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| 00:00.11 | Magui | foomonkey, yeah, I tried a debian livecd with xfce on it some weeks ago. |
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| 00:00.23 | Magui | didn't mess with it much at the time, but I did like the interface. |
| 00:00.31 | foomonkey | I guess I am kind over gnome and I never liked kde |
| 00:00.39 | grew | xfce > * |
| 00:00.41 | foomonkey | xfce is something fresh |
| 00:00.47 | DX00_ | how do i add more software repos in order to install things like fluxbox? |
| 00:00.48 | wigfreitz | I start a wget but the connection dies about five seconds after I start it. any ideas? |
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| 00:00.52 | Magui | not using it now, I'm just using kde...but if I get tired of kde, I sure would give xfce a try. |
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| 00:01.22 | wigfreitz | Magui: xfce is rather simplistic |
| 00:01.59 | Magui | foomonkey, yeah, I thought screen-shots of xfce were OK...I dunno, running it off a livecd just impressed me more. I'll probably get into it more sometime in the future. |
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| 00:02.29 | wigfreitz | Magui: you can run kde and gnome off live CD |
| 00:02.33 | foomonkey | nothing really wrong with gnome or kde... the both are great. I just liked something different |
| 00:02.40 | Magui | wigfreitz, yeah, it has a reputation for being low on resources...so I gather it doesn't have all the bells and whistles that kde might have. |
| 00:02.54 | foomonkey | i like fluxbox too |
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| 00:03.17 | Gujiz | anyone have an idea what makes every connection to port 25 echo "no route to host" ? |
| 00:03.21 | Magui | wigfreitz, but I liked what I saw, and I'll probably install it for real sometime...might be a while before I get sick of kde, though (linux noob here). |
| 00:03.30 | wigfreitz | Magui: Its good for basics but it is a little buggy. I had it on a 500mhz 128mb laptop with ubuntu. |
| 00:04.23 | Magui | foomonkey, I run fluxbox on my older desktop here (233 MHz, 10 years old). runs fine, very minimalist desktop. but I probably wouldn't run fluxbox on this machine. |
| 00:04.55 | Magui | wigfreitz, are there kde and gnome livecds? the only one I ran into was the xfce one. can't remember which ftp site I got it from. |
| 00:05.02 | Magui | wigfreitz, it was an etch livecd. |
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| 00:06.46 | DX00_ | how do i add more software repos in order to install things like fluxbox? |
| 00:06.49 | foomonkey | I am tempted to try out Ratpoison (http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison) |
| 00:06.55 | x_link | So nobody here knows any program that I can install that will tell me the speed of my RAM in Mhz etc? |
| 00:07.00 | x_link | I really want a program like that |
| 00:07.12 | Magui | foomonkey: testing |
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| 00:07.27 | zoredache | DX00_: fluxbox is in the official repositories.... |
| 00:07.40 | wigfreitz | Magui: yeah ubuntu have a full set |
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| 00:07.55 | Magui | DX00_: try changing your apt sources list? though I never had to change mine to install fluxbox. I dunno |
| 00:07.57 | DX00_ | zoredache: how do i add them, they weren't installed when the box was set up |
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| 00:08.31 | olskolirc | ahhhh fuck! |
| 00:08.32 | DX00_ | basically, where can i find a list of repos that i can add |
| 00:08.49 | olskolirc | cyberspace.org deleted my account because i havn't logged in in 3 months |
| 00:08.49 | newbalot | Thanks for the interesting welcome. |
| 00:08.51 | olskolirc | i called them up |
| 00:08.57 | olskolirc | i was like dudeeeee |
| 00:09.03 | olskolirc | you mean if i don't log in for a year |
| 00:09.08 | olskolirc | its always been a year |
| 00:09.15 | olskolirc | he said no, we changed it |
| 00:09.25 | olskolirc | i got no email or nuffin! |
| 00:09.31 | olskolirc | bitches |
| 00:09.40 | Magui | foomonkey: uh...looks interesting, I guess. maybe I'll try it a few years after getting bored with xfce:). |
| 00:09.45 | dondelelcaro | olskolirc: that's rather OT here; please take it elsewhere. |
| 00:09.57 | olskolirc | what is ot |
| 00:10.02 | newbalot | off topic |
| 00:10.02 | dondelelcaro | olskolirc: off topic |
| 00:10.11 | olskolirc | we have topics now? |
| 00:10.12 | foomonkey | yeah... I don't know if I want to go with ratpoison. mark pilgrim likes it |
| 00:10.12 | Magui | foomonkey: just out of curiosity, how often do you switch desktops or window managers? |
| 00:10.14 | olskolirc | like a chat room? |
| 00:10.23 | olskolirc | i thought this was a help channel |
| 00:10.27 | foomonkey | not very often at all... been using gnome forever |
| 00:10.32 | Magui | foomonkey: who's mark pilgrim? |
| 00:10.33 | foomonkey | just switched over to xfce |
| 00:10.41 | foomonkey | http://diveintomark.org |
| 00:10.46 | foomonkey | author of dive into python |
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| 00:11.18 | foomonkey | wife is calling... be back later |
| 00:11.42 | Magui | foomonkey: only used gnome a few times in school. thought it was OK. but I've been using windows too long, I guess. I always knew I'd just run kde when I switched to linux. |
| 00:11.47 | newbalot | I'm trying to install Beryl, but the first step of the installation involves apt-getting a package that can not be found. How can I add a repository that includes "libxcomposite1 mesa-utils"? (I'm totally new, I know nearly nothing about linux) |
| 00:11.48 | dondelelcaro | olskolirc: this channel is for assistance with the Debian distribution; other things belong elsewhere. In 10 minutes you can talk again. |
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| 00:12.29 | dondelelcaro | newbalot: you want libxcomposite-dev, it's in unstable, and make be in testing/stable. See packages.debian.org |
| 00:12.56 | newbalot | I did not understand a single word but I'll look up that URL before I ask. |
| 00:14.23 | dondelelcaro | newbalot: that url just lists the packages that are available |
| 00:14.31 | derwolf_ | gn all |
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| 00:15.19 | newbalot | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I just read it. If I get it right it says that "I" should not use unstable stuff because I'm new. So, only experienced users should use Beryl with Debian, currently? |
| 00:15.23 | tam-box | hi anyone with Vmware ? I can't connect to internet? |
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| 00:15.57 | newbalot | oh, it's stable. Nice. |
| 00:16.54 | Supaplex | tam-box: which vmware product? What's the host os, and the guest os? Does the guest have a nic? What networking model is that nic using? |
| 00:16.59 | Magui | newbalot: huh? beryl is stable in debian? |
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| 00:17.15 | newbalot | Uhm, how do I add that repository? If the answer can be found by reading the apt-get man-page don't bother to answer me, I'm reading it while you read this. ;) |
| 00:17.36 | newbalot | Magui I meant that libxcomposite-dev |
| 00:17.48 | newbalot | Is this correct? : http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libxcomposite-dev&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 00:17.48 | Magui | newbalot: oh, OK. |
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| 00:18.22 | dondelelcaro | newbalot: it's in stable, actually... so you should just be able to aptitutde install libxcomposite1 mesa-utils |
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| 00:19.09 | tam-box | Supaplex: Gues is linux with DHCP internet, Wmware Workstation, XP isnide Vmware, yes I have ethernet. Nic Networking model? |
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| 00:19.44 | devil_ | anyone knows a bittorrent client with support encryption? (except azureus) |
| 00:20.09 | tam-box | Supaplex: vmnet8 that's Vmwares' port connection |
| 00:20.23 | newbalot | hm. aptitude... did nothing (0 packages changed, 0 got installed etc.). And apt-get libx... does not work yet. |
| 00:20.31 | Supaplex | tam-box: NAT? |
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| 00:21.07 | newbalot | dondelelcaro: Maybe I missunderstood something? (My english is not that good) |
| 00:21.07 | tam-box | Supaplex: NAT what, the gues is connected using dhcp from a router |
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| 00:22.24 | Supaplex | tam-box: it's "guest" as in the machine vmware's running for you. The host is the real hardware vmware is installed on. By vmware product, I mean vmware-server, vmware-player, vmware-esx or a dozen other things they publish. (each has their own features/bugs/issues/etc) |
| 00:22.42 | Supaplex | tam-box: NAT isolates real routers from guests. |
| 00:22.43 | Supaplex | !nat |
| 00:22.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nat is Network Address Translation. See also ipmasq, or patented by CISCO, or ip-masq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. see also 'netfilter docs', or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1, or http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/what-nats-break.html |
| 00:23.31 | tam-box | Supaplex: I'll get into NATting later on, now I am in a rushh need to do this ASAP |
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| 00:23.45 | tam-box | I have Vmaware Workstation |
| 00:25.13 | Supaplex | tam-box: if you can't clearly define the problem, or I cannot clearly understand your issue, you'll run around in circles. if you're in that much of a rush, vmware has paid support. Can the guest ping the default gateway? Does the guest have an assigned ip address? Is it 169.254.x.x? |
| 00:25.54 | smacnay | Hi, I am trying to install tetex-bin in testing but get an error: /var/lib/dpkg/info/tetex-bin.postinst: line 948: /usr/share/tex-common/tetex-bin-upgrade: No such file or directory - Is there an issue with tetex right now? |
| 00:26.05 | ben_goodger | smacnay: there is indeed |
| 00:26.38 | smacnay | ben_goodger: well, good to know it isn't machine-specific here. |
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| 00:26.52 | ben_goodger | smacnay: there is an unfortunate situation also where tetex-bin appears to conflict with and depend on, long-term, texlive |
| 00:27.07 | ben_goodger | though that may have been fixed |
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| 00:27.37 | smacnay | ben_goodger: I will see. |
| 00:27.52 | newbalot | I added these reps to sources.list : |
| 00:27.52 | newbalot | deb http://debian.beryl-project.org/ etch main |
| 00:27.52 | newbalot | deb-src http://debian.beryl-project.org/ etch main |
| 00:27.56 | smacnay | ben_goodger: nope - still an issue. |
| 00:28.03 | newbalot | I also did apt-get update |
| 00:28.13 | newbalot | still, apt-get does not find the files. Why not? |
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| 00:29.15 | Simor | Hi everybody.!...How can i mount sessioned cd, as included iso9660 (mode 2) and data (mode 1 )....(etch)..... sorry my bad english. |
| 00:29.34 | nvz | when I do wget before the file starts saving, right after the HTTP request is made, I get a Length: reply which may contain the filesize or not, but always seems to contain the type.. is there some way even using another tool other than wget I can script something so that it will not fetch the file if its not the expected type? I.e. if I request a .tar.gz compressed file and am redirected by the server to an error page that is text/html it won' |
| 00:30.22 | Supaplex | nvz: perl? maybe curl. |
| 00:30.45 | nvz | naturally I can script it to delete the file, but I dont want to hammer the server if its not got what i want, want to check the header of the response and fail if its incorrect |
| 00:31.11 | nvz | hmm yeah I may have to actually script my own tool for reading the header |
| 00:31.36 | nvz | I was just wondering if there was a web fetch utility already made that could examine the header before proceeding to download |
| 00:31.57 | alaya_ | perl LWP maybe? |
| 00:31.59 | nvz | I'm not all to familiar with the HTTP protocol, but I guess through trial-and-error I could become familiar enough |
| 00:32.11 | tam-box | Supaplex: do I use vmnet-bridge ? |
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| 00:32.59 | nvz | my perl fu is weak.. but maybe I can do it in python |
| 00:33.01 | pingg | ANSWER THE SIMOR'S QUESTION! |
| 00:33.02 | pingg | NOW ! |
| 00:33.05 | Supaplex | tam-box: NAT is usually suggested, unless you want the guest to have a similar IP as the host. |
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| 00:33.11 | ben_goodger | pingg: please shut up |
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| 00:33.24 | alaya_ | nvz: 'perldoc LWP' will show some examples |
| 00:33.28 | Supaplex | !tell pingg -about repeat |
| 00:33.34 | Supaplex | pingg: eg, "no answer" |
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| 00:33.49 | ben_goodger | evening, alaya_ |
| 00:33.58 | ben_goodger | incidentally, "alaya" nick is now free |
| 00:34.04 | alaya_ | afternoon ben |
| 00:34.14 | pingg | NOW I SAID |
| 00:34.16 | pingg | ! |
| 00:34.29 | alaya_ | ben_goodger: it shouldn't be. i registered it with nickserv |
| 00:34.32 | zamuro | !ops pingg trolling |
| 00:34.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: zamuro complains about: pingg trolling |
| 00:34.34 | Supaplex | pingg: we ignore trolls. k thanks. |
| 00:34.39 | tam-box | Supaplex: the thing is that I don't have NAT set up in the Lixux yet. Believe, I wanna learn IPtables, natting and all that, but right now I need a faster solution, is vmnet-bridge ok? |
| 00:34.48 | ben_goodger | alaya_: I meant in terms of your trailing underscore |
| 00:35.01 | tam-box | lol pingg |
| 00:35.06 | Supaplex | tam-box: vmware takes care of its own nat. it's part of the property sheet of the vmware guest configuration. |
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| 00:35.09 | tam-box | pingg: pongg |
| 00:35.18 | alaya_ | ben_goodger: those underscores are an indicator of this exceedingly crappy internet connection :-( |
| 00:35.33 | tam-box | Supaplex: oh I see, is Vmware's nat not my OS nat? |
| 00:35.41 | Supaplex | tam-box: correct. |
| 00:35.42 | pingg | ok, please now ? |
| 00:35.50 | ben_goodger | alaya_: ok, I thought they were just tacked on your nick when your set one was taken |
| 00:36.15 | alaya_ | ben_goodger: when i get disconnected abruplty and xchat relogs-on |
| 00:36.29 | ben_goodger | alaya_: oh, I see. carry on :) |
| 00:36.37 | tam-box | Supaplex: so I guess vmnet-nat |
| 00:37.03 | tam-box | Supaplex: sorry vmnet-natd |
| 00:37.23 | alaya_ | Supaplex: vmware can do bridged or host networking. with bridged it appears as an independent machine on the lan |
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| 00:37.40 | pingg | gpm , bisi sorma bosuna |
| 00:37.54 | ben_goodger | !ops pingg being prat |
| 00:37.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ben_goodger complains about: pingg being prat |
| 00:37.56 | pingg | unutmuslar osmanlinin dunyanin efendisi oldugunu |
| 00:37.58 | tam-box | alaya_: thanks for clearing that one |
| 00:38.14 | tam-box | alaya_: now how do I activate bridge in vmware? |
| 00:38.15 | Supaplex | tam-box: http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/vmware/Ethernet-1-NAT.png |
| 00:38.32 | tam-box | pingg: what kinda crack are you on? |
| 00:38.36 | karsten | tam-box: In general: brctl |
| 00:38.36 | peterS | pingg: what's your problem? |
| 00:38.40 | karsten | tam-box: /ignore |
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| 00:38.42 | Supaplex | ben_goodger: pingg will shut up real fast when we ignore him. |
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| 00:38.56 | alaya_ | tam-box: edit the settings for the virtual machine |
| 00:38.59 | Supaplex | tam-box: vmware handles bridging its own way |
| 00:39.00 | ben_goodger | *pthl*... |
| 00:39.12 | tam-box | ok I will try all stuff |
| 00:39.15 | nvz | alaya_: thanks, I'll keep that in mind, I'm gonna try doing it with curl but if that fails I'll try perl |
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| 00:40.03 | Supaplex | nvz: lwp-agent has HEAD GET and POST aliases to name some ideas/alternatives. |
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| 00:40.25 | Supaplex | nvz: also, wget can spider. it won't download, but it'll follow stuff. |
| 00:40.44 | Supaplex | well, it'll download some things, but it won't save them. |
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| 00:43.49 | nvz | Supaplex: well curl seems to not do anything but spit html for me without options anyhow. if the file is found as specified it returns 302 found with a url, and if not, it returns the HTML Error page. so I can parse the output of curl and then wget if it says its found I guess |
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| 00:44.55 | tam-box | Supaplex: ok I got it now!!! In Virtual Machine Setting I had to "ADD" lol. I didn't even have ethernet nic for the Virtual Machine |
| 00:45.13 | Supaplex | nvz: curl dumps to stdout unless you tell it an output file. I wrote a crude wget alias for wget to use it once. :) |
| 00:45.37 | Supaplex | tam-box: ahh. that's why I asked all those questions. :) good job! |
| 00:45.48 | pingg | Supaplex , do you hean me let fox ? |
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| 00:46.12 | nvz | Supaplex: yeah well when I tell curl http://localhost/pic.jpg it just prints html so Idk |
| 00:46.18 | pingg | Supaplex ? |
| 00:46.36 | Supaplex | nvz: fun. |
| 00:46.49 | dylan_ | has anybody performed a new install of Etch on their laptops and found that their wifi card does not automatically begin working upon boot? it worked during the install process, but now, it won't ping any site. can someone please help me? |
| 00:46.57 | pingg | Supaplex , do you know zt erenkoy ? |
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| 00:47.47 | tam-box | Supaplex: under view what's EXCLUSIVE MODE do ? |
| 00:48.03 | pingg | tam-box , are you full box ? |
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| 00:48.37 | dylan_ | iwconfig eth0 shows the card, but it will not connect |
| 00:48.39 | dylan_ | maybe i'm doing this wrong |
| 00:48.41 | dylan_ | anybody know? |
| 00:48.46 | pingg | yes |
| 00:48.49 | pingg | what is your name ? |
| 00:48.53 | pingg | yatta bi zorlaym |
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| 00:49.03 | andrew2 | I'm stuck installing LDAP...slaptest succeeds but a search for users yields: ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) |
| 00:49.05 | andrew2 | I've combed over all the ldap-related conf files in /etc and /etc/ldap...what am I likely missing? |
| 00:49.08 | Supaplex | tam-box: I only use vmware-server. Not sure at all what that is. |
| 00:49.09 | nvz | Supaplex: I'm basically trying to rebuild sites that arent online anymore.. by crawling seperate archives looking for missing pieces trying to do it without generating extra cruft on my end or unnessicarily bugging servers that dont have what I am looking for |
| 00:49.28 | pingg | nvz i think you shold close your pc ? |
| 00:49.39 | nvz | pingg: close my pc? |
| 00:49.43 | Supaplex | nvz: sounds like what I do by hand at archive.org all the time. :p |
| 00:49.47 | pingg | no , close your pc |
| 00:50.10 | nvz | what the hell is "your pc"? |
| 00:50.12 | Supaplex | pingg will eventually run init 0 and all will be swell. |
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| 00:50.49 | pingg | Supaplex , under my dick november pasha |
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| 00:51.11 | nvz | you are making no sense at all |
| 00:51.19 | karsten | pingg: Do you have any Debian specific questions or answers to provide? |
| 00:51.30 | pingg | yes |
| 00:51.57 | dylan_ | karsten, perhaps you can help me. |
| 00:52.03 | Supaplex | !confuse pingg |
| 00:52.03 | dpkg | Yes, where is our weasel tomorrow, pingg? pants of the democracy of tibet with extra cream |
| 00:52.06 | pingg | karsten |
| 00:52.18 | pingg | dpkg , yoggurt ? |
| 00:52.22 | nvz | Supaplex: yeah thats what I am looking at is the WayBack Machine, but its a royal pita trying to get a whole rebuild from all their incomplete snapshots |
| 00:52.24 | karsten | pingg: Hush. |
| 00:52.25 | dylan_ | !confuse dylan_ |
| 00:52.25 | dpkg | No, what are my badger yesterday, dylan_? shirts of the democracy of swaziland with extra crabpaste |
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| 00:52.34 | dylan_ | wow |
| 00:53.25 | nvz | Supaplex: I'm trying to design a proof-of-concept spider that can non-intrusivly rebuild a site from multiple snapshots and create a clean rebuild locally |
| 00:54.07 | Simor | How can i mount sessioned cd, as included iso9660 (mode 2) and data (mode 1 ) |
| 00:54.10 | Supaplex | nvz: humm. I know there are some google cache toys out there. I bet http://search.cpan.org/ has some for google and wayback |
| 00:54.11 | dylan_ | !confuse dylan_ |
| 00:54.11 | dpkg | No, those are my badger yesterday, dylan_? wellies of the democracy of tahiti with extra anchovies |
| 00:54.17 | andrew2 | Can anyone help with LDAP question? Please...I've been stuck for a week. |
| 00:54.20 | dylan_ | !confuse dylan_ |
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| 00:54.31 | nvz | Supaplex: hmm.. |
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| 00:54.37 | Supaplex | dylan_: /query dpkg :) |
| 00:54.43 | dylan_ | sorry |
| 00:54.52 | dylan_ | Supaplex, could you please help me? |
| 00:55.08 | dylan_ | i just installed debian on the laptop |
| 00:55.18 | dylan_ | and i can't get my wifi card working out of the box like it did with sarge |
| 00:55.27 | Supaplex | first I'll need a laptop with wifi. :) |
| 00:55.41 | Supaplex | try the debian wiki |
| 00:55.50 | dylan_ | already did |
| 00:55.51 | Supaplex | and man 5 interfaces |
| 00:55.56 | dylan_ | alrightey |
| 00:56.18 | Supaplex | nvz: uh you lost me there. what? :P |
| 00:56.44 | andrew2 | LDAP, LDAP, LDAP! Why won't it run? |
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| 00:57.00 | Supaplex | dylan_: barring all that, ship me a laptop with wifi and I'll work in it. >:) |
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| 00:57.17 | Supaplex | !tell andrew2 -about ldap |
| 00:57.25 | omri | what do you have to say about Zenoss? |
| 00:57.28 | dylan_ | Supaplex, sure. where do you live? |
| 00:57.29 | Supaplex | andrew2: ldap is like pulling teeth? :) |
| 00:57.34 | dylan_ | Supaplex, man, that was funnyt |
| 00:57.38 | andrew2 | ldap_bind: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) |
| 00:57.38 | dylan_ | funny with a t |
| 00:58.00 | andrew2 | Like pulling help from this forum. |
| 00:58.18 | nvz | Supaplex: you never read Carlo M. Cipolla, Professor of Economics, UC Berkeley's Basic Laws Of Human Stupidity from the Whole Earth Review, 1987 ? |
| 00:58.31 | Supaplex | andrew2: you assume we all use ldap on a daily basis. ldap is an enterprise playground toy. |
| 00:58.45 | nvz | Supaplex: the copyright holders (he died a few years ago) were bullying everyone to take it offline |
| 00:58.58 | nvz | you can't find the damn thing anywhere anymore |
| 00:58.58 | Supaplex | nvz: not yet. ahhh but you found snippets. |
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| 00:59.12 | nvz | na I found the whole damn think on the wayback machine |
| 00:59.13 | Supaplex | nvz: has the (C) expired yet? |
| 00:59.16 | nvz | from 1999 |
| 00:59.44 | Supaplex | andrew2: what's trying to use ldap anyway? pam? apache? radius? |
| 00:59.49 | nvz | Supaplex: it was all over the web just like two years ago.. it only recently started dissapearing |
| 00:59.59 | romano2k | hi! |
| 01:00.19 | romano2k | is there a way to manage two different resolutions on a dual screen config under debian with a nvidia gpu? |
| 01:00.31 | andrew2 | I guess I'll come back and try later. |
| 01:00.40 | Supaplex | romano2k: control alt + or control alt - |
| 01:00.47 | Simor | ? |
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| 01:01.11 | Supaplex | andrew2: mmm ok. belittle us, then giveup when I'm trying to figure it out. that'll work. |
| 01:01.28 | romano2k | Supaplex: my desktop is 2560x1024 in fact |
| 01:01.35 | romano2k | not 1280x1024 and then 1280x1024 |
| 01:01.57 | nvz | Supaplex: http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/stupidity/ see the b.s. there, then notice that archive.org has the document at that URL as late as last year at the end of May |
| 01:01.58 | Supaplex | romano2k: do you just want a different default resolution? |
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| 01:02.41 | romano2k | Supaplex: i'd like to have two independant screens |
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| 01:03.16 | romano2k | with 1280x960 on my crt, which is on the left |
| 01:03.20 | Supaplex | romano2k: as in monitors? |
| 01:03.22 | romano2k | and 1280x1024 on the lcd |
| 01:03.22 | Supaplex | ahh |
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| 01:04.01 | Supaplex | !Xinerama |
| 01:04.01 | dpkg | it has been said that xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
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| 01:04.17 | rxKaffee | where's the proper place in debian to set compiler flags for general(non-aptbuild) comiles? I have some flags to deal with my low-memory (--param ggc-min-heapsize=4096 -fno-inline) that I need to implement |
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| 01:05.10 | Supaplex | romano2k: I'll show you my config as a sample. I have an agp and a pci card, both nvidia chipsets, running two monitors. http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/xorg.conf |
| 01:05.22 | romano2k | thank you |
| 01:05.27 | dylan_ | is anyone here familiar with debian wireless who is willing to help me? |
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| 01:05.57 | Supaplex | dylan_: what kind of wireless device is it? usb? pci? pcmcia/cardbus? |
| 01:06.42 | black_13 | is the /etc/resolv.conf file cached someplace? |
| 01:06.44 | dylan_ | Supaplex, pcmcia |
| 01:06.54 | dylan_ | Supaplex, orinoco 802.11b |
| 01:07.56 | Supaplex | sudo lspcmcia |
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| 01:09.27 | Supaplex | dylan_: lsmod | grep orinoco_cs |
| 01:10.22 | dylan_ | found 5 things |
| 01:10.31 | dylan_ | orinoco_cs, orinoco, hermes, pcmcia, pcmcia_core |
| 01:10.32 | Supaplex | ok, so it's loaded. |
| 01:10.35 | dylan_ | yeah |
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| 01:10.45 | dylan_ | take note that this is my desktop, not my laptop |
| 01:10.49 | dylan_ | although i am working on both |
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| 01:11.19 | aeshyamae | hi all i am using deb2flash.py automatic debian installer for usbdrives....its currently set to download contents from net...how can i change the program to make it usemy debian dvd or so? |
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| 01:12.28 | aeshyamae | i mean the debootstrap section downloads contents from net....can i do that download from my DEBIAN DVD instead? |
| 01:12.33 | Supaplex | dylan_: anything like this in syslog? http://rafb.net/p/SvsEB879.html line 11 tells us which nic+mac address is assigned to the card. I happen to have the same card and a desktop that uses pcmcia (I didn't think about it until you mentioned pcmcia+orinoco) |
| 01:13.32 | Supaplex | aeshyamae: I'm not familar with that script, but you might want to review the install guide. It has some sections on other ways to install |
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| 01:14.20 | Supaplex | aeshyamae: did review the debootstrap man page to? |
| 01:14.35 | sunrises | hi all, where i can download the italian keyboard xkbd configuration file? |
| 01:14.59 | utopia | can anybody remember the name of that program that create's ascii art for you ? |
| 01:15.09 | Supaplex | dylan_: iwconfig whould show you to. (just ignore interfaces w/o wireless extensions) |
| 01:15.17 | Supaplex | utopia: aalib? |
| 01:15.36 | romano2k | Supaplex: i'm managing to change some things |
| 01:15.39 | dylan_ | Supaplex, eth0 ... what do you want to know from it |
| 01:15.52 | romano2k | but the links you gave me are talking of configurations with 2 video cards |
| 01:15.55 | romano2k | i've only one |
| 01:16.08 | Supaplex | dylan_: does ifconfig show it up? |
| 01:16.20 | utopia | Supaplex, the program i'm looking for might use that library.. =) |
| 01:16.29 | dylan_ | Supaplex, up? is there a status, "up" ? |
| 01:16.31 | Supaplex | dylan_: I don't know what /etc/network/interfaces needs for wireless... |
| 01:17.11 | Supaplex | dylan_: ifconfig. "RUNNING" (or all interfaces shown, when not using ifconfig -a) |
| 01:17.46 | dylan_ | UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric: 1 |
| 01:17.52 | Supaplex | utopia: I know there's a way to search on what packages depend on aalib (for example), but I don't recall how. |
| 01:18.28 | utopia | no worrie's i'll try googling it |
| 01:18.30 | alaya_ | sunrises: just reconfigure X and select the kb layout you want |
| 01:18.38 | Supaplex | dylan_: what happens when you "ifup eth0" ? |
| 01:18.52 | dylan_ | interface eth0 is already configured |
| 01:18.53 | alaya_ | !tell sunrises about drxx |
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| 01:19.17 | sunrises | alaya_: i need the xkbd file to load with loadkmap |
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| 01:20.34 | sunrises | alaya_: btw xkbd files are for X? mmm,,,loadkey is only for console? |
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| 01:21.29 | Supaplex | dylan_: what page did you use from the wiki? |
| 01:21.54 | dylan_ | Supaplex, wireless |
| 01:22.19 | Supaplex | dylan_: is the status light on? |
| 01:22.20 | witless | quick! - dovecot, courier, or cyrus? just to store my inbox in :-) |
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| 01:22.30 | Supaplex | I had to ifconfig 0.0.0.0 up |
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| 01:22.36 | Supaplex | I had to ifconfig eth2 0.0.0.0 up |
| 01:23.04 | Supaplex | witless: neither. local $MAIL needs no pop3/imap. |
| 01:23.23 | alaya_ | witless: i like dovecot as a simple local imap |
| 01:23.53 | romano2k | Supaplex: any idea? |
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| 01:24.02 | alaya_ | witless: lets me use any mail clients i want simultaneously without mbox locking or other issues |
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| 01:24.14 | dylan_ | Supaplex, status light is, but not activity |
| 01:24.35 | Supaplex | romano2k: it falls into a special category I call "got it working, never had to fix it again, and I forgot more than I learned now" :P |
| 01:25.16 | witless | currently i'm using cyrus, and i've used courier at work. dovecot is new to me, but i've heard some interesting things about it |
| 01:25.33 | romano2k | :) |
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| 01:26.20 | Supaplex | witless: I think dovecot leaked memory at my last workplace. got annoying restarting it every few days. (so we fixed it with a cronjob!) |
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| 01:26.57 | Supaplex | dylan_: I'm as lost as you. =) humm |
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| 01:28.14 | dylan_ | Supaplex, do i have to commit "iwconfig [x] commit" ? |
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| 01:29.26 | Supaplex | dylan_: does iwconfig show it's Mode:Managed ? btw, do you have tcpdump installed? |
| 01:29.52 | dylan_ | Supaplex, is that tcpd? |
| 01:29.59 | dylan_ | and yes, mode = managed |
| 01:30.20 | Guerin | no, tcpdump is tcpdump |
| 01:30.49 | dylan_ | Supaplex, i do not have tcpdump installed |
| 01:30.55 | dylan_ | wonder why. |
| 01:30.57 | dylan_ | do i need it? |
| 01:31.05 | Guerin | you might |
| 01:31.19 | Guerin | first of all, what access point are you trying to connect? |
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| 01:31.25 | Supaplex | you could monitor the connection. |
| 01:31.35 | Guerin | sanity checking comes first |
| 01:31.41 | Guerin | tcpdump is not fun |
| 01:31.42 | dylan_ | my ethernet wired card works just fine |
| 01:31.44 | dylan_ | this is really odd |
| 01:31.46 | Guerin | well, it is |
| 01:31.48 | Guerin | but not THAT much fun |
| 01:31.59 | Guerin | dylan_: just answer the questions |
| 01:32.03 | Guerin | dylan_: what access point? |
| 01:32.13 | Supaplex | well if it's not associated, it won't see anything. (maybe its own) |
| 01:32.18 | Orion_X11 | I want to connect to a machine outside my intranet through ssh > ssh user@ip But it says: no route to host |
| 01:32.56 | dylan_ | Guerin, RogersD |
| 01:33.04 | dylan_ | oh wait |
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| 01:33.07 | dylan_ | that's the essid |
| 01:33.08 | dylan_ | nevermind |
| 01:33.16 | dylan_ | the ap is a series of digits |
| 01:33.19 | Supaplex | Orion_X11: is it a public ip you're connecting to? |
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| 01:33.25 | dylan_ | oh well |
| 01:33.26 | dylan_ | thanks everyone |
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| 01:33.58 | Supaplex | the wireless section on the wiki needs help. :P but I'm no help. *sigh* |
| 01:34.09 | Orion_X11 | Supaplex: No. It is a friend ip in my street |
| 01:34.32 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:34.38 | Guerin | guess he didn't want help after all |
| 01:34.40 | Supaplex | Orion_X11: the public internet won't route private addresses. |
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| 01:34.58 | Supaplex | Guerin: I think he got tired |
| 01:35.09 | Guerin | some people need to harden up |
| 01:35.48 | Supaplex | Orion_X11: if he can port forward off his router to his machine, then maybe it's doable. |
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| 01:38.33 | alaya_ | or just reverse-tunnel back from the destination box |
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| 01:40.18 | Supaplex | he said he was on an intranet himself, so same challenge applies. |
| 01:40.25 | Supaplex | Orion_X11: try ipv6 :) hehe |
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| 01:41.11 | Supaplex | where in $diety's name is that power supply I wanted... humm |
| 01:41.38 | alaya_ | diety? as opposed to the bingey? :-) |
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| 01:42.11 | daquino | how do i reconfigure my display manager ? |
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| 01:43.08 | alaya_ | !drxx |
| 01:43.08 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 01:43.20 | alaya_ | oh display manager or X? |
| 01:44.16 | daquino | dm |
| 01:44.29 | Kerr | my root partition has remounted as read only :/ i use xmms as an alarm clock for work and it's 2:43 am, too late for dealing with that :/ how to i remount it ? |
| 01:44.37 | alaya_ | gdmconfig for that, kdm in kcontrol |
| 01:44.40 | Old_Fogie | Hi all, wondering if someone could point help me out. My debian 4 gnome automount's my usb external drive /dev/sda1 no problem. For some reason it does not allow me to right click remove it. I have to drop to cli and end my gdm session, then umount it as root. Do I need to setup sudo commands? Or maybe edit my fstab? |
| 01:45.11 | Old_Fogie | BTW I can open up Konqueror, while in gnome and as normal user remove it from kde's media io/slave. |
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| 01:45.28 | daquino | alaya_: i want to configure which one gets used |
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| 01:47.22 | Orion_X11 | Supaplex: So it means that cannot access his machine? |
| 01:47.30 | alaya_ | daquino: whichever one is installed. i would just de-install the one you don't want. or edit the rc level and K the one you don't want |
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| 01:47.53 | daquino | well there is a dpkg configure or something that does it |
| 01:48.34 | alaya_ | that too |
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| 01:48.52 | alaya_ | dpkg-reconfigure _dm |
| 01:48.55 | daqqa1 | hello there |
| 01:49.23 | daqqa1 | i'm trying to install debian amd 64, is that still on sarge? or is there etch for 64 also? |
| 01:49.29 | Guerin | etch |
| 01:49.35 | Guerin | no good reason to use sarge nowadays |
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| 01:49.45 | daqqa1 | ok |
| 01:49.46 | Old_Fogie | man this is wierd! thunar un-mount's the usb device too. |
| 01:50.39 | daqqa1 | i'll get a new netinstall then, i have the base system installed, could i just do a dist upgrade? after i get the sources corrceted |
| 01:50.57 | Guerin | daqqa1: sure thing |
| 01:51.23 | Guerin | daqqa1: but you can't easily change arches by dist-upgrade, so if you want amd64, you need to have it installed already |
| 01:51.35 | daqqa1 | Guerin: i was on http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html, they give me sarge and sid, you know where i can find etch sources |
| 01:51.59 | daqqa1 | Guerin: i have amd64 sarge installed |
| 01:52.00 | Guerin | daqqa1: etch has amd64 built-in, so just use an official etch source |
| 01:52.37 | daqqa1 | Guerin: ah nice, so it will figure out if it's i386 or 64? |
| 01:52.53 | daqqa1 | Guerin: i have etch netinstall |
| 01:53.09 | daqqa1 | so just use it then? |
| 01:53.29 | Guerin | um |
| 01:53.41 | Guerin | if you have 64-bit already, just dist-upgrade |
| 01:53.52 | Guerin | !tell daqqa1 about sarge->etch |
| 01:55.04 | daqqa1 | Guerin: i'll just start over with a clean install of etch, took me 2 minutes, so i can just use a etch cd on a amd64 |
| 01:55.08 | shwag | how do I allow a normal user to run a service on port 80 ? |
| 01:55.16 | Guerin | yes |
| 01:55.21 | Guerin | Supaplex: you don't. |
| 01:55.27 | Guerin | shwag: you don't, either. |
| 01:55.27 | daqqa1 | nice thanx Guerin |
| 01:55.41 | asg | shwag: what are you really trying to do? |
| 01:56.07 | shwag | asg: I am running a django development server, but I would like to do it on port 80 rather then 8000 so i dont have to type the port. |
| 01:56.28 | Supaplex | shwag: p authbind - Allows non-root programs to bind() to low ports |
| 01:56.30 | Guerin | shwag: then run it as root; or at least start the daemon as root and hand-off |
| 01:56.42 | asg | shwag: then have your administrator use iptables to forward port 80 requests to port 8000 |
| 01:56.58 | shwag | asg: or apache mod_redirect |
| 01:57.22 | asg | shwag: or just use lighttpd and fastcgi |
| 01:57.39 | shwag | Supaplex: how does authbind work ? |
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| 02:00.18 | Supaplex | shwag: install it, read the man pages. hell-if-I-know. oh yeah, PFM is how it works. |
| 02:00.21 | Supaplex | !pfm |
| 02:00.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, pfm is Pure Fucking Magic |
| 02:00.27 | Guerin | heh |
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| 02:00.58 | shwag | cool |
| 02:01.05 | asg | Guerin: mod_beer is installed by default |
| 02:01.05 | Guerin | especially since I just spent my life's savings on a ticket to see Bobby D |
| 02:01.10 | Guerin | asg: it sure is |
| 02:01.19 | asg | Guerin: wtf is bobby d? |
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| 02:01.46 | Guerin | asg: otherwise known as Robert Zimmerman |
| 02:01.58 | asg | Guerin: ahhhhhh |
| 02:01.59 | nvz | hmm I wonder why I can't use a workspace switcher in my gnome-panel |
| 02:02.14 | Guerin | !pal nvz for using gnome |
| 02:02.56 | miyako | I have a package sorta "stuck" in apt, it fails to unpack and install, and whenever I try to install or remove anything with apt-get, it tells me to run apt-get -f install, but when I do, the package fails again |
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| 02:03.16 | miyako | is there any sort of file I can edit to get it to forget about that file? |
| 02:03.31 | Guerin | miyako: post the output of aptitude -f install; |
| 02:03.32 | donaldo | divx player for iceweasel? |
| 02:03.34 | asg | miyako: you need to fix the broken bits by hacking the /var/lib/dpkg/info/<pkg>.{pre,post}{inst,rm} files |
| 02:03.34 | Guerin | !paster |
| 02:03.34 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 02:03.39 | nvz | Guerin: heh, I don't use gnome.. thats the problem I assume |
| 02:03.44 | miyako | asg: ah, ok |
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| 02:03.58 | asg | miyako: if you are using stable, file a bug also. |
| 02:04.02 | nvz | Guerin: some of the panel applets just die before loading cause I'm not actully using gnome |
| 02:04.07 | Guerin | donaldo: divx? The 1990s wants its shitty codec back. Use mplayer or something. |
| 02:04.20 | donaldo | Guerin: hey i didn't encode these videos |
| 02:04.23 | Guerin | nvz: heh, typical. |
| 02:04.29 | Old_Fogie | hmm, this seems to fix my issue: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/2948 anyone think this is a bad idea to use as my fix for longterm? |
| 02:04.38 | nvz | I normally just use my keyboard bindings to do everything.. but sometimes when I'm laying down and doing clicky stuff I rather have the panel there with a workspace switcher |
| 02:04.55 | miyako | hmm, aptitude managed to remove it |
| 02:04.59 | miyako | apt-get wouldn't |
| 02:05.08 | Guerin | miyako: aptitude is more betterer. |
| 02:05.10 | miyako | whew, thanks Guerin |
| 02:05.27 | nvz | Guerin: my session as of right now only has nautilus -n; gnome-settings-daemon; gnome-panel; sawfish.. which apparently is lacking something required for the workspace switcher applet to work |
| 02:05.36 | Guerin | um |
| 02:05.44 | Guerin | so, this might seem a stupid question, but |
| 02:05.45 | asg | Guerin: until it installs portmap for no reason whatsoever |
| 02:05.48 | Guerin | why don't you just run gnome? |
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| 02:06.02 | Guerin | asg: heh. Or uninstalls things for the same reason. |
| 02:06.02 | Supaplex | my goodness. how may freaking power cables do I actually have?!?!?! |
| 02:06.03 | asg | Guerin: this is nvz, he doesn't run gnome |
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| 02:06.10 | nvz | Guerin: cause I don't need the session manager, megashitty, or any of that other stuff |
| 02:06.19 | Guerin | asg: no, he just runs all its componment parts individually. |
| 02:06.42 | asg | Guerin: there's a certain tenacity at work, that's for sure |
| 02:06.49 | nvz | heh |
| 02:06.55 | Guerin | dogged determination to be his own man |
| 02:07.07 | Guerin | even if it means using gnome-settings-daemon |
| 02:07.10 | asg | he runs his own gnome and all others be damned |
| 02:07.30 | nvz | Guerin: if you don't run gnome-settings-daemon then the nautilus desktop has no icons |
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| 02:07.39 | Guerin | nvz: that seems ideal to me |
| 02:07.43 | nvz | Guerin: heh |
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| 02:07.59 | nvz | Guerin: well what I mean is they are all those little blank paper icons |
| 02:08.05 | Guerin | my desktop is currently #00000000 |
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| 02:08.21 | nvz | my desktop is currently one of my many debian wallpapers |
| 02:08.22 | Guerin | nvz: nautilus --no-desktop |
| 02:08.23 | asg | Guerin: that's beyond black |
| 02:08.24 | miyako | stupid eye-candy addiction |
| 02:08.34 | Guerin | in fact |
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| 02:08.41 | nvz | Guerin: I run nautilus -n, which is no windows, just desktop |
| 02:08.45 | jetscreamer | so your desktop is a screenshot of your desktop |
| 02:08.47 | Guerin | my terminals are #000000 too |
| 02:08.59 | Guerin | jetscreamer: it's recursive as you like |
| 02:09.11 | Guerin | nvz: wtf. |
| 02:09.21 | jetscreamer | the mirror effect |
| 02:09.26 | miyako | night all |
| 02:09.27 | jetscreamer | syndrome paradox |
| 02:09.28 | miyako | thanks again |
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| 02:09.53 | nvz | Guerin: idk its easy to get to my files when I need to visually manipulate em.. |
| 02:10.35 | Supaplex | !beer Guerin |
| 02:10.41 | Guerin | arr |
| 02:10.45 | asg | nvz: your last statement sounds like a commercial for Microsoft Easy Porn Producer |
| 02:10.54 | jetscreamer | !joint guerin |
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| 02:11.03 | Guerin | irie, mon |
| 02:11.06 | jetscreamer | ah i wondered if there was one of those |
| 02:11.21 | Guerin | but I man a-gotta get 'im in de univer'sty book |
| 02:11.36 | nvz | asg: heh.. whatever that means |
| 02:11.49 | asg | nvz: don't listen to me, I never make sense |
| 02:12.10 | Guerin | i have arse-length hair, and people always ask me why I don't get it dreaded |
| 02:12.15 | Guerin | this is a stupid question |
| 02:12.22 | asg | Guerin: you wash it, of course |
| 02:12.23 | Guerin | since it's a one-way transition |
| 02:12.24 | jetscreamer | i cut my hair like that off |
| 02:12.46 | jetscreamer | too hot |
| 02:13.03 | dureyes | when I insert a dvd movie, totem starts but can not play the movie because of missing plugin...the xine applicatiton can play dvd movies, what I like to know how can I make the xine the default playing application for movies? |
| 02:13.24 | Guerin | jetscreamer: heh, but not as hot as dreads |
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| 02:13.40 | Guerin | dureyes: nuke them both and use vlc |
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| 02:13.58 | Guerin | dureyes: i presume you're using gnome - you can probably set it in gnome-control-center |
| 02:14.04 | jetscreamer | dureyes: in gnome settings, see also update-alternatives.. easiest just to uninstall whatever it is you don't use though |
| 02:14.21 | jetscreamer | yeh gnome control center or whatever |
| 02:14.41 | dureyes | Great will try that it out.... |
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| 02:19.53 | jetscreamer | how do i remove a user from a group |
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| 02:21.44 | jetscreamer | If called with two non-option arguments, deluser will remove a user from a specific group |
| 02:21.46 | Kobaz | allrightey... anyone good with md |
| 02:21.47 | Kobaz | md: invalid raid superblock magic on sda5 |
| 02:21.48 | Kobaz | md: sda5 has invalid sb, not importing! |
| 02:21.59 | Kobaz | i get that on boot, but i can start the array manually without any problems |
| 02:22.04 | jetscreamer | so deluser user group i reckon |
| 02:22.06 | Kobaz | mdadm -A ... etc |
| 02:22.22 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 02:28.46 | doms | (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 192.168.1.20:80 |
| 02:28.47 | doms | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
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| 02:29.06 | Supaplex | doms: netstat -tnl | grep 80 |
| 02:29.37 | Kobaz | fuser -n tcp 80 |
| 02:29.39 | Kobaz | also is nice |
| 02:29.49 | Kobaz | and a bit faster |
| 02:30.02 | Kobaz | and will tell you which process has it open |
| 02:30.09 | doms | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 02:30.17 | Supaplex | netstat has -p to. :) |
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| 02:30.33 | Kobaz | doms: that would do it |
| 02:30.56 | abrotman | doesn't say what it is though |
| 02:31.24 | doms | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 8916/apache |
| 02:31.39 | Supaplex | run /etc/init.d/apache stop :) |
| 02:31.40 | abrotman | use the fuser command |
| 02:32.10 | doms | stop ok |
| 02:32.19 | dub | what timezone is ftp.debian.org in? |
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| 02:33.00 | nvz | my debian wallpaper images I spoke of earlier.. I just ran a one-liner to make a thumbnail gallery page out of them using ls, cp, echo, and mogrify.. heh http://24.3.200.17/debian/debian.htm |
| 02:33.33 | abrotman | dub: there are multiple |
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| 02:34.19 | gpm | what's with the bsd-girl one? |
| 02:34.34 | nvz | I found them all online I didnt make em |
| 02:34.48 | gpm | oh |
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| 02:34.52 | nvz | there is one that says Debian 3.0.. so they are old |
| 02:34.59 | nvz | I havent updated my wallpapers file in a long time |
| 02:35.09 | nvz | I got another file with cars in it that is pretty decent |
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| 02:36.01 | Kobaz | ooo a debian chick |
| 02:36.15 | Kobaz | anyways |
| 02:36.23 | Kobaz | md... anyone? |
| 02:36.44 | azeem | md? |
| 02:36.55 | abrotman | Kobaz: yes .. nvz is a girl! |
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| 02:37.10 | Kobaz | well i was more talking about the background |
| 02:37.21 | Kobaz | yeah... md |
| 02:37.26 | Kobaz | md: invalid raid superblock magic on sda5 |
| 02:38.08 | Kobaz | http://24.3.200.17/debian/debian029.jpg |
| 02:38.10 | Kobaz | debian chick |
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| 02:39.12 | Kobaz | azeem: i can mdadm -A the array just fine... but on boot when the kernel tries to do it by itself... it barfs |
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| 02:40.18 | Kobaz | anyone know if there is a good way to reinit the superblock nicely |
| 02:40.34 | doms | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 02:41.06 | Supaplex | Kobaz: got backups? :) |
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| 02:41.23 | Supaplex | doms: after you stop apache, is anything on port 80? |
| 02:41.28 | Kobaz | it's a mirror of an existing box |
| 02:41.29 | Kobaz | so yeah |
| 02:41.47 | nvz | The cars pix I have are here http://24.3.200.17/cars/cars.htm |
| 02:41.53 | Kobaz | Supaplex: mdadm -A doesn't complain at all, which is weird |
| 02:41.57 | doms | yes |
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| 02:42.08 | nvz | note I only start apache when I am showing someone something so this stuff won't always be available |
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| 02:42.28 | Kobaz | # mdadm --assemble /dev/md3 /dev/sda8 /dev/sdb8 |
| 02:42.28 | Kobaz | mdadm: /dev/md3 has been started with 2 drives. |
| 02:42.37 | Kobaz | just dandy |
| 02:42.51 | Supaplex | doms: killall apahce ; echo $? ; sleep 15 ; killall -9 apache ; echo $? |
| 02:43.21 | Kobaz | Supaplex: zero superblock probably wouldn't be good |
| 02:43.34 | Kobaz | Supaplex: but i dont see any other options to do much with the superblock |
| 02:43.58 | doms | apahce: no process killed |
| 02:43.59 | doms | 1 |
| 02:43.59 | doms | 0 |
| 02:44.02 | Supaplex | Kobaz: I have no clue about your md situation. I was just hoping you had a backup before you experiment |
| 02:44.11 | Kobaz | Supaplex: oh, yeah. heh |
| 02:44.21 | Supaplex | doms: I did a typo, my bad. |
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| 02:44.51 | Supaplex | !typosmite Supaplex's irssi client |
| 02:45.14 | Kobaz | ideally i would like to get this thing booting properly by the weekend |
| 02:45.25 | doms | doms: ahah |
| 02:45.56 | Supaplex | Kobaz: what's the bootup error re raid? |
| 02:46.09 | Supaplex | what hits did you find from google? |
| 02:46.19 | doms | (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 192.168.1.20:81 |
| 02:46.19 | doms | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 02:46.40 | Kobaz | well |
| 02:46.42 | Kobaz | google gives me like |
| 02:46.46 | Supaplex | doms: what are you doing? you're tallented at getting that error. |
| 02:46.56 | Kobaz | everyone who has a fscked array and can't assemble the thing at all |
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| 02:47.06 | Kobaz | and people wind up doing a zero-superblock and redoing everything |
| 02:47.09 | pestilence | is there an open source flv player (something I can embed into a webpage and stream video from my server)? |
| 02:47.17 | Kobaz | which is what i would not like to do |
| 02:47.47 | Supaplex | Kobaz: how big is the superblock? why's it busted? |
| 02:48.03 | Kobaz | superblock is umm. i dunno |
| 02:48.05 | doms | i want to run my php in apache so my browser firefox can see a php info |
| 02:48.05 | Kobaz | something |
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| 02:48.23 | Kobaz | /dev/sda8: |
| 02:48.24 | Kobaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.24 | Kobaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.38 | Kobaz | the superblock looks okay according to --examine |
| 02:48.42 | doms | i did all the installation apache mysql-server php5 libache2-mod-php phpmyadmin |
| 02:48.50 | Kobaz | the magic matches what i have on other boxes |
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| 02:50.36 | Supaplex | doms: let me guess, php wants you to download? |
| 02:50.57 | doms | yup your right |
| 02:50.59 | Supaplex | !tell doms about php wants me to download still |
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| 02:51.55 | doms | thank you very much supaplex i'am far from world so accept my bad english |
| 02:51.58 | Supaplex | doms: lucky for you, it's a FAQ. your symptoms were lacking. |
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| 02:52.13 | Supaplex | your english is ok. the symtoms were missing. |
| 02:52.14 | dub | is there a reliably current mirror in a known tz or a better way to check how stale another mirror is? |
| 02:52.18 | Supaplex | symptoms* |
| 02:52.40 | doms | thanks you very much supalex i just read all about the Doc that you give me |
| 02:52.59 | Guerin | doms: wtf |
| 02:53.10 | doms | page cannot be found |
| 02:53.13 | Guerin | doms: no official mirror is more than a few hours out of date\ |
| 02:53.31 | Guerin | yeh\ |
| 02:53.34 | Guerin | him too |
| 02:53.52 | dub | Guerin, still a usefull thing to be able to check? if you are running into staleness |
| 02:54.05 | Guerin | dub: no. Are you running into staleness? |
| 02:54.22 | dub | Guerin, it appears so |
| 02:54.26 | Guerin | dub: then use an official mirror. |
| 02:54.29 | Guerin | !katie |
| 02:54.30 | dpkg | katie is, like, history |
| 02:54.33 | Guerin | grr |
| 02:54.36 | Guerin | !britney |
| 02:54.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, britney is ftp://ftp.debian.org (and mirrors) uses a rather complex set of scripts to keep it all running with new package updates and such. britney is the script responsible for migrating things from 'unstable' to 'testing'. See also <girls>, <katie>. |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | !girls |
| 02:54.40 | dpkg | what runs the pool system and testing and various other parts of the debian distribution. read about them at http://cvs.debian.org/dak/docs/README.names?rev=1.22&cvsroot=dak&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 02:54.41 | dub | Guerin, get better answers |
| 02:54.50 | Guerin | dub: get more brains |
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| 02:54.56 | dub | its an official mirror |
| 02:55.15 | Guerin | dub: how stale is it? And which mirror? |
| 02:55.41 | dub | did you just ask how stale it is? |
| 02:55.51 | doms | Supaplex: were i can the document that coz my firefox wants me to download the php test program |
| 02:55.57 | Guerin | dub: it would appear you can read |
| 02:56.03 | dub | i'll leave this always frustrates me |
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| 02:56.08 | doms | Supaplex: were i can find the document that coz my firefox wants me to download the php test program |
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| 02:56.15 | Guerin | !customer |
| 02:56.15 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 02:56.46 | Kobaz | a, s, d, and f |
| 02:57.00 | abrotman | doms: clear your browser cache and restart it |
| 02:57.17 | Supaplex | doms: I use GET ... | less to test. no caching. :) |
| 02:57.24 | doms | anybody have a .htaccess problem |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:57.33 | Guerin | doms: you? |
| 02:57.39 | Supaplex | lol |
| 02:58.12 | Supaplex | doms: if there's another language you understand better, chances are there is a debian channel for it. |
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| 02:58.39 | Kobaz | oooo |
| 02:58.42 | Kobaz | i found something |
| 02:58.49 | Supaplex | Kobaz: like? |
| 02:58.50 | Kobaz | apparently this is a problem with 1.0 superblocks |
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| 02:59.12 | Kobaz | i have version 0.90 superblocks on other boxes running fine |
| 02:59.17 | Kobaz | this guy is having the same problem with 1.0 |
| 02:59.30 | Kobaz | http://www.issociate.de/board/post/277868/Booting_from_raid1_--_md:_invalid_raid_superblock_magic_on_sdb1.html |
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| 03:01.14 | Kobaz | mmm |
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| 03:04.33 | Kobaz | it would be easier if i could downgrade the superblock to a previous version |
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| 03:05.57 | doms | oh god after i clearing my broswer cache my apache doesnt work anymore |
| 03:06.42 | doms | http://localhost/testphp.php but still download this php file |
| 03:07.21 | Supaplex | doms: which php packages did you install? Is it a CGI? |
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| 03:08.41 | doms | nope i just want to test the phpinfo |
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| 03:10.10 | abrotman | doms: clear your browser cache and restart it |
| 03:10.22 | Supaplex | !php |
| 03:10.22 | dpkg | somebody said php was #php or http://www.php.net/. Common installation methods include libapache-mod-php4(for apache1), libapache2-mod-php4(for apache2), php4-cli(CGI). PHP5 now in etch/sid. Don't forget to read http://www.php-security.org and http://www.hardened-php.net - use php4-suhosin/php5-suhosin, or see [php wants me to download still] |
| 03:10.24 | doms | yes i done doing that |
| 03:10.35 | abrotman | doms:which versin of apache ? |
| 03:10.38 | doms | but my browser still download php file |
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| 03:11.24 | crapstick | JIHAAAAAD! |
| 03:11.25 | crapstick | DCC SEND C:\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ |
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| 03:11.42 | doms | apache is 1.3.34 and apache2 is 2.2.3 |
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| 03:11.43 | abrotman | !ops crapstick is a fucktard |
| 03:11.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: crapstick is a fucktard |
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| 03:11.51 | abrotman | doms: which one .. not both |
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| 03:12.11 | doms | abrotman: apache is 1.3.34 and apache2 is 2.2.3 |
| 03:12.15 | abrotman | doms: which one .. not both |
| 03:12.22 | abrotman | doms: which one is installed |
| 03:12.31 | abrotman | thanks staff!!! |
| 03:12.35 | doms | those two packe is installed in my machine |
| 03:12.38 | abrotman | no they aren't |
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| 03:13.01 | doms | shoud i uninstall one of them |
| 03:13.14 | abrotman | no .. find out which is actually running |
| 03:13.30 | doms | how do i command that in terminal |
| 03:13.47 | doms | to identify which one is running |
| 03:15.09 | Supaplex | doms: cd /etc/init.d/ ; ls apache* |
| 03:15.24 | doms | i see in the services settings that Web Server (apache2) and Web Server (apache) is both running on the service |
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| 03:16.54 | doms | abrotman: the two apache is both running? |
| 03:16.59 | abrotman | no |
| 03:17.18 | doms | abrotman: do i need to uninstall one of them |
| 03:17.27 | abrotman | no .. only one is running |
| 03:17.46 | doms | abrotman: which package shoud i uninstall or stop |
| 03:18.00 | Supaplex | keep apache2, dump apache. |
| 03:18.49 | doms | Supaplex: can i use synaptic to uninstall apache and keep my apache2 |
| 03:18.58 | Supaplex | yes |
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| 03:19.09 | Supaplex | only because it's a package manager! |
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| 03:19.56 | Magui | lol...just caught the line where crapstick says jihad, pretends to start a DCC send, and some chatters get disconnected right afterwards. good stuff:). |
| 03:20.38 | Supaplex | Magui: yeah? kids going through puberty do that |
| 03:20.50 | Magui | Supaplex: :) |
| 03:21.11 | doms | /etc/init.d# ls apache* its clear that i done uninstall the apache and my apache2 still in init.d |
| 03:21.38 | doms | Supaplex: # ls apache* its clear that i done uninstall the apache and my apache2 still in init.d |
| 03:21.43 | Magui | well, by itself he wasn't that funny...just the ppl whose connection got reset right afterwards...combined with his lines, that brought a smile to my face:0. |
| 03:21.48 | Supaplex | doms: init.d files are config files. they're not removed unless you purge the package. |
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| 03:21.57 | Magui | itself = himself |
| 03:22.19 | Supaplex | Magui: so you sympathise with cracking exploits huh? |
| 03:22.42 | Magui | Supaplex: huh? what, you mean he actually did that? |
| 03:23.01 | Supaplex | Magui: some routers have bugs with DCC stuff like that. |
| 03:23.12 | doms | Supaplex: the apache is succeslly uninstall and i'am that the apache2 is the only one running under my services |
| 03:23.14 | Supaplex | routers/firewalls/software/etc |
| 03:23.21 | Magui | Supaplex: oh. hadn't heard of it. |
| 03:23.58 | Magui | thought it was just an irc coincidence. |
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| 03:24.13 | doms | Supaplex: but still i have no luck to view the php info script in my firefox broswer |
| 03:24.32 | Supaplex | doms: we'll have to do one thing at a time here. 1m. |
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| 03:25.41 | Supaplex | doms: run dpkg -l libapache-mod-php{4,5} libapache2-mod-php{4,5} php{4,5}-cli 2>/dev/null |
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| 03:27.30 | doms | Supaplex: how can i show you the ouput? something like pastebin |
| 03:27.30 | Supaplex | Magui: that's why he was k-lined |
| 03:27.41 | Supaplex | doms: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 03:27.46 | doms | Supaplex: thanks |
| 03:27.48 | Kobaz | hmm |
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| 03:29.00 | Supaplex | Kobaz: having fun yet? |;o) |
| 03:29.04 | Kobaz | yeah... i need a minumal su |
| 03:29.16 | Supaplex | su to bloated? |
| 03:29.19 | Supaplex | too* |
| 03:29.22 | Magui | Supaplex: oh. I just put that down to him typing random garbage. guess it wasn't that random. |
| 03:29.24 | Kobaz | something that doesn't use any dependencies |
| 03:29.33 | Kobaz | it can't use locales or anything |
| 03:29.38 | Kobaz | i think busybox might do the trick |
| 03:29.45 | Kobaz | Supaplex: no it loads external files, heh |
| 03:29.49 | doms | Supaplex: http://rafb.net/p/ZoEywO83.html |
| 03:30.04 | Supaplex | Kobaz: there's a few static tools like that |
| 03:30.15 | Kobaz | but static isnt enough |
| 03:30.20 | Kobaz | it can't load any other files |
| 03:30.40 | Kobaz | su 2308 root mem REG 9,2 1441376 41336 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive |
| 03:30.42 | Supaplex | doms: fantastic. you're using ubuntu. |
| 03:30.43 | Kobaz | that's not good |
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| 03:30.47 | Supaplex | !based on |
| 03:30.47 | dpkg | Your distribution uses <apt>, but is not officialy Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> to name a few. |
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| 03:31.00 | mrynit | is there a debian store to buy tshirts and other items? |
| 03:31.14 | Supaplex | Kobaz: ramdisk? tmpfs? |
| 03:31.24 | Kobaz | heh |
| 03:31.27 | Kobaz | trying to umount /usr |
| 03:31.44 | Kobaz | su is the last thing i need to fix |
