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| 00:01.49 | Laibsch | good night |
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| 00:03.14 | alaya | pata is the same as plain old ata correct? but is there pata with a ziff connector? does that make sense? |
| 00:04.06 | ben_goodger | PATA is parallel ATA, i.e. IDE. the only thing I've seen it use is ribbon cables |
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| 00:04.15 | alaya | i thought ata-7 was that same as sata 1.5 which uses ziff |
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| 00:05.08 | Mika-chan | Anyone here install the FreeNX server to connect with No machine? |
| 00:05.32 | alaya | hmm, the drive i'm looking at says it has a ATA-3/ATA-4/ATA-5/ATA-6/ATA-7 connector. i think that is actually a ziff |
| 00:06.01 | ben_goodger | oh, alaya is talking to me |
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| 00:06.21 | alaya | sorry |
| 00:06.29 | ben_goodger | I don't mind |
| 00:06.38 | sandman | Anyone here use Xephyr? |
| 00:06.39 | alaya | yes, also just muttering out loud. sorry. :-\ |
| 00:06.50 | zinx | SATA uses a SATA connector... |
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| 00:07.04 | ben_goodger | !ask sandman |
| 00:07.11 | ben_goodger | hrrm |
| 00:07.13 | ben_goodger | !ask |
| 00:07.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:07.14 | zinx | i'm not really sure what a 'ziff' connector is, but 'ZIF' is zero insertion force, which is generally used for CPUs and other such chips |
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| 00:07.28 | alaya | well i have a laptop that uses a funky 1.8' drive. but many/most 1.8" drives use a "ziff connector" for ipods |
| 00:07.38 | ben_goodger | hmm |
| 00:07.55 | zinx | sounds like some weirdass proprietary apple thing, then :P |
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| 00:08.13 | alaya | lenovo, believe it or not. the x4* series |
| 00:08.14 | zinx | i've never heard of it, in any case |
| 00:08.26 | phogg | ben_goodger: you wanted !tell person about ask |
| 00:08.33 | sandman | How to have Xephyr run in 8-bit depth, and also run twm such that I may work with it? I tried Xephyr :1 -depth 8, but am unsure as to where I should put the twm command. Unfortunately, the --help result is unhelpful to me, and there is no manpage... |
| 00:08.37 | ben_goodger | yes, yes I did |
| 00:08.57 | alaya | problem is, i've had 2 of the hitachi's fail in a row and don't trust them now. toshiba makes some but i can't tell what interface they have |
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| 00:09.02 | alaya | http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/storage/english/spec/hdd/mk1011gah.htm#function |
| 00:09.42 | ben_goodger | damn toshiba, photos would be nice |
| 00:09.43 | h3sp4wn | sandman: use DISPLAY |
| 00:09.46 | alaya | i keep seeing drives listed as "pata" but then they say they have ziff connectors and in the photos they don't look like ide connectors |
| 00:10.33 | ben_goodger | how many pins, what shape? |
| 00:10.51 | h3sp4wn | sandman: /usr/bin/Xephyr :1 -ac -depth 8; DISPLAY=:1; /usr/bin/twm |
| 00:10.52 | alaya | http://cgi.ebay.com/TOSHIBA-100-GIGABYTE-PATA-MOBILE-STORAGE-4200-RPM-2MB_W0QQitemZ320124720499QQihZ011QQcategoryZ42184QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem |
| 00:11.17 | phizwhiz | hi i'm trying to run a rotation script via /etc/crontab: mv somefile `date +%Y.%m.%d-%H:%M:%S`somefile but it something needs to be escaped, either the + or the %, any ideas? |
| 00:11.22 | ben_goodger | hmm |
| 00:11.52 | dkr | phizwhiz: escape the % |
| 00:11.54 | karsten | phizwhiz: '%' is a special character in crontab. It's equivalent to 'wnd of line, read stdin folloing this character'. man 5 crontab. |
| 00:12.00 | ben_goodger | my "trolling to try and dole out advice" unit says "probably some super-thin IDE raw ribbon connector, but I've never seen it before" |
| 00:12.00 | karsten | s/wnd/end/ |
| 00:12.06 | alaya | here is a much better photo: http://cgi.ebay.com/Toshiba-100GB-1-8-Hard-Drive-MK1011GAH_W0QQitemZ140129135347QQihZ004QQcategoryZ99249QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 00:12.11 | sandman | h3sp4wn: That doesn't work |
| 00:12.30 | alaya | lol |
| 00:12.32 | phizwhiz | cool i assume the \ will escape it |
| 00:12.39 | sandman | use: X [:<display>] [option] |
| 00:12.43 | sandman | err |
| 00:12.49 | sandman | Unrecognized option: -depth |
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| 00:12.55 | ben_goodger | notebooks are buggers, I tend to leave them alone |
| 00:12.59 | alaya | oh man i'm sorry |
| 00:13.06 | h3sp4wn | sandman: I presumed you had got the depth from the manpage |
| 00:13.24 | zinx | yeah see, ZIF != ZIFF |
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| 00:14.16 | phizwhiz | thanks dkr and karsten |
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| 00:14.30 | zinx | alaya: they're PATA drives, for sure |
| 00:14.30 | alaya | ben_goodger: i deserve that :-) |
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| 00:14.55 | zinx | alaya: just using a different connector from larger drives |
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| 00:15.26 | walthari | itÅ› possible install debian without cd install? |
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| 00:15.48 | walthari | www.goodbye-microsoft.com for example |
| 00:15.54 | walthari | but, for linux |
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| 00:16.19 | stew | walthari: /msg dpkg debootstrap ; /msg dpkg ig |
| 00:16.23 | zinx | walthari: certainly |
| 00:17.11 | walthari | tks man :P |
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| 00:17.44 | h3sp4wn | sandman: What version of Debian are you using (Xephyr is not working properly here - I have used it before though - sid) |
| 00:17.58 | sandman | Etch |
| 00:18.46 | h3sp4wn | sandman: Using nvidia drivers (I cannot discount that its just those drivers that suck - haven't used it since switching from a different card) |
| 00:19.27 | sandman | Great. |
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| 00:21.03 | jetx | it's not the drivers |
| 00:21.52 | h3sp4wn | Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 625 in ../../../../hw/kdrive/src/kinput.c |
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| 00:24.48 | docta_v | what's the difference between adding a secondary IP with a virtual sub-interface and without one |
| 00:25.00 | docta_v | i have a bunch of secondary IPs in my 'ip addr show' output |
| 00:25.21 | docta_v | but none of them have a sub-interface, i.e. eth1:0 |
| 00:25.21 | stew | docta_v: not much, other than ifconfig won't notice the secondary ones |
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| 00:25.35 | docta_v | what's the syntax for adding a secondary IP without creating a sub-interface? |
| 00:25.42 | docta_v | if i do ifconfig eth1 add ... |
| 00:25.47 | docta_v | that creates a sub-interface |
| 00:26.05 | docta_v | but i don't want to do that... mainly for consistancy |
| 00:26.08 | stew | docta_v: ip addr add 1.2.3.4/24 dev eth1 |
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| 00:26.16 | docta_v | ah cool thanks man |
| 00:26.27 | abrotman | stew: i might be able to keep up with you soon :) |
| 00:27.34 | stew | abrotman: in what way? |
| 00:27.48 | abrotman | stew: biking :) |
| 00:28.01 | stew | abrotman: yeah, probably. i'll challange you to a foot race though :) |
| 00:28.17 | abrotman | can't run .. shin splints |
| 00:28.47 | stew | abrotman: or the weather will drop back down below 85 making it impossible for you to bike |
| 00:29.04 | abrotman | 75!!! .. maybe 70 if i'm really antsy :) |
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| 00:29.59 | stew | abrotman: come up and prove it when damog is in town |
| 00:30.03 | abrotman | it was only ~75 when i was done |
| 00:30.17 | abrotman | stew: i might be up ... are you and mrs going to see him ? |
| 00:30.36 | stew | he might stay here |
| 00:30.38 | sandman | xinit -geometry 640x480 -depth 8 -- :1 also doesn't work. It's still 1280x1024 and 24 bit depth |
| 00:30.39 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 00:30.57 | abrotman | stew: i could come up saturday eve .. or just sunday lunch/dinner/whatever |
| 00:31.16 | sandman | So I'm scrapping Xephyr since it's broken, and Xnest because of its lack of functionality. Just trying to run a second X server now. |
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| 00:33.02 | JonasNZ | so im having some wierd issues, i built an etch vm, cloned it, ssh accepts connections from all my machines on the network on one of the vm's and the other only accepts it from the original vm i havnt changed any configs |
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| 00:37.49 | goodshit | Can someone give me some popular spam website I can check if my ip is listed on them. I know spamhaus is one of them any other major one anyone know? Or how can I find out all the major spam site. thanks.. |
| 00:38.03 | Guerin | wtf |
| 00:38.04 | abrotman | google for "rbl list" |
| 00:38.13 | abrotman | goodshit: or ask an mail related channel |
| 00:38.13 | dvs | goodshit: have you talked to stoned? ;-) |
| 00:38.40 | Guerin | dvs: you think stoned gets excited about bowel movements? |
| 00:38.54 | sandman | Anyone know how to run an X server at 640x480x16 depth from the command-line, without using an xorg.conf? |
| 00:38.58 | dvs | Guerin: that's not the type of "shit" I had in mind |
| 00:39.08 | goodshit | abrotman thanks |
| 00:39.12 | goodshit | rbl list? |
| 00:39.15 | goodshit | is good to search for |
| 00:39.20 | abrotman | dvs: i don't htink that's the type of 'stone' he had in mind :) |
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| 00:39.25 | abrotman | goodshit: try it FFS |
| 00:39.35 | goodshit | FFS? |
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| 00:39.52 | Guerin | !ffs |
| 00:39.52 | dpkg | i heard ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 00:40.02 | abrotman | Guerin: and worth it! |
| 00:40.11 | goodshit | hahaha |
| 00:40.12 | goodshit | FFS |
| 00:40.13 | goodshit | nice |
| 00:40.20 | abrotman | Guerin: wait .. depends how many $hundreds |
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| 00:41.27 | goodshit | i can't find a rbs list |
| 00:41.36 | dvs | rbl list |
| 00:41.37 | stew | goodshit: rbl |
| 00:41.43 | Guerin | abrotman: estimate about five ... in $NZ, so about 3.5 in $US |
| 00:41.45 | stew | goodshit: or dnsrbl |
| 00:41.45 | goodshit | rbs list |
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| 00:42.05 | stew | goodshit: what is an rbs list |
| 00:42.09 | abrotman | Guerin: if they're good seats .. it's worth it :) |
| 00:42.25 | abrotman | !rbl |
| 00:42.26 | dpkg | from memory, rbl is Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)'s Realtime Blackhole List, a system to identify likely origins of spam. See http://mail-abuse.org/rbl/, or a general term for dozens of systems that work on the same basic principle of DNS lookups |
| 00:42.40 | Guerin | abrotman: a-reserve, second row; the best seat possible |
| 00:42.57 | abrotman | Guerin: he could spit on you! |
| 00:43.07 | Guerin | abrotman: the other options are a 400 road trip to christchurch |
| 00:43.11 | Guerin | $400 |
| 00:43.15 | sussudio | %spit |
| 00:43.23 | dvs | !hork |
| 00:43.23 | dpkg | [hork] bork or break |
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| 00:45.41 | nofxx | can someone give me a hand on this? just some advice .. and what to read maybe.. I m very lost.. and iptables docs scares..... here it go: my evil plan: http://wiki.nofxx.com/code:unix:gateway |
| 00:46.00 | Guerin | wtf |
| 00:46.30 | Guerin | !iptables.sh |
| 00:46.33 | Guerin | !iptables.txt |
| 00:46.37 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 00:46.37 | dpkg | iptables is, like, the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 00:47.14 | Guerin | dpkg, iptables.sh is for a flexible general-purpose firewall, hack on http://feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.txt |
| 00:47.14 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 00:47.26 | Guerin | nofxx: ↑ |
| 00:47.37 | abrotman | weird.. listkeys said it was already there .. oh well |
| 00:47.44 | Guerin | hm, funky |
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| 00:50.05 | nofxx | Guerin, yea... i know.. I just dont know how to use it... and if the schematics of the thing is right.... |
| 00:50.18 | nofxx | just wanna do it right.. and learn what i can.. |
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| 00:51.41 | abrotman | karsten: you live in CA |
| 00:51.57 | karsten | abrotman: That's why they call it living. |
| 00:52.14 | abrotman | outside ? |
| 00:53.32 | ben_goodger | wewt for GB |
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| 00:53.42 | nofxx | Guerin, hmm... ty.. something to start from... |
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| 00:59.05 | DaRtH_VaDeR | config.status: error: cannot find input file: dlls/gdiplus/tests/Makefile.in |
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| 00:59.19 | DaRtH_VaDeR | i have that trying to configure wine :| |
| 00:59.36 | Guerin | !wayc DaRtH_VaDeR |
| 00:59.36 | dpkg | DaRtH_VaDeR: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
| 01:00.07 | DaRtH_VaDeR | cuz i want to :( |
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| 01:00.56 | abrotman | DaRtH_VaDeR: then we want you to ask #winehq |
| 01:01.14 | DaRtH_VaDeR | thx :P |
| 01:01.17 | jmd | How do I deal with the apt-get warning "The following signat |
| 01:01.17 | jmd | ures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available..." ? |
| 01:01.56 | abrotman | jmd: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 01:02.33 | jmd | abrotman: That's exactly what I've done. And that's when the warnings first started happening. Now they wont go away. |
| 01:02.45 | abrotman | jmd: which key? |
| 01:02.56 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.10 | abrotman | !apt-key BBE55AB3 |
| 01:03.10 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys BBE55AB3 ; gpg --export BBE55AB3 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 01:03.43 | abrotman | jmd: that looks like an unofficial repo key ? |
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| 01:03.55 | ccvp | hello all |
| 01:04.08 | jmd | abrotman: Pass |
| 01:04.12 | ccvp | you know what come to think of it I like this safari browser its very "metrosexual" lawlz |
| 01:04.13 | abrotman | pass ? |
| 01:04.25 | abrotman | ccvp: what does this have to do with debian ? |
| 01:04.33 | ccvp | im running it in wine on debian |
| 01:04.35 | jmd | I don't know. I've not installed anything "unofficial" so far as I'm aware. |
| 01:04.37 | ccvp | :) |
| 01:04.56 | abrotman | jmd: maybe try an apt-get update |
| 01:05.15 | jmd | It just gives me the same warning. |
| 01:05.22 | abrotman | okay .. then use the command above |
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| 01:06.06 | abrotman | there's also a debian-keyring package with lesser used keys |
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| 01:07.05 | ccvp | i hope starcraft 2 |
| 01:07.07 | ccvp | has a native linux port |
| 01:07.10 | ccvp | to run on debian :) |
| 01:07.30 | cope[dev] | nah it doesn't |
| 01:07.32 | jmd | abrotman: Yep. Seems to have fixed it. Thanks. Where's the documentation explaining what the warning actually means? |
| 01:07.34 | cope[dev] | macos and windows so far |
| 01:07.37 | branstrom | ccvp, Win/Mac |
| 01:07.50 | abrotman | jmd: it's self-explanatory IMO |
| 01:07.56 | ccvp | branstorm |
| 01:07.59 | ccvp | u see the movies of sc2 yet? |
| 01:08.00 | ccvp | http://www.starcraft2.com/movies.xml |
| 01:08.01 | ccvp | good stuff |
| 01:08.06 | branstrom | If they had something more up their sleeve they would probably have announced it by now? |
| 01:08.10 | abrotman | ccvp: do you have a debian question ? |
| 01:08.15 | branstrom | I did, it looks really good |
| 01:08.19 | abrotman | !apt-secure |
| 01:08.19 | dpkg | apt secure is, like, See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7.en.html ; apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <no public key> |
| 01:08.21 | apt | ACTION gives is, like, See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7.en.html ; apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <no public key> a good dose of security |
| 01:08.25 | ccvp | abrotman, will debian run on my Sparc ? :) |
| 01:08.25 | abrotman | apt: shuddup |
| 01:08.26 | apt | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 01:08.31 | abrotman | ccvp: depends on your sparc |
| 01:08.58 | ccvp | j/k, im just social engineering a conversation abrotman |
| 01:09.02 | ccvp | i dont have one, just x86 heh |
| 01:09.14 | ccvp | but gonna put it on 2nd HD |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | ccvp: no kidding |
| 01:09.35 | branstrom | authorized_keys should be chmod 700, right? |
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| 01:10.32 | ccvp | i havent really took time to learn about linux security, but are there equal, but if not more options then NTFS permissions in an enterprise |
| 01:10.33 | stew | branstrom: no, 600, and the directory it is in should be 700 |
| 01:10.36 | ccvp | to lockdown nix boxes? |
| 01:10.49 | abrotman | you can use ACL in unix |
| 01:10.50 | ccvp | i know ntfs like we breathe air, but im curious to learn about linux client security in a lan/office |
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| 01:11.38 | ccvp | [20:11:13] ::: Quit: (sandman) ("Leaving") |
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| 01:11.40 | ccvp | sandman |
| 01:11.46 | ccvp | whats up with the 20 seconds of leaving us? :) |
| 01:11.47 | nhuisman | where does debian store it's dhcp leases file? |
| 01:11.55 | abrotman | ccvp: don't paste in here |
| 01:11.59 | nhuisman | nm /var/lib/dhcp3/ |
| 01:12.51 | ccvp | abrotman, like in security tab, I could use ntfs permissions based on active directory OU's |
| 01:12.51 | branstrom | I can log into root with my pubkey in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys, but I can't log in as myself with the same pubkey in /home/myuser/.ssh/.authorized_keys |
| 01:12.58 | ccvp | to give/take permisisons to data files or dirs |
| 01:12.59 | abrotman | ccvp: you'd ask #samba |
| 01:13.01 | ccvp | whats the linux equivalent? |
| 01:13.04 | abrotman | ACLs |
| 01:13.06 | abrotman | i told you |
| 01:13.09 | branstrom | It says there's no authentication schemes left |
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| 01:13.23 | abrotman | and that's what they're called in NT afaik |
| 01:13.26 | branstrom | or something like that... Is there an sshd error log? |
| 01:13.33 | cope[dev] | ccvp, permission schemes are based on the unix filesystems |
| 01:13.51 | cope[dev] | you can "allowusers" "denyusers" "forcegroup" |
| 01:14.04 | cope[dev] | look those up (JFGI) and you'll have your answer |
| 01:14.38 | ccvp | im just asking because I have access to a huge pipe at some isp colo, and they may let me offer some services, and im thinking to lease/rent sharepoint portals, but there seems to be a slight market to offer shells/bnc's/vhosts with nix accounts |
| 01:14.46 | ccvp | but i wouldnt want to use debian or nix in general, because i dont know nix security |
| 01:15.04 | abrotman | kids these days |
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| 01:15.23 | ccvp | those "kids" abrotman, seem to like |
| 01:15.26 | ccvp | vanity host names |
| 01:15.27 | ccvp | heh |
| 01:15.34 | ccvp | why not profit off their immature desires |
| 01:15.37 | abrotman | stop hitting enter .. it's god damn annoying |
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| 01:21.19 | Kai | during install i didnt set the domain name, how can i set that (permanantly) now? |
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| 01:22.31 | abrotman | !domainname |
| 01:22.35 | abrotman | !domain name |
| 01:22.35 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
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| 01:29.06 | Kai | abrotman, that did not help at all. |
| 01:29.13 | abrotman | which part ? |
| 01:29.34 | stew | Kai: you are after the FQDN, which, iirc would be the first name appearing in /etc/hosts |
| 01:30.08 | Kai | none. they all quite well tell you how to display the domain name but not how to set one up |
| 01:30.23 | asg | Kai: it's done by editing /etc/hosts |
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| 01:30.34 | abrotman | as! |
| 01:30.38 | abrotman | g! |
| 01:30.42 | asg | abrotman: I am, I admit it |
| 01:30.42 | Kai | stew, the first name in /etc/hosts is 127.0.0.1 localhost |
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| 01:31.25 | stew | Kai: what does "hostname --fqdn" return? |
| 01:31.39 | Kai | the second is 127.0.1.1 slug which is the hostname. it gets it's ip from DNS. which is static. |
| 01:31.54 | Kai | slug |
| 01:32.00 | Kai | thats all. |
| 01:32.06 | stew | it doesn't get its ip from dns |
| 01:32.17 | Kai | DHCP sorry. |
| 01:32.32 | Kai | doing 3 things at once. acronyms get lost. |
| 01:32.46 | stew | Kai: change "127.0.1.1 slug" to "127.0.1.1 slug.you.domainname slug" |
| 01:33.06 | biopyte | hi. what other gui-tools similiar to ripperX are there as .debs. any recommendations? |
| 01:33.11 | stew | Kai: then check "hostname --fqdn" again |
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| 01:34.10 | Kai | hostname: Unknown host |
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| 01:35.12 | Kai | oh one sec |
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| 01:40.04 | Kai | ok thats set up right. is it possible to add more than one domain name? for instance, im not going to say the actual address, but say it was this.that.com, but its only that on the outside world. can i tell the system that it has that name too? |
| 01:40.52 | abrotman | man 5 hosts might help |
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| 01:42.51 | mmlj4 | or bind views |
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| 01:46.48 | Kai | well appearantly i have a problem. suddenly my v key doesnt work in a terminal window |
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| 01:48.44 | Kai | well in the meantime bind views does nothing and theres no man page for bind |
| 01:49.52 | feathers | Hey guys, I installed ntp/ntp-server/ntpdate, but when I run ntpdate to synchronize for the first time, it tells me that no servers can be used and exits. I've checked /etc/default/ntpdate to make sure that it references /etc/ntp.conf and also made sure that the server lines for north-america and the default server lines were tested. |
| 01:49.58 | feathers | Any ideas as to what might be going wrong? |
| 01:50.00 | rokra | Hi |
| 01:50.11 | abrotman | which server? |
| 01:50.19 | abrotman | you might have to slew the time |
| 01:50.48 | feathers | Well, the only one I've been able to connect to was pool.ntp.org |
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| 01:50.58 | abrotman | that's the one you should use anyways |
| 01:51.04 | abrotman | or .. i think us.pool.ntp.org |
| 01:51.38 | feathers | Oh. The wiki guided me to [0-3].north-america.ntp.org |
| 01:51.43 | feathers | let me try the us one. |
| 01:51.48 | abrotman | i might be wrong |
| 01:53.31 | feathers | well, that line works to set the time when I specify through the command line, but running ntpdate without the server argument still errors out with the "no servers can be used, exiting" error. |
| 01:53.55 | abrotman | which other server are you trying ? |
| 01:54.40 | feathers | none. I tried the defaults that came with the ntp.conf file. I tried only the [0-3].north-america.ntp.org servers. And I've tried your us.pool.ntp.org server. |
| 01:55.00 | feathers | All provide the same error (except when explicitly set as an argument on the command line). |
| 01:55.09 | abrotman | TBH .. i've been using pool.ntp.org for years |
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| 01:55.32 | feathers | That doesn't work either. |
| 01:55.40 | abrotman | it just worked |
| 01:55.41 | feathers | It's a problem with the program reading the command line |
| 01:56.04 | feathers | Well I haven't done anything to the program or its configuration files. |
| 01:56.38 | feathers | /etc/default/ntpdate says "NTPDATE_USE_NTP_CONF=yes" |
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| 01:58.58 | feathers | I'm not worried much about ntpdate being broken. Rather I'm wondering if ntpd will run properly if I can't rely on ntpdate though. |
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| 01:59.44 | roby | I purchased protected wma music files, I need to make these to mp3s and ogg... i have lame and oggenc, but I can't get the wma to convert to wav, any suggestions? |
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| 02:00.13 | phil3 | Hi |
| 02:00.45 | phil3 | I am using the examples on google and Its not forwarding port 80 from 192.168.0.4 to 192.168.0.4 |
| 02:01.26 | abrotman | those are the same IPs |
| 02:01.35 | asg | examples? it? |
| 02:01.58 | feathers | meh, anyhow, I need to figure out how to set the cmos clock now. hwclock --systohc --utc does not set the hardware clock to utc time... |
| 02:02.12 | phil3 | iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.4 -d 192.168.0.3 -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
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| 02:02.19 | asg | roby: the point of protected foo files is that you aren't *allowed* to make them mp3s or oggs. |
| 02:02.31 | abrotman | !info vsound etch |
| 02:02.36 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
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| 02:03.14 | phil3 | They are two different machines. |
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| 02:04.23 | phil3 | Can someone please give me example that I use. |
| 02:06.32 | asg | phil3: #iptables |
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| 02:10.13 | asg | abrotman: give him a deep fisting, it's the only way to be sure |
| 02:10.19 | abrotman | ah .. no |
| 02:10.22 | abrotman | that stains |
| 02:10.45 | abrotman | asg: i've decided that Transformers will very much suck |
| 02:11.05 | mythomaniac | blood stains too ;) |
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| 02:11.43 | asg | abrotman: 21st century movie based on a 20th century cartoon based on a toy ... of course. Might as well make 'The Cabbage Patch Horror' |
| 02:12.04 | abrotman | asg: you forgot .. it's a Michael Bay movie :) |
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| 02:14.03 | asg | abrotman: granted he did direct a PVC |
| 02:14.46 | abrotman | asg: well .. jeez .. he's qualified to fuck up my childhood ;) |
| 02:15.09 | asg | abrotman: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0471307/ (the keywords) |
| 02:15.38 | abrotman | i got it from his page :) |
| 02:15.49 | asg | hah, bravo |
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| 02:18.28 | King_Brad | okay, i installed snoopy, but a. i cannot figure out how to start it.... and B. where does it output the logs? |
| 02:18.45 | asg | King_Brad: /usr/share/doc/snoopy/* |
| 02:18.50 | King_Brad | thank you :) |
| 02:19.07 | King_Brad | no such file or dir... |
| 02:19.28 | asg | King_Brad: or libsnoopy (or whatever the package is named these days) |
| 02:20.16 | abrotman | !find usr/share/doc/snoopy/README etch |
| 02:20.16 | King_Brad | nope, libsnoopy isnt thre eeither... but when i do apt-get install snoopy, it says installed... |
| 02:20.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/share/doc/snoopy/README' (1): (/usr/share/doc/snoopy/{README|README.Debian}) in admin/snoopy. |
| 02:20.42 | asg | King_Brad: then there will be a /usr/share/doc/snoopy. Look for the README.Debian |
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| 02:21.14 | abrotman | or installed from source |
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| 02:22.02 | King_Brad | i got it :-) |
| 02:22.03 | King_Brad | thank you. |
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| 02:27.55 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:27.55 | dpkg | <{Fatalfury}> hi, do u know a way to limit the /proc directory size? now it's over 500MB and i have a very little hd |
| 02:28.13 | k-man_ | do all adsl modems require a reboot when you modify the port forwarding or firewall settings? |
| 02:28.33 | abrotman | i wouldn't imagine .. but well .. it can't hurt? |
| 02:28.59 | wols | k-man_: far from it |
| 02:29.06 | k-man_ | wols |
| 02:29.18 | k-man_ | wols, oh, it must just be the POS modem that I have |
| 02:29.32 | wols | if you portforward it's more than a modem |
| 02:29.48 | k-man_ | wols, ok, you are right... i should have said router |
| 02:30.20 | k-man_ | i knew just after I hit enter I should have been more careful with my wording ;) |
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| 02:33.13 | wols | what POS is it so we can stay away from it |
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| 02:34.24 | intelikey | can anyone help me understand this? or just tell me how to stop this error message? "ext2fs_check_if_mount: No such file or directory while determining whether /dev/root is mounted." ??? (full startup text @ http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37562 ) |
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| 02:35.05 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: you'll have to ask #ubuntu |
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| 02:35.29 | intelikey | dondelelcaro and why is that ? |
| 02:35.42 | wols | cause you run ubuntu and not debian. see topic |
| 02:35.51 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: because they use an entirely different boot system with entirely different init and init scripts. |
| 02:36.14 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: if #ubuntu can't help you, use their forums or file a bug |
| 02:36.24 | intelikey | but that message is not a ubuntu message. they don't even run a 2.4 kernel |
| 02:36.37 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: Starting Ubuntu... <--.... |
| 02:36.59 | intelikey | and |
| 02:37.07 | jetx | heh |
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| 02:37.38 | jetx | it's messy |
| 02:37.42 | wols | jetx: I hope you used a CD for that and mkfs? |
| 02:37.53 | jetx | no, dpkg --purge --force-all a lot |
| 02:38.07 | jetx | the manual method |
| 02:38.13 | intelikey | maybe i should ask in #kernel but #ubuntu is not the place to ask about that 'even though i did ask.' |
| 02:38.13 | wols | jetx: I wouldn't that call debian in the end necessarily |
| 02:38.19 | jetx | heh |
| 02:38.29 | jetx | it's interesting seeing what they do though |
| 02:38.34 | wols | intelikey: ##linux |
| 02:38.39 | dondelelcaro | intelikey: well, wherever you decide to ask, here is the incorrect place. |
| 02:40.03 | intelikey | dondelelcaro ok. noted. and the reason i asked in here was because i thought that people in here might have a little better understanding of things like that. but as you say. "this is not the place to ask" so thanks for the trubble. |
| 02:40.08 | abrotman | jetx: eh .. ask #ubuntu ? :) |
| 02:40.16 | jetx | idly... idly |
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| 02:40.31 | dondelelcaro | jetx: there's a reason to split some of them, but not all of them. |
| 02:40.49 | jetx | ah cool i'll have to look someday |
| 02:40.54 | dondelelcaro | xauth being one example of something that would be useful |
| 02:41.07 | abrotman | wtf .. runlevel 9 |
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| 02:41.58 | dondelelcaro | it looked like runinit to me |
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| 02:42.17 | abrotman | i'd guess he has to reinstall some package .. but wtf do i know |
| 02:42.40 | k-man_ | wols, its a D-link 502T |
| 02:42.49 | k-man_ | i'll never buy Dlink again - they are crap |
| 02:42.55 | abrotman | maybe not |
| 02:43.12 | jetx | gah |
| 02:43.16 | jetx | all that work |
| 02:43.25 | jetx | :/ |
| 02:44.06 | jetx | seems like i did one too many --purges |
| 02:44.09 | jetx | hmm |
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| 02:46.47 | dondelelcaro | !gay |
| 02:46.47 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 02:47.07 | abrotman | eh? |
| 02:47.13 | dondelelcaro | ECHAN |
| 02:47.16 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 02:53.06 | Kai | wtf |
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| 02:58.34 | Orion_X11 | I am downloading testing for about 2 weeks :-) |
| 02:59.09 | wols | Orion_X11: why? you don't neeed all 23CDs you know? |
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| 02:59.52 | Orion_X11 | wols: And it is still 56% away from the first dvd |
| 02:59.57 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 02:59.57 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 03:00.49 | Orion_X11 | I am using etch, but want to upgrade to testing |
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| 03:01.27 | wols | Orion_X11: you don't need first DVD either. use a netinst :) |
| 03:01.52 | Orion_X11 | wols: And I will upgrade through lenny. |
| 03:01.54 | wols | Orion_X11: how do you access the internet? ethernet? dialup modem? router? wlan? |
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| 03:02.10 | Orion_X11 | wols: wlan |
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| 03:02.29 | Orion_X11 | wols: very slow = 128kbps |
| 03:02.40 | wols | then CD1 and check what WLAN you use so you know what extra drivers/firmware you need |
| 03:03.04 | Orion_X11 | wols: download tax = 14/15kbps :-( |
| 03:03.10 | wols | get the rest you want and the upgrade to lenny when etch wlan works |
| 03:04.50 | Orion_X11 | wols: in fact I need the dvd for installing in other machines also |
| 03:05.25 | qrck | nope |
| 03:05.53 | Orion_X11 | wols: Other machines without internet connections |
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| 03:12.08 | Stephaknee | what would make my computer refuse to let me open publically accessible TCP ports unless im root? I can open tcp ports and use them locally, but other people cant connect to them. always works fine as root, exact same configuration. |
| 03:13.14 | cope[dev] | iptables |
| 03:13.23 | Stephaknee | im prettty sure im not using iptables. |
| 03:13.28 | cope[dev] | firewall, i.e firestarter |
| 03:13.31 | cope[dev] | etc. |
| 03:13.35 | Stephaknee | im not using a firewall |
| 03:13.51 | Stephaknee | how can i double check to make sure im not using iptables? |
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| 03:14.01 | cope[dev] | Staz, iptables -L |
| 03:14.09 | cope[dev] | Stephaknee, iptables -L |
| 03:14.14 | cope[dev] | Stephaknee, can you surf the web? |
| 03:14.35 | Stephaknee | yeah i can surf the web |
| 03:15.14 | Guerin | Stephaknee: which ports? |
| 03:15.17 | Stephaknee | iptables has everything accepted. |
| 03:15.25 | cope[dev] | Stephaknee, so some ports aren't accesible.. |
| 03:15.29 | Stephaknee | Guerin: theyre between 57000 and 58000 |
| 03:15.30 | Guerin | Stephaknee: those less than 1025 are reserved for root |
| 03:15.38 | Stephaknee | Guerin: i know that. |
| 03:15.53 | Stephaknee | cope[dev]: Well, it wont let me open *servers* on tcp ports, for *others* to access, is what i mean. |
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| 03:16.04 | Guerin | hmm |
| 03:16.06 | Stephaknee | cope[dev]: like, for an eggdrop telnet, for example |
| 03:16.09 | cope[dev] | ahhh... |
| 03:16.11 | Stephaknee | or DCC |
| 03:16.18 | cope[dev] | thats different |
| 03:16.22 | cope[dev] | are you behind a router? |
| 03:16.44 | Stephaknee | Yes, it's a linksys 54wrtg i think. I've punched a hole in it for everything between 57000 and 58000 |
| 03:16.52 | qrck | then enable nat |
| 03:16.54 | Stephaknee | and it works when i'm root. |
| 03:17.00 | Stephaknee | qrck: nat *is* enabled |
| 03:17.10 | qrck | not configured right ? |
| 03:17.14 | Guerin | if that range works as root, it should work normally |
| 03:17.22 | Stephaknee | qrck: on the router? |
| 03:17.24 | qrck | yes |
| 03:17.28 | Stephaknee | qrck: i'm on a NAT network. |
| 03:17.46 | Stephaknee | Guerin: thats what I would think. |
| 03:17.50 | qrck | but can't get out ? |
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| 03:18.10 | Stephaknee | qrck: its NOT the nat thats the problem. see the thread with cope[dev] |
| 03:18.18 | Stephaknee | and Guerin |
| 03:18.21 | qrck | ah |
| 03:18.22 | qrck | telnet |
| 03:18.23 | Guerin | Stephaknee: is it a public IP that we can nmap? |
| 03:18.24 | qrck | ports |
| 03:18.28 | Stephaknee | yes. |
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| 03:18.39 | qrck | look for your inetd.conf |
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| 03:18.45 | qrck | or inet.conf |
| 03:18.51 | AutoMatriX | hi folks, the screensaver 'sonar' under Gnome should be able to display networks in stead of the usual Migs and F18 ... can someone help ? |
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| 03:19.27 | Stephaknee | qrck: uhm..no, not telnet. It's a telnet-esque thing eggdrop uses. |
| 03:19.33 | qrck | ah |
| 03:19.46 | qrck | i think you problem is there |
| 03:19.58 | Stephaknee | qrck: it works as root. |
| 03:20.02 | qrck | hrmm |
| 03:20.10 | qrck | setuidroot ? |
| 03:20.24 | qrck | extra group for it ? |
| 03:20.30 | Stephaknee | qrck: ....i shouldnt have to. |
| 03:20.40 | Stephaknee | Guerin: 24.7.254.198 port 57015 |
| 03:20.51 | qrck | or for one of the services it uses which you are not a member of as a normal user ? |
| 03:21.00 | qrck | hrmm |
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| 03:21.06 | Stephaknee | qrck: It should work fine without any nasty insecure things like setuidroot. |
| 03:21.17 | Stephaknee | qrck: The same goes for anything opening a server port.......like, DCC. |
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| 03:22.00 | wols | Stephaknee: what happens if you use it as non root? |
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| 03:22.19 | Stephaknee | wols: it'll act like the port is normal for me. nobody else can connect to it but me, through localhost. |
| 03:22.39 | Stephaknee | wols: unless im root |
| 03:23.07 | Stephaknee | its gotta be some kind of security thing i dont want. |
| 03:23.11 | Guerin | Stephaknee: if you could open one port in 57000-57100 range as root, open one as a normal user, and leave the rest closed, then I'll nmap you from here and tell you what I see. |
| 03:23.44 | wols | Stephaknee: the way it's programed is shit if it only binds to 127.0.0.1 when non root |
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| 03:24.02 | wols | to what interface to bind has nothing to do with being root or not |
| 03:24.05 | qrck | portmap running ? |
| 03:24.06 | Stephaknee | wols: I'm using the same configuration as root and non root. |
| 03:24.18 | Stephaknee | Guerin: uhm, whats something i can open a port with as root? Eggdrop will refuse to run as root. |
| 03:24.23 | qrck | and bound to lo ? |
| 03:24.26 | wols | Stephaknee: maybe the program itself distinguishes |
| 03:24.35 | wols | Guerin: how do you open a port for root only? |
| 03:24.44 | qrck | you don't |
| 03:24.50 | qrck | either it's open or not |
| 03:24.56 | Stephaknee | wols: One of them is the DCC feature in irssi. The other is eggdrop. It really should not distinguish. Also, it never says anything that would lead me to believe its doing that. |
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| 03:25.21 | wols | Stephaknee: are you running some firewall or any kind on that machine? |
| 03:25.21 | Stephaknee | 57015 is open as non-root though. |
| 03:25.37 | Stephaknee | wols: no.....well, not that i know of. Nothing i intentionally installed. :) |
| 03:26.02 | qrck | hrmm, selinux policy thing ? |
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| 03:26.14 | qrck | or even ipsec ? |
| 03:26.15 | qrck | nope |
| 03:26.18 | Stephaknee | qrck: how can i check? |
| 03:26.26 | jetx | oh man this is fun :) |
| 03:26.34 | wols | Stephaknee: run it as normal user. netstat says it's bound to localhost only then? |
| 03:26.54 | Guerin | wols: running the daemon as root, I mean |
| 03:27.03 | stoned | hi |
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| 03:27.41 | stoned | whats going on in #debian tonight |
| 03:27.43 | wols | Stephaknee: irssi for sure doesn't care about root or non root for dcc btw |
| 03:28.10 | qrck | !confuse Stephaknee |
| 03:28.10 | dpkg | No, those was your hamster yesterday, Stephaknee? breeches of the republic of tibet with extra cream |
| 03:28.14 | Stephaknee | wols: yeah, i know that. That and the fact it does it with anything i try to use makes me really wonder why its doing this. |
| 03:28.45 | ice63 | stonded you need to do a ctrl+alt backspace :) |
| 03:29.05 | wols | SELinux or similar. what debian version, what kernel? |
| 03:29.08 | stoned | I'm not in a good mood |
| 03:29.15 | ice63 | ok |
| 03:29.17 | Stephaknee | I can't seem to find the port in netstat. |
| 03:29.22 | stoned | ice63: if you're serious then fuck you, if you are joking, then hahaha |
| 03:29.35 | stoned | I'll force a smiley :) |
| 03:29.43 | ice63 | joking :) |
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| 03:29.52 | Stephaknee | wols: hmmm. |
| 03:30.00 | elGuille | helo everyone .what's up |
| 03:30.09 | stoned | elGuille: I'm trying to configure apache |
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| 03:30.19 | Stephaknee | it says 4.0, not sure if thats accurate, but its etch from when it was in testing. |
| 03:30.31 | Stephaknee | The kernel is really old...whats the command to check the actual version? |
| 03:30.36 | stoned | !version |
| 03:30.36 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 03:30.55 | Stephaknee | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 03:30.56 | wols | Stephaknee: uname -a |
| 03:31.05 | wols | sarge kernel |
| 03:31.18 | stoned | whoah holy moly thats 2.4 man |
| 03:31.30 | qrck | eheh |
| 03:31.33 | Stephaknee | stoned: didnt i say "really old"? I'm not sure how it never got upgraded, to be honest. |
| 03:32.03 | elGuille | a question, does anybody know where should i look up or what should i read to start about clustering? |
| 03:32.13 | stoned | well, sarge didn't have 2.6 I think 2.6 on sarge was a weird process |
| 03:32.28 | Stephaknee | stoned: but im on etch from when it was in testing. |
| 03:32.29 | qrck | mine had |
| 03:32.32 | qrck | it was sarge |
| 03:32.32 | Stephaknee | so how would i check for selinux or similar? |
| 03:32.46 | stoned | Stephaknee: when etch was testing, sarge was stable and contained 2.4.x |
| 03:32.59 | qrck | /lib/modules/version/modules.dep |
| 03:33.10 | qrck | if it was from an image |
| 03:33.19 | Stephaknee | stoned: but wouldnt etch have had 2.6? |
| 03:33.24 | stoned | yes |
| 03:33.26 | qrck | else if you build it yourself.... /usr/src/ |
| 03:33.33 | Stephaknee | stoned: so then i should have 2.6 |
| 03:33.35 | stoned | you must not have had debian/testing at the time |
| 03:33.50 | stoned | Stephaknee: why don't you upgrade now? |
| 03:33.55 | Stephaknee | stoned: well, i upgraded to testing a few months before etch came out. |
| 03:34.10 | stoned | I see, did you upgrade or dist-upgrade? |
| 03:34.20 | stoned | a simple upgrade more than likely didn't upgrade kernel packages |
| 03:34.23 | Stephaknee | dist-upgrade |
| 03:34.26 | Stephaknee | i think. |
| 03:34.45 | Stephaknee | stoned: i should, but i'm a procrastinator. and last time i tried, it had some pgp key issue with the repository i used to get tor. To be honest, i never use tor, so i was just going to remove that and upgrade. |
| 03:34.49 | stoned | so you could have a sarge/2.4 kernel and yet be on testing |
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| 03:35.20 | Stephaknee | stoned: is that the difference? I bet i did do an upgrade then. |
| 03:35.26 | Guerin | yikes, from $325 to $561 in the last five minutes |
| 03:35.32 | Guerin | fucking scalpers |
| 03:35.33 | stoned | its n not the only difference |
| 03:35.38 | stoned | Guerin: what? |
| 03:35.41 | qrck | if he did an dist-upgrade he should have got a newer kernel.... |
| 03:35.42 | Stephaknee | so, i checked, and selinux isnt installed |
| 03:35.45 | Guerin | stoned: bob dylan ticket |
| 03:35.50 | Stephaknee | what other packages should i look for? |
| 03:36.19 | stoned | I'm ready for ya, got a can of airfreshner ready |
| 03:36.30 | stoned | just like in dogma |
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| 03:36.39 | Guerin | go away, or I shall taunt you a second time! |
| 03:36.44 | stoned | lol |
| 03:37.05 | Guerin | stoned: come on, you must recognise it |
| 03:37.09 | stoned | of course man |
| 03:37.12 | Guerin | it's not a reference to dogma, anyway |
| 03:37.13 | stoned | the damn french |
| 03:37.33 | stoned | well in the movie they played french people |
| 03:37.39 | Guerin | i thought you might have been living in the USA too long and had lost your sense of comedy |
| 03:37.41 | stoned | I don't mean like all french people that would be bad |
| 03:37.54 | Stephaknee | do you guys have a list of firewall-esque packages that i should check for? |
| 03:37.55 | stoned | Guerin: dude, I worship monty python |
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| 03:38.03 | Guerin | !beer stoned |
| 03:38.18 | stoned | Stephaknee: not really, just search for 'firewall' |
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| 03:38.27 | stoned | !tell Stephaknee -about search |
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| 03:38.33 | Guerin | stoned: hey, for fun ... watch Holy Grail on a crowded chinese overnight train |
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| 03:38.44 | stoned | heh |
| 03:38.46 | Lycus | anyone know how to use cvs repos? |
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| 03:38.52 | Guerin | stoned: a great way to make friends with and confuse the hell out of a bunch of chinamen |
| 03:39.12 | stoned | !cvs |
| 03:39.12 | dpkg | somebody said cvs was the Concurrent Versions System -- an RCS extension. ; see(cvs-buildpackage ; cvs-pcl ; cvsweb) or a giant pharmacy corporation or developed at http://www.cyclic.com/, or has a faq at http://www.loria.fr/~molli/fom-serve/cache/1.html, or good documentation can be found at http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/cvsbook.html |
| 03:39.39 | Stephaknee | yeah i can search. |
| 03:39.47 | Stephaknee | itd be nice if there was a way to search through what was actually installed though |
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| 03:39.56 | Lycus | v_v - I want to know if it is possible to download a copy of a cvs repo locally so I can compile it. |
| 03:39.57 | stoned | you can |
| 03:40.14 | Stephaknee | AH. |
| 03:40.14 | stoned | bah |
| 03:40.16 | jetx | heh... ls: libaclsomething not found ... |
| 03:40.20 | stoned | just instal a gui package manager |
| 03:40.21 | jetx | hey stonerdude |
| 03:40.23 | stoned | for now |
| 03:40.28 | jetx | ex |
| 03:40.32 | Stephaknee | stoned: whats a decent one? |
| 03:40.39 | jetx | synaptic |
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| 03:40.51 | stoned | I dunno Kynaptic/Synaptic/Kpackage |
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| 03:40.54 | stoned | etc. |
| 03:41.00 | Rusty1 | Stephaknee: perhaps the output of iptables -L -v will help , if your not behind a router |
| 03:41.05 | jetx | synaptic seems to be the most pervasive |
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| 03:41.18 | stoned | its gtk based |
| 03:41.19 | Stephaknee | Rusty1: i'm behind a router, but its pretty obviously not the router. |
| 03:41.20 | stoned | ugh! |
| 03:41.21 | jetx | i SAID |
| 03:41.27 | jetx | WHAT"S UP STONER DUDE |
| 03:41.38 | stoned | don't use all caps please |
| 03:41.39 | Stephaknee | and iptables doesnt say anything useful |
| 03:41.47 | jetx | you may herf my caps |
| 03:41.53 | jetx | nyle |
| 03:42.02 | stoned | jetscreamer/ |
| 03:42.04 | Kevin` | Stephaknee why do you need a firewall if your not using the computer as a router? |
| 03:42.06 | stoned | goddamit man |
| 03:42.07 | jetx | yes |
| 03:42.17 | stoned | whas up buddy |
| 03:42.21 | Stephaknee | Kevin`: The point is that i think i have a firewall installed and i really dont want it. |
| 03:42.21 | jetx | this is my too lazy to change nicks nick |
| 03:42.35 | Kevin` | oh |
| 03:42.35 | Stephaknee | Kevin`: so im trying to find whats firewalling me in so i can remove it.. |
| 03:42.49 | Kevin` | S, not s |
| 03:42.50 | jetx | irssi |
| 03:42.54 | Kevin` | erm |
| 03:42.59 | stoned | irssi rocks |
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| 03:43.35 | jetx | i'm converting an ubuntu install to debian via dpkg --force stoned... |
| 03:44.07 | Stephaknee | so with synaptic, how do i search through packages that are installed? |
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| 03:44.19 | regulate | you click the 'installed' button |
| 03:44.20 | ice63 | stoned: you use kde right ? |
| 03:44.24 | jetx | it has a search button or so |
| 03:44.26 | jetx | filters |
| 03:44.49 | stoned | ice63: well yes |
| 03:45.31 | ice63 | stoned: blackbox here |
| 03:45.54 | stoned | you want a cookie? |
| 03:46.05 | stoned | wanna feel more l33t using a box wm? |
| 03:46.09 | stoned | whats up |
| 03:46.26 | stoned | that was sarcsm btw |
| 03:46.35 | stoned | before you go an misunderstand me as like makin fun of you |
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| 03:47.00 | stoned | you're not obligated to laugh at my crappy jokes |
| 03:47.17 | Stephaknee | ok, synaptic basically showed i have ipchains and iptables installed. |
| 03:47.21 | qrck | how about late-night to early-morning switch |
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| 03:47.28 | Stephaknee | im just going to remove both to make sure theyre not causing it somehow. |
| 03:47.32 | ice63 | haha hmm |
| 03:47.37 | witless | hello. when booted into my debian-etch system, update-grub creates this line in menu.lst: root (hd2,0) ... however, when i boot, this partition is located at (hd0,0). |
| 03:47.38 | stoned | oh thank god |
| 03:47.39 | stoned | he laughed |
| 03:47.56 | Stephaknee | and im going to upgrade to etch tonight. |
| 03:48.51 | stoned | do it now |
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| 03:49.39 | Stephaknee | stoned: its boring to watch it do it. and its "tonight" and im planning on going to bed within a couple hours. i suppose i could do it now though... |
| 03:50.13 | stoned | umm |
| 03:50.21 | stoned | there is nothing for you to worry about |
| 03:50.35 | stoned | you simply put ona movie or browse the net or do whatever, while apt-get runs in bg |
| 03:50.48 | stoned | you don't have to sit there and watch anything |
| 03:50.48 | Stephaknee | i usually sleep through it, heh. |
| 03:50.59 | stoned | I multitask |
| 03:51.06 | stoned | its more efficient I think so at least |
| 03:51.10 | Stephaknee | its just that my computers slow and it lags a LOT during an upgrade. |
| 03:51.14 | stoned | oh |
| 03:51.20 | Stephaknee | its an old duron 700 |
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| 03:52.19 | Stephaknee | hey, can i test a dcc send to you? it's just a tiny txt file with "test" in it. |
| 03:52.28 | Stephaknee | i totally removed ipchains and iptables, maybe it'll fix the problem.. |
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| 03:52.34 | stoned | uhh |
| 03:52.39 | Joshta | any body got any experience with phpmyprepaid |
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| 03:54.15 | Joshta | when i click to create a timed account in phpmyprepaid 3.3 it just starts looping....any ideas? |
| 03:55.15 | Stephaknee | maybe i'll ask someone i know a little better. heh. |
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| 03:58.58 | Quintin | Uhm, is aptitude supposed to dump core? |
| 03:59.07 | Stephaknee | you know, i hope the kernel support for microsoft usb mouses is better in 2.6. i get some odd things with my scroll wheel sometimes. :) |
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| 03:59.56 | Kevin` | I use a generic microsoft usb mouse here, works great |
| 04:00.09 | Quintin | no, really |
| 04:00.13 | Quintin | why is it dumping core? :( |
| 04:00.27 | Kevin` | because something is wrong with it |
| 04:00.33 | Stephaknee | Kevin`: mine works great....until it decides to randomly scroll the scroll wheel around for 30 seconds or so. Only ever did it on linux. |
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| 04:00.48 | qrck | it got excited of soothing sounds in tha background that's why it's dumping core |
| 04:00.53 | qrck | lol |
| 04:00.57 | qrck | oh man |
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| 04:01.39 | qrck | ask your lieutenante |
| 04:01.44 | qrck | lol |
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| 04:03.05 | rolnyzx | what was the command to show the usb hardware and the /dev/x associated with it? |
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| 04:03.17 | cilkay | Hello. I'm using debootstrap to install Etch on a remote CentOS server. Should I keep the mount points for "devpts, tmpfs, sysfs" in /etc/fstab that I copied from CentOS into the Debian chroot? |
| 04:03.43 | cilkay | The Debian chroot is eventually going to take over the machine. |
| 04:04.15 | qrck | you shouldn't have done that |
| 04:04.33 | qrck | you don't need to keep them in you root / |
| 04:04.34 | cilkay | done what? |
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| 04:04.39 | cilkay | huh? |
| 04:04.56 | qrck | copied to /etc/fstab your chroot mount points |
| 04:05.06 | cilkay | I'm modifying it. |
| 04:05.15 | qrck | just move them to the /etc/fstab in your chroot |
| 04:05.17 | witless | this isn't doing anything for me: /msg dpkg paster is it because i have PMs disabled? |
| 04:05.28 | cilkay | I'm aware that my chroot mount isn't the same thing as the real root. |
| 04:05.36 | qrck | oh ok |
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| 04:06.14 | cilkay | I just copied the /etc/fstab from the CentOS host so that I don't have to type all that stuff all over again. |
| 04:06.19 | Quintin | after a reboot still segfaulting |
| 04:06.19 | Quintin | wtf |
| 04:06.22 | cilkay | I'm modifying to suit. |
| 04:06.34 | cilkay | Reboot wouldn't fix a segfault problem. |
| 04:06.59 | qrck | it's some package not got unpacked right or some binary screwed |
| 04:07.12 | qrck | most likely some libs.... |
| 04:07.25 | witless | could someone with some grub expertise take a look at this: http://pastebin.com/933141 |
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| 04:08.34 | cilkay | Are devpts, tmpfs, and sysfs used in Debian Etch? Someone must be running Etch that has been installed conventionally. |
| 04:08.53 | Stephaknee | hey? would you believe this? uninstalling iptables and ipchains fixed my problem. even though they appeared to have no rules set up in them that would do anything... |
| 04:08.54 | qrck | yes they are |
| 04:09.05 | qrck | they are all set up and running on mine |
| 04:09.30 | cilkay | qrck: and you did a conventional installation and didn't muck around with /etc/fstab? |
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| 04:10.02 | qrck | cilkay, yes i did not alter fstab for that, did not specify that proc has to be mounted on /proc etc.... |
| 04:10.17 | qrck | udev mounts devfs |
| 04:10.23 | cilkay | ok, thanks |
| 04:10.59 | jetx | hey what package is grep in... and yes i know how to search, but there is an inability atm... |
| 04:11.05 | cilkay | I don't have any of that in the Etch system that I'm using here but this was installed via debootstrap over FC6. |
| 04:11.10 | ysomn | could you please give me pointer to docs or ref that points to ways to protect or harden a debian server |
| 04:11.12 | qrck | coreutils ? |
| 04:11.15 | qrck | or so |
| 04:11.17 | jetx | !info grep |
| 04:11.19 | cilkay | That could explain why my DVD burner isn't working. |
