia kernel module source |
| 19:04.40 | Zoo | now thats just my opinion and from what I was testing, etc before |
| 19:04.40 | valdyn | umm |
| 19:04.54 | Zoo | now the firmware support, acpi, and all that, thats a fustrating wanka |
| 19:04.55 | blubberdiblub | dm: use your favourite web browser and point it to /usr/share/doc/camstream-doc/index.html |
| 19:04.58 | valdyn | Zoo: you forsake all but the kernel if you use something like debian/kfreebsd |
| 19:05.18 | dm | thanks |
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| 19:05.50 | nofxx | please help... cant find anything on the net.. about how to set firehol for squid and dansguardian..... all my config is here .. . http://wiki.nofxx.com/code:unix:gateway |
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| 19:06.24 | gpm | valdyn: if you really want to know why a freebsd kernel would be better, ask the debian people who ported it |
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| 19:06.31 | h3sp4wn | bsd has preempt by default (and it was done not as an afterthought) |
| 19:06.44 | h3sp4wn | pf is a more capable firewall |
| 19:06.50 | valdyn | gpm: that's a good idea i guess, this bsd faq im reading has no serious points... |
| 19:06.53 | Zoo | theres so much I want to talk about, but would rather develop it , then for people could see how I have a view for systems like the bsd's and debian , and gentoo and perhaps others to work together parallel, simultaneously like |
| 19:07.04 | valdyn | The BSD license may be more attractive than the GPL. - well , duh |
| 19:07.20 | gpm | may be? |
| 19:07.27 | gpm | it is way more attractive unless you're rms |
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| 19:08.01 | valdyn | gpm: only for users, not for contributors |
| 19:08.01 | ma3x | why camstream won't detect my camera? dvgrab does |
| 19:08.20 | gpm | camstream is not configured correctly |
| 19:08.39 | gpm | valdyn: true. users ftw! |
| 19:09.06 | valdyn | gpm: that license thing is their most valid point - on a bsd faq... |
| 19:09.22 | gpm | meh, nobody's forcing you to use it |
| 19:09.47 | valdyn | gpm: just trying to see if im ignorant or if bsd users are ;) |
| 19:09.49 | gpm | and i'm sure the faq is not comprehensive, btw |
| 19:10.05 | gpm | well, i think the debian port is a pretty small group of people |
| 19:10.12 | gpm | most bsd users use the whole shebang |
| 19:10.28 | gpm | and they like the os as a whole |
| 19:10.38 | h3sp4wn | Its definately more consistant |
| 19:10.43 | valdyn | gpm: yea, i should have said 'the debian/kbsd' people |
| 19:10.52 | valdyn | gpm: the bsd distros have their obvious points.. |
| 19:10.55 | gpm | some people just have lots of free time |
| 19:11.09 | gpm | we spend it on irc |
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| 19:11.14 | gpm | they spend it porting bsd |
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| 19:12.38 | gpm | time for a smoke |
| 19:12.55 | blubberdiblub | gpm: good idea ;) |
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| 19:13.36 | bkw | Is it possible to have a snmptrapd which can send email in case of incoming traps? |
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| 19:15.47 | draeath | genisoimage: Value too large for defined data type. File AVI062007/DISC.TC is too large - ignoring |
| 19:15.50 | draeath | when using growisofs |
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| 19:15.55 | draeath | the file is just over 4gb |
| 19:15.59 | draeath | any way around? |
| 19:16.06 | valdyn | draeath: no |
| 19:16.16 | Cremepuff222 | Why are there so many people at this channel? |
| 19:16.19 | draeath | 640k ought to be enoug for anyone! |
| 19:16.21 | valdyn | draeath: you could split that file |
| 19:16.24 | draeath | i cannot |
| 19:16.30 | valdyn | draeath: why cannot? |
| 19:16.30 | draeath | it needs to be readable direct from disk |
| 19:16.41 | draeath | its a TrueCrypt volumn |
| 19:16.45 | ko_aftd_er | Ron Paul uses debian on a macintosh |
| 19:16.49 | valdyn | draeath: duh |
| 19:16.57 | blubberdiblub | draeath: if you burn onto a dvd, why not use udf? |
| 19:17.03 | draeath | i am... |
| 19:17.05 | valdyn | draeath: why the hell do you need a filesystem then to store a volume? |
| 19:17.05 | draeath | supposedly |
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| 19:17.18 | valdyn | draeath: is that large file the only file you are going to burn on that dvd? |
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| 19:17.22 | draeath | http://google.com/search?q=truecrypt |
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| 19:17.41 | draeath | valdyn, there will be 4 other < 1mb files |
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| 19:17.59 | valdyn | draeath: imperative that those files are on that disk? |
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| 19:18.15 | draeath | yep. I can remaster that file but it will be a complete pain in the X |
| 19:18.38 | valdyn | draeath: which operating systems need to be able to read from that dvd? |
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| 19:18.48 | draeath | windows xp, sp2 |
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| 19:19.01 | valdyn | draeath: ok, there's no solution that does this all |
| 19:19.06 | draeath | damn |
| 19:19.15 | draeath | im wondering why this problem exists... |
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| 19:19.45 | gpm | fs needs some room |
| 19:20.05 | draeath | on > 5gb media? eek |
| 19:20.06 | valdyn | draeath: uh, wait |
| 19:20.20 | valdyn | draeath: use -udf |
| 19:20.23 | draeath | i did |
| 19:20.24 | draeath | no effect |
| 19:20.47 | gpm | you said it was a 4.2gb dvd |
| 19:20.53 | draeath | growisofs -overburn -speed=4 -Z /dev/hdc -R -J -allow-lowercase -allow-multidot -ldots -d -f -iso-level 3 -joliet-long -l -max-iso9660-filenames -r -relaxed-filenames -U -V AVI062007 -udf /windows/Documents\ and\ Settings/draeath/Desktop/AVI062007/ |
| 19:21.19 | draeath | its not the total capacity thats the issue |
| 19:21.25 | draeath | its the specific file is 'too large' |
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| 19:21.36 | draeath | technically I have 1mb free writable space |
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| 19:21.46 | valdyn | draeath: right, growisofs doesnt support this, i have know idea if udf could |
| 19:21.58 | gpm | know? |
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| 19:22.03 | valdyn | ops, no |
| 19:22.06 | draeath | hmm, all indications told me that it was mkisofs that had the problem, and growisofs was the solution |
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| 19:22.23 | gpm | mkisofs makes images |
| 19:22.25 | valdyn | draeath: nah, iso9660 does not support large files |
| 19:22.31 | unlink | how can i test if my server accepts unencrypted logins without sending my password in plaintext over the network? |
| 19:22.51 | draeath | hmm, guess i'll need to trim up that TC volumn. i think i can cram it down to 3.9 |
| 19:22.53 | valdyn | draeath: that's not mkisofs fault |
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| 19:23.18 | blubberdiblub | unlink: create a throwaway user and set a password for that :) |
| 19:23.19 | gpm | unlink: if you're enabling unencrypted logins, why do you care? |
| 19:23.19 | draeath | thanks though! |
| 19:23.25 | valdyn | draeath: beside that, growisofs is just mkisofs + dvd burner, not different software alltogether |
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| 19:23.34 | unlink | gpm: i want to make sure that it does *not* work |
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| 19:23.51 | draeath | valdyn, hm, i was reading through newsgroup archive. i guess it was bad info |
| 19:23.59 | draeath | happens |
| 19:24.02 | gpm | unlink: what blubberdiblub said |
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| 19:24.19 | draeath | well i have to scitter off |
| 19:24.25 | draeath | thanks again valdyn |
| 19:24.32 | gpm | for nothing!! |
| 19:24.40 | draeath | :P |
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| 19:24.54 | Tranquilo32 | www.misecretito.com.ar |
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| 19:25.08 | gpm | spam? |
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| 19:26.22 | staniel | gpm: those prepatched nvidia packaged worked perfectly |
| 19:26.24 | ma3x | checking if Qt is multi-threaded... no |
| 19:26.24 | ma3x | Qt is not multithreaded (or its name is wrong). You MUST have a multithreaded version of the Qt library installed or CamStream will simply not compile. |
| 19:26.30 | ma3x | what should i install |
| 19:26.54 | valdyn | !info camstream sid |
| 19:27.00 | valdyn | ma3x: on which debian release? |
| 19:27.01 | dpkg | camstream: (Collection of tools for webcams and other video-devices), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.26.3+dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 178 kB, Installed size: 528 kB |
| 19:27.21 | gpm | staniel: hooray |
| 19:27.26 | ma3x | valdyn, etch |
| 19:27.34 | valdyn | !info camstream etch |
| 19:27.38 | ma3x | valdyn, i want to compile 0.27 |
| 19:27.49 | dpkg | camstream: (Collection of tools for webcams and other video-devices), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.26.3+dfsg-2 (etch), Packaged size: 178 kB, Installed size: 528 kB |
| 19:27.59 | valdyn | ma3x: apt-get build-dep camstream |
| 19:28.03 | ma3x | valdyn, because 0.26 wont detect my camera |
| 19:28.05 | ma3x | Detected 0 Video4Linux devices. |
| 19:28.06 | gpm | valdyn: beat me to it :( |
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| 19:28.12 | ma3x | and /dev/video1394 exists |
| 19:28.25 | ma3x | i mean /dev/raw1394 exists |
| 19:28.27 | valdyn | ma3x: i wonder why that should have _Anything_ to do with camstream |
| 19:28.30 | ma3x | should i create symlink? |
| 19:28.35 | ma3x | valdyn, what? |
| 19:28.56 | ma3x | valdyn, caminfo is part of camstream |
| 19:28.59 | ma3x | its supposed to detect the camera |
| 19:29.29 | Zoo | hey gpm |
| 19:29.59 | Zoo | are you familar with tao-openl , or how to configure it perhaps, I want to configure it, because this plugin for banshee, fleow, it needs tao-opengl 1.3 or higher I guess |
| 19:30.06 | Zoo | tao-opengl* |
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| 19:30.15 | Zoo | its a framework |
| 19:30.17 | ma3x | E: Build-dependencies for camstream could not be satisfied. |
| 19:30.38 | gpm | Zoo: no, sorry. |
| 19:30.49 | wols_ | ma3x: since it's an IP camera: ave you installed te dhcp server, etc? |
| 19:31.07 | ma3x | wols_, this one right now is a camcorder |
| 19:31.10 | ma3x | via firewire |
| 19:31.11 | Zoo | ah okay, I just need to really teach myself alot more with compiling.. learning the linux kernel, how to rebuild 1, customize 1, learn to rewrite a system etc |
| 19:31.21 | wols_ | ma3x: any oou have TV in? |
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| 19:31.26 | euthyrox_lover | Hello ^^ |
| 19:31.29 | Zoo | and alot more, like editing commenting out.. the modules I don't want to have probed for, like in modprobe etc |
| 19:31.32 | wols_ | how do you connect this camcorder? |
| 19:31.37 | ma3x | via firewire |
| 19:31.42 | valdyn | ma3x: you dont seem to have a v4l driver for your cam |
| 19:31.45 | Zoo | I think its the modprobe.d and something with blacklist etc |
| 19:31.50 | ma3x | it needs one? |
| 19:31.53 | valdyn | ma3x: hence camstream cant 'detect' it |
| 19:31.54 | gpm | no, the camera works with dvgrab though |
| 19:31.56 | ma3x | how can I install? |
| 19:32.02 | ma3x | yes it works with dvgrab |
| 19:32.05 | gpm | so the kernel end is ok |
| 19:32.08 | gpm | right? |
| 19:32.13 | ma3x | im trying to detect it with caminfo |
| 19:32.24 | euthyrox_lover | Today I have tried to install conky, unfortunatly I dont know how to make icon appear after launch ;/ |
| 19:32.43 | wols_ | !tell euthyrox_lover about xsession |
| 19:33.13 | Zoo | be back in few |
| 19:33.16 | gpm | ma3x: what happens when you try to detect? any messages? |