| 03:31.50 | Kobaz | that's the last process using /usr |
| 03:31.51 | Supaplex | Kobaz: ohhh. you're local to the box, right? |
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| 03:31.55 | Kobaz | hah no |
| 03:32.01 | Kobaz | if i was this would be easy |
| 03:32.11 | Kobaz | i would boot knoppix |
| 03:32.16 | Supaplex | Kobaz: what else is using /usr ? |
| 03:32.18 | Kobaz | and fix this rather quickly |
| 03:32.23 | Kobaz | that's it, just su |
| 03:32.27 | Kobaz | i'm copying over busybox |
| 03:32.38 | Supaplex | Kobaz: so you ran su already? |
| 03:32.43 | Kobaz | well it's running |
| 03:32.45 | Kobaz | but it's using /use |
| 03:32.47 | Supaplex | if you su from / it might work better. |
| 03:32.49 | Kobaz | usr so i cant unmount it |
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| 03:32.57 | doms | Supaplex: do you have any suggestion about the ouput |
| 03:32.58 | Kobaz | su is in /sbin |
| 03:33.11 | Kobaz | it loads locales from /usr/lib |
| 03:33.23 | Supaplex | doms: ask #ubuntu |
| 03:34.13 | doms | Supaplex: i've already ther but they not entertaining me :) |
| 03:34.22 | Supaplex | doms: install debian |
| 03:35.35 | Kobaz | $ fuser -m /usr |
| 03:35.35 | Kobaz | $ |
| 03:35.36 | Kobaz | bing |
| 03:35.51 | Supaplex | Kobaz: what's the magic trick? :) |
| 03:35.57 | Kobaz | busybox |
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| 03:36.03 | Supaplex | spiffy |
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| 03:37.11 | doms | Supaplex: pls if you have an idea help me |
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| 03:37.27 | Supaplex | !tell doms -about based on debian |
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| 03:38.16 | Supaplex | !tell doms -about based on Debian caveats |
| 03:39.06 | doms | Supaplex: thanks for the advice |
| 03:39.12 | Supaplex | np. good luck |
| 03:39.26 | doms | Supaplex: but i impress what your talking about |
| 03:40.53 | Kobaz | mmm |
| 03:40.56 | Kobaz | hah |
| 03:41.05 | Kobaz | even umount was trying to use usr |
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| 03:41.13 | Kobaz | unset LANG did the trick |
| 03:41.19 | Kobaz | $ ./umount /usr |
| 03:41.19 | Kobaz | $ |
| 03:41.20 | Kobaz | sexy |
| 03:41.33 | Kobaz | allrightey, now to fix the raid array |
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| 03:43.13 | drwahl_ | i am running on an AMD Athlon 64 X2, but i do not believe that the kernel installed supports the dual core. is there anyway of checking if the kernel is using both cores? |
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| 03:44.14 | Kobaz | drwahl_: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:44.48 | drwahl_ | it looks like it only detects one core |
| 03:45.24 | drwahl_ | would apt-get instal kernel-image-2.6-686-smp fix it? |
| 03:46.41 | Kobaz | it would |
| 03:47.08 | drwahl_ | ok, lemme give that a shot. i will most likely be back :) thanks for the info |
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| 03:48.23 | Ugami | finally |
| 03:48.38 | Kobaz | oooo |
| 03:48.49 | Kobaz | okay |
| 03:48.58 | Kobaz | this should be easy to fix Supaplex |
| 03:49.14 | Kobaz | i did --zero-superblock and recreated the array with a version 0.90 superblock |
| 03:49.27 | Kobaz | so now i just have to do /home |
| 03:49.28 | Kobaz | and / |
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| 03:50.56 | Kobaz | do de do de do |
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| 03:56.03 | quitte | morning. do the amd64 install cds for etch work on an imac? |
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| 03:57.22 | feld | can someone give me an analogy for Debian Sid? Is it as nuts as running ~x86 Gentoo? Running Ubuntu Gutsy? Or less crazy/breakage as those? |
| 03:58.49 | Kobaz | sid is nice |
| 03:58.53 | quitte | feld: it's unstable. might break at any time, and often does |
| 03:58.59 | daqqa1 | i downloaded the multi-arch net install, is it boot amd64- to install amd64? it's installing but i can't tell if it's installing amd64 or i386 |
| 03:59.03 | Kobaz | it doesn't break if you dont upgrade |
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| 03:59.37 | feld | How is Lenny in comparison to Sid right now? |
| 04:00.20 | quitte | feld: Lenny gets the packages that have been in sid for a few days without big bugs |
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| 04:00.58 | feld | so Lenny is actually more sane... less likely to have MAJOR breakage, huh |
| 04:01.01 | braunkraut | anybody here familiar with the debian etch mysql5 init scripts? |
| 04:01.34 | Supaplex | pg > mysql |
| 04:01.50 | braunkraut | thanks for the tip Supa |
| 04:01.57 | quitte | feld: right. |
| 04:02.23 | Supaplex | braunkraut: hehe :) one of my boxes use mysql5. what do you want to know? |
| 04:02.47 | feld | quitte: interesting. I'm trying to decide what I want to replace Feisty with on my desktop. It's not favorable. |
| 04:03.07 | Penix | feld: compared to Ubuntu's unstable equivalent, sid's probably more conservative with things like gnome etc. |
| 04:03.08 | braunkraut | I changed the data directory and now I'm logging following message |
| 04:03.16 | braunkraut | Can't find data directory. Please restart with --datadir=path-to-writable-data-dir |
| 04:03.17 | Penix | feld: not as bleeding edge |
| 04:03.28 | braunkraut | /etc/mysql/debian-start triggers it |
| 04:03.36 | Supaplex | braunkraut: is the data dir writeable? |
| 04:03.38 | braunkraut | I have no clue what in debian-start calls it |
| 04:03.47 | braunkraut | it is for mysql and root |
| 04:03.50 | braunkraut | obviously |
| 04:03.56 | Supaplex | braunkraut: odd. I thought it would be /etc/init.d/ |
| 04:04.12 | braunkraut | I thought it was init.d at first |
| 04:04.15 | braunkraut | but it isn't |
| 04:04.32 | braunkraut | even went as far as changing the datadir variable not to use the function that determines datadir |
| 04:04.52 | braunkraut | I don't see anything in debian-start that would take data-dir as an argument |
| 04:05.10 | Supaplex | braunkraut: radius2:/etc/rc2.d# ls *mysql* |
| 04:05.10 | Supaplex | S17mysql-ndb-mgm S18mysql-ndb S20mysql |
| 04:05.22 | braunkraut | ... |
| 04:05.24 | quitte | feld: why do you think you need bleeding edge stuff? etch has been stable for just a few weeks |
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| 04:06.20 | braunkraut | because newer is better |
| 04:06.26 | Supaplex | !sns syndrome |
| 04:06.26 | dpkg | [sns syndrome] a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 04:06.33 | braunkraut | :) |
| 04:07.05 | Supaplex | newer is buggier by far. :P |
| 04:07.10 | feld | quitte: preference of certain versions of software |
| 04:07.12 | braunkraut | I was being facetious anyway |
| 04:07.18 | quitte | oh yes. i was totally excited about buybox 1.6.0 |
| 04:07.28 | braunkraut | backport? |
| 04:07.37 | feld | quitte: I have etch in a virtual machine that i've played with |
| 04:07.37 | Supaplex | !tell braunkraut -about backports |
| 04:08.12 | Supaplex | braunkraut: my bad, if you didn't want that. |
| 04:08.46 | quitte | feld: use backports. or make your own backport of exactly the pieces of software you prefer having the latest shiney version of |
| 04:08.48 | braunkraut | hmm, I wonder if it's mysql-check |
| 04:09.02 | Supaplex | braunkraut: where did you change the data-dir to anyway? |
| 04:09.28 | feld | You have to consider I come from the other direction. i ran gentoo for years... which I'm through with. I like(d) ubuntu, but Feisty is turning to crap. I also hate seeing $software have repos available in several Debian flavors, and only old versions of Ubuntu hah |
| 04:10.13 | Penix | feld: I come across the opposite a lot. ubuntu repo's and no debian |
| 04:10.14 | braunkraut | Supaplex: /usr/local/lib/mysql |
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| 04:10.24 | Penix | feld: probably what made me switch one of my boxes years ago |
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| 04:10.50 | Penix | hmm. bit ' happy |
| 04:10.51 | feld | I dont like the way Ubuntu has been running things lately. Very poorly, to be frank. |
| 04:11.10 | Penix | feld: then do whatever you think suits your needs |
| 04:11.17 | Supaplex | feld: you can run sid with reasonable stability, if you understand <bts>, <pinning>, <downgrade> and <apt-listbugs>, and you don't whine like a 3yr old everytime something breaks. :) |
| 04:11.26 | feld | yeah... :) |
| 04:11.32 | Penix | feld: if you see ubuntu turning in to something that doesn't fit your requirements in the future, then, yeah, consider switching maybe |
| 04:11.56 | feld | there's just too much broken stuff that gets through Ubuntu's "stable" releases |
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| 04:12.05 | Penix | feld: then sid's probably not for you |
| 04:12.06 | feld | and I have seen many examples of where Debian had that crap fixed already |
| 04:12.27 | Penix | feld: if you're willing to put up with occasional annoyances, it could work out |
| 04:12.36 | quitte | whats that dpkg thing with simple backporting instructions? |
| 04:12.37 | feld | Penix: I dont mind if something breaks, but when it takes MONTHS to fix the simplest thing, it's kinda annoying. |
| 04:12.45 | Supaplex | !tell quitte -about simple sid backport |
| 04:12.47 | braunkraut | Supaplex: adding datadir to /etc/mysql/debian.cnf fixed it |
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| 04:13.09 | Supaplex | braunkraut: oh, not my.cnf? |
| 04:13.19 | Penix | feld: yeah. that's a good example though. depends what it is ofcourse, but sometimes it *can* take months and it *does* get frustrating |
| 04:13.34 | Penix | feld: eventually you have to take things in to your own hands sometimes until an official fix is in place |
| 04:13.45 | braunkraut | Supaplex: apparently mysqlcheck and mysql_upgrade don't care about /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 04:13.49 | Penix | feld: but, personally, it's only ever been relatively trivial stuff for me |
| 04:14.02 | braunkraut | Supaplex: hence /etc/mysql/debian-start logging the message |
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| 04:14.08 | braunkraut | strange |
| 04:14.11 | Penix | feld: ofcourse, it depends on your general experience level etc. |
| 04:14.11 | Supaplex | humm ok. |
| 04:14.34 | Penix | feld: but, well....gentoo. I'd image you've experienced some breakage before ;) |
| 04:14.42 | braunkraut | that seems like a minor bug |
| 04:15.07 | feld | I have no issue fixing stuff, compiling, whatever. I've been running linux in some form for quite a few years now... especially with Gentoo.. There was a lot of interesting breakage that taught a lot. Which was nice, but I'm through with compiling _everything_ and having no standardized packages. |
| 04:15.20 | Supaplex | !gentoosmite feld |
| 04:15.21 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 04:15.33 | feld | hah :) |
| 04:16.14 | braunkraut | feld: feel the same exact way. it was neat to go at the gentoo install from scratch, but annoying as hell to maintain |
| 04:16.22 | feld | braunkraut: indeed |
| 04:16.46 | Penix | feld: in that aspect, you might have to sometimes download the debian source for a package and modify it, but 99% of the time, you'll still be able to rebuild it as a proper package and your system *should* act like nothing happened |
| 04:16.49 | feld | haha my Etch vmware install is screwed up. My user cant sudo |
| 04:17.04 | braunkraut | I've been using debian going on 6 years now, couldn't be happier |
| 04:17.07 | feld | Penix: yeah I build packages all the time in Ubuntu. |
| 04:17.29 | quitte | feld: that's normal behaviour if you choose to set a root password in the installer |
| 04:17.31 | cast | feld: that was quick, you were using visudo and haven't screwed up PAM? |
| 04:17.43 | braunkraut | cast: huh? |
| 04:18.20 | feld | cast: no this virtual machine is weeks old. havent touched it in a long time. |
| 04:18.22 | quitte | cast: yes, huh? |
| 04:18.43 | feld | cast: i cant remember how it was setup. but i cant sudo "youre not in the sudoers file" but in gnome privilege escalation works haha |
| 04:18.54 | cast | did i miss something here? |
| 04:19.16 | quitte | feld: in debian the gksu uses the root password by default. |
| 04:19.23 | Penix | feld: it really depends on how closely you track things too. if you manage to catch sid at a good time and have a well configured, sort of 'snapshot', you're probably gonna run in to less trouble |
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| 04:19.53 | feld | Penix: i'll end up with update addiction and trash my system, so I'll stay away from sid |
| 04:19.54 | Penix | feld: then when you're ready to brave the storm, make note of whats what before upgrading/breaking everything |
| 04:19.59 | Penix | feld: hehe. yeah |
| 04:20.06 | Supaplex | !greenhouse |
| 04:20.06 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 04:20.16 | Penix | feld: it's less tempting on something like dialup |
| 04:20.27 | feld | Penix: 10/10 fiber here =/ |
| 04:20.40 | Penix | feld: ah. now I see |
| 04:20.51 | feld | argh brainfart |
| 04:21.02 | feld | what's that command that you can use to automatically switch ttys for you |
| 04:21.09 | feld | equivalent to ctrl+alt+f1 or whatever |
| 04:21.11 | Supaplex | switchto ? |
| 04:21.17 | quitte | feld: chvt? |
| 04:21.22 | feld | chvt! |
| 04:21.47 | Supaplex | humm I think switchto is the oldername (or maybe redhatish) |
| 04:21.49 | Penix | surprisingly, after ~5-6 years of dialup use and only just this year switching to dsl, I've found I ran unstable/current versions more back then |
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| 04:22.33 | feld | i like my fiber but i'll hate letting it go when i move sometime in the future |
| 04:22.33 | Spyro_boy | Hello. |
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| 04:22.53 | Spyro_boy | I was able to run my 32bit applications under 64bit but it seems that I cannot do that any longer. |
| 04:22.59 | Spyro_boy | Does anyone have any idea why? |
| 04:23.08 | Penix | that's one of the reasons I put it off for so long |
| 04:23.15 | Penix | I know I won't be able to go back to dialup now |
| 04:23.17 | Spyro_boy | I run Debian AMD64 Lenny/Sid |
| 04:23.22 | Supaplex | send me a 64bit box, and I'll figure it out. :P |
| 04:23.29 | Spyro_boy | :/ |
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| 04:24.01 | Gigantic | *roar |
| 04:24.18 | Supaplex | rawr! |
| 04:24.33 | cast | Spyro_boy: #debian-amd64 perhaps, i don't know as i run stable :) |
| 04:25.02 | braunkraut | hehe |
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| 04:25.15 | braunkraut | I run stable on amd64, what are you saying? |
| 04:25.16 | Spyro_boy | Ah.. |
| 04:25.29 | cast | braunkraut: that its stable! |
| 04:25.40 | braunkraut | stable in the literal sense? |
| 04:26.04 | braunkraut | <- confused :) |
| 04:26.17 | braunkraut | oops |
| 04:26.18 | Supaplex | !confuse braunkraut |
| 04:26.18 | dpkg | No, what is their pants yesterday, braunkraut? breeches of the dictatorship of tibet with extra herring |
| 04:26.29 | braunkraut | I skipped right over amd64 on lenny |
| 04:26.53 | Gigantic | o.O |
| 04:27.11 | Supaplex | braunkraut: so you upgraded to amd128? wwwhhat? |
| 04:27.15 | wols_ | !stable |
| 04:27.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0), or ask me about releases. |
| 04:28.39 | feld | hmm im bored maybe i'll install etch overtop this feisty then |
| 04:29.19 | Supaplex | distro orgy? kinky. |
| 04:29.33 | feld | actually i'll try lenny in vmware first |
| 04:29.36 | feld | then i'll decide.... |
| 04:29.42 | cast | feld: do some pvcreating and put some etch on there! |
| 04:30.05 | feld | i <3 lvm |
| 04:30.07 | feld | :) |
| 04:30.22 | feld | does lenny have any install media |
| 04:30.31 | feld | or do you just install etch and upgrade or somethin |
| 04:30.34 | cast | feld: oh, if you're really bored you could try debian gnu/kfreebsd :) |
| 04:31.03 | cafuego | Hmm, is it possible to run multiple VGs on a single PV? |
| 04:31.38 | feld | cast: that reminds me, i need to try that in vmware also |
| 04:31.38 | tralala | cafuego, of course |
| 04:31.39 | Gigantic | VGs? PVs? |
| 04:31.52 | tralala | Gigantic, lvm |
| 04:32.01 | cafuego | tralala: Hmm, ok. vgchange isn't being my friend. |
| 04:32.02 | feld | cafuego: yes |
| 04:32.04 | Gigantic | ah, sure |
| 04:32.22 | feld | afaik anyway |
| 04:32.30 | feld | im pretty sure i have that on another machine right now |
| 04:32.47 | cafuego | I have a single large vg on a raid5 md array atm, want to resize that to 128Gb, then use the rest on 1 or 2 different VGs |
| 04:34.07 | quitte | cafuego: no, multiple vgs on one pv is not possible |
| 04:34.21 | cafuego | okies |
| 04:34.30 | cafuego | then it'll just have to look ugly in fstab ;-) |
| 04:34.50 | quitte | cafuego: isn't resizing a pv possible? |
| 04:35.19 | cafuego | quitte: probably, but that all just ends up being more hassle than its worth |
| 04:35.34 | tralala | cafuego, oh it's the other way around - you can have multiple pvs in a vg |
| 04:36.01 | cast | tralala: was wondering what you were on. |
| 04:36.02 | quitte | tralala: of course ;) |
| 04:36.04 | cafuego | tralala: Yeah, you can extend a VG by adding PVs I think |
| 04:36.48 | tralala | cast, I'm on insufficient coffeine |
| 04:36.57 | cafuego | But resizing the existing single PV (which lives on a 3 disk raid5) and adding additional PVs for new VGs is just ... asking for pain I think. So I won't. |
| 04:37.40 | Penix | so...what, a VG is tied to its PV? |
| 04:37.50 | cafuego | Penix: OI! |
| 04:37.50 | quitte | Penix: no |
| 04:37.55 | cafuego | Penix: you live! |
| 04:37.56 | tralala | resizing a pv is exactly the kind of problem that lvm is addressing - you don't have to do it with lvm |
| 04:37.59 | Penix | cafuego: hehe. yes |
| 04:38.08 | cafuego | Penix: congrats on the 1.5Mbit adsl btw |
| 04:38.29 | cafuego | I jhave 24/2M adsl2+ with annex m now ;-) |
| 04:38.33 | Penix | I'm struggling to recall a time where I've had two vgs in a pv...sounds right, but I don't think I've tried |
| 04:38.45 | Penix | cafuego: yeah, you're blog crushed my spirits long ago |
| 04:38.51 | Penix | bleh. your rather |
| 04:38.51 | cafuego | heh |
| 04:38.59 | cafuego | ppl read that thing? wow. |
| 04:39.16 | feld | http://www.boingboing.net/2007/06/20/aacs_key_on_a_check.html |
| 04:39.18 | cafuego | oh, i guess we'lls ee you at osdc and lca right? |
| 04:39.23 | Penix | cafuego: I've had it in some random 'People' bookmarks or something. check it every now and then |
| 04:39.40 | Penix | cafuego: where's this year's lca? |
| 04:39.47 | Supaplex | cafuego: you hear that? you're a random type of guy. ;) |
| 04:39.48 | Penix | or, next rather |
| 04:39.52 | cafuego | Penix: next year - melbourne :-) |
| 04:40.00 | Penix | cafuego: ooo. nice |
| 04:40.04 | cafuego | Penix: I'm kinda helping to organise the damned thing |
| 04:40.11 | cafuego | my wife's in charge |
| 04:40.29 | Penix | cafuego: I should really try to show up. been saying it for years |
| 04:40.37 | Penix | been wanting to head to melbourne for a while |
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| 04:40.56 | cafuego | you a humbug member? |
| 04:40.57 | m55 | how do i flatten a directory structure |
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| 04:41.34 | Penix | humbug? I'm from NSW |
| 04:41.36 | Supaplex | m55: with a rolling pin? what do you mean by flatten a directory structure? |
| 04:41.38 | cafuego | oooh |
| 04:41.43 | Penix | :P |
| 04:41.58 | Penix | nah. nsw mid north coast |
| 04:42.04 | tralala | m55, branches with random depth? |
| 04:42.05 | m55 | extract all files in all subdirectories in a specified folder and put them in the original folder |
| 04:42.23 | m55 | tralala: ya |
| 04:42.44 | cafuego | m55: find . -mindepth 1 -type f -exec mv {} . \; type thing? |
| 04:43.01 | m55 | ya |
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| 04:43.13 | cafuego | m55: find . -mindepth 1 -type f -exec mv {} . \; |
| 04:43.15 | Penix | I spose if I can find a cheap notebook to bring with me, I'll make an attempt at an appearance |
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| 04:43.26 | Penix | travel wise etc., I should be able to afford it |
| 04:43.35 | cafuego | Penix: notebooks aren't required |
| 04:43.46 | Penix | cafuego: free thin client access?! :D |
| 04:43.51 | cafuego | mine mainly got in the way in sydney |
| 04:44.03 | cafuego | Penix: no time for access, must attend talks! |
| 04:44.05 | Supaplex | Penix: use wide ruled notebooks. the paper is eaiser to write in. ;) hah. |
| 04:44.07 | Penix | awww |
| 04:44.12 | Penix | hehe |
| 04:44.25 | cafuego | i guess email checks are nice |
| 04:44.30 | cafuego | but then again, they're work |
| 04:44.41 | sshock | bind9 keeps exiting on me because it hits an assert |
| 04:44.42 | Penix | cafuego: I guess my ipaq will keep me happy |
| 04:45.01 | Penix | would be awesome to finally put faces to names though |
| 04:45.02 | sshock | specifically: Jun 21 13:49:06 sshock named[6850]: socket.c:1663: INSIST(!sock->pending_send) failed |
| 04:45.04 | cafuego | with a bit of luck we'll have some form of wireless network |
| 04:45.19 | Penix | besides hackergotchi's and stuff |
| 04:45.33 | sshock | any idea what could be causing that? It's kind of random, but somewhat frequent |
| 04:45.41 | cafuego | Penix: yeh, the joyness of hanging out far outweighs the lack of net access |
| 04:45.50 | m55 | cafuego: it worked! thanks |
| 04:45.56 | sshock | or should I just switch to bind ver 8? |
| 04:46.03 | cafuego | sshock: no! |
| 04:46.06 | cafuego | bind8 bad |
| 04:46.13 | sshock | oh, ok |
| 04:46.46 | cafuego | Penix: I'llw ear my coffee cup hat for easy identification ;-) |
| 04:46.47 | regulate | sshock: file a bug |
| 04:46.54 | sshock | I just wish I knew why it was hitting that assert; or some kind of workaround hmm... |
| 04:47.03 | cafuego | sshock: what does the googleplex say? |
| 04:47.10 | sshock | regulate: yeah, I guess that is the most I can do |
| 04:47.20 | sshock | cafuego: I found one other guy with the exact same issue, but no responses |
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| 04:48.12 | Penix | cafuego: hehe. yeah, I think I'll be doing something bizzare to make myself easy to locate |
| 04:48.25 | Penix | I'll have to hit the site later and check all the details |
| 04:48.33 | cafuego | not too much stuff there yet |
| 04:48.38 | cafuego | jan 28-feb2 |
| 04:48.45 | cafuego | that's kinda it |
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| 04:49.03 | dvs01 | hi |
| 04:49.07 | dvs01 | is hardened debian worth using? |
| 04:49.09 | Penix | heh. get to work! |
| 04:49.33 | cafuego | Penix: done lotsa work, just not confirmed stuff yet to the point of it being sane to publish though. |
| 04:49.39 | Penix | ah |
| 04:49.58 | cafuego | melbourne uni, city campus |
| 04:50.05 | Penix | nice |
| 04:50.21 | cafuego | yeah, a 5 minute bike ride to home (downhill) |
| 04:50.33 | Penix | any known au freenode lurkers attending? |
| 04:50.39 | cafuego | bob2! |
| 04:50.44 | Penix | yay! |
| 04:50.48 | cafuego | he was in sydney too |
| 04:51.13 | cafuego | i recognised him from the blob of hair on a photo of him taking a photo |
| 04:51.23 | cafuego | was queued behind me @ google drinks |
| 04:51.33 | tralala | dvs01, only if the softened won't do the job |
| 04:51.35 | Penix | haha. that's what I always picture running in to when I meet him |
| 04:51.48 | cafuego | Penix: it's 100% accurate ;-) |
| 04:52.13 | cafuego | plus of course the entire contents of #linux.conf.au and #linux-aus |
| 04:52.21 | dvs01 | heh |
| 04:52.30 | dvs01 | is it effective at what it does tho? |
| 04:52.35 | cafuego | Linus doesn't idle here, but he did attend sydney (i sat next to him, worship me) |
| 04:52.44 | Penix | hehe |
| 04:53.52 | Penix | I'll be like a backstage fanboy half the time |
| 04:54.01 | cafuego | heh |
| 04:54.02 | Guerin | only half? |
| 04:54.17 | cafuego | Guerin is coming too, he's getting work tos end him |
| 04:54.23 | Guerin | hah |
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| 04:55.03 | cafuego | dunno how many other #debian idlers end up at the debian miniconf |
| 04:55.04 | pjdid | does anyone know any "GOOD" screen capture recording programs for linux |
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| 04:57.08 | valdyn | dvs01: you're referring to the harden-* packages? |
| 04:57.48 | rebo123_ | hello everyone |
| 04:57.52 | rebo123_ | google is failing me.. |
| 04:58.16 | rebo123_ | I need to format a floppy (I need FAT) |
| 04:58.28 | valdyn | rebo123_: mformat a: |
| 04:58.40 | valdyn | rebo123_: ( that's in the mtools package ) |
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| 04:58.56 | rebo123_ | ty valdyn :) |
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| 04:59.14 | rebo123_ | it says that it needs to be low-level formatted first.. how do I do that? (floppy is new from box) |
| 04:59.37 | valdyn | rebo123_: umm, floppies you can buy should already be low level formatted |
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| 04:59.53 | rebo123_ | ah, I see |
| 04:59.57 | rebo123_ | is there a way to double-check? |
| 05:00.07 | rebo123_ | it's sort of key that this floppy works :D |
| 05:00.08 | valdyn | rebo123_: look into the fdutils package too if you want |
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| 05:00.58 | valdyn | rebo123_: and the 'superformat' program from that package |
| 05:01.18 | rebo123_ | ok ;) |
| 05:01.20 | rebo123_ | give me a sec |
| 05:01.34 | valdyn | rebo123_: 'badblocks' can check floppies too |
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| 05:02.07 | rebo123_ | ah, cool :) |
| 05:02.10 | rebo123_ | ty |
| 05:02.24 | rebo123_ | I have two windows boxes and both of them are struggling with this simple task |
| 05:02.28 | rebo123_ | ;p |
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| 05:03.25 | simonrvn | what, functioning? |
| 05:03.50 | rebo123_ | simonrvn: you're not too far off there ;p |
| 05:04.06 | Guerin | !wayttd rebo123_ |
| 05:04.06 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, rebo123_? |
| 05:04.25 | Guerin | WTF, you can still buy floppies? |
| 05:04.31 | Guerin | and people actually do? |
| 05:04.31 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 05:04.41 | Guerin | freaks |
| 05:04.46 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 05:04.58 | rebo123_ | Well, I formatted an NTFS partition with HFS+ (by accident!) |
| 05:05.00 | Guerin | i haven't used one since I installed obsd on a box with no cdrom drive |
| 05:05.10 | littleball | hi, i want to have a tool to monitor a specific service. WHen the service process is stopped (due to bug etc reason), the monitoring tool should auto restart the service. What tool can do this? |
| 05:05.18 | Guerin | rebo123_: doesn't explain why you need a flopy... |
| 05:05.29 | rebo123_ | And I'm running EasyRecovery so I can get some of my files back (HFS+ writes about 60Mb, murdering the MFT) |
| 05:05.53 | rebo123_ | So I need a floppy to store the recovery data |
| 05:06.01 | Guerin | eh |
| 05:06.11 | Guerin | you hope to save less than 1.44MB of data? |
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| 05:07.52 | rebo123_ | Guerin: no, the recovery file is quite small.. It just lists the files that are found with their physical address on the drive |
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| 05:08.24 | Guerin | this doesn't sound easy to me |
| 05:08.35 | Guerin | you should sue the vendor for false advertising |
| 05:08.47 | rebo123_ | lol |
| 05:08.57 | rebo123_ | it's really not too bad |
| 05:08.59 | rebo123_ | there's like 3 buttons |
| 05:09.03 | rebo123_ | next next next |
| 05:09.04 | Guerin | then you could buy a meeeellion floppy disks |
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| 05:11.27 | rebo123_ | yes lol |
| 05:11.47 | cafuego | `lol' is not valid punctuation. |
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| 05:12.03 | Guerin | s/ punctuation// |
| 05:12.26 | rebo123_ | lol punctuation |
| 05:12.33 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:13.52 | rebo123 | Sorry :) Are smiley faces considered valid punctuation yet? |
| 05:14.25 | rebo123 | btw thank you all, superformat and mformat did wonders |
| 05:14.33 | rebo123 | in fact, it seems that superformat calls mformat |
| 05:14.41 | rebo123 | AND mbadblocks |
| 05:14.46 | rebo123 | couldn't be simpler, thank you :) |
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| 05:15.31 | yxa | where do static routes go in debian? |
| 05:15.46 | Guerin | yxa: in an `up' statement |
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| 05:15.54 | Guerin | man 5 interfaces |
| 05:16.01 | sshock | any ipsec experts here? |
| 05:16.10 | Guerin | sshock: this is not #ipsec |
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| 05:16.46 | sshock | well, there is no #ipsec |
| 05:17.10 | Guerin | sshock: just ask, someone might know, even if they don't call themselves an expert |
| 05:17.38 | sshock | well, I've got it working for the most part, but packets are getting lost in the kernel I think |
| 05:17.48 | Guerin | sshock: give them a map |
| 05:18.01 | sshock | hehe :) |
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| 05:18.19 | sshock | The remote side has two different subnets, 10.2.2.0/24 and 192.168.0.0/21, so I'm setting up two different tunnels |
| 05:18.47 | sshock | Everything works from computers in my LAN, but not from the firewall itself |
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| 05:19.26 | jeffwheeler | I read an article explaining the problems in FTP design linked in this room a while back, written by a Debian dev, and if I remember correctly, it was linked from the Debian wiki; anybody know where I can find it? |
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| 05:19.40 | Guerin | !ftpmustdie |
| 05:19.40 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 05:19.54 | jeffwheeler | Guerin: that's what I was looking for; thanks! |
| 05:20.02 | sshock | From the firewall, everything works fine if I only connect to one remote subnet, but when I connect to both of them, whichever one I connected to first stops working |
| 05:20.06 | Guerin | jeffwheeler: enjoy. |
| 05:20.18 | simonrvn | dude there isn't a dd, but knows his shit |
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| 05:21.32 | sshock | oh well, this issue is probably too complicated... |
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| 05:21.54 | Guerin | sshock: boil your problem down to a one-line question |
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| 05:22.11 | cast | hah. i read ass shock |
| 05:22.20 | Guerin | sshock: we're lazy and if grokking your issue is too much effort, we won't bother |
| 05:22.34 | sshock | ok, let me see here... |
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| 05:23.08 | sshock | why do my packets silently disappear from one vpn connection after setting up a second vpn connections? |
| 05:23.39 | Guerin | not knowing much about vpns, I'd blame your routing table |
| 05:23.58 | sshock | It's funny, I can do a ping and the packet makes it all the way back and I can see both the ESP and the decrypted packet with tcpdump. But somewhere it gets dropped before getting back to actual ping program. |
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| 05:24.51 | sshock | Guerin: I was thinking something like that, because I've read web pages which say you must add something to your routing table if you want things to work from the firewall itself. |
| 05:25.26 | sshock | but aren't routing tables just for sending packets? |
| 05:26.02 | sshock | and why would it work fine when I only connect to one remote subnet? |
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| 05:28.09 | sshock | ok, here's a simple question: are there things you can do with "ip route add" that you can't do with "route add" ? |
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| 05:32.00 | zoredache | sshock, I think yes... |
| 05:32.36 | zoredache | policy based routing, and such |
| 05:33.05 | sshock | ok, hmm, that is probably my problem because I know some pages said I must do ip route add to get ipsec to work on the firewall itself |
| 05:33.53 | sshock | probably once the second ipsec tunnel is set up, it gets confused and starts using the keys from that tunnel for the first tunnel |
| 05:34.14 | zoredache | I gave up ipsec, and switched to openvpn... much easieser |
| 05:34.41 | cast | openvpn :> |
| 05:34.43 | sshock | hehe, unfortunately I am not controller the other side; it's a hardware fortinet router at work that I have to connect to |
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| 05:35.47 | zoredache | are you trying to configure ipsec manually, or are you using strongswan or something? |
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| 05:36.30 | sshock | racoon |
| 05:37.24 | sshock | it's funny because everything works, even from the firewall itself, until the second tunnel comes up, and then the first tunnel stops working (but only on the firewall; lan computers still work fine regardless) |
| 05:40.06 | sshock | So I'm like 99% there... Hmm, this page talks about adding a static route on the gateways: http://www.gir.me.uk/computers/debian_vpn.html |
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| 05:48.23 | sid | What is that package to remove crap, like if I have a laptop that has been running sid for a few years. and I have a bunch of packages I don't use, but it's hard to find them |
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| 05:48.41 | sid | There is some software that makes it easy to remove stuff and keep stuff |
| 05:48.50 | greti | pls add me link download fedora core 7 .iso format cd |
| 05:49.17 | sshock | sid: deborphan |
| 05:49.18 | qnyc | sid, deborphan |
| 05:51.22 | sid | thanks, that's the one. |
| 05:51.28 | sid | I appreciate the help, thanks guys. |
| 05:51.32 | greti | pls add me link download fedora core 7 .iso format cd |
| 05:51.53 | sid | greti: What architecture? x86? |
| 05:52.08 | greti | yes |
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| 05:52.56 | sid | greti: What country do you live in? |
| 05:53.11 | sid | Romania? |
| 05:53.11 | Guerin | greti: http://fuckinggoogleit.com |
| 05:53.37 | greti | yes |
| 05:53.44 | greti | sid |
| 05:53.57 | sid | greti: buena ziwa |
| 05:54.38 | greti | Sid spunemi deunde pot downloada fedora core 7 |
| 05:54.44 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:54.47 | greti | vreau sal scriu pe cd nu pe dvd |
| 05:54.51 | Guerin | greti: ask in #fedora |
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| 05:57.25 | Gigantic | what language was that? |
| 05:57.32 | sid | Romanian |
| 05:57.50 | sid | fedora's site sucks so much. |
| 05:58.09 | sid | Someone needs to make it easier for people to download the freaken thing like debian.org, or ubuntu.com |
| 05:58.38 | Gigantic | sid: But has cute graphics ;) |
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| 05:59.17 | zoredache | does anyone have any well written references on an debian sarge->etch upgrade? Preferably with more detail then just update && dist-upgrade |
| 06:00.04 | zoredache | I am trying to write upgrade documentation for some people, and I am looking for something to get inspired from |
| 06:00.12 | hark | heh, oh yes |
| 06:00.18 | sid | greti: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f7/en_US/sn-which-files.html |
| 06:00.23 | hark | !sarge->etch |
| 06:00.23 | dpkg | somebody said sarge->etch was read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 06:00.46 | sid | greti: since bandwidth is slow, and you probably get capped after 4 gigs a month or whatever the limit is, I recommend the net install. |
| 06:01.02 | zoredache | ah, thanks |
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| 06:02.09 | sid | I recommend not using fedora, but if you want to minimal/net iso is here: http://ftp.astral.ro/mirrors/fedora/pub/fedora/linux/releases/7/Fedora/i386/os/images/boot.iso |
| 06:02.43 | sid | greti: If you want the full DVD, it's here: http://ftp.astral.ro/mirrors/fedora/pub/fedora/linux/releases/7/Live/i386/Fedora-7-Live-i686.iso |
| 06:02.47 | Gigantic | sid: I've tried every release of Fedora there has been, and always beleive this time I'm gonna like it, but I still don't |
| 06:03.22 | sid | Gigantic: I don't like Fedora because Redhat has too much influence over it. I like the community controlled aspect of Debian. |
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| 06:04.08 | sid | Fedora is like a beta test for RHEL. Fedora is on a 6 month release cycle, RHEL is 18 months. It's basically a beta test in my mind, and some Desktop related stuff is done to appease the community, but still a beta test. |
| 06:04.21 | grendal_prime | whats the simplest way to send data to syslog? |
| 06:04.24 | greti | sid not If you want the full DVD, and full CD |
| 06:04.39 | grendal_prime | via say...bash |
| 06:04.44 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 06:05.03 | tralala | I don't like commercial distros because the distributor only puts inside what they think will be profitable. I do like debian because I'm hard pressed to find software that's not .deb packaged |
| 06:05.09 | sid | greti: My girlfriend is Romanian, I can speak very little. but I'm sure I'll type it out wrong. |
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| 06:05.25 | Gigantic | greti: Torrent was the fastest way, trough the mirrors ther was too much throtling |
| 06:05.30 | sid | I went to Sibiu with her last year, we climbed a couple mountains and stuff, it's beautiful. |
| 06:05.45 | sid | Gigantic: eh, torrent isn't good for him. Bandwidth is scarce. |
| 06:05.58 | sid | He shouldn't waste it uploading. |
| 06:06.16 | Gigantic | tralala: Not always, Suse for example, altough I don't like many things Novell do, basically remain in the power of the community |
| 06:06.43 | Guerin | not really |
| 06:06.51 | Guerin | opensuse is not the same as suse |
| 06:07.00 | greti | pls help mee speck romanian |
| 06:07.21 | greti | download fedora core 7 .iso cd do not dvd formatum |
| 06:07.32 | Gigantic | it is, just rename it to make a distinction of the SLED and SLES |
| 06:07.40 | Guerin | greti: type /join #fedora |
| 06:07.50 | Gigantic | Suse as a collective of all the suse based systems |
| 06:07.53 | greti | #fedora ##fedora-join-instructions Forwarding to another channel |
| 06:07.53 | Guerin | Gigantic: you're delusional |
| 06:08.13 | Guerin | greti: now follow the instructions |
| 06:08.14 | Gigantic | Guerin: :) No... |
| 06:08.46 | grendal_prime | first distro i used was redhat, i then went to fedora (because redhat went enterprise) then looked at the way fedora was handling there updates and realized that debian had been doing it that way for a long time. tried susie but not a big fan of novel and hated the way suse tried to recreate everything. |
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| 06:08.58 | Guerin | Gigantic: ok, if `suse' means to you ALL the suse distros, then Novell *explicitly* controls SLES/SLED, and *implicitly* controls opensuse |
| 06:09.06 | Guerin | Gigantic: either way you're wrong |
| 06:09.13 | sid | greti: http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/fedora/linux/releases/7/Live/i386/Fedora-7-Live-i686.iso |
| 06:09.18 | sid | You can install Fedora from the livecd. |
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| 06:10.05 | grendal_prime | was totally in shock when i saw that microsoft novel and suse were teaming up together...my first thought..(the three things i hate the most) |
| 06:10.05 | tralala | Gigantic, I've used redhat for years and watched it follow the windows path - get stuffed with useless shiny things and every new version demands more cpu |
| 06:10.05 | xerophyte | say for example if i have 3x200g disk drivers and i make LVM and make big partition ,, and put the data in it, if one disk goes bad .. how does the data will be restore ? |
| 06:10.06 | greti | sid copied Fedora-7-Live-i686.iso cd and runing install? |
| 06:10.12 | Guerin | xerophyte: it doesn't |
| 06:10.32 | Guerin | xerophyte: if you want redundancy, use raid |
| 06:10.34 | grendal_prime | anyone send stuff to syslog via bash? |
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| 06:10.42 | Gigantic | Guerin: Novell controls SLES, as RedHat does with it's own, but as diference with Fedora which is more like a betta release, SLED and SLES are build out of openSUSE but Novell has no decisions about openSUSE escept for legal stuff |
| 06:10.46 | xerophyte | Guerin, i mean say for example 3rd drive gone bad .. will lose the data on the 1st and 2nd disks ? |
| 06:11.02 | xerophyte | will i ? |
| 06:11.03 | Guerin | Gigantic: the important bit is ``except for legal stuff'' |
| 06:11.06 | Penix | xerophyte: yes, if it's still in a stripe-style configuration |
| 06:11.10 | Guerin | Gigantic: that's the money shot, right there |
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| 06:11.24 | grendal_prime | suse is a pain in the ass though |
| 06:11.27 | Guerin | xerophyte: i'm not sure of the details. |
| 06:11.30 | Penix | xerophyte: no, if you've got it in a raid config that can handle that |
| 06:11.39 | xerophyte | Penix, so one drive go bad and i lose all the data on the 3 drives that does not sound right |
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| 06:12.02 | Penix | xerophyte: that is the case if you're simply spanning everything over the three drives |
| 06:12.02 | SoulChild | hey all |
| 06:12.11 | Gigantic | Guerin: Legal stuff like no mp3 support, or Mozilla's Logo usage agreement |
| 06:12.18 | SoulChild | is there a way to save the whole boot output into a file ? |
| 06:12.32 | Guerin | Gigantic: and control of the suse name ... and ultimately the final word |
| 06:12.39 | Penix | xerophyte: it all depends on how you set it up |
| 06:12.55 | xerophyte | hmmm |
| 06:13.06 | wols_ | Gigantic: both fedora and opensuse are the same thing: cheap outsourced labour for RH and novell |
| 06:13.07 | xerophyte | Penix, i am thinkin gto setup for the backup server but |
| 06:13.14 | Guerin | Gigantic: if you think they exert no control over opensuse, i have some beachfront property near Alice Springs you might like to buy |
| 06:13.21 | Penix | xerophyte: but lvm on top off three drives (if its easy/possible) will crap out when one dies |
| 06:13.24 | xerophyte | Penix, if one drive go bad and i lose all the data seems not right |
| 06:13.31 | Gigantic | Guerin: At the moment I see the comunity taking more than Novell itself, not that it will remain that way, but there are no signals to spect something diferent in the short term |
| 06:13.37 | Gigantic | wols_: No |
| 06:13.41 | tralala | wols_, and this clearly shows in the sizes of their communities |
| 06:13.48 | bkw | strange that smokeping didn't email tonight when one of our hosts went down.. |
| 06:13.48 | Penix | xerophyte: ofcourse it's not right. that's why you configure the drives in an appropriate raid config |
| 06:13.52 | wols_ | tralala: hm? |
| 06:13.56 | Penix | xerophyte: so you don't lose data |
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| 06:14.01 | Gigantic | wols_: Fedora is out of RedHat, SLES is out of opnSUSE |
| 06:14.02 | xerophyte | Penix, i need space :( |
| 06:14.13 | Guerin | wols_: could one argue the same ofdebian and ubuntu? |
| 06:14.15 | Gigantic | wols_: The other opposite way |
| 06:14.20 | tralala | wols_, small - for not many people are willing to work for free for the big corporations |
| 06:14.25 | xerophyte | Penix, so i need to keep each drive separate am i right ? |
| 06:14.29 | Guerin | Gigantic: it makes no difference, don't you see? |
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| 06:14.42 | wols_ | Guerin: canonical if anything |
| 06:14.52 | Guerin | wols_: obviously |
| 06:14.55 | Gigantic | Guerin: And, the propietary software is then attached to the propietary distribution, |
| 06:15.00 | Penix | xerophyte: it sounds like you want space offered by the three drives, but with automatic mirroring and recovery |
| 06:15.19 | Guerin | Penix: he wants a pony, too |
| 06:15.22 | Penix | xerophyte: that can't be achieved with just 'striping' (spanning across) the disks |
| 06:15.23 | xerophyte | Penix, i only need space |
| 06:15.26 | Penix | Guerin: who doesn't? |
| 06:15.35 | wols_ | Guerin: you could argue it if you want. but then, it's not necessarily a bad ting. depends how muhc influence those "leeches" have. and imho with fedora and opensuse they have a lot more |
| 06:15.36 | Guerin | xerophyte: then have three separate drives, no LVM |
| 06:15.38 | xerophyte | but i don't want to lose the data if one drive goes bad |
| 06:15.38 | Penix | xerophyte: then you don't get the safety |
| 06:15.46 | zoredache | set raid5 accross the three drives? |
| 06:15.59 | wols_ | aren't main fedora/opensuse servers maintained by RH/novell? |
| 06:16.08 | wols_ | xerophyte: raid5 |
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| 06:16.22 | rati | hi |
| 06:16.34 | Gigantic | Guerin: The thing is that, at the moment, Novell has not much control over openSUSE, but over the derivates |
| 06:16.44 | rati | i have developed one netwrking ibox |
| 06:17.03 | rati | in that i wnat to test flooding and spoofing |
| 06:17.11 | tralala | Guerin, wols_, debian and ubuntu are more like rhel and centos |
| 06:17.14 | Guerin | Gigantic: like I said - I have a nice surf resort near Ayer's Rock you should look into |
| 06:17.16 | wols_ | Gigantic: who owns opensuse.org? |
| 06:17.21 | rati | is it proper working or not |
| 06:17.22 | tralala | in a way |
| 06:17.27 | Guerin | tralala: not really that, either |
| 06:17.39 | wols_ | Gigantic: who runs opensuse.org (the server)? |
| 06:18.12 | Guerin | !fgi rati flooding+and+spoofing+howto |
| 06:18.12 | dpkg | rati: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=flooding+and+spoofing+howto |
| 06:18.20 | wols_ | Guerin: ayers _rock_? are there mountains? is there snow? can I ski? cool!. I buy it! |
| 06:18.21 | xerophyte | wols_, how much space will i get if i setup raid 5 with software raid with 3x400 disk |
| 06:18.25 | SoulChild | Guys i have a problem |
| 06:18.29 | SoulChild | :( |
| 06:18.29 | wols_ | xerophyte: 800 |
| 06:18.33 | rati | any bady know about spoofing |
| 06:18.37 | Gigantic | wols_: opensuse community, and the server is run by the comunity too, most of the stuff is provided by Novell, but it is not Novell's property |
| 06:18.39 | wols_ | xerophyte: one disk in raid 5 is always parity |
| 06:18.43 | tralala | Guerin, they are exactly as independant - there's nothing to stop ubuntu from using debian as a base and there's nothing to stop debian from doing what community wants |
| 06:18.44 | Guerin | wols_: only $1m! Bargain! |
| 06:18.51 | wols_ | Guerin: opensuse.org is owned by novell |
| 06:18.55 | wols_ | Gigantic: ^^ |
| 06:19.06 | wols_ | Admin Organization:Novell, Inc. |
| 06:19.14 | Gigantic | wols_: Actually it was more restrictive before whaen Suse was totally ruled by Novell |
| 06:19.19 | Guerin | tralala: sure, but ubuntu is not a rebadged debian. It's debian with a few things added in and a shitload left out. |
| 06:19.19 | wols_ | Gigantic: and the IP is in novell space too probably |
| 06:19.33 | wols_ | Gigantic: sure. it's still cheap outsourced labour |
| 06:19.40 | Gigantic | ping :) |
| 06:19.43 | Guerin | Gigantic 0, wols_ 1 |
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| 06:19.55 | tralala | Guerin, in other words a centos done wrong :) |
| 06:20.00 | wols_ | and suee being a german distro once, I know it very well. it's our version of RH. they never were an open source company ever |
| 06:20.01 | Guerin | tralala: heh |
| 06:20.06 | wols_ | and neither is novell |
| 06:20.26 | Guerin | wols_: this was my main gripe with suse. And yast, which is an evil abortion of a thing |
| 06:20.43 | SoulChild | there is an error at boot but my notebook boots to fast, so i can't read it properly, any ideas ? |
| 06:20.54 | Guerin | SoulChild: dmesg |
| 06:21.00 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:21.02 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 06:21.03 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen sex-crazed weasels. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 06:21.09 | wols_ | SoulChild: syslog, kern.log, message, etc |
| 06:21.11 | tralala | !Guerin++ (yast related) |
| 06:21.15 | Guerin | weasels and sauerkraut, my favourite |
| 06:21.19 | Gigantic | suse has been always opensource |
| 06:21.32 | Guerin | Gigantic: this is a common delusion amongst fanboiz |
| 06:21.32 | wols_ | Gigantic: they never have been |
| 06:21.42 | Gigantic | there's even a Debian Yast port |
| 06:21.49 | SoulChild | wols_: the error is not listed in any log,.. ive checked them all |
| 06:21.50 | gpm | oi |
| 06:21.55 | wols_ | yast was closed source for ages and you were not allowed to copy a suee cd and sell it. |
| 06:21.57 | Gigantic | Guerin: Demonstrate it adnI'll believe |
| 06:22.07 | Guerin | Gigantic: in this way they are *much* worse than RH, which contributes *insane* amounts to free software |
| 06:22.29 | Guerin | Gigantic: i have no need to convince you, i just think you should educate yourself |
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| 06:22.38 | tralala | !find yast |
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| 06:22.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'yast' (3 of 9): (/usr/share/gallery/images/icons/{yast_kuser.gif|yast_sysadmin.gif|yast_sysadmin2.gif}) in web/gallery ;; (/usr/share/doc/python-happydoc-doc/srcdocs/HappyDoc-r2_1/happydoclib/prettyast.html) in doc/python-happydoc-doc ;; (/usr/share/icons/gnome/16x16/devices/{yast_HD.png|yast_idetude.png|yast_mouse.png|...}) in gnome/gnome-icon-theme. |
| 06:22.51 | Gigantic | no, you are being biassed |
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| 06:22.57 | wols_ | Gigantic: you are |
| 06:23.08 | peterS | yeah so, this isn't actually a suse channel |
| 06:23.11 | Guerin | Gigantic: the bottom line: you can't (couldn't) take a suse cd and copy it, because there was proprietariness on it (though I forget what) |
| 06:23.12 | tralala | Gigantic, you cannot compare redhat to suse in any way |
| 06:23.36 | tralala | suse has always been a bitch |
| 06:23.47 | Guerin | Gigantic: and it's not the same as the openbsd arrangement, which is a chinese wall to drive almost null-cost sales of cds |
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| 06:23.54 | peterS | Guerin: well, YaST itself used to be closed source. suse got religion on that point a few years ago though |
| 06:23.58 | Gigantic | Guerin: Wrong |
| 06:24.05 | Guerin | Gigantic: in what way? |
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| 06:24.20 | rati | i want test spoofing |
| 06:24.30 | Guerin | peterS: is that it. Until a few months ago it was the only major I hadn't used, then I had SLES enforced on me for a few hours |
| 06:24.34 | gpm | yast was proprietary |
| 06:24.37 | Guerin | rati: so test |
| 06:24.43 | peterS | Gigantic: you haven't been around all that long, have you? suse definitely used to have proprietary software in their distribution. I'm not certain whether they still do. they did open source yast eventually. |
| 06:24.43 | gpm | wait |
| 06:24.44 | gpm | nm |
| 06:24.46 | gpm | i can't read |
| 06:25.38 | peterS | they used to ship closed-source XFree86 drivers, which they paid for development of, too. closed-source for NDA reasons, apparently. I'm not sure if they still do that either. |
| 06:25.42 | zoredache | rati: You are going to probably have to research the 'how to test spoofing' on your own... it isn't really on-topic for the channel, and I suspect people here probably don't want to tell you |
| 06:25.56 | Gigantic | Guerin: You can poy and modify and redistribute. All the licences are GPL or similar, even the Novell branding! And even with SLED, but in that case the software not opensourced comes with it's own license, just like you find BSD and GPL in the common Linux system |
| 06:25.59 | gpm | they always released source though, right? it's just now they do betas and stuff |
| 06:26.05 | gpm | beta releases that is |
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| 06:26.35 | peterS | gpm: they always released enough source to satisfy their GPL obligations, yes. that doesn't mean they gave you enough source to build your own equivalent SuSE CD or anything. |
| 06:26.59 | Gigantic | peterS: Ah, yes, in the old times, but I am talking about the current opensuse status, that is, indeed opensource, |
| 06:27.00 | wols_ | Gigantic: they are open source NOW. but older suse vresions never never open source. yast always was proprietary back then |
| 06:27.05 | Guerin | Gigantic: yes, and those licenses mean you can't redistribute SLES/SLED as a unit. And none of this changes that, until recently, you couldn't distribute a functional suse AT ALL, because without yast it wasn't really suse any more |
| 06:27.19 | Guerin | (it was just even-more-broken red hat) |
| 06:27.19 | gpm | the old times? that was like 3 years ago |
| 06:27.35 | peterS | now can we get back to talking about Kanotix and MEPIS? |
| 06:27.37 | gpm | man, i'm getting old |
| 06:27.39 | Guerin | gpm: that's old times when you're 14 |
| 06:27.41 | wols_ | Gigantic: also as Guerin said, you can't reidst SLES, like centos can with RH |
| 06:27.41 | gpm | peterS: heh |
| 06:27.58 | Gigantic | Guerin: but you can do it with opensuse |
| 06:28.15 | gpm | peterS: you know things are bad when you're asking to talk about kanotix |
| 06:28.17 | peterS | Gigantic: are you darix? |
| 06:28.31 | Guerin | Gigantic: yes, but that doesn't change that evil microsoft-ransomed scum-sucking Novhell still own it. |
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| 06:28.37 | peterS | Gigantic: I ask because he has a 3-line email sig that says nothing about him, just 3 lines praising opensuse |
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| 06:28.50 | wols_ | peterS: I have this cpid_1.0.4-1ubuntu11_amd64 in my MEPIS and it won't install. HELP! |
| 06:28.51 | Guerin | Gigantic: no thanks, I'll stik with my verifiably free project. |
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| 06:29.09 | Gigantic | and a common mistake: YaST. Yes, it is the main suse's feature but 1) It is opensource and 2) it can be titally disabled and be managed as most othen distros |
| 06:29.13 | gpm | debian gnu/hurd ftw! |
| 06:29.20 | tralala | suse has always been a bad attempt to copy redhat - they left out everything good that redhat does, and focused on everything bad instead. I wonder why it didn't work out. Obviously Novel has learned the lesson and stoped doing evil. Well if you don't count the MS contract... oh well |
| 06:29.36 | peterS | ok everyone stop trolling the suseboy, kthx |
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| 06:29.45 | wols_ | tralala: no. suse started as slackware. and they simply took took rpm from RH, that's all |
| 06:29.47 | Guerin | the Farce is strong in this one |
| 06:30.12 | tralala | wols_, they wanted to copy their business not their code |
| 06:30.23 | wols_ | tralala: also suse did some kinda nice things: they sponsored ALSA, they did lots of ISDN support work |
| 06:30.32 | wols_ | tralala: that they did |
| 06:30.40 | Gigantic | Guerin: And about the Microsoft deal... people does not know that there are actually two deals in one |
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| 06:30.45 | wols_ | and suse did help with kde too |
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| 06:30.55 | Guerin | Gigantic: people might not, but *I* do. |
| 06:31.02 | gpm | so etch is out |
| 06:31.02 | waltercool | hi there debian people :) |
| 06:31.11 | gpm | waltercool: hi |
| 06:31.29 | wols_ | Gigantic: I don't think you will find many people happy about any nvell-ms deal except the drdos one in here. Novell took money from MS for acknowledging their patents. eOS |
| 06:31.37 | waltercool | i have installed from pendrive debian sarge and updated to etch :) |
| 06:31.46 | gpm | cool |
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| 06:32.07 | tralala | wols_, I always have the feeling that redhat has done for the community more that they strictly needed to. I don't get that feeling with suse and yast might be one of the reasons. |
| 06:32.08 | waltercool | and now with my pendrive i can conquer the world :) |
| 06:32.19 | Gigantic | Guerin: One is that none will suit each other customers, wich is good, and 2) Try to get better interoperability with both systems. And THAT part, that one, is to be discussed, myself is not sure yet about the implications and possible benefits for each part |
| 06:32.21 | gpm | you should use that pendrive to install etch now |
| 06:32.23 | gpm | instead of sarge |
| 06:32.30 | gpm | with no upgrade necessary |
| 06:32.30 | waltercool | i cant |
| 06:32.34 | gpm | oh |
| 06:32.50 | peterS | ok people, I said this twice, maybe I need to be a little more direct. this channel isn't about SuSE, so you're all offtopic, so you should stop now. |
| 06:32.56 | waltercool | the modiffied installer is only for sarge gpm |
| 06:32.58 | Gigantic | Guerin: And Novel nor Suse NEVER acknowledged any patent violations! |
| 06:33.01 | wols_ | tralala: I still don't like them but they very much always cared they only stay on the open source line. ie nothing closed for example |
| 06:33.01 | Guerin | tralala: in two words, red hat has done more for free software than all of suse and novell. One of those two words is `Alan' and the other one rhymes with `sox' |
| 06:33.14 | Guerin | Gigantic: no, only *potential* violations |
| 06:33.14 | Gigantic | Guerin: Maybe you should read the openletter |
| 06:33.22 | gpm | waltercool: oh, bummer |
| 06:33.33 | Guerin | Gigantic: the PR from the PR firm they hired with MS's money? Yes, I have. |
| 06:33.35 | tralala | Guerin, heh :) |
| 06:33.41 | Guerin | Gigantic: I *work* in PR. |
| 06:33.43 | waltercool | yeah... and was a looooong work xD, but i did xD |
| 06:34.04 | waltercool | someone know how get kde 3.5.7?? Only fetching to kubuntu? |
| 06:34.05 | peterS | Guerin, Gigantic, everyone else: please take this to #opensuse |
| 06:34.23 | tralala | peterS, oh, come on - let us bitch a little more about it |
| 06:34.29 | Guerin | peterS: still too subtle |
| 06:34.35 | Guerin | threaten to ban someone or something |
| 06:34.42 | peterS | IMA BAN J00 |
| 06:34.46 | quitte | didn't he? |
| 06:34.48 | Guerin | jeesus, expect us to take youtr politeness seriously, who do you think we are? |
| 06:34.49 | wols_ | peterS: let us see a +o modeline |
| 06:35.04 | gpm | waltercool: backports? |
| 06:35.04 | wols_ | Guerin: he thinks he's in #ubuntu |
| 06:35.13 | wols_ | next he tells us to watch our language |
| 06:35.19 | waltercool | how backports? |
| 06:35.24 | Guerin | wols_: so HE's the one who's offtopic! |
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| 06:35.28 | gpm | !backport |
| 06:35.28 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get specific ... |
| 06:35.50 | gpm | i'm not sure if there's a backported kde that you need, but it's worth looking in to |
| 06:36.05 | wols_ | !info kdebase sid |
| 06:36.14 | waltercool | but selecting kubuntu fetch link, can be good? |
| 06:36.22 | gpm | wols_: unnecessary sid |
| 06:36.23 | wols_ | waltercool: no. don't mix distros |
| 06:36.28 | waltercool | ok |
| 06:36.29 | tralala | Gigantic, drop it - you want make any coverts in here - we know what freedom means |
| 06:36.40 | dpkg | kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 06:36.43 | tralala | and it's != suse |
| 06:36.44 | peterS | tralala: too late, I think he dropped it already |
| 06:36.44 | gpm | wols_: !info kdebase would've pulled the same thing |
| 06:36.50 | wols_ | gpm: I know |
| 06:36.54 | gpm | wols_: ok. |
| 06:37.06 | waltercool | but... why debian have a old version of kde? |
| 06:37.13 | tralala | peterS, I wanted to have the final word :) |
| 06:37.17 | gpm | waltercool: because it's been thoroughly tested |
| 06:37.22 | wols_ | waltercool: etch was frozen laste autumn |
| 06:37.30 | waltercool | oh... ic |
| 06:37.38 | gpm | for more recent, you could try testing |
| 06:37.46 | gpm | but that's at the price of possible breakage |
| 06:37.54 | gpm | and learning how to upgrade to testing |
| 06:37.57 | waltercool | but i need find the repository, right? |
| 06:38.08 | waltercool | 3.5.7 is out time yet... |
| 06:38.15 | Gigantic | I am NOT defending the deal, just that I do not precipitate against or in pro anithing, simply, I am not prejudicing just 'cause there's a company envolved |
| 06:38.30 | wols_ | Gigantic: debian users have a very high percentage of zealots for Free softwre. it's kinda hard to convince them of anything else than "debian is god, debian is life" |
| 06:38.48 | waltercool | debian is the best! |
| 06:38.59 | Guerin | http://bash.org/?38872 |
| 06:38.59 | gpm | spanish? |
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| 06:39.05 | tralala | it's not accidentally called GNU/Linux |
| 06:39.09 | waltercool | español? |
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| 06:39.16 | Guerin | tralala: ^^ |
| 06:39.22 | gpm | !spanish |
| 06:39.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 06:39.53 | Guerin | Gigantic: don't send me messages. This discussion is over, and you lost. Now go read bash.org. |
| 06:39.56 | gpm | man, we need irc babelfish |
| 06:40.16 | tralala | Guerin, heh :) |
| 06:40.26 | CaT[tm] | does irc have an ear? |
| 06:40.33 | gpm | CaT[tm]: good point |
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| 06:40.53 | peterS | if IRC even had a standard character set, that would be a start |
| 06:41.02 | Rodger | guys, I have a simple question |
| 06:41.05 | peterS | presumably it would be UTF-8 if it were specified at all, but it isn't |
| 06:41.08 | gpm | Rodger: me too |
| 06:41.25 | Gigantic | wols_: See, my first computer was a Debian, I am a Debian user, I love Debian, but that does not meke me prejudice, Caesar's to Caesar's |
| 06:41.29 | Rodger | how do you actually un-install a program in linux |
| 06:41.34 | Guerin | gpm, Rodger: i have a question about heisenberg uncertainty, does that count? |
| 06:41.39 | peterS | Rodger: in debian, 'dpkg --remove packagename' |
| 06:41.44 | Guerin | Rodger: linux doesn't have any programs. Next. |
| 06:42.04 | Rodger | but not everything comes in a debian package |
| 06:42.09 | Gigantic | Guerin: You didn't read the damn thing, and I sent you the msg not to flood anymore her, but it was you that started the discussion man |
| 06:42.14 | Guerin | Rodger: everything worth installing does. |
| 06:42.14 | wols_ | Rodger: in linux or in debian? |
| 06:42.19 | gpm | Guerin: nice! |
| 06:42.20 | peterS | Rodger: if what you're installing didn't come in a debian package, then you're on your own, I hope they supplied instructions for uninstalling |
| 06:42.28 | regulate | Rodger: unless you wrote it yourself, then it comes packaged somehow |
| 06:42.33 | Guerin | Gigantic: give up before peterS BANS J00 |
| 06:42.37 | wols_ | Rodger if it doesn't why are you installing it? and why are you asking about it here? |
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| 06:42.58 | Rodger | haha, what kind of question am I suppose to ask then? |
| 06:43.11 | Guerin | !iiritate Rodger |
| 06:43.15 | gpm | oh i don't know, ones related to debian? |
| 06:43.15 | Guerin | !irritate Rodger |
| 06:43.15 | dpkg | Rodger: Y iz debain so old? who uses sound lol |
| 06:43.17 | peterS | Rodger: installing usually is mostly a matter of copying files to system locations. uninstalling is therefore just a matter of removing files. the question is _what_ files. the advantage of a debian package is that the system can keep track of what files - so it can easily remove them. a manual installation usually does not do that. |
