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| 00:01.08 | cammoblammo | Email sent to me@machinename don't get through anymore, but if I send them to me@localhost they do. This has only happened since I upgraded exim4 a couple of days ago. Any idea what might be wrong? |
| 00:03.04 | geo-rge | wastro: instead of asking for everyone to reply to you if they use something (would waste physical bandwidth and also channel bandwidth (makes channel temporary not so useful)... try asking someone (NOT me please, I'm NOT a helper) the actual question you intended to ask |
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| 00:23.27 | grendal_prime | ok anyone had luck restoring a mbr from a partimage file? |
| 00:23.57 | grendal_prime | keeps telling me it cant read the 0 block on the image file. |
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| 00:27.17 | Absolute0 | it |
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| 00:31.09 | Absolute0 | i cant see any thing when i open firefox besides the black foreground heres my .Xdefaults file: http://rafb.net/p/TVwL9R31.html, anyone see the problem? |
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| 00:31.15 | mmlj4 | whatever you do, don't do dd bs=512 if=/dev/random of=/dev/hda1 |
| 00:31.30 | Absolute0 | *URXVT |
| 00:31.46 | Absolute0 | i cant see any thing when i open urxvt besides the black foreground heres my .Xdefaults file: http://rafb.net/p/TVwL9R31.html, anyone see the problem? |
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| 00:33.25 | geo-rge | what if you don't have the xdefaults in that placs |
| 00:33.59 | geo-rge | mmlj4: umm... yeah :) right :) |
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| 00:34.39 | geo-rge | mmlj4: who asked you to do that? |
| 00:34.39 | Absolute0 | geo-rge: than it works fine but the fonts stink |
| 00:34.52 | Absolute0 | i need black background and gray foreground especially for irssi |
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| 00:34.57 | h3sp4wn | Absolute0: Are you certain its actually being read ? (use xrdb -query) |
| 00:35.03 | Absolute0 | and terminus fonts help too |
| 00:35.38 | h3sp4wn | (or you are explicitly referencing it from .xinit or .xsession) |
| 00:35.40 | geo-rge | Absolute0: ok, then see if you can get from the system what it thinks the defaults are and put those in a different xdefaults file, put it in that place, then see if changing that file has any effect... if so, edit that :) |
| 00:35.44 | Absolute0 | h3sp4wn: yup its there |
| 00:36.19 | Absolute0 | geo-rge: editing the file does nothing |
| 00:36.29 | mmlj4 | <grendal_prime> ok anyone had luck restoring a mbr from a partimage file? |
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| 00:37.21 | geo-rge | ok, tried workman and amarok, I need other CD player UI things to try |
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| 00:37.57 | geo-rge | amarok doesn't play the tracks right after each other (if they happen to be laid out on the disk that way) |
| 00:38.07 | edju | I've been googling in circles. Isn't there a way to make a deb file from a source tarball? If so, I could use a pointer. |
| 00:38.09 | geo-rge | I kinda need one that does |
| 00:38.13 | h3sp4wn | Absolute0: http://paste.debian.net/31147 |
| 00:39.01 | h3sp4wn | (That is the syntax I use - but in .Xresources (I thought .Xdefaults wasn't enabled in debian by default) |
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| 00:39.18 | geo-rge | edju: well, that's what packagers do (but they -author- the packaging so it installs right and plays well with other packages, like that) |
| 00:39.47 | geo-rge | and yes, that[s a very large extensive subject |
| 00:39.54 | geo-rge | now, having said all that... |
| 00:40.15 | geo-rge | you can get these dir things called "debian source packages" |
| 00:40.21 | geo-rge | and they already make debs |
| 00:40.33 | Absolute0 | h3sp4wn: i changed the periods to * and ran xrdb again and still no resolution |
| 00:40.48 | geo-rge | because the authoring was already done |
| 00:41.08 | h3sp4wn | Absolute0: Are you running it as - urxvt (directly) |
| 00:41.08 | geo-rge | edju: get all that |
| 00:41.10 | geo-rge | ? |
| 00:41.13 | LoneWlf | anyone know of a par2 tool for rejoining files? this is getting fairly old |
| 00:41.15 | Absolute0 | yes |
| 00:41.20 | Absolute0 | urxvt directly |
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| 00:41.32 | h3sp4wn | Absolute0: (i.e start it - from inside another instance of it) |
| 00:41.40 | Absolute0 | lets |
| 00:41.41 | Absolute0 | see |
| 00:42.11 | Absolute0 | h3sp4wn: that doesnt help |
| 00:42.15 | edju | geo-rge, Yes, I got it. So for peons like me, the answers no for just any ole tarball. Ah, well - so it goes. |
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| 00:42.20 | Absolute0 | i am able to use urxvt just no echo |
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| 00:42.58 | geo-rge | edju: but it's better than that |
| 00:43.05 | geo-rge | you'd think that :) |
| 00:43.08 | geo-rge | but it is better |
| 00:43.14 | geo-rge | for example |
| 00:43.19 | h3sp4wn | Absolute0: Actually I think I know why |
| 00:43.23 | geo-rge | there is www.debian.org/devel |
| 00:43.36 | geo-rge | and there is debian-mentors@lists.debian.org |
| 00:43.40 | h3sp4wn | Absolute0: urxvt only has 88 colours |
| 00:43.45 | h3sp4wn | Absolute0: so grey80 won't work |
| 00:43.48 | Absolute0 | h3sp4wn: removing the .Xdefaults files fixes it but now its the default black font on white |
| 00:44.07 | geo-rge | and there's lots of little tools that help you package |
| 00:44.09 | Absolute0 | h3sp4wn: well i used gray80 before and it worked |
| 00:44.14 | h3sp4wn | Absolute0: With xterm ? |
| 00:44.18 | Absolute0 | i tried white and it still didnt work so that cant be it |
| 00:44.34 | Absolute0 | i put urxvt.foreground: white |
| 00:44.48 | Absolute0 | and hehe |
| 00:44.54 | Absolute0 | i left out an e in foreground |
| 00:44.55 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 00:44.59 | Absolute0 | silly me |
| 00:45.00 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 00:45.02 | geo-rge | debhelper is a collection of programs (each has its own man page) that takes care of a little piece of makiong a .deb from a debian source package |
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| 00:51.04 | geo-rge | it seems we're looking at the end of an era... people aren't so hot on either gnome or kde |
| 00:51.53 | geo-rge | edju: do you know C? |
| 00:52.27 | karsten | geo-rge: Howzat? |
| 00:52.33 | karsten | geo-rge: WRT not so hot on ... ? |
| 00:53.02 | geo-rge | well it seems at least today there's a coupla people who'd rather use an actual wm rather than those |
| 00:53.26 | karsten | geo-rge: Well, count me among them. However the great unwashed masses will run whatever's default on the system. |
| 00:53.43 | Absolute0 | can i transfer songs from ipod to system with rythmbox? |
| 00:53.49 | geo-rge | that would be de fault of the system... |
| 00:54.07 | geo-rge | well that's one way of looking at it :)_ |
| 00:54.48 | geo-rge | Absolute0: when you hook ipod, how can you see what's in there? |
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| 00:55.20 | Absolute0 | geo-rge: i see where you're going but that won't preserve the name tags :-P |
| 00:55.48 | Absolute0 | i guess i am stuck with isntalling amarok |
| 00:55.48 | geo-rge | oic, so there is additional data associated with each file |
| 00:55.59 | Absolute0 | yup |
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| 00:56.17 | geo-rge | I knew there was a reason I didn't get an ipod :) |
| 00:56.24 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 00:56.26 | Absolute0 | what did you get? |
| 00:56.34 | geo-rge | nothing like that |
| 00:56.43 | geo-rge | aka nothing :) |
| 00:56.53 | geo-rge | I got a ham radio :) |
| 00:56.59 | Absolute0 | nice |
| 00:57.01 | geo-rge | it doesn't quite do the same thing tho... |
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| 00:57.19 | Absolute0 | there was some linux-type firmware for ipods |
| 00:57.25 | Absolute0 | but it didnt support my version |
| 00:57.34 | mmlj4 | got a license to go with that thing? |
| 00:57.34 | Absolute0 | maybe they added support by now |
| 00:57.36 | Absolute0 | let me check |
| 00:57.45 | Absolute0 | something like roxbox.. |
| 00:57.50 | geo-rge | so yours might be too new maybe? |
| 00:58.14 | Absolute0 | i have the nano 2nd gen |
| 00:58.44 | geo-rge | nano cabano Owen Spano |
| 00:58.54 | Absolute0 | hehe |
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| 00:59.02 | Absolute0 | by the way debian is one awesome distro! |
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| 00:59.16 | geo-rge | actually no... |
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| 00:59.23 | Absolute0 | now i just need to get a nice laptop to install it to |
| 00:59.23 | geo-rge | it's many awesome dists |
| 00:59.28 | Absolute0 | huh? |
| 00:59.30 | geo-rge | sid, testing, |
| 00:59.37 | geo-rge | stable, oldstable |
| 00:59.41 | Absolute0 | sid is a rep? |
| 00:59.44 | Absolute0 | repo? |
| 00:59.45 | geo-rge | it' |
| 00:59.51 | geo-rge | s at least gettable |
| 01:00.08 | Absolute0 | repos are not distros! |
| 01:00.28 | Absolute0 | most distros have similar names repositories. |
| 01:00.37 | Absolute0 | *named |
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| 01:01.12 | geo-rge | distro -> distribution... if someone says to you, "get the gnu hello source distribution", you can find that at ftp.gnu.org, I think it's in /pub/hello? |
| 01:01.26 | Absolute0 | huh? |
| 01:01.43 | geo-rge | that's using the word "distribution" in a somewhat different sense |
| 01:02.08 | geo-rge | a source distribution of some program is usually a tarball containing that source code |
| 01:02.11 | Absolute0 | geo-rge: lets just end the conversation because i dont know what you're talking about |
| 01:02.14 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 01:02.20 | Absolute0 | oh ok |
| 01:02.46 | Absolute0 | well distro or distribution just by itself is assumably a linux distribution |
| 01:02.53 | geo-rge | it's still someone putting something on an ftp site and saying "here, have this" |
| 01:02.57 | geo-rge | distribution |
| 01:02.58 | Absolute0 | with linus's kernel and the whole nine yards |
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| 01:03.24 | geo-rge | the source code of the kernel, you can get the distribution of that source |
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| 01:03.52 | geo-rge | you can get the gcc distribution, which is just the source code of gcc |
| 01:04.21 | Absolute0 | when will lenny become stable? |
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| 01:04.43 | geo-rge | lenny is a nut... not too stable, I'd say... |
| 01:04.51 | Absolute0 | lol |
| 01:05.01 | Absolute0 | geo-rge: are you on some sort of debian-crack? |
| 01:05.06 | geo-rge | lenny kravitz? |
| 01:05.26 | geo-rge | I'm just |
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| 01:05.29 | geo-rge | being creative |
| 01:05.40 | Absolute0 | i know :-P |
| 01:05.41 | geo-rge | you can do it |
| 01:05.42 | geo-rge | too |
| 01:06.09 | qrck | ack! |
| 01:06.12 | qrck | my bad luck |
| 01:06.12 | minerale | can I perform an apt-cache search but exclude X based applications? I'm looking for a text (curses?) based rss reader |
| 01:06.27 | qrck | i loose |
| 01:06.36 | karsten | minerale: apt-cache search | grep -v <pattern> |
| 01:06.51 | hermogenes | minerale: raggle and snownews |
| 01:06.57 | Absolute0 | minerale: apt-cache search <general keyword> | grep <specific word> |
| 01:07.03 | Absolute0 | what karsten said |
| 01:07.04 | Absolute0 | :-P |
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| 01:07.18 | geo-rge | Absolute0: think about... |
| 01:07.25 | geo-rge | what -v means to grep |
| 01:07.29 | hermogenes | minerale: debtags is good for this kind of job |
| 01:07.33 | Absolute0 | inverse? |
| 01:07.33 | Absolute0 | :-P |
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| 01:07.39 | geo-rge | right |
| 01:07.46 | karsten | minerale: There's no "negative search" option for apt-cache. If you want to rule out a complex expression: egrep -v '(pattern1|pattern2|pattern3)' |
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| 01:07.57 | Absolute0 | v is a peculiar option handle |
| 01:08.06 | Absolute0 | let me check what it stands for |
| 01:08.13 | geo-rge | yeah, the good letters were no doubt taken |
| 01:08.36 | Greyscale | The clockspeed thing works, but I can't adjust the actual speed using it like it shows in the manual. Halp? |
| 01:08.36 | minerale | hermogenes: how do I use debtags? |
| 01:08.39 | karsten | geo-rge: So many ideas, 17,576 TLAs. |
| 01:08.43 | Absolute0 | ehh |
| 01:08.50 | Absolute0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.52 | daqqa1 | whats a ratatuie? |
| 01:08.55 | Absolute0 | thats all they got |
| 01:09.06 | geo-rge | isn't that vegitable soup? |
| 01:09.09 | hajhouse | minerale: you could use apt-cache search --full to output the section with the search results. then you can postprocess to exclude X packages |
| 01:09.16 | daqqa1 | i think so |
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| 01:09.31 | hermogenes | minerale: install debtags. then you can type something like: debtags search interface::curses |
| 01:09.43 | pngwn | /c/redraw |
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| 01:12.15 | hermogenes | !info debtags |
| 01:12.16 | dpkg | debtags: (Enables support for package tags), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.7.1 (sid), Packaged size: 559 kB, Installed size: 888 kB |
| 01:12.26 | docta_v | i'm in need of some iptables/ipvsadm help |
| 01:12.38 | docta_v | i'm trying to load balance a mysql cluster |
| 01:12.48 | docta_v | and the load balancer has a firewall on it |
| 01:13.13 | docta_v | so i think i need to accept inbound traffic and forward outbound traffic |
| 01:13.15 | Azar | say goodbye to newsforge, awww.... |
| 01:13.22 | geo-rge | there might be gooder help if you were to find the #myswl channel |
| 01:13.23 | karsten | Azar: ?? |
| 01:13.30 | docta_v | i can see the packets going to the DB but i think it's only working one way |
| 01:13.39 | Azar | http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=07/06/22/2025240&from=rss |
| 01:13.49 | docta_v | it's a firewall issue at this point |
| 01:14.04 | karsten | Azar: Woah. |
| 01:14.31 | Azar | yah I liked that site |
| 01:14.40 | karsten | Azar: Interesting. Linux.com is now " |
| 01:14.48 | karsten | Azar: ... "SourceForge, Inc" |
| 01:15.15 | Azar | karsten: sourceforge is the daddy of many sites like this, I guess /. too |
| 01:15.18 | karsten | Azar: ... which is apparently the new name of VA $WHATEVER. |
| 01:16.03 | karsten | Azar: Name changed May 24, 2007. |
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| 01:16.16 | karsten | http://web.sourceforge.com/news_archive/2007/1799.php |
| 01:16.48 | Azar | karsten: I remember reading news about sourceforge purchasing, and changing some sites... few weeks ago |
| 01:16.54 | deadcat_ | if i want java compiler, do i install gcj ? |
| 01:17.35 | karsten | !java |
| 01:17.35 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 01:18.14 | Azar | yah that one |
| 01:19.20 | karsten | Azar: Seen anything by Roblimo recently? |
| 01:19.21 | hermogenes | deadcat_: i think the answer is yes. gcj is a java compiler |
| 01:19.23 | deadcat_ | thanks |
| 01:19.42 | deadcat_ | installing free-java-sdk |
| 01:20.56 | Absolute0 | where is hal? i dont see it in /etc/init.d/ |
| 01:21.25 | ben_goodger | most HALs are part of your desktop environment afaik |
| 01:21.40 | ben_goodger | such as the gnome one, for instance, which is launched by gnome |
| 01:22.33 | Absolute0 | well i am trying to load my ipod in amarok and its saying i need hal and dbus started... |
| 01:22.37 | Absolute0 | i am in gnome... |
| 01:22.47 | ben_goodger | ah. |
| 01:22.54 | karsten | !comfort Absolute0 |
| 01:22.54 | dpkg | There, there, Absolute0. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:23.16 | Absolute0 | anyone here knows how i can copy songs from ipod to computer in rythmbox? |
| 01:23.17 | ben_goodger | karsten: kindly stop hitting ! every time someone says anything |
| 01:23.17 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 01:23.25 | ben_goodger | Absolute0: yes, drag and drop :) |
| 01:23.31 | Absolute0 | i tried it |
| 01:23.34 | Absolute0 | it doesnt do anything |
| 01:23.36 | ben_goodger | it works the other way on recent-ish releases too |
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| 01:24.09 | karsten | ben_goodger: I *usually* try to do it in context. |
| 01:24.18 | Absolute0 | ben_goodger: you mean the on in lenny or testing? |
| 01:24.28 | karsten | Azar: lenny *is* testing. |
| 01:24.29 | ben_goodger | Absolute0: those are the same :) |
| 01:24.32 | karsten | Absolute0: ^^ |
| 01:24.39 | ben_goodger | however, I meant testing, unstable, from-source or stable |
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| 01:25.07 | inetd | does anyone get a gdk_screen_get_font_options: assertion `GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed |
| 01:25.12 | inetd | when opening openoffice? |
| 01:25.31 | Absolute0 | agh |
| 01:25.49 | ben_goodger | Absolute0: how do you mean it doesn't work? rhythmbox usually can't read AAC unless you install the confusingly-named debian package containing the codec |
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| 01:25.55 | Azar | karsten: Roblimo? |
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| 01:26.11 | inetd | my openoffice fonts (GUI/gtk) are ugly.. |
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| 01:26.32 | Azar | karsten: what did you miss today on the tabloid news: ms marketplace distributing ubuntu :D |
| 01:26.34 | Absolute0 | aac? |
| 01:26.40 | Absolute0 | i have all mp3' |
| 01:26.43 | Absolute0 | s on my ipod |
| 01:27.04 | ben_goodger | inetd: they're rendering funnily? |
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| 01:27.16 | karsten | Azar: Yeah. he's one of the old-timers from Andover, sorta crusty guy, moderately technical, wondering if he's still with the company. |
| 01:27.18 | ben_goodger | inetd: that's a by-product of nearly everything else looking pretty perfect on every platform |
| 01:27.26 | karsten | Absolute0: <enter> != punctuation. |
| 01:27.38 | hermogenes | does the ipod plays ogg vorbis? |
| 01:27.40 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 01:27.50 | Azar | karsten: nope.... did not cought my eye |
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| 01:27.56 | Absolute0 | i see the songs and i can play them |
| 01:28.01 | Absolute0 | now i just need to copy them |
| 01:28.06 | Absolute0 | in rythmbox |
| 01:28.11 | Absolute0 | its very easy in amarok |
| 01:28.24 | Absolute0 | but amarok doesnt identify my ipod yet |
| 01:28.39 | Azar | Absolute0: buy and use a mac and you will get what you need |
| 01:28.52 | Azar | ipod! bah.. crapod |
| 01:28.59 | ben_goodger | Azar: that's not terribly productive. |
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| 01:29.08 | shogunx | i like my psp, personally. |
| 01:29.32 | Azar | ben_goodger: sorry i bursted my opinion... I highly dislike that ipod thingie |
| 01:29.34 | ben_goodger | Absolute0: hmm, I'm afraid I can't help. generally ipods aren't designed for pod>computer copying, but I can tell you it works the other way for me :) |
| 01:30.01 | ben_goodger | Azar: I meant the mac thing, but no offence meant. I know ipods are dismal, but their industrial design is droolworthy |
| 01:30.42 | shogunx | Absolute0, if you mount the drive as a usb device with scsi emulation (so its /dev/sda1 or so) you can get the files, but the names are scrambled, so you have to use the id3 tags and hope they are accurate |
| 01:30.50 | Azar | ben_goodger: never had/seen/used a mac but from what I am reading , not only their software, but hardware are more close than a starved man's ass |
| 01:31.26 | Azar | miisterrr shogunx ! what a pleasure , long time no see :) |
| 01:31.39 | shogunx | Azar:) how are you? |
| 01:31.43 | Absolute0 | the fact is i just formated my home partition and i forgot to back up the music dir |
| 01:31.47 | ben_goodger | Azar: could you make that a bit more elegant and retype it, please? |
| 01:31.50 | Absolute0 | the only way to get them back is from the ipod.. |
| 01:31.53 | Azar | shogunx: lingering in disability at home... bored to death |
| 01:31.59 | Absolute0 | and thats turning out to be a pain in the ass |
| 01:32.10 | Azar | Absolute0: let's rephrase |
| 01:32.24 | Azar | ass=exit |
| 01:32.33 | chemaja | i was once undecided between Linux/Gnome and MacOS -- then I bought my sister an iMac. I used it for a couple of days and was surprised to find that I actually do like GNU/Linux better :) |
| 01:32.33 | Absolute0 | i am able to copy from ipod dir in rythmbox |
| 01:32.33 | Azar | pain in the exit |
| 01:32.39 | Absolute0 | but theres not paste feature |
| 01:32.42 | Absolute0 | what good is that?! |
| 01:33.02 | shogunx | Azar I can imagine. i was grinding some metal a few nights ago and got a chunk in my eye. had to stay of my network for a couple of days... bored to tears, literally. |
| 01:33.06 | Absolute0 | chemaja: why surprised? |
| 01:33.10 | Absolute0 | linux rocks |
| 01:33.12 | Azar | honorables: please replace mp3 with ogg!! |
| 01:33.16 | Azar | use oggvorbis! |
| 01:33.23 | ben_goodger | meh, vorbis is OK |
| 01:33.33 | chemaja | Absolute0, heh. well my ex-Linux-turned-Mac friend was hyping it up |
| 01:33.36 | ben_goodger | trouble is lack of support by popular players.. |
| 01:34.03 | Azar | linux has good players and I do not doubt they all use oggvorbis |
| 01:34.10 | chemaja | Absolute0, plus i have memories of the old Mac Classic days and figured they'd be kicking arse by now (which they are in a certain respect, but I'm too used to GNU now) |
| 01:34.13 | hermogenes | listen to Azar. use ogg vorbis |
| 01:34.14 | Absolute0 | macs are cool, but nothing beats linux! |
| 01:34.32 | chemaja | not to mention the fact that Linux has a better set of software available to install on it |
| 01:34.44 | ben_goodger | Azar: I meant silicon, not gstreamer :) |
| 01:34.48 | Absolute0 | ye macs are also very limited |
| 01:34.51 | Absolute0 | and expensive |
| 01:34.59 | Guerin | and proprietary |
| 01:34.59 | Absolute0 | and everything for macs is expensive as well |
| 01:35.15 | Guerin | the other issues aren't so huge |
| 01:35.20 | shogunx | and no longer RISC, so where is the advantage? |
| 01:35.22 | chemaja | i'm glad i bought her one versus a Windows XP machine tho --- i was really sick of having to reinstll her system every X months |
| 01:35.29 | karsten | Azar: Jeff Bates (hemos) is now VP Editorial Ops. I suspect roblimo's out. |
| 01:35.40 | Guerin | but the fact that they take commodity hardware and proprietarise it, then charge more for it, is fucking retarded |
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| 01:36.03 | chemaja | Guerin, i thought mac users were paying for the OS/software/support |
| 01:36.03 | karsten | Guerin: It's a great business model if you can pull it off. |
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| 01:36.22 | chemaja | but I'm-Not-A-Mac-Guy so who knows |
| 01:36.30 | Guerin | and the fact that they take free software, proprietarise it, put a shiny gui on top of it, and charge more for it, is doubly retarded |
| 01:36.42 | Guerin | chemaja: they're paying for the *image* |
| 01:36.49 | Guerin | karsten: yes, indeed, nice work if you can get it |
| 01:37.01 | ben_goodger | Guerin: indeedy, microsoft is quite close to doing the same thing |
| 01:37.10 | Guerin | ben_goodger: yes, they are. |
| 01:37.19 | Guerin | MNU/Winux! |
| 01:37.26 | chemaja | i wish gnome would rip off the application startup state mechanism (which i noticed was ripped from GNUStep (or nextstep or wahtevr)) |
| 01:37.28 | MangosDebian | Guerin: so the designers who need feed and rent money sholdnt get paid for their effort? |
| 01:37.31 | ben_goodger | I said that even before the microvell deal... |
| 01:37.37 | Absolute0 | is it easy to install debian on the new macbooks? |
| 01:38.10 | ben_goodger | Absolute0: moderately, so long as you don't mind a lack of support for nearly everything that makes a macbook useful |
| 01:38.11 | Guerin | MangosDebian: don't come this argument with me. I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to, I'm just saying it's distasteful to me. |
| 01:38.40 | metbsd | can someone tell me a mirror in china? |
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| 01:38.49 | Absolute0 | ben_goodger: what do makes a mac useful for? |
| 01:38.50 | karsten | !mirrors |
| 01:38.50 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 01:38.50 | ben_goodger | MangosDebian: red hat pay designers good money, but their contributions don't just help Red Hat's accountants' job security |
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| 01:38.52 | metbsd | i need a fast mirror in china |
| 01:38.52 | Guerin | metbsd: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 01:39.04 | ben_goodger | Absolute0: the flashy scroll thingummy, etc.. |
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| 01:39.18 | Absolute0 | huhg? |
| 01:39.26 | ben_goodger | Absolute0: the display, wireless, scroll pad, etc are all buggered by default |
| 01:39.41 | Absolute0 | synaptics does a good job with the mousepad.. |
| 01:39.45 | metbsd | i used those two on website, those are slow as shit |
| 01:39.45 | Guerin | ben_goodger: you're ons of the ff devs, no? |
| 01:39.52 | ben_goodger | not in two dimensions |
| 01:39.53 | ben_goodger | Guerin: NO, DAMN IT |
| 01:39.54 | Guerin | s/ons/one/ |
| 01:40.05 | karsten | metbsd: You lose then. |
| 01:40.05 | Guerin | ben_goodger: oh ... is there another ben goodger? |
| 01:40.11 | ben_goodger | yes, it's me |
| 01:40.13 | ben_goodger | :P |
| 01:40.16 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah, works for firefox. |
| 01:40.18 | sussudio | goodger goodger goodger goodger mushroom mushroom |
| 01:40.30 | Guerin | sussudio: your contribution is valued, as always |
| 01:40.57 | sussudio | %bear Guerin |
| 01:40.57 | MangosDebian | heh |
| 01:40.57 | Guerin | will the real ben goodger please stand up? |
| 01:40.59 | Guerin | or, for a more classic reference: `Which one of you is ben goodger?' |
| 01:41.14 | ben_goodger | sussudio: I shall sue for damages on the wasted oxygen you have made me waste on reading that message |
| 01:41.23 | karsten | metbsd: apt-spy might help you find a faster mirror. |
| 01:41.23 | ben_goodger | let's say £1 per molecule... |
| 01:41.26 | sussudio | ben_goodger: oxygen is for losers. |
| 01:41.41 | i_am_ben_goodger | :-P |
| 01:42.00 | i_am_ben_goodger | :-P |
| 01:42.09 | no_I_am_ben_good | damned limit |
| 01:42.16 | qrck | me is not ere |
| 01:42.21 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:42.26 | Guerin | it worked |
| 01:42.39 | real_ben_goodger | that's nice, qrck... and do you like your ritalin with orange juice or water? |
| 01:42.43 | sussudio | Piggy is dusty. |
| 01:43.05 | real_ben_goodger | sussudio: that's another million pounds on damages, please |
| 01:43.11 | qrck | i don't like ritalin |
| 01:43.22 | sussudio | that's like 2 euro in real money, right? |
| 01:43.25 | real_ben_goodger | qrck: I recommend it, if you think you're not here |
| 01:43.30 | karsten | qrck: it doesn't care much for you either. |
| 01:43.37 | Guerin | i know an ADHD guy who named his kid Rick Allen $Surname |
| 01:43.44 | Guerin | because `Rit' isn't a name |
| 01:43.47 | real_ben_goodger | sussudio: I wish :) it's about €1.70-odd |
| 01:43.51 | qrck | i go for mom's travor though |
| 01:44.11 | real_ben_goodger | oh, no |
| 01:44.24 | real_ben_goodger | this is surprising, the EU economy has picked up _one hell of a lot_ |
| 01:44.32 | Guerin | how is that surprising? |
| 01:44.36 | sussudio | O RLY. |
| 01:44.44 | real_ben_goodger | the euro stands at €1.48 to the pound |
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| 01:44.50 | Guerin | a bunch of recently-third-world countries just joined; the only way is up |
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| 01:45.30 | real_ben_goodger | Guerin: because between 2002 and jan 2007, it was between €1.75 and €1.65 _all the time_ |
| 01:45.44 | real_ben_goodger | of course, the dollar is collapsing horribly atm |
| 01:45.50 | Guerin | right |
| 01:45.57 | Guerin | and is only going to continue to do so |
| 01:46.15 | sussudio | until someone sane does the finances in soviet USistan |
| 01:46.51 | Guerin | sussudio: i think you mean, `until china stops producing cheap tat that USians want to buy' |
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| 01:47.17 | Guerin | which, of course, would precipitate WWIII |
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| 01:47.24 | sussudio | china owns a large percentage of the US anyway |
| 01:47.34 | Guerin | sussudio: because of aforementioned cheap tat, yes |
| 01:47.40 | real_ben_goodger | http://finance.google.com/finance?q=USDGBP&hl=en http://finance.google.com/finance?q=EURGBP&hl=en http://finance.google.com/finance?q=USDEUR&hl=en |
| 01:47.40 | Azar | china grabbed a large market portion of east EU lately |
| 01:47.43 | sussudio | Guerin: and loans |
| 01:47.59 | real_ben_goodger | I don't care for china |
| 01:48.00 | Guerin | sussudio: which are directly a result of the trade deficit |
| 01:48.07 | Guerin | i *love* china |
| 01:48.10 | real_ben_goodger | I like the chinese, but I dislike the whole outsourcing thing |
| 01:48.22 | sussudio | Guerin: is the US producing tangible anything at all, really? |
| 01:48.23 | Guerin | it's easily the most interesting country I've ever been |
| 01:48.23 | real_ben_goodger | and the government, who don't seem particularly representative of the culture etc |
| 01:48.34 | real_ben_goodger | sussudio: nope |
| 01:48.41 | Guerin | sussudio: yes, but not as much as it consumes |
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| 01:49.31 | sussudio | Guerin: think they'll invade canadia if things get bad enough? |
| 01:49.37 | Guerin | according to democratic peace theory, china will inevitably become a market-driven liberal democracy |
| 01:49.42 | sussudio | it's not like they'll fight back. |
| 01:49.43 | Xenguy | sussudio: troll :P |
| 01:49.54 | Guerin | sussudio: no. That would mean taking on the Commonwealth. |
| 01:50.06 | Guerin | then they'd have the NZSAS to deal with |
| 01:50.08 | dvs01 | whats a commonwealth? |
| 01:50.19 | sussudio | Guerin: 5 canoes? |
| 01:50.37 | Guerin | sussudio: hey, they're called FRIGATES |
| 01:50.44 | Guerin | sussudio: and that's the navy, not the SAS |
| 01:50.58 | Guerin | dvs01: THE commonwealth is the former British colonies |
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| 01:51.13 | dvs01 | are they wealthy? |
| 01:51.28 | Guerin | dvs01: yes. |
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| 01:51.54 | agohoth | does debian isntall ok onto vmware3 virtual servers? |
| 01:52.07 | agohoth | gun try with debian 4 businesscard ISO |
| 01:52.10 | agohoth | :) |
| 01:52.15 | agohoth | get ready for some swearing |
| 01:52.16 | Guerin | agohoth: good luck |
| 01:52.36 | Guerin | dvs01: well, some of them are. There are 50-something counties in it |
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| 01:56.50 | agohoth | ? |
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| 01:58.54 | hikenboot | greetings all --anyone know of a live cd designed for running sniffing software setup as an inline sniffer? |
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| 01:59.17 | hikenboot | preferably not all command line |
| 02:00.35 | qrck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:02.11 | bubux | hello |
| 02:02.44 | qrck | hoi |
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| 02:04.23 | Azar | hehe I love the name... "vimperator" vim rocks! |
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| 02:04.51 | qrck | you should see viper then |
| 02:04.59 | qrck | :) |
| 02:05.30 | qrck | best of both worlds |
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| 02:05.40 | Yea10354 | hey |
| 02:05.40 | qrck | maxim maxim |
| 02:05.53 | qrck | win win |
| 02:05.54 | Yea10354 | lenny is tesitng right ? |
| 02:05.59 | qrck | loose loose |
| 02:06.04 | qrck | win loose |
| 02:06.07 | qrck | loose win |
| 02:06.15 | qrck | errr |
| 02:06.18 | qrck | wtf |
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| 02:07.02 | Guerin | !loose |
| 02:07.02 | dpkg | from memory, loose is the most annoying spelling error. It's LOSE you moron. Unless of course you're using loose in a Madonna sorta way. |
| 02:07.19 | Azar | Guerin: were you here when I said that openbox has a new release? |
| 02:07.25 | Guerin | Azar: nope. |
| 02:07.37 | qrck | tight tight |
| 02:07.42 | qrck | loose loose |
| 02:07.47 | Azar | Guerin: yep well and it is really cool, simonrvn and I just installed it |
| 02:07.48 | qrck | lost lost |
| 02:07.48 | Yea10354 | anyone ? |
| 02:07.49 | qrck | won won |
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| 02:08.42 | Xenguy | bye |
| 02:08.45 | Azar | Yea10354: have a question? ask |
| 02:11.05 | hikenboot | qrck, I am looking for somthing in a live cd distro that users of windows based sniffers would be comfortable with .IE not lots of linux configuration necessary to run the sniffer in-line |
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| 02:11.22 | qrck | go for a knoppix cd then |
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| 02:11.38 | qrck | most compatible with debian i think |
| 02:11.49 | cilkay | Hello. I'm doing a fresh installation on a server with two identical drives that I've set up in RAID 1 configuration. I left 100M of each drive out of the RAID set. I'll use one for /boot. |
| 02:12.00 | qrck | yet there are cd's preconfigured with windows stuff etc.. |
| 02:12.23 | cilkay | The RAID set, I'm using LVM. Would it be a better idea to put swap outside the RAID set on physical drives? |
| 02:12.42 | cilkay | I could then have swap across two spindles - might be faster. |
| 02:13.47 | Guerin | honestly |
| 02:14.00 | Guerin | if you're using swap, you've already given up on speed as an objective |
| 02:14.27 | Guerin | so it doesn't matter how fast your drives are, if you're swapping it's *fucking* slow |
| 02:14.36 | cilkay | Of course but one configuration might be faster than another. |
| 02:14.41 | Guerin | yes |
| 02:14.57 | cilkay | I have 4GB of RAM in that machine so hopefully, I don't hit swap very often. |
| 02:15.03 | Guerin | but would anyone care about the difference between *fuckinf* slow and *really* fucking slow? |
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| 02:15.11 | asg | swap is essentially an air-sickness bag. Useless but better than yakin' on the floor. |
| 02:15.24 | Guerin | I know a difference bwteen a 10s wait and a 10.5s wait don't mean a fuck to me |
| 02:15.43 | Guerin | in fact |
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| 02:16.01 | Guerin | you've probably burned any advantage you might get, over the setup's whole life, just thinking about it |
| 02:16.14 | Azar | it's rather bloated stupid 3rd party applications one downloads, install then slow system down |
| 02:16.30 | Azar | look at your processes see which elephant is using how much |
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| 02:24.39 | jetscreamer | don't ever install et, you might keel over |
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| 02:25.06 | zinx | because you played too much and forgot to eat/drink/sleep? |
| 02:25.41 | jetscreamer | no i meant if he does this with this game... [21.17.54] * Azar dances around with joy! got me Prof FizzWizzle game!! lalala |
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| 02:26.05 | jetscreamer | might have a heart attack or something |
| 02:26.09 | zinx | hehe |
| 02:26.45 | qrck | i have whole in my heart |
| 02:26.55 | qrck | lol |
| 02:26.59 | qrck | can't get attacks |
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| 02:27.08 | qrck | they're short circuited |
| 02:27.10 | qrck | lol |
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| 02:27.13 | qrck | *fg* |
| 02:27.54 | qrck | >.> |
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| 02:28.12 | qrck | /dev/zero |
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| 02:30.07 | Azar | jetscreamer: hehe |
| 02:30.21 | Azar | well if I can't learn to burn CDs at least play games |
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| 02:30.35 | Azar | turning a negative into a positive |
| 02:30.36 | qrck | Azar: use wodim |
| 02:30.44 | Azar | qrck: can't is not in etch |
| 02:30.48 | Azar | err is not in sarge |
| 02:30.56 | Xenguy | attitudinal jui-jitsu ? |
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| 02:31.12 | qrck | Azar: apt-get -t etch install wodim ? |
| 02:31.20 | Azar | I feel really sad... really... |
| 02:31.34 | Azar | qrck: I only want a command line app |
| 02:31.46 | qrck | Azar: it is commandline |
| 02:31.57 | liable | Azar: its still called cdrecord in sarge |
| 02:32.13 | qrck | Azar: i think it's the same... |
| 02:32.13 | Guerin | wodim is cdrecord with all the retardedness taken out |
| 02:32.27 | qrck | hrmm |
| 02:32.32 | liable | but a retarded name in place |
| 02:32.38 | Azar | something very simple, installed cdw but don't know how to setup the mount point for cd-rw... how to configure a scsi emu |
| 02:32.58 | Azar | I liked the cdw snapshots.. |
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| 02:33.41 | Azar | well, waiting for the ordered blank CD-Rs I will try again |
| 02:33.56 | Azar | not even in windows was I able to learn the tricks |
| 02:34.31 | Grim76 | dunno that is how it shows here...lemme clear cache and try it again. |
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| 02:34.39 | Grim76 | doh wrong window |
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| 02:36.27 | cilkay | How do you set the time zone to GMT in the installer? I don't see that option. |
| 02:36.59 | jetscreamer | tzconfigm after |
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| 02:37.04 | jetscreamer | tzconfig |
| 02:37.11 | cilkay | ok, thanks |
| 02:37.12 | jetscreamer | but it asks you somewhere |
| 02:37.45 | jetscreamer | /etc/default is the control file's location |
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| 02:42.18 | jetscreamer | actually that might not work |
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| 02:52.46 | Azar | hehe cool! the daily wtf..http://www.bash.org/?17337 |
| 02:53.58 | agohoth | what is the command to upgrade python? |
| 02:54.06 | agohoth | apt-get blah python? |
| 02:54.14 | agohoth | I tried apt-get update python |
| 02:54.16 | agohoth | no worky |
| 02:54.34 | agohoth | hm |
| 02:54.52 | Azar | agohoth: only if your debian version has released "security" updates you get... well... security updates only |
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| 02:55.24 | agohoth | ok but say u wanted to upgrade perl |
| 02:55.29 | agohoth | what apt-get command? |
| 02:55.31 | Azar | .... not a newer, higher version of hmmm python |
| 02:55.43 | agohoth | 2.4.4 is ther enow |
| 02:55.45 | agohoth | now |
| 02:55.50 | agohoth | I guess thats close to current |
| 02:55.55 | Azar | agohoth: you will not get higher versions |
| 02:56.25 | agohoth | ok |
| 02:56.28 | agohoth | but jsut for fun |
| 02:56.31 | agohoth | what is the command |
| 02:56.38 | agohoth | humor me |
| 02:56.39 | Azar | because... they are not stable enough for Debian stable, and all newer versions are being tested in Debian testing that will become next year Debian stable |
| 02:56.43 | agohoth | the ignorant savage |
| 02:56.44 | alaya_ | agohoth: apt-get install python |
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| 02:56.51 | agohoth | ok |
| 02:56.58 | agohoth | so install also upgrades? |
| 02:57.03 | alaya_ | yes |
| 02:57.08 | agohoth | we al have a names? |
| 02:57.10 | agohoth | funny eh? |
| 02:57.15 | agohoth | archlinux is nice |
| 02:57.21 | agohoth | but the fucekr wont work in vmware |
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| 02:57.35 | alaya_ | take it easy on enter key. its spams the channel |
| 02:57.42 | Azar | oh my god!!! thank you soooooooo much agohoth !!! |
| 02:57.45 | tom_ | someone know GLIBC_2.4' ? |
| 02:57.51 | ben_goodger | agohoth: that's nice, but we're talking about debian here |
| 02:57.56 | Azar | you just reminded me I have one last beer in the fridge.. |
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| 02:58.11 | ben_goodger | right, it's 4am, I need sleep |
| 02:58.17 | Azar | let's talk beer |
| 02:58.27 | tom_ | how can i get it ? |
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| 02:58.56 | agohoth | I love Terry prathecett books, and I love linux, and Im going to las vegas tonight at 4am, oh yeah boy!!! you guys ever read some glen cook books? black company? great stuff really d&D without being rhetorial ra salvatore crud |
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| 02:59.23 | agohoth | I had a french beer beginning in F the other day, can you name it? |
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| 03:00.26 | Azar | frenchiskaner? |
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| 03:02.09 | mmlj4 | Falstaff? |
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| 03:02.52 | g | oh yeah this is me coming in using irssi on me new debian vmware virt server |
| 03:02.55 | g | oh yeah!!!! |
| 03:03.19 | mmlj4 | um, you pay for that? |
| 03:03.26 | mmlj4 | where and how much? |
| 03:03.31 | grabin | pay for who? |
| 03:03.37 | Azar | pay for what? |
| 03:03.42 | mmlj4 | never mind |
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| 03:03.51 | grabin | pay for sex? |
| 03:03.57 | mmlj4 | i'm looking for a virtual server thingie, perhaps |
| 03:03.59 | grabin | pope not like that at all!! |
| 03:04.15 | grabin | well I have a vmware box here at work, is kinda nice |
| 03:04.15 | mmlj4 | oh, forget it, i won't talk to fools |
| 03:04.47 | Azar | hey let's drop the slogan "free as in beer" replace it with "free as in conjugal sex" |
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| 03:05.15 | Azar | hmm no that does not sound appealing.. some will go ewwww conjugal sex... |
| 03:05.49 | metbsd | !doesn't work |
| 03:05.49 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 03:05.52 | Azar | it's Saturday!! the official weekly tard day |
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| 03:06.42 | grabin | free as in angery ners sayign how everyone else is dumb lol |
| 03:06.51 | grabin | free as in air |
| 03:07.19 | Azar | the last one you said is TM already by bsd |
| 03:07.25 | magyar | hi, need to remove a bunch of files in a directory exchept index.html |
| 03:07.35 | grabin | so if I start a corporation, and I server my website on debian, do I have to give all the perl code I use on the website away? |
| 03:07.47 | grabin | move index.html somewhere |
| 03:07.50 | grabin | delete all |
| 03:07.52 | grabin | move back |
| 03:07.53 | grabin | :) |
| 03:08.04 | Guerin | magyar: mv index.html .. && rm * && mv ../index.html . |
| 03:08.24 | magyar | Guerin: that works, thanks |
| 03:08.28 | Guerin | yes it does |
| 03:08.39 | Azar | grabin: umm no , I don't think so but you are not allowed to label it as "free software" I guess |
| 03:08.59 | Guerin | grabin: not at all. |
| 03:09.15 | Azar | who cares on which OS is running on your server? it is not seen |
| 03:09.27 | Guerin | grabin: you can de3velop proprietary software in a free programming language, using free tools, as long as you don't use any free software IN your code. |
| 03:09.52 | Guerin | grabin: and in some cases you can do that, even. |
| 03:10.06 | Guerin | grabin: the short answer is, it depends. |
| 03:11.29 | grabin | well |
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| 03:11.51 | grabin | well |
| 03:12.15 | grabin | jesus in the perl world you genreally build on liek DBI.pm and CGI.pm and all kinda stuff |
| 03:12.27 | grabin | so I gota use some code from others |
| 03:12.32 | grabin | thats where code re use comes in |
| 03:12.52 | grabin | In fact Id love to try out html::template |
| 03:13.05 | Guerin | grabin: yes. You would then consult the license under which those modules were released, probably the artistic license and/or the license of perl |
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| 03:13.44 | Guerin | i know those are free software licenses, but I'm not sure if they're copyleft or what |
| 03:14.14 | grabin | ah |
| 03:14.20 | grabin | artistic |
| 03:14.25 | grabin | IM an artistic kinda guy |
| 03:14.31 | grabin | girls find me deep and dreamy |
| 03:14.48 | Guerin | that's what they tell you, anyhow |
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| 03:17.47 | grabin | haha |
| 03:17.51 | peterS | they don't mind your lack of ability to use apostrophes? |
| 03:17.57 | grabin | they really date me for my linux skillz |
| 03:17.59 | grabin | lol |
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| 03:20.21 | grabin | heh |
| 03:20.32 | grabin | so guys |
| 03:20.42 | grabin | how important is it to have things tested in debian? |
| 03:20.53 | Guerin | wow, gcj's browser plugin his incredibly slow |
| 03:20.55 | grabin | I mean all taht testing means you are behind in having the latest stuff right? |
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| 03:21.08 | grabin | what is gcj? |
| 03:21.10 | Guerin | grabin: all it means is that things *work* |
| 03:21.17 | Guerin | grabin: something you can google |
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| 03:21.36 | grabin | I have been using archlinux and they use latest stabel packages, all compiled against i686 |
| 03:21.42 | grabin | and I have had not gotachs |
| 03:21.51 | grabin | I did notice perl 5.8.8 was in debian |
| 03:21.55 | grabin | that is uptodate |
| 03:22.12 | grabin | liek for example, when will python 2.5 be out? |
| 03:22.12 | Guerin | archlinux is several orders of magnitude smaller than debian |
| 03:22.26 | grabin | user wise? |
| 03:22.49 | Guerin | when it has 20,000+ packages across 13 architectures and three distinct distributions, then you can compare |
| 03:23.22 | grabin | woa |
| 03:23.30 | grabin | debian running on sparc? |
| 03:23.41 | grabin | opensolaris seems very interesting |
| 03:23.56 | grabin | Guer are you a debian developer? |
| 03:23.59 | Guerin | opensolaris might be fun if it wasn't license-retarded sunware |
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| 03:24.10 | Guerin | grabin: no, I'm not |
| 03:24.11 | grabin | sun is a bugger |
| 03:24.23 | grabin | you run your own company getting rich by programming? |
| 03:24.34 | Guerin | fuck no |
| 03:24.43 | Guerin | i'm not a programmer, I'm a political scientist |
| 03:25.13 | Azar | yep Guerin is awesome! |
| 03:25.25 | Guerin | fuck, gcj's web-plugin is evil and stupid |
| 03:25.33 | Guerin | i can't just whitelist a whole domain |
| 03:25.56 | Guerin | and it spits out FUCKING SCREENFULS of debug information |
| 03:26.03 | Azar | Guerin: by chance are you able to read in french? |
| 03:26.20 | Guerin | Azar: not really. |
| 03:26.28 | grabin | hm |
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| 03:27.02 | grabin | oh shit debian seems to default to no ssh access from outside |
| 03:27.16 | grabin | time to go lookup sshd_conf or something |
| 03:27.24 | grabin | how do I restart daemons on debian? |
| 03:27.29 | Azar | Guerin: hmm pitty. There is an excellent book I bet you would love to read it , alas for some reason was never translated in english... just in french: "The Sunderland Beauclair Dinasty" and hirony of hirony, it mainly touches the Financial and Political history of the U.S. |
| 03:27.31 | grabin | redhat is service sshd restart |
| 03:28.10 | grabin | is debian /etc/rc.d or something |
| 03:28.12 | grabin | ? |
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| 03:28.26 | Azar | uh try man ssh, man sshd |
| 03:28.33 | Alam_Debian | /etc/init.d/sshd reload |
| 03:28.36 | Guerin | grabin: read the debian reference |
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| 03:28.46 | Azar | I never bothered since my ssh is locked |
| 03:29.11 | Guerin | Alam_Debian: ssh |
| 03:29.14 | Guerin | not sshd |
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| 03:30.10 | Azar | hmm hehe nice article title: Books: Programming Ada For Undersexed Zombies |
| 03:31.10 | grabin | is there anything else besides remoteauthentication? |
| 03:31.31 | Guerin | grabin: WTF? |
| 03:33.47 | Azar | Guerin, you scared the poor guy |
| 03:34.10 | Guerin | hurrah! |
| 03:34.34 | Azar | :) |
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| 03:37.23 | Hodapp | metbsd: You need to take some trolling lessons. |
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| 03:38.05 | jeffwheeler | Where would be the best place to store an rsync password that will be used by a cron process for daily backups? |
| 03:38.16 | jeffwheeler | A ~/.rsync_pw file? |
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| 03:38.37 | Guerin | jeffwheeler: better to use a key |
| 03:38.48 | Guerin | jeffwheeler: and rsync's ssh transport |
| 03:39.02 | MasterGH | Hi, could someone help me be able to do voice recording? my audio device is "Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 05)". I'm using Xfce. I tried recording with audacity, the gnome-sound-recorder and teamspeak. AFAIK my system is using ALSA |
| 03:39.26 | MasterGH | whenever I try to record something, my microphone doesn't pic up any sound |
| 03:39.38 | Guerin | MasterGH: run alsamixer, hit f4 ( i think) and make sure the capture device is enable d and the volume is up |
| 03:40.18 | MasterGH | yep I've done that, its enabled |
| 03:40.37 | JordiGH | Ah, thanks Guerin. Mine wasn't. I had a similar question many moons ago. |
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| 03:41.42 | aalex | hi all |
| 03:42.26 | aalex | anyone knows how to decode a "noname" mail attachment that is an Apple double base64 encoding? Tried uudecode, but doesn't work |
| 03:42.31 | MasterGH | I've tried 2 mics that I know were working a couple of days ago, so its not their problem |
| 03:42.58 | Guerin | aalex: ask in a crapple channel, or perhaps #debianppc |
| 03:43.18 | agohoth | ok |
| 03:43.24 | agohoth | heh |
| 03:43.28 | aalex | I am on intel, though :) |
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| 03:43.47 | aalex | Guerin, and on Linux oo |
| 03:43.50 | aalex | too |
| 03:43.50 | agohoth | etc/init.d/sshd reload worked |
| 03:43.51 | Guerin | aalex: yeah, but it's their retarded software which encoded it, they might know how to decode it |
| 03:43.55 | agohoth | not I rebooted and it wont? |
| 03:43.57 | agohoth | heh |
| 03:44.03 | agohoth | now- |
| 03:44.05 | aalex | much retarded, yes |
| 03:44.07 | agohoth | frig!! |
| 03:44.16 | Guerin | agohoth: so tell it to start |
| 03:44.18 | Guerin | !services |
| 03:44.18 | dpkg | hmm... services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 03:45.35 | jeffwheeler | Guerin: I'm a bit new to keys; can I do this through Seahorse? Is there a page where I can find more info? I have the RSA and DSA keys, but won't I still need to login to my account? |
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| 03:45.43 | agohoth | why in gods name wont it start? |
| 03:45.46 | agohoth | if it did last time |
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| 03:45.57 | agohoth | would it not staart if I uncommented too many things in the config file? |
| 03:46.04 | agohoth | jeff |
| 03:46.09 | agohoth | I did what u wana do last week |
| 03:46.17 | agohoth | generate a key |
| 03:46.21 | agohoth | for user x on box A |
| 03:46.30 | agohoth | then for user Y on box B |
| 03:46.37 | agohoth | create a .ssh folder |
| 03:46.41 | agohoth | in B's home |
| 03:46.42 | agohoth | in there |
| 03:46.50 | Guerin | agohoth: stop |
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| 03:47.28 | agohoth | vi a file called authorized_keys and place the id_dsa.pub key from the .ssh of user X on box A |
| 03:47.42 | agohoth | chmod 700 .ssh adn authroized keys |
| 03:47.48 | agohoth | on B |
| 03:48.04 | agohoth | then ssh Y@B and loging without password request |
| 03:48.07 | Guerin | agohoth: i think he knows how to search the interweb for a proper howto |
| 03:48.13 | agohoth | then use B for the rsync |
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| 03:48.21 | jeffwheeler | yeah, I think I'll search :) |
| 03:48.22 | jeffwheeler | thanks |
| 03:48.30 | Guerin | there's more to it than that |
| 03:48.32 | agohoth | passwordless login |
| 03:48.51 | Guerin | specifically in respect of limiting the commands apassphrase-less key can execute |
| 03:48.52 | agohoth | you might have to make sure B allows that kind fo thing in the sshd.conf file |
| 03:48.56 | agohoth | and restart sshd on B |
| 03:49.07 | Guerin | agohoth: please stop guessing |
| 03:49.11 | agohoth | I am not great with sude |
| 03:49.12 | Guerin | and giving stupid advice |
| 03:49.13 | agohoth | sudo |
| 03:49.16 | agohoth | Guer |
| 03:49.45 | agohoth | I am horrible at sudo |
| 03:49.53 | agohoth | and all that |
| 03:50.03 | agohoth | Whats a boo I can read to be a better admin guer? |
| 03:50.07 | agohoth | book? |
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| 03:50.39 | cast | calm down bro and type slower |
| 03:50.42 | Guerin | agohoth: there is no book. |
| 03:50.55 | JordiGH | Nor spoon. |
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| 03:51.16 | alaya_ | !tell agohoth about enter |
| 03:51.17 | Guerin | JordiGH: neither that. |
| 03:51.22 | Hodapp | remember |
| 03:51.25 | Hodapp | enter is a punctuation mark |
| 03:51.32 | hajhouse | i'm interested in comments on my idea for mail management. i want to: access mail from a maildir in ~ when logged in on the server, run mutt on remote systems and access mail via a local MUA process (i.e., mutt will run locally on the client machine, NOT on the server). the catch is i do NOT want to open up access to IMAP, i want SSH with key authentication to be the only way into the server. my initial idea was to run a IMAP server |
| 03:51.35 | Guerin | Hodapp: is this reverse-psychology? |
| 03:52.30 | Hodapp | Guerin: NO. |
| 03:52.32 | agohoth | Ok I am sorry about all the enter, but gosh, I usually don't have this much trouble, I am on the debian site, and there is no bit that shows how to restart apps, and it did work the first time, so It must have goten pissed when I uncommented a few too many lines in /etc/ssh/sshd.conf |
| 03:52.33 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.34 | Guerin | hajhouse: that sounds like crack to me. You could run an imapd on the server, but only listening internally, and tunnel mutt's traffic through ssh to the server |
| 03:52.41 | alaya_ | hajhouse: i'm not sure i follow everything, but can't you just run a local IMAP server, configure mutt to use it, then ssh to that box to run mutt remotely? |
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| 03:52.46 | simonrvn | h |
| 03:52.47 | Guerin | hajhouse: but the sanest thing would be simply to run mutt on the server itself |
| 03:52.48 | simonrvn | i |
| 03:52.51 | Azar | :D @ simonrvn |
| 03:52.54 | simonrvn | , |
| 03:53.08 | Guerin | !services |
| 03:53.08 | dpkg | services is probably to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 03:53.13 | Azar | Guerin you seem to have to do the sisifian work here, on weekends |
| 03:53.15 | Guerin | agohoth: read that ↑ |
| 03:53.28 | Guerin | Azar: Sysiphian. Rather. |
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| 03:53.45 | Guerin | but I have R L Burnside helping me out |
| 03:53.56 | Azar | Guerin: oh yes... the english name of it |
| 03:54.05 | hajhouse | alaya_, Guerin: the trouble is, i don't want password authentication on the IMAP server. So that rules out running one IMAP daemon for the whole serve in the normal way |
| 03:54.14 | Guerin | the man who, when he got out of jail for murder said `I didn't mean to kill the guy, I just meant to shoot him in the head. Dyin' was between him and the Lord.' |
| 03:54.33 | Azar | ... after my last beer.. |
| 03:54.42 | alaya_ | hajhouse: is this just for one user or many? |
| 03:54.53 | hajhouse | alaya_: lots of users |
| 03:54.57 | Guerin | but damn, he sure does play a mean bottle-slide |
| 03:55.06 | simonrvn | can't help it if truckloads of users are the equivalent of a truckload-full of morons |
| 03:56.08 | alaya_ | hajhouse: you want lots of users to be able to ssh in an use mutt to read their local mail spool? |
| 03:56.23 | hajhouse | alaya_: that is why i don't want to maintain a password database for IMAP. all users have shell accounts and ssh keys. i want them to be able to run mutt on whatever machine they are sitting at (to read mail stored on the server). |
| 03:56.32 | simonrvn | (people who read their apt-listchanges will know wtf i'm talking about) |
| 03:56.41 | Azar | awwww debday is closed until july the 1st... |
| 03:56.54 | simonrvn | debday? o_O |
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| 03:57.01 | grabin | ok |
| 03:57.05 | grabin | Im baaack |
| 03:57.07 | Azar | simonrvn: "debian package of the day" |
| 03:57.08 | grabin | I love it |
| 03:57.12 | hajhouse | alaya_: SSHing in and running mutt on the server inside an ssh session is what i'm trying to avoid |
| 03:57.13 | simonrvn | ah |
| 03:57.33 | Guerin | hajhouse: why? |
| 03:57.42 | Guerin | hajhouse: that sounds by fasr the sanest option |
| 03:57.53 | alaya_ | hajhouse: isn't there some way to tweak the auth settings in dovecot or some other imap server? |
| 03:57.59 | simonrvn | hajhouse: that's called the rube goldberg IMAPd, if yoou're trying trying to avoid authc/authz on the imapd |
| 03:58.30 | simonrvn | you might as ell be running straight from Maildir... |
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| 03:59.02 | hajhouse | Guerin: sorry i know it's complicated. two main reasons: running mutt remotely over ssh is impractical over flakey network links, and it's very difficult to work with attachments. but it is desirable to store all mail remotely |
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| 03:59.24 | simonrvn | hajhouse: then do it right, or forgetAboutIt |
| 03:59.32 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: s/rube/rude/? |
| 03:59.49 | Guerin | MangosDebian: no, google `rube goldberg' |
| 03:59.55 | Guerin | !rube goldberg install |
| 03:59.55 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 04:00.25 | hajhouse | simonrvn: that might work. i could mount the remote maildir using sshfs and run mutt locally on it |
| 04:00.29 | Guerin | hajhouse: can you rely on a given setup at client-side? |
| 04:00.29 | MangosDebian | Guerin: ahh sorry, i did goggle rude and it didnt show "did you mean...", but it came up "rude" my bad |
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| 04:00.39 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:00.42 | aalex | Guerin, I download http://www.miken.com/uud/ nand made it to work within wine !! It worked. crapple... |
| 04:00.45 | simonrvn | MangosDebian: i can't help the way i think. got a problem with it, ignore me |
| 04:00.46 | Guerin | rube goldberg was the man |
| 04:00.46 | hajhouse | Guerin: yes, i control the set-up of the clients |
| 04:00.55 | Guerin | aalex: hotdamn |
| 04:01.00 | simonrvn | i am you, now ;) |
| 04:01.16 | grabin | well we can replace email with some kind fo web page system |
| 04:01.16 | Guerin | hajhouse: then you can probably set up a ssh tunnel through which a local mutt can communicate with the server |
| 04:01.23 | Guerin | hajhouse: but sshfs could work as easily |
| 04:01.27 | grabin | moveing all that crap around is a lot fo work |
| 04:01.30 | aalex | see ya all |
| 04:01.38 | Guerin | IF sshfs is reliable nowadays (it wasn't last I tried) |
| 04:01.43 | MangosDebian | simonrvn: lol, you were right though :/ |
| 04:01.53 | grabin | Guerin I apt-get-ed openssh, and now I can ssh to the box from my desktop |
| 04:02.02 | Guerin | grabin: amazing. |
| 04:02.08 | simonrvn | wouldn't even install last time i tried... (removed it for deps) |
| 04:02.14 | Yea10354 | is debian ok to use as a Desktop ? |
| 04:02.21 | grabin | does debian come with something besides openssh by deafult because the config file looks completely different than the one I was wrestlign with a few minutes ago |
| 04:02.30 | grabin | sshd was started |
| 04:02.41 | grabin | then seems to not start |
| 04:02.43 | simonrvn | Yea10354: been doing so for years |
| 04:02.44 | peterS | grabin: the only sshd debian ships with is openssh-server |
| 04:02.46 | hajhouse | Guerin: i don't think sshfs is super reliable. it doesn't handle network disconnection gracefully. |
| 04:02.50 | grabin | ok |
| 04:02.51 | Guerin | Yea10354: no, it's much better than OK |
| 04:02.59 | grabin | sshfs? |
| 04:02.59 | Guerin | hajhouse: I found that, too. |
| 04:03.07 | Guerin | grabin: you can read, far out. |
| 04:03.14 | simonrvn | grabin: based on FUSE |
| 04:03.39 | Yea10354 | do they keep upto date KDE packages ? |
| 04:03.39 | grabin | fuse? |
| 04:03.46 | grabin | hm |
| 04:03.58 | grabin | does anyone know what the tcl package is called in debian? |
| 04:04.22 | hajhouse | grabin: there are multiple versions. try tcl8.3, tcl8.4, ... |
| 04:04.22 | peterS | it's usually known as 'apt-cache search tcl' |
| 04:05.09 | Guerin | Yea10354: packages.debian.org will tell you |
| 04:05.30 | Guerin | !tell grabin about search |
| 04:05.36 | Guerin | !tell grabin about reference |
| 04:05.47 | Guerin | grabin: that should keep you quiet awhile |
| 04:05.55 | hajhouse | i thought of another possibility to do what i want with the mail: use rsync to synchronize a copy of the maildir, before running mutt locally |
| 04:06.19 | Guerin | hajhouse: the rsync would have to be re-done periodically |
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| 04:06.42 | Guerin | hajhouse: and unless you were using passphrase-less keys (a security risk) that would be a major pain in the arse |
| 04:06.50 | Guerin | hajhouse: though you could use ssh-agent, I guess |
| 04:07.07 | hajhouse | Guerin: in fact, every time reading mail for it to be useful. ssh-agent is already in use :) |
| 04:07.17 | grabin | how would openBSD people do it? they love security! |
| 04:07.30 | Guerin | hajhouse: the rsync should be two-way, as well, so sent mail and drafts and such can be stored server-side too |
| 04:07.43 | Guerin | grabin: they'd ssh in and use mutt locally |
| 04:07.48 | Guerin | err, remotely |
| 04:07.57 | peterS | grabin: why do you ask irrelevant questions? |
| 04:08.12 | peterS | grabin: did you just see the word "security" and think "aha, must make a comment about openbsd"? |
| 04:08.17 | Azar | peterS: maybe because is saturday.. ? |
| 04:08.19 | grabin | no |
| 04:08.21 | Guerin | hajhouse: rsync is quite low overhead, though, so doing it once a minute or so wouldn't be overly taxing on a reasonably quick server |
| 04:08.24 | grabin | I get a lto of info from IRC |
| 04:08.40 | Guerin | grabin: we can tell. |
| 04:08.56 | hajhouse | Guerin: i'm becoming convinced that the rsync approach might be the best one. |
| 04:09.13 | grabin | and people in different rooms are ncie to share solutions with me a lot, I especailly love the tcl and bash rooms, and the linux room of course, and hey I did think yes openBSD which I installed on few boxes last week is nice, and they do a lot of scurity work, so maybe they ahve seen this situation before |
| 04:09.20 | peterS | !room |
| 04:09.20 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 04:09.37 | Guerin | hajhouse: i'm still leaning toward the ssh tunnel |
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| 04:09.55 | deadcat_ | why is it everytime i do some major dist-upgrade firefox fonts changes on websites? damn that piss me off. |
| 04:09.59 | Guerin | but that is quite complicated |
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| 04:11.07 | Azar | grabin: the term "room" is a reminiscence of the old soap-opera webtv locations online where people used to meet initially to share knowledge, and end in personal love connections :) |
| 04:11.10 | hajhouse | Guerin: the only stick point with that is that it introduced another authentication mechanism besides ssh (i.e., the IMAP password.) users will want to save their IMAP passwords for convenience, which is a security problem. |
| 04:11.23 | Guerin | Azar: actually6, it comes from AOHell |
| 04:11.44 | Guerin | hajhouse: imap can auth from pam, ie, the same mechanism as ssh |
| 04:11.47 | grabin | I personally always think of TV when people say channel |
| 04:11.52 | Azar | Guerin: yeah ahoell was very similar to webtv community |
| 04:11.53 | Guerin | hajhouse: but yes, you're right. |
| 04:12.05 | peterS | grabin: yeah, well, I personally think of 13-year-olds when people say room, so. |