| 04:11.42 | jetx | ysomn: there is a package called harden... not sure how good it is... see also selinux |
| 04:11.59 | jetx | ysomn: among other methods |
| 04:12.02 | dpkg | grep: (GNU grep, egrep and fgrep), section utils, is required. Version: 2.5.1.ds2-6 (sid), Packaged size: 142 kB, Installed size: 644 kB |
| 04:12.17 | jetx | !find grep |
| 04:12.18 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'grep' (14): agrep ;; cmigrep ;; grep ;; grep-dctrl ;; grepcidr ;; grepmail ;; gtkgrepmail ;; libagrep-ocaml ;; libagrep-ocaml-dev ;; mboxgrep ;; ngrep ;; pcregrep ;; sgrep ;; tre-agrep. |
| 04:12.18 | cilkay | ysomn: Bastille Linux project... I'm pretty sure there is a .deb for it. |
| 04:12.23 | qrck | it's the grep package |
| 04:12.28 | jetx | ah |
| 04:12.33 | jetx | thanks |
| 04:12.46 | jetx | grep: not found :/ |
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| 04:12.49 | ysomn | I would also like to protect the boot so that is is not easily changed by playing with lilo or grup at boot time |
| 04:12.50 | qrck | there's a transition package grep-dctrl too |
| 04:12.52 | jetx | but that's another story |
| 04:13.01 | jetx | you can pw protect both grub and lilo |
| 04:13.06 | mlowe | how do i put iso install image on usb stick and make it bottable ? |
| 04:13.10 | Stephaknee | hmm, actually, it seems DCC works but eggdrop still isnt listening. |
| 04:13.11 | jetx | in their respective confs |
| 04:13.48 | jetx | dd if=/path/to/image.iso of=/dev/sda1 or so... sda1 may be incorrect for your system |
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| 04:14.14 | jetx | you can also hide the grub boot menu |
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| 04:14.30 | jetx | as well as set timeout to 0 |
| 04:14.50 | mlowe | thank you |
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| 04:18.01 | cilkay | ysomn: one of the better system hardening scripts I've found is Mandriva's msec. I think a friend ported it to Ubuntu so there might be something on Debian too. |
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| 04:24.56 | craigevil | Bastille is rather nice and easy to set up |
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| 04:31.18 | jetx | !test |
| 04:31.18 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 04:31.47 | cilkay | I'm using software RAID and LVM but I left the initial 100M of both disks as conventional non-RAID drives for /boot and a backup for /boot. Is it possible to have GRUB installed on the mbr for both /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 so that if sda1 fails, I can boot from sdb1? |
| 04:32.45 | cilkay | Actually, I'm not sure what would happen to the RAID set if sda failed. The two drives are mirrored. |
| 04:32.50 | jetx | !info debtags |
| 04:32.52 | dpkg | debtags: (Enables support for package tags), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.7.1 (sid), Packaged size: 559 kB, Installed size: 888 kB |
| 04:33.14 | cilkay | It should be able to run with one half of the mirror down. |
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| 04:34.47 | jetx | hey is apt-get autoremove a debian or an debian/ubuntu thing |
| 04:34.52 | jetx | err otherway |
| 04:34.59 | jetx | hey is apt-get autoremove a debian thing? |
| 04:35.20 | Decepticon | i did 'touch myself' and it didnt complain... but i dont have a file |
| 04:35.33 | Decepticon | called myself anywhere.. so i did 'locate myself' and it didnt find anything |
| 04:35.42 | jetx | try updatedb |
| 04:35.43 | Decepticon | what did i touch then? O_o |
| 04:35.48 | jetx | then locate |
| 04:35.55 | Decepticon | oh its up to date |
| 04:36.05 | jetx | seems that way |
| 04:36.10 | jetx | maybe a magnifying glass... |
| 04:36.20 | Decepticon | ... ouch |
| 04:36.26 | craigevil | jetx: autoremove is in the new apt, but from reports it tends to remove things like Xorg |
| 04:36.28 | Decepticon | that was unnecesssary |
| 04:36.40 | jetx | habit |
| 04:36.45 | Decepticon | :'( |
| 04:36.45 | jetx | thankee craigevil |
| 04:37.01 | craigevil | at least if your running Sid it doesn't play nice |
| 04:39.23 | gpm | s/your/you're |
| 04:39.30 | gpm | grammar nazi inda 'ouse! |
| 04:42.48 | karsten | !love gpm |
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| 04:49.31 | branstrom | Is there a way to color input lines differently than the output, in SSH sessions? |
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| 04:51.01 | jngu1 | Hi folks |
| 04:51.31 | jngu1 | I've been looking, and I know I've done this before... but it keeps complaining that nvidia-kernel-common is missing. |
| 04:51.41 | wireddd | something is listing on port 788 on my machine. how can I figure out what it is? |
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| 04:52.05 | tralala | wireddd, netstat -l -p |
| 04:52.23 | nomasteryoda | netstat -l -p |grep 788 |
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| 04:52.38 | penos | hello my fellow bashers. here is PLY v0.1 sneek preview. you can get it from http://www.geocities.com/ggggunit7777/ . someone here requested that i should keep him posted about my project. PLY(stands for Primitive Lex Yacc) is basically a code generator and an interpreter written in bash to be run in bash |
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| 04:52.48 | wireddd | rpc.mountd it seems |
| 04:53.12 | Gnea | oh wow |
| 04:54.25 | wireddd | are you wowing about me or penos? |
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| 04:54.59 | ysomn | what the difference between debian etch and debian, and what are their respective last kernel releases |
| 04:55.07 | Gnea | penos |
| 04:55.13 | tralala | ysomn, etch is debian |
| 04:55.16 | Gnea | !branch |
| 04:55.16 | dpkg | branch is probably what version of Debian you're using; etch/stable, lenny/testing, sid/unstable, or see !version |
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| 04:55.53 | Azar | ysomn: the Debian 4.0 Etch - stable uses the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 04:56.11 | Azar | good evening mister Gnea :) |
| 04:56.23 | Gnea | ysomn: basically, debian is the name of the distro, like linux is the name of linux, a generic and broad name... etch is the name of a release of debian, same with sarge, woody, sid and so on |
| 04:56.33 | Gnea | !beer Azar |
| 04:56.40 | Azar | yummmm |
| 04:56.49 | Gnea | cheers :) |
| 04:56.55 | ysomn | I thought that debian + Selinux = Etch |
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| 04:57.16 | Gnea | uh, selinux is a framework |
| 04:57.22 | Gnea | so no |
| 04:57.25 | Gnea | !etch |
| 04:57.25 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 04:57.31 | Azar | ysomn: no, Debian basically comes with three flavors.. for beginner, advanced, and pro-s |
| 04:57.34 | Gnea | !selinux |
| 04:57.34 | dpkg | i heard selinux is NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
| 04:58.13 | tralala | Azar, I'd like to call them sane, advanterous and mad |
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| 04:58.18 | cast | !ops Linda^is^a^geniu is onjoin spamming |
| 04:58.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cast complains about: Linda^is^a^geniu is onjoin spamming |
| 04:58.26 | Azar | tralala: hahaha well pointed |
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| 04:58.36 | *** kick/#debian [Linda^is^a^geniu!i=~m|ptrS|@69.155.45.53] by peterS (meh.) |
| 04:58.37 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 04:58.42 | peterS | thanks cast |
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| 04:58.49 | Azar | thank you peterS :) |
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| 04:59.29 | Azar | ... someone's bot |
| 05:00.43 | Gnea | lol |
| 05:01.47 | qrck | para |
| 05:01.49 | qrck | noid |
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| 05:07.13 | Azar | finally I found a decent site where I can buy Etch CDs only 5 of them! |
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| 05:07.52 | westyvw | Can anyone help me with a debconf issue? |
| 05:07.57 | karsten | Azar: Yeah, but do they sell the etch install punchcard deck? |
| 05:08.07 | Gnea | westyvw: not if we don't know what the issue is |
| 05:08.11 | karsten | westyvw: Just ask. |
| 05:08.12 | westyvw | output is term is not set so the dialog is not usable |
| 05:08.20 | karsten | !tell westyvw about ask |
| 05:08.27 | westyvw | been like that for weeks, looking google looking everywhere, man etc |
| 05:08.52 | Gnea | westyvw: what are you using debconf for? |
| 05:08.56 | westyvw | yeah ok been awhile |
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| 05:09.10 | westyvw | debconf is launching during dpgk |
| 05:09.15 | westyvw | from apt-get |
| 05:09.24 | Gnea | and apt-get is being used for...? |
| 05:09.30 | Azar | karsten: http://www.osdisc.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi/products/linux/debian/inst_pc_5.html |
| 05:09.50 | westyvw | apt-get update, install etc |
| 05:09.59 | westyvw | or synaptic for that matter |
| 05:10.15 | karsten | Azar: *5* disks only? |
| 05:10.16 | Gnea | westyvw: can you turn on verbosity and pastebin the error? |
| 05:10.16 | Azar | karsten: my honest opinion, is ridiculous to sell/buy 21CDs for say around $35.00 when in fact I will only use the 1st CD to install |
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| 05:10.38 | Azar | karsten: I guess they only include the basic + gnome and kde |
| 05:10.53 | westyvw | tried dpkg-reconfigure debconf, appears to do its thing, but does not fix the issue. How do I set Term? |
| 05:11.04 | Azar | I guess the 21CDs are for people without a connection |
| 05:11.13 | karsten | Azar: I guess there's folks for whom the whole set would be useful, but in general I agree. |
| 05:11.23 | Gnea | westyvw: i asked you for something, you're going to have to provide it if you want help. |
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| 05:12.36 | Azar | westyvw: you need to tell us what Debian you are using, maybe kernel version too and what are you trying to do and does not seem to work |
| 05:13.23 | Gnea | westyvw: setting the term isn't going to fix the problem |
| 05:13.28 | westyvw | I am using Debian sid, Kernel 2.6.17 modified. Using Apt-get install or Synaptic, or dpkg, I get a Term not set, falling back to readline, in the console. |
| 05:13.45 | rxKaffee | I just installed mysql in etch, and notice that the debian.cnf file includes a "default" username and login that it says is "automatically generated for debian scripts"... which scripts use this login, and what's needed to make these scripts "safe" before having mysqld listen on an external interface? |
| 05:13.58 | Gnea | oh, unstable |
| 05:14.31 | Gnea | westyvw: i run sid too, don't have that problem. what changed? |
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| 05:15.19 | westyvw | Yes, but it has been this way for a while. I understand I am breaking and collecting pieces. This has been Debian sid for the last 2 years. I know there is something I need to set or configure, I just need pointing in the right direction. |
| 05:15.54 | Gnea | westyvw: which is why you need to pastebin the exact error. |
| 05:15.58 | Gnea | !pastebin |
| 05:15.58 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 05:16.19 | Gnea | no pastebin, no help, it's that simple. |
| 05:16.38 | rxKaffee | debian really should include nopaste in the repos ;) |
| 05:16.40 | karsten | westyvw: As Gnea's tried to point out to you, if you want help, answer questions, with specific input and output quoted directly, via pastebin. |
| 05:16.49 | karsten | rxKaffee: Wozzat? |
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| 05:17.02 | rxKaffee | karsten: a ruby commandline script that lets you pastebin without a web browser |
| 05:17.34 | karsten | rxKaffee: Hrm.... How's it deal with arbitrary pastebins / sites? Or is it tied to one specifically? |
| 05:17.45 | karsten | rxKaffee: I find screen + w3m works well enough IME. |
| 05:17.51 | rxKaffee | I actually use wgetpaste-2.3 rather than nopaste though, because its a self-contained bash script and doesn't require an extra programing language installed |
| 05:18.06 | Gnea | W: Unable to locate package nopaste |
| 05:18.08 | rxKaffee | I think nopaste only uses rafb, wgetpaste has ~6 that it can use |
| 05:18.12 | rxKaffee | Gnea: exactly |
| 05:18.16 | karsten | Gnea: yeah, it's not packaged ;-) |
| 05:18.37 | karsten | Not. |
| 05:18.49 | Gnea | hrm |
| 05:18.55 | karsten | 3 chances to try a password on external bastion => lockout. |
| 05:19.20 | westyvw | Im generating the error now. |
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| 05:20.54 | Gnea | rxKaffee: i don't see a nopaste script on freshmeat or anywhere |
| 05:21.13 | rxKaffee | lemme grab the homepage from portage ;) |
| 05:21.17 | Gnea | k |
| 05:21.40 | rxKaffee | lets see, gentoo's portage says app-text/nopaste, size 3kB, homepage http://n01se.net/agriffis/nopaste/ |
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| 05:22.34 | rxKaffee | I also see a www-apps/gnopaste at http://gnopaste.sf.net and and entry in app-text with the same homepage |
| 05:22.45 | Azar | wow, Joomla is a vivid example of what happens when a community indulge too much in adding proprietary software.... now they want to remove the non-free packages, but if they do so they will die |
| 05:23.07 | karsten | Azar: License-fanaticism matters. |
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| 05:23.36 | Azar | karsten: I am glad Debian keeps up with sugar-free diet |
| 05:23.52 | rxKaffee | and apt-text/wgetpaste at http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/ |
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| 05:24.13 | rxKaffee | *app-text |
| 05:24.22 | karsten | Azar: Reading the Newsforge/Linux.com article or what? |
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| 05:25.32 | rxKaffee | so no mysql admins around tonight huh? |
| 05:25.55 | rxKaffee | that default password stuff looks pretty scary when I think about enabling listening on my external interface |
| 05:26.17 | rxKaffee | "user = debian-sys-maint" and whatnot |
| 05:26.28 | karsten | rxKaffee: #mysql |
| 05:26.30 | Azar | karsten: http://www.linux.com/feature/114451 << read it, it is really interesting, they are deep in trouble with commercial developers |
| 05:26.41 | karsten | Azar: I glanced over it earlier |
| 05:26.46 | karsten | Azar: WTF is joomla? |
| 05:26.50 | rxKaffee | karsten: they'll see mention of "# Automatically generated for Debian scripts. DO NOT TOUCH!" and crap themselfs |
| 05:26.59 | karsten | rxKaffee: Who? |
| 05:27.03 | rxKaffee | #mysql |
| 05:27.08 | karsten | rxKaffee: Try 'em. |
| 05:27.11 | westyvw | Ok here is my error with Debconf: http://pastebin.ca/580652 |
| 05:27.13 | Gnea | rxKaffee: oh my.... that is a sweet, sweet script |
| 05:27.17 | jonesy_ | rxKaffee: the script is a startup script which checks for corrupt tables etc |
| 05:27.39 | Gnea | even ESR recommends it heh |
| 05:28.19 | karsten | Gnea: Which? |
| 05:28.24 | rxKaffee | jonesy_: any idea on how to make it safe for an offsite server? from what I can see anyone on the internet could login with that username... |
| 05:28.29 | Gnea | karsten: nopaste |
| 05:28.35 | karsten | Gnea: Ah. |
| 05:28.36 | Azar | Joomla! was born in 2005 as a fork from the Mambo CMS. Joomla! is an award-winning Content Management System (CMS) that will help you build websites and other powerful online applications |
| 05:28.37 | karsten | Gnea: URL? |
| 05:28.40 | Gnea | http://n01se.net/agriffis/nopaste/ |
| 05:28.41 | jonesy_ | it should be limited to only localhost |
| 05:29.08 | Gnea | karsten: he's right, this needs to be a standard |
| 05:29.11 | rxKaffee | jonesy_: do you mean, that script should be disabled on production servers, or that ther is some way to limit what host a specific username can connect from? |
| 05:29.29 | Gnea | dmesg | nopaste <--- it's that simple |
| 05:29.57 | jonesy_ | rxKaffee: by default, that user should only be able to login to mysql from localhost, check the privilege table |
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| 05:30.13 | karsten | Gnea: Danke. |
| 05:30.18 | rxKaffee | aaaah, ok... thanks jonesy_ ! |
| 05:30.22 | jonesy_ | rxKaffee: but I wouldn't expose mysql to the internet anyway... why would you do that? |
| 05:30.25 | jonesy_ | np |
| 05:30.40 | Gnea | westyvw: can you paste the output of /etc/debconf.conf? |
| 05:31.00 | rxKaffee | jonesy_: my scriptservers reside at another location |
| 05:31.35 | jonesy_ | you should at least use some sort of encryption, ssh tunnel, openvpn, ssl etc... |
| 05:31.54 | jonesy_ | otherwise your password goes across the net in plaintextr |
| 05:32.03 | rxKaffee | oh? |
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| 05:32.10 | rxKaffee | glad you brought that to my attention |
| 05:32.16 | rxKaffee | I figured it atleast used encryption for the passwords |
| 05:32.16 | Gnea | westyvw: what version of debconf is that, btw? |
| 05:32.19 | jonesy_ | the mysql protocol isn't encrypted by defaulr |
| 05:32.30 | rxKaffee | wasn't terribly concerned about the data being read in transmission |
| 05:32.41 | jonesy_ | rxKaffee: only to store the passwords, no in transmission |
| 05:32.45 | rxKaffee | but will definetly want to jumble things up if the passwords go through clear too |
| 05:32.49 | westyvw | k just a sec |
| 05:33.01 | Gnea | rxKaffee: he's right, stunnel could do it |
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| 05:33.27 | westyvw | /etc/debconf..conf at http://pastebin.ca/580662 |
| 05:33.49 | rxKaffee | what would I need to do on the mysql-client side inorder to talk to the server thats stunnel'd? |
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| 05:34.21 | karsten | There are protocols which securely transmit authentication tokens even over a clear channel. |
| 05:34.25 | rxKaffee | I was looking at stunnel the other day for telnets, but could find nothing on client-side implementation |
| 05:34.27 | westyvw | debconf 1.5.13 |
| 05:34.36 | karsten | Eg: apop, etc., which use hashes of shared secrets. |
| 05:36.00 | jonesy_ | rxKaffee: try this http://www.edna.narrabilis.com/2006/06/01/stunnel-for-mysql-server-and-client/ |
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| 05:36.53 | rxKaffee | awesome |
| 05:36.56 | rxKaffee | you're the man jonesy_ |
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| 05:37.35 | jonesy_ | rxKaffee: np :) |
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| 05:38.58 | Azar | heh this guy has a cool "restore" script for use with a reinstall : http://www.linux.com/articles/62438 |
| 05:39.33 | Azar | goot to know you don't have to hassle with the video driver, xserver..etc |
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| 05:40.07 | Gnea | westyvw: if you have aptitude installed, try aptitude reinstall debconf |
| 05:40.14 | westyvw | k |
| 05:40.26 | westyvw | i think i had gone that route, but lets do that. |
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| 05:41.16 | Gnea | Azar: something like norton ghost would be nice :) |
| 05:41.28 | wols | Gnea: mondo? |
| 05:41.32 | wols | ghost5linux? |
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| 05:42.29 | Gnea | something that can be called via grub or the bios |
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| 05:43.28 | westyvw | ok i will try aptitude next time i can. Currently the package is in transition, so I cant install it. |
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| 05:44.54 | Kumbi | hey guys |
| 05:46.12 | Gnea | westyvw: can you uninstall it? |
| 05:46.24 | westyvw | debconf? |
| 05:46.51 | Azar | Gnea: I never liked norton.. |
| 05:46.54 | Gnea | yes |
| 05:46.54 | westyvw | i can reinstall it but only with apt, not aptitude. unmet dependencies for aptitude. |
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| 05:47.15 | Gnea | Azar: norton ghost rocks |
| 05:47.22 | Azar | yeah I guess aptitude is not quite proper for a wild kid like sid |
| 05:48.06 | mmlj4 | Gnea: g4u |
| 05:48.31 | Gnea | mmlj4: what? |
| 05:48.45 | Azar | westyvw: just remember: if you install with apt, uninstall with apt as well... don't mix like (install with apt, uninstall with aptitude) :) |
| 05:49.59 | Gnea | mmlj4: did you mean g4l? |
| 05:50.13 | mmlj4 | Gnea: why pay for software? g4u works as good as norton ghost, I'm sure |
| 05:50.38 | mmlj4 | if there's a g4l out now, that'd probably work too |
| 05:50.56 | Gnea | mmlj4: who said anything about paying for software? |
| 05:51.06 | mmlj4 | you did |
| 05:51.11 | Gnea | no i didn't. |
| 05:51.11 | mmlj4 | <Gnea> Azar: norton ghost rocks |
| 05:51.17 | Gnea | nope. |
| 05:51.23 | Gnea | all i said was that it rocks, nothing more. |
| 05:51.28 | Gnea | you read into it and assumed. |
| 05:51.30 | Azar | hehe nice pics: http://worsethanfailure.com/Comments/Crashing-Las-Vegas.aspx |
| 05:51.52 | mmlj4 | you wouldn't know it rocked unless you used it, and someone had to pay for that copy |
| 05:52.10 | Gnea | what's your point? |
| 05:52.15 | mmlj4 | anyhow, nevermind |
| 05:52.20 | Gnea | right |
| 05:52.21 | cast | s/why pay/use software that limits your freedoms |
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| 05:53.09 | Gnea | cast: that's such a crock of shit |
| 05:53.16 | westyvw | well lets see what happens |
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| 05:53.50 | uthersde | good morning everyone ^^ |
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| 05:54.04 | Gnea | cast: if someone chooses to limit their own freedom, then how are they wrong? |
| 05:54.22 | Azar | man it's late, what time is where you are Gnea? |
| 05:54.35 | Gnea | late but not too late :) |
| 05:55.03 | Azar | yeah same here, lately I go to bed at 2:30-3:00 am |
| 05:55.24 | Azar | bah... only 11:00pm here |
| 05:55.35 | Gnea | same |
| 05:55.38 | peritus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:55.55 | cast | Gnea: oh, you can do whatever you want. ;) debian is about free software - i thought anyway |
| 05:55.56 | Gnea | Azar: hrm... you in colorodo? |
| 05:57.28 | uthersde | i have two soundcards ... i want one card for sound playing and one for recording ... how should i config it that ? |
| 05:57.30 | Gnea | cast: it is, and there's nothing wrong with the functionality of norton ghost, i'd like to find a free software version, that's all |
| 05:58.48 | liable | partimage? |
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| 05:59.43 | Gnea | uthersde: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/sound.htm |
| 06:00.42 | Gnea | liable: bam, thank you |
| 06:00.58 | liable | yw |
| 06:01.03 | branstrom | How do I show what dist the server is running? Is there some command? |
| 06:01.11 | Azar | Gnea: california |
| 06:01.15 | uthersde | gnea: thanks |
| 06:01.38 | Gnea | Azar: d'oh, i'm in az... moving soon for the east coast |
| 06:01.57 | Azar | Gnea: ouch... east coast.... |
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| 06:02.11 | Gnea | Azar: why ouch? |
| 06:02.37 | Azar | Gnea: too noisy..., I like the peace and quiet of the west coast |
| 06:03.09 | cast | Gnea: what does norton ghost do, btw, that makes it rock? |
| 06:03.09 | Gnea | Azar: the west coast is hardly quiet and peaceful :) |
| 06:03.17 | branstrom | "2.6.18-3-686" - that means it's running sarge, right? |
| 06:03.30 | branstrom | Because -4-686 is etch |
| 06:03.31 | Gnea | cast: have you ever used a dell? |
| 06:03.35 | Azar | Gnea: where I live... after 9pm you can hear a pin dropping on the floor |
| 06:03.51 | cast | Gnea: yes, but i did not like it! |
| 06:03.52 | Gnea | Azar: you must not live in an urban ara |
| 06:04.01 | Azar | LA suburb |
| 06:04.02 | Gnea | cast: why? |
| 06:04.35 | cast | Gnea: uni windows boxes, i'm amazed how they can make a 3.4Ghz 1gb ram seem like a 300mhz |
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| 06:05.17 | rxKaffee | branstrom: checked /etc/debian_version? |
| 06:05.26 | branstrom | ah |
| 06:05.36 | Gnea | cast: if it's uni, then it's crap by default after everyone's messed with it, doesn't surprise me there |
| 06:05.45 | Azar | good night honorables |
| 06:06.12 | rxKaffee | Gnea: the local uni here somehow blanks/formats to a fresh image every night in alot of the labs |
| 06:06.31 | Gnea | rxKaffee: yes, 'somehow' :) |
| 06:06.36 | rxKaffee | some witchdoctorvoodoo of sorts I'm sure |
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| 06:08.09 | cast | Gnea: anyway, yes, dells? |
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| 06:09.29 | cast | rxKaffee: i was just thinking rsync would be a wonderfully efficent way to do that :) |
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| 06:09.52 | Gnea | cast: newer models use the ghost to restore the system when the registry/filesystem are corrupt beyond repair. really nice when the system is over 1000 miles away and the client is ready to smash their head through a brick wall |
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| 06:10.01 | Gigantic | !boo |
| 06:10.42 | cast | but is that a killer feature? i mean a boot floppy and zcat could do that perfectly fine couldn't it? |
| 06:11.10 | cast | i presume its reimaging the hd from some restore partition |
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| 06:11.38 | Gnea | when all they have to do, particularly if they don't know how to use a computer and time is short, is press a few keys and the system is back up and running so they can do what they need to do within 15 minutes.... |
| 06:11.57 | Gnea | cast: right |
| 06:12.00 | edw_ | how do I get the history? I just joined |
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| 06:12.16 | Gnea | edw_: type: history |
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| 06:13.14 | cast | Gnea: well, imho to write a livecd to do that, just put it in the drive and answer a yes/no dialog, would be trivial to create |
| 06:13.26 | edw_ | history |
| 06:13.29 | Kumbi | hello can anyone help me with my sources.list |
| 06:13.36 | cast | edw_: you mean this channels history? |
| 06:13.38 | Gnea | cast: if they have the cd handy. |
| 06:13.38 | Gigantic | cast: to mirror disks? |
| 06:13.56 | cast | Kumbi: throw it on pastebin if its wrong, or ask your question |
| 06:13.59 | Gnea | edw_: could you please be more specific? |
| 06:14.04 | edw_ | yah |
| 06:14.32 | Gnea | edw_: no can do, just stick around and start recording |
| 06:14.42 | edw_ | ok |
| 06:14.42 | Gigantic | cast: 'cause there's actually already a project for that... yabt... yagt... yagi! ? |
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| 06:14.58 | cast | Gnea: well you ship them the cd with the dell, if they completely bung their partition and maybe the bootloader, i don't see any other option than booting off another device |
| 06:15.02 | Kumbi | how do i add entries to sources.list? i have a base system from the netinstallcd |
| 06:15.28 | Kumbi | i add "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/ debian main contrib" to it |
| 06:15.39 | Kumbi | then when i do aptitude update it says not found |
| 06:15.44 | Kumbi | did i do anything wrong? |
| 06:15.47 | iuso | hi, i converted a sarge installation on a physical server to a xen virtual machine (the host machine is an etch install). it boots up, but i get errors along the way which seem to indicate an empty /dev: "Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console". there are nodes in /dev after bootup though. do i need to create the nodes as permanent? /dev isn't even mounted for some reason after boot |
| 06:15.48 | Gnea | cast: that doesn't mean that they'll keep the CDs around to be found at any point in time. not everyone is as nicely organized as that. |
| 06:15.51 | Gigantic | Kumbi: ask dpkg about sousrces.list |
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| 06:16.16 | Gigantic | err: sources.list |
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| 06:16.48 | Gnea | !tell Kumbi about sources.list |
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| 06:18.12 | cast | Gnea: i agree its good that dell has done this, its handy. but i'm not understanding how partition magic has unique qualities here over free software, alright - their fs/whatever has become corrupt, so $PROGRAM gets executed and reimages the hd. right now its $PROGRAM=ghost, but afaic it could be any other alternative |
| 06:18.23 | cast | uh, s/partition magic/ghost |
| 06:19.28 | bolt | eddul: I have 200 megs of log from this channel if you want it :P |
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| 06:19.40 | bolt | edw_: * |
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| 06:21.11 | Gnea | cast: what i'm saying is that there isn't any debianized standard to ship a laptop/desktop/server with a spare partition with the base system and drivers with a custom kernel for the system in the event that the system pukes. |
| 06:22.32 | edw_ | bolt: thks.. I'm on debian 2.6.7 from 2004.. and was wondering about etch |
| 06:22.58 | bolt | edw_: just ask your question |
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| 06:23.46 | cast | Gnea: ahh. sure. :) |
| 06:24.34 | edw_ | it's a laptop.. armada 7400.. 154 Mb Ram .. does etch need more? |
| 06:24.57 | CaT[tm] | aalib is sheer madness. |
| 06:25.47 | Kumbi | oh yeah guys |
| 06:25.48 | cast | CaT[tm]: caca will get you color |
| 06:25.53 | Kumbi | how do i reset the hostname? |
| 06:26.03 | path_ | nano /etc/hostname ? |
| 06:26.07 | CaT[tm] | cast: caca? |
| 06:26.26 | path_ | caca means shit in spanish lol |
| 06:26.29 | CaT[tm] | cast: even greater madness. now to combine it with xine :) |
| 06:26.37 | cast | CaT[tm]: apt-cache search caca |
| 06:26.44 | path_ | libcaca :B |
| 06:27.00 | bolt | edw_: depends on what you want to run |
| 06:27.16 | cast | edw_: nah that's plenty :) |
| 06:27.36 | cast | edw_: just don't use kde or gnome. that parts pretty important |
| 06:27.44 | bolt | edw_: you'd have no problem running the kernel and a few programs, if that's what you mean. i'd recommend a pretty light windowmanager though |
| 06:27.58 | bolt | edw_: basically what cast said |
| 06:28.24 | CaT[tm] | Recommended packages: toilet |
| 06:28.39 | cast | !dpkg toilet |
| 06:29.23 | wols | !toilet |
| 06:29.23 | dpkg | it has been said that toilet is a device which absolutely must hold 1.6 gallons of water, otherwise you will go to jail. So sayeth Big Brother. Of course, you might wind up flushing 3 times (or more), using 50% or more water than you would use had you been allowed to keep the old kind of toilets, which used one mammoth flush. |
| 06:29.58 | CaT[tm] | oh yes. that display IS rather caca :) |
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| 06:30.19 | edw_ | fvwm would run? I was thinking of trying xfce4... ok |
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| 06:31.35 | cast | i have a friend with 64mb of ram, p3 450mhz, they run xfce4 fine |
| 06:33.31 | path_ | xfce4 rules |
| 06:33.42 | edw_ | wow...!! thks |
| 06:34.05 | mythomaniac | dude fluxbox |
| 06:34.44 | mythomaniac | fluxbox rules |
| 06:35.13 | edw_ | does fluxbox know eide 40 Gigs and wi-fi? |
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| 06:36.00 | edw_ | an virige es1688 chips |
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| 06:36.43 | mythomaniac | umm that is a core feature of the linux kernel not the gui |
| 06:36.46 | cilkay | I'm trying to do grub-install in a chroot but it will not install because it cannot find the device /dev/sda1. That's because udev is not running but udev doesn't seem to be able to run inside chroot. How do I work around this? |
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| 06:37.20 | CaT[tm] | hmmm. cacaxine has issues with the console |
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| 06:38.12 | edw_ | I don't have udev yet either.. do I ? i vaguely remember reading about it being added in 2.6.8 |
| 06:39.26 | xlotlu | unf***ingbelievable.... |
| 06:39.26 | xlotlu | j-m:~# modprobe kvm-intel |
| 06:39.27 | xlotlu | FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.21-custom/kernel/drivers/kvm/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported |
| 06:39.27 | xlotlu | j-m:~# Jun 21 12:31:17 j-m kernel: kvm: disabled by bios |
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| 06:40.10 | xlotlu | bah, damn clipboard/primary mess.. sorry |
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| 06:40.37 | ansong | hi, when i run a configure script i get "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"; when i try to compile manually i get "gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory" |
| 06:40.38 | camel_ | can anyone tell me how to change the domainname of an etch installation? |
| 06:40.39 | edw_ | only potatao images have kernel drivers for eide and wi-fi..as I found out when atempting to partition the 40 gig dk23b Hitachie from eBay $25 |
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| 06:40.59 | camel_ | (I first set up a domainname when installing the system, and would like to get the same dialog again :) |
| 06:41.02 | ansong | i have reinstall build-essential in case it's jacked up, but still same error |
| 06:41.16 | mythomaniac | edw_: why potato? |
| 06:42.13 | edw_ | no cd drive on this, and no ethernet card, just an avaya wi-fi for 11Mb downloads froma belkin router |
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| 06:43.53 | mythomaniac | edw_: interesting, but potato was released in 2000? - does it have good wifi support? |
| 06:44.21 | mythomaniac | edw_: does it have a floppy drive? |
| 06:45.26 | edw_ | the 1.44 mb images had wi-fi and eide .. the Sid images did not.. so we could particion and download with only 4 driver diksettes |
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| 06:46.40 | edw_ | and \\\\then \\\ild a kernal for |
| 06:46.43 | mythomaniac | edw_: really, interesting |
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| 06:47.25 | edw_ | and then of course debian proivides nice upgrades to finally arrive a t 2.6.7 in 2004.. but I've not kept up lately.. |
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| 06:48.36 | floppypond | quick question: I just apt-get installed openvpn, I usually compile from source, but I didn't feel like it tonight. Problem is, the source always had the "easy rsa" bit to generate server/client keys. how do I do that in this case? (debian etch, 64bit) |
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| 07:00.35 | rxKaffee | is there a way to force-reinstall if a package is installed with latest version availiable? stunnel4 install didn't create its pid directory, and its init scripts don't give any output on start or stop(and nothings running in ps) |
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| 07:01.03 | alaya_ | rxKaffee: man apt-get |
| 07:01.13 | edw_ | \sp |
| 07:01.33 | rxKaffee | n/m, I'll just apt-get remove and apt-get install |
| 07:01.35 | rxKaffee | thanks |
| 07:01.36 | edw_ | err.. sorry.. apt-get -reinstall install pkg |
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| 07:36.59 | saint-takeshi | still struggling with ati drivers. |
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| 07:39.23 | saint-takeshi | just about figured it out, now...i just need to switch on hardware 3d accelleration in xorg.conf somehow.... man radeon shows me the options, but because i don't know enough about what my graphics card does and how it does it, and the manpage is written by/for people who do, i'll probably be fighting with it for days to come. |
| 07:40.15 | saint-takeshi | actually, i think i found the options in man radeon, but it doesn't actualy say what section these options go in |
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| 07:40.36 | saint-takeshi | or do i need to add Section "radeon"? |
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| 07:43.59 | hark | what card is it? |
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| 07:45.43 | saint-takeshi | radeon 9250 (that's an RV380 chipset, afaik) |
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| 07:46.33 | saint-takeshi | does the open source driver support hardware 3d accelleration? |
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| 07:48.14 | saint-takeshi | radeon 9250 128mb AGP (i've noticed from extensive googling that the PCI version of this card just doesn't like debian, but that's not the issue here, obviously) |
| 07:48.17 | hark | yes, it probably should.. do you have libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
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| 07:49.08 | saint-takeshi | yeah |
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| 07:49.33 | MoDaX | saint-takeshi: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 07:49.59 | saint-takeshi | direct rendering:no |
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| 07:50.22 | MoDaX | saint-takeshi: glxinfo | grep vendor |
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| 07:50.53 | saint-takeshi | server glx vendor string: SGI |
| 07:50.53 | saint-takeshi | client glx vendor string: ATI |
| 07:50.53 | saint-takeshi | OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc. |
| 07:51.11 | hark | saint-takeshi: don't paste here |
| 07:51.17 | saint-takeshi | sorry |
| 07:51.33 | hark | LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |head |
| 07:51.56 | hark | see if it tells something |
| 07:53.51 | MoDaX | saint-takeshi: upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin.ca |
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| 07:54.52 | saint-takeshi | hark: http://pastebin.com/933208 <--that's the output from the command you told me to run |
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| 07:56.43 | saint-takeshi | http://pastebin.ca/580802 <--that's my Xorg.0.log |
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| 07:57.17 | hark | saint-takeshi: are you sure you have libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
| 07:57.32 | hark | oh wait |
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| 07:59.29 | chemaja | wtf? http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/20/1259219 |
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| 08:00.03 | cast | windows users, what do you expect? |
| 08:00.04 | fireba11 | : haha |
| 08:00.13 | chemaja | wtf? #2 http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/details.aspx?view=info&itemid=3411347#productSpecs |
| 08:00.25 | chemaja | (the one i actually meant to paste) |
| 08:00.32 | hark | saint-takeshi: did you install fglrx recently? |
| 08:01.15 | chemaja | that windowsmarketplace link points to a listing for Ubuntu |
| 08:01.26 | chemaja | Microsoft have officially lost it. |
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| 08:02.01 | saint-takeshi | hark: repeatedly, and i can't figure out how to remove it |
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| 08:02.45 | MoDaX | saint-takeshi: which flavour are you running? stable/testing/unstable ? |
| 08:02.49 | saint-takeshi | chemeja:...coming soon: Microsoft Linux |
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| 08:02.50 | hark | saint-takeshi: yeah purge it and then reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 08:03.11 | saint-takeshi | MoDaX: testing |
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| 08:04.06 | hark | saint-takeshi: either use dpkg -l |grep fglrx to check for them or just aptitude purge fglrx* |
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| 08:04.39 | saint-takeshi | hark: slight problem....due to it being an older card, and the debian packages for fglrx being too new for it, i installed using ATI's own binaries, not the debian repository ones, so apt is completely unaware of it |
| 08:05.30 | hark | saint-takeshi: ati's binaries have the option to create debs, that would have been better |
| 08:05.46 | niru | while I select netinstall it asks for a list of counties and a list of mirrors in each country |
| 08:05.47 | niru | niru yes? |
| 08:05.47 | niru | there is also one option for manual selection of the entries |
| 08:05.47 | niru | I have a local repo that follows debian structure but not registered as a mirror |
| 08:05.47 | niru | I connect to my local repo whenever I want to install packages through terminal |
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| 08:05.48 | hark | saint-takeshi: there must be an uninstall script |
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| 08:05.57 | saint-takeshi | hark: i realize that now... |
| 08:05.58 | niru | or the installation is not done |
| 08:05.59 | niru | any solution |
| 08:06.30 | MoDaX | saint-takeshi: maybe try reinstalling libgl1-mesa-dri |
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| 08:07.15 | arpu | hi @all |
| 08:07.19 | hark | saint-takeshi: you can just reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri and see, but it's better to get rid of ati's driver |
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| 08:07.46 | hark | as MoDaX said ^ :) |
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| 08:08.11 | arpu | i have a problem with apache2 and logrotate , after logrotate restarts apache2 , apache2 have a lot of nice cpu usage ? and NI level is 10 |
| 08:08.26 | arpu | any suggestions ? |
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| 08:15.49 | saint-takeshi | still no direct rendering after reinstalling libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 08:16.20 | saint-takeshi | if i post my xorg.conf in a pastebin, could somebody have a look at it and see if that's what's wrong? |
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| 08:16.48 | saint-takeshi | see if there's something i'm not loading that i should be or vice versa? |
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| 08:17.45 | *** topic/#debian is ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testing! | /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 08:18.16 | fasta | And more importantly, how can I fix it? |
| 08:18.58 | MoDaX | wait for 2.6.22 |
| 08:19.08 | MoDaX | use 2.6.18 |
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| 08:19.32 | MoDaX | or rebuild kernel without virtualization support |
| 08:20.22 | fasta | MoDaX: any idea why this happened? |
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| 08:21.45 | fasta | MoDaX: also, I don't see any other version than 2.6.21 to install |
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| 08:22.01 | MoDaX | fasta: get from stable/testing |
| 08:22.01 | nicos | hello |
| 08:22.20 | nicos | I installed apache2 with packages and it seems it use worker.c and not prefork.c, how to make it use prefork.c now? |
| 08:22.23 | nicos | with packages |
| 08:23.33 | MoDaX | nicos: apt-cache search apache2 prefork |
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| 08:24.04 | odb|fidel_ | ahoi |
| 08:24.21 | odb|fidel_ | is it possible to check for free pci slots on a debian box using command line ? |
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| 08:25.50 | Gigantic | if there is nothing, there's nothing to check |
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| 08:26.50 | Gigantic | but you can check what there is and the resta has to be empty or burnt ;) |
| 08:27.04 | fasta | MoDaX: can I change /etc/apt/sources.lst via Aptitude? |
| 08:27.17 | MoDaX | fasta: no |
| 08:27.26 | saint-takeshi | libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_get_dispatch) <--this seems to be my problem...but i don't know what the hell i've done wrong...and why's it using r200 instead of radeon.so? |
| 08:27.41 | odb|fidel_ | fasta: do it via your editor of choice |
| 08:27.52 | fasta | odb|fidel_: yes, I know. |
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| 08:28.07 | odb|fidel_ | Gigantic: ok so i can only check for existing devices |
| 08:28.10 | odb|fidel_ | right ? |
| 08:28.13 | odb|fidel_ | as supposed |
| 08:28.44 | saint-takeshi | fasta: or, from within X, you can use Synaptic, which is much simpler. |
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| 08:29.21 | odb|fidel_ | fasta: do you see any advantage in editing sources.list via aptitide ? |
| 08:29.36 | fasta | saint-takeshi: My nvidia driver doesn't load after an automatic kernel upgrade, so unless I change it to nv, I can't. |
| 08:29.47 | fasta | odb|fidel_: Syntaptic also does it. |
| 08:29.55 | fasta | odb|fidel_: Synaptic* |
| 08:30.12 | fasta | odb|fidel_: Although, I am not sure whether it changes the file. |
| 08:30.20 | odb|fidel_ | well that was not my question :D |
| 08:30.32 | odb|fidel_ | why not just open a terminal and edit -> save -> done |
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| 08:30.34 | cast | you use testing/unstable and you aren't comfortable using a text editor? |
| 08:30.44 | fasta | cast: ? |
| 08:30.44 | giupy | do i need the deb-src in sources.list to install the nvidia-glx-legacy ? |
| 08:30.49 | fasta | What makes you think that? |
| 08:31.18 | fasta | I am just saying that I think that a patch to aptitude that adds a nice interface for adding entries would be accepted. |
| 08:31.20 | Gigantic | fasta: recompile ? |
| 08:32.00 | alaya_ | giupy: no |
| 08:32.13 | fasta | I don't need help. I can manage myself. Thanks for overwhelming support. |
| 08:32.14 | giupy | ok |
| 08:32.16 | giupy | thanks |
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| 08:32.38 | Gigantic | fasta: overwhelming questions = overwhelming answers |
| 08:32.40 | cast | fasta: one tool, one job ;). what next, an option in mount to edit fstab? |
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| 08:33.02 | Gigantic | cast: shh |
| 08:33.03 | fasta | cast: Minesweeper is already in aptitude. |
| 08:33.17 | fasta | Emacs contains Tetris. |
| 08:33.30 | fasta | Now, Emacs is not UNIXY, OK. |
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| 08:34.05 | cast | i'm not sure minesweeper being in aptitude is reason to add more crap :\ |
| 08:35.01 | tralala | I'll put a picture on my wall of anybody who plays minesweeper in aptitude |
| 08:36.45 | Gigantic | isn't emacs everything :p |
| 08:36.53 | arpu | i found out my problem anacron starts apache with nice level 10 :-( |
| 08:37.08 | fasta | Gigantic: It's not a structured editor, so no. |
| 08:37.19 | Gigantic | : |
| 08:37.25 | saint-takeshi | anyone know where ATI's horrible binaries put their uninstall script? |
| 08:37.27 | cast | i thought it was an OS? |
| 08:37.35 | tralala | !emacs |
| 08:37.35 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
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| 08:37.53 | fasta | cast: Some people wrote some code to boot it, yes. |
| 08:37.59 | fasta | cast: but otherwise, no. |
| 08:38.00 | cast | hah. |
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| 08:38.14 | Gigantic | uemacs is very good and light tho |
| 08:38.19 | tralala | I think "quite extensively extended" is quite a good beginning to describe it |
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| 08:38.55 | fasta | I like the crapload of functions Emacs has. |
| 08:39.08 | xand | I hate it. vim ftw |
| 08:39.12 | fasta | It's even better when you have all the sources installed, so you can jump to the real source. |
| 08:39.12 | RichiH | yah |
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| 08:39.29 | markus_ | i want to install dbmail on debian etch (which is only available on unstable). should i try installing the unstable package or build from source? |
| 08:39.44 | cast | !tell markus_ about simple sid backport |
| 08:39.46 | cast | or something. |
| 08:40.14 | cast | installing the unstable package on etch is not a good plan |
| 08:40.33 | tralala | markus_, check if it's not already backported |
| 08:40.38 | tralala | markus_, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 08:40.43 | markus_ | there's no backport i'm aware of |
| 08:41.02 | markus_ | so apting the source would be fine? |
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| 08:41.45 | nicos | okay, guys, I have a server with apache2 redirecting on 2 leafs. it seems that servers has got around 1000 connection /s to send back to the leafs and it has a load avg 0. But it lagggssss |
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| 08:41.56 | nicos | any idea how to make it go faster? even ssh connect takes time |
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| 08:42.55 | Gigantic | cast: !something ? |
| 08:43.31 | Arafangion | What happened to python-svn? |
| 08:43.53 | Gigantic | nicos: 1000! all of them are valid? |
| 08:43.54 | Arafangion | I had a version of a python binding installed that alloed me to "import svn" in python, but now that's lost! |
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| 08:44.45 | nicos | Gigantic yea it's a big website. |
| 08:44.59 | Supaplex | it's huuuuuuuggggggggeeee |
| 08:45.14 | nicos | thats why it hass a main server that is redirecting on 2 leafs |
| 08:45.16 | Gigantic | is it yahoo ?;P |
| 08:45.18 | nicos | leafs are not lagging at all |
| 08:45.28 | nicos | but the main is lagginggggg |
| 08:46.01 | fasta | Ok, is there any way to make sure the kernel doesn't get updated automatically? There is the pinning mechanism, but it's a terrible kludge. |
| 08:46.04 | Gnea | everyone's g-key must be sticky |
| 08:46.20 | cast | nicos: #apache folk know alot about webserveraging |
| 08:46.29 | Gigantic | maybe a zombie? |
| 08:46.33 | cast | fasta: is there a aptitude hold? |
| 08:46.38 | cast | fasta: that does something. |
| 08:46.38 | Gnea | fasta: what's wrong with having the kernel upgrade? |
| 08:47.05 | fasta | Gnea: it costs me time everytime I need to build the nvidia driver with the nvidia one liner. |
| 08:47.06 | tralala | Gnea, you're going to get all this nasty security stuff |
| 08:47.33 | Gnea | tralala: what? |
| 08:47.46 | Gigantic | fasta: but there's tty2 |
| 08:48.06 | tralala | Gnea, with the kernel upgrade that is |
| 08:48.11 | ma3x | hello i want to report a bug of psmouse.c should I reportbug linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 ? |
| 08:48.11 | fasta | Gigantic: ? |
| 08:48.23 | markus_ | thanks, installing the sid package from source worked |
| 08:48.24 | nicos | cast i think it's more server proble mthan apache's |
| 08:48.27 | nicos | coz even ssh lags |
| 08:48.42 | Gigantic | fasta: compile, install and restart X |
| 08:48.42 | user1__ | ma3x, are you sure it's a bug, not your stupidity? |
| 08:48.58 | nicos | like, when I : ulimit -n 10000 it goes back to 1024 after |
| 08:49.01 | fasta | Gigantic: yes, that's what I am doing now, but I really don't care about doing this. |
| 08:49.02 | nicos | any idea ? |
| 08:49.05 | Gigantic | fasta: server still runs and take 1 min down to reboot |
| 08:49.07 | Gnea | fasta: debian is a free OS, we aren't liable for money that you lost when you update. |
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| 08:49.12 | fasta | Gigantic: It should happen automatically. |
| 08:49.14 | Gigantic | fasta: oh |
| 08:49.28 | Gigantic | fasta: you can make an script :) |
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| 08:49.31 | fasta | Gnea: yes, I know |
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| 08:49.34 | kim0 | guys, does anyone know if Linux kernel supports PCI-express bus (for VGA cards) ? |
| 08:49.35 | fasta | Gigantic: already did that. |
| 08:49.36 | ma3x | user1__, it's the buggy driver psmouse |
| 08:49.43 | Gigantic | fasta: :D |
| 08:49.47 | fasta | Gigantic: but for what ever reason sometimes it fails |
| 08:49.53 | cast | kim0: seems like it, have a 7600GT |
| 08:49.57 | fasta | Gigantic: e.g. now because of GPL symbols |
| 08:50.01 | Supaplex | !pci-e |
| 08:50.04 | Supaplex | !pcie |
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| 08:50.14 | fasta | Gigantic: this costs time and again, I don't want to waste it. |
| 08:50.18 | kim0 | comon bot |
| 08:50.33 | Gnea | fasta: then don't complain that it wastes your time, because you outta know that an upgrade could potentially waste more time than a simple one-liner that takes less than 5 minutes |
| 08:51.30 | Gnea | fasta: of course, you could just hold the package instead of pinning it |
| 08:51.31 | Gigantic | fasta: besides, I don't see X being imperative in a hi-load server tho... |
| 08:52.05 | Gnea | !tell fasta about hold |
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| 08:52.09 | fasta | Gigantic: what simple one liner are you referring to? |
| 08:52.31 | fasta | Gigantic: Yes, I put it on hold already. |
| 08:52.42 | Gnea | *votes |
| 08:52.44 | Gigantic | fasta: ? |
| 08:52.55 | fasta | I am using Debian on my desktop, it's not a server. |
| 08:52.59 | Guerin | fasta: do you NEVER want the kernel upgraded ever for any reason, or just not new kernel versions? |
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| 08:53.45 | eifzon | what CD to download if i wanna install just debian |
| 08:53.47 | fasta | Guerin: Explain both, please |
| 08:53.50 | Gnea | Guerin: he's just a lazy who doesn't wnat to type out the nvidia one-liner after a kernel upgrades because it "wastes his time" |
| 08:54.14 | fasta | Gnea: no, because the nvidia one liner _does_ _not_ _work_. |
| 08:54.29 | fasta | Gnea: because the driver uses GPL symbols |
| 08:54.29 | Gnea | fasta: you failed to mention that until now. |
| 08:54.34 | fasta | Gnea: no, I didn't. |
| 08:54.41 | Guerin | fasta: uninstalling the metapackage (linux-image-2.6-686) will mean that new kernels of the same version (for instance, with security patches) will be upgraded, but not new versions |
| 08:54.48 | fasta | Gnea: I did mention it at the beginning |
| 08:55.16 | ma3x | are there different drivers for touchpad than synaptics? |
| 08:55.28 | Guerin | i neither know not care how this would impact on the retarded nvidia driver |
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| 08:55.37 | Guerin | ma3x: fgi |
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| 08:56.03 | Guerin | eifzon: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 08:56.05 | fasta | Guerin: yes, I agree it's retarded, and my next driver for my next hardware will either be BSD licensed or GPL. |
| 08:56.07 | ma3x | Guerin, how do I find out what model is the touchpad on the laptop |
| 08:56.10 | Gnea | fasta: i wasn't paying attention at the time. and the nvidia one-liner has always worked for me, except on older nvidia hardware, then i have to improvise. |
| 08:56.25 | fasta | Gnea: yes, for me too, until _today_. |
| 08:56.34 | eifzon | Guerin: is the DVD CD ok? |
| 08:56.37 | Guerin | fasta: there's already a GPL driover, use that instead. If you want to play 3d games, get a PS3 |
| 08:56.42 | Guerin | eifzon: fine by me |
| 08:56.50 | Guerin | ma3x: no idea |
| 08:56.52 | Gnea | fasta: i don't see the problem. |
| 08:56.54 | eifzon | Guerin: if i got x86, what one shall i download |
| 08:56.57 | eifzon | i386? |
| 08:57.02 | Guerin | eifzon: yes. |
| 08:57.04 | fasta | Gnea: ? |
| 08:57.05 | eifzon | okok |
| 08:57.11 | user1__ | bingo! |
| 08:57.14 | eifzon | Deb works good with core2duo? P: |
| 08:57.18 | fasta | Gnea: the problem is that the driver didn't build |
| 08:57.25 | fasta | Gnea: seems like a problem when you need it. |
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| 08:57.30 | Gnea | fasta: did you pastebin the error? |
| 08:58.04 | fasta | Gnea: completely irrelevant, since I know what's wrong myself, and I said that it was because of GPL symbols, and MoDaX knew what was the problem. |
| 08:58.53 | cast | eifzon: will work with the core2duo fine, i think you could even run the amd64 port |
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| 08:59.05 | eifzon | ok cast |
| 08:59.10 | eifzon | cast: i am getting netinst instead |
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| 08:59.11 | eifzon | i386 |
| 08:59.18 | cast | suit yourself |
| 08:59.22 | eifzon | cast: ? |
| 08:59.43 | fasta | Guerin: There are more 3d applications than just games |
| 09:00.18 | Guerin | fasta: yes, and almost all of them are windows applications. THough I concede there are some fringe applications on *n?x |