| 06:43.20 | Gigantic | Guerin: I already did, man relax, you are taking it too serious :) |
| 06:43.25 | Guerin | Rodger: something like that would be usual |
| 06:43.28 | Gigantic | !guiness to Guerin |
| 06:43.43 | gpm | !beer Guerin |
| 06:44.00 | Rodger | thanks peterS |
| 06:44.10 | Guerin | !beer++ |
| 06:44.13 | Rodger | you are typing super fast |
| 06:44.19 | gpm | see, what separates us from the ops is patience |
| 06:44.25 | regulate | mmm ipa |
| 06:44.27 | gpm | and brains |
| 06:44.35 | peterS | gpm: I wouldn't say brains |
| 06:44.36 | Guerin | gpm: and common sense |
| 06:44.43 | Guerin | and standing in the community |
| 06:44.46 | tralala | Rodger, that's what we do all they long, and that's the kind of skills you develop when you have no life |
| 06:44.49 | gpm | and remembering that it's just irc |
| 06:44.55 | peterS | then again, I'm in Kansas, so I can say "if only I had a braaaane" |
| 06:44.55 | gpm | standing in the community? really? |
| 06:44.59 | Rodger | I think I am just too used to the uninstall option in Windows |
| 06:45.14 | Rodger | :-) |
| 06:45.17 | gpm | with debian you can have something even easier |
| 06:45.17 | regulate | Rodger: same principle |
| 06:45.19 | gpm | and better |
| 06:45.31 | peterS | Rodger: that only works if the windows program has an installer that supports an uninstall option. which is equivalent to saying debian uninstall only works if the software was provided in debian format |
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| 06:45.54 | tralala | Rodger, the uninstall option in windows tends to scrap your OS when used too much, not so in debian |
| 06:45.55 | Rodger | I see, but because windows is much more popular |
| 06:46.10 | gpm | it gets all the chicks |
| 06:46.12 | Rodger | everything in windows has uninstall option |
| 06:46.14 | peterS | Rodger: the difference, perhaps, is that windows software tends to run only _one_ platform, so providing a proper installer is something most people actually do. whereas debian software also tends to run on other Linux platforms, so packaging it specifically for any given Linux platform is a bit more trouble |
| 06:46.14 | tralala | (assuming windows == OS) |
| 06:46.32 | Rodger | I see |
| 06:46.56 | Rodger | I ran into trouble one time uninstalling some package that I don't like |
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| 06:47.13 | tralala | Rodger, everything you install with aptitude has an uninstall options too which is much smarter than the windows one for that matter |
| 06:47.14 | Rodger | Debian end up removing a hole bunch of other that depends on it |
| 06:47.14 | gpm | if it ain't in debian main, i don't use it |
| 06:47.20 | wols_ | peterS: it shows that you don't run windows. "proper installer"... in what world do you live in and how are your crack prices? |
| 06:47.26 | Rodger | yes, I like aptitude |
| 06:47.31 | wols_ | gpm: what videocard do you use? |
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| 06:47.39 | peterS | Rodger: that's correct. what should debian do - _not_ remove things that require your package? if those things then break, it would be apt's fault |
| 06:47.44 | wols_ | Rodger: which package? |
| 06:47.55 | gpm | wols_: what spurred this question. anyway, it's a shitty nvidia gf 4 mx 420 |
| 06:48.01 | gpm | s/./? |
| 06:48.01 | tralala | wols_, my 9250 is supported in main |
| 06:48.05 | Rodger | can't remember, but I guess it was some version of python |
| 06:48.06 | wols_ | gpm: nvidia drivers :) |
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| 06:48.15 | gpm | wols_: heh, having fun yet? |
| 06:48.20 | wols_ | tralala: yes, you you're right |
| 06:48.24 | peterS | Rodger: indeed, a lot of debian software is written in python, you remove python, you break all that software. |
| 06:48.29 | Rodger | and I have a hard time with different versions of python |
| 06:48.42 | tralala | wols_, but I still use contrib and non-free |
| 06:48.52 | wols_ | Rodger: where did you get that version of python? |
| 06:48.54 | Rodger | because different software would want different version of python |
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| 06:48.56 | gpm | wols_: ok, i use non-free |
| 06:48.57 | gpm | i confess |
| 06:49.02 | gpm | and contrib |
| 06:49.06 | wols_ | and yes, python and it's modules can be a bitch in debian |
| 06:49.07 | gpm | and marillat! |
| 06:49.08 | Rodger | well from aptitude |
| 06:49.22 | gpm | now i'm really embarassed |
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| 06:49.31 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 06:49.38 | peterS | Rodger: you can install multiple python versions in debian, they're just called python2.3 and python2.4 and python2.5, and the one that gets to be 'python' is whatever the distribution says it should be (because some software in the distribution assumes that 'python' will be a specific one). |
| 06:49.41 | gpm | rms take me down now |
| 06:49.41 | wols_ | an evil proprietary software user, a patent rights breaker and god knows what else. I'm shocked, I'm shoked I tell you! |
| 06:49.54 | Azar | sorry for missing all the stuff , blame it on global warming who heats my PC |
| 06:50.03 | peterS | Rodger: you can point your third-party software at 'python2.5' or whatever, if you want |
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| 06:50.17 | peterS | Azar: sounds like extremely localised warming to me |
| 06:50.20 | Azar | peterS: what is your opinion of ZFS? read about it? |
| 06:50.32 | regulate | brtFS! |
| 06:50.36 | peterS | Azar: I think it's a giant layering violation and a lot of overengineered pointer sizes |
| 06:50.40 | Szeraax | i'm sure we all know apple isn't using it... |
| 06:50.40 | tralala | wols_, that's nothing - if you hadn't stopped me yesterday I would be a terrorist as well |
| 06:50.42 | Rodger | I guess I am both lazy and still haven't figured out how to tell each piece of software to look for the right python |
| 06:50.47 | peterS | Azar: but one of the designers is a really nice person (: |
| 06:50.49 | regulate | ooops btrfs |
| 06:51.03 | wols_ | tralala: would be? you already are. you are terrorizing #debian! |
| 06:51.06 | Azar | peterS: I read about the features and look very appealing |
| 06:51.21 | tralala | oh, now I remember! |
| 06:51.24 | tralala | !nopony wols_ |
| 06:51.24 | dpkg | wols_: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 06:51.25 | Azar | peterS: so I take it we not gonna see it on Debian, obviously |
| 06:51.28 | peterS | Azar: you mean the parts about how all filesystem addresses and sizes are 128 bits each? that's really efficient on 32-bit and 64-bit CPUs. |
| 06:51.30 | Gigantic | Azar: Nice |
| 06:51.52 | Azar | peterS: also the ease with partitioning |
| 06:51.58 | Rodger | I am a debian novice, so I will keep asking questions |
| 06:52.00 | wols_ | Azar: not until Sun fully GPLs it. fat chance :) |
| 06:52.04 | peterS | Azar: I'm guessing we won't see it in Debian for the simple reason that we aren't likely to see the Solaris kernel in Debian, and ZFS is part of the Solaris kernel |
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| 06:52.14 | Szeraax | Rodger: ask away |
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| 06:52.27 | wols_ | Rodger: that's fine. we till point you to specific manuals and say rtfm |
| 06:52.33 | Rodger | do you guys think linux was faster several years back? |
| 06:52.35 | peterS | Azar: ZFS integrates LVM into the filesystem. I don't see how it makes anything substantially easier than just using LVM in the first place. that's what I've done since about 1997 |
| 06:52.40 | rawson | any package similar to Autodesk? |
| 06:52.47 | quitte | there is a fuse implementation of zfs |
| 06:52.49 | sep | peterS, if they can port it to BSD why can't they port it to linux ? |
| 06:52.50 | Azar | wols_: yeah would be nice to see Sun gpl-ing it but reading the lknml... and the exchange between Linus and Jonathan.... |
| 06:53.05 | wols_ | peterS: well, they already GPL java. and when they marketshare is continuing to fall like it does, they might GPL solaris one day too :) |
| 06:53.07 | Rodger | because of all the new hardwares it has to support |
| 06:53.18 | tralala | is zfs somehow better than lvm + your favourite fs? |
| 06:53.18 | Szeraax | Rodger: but the code was messier |
| 06:53.21 | wols_ | sep: licenses |
| 06:53.26 | peterS | Azar: one thing ZFS does that LVM can't do yet is easy management of RAID volumes on a per-partition basis instead of the whole volume group at a time. that would be possible in LVM and I'd like to see someone do it |
| 06:53.26 | Rodger | hmm, |
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| 06:53.53 | Rodger | I have a spare PIII 550 computer and would like to play with Debian on it |
| 06:53.56 | wols_ | Rodger: hardware itself has nothing to do with it |
| 06:53.59 | Azar | peterS: hmmmm how long will RAID be around? |
| 06:54.06 | Szeraax | Rodger: and besides, hardware is auto detected |
| 06:54.12 | wols_ | that's just drivers and increases kernel size.t hat's all |
| 06:54.15 | peterS | Azar: as long as hard disks don't have infinite MTBF, I suppose |
| 06:54.20 | sep | Azar, as long as harddrives fail |
| 06:54.23 | Rodger | well, at least linux becomes bigger |
| 06:54.34 | Gigantic | wols_: it is already opensource |
| 06:54.38 | rawson | there is nothing that come close to Autodesk from debian? |
| 06:54.39 | wols_ | Rodger: memory and cache sizes increase faster |
| 06:54.39 | Rodger | because it has to have drivers for all those hardwares |
| 06:54.49 | Azar | sep, peterS, I already look forward to the obsoletion of the hard drives (at least as they are now) |
| 06:54.54 | wols_ | Gigantic: but not GPL comptaible |
| 06:54.57 | Guerin | Gigantic: not all oe source licenses are created equal. |
| 06:54.58 | wols_ | and ZFS is patented |
| 06:55.12 | peterS | Azar: I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for storage devices that will never fail |
| 06:55.19 | Guerin | though sun claim to be GPLv3ing it, rght after they do java |
| 06:55.20 | Gigantic | yes, cddl |
| 06:55.20 | peterS | flash, never failing? ha |
| 06:55.21 | sep | Azar, and flash never fails ? :)) |
| 06:55.31 | wols_ | Rodger: things that got slower are stuff like the task switcher. forks, etc. not the drivers |
| 06:55.35 | Guerin | Gigantic: cddl, the stupidest free software license ever devised |
| 06:55.43 | Gigantic | but Sun already promise to GPL it |
| 06:55.46 | Rodger | thanks wols |
| 06:55.55 | Guerin | Gigantic: you'll excuse me for not holding my breath |
| 06:56.02 | peterS | Gigantic: talk is cheap. we can praise them after they actually _do_ GPL it |
| 06:56.06 | Guerin | maybe they will, maybe they won't |
| 06:56.13 | Guerin | by ther actions shall they be judged |
| 06:56.23 | Azar | sep: it might fail but at least it keeps up with the speed of other hardware that keep advancing |
| 06:56.25 | Gigantic | peterS: *nod |
| 06:56.27 | peterS | this is what I say to AMD/ATI too |
| 06:56.32 | Guerin | at this point they're still a has-been unix vendor |
| 06:56.45 | wols_ | Sun is yet another PR-wannabe open source company (since their old business model doesn't work anymore either) |
| 06:56.57 | Rodger | where do you guys go look for helps on linux? |
| 06:56.59 | peterS | Guerin: oh, their presence in old unix shops is still considerable. question is whether they can expand to new markets when those finally dry up |
| 06:57.00 | Szeraax | Rodger: i bet linux is faster now than it was, unless your distro is loaded with more crap (programs espcially) than your older distros would have had |
| 06:57.00 | Rodger | irc? |
| 06:57.03 | Guerin | peterS: you keep stealing my thoroughly-sensible-and-quite-commonly-held opinions |
| 06:57.05 | wols_ | peterS: as long as amd/ati is competitive they won't do it. neither will nvidia |
| 06:57.13 | Szeraax | Rodger: irc, forums |
| 06:57.15 | Azar | wols_: at least (for now) they are on linux side vs ms |
| 06:57.22 | wols_ | Rodger: google. google. and google again. irc. mailinglists |
| 06:57.33 | wols_ | Azar: sun never ever was on linux' side |
| 06:57.38 | wols_ | and novell neither |
| 06:57.41 | Rodger | I find google not that easy to use |
| 06:57.47 | Azar | if the big blue haven't had moved on this side of the fence, maybe Sun would have never look in our yard |
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| 06:57.55 | Rodger | it return results that are not quite to the point |
| 06:57.55 | peterS | wols_: right but slashdot had a collective orgasm not too long ago when some AMD spokesperson made noises that could be interpreted as opening up 3D graphics IP |
| 06:58.01 | wols_ | Azar: ibm is not on our side |
| 06:58.02 | Gigantic | Rodger: Google+Man+Wikipedia |
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| 06:58.10 | wols_ | peterS: I read it. it was funny |
| 06:58.10 | peterS | wols_: "talk is cheap" is what they all needed to hear, I reckon |
| 06:58.15 | Guerin | Azar: IBM are hardly free software's greatest ally, either |
| 06:58.17 | Szeraax | Rodger: perhaps your not using the same keywords that the other lnux people tend to use |
| 06:58.18 | Azar | wols_: hmmmm at least theoretically |
| 06:58.24 | Guerin | though they are better than sun |
| 06:58.28 | wols_ | a marketroid speaks about legal/tech matter and slashdot gets its panties in a bunch |
| 06:58.32 | Azar | Guerin: I know, but we got a bit of support out there |
| 06:58.46 | Rodger | that is right, I need to know the keywords before I know the answer |
| 06:58.50 | Guerin | wols_: in farness, ISTR that marketroid being a former CTO |
| 06:59.09 | Guerin | though that may have been a different thing |
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| 06:59.11 | Azar | Guerin, wols_ it is the big virtual market battle and linux gets a bit of support from the ones that want to see ms down |
| 06:59.14 | Szeraax | Rodger: btw, do you have any questions as of now that we can try to answer? |
| 06:59.17 | peterS | Guerin: but the actual quote was very equivocal, I don't see how people leapt to the conclusion that he was talking about opening up their whole chip |
| 06:59.18 | wols_ | Guerin: so a manager speaks about tech matters? is that better than a marketroid? |
| 06:59.31 | Rodger | I actually do |
| 06:59.40 | wols_ | Rodger: if you don' know the keywords to use, it helps to come here and ask people about it |
| 06:59.40 | Guerin | wols_: a CTO will tend to have an engineering or technology background. |
| 06:59.45 | wols_ | they often give the right ones |
| 06:59.48 | Rodger | I was trying to figure out my video driver |
| 06:59.49 | Guerin | peterS: yes, I do agree. |
| 06:59.57 | Rodger | I see |
| 07:00.00 | Rodger | I love irc |
| 07:00.01 | wols_ | Guerin: from 20 years ago when punchcards ruled the world :) |
| 07:00.02 | Gigantic | *crap can't read that quick :p |
| 07:00.09 | Quintin | ping |
| 07:00.13 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.15 | Rodger | this is the third time I use it anyway |
| 07:00.19 | Guerin | wols_: heh |
| 07:00.24 | Azar | peterS: link, please... :) |
| 07:00.27 | Szeraax | Rodger: what kind is it? ati?nvidia? |
| 07:00.33 | Rodger | I have a savage |
| 07:00.35 | Szeraax | other? |
| 07:00.36 | wols_ | peterS: wishful thinking are the words. we rally like to hear what we hant to heat. I heard you want to gave me a pony. thank you so much! |
| 07:00.39 | peterS | Azar: I don't keep that kind of stuff around (: |
| 07:00.40 | Rodger | you know it was quite old |
| 07:00.43 | Guerin | Rodger: that's beyond help |
| 07:00.46 | Szeraax | yeah |
| 07:00.49 | Azar | peterS: ah.. :) ok |
| 07:00.55 | wols_ | Rodger: poor you |
| 07:01.05 | peterS | what, is the s3 savage so bad? |
| 07:01.07 | Rodger | hmm |
| 07:01.11 | wols_ | Rodger: I own a savage4. worst card for X I ever used (Xfree 4.x back then) |
| 07:01.11 | Quintin | slashdot should be destroyed |
| 07:01.12 | Rodger | poor me |
| 07:01.21 | Szeraax | Rodger: you are lucky if you have anything on the screen, let alone a terminal... :P |
| 07:01.27 | wols_ | Quintin: do you want to destroy comedy central too? you meanie! |
| 07:01.31 | wols_ | Rodger: notebook? |
| 07:01.34 | quitte | Rodger: xserver-xorg-video-savage |
| 07:01.34 | Rodger | then I guess I am lucky |
| 07:01.40 | Szeraax | lol |
| 07:01.41 | Rodger | no, it was a Compaq |
| 07:01.42 | Azar | wols_: ok IBM is not on this part of the fence, but mind you he was very nicely behind the scenes when the SCO was having tantrums |
| 07:01.42 | Quintin | wols_: comedy central can stay |
| 07:01.45 | peterS | should we start calling you Quintin the Elder, then? |
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| 07:01.49 | Rodger | presario |
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| 07:02.07 | Quintin | did I miss some important news or something? |
| 07:02.15 | wols_ | Rodger: then you are doubly unlucky. if normal PCI cards fit. but a ati9250 or so, or a gf2mx. should be 10$ |
| 07:02.23 | Szeraax | Rodger: how old is the compaq? |
| 07:02.24 | Azar | hmmmm who owns slashdot again? I read about this few months ago |
| 07:02.34 | mefistofeles | hey, I have a "dependency hell" hehe, new kernel asks for libc6 but libc6 asks for neew kernel :S any ideas? |
| 07:02.35 | wols_ | Azar: BS. SCO sued IBM. of course they defended themselves |
| 07:02.39 | gpm | bill gates |
| 07:02.41 | Szeraax | sourceforge... |
| 07:02.43 | peterS | VA Linux/Software/Research, isn't it? |
| 07:02.47 | Azar | yeah sourceforge |
| 07:02.47 | wols_ | do you think they'd done _anything_ if SCO sued RH or Sun? |
| 07:02.47 | Rodger | I got it in 2000 |
| 07:02.59 | wols_ | mefistofeles: /msg dpkg ba |
| 07:03.00 | wols_ | mefistofeles: /msg dpkg bat |
| 07:03.01 | quitte | what'S the problem with a savage? it does 2d and even some gl. |
| 07:03.03 | Szeraax | Rodger: was it brand spanking new, or used and oldish? |
| 07:03.07 | mefistofeles | wols_: ok thanks |
| 07:03.12 | Azar | wols_: oh right... right |
| 07:03.22 | wols_ | Quintin: awful drivers. awful hardware. shit all around |
| 07:03.32 | Quintin | wols_: huh? |
| 07:03.33 | Rodger | Szer, what is the difference between used and oldish? |
| 07:03.46 | wols_ | meant quite |
| 07:03.55 | regulate | Azar: see http://oss.oracle.com/projects/btrfs/ |
| 07:03.56 | mefistofeles | wols_: I ahve a problem, I dont have xserver, so pasting here is almost imposible |
| 07:03.57 | Gigantic | depends on how used and how old |
| 07:04.04 | tralala | wols_, anything like what?! Bribing the judge? |
| 07:04.05 | wols_ | !pastewithoutx |
| 07:04.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 07:04.05 | Rodger | it was old anyway |
| 07:04.10 | quitte | wols_: got it working without any trouble on a thinkpad t21 with etch |
| 07:04.14 | gpm | gpm!? |
| 07:04.18 | peterS | mefistofeles: yeah libc6 2.5 requires linux kernel 2.6. you can install an etch kernel image, though, to break out of your loop |
| 07:04.20 | Azar | gmp what |
| 07:04.29 | Rodger | I am thinking of doing a dual install to have both xp and debian |
| 07:04.32 | mefistofeles | peterS: yeah I think I'll do that |
| 07:04.33 | peterS | mefistofeles: etch kernel image meaning, linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 or similar |
| 07:04.36 | Quintin | Rodger: heathen |
| 07:04.41 | mefistofeles | wols_: /dev/input/mice isnt working either lol |
| 07:04.42 | wols_ | quitte: I got it working without problems too. it just didn't work vrey well: swithc to a VT and BOOM. scrambled X |
| 07:04.47 | Szeraax | Rodger: not a bad idea. make sure you have windows on first... |
| 07:04.58 | Rodger | oh, I have it right now |
| 07:04.59 | Quintin | what do I need on debian to make apache do cgi stuff? (I'm trying to run awstats |
| 07:05.02 | Quintin | !cgi |
| 07:05.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cgi is (Common Gateway Interface) This interface allows scripts or programs to run on a Web server. All Web servers support CGI scripting. You can make a CGI script do pretty much anything a computer program can. Most commonly, they are implemented to control user interaction with the Web server on a Web site. You can use them to password-protect certain parts of your site, or save a user survey to a file on the ... |
| 07:05.03 | Rodger | it is running great |
| 07:05.09 | Szeraax | Rodger: better than vista and deb... |
| 07:05.09 | gpm | o/o all |
| 07:05.11 | mefistofeles | lets try the long way with etch |
| 07:05.13 | Szeraax | :) |
| 07:05.14 | wols_ | quitte: upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.ph |
| 07:05.15 | Guerin | Quintin: aptitude search apache |grep cgi |
| 07:05.25 | Rodger | but I want to starting buiding a webserver on linux |
| 07:05.27 | Quintin | Guerin: naturally that's what I did. there's a number of things |
| 07:05.28 | wols_ | quitte: get fastcgi |
| 07:05.34 | Rodger | using this old pal |
| 07:05.35 | Quintin | That info needs to be changed, not all web servers support cgi :p |
| 07:05.45 | wols_ | Rodger: then ther is no videcard needed anyways. and certainly no X |
| 07:05.50 | peterS | Quintin: what version of apache - there are 4 or so in etch. there is apache (which is 1.3), apache2-mpm-prefork (which is 2.2), apache2-mpm-worker (also 2.2).... |
| 07:05.53 | Rodger | that is right |
| 07:05.55 | Guerin | Quintin: the one starting with libapache2_mod is probably the one |
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| 07:05.57 | Quintin | peterS: 2, naturally |
| 07:06.02 | Szeraax | wols_: unless he loves the gui... |
| 07:06.03 | Azar | wols_: so you guys think all those commercial software companies are flipping their eyelashes towards free software just because is "en vogue" and want to pose as wannabees to get more customers? |
| 07:06.04 | Rodger | as long as it gives me irc |
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| 07:06.19 | peterS | Quintin: not "naturally", you said apache, so if I took you literally as to package name it would be 1.3 |
| 07:06.21 | wols_ | who loves a gui on a server? are we in #windows or what? |
| 07:06.24 | wols_ | sheesh |
| 07:06.28 | mike__ | I cannot d/load add ons in ice weasel? |
| 07:06.34 | Quintin | gui on server? bleh |
| 07:06.34 | mike__ | any ideas |
| 07:06.42 | wols_ | !any ideas |
| 07:06.42 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen sex-crazed oxen. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 07:06.45 | tralala | gui servers rock! |
| 07:06.51 | peterS | Quintin: so uh, 'a2enmod cgi' |
| 07:06.53 | wols_ | !tell mike__ about smart questions |
| 07:06.54 | Szeraax | lol |
| 07:06.59 | peterS | to enable the cgi module on apache2 |
| 07:07.12 | Quintin | This module is already enabled! |
| 07:07.14 | Azar | gui on a server.... maybe the IT guys get bored during the hours and would like to have some gui games... gui chat... gui porn |
| 07:07.26 | Gigantic | wols_: Only GUI you need is ncurses |
| 07:07.26 | Quintin | gooey porn? |
| 07:07.34 | Quintin | mplayer can output in ASCII |
| 07:07.37 | Azar | Quintin: 3D pr0n |
| 07:07.44 | tralala | mike__, my idea is that you're doing something wrong |
| 07:08.09 | Azar | some companies mannnn.... |
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| 07:08.19 | mike__ | tralala: Debian sid,,Might be the prob |
| 07:08.22 | wols_ | quitte: ever tried ascii pr0n? just not the same |
| 07:08.28 | Quintin | Do I need to do anything besides have an executable file with a .cgi extension to make things go? Right now it's printing out the file text instead of being executed |
| 07:08.29 | peterS | Quintin: there you go then. you may need to configure it. telling the web server that a given file is actually a CGI program is a little bit involved, depending on how you want it to determine this fact |
| 07:08.30 | Szeraax | Rodger: so have you already installed eb on the box? |
| 07:08.32 | wols_ | even if some of the lines can be very sexy. that / over ythere... |
| 07:08.36 | Azar | 3D ascii is possible why not |
| 07:08.47 | tralala | mike__, I knew it - you are doing something wrong, which is using sid! |
| 07:08.48 | Szeraax | deb* |
| 07:08.53 | wols_ | quitte: you also need it in a cgi-bin directory |
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| 07:09.02 | peterS | wols_: not true |
| 07:09.05 | mike__ | tralala: :) |
| 07:09.28 | wols_ | peterS: don't you need to designate a directory to make it run cgi scripts? |
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| 07:09.55 | Rodger | Szer: not yet, I am planning to |
| 07:09.59 | Guerin | peterS: careful. Quintin gets arsey when you expect him to be precise. |
| 07:10.01 | peterS | Quintin: the .cgi extension is one way to signal that your file is actually a CGI program. there are others. the file to look into configuring is /etc/apache2/apache2.conf. there is a "AddHandler cgi-script .cgi" line commented out. look there and read the comments above it |
| 07:10.03 | Rodger | I had Debian on it before |
| 07:10.12 | Szeraax | Rodger: what better time then now? |
| 07:10.15 | Szeraax | :) |
| 07:10.17 | Rodger | why? |
| 07:10.21 | Quintin | peterS: k, thanks. |
| 07:10.22 | Azar | I need a shrink: I am , like any Debian stable (person) frozen forever infatuated with a non-gui environment. It might not be normal, in fact it might be really contraproductive, I developed a fear of multimediazation of a PC |
| 07:10.26 | Rodger | a new Debian just released? |
| 07:10.30 | peterS | wols_: there are multiple ways to tell the web server what is supposed to be a cgi program and what is not. a specific directory like cgi-bin is only one way |
| 07:10.43 | Azar | Rodger: the next Debian release maybe at the end of 2008 |
| 07:10.47 | Szeraax | there's etch |
| 07:10.49 | cafuego | Azar: Nah, GUIs rock. |
| 07:11.02 | mike__ | Azar: A real fossil |
| 07:11.03 | cafuego | Azar: X is a really good way of running 16 concurrect xterms, all with `screen'. |
| 07:11.06 | Azar | cafuego: it is my fear of the unknown behind the gui |
| 07:11.14 | peterS | Rodger: dunno, I think a point release 4.0r1 is in the works but hasn't actually been released quite yet. I could be out of date. |
| 07:11.17 | Guerin | cafuego: it's hard to do that in a console, for sure |
| 07:11.25 | Azar | cafuego: I run X but not a gui .dm |
| 07:11.35 | peterS | Rodger: but 4.0r1 is identical to 4.0r0, released in early April, except for a handful of security fixes you can also get from security.debian.org |
| 07:11.36 | Guerin | nested screens = pain |
| 07:11.38 | Quintin | woohoo |
| 07:11.51 | cafuego | ^A^A^A^Ac |
| 07:11.58 | cafuego | certainly they are |
| 07:12.00 | wols_ | cafuego: but it's no server. unless you want to run sevreal webservers of course for shared hosting. then you might need sevreal xterms. and use some multitasking with screen cause otherwise you won't have enough screen space |
| 07:12.18 | peterS | screen space, har har har |
| 07:12.26 | tralala | cafuego, plain X is not nearly as good as KDE with a multitab konsole running screens |
| 07:12.29 | Azar | on the other handdddddddddd, Linus acknowledged that the fast release cycle of kernels give birth to horrible buggy kernels (i.e. 2.6.21 << horrible) |
| 07:12.38 | peterS | tralala: konsole? meh |
| 07:12.46 | cafuego | tralala: a wet piece of paper is better than KDE as fara s I'm concerned |
| 07:13.01 | wols_ | tralala: mrsvt |
| 07:13.02 | tralala | meh, kde haters |
| 07:13.10 | wols_ | mrxvt |
| 07:13.12 | mefistofeles | lol |
| 07:13.13 | Azar | bah .dm |
| 07:13.17 | Guerin | console is fucking wrong |
| 07:13.19 | peterS | wols_: MrsVT, is that like MsPacman? |
| 07:13.22 | Guerin | err, i mean konsole |
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| 07:13.27 | Guerin | it swallows my keystrokes |
| 07:13.33 | cafuego | wols_: The hosting server runs part of X, just enough to let inkscape run in command line mode. |
| 07:13.47 | wols_ | peterS: but older. more wrinkles |
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| 07:13.55 | tralala | every programme that starts with a K is automatically uber cool. Especially when it's misspelled! |
| 07:14.01 | SoulChild | hey all,... what filesystem do you prefere for / ? |
| 07:14.05 | wols_ | cafuego: what does inkscape do on ther webserver? |
| 07:14.05 | Guerin | tralala: that's krap |
| 07:14.07 | rxKaffee | where do I disable the spawning of getty's for tty1-6? |
| 07:14.10 | Azar | krapola |
| 07:14.13 | peterS | rxKaffee: /etc/inittab |
| 07:14.18 | wols_ | SoulChild: ext3 |
| 07:14.20 | wols_ | !ext3 |
| 07:14.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about "ext2->ext3", "xfs" and "ricerfs". |
| 07:14.22 | cafuego | wols_: it eats generated svg files and saves them as PDFs |
| 07:14.23 | rxKaffee | thanks peterS |
| 07:14.26 | SoulChild | wols_: ok thanks ,.. |
| 07:14.33 | tralala | Guerin, you've got my point :)) |
| 07:14.40 | mefistofeles | !ricerfs |
| 07:14.40 | dpkg | ricerfs is probably the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 07:14.50 | mefistofeles | lol |
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| 07:14.56 | mefistofeles | I use reiser lol |
| 07:15.04 | Azar | ext3 rocks |
| 07:15.10 | cafuego | mefistofeles: Yes, the 'lol' is a dead giveaway |
| 07:15.11 | peterS | and, by amazing coincidence, you also end your sentences with "lol" |
| 07:15.11 | Guerin | mefistofeles: i bet you drive a lowered honda civic with no exhaust, too |
| 07:15.11 | Szeraax | ext3 here |
| 07:15.23 | peterS | oh dear, now I'm stealing cafuego's thoughts instead of Guerin's |
| 07:15.30 | Azar | :) hehe |
| 07:15.34 | Guerin | peterS: i think you're making a profit, there |
| 07:15.41 | xand | is there a way to tell why a machine rebooted? I got this message: "The system is going down for reboot NOW!" but have no idea why it did so, in the middle of the night :| |
| 07:15.42 | mefistofeles | Guerin: I actually have no car |
| 07:15.44 | Guerin | over mine, I mean |
| 07:15.55 | peterS | Guerin: I never did figure out step 2 in that scheme, though. Step 1: steal other people's clever thoughts on irc. |
| 07:16.16 | Guerin | peterS: we are all still wrestling with that great conundrum |
| 07:16.21 | peterS | xand: read /var/log/syslog |
| 07:16.23 | cafuego | xand: it usually says *that* if someone ahs run 'reboot' or pressed ctrl-alt-del. |
| 07:16.26 | wols_ | peterS: sell them back: "do you want to stay stupid or do you want to be smart again". 3 profit! |
| 07:16.29 | Azar | well good night honorables, alas have to shut down due to global warming, my lmsensors are beeping the alarm again... |
| 07:16.31 | tralala | /dev/mapper/seagate250-amd64 on / type reiserfs (rw) |
| 07:16.31 | Guerin | you'll know when I figure it out because I'll disappear |
| 07:16.39 | Guerin | to the same place bob2 and greycat went |
| 07:16.50 | cafuego | bob2 is fine |
| 07:16.56 | rxKaffee | would it be more appropriate for a remote server to change to a default runlevel that does not spawn gettys (4,5) or to just comment out the getty lines? its a virtual server, so it'll never be booted to need anything associated with ttyX |
| 07:17.03 | cafuego | just grew a life ;-) |
| 07:17.07 | peterS | cafuego: yeah, well, you're the only one who's seen him in the past year |
| 07:17.12 | Guerin | cafuego: that's what I mean |
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| 07:17.32 | wols_ | cafuego: life? what network is that on? |
| 07:17.45 | Guerin | wols_: you can even get a second one these days, I hear |
| 07:17.51 | cafuego | wols_: animal planet |
| 07:17.51 | Guerin | life redundancy |
| 07:18.13 | peterS | if you wanted 11-way redundancy, would you get "10 second life"? |
| 07:18.17 | cafuego | that reminds me, i need to check that secondlife deb |
| 07:18.21 | wols_ | Guerin: that that is fully graphical and is completely deominated by greed and commercialized. who'd want that? |
| 07:18.27 | Guerin | peterS: catlife might get you 9-way |
| 07:18.33 | peterS | right, right |
| 07:18.54 | Guerin | wols_: time for another one, just like the other one! |
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| 07:18.56 | tralala | Guerin, how can you get a second one not haveing a first?! |
| 07:19.04 | wols_ | 3rd life? |
| 07:19.07 | Guerin | tralala: no, not having a first is a *requirement* |
| 07:19.29 | Guerin | if you have a first one, then getting a second one is just being greedy |
| 07:19.34 | tralala | Guerin, oh, right! |
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| 07:20.43 | Guerin | ah, it's time for me to re-immerse myself in 1970s game theory, symbolic politics and mythic discourse texts |
| 07:20.58 | wols_ | Guerin: what's the topic? |
| 07:21.01 | Guerin | i have a workmake ho was really hoping for a second cold war |
| 07:21.17 | jetscreamer | second life i think |
| 07:21.30 | wols_ | Guerin: for us westerners it was good. the poor socialists got the worse deal there |
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| 07:21.38 | Guerin | wols_: character assassination of a powerful leader by talkback radio hosts |
| 07:21.56 | Guerin | wols_: i think that's why he wants it back |
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| 07:22.05 | cafuego | wols_: Um, i'm from a socialist western nation. |
| 07:22.07 | Guerin | wols_: i take it you're from East germany, then? |
| 07:22.15 | wols_ | but e.g. us germans probably had more freedoms back then than now. as do merkins: better hunt for commies than for terrorists |
| 07:22.22 | Guerin | cafuego: australia, or holand? not that either are even close to socialist. |
| 07:22.23 | wols_ | Guerin: west |
| 07:22.31 | Guerin | s/l/ll/ |
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| 07:22.44 | wols_ | cafuego: real existing scoialism. communist wannabes |
| 07:22.45 | cafuego | Guerin: holland had a socialist government when i left (a bit less so now). |
| 07:22.57 | Guerin | cafuego: not in any meaningful sense of the word |
| 07:23.10 | wols_ | cafuego: it's not a socialist country tho. possibly scandinavia but not hollany |
| 07:23.14 | cafuego | Guerin: not the "we say socialism but mean communism" kind americans like to use |
| 07:23.26 | wols_ | do you have actual socialists or just social democrats in power back then cafuego? |
| 07:23.33 | Guerin | cafuego: get back to me when a `socialist' government has nationalised agriculture or banned private property |
| 07:23.41 | cafuego | wols_: actual socialists back then |
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| 07:24.19 | Guerin | cafuego: until then `socialist' is just code for `we're elites and we want the government to laissez-faire' |
| 07:24.21 | peterS | wols_: when you said "scoialism" I almost thought you typed that on purpose. I was thinking "wtf does SCO have to do with this?" |
| 07:25.05 | cafuego | Guerin: heh |
| 07:25.39 | ma3x | when I create .xsession file my xorg doesn't launch anymore. why? |
| 07:25.51 | Guerin | ma3x: because of the reaqson described in the logs. |
| 07:25.58 | Snapser | lol |
| 07:25.59 | ma3x | Guerin, let me see again |
| 07:26.02 | ma3x | hold on |
| 07:26.03 | cafuego | you created an invalid .xsession file (or maybe it's empty, so X doesn't know what to do) |
| 07:26.39 | tralala | Guerin, now that would be communism wouldn't it? |
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| 07:27.24 | wols_ | peterS: you misunderstand my capability to fuck up :) |
| 07:27.58 | ma3x | Guerin nothing special in xorg logfile, X launches shows the mouse and then quits. the last line is FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
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| 07:30.11 | boguh_ | hi, how can i see to which package a file belongs? |
| 07:30.22 | wols_ | boguh_: dpkg -S |
| 07:30.33 | ma3x | Guerin http://paste.debian.net/31086 |
| 07:31.34 | Quintin | nite nite |
| 07:31.38 | boguh_ | wols_ thx |
| 07:31.48 | Guerin | tralala: no. |
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| 07:35.39 | sid | How can I have deborphan go through the entire list of packages on my system, and present me to p(purge), r(remove) etc for all packages or groups of packages |
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| 07:36.09 | sid | it seems to have changed since I last used it a year ago, the default behavior. And I don't see any such behavior option in the man page |
| 07:36.14 | quitte | can someone explain to me what debootstrap does? I'm wondering how I can make a simple rootfs from uclibc busybox and configfiles debs. |
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| 07:37.02 | sid | !debootstrap |
| 07:37.02 | dpkg | debootstrap is probably <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 07:37.12 | Guerin | sid: are you thinking of debfoster? |
| 07:37.18 | sid | Guerin: ahh, thanks |
| 07:37.19 | quitte | the prblem is that i don't understand where the initial dpkg database comes from. |
| 07:37.42 | peterS | quitte: what it does? downloads and unpacks a debian base system to a specified directory. with a certain amount of magic for selecting the packages to install in the base system, and certain other magic to allow certain problematic packages to install to a chrooted environment rather than the host system |
| 07:38.30 | quitte | peterS: yes. i know what it does. but i dont understand how. especially the part of creating the empty dpkg database |
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| 07:38.46 | Guerin | quitte: utsl |
| 07:38.57 | quitte | Guerin: ? |
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| 07:39.30 | peterS | quitte: it's all POSIX shell, you can read all about it in /usr/sbin/debootstrap and /usr/lib/debootstrap/functions |
| 07:39.31 | Guerin | since debootstrap just copies a bunch of files and then installs a bunch of debian packages, it can build its own status file |
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| 07:39.42 | Guerin | !utsl |
| 07:39.42 | dpkg | hmm... utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 07:39.46 | arooni | how do i add a script in init.d to run on startup? |
| 07:39.47 | peterS | (and /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch et. al.) |
| 07:39.49 | arooni | on debian etch? |
| 07:39.59 | sid | Guerin: in sid, network manager doesn't seem to work well, it wasn't even installed with gnome. I had to manually install it. And now that I installed it, when I click on it..it's this weird window. It doesn't present me with a list of wireless access points, and I can easily just click one and it auto connects easily. sid did this a couple months ago though. |
| 07:40.01 | Guerin | arooni: update-rc.d --help |
| 07:40.07 | sid | Guerin: Is network manager not the package I want? |
| 07:40.12 | peterS | arooni: you've already got the script? then use update-rc.d |
| 07:40.19 | arooni | yups i have the script already |
| 07:40.20 | arooni | ok |
| 07:40.22 | peterS | ahh, I'm back to copying Guerin's brilliant thoughts |
| 07:40.34 | Guerin | sid: no idea, I dn't use gui networking tools |
| 07:40.47 | Guerin | peterS: just because cafuego took off |
| 07:40.52 | peterS | *nod* |
| 07:40.53 | Guerin | still |
| 07:40.58 | Guerin | i will soon be as well |
| 07:41.06 | arooni | what am i seeing : /etc/rc0.d/K20mongrel_processes -> ../init.d/mongrel_processes |
| 07:41.08 | Guerin | my wfe needs picked up from the pub |
| 07:41.09 | quitte | sigh. perl is the language i can parse the least |
| 07:41.16 | arooni | theres a bunch of them rc0, rc1, |
| 07:41.18 | peterS | and speaking of *nod*, I should go to sleep at some point. after typing an email. so I do believe cafuego, Guerin and I will all be gone soon |
| 07:41.18 | Guerin | arooni: symbolic links |
| 07:41.26 | Guerin | arooni: that's wat you want |
| 07:42.03 | arooni | and by default, debian passes the start argument |
| 07:42.06 | quitte | oh it really is shell |
| 07:42.09 | arooni | into my startup script right? |
| 07:42.29 | arooni | omg |
| 07:42.33 | arooni | that worked really well! |
| 07:42.33 | Guerin | arooni: if the symlink starts with S, yes. |
| 07:42.34 | arooni | thanks folks! |
| 07:42.39 | Guerin | arooni: OMG! |
| 07:42.50 | Guerin | shock, an OS which has tols that *work* |
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| 07:43.06 | arooni | well i'm coming from windows |
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| 07:43.11 | peterS | heh |
| 07:43.12 | Guerin | indeed |
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| 07:43.36 | arooni | ive abondned windows a couple months ago... now its ubuntu at home and debian etch on production server |
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| 07:47.22 | ma3x | helloo been waiting 10 mins for an answer |
| 07:48.25 | Szeraax | what's the question? |
| 07:48.48 | ma3x | if i do 'touch .xsession' X launches and quits immediately |
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| 07:49.01 | ma3x | I pasted the logfile but there's nothing useful from it I guess |
| 07:49.10 | ma3x | http://paste.debian.net/31086 |
| 07:49.11 | amphi | ma3x: why wouldn't it? |
| 07:49.13 | Szeraax | so waht are you trying to do? succesfully run that command?/ or run x? |
| 07:49.27 | ma3x | run x |
| 07:49.30 | ma3x | startx |
| 07:49.37 | ma3x | amphi it shouldn't |
| 07:49.55 | ma3x | even if i put the command i'd like 'xset s off' in it, it quits again |
| 07:50.03 | amphi | ma3x: yes, it should, as far as I know |
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| 07:50.28 | Szeraax | so you have no clue why it crashes? |
| 07:50.34 | ma3x | no |
| 07:50.44 | Szeraax | when you type startx, it doesnt give any errors right there? |
| 07:50.44 | ma3x | amphi why should it |
| 07:50.58 | ma3x | Szeraax nope, I pasted the logfile, see |
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| 07:51.39 | Szeraax | well, usually it gives the errors right there, so you dont have to sort througha logfile |
| 07:51.44 | quitte | ma3x: /usr/share/doc/x11-common/examples/xsession <- from the Xsession manpage |
| 07:51.48 | ma3x | Szeraax when i type startx it launches x, you can see the mouse pointer and then quits |
| 07:52.12 | rcbarnes | I'm using the free ati drivers and I have a 7000 with two moniters. I can't get anything but twin-view working, and my google searches are turning up piles of unanswered ultra-specific quesions that don't apply to me. Could someone point me in the right direction? |
| 07:52.16 | quitte | ma3x: your xsession doesn't start a client on the xserver. so it quits |
| 07:52.20 | amphi | ma3x: because X expects at least on program to be run from .xsession; when that process terminates, X also terminates; the xterm you get when you do xinit is that program in that case |
| 07:52.30 | amphi | *at least one |
| 07:52.59 | Szeraax | ah |
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| 07:53.08 | Szeraax | yeah, its your drivers |
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| 07:53.37 | amphi | ma3x: what would you do with an xserver with no shell and no window manager or key-grabber? |
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| 07:53.57 | Szeraax | amphi, i think, he just wants gui and doesnt care how he gets it |
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| 07:54.15 | ma3x | you can i should add startkde to .xsession? |
| 07:54.18 | Adlai | !beer me |
| 07:54.18 | Szeraax | ma3x, yeah, do you have specific drivers enabled? |
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| 07:54.24 | amphi | Szeraax: an xserver with no clients is hardly a UI ;) |
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| 07:54.37 | ma3x | Szeraax drivers for what? I have fglrx and synaptics |
| 07:54.46 | ma3x | Szeraax but they're not causing the problem |
| 07:54.49 | amphi | ma3x: that should do (if that's how one starts kde) |
| 07:54.51 | Szeraax | ma3x, sorry. video drivers |
| 07:55.05 | amphi | ma3x: don't do 'startkde &' though ;) |
| 07:55.09 | ma3x | amphi so I add a line startkde to .xsession |
| 07:55.10 | Szeraax | oh, its the video drivers alright |
| 07:55.36 | Szeraax | are you using xorg or xfree? |
| 07:55.56 | ma3x | ok amphi that works |
| 07:56.05 | rcbarnes | Searches thus far include "xorg" "debian dual-head config" "debian dual-head ati" "debian ati config" and a lot of time fruitlessly lookin on the debian wiki |
| 07:56.07 | Szeraax | so you got it working? |
| 07:56.20 | ma3x | thanks |
| 07:56.24 | ma3x | yes, ia added statkde |
| 07:56.25 | Szeraax | cool |
| 07:56.32 | Szeraax | lol |
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| 07:56.45 | Szeraax | amphi, i guess i fully didnt understand what his problem was |
| 07:57.10 | quitte | ma3x: why are you using .xsession anyways? seems to me that .xinitrc is what you should be looking at |
| 07:57.12 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, ok what are you trying to do? |
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| 07:57.31 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: multi-moniter display |
| 07:57.43 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, does it work at all right now? |
| 07:57.45 | rcbarnes | (double my desktop space) |
| 07:57.58 | rcbarnes | no, it is using twin-view(?) |
| 07:58.04 | rcbarnes | screen mirroring |
| 07:58.07 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, is it only on mon working? or the same thing on both? |
| 07:58.08 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, ok |
| 07:58.46 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, man, i had the same prob with ubuntu on my bros nvida card... i wish i could remember what i did... |
| 07:59.05 | ma3x | quitte can i put xset options to .xinitrc? |
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| 07:59.15 | rcbarnes | It's incredibly frustrating. And I get such crap google results |
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| 07:59.40 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, if i remember i had to edit something in the xorg.conf file... |
| 07:59.54 | rcbarnes | Yeah, I've been there for over an hour |
| 07:59.59 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, soemthing like give each one a name\indentifer and such |
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| 08:00.18 | quitte | ma3x: can'T think of a reason why itshouldn'T work |
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| 08:01.03 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, can you paste your xorg.conf file? |
| 08:01.08 | Szeraax | in a bin? |
| 08:01.31 | rcbarnes | yeah, hang on. |
| 08:01.35 | Szeraax | k |
| 08:01.38 | rcbarnes | I have an idea I'm gonna try |
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| 08:02.06 | Szeraax | i think i jsut got it |
| 08:02.09 | Szeraax | but do what ever |
| 08:02.18 | Szeraax | so long as it works :P |
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| 08:03.19 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: nope. pasting current config now |
| 08:03.27 | Szeraax | k |
| 08:03.55 | ma3x | quitte what about those font errors I get in the logfile? |
| 08:04.00 | ma3x | http://paste.debian.net/31086 |
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| 08:04.34 | jetscreamer | fix it |
| 08:04.37 | ma3x | how? |
| 08:04.42 | Halleck | random question, but what's the quickest way to send a short string (like a URL) from one machine to another? I guess I'm looking for a way to "cut" something on one machine and "paste" it in on the other. |
| 08:04.51 | jetscreamer | but it's totally ignorable |
| 08:05.01 | jetscreamer | by installing the fonts or fixing the paths? |
| 08:05.01 | ma3x | jetscreamer they are all the fontpaths I have in xorg.conf |
| 08:05.03 | Szeraax | the file indicates that it is trying to use directdraw... |
| 08:05.04 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: here (it's got random crap done to it, though): http://pastebin.com/933904 |
| 08:06.34 | Halleck | I suppose I could ssh in and write the string to a file, or use some sort of web service, but I was wondering if there is a simpler method |
| 08:07.06 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: okay, how about if i pull that? |
| 08:07.18 | Szeraax | ? |
| 08:07.31 | amphi | Halleck: netcat? |
| 08:07.34 | jetscreamer | the X11R6 is changed iirc, or so |
| 08:07.47 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, are you asking about the direct draw thing? |
| 08:07.54 | jetscreamer | hey btw modprobe the drm module maybe |
| 08:07.56 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, that was for another logfile |
| 08:07.58 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: yeah, what if I comment out those lines |
| 08:08.01 | jetscreamer | use modconf father |
| 08:08.07 | jetscreamer | rather |
| 08:08.08 | zoredache | Halleck: setup both machines on irc, or an instant message server? |
| 08:08.11 | rcbarnes | (are you referringto the fbdev, or the dri) |
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| 08:08.25 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: oh. |
| 08:08.27 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, dri. i havent said anything about fbdev |
| 08:08.31 | zoredache | or perhaps setup the ancient talk program or something |
| 08:08.35 | jetscreamer | dri heh |
| 08:08.46 | jetscreamer | drm |
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| 08:09.04 | rcbarnes | okay, commented out |
| 08:09.07 | rcbarnes | restarting X |
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| 08:09.44 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, if that doesnt work, i think i found something... |
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| 08:09.54 | drwahl_ | i tried installing nvidia drivers, and it seemed to work (no errors) but whenever i try to run a 3d application, or glxinfo, i get "seg fault" |
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| 08:10.07 | ma3x | why apt-file search /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc shows nothing |
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| 08:10.47 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: no change with the restart |
| 08:10.50 | zoredache | ma3x, perhaps the files are left over from some previous package? |
| 08:10.57 | jetscreamer | drwahl_: m-a a-i or the nv.run |
| 08:10.58 | Szeraax | ok |
| 08:11.14 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: i already did that, and both exit without any errors |
| 08:11.17 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, go back to the pastebin logfile |
| 08:11.31 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, in the server layout section, you will see that i edited a little |
| 08:11.34 | jetscreamer | drwahl_: it was a question, which method did you install nvidia with |
| 08:11.46 | tralala | jetscreamer, that's what you get for not using punctuation! |
| 08:11.50 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, try changing your conf file to have those 2 changes |
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| 08:12.10 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, do you see them? |
| 08:12.18 | rcbarnes | pastbin's not loading for some reason... |
| 08:12.26 | Szeraax | its been a bit slow for me |
| 08:12.29 | rcbarnes | there we go. slow as hell, though |
| 08:12.30 | Szeraax | but still loading |
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| 08:12.36 | Szeraax | lol, yup |
| 08:12.40 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: ah, i tried both, and both seem to exit succesfully. i first did m-a, but after i get the seg fault, then i tried nv.run |
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| 08:13.25 | jetscreamer | drwahl_: after you did the m-a a-i nvidia, did you apt-get install nvidia-glx ? |
| 08:13.32 | ma3x | solemnwarning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi does not exist or is not a directory |
| 08:13.38 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, so do you see what i changed under server layout? |
| 08:14.04 | rcbarnes | I just replaced teh whole thing |
| 08:14.04 | rcbarnes | I've got a backup of my changes |
| 08:14.04 | ma3x | should i create that directory |
| 08:14.04 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: yes. i actually followed the walkthough from the debian website |
| 08:14.04 | ma3x | why installing the package won't create the directory |
| 08:14.04 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, alright... |
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| 08:14.22 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 08:14.34 | Szeraax | drwahl_, walkthrough... ha. |
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| 08:15.00 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: no change |
| 08:15.19 | Szeraax | ok |
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| 08:15.28 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, i still have one more theory |
| 08:15.42 | jetscreamer | drwahl_: what vid card/gpu |
| 08:15.45 | drwahl_ | i notice that "modprobe nvidia" does not dispaly anything. is that maybe important? |
| 08:15.53 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: nvidia 7900gs |
| 08:16.13 | jetscreamer | drwahl_: what does less /var/log/nvidia-installer say? |
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| 08:16.49 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: no file |
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| 08:17.47 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: i also get a seg fault when i try to run nvidia-settings |
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| 08:18.09 | jetscreamer | drwahl_: try uninstalling the debian nvidia stuff, and pasting this, as root: |
| 08:18.11 | jetscreamer | apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.11/*-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg0.run -anNK --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
| 08:18.33 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, i may have found another\real thing to fix it |
| 08:18.36 | olspookishmagus | anyone using unstable PLZ give me one line from his/hers /etc/apt/source.list |
| 08:18.40 | jetscreamer | m-a a-i nvidia 'just works' for me though |
| 08:18.42 | jetscreamer | so does that |
| 08:18.44 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: by "uninstall debian nvidia stuff" do you mean "nv"? |
| 08:18.52 | jetscreamer | you may need other packages also |
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| 08:19.00 | jetscreamer | like a decent build environment |
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| 08:19.10 | drwahl_ | this is a fresh install |
| 08:19.19 | drwahl_ | net install, lenny |
| 08:19.26 | jetscreamer | drwahl_: no i mean like nvidia-kernel-blah and nvidia-glx |
| 08:19.36 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: ah, ok |
| 08:19.39 | rcbarnes | :-) |
| 08:19.47 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, sry, pastebin is slow, and i dont like editing in little boxes... |
| 08:19.48 | drwahl_ | so apt-get remove those, and try to m-a again? |
| 08:19.59 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: np |
| 08:20.00 | jetscreamer | drwahl_: no, paste what i pasted |
| 08:20.11 | jetscreamer | you may need other packages also like a decent build env |
| 08:20.13 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: ok, will do. brb if i crash :) |
| 08:20.14 | jetscreamer | apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.11/*-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.11-pkg0.run -anNK --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
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| 08:20.53 | jetscreamer | add build-essential, xserver-xorg-dev, linux-headers-`uname -r`,libncurses5-dev |
| 08:20.56 | jetscreamer | others... |
| 08:20.59 | jetscreamer | if needed |
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| 08:21.03 | drwahl_ | ok |
| 08:21.07 | jetscreamer | to the apt-ge tline |
| 08:21.43 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 08:21.55 | jetscreamer | -anN -anNK |
| 08:21.59 | jetscreamer | err |
| 08:22.03 | jetscreamer | -anN not -anNK |
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| 08:22.14 | jetscreamer | the K is for keep an existing |
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| 08:22.22 | drwahl_ | ok |
| 08:22.26 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, go give the conf file a try |
| 08:22.30 | Szeraax | that* |
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| 08:22.39 | Halleck | amphi: Thanks, netcat works great. I think I'll try talk as well. |
| 08:22.43 | ross_MoHaX | Is it possible to use aptitude to install apps into dir other than root? |
| 08:22.43 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: 'k |
| 08:22.50 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: i'm not sure exactly what should be included in the "remove debian stuff" part |
| 08:22.53 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, it very well, may not work. i dont know though... |
| 08:23.00 | jetscreamer | nvidia* |
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| 08:23.12 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge nvidia* ought to work |
| 08:23.27 | tralala | ross_MoHaX, why? |
| 08:23.43 | pej | h |
| 08:24.04 | jetscreamer | you could try m-a a-i nvidia again, if you wanted though... either way is supposed to work, and does, for me... |
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| 08:24.20 | jetscreamer | not in sid atm though, package borkage version mismatch |
| 08:24.33 | jetscreamer | the glx is 100 and the kernel is 96something |
| 08:24.34 | roxy_ | Is it possible to use file expansion twice like: ls {0,1}0.*xml . I get ls: 00.*xml not found ? |
| 08:24.35 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, did we get lucky? |
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| 08:24.49 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: dunno yet |
| 08:24.55 | Szeraax | k |
| 08:24.56 | geo-rge | yaknonw... I thought I really liked workman (cd playing UI thingy).... either it's crashing or the cd is weird... |
| 08:24.59 | rcbarnes | :-P |
| 08:25.16 | geo-rge | what are a few good cd play things? |
| 08:25.24 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: ya, i'm in lenny, so i should be ok, i think... |
| 08:25.29 | tralala | roxy_, yes, it is |
| 08:25.32 | ross_MoHaX | tralala, I'm building diskless nfsroot. I made it with bootstrap, then if I need to add some pack I need to tune sources.lists there, make aptitude update, etc. I don't want to have all of it in nfsroot, I'd like to keep it as small as possible |
| 08:25.34 | jetscreamer | xmms has a cd addon, me i use xine-ui for movies or music |
| 08:25.44 | roxy_ | tralala: how ? the second is not expanded . |
| 08:25.55 | geo-rge | xine, I'll try that |
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| 08:26.13 | roxy_ | geo-rge: I like amarok |
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| 08:26.18 | jetscreamer | xine-ui.. there are many *-xine's |
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| 08:26.27 | xand2 | what might cause my linux machine to do this in the middle of the night: "The system is going down for reboot NOW!et (console) (Fri Jun 22 00:42:38 200" and then not boot up again until 3am? |
| 08:26.29 | tralala | ross_MoHaX, you mean you want the nfsroot to not contain aptitude? |
| 08:26.37 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: nope. still teh same |
| 08:26.42 | rcbarnes | s/teh/the/ |
| 08:26.44 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, k |
| 08:26.46 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: ok, did all the above, restarted X (ctrl+alt+backspace) and things are still seg faulting |
| 08:27.03 | amphi | Halleck: cool |
| 08:27.22 | jetscreamer | drwahl_: iirc, the nvidia-installer won't run unless you exit x first |
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| 08:27.43 | tralala | roxy_, 0{0,1}*.xml is first expanded to 00*.xml 01*.xml and then the file expansion takes place - if you don't have any files to match the pattern you get an error |
| 08:27.43 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: m-a did |
| 08:27.52 | geo-rge | xmms, xine, amarok... which one is better when there are lots of tracks? typically 30-40 |
| 08:27.52 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: lemme try the nv.run installer |
| 08:27.55 | jetscreamer | drwahl_: what happens if you do aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 08:28.06 | jetscreamer | ah well |
| 08:28.10 | ross_MoHaX | tralala, I mean I don't need it there, and then I do not want it there. But without aptitude and it's dependencies I couldn't install any new app in nfsroot. I'd like to do something like aptitude install xserver-xorg --rootdir=/nfsroot/diskless |
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| 08:28.25 | jetscreamer | xine isn't very multitrack friendly |
| 08:28.26 | geo-rge | (and why do you think it's better) |
| 08:28.34 | jetscreamer | try xmms with all it's addon plugins |
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| 08:28.38 | geo-rge | I'm gonna make sure I have all three |
| 08:28.44 | jetscreamer | it's like winamp |
| 08:29.09 | geo-rge | oh, ok, scratch the allthree thing maybe :) |
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| 08:29.11 | godan | hi, running 'testing' but the 'fakeroot' that i need is in 'stable' only. how to get round this? |
| 08:29.21 | geo-rge | fakefoot! |
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| 08:29.49 | geo-rge | that would be my typical tipo for the day |
| 08:29.51 | godan | geo-rge, what is that suppose to mean? |
| 08:29.55 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: ok, killed gdm, ran nv.run installer, and it seems to have fixed it |
| 08:29.57 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: thanks! |
| 08:30.02 | tralala | ross_MoHaX, dpkg has such an option but I don't know if aptitude does |
| 08:30.08 | geo-rge | nothing in particular... but |
| 08:30.14 | geo-rge | note that testing is VERY new |
| 08:30.20 | roxy_ | tralala: http://rafb.net/p/ZNw7wA43.html |
| 08:30.22 | jetscreamer | !tell godan -about pdo |
| 08:30.35 | geo-rge | why do you want to run testing so soon after etch release? |
| 08:30.36 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
| 08:31.07 | tralala | roxy_, that makes perfect sense - none of your files has a dot in the name |
| 08:31.18 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, ok, go grab the latest from pastebin and try it |
| 08:31.19 | godan | geo-rge, i have been running testing when etch was testing. |
| 08:31.45 | roxy_ | tralala: omg, I was using a regexp. :/ |
| 08:31.47 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: just finished the (unhelpful) reboot |
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| 08:32.02 | tralala | roxy_, don't do it anymore :) |
| 08:32.05 | geo-rge | now testing is something else... given it's new... well I can't say much about what I don't know, but how good can it be? |
| 08:32.10 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 08:32.18 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, supposedly, for multiscreen machines, you have to tell the bus id of the video cards |
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| 08:32.40 | jetscreamer | that's fglrx there eh Szeraax |
| 08:32.46 | geo-rge | did testing change a lot after etch? |
| 08:32.49 | godan | anyone of you have installed 'spice' before? |
| 08:32.53 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: hm |
| 08:33.07 | geo-rge | yeah, I've built and installed it years ago |
| 08:33.22 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, lets jsut see if un-commenting those busid s works... |