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| 19:33.35 | valdyn | dvgrab does something entirely different, it does not use v4l |
| 19:33.37 | ma3x | gpm, Detected 0 Video4Linux devices. |
| 19:33.54 | gpm | ooooh |
| 19:34.00 | gpm | yeah, you do need a v4l driver |
| 19:34.13 | ma3x | where do i get it / how do i install it |
| 19:34.16 | valdyn | i think you shouldnt use camstream for this |
| 19:34.28 | gpm | yeah, why not just use dvgrab? it works |
| 19:34.38 | euthyrox_lover | wols_, I cant see anything that could help me to get icons appears when I launch conky under my gnome |
| 19:35.54 | euthyrox_lover | wols_, the funny thing is that, when I remove conky my x just drop dead :))) |
| 19:36.40 | wols_ | ah, you mean cyou can to config conky itself. check /usr/share/doc/conky |
| 19:37.00 | ma3x | well for this camcorder it's not so important, but soon im gonna get ip cam and i'm wondering if there is any decent software to record to hard disk? |
| 19:37.26 | euthyrox_lover | wols_, no no, conky just make icons dissapear, and It says it should be that way :) |
| 19:37.47 | euthyrox_lover | wols_, I dont know why, it just says on my debian.linux.pl forum |
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| 19:39.14 | wols_ | euthyrox_lover: ah. that's cause conky needs the same space as the deskopt icons basically |
| 19:39.21 | wols_ | it diisplays on the deesktop |
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| 19:41.35 | euthyrox_lover | wols_, that makes sens, but... hm. I dont have any idea if I can make icons appear. The next funny thing is that on polish debian forum, they says "you dont need icons" :)))) |
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| 19:43.38 | karleeto | OK.. X is really starting to upset me |
| 19:43.52 | wols_ | euthyrox_lover: they are right. icons are useless |
| 19:43.55 | karleeto | I have a rage 128 mobility, and for some reason its acting REALLY strange when X loads |
| 19:43.56 | edistar | hey, is it easy to set up a dns server and how much hdd space would I need? |
| 19:44.17 | flami | dns ? |
| 19:44.21 | flami | get bind 9 |
| 19:44.25 | flami | doesnt need much space |
| 19:44.26 | edistar | yes, dns |
| 19:44.32 | edistar | ok, thanks |
| 19:44.37 | edistar | 5 gb enough? |
| 19:44.38 | flami | you gotta learn how to write zone files |
| 19:44.40 | karleeto | its supposed to start in 1400x1050, and it looks like it only goes into 640x480, and its ALL distorted, and sometimes wont let me switch back to the console, and appears to be eating my lcd screen |
| 19:44.41 | edistar | ;) |
| 19:44.43 | flami | yeah :P |
| 19:44.49 | euthyrox_lover | wols_, well, Im using few programs under wine, and I can move much faster to use them |
| 19:44.53 | karleeto | i've had this laptop running X on gentoo many times |
| 19:44.56 | flami | i think bind is like 10 :P |
| 19:45.09 | karleeto | first off, how can i get xorgconfig on debian? |
| 19:45.09 | flami | terabyte ;) |
| 19:45.19 | valdyn | !drxx karleeto |
| 19:45.19 | dpkg | karleeto: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 19:45.52 | karleeto | valdyn: thats just going to run the auto config again isn't it? |
| 19:46.08 | valdyn | karleeto: what's 'auto' about it? |
| 19:46.15 | frog | hi, i can't get my sound working. im using etch, 2.6.18-4-686, alsa as sound drivers. i have installed alsa-oss. when i start mplayer it 'jumps', youtube video stops after 1 second. tried to modify /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc but neither ICEWEASEL_DSP="esddsp" (started esddsp before) nor aoss nor auto worked for me |
| 19:46.30 | flami | edistar, maybe look here it covers the isntall of bind 9 http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch |
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| 19:47.27 | gpm | frog: how about if you play a .wav or something with aplay? |
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| 19:47.51 | kpanic | hi, how do I get an old version of a testing debian package? |
| 19:48.01 | gpm | kpanic: snapshot.debian.net? |
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| 19:48.34 | edistar | flami: thanks |
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| 19:49.12 | kpanic | gpm, I can't figure out how to find a package with the package name search |
| 19:49.27 | gpm | if you can't figure that out, you're sol |
| 19:49.38 | kpanic | gpm, I search libasound2 but it finds nothing |
| 19:50.14 | gpm | kpanic: try package name pattern (the upper form) |
| 19:50.40 | gpm | then click the details for alsa-lib |
| 19:50.42 | blubberdiblub | valdyn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (with debconf not on low priority) with discover installed might not offer certain choices ... i'm just guessing tho, since i don't have discover and have configured my debconf to also show the low-priority questions |
| 19:50.45 | gpm | and go back in time |
| 19:51.14 | gpm | (click an older date) |
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| 19:51.28 | kpanic | gpm, I tried .*libasound2.* and *libasound2* with no success |
| 19:51.31 | ustunozgur | frog: try moving your ~/.asoundrc . |
| 19:51.35 | ustunozgur | or removing it. |
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| 19:52.00 | frog | gpm: whoa, i tried tp play mp3 with aplay... i got the message aplay: pcm_write:1268: write error: Input/output error, but suddenly the videos from youtube started to work |
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| 19:52.18 | valdyn | blubberdiblub: iirc it does offer all if you run the command explicitely |
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| 19:52.29 | ustunozgur | frog: do you have multiple sound cards? |
| 19:52.40 | frog | ustunozgur: no, only one |
| 19:52.45 | kpanic | ok, it was the source package name |
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| 19:52.56 | frog | ustunozgur: it just started to work |
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| 19:53.15 | frog | ustunozgur: btw: i hadn't have .asoundrc |
| 19:53.16 | edistar | how can I change my domainname? |
| 19:53.29 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 19:53.36 | frog | ustunozgur: glasserc |
| 19:53.46 | ustunozgur | frog: ok, there was a bug in asoundconf yesterday; I thought that was the cause. |
| 19:54.01 | abrotman | !domainname |
| 19:54.03 | abrotman | !domain name |
| 19:54.03 | dpkg | Edit /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf to set your DNS domain name. Edit /etc/defaultdomain to set your NIS domain name (and see "man domainname" and /usr/share/doc/nis/nis.debian.howto.gz). |
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| 19:54.19 | edistar | how do I change my domain name then? |
| 19:54.23 | frog | ustunozgur: ok , thx :) |
| 19:54.27 | edistar | thanks |
| 19:54.29 | ustunozgur | np. |
| 19:54.49 | unlink | okay, i have successfully configured an open relay. |
| 19:55.00 | valdyn | hah |
| 19:55.16 | unlink | how did i do it? i uncommented the courier auth section in the config |
| 19:55.16 | edistar | what is an NIS domain name? |
| 19:55.18 | abrotman | unlink: This is bad. |
| 19:55.22 | abrotman | edistar: ignore that part |
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| 19:55.33 | DerbyD | hi |
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| 19:55.50 | DerbyD | I just got following error in my debian box "Interrupt posted but not delivered" |
| 19:55.58 | kpanic | anyone has experienced problems of sample rate settings with the alsa jack plugin? (alsa ver 1.0.14) |
| 19:55.59 | valdyn | unlink: what's the point? its not supposed to be hard to do, its not supposed to be done though |
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| 19:56.08 | DerbyD | any idea some log to get the exact error? |
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| 19:56.28 | DerbyD | that error was with "eth" interface |
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| 19:56.37 | h3sp4wn | kpanic: did you disable dmix ? |
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| 19:56.54 | valdyn | !tell kpanic -about ask |
| 19:56.56 | valdyn | !tell kpanic -about anyone |
| 19:57.45 | unlink | valdyn: i have a near-default config, all i've changed from the debconf options is uncommenting an auth driver and enabled TLS |
| 19:57.50 | blubberdiblub | abrotman: hmm, i'm using /etc/sysctl.conf to set kernel.domainname ... i suppose that's not a good way then? |
| 19:58.09 | edistar | why do I need to change /etc/resolv.conf to change my domain name? |
| 19:58.18 | dondelelcaro | edistar: you don't. |
| 19:58.20 | valdyn | edistar: who the hell said that? |
| 19:58.27 | centrx | IT'S A LIE! |
| 19:58.29 | edistar | dpkg... |
| 19:58.33 | valdyn | edistar: it did not |
| 19:58.36 | valdyn | !domainname |
| 19:58.38 | kpanic | h3sp4wn, how to disable dmix? |
| 19:58.45 | edistar | !domain name |
| 19:58.45 | dpkg | Edit /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf to set your DNS domain name. Edit /etc/defaultdomain to set your NIS domain name (and see "man domainname" and /usr/share/doc/nis/nis.debian.howto.gz). |
| 19:58.53 | edistar | Edit /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf to set your DNS domain name. |
| 19:58.56 | kpanic | valdyn, eheh ok |
| 19:58.59 | valdyn | edistar: oh sorry, it did, that's fucked up |
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| 19:59.12 | edistar | do I need to? |
| 19:59.19 | h3sp4wn | kpanic: read the proper alsa documentation and setup an asoundrc (otherwise dmix does some nasty resampling) |
| 19:59.25 | unlink | abrotman: oh, it's not actually an open relay |
| 19:59.33 | unlink | abrotman: but it does deliver mail locally without authentication |
| 19:59.37 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, domain name is <reply> hostname |
| 19:59.37 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 19:59.44 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, domain name is <reply> see hostname |
| 19:59.44 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 19:59.47 | valdyn | dpkg: domain name =~ s#and /etc/resolv.conf## |
| 19:59.47 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'and /etc/resolv.conf', valdyn |
| 19:59.55 | valdyn | ooo |
| 20:00.25 | unlink | i guess that could be considered a feature |
| 20:00.33 | rati | any bady know about openswan |
| 20:00.38 | rati | plz help me |
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| 20:01.14 | valdyn | !tell rati -about ask |
| 20:01.18 | valdyn | !tell rati -about anyone |
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| 20:01.55 | frog | ustunozgur:it stopped to work again. what was the probelm with alsaconf? only the .asoundrc? |
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| 20:02.06 | valdyn | kpanic: dmix is not on by default, you would know how to disable it if you had enabled it |
| 20:02.16 | blubberdiblub | edistar: well, i use a line of "kernel.domainname = olympus" in my /etc/sysctl.conf file, to make the kernel aware that i call my domain .olympus. but i don't know if that's a good way (it works, tho) |
| 20:02.20 | DerbyD | hi, i have one question |
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| 20:02.50 | shut- | how can i have a program on debian that runs windows |
| 20:02.51 | DerbyD | who have got this error: "eth2: Interrupt posted but not delivered -- IRQ blocked by another device?" |
| 20:02.52 | ustunozgur | frog: it fails to synch with .asoundrc as far as I know; but you say you don't have an .asoundrc; so... |
| 20:03.35 | kpanic | valdyn, I have not enabled, let me paste my asoundrc... http://rafb.net/p/MtkLm517.html |
| 20:03.44 | ustunozgur | try this: playing an mp3 with mpg123 and then with mpg321. |
| 20:04.00 | DerbyD | how can i check which device is in conflict |
| 20:04.08 | valdyn | kpanic: im still clueless as to what you issue really is, you didnt specify much |
| 20:04.14 | ustunozgur | frog: yesterday, before I applied the patch, mpg321 was working; mpg123 wasn't. |