| 04:12.14 | grabin | why? |
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| 04:12.27 | peterS | 'cause that's the average age of people who use that terminology |
| 04:12.33 | Guerin | as in `Go to your ____!' |
| 04:12.40 | Guerin | and `Clean your ____!' |
| 04:12.49 | peterS | should I clean the channel? |
| 04:12.55 | Azar | to me the term "room" sounds like a brothel ... |
| 04:13.00 | grabin | really? |
| 04:13.03 | Guerin | peterS: we were just talking about Sysiphean tasks |
| 04:13.04 | cast | i also detest the term 'chat room' |
| 04:13.18 | grabin | I wonder if its an american vs european thing, are you gents from europe? |
| 04:13.21 | peterS | Guerin: oh I just meant in the kick everyone out sense |
| 04:13.30 | Guerin | grabin: no |
| 04:13.37 | Guerin | peterS: heh |
| 04:13.46 | Azar | california here.. where I can get a "room" in a motel for a quickie any time of the day/night |
| 04:14.08 | grabin | where you can turn on a tv channel for news |
| 04:14.08 | hajhouse | Guerin: hmm, i don't think the key authentication of ssh goes through pam though. and i'm loth to use the unix passwords for IMAP too (seems insecure), but the alternative is a separate password database. bleh. what would solve this would be a one-time-password scheme for imap |
| 04:14.10 | Guerin | Azar: i have a room in my house for that purpose. |
| 04:14.25 | Azar | Guerin: then again , you don't live in the U.S... |
| 04:14.41 | Guerin | hajhouse: mm, doesn't it? That's a fair objection to the scheme, then. |
| 04:14.49 | Guerin | hajhouse: oh, easy! |
| 04:14.56 | Guerin | hajhouse: OPIE is the ultimate win |
| 04:14.56 | cilkay | During installation, I added a network source. I notice that the console reports this as a lenny/sid system. I did not explicitly pick that and thought I was getting an etch system. The only additional packages I installed other than the base are Apache related ones. Can I revert to Etch in sources.list and be safe or should I just do a reinstall? |
| 04:15.19 | Azar | Guerin: you oughta check out the new openbox :) |
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| 04:15.25 | grabin | I think a system-upgrade will upgrade you |
| 04:15.26 | Guerin | hajhouse: it's superb, secure, and easy to use. |
| 04:15.35 | peterS | grabin: that only happens in soviet russia, actually |
| 04:15.37 | hajhouse | Guerin: excellent! |
| 04:15.48 | Guerin | hajhouse: (though unless the users keep their list secure, it's a simple token system) |
| 04:15.50 | Azar | cilkay: you can't go "back" from a testing (lenny) or unstable (sid) version... |
| 04:16.16 | Azar | cilkay: try to install Etch: Debian 4.0 |
| 04:16.22 | cilkay | So why would this silly thing have selected lenny sources during install? I didn't specify that. |
| 04:16.31 | Guerin | cilkay: testing? |
| 04:16.38 | grabin | hm |
| 04:16.40 | hajhouse | Guerin: i think opie might just work. researching now |
| 04:16.49 | cilkay | Nope. It's just an AMD64 Etch installer. |
| 04:16.57 | Guerin | cilkay: funky. |
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| 04:17.23 | Azar | AMD64 thingie...maybe |
| 04:17.25 | cilkay | In fact, in the sources.list, it specifies the CD as an Etch source. |
| 04:17.48 | cilkay | I'll reinstall but skip the "Add Additional Sources" part and add later. |
| 04:17.53 | Azar | it should at least automatically assign a "stable" source.. |
| 04:17.59 | cilkay | indeed |
| 04:18.32 | Markeda | Just out of curiosity, does one need all 21 CDs worth of iso's? I was looking around and didn't see anything saying such specifically, but... the whole talk about "CD sets" is throwing me off a bit... |
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| 04:18.48 | Azar | cilkay: after install inspect your /etc/apt/sources.list file... make sure the sources are all pointing to "stable" or "etch". |
| 04:18.53 | Guerin | Markeda: not at all. If you have fast net, you need only the first. |
| 04:18.54 | cilkay | I also noticed that network performance was very slow. That's because the NIC was in 100BaseTx half-duplex mode. |
| 04:19.09 | Guerin | cilkay: try mii-tool or ethtool to set it |
| 04:19.10 | cilkay | Azar: they're not. That's how I confirmed they're pointing to lenny. |
| 04:19.22 | grabin | In /proc/cpuinfo 4 processors are listed, but top shows 1......uname -a reveals 2.6.18 SMP kernel, can I be confident all 4 processors are being used? |
| 04:19.27 | Azar | Markeda: the whole 21 CDs are for people without a decent connection (broadband) so they have the whole stuff there |
| 04:19.32 | wols | Markeda: with any broadband connection all you need is the netinst iso (150MB) |
| 04:19.34 | cilkay | Guerin: I use mii-tool but that doesn't help during install, does it? |
| 04:19.45 | grabin | ethtool is ncer for me |
| 04:19.52 | Markeda | Ah. So those other discs are for... the packages things? |
| 04:19.56 | cilkay | ethtool doesn't work with this NIC. |
| 04:20.11 | Azar | cilkay: if not, then immediately after install, change the "lenny" to "etch" on all of them, save then run : aptitude update, aptitude upgrade. |
| 04:20.26 | wols | Markeda: no. debian has tens of thousands of packages. and the CDs are sorted after popularity. most installed things first |
| 04:20.30 | grabin | are you using vmware? |
| 04:20.31 | shogunx | grabin, try htop |
| 04:20.35 | cilkay | Azar: I won't get any lenny sources if I don't add additional sources during install. |
| 04:20.36 | grabin | is it a physical box? |
| 04:20.40 | grabin | htop? |
| 04:20.44 | Markeda | Ah... |
| 04:21.12 | shogunx | htop. then you can see the load on each processor |
| 04:21.15 | Azar | cilkay: you will need "at least" two sources line: one that points to the repository with packages, second for security updates. |
| 04:21.19 | grabin | waooo htop is pimp |
| 04:21.20 | cilkay | grabin: yes, bare metal, not Xen or any other virtualization technology. |
| 04:21.33 | grabin | wonder why ethtool wont do anything |
| 04:21.34 | cilkay | Azar: they can be added after installation I'm sure. |
| 04:21.36 | grabin | bugger |
| 04:21.40 | Markeda | So if there's so much stuff with it, Live CD's aren't feasible...? Or am I simply misunderstanding what you are saying there... |
| 04:21.47 | Azar | cilkay: yes. |
| 04:22.04 | grabin | I used the businesscard ISO to install debian and it was liek a dream come true |
| 04:22.08 | grabin | easy as pie |
| 04:22.14 | Azar | cilkay: again, make sure whatever you get, be switched after installation to "etch" |
| 04:22.21 | peterS | I wish making pie were as easy as installing Debian |
| 04:22.24 | peterS | maybe I'd try it some time |
| 04:22.26 | grabin | lol |
| 04:22.29 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.30 | Guerin | making pie IS easy! |
| 04:22.30 | peterS | / \ |
| 04:22.39 | Guerin | (only making pastry is hard |
| 04:22.41 | Guerin | ) |
| 04:22.51 | grabin | so who here is in europe? |
| 04:22.56 | Guerin | !polls |
| 04:22.57 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 04:23.04 | peterS | yeah, well, I don't count dumping something into a pie crust, throwing it in the oven and calling it good. I meant making the whole thing. |
| 04:23.18 | Guerin | peterS: of course. |
| 04:23.26 | grabin | well jesus who makes a whle pie anymore? |
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| 04:23.38 | grabin | Its a lost art |
| 04:23.46 | Guerin | but crumble is much easier and 90% as good |
| 04:24.12 | peterS | is it slower and more expensive than our PC trees? |
| 04:24.20 | grabin | har |
| 04:24.33 | Guerin | peterS: once you pay the upfront cost, the upgrades are free |
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| 04:24.37 | Guerin | but it is DAMN slow |
| 04:24.40 | peterS | heh |
| 04:25.26 | grabin | wow they still seel dialup? |
| 04:25.30 | grabin | sell |
| 04:25.36 | Guerin | cooking is one of my chief pleasures in life |
| 04:25.46 | Guerin | so yeah, I do still believe in doing it right |
| 04:25.57 | grabin | You have a house and an apple tree? |
| 04:26.00 | grabin | youv made it! |
| 04:26.08 | Guerin | grabin: I own neither, so not really. |
| 04:26.13 | grabin | !! |
| 04:26.13 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 04:26.19 | grabin | ? |
| 04:26.21 | JordiGH | Hehehe... |
| 04:26.23 | JordiGH | !! |
| 04:26.23 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 04:26.32 | Guerin | but yes, it's pretty good - a vege garden, an apple tree, a sea from which I can take plenty of fish |
| 04:26.42 | grabin | fish are good |
| 04:26.58 | grabin | yum |
| 04:26.58 | JordiGH | dpkg, no, ! is "I'm not your fucking csh prompt". |
| 04:26.58 | dpkg | JordiGH: okay |
| 04:26.59 | grabin | with pepper and salt and butter |
| 04:27.10 | JordiGH | dpkg, no, ! is I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 04:27.10 | dpkg | okay, JordiGH |
| 04:27.16 | grabin | wow its like my irc habits are against every rule in the book it seems.... |
| 04:27.45 | grabin | no wonder IM abnned from perl, lisp, scheme, apache |
| 04:28.05 | grabin | :( |
| 04:28.45 | grabin | well I ask you fine men to help me to become a good irc citizen, adn to become a real linux admin |
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| 04:29.02 | Guerin | grabin: the first thing you need to do is not talk so damn much |
| 04:29.08 | waltercool | hi there... someone know how fix locale? |
| 04:29.19 | Guerin | waltercool: use a local wrench |
| 04:29.25 | Guerin | locale, obviously |
| 04:29.27 | waltercool | how? |
| 04:29.35 | Guerin | waltercool: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 04:29.41 | waltercool | i make that |
| 04:29.44 | waltercool | but i have a error |
| 04:30.03 | waltercool | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.08 | waltercool | and i have locale installed :S |
| 04:30.20 | Guerin | did I say locale? |
| 04:30.24 | Guerin | Didn't think I did. |
| 04:30.30 | waltercool | uy... sorry |
| 04:30.40 | waltercool | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.41 | waltercool | same |
| 04:30.41 | Guerin | don't bring uruguay into this |
| 04:30.57 | waltercool | or semi-same |
| 04:31.01 | Guerin | waltercool: fully install it. aptitude -f install; - if it fails, post output |
| 04:31.24 | waltercool | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 04:31.24 | waltercool | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.39 | Guerin | waltercool: put the full output on paster, that means nothing to us |
| 04:32.05 | waltercool | ok |
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| 04:32.54 | waltercool | http://www.pastebin.ca/585251 |
| 04:34.30 | Guerin | waltercool: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/locales.postinst; then try again |
| 04:34.42 | Guerin | waltercool: you'll then have to d-r locales |
| 04:34.44 | waltercool | what have this file? |
| 04:35.09 | Guerin | waltercool: it's the postinstall script which threw error 9 - clearly a bug which will undoubtedly be fixed very soon |
| 04:35.20 | waltercool | oh... ic |
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| 04:36.15 | grabin | woa |
| 04:36.24 | grabin | Guer you sound on the ball |
| 04:37.01 | waltercool | seeking... |
| 04:37.43 | waltercool | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 04:37.43 | waltercool | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 04:37.43 | waltercool | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 04:38.11 | Guerin | waltercool: ignore the warnings |
| 04:38.25 | Guerin | waltercool: if it installs, run d-r locales |
| 04:38.55 | waltercool | dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 04:39.09 | Guerin | yesh. |
| 04:39.50 | waltercool | works... but i still with the problem Guerin |
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| 04:40.26 | Guerin | what problem? |
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| 04:40.48 | waltercool | same |
| 04:40.55 | Guerin | what fucking problem? |
| 04:40.59 | Guerin | same as what? |
| 04:41.22 | waltercool | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 04:41.22 | waltercool | DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::SpacerItem' during global destruction. |
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| 04:41.51 | Guerin | ok, what happens when you run aptitude -f install? |
| 04:42.10 | Guerin | if it doesn't run clean, post the output again |
| 04:42.28 | karsten | How do I bail out of a .tcshrc script, within it? I want to test a condition, the bail from .cshrc. |
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| 04:43.50 | waltercool | http://www.pastebin.ca/585258 |
| 04:44.26 | Guerin | waltercool: and dpkg-reconfigure locales; still throws the same error? |
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| 04:44.53 | waltercool | no, opens a window for configurate locales |
| 04:45.03 | Guerin | waltercool: so configurate the fucking locales |
| 04:45.19 | waltercool | i did that 6 times |
| 04:45.23 | karsten | Guerin: Mind your language. |
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| 04:45.33 | Guerin | karsten: hilarious. |
| 04:45.49 | Guerin | waltercool: what locale did you select as default? |
| 04:45.59 | waltercool | es_CL_UTF8 |
| 04:46.20 | karsten | waltercool: For shins'n'grits, either log out and log back in, or run 'ssh localhost' (assuming you've got ssh client/server installed) and check locale. |
| 04:46.34 | Guerin | waltercool: and after doing so, what is the output of /usr/bin/locale ? |
| 04:46.46 | Guerin | yes, after re-login |
| 04:47.14 | waltercool | u havent ssh installed |
| 04:47.23 | karsten | !installit |
| 04:47.23 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 04:47.41 | karsten | waltercool: ssh is sufficiently useful that I'd very strongly suggest you install it. |
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| 04:48.15 | waltercool | !ssh |
| 04:48.16 | dpkg | methinks ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 04:48.25 | karsten | waltercool: /msg the bots. |
| 04:48.38 | waltercool | karsten: ok, sorry |
| 04:48.41 | karsten | NP |
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| 04:49.35 | waltercool | going to logout and login |
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| 04:51.49 | cartesian1984 | In what package is wlanconfig, and how can I figure this stuff out? |
| 04:52.00 | cafuego | !find wlanconfig |
| 04:52.00 | karsten | !search |
| 04:52.00 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 04:52.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'wlanconfig' (1): (/sbin/wlanconfig) in contrib/net/madwifi-tools. |
| 04:52.28 | cartesian1984 | Thanks, guys. |
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| 04:53.00 | waltercool | http://www.pastebin.ca/585272 |
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| 04:57.18 | hoodlum | hi, if i was to change the default block size of my hard disk in fdisk, where would i go to do this? |
| 04:57.29 | hoodlum | or what would i do to change the default block size regardless |
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| 04:57.54 | wols | hoodlum: not fdisk |
| 04:58.02 | wols | you do it when formatting the partition |
| 04:58.05 | hoodlum | ok |
| 04:58.07 | hoodlum | hmm |
| 04:58.09 | wols | man your favourite mkfs tool |
| 04:58.16 | karsten | hoodlum: blocksize is a filesystem attribute. |
| 04:58.23 | hoodlum | ah yeah |
| 04:58.27 | hoodlum | yeah mkfs makes sense |
| 04:58.34 | hoodlum | mkfs.ext3 or what ever |
| 04:58.56 | wols | yes. first option in mkfs.ext3 manpage |
| 04:59.01 | hoodlum | tah wols |
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| 04:59.17 | hoodlum | oh nice wols, thanks :D |
| 05:00.15 | amigamia | hi any news on the debian-med project? |
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| 05:03.51 | Guerin | amigamia: this channel has nothing to do with it; better to email the organisers |
| 05:04.16 | amigamia | ok guerin..that means no feedback ;( |
| 05:04.20 | amigamia | but thanks. |
| 05:04.23 | dwu | Good lord, is quite in here, innit. |
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| 05:04.50 | Guerin | dwu: quite quiet, yes. |
| 05:04.54 | dwu | s/ite/iet/ |
| 05:04.58 | dwu | Yes, yes. |
| 05:05.07 | thirst | is there a way to ftp a whole directory using any command line ftp |
| 05:05.16 | Guerin | thirst: yes, use lftp |
| 05:05.22 | thirst | Guerin: ok |
| 05:05.23 | waltercool | Guerin: now i fix that stupid thing... |
| 05:05.28 | Guerin | waltercool: hurrah |
| 05:05.29 | waltercool | Guerin: now i "have" fix that stupid thing... |
| 05:05.47 | waltercool | Guerin: I have uninstalled locales and installed locales-all |
| 05:05.56 | Guerin | waltercool: and it works? |
| 05:06.09 | waltercool | yeah... now i have my apps in my language :) |
| 05:06.16 | Guerin | waltercool: nice workaround. |
| 05:06.23 | waltercool | :) thanks for all |
| 05:06.26 | Guerin | hell, disk space is cheap |
| 05:06.49 | dwu | Guerin: Why contemplate? Surely it's always going to be a yes. :) |
| 05:08.49 | thirst | thanks Guerin. bye |
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| 05:12.21 | Guerin | dwu: you're right, of course. |
| 05:12.56 | Guerin | black, red or oolong is the next question |
| 05:13.00 | waltercool | why when i press power button, debian dont shutdown? |
| 05:13.22 | Guerin | waltercool: because you haven't got acpi working properly |
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| 05:13.34 | waltercool | some special package? |
| 05:13.36 | Guerin | waltercool: install powersaved and it might start working |
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| 05:13.45 | endra | hey |
| 05:13.53 | metbsd | aptitude install and apt-get install are the same? |
| 05:13.58 | Guerin | metbsd: no. |
| 05:13.59 | waltercool | :) testing... |
| 05:14.04 | waltercool | metbsd: same... no |
| 05:14.05 | endra | TeamSpeak is asking me for my sound driver.. what do I put in? It lets me choose default of /dev/dsp, but I use ALSA, should I keep it default? |
| 05:14.17 | metbsd | aptitude install kde, and apt-get install kde, what's the difference |
| 05:14.17 | Guerin | endra: use /dev/dsp, yes |
| 05:14.23 | Guerin | !aptitude |
| 05:14.23 | dpkg | i heard aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 05:14.27 | Guerin | metbsd: read ↑ |
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| 05:16.06 | metbsd | so i better use aptitude from now? |
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| 05:16.55 | cast | if you want to make your life a bit easier, year |
| 05:16.59 | waltercool | metbsd: aptitude is an app with gui |
| 05:17.07 | waltercool | aptitude use apt-get |
| 05:17.22 | cast | waltercool: no |
| 05:17.27 | waltercool | no? |
| 05:17.32 | metbsd | dam it i have been using apt-get install |
| 05:17.32 | Guerin | not at all |
| 05:17.33 | metbsd | so i was wrong |
| 05:17.41 | Guerin | waltercool: read the factoid above |
| 05:18.02 | metbsd | dpkg: why not aptitude |
| 05:18.02 | dpkg | aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. |
| 05:18.05 | waltercool | oh... ic |
| 05:18.09 | metbsd | omg |
| 05:18.10 | endra | Guerin: thank you |
| 05:18.15 | metbsd | dpkg: why aptitude |
| 05:18.16 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 05:18.17 | waltercool | lol... |
| 05:18.27 | metbsd | aptitude is buggy! |
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| 05:18.36 | Guerin | metbsd: name me one tool which isn't |
| 05:18.43 | waltercool | metbsd: use aptitude if u want know packages more easy :) |
| 05:18.43 | metbsd | apt-get |
| 05:18.53 | Guerin | metbsd: oh, no, apt-get has plenty of bugs |
| 05:18.58 | metbsd | right now i'm installing kde |
| 05:19.02 | Guerin | you've just learned to live with them |
| 05:19.09 | metbsd | dpkg: why not apt-get |
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| 05:19.26 | Guerin | dpkg, why not apt-0get is because it's not aptitude |
| 05:19.26 | dpkg | Guerin: what are you talking about? |
| 05:19.29 | peterS | metbsd: because aptitude is better than apt-get in quite a few ways |
| 05:19.35 | Guerin | dpkg, why not apt-get is because it's not aptitude |
| 05:19.35 | dpkg | Guerin: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 05:19.39 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:19.49 | Guerin | dpkg, why not apt-get is <reply> because it's not aptitude |
| 05:19.49 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 05:20.12 | metbsd | dpkg: why not apt-get is <reply> aptitude is buggy |
| 05:20.12 | dpkg | ...but why not apt-get is already something else... |
| 05:20.21 | Guerin | metbsd: fuck off and die |
| 05:20.35 | peterS | metbsd: have you filed bug reports? |
| 05:20.40 | waltercool | dpkg: isnt a bot? |
| 05:20.46 | peterS | "is buggy", by the way, isn't a very good bug report |
| 05:20.47 | metbsd | not yet, planning on doing that |
| 05:20.48 | Guerin | that's not a reason to not use apt-get |
| 05:20.57 | Guerin | metbsd: make sure you read the existing reports |
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| 05:21.05 | metbsd | so what's the reason not to use apt-get |
| 05:21.09 | Guerin | i think you'll find the devs are aware of them |
| 05:21.15 | Guerin | metbsd: because it's not aptitude |
| 05:21.18 | cast | metbsd: really, we've already gone over this |
| 05:21.23 | Guerin | metbsd: now go and read the fucking links above |
| 05:21.27 | peterS | it's very simple. because aptitude can do things that apt-get can't, and does other things better |
| 05:21.44 | Guerin | metbsd: once you've read them, you can come back and argue the toss. Until then, leave it out. |
| 05:21.53 | metbsd | what things apt-get can, and aptitude cannot? |
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| 05:22.04 | peterS | apt-get was never intended to be an end-user tool, it was a demo for the apt system, it only grew into a user tool because real user tools like aptitude and synaptic were too long in coming. |
| 05:22.20 | gordboy | i use clapt-out to uninstall packages |
| 05:23.36 | thirst | Guerin: i cannot seem to be able to do "mget foodir" it says "access failed, not a file". Is there some other command to do that in lftp, couldnt find it in man page either |
| 05:24.03 | metbsd | is there a way to install a bunch of pkgs? |
| 05:24.12 | metbsd | aptitude install kde gnome xfce so on |
| 05:24.14 | Guerin | thirst: mirror |
| 05:24.17 | metbsd | can i do that? |
| 05:24.19 | waltercool | metbsd: using + in aptitude |
| 05:24.21 | Guerin | metbsd: try it and fucking see |
| 05:24.21 | thirst | Guerin: ok |
| 05:24.24 | Guerin | metbsd: man aptitude |
| 05:25.27 | metbsd | it doesn't say how to install bunch of pkgs |
| 05:25.33 | Guerin | yes, it does |
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| 05:25.46 | wols | metbsd: are you running kubuntu or debian? |
| 05:26.02 | waltercool | metbsd: U need select it using key "+" |
| 05:26.09 | wols | !u |
| 05:26.09 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:26.09 | Guerin | waltercool: no, you don't |
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| 05:26.15 | Guerin | aptitude works from the command line |
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| 05:26.38 | Guerin | ok, you dumb pair of bastards, NEITHER of you have fucking read the links I gave you in answer to your questions about aptitude |
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| 05:26.55 | Guerin | if you don't want an answer, don't ask the fucking question |
| 05:26.55 | waltercool | Guerin: i have an gui interfase in aptitude :S |
| 05:26.57 | Guerin | !aptitude |
| 05:26.57 | dpkg | somebody said aptitude was "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 05:27.02 | peterS | metbsd: why do you ask a question whose answer you could get just by trying something? |
| 05:27.02 | Guerin | now go and fucking read this time |
| 05:27.06 | Guerin | twats |
| 05:27.11 | peterS | metbsd: "can I type xxxxxx?" is always a stupid question. try it, see if it works. |
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| 05:28.32 | waltercool | peterS: Good words |
| 05:28.40 | littleball | hello, who can help me on this bash script? i have a script.sh file, which include line x=`/usr/sbin/asterisk -r -x 'show version'|cut -d ' ' -f 1`. If i run script.sh in frontground, it works properly. If i try to run it on background by using nohup ./script.sh &, it hang on this line |
| 05:28.46 | gordboy | Guerin, please. pretty please. could you stop giving out insults to the hapless lamers. thank you |
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| 05:29.16 | waltercool | littleball: #bash? |
| 05:29.22 | littleball | yes |
| 05:29.23 | wols | gordboy: why? they deserve it. don't cuddle them and make them think being an ideiot is OK |
| 05:29.25 | metbsd | i was using ubuntu before, i find it sucks, so i'm coming to debian now |
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| 05:29.39 | metbsd | ubuntu installation cd failed me |
| 05:29.46 | wols | you were using debian, then you were using kubuntu. dunno what you use now |
| 05:29.49 | metbsd | only debian give me successful installatino |
| 05:29.50 | littleball | waltercool, it seems that the "nohup and & " make the | not work |
| 05:30.00 | metbsd | using debian now |
| 05:30.07 | metbsd | actually it doesn't matter what i use |
| 05:30.23 | metbsd | we use all debian where i work |
| 05:30.24 | waltercool | littleball: mmm... |
| 05:30.26 | wols | it does. it's a debian channel here |
| 05:30.42 | metbsd | but i use debian, freebsd, netbsd |
| 05:30.48 | metbsd | can i only stay in one channel? |
| 05:30.56 | waltercool | littleball: mmm... have u asked in bash channel? |
| 05:31.01 | peterS | you can stay in as many channels as you wish |
| 05:31.06 | metbsd | will you blame on me if i stay in more than just debian? |
| 05:31.07 | peterS | well, up to 20, that's the freenode limit |
| 05:31.12 | littleball | /usr/sbin/asterisk -r -x 'show version' should out put 'Asterisk ....', and i try to pipe to cut command. |
| 05:31.22 | cartesian1984 | metbsd: nah, you can /join other channels and move between them with alt+1 or alt+2 etc. |
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| 05:31.27 | cartesian1984 | metbsd: at least in irssi. |
| 05:31.35 | metbsd | it's funny you ask me what i use though |
| 05:31.39 | littleball | waltercool, ask them now |
| 05:31.39 | metbsd | wols |
| 05:31.46 | metbsd | what do you use, wols |
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| 05:32.08 | waltercool | littleball: yeah... because idk asterisk xD |
| 05:32.13 | Gigantic | .!boo |
| 05:32.14 | cartesian1984 | metbsd: debian I'm guessing, since we're in Debian :D |
| 05:32.22 | wols | sid |
| 05:32.33 | metbsd | that's the least stable debian |
| 05:32.39 | metbsd | no thanks |
| 05:32.52 | metbsd | stablity is important |
| 05:32.54 | cartesian1984 | metbsd: Debian Unstable is still pretty stable. Because it's Debian, baby :) |
| 05:32.55 | Guerin | gordboy: hilarious. |
| 05:33.02 | metbsd | so are usability and configurability |
| 05:33.10 | Guerin | cartesian1984: well, not really |
| 05:33.14 | Guerin | !meaning of stable |
| 05:33.14 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 05:33.21 | Guerin | cartesian1984: ↑ |
| 05:33.34 | wols | Guerin: well it'S stable in that it doesn't crash and the rest I can deal with |
| 05:33.40 | metbsd | haha |
| 05:33.44 | miizk | I have an honest question |
| 05:33.46 | Guerin | wols: you say that today, but ... |
| 05:34.02 | miizk | Umm, what would you guys say the reinstall ratio per day for a new user is? |
| 05:34.11 | cartesian1984 | Guerin: I define stable as "it doesn't break, or at least not often" I'm not really concerned with what other people consider stable. |
| 05:34.15 | gordboy | Guerin, i'm glad you got it. wols is a bit slow. or dumb. or both. who knows |
| 05:34.19 | Guerin | miizk: what is this `reinstall' of which you speak? |
| 05:34.19 | wols | miizk: what is a reinstall ratio |
| 05:34.29 | metbsd | you install debian once and for all |
| 05:34.30 | miizk | reinstalling debian! |
| 05:34.37 | Gigantic | mhhh that\s too rude |
| 05:34.38 | metbsd | why you want to reinstall debian |
| 05:34.40 | Guerin | gordboy: he's german, I hear they don't understand this concept of `humour' |
| 05:34.44 | metbsd | it's no windows |
| 05:34.44 | djw | you only upgrade Debian |
| 05:34.50 | miizk | 3 times in 1 day.. =\ |
| 05:34.51 | Guerin | miizk: never heard of it |
| 05:34.53 | metbsd | you can't downgrade debian though |
| 05:34.53 | miizk | still learning i guess |
| 05:35.02 | metbsd | what's so difficult to learn |
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| 05:35.21 | Guerin | miizk: you ask that question, and yet you also ask other, stupid questions which show you can't |
| 05:35.24 | Guerin | argh |
| 05:35.41 | Guerin | metbsd: y ou ask that question, and yet you also ask other, stupid questions which show you can't |
| 05:35.46 | metbsd | ok i have enough of all you people's stupid question |
| 05:35.48 | Guerin | miizk: sorry, not you |
| 05:36.00 | metbsd | and stupid answer of yours Guerin |
| 05:36.13 | metbsd | you can downgrade sid to stable? |
| 05:36.17 | Guerin | metbsd: does that mean you're going to fuck off now? |
| 05:36.20 | metbsd | my question is stupid? |
| 05:36.27 | metbsd | you go jerk off |
| 05:36.28 | miizk | WTB an adult! |
| 05:36.34 | wols | 07:34 < metbsd> you can't downgrade debian though |
| 05:36.38 | peterS | metbsd: no, you can't. you can try, but not everything will work, and nobody will try to fix what doesn't, because nobody is interested in supporting that case |
| 05:36.41 | wols | metbsd: very stupid |
| 05:36.45 | metbsd | you can? |
| 05:36.48 | metbsd | i couldn't |
| 05:36.54 | Guerin | metbsd: you can *try* |
| 05:36.55 | metbsd | once apt-get update |
| 05:36.58 | Guerin | i've done it |
| 05:37.10 | metbsd | oh |
| 05:37.13 | Guerin | but it took longer than a backup and reinstall would have |
| 05:37.29 | Guerin | miizk: please don't lol in my ear |
| 05:37.41 | wols | if you can apply enough --force and fix the unforcable breakage, it's doable. but you are on your own and except a conslutant, no one will help you |
| 05:37.53 | Guerin | conslutant |
| 05:38.05 | Guerin | maybe he does have a sense of humour after all ;) |
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| 05:41.42 | Gigantic | !fed with too much crap |
| 05:41.50 | Gigantic | !puke |
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| 05:43.11 | draeath | how can i know what endian my machine is? |
| 05:43.21 | draeath | i have a pentium D 805 (64-bit) |
| 05:43.45 | metbsd | anyone use kde? why is it still 3.5.6, should be .7 |
| 05:43.50 | metbsd | upgrade that shit |
| 05:43.51 | Gigantic | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:43.55 | wols | big endian |
| 05:44.05 | wols | hm. lemme check |
| 05:44.10 | wols | I think I'm consufed |
| 05:44.23 | draeath | ty |
| 05:44.27 | draeath | i think.. |
| 05:45.04 | wols | the most significan byte on intel x86 is on the right |
| 05:45.15 | wols | LSB is on the left. whatever that is :) |
| 05:45.22 | liable | 86 is le |
| 05:45.23 | draeath | hmm that doesnt help |
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| 05:45.24 | miizk | i have a general networking question. i think i have it figured out but could be confused. i want to set up a home network / web server, would the best way to do this is plug my modem/router into a firewall/dns server machine with 2 ethernet cards, then forward all ports to that, then forward the appropriate ports off of the dns server/ firewall machine? |
| 05:45.38 | draeath | really i need to know that endian my kernel is... |
| 05:45.43 | draeath | not what hte hardware is |
| 05:45.47 | wols | draeath: it is little endian. sorry |
| 05:45.49 | wols | I googled |
| 05:45.52 | draeath | heh |
| 05:46.10 | draeath | thanks... but everything user-side in amd64 debian is little or big endian? |
| 05:46.21 | Guerin | big endian FTW |
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| 05:46.26 | Guerin | (for dates, anyway) |
| 05:46.52 | wols | it is little endian everywhere on your machine. no exceptions. the CPU can't switch (powerpc can btw) |
| 05:46.55 | peterS | draeath: everything related to i386 and amd64 is little-endian. period. |
| 05:47.04 | mmlj4 | miizk: seems like the first forwarding thing might not be needed |
| 05:47.13 | wols | endianess usually is determined by your hardware |
| 05:47.33 | wols | miizk: use your existing router and forward port80 to a debian box on your LAN. done |
| 05:47.43 | mmlj4 | can your modem let your firewall have a routable IP address? or are you forced to run a private IP behind NAT? |
| 05:47.45 | wols | anything else is called "waste of electrical power" |
| 05:47.46 | Szeraax | sorry all, endianess? |
| 05:48.06 | wols | depends how many IPs your ISP gives you. usually one only |
| 05:48.12 | draeath | Szeraax, bit order in memory |
| 05:48.14 | peterS | Szeraax: yeah we're talking about endianness |
| 05:48.20 | Szeraax | ah |
| 05:48.27 | Szeraax | now in on line of thinking... |
| 05:48.32 | Szeraax | thanks |
| 05:48.39 | mmlj4 | around here we kill those that have the wrong endian order |
| 05:48.54 | Guerin | middle endians must die! |
| 05:48.55 | mmlj4 | we outsource it to this huge guy |
| 05:49.04 | draeath | hmm im trying to build some software some dorks build without useing ./configure |
| 05:49.16 | draeath | basically i need to edit the makefile and make.conf myself |
| 05:49.21 | Guerin | Big-endia has always been at war with Middle-endia! |
| 05:49.23 | metbsd | hey why is kde not upgraded? |
| 05:49.29 | metbsd | so is vim |
| 05:49.32 | Guerin | miizk: because of the reason. |
| 05:49.34 | draeath | er, stability? |
| 05:49.34 | wols | !tell metbsd about bat |
| 05:49.57 | peterS | Guerin: are we at peace with little-endia, then? |
| 05:49.57 | Guerin | metbsd: because of the reason. |
| 05:49.57 | wols | peterS: and if yes, for how long? |
| 05:49.57 | Guerin | peterS: always have been, comrade. |
| 05:49.57 | draeath | metbsd, debian has a very strict release schedual |
| 05:50.04 | mmlj4 | !tell mmlj4 about bat |
| 05:50.09 | metbsd | when is kde 3.5.7 scheduled? |
| 05:50.18 | wols | draeath: yes. "when it's ready". best scheudle EVA |
| 05:50.19 | mmlj4 | gr... |
| 05:50.21 | mmlj4 | no workie |
| 05:50.23 | draeath | cal3d_wrapper.cpp:1:25: error: cal3d/cal3d.h: No such file or directory |
| 05:50.24 | Guerin | metbsd: /msg dpkg wir |
| 05:50.25 | draeath | awsome |
| 05:50.31 | draeath | i love windows developers |
| 05:50.47 | metbsd | ok, very soon i'll help getting x window to work |
| 05:50.47 | mmlj4 | lucky them, at least one of us here does |
| 05:50.55 | wols | draeath: didn't you get a MSVC project file??!1? |
| 05:50.57 | Guerin | loong time |
| 05:51.18 | draeath | wols, well, i did get this wierd binary thingy... |
| 05:51.19 | draeath | ;) |
| 05:51.20 | wols | miizk: don't do this! |
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| 05:51.38 | wols | wierd. binary. must be it. no other way |
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| 05:51.56 | metbsd | what's that command to config x window? |
| 05:52.02 | metbsd | in bsd i used X -configure |
| 05:52.09 | wols | !drxx |
| 05:52.09 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 05:52.14 | metbsd | in debian there must be weird command to do the exact same thing |
| 05:52.23 | metbsd | there we go |
| 05:52.26 | wols | miizk: stop that msging you imbecile |
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| 05:52.45 | wols | metbsd: we prefer to cal it "prettier" |
| 05:52.57 | metbsd | yah it is |
| 05:53.10 | metbsd | dpkg-reconrigure xorg-configure |
| 05:53.26 | peterS | metbsd: try and actually read. dpkg told you what to type, and it wasn't that. |
| 05:53.28 | draeath | metbsd, you can still use X -configure but its more painfull |
| 05:53.30 | metbsd | oos it's dpkg-config reconfig xorg-core |
| 05:53.34 | wols | !tell miizk about guidelines |
| 05:53.37 | wols | and stop that msging |
| 05:53.50 | peterS | metbsd: you're getting more and more confused. at some point you should just type what you see on the screen rather than making up random permutations of it first |
| 05:53.55 | stew | wols: there is no need for namecalling, just use ignore |
| 05:54.00 | alaya_ | oh man |
| 05:54.12 | Guerin | stew: the farce is strong with this onw |
| 05:54.28 | wols | I did not message you in any way, shape or form |
| 05:54.29 | metbsd | but why the naming scheme, why not dpkg-config xorg-core |
| 05:54.40 | Guerin | metbsd: because of the reason |
| 05:54.51 | draeath | oh I LOVE makefiles that don't put the compiled binaries somewhere sensical, and I have to go digging |
| 05:54.52 | miizk | <wols> miizk: use your existing router and forward port80 to a debian box on your LAN. done |
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| 05:54.58 | miizk | retard |
| 05:55.00 | peterS | metbsd: because we don't like to make up random command names that you happen to think are appropriate |
| 05:55.03 | metbsd | hmm, kde does not install xorg for me? |
| 05:55.16 | peterS | metbsd: it is called dpkg-reconfigure, not dpkg-config, and you'll just have to be content with that |
| 05:55.17 | Guerin | metbsd: why should it? It's not necessary. |
| 05:55.20 | renewbie | my card is not being detected on laptop.. how can I diagnose it on deb? I am using etch with 2.6.20.1 kernel |
| 05:55.21 | draeath | metbsd, nope. you dont need a local X server... |
| 05:55.25 | wols | metbsd: can you tell me what package is xorg-core? cause I can't find it |
| 05:55.26 | draeath | metbsd, most people want one though |
| 05:55.28 | Guerin | renewbie: what card? |
| 05:55.29 | peterS | metbsd: and the package name for the xorg X server is called xserver-xorg, and you'll just have to be content with that too |
| 05:55.30 | metbsd | kde can run without x server? |
| 05:55.40 | renewbie | Guerin: cardbus wireless |
| 05:55.44 | Guerin | metbsd: without *local* x server, yes. |
| 05:55.47 | metbsd | x server xorg |
| 05:55.48 | draeath | metbsd, yes, kdm can connect to a remote X server. thats the whole deal with X |
| 05:55.52 | Guerin | renewbie: lspci whows it? |
| 05:56.01 | renewbie | Guerin: nope |
| 05:56.08 | wols | miizk: that is not a message, it's a public channel message with your nick so it get highlighted. you however used /msg which I did not |
| 05:56.15 | Guerin | renewbie: anything in dmesg? |
| 05:56.22 | wols | so please look in the mirror for a retard and read some irc help |
| 05:56.24 | draeath | metbsd, package name is xorg |
| 05:56.24 | metbsd | is it like smtpserver-postfix? |
| 05:56.34 | Guerin | renewbie: and what sort of card - mini-pci or pcmcia? |
| 05:56.41 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 05:56.42 | Guerin | cardbus |
| 05:56.45 | Guerin | my bad |
| 05:56.48 | peterS | draeath: stop spreading misinformation, the correct command uses the package name xserver-xorg |
| 05:56.54 | metbsd | card bus is old |
| 05:56.56 | alaya_ | i should really be rebooting and installing the new 2gb memory module |
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| 05:57.12 | Guerin | metbsd: if you have concerns with the naming scheme of debian packages, I suggest you file bugs against them. (which will be summarily closed) |
| 05:57.26 | draeath | peterS, i wasn't giving a command! he wanted to know what package it was so I gave him what apt-cache gave me. to quote: |
| 05:57.32 | draeath | xorg - X.Org X Window System |
| 05:57.44 | peterS | draeath: yes, and that is the _wrong_ package name for what he wants to do |
| 05:57.46 | draeath | i suppose this works too... |
| 05:57.47 | metbsd | so i aptitude install xorg? |
| 05:57.48 | draeath | xserver-xorg - the X.Org X server |
| 05:57.54 | Guerin | metbsd: yes. |
| 05:58.04 | peterS | draeath: we already told him the right answer, if you are just guessing and guess something different from what we've already said, please assume that your guess is incorrect |
| 05:58.10 | metbsd | what about xorg-core |
| 05:58.17 | Guerin | renewbie: no, you told me it's cardbus already. |
| 05:58.19 | peterS | metbsd: EFFING TRY IT ALREADY |
| 05:58.19 | draeath | i wasn't -guessing- |
| 05:58.19 | metbsd | and that X-windows-system-core |
| 05:58.29 | wols | renewbie: lspcmcia |
| 05:58.37 | Guerin | renewbie: does it show in dmesg? Is there a light which comes on or something? Do other cardbus cards work? |
| 05:58.43 | metbsd | i remember i was apt-get install x-windows-system-core before.. back one version before |
| 05:58.53 | Guerin | peterS: you almost SWORE! |
| 05:59.05 | draeath | metbsd, if you are in doubt of a package... "aptitude show PACKAGE" gives you info |
| 05:59.06 | renewbie | Guerin: nope it is not showing in dmesg as well |
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| 05:59.11 | peterS | metbsd: we. already. told. you. what. to. type. in. order. to. configure. your. X. server. |
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| 05:59.12 | Szeraax | its the x-windows-system |
| 05:59.12 | Guerin | renewbie: do what wols said |
| 05:59.17 | peterS | metbsd: stop speculating and do as you're told, or go away |
| 05:59.22 | peterS | Szeraax: it isn't |
| 05:59.25 | wols | renewbie: is it showing in lspcmcia? |
| 05:59.32 | metbsd | i'm going to do it |
| 05:59.33 | renewbie | http://pastebin.ca/585337 |
| 05:59.38 | sunrises | hi, anybosy know the rc file name for sh? |
| 05:59.39 | waltercool | aptitude have gui version, right? |
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| 05:59.44 | Szeraax | peterS, didnt mean package name, btw. i know that that came out a ton a bit confusing |
| 05:59.46 | wols | waltercool: no |
| 05:59.47 | metbsd | but i have nothing to do before kde being dled |
| 05:59.55 | Guerin | sunrises: sh shouldn't need a rc file |
| 05:59.56 | renewbie | wols: command does not exist |
| 06:00.02 | metbsd | what's better thig to do until kde is dled |
| 06:00.05 | wols | then install it |
| 06:00.11 | renewbie | which package is it (lspcmcia)? |
| 06:00.13 | Szeraax | metbsd, terminal games! |
| 06:00.16 | waltercool | wols: Why so, when i make # aptitude i have a gui interfase? |
| 06:00.19 | wols | !tell metbsd about grounding |
| 06:00.21 | peterS | metbsd: you can surely think of better things to do than to spout nonsense which we have to correct lest someone else think you're giving good information |
| 06:00.22 | metbsd | aptitude is locked, can't install other programs |
| 06:00.24 | wols | metbsd: read that. you need it |
| 06:00.26 | sunrises | Guerin: so i need to run a script |
| 06:00.35 | Guerin | sunrises: wtf? |
| 06:00.38 | alaya_ | asciijump is a kick ass game |
| 06:00.39 | metbsd | i'm quite familar with installation anyways |
| 06:00.46 | metbsd | just aptitude install and aptitude deinstall |
| 06:00.51 | Szeraax | metbsd, you dont happen to have a wife handy do you? |
| 06:00.52 | Guerin | sunrises: sh is the bourne shell, or similar. It's not a service. |
| 06:01.14 | Guerin | metbsd: and again, your stupidity shines through. |
| 06:01.23 | metbsd | sorry i mean, aptitude remove |
| 06:01.24 | wols | !tell renewbie about search |
| 06:01.33 | renewbie | wols: just installing |
| 06:01.36 | sunrises | Guerin: i need to run a script while sh execute in the same way you can do with .bashrc |
| 06:01.52 | renewbie | wols: looks like its pcmciautils |
| 06:01.57 | metbsd | yes i have a wife |
| 06:02.00 | wols | Guerin: he's not stupid. he'S just specially inexperienced |
| 06:02.00 | Guerin | sunrises: you mean like a .shrc? |
| 06:02.07 | sunrises | Guerin: right |
| 06:02.10 | metbsd | but she said i played too much linux, she doesn't want to marry me anymore |
| 06:02.10 | wols | rookiehwm: yes. |
| 06:02.11 | Guerin | wols: with delusions of competence |
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| 06:02.20 | Szeraax | dang |
| 06:02.36 | Guerin | sunrises: sh should be a symlink to bash, so bashrc will work |
| 06:02.44 | renewbie | wols: lspcmcia returns nothing |
| 06:02.46 | metbsd | 89% |
| 06:02.50 | metbsd | 90% |
| 06:02.54 | sunrises | Guerin: i have only sh not bash |
| 06:02.56 | Szeraax | metbsd, well, you could go talk to her, or something... |
| 06:03.01 | peterS | Guerin: bash doesn't read the same startup files if it is called as "sh", though. careful. |
| 06:03.03 | Guerin | sunrises: then you're not running debian. |
| 06:03.12 | wols | is the pcmcia controller driver loadeed? |
| 06:03.14 | Guerin | peterS: oh,\ it doesn't? My bad. |
| 06:03.19 | metbsd | she's not here. i told her to leave me alone so i can have some time with my girlfriend |
| 06:03.27 | sunrises | sunrises: i know, that's on a busybox |
| 06:03.30 | wols | the installer asks you about it on install if you want to remove them I think |
| 06:03.34 | wols | maybe you answered yes? |
| 06:03.35 | Szeraax | metbsd, dang. you set yourself up for boredom then... |
| 06:03.36 | alaya_ | 21.58 on the finland k120! |
| 06:03.40 | Guerin | sunrises: oh. Busybox. Yay. |
| 06:03.41 | metbsd | i got bored of my wife |
| 06:03.58 | metbsd | i shouldn't get married |
| 06:04.06 | Gigantic | sunrises: normal sh does not support that, tho, you can make 'login' to run stuff |
| 06:04.12 | metbsd | Szeraax: are you married? |
| 06:04.18 | wols | metbsd: you're right there. don't produce offspring, save the gene pool! |
| 06:04.20 | Szeraax | metbsd, well, it sounds like to need to go find something fun like a lazer pointer to play with while you wait... |
| 06:04.25 | Szeraax | metbsd, nah. |
| 06:04.27 | sunrises | sunrises: oh |
| 06:04.37 | metbsd | that sounds so fun |
| 06:04.52 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:04.59 | renewbie | wols: lspcmcia was already there it is available to root user |
| 06:04.59 | Szeraax | metbsd, i have 2 flashlights and a lazer pointer 1 foot away right now |
| 06:05.03 | Guerin | i recommend playing with a sharp knife or a handgun |
| 06:05.14 | metbsd | you must be american, Guerin |
| 06:05.22 | Szeraax | haha |
| 06:05.25 | Guerin | metbsd: not at all. |
| 06:05.27 | Gigantic | :) |
| 06:05.32 | liable | oh, its much worse than that |
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| 06:05.45 | Guerin | metbsd: i just think those would be particularly useful things for you to mess about with. |
| 06:06.06 | Guerin | maybe a fork ... and an electric socket |
| 06:06.09 | wols | metbsd: he told _you_ do play with those. and I think he has a very good point there. Just drink some bourbon or spirit of choice while you do it. lots of it |
| 06:06.19 | Guerin | not bourbon |
| 06:06.21 | Guerin | baijiu |
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| 06:06.33 | metbsd | 96% now |
| 06:06.34 | Guerin | *much* more potent, and cheaper to boot |
| 06:06.41 | wols | I'm not as worldly as you.don't know those exotix drinks |
| 06:06.58 | metbsd | i'll have some drink with my collegues tonight |
| 06:07.02 | Szeraax | Guerin, if you want "potent" go down to a fule station and drink a cup of gas... |
| 06:07.05 | metbsd | she happens to be my manager's wife |
| 06:07.07 | peterS | metbsd: next time you post something meaningless like "96%" as a way to amuse yourself at the expense of everyone else in the channel, you get +q for awhile |
| 06:07.11 | Guerin | wols: baijiu isn't exotic, it's just chinese rot-gut |
| 06:07.13 | metbsd | i didn't know until yesterday |
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| 06:07.28 | metbsd | so i hope she can convince her husband to promote me |
| 06:07.30 | Szeraax | fuel* |
| 06:07.33 | litage | how does one determine which CONFIG_SENSORS_* kernel setting(s) are appopriate for their machine? |
| 06:07.39 | Guerin | Szeraax: baijiu is almost as bad. My wife used it to clean my wounds after I fell off the great wall of china. |
| 06:08.06 | metbsd | bai jiu? you are not amercian but a chinese? Guerin |
| 06:08.22 | peterS | he is neither american nor chinese |
| 06:08.31 | stew | cuz those are the only 2 choices |
| 06:08.49 | Gigantic | he's down the yellow brick road |
| 06:08.51 | Guerin | metbsd: i'm neither, but I've been to China and drunk baijiu. In fact, I have some in my booze cabinet right now (and there it will remain) |
| 06:08.54 | metbsd | oookkkkk kde finished dl and installing |
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| 06:09.11 | metbsd | Guerin: i'm chinese from china |
| 06:09.13 | peterS | *whew*. we've all been waiting breathlessly for your KDE to finish downloading |
| 06:09.27 | Guerin | metbsd: we've had this discussion; the difference is that I remember it. You're from Shenzhen. |
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| 06:09.36 | metbsd | yes :) |
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| 06:09.40 | metbsd | you have good memory |
| 06:10.03 | metbsd | you from norway? |
| 06:10.05 | Guerin | it enables me to excel at things without doing much work, which is fortunate, because I am *extremely* lazy |
| 06:10.16 | wols | Guerin: congratulations for having more than one braincell. but why do you fill it with useless facts? |
| 06:10.24 | Guerin | wols: because I *can*. |
| 06:10.27 | wols | or did you store it so you could avoid him better? |
| 06:10.40 | metbsd | don't avoid me |
| 06:10.49 | metbsd | i'm debian user for many years |
| 06:10.54 | metbsd | im here for good |
| 06:11.05 | wols | that's what we feared |
| 06:11.15 | metbsd | ppl tell me to use freebsd, i said no i stay with debian |
| 06:11.26 | wols | one ma3x apparently isn't enough. maybe we did something bad in our former life? |
| 06:11.26 | metbsd | cuz debian is stable, and their concept is stable |
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| 06:11.38 | metbsd | and debian people are just too good |
| 06:11.42 | metbsd | that's what i said to him |
| 06:11.53 | metbsd | plz no |
| 06:12.00 | Guerin | wols: you know, I'm glad someone else sees the similarity. |
| 06:12.01 | metbsd | i do not like windows, i repeat, i do not |
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| 06:12.10 | wols | yes install vista. onle 1$ at the corner store |
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| 06:12.25 | metbsd | so where you from, wols |
| 06:12.44 | wols | Xanadu |
| 06:12.46 | metbsd | you all shold not hide your ip |
| 06:12.55 | wols | few people do |
| 06:13.13 | metbsd | so i'm about to successfully install debian now |
| 06:13.23 | peterS | go do it already |
| 06:13.26 | peterS | silently |
| 06:13.29 | wols | !prize metbsd |
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| 06:13.33 | metbsd | all my thank goes to some special friends here |
| 06:13.33 | Gigantic | isn't Xanadu a fairy tale place :p |
| 06:13.35 | wols | wha???? |
| 06:13.50 | wols | wtf does he get a pony? |
| 06:14.00 | metbsd | Guerin has been helping me about init.d, and wols helped me with kde |
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| 06:14.21 | chemaja | !prize wols |
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| 06:14.30 | chemaja | sook. |
| 06:14.33 | chemaja | :P |
| 06:14.55 | metbsd | evidence |
| 06:14.56 | Guerin | the best thing about china, for me, was rou mien |
| 06:15.05 | metbsd | what's that, Guerin |
| 06:15.08 | Guerin | i could eat that three times a day, goddamn |
| 06:15.25 | Guerin | metbsd: noodle soup; 牛肉面 |
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| 06:15.34 | metbsd | rou = meat? |
| 06:15.39 | Guerin | or just 肉面 strictly |
| 06:15.43 | Guerin | metbsd: yes |
| 06:15.59 | metbsd | i never heard of rou mien |
| 06:16.05 | draeath | YAY!!!! I just compiled nexuiz and i got it all working first try. |
| 06:16.09 | Guerin | um, i think that's the mandarin |
| 06:16.22 | Guerin | no idea what it is incantonese |
| 06:16.25 | draeath | now all i need is a vid card that can handle the shaders it supports |
| 06:16.28 | metbsd | i think you mistaken that |
| 06:16.35 | wols | Guerin: google links it to taiwan and calls it niu rou mien |
| 06:16.47 | metbsd | it's like english, there's no "meat spaghetti" |
| 06:16.48 | waltercool | in debian... i can compile the kernel downloading sources of kernel, and doing make, right? |
| 06:16.52 | Guerin | metbsd: noodle soup with meat and coriander, you know the stuff |
| 06:17.00 | metbsd | maybe beef spagheti, pork, but meat? |
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| 06:17.04 | wols | waltercool: you can but we will beat you if you do it. |
| 06:17.11 | FuzzyB | does anyone know how to rename an interface in udev? |
| 06:17.12 | wols | waltercool: don't use make, use kernel-package |
| 06:17.13 | Guerin | metbsd: nope |
| 06:17.17 | metbsd | there must be some word before rou mien |
| 06:17.24 | waltercool | wols: why? |
| 06:17.25 | metbsd | like zhu rou, = pork |
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| 06:17.31 | Gigantic | !tell waltercool about compile |
| 06:17.33 | draeath | whats wrong with meat noodles? |
| 06:17.36 | metbsd | rou mien, does not sound right |
| 06:17.45 | Guerin | metbsd: depends on the critter, yes. niurou mien, for beef, for example |
| 06:17.46 | draeath | spanish has that thing about meat = beef |
| 06:17.49 | wols | cause calling make directly to compile a kernel is evil. we don't like evil |
| 06:17.50 | metbsd | meat noodle doesn't say what kind of meat |
| 06:17.53 | wols | !tell waltercool about kernel-package |
| 06:18.05 | metbsd | you don't say meat, you say pork, beaf, lambchop |
| 06:18.08 | wols | but kernel.org source works just fine. or the debian kernel-source, your pick |
| 06:18.08 | waltercool | wols: sorry... but i was a gentoo user xD |
| 06:18.10 | metbsd | same thing in chinese |
| 06:18.24 | Guerin | metbsd: that's certainly not true of english |
| 06:18.24 | Gigantic | draeath: beef= meat meat != beef |
| 06:18.25 | wols | waltercool: gentoo doesn't use make either for kernels |
| 06:18.28 | waltercool | wols: but if debian rules are that... can be good |
| 06:18.40 | draeath | waltercool, i wont beat you, i did it back in debian woody. its possible :D just almost no reason to... |
| 06:18.44 | waltercool | wols: of course of yes... for disable old thing |
| 06:19.00 | wols | kernel-package gives you a kernel deb that you can intall and more importatnly uninstall |
| 06:19.10 | draeath | waltercool, just make sure you have ncurses-dev, kernel-package, and build-essential |
| 06:19.18 | metbsd | so, you just say rou mien to me, don't say that to other chinese, Guerin |
| 06:19.29 | waltercool | mmm... i prefer follow debian rules |
| 06:19.33 | Guerin | metbsd: worked fine while I was there |
| 06:19.34 | metbsd | they'll laugh at you quietly |
| 06:19.35 | waltercool | debian rules... rulz |
| 06:19.36 | waltercool | xD |
| 06:19.59 | wols | metbsd: so what else does it mean? |
| 06:20.01 | metbsd | Guerin: where did you go |
| 06:20.06 | Guerin | metbsd: i don't mind being barbaric laowei, I'm quite used to it, and in any case, nothing I do could prevent it. |
| 06:20.06 | draeath | waltercool, then put the source in /usr/src/linux and do "make mrproper && make clean && make menuconfig && make && make modules_install" - then move the kernel to /boot and set up your boot loader. |
| 06:20.11 | draeath | waltercool, discouraged yet? |
| 06:20.26 | Guerin | metbsd: from Dandong to Pinxiang, via Luoyang |
| 06:20.32 | Guerin | and a bunch of other places |
| 06:20.36 | waltercool | draeath: i prefer xconfig :) have a search :P |
| 06:20.37 | wols | draeath: you forgot the initrd stuff |
| 06:20.40 | metbsd | all small places |
| 06:20.45 | Guerin | um, no |
| 06:20.52 | metbsd | like george town |
| 06:20.56 | Guerin | also beijing, shanghai and guangzhou |
| 06:20.58 | wols | metbsd: small is relative |
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| 06:21.00 | metbsd | buffalo |
| 06:21.09 | metbsd | those are big cities |
| 06:21.12 | Guerin | and Wuhan, which is ~12 million |
| 06:21.14 | wols | Guerin: how many non-sheep in kikiwland? 4million? |
| 06:21.21 | draeath | wols, initrd? never used it... but ive always compiled what I need (filesystem i will use, hardware, etc) directly into the kernel. I usually didn't use modules |
| 06:21.27 | Guerin | wols: hoonams, yeah, about that. |
| 06:21.36 | draeath | wols, now I just use the package :D |
| 06:21.38 | wols | *kiwiland |
| 06:21.46 | metbsd | man you've been to more cities than i did |
| 06:21.49 | waltercool | draeath: how i can disable old initial process in debian? |
| 06:22.00 | ravelo | i need help with installing a commandline ebay sniper on debian sarge |
| 06:22.01 | Guerin | metbsd: almost every chinaman I met said the same |
| 06:22.03 | waltercool | draeath: or uninstalling it, autodisable? |
| 06:22.03 | ravelo | please |
| 06:22.12 | draeath | waltercool, that I don't know... things are a lot different now than woody |
| 06:22.16 | Guerin | which is understandable, because China isn't cheap |
| 06:22.31 | Gigantic | *damn lagging |
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| 06:22.38 | Guerin | ravelo: is it in debian? |
| 06:22.51 | ravelo | i tried esniper, but packages where too new |
| 06:22.55 | metbsd | so what's that name for xorg again? i want to run kde now |
| 06:23.00 | draeath | waltercool, but here is a hint... once the kernel is loaded the first process to run is init |
| 06:23.03 | metbsd | dpkg: xorg |
| 06:23.03 | dpkg | i guess xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.2. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode) |
| 06:23.05 | peterS | metbsd: if you just installed it, it should already be configured |
| 06:23.06 | wols | metbsd: install kdm |
| 06:23.06 | ravelo | Guerin yes |
| 06:23.12 | draeath | waltercool, all that automatic stuff happens due to init's configuration |
| 06:23.14 | Guerin | ravelo: aptitude install packagename |
| 06:23.30 | waltercool | draeath: so, updating kernel, init is updated? |
| 06:23.30 | renewbie | wols: I searched some info about the cardbus card.. tried a few command but it still isn't showing up |
| 06:23.42 | draeath | waltercool, no... I think i missed your question |
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| 06:23.47 | wols | renewbie: paste your dmesg in a pastebin. the kernel boot output |
| 06:24.06 | renewbie | http://pastebin.ca/585360 |
| 06:24.06 | wols | waltercool: why would init update? |
| 06:24.17 | renewbie | wols: http://pastebin.ca/585360 |
| 06:24.26 | ice_cream | lo, this is more of an xterm/.xresources question-- I've set up a custom font, but initial loading of xterm makes it very big. Holding <ctrl>+<right-click> and selecting 'small' rather than 'default' font size fixes the problem--> how do i make it choose 'small' in this Vt100 menu right away? |
| 06:24.36 | metbsd | hmm aptitude install xorg will use 45MB, but xserver-xorg only 22MB, |
| 06:24.36 | draeath | renewbie, i had a cardbus that had to be disconnected and inserted twice for my hardware to see it. linux AND windows.... |
| 06:24.37 | wols | renewbie: full dmesg output. kernel boot messages |
| 06:24.42 | metbsd | which one should i get? |
| 06:24.42 | waltercool | wols: for delete old process |
| 06:24.58 | Guerin | metbsd: and the latter won't work properly |
| 06:25.03 | waltercool | wols: i have updated sarge to... emm... unstable apt conf. xD |
| 06:25.06 | peterS | metbsd: if you're already using KDE, you probably only need xserver-xorg. but it's possible you need some font packages and such too |
| 06:25.11 | draeath | waltercool, wols, nevermind about init... |
| 06:25.16 | wols | waltercool: what "old process" |
| 06:25.17 | draeath | waltercool, what was the question? |
| 06:25.32 | draeath | wols, nevermind... i misunderstood his question and i brought up init |
| 06:25.45 | draeath | waltercool, please restate the question... |
| 06:25.52 | Gigantic | draeath: init is important unless you want to overload the kernel image |
| 06:25.58 | renewbie | wols: http://pastebin.ca/585361 |
| 06:26.08 | wols | waltercool: you configure the kernel to your liking, rune make-kpkg on it and install the restuling .deb. done |
| 06:26.19 | draeath | Gigantic, what does init have to do with the kernel besides that the kernel runs it after boot? or you mean initrd? |
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| 06:26.32 | litage | what does uhci_hcd and ehci_hcd do? |
| 06:26.34 | waltercool | nononono... wait... xD i will follow debian rules |
| 06:26.34 | draeath | wols, oooh! neat! need to write that one down |
| 06:26.35 | waltercool | xD |
| 06:26.35 | renewbie | draeath: it was working before I upgraded to etch from sarge |
| 06:26.35 | Gigantic | draeath: right |
| 06:26.37 | peterS | litage: uh |
| 06:27.02 | renewbie | draeath: without any such problem.. |
| 06:27.07 | draeath | Gigantic, eh. 1gb of ram... building ext3 into the kernel instead of a module won't hurt... especially since all my FS are ext3 |
| 06:27.15 | waltercool | lol... draeath: maybe i can have process of sarge installed, but exist a newest process with better things... |
| 06:27.16 | wols | renewbie: I don't see anything about PCMCIA in there. |
| 06:27.22 | litage | peterS: :) |
| 06:27.35 | waltercool | draeath: is autodeleted from init process or similar? |
| 06:27.43 | draeath | waltercool, you've lost me. |
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| 06:27.51 | waltercool | draeath: lol |
| 06:27.52 | FuzzyB | Is it possible to tell the linux kernel to remap a block device created with libata + ahci? I had a drive die in a soft raid 6 on Intel ahci controller ( ESB2 I believe ). I've managed to get the linux kernel to see the new drive without resetting the computer via sysfs calls. However the new block device is now sdg vs. what it used to be ( sdf ). I'm worried that if i tell mdadm to use /dev/sdg(x) for it's new slices, if the compute |
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| 06:27.57 | wols | draeath: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ has a longer version of it far more detailed |
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| 06:27.58 | renewbie | wols: that is all I get from dmesg.. I executed it like this.. dmesg >> dmesg.txt and pasted it there |
| 06:28.03 | Gigantic | draeath: FS are fine but there are lots of modules, using initrd makes kernel to boot a bit slower but makes it easier to extend |
| 06:28.05 | ravelo | Guerin: thanks, i just tried, but there is no package found for sarge, (there is a unstable package, but i could not find pckages for the dependencies for sarge ...) |
| 06:28.10 | waltercool | draeath: better question..., how can i see and modify initial process of debian? |
| 06:28.20 | Guerin | ravelo: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 06:28.20 | draeath | waltercool, the kernel is only a file that gets loaded into ram at boot... the kernel itself is a small (but important) part of the system |
| 06:28.33 | wols | renewbie: I believe you, but there is no pcmcia controller loaded as far as I can see and without that: no working pcmcia cards |
| 06:28.34 | ravelo | Guerin: thanks a lot |
| 06:28.36 | Guerin | ravelo: it should be easily doable |
| 06:28.41 | Guerin | ravelo: welcome |
| 06:28.46 | Gigantic | draeath: only if the system is gonna be totally static, it is not pretty good idea |
| 06:28.47 | draeath | Gigantic, true... but in the case that I have a system where the hardware will rarely change and I know the hardware very well... monolithic isn' |
| 06:28.51 | draeath | isn't bad |
| 06:28.52 | wols | waltercool: which part of the process to do what? |
| 06:28.56 | metbsd | for those startup script in init.d, how to control what script to be executed |
| 06:28.58 | waltercool | nonono... forget the kernel! |
| 06:29.13 | metbsd | cuz in bsd, we have rc.conf to control everything in rc.d |
| 06:29.15 | Guerin | metbsd: i told you this about an hour ago |
| 06:29.16 | Gigantic | draeath: s/only/unless |
| 06:29.18 | renewbie | wols: ok.. how can I make sure that pcmcia controller gets loaded? kernel module? |
| 06:29.20 | Guerin | !services |
| 06:29.20 | dpkg | hmm... services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 06:29.22 | draeath | waltercool, er, ok. what exactly are you trying to do |
| 06:29.24 | wols | !tell metbsd about sysvinit |
| 06:29.30 | waltercool | wols: n process //still n a specific variable |
| 06:29.44 | wols | waltercool: english please |
| 06:29.59 | draeath | yea, less jargon :D |
| 06:30.09 | Supaplex | less "txtspeak" |
| 06:30.10 | renewbie | wols: here currently installed modules http://pastebin.ca/585366 |
| 06:30.32 | renewbie | installed/loaded |
| 06:30.34 | waltercool | draeath wols: modify a process of start of debian |
| 06:30.40 | draeath | aaah |
| 06:30.42 | Gigantic | Well, at least is not using l33t... |
| 06:30.43 | draeath | the bootup process? |
| 06:30.50 | waltercool | :) |
| 06:30.51 | wols | renewbie: wth that many ide controllers? |
| 06:30.56 | wols | in a intel box no less? |
| 06:31.15 | wols | waltercool: what part of that process? doing what? |
| 06:31.24 | Gigantic | wols: less is more |
| 06:31.38 | wols | waltercool: you need to state your problem clearly for us to be able to help you |