| 09:00.25 | Gnea | fasta: since when do GPL symbols, of lack thereof, have anything to do with it? |
| 09:00.37 | fasta | Gnea: since 2.6.21 |
| 09:01.07 | Gnea | fasta: what branch are you using? |
| 09:01.27 | MoDaX | Gnea: read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411949 |
| 09:01.34 | fasta | Gnea: it's quite simple: it says: you are compiling a non-GPL driver, this is GPL code, you cannot use GPL symbols in non-GPL code. |
| 09:01.51 | fasta | I think it's ridiculous, since I am not distributing it. |
| 09:01.57 | Gnea | i'm still running 2.6.18 |
| 09:02.12 | fasta | Gnea: I downgraded a few minutes ago. |
| 09:02.15 | Gnea | anything newer has resulted in headaches and problems not worth addressing. |
| 09:03.04 | Guerin | fasta: in what codebase does that error appear? I recall some of the linux devs were going to make such a restriction, but Linus told them off. |
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| 09:03.26 | xlotlu | that only happens on i386 |
| 09:03.42 | xlotlu | and it's fixed upstream |
| 09:04.12 | Guerin | and it looks like it's easily fixed by disabling paravirtualisation |
| 09:04.22 | Guerin | so can someone remind me what the problem is? |
| 09:04.32 | fasta | Guerin: how can one "easily" disable that? |
| 09:04.46 | Guerin | fasta: by disabling it in config? |
| 09:04.48 | fasta | Guerin: don't I need to build my own kernel for that? |
| 09:04.52 | xlotlu | paravirt_ops symbol was turned gpl-only by upstream during the "testing" period |
| 09:04.55 | fasta | Guerin: config of what? |
| 09:05.04 | Gnea | MoDaX: what a PITFA, i've been a loyal nvidia user for a longass time. at this point, i might as well go in and hack my source to force nvidia to have a fake GPL licene attached just so it will compile and work. |
| 09:05.09 | Guerin | fasta: yes, but if you're using 2.6.21, aren't you already doing so? |
| 09:05.28 | MoDaX | Gnea: it's fixed-upstream for 2.6.22 |
| 09:05.29 | xlotlu | Gnea: it's not nvidia's fault, they didn't change anything in their driver |
| 09:05.37 | fasta | Guerin: no, I didn't compile my own kernel. |
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| 09:05.51 | Guerin | oh, 2.6.21 must have fallen into unstable recently. My bad. |
| 09:05.56 | fasta | Guerin: I have done so in the past, but Debian kernels are now not broken anymore. |
| 09:06.01 | Guerin | hah |
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| 09:06.06 | Gnea | i didn't think so.... just a small grou pof rogue linux kernel hackers? |
| 09:06.19 | eifzon | does fluxbox support dualscreen? |
| 09:06.31 | Gnea | MoDaX: that's a relief |
| 09:06.46 | MoDaX | and it doesn't apply to amd64 |
| 09:06.48 | Guerin | Gnea: it's a bug in the paravirtualisation modules |
| 09:06.58 | Gnea | Guerin: that's cool |
| 09:06.58 | Guerin | just a plain old garden variety of bug |
| 09:07.04 | Guerin | nothing to obsess about |
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| 09:07.25 | Guerin | eifzon: X does. Fluxbox doesn't care what the X server does. |
| 09:07.40 | eifzon | Guerin: ok |
| 09:07.50 | eifzon | so it work? P: |
| 09:07.59 | Gnea | fasta: well, if i were you (and i've been in your shoes), go back and 'hold' with 2.6.18 for now until 2.6.22 is out and try again then |
| 09:08.02 | Guerin | it work, jes |
| 09:08.07 | eifzon | okok |
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| 09:08.20 | fasta | Gnea: already did that |
| 09:08.26 | Gnea | !beer fasta |
| 09:08.43 | eifzon | Guerin: same with wmmi? |
| 09:08.53 | Guerin | eifzon: i have no idea what wmmi is |
| 09:08.59 | ross_MoHaX | Does debian team backports new hardware support to current stable kernel? |
| 09:09.06 | eifzon | wmii then |
| 09:09.25 | Guerin | ross_MoHaX: if it's a special case, whcih nvidia support isn't really |
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| 09:09.47 | Guerin | at least, I wouldn't expect them to treat it as such |
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| 09:10.53 | ross_MoHaX | Guerin, so, there is will be no agpgart support for intel 965 in etch? |
| 09:11.07 | xlotlu | if you insist on having the latest nvidia, and can stick to 2.6.18, you just need to m-a a-i nvidia and compile yourself nvidia-glx |
| 09:11.13 | Guerin | ross_MoHaX: HTFSIK? |
| 09:11.26 | tralala | ross_MoHaX, the kernel in stable does not get backports - only security fixes |
| 09:11.36 | Guerin | ross_MoHaX: I think the most important test is: does it mostly-work as-is? |
| 09:12.09 | ustunozgur | about the nvidia driver, gpm had posted stg yesterday: see http://debian.livejournal.com/ |
| 09:12.11 | Guerin | tralala: right, in stable. But sometimes a new kernel of the same versioin will be released with fixes |
| 09:13.03 | MoDaX | I heard etch would get kernel update in the middle of its lifetime as stable |
| 09:13.05 | ross_MoHaX | Guerin, I'm not intrested in Nvidia, I'm intrested in getting agpgart to work on etch. My chipset is Intel 965 series |
| 09:13.20 | xlotlu | ross_MoHaX: there's always backports.org, but i don't know if that's reccomendable |
| 09:13.20 | Guerin | ross_MoHaX: i have no idea about that. |
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| 09:13.31 | MoDaX | ross_MoHaX: and there is always backports.org |
| 09:13.34 | Guerin | ross_MoHaX: build your own kernel using the kp mantra |
| 09:13.36 | tralala | MoDaX, I heard the sun is going supernova |
| 09:13.51 | ross_MoHaX | xlotlu, thx for link, I'll check right now |
| 09:13.56 | Guerin | woah, my brain told me ross_MoHaX and MoDaX were the same person |
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| 09:14.09 | ross_MoHaX | Guerin, no =) |
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| 09:14.27 | ustunozgur | saint-takeshi: have you managed to remove ati's stuff? I have the same issue too. |
| 09:14.28 | ma3x | how do I search for linux-image-* to list all images? |
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| 09:15.03 | Guerin | ma3x: aptitude search linux-image |
| 09:15.03 | Guerin | i mean |
| 09:15.03 | Guerin | really |
| 09:15.03 | ma3x | Guerin, I mean on the website |
| 09:15.06 | Guerin | ma3x: ... |
| 09:15.13 | ma3x | in all distributions on packages.debian.org |
| 09:15.17 | MoDaX | tralala: " |
| 09:15.17 | MoDaX | The only thing we can really |
| 09:15.17 | MoDaX | announce as of now is that we want to add a new kernel to Etch halfway (as |
| 09:15.17 | MoDaX | was already announced), the rest needs some proper thinking and discussion.". source http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/06/msg00005.html |
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| 09:15.22 | odb|fidel_ | ok thanks and goodbye |
| 09:15.33 | ma3x | i typed linux-image-* but it says Error: keyword not valid or missing |
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| 09:15.52 | MoDaX | I thought it would be single-line paste heh |
| 09:16.30 | tralala | MoDaX, now that's better |
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| 09:22.18 | test | anyone tried playing with nice levels of firefox to see if it improves perfomance? |
| 09:24.42 | Nichevo | My APIC 40(40) errors have stopped :) Switching from radeon to fglrx seems to have done the trick as people pointed out: SiS + radeon = trouble |
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| 09:26.54 | Guerin | test: why would it? |
| 09:27.17 | Guerin | test: if firefox is burning cpu time, it means you need to disable flash and java |
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| 09:28.25 | ma3x | how do I search all packages starting with linux-image-* on packages.debian.org? what do I type in the searchbox? |
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| 09:28.39 | test | Guerin, javascript? |
| 09:28.42 | test | Guerin, or just java |
| 09:29.13 | Guerin | javascript can also be bloated, but normally won't be a major load |
| 09:29.17 | themill | How can I find out what apt (or aptitude) is thinking with its dependency resolution? To pull in pdnsd, it wants to uninstall a large number of packages and I'd like to know why. |
| 09:29.48 | Guerin | themill: paste the output of aptitude policy; |
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| 09:30.20 | test | Guerin, java isn't installed , and i dont browse any flash sites |
| 09:30.46 | Guerin | test: what's slow about firefox, then? And is it actually loading the cpu, or what? |
| 09:31.01 | tralala | test, animated images eat lots of cpu |
| 09:31.42 | Guerin | but normally nice will only help if you have multiple things which both want a LOT of cpu time |
| 09:31.55 | Guerin | firefox shouldn't routinely be one of them |
| 09:32.34 | hark | ma3x: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all&page=1&number=217 |
| 09:33.34 | ma3x | thanks hark |
| 09:33.46 | Guerin | ma3x: well, honestly |
| 09:33.58 | Guerin | it's not like it wasn't blindingly obvious |
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| 09:37.17 | ma3x | Guerin, what's your kernel version? |
| 09:37.24 | Guerin | ma3x: depends |
| 09:37.47 | ma3x | Guerin, what is the latest one you had installed? |
| 09:38.15 | Guerin | ma3x: i recently build 2.6.21.5 with phv and suspend2 support |
| 09:38.21 | Guerin | phc, i ought to say |
| 09:38.45 | ma3x | and how is 21.5? |
| 09:38.55 | Guerin | it works |
| 09:39.09 | ross_MoHaX | join /#sqlalchemy |
| 09:39.09 | ma3x | did you notice any improvements? |
| 09:39.22 | Guerin | um |
| 09:39.38 | Guerin | i don't expect a new minor version to improve anything noticeable |
| 09:40.05 | ofirg_ | anyone know about overclocking the ds3? |
| 09:40.05 | Guerin | people who go looking for `it feels a bit faster' improvements tend to be gentoobies |
| 09:40.15 | Guerin | ofirg_: why would we? |
| 09:40.19 | ma3x | im still waiting for that sis900 to get fixed |
| 09:41.09 | piti | Hi. I'd like to use enbeded java applet, but I use a 64bit version of debian, and the sun JRE doesn't provide a plugin for 64 bit browser (iceweasel). Should I get a 32bit version of iceweasel ? How can I do that ? |
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| 09:41.35 | Guerin | piti: #debian-amd64 will tell you how to install 32-bit compatibility |
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| 09:41.55 | Guerin | hm |
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| 09:42.04 | ma3x | I have amd64, bothered quite a lot with it, finally reinstalled everything (486( |
| 09:42.19 | piti | Guerin: thanks. I didn't know there was a 64bit channel for debian |
| 09:42.44 | Guerin | piti: yeh. if it's dead others in here might know, but I don't use any 64-bit gear |
| 09:43.26 | ma3x | Guerin, why not use non-free? |
| 09:43.34 | ma3x | sun-java5-plugin |
| 09:43.39 | Gigantic | well, 64 is not unique to AMD... |
| 09:43.41 | Blackgoth | is there a kernel from the repo's available that uses amd's X2 on turion processors? couldnt find a K8 SMP kernel :) |
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| 09:44.07 | hark | ma3x: that's not for amd64 |
| 09:44.29 | Blackgoth | im lazy! |
| 09:44.30 | ma3x | oh he needs for amd64? |
| 09:44.30 | fireba11 | Blackgoth : you don#t need smp versions anymore with etch |
| 09:44.37 | cast | Blackgoth: debian kernels are all smp now |
| 09:44.40 | Blackgoth | hm |
| 09:44.40 | ma3x | do it with 32 bit chroot |
| 09:45.24 | Blackgoth | if i cat /proc/cpuinfo i only see 1 core :/ |
| 09:45.35 | Gigantic | cast: hopefully bigmem too by default :( |
| 09:45.42 | fireba11 | Blackgoth: what does uname -a say ? |
| 09:45.54 | hark | Blackgoth: 486 kernel? |
| 09:45.58 | Blackgoth | yep |
| 09:46.23 | mazzanet | http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2007/06/14/image/Sometimes%20asking%20an%20outside%20opinion%20prior%20to%20making%20decisions%20is%20a%20good%20idea.jpg |
| 09:46.32 | Guerin | ma3x: proprietary plugins break shit |
| 09:46.49 | mazzanet | bah |
| 09:46.53 | mazzanet | wrong window |
| 09:46.56 | ma3x | Guerin, it could cause problems to mozilla? |
| 09:47.06 | Blackgoth | hark: yes, 486 kernel :) |
| 09:47.07 | fireba11 | Blackgoth: use the amd64 kernel ? |
| 09:47.08 | Guerin | ma3x: and frequently does. |
| 09:47.23 | ma3x | Guerin, yeah I get crashes ever since I installed that and flash |
| 09:48.21 | ma3x | Guerin, well if it bothers you it can be easily removed |
| 09:48.41 | hark | Blackgoth: try the linux-image-2.6-k7 one |
| 09:49.11 | Guerin | ma3x: it bothers me so much that I don't bother installing it in the first place |
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| 09:49.30 | Guerin | cast: java, vmware |
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| 09:50.56 | ma3x | flash's proprietry too right? |
| 09:51.21 | cast | macromedias implementation is, yes, i do not know about the 'standard' |
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| 09:53.51 | tonsofpcs | macromedia created flash |
| 09:53.57 | Guerin | i thought that, too |
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| 09:54.01 | tonsofpcs | QED |
| 09:54.10 | Guerin | there is no reference spec |
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| 09:54.19 | Guerin | hence why svg was going to be big |
| 09:54.26 | Guerin | until adobe bought both |
| 09:54.36 | Enverex | Anyone else having a lot of issues with " Depends: libcurl4-gnutls (>= 7.16.2-1) but it is not installable"? |
| 09:54.43 | tonsofpcs | what does svg have to do with flash? |
| 09:55.02 | tonsofpcs | Enverex: no. check your apt repos and apt-get update |
| 09:55.29 | Enverex | tonsofpcs, Unless my repos have suddenly dropped of the planet, and I just updated... |
| 09:55.37 | Guerin | tonsofpcs: nothing much, except it was touted as a competitor |
| 09:56.00 | Guerin | *sigh*, the gcj plugin still seems to be the lose |
| 09:56.15 | cast | hmmm, where does one find the arch? |
| 09:56.22 | cast | [of a running system] |
| 09:56.40 | cast | ahh nvm. sources.list |
| 09:56.57 | cast | oh, nope. must be somewhere else |
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| 09:57.55 | tonsofpcs | uname -a |
| 09:58.04 | tonsofpcs | Linux p2debserv 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:58.23 | tonsofpcs | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.23 | cast | well not in this case. i have a i386 vserver running on a amd64 host |
| 09:58.49 | Guerin | i think dpkg has an env variable for it |
| 09:58.53 | fireba11 | cast : dpkg-architecture |
| 09:58.57 | Guerin | $DPKG_ARCH or something |
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| 10:00.44 | cast | dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 10:01.21 | Gigantic | less /proc/cpuinfo ? |
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| 10:01.33 | cast | Gigantic: read up^ |
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| 10:01.42 | hark | uname -m or arch |
| 10:01.42 | fireba11 | Gigantic : no .. and i already answered the question ^^ |
| 10:02.05 | Gigantic | srry, I had to read before :s |
| 10:02.08 | cast | hark: no, no ;) |
| 10:02.16 | Guerin | just echo `i686' |
| 10:02.33 | CyberMad | wols are you there? |
| 10:02.36 | Guerin | 686 should be enough for anyone! |
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| 10:03.23 | hark | heh, i see now :) |
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| 10:03.39 | Guerin | cast: is there a not-crap free java plugin? |
| 10:03.56 | Guerin | ideally one which will do the aplets on playgo.to |
| 10:03.59 | sonam | hi, is there a graphical disk formatter in Debian? |
| 10:04.12 | cast | i do not know. i don't use java |
| 10:04.13 | Guerin | sonam: gparted is one |
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| 10:04.32 | cast | sonam: cfdisk is graphical, in the retro way |
| 10:04.37 | ross_MoHaX | how to get all packages installed not by dependencies? I've looked through aptitude page but still no idea |
| 10:04.44 | gypsymauro | hi I've to install debian etch on a machine with an initio 1060 scsi controller but the d-i doesn't installs the driver |
| 10:04.46 | Guerin | though in fairness i think that's just a partition manager |
| 10:05.01 | CyberMad | someone told me about how to install package from experimental source.. |
| 10:05.03 | CyberMad | edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add experimental source, then apt-get update, then apt-get build-dep jabberd2-mysql, but i missed last command.. what is that? |
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| 10:05.33 | cast | !tell CyberMad about simple sid backport |
| 10:05.36 | Guerin | ross_MoHaX: get a list of packages and pipe them through aptitude unmarkauto |
| 10:05.49 | ma3x | Guerin, do you have 64bit machine? |
| 10:05.50 | sonam | Guerin, can gparted do a fat32 format? |
| 10:05.54 | Guerin | ma3x: no. |
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| 10:06.04 | ma3x | what cpu you have intel? |
| 10:06.06 | Gigantic | cfdisk just partition |
| 10:06.12 | Guerin | sonam: i don't know, i see no reason not to use mkfs.vfat |
| 10:06.17 | Gigantic | mkfs.vfat formats |
| 10:06.33 | CyberMad | ok, thnks :) |
| 10:06.40 | Guerin | ma3x: i have one box with a p3-666, one with a p4-2.6 and one with a p-m 1500 |
| 10:07.23 | CyberMad | sorry,.. 4) install the resulting debs is that mean do apt-get install jabberd2-mysql |
| 10:07.26 | sonam | does mkfs.vfat come with e2fsprogs? i cant see it on my system |
| 10:07.39 | Guerin | CyberMad: dpkg -i |
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| 10:07.58 | ma3x | Guerin, is it possible to buy laptop like that, with cpu 600-1200 MHz? |
| 10:08.08 | Guerin | sonam: why would it, e2fsprogs is for ext* filesystems. |
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| 10:08.20 | cast | sonam: dosfstools |
| 10:08.30 | Guerin | ma3x: my laptop does 600-1500 as I prefer |
| 10:08.31 | sonam | Guerin, cast : thanks :) |
| 10:08.39 | Guerin | most of the time it's in 600 |
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| 10:09.23 | ma3x | Guerin, I mean can you buy laptops like that nowadays? is there store that sells them? |
| 10:09.38 | CyberMad | ok Guerin :) |
| 10:09.41 | Guerin | ma3x: htfsik? Buy one on your local auction site. |
| 10:10.03 | va | i'm using sid, i've upgraded x-window-system xserver-xorg and a couple more packages and now X wont start. I get a completely black screen when gdm starts. Please help |
| 10:10.06 | ma3x | :) |
| 10:10.20 | Guerin | i got this T42 for under $500 about a year ago |
| 10:10.26 | sonam | so gparted uses mkfs.vfat, i can format a disk to fat32 with gparted once i install dosfstools |
| 10:10.55 | Guerin | sonam: try it and see. I would guess so. |
| 10:11.28 | sonam | Guerin, it did. Thanks guys ... |
| 10:11.32 | sonam | cast, :) |
| 10:14.31 | CyberMad | damn hehe.. running this command apt-get -b source jabberd2-mysql like an hour togo |
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| 10:20.50 | CyberMad | how to automatically do smbmount //ip/sharename /home/user/something ? because everytime the computer restart /shutdown, the mount is gone |
| 10:21.01 | liable | va: so kill x and check your logs, the bts and downgrade stuff |
| 10:21.04 | Blackgoth | put it in your fstab Cyberjames |
| 10:21.09 | Blackgoth | err CyberMad :) |
| 10:21.17 | CyberMad | Blackgoth thnks for clue :) |
| 10:21.24 | liable | putting smb mounts in fstab doesnt work |
| 10:21.30 | petemc | eh? |
| 10:21.35 | liable | mountall is called before networking |
| 10:21.45 | Blackgoth | it mounts them here :/ |
| 10:22.13 | liable | oh, it didnt for me when i tried, but that was prolly two years ago now |
| 10:22.31 | CyberMad | yes.. i confuse about /etc/fstab... |
| 10:22.45 | CyberMad | how to add a mount on it? |
| 10:22.51 | Enverex | My computer still doesn't have an fstab at all... makes me wonder how it works :P |
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| 10:23.04 | Blackgoth | hm, the 64 kernel doesnt like my nvidia driver. |
| 10:23.27 | Blackgoth | Enverex: my fstab for the / and the raid array overlaps, and it still works :p |
| 10:23.34 | CyberMad | -> /dev/sda9 /home ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 10:23.38 | Blackgoth | sometimes, linus is strange |
| 10:23.39 | Shadur | Then maybe your nvidia driver shouldn't have slept with your kernel's sister. |
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| 10:23.50 | Blackgoth | Shadur: lies! it didnt! |
| 10:23.59 | Blackgoth | anyway, anyone had this error before: NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-100.14.06-pkg2.run: line 777: ./nvidia-installer: No such file or directory |
| 10:24.20 | Shadur | Blackgoth: Nope, because I use the nvidia-kernel-source package and make-kpkg |
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| 10:25.01 | Enverex | Blackgoth, Are you in the same folder and running it via "sh NVIDIA-blah.run"? |
| 10:25.05 | Blackgoth | yes |
| 10:25.27 | Enverex | Are you using bash or some retarded alternative? |
| 10:25.33 | Blackgoth | and when i run the installer with -x(unpacking) and cd to the nvidia dir |
| 10:25.39 | Blackgoth | err, yes? |
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| 10:26.11 | Blackgoth | why Enverex? |
| 10:26.27 | Enverex | Ubuntu and such use "alternatives" that break installers like this |
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| 10:27.03 | Blackgoth | ubuntu? no i use debian :/ |
| 10:27.14 | Enverex | *sighs* I know that, it was an example |
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| 10:27.24 | Blackgoth | dont give stupid examples :P |
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| 10:27.43 | Enverex | It wasn't stupid but I'm done helping |
| 10:27.58 | chemaja | Enverex, "Retarded alternative" lol |
| 10:28.01 | Enverex | My point was using alternatives to bash can fuck up installers |
| 10:28.11 | chemaja | GNU all the way, baby |
| 10:28.22 | Blackgoth | but im not using a alternative Enverex :) |
| 10:28.23 | SuperBlockKiller | can it be that the current debian cd got issues with partitioning or formating to reiserfs? mbr is now gone the second time after that ... |
| 10:28.24 | chemaja | (except for openssh, X, Python, flashplayer, etc.) :P |
| 10:28.32 | Blackgoth | im running normal bash |
| 10:29.07 | Shadur | ~tell Blackgoth about nvidia |
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| 10:29.32 | Blackgoth | err |
| 10:29.42 | SuperBlockKiller | so it cant be? ;) |
| 10:29.58 | Shadur | Blackgoth: There's a whole bunch of debianised scripts that'll automate the process and give you an nvidia-kernel-* package perfectly suited to your kernel, which can then be installed painlessly. |
| 10:30.33 | Shadur | Damn, wrong bot. There's the right one. |
| 10:30.38 | Blackgoth | i dont want a package. |
| 10:31.01 | Enverex | Shadur, Sure, if you want old drivers |
| 10:31.04 | Shadur | Blackgoth: Despite the fact that building/using the package is all but guaranteed to solve your problem? |
| 10:31.06 | Blackgoth | i want to run the nvidia driver, which always worked |
| 10:31.25 | ross_MoHaX | "aptitude search '!~M'" gives me list of packages not installed automaticaly, how to get list of packages not installed automaticaly AND installed on system? |
| 10:31.33 | Shadur | NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 100.14.06 Thu May 3 15:45:47 PDT 2007 |
| 10:31.43 | Shadur | That's old? |
| 10:32.12 | Enverex | Shadur, That was only added a few days ago and yes, .09 is out, so why the packaged an old one I don't know |
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| 10:33.22 | Blackgoth | doh |
| 10:33.24 | Shadur | Enverex: When the latest set of drivers contain an absolutely critical feature that I decide I can't live without for even a few days, I'll consider building from source. And even then, I'll probably wrap the debian nvidia package scripts around it. |
| 10:33.26 | Blackgoth | this is just stupid |
| 10:33.31 | Blackgoth | 32-bit distributions with 64-bit kernels |
| 10:33.32 | Blackgoth | Some distributions have the option of installing a 64-bit kernel for use with all 32-bit userspace programs. This configuration is not supported by the NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver. If you try to install the 64-bit driver package on such a system, you will receive an error like the following: |
| 10:33.32 | Blackgoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.32 | Blackgoth | If you have this configuration, use your distribution's package manager to install a 32-bit kernel and then install the 32-bit version of the NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver. |
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| 10:33.51 | Blackgoth | -_- |
| 10:33.57 | Blackgoth | anyway, if you use a 32bit distro with a 64 kernel, the installer will bork |
| 10:34.15 | Shadur | Blackgoth: Imagine that. |
| 10:34.26 | hark | Blackgoth: i said the k7 one |
| 10:34.37 | Blackgoth | hark: i know |
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| 10:34.45 | Blackgoth | and yes, that works. |
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| 10:35.09 | cast | be a man and use a 64 bit distro! |
| 10:35.14 | Enverex | Shadur, When stuff doesn't work or whatever, you're always told to make sure you're using the latest version of drivers for your machine.... the annoying thing is that packages like this depend on the packager "being bothered" or finding a reason to do it when he needs/wants it rather that it being done when it's available |
| 10:35.16 | Nichevo | :D |
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| 10:36.20 | Shadur | Enverex: Or of course your willingness to do it yourself if the packager (who doesn't get paid a dime for his work, mind) is too slow for your tastes. |
| 10:37.03 | Blackgoth | hark: again, thanks :) |
| 10:37.04 | Enverex | Shadur, I looked at the source packages for the Debian packages and it seemed to have like 9 million patches applied and I couldn't make sense of most of it |
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| 10:37.45 | Shadur | Enverex: Then maybe you should consider the possibility that making the package work consistently on all architectures it applies to is trickier than you assume. |
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| 10:38.24 | giupy | http://paste.lisp.org/display/43179 i recive this with module-assistant when i try to get nvidia driver |
| 10:38.27 | hark | Blackgoth: heh, np :) |
| 10:38.49 | Enverex | Shadur, Or on Debian it's overly difficult... the Arch and Gentoo methods of installing it were very simple. nVidia's own installer has always worked fine for me (despite how much people in here condemn using it) |
| 10:38.50 | giupy | however i have sid main-contrib-non-free in my source.list |
| 10:39.01 | giupy | what do i need ? |
| 10:39.32 | giupy | can it be a temparaly mirror problem ? |
| 10:39.46 | ross_MoHaX | "aptitude search '!~M'" gives me list of packages not installed automaticaly, how to get list of packages not installed automaticaly AND installed on system? |
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| 10:40.08 | cast | ross_MoHaX: diff? |
| 10:40.53 | cast | ross_MoHaX: oh, my bad. read part of that inverted |
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| 10:41.13 | rambo3 | !seen life |
| 10:41.13 | dpkg | life <n=Tommy@189.146.45.223> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 91d 6h 29m 37s ago, saying: 'great, thanks a lot DawnLight :)'. |
| 10:41.13 | Jerom457 | Haven't Seen life |
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| 10:41.41 | hark | ross_MoHaX: try adding ~i |
| 10:41.43 | vin` | ross_MoHaX: add ~i as well? |
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| 10:43.07 | ross_MoHaX | cast, I need to use some AND, OR logic in aptitude search engine. |
| 10:44.00 | ross_MoHaX | hark, vin` : aptitude search '!~M'~i give me a lot of libs which was definetly installed automaticaly via dependencies |
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| 10:48.09 | cast | ross_MoHaX: make a txt file of currently installed packages, make a txt file of not installed automatically packages. |
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| 10:49.01 | cast | ross_MoHaX: then we can solve the 'what are the common lines between these two files?' problem |
| 10:50.18 | cast | perl -ne 'print if ($seen{$_} .= @ARGV) =~ /10$/' fileA fileB >output google says does t hat |
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| 10:56.50 | endra | marhaba |
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| 11:03.58 | romano2k | hi everyone! |
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| 11:04.12 | romano2k | i'm not managing to dist upgrade my debian sid to lenny |
| 11:04.29 | romano2k | i'm having a problem with debianutils |
| 11:04.29 | liable | thats not an upgrade |
| 11:04.36 | liable | its a downgrade |
| 11:04.44 | romano2k | what do you mean ? |
| 11:04.49 | romano2k | i'm in testing |
| 11:04.58 | romano2k | and i'm just trying to apt-get update in fact |
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| 11:05.09 | blinx | http://dpaste.com/12675/ |
| 11:05.10 | liable | sid is unstable lenny is testing sid>lenny |
| 11:05.25 | endra | sid is the unstable kid who blows up dolls in his backyard |
| 11:05.31 | romano2k | i'm testing, sorry |
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| 11:05.38 | blinx | i'm sid |
| 11:05.41 | endra | romano2k: which testing? |
| 11:05.55 | blinx | I want to install kaffeine from svn |
| 11:05.55 | romano2k | endra: how should i know? |
| 11:05.58 | endra | romano2k: .. etch was testing, its now stable, and lenny is now testing |
| 11:06.01 | blinx | but this error http://dpaste.com/12675/ |
| 11:06.07 | endra | romano2k: mm good question, cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:06.14 | endra | Do you see anything like etch/main in there? |
| 11:06.22 | romano2k | "testing main" |
| 11:06.26 | romano2k | endra: nop |
| 11:06.41 | romano2k | i just see "testing" and it's been like that for monthes |
| 11:06.42 | endra | then I think you are at lenny.. since testing refers to the latest testing, whatever it may be |
| 11:06.55 | endra | But I haven't been using debian long enough to be certain |
| 11:06.55 | romano2k | i think so too |
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| 11:07.06 | romano2k | but i haven't upgraded for a while |
| 11:07.13 | romano2k | so it seems that i'm between the two |
| 11:07.28 | nyk2005 | What do I have to to to habe apache2 listen on port 443? I have mod_ssl enabled and a vserver set up for https. |
| 11:07.33 | endra | just do aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade && aptitude upgrade |
| 11:07.37 | endra | that should do it. i think |
| 11:08.02 | romano2k | endra: that's exactly what i'm trying to do |
| 11:08.02 | alaya_ | nyk2005: edit ports.conf |
| 11:08.08 | endra | nyk2005: setup the port on 443 in the config, not sure exactly where in the config but it is in there somewhere (ports.cfg) |
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| 11:08.24 | nyk2005 | like Listen 80 443 |
| 11:08.32 | nyk2005 | or Listen 80; Listen 443 ? |
| 11:08.56 | endra | Listen 443 |
| 11:09.08 | nyk2005 | the second.. |
| 11:09.09 | nyk2005 | jep |
| 11:09.31 | nyk2005 | NICE!! |
| 11:09.34 | nyk2005 | thanks a lot |
| 11:09.36 | romano2k | endra: there's a problem with the debianutils package during the dist-upgrade |
| 11:09.44 | romano2k | and it stops the dist-upgrade |
| 11:09.47 | nyk2005 | stange, my last debian install didnt have that problem... |
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| 11:11.50 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.59 | petemc | thats a lot of windows |
| 11:12.03 | azeem | oops. |
| 11:12.07 | petemc | i try and keep it < 20 |
| 11:12.32 | alaya_ | you have to reference them all by number? uck |
| 11:12.43 | cast | haha @ remembering |
| 11:12.53 | cast | i just hit alt-a alot |
| 11:13.13 | cast | [which only works if you only respond to things |
| 11:13.34 | petemc | alaya_: how you reference a large number of windows ? |
| 11:13.35 | alaya_ | i just click on the labeled tab :-) |
| 11:14.08 | petemc | i use meta 1 - 10 / q - p |
| 11:14.18 | petemc | thats why i try to keep it under 20 |
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| 11:15.16 | waltercool | hello there! |
| 11:15.45 | waltercool | i have a problem installing debian... someone can drop me a hand? |
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| 11:15.54 | petemc | waltercool: just state your problem |
| 11:16.06 | romano2k | nobody's able to help me with my dist-upgrade problem? |
| 11:16.30 | Asmodee` | Does anyone happen to know what package libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 is contained in? I have a binary that requires it and I am not able to recompile it. This is a fairly old binary (maybe 5 years old) and I need to run it on my current debian system. Any help would be appreciated. |
| 11:16.51 | waltercool | petemc: I have downloaded businesscard version, i have in pendrive with syslinux, but dont load me the iso file (appear) |
| 11:16.52 | Lynoure | romano2k: I could not figure out even what error it gives you... |
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| 11:17.10 | rambo3 | !find libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 11:17.16 | Lynoure | romano2k: I guess you did not include it? |
| 11:17.20 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3' returned no results. |
| 11:17.21 | waltercool | petemc: I have a error detecting cdrom :S |
| 11:17.41 | blinx | !find libstdc++ |
| 11:17.42 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libstdc++' (15 of 21): libstdc++2.10-dbg ;; libstdc++2.10-dev ;; libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ;; libstdc++5 ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dbg ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dev ;; libstdc++5-3.3-doc ;; libstdc++5-3.3-pic ;; libstdc++6 ;; libstdc++6-4.1-dbg ;; libstdc++6-4.1-dev ;; libstdc++6-4.1-doc ;; libstdc++6-4.1-pic ;; libstdc++6-4.2-dbg ;; libstdc++6-4.2-dev. |
| 11:17.51 | petemc | waltercool: is your cdrom a normal ide device? |
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| 11:18.26 | waltercool | petemc: My cdrom is my pendrive in this case... all in .iso file |
| 11:18.37 | alaya_ | waltercool: usb key? |
| 11:18.40 | romano2k | Lynoure: http://pastebin.ca/581079 |
| 11:18.43 | waltercool | yes alaya_ |
| 11:18.59 | romano2k | it's in french, is there a way to get everything in english quickly? |
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| 11:19.39 | Asmodee` | blinx: when I apt-get install libstdc++6 it tells me I already have the newest version... is it safe to install older versions? |
| 11:19.46 | waltercool | and installer dont detect me my lan :S |
| 11:19.52 | alaya_ | waltercool: go to debian installer page and find the installation guide. it has a whole section on setting it up on usb key |
| 11:20.08 | hark | romano2k: LANG=C command |
| 11:20.12 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 11:20.13 | dpkg | [usb-install] Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 11:20.13 | waltercool | alaya_: I follow the debian guide :S |
| 11:20.20 | alaya_ | waltercool: i never tried it with the businesscard, but know it works well with netinst |
| 11:20.33 | abrotman | romano2k: babelfish.altavista.com will make a reasonable attempt |
| 11:20.43 | abrotman | !eat pseubodot |
| 11:20.59 | romano2k | hark: how to go back to french after? :) |
| 11:21.09 | waltercool | i followed that manual, and another very simmilar in debian webpage... |
| 11:21.14 | waltercool | and same error |
| 11:21.29 | HostilePenguin | what is the eror? |
| 11:21.33 | romano2k | http://pastebin.ca/581083 <- now in english |
| 11:21.36 | abrotman | romano2k: eh .. nm |
| 11:22.05 | abrotman | !tell romano2k about overwrite |
| 11:22.13 | waltercool | dont detect me my cdrom :S and lan dispositives. |
| 11:22.17 | waltercool | devices |
| 11:22.19 | waltercool | sorry |
| 11:22.38 | petemc | waltercool: you should probably stop calling an iso on a usb stick a cdrom |
| 11:22.46 | petemc | its abit misleading |
| 11:23.12 | waltercool | petemc: But guide tell that... u recommend me what? |
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| 11:23.29 | alaya_ | or does he really mean cdrom` in which case why does he need it during the install? |
| 11:23.31 | HostilePenguin | wow |
| 11:23.34 | petemc | waltercool: usb key/stick |
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| 11:23.48 | petemc | alaya_: yes, it is confusing |
| 11:24.12 | alaya_ | waltercool: if you have a usb with installer on it, you don't need a cdrom |
| 11:24.16 | Kumbi | how do i invoke the DHCP client in debian |
| 11:24.20 | waltercool | but installer have the option with iso9660 :S |
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| 11:24.33 | N`Kr1pt | Hi guys, I installed samba on my Etch server and I created some users, but I can't find the file where samba keeps the data. I would like to get an overview of every samba user tahta exists |
| 11:24.35 | waltercool | but installer call cdrom like data files |
| 11:24.36 | abrotman | Kumbi: dhclient |
| 11:24.54 | alaya_ | waltercool: no installer should run completely from usb key |
| 11:24.55 | Kumbi | so it's dhclient eth0? |
| 11:25.06 | abrotman | if that's the device |
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| 11:25.29 | waltercool | but, soo... what u recommend me? i followed that manual |
| 11:26.21 | alaya_ | waltercool: just do a net install using the usb key |
| 11:26.30 | romano2k | abrotman: dist-upgrade is going forward, thank you |
| 11:26.44 | waltercool | that i do xD |
| 11:26.56 | waltercool | i put my pendrive, boot my pendrive... |
| 11:27.02 | alaya_ | waltercool: i guess you could put the full CD on it also |
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| 11:27.13 | Lynoure | romano2k: Anteeksi en osaa ranskaa (sorry, I don't speak French) |
| 11:27.32 | romano2k | Lynoure: didn't understood |
| 11:27.35 | waltercool | alaya_: Using cd is not the same... xD |
| 11:27.55 | Lynoure | romano2k: you pastebin entry had the error in French. Or maybe it was some related language |
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| 11:28.18 | romano2k | Lynoure: I updated it in english :] |
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| 11:28.42 | romano2k | hark: how should I go back to french? |
| 11:28.58 | Lynoure | romano2k: this one http://pastebin.ca/581079 ? really? |
| 11:29.01 | abrotman | it should be back in french already |
| 11:29.07 | N`Kr1pt | OK, I already foud it, should be pdbedit --list |
| 11:29.26 | hark | romano2k: it was only temporary (for that command) |
| 11:29.54 | romano2k | hark: it'll be back in french at next login ? |
| 11:30.09 | HostilePenguin | your thumb drive dosent have u3 on it does it? |
| 11:30.22 | alaya_ | it would be cool if there were some way to i18n-ify pastebin |
| 11:30.37 | romano2k | Lynoure: http://pastebin.ca/581083 |
| 11:31.05 | HostilePenguin | in order to make my usb drive bootable i hade to take it to my brother in laws window machine and remove u3 |
| 11:31.06 | N`Kr1pt | telinit 0 makes all problems disappear! |
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| 11:32.04 | alaya_ | HostilePenguin: if you follow the guide and just dd over the drive, won't that wipe it out? |
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| 11:32.10 | cinex | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.17 | poncha | how can i get to the mirror-picker for apt? |
| 11:32.26 | abrotman | poncha: it's gone |
| 11:32.27 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 11:32.27 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 11:32.29 | poncha | oh |
| 11:32.30 | N`Kr1pt | poncha: /etc/apt/sources.list ;) |
| 11:32.32 | Lynoure | romano2k: looks like buggy packaging (but I'm not willing to look into the packages right now to verify that), try again later when either passwd or debianutils has updated... |
| 11:32.46 | abrotman | poncha: apt-spy is the closest you can get now .. and it takes a while to run |
| 11:32.50 | cast | that can't be right. |
| 11:32.58 | poncha | abrotman, it checks speed of all ? |
| 11:33.04 | Lynoure | romano2k: or better yet, reportbug now on either of them. |
| 11:33.05 | abrotman | AFAIK .. yes .. all of them |
| 11:33.33 | N`Kr1pt | also go for http instead of ftp, it seems to be a bit faster |
| 11:33.36 | N`Kr1pt | don't ask me why |
| 11:33.38 | poncha | so how do you pick a mirror during setup now? :S |
| 11:33.44 | cinex | I get the error: "device-mapper: reload ioctl failed: Invalid argument" hen trying to load a truecrypt volume. ANyone know how to fox it ? |
| 11:33.49 | romano2k | Lynoure: abrotman here made me force-overwrite the installation of debianutils |
| 11:33.55 | romano2k | and everything went fine after |
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| 11:34.22 | Lynoure | romano2k: then you are good to go, but still report a bug if you feel like it |
| 11:34.49 | romano2k | Lynoure: yes i'll try |
| 11:34.55 | HostilePenguin | cant wipe u3 without a program |
| 11:35.09 | poncha | abrotman, during installation (netinstall) you have to know mirror url now? |
| 11:35.20 | abrotman | poncha: during the install .. you can pick a mirror |
| 11:35.22 | romano2k | hmmm, are x11-common, xbitmaps and xcursor-themes useful if i'm not using X ? |
| 11:35.23 | HostilePenguin | no way i know of to wipe u3 under linux |
| 11:35.38 | N`Kr1pt | I think I found a bug in the Etch GTK installer; when a usb mouse is attached and you detach it during installation, the screen dissapears and starts to flicker. |
| 11:35.42 | poncha | abrotman, wow.. so why cant i get back to same tool that is used during install? :) |
| 11:35.54 | abrotman | nope |
| 11:35.55 | N`Kr1pt | can anyone else reproduce this bug? |
| 11:36.11 | abrotman | N`Kr1pt: you could ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
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| 11:36.15 | HostilePenguin | what is the name of the partition manager etch installer uses ? |
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| 11:36.57 | N`Kr1pt | partman i guess |
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| 11:37.49 | stew | yes, partman |
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| 11:39.05 | bloo_sky | I've looked at the man page for 'at' and can't find a solution to this. When using the 'at' command, how do you indicate that you've finished inputting commands? |
| 11:39.33 | stew | bloo_sky: send an eof |
| 11:39.33 | ross_MoHaX | is it possible to check md5 of all installed files? |
| 11:39.53 | stew | ross_MoHaX: no, but 'debsums' will check most |
| 11:39.58 | ross_MoHaX | eg to get info which files are changed after they was installed. |
| 11:40.00 | ross_MoHaX | thx |
| 11:40.09 | Shadur | ross_MoHaX: Install aide. |
| 11:40.22 | abrotman | debsums |
| 11:40.43 | bloo_sky | stew: what is an eof? I typed eof but it's ruturned an 'at>' prompt |
| 11:41.20 | N`Kr1pt | eof = end of file |
| 11:41.25 | petemc | echo command | at.. |
| 11:41.26 | stew | bloo_sky: "end of file" you can send one by hitting Ctrl-D |
| 11:42.12 | bloo_sky | stew: thanks, Ctrl-d did it. They need that in the man page. |
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| 11:42.52 | rissy | is there any way of exiting mutt without deleting any mail? |
| 11:43.01 | petemc | x |
| 11:43.06 | N`Kr1pt | kill -9 ^^ |
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| 11:43.18 | abrotman | certainly not kill -9 |
| 11:43.37 | rissy | lol N`Kr1pt, cheers petemc |
| 11:43.43 | N`Kr1pt | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 |
| 11:43.45 | N`Kr1pt | ^^ |
| 11:43.48 | xand | rissy: why would it delete your mail? |
| 11:43.51 | bloo_sky | rissy: when it asks "Purge 1 deleted message?" say no. |
| 11:44.01 | petemc | xand: it purges deleted mail |
| 11:44.02 | rissy | xand, q deletes read emails |
| 11:44.11 | ross_MoHaX | Shadur, no such deb |
| 11:44.15 | xand | rubbish |
| 11:44.20 | rissy | bloo_sky, x works perfect |
| 11:44.25 | xand | rissy: it asks you |
| 11:44.33 | rissy | does not :P |
| 11:44.34 | petemc | it can be configured not to askl |
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| 11:44.53 | Shadur | ross_MoHaX: Bull. |
| 11:44.54 | Shadur | shadur@hugin:~$ apt-cache search aide |
| 11:44.54 | Shadur | aide - Advanced Intrusion Detection Environment |
| 11:44.54 | giupy | hi all |
| 11:44.55 | xand | rissy: you must have changed the setting then |
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| 11:45.16 | petemc | xand: he asked a simple question, got an answer - no need to go on about it |
| 11:45.17 | bloo_sky | sounds like rissy needs to edit his .muttrc so it does ask |
| 11:45.23 | xand | rissy: anyway, it moves them not deletes them.... this option in your .muttrc will tell it to leave them set move=no |
| 11:45.30 | xand | petemc: no need to lie |
| 11:45.37 | giupy | wols ehi:) i have installed nvidia-kernel trough make-kpkg |
| 11:45.43 | abrotman | !eat pseubodot |
| 11:45.46 | rissy | :) |
| 11:45.51 | petemc | xand: within the context of his question, he didnt lie |
| 11:45.55 | HostilePenguin | the linux people of america need to make their own political party |
| 11:45.56 | xand | petemc: it only purges deleted mail if you say yes |
| 11:46.04 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: you first |
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| 11:46.16 | petemc | xand: x is a handy way to exit mutt without affecting any changes |
| 11:46.17 | HostilePenguin | your smarter |
| 11:46.23 | HostilePenguin | you first |
| 11:46.26 | abrotman | you're |
| 11:46.26 | stew | (you're) |
| 11:46.34 | N`Kr1pt | he was right |
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| 11:46.53 | cast | nice irony |
| 11:47.25 | xand | petemc: "Purge 1 deleted message? ([yes]/no):", answer is press n |
| 11:47.28 | abrotman | !qotd192 is <reply><HostilePenguin> your smarter |
| 11:47.28 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 11:47.57 | HostilePenguin | my math aint so good either |
| 11:48.06 | xand | "maths" ;) |
| 11:48.10 | N`Kr1pt | ain't |
| 11:48.13 | N`Kr1pt | ^^ |
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| 11:48.31 | Stephaknee | wtf. my apt dist-upgrade stopped. |
| 11:48.33 | xand | "isn't" |
| 11:48.39 | abrotman | xand: i think that's a .uk vs .us thing .. but not really sure |
| 11:48.51 | xand | abrotman: maybe :P |
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| 11:50.33 | abrotman | xand: though .. dictionary.com says 'math' is an order of Hindu monks ... |
| 11:50.34 | N`Kr1pt | so when will ubuntu cooperate with microsoft (read be microsoft's bitch)? |
| 11:50.41 | abrotman | N`Kr1pt: ask #ubuntu .. not us |
| 11:50.42 | Stephaknee | 827 upgraded, 29 newly installed, 2 to remove and 6 not upgraded. |
| 11:50.42 | giupy | i use debian sid with 2.6.18 compiled kernel, i have used the debian way to install nvidia kernel and glx, but when i try to startx i recive a problem like: Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7184, but this X module is version 1.0.7185. Please be sure that your kernel ecc.......where i have wrong ? |
| 11:50.45 | Stephaknee | i guess not too bad. |
| 11:50.59 | danboid | I have a problem with icewm under sarge- the shutdown and reboot options are greyed out from the CTRL-ALT-DEL menu. I tried using visudo to enable passwordless execution of /sbin/halt and /sbin/reboot for my user by adding 'username ALL= NOPASSWD: /sbin/halt' and the same for reboot and shutdown commands but it hasn't worked. Do I need to add 'username' to a new group too or??? |
| 11:51.36 | alaya_ | giupy: use module-assistant to install nvidia driver |
| 11:51.46 | alaya_ | !tell giupy about nividia one-liner |
| 11:51.50 | abrotman | danboid: shutdown.allow might help |
| 11:52.19 | danboid | abrotman: sorry, is that a command? |
| 11:52.20 | alaya_ | !tell giupy about nvidia one-liner |
| 11:52.25 | N`Kr1pt | so when will eric s raymond break an ubuntu package and switch to debian? |
| 11:52.27 | N`Kr1pt | :p |
| 11:52.35 | abrotman | danboid: it's a file |
| 11:52.56 | abrotman | N`Kr1pt: ubuntu is offtopic here .. if you want to ramble about it .. go to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic |
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| 11:53.15 | giupy | alaya_ i can't it says me some problem, it can't find the sources |
| 11:53.43 | N`Kr1pt | yea yea don't cry about it, you have to laugh sometimes too you know; well yea back on topic |
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| 11:53.45 | abrotman | danboid: man 8 shutdown |
| 11:53.48 | alaya_ | giupy: actually reading the one-liner i see you no longer need module-assistant |
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| 11:54.13 | abrotman | danboid: are you using GDM also ? |
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| 11:54.36 | danboid | abrotman: Thanks! Just reading that now. No I'm not using GDM |
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| 11:56.41 | danboid | abrotman: So I'll just have to make a file called /etc/shutdown.allow and include my username in it? Thats all? |
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| 11:58.57 | Stephaknee | hey guys. i'm doing a dist-upgrade from an old copy of testing (when etch was in testing) to the new one. it's bitching at me for having an old kernel, "WARNING: POSIX threads library NPTL requires kernel version 2.6.1 or later. If you use a kernel 2.4, please upgrade it |
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| 11:59.05 | abrotman | danboid: hopefully .. your WM may not follow that file |
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| 11:59.10 | Stephaknee | obviously this upgrade should install a kernel, so is there a way to bypass it? |
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| 11:59.35 | stew | Stephaknee: no, you can't bypass it, you need to install a new kernel |
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| 11:59.50 | Stephaknee | stew: so how do i force it to install the new kernel before this package? |
| 12:00.28 | romano2k | re! since my dist-upgrade i can't connect to my imap mail server |
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| 12:00.42 | fireba11 | Stephaknee : upgrades don#t install kernels |
| 12:00.44 | romano2k | it seems that the auth method as changed, but i don't know how to get it back as it was before |
| 12:00.49 | stew | Stephaknee: what state is libc6 in? |
| 12:01.04 | stew | fireba11: eh? |
| 12:01.15 | abrotman | fireba11: they can |
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| 12:02.14 | Stephaknee | Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 (using .../libc6_2.5-9+b1_i386.deb) ... |
| 12:02.22 | Stephaknee | immediately before that posix warning |
| 12:02.34 | stew | Stephaknee: what does "dpkg -l libc6" return? |
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| 12:03.17 | Stephaknee | do you want to see the whole thing? |
| 12:03.40 | stew | Stephaknee: no, only the last line |
| 12:03.47 | Stephaknee | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:04.12 | stew | Stephaknee: what tool were you using to dist-upgrade? |
| 12:04.21 | Stephaknee | apt-get |
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| 12:04.26 | kexman | hi |
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| 12:04.41 | kexman | im wondering how could i make a debian login screen show up on my home linux ... |
| 12:04.44 | stew | so i don't see the problem |
| 12:04.51 | kexman | i would need to tunnel X over ssh or something like that |
| 12:04.52 | kexman | right ? |
| 12:04.58 | Stephaknee | stew: apt stopped because of that libc warning |
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| 12:05.07 | stew | Stephaknee: /msg dpkg upgrade kernel |
| 12:05.20 | Stephaknee | ok. |
| 12:05.35 | hrishi | hi, could somebody help me. i have changed the xkb rules xfree86.xml file but still then not getting the layout as i mentioned ? |
| 12:05.42 | Stephaknee | aptitude? |
| 12:06.15 | stew | Stephaknee: yes, it is recommeded that you use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 12:06.28 | Stephaknee | whats the difference? |
| 12:06.34 | stew | Stephaknee: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 12:06.45 | Shadur | Enverex: Looks like the .9 nvidia driver just hit experimental, incidentally. |
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| 12:07.01 | Stephaknee | is there anythisg dpkg doesnt know? heh. |
| 12:07.22 | Enverex | Shadur, I forgot about Experimental, how long does it normally take for the nVidia drivers to reach them? |
| 12:07.39 | abrotman | !42 |
| 12:07.39 | dpkg | hmm... 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 12:07.47 | flami | consider dpkg as a god |
| 12:08.41 | Stephaknee | !confuse |
| 12:08.49 | stew | !confuse Stephaknee |
| 12:08.49 | dpkg | Yes, who are your weasel yesterday, Stephaknee? breeches of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra cream |
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| 12:09.01 | Stephaknee | heh |
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| 12:09.24 | flami | better talk to dpkg in private :P thats feels more liek a priviledge |
| 12:09.32 | Nuxis | :D |
| 12:09.37 | flami | !pr0n |
| 12:09.37 | dpkg | from memory, pr0n is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu, or http://www.pornolize.com/pornolize4?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org&submit=Translate, or see pr0n.sf.net |
| 12:09.37 | Shadur | Enverex: Not sure, I don't generally track Experimental myself. I think there's a mandatory minimum wait of about a week from exper to sid, though. |
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| 12:09.45 | kombi_ | where are source put by dpkg? |
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| 12:10.07 | stew | Shadur: there is not any minimum |
| 12:10.28 | Nuxis | !debian |
| 12:10.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 12:10.32 | Stephaknee | Need to get 327kB of archives. After unpacking 546MB will be freed. |
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| 12:10.34 | abrotman | things dont' flow from experimental to unstable |
| 12:10.37 | Stephaknee | bah. |
| 12:10.47 | Nuxis | mhh I tought dpkg will say "Debian the best os there is!" |
| 12:10.48 | Enverex | Shadur, hrm, it's just up until a few days ago the latest was 9755 which had been superseeded ages ago |
| 12:11.06 | Stephaknee | what to do to make it install the kernel and without removing anything? |
| 12:11.47 | Shadur | Enverex: A bug reported against it or a new version being uploaded will reset the wait time, I think. |
| 12:12.00 | Enverex | Shadur, Ah |
| 12:12.19 | Shadur | Might be the maintainer deliberately held back .9 to give .4 a chance to clear the queue so people'd have something to use while he got to work on making the .9 work |
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| 12:13.21 | stew | Shadur: what are you talking about? |
| 12:13.36 | stew | Enverex: Shadur is making stuff up |
| 12:13.54 | Stephaknee | aptitude seems to want to remove 220 packages to do anything. |
| 12:14.17 | Shadur | stew: I could be entirely wrong, it's been ages since I last reviewed the rules for experimental. |
| 12:14.27 | Shadur | ... Oh, wait. I'm confusing experimental with incoming. |
| 12:14.28 | stew | Shadur: there are no rules |
| 12:14.39 | Shadur | My bad. I'll go hide in a paper bag now. |
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| 12:15.06 | stew | and generally incoming == unstable |
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| 12:15.27 | Enverex | Right, so what is the easiest way to get the latest nVidia drivers? (does someone generally package them up soon after release, or?) |
| 12:15.36 | stew | (and the things you were saying aren't true for unstable or incoming) |
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| 12:15.47 | aldin | !sudo |