| 20:04.16 | valdyn | kpanic: and dpkg told you how to properly ask iirc |
| 20:04.35 | frog | ustunozgur: ok , let me see |
| 20:04.59 | rati | tell DerbyD |
| 20:04.59 | h3sp4wn | valdyn: dmix is on by default (unless your card has mixing in hardware) - /usr/share/alsa/cards/ICE1724.conf for example |
| 20:05.00 | rati | i can help u |
| 20:06.23 | kpanic | valdyn, my problem is that after the latest upgrade my alsa 'traffic' is no more routed through the alsa's jack plugin. the only useful message (by aplay) is that sample rate is not supported. i.e. he tries to play audio at 8khz mono |
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| 20:07.09 | frog | ustunozgur: by me both dont work |
| 20:07.17 | ustunozgur | kpanic: it might also be due to the bug in asoundconf. |
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| 20:07.41 | TTimo | hey .. anyone know how to get icedove to open urls in iceweasel? |
| 20:07.55 | h3sp4wn | kpanic: are you running the .14 version of alsa-base |
| 20:08.03 | TTimo | that stuff is always only half working. must depend on wind speeds. on this machine it doesn't |
| 20:08.13 | ustunozgur | kpanic: try this: http://trilug.org |
| 20:08.35 | ustunozgur | http://trilug.org/~crimsun/asoundconf |
| 20:08.57 | kpanic | ustunozgur, nope, alsa base in testing is 1.0.13-5 |
| 20:09.03 | kpanic | ustunozgur, it could be the problem? |
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| 20:09.37 | ustunozgur | kpanic: could be. try that; just don't overwrite your original asounconf. |
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| 20:10.20 | h3sp4wn | kpanic: are you using asoundconf |
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| 20:11.00 | kpanic | h3sp4wn, I just discovered from you this evening :) |
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| 20:11.38 | h3sp4wn | kpanic: It won't be that unless you have specifically used it |
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| 20:11.42 | Andreasdoros | hi |
| 20:11.49 | kpanic | ustunozgur, there's a difference, your asoundconf, lists correctly soundcards instead the old asoundconf prints nothing |
| 20:12.01 | Andreasdoros | hey, why http/ftp seems to work just fine even though I have added all:all to hosts.deny? |
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| 20:12.04 | h3sp4wn | (annoying if you ask me - only reason I have to keep python installed) |
| 20:12.05 | Andreasdoros | ssh doesn't work |
| 20:12.35 | ustunozgur | kpanic: yeah, that's not mine though, that's the ui maintainer's one. I got it from him yesterday since my soundcards stopped working. |
| 20:12.52 | ustunozgur | he said there was a parsing error in the old asoundconf. |
| 20:13.01 | rati | hi |
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| 20:13.08 | Andreasdoros | shouldn't the addition all:all to hosts.deny deny all connections to the server, http, ftp, ssh etc? |
| 20:13.10 | h3sp4wn | Doesn't change the fact its not used by default on Debian (not ubuntu) |
| 20:13.53 | stew | Andreasdoros: no, only those services that use tcpwrappers. apache, for instance, has its own mechanisms |
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| 20:14.32 | stew | Andreasdoros: you can probably switch your ftp to be run by inetd, but probably not apache |
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| 20:15.04 | Andreasdoros | is there a way to ban all only from ssh? |
| 20:15.09 | Andreasdoros | like sshd:all? |
| 20:15.11 | Andreasdoros | etc |
| 20:15.26 | Eulex | don't install a sshd? |
| 20:15.40 | Andreasdoros | well I will add my own ip to hosts.allow |
| 20:15.46 | kpanic | ustunozgur, do you know what param governs the sample rate? |
| 20:15.50 | Eulex | oh |
| 20:15.56 | Andreasdoros | I'm getting brute attacks |
| 20:16.00 | feathers | Would it be very difficult to set up a secure ftp server on Debian? I'd like to start with just a base system if at all possible. |
| 20:16.22 | ustunozgur | kpanic: nope. |
| 20:16.31 | stew | Andreasdoros: consider using fail2ban |
| 20:16.33 | Grim76 | Andreasdoros: What FTP server are you using? |
| 20:16.40 | Andreasdoros | proftpd |
| 20:16.46 | kpanic | at least I have something to work on :) |
| 20:16.58 | Andreasdoros | but the only thing is that I want to block the ssh connection from everyone else |
| 20:17.04 | Andreasdoros | everything else can work normally |
| 20:17.19 | Andreasdoros | stew: is that good? |
| 20:17.50 | stew | Andreasdoros: is what good? |
| 20:18.07 | stew | Andreasdoros: you can also use iptables to tell your kernel to only allow port 22 from your ip if you want |
| 20:18.20 | Grim76 | there is a module that will support using hosts.allow and hosts.deny http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/modules/mod_wrap_file.html |
| 20:18.21 | stew | Andreasdoros: and you can limit which users are allowed to ssh: man sshd_config |
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| 20:20.20 | rati | hi grim76 |
| 20:20.30 | rati | plz help me |
| 20:20.39 | rati | i am from india |
| 20:20.48 | stew | rati: if you have a quesiton, just ask it |
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| 20:20.58 | rati | ok |
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| 20:22.43 | abrotman | that totally worked :) |
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| 20:23.25 | stew | rati: please ask your questions in the channel |
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| 20:24.16 | assasukasse | abrotman: sorry if i bother you, do u have familiarity with bash scripts? |
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| 20:25.41 | dkr | assasukasse: just ask your question, there are 800 people here |
| 20:25.50 | dkr | sort of |
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| 20:26.37 | feathers | dkr quit feeding false information. There are only 799 people present at the moment =) |
| 20:26.58 | bonez44 | anyone know of a Pluto Home Automation channel? |
| 20:27.13 | Andreasdoros | there were 798 when dkr wrote the message |
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| 20:27.23 | abrotman | assasukasse: just ask |
| 20:27.39 | assasukasse | ok please give a look to this http://paste.debian.net/31004 |
| 20:27.48 | Ronin | bonez44: what the heck is pluto home automation to begin with |
| 20:27.51 | assasukasse | i am running this small script as a crond for my user |
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| 20:28.02 | abrotman | and ? |
| 20:28.08 | abrotman | (also remember there's a #bash) |
| 20:28.17 | cydork | Ronin: its based on debian :) |
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| 20:28.31 | assasukasse | well, should respawn my ssh tunnel when is dead..but seems not working, or at least not respawning correctly |
| 20:28.45 | blubberdiblub | assasukasse: looks like there's a " missing on the first line, at first glance |
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| 20:29.07 | assasukasse | blubberdiblub: yes but is a typo :D there is in the original file |
| 20:29.27 | bonez44 | Ronin, it looks cool plutohome.com using linuxboxen to control home entertainment, security, VOIP, everything remotely controlled from a cell phone.. |
| 20:29.56 | assasukasse | should i try on #bash also? i feel is still unsure if is bash or ssh prob |
| 20:30.01 | bonez44 | I just bumped into in an article in networkworld, or something similar..now i am looking for a channel devoted to it |
| 20:30.13 | Ronin | bonez44: and theres nothing on that url about irc etc? |
| 20:30.24 | bonez44 | nozy, they don't list an irc channel |
| 20:30.39 | cydork | bonez44: pay them for support :) |
| 20:30.44 | abrotman | assasukasse: is that extra " there for a reason ? |
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| 20:32.03 | assasukasse | abrotman: this is the corrected one http://paste.debian.net/31007 |
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| 20:32.29 | blubberdiblub | assasukasse: and you can leave out the "else" keyword when there is nothing in the else-branch |
| 20:32.59 | assasukasse | blubberdiblub: actually there is an echo "tunnel up" but i think is not needed in the pastebin :D |
| 20:33.04 | abrotman | assasukasse: uhm .. are you sure it actually doesn't find it? |
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| 20:33.32 | assasukasse | abrotman: what happened is this: seems this tunnel is very unstable..yesterday i was getting crazy, then it worked out of nothing.. |
| 20:33.45 | assasukasse | worked until this afternoon, then down again.. |
| 20:33.56 | abrotman | assasukasse: okay .. make it echo if it's up or down etc .. and check it again .. |
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| 20:34.03 | bonez44 | cydork, I ain't going to roll over like that..I just was hoping to find an online resource...irc forum..no worry though |
| 20:34.07 | assasukasse | seems either the "respawn" session doesn't respawn at all.. |
| 20:34.08 | skyde | how can i put 2 command on one line |
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| 20:34.36 | assasukasse | abrotman: said up, before i left university..i went back and connected, was trying to log with vnc then it hang, and from then is locked. |
| 20:34.44 | abrotman | skyde: cmd1 && cmd2 or cmd1 ; cmd2 |
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| 20:34.59 | blubberdiblub | assasukasse: if i'm not mistaken, there is a command that simplifies your task tremendously. it starts a program, and then watches it, and if it dies, it restarts it. just can't remember the name of that tool :/ |
| 20:35.03 | abrotman | assasukasse: so the script worked fine before ? |
| 20:35.32 | assasukasse | abrotman: the script worked, in just one day i can't say it worked fine, it was always very unstable.. |
| 20:35.47 | abrotman | the script or the connection ? |
| 20:35.49 | assasukasse | seems the tunnel doesn't stay up, and the server doesn't get the tunnel is down.. |
| 20:35.53 | assasukasse | abrotman: connection |
| 20:35.58 | assasukasse | the script works |
| 20:36.18 | skyde | tanks |
| 20:36.34 | abrotman | assasukasse: it could be unstable for about a zillion reasons |
| 20:36.46 | assasukasse | this ps -eo args should list the command, and if dead respawn it, but seems either doesn't respawn, or ssh tunnel doesn't die when lost connection.. |
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| 20:37.04 | abrotman | it might very well not die |
| 20:37.12 | skyde | humm not working |
| 20:37.15 | abrotman | you could of course log the script |
| 20:37.20 | assasukasse | abrotman: that's what i was suspecting |
| 20:37.20 | abrotman | skyde: what are you actually trying to do ? |
| 20:37.42 | assasukasse | the ssh tunnel desynced and the process didn't die.. |
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| 20:38.31 | abrotman | assasukasse: you need more info .. like if it's actually dying or just getting hung |
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| 20:39.01 | blubberdiblub | assasukasse: and the autossh package would be of no help either? |
| 20:39.18 | assasukasse | abrotman: i was thinking about modifiying the script as follow: ssh -nNT -v -R blablabla >> logfile.log |
| 20:39.40 | karsten | assasukasse: Still trying to port-forward? |
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| 20:39.48 | assasukasse | but then i would incur into the problem that $COMMAND would be totally screwed up |
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| 20:40.02 | karsten | assasukasse: redirect stderr, I think, with '-v', or at least check that. |
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| 20:40.20 | assasukasse | hi karsten yes, this morning we put the cluster offline for security reason, now it lays on a "cluster only" network.. |
| 20:41.03 | assasukasse | the script and ssh worked great until this afternoon, then i tried to use vnc, and afer a few second the tunnel desynced and from then is unusable.. |
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| 20:42.54 | assasukasse | i think i should use ssh-X instead and leave vnc out of business |