| 06:31.40 | waltercool | wols: nothing... only i want know how see process and search for a x process |
| 06:31.42 | wols | Gigantic: freedom is slavery too |
| 06:32.01 | wols | ps auy |grep processname for example |
| 06:32.05 | wols | or top, etc |
| 06:32.11 | wols | ps auy |grep processname |
| 06:32.13 | Gigantic | wols: Should I keep the replies? :p |
| 06:32.17 | wols | wth? |
| 06:32.18 | renewbie | wols: it is there after upgrade.. |
| 06:32.19 | wols | damn fingers |
| 06:32.20 | wols | ps aux |
| 06:32.24 | draeath | waltercool, thats tricky. I don't know bash scripting well enough to do it automatically |
| 06:32.25 | waltercool | wols: but i cant modigy with this command |
| 06:32.41 | wols | renewbie: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 06:32.42 | draeath | wols, doesn't X leave a pid file somewhere? |
| 06:33.10 | wols | draeath: possibly. but not all programs do. all respond to ps aux tho. hopefully |
| 06:33.10 | renewbie | wols: nope.. it is precompiled by debian |
| 06:33.17 | wols | renewbie: what debian version |
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| 06:33.29 | draeath | wols, but an X server... should |
| 06:33.40 | renewbie | wols: Linux 2.6.20.1 #1 PREEMPT Sun Mar 4 19:20:59 IST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:33.48 | wols | !finod linux-image-2.6.20.1 |
| 06:33.48 | renewbie | wols: debian etch 4.0 |
| 06:33.51 | wols | !find linux-image-2.6.20.1 |
| 06:34.00 | wols | renewbie: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 06:34.05 | wols | what version |
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| 06:34.11 | draeath | waltercool, so what exactly are you looking to do to the bootup process? |
| 06:34.34 | renewbie | wols: 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 06:34.38 | waltercool | draeath: i want modify the process, make a process run, delete a process, etc |
| 06:34.45 | wols | renewbie: etch has no 2.6.20.1 kernel |
| 06:34.57 | peterS | wols: I don't think 2.6.20 exists anywhere anymore, unstable has moved on to 2.6.21 and testing never did get 2.6.20 |
| 06:35.06 | peterS | wols: but it _was_ in unstable for perhaps a month |
| 06:35.24 | draeath | waltercool, so you want to run scripts at startup? |
| 06:35.29 | wols | peterS: I'm just confused he has every ide driver known to man in his lsmod |
| 06:35.41 | waltercool | draeath: yeah, or delete scripts in startup |
| 06:35.54 | draeath | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 06:35.59 | peterS | wols: initrd-tools will generate an initrd that loads all that crap rather than trying to figure out what you really need. initramfs-tools might as well. this is what I like about yaird, it does not |
| 06:36.10 | renewbie | wols: I once built that kernel and then removed entries off grub.. perhaps.. it is that one.. |
| 06:36.42 | wols | peterS: does debian have preempt kernels? I always use self compiled... |
| 06:36.50 | draeath | waltercool, most linux systems use a system, if not exactly like that, are usually very similar |
| 06:37.20 | peterS | wols: recent debian kernels are all SMP, which I think turns on preemption as well, but I'm not certain of that |
| 06:37.39 | waltercool | now i get the command draeath (appear in the webpage sent), update-rc.d |
| 06:37.55 | waltercool | thanks :) |
| 06:37.55 | renewbie | wols: I am going to reboot into 2.6.18.. that got from debian.. I think it is that old kernel of mine (selfcompiled) |
| 06:37.58 | draeath | aaah, you didn't need to put your OWN script in :D |
| 06:38.05 | draeath | you just wanted to tweak what's there? |
| 06:38.06 | peterS | I know the mechanism for preemption is tied into the mechanism for SMP mutual exclusion, but I'm not sure whether you can configure SMP without also preempt |
| 06:38.09 | Gigantic | I wonder why all kernel doesn't have bigmem too... |
| 06:38.15 | waltercool | yeah (hehe) |
| 06:38.23 | peterS | Gigantic: we call it HIGHMEM in Linux land |
| 06:38.24 | peterS | Gigantic: and they do |
| 06:38.27 | Guerin | Gigantic: because nobody needed it until 18 months ago |
| 06:38.37 | draeath | Gigantic, wern't you just harping at me about bigger kernels? :P |
| 06:38.48 | waltercool | but if i update my distro from version, old scripts are deleted? |
| 06:38.54 | Gigantic | :p |
| 06:39.05 | Gigantic | draeath: not related |
| 06:39.05 | draeath | waltercool, upgrading from what to what? |
| 06:39.26 | waltercool | idk, sarge-etch, etch-woody, etc |
| 06:39.51 | Gigantic | peterS: but the deafult is not PAE |
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| 06:40.07 | draeath | waltercool, your init.d scripts will probably not be buggered too bad, unless the packages that put the script itself in there (that you would enable/disable with update-rc) is removed and/or reinstalled |
| 06:40.17 | peterS | Gigantic: thank goodness. PAE mode makes everything slower, and unless you have more than 4 GB of RAM, which a very very small percentage of Debian machines do, it doesn't do you any good |
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| 06:40.23 | draeath | waltercool, its hard to say. |
| 06:40.35 | peterS | Gigantic: if you have more than 4 GB of RAM, why didn't you buy a 64-bit CPU? I mean really. |
| 06:40.36 | draeath | waltercool, backups are your friend. I recommend 'dar' |
| 06:40.41 | waltercool | draeath: i see that xD |
| 06:40.54 | waltercool | mmm... can be a good idea have backup app |
| 06:41.15 | peterS | PAE mode is very much a niche market - people who need more than 4 GB of RAM for their apps, but for some reason can't spend the extra $100 to get a 64-bit CPU |
| 06:41.23 | draeath | heh install winxp on top of win98 and tell me if your startup folder, windows .INI, and hkey_local_machine/software/microsoft/windows/currentversion/run don't get molested :D |
| 06:41.43 | wols | peterS: what $100? |
| 06:41.47 | Gigantic | peterS: I got AMD64X2 and 4 GB ram but I need 32 for little stuff... |
| 06:41.56 | waltercool | peterS: U can have a 64-bit CPU, but if u dont have a 64bit distro... is the same |
| 06:41.59 | wols | the only reason I can think of is proprietary software that doesn't run on a 64bit OS |
| 06:42.00 | draeath | peterS, some bone-headed developers write code that breaks when put in a 64-bit env... |
| 06:42.09 | Gigantic | peterS: but did not know that PAE make things slower... |
| 06:42.11 | draeath | peterS, usually because of assumptions about datatype size |
| 06:42.21 | peterS | waltercool: yeah, so like if you're stuck in Windows land where 64-bit is still not production ready. we're not talking about that, we're talking about Debian |
| 06:42.25 | wols | peterS: an AMD 64bit CPU costs less thant 50$. intel probably somewhere 60-80 |
| 06:42.28 | draeath | and not everyone has the choice of fixing that :D |
| 06:42.39 | Gigantic | peterS: or you mean in comparission to 64? |
| 06:42.45 | peterS | draeath: ummm, you can use a 64-bit CPU and a 64-bit kernel and 32-bit apps and have more than 4 GB of memory without PAE |
| 06:42.46 | draeath | wols, i got my pentium D 805 (2-core, 2.66ghz, 64-bit) for $90 |
| 06:42.50 | waltercool | peterS: But in debian u have 64bit kernels |
| 06:42.57 | waltercool | no? |
| 06:43.00 | draeath | peterS, ah. sorry, I will stop talking from my bum |
| 06:43.04 | peterS | waltercool: please stop using the word "u", it is a Dutch word, not an English word, and we are speaking English |
| 06:43.09 | wols | draeath: for that you get a allendale core2duo cpu now |
| 06:43.23 | waltercool | u = phonetic you |
| 06:43.25 | wols | draeath: less than that. 2140 is about 80 or less |
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| 06:43.35 | wols | !u |
| 06:43.35 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:43.42 | draeath | wols, eh. can the allendale overclock to 4.2ghz comfortably? |
| 06:43.44 | peterS | wols: I'm counting the added cost of a motherboard that supports a 64-bit CPU. and this might add up to $100 in the server class of hardware |
| 06:43.51 | waltercool | lol |
| 06:44.02 | wols | draeath: no. to 3GHz which beats your P4 handily |
| 06:44.16 | draeath | p4? my friend, this is closer to a nocona. |
| 06:44.24 | draeath | this is the creme of the pentium D family... |
| 06:44.24 | waltercool | but why you have a bad feeling with the use of u? |
| 06:44.28 | wols | peterS: "they" still sell 32bit servers? |
| 06:44.32 | peterS | waltercool: because we spell it "you" here. |
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| 06:44.47 | draeath | better than uwe |
| 06:44.48 | wols | and k8 chipset is 64bit capabpe and any intel chipset of the last few years |
| 06:44.48 | Gigantic | not all about speed...size care after all :p |
| 06:44.51 | waltercool | peterS: Is the rule of write less :) |
| 06:44.52 | peterS | wols: see, this is why I don't get why anyone needs PAE |
| 06:44.57 | draeath | im going to start talking like this... just to make uwe angry |
| 06:45.05 | peterS | waltercool: the rule of write less is trumped by the rule of try not to look like an idiot |
| 06:45.14 | wols | peterS: the need for PAE is over except legacy |
| 06:45.21 | peterS | waltercool: if you want us to think you're more than 14 years old, you should use real words |
| 06:45.22 | draeath | waltercool, don't mind him. |
| 06:45.26 | Gigantic | peterS: to run tons of things at once like me? |
| 06:45.40 | draeath | peterS, does it matter, really? we all understand it... and one word dosn't make him an AOLer :D |
| 06:46.03 | peterS | draeath: you have your cause and effect backwards. the word doesn't make him an AOLer, it only shows that he already is one |
| 06:46.25 | draeath | omgwtfbbq!!!1!eleven |
| 06:46.28 | sunrises | Gigantic: the same with ash? |
| 06:46.30 | waltercool | peterS: Idk... i like write good spanish, but for english for me is same... |
| 06:46.32 | metbsd | kde works |
| 06:46.36 | metbsd | thanks guys |
| 06:46.36 | draeath | see... but I am not an AOLer ;) |
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| 06:46.54 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.59 | Gigantic | sunrises: Are you talking about pokemons? |
| 06:47.02 | renewbie | wols: thank you for making me notice the kernel thingy |
| 06:47.11 | peterS | wols: I'm flattered you remember my little joke |
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| 06:47.20 | waltercool | renewbie: specificment Squirtle :P |
| 06:47.22 | sunrises | Gigantic: not really...ash the shell |
| 06:47.27 | wols | peterS: you knew it was coming back to haunt you :P |
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| 06:48.01 | peterS | Gigantic: I still don't see the point of buying a machine that can hold more than 4 GB of RAM (not just any motherboard can hold that much, you know) and not bothering to find one that runs a 64-bit CPU. PAE is slow enough that I just can't see who would want to pay for all that memory just to have a relatively crippled system |
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| 06:48.04 | wols | renewbie: does lspcmcia now see the card? |
| 06:48.11 | draeath | aaaah bedtime. Date tomorrow... wish me luck |
| 06:48.13 | renewbie | wols: yes.. |
| 06:48.22 | wols | renewbie: paste the output please |
| 06:48.26 | renewbie | wols: pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 0 |
| 06:48.27 | wols | pastebin that is |
| 06:48.28 | peterS | Gigantic: of course it was different 5 years ago, you couldn't buy an AMD64 CPU at all, so people who wanted a huge machine (8 GB was a _lot_ back then) didn't have as much choice |
| 06:48.40 | wols | renewbie: lspcmcia |
| 06:48.44 | waltercool | peterS: If u(you) have a very important game server or server of some webpage, u need it |
| 06:48.49 | waltercool | the last u = you |
| 06:48.50 | Guerin | 640MB should be enough for anyone |
| 06:49.00 | waltercool | :P |
| 06:49.03 | renewbie | wols: Socket 0 Bridge: [yenta_cardbus] (bus ID: 0000:02:04.0) |
| 06:49.04 | renewbie | Socket 1 Bridge: [yenta_cardbus] (bus ID: 0000:02:04.1) |
| 06:49.06 | wols | Guerin: only on videocards |
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| 06:49.11 | draeath | hey, just look at ISO9660 and that lame 4gb filesize limit. |
| 06:49.11 | peterS | waltercool: if you're going to spend all that money for that much RAM, just buy a freaking amd64 already. I mean really. |
| 06:49.18 | Guerin | wols: heh, true. |
| 06:49.18 | cafuego | waltercool: a bog-standard web server runs fine with 256Mb |
| 06:49.25 | renewbie | wols: that was before plugging in |
| 06:49.31 | cafuego | waltercool: I should know, my 4GB Xen box runs lots of them. |
| 06:49.34 | peterS | cafuego: not with enough JSP madness |
| 06:49.34 | wols | peterS: RAM is cheap as chips |
| 06:49.38 | waltercool | peterS: But not all game servers (for example) have a 64 bit programming |
| 06:49.46 | wols | I saw 2GB D9GMH DDR2-800 for 88EUR the other day |
| 06:49.50 | Guerin | wols: so run in chroot |
| 06:49.51 | peterS | waltercool: doesn't matter, you can run 32-bit apps on an amd64 CPU and kernel |
| 06:49.55 | Guerin | waltercool: so run in chroot |
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| 06:50.08 | peterS | waltercool: you get sane management of your 8 GB of RAM, plus your old apps, nobody loses |
| 06:50.09 | cafuego | peterS: Well, 512 if you need jsp ;-) |
| 06:50.15 | wols | renewbie: is that all? there is no card listed? |
| 06:50.25 | draeath | peterS, well, you loose some hard drive space but who cares about that now... |
| 06:50.32 | renewbie | wols: it says -> CardBus card -- see "lspci" for more information |
| 06:50.33 | waltercool | peterS: 8 GB of RAM is excesive... use only 2 :P |
| 06:50.33 | peterS | draeath: you do? |
| 06:50.36 | dromer | hi all, I'm trying to install a different kernel on a woody-ish distro (damn small linux), atm I have a 686 kernel, but I need the 386 one for my old laptop. the problem is though: I keep getting dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/fileutils_4.1-10_i386.deb when trying to install the kernel image/headers etc of 2.4.18-386 any ideas? |
| 06:50.38 | Gigantic | peterS: But I don't see why PAE make thisngs slower... do you have a reference or something? I have my 4GB in real use 'cause I edit music and that may equire a lot of memory, actually 4GB in not enough :p |
| 06:50.44 | wols | renewbie: ah. then use lspci |
| 06:50.48 | cafuego | wols: I paid AU$220 for 4Gb of DDR2 667 |
| 06:50.49 | draeath | peterS, you have to have the supporting 32-bit environment usually, for a 32-bit chroot |
| 06:50.56 | wols | renewbie: we need to know what chip it has to tell you what driver you need |
| 06:51.04 | draeath | peterS, a basic 32b system running in chroot |
| 06:51.04 | renewbie | wols: lspci shows thist -> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8180L 802.11b MAC (rev 20) |
| 06:51.11 | wols | cafuego: whatever that is in non funny money :) |
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| 06:51.25 | wols | cafuego: I said D9GMH. that is overclocker memory. the pricy stuff :) |
| 06:51.27 | cafuego | wols: 12Eur or somehting |
| 06:51.31 | Guerin | renewbie: google the card and see what chipset it uses |
| 06:51.33 | Gigantic | peterS: tho, for common desktop there's not much sense I agree |
| 06:51.39 | draeath | cafuego, is that golden dollars? what's that? |
| 06:51.43 | cafuego | wols: Yeah, I prefer to not overclock production servers ;-) |
| 06:51.47 | renewbie | wols: I know rest of it.. :) did it twice before once in FC3 and then in sarge.. not I will do it in etch |
| 06:51.48 | peterS | Gigantic: I don't have a reference. but the overhead comes from how to address a 36-bit address space using 32-bit pointers. this is done by swapping page tables and TLB entries around like a madman |
| 06:51.57 | waltercool | 64 bit linux kernel works good? |
| 06:51.58 | wols | cafuego: chicken :) and it's probably evil registered too |
| 06:52.00 | waltercool | or not yet? |
| 06:52.04 | cafuego | waltercool: works fine |
| 06:52.06 | peterS | draeath: who said anything about a chroot? just install debian i386 with the amd64 kernel |
| 06:52.09 | Guerin | renewbie: ah, cool |
| 06:52.10 | draeath | waltercool, im in one now |
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| 06:52.14 | cafuego | waltercool: I run a 64bit dsktop system |
| 06:52.15 | wols | renewbie: what "rest"? |
| 06:52.23 | waltercool | cafuego: but... u can see the differense between 32bit and 64bit? |
| 06:52.28 | renewbie | wols: getting it up and running |
| 06:52.33 | peterS | waltercool: you. you. you. |
| 06:52.33 | cafuego | waltercool: Not on dsktop apps, no. |
| 06:52.38 | Gigantic | peterS: Either you or me is confussed somewhere |
| 06:52.43 | renewbie | wols: not sure though if netive drivers are there for this card.. |
| 06:52.48 | cafuego | waltercool: 3y3 can see a different in media processing though |
| 06:52.53 | renewbie | wols: I used to run it with ndiswrapper |
| 06:52.54 | draeath | waltercool, this is entirely anectdotal... |
| 06:53.19 | cafuego | and I think the mouse batteries drain quicker in 64bit mode |
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| 06:53.22 | peterS | Gigantic: yes. PAE mode involves kernel overhead that non-PAE mode does not involve. I haven't ever bothered to learn the details, because I don't care about PAE mode, but I'm not making it up. you can believe me or not believe me, but there is a _reason_ not to enable it |
| 06:53.22 | draeath | waltercool, but i've run a hand-compiled version of FreeSpace2 in 32 bit and in 64, and I get a visibly better framerate. |
| 06:53.27 | renewbie | wols: rest is getting it to work with ndiswrapper.. |
| 06:53.37 | waltercool | peterS: I tell my message to cafuego, if i speak to you, i will write good :) |
| 06:53.46 | wols | renewbie: http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 06:54.21 | waltercool | is because in this days i gonna buy a new processor 64 bit (AMD) dual core |
| 06:54.29 | waltercool | are cheap |
| 06:54.29 | draeath | peterS, 1 r34££¥ Ð0n'7 |{n0w wh47 ¥0µ h4v3 4941n$7 µ$ £337 ƒ0£|{$... |
| 06:54.32 | draeath | :D |
| 06:54.34 | draeath | you asked for it |
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| 06:54.46 | peterS | draeath: no, I don't think I did ask for it |
| 06:54.49 | wols | peterS: don't rummage in other people's brain memory! |
| 06:54.55 | draeath | oh... |
| 06:55.06 | waltercool | draeath: yen... xD |
| 06:55.16 | wols | ops these days. won't give the least bit of privacy |
| 06:55.24 | draeath | waltercool, http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/leet.php |
| 06:55.25 | draeath | i cheated |
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| 06:55.36 | waltercool | draeath: albinoblacksheep rulz |
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| 06:55.39 | peterS | wols: this is why they call us big brother |
| 06:55.41 | Begasus | k ... got irssi running now ... how do I switch bewteen channels? |
| 06:55.48 | peterS | Begasus: alt-2 alt-3 alt-4 |
| 06:55.52 | wols | peterS: more like "evil mummy" |
| 06:55.53 | Begasus | g'morning peeps btw ;) |
| 06:55.57 | renewbie | wols: thank you for the link.. my card isn't listed there but other Micronet SP906BB is there.. and mine is Micronet SP908BK |
| 06:55.59 | Guerin | Begasus: alt+[1234567890qwertyuiop] |
| 06:55.59 | Begasus | k thnx peterS ;) |
| 06:56.00 | draeath | peterS, you may be big brother but I'm Big Daddy ;) |
| 06:56.11 | draeath | who will watch the watchers, and all that |
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| 06:56.25 | wols | renewbie: cards carely matters in linux. what matters are the chips inside stuff to see what driver is needed |
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| 06:56.29 | dromer | hi all, I keep getting http://pastebin.com/934496 running woody 686 kernel |
| 06:56.40 | peterS | _woody_? wow |
| 06:56.45 | renewbie | wols: so I guess, it will work.. |
| 06:56.45 | cafuego | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 06:56.48 | draeath | I want that bumper sticker that says "I read your email" in white text on black |
| 06:56.48 | cafuego | 0x00002b8338cf421b in free () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 06:56.59 | dromer | peterS: hehe, well I want to prepare this disk for an ancient laptop |
| 06:57.14 | dromer | peterS: except I need a different kernel :S |
| 06:57.15 | wols | renewbie: yes |
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| 06:57.28 | peterS | dromer: don't install that version of fileutils, it is obsolete, it was replaced by coreutils - as you noticed |
| 06:57.37 | starz | ok great question i hope :D how can i setup a shell that can: 1. jail user to a dir 2. when they try to run a process it only allows a whitelist instead of a blacklist preferably 2. checked against a config file somewhere |
| 06:58.00 | dromer | peterS: yes, but apt wants to install it when trying to install the new kernel |
| 06:58.02 | waltercool | if i change my processor to amd, and i have a 686 kernel, debian will not work? |
| 06:58.08 | peterS | cafuego wants to be free |
| 06:58.10 | cafuego | waltercool: it will work fine |
| 06:58.12 | draeath | waltercool, no, you will work |
| 06:58.17 | waltercool | :S |
| 06:58.21 | wols | waltercool: it will |
| 06:58.21 | peterS | dromer: "new kernel"? ha |
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| 06:58.24 | draeath | waltercool, the i686 was actually like the pentium 2 or something |
| 06:58.29 | cafuego | peterS: turns out "free(12);" doesn't just work. |
| 06:58.30 | renewbie | wols: the project notes say 'new kernels >= 2.6.12 are supported only by the CVS version' |
| 06:58.31 | waltercool | but amd? |
| 06:58.36 | cafuego | waltercool: yes |
| 06:58.47 | draeath | waltercool, is 686 compatible. but really it should be 'athlon' or something... |
| 06:58.47 | peterS | cafuego: try beer = 12; free(beer); |
| 06:58.48 | wols | renewbie: guess you need CVS then |
| 06:58.49 | waltercool | so, why exist a amd version in debian? |
| 06:58.54 | waltercool | or similar? |
| 06:58.55 | cafuego | waltercool: the 686 kernl will run fine on and amd64. IT BOGGLES THE MIND!!!@#!@ |
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| 06:59.06 | cafuego | waltercool: I suggest google is your best frind. |
| 06:59.10 | renewbie | wols: yes.. already up with it |
| 06:59.10 | draeath | waltercool, amd64 is the amd64 -or- intel EMT64 |
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| 06:59.28 | draeath | waltercool, basically 64-bit chips that are not itanium or other server chips |
| 06:59.41 | peterS | draeath: eh, amd64 are used in lots of servers |
| 06:59.45 | waltercool | ic |
| 06:59.52 | draeath | peterS, i meant stuff like BigIron and friends |
| 06:59.56 | peterS | I know what you meant (: |
| 07:00.02 | draeath | non-consumer grade :D |
| 07:00.13 | wols | peterS: not anymore since amd has slacked |
| 07:00.17 | waltercool | draeath: Like Pedobear and frinds xD (lol) |
| 07:00.29 | peterS | wols: I mean amd64 the architecture, that doesn't imply AMD the company |
| 07:00.35 | cafuego | I'll consume any 64bit hardware you'll care to send my way, thanks. |
| 07:00.51 | draeath | amd64 is so named as amd was the first guy out with a widespread implementation |
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| 07:01.09 | draeath | they chose that because its hard to mistake for the x64 system |
| 07:01.11 | dromer | peterS: I mean: other kernel |
| 07:01.27 | dromer | peterS: do you know of another way to install a 386 kernel on this disk ? |
| 07:01.37 | draeath | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd64 |
| 07:01.56 | peterS | dromer: I'm curious how you got into that situation. installing woody shouldn't have caused such a conflict |
| 07:02.12 | draeath | It was designed by Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), who have since renamed it AMD64. This architecture has also been adopted by Intel under the name Intel 64 (formerly known as Yamhill, Clackamas Technology (CT), IA-32e, and most recently Extended Memory 64 Technology (EM64T)) |
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| 07:02.51 | dromer | peterS: well, it's not exactly woody, it's damn small linux with gnu-utils and apt restored |
| 07:02.52 | Guerin | draeath: we don't care |
| 07:03.00 | draeath | someone does, as it was brought up. |
| 07:03.07 | draeath | ah! IA-64 vs amd64 |
| 07:03.11 | draeath | thats the difference |
| 07:03.15 | Guerin | yes, but someone can go and read the fucking wiki |
| 07:03.17 | peterS | dromer: ok so it's a DSL problem, not a Debian problem ... I don't think we can be of much help here |
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| 07:03.38 | dromer | peterS: ok, too bad the dsl support is really low :( |
| 07:03.38 | waltercool | install a business version like me:) |
| 07:03.46 | dromer | I really want a minimal system like they have |
| 07:03.47 | peterS | dromer: yeah, sucks to be a DSL user I guess |
| 07:03.59 | draeath | dromer, LFS.... :P |
| 07:04.07 | dromer | it's for a 75mh 16mb laptop :$ |
| 07:04.08 | dromer | LFS? |
| 07:04.13 | draeath | linux-from-scratch |
| 07:04.14 | peterS | linux from scratch |
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| 07:04.36 | peterS | or cosmicray's DFS, debian from scratch. I don't think it tried to be minimalist though |
| 07:04.37 | draeath | you build the system yourself. at the end, all you get is an extremely minimal system with the ability to build more software for it. |
| 07:04.43 | dromer | ok, that's too advanced for me I think :P |
| 07:05.10 | wols | peterS: DFS = debian for those with too much time on their hands? |
| 07:05.13 | draeath | an alternative to DSL is puppylinux and there was one about a kitten... |
| 07:05.40 | draeath | personally I'm turned off from puppylinux' awful website |
| 07:05.40 | peterS | wols: I don't know why he bothered to put together DFS. part of it was, he wanted to bootstrap a debian system on his AMD64 before the AMD64 project had quite gotten around to having a usable installer |
| 07:05.54 | waltercool | minimal version = business |
| 07:06.01 | waltercool | of debian iso page |
| 07:06.02 | draeath | ah. like nothing installed? |
| 07:06.12 | draeath | very basic system? |
| 07:06.22 | wols | peterS: otoh now I can play dicksize wars with gentooers while using debian! win/win! |
| 07:06.23 | peterS | waltercool: not so, the business card ISO images still install the same debian base system - they just require more stuff to be downloaded at install time |
| 07:06.26 | dromer | yes, low low ram oriented mainly |
| 07:06.35 | dromer | only 16mb on that box |
| 07:06.53 | Gigantic | burn it |
| 07:07.08 | dromer | why |
| 07:07.12 | waltercool | peterS: I have installed this version in my pendrive and i do my linux configuration |
| 07:07.18 | waltercool | :P |
| 07:07.30 | peterS | I used to run something between potato and woody on my 486 with 8 MB of RAM. emacs caused the system to swap a lot, but it was still usable as an IDE |
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| 07:07.53 | draeath | ouch |
| 07:08.01 | peterS | yes, you heard right. I really _did_ have Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping |
| 07:08.11 | peterS | just like they say |
| 07:08.14 | draeath | speaking of which... do the archives have the old CD images, or only the packages? |
| 07:08.30 | peterS | draeath: look for yourself (http://archive.debian.org/). I think just the packages |
| 07:08.37 | dromer | peterS: well, that kind of system ;) only twice as much ram ;) |
| 07:08.37 | draeath | i remember looking and couldn't find it |
| 07:08.44 | draeath | i wonder how you are supposed to install woody now :D |
| 07:08.45 | peterS | draeath: for iso images of old debian systems, you have to use google instead |
| 07:08.59 | dromer | peterS: I just can't install it on the box itself, so I keep getting the wrong kernel :S |
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| 07:09.36 | draeath | peterS, honestly, i can't remember what I had for RAM on my 386... it didn't really matter, it was 'enough' - besides, i was always trying to squeeze that last bit out from the 640k conventional memory. I was a DOS guy then... |
| 07:09.52 | Supaplex | qemu ftw! |
| 07:09.59 | Supaplex | er qemm :p |
| 07:10.05 | draeath | vmware smacks qemu around |
| 07:10.14 | draeath | wake me up when kqemu is Free |
| 07:10.25 | Supaplex | draeath: are you awake? |
| 07:10.36 | draeath | sure, vmware isn't free, but it works damn good. |
| 07:10.37 | Supaplex | !qemu |
| 07:10.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, qemu is a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/, or the KQEMU accelerator is now released under GPL (previously proprietary). |
| 07:10.45 | draeath | what! |
| 07:10.54 | draeath | when did that happen? |
| 07:10.59 | Supaplex | while you were asleep |
| 07:11.05 | Gigantic | :) |
| 07:11.09 | peterS | good call |
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| 07:11.27 | Supaplex | I think I last modded that factoid |
| 07:11.29 | peterS | and speaking of which ... it's 2:11 and I really should be up in not all that many hours. *wave* |
| 07:11.38 | Supaplex | laster peterS |
| 07:11.44 | Supaplex | s/s// |
| 07:11.45 | peterS | laster indeed |
| 07:11.53 | draeath | next up... good host-hardware integration |
| 07:12.10 | draeath | i like how vmware lets me hook up usb and such so easily. can qemu even do that? |
| 07:12.11 | dromer | so nooohhbody with advice on my 386 kernel prob(s)? |
| 07:12.12 | Supaplex | draeath: what, did they suddenly stop crontributors to? |
| 07:12.36 | peterS | dromer: well, I wonder where you're getting fileutils 4.1 with a coreutils newer than that. try installing the same version of both |
| 07:12.37 | Supaplex | draeath: well, I know qemu has usb support to some extent. I've not toyed with that yet. |
| 07:12.45 | Gigantic | dromer: use embeded sytem? |
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| 07:12.57 | dromer | Gigantic: what do you mean? |
| 07:13.09 | bkw | We are using vmware-server in production with several virtual maschines running on every realhost. Anyhow it _is_ troublesome to get vmware working with debian, and bridged ifaces where you can have more than one VM running on the same physical iface. And no, no NAT. |
| 07:13.10 | wols | dromer: we don't really support DSL. only debian |
| 07:13.16 | wols | go to the DSL forums |
| 07:13.29 | wols | !vmware |
| 07:13.29 | dpkg | hmm... vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 07:13.48 | peterS | dromer: seriously, your problem is caused by an old version of fileutils and a new version of coreutils - that won't work - wherever you got coreutils, get fileutils from the same place, same version, and it ought to work |
| 07:14.02 | Supaplex | !tell dromer about based on debian |
| 07:14.03 | dromer | wols: I know, I'm considering debian too, I've tried it already, but etch was way too much for the laptop ;) |
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| 07:14.35 | Gigantic | dromer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_Linux |
| 07:14.39 | Supaplex | dromer: are you looking for a woody cd image? |
| 07:14.42 | wols | dromer: that is not our problem. we can only help you when you use debian. any release of debian. otherwise: dsl forums |
| 07:14.44 | netdaemon | mmmm |
| 07:14.46 | draeath | hey! the stable kqemu package is out of date!! the description shows "Be aware that unlike the rest of QEMU it is a closed source proprietary product with a specific license." |
| 07:14.48 | bkw | Anyone who is familiar with Xen on debian realhost, and running debian virtualmachines on it? |
| 07:14.54 | metbsd | there's no eva in debian |
| 07:15.00 | netdaemon | qemu |
| 07:15.03 | wols | bkw: ask your real question |
| 07:15.08 | peterS | debian 4eva? |
| 07:15.14 | Supaplex | draeath: I think there's a bts bug on that |
| 07:15.15 | dromer | Supaplex: perhaps that would give more succes, do you know where I could find one? |
| 07:15.19 | bkw | wols: ok. is it as good as vmware? |
| 07:15.20 | wols | metbsd: we have a debbie tho. or once had at any rate |
| 07:15.30 | dromer | wols: can't post @ dsl forums :/ |
| 07:15.48 | wols | !tell bkw about best |
| 07:15.49 | Supaplex | dromer: I might. let me check my archives |
| 07:16.06 | litage__ | i put "install ehci-hcd /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install ehci-hcd $CMDLINE_OPTS" into /etc/modprobe.d/ehci_hcd hoping that it would prevent the ehci-hcd module from being loaded when booting. however, the module was still loaded. what can i do to prevent it from being loaded? |
| 07:16.09 | wols | bkw: usually it's faster. what cpu do you have? |
| 07:16.22 | bkw | wols: dual opteron, 32G |
| 07:16.24 | wols | bkw: not to mention it's supported in debian |
| 07:16.32 | wols | what kind of opterns. pacfica? |
| 07:16.37 | wols | *pacifica |
| 07:16.41 | peterS | litage__: whoa, where'd you get that command line? just use 'blacklist ehci-hcd' or 'alias ehci-hcd off' |
| 07:16.49 | draeath | so it looks like kqemu needs to move from non-free to main... |
| 07:16.50 | dromer | Supaplex: ok, I'd have to boot into my other disk to burn it though |
| 07:16.53 | bkw | hm, 1800Mhz.. I can checkout their model. hold on |
| 07:17.00 | Gigantic | dromer: http://mirror.fr.claryss.net/www.netbsd.org/htdocs/gallery/in-Action/riz-toaster.jpg |
| 07:17.08 | wols | !tell litage__ about blacklist |
| 07:17.15 | dromer | Supaplex: is there even a minimal version of it? because I definatle don't want a complete install ;) |
| 07:17.25 | Gigantic | dromer: tho... the toaster looks faster :p |
| 07:17.27 | wols | dromer: netinstall |
| 07:17.29 | dromer | lol |
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| 07:17.38 | endra | hey |
| 07:17.56 | endra | say I want to install 'pidgin' on etch, how can I do that? |
| 07:18.02 | bkw | wols: Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2210 |
| 07:18.02 | endra | Can I just find the .deb and dpkg -i ? |
| 07:18.03 | netdaemon | dromer: use the net install, and install just a base, then fetch everything else |
| 07:18.03 | litage__ | peterS: "blacklist ehci-hcd" will only prevent aliases from being used; it doesn't actually prevent the module from being loaded by its correct name |
| 07:18.07 | litage__ | wols: thanks for that factoid |
| 07:18.30 | peterS | litage__: right, my bad, I always thought that keyword was confusing |
| 07:18.41 | wols | endra: if the dependencies are satisfied: yes |
| 07:18.41 | litage__ | peterS: it's very confusing imho |
| 07:18.56 | dromer | netdaemon: I'd need one from woody then |
| 07:19.05 | wols | bkw: what socket? |
| 07:19.22 | peterS | endra: the question is why you want pidgin. gaim on etch is 2.0.0 beta5, which I'm reliably informed is pretty much identical to pidgin 2.0.0 |
| 07:19.45 | peterS | endra: that is: the difference between beta 5 and final is mainly the renaming and new icons |
| 07:19.59 | Guerin | endra: thaose are the important bits! |
| 07:20.01 | Guerin | err |
| 07:20.04 | Guerin | peterS: ↑ |
| 07:20.05 | netdaemon | peterS: just a prettier icon theme ;) |
| 07:20.19 | bkw | wols: not sure about the socketname, but they are delivered with sunfire x2200 |
| 07:20.21 | endra | I see |
| 07:20.24 | peterS | netdaemon: shrug, maybe that's important. I don't use gaim so I don't know how ugly the old one is (: |
| 07:20.30 | Gigantic | ascii is cute ! |
| 07:20.31 | draeath | peterS, didn't see anything filed about kqemu-common on the debian bugtracker. I just sent in a report. |
| 07:20.32 | endra | Well, I use gaim, but I keep reading about pidgin and can't find it in the repo.. |
| 07:20.38 | Supaplex | hummm... |
| 07:20.40 | Guerin | it'll be the most popular icon theme EVAR |
| 07:20.47 | dromer | netdaemon: I've already tried a debian netinstall after which I only installed a 386 kernel which couldn't boot on the laptop, but that was etch, I might have better luck with woddy since that has been done on this type of machine before: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hosted/t4900b.html |
| 07:20.55 | Guerin | endra: gaim is pidgin, pidgin is gaim |
| 07:21.00 | peterS | endra: this information came to me from ari, the gaim/pidgin maintainer, so I suppose it's accurate. I don't use gaim/pidgin myself |
| 07:21.02 | endra | Guerin: I know, but I want pidgin :( |
| 07:21.12 | wols | bkw: the thing is, if you have pacifica you can use any unmodified kernel for clients. if you haven't pacifica you need to spcially compile clients |
| 07:21.17 | endra | It looks much smoother too |
| 07:21.21 | Gigantic | err: Pidgin WAS Gaim |
| 07:21.24 | draeath | Guerin, check out this T-shirt |
| 07:21.26 | draeath | http://www.threadless.com/product/333/Nice_Boobies |
| 07:21.27 | Supaplex | dromer: I know I had it around here, but it's burried. |
| 07:21.31 | draeath | Guerin, safe for work |
| 07:22.16 | endra | http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24073 |
| 07:22.28 | endra | You see, it says use XMPP protocol, not Jabber |
| 07:22.33 | dromer | Supaplex: :( |
| 07:22.42 | Gigantic | 'cmon, kquemu is just a komander.... |
| 07:22.46 | peterS | yes, XMPP is the official name for the Jabber protocol |
| 07:22.46 | Gigantic | pfff |
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| 07:23.00 | wols | bkw: AMD-V is present in K8 AMD processors from stepping "F" onwards. |
| 07:23.04 | Supaplex | dromer: I have another trick. 1m. |
| 07:23.05 | bkw | wols: I assume that quite alot time will need to be spent to learn and use xen instead of vmware server. and vmware server is actually working well. But annoying is that they have not made it for debian, getting bridges working can be a problem. |
| 07:23.17 | endra | Off I go, time to logon laptop, brb |
| 07:23.27 | draeath | arg its 3am here |
| 07:23.36 | draeath | someone kick me for an hour please or i will never get sleep |
| 07:23.43 | cammoblammo | Email sent to me@machinename don't get through anymore, but if I send them to me@localhost they do. This has only happened since I upgraded exim4 a couple of days ago. Any idea what might be wrong? |
| 07:23.44 | draeath | ... odd request i'm sure |
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| 07:24.12 | Gigantic | !kick draeath |
| 07:24.20 | draeath | i suppose that works.. |
| 07:24.23 | Supaplex | !tell dromer -about woody |
| 07:24.27 | dromer | Supaplex: I need this? http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/vanilla-3.0.23-netinst.iso |
| 07:24.28 | Supaplex | dromer: see the archive part. |
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| 07:24.41 | Supaplex | dromer: no. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ |
| 07:24.52 | wols | draeath: a kick is not enough for you addicts. you have autojoin and will come back again |
| 07:24.59 | litage | peterS, wols: i put "install ehci-hcd /bin/true" at the end of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and rebooted. however, ehci-hcd was still loaded when i booted. |
| 07:25.00 | Gigantic | cammoblammo: aliases of course |
| 07:25.09 | dromer | Supaplex: ah ok, thnx :) |
| 07:25.13 | wols | litage: initrd |
| 07:25.29 | draeath | ;) |
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| 07:25.39 | waltercool | why super key have a windows logo? commercial strategic or something? xD |
| 07:25.55 | Gigantic | wth? |
| 07:25.57 | wols | what is super key? |
| 07:25.59 | jelly-home | cammoblammo: "doesn't get through" isn't a very good description of mail problems, do you have exact errors? relevant bits of MTA logs? transcript from a failing smtp session? |
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| 07:26.01 | draeath | waltercool, phase II in the MS world-domination plan |
| 07:26.06 | draeath | wols, the 'windows' key |
| 07:26.06 | dromer | Supaplex: Iqm still not sue which iso I then need, I can't sse one with netinstall anywhere .. |
| 07:26.24 | draeath | wols, meta is the little right-click-menu key thingy... i think |
| 07:26.26 | cammoblammo | Gigantic: my aliases file is fine, and hasn't been altered fir several months. |
| 07:26.27 | peterS | wols: it's another key like ctrl and meta, known from really old Unix keyboard and used by things like emasc |
| 07:26.33 | Supaplex | dromer: use cd1 first |
| 07:26.39 | litage | wols: i just ran ``update-initramfs -uv'' and one of the lines of output was "Adding module /lib/modules/2.6.21.1-mactel-wombat/kernel/drivers/usb/host/ehci-hcd.ko" |
| 07:26.44 | waltercool | draeath: Exist keyboards with a linux image in super key? |
| 07:26.49 | peterS | litage: who knows, maybe it doesn't like your filename with the _ in it, or maybe modprobe isn't normalising - to _ everywhere |
| 07:26.50 | Supaplex | !meta |
| 07:26.51 | wols | waltercool: yes |
| 07:26.55 | Supaplex | !meta key |
| 07:27.00 | wols | waltercool: a tux |
| 07:27.01 | draeath | waltercool, yes, but I would rather it have a neutral symbol |
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| 07:27.20 | waltercool | wols: cool :O i need buy someone |
| 07:27.22 | Gigantic | cammoblammo: I mean exim's I dunno Exim pretty well but in Postfix you configure the settings in main.cf, Exim has to be configured in similar way |
| 07:27.27 | Gigantic | somewhere... |
| 07:27.33 | waltercool | draeath: But have the penguin, is not the same :P |
| 07:27.36 | litage | wols: i use a hyphen in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist , which is what's in the actual filename.. |
| 07:27.43 | draeath | waltercool, http://www.clickykeyboard.com/ |
| 07:27.52 | wols | waltercool: http://www.iso-top.info/oxid.php/sid/x/shp/oxbaseshop/cl/details/cnid/1cd453112cbb16d96.36681599/anid/56b45374399b667d5.62524479/Linux-Keyboard-deutsch/ |
| 07:27.54 | cammoblammo | jelly-home: When I send an email to me@machinename I get a bounceback sayingRemote host said: 504 <me@machinename>: Recipient address rejected: need fully-qualified address |
| 07:27.56 | wols | for example |
| 07:28.00 | bkw | wols: I don't know how much you know about production and virtualization. but anyhow the sunfire servers come with 2x broadcom Gbit and 2x nvidia Gbit nics. Do you know anything about these cards (tg3, and forcedeth) in production? Is it for example time to look after a dual intel pci-e nic? |
| 07:28.15 | dromer | Supaplex: I might also need other cd's ? |
| 07:28.17 | waltercool | google images have a lot of pics too :P |
| 07:28.18 | jelly-home | cammoblammo: well, is the machinename a fqdn? :-) |
| 07:28.26 | wols | bkw: ask sun :) |
| 07:28.28 | dromer | Supaplex: ok reboot into other disk, bbl |
| 07:28.47 | wols | the broadcom should be sorta alright hardware wise but it's a shity company wrt linux support |
| 07:28.54 | wols | I am a bit unsure about nvidia tbh |
| 07:29.04 | cammoblammo | It is currently the default 'debian' It probably shouldn't work, but it always has in the past. |
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| 07:29.18 | Gigantic | cammoblammo: $myhostname $mydomain |
| 07:29.30 | wols | bkw: if you say you're unsure: did I say something wrong? |
| 07:29.43 | peterS | litage: it's also possible that ehci-hcd is being loaded by your initrd in a misguided attempt to make sure your system has useful stuff enabled by the time the real boot happens |
| 07:30.01 | Supaplex | dromer: maybe, unless you setup sources.list to use the package archives (where'er they hide) |
| 07:30.05 | wols | litage: have you read the full factoid to the end? did you do what it said? |
| 07:30.22 | peterS | litage: you can check this theory by regenerating the initrd (I think it'll pick up your new /etc/modprobe.d) and rebooting. dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 07:31.18 | bkw | wols: personally I would like the onboards replaced. but then we will need another 4x dual intel pci-e cards for four different servers. and those cards costs ~$250-300 each. |
| 07:31.28 | Gigantic | *sleep |
| 07:31.28 | jelly-home | cammoblammo: I guess the newer exim4-daemon-light (if you're using everything default, that's your MTA package) has additional restrictions... can you pastebin your /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf ? |
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| 07:31.29 | wols | I know |
| 07:31.44 | litage | wols, peterS: yes, i followed the factoid fully. i added "install ehci-hcd /bin/true" to the end of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist , then ran ``update-initramfs -uv''. however, updating the initrd caused this to be output, which leads me to believe that ehci-hcd is inside the initrd: Adding module /lib/modules/2.6.21.1-mactel-wombat/kernel/drivers/usb/host/ehci-hcd.ko |
| 07:31.44 | wols | bkw: so what stepping is your cpu? |
| 07:31.50 | Supaplex | !start an mta war |
| 07:31.50 | dpkg | postfix systems are liable to be r00ted |
| 07:31.58 | Supaplex | lies! |
| 07:32.09 | waltercool | wols: i have a great question... why when i was change of Kubuntu to Debian, my folders with special characters have changed to rare symbols? |
| 07:32.10 | bkw | wols: stepping : 2 |
| 07:32.30 | Supaplex | kinky f00l |
| 07:32.34 | peterS | litage: I don't trust things like 'update-initramfs', I'm much more certain of dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r). I mean what if you're using yaird instead of initramfs-tools? |
| 07:32.39 | wols | bkw: sounds kinda old |
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| 07:32.52 | cammoblammo | jelly-home: I'm suspecting that too --- something seems strange there. I'll give you a URL in a tick. |
| 07:33.07 | draeath | in the age of software like metasploit and 'autosploit' (see backtrack)... |
| 07:33.14 | litage | peterS: why does it matter whether i'm using yaird or initramfs-tools? they both do the same thing (ie: create an initrd) |
| 07:33.21 | bkw | wols: I don't know exactlly what stepping is |
| 07:33.22 | litage | peterS: however, i'll give dpkg-reconfigure a shot |
| 07:33.27 | peterS | litage: yeah but 'update-initramfs' won't necessarily work equally well for both |
| 07:33.55 | litage | ah |
| 07:34.08 | wols | bkw: a new mask of the CPU. it's used to fix minor problems, enhance perfomanec a bit. you could say it's a hardware patch for s epcific version of a CPU |
| 07:34.14 | peterS | though I see yaird doesn't ship that script at all, so if it works for you, you probably really are using initramfs-tools |
| 07:34.39 | draeath | bkw, cat /proc/cpuinfo i think shows you |
| 07:35.14 | draeath | late. i'm out! |
| 07:35.15 | draeath | cya |
| 07:35.18 | cammoblammo | jelly-home: I've posted that file to http://pastebin.com/934504 I'm sure dc_other_hostnames used to have a value. |
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| 07:36.17 | seriouslycgi | hi im wondering if anyone can point me towards a good guide to setting up dual head on etch/x11? |
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| 07:36.54 | Supaplex | humm... time to fix html encodings. |
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| 07:37.25 | peterS | seriouslycgi: nothing much etch-specific about it, any guide for Xorg will do, etch uses the same /etc/X11/xorg.conf everyone else does |
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| 07:37.28 | jelly-home | hmph... wonder why does bind listen on UDP *:32768, UDP *:32769 |
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| 07:38.25 | wols | peterS: why aren't you sleeping already? |
| 07:38.28 | peterS | wols: good question |
| 07:38.37 | wols | addict! |
| 07:38.43 | seriouslycgi | peterS, do i have to have the nvidia drivers to do it these days i have two older cards that the driver wont install on |
| 07:39.02 | seriouslycgi | it used to just be a matter of clicking display in the prefs |
| 07:39.05 | peterS | seriouslycgi: http://p12n.org/tmp/xorg.conf to see my configuration, for my dual-head Matrox G450 |
| 07:39.07 | wols | seriouslycgi: no. any cards will work. but: you can use nvidia legacy drivers |
| 07:39.37 | peterS | seriouslycgi: if you're using nvidia binary driver crap, my config won't be of much use to you, as they have some other crazy scheme |
| 07:39.40 | seriouslycgi | they wouldnt install with automatix2 and last time i did it it took ages |
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| 07:39.56 | peterS | wtf is automatix2? |
| 07:39.59 | wols | seriouslycgi: we don't support ubunut. and not even #ubunut supports automatix |
| 07:40.12 | wols | peterS: a script that likes to break ubuntu |
| 07:40.15 | peterS | ahh |
| 07:40.19 | seriouslycgi | automatix2 is for debian |
| 07:40.22 | seriouslycgi | as well |
| 07:40.30 | wols | seriouslycgi: we still dn't support it |
| 07:40.34 | wols | *don |
| 07:40.55 | seriouslycgi | i just thought i would try it out lol i dont usually use scripts like that |
| 07:40.56 | wols | damn. now we get the broken systems of automatix users in here too |
| 07:41.07 | wols | yeah, sure you don't. of course |
| 07:41.09 | litage | should i use hdparm or sdparm for sata HD? |
| 07:41.20 | wols | litage: to do what? |
| 07:41.22 | jelly-home | wtf is automatix? |
| 07:41.32 | litage | wols: control my sata HD |
| 07:41.37 | wols | jelly-home: a script for ubuntu ti install crap and break systems |
| 07:41.39 | seriouslycgi | lol nah the only thing that wouldnt install was the nvidia driver ... but to be fair im using a geforce 256ddr |
| 07:41.46 | litage | s/control/configure/ |
| 07:41.48 | jelly-home | wols: schweet! |
| 07:41.54 | wols | usually everything proprietary. nvidia, fglex, flash, codecs... |
| 07:41.56 | peterS | litage: try 'em both. hdparm has some scsi functionality, it might work, but sdparm is intended for that too |
| 07:42.10 | litage | thanks |
| 07:42.11 | seriouslycgi | http://www.getautomatix.com/ jelly-home |
| 07:42.20 | wols | seriouslycgi: the brakage comes after the install |
| 07:42.33 | jelly-home | seriouslycgi: uh, I don't want to :-) |
| 07:42.37 | seriouslycgi | its been good for the last few days wols |
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| 07:42.52 | seriouslycgi | its like an alternative package manager |
| 07:42.53 | litage | peterS: btw, using dpkg-reconfigure worked for prevent ehci-hcd from being put into the initrd. thanks for that suggestion. the "blacklist-initramfs" factoid should be updated with that |
| 07:43.00 | wols | seriouslycgi: if fucks up your debian. #ubuntu won't support it and we won't either |
| 07:43.08 | peterS | litage: I'll edit it now |
| 07:43.15 | dwu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.22 | jelly-home | marillat's repo is good enough for me |
| 07:43.26 | seriouslycgi | thats ok im just trying to set up dual head wols automatix is fine for now |
| 07:43.42 | wols | dwu: it pretends to use .debs. trouble is their quality is shit basically |
| 07:43.58 | wols | seriouslycgi: as I said: don't expect any support here |
| 07:44.05 | dwu | wols: Kind of what I was trying to mean - why bother then? |
| 07:44.21 | seriouslycgi | dwu it uses apt but it adds repos and groups together the non-free software to make it easy to get all your media running |
| 07:44.27 | wols | dwu: cause it's easier to use for installing stuff like nvidia. supposedly |
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| 07:44.48 | dwu | wols: Weird, because debian-multimedia or whatever marillat is called these days works for me. |
| 07:45.11 | seriouslycgi | dwu automatix uses those repos |
| 07:45.18 | seriouslycgi | or wgets from there |
| 07:45.18 | peterS | one of the best albums of all time - Automatix2 for the People |
| 07:45.30 | dwu | ... so -why- use automatix then, since APT can use those repos?! |
| 07:45.40 | jelly-home | by REM (the basic command) |
| 07:45.44 | dwu | Y'know, since they're -apt- repositories? |
| 07:45.50 | seriouslycgi | dwu so you dont have to look for it in synaptics or apt command |
| 07:46.25 | seriouslycgi | i just checked all the multimedia stuff i wanted and 20 minutes later it dl everything and installed it all |
| 07:46.26 | dwu | Er... yeah, so instead of doing apt-cache search, apt-get install, I download something random, use it in place of a perfectly usable package manager... for -what-, again? |
| 07:46.35 | jelly-home | ease of use |
| 07:46.41 | seriouslycgi | hell yeah |
| 07:46.46 | wols | dwu: e.g. you don't install nvidia kernel driver and nvidia-glx separately and fuck up llike those people automatix is for do |
| 07:46.52 | dwu | jelly-home: I notice you don't want it, don't you ease of use me ;) |
| 07:46.58 | wols | but all you do is klick "nividia" and it's installed |
| 07:47.09 | jelly-home | dwu: I'm a masochist that way |
| 07:47.27 | dwu | I dunno, nvidia kernel drivers and nvidia-glx worked for me ;) |
| 07:47.29 | jelly-home | dwu: still I see the point |
| 07:47.31 | seriouslycgi | lol ive done the install one thing search for how to's and work out why things arent working, then install the fix |
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| 07:47.39 | seriouslycgi | this thing was baddaboom |
| 07:47.59 | wols | seriouslycgi: and down the road it will be boom alright :) |
| 07:48.10 | seriouslycgi | but like i said it messed up nvidia install and one command it was back to original |
| 07:48.19 | seriouslycgi | lol probably wols |
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| 07:49.06 | dwu | And "ohshitbringitbackplease". |
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| 07:49.27 | simonrvn | it's called `hold' |
| 07:49.37 | seriouslycgi | i usually end up stuffing any linux i install anyway and have to re-install in a few months |
| 07:49.51 | seriouslycgi | i tinker |
| 07:49.56 | jelly-home | dwu: make a snaphot of the fs, install crap, when it doesn't work, push the panic button |
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| 07:50.36 | seriouslycgi | takes an hour or so to have a fast clean updated install |
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| 07:51.13 | simonrvn | i've been tinkering on various machines and only once had to reinstall one |
| 07:51.22 | jelly-home | seriouslycgi: the OS I work on daily was installed last century. |
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| 07:51.30 | simonrvn | ...over the last 4 years |
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| 07:52.40 | seriouslycgi | well i usually weight the advantages of searching google and bothering you clever people with stupid questions and re-install over 1 hour ... usually re-install is faster |
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| 07:54.29 | simonrvn | problem with not reinstalling is that you kinda get a crufty system ;p |
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| 07:54.40 | jelly-home | seriouslycgi: a basic reinstall, yes, but how much time to tune the system to a usable state and have all your apps configured and running? |
| 07:54.58 | jelly-home | simonrvn: debfoster can help a bit |
| 07:55.08 | simonrvn | i'm really liking the new openbox and hub. some serious self-spoiling today :) |
| 07:55.18 | simonrvn | eh, not this cruft ;) |
| 07:55.22 | netdaemon | reinstalling is the windows solution =\ |
| 07:55.41 | simonrvn | i have file that are like 6 years old hehe |
| 07:55.44 | simonrvn | files* |
| 07:55.46 | jelly-home | netdaemon: so? |
| 07:56.28 | simonrvn | yesterday was finding the emacs-snapshot repo |
| 07:56.37 | jelly-home | netdaemon: I means, if that's the way to spend least time on a problem, go for it |
| 07:56.46 | seriouslycgi | well thats true but i write down all the apps ive installed and just apt-get install whatever something-else this that whateverelse, and in about 30mins-2 hours its all up to how i had it.... im not fussed about widgets backgrounds and other things like that |
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| 07:58.16 | jelly-home | seriouslycgi: nah, I can't be arsed to configure exim, apache, local web and nntp proxies etc the way I like em ;-) |
| 07:58.29 | seriouslycgi | yeah i guess thats why i still know very little about linux after 5 years of using it... i dont have windows |
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| 07:59.19 | jelly-home | it's a good thing that you don't have to know much, but still use it |
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| 07:59.35 | jelly-home | I wouldn't expect that from Linux |
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| 07:59.38 | seriouslycgi | my server has been up for like 9 months untouched but my workstation has had about 8 different distros over the last 6 months .... i always put debian back on it though ...cant escape itfor some reason |
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| 08:00.22 | ice63 | seriouslycgi: if you instll blackbox you will learn :) |
| 08:00.27 | netdaemon | hm |
| 08:00.27 | netdaemon | i'v been using *nix a good 4 or 5 years |
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| 08:00.57 | netdaemon | my only problem is deciding which to stay on |
| 08:01.07 | jelly-home | HPUX! |
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| 08:01.27 | netdaemon | openbox =O |
| 08:01.32 | jelly-home | cygwin :-D |
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| 08:01.59 | seriouslycgi | its basically down to looks and applications for me debian slackware and fedora own linux |
| 08:02.20 | seriouslycgi | but debian is the top |
| 08:02.49 | seriouslycgi | whatever causes me least headaches |
| 08:03.27 | ice63 | seriouslycgi: Debian is the best that you will find out there |
| 08:03.35 | netdaemon | heh |
| 08:03.37 | seriouslycgi | yeah i agree |
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| 08:03.57 | esters | hello, i tried to installed nvidia 100.14.11 driver, because there were some issues with the 8776 driver on Debian lenny , but i uninstalled the 100.14.11 with nvidia-installer --uninstall and installed the 8776 using debian wiki entry , but now i have these weird things : http://pastebin.se/21642 |
| 08:03.58 | netdaemon | i shant say the curse word in here that i'v used for the past month or so |
| 08:04.29 | netdaemon | i feel dirty for it |
| 08:04.29 | netdaemon | here's a hint...it has various shades of poo brown |
| 08:04.33 | esters | http://omploader.org/file/DSC01155.JPG |
| 08:04.53 | seriouslycgi | starts with eww ends with buntoo? |
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| 08:05.24 | ice63 | netdaemon: ubuntu ? |
| 08:05.41 | netdaemon | seriouslycgi: bingo |
| 08:05.56 | mike_ | Basic Q,Are all Ge-force cards Nvidia? |
| 08:06.00 | esters | anyone ? |
| 08:06.10 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.22 | esters | ok |
| 08:06.29 | wols | mike_: yes |
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| 08:06.44 | wols | mike_: nvidia has trademarked the GeForce name |
| 08:07.06 | mike_ | wols: thank you |
| 08:07.28 | mike_ | wols: My new ATI card is getting the boot |
| 08:07.39 | wols | mike_: what card is it? |
| 08:07.56 | esters | fury maxx :> |
| 08:08.02 | mike_ | From memory 9600se |
| 08:08.16 | wols | that would work with both, ati or flgrx driver |
| 08:08.28 | wols | with the ati one, compiz is possible |
| 08:08.50 | mike_ | wols: It does but beryl does not work properly |
| 08:09.03 | mike_ | oh compiz? |
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| 08:09.41 | litage | if you want to enable laptop-mode for your HDs, does it matter what value you put into /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode as long as it's greater than zero? |
| 08:09.46 | alexius | hi |
| 08:09.54 | ice63 | seriouslycgi: hmm i don't know |
| 08:10.21 | alexius | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XGjkyZU2oY 8((((((((( |
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| 08:11.06 | alexius | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XGjkyZU2oY |
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| 08:11.15 | ice63 | seriouslycgi: i jest use debian and that's it :) |
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| 08:12.09 | seriouslycgi | ice63, same here |
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| 08:13.46 | DragoraN | hi |
| 08:13.55 | DragoraN | why vga=795 is not working for me? |
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| 08:14.34 | jelly-home | litage: judging by the code in /usr/sbin/laptop_mode, it matters |
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| 08:15.13 | jelly-home | litage: package laptop-mode-tools |
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| 08:16.50 | Surtsey | Question for someone wiser than I - I'm trying to encode videos for PSP with ffmpeg. It looks like the standard version in the repository doesn't have aac support. My idea so far is to recompile ffmpeg and install it over the version installed by apt-get. Is there a better way to do this - and if not, think apt-get or Debian will flip out? |
| 08:17.26 | jelly-home | DragoraN: what's that supposed to be, 1280x1024 in 24bpp? |
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| 08:18.58 | cafuego | jelly-home: `fbi' |
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| 08:19.23 | jelly-home | cafuego: cheapskates, run X :-D |
| 08:19.31 | cafuego | jelly-home: eww, overhead |
| 08:19.50 | jelly-home | (or enjoy the nonaccelerated fb then) |
| 08:20.23 | DragoraN | jelly-home: yes |
| 08:20.32 | netdaemon | so what happens when you guys run out of toy story names? |
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| 08:20.53 | jelly-home | netdaemon: it'll be 2012 and time for the next end-of-the-world |
| 08:21.01 | Surtsey | netdaemon: Have you SEEN that toybox? Pretty soon we'll have Debian ArmyMan52 |
| 08:21.08 | seriouslycgi | netdaemon, dreamworks has some movies too |
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| 08:21.56 | jelly-home | DragoraN: how does it not work? Do you stay in 80x25 text mode? Do you get black screen? |
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| 08:22.28 | jelly-home | DragoraN: which debian release (or, which kernel)? which card? |
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| 08:22.34 | DragoraN | jelly-home: it prompts me for selecting mode, that the mode is not available of sth like that and i end up in 80x25 |
| 08:22.47 | netdaemon | hmmm |
| 08:22.47 | netdaemon | debian shrek |
| 08:22.47 | netdaemon | rofl |
| 08:23.05 | DragoraN | jelly-home: debian etch netinstalled right now, 2.6.18-4-686 SMP |
| 08:23.15 | litage | i' |
| 08:23.42 | netdaemon | that'll release next to ubuntu horny hippo |
| 08:23.43 | DragoraN | jelly-home: intel 945GM |
| 08:23.58 | jelly-home | DragoraN: hmm, unlikely, but maybe VESA BIOS of your card really doesn't have mode 0x11B (kernel 0x31B = 795) |
| 08:24.14 | DragoraN | so? |
| 08:24.34 | jelly-home | DragoraN: does say 775 work? |
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| 08:25.29 | DragoraN | i must try |
| 08:25.32 | litage | i'm having some trouble understanding the explanation at http://www.linuxinsight.com/proc_sys_vm_laptop_mode.html . does it mean that the value of /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode is the # of seconds after the disc has spun up that a sync will occur? |
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| 08:27.19 | esters | hello again, how can i enable bash autocomplete when using sudo in framebuffer (when using Xserver autocomplete with sudo works fine) |
| 08:27.42 | mcgreg | could you name me a printer(series), at best a muti-functional device with printip+scanning that works very good with linux? (maxbe with printing+scanning) |
| 08:28.13 | jelly-home | litage: a comment in /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf says ... "Seconds laptop mode has to wait after the disk goes idle before doing a sync" |
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| 08:28.28 | wols | !printer |
| 08:28.28 | dpkg | hmm... printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui or printconf |
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| 08:28.39 | wols | mcgreg: see that url |
| 08:28.52 | wols | !sane |
| 08:28.52 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ |
| 08:28.57 | jelly-home | DragoraN: did you add an appropriate video= option for kernel? |
| 08:29.01 | wols | and look at that for supported scanners |
| 08:29.48 | DragoraN | jelly-home: nope :( what shoud I? |
| 08:29.51 | jelly-home | DragoraN: on my i915 laptop, in /boot/grub/menu.lst, I have: # defoptions=vga=0x369 video=intelfb:accel=1 |
| 08:29.54 | litage | jelly-home: right, but why would a sync occur *after* the disc goes idle? shouldn't a sync occur while the disc is still spinning, so that it doesn't need to be spun up again? |
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| 08:31.28 | esters | hello again, how can i enable bash autocomplete when using sudo in framebuffer (when using Xserver autocomplete with sudo works fine) |
| 08:31.29 | esters | ? |
| 08:31.42 | DragoraN | jelly-home: to get working intelfb:accel=1 i must install somthing? |
| 08:31.48 | jelly-home | litage: perhaps the idea is, after the current real work is finished, do a flush ... and possibly spin down the disk with no dirty buffers |