| 12:15.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 12:19.00 | Stephaknee | why won't aptitude install my kernel without removing a ton of packages? |
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| 12:19.48 | twist | hello? |
| 12:20.01 | stew | Stephaknee: if you are running "aptitude install foo" and it wants to remove bar, but you don't want it to, run "aptitude install foo bar". or use the aptitude frontend by running "aptitude" by itself |
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| 12:20.13 | alberto | Hi. |
| 12:20.18 | stew | Stephaknee: or use apt-get. or stick with etch |
| 12:20.18 | alberto | I have a problem with mailman in debian. |
| 12:20.31 | alberto | It seems to be a problem because debian conf method. |
| 12:20.42 | alberto | When I execute genaliases I obtain this error: |
| 12:20.45 | Stephaknee | stew: whats the command to install the kernel with apt-get? |
| 12:20.50 | alberto | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.55 | stew | Stephaknee: the same as with aptitude |
| 12:20.58 | twist | Hey i need a hand installing nvidia drivers, etch, for a nvidia 8600 |
| 12:21.04 | Stephaknee | stew: It doesnt work. |
| 12:21.07 | alberto | Just the line where I uncommented MTA = 'Postfix' |
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| 12:21.16 | alberto | Why a normal line gives me an error? |
| 12:21.26 | Stephaknee | oh, i see why. |
| 12:21.31 | alberto | All documentation, how-tos. manual tell me to put that line. |
| 12:21.33 | Stephaknee | I guess it wouldnt have worked with aptitude either. |
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| 12:21.45 | aldin | how to setup sudo to be able to do all commands as root can? |
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| 12:22.39 | twist | Hey i need a hand installing nvidia drivers, etch, for a nvidia 8600 anyone :( im stuck with no X |
| 12:22.43 | Nuxis | sudo can do all commands as root I tought |
| 12:23.04 | alberto | ok nobody helps? |
| 12:23.05 | alberto | xD |
| 12:23.17 | Nuxis | twist, you can find the drivers on the nvidia website I got that card a time ago and I install them with succes |
| 12:23.18 | Stephaknee | How do i force apt-get to actually install the kernel, without fucking around with the glibc dependances (which is depending on THE KERNEL...)? |
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| 12:23.58 | twist | Nuxis: i have tryed.. with no sucsess. |
| 12:24.02 | Nuxis | mhh |
| 12:24.04 | stew | Stephaknee: downgrade packages depending on the newer libc6, or boot a livecd |
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| 12:24.28 | Nuxis | twist, you can also use vga driver normaly that works fine but no good graphics ofcourse |
| 12:24.37 | Stephaknee | why on earth didnt it just install the kernel before glibc? |
| 12:24.41 | stew | Stephaknee: or maybe download the kernel deb and "dpkg -i " it |
| 12:24.48 | smica | . |
| 12:25.31 | stew | Stephaknee: apt-get isn't going to just pick a kernel for you. why were you running an unsupported kernel in etch? |
| 12:26.13 | stew | Stephaknee: and libc6 can't be made to depend on a particular kenrel installed. it could be running in a chroot with no kernel installed. it also could be on a system where someone has compiled their own kernel |
| 12:26.24 | twist | Nuxis: so i could atleast get x to work? |
| 12:26.24 | Stephaknee | stew: I dont know. I was told that apt-get dist-upgrade should install a kernel. I never knew it was outdated until recently. |
| 12:26.25 | Nuxis | twist, what debian you have 3.1 or 4.0 |
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| 12:26.40 | twist | 4.0 |
| 12:26.43 | Nuxis | twist, yes but not play games verry well (high games like WoW, CS, ..) |
| 12:26.46 | Nuxis | ok sec |
| 12:27.08 | Stephaknee | stew: couldnt it have asked though? |
| 12:27.10 | stew | Stephaknee: "dist-upgrade" just upgrades packages. if you didn't have a kernel meta-package installed, like 'linux-image-2.6' it wouldn't upgrade your kernel |
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| 12:27.29 | stew | Stephaknee: it doesn't have such a capability |
| 12:27.42 | Nuxis | mhh I only find websites in ittalian on google with keywoard "nvidia 8600 debian 4.0" :p |
| 12:28.00 | Nuxis | twist, you can rund dpkg-reconfigure to reconfigure you x I tought |
| 12:28.12 | Stephaknee | stew: that explains a LOT. Several people basically told me that dist-upgrade would upgrade it. Oh, and it was about 1am too. |
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| 12:30.55 | twist | Nuxis: ok ill try |
| 12:31.10 | Nuxis | ok :-) |
| 12:31.30 | twist | nothing :( |
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| 12:31.47 | Nuxis | sec I'm on ubuntu now need to start debian |
| 12:31.52 | twist | Im sorry one of my first real linux installs. |
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| 12:31.58 | twist | thanks |
| 12:32.07 | Nuxis | ok :-) |
| 12:32.35 | Nuxis | twist, debian is the nicest linux I ever see but I don't think it's good for beginners (my opinion) |
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| 12:32.48 | Stephaknee | stew: Thank you...i'm installing the kernel now. I'm not going to say that apt isnt being stupid though. |
| 12:32.52 | twist | I like to dive in at the deep end |
| 12:32.53 | Nuxis | I don't know you knowledge of linux so ... :D |
| 12:32.57 | Nuxis | ok :p |
| 12:34.00 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 12:34.00 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 12:34.22 | Nuxis | mhh that will help you also :D |
| 12:34.39 | twist | :P |
| 12:35.08 | twist | ok now i just have to type that all out |
| 12:35.10 | twist | >< |
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| 12:35.35 | tralala | Nuxis, my 4-year old daugther would certainly disagree |
| 12:35.56 | Nuxis | tralala, yea but does she know something about debian :D |
| 12:36.11 | stew | Stephaknee: well. it should be safe for apt-get to assume that you are either 1) not running an unsopported kernel 2) know what you are doing |
| 12:36.50 | gypsymauro | there is an howto on how to build a NT PDC with samba on debian etch? |
| 12:36.52 | tralala | Nuxis, no and that's exactly my point - she's using it without needing to know anything about it and she finds it pretty easy |
| 12:36.57 | Stephaknee | stew: well, it installed the kernel the first time i installed debian, without asking me much. So i assumed. And you know what assuming does. I know what i'm doing NOW though... |
| 12:37.05 | abrotman | gypsymauro: samba.org |
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| 12:37.40 | Nuxis | tralala, with gnome :D |
| 12:37.40 | stew | Stephaknee: yeah, and that kernel was suported when you were running sarge. just not for etch |
| 12:38.11 | stew | (and obviously, not for lenny) |
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| 12:38.25 | tralala | Nuxis, oh her computer yes, but on mine she uses KDE just as easily |
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| 12:38.44 | Nuxis | tralala, ok xD |
| 12:39.12 | Stephaknee | ok. |
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| 12:40.33 | tralala | Nuxis, nevertheless I also think that gnome is easier for newbs |
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| 12:40.48 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i have a stupid question, if i set up a crontab job, and my user is not logged in, would it be executed anyway? |
| 12:40.58 | twist | Uhm that one-liner dosnt work for me? |
| 12:41.20 | stew | assasukasse: yes |
| 12:41.21 | Nuxis | tralala, totaly disagree kde is for uber noobs :D |
| 12:41.26 | twist | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 12:41.39 | assasukasse | thanks stew |
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| 12:42.03 | tralala | ahem |
| 12:42.04 | indraveni | hi |
| 12:42.05 | stew | assasukasse: if the computer might be OFF look at anacron |
| 12:42.22 | stew | tralala: you are an uber noob |
| 12:42.23 | abrotman | twist: you need non-free and contrib sources |
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| 12:42.32 | assasukasse | stew the job is set up to start every hour..so should be fine.. |
| 12:42.36 | indraveni | I am using debian etch and apache 2.2.3 |
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| 12:42.46 | twist | abrotman: ok and how would i get those? |
| 12:42.57 | abrotman | twist: /msg dpkg contrib .. /msg dpkg non-free |
| 12:43.01 | indraveni | and bugzilla 2.22.5 version |
| 12:43.02 | Stephaknee | ok, dpkg yelled at me saying that i need to install an initrd tool (and listed several) in the same install run or the new kernel won't work. I installed yaird manually too....what am i going to need to do to not break the system? |
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| 12:43.05 | twist | ok |
| 12:43.15 | tralala | stew, that's the only logical conclusion |
| 12:43.18 | indraveni | I want to create vhost entry for bugzilla , and need help in this issue |
| 12:43.29 | indraveni | I created a vhost entry as |
| 12:43.36 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:43.36 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 12:44.09 | stew | Stephaknee: if the kernel is installed at the same time, you shouldn't have to do anything, otherwise, you have to reconfigure the kernel package |
| 12:44.15 | tralala | and since I also use evilwm on my laptop => evilwm is for uber newbs |
| 12:44.26 | indraveni | my vhost is pasted here http://apache.pastebin.ca/581232 |
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| 12:44.52 | Stephaknee | stew: well, i installed the kernel and then installed yaird....will i need to reconfigure the kernel package? |
| 12:44.52 | indraveni | could some one please help me in resoving whats going on wrong. |
| 12:44.53 | stew | tralala: hmm, i'm not sure that noobness is transitive like that |
| 12:45.02 | stew | Stephaknee: yes |
| 12:45.09 | indraveni | bugzilla.bosslinux.in, is not poiting to the bugzilla page |
| 12:45.13 | twist | http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/HOWTO_Installing_nVidia_Grapics_Drivers_on_Debian_Etch Will this help with my problem? |
| 12:45.15 | stew | Stephaknee: or reinstall it (since that forces configuration again) |
| 12:46.01 | indraveni | its just showing the content of the document root |
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| 12:46.49 | abrotman | indraveni: the vhost is configured .. seems like an alias is missing for the cgi |
| 12:47.52 | tralala | twist, tried that already? http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaHowTo |
| 12:47.55 | stew | does [R] in a RewriteRule mean rediret? |
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| 12:48.12 | tralala | is that french? |
| 12:48.18 | Stephaknee | stew: It still says the same thing. |
| 12:48.26 | Stephaknee | stew: and yes, yaird is new enough. |
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| 12:48.33 | stew | Stephaknee: be more specific |
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| 12:50.07 | indraveni | abrotman, what should be the cgi alias there? |
| 12:50.29 | abrotman | i have no idea .. bugzilla and i don't get along .. i try not to use it .. and it doesn't ask to be installed |
| 12:50.43 | abrotman | but i bet there are docs in /usr/share/doc/bugzilla/ |
| 12:51.28 | stew | it seems like SOMETHING should be setting ExecCGI, either an Option or the the RewriteRule |
| 12:51.47 | stew | and i don't remember what [R] means, but if it means redirect, i don't think that is the right think |
| 12:52.02 | Stephaknee | is this the kind of specific you mean? http://pastebin.com/933330 |
| 12:52.13 | Stephaknee | thats the error dpkg gave |
| 12:52.27 | Stephaknee | yaird is 0.0.12 if thats what you meant. |
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| 12:52.50 | stew | Stephaknee: what version of yaird is installed? |
| 12:52.58 | stew | Stephaknee: are you particularly adverse to running udev? |
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| 12:53.11 | Stephaknee | what's udev? |
| 12:53.13 | stew | (becuase initramfstools is better supported, but depends on udev) |
| 12:53.21 | stew | Stephaknee: /msg dpkg udev |
| 12:53.30 | twist | tralala: E: couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common |
| 12:53.31 | Stephaknee | ok. i just randomly installed one off the list. |
| 12:54.00 | stew | yaird is dead upstream, someday it will die of attrition |
| 12:54.06 | Stephaknee | heh. |
| 12:54.17 | Stephaknee | stew, that says it needs the new kernel. |
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| 12:55.31 | twist | tralala: E: couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 12:57.52 | Stephaknee | still there? |
| 12:57.54 | indraveni | could some one please tell me what is the related packaeg for mod_env apache module in debian etch |
| 12:57.59 | indraveni | *apache2 |
| 12:58.06 | hark | twist: add contrib |
| 12:58.18 | tralala | twist, did you see step two? |
| 12:58.19 | stew | Stephaknee: yes, udev won't work unless you are running at least 2.6.15 |
| 12:58.42 | stew | Stephaknee: but it won't stop you from installing, its just a warning |
| 12:58.44 | twist | damn i feel stupid |
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| 12:59.16 | abrotman | twist: i said that above :) |
| 12:59.21 | Stephaknee | stew: its not going to catch22 me into needing the new kernel runinng to configure the new kernel package, is it? |
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| 12:59.26 | stew | no |
| 12:59.29 | Stephaknee | good. |
| 12:59.33 | waltercool | hi again :) |
| 12:59.35 | tralala | twist, /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 12:59.43 | twist | ok thanks |
| 12:59.52 | stew | Stephaknee: ohhhh, in fact this is why yaird won't work |
| 13:00.01 | stew | Stephaknee: yaird requires 2.6 in order to build an initrd |
| 13:00.13 | waltercool | how can i install in pendrive debian?? I tried with my iso... but tutorial files are from another version appear :S |
| 13:00.29 | Stephaknee | stew: LOL |
| 13:00.41 | stew | waltercool: you are trying to install onto a pendrive, or from a pendrive? |
| 13:00.53 | Stephaknee | stew: i shouldve just used a livecd. i couldve been done by now. my upgrade is short by like 6 packages. |
| 13:00.55 | waltercool | from a pendrive |
| 13:01.05 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 13:01.05 | dpkg | [usb-install] Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 13:01.21 | waltercool | this version i have installed in my pendrive |
| 13:01.41 | waltercool | but when read the iso, say me some about different version and problems loading some things |
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| 13:04.12 | IAW7001 | newbie question: I want to view a list of lines occuring MORE than once in a given file, what's an easy way of doing this? |
| 13:04.55 | Nuxis | IAW7001, I don't get you question what do you wanna do? |
| 13:04.57 | tralala | IAW7001, one of them sort or uniq has an option for duplicate lines - check the mans |
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| 13:06.07 | Stephaknee | hotplug conflicts with udev. hmm. I use hotplug for my digital camera. Is it reasonably easy to set up udev to do the same thing? |
| 13:06.23 | stew | Stephaknee: what exactly does hotplug do? |
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| 13:06.31 | stew | Stephaknee: i mean, in relation to your camera |
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| 13:06.53 | Stephaknee | i believe it detects the camera and makes a node in /dev for it. |
| 13:07.00 | Alver | Hello. Where and how do I submit a bug on Debian/s390 when reportbug is not an option? |
| 13:07.12 | Alver | ... and when I can't pinpoint it to a specific package? |
| 13:07.16 | stew | Stephaknee: and then you mount the camera? or you read it with libgphoto2? |
| 13:07.22 | Stephaknee | stew: i read it with libgphoto2 |
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| 13:07.48 | Stephaknee | and actually hotplug is setup pretty generically.....it doesnt know anything about the camera, itself. just the USB. |
| 13:08.00 | stew | Stephaknee: well, in general. udev will do that kind of thing out of the box. i can't speak for your camera specifically |
| 13:08.01 | Stephaknee | its been a while since i set it up. :) |
| 13:08.10 | stew | Stephaknee: but this is exactly the reason udev was written |
| 13:08.30 | Stephaknee | ok. |
| 13:08.43 | romano2k | hi everyone! i just dist-upgraded my debian testing and courier changed the auth method. i wish i could login to my imap server just with my unix login/password, where to do that? |
| 13:09.38 | wols | what method does courier use? from when I used it it always did use system users/pass by default out of the box |
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| 13:11.09 | Stephaknee | i cant remove hotplug, its needed for a bunch of crap...including amarok, which i use. |
| 13:11.23 | stew | !depends amarok |
| 13:11.25 | dpkg | amarok: depends on amarok-engines | amarok-engine, ruby, unzip, kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.7-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.5-5), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2-20070516), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.9), libgpod1, libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libifp4, libjpeg62, libkarma0, libmtp5, libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.27-1), libnjb5, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libpq5, ... |
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| 13:11.47 | Stephaknee | its not a direct dependancy. amarok's official dependency was libnjb5 |
| 13:11.54 | Stephaknee | which is dependant on hotplug |
| 13:11.58 | stew | !depends libnjb5 |
| 13:12.01 | dpkg | libnjb5: depends on udev | hotplug, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libusb-0.1-4 (>= 2:0.1.12) |
| 13:12.06 | Stephaknee | hmm. |
| 13:12.08 | stew | Stephaknee: udev satisfies it |
| 13:12.24 | stew | Stephaknee: i seriously doubt that there is anything that specifically depends on hotplug |
| 13:12.42 | Stephaknee | but i cant install udev without removing hotplug, and i cant remove hotplug because of dependancies? heh |
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| 13:12.52 | stew | Stephaknee: what dependencies? |
| 13:12.57 | twist | tralala: ok ive done all that now i just have a black screen.... |
| 13:13.07 | twist | i think i missed the last command |
| 13:13.09 | tralala | stew, you just install udev and aptitude will take care of all the deps |
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| 13:13.15 | twist | adduser user video |
| 13:13.19 | stew | Stephaknee: if you are installing udev, it will remove hotplug and satisfy the dependencies with udev |
| 13:13.21 | tralala | Stephaknee, ^^ |
| 13:13.29 | Stephaknee | but i'm manually installing with dpkg |
| 13:13.45 | tralala | four letter tab completion is way too much... |
| 13:13.46 | ezguy | hi, when creating a hard link does it uses an inode to create a name to the same inode of an existing file or it just creates a name without the need of an inode to an existing inode? |
| 13:13.52 | stew | tralala: irc noob |
| 13:13.52 | Stephaknee | because im in the middle of a dist-upgrade and apt-get or aptitude wont let me do anything. |
| 13:13.53 | wols | Stephaknee: any special reason other than masochism? |
| 13:14.06 | Twist|Panic | tralala: ok ive done all that now i just have a black screen.... |
| 13:14.09 | stew | Stephaknee: aptitude will let you. use the aptitude frontend |
| 13:14.13 | stew | Stephaknee: or go back to stable |
| 13:14.20 | Stephaknee | stew: i was never on stable though. |
| 13:14.25 | stew | Stephaknee: i now |
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| 13:14.26 | stew | konw |
| 13:14.44 | tralala | Twist|Panic, now it's time to check your Xorg.log |
| 13:14.53 | Stephaknee | How can i get away with it with the manual dpkg? |
| 13:14.58 | Twist|Panic | how? |
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| 13:15.23 | Twist|Panic | i mean how do i get back to the console? |
| 13:15.40 | tralala | stew, ha, typing noob! |
| 13:15.54 | Stephaknee | typing noob, heh. |
| 13:16.11 | tralala | Twist|Panic, try ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 13:16.23 | Twist|Panic | nothing |
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| 13:16.39 | indraveni | abrotman, there is a README.Debian under /usr/share/doc/bugzilla/, but I am not understanding some of the configurations int aht |
| 13:16.45 | stew | Stephaknee: using --force options (which you should, in general really question your methods if you are having to use them) |
| 13:16.51 | tralala | Twist|Panic, is this computer networked? Can you ssh in? |
| 13:17.18 | Twist|Panic | yeah its networked, i dont know its ip, and i dont think ssh is on |
| 13:17.38 | tralala | Twist|Panic, ssh is on by default |
| 13:17.43 | Twist|Panic | ok good |
| 13:17.58 | Twist|Panic | ill scan my network give me a minuet |
| 13:17.58 | Stephaknee | stew: i'll just use aptitude. and somehow it decided its only going to remove 11 packages, and not 220. |
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| 13:21.04 | Twist|Panic | cant i just reboot into recovery? |
| 13:21.07 | Twist|Panic | or somthing. |
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| 13:21.17 | Twist|Panic | because my ssh connection was refused. |
| 13:21.19 | Stephaknee | the real question is, why does it want to remove packages instead of fixing their dependancies? |
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| 13:21.58 | stew | Stephaknee: are you using the frontend or the command line? |
| 13:22.13 | Twist|Panic | tralala: can't i just boot into a rescue mode or somthing like that |
| 13:22.18 | stew | Stephaknee: and is it saying "these aren't needed" or "dependencies arent' satisfied"? |
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| 13:22.33 | wifimonster | Is there any way to detect what wifi card I have on my laptop? so I can find the appropriate drivers. |
| 13:23.11 | Stephaknee | stew: im on the frontend. its saying dependancies arent satisfied. and i'm fixing all the dependancies, but i was just curious about it.... |
| 13:23.12 | indraveni | in the README file of bugzilla, http://pastebin.ca/581277, what does the lines 11 - 15 mean exactly? I am sorry , I am getting a clear idea about the configuration explained in the README |
| 13:23.13 | tralala | Twist|Panic, you can, the question is do you need to |
| 13:23.21 | Twist|Panic | yes :( |
| 13:23.40 | tralala | Twist|Panic, did you restart already? |
| 13:23.49 | Twist|Panic | its shutdown |
| 13:23.51 | stew | Stephaknee: you can hit ',' to try an alternative (one of the reasons aptitude is better, is that it will present you with several alternatives to fix a dependency problem) |
| 13:24.13 | Stephaknee | ok |
| 13:24.20 | tralala | Twist|Panic, start it and see if it will get to an usable state |
| 13:24.49 | stew | Stephaknee: and if there is some package that it wants to remove, but you want installed, hit '+' on that package, and it will recalculate its possible alternatives |
| 13:24.54 | Twist|Panic | booting |
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| 13:25.30 | Twist|Panic | blackness |
| 13:25.46 | Stephaknee | stew: and whats the button for "ok, cool, lets do all this." |
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| 13:26.00 | tralala | Twist|Panic, ctrl+alt+fX or ssh working? |
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| 13:26.14 | Twist|Panic | fX? |
| 13:27.00 | Twist|Panic | tralala: ssh is a no :( |
| 13:27.09 | mmlj4 | any reason a bind 9 zone file from an old suse box would fail to give out MX records on etch? |
| 13:27.11 | Twist|Panic | tralala: and whats fx? |
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| 13:27.18 | mmlj4 | everything else seems to work |
| 13:27.35 | tralala | Twist|Panic, an F<something> key |
| 13:28.06 | Twist|Panic | just tryed them all nothing |
| 13:29.03 | stew | Stephaknee: 'g' |
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| 13:29.50 | Stephaknee | weird, what happened to my numlock key... |
| 13:30.01 | tralala | Twist|Panic, you'll need to boot in single mode |
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| 13:30.18 | Twist|Panic | tralala: ? sorry |
| 13:30.33 | Twist|Panic | single user? |
| 13:31.20 | Stephaknee | stew: + isnt doing anything on these |
| 13:31.32 | tralala | Twist|Panic, just select recovery mode from the boot menu |
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| 13:31.41 | Stephaknee | i have a few it just wants to remove for no reason its telling me that i want. |
| 13:31.56 | Twist|Panic | tralala: i dont see that? |
| 13:32.28 | tralala | Twist|Panic, are you running etch with grub? |
| 13:32.41 | Twist|Panic | tralala: yes |
| 13:33.06 | tralala | then you have recovery mode in the grub boot menu |
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| 13:33.40 | Twist|Panic | tralala: i have normal boot and single user. |
| 13:33.56 | tralala | Twist|Panic, go single user |
| 13:34.01 | Twist|Panic | ok |
| 13:34.01 | ben_goodger | <tralala> Twist|Panic, you'll need to boot in single mode |
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| 13:34.14 | Twist|Panic | tralala: booting |
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| 13:34.39 | endra | hey |
| 13:34.43 | endra | how can I take a screenshot |
| 13:34.59 | Twist|Panic | tralala: stuck on ipv6 over ipv4 tunneling driver |
| 13:35.23 | endra | !screenshot |
| 13:35.23 | dpkg | methinks screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
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| 13:35.32 | Stephaknee | oh, i see the issue. neverminds. |
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| 13:36.13 | tralala | Twist|Panic, are you using the stock kernel? |
| 13:36.26 | Twist|Panic | yes |
| 13:36.42 | Twist|Panic | i wouldnt know how to build my own |
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| 13:37.58 | Stephaknee | but some of these things are like, dependancies that are listed as a "reccomend". why would you uninstall something just because it reccomends you have something you dont? |
| 13:38.04 | tralala | Twist|Panic, if the default install doesn't boot in single mode your problem is deeper than the video driver |
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| 13:38.53 | Twist|Panic | tralala: well my system is a core dueo, 64 bit? thats bad rigfht? |
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| 13:39.08 | Savio_R | The package emacs-snapshot-gtk is removed of Sid. Is there any substitute? |
| 13:39.17 | tralala | Twist|Panic, it's awful - it means you have better system than me |
| 13:39.26 | Twist|Panic | tralala: :P |
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| 13:39.40 | Twist|Panic | tralala: well, i really dont feel like a reinstall |
| 13:40.01 | tralala | Twist|Panic, you have 2.6.18-4 right? |
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| 13:40.14 | Twist|Panic | tralala: thats correct |
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| 13:40.24 | Stephaknee | stew, ok, i hit "g", and it comes up wanting to remove over a gigabyte of stuff because its "no longer being used". WTF? |
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| 13:40.45 | tralala | Twist|Panic, if it boots in normal mode it would certainly boot in single mode |
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| 13:41.06 | Trewas | Savio_R: maybe they removed the snapshot package because emacs22 was finally released, and now there is emacs22-gtk |
| 13:41.06 | Twist|Panic | tralala: well its stuck on ipv6 over ipv4 tunneling driver |
| 13:41.08 | derwolf_ | daag |
| 13:41.36 | tralala | Twist|Panic, what's the last line saying exactly? |
| 13:42.10 | Twist|Panic | tralala: IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver |
| 13:42.28 | tralala | Twist|Panic, how many options do you have in the boot menu? |
| 13:42.32 | stew | Stephaknee: you can mark those packages as NOT being manually installed, with 'm' |
| 13:42.41 | Twist|Panic | tralala: Two |
| 13:42.48 | stew | Stephaknee: or + to upgrade them |
| 13:43.04 | Stephaknee | stew: you want me to do this manually, package by package, for 500 package? |
| 13:43.27 | Savio_R | Trewas: emacs still in release 21 in Sid... |
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| 13:44.25 | stew | Savio_R: there is 22 in experimental or the old -snapshot maintainer is still maintaining it elsewhere: deb http://emacs.orebokech.com sid main |
| 13:44.36 | unlink | what's the normal way to set up mailing lists for debian? |
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| 13:44.52 | stew | "normal way"? |
| 13:45.05 | Trewas | Savio_R: hrm maybe I installed it from experimental then |
| 13:45.16 | Stephaknee | oh, apparently i can push + for everything at once. |
| 13:45.21 | stew | Stephaknee: you could probably script it from the command line if you really want to mark ALL of them as not auto-installed |
| 13:45.32 | stew | but that probably isn't ideal |
| 13:45.48 | Stephaknee | stew: it let me hit + and unmark them all. |
| 13:45.54 | Stephaknee | stew: why on earth would it want to do that though? |
| 13:46.21 | tralala | Twist, find a way to boot in single mode - google around for info |
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| 13:46.39 | Twist | tralala: Ok well ill try |
| 13:46.58 | stew | Stephaknee: aptitude keeps track of which pacakges were installed only to satisfy dependencies (as opposed to ones that you installed explicity) it will remove them when they are no longer needed. aparantly, since this is your first time using aptitude, it is confused about what was installed manually |
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| 13:47.47 | Twist | tralala: IVE GOT A COMMAND LINE |
| 13:47.48 | cottima | would someone look at http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto and tell me why I can get access to the new ltsp 5.0 packages? |
| 13:48.03 | tralala | Twist, /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
| 13:48.12 | Stephaknee | ok, so i pushed +, now what do i do? Oh, and this is on the screen that came up when i pushed g. |
| 13:48.13 | tralala | share your Xorg log |
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| 13:49.18 | stew | Stephaknee: 'g' |
| 13:49.31 | Twist | tralala: This si for my x log? |
| 13:50.02 | tralala | Twist, this is how to paste the contents of it using console tools |
| 13:50.13 | Twist | ok |
| 13:50.15 | tralala | Twist, /msg dpkg paste |
| 13:50.27 | tralala | and this is how to (not) paste in the channel |
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| 13:52.17 | Stephaknee | stew: it's refusing to install udev over bullshit dependancy issues that it doesnt have the balls to fix on its own. |
| 13:52.28 | Twist | tralala: Should i use the debian link,,,,? |
| 13:52.35 | Twist | tralala: With w3m? |
| 13:52.45 | Stephaknee | why on earth do these things bitch about dependancies instead of *fixing* them? |
| 13:52.49 | stew | Stephaknee: hit , to try other alternatives |
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| 13:53.00 | tralala | Twist, you can use any paste site of your choice |
| 13:53.00 | stew | Stephaknee: or be more specific about what dependencies it is complaining about |
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| 13:53.48 | Twist | tralala: Where is the log? |
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| 13:53.57 | tralala | Twist, in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:54.00 | Kumbi | who #krypt77 |
| 13:54.09 | Kumbi | sorry |
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| 13:54.46 | Stephaknee | I thought the whole fucking point of these stupidass package managers were to not fuck everything up with dependancies. |
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| 13:55.33 | stew | gee, i just can't wait to spend more time helping that person |
| 13:55.42 | petemc | nice chap |
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| 13:56.17 | tralala | !customer |
| 13:56.17 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 13:56.29 | Twist | tralala: How do i use w3m with http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 13:56.48 | mikes_ | hello all! does anyone use amsn in sid?? i have a problem. amsn does not see my ttf fonts |
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| 13:57.19 | tralala | Twist, w3m is a browser and http://channels.debian.net/paste is a site so you use them accordingly |
| 13:57.30 | Twist | tralala: ok |
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| 13:59.12 | abrotman | isn't amsn a console app ? |
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| 13:59.45 | tralala | abrotman, that would make the problem even more difficult to solve |
| 13:59.52 | N`Kr1pt | Hi, I have this folder and it must be rwx for both the trainers and admins group. Is this possible? |
| 14:00.02 | wols | abrotman: no. unless libx11-6 is something new |
| 14:00.02 | unlink | stew: easiest...with the default packages... |
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| 14:00.16 | waltercool | how can i upgrade kernel in debian? |
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| 14:00.28 | xand | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 14:00.42 | tralala | waltercool, it depends |
| 14:00.54 | flami | upgrade? you mean like useing 2.6.21? or jsut a new debian kernel ? |
| 14:01.00 | zeth | Hello, newbie question, how do I search through installed packages with apt? |
| 14:01.11 | waltercool | 2.4 to 2.6.xx |
| 14:01.18 | N`Kr1pt | zeth, ue dpkg for that |
| 14:01.21 | xand | waltercool: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:01.28 | xand | (what does cat /etc/debian_version say) |
| 14:01.29 | Twist | tralala: ok its up |
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| 14:01.35 | tralala | zeth, /msg dpkg aptitude-fu |
| 14:01.49 | waltercool | im not using yet... im downloading DSL for install debian in PC's |
| 14:01.54 | nailbiter | zeth: You can use "dpkg -l" to get a brief list of installed packages. |
| 14:02.01 | waltercool | via pendrive |
| 14:02.03 | tralala | Twist, would you share the url of the paste? |
| 14:02.12 | waltercool | and DSL comes with 2.4 |
| 14:02.13 | Twist | sure sorry |
| 14:02.13 | flami | waltercool, why dsl? and not just the debian installer ? |
| 14:02.28 | Twist | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/31049 |
| 14:02.29 | waltercool | because pendrive debian installer don't work |
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| 14:02.45 | flami | you dont have cdroms ? |
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| 14:02.58 | abrotman | waltercool: what OS is currently on this machine ? |
| 14:03.13 | waltercool | a dammed kubuntu xD |
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| 14:03.18 | Stephaknee | Is there a way to cheat and boot a live cd when i dont have a cdrom that works? |
| 14:03.25 | Stephaknee | or something equivalent? |
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| 14:03.35 | flami | ... anyway if you ahve a complete debian install you run aptitude install linux_image... what you need |
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| 14:03.45 | N`Kr1pt | Stephaknee, you can boot any liveCD distro from usb |
| 14:04.12 | waltercool | for ex. apt-get install linux-kernel and self-install, no? |
| 14:04.12 | Stephaknee | N`Kr1pt: I never said i had that. |
| 14:04.35 | N`Kr1pt | Stephaknee, exactly how old is your computer?? |
| 14:04.40 | Stephaknee | i have *no* external media other than a floppy drive.......and i dont have any blank floppy disks |
| 14:04.49 | Stephaknee | N`Kr1pt: its not that old. about 6 years. |
| 14:04.51 | zeth | Thanks everyone for that. |
| 14:04.54 | Stephaknee | N`Kr1pt: it has a cdrom, but its broken. |
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| 14:05.04 | Stephaknee | N`Kr1pt: it has usb, but i don't have a usb stick. |
| 14:05.17 | N`Kr1pt | ok, go buy one ^^ |
| 14:05.21 | zeth | I have a mysql install on a server that cannot use /tmp and it is getting angry |
| 14:05.22 | tralala | Twist, I can see that dri is loaded which means you didn't take the howto too literally |
| 14:05.24 | waltercool | lol |
| 14:05.32 | stew | rube-goldberg rescue! |
| 14:05.36 | petemc | heh |
| 14:05.40 | dondelelcaro | zeth: why can't it use /tmp ? |
| 14:05.44 | catlee | in /etc/apt/preferences, what names can be used for the "Pin: release a=..." lines? stable / testing / unstable? etch / lenny / sid? |
| 14:05.45 | zeth | so I try reinstall the package |
| 14:05.49 | poncha | Stephaknee, you have to have at least some media to boot from ... :) |
| 14:05.59 | dondelelcaro | catlee: whatever is listed in the Release file for a distribution |
| 14:06.00 | Twist | tralala: should i do it over? |
| 14:06.03 | Stephaknee | poncha: i have a floppy drive, and i can probably erase a floppy. |
| 14:06.07 | zeth | dondelelcaro don't know yet, I did not set up this server |
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| 14:06.09 | Stephaknee | sigh. |
| 14:06.19 | Stephaknee | i am just going to go beat the shit out of apt-get, aptitude, and dpkg. |
| 14:06.20 | zeth | dondelelcaro errors look like this |
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| 14:06.23 | zeth | Can't create/write to file '/tmp/#sql_6704_0.MYI' |
| 14:06.25 | Stephaknee | those fucking bitches. |
| 14:06.34 | flami | waltercool, its aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 or -amd64 ... |
| 14:06.34 | stew | Stephaknee: please keep it constructive. if you ahve questions, ask them |
| 14:06.47 | dondelelcaro | zeth: what are the permissions of /tmp? |
| 14:07.05 | Stephaknee | stew: i'm just getting really really really frustrated. I don't have a CLUE how to use aptitude. |
| 14:07.06 | N`Kr1pt | Hi, I have this folder and it must be rwx for both the trainers and admins group. Is this possible? ---> nobody??? |
| 14:07.08 | waltercool | flami: Where u get this info? debian repositories? |
| 14:07.12 | catlee | dondelelcaro: The codename? |
| 14:07.19 | tralala | Stephaknee, bitching about the package management tools in here puts you in a minority group |
| 14:07.21 | catlee | dondelelcaro: Or suite? |
| 14:07.28 | zeth | drwxr-sr-x |
| 14:07.29 | dondelelcaro | catlee: depends on the Release file |
| 14:07.32 | flami | apt-cahce search linux-image |
| 14:07.32 | tralala | Twist, yes |
| 14:07.36 | dondelelcaro | zeth: well, there's your problem |
| 14:07.37 | flami | cache |
| 14:07.40 | zeth | yup |
| 14:07.41 | dondelelcaro | zeth: it should be 1777 |
| 14:08.00 | Twist | ok |
| 14:08.09 | flami | waltercool, or browse the repos . |
| 14:08.10 | waltercool | :o... ic... linux-image-version-enviroment |
| 14:08.20 | waltercool | web repos? |
| 14:08.22 | flami | ye but etch doesnt have 2.4 |
| 14:08.24 | stew | Stephaknee: well you used to not have a clue, now you know about 'g', '+' and maybe ',' and maybe 'm', becuase you were asking questions. keep asking questions and you'll know more. or hit '?' for a list of keys, or read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 14:08.27 | flami | yes |
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| 14:08.58 | zeth | dondelelcaro cheers, on redhat it is 1777, I thought maybe Debian did it this way to be more secure or something |
| 14:09.08 | Stephaknee | stew: i feel like an ass because every time i go to a linux channel and ask a question, no matter how well researched it is, they bitch at me and tell me to read man pages. |
| 14:09.09 | dondelelcaro | zeth: nah; tmp has to be 1777 |
| 14:09.11 | tosh| | anyone running linux on a loox 720? |
| 14:09.13 | zeth | but it seems that it is an error |
| 14:09.15 | waltercool | ok ;) |
| 14:09.20 | zeth | cheers again |
| 14:09.21 | waltercool | thanks flami :) |
| 14:09.29 | dondelelcaro | Stephaknee: it would also be useful if you gave us the ouutput that you're seeing; /msg dpkg bat; for information on how to do that |
| 14:09.43 | catlee | dondelelcaro: Does it depend on my /etc/apt/sources as well? |
| 14:09.45 | Stephaknee | stew: but, when it actually goes and installs the stuff, it yells about these dependancies. than it lets me go back into aptitude, and i have no clue how to fix the dependancies. |
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| 14:10.11 | dondelelcaro | !tell Stephaknee about bat |
| 14:10.18 | dondelelcaro | Stephaknee: follow those instructions so we can see the issue |
| 14:10.21 | Stephaknee | stew: to be honest, i have hated every package management tool i have ever used....except emerge, and to be honest, i hated gentoo because of all the compiling. |
| 14:10.33 | stew | Stephaknee: if you feel that what I've been doing is bitching, i'll stop |
| 14:10.43 | zeth | dondelelcaro yup that fixed it, thanks again |
| 14:10.45 | catlee | dondelelcaro: Say I'm getting http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release vs http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release |
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| 14:10.50 | Stephaknee | stew: no, you've been really good. |
| 14:10.50 | N`Kr1pt | Stephaknee, APT is pretty powerfull IF YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT |
| 14:11.00 | N`Kr1pt | classic case of PEBKAC imo |
| 14:11.08 | dondelelcaro | N`Kr1pt: that's not particularly useful. |
| 14:11.14 | Twist | tralala: Bad kernel version specification at /usr/bin/m-a line 566, <$apt> line 7 |
| 14:11.16 | dondelelcaro | N`Kr1pt: if you don't want to help someone, /ignore them. |
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| 14:11.23 | stew | actually, i'll stop anyway, becuase i have to go see a client |
| 14:11.28 | tralala | Stephaknee, try learning the debian's package management tools and you'll start loving them |
| 14:11.33 | N`Kr1pt | I'm just trying to get him to RTFM :) |
| 14:11.34 | dondelelcaro | catlee: nah; that doesn't matter. Only the contents of the Release file does |
| 14:11.45 | Stephaknee | I KNOW HOW TO USE APT. I have used it for YEARS with no major issues. |
| 14:12.05 | Stephaknee | fuck you. |
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| 14:12.11 | dondelelcaro | N`Kr1pt: it's not useful to do that without first discovering what the problem is so an appropriate manpage can be found. |
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| 14:12.25 | N`Kr1pt | OK I overreacted :( |
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| 14:12.37 | hjb | Hi. Anyone is running Beryl under Etch or Lenny? I have trouble with gnome-terminal true transparency. |
| 14:12.53 | tralala | someone needs an anger management course/shrink visit |
| 14:12.58 | Twist | tralala: Bad kernel version specification at /usr/bin/m-a line 566, <$apt> line 7 |
| 14:12.59 | Ronin | apparently |
| 14:13.00 | hjb | Anyone knows how i can enable true transparency for gnome-terminal? |
| 14:13.12 | Twist | tralala: im sorry to be a drag |
| 14:14.01 | tralala | Twist, I have to go. Paste the whole output in the channel, somebody else might be able to help you. |
| 14:14.16 | wols | tralala: are you nuts?? |
| 14:14.33 | wols | !tell Twist about paster |
| 14:14.45 | wols | tralala: is it sunday where you are? |
| 14:14.48 | N`Kr1pt | don't paste , you'll get kicked ;) |
| 14:14.56 | hjb | Oh, never mind |
| 14:15.03 | hjb | I have an too old version |
| 14:15.36 | hjb | Now i have a new question: will i be able to run the 2.16 gnome-terminal from unstable under lenny? |
| 14:15.48 | hjb | Or do i have to upgrade the whole gnome-bunch |
| 14:15.49 | tralala | wols, I've tought him how to paste already |
| 14:15.52 | indraveni | hi, I created a vhost entry for bugzilla in debian etch, but I am not finding any images in my page |
| 14:16.02 | indraveni | my vhost configuration is like |
| 14:16.45 | wols | jae: either you do a simple sid backport or get the whole gnome bunch I'd say. gnome is tricky due to the many lib dependencies for a backport. so usually it's best to port the whole shebang. or wait a bit until it trickels down to lenny |
| 14:16.53 | indraveni | like this http://apache.pastebin.ca/581374 |
| 14:16.59 | wols | btw: don't mix etch and lenny if you already do. dist-upgrade to lenny |
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| 14:17.19 | indraveni | what do I need to add ot this configuration to get the images in the page? |
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| 14:18.55 | rahul | wtf |
| 14:19.14 | rahul | doubleyoo teeeeee effffffff |
| 14:19.52 | dondelelcaro | indraveni: most likely you need to alias wherver the images are being looked for to the appropriate directory |
| 14:20.02 | Twist | oh for god sake :( |
| 14:20.13 | dondelelcaro | probably something like /usr/share/bugzilla/images or whatever. |
| 14:20.14 | Twist | can someone take a look at my X log? |
| 14:20.29 | dondelelcaro | Twist: put it on a paste site and someone may look at it |
| 14:20.34 | Twist | http://paste.debian.net/31049 |
| 14:20.43 | Twist | allready there :( |
| 14:20.47 | Twist | All i have is black. |
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| 14:22.03 | dondelelcaro | Twist: well, it doesn't look terribly exciting; do you have your xorg.conf too? |
| 14:22.21 | Twist | give me a min and i can get it uploaded |
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| 14:23.35 | dondelelcaro | Twist: also, is any signal getting to the monitor? is the signal there out of the range of the monitor? |
| 14:24.28 | Twist | dondelelcaro: there is signal |
| 14:24.37 | Twist | i will try and upload my conf |
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| 14:25.42 | Savio_R | stew: I get it, installed. But I opened a file and it have such things like this: "çã" |
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| 14:28.29 | Twist | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/31049 |
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| 14:29.41 | dondelelcaro | Twist: that's the X output, not the conffile |
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| 14:30.03 | Twist | dondelelcaro: Ah thats the old link |
| 14:30.05 | Twist | second |
| 14:30.06 | dondelelcaro | Twist: but in any event, it looks like you're using the nvidia module. Try using the nv module instead. |
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| 14:30.28 | Twist | think it will work? |
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| 14:32.00 | dondelelcaro | well, it has more likelyhood of doing so. There's unfortunatly nothing that I can do about the nvidia module, short of sending you to talk to nvidia. |
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| 14:32.36 | Twist | dondelelcaro: rebooting |
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| 14:33.29 | rod_insigne | people I have a problem with driver vesa.... When run DVD result in slow screen |
| 14:33.34 | rod_insigne | any suggestions? |
| 14:33.37 | Twist | dondelelcaro: Failed to start the X server |
| 14:33.50 | dlinsky_ | Hi, I have some trouble using my X: I switched from Ubuntu to Debian yesterday and I have been using X via XDMCP for some time now. Starting X with a remote login works, but when I try to switch to a TTY, my machine freezes. Any ideas? |
| 14:33.54 | Twist | dondelelcaro: No screens found. |
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| 14:34.30 | rahul | dlinsky_: buggy video drivers :( |
| 14:34.55 | rahul | dlinsky_: maybe you have to tell it to use FB mode switching, actually |
| 14:35.11 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.24 | dlinsky_ | Well, it worked out fine under Ubuntu, but I'll try... thanks so far :) |
| 14:35.32 | dlinsky_ | Which section? |
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| 14:35.33 | rahul | bugs come and go |
| 14:35.38 | rahul | under the device section |
| 14:35.44 | dlinsky_ | Thanks |
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| 14:36.45 | rod_insigne | people I have a problem with driver vesa.... When run DVD result in slow screen, I use Xine |
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| 14:36.49 | roaet | Helllo! |
| 14:37.03 | dlinsky_ | Do I need to restart any daemons for that? |
| 14:37.08 | rahul | dlinsky_: the X server |
| 14:37.17 | dlinsky_ | Okay |
| 14:37.28 | rahul | rod_insigne: vesa doesn't support DVD acceleration (the Xv extention) |
| 14:37.46 | rahul | well, not just DVD, but MPEG and other video formats, too |
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| 14:38.29 | rod_insigne | rahul: hummm... thank's... my device not supported for unichrome latest branch |
| 14:38.34 | pickcoder | info policyd-weight lenny |
| 14:38.38 | dondelelcaro | Twist: hrm; well, it's possible that nv doesn't support your chip then. |
| 14:38.38 | pickcoder | gah |
| 14:39.00 | albert_ | I'm experiencing problems with my sound. xmms seems to use the whole device. since i am able to listen to musik while f.e. watching a movie on youtube i wonder if there is a fix to this |
| 14:39.02 | dondelelcaro | Twist: you might try using a newer version of the nvidia driver if you can find one, but beyond that I don't have any suggestions |
| 14:39.10 | abrotman | albert_: have xmms use alsa |
| 14:39.11 | Twist | ok.. :( |
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| 14:39.20 | albert_ | abrotman, ty |
| 14:39.29 | dlinsky__ | rahul: Didn't work... :| |
| 14:39.45 | rahul | dlinsky__: hrm... which card? |
| 14:39.56 | rahul | have abrotman use dondelelcaro |
| 14:40.17 | dlinsky__ | rahul: S3 Savage/IX-MV |
| 14:40.22 | rahul | dlinsky__: ouch |
| 14:40.23 | dlinsky__ | Using VESA drivers |
| 14:40.24 | albert_ | abrotman, works, ty |
| 14:40.26 | rahul | yeah... |
| 14:40.37 | rahul | dlinsky__: my condolences |
| 14:40.53 | dlinsky__ | Yeah, I did not choose the card, it's a second-hand laptop |
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| 14:41.35 | abrotman | rahul: ? |
| 14:41.47 | rahul | abrotman: ; |
| 14:41.49 | abrotman | ok |
| 14:41.55 | rahul | ko |
| 14:42.53 | dlinsky__ | But as said: It worked fine until now... so there seem to be working drivers for that chip |
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| 14:43.50 | rahul | dlinsky__: usefbmode is the only thing I can think of that will affect this |
| 14:44.30 | dlinsky__ | So I should be trying to disable the console fbdev? |
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| 14:47.44 | dlinsky__ | And yet another tricky piece seems to be activating acpi stuff on a Thinkpad T20 (e.g. moving to standby on lid close) |
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| 14:50.01 | rahul | dlinsky__: yeah, switching to vga text mode console might help |
| 14:50.22 | rahul | dlinsky__: standby/suspend can really screw up some drivers, btw |
| 14:51.00 | dlinsky__ | I have not tried it yet, just noticed, it's not working as I got used to |
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| 14:51.40 | dlinsky__ | btw: I booted with vga=792 option, so my consoles are running in VGA mode, aren't they? |
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| 14:51.52 | dlinsky__ | Sorry for some stupid question like that... :| |
| 14:52.09 | rahul | not necessarily |
| 14:52.19 | rahul | you probably need to prevent the fb driver from kicking in |
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| 14:53.05 | nantes_geek | hi ! |
| 14:53.16 | nantes_geek | to speak about xen in french : #xenfr |
| 14:53.29 | dlinsky__ | But removing that option should be working for real VGA? |
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| 14:58.03 | cast | just so i'm sure...debian will *never* use /usr/local right? |
| 14:58.18 | h3sp4wn | cast: correct |
| 14:58.19 | Ronin | never say never :) |
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| 14:58.55 | h3sp4wn | cast: (only time you would ever get deb's doing that is from crappy 3rd party sites that used something like checkinstall) |
| 14:58.57 | Enverex | Why not? Or rather what's wrong with it? |
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| 14:59.27 | cast | Enverex: whats wrong with debs using /usr/local? |
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| 15:00.27 | h3sp4wn | Enverex: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#USRLOCALLOCALHIERARCHY |
| 15:00.40 | cast | Enverex: it leads to confusion, locally compiled and 'make install'ed programs getting mixed with stuff being managed by apt is not cool. as is i could just rm -fr the entire contents of /usr/local and know it wasn't going to fuck up any debian packages :) |
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| 15:01.19 | h3sp4wn | Enverex: Its not that you shouldn't use it, its just apt certainly shouldn't use it |
| 15:01.27 | Enverex | Oh right |
| 15:01.30 | Enverex | Yeah, that makes sense |
| 15:01.43 | Talaturen | Hello, I get errors when I'm trying to run a game, it says my X Server has no OpenGL extension and that I have to ensure my X Server features an OpenGL extension, where do I fix that? |
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| 15:04.31 | edistar | since etch was released I noticed that the installer has become quite unstable, often hanging at the configuration of apt... has anyone else experienced this problem too? |
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| 15:05.00 | edistar | Talaturen: your 3d driver for you graphics card is not activated yet |
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| 15:05.12 | edistar | do you have nvidia? |
| 15:05.21 | Talaturen | radeon |
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| 15:05.52 | edistar | Talaturen: ok.. did you install the ati driver? |
| 15:06.30 | Talaturen | edistar, xserver-xorg-video-ati? |
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| 15:07.49 | edistar | Talaturen: http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 15:07.54 | abrotman | Talaturen: what card do you have |
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| 15:07.58 | abrotman | edistar: don't use that anymore |
| 15:08.05 | edistar | ok |
| 15:08.18 | abrotman | i don't think he even maintains that page anymore .. |
| 15:08.22 | ustunozgur | "These packages are hopelessly out of date and I don't think I'll have time to update them in the near future" |
| 15:08.29 | edistar | abrotman: I have nvidia, only hat ati 3 years ago.. so I don't know anymore what is current ;) |
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| 15:08.47 | abrotman | Talaturen: which model do you have ? |
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| 15:09.23 | Talaturen | I'm having problems with fglrx.. check this perhaps you know why: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=15969&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30 |
| 15:09.36 | abrotman | Talaturen: which model card do you have ? |
| 15:09.43 | Talaturen | ATI Radeon X1600 |
| 15:09.55 | edistar | oO, is that supported well? |
| 15:09.58 | abrotman | does ATI even have drivers for that yet? |
| 15:10.06 | Enverex | Yes |
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| 15:10.13 | Enverex | I have my X1700 working in Debian |
| 15:10.25 | Talaturen | worked with etch, when I upgraded to lenny I got an upgrade of fglrx which just gives me blackscreen when it's supposed to display the login screen.. |
| 15:10.36 | abrotman | Talaturen: have you reinstalled them since / |
| 15:10.37 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:10.43 | Talaturen | yes |
| 15:11.02 | abrotman | and your X log ? |
| 15:11.17 | Talaturen | http://www.pastebin.ca/574494 |
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| 15:12.00 | abrotman | is it a mac ? |
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| 15:12.18 | abrotman | first .. remove the BusID line from your xorg.conf |
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| 15:12.35 | abrotman | then try again .. see what happens |