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| 20:43.46 | Bracki | Should i put stuff into /etc/cron.daily or rather use root's crontab? |
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| 20:44.37 | karsten | Bracki: I'd put it into /etc/cron.daily |
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| 20:44.55 | karsten | Bracki: My convention: local_<cronfile-name> |
| 20:45.00 | Bracki | OK, cos man cron discouraged that somehow. |
| 20:45.48 | Bracki | If I used crontab where would i put the script? /usr/Local/bin? |
| 20:45.54 | assasukasse | abrotman: but i wonder if gnome-schedule screwed up something...maybe i should let the tunnel to be executed as root..since is redirecting 22 port? |
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| 20:46.39 | abrotman | assasukasse: but it used to work ? |
| 20:46.46 | assasukasse | yesterday it did |
| 20:46.47 | Bracki | karsten: but the local prefix seems like a good idea.. |
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| 20:47.15 | assasukasse | abrotman: however i executed manually, and only later i put on schedule once an hour |
| 20:47.35 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
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| 20:51.49 | karsten | Bracki: It's a sort of unofficial standard I proposed quite some time ago for init.d/ scripts, I carry it over to cronjobs as well. |
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| 20:52.18 | xand | moo |
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| 20:53.37 | Artemis3 | with etch using adept-manager or update, sometimes a package like the kernel asks a question, this would normally appear in the terminal using apt-get or aptitude, but inside of kde only a part of the text appears, and its impossible to answer its question... help? |
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| 20:53.51 | karsten | xand: This channel does *not* have special cow powers. |
| 20:53.59 | xand | ;.; |
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| 20:54.21 | LLcoolM | does a pentium3 support high resolution timer? |
| 20:54.46 | zinx | it supports tsc |
| 20:54.47 | abrotman | karsten: it would .. if the damn bot wouldn't kick you! |
| 20:54.53 | zinx | everything this side of the 586 does, afaik |
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| 20:55.22 | LLcoolM | zinx: i am refering to the new kernel option: CONFIG_HIGH_RES_TIMERS |
| 20:55.30 | karlm | i just installed ndiswrapper, and ndiswrapper source, so i can get my wireless card working |
| 20:55.54 | karlm | now that i have ndiswrapper.tar.bz2 source file, how do i build the module? |
| 20:56.16 | zinx | LLcoolM: i dunno how those are implemented |
| 20:56.23 | karsten | abrotman: Better than being squirted with milk. |
| 20:56.27 | zinx | LLcoolM: but i'd be surprised if a p3 didn't support them |
| 20:57.03 | abrotman | karsten: i think it depends on who is squirting .. maybe .. i'm not sure .. but i'm pretty sure i never want to discuss this again |
| 20:57.05 | blubberdiblub | LLcoolM: there's nothing wrong in enabling that option. even if the CPU wouldn't support it, the kernel would detect that, and fall back to some other method |
| 20:57.13 | LLcoolM | blubberdiblub: i know |
| 20:57.16 | LLcoolM | just wondered |
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| 20:58.14 | blubberdiblub | LLcoolM: you could try to read up on the Kconfig* files, and see on what architecture that option depends. maybe that would give a hint |
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| 21:10.07 | blubberdiblub | GrahamA: you sure? how did you search for it? |
| 21:10.14 | GrahamA | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ndiswrapper&searchon=all&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
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| 21:11.21 | GrahamA | I'm fairly certain. |
| 21:11.38 | blubberdiblub | GrahamA: ah, you're right, they are neither in stable nor testing ... i got them in unstable |
| 21:11.38 | GrahamA | It's the same sort of packages Ubuntu has, but it works on Kubuntu |
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| 21:12.06 | GrahamA | Sooo... install the unstable packages... |
| 21:12.09 | GrahamA | Is that wise? |
| 21:12.13 | redduck666 | no. |
| 21:12.17 | blubberdiblub | GrahamA: no, there's another solution |
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| 21:12.44 | GrahamA | Enlighten me o mysterius one. |
| 21:12.51 | blubberdiblub | GrahamA: install the headers belonging to your kernel version, then install the ndiswrapper source package, and then use module-assistant to compile the module |
| 21:13.15 | pace17_ | hey im looking for a laptop and i was wondering if anyone knew the most linux compatible ones out there or maybe if anyones seen any good deals |
| 21:13.21 | GrahamA | Ok, but I've installed from the netinstall cd and I have barebone debian. |
| 21:13.25 | pace17_ | or what channel someone might go to to talk about that |
| 21:13.48 | GrahamA | pace17_: Dell shop Ubuntu on laptops now. |
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| 21:13.50 | sephi | Hi, I have a noob question : I want to launch a daemon as a specific user (not as root) but I can't figure how (I don't want to login with that user) |
| 21:14.01 | blubberdiblub | !tell GrahamA about ndiswrapper one-liner |
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| 21:14.26 | redduck666 | sephi: maybe: exec su -c ... |
| 21:14.55 | sephi | Yeah but su -c requires the user to have a valid shell path set, what if I don't want that ? |
| 21:14.58 | GrahamA | !ndiswrapper |
| 21:14.58 | dpkg | ndiswrapper is probably a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 21:15.22 | GrahamA | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 21:15.23 | dpkg | hmm... ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 21:15.42 | GrahamA | Ok but I'm gona have to install all that build essential stuff manually. |
| 21:15.42 | redduck666 | sephi: hmmmmm, write program in C that drops privileges :) |
| 21:16.21 | sephi | Haha, I've found a package that is called "daemon" and which, I think, could do that but I can't manage to get it working... |
| 21:16.22 | GrahamA | blubberdiblub: Thanks alot, I'll try it tomorrow because I'm too tired now. |
| 21:16.24 | blubberdiblub | GrahamA: hmm, netinstall and no connection to the net yet? that might be a problem. but you could download the packages via the debian page ... and transfer them somehow (but quite a tedious task) |
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| 21:16.42 | euthyrox_lover | I have Question: where can I find file.conf for my monitor refresh rate? |
| 21:16.47 | frank | sephi: mal nen blick auf start-stop-daemon geworfen? |
| 21:16.51 | GrahamA | blubberdiblub: I know, and I can't be arsed, so I'll do it tomorrow, thanks for the help |
| 21:16.56 | frank | ups |
| 21:17.00 | GrahamA | euthyrox_lover: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:17.08 | euthyrox_lover | GrahamA, what line ? |
| 21:17.09 | frank | sephi: did you take a look at start-stop-daemon? |
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| 21:17.29 | GrahamA | Lemme search. |
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| 21:18.05 | adlpaf | Hi! I have a Dell portatil and I cannot install Debian on it. The installer doesn't recognize the SATA Hard Disk, some body can help me??? |
| 21:18.14 | euthyrox_lover | GrahamA, realy, I cant find it ;> |
| 21:18.30 | sephi | frank: I didn't know that command, but it seems to be exactly what I'm looking for.. I'm trying it right now |
| 21:18.38 | GrahamA | euthyrox_lover: I'm unsure. |
| 21:18.55 | GrahamA | euthyrox_lover: xorg is really different for everyone. |
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| 21:19.02 | frank | sephi: you never really looked at a debian init-script? |
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| 21:19.11 | euthyrox_lover | GrahamA, so in my xorg.conf there isnt any refresh rate :) |
| 21:19.13 | blubberdiblub | euthyrox_lover: in the Section "Monitor", you can add a line saying "VertRefresh 60-75", where you specify min and max Hz |
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| 21:19.39 | euthyrox_lover | blubberdiblub, thanks |
| 21:19.44 | GrahamA | euthyrox_lover: Try this: xrandr -r <refresh rate here |
| 21:20.02 | GrahamA | # xrandr -r 60 for example |
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| 21:21.36 | Artemis3 | oi what is needed to make adept display the questions packages do? |
| 21:21.44 | sephi | frank: yes, and i saw a command called "daemon" but I don't understand how it works. But I never saw start-stop-daemon... |
| 21:21.46 | euthyrox_lover | one guy told me that there is a big diffrence betwen "tab button" and "space button" in xorg.conf <- true / false? |
| 21:22.05 | redduck666 | euthyrox_lover: false. |
| 21:22.12 | vin` | Artemis3: adept in debian? |
| 21:22.28 | Artemis3 | vin`, yes |
| 21:22.35 | euthyrox_lover | redduck666, thanks, I will kick his ass for lie ;) |
| 21:22.44 | sephi | What I want to do is execute the svnserve daemon as svn user, so I'm trying this : "start-stop-daemon -S -c svn -x svnserve" but it tells me "start-stop-daemon: stat svnserve: no such file or directory" :/ |
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| 21:23.03 | simonrvn | sephi: full path to the binary |
| 21:23.14 | simonrvn | sephi: unless you set the PATH up |
| 21:23.17 | Artemis3 | vin`, if you press "show details" it shows you like 5 lines of text and there is no way to answer the questions... |
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| 21:23.42 | qrck_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.44 | qrck_ | ups |
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| 21:23.55 | adlpaf | Hi! I have a Dell portatil and I cannot install Debian on it. The installer doesn't recognize the SATA Hard Disk, some body can help me??? |
| 21:24.14 | vin` | Artemis3: *shrug* never tried it. |
| 21:24.15 | zinx | adlpaf: what version of debian are you trying to install? |
| 21:24.20 | Artemis3 | adlpaf, it works fine in mine.. using etch |
| 21:24.38 | adlpaf | zinx: Lenny |
| 21:25.03 | zinx | adlpaf: it's possible your SATA controller isn't supported yet :x |
| 21:25.04 | Artemis3 | i wonder if there is a channel for adept... |
| 21:25.48 | adlpaf | zinx: may be, but Debian doesn't have Sid Installer CD's or DVD's, right??? |
| 21:26.20 | zinx | adlpaf: they're the same ones, afaik.. you just tell it unstable/sid instead of lenny :P |
| 21:26.21 | frank | sephi: i just use it with inetd: svn stream tcp nowait svn.svn /usr/bin/svnserve svnserve -i -r /home/svn |
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| 21:26.37 | blubberdiblub | Artemis3: maybe some people on #kde might know about it |
| 21:26.42 | Artemis3 | okies |
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| 21:26.55 | fribian | Hi all |
| 21:27.06 | sephi | simonrvn: frank: thanks I managed to get it working with start-stop-daemon, hurray :) |
| 21:27.09 | fribian | Can someone help me mounting a UDF DVD? |
| 21:27.17 | simonrvn | np sephi |
| 21:27.38 | adlpaf | zinx: Ok!!! But in Sid is the newer kernel, and maybe I could have support |
| 21:27.39 | fribian | I get "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda" error. And yes, /dev/hda is my DVD :) |
| 21:27.45 | sephi | good night and thank you again ^^ |
| 21:28.01 | h3sp4wn | adlpaf: If you wanted to install sid / i386 it would likely leave a mess |
| 21:28.12 | h3sp4wn | adlpaf: (aptitude not installable) - amd64 should be ok |
| 21:28.48 | zinx | adlpaf: there are nightlies of the debian installer |
| 21:28.55 | enouf_ | adlpaf: you'd need the businesscard or netboot for that -- but there's likely other ways around the issue - i know how, just not specific/exact commands |
| 21:28.58 | adlpaf | h3sp4wn: Ok!!! |
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| 21:29.10 | ghaleb | hi all, I want to play wma files using totem |