| 08:31.54 | jelly-home | DragoraN: no |
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| 08:32.29 | jelly-home | DragoraN: intelfb driver comes with the kernel |
| 08:33.02 | DragoraN | cool |
| 08:33.12 | jelly-home | DragoraN: also, apparently you don't have to convert the mode to decimal any more |
| 08:33.50 | DragoraN | cool, thx |
| 08:34.35 | jelly-home | DragoraN: you have to run /usr/sbin/update-grub after you edit that comment |
| 08:34.38 | DragoraN | jelly-home: i ended up in 80x25 |
| 08:35.06 | jelly-home | DragoraN: what was with 773, and no explicit video=... right? |
| 08:35.17 | jelly-home | s/what/that/ |
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| 08:35.47 | DragoraN | jelly-home: i put this : defoptions=vga=0x369 video=intelfb:accel=1 |
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| 08:36.11 | jelly-home | DragoraN: _don't_ use 0x369, use a mode that is supposed to work on your machine |
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| 08:36.29 | DragoraN | jelly-home: and which is it? |
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| 08:37.30 | jelly-home | DragoraN: uh... how did you come up with 795 anyway? :-) the modse are |
| 08:37.55 | jelly-home | DragoraN: written in linux source, Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
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| 08:42.35 | jelly-home | DragoraN: or eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions |
| 08:45.01 | jelly-home | DragoraN: oh... one problem might be that your card doesn't have 24bpp modes, only 32bpp |
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| 08:47.26 | DragoraN | jelly-home: iam using 0x11B and no effect |
| 08:47.49 | DragoraN | jelly-home: You passed an undefined mode number |
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| 08:48.24 | liable | vga=ask |
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| 08:49.53 | jelly-home | DragoraN: ... you have to add 0x200, so 0x31B (which is 795 in decimal, which you already tried albeit without specifying a video= driver afterwards) |
| 08:50.20 | DragoraN | jelly-home: i have video=intelfb:accel=1 |
| 08:50.47 | DragoraN | jelly-home: why this is so complicated |
| 08:51.20 | DragoraN | jelly-home: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/sda6 ro vga=0x31B video=intelfb:mode=1280x1024-32@75,accel=1 |
| 08:52.01 | jelly-home | DragoraN: looks a-ok to me |
| 08:52.12 | DragoraN | jelly-home: ... |
| 08:52.31 | Surtsey | So nobody here has any experience encoding PSP-compatible h.264/AAC videos in Sid? :( |
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| 08:52.50 | jelly-home | Surtsey: maybe try #mplayer |
| 08:53.04 | Surtsey | jelly-home: Well the problem isn't ffmpeg - it's how to get ffmpeg on Debian with AAC |
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| 08:53.20 | jelly-home | Surtsey: oh. I think /msg dpkg marillat |
| 08:53.35 | jelly-home | Surtsey: ffmpeg is crippled in Debian :-( |
| 08:54.00 | Surtsey | jelly-home: Yeah. I actually am trying to use the ffmpeg from that repo right now - it just segfaults :\ |
| 08:54.08 | Surtsey | I suppose I'll try to figure out why and hit up the maintainer |
| 08:55.03 | jelly-home | Surtsey: I think it can happen if you mix debian and Marillat's packages. try making sure everything ffmpeg / libavcodec / faac / faad is from marillat |
| 08:55.31 | Surtsey | jelly-home: I simply uninstalled ffmpeg before adding the repository - have any other useful tips for scouring my packages? |
| 08:55.35 | jelly-home | mplayer/mencoder too :-) |
| 08:56.12 | jelly-home | Surtsey: uhh... not really. dpkg -l \*stuff\* |grep ^.i and apt-cache policy are your friends |
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| 08:56.47 | Surtsey | jelly-home: I shall investigate. Danke for your assistance ... don't be surprised if I bother you for more ;) |
| 08:57.01 | maxxle | I've got problems with my evolution mailer. The symbols for attachments are too big. How can I change this (Running Evolution on XFCE) |
| 08:57.36 | jelly-home | DragoraN: dunno, try a common mode like 1024x768 @ 8bpp (vga=0x305) |
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| 08:59.00 | jelly-home | DragoraN: if you're unsing grub, you don't have to edit menu.lst every time. pressing 'e' on a grub menu item will take you to editing the boot lines |
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| 08:59.26 | DragoraN | jelly-home: i knwo |
| 08:59.36 | |DuReX| | hello, how can I make my mysql server connectable from other pc ? |
| 08:59.44 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:59.53 | |DuReX| | over network |
| 08:59.56 | jelly-home | DragoraN: and I agree that setting up fb is a PITA, but then again it's not very useful for a common user |
| 09:00.09 | stt | hi, why my contab command doesn't function? |
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| 09:00.46 | Surtsey | |DuReX|: edit /etc/mysql/my.conf, comment out the 'bind-address' directive |
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| 09:00.56 | jelly-home | !ops cvg* buggerers |
| 09:00.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: cvg* buggerers |
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| 09:01.00 | Surtsey | |DuReX|: Restart it, should just work on port 3306 now |
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| 09:01.23 | liable | precusor to a bot attack looks like |
| 09:01.43 | jelly-home | "testing, testing, does this thing work?" |
| 09:02.10 | |DuReX| | Surtsey: get connection refused ... :s |
| 09:02.12 | |DuReX| | weirdo :s |
| 09:02.22 | Surtsey | Bots are really quite pleasant if you just scratch under their chins. |
| 09:02.31 | stt | my crontab's command is "30 23 * * * shutdown -P10", shutdown the pc at 23:30 :( |
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| 09:02.38 | Surtsey | |DuReX|: Give me a minute to fiddle with mine. |
| 09:02.49 | liable | ... |
| 09:03.12 | jelly-home | bot, right? |
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| 09:05.26 | DragoraN | jelly-home: now worked :) cool small font, thx! |
| 09:05.28 | Surtsey | |DuReX|: Not sure if I can help you if that didn't work. I modified my config, restarted the daemon and scanned myself with this:nmap -S 192.168.7.40 127.0.0.1 -p 3306 -e eth1 |
| 09:05.36 | Surtsey | |DuReX|: The port's visible. |
| 09:06.03 | Surtsey | I'm no pro with nmap though ;) |
| 09:06.21 | |DuReX| | yea |
| 09:06.26 | |DuReX| | its availible from localhost |
| 09:06.29 | |DuReX| | not from outside :) |
| 09:06.34 | Surtsey | Right - hence the -S switch |
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| 09:06.56 | jelly-home | DragoraN: with intelfb you should be able to use fbset to change the resolution or depth on the fly |
| 09:07.04 | FuzzyB | funny you say bot attack, i actually saw one for the first time in ages happen on oftc in #xen last night |
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| 09:08.09 | Surtsey | |DuReX|: I suppose your config may have skip-networking enabled |
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| 09:08.54 | jelly-home | DragoraN: or use setfont to change the font. I'm shortsighted and I use a 10x20 font (package console-terminus) ;-) |
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| 09:09.55 | |DuReX| | # |
| 09:09.55 | |DuReX| | # Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on |
| 09:09.55 | |DuReX| | # localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure. |
| 09:09.56 | jelly-home | er, actually it's TerminusBold 28x14 |
| 09:10.19 | Surtsey | |DuReX|: Right - that's default now but wasn't always. |
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| 09:11.25 | |DuReX| | binding to localhost means it is only connectable from the localhost |
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| 09:11.34 | |DuReX| | how can i make it connectable outside localhost |
| 09:11.35 | Surtsey | ... |DuReX| Yes, correct. |
| 09:11.39 | jelly-home | /IGNORE cvg*!cvg@* NOTI |
| 09:12.11 | xst | Recently my .Xdefaults / .Xresources file stopped being loaded upon login. I used to configure the emacs font size in here, but what do I do now? |
| 09:12.21 | netdaemon | so what is the key difference between iceweasel and firefox? |
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| 09:12.26 | Surtsey | netdaemon: name. |
| 09:12.34 | Surtsey | netdaemon: It's for legal issues only. |
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| 09:24.45 | wigfreitz | why might you get child process failed with apt-get -b source? |
| 09:24.58 | FuzzyB | is your swap on? |
| 09:25.25 | wigfreitz | FuzzyB: bloody good question |
| 09:25.29 | Surtsey | lol |
| 09:25.42 | wigfreitz | how do I check? |
| 09:25.48 | FuzzyB | type free |
| 09:25.49 | Surtsey | wigfreitz: $mount |
| 09:25.54 | Surtsey | ... or that. |
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| 09:26.17 | FuzzyB | mount isn't going to show swap |
| 09:26.21 | wigfreitz | yes I have a GB swap |
| 09:26.59 | FuzzyB | ok then i would guess it's gcc dieing because it doesn't like something in the source package your trying to compile |
| 09:27.17 | wigfreitz | broken source probably then? |
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| 09:27.22 | Surtsey | FuzzyB: Guess you're right. I thought it did :\ |
| 09:27.24 | FuzzyB | are you sure everything you need to compile is installed? |
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| 09:28.02 | FuzzyB | Surtsey: the easist way to get real honest information about memory / swap usage is via free |
| 09:28.25 | Surtsey | FuzzyB: yeah. I could have swore mount listed mounted swap. |
| 09:28.27 | Surtsey | oh well. |
| 09:28.28 | wigfreitz | I did apt-get build-dep before hand |
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| 09:28.47 | FuzzyB | try to build a different package from source |
| 09:28.50 | FuzzyB | like vim or something |
| 09:28.58 | hoodlum | i have 3x320gb hard disks in my server right, now ive configured a software raid 5 array with mdadam or what ever its called. i formatted the partition with ext3 .. but its only listing the amount of space as 587gb and only 557gb free when there is nothing occupying any space in the partition |
| 09:28.59 | hoodlum | any ideas? |
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| 09:29.29 | FuzzyB | hoodlum: filesystem overhead |
| 09:29.29 | hoodlum | ive changed the block size to 1024 and it hasnt changed or anything |
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| 09:29.37 | hoodlum | FuzzyB ok |
| 09:29.40 | wigfreitz | kirill? |
| 09:29.55 | hoodlum | so how do i go about repairing this? |
| 09:30.11 | FuzzyB | repairing what? |
| 09:30.15 | hoodlum | the file system overheard |
| 09:30.20 | FuzzyB | you don't repair it |
| 09:30.23 | FuzzyB | it just exists |
| 09:30.27 | hoodlum | right |
| 09:30.34 | hoodlum | with reiser i had alot more space avaible to myself |
| 09:30.44 | DragoraN | why is wpasupplicant package broken? :( |
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| 09:31.30 | FuzzyB | hoodlum: i guess you really don't like your data |
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| 09:31.56 | hoodlum | i dont? |
| 09:32.05 | hoodlum | and you say this why? |
| 09:32.06 | user_ | hey guys, can anyone tell me what difference is betwen frugal and hd install?:) |
| 09:32.11 | FuzzyB | the only thing i trust when it comes to reiser is the fact that my data ISN'T safe |
| 09:32.17 | hoodlum | lol yeah |
| 09:32.25 | hoodlum | but its a wife murderer fs |
| 09:32.28 | hoodlum | thats waht i like about it |
| 09:32.39 | FuzzyB | i don't care about his wife |
| 09:32.57 | FuzzyB | that will never amount to the millions of bits lost to the reiserfs cause |
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| 09:33.02 | user_ | lol, wifes murderer, best geeks fs -.- |
| 09:33.05 | war | hoodlum: use xfs ;) |
| 09:33.17 | hoodlum | people throwing file systems at me everywhere |
| 09:33.17 | hoodlum | haha |
| 09:33.19 | FuzzyB | xfs + smp seem to have issues with more than 2x processors |
| 09:33.35 | hoodlum | ill just use ext3 as it'll just be easiest |
| 09:33.47 | FuzzyB | i use to use xfs for everything, now i just use ext3 |
| 09:34.33 | Surtsey | Ehh. I've been using Reiser3 for ... going on 5 years or so. TONS of power outages, hard drive swaps, mobo failures, you name it. not one filesystem problem reiser didn't fix on its own. |
| 09:34.33 | wigfreitz | hoodlum:kirill? |
| 09:34.37 | Surtsey | 0 data loss. |
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| 09:35.08 | hoodlum | hmmmm |
| 09:35.13 | DragoraN | how to set wireless networks in /etc/network/interfaces is it possible? |
| 09:35.15 | FuzzyB | Surtsey: keep knocking, those are the famous last words |
| 09:35.29 | Surtsey | FuzzyB: Just as many people hate XFS or EXT* as Reiser :P |
| 09:35.33 | Surtsey | just depends who you're around when you ask. |
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| 09:35.36 | FuzzyB | not true |
| 09:35.40 | Blissex | FuzzyB: «xfs + smp seem to have issues with more than 2x processors» thats very very unlikely, XFS is designed for massive multiprocessors... |
| 09:35.52 | FuzzyB | there are more people that hate reiser than xfs + ext2/3 combined |
| 09:36.07 | Surtsey | FuzzyB: If so, probably because of silly FUD :) |
| 09:36.11 | hoodlum | i guess ill just go with ext3 |
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| 09:36.13 | hoodlum | go with what i know |
| 09:36.17 | Surtsey | But I'm a loyal Reiser user, never one issue. Ever. |
| 09:36.18 | hoodlum | cause ive never seen any benefits to reiser |
| 09:36.27 | FuzzyB | Blissex: @ sgi's labs sure, but last batch of testing i did, xfs was giving me all sorts of crap on my 8 way xeon |
| 09:36.46 | Blissex | FuzzyB: very odd indeed. |
| 09:36.48 | FuzzyB | Surtsey: like i said, keep knocking on wood |
| 09:36.49 | Dj_Vic | i got banned from ubuntus room, how can i get unbanned |
| 09:36.56 | Surtsey | FuzzyB: :P I'm fine |
| 09:37.02 | FuzzyB | Dj_Vic: quit being a douche |
| 09:37.11 | stt | I am using reiser4 for everything , It just woks fine for me |
| 09:37.11 | Surtsey | Dj_Vic: And don't ask here unless you want to get banned here too :) |
| 09:37.11 | Dj_Vic | eW91IG1vdGhlcmZ1Y2tlcg== |
| 09:37.20 | Dj_Vic | '=] |
| 09:37.24 | Blissex | FuzzyB: I vaguely remember some locking issue in some specific kernel version though. |
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| 09:38.35 | FuzzyB | Blissex: like i said, i used to run xfs everywhere, until i saw xen guests randomly seg faulting due to fs "freakouts" |
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| 09:38.53 | FuzzyB | i really wish i still had some of those logs just so i could show you what was up |
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| 09:39.07 | Dj_Vic | YWxsIHlvdSBndXlzIGNhbiBzdWNrIG15IGRpY2s= |
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| 09:39.27 | Blissex | FuzzyB: interesting to know anhyhow. I prefer JFS myself as a compromise between various qualities, and it is quite reliable. |
| 09:39.28 | liable | Dj_Vic: you want to get banned here too? |
| 09:39.32 | waltercool | in debian, where i can change gui window?? appear for gnome, and i have kde :S |
| 09:39.43 | hoodlum | meh im going with reiser, less filesystem overhead or what ever |
| 09:39.44 | Dj_Vic | why do you say that liable? |
| 09:39.56 | Surtsey | Dj_Vic: Because you're posting gibberish. Stop. |
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| 09:40.09 | liable | Dj_Vic: because of the meaningless crap you are pasting |
| 09:40.11 | Blissex | waltercool: /etc/X11/default-window-manager or something like that. |
| 09:40.29 | Dj_Vic | umm u have to decode, and then youll know what im saying |
| 09:40.34 | Surtsey | ... LOL |
| 09:40.37 | liable | Dj_Vic: no |
| 09:40.41 | Dj_Vic | '=] yes |
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| 09:40.53 | Surtsey | <3 trolls |
| 09:40.53 | liable | Dj_Vic: you have to stop being a wanker and you wont get banned |
| 09:40.55 | FuzzyB | Blissex: I won't ever use jfs again, i found a nasty bug in it years ago that destroyed my laptop after the driver wrote a bad bit in a specific place ( ibm released a patch for the problem weeks after i "found" it ) |
| 09:41.07 | Dj_Vic | whats a wanker? |
| 09:41.10 | Blissex | FuzzyB: that was years ago... |
| 09:41.17 | Surtsey | #define wanker Dj_Vic |
| 09:41.27 | FuzzyB | Doesn't matter, burn me once it's their fault, burn me twice it's mine |
| 09:41.58 | Surtsey | FuzzyB: You don't think you're going to magically find software with ZERO bugs, do you? |
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| 09:42.25 | FuzzyB | no, but i'll use the one with the best record ( and that's ext2/3 at the momment ) |
| 09:43.01 | Surtsey | FuzzyB: Please link me to something that actually has numbers. |
| 09:43.06 | waltercool | Blissex: mm... dont appear something like..., i speak about window configurator for installers or another (u can choose kde, gnome or console gui) |
| 09:43.08 | Dj_Vic | rm -rs #debian '=]] |
| 09:43.17 | Surtsey | I have nothing against EXT2/3 but arguing about filesystems is about as ridiculous as arguing about distros. |
| 09:43.45 | liable | !start a fs war |
| 09:43.46 | dpkg | xfs is too slow! |
| 09:43.52 | FuzzyB | Surtsey: i'm not argueing with you, i'm telling you what my history with file systems is. |
| 09:43.52 | Dj_Vic | oh |
| 09:43.53 | Dj_Vic | -fs |
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| 09:44.31 | Blissex | waltercool: ahhh that's something else. You mean a GUI package manager? |
| 09:44.34 | Surtsey | FuzzyB: I understand that - but you see, your history holds no water. For all I know, you were using ReiserFS on 9 year old 800M hard drives that clicked more than a cocaine addict |
| 09:44.45 | waltercool | maybe :S idk the name |
| 09:45.02 | FuzzyB | Surtsey: like i give two hoots what holds water with you? |
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| 09:45.13 | FuzzyB | you don't admin my network, nor will you ever touch my servers |
| 09:45.54 | Surtsey | FuzzyB: So why not humour me? :) |
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| 09:46.12 | Surtsey | At least stop spreading FUD and saying "REISER DESTROYS DATA" |
| 09:46.17 | FuzzyB | it does |
| 09:46.20 | Surtsey | Maybe it destroys YOUR data because it found your IRC logs :P |
| 09:46.22 | FuzzyB | it's not FUD |
| 09:46.24 | FuzzyB | google it |
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| 09:46.28 | waltercool | Blissex: Where is the option for change that? |
| 09:46.36 | Surtsey | FuzzyB: Google EXT2/3 FS errors. They exist. OH MY! |
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| 09:46.41 | FuzzyB | quit trying to be a damm fs zealot |
| 09:46.53 | Surtsey | FuzzyB: LOL: 09:50 < Surtsey> I have nothing against EXT2/3 but arguing about filesystems is about as ridiculous as arguing about distros. |
| 09:47.14 | FuzzyB | then why do you keep poking this topic with a stick trying to stir something up? |
| 09:47.19 | litage | i put the following at the end of /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi and rebooted, but hal-device-manager says the 2 values are true. what else do i need to do to disable these 2 options?: http://rafb.net/p/zasLYl35.html |
| 09:47.27 | FuzzyB | rather why havent i put you on ignore yet |
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| 09:47.40 | Surtsey | FuzzyB: I'm just asking you to show me some hard statistics about ReiserFS failure being much greater than EXT2/3. If you can't do that, you really should stop spreading your ridiculous disinformation. |
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| 09:47.48 | FuzzyB | and i'm telling oyu |
| 09:47.54 | Surtsey | yeah yeah |
| 09:47.56 | FuzzyB | if you really give a crap go google it your damm self |
| 09:47.58 | Surtsey | "me big admin, me hard drive boom" |
| 09:48.27 | trajan | hi guys, anyone know the quantity of memory selected in a default kernel ? |
| 09:48.31 | rvalles | Surtsey: lol |
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| 09:49.34 | djtjmaui | is there a package to rebuild /lib/modules? |
| 09:49.51 | litage | djtjmaui: reinstall your kernel |
| 09:50.11 | djtjmaui | litage: what package? linux-source? |
| 09:50.26 | FuzzyB | or maybe depmod? |
| 09:50.29 | litage | djtjmaui: apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r) i think |
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| 09:50.47 | djtjmaui | !depmod |
| 09:50.47 | dpkg | This is how the kernel module depedency list is created. It's done automatically (forcefully, even if it exists) on every boot in debian |
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| 09:52.12 | djtjmaui | Heres some background. Im trying to install network card module from source, needs file from /lib/modules/<some path>, i'm running colinux but its not playing nice |
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| 09:56.06 | SexYBabY_ | Click Here ---> Www.DereceMarekeT.Com <--- Click Here |
| 09:56.18 | Surtsey | I'm clicking but it's not doing anything! |
| 09:56.53 | Ronin | !ops SexYBabY_ is spamming |
| 09:56.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: ronin complains about: SexYBabY_ is spamming |
| 09:57.03 | Ronin | although i doubt theyre awake yet |
| 09:57.18 | djtjmaui | what command do you use to check kernel version? |
| 09:57.20 | Surtsey | Ronin: Well he pissed someone big off anyway haha. |
| 09:57.26 | Surtsey | djtjmaui: uname -a |
| 09:57.31 | djtjmaui | thnx |
| 09:57.34 | Surtsey | Well, you can refine it more, but that's the gist of it |
| 09:57.38 | RichiH | Ronin: thnaks |
| 09:57.45 | Ronin | any time |
| 09:58.03 | Ronin | even better to get RichiH on the case heh |
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| 10:07.36 | Dj_ToNy | for download debian? |
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| 10:08.23 | liable | !d-i Dj_ToNy |
| 10:08.24 | dpkg | Dj_ToNy, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 10:09.44 | Dj_ToNy | what's the version for intel pentium 4 ht 3200? |
| 10:10.02 | liable | x86 |
| 10:11.43 | liable | !ig |
| 10:11.44 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 10:11.49 | jelly-home | Dj_ToNy: i386, even |
| 10:11.54 | liable | Dj_ToNy: ^^ have a read of that |
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| 10:12.44 | TrueDD | Salut tous |
| 10:12.50 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 10:13.49 | kakalto | I just put a network card into the pc I have debian on... what should I do to configure it? |
| 10:14.32 | Dj_ToNy | thnx liable |
| 10:14.34 | liable | depends if the kernel supports is cuz' |
| 10:14.44 | liable | s/is/it/ |
| 10:15.03 | liable | Dj_ToNy: no problem |
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| 10:16.55 | TrueDD | kakalto, you have to add this interface in the /etc/networking/interfaces file |
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| 10:18.28 | Dj_ToNy | _ |
| 10:18.39 | Dj_ToNy | 12 gb of operating system? |
| 10:18.42 | kakalto | TrueDD: thanks |
| 10:19.46 | liable | Dj_ToNy: thats the total amount of packages. you can install base in about 200mb |
| 10:20.04 | liable | or maybe 350, i dont remember what base is exactly |
| 10:20.12 | Dj_ToNy | hihi |
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| 10:21.20 | Dj_ToNy | therefore it would be enough to me to download only the cd1 |
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| 10:23.46 | liable | yes, or the netinst if you have dsl |
| 10:24.04 | liable | Dj_ToNy: its all covered in the install guide |
| 10:25.04 | Dj_ToNy | hihi more thanks |
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| 10:40.45 | wigfreitz | whats the best way to copy a direcoty |
| 10:40.51 | Blackgoth | !bash |
| 10:40.52 | dpkg | somebody said bash was the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell. |
| 10:40.56 | Blackgoth | >< |
| 10:41.15 | FuzzyB | wigfreitz: either cp or rsync |
| 10:41.17 | cahoot | wigfreitz: look at cp -a |
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| 10:42.07 | FuzzyB | use cp -a or look into rsync -avz |
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| 10:43.53 | stauki | hello |
| 10:46.11 | Blackgoth | I need to remove a couple 100 files from different directory's, they all end with the same extention. anyone with a idea to do this? |
| 10:46.39 | dwu | Anything else in the same directory with the same extension? IOf not, rm *<extension> if yes, prolly need something more. |
| 10:47.02 | Blackgoth | different directory's dwu :) |
| 10:47.09 | dwu | Yeah, was going to say, for. |
| 10:48.05 | dwu | 'for i in dir ddir2 dir3 dir4 do cd $i; rm *.extension; done; - or similar. You |
| 10:48.10 | dwu | may need to refine, etc. |
| 10:49.02 | dwu | In fact, you -do- need to refine - insert a cd ../ before done ;) |
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| 10:51.25 | Blackgoth | damnit dwu, need to fix my login :P thnx anyway |
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| 10:51.43 | dwu | Heh :) |
| 10:51.52 | dwu | Well, y'know. |
| 10:52.04 | dwu | It's not perfect, mind, but you can see how it works, sorta. |
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| 10:52.49 | jelly-home | gross |
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| 10:53.20 | dwu | <shrug> you do it for him. |
| 10:53.24 | jelly-home | what happened to find dir1 dir2 dir3 ... -name '*.extension' -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 10:53.26 | dwu | I'm just bored and twiddly. |
| 10:53.45 | dwu | Yeah, see, now he has something pretty :) |
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| 10:54.23 | jelly-home | pretty doesn't matter, /me prefers "working" |
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| 10:54.52 | Blackgoth | jelly-home: will that work recursive? |
| 10:55.05 | jelly-home | Blackgoth: unfortunately, yes |
| 10:55.11 | Blackgoth | perfect |
| 10:55.40 | jelly-home | dwu: Have you tried it? I wonder when does the shell expand that * |
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| 10:56.32 | dwu | Ah, gods, fine, your method works perfectly, mine wouldn't work at all, bow down, etc. |
| 10:56.53 | Overflow | how do i add a key to apt |
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| 10:57.24 | Blackgoth | so, in theory jelly-home: this should work? find /raid0 ... -name '*.sfv' -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 10:57.38 | jelly-home | Blackgoth: correct |
| 10:58.10 | Blackgoth | find: ...: No such file or directory |
| 10:58.11 | Blackgoth | :+ |
| 10:58.17 | jelly-home | Blackgoth: it'll also try to delete any directories (or other special files) if their names match *.sfv |
| 10:58.29 | Overflow | i got "gpg --recv-keys keynumber" in a site how do i set it? |
| 10:58.31 | Blackgoth | thats file |
| 10:58.34 | Blackgoth | *fine |
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| 10:58.40 | supaman | Overflow: check out the apt-key program |
| 10:58.52 | Overflow | apt-key is from a file.. |
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| 10:59.05 | jelly-home | Blackgoth: if you want only files, add ... -type f ... to the mix after the directories but before -print0 |
| 10:59.07 | Overflow | can u xplain for a sec. |
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| 10:59.35 | supaman | Overflow: well, dont know exactly how this works so I cant really explain, just wanted to point you in a direction that might work |
| 10:59.50 | Overflow | hmm tied that thx.. |
| 10:59.51 | Blackgoth | jelly-home: rm: missing operand |
| 10:59.57 | Overflow | tried* |
| 11:00.10 | jelly-home | Blackgoth: sounds like no files match *.sfv |
| 11:00.31 | Overflow | i got the key number but how do i refer it to the repository? |
| 11:00.42 | supaman | Overflow: gpg --export | sudo apt-key add - |
| 11:00.47 | supaman | Overflow: have you tried that? |
| 11:00.52 | Overflow | nope |
| 11:01.12 | supaman | http://www.webservertalk.com/archive291-2007-5-1882463.html |
| 11:01.15 | jelly-home | Blackgoth: do just "find /raid0 ... -name '*.sfv'" to make it print out the paths matching |
| 11:01.19 | Overflow | after the add - i put the keynum? |
| 11:01.39 | supaman | Overflow: there in the first answere there is something mentioned about this |
| 11:01.47 | jelly-home | Blackgoth: or RTFM to find out how to do a case insensitive match if that's the problem ;-) |
| 11:02.01 | Blackgoth | heh |
| 11:02.13 | SmallR2002 | anyone else signed that anti-msxml petition? |
| 11:02.16 | Overflow | ill try thx |
| 11:02.47 | Blackgoth | yay, it worked jelly-home |
| 11:02.49 | Blackgoth | thnx |
| 11:03.11 | Blackgoth | and also, thanks dwu :) |
| 11:03.51 | Overflow | it didnt work |
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| 11:04.42 | Dj_Vic | hello |
| 11:04.42 | Overflow | i have the repository sign. not a file.. just a key number.. what do i do... lol |
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| 11:05.04 | supaman | Overflow: what did you do, did you do the gpg --recv-keys <key number> before the export thing? |
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| 11:05.21 | Overflow | oops |
| 11:05.26 | Overflow | newbe me |
| 11:05.29 | abrotman | !apt-get numberhere |
| 11:05.33 | abrotman | !apt-key numberhere |
| 11:05.34 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys numberhere ; gpg --export numberhere | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 11:06.04 | Overflow | thx ill try |
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| 11:07.36 | Enverex | What's the default ext3 mode? Mine's currently set to journal_data_writeback but I can't remmeber the default to change it back |
| 11:07.42 | jelly-home | dwu: sorry if I sounded condescending, but the point isn't to boast about whose suggestion works, but to provide support |
| 11:08.15 | Overflow | worked thx |
| 11:09.32 | Guerin | i thought the point was to talk about beer |
| 11:09.43 | Enverex | Can you change the label of ext3 drives while they are mounted? |
| 11:09.51 | jelly-home | less talking, more drinking! |
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| 11:10.11 | Ronin | jelly-home: too early, still have to shingle a roof anyhow today |
| 11:10.33 | abrotman | Ronin: so what's wrong with beer? |
| 11:10.33 | jelly-home | Enverex: my /proc/mounts says data=ordered |
| 11:10.45 | Ronin | abrotman: no drinking till the work is done |
| 11:10.46 | abrotman | honestly .. what could go wrong with drinking and being 15ft off the ground |
| 11:10.50 | Enverex | jelly-home, and that's the default right? |
| 11:10.51 | Ronin | other then water etc |
| 11:10.55 | Guerin | Ronin: that's a stupid rule |
| 11:11.00 | jelly-home | nothing wrong with beer, but falling off the roof could be not fun |
| 11:11.14 | Guerin | it takes a L<OT of beer to make someone fall off a roof |
| 11:11.20 | Guerin | mind you |
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| 11:11.29 | Guerin | all you USians are lightweights anyhow |
| 11:11.30 | Ronin | jelly-home: i agree, nothing wrong with beer, thats why i have 4 5gl kegs full here |
| 11:11.32 | jelly-home | Guerin: what, if you throw kegs at him? |
| 11:11.41 | Ronin | Guerin: who you calling usian there mister |
| 11:11.48 | Guerin | Ronin: the USians? |
| 11:11.51 | abrotman | bah .. Guerin doesn't know anything about .us beer |
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| 11:12.05 | jelly-home | .us beer is an oxymoron |
| 11:12.10 | Guerin | and Canajins aren't much better, in my experience |
| 11:12.11 | Ronin | there are indeed some excellent .us beers guys |
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| 11:12.23 | Guerin | Ronin: ssh, don't spoil the fun |
| 11:12.26 | Ronin | Guerin: you need to stop trying the megaswill and start trying the micros |
| 11:12.27 | jelly-home | !start a beer war |
| 11:12.38 | abrotman | dpkg: die |
| 11:12.38 | dpkg | I'll murder you abrotman! Skin you alive and toss you in the great salt lake! |
| 11:12.45 | Ronin | heh |
| 11:13.07 | abrotman | because it is |
| 11:13.08 | chemaja | is it normal for perl to fail setting of locale when runing postinst for an etch -> lenny upgrade being run around this time? i'm using en_AU.UTF-8 |
| 11:13.10 | abrotman | stop being a tard |
| 11:13.27 | Guerin | abrotman: I realise this. |
| 11:13.29 | chemaja | ie. aptitude/apt postinst |
| 11:13.35 | jelly-home | chemaja: it's ugly but expected |
| 11:13.51 | chemaja | ok, is that a transient issue or something normal for dist-upgrades |
| 11:13.53 | Guerin | chemaja: no, this is a known problem, solved by removing locales and installing locales-all |
| 11:14.08 | Guerin | chemaja: not normal; a bug. See BTS, file if necessary. |
| 11:14.11 | Enverex | Does anyone here use ext4 or has tried it? |
| 11:14.17 | Guerin | !anyone use ext4 |
| 11:14.18 | dpkg | No, no one uses ext4, not even the people who use it. |
| 11:14.19 | chemaja | ok, thanks jelly-home and Guerin |
| 11:14.21 | Enverex | Erm is it even in the Debian kernel? (.21) |
| 11:14.29 | Enverex | !anyone use debian |
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| 11:14.29 | dpkg | No, no one uses debian, not even the people who use it. |
| 11:14.35 | Enverex | Funny |
| 11:14.40 | abrotman | Enverex: is .21 in debian ? |
| 11:14.42 | chemaja | i knew i should have used apt-listbugs. :) |
| 11:14.44 | Enverex | Guerin, Now answer and not be a nob |
| 11:14.48 | jelly-home | Guerin: humm... doesn't dpkg-reconfigure locales and adding the correct one help? |
| 11:14.48 | Guerin | abrotman: in sid |
| 11:14.49 | Enverex | abrotman, Yeah |
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| 11:14.58 | Guerin | Enverex: i did answer. Now ask a decent question. |
| 11:15.00 | abrotman | stupid unstable! |
| 11:15.12 | Guerin | jelly-home: no, because the bug prevents locales from being fully installed |
| 11:15.23 | jelly-home | Guerin: hah. |
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| 11:15.46 | Enverex | Guerin, I'd like to know who I'm gonna be talking to first. I really don't give a shit if you thought it was a "decent" question or not. |
| 11:16.09 | Enverex | So anyway, is ext4 in Sid's .21 kernel? |
| 11:16.28 | Guerin | Enverex: it's not what I thought. It's about the question. Polling is stupid. Almost as stupid as arguing abouot it. |
| 11:16.29 | abrotman | Enverex: get the package .. get the config |
| 11:16.36 | Guerin | Enverex: why don't you grep the kernel config? |
| 11:16.39 | Enverex | abrotman, yeah, just thought of that |
| 11:16.40 | HostilePenguin | i already feel the love in #debian |
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| 11:16.50 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: if you don't like it .. you can /part ? |
| 11:17.09 | jelly-home | HostilePenguin: well, you're the one that's hostile |
| 11:17.09 | Guerin | abrotman: he DOES like it - he's HostilePenguin, not FriendlyPenguin |
| 11:17.10 | chemaja | it seemingly just generated my locale automatically (the postinst of locales package). |
| 11:17.19 | jelly-home | ba-dam pssccch |
| 11:17.20 | Dj_Vic | damn everyone is an asshole here |
| 11:17.24 | Guerin | chemaja: the wrong one? |
| 11:17.31 | Enverex | Dj_ToNy, You only just noticed? Heh, you must be new. |
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| 11:17.47 | chemaja | Guerin, i believe so |
| 11:17.50 | Dj_Vic | ? |
| 11:17.51 | Dj_Vic | tony? |
| 11:17.58 | Enverex | Ok, grepping doesn't find it, but that's odd because that means it's not set at all, so that still doesn't really answer it |
| 11:17.59 | chemaja | the scrollback buffer just got swamped so i cant go check |
| 11:17.59 | Dj_ToNy | ? |
| 11:18.01 | Enverex | Dj_Vic, sorry |
| 11:18.03 | Guerin | chemaja: that happened to the other guy too. locales-all is a workaround. |
| 11:18.04 | Dj_Vic | lol |
| 11:18.07 | Dj_ToNy | :D |
| 11:18.18 | chemaja | nice. |
| 11:18.20 | Dj_Vic | i got banned from ubuntu |
| 11:18.21 | Dj_Vic | lol |
| 11:18.22 | HostilePenguin | abrotman wtf is you constant problem get you head out of you ass get a life and when im talking to you ill address you |
| 11:18.30 | Guerin | Dj_Vic: for lolling too much? |
| 11:18.33 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: stop whining like a child |
| 11:18.36 | Dj_Vic | i got bored and said linux blows and they got all butthurt and banned me |
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| 11:18.39 | jelly-home | Enverex: yes, you can [re]label a mounted ext3 |
| 11:18.43 | Guerin | HostilePenguin: don't take yourself so seriously, nobody else does. |
| 11:18.45 | waltercool | someone know a good java IDE for debian?? for KDE |
| 11:18.52 | HostilePenguin | like i said ill addredd you when i want your comments |
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| 11:19.01 | Enverex | jelly-home, Thanks, already done it so was just hoping it wasn't gonna break now |
| 11:19.03 | Guerin | waltercool: a good java ide? No such thing. And for KDE? HAHAHA |
| 11:19.08 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: then please direct all your whining .. or shut up |
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| 11:19.17 | waltercool | Guerin: LOL xD |
| 11:19.30 | Enverex | This channel is a big violation of Debian's rule thingy on its site, heh |
| 11:19.39 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: if you don't want unsolicited comments on random crap you say .. then just be quiet |
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| 11:19.42 | Guerin | Enverex: not really, since it's not the official channel. |
| 11:19.43 | waltercool | Guerin: I say for Debian, in other words, using free JDK |
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| 11:19.48 | jelly-home | Guerin: eclipse is not good? |
| 11:19.52 | liable | Enverex: this isnt an official channel |
| 11:19.54 | Guerin | waltercool: i recommend emacs. |
| 11:19.56 | Enverex | Guerin, I don't see a second #... |
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| 11:20.04 | Guerin | jelly-home: i wouldn't know ;) |
| 11:20.07 | waltercool | Guerin: In emac i cant make servlets |
| 11:20.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: i think he wants an IDE to make java .. not run in java |
| 11:20.11 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:20.16 | Enverex | So yeah, does anyone know if the .21 Debian kernel supports ext4? (seen as it's not =m/n/y in the config) |
| 11:20.17 | Guerin | Enverex: irrelevant. #debian on irc.debian.org is the official channel. |
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| 11:20.18 | jel | jelly-home: it's good, but very slow. Learn vim :) |
| 11:20.23 | HostilePenguin | ill say what i want when i want |
| 11:20.26 | jelly-home | Guerin: how can you tell there's no good one, then? |
| 11:20.35 | chemaja | waltercool, i also recommend Emacs |
| 11:20.36 | Guerin | Enverex: if it's not there, it's not supported |
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| 11:20.43 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: and furthermore .. if you don't like my comments .. you're welcome to /ignore |
| 11:20.44 | Dj_Vic | i wonder how long im banned from ubunu |
| 11:20.48 | Dj_Vic | theyre asssholes |
| 11:20.49 | Guerin | jelly-home: it's a joke, son. Laugh. |
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| 11:20.52 | waltercool | But emacs isnt a text editor? |
| 11:21.03 | jel | jelly-home: kdevelop is pretty great, if you want a modern ide |
| 11:21.06 | chemaja | waltercool, why can't you make servlets? You can do Java in Emacs |
| 11:21.20 | jelly-home | Guerin: it's not the first time I've misinterpreted your jokes, hm.. |
| 11:21.24 | HostilePenguin | goes both ways |
| 11:21.27 | chemaja | kdevelop looked impressive in the 5mins i spent clicking through its UI |
| 11:21.39 | waltercool | chemaja: Because idk how open servlets without a IDE xD |
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| 11:21.46 | chemaja | aah |
| 11:21.59 | chemaja | waltercool, perhaps learn to use before coding for them? :) |
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| 11:22.28 | Dj_Vic | microshaft winblows unprofessional |
| 11:22.33 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: so do it already |
| 11:22.34 | waltercool | chemaja: xDDD, i use netbeans for that... but netbeans need official JDK (close code) |
| 11:22.46 | chemaja | shrug |
| 11:22.47 | Guerin | Dj_Vic: could you not troll? Only I'm allowed to troll in here. |
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| 11:22.54 | Guerin | you're on my turf |
| 11:22.55 | Dj_Vic | ? |
| 11:22.58 | chemaja | astroturf |
| 11:22.59 | chemaja | :P |
| 11:23.01 | Dj_Vic | rofl |
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| 11:23.19 | Guerin | Dj_Vic: don't make me send my minions to collect rent from you |
| 11:23.28 | Dj_Vic | ? |
| 11:23.29 | Dj_Vic | dude |
| 11:23.32 | Dj_Vic | i dont get u |
| 11:23.37 | Guerin | clearly |
| 11:23.41 | abrotman | at least we know why he got banned |
| 11:24.05 | qrck | why ? |
| 11:24.08 | Dj_Vic | well #ubuntu can shove it up their ass |
| 11:24.15 | dromer | so, I'm trying to find the netinstall-iso for woody. anyone know where I might find it? :# |
| 11:24.22 | Enverex | Dj_Vic, What did you get banned for? |
| 11:24.27 | abrotman | dromer: why? |
| 11:24.33 | Dj_Vic | saying linux blows, i only said it cause i was bored |
| 11:24.34 | liable | dromer: archives.debian.org iirc |
| 11:24.44 | qrck | grabbin asses ? |
| 11:24.46 | abrotman | Dj_Vic: do you have a debian question ? |
| 11:24.55 | Enverex | abrotman, He's not even using Debian |
| 11:24.56 | Dj_Vic | well ubuntu is based on debian |
| 11:25.03 | Dj_Vic | and yes i do have debian |
| 11:25.04 | abrotman | it's NOT debian |
| 11:25.04 | dromer | abrotman: because I want to install it on an ancient laptop, and I know woody has been put on that type before succesfully (Toshiba T4900CT) |
| 11:25.05 | Guerin | yes |
| 11:25.05 | qrck | lol |
| 11:25.07 | HostilePenguin | dont you think if he wants it he knows why? |
| 11:25.09 | Guerin | and piss is based on beer |
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| 11:25.21 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: so tell him |
| 11:25.24 | Enverex | Guerin, Only if you drink beer |
| 11:25.25 | jel | It's debian enough that certain questions are better asked here than in ubuntu |
| 11:25.29 | Guerin | Enverex: given. |
| 11:25.33 | Dj_Vic | ha |
| 11:25.40 | Dj_Vic | im banned from #ubuntu |
| 11:25.41 | HostilePenguin | why do you question everything if he wants it just tell him where to get it |
| 11:25.52 | HostilePenguin | instead if trying to show him how smart you are |
| 11:26.05 | jelly-home | jel: not really, some debian answers might be wrong on Ubuntu |
| 11:26.08 | liable | stop feeding all the trolls |
| 11:26.18 | Dj_Vic | ok |
| 11:26.20 | chemaja | i think the reason people do the whole "Debian is NOT Ubuntu" thing in here is that Debian veterans prefer not to help people with their Ubuntu issues, not because the two systems are so different |
| 11:26.28 | Dj_Vic | omg |
| 11:26.32 | Dj_Vic | i dont have a question ok |
| 11:26.35 | abrotman | HostilePenguin: it's unsupported by security .. that's why i asked |
| 11:26.41 | Dj_Vic | i just wanna look at u assholes talk shit |
| 11:26.42 | Enverex | liable, You're kidding right? Bar the few people that occasionally come in here for help (which I've realised is pointless in this channel) everyone in here is a troll damn near |
| 11:26.46 | jel | jelly-home: hmm, possibly. More of the core stuff is the same though, if only because ubuntu is a recent fork |
| 11:26.51 | Guerin | chemaja: bollocks |
| 11:26.58 | Guerin | chemaja: it's because of the slippery slope |
| 11:27.01 | abrotman | dromer: the boot floppies are on archive.debian.org .. the actual ISOs are a bit harder to find |
| 11:27.10 | liable | Enverex: i believe we have already had this conversation |
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| 11:27.42 | Guerin | chemaja: there's three branches of debian and they're different enough. There's six more of ubuntu, and arch, linspire, xandros, knoppix, etc. |
| 11:27.54 | cobra306 | can anyone tell me where can i download the package csm for compiz ? |
| 11:27.55 | gordboy | Dj_Vic, i banned myself from #ubuntu. they have taken the definition of lameness to new and dizzy heights. but you are an obnoxious imbecile ... so welcome to your spiritual home :) |
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| 11:28.16 | Guerin | cobra306: google probably can |
| 11:28.18 | Dj_Vic | '=] |
| 11:28.29 | Danielss89 | can i use wget to get all images from a directory on the net? |
| 11:28.29 | cobra306 | no |
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| 11:28.44 | chemaja | Guerin, note that i also agree that Ubuntu users, refugees and outcasts shouldn't get help here.... was just stating an opinion |
| 11:28.49 | Guerin | Danielss89: it depends. If they're on a html page, sure. |
| 11:28.59 | Danielss89 | therye not Guerin.. |
| 11:28.59 | cobra306 | it isnt in the repos |
| 11:29.01 | dromer | abrotman: ok, hmm, I could do a bootfloppy-install .. where are they exactly? because I've been trying everything on that page |
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| 11:29.12 | Guerin | Danielss89: then no, unless you can guess the filenames. |
| 11:29.13 | abrotman | http://archive.debian.org/dists/Debian-3.0/main/disks-i386/3.0.23-2002-05-21/images-1.44/ |
| 11:29.25 | cobra306 | after installing compiz i try to start it and i get the error "csm" plugin must be loaded after "dbus" plugin |
| 11:29.27 | Danielss89 | its just numbers :D |
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| 11:29.32 | dromer | abrotman: wow thnx :) |
| 11:29.32 | cobra306 | couldnt load plugin dbus |
| 11:29.33 | Danielss89 | from 1 to 100.000 |
| 11:29.35 | cobra306 | but i have dbus installed |
| 11:29.39 | Guerin | Danielss89: happy days, then. |
| 11:29.46 | Danielss89 | :P |
| 11:29.50 | Dj_Vic | #ubuntu = cock heads |
| 11:29.50 | Guerin | Danielss89: well, that's a lot of images. |
| 11:29.56 | abrotman | dromer: and you probably want the bf2.4 directory under that .. and you need at least the root and boot images .. you may not need the driver-?.bin files |
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| 11:30.07 | chemaja | i wonder if there's an AIGLX extension that dynamically "darkens" (less hurt on the eyes) your UI |
| 11:30.16 | Guerin | Danielss89: stop trolling. I wanred you already. Don't make me send my head goon peterS around with his bat |
| 11:30.22 | jel | chemaja: that's called contrast :) |
| 11:30.31 | chemaja | jel, lol |
| 11:30.47 | Danielss89 | hehe guerin: its around 30.000 i think.. but it differs from jpg, bmp or gif.. |
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| 11:31.14 | HostilePenguin | DJ_vic how about taming the language just a smidge? |
| 11:31.15 | jel | chemaja: no, I'm serious. That's what the contrast option on your monitor is for. Turn it down if it's hurting :) |
| 11:31.17 | chemaja | i was looking for a greasemonkey script (for Epiphany) to make my web pages white on black -- but for the complete experience i'd have to change Gnome theme, XChat theme, etc.) -- would be nice to do it transparently |
| 11:31.27 | Dj_Vic | hostile how about shutting the fuck up |
| 11:31.31 | Dj_Vic | ? |
| 11:31.37 | Danielss89 | im moving webserver Guerin.. and it will take a long time to download all the images with ftp, and then upload them to the new server again.. |
| 11:31.39 | Guerin | chemaja: easy |
| 11:31.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 11:31.40 | Danielss89 | with ftp |
| 11:31.44 | Guerin | chemaja: just use evilwm! |
| 11:31.52 | dromer | abrotman: hmm, there are 4 driver.bin's and a rescue and a root.bin .. so I only need the last two probably ? |
| 11:32.01 | Guerin | Danielss89: oh, you can do them by ftp? |
| 11:32.02 | abrotman | dromer: in the bf2.4 directory ? |
| 11:32.03 | dromer | luckily I still have disks lying around :P |
| 11:32.12 | Danielss89 | yeah gye |
| 11:32.13 | dromer | abrotman: yes |
| 11:32.16 | Danielss89 | yeah Guerin |
| 11:32.19 | chemaja | Guerin, how does that help GTK+ and webpages from looking better |
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| 11:32.27 | chemaja | Guerin, ps. i've used it (briefly) |
| 11:32.32 | abrotman | dromer: you need at least the rescue and root .. you might be able to install without the driver bin files, which are extra drivers |
| 11:32.37 | Guerin | Danielss89: easy as pie, then. use lftp -e 'mirror ftp://something blah ninjas' |
| 11:32.44 | liable | nothing makes gtk look better |
| 11:32.45 | Guerin | chemaja: oh, gtk |
| 11:32.48 | Guerin | yeah, duh |
| 11:32.50 | abrotman | dromer: this laptop does have network right ? |
| 11:32.52 | chemaja | liable, lol |
| 11:32.59 | chemaja | liable, but i still like it, mm'k? :P |
| 11:33.01 | dromer | abrotman: a pcmcia-card (xircom) |
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| 11:33.05 | Guerin | chemaja: but the web pages can be inverted by that script?> |
| 11:33.05 | abrotman | dromer: what OS is on the laptop now ? |
| 11:33.15 | chemaja | Guerin, i recall something about it, yes |
| 11:33.26 | chemaja | yay! etch -> lenny done! now for lenny -> sid... |
| 11:33.26 | Danielss89 | lftp -e 'mirror ftp://potterskolen.dk/user/avatars/ username passwrod' <-- is that right Guerin |
| 11:33.31 | dromer | abrotman: atm nothing really, I've tried different distro's already |
| 11:33.36 | abrotman | dromer: ah ok |
| 11:33.39 | Guerin | Danielss89: i don't have the manpage memorised, so check it |
| 11:33.45 | abrotman | dromer: there's no CD drive on the laptop ? |
| 11:33.53 | dromer | I think it originally came with windows 3.11 :P but it had windows 95 until I formatted it |
| 11:33.56 | Guerin | Danielss89: butno, the user and pass come at the start |
| 11:33.58 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 11:34.05 | dromer | abrotman: no cd _and_ no floppy |
| 11:34.12 | Guerin | !rube goldberg install |
| 11:34.13 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 11:34.13 | Danielss89 | whats blah and ninjas then :D |
| 11:34.19 | Dj_Vic | echo |
| 11:34.21 | abrotman | dromer: so how are the boot floppies going to help ? |
| 11:34.23 | dromer | so I'll have to install using my desktop-pc .. then install a different kernel after that (probably) |
| 11:34.39 | Guerin | Danielss89: just the firast two things which came to mind. I don't know what you're trying to move. Suggest consulting the manual page |
| 11:34.46 | dromer | abrotman: I really want an iso of a netinstall, preferably woody (tried etch, much too bloathed :P) |
| 11:35.01 | Danielss89 | potterskolen:/var/www/web3/web/user/avatars# man lftp |
| 11:35.01 | Danielss89 | No manual entry for lftp |
| 11:35.09 | Guerin | !installit |
| 11:35.09 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 11:35.19 | abrotman | dromer: you can check all the CD mirrors .. but you're not likely to find it |
| 11:35.29 | Guerin | Danielss89: do you have ssh running on the new box? |
| 11:35.30 | Enverex | OR do the Ubuntu thing, install your package then release it as a new distribution! |
| 11:35.35 | abrotman | dromer: i've seen sarge still sitting on some of them .. but not woody in a long time |
| 11:35.35 | Danielss89 | yeah Guerin |
| 11:35.45 | dromer | abrotman: hmmm |
| 11:35.52 | jel | Enverex: hehheh :) |
| 11:35.59 | abrotman | dromer: though .. you might be able to use jigdo to create an ISO |
| 11:36.00 | Guerin | Danielss89: then use scp -r /foo newbox:/bar |
| 11:36.06 | chemaja | Enverex, not that i follow the situation too closely, but Ubuntu seems to be diverging more and more from Debian |
| 11:36.19 | Guerin | Danielss89: but hey, there's a hard way to do everything |
| 11:36.23 | abrotman | oh wait .. you'd have to find the damn jigdo templates first |
| 11:36.33 | Enverex | chemaja, It's more people doing retarded things. "Installed MySQL by default? Get MySQLBuntu!" ugh |
| 11:36.33 | Danielss89 | :D |
| 11:36.39 | dromer | !jigdo |
| 11:36.39 | dpkg | hmm... jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 11:36.40 | chemaja | lol |
| 11:36.57 | Guerin | abrotman: i found one with hamm on it a few months ago |
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| 11:37.06 | abrotman | Guerin: do you remember where ? |
| 11:37.28 | Guerin | abrotman: no, I'm looking now |
| 11:37.39 | gordboy | debian takes itself too seriously, at times. well nearly all the time. there was an anthropologist speaker (you just can't make this stuff up) at debconf the other day. there were several undisguised sniggers from the assembled devotees, and i had to be helped to my feet after collapsing in a paroxysm of uncontrollable mirth |
| 11:37.51 | abrotman | hehe ..i might even have woody CDs laying someone in a box |
| 11:38.05 | dromer | abrotman: !!!! go get them! :P |
| 11:38.18 | abrotman | dromer: and do what with them ? |
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| 11:38.48 | abrotman | i foudn sarge again ... |
| 11:39.01 | dromer | haha |
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| 11:39.17 | dromer | make an iso out of it .. and mirror iton yer server ;) |
| 11:39.20 | Dj_Vic | does anyone know of a good proxy list? |
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| 11:39.58 | abrotman | Dj_Vic: ban evasion is grounds for a k-line |
| 11:39.59 | jel | Dj_Vic: http proxy? |
| 11:40.03 | Guerin | dromer: http://www.fifi.org/services/mirrors/ has torrents and jigdo files |
| 11:40.16 | Dj_Vic | yeah |
| 11:40.19 | dromer | Guerin: thnx |
| 11:40.26 | Dj_Vic | i need one for mirc |
| 11:40.34 | Guerin | or so it claims |
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| 11:40.51 | jel | Dj_Vic: what are you trying to do? There are many proxies, with different purposes. |
| 11:41.02 | Dj_Vic | trying to get into an irc room |
| 11:41.05 | Dj_Vic | got banned |
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| 11:41.10 | xand | !room |
| 11:41.11 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 11:41.19 | chemaja | forgive the i-could-eventually-figure-it-out question: i'm doing dist-upgrade from lenny to sid, and aptitude deps aren't satisfied. would it be a bad idea to put aptitude on hold for the dist-upgrade? |
| 11:41.22 | Guerin | hm, no, only etch |
| 11:41.23 | zamuro | dpkg: kiss me |
| 11:41.25 | xand | abrotman: roflcopters |
| 11:41.25 | Dj_Vic | yeah same difference |
| 11:41.26 | jel | Dj_Vic: ahh. Well, in that case, you should apologise, and ask them to unban you. |
| 11:41.32 | abrotman | http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-cd/jigdo/3.0_r3-cd/i386/ |
| 11:41.34 | Dj_Vic | how? |
| 11:41.45 | Guerin | chemaja: just uninstall it, proceed with the install, and reinstall later |
| 11:41.47 | abrotman | dromer: you'd have to learn a bit about the jigdo format and probably edit those to work correctly |
| 11:41.52 | jel | msg the person who kicked you, I guess? |
| 11:41.59 | Dj_Vic | i dont know the person |
| 11:42.03 | chemaja | Guerin, but i want to use `aptitude dist-upgrade' (not apt-get) |
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| 11:42.16 | xand | Dj_Vic: go ask somewhere else |
| 11:42.17 | jel | I dunno, I'm not very experienced with being an outlaw :) |
| 11:42.18 | Guerin | chemaja: aptitude won't work across a libc upgrade |
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| 11:42.30 | Dj_Vic | lol |
| 11:42.59 | chemaja | Guerin, damn. i seem to recall reading in debian documentation that aptitude was the recommended upgrade tool (obviously not for lenny -> sid, doco probably was just talking about Stable) |
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| 11:43.08 | abrotman | dromer: even better http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/3.0_r6/i386/ |
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| 11:43.15 | Guerin | chemaja: it is. |
| 11:43.19 | abrotman | Guerin: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/2.2_r7/i386/ |
| 11:43.21 | abrotman | Guerin: right ? |
| 11:43.31 | liable_ | chemaja: aptitude is currently broken in sid. missing depends.. |
| 11:43.32 | Guerin | abrotman: something like that |
| 11:43.53 | Guerin | we love sid, and sid loves us |
| 11:43.56 | Guerin | in his own way |
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| 11:44.02 | dromer | abrotman: ahh yeah, I think I've seen that one before .. but .. which one do I need for the netinstall? the _NONUS.iso ? |
| 11:44.24 | abrotman | dromer: that's probably the one you want |
| 11:44.29 | dromer | :) |
| 11:44.29 | zamuro | dromer: the ~120mb file, I guess. |
| 11:44.31 | dromer | thnx :) |
| 11:44.36 | xand | !debootstrap |
| 11:44.36 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 11:44.44 | abrotman | zamuro: he's trying to install woody |
| 11:44.50 | dromer | zamuro: I don't see a ~120mb file there |
| 11:44.53 | zamuro | Woody?! |
| 11:44.55 | dromer | yes |
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| 11:45.06 | abrotman | dromer: what are the specs on the brick ? |
| 11:45.24 | zamuro | Oh, OK. Got a lil dinasaur there, eh? |
| 11:45.25 | geo-rge | so at the point that libc is upgraded, does the system upgrade aptitude and transfer the responsibility to the new aptitude? or does the old aptitude keep running (and therefore there might be two libcs (old and new) in ram at the same time for parts of the upgrade? |
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| 11:45.25 | dromer | abrotman: hehehe, 75mhz, 16mb |
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| 11:45.41 | abrotman | dromer: ah .. that sucks :) |
| 11:45.41 | dromer | abrotman: got a 6gb disk for it (instead of the 800mb one) |
| 11:45.54 | mike | true grunt |
| 11:45.57 | dromer | yeah, it's very old :P |
| 11:46.06 | zamuro | hahahahahaha |
| 11:46.18 | chemaja | so now i'm planning to forsake my beautiful tracked auto deps. do people in sidland just use that apt "cruft" tool to clean up (say removing all KDE packages from your system, as could mostly be done by aptitude) |
| 11:46.21 | mike | sola powered hehe |
| 11:46.25 | abrotman | dromer: you thought about upgrading your laptop ? :) |
| 11:46.41 | chemaja | geo-rge, i seee |
| 11:46.57 | geo-rge | that was actually a question :) |
| 11:46.58 | dromer | abrotman: haha, not sure how I could ... the ram can't go up that much .. I think until 24mb or something .. but .. it has been done .. and thus I shall do it also ;) |
| 11:47.20 | abrotman | dromer: you could sell lemonade and get money for a new one :) |
| 11:47.39 | jel | chemaja: command line wildcards, or just searching in aptitude, and unselecting a bunch, hitting next, unselecting a bunch usually covers it. |
| 11:47.41 | geo-rge | chemaja: if aptitude just keeps running, the old libc just stays in ram |
| 11:48.20 | dromer | abrotman: :P I want to get this one working .. so I can have a terminal near my bed, or near the campfire to contro the music etc. .. lots of use for old hardware :D |
| 11:48.22 | geo-rge | what are you planning to upgrade to? |
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| 11:48.28 | chemaja | i wonder what happens when you try and use aptitude to remove aptitude ... |
| 11:48.31 | abrotman | dromer: i suppose |
| 11:49.00 | Guerin | chemaja: see if there's anything in incoming |
| 11:49.13 | chemaja | Guerin, eh? for what? |
| 11:49.22 | Guerin | chemaja: the missing deps may be in incoming |
| 11:49.29 | Guerin | p.d.o/incoming |
| 11:49.31 | chemaja | aaah |
| 11:49.42 | chemaja | what, so wget them and dpkg -i them? |
| 11:49.49 | Guerin | chemaja: potentially |
| 11:49.50 | chemaja | (if they exist) |
| 11:49.51 | chemaja | k |
| 11:50.00 | Guerin | this is Not For The Faint Hearted |
| 11:50.11 | chemaja | what about the Lazy Hearted |
| 11:50.12 | chemaja | :P |
| 11:50.15 | Guerin | (and there'll be a bunch of other stuff in there you don't want) |
| 11:50.23 | geo-rge | or the lazy farted? |
| 11:50.23 | Guerin | not realyl for the lazy hearted, either |
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| 11:51.03 | geo-rge | chemaja: what are you upgrading to? |
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| 11:51.10 | chemaja | etch -> lenny -> sid |
| 11:51.12 | chemaja | i'm on lenny |
| 11:51.56 | geo-rge | I guess you were already warned about sid breakage |
| 11:52.04 | Guerin | some years ago |
| 11:52.44 | geo-rge | alternatively/additionally I guess you've made full backups of your system and plan to make periodic backups in the future |
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| 11:53.44 | chemaja | geo-rge, i know that sid breaks. i dont have backups (there's nothing important on this box) |
| 11:54.15 | geo-rge | and so if you ask about some serious problem that sid will have caused, and when I ask you say you have no backups, I can point and laugh? :) |
| 11:54.27 | Guerin | that goes without saying |
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| 11:54.52 | geo-rge | well ok, if that's a spare box... |
| 11:54.59 | geo-rge | that shouldn't be a problem |
| 11:55.15 | geo-rge | so why not just try aptitude? :) |
| 11:55.35 | geo-rge | after all, you're taking every other possible risk :) |
| 11:55.42 | chemaja | geo-rge, same reason i dont try and pull in stuff from incoming |
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| 11:55.44 | Guerin | hey, my advice was pretty bad, but at least it had a *remote* chance of working |
| 11:55.46 | liable_ | hrm, they do |
| 11:56.38 | geo-rge | Guerin: did you see my longish question a few mins ago? |
| 11:56.40 | Guerin | not via sarge |
| 11:56.44 | Guerin | just in one go |
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| 11:57.27 | Guerin | geo-rge: the latter case, as I understand. So in principle it could work. |
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| 11:58.07 | geo-rge | so aptitude and an old copy of libc stays in ram |
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| 11:59.32 | Guerin | geo-rge: those bits of it which are required, I guess. |
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| 12:01.07 | geo-rge | and what about apt-get? isn't there the same issue? |
| 12:01.23 | abrotman | i wouldn't call it an issue |
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| 12:01.48 | geo-rge | I'm not saying that becasue it's an issue it's bad |
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| 12:02.54 | Dj_Vic | damn #ubuntu is full of cock heads |
| 12:03.11 | Dj_Vic | how long do they ban for? |
| 12:03.18 | Enverex | FOREVAR |
| 12:03.20 | abrotman | Dj_Vic: don't ask us .. ask them |
| 12:03.29 | Dj_Vic | i cant ask |
| 12:03.30 | Enverex | He can't, he's banned : |
| 12:03.32 | Enverex | :P |
| 12:03.35 | Dj_Vic | im banned |
| 12:03.37 | abrotman | Dj_Vic: you can msg the op that banned you |
| 12:03.45 | geo-rge | I mean come on... we've seen debian upgrade itself over the libc4 - libc5 change (which also involved a.out - elf bin format change) |
| 12:03.48 | Dj_Vic | i dunno the op name? |
| 12:03.49 | wols | when did you annoy them? |
| 12:03.51 | abrotman | asking us will do absolutely no good |
| 12:03.55 | Dj_Vic | last night |
| 12:03.59 | Guerin | wityh a 'tude like that I'm not surprised they banned you |
| 12:04.06 | xand | indeed |
| 12:04.06 | geo-rge | how did you annoy them? |
| 12:04.13 | Dj_Vic | i said linux blows |
| 12:04.14 | Dj_Vic | haha |
| 12:04.19 | abrotman | Dj_Vic: /mode #ubuntu +b .. find your name .. it'll say the op |
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| 12:04.31 | Dj_Vic | k thanks |
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| 12:04.53 | chemaja | Dj_Vic, next time say GNU blows, see how that goes down |
| 12:05.01 | abrotman | it was hobbsee |
| 12:05.18 | geo-rge | or gnus blow goats |
| 12:05.31 | Enverex | Erm, you're probably banned due to your n= too |
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| 12:05.59 | geo-rge | n= just means no ident, right? |
| 12:06.06 | Gurpartap | What to use to convert sample rate(and/or bitrate) of an MP3 file? |
| 12:06.14 | Enverex | Yeah |
| 12:06.15 | Enverex | * #ubuntu Banlist: Thu May 24 07:07:06 *!*fuck*@*!#ubuntu-ops ballard.freenode.net |
| 12:06.17 | wols | Gurpartap: ask #ubuntu |
| 12:06.21 | Enverex | That would catch him |
| 12:06.21 | Gurpartap | ok thanks |
| 12:06.31 | Guerin | geo-rge: you don't, unless you want to drastrically reduce the quality |
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| 12:06.40 | Enverex | Dj_Vic, You're banned because you're using a moronic ident name |
| 12:06.55 | Dj_Vic | didnt work '=[ |
| 12:06.57 | Dj_Vic | lol i was only kidding when i said linux blows |
| 12:06.59 | Dj_Vic | lol oh fucku |
| 12:07.01 | Dj_Vic | ? |
| 12:07.05 | Dj_Vic | LOL |
| 12:07.10 | xand | sigh |
| 12:07.18 | Dj_Vic | ROFL |
| 12:07.23 | xand | shut up. |