| 15:12.36 | Talaturen | I've tried that |
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| 15:12.46 | abrotman | if it's x86 .. you shouldn't need that |
| 15:12.52 | Talaturen | x64 |
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| 15:13.11 | abrotman | (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:3:0:1) found |
| 15:13.26 | karrotx | can you make an iso from a cd, such as mkisofs /mnt/cdrom /new/place.iso |
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| 15:13.55 | Kevin` | uh. |
| 15:13.59 | Kevin` | if you want to make an iso from a cd |
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| 15:14.02 | Kevin` | read it as an iso |
| 15:14.14 | Kevin` | plus, that command won't work since it will output both files |
| 15:14.19 | dlinsky | Try dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/new/place.iso |
| 15:14.21 | Kevin` | cat /dev/cdrom >something.iso |
| 15:14.33 | Absolute0 | any one knows what file is equivalent to .bashrc for ksh? |
| 15:14.42 | Absolute0 | i want to start bash at startup |
| 15:14.49 | Kevin` | if either of those have problems, use readcd, as it handles things nicely to make an iso |
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| 15:14.51 | Absolute0 | my system admin made ksh the default terminal |
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| 15:17.28 | h3sp4wn | Absolute0: can you not use chsh |
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| 15:17.50 | cast | Absolute0: is there a man ksh? |
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| 15:18.42 | auk100 | hello |
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| 15:18.54 | abrotman | Absolute0: or man ksh ? |
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| 15:19.47 | cast | abrotman: we could form a RAIDU [Debian Users] |
| 15:19.57 | jetscreamer | my bastardized debian ubuntu conversion seems stable... a big waste of time, but informative |
| 15:19.58 | abrotman | we could ? |
| 15:20.10 | abrotman | jetscreamer: and now no one will support you! :) |
| 15:20.29 | jetscreamer | good thing i usually don't need it... :) |
| 15:20.34 | auk100 | where in ubuntu is the file controlling startup scripts? |
| 15:20.44 | jetscreamer | heh... that's a weird one |
| 15:20.49 | jetscreamer | it's a package |
| 15:21.01 | jetscreamer | startup-somethhing |
| 15:21.02 | abrotman | auk100: ask #ubuntu |
| 15:21.03 | dlinsky | rahul: I still don't get it... |
| 15:21.16 | jetscreamer | their sysv is different too... |
| 15:21.27 | auk100 | ah, so there is actually an ubuntu channel. |
| 15:21.34 | auk100 | okies, ty guys. off i go then =) |
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| 15:21.37 | cast | auk100: its the biggest channel here... |
| 15:21.52 | jetscreamer | most of their feisty packages are like 2 minor versions behind sid |
| 15:21.57 | jetscreamer | still a mess |
| 15:22.06 | auk100 | well, when i did a channel search for ubuntu, #debian came up as the number 1 result |
| 15:22.11 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 15:22.30 | auk100 | and since their so similar, i just figured it'd work. |
| 15:22.36 | jetscreamer | well 80% of their packages still have the wrod debian somewhere.. 90% if you look at the code maybe |
| 15:22.52 | auk100 | well again, thx and bye. |
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| 15:22.59 | jetscreamer | it might, but there are differences that would/might mess you up |
| 15:23.01 | jetscreamer | depending |
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| 15:23.08 | waltercool | hi there |
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| 15:23.16 | abrotman | i went there! |
| 15:23.21 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i just compiled software foobar. i want to look at it's man page before installing the software. would appreciate some help |
| 15:23.26 | waltercool | how can i upgrade my distro? i cant :S |
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| 15:23.32 | cast | one thing more does have over less is i can go tree -C | more and get the actual color :) |
| 15:23.34 | waltercool | and im in console... |
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| 15:23.55 | jetscreamer | try online, google for the ;manpage... many sites just have them as html |
| 15:24.05 | abrotman | waltercool: upgrade to what from what? |
| 15:24.14 | jetscreamer | !info most |
| 15:24.18 | waltercool | abrotman 3.x to 4 |
| 15:24.20 | js_ | does anybody here user dell open manage server administartor? the web interface won't let me log in |
| 15:24.20 | dpkg | most: (Pager program similar to more and less), section text, is optional. Version: 4.10.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 44 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 15:24.22 | Havis | !ping |
| 15:24.23 | dpkg | pong |
| 15:24.23 | Jerom457 | Pong! |
| 15:24.45 | abrotman | !sarge->etch |
| 15:24.45 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 15:25.05 | waltercool | some idea for... go to web? |
| 15:25.11 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 15:25.11 | abrotman | install w3m |
| 15:25.20 | waltercool | w3m... seeking... |
| 15:25.21 | jetscreamer | w3m or elinks |
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| 15:25.31 | jetscreamer | w3m since abrotman said so |
| 15:25.51 | waltercool | i cant install this packages :( |
| 15:26.06 | jetscreamer | lynx, links, elinks... ? |
| 15:26.28 | waltercool | exist... but no for sarge |
| 15:26.37 | waltercool | appear |
| 15:26.39 | jetscreamer | !info lynx sarge |
| 15:26.46 | dpkg | lynx: (Text-mode WWW Browser), section web, is optional. Version: 2.8.5-2sarge2 (sarge), Packaged size: 1811 kB, Installed size: 4580 kB |
| 15:27.00 | mt | Hello, I'm doing an expert install but I can't seem to find any documentation regarding the differences between kernel 2.6-686, 2.6-486, 2.6.18-4-686 and 2.6.18-4-486 could someone please enlighten me? |
| 15:27.04 | waltercool | how can i install specific? |
| 15:27.23 | jetscreamer | 486 is generic, 686 is optimized for intel architecture |
| 15:27.30 | mt | Yeah okay |
| 15:27.34 | jetscreamer | k-7 is amd optimized |
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| 15:27.40 | mt | but what about 2.6-686 and 2.6.18-686 ? |
| 15:27.48 | jetscreamer | 32bit... i don't know 64bit ones |
| 15:28.08 | jetscreamer | one is a metapackage that will always depend on the latese 686 kernel... |
| 15:28.16 | jetscreamer | the 2.6-686 is |
| 15:28.29 | tralala | Twist, still no luck? |
| 15:28.41 | jetscreamer | the other is the package it depends on atm... later when it sees a more recent kernel, the metapackage would install it |
| 15:28.56 | mt | Ahh nice :-) |
| 15:29.01 | mt | Thanks a lot man :) |
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| 15:30.22 | dererk | is there any way to show which packing has installed/depends on some other? |
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| 15:30.55 | dererk | I've a lot of x libs, and I wanted to know which package has pulled them in |
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| 15:31.43 | test | howto find out which NIC is associated with a interface name |
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| 15:31.47 | mt | Lenny is reasonably stable for desktop use right ? |
| 15:31.57 | azeem | yes |
| 15:32.00 | Ronin | mt: resonably |
| 15:32.01 | cast | use etch. |
| 15:32.04 | dererk | mt, I think yes |
| 15:32.11 | mt | Great, thanks ;-) |
| 15:32.15 | cast | aren't these all lenny uses coming in here complaining about nvidia? |
| 15:32.19 | dererk | test, mii-tools, may be |
| 15:32.55 | cast | test: i look at dmesg |
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| 15:33.16 | thelostbutler | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 15:33.39 | mt | cast: What are those problems with lenny and nvidia? |
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| 15:35.07 | cast | they might be sid users, i'm not sure |
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| 15:35.40 | h3sp4wn | !info nvidia-glx lenny |
| 15:35.43 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 3217 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB |
| 15:35.49 | h3sp4wn | Not surprising |
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| 15:36.03 | h3sp4wn | sid has a version that works with the xserver that is now in sid and lenny |
| 15:36.11 | Enverex | Wow that's old |
| 15:36.20 | Enverex | !info fglrx-drivers |
| 15:36.22 | mt | !info nvidia-glx etch |
| 15:36.23 | cast | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411949 that was the issue anyway |
| 15:36.24 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-4 (etch), Packaged size: 3217 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB |
| 15:36.25 | test | which is better e100 or 8139 |
| 15:36.33 | tralala | dpkg, wb |
| 15:36.33 | dpkg | thanks, tralala. It's good to be back. |
| 15:36.39 | Enverex | !info fglrx-driver |
| 15:36.41 | dpkg | fglrx-driver: (display driver for the ATI graphics accelerators), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.37.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5659 kB, Installed size: 16311 kB |
| 15:36.43 | Twist | tralala: nope nothing |
| 15:36.57 | h3sp4wn | Do non-free packages automatically go down from sid -> lenny (or is manual intervention required) |
| 15:36.58 | mt | !info nvidia-glx sid |
| 15:37.00 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 100.14.09-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4139 kB, Installed size: 13172 kB |
| 15:37.08 | tralala | Twist, did you redo the steps from the howto? |
| 15:37.18 | Twist | tralala: yeah |
| 15:37.38 | cast | mt: ahh it looks like lenny uses 2.6.18, i guess there is no lenny/nvidia issue and only a sid/nvidia issue |
| 15:37.56 | h3sp4wn | cast: Does it work with xserver 1.3.0 |
| 15:37.58 | mt | Ahh okay ;) Thanks :-) |
| 15:38.04 | Twist | etch dosnt like nvidia either |
| 15:38.10 | h3sp4wn | I think only 9xxx + does |
| 15:38.38 | Gujiz | hmmh, what would be the "best" imap server for debian? |
| 15:38.39 | wols | cast: apparently I heard people say it does |
| 15:38.46 | wols | !best |
| 15:38.46 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 15:38.48 | mt | Twist: How's that? I haven't had any trouble with etch and geforce 7900gt so far |
| 15:38.54 | Twist | tralala: do you want me to try and set up an ssh connection for you? |
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| 15:39.02 | cast | wols: does what? |
| 15:39.05 | Twist | well i cant even start x with my 8600 |
| 15:39.07 | wols | Gujiz: you have 3 choices: dovecot, courier, cyrus. those are the best compared tot he rest. which one is preference |
| 15:39.12 | mt | oh :( |
| 15:40.03 | mick_home | anyone know of a good way to remove duplicate files from a system? i have looked into this before - and i found a python script that didn't work :-/ |
| 15:40.19 | mick_home | i am putting like 70 DVDs on a HDD |
| 15:40.31 | mick_home | and some info is duplicate data |
| 15:40.37 | petemc | fslint |
| 15:40.41 | mick_home | actually - most is probably duplicate |
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| 15:41.25 | hark | cast: there's the xserver-xorg-core 1.3 incompatibilty with the drivers in lenny iirc |
| 15:41.27 | cast | mick_home: fdups |
| 15:41.30 | jetscreamer | you'll 'probably' need the nvidia binary, nv might not support it |
| 15:41.37 | Twist | tralala: are you too busy for that kinda thing? |
| 15:41.39 | cast | mick_home: fdupes sorry :) |
| 15:41.59 | tralala | Twist, it seems from your xorg log that the model of the card is not recognized by the driver |
| 15:42.19 | Twist | are there anyother drivers? |
| 15:42.23 | hackl | hello. is it possible to write a individuell man page i.e. $ man linux-commands that would be reconized when executed that way |
| 15:42.32 | Twist | or do i need to reinstall windows :( |
| 15:42.38 | xand | hackl: yes. |
| 15:42.58 | mick_home | thanks petemc and cast |
| 15:43.24 | jetscreamer | ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/nv.4.html |
| 15:43.32 | tralala | Twist, what's the output of lspci -v |
| 15:43.43 | jetscreamer | ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/nv.4.html#toc3 |
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| 15:44.03 | jetscreamer | m-a a-i nvidia |
| 15:44.15 | Twist | ill restart sec |
| 15:44.20 | tralala | Twist, is that a laptop btw? |
| 15:44.26 | Twist | no |
| 15:44.30 | Twist | its alienware |
| 15:45.15 | sussudio | ... |
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| 15:45.28 | Twist | tralala: there is a huge output |
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| 15:45.53 | jetscreamer | lspci |grep VGA |
| 15:45.58 | jetscreamer | or grep -i vga |
| 15:46.05 | Twist | ok |
| 15:46.07 | tralala | Twist, lspci -v > hugeoutput, and then paste it the same way you did with the xorg log |
| 15:46.23 | Twist | ok ikll do that |
| 15:46.56 | jetscreamer | he already said it was an 8600 or 8xxx, and from the xorg nv page we see it's not suported..... |
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| 15:47.36 | tralala | jetscreamer, he has installed the binary driver but it crashes his box |
| 15:47.40 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 15:47.47 | jetscreamer | m-a a-i nvidia ? |
| 15:48.08 | Twist | http://paste.debian.net/31049 |
| 15:48.11 | tralala | jetscreamer, wiki.debian.org/NvidiaHowto |
| 15:48.15 | jetscreamer | m-a a-i -f nvidia |
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| 15:48.47 | jetscreamer | then apt-get install nvidia-glx ... least that always works for me |
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| 15:49.09 | jetscreamer | This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates. Before creating the page, please check if a similar page already e |
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| 15:49.20 | jetscreamer | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaHowto |
| 15:49.24 | tralala | jetscreamer, wiki.debian.org/NvidiaHowTo |
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| 15:49.37 | Twist | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/31049 |
| 15:49.49 | Twist | thats what you wanted rigght? |
| 15:50.57 | jetscreamer | i think you have freamebuffer true in xorg.xonf |
| 15:51.00 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 15:51.13 | jetscreamer | but you do not want framebuffere enabled in xorg.xonf with nvidia |
| 15:51.20 | jetscreamer | conf |
| 15:51.32 | Twist | ok, i can try removing that |
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| 15:51.36 | jetscreamer | II) Loading sub module "fb" |
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| 15:52.02 | tralala | Twist, no, I wanted the output of lspci |
| 15:52.08 | jetscreamer | it is an obvious directive, easy to see what it is... the default is no/false |
| 15:52.29 | jetscreamer | do what tralala says though, i'm just an observer |
| 15:52.37 | Twist | ah ok. sorry |
| 15:52.44 | tralala | jetscreamer, I'm more worried about that: 139. (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) nVidia Corporation unknown chipset (0x0400) |
| 15:52.56 | jetscreamer | update-pciids maybe |
| 15:52.59 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 15:53.21 | jetscreamer | NVIDIA X Driver 1.0-8776 |
| 15:53.23 | tralala | jetscreamer, lspci will show |
| 15:53.31 | jetscreamer | sarge? |
| 15:53.50 | jetscreamer | the 9xxx series supports a lot more iirc |
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| 15:54.04 | tralala | jetscreamer, etch |
| 15:54.18 | jetscreamer | i get the 9's with sid, all i know |
| 15:54.20 | Twist | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/31059 |
| 15:54.31 | h3sp4wn | sid is 100.x now |
| 15:54.49 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 15:55.06 | tralala | Twist, now with -v |
| 15:55.22 | jetscreamer | it does say unknown though |
| 15:55.32 | tralala | right |
| 15:55.36 | Twist | the first was with -v i think |
| 15:55.38 | tralala | Twist, run update-pciids |
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| 15:55.48 | tralala | Twist, the first was the xorg log |
| 15:56.08 | jetscreamer | no EE's in it, either |
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| 15:56.17 | Ind[y] | The whole thing with the Keyring Manager is just nonsense and should immediately be removed! |
| 15:56.23 | Enverex | Twist, Is that a desktop PC or a Laptop? |
| 15:56.27 | tralala | jetscreamer, it could be the framebuffer |
| 15:56.27 | jetscreamer | ok iirc you can turn it off Ind[y] |
| 15:56.33 | Twist | desktop |
| 15:56.36 | Ind[y] | jetscreamer: no |
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| 15:56.49 | Ind[y] | jetscreamer: how can I? |
| 15:56.50 | jetscreamer | apt-secure or so |
| 15:57.02 | jetscreamer | not sure, just know it can be done |
| 15:57.06 | Twist | tralala: Do you still ne the -v ? |
| 15:57.08 | Ind[y] | jetscreamer: :/ |
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| 15:57.23 | jetscreamer | what keyring thing btw |
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| 15:57.30 | jetscreamer | which |
| 15:57.47 | jetscreamer | i was guessing the apt-get one |
| 15:58.04 | Ind[y] | when I turn on my pc, I am asked for the Default Keyring by the Keyring Manager, in order to connect to my wirless network. |
| 15:58.20 | jetscreamer | ah that's different |
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| 15:58.23 | jetscreamer | and i don't know |
| 15:58.25 | tralala | Twist, try to reconfigure the xorg, disabling dri and framebuffer |
| 15:58.32 | tralala | Twist, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 15:58.44 | Enverex | Ind[y], I agree, it's really annoying |
| 15:58.57 | jetscreamer | apt-get install hwinfo && hwinfo --monitor before drxx |
| 15:58.58 | jetscreamer | imo |
| 15:59.01 | Ind[y] | jetscreamer: The Keyring Manager and its behaviour is a bug itself and should be completely discarded. |
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| 15:59.34 | Ind[y] | Enverex: I hope they release an update that just removes the whole thing. |
| 15:59.39 | Twist | tralala: autodetect video hardware? |
| 15:59.43 | jetscreamer | there's probably a way to tell it to use a certain key by default or on a per network basis, but i'm guessing |
| 15:59.45 | jetscreamer | yes twist |
| 15:59.47 | Enverex | I thought the point of the keyring is that as you're logged in it auths stuff for you, but instead you end up having to just unlock the keyrin instead |
| 15:59.58 | Ind[y] | Enverex: Exactly |
| 16:00.00 | jetscreamer | auto good, esp if you apt-get install read-edid mdetect first |
| 16:00.06 | Twist | X server driver nv or the nvidia? |
| 16:00.23 | jetscreamer | nvidia? ask the boss... :) |
| 16:00.25 | Enverex | nv is the crap one |
| 16:00.36 | jetscreamer | no nv is the one that doesn't support his gpu |
| 16:00.40 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 16:00.58 | Enverex | nv has performance on par with the "Generic VGA" driver in Windows |
| 16:01.02 | Enverex | == crap |
| 16:01.06 | jetscreamer | nv doesn't do 3d |
| 16:01.11 | cast | Enverex: in some ways nv is crap, in some ways nvidia is crap. |
| 16:01.16 | tralala | Twist, nvidia |
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| 16:02.19 | jetscreamer | nv does it's job well as defined by the parameters it was build with |
| 16:02.27 | jetscreamer | built |
| 16:02.41 | jetscreamer | builded |
| 16:02.42 | Twist | ok done |
| 16:03.02 | Twist | reboot? |
| 16:03.11 | jetscreamer | no |
| 16:03.13 | Twist | ok. |
| 16:03.13 | tralala | Twist, no. Are you in single mode? |
| 16:03.13 | jetscreamer | why? |
| 16:03.17 | Twist | yes |
| 16:03.19 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 16:03.21 | h3sp4wn | nv is accelerated for 2d is it not (Its massively obfusicated though :/) |
| 16:03.26 | tralala | Twist, type X, see if it hangs |
| 16:03.31 | Twist | ok |
| 16:03.33 | jetscreamer | startx |
| 16:03.35 | jetscreamer | not X |
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| 16:03.44 | tralala | X, not startx |
| 16:03.47 | jetscreamer | nm :/ |
| 16:03.54 | Twist | Black Screen |
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| 16:04.16 | jetscreamer | did you ever apt-get install nvidia-glx ? you have to, it's not automatic |
| 16:04.18 | tralala | Twist, ctrl+alt+f1? |
| 16:04.28 | Twist | nothing |
| 16:04.41 | tralala | Twist, reboot, and paste the new xorg log |
| 16:04.46 | Twist | ok |
| 16:05.02 | ben_goodger | incidentally, nvidia on lenny is apparently broken |
| 16:05.27 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 16:05.29 | tralala | propriarity drivers are broken by default |
| 16:05.34 | jetscreamer | i said sarge.. i meant etch |
| 16:05.39 | tralala | even on windows |
| 16:05.44 | ben_goodger | yes, spare us the FSF rhetoric |
| 16:05.47 | jetscreamer | blame the admin |
| 16:05.50 | Twist | tralala: if its easyer i can set up a ssh for you i guess.. |
| 16:05.50 | jetscreamer | i do |
| 16:05.56 | jetscreamer | no |
| 16:05.59 | jetscreamer | bad form |
| 16:06.15 | jetscreamer | and ppl laugh at you when you suggest it |
| 16:06.21 | jetscreamer | it's horrible :) |
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| 16:06.38 | jetscreamer | did you ever do update-pciids ? |
| 16:06.42 | ben_goodger | I am the admin, and I want blender to work |
| 16:06.48 | Twist | yeah... |
| 16:06.49 | jetscreamer | blender works here |
| 16:06.52 | tralala | Twist, only if your not affraid that I'll own your computer forever... |
| 16:07.02 | petemc | ben_goodger: thats not FSF rhetoric, thats from the kernel developers |
| 16:07.10 | Twist | tralala: i guess ill trust you.. |
| 16:07.11 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 16:07.24 | Twist | i can allways reformat :) |
| 16:07.33 | jetscreamer | paravirtualization is probably enabled in the lenny kernel |
| 16:07.37 | ben_goodger | petemc: yes, whatever. we all know that proprietary stuff is broken in terms of open sauce and free software. we need to get over this, and concentrate on making the bastards work |
| 16:07.49 | h3sp4wn | tralala: They don't have to be - (compare the commercial performance of accelerated X with a card where both parties had the specs - i.e radeon 9000 or whatever - with xorg) the commercial one performs at least twice as well (I tested it) |
| 16:07.52 | tralala | Twist, my rootkit can survive even a low level format!!! |
| 16:08.04 | petemc | ben_goodger: well, the best way to "make it work" is for the drivers to be open, so.... |
| 16:08.05 | jetscreamer | Twist: no need, it's just the nvidia driver, not debian or xorg that's borked |
| 16:08.06 | Enverex | And the open source drivers are broken because they have f-all funcionality so... |
| 16:08.11 | cast | Twist: he might flash your bios |
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| 16:08.32 | ben_goodger | petemc: yes, I just said we need to get over that initial lump in the road |
| 16:08.39 | petemc | you did? |
| 16:08.41 | jetscreamer | romfs |
| 16:08.46 | Twist | tralala: awh man, second thoughts. |
| 16:08.48 | tralala | h3sp4wn, performance wise yes, stability wise it's at least twice as bad |
| 16:08.50 | ben_goodger | "we need to get over this" |
| 16:08.59 | h3sp4wn | tralala: Not true |
| 16:09.19 | petemc | ben_goodger: i took that to mean "we need to stop worrying about closed source drivers" |
| 16:09.35 | Twist | tralala: want the log? |
| 16:09.38 | jetscreamer | i should put my radeon in here |
| 16:09.43 | ben_goodger | the fact that nvidia aren't going to release free/open drivers any time soon is a fact of life, and not something that can be changed very easily. hence, we need to knuckle down and focus on doing our best with what we have got |
| 16:09.45 | petemc | jetscreamer: even machines with the paravirt_ops thing? |
| 16:09.58 | jetscreamer | petemc: it's called recompile the kernel |
| 16:09.59 | tralala | h3sp4wn, not to mention that on my shiny new etch fglrx makes googleearth use software gl |
| 16:10.03 | Enverex | I've never had stability issues with the nVidia drivers either |
| 16:10.06 | Twist | one sec. |
| 16:10.07 | tralala | Twist, sure |
| 16:10.07 | jelly | h3sp4wn: XiG pricing is a bit overkill for a casual home user though |
| 16:10.11 | petemc | ben_goodger: i, and lots of other people, dont agree - and i am a pragmatist |
| 16:10.37 | cast | ben_goodger: we need to knuckle down and focus...on writing our own drivers. its worked for everything else :) |
| 16:10.42 | jelly | h3sp4wn: if that's what you meant by "Accelerated X" |
| 16:10.49 | ben_goodger | cast: yes, I know |
| 16:10.51 | tralala | ben_goodger, which means to buy intel |
| 16:11.03 | Enverex | cast, Right, and it's taken the "nv" drivers ... how long, to get this far? |
| 16:11.07 | anapivirtua | Hi world |
| 16:11.13 | jetscreamer | intel is supposed to be making a move in the gaming niche i think i heard |
| 16:11.23 | Enverex | tralala, Can you name a few Intel standalone graphics cards please? |
| 16:11.24 | jetscreamer | for gpu |
| 16:11.30 | ben_goodger | tralala: that idea is utterly, utterly ludicrous for anyone except those who want only to run tuxracer |
| 16:11.33 | mick_home | petemc: i see "1,225,199,616 bytes wasted in 618 files (in 109 groups)" -- how do i remove duplicates? i don't want to manually delete them... it should just leave one |
| 16:11.36 | wols | petemc: If you look long enough I think there is a patch for that out there |
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| 16:11.37 | tralala | Enverex, I really wish I could |
| 16:11.38 | jelly | tralala: buying intel at this point means buying a complete mobo+cpu |
| 16:11.40 | Twist | tralala: http://freshmeat.net/projects/nvidiadrivers/?branch_id=7304&release_id=255659 |
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| 16:11.49 | ben_goodger | tralala: plus what jelly said |
| 16:11.50 | petemc | wols: im not looking at all - i use a mac |
| 16:11.54 | wols | tralala: and you get a shitty graphics card too :) |
| 16:12.09 | jelly | ben_goodger: not that I care, I bought my intel ;-) |
| 16:12.18 | wols | petemc: just saying that jetscreamer could do it. and macs are affected too. recent macs that is :) |
| 16:12.18 | tralala | wols, shitty card, shitty drivers - what's the difference? |
| 16:12.19 | ben_goodger | cast: it doesn't work with glx, is my only complaint.. |
| 16:12.22 | jetscreamer | mick_home: i've seen packages for finding duplicate pictures... and i think for files.... try apt-cache search duplicate maybe |
| 16:12.23 | Twist | yay for the 3dfx voodoo! |
| 16:12.36 | tralala | Twist, what's that? |
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| 16:12.41 | wols | tralala: nvidia mostly works. not that I think the kernel devs should needle them any chance they get :) |
| 16:12.44 | mick_home | jetscreamer: i found one, fslint -- just don't know how to use the GUI |
| 16:12.47 | Twist | tralala: a google of any help? |
| 16:12.49 | stew | stew@fqdn:~ $ <- thanks sid. |
| 16:12.52 | wols | *shouldn't |
| 16:13.07 | tralala | Twist, I mean the url? I was expecting the log paste |
| 16:13.08 | stew | dunno why my hostname is showing up as fqdn, it doesn't from `hostname` |
| 16:13.11 | petemc | stew: ive set the hostname on solaris machines to that a few times |
| 16:13.16 | wols | I really like when nvidia has to scramble to make their drivers work again: they chose their way, let _them_ deal with it |
| 16:13.21 | jelly | stew: your hostname is "fqdn"? :-) |
| 16:13.28 | Twist | tralala: yeah the url |
| 16:13.37 | stew | jelly: apparantly |
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| 16:13.40 | jetscreamer | i think i heard they de-gpl'd the paravirt ops thing though in later kernels or something |
| 16:13.54 | ben_goodger | wols: lovely, and I suppose now I should buy an ATi card? because those have better drivers, right? |
| 16:13.59 | jetscreamer | or de-gpl-only'd |
| 16:14.00 | Twist | the X log is in /dev/ ?? -.- |
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| 16:14.11 | petemc | ben_goodger: certainly not, ati suck balls |
| 16:14.15 | jelly | stew: but... "fqdn" is not a fqdn *head explodes* |
| 16:14.16 | stew | ben_goodger: you seem to be confusing ati with intel |
| 16:14.18 | wols | ben_goodger: I only have nvidia. never anything else actually |
| 16:14.19 | jetscreamer | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:14.25 | Twist | thanks jet |
| 16:14.30 | jetscreamer | see also //var/log/nvidia-installer.log |
| 16:14.33 | tralala | Twist, this url has nothing to do with debian or your problem |
| 16:14.38 | ben_goodger | ok, I'll buy an intel, because those ones are powerful and wholly suited to actual 3d use |
| 16:14.42 | Twist | ok my bad :( |
| 16:14.48 | wols | well, I had a tseng, and 2 s3 too, long ago |
| 16:15.02 | wols | ben_goodger: well.. depends for what kind of 3D |
| 16:15.02 | Enverex | ... powerful? |
| 16:15.02 | jetscreamer | you didn't configure your fqdn to be a true fqdn? |
| 16:15.07 | h3sp4wn | jelly: Maybe it is but just being fully opensource doesn't magically make it the best |
| 16:15.15 | wols | ben_goodger: don't intend to play Quake4 or UT |
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| 16:15.41 | Enverex | The X3100 may be able to scrape through on UT2004 |
| 16:15.51 | jetscreamer | q4 runs like shit on my box... :/ |
| 16:15.55 | Enverex | Wont be running any STALKER or stuff though |
| 16:16.19 | Twist | tralala: http://paste.debian.net/31060 |
| 16:16.32 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 16:17.03 | ben_goodger | wols: why shouldn't I intend to play quake 4? |
| 16:17.19 | tralala | Twist, you were supposed to turn the framebuffer off |
| 16:17.30 | Twist | tralala: i though i did |
| 16:17.31 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.06/README/appendix-a.html |
| 16:17.35 | roaet | Hi. I just did a cd install and didn't populate my sources.list with external addresses. What is the best way of updating sources.list with valid external addresses to apt-get from? |
| 16:17.41 | wols | I dunno. just telling you that you can't with that chip and as someone else said for intel you need to buy mobo and cpu from them. which isn't such a bad idea now that the P4 is gone |
| 16:17.42 | tralala | Twist, and to update-pciids |
| 16:17.47 | jetscreamer | tralala: he might have the 'drxx didn't write the xorg.conf' |
| 16:17.48 | jelly | ben_goodger: because 3d performance of shared-mem/onboard cards is crappy? |
| 16:18.01 | Twist | tralala: i did do that, for sure.. |
| 16:18.10 | jetscreamer | roaet: nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:18.10 | ben_goodger | jelly: yes, but I do intend to play such games |
| 16:18.16 | Twist | hmm |
| 16:18.21 | roaet | jetscreamer: aye, where do i get the links then? |
| 16:18.33 | jetscreamer | be sure you use the right ones |
| 16:18.34 | tralala | Twist, reconfigure xorg again, paying more attention to the questions |
| 16:18.34 | ben_goodger | however, currently I cannot even get blender to work due to our old friend, nv, which does not work with glx |
| 16:18.37 | jetscreamer | !sources |
| 16:18.37 | dpkg | hmm... sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 16:18.38 | Enverex | ben_goodger, at 320x240 4bit colour? |
| 16:18.42 | jelly | ben_goodger: I think a nvidia or ati card is better suited for games |
| 16:18.54 | jetscreamer | !mirrors |
| 16:18.55 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 16:18.56 | roaet | !mirrors |
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| 16:19.07 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 16:19.09 | Enverex | !botspam |
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| 16:19.11 | roaet | thank you |
| 16:19.20 | jetscreamer | !botabuse |
| 16:19.20 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 16:19.34 | ben_goodger | Enverex: no, using windows and the proprietary drivers. I would also like blender, which doesn't require either, or so I'm told, but it doesn't work because nvidia-glx doesn't work and hence no glx |
| 16:19.39 | jetscreamer | use the sid nvidia |
| 16:19.41 | Enverex | ben_goodger, What card? |
| 16:19.42 | jetscreamer | just d/l the packages |
| 16:19.47 | jetscreamer | from pdo |
| 16:19.51 | ben_goodger | Enverex: 7600GT |
| 16:20.07 | rahul | !botsex |
| 16:20.07 | dpkg | Ok! Drop your pants and bend over!, or http://www.scoutwalker.com/ |
| 16:20.13 | jelly | Enverex: I _dare_ you to have 3D running on that EGA resolution. :-) |
| 16:20.24 | jetscreamer | ega looked better |
| 16:20.28 | Enverex | ben_goodger, I've never had any issues with my 7800 or 7900GTO. Does X load it properly? I mean what was the problem. |
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| 16:20.42 | Twist | tralala: pm |
| 16:21.03 | tralala | Twist, I have an ignore for pms |
| 16:21.05 | ben_goodger | jetscreamer: sticking code from sid into my kernel is something I'd do if I were 15 and reckless, but I'm not |
| 16:21.09 | jelly | ok, it's not really EGA. 320x240 @ 4bpp isn't really standard ;-) |
| 16:21.26 | zinx | 640x400 ftw |
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| 16:21.34 | jetscreamer | ben_goodger: i understand. however, this is safe/works, at least for me here on this box. |
| 16:21.40 | jetscreamer | ymmv and all that |
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| 16:21.53 | ben_goodger | Enverex: "cannot load module nvidia: module not found" despite the module being installed and loaded; alternatively, "cannot load module 'glx': nv does not support it" |
| 16:21.55 | zinx | jelly: 320x240 @ 4bpp was CGA |
| 16:21.59 | Twist | tralala: ok, well im very happy to allow you to ssh to my box. |
| 16:22.00 | jelly | zinx: in my time we had 160x200 on a C64 and we were happy! |
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| 16:22.06 | jelly | zinx: nope. |
| 16:22.08 | zinx | erh, 2bpp actually |
| 16:22.19 | jetscreamer | yeah that happens a lot |
| 16:22.19 | zinx | EGA went up to 640x400 @ 4bpp |
| 16:22.19 | ben_goodger | jelly: in my time, we had teletext mode on an Acorn BBC Micro |
| 16:22.21 | Enverex | ben_goodger, Does modprobe nvidia work? |
| 16:22.26 | ben_goodger | Enverex: perfectly |
| 16:22.29 | jetscreamer | you should have a talk with the admin |
| 16:22.47 | jelly | ben_goodger: elitist prick! |
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| 16:23.18 | ben_goodger | jelly: actually, I'm only 16 years old. I got the beeb out of a cupboard at my school :) |
| 16:23.19 | rahul | jelly: gelatinous blob! |
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| 16:23.31 | roaet | jetscreamer: now that I have apt-get running, is there a way to get a new sources.list using apt? apt-get update maybe? |
| 16:23.56 | cast | !tell roaet about aptitude |
| 16:24.01 | Enverex | ben_goodger, and you have nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-settings installed? |
| 16:24.08 | jetscreamer | roaet: <dpkg> hmm... debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> |
| 16:24.13 | jelly | ben_goodger: I'm still a teen too... in hexadecimal. |
| 16:24.30 | ben_goodger | Enverex: oh yes, as ordered |
| 16:24.37 | jetscreamer | apt-spy still broken? |
| 16:24.39 | ben_goodger | Enverex: everything works, except X can't see the bloody thing |
| 16:24.40 | jetscreamer | btw? |
| 16:24.42 | branstrom | How would I just display a file's contents on the commandline? |
| 16:24.50 | cast | branstrom: cat filename |
| 16:24.50 | ben_goodger | branstrom: cat <filename> |
| 16:24.55 | branstrom | ah |
| 16:25.03 | ben_goodger | branstrom: beware if it's non-text :) |
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| 16:25.19 | ben_goodger | jelly: heh |
| 16:25.19 | tralala | Twist, follow the instructions here, and give me your IP: http://rafb.net/p/VJbaQK20.html |
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| 16:25.54 | jetscreamer | Twist: you will 'probably' need to use the latest nvidia driver , your card is 'probably' too new for 8776 |
| 16:26.16 | tralala | jetscreamer, in any case this shouldn't leed to a crash |
| 16:26.50 | Twist | tralala ok give me a min |
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| 16:26.56 | jetscreamer | if the glx is wrong in the right way, doing glxinfo can crash x |
| 16:26.58 | ben_goodger | brb, just testing something... |
| 16:27.02 | mick_home | hmm, i'm wondering why the heck this is so complicated |
| 16:27.05 | wols | Twist: do you have a 8500 or 8600 card? |
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| 16:27.38 | tralala | wols, 8600 |
| 16:27.39 | Twist | tralala 5600 gts |
| 16:27.43 | dv_ | hello |
| 16:27.46 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 16:27.47 | Twist | oops |
| 16:27.50 | jetscreamer | 56? |
| 16:27.50 | Twist | tralala 8600 gts |
| 16:27.51 | dv_ | the debian mplayer package does not include mencoder? |
| 16:27.53 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:27.59 | dv_ | also, I cannot find mencoder in the reps |
| 16:28.00 | tralala | Twist, it was wols asking actuallly |
| 16:28.03 | mick_home | i tried: fdupes -r -f -S -d . -- put now it prompts me with: Set 1 of 101, preserve files [1 - 361, all] (0 bytes each):.... |
| 16:28.13 | wols | tralala: you need a 100.x driver from sid. backport it. sorry |
| 16:28.14 | Twist | oh |
| 16:28.15 | jetscreamer | dv_: no they split it up, it's available from marillat sources |
| 16:28.20 | wols | Twist: ^^ |
| 16:28.25 | jetscreamer | or just use the nvidia installer |
| 16:28.27 | Twist | wols: 8600 |
| 16:28.31 | Twist | wols: sorry |
| 16:28.35 | mick_home | i just want it to save the first file gthat it finds and rm the rest |
| 16:28.40 | wols | Twist: no driver up to the 97.55 will work for your card. it has to be 100.xx from sid |
| 16:28.45 | Enverex | The 8xxx series need a 100.xx.xx driver |
| 16:28.53 | wols | jetscreamer: don't tell this to people now that it is in debian |
| 16:28.53 | tralala | wols, see what you get for one letter tab completion? |
| 16:29.05 | dv_ | jetscreamer, do you recommend http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ ? |
| 16:29.05 | wols | Enverex: not all... 8800 works afaik |
| 16:29.08 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 16:29.08 | dpkg | debian-multimedia is probably a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 16:29.09 | Twist | wols: in non-programmer please :( |
| 16:29.21 | dv_ | 8800 works fine with a 97.xx driver |
| 16:29.22 | wols | tralala: yes. narcisstic people who have insane nicknames |
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| 16:29.32 | wols | !tell Twist about simple sid backport |
| 16:29.33 | dv_ | but *not* the debian one, because its broken |
| 16:29.55 | wols | dv_: we all recommend it. only reason those things are not in debian are license issues |
| 16:30.10 | Twist | i need a break guys my head hurts like a bit** |
| 16:30.15 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8776/README/appendix-a.html |
| 16:30.16 | tralala | wols, 99% of irc population |
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| 16:30.32 | Twist | tralala: i will do that link then set up a dmz |
| 16:30.40 | cast | mick_home: once you've made the list of duplicates you could write some sh script to just go through and delete all the dupes |
| 16:31.22 | tralala | Twist, you'll put this machine in a dmz only because of me?! I like your thinking! |
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| 16:31.33 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.06 |
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| 16:31.53 | wols | tralala: I might have an insane nick (the namesaek WAS insane actually), but I am not narcisstic. I am ugly, don't you remember you pony hater? |
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| 16:32.22 | jetscreamer | i actually had a pony |
| 16:32.34 | Twist | tralala: im no security expert dude :P: |
| 16:32.35 | tralala | wols, I'm not a pony hater - that's exactly why I won't let you have one!!! |
| 16:32.52 | Twist | tralala: How can i copy these commands? |
| 16:33.02 | cast | Twist: gotta remember, if tralala is a terrorist you go to jail too! |
| 16:33.10 | tralala | Twist, using the mouse and gpm |
| 16:33.14 | Twist | cast: heh :P |
| 16:33.17 | Twist | ok |
| 16:33.25 | jetscreamer | Twist: btw the vesa driver 'might' work a tiny bit.. not sure |
| 16:33.36 | tralala | cast, what do you mean 'too'? You think they are going to catch me?! |
| 16:34.01 | Twist | tralala: gpm is loaded but i cant see a pointer .... |
| 16:34.02 | Twist | gah |
| 16:34.03 | wols | tralala: lies! all lies! |
| 16:34.33 | wols | Twist: letting people from irc on your box is about the wrost thing imaginable |
| 16:34.44 | cast | tralala: well they caught osamESC:ddgood point |
| 16:34.45 | wols | no matter if dmz or not: you never now what the leave behind |
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| 16:35.00 | jelly | not wiping their feet and all |
| 16:35.10 | tralala | cast, ;) |
| 16:35.36 | jetscreamer | i haven't tested this in a while but it should still work, or at least give you an idea... http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
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| 16:35.54 | hasan_ | hi |
| 16:36.10 | Twist | wols: hmm |
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| 16:36.35 | Twist | i guess ill take a break for a bit. |
| 16:36.45 | tralala | wols, come on - I'll only run seti@home but instead of searching for aliens it will search for airport security weaknesses - I bet it'll have way better success than the original. |
| 16:37.01 | jetscreamer | Twist: that link was for you btw |
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| 16:37.07 | Enverex | Does the fglrx driver work with the .21 kernel? |
| 16:37.15 | jetscreamer | but you need the 100 not 9xxx |
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| 16:37.25 | Twist | tralala: by the looks of things the public vote for an ssh is no so im gonna be a sheep |
| 16:37.42 | jetscreamer | but you have the paravirt ops problem probably nm |
| 16:37.48 | Twist | jetscreamer: 404 |
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| 16:38.25 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt ? |
| 16:38.29 | Enverex | no ideas? |
| 16:38.33 | cast | would be amusing if we could setup some sort of group ssh in, so we could peer review what everyone else was doing - would have modify sshd a bit me thinks |
| 16:38.50 | Twist | jetscreamer: yup |
| 16:38.54 | Enverex | jetscreamer, That page is 404 |
| 16:38.56 | tralala | Twist, stupid^Wtrusting as a sheep or easily scared as a sheep? |
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| 16:39.00 | jetscreamer | wtf |
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| 16:39.21 | jetscreamer | works here :/ |
| 16:39.28 | Twist | tralala: follow the crowd kind of sheep |
| 16:39.29 | cast | works here, too |
| 16:39.34 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 16:39.37 | Twist | weird |
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| 16:40.00 | Twist | ill be back on a bit later |
| 16:40.15 | Cyis | I thought the Nvidia driver in unstable was good enough... that's what I used last |
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| 16:40.22 | esters | Hello, i'm running Rhythmbox 0.9.6 (testing) when trying to play Radio streams it says : A HTTP protocol source plugin is required to play this stream, but not installed. |
| 16:40.27 | esters | what should i do ? |
| 16:40.41 | jelly-home | cast: ttysnoop or even screen have shared tty functionality |
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| 16:41.15 | tralala | nevermind - if anybody else feels like being pwn3d - my public key is always available |
| 16:41.21 | Enverex | jetscreamer, works now |
| 16:41.31 | scrillaz | my amarok player keeps crashing |
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| 16:42.01 | wols | tralala: well you can be sure what you search for exists with 100% certainty |
| 16:42.06 | jetscreamer | Enverex: weird... glad it does though |
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| 16:42.08 | Cyis | 'aptitude show nvidia-kernel-source |grep ^Version:' return Version: 1.0.9631-1 |
| 16:42.10 | jetscreamer | i did nothing |
| 16:42.11 | Cyis | that's what I'm using at home |
| 16:42.17 | wireddd | Cyis: the packages seem to be messed up, you have to cd /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers && gcc -shared -o nvidia_drv.so nvidia_drv.o |
| 16:42.35 | wols | Cyis: are you running ubuntu? |
| 16:42.41 | jetscreamer | he has an 8600 though and it's not supported in the 9776 or whatever |
| 16:42.48 | nemo | anyone familiar with udev? I've altered hardware, and want to change the rules that keeps giving me the old /dev/cdrom* and /dev/dvd* links - that are now wrong |
| 16:42.54 | Cyis | wols: no... I'm running Debian which is why I'd be in #debian :) |
| 16:43.03 | wireddd | oh |
| 16:43.16 | karlm | grrr.. nvidia drivers suck :) |
| 16:43.20 | tralala | wols, however the search will have to be postponed mostly thanks to you. |
| 16:43.22 | wireddd | I had to switch to legacy... |
| 16:43.23 | tralala | !nopony wols |
| 16:43.23 | dpkg | wols: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 16:43.26 | Cyis | if ubuntu screw'd up the nvidia driver package it wouldn't surprise me |
| 16:43.29 | wols | Cyis: since when does debian have a 9631 nvidia? ubuntu does however? |
| 16:43.31 | karlm | i've been trying to get beryl desktop to work |
| 16:43.33 | jetscreamer | nemo: /etc/udev/udev.rules iirc.. /etc/udev though |
| 16:43.41 | wols | tralala: don't tease me you meanie! |
| 16:43.42 | karlm | but cant get x to load with debian nvidia drivers + glx |
| 16:43.50 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 16:44.04 | wireddd | karlm: what does it say? |
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| 16:44.06 | jetscreamer | m-a a-i nvidia |
| 16:44.08 | wols | karlm: a little more error description would be helpful. don't you agree? |
| 16:44.09 | nemo | jetscreamer: I can find the rules... and I found the z25 persistent CD rule... and the z75 rule which re-creates the z25 rule... |
| 16:44.15 | tralala | wols, that's my revenge for preventing me help osama with the pentagone |
| 16:44.17 | Cyis | wols: the nvidia-kernel-source package has been in the dist for awhile... just not in main it's in non-free |
| 16:44.17 | karlm | i'm not asking for help |
| 16:44.31 | nemo | but how do you get the z75 rule to run to re-find and create the z25 rule (without rebooting ideally) |
| 16:44.32 | karlm | it doesnt say anything, x loads, but i get a bunch of garbled crap |
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| 16:44.56 | Cyis | jetscreamer: yeah that's exactly what I use but needed the version from unstable rather than etch to have the 9xxx version that Beryl needed |
| 16:45.45 | jetscreamer | nemo: i just know if you want to change where udev creates the devices that's the file you edit |
| 16:45.48 | wols | Cyis: stable, lenny or etch? |
| 16:45.58 | Gigantic | nvidia-xconfig --composite && nvidia-xconfig --allow-glx-with-composite && nvidia-xconfig --render-accel && nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals |
| 16:46.04 | Cyis | wols: I'm running etch... I built the nvidia driver from unstable |
| 16:46.13 | Gigantic | karlm: ^ |
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| 16:46.31 | nemo | jetscreamer: yeah... and I'm confident enough I can alter the persistent file too... but then I have to do that every hardware change... |
| 16:46.32 | Enverex | hrm |
| 16:46.34 | phretor | hi there |
| 16:46.43 | nemo | which defies the point of a dynamic dev fs, I'm sue... |
| 16:46.46 | karlm | Cyis: what card do you have?? |
| 16:46.52 | phretor | are you aware of a good howto for setting up an auditing-enabled kernel/machine? |
| 16:46.54 | Enverex | Just installed the fglrx driver, started X.... and I just have a black screen :/ |
| 16:46.55 | wols | karlm: if you don't ask for help, why are you telling us about it? |
| 16:47.08 | freetos | what's the latest release 4.0r0? |
| 16:47.11 | karlm | wols: conversation? |
| 16:47.14 | Cyis | nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] |
| 16:47.15 | phretor | I've seen a lot of stuff on RH/Fedora, but nothing debian-specific |
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| 16:47.19 | Enverex | Any ideas about that? Kinda sucks : |
| 16:47.23 | jetscreamer | nemo: all i know, somebody else knows more though |
| 16:47.24 | karlm | wols: this is internet relay chat |
| 16:47.26 | Cyis | but I've also used it with my FX 5200 dual-head |
| 16:47.26 | wols | !ot |
| 16:47.26 | dpkg | #debian-offtopic is not a place where nolife from #debian can come at will and feel at home. find another place ffs |
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| 16:47.33 | nemo | jetscreamer: fair enough. thanks :) |
| 16:47.39 | wols | karlm: this is a support channel. for conversaiotn: #debian-offtopic |
| 16:47.39 | esters | anyone ? |
| 16:47.49 | esters | Hello, i'm running Rhythmbox 0.9.6 (testing) when trying to play Radio streams it says : A HTTP protocol source plugin is required to play this stream, but not installed. |
| 16:48.06 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search rythmbox maybe |
| 16:48.09 | cast | esters: if you want my 2 cents grab mplayer |
| 16:48.14 | Gigantic | karlm: but this is not #chat ;) |
| 16:48.14 | wols | esters: look if there is a plugin for it either already installed but not configured or in a repo |
| 16:48.24 | Enverex | The HD seems to be occasionally loading but I can't get the machine to respond to anything else... |
| 16:48.26 | esters | cast: mplayer is buggy |
| 16:48.54 | jetscreamer | or not |
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| 16:48.57 | karlm | good god people |
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| 16:49.17 | jetscreamer | what i didn't want to hold his hand, wtf |
| 16:49.30 | Gigantic | esters: buggy ?.... Xine then but it's not that buggy |
| 16:49.39 | dkr | I run mplayer on a couple thousand machines with no crashes. :) (digital signs) every app has bugs, but "buggy"? naw |
| 16:49.50 | jetscreamer | xine-ui is my choice for video viewing.. mencoder for encoding |
| 16:49.55 | esters | Gigantic: when opening a video , mplayer just crashes |
| 16:49.56 | Cyis | hmm... seems they changed the nvidia-kernel-source version number in unstable now... not sure what version exactly it includes |
| 16:50.09 | jetscreamer | 100 i hear tell |
| 16:50.10 | Gigantic | esters: it's not buggy, it is broken |
| 16:50.24 | esters | ok, i'll stick with vlc + rhythmbox |
| 16:50.41 | Gigantic | vlc alone |
| 16:50.50 | jetscreamer | install everything try them all |
| 16:50.51 | Enverex | Oh for fucks sake, now if I boot with either kernel when it's supposed to load X the screen just goes black and I can't see anything :( Ctrl+Alt+Fx doesn't have any effect either |
| 16:51.00 | mick_home | cast: -d is "delete" |
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| 16:51.32 | cast | mick_home: it gives you the option to delete, yes, but it might be a chore to sit there pushing 1<enter> 500 times |
| 16:51.42 | Zmanu | hello |
| 16:51.50 | tralala | esters, mplayer has a security bug which allows a specially created video to execute arbitrary code on your system. If you open such a video the only symptom will be a crash of mplayer. I've never seen mplayer crash on a video so far. I wonder what's the conclusion of all this. |
| 16:52.00 | jetscreamer | Enverex: boot single and chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm and reboot |
| 16:52.06 | jetscreamer | or exit rather |
| 16:52.06 | cast | mick_home: i couldn't find the autodelete option in the manpage :\ |
| 16:52.07 | esters | tralala: mhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 16:52.07 | mick_home | i hate reinventing the wheel - but i may just write my own |
| 16:52.10 | Zmanu | i have install etch, nvidia driver, compiz and i want to know how to have a cube at start with gnome ? |
| 16:52.16 | jetscreamer | apt-get autoremove ? |
| 16:52.16 | mick_home | they all seem to suck - a lot |
| 16:52.34 | Gigantic | tralala: good point |
| 16:52.36 | Zmanu | at session start i add compiz --replace --fast-filter |
| 16:52.37 | wols | mick_home: all software sucks. no exceptions |
| 16:52.50 | cast | mick_home: i imagine fdupes author deliberately omitted that option |
| 16:52.52 | mick_home | wols: not the stuff that i work on... wait |
| 16:52.54 | tralala | esters, don't worry - a simple reinstall with format will take care of the any rootkit |
| 16:52.55 | jetscreamer | quake does not suck |
| 16:53.01 | wols | mick_home: you're a dreamer :) |
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| 16:53.06 | esters | tralala: i don't use MPLAYER |
| 16:53.19 | jetscreamer | why not |
| 16:53.20 | mick_home | wols: ;) |
| 16:53.39 | jetscreamer | !be a barbie mplayer |
| 16:53.43 | tralala | < esters> Gigantic: when opening a video , mplayer just crashes |
| 16:53.47 | jetscreamer | !barbie mplayer |
| 16:53.49 | tralala | esters, ? |
| 16:53.51 | mick_home | jetscreamer: vlc seems to have better file support |
| 16:53.52 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 16:54.03 | esters | tralala: it was back when i was using mplayer |
| 16:54.10 | esters | tralala: read my question above |
| 16:54.12 | mick_home | but i do like mplayer |
| 16:54.14 | Gigantic | tralala: wrong guy? |
| 16:54.20 | Enverex | jetscreamer, Oddly enough the only thing the machine responds to is a ctrl+alt+delete and Linux seems to reboot properly |
| 16:54.21 | jetscreamer | i just use whatever works |
| 16:54.33 | jetscreamer | Enverex: ahh THAT black screen |
| 16:54.34 | tralala | esters, hopefully you've reinstalled since then |
| 16:54.40 | jetscreamer | Enverex: me too |
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| 16:54.49 | esters | tralala: i'll get used to that |
| 16:55.11 | jetscreamer | Enverex: here it got worse, and just wouldn't boot... but taking vga= out of the kernel line fixed it |
| 16:55.17 | tralala | !be mplayer barbie |
| 16:55.17 | dpkg | mplayer is hard! |
| 16:55.21 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:55.23 | tralala | jetscreamer, ^^ |
| 16:55.38 | Enverex | jetscreamer, I'm not using anything like that |
| 16:55.50 | jetscreamer | kernel line in grub's menu.lst |
| 16:56.22 | jetscreamer | well still, grub boots but no screen eh, just blackness |
| 16:56.27 | Gigantic | vga=normal |
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| 16:56.45 | dromer | wols: to, I am :P |
| 16:57.00 | jetscreamer | a little hd activity, then that stops too |
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| 16:57.51 | Enverex | and if I do "X -configure" X segfaults :( |
| 16:57.58 | skipjack | Hello. is it possible to run vsftpd with virtual users from an ldap ? |
| 16:58.24 | Gigantic | Enverex: But you said: Ctrl+Alt+F2 didn't work either |
| 16:58.27 | jetscreamer | nvidia-xconfig iirc.. but mv xorg.conf first |
| 16:58.32 | Enverex | Gigantic, It doesn't |
| 16:58.41 | Enverex | Gigantic, This is after rebooting into single mode |
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| 16:58.47 | Obligatory | Cyis: I came in late, but noticed some nvidia stuff. Have you tried the l nvidia-kernel-legacy packages? |
| 16:59.02 | Gigantic | Enverex: Not X issue then |
| 16:59.09 | Gigantic | Enverex: init 3 ? |
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| 16:59.22 | Gigantic | 1? |
| 16:59.32 | Enverex | Gigantic, 1 |
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| 16:59.41 | Gigantic | ah |
| 16:59.46 | Enverex | Gigantic, If I did 3 then it would start X automatically and I'd just get the black screen |
| 16:59.46 | Cyis | Obligatory: I'm not the one with problems with nvidia driver... I've got 1.0.9631 working fine now... haven't upgraded though to the newest 100.14.x version in unstable |