| 21:29.13 | zinx | adlpaf: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:29.22 | bohan | thanks unlink and gpm for helping me. bye |
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| 21:29.35 | adlpaf | enouf_: Ok!!! Thanks!!! |
| 21:29.42 | zinx | adlpaf: but note that anything you get from there is likely to be broken. be certain to read the known issues first, at the very least. |
| 21:29.48 | adlpaf | zinx: Ok!! I'm gonna check |
| 21:30.09 | Artemis3 | blubberdiblub, there is #debian-kde ^^! |
| 21:30.33 | blubberdiblub | Artemis3: ah, good to know :) |
| 21:30.40 | enouf_ | adlpaf: you should try to boot with a controller specific param, or switch to another console, and modprobe your controller module |
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| 21:31.26 | adlpaf | enouf_: I tried but it's not work |
| 21:31.32 | enouf_ | adlpaf: what's your controller/hardware? |
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| 21:31.47 | DrGrov | I have a serious problem... |
| 21:31.54 | enouf_ | adlpaf: and what exactly did you try? |
| 21:31.57 | adlpaf | enouf_: SATA HD Samsung |
| 21:31.59 | DrGrov | Why is my Ubuntu not working properly after doing a dist-upgrade? |
| 21:32.07 | euthyrox_lover | DrGrov nowadays doctors can heal you ;) |
| 21:32.17 | enouf_ | adlpaf: controller info, not HDD |
| 21:32.24 | enouf_ | adlpaf: what mother board chipset |
| 21:32.31 | DrGrov | I really need to get Ubuntu working |
| 21:32.34 | techbee1 | DRGRov:ask in ubuntu channel #ubuntu |
| 21:32.37 | enouf_ | !ubuntu |
| 21:32.37 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
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| 21:33.01 | DrGrov | Okay, I will go to #ubuntu then. Well, I thought you guys knew about these things as well |
| 21:33.04 | Laibsch | I am trying to put one of our dev group's servers back into order. It runs testing but had a brief, not so good encounter with unstable. A couple of packages (tex-stuff) won't configure properly. Anybody ever see something like http://rafb.net/p/6iOoQg63.html ? |
| 21:33.21 | adlpaf | enouf_: well, I don't know, but It has install Ubuntu and it works, but I don't like Ubuntu |
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| 21:33.51 | enouf_ | adlpaf: what are you talking about? |
| 21:34.11 | DrGrov | I wonder about pure Debian, is it worth to try? |
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| 21:34.32 | DrGrov | Isn't there a lot of useless packages available? |
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| 21:42.52 | shut- | anyone help me with java |
| 21:42.53 | shut- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.59 | shut- | i do that |
| 21:43.05 | shut- | then i get |
| 21:43.06 | shut- | debian:/usr/java# chmod a+x /home/eirc/Desktop/jre-6ul-linux-i586.bin |
| 21:43.07 | shut- | chmod: cannot access `/home/eirc/Desktop/jre-6ul-linux-i586.bin': No such file or directory |
| 21:43.11 | shut- | and thats where it is |
| 21:44.15 | ustunozgur | shut-: why don't you use the debian's sun java packages? |
| 21:44.48 | minerale | Hi, how can I increase the resolution of the command line ( ie not X server) -- or change the default font for that |
| 21:44.58 | shut- | i dunno |
| 21:44.59 | shut- | :p |
| 21:45.07 | ustunozgur | shut-: it might be a 64-bit related issue btw. |
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| 21:46.12 | blubberdiblub | minerale: depends on if you use framebuffer drivers or not. if not, try vga=ask as kernel parameter, then select one text mode, and next time replace ask with the number you picked |
| 21:46.15 | shut- | no |
| 21:46.22 | shut- | i got chmod done or w.e |
| 21:46.38 | shut- | debian:/usr/java# chmod a+x /home/eirc/Desktop/jre-6ul-linux-i586.bin |
| 21:46.43 | shut- | huh |
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| 21:47.09 | ustunozgur | minerale: for font, see dpkg-reconfigure console-setup select terminus font |
| 21:47.12 | shut- | debian:/usr/java# ./home/eirc/Desktop/jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin |
| 21:47.12 | shut- | bash: ./home/eirc/Desktop/jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin: No such file or directory |
| 21:47.16 | shut- | is that wrong |
| 21:47.17 | shut- | ? |
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| 21:47.59 | ustunozgur | shut-: do you have a 64-bit cpu? |
| 21:48.05 | shut- | no |
| 21:48.26 | shut- | dont think so |
| 21:48.27 | ustunozgur | or maybe the file is 64-bit? |
| 21:48.51 | blubberdiblub | shut-: in the second line, leave away the . at the front |
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| 21:49.40 | blubberdiblub | shut-: but you should really be installing the debian java runtime environment packages instead |
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| 21:49.55 | ustunozgur | agreed. |
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| 21:50.31 | debianer | My CPU is Merom Core 2 Duo, what tools are there under debian to monitor CPU temperature? |
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| 21:50.59 | euthyrox_lover | debianer conky |
| 21:51.16 | ustunozgur | shut-: and if you are not happy with Debian's official packages, you can make your own with "java-package" |
| 21:51.34 | debianer | euthyrox_lover: yes, I tried conky. Is there anything under console? |
| 21:52.06 | euthyrox_lover | have no idea |
| 21:52.37 | BUMBACL0T | can someone do: ls -a | grep .nano_history , and tell me if you're the current owner or the root |
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| 21:53.36 | blubberdiblub | debhelper: maybe mbmon? |
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| 21:55.31 | blubberdiblub | debhelper -> debianer |
| 21:55.45 | DaRtH_VaDeR | badgers, thx |
| 21:55.45 | badgers | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 21:55.46 | blubberdiblub | debianer: or you could try yacpi |
| 21:55.55 | DaRtH_VaDeR | o.0 |
| 21:55.57 | DaRtH_VaDeR | is a bot ? |
| 21:55.59 | DaRtH_VaDeR | :P |
| 21:56.00 | nvz | debianer: the info can probably be read from /proc/ somewhere and would be very simple to hack together a script |
| 21:56.22 | nvz | DaRtH_VaDeR: yes its a blootbot |
| 21:56.31 | DaRtH_VaDeR | thanks ^^ |
| 21:56.36 | DaRtH_VaDeR | sorry for away msg :/ |
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| 22:01.12 | shut- | how u install vmware |
| 22:01.49 | Laibsch | I am trying to put one of our dev group's servers back into order. It runs testing but had a brief, not so good encounter with unstable. A couple of packages (tex-stuff) won't configure properly. Anybody ever see something like http://rafb.net/p/I7QxIW35.html ? |
| 22:02.00 | HymnToLife` | shut-, you download it from vmware.com, extract and run the install script |
| 22:03.09 | shut- | i do |
| 22:03.40 | shut- | and it i hit run |
| 22:03.46 | shut- | and it dont |
| 22:04.32 | nvz | Laibsch: what an error message in clear english that not only describes exactly what the problem is but more than one way to fix it as well? yes, I've seen those. |
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| 22:04.56 | Laibsch | nvz: Well, the proposed fix does not work |
| 22:05.01 | Laibsch | so it is not so clea |
| 22:05.03 | Laibsch | clear |
| 22:05.16 | assasukasse | karsten: i was in bed but this i couldn't stop thinking about autossh..if it works like they say it can fix my tunnel..but what could be the syntax in the case of a reverse tunnel like mine? (autossh -M 22:22?) |
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| 22:05.36 | Roey | hi |
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| 22:05.50 | Laibsch | nvz: I grepped and located for dvips35.map up and down. Nothing |
| 22:06.04 | nvz | Laibsch: you removed the reference to dvips35.map from /var/lib/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg? |
| 22:06.13 | Laibsch | nvz: I ran updmap-sys --syncwithtrees and it had no effect |
| 22:06.25 | nvz | Laibsch: nowhere in the error does it say to do either of those things |
| 22:06.45 | nvz | Laibsch: it tells you the file doesnt exist.. so why are you looking for it and running random commands? |
| 22:06.52 | Roey | I have this device I can't unmount for some reason (I keep getting "device busy" |
| 22:06.52 | Roey | _ |
| 22:06.53 | Roey | even though tehre's nothing on that direc |
| 22:06.55 | Roey | oh |
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| 22:07.06 | Laibsch | nvz: I had touched that file. no dvips35 in there |
| 22:07.23 | nvz | Laibsch: what it says is here is the config file /var/lib/texmf/web2c/updmap.cfg that is requiring this file in a certain location.. either put it there or remove the reference |
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| 22:07.33 | Roey | hi |
| 22:07.41 | Roey | ok, now I'm getting this message when I try to remount my device: mount: /dev/sdd1 is not a valid block device |
| 22:07.50 | Laibsch | nvz: there is no reference in that file |
| 22:07.52 | Roey | what's that all about? Why coudl I mount it earlier but not now? |
| 22:07.57 | nvz | Laibsch: well I'd like to see the configuration file |
| 22:07.58 | Laibsch | nvz: At least none that I could spot easily |
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| 22:08.31 | Laibsch | nvz: I'll give you the "grep -v '#'" version |
| 22:09.05 | nvz | Laibsch: i'd rather see the whole thing.. as there seems to be more than one way to fix this |
| 22:09.27 | Laibsch | nvz: dvipsPreferOutline true |
| 22:09.27 | Laibsch | LW35 URWkb |
| 22:09.27 | Laibsch | dvipsDownloadBase35 false |
| 22:09.27 | Laibsch | pdftexDownloadBase14 true |
| 22:09.27 | Laibsch | dvipdfmDownloadBase14 true |
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| 22:09.31 | nvz | Laibsch: somewhere you got a missing or commented command that is telling it not to download the file that is missing hence the download standard fonts (dvips): `false' |
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| 22:10.15 | Laibsch | Sorry, I mean to paste this link http://paste.stgraber.org/1698 |
| 22:10.21 | Laibsch | but hit the wrong button |
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| 22:10.44 | Laibsch | I will see how I can get you the whole file |
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| 22:10.54 | nvz | Laibsch: don' bother |
| 22:11.09 | nvz | Laibsch: the line dvipsDownloadBase35 false seems to be why the files were not downloaded |
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| 22:11.23 | shut- | how do i install it i open vmware-install.p |
| 22:11.24 | shut- | l |
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| 22:12.20 | Laibsch | nvz: Should I remove it or set it to true? |
| 22:12.30 | Laibsch | I have zero knowledge and interest in tex |
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| 22:12.44 | nvz | Laibsch: seems to me that if you set it to true, then it will download the divps fonts and map file |
| 22:13.10 | nvz | this problem obviously has many solutions |
| 22:13.11 | Laibsch | Well, I prefer packaged stuff for everything but I'll give it a try. |
| 22:13.16 | Laibsch | Thanks, nvz |
| 22:13.52 | nvz | Laibsch: is this all happening during an apt-get install operation? |
| 22:14.03 | Laibsch | yes |
| 22:14.17 | Laibsch | and other packages depending on this fail, too |
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| 22:14.26 | Laibsch | one step at a time |
| 22:14.37 | nvz | Laibsch: then you will want to dpkg --pending --configure or --configue -a to continue.. and you will want to check the bts for this issue and if its not reported, you need to report it |
| 22:14.52 | Quintin | DAMMIT |
| 22:14.54 | Quintin | DAMN YOU DEBIAN |
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| 22:15.14 | nvz | Laibsch: because either the package should not require these fonts, or it should provide them.. either way the package shouldnt be failing to install cleanly and needs to be reported |