| 12:07.28 | abrotman | Dj_Vic: stop telling us .. we can't do anything about it .. either ask a question related to debian or be quiet |
| 12:07.29 | Guerin | die |
| 12:07.29 | Dj_Vic | roflmao |
| 12:07.33 | Guerin | in a fire |
| 12:07.42 | Enverex | No idea why they banned him, he seems to be a generic Ubuntu user... |
| 12:07.49 | Guerin | <heh> |
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| 12:08.22 | geo-rge | maybe they didn't ban him specifically... he came as not-fuck before and changed his ident maybe |
| 12:08.32 | chemaja | maybe Ubuntu just drives people to subtle insanity |
| 12:08.34 | *** join/#debian jonathansizz (n=ian@216.16.222.80.dyn-cm-pool50.pool.hargray.net) |
| 12:08.38 | Dj_Vic | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:08.40 | Dj_Vic | whats that mean? |
| 12:08.43 | Guerin | chemaja: not very subtle, in this case |
| 12:08.46 | abrotman | they banned his IP .. he could just try to reset his cable modem |
| 12:08.50 | chemaja | blatant insanity, lol |
| 12:08.51 | abrotman | Dj_Vic: ASK THEM |
| 12:08.55 | xand | !ops Dj_Vic constant offtopic rubbish |
| 12:08.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: Dj_Vic constant offtopic rubbish |
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| 12:09.09 | Dj_Vic | LOL |
| 12:09.28 | Dj_Vic | reseting my modem will not reset my ip |
| 12:09.40 | abrotman | at least it will get you out of here |
| 12:09.40 | geo-rge | abrotman: which would constitute purposefully avoiding the ban... |
| 12:09.43 | Guerin | Dj_Vic: then you're fucked. Now off you fuck. |
| 12:09.51 | cahoot | unfair to any OS to make it responsible for a persons immature behaviour |
| 12:09.52 | Dj_Vic | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.58 | abrotman | Dj_Vic: STOP |
| 12:09.58 | Dj_Vic | thu may 24 |
| 12:10.00 | Dj_Vic | ? |
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| 12:10.13 | abrotman | geo-rge: perhaps .. but he'd stop bothering us |
| 12:10.18 | Dj_Vic | does that mean i get unbanned on the 24 |
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| 12:10.27 | Guerin | Dj_Vic: yes. Next year. |
| 12:10.28 | xand | Dj_Vic: go to #ubuntu-ops and leave here |
| 12:10.36 | Enverex | Dj_ToNy, That means people with "fuck" in their name are banned |
| 12:10.39 | Enverex | ARGH |
| 12:10.42 | abrotman | or #ubuntu-offtopic |
| 12:10.47 | Dj_Vic | xand and all, you can all shove a big one up your asses |
| 12:11.03 | Guerin | Dj_Vic: a big one of what? |
| 12:11.07 | geo-rge | see now we know why you tend to get banned :) |
| 12:11.11 | busfahrer | Don't hate :-) |
| 12:11.13 | Dj_Vic | '=]] |
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| 12:11.20 | abrotman | busfahrer: don't be a tard? |
| 12:11.22 | Dj_Vic | guerin dont ask stupid questions |
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| 12:11.44 | Guerin | Dj_Vic: kettle, this is pot, do you read? |
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| 12:12.02 | Dj_Vic | dude |
| 12:12.05 | Dj_Vic | your a geek |
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| 12:12.06 | Dj_Vic | rofl |
| 12:12.08 | abrotman | you're |
| 12:12.13 | Enverex | Dj_Vic, and so are you, dumbass |
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| 12:12.19 | geo-rge | what do you expect? :) |
| 12:12.21 | Guerin | Dj_Vic: yes, and you're a fucknuckle. |
| 12:12.23 | Dj_Vic | rofl |
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| 12:12.28 | Dj_Vic | fucknuckle |
| 12:12.29 | Dj_Vic | rofl |
| 12:12.30 | Dj_Vic | !!!! |
| 12:12.31 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 12:12.37 | abrotman | !tell Dj_Vic about enter |
| 12:12.38 | geo-rge | this is a geek channel... no offense or anything... |
| 12:12.42 | Dj_Vic | !!!!!! |
| 12:12.43 | dpkg | from memory, !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 12:12.48 | xand | sigh |
| 12:12.50 | Enverex | !ops Time to stop sleeping on the job |
| 12:12.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: enverex complains about: Time to stop sleeping on the job |
| 12:12.55 | abrotman | Dj_Vic: try #ubuntu-offtopic |
| 12:13.01 | xand | stop feeding the troll |
| 12:13.05 | Guerin | Enverex: good luck. It's dark side of the moon time in opland. |
| 12:13.11 | Greyscale_ | quick, quick, really important question: Do I get pizza or chinese? |
| 12:13.16 | xand | Greyscale_: pizza. |
| 12:13.17 | Guerin | xand: we tried starving him before, didn't work. |
| 12:13.20 | wols | spizza |
| 12:13.22 | abrotman | chinese! |
| 12:13.22 | Guerin | Greyscale_: chinese |
| 12:13.23 | chemaja | Greyscale_, chinese if you're a fatty |
| 12:13.23 | busfahrer | Greyscale_: Chinese |
| 12:13.31 | xand | ok, I'll have the pizza. |
| 12:13.32 | Enverex | Pizza |
| 12:13.35 | Greyscale_ | chemaja, I'm fat |
| 12:13.41 | Guerin | definitely chinese |
| 12:13.42 | Greyscale_ | so chinese wins |
| 12:13.45 | Greyscale_ | back in a bit. |
| 12:13.59 | chemaja | just dont order anything deep fried! |
| 12:14.09 | Guerin | chinese food *has* to be fatty, it's the only thing which keeps a skinny chinaman alive through a freezing winter |
| 12:14.22 | geo-rge | you can order deep things, just not deep fried |
| 12:14.27 | wols | what about Mrs. Chinaman? |
| 12:14.33 | wols | what about tropic China? |
| 12:14.34 | Guerin | wols: her too. |
| 12:14.43 | Guerin | wols: food's not so fatty down there. |
| 12:14.48 | chemaja | the chinaman is skinny due to good genetics and/or hard work |
| 12:14.58 | chemaja | authentic chinese food is pretty healthy |
| 12:15.08 | Guerin | chemaja: not at all. China has more obese people than any other country in the world. |
| 12:15.21 | chemaja | is this a recent phenomenon? |
| 12:15.22 | xand | s/obese// |
| 12:15.27 | samesame | shouldnt this be discussed in #debian-offtopic ? |
| 12:15.27 | geo-rge | chinese food versus thai food, I think the thai is somewhat less fattening depending on what you get of each |
| 12:15.36 | cahoot | china has more people overall |
| 12:15.38 | busfahrer | China also has more non-obese people than any other country in the world. |
| 12:15.40 | Dj_Vic | douchebags |
| 12:15.41 | Dj_Vic | cuntrags |
| 12:15.43 | Guerin | chemaja: not really. Everyday, peasant food - sure. But not the haute cuisine. |
| 12:15.44 | abrotman | Guerin: maybe because they're the most populous country? |
| 12:15.52 | Guerin | abrotman: just maybe. |
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| 12:16.05 | Guerin | busfahrer: heh. |
| 12:16.11 | busfahrer | ;-) |
| 12:16.20 | Guerin | samesame: no. |
| 12:16.29 | Guerin | chemaja: sharpen up. |
| 12:16.30 | Greyscale_ | Guerin, I'd like to see the statistic for that |
| 12:16.32 | geo-rge | Dj_Vic: at least I'd be closer to pussy :) |
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| 12:16.39 | Guerin | Greyscale_: good luck, I just made it up. |
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| 12:16.43 | Dj_Vic | lol george dude |
| 12:16.50 | Guerin | Greyscale_: only two people fell for it. |
| 12:16.50 | Greyscale_ | Guerin, I figured :P |
| 12:16.54 | chemaja | Guerin, i chose to be quiet :) |
| 12:16.54 | Dj_Vic | i get more pussy than you ever will in your lifetime |
| 12:16.58 | Greyscale_ | Noone can be fatter than the yanks. |
| 12:17.05 | chemaja | aussies are getting there |
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| 12:17.16 | chemaja | but given our dickhead leaders try to emulate them... |
| 12:17.17 | chemaja | meh |
| 12:17.26 | Liquinn | ? |
| 12:17.28 | cammoblammo | Greyscale_: Actually, I think the Tongans are statistically most obese. |
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| 12:17.32 | geo-rge | ! |
| 12:17.36 | Greyscale_ | cammoblammo, hmm? |
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| 12:17.48 | XtypeWriter74 | is the debian.exe a part of the debian project ( http://goodbye-microsoft.com ) ? |
| 12:17.51 | Greyscale_ | I've never seen #debian so off topic :P |
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| 12:17.56 | chemaja | cammoblammo, i think i saw a doco on this... they'd eat all this canned, high fat meat right? |
| 12:17.59 | chemaja | and pig |
| 12:18.09 | Guerin | cammoblammo: Big Man culture. Throughout the pacific, and much of Africa. See a trend? Places where food sources are historically marginal. |
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| 12:18.31 | amphi | Guerin: aye |
| 12:18.33 | Guerin | XtypeWriter74: no, it's a debian dev's personal thing |
| 12:18.34 | cammoblammo | AFAIK it's the pig. I remember a few years ago the King orderd the entire country on a diet. |
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| 12:18.58 | Guerin | cammoblammo: the reasons are cultural. |
| 12:19.02 | Greyscale_ | What the hell is debian.exe? |
| 12:19.16 | Guerin | cammoblammo: there's plenty of healthy food in the Islands, it's just not prestigious. |
| 12:19.19 | geo-rge | a possible name for a file? |
| 12:19.23 | Guerin | Greyscale_: something you can google. |
| 12:19.33 | XtypeWriter74 | i just heard about it and looked up the homepage, thats what i also want to find out |
| 12:19.46 | Guerin | XtypeWriter74: it apparently works quite well. |
| 12:19.57 | Guerin | (but is not supported in here) |
| 12:19.57 | Greyscale_ | looks like a diskless way of putting debian on a windows machine |
| 12:20.03 | sorin | hello |
| 12:20.09 | geo-rge | or medialess |
| 12:20.10 | abrotman | from goodbyewindows.com or whatever it is |
| 12:20.16 | Guerin | !greet sorin |
| 12:20.17 | dpkg | Nihao, sorin |
| 12:20.25 | cammoblammo | Guerin: That's all true. It's seems to be the cultural norm for the men to sit round eating pig all day while the women do the work. |
| 12:20.26 | Greyscale_ | chinese will be here in 5. |
| 12:20.41 | Guerin | cammoblammo: careful with those cultural norms. |
| 12:20.44 | geo-rge | shoulda went for thai... |
| 12:20.53 | cammoblammo | Of course, it's been a while since I talked to a Tongan, so that could have changed. |
| 12:20.54 | Greyscale_ | I'll cook half a pizza for dinner tonight |
| 12:21.02 | abrotman | half a pizza?! |
| 12:21.03 | XtypeWriter74 | I love Pickeled Pigfeet |
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| 12:21.20 | Greyscale_ | abrotman, I'm not THAT fat. |
| 12:21.22 | sorin | How can I get drivers for my graphic card for linux (Sis 650/740 VGA)? |
| 12:21.25 | cammoblammo | Guerin: Just because somebody elses cultural norms don't match ours doesn't mean it's wrong to point them out. |
| 12:21.32 | Greyscale_ | geo-rge, its based on where I have the telephone for |
| 12:21.47 | Greyscale_ | eigther deliverd chinese or pizza |
| 12:21.57 | Guerin | cammoblammo: absolutely. But you need to be careful that you're not just going with the `coconuts are lazy and fat' stereotype |
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| 12:23.09 | geo-rge | if the chinese will be there in 5, that' |
| 12:23.13 | geo-rge | s not bad |
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| 12:23.26 | Guerin | Greyscale_: not long time. |
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| 12:24.09 | Greyscale_ | geo-rge, yeah, the local chinese is literally up the road |
| 12:24.15 | Greyscale_ | they're fast too around lunch time |
| 12:24.35 | abrotman | row! |
| 12:24.36 | xand | !seen ferret |
| 12:24.36 | dpkg | ferret is currently on #debian, last said: 'echo fee $N'. |
| 12:24.36 | chemaja | time to finish this upgrade at the tty1 |
| 12:24.37 | dromer | hmm, debootstrap sounds really handy btw, then you can, for instance, mount a disk over usb, install to a partition .. and then take the disk out again, without the need of rebooting \o/ |
| 12:24.42 | xand | hm |
| 12:25.13 | cammoblammo | Guerin: Agreed. That was told me by a Tongan (a while ago) when I asked him about the story of the national diet. He never viewed sitting down eating as lazy --- spending time eating and talking with others is considered the stuff of life, not to be interfered with by work. |
| 12:25.16 | Guerin | cammoblammo: right, exactly. |
| 12:25.38 | Guerin | in a way it IS work, since their primary job is politics |
| 12:26.36 | Greyscale_ | door, brb |
| 12:27.39 | geo-rge | all we saw was that he quit irc |
| 12:27.54 | Guerin | thank you, captain obvious |
| 12:28.10 | geo-rge | I'm just saying he didn';t necessarily log out |
| 12:28.28 | cammoblammo | Maybe he wants his visitors think he's surfing porn and not hanging around #debian |
| 12:28.33 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:28.43 | cammoblammo | After all, that can be embarrassing. |
| 12:28.49 | Guerin | the shaaame |
| 12:29.00 | abrotman | what's that ? |
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| 12:29.09 | cammoblammo | I swear mum, I am doing manly things! |
| 12:29.12 | chemaja | man it sucks forgetting your nickserv pass |
| 12:29.21 | Guerin | abrotman: what you're supposed to feel when you get cake on your butt |
| 12:29.36 | abrotman | Guerin: so it's kind of like drunk? :) |
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| 12:29.49 | Guerin | abrotman: no, it's kind of like post-drunk |
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| 12:30.04 | Guerin | when you need to be informed of your actions the previous evening |
| 12:30.16 | Greyscale | mmm chinese |
| 12:30.20 | abrotman | Guerin: no .. i did the stupid stuff intentionally :) |
| 12:30.22 | chemaja | that's bad-drunk |
| 12:30.23 | xand | Greyscale: you need to quit to answer hte door? :P |
| 12:30.30 | Guerin | so, let me get this straight ... I had an umbrella hat, and cake on my butt? |
| 12:30.34 | Greyscale | moving ethernet |
| 12:30.39 | Guerin | how come nobody told me!? |
| 12:30.39 | Greyscale | so I quit so I wouldn't ping |
| 12:30.44 | abrotman | Guerin: i was sober for the umbrella hat |
| 12:30.52 | Guerin | abrotman: FOR SHAME! |
| 12:31.02 | abrotman | Guerin: oh crap .. i should take that with me today!!! |
| 12:31.12 | Guerin | abrotman: are you going to NYC? |
| 12:31.16 | abrotman | i believe so |
| 12:31.17 | cammoblammo | Who sat on the cake? |
| 12:31.27 | abrotman | cammoblammo: i didn't .. but i got cake on my ass |
| 12:31.35 | Greyscale | This is getting random.. |
| 12:31.40 | Guerin | the stuff of legend |
| 12:31.45 | abrotman | cammoblammo: i walked by the cake table at a wedding .. and got icing on my ass |
| 12:31.58 | chemaja | CakeButt is NOT Debian |
| 12:31.59 | cammoblammo | Greyscale: Maybe you shouldn't go answering the door like that! |
| 12:32.01 | chemaja | please join #cakebutt |
| 12:32.03 | chemaja | :P |
| 12:32.15 | abrotman | cammoblammo: sadly .. it was chocolate-ish icing |
| 12:32.16 | xand | is that your channel? |
| 12:32.18 | Guerin | abrotman: the happy couple's wedding night was tainted by your ass! |
| 12:32.29 | chemaja | xand: yea i'm trying to get the numbers up |
| 12:32.34 | cammoblammo | Are you sure it was chocolate? |
| 12:32.34 | abrotman | Guerin: they got divorced like three years later :) |
| 12:32.41 | Guerin | abrotman: it's all your fault! |
| 12:33.06 | abrotman | Guerin: yeah .. i probably shouldn't have been trying to jokingly seduce the bride right before the wedding |
| 12:33.14 | Guerin | ... |
| 12:33.17 | abrotman | :) |
| 12:33.19 | cammoblammo | abrotman: Better than after... |
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| 12:33.26 | Greyscale | bbiab |
| 12:33.34 | abrotman | moving to the bathroom ? |
| 12:33.36 | ajs | Does anybody know what's up with libcurl3 vs libcurl4 in unstable right now? |
| 12:33.48 | Guerin | in fairness, at my wedding deb had to present my best man with 12 beers that she bet him the first night we got together that she wouldn't end up marrying me |
| 12:33.51 | abrotman | they're broken ? |
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| 12:34.01 | Guerin | good old rueben, he had faith ... |
| 12:34.05 | abrotman | heheh |
| 12:34.40 | abrotman | chemaja: maybe you should ask ajs why his libcurl is broken |
| 12:34.41 | chemaja | go apt-get go! |
| 12:34.47 | abrotman | use aptitude damn you |
| 12:34.57 | chemaja | abrotman: i uninstalled it remember |
| 12:35.07 | chemaja | too-lazy-to-check-incoming, etc. |
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| 12:35.13 | abrotman | ok |
| 12:35.22 | cammoblammo | What's up with aptitude at the moment? I nearly lost it as well. |
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| 12:35.56 | ajs | The problem seems to be libcurl4-gnutls because it can't be installed with libcurl3-gnutls.. |
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| 12:36.27 | abrotman | ajs: that makes sense |
| 12:37.12 | ajs | okay but what doesn't make sense are that some packages need libcurl3-gnutls and others libcurl4-gnutls, so you can't have both sets installed simultaneously. |
| 12:37.39 | geo-rge | by the way, why can't they both be installed? |
| 12:38.05 | geo-rge | conflicts? |
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| 12:43.56 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 12:43.56 | dpkg | methinks qotd102 is <]BdS[DrDefrag> i want to overclock my proliant dl580 g2 to compile the 2.6 kernel more quickly. any recommendations ? |
| 12:44.29 | dsmith | i810 xserver on Etch. aterm,xterm,rxvt have a horrible "ripping" of the term window. Highlightig with a mouse looks good until the highlight goes away. Doesn't happen with eterm or gnome-termial. Doesn't happen the vesa xserver. Nothing in bts. Any suggestions? |
| 12:44.38 | chemaja | liboobs, heh |
| 12:45.32 | ikaro | :> |
| 12:46.15 | geo-rge | dsmith: do all these terms have the same background color? |
| 12:46.15 | aung | hi I am sorry if this is a stupid question, but how do I get multiple instances of xterm from one docked icon in wmaker? |
| 12:46.44 | nvz | haha |
| 12:46.47 | dsmith | geo-rge: Hmm. Myaybe (black) |
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| 12:46.54 | nvz | First of all there are no stupid questions, only stupid people.. |
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| 12:47.14 | geo-rge | dsmith: what happens when (for example) you look at anything that's black? |
| 12:47.17 | nvz | Secondly, who the hell uses wmaker these days |
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| 12:47.23 | aung | I do. |
| 12:47.24 | geo-rge | like a web page |
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| 12:47.38 | blinx | hey |
| 12:47.45 | nvz | !pal aung for using wmaker |
| 12:47.52 | blinx | I want to install debian etch on my xen instance |
| 12:48.00 | blinx | but there is ubuntu on it |
| 12:48.08 | blinx | and I have to do it with a debootstrap |
| 12:48.09 | dsmith | geo-rge: It's like redraw issue. It only happens when output happens fast, like watching tcpdump, or ls of /usr/bin |
| 12:48.09 | nvz | then again I use an old ass wm myself |
| 12:48.22 | nvz | but at least its more featureful than wmaker |
| 12:48.32 | blinx | I read a lot of things I found with google but I'm not sure what I have to do |
| 12:48.49 | geo-rge | so it's not a bad-video-sync issue |
| 12:48.55 | aung | I used ion3 in the past until it got removed from etch repositories. |
| 12:49.01 | nvz | eh? |
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| 12:49.08 | nvz | !info ion3 etch |
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| 12:49.18 | nvz | !info ion etch |
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| 12:49.29 | nvz | wtf |
| 12:49.30 | dsmith | geo-rge: Slow output looks fine. The corruptions stays with iconfying. MOving another window around over the term increeases the corruption. |
| 12:49.33 | nvz | when did that happen |
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| 12:49.48 | aung | like a month after etch came out |
| 12:49.50 | blinx | first I have to format a partition, right? |
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| 12:50.35 | dsmith | I'm guessing it desn't happen to eterm because it uses imlib for font rendering. |
| 12:50.37 | geo-rge | blinx: if I were you, I'd try to back up what you have first |
| 12:50.41 | nvz | aung: that can't be.. unless you mean after it became testing |
| 12:50.51 | blinx | geo-rge: already done |
| 12:51.02 | nvz | they don't just remove packages from a stable dist |
| 12:51.04 | blinx | geo-rge: all important things are back upped |
| 12:51.06 | abrotman | aung: i thought it got renamed ? |
| 12:51.13 | Papiertiger | i installed xkbevd and x11-xkb-utils for some testing purpose and now ( even after purging them) i can't switch from Xorg to tty, irssi doesn't recognize alt+number anymore. How can i get the old state back? |
| 12:51.20 | geo-rge | maybe you can restore your /home/you dir after you switch |
| 12:51.32 | nvz | abrotman: I'm only seeing ion2 in etch doing a apt-cache search |
| 12:51.41 | blinx | ok |
| 12:51.44 | geo-rge | but yeah, you would need some partitions |
| 12:51.48 | blinx | geo-rge: what I have to do next? |
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| 12:52.04 | geo-rge | you want to -wipe- everything? |
| 12:52.05 | dsmith | geo-rge: I can't see the machine right now, it's at work. What's with black? |
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| 12:52.23 | abrotman | nvz: i know ion3 isn't in etch .. but i thought in testing/unstable it got renamed |
| 12:52.25 | blinx | geo-rge: no, I only want to have a debian system instead of u* |
| 12:52.27 | geo-rge | no idea, I was thinking it was some video issue |
| 12:52.44 | nvz | !info ion3 |
| 12:52.47 | dpkg | ion3: (keyboard-friendly window manager with tiled windows), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 20070506-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1588 kB, Installed size: 4016 kB |
| 12:53.00 | aung | abrotman its still called ion3 in sid |
| 12:53.13 | geo-rge | so maybe it had bugs |
| 12:53.25 | hark | just pushed to non-free :) |
| 12:53.30 | abrotman | aung: you could just backport it ? |
| 12:53.56 | blinx | geo-rge: can you help me to do the debootstrap, please? |
| 12:53.56 | geo-rge | dsmith: not sure why you're experiencing that |
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| 12:54.12 | dsmith | geo-rge: ok |
| 12:54.12 | blinx | I have no experience with a debootstrap |
| 12:54.14 | nvz | I didn't even realize ion3 wasn't in etch anymore, much less that it was non-free |
| 12:54.33 | geo-rge | I may have used it once |
| 12:54.35 | somian | pseubodot: botsnack! |
| 12:54.43 | pseubodot | :) |
| 12:54.54 | geo-rge | dotsmack! |
| 12:54.57 | pseubodot | *belch* |
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| 12:55.02 | abrotman | god .. tuomo is a dick .. |
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| 12:55.33 | somian | Anyone here played with YAFFS for usb keydrives? |
| 12:55.36 | Greyscale | Anyone other than me had their wifi break after update lately? |
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| 12:56.13 | aung | so guys, now could you please tell me how to get multiple xterms from one dock? |
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| 12:56.53 | Greyscale | aung, dock? |
| 12:57.01 | Greyscale | are you on a mac? |
| 12:57.11 | aung | i am using etch. |
| 12:57.11 | abrotman | it's wmaker |
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| 12:57.31 | dsmith | aung: Don't you control clock or something? |
| 12:57.36 | dsmith | click |
| 12:57.56 | somian | aung: don't you want mrxvt or something similar? |
| 12:58.05 | aung | no it's fine |
| 12:58.08 | Greyscale | oh ffs |
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| 12:58.16 | Greyscale | networkManager is broken |
| 12:58.21 | marco__ | Hi |
| 12:58.25 | somian | Lo |
| 12:58.28 | abrotman | aung: if you want to use ion3 .. just backport it from sid |
| 12:58.51 | aung | abrotman I think I am doing that also. |
| 12:58.55 | geo-rge | mid |
| 12:59.02 | somian | geo-rge ;) |
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| 12:59.15 | abrotman | !tell aung about simple sid backport |
| 12:59.48 | aung | thanks |
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| 13:00.43 | InsomniaCity | Hi! I'm a bit of a debian newbie, but I'd like to get SQLite >= 3.2.3 onto this box. apt-get install only offers me 2.8.17, probably because I'm an older Debian release, but I'm so new at Debian I don't even know how to check what release this box is. Can anyone help? |
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| 13:01.08 | abrotman | InsolitWork: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:01.19 | abrotman | bah |
| 13:01.24 | abrotman | InsomniaCity: ^^ |
| 13:01.26 | somian | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:01.29 | geo-rge | InsomniaCity: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 13:01.34 | InsomniaCity | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:01.42 | InsomniaCity | 4.0 |
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| 13:02.09 | geo-rge | I misread that as ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shaved libraries |
| 13:02.11 | InsomniaCity | Am I SOL then? |
| 13:02.42 | somian | I hear Paris Hilton shaves her libraries |
| 13:02.43 | geo-rge | you could build yourself a local copy |
| 13:02.50 | abrotman | !info sqllite unstable |
| 13:03.00 | aung | done, let me restart gdm |
| 13:03.00 | abrotman | argh |
| 13:03.10 | nuxis | dpkg is out :s? |
| 13:03.12 | InsomniaCity | would I be able to leave the original one installed if I did that? |
| 13:03.18 | nvz | somian: heh |
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| 13:03.29 | abrotman | !info sqlite3 etch |
| 13:03.32 | InsomniaCity | ie, for the other users, and just use 3.2.3 myself? |
| 13:03.33 | dpkg | sqlite3: (A command line interface for SQLite 3), section misc, is optional. Version: 3.3.8-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 13:03.40 | marco__ | what is the debian pendant for gentoo's rc-update status ? |
| 13:03.40 | abrotman | InsomniaCity: that vresion would do ? |
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| 13:03.56 | InsomniaCity | abrotman: it would seem so yes |
| 13:03.59 | abrotman | marco__: update-rc.d i thikn is what you want |
| 13:04.06 | abrotman | InsomniaCity: so aptitude install sqlite3 |
| 13:04.13 | somian | InsomniaCity: \o/ yay, eh |
| 13:04.16 | marco__ | abrotman: ok I'll I try it |
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| 13:04.39 | InsomniaCity | can I not use apt-get? :P |
| 13:04.54 | geo-rge | sure |
| 13:04.54 | TrueDD | re |
| 13:04.57 | Greyscale | Why is network-manager fucking up all of a sudden? |
| 13:04.59 | geo-rge | why not |
| 13:05.04 | somian | TIMTOWTDI |
| 13:05.05 | samesame | InsomniaCity: or u could install gentoo and get compiling like a man! |
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| 13:05.08 | Greyscale | Its not connecting at all to any wifi AP |
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| 13:05.16 | abrotman | InsomniaCity: you can if you want |
| 13:05.20 | nuxis | Greyscale: you have right drivers? |
| 13:05.30 | InsomniaCity | samesame: pfffft, overrated :) |
| 13:05.46 | chemaja | go sid postinst go! |
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| 13:06.03 | chemaja | samesame: learn C for a start |
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| 13:06.12 | samesame | i thought drivers were written in asm? |
| 13:06.13 | geo-rge | samesame: then learn hardware |
| 13:06.15 | somian | And give up AOL/sms-speak |
| 13:06.37 | geo-rge | you can write mostly in C and do critical things in asm |
| 13:06.44 | samesame | ok |
| 13:06.52 | marco__ | abrotman: hmm.. is there a possibilty to show which rc-scripts belong to which runlevel and wich are started at the moment? |
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| 13:07.13 | abrotman | marco__: you could peek in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 13:07.16 | samesame | has anyone here coded a driver? |
| 13:07.26 | f00li5h | am i able to run the installer on a running system? |
| 13:07.26 | abrotman | try ##kernel ? |
| 13:07.26 | geo-rge | !anyone |
| 13:07.26 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:07.36 | samesame | ok |
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| 13:08.09 | marco__ | abrotman: but how can I see which of these scripts are running at the moment? |
| 13:08.29 | sardaukar | I'm running Etch - how can I go to the "unstable" flavor? |
| 13:08.29 | dsmith | samesame: Sure. Get the o'reilly "linux device drivers" book. |
| 13:08.31 | abrotman | i'm not aware of anything more than 'ps' |
| 13:08.39 | abrotman | sardaukar: if you have to ask .. please don't |
| 13:08.41 | marco__ | abrotman: gentoo's "rc-update status" shows me which rc-scipts are up |
| 13:08.42 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 13:08.42 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 13:08.43 | nuxis | ps a... |
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| 13:09.01 | abrotman | marco__: i know .. i just don't know of anything in debian that does the same |
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| 13:09.17 | sardaukar | abrotman: I just wanted to run something more recent than Kernel 2.6.14 and Gnome 2.14 :( |
| 13:09.23 | marco__ | abrotman: ok thanks |
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| 13:09.39 | chemaja | sid is also used by normal users who are advanced Debian users and who understand the nature and pitfalls of sid** |
| 13:09.43 | abrotman | !tell sardaukar about etch- |
| 13:09.46 | abrotman | !tell sardaukar about etch->lenny |
| 13:09.58 | abrotman | sardaukar: try lenny for a bit .. should be a little newer |
| 13:10.14 | abrotman | chemaja: you can't even get aptitude to work |
| 13:10.31 | sardaukar | thanks abrotman, I'll try that |
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| 13:10.45 | chemaja | abrotman: choose not to :) |
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| 13:11.06 | chemaja | and i wasn't claiming that i was advanced :) i may be just the hopeful linux hippie dreamer corner case :P |
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| 13:12.35 | f00li5h | what should I be reading to find out about making a from-source apache hve a config layout like the apache2 package's layout? |
| 13:12.37 | SR71-Blackbird | aite// hey 757 ppl.. |
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| 13:21.06 | Jester__ | hi |
| 13:21.13 | Jester__ | How can I get drivers for Sis 650/740 VGA for Linux? |
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| 13:21.19 | dimsuz | hi! just dist-upgraded and now my nvidia (non-free) driver stopped to work. any hints? |
| 13:21.32 | chemaja | dimsuz: check the debian wiki for your card |
| 13:21.51 | chemaja | dimsuz: you probably need to build against the new kernel using module-assistant or whatever it's called |
| 13:22.07 | chemaja | Jester__: what's ur monitors native res |
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| 13:22.41 | dimsuz | chemaja: i'm using testing and before it just worked - simple apt-get install nvidia-glx. it seems that transition to xorg-7.2 broke it |
| 13:23.01 | chemaja | dimsuz: like i said. did the kernel get updated? |
| 13:23.19 | dimsuz | chemaja: nope. the kernel wan't touched. only xorgs |
| 13:23.28 | chemaja | dimsuz: check Xorg's log file |
| 13:23.39 | chemaja | dimsuz: was your xorg.conf touched? |
| 13:23.41 | jelly-home | f00li5h: directory paths, where stuff gets installed and similar? --enable-layout=Debian, or apt-get source apache2, then look at stuff in apache-2*/debian/ subdirectory, especially with respect to configure options in debian/rules |
| 13:23.51 | dimsuz | chemaja: it says no module "nvidia" is found |
| 13:23.56 | dimsuz | chemaja: i'm not sure |
| 13:24.06 | dimsuz | it should be touched? |
| 13:24.07 | chemaja | dimsuz: uninstall/reinstall the nvidia stuff |
| 13:24.14 | chemaja | dimsuz: not if you touched it |
| 13:24.31 | dimsuz | chemaja: done :). apt-get --reinstall nvidia-glx |
| 13:24.38 | chemaja | dimsuz: wicked. |
| 13:24.47 | dimsuz | yup :) |
| 13:24.48 | chemaja | dimsuz: now go listen to some Queens of the Stoneage |
| 13:24.58 | dimsuz | :-D |
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| 13:25.08 | dimsuz | is there a way to pull back xorg-7.1? |
| 13:25.33 | jelly-home | dimsuz: hm, get it from snapshots? |
| 13:25.37 | jelly-home | !snapshots |
| 13:25.37 | dpkg | [debian snapshot] http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 13:25.42 | samesame | are any of u guys brainy enough to change sendmail to postfix on a busy live system? |
| 13:25.51 | chemaja | samesame: hell no |
| 13:26.00 | jelly-home | samesame: how much do you pay per hour? |
| 13:26.07 | chemaja | heh |
| 13:26.07 | dimsuz | jelly-home: i'll take a look, thanks |
| 13:26.08 | samesame | heh i just wondered |
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| 13:26.37 | xand | samesame: no, but I can spell "you" ;P |
| 13:26.54 | asg | samesame: you would obviously test the new setup to see that it meets your needs, then develop a migration plan, and, finally, implement it. Not hard. |
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| 13:27.15 | samesame | asg: downtime = lost money |
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| 13:27.41 | chemaja | asg: i'm guessing replicating the env is too big a task for him. |
| 13:27.43 | asg | samesame: that's why you setup a test system. Verify that data will flow correctly. Then, do your cut in the middle of the night. |
| 13:28.00 | samesame | asg: interesting |
| 13:28.21 | samesame | asg: then once u get it all up and working, a couple of hours later it breaks |
| 13:28.38 | chemaja | samesame: so test it for a couple days :) |
| 13:28.41 | samesame | it would be nice to have a linux admin job like that |
| 13:28.52 | asg | samesame: then your testing is not complete. |
| 13:29.00 | samesame | yes |
| 13:29.10 | dimsuz | chemaja: it's a known bug. found solution on debianhelp.org. thanks for your input, man! :) |
| 13:29.11 | chemaja | maybe draft a rollback blan |
| 13:29.12 | asg | samesame: also, do you have a compelling reason to switch from sendmail to postfix? |
| 13:29.23 | chemaja | dimsuz: no probs :) |
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| 13:30.04 | samesame | no i got the idea from this book what im going to buy |
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| 13:30.05 | samesame | http://books.slashdot.org/books/07/06/11/156214.shtml |
| 13:30.51 | asg | samesame: are you comfortable running sendmail or do you know very little about it and just inhereted the setup from a previous admin? |
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| 13:31.17 | samesame | no i dont know anything about it, ive installed postfix at home but only used it for very basic stuff |
| 13:31.36 | asg | samesame: the architecture is wildly different and takes some getting used to if you are from the monolithic (sendmail / exim) side. O'Reilly also has a postfix book. |
| 13:31.47 | samesame | yes |
| 13:31.51 | samesame | im going to get that |
| 13:32.02 | samesame | and the squid + iptables + bind books |
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| 13:32.26 | asg | samesame: you might also consult with the folks in #postfix to see what their recommendations are. |
| 13:32.39 | samesame | ok |
| 13:32.58 | ma3x | why I get this ? ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory |
| 13:33.17 | asg | !smart questions |
| 13:33.17 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
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| 13:34.58 | blmartin777 | I am looking for a good dedicated server company that has debian available and has a good price. any ideas? |
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| 13:36.07 | f00li5h | jelly-home: --enable-layout=Debian to a make file? |
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| 13:36.36 | cahoot | ma3x: snd_seq_* not loaded? |
| 13:37.14 | ma3x | cahoot, is that a module? |
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| 13:37.44 | cahoot | ma3x: rather a group of possible modules |
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| 13:39.48 | duckx | Is someone using a scanner with sane ? |
| 13:39.55 | cahoot | ma3x: planning on midi ? |
| 13:40.33 | xand | duckx: no-one at all |
| 13:40.41 | ma3x | cahoot, it's almost noon :) |
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| 13:40.59 | duckx | Hmm |
| 13:41.09 | duckx | Well, I try to fix the permission |
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| 13:41.16 | xand | !tell duckx about anyone |
| 13:41.44 | duckx | And I can't get why the udev rules are not applied |
| 13:41.51 | cahoot | duckx: user needs to be in 'scanner' |
| 13:42.06 | duckx | Well, my user is in scanner group |
| 13:42.20 | cahoot | duckx: id says so too? |
| 13:42.34 | duckx | But usb devices created under /dev/ are all root root |
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| 13:43.06 | duckx | Well in udev.d/libsane my scanner is in there and indeed should be in the scanner group |
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| 13:43.20 | ma3x | cahoot, where do I get those modules from ? they dont exist |
| 13:43.23 | duckx | I mean the vendor and product Id are there |
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| 13:43.38 | duckx | cahoot: Yeah id say so too |
| 13:43.48 | Greyscale | Why is network-manager broken? |
| 13:44.02 | duckx | but when I insert the scanner, udev populates my /dev, but no rights are applied |
| 13:44.11 | duckx | That is wired |
| 13:44.26 | xand | Greyscale: cos its rubbish? |
| 13:44.37 | asg | Greyscale: what debian version are you running? Have you checked the BTS? |
| 13:44.42 | Greyscale | xand, this is the first time its ever gone boom |
| 13:44.54 | Greyscale | lenny |
| 13:44.58 | duckx | I may check if udev format have changed ... |
| 13:45.00 | xand | c.c I've never seen the point in that program |
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| 13:47.21 | cahoot | duckx: running lenny here - gets root/scanner |
| 13:48.06 | cahoot | duckx: on /dev/bus/usb/... |
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| 13:48.29 | duckx | ok let me check cahoot |
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| 13:49.20 | duckx | Hmm, cahoot |
| 13:49.32 | duckx | I don't have the /dev/bus dir |
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| 13:49.52 | duckx | Could you tell me if you have it in /etc/fstab ? |
| 13:50.19 | duckx | something like /proc/usb or something ? |
| 13:50.36 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I have an IDE hdd rack in my pc running debian. The problem is that the disk in that rack is nearly to fail and I want to replace it (it's not a system disk). Is it possible to eject, replace the disk and somehow to mount it again without powering off/rebooting the system? |
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| 13:51.42 | cahoot | duckx: no |
| 13:51.47 | asg | hid3: it really depends on whether your hardware is hot-swappable or not |
| 13:52.13 | liable | hid3: depends on the driver, unlikely for ide. google the driver for the chip and hot swap |
| 13:52.16 | hid3 | well, it's quite an old machine so I don't think it supports that |
| 13:53.04 | hid3 | that's PIIX4 afaik |
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| 13:53.30 | cahoot | duckx: but 'mount' reports: procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
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| 13:54.06 | raboof | is anyone else noticing the Iceweasel in Testing being very unstable? |
| 13:54.07 | duckx | hmm yes me too |
| 13:54.15 | duckx | cahoot: I got that entry |
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| 13:55.13 | duckx | so the wired thing is that I don't have any /dev/usb |
| 13:55.14 | asg | raboof: it's not particularly stable in etch either. |
| 13:55.38 | xand | hid3: no the |
| 13:55.46 | xand | then |
| 13:55.52 | hid3 | I see, thanks.. |
| 13:56.05 | raboof | stacktrace at http://bzzt.net/~arnouten/firefoxcrash.txt |
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| 13:57.00 | Piet | is anyone aware of gpl debs of virtualbox (probably released under a different name, if so)? |
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| 14:00.05 | liable | raboof: do they use flash? |
| 14:00.23 | liable | flash is about the only thing that has killed ff for me |
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| 14:01.28 | asg | liable: I've found that saving session state on close makes whether it crashes or not irrelevant in most cases. |
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| 14:02.00 | afaict | Hi folks!!! |
| 14:02.38 | somian | Hello afaict |
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| 14:02.54 | afaict | I would like to install debian sid into my 16gb pendrive. but I would like to install a crypto debian distro. does anyone knows a goot howto ? |
| 14:03.03 | afaict | s/sid/unstable |
| 14:03.29 | afaict | s/goot/good/ |
| 14:03.30 | somian | 16 gb pendrive, whoa ;) |
| 14:03.42 | afaict | somian: i bought right now... :) |
| 14:03.53 | afaict | a few minutes ago |
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| 14:04.43 | afaict | so no one knows a good howto.. i will search @ google. |
| 14:04.47 | asg | afaict: the stable installer can do full filesystem crypto by default. Afterwards, if you need to, you can upgrade to sid. |
| 14:05.09 | afaict | asg: nice! i will run debian installation right now with debian 4.0 dvd. |
| 14:05.30 | afaict | asg: debian 4.0 installer does that ? i will try it so! |
| 14:05.32 | duckx | cahoot: could you list me what you have in /etc/udev/udev.d ? |
| 14:06.02 | asg | afaict: yes, the install guide should have information on doing so. Also, debian-administration.org will likely have a howto. |
| 14:06.22 | afaict | asg: danke! |
| 14:06.26 | cahoot | duckx: /etc/udev/rules.d ? |
| 14:06.34 | duckx | Yes thx |
| 14:06.42 | duckx | In private chat to not pollute |
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| 14:07.10 | duckx | or http://pastey.net |
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| 14:07.53 | cahoot | http://pastey.net/63453 |
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| 14:08.00 | duckx | thx cahoot |
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| 14:09.34 | xand | `/whois shish |
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| 14:10.27 | xand | hm |
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| 14:10.49 | duckx | Thx cahoot |
| 14:10.52 | Jester__ | Hello |
| 14:11.28 | Jester__ | How do I access to my pc icon which I should have on my desktop if my pc doesn't detect the cd I insert in the cdrom? |
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| 14:12.26 | chemaja | how can package x not be installed if it's seemingly already installed? http://pastebin.com/934680 |
| 14:13.16 | Jester__ | How do I open "My pc" if I don't have the icon on my desktop? |
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| 14:15.40 | flami | Jester__, it should be system:/ in konqueror ( maybe for gnome too ) |
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| 14:16.33 | Jester__ | flami, thank you |
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| 14:17.27 | jolly | hi there |
| 14:17.31 | xconspirisist | hey all. Is it possible to generate /etc/fstab? - don´t as how, I deleted it. :( |
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| 14:17.56 | jolly | anyone here encounter error install on core 2 duo |
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| 14:18.13 | Jester__ | flami, it doesn't work |
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| 14:18.38 | asg | chemaja: use apt-cache policy <pkg> to see if the one installed and the one to be installed have the same version |
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| 14:18.55 | flami | Jester__, then i dont know for gnome |
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| 14:20.27 | chemaja | asg, there's only one version listed: 1.0.7185-4 |
| 14:20.35 | jolly | i encounter this //............installing linux....but cant find cdrom... |
| 14:20.36 | Talaturen | flami, he is using kde :p |
| 14:20.46 | flami | is he ? |
| 14:20.49 | Talaturen | yes |
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| 14:20.56 | flami | well then he misstyped :P |
| 14:21.15 | asg | chemaja: hmmm, could you pastebin the output of apt-cache policy <pkg> for both the source package and the other one it references. |
| 14:21.34 | flami | or open konqueror and look on the left side those tabs , one of them is your pc |
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| 14:23.13 | jolly | i boot in cdrom ........then following the wizz but failed to find cdrom... |
| 14:23.20 | jolly | anyone can help me |
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| 14:23.56 | asg | jolly: the reason you can boot from the cdrom is because the bios does that. Then, once the kernel is running, it can't find it. What system is this? |
| 14:24.34 | jolly | i am using the core 2 duo |
| 14:24.44 | chemaja | asg, http://rafb.net/p/OM7FyO68.html |
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| 14:25.07 | jolly | yeah i google it and says that mapping of sata ...ide things |
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| 14:25.19 | jolly | but how can i pass to this? |
| 14:25.25 | asg | jolly: what version of debian are you trying to install? |
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| 14:25.40 | asg | chemaja: I'd check the bts for those packages. Also, make sure you run apt-get update if you haven't recently |
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| 14:25.55 | Dalia1 | i'm trying to find a kmap file on the debian website. anyone help? |
| 14:26.32 | chemaja | asg, ok, thanks for your help. the weird thing is when you look at showpkg for them both, the version deps match |
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| 14:27.48 | asg | chemaja: true but the cache policy indicates neither is installed but dpkg -l did. Out of curiosity, could you pastebin 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep -i nvid' |
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| 14:28.20 | jolly | asg ...Debian etch |
| 14:28.34 | chemaja | asg, dpkg -l showed the dep because i manually installed it (with an apt-get install) |
| 14:28.45 | jolly | asg ...Debian etch 4.0 |
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| 14:29.22 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 14:29.26 | asg | jolly: you might see if testing (lenny) will install. Another option is it use a netinstall or usb-key install if you have the necessary hardware. |
| 14:29.50 | asg | chemaja: yes but apt-get install would have updated the policy cache to reflect that. |
| 14:29.53 | chemaja | asg, note i've been playing around and removing stuff etc. http://rafb.net/p/sMc8Lf97.html |
| 14:30.02 | Dalia1 | (leaves in disgust at how little the alleged geeks know) |
| 14:30.18 | chemaja | i can recreate the situation, one sec |
| 14:30.20 | asg | chemaja: okay, so it's not installed, just hasn't been purged (i.e., dpkg -P <pkg>) |
| 14:31.32 | chemaja | asg, http://rafb.net/p/CjTrQL14.html |
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| 14:32.16 | jolly | asg, tnx i will this first |
| 14:32.24 | chemaja | asg, ..... http://rafb.net/p/NWOKCp85.html |
| 14:32.35 | jolly | asg, hope to resolve this |
| 14:32.42 | raboof | hum, looks like tetex-bin tries to use tetex-bin-upgrade, which used to be in tex-common but is no longer |
| 14:33.02 | chemaja | anyway, i think i'm too tired to look at this now .. tomorrow is another day |
| 14:33.13 | asg | chemaja: have you checked the bts for bugs filed on those packages? |
| 14:33.14 | chemaja | thanks for your help asg, i'll try and file that report |
| 14:33.26 | chemaja | no, i will before i file it |
| 14:33.27 | asg | chemaja: have a good one, let me know how it works out |
| 14:33.33 | chemaja | ok, will do |
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| 14:35.05 | Darth_Tux | hi all, what is the name of the X-package? |
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| 14:38.05 | Spyro_boy | For those who are around: I'm running Debian AMD64 Lenny/Sid and my USB interface seems to have died somehow. |
| 14:38.09 | Spyro_boy | It seems to work during boot as it detected a few things but it must've died sometime after. |
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| 14:38.52 | Spyro_boy | Rawr. I'm going back to testing. I feel as if Sid did this. :/ |
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| 14:39.08 | blinx | where I can set the option that ssh is started in the new system? |
| 14:39.20 | Spyro_boy | blinx, on boot? |
| 14:39.24 | Spyro_boy | blinx, rcconf |
| 14:39.39 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: testing and unstable - both have there own issues at the moment |
| 14:39.48 | blinx | Spyro_boy: where I can find it? |
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| 14:39.50 | h3sp4wn | (Just after a release its to be expected) |
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| 14:39.55 | blinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.57 | Spyro_boy | h3sp4wn, really? |
| 14:40.04 | Spyro_boy | I see. |
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| 14:40.27 | Spyro_boy | Oh wait. |
| 14:40.35 | larsl | Is there a kernel with Ingo Molnar's RT patch and realtime preemption turned on packaged for Debian? |
| 14:40.35 | Spyro_boy | I was told that I can't go from unstable to testing. |
| 14:40.38 | Spyro_boy | Am I correct? |
| 14:40.46 | disposable | i'm trying to back up my 120GB harddrive to another (identical) 120GB disk. i typed 'dd bs=1M if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb' and it's been ages. am i missing some special argument? (it took my colleague cca 35 minutes to do it, but i don't know the exact syntax he used) |
| 14:40.53 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: unstable has issues because of all the new stuff going in (but they get fixed quicker) testing has issues because of stuff only partially moved down from unstable |
| 14:41.07 | Spyro_boy | I see. |
| 14:41.07 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: (and the fact that fixes take 10 days to go down) |
| 14:41.27 | larsl | disposable: You could maybe tell it to use larger blocks. |
| 14:41.45 | Spyro_boy | h3sp4wn, how do I get the fixes? but doing upgrades? |
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| 14:42.11 | disposable | larsl: how large can i go? i've 2GB of RAM |
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| 14:42.28 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: Read the bts - use apt-listbugs |
| 14:42.39 | Spyro_boy | I can't |
| 14:42.42 | Spyro_boy | no mouse |
| 14:42.47 | larsl | disposable: Not sure how much RAM is locked by other important processes (e.g. the kernel), but you should definitely be able to do 1 - 1.5 GB blocks. |
| 14:43.16 | disposable | larsl: what's the syntax for a megabyte? M or MB? |
| 14:43.20 | Azar | is tarzeau banned again? |
| 14:43.26 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: Use a text browser |
| 14:43.40 | xand | try a rat instead |
| 14:43.47 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: or querybts |
| 14:43.49 | larsl | disposable: I think so. Not sure though. |
| 14:43.59 | Spyro_boy | querybts? |
| 14:44.00 | larsl | disposable: I think it's M, I mean. |
| 14:44.37 | disposable | larsl: thank you for help, it has finished now, took 3019 seconds :) |
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| 14:44.54 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: reportbug: /usr/bin/querybts |
| 14:45.40 | Spyro_boy | Oh. |
| 14:45.42 | Spyro_boy | Cool app. |
| 14:45.46 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: You cannot downgrade from unstable to testing either (or its too time consuming for anyone (me anyway) to spend the time required to help you do it) |
| 14:46.56 | Spyro_boy | h3sp4wn, who said help? isn't it about as easy as sed -ire 's/unstable/testing/' /etc/apt/sources.list;aptitude update;aptitude upgrade? |
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| 14:47.04 | Spyro_boy | dist-upgrade* |
| 14:47.23 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: No |
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| 14:47.30 | Spyro_boy | Oh. |
| 14:47.33 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: Not by a long shot |
| 14:47.39 | Spyro_boy | :/ |
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| 14:51.45 | xlotlu | what neds to be done for a dhcp client to take into account the ntp-servers option of the server? |
| 14:51.53 | h3sp4wn | Spyro_boy: apt-show-versions (gives you lines like - kdebase-data/sid uptodate 4:3.5.7-1) / apt-get install --reinstall -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss packagename (if you have done it right all the packages in the output of apt-show-versions should say lenny or testing) |
| 14:52.45 | Azar | Spyro_boy: Sid breaks your applications. You should be able to know how to fix broken applications, if not... install Stable. |
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| 14:53.09 | manphiz | testing is ok :) |
| 14:53.13 | Spyro_boy | yeah |
| 14:53.22 | Spyro_boy | I went from testing to unstable to get newer packages :/ |
| 14:53.38 | Spyro_boy | unstable was fine at first, but it seems to have killed stuff O_o |
| 14:53.40 | Azar | Spyro_boy: newer packges that are unstable and break |
| 14:53.54 | manphiz | Spyro_boy, just use the new packages in unstable and keep your system testing will do |
| 14:54.10 | larsl | Spyro_boy: If you want a new package, just install that one from unstable. |
| 14:54.38 | asg | xlotlu: dhclient.conf(5) and dhcp-options(5) |
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| 14:55.18 | larsl | Spyro_boy: You can set up apt so you can do 'apt-get install -t unstable foopkg' to get foopkg from unstable, and still use testing for everything else. |
| 14:55.32 | larsl | Or something like that anyway. |
| 14:56.11 | Spyro_boy | hrmmm.. |
| 14:56.13 | asg | Spyro_boy: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 14:56.13 | Spyro_boy | I see. |
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| 14:56.44 | Spyro_boy | anyway, for some reason, this doesn't look like a distro error. |
| 14:56.56 | Spyro_boy | My WiFi chipset is built on my usb chipset. |
| 14:57.10 | Spyro_boy | so it works... just not usb devices. |
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| 14:58.09 | h3sp4wn | echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf (Dunno whether testing/unstable is a good idea for you though) |
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| 15:03.37 | tanaka | hi all |
| 15:04.09 | rilofa | hello, I've just made a big error: I've installed gnome and all the graphical environment in a box which works as a server and does not require them (it has no screen). Is it possible to undo the last aptitude action (aptitude install gedit), base on package installation dates or whatever? any idea? thx |
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| 15:04.46 | xlotlu | asg: i've read the manual. can't find anything about what needs to be configured on the client to actually use the dhcp server's ntp-servers |
| 15:04.46 | h3sp4wn | rilofa: if you just do aptitude purge gedit |
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| 15:05.00 | h3sp4wn | rilofa: (it should get rid of all the dependancies also) |
| 15:05.19 | h3sp4wn | rilofa: (then aptitude purge \~c - to get rid of the unused config files) |
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| 15:05.46 | asg | xlotlu: the client's dhclient.conf file needs to have 'ntp-servers' in the 'request' part |
| 15:05.48 | tanaka | can any of you guys please tell me if its possible to install debian,by first installing it on vmware and then copying the installation to a partition using some way |
| 15:05.59 | xlotlu | asg: done that |
| 15:06.41 | rilofa | h3sp4wn: so, aptitude purge gedit is going to uninstall the entire gnome desktop? |
| 15:06.58 | h3sp4wn | rilofa: If that was the only thing that pulled it in |
| 15:07.06 | h3sp4wn | rilofa: (and it was cli only prior to that point) |
| 15:07.21 | rilofa | h3sp4wn: aha... I get it... |
| 15:07.26 | rilofa | lets try... |
| 15:08.09 | asg | xlotlu: hmmmm, odd. Have you tried doing a tcpdump of the dhcp request/response to see if the ntp-server data is actually passed in? |
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| 15:09.53 | blinx | (none):~# |
| 15:10.00 | blinx | how can I change that? |
| 15:10.08 | blinx | in /etc/hostname is my hostname |
| 15:10.45 | asg | !hostname |
| 15:10.45 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 15:11.17 | rilofa | h3sp4wn: I think I have achived the desired efects following your instros, thanks a lot... |
| 15:11.29 | metbsd | is there streaming tv application in debian? |
| 15:11.38 | asg | blinx: you probably also need to run 'hostname <hostname>' to set it for the current session |
| 15:11.38 | rilofa | amazing debian! |
| 15:11.49 | blinx | asg: thx |
| 15:11.54 | h3sp4wn | rilofa: (just do aptitude search gnome~i) see if anything comes up (quick check) |
| 15:12.32 | xlotlu | asg: my bad, dhcp does its job. something's wrong with my ntp config |
| 15:12.59 | metbsd | oh shoot, then your time is fucked up |
| 15:13.15 | asg | xlotlu: ah, okay. |
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| 15:13.22 | larsl | metbsd: Do you mean that you want to stream TV over the net, or watch streaming video over the net? |
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| 15:13.39 | ma3x | as k3b would burn cue/bin to cdrom, why does it say invalid image when i try to burn it on a dvd? should i change the cue file? |
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| 15:13.44 | ma3x | isnt it same for cd /dvd ? |
| 15:15.38 | rilofa | h3sp4wn: nothing found about gnome ;) |
| 15:16.32 | h3sp4wn | rilofa: That is the whole reason to use aptitude over apt-get |
| 15:16.46 | h3sp4wn | rilofa: (or part of the reason anyway) |
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| 15:17.07 | pbn | Hello, can anyobody recommend a book on SELinux on Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 "etch" ? |
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| 15:18.27 | asg | pbn: the prentice hall open source series recently released a good book on SELinux (mostly covering RH but it should work just fine with Debian) -- SELinux By Example |
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| 15:18.43 | asg | pbn: there is an older O'Reilly book but I wouldn't recommend that since things have changed. |
| 15:19.05 | asg | pbn: finally, there is: http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
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| 15:19.28 | rilofa | h3sp4wn: where can I find more info to understand the commands you've given before, because, to be honest, I understood nothing... I was thinking that aptitude was, more or less, apt-get + apt-cache, but the commands given before changes everything... |
| 15:19.40 | pbn | asg: thank you |
| 15:19.45 | asg | you're welcome |
| 15:19.47 | pbn | asg: must be this book: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0131963694 |
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| 15:20.03 | pbn | asg: they say it's about RHEL and Fedora though... |
| 15:20.14 | h3sp4wn | rilofa: http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s03.html |
| 15:21.09 | asg | pbn: it is but there is very little difference except in some of the pre-built policies. The book actually suggests using the standard target policy which is apt-gettable anyway. |
| 15:21.27 | pbn | asg: ah that's good |
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| 15:21.59 | DragoraN | please i have Intel HD audio (ICH7 family) and my sound is very quiet :( alsamixer volumes are on maximum what should i do? |
| 15:22.21 | h3sp4wn | rilofa: You can use the search patterns to select a group of packages (say you had a kernel with built with make-kpkg - that was versioned linux-image-2.6.22-ril1) with other packages and the headers etc nvidia modules etc - and you wanted to remove all of them you could use aptitude purge ril1~i (still asks) |
| 15:22.30 | pbn | asg: actually I did the RHCE cert on RHEL 4.0, and there's SELinux in it... but for the exam the only thing to know about SELinux is how to enable/disable it heh |
| 15:22.58 | rilofa | h3sp4wn: thanks again. Immediately bookmarked and added at the TO READ list. |
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| 15:23.36 | abrotman | DragoraN: PCM is also up ? |
| 15:24.00 | Azar | rilofa: you can also find it on /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 15:24.04 | rilofa | h3sp4wn: I get the idea... |
| 15:24.06 | DragoraN | abrotman: yes |
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| 15:24.41 | littleball | hello, what is linux virtual console? example /dev/tty9 |
| 15:24.45 | rilofa | Azar: I was not aware of the big differences bettew apt-x and aptitude... |
| 15:25.27 | qrck | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.40 | Azar | rilofa: short info here : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
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| 15:26.48 | rilofa | Azar: I'll have a look at it. thx |
| 15:26.48 | larsl | littleball: Linux has a number of different "virtual terminals" that can either run text-based programs or an X11 display. |
| 15:27.14 | rilofa | Azar: It looks very interesting... |
| 15:27.21 | xlotlu | hmm, when the network comes up, i get ntpd: Cannot find existing interface for address my.ntp.server; if i then do /etc/init.d/ntp force-reload it works... |
| 15:27.24 | littleball | larsl, is just the screen which can be switch by ctrl+alt+fn key? |
| 15:27.31 | larsl | littleball: You can change to another virtual terminal by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F<number> (the one you are running X11 on is usually number 7). |
| 15:27.37 | larsl | littleball: Yes. |
| 15:27.56 | littleball | what is /dev/tty9? |
| 15:28.06 | abrotman | or ctrl-alt-left/right |
| 15:28.49 | larsl | littleball: It's the Linux kernel's interface for those virtual terminals. A program inputs data to a terminal by writing to its device file. |
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| 15:29.19 | h3sp4wn | rilofa: You don't need to know all of them - but ~i (installed) ~n (and) !(not) are quite useful to start with |
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| 15:30.05 | abrotman | !tty |
| 15:30.06 | dpkg | it has been said that tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
| 15:30.09 | rilofa | h3sp4wn ;) |
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| 15:33.58 | penma | i think i got it now... |
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| 15:34.50 | jair | keith4_: Hey my friend how are you doing? |
| 15:35.07 | littleball | larsl, how can i know which virtual consoles are available on a system? |
| 15:35.19 | jair | keith4_: I did the change on the dhcp.conf and everything :P good |
| 15:35.22 | littleball | example, /dev/tty1,2,3,...... |
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| 15:35.42 | littleball | "A virtual console is a shell prompt in a non-graphical environment, accessed from the physical machine, not remotely. Multiple virtual consoles can be accessed simultaneously." |
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| 15:36.21 | babilen | i can't seem to get my PYTHONPATH right. Whenever i do something like "export PYTHONPATH=$PYTHONPATH:/home/babilen/proj/python" it messes up a couple of python programs.. |
| 15:36.27 | babilen | what am i doing wrong..? |
| 15:37.06 | penma | babilen: maybe some directories in your pythonpath contain spaces? |
| 15:37.15 | jair | now, does anyone know if the "networking_ipv6=no" will enhance the boot speed of the OS Debian 4.0? |
| 15:37.31 | penma | then you overwrite it wrong. do export PYTHONPATH="$PYTHONPATH:...." |
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| 15:38.33 | babilen | http://rafb.net/p/IwuEm122.html gives some more info... i really don't get it! |
| 15:39.05 | Azar | it must be a good day today, honorable abrotman did not "wtf"-ed me yet.. :) |
| 15:39.19 | penma | babilen: mh, sure that the final result ":/home/babilen/..." is right? |
| 15:39.19 | tvynr | How do I make Dia (the diagram editor) measure in inches rather than centimeters? Getting nothing from Google... |
| 15:39.25 | abrotman | i was reading! |
| 15:40.20 | penma | today is a really good day. i got fglrx working with kernel 2.6.21 |
| 15:40.23 | Azar | abrotman: new openbox with a bang... just got it |
| 15:40.43 | penma | although some morons stole me the freedom of chosing what modules (gpl or not gpl) i may load... |
| 15:40.44 | Azar | 2.6.21 < the buggyest kernel to date |
| 15:40.44 | babilen | penma: not really.... but i can;t really think of a better way ... |