| 17:00.00 | Gigantic | Enverex: X is in init5 |
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| 17:00.16 | jetscreamer | !runlevel |
| 17:00.16 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 17:00.24 | jetscreamer | !runlevels |
| 17:00.24 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
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| 17:00.36 | Enverex | Right |
| 17:00.36 | Gigantic | S and B fault tho. |
| 17:00.37 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 17:00.38 | esters | found the bug entry |
| 17:00.41 | esters | oh sweeet |
| 17:00.47 | Enverex | I switched to 3. Ran it again and it still segfaults |
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| 17:01.38 | Gigantic | bad drivers? |
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| 17:01.56 | Obligatory | Cyis: My bad... |
| 17:02.00 | Enverex | afaik it always does this with ATi drivers :/ |
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| 17:02.10 | Enverex | I need an existing xorg.conf else it wont work |
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| 17:03.21 | Cyis | was actually more work to get my Wacom tablet working properly than getting the nvidia driver working :) |
| 17:04.11 | Cyis | although looking through the Nvidia linux forum it does appear that the driver is having issues with Xorg 7.2 which would affect Lenny |
| 17:05.18 | wols | Enverex: dpkg-reconfigure always works :) |
| 17:05.26 | Obligatory | Cyis: so who's having nvidia problems? I scrolled back more, and see 'karlm' asking, who seems to have left the building... |
| 17:05.38 | Gigantic | wols: unless from source ;) |
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| 17:06.43 | Enverex | wols, Or not |
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| 17:06.59 | Enverex | wols, "Attempt Monitor Autodection" left me with a black screen |
| 17:07.09 | wols | I meand drxx |
| 17:07.17 | wols | Enverex: oh yes that one. it sucks |
| 17:07.28 | wols | the old one was more technical but way better than etch's |
| 17:07.37 | wols | priority=low should fix that tho |
| 17:08.20 | tralala | or -plow for those who like one letter tabcompletion |
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| 17:08.51 | Enverex | Installing can really shows Linuxs' flaws in the... you know... "Working" category :/ |
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| 17:09.26 | wols | Enverex: there are tons of windows problems too.. I've seen plenty |
| 17:09.45 | Enverex | wols, No-where near as bad as this normally :/ |
| 17:09.52 | Ronin | Enverex: i beg to differ |
| 17:09.59 | tralala | Enverex, Linux's flaws or GPU manifacturer's ones? |
| 17:09.59 | wols | Enverex: well a windows install reboots far more when installing .P |
| 17:10.38 | Enverex | Yes but you're probably zealots so you'll fight to the end of time that somehow installing drivers from a prompt that dont work but then result in a black screen so rebooting into init 1.... etc is obviouslly all fine and dandy |
| 17:10.54 | Enverex | wols, Yes but it does actually ev... ugh, nervermind |
| 17:11.23 | Cyis | wols: I'll second that... I have a remote Exchange server I have to maintain here at work along with all the Debian servers... it's a PITA because of having to deal with the reboots on the slightest upgrade/install |
| 17:11.24 | tralala | Enverex, these drivers have been written by nvidia or ati you know... |
| 17:11.54 | Ronin | Enverex: on the contrary, im personally responsible for 140 xp machines in out dept of over 1000, trust me windows isnt a cake walk either |
| 17:12.04 | Obligatory | Looks like a fight till the end of time... |
| 17:12.35 | Gigantic | Enverex: You don't have to reboot, just use init |
| 17:12.45 | Enverex | Gigantic, I can |
| 17:12.47 | Enverex | *I cant |
| 17:12.50 | Cyis | I love rebooting your remotely located Windows 2003 server only to find it's sitting waiting for someone to click a dialog box before it'll finish starting up so you can remote desktop in... |
| 17:12.53 | Enverex | the screen is just black |
| 17:12.59 | Gigantic | Enverex: You can |
| 17:13.00 | tralala | Enverex, not to mention the fact that you're not forced to use linux in any way. |
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| 17:13.03 | Cyis | talk about a time sync |
| 17:13.11 | Enverex | Gigantic, How? |
| 17:13.24 | wols | Enverex: I agree with you that linux is for the masses is a big bad lie by ubuntu, linspirem xandros,etc |
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| 17:13.27 | Obligatory | Force him! :) |
| 17:13.29 | Gigantic | Enverex: in boot time append a simple 3 |
| 17:13.31 | wols | but as an OS it's absolutely amazing |
| 17:13.34 | Streppel | heya |
| 17:13.44 | pickcoder | wols: heard about Dell? |
| 17:13.47 | Enverex | Gigantic, ... which does what? |
| 17:13.59 | Streppel | someone may explain me how i can force my debian to create a corefile when an application crashes? |
| 17:14.12 | Gigantic | Enverex: will boot up in init 3, then if something goes wrong in X you can fo to tty2 and restart X or go down to init3 |
| 17:14.13 | tralala | pickcoder, heard about usb peripherials? |
| 17:14.19 | Enverex | Gigantic, It doesn't matter what init mode I'm in, if I try and config the X server and it just does a black screen, I'm stuck and have to reboot |
| 17:14.22 | Enverex | Gigantic, No, I cant |
| 17:14.29 | Zee1ot | alright...I have a raid card with 8 drives, 2 sets of 4 in raid 5, when I install debian etch everything works fine but I think grub installs incorrectly (swapping hd0 and hd1) making it impossible to boot, how can I fix this? |
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| 17:14.31 | Enverex | Gigantic, I SAID Ctrl+Alt+Fx DOESNT WORK |
| 17:14.32 | pickcoder | Ubuntu is on it's way to OEM |
| 17:14.38 | Gigantic | Enverex: nonsense |
| 17:14.39 | wols | pickcoder: I did. doesn't change it |
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| 17:14.47 | Enverex | What, you think I'm lying? |
| 17:14.55 | pickcoder | I have wonder how support is going to handle it |
| 17:14.57 | Enverex | I'm pissed off enough as is |
| 17:15.00 | wols | pickcoder: I also think that for big companies, linux is totally amazing imho |
| 17:15.00 | tralala | or wifi cards, or printers, or scanners, or, or, or... |
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| 17:15.10 | wols | still, almost none uses it (for desktops I mean) |
| 17:15.17 | tralala | When you're a linux user you have to be picky about the hardware you buy |
| 17:15.36 | Gigantic | Enverex: X start in init5 only, if you boot to init3 and there's black screen, then there's no X problem, but terminal/vga bad configuration |
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| 17:15.40 | kexman | tralala, do you ? |
| 17:15.50 | Cyis | tralala: Or just give a lil time after a new device comes out to let it become supported |
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| 17:15.55 | Gigantic | Enverex: instat case vga-normal would do the trick |
| 17:16.04 | tralala | kexman, only if you intend to use what you've bought actually |
| 17:16.04 | Cyis | I just don't buy OEM computers |
| 17:16.36 | Gigantic | Enverex: Sometimes we piss ourselves man... |
| 17:16.48 | Enverex | Gigantic, No, I boot to init 3 and it finishes loading I'm at the terminal. Now if I try and set up the X server the screen goes black and NOTHING I DO GETS ME BACK TO A PROMPT, THE SCREEN REMAINS BLACK. The only way out of it is to hit ctrl+alt+del and wait for it to reboot |
| 17:16.49 | Gigantic | *not me tho :) |
| 17:16.52 | tralala | Cyis, and pray that by the time it's supported in linux it's still on sale |
| 17:17.01 | Cyis | last device I could consider OEM were the two Linksys WRTSL54GS boxes that I'm running OpenWRT on |
| 17:17.03 | Obligatory | Enverex, I came in late, what are you trying to get working? |
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| 17:17.15 | Gigantic | Enverex: nope |
| 17:17.21 | Enverex | AAARRGGHH |
| 17:17.37 | Enverex | Gigantic, What, go on, tell me what magical thing to do |
| 17:17.44 | Enverex | Don't just say "nope" |
| 17:17.53 | pickcoder | wols: I don't disagree, but apparently there has been a) enough requests for it to make a huge finanial decision or b) someone threw some money out |
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| 17:17.58 | shwag | I am logging into a box using ssh keys. I want to set my passwd, but it prompts me for my (current) UNIX password. I dont know what it is, but I am logged in. So I can't set it? |
| 17:18.05 | Gigantic | Enverex: if that happen you can use Ctrl+Alt+F2 wich WILL work 'cause you are NOT in single user mode, however, you can use also sleep to kill X after few seconds/minutes |
| 17:18.06 | pickcoder | ~financial |
| 17:18.21 | Streppel | someone may explain me how i can force my debian to create a corefile when an application crashes? |
| 17:18.28 | Cyis | tralala: I guess you don't have a Frys nearby you... they usually have ample supply of Linux supported hardware |
| 17:18.40 | Enverex | IT. DOESNT. WORK. ARE YOU FUCKING DEAF?! It does NOTHING. |
| 17:18.45 | pickcoder | I still don't see Debian shipping with servers, though. |
| 17:18.46 | wols | pickcoder: someone (customers) wanted it |
| 17:18.55 | Ronin | Enverex: calm down |
| 17:19.07 | blinx | !find libc.so.6 |
| 17:19.09 | wols | to what degree they wanted it for installing pirated windows versions or maybe even cause windows is too expensive (hopefully) is to be seen |
| 17:19.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libc.so.6' (6 of 7): (/lib/libc.so.6) in libs/libc6 ;; (/lib64/libc.so.6) in libs/libc6-amd64 ;; (/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6) in libs/libc6-i686 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/libc.so.6) in libdevel/libc6-dbg ;; (/lib/i686/nosegneg/libc.so.6) in libs/libc6-xen ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/i386/standard/initrd_template/lib/libc.so.6) in admin/systemimager-boot-i386-standard. |
| 17:19.18 | Cyis | pickcoder: I'd agree... no commerical company backing the distribution like RH or SuSE |
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| 17:19.20 | wols | !diesb't work |
| 17:19.20 | Gigantic | Enverex: example: startx ;; sleep 60 && init3 |
| 17:19.20 | Enverex | No, I wont calm down when some idiot is constantly telling me something will work when I'm sat here DOING IT |
| 17:19.25 | Obligatory | Enverex, I know what you mean, sometimes a driver crash devours the keyboard too. |
| 17:19.28 | tralala | Enverex, I wish I could say that you have unique way of asking for help |
| 17:19.38 | Cyis | pickcoder: doesn't stop me from ordering servers without an OS pre-installed and using Debian |
| 17:19.39 | pickcoder | Cyis: RH used to be an option for Dell back in the day |
| 17:19.46 | Cyis | pickcoder: still is |
| 17:19.49 | pickcoder | it is? |
| 17:19.50 | Ronin | tralala: i figure it must be an effective way though as we see is so often |
| 17:19.51 | Cyis | yes |
| 17:20.01 | wols | Cyis: the downside is, those are not counted as debian :( |
| 17:20.06 | Obligatory | Enverex, a good test is do the LEDs come on when you press 'numlock'? |
| 17:20.08 | Cyis | pickcoder: Or atleast the last time I ordered a PowerEdge server it was |
| 17:20.09 | Zee1ot | anyone? |
| 17:20.17 | tralala | Ronin, don't ruin my day! |
| 17:20.19 | Cyis | wols: nor are they counted as Windows ;) |
| 17:20.27 | pickcoder | except for this HP server we recently purchased |
| 17:20.32 | wols | Cyis: yes there is always silver lining :) good job! :) |
| 17:20.35 | twist|afk | im back |
| 17:20.41 | Gigantic | Enverex: You are being silly tho you don't hear what I am telling you, go ahead and keep pissing yourself then |
| 17:20.45 | Enverex | Obligatory, Yes. As I said, the only thing that seems to do anything though is Ctrl+Alt+Del. I hear the HD start loading again and after a few seconds it reboots |
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| 17:20.55 | twist | tralala: you still here? |
| 17:21.02 | Cyis | we run Debian nearly exclusively here at my job... |
| 17:21.05 | wols | Enverex: do you have a 2nd PC around? in a LAN? |
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| 17:21.09 | tralala | Enverex, just use windows, okay? |
| 17:21.14 | Enverex | Gigantic, I was running in fucking init 3 and init 5. Jesus H Christ, are you just fucking ignoring what I'm saying? |
| 17:21.21 | Enverex | tralala, and you, just fuck off, seriously |
| 17:21.26 | ben_goodger | language, Enverex |
| 17:21.26 | Enverex | wols, Yes, this one |
| 17:21.30 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.39 | tralala | Enverex, this language will get you banned |
| 17:21.41 | wols | Enverex: install ssh on the debian box. use it |
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| 17:21.53 | tralala | twist, yes |
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| 17:21.57 | wols | Enverex: when/if it gets black again, ssh in, kill the nasties. try again |
| 17:22.00 | Enverex | tralala, Then stop trying to instigate it |
| 17:22.05 | bon | are there aby linux-image .deb kernels with grsec? |
| 17:22.10 | Gigantic | Enverex: I gave you an script that WIL work, but you did'nt take it in consideration, you are bussu typing: "Fucking" |
| 17:22.10 | bon | or do i have to compile and make one? :) |
| 17:22.16 | cast | shwag: afaik as a normal user, yeah, you need to authenticate with pam before it lets you change your /etc/shadow passwd hash |
| 17:22.16 | Enverex | wols, To be honest I think the fglrx driver was locking the display |
| 17:22.16 | Obligatory | Enverex, OK, so the keyboard partly works. Hmm, what next, appears you're getting pigpiled on, dag. |
| 17:22.16 | twist | tralala: cool, well to pick up where we left off? |
| 17:22.26 | tralala | Enverex, I'm not - I'm as serious as I can be - use windows |
| 17:22.30 | wols | ben_goodger: we're all motherfuking adults here. except tralala. he's a beauty queen where bad words ruin his teint |
| 17:22.35 | bon | :)) |
| 17:22.38 | tralala | or even better OSX Tiger |
| 17:22.53 | Obligatory | Enverex, OK, so you're using an 'flgrx' -- what is that anyway? |
| 17:22.54 | wols | Enverex: of course it's the shitty prop shit. I just gave you a way to circumvent ati crap |
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| 17:22.58 | Enverex | Gigantic, No, IT DOESN'T. But I'm sick of talking to you, I've DONE what you said, it's in mode three, try being fucking useful and actually not living in denial that your method DOESNT WORK |
| 17:23.02 | cast | bon: nope, not offically |
| 17:23.04 | shwag | cast: hm ok. does ssh use pam at all then ? |
| 17:23.08 | ben_goodger | wols: I'm actually a minor, and I think there are laws against swearing near me somewhere... :D |
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| 17:23.14 | Gigantic | Enverex: Don't talk to me anymore... damn it |
| 17:23.14 | bon | cast: and unofficialy? i'd appreciate those |
| 17:23.19 | bon | i've seen xen, vserver enabled kernels |
| 17:23.20 | tralala | twist, we left at the point where you wouldn't grant me access to your computer so I can use it for terrorism |
| 17:23.20 | Ronin | Enverex: calm down and breath before you hurt yourself, tempertantrums wont help |
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| 17:23.23 | Enverex | wols, I've got it working anyway, grabbed an existing xorg conf and set that correct so it loaded |
| 17:23.25 | bon | with reps, but no grsec ones.. :/ |
| 17:23.33 | twist | tralala: hehehehe |
| 17:23.38 | twist | tralala: i remeber |
| 17:23.45 | cast | bon: i think SELinux might be built in |
| 17:23.51 | ben_goodger | hehe |
| 17:23.55 | Enverex | Ronin, My bloob pressure is already in the "about to have a stroke" category according to the doctor in A&E yesterday so yeah, lets hope I have a heart attack and die shall we |
| 17:23.55 | grendal_prime | i have a partion that is vfat but when i try and make the filesystem i get an error that says mkfs.vfat file not found |
| 17:23.57 | Enverex | *blood |
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| 17:24.08 | twist | tralala: uhm ok off to a differnt path here but can i make partions so i can install vista? |
| 17:24.21 | wols | Enverex: more beta blockers! |
| 17:24.24 | grendal_prime | command im using is mkfs -t vrat /dev/sda5 |
| 17:24.31 | Obligatory | Enverex, garlic is good. |
| 17:24.31 | grendal_prime | sorry |
| 17:24.31 | Cyis | twist: you could but why would you? |
| 17:24.38 | grendal_prime | command im using is mkfs -t vfat /dev/sda5 |
| 17:24.41 | tralala | twist, it seems to me that you've got nothing to lose, so why not |
| 17:24.55 | twist | cyis: because debian wont startx with my 8600 |
| 17:25.15 | cast | shwag: i'm not sure, theres a UsePAM yes option, but theres also a PubkeyAuthentication yes, so i'm not sure how it works. |
| 17:25.17 | Cyis | twist: 8600 what? |
| 17:25.27 | shwag | cast: cool thanks |
| 17:25.33 | twist | cyis: nvidia 8600 GTS |
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| 17:25.53 | twist | cyis: see my problem? |
| 17:25.58 | Gigantic | not sure but 8000 series is ntt yet supported is it? |
| 17:26.11 | Gigantic | ett: ntt=not |
| 17:26.12 | twist | dont think so |
| 17:26.16 | Obligatory | grendal_prime, what happens when you run 'locate mkfs.vfat' |
| 17:26.22 | grendal_prime | nevermind i got it |
| 17:26.22 | Enverex | It's supported in the 100.xx.xx drivers |
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| 17:26.27 | cast | grendal_prime: install dosfstools |
| 17:26.27 | grendal_prime | needed dosfstools |
| 17:26.33 | ladydoor | twist: err...you might not want to install Vista...the point of it is to give you eyecandy in exchange for watching you more and restricting how you use the 'puter... |
| 17:26.38 | OllieD | yo |
| 17:26.41 | Gigantic | twist: There's vesa ;) |
| 17:27.03 | twist | ladydoor, i do have a xp disc around so ill give it a though |
| 17:27.08 | twist | t |
| 17:27.08 | grendal_prime | thanks guys |
| 17:27.09 | twist | >< |
| 17:27.10 | Cyis | twist: yeah... I don't recall any nvidia GTS models that are supported by their Linux driver |
| 17:27.38 | twist | cyis: i think im just going to have a good rant at nvidia |
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| 17:27.50 | tralala | twist, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 17:27.51 | ben_goodger | twist: pointless really |
| 17:28.08 | Obligatory | twist, ranting is art. |
| 17:28.10 | tralala | twist, check there to see if the new drivers are backported to etch |
| 17:28.13 | Cyis | Enverex: You sure? I just checked the 100.14.11 driver supported list and it's not mentioned |
| 17:28.46 | twist | tralala: ok ill have a looky |
| 17:29.24 | tralala | twist, also check nvidia's drivers page to see if this model is supported in linux at all |
| 17:30.04 | Obligatory | Nice sunny day outside. |
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| 17:30.55 | tralala | abrotman, what's a DD type of person? |
| 17:31.06 | abrotman | tralala: someone who does DD type work :) |
| 17:31.07 | Obligatory | The man without fear. |
| 17:31.21 | abrotman | tralala: but it doesn't matter .. i found it .. the RSS feed doesn't name the packages .. but the mailing list does |
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| 17:31.33 | twist | tralala: yes this card is supported, want a link? |
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| 17:31.44 | tralala | twist, yes |
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| 17:32.03 | twist | tralala: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html |
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| 17:33.05 | Gigantic | 8000 ? |
| 17:33.28 | Cyis | would appear that there are some articles online saying 100.14.09 is working with the 8600 GTS |
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| 17:34.38 | tralala | twist, I fail to see your model there |
| 17:34.49 | Enverex | tralala, That list is wrong anywya |
| 17:35.05 | Enverex | Look at the supported cards, it lists the GF2 cards and such under the 100.xx.xx drivers |
| 17:35.10 | Enverex | which is obviously not true |
| 17:35.25 | twist | http://www.linuxgames.com/news/feedback.php?identiferID=9225&action=flatview |
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| 17:35.47 | craigevil | anyone know why k3b says my system settings are some strange ansi setting? it said to set them for LC* how do i do that? |
| 17:36.03 | tralala | Enverex, I don't own nvidia due to their lack of opensource 3d support and as a result I know nothing of their models |
| 17:36.33 | Cyis | Let me get my /etc/apt/preferences section relating to nvidia on paste-bin |
| 17:36.51 | Obligatory | I own an nvidia... |
| 17:37.02 | tralala | !win Obligatory |
| 17:37.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, Obligatory! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 17:37.04 | Obligatory | Several in fact. |
| 17:37.04 | abrotman | at least you stopped at one |
| 17:37.07 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 17:37.09 | abrotman | !lose Obligatory |
| 17:37.09 | dpkg | Obligatory: You Lose. |
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| 17:37.32 | Enverex | Yes, because Intel Integrated hardware is oh so great |
| 17:37.34 | tsang | hi dudes, i wouldn't ask if i knew |
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| 17:37.44 | tsang | are there any packages abaliable for debian/sparc ? |
| 17:37.52 | cast | can we stfu about video cards for a while. |
| 17:37.53 | abrotman | tsang: yes |
| 17:37.57 | tralala | Enverex, it's not crashing your computer to say the least |
| 17:38.00 | wols | there is a full distro available for it |
| 17:38.00 | tsang | but 32 arch |
| 17:38.02 | tsang | sparc32 |
| 17:38.04 | wols | debian/sparc |
| 17:38.05 | Cyis | http://paste.debian.net/31061 |
| 17:38.14 | wols | oh. that not.sarge had 32arch I think |
| 17:38.17 | wols | but not etch |
| 17:38.19 | wols | !sparc |
| 17:38.19 | dpkg | sparc is, like, the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 17:38.22 | tralala | cast, it's today's hot topic |
| 17:38.24 | wols | see that |
| 17:38.24 | Cyis | that allows me to run Sarge but include nvidia-* from unstable |
| 17:38.26 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/ports/sparc/ |
| 17:38.28 | twist | cast: im sorry, but iths my major problem atm |
| 17:38.42 | Cyis | unstable has 100.14.09 which is supposedly stated to work with the 8600 GTS... |
| 17:38.43 | wols | cast: are you dissing my S3 savage?? hm? are you dissin' it? |
| 17:38.43 | tsang | thanks dudes |
| 17:38.59 | abrotman | tsang: which sparc is it ? |
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| 17:39.08 | tsang | Sun Sparc Station 5 |
| 17:39.10 | tsang | quite an oldie |
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| 17:39.18 | abrotman | tsang: which CPU or arch ? |
| 17:39.27 | tsang | sparc32/Micro Sparc II 85Mhz |
| 17:39.33 | tsang | 192MB RAM |
| 17:39.37 | abrotman | eh .. no i meant like sparc4u or what ? |
| 17:39.43 | abrotman | erm sun4u |
| 17:39.44 | tsang | sparc4m |
| 17:39.50 | twist | tsang: sweet system man :P |
| 17:39.53 | abrotman | it says etch will owrk on it |
| 17:39.56 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/ch02s01.html.en#id2529946 |
| 17:39.59 | tsang | sun4m sory, twist: netbsd rox on it |
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| 17:40.13 | Cyis | I still need to get a Sparc for home... I've got 2 Alphas and 4 PA-RISC along with almost a dozen x86 & x86_64 machines |
| 17:40.18 | buchkurish | can someone help me out really quick |
| 17:40.20 | buchkurish | http://pastebin.ca/581712 |
| 17:40.22 | tsang | alphas are cool, i envy you |
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| 17:40.25 | eleytheross | when I use wget -cib url-list, and I get disconnected, it doesnt resume the job, why? |
| 17:40.27 | buchkurish | network hsotname is not being cool ! |
| 17:40.27 | abrotman | Cyis: anysystem.com .. decent place to get systems |
| 17:40.48 | abrotman | Cyis: but maybe you should help the parisc port first :) |
| 17:40.55 | Cyis | abrotman: getting the systems isn't nearly as hard as convincing the wife I need another one :) |
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| 17:41.08 | abrotman | Cyis: tell her you'll trade two x86_64 for one sparc! |
| 17:41.11 | Gigantic | tsang: playstation3 is sparc I think ;) |
| 17:41.29 | rahul | Gigantic: o.O |
| 17:41.32 | tralala | Cyis, your real trouble will start when you'll have to convince her that you need a powerplant... |
| 17:41.34 | abrotman | Gigantic: not even close |
| 17:41.38 | tsang | Gigantic: i don't anything about Playstation, sory |
| 17:41.46 | tsang | s/anything/know anything |
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| 17:41.58 | tsang | ok cya dudes |
| 17:41.59 | BUMBACL0T | im using gnome and how do you hide icons? |
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| 17:42.10 | Cyis | abrotman: I'll be putting my B180 back online after we move |
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| 17:42.19 | tralala | BUMBACL0T, ask #gnome |
| 17:42.20 | abrotman | move again?! .. you just got done moving! |
| 17:42.36 | Obligatory | Question: what does an exclamation point at the front a word signify on this channel? |
| 17:42.47 | abrotman | Obligatory: it's the bot key character |
| 17:42.48 | abrotman | !hi |
| 17:42.48 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 17:42.49 | tralala | Obligatory, a bot command |
| 17:42.50 | abrotman | !bte |
| 17:42.52 | abrotman | bah |
| 17:42.53 | eleytheross | when I use wget -cib url-list, and I get disconnected, it doesnt resume the job, why? |
| 17:42.55 | tralala | !bot |
| 17:42.56 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 17:43.27 | ladydoor | Obligatory: it's the opposite of one at the end of a sentence...so instead of being really excited, it means what's coming is really dull. |
| 17:43.32 | Cyis | tralala: We're closing on our home purchase in under a month... we found one with an unfinished basement so I could build a server room :) |
| 17:43.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:43.45 | Gigantic | abrotman: weird... for some reason my brain read sparc = RISC |
| 17:43.57 | abrotman | Gigantic: sparc is a RISC cpu |
| 17:43.58 | Obligatory | ladydoor, thanks for the explanation. |
| 17:43.58 | Gigantic | brb |
| 17:44.04 | tralala | Cyis, I wish I was your wife ;)) |
| 17:44.04 | twist | cyis: whats this 100.14.09 thing? |
| 17:44.17 | ladydoor | Obligatory: No problem. Always glad to provide enlightenment. |
| 17:44.23 | eleytheross | when I use wget -cib url-list, and I get disconnected, it doesnt resume the job, why? |
| 17:44.25 | wols | twist: a driver vresion of nvidia drivers. the ones you will need if you want a wroking driver |
| 17:44.25 | Gigantic | abrotman: See, Playstation3 uses cell, which is RISC |
| 17:44.28 | wols | as I told you before |
| 17:44.32 | Cyis | twist: latest nvidia driver that is in Debian unstable... the nvidia site has 100.14.11 out |
| 17:45.02 | Cyis | abrotman: yeah but we knew we were only planning to be in the apartment we moved into for a year as we plan'd to buy a house... why the hell you think we left California to begin with :) |
| 17:45.09 | abrotman | Gigantic: and PPC iirc |
| 17:45.23 | abrotman | Cyis: earthquakes ? |
| 17:45.36 | Cyis | abrotman: affordable housing market :) |
| 17:45.37 | abrotman | Cyis: what's the fault near you? New Madrid ? |
| 17:46.02 | abrotman | Cyis: some day that New Madrid fault line will pop and your grits will be on the floor :) |
| 17:46.08 | Obligatory | eleytheross, are you running a proxy server? |
| 17:46.21 | eleytheross | no |
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| 17:46.51 | twist | cyis: are theese unstable drivers a good bet or should i just stick xp on my box? |
| 17:47.10 | Cyis | twist: i'm currently running the version from 'experimental' :) |
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| 17:47.26 | Cyis | twist: you running etch or lenny? |
| 17:47.26 | Obligatory | eleytheross, I mention it as I use 'wwwoffle' which will screw up 'wget' if certain switches are variables aren't set. |
| 17:47.34 | tralala | eleytheross, you might need -nc not to download the already downloaded files - otherwise the resume support is server related |
| 17:47.35 | Zee1ot | is it possible with the debian cd to skip all the setup and go to installing grub again? |
| 17:47.37 | twist | cyis: etch |
| 17:47.50 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:48.02 | twist | cyis: and right now im stareing at a black screen |
| 17:48.03 | eleytheross | I dont need server related resume, I need resume of wget job |
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| 17:48.20 | Gigantic | abrotman: http://arrakis.ncsa.uiuc.edu/ps2/cluster.php :) |
| 17:48.23 | Zee1ot | how? |
| 17:48.37 | Cyis | twist: only thing I've seen caution about is with lenny and Xorg7.2 ... I'm running etch as well but pull things from unstable as needed... |
| 17:48.38 | abrotman | tha'ts PS2! |
| 17:48.45 | tralala | eleytheross, some servers will not accept partial download requests making it impossible for wget to resume a download |
| 17:49.04 | Gigantic | abrotman: There's one planed for P3 too |
| 17:49.05 | eleytheross | its not about that |
| 17:49.11 | Obligatory | ahem, "certain switches are variables" s/are/and/ |
| 17:49.14 | eleytheross | TRY to understand my question |
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| 17:49.17 | tralala | eleytheross, give me an url that doesn't resulme |
| 17:49.18 | twist | cyis: im no programmer im knee deep s |
| 17:49.28 | twist | cyis: im no programmer im knee deep allready ** |
| 17:49.37 | abrotman | Gigantic: i was talking to a friend of mine that does MPI .. and IIRC he implied that most compilers aren't setup for the PS3 arch yet ... |
| 17:49.37 | Cyis | twist: if you pin the nvidia stuff as I did in my paste-bin and add unstable to your apt/sources.list you should be able to use module-assistant to get your nvidia driver for your kernel |
| 17:49.37 | eleytheross | its not about resume a download |
| 17:49.38 | Zee1ot | anyone? please? |
| 17:49.47 | abrotman | just skip to the end |
| 17:49.48 | eleytheross | its about resume the job of downloading a list or urls |
| 17:49.52 | Zee1ot | how |
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| 17:50.08 | twist | cyis: can you pm me with some dumbed down info please? |
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| 17:50.17 | Gigantic | abrotman: http://moss.csc.ncsu.edu/~mueller/cluster/ps3/ |
| 17:50.28 | tralala | eleytheross, so what's the expected result and what's the actual one? |
| 17:50.52 | tralala | in other words define "resume job" |
| 17:50.57 | Cyis | twist: take this http://paste.debian.net/31064 and save as /etc/apt/preferences |
| 17:51.02 | Zee1ot | =/ |
| 17:51.04 | abrotman | Gigantic: but i don't know if it uses all the little CPUs |
| 17:51.10 | twist | ok |
| 17:51.11 | hark | Zee1ot: after the partition setup (set the root partition and all) .. don't format :) hit escape to get to expert mode and skip to the boot loader config |
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| 17:51.13 | twist | hmm |
| 17:51.21 | abrotman | Gigantic: admittedly.. i'm not an authority :) |
| 17:51.27 | Zee1ot | alright thanks |
| 17:51.33 | Gigantic | abrotman: see it pointless otherwise :o |
| 17:51.43 | hark | Zee1ot: it might work :) |
| 17:51.55 | Cyis | twist: that will keep 'stable' (Etch) as your default package selection but promote nvidia-kernel-{source,common} and nvidia-glx to use the version in unstable |
| 17:51.56 | Obligatory | eleytheross, I've never used that option combo "wget -cib url-list", so all I can do is brainstorm... |
| 17:52.05 | eleytheross | nevermind, just tell me a better wget alternative |
| 17:52.17 | zinx | eleytheross: curl? |
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| 17:52.34 | twist | cyis and all i will need to do is an apt-update after that? |
| 17:52.37 | eleytheross | is there win32 gui for curl? |
| 17:52.46 | zinx | eleytheross: there isn't a win32 gui for wget that i know of |
| 17:52.52 | zinx | ele: and.. this isn't a win32 channel |
| 17:52.56 | eleytheross | there are many |
| 17:53.02 | inFw | zinx: thereis : wackget |
| 17:53.03 | tralala | eleytheross, only in sid |
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| 17:53.09 | zinx | inFw: i only know about debian. |
| 17:53.12 | Cyis | twist: then add 'deb http://<your favorite debian mirror>/debian/ unstable non-free' to /etc/apt/source.list and do an aptitude update |
| 17:53.12 | zinx | inFw: :) |
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| 17:53.35 | twist | ok ill try |
| 17:53.41 | inFw | lol zinx :) I used windows before I got into linux, and then I was also using wget ^^ |
| 17:53.57 | zinx | wget didn't exist before I got in to linux :x |
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| 17:54.06 | Cyis | twist: make sure you have module-assistant installed as well |
| 17:54.06 | zinx | lynx --source all the way |
| 17:54.16 | twist | cyis: tis |
| 17:54.55 | Cyis | twist: then you should be able to do: 'm-a a-i nvidia' and it should grab the version from unstable |
| 17:55.09 | tralala | Cyis, he has installed already the driver from etch using m-a but it's crashing the box. I suspect it is due to the framebuffer module |
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| 17:55.39 | Cyis | tralala: it's most likely because the version of the nvidia driver in etch is not capable of handling the model card he has |
| 17:55.52 | zinx | that'd do it |
| 17:55.56 | Cyis | tralala: hence the apt-pinning of the unstable version of the nvidia driver |
| 17:56.00 | tralala | Cyis, and this is how nvidia handles unsuppored models?! |
| 17:56.12 | zinx | tralala: by not starting X, yes |
| 17:56.18 | twist | cyis: i dont have a /etc/apt/preferences |
| 17:56.21 | abrotman | make one |
| 17:56.32 | tralala | zinx, by completely crashing the OS? |
| 17:56.35 | twist | dir? |
| 17:56.40 | zinx | tralala: i've not seen it do that, no |
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| 17:56.55 | tralala | zinx, this is why I suspect the framebuffer |
| 17:56.57 | Cyis | twist: by default you won't... you have to create it... |
| 17:56.58 | zinx | tralala: that's an impressive feat. does it actually OOPS the system, or are you just assuming it crashed the OS because you get a black screen? |
| 17:57.02 | Obligatory | eleytheross, a skim of 'wget' like packages suggests 'aget', 'gtm', 'snarf', 'puf', and others. Unfortunately I can't vouch for any! |
| 17:57.18 | twist | cyis: is it a dir or a txt, conf .... ect |
| 17:57.35 | tralala | zinx, I assume it's crashed because: a) black screen; b) no ctrl+alt+fN; c) no ssh-in |
| 17:57.38 | zinx | tralala: also, what card do you have? |
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| 17:58.01 | alberto | hi |
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| 17:58.03 | Cyis | twist: just vi /etc/apt/preferences and paste the lines in |
| 17:58.04 | tralala | zinx, it's twist who has the problem, not me |
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| 17:58.15 | zinx | oh, sorry |
| 17:58.15 | twist | ok |
| 17:58.22 | twist | zinx: hi |
| 17:58.24 | zinx | twist: what card do you have? :P |
| 17:58.37 | twist | zinx: a 8600 gts |
| 17:58.52 | zinx | ah yes, that's not supported by anything less than 100.14.x |
| 17:59.04 | twist | ok. |
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| 17:59.17 | Cyis | hmm... seems nvidia-glx from unstable will be the issue though... |
| 17:59.24 | zinx | pull the drivers from unstable or from people.debian.org/~rdonald/ |
| 17:59.30 | Cyis | it wants the upgraded libc6 from unstable |
| 17:59.38 | zinx | oh? bah |
| 17:59.49 | zinx | wonder why it's requiring the new version |
| 17:59.53 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 17:59.53 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 17:59.55 | valdyn | Cyis: ^^^ |
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| 18:00.46 | tralala | Cyis, isn't it backported in bpo? |
| 18:00.53 | Cyis | have to check... |
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| 18:01.19 | zinx | tralala: 100.14.09 hit the repositories yesterday |
| 18:01.27 | zinx | tralala: 100.14.11 is out now :x |
| 18:01.28 | valdyn | dpkg: simple sid backport =~ s/, or pay someone to do it properly// |
| 18:01.29 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 18:01.42 | Cyis | nope... only looks like it's backported 1.0.8178 |
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| 18:02.03 | tralala | zinx, nvidia's driver numbering says nothing to me, i.e. I've got no idea what's before ...09 |
| 18:02.14 | zinx | tralala: 06 :P |
| 18:02.39 | zinx | tralala: it's hard to mess it up when they include the 0 digits |
| 18:03.00 | Cyis | using the nvidia-glx from unstable just requires allowing it to upgrade libc6, binutils, tzdata and locales |
| 18:03.08 | zinx | not a good idea |
| 18:03.10 | tralala | zinx, whatever - I don't feel any pitty for the nvidia users |
| 18:03.11 | valdyn | 'just' |
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| 18:03.59 | zinx | tralala: i don't need your pity :P |
| 18:04.10 | zinx | tralala: i have a nice fast card i can develop games with |
| 18:04.12 | Cyis | I'll handle those upgrades when I get home tonite... not gonna do it remotely |
| 18:04.18 | wols | Cyis: you are not suppoed to use the deb |
| 18:04.23 | wols | !utsl |
| 18:04.24 | dpkg | i heard utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 18:04.27 | tralala | zinx, more power to you cause you wouldn't have it even if you needed it |
| 18:04.43 | Enverex | Anyone using an IPW3945 on Sid? I noticed it only has drivers for the .18 kernel so I installed the source package, built it with m-a, installed, modprobed it but it doesn't seem to work, "ucode load failed: Reason -2" :( |
| 18:04.48 | zinx | tralala: o_O |
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| 18:05.04 | wols | Enverex: it need firmware |
| 18:05.04 | tralala | zinx, my pity ;) |
| 18:05.11 | wols | ucode=microcode |
| 18:05.12 | Cyis | wols: if you grab nvidia's installer it has issues running if you are in X already... so using the nvidia-kernel-source package and m-a is the Debian-way to do it |
| 18:05.20 | Enverex | wols, *sighs* Right, and where do I get that from? |
| 18:05.23 | Obligatory | twist, I don't know if this is useful but IIRC the 'KnoppMyth" bootcd installs older nvidia 3d drivers automatically. |
| 18:05.38 | wols | Cyis: if you use sid packages. yu do a backport. you do not use the debs |
| 18:05.41 | valdyn | Cyis: you arent supposed to use the sid debs. You are supposed to backport. |
| 18:05.43 | Enverex | wols, (see, you don't have to do crap like this on Windows, hell, it worked out of the box on Ubuntu even) |
| 18:05.44 | assasukasse | hi someone can explain me the difference between lam-mpi and mpich? |
| 18:06.17 | Cyis | my system is never a pure-bred :) it's a hybrid of stable/unstable/experimental |
| 18:06.18 | wols | I currently have two users how try to get their nvidia working for hours over there |
| 18:06.23 | Enverex | wols, I think I got it... |
| 18:06.30 | wols | also there are TONS of nvidia problems with windows too |
| 18:06.31 | valdyn | Enverex: http://www.intellinuxwireless.org |
| 18:06.38 | valdyn | Cyis: that is your problem |
| 18:06.49 | Cyis | although I've got a nice etch chroot here I could build a backport myself |
| 18:06.57 | Obligatory | Everyone just loves nvidia... |
| 18:06.58 | wols | heck I had some where I repeatedly used drivercleaner, and stuff until it would redempt me from 800x600x16colors... |
| 18:07.10 | twist | cyis: done the prefrences what next? |
| 18:07.20 | wols | Obligatory: they have fairly good driver support but they are far from perfect |
| 18:07.26 | Enverex | valdyn, It's in Apt already it seems |
| 18:07.31 | wols | and of course their attitude towards Free software stinks |
| 18:07.35 | zinx | tralala: ah, hehe |
| 18:07.37 | valdyn | Enverex: the firmware is? |
| 18:07.40 | Cyis | twist: hang on... I'm making a backport to etch |
| 18:07.51 | twist | cyis: ok |
| 18:07.56 | Obligatory | wols, nvidias are fun when you get 'em working. |
| 18:08.20 | Enverex | valdyn, "firmware-ipw3945" |
| 18:08.27 | h3sp4wn | Wost video card I have ever had this nvidia 7300GT |
| 18:08.34 | wols | Cyis: but you better make it for the etch kernel and not your own... |
| 18:08.37 | valdyn | Enverex: ah, neat |
| 18:08.38 | flami | ATI on the other hand also sucks when they work :P |
| 18:08.40 | twist | obligatory: It maybe worth a look if this dosnt work.. |
| 18:08.47 | Cyis | wols: I do use the debian kernel |
| 18:08.50 | wols | h3sp4wn: why? |
| 18:09.02 | wols | Cyis: which one? from sid? amd64? etc? |
| 18:09.12 | wols | even when you use a 2.6.18-4 kernel |
| 18:09.17 | Cyis | wols: and I'm not gonna build the kernel module... just the nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-kernel-common |
| 18:09.27 | wols | it's not guaranteed the kernels in lenny and etch of that name are the same |
| 18:09.31 | Cyis | 2.6.18-4-686 from etch |
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| 18:09.45 | h3sp4wn | wols: picture quality - (Its not by a cheap manufacturer or anything though) |
| 18:09.56 | Obligatory | twist: Mepis can also do something like that, but you have to jump through some KDE installer hoop -- AFAIK 'KnoppMyth' as the easiest version. |
| 18:10.01 | Cyis | wols: which is why just getting the glx and kernel module source package are the better course |
| 18:10.02 | tralala | Cyis, can you put them on bpo when you're done? Or do you know anybody who can? |
| 18:10.12 | twist | cyis: i will be right back |
| 18:10.16 | wols | h3sp4wn: that is not the fault of nvidia |
| 18:10.30 | twist | obligatory: if there old drivers i doubt they will support my card. |
| 18:10.38 | wols | i had an alabtron on a vrey sharp monitor (samsung 755DFX) great crisp picture |
| 18:10.52 | h3sp4wn | wols: It is - its the way they deal with EDID |
| 18:10.55 | wols | now I have a gainward golen sample 6600 with godawmn awful quality on the analog out |
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| 18:11.03 | wols | a dvi2svga converter helped somewhat |
| 18:11.08 | h3sp4wn | wols: (This is on dvi also) |
| 18:11.13 | Obligatory | twist: I think I'll look up your card now... |
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| 18:11.37 | wols | h3sp4wn: all I can say that my albatron 4200 was superb |
| 18:11.59 | wols | Obligatory: if you use 100.x drivers, they will work |
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| 18:12.40 | twist | obligatory: ok |
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| 18:12.45 | tralala | my radeon 9250 is superb - I can even play torcs acceptably well |
| 18:12.50 | Cyis | I've never uploaded to bpo ... but I can always setup a repo under my people.d.o space |
| 18:13.08 | twist | tralala: i had t5hat card for a while |
| 18:13.14 | Enverex | This sucks, Why is network assistant not detecting that I have a wireless network card :( |
| 18:13.18 | h3sp4wn | my radeon 9250 was nice (still nowhere near its full potential though) |
| 18:13.38 | h3sp4wn | pity you cannot get PCI-E 9250 (or I would have just got one) |
| 18:13.45 | hark | Enverex: does it show up with ifconfig/iwconfig? |
| 18:13.50 | tralala | Cyis, if you manage to put it in bpo it will reach wider audience - and it seems it's badly needed |
| 18:14.10 | tralala | twist, you should've kept it |
| 18:14.26 | tralala | h3sp4wn, indeed |
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| 18:14.46 | Enverex | hark, What package is iwconfig part of? I thought it was wifi-tools or whatever, but I've got that installed... |
| 18:14.47 | Cyis | fired off the chroot build command... |
| 18:14.54 | h3sp4wn | Enverex: wireless-tools |
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| 18:15.02 | Enverex | hark: nevermind, I do have it installed, I wasn't root |
| 18:15.29 | hark | Enverex: or /sbin/iwconfig then :) |
| 18:16.03 | Enverex | dmesg shows the driver loaded fine but iwconfig shows no wireless extensions on anythinng :/ |
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| 18:16.32 | hark | Enverex: what wirless card do you have? |
| 18:16.40 | Enverex | Intel 3945 |
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| 18:16.48 | tralala | Enverex, some drivers need the interface to be up before showing the wireless extensions |
| 18:16.52 | Enverex | It's not showing up in ifconfig actually... |
| 18:17.00 | Enverex | (I thought it was but that's my bluetooth) |
| 18:17.01 | hark | so, got the daemon, firmware and source? |
| 18:17.15 | tralala | Enverex, also did the firmware load successfully? |
| 18:17.22 | tralala | Enverex, in ifconfig -a? |
| 18:18.04 | hark | Enverex: modprobe -r ipw3945 and then modprobe it . check dmesg |tail |
| 18:18.07 | Enverex | tralala, Well I tried to load the module without the firmware, that didn't work, I installed the firmware and reloaded and dmesg showed it load without any errors, but it's not in ifconfig -a |
| 18:18.13 | Obligatory | Boy, that Nvidia GeForce 8600 GTS looks like a space heater. |
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| 18:18.54 | Cyis | okay... have Etch nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-dev and nvidia-kernel-source debs |
| 18:19.01 | Enverex | hark, I did, it says what it is, gives it an IRQ, says detected Intel blah blah Networj Connection |
| 18:19.02 | tralala | Obligatory, if you've ever wondered what's the biggest contributor to the global heating, now you know |
| 18:19.22 | hark | Enverex: and you need ipw3945d too afaik |
| 18:20.01 | Cyis | let me get mini-dinstall setup |
| 18:20.12 | Enverex | hark: I really dont like the description of that package... |
| 18:20.26 | twist | ok im back |
| 18:20.28 | Enverex | !ipw3945d |
| 18:20.39 | hark | !ipw3945 |
| 18:20.40 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
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| 18:21.34 | hark | the newer ones, (not in Debian) i think don't require the binary daemon any longer.. not sure |
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| 18:22.12 | Enverex | That was it |
| 18:22.14 | Enverex | Works now |
| 18:22.27 | Enverex | Thanks hark |
| 18:22.38 | hark | np :) |
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| 18:22.47 | Enverex | Damn that was messy, 4 packages, 1 driver, 1 service just for once piece of hardware :/ |
| 18:22.54 | twist | cyis: you there? |
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| 18:23.35 | Cyis | twist: yep... still here |
| 18:24.03 | Blackgoth | anyone with a good DC++ client for debian, on cli? |
| 18:24.03 | twist | cyis: hows progress? |
| 18:24.15 | Cyis | twist: just trying to setup mini-dinstall to handle the repo |
| 18:24.47 | twist | cyis: kay, am i ready to move on? |
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| 18:25.02 | Cyis | twist: might not need that /etc/apt/preferences if I get this working |
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| 18:25.31 | twist | cyis: well its saved but i can allways delete it |
| 18:25.51 | zoredache | is there a cli tool that I can use to get a list of 'orphaned' packages similar to what I see in dselect/aptitude? |
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| 18:27.02 | ben_goodger | aptitude is a cli program... |
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| 18:28.54 | zoredache | ben_goodger, yes I know that, but I want to get a list of obsolete packages into a script |
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| 18:29.17 | zoredache | that can't easily, be done through aptitiude as far as I can tell |
| 18:29.53 | Blackgoth | Im looking for a GOOD DC++ for debian, it needs to be able to run in a shell. |
| 18:29.59 | Obligatory | twist: probably you've already considered 'envy'? "http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html" |
| 18:30.23 | gpm | Blackgoth: dctc? |
| 18:30.39 | Blackgoth | doesnt support tty gpm |
| 18:30.46 | Blackgoth | *tth |
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| 18:31.26 | gpm | um, yes it does, it's the direct connect text client |
| 18:31.36 | Blackgoth | no it doesnt, i tried it |
| 18:32.00 | abrotman | uhhu .. does too!! meanie! |
| 18:32.14 | Blackgoth | lol |
| 18:32.18 | gpm | actually dctc is not a client, it's a bunch of libraries |
| 18:32.30 | Blackgoth | and dcgui is the frontend for it. i know |
| 18:32.44 | abrotman | distcc ? |
| 18:32.48 | Blackgoth | you can give it a couple of commandline commands, but doesnt support it anyway |
| 18:32.55 | gpm | heh |
| 18:32.58 | abrotman | why do they let me in here?! |
| 18:33.07 | gpm | Blackgoth: yeah dcgui is a piece of crap afaic |
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| 18:33.25 | cast | Blackgoth: nc |
| 18:33.32 | cast | night folks! |
| 18:33.43 | Blackgoth | cast: nc? |
| 18:33.51 | abrotman | netcat ? |
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| 18:34.24 | Blackgoth | gpm: i know, linuxdcpp is ok, but fails because it still needs gdm to run |
| 18:34.26 | gpm | i don't think there are any good cli dc++ clients |
| 18:34.37 | Cyis | uploading to my repo directory... after I verify it's all accurate I'll give the URL |
| 18:34.45 | gpm | it needs X |
| 18:34.46 | gpm | but not gdm |
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| 18:34.55 | Blackgoth | yeah ok :P |
| 18:35.01 | Blackgoth | you know what i mean |
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| 18:35.08 | gpm | yes, it's not cli |
| 18:35.50 | gpm | why don't you just use X, out of curiosity/ |
| 18:36.19 | python_ | is anyone hear familire with samba as a domain controler? |
| 18:36.29 | Blackgoth | well, because i cant use vnc, it's a resouce hogg, and i dont like it :P |
| 18:36.51 | abrotman | python_: there is #samba .. and you could just state your real question |
| 18:36.53 | gpm | why do you need to use dc on a remote box? |
| 18:37.06 | Blackgoth | it's my fileserver for lanparty's |
| 18:37.12 | gpm | parties? |
| 18:37.28 | gpm | you could just download on your box that has X |
| 18:37.35 | gpm | then transfer files via nfs or cifs or whatever |
| 18:37.47 | Blackgoth | i want to be able to upload from that box gpm :) |
| 18:37.55 | gpm | why? |
| 18:37.58 | gpm | oh wait |
| 18:37.59 | Blackgoth | because |
| 18:38.05 | gpm | well you can upload |
| 18:38.13 | gpm | you mean upload over dc++? |
| 18:38.16 | Blackgoth | yep |
| 18:38.24 | cast | abrotman: because i said stfu before? :( |
| 18:38.24 | Obligatory | G'bye all. |
| 18:38.38 | abrotman | cast: because you smacked me in the head with a brick! :) |
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| 18:39.01 | gpm | i don't get it, you want to connect to some hub and upload stuff to friends through dc++? |
| 18:39.16 | abrotman | wtf is dc++ ? |
| 18:39.24 | gpm | abrotman: it's a popular direct connect client |
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| 18:39.36 | abrotman | sounds .. like stuff for kids! |
| 18:39.39 | dkr | "popular" |
| 18:39.45 | gpm | *some* people (not me) prefer to refer to direct connect as a whole as dc++ |
| 18:39.51 | Blackgoth | gpm: yes, thats exactly what i want to do |
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| 18:40.12 | gpm | Blackgoth: i don't get why you need a seperate box to do this...why not just upload on your computer? |
| 18:40.27 | Blackgoth | because i have a seperate box for it |
| 18:40.30 | gpm | abrotman: heh, it's ok you're not missing much |
| 18:40.44 | balzar | i have 3 sound cards on my system, how can store my alsa configuration such than the driver is loaded for second card per default ? |
| 18:40.45 | gpm | Blackgoth: well there aren't any cli direct connect clients |
| 18:40.59 | gpm | because it's basically a desktop p2p thing |
| 18:41.10 | gpm | why not just make a web server and tell your friends to download over http? |
| 18:41.21 | cahoot | balzar, you want to set one as default - google alsa faq |
| 18:41.28 | ustunozgur | balzar: you mean make the second card default? |
| 18:41.30 | balzar | gpm: mutella ? |
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| 18:41.40 | ustunozgur | balzar: asoundconf |
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| 18:41.54 | gpm | balzar: i'm fine, thanks. |
| 18:42.18 | twist | cyis: you still working on those drivers? |
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| 18:42.25 | unlink | why does mailman sometimes use the default DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN and DEFAULT_URL_HOST and other times use the ones in the mm_cfg.py file? |
| 18:42.28 | unlink | even in the same file |
| 18:42.31 | gpm | there are many ways to share files, Blackgoth |
| 18:42.41 | Blackgoth | i already have them all |
| 18:42.44 | unlink | Overview of all example.com mailing lists is correct |
| 18:42.48 | Blackgoth | but i "NEED" dc++ |
| 18:42.51 | unlink | but Mailman administrative interface is wrong |
| 18:42.52 | balzar | ustunozgur: thanks |
| 18:43.03 | gpm | Blackgoth: i guess you're sol then :( |
| 18:43.09 | icy | when entering a very long command over ssh on a debian box, instead of printing the keys in the line below, they overwrite the old line which makes it quite unreadable. Anyone know how to fix that? |
| 18:43.12 | Blackgoth | ftp, http, torrent, all supported, but i need dc >< |
| 18:43.18 | Cyis | twist: working on the repo |
| 18:43.19 | abrotman | icy: fix the TERM |
| 18:43.24 | bkw__ | My installation is running '2.6.18-4-amd64' if I want to recompile, is it the 'linux-source-2.6.18' package I want? |
| 18:43.28 | icy | abrotman: well, how? :) |
| 18:43.30 | gpm | aside from running your own hub... |
| 18:43.34 | Cyis | I'm testing it against my workstation at home to make sure it works right |
| 18:43.38 | icy | abrotman: I don't know where to look |
| 18:43.41 | gpm | there's no way to be involved with dc at the cl |
| 18:43.47 | twist | cyis: ok sorry to disturb you, but ill be back in about 45 mins. |
| 18:44.03 | ustunozgur | balzar: and you can find GUI's for that as well, but they are being developed at the moment. if you want that too, I can give the link. |
| 18:44.07 | abrotman | icy: echo $TERM |
| 18:44.37 | Cyis | twist: no problem... in working on it I accidently blew away a good chunk of my web server's document directory so got slowed down restoring it :) |
| 18:44.52 | balzar | ustunozgur: thanks for your concern, but i will manage :-) |
| 18:45.04 | icy | abrotman: xterm-color, bretty standard. Now what next? |
| 18:45.24 | abrotman | export TERM=vt100 .. maybe that'llf ix it ? |
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| 18:45.49 | Blackgoth | thnx anyway gpm |
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| 18:46.05 | gpm | Blackgoth: sorry dude |
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| 18:46.31 | gpm | it would be messy to implement on cli anyway...chat tab, download tab, download queue, etc. |
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| 18:46.40 | Blackgoth | dont need chat :P |
| 18:46.43 | abrotman | gpm: like irssi ? |
| 18:47.01 | sochead | when I try to configure something, I am getting this error: configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables. |
| 18:47.03 | Blackgoth | centericq like :p |
| 18:47.04 | gpm | abrotman: obviously irc is more widely used than direct-connect |
| 18:47.06 | sochead | but I have c++ installed |
| 18:47.18 | Blackgoth | sochead: install the devel kit too |
| 18:47.18 | abrotman | gpm: you sure? |
| 18:47.18 | gpm | and better imho |
| 18:47.28 | gpm | abrotman: pretty sure. you don't even know what dc is! |
| 18:47.35 | Blackgoth | haha |
| 18:48.00 | abrotman | gpm: i'm old .. we've covered this |
| 18:48.09 | gpm | how old? |