| 22:15.23 | Quintin | So, I cwas called out today to fix a computer problem, right? and they asked if there was anything else that should be done |
| 22:15.31 | utopia_ | right |
| 22:15.39 | Laibsch | nvz: I already installed reportbug on this beast |
| 22:15.42 | Laibsch | ;-) |
| 22:15.43 | Quintin | and I said 'well, we shold probably update your server' . it took 20m, and worked perfectly afterwards |
| 22:15.50 | Quintin | I should switch to redhat or something |
| 22:15.54 | nvz | Laibsch: heh I just use gmail |
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| 22:16.13 | utopia_ | why Quintin ? |
| 22:16.15 | nvz | Laibsch: report bug is nice though cause it walks you through it and grabs all the version and system informaion for you |
| 22:16.17 | Quintin | debian is costing me money I think ;) |
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| 22:16.29 | Laibsch | reportbug is probably the program I missed the most when moving my main machine to ubuntu |
| 22:16.41 | Quintin | reportbug exists in ubuntu |
| 22:16.41 | karsten | Quintin: Well, running Red Hat would definitely fix that problem. |
| 22:16.42 | Laibsch | Oh, I said it, the u word ;-) |
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| 22:16.48 | Quintin | karsten: $-) |
| 22:16.49 | karsten | Quintin: ... you'd then have Red Hat costing you money. |
| 22:16.52 | utopia_ | i haven't got to try ubuntu yet :) |
| 22:16.52 | nvz | Laibsch: just requires a configured MTA and I only use mine for local delivery.. I guess you can use reportbug and hand deliver, but that seems to defeat the purpose |
| 22:16.53 | Laibsch | Quintin: It has no funciont. Utterly broken |
| 22:17.17 | Quintin | nvz: I don't think so.. you still get all the nice features |
| 22:17.24 | Quintin | karsten: well, maybe centos |
| 22:17.33 | shut- | how do u install vmware? |
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| 22:17.42 | nvz | Quintin: I know how to run the commands on my own and compile a bug report so it of little use to me |
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| 22:18.13 | Netham45 | does anyone know why Openarena kills X while glxgears works fine? |
| 22:18.15 | karsten | Quintin: Sure. |
| 22:18.19 | karsten | Quintin: ... in which case ... |
| 22:18.27 | karsten | Quintin: .... CentOS would be costing you money. |
| 22:18.40 | nvz | I'm beginning to realize you're best off not setting a severity level on a bug, and letting the maintainer do that if you're not 100% sure cause you'll just start an argument |
| 22:18.54 | karsten | Quintin: Ah... |
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| 22:19.10 | karsten | Quintin: ... the problem was not enough billable hours. I see. Yeah, I agree. Switch to RH :-) |
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| 22:19.42 | shut- | any help |
| 22:19.43 | shut- | ? |
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| 22:19.58 | karsten | shut-: http://www.vmware.com/ |
| 22:20.00 | nvz | help on what? have you even asked a debian related question in the past hour? |
| 22:20.06 | karsten | shut-: ... and find the installation instructions. |
| 22:20.13 | nvz | cause I've only seen you rambling about off-topic stuff |
| 22:20.15 | Quintin | karsten: "wellw hat do we need to do that for? what's it called? debian?! what's it cost? oh. will it make it go faster or something" "yesss" |
| 22:20.26 | utopia_ | two day's work but the feelin of satisfaction is ++ |
| 22:20.32 | Quintin | the SATA controller on th e server wasn't supported by sarge in january, so I put etch on it |
| 22:20.43 | ix | utopia_: s/my/his/; |
| 22:21.00 | utopia_ | ix, ja |
| 22:21.07 | nvz | 3rd person pronouns |
| 22:21.13 | utopia_ | i'm not use to thinking in the third person when refering to myself |
| 22:21.18 | utopia_ | heh :) |
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| 22:21.38 | doudou | list |
| 22:21.43 | nvz | !list |
| 22:21.43 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to nvz |
| 22:21.46 | karsten | Quintin: Actually, I've got your solution. |
| 22:21.50 | Laibsch | nvz: setting to true did not have the slightest effect. |
| 22:21.57 | karsten | Quintin: ... adopt "RHEL-equivalent billing" |
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| 22:22.05 | nvz | Laibsch: what is the package name? |
| 22:22.10 | Laibsch | nvz: Told you it was non-trivial |
| 22:22.12 | Laibsch | ;-) |
| 22:22.14 | karsten | Quintin: ... defined as "billing for tasks on Debian based on the time it would take to accomplish same on a REHL system" |
| 22:22.15 | Quintin | karsten: I'm listening.. |
| 22:22.47 | Quintin | what's sad its it's the first real work I've had in motnhs :P |
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| 22:23.48 | nvz | Laibsch: maybe set dvipsPreferOutline true to false? |
| 22:24.01 | Laibsch | nvz: I am not 100% sure. It is either lmodern or texmf. The area of failure looks like this http://paste.stgraber.org/1701 on the console. |
| 22:24.14 | blubberdiblub | off to bed, night folks |
| 22:24.16 | nvz | Laibsch: seems like we've gone over 4 different solutions and still not solved the issue |
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| 22:24.30 | fantomas_ | Hi. What is etch/volatile? |
| 22:24.37 | rilatf | Hi, is this a good place (channel) to ask about networking questions, or is there any other better place to ask? |
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| 22:24.44 | Quintin | rilatf: #networking |
| 22:24.48 | Quintin | Go figure! |
| 22:24.59 | rilatf | Quintin: thx |
| 22:26.26 | rilatf | not much activity at #networking... maybe it is better to try again later on... thx anyway |
| 22:26.29 | nvz | Laibsch: seems to be lmodern and there are few bugs against it.. none that seem to mention your problem |
| 22:26.34 | Laibsch | nvz: still the same |
| 22:26.46 | Quintin | rilatf: well ask here, someone might know. ##FreeBSD is smart too |
| 22:26.47 | Roey | Hi. I have a USB 2.0 device that when I try to mount it a second time, I get: mount: /dev/sdd1 is not a valid block device |
| 22:26.47 | shut- | someone wanna help me install vmware? |
| 22:26.50 | Roey | what's up with that? |
| 22:26.53 | nvz | Laibsch: maybe you should for now try installing an older snapshot and file a bug |
| 22:26.54 | Roey | shut-: #vmware |
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| 22:27.01 | Quintin | shut-: what's the issue? |
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| 22:27.29 | nvz | Laibsch: this sort of thing happens in sid |
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| 22:27.44 | nvz | sid is a volitile and destructive little boy |
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| 22:28.19 | Laibsch | I wonder if this baby is from sid. Could very well be. |
| 22:28.44 | fantomas_ | Does anybody know what is debian-volatile? |
| 22:28.52 | fantomas_ | dpkg: volatile |
| 22:28.52 | dpkg | well, volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 22:28.53 | rilatf | Quintin: it doesn't really matter... it can way.... |
| 22:29.02 | fantomas_ | okay |
| 22:29.07 | nvz | Laibsch: it seems to be. and you said you were using sid |
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| 22:29.24 | nvz | !info lmodern etch |
| 22:29.26 | dpkg | lmodern: (scalable PostScript fonts based on Computer Modern), section tex, is optional. Version: 1.00-3 (etch), Packaged size: 11449 kB, Installed size: 34532 kB |
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| 22:29.41 | nvz | !info lmodern lenny |
| 22:29.47 | dpkg | lmodern: (scalable PostScript and OpenType fonts based on Computer Modern), section tex, is optional. Version: 1.010x-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 16648 kB, Installed size: 46164 kB |
| 22:29.56 | Laibsch | nvz: No, we are using testing but had a brief, very unsuccessful encounter with sid earlier before I got root on this box |
| 22:29.57 | rilatf | fantomas_: http://www.debian.org/volatile |
| 22:30.03 | nvz | Laibsch: seems to be the same version you have 1.010x-3 in lenny and sid |
| 22:30.07 | Laibsch | nvz: I am trying to clean up the mess left behind |
| 22:30.23 | Laibsch | I think I can remove lmodern |
| 22:30.30 | Laibsch | It is not needed by any other package |
| 22:30.40 | nvz | Laibsch: you can't wind back to testing from unstable very easily |
| 22:30.44 | Laibsch | Unfortunately, the beast also refuses to deinstall |
| 22:30.59 | nvz | Laibsch: if you just changed the sources to testing then that would explain a lot about why things are breaking |
| 22:31.01 | Laibsch | nvz: Sure. Which is why it was such a bad idea in the first place |
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| 22:31.25 | nvz | Laibsch: and pretty much makes your obscure issues a waste of the developers time to debug |
| 22:31.44 | nvz | Laibsch: you need to run sid, or reinstall testing and if the problem persists you need to file a bug |
| 22:31.51 | Laibsch | yes, I won't file a bug report I think until I know better that I really have hit one |
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| 22:32.04 | Laibsch | There is also a lot of handcrafted cruft on this box |
| 22:32.14 | Laibsch | Did I already say it was a mess? ;-) |
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| 22:32.22 | fantomas_ | rilatf: I've just search for "volatile" on debian.org and found nothing! Stupid search engines... |
| 22:32.30 | nvz | Laibsch: you definatly hit one, its just you hit one that may not have been found simply because we don't expect people to start installing testing packages on a system that was running sid |
| 22:32.32 | Laibsch | nvz: This is a productive server used by around 30 devs. |
| 22:32.41 | Laibsch | I can't just take it down and reinstall it |
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| 22:33.07 | nvz | Laibsch: seems to me if its running sid packages you are better off running sid than trying to downgrade a production server |
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| 22:33.21 | Laibsch | nvz: How do I force the remove of lmodern? |
| 22:33.35 | dotCOMmie | Hello how can I fork a shell script on a one line bash script.. ./myScript & ; does not work.. it does not like the ; |
| 22:33.46 | Laibsch | nvz: The sid incident happened some time ago |
| 22:34.02 | Laibsch | this machine is supposed to continue to run testing |
| 22:34.14 | nvz | Laibsch: what does dpkg -l libc6 say? |
| 22:34.22 | dotCOMmie | is the a "nop" command in bash? |
| 22:34.27 | zinx | : |
| 22:34.41 | zinx | though it can be redefined if you're so inclined |
| 22:35.03 | zinx | but you don't need the : |
| 22:35.04 | Laibsch | nvz: 2.5-9+b1 |
| 22:35.04 | zinx | erh, ; |
| 22:35.07 | dotCOMmie | zinx: nice, thanks |
| 22:35.20 | dotCOMmie | zinx: this works ./myScript & : ; |
| 22:35.34 | zinx | you don't need the : ; at all |
| 22:35.36 | dotCOMmie | I need the ; because I have a "one liner script" |
| 22:35.40 | zinx | no you don't |
| 22:35.44 | dotCOMmie | huh? |
| 22:35.48 | nvz | Laibsch: well thats the current version for testing. you apparently managed to make the switch during a time testing and unstable were neck and neck or its mostly worked itself out over time |
| 22:35.55 | zinx | ./myScript & is perfectly valid |
| 22:36.29 | hackmiker | how do i change from lenny to sid? |
| 22:36.34 | dotCOMmie | zinx: but this: while [ cond ]; do ./myscript &; more stuff; done |
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| 22:36.36 | hackmiker | and should I? |
| 22:36.40 | zinx | for y in `yes`; do ./myScript & done is also valid, although it's not likely to get you very far. |
| 22:36.42 | dotCOMmie | zinx: Oh I see |
| 22:36.57 | zinx | dotCOMmie: & acts like ;, except backgrounds whatever it is |
| 22:36.59 | Laibsch | how do I force lmodern off this box? |
| 22:37.14 | dotCOMmie | zinx: awesome. |
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| 22:38.07 | nvz | Laibsch: if you hack /var/lib/dpkg/info/lmodern.postinst and put exit 0 at the top and run dpkg --pending --configure it will "successfully" install without doing the post-install proceedures generating the error making it easier for you to remove it or whatever you choose to do |