| 08:33.30 | quitte | geo-rge: mixing will probably break the system |
| 08:33.39 | rcbarnes | 'k |
| 08:33.43 | godan | geo-rge, where to read it up? |
| 08:33.45 | geo-rge | that part I understand |
| 08:33.50 | rcbarnes | I'll grap the paste-bin in a second then |
| 08:33.53 | geo-rge | well the readme |
| 08:33.58 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, k |
| 08:34.03 | geo-rge | what version you looking to get/install? |
| 08:34.12 | godan | 3f5 |
| 08:34.26 | geo-rge | wow, that's old :) |
| 08:34.35 | geo-rge | but I haven't seen anything newer either |
| 08:35.03 | geo-rge | there's a source laying around somewhere called 3f5-fix |
| 08:35.13 | geo-rge | that's the one that finally worked forme |
| 08:35.48 | geo-rge | but this is wayy long time ago, maybe 7 or more years (yes, 3f5 too) |
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| 08:36.22 | geo-rge | one thing is that spice -might- be sensitive to version of c compiler |
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| 08:36.33 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: what's the new URL? I closed firefox for the X restart |
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| 08:36.50 | rcbarnes | s/firefox/iceweasel/g |
| 08:36.52 | rcbarnes | :-P |
| 08:36.55 | Szeraax | same as the first one |
| 08:36.57 | geo-rge | (ideally that shouldn't be the case of course... programs should be written portably and all that) |
| 08:36.58 | Szeraax | http://pastebin.com/933923 |
| 08:37.10 | Rune_ | hi... i recently installed Etch, then updated the kernel using apt-get upgrade. Now iptables messages aren't going to /var/log/messages - Any ideas? |
| 08:37.12 | Szeraax | i jsut edit and send |
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| 08:37.38 | Rune_ | Im sure that updating the kernel had something to do with it because iptables messages stop right after that reboot. |
| 08:38.04 | ross_MoHaX | tralala: it seems that dpkg doesn't have dependencies resolver =( |
| 08:38.13 | geo-rge | Rune_: and when you try booting from orig kernel? |
| 08:38.14 | godan | geo-rge, so old, i am not keen about it now. know of anything else like spice? |
| 08:38.29 | Rune_ | geo-rge; haven't tried that |
| 08:38.30 | godan | ? |
| 08:38.35 | geo-rge | well being old doesn't mean it's not good |
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| 08:39.18 | geo-rge | you do have to get used to spice and how it works and how you give it circuits and how you set up scenarios and all that stuff |
| 08:39.18 | godan | geo-rge, old lady still good enough for you? :D |
| 08:39.31 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, if you do "lspci" your cideo card is mentioned at "0:5:0" right? |
| 08:39.37 | Szeraax | video* |
| 08:39.41 | Rune_ | please /msg me if you have any suggestions, afk. |
| 08:39.45 | tralala | ross_MoHaX, it doesn't. So you better put aptitude in your nfsroot and use chroot + aptitude to install stuff |
| 08:39.56 | geo-rge | I haven't made use of spice lately because I haven't been building or designing circuits lately :) |
| 08:40.17 | geo-rge | last thing I built was a CW transmitter/receiver |
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| 08:42.32 | teclo- | Hello. Is it normal that, when I do aptitude install xserver-xorg in etch, it wants to install many many xserver-xorg-video-* packages that I don't need because I ha ve only one video card... ? |
| 08:42.44 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: it's mentioned at 3:08.0 |
| 08:42.51 | rcbarnes | which matches the config, right? |
| 08:42.59 | Szeraax | well, what's at pci:0:5:0 then? |
| 08:43.14 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, the xorg file said 0:5:0... |
| 08:43.21 | ross_MoHaX | is there any util in debian to control runlevels scripts? Or I should create/delete symlinks manualy? |
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| 08:44.13 | Guerin | ross_MoHaX: 1,000 developers spent 12 years creating the perfect distro, but never bothered to write a tool to control services |
| 08:44.19 | Guerin | yeah, right |
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| 08:44.30 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: hm |
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| 08:45.00 | Szeraax | ok, so fix that 0:5:0 to the 3:08:0 and restart your X |
| 08:45.02 | ross_MoHaX | Guerin, is it a joke? =) |
| 08:45.02 | zoredache | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:45.45 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, make sure you change both the card devices! :P |
| 08:45.50 | ross_MoHaX | Guerin, I'm newbie to debian, thats why I asking about such tool |
| 08:46.05 | Guerin | !services |
| 08:46.05 | dpkg | from memory, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 08:46.11 | tralala | ross_MoHaX, that was sarcasm |
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| 08:46.25 | Szeraax | ross_MoHaX, there is the sysinit editor |
| 08:46.29 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: changed both. still mirroring |
| 08:46.46 | ross_MoHaX | thx to all |
| 08:46.50 | Szeraax | did you create a new pastebin with it yet? |
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| 08:48.20 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: pastbin of current version |
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| 08:48.29 | Szeraax | whats the url? |
| 08:48.45 | Szeraax | aye |
| 08:49.00 | rcbarnes | hang on. I'm switching bins. this one is too slow |
| 08:49.14 | Szeraax | tis fine |
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| 08:50.06 | rati | URL is Universal Resource Locator |
| 08:50.11 | rcbarnes | http://pastebin.ca/583233 |
| 08:50.16 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: that's it now |
| 08:50.27 | Szeraax | k |
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| 08:50.48 | rcbarnes | bbiab |
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| 08:52.18 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, hmm... |
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| 08:59.14 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, well |
| 08:59.21 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, i know we are close |
| 08:59.30 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, try toying around with it some more |
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| 08:59.48 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, ther is also #ubuntu which might have someone else whos knows about it |
| 08:59.49 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: well, thanks for this much |
| 09:00.11 | Szeraax | rcbarnes, as of now, i is 3:00 am, and i am dead tired, with work in 7 hours... |
| 09:00.22 | Szeraax | :) |
| 09:00.29 | Szeraax | good night all! |
| 09:00.33 | rcbarnes | Szeraax: thanks, sleep well, and don't die |
| 09:00.37 | rcbarnes | :-D |
| 09:00.40 | Szeraax | thanks tons |
| 09:01.41 | rcbarnes | Okay, so can anyone give me a hand getting a dual-display (multiple desktop, not clone) setup working? I'm using the open-source ati drivers, and I have clone working, but can't get any further. |
| 09:03.23 | lbt | rcbarnes: radeon? |
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| 09:03.53 | wols_ | abchirk: he says open source ati drivres |
| 09:04.15 | rcbarnes | lbt: yup, 7000 |
| 09:04.30 | wols_ | rcbarnes: read the xinerama howto? |
| 09:04.33 | lbt | rcbarnes: Option "MergedFB" "on" ? |
| 09:04.45 | rcbarnes | wols_: link? |
| 09:04.52 | wols_ | google.com |
| 09:04.53 | rcbarnes | lbt: in which section? |
| 09:05.12 | fasta | How do I configure Flash 9, s.t. I get sound? |
| 09:05.12 | lbt | rcbarnes: Device : http://sial.org/pbot/25713 |
| 09:05.51 | lbt | rcbarnes: mines 9250 (clearly!) but should be similar for 7000 |
| 09:06.51 | lbt | rcbarnes: are you generally OK with xorg.conf file? |
| 09:07.00 | rcbarnes | lbt: yeah |
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| 09:07.07 | lbt | rcbarnes: mine's a bit of a mess (!) but it's here http://sial.org/pbot/25714 |
| 09:07.08 | wols_ | fasta: OSS must be working and accessible |
| 09:07.22 | swilde | I'm using a freshly installed debian etch with texlive, now I can't generate dvi files. When saying latex foo.tex I always get foo.pdf (even with latex -output-format=dvi foo.tex !). |
| 09:07.31 | fasta | wols_: I thought ALSA had to be available? |
| 09:07.35 | swilde | Any ideas whats going wrong here? |
| 09:07.38 | Quintin | I have lost my panels... they're totally balnk after resuming from screensaver.. how do I gt them back? |
| 09:07.52 | swilde | or, how to debug this? |
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| 09:08.43 | fasta | wols_: I have alsa-oss also installed and other players can also use it. |
| 09:08.49 | wols_ | fasta: not for flash |
| 09:09.12 | wols_ | flash usually wants OSS, how you provide OSS doesn't matter |
| 09:09.22 | lbt | rcbarnes: I also think you need to use "MetaModes"; basically you give it 2 resolutions like this: |
| 09:09.24 | fasta | wols_: hmm, it appears my OSS is broken, indeed. |
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| 09:09.36 | lbt | rcbarnes: Option "MetaModes" "1600x1200-1600x1200" |
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| 09:10.53 | rcbarnes | lbt: http://pastebin.ca/583233 there's my config |
| 09:11.09 | rcbarnes | I'm a little unsure of whether my other changes are getting in the way |
| 09:11.14 | teclo- | Hello. Is it normal that, when I do aptitude install xserver-xorg in etch, it wants to install many many xserver-xorg-video-* packages that I don't need because I have only one video card... ? |
| 09:11.15 | Quintin | !irclogs |
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| 09:11.33 | Quintin | teclo-: yes |
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| 09:12.03 | Quintin | dpkg: hello |
| 09:12.03 | dpkg | hey, quintin |
| 09:12.04 | lbt | rcbarnes: hmm, driver=ati, have you tried driver=radeon? |
| 09:12.09 | Quintin | dpkg: irclogs |
| 09:12.11 | teclo- | Quintin: but perhaps am I missing something, but why does it install just all video drivers ? For instance, stuff like s3 or tseng are useless to me, since I'm using an ATI videocard |
| 09:12.15 | rcbarnes | lbt: nope haven't tried that |
| 09:12.24 | Quintin | dpkg: logs |
| 09:12.24 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 09:12.26 | lbt | rcbarnes: well... :) |
| 09:12.26 | rcbarnes | change that and add the meta-mode both at once? |
| 09:12.41 | Quintin | teclo-: apt-cache show xserver-xorg |
| 09:13.07 | lbt | rcbarnes: man radeon is actually quite good |
| 09:13.40 | Quintin | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 09:13.40 | dpkg | no, stupid quintin |
| 09:13.46 | Quintin | dpkg: fuck you!@ |
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| 09:14.14 | xand2 | what does this line in kern.log mean? "Jun 22 00:42:36 zero kernel: input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /class/input/input1" |
| 09:14.20 | teclo- | Quintin: yeah, it's a dummy... but well ... I still don't get why it installs almost all available drivers... |
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| 09:14.34 | Quintin | teclo-: so x will 'just work' |
| 09:14.40 | Quintin | teclo-: you're free to purge them later, of course |
| 09:14.54 | Quintin | xand2: uhm, a keyboard is plugged in? |
| 09:15.05 | teclo- | Quintin: ok the thing would be to install xserver-xorg, then when everything is running, remove all the unneeded drivers ? |
| 09:15.20 | xand2 | Quintin: well ok, would that message appear if a keyboard was suddenly plugged in? |
| 09:15.26 | xand2 | not at boot |
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| 09:16.39 | xand2 | !seen ferret |
| 09:16.39 | dpkg | ferret <i=worc1588@gentoo/user/ferret> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 10d 16h 22m 8s ago, saying: 'echo fee $N'. |
| 09:16.45 | Quintin | xand2: quite probably. ask #kernel, or download the source and grep it for that line |
| 09:16.54 | Quintin | teclo-: yep |
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| 09:18.09 | Quintin | where are the irc logs?! |
| 09:18.23 | petemc | Quintin: there arent any |
| 09:18.32 | Quintin | there were |
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| 09:21.03 | fasta | It appears my entire sound system is broken: ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:1479:(_snd_pcm_direct_get_slave_ipc_offset) Invalid value for card |
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| 09:22.56 | wigfreitz | hi, whats the debian equivalent of modprobe an what is modprobe. for mounting hardware? cheers |
| 09:23.30 | petemc | wigfreitz: debian has modprobe |
| 09:23.38 | petemc | i cant parse the rest of your question |
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| 09:23.43 | wigfreitz | I mean the debian equivalent of modprobe.conf |
| 09:23.56 | ma3x | ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory |
| 09:24.05 | ma3x | what should i install to get /dev/snd/seq |
| 09:24.31 | petemc | wigfreitz: what is it you want to do? |
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| 09:26.26 | endra | hi.. |
| 09:26.35 | endra | ive made a mistake.. i rmed the wrong file, how can i retrieve it :-/ |
| 09:27.05 | wigfreitz | petemc: Ive just installed linux wifi divers but its tremendously slow and very poor to connect. I want to turn off IPv6 for it. |
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| 09:27.27 | liable | wigfreitz: what makes you think its ipv6? |
| 09:27.40 | Quintin | endra: your backup |
| 09:27.54 | petemc | wigfreitz: it used to be echo alias net-pf-10 off >> /etc/modprobe.conf would disable ipv6 |
| 09:28.02 | petemc | im not sure if thats still the case |
| 09:28.12 | Quintin | endra: what filesystem? |
| 09:28.16 | endra | Ext3 |
| 09:28.19 | liable | it is, its already in there but commented |
| 09:28.30 | endra | It is a really small file.. less than 1kb |
| 09:28.38 | Quintin | endra: mail me the disk and I can get it, probably |
| 09:28.46 | endra | address? |
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| 09:28.53 | Quintin | .us |
| 09:29.06 | endra | what's your address |
| 09:29.12 | Quintin | send me a msg |
| 09:29.28 | endra | yea.. its ok don't worry about it |
| 09:29.28 | liable | yikes |
| 09:29.33 | endra | was just curious if you were going to give your address |
| 09:29.49 | endra | thanks, though. |
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| 09:30.25 | Quintin | oh, don't think it is a free service, by any means ;) I have some tools that can recover data from ext3 though |
| 09:30.41 | petemc | Quintin: why not just tell them the name of the tools |
| 09:31.19 | Quintin | it's proprietary software. and I don't know the name, actually, I haven't used it in a long time |
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| 09:31.30 | gordboy | ? |
| 09:31.38 | petemc | ontrack does ext3 |
| 09:31.47 | Quintin | ah yea, that's the company name |
| 09:32.14 | gordboy | r-studio does the lot. but it is propsoft |
| 09:32.37 | Quintin | endra: if you want to get thi sfile back, ever, you need to stop using the disk in question |
| 09:33.02 | fasta | Ok, sound system works again. |
| 09:33.26 | endra | yea, well, its ok, can't afford time delay |
| 09:33.29 | gordboy | write your own partition trawling software, is my advice. either that, or don't delete important files, without ensuring you have a backup |
| 09:33.31 | endra | ill just rewrite it |
| 09:33.32 | endra | thanks |
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| 09:33.53 | wols_ | how do they do it with ext3? |
| 09:33.54 | wols_ | !undelete |
| 09:33.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems. |
| 09:34.10 | petemc | gordboy: thats pretty shit advice |
| 09:34.50 | gordboy | petemc, not at all. anyone who "needs" file recovery software is a buffoon of the first order |
| 09:35.06 | amphi | ++gordboy |
| 09:35.10 | petemc | gordboy: ah, so you're some sort of infallible super human |
| 09:35.13 | petemc | i get you now.. |
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| 09:35.19 | Quintin | endra: are you stalking me? :\ |
| 09:35.31 | endra | what |
| 09:35.34 | endra | no? |
| 09:35.35 | amphi | the übermensch has backups |
| 09:35.49 | tonsofpcs | mv crap /crapfolder > erase |
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| 09:35.58 | Quintin | well, asking for my address with no intention of hiring me. |
| 09:36.01 | Quintin | that reeks of stalkerhood. |
| 09:36.12 | gordboy | petemc, i'm as fallible as the next nerd. but i keep backups. and i don't casually use the rm command |
| 09:36.14 | petemc | Quintin: you told that person to mail you a hard disk |
| 09:36.22 | endra | petemc: thank you |
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| 09:36.30 | petemc | gordboy: how about this, dont judge people |
| 09:36.52 | Quintin | hey, I'm cool with it, as long as you're an 18-36 SWF of the 36-26-36 type :) |
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| 09:37.11 | gordboy | petemc, how about this : gtf |
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| 09:37.23 | petemc | touché |
| 09:37.32 | Supaplex | can't we all just get along |
| 09:37.34 | tonsofpcs | the old norton utilities would raw read a hard disk and you could search ascii and export blocks as files |
| 09:37.36 | Feto | i don't have /usr/include/X11/* |
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| 09:37.43 | Feto | how can I get those files? |
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| 09:38.13 | Supaplex | Feto: sounds like you need some dev lib. what are you trying to build? |
| 09:38.15 | wols_ | Feto: what do you want to compile? |
| 09:38.28 | Feto | i wanna dev |
| 09:38.36 | Feto | for X |
| 09:38.48 | Supaplex | !tell Feto -about apt-file |
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| 09:38.55 | Quintin | Feto: aptitude install build-dep <package> |
| 09:38.58 | wols_ | fosco: choose a X program and apt-gte build-dep for it |
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| 09:39.13 | wols_ | then you have headers for X |
| 09:39.16 | Supaplex | let's be vague! |
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| 09:39.34 | rcbarnes | lbt: that man page got me all set |
| 09:39.38 | rcbarnes | thanks! |
| 09:40.22 | Feto | kay thanks |
| 09:40.22 | Feto | :) |
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| 09:40.45 | gordboy | "rm is for life, not just for christmas" |
| 09:42.03 | endra | got my file back!! |
| 09:42.07 | endra | thanks for your help |
| 09:42.12 | endra | back to work, heigh-ho |
| 09:42.27 | Feto | libx11-dev: usr/include/X11/Xlib.h |
| 09:42.29 | Feto | sweet :) |
| 09:42.43 | metbsd | what's good apps in kde that i can install |
| 09:43.02 | Quintin | netbsd use a pkg manager and browse |
| 09:43.22 | Shadur | Hm. Anyone know offhand where you make ssh network connections via KIO? A friend of mine needs to know and I haven't used KDE since before that feature existed. |
| 09:43.22 | wols_ | metbsd: for what release? |
| 09:43.26 | Quintin | metbsd: I would suggest k3b |
| 09:43.44 | wols_ | Shadur: konqueror |
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| 09:43.48 | wols_ | sshfs:// afaik |
| 09:44.08 | Quintin | wols_: what desktop do you use? |
| 09:44.11 | fasta | wols_: I now verified that Amarok can play via the Xine OSS and Xine ALSA backend, but I still cannot hear Flash Audio. |
| 09:44.14 | metbsd | i have k3b |
| 09:44.16 | wols_ | Quintin: screen |
| 09:44.20 | rati | i wnat test how to test flooding in linux |
| 09:44.25 | Quintin | wols_: no, really |
| 09:44.26 | wols_ | metbsd: what libc6 version? |
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| 09:44.47 | wols_ | Quintin: I rarely if ever use linux via X |
| 09:44.55 | wols_ | most times over ssh |
| 09:44.55 | rati | ya |
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| 09:45.21 | wols_ | RA3OR[psy]: #l337-kiddies is over there: -> |
| 09:45.31 | wols_ | rati: #l337-kiddies is over there: -> |
| 09:45.42 | fasta | wols_: never mind, something odd is going on. |
| 09:45.43 | wols_ | RA3OR[psy]: sry. you just came in |
| 09:46.06 | metbsd | wols_, how to check? |
| 09:46.26 | Quintin | wols_: what do you use for desktop stuff then? |
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| 09:46.36 | petemc | metbsd: dplg -l libc6 |
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| 09:47.33 | metbsd | the latest |
| 09:47.35 | wols_ | metbsd: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 09:47.43 | wols_ | metbsd: what version? |
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| 09:50.00 | rati | how to test spoofing is preveting or not in firewall |
| 09:50.03 | fasta | wols_: It appears the Firefox is a bit stupid, since it works in Konqueror. |
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| 09:50.16 | fasta | wols_: s/the/that |
| 09:50.23 | wols_ | rati: iptables |
| 09:50.27 | wols_ | rati: #iptables |
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| 09:50.59 | rati | wols: in our ibox i have added iptables |
| 09:51.01 | Shadur | wols_: It just means that firefox wasn't compiled with kioslave as its file handler. |
| 09:51.13 | rati | wols : its working |
| 09:51.28 | rati | wols : i wanty test it working or not |
| 09:51.31 | wols_ | Shadur: duh. it rarely if ever is |
| 09:51.32 | Shadur | er, fasta, not wols |
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| 09:52.29 | fasta | Shadur: can you explain what that has to do with this? |
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| 09:52.46 | wols_ | Shadur: he has a sound problem... |
| 09:52.58 | fasta | Shadur: If the answer is other than _nothing_ you know more than me. |
| 09:53.21 | fasta | wols_: I can't set the sound system of gnome to OSS. |
| 09:53.31 | wols_ | fasta: you are not supposed to |
| 09:53.33 | fasta | wols_: I think that's the underlying problem |
| 09:53.42 | wols_ | no it's not |
| 09:53.54 | fasta | wols_: ? I have a menu option Sound, where I can select the sound system. |
| 09:53.54 | wols_ | you use alsa oss emulation like everyone else out there |
| 09:54.05 | wols_ | I have no clue |
| 09:54.14 | wols_ | and why would you want to switch from alsa? |
| 09:54.28 | fasta | wols_: I assume "OSS" in Gnome means Alsa OSS |
| 09:54.46 | gordboy | debian means free beer, free pizzas and free books. free personal organisers, pens, mousemats, tee shirts etc. thank you sun microsystems and google inc, from the bottom of my heart :) |
| 09:54.47 | wols_ | yes. all you need to have is a wroking /dev/dsp and flash with make noise |
| 09:55.05 | fasta | wols_: ok, how can I directly send something to dsp? |
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| 09:56.03 | wols_ | !soundcheck |
| 09:56.03 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
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| 09:56.46 | fasta | wols_: that works, so I still think it's Firefox or some component of GTK responsible for sound that is the problem. |
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| 09:57.04 | wols_ | flash doesn't care about that afaik |
| 09:57.12 | wols_ | cause it's no firefox program or gtk one |
| 09:57.56 | Shadur | wols_: Maybe KDE's sound daemon is blocking the sound dev and firefox doesn't know to use it? |
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| 09:58.48 | haary | my xterm has died but it seems that the vi running inside is still alive. How can I gain access to this terminal? Accoording to ps it is running at pts/12 |
| 09:58.58 | fasta | Shadur: I can play multiple sound streams at the same time. |
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| 09:59.06 | exalted | !help |
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| 09:59.39 | fasta | Shadur: (with non-KDE programs) |
| 09:59.58 | exalted | !tell |
| 10:00.25 | exalted | !tell me about dangling symlink |
| 10:00.37 | exalted | !tell me dangling symlink |
| 10:00.41 | liable | !tell exalted about selftell |
| 10:00.46 | exalted | =D |
| 10:00.49 | Quintin | liable: you can msg the bot |
| 10:01.00 | petemc | i think he knows that |
| 10:01.12 | exalted | tx liable |
| 10:01.12 | exalted | sorry about that |
| 10:01.22 | liable | np |
| 10:01.53 | wols_ | exalted: remove it |
| 10:02.08 | exalted | wols_, ? |
| 10:02.22 | liable | the symlink. for man page? |
| 10:02.28 | wols_ | the dangling symlink |
| 10:03.08 | exalted | wols_, i still wanna find that "dangling symlink" documentation on debian.org |
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| 10:03.34 | wols_ | what kind of special docs? |
| 10:03.55 | exalted | There was a "dangling symlink" doc on debian.org website... |
| 10:04.05 | liable | look in updatedb's code, its just giving an error to a link that points to something thats been deleted |
| 10:04.09 | ross_MoHaX | how to obtain kernel sources with all debian patches? apt-get update source kernel-image-2.6-4-686 doesn't give me anything |
| 10:04.20 | liable | naughty removal script didnt remove it |
| 10:04.36 | wols_ | !tell ross_MoHaX about apt |
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| 10:04.58 | wols_ | read that apt howto so you understand to use it |
| 10:05.07 | wols_ | rati: stop that! |
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| 10:06.21 | ross_MoHaX | wols_, I mean, apt-get update; apt-get source kernel-ima... doesn't work |
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| 10:08.00 | Overflow | help.. how do i enable direct rendering.. i installed the ATI and now want to get compiz working.. |
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| 10:08.32 | rati | wols_ : ya |
| 10:08.44 | wols_ | !tell ross_MoHaX about search |
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| 10:08.59 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - im trying to use keepalived, but when i try to telnet to port 81, it will not connect. here's my conf: http://rafb.net/p/EGkKoz87.html |
| 10:09.12 | flami | which of the language packages for openoffice is the one to add a spellchecker |
| 10:09.14 | flami | ? |
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| 10:09.57 | Overflow | how do i enable direct rendering.. i installed the ATI and now want to get compiz working.. |
| 10:10.21 | metbsd | you trying to get what working? |
| 10:10.35 | Overflow | compiz/beryl |
| 10:10.50 | metbsd | what's that |
| 10:11.14 | flami | ATI ? fglrx? |
| 10:11.17 | Overflow | thats the nice interface 3d "nautilus" |
| 10:11.22 | Overflow | yes fglrx |
| 10:11.26 | flami | fglrx does not have aiglx |
| 10:11.37 | flami | and xgl is a huge mess , better forget about it |
| 10:12.00 | flami | if you want beryl etc you need to opensource driver |
| 10:12.12 | wols_ | Overflow: you will need XGL. not in debian |
| 10:12.26 | wols_ | Overflow: what videocard do you have? |
| 10:12.35 | Overflow | ATI radeon 9700 |
| 10:12.50 | flami | Overflow, use the xorg driver |
| 10:12.51 | wols_ | use the "ati" driver from debian |
| 10:12.55 | Overflow | took me a whole lot to set it up.. |
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| 10:13.24 | Overflow | link? |
| 10:13.40 | wols_ | link for what? |
| 10:13.47 | Overflow | nm |
| 10:14.07 | Overflow | thx |
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| 10:15.02 | exalted | btw, bot won't answer to my private msgs... =S |
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| 10:15.33 | rati | wols_ :i want creat spoofing and then i want prevent that |
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| 10:16.43 | liable | exalted: you need to be registered to /msg on freenode |
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| 10:17.21 | exalted | liable, i'm registered 3 years now... |
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| 10:18.01 | liable | exalted: maybe the bot hates you ;) |
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| 10:18.10 | exalted | liable, =S |
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| 10:24.20 | ross_MoHaX | I've installed linux-source-2.6.18, unpacked tarball, cd /usr/src/linux; make mrproper; make menuconfig - gives me compile error =( |
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| 10:25.47 | wols_ | ross_MoHaX: you haven't installed curses or not even build-essential |
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| 10:26.27 | liable | good guess. which is all we can do without knowing the actual error.. |
| 10:26.34 | ross_MoHaX | wols_, yep, installing ncurses-dev solves the problem. Why it wasn't installed by as dependency? |
| 10:27.03 | wols_ | dependency for what? |
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| 10:28.28 | Filthpig | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.49 | Filthpig | (the other box is running debian 4.0 for the record) |
| 10:29.19 | liable | !ipmasq |
| 10:29.19 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 10:30.11 | Filthpig | I've use ipmasq according to the howto.. |
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| 10:32.22 | USBDeal | hi, how do i make a floppy or cd to let my pc boot from an sb hdd ? |
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| 10:33.25 | Blackgoth | !snmp |
| 10:33.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, snmp is the Stupid Network Mangling Protocol. or really the Simple Network Management Protocol |
| 10:33.32 | Blackgoth | -_- |
| 10:34.18 | qrck_ | any of u use tmsnc |
| 10:34.21 | qrck_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.31 | wols_ | !u |
| 10:34.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:34.33 | wols_ | !anoyne |
| 10:34.35 | qrck_ | i can't login using it |
| 10:34.37 | wols_ | !anyone use tmsnc |
| 10:34.37 | dpkg | No, no one uses tmsnc, not even the people who use it. |
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| 10:34.58 | wols_ | !tell USBDeal about ig |
| 10:35.00 | qrck_ | first off, i don't know it's connecting the right server |
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| 10:35.15 | qrck_ | second i don't know if it's encrypting password or not |
| 10:35.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Where can I find the apt log? |
| 10:35.43 | wols_ | Filthpig: pate /etc/network/interfaces of both machines. also the resolv.conf of the debian client |
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| 10:35.47 | qrck_ | i hope the server is not hardcoded in it |
| 10:35.57 | qrck_ | i mean the server address |
| 10:36.04 | qrck_ | bah |
| 10:36.11 | qrck_ | shame shame shame |
| 10:36.15 | wols_ | Dark_Apostrophe: all logs are in /var/log |
| 10:36.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | k |
| 10:36.36 | liable | apt doesn't log |
| 10:36.37 | wols_ | but what would apt log? |
| 10:36.43 | liable | dpkg and aptitude do |
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| 10:37.45 | Filthpig | wols_: I guess you want me to use pastebin, huh? ;) |
| 10:37.46 | [PSyKo] | lol |
| 10:38.21 | Filthpig | http://pastebin.ca/583394 |
| 10:38.43 | Filthpig | this is my ubuntu computer, the one that is supposed to share the connection |
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| 10:39.05 | Filthpig | the other one might take some time, but it'll come |
| 10:39.25 | wols_ | stop a bit: do you have a dhcp server? |
| 10:39.30 | tralala | Filthpig, so ubuntu is not quite working for you? |
| 10:39.44 | wols_ | tralala: his debian isn't getting a nat connection |
| 10:40.15 | wols_ | from what I can neither his ubunut nor his debian are working 100% |
| 10:40.18 | Filthpig | tralala: -something- is not quite working for me ;) |
| 10:40.25 | wols_ | but he isn't answering my question |
| 10:40.31 | wols_ | Filthpig: answer it please |
| 10:40.33 | tralala | wols_, how does one get a nat connection? |
| 10:40.46 | wols_ | tralala: it comes by default with a pony |
| 10:40.53 | liable | i want to see his ifconfig and route output |
| 10:40.55 | Filthpig | wols_: about the network interfaces? http://pastebin.ca/583394 |
| 10:41.01 | tralala | wols_, I take it you don't have one then |
| 10:41.15 | wols_ | Filthpig: no. do you have a dhcp-server? |
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| 10:41.24 | Filthpig | no, static |
| 10:41.40 | wols_ | debian has a staic IP? |
| 10:41.44 | Filthpig | yes |
| 10:41.52 | liable | and route? |
| 10:41.56 | wols_ | go to #ubuntu then. you don't have a debian problem |
| 10:42.08 | wols_ | liable: who cares. he has a static IP. it's not a debian problem |
| 10:42.11 | Filthpig | wols_: no one answers my questions over there |
| 10:42.17 | wols_ | !they don't know |
| 10:42.17 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 10:42.29 | liable | bah |
| 10:42.37 | tralala | Filthpig, install debian on your router and you'll get much better support |
| 10:42.49 | wols_ | not to mentiona a much better router. |
| 10:42.50 | Filthpig | hehe.. |
| 10:42.54 | wols_ | ubunut as a nat router? ick? |
| 10:42.58 | Blackgoth | !seen gpm |
| 10:42.59 | dpkg | gpm <n=gpm@unaffiliated/gpm> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3h 37m 49s ago, saying: 'o/o all'. |
| 10:43.04 | Blackgoth | doh |
| 10:43.06 | wols_ | (even if you use the same software) |
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| 10:43.50 | tralala | Filthpig, and finally as a gift you'll get a better nick |
| 10:44.00 | Filthpig | o0 |
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| 10:45.01 | Enverex | What's the easist way to install VMWare Workstation on Debian? |
| 10:45.08 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 10:45.08 | dpkg | i guess vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 10:45.25 | Blackgoth | download the tar file and run the isntaller Enverex? |
| 10:45.38 | Blackgoth | *installer even |
| 10:45.40 | nvz | there are a few things from vmware in debian |
| 10:45.46 | nvz | but not the vmware workstation |
| 10:45.50 | Enverex | Ah yes, the patented "Fuck off, we don't care" Gentoo response, now available in .deb format |
| 10:45.51 | Enverex | Thanks guys |
| 10:46.00 | nvz | heh |
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| 10:46.45 | wols_ | nvz: well then: |
| 10:46.45 | nvz | Enverex: there is only one way to install vmware on any OS, and wols_ is right its not a debian issue. You goto vmware.com buy and dowload the installer and install it.. thats that |
| 10:46.54 | wols_ | °tello Enverex about search |
| 10:47.03 | Enverex | nvz, Gentoo "emerge vmware-workstation" |
| 10:47.14 | wols_ | btw: when he came in I thought so to myself: about what shortcoming of linux will he bitch today? |
| 10:47.17 | wols_ | didn't take long |
| 10:47.41 | Blackgoth | useless bitching about nothing. |
| 10:47.41 | Enverex | The reason I asked here first was because if I talk about manualling installing say, the nVidia drivers, someone in here normally gets a hernia |
| 10:47.41 | liable | Enverex: i think we own the patent on that respoce :) |
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| 10:48.16 | nvz | Only vmware packages in debian are vmware X drivers for video and mouse, and there is also.. um.. |
| 10:48.23 | nvz | !info libview2 |
| 10:48.26 | dpkg | libview2: (VMware's Incredibly Exciting Widgets), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.6.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 119 kB, Installed size: 436 kB |
| 10:48.35 | liable | Enverex: the last place i ask for help is here usually, and when I do, i rarely get the answer i want :) |
| 10:48.47 | cast | hey everyone, how can i do a global search and replace of only footnotes in Office 97? |
| 10:48.49 | tralala | Enverex, face it - propriarity software on linux is a bitch - you don't get any support neither from the vendors nor from the community |
| 10:48.50 | Enverex | liable, Yeah, so I guessed. |
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| 10:48.58 | suw | hello |
| 10:49.07 | hark | there's vmware-package (for vmware player) |
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| 10:49.24 | nvz | !+info vmware-package |
| 10:49.25 | dpkg | Package 'vmware-package' does not exist. |
| 10:49.27 | Blackgoth | jesus, the install of vmware is simple, just download the tar, run the vmware-install.pl and your done! |
| 10:49.50 | wols_ | Enverex: we don't get a hernia about nvidia drivers. debian has them included even if in contrib or non-free and that's not totally part of debian |
| 10:50.00 | wols_ | !info vmware |
| 10:50.15 | Enverex | wols_, I meant manually installing them (back when only 9755 was available) |
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| 10:50.15 | tralala | !find vmware |
| 10:50.20 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-vmware: (X.Org X server -- VMware display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:10.13.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 10:50.22 | suw | i am under a dc++ DDOS atack on port 80 - i am desperate - and not know what the heck else to do - i've set firewall, syn, ipp2p, still - the atack can't be stopped - any help will be great |
| 10:50.35 | hark | !info vmware-package experimental |
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| 10:50.44 | cast | suw: wait for it to stop or get a new ip |
| 10:50.49 | wols_ | Enverex: we even supported that. IF you had a nvidia 8600 |
| 10:50.53 | dpkg | vmware-package: (utility for building Vmware related Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is extra. Version: 0.4 (experimental), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 268 kB |
| 10:50.54 | cast | suw: and don't hang around degenerates. |
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| 10:51.12 | Enverex | suw, You can't stop it, that's kinda the point. Contact your ISP and tell them what's going on, see if they can do anything. |
| 10:51.29 | nvz | hark: being in experimental:contrib/misc is hardly in debian :P |
| 10:51.36 | suw | Enverex: i did - they say that they can't stop it. |
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| 10:51.49 | Blackgoth | sure they can suw |
| 10:51.58 | Enverex | suw, Well find out who is doing it then liberally apply a brick to his/her face |
| 10:51.58 | liable | suw: your best bet is to contact your isp |
| 10:52.01 | Blackgoth | they just need to move you to another ip |
| 10:52.03 | simmerz | rkhunter is looking for a `strings` command, but can't find it, and pdo isn't helping to find it. any ideas as to which package this is part of? |
| 10:52.24 | hark | nvz: yeah, and i think it probably sucks too; but it's an option :) |
| 10:52.26 | cast | simmerz: use apt-file search |
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| 10:52.51 | suw | dc++ connect on 80 and trow $MyNick... - ipp2p stop that - but apache server keep the connection - how can i tell apache to drop a connection ??? |
| 10:52.57 | USBDeal | <wols_> what u mean ? |
| 10:52.58 | Enverex | suw, Sure you don't just have a torrent file running on a machine or something? Similar characteristics, heh |
| 10:53.08 | tralala | suw, top paying them - it might help them recall that one method that was able to solve your problem |
| 10:53.11 | tralala | stop |
| 10:53.15 | wols_ | USBDeal: about what? |
| 10:53.23 | Blackgoth | suw: turn apache down? :) |
| 10:53.28 | Enverex | suw, Kill apache then, heh |
| 10:53.30 | USBDeal | dpkg> wols_ wants you to know: I heard "ig" is Installation Guide |
| 10:53.30 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, USBDeal |
| 10:53.37 | simmerz | cast: nothing from that either |
| 10:53.42 | suw | Enverex: there's no p2p or any torrent client on that server. |
| 10:53.53 | tralala | !ig USBDeal |
| 10:53.58 | suw | tralala: i did that - but it will happend next month |
| 10:53.59 | cast | simmerz: you have to run apt-file update first |
| 10:54.00 | wols_ | USBDeal: that tells you how to install with a usb hdd. isn't that what you asked? |
| 10:54.02 | simmerz | ah |
| 10:54.03 | tralala | !i-g USBDeal |
| 10:54.04 | USBDeal | <wols_> debian installation on the usb disk went fine but at reboot grub simply doesn't see usb drive |
| 10:54.15 | suw | tralala: i can't stop all the services 'til next month |
| 10:54.30 | wols_ | USBDeal: can your BIOS boot from USB? |
| 10:54.36 | USBDeal | nope |
| 10:54.47 | Blackgoth | there is your problem |
| 10:54.48 | USBDeal | that's why i guess for a floppy orc cd to boot |
| 10:54.59 | wols_ | then you can't and need a bootfloppy. the i-g tells you how to make them |
| 10:55.12 | simmerz | cast: perfect: binutils |
| 10:55.19 | wols_ | since usb installs need them too, etc |
| 10:55.20 | tralala | suw, if your ISP won't cooperate there's nothing you can do. Well, you can contact the cops but don't expect fast (or any) solution |
| 10:55.22 | wols_ | or floppy installs |
| 10:55.57 | Blackgoth | one of your clients must have made someone pissed... |
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| 10:56.37 | Enverex | Erm, why is the Thunderbird icon missing? Someone said it was there but not used properly (but I can't find it at all). |
| 10:56.51 | xand2 | there is no thunderbird in debian, it's icedove |
| 10:56.59 | liable | ya, been missing a month or so here |
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| 10:57.01 | tralala | suw, if you live in a country where the police knows what internet is it's worthed reporting the incident anyway |
| 10:57.06 | liable | nit picker |
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| 10:57.20 | liable | really, your isp is the best chance |
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| 10:57.54 | alaya__ | suw: what kind of attack is it? just valid http requests from bot-infested boxes? |
| 10:57.57 | suw | tralala: i dont i live in romania - they had to do a research on a company - to seize they're computers - and the pollice got the monitors only - lol |
| 10:58.07 | suw | alaya__: dc++ |
| 10:58.15 | suw | alaya__: dc++ ddos atack |
| 10:58.24 | cast | wtf is a dc++ ddos? |
| 10:58.30 | nvz | !dc++ |
| 10:58.30 | suw | i can't see any solve to this. |
| 10:58.36 | USBDeal | <wols_> the i-g just shows what to do to format a usb disk where the bios supports but mine doesn't |
| 10:58.47 | liable | phew, i thought i would have to embarras myself by asking that! |
| 10:58.54 | suw | apache need to communicate in some ways with firewall or some other program to be able to drop connection |
| 10:58.56 | USBDeal | and btw the disk usb is formatted and ready t boot |
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| 10:59.01 | nvz | I can't recall exactly, but dc++ is a file sharing program of some sort |
| 10:59.05 | cast | dc++ is a direct connect client AFAIK |
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| 10:59.12 | USBDeal | just need something to tell the grub on the other hard drive to look at /dev/sda1 |
| 10:59.12 | suw | yes |
| 10:59.14 | suw | it is |
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| 10:59.32 | USBDeal | but it lacks support for usb drives so there's no /dev/sda1 for him |
| 11:00.31 | tralala | suw, so how exactly do you know that the ddos is a dc++ ddos? |
| 11:00.41 | alaya__ | so can't you just create an iptables rule to DROP all incoming? |
| 11:00.54 | Enverex | What is the default Gnome theme? |
| 11:01.11 | suw | alaya__: i did that - 3 days ago - atack keep continues |
| 11:01.18 | alaya__ | based on whatever characteristic? |
| 11:01.38 | alaya__ | suw: but if its all getting dropped then what is the problem? |
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| 11:02.44 | Azio | hey all , does anyone know where i can find the 2.6.18-i686 etch default kernel source? |
| 11:02.54 | alaya__ | ok i'm reading wikipedia entry on dc++ attack now... |
| 11:03.08 | liable | Azio: its linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 11:03.17 | Azio | ohh lovely |
| 11:03.19 | Azio | thanks liable :) |
| 11:03.32 | Azio | i hadn't thought of that, so used to not using apt for it ;) thanks man.. |
| 11:03.33 | liable | yw |
| 11:03.46 | Azio | :) |
| 11:04.09 | Gujiz | Hey, i have installed exim and now when i try to send mail to the server i dont get the mails come through... exim4 log just tells me "socket bind() to port 25 for address 195.74.0.50 failed: Cannot assign requested address: daemon abandoned" |
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| 11:04.48 | tralala | Gujiz, how are you starting it? Is there another mta already running? |
| 11:05.08 | Helmi | hi - i'm wondering why make isn't available on my rather fresh etch-64 box (automake, autoconf, gcc,... installed). any idea? |
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| 11:05.18 | liable | Gujiz: the only thing i can suggest is... remove the fucker and install postfix :) |
| 11:05.28 | Gujiz | ;) |
| 11:05.39 | simmerz | liable: language |
| 11:05.44 | liable | Helmi: because they are needed packages. install build-essential package |
| 11:05.54 | Insolit | anyone knows how i can change my resolution using x11vnc? |
| 11:05.55 | liable | simmerz: yes, its engrish |
| 11:06.12 | Insolit | i mean to change the resolution in the x11vnc server |
| 11:06.13 | simmerz | liable: also slang, and deemed inappropriate for such channels |
| 11:06.24 | liable | simmerz: this is not a PG channel... |
| 11:06.36 | Gujiz | tralala: "invoke-rc.d exim4 start" and there is no other mta running... and neither anything else in port25 checked with netstat |
| 11:06.59 | Azio | hey liable can i ask what whether i need linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 too? |
| 11:07.23 | simmerz | does it have to be for words to be deemed offensive? |
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| 11:08.41 | flami | Gujiz, , there is an easy fix : aptitude purge exim4 && aptitude install postfix ^^ |
| 11:09.04 | liable | Azio: what does apt-cache show say about it? i have never heard of the package |
| 11:09.18 | tralala | Gujiz, does netcat -l -p 25 start? |
| 11:09.26 | Azio | just says "debian patches for kernel" |
| 11:09.31 | Azio | should be ok without it i guess :D |
| 11:09.33 | Gujiz | tralala does nothing |
| 11:09.41 | Gujiz | "Can't grab 0.0.0.0:25 with bind" |
| 11:09.50 | Azio | just switched from native to ahci |
| 11:09.52 | Gujiz | when exim were on |
| 11:09.55 | Azio | 20MB/s faster |
| 11:09.56 | Azio | :> |
| 11:10.13 | tralala | Gujiz, so you do have something already listening on port 25 |
| 11:10.23 | liable | simmerz: as long as i am not using swear words in a derogatory manner directed towards a particular individual or group or whatever, then it is tolerated in here. If you dont like it, i dont know what you can do. |
| 11:10.26 | Gujiz | exim but i turn it off and try again |
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| 11:10.37 | simmerz | liable: fair enough. :P |
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| 11:10.56 | tralala | Gujiz, I can't follow you |
| 11:10.59 | simmerz | I just tend to err on the side of caution |
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| 11:11.35 | Gujiz | tralala when it echoed "Can't grab 0.0.0.0:25 with bind" exim were on. Now i'm trying exit turned off. and it does nothing. |
| 11:12.05 | blinx | http://dpaste.com/12729/ and http://dpaste.com/12730/ anyone an idea? |
| 11:12.34 | tralala | Gujiz, netcat? |
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| 11:13.03 | Gujiz | yes |
| 11:13.15 | tralala | Gujiz, good, stop it and try starting exim again |
| 11:13.29 | Gujiz | done |
| 11:13.41 | tralala | there you go - exim is running! |
| 11:13.56 | liable | boo |
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| 11:15.20 | Gujiz | yeah, but the error havent gone away :/ |
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| 11:15.54 | liable | its the built in exim4 test to see if you are worthy to run a mail server ;) |
| 11:16.03 | Insolit | where is it defined which resolution a kde user will be running? |
| 11:16.06 | Nichev1 | any reason why I should get an undefined reference to 'sqrt' using gcc? I've included math.h in my soucrce so certainly it should be available? |
| 11:16.12 | liable | and i only say that half jokingly :P |
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| 11:16.53 | cast_ | that wasn't funny. |
| 11:16.53 | liable | Nichev1: should, ya, does the file exist? |
| 11:17.03 | Nichev1 | math.h, yes |
| 11:17.05 | Nichev1 | I looked it up |
| 11:17.17 | abrotman | the correct math.h ? |
| 11:17.19 | tralala | Gujiz, do you get an output out of "netstat -t -l -p | grep exim" |
| 11:17.20 | Nichev1 | and if else gcc would complain not being able to get it |
| 11:17.45 | Gujiz | yes |
| 11:17.50 | liable | Nichev1: and the function is in it? |
| 11:17.53 | Nichev1 | as far as I can tell... math.h uses /bits/mathcalls.h or something which contained sqrt |
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| 11:18.12 | Nichev1 | in /usr/include/ |
| 11:18.33 | tralala | Gujiz, so exim is running. Do you actually have the IP in question? |
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| 11:19.33 | devicebusy | Hello all! |
| 11:20.04 | Enverex | and now Deluge wont start |
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| 11:20.23 | Enverex | /var/lib/python-support/python2.4/deluge/core.py:723: DeprecationWarning: integer argument expected, got float PREF_FUNCTIONS[pref](self.get_pref(pref)) |
| 11:20.30 | Nichev1 | /* Return the square root of X. */ |
| 11:20.30 | Nichev1 | __MATHCALL (sqrt,, (_Mdouble_ __x)); |
| 11:20.31 | Nichev1 | _Mdouble_END_NAMESPACE |
| 11:20.31 | Nichev1 | ^ That would be a system call? |
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| 11:20.31 | abrotman | Nichev1: maybe ask #gcc |
| 11:20.40 | cast | anyone know the rafb.net/paste/ size limit? doesn't seem to be written on their site |
| 11:20.42 | Gujiz | tralala http://pastebin.com/934016 |
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| 11:21.12 | Nichev1 | sry. DIdn't realise it contained newline |
| 11:21.15 | abrotman | Nichev1: maybe ask #gcc |
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| 11:21.20 | Nichev1 | I will |
| 11:21.21 | Nichev1 | ty |
| 11:21.26 | tralala | Gujiz, terribly slow, use rafb.net/paste next time |
| 11:21.30 | abrotman | Nichev1: you did install libc6-dev .. right ? |
| 11:21.37 | abrotman | (at least i think that'd be the package) |
| 11:21.43 | abrotman | Nichev1: and also build-essential ? |
| 11:22.06 | Nichev1 | should be.. I'll check |
| 11:22.06 | tralala | Gujiz, my guess so far is that you have misconfigured exim |
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| 11:22.32 | tralala | Gujiz, paste your routing table |
| 11:23.02 | Nichev1 | they're all there |
| 11:23.12 | tralala | actually paste the exim log and the output of 'ip l; ip r' |
| 11:23.27 | Gujiz | tralala you mean routers routing table or what? |
| 11:23.30 | Enverex | Can someone name a torrent app that doesn't suck? KTorrent crashes randomly and very, very frequently. Deluge doesn't work (and has issues closing when it does) and Azureus occasonally has Java issues and has the memory footprint of an OS anyway. |
| 11:23.56 | abrotman | Nichev1: is it a simple program? like int main() { cout>>sqrt(9); return 0; } ? |
| 11:24.07 | tralala | Gujiz, just the output of the command I gave you |
| 11:24.07 | petemc | Enverex: rtorrent |
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| 11:24.29 | Enverex | petemc, Easy to use with DHT support? |
| 11:24.35 | Nichev1 | quite simple.. offending line is root = (int) sqrt(candidate); |
| 11:25.02 | tralala | bittornado |
| 11:25.08 | petemc | Enverex: i dont know what dht is, but its easy enough to use, im sure it supports everything a popular client should |
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| 11:25.34 | tralala | especially the curses and headless interfaces |
| 11:25.46 | Enverex | petemc, Distributed tracker, basically means it can still work when the tracker is down using other people |
| 11:25.53 | petemc | oh right |
| 11:26.00 | Nichev1 | none of the trigonometric functions seems to work either. |
| 11:26.03 | Enverex | I hate ncurses and terminal interfaces |
| 11:26.06 | wols_ | Enverex: rtorrent, mldonkey |
| 11:26.09 | Gujiz | tralala last hour of exim4 conf http://rafb.net/p/4gmlJE87.html |
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| 11:26.26 | wols_ | Enverex: mldonkey is a daemon and has a ewb gui or a normal gui |
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| 11:27.02 | tralala | Gujiz, at the end it appears to be working find and sending emails |
| 11:27.04 | wols_ | tho, mldonkey is sid only but easy to backport |
| 11:27.06 | abrotman | Nichev1: my C is a bit rusty .. but i don't see a sqrt function in /usr/include/math.h |
| 11:27.16 | Gujiz | yes, sending works but not receiving :/ |
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| 11:27.32 | wols_ | abrotman: http://www.cppreference.com/stdmath/sqrt.html |
| 11:27.40 | wols_ | abrotman: very rusty indeed |
| 11:27.47 | Nichev1 | the functions should be contained in /bits/mathcalls.h |
| 11:27.54 | abrotman | wols_: it's still not in the file .. it must be included from math.h |
| 11:27.56 | Enverex | Ok, BitTornado is horrible |
| 11:28.20 | tralala | Gujiz, the output of ip l; ip r |
| 11:28.26 | wols_ | abrotman: tgmath.h:#define sqrt(Val) __TGMATH_UNARY_REAL_IMAG (Val, sqrt, csqrt) |
| 11:28.30 | abrotman | Nichev1: it's not in mathcalls.h either |
| 11:28.36 | Gujiz | -bash: ip: command not found |
| 11:28.39 | abrotman | wols_: see .. i'm not that rusty! |
| 11:28.40 | Gujiz | whops, 2 times |
| 11:28.44 | abrotman | Gujiz: you have to install it |
| 11:28.48 | tralala | Gujiz, but it sounds like a network problem, not an exim one |
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| 11:29.04 | tralala | Gujiz, install iproute |
| 11:29.06 | Blackgoth | hm, anyone with this problem: snmpd isnt giving me back any traffic stats |
| 11:29.23 | wols_ | abrotman: rusty like an old bucket |
| 11:29.41 | abrotman | wols_: it's not so much the rust that's the problem .. it's the holes in the bucket :) |
| 11:29.57 | Gujiz | tralala http://rafb.net/p/8vJjBi34.html |
| 11:30.01 | Nichev1 | huh... in mathcalls there's __MATHCALL ( sqrt,, (_Mdouble_ __x)); |
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| 11:30.18 | wols_ | abrotman: but sqrt is ANSI! I know it! |
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| 11:30.31 | Nichev1 | I just want to take the sqrt! |
| 11:30.32 | abrotman | i used to be pretty darn good at it |
| 11:30.46 | abrotman | Nichev1: oh .. just keep dividing in a loop! |
| 11:30.53 | Nichev1 | it's in every reference of math.h I've seen! |
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| 11:31.07 | Nichev1 | >< |
| 11:31.18 | wols_ | Nichev1: it'S not that it doesn't exist. it gets for some reason the wrong type as a parameter |
| 11:31.22 | cast | Nichev1: there's that quake sqrt function...thats fast too |
| 11:31.27 | tralala | Gujiz, and why have you configured exim to listen on 195.74.0.50 when you don't have it? |
| 11:32.04 | Gujiz | cause i have to use relay.mail.saunalahti.fi to get my mails through since ISP dont allow connections to port25 straightly |
| 11:32.10 | Gujiz | i have that in MX too |
| 11:32.32 | Nichev1 | right... |
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| 11:32.42 | abrotman | Nichev1: eh .. sqrt works for me! |
| 11:32.48 | Nichev1 | but sqrt((double)candidate) then? |
| 11:32.49 | abrotman | Nichev1: though i used g++ .. |
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| 11:33.09 | abrotman | Nichev1: as long as it's a number .. i can't imagine it matters |
| 11:33.10 | cast | my mistake it was inverse sqrt in quake [http://www.codemaestro.com/reviews/review00000105.html] |
| 11:33.29 | Nichev1 | k |
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| 11:34.16 | Nichev1 | but why doesn't gcc work? |
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| 11:34.59 | eguzkia | someone here knows how to install nvidia-glx? |
| 11:35.13 | tralala | Gujiz, your exim is misconfigured. I'm not sure what are you trying to achive with the relay.mail.saunalahti.fi and I suspect you're not very sure either. |
| 11:35.13 | eguzkia | i have tried with nvidia-glx but doesen't work |
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| 11:36.29 | Gujiz | tralala idd, but if i dont use relay.mail.saunalahti.fi my ISPs firewall blocks port 25... Now all stuff coming to port 25 goes through relay.mail.saunalahti.fi i have set that to my MX records aswell |
| 11:36.34 | abrotman | Nichev1: uhm .. gcc works for me here also |
| 11:36.51 | abrotman | Nichev1: which version of debiabn ? |
| 11:37.39 | liable | Nichev1: hrm, i just did a quick and dirty with sqrt and no error here |
| 11:38.08 | Nichev1 | 4.0 I think |
| 11:38.09 | Nichev1 | Etch |
| 11:38.09 | tralala | Gujiz, try the exim docs |
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| 11:38.14 | abrotman | Nichev1: gcc --version |
| 11:38.25 | Nichev1 | sry |
| 11:38.31 | unix_infidel | can a faulty mobo screwup a PSU? |
| 11:38.38 | abrotman | ask #hardware |
| 11:38.44 | unix_infidel | hmm, thanks. |
| 11:38.49 | Nichev1 | 4.1.2 |
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| 11:39.07 | xand2 | unix_infidel: in theory yes </offtopic> |
| 11:39.28 | liable | but i did mange to get an undefined reference too |
| 11:39.46 | liable | in one version ;) |
| 11:39.55 | Nichev1 | ooh? |
| 11:40.20 | liable | but i dont have the version any more and cant remember what it was. :) |
| 11:40.30 | liable | Nichev1: but a basic use of sqrt works |
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| 11:41.07 | abrotman | Nichev1: how simple is your code? is it C or C++ ? |
| 11:41.10 | Nichev1 | c |
| 11:41.13 | Nichev1 | should be |
| 11:41.16 | liable | Nichev1: so i would blame your code :) |
| 11:41.19 | Nichev1 | :) |
| 11:41.45 | Nichev1 | it's an attempt at finding prime numbers |
| 11:41.46 | abrotman | http://paste.debian.net/31097 |
| 11:41.48 | abrotman | like that simple ? |
| 11:42.15 | Nichev1 | basicly.. but I try to assign it to an int |
| 11:42.22 | liable | abrotman: yup, thats about what i did |
| 11:42.23 | Nichev1 | only want integer part |
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| 11:42.38 | liable | and it didnt whine |
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| 11:43.18 | Nichev1 | root = (int) sqrt(candidate); root and candidate are both int |
| 11:43.20 | tralala | Nichev1, are you writing a kernel module for finding prime numbers? |
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| 11:43.37 | Nichev1 | no.. Just a simple program that spits out primes to standard output |
| 11:43.51 | Nichev1 | of no sophistication |
| 11:43.53 | Thms | how to allow a user to write on /mnt/backup ? |
| 11:43.56 | tralala | Nichev1, then use a sane language, e.g. python |
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| 11:44.02 | xand2 | Thms: chmod |
| 11:44.19 | Nichev1 | haha |
| 11:44.21 | Thms | xand2: there is not a option in fstab ? it is ext3 |
| 11:44.34 | tralala | I wasn't joking |
| 11:44.36 | abrotman | Nichev1: see if my sample code works |
| 11:44.40 | Nichev1 | will od |
| 11:44.55 | hybridsto | I am trying to setup lirc and I am getting the error "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 11:44.58 | abrotman | tralala: i did some testing a while back with c++ vs python and doing math related stuff .. it wasn't pretty |
| 11:45.00 | xand2 | Thms: no, change the permissions of /mnt/backup |
| 11:45.01 | abrotman | !b-e hybridsto |
| 11:45.01 | dpkg | hybridsto: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 11:45.23 | Nichev1 | abrotman: in what way? |
| 11:45.26 | Thms | okay xand2 |
| 11:45.28 | tralala | abrotman, did you test numeric? |
| 11:45.30 | hybridsto | dpkg, lemme try that |
| 11:45.40 | abrotman | Nichev1: c++ kicked python all over the place :) |
| 11:45.43 | Nichev1 | :P |
| 11:45.56 | abrotman | tralala: i was looking for sequential pythagorean triples (i was bored at Uni one day) |
| 11:46.09 | liable | Nichev1: try ##c but make sure you have your flame proof suit on :) |
| 11:46.21 | Blackgoth | hm, anyone with this problem: snmpd isnt giving me back any traffic stats on cacti / debian etch |
| 11:46.26 | abrotman | tralala: if you ask me some evening .. i'll show you the code .. i'm sure it's amatuerish on all counts |
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| 11:46.51 | Nichev1 | with something this trivial I'm doomed to be flamed |
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| 11:47.05 | liable | flamage is good for the soul |
| 11:47.11 | Azio | is there any way to confirm the freq_hz of any running kernel? |
| 11:47.13 | abrotman | Nichev1: mine doesn't work either for you ? |
| 11:47.20 | tralala | abrotman, so how many did you find? |
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| 11:47.36 | abrotman | tralala: i was on a 32bit system ... uhm .. i think about 10 of them |
| 11:47.52 | abrotman | tralala: do you know what a sequential pythagorean triple is? |
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| 11:48.06 | Azio | anyone? :D |
| 11:48.16 | liable | isnt that how you work out how long till the keg runs out? |
| 11:48.17 | abrotman | Azio: ask ##kernel |
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| 11:48.24 | hybridsto | dpkg, did the trick.... thanks! |
| 11:48.24 | Azio | ok |
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| 11:48.54 | tralala | abrotman, not really but I guess by the name a**2 + (a+1)**2 == (a+2)**2 |
| 11:49.09 | Azio | thx |
| 11:49.16 | abrotman | not a+2 .. but roughly .. yes |
| 11:49.27 | abrotman | 3,4,5 ... 12,13,25 |
| 11:49.50 | abrotman | or maybe it was 12,13,15 .. i don't remember |
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| 11:50.08 | Nichev1 | abrotman: that one worked |
| 11:50.09 | Nichev1 | ... |
| 11:50.22 | tralala | abrotman, what's the sequential bit if not a+2? |
| 11:50.23 | abrotman | Nichev1: i'm smarter than you are! |
| 11:50.25 | Nichev1 | :P |
| 11:50.28 | abrotman | tralala: the first two |
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| 11:50.34 | abrotman | tralala: and they all have to be whole numbers |
| 11:50.50 | liable | Azio: grep -i hz /boot/config`uname -r` |
| 11:50.56 | tralala | abrotman, what's the tripple bit then? |
| 11:50.57 | abrotman | tralala: at least that's what my CS prof (who had a math masters) called it |
| 11:51.02 | abrotman | tralala: three numbers? |
| 11:51.18 | Azio | thanks liable |
| 11:51.20 | Azio | you rock |
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| 11:51.33 | tralala | so a sequential tripple is two sequential numbers and a random third one?! |
| 11:51.34 | karmatronic | a maths question ? |
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| 11:52.01 | liable | oops |
| 11:52.07 | abrotman | tralala: i didn't name it! |
| 11:52.13 | abrotman | tralala: that's what he called it |
| 11:52.16 | cafuego | you people and your inferior twodimensional math :-P |
| 11:52.17 | tralala | I ain't a math nerd - the Pythagor's theoreme is as far as my knowledge goes |
| 11:52.40 | abrotman | tralala: i just wanted to know how many there were :) |
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| 11:53.30 | karmatronic | tralala: pythagor s theorem is fine |
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| 11:54.03 | tbamr | d = c^k mod M |
| 11:54.13 | liable | wasnt pythagor a nordik pirate? |
| 11:54.27 | tralala | abrotman, anyways for heavy math you're supposed to use numeric in python. And as my last defence on the math nerd accusation I'll say that I've never used numeric. |
| 11:54.48 | karmatronic | tbamr: sorry ? |
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| 11:55.31 | tralala | karmatronic, it's fine with me for sure - I've got nothing against it |
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| 11:55.40 | tbamr | karmatronic: that's RSA decryption |