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| 15:40.56 | abrotman | tvynr: i don't see it either ... |
| 15:41.12 | penma | mh.. well.. some morons think i do not need to have freedom of choice |
| 15:41.14 | tvynr | abrotman: 'kay... thanks for looking nonetheless. Vindicating, if nothing else. ;) |
| 15:41.21 | penma | otherwise they would not forbid gnon-gpl modules to be loaded. |
| 15:41.30 | abrotman | tvynr: you could ask on irc.gnome.org |
| 15:41.35 | tvynr | ah |
| 15:41.36 | tvynr | thanks |
| 15:41.52 | alper | hey guys i got a question regarding importing a reg-file to regedit on my debian server! -----> how can i do that? since there is no visiual regedit emulation? |
| 15:42.04 | manphiz | I've a problem with my "Shared folders" in my gnome, which urges me to install samba or nfs, and I've already installed samba. What's the problem?? |
| 15:42.10 | penma | alper: heh, regedit? |
| 15:42.19 | penma | wine or what? |
| 15:42.22 | alper | indeed |
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| 15:42.42 | alper | i'd like to emulate mirc on my server |
| 15:42.46 | penma | 0.0 |
| 15:42.49 | abrotman | why? |
| 15:42.52 | alper | for that i need to import the reg file |
| 15:42.55 | abrotman | alper: ask #winehq |
| 15:43.03 | penma | alper: for WHAT do you need mirc for? |
| 15:43.09 | abrotman | why would anyone actually want mirc |
| 15:43.13 | penma | it's good for distributing viruses and for spamming.. and for getting hacked |
| 15:43.14 | alper | for an msl script |
| 15:43.20 | penma | o.O |
| 15:43.36 | abrotman | isn't MSL .. mirc scripting language? :) |
| 15:43.45 | Azar | penma: move to irssi and learn something new... |
| 15:43.46 | penma | alper: use ANY other clients. most clients today have way more powerfulö scripting languages, you could either port your script there or search if there's already a similar one |
| 15:43.48 | alper | yea something like that |
| 15:43.58 | penma | Azar: what luck.. i _AM_ actually using irssi :P |
| 15:44.03 | cast | its almost stereotypical for windows power users switching to gnu/linux to run mirc in wine |
| 15:44.14 | alper | i aint code the script :E |
| 15:44.17 | alper | some friend of mine did it |
| 15:44.25 | penma | alper: and? what's the problem of rewriting it? |
| 15:44.27 | alper | i just want it to make run on my debian server now |
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| 15:44.36 | penma | it won't be worse than php code. i promise. |
| 15:44.40 | Azar | alper: you could start learning... |
| 15:44.41 | abrotman | alper: ask #winehq how to 'edit' the registry |
| 15:44.50 | penma | alper: anyway, 90% of all mirc scripts are spam scripts anyway! |
| 15:46.19 | h3sp4wn | Or warez scripts |
| 15:46.21 | jair | why in debian 3.1 sarge I can do => "/etc/init.d/networking restart" the network get restarted and the "eth0" come up. On the debian 4.0 if I run the command "/etc/init.d/networking restart" the network does not come back unleass I run "ifup eth0" |
| 15:46.43 | penma | h3sp4wn: nobody would care about those. |
| 15:46.49 | jair | is there something I need to change or customize on Damian |
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| 15:47.17 | penma | but 90% of them are spam scripts - making "fancy" color output all time, collor code spam at all, introducing plenk (users with IQ less than 30 plenk) and llot more crap |
| 15:47.22 | cast | jair: do you have auto eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:47.44 | jair | cast: I will check that |
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| 15:48.37 | norc | Hello. I'm experiencing an extreme slowdown in my localnetwork. The ping latency to the router is between 50-100ms, normally it should be <1ms |
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| 15:48.58 | norc | I had this trouble before, my guess is that the latency will rise and rise until it hits 1-2 seconds |
| 15:48.59 | h3sp4wn | penma: I think a large portion of the userbase of mirc is into warez |
| 15:49.01 | penma | norc: how is your computer connected to your router? |
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| 15:49.08 | penma | WLAN? homeplug? lan? |
| 15:49.10 | norc | lan |
| 15:49.28 | norc | In this lan I'm the only one experiencing this lag |
| 15:49.29 | penma | hmm.. i assume your network in general isn't overloaded |
| 15:49.31 | cast | penma: what is homeplug? |
| 15:49.46 | penma | cast: lan over powerline, usually for one appartement |
| 15:49.54 | cast | ah, neat. |
| 15:50.04 | penma | for those who can't use lan cables but also don't want wlan |
| 15:50.10 | penma | (or where wlan doesn#t work) |
| 15:50.13 | norc | penma: well, I'm certainly not |
| 15:50.26 | norc | *overloading my network |
| 15:50.46 | norc | I just closed my p2p client, the latency increased to 5-6s |
| 15:50.59 | abrotman | cast: netgear sells homeplug devices .. you plug one end in near your router into a wall outlet .. and then on the other end you have another device to plug in your remote devie |
| 15:51.13 | norc | any suggestions at all? |
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| 15:51.25 | abrotman | norc: do you have other machines that exhibit this ? |
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| 15:51.34 | penma | norc: means you decreased network traffic and lag raises? |
| 15:51.36 | penma | O_o |
| 15:51.38 | norc | abrotman: nope |
| 15:51.45 | abrotman | norc: do you have other machines ? |
| 15:51.49 | norc | abrotman: Yes. |
| 15:51.53 | norc | But they are just fine |
| 15:51.57 | abrotman | so just your linux box is slow ? |
| 15:52.03 | norc | Only my Lenny box |
| 15:52.07 | norc | but it might also be the hardware |
| 15:52.15 | idan | i've lost my root password on my machine, followed the instruction on http://www.debianadmin.com/forgot-root-password-or-reset-root-password-in-debian.html, after loggin in on singel-user mode, im not able to change the password with 'passwd'. is there any other way to change it? thanks |
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| 15:52.32 | abrotman | norc: you could try a liveCD or something to see if it's the OS ? |
| 15:52.32 | tuliox | whats the command to load mouse configuration (speed, acceleration, smoothness) in kde |
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| 15:52.42 | norc | abrotman: If I reboot now the lag will be fine again. |
| 15:52.43 | cast | idan: any livecd will do |
| 15:52.56 | abrotman | norc: oh ... |
| 15:52.56 | idan | cast: in case i dont have a livecd, is there any other option? |
| 15:53.00 | penma | tuliox: kcmshell mouse |
| 15:53.02 | abrotman | norc: so it only happens after awhile ? |
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| 15:53.15 | norc | abrotman: yeah.. randomly.. normally after a few days uptime |
| 15:53.17 | cast | idan: boot into single user mode :\ |
| 15:53.24 | idan | heh, thats what i did cast |
| 15:53.30 | idan | but it cant find passwd. |
| 15:53.32 | norc | abrotman: Today I had the problem, I rebooted about 3 hours ago, and now im experiencing it again |
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| 15:53.35 | abrotman | norc: tried other kernels ? |
| 15:53.48 | cast | idan: type `/usr/bin/passwd'? |
| 15:53.52 | norc | abrotman: not yet, but might be a good idea |
| 15:53.59 | abrotman | norc: is this kernel one you've compiled ? |
| 15:54.01 | stew | idan: is /usr a separate partition that isn't yet mounted? |
| 15:54.07 | blinx | ./configure: line 24837: syntax error near unexpected token `XML,' |
| 15:54.08 | blinx | ./configure: line 24837: ` PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XML, libxml-2.0,' |
| 15:54.12 | idan | cast: nope. i can get into /usr, but i cant find it. |
| 15:54.18 | norc | abrotman: no, its from debians repos |
| 15:54.28 | abrotman | norc: which kernel is it ? |
| 15:54.38 | stew | idan: then 'aptitude install passwd' |
| 15:54.38 | cast | idan: its going to be in /usr/bin, unless something is fubar |
| 15:54.50 | norc | abrotman: the 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 15:55.00 | abrotman | i thought lenny had 20/21? |
| 15:55.07 | idan | ty stew, cast. |
| 15:55.15 | abrotman | norc: has it always been like this ? or just recently ? |
| 15:55.22 | norc | abrotman: The kernel is from Etch, I did a dist-upgrade |
| 15:55.29 | norc | abrotman: it has been for a few weeks |
| 15:55.34 | norc | cant pinpoint a certain time |
| 15:55.36 | norc | or date |
| 15:55.36 | abrotman | norc: ah .. is there a newer kernel in lenny for you ? |
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| 15:55.38 | Southern | Hi |
| 15:55.47 | norc | abrotman: well, apt-get upgrade doesnt offer any new kernels |
| 15:56.07 | norc | abrotman: and it appears that the 2.6.18 is the most recent kernel |
| 15:56.10 | abrotman | yeah ... sid has newer .. lenny doesn't |
| 15:56.30 | jair | cast: this is what I have on the "/etc/network/interfaces" |
| 15:56.31 | norc | so are you suggesting it might be a kernel bug? |
| 15:56.39 | jair | cast: http://rafb.net/p/0905r536.html |
| 15:56.46 | abrotman | could be .. i'm not sure what else would affect it like that |
| 15:56.53 | norc | abrotman: here is the thing, I just restarted the p2p client, and when all connections were re-established it appears the latency went down to ~100ms |
| 15:57.10 | abrotman | norc: that's good or bad ? |
| 15:57.24 | norc | abrotman: well, 100ms is defintely better than 5s, but still it should be below 1ms |
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| 15:57.36 | norc | I cant see any explanation for it being that high |
| 15:57.48 | rhalff | how do I get a `what provides` with apt-get |
| 15:57.54 | abrotman | norc: so maybe it's your p2p software ? |
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| 15:58.01 | rhalff | I need to know what provides fb-run |
| 15:58.02 | abrotman | rhalff: apt-file ? |
| 15:58.08 | abrotman | !tell rhalff about apt-file |
| 15:58.09 | norc | abrotman: but closing the p2p software should restore the previous status |
| 15:58.10 | rhalff | abrotman, ah thanks |
| 15:58.11 | abrotman | !tell rhalff about search |
| 15:58.16 | norc | abrotman: not increasing the effects of its bugs |
| 15:58.17 | JeffH | What's the apt.sources entry for the volatile repository? |
| 15:58.26 | abrotman | !volatile |
| 15:58.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
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| 15:58.41 | cast | jair: hmm, if you had auto eth0 instead of allow-hotplug i suspect it would come up, i'm not sure what triggers the allow-hotplug interfaces to come up on boot - maybe someone else knows |
| 15:58.43 | JeffH | thanks |
| 15:59.09 | abrotman | norc: unless you're heavily using the netowrk .. i can't see anything other than a kernel bug or hardware/cabling |
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| 15:59.19 | jair | cast: I will check how the debian 3.1 has it configure |
| 15:59.35 | jair | cast: I have a sarge systema and the network comes up automatically |
| 15:59.44 | rhalff | hmz great, nothing provides fb-run |
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| 16:00.04 | abrotman | rhalff: for fluxbox ? |
| 16:00.04 | jair | abrotman: why in debian 3.1 sarge I can do => "/etc/init.d/networking restart" the network get restarted and the "eth0" come up. On the debian 4.0 if I run the command "/etc/init.d/networking restart" the network does not come back unleass I run "ifup eth0" |
| 16:00.12 | abrotman | !find fbrun etch |
| 16:00.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fbrun' (1): (/usr/bin/fbrun) in x11/fluxbox. |
| 16:00.21 | abrotman | !find xvfb-run etch |
| 16:00.23 | rhalff | hmz because it's xvfb-run, oops :) |
| 16:00.25 | dondelelcaro | jair: do you not have an auto eth0; stanza in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:00.25 | rhalff | yeah |
| 16:00.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xvfb-run' (1): (/usr/bin/xvfb-run) in x11/xvfb. |
| 16:00.37 | abrotman | jair: i'd have to see your interfaces file |
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| 16:01.38 | smacnay | Does udev supplant the discover package? |
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| 16:02.50 | jair | dondelelcaro: abrotman http://rafb.net/p/0905r536.html |
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| 16:03.40 | jeffy1 | hi |
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| 16:04.06 | kos_tom | hi |
| 16:04.22 | dondelelcaro | jair: yeah, dithc the allow-hotplog eth0; and add an auto eth0; |
| 16:04.33 | kos_tom | i'd like to know if Debian has a tool to check if all the files in /etc, /usr, /var are all parts of installed packages |
| 16:04.40 | dondelelcaro | kos_tom: cruft |
| 16:05.02 | kos_tom | dondelelcaro: yep, exactly, thanks ! |
| 16:05.04 | dondelelcaro | note that there will be some false positives, but cruft is the tool to do that. |
| 16:05.17 | jair | dondelelcaro: all right |
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| 16:08.07 | smacnay | Does one need discover or discover1 while also using udev? |
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| 16:13.00 | wols | smacnay: no |
| 16:13.20 | jair | dondelelcaro: Thank you very much :) |
| 16:13.25 | jair | abrotman: Thank you |
| 16:13.30 | jair | cast: Thank you very much |
| 16:13.35 | jair | it works |
| 16:14.03 | smacnay | wols: thanks |
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| 16:15.20 | JeffH | I just added the volatile repository and apt-get is telling me it doesn't have a public key available. Where do I get its public key? |
| 16:16.08 | jair | dondelelcaro: so now that is changed to auto, if I run the command to restart the eth0 it may disconnect me but then I will be able to connect again correct. |
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| 16:16.25 | o2T7 | hi |
| 16:16.35 | jair | I do not have any temporary route or anything on that network configuration |
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| 16:17.17 | o2T7 | how should I start my debian instalation at the fifth partition of my HD without my mbr's grub? |
| 16:17.24 | o2T7 | I mean using installation cd |
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| 16:18.50 | o2T7 | More exactly: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0 |
| 16:18.54 | o2T7 | part3 |
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| 16:20.12 | InsomniaCity | I thought Debian was anal about stuff being open source? How come there isn't an open source rar program, and apt-get defaults to the shareware one in multiverse? |
| 16:20.42 | jair | "so if I am restarting the network when I have "auto eth0" then I may disconnect if I am using putty or ssh to connect but after that I should be able to ping it or connect correct? |
| 16:20.56 | dondelelcaro | jair: yes; but there's really little reason to restart the network. |
| 16:21.22 | jair | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 16:21.23 | frank | debian doesn't habe a multiverse afaik |
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| 16:21.51 | ben_goodger | indeed |
| 16:21.55 | frank | s/habe/has/ |
| 16:21.57 | jair | dondelelcaro: cool |
| 16:22.05 | ben_goodger | InsomniaCity: rar is closed, and probably patented as well... |
| 16:22.13 | InsomniaCity | Get:3 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/multiverse rar 1:3.5.1-1 [246kB] |
| 16:22.16 | InsomniaCity | uh, what? |
| 16:22.18 | InsomniaCity | hold on |
| 16:22.20 | unlink | i'm restoring a backup, but i forgot to back up /dev (udev-based system). how can i recreate the files i need there to boot? |
| 16:22.23 | ben_goodger | ahem |
| 16:22.26 | InsomniaCity | THIS BOX IS RUNNING UBUNTU?! |
| 16:22.31 | stew | ben_goodger: its opensource but with a very restrictive license |
| 16:22.35 | InsomniaCity | EWWWWWWW |
| 16:22.41 | ben_goodger | stew: I see |
| 16:22.50 | matthiaswirtzeit | hi guys |
| 16:22.50 | matthiaswirtzeit | in installed a minimal debian etch system using the netinstall disc when the installer asks what to install (webserver,laptop,desktop,basic system...) i just checked basic system because i want to have my pc automatically launch freevo when i start it. in the background a webserver(apache2) , a databseserver (mysql5) and a fileserver (samba) where music video and audio is shared should run |
| 16:22.50 | matthiaswirtzeit | so in the moment there is no x-server running and no desktop is installed (gnome, kde) |
| 16:22.50 | matthiaswirtzeit | freevo can be configrued to run in the framebuffer |
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| 16:23.08 | ben_goodger | InsomniaCity: you can upgrade to debian, of course :) |
| 16:23.09 | h3sp4wn | Its in non-free |
| 16:23.09 | unlink | do you need anything in /dev in order to boot? |
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| 16:23.15 | InsomniaCity | ben_goodger: not my box :( |
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| 16:23.22 | InsomniaCity | ben_goodger: otherwise I'd have known it wasn't debian :P |
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| 16:23.50 | eddie | Does anyone know of a package to send data to a USB device? |
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| 16:24.40 | o2T7 | When i chroot to /mnt for running grub it at last says |
| 16:24.49 | o2T7 | "Error opening terminal: bterm" |
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| 16:26.25 | dondelelcaro | eddie: most of it is done in kernel modules. |
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| 16:26.50 | jair | dondelelcaro: Thank you then |
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| 16:27.14 | dondelelcaro | jair: np |
| 16:27.22 | o2T7 | Boot from debian CD choosing linux2.4 kernel (default) |
| 16:27.22 | o2T7 | Change to console 2 with alt + F2 keystrokes |
| 16:27.22 | o2T7 | Make a new dir to mount the boot partition, for example /disk |
| 16:27.22 | o2T7 | mount the root partition on /disk. |
| 16:27.22 | o2T7 | Do a chroot to the root partition: issuing chroot /disk |
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| 16:27.25 | oggis_ | what's up with libtunepimp5 being broken for a few weeks already? |
| 16:27.42 | h3sp4wn | oggis_: Its quite an easy fix |
| 16:27.50 | oggis_ | it just hasn't been compiled with libflac8 as far as i can see |
| 16:27.51 | h3sp4wn | oggis_: Just rebuild it |
| 16:27.56 | flami | Seems as if OOo has a problem converting an odt into a pdf . some letters are too close together ( e.g. ll appears like a fat l ) . they are allright in the odt |
| 16:28.09 | oggis_ | h3sp4wn: indeed, but why it hasn't been uploaded? ;) |
| 16:28.45 | h3sp4wn | oggis_: Dunno - it irritated me enough to rebuild it (against gnutls3 instead of 4) this morning and then stick it on hold |
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| 16:29.13 | unlink | what should be in /dev in a system that is powered down? |
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| 16:29.27 | Southern | Anyone here with bluetooth experience?? I try to connect from the laptop to the N70 phone through hcitools, but then in konqueror bluetooth:/ won't let me read the phone... |
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| 16:30.02 | abrotman | unlink: how would you know .. it's off |
| 16:30.25 | frank | booting a live cd and look |
| 16:30.28 | sharkylan | sorry i had been kicked because of sending to much (matthiaswirtzeit) has anybody said something ? |
| 16:30.29 | unlink | abrotman: you mount the partition from knoppix or something |
| 16:30.31 | h3sp4wn | oggis_: Its not actually a bug with the package or source it just needs rebuilding |
| 16:30.32 | InsomniaCity | abrotman: maybe he's got the drive mounted elsewhere? |
| 16:30.40 | abrotman | then it's not powered down! |
| 16:30.48 | jhasse | How can i set up a very simple mailing list? |
| 16:30.49 | abrotman | unlink: it depends .. if the system has udev .. nothing |
| 16:30.56 | abrotman | jhasse: how many people ? |
| 16:31.00 | unlink | abrotman: what is /dev/.static? |
| 16:31.06 | abrotman | from old devfs |
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| 16:31.14 | jhasse | abrotman: 6 |
| 16:31.24 | abrotman | jhasse: you could use an alias |
| 16:31.47 | cahoot_ | unlink, fwiw /dev on my bkup is fully populated |
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| 16:32.19 | jhasse | abrotman: But an alias, isn't that just for local mails? |
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| 16:32.38 | unlink | cahoot_: i'm currently restoring a backup |
| 16:32.46 | riot | how do i add repositories like "deb http://excess.org/ unstable main" to apt-proxy's config? |
| 16:32.46 | unlink | cahoot_: i didn't backup /dev |
| 16:33.38 | abrotman | jhasse: i bleieve it can do remotes also |
| 16:34.00 | cahoot_ | unlink, I suppose it's leftovers from when I run the bkup system |
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| 16:34.22 | jhasse | abrotman: do you know where i can get further information? |
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| 16:35.53 | abrotman | man etc-aliases ? |
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| 16:36.57 | ProwL | abrotman: synaptic asks for my debian cd, when attempting to install something. is there a sane solution to bypass this? |
| 16:37.15 | abrotman | ProwL: comment out the CD source line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:37.20 | ProwL | abrotman: thanks. |
| 16:37.24 | abrotman | ProwL: a # is a comment |
| 16:37.27 | t35t0r | does anyone have a working nxserver-freeedition setup working? what do i need to do with the keys in the nx user home directory on the server and client so that I can connect ? |
| 16:38.00 | abrotman | try #nx |
| 16:38.13 | karmatronic | t35t0r: i use to |
| 16:38.16 | karmatronic | used |
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| 16:38.43 | karmatronic | t35t0r: dont need keys |
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| 16:39.18 | karmatronic | t35t0r: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/freenx.htm |
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| 16:39.42 | t35t0r | wrong version |
| 16:39.57 | t35t0r | does anyone have a working nxserver-freeedition 3.0.0 from nomachine working? what do i need to do with the keys in the nx user home directory on the server and client so that I can connect ? |
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| 16:40.30 | karmatronic | t35t0r: nxsetup --setup-nomachine-key |
| 16:40.57 | t35t0r | WRONG VERSION |
| 16:41.01 | t35t0r | there is no nxsetup |
| 16:41.08 | t35t0r | don't talk to me if you don't know wtf you are talking about |
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| 16:41.36 | karmatronic | t35t0r: oh men |
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| 16:41.58 | jhasse | abrotman: No manual entry for etc-aliases |
| 16:42.16 | abrotman | man aliases ? |
| 16:42.23 | abrotman | man -k aliases will search |
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| 16:44.34 | abrotman | jhasse: you could also use a .forward i suppose |
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| 16:45.00 | karmatronic | jhasse: what a re you trying to do ? |
| 16:45.44 | jhasse | karmatronic: setting up a mailing list for 6 people |
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| 16:47.25 | abrotman | jhasse: you could just try "listname: address1,address2,address3" in your /etc/aliases and run newaliases .. and see what hapeens |
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| 16:48.51 | jhasse | abrotman: i did, but seems not to work. I have not configured a mail server or anything similar. |
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| 16:51.37 | abrotman | jhasse: that might be useful :) |
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| 16:51.58 | jhasse | abrotman: yes, but i have no idea how to do it. |
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| 16:52.28 | abrotman | jhasse: so you can't deliver mail at all ? |
| 16:52.43 | Spyro_boy | Yay. I got my USB working again. |
| 16:52.50 | Spyro_boy | It seemed to have been my kernel. |
| 16:52.53 | karmatronic | Spyro_boy: cool |
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| 16:53.17 | jhasse | abrotman: no, but i'm not sure |
| 16:53.21 | Spyro_boy | (if only I could get 32-bit emulation working again :/) |
| 16:53.23 | abrotman | you sohuld try |
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| 16:55.46 | Gat-man | hello friends |
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| 17:03.38 | bonez44 | I recently installed a new 400 gb hdd...I am running on one now that is 80gb..I have formatted and partitioned the new hdd....I can mount it...what's best way to copy my system, including grub for bootloader over to new drive? |
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| 17:04.59 | Pc_Dark | I'm considering migrating my windows PC to Debian as my room's server type thing |
| 17:05.07 | Pc_Dark | will it be able to handle print requests over network |
| 17:05.17 | Pc_Dark | i.e. it will work like windows for shared printers? |
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| 17:06.03 | Spyro_boy | That's why 32 bit emulation isn't working! |
| 17:06.10 | Spyro_boy | It's not enabled in my kernel! |
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| 17:06.47 | zinx | Spyro_boy: Oops. just use stock debian kernels |
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| 17:06.59 | artwood | hey I have install debian 4.0 |
| 17:07.01 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: yes |
| 17:07.13 | Pc_Dark | how hard is it to get working on SARGE |
| 17:07.14 | Spyro_boy | zinx, naw. I'll just recompile. I don't have a dual core for nothing. :) |
| 17:07.31 | zinx | i've been usin linux since '97, built a system from scratch and maintained it across the libc5/libc6 gap, and i use stock debian kernels now :P |
| 17:07.38 | artwood | I have a problem when I try to enter in other partition like FAT32 debian give me an error |
| 17:07.42 | Spyro_boy | zinx, haha. |
| 17:07.46 | abrotman | zinx: masochist! |
| 17:07.48 | zinx | Spyro_boy: i have a dual core not to waste time compiling kernels |
| 17:07.50 | baconbacon | Hi, did anyone have a freeze while netinst configure certain packages on vmwaew in Windows? |
| 17:08.03 | Spyro_boy | abrotman, lol. |
| 17:08.09 | baconbacon | ^^^vmware |
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| 17:08.32 | Crypticfortune_ | so, lets say that you suspect your box has been hacked (detected weird traffic going to some weird irc server blackhats.terenci.mobi-something, and an unusual amount of traffic).... what do you do? |
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| 17:09.16 | abrotman | take it offline |
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| 17:09.29 | karmatronic | Crypticfortune_: yes |
| 17:09.31 | abrotman | get your stuff .. change your passwords on any machines you've connected to from that box .. rebuild |
| 17:09.46 | abrotman | that's just a start :) |
| 17:09.47 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: lets say that it's also the departmental mail server and that would make a lot of people unhappy. |
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| 17:10.11 | karmatronic | Crypticfortune_: if you ve been hacked , you must put the box offline |
| 17:10.11 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: and mail store ? |
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| 17:10.26 | Pc_Dark | Ok guys I'm kind of scared, every time I've used SSH to a remote box, my ISP calls up and says abuse has been reported |
| 17:10.28 | Pc_Dark | help please |
| 17:10.30 | bonez44 | anyone doing home automation here, using Pluto? |
| 17:10.38 | artwood | hey help me when I try to mount fat32 partition it give an error |
| 17:10.42 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: yup both. if this is really genuitely hacked, people are going to be sad either way... =( |
| 17:10.45 | artwood | :( |
| 17:11.04 | karmatronic | Pc_Dark: maybe your ISP doesnt know what ssh is ... |
| 17:11.07 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: get the data off .. start building a new one .. burn the current one |
| 17:11.07 | bonez44 | Pc_Dark, so you attempt ssh your.remote.domain and they report you? |
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| 17:11.19 | Pc_Dark | it's happened 3 times |
| 17:11.23 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: you can't trust anything on that box |
| 17:11.24 | karmatronic | artwood: what kind of error |
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| 17:11.44 | Pc_Dark | I get listed in spamhuas right away |
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| 17:11.52 | artwood | is this: libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
| 17:11.52 | artwood | process 3964: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
| 17:11.52 | artwood | errore: il dispositivo /dev/sda5 non è rimovibile |
| 17:11.52 | artwood | errore: impossibile eseguire pmount |
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| 17:12.04 | abrotman | stew: ? |
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| 17:12.55 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: yup... i agree. unfortunately that particular box isn't really my responsibility so i'm not going to be the one to yank the plug. in the meantime i firewalled the offending addresses, but if it's seriously hacked i know that won't stop anything for long... |
| 17:12.57 | karmatronic | artwood: !paste artwood |
| 17:13.10 | artwood | libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
| 17:13.10 | artwood | process 3964: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
| 17:13.10 | artwood | errore: il dispositivo /dev/sda5 non è rimovibile |
| 17:13.10 | artwood | errore: impossibile eseguire pmount |
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| 17:13.14 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 17:13.24 | abrotman | !paste |
| 17:13.24 | dpkg | Please don't paste more than 3 lines here in the channel, use instead: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 17:13.28 | dondelelcaro | artwood: please do not paste here. |
| 17:13.41 | bonez44 | Pc_Dark, are you connecting from home to work, or vice versa or somewhere else |
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| 17:13.58 | artwood | I don't know it, aniway someone can help me |
| 17:13.59 | artwood | ? |
| 17:13.59 | Pc_Dark | home to friend's vps |
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| 17:14.08 | Pc_Dark | i used putty |
| 17:14.08 | dutchguy | where can I find the source package list file |
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| 17:14.21 | Pc_Dark | I'm scared to use ssh to monitor my box at home for this reason |
| 17:14.30 | karmatronic | dutchguy: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:14.36 | dutchguy | thx |
| 17:14.46 | Pc_Dark | even though over local intranet it shouldn't be a big deal |
| 17:14.59 | karmatronic | Pc_Dark: shouldnt you just talk to your ISP |
| 17:15.21 | Pc_Dark | I'm not the one purchasing it |
| 17:15.22 | bonez44 | I use putty on my wife's laptop..at home, to connect to my work network here... |
| 17:15.45 | artwood | I have just install debian I think is a common problem...how to mount a fat32 partition? |
| 17:16.09 | Crypticfortune_ | Pc_Dark: either way, your ISP is being a bit too paranoid, either talk to them or have the person buying it talk to them... |
| 17:16.10 | dutchguy | karmatronic, ehm, I'm actually looking for the source package list file of dpkg |
| 17:16.24 | karmatronic | artwood: mkdir /windows ; mount -t vfat /dev/sda5 /windows |
| 17:17.08 | karmatronic | dutchguy: hum , i d say it s the same |
| 17:17.34 | minerale | someone here told me they never install packages manually, they always wrap them into dpkg packages, soemthing about checkinstall and fakeroot and make install -- anyone know how to do it again? |
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| 17:18.13 | dutchguy | ehm, sorry i'm a noob, but i'm looking for al file which looks like "package: brotherhl1430," enz. |
| 17:18.18 | h3sp4wn | minerale: Are you using etch |
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| 17:18.28 | Crypticfortune_ | anyway, is there any way to track down what process is using some particular network connection? (in order to maybe find out how this box got hacked...) |
| 17:18.58 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune_: You can use lsof (but there is no guarantee they didn't install a trojaned version of it) |
| 17:19.05 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune_: (or a kernel root kit) |
| 17:19.08 | Pc_Dark | it's time warner cable |
| 17:19.12 | Pc_Dark | I don't think they're paranoid. |
| 17:19.19 | karmatronic | Crypticfortune_: netstat |
| 17:19.52 | h3sp4wn | Much more likely netstat is trojaned |
| 17:19.53 | dutchguy | i'm looking for al file which looks like "package: brotherhl1430," |
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| 17:20.11 | dutchguy | in a directory called dpkg |
| 17:20.20 | dutchguy | I can't find the directory |
| 17:20.25 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: and lsof no ? |
| 17:20.49 | h3sp4wn | karmatronic: Its less standard |
| 17:20.54 | artwood | karmatronic:ty |
| 17:20.56 | h3sp4wn | (not installed by default |
| 17:21.09 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: fuser -n tcp <port> |
| 17:21.09 | Crypticfortune_ | karmatronic: oo netstat -p. handy.....the fact that i didnt know about that makes me feel very inadequate to be dealing with this problem >_<;;; |
| 17:21.26 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune_: lsof -i -n -P |
| 17:21.34 | minerale | h3sp4wn: I sure am |
| 17:21.59 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman h3sp4wn : thanks |
| 17:22.12 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: let s say first step should be to run an integrastion ckecker like tripwire or... |
| 17:22.29 | karmatronic | s/integration/integrity |
| 17:22.37 | artwood | how I can control if I have 3d acceleration on ubuntu was glxinfo|grep rendering in debian? |
| 17:22.45 | h3sp4wn | karmatronic: I would just look manually around for obvious signs |
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| 17:24.18 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: well i wouldnt cos i m not sure it s so obvious you ve been hacked |
| 17:24.55 | karmatronic | h3sp4wn: artwood same command |
| 17:24.58 | h3sp4wn | karmatronic: There is things to check |
| 17:25.07 | h3sp4wn | karmatronic: missing times in the logs and stuff like that |
| 17:25.08 | Crypticfortune_ | ugh, they're running their program via cron whatever it is... but i don't see anything new in /etc/cron* |
| 17:25.23 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune_: What is the name of the program |
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| 17:25.31 | Jello | Hi, I've a problem |
| 17:25.32 | Jello | :( |
| 17:25.36 | Jello | little :p |
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| 17:26.04 | Crypticfortune_ | h3sp4wn: dunno yet. netstat -p just turned up crond as the owner of my myserious irc connections |
| 17:26.08 | Jello | how do I install tremulous? |
| 17:26.08 | Jello | http://packages.debian.org/stable/games/tremulous |
| 17:26.12 | artwood | but I have to install glx? |
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| 17:26.21 | Jello | Server01:/etc/apt# apt-get install tremulous |
| 17:26.22 | Jello | Reading package lists... Done |
| 17:26.22 | Jello | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 17:26.22 | Jello | E: Couldn't find package tremulous |
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| 17:26.47 | Jello | brb |
| 17:27.04 | Yea10354 | is debian good for a desktop ? |
| 17:27.11 | Crypticfortune_ | would tripwire (never used it before) be at all helpful to install and run at this point? |
| 17:27.13 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune_: So they may have installed a trojaned version of crond - backup and reinstall is the only safe thing to do |
| 17:27.41 | h3sp4wn | Don't backup any binaries |
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| 17:27.55 | Crypticfortune_ | h3sp4wn: yup, i agree and will get on it once i get some feedback from the other admins. |
| 17:28.21 | Crypticfortune_ | but right now i want to try to track down how they entered to make sure i don't put the same security hole back in when we reinstall... |
| 17:28.37 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune_: Is it running a fully patched etch or sarge ? |
| 17:28.41 | artwood | someone can give me a link to configure debian...like a guide..it's the first time |
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| 17:29.17 | Crypticfortune_ | h3sp4wn: almost fully patched etch |
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| 17:29.31 | Azar | artwood: which version of Debian did you installed? what do you need to configure? |
| 17:29.37 | karmatronic | Crypticfortune_: a cool option could be to run nessus from your intranet to check infected box |
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| 17:29.53 | karmatronic | Crypticfortune_: so you might find out why you were hacked |
| 17:30.04 | artwood | Azar: 4.0 |
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| 17:30.32 | Crypticfortune_ | karmatronic: worth a shot. |
| 17:30.44 | karmatronic | Crypticfortune_: also run nmap to find if some wierd ports are listening |
| 17:30.50 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune_: Did you look at the advisories on http://www.debian.org/security (probably relating to programs you have running externally) |
| 17:31.02 | Azar | artwood: ok and what do you need to configure? |
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| 17:31.40 | karmatronic | also backup important logfiles |
| 17:32.01 | Azar | artwood: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/index.en.html << general info |
| 17:32.33 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune_: Have you still got it online (or is it a remote box) |
| 17:33.06 | karmatronic | Crypticfortune_: but i also agree with h3sp4wn . to analyse the system , you should use trusted versions of bash,netstat,ps,... |
| 17:33.24 | Crypticfortune_ | h3sp4wn: it's a remote box. im home 2:30am on a saturday night. not when i usually like to be dealing with these things =( |
| 17:33.52 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune_: yeah |
| 17:34.17 | nivanson | how can I find out what module I am using for my soundcard? |
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| 17:34.44 | karmatronic | nivanson: lsmod | grep snd |
| 17:34.57 | nivanson | karmatronic: thank you |
| 17:35.18 | h3sp4wn | nivanson: or /proc/asound/modules |
| 17:35.23 | Crypticfortune_ | karmatronic: and no weird (obvious) ports from nmap... |
| 17:35.38 | nivanson | h3sp4wn: nice |
| 17:36.04 | karmatronic | nivanson: better |
| 17:36.11 | artwood | so glxinfo|grep rendering is also for debian? |
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| 17:36.16 | karmatronic | artwood: yes |
| 17:36.45 | karmatronic | artwood: debian=(ubuntu)^10 |
| 17:36.46 | artwood | karmatronic:bash: glxinfo: command not found |
| 17:37.09 | karmatronic | artwood: apt-get install mesa-utils |
| 17:37.19 | artwood | karmatronic:I hope |
| 17:37.32 | karmatronic | artwood: cos apt-cache search glxinfo said so |
| 17:37.37 | nivanson | Argh, I could not modprobe -r away the module since the device was in use. I keep getting my device locked up by flash player. I wonder if there is any way to reset the device since I cannot unload the module. (I am trying to avoid restarting since it takes alot if time each time) |
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| 17:38.04 | karmatronic | nivanson: lsof /dev/dsp to find which process locks the sound card |
| 17:38.12 | karmatronic | nivanson: or simply close firefox |
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| 17:38.31 | artwood | karmatronic:I have to change the sources.list?because don't find it |
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| 17:38.58 | karmatronic | artwood: apt-cache search glxinfo doesnt show anything ? |
| 17:39.15 | nivanson | karmatronic: closing epiphany does no change. lsof /dev/dsp gives no output either. |
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| 17:39.25 | kyrel | hello |
| 17:39.37 | artwood | karmatronic:show me an error |
| 17:39.46 | karmatronic | nivanson: lsof /dev/snd/* |
| 17:40.29 | karmatronic | nivanson: /dev/dsp can be used only if you have oss compatibility |
| 17:40.37 | karmatronic | artwood: what error ? |
| 17:40.39 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 17:40.41 | HardDisk_WP | is it possible to resize a ext3 partition? |
| 17:41.31 | karmatronic | HardDisk_WP: google seems to say no ... |
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| 17:42.04 | artwood | karmatronic:is in italian anyway..say that can't fint the package |
| 17:42.14 | Azar | HardDisk_WP: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions |
| 17:42.15 | HardDisk_WP | karmatronic, :( |
| 17:42.49 | HardDisk_WP | Azar, thx! |
| 17:43.08 | nivanson | karmatronic: ok, heres how it worked out: if i use flash player in epiphany, my sound device gets locked up afterward. if i later kill mixer_app (gnome mixer applet) and restarts it the device will be unlocked until next time i start flash player. thx, i can work around this now ^^ |
| 17:43.23 | karmatronic | HardDisk_WP: yes they re saying you have to first convert it to ext2 though |
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| 17:43.44 | karmatronic | HardDisk_WP: an other option is to run tune2fs and use partition magic.... |
| 17:43.47 | kyrel | During debian netinstall, they are options I can select to install "Desktop environment" and "basic system". Do you exactly know which packages are installed ? |
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| 17:44.33 | karmatronic | kyrel: if you select Desktop environment , too many anyway :) |
| 17:44.39 | HardDisk_WP | karmatronic, my friend says thats fully ok for him |
| 17:44.40 | minerale | is checkinstall a debian package? I could swear it was |
| 17:44.41 | karmatronic | kyrel: to my opinion |
| 17:44.55 | Azar | HardDisk_WP: howtos for Debian, bookmark it: http://www.howtoforge.com/taxonomy_menu/1/1/46?s=342e1e436293dbe34f6b6bd6c5b72602& |
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| 17:45.17 | kyrel | karmatronic, xserver+gnome-desktop metapackages ? |
| 17:45.20 | HardDisk_WP | karmatronic, btw, tune2fs -j /dev/sda1 turns a ext2 into a ext3 by adding just a journal^^ |
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| 17:45.58 | pablo | hi, i am compiling an app and it tells me i need the x window libraries, which package contain them? |
| 17:46.22 | wols | xlib-dev |
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| 17:46.58 | karmatronic | kyrel: xserver and gnome-core |
| 17:47.00 | pablo | wols: there is no such package |
| 17:47.03 | karmatronic | kyrel: fine for me |
| 17:47.23 | Yea10354 | if i want to install firestart will it 9install all of gnome ??? |
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| 17:47.42 | Amiga4001 | hi |
| 17:47.59 | karmatronic | Yea10354: no |
| 17:48.12 | Azar | pablo: apt-cache search xlib-dev .. if it finds it, install it: aptitude install xlib-dev |
| 17:48.13 | kyrel | karmatronic, K. And Basic system contains ? |
| 17:48.17 | Amiga4001 | does anyone know how to continue the boot process out of the busybox shell? |
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| 17:48.29 | karmatronic | kyrel: sorry ? |
| 17:48.31 | wols | pablo: may you use the grey matter and search for something like this? |
| 17:48.32 | artwood | karmatronic:nothing? remember that is the first time that I run debian, maybe I have to change sources.list? |
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| 17:49.14 | Yea10354 | karmatronic: so it will jus install depencies etc correct ? |
| 17:49.21 | pablo | Azar: xlib-dev doesnt exist |
| 17:49.23 | wols | kyrel: you can find out what tasksel installs: man tasksel |
| 17:49.36 | Azar | :) so your distro version does not have it |
| 17:49.47 | kyrel | wols, thanks a lot ^^ |
| 17:49.52 | karmatronic | artwood: check ig there s a line like deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 17:50.04 | Pc_Dark | does debian not support SATA |
| 17:50.05 | karmatronic | artwood: or italian... |
| 17:50.15 | karmatronic | Pc_Dark: it supports sata |
| 17:50.22 | wols | Pc_Dark: it does |
| 17:50.29 | Azar | pablo: would be helpful to help yourself and reveal what linux distro and its version you are using |
| 17:50.30 | Pc_Dark | why does it error then |
| 17:50.33 | karmatronic | Yea10354: yes |
| 17:50.45 | pablo | Azar: debian testing |
| 17:50.46 | wols | !tell Pc_Dark about smart questions |
| 17:51.09 | karmatronic | Pc_Dark: be more specific |
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| 17:51.19 | Pc_Dark | eh nevermind I'll use gentoo |
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| 17:51.29 | Azar | pablo: then probably that debian testing does not have an xlib-dev |
| 17:51.31 | karmatronic | ah ah |
| 17:51.35 | kyrel | I won't install anything more. apt-power ^^ |
| 17:51.57 | karmatronic | Azar: euh it does have |
| 17:51.57 | wols | pablo: what have you odne so far to find the right package? |
| 17:52.14 | pablo | Azar: apt-cache search & google |
| 17:52.31 | pablo | wols: apt-cache serach & google |
| 17:52.31 | wols | apt-cache search for what? and how? |
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| 17:53.14 | pablo | wols: apt-cache search x window system library dev |
| 17:53.49 | wols | pablo: too many keyaords. X11 |grep dev |
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| 17:54.36 | foo | Hm, every 10 minutes I see this in the logs: Jun 23 10:25:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[14352]: (root) CMD ([ -x /usr/lib/sysstat/sa1 ] && { [ -r "$DEFAULT" ] && . "$DEFAULT" ; [ "$ENABLED" = "true" ] && exec /usr/lib/sysstat/sa1; }) .... I'm trying to figure out what it is. No man page for sysstat. Any ideas? |
| 17:55.05 | Azar | hmmm trying to make sense from an italian forum: xlibs-static-dev? |
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| 17:55.17 | Azar | wols ^^^ ? |
| 17:55.18 | wols | Azar: no |
| 17:55.28 | Azar | ah ok, bad translation then |
| 17:55.47 | wols | !sysstat |
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| 17:56.17 | wols | foo: apt-cache search sysstat |
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| 17:56.42 | insta | I'm having trouble with a system I just build. it's got a linksys gigabit card running the 8169 chipset, is detected and brought up by the kernel, but transmits and receives time out. both the link and gigabit lights on the card and switch are illuminated. I've tried two different cables, two different ports, and even two different identical cards. ideas? |
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| 17:57.06 | wols | pablo: have you found it? |
| 17:57.34 | Azar | google won't help much since Debian Lenny has no wide-discussed specs yet. |
| 17:57.38 | wols | what does your kernel say? what are the error messages? |
| 17:58.05 | wols | Azar: it's the same in lenny and etch |
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| 17:58.18 | wols | insta: what does your kernel say? what are the error messages? |
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| 17:58.25 | karmatronic | insta: acpi problem |
| 17:58.26 | minerale | is checkinstall a debian package? how Ironic I have to 'make install' checkinstall :P |
| 17:58.31 | Azar | wols: ah... his apt-cache can't find it so it might be bad sources |
| 17:58.39 | wols | !info checkinstall |
| 17:58.39 | dpkg | checkinstall: (installation tracker), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.6.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 109 kB, Installed size: 536 kB |
| 17:58.49 | wols | Azar: not find what? he didn't answer |
| 17:58.58 | wols | !info checkinstall etch |
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| 17:59.14 | wols | !tell minerale about simple sid backport |
| 17:59.27 | wols | pablo: what are you trying to compile? |
| 17:59.28 | Azar | wols: he did apt-cache search xlib-dev |
| 17:59.32 | jetscreamer | insta: i usually have to change the allow-hotplug to auto eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces, but i dunno if that would help you |
| 17:59.42 | pablo | wols: an old qemu |
| 17:59.47 | wols | Azar: and as we all know by know it doesn't exist. was xlibs-dev in sarge iirc |
| 17:59.58 | wols | pablo: apt-get build-dep qemu |
| 18:00.04 | Jello | helo, I cant install 'tremulous'. I type 'apt-get install tremulous' but I get E: Couldn't find package tremulous (http://packages.debian.org/stable/games/tremulous) How do I need to install this? |
| 18:00.10 | insta | kernel version 2.6.22-rc5 |
| 18:00.16 | jetscreamer | there is an xlibs-dev transitional package iirc |
| 18:00.23 | pablo | wols: it has diferent dependencies |
| 18:00.25 | insta | whoa lag. |
| 18:00.31 | wols | jetscreamer: I thought so too but I couldn't find it |
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| 18:00.39 | jetscreamer | tremulous is in non-free or contrib iirc |
| 18:00.40 | Azar | wols: ah, well when he said he did not find it, told him his repost don't have that package |
| 18:00.47 | wols | pablo: it doesn't depend on X too? |
| 18:00.50 | jetscreamer | i just saw it the other day wols |
| 18:01.00 | insta | karmatronic: interesting response ... I have noapic and nolapic enabled on the kernel |
| 18:01.09 | Jello | anyone an idea? |
| 18:01.13 | insta | jetscreamer: eth0 is auto in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:01.16 | sussudio | %any ideas |
| 18:01.17 | badgers | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of sex-crazed kittens. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 18:01.36 | insta | wols: there are no messages, as far as I can tell the kernel is happy about everything |
| 18:01.54 | insta | the most I'll see is "link down", but when I add an IP address (since DHCP fails) it gives me a link up |
| 18:01.54 | wols | insta: no "link up" message |
| 18:01.55 | pablo | wols: a newer version ask for sdl or cocoa |
| 18:02.39 | jetscreamer | i might have seen: xlibs-static-dev - transitional metapackage |
| 18:02.41 | wols | how can it get an IP if the link is not up? |
| 18:02.55 | insta | I'm trying it without noapic now |
| 18:02.57 | wols | jetscreamer: no. I could've sworn there was a xlibs-dev transitional package |
| 18:03.23 | wols | pablo: since you still haven't found it (tho it was in the list from the arguments I gave you): libx11-dev |
| 18:03.23 | jetscreamer | yeah i don't think that's what i saw the other day |
| 18:03.48 | Jello | okay, I'm crazy.. why why why |
| 18:04.12 | wols | jetscreamer: go get the tgz already |
| 18:04.26 | wols | it's in sid btw |
| 18:04.26 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 18:04.35 | pablo | wols: apt-get build-dep qemu worked, thanks |
| 18:04.38 | wols | jetscreamer: should have been Jello |
| 18:04.42 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:04.50 | syntaxx | anyone know a howto install samba with ldap authentication? |
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| 18:04.56 | jetscreamer | fonts... messy |
| 18:05.00 | Jello | why can't I instal tremulous |
| 18:05.01 | Jello | :s |
| 18:05.15 | jetscreamer | Jello: it's in non-free or contrib isn't it |
| 18:05.25 | wols | cause back when etch was frozen, there was no tremulous |
| 18:05.28 | Jello | o, and that is? |
| 18:05.31 | insta | ok, watching the boot now, got "r8169: eth0: link up", both lights are on, but no DHCP response |
| 18:05.35 | wols | jetscreamer: it's in sid at least |
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| 18:05.39 | insta | I know the DHCP server is alive and well ... because this machine is using it |
| 18:05.43 | wols | Jello: last autumn |
| 18:05.44 | Jello | it's in contrib, but that means? |
| 18:05.53 | wols | !contrib |
| 18:05.53 | jetscreamer | Section: contrib/games |
| 18:05.53 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
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| 18:06.50 | insta | bleh, ping? |
| 18:07.33 | syntaxx | anyone know a howto install samba with ldap authentication? |
| 18:07.35 | foo | wols: I know what sysstat does... I use iostat from it, but I'm trying to figure out what this code is doing every 10 minutes |
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| 18:08.13 | nat | i |
| 18:08.18 | nat | woo |
| 18:08.20 | wols | syntaxx: ubuntu or debian? |
| 18:08.29 | nat | gah. itchy enter finger. |
| 18:08.44 | syntaxx | wols: im using debian |
| 18:08.58 | wols | why are you asking in #ubuntu then? |
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| 18:09.21 | foo | wols: hm, and when I run the command manually with --help ... there is nothing really that describes it, bah. |
| 18:09.41 | syntaxx | wols: since it using both apt i might get an idea |
| 18:09.58 | wols | foo: /usr/share/doc/sysstat/ |
| 18:09.59 | gnat_x | i am trying to set up suphp-common on an etch server, but it wants to use php4, and i wasnt to use php5, i have 5 installed, but suphp-common pulled in 4 and is using that. is there a way that i can force it to use php5? |
| 18:10.03 | foo | wols: aha, man sadc. sadc - System activity data collector. |
| 18:10.17 | wols | gnat_x: compile it for php5? |
| 18:10.36 | gnat_x | wols: ok, so the package version probably only does 4 then? |
| 18:10.52 | foo | wols: Now to figure out what good this does me |
| 18:11.09 | wols | gnat_x: check its dependencies. most likely yes |
| 18:12.20 | gnat_x | wols: hrm that's interesting: php4-cgi or php5-cgi |
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| 18:14.00 | Jello | thank you all |
| 18:14.22 | Jello | just searched on a good source (non-free contrib and it wrks) |
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| 18:14.50 | wols | gnat_x: install php5-cgi then and suphp after that |
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| 18:15.36 | gnat_x | wols: just did that. it works now. |
| 18:15.45 | gnat_x | wols: thanks for the pointers |
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| 18:17.28 | Rodger | does debian supports hibernate? |
| 18:17.38 | Spyro_boy | yse |
| 18:17.50 | Spyro_boy | Depending. |
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| 18:18.01 | Spyro_boy | APM/ACPI or no APM/ACPI? |
| 18:18.05 | karmatronic | Rodger: you mean during winter ? |
| 18:18.14 | Spyro_boy | rofl |
| 18:18.17 | Rodger | yes, like a polar bear |
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| 18:18.18 | Rodger | haha |
| 18:18.25 | karmatronic | ok :) |
| 18:18.39 | Rodger | I think I have acpi |
| 18:18.52 | Spyro_boy | Google. |
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| 18:19.14 | insta | meh, finally. has anyone come up with any more ideas for my r8169 problem? :/ |
| 18:19.17 | Spyro_boy | My lappy uses apm and apm --suspend works just fine. |
| 18:19.24 | insta | I haven't gotten anything outside of the suggestion to enable apic/acpi |
| 18:19.27 | Spyro_boy | insta, wireless chipset? |
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| 18:19.32 | karmatronic | Rodger: there s apackage named hibernate |
| 18:19.33 | insta | Spyro_boy: nope, linksys gigabit |
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| 18:19.43 | Spyro_boy | no idea. |
| 18:19.54 | Rodger | ok, I will check it out, thanks Karma |
| 18:19.55 | karmatronic | insta: noacpi acpi=off in your grub menu ? |
| 18:20.30 | Rodger | Karma, how did you send that message in brown? |
| 18:20.32 | insta | karmatronic: I didn't try acpi=off, just noapic / nolapic |
| 18:20.53 | h3sp4wn | insta: Did you try irq=poll |
| 18:21.07 | karmatronic | insta: try those options to be sure it s not acpi related |
| 18:21.23 | h3sp4wn | (If that works its definately a bios bug - hassle the motherboard company) |
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| 18:21.35 | el_isma | Hi! I'm setting up lm-sensors. Ksysguard shows me all the values correctly, but if I try to put the sensor on my taskbar it doesn't show the value. How can I fix it? |
| 18:21.48 | insta | h3sp4wn: I will try both of those in order then combined |
| 18:22.06 | insta | fortunately it's a relatively quick restart :) |
| 18:22.22 | insta | it's an old board though -- AMD-754 (Athlon 700MHz) |
| 18:22.39 | h3sp4wn | insta: keep a copy of /proc/interrupts (or remember the differences) |
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| 18:23.47 | insta | acpi=off didnt' fix it |
| 18:23.52 | insta | will try irq=poll |
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| 18:24.32 | insta | usb and the the ethernet card are sharing an interrupt |
| 18:25.01 | zinx | insta: that isn't generally a problem |
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| 18:25.27 | insta | well, and the onboard ethernet card as well |
| 18:25.31 | insta | that's not being used thorugh |
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| 18:26.05 | zarned | !x |
| 18:26.11 | zarned | !install x |
| 18:26.11 | dpkg | [install xf4] apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 18:26.19 | insta | still nothing :( |
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| 18:26.28 | insta | would dmesg help? |
| 18:26.29 | h3sp4wn | insta: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23423248 |
| 18:27.04 | insta | damn |
| 18:27.16 | insta | wonder if it's TCP only or just jumbo-frame related? |
| 18:27.24 | insta | I haven't changed the MTU size, but that doesn't mean it isn't changed |
| 18:27.48 | insta | wait, says TCP only |
| 18:27.53 | insta | I thought DHCP was UDP |
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| 18:28.32 | insta | this looks close to my problem though ... |
| 18:28.35 | h3sp4wn | Dunno - try a kernel from backports.org |
| 18:28.56 | h3sp4wn | I doubt they will be in a hurry to fix it |
| 18:29.23 | h3sp4wn | (as it existed in the first released version of the etch kernel) |
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| 18:29.49 | insta | what about 2.4 ? |
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| 18:30.26 | h3sp4wn | Too old |
| 18:30.33 | h3sp4wn | (maybe - not sure |
| 18:31.06 | h3sp4wn | insta: Its not in the archive anyway - you would have to get it from sarge |
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| 18:31.40 | insta | well, I'd just get it from kernel.org |
| 18:31.49 | insta | I dont' have a problem building a kernel for the machine |
| 18:32.02 | h3sp4wn | insta: Just get the latest stable kernel then |
| 18:32.09 | zarned | how do you enable the composite output for video instead of VGA? |
| 18:32.10 | insta | in the 2.6 branch? |
| 18:32.16 | h3sp4wn | insta: Yep |
| 18:32.21 | insta | I tried it with that, and 2.6.18 as well ... no go for either |
| 18:32.30 | wols | it's unlikely 2.4 will support all your hardware. or is this a really old machine? |
| 18:32.31 | insta | that's why I finally tried the -mm prepatch |
| 18:32.48 | insta | it's an old machine, slot-load Athlon |
| 18:33.09 | insta | but at that point I'll probably have a problem with my SATA card |
| 18:33.49 | h3sp4wn | insta: try - 2.6.18.dfsg.1-8 (from snapshot.debian.net |
| 18:34.02 | insta | dfsg? |
| 18:34.11 | h3sp4wn | (If you have the same bug as the bug report then that was the version it worked in) |
| 18:34.16 | h3sp4wn | or 2.6.16.x |
| 18:35.09 | insta | I don't know if it is the same bug though, because he said it didn't affect UDP or ICMP traffic. DHCP is UDP, and I still can't get traffic there, and transmits fail too |
| 18:35.28 | h3sp4wn | well find out |
| 18:35.34 | insta | fair enough |
| 18:35.57 | insta | strangely internet doesn't work on that machine :) |
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| 18:36.41 | Rodger | do you guys think i386 and i586 kernel are that different? |
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| 18:37.20 | xand | Rodger: neither are in debian |
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| 18:37.54 | insta | found 2.6.16 at backports |
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| 18:38.16 | Rodger | xand: the installation comes with i386 kernel if I remember correctly |
| 18:38.31 | xand | Rodger: no, it's i486 |
| 18:38.58 | Rodger | xand: ok, then the other one is i686? |
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| 18:39.07 | afaict | hi folks! i installed debian 4.0 crypto into my pendrive and I installed grub into /dev/sda. Now my computer boots. the pendrive blinks and grub does not loads |
| 18:39.12 | xand | one of the others, yes |
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| 18:42.05 | alafa24 | Hi! I have debian etch, and i' d like to install java for iceweasel with synaptic. What packages should i install for it? |
| 18:42.45 | norc | alafa24: sun-java6-jre should do it |
| 18:42.46 | norc | err? |
| 18:42.53 | alafa24 | thanks. |
| 18:42.55 | norc | maybe its the -plugin |
| 18:43.00 | norc | dont know, dont use java |
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| 18:43.29 | insta | h3sp4wn: damn it ... nothing :( |
| 18:43.30 | xand | java6 is not in etch |
| 18:43.39 | norc | Well, then take sun-java5 |
| 18:43.41 | afaict | i folks. I installed debian into my pendrive. I installed grub into /dev/sda. i cant boot with grub. It appears disk boot failure. it is a BIOS error. |
| 18:44.07 | insta | afaict: did you install grub properly onto the thumbdrive? |
| 18:44.11 | insta | I know the card isn't bad, it worked fine in windows |
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| 18:44.27 | afaict | insta: i did the default of debian installation |
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| 18:46.14 | dacs | hi guys |
| 18:46.23 | insta | maybe I'll try ##linux |
| 18:46.40 | dacs | i would like to connect my box to a 37" lcd will this work |
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| 18:47.13 | regulate | if you have a cable and a video card to plug it into, then yes, it will work |
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| 18:47.48 | dacs | regulate: i do , but do i have to reconfig the Xorg |
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| 18:48.49 | alafa24 | ok, i try to use synaptic through a very slow Internet connection :- ), but i don' t find any sun-* package.. |
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| 18:49.17 | wols | !tell alafa24 about install java |
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| 18:49.34 | wols | alafa24: not the non-free |
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| 18:50.05 | alafa24 | so contrib should i have for it? |
| 18:50.07 | xand | can someone tell me how to enable composite output in xorg please? |
| 18:50.31 | alafa24 | aa, would be easier to download from java.sun.com, and link it, but i need to do it through synaptic. |
| 18:50.31 | wols | *note the |
| 18:50.43 | wols | xand: tv out? |
| 18:51.10 | wols | alafa24: it's far from easier since then debian wouldn't install any packages depending on java |
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| 18:51.20 | xand | wols: yes |
| 18:51.26 | wols | xand: depends on card iirc |
| 18:51.31 | xand | x.org seems to have no user documentation |
| 18:51.38 | xand | stupid website |
| 18:51.43 | insta | xorg has great man pages |
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| 18:52.01 | insta | you have to check the man pages for your actual driver though, what card do you use? |
| 18:52.27 | insta | this network card is stupid |
| 18:53.00 | xand | this crap one: |
| 18:53.02 | xand | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade/i1 (rev 6a) |
| 18:53.56 | xand | I see, there's a man page per driver c.c |
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| 18:57.18 | ravelo | dpkg: is esniper backpoted to sarge? |
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| 18:58.23 | jhasse | Does anyone know a tool for automatic indent source code? |
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| 18:58.59 | Gnurdux | jhasse, you can configure most editors too |
| 18:59.03 | dondelelcaro | jhasse: most good editors have such a feature, and many languages have foolangtidy scripts to do it |
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| 19:00.44 | jhasse | Gnurdux, dondelelcaro: Do you know an editor? I need something to apply on existing code. |
| 19:00.56 | nivanson | jhasse: in vim you can type "=G" to indent whole file. |
| 19:01.10 | Gnurdux | jhasse, ah |
| 19:01.32 | dondelelcaro | jhasse: emacs or vim |
| 19:01.39 | Gnurdux | jhasse, in the future, i know you can configure vim if you like text, and kate if you like GUI, to indent for you |
| 19:01.58 | insta | anyone else have another idea I can try for the non-functional r8169 card? : ( |