| 22:39.07 | nvz | Laibsch: I use that trick often when an ignorant install script is binding me up just keep in mind if you hack an install script to return no errors reguardless of what happens, that the package may not work properly you're just getting out of the dpkg hell |
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| 22:40.41 | zinx | nvz: i had some fun with lftp's postremove script - it failed if there were no ftp alternatives |
| 22:40.56 | zinx | nvz: and since it failed, i couldn't install an ftp client. |
| 22:41.11 | zinx | (or reinstall lftp for that matter) |
| 22:41.25 | Laibsch | nvz: OK, thanks. I will try that |
| 22:41.30 | shut- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.41 | nvz | shut-: which gcc |
| 22:42.12 | nvz | zinx: yeah well sometimes you gotta bend the rules a little.. I feel bad telling people to do this thinking it is an actual solution.. but I usually try to make them understand the problems forcing a script to exit 0 can do |
| 22:42.24 | shut- | its for installing vmware |
| 22:42.31 | nvz | shut-: which gcc |
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| 22:42.54 | nvz | shut-: no seriously, type which gcc into your shell |
| 22:43.21 | zinx | or you can just tell it "gcc" |
| 22:43.40 | zinx | my guess is shut- has no development tools installed |
| 22:43.47 | sgp | shut-: type "which gcc" |
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| 22:44.10 | sgp | shut-: It will tell you the location (path) |
| 22:44.16 | Laibsch | nvz: I entered "exit 0", did an "apt-get install", received a couple of errors from other packages, but lmodern is now shown as "ri lmodern 1.010x-3" from dpkg -l. "apt-get remove lmodern" still fails. Want the console? |
| 22:44.23 | shut- | lol |
| 22:45.04 | shut- | it didnt |
| 22:45.06 | nvz | Laibsch: just hack the other scripts to make the other packages succed or use aptitude.. its good at getting you out of a mess |
| 22:45.06 | shut- | :( |
| 22:45.17 | stew | !b-e shut- |
| 22:45.17 | dpkg | shut-: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 22:45.59 | nvz | I don't think I've ever owned a box without gcc |
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| 22:46.13 | sgp | shut-: apt-get install gcc ;-) |
| 22:46.14 | fnordperfect | hey *, has anyone an idea how I could flash the firmware of my LG DVD Burner?? what I got is a friggin windows-executable.. :-( |
| 22:46.18 | nvz | I'm not even a developer and I still end up needing to compile something or other |
| 22:46.58 | nvz | fnordperfect: I don't know that I'd risk toasting hardware running a firmware upgrade in wine or something.. |
| 22:47.20 | nvz | since when do DVD burners have flashable firmware anyhow |
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| 22:47.43 | h3sp4wn | At least a few years |
| 22:47.54 | fnordperfect | nvz: thanks, I got the same response on another channel. I don't intend to do that |
| 22:47.56 | nvz | most companies don't even bother following up on updates for things anyhow |
| 22:48.36 | nvz | fnordperfect: so um.. get a windows box then, or buy hardware from companies that get it right the first time, or support linux |
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| 22:49.35 | Enverex | Anyone trying to use Audacious on Sid? Damn thing just Segfaults for me :/ |
| 22:49.52 | Roey | Hi. I have a USB 2.0 device that when I try to mount it, umount it, and then mount it a second time, I get: mount: /dev/sdd1 is not a valid block device. Why is it inconsistent? |
| 22:49.54 | nvz | !+info audacious |
| 22:49.56 | dpkg | audacious: (Small and fast audio player which supports lots of formats), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.3.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 974 kB, Installed size: 2956 kB |
| 22:50.13 | shut- | i installed gcc now where is it |
| 22:50.22 | nvz | which gcc? |
| 22:50.27 | shut- | 4 |
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| 22:50.51 | Enverex | nvz, Was that supposed to help? |
| 22:50.52 | shut- | i aint that good yet a linux |
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| 22:51.13 | nvz | Enverex: I he's been explained the usage of which by like 3 different people already |
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| 22:51.30 | Enverex | nvz, I meant about audacious... |
| 22:51.34 | nvz | Enverex: unless you mean me looking up wtf audacious was |
| 22:51.53 | grendal_prime | ok how do i call another script into a bash script... source "/path/to/my/script" ? |
| 22:51.56 | Enverex | H |
| 22:52.48 | stew | grendal_prime: yes |
| 22:53.27 | nvz | Enverex: there are a slew of open bugs with similar issues on that package you should consult the bts, do a trace, and file or append a bug |
| 22:53.51 | shut- | where would the gcc be |
| 22:53.53 | Enverex | ... just wanted to listen to some music :/ |
| 22:53.53 | shut- | normaly |
| 22:53.54 | shut- | ? |
| 22:54.12 | nvz | Enverex: then try a different program, or stop using sid. |
| 22:54.21 | grendal_prime | are the " needed |
| 22:54.30 | Enverex | ... |
| 22:54.36 | nvz | Enverex: sid is for people who want to test the latest debian packages and can use the bts |
| 22:54.40 | Enverex | *siighs* |
| 22:54.41 | sgp | shut-: /usr/bin/gcc |
| 22:54.55 | Enverex | nvz, normally i can but the last 2 days ive been in hospital |
| 22:55.02 | nvz | A package in Sid segfaults, no story at 11 |
| 22:55.14 | stew | shut-: what command did you use to install gcc? |
| 22:55.37 | shut- | apt-get install gcc |
| 22:55.38 | shut- | :p |
| 22:55.42 | Enverex | ... thanks |
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| 22:55.49 | stew | shut-: you need to install the "build-essential" package |
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| 22:55.56 | hackmiker | hi i'm trying to change from testing to unstable. any tips? apt-get update generates some errors after editing /etc/apt/sources.list (replaced lenny with unstable) |
| 22:56.07 | shut- | what is the location of the directory of c header files that match your runing kernel |
| 22:56.11 | karsten | hackmiker: If you have to ask, don't do it. |
| 22:56.18 | stew | shut-: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 22:56.27 | hackmiker | well, i need a walkthrough :) |
| 22:56.32 | karsten | shut-: Install the appropriate kernel headers package. |
| 22:56.35 | nvz | shut-: you will need to install kernel headers for your running kernel |
| 22:56.41 | karsten | hackmiker: See above. |
| 22:56.48 | stew | shut-: that assumes you ahve installed linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 22:56.53 | hackmiker | where? |
| 22:56.55 | karsten | hackmiker: If you don't know how to use and configure apt, you're not ready for sid. |
| 22:57.02 | hackmiker | heh |
| 22:57.09 | hackmiker | teach me |
| 22:57.17 | karsten | hackmiker: No. |
| 22:57.19 | hackmiker | c'moooon |
| 22:57.21 | stew | hackmiker: man sources.list |
| 22:57.22 | nvz | hackmiker: this is not a lesson that can be taught, only learned |
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| 22:57.36 | hackmiker | darn you! darn you all to heck! |
| 22:57.37 | karsten | hackmiker: You'll find an excellent howto on the subject of apt somewhere, maybe. |
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| 22:58.32 | nvz | yeah well you should know about a lot more than apt before using sid |
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| 22:58.49 | Supaplex | is there something more elegant than tcpdump -vvn port 53 and host <mybox> to trace dns requests? |
| 22:58.55 | Dave|id | quick question: running debian server headless, but i need to get internet, so where do i define a proxy server it can go out on? |
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| 22:59.27 | Supaplex | Dave|id: export http_proxy="http://proxy.foo.etc:80/" |
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| 22:59.44 | shut- | whats the location of the header? |
| 22:59.53 | dotCOMmie | Dave|id: you might want to add that to ./bashrc |
| 23:00.11 | Dave|id | Supaplex: thanks |
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| 23:00.15 | Dave|id | dotCOMmie: thanks |
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| 23:01.56 | nvz | Supaplex: dnsdoctor, dnstop... |
| 23:02.49 | stew | shut-: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
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| 23:03.01 | stew | shut-: what does "uname -r" return? |
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| 23:03.40 | nvz | Supaplex: another one seems to be netwox.. but it looks like an all-around network swiss army knife |
| 23:04.05 | Supaplex | humm |
| 23:04.16 | nvz | has a frontend called netwag |
| 23:04.32 | Supaplex | dnstop is a lame stats only. I want to see the queries. |
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| 23:08.14 | shut- | the path /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build exists but it does not contain a "linux" subdirectory as expected |
| 23:08.21 | shut- | what does that mean |
| 23:08.59 | Supaplex | ahh netwox. wicked. :P |
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| 23:09.12 | nvz | Supaplex: heh.. tool 190: make coffee |
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| 23:09.50 | nvz | Supaplex: the netwag interface isn't that pretty but seems to make playing with the 222 tools pretty straight forward |
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| 23:15.18 | bolt | How can I set the system time manually on a computer which is not connected to any network? |
| 23:15.30 | Supaplex | bolt: date |
| 23:15.35 | CaT[tm] | man date |
| 23:15.48 | bolt | thanks |
| 23:16.16 | Supaplex | eg date --set="Wed Jun 20 17:15:37 MDT 2007" |
| 23:16.32 | Supaplex | or date --set="Wed Jun 20 23:15:54 UTC 2007" |
| 23:16.34 | Supaplex | :P |
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| 23:17.07 | nvz | or date --set="+2 hours -3 days +23 minutes -47 seconds" |
| 23:17.16 | nvz | :P |
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| 23:17.38 | King_Brad | hello, i was wondering if could stop Hotplug / net.agent without having problems with my server? |
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| 23:18.00 | nvz | I don't see what hotplug has to do with a server at all |
| 23:18.09 | stew | unless you need it for loading firmware |
| 23:18.10 | King_Brad | no idea |
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| 23:18.15 | stew | King_Brad: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 23:18.28 | King_Brad | i have net.agent installed.. not sure what its for and if i can kill it safely... |
| 23:18.38 | DrMitch | i just got a PVR150, but when i modprobe ivtv, i don't get a /dev/video? ... any clue what's up? |
| 23:18.59 | King_Brad | stew it ws orignally umm.... sarge i think... its been upgraded to etch tho |
| 23:19.02 | nvz | I never seen any NEED for hotplug :P then again I've been around longer than all this automagic stuff |
| 23:19.12 | stew | King_Brad: is udev installed? |
| 23:19.18 | King_Brad | stew i dont know |
| 23:19.21 | stew | King_Brad: check |
| 23:19.32 | King_Brad | command? |
| 23:19.45 | King_Brad | Blue:/# whereis udev |
| 23:19.46 | King_Brad | udev: /etc/udev /lib/udev /usr/share/man/man7/udev.7.gz |
| 23:19.54 | Supaplex | nvz: nice find. :) |
| 23:20.19 | stew | King_Brad: show us the output of " apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy udev libc6 ; uname -r " use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:20.24 | King_Brad | im just trying to figure out why my loadavgs are over 10... |
| 23:20.32 | stew | King_Brad: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 23:20.40 | sia_ | NMI received for unknown reason b0 on CPU 0. You have some hardware problem, likely on the PCI bus. <== hi i have been randomly receiving these errors for the past 2 days and I am wondering what is causing this problem? |