| 11:56.02 | Nichev1 | abrotman: I don't get this... I can take the squareroot of 9, but not the variable candidate = 3 |
| 11:56.10 | karmatronic | tbamr: hum , you re missing a lot of information here... |
| 11:56.21 | karmatronic | tbamr: i studied cryptography |
| 11:56.32 | abrotman | tralala: basically i did it in python to see if i could :) |
| 11:56.42 | tralala | aha! So there are math nerds in here indeed! |
| 11:56.54 | karmatronic | tbamr: would be more something like.... |
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| 11:57.03 | karmatronic | tbamr: n=pq |
| 11:57.14 | abrotman | Nichev1: what if candidate = 9 ? :) |
| 11:57.18 | Nichev1 | lol |
| 11:57.20 | tbamr | karmatronic: nevermind. :) |
| 11:57.25 | tralala | abrotman, and judging by the performace, you couldn't! ;P |
| 11:57.26 | tbamr | i know RSA scheme |
| 11:57.36 | Nichev1 | nope:P |
| 11:57.52 | Nichev1 | It's pretty useless with only constants though |
| 11:58.17 | abrotman | tralala: no .. it worked .. just more slowly than C++ .. which is to be expected i suppose |
| 11:58.21 | karmatronic | tbamr: men i dont remember .... |
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| 11:59.46 | tralala | abrotman, depends how you mesure it. For example Nichev1's programme hasn't found a single prime in the last hour or so. It hasn't even worked! I don't call that performance. |
| 12:00.04 | Nichev1 | hey, don't use me against c/c++ |
| 12:00.05 | Nichev1 | I suckj |
| 12:00.19 | tralala | Nichev1, you'd suck less in python |
| 12:00.22 | tralala | ;) |
| 12:01.05 | wols_ | tralala: next time, do it in boost:python :P |
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| 12:01.22 | karmatronic | tralala: i love python but for maths, there s nothing like C |
| 12:01.24 | abrotman | tralala: however .. he has generated a lot of traffic .. unlink Blackgoth |
| 12:01.34 | abrotman | karmatronic: fortran! :) |
| 12:01.36 | Nichev1 | ok... it worked if candidate was made double... BUT, shouldn't I be able to just cast it? |
| 12:01.42 | tralala | Of course, if you need to find an auful lot of primes an interpreted language is not the best choice |
| 12:02.01 | abrotman | Nichev1: that's a ##c question |
| 12:02.10 | Nichev1 | define an awful lot |
| 12:02.12 | karmatronic | abrotman: :( |
| 12:02.20 | abrotman | karmatronic: pretty much :) |
| 12:02.29 | karmatronic | abrotman: C vs fortran |
| 12:02.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:02.43 | tralala | karmatronic, it really depends on the case. Have you used numeric? |
| 12:02.49 | karmatronic | abrotman: my wif uses C , her phd director use fortran |
| 12:02.51 | abrotman | karmatronic: tried Ada for math stuff ? |
| 12:03.13 | karmatronic | abrotman: i left maths for sys admin |
| 12:03.25 | karmatronic | abrotman: much simpler |
| 12:03.35 | karmatronic | abrotman: and more time for guitar too |
| 12:03.52 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 12:04.10 | karmatronic | tralala: no,havent tried it yet |
| 12:04.25 | karmatronic | tralala: i use more python for regex stuff,... |
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| 12:04.59 | tralala | karmatronic, it's written in C and I've read that it has excelent performance, but I wonder how excelent it is. |
| 12:05.38 | tralala | and I also wonder what kind of stuff it does besides matrices |
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| 12:06.24 | karmatronic | tralala: actually it s cold numpy now ,i think |
| 12:06.55 | tralala | could be - I'm not really following the evolution of math |
| 12:07.02 | tralala | (and surrounding tools) |
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| 12:07.25 | suppaman | hello |
| 12:07.50 | tralala | I'm quite math resistent actually - it bounces off me like a ball |
| 12:08.09 | suppaman | is it like tamper-resistant ? |
| 12:08.17 | suppaman | maybe you just need a specific tool |
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| 12:10.29 | tralala | all this math talk has exhausted the channel |
| 12:10.48 | karmatronic | hehe |
| 12:10.50 | tralala | and scared the newbs out of asking stupid questions |
| 12:10.56 | tralala | I say we do it more often! |
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| 12:11.18 | Nichev1 | :) |
| 12:11.38 | abrotman | and we didn't even have the smart people here! |
| 12:12.00 | suppaman | you mean "smarth" |
| 12:12.21 | tralala | now are we elite or what! |
| 12:12.22 | abrotman | no .. i meant SMRT |
| 12:12.44 | abrotman | oh come on .. that was a good simpsons reference .. you're all fired |
| 12:13.19 | tralala | !simpsons |
| 12:13.19 | dpkg | SIMPSONS RULE, DUDE!, or check http://www.snpp.com for an authoritative list on the simpsons' goodies :> |
| 12:13.50 | karmatronic | !seinfeld |
| 12:14.13 | abrotman | !smrt |
| 12:14.13 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 12:14.29 | tralala | dpkg is a simpsons fanboy |
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| 12:15.20 | karmatronic | yeah that old maddash! |
| 12:15.33 | maddash | aheh -- i modded my ifupdown script to generate a new random mac addr with each boot. total anonymity. :P |
| 12:15.57 | maddash | karmatronic: bad karma ftw! |
| 12:17.34 | karmatronic | maddash: and this MAC hiding is useful? |
| 12:17.36 | Enverex | !familyguy |
| 12:17.42 | maddash | hm, now the trick is for this script to generate valid macs... |
| 12:17.54 | maddash | karmatronic: I do a lot of torrenting. heh. |
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| 12:18.25 | tralala | maddash, and the last step would be to generate valid auth for your ISP... |
| 12:18.49 | Nichev1 | oh.. apparently I had to tell gcc to link the math library |
| 12:18.55 | Nichev1 | -lm |
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| 12:19.16 | abrotman | maddash: your ISP still knows who you are |
| 12:19.23 | roxy_ | I want to do simple opengl stuff (like draw a polygon). What should I install ? |
| 12:19.24 | abrotman | Nichev1: really? |
| 12:19.25 | tralala | linking the libs tends to help occasionally |
| 12:19.30 | Nichev1 | :P |
| 12:19.39 | maddash | abrotman: nah, now I can blame it on the wardrivers |
| 12:19.41 | Nichev1 | g++ does by default, gcc don't |
| 12:19.47 | Nichev1 | or so #gcc says |
| 12:19.50 | abrotman | maddash: no you can't .. you're still responsible |
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| 12:20.17 | maddash | tralala: what kind of 'valid auth'? |
| 12:20.26 | abrotman | last i checked .. being stupid isn't a valid defense in a court of law |
| 12:20.30 | tralala | maddash, you sure can, but can you convince the court? |
| 12:20.44 | suw | what the heck is this? - did i messed my debian ? when i try to compile anything i get this: http://www.lowth.com/rope/attach/Download/rope-20051223.tgz |
| 12:20.46 | suw | ol |
| 12:20.48 | suw | oi |
| 12:20.52 | suw | gcc-4.1: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory |
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| 12:21.03 | suw | sorry - middle mouse |
| 12:21.24 | tralala | maddash, the kind abrotman is talking about |
| 12:21.32 | suw | i-ve reinstalled libgcc1 |
| 12:21.43 | suw | exec error? |
| 12:21.45 | abrotman | !b-e suw |
| 12:21.45 | dpkg | suw: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 12:21.53 | suw | i have that too |
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| 12:22.24 | abrotman | maddash: and for that to be even remotely valid .. you'd have to keep a log of all MACs that attach to your router |
| 12:22.57 | suw | ii build-essential 11.3 |
| 12:23.05 | suw | dpkg -l build* |
| 12:23.05 | dpkg | No packages found matching build* |
| 12:23.09 | maddash | abrotman, tralala: http://apps.michigandaily.com/blogs/thewire/?p=271 |
| 12:23.14 | abrotman | !find cc1 etch |
| 12:23.16 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'cc1' (4): lib64gcc1 ;; libcgicc1 ;; libcgicc1-dev ;; libgcc1. |
| 12:23.21 | tralala | and you'd have to show that your mac was connected together with the attacker's |
| 12:23.26 | maddash | abrotman, tralala: it's a blog, but it's adequate... |
| 12:23.46 | abrotman | maddash: you have to be able to prove that you're an idiot |
| 12:23.59 | abrotman | which shouldn't be hard |
| 12:24.12 | ProwL | abrotman holds it down. |
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| 12:24.27 | maddash | abrotman: now you're being stubborn. |
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| 12:24.44 | abrotman | maddash: it says that it's your responsibility to secure your stuff .. you're still liable |
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| 12:24.59 | wols_ | lastlog abrotman |
| 12:25.03 | abrotman | no way! |
| 12:25.41 | tralala | abrotman, if you secure it with wep you can claim that your wep was broken |
| 12:25.47 | maddash | aha. |
| 12:25.52 | tralala | but it's not going to help anyway |
| 12:26.02 | wols_ | maddash: "innocent until proven guilty" is a myth. do you have an open AP? |
| 12:26.02 | abrotman | tralala: you could .. but not likely |
| 12:26.22 | maddash | wols_: not until recently |
| 12:26.38 | abrotman | still not going to work |
| 12:27.04 | wols_ | maddash: just remember the riaa doesn't have to prove you are guilty. that only happens in your lawsuit wrt kiddie pr0n |
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| 12:27.40 | abrotman | maddash: and you're changing your internal MAC .. which doesn't matter |
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| 12:27.56 | tralala | maddash, you'd have a hard time explaining your lawyer all this and he'd have even harder time explaining it to the judge even if somebody else does actually use your connection |
| 12:28.22 | wols_ | abrotman: no MAC change matters cause the RIAA won't accuse him based on MAC, ever |
| 12:28.24 | abrotman | "yeah judge .. i opened up my AP so that i could get out of the lawsuit" |
| 12:28.39 | abrotman | wols_: it does or doesn't matter ? |
| 12:28.52 | tralala | it doesn't |
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| 12:29.12 | tralala | You're identified by IP , not by mac |
| 12:29.13 | wols_ | it doesn't. cause MAC is a layer2 thing or so. non routable |
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| 12:29.20 | abrotman | right |
| 12:29.20 | wols_ | his ISP won't see it or care |
| 12:29.29 | abrotman | or his internal IP |
| 12:29.38 | wols_ | abrotman: good idea! |
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| 12:29.50 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:29.56 | supaman | hey, I have a small displaying problem with my iceweasel, would someone be so nice as to confirm that it is reproducable: go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention and see if the History of the study of attention looks like is shown in http://www.fys.ku.dk/~ojs/snapper1182207349978.png |
| 12:30.00 | tralala | that's why if you need to hide from your ISP you better change your identify (auth) |
| 12:30.11 | maddash | er, actually, i've received a letter from NBC at the end of which the MAC was appended |
| 12:30.18 | abrotman | your router MAC |
| 12:30.21 | abrotman | not your internal one |
| 12:30.24 | supaman | my screen resolution is 1024x768 |
| 12:30.43 | supaman | and it is iceweasel v. 2.0.0.4-1 |
| 12:30.44 | tralala | but has the promise of bringing you much more trouble than it pottentially solves |
| 12:30.47 | wols_ | maddash: some ISPs hand out their IPs based on MACs. colleges too |
| 12:30.54 | Nichev1 | nope |
| 12:31.14 | abrotman | maddash: trust us .. they're smarter than you .. if they want to track you .. they will :) |
| 12:31.17 | ross_MoHaX | why apt-cdrom add couldn't mount cdrom, while mount /cdrom works fine? |
| 12:31.28 | wols_ | tralala: hide from my ISP? and how would I get inteernet then? throught my bathroom tubes? |
| 12:31.38 | abrotman | wols_: dumptruck |
| 12:31.56 | tralala | wols_, you're not paying attention you'll have to stay afterhours |
| 12:31.56 | wols_ | abrotman: phew! and I thought I had to start raising carrier pigeons |
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| 12:32.21 | wols_ | tralala: is there a pony around afterhours? |
| 12:32.31 | abrotman | he's sleeping! |
| 12:32.33 | DTE_ | hi all |
| 12:32.39 | tralala | wols_, yes, but it's not for you!!! |
| 12:32.42 | wols_ | abrotman: I take sleeping ponies too |
| 12:32.47 | abrotman | pervert |
| 12:33.08 | abrotman | ross_MoHaX: maybe it's trying the wrong device ? |
| 12:33.08 | DTE_ | has anybody built a failover cluster? |
| 12:33.15 | abrotman | ross_MoHaX: or it was already busy ? |
| 12:33.18 | wols_ | try to keep me away from the pony tralala, and there be an afterhours shift for the coroner |
| 12:33.23 | abrotman | (though it probably shouldn't try to remount) |
| 12:34.02 | tralala | maddash, if they've tracked you down already let them take you to court and prove which content of theirs you've been uploading exactly. The chances are they won't bother. |
| 12:34.17 | ross_MoHaX | abrotman, I give it even a mountpoint via '-d /cdrom' key, still no succes, mount /cdrom works ok |
| 12:34.29 | tralala | maddash, but if you end up in jail don't blame me :) |
| 12:34.32 | abrotman | ross_MoHaX: so mount it .. then run apt-cdrom ? |
| 12:34.52 | abrotman | tralala: i'm guessing if he already got a letter from NBC .. he's already in deep doggie doo |
| 12:35.27 | ross_MoHaX | abrotman, mount, run with '-d /cdrom -m' wokrs, but I'd like to apt-cdrom do all mount/umoun staff |
| 12:35.48 | abrotman | ross_MoHaX: do you have /cdrom in your fstab ? |
| 12:36.07 | tralala | abrotman, indeed. But statistically speaking it seems that the best defence is to just ignore them and let them try to prove in court that you have violated their rights. |
| 12:36.22 | abrotman | defense |
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| 12:36.32 | abrotman | tralala: would you really want to gamble your house on that? :) |
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| 12:36.46 | abrotman | tralala: it sounds like maddash has been downloading quite a bit |
| 12:36.52 | ross_MoHaX | And second q: how to raise priority of cdrom source over internet source? |
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| 12:37.05 | abrotman | probably pinning |
| 12:37.24 | tralala | abrotman, actaully I think the courts have said that only the uploading is a violation |
| 12:38.16 | tralala | and anyway unless you can't easily pay the money for the layers and the settlement you'd have to take your chances in court |
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| 12:38.29 | abrotman | tralala: he's torrenting .. he's uploading and downloading |
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| 12:38.50 | artagnon | doesn't libdvdread come with encrytped dvd support compiled in? |
| 12:38.58 | abrotman | ah .. no |
| 12:39.02 | abrotman | !tell peterrus about away |
| 12:39.20 | tralala | abrotman, I bet (his house) all the evidence they have is his IP and the torrent port numbers. That's not enough to win a case. |
| 12:39.46 | abrotman | tralala: i'm sure his ISP kept some sort of logs |
| 12:39.56 | abrotman | and if he got a letter from NBC .. someone was watching |
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| 12:40.26 | artagnon | ... and what happened to libdvdcss? |
| 12:40.33 | tralala | abrotman, and you think they'd be able to assemble his torrent upload and prove it's part of some content they own? |
| 12:40.34 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
| 12:40.36 | abrotman | !libdvdcss |
| 12:40.36 | dpkg | hmm... libdvdcss is NOT in debian - USA residents who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or see <marillat>, or <debian-unofficial> |
| 12:40.37 | uptownben | anybody know if Flimzy got that debian on USB/CF to work properly? |
| 12:40.58 | abrotman | tralala: would you bet your house on that? :) |
| 12:41.40 | tralala | abrotman, I might - depends on the alternatives |
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| 12:41.52 | abrotman | living in a gutter whilst trying to pay off RIAA :) |
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| 12:42.01 | roxy_ | I haven't done C for a long time. If I got a prog with <Foo/foo.h> , do I have to add anything when compiling or is gcc my.c enough ? |
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| 12:42.07 | bahadunn | anyone know of a word document to open document converter? |
| 12:42.15 | tralala | abrotman, heh :) |
| 12:42.20 | abrotman | bahadunn: openoffice? |
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| 12:42.33 | abrotman | bahadunn: or you mean a batch converter? |
| 12:42.34 | bahadunn | abrotman: I think openoffice is maybe not converting well |
| 12:42.58 | abrotman | bahadunn: you'd have OO, kword and abiword .. pick your poison |
| 12:43.00 | bahadunn | abrotman: I am suspicious that the document is not coverted properly |
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| 12:43.04 | tralala | bahadunn, you'd be hard pressed to find better |
| 12:43.12 | bahadunn | ok |
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| 12:43.18 | abrotman | bahadunn: or use word! :) |
| 12:43.29 | bahadunn | abrotman: :( |
| 12:43.33 | bahadunn | abrotman: dont wanna |
| 12:43.34 | dromer | hi all, I'm getting a segmentation fault when I try to start firefox on the local machine, but when I run it over x-forwarding it runs fine. any ideas? |
| 12:43.36 | abrotman | bahadunn: i meant to convert |
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| 12:43.48 | bahadunn | abrotman: dont have word |
| 12:43.49 | edistar_ | what is a segmentation fault? |
| 12:43.56 | abrotman | !segfault |
| 12:43.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, segfault is Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about sig11, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own |
| 12:44.08 | abrotman | bahadunn: ah .. that makes it harder :) |
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| 12:44.16 | dromer | edistar_: I get: Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 12:44.23 | tralala | abrotman, is word supporting opendocument?! I'd be shocked if it does. |
| 12:44.34 | bahadunn | edistar_: usually a segfault is when a program tries to write to memory that is read-only or it doesnt have permission to access |
| 12:44.35 | edistar_ | tralala: not yet, but it will |
| 12:44.56 | azeem | w41 |
| 12:44.56 | dromer | bahadunn: that's wierd though, it should just run fine :P |
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| 12:44.58 | azeem | oops |
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| 12:45.07 | dromer | !sig11 |
| 12:45.07 | dpkg | well, sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 12:45.24 | tralala | edistar_, in a typical MS standard support fashion undoubtedly |
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| 12:45.48 | abrotman | tralala: http://odf-converter.sourceforge.net/download.html |
| 12:45.59 | edistar_ | tralala:so that micro$ can say they are in favour of open standards and press their standard too |
| 12:46.28 | js_ | how much is 381559 MB in 512-byte sectors? |
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| 12:46.50 | abrotman | js_: divide by 2 ? |
| 12:46.52 | tralala | edistar_, they will actually support an "improved" version of the standard which will only work with their office |
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| 12:46.55 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 12:47.03 | abrotman | not 512K sectors |
| 12:47.26 | tralala | abrotman, woow! |
| 12:47.31 | abrotman | tralala: ? |
| 12:47.49 | edistar_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.49 | edistar_ | 14:48 < tralala> abrotman, woow! |
| 12:47.49 | edistar_ | 14:48 < abrotman> tralala: ? |
| 12:48.00 | abrotman | edistar_: i can read .. thanks |
| 12:48.04 | tralala | abrotman, the odf converter |
| 12:48.06 | abrotman | oh |
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| 12:48.25 | tralala | very handy! |
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| 12:48.39 | abrotman | tralala: would be cooler if it had a batch mode of sorts |
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| 12:49.01 | CalJohn | I have 1.8gb of debs in /var/cache/archives. It's it ok just to clear them? (I'm running out of root partition space) |
| 12:49.09 | abrotman | apt-get clean |
| 12:49.20 | CalJohn | abrotman: that directed at mE? |
| 12:49.23 | js_ | abrotman: multiply by 1024 and divide by 2? |
| 12:49.28 | tralala | abrotman, that's easily achievable using VB |
| 12:49.49 | tralala | or should I say VBA aka macros |
| 12:49.53 | abrotman | CalJohn: yes |
| 12:49.57 | abrotman | js_: sounds reasonable |
| 12:50.04 | abrotman | tralala: yeah .. but VB sucks |
| 12:50.21 | abrotman | and that's not objective. . that's a fact :) |
| 12:50.42 | tralala | abrotman, so does life but what are the alternatives?! ;) |
| 12:50.55 | abrotman | IRC? |
| 12:51.06 | tralala | hehehe |
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| 12:53.03 | peterrus | abrotman, yes sir |
| 12:53.25 | abrotman | peterrus: yeah .. so there! |
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| 12:53.47 | peterrus | abrotman wants you to know: Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_...... |
| 12:54.05 | abrotman | peterrus: ah .. thank you :) |
| 12:54.09 | peterrus | :) |
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| 12:55.11 | sanelson | Anyone here got enemy territory working? I can't get any sound; sound works on other apps |
| 12:55.50 | abrotman | is snd_pcm_oss loaded ? |
| 12:56.07 | abrotman | just a guess .. i've never seen the game |
| 12:56.39 | abrotman | is it like Combat ? |
| 12:57.36 | wols_ | abrotman: it's a quake/et issue since it uses OSS |
| 12:57.56 | abrotman | hehe .. i remember once .. i was guiding my block .. and we had bouncing blocks .. and i shot my block .. and it bounced like five times and hit my brother's block .. his block died .. he was mad |
| 12:57.56 | wols_ | enemy territory is quake3 based game in ww2 |
| 12:58.26 | wols_ | abrotman: not him. you are mad, quite mad |
| 12:58.27 | Blackgoth | god, i hate .. |
| 12:58.28 | Blackgoth | s |
| 12:58.29 | abrotman | maybe it wasn't five times |
| 12:58.40 | abrotman | Blackgoth: ? |
| 12:58.50 | abrotman | Blackgoth: oh .. you hate .. !!! |
| 12:58.55 | Blackgoth | yep. |
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| 12:59.04 | abrotman | Blackgoth: sorry .. i use them a lot :) |
| 12:59.08 | sanelson | yes - I dod modprobe snd_pcm_oss and then echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss |
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| 12:59.11 | sanelson | ah.... |
| 12:59.14 | sanelson | i am on amd64 |
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| 12:59.21 | sanelson | wonder if that's significant? |
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| 13:02.10 | tralala | who would've thought... |
| 13:02.24 | gbw | hello, does anyone know, if there is any https site which demonstrate client authentication for testing purpose out there? |
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| 13:03.24 | GrayCardinal | hello. how can i link 2 ircd-hybrid servers ? |
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| 13:03.45 | L0cKn | http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/22/report-vista-more-secure-than-os-x-and-linux/ |
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| 13:04.48 | abrotman | L0cKn: good for them |
| 13:04.54 | L0cKn | ahahahahahahahhaha |
| 13:05.03 | abrotman | is that all you came here for ? |
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| 13:05.19 | bkw | http://pastebin.ca/583565 isn't that the way I can allow specific hosts with in /etc/hosts.allow? |
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| 13:06.31 | abrotman | bkw: deny all .. then allow certain IPs .. i think the order matters |
| 13:06.40 | tralala | L0cKn, you must be having very advanced sense of humor |
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| 13:08.48 | L0cKn | tralala: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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| 13:09.16 | tralala | and quite a vocabulary |
| 13:09.17 | abrotman | tralala: apparently not |
| 13:09.38 | flami | ... didnt vista already have taht nice bug that you could execute any code with a modified music file in media player? ( woooooww soo secure ) |
| 13:09.52 | abrotman | ask ##windows :) |
| 13:09.59 | tralala | flami, so did mplayer |
| 13:10.00 | flami | i think the next step to make it more secure is just to prevent it to boot ^^ |
| 13:10.10 | bkw | abrotman: same behavior, no hosts are blocked :/ |
| 13:10.21 | flami | i use vlc :P pffuiii |
| 13:10.34 | abrotman | bkw: man hosts.allow and hosts.deny |
| 13:11.52 | tralala | hosts.* is probably comming from the pre-netfilter era |
| 13:12.54 | abrotman | that too |
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| 13:20.19 | tralala | dpkg, say something |
| 13:20.19 | dpkg | something |
| 13:20.25 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 13:20.25 | dpkg | hmm... qotd97 is [21:05:13] <MarkS> guys, just a quick poll/survey. What irc client are you using? [21:05:32] <pipeline> MarkS: Just /version #debian [21:05:54] <MarkS> oh cool... thanks pipeline. I didn't realize I could do that. |
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| 13:20.44 | tralala | ouch! |
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| 13:20.51 | Southern | Hi |
| 13:21.03 | Blackgoth | !seen gpm |
| 13:21.03 | dpkg | gpm <n=gpm@unaffiliated/gpm> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6h 15m 54s ago, saying: 'o/o all'. |
| 13:21.06 | Blackgoth | >< |
| 13:21.09 | Southern | what tool would you use to repair an vfat partition from an usb drive??? |
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| 13:21.32 | abrotman | !ubcd |
| 13:21.32 | dpkg | [ubcd] http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ or and a version full of windows tools http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
| 13:21.43 | tralala | fsck.msdos |
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| 13:22.31 | Southern | tralala included in dosfstools right? |
| 13:22.47 | tralala | !find fsck.msdos |
| 13:22.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fsck.msdos' (1): (/sbin/fsck.msdos) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
| 13:23.02 | Southern | thx :) |
| 13:24.07 | tralala | but mkfs.msdos is probably a faster repair method with almost the same data recovery features |
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| 13:24.57 | Southern | tralala, Currently, only 1 or 2 FATs are supported, not 42. |
| 13:25.00 | Southern | any clue? :S |
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| 13:25.23 | tralala | I thought so |
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| 13:25.35 | Southern | :) |
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| 13:26.35 | abrotman | SNG! |
| 13:26.42 | sng | Hey. |
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| 13:27.00 | abrotman | Southern: try the ubcd above |
| 13:27.22 | abrotman | i won't vouch for the safety of your data though |
| 13:28.02 | tralala | that was a quick visit |
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| 13:28.18 | Southern | UBCD? |
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| 13:28.46 | Shisui | !ubcd |
| 13:28.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubcd is http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ or and a version full of windows tools http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
| 13:29.00 | Southern | thanks :) |
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| 13:29.33 | Shisui | check above, abrotman already said it :) |
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| 13:31.36 | Southern | tralala, what am I supposed to di with a boot cd?? It's only the partition in the usb drive where I store music,etc that doesn't work... |
| 13:31.50 | colo_work | hi all - I'm looking for a httpd available on Debian Sarge that's lightweight and can do HTTPS - no need for CGI, PHP or anything else though. can you recommend me? |
| 13:31.51 | Southern | I'm new to this stuff so take it easy with me haha x) |
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| 13:32.53 | tralala | colo_work, for sarge?! |
| 13:33.15 | artagnon | how do I find out which graphic card I have onboard? lspci returns 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 03d2 (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 13:33.58 | keith4_ | colo_work: thttp ? |
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| 13:34.34 | tralala | Southern, I don't know you'll have to figure out this part yourself. Or simply format the partition |
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| 13:35.02 | Southern | tralala, no thanks x) |
| 13:35.13 | Southern | gonna see if I manage something, thx for the info :) |
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| 13:35.38 | LLcoolM_ | i have a problem with statistics on ppp0 interface. when the line gets disconnected (which happens once a day) the ppp0 interface shows the interface is using full bandwidth of the underlying ethernet card (dsl). that will get the graphs scaled badly showing the full range from 0-100mbit and the relatively small dsl will not show average traffic (because max is 2mbit) and on a graph to 100mbit that is rather few. |
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| 13:36.11 | user_ | euhm, guys, what are debian's minimum HD requiremment's for basic cli install? anyone :) |
| 13:36.13 | hoodlerm | hi... i have a question in regard to configuring software raid. i have 2x120gb in a mirror volume. now.. ive just purchased a 4 port sata controller nad want to configure software raid for my 3x320gb drives, where would i go about getting information on how to do this |
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| 13:36.32 | keith4_ | user_: i fit sarge on a 256m flash card a few weeks ago |
| 13:36.38 | keith4_ | er |
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| 13:36.40 | keith4_ | etch, not sarge |
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| 13:36.55 | keith4_ | hoodlerm: man mdadm |
| 13:37.01 | hoodlerm | ah thanks |
| 13:37.03 | hoodlerm | :) |
| 13:37.51 | dorao | I'm getting: "/usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so cannot open shared object file" when starting X after I updated X in sid |
| 13:37.57 | dorao | is there a workaround? |
| 13:38.05 | keith4_ | don't use DRI? |
| 13:38.34 | colo_work | tralala: yeah, for sarge |
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| 13:38.47 | dorao | in the Module section of xorg.conf, I commented out 'dri'.. it still tries to use it |
| 13:38.48 | colo_work | keith4_: thttpd won't do ssl, afaik |
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| 13:39.01 | user_ | keith4_: okay, ty :) (p.s. my hd is 171mb -.- so i guess i have to try dsl then, alredy tryed installing debian 4.0 but didnt suceed, i guess the disc space is the issue. hmm, mb anyone knows the FreeBSD min hd req's?;) ) |
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| 13:39.18 | wols_ | sebest: user_ 100-200MB |
| 13:39.34 | keith4_ | user_: you might be able to squeeze it on there |
| 13:39.55 | wols_ | +uit can work. it all depends how much you need to install |
| 13:40.01 | user_ | wols: ty :) |
| 13:40.02 | artagnon | When I try to play a DVD using xine, it drops too many frames for comfortable viewing- How do I diagnose which part of my hardware is lagging? |
| 13:40.19 | wols_ | user_: install sarge |
| 13:40.28 | wols_ | user_: how much memory do you have? |
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| 13:40.38 | user_ | keith4_: yes i tryed, i hoped to, but dint worked, so now i guess im about to take dsl :) |
| 13:40.54 | keith4_ | colo_work: just use apache2 and don't install any php stuff? |
| 13:41.13 | wols_ | user_: I ran sarge on a 170MB disk, and I'm sure one can get etch to run there too. again: how much memory? |
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| 13:41.34 | colo_work | keith4_: the site is going to run on VERY low resources, a smallish vserver |
| 13:41.43 | blah | did latest dhcp upgrade in unstable screw anyone else? |
| 13:41.43 | colo_work | I've got to conserve as many resources as possible |
| 13:41.53 | keith4_ | you're going to do SSL on "a smallish vserver"? |
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| 13:42.01 | user_ | wols_: pentium processor, 386 or 486, dont actuall know, 32mb of ram, (i putted there in actually 6x8mb, but it shows only 32) and 171mb hd :) |
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| 13:42.13 | keith4_ | oh man |
| 13:42.21 | wols_ | user_: the RAM is the problem for etch install |
| 13:42.24 | artagnon | When I try to play a DVD using xine, it drops too many frames. How do I diagnose which part of my hardware is lagging? |
| 13:42.39 | Blackgoth | 32 isnt a problem for etch wols_ :/ |
| 13:42.46 | user_ | wols_: ahh so.. hmm |
| 13:42.52 | keith4_ | Blackgoth: without swap? |
| 13:42.56 | keith4_ | it would be |
| 13:42.59 | Blackgoth | without swap. |
| 13:43.09 | Blackgoth | might be a bit slow tho :P |
| 13:43.14 | cydork | Blackgoth: for the etch installer it is. |
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| 13:43.31 | Blackgoth | cydork: i have installed etch in 16mb. |
| 13:43.40 | keith4_ | without swap? |
| 13:43.44 | Blackgoth | without swap |
| 13:43.45 | wols_ | user_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en |
| 13:43.47 | cydork | Blackgoth: with normal etch installer? |
| 13:43.49 | keith4_ | that, i would like to see |
| 13:43.49 | Blackgoth | took me 2 days tho |
| 13:43.52 | keith4_ | heh |
| 13:44.00 | wols_ | user_: install sarge or even woody. |
| 13:44.11 | user_ | i guess of taking 64mb swap, so ive 100mb for root left.. |
| 13:44.22 | Blackgoth | and you would see this : http://upload.fkees.net/img/2510/debian.PNG |
| 13:44.24 | colo_work | keith4_: yes, I am, because I have to. cope with it. |
| 13:44.26 | wols_ | user_: too much swap |
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| 13:44.46 | wols_ | user_: my 128MB lappie uses around 60MB in when in X |
| 13:44.58 | wols_ | maybe 32MB swap or none at all |
| 13:45.09 | wols_ | use none at all and use a swapfile if needed |
| 13:45.17 | user_ | hmm, okay, so i think then ill gotta have 32 hehe , ty :) |
| 13:45.25 | user_ | hmm |
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| 13:46.09 | keith4_ | Blackgoth: ah, neat |
| 13:46.21 | user_ | cuz, on ubuntu channel i asked what would they advise as swap, on 171mb hd, and someone sayd 2xthe ram, and ive also alredy readed it somewhere, so i tough |
| 13:46.31 | Blackgoth | etch "will" install, but you wont like it :P |
| 13:46.49 | user_ | why i wont like it?:) |
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| 13:46.59 | Blackgoth | the install took me 2 days |
| 13:47.06 | Blackgoth | on 16MB |
| 13:47.09 | colo_work | you need gentoo man! |
| 13:47.18 | Blackgoth | freebsd mini image is a better idea |
| 13:47.20 | cydork | colo_work: wtf?? |
| 13:47.26 | user_ | cuz, i wanted to take debian and put flux on it, so i get it all clean, not preconfigured by dsl gys :) |
| 13:47.26 | colo_work | you'll be dead before it's finished installing |
| 13:47.45 | cydork | heh |
| 13:47.53 | user_ | its not a trouble |
| 13:47.53 | wols_ | colo_work: no. distcc |
| 13:48.01 | user_ | i can let it install :) |
| 13:48.08 | cydork | wols_: with cluster of 386s? :) |
| 13:48.13 | user_ | freebsd mini image? hmm |
| 13:48.18 | tralala | ipaqs |
| 13:48.19 | colo_work | wols_: the machine probably would take ages for configure alone |
| 13:48.23 | colo_work | so don't bother ;) |
| 13:48.23 | x_link | wols_: Hi, do you know any program that will show the MHz of my RAM? |
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| 13:48.32 | colo_work | x_link: memtest86 |
| 13:48.33 | x_link | I have been looking since yesterday but without success. |
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| 13:48.39 | colo_work | and memtest+ |
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| 13:48.46 | x_link | colo_work: Well, I want something that I don't need to reboot for. |
| 13:48.52 | wols_ | x_link: to a degree dmidecode. what chipset and cpu do you have? |
| 13:48.56 | colo_work | you could try dmidecode |
| 13:48.56 | cydork | x_link: dmidecode? |
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| 13:49.00 | tralala | a luster of ipaqs doing cross compiling |
| 13:49.14 | colo_work | I also had a smallish C program reading the SPD directly for DDR-SDRAM |
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| 13:49.30 | colo_work | flying around somewhere on my backup space probably |
| 13:49.31 | x_link | wols_: I just tried dmidecode: Speed Unkown. |
| 13:49.39 | wols_ | colo_work: those often lie (the SPDEEPROMS |
| 13:49.46 | wols_ | x_link: I asked you a question |
| 13:49.46 | x_link | wols_: Abit KN9S nForce 550, AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+ |
| 13:49.48 | user_ | okay, thx guys, ill google a bit, on floppy install howtos or something and ill c :) |
| 13:50.10 | colo_work | probably 200MHz then |
| 13:50.46 | wols_ | by default it's DDR2 533 but you can buy faster RAm just fine |
| 13:51.04 | x_link | wols_: Was that last thing for me? |
| 13:51.04 | wols_ | colo_work: no |
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| 13:51.09 | wols_ | yes |
| 13:51.13 | colo_work | oh, that's AM2 already? |
| 13:51.39 | wols_ | colo_work: nforce5 |
| 13:51.58 | wols_ | also, if he tells a shopkeeper 200MHz DDr1 he gets DDR1 PC1600... |
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| 13:53.07 | colo_work | well then I'd ask for PC3200 specifically |
| 13:53.10 | colo_work | or "DDR400" |
| 13:53.20 | colo_work | so he won't end up with PC2-3200 |
| 13:53.40 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 13:53.41 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 13:53.43 | wols_ | he should buy PC2-5300 or faster |
| 13:53.47 | x_link | I have 4x Corsair Value 512MB DDR2 667MHz Dual-Channel RAM. |
| 13:53.48 | cahoot | x_link: modprobe eeprom and run /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl |
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| 13:53.55 | wols_ | personally, I'd only buy DDR2-800. It's cheap now |
| 13:53.56 | x_link | But I put it on 533MHz yesterday so that I could overclock. |
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| 13:54.06 | x_link | I overclocked from 2000MHz to 2800MHz |
| 13:54.08 | wols_ | x_link: then get more of that speedgrade |
| 13:54.15 | x_link | So I want to know what the RAM is on now. |
| 13:54.20 | wols_ | x_link: then definitely get DDR2-800 |
| 13:54.30 | wols_ | micron D9GMH chips if possible |
| 13:54.41 | x_link | wols_: Why should I get 800MHz RAM? |
| 13:54.43 | wols_ | that depns on your BIOS settings since you OC |
| 13:54.50 | wols_ | cause you overclock |
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| 13:54.54 | x_link | I don't want to OC more. |
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| 13:55.03 | x_link | I just want to know what my current MHz is set to. |
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| 13:57.08 | simmerz | does postfix not install a logrotate entry? |
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| 13:59.02 | stew | simmerz: no, it logs via syslog |
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| 13:59.43 | simmerz | stew: ok. so if I move mail.* to mail.log, do I need to do any postrotate stuff? |
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| 14:01.05 | stew | simmerz: what exactly do you mean? |
| 14:01.38 | wols_ | simmerz: it does use logrotate |
| 14:01.45 | wols_ | nothing for you to do normally |
| 14:01.54 | simmerz | wols_: I want to keep mail stuff separate from the syslog |
| 14:02.01 | simmerz | it doesn't by default |
| 14:02.13 | stew | simmerz: syslog rotates all of its own stuff |
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| 14:02.27 | stew | wols_: it doesn't use logrotate |
| 14:02.34 | wols_ | simmerz: by default postfix logs in both |
| 14:02.35 | simmerz | stew: ah ok, so no need for logrotate at all |
| 14:02.44 | wols_ | just don't make it log to syslog. /etc/syslog.conf |
| 14:02.45 | stew | simmerz: oh, you mean you are going to change postfix to not use syslog? |
| 14:02.45 | simmerz | wols_: it didn't. I had to edit syslog.conf |
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| 14:02.56 | wols_ | simmerz: what debian version? |
| 14:03.00 | simmerz | etch |
| 14:03.09 | wols_ | it logs for me in both just fine |
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| 14:03.11 | simmerz | Postfix uses the MAIL facility |
| 14:03.36 | simmerz | so I want mail.* to go to /var/log/mail.log which doesn't happen on the default postfix install. it all goes to syslog. |
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| 14:04.11 | simmerz | so I changed syslog.conf to make it go to the relevant places (uncommented the various sections) |
| 14:04.18 | wols_ | no. it goes to mail.log for me |
| 14:04.18 | SteveC | What is the most used backup solution for Debian ? Something that gives me point restore and full restore... |
| 14:04.31 | simmerz | SteveC: look at backup2l |
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| 14:04.42 | simmerz | wols_: not for me |
| 14:04.46 | stew | wols_: where does postfix log by default besides syslog? |
| 14:04.49 | giupy | hi all |
| 14:04.56 | simmerz | is yours an upgrade from sarge or fresh install of etch? |
| 14:05.03 | SteveC | /var/log/mail.* ? |
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| 14:05.14 | wols_ | upgrade |
| 14:05.22 | giupy | sorry for OT, how can i stop any user to use my wireless lan trough a wifi router? |
| 14:05.27 | simmerz | SteveC: apt-get install backup2l |
| 14:05.39 | wols_ | giupy: user on your debian box? ifdown wlan0 |
| 14:05.41 | giupy | i want to enable only one user |
| 14:05.42 | simmerz | wols_: mine is a clean install. maybe that is the issue |
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| 14:05.53 | simmerz | giupy: firewalls |
| 14:05.56 | giupy | wols_: no, i have a modem/router |
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| 14:06.18 | giupy | is there a authenticate system ? |
| 14:06.26 | stew | SteveC: no, that is where syslog logs, and the only postfix logs in there come from syslog |
| 14:06.30 | simmerz | giupy: normally, you want to set WEP/WPA encryption then |
| 14:06.31 | wols_ | only a mandatory proxy |
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| 14:06.44 | giupy | simmerz: well thanks, i search in my router page |
| 14:06.51 | SteveC | stew: oh, I see.. I'd have thougth that was it's only logging... |
| 14:06.57 | wols_ | or you could possibly make a iptables script. I think there is a mark for uid |
| 14:07.01 | SuMarDi | hi, how can i change font size on debian if i'm using fluxbox? |
| 14:07.10 | stew | SteveC: me as well. wols_ is claiming that postfix logs somewhere else, but i don't know where |
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| 14:07.23 | simmerz | stew: so to confirm - syslog will rotate mail.log if syslog.conf states that its mail facility should log there? |
| 14:07.27 | wols_ | he does not want to set wep encryption. but then: it's a router question and OT |
| 14:07.29 | stew | simmerz: yes |
| 14:07.32 | giupy | i have this too : 802.1x/WPA Use this screen to enable / disable wireless client authentication |
| 14:07.37 | simmerz | stew: great! less work for me! |
| 14:07.55 | stew | simmerz: in /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 14:08.15 | simmerz | ah! |
| 14:08.27 | simmerz | "eureka" as they say, without the bath, or the nakedness |
| 14:08.33 | stew | simmerz: as long as it shows up in "syslogd-listfiles --all" |
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| 14:08.50 | simmerz | yes it does |
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| 14:11.59 | simmerz | giupy: yep, that sounds about right |
| 14:12.11 | giupy | simmerz: thanks |
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| 14:12.23 | simmerz | bear in mind you'll need to have a wireless card whose firmware supports WPA, and use wpa_supplicant to connect |
| 14:12.48 | simmerz | otherwise you'll not have any wireless at all. |
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| 14:20.43 | shadebob | hi. I have a problem with my network. In dmesg my sky2 module is loaded with eth0. But in the shell if have to "ifconfig eth3 up". |
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| 14:21.00 | MvG | Hi! Trying to use nss_ldap with kerberos auth, I get "GSSAPI Error: Miscellaneous failure (Unknown code krb5 200)". Any idea what this could mean? |
| 14:21.06 | n0mad | where's is the right place in /etc to set JAVA_HOME, LD_LIBRARY_PATH for the whole system, bash.bashrc, profile, environment ? |
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| 14:22.25 | MvG | n0mad: Kind of debian noob myself, but I'd guess /etc/environment and /etc/bash.bashrc look promising. |
| 14:22.29 | tvynr | If I wanted to package up a set of configuration file changes (like modifications to /etc/inittab), how would I go about doing it? A preinst that patches in some changes and a postrm that takes them out? |
| 14:22.48 | tvynr | n0mad: I put mine in /etc/profile but I can't say that I know what I'm doing. ;) |
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| 14:23.16 | abrotman | wols_: ping! |
| 14:23.28 | MvG | n0mad: Ah, sorry, misunderstood your question, you want to set those two, and ask where to put it from the three alternatives. environment I'd say. |
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| 14:25.04 | n0mad | MvG,tvynr: I m using bash.bashrc and environment atm. and it works. but tomcat doesnt get the java_home setting when starting up. |
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| 14:27.55 | makk1ntosh[work] | hello all |
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| 14:28.18 | makk1ntosh[work] | today i tried to install php4-mysql and got error Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main libapache-mod-php4 6:4.4.4-8+etch2 |
| 14:28.18 | makk1ntosh[work] | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.34 | Blackgoth | apt-get update |
| 14:28.44 | Blackgoth | and then retry |
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| 14:30.28 | techbee1 | nomad:echo $PATH and wat it tells you about your defined java_home location |
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| 14:31.43 | agent | How do I remove the "binaries" installed via scons? Is there a make uninstall equivalent in scons? Is it scons -c or is scons -c the equivalent of make clean? |
| 14:31.53 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i installed apache 1.3 and i keep getting this error about Symbolic link not allowed: /disk1/apache/phpmyadmin/ . would appreciate some help |
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| 14:32.40 | simonrvn | apache manual > FollowSymlinks or SymlinksIfOwnerMatch |
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| 14:34.44 | walber | Someone work or already worked with wine(emulator of windows API)? Because I have some problems with install a application that only run on Windows XP, and I want that in a environment linux. |
| 14:35.08 | thelostbutler | simonrvn: i already have that enabled Options Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks MultiViews |
| 14:35.09 | xand | no, no-one |
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| 14:35.34 | xand | thelostbutler: on the right directory? and did you restart apache after making the change? |
| 14:35.52 | flami | walber, check the http://appdb.winehq.org/ and #winehq |
| 14:36.09 | flami | !tell walber about ask |
| 14:36.17 | albert | is there a way of playing my old playstation games on my pc using a usb-joypad? |
| 14:36.33 | albert | (and cdrom, ofcourse) |
| 14:36.37 | thelostbutler | xand: Directory /disk1/apache/phpmyadmin/ is the line that i have in /etc/apache/conf.d/phymyadmin.conf and i did restart apache |
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| 14:38.46 | walber | <flami> Thanks, I will go there. |
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| 14:39.09 | artagnon | how do I upmix music from 2.1 to 5.1? |
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| 14:41.09 | karmatronic | albert of course you can ! |
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| 14:41.59 | albert | karmatronic, is there a good emulator in the debian-repositories? |
| 14:42.11 | karmatronic | yes epsxe |
| 14:42.16 | karmatronic | i think |
| 14:42.31 | albert | i'll do a search, ty ;) |
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| 14:43.28 | karmatronic | albert: i use zsns |
| 14:43.33 | karmatronic | zsnes i mean |
| 14:43.52 | albert | is it able to read ps cdroms? |
| 14:44.07 | karmatronic | both can |
| 14:44.32 | karmatronic | but iso are easy to find anyway |
| 14:45.00 | karmatronic | zsnes is meant for the super nintendo |
| 14:45.14 | karmatronic | there s also one for the megadrive and the atari 2600 |
| 14:45.20 | albert | quite obvious :D |
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| 14:46.38 | albert | ah, i got one |
| 14:46.44 | albert | pcsx is the one |
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| 14:49.17 | cobra306 | how many CDs do i need to install Debian Etch ? |
| 14:49.27 | stew | cobra306: 1 |
| 14:49.28 | cast | cobra306: 1/10th of one. |
| 14:49.44 | cobra306 | but there are 21 right ? |
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| 14:49.52 | cobra306 | how many do you recommend ? |
| 14:49.58 | Ronin | 1 |
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| 14:50.12 | cast | just grab the netinst cd. |
| 14:50.13 | Ronin | you can get the rest using aptitude presuming of course you have a decent connection |
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| 14:51.00 | cast | i had all 7 when i was on dialup, but the times they've changed |
| 14:51.29 | cobra306 | the netinst CD ? |
| 14:51.32 | cobra306 | which one is that ? |
| 14:51.39 | Ronin | cobra306: are you on highspeed? |
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| 14:51.45 | cobra306 | De: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 14:51.45 | cobra306 | Para: C:\Documents and Settings\outro\Ambiente de trabalho\debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 14:51.45 | cobra306 | Dimensão: 648,0 MB (679430144 bytes) |
| 14:51.45 | cobra306 | Transferido: 161,8 MB (169624260 bytes) |
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| 14:51.48 | Nexu | I'm trying to install java 1.6 on etch but when I run fakeroot, I get "No matching plugin was found". Anyone know the secret to getting it installed? I tried DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE=i386-linux |
| 14:51.49 | albert | it's the netinstall iso |
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| 14:52.17 | cobra306 | debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso im downloading this one |
| 14:52.23 | cobra306 | will it work with only this iso ? |
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| 14:53.16 | cast | it'll work fine. |
| 14:54.08 | cobra306 | i mean during the installer will it ask for the following ISOS ? |
| 14:54.28 | Blackgoth | just bash it into a netinstall |
| 14:54.29 | simonrvn | and don't paste again, you know what happens ;) |
| 14:54.40 | cobra306 | sorry |
| 14:54.50 | cobra306 | i didnt want to use a netinstall |
| 14:55.03 | cobra306 | the mirrors may be slow |
| 14:55.13 | simonrvn | the full cd 1 iso is ok to install with too, it's designed that way |
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| 14:55.23 | albert | what's the command to check which devices have been pluged recently? |
| 14:55.35 | cast | albert: dmesg? |
| 14:55.42 | albert | thx |
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| 14:55.54 | cobra306 | im also downloading the cd 2, maybe i should cancel it if it isnt needed |
| 14:56.01 | mikes | hello! does anyone use amsn in sid?? |
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| 14:56.09 | karmatronic | albert: tail -f /var/log/messages |
| 14:56.10 | cast | cobra306: i doubt you will find mirror speed a problem, if anything itll be your connection thats the problem |
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| 14:56.20 | karmatronic | mikes: yes |
| 14:56.34 | karmatronic | mikes: for the webcam |
| 14:57.15 | cobra306 | well when i started downloading i was thinking about doing apt-get after installing the 1 ISO CD |
| 14:57.17 | mikes | karmatronic: i have a problem. it does not recognise a lot of my installed fonts |
| 14:57.41 | mikes | karmatronic did you experienced any simular problem? |
| 14:58.10 | cobra306 | can i use beryl with ATI Mobility Radeon X700 in debian ? is there any good tutorial ? |
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| 14:58.51 | yeonhoo | Question : how can I clean command history ?? |
| 14:59.03 | yeonhoo | where can I find history file? |
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| 14:59.12 | karmatronic | mikes: no |
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| 14:59.24 | yeonhoo | karmatronic, do you know how do ? |
| 14:59.24 | cahoot | yeonhoo: probably .bash_history |
| 14:59.32 | yeonhoo | cahoot, ok i try |
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| 15:00.03 | cobra306 | can i use beryl with ATI Mobility Radeon X700 in debian ? is there any good tutorial ?? |
| 15:00.06 | cahoot | yeonhoo: ~/.bash_history to be more accurate |
| 15:00.18 | yeonhoo | cahoot, one more thing ,, after opening man file how can i out of that man page? |
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| 15:00.42 | yeonhoo | I put ctrl + c but doesnt happen anything |
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| 15:00.47 | cahoot | q |
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| 15:01.19 | yeonhoo | ops thank you cahoot |
| 15:01.21 | duns_s | hi |
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| 15:01.56 | cast | yeonhoo: history -c |
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| 15:02.08 | duns_s | is aptitude broken in unstable for more than a week now? |
| 15:02.16 | duns_s | unstable 386 |
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| 15:02.29 | albert | karmatronic, i wonder how i can find out, what's my joypad in /dev |
| 15:02.52 | albert | karmatronic, the tail -f /var/log/messages don't give me no clue :( |
| 15:03.35 | yeonhoo | thank you cast |
| 15:03.37 | yeonhoo | =D |
| 15:03.49 | qmr | so |
| 15:03.53 | duns_s | i know unstable questions are a bit stupid, but it works with my friend on 386... |
| 15:04.00 | qmr | I have decided to change all my unix logins from 'quintin' to 'qmr' |
| 15:04.15 | qmr | I figure over my lifetime, this should save me at several hours, at least :D |
| 15:05.07 | yeonhoo | Im trying to open .bash_history file but system said that like no permission |
| 15:05.10 | Spyro_boy | Hello. |
| 15:05.13 | Spyro_boy | What's better? CheckInstall or InstallWatch? |
| 15:05.20 | yeonhoo | but im trying on root mode |
| 15:05.22 | Spyro_boy | They both seem to do similar things. |
| 15:05.41 | Spyro_boy | Not sure which one is "better" though. |
| 15:05.42 | yeonhoo | why even im root cant access the file? |
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| 15:06.42 | karmatronic | yeonhoo: maybe chmod u+r .bash_history |
| 15:06.46 | nvz | yeonhoo: like, be like, specific.. hehe and whatever.. |
| 15:07.41 | cast | karmatronic: root never cares about permissions |
| 15:07.51 | yeonhoo | nvz, because the error message isnt in english |
| 15:08.00 | yeonhoo | but translating it, its like no permission |
| 15:08.07 | yeonhoo | hehe.. |
| 15:08.11 | nvz | yeonhoo: so whats the command you typed? |
| 15:08.32 | yeonhoo | so ~/.bash_history |
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| 15:08.35 | xand | cast: it does for +x |
| 15:08.49 | nvz | yeonhoo: yeah thats gonna say permission denied, cause you're trying to run it |
| 15:09.28 | yeonhoo | YES translating correctly would be permission denied. You are rright |
| 15:09.37 | nvz | like, instead of like, you know, like.. trying to like, edit it and whatever :P |
| 15:09.38 | cast | xand: good point |
| 15:09.42 | yeonhoo | nvz, but why this message appear even im a Root? |
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| 15:10.28 | yeonhoo | nvz, ok |
| 15:10.32 | nvz | yeonhoo: nano .bash_history |
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| 15:10.49 | cahoot | yeonhoo: you don't want to run that file - you wanted to empty it - no= then do as cast told you - history -c |
| 15:11.18 | alexfranci | hello! it would be the first time i install debian. i would like to get unstable version.have i to download a special iso image or i download stable one and use unstable repositories? |
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| 15:11.36 | yeonhoo | cahoot, you are right i diddint wanted to open. i just wanted to empty it. |
| 15:11.54 | yeonhoo | but i was curious because i couldnt open bash_history file |
| 15:12.01 | nvz | yeonhoo: rm would empty it :P |
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| 15:12.20 | cast | running your history file if you hadn't just emptied it would be rather amusing |
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| 15:12.33 | cahoot | or devastating |
| 15:12.41 | cast | thats what i said :P |
| 15:13.00 | liable | !qotd75 |
| 15:13.00 | dpkg | <Glitch_Master> Have you ever gone to the very beginning of your root command history and read stuff? It's very nostalgic.. <shingouz> Glitch_Master: Yea, I noticed "let there be light" ;) |
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| 15:13.17 | yeonhoo | even after i empty the bash_history file, when I open bash_history as you said nvz im seeing some history that its not recent aparentrly |
| 15:13.20 | alexfranci | hello? |
| 15:13.44 | cast | alexfranci: if you don't know how then maybe you shouldn't :) |
| 15:13.44 | cahoot | yeonhoo: ahh - the ancient roots of unix |
| 15:13.57 | nvz | "In the beginning there was nothing, and god said 'let there be light'.. there was still nothing, but you could see it a whole lot better" -- Ellen DeGeneres |
| 15:14.10 | abrotman | alexfranci: please use stable until you're at least vaguely familiar with how debian works |
| 15:14.20 | yeonhoo | cahoot, what do you mean with that? |
| 15:14.37 | cahoot | yeonhoo: sorry - just trying to joke |
| 15:14.39 | nvz | one of my favorite Ellen quotes.. of course "Procrastinate now, or you'll never get around to it" was a lot better |
| 15:14.57 | alexfranci | cast, abrotman. i have used slackware since now. i would like to try debian |
| 15:15.05 | alexfranci | i am a slackman |
| 15:15.06 | abrotman | !d-i alexfranci |
| 15:15.06 | dpkg | alexfranci, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 15:15.33 | cast | alexfranci: thats alright, still use stable. |
| 15:15.50 | yeonhoo | cahoot, do you have answer to my question? i think bash_history file doesnt directrly linked to history -c command |
| 15:15.52 | alexfranci | cast, why? there are old software |
| 15:15.57 | alexfranci | *softwares |
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| 15:16.32 | yeonhoo | because when i did history -c and open bash_history file there was some history that most part of that was not recent |
| 15:16.36 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 15:16.36 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 15:17.01 | alexfranci | ok, i will use testing then :D |
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| 15:17.19 | Garnele | Hallo |
| 15:17.21 | Garnele | Wer da? |
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| 15:17.52 | qmr | uhm |
| 15:17.52 | yeonhoo | Question : one more thing,, how can i test my memory ? like memtest on first setup of linux ? |
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| 15:18.04 | yeonhoo | on console i did memtest but no command |
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| 15:18.09 | xand | yeonhoo: memtest86... it requires a reboot |
| 15:18.25 | yeonhoo | xand, ah i have to install memtest86 first? and execute? |
| 15:18.29 | cahoot | yeonhoo: echo > .bash_history will empty it |
| 15:18.33 | Garnele | Habe ein Prob mit dem Debian 4.0 auf meinem Dell Inspiron 8000, das Bild wird immer "zweigeteil" so dass ich nicht lesen kann |
| 15:18.37 | Garnele | kann wer helfen? |
| 15:18.55 | Garnele | ups, do you understad German? |
| 15:19.06 | xand | !de |
| 15:19.06 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 15:19.07 | cydork | !de |
| 15:19.12 | xand | !memtest86 |
| 15:19.13 | dpkg | memtest is probably http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package |
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| 15:19.21 | ben_goodger | Garnele: some of us may understand it, but we only allow english here - #debian.de for german, please |
| 15:19.31 | Garnele | sorry frogott the.de |
| 15:19.34 | Garnele | thanks anyway |
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| 15:21.00 | yeonhoo | cahoot, hum it said its directory heheh |
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| 15:21.32 | yeonhoo | thankyou xand =D |
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| 15:26.47 | yeonhoo | Where is source file directory ? ... i cant find |
| 15:26.58 | yeonhoo | it was in apt/source.list ..humm |
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| 15:27.18 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:27.34 | abrotman | !tell alexfranci about etch->lenny |
| 15:27.35 | dakoo | anyone know of a good article on debian boot process after the init, I need to know what files calls xorg, gdm and then kde. anyone know of article for debian distro? |
| 15:27.41 | abrotman | alexfranci: and be aware that things will break .. |
| 15:27.48 | yeonhoo | abrotman, thank you =D |
| 15:28.33 | alexfranci | thank you very much abrotman |
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| 15:28.52 | DX00 | hello all |
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| 15:29.55 | abrotman | dakoo: what files? the scripts are in /etc/init.d/ and linked from various run levels .. for instance /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm links to /etc/init.d/gdm |
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| 15:35.26 | xerophyte | /usr/bin/pgp -bash: /usr/bin/pgp: No such file or directory i have the pgp in the /usr/bin/ folder -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 579641 2007-06-22 11:28 /usr/bin/pgp does anybody know why does it complains it can not find it ? |
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| 15:36.31 | keith4_ | what's the 2nd and 3rd "it" in that sentence refer to? |
| 15:36.53 | keith4_ | er, 1st and 2nd |
| 15:36.54 | keith4_ | rather |
| 15:37.11 | XtypeWriter74 | hi, i use debian etch with xfce4 and i cannot execute iwlist, says : command not found, anybody an idea i have wireless-tools |
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| 15:37.46 | cast | XtypeWriter74: dpkg -L wireless-tools, is the location of the binary in your path? |
| 15:38.05 | keith4_ | does `which iwlist` return "/sbin/iwlist"? |
| 15:38.10 | ben_goodger | XtypeWriter74: /sbin/iwlist is what you want |
| 15:38.31 | cast | xerophyte: may i ask, why the hell are you using pgp? |
| 15:38.44 | stew | XtypeWriter74: try it as root |
| 15:38.59 | xerophyte | cast i need it for custom build application which is very old .. |
| 15:39.11 | xerophyte | cast, i wonder what is wrong with it |