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| 19:02.26 | zcram | /usr/bin/indent -bsd < your_file.c |
| 19:04.19 | xand | what do I need to install to fix this xorg error: could not open default font 'fixed'? |
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| 19:04.35 | streuner | !fixed font |
| 19:04.36 | dpkg | it has been said that fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 19:04.37 | simonrvn | !font fixed |
| 19:04.42 | simonrvn | ah, ok |
| 19:05.03 | streuner | !listkeys fixed |
| 19:05.05 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'fixed' by key (8): #debian fixed ;; _default fixed font ;; fixed font ;; fixed ;; #debian fixed font ;; _default fixed ;; fixedfont ;; _default fixedfont. |
| 19:05.24 | simonrvn | !font fixed is <reply>see also fixed font |
| 19:05.24 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
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| 19:06.15 | elbing | good guy, nice bot |
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| 19:06.56 | ravelo | does anyone here3 use a shell ebay sniper/bidder? |
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| 19:07.04 | jhasse | nivanson: i'm new to vim. If i type :=G i get E488: Trailng characters |
| 19:07.14 | ravelo | i found only two versions |
| 19:07.48 | ravelo | esniper sounds good, but i have to do a backport... |
| 19:07.53 | ravelo | to sarge |
| 19:08.11 | funky | hey travelo |
| 19:08.14 | peasse | hi , i need help : KDE system guard doesn't work anymore since this morning : the process list window is empty ! do yo know why? |
| 19:08.37 | ravelo | any hint for an ebay bidder/sniper? |
| 19:08.44 | ravelo | hio funky :) |
| 19:08.51 | xand | ravelo: no |
| 19:09.16 | ravelo | xand: k |
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| 19:10.26 | simonrvn | peasse: the daemon isn't running |
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| 19:10.58 | peasse | simonrvn : can i start it manually then? |
| 19:11.15 | alafa24 | wols: thanks. |
| 19:11.23 | peasse | simonrvn : because i restarted my pc but nothing changed |
| 19:12.03 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 19:12.03 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 19:12.14 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:12.32 | jhasse | Gnurdux: I need something to indent others code to my liking. Code::Blocks has a plugin, but i don't like it. Does any other Editor has something like this? |
| 19:12.33 | peasse | simonrvn : do you know how? thanks |
| 19:12.51 | simonrvn | everything you learned about computers you should forget when it comes to a real OS like debian, or any other *NIX |
| 19:13.15 | simonrvn | because windoze teaches you nothing except bad habits |
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| 19:13.32 | Gnurdux | jhasse, not sure.. apparently vim can indent, but i usually read code the way its written |
| 19:13.38 | peasse | simonrvn : yes for sure you're right i'm dumb ass |
| 19:14.05 | simonrvn | peasse: there's a neat little thing called "run command"... you're looking for ksysguardd |
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| 19:14.31 | simonrvn | peasse: no, you're not a dumb ass, but unices are very different |
| 19:14.39 | simonrvn | that's my point |
| 19:15.04 | peasse | simonrvn : ksysguard: WARNING: Failed to create avahi client |
| 19:15.10 | simonrvn | peasse: that 'run command' will be in your kde menu thingy |
| 19:15.40 | simonrvn | i haven't played with avahi, i don't know about why it's whinging about that |
| 19:15.43 | xand | grrr |
| 19:16.02 | h3sp4wn | peasse: If you are using kde - katapult is a quite nice program laucher (only thing that I miss from kde) |
| 19:16.03 | peasse | simonrvn : maybe that's the problem |
| 19:16.04 | simonrvn | oh crap |
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| 19:16.16 | simonrvn | hold please. health thingy. |
| 19:16.24 | nivanson | jhasse: no no, dont :=G it... just type it in without : |
| 19:16.35 | jhasse | nivanson: okay |
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| 19:16.51 | daidalus13 | hello. Anybody has an ftp client to suggest? I would like one that comes as standard with debian. |
| 19:17.02 | xand | stupid X is started on the vga output (I think) but not on tv-out :( |
| 19:17.08 | jhasse | nivanson: cool, works! |
| 19:17.10 | simonrvn | head started feeling dizzy... |
| 19:17.18 | zcram | /usr/bin/ftp |
| 19:17.26 | simonrvn | ncftp |
| 19:17.36 | jhasse | nivanson: thx! Do you know where i can set the style of indention? |
| 19:17.38 | simonrvn | ^^^ is mutli-protocol too |
| 19:18.21 | simonrvn | peasse: it would seem so... maybe you don't have avahi-* stuff installed, and it's looking for it |
| 19:18.43 | daidalus13 | simonrvn multiprotocol? |
| 19:18.47 | simonrvn | multi* |
| 19:19.00 | simonrvn | handles scp, http, and a few others |
| 19:19.28 | daidalus13 | you use it? |
| 19:19.35 | nivanson | jhasse: i suggest you either read the manpages or download gvim and let the gui help you with that |
| 19:19.44 | simonrvn | when i'm doing stuff like that, yes |
| 19:19.52 | jhasse | nivanson: okay |
| 19:20.00 | peasse | simonrvn : i think i'll use htop instead ksysguard |
| 19:20.06 | daidalus13 | simnonrvn: ok thanks |
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| 19:20.24 | daidalus13 | zcram : thanks |
| 19:20.30 | simonrvn | peasse: yeh, simpler, and also more informative, and less overhead |
| 19:20.32 | nivanson | jhasse: :set softtabstop=4 or what you like |
| 19:20.35 | daidalus13 | exit |
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| 19:20.53 | simonrvn | i have top running in a dedicated screen window most times |
| 19:21.44 | nivanson | jhasse: :set shiftwidth=4 if you want each 4 spaces to be replaced by a tab |
| 19:22.19 | nivanson | jhasse: now go on and read those manpages ;) |
| 19:22.30 | peasse | simonrvn : i've installed avahi-deamon, and the error is no more, but the window bug is still here |
| 19:22.58 | jhasse | nivanson: okay :) thx |
| 19:23.10 | simonrvn | "window bug"? |
| 19:24.19 | bonez44 | If lspci shows correct information about my onboard LAN NIC...and yet, ifup -a won't connect...is it my NIC or something else? |
| 19:24.56 | peasse | simonrvn : yes, as i said the ksysguard window is empty, i see the left column, but i don't see the process list |
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| 19:27.03 | simonrvn | that's because the ksysguardd isn't running, so the client can't show anything in its window. this is what i meant when i said you need to have it running (run command > ksysguardd) |
| 19:27.07 | phix | "I like tea and cakes for tea and cake time" |
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| 19:27.30 | phix | </random> |
| 19:27.53 | Yea10354 | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian main lenny |
| 19:27.56 | Yea10354 | is this correct ? |
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| 19:27.59 | Yea10354 | its not working |
| 19:28.04 | Yea10354 | i got sarge installed right now |
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| 19:28.43 | Yea10354 | its a base sarge |
| 19:28.46 | simonrvn | lenny is testing, sarge is oldstable, you'll want to upgrade to etch first, then lenny |
| 19:28.54 | Yea10354 | ooooo ? |
| 19:28.59 | Yea10354 | so i cant go striaght to lenny ? |
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| 19:29.10 | simonrvn | and don't use the us mirrors, they're already overloaded as it is |
| 19:29.27 | Yea10354 | can i go from sarge to lenny ? |
| 19:29.30 | simonrvn | it's recommended not to, for reasons of avoiding breakage |
| 19:29.33 | Yea10354 | or do i got to goto etch first ? |
| 19:30.34 | simonrvn | version first then section |
| 19:30.40 | zamuro | Yea10354: deb http://.ftp.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib |
| 19:30.45 | simonrvn | deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 19:30.53 | simonrvn | e.g. ^^^ |
| 19:30.54 | peasse | simonrvn : i launched ksysguardd with run command and by the konsole, and then i started ksysguard, but nothing changed, the proces list doesn't show up |
| 19:31.14 | simonrvn | peasse: meh. just run htop ;) |
| 19:31.26 | zamuro | I'd recommend you to go through etch before going into lenny, though... |
| 19:31.36 | simonrvn | i said this already... |
| 19:31.52 | peasse | simonrvn : lol, you're right, thanks for your help btw |
| 19:31.58 | simonrvn | peasse: np |
| 19:32.05 | Yea10354 | i added the lenny thing to my sources.list i did apt-get update ...... whats the next command i forget aptg-get dis--upgrade ? |
| 19:32.11 | Yea10354 | something like that ? |
| 19:32.18 | simonrvn | Yea10354: man apt-get |
| 19:32.32 | simonrvn | Yea10354: use aptitude, it's smarter with this sort of thing |
| 19:32.42 | Yea10354 | i already did apt-get update |
| 19:32.51 | Yea10354 | apt-get dist--upgrade |
| 19:32.55 | Yea10354 | i think is the nest command |
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| 19:33.05 | simonrvn | 1 hyphen |
| 19:33.37 | Yea10354 | ok working |
| 19:33.44 | Yea10354 | thanks simonrvn |
| 19:33.51 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 19:34.30 | Yea10354 | does apt-get clean get rid of all the old stuff ? |
| 19:34.56 | unlink | how do i mirror one device into another for backup purposes? |
| 19:35.19 | unlink | like cat /dev/hda >/dev/backup, but something that only sends incremental changse |
| 19:36.00 | Yea10354 | makes me nervous as hell when it says restarting sshd |
| 19:36.21 | Yea10354 | o shit |
| 19:36.23 | Yea10354 | ooooo man |
| 19:36.26 | Yea10354 | ooooo damn |
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| 19:36.44 | simonrvn | gets rid of *all* .debs downloaded, in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:37.11 | simonrvn | Yea10354: don't be, the session is maintained between restarts |
| 19:37.19 | Yea10354 | http://phpfi.com/244173 |
| 19:37.20 | raboof | Yea10354: restarting sshd shouldn't kill your existing sessions, does it? |
| 19:37.29 | Yea10354 | that part worked |
| 19:37.36 | Yea10354 | its that error i was talking about |
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| 19:38.31 | wols | Yea10354: did you dist-upgrade? with apt-get? |
| 19:38.33 | raboof | Yea10354: oh, yeah, I had that too recently, 'add-shell' got moved from one package to another for some reason |
| 19:39.03 | raboof | Yea10354: install the new 'passwd' package with dpkg, forcing it to install even though the newer debianutils isn't installed yet |
| 19:39.13 | raboof | Yea10354: after that the new debianutils will install and you'll be fine |
| 19:39.53 | Yea10354 | how do i resume it ? |
| 19:40.36 | raboof | Yea10354: just 'apt-get dist-upgrade' again should be safe i think - not sure |
| 19:40.50 | Yea10354 | lol ? |
| 19:40.55 | raboof | ? |
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| 19:42.15 | Yea10354 | will that work ? |
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| 19:43.07 | Yea10354 | so what do i have to do for this to work again ? |
| 19:43.57 | Yea10354 | raboof: help me out :P |
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| 19:45.27 | peasse | simonrvn : ksysguard worked perfectly in fact, i just had to create a new "worksheet" and drop the "process controller" in it, that's all. Sorry for the mistake, but now i know a bit more about ksysguard ;) |
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| 19:45.57 | Yea10354 | also whats the difference between apt-get and aptittude ? |
| 19:48.21 | ben_goodger | apt-get uses apt's dependency checking |
| 19:48.31 | ben_goodger | aptitude has its own, and combines apt-get and other tools |
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| 19:49.31 | Yea10354 | ok well could someone assist me with my problem |
| 19:49.36 | Yea10354 | right now i got a messed up system |
| 19:50.35 | Yea10354 | i jus did |
| 19:50.40 | Yea10354 | aptitude -dist-upgrade |
| 19:50.45 | Yea10354 | anf it look liked it finished |
| 19:50.47 | Yea10354 | i think |
| 19:50.50 | Yea10354 | it says completed ok |
| 19:50.54 | Yea10354 | does that mean i am ok ? |
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| 19:52.46 | Dalia1 | if i have a computer which is going to be used my many people of different nationalities, is it possible to install all the locales in advance? |
| 19:53.01 | Dalia1 | (also how?) |
| 19:53.14 | ben_goodger | Dalia1: yep |
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| 19:53.46 | ben_goodger | "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" ought to get you |
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| 19:54.11 | ben_goodger | sorry, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:54.23 | Dalia1 | cool, and is it obvious from there? |
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| 19:54.57 | ben_goodger | well, yes, you get given a whacking great list of language codes and character encodings and a tick box for each one :) |
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| 19:55.11 | ben_goodger | go for UTF-8 or UTF-16, in my opinion. |
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| 19:55.27 | Dalia1 | oh wow. well maybe i wont tick all ;) cheers man |
| 19:55.35 | ben_goodger | 's'ok |
| 19:55.46 | Dalia1 | oh, ben, what does that mean? UTF-8? |
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| 19:56.00 | ben_goodger | unicode 8-bit |
| 19:56.10 | Dalia1 | uh-huh. and that's better than ANSI? |
| 19:56.18 | ben_goodger | you mean ASCII |
| 19:56.21 | Dalia1 | yeah |
| 19:56.22 | Dalia1 | :) |
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| 19:56.39 | ben_goodger | it's better than the iso standard for western or whatever, yes |
| 19:56.47 | Dalia1 | why? |
| 19:56.48 | ben_goodger | hang on a sec |
| 19:56.54 | xand | for some versions of "better" |
| 19:57.06 | Dalia1 | !ascii |
| 19:57.06 | dpkg | well, ascii is american standard code for information interchange, or see 'chandra' for an example of a great use of ASCII characters in art, or http://www.asciitable.com/ |
| 19:57.16 | Dalia1 | !utf-8 |
| 19:57.16 | dpkg | methinks utf-8 is Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian to fix garbled man ... |
| 19:57.31 | Dalia1 | :S |
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| 19:57.47 | peasse | Do you know a vocal synthetizer for linux? |
| 19:57.51 | ben_goodger | with Unicode, Ι καν κομβινε alphabets and also add in lots of zany characters, ±∞, which work across fonts and systems |
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| 19:57.55 | eguzkia | kubuntu |
| 19:57.58 | ben_goodger | peasse: festival |
| 19:58.01 | lolipop | Hi all ! |
| 19:58.01 | zcram | peasse, there are a few |
| 19:58.11 | ben_goodger | eguzkia: debian only here. go to #kubuntu |
| 19:58.16 | ben_goodger | lolipop: hello |
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| 19:58.20 | peasse | ben_goodger : thanks, i try it |
| 19:58.47 | ben_goodger | Dalia1: did you see my previous message? |
| 19:58.51 | Dalia1 | ben_goodger: nice one. so it's just a coding system. |
| 19:58.57 | ben_goodger | yes it is |
| 19:59.08 | ben_goodger | handy for chinese and such too |
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| 19:59.20 | Dalia1 | ah that's fine, i probably don't need to know the tech behind it :) |
| 19:59.25 | ben_goodger | yep |
| 19:59.32 | Dalia1 | i'll go try. thanks again |
| 20:00.12 | lolipop | When i type |
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| 20:00.13 | lolipop | >netstat -an |
| 20:00.15 | lolipop | [...] |
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| 20:00.17 | lolipop | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3000 0.0.0.0:* LIST |
| 20:00.18 | lolipop | (...] |
| 20:00.20 | lolipop | How could I replace it with |
| 20:00.21 | lolipop | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3000 0.0.0.0:* LIST ? |
| 20:00.38 | dacs_ | wow 37" LCD is not bad to chat on |
| 20:00.40 | dacs_ | lol |
| 20:00.55 | lolipop | sorry about that :p |
| 20:01.05 | dacs_ | thank to all who helped me in this room to get it set up |
| 20:01.06 | jelly-home | ben_goodger: U ♥ UTF-8? |
| 20:01.16 | dacs_ | now |
| 20:01.34 | dacs_ | is there is a screen saver for a fishtank |
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| 20:02.09 | ben_goodger | I do indeed |
| 20:02.13 | arooni | hey everyone1 |
| 20:02.15 | arooni | ! |
| 20:02.24 | ben_goodger | hello, arooni |
| 20:02.31 | regulate | lolipop: you have to tell the service to bind on all interfaces |
| 20:02.33 | jelly-home | tired of the plain old fishtank? just put some cloth over -- there's a screen saver |
| 20:02.44 | arooni | i need to run this command everyday at say 2AM: cd /var/www/apps//current/ && rake s3:backup >/dev/null 2>&1; |
| 20:02.45 | Yea10354 | how can i check to see if my system has all the packages it needs ot be installed and that everyting is installed correctly ? how can i check this ? |
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| 20:02.47 | arooni | how can id o this? |
| 20:02.58 | lolipop | regulate: and how could I do that ? |
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| 20:03.50 | regulate | what service is it |
| 20:04.04 | lolipop | rails, a FTPD |
| 20:04.11 | lolipop | HTTPD, sry |
| 20:04.31 | jelly-home | arooni: man 5 crontab, then use crontab -u user-which-is-going-to-run-those-commands -e |
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| 20:05.24 | peasse | ben_goodger : looks good, but is there an option for french language? |
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| 20:05.48 | CharminTheMoose | should I use aptitude or apt-get? |
| 20:06.02 | ben_goodger | peasse: not that I know of, it's developed by scots and americans I'm afraid. of course, it's a matter of only months to make your own french one :) |
| 20:06.12 | ben_goodger | CharminTheMoose: aptitude is usually the best choice |
| 20:06.21 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: why do you ask? |
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| 20:06.48 | regulate | lolipop: you'd have to consult its documentation |
| 20:07.03 | lolipop | ok, i'll show :) |
| 20:07.06 | lolipop | thanks |
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| 20:07.25 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: I'd use aptitude exlusively to install and remove packages. However, there are some things that aptitude can't do but apt can. |
| 20:07.42 | metbsd | what thing, jelly-home |
| 20:07.59 | jelly-home | metbsd: eg. apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 20:09.07 | arooni | questions about: cd /var/www/apps//current/ && rake s3:backup >/dev/null 2>&1; .... 1) can i chain together as many commands as i want with '&&' ? 2) why happens if i dont direct input to /dev/null, do i see it instdout? 3) why do i always see the command 2>&1 ... what does this mean? |
| 20:09.33 | Yea10354 | does aptitude clean ...... clean out all my temp files ? |
| 20:10.31 | jelly-home | arooni: the commands after && are run _only_ if the command to the left finishes successfully (with exit status of 0) |
| 20:10.58 | jelly-home | arooni: you probably want to read bash faq or some shell tutorial type thingy |
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| 20:11.17 | jelly-home | !bash faq |
| 20:11.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bash faq is http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
| 20:11.17 | frank | Yea10354: this normally cleans /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 20:11.37 | LLcoolM | how can i restore my resolution of my xserver in case a game crashed and left it at an ugly resolution? |
| 20:11.54 | jelly-home | LLcoolM: xrandr, perhaps |
| 20:12.05 | Yea10354 | frank: how cna i make sure everything is installed correctly any command to check to see if everyting is htier sucessfully |
| 20:12.06 | arooni | how do i set the system time to 1:12PM PST? |
| 20:12.15 | jelly-home | arooni: man date |
| 20:12.38 | LLcoolM | jelly-home: there must be an app that can do it without parameter |
| 20:12.41 | LLcoolM | just forgot which one |
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| 20:13.03 | jelly-home | LLcoolM: I could be nasty and say "ctrl-alt-backspace", but I won't ;-) |
| 20:13.09 | Xenguy | Yea10354: apt-get upgrade ? |
| 20:13.30 | frank | Yea10354: hm, maybe something like 'dpkg -l | grep -v ^ii | grep -v ^rc |
| 20:13.42 | LLcoolM | jelly-home: only as a last resort |
| 20:13.53 | LLcoolM | would work, but i do not want to do that everythime |
| 20:13.55 | LLcoolM | -h |
| 20:13.55 | Yea10354 | apt-get upgrade gave a few errors |
| 20:14.09 | dacs_ | is there is realplayer for debian |
| 20:14.19 | jelly-home | LLcoolM: fix the application then? ;-) |
| 20:14.19 | frank | Yea10354: which |
| 20:14.32 | LLcoolM | jelly-home: doubt that, is wine emulated game |
| 20:14.41 | Yea10354 | o wow im really not understanding something |
| 20:14.53 | Yea10354 | why does it start and install postresql ? |
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| 20:15.15 | afaict | does anyone knows what option should I set if my computer starts and appears GRUB and freeze? in my amd64 turion grub works fine. with my desktop its freezing when appears GRUB |
| 20:15.16 | peasse | ben_goodger : i tried espeak, and the french pronunciation is quite good |
| 20:15.34 | jelly-home | dacs_: there's a package in debian-multimedia repository. Some free players are also supposed to be able to play (some) Real media |
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| 20:15.48 | arooni | jelly-home: can i change time zone though |
| 20:15.54 | jelly-home | !timezone |
| 20:15.54 | dpkg | hmm... timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 20:15.55 | arooni | is UTC a time zone? cuz thats what its set at now |
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| 20:16.36 | dacs_ | jelly-home: where can i get it |
| 20:17.01 | jelly-home | !tell dacs_ -about debian-multimedia |
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| 20:17.08 | arooni | ahhh coool |
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| 20:17.55 | metbsd | debian x window froze on my desktop, only netbsd works |
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| 20:18.03 | jelly-home | wtf, there's no tzconfig on my machine |
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| 20:18.36 | enyc_ | !FTFBS |
| 20:18.43 | zophy | arf arf |
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| 20:19.19 | jelly-home | enyc_: ftbfs? |
| 20:19.37 | arooni | what does this mean": A field may be an asterisk (*), which always stands for ‘‘first-last’’. |
| 20:19.42 | kingsley | How can I tell which device in /dev, if any, a new USB camera became after plugging it into a USB port? |
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| 20:20.00 | xand | kingsley: dmesg? |
| 20:20.21 | jelly-home | arooni: * means "for every possible value", so for eg. minutes, * means the same thing as "0-59" |
| 20:20.37 | ravelo | yeiihh, bid monkey seems to work |
| 20:20.43 | jelly-home | arooni: * * * * * .... "run every minute" |
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| 20:20.52 | enyc_ | jelly-home: aha.... turns out its a mis-spelling on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportNvu |
| 20:20.52 | arooni | ah ha |
| 20:20.53 | ravelo | also had to enter a new sources.list |
| 20:21.01 | arooni | jelly-home: you should be writing the man pages |
| 20:21.02 | arooni | ;p |
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| 20:21.18 | kingsley | xand: I thought dmesg might reveal the device also, but it only mentions "uhci_hcd and address 6" and "configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice". |
| 20:21.29 | kingsley | xand: Does that mean anything to you? |
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| 20:21.40 | jelly-home | arooni: you can always file a bug report with a cleaner description or replacement for some wording |
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| 20:28.06 | sandman | Is there a good open source speech-to-text software out there? |
| 20:28.55 | jelly-home | speech-to-text? voice recognition? |
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| 20:30.44 | Chris_abyi | hi! I'm searching for a good program to manage large amounts of pictures, for debian sarge, 3.1, of course. :) it should also have features like rating etc.. does anyone know a program like this? |
| 20:30.51 | Chris_abyi | would be great, really. |
| 20:32.12 | arooni | jelly-home: once i save a cron file, is it active immediately? |
| 20:32.47 | frank | jelly-home: maybe http://xvoice.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:33.19 | arooni | i mean once i save my crontab, is it acitvely immediatley |
| 20:33.30 | frank | engine is not oss |
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| 20:33.39 | dacs_ | i can't find the package that has the realplayer for debian , please someone help me |
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| 20:34.47 | jelly-home | arooni: with crontab -e? Yes. if you added a job to be run the next minute, it might be missed though |
| 20:35.09 | arooni | i added one two minutes from then |
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| 20:35.31 | arooni | 35 * * * * |
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| 20:36.08 | frank | sandman: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Speech-Recognition-HOWTO.html#FREESOFTWARE |
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| 20:36.41 | jelly-home | arooni: if it's say xx:35:yy, I suggest testing with 37 * * * * instead of 36 * * * * |
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| 20:36.56 | arooni | ahh |
| 20:36.57 | arooni | fair enough |
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| 20:37.43 | jelly-home | arooni: I think Debian's cron only reloads the file at the first minute and makes it active after that |
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| 20:38.46 | pragma_ | w/in 16 |
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| 20:40.19 | arooni | man i love all thse good tools |
| 20:40.21 | arooni | like cron |
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| 20:40.33 | arooni | and ... being able to seamlessly backup all my data to s3 |
| 20:40.36 | arooni | every night at 2AM |
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| 20:40.43 | rudenstam | dpkg crashing while replacing "login" is bad right ? |
| 20:40.44 | dpkg | okay, rudenstam |
| 20:40.52 | jelly-home | if the machine is working at 2am, that is |
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| 20:41.50 | blinx | I'm searching for the best email server howto, postfix/exim with ssl and encryptet passwords. Anyone can recommend me a good one? |
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| 20:42.09 | arooni | yeah but i mean still |
| 20:42.11 | Enverex | hrm, my laptop is using massively more power in Debian than it did under Ubuntu :/ It wont let me change the LCD brightness and if I try and change the speed of the graphics card using aticonfig it segfaults :/ |
| 20:42.13 | blinx | sorry, I forgotten the mysql feature. I want mysql |
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| 20:42.19 | arooni | the tools we have at our disposal are prety awesome |
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| 20:43.23 | dacs_ | jelly-home: i can't get it |
| 20:43.34 | Enverex | Is there likely to be anything I need to install to get everything to work properly? My battery is goinna run out too fast :/ |
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| 20:44.08 | peter_ | I head there are some winfonts for linux, what should I search in apt-cache ? |
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| 20:44.20 | jelly-home | dacs_: even after adding d-m repositories and doing apt-get/aptitude update? |
| 20:44.28 | regulate | peter_: msttcorefonts |
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| 20:44.54 | ck199346 | peter_: msttcorefonts |
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| 20:45.34 | peter_ | thanks guys :) |
| 20:45.35 | beoba | my computer appears to be automatically going into suspend mode. i checked the bios, and nothing in there is telling the system to do so |
| 20:45.39 | jelly-home | dacs_: which release of debian are you running? |
| 20:45.44 | dacs_ | jelly-home: i didn't do that because dpkg said i have to add a key |
| 20:45.45 | arooni | 2AM in 24 hour clock for crontab is just: 0 2 * * * |
| 20:45.47 | arooni | ? |
| 20:45.58 | jelly-home | arooni: correct |
| 20:46.01 | dacs_ | jelly-home: etch |
| 20:46.09 | beoba | coming out of suspend fails (requiring a manual reboot, fsck, and remount, in that order), so its starting to get fairly irritating |
| 20:46.15 | arooni | and that'll run everyday at 2 am |
| 20:46.17 | arooni | i love linux |
| 20:46.23 | jelly-home | dacs_: so you'll have to add the repo and add its key too |
| 20:46.32 | jelly-home | !marillat key |
| 20:46.33 | dpkg | marillat key is probably sudo aptitude install debian-keyring && gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --export marillat@debian.org | sudo apt-key add - ; or ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> or ask me about <apt secure> |
| 20:46.33 | beoba | anyone happen to know what package is causing the system to suspend on idle? |
| 20:46.41 | dacs_ | jelly-home: i don't know how |
| 20:46.55 | jelly-home | dacs_: read what dpkg said above ^^ |
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| 20:47.16 | regulate | beoba: is it a laptop with low battery power? |
| 20:47.21 | ck199346 | hi, running debian/sid here and looking for a XEN enabled kernel |
| 20:47.28 | beoba | no, its a desktop |
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| 20:47.44 | Enverex | Is there anything I should be doing to get full functionality on a laptop? |
| 20:48.07 | ck199346 | dpkg does not know any xen kernels |
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| 20:48.11 | grew | thats the most vague question ever |
| 20:48.13 | jelly-home | dacs_: or read http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ ... "The first pakcage to install is debian-multimedia-keyring. -- apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring" |
| 20:48.16 | beoba | the crap in the kernel messages (what youd see in dmesg) says that its decompressing a suspend image, or something |
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| 20:48.25 | grew | ck199346: compile your own |
| 20:48.36 | jelly-home | !tell ck199346 about search |
| 20:48.39 | beoba | i'd get you the message, but of course the system locks hard after it tries to load said image |
| 20:48.47 | jelly-home | grew: why? |
| 20:48.52 | ck199346 | grew: I could only find patches for 2.6.18 |
| 20:49.00 | ck199346 | running 2.6.22-rc4 here |
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| 20:49.35 | Enverex | hrm, my laptop is using massively more power in Debian than it did under Ubuntu :/ It wont let me change the LCD brightness and if I try and change the speed of the graphics card using aticonfig it segfaults :/ Am I missing something obvious I should be doing here? |
| 20:49.35 | Dalia1 | bengoodger: well i think that worked. it's enfuriating that IVMAN wont even let me read my external HDDs though. you don't know how to fix that do you? |
| 20:49.49 | ck199346 | jelly-home: thanks, but as I said: dpkg/apt does not know any xen kernels |
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| 20:50.35 | ck199346 | i386 here... |
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| 20:51.08 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6.18-xen-686 |
| 20:51.13 | dacs_ | jelly-home: i got this |
| 20:51.24 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686 |
| 20:51.26 | bengoodger | Dalia1: what in hell is IVMAN? |
| 20:51.31 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 20:51.35 | mnguyen | so I'm installed debian etch, and ran through the printer wizard and detected and installed my printer... but whenever I print it just shows the job status of the print job as "Stopped" anybody know why? |
| 20:52.00 | bengoodger | printing is one of those things that is really, really broken in linux |
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| 20:52.15 | regulate | works fine for me |
| 20:52.22 | jelly-home | dacs_: don't paste here if it's more than 2-3 lines |
| 20:52.29 | jelly-home | dacs_: use a pastebin |
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| 20:52.33 | EvilSporkMan | anyone else have dchroot suddenly borked on lenny? |
| 20:52.52 | jelly-home | ck199346: funny, I could swear there were some |
| 20:53.06 | ck199346 | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/586430 |
| 20:53.08 | Dalia1 | bedgooder: it's a mount manager |
| 20:53.27 | ck199346 | yeah, I really thought since etch got xen kernels, sid does too |
| 20:53.31 | Dalia1 | ...a frrekin awful one to set up |
| 20:53.31 | bengoodger | Dalia1: no, sorry, haven't a clue |
| 20:53.35 | Dalia1 | :( |
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| 20:54.15 | Enverex | *sighs* Is there a channel that I'm more likely to get help in? |
| 20:54.32 | Dalia1 | well if anyone does have a clue EVER. PLEASE tell me. I can't think why linux devs always make other volumes inaccessible |
| 20:54.44 | regulate | what? |
| 20:54.56 | regulate | the VFS is designed exactly with that in mind |
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| 20:58.07 | Enverex | The brightness controls on my laptop don't work, what do I need to do to get them working? |
| 20:58.15 | mnguyen | how do I share a printer hooked up to my debian machine with my MAC? |
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| 20:59.23 | ck199346 | mnguyen: use IPP, cups could help here |
| 20:59.25 | jelly-home | Enverex: try searching for brand-specific utilities |
| 20:59.36 | Enverex | jelly-home, I didn't, nothing showed |
| 20:59.42 | rudenstam | is the libgnutls11 not needed in etch ? (about to update sarge and it's listed under "unsatisfied dependencies" |
| 20:59.46 | jelly-home | Enverex: which laptop? |
| 21:00.01 | Enverex | jelly-home, Asus F3Jp |
| 21:00.47 | jelly-home | Enverex: there also might be a kernel module to expose funny stuff, like ibm-acpi |
| 21:01.04 | jelly-home | Enverex: ... and indeed: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/asus_acpi.ko |
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| 21:01.09 | ck199346 | rudenstam: afaik, etch/i386 has libgnutls13 |
| 21:01.35 | rudenstam | ck199346: hmm.. it's not in the package list that it's going to upgrade.. perhaps I already got it... I'll check |
| 21:01.44 | peter_ | Enverex, while I was installing debian, I had to also chose "laptop packages" (it is when you chose *graphic menager* and others) |
| 21:01.53 | Enverex | peter_, I installed that |
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| 21:02.01 | Enverex | jelly-home, Doesn't seem to have helped |
| 21:02.06 | esters | just a silly questio, how can i remove package with it's dependencies, for example i have package "foo" and i wan't to remove packages "bar" "too" on which package "foo" depends |
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| 21:02.35 | Enverex | Asus Laptop ACPI Extras version 0.30 unsupported model F3JP, trying default values send /proc/acpi/dsdt to the developers |
| 21:02.38 | jelly-home | Enverex: also, how did you search? even a plain "apt-cache search asus" seems to bring up, among other stuff, a package called acpi-support |
| 21:03.05 | Enverex | jelly-home, That's installed |
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| 21:03.13 | jelly-home | Enverex: well, there you go, send them the DSDT and wait patiently for support ;-) |
| 21:03.38 | Enverex | jelly-home, That's a kernel message though, I doubt that would have been any different on Ubuntu |
| 21:03.41 | jelly-home | Enverex: or try a newer kernel (if you're using one from the distro) |
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| 21:04.10 | jelly-home | Enverex: did stuff appear in /proc/acpi after modprobing? |
| 21:04.45 | jelly-home | Enverex: my machine has all sorts of things in /proc/acpi/ibm |
| 21:04.50 | beoba | dpkg: why is gimp broken |
| 21:04.59 | beoba | dpkg: how does this thing work :( |
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| 21:05.12 | jelly-home | beoba: dpkg is a bot, it's not very smart |
| 21:05.15 | Enverex | jelly-home, Lots in /proc/acpi |
| 21:05.25 | beoba | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:05.42 | jelly-home | Enverex: I mean something new after asus_acpi was loaded |
| 21:05.50 | Enverex | jelly-home, I didn't see it before hand... |
| 21:06.27 | Enverex | jelly-home, No, doesn't look like it |
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| 21:07.11 | jelly-home | Enverex: this is why I bought a thinkpad :-D |
| 21:07.22 | peter_ | Enverex, hm... I gues you are talking about "Fn" button + some FX where X is 1..9. Does other function works, like turn on/off touchpad? |
| 21:07.53 | Enverex | jelly-home, It worked fine with Ubuntu though, I thought it would under Debian... |
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| 21:08.17 | eguzkia | sorry the library to listen mp3 |
| 21:08.21 | eguzkia | sorry the library to listen mp3? |
| 21:08.22 | Enverex | peter_, The screen backlight one works, but I dont know which are hardware |
| 21:08.59 | Enverex | (and which ask the OS to do it) |
| 21:09.01 | alper | soldat://srl.clanplanet.co.uk:23073/rr |
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| 21:09.24 | ck199346 | eguzkia: 'apt-cache search lib | grep mp3'? |
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| 21:09.53 | ck199346 | or, maybe the other way around... |
| 21:10.06 | ck199346 | depends on what you're looking for |
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| 21:10.56 | jelly-home | Enverex: ubuntu does a lot of fine tuning to make initial setup work nicely |
| 21:11.22 | Enverex | jelly-home, I know, I just thought this was kernel or something so it would work regardless : |
| 21:11.23 | Enverex | :/ |
| 21:11.29 | Enverex | but obviously not |
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| 21:11.48 | jelly-home | Enverex: it could be (also) the kernel, if they use a newer version |
| 21:12.09 | Enverex | jelly-home, No, it was ok with .19 and I'm on .21 now |
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| 21:13.16 | jelly-home | Enverex: eh. the only thing to do is to find out which package ubuntu has and what custom config changes, and port them into debian :-| |
| 21:13.24 | jelly-home | packages* |
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| 21:14.16 | Binary | Good Evening All |
| 21:14.17 | kingsley | Is there a user-friendly and GUI driven application for finding images on USB ports, displaying them, editing them with the gimp, and deleting them? |
| 21:14.23 | ck199346 | fwiw: after "dpkg --clear-avail", dpkg --get-selections does not show any xen images any more |
| 21:14.23 | Binary | and what A fantastic evening it is |
| 21:14.32 | jelly-home | Enverex: basically this is one of the things Ubuntu is better at |
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| 21:15.03 | Enverex | jelly-home, I have no idea what it was though and my battery is going down quick. Doesn't explain why aticonfig is segfaulting iether |
| 21:15.04 | jelly-home | kingsley: uh, what do usb ports have to do with images? |
| 21:15.23 | jelly-home | ck199346: they're gone, jim |
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| 21:16.09 | ck199346 | :( |
| 21:16.32 | ck199346 | so, I shall downgrade to lenny to get xen kernels? |
| 21:16.34 | ck199346 | hm. |
| 21:16.34 | kingsley | jelly-home: Please accept my apology for being terse. The user-friendly application should ideally automatically find which usb port a camera's memory stick is pluged into. |
| 21:16.43 | Binary | downgrade to lenny? |
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| 21:16.51 | Binary | u running sid? |
| 21:16.56 | ck199346 | Binary: yes |
| 21:17.09 | Binary | ck199346 : I see, tried sid its a crazy place |
| 21:17.19 | Binary | ck199346 : exciting and arousing though! |
| 21:17.24 | ck199346 | hehe, runnning sid for years now, it's fun |
| 21:17.58 | jelly-home | kingsley: well, if it looks like usb-storage, a file browser with hal/dbus support will detect it and you should be able to mount it |
| 21:18.14 | ck199346 | and, I normally don't run debian kernels, but as I don't find any recent patches for xen, I thought I might try it the debian way for once |
| 21:18.15 | cahoot | kingsley: in gnome - set nautilus to open with gimp |
| 21:18.16 | cahoot | + |
| 21:18.40 | jelly-home | kingsley: in xfce's Thunar, for example, I can double-click an usb device to "mount" it and open the folder |
| 21:18.57 | jelly-home | kingsley: probably similar with Gnome or KDE |
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| 21:19.58 | jelly-home | kingsley: um, there may be special image browsers but I have no idea whatsoever what's available or what is good |
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| 21:22.40 | Rodger | hello everyone |
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| 21:22.57 | Rodger | I have a Windows XP PC with three patitions |
| 21:23.05 | Rodger | I want to install Debian onto the second one |
| 21:23.29 | Rodger | which starts on 7.0G and is about 5G in size |
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| 21:23.41 | Rodger | I am at the patition stage |
| 21:24.12 | Rodger | should I make this second partition the new boot partition? |
| 21:24.54 | cahoot | Rodger: you don't neccessarily need a /boot |
| 21:25.07 | Rodger | cahoot: oh? |
| 21:25.18 | cahoot | Rodger: as an own partition |
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| 21:25.52 | Rodger | cahoot: so I can just set my "/" there and install everything there, without setting it to be my boot |
| 21:26.01 | cahoot | Rodger: or did you really mean bootloader? |
| 21:26.21 | Rodger | cahoot: I mean the boot flag |
| 21:26.36 | Rodger | during the debian installation |
| 21:26.56 | tralala | Rodger, what's on your other partition? |
| 21:26.58 | cahoot | Rodger: I'm no expert but AFAIK 'boot flag' has no meaning for linux |
| 21:27.17 | Rodger | I have windows boot at the first partition, which is about 7G |
| 21:27.24 | Rodger | then the second partion is empty |
| 21:27.29 | tralala | Rodger, don't set the boot flag |
| 21:27.40 | Rodger | then the third is ntfs partiton that has all my data |
| 21:27.56 | Rodger | tralala: thanks |
| 21:27.57 | jelly-home | boot flag has meaning for DOS or Windows (up to XP) MBR |
| 21:27.59 | regulate | mount your 2nd part as / |
| 21:28.08 | regulate | and install grub on mbr |
| 21:28.09 | Feto | how do I set my timezone? |
| 21:28.17 | regulate | Rodger: these partitions are on the same drive y/n? |
| 21:28.24 | ck199346 | Feto: tzconfig |
| 21:28.25 | tralala | Feto, tzconfig |
| 21:28.26 | Rodger | regulate: yes |
| 21:28.32 | Feto | thanks, thankss >) |
| 21:28.53 | Feto | arrg |
| 21:28.56 | ck199346 | Feto: tzselect, whops |
| 21:29.11 | ck199346 | hm, I could swear it was tzconfig |
| 21:29.11 | Rodger | gegulate: does it matter? |
| 21:29.15 | tralala | jelly-home, export TZ="Europe/London" for exmaple |
| 21:29.18 | regulate | Rodger: install grub on the mbr , it will find your windows partition too |
| 21:29.19 | jelly-home | ck199346: it is in stable |
| 21:29.41 | jelly-home | tralala: ya but system-wide |
| 21:29.52 | Rodger | regulate: by mbr you mean my second partion? |
| 21:29.59 | ck199346 | jelly-home: what's "stable"? *gg* |
| 21:30.00 | Feto | aparently it wants to set my clock to UTC |
| 21:30.01 | regulate | no i mean your master boot record |
| 21:30.07 | Rodger | regulate: which will become my "/"? |
| 21:30.10 | jelly-home | dpkg, timezone is also or tzselect after etch |
| 21:30.10 | dpkg | jelly-home: okay |
| 21:30.11 | Feto | how do I tell it not to? |
| 21:30.20 | Feto | aparently my tz is set correctly |
| 21:30.22 | cahoot | Feto: thats set in /etc/default/rcS |
| 21:30.41 | Feto | uh yeah |
| 21:30.42 | Feto | UTC=yes |
| 21:30.57 | steve_ | rodger: / will be the 2nd partition |
| 21:31.05 | cahoot | Feto: change to no if you want |
| 21:31.05 | steve_ | the root partition |
| 21:31.09 | Feto | then what? |
| 21:31.11 | Feto | reboot? |
| 21:31.16 | Rodger | so mbr="/"? |
| 21:31.17 | tralala | jelly-home, tzselect is not the same as tzconfig |
| 21:31.30 | Feto | how do I make that effective? |
| 21:32.06 | regulate | Rodger: mbr is in the first 512bytes of your drive, grub sits there and figures out all your partitions |
| 21:32.34 | Quintin | How do I get UserDir in apache2 on debian ? |
| 21:32.49 | Rodger | so no matter where I set my / for my Debian, grub will always be on the first 512bytes |
| 21:33.04 | peter_ | I have great Joke ;) about Bill Gates, his son and linux :) Wanna hear? :) |
| 21:33.04 | tralala | Rodger, yes |
| 21:33.07 | cahoot | Rodger: if you tell it to |
| 21:33.09 | Rodger | and it will find my Windows XP and make it dual boot ? |
| 21:33.13 | regulate | yes, if you tell the installer to install grub on the mbr |
| 21:33.28 | jelly-home | Quintin: maaybe a2enomd userdir ? |
| 21:33.29 | Rodger | great |
| 21:33.33 | Quintin | peter_: yes |
| 21:33.37 | Rodger | I will go ahead with it now |
| 21:33.39 | jelly-home | Quintin: a2enmod* |
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| 21:33.54 | Quintin | jelly-home: thanks, I was trying "mod_userdir" |
| 21:33.54 | peter_ | Quintin, ok but I have to translate this one so stay turned :) |
| 21:33.57 | Feto | cahoot: how do I make teh change effective without rebooting? |
| 21:34.07 | Quintin | peter_: You have two minutes. |
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| 21:34.23 | Rodger | one more question, should I choose ext3 or ext2? |
| 21:34.30 | tralala | Rodger, ext3 |
| 21:34.31 | Feto | 3 imo |
| 21:34.32 | jelly-home | Quintin: that is it, a2enmod is just a script to symlink the config and the modules to make them load |
| 21:34.32 | cahoot | Feto: I suppose there's an init script one couldrestart |
| 21:34.36 | Quintin | Rodger: what are you doing? what partition? |
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| 21:34.49 | Feto | cahoot: i expect so, but i don't know... do you know? |
| 21:34.56 | Rodger | well on my debian partition (i.e. the 2nd partition) |
| 21:34.58 | cahoot | Feto: sorry no |
| 21:35.03 | Feto | oh ok thanks >) |
| 21:35.10 | Feto | i'm just gonnna reboot |
| 21:35.11 | tralala | Feto, grep rcS /etc/init.d -r |
| 21:35.16 | Feto | tahnks tralala :D |
| 21:35.26 | Feto | i would've hated rebooting |
| 21:35.46 | steve_ | rodger, i'd also choose ext3 |
| 21:35.53 | cahoot | if you set clock bak you'll earn uptime |
| 21:36.05 | Quintin | Rodger: XFS. duh |
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| 21:36.34 | dimsuz | hi! can I use packages from experimental while running on debian testing? |
| 21:36.47 | Quintin | dimsuz: probably. probably be kind of dumb though |
| 21:36.49 | dimsuz | can I have both sources in sources.list? |
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| 21:37.01 | Quintin | dimsuz: if you want more up to date software, I would use ubuntu really |
| 21:37.03 | tralala | dimsuz, there are easier ways to break your OS |
| 21:37.14 | h3sp4wn | dimsuz: You can have both in without the risk of pulling things you don't want |
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| 21:37.24 | h3sp4wn | dimsuz: experimental is priority 1 |
| 21:37.28 | SmallR2002 | can someone point me to a page about /dev/input and the various nodes within? |
| 21:37.47 | Rodger | ok, now Debian is asking me where is my swap? |
| 21:37.53 | nvz | dimsuz: experimental isnt a full debian dist its only for highly experimental packages |
| 21:37.58 | Quintin | Rodger: you have to make a swap partition or swapfile |
| 21:37.58 | dimsuz | h3sp4wn: tralala: what to do for example if i _want_ digikam 0.9.2 and it's only in experimental |
| 21:38.05 | h3sp4wn | dimsuz: Depends what it is |
| 21:38.11 | dimsuz | nvz: i know :) |
| 21:38.12 | Feto | ready |
| 21:38.13 | Rodger | now, what do I do |
| 21:38.13 | Feto | >) |
| 21:38.15 | h3sp4wn | dimsuz: Don't just pull that from experimental |
| 21:38.29 | dimsuz | Quintin: I like Debian more ;) |
| 21:38.30 | Rodger | I've only have this 2nd partition to spare |
| 21:38.32 | Quintin | Rodger: and you *are* using XFS, right? It's like a bajillion times faster than ext |
| 21:38.33 | SmallR2002 | dimsuz, digikam you might want to compile, i've picked up the odd bug with the experimental version |
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| 21:38.48 | nvz | dimsuz: so then why would you ask if you could use it with another branch.. thats obvious without another branch its useless |
| 21:38.50 | Rodger | Quintin: XFS? |
| 21:38.50 | dimsuz | h3sp4wn: what should I do then? |
| 21:38.51 | h3sp4wn | dimsuz: Its in sid anyway not experimental |
| 21:38.53 | Quintin | Rodger: yes |
| 21:38.58 | Rodger | is that an option? |
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| 21:39.03 | h3sp4wn | dimsuz: (at least on amd64 - /msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 21:39.10 | Rodger | let me see |
| 21:39.11 | jelly-home | Rodger: you have remove that partition and make two smaller ones, or you can set up a swap file later |
| 21:39.14 | peter_ | Quintin, ok I have joke transladted ;) |
| 21:39.15 | Quintin | Rodger: no. I'm telling you to do the impossible because it amuses me. what the fuck do you think? |
| 21:39.25 | dimsuz | h3sp4wn: nope. i386 here :) and it's in experimental :) |
| 21:39.45 | cahoot | Quintin: you really propose he uses xfs? |
| 21:39.45 | Quintin | peter_: woo |
| 21:39.46 | h3sp4wn | dimsuz: Well do the same thing anyway |
| 21:39.52 | dimsuz | nvz: i don't have kde3 development environment. only kde4 ;) |
| 21:39.55 | peter_ | Son of Bill gates is asking his father: |
| 21:39.55 | peter_ | - Dad... I am old enought, I would like to have my first sex with women, but how should I ask here to do it with me? |
| 21:39.55 | peter_ | - Son, you have to buy big package of flowers, take her to expensive restaurant for good supper with old, red wine, then, take her with your exclusive car to some expensive hotel... |
| 21:39.55 | peter_ | In this moment, Bill Gate`s douther asking: |
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| 21:40.05 | jelly-home | Quintin: is xfs one of those filesystems that corrupts really well on power failures? |
| 21:40.10 | Rodger | Quintin: I am new to xfs, so :-<<<<< |
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| 21:40.30 | Quintin | XFS owns your face :p |
| 21:40.37 | cahoot | Rodger: stivk to ext3, use a swapfile |
| 21:40.37 | dimsuz | SmallR2002: well, actually i don't want to compile it ;) |
| 21:40.43 | Quintin | Recommened having a UPS or backups though |
| 21:40.46 | jelly-home | !start a fs war |
| 21:40.46 | dpkg | jfs is too slow! |
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| 21:40.59 | ck199346 | hihi |
| 21:41.15 | peter_ | Quintin, did it pasted? |
| 21:41.37 | Quintin | peter_: "in thsi moment bill gates daughter" was the last thing you said |
| 21:41.48 | tralala | peter_, use a pastebin |
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| 21:42.19 | Rodger | cahoot: there is no option to set a swap file |
| 21:42.32 | peter_ | http://pastebin.ca/586492 |
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| 21:42.47 | steve_ | rodger: i'd choose approx 512 mb of swap, so u habe enough space for the system i think. u can save your data at the central ntfs partition |
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| 21:43.28 | tralala | Rodger, for now go without a swapfile, you'll set it up after the installation is done |
| 21:43.39 | Rodger | tralala: thanks |
| 21:43.47 | Quintin | XFS |
| 21:43.49 | Quintin | are you mad?! |
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| 21:43.58 | Quintin | ext3 has a commit of 5 seconds. it's too slow! |
| 21:44.34 | petemc | rubbish |
| 21:44.46 | Quintin | right |
| 21:44.53 | Quintin | empirical scientific data is 'rubbish'. |
| 21:45.11 | zinx | too slow for what? |
| 21:45.20 | Quintin | everying ;) |
| 21:45.36 | zinx | you only lose what metadata changes weren't committed |
| 21:45.39 | qrck | injection methods |
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| 21:45.42 | qrck | wah wah wah |
| 21:45.43 | zinx | i.e., new files, moved files, etc |
| 21:45.44 | qrck | ms sql |
| 21:46.03 | zinx | that's all it's committing... |
| 21:46.08 | Rodger | ok, now my Debian is copying files.... |
| 21:46.25 | Rodger | can Debian read ntfs partition? |
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| 21:46.29 | qrck | heh bloody worm |
| 21:46.32 | zinx | Rodger: it can read it, yes |
| 21:46.43 | Quintin | Rodger: the question is can linux kernel do that. answer is yes |
| 21:46.45 | Rodger | ok, that is great |
| 21:47.00 | zinx | Quintin: i took it to mean 'can debian's stock kernels ...' |
| 21:47.23 | ma3x | ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory |
| 21:47.23 | Rodger | so in my debian, I will be able to see all those windows xp partitions |
| 21:47.35 | ma3x | how do i install tha /dev/snd/seq |
| 21:47.55 | Quintin | Rodger: and more importantly, delete them |
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| 21:48.03 | illo | IIRC i wrote to ntfs using stock kernel and dunno what, fuse i think. the partition survived |
| 21:48.25 | tralala | illo, you should've tried harder |
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| 21:48.46 | KillerKong | hey if i want to do a basic install i just need debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso right? |
| 21:48.54 | Quintin | KillerKong: yes |
| 21:48.54 | illo | tralala, it was not my machine, one has to be polite :) |
| 21:49.01 | Rodger | Quintin: I will delete my xfs first, haha... |
| 21:49.14 | Quintin | Rodger: go look at some benchmarks, kthnx |
| 21:49.16 | tralala | illo, ;) |
| 21:49.24 | Bi||aBong | i have a problem with flash player, when i open pages with flash this run too slow |
| 21:49.29 | KillerKong | the cd i got is corrput lol |
| 21:49.42 | KillerKong | so i needed to redownload and burn |
| 21:49.47 | Bi||aBong | i use flash player 9 |
| 21:49.59 | Quintin | Bi||aBong: is your computer really old and crappy? |
| 21:50.00 | tralala | Bi||aBong, send a bugreport to Adobe |
| 21:50.15 | Rodger | As I play with Debian, I might accidentally screw up the system |
| 21:50.17 | Quintin | flash 9 works on both of my desktops |
| 21:50.26 | Rodger | is there a way to do a quick restore? |
| 21:50.30 | Rodger | like Windows XP? |
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| 21:50.38 | Quintin | Rodger: You. You chagne what you fucked up. |
| 21:50.44 | illo | ma3x, you should enable the "seq" or whatever its called kernel module. If you have modconf you might find it somewhere in sound section else use modprobe and the exact name |
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| 21:51.03 | Bi||aBong | Quintin> Bi||aBong: is your computer really old and crappy? No |
| 21:51.18 | Rodger | Quintin: the question is 1), I might have no idea, 2). it might be too tedius |
| 21:51.58 | tralala | Rodger, not really, but debian won't break as easily |
| 21:51.59 | illo | Rodger i used to make backups with dar-static utility from single user mode. Restored no problem. There are more elegant methods i guess |
| 21:51.59 | Quintin | Rodger: then you ask here for help |
| 21:51.59 | cahoot | ma3x: didn't care to google the answer in the 10 h elapsed since you asked earlier? |
| 21:51.59 | Quintin | Rodger: just don't do things unless you know what you're doing. |
| 21:52.08 | KillerKong | thanks again Quintin |
| 21:52.14 | Quintin | KillerKong: np |
| 21:52.28 | ma3x | cahoot, you told me to modprob something, but I tried locate snd_seq and nothing cameout |
| 21:52.34 | KillerKong | have a great night guys, probally will be back if i cant figure something out |
| 21:53.33 | ma3x | cahoot, it's probably with - like snd-seq |
| 21:53.37 | ma3x | illo, thanks |
| 21:53.51 | jelly-home | Rodger: there's no pre-approved way. You'll need to set up a backup/restore policy. |
| 21:53.58 | Quintin | Rodger: what is your goal in using debian? |
| 21:54.28 | regulate | Rodger: debian wont break on its own, it will only break on your command, so to undo you figure out the reverse of the command |
| 21:54.29 | illo | ma3x, anyway you don't find kernel modules with locate as they are not files |
| 21:54.42 | cahoot | oh they are |
| 21:55.00 | regulate | everything is a file |
| 21:55.02 | ma3x | illo, modules are .ko files |
| 21:55.04 | jelly-home | illo: the contents of /lib/modules/$(uname -r) are very misleading that way |
| 21:55.10 | nvz | illo: what/ |
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| 21:55.39 | illo | i didn't ever notice the names without .ko reflected the module name :) |
| 21:55.41 | ma3x | illo, what did you mean by that they are not files? |
| 21:55.42 | illo | if they do |
| 21:55.45 | nvz | illo: everything in linux is a file.. |
| 21:56.02 | jelly-home | regulate: hm, not everything is a file. |
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| 21:56.24 | ma3x | jelly-home, example? :) |
| 21:56.26 | jelly-home | nvz: I see no /dev/eth0! |
| 21:57.00 | nvz | thats a logical interface name |
| 21:57.00 | jelly-home | nvz: it's not a file. |
| 21:57.03 | nvz | there isn't exactly a /dev/keyboard either |
| 21:57.07 | tralala | jelly-home, put your glases on! |
| 21:57.09 | nvz | you're just being picky |
| 21:57.17 | jelly-home | nvz: sure there is, in /dev/input ;-) |
| 21:57.42 | Rodger | well, I would like to setup an web server using a web application |
| 21:58.00 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:58.28 | regulate | jelly-home: eth0 is just an entry in some mapping table |
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| 21:59.05 | Bi||aBong | somebody can help me? |
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| 21:59.11 | illo | so, just to clear it up for me, the argument for modprobe is the module's filename without the extension? |
| 21:59.15 | regulate | to a device which resides on the VFS as a file in /sys/devices/pci* |
| 21:59.24 | regulate | illo: yes |
| 21:59.32 | fasta | Can I set the size of the package cache to some value? |
| 21:59.39 | illo | ok thx |
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| 22:00.37 | illo | Bi||aBong, no unless one uses telepathy to know what you need help for. |
| 22:00.40 | regulate | fasta: Cache-Limit |
| 22:00.51 | regulate | fasta: man 5 apt.conf lookup Cache-Limit |
| 22:00.58 | fasta | regulate: thanks |
| 22:01.16 | Bi||aBong | i have a problem with flash player, this run too slow |
| 22:02.01 | fasta | regulate: I am referring to the loads in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 22:02.11 | fasta | regulate: are you too? |
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| 22:05.07 | regulate | fasta: i think so |
| 22:05.14 | fasta | regulate: I think you are not. |
| 22:05.17 | regulate | hmm |
| 22:05.25 | fasta | regulate: since that manual refers to a memory mapped file |
| 22:05.36 | regulate | right |
| 22:05.37 | fasta | regulate: and not loads of small files |
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| 22:05.48 | regulate | the file maps those small files |
| 22:05.55 | fasta | "small" meaning the size of packages. |
| 22:06.15 | regulate | hmm |
| 22:06.34 | fasta | regulate: in what way does it map it then? AFAIK, memory mapped means in internal memory |
| 22:06.40 | tralala | fasta, /var/cache/apt/archives/ contains the debian packages that apt has downloaded before installing |
| 22:06.54 | fasta | tralala: I know |
| 22:07.22 | fasta | regulate: I am interested in getting not unbounded growth in the size of /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 22:07.24 | tralala | fasta, what are you trying to set then? There's nothing to be set about it |
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| 22:08.55 | tralala | fasta, you can put it on a separate partition with the size of your liking or try playing with filesystem quotas (not sure about that though) |
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| 22:09.02 | fasta | tralala: I was asking whether there was anything I could set, since it's clearly pretty stupid that it can grow unbounded. It effectively tells me that I need to write a cron script which fixes this, which is a hacky solution. |
| 22:09.37 | fasta | tralala: for example in my setup the mail system gets broken. |
| 22:09.54 | koojoo- | <koojoo> is there a way to have my system AUTOMATICALLY login as a user when they telnet to it? |
| 22:09.54 | koojoo- | <koojoo> telnet streeam tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.telnetd -L /bbs/mystic/mystic |
| 22:09.54 | koojoo- | <koojoo> that is my ./etc/inetd.conf but i want /bbs/mystic/mystic to be run as user bbs |
| 22:10.05 | tralala | fasta, why would you need something like this anyways? you can always empty this cache with aptitude clean |
| 22:10.24 | fasta | tralala: because I don't like to do things that should happen anyways. |
| 22:10.25 | illo | fasta, i make an aptitude autoclean before an upgrade. That way i (should) end up with all the old versions of the newly installed packages if i need to force a downgrade. Pity i have no occasion to test it as everything works. |
| 22:10.28 | Quintin | tralala: I find his point very valid. There should be a smart default setting |
| 22:10.32 | tralala | and it doesn't really grow that much once your system is configured |
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| 22:11.27 | TrueDD | re |
| 22:12.25 | tralala | I don't see any reason for aptitude to manage filesystem quotas - there are plenty of existing fs tools already. If it is such an important thing you can always have a separe partition for it. |
| 22:12.45 | fasta | tralala: what happens if I put a quota on it? |
| 22:13.03 | tralala | fasta, when it's full apt will stop working |
| 22:13.14 | fasta | tralala: right, and you call that a solution? |
| 22:13.28 | fasta | tralala: your usability standards are low |
| 22:13.45 | Quintin | tralala: He is hardly saying that apt should 'manage file system quotas'. He's saying the cache shouldn't be allowed to grow unbounded |
| 22:13.48 | tralala | fasta, I'd like to hear your idea of what you do when you have to download new things and there's no space for it |
| 22:14.18 | tralala | Quintin, he actually has no idea what he's talking about |
| 22:14.29 | fasta | tralala: apt should come with a configuration option that says what it should do when it's out of space when you are using disk quotas |
| 22:14.35 | ck199346 | then I'd like to have the same workaround for wget(1) too :) |
| 22:14.44 | fasta | tralala: and it should have a sane default of 3GB for packages. |
| 22:14.50 | ck199346 | providing me with infinite diskspace |
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| 22:16.21 | fasta | tralala: Let me put it this way: if I were making money selling servers based on Debian, I would add that feature myself, since I don't want to annoy my clients. |
| 22:16.31 | tralala | fasta, it would have such an option if it was developed by Microsoft. The unix tools however do their job only |
| 22:16.45 | mac_mini | hello |
| 22:17.00 | fasta | tralala: their job is to assume unbounded disk space? |
| 22:17.26 | fasta | tralala: there's also a principle of least surprise. |
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| 22:17.35 | tralala | fasta, their job is not to make any assumptions about hardware |
| 22:17.40 | fasta | tralala: nobody expects their mail system to be broken by upgrading multiple times. |
| 22:17.55 | jelly-home | fasta: an "aptitude autoclean" cron job should do the trick |
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| 22:18.18 | fasta | jelly-home: I already named that option, scroll up, and see the word hacky. |
| 22:18.37 | tralala | fasta, every software expects its users to learn how to use it |
| 22:18.44 | jelly-home | fasta: I suspect apt maintainers will welcome your patches, then |
| 22:18.58 | tralala | jelly-home, I hope not! |
| 22:19.02 | fasta | jelly-home: that's a more reasonable response. |
| 22:19.17 | fasta | tralala: you are being silly. |
| 22:19.34 | illo | fasta, you are being trollish |
| 22:20.09 | tralala | fasta, I'd love to see your bugreport with the attached patch being rejected for bloating apt's codebase |
| 22:20.20 | jelly-home | fasta: or you can put up a wishlist bug explaining the functionality |
| 22:20.35 | jelly-home | tralala: it's a decent feature, IMO |
| 22:20.48 | jelly-home | if it becomes well defined |
| 22:21.02 | fasta | tralala: heh, if I would have known you I would want to bet for money about this, unless you are a maintainer of apt yourself. |