| 23:21.50 | King_Brad | http://paste.lisp.org/display/43137 |
| 23:21.58 | King_Brad | thats the output form that apt-cache command |
| 23:22.08 | stew | King_Brad: you dont have hotplug installed |
| 23:22.14 | karsten | King_Brad: ... and look for any processes in 'D' state (ps waux | gawk 'NR==1 || $8 == "Z"') |
| 23:22.22 | Supaplex | !nmi |
| 23:22.22 | dpkg | [nmi] Non-Maskable Interrupts, a way to diagnose why a CPU soft-froze. |
| 23:22.28 | King_Brad | what is net.agent? thats what im trying to get rid of... |
| 23:22.41 | karsten | sia_: A hardware problem, likely on the PCI bus. |
| 23:22.50 | karsten | sia_: RMA your mobo |
| 23:22.52 | King_Brad | karsten Gawk not found. |
| 23:22.57 | karsten | !installit |
| 23:22.57 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 23:23.07 | karsten | King_Brad: Then use awk but you'll have to rewrite that a bit. |
| 23:23.20 | stew | King_Brad: show us the output of "vmstat 1 5" |
| 23:23.29 | King_Brad | karsten there are no processes with 'D" state |
| 23:24.07 | karsten | King_Brad: ps waux | awk '{if( NR==1 || $8 == "Z") print}' |
| 23:24.23 | Laibsch | nvz: I successfully remove all offending packages |
| 23:24.31 | King_Brad | http://paste.lisp.org/display/43138 |
| 23:24.37 | karsten | King_Brad: Ok, then you're not stuck with noninterruptable sleep procs. |
| 23:24.37 | Laibsch | nvz: But now I need to reinstall at least some of them |
| 23:24.46 | sia_ | karsten i didnt have that problem with etch |
| 23:24.57 | King_Brad | karsten that 2nd command also had no responses |
| 23:25.02 | sia_ | it happened after i upgraded to sid |
| 23:25.03 | Laibsch | nvz: I did "apt-get clean" and there are no more unstable sources in sources.list. |
| 23:25.19 | stew | woah, lots of processes in the r column |
| 23:25.25 | karsten | sia_: That may be a coincidence. Or may not be. General experience is it's a hardware problem. GIYF. |
| 23:25.31 | stew | and lots of context switching |
| 23:25.35 | karsten | sia_: ... SLYP |
| 23:25.43 | stew | King_Brad: what is this server doing that it has so many running processes? |
| 23:25.56 | King_Brad | stew its a shoutcast server |
| 23:26.01 | King_Brad | hosts 50 streams right now |
| 23:26.02 | Laibsch | "apt-get install texlive-common" fails. Do you have a lenny system where you could verify? Anybody else with lenny willing to verify? |
| 23:26.13 | stew | King_Brad: what does "ps ax | wc -l" return ? |
| 23:26.34 | King_Brad | it goes to a > |
| 23:26.50 | stew | King_Brad: hit ctrl-c and do it again with no quotes |
| 23:26.57 | karsten | King_Brad: Mismatched quotes. |
| 23:26.58 | sia_ | karsten i did google, but everybody has a different problem than mine. |
| 23:27.05 | King_Brad | 121 |
| 23:27.11 | karsten | sia_: There you go then. |
| 23:27.12 | sia_ | lspci shows no errors |
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| 23:27.27 | stew | somehting must be spinning up tons of short lived processes |
| 23:27.29 | karsten | sia_: lspci isn't a diagnostic tool in that sense. |
| 23:27.38 | King_Brad | could be |
| 23:27.49 | sia_ | karsten what do I do now? |
| 23:27.50 | King_Brad | im wondering if the cpu / ram just isnt enough for all the streams |
| 23:28.04 | karsten | sia_: I say you probably have a hardware problem. Try booting other distros / kernels to test, check BTS, find out what your vendor's recommended hardware diagnostic is. |
| 23:28.07 | King_Brad | i have an AMD64 3800 with 1gb of ram that has more streams and shows 0.00 load.... |
| 23:28.11 | stew | King_Brad: look at the first column of the vmstat output. that is the number of processes waiting for cpu time, and it was as high as 196 |
| 23:28.12 | karsten | sia_: ... barring all else.... |
| 23:28.15 | karsten | sia_: Panic. |
| 23:28.28 | King_Brad | but this one (Sempron 2600 with 512mb) shows loads of 0.10 to 15.00 |
| 23:28.37 | King_Brad | hmm |
| 23:28.58 | sia_ | karsten I am gonna go back to etch and see if i still have that problem |
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| 23:29.11 | King_Brad | is there anyway i can see what all is spawning and waiting for cpu? |
| 23:29.20 | stew | King_Brad: ps should tell you |
| 23:29.42 | ezguy | hi, can the # of inodes be expanded after creating a filesystem? |
| 23:29.59 | sia_ | thanks anyways. |
| 23:30.06 | King_Brad | when i run top i notice most my streams are at the top.... past that i think its just misc other files... cept for net.agent spawns like 5 times and is always jumping to the top of the top list... |
| 23:30.06 | stew | King_Brad: or you could temporarily install something like snoppy and see all the commands that get executed |
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| 23:30.12 | karsten | ezguy: Recreate the filesystem. |
| 23:30.13 | ezguy | according to mk2fs man it's not possible. |
| 23:30.18 | karsten | ezguy: ... or in other words, it can't be. |
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| 23:30.28 | karsten | ezguy: That would be the conventional wisdom. |
| 23:30.36 | King_Brad | snoopy eh? is that console based steve? |
| 23:30.37 | ezguy | got it. |
| 23:30.41 | King_Brad | err stew |
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| 23:31.17 | stew | King_Brad: no, its a ld.preload, it makes every command executed on the box show up in /var/log/auth.log ; it will slow things down, but will tell you exactly what processes are breing spawned and by whom |
| 23:31.24 | stew | udev: lib/udev/net.agent |
| 23:31.32 | King_Brad | ahh |
| 23:31.38 | King_Brad | do i have to reboot after i install it? |
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| 23:31.42 | stew | King_Brad: no |
| 23:31.47 | King_Brad | okay, can i kill net.agent in some way? |
| 23:31.58 | stew | King_Brad: "dpkg-reconfigure snoopy" to turn it on and off |
| 23:32.06 | stew | dunno what net.agent is or what it is doing |
| 23:32.14 | King_Brad | well |
| 23:32.19 | King_Brad | according to the website i looked at |
| 23:32.28 | King_Brad | it handles network interfaces on hotplug.. |
| 23:32.35 | dotCOMmie | debian packages do have conflict parameters. That is there a way to mark a package as conflicting with another? |
| 23:32.48 | King_Brad | http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 23:32.54 | King_Brad | its on that page stew |
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| 23:33.28 | King_Brad | thats why i was orignally asking abut hotplug... |
| 23:33.31 | stew | King_Brad: that's old info |
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| 23:33.37 | karsten | stew: Isn't that part of the GNOME network manager thing? |
| 23:33.38 | King_Brad | ahh |
| 23:33.40 | King_Brad | figures... lol |
| 23:33.44 | stew | karsten: no, udev |
| 23:33.47 | King_Brad | gnome is'nt installed |
| 23:33.49 | spheard | does anyone know where I can get fast downloads of vmware images? |
| 23:33.56 | stew | !widbu |
| 23:33.56 | dpkg | When in doubt, blame udev! |
| 23:34.00 | karsten | stew: Same thing. |
| 23:34.08 | King_Brad | stew can i uninstall udev? or is that required for compiling? |
| 23:34.21 | karsten | King_Brad: It's commonly useful for more than just that. |
| 23:34.23 | karsten | !udev |
| 23:34.23 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555 |
| 23:34.28 | stew | King_Brad: its required by your initrd, you'd have to install yaird and reinstall your kernel-image |
| 23:34.47 | stew | King_Brad: or build a custom kernel that doesn't depend on an initrd, if that is possible |
| 23:35.03 | King_Brad | bah |
| 23:35.04 | King_Brad | lol |
| 23:35.08 | King_Brad | not worth it... lol |
| 23:35.20 | karsten | King_Brad: udev dynamically generates device files in its own namespace on demand, used by hotplug, etc, more and more stuff expects to find it these days. |
| 23:35.23 | King_Brad | i will try snoopy |
| 23:35.24 | stew | King_Brad: especially since you don't know that it is really the big problem |
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| 23:35.43 | King_Brad | exactly stew |
| 23:35.46 | stew | karsten: not used by hotplug (if you mean the hotplug pacakge) |
| 23:35.48 | Dmac_run | Hows everyone today? |
| 23:36.02 | King_Brad | working via SSH without console access to a box makes everything a pain... lol |
| 23:36.14 | karsten | stew: I sit corrected. |
| 23:36.33 | stew | karsten: (udev in sarge depended on hotplug, udev in etch conflicts with hotplug (replaces its functionality)) |
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| 23:36.52 | King_Brad | stew, how can i find out what version of debian i am running (etch, sarge etc) |
| 23:36.53 | karsten | stew: I give up, I can't keep up. |
| 23:37.01 | karsten | King_Brad: /etc/debian_version |
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| 23:37.15 | stew | karsten: you are running etch, you can tell becuase your libc6 version matches the stable one on http://pacakges.debian.org/libc6 |
| 23:37.22 | stew | King_Brad: ^^ |
| 23:37.37 | King_Brad | ahh |
| 23:37.38 | King_Brad | cool |
| 23:37.51 | cafuego | karsten: you didn't get the memo lol |
| 23:38.13 | King_Brad | well i'm very happy with debian, easy to use and very stable... works for me :-) |
| 23:38.34 | karsten | cafuego: Damnit lol |
| 23:39.36 | cafuego | peterS must be going mental, trying to turn them all into ascii dudes |
| 23:41.14 | stew | heh |
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| 23:44.07 | fasta | How can I test whether the sleep function of Gnome works (not man sleep)? In the screen where I can shutdown my machine, it says "sleep", but when I press it, it doesn't work. |
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| 23:45.15 | gpm | i only have suspend, hibernate, shut down, cancel |
| 23:45.22 | gpm | oh, and restart |
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| 23:45.45 | fasta | gpm: I translated this from my native language back to English. |
| 23:45.55 | fasta | gpm: I meant hibernate then |
| 23:46.07 | gpm | well there's your test...it failed |
| 23:46.09 | gpm | !test |
| 23:46.09 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 23:46.20 | gpm | it's done through hal |
| 23:46.21 | fasta | gpm: no, then it makes sense. |
| 23:46.36 | jetx | hey i have a list of files (to be installed) in a file: how do i use this file with apt-get install? apt-get install 'usethisfilewiththelistinit' |
| 23:46.39 | fasta | gpm: since one of the features wasn't supported. |
| 23:47.12 | fasta | gpm: power_management.can_suspend_hybrid = false (bool) |
| 23:47.16 | fasta | gpm: the rest is true |
| 23:47.16 | stew | jetx: apt-get install $(cat usethisfilewiththelistinit) |
| 23:47.24 | jetx | ah thankee mr stew |
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| 23:47.50 | gpm | try changing it? |
| 23:48.05 | jetx | stew: should the file be a long line.. aka file1 file2 file3 ... or should there be linebreaks |
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| 23:48.21 | fasta | gpm: hmm, suspend also doesn't work. |
| 23:48.21 | jetx | line eh |
| 23:48.30 | stew | jetx: either |
| 23:48.32 | jetx | ah |
| 23:48.36 | jetx | cool thanks again |
| 23:48.53 | fasta | gpm: anyway to get real information on why it doesn't work? |
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| 23:49.04 | fasta | any way* |
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| 23:50.17 | Laibsch | nvz: It seems this was a known and hopefully soon-fixed-in-testing problem. See the first entry in reportbug for texlive-common if you are interested. Adding stable sources and pinning them to 99 to install texlive-2007 instead of texlive-2005 fixed things here. STill a little bit of clean-up to do |
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| 23:53.04 | stew | jetx: actuall a better way is" xargs apt-get install < usethisfilewiththelistinit |
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| 23:54.19 | stew | i dunno if $(cat foo) get treated as one argument |
| 23:54.31 | stew | i guess "eval apt-get install $(cat foo)" would work too |
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