| 18:48.32 | abrotman | i had to wait 86 years for a world series damn it! |
| 18:48.59 | abrotman | old enough that i remember when transformers/gijoe/voltron/robotech were way damn cool |
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| 18:49.19 | gpm | oh that's not that old |
| 18:49.32 | trpr | yeah, if thats old then i'm old :( |
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| 18:49.47 | gpm | you've just haven't ventured that far into p2p land |
| 18:49.48 | abrotman | gpm: i used to watch Jackson5 on saturday mornings! |
| 18:49.58 | gpm | ok, that gives you some old cred |
| 18:50.08 | abrotman | Mr Hooper used to manage the store on sesame street! |
| 18:50.23 | gpm | i know mr. hooper though, you're losing steam |
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| 18:50.48 | sophacles | transformers are pretty cool again |
| 18:50.50 | abrotman | you sohuld .. he managed the store til i was a teenager |
| 18:50.52 | abrotman | sophacles: no |
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| 18:50.55 | abrotman | not even close |
| 18:51.00 | abrotman | !stab michael bay |
| 18:51.04 | gpm | abrotman: so at most you're like 10 years older than me |
| 18:51.05 | Rikkimaru | what is the command that will tell you the libraries a command uses? |
| 18:51.07 | gpm | still young |
| 18:51.09 | abrotman | gpm: maybe five :) |
| 18:51.14 | abrotman | Rikkimaru: ld |
| 18:51.16 | abrotman | erm . ldd |
| 18:51.27 | Rikkimaru | abrotman, thanks :D |
| 18:51.32 | abrotman | Rikkimaru: ldd `which <yourcommand` |
| 18:51.40 | sochead | anyone know what I am missing? |
| 18:51.53 | abrotman | !b-e sochead |
| 18:51.53 | dpkg | sochead: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 18:51.56 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 18:52.12 | abrotman | dpkg: cmd: b-e (.*?) =~ s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 18:52.12 | sochead | thanks |
| 18:52.12 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 18:52.15 | abrotman | !b-e me |
| 18:52.15 | dpkg | abrotman: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 18:52.18 | sophacles | abrotman: what do you mean no? all my nephews and thier friends lof transformers |
| 18:52.25 | sophacles | s/lof/love |
| 18:52.31 | abrotman | sophacles: doesn't make them cool :) |
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| 18:52.41 | sophacles | amongst the children it does |
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| 18:52.50 | abrotman | wtf do kids know |
| 18:52.54 | abrotman | :) |
| 18:53.00 | kexman | how to upset adults :P |
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| 18:54.24 | trpr | kids know everything. don' you remember being one ;) |
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| 18:55.03 | Ronin | kids think they know everything |
| 18:55.24 | trpr | hehe. yeah. that's a needed correction |
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| 18:56.06 | Cyis | twist: you running x86 ? |
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| 18:56.30 | abrotman | aw crap .. i thought it wsa friday |
| 18:56.42 | Ronin | abrotman: we should be so lucky |
| 18:57.10 | abrotman | some days .. i wish i were a teacher |
| 18:57.33 | unlink | haha |
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| 18:58.02 | unlink | my settings in mm_cfg.py aren't observed by mailman *sometimes* |
| 18:58.17 | abrotman | unlink: there's also a #mailman channel you might want to ping |
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| 18:58.41 | unlink | abrotman: noted |
| 18:58.51 | gpm | is it me or does mailman seem rather buggy? |
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| 18:59.23 | abrotman | gpm: eh .. it's worked fine for me for years |
| 18:59.28 | abrotman | gpm: but i use postfix! |
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| 18:59.31 | gpm | werd |
| 18:59.38 | gpm | i gotta try that out one of these days |
| 18:59.49 | gpm | i'm getting too comfy with exim and sendmail |
| 18:59.53 | abrotman | gpm: ours even runs on a P150 :) |
| 18:59.58 | gpm | gotta keep up with joneses |
| 19:00.05 | gpm | jeez, very nice |
| 19:00.13 | abrotman | that's right .. all at once! it uses all that Horsepower! |
| 19:00.16 | unlink | is there a mailing list app that works well with exim4 on debian? |
| 19:00.23 | gpm | mailman |
| 19:00.24 | gpm | :P |
| 19:00.42 | unlink | from my experience, mailman does not indeed work :-) |
| 19:00.44 | abrotman | i don't understand why exim doesn't like mailman |
| 19:00.55 | gpm | it's supposed to like it the best. |
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| 19:01.13 | gpm | unlink: have you checked out http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html |
| 19:01.18 | abrotman | unlink: at least you're not trying to use ezmlm and qmail! |
| 19:01.20 | unlink | because mailman wants to use piped aliases, which exim has sort of deprecated, i guess |
| 19:01.29 | abrotman | unlink: are you in love with exim ? |
| 19:01.45 | unlink | abrotman: qmail? 1999 called...they want their MTA back |
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| 19:01.54 | gpm | postfix, dummy |
| 19:01.55 | ELSEGO | hola people |
| 19:01.57 | abrotman | unlink: when i started here .. that's what they had in place |
| 19:02.09 | abrotman | and it was on .. RH6.2 i think |
| 19:02.13 | gpm | ugh |
| 19:02.26 | unlink | abrotman: not particularly, but i like the fact that i know how to make it work |
| 19:02.39 | abrotman | postfix is pretty darn easy |
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| 19:03.05 | abrotman | unlink: regardless .. check gpm's url .. see if there are some hints |
| 19:03.25 | gpm | it's kinda *the* page to check out |
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| 19:03.49 | unlink | gpm: *the* page it /usr/share/doc/mailman/README* |
| 19:03.53 | Zee1ot | if I have lenny installed can I go back to etch without breaking anything? |
| 19:04.03 | unlink | *is |
| 19:04.04 | stew | Zee1ot: nope |
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| 19:04.07 | biopyte | hi. there is a stupid cdrom spinning in the drive. cant mount it, cant kill the mount process, cant eject .... how do i get that cdrom out? |
| 19:04.20 | Zee1ot | safety pin? |
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| 19:04.23 | Zee1ot | shutdown? |
| 19:04.33 | abrotman | biopyte: if you use the pin trick . it will still be spinning when it pops out |
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| 19:04.41 | abrotman | most likely |
| 19:04.48 | Cyis | ok... looks like I have the nvidia driver backported and repo working |
| 19:04.48 | gpm | unlink: well, when that fails (and it seems to have failed), google is the next step |
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| 19:04.49 | abrotman | biopyte: why won't it eject? |
| 19:04.54 | gpm | *the* page can change |
| 19:04.55 | biopyte | Zee1ot: i was thinking of somethin more subtle and less crude :) |
| 19:05.02 | Zee1ot | lol |
| 19:05.05 | Zee1ot | sorry =P |
| 19:05.06 | pihhan | hello |
| 19:05.08 | biopyte | abrotman: dont know. |
| 19:05.18 | abrotman | no error ? |
| 19:05.20 | unlink | abrotman: i was screaming my head off at thunderbird not working with TLS SMTP auth on my box...yeah, our corporate firewall was mangling outgoing SMTP connections |
| 19:05.21 | Zee1ot | I would reboot |
| 19:05.28 | biopyte | abrotman:keeps spinning ... |
| 19:05.33 | abrotman | unlink: fun |
| 19:05.37 | pihhan | have anyone have nvidia-glx + nvidia-kernel packages working? |
| 19:05.38 | abrotman | biopyte: no error from eject? |
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| 19:05.48 | unlink | abrotman: EHLO example.com became EHLO XXXXXXXXXX |
| 19:05.51 | Cyis | pihhan: Yes... |
| 19:05.54 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 19:06.10 | biopyte | abrotman: no nothing. eject hangs. the process is stuck at mounting. |
| 19:06.31 | unlink | abrotman: strangely, exim doesn't understand that as a valid EHLO statement |
| 19:06.36 | pihhan | Cyis, do you have etch or testing or unstable or other? |
| 19:06.42 | abrotman | biopyte: lsof .. see what's using it |
| 19:06.42 | Cyis | unlink: that's why I have my mail server listening on non-standard ports as well |
| 19:06.47 | Cyis | pihhan: etch |
| 19:06.49 | biopyte | abrot: of i course i can reboot. no big deal. i just thougth there was another command line trick. |
| 19:06.58 | abrotman | i didn't suggest you reboot |
| 19:07.04 | biopyte | abrotman: ok |
| 19:07.13 | abrotman | it's also possible it's a hardware issue |
| 19:07.20 | biopyte | oh, i see |
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| 19:08.04 | abrotman | you see ? |
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| 19:08.31 | pihhan | Cyis, can you check if you have in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers nvidia_drv.o or nvidia_drv.so? |
| 19:08.31 | biopyte | abrotman,Zee1ot: i dont want to waste your time with this.its not so important ... ooops it can came out , hahaha. |
| 19:08.44 | Zee1ot | lol |
| 19:08.47 | biopyte | however ... through it away |
| 19:09.02 | biopyte | stupid disc |
| 19:09.23 | abrotman | biopyte: ? |
| 19:09.27 | abrotman | biopyte: was something using it ? |
| 19:09.28 | biopyte | Zee1ot,abrotman: thank you |
| 19:09.31 | Cyis | pihhan: nvidia_drv.so ... I believe the issue with nVidia is if you're using Xorg 7.2 which is in Lenny |
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| 19:09.56 | pihhan | Cyis, yes, i am using testing |
| 19:09.57 | Thorrn4 | hello, when I boot up my system, it says its loading ACPI (I think only laptops need that right?) I was wondering, how can I get rid of it if I dont need it? |
| 19:10.08 | biopyte | abrotman: too late, i didnt check. i'm a slow writer ... its hard enough for me keeping up answering :) |
| 19:10.32 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 19:10.36 | Cyis | pihhan: the nvidia driver is broken for xorg 7.2 there is a fix mentioned somewhere can't recall but it is the naming of the driver that's breaking it |
| 19:10.42 | h3sp4wn | pihhan: There is another wierd issue with nvidia and 2.6.22-rc5 |
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| 19:10.49 | abrotman | Thorrn4: any fairly recent machine can use it |
| 19:10.54 | Cyis | gotta love when a minor version change causes problems like that :) |
| 19:11.13 | kangaroo | Hello! I've got a problem with frame buffer |
| 19:11.27 | pihhan | h3sp4wn, well i had problems with hdparm and recent kernels, so i am using older ones |
| 19:11.40 | kangaroo | it says /dev/fb0 no such file or directory |
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| 19:11.41 | h3sp4wn | pihhan: and smart |
| 19:11.47 | h3sp4wn | pihhan: ? ( |
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| 19:13.37 | pihhan | h3sp4wn, i got hda: dma_intr: status=0x58 { Driv |
| 19:13.37 | pihhan | eReady SeekComplete DataRequest } before hda: CHECK for good STATUS |
| 19:14.08 | h3sp4wn | pihhan: (alot) More severe than the issue I have |
| 19:14.09 | pihhan | h3sp4wn, i recently found problem might be only in setting disc parameters with hdparm on startup |
| 19:14.13 | Cyis | pihhan: that sounds like the death throws of a harddrive :) |
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| 19:14.23 | pihhan | no, it is not |
| 19:14.43 | pihhan | harddrive is somehow new (about 4 months) |
| 19:14.59 | abrotman | still could die |
| 19:15.04 | abrotman | is dma on/off ? |
| 19:15.14 | pihhan | problem is it does lockup often with recent kernels on hdparm settings at boot time |
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| 19:15.54 | pihhan | it does so only once, at boot time. no next messages are printed then |
| 19:16.30 | pihhan | when i removed all parameters from hdparm.conf for that disk, no such message were printed |
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| 19:17.26 | pihhan | it is weird, but i can live without it if everything else works better |
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| 19:23.32 | Thorrn4 | hello, I just changed my etch repos for testing and when I try to upgrade a program called "debianutilies" it wants to remove gcc+ 4.1 gcc util-linux tzdata...are those files no longer needed? |
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| 19:25.23 | wols | !info debianutilities lenny |
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| 19:25.51 | wols | Thorrn4: that does not exist. apt-cache policy debianutilities in a pastebin please |
| 19:26.15 | wols | apt-cache cache show debianutilities too |
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| 19:27.31 | twist | cyis: hows it going man |
| 19:27.51 | Thorrn4 | wols, its debianutils - http://pastebin.ca/581899 |
| 19:28.15 | kexman | guys point me to some quick debian learning site :) |
| 19:28.25 | kexman | i need to learn some very basic debian skillz :) |
| 19:28.30 | valdyn | pihhan: why do you need to set parameters with hdparm? there's rarely a point. |
| 19:28.31 | kexman | ill have to administer a debian machine |
| 19:28.34 | wols | how are you upgradeing? apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 19:28.40 | wols | !refcard |
| 19:28.40 | dpkg | refcard is probably A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
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| 19:29.03 | Thorrn4 | do, I changed all of the repos and now Im goin through the files that can upgraded that I want |
| 19:29.07 | wols | kexman: and understand the package management. apt hwoto. and installguide might be useful too |
| 19:29.10 | Thorrn4 | wols, no |
| 19:29.11 | wols | !grounding |
| 19:29.11 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 19:29.23 | wols | Thorrn4: try with aptitude |
| 19:29.27 | pihhan | valdyn, i had other motherboard before, and it had broken udma, so i had to set mdma2 to get some speed at last |
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| 19:29.44 | kexman | okay |
| 19:29.45 | kexman | thanx |
| 19:29.48 | zinx | pihhan: sure it wasn't a broken (or wrong) cable? |
| 19:29.51 | kexman | well the debian is already on the system |
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| 19:30.03 | kexman | someone else installed it ... and now i have to administer it ... ill be the new admin |
| 19:30.05 | Thorrn4 | ok wols |
| 19:30.05 | jakub_ | hi |
| 19:30.08 | kexman | and i know little about debian |
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| 19:30.13 | jakub_ | please i have question about usb |
| 19:30.16 | jakub_ | i have card reader |
| 19:30.19 | wifimonster | anyone know where I can get a pidgin package? |
| 19:30.24 | kexman | one question ... there are alot of running programs ... samba for example |
| 19:30.27 | jakub_ | but if i pick some flash card in linux dont automount it |
| 19:30.29 | jakub_ | last time it did |
| 19:30.29 | kexman | can i update while its running ? |
| 19:30.31 | kexman | then restart it ? |
| 19:30.37 | valdyn | kexman: yes |
| 19:30.40 | twist | cyis: hows it going man? |
| 19:30.40 | kexman | valdyn, cool |
| 19:30.49 | jakub_ | i dont know what i did wrong |
| 19:30.56 | valdyn | kexman: debian does this for you, as long as you use debian packages |
| 19:30.59 | pihhan | zinx, no, it is ASUS KT133 with broken board layout. anyway i think setting parameters with hdparm is not something forbidden and should work better than it does to me |
| 19:31.08 | kexman | im thinking about to login somehow into that system remotely from here via its kdm or whatever it has |
| 19:31.23 | kexman | aaa one more thing ... how do you recognize a debian ? |
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| 19:31.27 | valdyn | pihhan: not exactly, hdparm usage is generally unsafe and it sais so in the manpage |
| 19:31.38 | valdyn | pihhan: it works for some things, sure |
| 19:31.38 | kexman | i just remembered that it might be an ubuntu judging from its kdm background .... |
| 19:31.47 | zinx | pihhan: if you're using one of the 'UNSAFE' / 'DANGEROUS' options, i think you're getting what you deserve :P |
| 19:31.57 | abrotman | kexman: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 19:32.08 | kexman | abrotman, one sec |
| 19:32.39 | pihhan | but why with older kernels it does work, and with newer it does not? |
| 19:33.12 | kexman | ii libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 19:33.14 | kexman | uff :( |
| 19:33.24 | kexman | but anyway knowing debian will help me more then knowing ubuntu ;) |
| 19:33.25 | kexman | right ? :) |
| 19:33.27 | valdyn | pihhan: debugging ata drivers is out of scope of this channel, however we dont even know what exactly is not working for you, so there's no way anyone can answer taht question |
| 19:33.37 | kexman | its a fork of debian as iirc |
| 19:33.47 | pihhan | on that machine without hdparm it was useless, any operation with disk was painfully slow |
| 19:33.49 | twist | cyis: you still here man? |
| 19:34.01 | xand | Warning |
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| 19:34.16 | valdyn | pihhan: i fail to see how that's relevant when you are using a new machine now? confusing me.. |
| 19:34.18 | amigamia | hi is there any news on debian-med? |
| 19:34.24 | pihhan | valdyn, i dont know either what is wrong with that |
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| 19:34.29 | amigamia | i have been waiting for a year on this |
| 19:34.32 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 19:34.45 | pihhan | i am surprised when i removed all parameters, it works well (for now) |
| 19:35.08 | abrotman | kexman: you sohuld ask #ubuntu for help |
| 19:35.15 | valdyn | pihhan: uh, just appreciate the fact, and leave hdparm alone ) |
| 19:35.18 | kexman | abrotman, hmmm debian is very far from ubuntu ? |
| 19:35.25 | Gigantic | TrueDD: :) |
| 19:35.51 | abrotman | kexman: things we tell you to do that would work for debian might mess up an ubuntu install |
| 19:35.54 | TrueDD | Salut Gigantic :) |
| 19:35.59 | kexman | abrotman, uhumm |
| 19:36.02 | kexman | thanx |
| 19:36.07 | pihhan | kexman, debian is not so far from ubuntu, but debian users are very far from ubuntu users :) |
| 19:36.08 | kexman | apreaciating the help :) |
| 19:36.10 | TrueDD | euh .... |
| 19:36.12 | PF | Is port 22 blocked by default (upon initial installation) in Debian 4.0 ? |
| 19:36.14 | TrueDD | hi Gigantic |
| 19:36.16 | valdyn | kexman: every new ubuntu release is a new fork of debian, that's somewhat special |
| 19:36.19 | kexman | pihhan, i might not be an ubuntu user :) |
| 19:36.19 | abrotman | PF: is sshd installed ? |
| 19:36.24 | kexman | i come from gentoo |
| 19:36.26 | abrotman | valdyn: not just a fork |
| 19:36.32 | PF | Oooo, I need to check |
| 19:36.33 | kexman | valdyn, i see |
| 19:36.34 | PF | danke |
| 19:36.45 | abrotman | PF: dpkg -l *ssh* .. it's called openssh-server |
| 19:36.49 | rahul | kexman: a fork of debian unstable, too |
| 19:36.53 | kexman | hehe :)9 |
| 19:36.53 | PF | I beleive that is the issue |
| 19:36.53 | valdyn | abrotman: in which sense? |
| 19:37.08 | kexman | rahul, :) hehe |
| 19:37.13 | rahul | it's forked and then modified... otherwise it's not a fork :) |
| 19:37.13 | kexman | its wasnt me who installed it :) |
| 19:37.15 | kexman | it was some admin |
| 19:37.47 | h3sp4wn | kexman: Well I would advise reading the etch install guide and installing that |
| 19:37.52 | thelostbutler | hello folks, which package provides mod_perl ? |
| 19:37.56 | abrotman | valdyn: they make tons of changes .. i guess i misinterpreted your "fork" as implying a snapshot .. but i should have known that you'd know better :) |
| 19:38.01 | abrotman | !search |
| 19:38.01 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 19:38.07 | kexman | h3sp4wn, the prob is that the system is a samba server too |
| 19:38.10 | valdyn | abrotman: aye |
| 19:38.14 | kexman | the whole network is upside down |
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| 19:38.15 | rahul | a fork is no spoon! |
| 19:38.20 | kexman | i dont even know where to start :) |
| 19:38.21 | abrotman | !spork |
| 19:38.21 | dpkg | i heard spork is an amazing utensil, because it's totally useless as a fork, and totally useless as a spoon, yet everyone has used one before |
| 19:38.22 | rahul | (unless it's a spork!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) |
| 19:38.26 | rahul | :) |
| 19:38.28 | kexman | i would need to figure out first the net |
| 19:38.28 | jelly | there may be spoonery involved |
| 19:38.31 | kexman | then do some reinstalling |
| 19:38.33 | kexman | and documenting |
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| 19:38.55 | jelly | kinky |
| 19:39.03 | rahul | heh.... |
| 19:39.40 | rahul | now THAT's kinky. |
| 19:39.40 | twist | cyis: you still here man? |
| 19:39.42 | kexman | is there any graficon with linux users around the world ? i mean some statistics that show how much % of each linux-distro is used ? |
| 19:39.50 | Rikkimaru2 | I'm trying to copy the program vim into a chroot jail, and if you log into the jail, vim seems to work decently well, except that the key mapping are slightly off. The arrow keys produce the letters 'A','B','C', and 'D' instead of moving around the screen. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 19:40.00 | rahul | kexman: you can get a lot of inaccurate guesses |
| 19:40.04 | valdyn | kexman: there's no way to track this |
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| 19:40.13 | valdyn | kexman: we dont register anywhere |
| 19:40.19 | kexman | i know |
| 19:40.23 | kexman | statistics is a bitch |
| 19:40.23 | pihhan | Rikkimaru, ncurses stuff, terminal settings and like |
| 19:40.28 | rahul | kexman: 90% of linux users use debian, 20% use redhat, and -13% use ubuntu |
| 19:40.35 | kexman | hehh |
| 19:40.38 | rahul | according to my latest estimates. |
| 19:40.52 | kexman | :) so there are more then 100% linux users ? :) |
| 19:40.55 | kexman | or some use both |
| 19:41.01 | rahul | both :) |
| 19:41.01 | kexman | 90%? isnt that a bit too high ? :) |
| 19:41.05 | jelly | note that -13% is the same as +140% |
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| 19:41.13 | kexman | -13 ? :) |
| 19:41.17 | rahul | haha |
| 19:41.20 | jelly | er, |
| 19:41.27 | rahul | kexman: ask a useless question, get a useless answer ;) |
| 19:41.28 | abrotman | kexman: there are votes .. and stats at distrowatch .. but they're all skewed |
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| 19:41.40 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.48 | kexman | so what do you think about gentoo ? |
| 19:41.49 | bkw__ | rtc: lost some interrupts at 512Hz. Does that mean that the kernel should be compiled with 512Hz support instead of 256Hz? |
| 19:41.52 | kexman | i like that |
| 19:41.57 | valdyn | kexman: netcraft is the best stat source i know, and its a really bad one too |
| 19:42.06 | rahul | kexman: it's a great way to contribute to global warming |
| 19:42.06 | kexman | and debian |
| 19:42.11 | kexman | rahul, :)) |
| 19:42.17 | zinx | 100% of debian users use debian |
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| 19:42.34 | rahul | zinx: 101%. I count as two. |
| 19:42.36 | zinx | if you want an accurate percentage for other distros, you'll have to ask in a different channel :D |
| 19:42.39 | kexman | have any of you used PcLinuxOs ? |
| 19:42.51 | kexman | i once saw that on my friends laptop he said that was the best he saw out of the box |
| 19:42.52 | helo | ?% of debian users use 100% debian |
| 19:43.08 | kexman | he is a out of the box guy :) he is into management or economics or whatever ... |
| 19:43.16 | kexman | i asked him ... why doesnt he uses a mac ? :) |
| 19:43.22 | rahul | kexman: if your goal is to never use linux but to always install linux, then that matters |
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| 19:43.53 | jelly | kexman: note that this is more of a support channel for a specific distro... so you're not going to get very sensible answers about other linux distros |
| 19:43.53 | kexman | 2007-06-21 Distribution Release: White Box Enterprise Linux 4 Respin 2 |
| 19:43.55 | kexman | hehh :) |
| 19:43.55 | Gigantic | helo: ?% of the present do care |
| 19:44.06 | twist | !seen cyis |
| 19:44.07 | dpkg | cyis <n=jbouse@debian/developer/jbouse> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 29m 53s ago, saying: 'pihhan: that sounds like the death throws of a harddrive :)'. |
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| 19:44.07 | Jerom457 | Haven't Seen cyis |
| 19:44.09 | kexman | well you should be realistic :) |
| 19:44.13 | abrotman | kexman: this channel |
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| 19:44.16 | abrotman | Jerom457: die |
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| 19:44.25 | rahul | abrotman: der |
| 19:44.25 | helo | Gigantic: you can die too |
| 19:44.32 | abrotman | !ops Jerom457 is responding to ! in channel |
| 19:44.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: Jerom457 is responding to ! in channel |
| 19:44.36 | jelly | !moo |
| 19:44.37 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:44.43 | kexman | man this chan is fast : |
| 19:44.48 | Rikkimaru2 | pihhan, i copied over the ncurses library that was a dependency for vim (via 'ldd /usr/bin/vim') is that all I'd have to do for that or is there more? |
| 19:44.49 | kexman | can barely keep up the pace :) |
| 19:44.57 | rahul | kexman: it's slower than it has been in the past |
| 19:44.59 | Gigantic | kexman: you've seen nothin... |
| 19:45.04 | azeem | Jerom457: are you a bot? |
| 19:45.05 | kexman | hehh |
| 19:45.10 | kexman | prolly not at the peek hour ? :) |
| 19:45.23 | rahul | Rikkimaru2: you need the terminfo files |
| 19:45.26 | kexman | which is that ? :) utc :P |
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| 19:45.32 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@IGLD-83-130-70-57.inter.net.il] by azeem |
| 19:45.32 | rahul | !debstats |
| 19:45.32 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 19:45.32 | dpkg | from memory, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 19:45.37 | twist | !seen twist |
| 19:45.37 | dpkg | twist is currently on #debian (7h 26m 31s). Has said a total of 194 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen twist'. |
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| 19:45.43 | stew | i'd guess its not a but, but with someone that has a 'seen' script |
| 19:45.47 | stew | ^but^bot |
| 19:45.50 | azeem | Jerom457: please remove that script, /msg me privately if you want to get unbanned |
| 19:45.52 | helo | when linking this app, i get a warning that libstdc++5 needed by libfbclient.so.1 may conflict with libstdc++6... could this cause serious issues? |
| 19:46.05 | zinx | helo: Yes. |
| 19:46.10 | Rikkimaru2 | rahul, I copied over the /etc/terminfo directory |
| 19:46.20 | pihhan | Rikkimaru2, you need settings like /etc/termcap or /etc/terminfo i think |
| 19:46.21 | valdyn | helo: 'may' ? |
| 19:46.29 | valdyn | helo: either it conflicts or it does not. |
| 19:46.30 | helo | zinx: like unpredictable segfaults when using i/o routines, etc? |
| 19:46.41 | twist | azeem: can that bot dilever messages? |
| 19:46.46 | jelly | helo: use the same libstdc++ as your libraries do, or else there be pain |
| 19:46.47 | helo | valdyn: i didn't write the warning haha |
| 19:46.51 | azeem | twist: hrm? |
| 19:46.51 | zinx | helo: that's certainly a possibility |
| 19:46.52 | Gigantic | !seen my keys ? |
| 19:46.52 | dpkg | Gigantic: i haven't seen 'my keys ' |
| 19:46.53 | valdyn | helo: and debian package management does this for you this for you. |
| 19:46.56 | Rikkimaru2 | pihhan, there isn't a /etc/termcap directory on the non-jailed server, so i can't copy that :/ |
| 19:47.01 | Gigantic | :p |
| 19:47.06 | Rikkimaru2 | pihhan, what kind of terminal settings are there I might need? |
| 19:47.26 | rahul | /usr/share/terminfo |
| 19:47.27 | helo | valdyn: the libfbclient supplied by debian is very very old, so i had to install one from the firebird people |
| 19:47.29 | twist | azeem: For instance: can i ask it to send a message to someone after they're back from being idle? |
| 19:47.45 | azeem | twist: who is "it"? |
| 19:47.57 | valdyn | helo: a binary? |
| 19:48.00 | twist | azeem: the bot |
| 19:48.01 | Gigantic | twist: you can but don't abuse |
| 19:48.02 | rahul | and /lib/terminfo |
| 19:48.05 | pihhan | Rikkimaru2, i dont know really, never need to bother with that |
| 19:48.12 | rahul | why not use dpkg to manage the chroot? |
| 19:48.20 | valdyn | helo: if it was a binary, just use ldd... |
| 19:48.24 | twist | Gigantic: Whats the command? |
| 19:48.25 | Gigantic | twist: it is anoying to enter the channel and get dpkg telling you a lot of stuff |
| 19:48.30 | Rikkimaru2 | rahul, I'm not familiar with using that :( |
| 19:48.31 | twist | Gigantic: Whats the command? |
| 19:48.33 | helo | valdyn: yeah |
| 19:49.00 | twist | Gigantic: sorry |
| 19:49.00 | valdyn | helo: it may link against the wrong library - that is all, that is also easy to fix |
| 19:49.00 | rahul | Rikkimaru2: you're in #debian... |
| 19:49.00 | twist | Gigantic: double tapped |
| 19:49.00 | azeem | twist: why do you ask me? |
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| 19:49.00 | twist | Gigantic: I need to get a message to cyris abour some drivers |
| 19:49.11 | Gigantic | twist: !tell ---> But I must double warn you against abuse |
| 19:49.18 | twist | azeem: thought you where an admin |
| 19:49.22 | Rikkimaru2 | rahul, right.., but are you suggesting i compile vim from source within the jail? |
| 19:49.29 | azeem | twist: not a bot admin, anyway |
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| 19:49.44 | twist | Gigantic: ok i understand |
| 19:49.51 | rahul | Rikkimaru2: ... I said dpkg. |
| 19:50.15 | twist | !tell cyris pm me please Twist |
| 19:50.28 | Rikkimaru2 | rahul, so.. get the package for vim and unpack it using dpkg, |
| 19:50.35 | twist | !tell cyis pm me please Twist |
| 19:50.36 | Rikkimaru2 | rahul, but how do i do that within the jail instead of the entire server? |
| 19:50.42 | twist | cant even spell today |
| 19:50.55 | rahul | Rikkimaru2: man dpkg |
| 19:51.01 | shwag | dpkg --get-selections what is deinstall ? |
| 19:51.03 | dpkg | shwag: what are you talking about? |
| 19:51.13 | Gigantic | :) |
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| 19:51.22 | rahul | shwag: it means you want to uninstall the package |
| 19:51.25 | twist | Gigantic: invalid target? |
| 19:51.27 | twist | hm |
| 19:51.34 | shwag | rahul: but o packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 19:51.34 | shwag | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 19:51.40 | shwag | rahul: its already uninstalled. |
| 19:51.43 | rahul | shwag: well, you want dselect to uninstall it |
| 19:51.47 | aldin | i downloaded unrar, and i get this message: ./unrar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./unrar) |
| 19:51.59 | rahul | shwag: right, so your current state and target state are the same |
| 19:52.00 | aldin | in which package can i find that? |
| 19:52.01 | Gigantic | twist: There's a reason |
| 19:52.12 | shwag | rahul: it is uninstalled. Why is it still in my package list still show it with deinstall ? |
| 19:52.22 | rahul | shwag: because you don't want to install it |
| 19:52.22 | helo | valdyn: so as long as ldd shows it is linked to the right library, i shouldn't have to worry about some cout/etc calls going through libstdc++5, and others 6? i'm assuming the warning means libfbclient.so was linked with libstdc++5, so when i link it in with my app, there are symbols for both libstdc++5 and 6... |
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| 19:52.55 | shwag | rahul: dpkg -l still shows it on my system. |
| 19:52.58 | twist | Gigantic: Ah i see its not a msg service more like a dictonary.. ok thanks anyway |
| 19:53.03 | unfo | helo, custom app right? |
| 19:53.06 | rahul | shwag: yes. it does. |
| 19:53.08 | helo | unfo: yeah |
| 19:53.10 | rahul | shwag: and it should. |
| 19:53.11 | unfo | hmmmm |
| 19:53.17 | jelly | aldin: probably in a version of libc6 nigher than 2.4 ... and since it's a crucial piece of the system, you probably don't want to upgrade it |
| 19:53.39 | unfo | helo, can you describe your build system in as much detail as possible please |
| 19:53.41 | Gigantic | twist: are the factoids but... |
| 19:53.45 | helo | ldd gives "libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x0019e000)" and "libstdc++.so.5 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 (0x00395000)" |
| 19:53.57 | valdyn | helo: when 'you link it' ? are you trying to compile code against this? |
| 19:54.02 | unfo | helo, also, do you have a full-time build employee? |
| 19:54.16 | aldin | jelly how do i unrar then? i got some matherials in .rar format |
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| 19:54.35 | jelly | aldin: install rar or unrar package from Debian's non-free section |
| 19:54.42 | shwag | rahul: i dont get it |
| 19:54.48 | valdyn | helo: getting a random binary off somewhere and starting developing against this sounds like a horrible idea.. |
| 19:54.52 | helo | unfo: we have 3 programmers, that's all... we handle all the tech support/installs/bugs/kickedpowercables/builds/testing... poorly :P |
| 19:54.54 | shwag | rahul: im used to dpkg -l showing everything that is installed on my system. |
| 19:55.02 | shwag | rahul: if something is uninstalled already, why would it list it still ? |
| 19:55.17 | kexman | how old is debian ? |
| 19:55.31 | valdyn | helo: cant you recompile this against a modern libstdc++ ? |
| 19:55.43 | aldin | jelly ok |
| 19:55.49 | valdyn | !bo |
| 19:55.49 | dpkg | methinks bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 19:55.55 | valdyn | !rex |
| 19:55.55 | dpkg | from memory, rex is the codename for Debian 1.2, released mid-Dec 1996 |
| 19:56.08 | unfo | kexman, debian is updated every day. |
| 19:56.18 | kexman | unfo, when was debian born then :) |
| 19:56.32 | twist | anyone know anything about getting a nvidia 8600 gts to work in etchy? |
| 19:56.50 | aldin | kexman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LinuxDistroTimeline.png |
| 19:56.57 | bkw__ | dpkg: where is CONFIG_HIGHMEM found? |
| 19:56.58 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, bkw__ |
| 19:57.04 | bkw__ | blah |
| 19:57.11 | aldin | kexman: bigfer picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LinuxDistroTimeline.png |
| 19:57.12 | helo | valdyn: firebird devs don't provide much support for anyone but gentoo users to compile their stuff... i can, but i don't know if it will be very reliable... its starting to look like linking libstdc++5 and libstdc++6 together in the same binary may be worse than compiling firebird on my own |
| 19:57.22 | aldin | pardon.. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/LinuxDistroTimeline.png |
| 19:57.25 | h3sp4wn | twist: /msg dpkg simple sid backport (or check backports.org) you need 9755+ (not sure though) 100.x would definately work |
| 19:57.33 | valdyn | helo: it wont work at all |
| 19:57.38 | h3sp4wn | twist: source package is nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 19:57.39 | valdyn | helo: it wont only 'work bad' |
| 19:57.58 | jelly | bkw__: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:57.58 | rahul | shwag: because it's in the package DB |
| 19:57.58 | twist | h3sp4wn: how would i install a backport? |
| 19:57.59 | PF | !do you have an opinion on Irans president? |
| 19:58.05 | unfo | helo, who wrote your makefiles? |
| 19:58.05 | rahul | shwag: purge it if you want to remove ALL traces |
| 19:58.05 | PF | hahahah |
| 19:58.19 | h3sp4wn | twist: dpkg -i |
| 19:58.31 | valdyn | helo: why would you use firebird for your project when support is bad? |
| 19:58.37 | bkw__ | jelly: whereis 64G support checkbox found in menuconfig? |
| 19:58.45 | twist | ok im really lost :( |
| 19:58.50 | valdyn | helo: same for libfbclient |
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| 19:59.14 | kexman | 1993 ? |
| 19:59.23 | jelly | bkw__: menuconfig has search. |
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| 19:59.34 | jelly | bkw__: press / |
| 19:59.40 | unfo | helo, we need more info about your project. Can you tell us what it does and what external software it uses in 512 bytes or less please? |
| 19:59.52 | bkw__ | jelly: ah, is that a new feature? |
| 20:00.15 | jelly | bkw__: and type in, say, 64G. Dunno how new it is, found it in 2.6.20 the other day |
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| 20:01.00 | helo | valdyn: not my decision... nothing done before i got here was thought out at all... heh |
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| 20:01.17 | valdyn | helo: 'not thoght out at all' is an euphemism |
| 20:01.21 | helo | it is a great dbms, just not very popular compared to the other |
| 20:01.34 | bkw__ | jelly: I get Symbol: HIGHMEM64G [=HIGHMEM64G] but where is it found? |
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| 20:01.58 | valdyn | helo: get the libraries in your project into a somewhat modern state, all linking against modern libc6 and libstdc++ etc |
| 20:02.09 | helo | valdyn: i bet the reasoning was "interbase has been around for a long time, so because interbase became firebird, lets use firebird" |
| 20:02.30 | jelly | bkw__: ah, interesting. I also have Location: > Processor type and features -> High Memory Support (<choice> [=y]) |
| 20:02.32 | helo | unfo: i think i'm just going to recompile libfbclient to use libstdc++6 |
| 20:02.41 | valdyn | helo: right, im not critisizing that necessarily, but you need to recompile things yourself then |
| 20:02.43 | unfo | helo, why??? |
| 20:02.53 | jelly | bkw__: this is on 2.6.21 source |
| 20:02.57 | valdyn | helo: unsupported binary only software is not usable for this |
| 20:03.14 | abrotman | valdyn: are you in the devel channel on oftc ? |
| 20:03.21 | valdyn | abrotman: no |
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| 20:03.24 | grendal_prime | stew: you ever use grub-reboot? |
| 20:03.25 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
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| 20:03.42 | valdyn | abrotman: he's already being flame there? |
| 20:03.47 | grendal_prime | that question if for anyone really |
| 20:03.51 | helo | unfo: it will likely get rid of the warning and all related issues |
| 20:03.52 | grendal_prime | grub reboot |
| 20:03.55 | jelly | abrotman: you have a bicycle? |
| 20:03.57 | grendal_prime | grum-reboot |
| 20:04.00 | grendal_prime | damn it |
| 20:04.10 | abrotman | no .. i just thought they might want to tell whomever is repsonsible for the DSA RSS that something broke |
| 20:04.18 | unfo | helo, what debian firebird packages are you using? |
| 20:04.20 | grendal_prime | grub-reboot thats how its spelled |
| 20:04.20 | abrotman | jelly: yes .. yesterday i did about 30 miles in two hours |
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| 20:04.46 | jelly | abrotman: yes, I see you like cycling :-) (ba-dam pssssch) |
| 20:04.51 | abrotman | heh |
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| 20:05.22 | bkw__ | jelly: where in Processor type and features ---> do you find it? |
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| 20:05.37 | bkw__ | jelly: I'm in 2.6.21.5 menuconfig |
| 20:05.40 | benbread | Hey, i was installing a .deb package and now apt is reporting broken packages and wont allow me to make any more changes - is there a way i can tell dpkg to ignore this, as it doesn't seem to be causing any problems, just reporting broken and stopping me installing stuff until fixed (apt-get -f install doesn't work) thanks :( |
| 20:06.12 | helo | unfo: the debian packages are very old... they are from firebird 1.5... fb2.0 came out november 2006 and gives significantly better performance, so we installed from the binary packages on firebird's website to avoid making compilation mistakes with such a complicated system |
| 20:06.36 | jelly | bkw__: "High Memory Support", just like it says above |
| 20:06.46 | unfo | helo, use debian's packages please |
| 20:06.53 | abrotman | benbread: apt-get -f install |
| 20:07.00 | abrotman | or aptitude |
| 20:07.02 | jelly | bkw__: you may have to choose an adequate processor first, dunno |
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| 20:07.10 | bkw__ | jelly: how comes I can't find it.. |
| 20:07.21 | unfo | helo, if you want, try to get the new upstream packages into debian. Ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:07.29 | benbread | abrotman: Yeah, apt-get -f install doesn't fix it |
| 20:07.31 | unfo | helo, it's a lot of work though. |
| 20:07.47 | abrotman | benbread: paste the error somewhere |
| 20:07.55 | jelly | bkw__: I have 2.6.21.1 vanilla, but that option has been there a long time. |
| 20:08.21 | twist | h3sp4wn: ive updated my sources.list and done an apt-get update |
| 20:08.25 | bkw__ | jelly: (X) AMD-Opteron/Athlon64 |
| 20:08.29 | twist | h3sp4wn: what now? |
| 20:08.30 | helo | unfo: compounded by the fact that the package name for firebird is "firebird2" (becaues of the naming conflict with firebird the web broswser, now firefox)... so firebird2 installs firebird 1.5 heh |
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| 20:08.58 | jelly | !info firebird2.0-super lenny |
| 20:09.00 | dpkg | firebird2.0-super: (Firebird Super Server - an RDBMS based on InterBase 6.0 code), section misc, is optional. Version: 2.0.1.12855.ds1-7 (lenny), Packaged size: 2706 kB, Installed size: 6007 kB |
| 20:09.14 | unfo | helo, tried the firebird2.0-super packages? |
| 20:09.15 | JarJarBinks | !info iceweasel |
| 20:09.18 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7943 kB, Installed size: 25112 kB |
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| 20:10.26 | jelly | bkw__: duh, it's a 64bit cpu so it has no need to use PAE (a paging feature to use 64GB on some P4/Athlon 32bit cpus) |
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| 20:10.34 | benbread | abrotman: Here's the apt-get -f install paste: http://pastebin.ca/581988 |
| 20:10.36 | twist | h3sp4wn: ive updated my sources.list and done an apt-get update |
| 20:10.39 | twist | h3sp4wn: what now? |
| 20:10.52 | jelly | bkw__: ie. you already have support for lots of memory then. |
| 20:11.10 | JarJarBinks | twist: apt-get upgrade ? |
| 20:11.27 | twist | JarJarBinks: ok will try |
| 20:11.27 | helo | unfo: in apt repositories? |
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| 20:12.04 | abrotman | benbread: what are you triyng to install .. libc6 ? |
| 20:12.10 | JarJarBinks | twist: don't know what your initial question was |
| 20:12.18 | jelly | helo: looks like newer firebird is in testing/unstable. If you're using stable, may may want to check out backports.org for backports, or do a backport yourself. |
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| 20:12.43 | helo | ahhh... that sounds like a good plan |
| 20:12.48 | twist | JarJarBinks: Dude, ive been try for like 7 hr to get nvidia drivers to work with my 8600 |
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| 20:13.08 | Gigantic | jelly: Well, the fact of being 64 does not necesarily mean it has PAE |
| 20:13.13 | JarJarBinks | twist: tough luck.. I've just logged on 5 min ago |
| 20:13.15 | benbread | abrotman: i was installing libdvdcss2 from a .deb and it did that (presumably autoinstalling libc6) |
| 20:13.32 | jelly | Gigantic: it doesn't _need_ pae |
| 20:13.33 | Gigantic | jelly: unless it is included in the kernel 64 by default, which I dunno |
| 20:13.36 | twist | JarJarBinks: heh np dude :P |
| 20:13.37 | abrotman | benbread: you can get libdvdcss from debian-multimedia.org .. and it won't f'up your system |
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| 20:13.47 | Gigantic | jellyo.O |
| 20:14.30 | benbread | abrotman: thanks :) any ideas about how to resolve this problem? |
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| 20:16.06 | Gigantic | jelly: ah, right... we learn something new everyday... |
| 20:16.13 | jelly | Gigantic: well, at least in 64bit mode it doesn't. I still see it as an option when building 2.6.21.1 on a 32 bit installation (with gcc for i386+) |
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| 20:16.46 | Gigantic | *nods |
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| 20:17.10 | teclo | what's again that package that shows uhhh performance in X ? |
| 20:17.15 | teclo | not xsysinfo |
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| 20:17.19 | teclo | perfsomething |
| 20:17.22 | thingfish | glxgears? |
| 20:17.25 | thingfish | oh nm |
| 20:17.41 | teclo | no no, system performance |
| 20:17.44 | renewbie | hi all, I just dist-upgrade'ed my sarge and screwed X |
| 20:17.47 | wols | teclo: xbench? |
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| 20:17.58 | teclo | not test if your proprietary nvidia modules are right |
| 20:18.11 | Danielss89 | hi i have this error in my mail.err... "Authdaemond: failed to connect to mysqlserver (server=localhost., unknown host)"... so its seems like theres a dot to much.. |
| 20:18.20 | Danielss89 | but in which file can i edit this? |
| 20:18.26 | unfo | helo, do you know how to upgrade to testing? |
| 20:18.31 | renewbie | I am finding it hard to fix X now, I am getting error configuring touchpad, how can I do it? |
| 20:18.32 | dimir | Moin! |
| 20:18.56 | renewbie | I can't find any /dev referring to mouse |
| 20:19.00 | helo | unfo: i've done it many times in the past... etch is the first stable distro i've been satisfied enough with to use for more than a few weeks |
| 20:19.03 | abrotman | benbread: dpkg -P libdvdcss2 |
| 20:19.03 | renewbie | is there a way to find it? |
| 20:19.07 | helo | 'stable release' |
| 20:19.12 | abrotman | renewbie: modprobe psmouse ? |
| 20:19.13 | xen_masta | Okay, I'm trying to install etch on a RAID1 with an ext3 /boot partition and swap and root existing in LVM. When I try to do this through the etch installer, grub fails to install. thoughts? |
| 20:19.19 | abrotman | renewbie: /dev/input/mice |
| 20:19.29 | jelly | renewbie: where are you looking? /dev/input/* or somewhere else? |
| 20:19.29 | unfo | helo, use testing. It's less stable but then you can use Debian-made firebird packages. |
| 20:19.29 | renewbie | abortman it is there |
| 20:19.34 | teclo | hmmm it might have been called perfmon |
| 20:19.39 | teclo | in sarge |
| 20:19.40 | renewbie | but didn't work |
| 20:19.47 | teclo | !findpackage perfmon or something |
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| 20:19.51 | jelly | !tell teclo -about search |
| 20:19.54 | helo | perfmon is a windows program |
| 20:20.00 | ruser____ | !tell unfo etch->lenny |
| 20:20.01 | teclo | helo: ah ? |
| 20:20.14 | abrotman | renewbie: WHAT didn't work? |
| 20:20.50 | teclo | well I did apt-cache search perfmon a bunch of time |
| 20:20.50 | abrotman | renewbie: are you also using gpm ? |
| 20:20.50 | renewbie | abrotman: /dev/input/mice |
| 20:20.50 | shidan | Hi we are trying to set up an apt repository but I get the following error |
| 20:20.50 | abrotman | renewbie: i got that :) |
| 20:20.56 | abrotman | renewbie: is it a usb mouse or ps2? |
| 20:21.03 | jelly | touchpad |
| 20:21.08 | abrotman | you stay away! |
| 20:21.08 | shidan | dpkg works |
| 20:21.09 | dpkg | works is probably something I am |
| 20:21.24 | unfo | !tell helo etch->lenny |
| 20:21.25 | jelly | well it's not a mouse :-P |
| 20:21.26 | renewbie | jelly: modprobe returned nothing |
| 20:21.27 | teclo | xperf or something |
| 20:21.32 | teclo | not xloadmeter |
| 20:21.36 | abrotman | renewbie: echo psmouse >> /etc/modules && modprobe psmouse ... and the ">>" is VERY important |
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| 20:21.45 | twist | h3sp4wn: you still here? |
| 20:21.45 | unfo | helo, good luck. |
| 20:21.45 | renewbie | abrotman: I have touchpad and a usb both |
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| 20:21.50 | jelly | renewbie: does /dev/input exist at all? |
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| 20:22.21 | shidan | any ideas what could be causing the error |
| 20:22.41 | shidan | seems like it doesnt like underscores in the package name |
| 20:22.45 | twist | can anyone teach me how to use backports? |
| 20:22.47 | renewbie | jelly: yes it does and it has event0 - event3, mice, mouse1 - mouse4 |
| 20:22.53 | abrotman | twist: the instructions are on the site |
| 20:23.06 | jelly | shidan: you didn't actually paste the error. |
| 20:23.07 | abrotman | renewbie: please try what i said |
| 20:23.15 | shidan | oh here it is /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci.preinst: 129 Syntax error: word unexpected ( expecting "do" ) |
| 20:23.27 | abrotman | darn words! |
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| 20:23.29 | jelly | shidan: pastebin the command you're trying to run and the _whole_ output |
| 20:23.36 | ruser____ | why does debian installer disallows underscores in username, i.e. a_sampleuser |
| 20:23.43 | renewbie | abrotman: nothing agains with modprobe |
| 20:23.53 | abrotman | renewbie: modprobe won't return anything |
| 20:23.54 | shidan | k thanks jelly i will |
| 20:23.56 | renewbie | agains/again |
| 20:23.58 | abrotman | renewbie: dmesg | grep mouse |
| 20:24.00 | twist | abrotman: yeah ive done that, but theres a dir of stuff for nvidia drivers and idk witch to apt-get, plus people where talking about 100.xx.xx or somthing? |
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| 20:24.11 | Danielss89 | hi i have this error in my mail.err... "Authdaemond: failed to connect to mysqlserver (server=localhost., unknown host)"... so its seems like theres a dot to much.. |
| 20:24.14 | abrotman | twist: i don't konw a damn thing about nvidia drivers |
| 20:24.14 | Danielss89 | but in which file can i edit this? |
| 20:24.19 | renewbie | abrotman: nothing |
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| 20:24.32 | wols | Danielss89: in your client |
| 20:24.33 | blinx | hm |
| 20:24.42 | Danielss89 | wols in which file :P |
| 20:24.43 | twist | Ah :( |
| 20:24.45 | jelly | shidan: gross, that looks like an error in package installation scripts. Are you using any unofficial packages? |
| 20:24.50 | renewbie | abrotman: however dmesg tells me that it can detect usb mouse when I plug it in |
| 20:24.52 | Supaplex | Danielss89: localhost != localhost. (see the dot?) |
| 20:24.59 | blinx | the udev rule RUN+="mount /dev/... /media/.." doesn't work |
| 20:25.08 | shidan | ya we are packaging our stuff for debian |
| 20:25.11 | blinx | but the device name is created in /dev |
| 20:25.17 | Danielss89 | yeah Supaplex i know that's the error, but i dont know in which file i can edit it :D |
| 20:25.17 | helo | also: http://perfmon.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:25.20 | stew | grendal_prime: yes, and grub-set-default ; we have a factoid |
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| 20:25.46 | jelly | shidan: blame whoever wrote the breaking preinst |
| 20:25.47 | shidan | so we are using alot of unofficial packages that we all created |
| 20:25.48 | renewbie | it all was working in sarge till this morning |
| 20:26.01 | Supaplex | Danielss89: mail.err? what's running your mail? sendmail? postfix? exim? some hackishly ugly bash shell scripts from 1991? |
| 20:26.07 | shidan | ok thanks jelly |
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| 20:26.15 | Danielss89 | Supaplex postfix.. |
| 20:26.17 | Danielss89 | :D |
| 20:26.24 | helo | lets have a ball and a biscuit |
| 20:26.40 | Supaplex | Danielss89: grep -ri --color localhost. /etc/postfix/ |
| 20:26.46 | renewbie | when I unplug and plug usb mouse, dmesg says "usb1-2: new low speed USB device using address 6" |
| 20:27.05 | Danielss89 | hmm |
| 20:27.07 | jelly | shidan: btw, a simple way to debug a #!/bin/sh installation script is to add set -x on the second line. |
| 20:27.10 | twist | anyone in here got nvidia drivers working with an 8600 gts? please help :( |
| 20:27.28 | Danielss89 | ./etc/postfix/main.cf:mydestination = mcjea.dk, localhost, localhost.localdomain <--- Supaplex it seems like it cant use localhost.localdomain |
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| 20:28.05 | renewbie | I also tried booting in old kernel (sarge one) and it started into X but there too now mouse is not working |
| 20:28.06 | Supaplex | Danielss89: mysql's definition of "localhost" is unix socket. anything else uses dns. |
| 20:28.18 | CharminTheMoose | hey helo |
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| 20:28.35 | shidan | jelly: Ill let our packager know and Ive asked him to come in this room himself, thanks for the help! |
| 20:28.57 | Supaplex | Danielss89: but that's not the right line. mydestination doesn't apply. |
| 20:29.07 | Supaplex | Danielss89: maybe it's in sasl. |
| 20:29.14 | renewbie | and since no mouse is found itch says default pointer device not found and dies on me |
| 20:29.48 | Danielss89 | Supaplex in sasl its using the ip 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:29.54 | twist | anyone in here got nvidia drivers working with an 8600 gts? please help :( |
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| 20:30.06 | jelly | !tell twist -about repeat |
| 20:30.20 | Supaplex | Danielss89: the line you posted was about authdaemond. are you using courier? |
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| 20:30.48 | Danielss89 | yes Supaplex |
| 20:30.48 | twist | ok im sorry, kinda frustrating after 7 hrs. |
| 20:31.02 | benbread | abrotman: Just found your message, no fix i'm afraid |
| 20:31.02 | PF | Is "http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib" buggered? I'm getting this message when I update -> Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages |
| 20:31.06 | PF | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.39 | benbread | abrotman: I was thinking about switching to kubuntu, so i think i'll just do that and save the hassle |
| 20:31.44 | benbread | Thanks for your help :) |
| 20:33.01 | Danielss89 | is it another file then Supaplex? |
| 20:33.42 | Supaplex | Danielss89: I think it's in courier/authmysqlrc |
| 20:33.51 | Zee1ot | could someone help me install the nvidia video drivers on lenny? |
| 20:33.56 | Supaplex | grep -rilF localhost. /etc/courier |
| 20:34.02 | kexman | http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C23599%2C21948718-1702%2C00.html OMG :) pentagon hacked :) |
| 20:34.10 | Danielss89 | nothing Sub-Zero2 |
| 20:34.19 | Danielss89 | nothing Supaplex |
| 20:34.21 | xand | if I open rxvt and run vim, I get one set of colors... if I open rxvt, do ssh localhost, and then run vim, I get different colors... why? |
| 20:35.13 | renewbie | abrotman: modprobe usbmouse wored |
| 20:35.54 | renewbie | abrotman: but how do I find which /dev it is using? |
| 20:35.58 | Supaplex | xand: compare your env. I bet $TERM differs (or maybe aliases). .bash* issue? (xterms started don't always use that, unless it's part of .xinitrc) |
| 20:36.36 | Supaplex | Danielss89: try grep --color -riF localhost. /etc/ 2>/dev/null |
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| 20:36.54 | xand | $TERM is the same and erm |
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| 20:37.19 | renewbie | ok file /dev/input/mouse0 it seems is what I want |
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| 20:37.42 | c_cinq | hello |
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| 20:38.01 | c_cinq | how can manual change my timezone? |
| 20:38.02 | Danielss89 | Supaplex |
| 20:38.11 | Supaplex | Danielss89: what. |
| 20:38.18 | Danielss89 | ./etc/dcc/whiteclnt:# substitute helo localhost.com |
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| 20:38.34 | xen_masta | Okay, I'm trying to install etch on a RAID1 with an ext3 /boot partition and swap and root existing in LVM. When I try to do this through the etch installer, grub fails to install. thoughts? |
| 20:38.35 | Danielss89 | and Supaplex: /etc/dcc/whiteclnt:# substitute helo localhost.localdomain |