| 15:39.43 | stew | xerophyte: use strace to see exactly which file is missing |
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| 15:40.44 | xerophyte | stew, lseek(3, 0, SEEK_CUR) = -1 ESPIPE (Illegal seek) write(3, "strace: exec: No such file or di"..., 40strace: exec: No such file or directory |
| 15:40.45 | XtypeWriter74 | its in /sbin but cannot execute as root either |
| 15:41.08 | XtypeWriter74 | ok, got it |
| 15:41.12 | XtypeWriter74 | thanx yall |
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| 15:52.37 | Xires | I was in the middle of package installation on a remote server when my connection timed out..after logging back in..how can I continue the installation? |
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| 15:53.17 | xand | using apt-get install <somepackages>? if so, type the command again |
| 15:53.22 | xand | and run it in screen |
| 15:54.12 | Xires | actually it was from aptitude..883 MBs of packages to install..was upgrading from Sarge to Etch |
| 15:54.44 | xand | should be the same, and running in screen is a good idea for things like that... you can just re-attach |
| 15:55.14 | Xires | unfortunately the previous admin hadn't installed screen |
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| 16:00.35 | mcgreg | hi |
| 16:00.40 | Nichev1 | hiya |
| 16:01.03 | mcgreg | I have a question. is it normal that a s-ata hdd runs only with udma6 (133) mode, and not with udma7 (150) ? |
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| 16:02.19 | Spyro_boy | Hello. |
| 16:02.35 | cilkay | Hello. I'm installing Etch on a remote server using KVM over IP. Is there a way to tell if the CD that the colo facility put in there is for AMD64? Are there different installers for 32 and 64 bit? |
| 16:02.36 | Spyro_boy | Does anyone know how to safely fallback to an older version of libstdc++? |
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| 16:02.55 | Spyro_boy | I think the last upgrade made my 32bit apps die. |
| 16:03.08 | gordboy | mcgreg, it all depends on the controller. motherboard promise are usually 133, motherboard via are usually 150 |
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| 16:03.39 | cast | cilkay: it is a different, at least with the netinst cds, cd for amd64 and i386 |
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| 16:04.32 | cilkay | cast: Is there a way to tell which version I have? For example, does the 64 bit version have a different splash screen? |
| 16:04.43 | cilkay | ... or some way of identifying it as 64 bit? |
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| 16:05.16 | cast | i do not know, you can switch to a console in the installer, perhaps do that |
| 16:05.39 | cilkay | That's what I've done. I suspect this is 32 bit because I haven't seen any indication to the contrary. |
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| 16:06.15 | mcgreg | gordboy: sata_via 0000:00:0f.0: version 2.2 .. I guess this means, I have a via-s-ata controller.. I think it is one. but it says that max is udma/133 |
| 16:06.53 | cast | cilkay: are all the debs on the cd ending with _amd64.deb? |
| 16:07.10 | cilkay | Don't know. Let me check. |
| 16:07.19 | gordboy | mcgreg, 133 ? 150 ? what's the difference ? :) |
| 16:07.52 | mcgreg | gordboy: well... I dont actually need it.. it is just curiosity. in principle I should have it, so I wonder why I dont :) |
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| 16:08.10 | gordboy | mcgreg, no idea. maybe the drive cannot do 150 |
| 16:08.19 | Enverex | gordboy, 17? |
| 16:08.24 | mcgreg | gordboy: it can, I chercked wth hdparm :) |
| 16:08.33 | gordboy | mcgreg, oh ok |
| 16:08.57 | cilkay | cast: the installer is called install.i386 so that suggest this is the 32 bit installer. |
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| 16:09.57 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 16:10.15 | gordboy | er hello |
| 16:10.29 | gordboy | you may rise |
| 16:10.35 | cast | clif4d: what you could do is install a tiny i386 system then use that to debootstrap a amd64 system |
| 16:11.38 | cast | clif4d: thats if you have to pay money to get the whoever to put the right cd in the drive :) |
| 16:11.51 | Azar | I want the game "Prof Fizzwizzle and the Molten Mistery" is not free, could I just buy and install it? Sarge here |
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| 16:13.03 | MvG | Hi! I got an error message from nss_ldap that seems to be nowhere documented. libsasl2-modules-gssapi-mit seems to be the only GSAPI implementation and based on MIT, though otherwise I'd been using heimdal. Switching from heimdal libs to MIT libs seemed to solve this. I had no package dependency issues before, though. Would you consider this a bug worth reporting? |
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| 16:16.27 | hark | try out the demo first? |
| 16:16.44 | cast | hey sweet...my ssh logins to that box don't lag anymore :) |
| 16:16.46 | Azar | hark: saw the snapshots :) |
| 16:17.15 | Azar | hark: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/06/prof-fizzwizzle-and-molten-mystery.html |
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| 16:20.47 | hark | Azar: yes, there's a demo available if you're unsure :) |
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| 16:22.00 | Azar | cool, I hope the installation goes easy |
| 16:22.03 | orzel | i have /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/Verdana.ttf missing on one debian box. On another one, it is here. although dpkg -S wont tell me where it comes from |
| 16:22.10 | Bolly | hey, can anyone tell me what package freetype-config is in? |
| 16:22.23 | hark | orzel: msttcorefonts |
| 16:22.28 | orzel | so i have two questions 1) which package provides ms font within debian, 2) why dpkg -S wont answer me? |
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| 16:23.20 | cast | orzel: it is, just the answer is nothing |
| 16:23.44 | hark | Bolly: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:24.06 | cast | orzel: if dpkg -S ls doesn't work though, well now that's a problem |
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| 16:24.15 | orzel | cast: although i have probably installed msttcorefonts on this box. i'm 101% sure i never copied those files myself. |
| 16:24.15 | hark | orzel: because it's not installed |
| 16:24.22 | orzel | hark: what do you mean? |
| 16:24.56 | Bolly | thanks cast that'll help for the future |
| 16:24.59 | Bolly | cya later all |
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| 16:25.38 | renewbie | my wireless lan card is not being recognized on laptop running etch, it was working with sarge.. how can I make sure it is recognized by linux? |
| 16:25.39 | cast | hark: 'im in ur chan, stealin ur credit' |
| 16:25.48 | hark | orzel: oh, nm.. it's not part of the package as such |
| 16:26.06 | hark | it gets downloaded, that's why |
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| 16:27.36 | Azar | hark, mmmm shame on me, I have to ask how do I unpack a .tar file? |
| 16:27.47 | Arwen | can I ask a quick question about apt? |
| 16:27.55 | Azar | Arwen: yessss |
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| 16:28.03 | cast | Arwen: rpm questions only! |
| 16:28.13 | Arwen | how do I force apt-get to not attempt to replace packages built by *me*? |
| 16:28.15 | Azar | oh nooo no rpm plz |
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| 16:28.26 | stew | Arwen: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 16:29.01 | Arwen | stew, but can I set a rule that will automagically do this? so that I don't have to add a pin for each package I build? |
| 16:29.34 | hark | Azar: tar xf |
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| 16:29.58 | stew | Arwen: you can if you install all of you packages from your own repository, but if you are isntalling them with dpkg -i, then i think you have to put the packages on hold manuall, but you don't have to add a pin for each pacakge regardless |
| 16:30.01 | junix-other | where is the java dir located on etch? |
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| 16:30.12 | stew | junix-other: /usr/lib |
| 16:30.19 | junix-other | thank you |
| 16:30.23 | stew | junix-other: or wait, what do you mean by 'java dir'? |
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| 16:30.31 | junix-other | i'm trying to install openbravo |
| 16:30.31 | Arwen | stew, thanks, ick... and how can I setup my own repository? |
| 16:30.35 | stew | junix-other: "dpkg -L packagename" should tell you |
| 16:30.39 | stew | Arwen: /msg dpkg repository |
| 16:30.44 | Arwen | might be worth it long as it doesn't involve apache.. |
| 16:30.49 | jair | hello guys, I was working on my debian etch 4.0 debian dhcp3, and what I did is delete all the leases that where there to start recording them from scratch in the lab, I will make reservations for each on this machines on my lab. |
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| 16:31.11 | stew | Arwen: if you had your own repository, you could set a pin for that repository that handles all packages from that repository |
| 16:31.16 | junix-other | stew: this is one of the requirements Java 2 Platform Standard Edition 5.0 or higher |
| 16:31.28 | Xires | what needs to be installed for 32-bit compatibility on a 64-bit installation?? |
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| 16:31.50 | stew | junix-other: what is? |
| 16:31.59 | jair | but the thing is that now I am checking the file: "/var/lib/dhcp3/dhcp-leases and I see the record of the IP requested of each of the machines repeted twice all of them for each of the pcs requesting the ip. |
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| 16:32.09 | jair | it is this normal? |
| 16:32.21 | junix-other | stew: Java 2 Platform Standard Edition is one of the requirements of openbravo |
| 16:32.28 | stew | junix-other: ok |
| 16:32.31 | Majuisak | Anyone using Lenny? |
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| 16:32.51 | Xires | umm..I'm using lenny/sid |
| 16:32.51 | cobra306 | can anybody help me with debian ? |
| 16:32.58 | cobra306 | i've just installed it |
| 16:33.02 | Arwen | Xires, ia32libs... I think (ubuntu user, so not sure) |
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| 16:33.14 | cobra306 | but when i start it a black screen shows and nothing more |
| 16:33.17 | Spyro_boy | I created a package with checkinstall and I got this: http://paste.tonybox.net/125 |
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| 16:33.25 | Majuisak | cobra: what version u using? |
| 16:33.26 | Spyro_boy | Any ideas why it's trying to overwrite ld? |
| 16:33.27 | cobra306 | Xorg starts but nothing appears |
| 16:33.29 | cobra306 | 4.0 |
| 16:33.43 | egon_ | hello there. any1 got shared folders to work of debian within vmware fusion on the mac ? |
| 16:33.44 | Majuisak | Do the keys respond? |
| 16:33.54 | Majuisak | like... does ctrl+alt+del reboot the system? |
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| 16:34.27 | junix-other | stew: so where would dir be? and/or what package do i need to install? |
| 16:34.30 | gratuit | cobra306: do you see any boot messages at all? |
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| 16:34.32 | Spyro_boy | I created a package with checkinstall and I got this: http://paste.tonybox.net/125 Any ideas why it's trying to overwrite ld? |
| 16:34.36 | cobra306 | yes |
| 16:34.55 | gratuit | cobra306: does pressing ctl-alt-F1 get you a terminal? |
| 16:35.01 | renewbie | how can I dianose why my card is not being recognized on laptop? |
| 16:35.02 | cobra306 | it shows all the messages but when it comes to start X it gives black screen |
| 16:35.04 | cobra306 | yes |
| 16:35.19 | cobra306 | so it must be Xorg problem |
| 16:35.29 | Majuisak | im tryin to remember the reconfig command |
| 16:35.30 | Xires | debhelper; mirrors |
| 16:35.38 | Xires | debhelper; mirrors? |
| 16:35.41 | Xires | mirrors? |
| 16:35.47 | cobra306 | i tried to change the resolution on xorg.conf but it didnt do nothin =/ |
| 16:35.49 | Xires | crap |
| 16:35.57 | Xires | dpkg; mirrors? |
| 16:35.57 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 16:36.11 | gratuit | cobra306: what video card are you using? |
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| 16:36.17 | hark | cobra306: what graphics card? tried vesa? |
| 16:36.18 | cobra306 | ATI mobility X700 |
| 16:36.23 | Insolit | anyone here that works with emacs, can explain how to change from one windows to another, when emacs is displaying two windows at the same time? |
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| 16:36.34 | cobra306 | i dont know if its VESA that's workin...but i dont think so |
| 16:36.41 | cobra306 | how can i put it VESA? |
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| 16:37.59 | gratuit | cobra306: not sure, and I'm not familiar with ATI cards unfortunately, but I would check the X log for errors, sometimes it can be helpful |
| 16:38.19 | cobra306 | hum, ok |
| 16:38.20 | Spyro_boy | Hello. |
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| 16:39.09 | hark | cobra306: change the driver to vesa in xorg.conf or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select vesa |
| 16:39.10 | Majuisak | is anyone in here running lenny? |
| 16:39.21 | Ronin | Majuisak: im sure many are |
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| 16:39.45 | dkr | "Denny's, not Lenny's" |
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| 16:41.03 | Majuisak | Ronin: Im just tryin to see how it is. i've head Debian Testing is 'Rock Solid'. Trying to see how true that may be. lol |
| 16:41.14 | hark | cobra306: ah, but the radeon driver supports the card |
| 16:41.24 | cast | anyone know of a backup program that can identify that a files merely been moved or renamed? |
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| 16:41.36 | Ronin | i wouldn't call testing rock solid, it has moments |
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| 16:41.56 | Majuisak | Of course... but heard its decent none-the-less. |
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| 16:42.00 | jair | how do I create an ip/client reservation on debian dhcp3-server :( |
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| 16:42.55 | Majuisak | /ctcp jair version |
| 16:43.00 | Majuisak | hrmmm... |
| 16:43.05 | Majuisak | was just testing shit. :P |
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| 16:44.48 | dion1979 | does anyone know if you can change the color on the workspace_switcher's grid (seperator), thx? |
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| 16:47.06 | cast | dion1979: i presume you are asking about gnome, #gnome is a good place to ask about gnome |
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| 16:48.08 | dion1979 | cast, right question wrong place :) thx |
| 16:48.40 | Enverex | or #kde, they love Gnome questions |
| 16:49.10 | cast | could ask in #ubuntu, you would be doing karmas job for it |
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| 16:52.14 | Xires | Arwen; for future reference..it's ia32-libs on Debian..but tyvm for helpin' me out |
| 16:52.20 | wols_ | abrotman: pong |
| 16:52.30 | Arwen | Xires, you're welcome, and I'll remember that :-) |
| 16:52.35 | wols_ | I took my beauty sleep in the afternoon. I hope it helped |
| 16:52.43 | xand | wols_: we can't see |
| 16:52.45 | xand | :P |
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| 16:52.58 | wols_ | must've been inner beauty then |
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| 16:54.19 | Spyro_boy | Hello. |
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| 16:54.26 | Spyro_boy | I'm running Lenny/Sid and I can't seem to run any 32 bit application. |
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| 16:54.32 | Spyro_boy | Up until a little while ago, almost all 32bit apps would run. |
| 16:54.38 | Spyro_boy | Afaik, the only big things I've done is a dist-upgrade to unstable and general system upgrades. |
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| 16:54.48 | Spyro_boy | Any ideas why this might've happened? |
| 16:54.55 | Spyro_boy | I'm running AMD64 btw. |
| 16:55.07 | xand | what happens when you try? |
| 16:55.22 | Spyro_boy | xand, ./et: line 6: /usr/local/games/enemy-territory/et.x86: cannot execute binary file |
| 16:55.25 | Spyro_boy | Something like that. |
| 16:55.32 | Spyro_boy | Does it to WINE too. |
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| 16:56.58 | flami | Spyro_boy, maybe your x86 libs got deleted during the upgrade . |
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| 16:59.38 | abrotman | wols_: you're so slow! |
| 17:00.00 | jetscreamer | monolithic |
| 17:00.01 | Spyro_boy | 12:56 < flami> Spyro_boy, maybe your x86 libs got deleted during the upgrade . |
| 17:00.13 | Spyro_boy | flami, hrmm.. I installed ia32-libs* |
| 17:00.18 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 17:00.27 | jetscreamer | do you have an ia32 proc? |
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| 17:00.33 | Spyro_boy | jetscreamer, what? |
| 17:00.34 | flami | hum then i dont know , i have a good old x86 |
| 17:00.37 | jetscreamer | do you have an ia32 proc? |
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| 17:00.46 | Spyro_boy | jetscreamer, not sure. |
| 17:00.52 | jetscreamer | you would know |
| 17:00.58 | Spyro_boy | Well, I've gotta go eat. |
| 17:01.00 | jetscreamer | itanium |
| 17:01.05 | Spyro_boy | highlight me if you have anymore ideas. |
| 17:01.12 | Spyro_boy | thanks in advance |
| 17:01.14 | cast | jetscreamer: remember it worked before...he has a x64 |
| 17:01.27 | jetscreamer | x64!=ia32 |
| 17:01.30 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 17:01.43 | cast | well, i mean...x86-64 |
| 17:01.49 | cast | they run 32bit code fine |
| 17:01.54 | jetscreamer | but |
| 17:02.00 | jetscreamer | ia32!=x86 |
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| 17:02.14 | jetscreamer | ia32 is for an itanium proc iirc |
| 17:02.19 | xand | yes |
| 17:02.21 | h3sp4wn | No |
| 17:02.24 | moun | hi everybody, need some help for an etch install, it told me impossible to load some components from the cd, what does it means, please |
| 17:02.26 | cast | what? ia32 is itanium? |
| 17:02.28 | lambda | I have a process which listen on 25 port: |
| 17:02.29 | lambda | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2306/master |
| 17:02.30 | xand | erm |
| 17:02.31 | jetscreamer | oh that's ia64 nm |
| 17:02.31 | h3sp4wn | ia64 is itanium |
| 17:02.33 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Hi, do you know any app that will show the speed of my RAM? |
| 17:02.34 | lambda | What's this ? |
| 17:02.35 | xand | or ia64 is |
| 17:02.44 | h3sp4wn | x_link: No |
| 17:02.45 | stew | cast: no, ia32 the instruction set for i386 |
| 17:02.49 | jetscreamer | wtf is ia32 |
| 17:02.51 | xand | lambda: port 25 is smtp... no idea what "master" is |
| 17:02.54 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:02.55 | cahoot | x_link: modprobe eeprom and run /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl |
| 17:03.19 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Okej |
| 17:03.22 | cast | stew: :) |
| 17:03.42 | x_link | cahoot: hmm should I run "Modprobe eeprom" ? |
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| 17:04.06 | jetscreamer | that's what he said |
| 17:04.12 | jetscreamer | but not M, m |
| 17:04.12 | hark | lambda: postfix |
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| 17:04.37 | lambda | hark, you're right |
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| 17:05.44 | hark | lambda: man 8 master :) |
| 17:06.05 | cast | this is a common enough procedure, how do i rm all the files in a dir but one? |
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| 17:07.22 | pickcoder | master is the postfix daemon |
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| 17:08.59 | pickcoder | review /etc/postfix/master.cf for services that postfix runs |
| 17:09.13 | Azar | I need to remove an entire directory, has lots of files, how do I remove all without doing one by one? |
| 17:09.32 | jetscreamer | rm -R /directory |
| 17:09.41 | Azar | thanks jetscreamer :) |
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| 17:10.21 | junix-other | how do i use the java-package?? |
| 17:10.28 | jetscreamer | cast wanted to del all the files except one... no idea on that one |
| 17:10.40 | jetscreamer | make-jpkg ? |
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| 17:11.18 | junix-other | k |
| 17:11.58 | hark | junix-other: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 17:12.10 | azeem | junix-other: java-package is obsolete |
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| 17:12.25 | azeem | junix-other: sun's java is available as a package in non-free |
| 17:12.29 | hark | unless sarge ;) |
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| 17:12.59 | junix-other | azeem: what is it called in Etch? |
| 17:13.04 | azeem | !java |
| 17:13.04 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 17:13.13 | azeem | !install java |
| 17:13.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk or sun-java6-jdk package from non-free if you're using ... |
| 17:13.25 | pickcoder | shouldn't that say etch/lenny/sid |
| 17:13.26 | azeem | junix-other: sun-java5-jdk, sun-java6-jdk |
| 17:13.30 | jetscreamer | i always get bitched out when i do that to the bot |
| 17:13.39 | azeem | do what? |
| 17:13.43 | jetscreamer | use it |
| 17:13.46 | azeem | eh |
| 17:13.48 | junix-other | azeem: the program i have (OpenBravo) is not seeing it, its looking for the java dir |
| 17:13.58 | hark | jetscreamer: heh, was going to say the same thing ;) |
| 17:14.15 | azeem | jetscreamer: dunno about others, but I complain if people overly use it for off-optic, or for their own use |
| 17:14.21 | pickcoder | timing is everything |
| 17:14.24 | Azar | jetscreamer: I have a game demo and would not start with "run" command, how could I start it? |
| 17:14.24 | azeem | using it help users is... sort of the point |
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| 17:14.54 | jetscreamer | try ./quake or whatever.. make sure it's executable, +x |
| 17:15.28 | Arwen | GOD DAMN IT, REPOSITORIES MAKE NO SENSE |
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| 17:15.49 | jetscreamer | suppositories make more sense? |
| 17:15.55 | azeem | can u has repos? |
| 17:16.19 | Azar | Arwen: if you read documentation about apt it will make sense |
| 17:16.30 | wols_ | abrotman: I'm not slow. I'm a crazy drunkard which dies of some sort of food poisoning but I'm not slow |
| 17:16.33 | Arwen | only, the documentation makes no sense either... |
| 17:16.37 | junix-other | azeem: the program i have (OpenBravo) is not seeing it, its looking for the java dir |
| 17:16.39 | jetscreamer | omg now that's slow |
| 17:16.41 | rocketmagnet | hello everyone, can some pls give me the line i need for sources.list to get the non-free part for my debian etch install |
| 17:16.47 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 17:16.47 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
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| 17:17.18 | jetscreamer | you just add contrib non-free after the word 'main' |
| 17:17.37 | Azar | Arwen: it is simple: the sources on your /apt/sources.list are pointing to the repositories ment for your Debian version (there are three). To find a package on your version type: apt-cache search <package> , if is not there.... well it is not there-not included with your version |
| 17:17.38 | rocketmagnet | at the moment i just have the cds as repositorys |
| 17:17.40 | jetscreamer | it wasn't a multiple factoid need |
| 17:17.55 | Azar | omg omg azeem sez u |
| 17:18.01 | Arwen | Azar, yes... blah blah blah... only I can't figure out the layout to make my own repository work.. |
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| 17:18.17 | Azar | Arwen: layout of your sources.list? |
| 17:18.25 | Arwen | no, of *my repository* |
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| 17:18.42 | Azar | Arwen: you got your own private repository? |
| 17:18.51 | Arwen | no, because *I can't figure it out* |
| 17:19.01 | jetscreamer | rocketmagnet: #deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free #deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 17:19.07 | jetscreamer | sarge is different |
| 17:19.12 | rahul | Arwen: you don't really need any special layout |
| 17:19.20 | jetscreamer | err etch is different |
| 17:19.28 | rahul | drop debs in some dir and apt-ftparchive packages ./ > Packages |
| 17:19.28 | jetscreamer | change the testing as needed |
| 17:19.46 | rocketmagnet | jetscream: thank you |
| 17:19.48 | Azar | Arwen: are you able to view your /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 17:19.58 | Arwen | Azar, .........ok, go away, you're not helpful |
| 17:20.00 | rahul | then add "deb file:/that/dir ./" to your sources.list |
| 17:20.07 | jetscreamer | rocketmagnet: be sure to change testing to etch if you're running stable/etch |
| 17:20.11 | rahul | Azar: you unhelpful person! |
| 17:20.18 | Arwen | rahul, yes, but I want both a sources and a binary section |
| 17:20.41 | jetscreamer | !comfort Azar |
| 17:20.41 | dpkg | There, there, Azar. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:20.56 | rocketmagnet | so etch/update ? |
| 17:21.03 | Azar | :) Azar thanks jetscreamer |
| 17:21.22 | jetscreamer | rocketmagnet: i 'think' so, if not etch/update then stable/update |
| 17:21.28 | jetscreamer | i dont run etch so.... |
| 17:21.35 | rocketmagnet | jetscream: deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free ? |
| 17:21.36 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:21.39 | rocketmagnet | i try it |
| 17:21.49 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
| 17:22.10 | hark | Azar: the demo worked fine here (on sid) fyi |
| 17:22.27 | jetscreamer | rocketmagnet: ^^ example |
| 17:22.29 | rocketmagnet | seems to work |
| 17:22.37 | rahul | Arwen: I've never made a source repo... |
| 17:22.40 | Azar | jetscreamer: I downloaded this game http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/06/prof-fizzwizzle-and-molten-mystery.html untar it, gunzip it... but heck if I can find any executable there to start it, the original website does not tell.. |
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| 17:22.53 | Azar | hark ^^^^ :) |
| 17:23.18 | Azar | hark the run.sh, run.cmd run.<gamename> does not work: no run command here |
| 17:23.19 | rahul | Arwen: all you should need to do is put the files generated by dpkg-buildpackage into a dir, tho |
| 17:23.33 | Arwen | eh.. |
| 17:23.37 | rocketmagnet | jetscream: thx |
| 17:23.40 | Arwen | maybe, I'll try it |
| 17:23.44 | rahul | heh |
| 17:23.47 | hark | Azar: ./run.cmd, but i ran it with env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=objects ./PFMM_backup |
| 17:24.01 | rahul | you didn't even try putting the files somewhere and you say it's not working? |
| 17:24.05 | rahul | wtf |
| 17:24.08 | Azar | hark: yeee going to try it |
| 17:24.21 | rahul | I just did ./run.cmd |
| 17:24.23 | rahul | worked fine |
| 17:24.37 | Azar | rahul: :) will try |
| 17:24.39 | rahul | my system is mostly testing |
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| 17:25.38 | hark | ubuntu? ;p |
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| 17:25.56 | chomsky | hi |
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| 17:26.08 | hermogenes | chomsky: hi |
| 17:26.09 | jetscreamer | it used to be till i changed the sources and fixed all the dependencies |
| 17:26.14 | chomsky | is there someone who uses debian on sparc? |
| 17:26.23 | chomsky | exaile crashes becaus it can't handle m4a |
| 17:26.28 | chomsky | how i can fix? |
| 17:26.31 | chomsky | faad is installled |
| 17:26.38 | CalJohn | abrotman: that directed at mE? |
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| 17:27.21 | Enverex | Wow.... tard |
| 17:27.25 | Bud_Lite | Can anyone tell me if there's any way to stop the system DNS resolver (or whatever's used by SSH, for example) from requesting AAAA records when the ipv6 module is blacklisted? |
| 17:27.26 | jetscreamer | lol that's the only thing in lastlog about CalJohn |
| 17:28.00 | Bud_Lite | Noting that I've rebooted, so my system is incapable of speaking ipv6... |
| 17:28.22 | pickcoder | Bud_Lite: did you blacklist the net-pf-10 too? |
| 17:28.26 | Azar | hark: on ./run.cmd I got : Building... /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Build failed! Executing backup executable... >> then started :) |
| 17:28.42 | junix-other | i need to find the java dir for the program i have (OpenBravo) is not seeing it, can someone help me? |
| 17:29.03 | stew | junix-other: what do you mean by "java dir"? |
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| 17:29.22 | Bud_Lite | pickcoder: No, but even so the ip and ifconfig listings don't show up anything related to ipv6 |
| 17:29.30 | junix-other | stew: i don't know what it is looking for, possibly the place where the jdk resides... |
| 17:29.31 | pickcoder | does ifconfig -a show a sit0? |
| 17:29.47 | stew | junix-other: do you have sun-java5-jdk installed? |
| 17:29.50 | Bud_Lite | pickcoder: No |
| 17:29.52 | junix-other | yes |
| 17:30.12 | wols_ | junix-other: does OpenBravo give you any messages? |
| 17:30.28 | junix-other | says it can't find the java dir |
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| 17:30.42 | wols_ | do you have a env variable for the javadir? |
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| 17:30.46 | pickcoder | Bud_Lite: youre network is ipv4? |
| 17:30.51 | pickcoder | ~your |
| 17:30.52 | apt | i heard your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 17:30.54 | Bud_Lite | pickcoder: Yes. |
| 17:31.02 | stew | junix-other: then it is /usr/lib/jvm/java-xxxx-sun-xxx |
| 17:31.10 | pickcoder | Google around for it |
| 17:31.15 | wols_ | apt: pitnicker |
| 17:31.30 | jetscreamer | ur! |
| 17:31.32 | Bud_Lite | pickcoder: I think the router's being stupid, because it sends back A replies to requests for AAAA records, but that still doesn't solve the problem of the AAAA requests being sent in the first place... |
| 17:31.32 | jetscreamer | mu! |
| 17:31.37 | jetscreamer | mesopotamia! |
| 17:32.05 | amphi | tlön! |
| 17:32.10 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 17:32.16 | pickcoder | Bud_Lite: well there is backwards support for ipv6 and if your router is advertising ipv6 packets then it may be getting confused |
| 17:32.19 | hark | Azar: yeah, nice.. so the full version would probably work fine too |
| 17:32.38 | pickcoder | that's the wildest guess I can muster |
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| 17:33.36 | junix-other | stew: where would ant be? |
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| 17:34.48 | wols_ | wherever you installed it |
| 17:34.49 | nokedo | hi |
| 17:35.07 | wols_ | dpkg -L |
| 17:35.16 | nokedo | why lspci show my modem, but wvmdial cant detect them? |
| 17:35.20 | nokedo | DX00:1e.3 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 03) |
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| 17:35.28 | wols_ | nokedo: winmodem |
| 17:35.32 | wols_ | that's no modem btw |
| 17:35.35 | Bud_Lite | pickcoder: What do you mean by 'backwards support'? My computer is incapable of speaking actual ipv6. It's sending AAAA requests over ipv4...and I can't work out why. |
| 17:35.37 | Azar | thanks hark, jetscreamer.. |
| 17:36.06 | wols_ | nokedo: what did you use to get that lspci output? what lspci options? |
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| 17:36.36 | nokedo | lspci |grep Modem |
| 17:36.40 | Azar | thanks wols_ too :) |
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| 17:37.05 | wols_ | that DX00 looks mighty stange |
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| 17:37.42 | pickcoder | Bud_Lite: I don't know. I was thinking around the ipv4 embedding, which is the best thing I can come up with |
| 17:37.45 | wols_ | Azar: I am saying wt to you now |
| 17:37.52 | Azar | :D |
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| 17:37.59 | wols_ | *wtf even |
| 17:38.13 | Azar | wols_: I was quitely missing my share of wtf today |
| 17:38.18 | junix-other | i can't find where tomcat gets installed too |
| 17:38.19 | DDubya | If I wanted to do a grep on a file, and I want to see the line that contains the grep along with the next two or three lines, how would I do that? |
| 17:38.26 | wols_ | Azar: daily-wtf then |
| 17:38.32 | amphi | junix-other: dpkg -L package_name |
| 17:38.37 | wols_ | junix-other: dpkg -L is a lifesaver |
| 17:38.40 | junix-other | ok |
| 17:38.42 | petemc | DDubya: -A3 , as per the man page |
| 17:38.43 | Azar | :) I could use a "wtf" greeting from dpkg |
| 17:38.53 | DDubya | thanks petemc.. I couldnt find it |
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| 17:39.36 | drwahl_ | i am using VNC from my Mac, and i am trying to connection to my desktop (running debian). everytime VNC connects, krfb crashes. |
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| 17:39.51 | drwahl_ | is this a known issue? or am i doing something wrong? |
| 17:40.01 | stew | junix-other: dpkg -L ant |
| 17:40.12 | petemc | drwahl_: try rfb, see if it crashes |
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| 17:40.30 | junix-other | stew: i'm on tomcat5.5 now, i need to knwo where the binaries are.... |
| 17:40.42 | stew | junix-other: the binaries for what? |
| 17:40.49 | junix-other | apache tomcat |
| 17:40.55 | jetscreamer | drwahl_: btw everytime xorg or the kernel changes/updates, you need to reinstall the nvidia binary |
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| 17:41.08 | stew | junix-other: "dpkg -L packagename | grep bin" |
| 17:41.09 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: thanks for the update@ |
| 17:41.20 | junix-other | k |
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| 17:41.38 | jetscreamer | m-a a-i nvidia 'should' 'just work' though... |
| 17:41.39 | drwahl_ | petemc: i'm not sure how to specify to use rfb. when i connect from my mac, it automatically uses krfb |
| 17:41.50 | Southern | Hi |
| 17:42.10 | drwahl_ | jetscreamer: ya, i used the nvidia installer, and it is working like a charm now. even have 3d accel :) |
| 17:42.15 | geo-rge | Mo |
| 17:42.20 | jetscreamer | se |
| 17:42.31 | geo-rge | Allison? |
| 17:42.41 | petemc | drwahl_: it will use which ever vnc you have listening on 5900, so stop krfb, start rfb |
| 17:42.50 | geo-rge | (btw, good player... vocals -sux-) |
| 17:44.31 | drwahl_ | petemc: tried stopping using /etc/init.d/krfb stop, but that didnt work. is there another way to stop krfb? it seems to be the default |
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| 17:45.07 | rocketmagnet | hi again |
| 17:45.16 | rocketmagnet | does someone know how the gnome art package is called ? |
| 17:45.22 | jetscreamer | gnome-art iirc |
| 17:45.35 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search gnome |grep art |
| 17:45.35 | geo-rge | does someone know how to pick up Teri Hatcher? |
| 17:45.37 | Lin | any bug about cups and debian etch? cause I cannot connect to my https cupsd server. It freezes after http request, even in localhost. I have noticed this using strace and cups tools (as lpstat and lpq) |
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| 17:45.52 | jetscreamer | drive up to her house and call her ans day i'm here get in |
| 17:45.58 | Lin | im not running any firewall. all my iptables policies are ACCEPT |
| 17:45.58 | jetscreamer | and say |
| 17:46.11 | petemc | drwahl_: i dont know how krfb starts, but you start rfb by calling x0rfb-server or some such, and stop it with ^c |
| 17:46.17 | geo-rge | what's her address? :) |
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| 17:46.25 | jetscreamer | call her and find out |
| 17:46.37 | geo-rge | ok ;) |
| 17:46.40 | jetscreamer | i could tell you, but then i'd have to castrate you |
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| 17:47.06 | jetscreamer | better than kill.. maybe... |
| 17:47.09 | petemc | drwahl_: perhaps you have to use some gui to stop krfb, in which case you have a slight problem, you could try sshing to the box and killing the process |
| 17:47.09 | geo-rge | she captured my imagination when she was on Leno... |
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| 17:47.31 | sts | hello folks |
| 17:47.34 | sts | which arguments do i have to supply to dovecot-sieve to build it on debian/etch with dovecot installed? |
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| 17:48.03 | sts | well, actually i need to know the configure switches |
| 17:48.18 | petemc | its not documented? |
| 17:48.22 | petemc | perhaps on the dovecot wiki |
| 17:49.01 | geo-rge | sts: build? you mean build a debian package? if so, and if it |
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| 17:49.18 | sts | petemc: it is ... ./configure --with-dovecot=../dovecot-1.0 ... but i don't have a ../dovecot-1.0 |
| 17:49.37 | sts | geo-rge: no, i just want to compile it |
| 17:49.46 | petemc | the wikie doesnt go on to explain how to do it on debian? |
| 17:49.50 | sts | geo-rge: i don't want to start building a dep. |
| 17:49.55 | geo-rge | then I don't understand what you want (you said build) |
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| 17:50.01 | petemc | i would guess you have to adjust the path to where debian puts things |
| 17:50.21 | petemc | geo-rge: if you dont understand, then perhaps you're not best positioned to help |
| 17:50.26 | sts | geo-rge: i need to compile and first configure it.. |
| 17:50.46 | drwahl_ | petemc: i have access to the box, i'm actually typing to you on it :) but i'm working on setting up remote access (aside from ssh) |
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| 17:50.52 | jetscreamer | come to think of it, why is the paravirt_ops, which is marked EXPERIMENTAL, enabled in a stock debian kernel |
| 17:50.53 | geo-rge | you don't seem sure about that... attitudes such as that divide the community |
| 17:51.13 | dondelelcaro | sts: it's most likely looking for the source directory for dovecot, since AFAIK, dovecot doesn't have any publicly accessible interfaces. |
| 17:51.14 | geo-rge | puts up fake barriers to entry, and such |
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| 17:51.53 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: there are quite a few things that are experimental that are enabled actually; generally the idea is that if it doesn't seriously affect anything else, it should probably be enabled. |
| 17:52.03 | dondelelcaro | esp. in teh case of modules. |
| 17:52.03 | geo-rge | when in fact you're not totally sure what I can do and/or how I can help or even whether I'm trying to help or just trying to see what he's trying to do |
| 17:52.21 | jetscreamer | note that affecting nvidia doesn't count :) |
| 17:52.30 | drwahl_ | when krfb crashes, it crashed giving a SIGABRT error |
| 17:52.32 | geo-rge | in short... you're -wayy- ahead of yourself :) |
| 17:53.41 | tvynr | Is this the right place to ask about packaging standards and legality things? I'm interested in creating and maintaining a package for Folding@Home. I understand that there hasn't been a Debian package by this point because of the license agreement; Folding@Home is closed-source to protect the validity of the results. But I'm thinking that it could be done in the same way that the flashplugin-nonfree package is handled. |
| 17:54.10 | sts | dondelelcaro, geo-rge, petemc i got it working ... i just downloaded the source package of dovecot and run dpkg-buildpackage to actually configure and build the package. afterwards dovecot-sieve found what it needed to configure itself. |
| 17:54.24 | dondelelcaro | sts: yeah, that's what I figured. |
| 17:54.34 | afie | Hey Debian guys/girls, where would I find the source code for the emul-linux packages? |
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| 17:54.51 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 17:54.54 | wols_ | afie: smae place you got the emul-linux binary |
| 17:54.58 | QliXed | hi people... |
| 17:55.17 | geo-rge | tvynr: I would first think about whether you'd like to support their closedness |
| 17:55.36 | jetscreamer | there is a seti package... i thought i saw an F@h package but guess not |
| 17:55.38 | afie | wols_, In that case one of the Gentoo devs are violating the GPL. :-P |
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| 17:55.53 | afie | wols_, which they are. But a uh, yeah I need it if you could point me to it I'd love that. |
| 17:56.02 | geo-rge | sts: that's kinda where I was leading before petemc decided to challenge my intent :) |
| 17:56.11 | sts | hehe |
| 17:56.18 | wols_ | afie: does this look like #gentoo? |
| 17:56.34 | tvynr | geo-rge, jetscreamer: F@H has probably the best reason to close source that I've seen: they want to make sure no one falsifies results. There's a KDE applet for Folding@Home, but it requires that you obtain the Folding@Home binary separately. I'd like a way to just sudo apt-get something and having my spare cycles go to protein folding research. |
| 17:56.48 | sts | ok, to build a dep, is there any quick hack i could use without reading many of the debian devel docs? |
| 17:56.54 | QliXed | Someone knows a good guide for make my first .deb package? |
| 17:56.55 | ExtremeDV_ | problem solved with vesa! a little pacience and everything goes well ;)...now i've installed FGRLX drivers and everythin is working fine...Wine's next...and beryl's after ;)...thnks everybody...DEBIAN RULES! =P |
| 17:56.59 | afie | wols_, If this channel is useless than it probably does. |
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| 17:57.05 | tvynr | QliXed: Google "Debian New Maintainer Guide" |
| 17:57.19 | sts | s/dep/deb/ |
| 17:57.21 | QliXed | It's really new? :) |
| 17:57.21 | dondelelcaro | sts: there's no quick hack to build correct debs, but the nm guide has a tutorial using dh_make which is fairly quick. |
| 17:57.25 | tvynr | QliXed: 's what I wound up using. :) |
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| 17:57.35 | tvynr | QliXed: It's for new maintainers. ;) |
| 17:57.38 | Absolute0 | debian is now i686?! |
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| 17:57.46 | wols_ | Absolute0: no? |
| 17:57.49 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 17:57.49 | dondelelcaro | Absolute0: some bits have been i686 for quite some time. |
| 17:57.50 | Absolute0 | lol |
| 17:57.53 | wols_ | Absolute0: what makes you says that? |
| 17:57.56 | sts | do you think i could upload that package to the official repositories as well? |
| 17:58.07 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: but optional bits only no? |
| 17:58.07 | jetscreamer | i686 doesn't mean what you think it means in that context |
| 17:58.10 | dondelelcaro | sts: if you do a good job and get a sponsor, sure. |
| 17:58.11 | Absolute0 | kde control center reports: Machine: i686 |
| 17:58.15 | geo-rge | sts: well, there's a thing that builds up a whole debian including compilers but nothing besides what is needed to build a particular thing... then it runs that debian (it's a "chroot"), which builds the thing you asked it to build and then copies the .deb out of the chroot |
| 17:58.18 | jetscreamer | it refers to intel archtype only |
| 17:58.20 | dondelelcaro | wols_: yerp |
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| 17:58.30 | Absolute0 | oh ok |
| 17:58.31 | jetscreamer | -686 in a kernel is for an intel proc though |
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| 17:58.34 | QliXed | tvynr: ok thanks |
| 17:58.36 | Absolute0 | well they should optimize debian |
| 17:58.37 | wols_ | AngusRF: you have an intel machine. so it's of course i686.always has been |
| 17:58.41 | jetscreamer | it's kinda mixed up/confusing |
| 17:58.44 | pinkfloydhomer | yo |
| 17:58.48 | Absolute0 | thats probably the only advantage of archlinux over debian |
| 17:58.51 | wols_ | !gentoosmite Absolute0 |
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| 17:59.01 | geo-rge | it's kinda nice, it's a chroot of a debian that is streamlined and customized to -only- build -that- package |
| 17:59.09 | drwahl_ | how do i display what version of kde i am running? |
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| 17:59.29 | Absolute0 | wols_: archlinux performs much quicker than debian on my machine.. |
| 17:59.35 | Absolute0 | at least it used to be that way |
| 17:59.37 | vulture | Any factoid/reference details on this NVidia failure? (using non-GNU symbols or whatever it is) |
| 17:59.38 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l kdesomething i think |
| 17:59.38 | dpkg | No packages found matching kdesomething i think |
| 17:59.39 | geo-rge | dpkg -s kde | grep ^Version: |
| 17:59.39 | dpkg | You Fool! kde | grep ^Version: is installed! |
| 17:59.41 | Absolute0 | now they are pretty close in speed |
| 17:59.46 | geo-rge | is one way :) |
| 17:59.51 | jetscreamer | vulture: paravirt_ops probably |
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| 18:00.14 | Spyro_boy | Hello. |
| 18:00.30 | wols_ | Absolute0: then use archlinux if you want. fine by us |
| 18:00.39 | Absolute0 | lol |
| 18:00.41 | pinkfloydhomer | Question: I might be an idiot, but I can't seem to get date and time to work properly on Debian. I insist on having my hardware clock set to local (copenhagen) time. But for some reason, "date" shows a time two hours into the future no matter what I do. Help! |
| 18:00.45 | jetscreamer | vulture: i just recompile the kernel use the debian stock config but disable it |
| 18:00.47 | Absolute0 | i like apt-get and debians stability... |
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| 18:00.59 | Absolute0 | its just a speed issue |
| 18:01.03 | tvynr | So... anyone have any thoughts about setting up a package like that? Should I just go to it? |
| 18:01.06 | Absolute0 | i got 700 mhz |
| 18:01.16 | ustunozgur | !ntp |
| 18:01.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 18:01.36 | jetscreamer | tzconfig is deprecated in sid |
| 18:01.38 | jetscreamer | btw |
| 18:01.50 | geo-rge | Absolute0: well maybe... see, some software just doesn't matter how it's built... others do, and debian will build specific packages for specific arches where that's -necessary- |
| 18:01.51 | jetscreamer | no not deprecated |
| 18:01.54 | jetscreamer | removed |
| 18:02.36 | Absolute0 | i see |
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| 18:02.40 | jetscreamer | that's why you see all those package-common packages.... common to all arches |
| 18:02.41 | vulture | jetscreamer: So basically nvidia kernels won't build on stock debian kernels right now? |
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| 18:03.10 | vulture | jetscreamer: First time I've had a need to build my own debian kernel then.. (or I could just use my old kernel and nvidia package.. choices choices) |
| 18:03.10 | Spyro_boy | Okay, so I'll pose my question again: I have an Athlon 64 4600+ X2 and I run Debian AMD64 Lenny/Sid. I was able to run 32 bit applications up until a while ago but I can't seem to anymore. The only big system changes I've had were a dist-upgrade from testing to unstable and a few general system upgrades. When I do run them I get an error similar to: ./et: line 6: /usr/local/games/enemy-territory/et.x86: cannot execute binary file |
| 18:03.12 | jetscreamer | vulture: the nvidia binary .run doesn't in my experience... m-a a-i nvidia works for me usually |
| 18:03.17 | Spyro_boy | Does anyone have any idea why that is so? |
| 18:03.36 | vulture | jetscreamer: Yeah, they usually work for me, until I rebooted into my new kernel yesterday & tried to use them |
| 18:03.36 | Spyro_boy | Any guides, tutorials or written solutions I can look at? |
| 18:04.04 | vulture | "FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops'" |
| 18:04.05 | wols_ | Spyro_boy: either linker or missing shared lib I think |
| 18:04.16 | jetscreamer | like i said.. paravirt_ops |
| 18:04.29 | hark | pinkfloydhomer: set UTC to no in /etc/default/rcS if it isn't |
| 18:04.33 | jetscreamer | it's a 'feature' not a bug |
| 18:04.35 | Spyro_boy | wols_, like what? |
| 18:04.55 | Enverex | I'm using the latest nVidia drivers and the latest ATi drivers on the latest Sid kernel |
| 18:04.55 | Spyro_boy | wols_, I really have no idea and I googled to only find chroot solutions. |
| 18:04.57 | Enverex | Both work fine |
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| 18:05.01 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: Its a bug |
| 18:05.03 | vulture | jetscreamer: Right - but feature or bug, it does mean nvidia kernel building is broken on debian stock kernels from now on? (until Nvidia fix it) |
| 18:05.03 | jetscreamer | i did see something about them making paravirt_ops non-gplOnly, but no idea |
| 18:05.18 | dvs01 | Please allow 24-48 hours for your same-day shipping tracking information to be available on our system. |
| 18:05.19 | wols_ | Spyro_boy: you usually need chroot solutions to run ffox32 in amd64 |
| 18:05.51 | Spyro_boy | wols_, well, I'm running Iceweasel with nspluginwrapper, but my games don't either as well as WINE. |
| 18:05.52 | jetscreamer | vulture: i just compiled a kernel, like i said, last night to get the nvidia binary installer to work because of the sid nvidia version mismatch between the kernel and glx |
| 18:05.55 | pinkfloydhomer | hark it wasn't, thanks. But shouldn't the installer have done this? |
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| 18:06.10 | vulture | well, either nvidia don't use the call, or they non-gplify the call. If I build a custom kernel, I can specify something about paravirt_ops to make it work? |
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| 18:06.16 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: You can use a statically linked version without a chroot (i.e binaries from mozilla.com) with ia32-libs (no chroot) |
| 18:06.24 | jetscreamer | just hit N |
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| 18:06.30 | Spyro_boy | h3sp4wn, I'm not talking about Iceweasel. |
| 18:06.36 | Spyro_boy | I can't play games either. |
| 18:06.36 | wols_ | Spyro_boy: any 32bit app needs a chroot basically |
| 18:06.43 | Spyro_boy | wols_, not previously. |
| 18:06.46 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: Neither am I |
| 18:06.47 | Spyro_boy | wols_, it was working. |
| 18:06.50 | hark | pinkfloydhomer: it should have, if you selected the hardware clock as not UTC option, afaik |
| 18:06.57 | Spyro_boy | h3sp4wn, ah. |
| 18:07.12 | Spyro_boy | h3sp4wn, I have ia32-libs installed. |
| 18:07.14 | wols_ | Spyro_boy: then do what you did to make it work back then |
| 18:07.20 | jetscreamer | vulture: it's like around the 3rd line down in the main menuconfig screen or so |
| 18:07.25 | vulture | jetscreamer: Was that ("hit N") to me - I just disable paravirt_ops entirely? |
| 18:07.29 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 18:07.32 | Spyro_boy | wols_, all I did was install ia32-libs* |
| 18:07.39 | jetscreamer | lets check |
| 18:07.39 | Spyro_boy | wols_, I have those installed though. |
| 18:07.41 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: Get the statically linked tar.gz from mozilla.com and untar it to /opt and it will work |
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| 18:07.54 | wols_ | Spyro_boy: then have you checked BTS? |
| 18:07.54 | Spyro_boy | h3sp4wn, I don't need firefox. |
| 18:07.58 | Spyro_boy | BTS? |
| 18:08.00 | vulture | Ok, I'll have a look into it.. might need to do a bit of background reading on building debian linux kernels in general (I hear it's simple, but haven't done it before) |
| 18:08.11 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: it# snot his browser. it's his closed source games and crap |
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| 18:08.25 | Spyro_boy | Well, TC:E |
| 18:08.37 | Spyro_boy | wols_, WINE doesn't work either. |
| 18:08.44 | jetscreamer | [ ] Paravirtualization support (EXPERIMENTAL) under Processor type and features ---> |
| 18:08.44 | geo-rge | do you listen to Spyro Gyra? |
| 18:08.53 | jetscreamer | 5th down |
| 18:09.02 | wols_ | Spyro_boy: wine is just a crutch to run closed source crap |
| 18:09.14 | Spyro_boy | wols_, indeed. |
| 18:09.14 | vulture | jetscreamer: Alrighty - so all the other defaults would give me something like the linux-image packages I get straight from Debian? |
| 18:09.14 | wols_ | !btssmite |
| 18:09.18 | hark | i thought the paravirt thing was fixed now |
| 18:09.19 | wols_ | !btssmite Spyro_boy |
| 18:09.20 | Spyro_boy | But it worked. |
| 18:09.36 | Absolute0 | can i check which pkg's are installed including a certain string? |
| 18:09.40 | Spyro_boy | wols_, so you don't recommend unstable? |
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| 18:09.46 | Absolute0 | for example every pkg with nvidia in it... |
| 18:09.47 | DimGR | hi |
| 18:09.53 | geo-rge | vulture: well, which you can get from /boot too |
| 18:09.53 | jetscreamer | vulture: if you've never created a .config (as in make menuconfig) it will use your running kernel's config as a default |
| 18:09.56 | jetscreamer | so yes |
| 18:10.04 | wols_ | Spyro_boy: not for you, certainly no |
| 18:10.06 | h3sp4wn | hark: Its definately fixed in 2.6.22 (but 2.6.22-rc5 also breaks something else with the driver) |
| 18:10.10 | geo-rge | how does it do that? |
| 18:10.11 | Spyro_boy | wols_, ah. |
| 18:10.18 | DimGR | i think dpkg got messed up while i was trying to isntall some libs.... see for your self... how do i fix it? http://rafb.net/p/0xhUIP12.html |
| 18:10.24 | vulture | jetscreamer: Ok, sounds good. Thanks for the advice |
| 18:10.34 | Spyro_boy | wols_, I guess I'll dist-upgrade back to testing and try it again. It surely was working then. |
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| 18:11.03 | DimGR | anyone can help ? |
| 18:11.18 | jetscreamer | vulture: or apparently, you can just wait for 2.6.22 :) |
| 18:11.38 | vulture | Where it'll be disabled by default? |
| 18:11.47 | jetscreamer | or non-gplOnly'd |
| 18:12.18 | vulture | Alrighty |
| 18:12.22 | jetscreamer | gah time to get ready for work :/ |
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| 18:12.55 | jetscreamer | vulture: that would probably be a while btw |
| 18:12.58 | wols_ | DimGR: are you dist-upgrading to lenny or sid? |
| 18:13.17 | DimGR | it is a fresh install of etch |
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| 18:13.23 | DimGR | wols_: |
| 18:13.46 | jetscreamer | it won't know the ia32 isn't supposed to be there i bet, if that is actually the problem |
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| 18:13.59 | jetscreamer | fuggit |
| 18:14.08 | Spyro_boy | wols_, just one more thing: http://paste.tonybox.net/126 That's what happens when I change my sources.list to testing, update and dist-upgrade. Is it really worth it? |
| 18:14.15 | wols_ | DimGR: you were messing with lenny or sid. why? |
| 18:14.23 | Spyro_boy | Oh-well, I guess it's worth a try. |
| 18:14.26 | DimGR | cause i needed 1 lib from sid |
| 18:14.32 | DimGR | is it fixable wols_? |
| 18:15.11 | wols_ | Spyro_boy: you are running sid right now? you cannot downgrade. and fromt he looks of it you sid upgrade was fscked up. wth do you use apt-get anyways? |
| 18:15.35 | stew | DimGR: you should not install unstable packages onto stable, use a backport instead: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:15.36 | wols_ | Spyro_boy: your sid upgrade did not complete I think |
| 18:15.43 | Spyro_boy | wols_, eh.. |
| 18:15.46 | stew | DimGR: what version of libc6 do you have installed now? |
| 18:15.50 | Spyro_boy | It should've been... |
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| 18:15.56 | DimGR | stew: dont know |
| 18:16.06 | stew | DimGR: dpkg -s libc6 |
| 18:16.09 | DimGR | stew: problem is apt-get does not work |
| 18:16.16 | Spyro_boy | When I finish this I'll switch back to unstable and try another dist-upgrade. |
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| 18:16.25 | wols_ | DimGR: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 18:16.43 | DimGR | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.43 | dpkg | ii libc6 | tail -1 2.9-1 dimgr's private stamp collection |
| 18:16.43 | DimGR | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 18:17.03 | Spyro_boy | wols_, what should I be using instead of apt-get? Aptitude? |
| 18:17.06 | wols_ | so you still run etch. good |
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| 18:17.11 | wols_ | Spyro_boy: yes |
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| 18:17.15 | Spyro_boy | Hrmm.. |
| 18:17.17 | Spyro_boy | Okay. |
| 18:17.31 | stew | DimGR: edit sources.list, change anything that says "sid" or "unstable" or "testing" or "lenny" to "etch", then apt-get update |
| 18:17.37 | DimGR | but apt-get is messed up , wont work , wont accept apt-get -f install either etc etc |
| 18:17.38 | Spyro_boy | Score is -1279 |
| 18:17.45 | DimGR | stew: i dont have sid in my sources |
| 18:17.46 | Spyro_boy | Crap. Aptitude scrored me badly. :/ |
| 18:17.51 | Spyro_boy | Whatever that means. |
| 18:18.05 | stew | DimGR: what library did you install from sid? |
| 18:18.13 | stew | DimGR: you'll have to replace it with an etch version |
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| 18:18.28 | DimGR | already tried to replace with etch versions ... same problems |
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| 18:18.45 | DimGR | libcurl-openssl-dev and its dependancies |
| 18:18.48 | Spyro_boy | Hrmm.. |
| 18:18.59 | stew | DimGR: show us the output of " apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 " for all the packages involved, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:19.01 | Spyro_boy | dpkg, why aptitude versus apt-get |
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| 18:19.05 | wols_ | DimGR: look in /var/log/dpkg.log to check what |
| 18:19.12 | Spyro_boy | How do I use the bot again? |
| 18:19.16 | wols_ | !tell Spyro_boy about aptittude |
| 18:19.18 | stew | Spyro_boy: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 18:19.21 | wols_ | !tell Spyro_boy about aptitude |
| 18:19.23 | Spyro_boy | Thanks. |
| 18:19.32 | DimGR | wols_: half installed |
| 18:19.42 | Absolute0 | where are pkgs saved? |
| 18:19.43 | DimGR | many libs that depend on libcurl* |
| 18:20.15 | stew | DimGR: show us the output of " apt-cache policy libcurl-openssl-dev libcurl3-dbg libcurl4-openssl " ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:20.17 | wols_ | Absolute0: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 18:20.41 | chomsky | http://www.flickr.com/photos/chomsky/591464444/ |
| 18:20.47 | Spyro_boy | The only reason I don't like aptitude so much is that it removes packages it thinks I don't need. |
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| 18:21.10 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: just use unmarkauto / markauto |
| 18:21.11 | Spyro_boy | But if it can make my system better. So be it. |
| 18:21.15 | Absolute0 | wols_: thanks man apt-get also says that :-P |
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| 18:21.24 | stew | Spyro_boy: you can turn that feature off if you want |
| 18:21.27 | Spyro_boy | h3sp4wn, hmm? I'll just man it I guess. |
| 18:21.37 | DimGR | http://rafb.net/p/NgUfpD60.html stew |
| 18:22.23 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: No take a look at the reference guide |
| 18:22.28 | stew | DimGR: so libcurl4-openssl is installed, or half-installed, but it is not present in etch. you should remove it, or replace it with a backported version |
| 18:23.00 | DimGR | but i cant use apt-get to replace or remove anything |
| 18:23.06 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ (search patterns are nice and powerful) |
| 18:23.08 | stew | DimGR: then use dpkg |
| 18:23.14 | Spyro_boy | yeah |
| 18:23.19 | Spyro_boy | I know about search patterns. |
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| 18:23.43 | Spyro_boy | Thanks, I found another page but that one looks better. |
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| 18:24.04 | stew | DimGR: or show me the output of "apt-get remove libcurl4-openssl" |
| 18:24.17 | DimGR | just purged that via dpkg |
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| 18:24.19 | stew | DimGR: however, it is recommended that you use aptitude instead of apt-get, as it is better at handling these situations |
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| 18:24.29 | DimGR | ill show you more nasty stuff though now;) |
| 18:25.17 | DimGR | http://rafb.net/p/ebytlw73.html |
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| 18:25.31 | jair | anyone here have experience working with the dhcp3-server on debian 4.0 - I am creating the reservations in a computer lab, but I was wondering if I most create the "host debian_pc1" line or I can just put the: hardware ethernet 00:50:AB:AB:AB:AB; and fixed-address 192.168.1.7; only? |
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| 18:26.04 | pinkfloydhomer | Not strictly a Debian question, but I don't know where to ask: when I use getch() in curses, i can detect d, D, ctrl-d but not alt-d. It just shows up as d. Is this due to the specific terminal I use (xterm, linux console, cygwin, all behave the same), due to curses, or...? Isn't there anyway in a "console"/text mode application that should run in both xterm, cygwin term, linux console etc., to get a more detailed control? I would lik |
| 18:26.04 | pinkfloydhomer | e getch() to give me the all the information available. Say, "d was pressed, so was left alt and right ctrl" or whatever |
| 18:26.08 | jair | if i make a second entry with the same hostname then the dhcp3-server give me an error. duplicate hostname |
| 18:26.33 | stew | DimGR: libcurl4-openssl-dev needs to be removed. libkrb53 is the unstable version, it needs to be downgraded |
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| 18:27.02 | jair | the issue is that I am imaging mostly windows clients on this lab, and I am using ghost, so symantec ghost will copy the same OS anmd settign including then hostname |
| 18:27.12 | stew | DimGR: libssl0.9.8 is the sid version, it needs to be downgraded, zlib1g-dev needs to be downgraded |
| 18:27.14 | maek | what does the c mean next to a package in aptitude search? |
| 18:27.25 | DimGR | http://rafb.net/p/EX3jXZ32.html stew |
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| 18:27.28 | stew | maek: only conf files remain |
| 18:27.36 | DimGR | libssl098 wont let me remove it |
| 18:27.37 | stew | maek: (it has been removed but not pruged) |
| 18:27.42 | maek | stew: how come it wont let me re isntall it? |
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| 18:27.47 | maek | stew: do I need to purge first? |
| 18:27.53 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
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| 18:28.03 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 18:28.45 | stew | maek: what won't let you install what? |
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| 18:29.00 | stew | DimGR: yes, i woudlnt' recommend removing libssl, you'll need it |
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| 18:29.10 | stew | maek: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:29.15 | pmcnabb | Does anyone know a good way of hosting multiple distribution repos on a debian box? |
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| 18:30.08 | DimGR | http://rafb.net/p/XHNfu799.html stew |
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| 18:30.36 | stew | DimGR: you need to downgrade it to a sarge version |