| 22:21.04 | tralala | jelly-home, apparently I'm a minority here but I'm not worried. |
| 22:21.51 | tralala | fasta, I'm not but I want to believe the maintainters still have their senses |
| 22:22.46 | illo | uhm if apt were given a separate UID, couldn't standard disk quota management tools do the trick? I'd not bother with such a procedure, but if fasta think it's important... |
| 22:23.16 | tralala | and what's hackish about a cronjob anyways? And how come it's more reasonable to add hundreds of lines of C bloat to apt instead of adding a single line to crontab? |
| 22:24.13 | jelly-home | hundreds of lines of C bloat? :-) |
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| 22:24.34 | tralala | jelly-home, well, maybe fasta will be able to implement it in 20 |
| 22:25.00 | fasta | illo: and how do you make sure apt doesn't fail because of lack of space? |
| 22:25.17 | illo | if it lacks space it ought to fail IMHO :) |
| 22:25.46 | fasta | illo: IMHO, it should delete old packages in a LIFO fashion |
| 22:26.03 | jelly-home | fasta: LRU! |
| 22:26.07 | tralala | you know what - I have an even better idea - instead of adding this to apt let's add it to linux - every time you run out of space it will make "smart" suggestions about what to delete! |
| 22:26.10 | ck199346 | apt-get is used by admin, and they should know. |
| 22:26.13 | fasta | illo: anyway, it appears that people have different opinions, and that's why software has options. |
| 22:26.23 | fasta | jelly-home: or that, I don't care, really. |
| 22:26.37 | illo | jelly-home, Bigger first! |
| 22:27.00 | illo | fasta, a wrapper script should suffice for that |
| 22:27.29 | illo | fasta, i guess apt fails returning something different than 0, so :) |
| 22:27.32 | fasta | illo: a wrapper script could also implement things that cat implements, what's your point? |
| 22:27.34 | jelly-home | illo: "you want to install openoffice, but I have no space to download it all, therefore I'll delete some of its dependencies from the cache first ;-) |
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| 22:28.23 | fasta | Cancel/Allow ;) |
| 22:28.33 | jelly-home | Panic |
| 22:28.35 | illo | fasta my point is to have personal preference stuff done in scripts, not in unix tools. |
| 22:29.07 | fasta | illo: so, you think most unix tools are bloated? |
| 22:29.30 | fasta | lots of the same stuff is implemented in different tools |
| 22:29.46 | illo | jelly-home, if you are so low in disk space and understanding of dependencies, use abiword. :) |
| 22:30.02 | fasta | Your version (0.6.46.4-0.1) of apt appears to be out of date. |
| 22:30.02 | fasta | The following newer release(s) are available in the Debian archive: |
| 22:30.02 | fasta | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.03 | illo | fasta, i think most unix tools are not agreeing with your vision. |
| 22:30.03 | jelly-home | illo: there's a fine line between a sysadmin and a programmer. As a sysadmin, I want the package manager to "just work" |
| 22:30.20 | fasta | This is pretty funny. |
| 22:30.38 | fasta | Hmm, oh, no, it's not. Never mind |
| 22:31.00 | fasta | jelly-home: Programmers also want that. |
| 22:31.05 | tralala | jelly-home, as a sysadmin one of the first things you're supposed to learn is cron |
| 22:31.17 | jelly-home | tralala: that's beside the point |
| 22:31.20 | dacs_ | jelly-home: can i pm you |
| 22:31.31 | tralala | the second is to routinely inspect your disk space |
| 22:31.32 | xand | Why Hello There |
| 22:31.33 | jelly-home | dacs_: nope, I'll be going to sleep soon |
| 22:31.48 | illo | jelly-home, there is a fine line between installing stuff and having not enough disk space ;) |
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| 22:31.59 | dacs_ | jelly-home: don't sleeep ;P |
| 22:32.04 | Southern | Hi |
| 22:32.05 | fasta | Anyway, I think Google configures and monitors their systems pretty much automatically. |
| 22:32.25 | tralala | jelly-home, on the countrary - it's precisely the point |
| 22:32.27 | dacs_ | i did /say /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --export marillat@debian.org |
| 22:32.31 | fasta | They really don't bother about these things. They solve it once, s.t. the machines don't require "maintainance". |
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| 22:32.45 | dacs_ | and i got A⎽├␊⎼␋⎽┐:/⎺└␊/▒␋±␊⎼# |
| 22:32.52 | dacs_ | what is this |
| 22:32.58 | xand | do you mind? |
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| 22:33.01 | jelly-home | dacs_: other folks can help you with apt keys and installing stuff from marillat at least as good as me |
| 22:33.02 | Guerin | fasta: and when a machine dies, they just ignore it |
| 22:33.08 | enyc | jelly-home: heheh.. and as a programmer you want the package management to be easily customizable and not keep changing too many things ''for you'' ? |
| 22:33.12 | fasta | Guerin: right, I heard that. |
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| 22:33.25 | jelly-home | enyc: as a programmer i can script around it |
| 22:33.30 | Arwen | is it possible to allow unauthenticated packages from certain sources? |
| 22:33.35 | jelly-home | enyc: "it" being a missing feature |
| 22:33.38 | dacs_ | ok i do appreciate your help getting me there so far |
| 22:33.38 | Arwen | e.g. certain repositories? |
| 22:33.40 | xand | grrr that binary rubbish broke this window |
| 22:33.44 | Guerin | Arwen: yes, but typing `yes' |
| 22:33.49 | enyc | jelly-home: hrrrm k |
| 22:33.52 | Arwen | Guerin, I meant automagically.. |
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| 22:33.57 | fasta | A box should be placed somewhere and it should run forever. Anything that doesn't do that will be improved upon sooner or later. |
| 22:33.57 | dacs_ | Arwen: just trying to get realplayer |
| 22:34.03 | Arwen | because having to use --force-yes in script is stupid |
| 22:34.15 | Arwen | dacs_, hmm? |
| 22:34.17 | Guerin | Arwen: no, if you want it automagical you either have to add ther key or turn off source checking |
| 22:34.30 | tralala | here - the second area where apt needs to be improved... |
| 22:34.31 | Arwen | hmm, guess I better read up on gpg... |
| 22:34.32 | fasta | (Or it dies) |
| 22:34.40 | Arwen | gpg *is* how they're signed, right? |
| 22:34.47 | Guerin | Arwen: yes. |
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| 22:35.05 | Guerin | !apt-key b4n4n45 |
| 22:35.05 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys b4n4n45 ; gpg --export b4n4n45 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 22:35.12 | Guerin | Arwen: peasy ;) |
| 22:35.29 | jer-flow | any native app that can edit avi files easily? |
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| 22:35.47 | Guerin | jer-flow: not really. |
| 22:35.50 | tralala | jer-flow, kino |
| 22:35.50 | jelly-home | fasta: OTOH, there is _no_ such thing as a box running forever unattended |
| 22:35.53 | Guerin | jer-flow: what do you mean by `edit'? |
| 22:35.55 | dacs_ | Guerin: i am confuseed |
| 22:36.08 | fasta | jelly-home: not yet |
| 22:36.08 | Guerin | dacs_: thank you for sharing. |
| 22:36.10 | Arwen | Guerin, yeah yeah, but what about locally signed packages? |
| 22:36.22 | Guerin | Arwen: they're signed with a key - add that key. |
| 22:36.29 | jer-flow | edit = crop/cut portions of the avi file |
| 22:36.33 | fasta | jelly-home: I am _sure_ it will be created during my life-time or it already exists. |
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| 22:36.42 | jelly-home | fasta: it would have to be alive, only living things have localized entrory reversal (it's one of the definitions of life, I think;-) |
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| 22:36.54 | Rodger | Now I really need help |
| 22:36.58 | jelly-home | fasta: A fridge is not alive ;-) |
| 22:37.02 | fasta | jelly-home: I was ignoring hardware failings in the above. |
| 22:37.03 | dacs_ | when i add the key i got all scrambled text |
| 22:37.05 | Guerin | jer-flow: you can use mpgtx or something like that to do it by timecode, but most probably you want cinelerra or something |
| 22:37.07 | Rodger | I was trying to install grub on mbr |
| 22:37.14 | dacs_ | Arwen: what are you trying to do |
| 22:37.14 | Guerin | jer-flow: which isn't in debian because of complex reasons |
| 22:37.15 | Rodger | but it says it fail!!!! |
| 22:37.25 | Rodger | now what do I do |
| 22:37.27 | Arwen | dacs_, sign the packages in my local repository.. |
| 22:37.34 | illo | tralala, kino i guess need dv format so a conversion is in order. mplayer might cut and join avis. cut is easy join i guess needs some shell magic |
| 22:37.35 | fasta | jelly-home: they don't really count, but I like your localized entropy reversal-idea. |
| 22:37.36 | Arwen | piper69, * |
| 22:37.45 | piper69 | Arwen: :) |
| 22:37.50 | Rodger | I have windows xp installed, and is trying to install debian on top of it |
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| 22:38.02 | Guerin | Rodger: sounds ideal to me. |
| 22:38.04 | piper69 | Rodger: very easy to do |
| 22:38.12 | tralala | illo, dv fits nicely in avi |
| 22:38.13 | euthyrox_lover | good night |
| 22:38.24 | Rodger | but grub says it fail to be installed on the mbr |
| 22:38.29 | Rodger | now what do I do? |
| 22:38.31 | illo | Guerin, yes, the ease of use of debian on top of the power and efficiency of xp :) |
| 22:38.45 | Guerin | illo: hah |
| 22:38.57 | tralala | he's actually installing dual-boot |
| 22:39.06 | piper69 | Rodger: you first install windows then debian |
| 22:39.17 | Rodger | yes, I have windows installed |
| 22:39.22 | Rodger | now I am installing debian |
| 22:39.28 | illo | tralala, i guess that when the guy asked for editing avis he meant preferably without converting. dv is not an usual codec for avis |
| 22:39.41 | Rodger | and it detects Windows xp and is trying to install grub on the mbr |
| 22:39.46 | Rodger | but it tells me it failed |
| 22:39.56 | tralala | illo, dvgrab puts dv in avis |
| 22:40.10 | piper69 | what does repository mean |
| 22:40.35 | tralala | illo, his question was actually incomplete because he didn't specify the codec |
| 22:40.38 | illo | tralala does it? last time i used it i had a qt or a raw dv. |
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| 22:40.59 | tralala | illo, it does in etch |
| 22:41.02 | piper69 | Rodger: what installation methode are you using |
| 22:41.05 | illo | tralala, but we all know he's trying to do a compilation of his fave porno flicks :) |
| 22:41.19 | Rodger | nestinst |
| 22:41.24 | tralala | illo, pervert! |
| 22:41.33 | Rodger | piper69: netinst |
| 22:41.37 | piper69 | Rodger: are you using a cd |
| 22:41.44 | Rodger | piper69: yes |
| 22:42.01 | Rodger | should I get the cd out first? |
| 22:42.05 | stoned | why |
| 22:42.09 | Rodger | what is Hd(0)? |
| 22:42.12 | piper69 | Rodger: what debian disto are you trying to install |
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| 22:42.18 | Rodger | isn't it the first hard disk? |
| 22:42.21 | piper69 | rogier: hard disk |
| 22:42.24 | jelly-home | fasta: I'm a part of a team that makes custom packages that basically munge config files and make some services usable enough for dumb admins. Debian is a good base for that, and if it doesn't have a feature that makes an admin's life easier, it might be because it doesn't apply in a majority of cases. Debian is very conservative when it comes to changing defaults. |
| 22:42.28 | stoned | hd(0) is your first hard disk |
| 22:42.33 | Rodger | debian 4 |
| 22:42.43 | Rodger | I just downloaded it from the web this morning |
| 22:43.06 | Rodger | piper69: I have the option of trying lilo |
| 22:43.13 | Quintin | Rodger: computers and computer people start counting at 0, not 1 |
| 22:43.16 | jelly-home | fasta: so it just might be that someone would hate if the autocleaning feature was implemented and set as default |
| 22:43.20 | piper69 | Rodger: me my self i am very n00be to linux and debian , but buddy if you don't know what is hd(0) you need some serious book |
| 22:43.22 | Guerin | hm, the gcj plugin is much faster today than it was yesterday |
| 22:43.38 | Quintin | piper69: don't be a cunt |
| 22:43.44 | stoned | Quintin: he asked "what is hd(0)" |
| 22:43.44 | Rodger | piper69, I am a novice |
| 22:43.49 | jelly-home | fasta: and since it's very easy to work around, that's one less incentive to add it |
| 22:43.50 | piper69 | Rodger: see those guys here are really very helpful, but they will not spoone feed you |
| 22:44.04 | stoned | Guerin: hi |
| 22:44.11 | illo | Rodger, if you tried to format with xfs you gotta use lilo as grub (used to?) fail with xfs |
| 22:44.13 | Guerin | piper69: the difference is that he's in the middle of installing |
| 22:44.19 | Guerin | piper69: he doesn't have the luxury of time |
| 22:44.25 | Guerin | stoned: kia ora bro! |
| 22:44.25 | stoned | Guerin: I'm thinking of changin my nickname to zoot |
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| 22:44.37 | piper69 | simply because they want you to learn, so when they say go read about it , it doesn't mean that they don't want to help |
| 22:44.39 | Guerin | stoned: this is what happens when you give up smoking dope. |
| 22:44.49 | Arwen | Hey guys, I don't use Debian, but I know about the Iceweasel nonsense. Are Debian's copies of firefox called iceweasel? or just firefox? |
| 22:44.50 | piper69 | Guerin: lol |
| 22:44.51 | jelly-home | stoned: dude, man! |
| 22:44.53 | stoned | Guerin: haha, not this time! You had me goin last time that you could speak my lingo |
| 22:44.54 | fasta | jelly-home: what team is that if I may ask? |
| 22:44.58 | Rodger | piper69: easy, I am not that naive, I was just double checking |
| 22:44.59 | stoned | jelly-home: hi bro man dude |
| 22:45.04 | Guerin | piper69: we'll bag him plemnty once he actually has it installed, but the first priority is getting there. |
| 22:45.19 | Rodger | so why would my grub fail? |
| 22:45.28 | stoned | who said grub would fail |
| 22:45.36 | Rodger | I mean fail to be installed on my mbr? |
| 22:45.38 | piper69 | rogier: from what i understood lilo is not that gr8, stick with grub |
| 22:45.47 | stoned | Rodger: no it will be fine |
| 22:45.50 | jelly-home | fasta: nothing public... at least not outside of Croatian academic network. |
| 22:45.52 | Guerin | Arwen: all firefox implementations other than mzilla's are iceweasel. Som distros are happy to use mozilkla's, but debian isn't. |
| 22:46.02 | Quintin | Rodger: you're best to just continue, and try and install grub later from a live cd |
| 22:46.04 | piper69 | rogier: do you have another pc what you can use , while installing this one |
| 22:46.26 | Rodger | then will I be able to boot into linux? |
| 22:46.29 | stoned | Rodger: does grub fail on mbr install? |
| 22:46.38 | tralala | stoned, yes |
| 22:46.41 | Rodger | stoned: yes, that is what is happening |
| 22:46.41 | Quintin | Rodger: no, you'll have to fix it after the install |
| 22:46.44 | piper69 | Rodger: are you using DELL |
| 22:46.54 | stoned | that has no bearing on it |
| 22:46.55 | Rodger | no, it is a compaq |
| 22:46.58 | Arwen | Guerin, blah blah blah. That's not what I was asking. I was asking what they were called in Debian's repositories. |
| 22:46.58 | Rodger | presario |
| 22:47.02 | Quintin | Rodger: check your BIOS for MBR protection |
| 22:47.02 | piper69 | even worth |
| 22:47.03 | Rodger | very old |
| 22:47.10 | piper69 | hmmmm |
| 22:47.13 | Arwen | i.e., 'apt-get install firefox' or 'apt-get install thunderbird' |
| 22:47.15 | illo | Arwen iceweasel and icedove. |
| 22:47.20 | Rodger | hmmm |
| 22:47.21 | Arwen | ok, thanks |
| 22:47.26 | piper69 | Arwen: there is no Firefox |
| 22:47.38 | piper69 | icweaste |
| 22:47.39 | Arwen | ......that's what I just asked... |
| 22:47.40 | tralala | Arwen, packages.debian.org |
| 22:47.45 | Guerin | Arwen: that's what my answer tells you, by inference. |
| 22:47.45 | Rodger | so for now I just don't install grub and continue |
| 22:47.58 | Guerin | Rodger: but DO NOT reboot until you've installed a bootloader. |
| 22:48.02 | piper69 | Rodger: what version of debian you are trying to install |
| 22:48.04 | stoned | jelly-home: which bios? |
| 22:48.10 | Arwen | Guerin, meh, I'm not a debian user, how should I know? Ubuntu used to ship iceweasel named as firefox. |
| 22:48.11 | Quintin | Rodger: skip grub for now |
| 22:48.13 | Rodger | I think it is 4.0 |
| 22:48.13 | jelly-home | stoned: Thinkpad Z60m |
| 22:48.19 | stoned | jelly-home: ahh |
| 22:48.23 | piper69 | Guerin: will you help me with installing realplayer pkg |
| 22:48.25 | Rodger | ok, I will skip and go ahead without the boot loader |
| 22:48.25 | Guerin | Arwen: probably because they |
| 22:48.27 | Quintin | Guerin: er, why not? It is very well impossible to do right now. |
| 22:48.32 | Arwen | anyway, I just created a key using gpg, where'd it go? |
| 22:48.33 | mickky | i am trying to share my internet connection, i did activate forwaring ( echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ) and i defined NAT ( iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE ), my LAN is on eth1 and my WAN on eth0; ping to gateway from LAN is ok, what can i do bad?? need i to add ipmasq package?? |
| 22:48.36 | Guerin | 're prepared to have mozilla corp. audit their patchset |
| 22:48.41 | Quintin | Arwen: ls -a ~/ |
| 22:48.43 | stoned | jelly-home: I had one with openfirmware, the fucker won't take any other cd than the original system 8 cd |
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| 22:48.51 | KillerKong | Okay guys its time for some help lol |
| 22:48.52 | piper69 | Rodger: that mean its etch.. right guys |
| 22:48.59 | Guerin | Quintin: did I miss something? |
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| 22:49.02 | stoned | jelly-home: that is if you don't have the os already |
| 22:49.02 | piper69 | brb |
| 22:49.10 | Arwen | Quintin, yes, then I can see all my config folders... only, I still don't know where my gpg key went |
| 22:49.13 | KillerKong | installed debian, just cant figure out how to change the time from 13:44 to 1:44pm |
| 22:49.19 | piper69 | have to finish some stuff for the wifey |
| 22:49.19 | Quintin | Guerin: You said don't reboot without installing a bootloader. It might be impossible to isntall one. |
| 22:49.21 | piper69 | errrr |
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| 22:49.30 | Quintin | Arwen: ~/.gpg or so? |
| 22:49.46 | Guerin | Quintin: right, in which case my advice is clearly stupid. But there are other avenues to try before we come to that. |
| 22:50.09 | jelly-home | stoned: "system 8"? A Mac/PPC? If I rewrite MBR, access to recovery partition is lost. Also, it only boots from the first partition |
| 22:50.17 | Arwen | Quintin, well, I have a ~/.gnupg, but no key there.. |
| 22:50.34 | stoned | jelly-home: yes ppc with sarge/testing |
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| 22:50.49 | Quintin | Arwen: don't remember where they go. did you read the manual page? |
| 22:50.53 | jelly-home | stoned: now, Sun's openprom, that's a beauty. |
| 22:50.59 | Arwen | Quintin, it was confusing :-\ |
| 22:51.00 | Rodger | piper69: I think it should be etch, it says 4 anyway |
| 22:51.01 | stoned | jelly-home: yessir it is |
| 22:51.15 | Quintin | Arwen: it surely says in plain english where the keys are output, if anywhere. |
| 22:51.25 | Arwen | yeah, I'm looking |
| 22:51.27 | illo | stoned, openfirmware on mac had protection for boot and for access (kind of bios password) |
| 22:51.38 | Rodger | Guerin: now I am done with the installation |
| 22:51.42 | stoned | illo: i know |
| 22:51.48 | Guerin | Rodger: but still no bootloader? |
| 22:51.51 | KillerKong | installed debian, just cant figure out how to change the time from 13:44 to 1:44pm |
| 22:51.53 | Rodger | Guerin: and it is about to reboot |
| 22:52.02 | Rodger | yeah, without the boot loader |
| 22:52.10 | Guerin | Rodger: ok, before you reboot |
| 22:52.16 | Rodger | Ok? |
| 22:52.17 | Guerin | Rodger: go back and try to install lilo |
| 22:52.22 | illo | stoned but once unprotected i could boot whatever. even from firewire |
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| 22:52.32 | stoned | illo: and how did you manage that |
| 22:52.44 | jelly-home | KillerKong: which locale have you chosen? |
| 22:53.05 | KillerKong | havent yet but im in eastern |
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| 22:53.10 | jelly-home | KillerKong: en_US locale should use am/pm notation |
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| 22:53.21 | illo | stoned i don't recall. look at printenv, and know the password. i guess it was some env variable :) |
| 22:53.23 | Rodger | Guerin: should it put it on MBR? |
| 22:53.28 | Rodger | or the Debian partition? |
| 22:53.28 | KillerKong | command not found |
| 22:53.35 | Guerin | Rodger: yes. |
| 22:53.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Quick question: How long does it usually take between the release of a popular application and it entering the Sid repos? |
| 22:53.42 | Guerin | Rodger: always the MBR |
| 22:53.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | (New K3b release out) |
| 22:53.52 | Rodger | Guerin: then it will controls everything , right? |
| 22:53.54 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: it depends. COuld be hours, could be weeks. |
| 22:53.58 | Guerin | Rodger: yes. |
| 22:54.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: How long do you think it'll take for the new K3b release? |
| 22:54.20 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: part of kde - likely weeks, unless it doesn't require new libs. |
| 22:54.20 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: depends on the maintainer and the changes. Sometimes filing a wishlist bug helps. |
| 22:54.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Just a guess |
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| 22:54.38 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: if it doesn't require neew kde lib versions, could eb sooner. |
| 22:54.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | damn |
| 22:54.39 | stoned | Dark_Apostrophe: depends on if anyone is willing to package it and comply with DFSG and Package Policies as set by debian. If they do, it doesn't take long for them to show up in sid. If no one does it, then umm.. well you get it. |
| 22:54.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: It's a bugfix release |
| 22:54.48 | Blackgoth | rsync is making me bunkers |
| 22:54.57 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: in that case it may be sooner. |
| 22:54.57 | KillerKong | en_US locale doesnt work |
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| 22:55.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Cool. |
| 22:55.07 | Guerin | KillerKong: give it a payrise |
| 22:55.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Thanks. |
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| 22:55.18 | KillerKong | what u mean |
| 22:55.25 | Quintin | !doesn't work |
| 22:55.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 22:55.36 | jelly-home | KillerKong: in which app do you get an unexpected 24hr clock? |
| 22:55.37 | JeffH | I added the volatile repository to my source.list file.. now when I do an 'apt-get update' I get an error saying the public key is not available.. anyone know where I can get it? |
| 22:55.38 | KillerKong | it said command not found |
| 22:55.40 | stoned | Darkwing Duck |
| 22:55.43 | KillerKong | uptime |
| 22:55.49 | jelly-home | KillerKong: what does "date" say? |
| 22:55.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: It says Maintainer: Francois Marier <francois@debian.org>. Does he hang out on IRC? |
| 22:55.53 | Quintin | !no public key |
| 22:55.54 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 22:56.00 | KillerKong | raven@tornado:~$ date |
| 22:56.00 | KillerKong | Sat Jun 23 13:51:43 EDT 2007 |
| 22:56.00 | KillerKong | raven@tornado:~$ |
| 22:56.07 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: no idea. |
| 22:56.15 | Quintin | KillerKong: man date |
| 22:56.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: K. |
| 22:56.18 | stoned | Quintin: could you use /msg dpkg tell blah about blah |
| 22:56.32 | Quintin | stoned: that is for benefit of people who just asked questions, not me |
| 22:57.02 | stoned | Quintin: what? |
| 22:57.15 | Quintin | stoned: .. forget it |
| 22:57.24 | KillerKong | why dont u tell me how to change it instead of telling a user man date that just fucking confuses them even more |
| 22:57.42 | Rodger | guerin: looks like it is freezed while installing lilo |
| 22:57.43 | stoned | KillerKong: no it means man date and read the manual pages |
| 22:58.02 | KillerKong | like i just said. why dont u tell me how to change it instead of telling a user man date that just fucking confuses them even more |
| 22:58.08 | Guerin | Rodger: for how long? |
| 22:58.16 | Rodger | for 3 minutes |
| 22:58.20 | stoned | KillerKong: we're not responsible for your level of comprehension |
| 22:58.21 | tralala | KillerKong, try dpkg --reconfigure locales |
| 22:58.28 | Guerin | Rodger: that's too long |
| 22:58.33 | Rodger | stays at 50% |
| 22:58.41 | Quintin | KillerKong: why don't you not be a cunt, and ask what part of the man page is confusing? how about that bitchface? |
| 22:58.42 | KillerKong | dpkg --reconfigure locales |
| 22:58.49 | Rodger | Guerin: I guess I am out of luck on this one |
| 22:58.52 | Guerin | Rodger: hit ctrl+alt+f[234] and see what the debug console says |
| 22:58.57 | Quintin | KillerKong: date +%r would give you just the time in am/pm format |
| 22:58.59 | tralala | KillerKong, that's a command to run as root |
| 22:59.01 | stoned | Quintin: no namecalling please |
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| 22:59.20 | KillerKong | Now i know why debian is a crappy os |
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| 22:59.42 | Guerin | !customer |
| 22:59.43 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 22:59.50 | Quintin | hah |
| 22:59.51 | Arwen | hah |
| 22:59.59 | Rodger | Guerin: I hit ctrl+alt+f2, and then enter to activate the console |
| 23:00.00 | Quintin | 'crappy os'? pfft |
| 23:00.09 | Rodger | but nothing there |
| 23:00.12 | Guerin | Rodger: yeah, try 3 and 4 |
| 23:00.12 | illo | does this chan keep irc logs somewhere? best trolls ever, here :) |
| 23:00.17 | stoned | some of us need to calm down |
| 23:00.18 | Guerin | Rodger: i forget which is the debug |
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| 23:00.35 | stoned | Guerin: except for you, no namecalling |
| 23:00.42 | Quintin | Rodger: Guerin is telling you to switch to a different 'virtual console' or VTY. You usually have 8 of them. if you have X installed for a GUI, it runs on VTY7 (ctrl alt f7) |
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| 23:01.17 | Guerin | illo: some users do |
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| 23:01.26 | Guerin | illo: they're on the interwebs |
| 23:01.37 | Rodger | I saw something on F4, which says I am installing lilo and mbr package |
| 23:01.41 | Rodger | but not error message |
| 23:01.41 | stoned | Guerin: dude I'm goin on 4+ months |
| 23:01.56 | illo | hehe ok guerin, ill google for them |
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| 23:02.24 | stoned | Guerin: what do you think about zoot? |
| 23:02.28 | dimsuz | is there a way to tell apg-get update not to download Packages files from different sources in parallel? |
| 23:02.35 | Guerin | stoned: 4 months dope-free? You NEED to change your nick, then. |
| 23:02.41 | stoned | lol |
| 23:02.44 | Guerin | stoned: i think nicks are pointless |
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| 23:02.55 | Guerin | it's just a handle, doesn't say anything about how cool you are. |
| 23:03.00 | Rodger | Guerin: I think it is on f4, but no help anyway |
| 23:03.04 | Guerin | i recommend your three initials |
| 23:03.20 | fasta | KillerKong did sound impressive! ;) |
| 23:03.20 | stoned | "I don't have an identity, until I have a handle man. Phreak dude, I need a handle" |
| 23:03.30 | Guerin | Rodger: do you have a rescue cd (other than the debian cd)? |
| 23:03.41 | Rodger | Guerin: no |
| 23:03.49 | Quintin | Guerin: I am in the process of changing all my logins from traditional 'quintin' to 'qmr'. It'll probably give me at least a month over the course of my life |
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| 23:03.53 | Rodger | but I think I can download it and make one |
| 23:03.54 | Guerin | Rodger: ok. Another computer? |
| 23:03.56 | Quintin | Rodger: we can install grub another way.. just reboot :p |
| 23:04.05 | Guerin | Quintin: totally. |
| 23:04.13 | Rodger | yeah, I have another computer |
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| 23:04.27 | Rodger | otherwise I won't be ircing right now |
| 23:04.34 | Guerin | Rodger: ok, get that one on irc and reboot the debian box to the install cd |
| 23:04.35 | stoned | I thought about installing latest ubuntu the other day |
| 23:04.42 | Guerin | duh, of course |
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| 23:04.50 | Guerin | Rodger: is this box a laptop, perchance? |
| 23:04.55 | stoned | I looked around a lot, and I didn't find any sort of a netinstall for ubuntu |
| 23:04.56 | Quintin | stoned: works quite well. 'cept for that nasty bug that makes apt segfault |
| 23:04.58 | Rodger | no, it is a desktop |
| 23:05.04 | Guerin | hm, strange |
| 23:05.06 | stoned | then I said to hell with ubuntu |
| 23:05.13 | Quintin | stoned: there is 'server' install, or 'minimal' install |
| 23:05.29 | Quintin | Rodger: Look in the BIOS for MBR protection |
| 23:05.31 | stoned | ubuntu is useless to me |
| 23:05.41 | Rodger | ok, I will |
| 23:05.41 | stoned | im turned off by it now. |
| 23:05.46 | Quintin | I think it is quite nice |
| 23:05.57 | Quintin | 75% of users are morons though |
| 23:05.58 | stoned | no netinstall? bah, disto not worth it if you can't netinst |
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| 23:06.13 | stoned | debian is king baby |
| 23:06.20 | Quintin | stoned: minimal would be similar to netinstall |
| 23:06.23 | tralala | Quintin, that's its target audience |
| 23:06.25 | Quintin | ubuntu is really much nicer for desktops |
| 23:06.34 | Quintin | tralala: oh I'm aware |
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| 23:06.42 | Guerin | oh, biosen have MBR protection, I always forget that. |
| 23:06.42 | stoned | Quintin: I think my sid desktop is just perfect |
| 23:06.44 | ELSEGO | hola people |
| 23:06.48 | stoned | full multimedia desktop |
| 23:07.00 | Guerin | Rodger: the MBR protection might be called some anti-virus thing |
| 23:07.01 | Quintin | stoned: no stability issues? |
| 23:07.06 | stoned | Quintin: hardly ever |
| 23:07.16 | Quintin | stoned: interesting. I've never tried sid |
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| 23:07.22 | Guerin | Quintin: if you have the requisite apt-fu, sid can be quite usable |
| 23:07.24 | stoned | Quintin: I may have asked like 2-3 questions in the past 5 years of using sid |
| 23:07.25 | Rodger | Guerin: it is installation all over again |
| 23:07.30 | Quintin | Guerin: ... 'biosen'? |
| 23:07.30 | Guerin | I must stress IF |
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| 23:07.42 | Vich | I must stress ELSE and ENDIF |
| 23:07.45 | stoned | biosen? |
| 23:07.46 | stoned | dude |
| 23:07.51 | Vich | we complement each other Guerin |
| 23:07.54 | stoned | Guerin man Imma smnack you |
| 23:07.55 | Guerin | Quintin: yes. biosen, boxen, vaxen, mousen, viruxen. Some of us had this argument yesterday. |
| 23:07.56 | stoned | lol |
| 23:08.02 | Vich | together we are conditional pseudocode |
| 23:08.07 | Guerin | Vich: hah |
| 23:08.11 | Vich | that's the most romantic thing I've ever said |
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| 23:08.17 | Quintin | Guerin: the argument where you're an idiot for not properly pluralizing words? |
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| 23:08.25 | stoned | Vich: don't propose like that |
| 23:08.33 | Guerin | Quintin: hey now, greater people than I use -en |
| 23:08.52 | Quintin | I think it's rather silly |
| 23:08.56 | stoned | me too |
| 23:08.58 | illo | endif is pseudocode? must have seen it somewhere else. |
| 23:09.10 | Guerin | Quintin: but you also like OSX, so that's how much YOUR opinion is worth |
| 23:09.11 | Quintin | I have ... boxes. not ... .. box... en. barf |
| 23:09.15 | stoned | boxes mice |
| 23:09.17 | Vich | stoned: not even if my girlfriend is a geek? |
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| 23:09.27 | stoned | Vich: nah dude |
| 23:09.29 | Quintin | OSX has many compelling features |
| 23:09.36 | Vich | ok, thanks for the heads up |
| 23:09.42 | stoned | conditional pseudocode? romantic? hello |
| 23:09.42 | Guerin | Quintin: no need to troll, I was just sayin' |
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| 23:10.12 | illo | I like OSX too, even if i switched from it. It's what windows luser should use, instead. |
| 23:10.12 | Quintin | it does. beryl is way ahead of it though, and will probably stay that way given its development model versus that of apple |
| 23:10.40 | Blackgoth | beryl is discontinued Quintin |
| 23:10.48 | Blackgoth | it's err, ksomething now :p |
| 23:10.51 | Quintin | yea well whatever the new thing is |
| 23:10.54 | Guerin | it's all part of the same project, though |
| 23:10.56 | fasta | Compiz |
| 23:10.59 | Quintin | compiz fusion? or whatever? |
| 23:11.00 | stoned | what? |
| 23:11.06 | Blackgoth | compiz. yeah |
| 23:11.16 | illo | I guess beryl replaced compiz not the other way round |
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| 23:11.30 | fasta | illo: the new name is Compiz |
| 23:11.45 | Blackgoth | it's the name of the other project fasta |
| 23:11.45 | tralala | beryl was a compiz fork that didn't go very far and now it's back to mom |
| 23:11.45 | stoned | Beryl has been replaced |
| 23:11.48 | stoned | compiz fusion |
| 23:12.05 | h3sp4wn | illo: That is bullshit - most of the real work was done by compiz |
| 23:12.05 | Quintin | tralala: didn't go very far? the feature set in beryl is much nicer than compiz |
| 23:12.20 | fasta | Blackgoth: you first had compiz and beryl, then it became compiz |
| 23:12.29 | Blackgoth | lies |
| 23:12.34 | illo | I stand corrected then. didn't know beryl came home :) |
| 23:12.34 | Blackgoth | you first had xgl |
| 23:12.40 | Guerin | does anyonce actually, really, give a fuck? |
| 23:12.45 | fasta | Blackgoth: ... |
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| 23:12.47 | illo | you first had OSX :) |
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| 23:12.50 | Blackgoth | and beryl and compiz are based on xgl |
| 23:12.53 | fasta | Blackgoth: In the beginning there was... |
| 23:12.56 | Blackgoth | me |
| 23:12.57 | v3nu5 | Hi I would like to know an open source website that contain piano partition, otherwise do you know a channel here with music purpose |
| 23:12.57 | Quintin | I second Guerin's statement |
| 23:12.58 | Guerin | in the beginning, there was the command line |
| 23:12.58 | Blackgoth | HARR! |
| 23:13.00 | tralala | Quintin, there's more to programmes than features |
| 23:13.23 | Blackgoth | anyway, back to kicking rsyncs ass |
| 23:13.26 | Guerin | v3nu5: i have no idea what a `piano partition' m,ight be |
| 23:13.34 | fasta | I don't see why anyone would voluntarily run Compiz, though. |
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| 23:13.42 | v3nu5 | sheet music for piano |
| 23:13.48 | Guerin | oh |
| 23:13.57 | illo | v3nu5, i'd look for mids and something that does sheet music out of them. |
| 23:14.12 | stoned | me |
| 23:14.14 | stoned | I do |
| 23:14.22 | seriouslycgi | can anyone help me with my xorg.conf settings for dual head? http://pastebin.ca/585708 |
| 23:14.27 | stoned | I can create music |
| 23:14.31 | Quintin | So... software sound mixing... thoughts? should I use ESD or ARTS or such? or no? |
| 23:14.40 | fasta | In theory it could be cool and all, but it's implementation cannot possibly be any worse. |
| 23:14.42 | Blackgoth | wthell? |
| 23:14.42 | LightKnight | v3nu5: project mutopia and the like? |
| 23:14.53 | Guerin | Quintin: no. Use dmix, or if you need extra features, use jackd |
| 23:15.20 | Guerin | Quintin: esd and arts are like the three-stage automatic transmission of sound multiplexing |
| 23:15.21 | LightKnight | v3nu5: http://www.mutopiaproject.org/ |
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| 23:15.43 | Quintin | Guerin: I don't know much about sound on unix / linux, but doing mixing stuff in hardware when I have an expensive sound board just seemed kind of silly |
| 23:15.56 | Guerin | Quintin: what sound card? |
| 23:15.59 | tralala | fasta, I couldn't find anything really cool about it. It would be a torture for everyday use |
| 23:16.09 | stoned | expensive doesnt' mean anything |
| 23:16.11 | Quintin | Guerin: audigy2, CA0106 |
| 23:16.14 | fasta | tralala: I agree |
| 23:16.20 | Rodger | guerin: I check my pc and there is no mbr protection |
| 23:16.25 | Rodger | in the bios |
| 23:16.26 | stoned | people have paid more than a soundcards worth for utter shit |
| 23:16.38 | LightKnight | v3nu5: also http://www.google.com/Top/Arts/Music/Resources/Downloadable_Music_Sheets/Public_Domain/ :-) |
| 23:16.53 | Quintin | tralala: I find beryl increases my productivity incredibly |
| 23:17.07 | Guerin | Rodger: cool. Boot the install disk, and when it gives you your first optin, hit ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 23:17.12 | stoned | it sucks |
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| 23:17.40 | Quintin | stoned: what is 'it'? |
| 23:17.40 | stoned | people used to dream of having computers like the ones in movies |
| 23:17.42 | stoned | once up on a ime |
| 23:17.47 | tralala | Quintin, I wonder how low your productivity is in order to be increased and not decreased by beryl |
| 23:17.50 | Guerin | stoned: like the one in jurassic park |
| 23:17.55 | stoned | oh man my computer looks all scifi like techi and stuff |
| 23:18.00 | stoned | Guerin: hell no |
| 23:18.05 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 23:18.13 | Quintin | tralala: The task switching options in beryl are way better than anything else. you'd have to be blind not to see that. |
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| 23:18.26 | Rodger | guerin: it asks me to either hist f1 for help or enter to boot |
| 23:18.30 | stoned | Quintin: I use beryl and I don't use tasbars |
| 23:18.33 | Quintin | Rodger: boot |
| 23:18.36 | stoned | or kb shortcuts |
| 23:18.46 | Guerin | Rodger: yes, enter to boot |
| 23:18.56 | Quintin | stoned: yea, I got rid of my taskbar too |
| 23:19.05 | amphi | stoned: beryl standalone? |
| 23:19.17 | stoned | huh |
| 23:19.18 | tralala | Quintin, well if your job is task switching I can see how it can be improved |
| 23:19.31 | Rodger | guerin: now I am with a shell prompt |
| 23:19.39 | Rodger | it is busybox 1.1.3 |
| 23:19.42 | Quintin | tralala: I find your incredibly narrow view a sign of a rather limited intelligence |
| 23:19.56 | stoned | I run xfce + beryl |
| 23:20.00 | tralala | hehe |
| 23:20.08 | tralala | users |
| 23:20.11 | Guerin | Rodger: the way it should be. |
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| 23:20.23 | Rodger | guerin: now what is next? |
| 23:20.24 | blackbart | tralala what do you run? |
| 23:20.32 | Quintin | tralala: an example, I was working on a website the other day. I had 2 terminals with vim open, multiple file manager windows open, and a graphics editor and some other things. switching between these was much quicker and easier using beryl than it would be using metacity |
| 23:20.33 | blackbart | I use ratpoison :) |
| 23:20.40 | Guerin | Rodger: now, how many debian partitions did you make during install? One for /boot and one for /? or just one for /? |
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| 23:20.42 | stoned | middle click is set to display windowlist popup menu on desktop by default, while right click is xfce menu. left click is nothing. it messes up beryl cuz beryl uses middle click for cube rotation |
| 23:20.47 | tralala | blackbart, right now evilwm |
| 23:20.55 | stoned | that caused me shit for a while |
| 23:20.58 | Guerin | evilwm > ratpoison |
| 23:21.11 | illo | stoned i tried xfce with beryl, couldn't figure out how to have truly transparent terminal windows, is it fixed now? |
| 23:21.12 | stoned | so I just hacked xfce and made left click into the windowlist popup for task switching |
| 23:21.18 | Rodger | Guerin: I believe it is just one for / |
| 23:21.19 | stoned | illo: yes |
| 23:21.31 | jelly-home | cube only stacks desktops in one dimension, which is sucky |
| 23:21.32 | Quintin | illo: you can always use gnome-terminal... |
| 23:21.35 | amphi | stoned: I find the plane better than the cube |
| 23:21.36 | tralala | Quintin, having vim opened more than once is lame |
| 23:21.45 | Rodger | Guerin: I have only one partition for debian |
| 23:21.47 | illo | stoned cool, so gnome terminal works? i'll try it |
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| 23:21.57 | Guerin | Rodger: good. do you remember what device it was? (something like /dev/hdb2 or something) |
| 23:21.57 | Rodger | Guerin: that is why I didn't have a swap |
| 23:22.01 | Quintin | tralala: you are obviously clueless, so I'm not going to debate this further. beryl and its kind are the future of UI |
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| 23:22.08 | stoned | illo: dunno about gnome terminal, but I can make any widow as transparent as i want |
| 23:22.11 | Rodger | guerin: it was /dev/hda5 |
| 23:22.17 | stoned | jelly-home: I did |
| 23:22.22 | nvz | theres high class moron for you.. I got so much resources I'd like to waste them on a transparent window |
| 23:22.37 | jelly-home | stoned: 2d XxY desktops? |
| 23:22.41 | stoned | jelly-home: back in 1994 I got a copy of caligari truespace and a 10$ book it came with |
| 23:22.47 | Quintin | stoned: what is the command to change opacity? I forget |
| 23:22.49 | nvz | I mean this terminal I am using is psuedo-transparent but that really wastes no more resources than being opaque |
| 23:22.51 | Guerin | Rodger: type: mount -o rw -t ext2 /dev/hda5 /target |
| 23:22.52 | stoned | jelly-home: 3d modelling rendering animation |
| 23:23.01 | jelly-home | stoned: ah :-) |
| 23:23.04 | Guerin | Rodger: it should return you to a prompt\ |
| 23:23.08 | stoned | jelly-home: I made taurus and cube and space ships, bumpmapped em |
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| 23:23.21 | Rodger | guerin: should I use ext3 instead, because that is what I chose? |
| 23:23.29 | Guerin | Rodger: if you like. |
| 23:23.30 | stoned | jelly-home: that was my first into to 3d stuff on computers, I was almost like whoah! |
| 23:23.40 | tralala | Quintin, I won't be surprised if you use vim in easy mode |
| 23:23.41 | Guerin | Rodger: 9they're compatible) |
| 23:23.48 | Guerin | tralala: haha |
| 23:23.48 | stoned | Quintin: I dunno |
| 23:23.51 | Guerin | tralala: the burn! |
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| 23:23.58 | jelly-home | stoned: I didn't thin to just blow a hole in a cube, but make the compiz/beryl cube thing capable on stacking desktops in horiz and vert dimensions |
| 23:24.05 | jelly-home | *think |
| 23:24.15 | stoned | would be nice yes |
| 23:24.16 | tralala | Guerin, naughty, wasn't it :) |
| 23:24.32 | stoned | Quintin: right click titlebar and go to appearance > opacity > |
| 23:24.32 | Quintin | tralala: I use it in whatever it came with as default. |
| 23:24.48 | jelly-home | stoned: I'm using 3x3 desktops in xfce and can't live without it ;-) |
| 23:25.17 | stoned | jelly-home: I've got 4*1 desktops and 3200x1200 res |
| 23:25.27 | Guerin | i just have a single desktop |
| 23:25.32 | Quintin | stoned: 2 monitors? |
| 23:25.32 | Guerin | well, i have more, but I never use them |
| 23:25.39 | Guerin | i don't mind switching between focus |
| 23:25.50 | stoned | http://youfuck.mypets.ws/screenshots/kde.jpg |
| 23:25.51 | tralala | Quintin, I shouldn't really do it because you're trying to be offensive, but I'll help you anyways - :he buffers |
| 23:26.30 | jelly-home | Guerin: I like having different tasks on different workspaces. Some(most) tasks have multiple windows/apps. |
| 23:26.57 | Quintin | tralala: eh? |
| 23:27.11 | stoned | Quintin is a potty mouth |
| 23:27.11 | Quintin | tralala: make that work with two different machines |
| 23:27.16 | Guerin | jelly-home: yeah, well, my workflow consists of terminals, screen, firefox and pdf viewers |
| 23:27.55 | stoned | I sell lingerie |
| 23:28.03 | illo | Guerin, and irc window ? :) |
| 23:28.15 | Quintin | stoned: I trust that you legally own those Seinfeld episodes! |
| 23:28.19 | tralala | THE irc window! |
| 23:28.19 | Guerin | illo: terminal |
| 23:28.33 | stoned | Quintin: you can trust all you want |
| 23:28.47 | illo | Guerin, no irc client? ok ok |
| 23:28.50 | dvs | stoned: as long as you don't "display" the ligerie. ;-) |
| 23:28.54 | Quintin | stoned: I really hate KDE. I hate GNOME too. they're both just... not right. still better than using the alternatives |
| 23:29.04 | jelly-home | Guerin: I have Opera and rdesktop in addition (and the required irc + music player workspace + crap links (urls pasted on irc)) |
| 23:29.05 | Guerin | illo: an irc client in a terminal. As Bog intended. |
| 23:29.07 | stoned | bah |
| 23:29.10 | Guerin | eew, opera |
| 23:29.12 | stoned | Qt > * |
| 23:29.18 | frankr | What debian package can I find mysql C headers in |
| 23:29.25 | Guerin | frankr: mysql-dev |
| 23:29.26 | tralala | !start a wm war |
| 23:29.26 | dpkg | CDE bites! |
| 23:29.29 | jelly-home | Opera less than 3 |
| 23:29.30 | stoned | !tell frankr -about search |
| 23:29.35 | jelly-home | <3 |
| 23:29.39 | geo-rge | I'd sooner listen to C&W than most opera... |
| 23:29.48 | stoned | opera is useless |
| 23:29.48 | illo | guerin, sorry meant no irc client with his own GUI. xchat like |
| 23:29.55 | Guerin | but not the browser |
| 23:30.07 | stoned | c&w? |
| 23:30.09 | Guerin | illo: fuck no, why would I need a gui for a text-only medium? |
| 23:30.16 | Guerin | stoned: country & Wester? |
| 23:30.17 | Guerin | n |
| 23:30.19 | geo-rge | but now Bowser?! |
| 23:30.20 | stoned | ugh! |
| 23:30.20 | frankr | E: Couldn't find package mysql-dev |
| 23:30.22 | dvs | Guerin: acky breaky opera? |
| 23:30.22 | jelly-home | frank: libmysqlclient15-dev |
| 23:30.31 | piper69 | am back |
| 23:30.33 | jelly-home | frank: apt-cache search mysql dev |
| 23:30.39 | stoned | country and western man |
| 23:30.44 | stoned | I can't stand country music |
| 23:30.48 | illo | Guerin, it's nicer. But an irc in terminal is more stealthy if boss is around :) |
| 23:30.48 | Quintin | frankr: irssi ftw |
| 23:30.50 | Guerin | stoned: don't knock the Tennessee Three, chet atkins, etc. until you've heard them - you owe a lot of your shred to the oldies. |
| 23:30.58 | Quintin | illo: pfft |
| 23:30.59 | Guerin | dvs: yech |
| 23:31.03 | dvs | heh |
| 23:31.39 | Azar | Debian news : Looking for new release assistants |
| 23:31.39 | geo-rge | illo: and irc in screen in a terminal is relly gud |
| 23:31.43 | Guerin | stoned: get a copy of RL Burnside's `Mr Wizard' for some fierce slide action |
| 23:32.00 | stoned | la de da, my cat let me for a truck, I'm so lonely, cuz my wife ran away with the other truck |
| 23:32.01 | Guerin | (though that's not c&w) |
| 23:32.06 | tralala | illo, it ain't nicer, I'm yet to see a gui irc that's useful |
| 23:32.16 | piper69 | what is gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 |
| 23:32.24 | geo-rge | stoned: Play it backwards! |
| 23:32.25 | Azar | mister stoned... how is going? |
| 23:32.26 | stoned | oh my heart, my achy breaky heart |
| 23:32.32 | Guerin | piper69: a command tyou would run to add that key |
| 23:32.32 | stoned | Azar: my main man whats up |
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| 23:32.54 | Quintin | Azar: what does that entail? |
| 23:32.54 | Azar | stoned: not much hanging with Guerin late every night in here.. |
| 23:32.55 | piper69 | Guerin: so i will paste it as it is in the terminal |
| 23:33.00 | stoned | yeh |
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| 23:33.12 | stoned | don't let him rub off on ya, or you'll become a tool |
| 23:33.13 | omri | finally I got rid of ubuntu on my workstation :P got debian etch over here :] |
| 23:33.13 | stoned | ;) |
| 23:33.14 | Guerin | Rodger: ? |
| 23:33.27 | dvs | !beer omri |
| 23:33.35 | Azar | Quintin: is for debian developers who want to assist for Lenny release |
| 23:33.45 | omri | dvs, I'm more of a Vodka kind of guy :) |
| 23:33.46 | stoned | batty boy :) |
| 23:33.49 | omri | !vodka omri |
| 23:33.49 | geo-rge | piper69: read gpg man page and other docs to determine what that command with those options do... then decide if it is useful |
| 23:33.53 | dvs | omri: da? |
| 23:33.55 | Guerin | stoned: bwoy! |
| 23:33.59 | omri | niet :P |
| 23:33.59 | stoned | hehe |
| 23:33.59 | tralala | omri, another lost soul has found the way! |
| 23:34.07 | geo-rge | THAT is the path to guruhood |
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| 23:34.22 | omri | tralala, heh, I've found my way long time ago, I just didn't have the time\mind to install debian :P |
| 23:34.22 | piper69 | stoned: when i did that i got text like this all over the screen ½ÔùA⎽├␊⎼␋⎽┐:/⎺└␊/▒␋±␊⎼# |
| 23:34.30 | Azar | hmmm I might have a very last beer bottle still in the fridge.. |
| 23:34.31 | omri | more of time to backup my stuff :P |
| 23:34.39 | omri | Ubuntu was just... HEAVY |
| 23:34.56 | stoned | ubuntu is like the fat lady singing |
| 23:35.06 | stoned | as soon as you use it, you're done with it. |
| 23:35.12 | dvs | stoned: please! no more opera! |
| 23:35.15 | tralala | ubuntu is just... well take everything that's good about debian, remove it and you have ubuntu |
| 23:35.16 | geo-rge | piper69: you might have needed to either redirect that to a file, or else pipe it to another command... or both (with tee) |
| 23:35.20 | stoned | heh |
| 23:35.52 | Quintin | uhm |
| 23:35.56 | Quintin | ubuntu is rather nice |
| 23:36.07 | dvs | !lart Quintin |
| 23:36.08 | stoned | ubuntu is the xp of linux |
| 23:36.15 | Quintin | no |
| 23:36.16 | tralala | I wouldn't expect anything else from a beryl user |
| 23:36.17 | Guerin | wtf |
| 23:36.20 | dvs | stoned: no, the vista of linux |
| 23:36.25 | stoned | or that |
| 23:36.26 | geo-rge | that would be an off topic statement (as well as the one that trolled you to say that :) |
| 23:36.27 | Arwen | stoned, FAIL |
| 23:36.28 | Quintin | I would say that is suse, or linuxxp or lindows |
| 23:36.28 | stoned | doesn't matter |
| 23:36.30 | stoned | all MS is shit anyway |
| 23:36.32 | Guerin | i can't believe people still bite on ubuntu trolls |
| 23:36.33 | MangosDebian | stoned: then whats the vista of linux? |
| 23:36.39 | Azar | bah man not a very attractive request: http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2809 |
| 23:37.28 | Azar | I take it the new DD leader will not have more chance with a new release than AT |
| 23:37.34 | Quintin | stoned: not true. MS makes good products. I wouldn't say any version of windows is one of those good products though |
| 23:37.38 | omri | I recall seeing a command to install some basic tools after debootstrap installation (it installed less amond other); what is that command? |
| 23:37.51 | omri | after a fresh debian netinstall (as desktop) I don't have the 'less' tool |
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| 23:38.02 | omri | (don't tell me to apt-get install less) |
| 23:38.04 | Azar | Quintin: I beg to differ |
| 23:38.06 | jelly-home | Quintin: 2003 is nice enough. I heard 2k was decent too |
| 23:38.07 | Quintin | omri: aptitude install less |
| 23:38.08 | tralala | !trollgong |
| 23:38.14 | tralala | !troll gong |
| 23:38.14 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
| 23:38.17 | omri | Quintin, I just said not to tell me that ;] |
| 23:38.23 | Quintin | omri: I didn't! |
| 23:38.28 | dvs | omri: no, you said apt-get |
| 23:38.36 | omri | heh |
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| 23:39.01 | olskolirc | please tell me my font isn't pink |
| 23:39.04 | stoned | aptitude installs more |
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| 23:39.43 | jelly-home | olskolirc: the font isn't, but the characters on the screen in that font may well be |
| 23:39.45 | amphi | olskolirc: your nick is magenta here ;) |
| 23:39.45 | tralala | olskolirc, don't worry we're not aggresive to gays |
| 23:40.05 | jelly-home | !gaaaaaaaaay |
| 23:40.11 | olskolirc | im a girl :-) |
| 23:40.20 | jelly-home | olskolirc: suure |
| 23:40.24 | tralala | impossible |
| 23:40.32 | geo-rge | barely possible |
| 23:40.38 | illo | not on #debian |
| 23:40.50 | olskolirc | black now? |
| 23:40.51 | geo-rge | also barely possible |
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| 23:41.13 | stoned | legal |
| 23:41.15 | tralala | olskolirc, most of the people here use color agnostic clients |
| 23:41.21 | geo-rge | but I digress, it doesn't matter :) |
| 23:41.27 | piper69 | apt-cache search debian-multimedia.etch return nothing |
| 23:41.27 | stoned | I like to colorify irssi |
| 23:41.38 | stoned | !dmm |
| 23:41.39 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 23:41.42 | tralala | stoned, you also like to use beryl |
| 23:41.51 | stoned | tralala: ehh sometimes |
| 23:42.01 | olskolirc | ok everyone has a black background or a dark background right? |
| 23:42.03 | stoned | tralala: usually only when someone comes over |
| 23:42.11 | olskolirc | im using kopete |
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| 23:42.21 | stoned | tralala: these vista using nephews of mine were going apeshit over beryl |
| 23:42.26 | illo | i have a NICE GUI IRC CLIENT so i have no probs with colors :P |
| 23:42.32 | Azar | whoa, stoned still looking for a job? |
| 23:42.35 | Glanzmann | Has anyone the free ati driver for mobility x1400 running (the new one)? |
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| 23:42.39 | tralala | stoned, heh |
| 23:42.41 | stoned | Azar: o yea |
| 23:42.43 | Glanzmann | Are there debian packages for etch? |
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| 23:42.50 | Azar | stoned: bad news: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40526 |
| 23:42.55 | stoned | Azar: dude |
| 23:43.10 | stoned | I'm not gonna click that |
| 23:43.10 | jelly-home | illo: what about unicode chars? |
| 23:43.10 | cafuego | all etch packages are debian packages...? |
| 23:43.10 | Azar | stoned: why not? |
| 23:43.11 | stoned | fuck dude I don't want any bad news, I've had a shitty enough day as it is |
| 23:43.13 | stoned | ;( |
| 23:43.16 | jelly-home | illo: I♥NY |
| 23:43.22 | Azar | stoned: read it |
| 23:43.23 | stoned | jelly-home: you do? |
| 23:43.38 | stoned | Azar: ok, but i hate you |
| 23:43.47 | Azar | stoned: good info there |
| 23:43.55 | stoned | I still hate you :( |
| 23:44.06 | illo | jelly-home, dunno, i'll probably see crap :) |
| 23:44.08 | jelly-home | stoned: not really, have no opinion... but that's the first thing that cmae to mind with an I heart |
| 23:44.09 | piper69 | shouldn't the debian-multimedia install realplayer ? |
| 23:44.33 | Azar | and you know, is true, I remember when I got hired I was picked from all others, more experienced and qualified because I accepted all they ofered me with no negotiation |
| 23:44.42 | stoned | piper69: I don't think so |
| 23:44.46 | piper69 | i followed the instruction from dpkg , but i still can't play realplayer files |
| 23:44.58 | stoned | !tell piper69 -about w32codecs |
| 23:45.09 | jelly-home | piper69: have you installed the realplayer package? |
| 23:45.10 | illo | ??????????? ????? |
| 23:45.27 | illo | something cyrillic there? |
| 23:45.32 | Azar | realplayer sucks man |
| 23:45.34 | jelly-home | illo: just ?????? |
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| 23:45.50 | tralala | |
| 23:45.57 | jelly-home | Azar: it can suck woman as far as I'm concerned |
| 23:46.05 | jelly-home | tralala: still not UTF-8 |
| 23:46.22 | Azar | jelly-home: man, I was believing and even hoping RA went out of business |
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| 23:46.27 | Arwen | lol @ realplayer |
| 23:46.27 | illo | well I guess we have some charset issues. Maybe my locale's fault. Whatever it is :) |
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| 23:46.36 | piper69 | jelly-home: i can't find it and i though that the debian-multimedia.etch steps will do it when i run apt-get update |
| 23:46.36 | tralala | oh, I've got 1251 translation because i use icq from irssi... |
| 23:46.38 | Azar | the worse player ever tried, not even on webtv worked ok |
| 23:46.50 | Arwen | anyway, does debian have ffmpeg anywhere? |
| 23:46.55 | Arwen | and is it *broken*? |
| 23:47.01 | piper69 | jelly-home: where can i find the realplayer package please |
| 23:47.13 | jelly-home | piper69: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of apt-cache policy realplayer |
| 23:47.20 | stoned | Azar: seriously |
| 23:47.22 | Azar | Arwen: request your repositories see if you got it: apt-cache search <package> |
| 23:47.25 | tralala | УТФ-8 |
| 23:47.28 | Azar | stoned: yah man |
| 23:47.29 | stoned | Azar: this is crazy |
| 23:47.32 | Arwen | Azar, I'm running Ubuntu, I can't do that |
| 23:47.33 | jelly-home | tralala: yes! |
| 23:47.35 | illo | Arwen I got ffmpeg under debian multimedia in etch, used it to feed stuff in kino, worked fine, not perfect |
| 23:47.39 | tralala | there you go |
| 23:48.03 | jelly-home | тралала: фуцк йеах! |
| 23:48.08 | Azar | no company want "overqualified" new employees, usually they pick the shy and the hard working over "overskilled" to raise them |
| 23:48.08 | stoned | hey cut that out |
| 23:48.27 | tralala | jelly-home, heh |
| 23:48.35 | Rodger | Guerin: mount failed, it says there is no such directory |
| 23:48.37 | Azar | Arwen: ah well.... then ask the buntu developers man |
| 23:48.51 | Arwen | Azar, ye, but I was specifically asking about Debian |
| 23:48.55 | Arwen | I know the Ubuntu ones are broken |
| 23:48.59 | stoned | عندما يريد العالم أن يتكلّم, فهو يتحدّث بلغة يونيكو |
| 23:49.02 | stoned | hey cool |
| 23:49.04 | stoned | it works |
| 23:49.07 | Arwen | lol, arabic |
| 23:49.08 | stoned | utf8 kicks ass |
| 23:49.24 | Azar | I see nothing but dingbats |
| 23:49.25 | illo | stoned, i see arabic too. So my client is fine |
| 23:49.34 | dvs | Azar: then you see the Arabic |
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| 23:49.52 | stoned | illo: you know what I said? |
| 23:49.53 | jelly-home | stoned: I hope you weren't swearing (or sworing vengeance on enemies of the Prophet or anything) |
| 23:49.59 | Azar | dvs: does not look like arabic looks like whacked fonts |
| 23:50.03 | illo | stoned, i hope you didn't pick anything for al qaida sites. black helicopters do not park easily around here. |
| 23:50.04 | stoned | jelly-home: I most certainly was |
| 23:50.18 | stoned | "When the world wants to talk, it speaks Unicode" |
| 23:50.18 | illo | s/for/from |
| 23:50.24 | stoned | thats what I said |
| 23:50.27 | stoned | hehehe |
| 23:50.30 | stoned | you guys are tools lol |
| 23:50.31 | jelly-home | stoned: my hovercraft is full of eels! |
| 23:50.31 | dvs | yikes! |
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| 23:51.04 | tralala | stoned, say that again |
| 23:51.16 | Azar | stoned: so remember, when you go on interview, look, act and speak like a shy guy if you really want the foot in the door accept what they offer or nominate a "moderate" salary figure |
| 23:51.27 | stoned | tralala: what? garbled up arabic text? |
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| 23:51.35 | tralala | stoned, yep |
| 23:51.41 | Azar | three years down the road you can start asking more |
| 23:51.43 | piper69 | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/31220 |
| 23:51.55 | stoned | عندما يريد العالم أن يتكلّم, فهو يتحدّث بلغة يونيكو |
| 23:51.58 | mickky | hi |
| 23:52.13 | tralala | Azar, three years?! I'm changing jobs sooner than that |
| 23:52.20 | Rodger | guerin: you still there? |
| 23:52.21 | dvs | stoned: bless you. |
| 23:52.25 | stoned | tralala: why did I repeat the arabic thing? |
| 23:52.34 | jelly-home | piper69: dude, you haven't even added the debian-multimedia repositories yet |
| 23:52.35 | Azar | tralala: well..... |
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| 23:52.50 | Azar | I only changed my job one time. That it. I like where I am now |
| 23:52.50 | tralala | stoned, I wanted to see if my irssi settings are messed up or my font doesn't have arabic letters |
| 23:52.56 | piper69 | stoned: i can read what you r posting |
| 23:53.09 | stoned | piper69: *two thumbs up* |
| 23:53.17 | illo | then there is the right to left issue with arabic |
| 23:53.17 | tralala | Azar, lucky you - I'm yet to find a place I like. I guess I'm really picky. |
| 23:53.25 | piper69 | stoned: ;) |
| 23:53.51 | jelly-home | I can't read a thing, only some dots and wigglies (and not aligned to right as they properly should be) |
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| 23:53.54 | dvs | tralala: neither have I |
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| 23:54.24 | Yea10354 | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/ lenny main |
| 23:54.27 | Yea10354 | is this correct ? |
| 23:54.42 | tralala | Yea10354, no - it should say etch |
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| 23:55.00 | geo-rge | that will get you only the free part (all gpl and other free licensed) for lenny which is testing |
| 23:55.06 | Yea10354 | i want lenny |
| 23:55.13 | tralala | you don't |
| 23:55.14 | illo | Yea10354, fag :) |
| 23:55.15 | stoned | !tell Yea10354 -about sources |
| 23:55.17 | piper69 | stoned: enta 3arabi |
| 23:55.20 | mickky | anybody know why my host don't exec /etc/network/if-up.d/myscript on start up???? |
| 23:55.31 | Azar | ok that's it! why Debian Etch is not available at amazon.com? Ubuntu is! |
| 23:55.32 | Yea10354 | is that right for lenny |
| 23:55.35 | Yea10354 | casue its not working |
| 23:55.40 | Azar | wtf |
| 23:55.43 | stoned | Azar: hehe |
| 23:55.50 | stoned | dell + ubuntu |
| 23:55.52 | stoned | :) |
| 23:56.01 | jelly-home | Azar: why should it be? |
| 23:56.20 | LightKnight | Yea10354: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ <whatever> main contrib non-free |
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| 23:56.33 | geo-rge | Yea10354: lenny is not so stable... if you're ok with that AND if you're ok with solving problems YOURSELF (well a lot of them anyway)... AND you have backed up your hd... go for it :) |
| 23:56.34 | LightKnight | missing the "debian/" part :) |
| 23:56.44 | Azar | jelly-home: the only one at amazon is Progeny!!! |
| 23:56.47 | Azar | http://www.amazon.com/Progeny-Debian-Linux-No-Support/dp/B000068GG9/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-1195274-0329562?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1182642951&sr=1-1 |
| 23:56.54 | geo-rge | BUT KNOW you !will! run into problems |
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| 23:57.09 | illo | geo-rge, does lenny get security updates as fast as sid? |
| 23:57.11 | Azar | ok if Debian Progeny is there - even though project has closed, why not Debian Etch? |
| 23:57.26 | geo-rge | sid doesn't get security updates at all |
| 23:57.34 | Azar | jelly-home: cuz I want Debian Etch installer |
| 23:57.37 | geo-rge | bugs are fixed directly |
| 23:57.51 | jelly-home | Azar: so download and burn it |
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| 23:58.08 | jelly-home | Azar: what's the first place you'd look for it? |
| 23:58.11 | Azar | jelly-home: well I can't I am a burning-disabled person |
| 23:58.18 | geo-rge | lenny either does get updates now or will start shortly (if it's going to be as it was before) |
| 23:58.40 | jelly-home | Azar: someone in the local LUG will be glad to assist you |
| 23:58.44 | illo | geo-rge, i meant does lenny gets urgent security fixes like sid or they wait for them to stabilize as the rest of the packages? |
| 23:59.07 | jelly-home | illo: sid doesn't get "urgent" security fixes |
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| 23:59.15 | Azar | jelly-home: from finding how the hell to assign cd-rw to fstab, to how to mount in cd-rw mode, to burning, checking the burn .... |
| 23:59.18 | tralala | illo, sid doesn't get any security fixes, urgent or not |
| 23:59.22 | geo-rge | but if lenny reformats your HD for you... (unlikely but possible) can we point and laugh and say "toldja ;]"? |
| 23:59.34 | Azar | :( |
| 23:59.38 | jelly-home | Azar: you don't need to mount or mess with fstab to burn |