| 20:38.38 | Supaplex | Danielss89: that's not it. |
| 20:38.47 | Danielss89 | thats the only 2 that i get |
| 20:38.54 | Zee1ot | is there a guide for installing nvidia drivers on lenny? http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers <- none of that seems to work like it does on etch |
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| 20:39.15 | Supaplex | Zee1ot: is there anything in bts? |
| 20:39.28 | Zee1ot | ? |
| 20:39.32 | Supaplex | Danielss89: is this chrooted somehow? |
| 20:39.45 | Supaplex | Zee1ot: you're using testing, and you don't know what bts is? tsk tsk :) |
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| 20:39.55 | Supaplex | !tell Zee1ot -about bts |
| 20:40.01 | Danielss89 | Supaplex i dont know |
| 20:40.10 | Danielss89 | im doing the command as root |
| 20:40.10 | infernix | if i boot with noapic, does that stop SMP from working? |
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| 20:40.15 | jelly | xand: are you sshing to the same machine, or a different one? |
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| 20:40.50 | xand | jelly: the same... I found the answer; :set background={light,dark} |
| 20:40.57 | Supaplex | Danielss89: man chroot (chroot and root are not the same). anyhow, maybe #postfix or #courier, or their mailing lists have answers. I'd google for authdaemond and part of the error message |
| 20:41.03 | Danielss89 | ive followed this guide Supaplex http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_users_and_domains_with_postfix_debian_etch |
| 20:41.04 | Zee1ot | ummm...ok |
| 20:41.52 | Zee1ot | don't think there is anything in bts |
| 20:42.42 | abrotman | renewbie: which kernel are you on ? |
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| 20:43.06 | Supaplex | Zee1ot: what's the last version that worked for you? |
| 20:43.46 | Zee1ot | etch worked |
| 20:44.10 | Zee1ot | its not that its not working...its not finding half the packages |
| 20:44.17 | Zee1ot | its not crashing or anything |
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| 20:44.25 | Supaplex | what packages are missing? |
| 20:44.30 | Zee1ot | 1 sec |
| 20:44.33 | Supaplex | !tell Zee1ot -about sources.list |
| 20:44.41 | Supaplex | you might be better off sticking with etch. |
| 20:44.42 | blinx | udev or directly with UUIDs in my fstab ? |
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| 20:44.51 | shwag | with ssh keys, I can ssh from server A to B or A to C but I cant go from A to B to C. A has my private key. How can I get from A to B to C ? |
| 20:44.57 | blinx | I want to automount each usb stick and my external hdd |
| 20:45.03 | dondelelcaro | shwag: with ssh-agent. |
| 20:45.11 | Supaplex | shwag: and ssh-add |
| 20:45.19 | Zee1ot | I have the default sources.list, should I have etch entries in there or just lenny? |
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| 20:45.43 | Supaplex | shwag: oh, and man ssh, esp the -a and -A switches (there may be more, but i don't recall) |
| 20:45.46 | shwag | dondelelcaro: ssh-agent is already running by default with seahorse installed |
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| 20:46.06 | dondelelcaro | shwag: yes, but you may not be forwarding that information to B |
| 20:46.08 | Zee1ot | nvidia-kernel-common isnt there |
| 20:46.29 | Supaplex | shwag: ssh-add -l |
| 20:46.35 | Zee1ot | nvidia-glx too |
| 20:46.44 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: do you know who does the DSA RSS feeds? |
| 20:46.54 | Thorrn4 | hello, Im having a problem remove a flash drive, I added some files to it and now it says it cant be removed because other programs are using it: init, udevd, portmap, cupsd, acpid, and some others. ALSO, the unmount command doesnt work - not found |
| 20:46.59 | shwag | Supaplex: but I can Get to B and C because they have my public key. I just cant get from B TO C. |
| 20:47.19 | abrotman | ah .. i guess the body is there .. just the subject is borked |
| 20:47.20 | shwag | dondelelcaro: yah...well that is the issue. How to get it to forward. |
| 20:47.22 | Zee1ot | so anything? |
| 20:47.33 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: which one? |
| 20:47.35 | shwag | ssh -A host same result. |
| 20:47.44 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: the last two .. 1315 and 1316 |
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| 20:47.55 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: my subject came as "DSA-- - denial of service" for both |
| 20:48.04 | abrotman | (not both DoS bugs) |
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| 20:48.57 | TheInfinity | hmm ... one question ... the maildrop package in debian 3.1 ... is it able to use the mysql authdaemon? |
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| 20:49.07 | mickky_ | hi |
| 20:49.21 | Zee1ot | =( |
| 20:49.24 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: admittedly .. could have been my reader |
| 20:49.27 | Supaplex | shwag: if ssh-add -l shows your keys, ssh -A from host to host to host. |
| 20:49.30 | foom | hum, why is there a bot msging me about free porno videos when I join this channel? |
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| 20:49.36 | abrotman | foom: which ? |
| 20:49.38 | Zee1ot | should I add etch entries to my sources.list? |
| 20:49.48 | Supaplex | Zee1ot: some of those you have to build, right? |
| 20:49.54 | mickky_ | what comand have i use to know where are mounted an file?? |
| 20:50.02 | dondelelcaro | shwag: you want to use ssh -A; |
| 20:50.08 | dondelelcaro | shwag: man ssh; for details. |
| 20:50.09 | Zee1ot | Supaplex dont think so |
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| 20:50.14 | abrotman | foom: ? |
| 20:50.18 | shwag | dondelelcaro: i tried -A |
| 20:50.24 | shwag | dondelelcaro: same result |
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| 20:50.38 | Supaplex | shwag: stupid question first. is the key listed in ssh-add -l before you ssh -A ? |
| 20:50.45 | shwag | Supaplex: ssh-add -l shows keys on my desktop |
| 20:51.05 | Supaplex | shwag: and after you ssh -A to the next host, does ssh-add -l still show them? |
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| 20:51.17 | dogmeat | is an md5sum considered a digest or just a hash? |
| 20:51.19 | abrotman | foom: was it [Baby24] ? |
| 20:51.27 | shwag | Supaplex: no, it doesnt. |
| 20:51.38 | blinx | dogmeat: hash |
| 20:51.44 | shwag | Supaplex: err...i didnt ssh -A to the next host. i only ssh'd |
| 20:51.45 | Supaplex | shwag: try ssh -vvvA |
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| 20:51.57 | Supaplex | shwag: you have to -A to each host. |
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| 20:52.12 | dondelelcaro | shwag: are you running an agent on the remote machine? Do you see the env variables set when you log in? |
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| 20:52.42 | foom | abrotman: yes |
| 20:52.44 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: he didn't use ssh -A that time. |
| 20:52.47 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: could be; I don't read the rss feeds for security stuff |
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| 20:53.46 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: could you kick [Baby24] ? |
| 20:53.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. Does anyone know what package contains libcurl.so.3? I tried apt-file search, no luck |
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| 20:54.26 | Supaplex | !tell Zee1ot -about nvidia_post_etch |
| 20:54.30 | technical | Dark_Apostrophe, is that the library for the perma() function family? |
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| 20:54.31 | Supaplex | Zee1ot: did you follow that before? |
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| 20:54.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | technical: No idea |
| 20:54.44 | Zee1ot | no |
| 20:54.51 | foom | anyways, I had an actual question I wanted to ask. I'm creating a custom debian repo which overrides some of the normal debian packages. I then want to use debootstrap to install this, but it doesn't seem to be able to take two repositories to pull from. Is there some other way to do this? |
| 20:54.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | technical: I just know i need it to run Warsow, a 3D game |
| 20:54.59 | twist | are there any other drivers that i can get x to start up in? |
| 20:55.06 | abrotman | vesa |
| 20:55.09 | technical | Dark_Apostrophe, libcurl, perma(), i was trying to be funny :P |
| 20:55.12 | twist | ok |
| 20:55.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | technical: I'm not a coder, I don't understand what you mean. :P |
| 20:55.38 | twist | Ahhh ive got X!! |
| 20:55.42 | twist | sweet |
| 20:55.51 | Supaplex | Dark_Apostrophe: libcurl3: /usr/lib/libcurl.so.3 |
| 20:56.04 | rahul | foom: are you overriding packages that are in the base system? |
| 20:56.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Supaplex: But it's installed already.... :/ |
| 20:56.08 | technical | Dark_Apostrophe, it is not a coder thing... I thought the device that makes curly hair was called perma? |
| 20:56.09 | foom | rahul: yes. |
| 20:56.17 | rahul | foom: and install it on my machine when you've got it figured out ;) |
| 20:56.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | technical: I wouldn't know |
| 20:56.30 | shwag | ForwardAgent yes wasnt set in my ssh_config |
| 20:56.31 | Supaplex | technical: it's a perm, or permanent. |
| 20:56.34 | foom | rahul: :) |
| 20:56.43 | rahul | hmm |
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| 20:56.54 | technical | Supaplex, hmm learn something new everyday |
| 20:57.00 | rahul | maybe the best thing would be to put all the base pacakges in your repo... |
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| 20:57.13 | Zee1ot | Supaplex there is no nvidia-kernel-source |
| 20:57.16 | Supaplex | technical: girls and their hair. :) |
| 20:57.24 | rahul | I don't think debootstrap has the full generality of apt |
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| 20:57.25 | technical | Supaplex yeah lol |
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| 20:57.40 | Supaplex | !info nvidia-kernel-source lenny |
| 20:57.41 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source: (NVIDIA binary kernel module source), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 1763 kB, Installed size: 1816 kB |
| 20:57.53 | Supaplex | Zee1ot: is non-free in your sources.list? |
| 20:58.04 | Zee1ot | ill go look |
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| 20:59.36 | Supaplex | Zee1ot: that's another reason you need more background to use lenny... |
| 20:59.54 | foom | rahul: hm yeah, that might work. kinda a pain though. :) |
| 21:00.01 | renewbie | my X is dying because it can't find mouse.. i have usb mouse and modprobe usbmouse loaded the driver.. is there a way to determine which /dev to use in this case? |
| 21:00.21 | Zee1ot | Supaplex still nothing... |
| 21:00.38 | Zee1ot | main contrib non-free |
| 21:00.41 | rahul | foom: I think it needs to be done that way, since debootstrap doesn't use apt |
| 21:01.30 | foom | Yeah. It looks like it should be pretty easy actually since it has the --make-tarball / --unpack-tarball args |
| 21:01.44 | Supaplex | Zee1ot: dpkg says it's in lenny, so you're system is "special" or something. |
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| 21:03.53 | jelly | Supaplex: dpkg says it's in _i386_ lenny, to be more precise. it knows not about other architectures (like say amd64) |
| 21:04.10 | Zee1ot | I installed i386 |
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| 21:04.28 | jelly | ah, it was a guess anyway :-) |
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| 21:05.33 | Supaplex | good point. |
| 21:05.59 | Supaplex | I guess non i386 would be special, right? =} |
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| 21:07.09 | avythe | what's the equivalent of tip (on bsd) for debian? |
| 21:07.15 | avythe | for connecting to a serial port |
| 21:08.10 | Supaplex | screen, minicom, cu |
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| 21:10.00 | avythe | thanks |
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| 21:12.37 | krifur | hello, i want to test a cathodic screen but i just have a laptop which got two graphics card, if I push the switch screen button on my laptop nothing happen on the other screen, what can i test so ? |
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| 21:13.35 | avythe | what's the usual /dev/tty for serial port? |
| 21:13.59 | krifur | ttyS0 i think but i m not sure |
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| 21:14.47 | avythe | i seem to get "Line in use" no matter what i try |
| 21:15.06 | krifur | your serila port is enabled in the bios ? |
| 21:15.19 | krifur | serial* |
| 21:15.30 | Varak | Has anyone got zimbra to work on debian lenny? |
| 21:15.40 | avythe | hm |
| 21:15.43 | avythe | it should be. |
| 21:15.43 | Varak | comments from google are conflicting and not helping |
| 21:15.51 | avythe | is there a way to find out for sure what the serial port is? |
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| 21:16.16 | avythe | bleh bsd is so much easier |
| 21:16.23 | avythe | you can use just COM1 heh |
| 21:17.10 | krifur | it s usually ttyS0 the ttyS1 if you have two serial port |
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| 21:17.27 | krifur | s/the/and |
| 21:17.44 | avythe | i just have one |
| 21:17.48 | avythe | giving me that error though |
| 21:17.56 | krifur | what error? |
| 21:18.03 | krifur | how do you test it? |
| 21:18.05 | LLcoolM | is there an undelete command? |
| 21:18.11 | avythe | Line in u se |
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| 21:18.13 | avythe | use* |
| 21:18.16 | krifur | ctrl+z ^^ |
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| 21:18.25 | LLcoolM | i just accidentally deleted some files |
| 21:18.47 | krifur | what do you type to connect to your serial port |
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| 21:19.16 | avythe | cu -s 2400 -l ttys |
| 21:19.22 | avythe | ttyS0 rather |
| 21:19.23 | avythe | is what i tried |
| 21:19.35 | krifur | screen /dev/ttyS0 115200 try this maybe |
| 21:19.53 | krifur | you are sure whith the bauds rate ? |
| 21:20.05 | krifur | whith* |
| 21:20.09 | krifur | lol |
| 21:21.00 | avythe | yes |
| 21:21.04 | avythe | it needs to be 2400 |
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| 21:21.23 | krifur | ok so try screen/dev/ttySO 2400 then |
| 21:21.32 | krifur | you have to be root |
| 21:21.42 | avythe | k just a sec |
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| 21:21.49 | PG | do you know whether there is a windows program that does what "file" does in linux? |
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| 21:22.40 | themill | PG: file under cygwin |
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| 21:23.34 | renewbie | how can I get latest possible kernel for etch using apt-get |
| 21:23.58 | renewbie | I mean what is the name of the package |
| 21:24.17 | nuxis | renewbie: aptitude and use search :-) you will find the latest one I think |
| 21:24.29 | krifur | aptitude search linux-image the you take the newest one |
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| 21:25.10 | nuxis | yep |
| 21:25.16 | krifur | same :) |
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| 21:26.05 | jeffy1 | hi |
| 21:26.13 | krifur | hi |
| 21:26.26 | nvz | PG: yeah, file. |
| 21:26.27 | renewbie | hmm, thanks nuxis and krifur |
| 21:26.33 | nvz | PG: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages.html |
| 21:26.49 | BUMBACL0T | how do you send a msg over ssh ? |
| 21:26.56 | jakub_ | when will be KDE4 ? |
| 21:27.00 | jakub_ | in september ? |
| 21:27.33 | jeffy1 | actually, late october |
| 21:27.38 | qrck_ | wait long |
| 21:27.40 | qrck_ | .... |
| 21:27.52 | jakub_ | in 4 days will be BETA1 |
| 21:27.57 | jakub_ | it`s true ? |
| 21:28.03 | nvz | BUMBACL0T: what kind of message? |
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| 21:28.13 | jeffy1 | yes it's true |
| 21:28.39 | avythe | hm |
| 21:28.41 | avythe | now i'm getting |
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| 21:28.48 | isleshocky78 | I'm trying to upgrade my debian setup and got this error message: "unable to create `./bin/mkdir': Permission denied" Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 21:28.55 | avythe | "Stale lock /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1 held by process 3748 created |
| 21:29.04 | avythe | it tries to remove it and says operation not permitted |
| 21:29.09 | jakub_ | hmm |
| 21:29.22 | jakub_ | in experimental it wouldn`t be :( |
| 21:29.26 | jakub_ | maybe it will or not ? |
| 21:29.32 | isleshocky78 | The whole thing is: http://hashbin.com/713.html |
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| 21:31.23 | krifur | isleshocky78: are you root ? |
| 21:31.30 | Igr | Hello, how do I upgrade from lenny to sid? |
| 21:31.40 | isleshocky78 | yes |
| 21:31.40 | isleshocky78 | krifur: Yes. |
| 21:32.13 | jeffy1 | change lenny to sid and testing to unstable in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:32.23 | x_link | Igr: Should from "testing" to "sid" in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:32.26 | jeffy1 | then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:32.32 | Igr | That's what I did but returns some error when doing apt-get update after that. |
| 21:32.47 | Igr | So there's no need for apt-get update? |
| 21:32.58 | jeffy1 | well i don't know you can try |
| 21:33.07 | jakub_ | hey everyone |
| 21:33.18 | jakub_ | do you think, in 10 years, linux will be 1th operation system ? |
| 21:33.20 | krifur | isleshocky78: what you did aptitude upgrade ? |
| 21:33.34 | isleshocky78 | apt-get upgrade |
| 21:34.03 | isleshocky78 | now I'm getting an error which tells me to do apt-get -f install. When I do that I get the error you see. |
| 21:35.07 | Igr | How do I upgrade from lenny to sid? |
| 21:35.19 | jeffy1 | did the dist-upgrade work? |
| 21:35.27 | Igr | well I'm getting some errors |
| 21:35.29 | Igr | http://security.debian.org/dists/ |
| 21:35.30 | Igr | there is no sid |
| 21:35.33 | isleshocky78 | I get that same error telling me to apt-get -f install |
| 21:35.37 | Igr | and I have that in my sources.list |
| 21:35.41 | krifur | sorry i dont know you seem to have so prob with the coreutils package maybe you can try to reinstall it, and use aptitude is better |
| 21:35.45 | jeffy1 | that's because the security team does not support sid |
| 21:35.46 | isleshocky78 | It's trying to upgrade the coreutil it looks like and can't extract rmdir for some reason. |
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| 21:35.53 | eternaljoy | hi |
| 21:35.57 | jeffy1 | or maybe it is unstable |
| 21:35.58 | eternaljoy | anyone know if I can convert a 3gig mpeg into an 700MB AVI? |
| 21:36.04 | Igr | jeffy1, so I should comment that lines so I don't get errors or what? |
| 21:36.13 | Igr | jeffy1, there's no "unstable" folder there either. |
| 21:36.43 | jeffy1 | ok, so fist comment them |
| 21:36.54 | isleshocky78 | How can I reinstall the coreutilo and what is aptitude, or how do I use it instead of apt-get |
| 21:37.06 | krifur | isleshocky78: apt-get install aptitude |
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| 21:37.21 | eternaljoy | anyone know if I can convert a 3gig mpeg into an 700MB AVI? |
| 21:37.29 | krifur | then you use it like apt-get, aptitude install package, aptitude search package |
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| 21:37.36 | nuxis | eternaljoy: no :D |
| 21:37.50 | eternaljoy | nuxis: ok :P |
| 21:37.54 | buchkurish | can smoeone examine this |
| 21:37.56 | buchkurish | http://pastebin.ca/582212 |
| 21:38.01 | eternaljoy | buchkurish: no |
| 21:38.16 | krifur | isleshocky78: you can try this after aptitude reinstall coreutils |
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| 21:38.22 | buchkurish | eternaljoy: ok |
| 21:38.30 | eternaljoy | sorry |
| 21:38.32 | buchkurish | can anyone else help me out..someone other then eternaljoy |
| 21:38.40 | krifur | eternaljoy: use convert |
| 21:38.43 | nuxis | buchkurish: sex |
| 21:38.50 | nuxis | buchkurish: sec SOZ :p |
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| 21:38.54 | buchkurish | nuxis: that does not help me figure out my situation |
| 21:39.00 | themill | buchkurish: what's your question about? |
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| 21:39.02 | buchkurish | anyone else? |
| 21:39.07 | buchkurish | themill: http://pastebin.ca/582212 |
| 21:39.10 | nuxis | buchkurish: I meant SECOND |
| 21:39.15 | themill | buchkurish: and your question |
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| 21:39.27 | isleshocky78 | krifur: E: I wasn't able to locate file for the coreutils package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
| 21:39.33 | buchkurish | themill: i just pasted u my question |
| 21:39.41 | buchkurish | themill: could you please visit this link 'http://pastebin.ca/582212' |
| 21:39.49 | eternaljoy | krifur: convert? |
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| 21:40.10 | jm|laptop | hello |
| 21:40.10 | krifur | isleshocky78: you do aptitude update before ? |
| 21:40.23 | eternaljoy | krifur: how I tell convert to convert it to an 700MB AVI? |
| 21:40.24 | jeffy1 | hi |
| 21:40.25 | jm|laptop | could someone help me with bridging interfaces, please? I'm trying to bridge ath0/eth0 |
| 21:40.31 | themill | buchkurish: if you mention "apache" in your question then you will get a better response. I have looked at it and can't help (sorry) but most won't look at it without something to pique their interest. |
| 21:40.35 | krifur | eternaljoy: no i said bullshit lol, its mencoder i think who do that |
| 21:40.40 | jm|laptop | ath0 is just client mode - not hostap |
| 21:40.54 | buchkurish | themill: ok ill make sure i say it has to do with apache |
| 21:41.02 | isleshocky78 | krifur: Same error. |
| 21:41.12 | buchkurish | themill: i would just think that it be much easier to visit pastebin.. cuz pastebin usualy has all the answer =))) |
| 21:41.12 | eternaljoy | krifur: how I tell convert to convert it to an 700MB AVI? |
| 21:41.15 | buchkurish | thanks though |
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| 21:41.33 | themill | buchkurish: http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-37270.html |
| 21:41.36 | eternaljoy | krifur: how do I tell mencoder to convert it to a 700MB AVI? |
| 21:41.49 | krifur | isleshocky78: aptitude install coreutils dont work so? |
| 21:41.56 | jm|laptop | one side of the bridge seems to work - but not the wireless side :/ |
| 21:41.59 | isleshocky78 | nope. |
| 21:42.24 | themill | buchkurish: it's just that some people know something about apache, others about mencoder and you want to get the right people looking into it for you. |
| 21:42.44 | buchkurish | themill: ok |
| 21:42.45 | pickcoder | jm|laptop: I've done it with bridge-utils but I don't recall all the steps involved. It seemed pretty simple, though |
| 21:43.03 | themill | buchkurish: did that post on bsdforums help? |
| 21:43.48 | eternaljoy | anyone know how I tell mencoder to convert a 3gig mpeg into an 700MB AVI pls? |
| 21:44.24 | jm|laptop | pickcoder: hmm. I am using /etc/network/interfaces file. I have my ath0 set to 'manual' and I'm specifying wep key etc. it is connecting to the AP upstairs. When I bridge the interface, I can use eth0 (which has no settings in interfaces) but ath0 doesn't seem to want to play :/ |
| 21:44.35 | buchkurish | themill: im trying to figure out. where the apache conf is.. im a noob for linux |
| 21:44.40 | buchkurish | themill: i will try though |
| 21:44.51 | themill | buchkurish: /etc/apache2/ |
| 21:45.14 | jm|laptop | ath0 keeps changing state "entering disabled state" "entering listening state" "entering learning state" :S |
| 21:45.21 | buchkurish | themill: ok |
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| 21:46.14 | pickcoder | jm|laptop: you used brctl to add a bridge eth and then add interfaces? |
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| 21:47.08 | eternaljoy | anyone know how I tell mencoder to convert a 3gig mpeg into an 700MB AVI pls? |
| 21:48.16 | jm|laptop | pickcoder: I've tried a few things. This is where I am currently: http://www.pastebin.ca/582238 |
| 21:48.45 | pickcoder | jm|laptop: are you using dhcp for ath0? |
| 21:48.58 | jm|laptop | pickcoder: no; 'manual' (see pastebin) |
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| 21:49.20 | isleshocky78 | krifur: Think of anything else? |
| 21:49.27 | pickcoder | where's eth0? |
| 21:49.49 | jm|laptop | I read that I need not mention it as I have specified it in the br0 |
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| 21:49.58 | jm|laptop | there |
| 21:50.05 | pickcoder | you still have to bring up ath0 and eth0 wth no IP |
| 21:50.16 | jm|laptop | how would I do that? |
| 21:50.30 | jm|laptop | (the eth0 side of the bridge is workin!) |
| 21:50.35 | LV-426 | how can i get sshd to add a leading ip/hostname id when automatically adding known_hosts entries ? |
| 21:50.39 | pickcoder | ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 up |
| 21:50.48 | jm|laptop | hm |
| 21:50.52 | eternaljoy | !mencoder |
| 21:50.52 | dpkg | usage: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/mencoder.html and also http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/encoding-guide.html |
| 21:51.00 | jm|laptop | pickcoder: in `interfaces` ? |
| 21:51.28 | pickcoder | hm.. no |
| 21:51.33 | jm|laptop | ok |
| 21:51.39 | jm|laptop | let me try this with brctl |
| 21:51.43 | pickcoder | which makes me wonder if that's the case with ath0 |
| 21:52.04 | pickcoder | you may not be able to bind a wireless device |
| 21:52.16 | jm|laptop | :( |
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| 21:52.19 | pickcoder | not sure though |
| 21:52.38 | jm|laptop | pickcoder: I have read that you can bridge ath0 in hostap mode to make an 'access point' |
| 21:52.44 | jm|laptop | but I don't really want to do that |
| 21:53.29 | jm|laptop | I have this { web } -- DSL -- [ router ] -- eth0 -- [ dhcpd/dns/etc. ] ~~ ath0 ~~ [ ap ] --- | lan | |
| 21:54.21 | jm|laptop | would simple ip forwarding do that? |
| 21:54.43 | jm|laptop | meh; but it's all the same subnet |
| 21:54.56 | pickcoder | jm|laptop: /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz |
| 21:55.09 | pickcoder | there's info in there regarding pre-up statements for wireless |
| 21:55.19 | pickcoder | as well as anonymous bridges (don't have static IP) |
| 21:55.22 | krifur | isleshocky78: no sry no idea, if it was my computer i will try to do something but i have no perfect answer for this pb |
| 21:55.34 | jm|laptop | hmm |
| 21:55.51 | pickcoder | ~line 80 |
| 21:56.31 | isleshocky78 | l |
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| 21:56.34 | krifur | !display |
| 21:56.47 | jm|laptop | pickcoder: mode master, though ?! |
| 21:57.01 | pickcoder | that's just an example of how to use iwconfig in the bridge interface |
| 21:57.13 | jm|laptop | hmm |
| 21:57.21 | jm|laptop | what mode do I need? /me reads |
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| 21:58.02 | sanxiyn | Hi, if you're bored, you may want to test this howto: |
| 21:58.02 | sanxiyn | http://groups.google.com/group/mono-olive/browse_thread/thread/7706c2dac175d4f6 |
| 21:58.24 | sanxiyn | Building and running Moonlight (Mono's implementation of Silverlight plugin) on Debian. |
| 21:58.30 | pickcoder | pre-up iwconfig ath0 essid <essid> key <wep key> |
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| 21:58.34 | jm|laptop | oic |
| 21:58.41 | jm|laptop | the pre-up goes in the br0 definition? |
| 21:58.42 | pickcoder | don't bring up ath0 in interfaces |
| 21:58.45 | pickcoder | the bridge will do that |
| 21:58.47 | pickcoder | yes |
| 21:58.50 | jm|laptop | aha |
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| 22:00.07 | pickcoder | you may still have to bring up ath0 and eth0 without an IP manually so that they are active |
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| 22:00.32 | pickcoder | jm|laptop: http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=Howto&pagename=Ethernet-Bridge-netfilter-HOWTO/Ethernet-Bridge-netfilter-HOWTO-3.html |
| 22:01.18 | jm|laptop | :( wireless side still not working |
| 22:02.03 | pickcoder | check out the bridge.sh script at the bottom |
| 22:02.12 | pickcoder | you could put something similar in your init.d |
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| 22:03.22 | pickcoder | jm|laptop: what does ifconfig -a show? |
| 22:04.11 | jm|laptop | it shows eth0, eth1 (fw), ath0, br0, wifi0 |
| 22:04.20 | pickcoder | can you pastebin it? |
| 22:04.31 | jm|laptop | pickcoder: ath0 keeps debugging into dmesg - I reckon there's an issue with this version of the drivers :S |
| 22:04.39 | jm|laptop | I'm using sid after all |
| 22:04.41 | pickcoder | oh |
| 22:04.55 | pickcoder | did you verify ath0 worked before you tried to bridge it? |
| 22:04.59 | jm|laptop | oh sure |
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| 22:05.19 | jm|laptop | when I don't use the bridge and just bring up ath0 I can reach the network upstairs via the AP up there |
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| 22:06.34 | Gujiz | Hey everyone, i have a problem that i cant solve by myself... I can connect to my EXIM server via telnet (inside my NAT network) but nobody else from outside the network is able to connect the server eventough the port 25 is mapped to forward to server from router |
| 22:07.04 | Varak | anyone reccommed an ajax like webmail client? I tried zimbra but I'm getting nowhere trying to install it |
| 22:07.17 | eternaljoy | anyone know how I tell mencoder to convert a 3gig mpeg into an 700MB AVI pls? |
| 22:07.36 | pickcoder | jm|laptop: the readme says that if you're using client(managed) mode then the AP may refuse packets due to a different MAC |
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| 22:08.11 | jm|laptop | pickcoder: I am doing that |
| 22:08.15 | jm|laptop | no MAC filtering, though |
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| 22:08.21 | pickcoder | then it probably won't work |
| 22:08.23 | jm|laptop | but it is Managed / Infrastructure |
| 22:08.26 | jm|laptop | :( |
| 22:08.26 | pickcoder | oh |
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| 22:08.40 | m3thos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.42 | Varak | have any of you gotten zimbra to work on debian? |
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| 22:09.00 | rstanca | Varak, yes |
| 22:09.10 | rstanca | what's the problem? |
| 22:09.27 | Varak | the install script doesn't see installed aps |
| 22:09.44 | jm|laptop | it's still blething into dmesg |
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| 22:09.50 | pickcoder | jm|laptop: those errors look like they may be source MAC oriented |
| 22:09.51 | Varak | i went into the packages dir and dpkg'd all the apps |
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| 22:09.59 | pickcoder | as the readme warned about |
| 22:10.06 | Varak | and the prerequisits are all installed and avalible from the command line |
| 22:10.18 | Varak | but install just barfs and says it doesn't see em |
| 22:10.30 | jm|laptop | so I'd have to be in ad hoc mode/ |
| 22:10.37 | jm|laptop | or hostap on the atheros :S |
| 22:10.42 | pickcoder | yes |
| 22:10.42 | jm|laptop | I suppose it /might/ work |
| 22:11.08 | jm|laptop | pickcoder: thanks for your help, dude. I might look at running hostap tomorrow and saving electricity turning off the 3com AP ! |
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| 22:11.30 | rstanca | Varak: as I remember you have to edit some script for it to work on debian |
| 22:11.35 | rstanca | Varak: did you do that? |
| 22:11.47 | Varak | no |
| 22:11.55 | pickcoder | good luck with it. let me know if you get it working |
| 22:11.59 | jm|laptop | :) |
| 22:12.09 | Varak | i read that |
| 22:12.18 | Varak | but the changes had already been made in the script |
| 22:12.19 | rstanca | Varak: hold on one sec |
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| 22:12.24 | Varak | ok |
| 22:14.13 | rstanca | Varak: read this -> http://tinyurl.com/274f3b |
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| 22:15.43 | Varak | ok |
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| 22:19.03 | k-man__ | when i run update-initramfs, i get this error: find: invalid predicate `-regextype' |
| 22:19.14 | k-man__ | is that supposed to happen? |
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| 22:20.09 | eternaljoy | is there a way to get K9copy to open files? |
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| 22:20.28 | k-man__ | how do i examine an initrd image? |
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| 22:21.44 | RevertTS | is there a way to keep X from tacking on the default font path after my fontpaths? |
| 22:21.59 | pickcoder | k-man_: which version of Debian and initramfs-tools do you have |
| 22:22.02 | N1ckR | Is there a way to roll-back or install a previous version of a package ? |
| 22:22.43 | k-man__ | pickcoder, 0.88 |
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| 22:22.44 | pickcoder | !tell N1ckR about downgrading |
| 22:22.56 | buchkurish | i made an accoutn at https://www.dyndns.com but when i point my browser to http://twistedbosnian.selfip.com/~alien/test.html .. it just wont work, i think i have to specify something in the .htaccess can someone help out |
| 22:23.18 | k-man__ | pickcoder, actually, i have a more severe problem that led me to this question. |
| 22:23.19 | shwag | what runs on port 4949 ? |
| 22:23.26 | Cyis | gotta hate it when you forget the password of your encrypted USB pen drive :) |
| 22:23.43 | k-man__ | i had a raid array that was unused on my computer (it was for testing) |
| 22:23.46 | JoshH | buchkurish: you entered your nat ip for it rather than the public ip |
| 22:23.49 | k-man__ | i have now used the drives for something else |
| 22:23.55 | pickcoder | shwag: netstat -ap will tell you which application is listening |
| 22:23.56 | k-man__ | now, when i boot, i get a kernel panic |
| 22:24.00 | themill | shwag: Munin llrd |
| 22:24.03 | eternaljoy | is there a way to get K9copy to open files? |
| 22:24.04 | themill | shwag: /etc/services |
| 22:24.12 | shwag | pickcoder: just has a - most of the time |
| 22:24.17 | shwag | munin..ah.ok |
| 22:24.18 | k-man__ | but if i boot using an old kernel from before i set up the raid array, it boots fine |
| 22:24.19 | shwag | that makes sense |
| 22:24.19 | buchkurish | JoshH: i know thats cuz i dont have prots forwared.. and i cant use the public ip |
| 22:24.27 | eternaljoy | anyone know how I can convert a mpeg file into a 700MB AVI? |
| 22:24.33 | k-man__ | kernel panics with " init can't load /scripts/functions" |
| 22:24.33 | buchkurish | JoshH: sorry.. i didnt want to make public yet.. want to get it to work like that first |
| 22:24.54 | k-man__ | sorry, "init can't open /scripts/functions" i mean |
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| 22:25.01 | N1ckR | pickcoder, I guess that refers to downgrading between unstable -> testing -> stable. What i mean is say package X in stable gets a bug fix and it breaks something, is there a mechanism for getting the last version back ? |
| 22:25.20 | pickcoder | N1ckR: not without potentially breaking depends |
| 22:25.29 | pickcoder | same as downgrading for an entire distro |
| 22:25.30 | BUMBACL0T | Turion X2 or Core 2 Duo ? |
| 22:25.37 | BUMBACL0T | im talkin laptops here |
| 22:25.45 | BUMBACL0T | which one would you choose? |
| 22:25.54 | pickcoder | N1ckR: you can force an install with dpkg, but it's not recommended |
| 22:25.54 | N1ckR | So if its broke, I wait... |
| 22:26.20 | N1ckR | Just thinking theoretically here. But cheers anyhow :) |
| 22:26.33 | pickcoder | N1ckR: if you do your homework and verify that ever dependency is the same, then you can safely remove the package and install an older release via dpkg |
| 22:26.50 | pickcoder | I still don't think it's a good idea, though. |
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| 22:28.22 | pickcoder | k-man_: is it softRAID? |
| 22:28.53 | k-man__ | pickcoder, yeah... using mdadm |
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| 22:29.19 | k-man__ | pickcoder, and when I ran update-initramfs, it gave me a warning about not finding /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf or something |
| 22:29.24 | pickcoder | your ramdisk has to load mdadm and setup the volume before your root can be accessed |
| 22:29.42 | k-man__ | i have now removed mdadm as i'm not using raid any more |
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| 22:30.03 | k-man__ | pickcoder, the raid array was just for testing and there was no data on it and certainly nothing required for booting |
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| 22:30.40 | pickcoder | removing the mdadm configs out of the ramdisk setup is beyong me |
| 22:30.41 | Test | hi, i've installed debian 4.0 r0 on a USB HDD, installation went fine til reboot, but at reboot it says : Grub. Error 21 then stalls. |
| 22:30.45 | pickcoder | I had that happen before |
| 22:30.56 | pickcoder | never took the time to figure it out |
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| 22:32.29 | k-man__ | pickcoder, removing mdadm rebuilts initramfs |
| 22:32.33 | wigfreitz | how do I compress a whole directory? |
| 22:32.43 | k-man__ | pickcoder, but now i'm worried about that error i got with the find -regex thing |
| 22:33.05 | Gujiz | hmmh, i wonder what i have to change in /etc/hosts to get my mailserver/webserver to work at the same time on my NAT network |
| 22:33.07 | k-man__ | pickcoder, and did update-initramfs really build initramfs correctly? |
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| 22:33.42 | k-man__ | where does debian store kernel images by default? |
| 22:33.59 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.16 | k-man__ | pickcoder, ah, thanks |
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| 22:35.35 | Test | hi, i've installed debian 4.0 r0 on a USB HDD, installation went fine til reboot, but at reboot it says : Grub. Error 21 then stalls. |
| 22:35.46 | mikes | hello! does anyone use amsn in debian sid? |
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| 22:36.57 | k-man__ | how do i list the contents of an initramfs? |
| 22:37.40 | zoredache | Test: did you try any of the solutions you get from google on the search for 'grub error 21 usb'? |
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| 22:38.38 | pickcoder | Test: I don't think that a usb drive will be loadable without some tweaking. Most of the USB stuff is modular, so the drive probably won't exist until after init starts |
| 22:40.11 | pickcoder | Test: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=246331 |
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| 22:40.36 | vlt | Hello. I want to connect to a EAP-TTLS secured WLAN using a BCM43XX chipset (via ndiswrapper). Is this possible (using knetworkmanager now)? |
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| 22:40.50 | pickcoder | better yet: http://simonf.com/usb/ |
| 22:41.04 | k-man__ | hmm.. as far as i can tell, the scripts folder of my initrd is not being populated |
| 22:41.14 | k-man__ | and i think its this find problem |
| 22:41.42 | k-man__ | what version of find do you guys have? i have 4.2.22 |
| 22:41.45 | Test | pickcoder> i don't see the solution there |
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| 22:42.28 | amphi | k-man__: 4.2.31 |
| 22:42.39 | k-man__ | hmm |
| 22:42.42 | pickcoder | Test: Google has many answers.. |
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| 22:42.51 | k-man__ | thanks amphi |
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| 22:43.55 | amphi | k-man__: that's testing, BTW |
| 22:44.09 | k-man__ | amphi, ok, tahnks |
| 22:44.11 | pickcoder | 4.2.28 is in Etch |
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| 22:44.40 | Cyis | anyone got any ideas for cracking the password on a LUKS encrypted drive? |
| 22:44.42 | k-man__ | aptitude wants to remove base-config.... is that bad? |
| 22:44.47 | k-man__ | it sounds bad |
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| 22:45.29 | craine | can anyone help me install php4 and Apache on my debian server |
| 22:45.47 | pickcoder | k-man_: what does /etc/debian_version have in it? |
| 22:45.56 | k-man__ | pickcoder, i think the problem is that my sources.list has everything marked as "testing" |
| 22:46.15 | k-man__ | pickcoder, but I haven't done a full upgrade since etch was released |
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| 22:46.32 | k-man__ | pickcoder, it has lenny/sid in it |
| 22:46.50 | nvz | !+info base-config etch |
| 22:46.51 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:46.53 | dpkg | Package 'base-config' does not exist. |
| 22:47.08 | k-man__ | hmm |
| 22:47.13 | nvz | as you can see base-config was removed |
| 22:47.21 | craine | k-man its kernel 2.6 |
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| 22:47.45 | nvz | k-man__: it was only for use on first install anyhow |
| 22:47.49 | k-man__ | craine, yeah |
| 22:47.54 | k-man__ | ok |
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| 22:48.15 | nvz | was just a set of scripts to do initial configuration the first time you boot debian |
| 22:48.18 | pickcoder | I used to use it to reconfigure a lot of stuff |
| 22:48.28 | k-man__ | ok, im installing/removing |
| 22:48.30 | nvz | its obviously been changed |
| 22:48.30 | k-man__ | here goes nothing |
| 22:48.40 | k-man__ | nvz, thanks |
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| 22:49.06 | Test | no one can help me -' |
| 22:49.26 | k-man__ | test, yes, you are beyond help ;) |
| 22:49.34 | nvz | heh |
| 22:49.36 | Test | <k-man__> why ? |
| 22:49.36 | nvz | !test |
| 22:49.36 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 22:49.42 | nvz | thats why |
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| 22:50.07 | utopia | is support for serial mouse's enabled by default in the kernel? |
| 22:50.22 | pickcoder | no |
| 22:50.29 | pickcoder | modprobe sermouse |
| 22:50.45 | nvz | haha, thats hilarious |
| 22:50.59 | nvz | is serial mouse enabled by default.. |
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| 22:51.08 | utopia | why's that hilarious? |
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| 22:51.16 | nvz | you'd be hard pressed to even find a pc with a serial port on the market anymore |
| 22:51.25 | utopia | yeah well, old pc |
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| 22:51.33 | utopia | deal with it , thanks for the help pickcoder |
| 22:51.35 | mmlj4 | i just sold one today that had 2 of them |
| 22:51.44 | pickcoder | usb isn't enabled 100% either |
| 22:51.51 | pickcoder | so you lose either way |
| 22:51.52 | nvz | yeah well universal serial bus is the standard now it seems, and even that isnt enabled by default |
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| 22:52.30 | h3sp4wn | Its only laptops where that is a big problem |
| 22:52.31 | pickcoder | I don't think mouse, in general, are supported by default |
| 22:52.41 | nvz | the mouse is definatly a 2ndary input device in a POSIX OS.. unlike Windows, where the keyboard is more of a secondary input device |
| 22:52.54 | pickcoder | s/mouse/mice |
| 22:53.01 | nvz | tell a windows user they have to type something, and they freak out |
| 22:53.18 | k-man__ | ls |
| 22:53.20 | k-man__ | oops |
| 22:53.21 | k-man__ | wrong window |
| 22:53.31 | pickcoder | nvz: you know.. that's so true from a sales point of view. If you actually watch a user at a computer, though, 90% of the time they are using the keyboard. |
| 22:53.42 | Shadda` | Hey, I have an NTFS drive mounted as ro, and I want to share it on the network. Problem is, since it's RO I can't change the mode/owner and my network users can't access it |
| 22:53.48 | nvz | k-man__: pron/ more pron/ goat-pron/ |
| 22:53.55 | pickcoder | unless they're watching pr0n |
| 22:54.07 | k-man__ | nvz, thanks.... thats what I was looking for ;) |
| 22:54.47 | nvz | k-man__: obviously.. people only ask about gnu find, when they lost their collection of goat pron |
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| 22:55.57 | zoredache | Shadda`: mount your drive as rw then? or use a mount option so that it shows up under a different uid/gid (-o uid=333) |
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| 22:59.54 | B_Raven | Wee question. What's the file where executable paths are listed? I keep forgetting. |
| 23:00.11 | Shadda` | zoredache sorry, boss came in :) I don't want to mount rw, because afaik ntfs and linux don't get along too well (lots of irreplacable data) and as for uid...I'm looking at stuff on samba as a guest user, will that work? |
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| 23:01.32 | zoredache | when you mount the ntfs volume, you should be able to give a uid paramager... set it to a uid/gid/mode that your samba users will use to access the drive |
| 23:01.55 | pickcoder | B_Raven: can you be more specific? are you wanting to change the default login path environment var? |
| 23:02.48 | B_Raven | When you enter a command in the shell, there's a file that lists where it should look for the actual executables, like /bin/ and /usr/sbin/ |
| 23:03.06 | pickcoder | B_Raven: that's in the shell environment |
| 23:03.25 | pickcoder | you can change that by user via shell profiles or in /etc/login.defs for the entire system |
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| 23:04.11 | B_Raven | Any way to add a path for a single user? (Like /home/blah/.bin/) |
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| 23:04.40 | pickcoder | that's what I just said |
| 23:04.45 | pickcoder | either by user, using shell profiles |
| 23:04.48 | pickcoder | or /etc/login.defs |
| 23:04.51 | pickcoder | for the entire system |
| 23:04.58 | B_Raven | Sorry, wee bit scatterbrained these days :P |
| 23:05.03 | pickcoder | if you are using bash, then .bash_profile in ~ |
| 23:05.25 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.43 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.06 | B_Raven | Ooh, got it, thanks. :) |
| 23:07.00 | pipatron | Hey folks, I want to use distcc with "apt-get -b source", but I can't find where to tell apt-get to run the make in parallel... |
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| 23:09.10 | pantos | hi |
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| 23:12.01 | sussudio | %tell [PSyKo] about away |
| 23:12.37 | the_lalelu | hehe - pub away sucks |
| 23:14.23 | B_Raven | Java being in non-free mean sun finaly removed the non-competition clause from their licenses? |
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| 23:16.04 | gordboy | hello from the sun microsystems sponsored ulra piss-up in edinburgh. wooohooo |
| 23:16.43 | N1ckR | gordboy... your on a pissup and you've time to irc ?!? |
| 23:17.25 | gordboy | N1ckR, i'm back home now. it's past the (free) witching hour here |
| 23:18.26 | N1ckR | :D |
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| 23:19.55 | alfatau | hello, is there a way to get a log of ALL messages printed on the screen during bootstrap? i tried dmesg and syslog but it's not enough because i need all messages also printed by services launched during startup. thanks |
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| 23:21.56 | pipatron | Put the kernel output to a serial port and connect a matrix printer with tractorfeed paper |
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| 23:23.18 | alfatau | pipatron: no way to redirect to a file instead of a printer? |
| 23:23.39 | pipatron | Probably, but I don't know about that :) |
| 23:23.48 | pipatron | If it's not in dmesg or syslog, I wouldn't know about it |
| 23:24.01 | alfatau | ok, thank you |
| 23:24.09 | pipatron | Messages printed by services during startup should end up in syslog or in their own logs |
| 23:24.47 | pipatron | Any particular service you try to debug? |
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| 23:29.54 | isleshocky78 | can someone tell me what the letters stand for when you do a aptitude search? |
| 23:30.00 | isleshocky78 | p,i,v and what not. |
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| 23:32.00 | doublehp | how can I install banner ? |
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| 23:32.24 | doublehp | which alternative do I have to generate ASCII-art ? |
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| 23:33.14 | szymon_g | hi |
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| 23:34.41 | cafuego | Can anyone think of a reason why etch Xen vm's would have their ethX increased by one after each system reboot? This one started out as eth0 and is now eth4. |
| 23:35.24 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: because the mac address is changing and the xen host is using the udev persistent net rule |
| 23:35.35 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: grr. can I punch it? ;-) |
| 23:35.48 | sophacles | cafuego des the n (from ethN) match the instance number for the vm (xm list...) |
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| 23:35.58 | cafuego | lemme check |
| 23:36.18 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah; you can just change the persistent rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistentblahblahblah (iirc; number is probably worng) |
| 23:36.19 | cafuego | nope, it's N+1 |
| 23:36.50 | Gujiz | is there some firewalla as a default on debian/can i remove it somehow? |
| 23:37.00 | szymon_g | ekhm.. i've got a stupid question: how can i install a driver to my nvidia-graphic card? i know that is some debian-way for it, but i've forgot this command :P |
| 23:37.03 | dondelelcaro | Gujiz: no there isn't. |
| 23:37.10 | dondelelcaro | !nvidia |
| 23:37.10 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 23:37.12 | sophacles | cafuego. sounds normal to me. |
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| 23:38.28 | szymon_g | dondelelcaro : thanks :P |
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| 23:39.26 | nvz | bah I just had use a sysrq kill cause my system wasnt responding to shit else |
| 23:39.27 | szymon_g | !nvidia one-liner |
| 23:39.27 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 23:40.05 | nvz | is there a way I can setup that sysrq kill to be less destructive? it always ends up killing X when I do it |
| 23:40.27 | nvz | I would have preferred it killed some X clients first to try regain control of the system |
| 23:40.47 | nvz | actually I would prefer my system not become non-responsive.. but oh well |
| 23:41.56 | doublehp | cafuego: check if mac address changed; if Xen emulates too much, it may generate a new Mac number; recent debian tools tends to attrib one name per hardware (what is nice for laptops); record ifconfig, reboot, see if mac changed. If you cant find the Xen param for this, you may want to remove some Debian stuff (Udev, hotplug ... not sure which one does this feature) |
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| 23:43.23 | tam-box | hi |
| 23:43.33 | cafuego | doublehp: Yeah, it did; it had me baffled, the ubuntu VMs don't do this. |
| 23:43.49 | cafuego | doublehp: Just specifying a mac in the xen cfg now, that should sort them. |
| 23:43.54 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: ta! |
| 23:44.02 | tam-box | what permission do I put in fstab to mount permanently an XFS partition for user? I recall something like this umask=000 |
| 23:44.15 | karsten | tam-box: man mount |
| 23:44.26 | tam-box | karsten: I KNEW IT |
| 23:44.30 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: np; you can reset them to 0 if you want by deleting /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 23:44.35 | karsten | tam-box: umask doesn't work for filesystems with support for Unix-style permissions. |
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| 23:44.58 | tam-box | karsten: I put "man mount" in fstab? |
| 23:45.06 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Yeh, i did. Just left eth0 there and tranposed the assocoated mac to the vm cfg, so it'll just always use that mac address. |
| 23:45.07 | karsten | tam-box: If you want to enable users to mount/umount specific filesystems, 'user' under the options field. |
| 23:45.23 | karsten | tam-box: No, you read the 'mount' manpage and check syntax for XFS mounts. |
| 23:45.35 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: cool. |
| 23:45.39 | cafuego | and voila, booted with eth0 working *and* tthus libnss-ldap working, which is handy ;-) |
| 23:45.39 | tam-box | karsten: no, I want the partition permanently mounted there and with read write permission for USER |
| 23:45.47 | rahul | tam-box: man chmod |
| 23:45.51 | karsten | tam-box: chmod |
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| 23:46.18 | rahul | a mount point is just a dir, like any other |
| 23:47.11 | tam-box | karsten: is not there, there aren't option for user in XFS syntax in man pages |
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| 23:47.37 | x_link | Hi, is there any program like CPU-Z (windows) like there is for Linux? |
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| 23:47.48 | x_link | I want some program that shows the speed of my RAM etc. |
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| 23:48.58 | tam-box | no, it's no chmod |
| 23:49.05 | InsolitWork | how can i understand what's taking my 1024 MB of memory? |
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| 23:49.10 | tam-box | it's something about unmask |
| 23:49.15 | tam-box | is it umask or unmask? |
| 23:49.24 | cafuego | InsolitWork: `free' -> see the cache item. |
| 23:49.27 | cafuego | tam-box: umask |
| 23:49.28 | tam-box | perhaps I am not writing it properly umask=000 |
| 23:49.42 | tam-box | well not I have umask=0000 |
| 23:49.42 | cafuego | tam-box: unmask is a verb, nothing to do with filesystems |
| 23:49.48 | InsolitWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.48 | InsolitWork | Mem: 1035412 993528 41884 0 9176 440364 |
| 23:49.58 | InsolitWork | cafuego ^ |
| 23:50.05 | cafuego | InsolitWork: 440Mb cached |
| 23:50.05 | tam-box | [ 147.880576] XFS: unknown mount option [umask]. |
| 23:50.32 | tam-box | so what I am supposed to put in fstab for the user to be able to use it to write and to read? |
| 23:50.38 | tam-box | currently I am locked out |
| 23:50.47 | cafuego | InsolitWork: used as file cache, it'll be freed IF and WHEN needed. Until then it's more advantageous to hold that data in ram, in case it's accessed again. |
| 23:50.50 | InsolitWork | well then i have no problem right cafuego ? |
| 23:50.53 | tam-box | I want this partition to be just like /home |
| 23:50.57 | cafuego | InsolitWork: Nope, looks fine. |
| 23:51.05 | InsolitWork | thanks cafuego |
| 23:51.06 | tam-box | sorry just like /home/user/ |
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| 23:56.29 | foomonkey | hello... why is /etc/sudoers read only even to root? |
| 23:57.02 | foomonkey | I think I just found it... must be edited with visudo? |
| 23:57.44 | zoredache | foomonkey, yes, usually you only should edit sudoers with visudo |
| 23:58.03 | foomonkey | thanks! |
| 23:58.04 | zoredache | it does some sanity checks to make sure you don't corrupt the file and seriously break something |
| 23:58.12 | foomonkey | and sorry for posting before looking |
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| 23:58.51 | foomonkey | btw... recently converted from ubuntu to debian w/xfce and LOVE IT! |
| 23:59.04 | foomonkey | great clean interface |
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