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| 18:30.43 | DimGR | ok |
| 18:30.50 | DimGR | ill get the deb manually |
| 18:30.59 | stew | DimGR: "apt-get install pacakge=version" |
| 18:31.07 | DimGR | cant use apt-get |
| 18:31.12 | stew | DimGR: why not? |
| 18:31.35 | DimGR | cause it gives the above error |
| 18:31.40 | DimGR | the one i posted |
| 18:31.49 | stew | DimGR: yes, but that command is not hte one I'm telling you to run |
| 18:32.08 | geo-rge | pmcnabb: well it's pretty simple... first you need LOTS of hd space (and presumably lots of bandwidth going both in and out) |
| 18:32.08 | ale666 | hello |
| 18:32.22 | pmcnabb | geo-rge: check |
| 18:32.40 | geo-rge | then each dist could be in its own dir, served by perhaps a web server |
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| 18:33.02 | Jester| | hello |
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| 18:33.15 | wols_ | pmcnabb: then you set up a webservr and a ftp server pointing to the same directories |
| 18:33.16 | geo-rge | the machine itself wouldn't be the bottleneck, this is network- and disk- bound |
| 18:33.19 | pmcnabb | geo-rge: i'm thinking more along the lines of synchronizing.. i think most distros have their own repository management tools, but how do i manage it all on *debian*? |
| 18:33.30 | DimGR | stew: same errors |
| 18:33.32 | Jester| | What driver should I use for my graphic card (SiS650 VxD AGP) if im going to use Linux? |
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| 18:33.37 | stew | DimGR: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:33.38 | geo-rge | well that part I dunno. |
| 18:33.43 | DimGR | k |
| 18:33.45 | maek | stew: http://pastebin.ca/584349 |
| 18:33.49 | wols_ | so people can use http and ftp to download from the repos. then you install mirroring software for the distros and tell the distros about a new mirror |
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| 18:34.00 | geo-rge | that sounds very much like a custom programming job if you -really- want to do that |
| 18:34.06 | pmcnabb | wols_: which "mirroring software"? |
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| 18:34.16 | stew | maek: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 18:34.39 | DimGR | http://rafb.net/p/7HuSBE30.html stew: |
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| 18:34.57 | Jester| | Could anyone give me a hand with my graphic card driver for linux? |
| 18:35.04 | geo-rge | I would try to find if there is a common mirroring software to all the dists you want to mirror... but I'm guessing that each will require its own arrangement with each upstream mirror |
| 18:35.16 | maek | stew: sorry, to waste your time, ive been trying in there for a while now. and you #debian people know apt so well. thanks. |
| 18:35.26 | stew | DimGR: libssl0.9.8 still needs to be downgraded |
| 18:35.40 | geo-rge | the one good thing is you only need one of the many possible arrangements per dist |
| 18:35.40 | stew | DimGR: what command did you use to downgrade libssl0.9.8 ? |
| 18:36.15 | geo-rge | my hands don't come with graphic card drivers! |
| 18:36.26 | DimGR | stew: i got the deb from debian.org page;) |
| 18:36.31 | DimGR | the stable version |
| 18:36.34 | pmcnabb | geo-rge: ok, i'll keep on searching.. thanks |
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| 18:37.13 | stew | 13:35 < stew> DimGR: what command did you use to downgrade libssl0.9.8 ? |
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| 18:37.25 | DimGR | i downloaded it manually |
| 18:37.31 | DimGR | system is fixed now finally |
| 18:37.33 | geo-rge | pmcnabb: what will probably be most worth your time at least initially, is contact each mirror admin person and see what the possibilities are for each |
| 18:38.11 | Jester| | What driver should I use for my graphic card (SiS650 VxD AGP)? |
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| 18:40.56 | wols_ | Jester|: sis |
| 18:40.58 | wols_ | Jester|: good luck |
| 18:41.47 | geo-rge | pmcnabb: if, for example, each can use rsync, you might be able to manage that with one thing, but it's still going to be a custom solution (as the config file you will use for each mirror will need to be customized to a degree... usually each admin will have a boilerplate config file you can edit) |
| 18:41.57 | Jester| | wols_: thank you |
| 18:42.07 | pmcnabb | geo-rge: ok, thanks for the tips |
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| 18:42.44 | geo-rge | come back when you have it all working and tell us how you did it.... it might actually be worth packaging if it |
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| 18:42.50 | geo-rge | is general enough |
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| 18:43.26 | Nemphilis | #debian-br |
| 18:43.35 | Nemphilis | sorry |
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| 18:44.21 | wols_ | Jester|: what debian are you running? |
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| 18:47.01 | Jester| | Wols_: Im runing on windows now and I want to move to linux |
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| 18:47.31 | geo-rge | is debian something you' |
| 18:47.32 | stew | Jester|: you'd use "sis" |
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| 18:47.40 | geo-rge | are considering now? |
| 18:47.54 | Jester| | Ahm.. |
| 18:48.36 | Jester| | Thank you |
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| 18:49.04 | geo-rge | is debian something you are considering now? |
| 18:49.21 | Jester| | stew: How do I get Linux? |
| 18:49.38 | jair | on this example of configuration for the dhcp reservation can i remove the line "host xp-base"? |
| 18:49.44 | jair | http://rafb.net/p/oNMcKE49.html |
| 18:49.45 | geo-rge | Jester|: we can tell you how to get debian, which uses linux |
| 18:49.47 | wols_ | !tell Jester| about d-i |
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| 18:50.25 | stew | Jester|: goto debian.org and click on 'getting debian', or try the newer http://get.debian.net |
| 18:50.33 | keith4_ | jair: if you remove that line, you need to remove everyhing in the { } block too |
| 18:50.51 | keith4_ | that entry is defining a 'static' IP for that mac address |
| 18:50.53 | Jester| | stew: Thank you |
| 18:51.00 | jair | hey thanks keith4_ how are you, can i explain what I am trying to accomplish? |
| 18:51.08 | keith4_ | of course |
| 18:51.10 | keith4_ | explain away |
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| 18:51.53 | jair | keith4_: I am trying to do a reservation, even when the machine will be getting the IP from the dhcp "dhcp3-server" it will always get that IP address I assigned. |
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| 18:52.09 | keith4_ | jair: okay. what's the problem? |
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| 18:52.35 | jair | keith4_: I have a lab with about 30 windows machine that sometimes are 30 Debian machines or rhel machines or sles or solaris 10 machines |
| 18:53.02 | jair | because I use ghost to image them, ghost does not change the hostname of the machines automatically |
| 18:53.02 | keith4_ | oh fun |
| 18:53.09 | keith4_ | doesn't need to |
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| 18:53.22 | jair | keith4_: all the machines will be called the same :( example "sp-base |
| 18:53.26 | jair | xp-base |
| 18:53.30 | keith4_ | well... |
| 18:53.39 | jair | does not need to? |
| 18:53.40 | keith4_ | windows doesn't get host names from DHCP |
| 18:53.41 | Jester| | stew: afer downloading debian, and I install it.. Will it ask me for a key? |
| 18:53.43 | keith4_ | but linux can |
| 18:53.58 | stew | Jester|: a key? for what? |
| 18:54.02 | jair | can we see the two csenarios keith4_ ? |
| 18:54.04 | keith4_ | and i think solaris can too |
| 18:54.08 | wols_ | jair: let the dhcp server assign based on MAC |
| 18:54.25 | Jester| | stew: I don't know that much about this. But windows requieres a key after installing it |
| 18:54.25 | jair | wols_: right that is what I am trying to accomplish |
| 18:54.39 | jair | wols_: so then how will be this line: http://rafb.net/p/oNMcKE49.html |
| 18:54.39 | wols_ | jair: how is that hard. just config use dhcp server |
| 18:54.43 | stew | Jester|: no, there is no need for a key, debian is 100% free: http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 18:54.44 | keith4_ | jair: that config snippet just has one host defined |
| 18:54.55 | Jester| | stew: thank you |
| 18:55.00 | wols_ | jair: use dnsmasq |
| 18:55.01 | keith4_ | jair: you're going to need 30 host entries in dhcpd.conf |
| 18:55.02 | stew | Jester|: windows use of a key stems from the fact that it is not free |
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| 18:55.14 | wols_ | jair: it can assign them solely on MAC |
| 18:55.17 | Jester| | aha, I understand |
| 18:55.18 | jair | keith4_: right, If i define a second one I can't |
| 18:55.36 | jair | wols_: so then how the line should look like :( http://rafb.net/p/oNMcKE49.html |
| 18:55.50 | jair | wols_: I have this right now the example I paste here |
| 18:55.53 | wols_ | jair: I don't know about dhcp3-server. I don't use it. I use dnsmasq |
| 18:56.22 | geo-rge | Jester|: one thing you will need immediately is to back up your existing stuff and you will also need unpartitioned hard disk space right away |
| 18:56.23 | jair | keith4_: ok I can do that but how it should look like? I just need to delete the line " host xp-base"? |
| 18:56.32 | geo-rge | ok so that's two things :) |
| 18:56.34 | jair | wols_: ohhh come on |
| 18:56.41 | jair | wols_: thanks anyway |
| 18:56.55 | wols_ | jair: what "come on"? |
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| 18:57.09 | gonzaloaf | hi, why does krusader takes too long to read directories with thousands files and gnome-commander is faster than krusader? because I use gnome desktop environment? libraries issues? or krusader is bad programed? |
| 18:57.10 | jair | wols_: you start talking and you know I am talking about dhcp3-server :( |
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| 18:57.20 | keith4_ | jair: i don't understand your problem... you need more entries. something like this http://rafb.net/p/6IwF5F11.html |
| 18:57.25 | geo-rge | Jester|: if you don't mind my asking... why do you want to go to linux? (this is more about "what attracts you to linux" as opposed to "what repels you from what you have") |
| 18:57.38 | jair | keith4_: let me check |
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| 18:57.50 | wols_ | jair: I gave you a solution that will do what you want. your choice if you want to ignore it |
| 18:58.04 | geo-rge | gonzaloaf: the answer seems to be "thousands of files" :) |
| 18:58.05 | keith4_ | jair: if won't matter what OS you boot. if they are all set to DHCP, they'll get the same IP no matter what OS is running |
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| 18:58.42 | bkw__ | dpkg: dancer-ircd |
| 18:58.42 | dpkg | bring it on! mmmkay? |
| 18:58.59 | jair | keith4_: ok, but then the line=> host lab01 does not need to match the real hostname of the machine? |
| 18:59.04 | keith4_ | no |
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| 18:59.18 | gonzaloaf | geo-rge, but it that case all apps would take the same time to read the same directory |
| 18:59.24 | jair | wols_: what solution is that? |
| 18:59.30 | jair | dnsmasq |
| 18:59.38 | keith4_ | the dhcp server will suggest that the clients might want to use that host name, sort of... but the OS doesn't have to listen |
| 18:59.43 | jair | I think I can do what keith4_ is telling me and it will work |
| 18:59.54 | jair | keith4_: got it |
| 18:59.55 | geo-rge | gonzaloaf: I guess typically if a linear approach is used that would be the case |
| 18:59.58 | jair | so then I am right |
| 19:00.01 | wols_ | jair: dnsmasq |
| 19:00.06 | Spyro_boy | Hrmmm.. |
| 19:00.07 | wols_ | !Info dnsmasq |
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| 19:00.29 | wols_ | jair: it's a dns cache and dhcp server |
| 19:00.32 | jair | all I need to do is put the names of the machines the way i want to, and then make sure the ip and the mac address correspond. :) |
| 19:00.43 | keith4_ | jair: the dhcp server will give the 'fixed-address' to the dhcp client that requests a lease from the 'hardware ethernet' address. that's it. nothing fancy required |
| 19:00.49 | dpkg | dnsmasq: has nothing about Info |
| 19:00.54 | jair | wols_: I will check into that later all right Thanks |
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| 19:01.21 | jair | keith4_: that is what i say too, not need for extra fancy stuff Thank you |
| 19:01.23 | madprobe | 'debian |
| 19:01.29 | madprobe | ,debian |
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| 19:01.38 | geo-rge | rebran~ |
| 19:01.44 | madprobe | `debian |
| 19:01.56 | madprobe | hey how to make bot speak? |
| 19:02.00 | jair | wols_: thank you very much but I think that adding the entries on the dhcp server with the mac address will do the work nicely |
| 19:02.04 | stew | madprobe: /msg dpkg help |
| 19:02.11 | jair | keith4_: Thank you you are the master :P |
| 19:02.19 | geo-rge | hey howbout going to www.debian.org to find out about debian |
| 19:02.20 | archangelpetro | is FreeImage in any of the debain x86 repos? |
| 19:02.23 | wols_ | madprobe: /msg dpkg <stuff> |
| 19:02.35 | wols_ | !info freeimage |
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| 19:02.37 | Spyro_boy | I still can't do 32bit like I used to. :( |
| 19:02.42 | wols_ | !tell archangelpetro about search |
| 19:02.48 | madprobe | !info debian |
| 19:02.57 | Spyro_boy | !tell Spyro_boy about ia32 |
| 19:03.10 | wols_ | !tell Spyro_boy about msg the bot |
| 19:03.24 | Spyro_boy | Er.. |
| 19:03.25 | Spyro_boy | Oh |
| 19:03.27 | Spyro_boy | Sorry. |
| 19:03.34 | madprobe | stew, wols_ actually my friend told me that there is a command to show 'debian vs ubuntu' |
| 19:04.05 | geo-rge | madprobe: the package management is similar if not identical... the packages are probably all different |
| 19:04.14 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 19:04.14 | dpkg | Your distribution uses <apt>, but is not officialy Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> to name a few. |
| 19:04.19 | JohnML | Howto tell APT per apt.conf to do a apt-get clean after sucessfull apt-get install? I googled a lot but couldn't find a solution ?!! |
| 19:04.34 | madprobe | geo-rge, how to see diff b/w debian and ubuntu??? |
| 19:04.47 | geo-rge | install both and try them |
| 19:04.55 | geo-rge | I mean... |
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| 19:04.59 | geo-rge | how else? :) |
| 19:05.02 | keith4_ | madprobe: try google? |
| 19:05.02 | jair | keith4_: Thank you very much |
| 19:05.08 | keith4_ | jair: no problem |
| 19:05.14 | madprobe | geo-rge, there is a command to tell bot to show the diff |
| 19:05.22 | stew | madprobe: no, there is no such command |
| 19:05.23 | keith4_ | JohnML: make an alias for that maybe |
| 19:05.37 | keith4_ | madprobe: maybe in #ubuntu. it's a different bot |
| 19:05.40 | keith4_ | i think |
| 19:05.59 | geo-rge | first... you can message the bot, and it will talk to you back by msg |
| 19:06.00 | stew | it is |
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| 19:06.13 | geo-rge | second, you could play with listkeys and listvals |
| 19:06.14 | JohnML | keith4_: OK, but i searched a option fore apt. Perhaps that does mot exists? |
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| 19:06.45 | madprobe | stew, actually my friend came here once and started talking abt ubuntu, when he was stopped to do that, he said 'why? ubuntu is derivative of debian itself' then someone used some command and bot showed the diff b/w the two |
| 19:06.54 | madprobe | so i wanna see the same thing |
| 19:06.58 | keith4_ | !why debian |
| 19:06.58 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
| 19:06.59 | QliXed | Hi!... |
| 19:07.04 | geo-rge | but the BEST and HIGHEST QUALITY answer to your question will come to you personally when you see the differences for yourself |
| 19:07.13 | keith4_ | madprobe: try 'man apt.conf' |
| 19:07.33 | madprobe | keith4_, folks right now i am using gentoo |
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| 19:07.50 | geo-rge | how do you like gentoo? |
| 19:07.56 | stew | geo-rge: please keep it on-topic |
| 19:07.57 | madprobe | i just wanted to see the diff, i use debian at my second computer |
| 19:08.07 | keith4_ | madprobe: try the ubuntu live cd maybe? |
| 19:08.14 | QliXed | I have a little questions about creating my own package... someone can help with that? |
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| 19:08.24 | madprobe | keith4_, i've seen ubuntu also at my friend's |
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| 19:08.35 | geo-rge | aha, so then you will get the best quality answer if you install ubuntu |
| 19:08.50 | Greyscale | TO THE SHOOPS, BATMAN! |
| 19:08.55 | jrm | hi there |
| 19:08.56 | madprobe | geo-rge, no i like debian more and use it too |
| 19:09.01 | geo-rge | but since you've seen both, you have at least a partial idea of the difference |
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| 19:09.03 | madprobe | thanks for ur answers :) |
| 19:09.06 | jrm | someone for a security related question ? |
| 19:09.15 | QliXed | I need to run configure after dh_make ? |
| 19:09.28 | geo-rge | I'm against security relations! |
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| 19:09.36 | stew | madprobe: ubuntu generally takes debian's packages and alters them, and puts them onto their own repositories. anything more specific than that is going to be a question more appropriate for #ubuntu than here |
| 19:09.37 | geo-rge | wait, I'm not sure what I'm talking about! |
| 19:09.38 | xand | !tell jrm about ask |
| 19:09.43 | jrm | :) |
| 19:09.44 | jrm | well |
| 19:09.53 | ChloeD | geo-rge: if you use LaTeX everything should be secure. |
| 19:09.58 | ChloeD | all of your relations. |
| 19:10.00 | keith4_ | yarr |
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| 19:10.10 | jrm | could someone please explain to me the fundamental difference between SSL and Ipsec VPN ? |
| 19:10.11 | geo-rge | I do have The Latex Companion... |
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| 19:10.25 | ChloeD | spandex fetish ? |
| 19:10.27 | xand | geo-rge: sounds rude. |
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| 19:10.48 | geo-rge | it's actually a good book on the subject |
| 19:10.52 | tek-ops | I'm having issues with FAI |
| 19:10.59 | QliXed | someone for package creation question? |
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| 19:11.17 | keith4_ | jrm: one is a VPN and one is a protocol that can be used to secure many different types of network traffic? |
| 19:11.19 | tek-ops | here's my pxelinux.cfg/default file which is actually loading on the client machine: http://pastebin.ca/584411 |
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| 19:11.36 | jrm | keith4_: I mean, the diff detween SSL VPN and Ipsec VPN |
| 19:11.36 | keith4_ | QliXed: just ask your question |
| 19:11.40 | geo-rge | QliXed: after you run dhmake, you have to look at what it produced and see what you can do to get it to build |
| 19:11.43 | tek-ops | however it complains that I need to pass a correct root device, as if it doesn't have the ramdisk |
| 19:12.08 | keith4_ | jrm: http://netsecurity.about.com/cs/generalsecurity/a/aa111703.htm |
| 19:12.15 | geo-rge | like: |
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| 19:12.39 | keith4_ | jrm: just google 'ipsec vs ssl'. there are TONS of technical discussions about the differences |
| 19:12.44 | jrm | thx |
| 19:12.48 | geo-rge | edit debian/rules at the target "build" to run the configure script with the appropriate parameters |
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| 19:13.01 | geo-rge | and then it runs make (should already be there) |
| 19:13.19 | Xcalibur22 | after a kernel update i cannot boot the new kernel because the root FS is on an lvm. i understand that this is normal and that I need to create an initrd that supports the lvm |
| 19:13.58 | Xcalibur22 | the old kernel boots just fine, however the new one will not. what needs to be changed to have the new initrd support the lvm root fs? |
| 19:14.21 | geo-rge | Xcalibur22: yes, or compile lvm and whatever else is necessary to mount / into kernel |
| 19:14.44 | geo-rge | but you should be able to rebuild the package with make-kpkg --initrd ... |
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| 19:15.28 | geo-rge | that will cause the package to be built with enough install smarts to figure out on each box it's installed on how to mount root |
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| 19:15.29 | Xcalibur22 | geo-rge: thanks for answering for one. I apologize for my ignorance in these issues. i am a modest linux user and I am in no way an expert. |
| 19:15.39 | geo-rge | it's ok |
| 19:15.54 | geo-rge | phone call |
| 19:15.58 | Xcalibur22 | so i would run make-kpkg --initrd |
| 19:16.04 | Xcalibur22 | ? |
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| 19:16.22 | QliXed | People another question, i'm simply delete all the things after Depends and write the dependencies right? |
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| 19:17.35 | QliXed | I'm just running the dh_make and editing the control file in debian directory.... |
| 19:17.50 | Xcalibur22 | geo-rge: let me know when you are back |
| 19:17.56 | Xcalibur22 | thanks again |
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| 19:20.01 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I convert mpc files to mp3? |
| 19:20.27 | walthari | i'm a problem with my X |
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| 19:20.39 | walthari | my packets for fonts X |
| 19:20.41 | walthari | not exist |
| 19:20.41 | gonzaloaf | !mpc |
| 19:20.41 | dpkg | from memory, mpc is musepack, yet another audio compression routine. It's lgpl, and there's an xmms plugin and encode/decode utilities available - ask me about rarewares. |
| 19:20.55 | gravity | walthari: Your font packages don't exist? |
| 19:21.04 | gravity | walthari: Do you have xfonts-base installed? |
| 19:21.09 | tbamr | i just saw in my listing output of "ps -ef" something like this "su <someone>" and then lots of hdd activity from "slocate". has this happened to anyone ? |
| 19:21.39 | tbamr | that su <someone>; part amazes me. i didn't su <someone>. :/ |
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| 19:21.43 | stew | QliXed: yes, but the ${shlibs:Depends} and ${misc:Depends} should possibly stay depending on what you are building |
| 19:21.56 | QliXed | I'm building a library |
| 19:22.10 | walthari | gravity: xfonts-base = error ( /usr/lib/X11/fonts/minsc does not exist or not directory |
| 19:22.15 | QliXed | libssh from 0xbadc0de.de |
| 19:22.20 | walthari | and xfonts-100dpi = error |
| 19:22.21 | gravity | wtf |
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| 19:22.30 | tbamr | wtf is going on |
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| 19:22.41 | gravity | walthari: Can you put a log in a pastebin? |
| 19:22.42 | walthari | im aptitude install xserver-xorg and xorg |
| 19:22.45 | yeonhoo | Question : how to set permission? chmod ... ? |
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| 19:23.00 | QliXed | stew: its required to build hydra, and i need to make a hydra and libssh packages :( |
| 19:23.03 | stew | QliXed: why are you repackaging it instead of reusing the packaging in debian? |
| 19:23.08 | gravity | walthari: I don't understand what is actually happening |
| 19:23.14 | walthari | gravity: yeah |
| 19:23.16 | walthari | sorry |
| 19:23.19 | stew | QliXed: is there some reason you can't just use the debian packages of libssh? |
| 19:23.49 | QliXed | stew: because I can't find the 0xbadc0de libssh in debian repository, i get openssl ones.... |
| 19:23.56 | yeonhoo | How to set permission? |
| 19:23.59 | yeonhoo | chmod ??? |
| 19:24.09 | yeonhoo | to set permission of an file |
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| 19:24.14 | wols_ | !permissions |
| 19:24.14 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
| 19:24.24 | wols_ | yes man chmod |
| 19:24.31 | QliXed | stew: and hydra not support then (apparently), or... (possibly) I'm missed up something :S |
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| 19:25.38 | wols_ | walthari: aptitude x-window-system |
| 19:25.43 | wols_ | walthari: aptitude install x-window-system |
| 19:25.51 | QliXed | stew: ayt? |
| 19:25.52 | walthari | okei |
| 19:26.27 | stew | QliXed: yes |
| 19:27.07 | geo-rge | wha'ts a hydra |
| 19:27.32 | QliXed | google thc-hydra, basically it's a password cracker tool. |
| 19:27.36 | walthari | wols_: error againn |
| 19:27.42 | wols_ | geo-rge: a monster with too many heads |
| 19:27.46 | walthari | the comand #xorg not exist |
| 19:27.47 | walthari | but |
| 19:27.49 | wols_ | whitetea: what error? |
| 19:27.53 | geo-rge | oh, thanks |
| 19:27.54 | walthari | i'm install xorg pack |
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| 19:28.09 | wols_ | walthari: how do you try to start X? |
| 19:28.09 | gravity | wols_: Not on etch |
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| 19:28.16 | gravity | wols_: xorg has supersceded x-window-system* |
| 19:28.23 | wols_ | gravity: ah |
| 19:28.25 | gravity | Which reminds me... I think I need to remove those |
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| 19:28.33 | Xcalibur22 | geo-rge: so what exactly do I need to do to get the new kernel to boot properly? |
| 19:28.39 | walthari | wols_: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/minsc not exist or not directory |
| 19:28.40 | hark | walthari: startx |
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| 19:28.58 | walthari | hark: startx is not possible, = error |
| 19:28.58 | geo-rge | Xcalibur22: can you get into debian at all right now? |
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| 19:29.08 | Xcalibur22 | yes |
| 19:29.08 | gravity | walthari: "minsc"? |
| 19:29.11 | Xcalibur22 | im ssh'd into the old kernel |
| 19:29.16 | gravity | walthari: This is pure Debian? |
| 19:29.19 | walthari | gravity: haha sorry |
| 19:29.20 | walthari | misc |
| 19:29.26 | wols_ | walthari: that is no error. paste your Xorg.log. and also you didn't answer my questions. what command did you use tos tart X? |
| 19:29.27 | walthari | debian lenny |
| 19:29.49 | JoelR | Hi.. i have a Debian 'stable' machine and i need the squid that is in testing, so i added a testing line to my sources.list and then did aptitude update.. but when i do: aptitude -t testing install squid it says me that it has unresolved dependencies but these actions will fix them: libc6-i686 [2.3.6.ds1-13 (stable, now) -> 2.5-9+b1 (testing)] |
| 19:29.49 | JoelR | locales [2.3.6.ds1-13 (stable, now) -> 2.5-9 (testing)] |
| 19:29.49 | JoelR | tzdata [2007b-1 (stable, now) -> 2007f-8 (testing)] |
| 19:29.50 | gravity | walthari: That's entirely the wrong path. It should be /usr/share/fonts. Not usr/lib |
| 19:29.58 | gravity | walthari: Xorg.log is useless here |
| 19:29.59 | JoelR | is it safe? i don't want to break my system... |
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| 19:30.07 | wols_ | gravity: it's not |
| 19:30.08 | gravity | wols_: ^ |
| 19:30.13 | gravity | wols_: If the fonts package can't install properly? |
| 19:30.15 | wols_ | very much useful |
| 19:30.21 | gravity | wols_: How is the Xorg.0.log going to help diagnose that? |
| 19:30.29 | wols_ | a) it will tell us ALL errors not just what he says us |
| 19:30.46 | wols_ | and it tells us his debian version, etc |
| 19:30.47 | geo-rge | ok, do so, remove the kernel package you installed (which is not the running kernel, right?) and rebuild the package (run the make-kpkg again, and add --initrd to it), then install the resulting package and try booting that |
| 19:30.56 | gravity | wols_: I promise you. If xfonts-base isn't installing, then the server will fail anyway. |
| 19:31.09 | gravity | anyway... |
| 19:31.22 | geo-rge | bb I'm a boxes getter... |
| 19:31.36 | wols_ | gravity: yes. but why would it fail when he installs xorg? cause then installing xorg would fail too |
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| 19:31.53 | gravity | walthari: Was this always Debian? Pure from install? Or did you *ever* add sources from anything else? |
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| 19:31.59 | Xcalibur22 | geo-rge: is there an alternate way to do it? the reason I ask is because I am trying to repair this system, and I do not want to cause more problems. I am not familiar with debian at all. |
| 19:32.05 | JoelR | anybody? :( |
| 19:32.15 | gravity | wols_: The xorg install would fail, but not the server |
| 19:32.27 | gravity | The server would install just fine. It doesn't depend on xfonts-base |
| 19:33.06 | walthari | directory of xorg.log is: |
| 19:33.08 | walthari | ? |
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| 19:33.34 | wols_ | gravity: http://paste.debian.net/31132 |
| 19:33.39 | wols_ | walthari: /var/log/ |
| 19:33.39 | Xcalibur22 | geo-rge: i do not know how to remove the bad kernel and reinstall the new package. is it done with apt-get? |
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| 19:33.47 | wols_ | Xcalibur22: yes |
| 19:33.51 | walthari | my directory of xorg.log is: |
| 19:33.53 | walthari | ? |
| 19:34.01 | wols_ | walthari: /var/log ! |
| 19:34.18 | gravity | wols_: Yes, but xserver-xorg will still install, allowing him to run startx |
| 19:34.22 | wols_ | !tell JoelR about bobbitt |
| 19:34.28 | gravity | And then fail to start the server, due to not finding the fixed font |
| 19:34.30 | wols_ | JoelR: it's nOT safe. do a backport or look for one |
| 19:34.51 | Blazeix | Hi, I'm doing the debian 4.0 net install, and I eventually want to set up raid 1 on my system. Should I choose the partitioning option with LVM? |
| 19:35.02 | JoelR | isn't there a feature called "pinning"? :S |
| 19:35.03 | gravity | I assume that xbase-clients will also install |
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| 19:35.18 | wols_ | JoelR: there is and you are not using it or on your own risk. |
| 19:35.40 | nweaver916 | quick question about networking...do you think I can sustain routing 500Mb/s between gig links (It's cisco gear on each side, Intel server class NICs, Server class machine, but only regular PCI slots)? |
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| 19:36.29 | nweaver916 | it's running a simple IPtables script |
| 19:36.37 | nweaver916 | (like 20 lines maybe) |
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| 19:37.02 | Xcalibur22 | so i would then do a apt-get remove <kernel> then use the make-kpkg --initrd, then an aptget install with the new package? |
| 19:37.15 | wols_ | nweaver916: only with luck. the PCI slot is the limiting factor here imho |
| 19:37.24 | QliXed | I find a package .deb that is for ubuntu dapper i can get in some trouble if i install it on a debian etch? |
| 19:37.26 | wols_ | Xcalibur22: yes |
| 19:37.32 | wols_ | QliXed: yes |
| 19:37.41 | JoelR | wols_: There is no backport for squid version i need. |
| 19:37.44 | QliXed | Or is prefer to alienize a rpm package? |
| 19:37.44 | wols_ | QliXed: get its source, compile it yourself with your libs |
| 19:37.52 | wols_ | QliXed: alien is even worse |
| 19:37.55 | JoelR | in fact, the squid's version is in backports is older than etch :S |
| 19:38.14 | wols_ | JoelR: those are usually sarge backports from etch stuff when it was testing |
| 19:38.31 | wols_ | JoelR: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:38.35 | Xcalibur22 | wols_: where does it put the created package? and can i use the full path with apt-get to prevent it form querying the online sources? |
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| 19:38.46 | QliXed | wois_: fuck, i can compile it but i need to make a deb package, and it's a really madness make it... |
| 19:38.50 | wols_ | in your .. of your current path |
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| 19:38.56 | wols_ | and you use dpkg -i actually to install it |
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| 19:39.10 | hammer_0n | what the best? xfree86 or xorg? |
| 19:39.13 | wols_ | QliXed: yes. make a .deb out of the ubuntu sources |
| 19:39.19 | Xcalibur22 | and the full path to the package? |
| 19:39.19 | gravity | hammer_0n: Xorg |
| 19:39.24 | wols_ | hammer_0n: there is no xfree86 in debian anymore |
| 19:39.25 | gravity | hammer_0n: No one uses xfree86 any more |
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| 19:39.35 | wols_ | Xcalibur22: ../ |
| 19:40.06 | QliXed | wois_: I'm not deb-expert, i'm a slackware-boy :), a slackbuild is a much more eeasy thing to do. |
| 19:40.43 | gravity | Just rebuilding on Debian should be sufficient. It's pretty simple. |
| 19:40.48 | nweaver916 | wols_ good point...if I get "max" througput on the bus (127MB/s), cut that in half (for the 2 cards) I'm looking at 63 MB/s, or 500...so I would have to totally fill the PCI bus's theroetical max...I should have gone with 64 bit PCI :( |
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| 19:41.04 | QliXed | gravity: how I can do it? |
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| 19:41.18 | cydork | !gentoosmite QliXed |
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| 19:41.37 | Xcalibur22 | i apologize for my stupidity, but i am trying now to remove the new kernel package, but I do not know what the name is because i am not the one who installed it. is there a way I can find out? |
| 19:41.39 | gravity | QliXed: Download the ubuntu package sources. dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot |
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| 19:41.41 | cydork | !ops xfg3751 |
| 19:41.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cydork complains about: xfg3751 |
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| 19:41.44 | nweaver916 | qlixed...you can find an ubuntu, but not deb? That's strange, as more then 95% of Ubuntu packages come from deb |
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| 19:41.55 | gravity | QliXed: You might want to increment the changelog too |
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| 19:42.01 | wols_ | QliXed: I doubt it. dpkg-buildpackage or apt-get build is about as easy as it gets |
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| 19:42.06 | phrankoi | how do I setup postfix to forward mail out of the house? |
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| 19:42.11 | gravity | erm... faster? |
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| 19:42.13 | wols_ | QliXed: or does slack have ways to automaticall get dependencies for you? |
| 19:42.33 | wols_ | phrankoi: dpkg-reconfigure postfix. use the smarthost option |
| 19:42.40 | phrankoi | (my port 25 is blocked) |
| 19:42.53 | QliXed | wois_ no... and U know that ;) |
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| 19:43.34 | phrankoi | thnx wols_ |
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| 19:43.35 | Xcalibur22 | wols_: is there a way i can find the name of the new kernel package to remove it? |
| 19:43.48 | QliXed | gravity: dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot <packagename>.deb? |
| 19:43.49 | wols_ | Xcalibur22: dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 19:43.53 | peterS | dondelelcaro: was he doing any actual harm, or only having problems with his client? |
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| 19:43.59 | cydork | dondelelcaro: that bot was in few other channels too! |
| 19:44.00 | stew | peterS: it was multiple ips |
| 19:44.13 | peterS | true.. |
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| 19:44.36 | dondelelcaro | peterS: primarily pre-emptive; could be removed if a real person complains |
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| 19:45.22 | misreckoning | I found that I have two kernel modules for fglrx drivers - how can I remove one of them? |
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| 19:45.48 | misreckoning | module-assistant shows only one module :/ |
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| 19:46.14 | wols_ | misreckoning: dpkg -l |grep fglrx |
| 19:46.16 | misreckoning | but Xorg.0.log tells me it uses 8.35 version while I have 8.37 in m-a |
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| 19:46.28 | misreckoning | wols_, neither that shows the older version |
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| 19:46.46 | wols_ | misreckoning: delete it from /lib/modules and reinstall it |
| 19:46.57 | QliXed | dpkg-buildpackage need a .src .deb or src targz |
| 19:47.53 | misreckoning | wols_, hm I found something old there... thank you, I will try it |
| 19:48.43 | stew | QliXed: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:49.03 | wols_ | QliXed: it mainly needs a deb-src line in sources.list and that gives you a tgz but it will even unpack automatically when you get it |
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| 19:49.20 | stew | QliXed: you are going through a lot of trouble to get this hydra thing installed, what is it useful for, that you can't use some debian package to do? |
| 19:49.26 | wols_ | stew: he found a ubuntu package of hydra and wants it in his debian |
| 19:49.39 | wols_ | password cracking he said |
| 19:49.48 | QliXed | stew: not :( |
| 19:50.04 | Gnu_Raiz | anyone want to trouble shoot a wifi connection problem. |
| 19:50.18 | wols_ | Gnu_Raiz: do you actually want to state your problem or waste time? |
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| 19:50.29 | Xcalibur22 | i am getting an error that make-kpkg is not found |
| 19:50.42 | wols_ | install kernel-package |
| 19:50.47 | Gnu_Raiz | It's on the network end, my wifi is working fine. |
| 19:50.55 | dvs | Xcalibur22: apt-get install build-essential |
| 19:51.04 | dvs | that too |
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| 19:51.09 | dvs | *blush* |
| 19:51.13 | QliXed | wols_: i need to dpkg-source package-src.deb and then dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 19:51.20 | Gnu_Raiz | but I can't surf the web pages, I use iwconfig to get the essid correct, not using enc but still cannot connect. |
| 19:51.49 | Gnu_Raiz | I mean I have access to the ap, I can ping the AP but not google, or yahoo, or anything else. |
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| 19:51.56 | wols_ | we usually use apt-get source and apt-get build-dep |
| 19:52.02 | misreckoning | wols_, not working :p |
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| 19:52.18 | wols_ | paste your xorg.log |
| 19:52.19 | Gnu_Raiz | when i use iwlist it shows the network not enc no wep or psk, key or anything. |
| 19:52.32 | misreckoning | ok |
| 19:53.04 | Gnu_Raiz | In windows it just works, and the pages don't tell me I need anyother information |
| 19:53.18 | misreckoning | wols_, http://pastebin.com/934293 |
| 19:54.40 | keith4_ | Gnu_Raiz: if you can ping the AP, you're on the wireless network find |
| 19:54.41 | keith4_ | fine |
| 19:54.49 | Gnu_Raiz | This happens to be a college wifi network, but windows clients don't need password. |
| 19:54.53 | keith4_ | you could have a route problem, or maybe a DNS problem |
| 19:55.04 | Gnu_Raiz | Thats what I thought, but I can not surf. |
| 19:55.08 | keith4_ | you could have a route problem, or maybe a DNS problem |
| 19:55.26 | Gnu_Raiz | I also use dhclient to get dynamic IP still cannot surf. |
| 19:55.52 | keith4_ | you could have a route problem, or maybe a DNS problem |
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| 19:56.01 | Gnu_Raiz | if it was a dns problem, I should be able to just use the ip address to surf but no go. |
| 19:56.12 | keith4_ | do you have a default route? |
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| 19:57.11 | Xcalibur22 | so how do i use make-kpkg to rebuild the kernel package? |
| 19:57.17 | wols_ | and no this is not the problem |
| 19:57.30 | Xcalibur22 | it tells me that it is an unknown target |
| 19:58.03 | Gnu_Raiz | keith4_: no it is supposed to be the college that takes care of it, I thought that dhclient would use the networks dns. |
| 19:58.24 | misreckoning | wols_, any idea? |
| 19:58.43 | geo-rge | try make-kpkg --initrd linux_image |
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| 19:59.05 | keith4_ | Gnu_Raiz: pastebin the output of 'route' |
| 19:59.07 | geo-rge | with that shell CDed to the kernel src dir |
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| 19:59.38 | Gnu_Raiz | I might have to try that, but I think it might have something to do with tls, eap or something. |
| 19:59.48 | misreckoning | in one place it says "ATI Proprietary Linux Driver Version Identifier:8.37.6" but in other "Version: 8.35.5 - Kernel Versions don't Match" |
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| 20:00.26 | Gnu_Raiz | I don't have access to the network rightnow, but I know they make all the mac users do a special login, or setup situation. |
| 20:00.28 | Xcalibur22 | ahh this is frustrating. i dont know where the image is. the system is an IPBX provided by Novacom and the image was installed as part of their install script |
| 20:00.45 | keith4_ | Gnu_Raiz: pastebin the output of 'route' |
| 20:00.47 | Xcalibur22 | and unfortunately it doesnt have the initrd to boot root on LVM |
| 20:01.09 | geo-rge | did you try doing what I said |
| 20:01.20 | JoelR | what would be apt-get build-dep equivalent in aptitude? |
| 20:01.32 | Gnu_Raiz | keith4_: right now I am on my home network which works fine. |
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| 20:02.07 | Xcalibur22 | i am |
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| 20:02.13 | Xcalibur22 | but i dont know where the kernel image is |
| 20:02.28 | Xcalibur22 | i removed the new one |
| 20:02.33 | Xcalibur22 | and i am trying to rebuild it |
| 20:02.33 | geo-rge | you mean the .deb? |
| 20:02.39 | Xcalibur22 | but i have no idea where it is |
| 20:02.46 | geo-rge | "it"? |
| 20:02.51 | Xcalibur22 | the kernel image |
| 20:02.57 | geo-rge | the package? |
| 20:03.03 | geo-rge | it might be in .. |
| 20:03.04 | Xcalibur22 | i cant do the make-kpkg because i dont know where the image is |
| 20:03.16 | Xcalibur22 | i cant make the package yet |
| 20:03.24 | keith4_ | Gnu_Raiz: well then how is someone supposed to help you? |
| 20:03.31 | Xcalibur22 | like i said the image was installed by a script from a company called Novacom |
| 20:03.35 | geo-rge | yes you can... that command MAKES the kernel image package |
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| 20:03.38 | Xcalibur22 | and i dont know where they stored the image |
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| 20:03.43 | Blackgoth | hm my x2 system (using K7 SMP kernel) hangs when it hits: cpu#1 has 135 usec TSC skew fixed it up |
| 20:04.01 | geo-rge | ok, is there any config files in /boot |
| 20:04.15 | geo-rge | (note I have to be out and about without notice) |
| 20:04.16 | Xcalibur22 | so what do i type? i tried make-kpkg --initrd linux-image-2.6.19.3 |
| 20:04.21 | Xcalibur22 | yes |
| 20:04.27 | JoelR | hey! what's the equivalent in aptitude of apt-get build-dep? |
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| 20:04.33 | geo-rge | ok, try this |
| 20:04.33 | Gnu_Raiz | keith4_: thats a good point, I just thought maybe someone had the same problem. |
| 20:04.41 | geo-rge | make-kpkg --targets |
| 20:04.41 | h3sp4wn | JoelR: There is not one |
| 20:04.46 | Xcalibur22 | i tried that |
| 20:04.56 | Xcalibur22 | i dont know what im looking for there |
| 20:05.00 | JoelR | wtf? :S isn't aptitude supposed to be better than apt-get? |
| 20:05.03 | geo-rge | and did you see there linux_image as one target? |
| 20:05.05 | h3sp4wn | JoelR: (just use apt-get - aptitude will clean up the packages for you next time) |
| 20:05.11 | Gnu_Raiz | I only needed it for one class, as it is I download everything at home so I really don't need connection. |
| 20:05.17 | h3sp4wn | JoelR: Its by design |
| 20:05.24 | geo-rge | or kernel_image? |
| 20:05.30 | Xcalibur22 | i see kernel_image |
| 20:05.33 | geo-rge | ok |
| 20:05.38 | JoelR | h3sp4wn, so, there is no problem i use this time apt-get? wouldn't it confuse aptitude later on? |
| 20:05.41 | geo-rge | so here is what you're going to do |
| 20:05.47 | Xcalibur22 | so should i use make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 20:06.03 | geo-rge | first go to the linux source dir (you might already be CDed there) |
| 20:06.11 | h3sp4wn | JoelR: It won't confuse it - it will just remove them next time you run it unless you unmarkauto them |
| 20:06.15 | Xcalibur22 | nope |
| 20:06.18 | geo-rge | yes, exactly that command letterforletter |
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| 20:06.26 | geo-rge | so cd there first |
| 20:06.32 | Xcalibur22 | what is the source directory? |
| 20:06.40 | JoelR | h3sp4wn, ok.. thanks |
| 20:06.49 | geo-rge | the dir where the kernel source you're trying to build is |
| 20:06.52 | h3sp4wn | JoelR: You could just use pbuilder |
| 20:06.59 | Xcalibur22 | thats exactly my problem |
| 20:07.02 | geo-rge | ok, be back, more errands |
| 20:07.03 | Xcalibur22 | i dont know where that is |
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| 20:09.30 | geo-rge | ok, back for a sec... could you show the output of uname -r |
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| 20:09.46 | Xcalibur22 | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 20:10.01 | geo-rge | ok, why is that not performing properly |
| 20:10.02 | Xcalibur22 | 2.6.19.3 |
| 20:10.19 | Xcalibur22 | im trying to run 19.3 |
| 20:10.40 | geo-rge | so you're not actually having any kernel issues specifically? |
| 20:10.44 | Xcalibur22 | no |
| 20:10.54 | Xcalibur22 | its a boot issue with an updated kernel |
| 20:10.54 | geo-rge | ok... well, |
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| 20:11.48 | Xcalibur22 | our kernel was updated by a script from our IPBX provider, and their script does not have the appropriate initrd for LVM |
| 20:12.07 | Xcalibur22 | and we need to boot to the new kernel |
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| 20:12.13 | geo-rge | ok, is there a 2.6.19-686 package somewhere? (this is to anyone who knows; and to Xcalibur22, you could check packages.debian.org or google) |
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| 20:12.29 | geo-rge | need? why? you just said there are no issues with the existing kernel |
| 20:12.32 | N1ckR | How much does debian patch/alter upstream packages (common desktop stuff) ? |
| 20:12.46 | Xcalibur22 | because thats what the VOIP provider said we have to do |
| 20:12.52 | dondelelcaro | N1ckR: depends on the package |
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| 20:13.16 | stew | N1ckR: you can go to http://packages.debian.org/packagename and download the .diff.gz to see for yourself |
| 20:13.16 | geo-rge | ask them why |
| 20:13.34 | Xcalibur22 | they claim that their software doesnt work with the other kernel |
| 20:13.34 | dondelelcaro | N1ckR: in general we try to modify them as little as possible and get the changes that we make contributed back upstream, but in all cases we want software that works; if that means doing things differently than upstream, we do them differently. |
| 20:13.43 | geo-rge | also ask them for a list of what they specifically require in that kernel |
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| 20:13.56 | Xcalibur22 | and as part of their installation script it had updated our kernel, but they do not use the appropriate initrd |
| 20:14.10 | N1ckR | stew, cool cheers. |
| 20:14.21 | dondelelcaro | Xcalibur22: ugh. that's just evil; I'd run away screaming from a vendor who did something like that |
| 20:14.23 | geo-rge | then you need their 2.6.19.whatever config file |
| 20:14.30 | Xcalibur22 | i agree |
| 20:14.33 | Xcalibur22 | well either way |
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| 20:14.35 | geo-rge | meetoo |
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| 20:15.00 | Xcalibur22 | if i reinstall it and get it back to the way they like, is there another way to get the image to boot with root on LVM? |
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| 20:15.05 | geo-rge | ok, so we do have actual need (controversies to /dev/null) |
| 20:15.19 | N1ckR | dondelelcaro - k makes sense, fix and send upstream basically as needed. |
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| 20:16.01 | helo | i'm looking for a way to slow down the input from a ps/2 input device (barcode scanner) |
| 20:16.03 | geo-rge | tell them you intend to build the kernel from source yourself, and you need a full and complete list of what they require in the kernel |
| 20:16.43 | Xcalibur22 | i cant deal with these people. they suck. they are out of belgium and their communcations are very poor as is their documentation and support |
| 20:16.48 | geo-rge | tell them also that to require a specific kernel is suspicious and ridiculous |
| 20:17.21 | geo-rge | then we're stuck unless you can get that config file |
| 20:17.35 | helo | the numbers are coming in too fast for the event loop to register all of them... |
| 20:17.40 | Xcalibur22 | well i want to just re reun their setup script |
| 20:17.55 | Xcalibur22 | but then how can i get the new kernel to boot without doing all of this |
| 20:18.00 | geo-rge | go with a different provider and email them with the specific reasons why their initial setup is not appropriate |
| 20:18.09 | Xcalibur22 | i would love to |
| 20:18.20 | geo-rge | and therefore why you're jumping providers |
| 20:18.35 | Xcalibur22 | our headquarters in europe insists that we use this provider because they do |
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| 20:19.20 | geo-rge | see... if we go forward from here without knowing their specific requirements, we're trying to find a needle in a haystack by playing pin the tail on the donkey with no eyes, arms or legs |
| 20:19.23 | Xcalibur22 | is there a way though to boot a kernel with root on LVM without doing this procedure(remove new kernel, rebuild, etc) |
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| 20:19.43 | ma3x | I thought /usr/share/locale contains the languages that I've configured with dpkg-reconfigure locales, so I deleted most of them. Should I reinstall everything now? |
| 20:19.53 | geo-rge | is the device mapper available as a module on that kernel? |
| 20:20.20 | geo-rge | the answer to my question is the answer to yours |
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| 20:20.54 | geo-rge | but creating an initrd is not all that trivial |
| 20:20.58 | Xcalibur22 | how can i find out? |
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| 20:21.19 | geo-rge | determine the name of that module, find it |
| 20:21.27 | geo-rge | but there is another solution |
| 20:21.38 | stew | ma3x: you don't have to reinstall anything |
| 20:21.41 | geo-rge | build up a separate system that does not require lvm |
| 20:22.00 | geo-rge | or |
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| 20:22.17 | geo-rge | tell them to supply a kernel that has the device mapper built into the kernel |
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| 20:22.43 | zinx | initramfs! |
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| 20:23.14 | ma3x | stew, why not? i can't use different languages for the keyboard anymore |
| 20:23.34 | jer-flow | how can i find out if my nic is really using the gigabit nic i have? |
| 20:23.41 | geo-rge | see, I/we cannot support you (1) all that well (no specific details) or (2) at all (it's not on topic here to deal with what is arguably a foreigh kernel) |
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| 20:23.55 | stew | ma3x: oh, you actually deleted the files? then yeah, reinstall the pacakges that owned those files |
| 20:24.16 | geo-rge | I can't go much further since I don't have the ability to stay seated for long periods (just don't have time) |
| 20:24.30 | Azar | omg hysterical!!! o/t forgive me honorables, ms distributing ubuntu! |
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| 20:24.51 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.59 | Azar | geo-rge: saw it? |
| 20:25.28 | geo-rge | now, I'd bet they're going to use Canonical Inc to try to launch another attack on other linux users |
| 20:25.44 | geo-rge | nope, not too interested too |
| 20:26.24 | geo-rge | Azar: but... hi, howyadoin |
| 20:26.37 | Azar | I wonder what debian would say if ms would do that |
| 20:26.39 | Azar | to debian |
| 20:26.54 | geo-rge | FOAD? :) |
| 20:26.58 | Azar | geo-rge: hi, well a bit frustrated with myself... but a bit better |
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| 20:27.17 | bkw__ | why does dancer-ircd show "Your host is localhost.[localhost./6667]" as default, and how is that changed? |
| 20:27.22 | Azar | can't walk, can't run, can't burn CDs.. |
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| 20:27.58 | lbt | Hi all, given I used apt-get/aptitude to install my system, is there a way to verify files or tell me files that aren't 'owned' by a pkg? |
| 20:27.59 | geo-rge | I would think debian would have so many ways to defend against that |
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| 20:28.07 | Karpo | hello |
| 20:28.10 | Azar | well just take a look: |
| 20:28.13 | Azar | http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:D1ZIAHrGuGIJ:www.windowsmarketplace.com/details.aspx%3Fitemid%3D3411347+ubuntu+windowsmarketplace&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us |
| 20:28.16 | geo-rge | can't now |
| 20:28.22 | Karpo | I just installed a new soundcard. I've recompiled my kernel to add support for it and it appears as an option in kmix, but I'm not getting sound out of it. Anyone know what I might be missing? sound still seems to be coming out of my old card. Is there something I need to do to switch to using the new one? |
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| 20:29.09 | Azar | Karpo: need to figure out what driver name it has, find the module for it, replace the old module in /etc/modules with the new one |
| 20:29.14 | Azar | reconfigure alsa too.. |
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| 20:29.54 | Karpo | Azar, I'm pretty sure the module is loaded, otherwise Kmix would not be recognizing it. but how do I reconfigure alsa? that's probably what I'm missing |
| 20:29.57 | Azar | so instead of snd_abcde.. use the new snd_xyzvk |
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| 20:31.01 | geo-rge | you might have to tell your devices to use sound card 1 instead of sound card 0 or something like that |
| 20:31.20 | Azar | dpkg-reconfigure alsa |
| 20:31.23 | cilkay | Hello. Is it possible to boot from a 32 bit Etch install CD and then do a network install of the 64 bit version? |
| 20:31.27 | Azar | !alsa |
| 20:31.28 | dpkg | somebody said alsa was http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
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| 20:31.47 | Azar | errr... |
| 20:32.10 | Azar | !alsa one-liner |
| 20:32.11 | dpkg | i heard alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 20:32.12 | geo-rge | cilkay: would probably be much easier if you could find a 64b netinstall |
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| 20:32.37 | peterS | cilkay: not easily, the 32-bit CD will boot a 32-bit kernel, so 64-bit apps will not work |
| 20:32.50 | cilkay | ok, thanks |
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| 20:33.17 | cilkay | Actually, I don't expect the 64 bit apps to work in the 32 bit kernel. I just need to install them. |
| 20:33.31 | geo-rge | cilkay: installing them uses those apps |
| 20:33.37 | Azar | heh who say vim is not good... now you can control Firefox with vim keybindings |
| 20:33.43 | cilkay | I doubt it. |
| 20:33.45 | geo-rge | kinda a katch-22 there ;) |
| 20:33.50 | peterS | cilkay: installing packages in many cases means running stuff from the packages, at install time. so cross-installing for a different architecture is quite problematic. |
| 20:33.53 | cilkay | The apps aren't executed, just copied. |
| 20:34.02 | geo-rge | no |
| 20:34.08 | cilkay | Ah.. you're talking about apt-get |
| 20:34.09 | geo-rge | they are run IN ORDER to install |
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| 20:34.21 | cilkay | Not the apps, the post-install scripts. |
| 20:34.27 | geo-rge | those are apps |
| 20:34.28 | peterS | cilkay: yes. packages are not just a tarball. they have scripts that run before and after installation. in many cases, the scripts need to run something from the package itself. |
| 20:34.30 | ma3x | E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for dpkg, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 20:34.33 | ma3x | what should I do about that |
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| 20:35.01 | cilkay | Sure, they're apps but not *the* apps you're installing. Anyway, I understand the limitation. Thanks. |
| 20:35.08 | geo-rge | but I digress... apparantly the answer to your original question is "no"... additional info: use a 64b installer |
| 20:35.10 | apk | All of a sudden, when I run wodim, I spits out "Unable to open this SCSI ID. Trying to map to old ATA syntax.This workaround will disappear in the near future. Fix your configuration." |
| 20:35.22 | peterS | apk: what is your wodim command line? |
| 20:35.53 | apk | peterS: wodim -v dev=1,0,0 backup.sio |
| 20:35.59 | apk | s/sio/iso |
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| 20:36.28 | peterS | apk: we usually recommend dev=/dev/cdrom or whatever instead |
| 20:36.42 | Azar | new Nvidia driver is out: NVIDIA 100.14.11 Display Driver for linux |
| 20:36.49 | peterS | apk: (and in fact wodim will autodetect /dev/cdrom, so if that's the correct link to your drive, you can omit dev= entirely) |
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| 20:37.22 | apk | peterS: My drive is /dev/scd0. It is working with dev=/dev/scd0. |
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| 20:37.39 | Azar | apk: that scd0 is the cd-r/rw |
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| 20:37.40 | Karpo | Azar, actually, it's not a module. I built it into the kernel |
| 20:37.50 | geo-rge | you can probably ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/cdrom |
| 20:37.53 | peterS | apk: it should actually autodetect that too - it reads /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info to find your drives and uses the first CD-R drive it finds |
| 20:38.15 | apk | Azar: dvd-ram/cdrw |
| 20:38.27 | peterS | geo-rge: same order as you use in cp - existing file first, new filename second |
| 20:38.44 | apk | peterS: /dev/cdrom -> scd0 already. |
| 20:38.44 | Azar | Karpo: it seems like your old sound module is loaded at bootup. You need to prevent that by going to /etc/modules, comment it, and add the new alsa (snd_modulename) to it. Then reboot and watch see which one is loaded |
| 20:38.46 | alexfranci | i have to install linux by zero.i don't want to install gnome, but fluxbox. what have i to do? |
| 20:38.58 | geo-rge | peterS: cool :) I had it right :) |
| 20:39.00 | Azar | apk: exactly.... my poor wording |
| 20:39.01 | smacnay | When installing packages (.deb) not supplied by debian (skype in this case), does one need to remove the previous version before updating to a newer version? |
| 20:39.13 | apk | Azar: oh, sorry. I thought you were asking. |
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| 20:39.19 | peterS | apk: right, you shouldn't need a dev= parameter at all, both because of /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info and (if that fails) because of the /dev/cdrom link |
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| 20:39.28 | Azar | alexfranci: try to select the simplest install (minimal) |
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| 20:39.40 | Azar | say no to any kind of desktop stuff |
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| 20:39.53 | apk | peterS: Actually, my /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info says sr0. |
| 20:39.58 | alexfranci | Azar, but if i install the complete debian, what i have to do to choose desktop enviroment? |
| 20:39.58 | Karpo | Azar, both are built into the kernel. neither one is a module |
| 20:39.59 | peterS | smacnay: depends on the quality of the package. if they did it right, you should be able to upgrade smoothly, if they screwed up, who knows |
| 20:40.08 | peterS | apk: that's ok, sr0 is another name for scd0 |
| 20:40.14 | apk | peterS: Oh. /dev/sr0 -> scd0 |
| 20:40.23 | Azar | alexfranci: you can later download/install using aptitude install anything you want |
| 20:40.23 | alexfranci | Azar, nothing. it worked :D |
| 20:40.27 | Karpo | Azar, and I don't necessarily want to disable either one. I want to use them both |
| 20:40.33 | apk | peterS: But why does it spit up if I use dev=1,0,0? |
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| 20:40.36 | peterS | apk: odd that the kernel reports it as sr0 though, as that name was supposed to be deprecated in favor of scd a few years ago |
| 20:40.43 | geo-rge | alexfranci: "the complete debian" is the base of debian either by itself or with some other pkgs :) |
| 20:40.45 | frankr | is there a program I can send stuff to to count how many lines were outputted? |
| 20:40.47 | frankr | were output |
| 20:40.50 | smacnay | peterS: ah, thanks. Isn't that the way with most things in life? :) |
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| 20:40.59 | alexfranci | Azar, yes i did it and it works. what's the runlevel where i have to write startx to start the de? |
| 20:41.01 | frankr | like if I say ps faux | grep someprogram | count then itll output 15 for 15 lines |
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| 20:41.02 | peterS | smacnay: pretty much |
| 20:41.02 | Azar | Karpo: that will surpass my knowledge, all I know the system loads one of the two existing sound modules you use the one you want |
| 20:41.04 | alexfranci | Azar, 2? |
| 20:41.07 | apk | peterS: I have a custom compiled kernel with several patches, so it is probably my fault. |
| 20:41.18 | wols_ | frankr: wc -l |
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| 20:41.36 | jogeek | . |
| 20:41.40 | Azar | alexfranci: if you install minimal you will have to manually install xserver and your video driver |
| 20:41.41 | geo-rge | ( |
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| 20:41.41 | peterS | apk: don't know why it would fail, but we do encourage use of /dev nodes instead of raw SCSI addresses. yes, 'wodim -scanbus' still works, but we recommend 'wodim --devices' instead nowadays |
| 20:41.57 | Azar | alexfranci: on minimal is just the naked os and kernel... |
| 20:42.03 | apk | peterS: Ok. Thanks for your help. |
| 20:42.04 | alexfranci | Azar, ok |
| 20:42.08 | peterS | apk: I assume 1,0,0 is the correct address based on wodim -scanbus? |
| 20:42.14 | apk | peterS: Yes, it is. |
| 20:42.17 | Azar | alexfranci: what video card you are using? |
| 20:42.37 | geo-rge | huhuhu huhuh huhu huhuhuuhuh he said naked huhuhu huhu huhuhuhuhu |
| 20:42.41 | peterS | apk: also, is this a SCSI device, or SATA, or old IDE with the ide-scsi module, or what? |
| 20:42.50 | alexfranci | Azar, i am emulating debian in vmware. however now it works. i had create ~/.xsession |
| 20:42.50 | Azar | geo-rge: forgot to add: butt-naked |
| 20:43.07 | Azar | alexfranci: you walk like a pro :) |
| 20:43.14 | apk | peterS: I think it is an IDE through an SATA bridge. (IBM Thinkpad) |
| 20:43.17 | alexfranci | Azar, muahahaha ;-) |
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| 20:43.43 | peterS | apk: ah so it's accessed through ata_piix or some similar libata driver. yeah then I don't know why the 1,0,0 address wouldn't work fine |
| 20:44.27 | Azar | peterS: I propose the next year Debconf to take place at my home, I cook spaghetti for everyone you guys bring the wine |
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| 20:44.48 | peterS | Azar: sorry, it's already been fixed for some city in Argentina, so unless you're willing to move there in the next year, you won't get your wish |
| 20:45.08 | geo-rge | ok, tried workman and amarok, I need other CD player UI things to try |
| 20:45.15 | Azar | :) omg Argentina... sounds great |
| 20:45.15 | peterS | Azar: you can start lobbying for debconf9 though, for 2 years from now |
| 20:45.27 | Azar | ok :) |
| 20:45.41 | apk | Is Debconf something that would only be of interest to developers, or is it aimed at uses as well? |
| 20:45.46 | smacnay | great!... skype now needs qt libs. |
| 20:45.50 | apk | s/uses/users |
| 20:45.55 | geo-rge | no debconfs in the us anymore, right? |
| 20:46.04 | peterS | apk: mostly developers, but that doesn't just mean registered debian developers, I got a lot out of it last year and I'm not official yet |
| 20:46.12 | Azar | peterS: by then one of you guys here might be the next DD-boss |
| 20:46.12 | geo-rge | you just did! I can do it too! "today"! |
| 20:46.15 | peterS | geo-rge: probably, there are way too many people afraid to travel here because of our government |
| 20:46.28 | geo-rge | of that I have no doubt |
| 20:46.46 | peterS | we've all learned the Lesson of Dmitry |
| 20:47.06 | apk | I vote for having it in Chennai, India. |
| 20:47.22 | Azar | apk is a conference where only the developers attend... and cook the future of Debian |
| 20:47.36 | peterS | apk: if you're serious about that you need to start organising a presentation soon, saying what you can provide for conference venue and such |
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| 20:47.44 | geo-rge | this guy moved out of US to Spain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex9rywP7qYw |
| 20:47.53 | alexfranci | i would like to delete all gnome-stuff. i use fluxbox. can i delete all or are there essential programs? |
| 20:47.57 | peterS | apk: I think they are trying to fix the conference location 18 months in advance now |
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| 20:48.15 | Azar | alexfranci: aptitude remove gnome |
| 20:48.19 | apk | peterS: Oh, I don't live there. I'd just be tempted to go if it was there. |
| 20:48.27 | Azar | I guess will remove all the luggages that came with it |
| 20:48.30 | alexfranci | Azar, only? |
| 20:48.35 | peterS | alexfranci: I have no idea what you consider essential or what you consider gnome-stuff, but you can delete most (if not all) things that say gnome on them without affecting anything about fluxbox itself |
| 20:48.48 | Azar | alexfranci: yes, I see you are an expert but I guess on other linuxes.... :) |
| 20:49.08 | alexfranci | Azar, oh yes. i'm new with apt-stuff :D |
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| 20:49.26 | alexfranci | i am used in compiling things by myself |
| 20:49.34 | geo-rge | alexfranci: you could try to get apt-get to remove the gnome libs |
| 20:49.36 | Azar | alexfranci: if you want to have some thrilling moments in your linux life, read the /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README < guarantee great entertainment |
| 20:49.43 | geo-rge | that should remove gnome |
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| 20:50.08 | Azar | geo-rge: aptitude is more indicated to clean house |
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| 20:50.11 | simonrvn | woot, new hub, that can do 100bT =) |
| 20:50.46 | geo-rge | Azar: yes, and more so if you only used aptitude from the time you first installed on that machine |
| 20:50.52 | Azar | alexfranci: me too using plain X with openbox only |
| 20:51.04 | peterS | simonrvn: heh, I lived for quite a few years on a 10baseT hub (also had a couple of BNC ports) and only bought a 100 mbit switch when the power supply died on the old hub (: |
| 20:51.15 | geo-rge | then you could remove gnome and it would take whatever was installed with it (?) |
| 20:51.17 | Azar | geo-rge: there is never too late to quit smoking...errr to switch to aptitude |
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| 20:51.34 | futex | hello |
| 20:51.42 | geo-rge | jello |
| 20:51.56 | futex | anyone know how can i filter application with iptable? |
| 20:51.56 | peterS | you should spell your nick FuTeX, so we'd know you're a TeX component |
| 20:52.02 | Azar | :) |
| 20:52.05 | simonrvn | peterS: this one was going... a 4-porter, and kept getting errors on the gateway end |
| 20:52.13 | whooper_ | hello.. haven't used linux in a while and just installed debian... wondering if anyone could recommend some usable lightweight window manager (not kde/gnome) to use? |
| 20:52.23 | Azar | geo-rge: ever tried to replace (in writing) the j with h in spanish ? |
| 20:52.24 | simonrvn | peterS: RX packets:2886629 errors:126 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:128 ; TX packets:0 errors:3422327 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:6840644 |
| 20:52.26 | Azar | that would be fun |
| 20:52.38 | geo-rge | whooper_: I dunno, sawfish? fvwm? |
| 20:52.40 | keith4_ | Azar, what's funny about a 6000 line readme? |
| 20:52.46 | lbt | Hi all, given I used apt-get/aptitude to install my system, is there a way to verify files or tell me files that aren't 'owned' by a pkg? |
| 20:52.47 | peterS | simonrvn: yeah, switches are cheap enough now that there's no reason not to replace one that's several years old and showing errors.. |
| 20:52.59 | Azar | whooper_: I use openbox3 for 3 years now and I can say I am pleased... |
| 20:53.15 | peterS | lbt: there is a package called 'cruft' that attempts to find such things |
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| 20:53.23 | futex | i test with iptables -A INPUT -m owner --cmd-owner mlnet -j ACCEPT |
| 20:53.32 | Azar | keith4_: it is not about the letters count or lines count... it is the content .. |
| 20:53.38 | futex | but i have an error message: invalid argumennt |
| 20:53.39 | smacnay | hmm, do I want to upgrade skype and install a bunch of qt libs or hang back for good at the current version and avoid qt.... I will meditate |
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| 20:53.58 | peterS | smacnay: well, despite kde, qt isn't actually _evil_.... (: |
| 20:54.02 | simonrvn | peterS: this baby is a 24-porter hub. a cisco... one of the places i work with WRT IT didn't need it anymore (due to changing uni. policy), so they gave it to me |
| 20:54.05 | lbt | peterS: ah, that's the kind of thing - ta |
| 20:54.13 | peterS | simonrvn: ooh, nice |
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| 20:54.25 | simonrvn | kde just happens to be the most well-known software suite that uses qt |
| 20:54.29 | Azar | more, for whooper_ and anyone who really would like to know; openbox has a new release which is superdammitcool |
| 20:54.50 | simonrvn | peterS: yeh, it's an older model, but it's real sweet |
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| 20:55.03 | whooper_ | Azar: ok... openbox works well on its own? no need for some desktop environment stuff? |
| 20:55.06 | Sativouf | futex: there's a warning about the (non) support of this option in the kernel |
| 20:55.11 | Sativouf | (in the iptables man page) |
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| 20:55.15 | simonrvn | Azar: fluxbox just got an update in debian sid... there's an obox one too? |
| 20:55.23 | simonrvn | whooper_: nope, not at all |
| 20:55.26 | keith4_ | Azar: ah, like the Play Minesweeper stuff? |
| 20:55.29 | futex | yes this option i not supported since 2.6.16 kernel |
| 20:55.30 | Azar | whooper_: yes. me too I have remove all .dm options on my debian |
| 20:55.30 | amar-ze | hi, how to enable userdir with apache2 ? |
| 20:55.40 | keith4_ | amar-ze: a2enmod userdir |
| 20:55.40 | futex | that's the remplacent |
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| 20:55.54 | whooper_ | Azar: do you happen to know if this new release is available for debian testing? :) |
| 20:56.01 | smacnay | peterS: Yes, I suppose, but I was trying to keep my system clear of it. I also see that skype now installs mysql-common as well. Seems there was quite a re-write between last version and newest version. |
| 20:56.02 | Azar | keith4_: that one too. But there are cool tips on how to configure your own way of runnig aptitude.. |
| 20:56.04 | simonrvn | i started using gdm again... as long as it doesn't get in my way, i can deal with it |
| 20:56.08 | peterS | amar-ze: yeah, a2enmod userdir, but you may also wish to edit /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf |
| 20:56.22 | futex | simonrvn: over option replace -cmd-owner ? |
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| 20:56.32 | alexfranci | Azar, 510 mb now free! i love it |
| 20:56.37 | simonrvn | futex: what? |
| 20:56.37 | peterS | smacnay: oooh, mysql ... that means skype is GPL? I thought it was closed-source |
| 20:56.45 | Azar | whooper_: I would assume that if the new openbox has enough requests, it might make it to sid.... then to testing |
| 20:57.03 | simonrvn | Azar: oh no doubt it'll get to sid |
| 20:57.10 | Azar | whooper_: but meanwhile you could use openbox3 |
| 20:57.14 | smacnay | peterS: not sure about that... I know skype's protocol is closed. Not sure about the interface. |
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| 20:57.25 | simonrvn | might have to give the DD in question a poke, but it'll get there |
| 20:57.30 | whooper_ | alright, ill go for openbox.. thanks :) |
| 20:57.30 | wols_ | peterS: it is |
| 20:57.31 | futex | simonrvn: an over option replace --cmd-owner on iptable for filter by application? |
| 20:57.34 | simonrvn | !maint openbox |
| 20:57.37 | futex | sorry for my english... |
| 20:57.38 | Azar | simonrvn: ah , that is so NICE!!! I read the new version's specs and it is so cool |
| 20:57.38 | dpkg | openbox: Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@debian.org> |
| 20:57.42 | peterS | smacnay: it's just that if you use the mysql client library, you either have to have a GPL application, or pay a lot of money to MySQL A.B. to get a special license for your app |
| 20:58.01 | simonrvn | futex: i don't know |
| 20:58.04 | Azar | tehee!!! we gonna email the guy |
| 20:58.09 | wols_ | peterS: skype, owned by ebay surely has enough money now :) |
| 20:58.12 | smacnay | peterS: I am guessing they paid. Not sure though. |
| 20:58.16 | simonrvn | oh, yeh, he's ok, it'll be in soon then |
| 20:58.40 | peterS | simonrvn: in ubuntu anyway (: he does more ubuntu work than debian work nowadays.. |
| 20:58.41 | simonrvn | Azar: i *am* talking of v 3.x, btw |
| 20:58.51 | simonrvn | peterS: oh yeh? damn :/ |
| 20:58.57 | Azar | whooper_: you can allways install openbox3 with aptitude |
| 20:59.01 | peterS | simonrvn: not that he's stopped doing debian work, I'm just sayin' |
| 20:59.07 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 20:59.09 | peterS | he does work for canonical |
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| 20:59.16 | Azar | ah, oh well |
| 20:59.25 | simonrvn | it's all good my friend |
| 20:59.32 | Azar | maybe someone else will do the openbox maint then.. |
| 20:59.54 | amar-ze | peterS keith4_ tnx it works ;) |
| 20:59.57 | pinkfloydhomer | Not strictly a Debian question, but I don't know where to ask: when I use getch() in curses, i can detect d, D, ctrl-d but not alt-d. It just shows up as d. Is this due to the specific terminal I use (xterm, linux console, cygwin, all behave the same), due to curses, or...? Isn't there anyway in a "console"/text mode application that should run in both xterm, cygwin term, linux console etc., to get a more detailed control? I would lik |
| 20:59.58 | pinkfloydhomer | e getch() to give me the all the information available. Say, "d was pressed, so was left alt and right ctrl" or whatever |
| 20:59.59 | ma3x | if I set setxkbmap -option compose:rwin how do I delete it then? |
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| 21:01.22 | peterS | pinkfloydhomer: curses doesn't operate on a level of knowing individual key press/release events like that. it should know that alt-d is not the same as d. but actually the behavior of alt depends on your terminal. xterm has two settings for it, it either adds 128 to the key value, or precedes the key with ESC |
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| 21:02.08 | simonrvn | Azar: http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Openbox:Download |
| 21:02.16 | simonrvn | Azar: have some .debs there |
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| 21:02.36 | simonrvn | Azar: latest in debian: ii openbox 3.3-2.1 |
| 21:02.46 | Azar | simonrvn: so we can get the new one? |
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| 21:04.20 | simonrvn | go see ;) |
| 21:04.29 | Azar | thank you simonrvn :) |
| 21:04.58 | Azar | .... although I am aware that some of the new features will require gnome or kde.. |
| 21:05.05 | whooper | Azar: now running on openbox... :) |
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| 21:05.16 | Azar | whooper: read what I just said.. |
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| 21:05.32 | simonrvn | eh? what? |
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| 21:05.52 | x_link | Hmmm.. when I do df -h it shows that I have used 68GB of my hda. that's impossible. |
| 21:05.57 | Azar | like window transparency.. |
| 21:06.12 | x_link | I only have Debian installed and 2 different versionf of nVIDIA driver. |
| 21:06.27 | x_link | I had a file on 60GB earlier today on that disk, but I removed it. |
| 21:06.32 | x_link | But it seems like it's not removed. |
| 21:06.46 | x_link | I can't see it though. Is there anything I can do about this? |
| 21:07.18 | x_link | Cause I want to make an backup now with Acronis. I don't want it to backup 60GB when it's supposed to be like 2-3.5GB |
| 21:08.38 | simonrvn | oh i don't use that stuff anyway... i'm reading their docs now |
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| 21:09.02 | simonrvn | oh wow |
| 21:09.26 | Azar | wtf I need to login now :) hehe |
| 21:09.30 | x_link | Anybody? |
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| 21:09.37 | simonrvn | i just restarted the wm |
| 21:09.47 | Azar | simonrvn: lots of new looks and goodies :) |
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| 21:09.53 | simonrvn | yes :) |
| 21:10.08 | simonrvn | go read their docs, they talk all about them |
| 21:10.16 | Azar | simonrvn: I read about it two weeks ago, and sighed... I did not know I can just grab it |
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| 21:10.47 | Azar | simonrvn: it also can be upgraded from the previous version.. |
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| 21:11.55 | Azar | x_link: sorry I was reading your question... I wish I knew how to help |
| 21:12.02 | wireddd | I am getting a lot of perl warnings about setting locale failed, what do I need to do to fix this? full warning: http://pastebin.ca/584621 |
| 21:12.33 | x_link | Azar: Okej, thanks. |
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| 21:14.34 | JoelR | If i found a backport i wanted (there are two files in .deb format) how do i do to install them safely? |
| 21:14.39 | JoelR | via aptitude or dpkg? |
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| 21:14.53 | abrotman | man dpkg |
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| 21:15.22 | whooper | Azar: do you know if there is any way to set the background color in openbox btw? |
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| 21:16.00 | wireddd | wow, what a troubled individual |
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| 21:17.44 | N1ckR | heh ! tourets? |
| 21:17.47 | wireddd | nice reaction time stew! |
| 21:17.55 | JoelR | If i found a backport i wanted (there are two files in .deb format) how do i do to install them safely? via dpkg or aptitude? |
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| 21:18.07 | stew | wireddd: phasers were already set on stun |
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| 21:18.13 | wireddd | :) |
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| 21:19.05 | antoszka | Hi guys. I need to migrate a Slackware server to Debian and I'm trying to compile debootstrap on it. Make gives me this error: /dev/MAKEDEV: no support for generic-generic ↠any suggestions? Can't see *anything* relevant on the web. |
| 21:19.14 | jm|laptop | what should I google for for 1to1 or binat iptables? |
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| 21:19.47 | N1ckR | JoelR dpkg worked for me |
| 21:20.04 | geo-rge | ok, tried workman and amarok, I need other CD player UI things to try |
| 21:20.04 | antoszka | jm|laptop: one-to-one full nat iptables, works for me |
| 21:20.12 | geo-rge | suggestions? |
| 21:20.54 | jm|laptop | antoszka: thanks, I'll try :) |
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| 21:21.20 | kemals | is there anyone with 3ware 9650SE controller? |
| 21:21.29 | JoelR | N1ckR, perfectly? |
| 21:21.34 | geo-rge | I'd like one that sortof behaves like workman, it doesn't spend extra time trying to "get" the next track; if they're recorded consecutively, they just go right into the other (amarok doesn't do this) |
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| 21:21.48 | JoelR | N1ckR, in /var/cache/apt/archives i have the old version of the package, and the backport itself.. |
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| 21:22.08 | geo-rge | kemals: problably there's at least one person in the world... |
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| 21:22.17 | N1ckR | dpkg --install path/to/package.deb |
| 21:22.23 | karsten | !tell kemals about anyone |
| 21:22.25 | karsten | !tell kemals about ask |
| 21:22.33 | geo-rge | so ask anyone! |
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| 21:22.40 | kemals | geo-rge ok... heheh but |
| 21:22.43 | kemals | thanks! |
| 21:23.00 | geo-rge | let's get this part straight: do you have one? |
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| 21:23.25 | geo-rge | one thing that would be helpful is some more specifics, especially why you're asking |
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| 21:23.37 | karsten | !tell kemals about smart questions |
| 21:23.41 | mutantpineapple | noob question: how do i adjust mouse sensitivity in X? |
| 21:23.54 | geo-rge | try config file |
| 21:24.01 | geo-rge | or try tickling the mouse |
| 21:24.04 | karsten | kemals: Basically: ask a sensible question about the specific hardware you're using and/or the problems you're experiencing it. |
| 21:24.08 | geo-rge | see if it's already sensitive |
| 21:24.10 | karsten | s/it/with it/ |
| 21:24.16 | antoszka | mutantpineapple: xset m <something> |
| 21:24.19 | antoszka | mutantpineapple: man xset |
| 21:24.23 | mutantpineapple | k cheers |
| 21:24.26 | karsten | mutantpineapple: You can send it to a sensitivity training course ... |
| 21:24.31 | antoszka | mutantpineapple: it's not very flexible, though |
| 21:24.40 | x_link | This is really strange |
| 21:24.45 | mutantpineapple | well i just got a new mouse and it's flying all over the place |
| 21:24.57 | karsten | mutantpineapple: ... or tweak the xorg.conf axis settings, or use a mouse configurator under a GNOME or KDE desktop. |
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| 21:25.00 | mutantpineapple | "why can't you be like my old, dependable mouse |
| 21:25.01 | antoszka | mutantpineapple: you can try fractional values |
| 21:25.11 | antoszka | mutantpineapple: I have xset m 1/10 1 |
| 21:25.13 | geo-rge | wait, a flying mouse? there's a name for that... it's called a "bird"! |
| 21:25.17 | antoszka | mutantpineapple: and it's still too fast |
| 21:25.17 | mutantpineapple | karsten: i don't use gnome or kde |
| 21:25.21 | mutantpineapple | heh |
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| 21:25.27 | antoszka | geo-rge: no, a “bat†|
| 21:25.38 | Azar | whooper: you mean bgcolor on X ? |
| 21:25.43 | geo-rge | that would be the birdie precursor |
| 21:25.56 | antoszka | geo-rge: more of a flying mouse |
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| 21:26.09 | geo-rge | that's what I said that already! |
| 21:26.24 | Nichev1 | how can I force alsa to free the sound device? I always find it busy so that I can't play any sound even when no program should be using the sound device |
| 21:26.28 | mutantpineapple | antoszka: once i've got the right setting, how do i make it permanent? |
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| 21:26.52 | dureyes | can someone recommend me program that is similar to news rover or grabit, where I can do searches....... |
| 21:26.58 | antoszka | mutantpineapple: put it in .bash_profile, or .xsession, or .xinitrc, or whatever script gets loaded after you start your Xsession |
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| 21:27.26 | kemals | i have problem with 3ware controller 9650SE model, as far as i can see problem is bad performace while reading, i am using debian 4.0 and working with raid5 array with 3TB |
| 21:27.27 | antoszka | mutantpineapple: i start my X session with xdm and it reads ~/.xsession for that purpose |
| 21:27.37 | Azar | whooper: on irc.oftc.net there is an #openbox channel where you can ask more questions |
| 21:28.30 | mutantpineapple | antoszka: ok, i'll chuck that line in. cheers |
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| 21:28.51 | karsten | mutantpineapple: Section "InputDevice", Identifier "Mouse0". Set VertScrollDelsta, MinSpeed, MaxSpeed, and AccelFactor. |
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| 21:29.08 | karsten | mutantpineapple: That should be better documented. |
| 21:29.27 | karsten | mutantpineapple: Also HorzrollDelta. |
| 21:30.18 | mutantpineapple | ah, two methods :D i shall have fun with this |
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| 21:30.58 | antoszka | karsten: Is there any documentation for that? Which driver does it apply to? |
| 21:31.13 | antoszka | There are many mouse drivers (evdev, mouse, synaptics...) |
| 21:31.53 | karsten | antoszka: That may be synaptics. |
| 21:31.58 | karsten | antoszka: GIYF. |
| 21:32.08 | antoszka | Mhm.. |
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| 21:32.52 | geo-rge | Gary Izzard, Yankee Farmer?? |
| 21:34.06 | karsten | !GIYF |
| 21:34.06 | dpkg | from memory, giyf is Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux |
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| 21:34.29 | karsten | dpkg: GIYF is also Gary Izzard, Yankee Farmer |
| 21:34.30 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
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| 21:36.21 | jm|laptop | antoszka: I'm not sure I knew what I meant :/ |
| 21:36.43 | jm|laptop | antoszka: I have a /29 and I want to allocate private IPs to each of the five public IPs |
| 21:36.59 | jm|laptop | so all traffic is "forwarded" to the relevant box on my private LAN |
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| 21:37.22 | antoszka | jm|laptop: Then you could just use plain DNAT with masquerade |
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| 21:37.49 | antoszka | jm|laptop: with a separate rule for each of your private box |
| 21:37.52 | jm|laptop | I was just thinking that having read the howtos |
| 21:37.57 | antoszka | jm|laptop: mapped to one of your external addresses |
| 21:38.14 | jm|laptop | antoszka: I'm right to have all the public IPs are aliases on that interface? |
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| 21:38.35 | antoszka | jm|laptop: not even aliases, they can just be equally important |
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| 21:38.48 | antoszka | jm|laptop: if you use iproute2 there's no notion of aliases |
| 21:38.50 | wastro | can someone help me unmount my root filesystem during a live install |
| 21:38.57 | antoszka | jm|laptop: an interface can have any number of addresses |
| 21:38.58 | stew | my gosh, look at the time, i's beer o'clock! happy friday! |
| 21:39.00 | wastro | I mounted it from a harddrive |
| 21:39.03 | jm|laptop | antoszka: I have a queer setup |
| 21:39.06 | drag0 | wazaap :) |
| 21:39.08 | alexfranci | what image viewer for fluxbox can you suggest to me? |
| 21:39.09 | wastro | because it wanted to install on root |
| 21:39.20 | wastro | now it only reports busy |
| 21:39.26 | antoszka | alexfranci: feh or qiv |
| 21:39.36 | drag0 | anyone know I-Doser ? |
| 21:39.53 | antoszka | wastro: lsof, see what tasks has open files on that partition |
| 21:40.11 | wastro | problem is |
| 21:40.17 | wastro | lsof returns everyone and their mother |
| 21:40.22 | wastro | because its the root filesystem |
| 21:40.24 | alexfranci | antoszka, thanks |
| 21:40.26 | jm|laptop | antoszka: DSL router with same extip and intip so that I can [could] route my /29 through it |
| 21:40.29 | wastro | is there a way to filter for partitions? |
| 21:40.41 | antoszka | jm|laptop: that shouldn't make a difference |
| 21:40.54 | karsten | wastro: Filter what? |
| 21:41.06 | antoszka | jm|laptop: where do you want to put your nat rules? |
| 21:41.09 | jm|laptop | antoszka: what I meant was I have eth0 eth0:0 eth0:1 eth0:2 etc. for each of the public IPs |
| 21:41.12 | antoszka | jm|laptop: on that router? |
| 21:41.22 | jm|laptop | on the Linux router - the DSL router is hardware |
| 21:41.27 | wastro | karsten: filter lsof by mounts |
| 21:41.43 | karsten | wastro: grep '/dev/' |
| 21:41.44 | antoszka | jm|laptop: yeah... what I meant is that you can just have eth0 with five addresses instead of using implicit addresses |
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| 21:41.58 | jm|laptop | can I ?!! |
| 21:42.01 | karsten | wastro: ... or cat /proc/mounts and use that as your filter. |
| 21:42.03 | antoszka | jm|laptop: ip address add 10.1.1.1/8 dev eth0; ip address add 10.1.1.2/8 dev eth0; and so on |
| 21:42.09 | antoszka | jm|laptop: no need for aliases |
| 21:42.10 | karsten | jm|laptop: Yes. IP aliasing. |
| 21:42.17 | wastro | ah ok great thanks |
| 21:42.27 | jm|laptop | karsten: atm I _am_ aliasing, aren't I? |
| 21:42.27 | wastro | I didn't see the device column it was getting truncated |
| 21:42.29 | karsten | jm|laptop: .. erm, nevermind. |
| 21:42.30 | jm|laptop | o.O |
| 21:42.38 | karsten | jm|laptop: I'm not paying enough attention. |
| 21:42.47 | antoszka | jm|laptop: yes, but it doesn't matter |
| 21:42.53 | jm|laptop | antoszka: how does that look in /etc/networking/interfaces ? |
| 21:42.58 | antoszka | jm|laptop: you don't have to in any case |
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| 21:43.08 | antoszka | jm|laptop: no idea, I'm not using debian :) |
| 21:43.26 | wastro | lsof doesn't report anything using /dev/sda2 |
| 21:43.32 | wastro | which is the device/partition |
| 21:43.38 | jm|laptop | I have a /29 so I can ifconfig eth0 111.222.333.444/29 ? |
| 21:43.44 | antoszka | wastro: it won't report the device |
| 21:44.04 | antoszka | wastro: it will report directories and files relative to / |
| 21:44.13 | wastro | ok hm |
| 21:44.20 | wastro | is there a way to output device |
| 21:44.21 | wastro | ? |
| 21:44.22 | antoszka | jm|laptop: yes, I don't see why not |
| 21:44.44 | peterS | jm|laptop: good luck trying to convince the internet to accept an address ending in 333.444 (: |
| 21:44.49 | antoszka | hehe |
| 21:44.55 | jm|laptop | petemc: it's internet2 ;) |
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| 21:45.26 | Anthro | How do I use fail2ban-client to find out what IP addresses have been banned? |
| 21:45.28 | peterS | those aren't even valid bytes if they were expressed in octal |
| 21:45.39 | pickcoder | jm|laptop: any luck with the bridge? |
| 21:45.54 | pickcoder | Anthro: iptables --list is easier |
| 21:45.55 | peterS | well, 333 is, but not 444.. |
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| 21:46.49 | antoszka | peterS: they were in fiftal :) |
| 21:46.54 | Anthro | pickcoder: Well, fail2ban claims that there are 12 banned, but there is nothing in iptables. Is it lying to me? |
| 21:46.57 | wastro | I wish I could force unmount my root directory :\ |
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| 21:47.24 | Anthro | wastro: Er... how would that work now? |
| 21:47.35 | antoszka | wastro: if you are warried about losing data and can't by any means umount just sync() and reboot -f |
| 21:47.36 | stew | wastro: why do you want to? |
| 21:47.54 | wastro | well my OS is running from a live install disk |
| 21:48.01 | wastro | and I mounted the root partition for installation |
| 21:48.15 | wastro | but something in ubuntu is using that partition now |
| 21:48.24 | antoszka | wastro: then if you finish all installation processes you shoulr be able to umount |
| 21:48.26 | peterS | antoszka: don't forget, ancient unix admin superstition requires you to sync 3 times |
| 21:48.35 | antoszka | peterS: hehe..:) |
| 21:48.37 | stew | hah |
| 21:48.38 | wastro | well installation is trying to umount |
| 21:48.46 | wastro | im not sure why |
| 21:48.48 | peterS | it's true though. ask any old unix hand. and yes, I still sync 3 times. |
| 21:48.53 | wastro | i guess it didn't expect me to mount it manually |
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| 21:49.16 | antoszka | peterS: recently i discovered the joys of magic-sysrq-key. |
| 21:49.38 | antoszka | peterS: no crashes worry me anymore. sysrq-s; sysrq-b and I'm all happy. |
| 21:49.41 | peterS | antoszka: right, so alt-sysrq-s alt-sysrq-s alt-sysrq-s alt-sysrq-b |
| 21:49.45 | wastro | yeah I'll just restart |
| 21:49.51 | antoszka | peterS: haha |
| 21:49.54 | wastro | but I have to enter my internet key manually again |
| 21:49.55 | wastro | :( |
| 21:49.57 | pickcoder | Anthro: make sure you check the mangle and nat tables |
| 21:50.12 | wastro | ubuntu install, not so great |
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| 21:51.17 | simonrvn | Azar: that chrooted key combo thingy is *nice* |
| 21:51.28 | wastro | maybe I can kill the parted_server |
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| 21:56.53 | geo-rge | parted... -server-?? what is that? |
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| 21:57.19 | geo-rge | you need a server to edit partitions? |
| 21:57.28 | wols_ | no |
| 21:57.35 | antoszka | It's probably the backend. |
| 21:57.39 | geo-rge | whaduzito? |
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| 22:00.11 | tom_ | Hi all, libstdc++.so.5 |
| 22:00.12 | antoszka | 1st |
| 22:00.25 | geo-rge | libstdc++.so.5 says hi to you too |
| 22:00.40 | geo-rge | well it might if it could talk :P |
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| 22:01.21 | geo-rge | btw... by any possible stretch of the imagination, is that some kind of question? :) |
| 22:01.25 | geo-rge | if so |
| 22:01.32 | geo-rge | you might pose it completely :) |
| 22:01.33 | tom_ | Ye's it was to know is you know libstdc++.so.5 |
| 22:01.34 | tom_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.26 | geo-rge | tom_... |
| 22:02.37 | geo-rge | you'll get MUCH better results if you just... |
| 22:02.48 | tom_ | apt-get ? |
| 22:02.50 | geo-rge | -specifically- |
| 22:02.56 | geo-rge | ask your question |
| 22:03.04 | geo-rge | completely, concisely |
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| 22:03.13 | geo-rge | kinda sicc, isn't it |
| 22:03.40 | EruditeHermit | hi, I am unable to open *.gz files with vim. I used to be able to do so. Can anyone help me to get it to work again? |
| 22:03.55 | karsten | EruditeHermit: #vim |
| 22:04.08 | geo-rge | that sounds like some vim plugin (and see: karsten) |
| 22:04.24 | EruditeHermit | ok thanks |
| 22:04.25 | Azar | wow and how a .gz file looks on vim? compressed? like in tiny fonts? |
| 22:04.26 | antoszka | I'd try reinstalling with original configs in /etc |
| 22:04.33 | antoszka | Azar: lol |
| 22:04.37 | EruditeHermit | vim-runtime is isntalled too |
| 22:04.45 | geo-rge | Azar: uncompresses on the fly |
| 22:04.53 | Azar | ahhhhhhhhhhh.... |
| 22:04.54 | geo-rge | or someth8ing like that |
| 22:04.57 | karsten | Azar: And all URLs are automatically converted to tinyurl. |
| 22:05.01 | antoszka | llol |
| 22:05.04 | Azar | :) |
| 22:05.07 | tom_ | Ok you right, Realplayer for linux need this lib : libstdc++.so.5 for work. I try buid essencial for debian and apt-get but no result. For this reason i wandered if you have some idea. |
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| 22:05.12 | karsten | geo-rge: Yeah. Works that way here, not sure why. |
| 22:05.13 | geo-rge | I want a tinygurl |
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| 22:05.43 | Azar | baaahahaha |
| 22:06.01 | karsten | geo-rge: http://tinyurl.com/2eqj49 |
| 22:06.16 | Azar | guys I am bringing the weekly #debian news!!! in few hours is SATURDAY! |
| 22:06.29 | geo-rge | Authorization Required |
| 22:06.31 | geo-rge | :P |
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| 22:06.42 | Azar | bring in all your o/t pains! |
| 22:07.05 | tom_ | some idea geo-rge . |
| 22:07.07 | tom_ | ? |
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| 22:07.55 | geo-rge | well not sure when that particular version of libstdc++ was in debian |
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| 22:08.33 | h3sp4wn | It is still in debian |
| 22:08.55 | geo-rge | oh, so he can just install it if he knows the package name (which I don't) |
| 22:08.59 | h3sp4wn | libstdc++5: usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 |
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| 22:09.12 | pickcoder | http://www.archive.org/details/Robotics1984 |
| 22:09.21 | pickcoder | heh.. Armatron! |
| 22:09.21 | geo-rge | ok, so it's libstdc++5 |
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| 22:09.54 | ale666 | anyone would know how to automate ie or firefox or lynx and get the results using python? |
| 22:09.55 | h3sp4wn | sun-java6-bin | sun-java5-bin (pulls it in otherwise I wouldn't have it) - yes |
| 22:09.59 | Southern | Does anyone know who can I repair an vfat partition?? mount says it can't find superblock :( Thanks on forehand! |
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| 22:10.23 | geo-rge | vfat is linux related today I guess :) |
| 22:10.43 | geo-rge | superblock? vfat? |
| 22:11.19 | Southern | geo-rge, that is what mount says... |
| 22:11.19 | geo-rge | how do you mount |
| 22:11.19 | Southern | and file -s /dev/sda1 returns it's vfat |
| 22:11.19 | Southern | I've got /dev/sda1 in fstab |
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| 22:11.31 | Southern | and I mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 |
| 22:11.32 | karsten | Southern: Usually that's an indication that you're mounting the wrong partition, have it mounted elsewhere, or have misspecified your mount command. |
| 22:11.33 | geo-rge | show the one line in fstab |
| 22:11.40 | Southern | it worked fine this morning but not now anymore :( |
| 22:11.51 | Southern | ok |
| 22:11.53 | antoszka | What does dmesg say on the accoutn? |
| 22:11.59 | antoszka | sutnuntu |
| 22:12.00 | Greyscale_ | Perl gtk packages? |
| 22:12.09 | antoszka | Anyone? |
| 22:12.15 | Southern | /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 22:12.33 | Greyscale_ | antoszka, :P |
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| 22:12.46 | antoszka | Greyscale_: :) |
| 22:12.51 | geo-rge | guys n gals... please help your local debian helper person (which IS NOT me) |
| 22:13.10 | Southern | geo-rge :) |
| 22:13.12 | geo-rge | ask -specific- -complete- questions (which themselves are -complete- sentences) |
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| 22:13.47 | geo-rge | Southern: upgraded anything lately? |
| 22:14.02 | Southern | geo-rge, no... |
| 22:14.08 | Southern | I just did file -s /dev/sda1 again |
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| 22:14.12 | Southern | and it returned this: |
| 22:14.15 | Southern | /dev/sda1: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x3c, OEM-ID "MSWIN4.1", sectors/cluster 64, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 63, sectors 488392002 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 59614, reserved3 0x800000, serial number 0x74c022ac, label: " |
| 22:14.23 | Greyscale_ | Perl gtk packages? anyone? |
| 22:14.36 | geo-rge | Greyscale_: |
| 22:14.39 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 22:14.39 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 22:15.09 | geo-rge | (and remember... me... NOT helper at this moment...) |
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| 22:15.24 | Greyscale_ | What are the Perl gtk packages? |
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| 22:15.42 | stew | Southern: what exactly does it say when you run "mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb0" ? |
| 22:15.55 | geo-rge | probably they are modules for perl that give perl access to various functions in gtk |
| 22:16.14 | Southern | mount: /dev/sda1: no se puede leer el superbloque |
| 22:16.24 | Southern | that means can't read sueprblock |
| 22:16.30 | geo-rge | read the superblock |
| 22:16.37 | Southern | right :) |
| 22:16.41 | geo-rge | last 3 wrds |
| 22:16.45 | Southern | xD |
| 22:16.54 | Southern | how's that¿ xD |
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| 22:18.03 | geo-rge | maybe using perl gtk stuff you can open windows and paint on em using gtk graphic funcs |
| 22:18.35 | geo-rge | or, I don't really know for sure but that's a good guess |
| 22:18.47 | geo-rge | (maybe you can make a better one :) |
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| 22:21.23 | stew | Greyscale_: apt-cache search -n perl gtk |
| 22:21.56 | stew | Southern: what about "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usb0" ? |
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| 22:22.23 | Southern | I think I tried that before... |
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| 22:22.37 | Southern | can't read superblock :( |
| 22:23.15 | stew | Southern: you might run dosfsck then |
| 22:23.20 | geo-rge | hmm, made a backup of the partition? |
| 22:23.31 | Southern | nop... |
| 22:23.38 | Southern | I got my music and all my stuff there |
| 22:23.44 | karsten | Southern: FAT doesn't have superblocks, IIUC, it's got a FAT, and a backup FAT. |
| 22:23.56 | Southern | but what worries me is that someone actually did a backup inside that drive... |
| 22:24.18 | antoszka | I'm off. Cya. |
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| 22:24.30 | Southern | karsten explain your theory please x) |
| 22:25.16 | martiancode | guys usb-irda MA-620 adapter is still unsupported yet? |
| 22:25.26 | Southern | well, let's give dosfsck a try... |
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| 22:25.42 | karsten | Southern: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_File_System |
| 22:25.52 | Southern | ok, let me see :) |
| 22:25.58 | karsten | Southern: superblocks are specific to UFS and related Unix filesystems (including ext2/3) |
| 22:26.26 | karsten | Southern: the "DOS" filesystem uses a File Allocation Table, with *one* backup FAT. |
| 22:26.44 | Southern | karsten how can I be 100% sure of the fs of that partition? |
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| 22:27.22 | karsten | Southern: Try mounting it using different filesystems. |
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| 22:27.34 | karsten | Southern: I'd suggest read-only mounts until you've got it right. |
| 22:27.55 | Enverex | Anyone here got any experience with Autopackage, more specifically on x86_64? It seems to want a library that already exists :/ |
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| 22:28.10 | Southern | karsten you mean adding read-only on fstab? |
| 22:28.18 | karsten | Southern: The "bad superblock" IIUC is just one of the generic messages mount returns. |
| 22:28.27 | karsten | Southern: I'd mount via commandline myself. |
| 22:28.37 | karsten | Southern: 'mount -r -t <filesystem> <device> <mountpoint> |
| 22:28.38 | karsten | ' |
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| 22:29.35 | karsten | Southern: Usually the error is you're mounting the wrong damned thing. USB devices don't always come up on the same device (check dmesg, unplug/replug the stick) and cat /proc/partitions to see what's currently available. |
| 22:29.39 | Southern | karsten thanks, I was confusing myself in the man page x) |
| 22:29.43 | x_link | I removed my Trashcan from my desktop, how can i make it come back? |
| 22:29.57 | karsten | Southern: http://linuxgazette.net/issue65/tag/27.html |
| 22:29.58 | Southern | ok karsten, gonna follow those indications |
| 22:30.05 | Southern | thanks again :) |
| 22:30.05 | karsten | x_link: What desktop? |
| 22:30.09 | x_link | KDE |
| 22:30.13 | Southern | I'll let you know whatever comes out xD |
| 22:30.18 | x_link | I just want to see if a file came there by mistake |
| 22:30.20 | Enverex | x_link, Gnome? Run gconf, Application >> Nautilus >> then itsi n there somewhere |
| 22:30.21 | karsten | x_link: kcontrol, I suspect, is your friend. |
| 22:30.36 | x_link | hmm ok |
| 22:30.47 | DDubya | Guys, I'm trying to make a script to run against my exim mail queue that will kill all the messages in there. I used "exim -bp | grep (beginning of message ID's) > queue.txt" How can I use find or xargs against this file, and ONLY obtain the message ID's? The out put in the text file looks like this "33h 2.1K 1I1MYJ-0007OG-00 <>" |
| 22:30.50 | x_link | There is a file on ~60GB that I can't find anywhere on my /dev/hda. |
| 22:30.54 | x_link | That i removed earlier today |
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| 22:31.54 | karsten | x_link: lsof | grep deleted |
| 22:31.58 | stoned | what? |
| 22:32.06 | x_link | karsten: I removed it a long time ago. |
| 22:32.08 | karsten | stoned: He's on second. |
| 22:32.10 | Southern | karsten, I see this on dmesg |
| 22:32.13 | Southern | sda: assuming drive cache: write through |
| 22:32.13 | Southern | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.13 | Southern | sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda |
| 22:32.13 | Southern | FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sda1) |
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| 22:32.29 | Southern | sorry |
| 22:32.30 | karsten | x_link: Um, OK. So you deleted a file. Now what? |
| 22:32.35 | karsten | !tell Southern about paster |
| 22:32.44 | stoned | it was confuzzling |
| 22:32.46 | x_link | karsten: I don't think it got deleted |
| 22:32.49 | Southern | won't happen again :) |
| 22:32.59 | x_link | Cause when I run df -h it showed I used 68GB on my /dev/hda, that's impossible. |
| 22:33.00 | karsten | x_link: ... OK. |
| 22:33.06 | x_link | I only have Debian + 2 versions of nvidia installed |
| 22:33.18 | x_link | It should be like a couple of GB, that's it. |
| 22:33.19 | stoned | x_link: what did you do now? |
| 22:33.21 | karsten | x_link: And why do you say I don't think it got deleted? |
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| 22:33.26 | stoned | bad by |
| 22:33.29 | stoned | boy* |
| 22:33.31 | x_link | karsten: Cause that file was on ~60GB |
| 22:33.41 | x_link | And df -h shows 68GB is used |
| 22:33.42 | karsten | x_link: We heard you twice the first time. |
| 22:33.49 | x_link | ok |
| 22:33.55 | x_link | THen why ask again? =) |
| 22:34.00 | stoned | x_link: quit deletin stuff man |
| 22:34.08 | karsten | x_link: If you delete a file that's open by another process, the bits don't disappear until you close the filehandle. |
| 22:34.10 | x_link | stoned: It was one file that I didn't need. |
| 22:34.26 | x_link | karsten: I have rebooted the computer as well. |
| 22:34.36 | karsten | x_link: That's what lsof | grep deleted will tell you: open handles to deleted files. Close the handle or kill theprocess, you'll get your space back. |
| 22:34.44 | karsten | x_link: That would be sufficient to close the filehandle. |
| 22:34.53 | karsten | x_link: So you think the file's lurking somewhere else, right? |
| 22:35.09 | x_link | karsten: It might yeah. |
| 22:35.41 | karsten | x_link: 'du' is your friend. 'du -s $( ls -A <path>)' | sort -nr | head -20 |
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| 22:35.52 | x_link | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/26811/ |
| 22:35.54 | x_link | Iget that output |
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| 22:36.17 | jm|laptop | :( |
| 22:37.08 | karsten | x_link: Those are all PTYs, not an issue. The file isn't open if you've rebooted. Try du. 'filelight' is a nice graphical disk-space monitoring utility. |
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| 22:38.18 | x_link | karsten: Du shows nothing "not normal" |
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| 22:39.04 | karsten | x_link: The 'ls -a' subshell was in there to list all dotfiles in your home directory, assuming that's where you're running. |
| 22:39.17 | karsten | x_link: If it's not there, it's somewhere else. Use du to find it. |
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| 22:40.15 | x_link | I just did "du", doesn't show anything wrong |
| 22:41.15 | Southern | karsten, could you take a look at this please? http://pastebin.ca/584795 Thanks! |
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| 22:42.54 | karsten | !tell groznY about away |
| 22:43.27 | groznY | tks |
| 22:43.30 | karsten | Southern: What's that output of? |
| 22:43.43 | stoned | tks? |
| 22:43.53 | Southern | it's a fragment of dmesg |
| 22:43.53 | stoned | !tks |
| 22:43.53 | dpkg | ur wlcme, stoned |
| 22:44.04 | stoned | omyfriiggin god |
| 22:44.14 | stoned | you cant bother to spell out thanks? |
| 22:44.24 | stoned | jeez |
| 22:44.25 | karsten | stoned: kthxbye |
| 22:44.28 | stoned | lol |
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| 22:45.18 | groznY | stoned seems like u understood what i said |
| 22:45.33 | karsten | Urban Dictionary, kthyxbye: shortening of "k thx bye". The K is short for OK, which is short for oll korrect, which is a facetious alteration of All Correct. thx is short for thanx which is a facetious alteration of thanks which is short for thank you. Bye is short for goodbye, which is an alteration of alteration of God be with you. "kthxbye" is the pinnacle of English's advancement, shortening "All correct, Thank you, God be with you." into seven |
| 22:45.35 | stoned | groznY: after I asked the bot sure |
| 22:45.57 | x_link | stoned: Sup? |
| 22:46.00 | stoned | hi buddy |
| 22:46.03 | x_link | =) |
| 22:46.06 | x_link | My main man |
| 22:46.07 | Azar | mister stoned! |
| 22:46.28 | stoned | lol |
| 22:46.30 | groznY | stoned ur a wise guy then |
| 22:46.37 | x_link | stoned: Why didn't you came to visit on my birthday =/ |
| 22:46.38 | stoned | groznY: thank you kind sir |
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| 22:46.43 | x_link | 5 days ago |
| 22:46.55 | stoned | x_link: cuz you live in another country, happy belated birthday |
| 22:47.03 | x_link | hehe thanks |
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| 22:47.47 | stoned | Azar: dell sued by the state of ny I read somewhere becuase of their financing things |
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| 22:48.12 | Azar | stoned: hehe well no surprise, ny sues anyone for anything... money suckers |
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| 22:48.29 | stoned | Azar: yeh man, the tickets here are crazy, and the fines and what not |
| 22:48.37 | Azar | dell didn't pay the ny tax it seems |
| 22:48.44 | mtomczak | Greetings all! I'm thinking of purchasing a USB wireless optical mouse for my Debian machine. Does anyone have any suggestions for particularly good models? |
| 22:48.49 | stoned | where I live you don't pay tax |
| 22:48.50 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:49.06 | Azar | watch the indian reservation terrorized by ny because they "still" don't want to pay sales taxes |
| 22:49.11 | stoned | mtomczak: it depends on what you need/want |
| 22:49.24 | stoned | mtomczak: what kind of functionality are you wanting in a mouse |
| 22:49.41 | Azar | smooth vibrations maybe |
| 22:49.43 | stoned | mtomczak: how many buttons do you want? |
| 22:50.00 | mtomczak | Nothing too fancy. Reliable, three buttons, mouses on whatever smooth surface I happen to have handy :) |
| 22:50.05 | Azar | vibromouse.. ah ms missed that chance to invent it |
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| 22:50.26 | mtomczak | My issue is that my tower is in a really weird place, and I don't have room on the desk to sit in front of it. I tend to compute from fifteen feet away ;) |
| 22:50.32 | stoned | mtomczak: I have a cheap 7$ wired optical mouse |
| 22:50.44 | Azar | have a good day, stoned... going lunch see you later |
| 22:50.44 | stoned | mtomczak: just look on newegg.com and find something |
| 22:50.56 | stoned | Azar: have a good one |
| 22:50.57 | mtomczak | Good call. |
| 22:51.42 | mtomczak | Is there anything to watch out for? I know Deb's driver support for input devices is awesome these days, but I've been burned before buying cheap hardware that turns out to be very Windows-specific. |
| 22:52.06 | stoned | noithing really |
| 22:52.12 | Guerin | mousen are quite generic |
| 22:52.18 | mtomczak | (Mostly due to nasty tricks like having part of the hardware's internal code be in the Windows driver, loaded into the hardware's firmware on first run) |
| 22:52.22 | stoned | mousen? |
| 22:52.39 | stoned | don't you mean mice? |
| 22:52.46 | Guerin | stoned: to distinguish between the one on my desk and the one my cat brings in |
| 22:53.07 | stoned | but the plural of mouse is mice |
| 22:53.22 | Guerin | the plural of computer mouse is `mousen' |
| 22:53.38 | stoned | I didn't know it got as specific |
| 22:53.42 | stoned | I just call it mouse/mice |
| 22:53.48 | stoned | mousen is too much word |
| 22:54.30 | Guerin | box -> boxen; mouse -> mousen; virus -> viruxen |
| 22:54.36 | stoned | boxen? |
| 22:54.41 | stoned | boxes man, c'mon |
| 22:54.42 | Guerin | OS -> OSen |
| 22:54.55 | Guerin | it is the law |
| 22:55.22 | h3sp4wn | Only time I have seen anyone using that is with regards to vax computers (vaxen) |
| 22:55.30 | Guerin | and there's another one |
| 22:55.37 | stoned | what about ox/oxen? |
| 22:55.42 | stoned | they are not related to computers in any way |
| 22:55.48 | stoned | shouldn't they be called ox/oxes |
| 22:56.04 | Guerin | no, oxoxen is ancient |
| 22:56.13 | stoned | ah convenient |
| 22:56.27 | stoned | oh bugger who am I talking to |
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| 22:56.35 | stoned | this guys invents a new friggin thing every day |
| 22:56.39 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:56.56 | stoned | hey Guerin got any more acronyms I should know about lately |
| 22:57.40 | x2180 | viruxen sounds a lot like vixen with a drunken slur |
| 22:58.18 | x2180 | where does the x come from anyway? shouldn't it at least be virusen? |
| 22:58.33 | Guerin | x2180: it comes from ox and box and vax |
| 22:58.43 | Guerin | do not question the LAW! |
| 22:58.47 | x2180 | i mean there's no x in virus, heh |
| 22:58.55 | x2180 | otherwise, mouse should be mousexen |
| 22:58.56 | Guerin | you could argue in favour of mouxen |
| 22:58.59 | Guerin | heh |
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| 22:59.10 | Guerin | but that would just be silly |
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| 22:59.16 | x2180 | mousex? heh |
| 22:59.26 | x2180 | which sounds like a window manager similar to ratpoison |
| 23:02.11 | simonrvn | mousen |
| 23:02.38 | simonrvn | mice |
| 23:02.46 | mtomczak | Geeze. Amazon.com's 'my' tab is _scary_. |
| 23:03.05 | mtomczak | I want to know what voodoo magic they are using, and how to shield my mind from its probing rays. |
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| 23:03.27 | mtomczak | It's usually where I go for hardware purchases. |
| 23:03.29 | simonrvn | um, a) none b) don't go |
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| 23:03.54 | simonrvn | i'll never grok this "online shopping" shite |
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| 23:04.06 | mtomczak | Newegg is cheaper until I factor in shipping. But that's because I'm not usually buying 'mouse, keyboard, and hard disk...' I'm usually buying 'mouse, book, and toaster oven.' |
| 23:04.17 | wastro | can anyone recommend a good terminal |
| 23:04.25 | simonrvn | xterm |
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| 23:04.47 | wastro | does xterm have tabs |
| 23:04.53 | wastro | ive used it for basics before |
| 23:04.56 | h3sp4wn | It can do if you use screen |
| 23:04.57 | bonez44 | I am setting up a new hdd..I want to set it up for ext3...would it be mke2fs /dev/hdg to set it up? |
| 23:04.58 | simonrvn | no. why tabs? |
| 23:05.15 | simonrvn | clickety clackety |
| 23:05.18 | wastro | i like to develop with a couple tabs |
| 23:05.36 | wastro | watching logs etc |
| 23:05.47 | simonrvn | develop RSI maybe ? ;p |
| 23:05.49 | wastro | does xterm have transparancy built-in yet? |
| 23:06.40 | simonrvn | bonez44: you'll want the journal option (-j or -J, can't recall) |
| 23:06.46 | simonrvn | no |
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| 23:12.26 | tbamr | open SCREEN in linux, then in one of the SCREEN, open ssh somehost and then open SCREEN there again. Press CTRL-a-c. Where does the new SCREEN window get created ? |
| 23:12.45 | tbamr | :P |
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| 23:13.04 | x2180 | tbamr: easy, on the local machine |
| 23:13.12 | x2180 | i've dealt with that before and was like ;_; |
| 23:13.16 | Piet | what's your experiences with grub2? is it useable, yet? |
| 23:13.18 | tbamr | x2180: haha :) |
| 23:13.29 | Southern | karsten, remember the weird bad superblock?? I f*cking fixed it!!! :D :D :D |
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| 23:13.43 | Southern | I feel so high xD |
| 23:14.03 | tbamr | x2180: ok how do you get SCREEN to work on ssh host then ? |
| 23:14.09 | tbamr | ;_; |
| 23:14.22 | x2180 | tbamr: by not using it within screen on the local machine |
| 23:14.35 | tbamr | x2180: that's hardly a solution |
| 23:14.38 | x2180 | heh |
| 23:14.44 | x2180 | well it works for me :P |
| 23:15.00 | x2180 | but i think you're supposed to do ctrl+a twice or something like that, i don't remember |
| 23:15.02 | tbamr | x2180: i know. it's ridiculous isn't it. there should be a way around it though |
| 23:15.06 | simonrvn | bind the activation key to something else other than ctrl-a |
| 23:15.11 | x2180 | that too |
| 23:15.22 | stew | tbamr: 'ctrl-a a' will send a ctrl-a to the other instance |
| 23:15.25 | x2180 | but that's annoying because then you have different keys for each screen session >.< |
| 23:15.45 | tbamr | hrmm... yes i agree |
| 23:15.51 | x2180 | it's like japanese translations, where you type like a ton of letters and only one or two things happen on the screen |
| 23:15.54 | simonrvn | see what stew said |
| 23:15.57 | MangosDebian | stew: just the fact that you know that keystroke distrubs me ;) |
| 23:16.24 | MangosDebian | least you didnt say ctrl-a a, ctrl-a a, a :) |
| 23:16.26 | stew | ctrl-a is 'beginning-of-line' in emacs, which is why i know that |
| 23:16.47 | MangosDebian | double screens make my brain hurt though |
| 23:16.54 | stew | which is also why i don't use ctrl-a as the screen key, becuase beginning-of-line is too useful in emacs and readline |
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| 23:17.07 | MangosDebian | stew: i think ctrl-a is a readline thing |
| 23:17.12 | simonrvn | you can add w3m to that list, stew |
| 23:17.17 | MangosDebian | nm, what you said :) |
| 23:17.22 | tbamr | hahaha |
| 23:17.44 | x2180 | i use tabs for different screen sessions, heh |
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| 23:18.02 | x2180 | because i ssh a bunch and its easier to keep track of which machine i'm on that way |
| 23:18.12 | x2180 | and then just run screen on the remote machine in a tab |
| 23:18.12 | simonrvn | i have different screen confs for different purposes ;) |
| 23:18.13 | tbamr | stew: not working |
| 23:18.17 | karsten | Southern: How? |
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| 23:19.28 | simonrvn | i'm liking this "new" hub |
| 23:19.34 | tbamr | stew i opened screen; then opened ssh somehost; then screen in that host; then ctrl-a a won't work |
| 23:19.49 | stew | simonrvn: actually a 100bt hub? not switch? nice |
| 23:19.52 | karsten | tbamr: C-a-a |
| 23:20.04 | simonrvn | stew: yeh, 10/100bT |
| 23:20.05 | stew | tbamr: dunno, it should |
| 23:20.06 | karsten | tbamr: In general, avoid nesting screen sessions. |
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| 23:21.25 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: a hub?! get with the times lol |
| 23:21.45 | ludakot | hi, is there a tool/config file that i can use to add whole subnet of ips at once, not to bother with /sbin/ifconfig? |
| 23:21.49 | simonrvn | i'll get with the times when they get with me |
| 23:22.40 | simonrvn | in soviet russia? |
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| 23:23.11 | karsten | simonrvn: In soviet russia, the times do you. |
| 23:23.19 | karsten | simonrvn: ... get with you. |
| 23:23.23 | karsten | hrm. |
| 23:23.27 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:23.31 | MangosDebian | nice try though |
| 23:23.37 | simonrvn | already covered that ;) |
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| 23:23.50 | karsten | Yeah, yeah. |
| 23:23.52 | simonrvn | 2 points for trying ;) |
| 23:24.03 | Ardi | hi to all ... how can i change the language of the system using ssh from german to english |
| 23:24.24 | karsten | Ardi: export LANG=<value> ssh user@remotehost |
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| 23:24.56 | karsten | Ardi: ... or clarify your question. Are you trying to change locale for an SSH session, or change system LOCALE remotely via ssh? |
| 23:25.01 | Southern | karsten, fsck.msdos -a |
| 23:25.05 | karsten | Ardi: For the latter, ssh doesn't matter at all. |
| 23:25.07 | karsten | Southern: OK. |
| 23:25.14 | karsten | Southern: Unclean umount or something? |
| 23:25.16 | tbamr | karsten: x2180 steve simonrvn "Ctrl-a Ctrl-a" |
| 23:25.17 | Southern | If I only ran fsck.msdos it would leave it undone... |
| 23:25.44 | karsten | tbamr: ?? |
| 23:25.45 | Southern | karsten, dunno... Plugged it in a windows pc and it didn't read it... then returned to linux and the show started x) |
| 23:25.50 | Ardi | karsten: change system local from a remote sesion |
| 23:25.52 | karsten | Southern: Dig. |
| 23:26.02 | karsten | Ardi: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:26.20 | tbamr | karsten: switching between nested screen |
| 23:26.31 | tbamr | karsten: btw, hello. :) |
| 23:27.01 | Southern | karsten, what does dig mean? |
| 23:27.08 | karsten | !dig |
| 23:27.08 | dpkg | dig is, like, part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail, or (informally) ack == ok == right == your beneficent and gracious presence and contributions to this universe are hereby recognized by sundry and all. |
| 23:27.14 | simonrvn | i use that sequence to change bet. alternating screen windows |
| 23:27.36 | simonrvn | !ack |
| 23:27.36 | dpkg | *ACK* *ACK* *ACK* |
| 23:27.42 | karsten | tbamr: We've met? |
| 23:27.47 | Southern | karsten, thank you? |
| 23:27.49 | hermogenes | Ardi: what do you mean by "change the system language"? |
| 23:27.50 | Southern | hehe |
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| 23:27.54 | karsten | Southern: Dig. |
| 23:28.01 | karsten | !locales |
| 23:28.01 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 23:28.09 | karsten | Ardi: ^^ |
| 23:28.47 | simonrvn | all that .emacs hacking made my emacs bloat... gonna have to trim stuff... |
| 23:28.54 | hermogenes | Ardi: do you mean changing the language used by gnome or kde for a particular user? |
| 23:28.56 | Ardi | hermogenes: all the system is in german like i issue a netstat and all parameters came out in german i just want to have english as a language so i can understand what is going on |
| 23:28.56 | tbamr | !vi |
| 23:28.56 | dpkg | i guess vi is said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
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| 23:29.16 | hermogenes | Ardi: oh |
| 23:29.34 | hermogenes | Ardi: dpkg-reconfigure locales (as root) |
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| 23:30.11 | Southern | karsten, what did you mean then? :) |
| 23:30.12 | simonrvn | tbamr: it was running leaner than vim (vim-full) at 37-ish MB virtual, now it's 50-ish |
| 23:30.31 | tbamr | geez |
| 23:30.45 | simonrvn | i kept adding stuff for it to load ;) |
| 23:31.27 | tbamr | simonrvn: that's just gonna make you hell slow programmer. too much bloat in code => too much beer in your stomach |
| 23:31.38 | tbamr | :) |
| 23:31.46 | simonrvn | i don't drink ;p |
| 23:32.05 | simonrvn | but i know what you mean |
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| 23:32.35 | tbamr | :) |
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| 23:32.41 | simonrvn | 53664 39m 9.9m 13m 0.3 15.7 1:36.14 S 24053 24631 emacs-snapshot-gtk |
| 23:32.45 | hermogenes | the dpkg bot seems to be a vi user... |
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| 23:34.10 | smps | anyone of you using 3ware sata raid controller ? |
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| 23:34.43 | war | smps: I have , why? |
| 23:34.44 | hermogenes | emacs rules. |
| 23:35.00 | smps | war, i got some performance issues on 3ware 9650SE controller |
| 23:35.01 | simonrvn | they both rock, IMO. i still use vim often |
| 23:35.13 | smps | war, i have raid5 with 7 x 500GB seagate disks |
| 23:35.23 | Ardi | Thank you guys ... and another think what is the package manager for debian like yum and yast ? |
| 23:35.31 | smps | war, and writing is not going over 3MB/s |
| 23:35.33 | war | smps ye |
| 23:35.37 | war | smps there is a bug with some motherboards |
| 23:35.38 | simonrvn | emacs is rather more tweakable though, admittedly |
| 23:35.45 | smps | war, what kind of bug ? |
| 23:35.48 | h3sp4wn | Ardi: aptitude |
| 23:35.52 | war | smps some motherboards don't support a special interrupt option io/dma on pci-e |
| 23:35.59 | war | smps so you need to get a motherboard fix and in some cases there isn't one |
| 23:36.04 | stew | Ardi: in general, if you are looking for a package manager, aptitude should be your first choice. or tell us what yum and or yast do that aptitude doesn't |
| 23:36.05 | war | smps look it up on their knowledge base |
| 23:36.09 | war | smps, known bug unfroutanetly |
| 23:36.10 | smps | war, how can i check it ? |
| 23:37.15 | smps | war, are you talking about "Use memory write and invalidate" ? |
| 23:38.37 | ludakot- | is there a tool/config file that i can use to add whole subnet of ips at once, not to bother with /sbin/ifconfig? |
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| 23:39.20 | Enverex | Does the MS Biometric scanner work in Linux yet? |
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| 23:48.24 | war | smps: hm |
| 23:48.29 | war | smps: sounds familiar |
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| 23:49.08 | smps | war, how i know, "Use memory write and invalidate" cant be turned on onto pci-e card slot |
| 23:49.20 | smps | war, its hardwired onto 0 in specification of pci-e |
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